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Title: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2005, 12:07:03 PM
I think the people at Southwestern have a realistic view of their season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on March 23, 2005, 06:30:10 AM
I have to say that I am impressed at the savvy of the D3hoops.com panel in picking a non-Final Four team as the #3 team in the country (a decision with which I fully agree, natch :-)).  A hearty "well-done" to the team that Pat pulled together.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Weathers on March 23, 2005, 03:13:15 PM
Pat, You are right.  You will have to forgive Ralph Turner for his Texascentric ways.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Weathers on March 23, 2005, 03:15:27 PM
Congrats to Sean Devins (1st Team NABC All-South Region) and Peter Murray (2nd Team NABC All-South Region).  I guess the coaches put a little more credit in winning than the SIDs who seemed to get caught up in voting for big numbers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on March 23, 2005, 08:29:45 PM
C'mon Carl,  
You know you love everything about Texas, especially the basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on March 23, 2005, 09:45:11 PM
I believe the coaches also had the benefit of voting after at least some of the playoffs were underway.  Makes a big difference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Weathers on March 25, 2005, 10:41:35 AM
Noticeed that Hendrix was advertising for an assitant men's basketball coach.  I guess that means that Jason Rhodes has left Hendrix.  Best of luck to Jason.  He is a great guy who worked really hard for his alma mater and did a really good job with the Hendrix team in 03-04 in an impossible situation.  I am sure he will be missed in Conway.  

The older folk around the league will tell you that Jason was a great player as well.  Never saw him play but apparently he had major game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Yan Wesle on March 25, 2005, 10:47:11 AM
why is hendrix so bad???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on March 25, 2005, 11:19:49 AM
This sounds like a troll, but Hendrix is a small school (1100) with high academic standards in a pretty out-of-the way location.  It's pretty deadly combination for recruiting student athletes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Secrease on March 26, 2005, 11:04:20 PM
Coach Rhodes will be missed by both players and their families.  Coach Rhodes entered my son's life during his senior year in high school, attending many of his games which were mostly two hours from Hendrix.  This kept him away from his family and greatly impressed upon ours.  He has had an open phone for anything our family or Matt needs to discuss with him.  He will be truely missed. Hendrix is on the way up and we really hoped Coach Rhodes would continue to be a big part of that.  Matt Secrease ended the season tied for fourth in the nation in 3 point shots in d3 plus ended the season with pretty nice stats in the scac.  He played the last 10 games with a fractured hand which he injured during a game at Rust College.  Coach Rhodes was a big motivating factor in Matt's success this year.  He's going to be hard to replace and be sorely missed.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 13, 2005, 03:40:43 PM
News of importance to SCAC fans on the front page.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on April 13, 2005, 04:56:38 PM
OK, now lets get Wabash back with Depauw in the SCAC - and another thought, did Thomas More blow it by going to the President's?  Wouldnt the SCAC, or the HCAC, or even the NCAC have been a better fit for them?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 13, 2005, 04:59:38 PM
Thomas More wasn't welcome in the HCAC. That's the league they wanted to be in.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 13, 2005, 05:20:04 PM
Thomas More was not 'welcome' because of ... what?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Scott Fendley on April 13, 2005, 06:22:38 PM
No way Wabash goes down south. DePauw would need to go to the NCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 14, 2005, 12:37:51 AM
Thomas More was not 'welcome' because of ... what?

Strong Anglican sympathies in the HCAC leadership, no doubt.

(Why isn't Thomas More's nickname "the Utopians"?)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 14, 2005, 08:40:26 AM
Greg:  

Nice bit of theologico-ecclesiastical humor. Ya gotta be careful of those Anglican sympathies.

[Related issue: Are there any conferences with neo-pagan or Wiccan or Aztec human-sacrifice tendencies?]
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Weathers on April 14, 2005, 09:43:41 AM
So who will the SCAC add?  Austin College?  They definitely would want to leave the ASC but will they put up the money for the travel?  Shake up the travel partners and put Hendrix and AC together.  Rhodes-Millsaps.  Oglethorpe-Sewanee.  Depauw-Centre.  

Can't be Wabash because of the female issue.  Any other candidates anyone can think of?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 14, 2005, 10:12:29 AM
Warren,

I believe you're thinking of the NJAC. :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LGHistorian on April 14, 2005, 10:14:19 AM
Carl-
In reference to Wabash here is a little info. Originally the SCAC commissioner (or spokesperson at that time) wanted BOTH DePauw and Wabash to join the SCAC. Wabash was not interested in the SCAC.
Also, many among the NCAC faithful didn't think it ever possible that Wabash would be allowed to join the conference because of the NCAC's firm stance on gender equality in the athletic department. But it did happen.
I would have to agree with Scott Fendley that Wabash would still not be interested in heading south for quite a few of the same reasons RHIT decided to leave.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 14, 2005, 10:22:01 AM
Pat:

I forgot about the NJAC ... how silly of me. And, of
course, the MAC frequently practices cannibalism and self-immolation.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on April 14, 2005, 10:36:56 AM
My money would be on the SCAC pursuing AC, a much better fit for them given school size and academics.  AC did just successfully complete a $120M fundraising drive, though whether they would want to spend any of that on athletics is another story.  

The possibility of DPU leaving the conference does have to be a concern.  It would not surprise me to see the conference try to find someone to partner with them if AC doesn't join.  DPU is the only school besides Trinity to win the President's Trophy in the last ten years.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 15, 2005, 12:53:55 AM
Why wouldn't the SCAC take the U. of Dallas instead of Austin? Dallas is already an independent, having left the ASC a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2005, 01:22:41 AM
Gregory, actually UDallas fields more athletic teams than Austin College does.

UDallas (13): M&W Hoops/Soccer/T&F/X-country/Baseball-Softball plus Men's Golf and Women's Volleyball plus the UDallas site mentions a women's Lacrosse team in 2004.  M&W Tennis did not compete this year.

AC (11): M&W Hoops/Soccer/Tennis/Swimming plus Volleyball/Football/Baseball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Weathers on April 15, 2005, 09:28:16 AM
The SCAC needs to add a football school otherwise the conference will lose its automatic bid.  That rules Dallas out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on April 15, 2005, 09:44:50 AM
What he said.  UD would be a good add and a great travel partner for AC, but by themselves they don't give the SCAC what it needs.   I don't see the SCAC adding two schools if only RHIT leaves.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordo on May 25, 2005, 02:08:17 PM
Does anybody know how the teams are doing with recruiting?  And how are the teams shaping up for next season?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 27, 2005, 12:47:41 AM
I thought that Pat was quite magnanimous on the front page.:-)

He mentioned a road trip for AC to Memphis, instead of Danville, KY or Sewanee, TN or even Atlanta.

Shucks, the trip to Pineville was just a float down the Red River.:-)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordo on June 21, 2005, 09:11:25 AM
Looking through the team websites and SCAC homepage, it looks like Southwestern should be a run-away favorite to win it this year.  The Pirates are only losing one guy that came off the bench, and Cates, Bowser, and Little are all back.  What do ya'll think?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Weathers on June 21, 2005, 10:16:10 PM
I think that Southwestern will be very good.  Talented and experienced.  

Hopefully internet research of team and SCAC websites won't get in the way of players working on their game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: I'm a lama on June 22, 2005, 08:26:29 AM
Carl,
It's a good thing for Lynchburg then that I don't play basketball!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordo on June 22, 2005, 09:22:42 AM
You got me.  I was hoping someone would talk here.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on June 30, 2005, 09:50:36 AM
There's generally not a whole lot of discussion on the SCAC board in the offseason.  Not much  during the season, either, but it is better then.  

The women's board is even worse; the year Trinity won the championship I think there were all of three of us posting over there.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WarriorBasketball on July 08, 2005, 01:12:52 PM
Hendrix is returning with seniors JJ Jaramillo and Anthony Walker.  Big man Peter Curby, a junior who has been sidelined with an injury since mid freshman year, will be back along with Matt Secrease and Drew George.  Sophomores Michael Bennett, William Knapp, and Clay Lindberg will be joined by three recruits from Texas, two recruits from Arkansas and one recruit from Arizona.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WarriorBasketball on August 07, 2005, 09:53:02 PM
Slow board this summer.  Guess it always is.  Coach Priest-Hendrix-just announced an added exhibition game November 8th against division 1 Louisiana Monroe University.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on August 21, 2005, 06:09:54 PM
I am anxious to see how this year's edition of Rose-Hulman Basketball will look.

With the loss of two starters (Jason Ludwig and Phillip Griffith) and two key bench players (Evan Ballinger and Mike Cusic), the Engineers will undoubtably rely heavily on guard Munchie Muskeyvalley (6-0, Sr.) to carry the scoring load. Muskeyvalley averaged 12.3 PPG and 4.5 APG for an Engineer team that finished a disapointing 12-14 overall, including a 6-8 mark in the SCAC last season.

Also returning are starter Brian Bibb (6-6, Sr.) and part-time starter's Brennan Dunnville (6-7, Sr.) and Jason Bednarko (6-2, Jr.). Those, along with Ron George (6-3, Soph.) appear to be the starting five on paper coming into 2005-2006. However, that lineup could get a boost should returning starter Kareem Lee (6-3, Sr.) decide to come out for the team this season, as rumors were wild after the final game of 04-05', a 66-61 loss against Centre in the SCAC Tournament, that Lee would not return for 05'-06'.

With no significant incoming recruits to speak of at this point, the Engineers will also need solid contributions from the likes of David Yarachefski (6-6, Jr.), Everett Gilmore (6-1, Soph.), and Devin Cook (6-8, Jr.) off the bench. The latter if his knee can hold up.

The Engineers tip-off the 2004-2005 campaign Sat, Nov. 19th in Chicago, Illinois against Denison University at the U. of Chicago Tip-Off Tournament.

I would love to hear some other preview-type posts about the other SCAC teams!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on August 22, 2005, 12:18:04 AM
Interesting post on Rose-Hulman.  They lost some really good players.  Griffith was tough in the post and Ludwig, with the exception of his mono season his sophomore year, was nice.  Cusic was a big contributor over the years and I always have liked Ballinger.  His ability to make shots made him dangerous. 

Crazy to think Bibb and Dunnville are seniors already.  I think both are talented.

The big question is can Munchie will this team to win?  Or maybe it is that Munchie should stop trying to will the team to win and not try so hard to influence the game.  Can he pick the right times to assert himself on the game? 

RHIT has outstanding coaching and they are almost always in the mix.  Last year was the exception.  The conference tournament format has not been good to them.  Maybe this team can change that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on August 22, 2005, 02:48:36 AM
Quote from: carlweathers on August 22, 2005, 12:18:04 AM
Interesting post on Rose-Hulman.  They lost some really good players.  Griffith was tough in the post and Ludwig, with the exception of his mono season his sophomore year, was nice.  Cusic was a big contributor over the years and I always have liked Ballinger.  His ability to make shots made him dangerous.

It will definitely be interesting to see how the Engineers rebound from those losses. That is alot of scoring and minutes to make up. If Dunnville can become the inside post presence that we saw from Griffith, the post won't miss a beat. That remains to be seen.

Ludwing, IMO, will be the hardest player to replace. He was a slasher who was always able to find a way to get the ball in the hoop. A very reliable player who ate up minutes and could be counted on when the game was on the line. Hopefully, Jason Bednarko can step up this season and fill the scoring void from the perimeter that was left void by the former Effingham St. Anthony (Illinois)  star's departure.

QuoteThe big question is can Munchie will this team to win?  Or maybe it is that Munchie should stop trying to will the team to win and not try so hard to influence the game.  Can he pick the right times to assert himself on the game?

Muskeyvalley is a very talented player. He has the ability to take over a game and can score in bunches. However, as you mentioned, he often gets into a situation where he forces some things and it leads to turnovers. If he can become a part of a more team oriented offense and the Engineers can play together as one unit, they will win alot of games. Though they lost alot, I still feel they have a team that can compete in the SCAC. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on August 22, 2005, 02:51:19 AM
Quote from: gordo on May 25, 2005, 02:08:17 PM
Does anybody know how the teams are doing with recruiting?  And how are the teams shaping up for next season?

Excellent question.

Would love to hear about what the SCAC schools have coming, in terms of new recruits.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on August 23, 2005, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: rosebasketball on August 22, 2005, 02:51:19 AM


Would love to hear about what the SCAC schools have coming, in terms of new recruits.



Trinity has added a very good transfer from the UAA.  Another experienced player will be a major asset on a team that lost four great players. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on September 03, 2005, 02:32:09 PM
Hendrix recently hired a new assistant to replace Jason Rhoades.  Thad McCracken joins the Warriors.  The former player from Hanover most recent job was as assistant at Transylvania University in Kentucky.  Anyone have any info on Coach McCracken?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on September 04, 2005, 08:05:20 PM
Rose Tidbit:

Rose-Hulman's December 30th contest against Tri-State University has been moved to Canseco Fieldhouse.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on September 05, 2005, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: warriorfan on September 03, 2005, 02:32:09 PM
Hendrix recently hired a new assistant to replace Jason Rhoades.  Thad McCracken joins the Warriors.  The former player from Hanover most recent job was as assistant at Transylvania University in Kentucky.  Anyone have any info on Coach McCracken?

I have some info.  There is no way that is a real name. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madison on September 06, 2005, 12:10:37 AM
Carl,

What can you tell us about Thad McCracken?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on September 06, 2005, 09:00:55 AM
Sorry.  I guess my previous post should have read "I have some info, there is no way that is a real name."
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: retired52 on September 16, 2005, 03:35:45 PM
Well, you farts are starting to make me feel old....  I am having a little girl in January, aqnd found a grey hair in my head this morning....

Whats the scoop?

Congrats to Chris hill... Trinity University's new Assistant Coach.  Hill played at Trinity when I was there a few years back and brings passion and energy and will be a good compliment to Coach Cunningham.... dont know if mason and drew are still going to be there.....

Anyhow, lets start talking smack.....  Who is gonna get second place this year behind Trinity???

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on September 18, 2005, 11:47:24 AM
Too bad this bad boy doesn't play music-----cause the theme song to The Jefferson's would be playing.  "Movin' on up, to the top...."  Let's go Warriors!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on September 18, 2005, 04:09:18 PM
Optimism out of the Hendrix camp.  That is good to see.  It will be interesting to see if there is enough talent there this year to compete in the league and qualify for the conference tournament.  I wonder if they may still struggle to make the tourney?  The battle to make the conference tourney will be tight because outside of Hendrix there is nobody that would appear to be an obvious 9th place team. 

Brutus is having a baby? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on September 18, 2005, 05:25:12 PM
We did lose a lot of games last year but we were a scrappy bunch!  You have to admit, our record was much better than the previous year. We're movin on up.....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on September 19, 2005, 06:50:25 AM
There is no doubt that Hendrix was improved and will continue to improve this year.  But, they were still 4 games behind the 9th place team and 5 behind the last tournament spot.  That is a lot of ground to make up considering those teams at the bottom will probably only get better.  My point is that while Hendrix is headed in the right direction and will win more games than last year, they still may not be ready to "move on up" in the standings. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on September 19, 2005, 06:28:39 PM
As long as we are moving in the right direction, I'm satisfied.  That first year was horrible.  It was hard to go from a high school that won the state championship and to be MVP and then go on to a college team that didn't win a single game during the freshman year.  Like I said, as long as we have a better year than the previous one, we are ok in my book.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on September 28, 2005, 01:39:08 AM
I know open gym has started for most teams in preperation of the upcoming season. Any early thoughts or comments on how each team is looking?

Any injuries or news to report?

Let's get this forum jumping. The season's almost here!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on September 28, 2005, 11:31:14 AM
Apparently the SCAC is putting together 15th anniversary teams for all sports.  The cross country team just came out so we can assume basketball will be coming out during the winter.   Not sure what the format will be i.e. top 5, 10, or 15 players or whether it will be first team, second team, etc. 

Who are we going to see on the team?  The first two players that come to mind are Ryan Harrigan (Sewanee) and Bryan Egli (Rose-Hulman).  Those guys have to be locks.  Egli only played one season in the SCAC but I still have him as a lock. 

Who else? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on September 29, 2005, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: carlweathers on September 28, 2005, 11:31:14 AM
Apparently the SCAC is putting together 15th anniversary teams for all sports.  The cross country team just came out so we can assume basketball will be coming out during the winter.   Not sure what the format will be i.e. top 5, 10, or 15 players or whether it will be first team, second team, etc. 

Who are we going to see on the team?  The first two players that come to mind are Ryan Harrigan (Sewanee) and Bryan Egli (Rose-Hulman).  Those guys have to be locks.  Egli only played one season in the SCAC but I still have him as a lock. 

Who else? 

In my opinion, a lock on the club has to be.......

Russ Churchwell, Ogelthorpe

1,894 Career Points
894 Career Rebounds

All-Time Leader in both categories





Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on October 02, 2005, 09:54:01 AM
Just saw where Rhodes is going to play an exhibition with Arkansas State University.  Hendrix is playing theirs with Louisiana Monroe.  What other d3 vs d1 games are going on with the SCAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 05, 2005, 01:10:13 PM
Carl,
Yes, we are doing 15th anniversary teams for basketball as well...I imagine will be released sometime in November/December.

Team will be composed of 4 guards, 4 forwards, 2 center/posts, and then the next two highest vote getters that didn't make the top 10 - any position - for a total of 12 players on the team.

The one requirement for consideration on the team is two years as an all-conference honoree - so unfortunately, Egli isn't eligible.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on October 05, 2005, 02:25:42 PM
Who will be voting? 

Seems crazy to have the two years as an all-conference honoree stipulation, at least in the case of Egli.  He probably had the single most impressive season in SCAC history and his team won the conference by 3 games. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 05, 2005, 06:38:54 PM
Carl,
Current coaches, ADs and SIDs from each school make up the voting pool. I agree - Egli was a very good player, but the two-year rule was put in for every sport, not just basketball.

This is a huge undertaking and in lieu of going through another step and asking for nominations from each school, putting in the 2-year all-SCAC rule helps to keep the list of potential honorees more managable for those voting.

Right or wrong, we also use a 2-year minimum for placement in the SCAC Record Book as for any career marks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 10, 2005, 10:16:04 PM
Not much word out of the Millsaps' basketball camp.
I'll be down in Jackson this weekend and will visit with Coach Wise.  The Majors are apparently doing a Midnight Madness deal on Friday night.

I do know that the Majors are still very young.  Last year's team was comprised of just Juniors and Freshmen.  This year's squad will have Freshmen, Sophomores, and Seniors. 

I haven't seen a roster yet, but the Majors have to get some size.  They play up tempo defense, and they can beat you when they are hot from the perimeter.....but they have had no inside presence in two years. 

With regard to All SCAC picks from Millsaps, I would submit Daniel Waguespack (class of 2002), Thomas Adams (class of 2003), John Garber (class of 1997), and Philip Robinson (class of 1995).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2005, 04:20:53 PM
I was at the Millsaps Midnight Madness and I don't know if you can tell too much from a 40 minute intrasquad game.  Virtually everyone is back from last year since there were no seniors on the 2004-05 team.  The three players that  didn't return were the three who played the most at the post position but it looks like they have been replaced with a solid crew of big men.  It was hard to get a read on the new players during the scrimmage.  I think Millsaps is going to scrimmage Mississippi College next week and that will be far more revealing.

Millsaps will be loaded up at the guard position--same cast as last year, just with an extra year of experience and a few newcomers to provide even more depth.  I'm guessing that pressing, running the court and 3-point shots will all play heavily in this year's game plan.

My impression is that this year's team will be much improved over last year's team since it is basically the same team with a year's worth of experience and maybe a surprise or two from the new players.  I think they have a lot of similarities to the Millsaps teams from 1995 and 2001.  Both of those teams won the league championship after struggling through a losing season the previous year with talented but inexperienced players.  We'll know in a few months if this group of players can do the same.

For those who are interested, here's a link to a Millsaps sports photo website and you can find photos from the Midnight Madness under the Men's Basketball team: 

http://photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 29, 2005, 01:21:30 PM
As is the norm, not much is going on with the SCAC board.  I watched the Mississippi College-Millsaps scrimmage yesterday and I didn't come away with a lot of info on either team.  They played 3 20-minute periods with a liberal amount of subbing by each team so you couldn't get a feel of how the teams would match up in a real game.

As for MC's high ranking, I think that D3 Hoops has them at 21 which seems more realistic than those who have them in the top 5.  MC has talent and tremendous depth but I don't know if they have the one or two outstanding players that you usually see on a top 5 team.

Millsaps definitely has some new players who will help and they seem to be more balanced this season on the offensive end.  I won't be surprised if they get a consistent 30-35 points per game from the 4 and 5 spot along with an equal amount from the 1, 2 and 3 positions combined.  They had a lot of 3 point shooters last year and it looks like they had added more this year but the key will be keeping the big men healthy and out of foul trouble.  With the lack of depth and experience at the 4 and 5 positions, they just can't afford an injury or a player having to sit for long stretches of a game.

You can click on the link in my previous post to get to photos of the MC-Millsaps scrimmage.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach C on November 02, 2005, 09:14:42 AM
Frank -

Just about everyone is thin at the 4-5 spots, so Millsaps is not that different then most teams I see all over the country.  if you have 3 guys who can contribute at those positions, you are really doing well in my opinion.

C
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 03, 2005, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: Coach C on November 02, 2005, 09:14:42 AM
Frank -
Just about everyone is thin at the 4-5 spots, so Millsaps is not that different then most teams I see all over the country.  if you have 3 guys who can contribute at those positions, you are really doing well in my opinion.

I count 4 on Depauw's roster. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 04, 2005, 12:09:57 PM
Hendrix will be in the mix this year, if their two scrimmages are any indication.  They beat Williams Baptist in the first scrimmage by 12 and hung hard and fast with University of Central Arkansas (d2 last year, d1 this year) loosing by 13.  It was a totally different look from years past.  Coach Priest was up and at em the whole time and there were actually players filling the bench--I believe we had 14 total.  Some of you may remember last year when we only had about three or four extra players!  I heard that we have a transfer from UCA and a transfer from Rhodes as well as a D1 transfer. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2005, 08:23:11 AM
Warrior Fan, I believe that UCA is still D2, participating in the Gulf South Conference.

http://www.uca.edu/uca/athletics.php
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopnation on November 05, 2005, 09:58:07 AM
Trinity has two scrimmages this coming week: Texas Luthren and Mary Hardin-Baylor.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 05, 2005, 12:50:10 PM
Rose-Hulman will scrimmage against Wash. U (Nov. 6th) and Wabash (Nov. 13th).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 05, 2005, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2005, 08:23:11 AM
Warrior Fan, I believe that UCA is still D2, participating in the Gulf South Conference.

http://www.uca.edu/uca/athletics.php

They are in the process of becoming D1.  I'm not sure how all of that works.  That's the talk around here and it has been discussed in the paper. 

Hendrix will be traveling to Monroe, La to get a spanking Tuesday night.  I know teams and players get better by playing up, but what does as D1 team get by playing down?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 09, 2005, 06:11:11 PM
2005-06 SCAC Men's Preseason Predicted Order of Finish posted at:

http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 09, 2005, 06:28:35 PM
Thanks, Sid.

Rose-Hulman should be an interesting club to watch this season. On paper, they certainly appear to be a middle-of-the-pack club. Anytime you lose players like Ludwig, Griffith, Ballinger, and Cusic, and then unexpectadely lose Kareem Lee and Brian Bibb to retirement and academics respectively, you are going to struggle.

However, with Munchie Muskeyvalley and Brennan Dunville set to provide leadership to almost new Engineer club, they have a shot to surprise some people. Junior's Jason Bednarko and David Yarachefski will be looked upon as contributors this season. As will Sophomore's Jared Moore and Ron George.

I am looking forward to another fantastic year of SCAC Basketball. Hopefully Rose can have a successful run in this, their last year as a member of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 09, 2005, 07:53:09 PM
The SCAC press release is incorrect.   Trinity lost four starters from last years team.  Andy Bates started every game last year averaging 10.2 ppg and was second in blocked shots and tied for third in assists. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 10, 2005, 06:30:53 PM
Arkansas State University (d1) played an exhibition game against Rhodes College last week.  The local paper referred to Rhodes as a d2 team for two days straight and I was told by someone who went to the game that they continued to refer to Rhodes as d2 during the game.  Anyway, Rhodes did lose but from what I heard they looked pretty good and shot the trey quite well.  The local ASU fans gave ASU, the home team, a B for their effort in the first half and a C for their second half play.  Rhodes came out with a better effort after the half and closed the margin.  Sounds like Rhodes may have a pretty good team this year, according to some of the ASU fans that watched the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 11, 2005, 08:10:52 PM
Ok, time for everyone to list whom they feel will be the projected starters for each school in the SCAC this season.

Rose-Hulman, at this point, is looking at......

G Munchie Muskeyvalley, 6-0, Sr.
G Jason Bednarko, 6-2, Jr.
F Jared Moore, 6-3, Soph.
F David Yarchefski, 6-6, Jr.
C Brennan Dunville, 6-7, Sr.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on November 12, 2005, 07:20:18 PM
Now that our Bell is gone and the football season is over, it's time to turn our attention to hoops... but in the State of Basketball, you could argue that our attention never really wavers.

Your 2005-2006 'starting lineup' (Coach Fenlon will probably use roughly 10 different starting fives this year):

PG - Michael Moore, Fr
SG - Reid Sakel, Jr
SF - Alex Stewart, Sr
PF - Brian Oilar, So
C - Steve Schott, So

This is what the Tigers went with in their scrimmage against Evansville - they gave the Purple Aces a game thanks to some impressive shooting from the perimeter but ended up losing by 9.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warped on November 14, 2005, 11:03:42 AM
ANYONE GOING TO THE UMHB / TRINITY SCRIMMAGE IN SAN ANTONIO?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 16, 2005, 02:15:06 PM
Rose-Hulman game notes, as they travel to Chicago to compete in the Midway Classic.

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/mbbnotes.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on November 16, 2005, 03:09:02 PM
I hear that Trinity had a very good scrimage against Mary Hardin-Baylor earlier this week.  Does anyone have details?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 19, 2005, 08:44:52 AM
Hendrix beat Westminster 87-65.  Michael Bennett led all scorers with 17.  Matt Secrease had14.  Rhodes also won their game against Rhema.  Both teams play again today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopnation on November 19, 2005, 09:02:40 AM
Trinity goes to Virginia Beach, VA and plays Virginia Wesleyen who is pre season rated by Street's & Smith #5. Trinity comes away with a 67-64 victory. Senior Ross burt led the way with 21pt and 8 boards. Andy bates chipped in with 18 and 4. Trinity was down by as many as 18pt in the second half but, the Trinity defense picked as usual and held VW to 9-29 shooting in the second half.
Back to back 3's by Mitchell Walker and James lake cut the lead to 1 with 1:27 to play. Trinity kept the game for good with a steal by Jay Riola and Andy bates hitting two ft's with 48 seconds left. VW got off two 3 pointers in the last 7 seconds not hiiting on either. Trinity shows even though they lost a great senior class they will again be a team in the hunt for a 4th straight trip to the NCAA's.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 19, 2005, 11:00:58 AM
I would have to imagine that a few SCAC fans and maybe a few coaches were shocked to see TU go on the road a beat the defending ODAC champs and #11 team in the poll. 

Trinity had a secret that a few of us knew.  Hoopnation and Fan of the Game knew.  Trinity still has really good players.  They lost 4 great seniors but the kids that are still there can really play and those kids that are there played against the best players in the country every day in practice.  Transfer Brandon York will play a huge role on this team as well. 

Trinity will be in the mix at the end.  They don't have the margin for error that they had in the past but their group of seniors will keep them in it. 

Congrats to Hendrix.  When was the last time the Warriors had a 20 point win? 

Southwestern went down but played short handed against a good team.  I believe 3 players were out for them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madison on November 19, 2005, 07:31:17 PM
Hendrix over Rhema College 86-54.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopnation on November 20, 2005, 10:38:28 AM
Trinity played NC Wesleyan on Saturday and didn't let their upset of Virginia Wesleyan go to their head winning 82-50. Ross Burt again was high scorer with 21pt and 5 boards. Andy Bates had 13pt, 5 boards and 5 assists. The backcourt of Mitchell Walker and James Lake played well. Walker finished with 10pt and 5 assists and Bates 13pt and 3 rebounds. 11 players scored in the game for the Tigers. All Tourney: Ross Burt, Andy Bates and Mitchell Walker.
Good start for Trinity. They play Howard Payne on Tuesday(Nov. 22) and play in the Southwestern/Trinity Thanksgiving Classic on Friday and Saturday. Otterbein and Cal Tech are the teams coming in.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2005, 12:33:10 PM
Hoopnation, those are a couple of in-region wins and one might be very good!  Way-to-go, TU.

Go easy on, Cal Tech!  The HPU game will be good!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 21, 2005, 02:17:50 AM
Rose-Hulman went down in defeat to The University of Chicago this evening, 61-55, wrapping a weekend spilt of two games in the 9th Annual Midway Classic in Chicago.

The Engineers kicked-off the season Saturday night with a 73-57 victory over Denison (OH). Munchie Muskeyvalley was one of four Rose players in double-figures with 14 points to lead the Engineers. Jared Moore, David Yarachefski, and Brennan Dunville added 11, 10, and 10 respectively. Jason Bednarko chipped in 9 points.

The story of the night, however, may have been the ankle injury to Senior guard Munchie Muskeyvalley, as he went down in pain, grabbing his ankle after attempting a three point basket late in the 2nd half.

This evening's contest against Chicago started out with the Maroons dominating at every facet of the game, while taking a double-digit lead on a young Engineer club. The lead grew as large as 20, before Rose-Hulman rallied to get within give at 55-50 with only 1:42 to go.

Unfortunately, the late comeback fell short, and Rose went down in defeat to the host Maroons, 61-55, in the Championship game of the Midway Classic. Ron George lead the Engineers with 13 points, while Jason Bednarko added 12 in a losing cause.

Chicago's Clay Carmody was voted MVP of the two-day event. Rose guards Jared Moore and Jason Bednarko were chosen as All-Tournament team representatives.

Rose-Hulman (1-1) hosts Anderson on Tuesday night in their home opener.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dballa on November 21, 2005, 10:14:28 AM
Will Trinity be broadcasting Tuesday's game against HPU over the internet or even at all?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2005, 12:16:47 PM
It's nice to see reports from so many schools.  Millsaps opened up with two wins this weekend, 80-64 over Austin College and 60-57 over the University of Dallas.  Like last year, Millsaps is a relatively young team, they have a lot of depth at the guard positions and they need to develop depth at the 4 and 5 spots.  With so many talented teams in the league, I'm not sure if a league championship is in the picture but they are certainly capable of making a run at the SCAC Tournament like Sewanee did last season.

Things may change but this weekend 6 players shared a lot of playing time at the 1, 2 and 3 spots.  Of those six, seniors Tyler Warren and Justin LeBlanc and sophs Deonte Oscar and Lorenzo Bailey played a lot last year.  Junior Allen Odum and soph. John Childs were on the team last year but didn't play many minutes (Odum transferred to Millsaps at mid-season last year).  There are a couple of other players who might work their way into time at these spots but there is a lot of competition for the available minutes.

Soph. Rodney Rogan returns at the power forward.  His best spot might be small forward but Millsaps doesn't have the luxury of playing him there at this time.  Rodney reminds me a lot of Daniel Waguespack, a strong 6'4" player who does everything well on both ends of the court.  I won't be surprised if he makes some SCAC all-conference teams in the future.

Last year's starting center (Sandro Norris) transferred out and this year's starting center transferred in.  Soph. Edrick Montgomery played last year at Jackson State University.  At 6'5" he won't be the biggest center in the league but he'll be the fastest (Mississippi high school state champion in the 100M and 200M).  Edrick scored 26 points against Austin (19 in the first half) but only had 7 shots against the U. of Dallas.  I'm guessing that the team would like to see Edrick get about 15 shots per game. 

Maybe the key to the Millsaps season will be just how much support the bench contributes at the inside spots.  The potential is there with freshmen Russell Booth and Phil Pass, soph. Ross LeBlanc, and senior Morgan Walvoord so it's just a matter of seeing how much they develop over the course of the season.

There's no doubt that Millsaps is a much better team than they were at this time last year but the league might also be a little stronger this year.  I can't disagree with the 6th place prediction by the coaches in the league but if they stay healthy and they get a few good breaks, this team has enough talent and coaching to finish in the top three this year.  That's probably a statement that could be made about the majority of teams in the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 21, 2005, 02:46:00 PM
Interesting weekend in the SCAC.  In addition to Trinity's nice win, Sewanee beat Methodist who I believe was picked first in their conference.

Edrick Montgomery sounds like a good player but I couldn't find his name in the stats for JSU last year.  It appears that he was a freshman in 02-03 for JSU.  Not sure how much Phil Pass can help this year.  Odum was at Millsaps as a freshman in 03-04 but sat out with a knee injury. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: b2bwise on November 21, 2005, 03:42:47 PM
I know this will please a lot of Oglethyorpe's opponents.  The Dorough Gym is brighter this year and has a new WOODEN floor.  The new court is dedicated to ex-coach Pinholster who coached in the pre-SCAC days.  First game is tonight agiansyt Emory and it shoul dbe interesting to see if they can hit the three's like last year despite the loss of Russ Churchwell.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 22, 2005, 01:06:39 AM
The Hendrix Warriors have won again!!!!!  Tonight, they beat Central Baptist College in a close game.  CBC (4-2) led 29-26 at the half but Hendrix later tied the game 40 all and finally won 76-70.  Hendrix has a deep bench this year and played well on both ends of the court.  The Warriors were led by Michael Bennett with 17 and Matt Secrease with 16.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2005, 09:21:51 AM
Carl--Thank you for the correction regarding Edrick Montgomery's year at JSU.  Here's a link to a story that you probably found:  http://orig.clarionledger.com/news/0306/29/tjsu01.html

Regarding Allen Odum, he was at Millsaps in 03-04 and sat out with an injury.  If I have my story correct, he then transferred to another school but came back for the second semester last year and rejoined the team late in the season.  He didn't play much at all after rejoining the team but he started both games in Dallas this weekend.

I haven't seen enough of Phil Pass to have a judgement on how much he will help this year.  I think Millsaps will be looking primarily for short stretches of defense and rebounding from the backup post men and hopefully Phil and a couple of others can deliver. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 22, 2005, 01:06:36 PM
Anderson University (1-1) @ Rose-Hulman (1-1)

Tonight - 7:30 EST

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/mbbnotes.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 22, 2005, 10:06:14 PM
Anderson 61, Rose-Hulman 59

Rose led by as many as 11 with 6:07 to go in the game,  but red-hot shooting down the stretch helped the Ravens from Anderson collect a come from behind victory at Hulbert Arena in Terre Haute this evening.

Nick Rogers had 18 points and 9 rebounds from Anderson, who improved to 2-1 overall, and J.D. Clampitt added 15.

Brennan Dunville scored a career-high 16 for Rose-Hulman, and freshman Lorenzo Rice chipped in 14.

The Engineers falls to 1-2 overall and host Blackburn (0-3) on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tusid on November 22, 2005, 10:20:31 PM
FYI for interested parties...

Tonight's game against Howard Payne features live stats @ this link:

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/05livestats/xlive.htm

Trinity leads 45-31 at the half...


ALSO - that link will be the same for ALL Trinity men's home games...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on November 23, 2005, 01:42:28 AM
Trinity 97 HPU 85   Final

Ross Burt 30 pts!!!
Andy Bates 17 pts
Brandon York 17 pts  (newcomer transfer looked very good)

Good shooting, below average defense, fun game to watch
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on November 23, 2005, 09:46:08 AM
With the loss of the 3 guys from last year, I expected Burt and Bates to have big years.  Burt is off to a great start.  I can't wait to see how this season unfolds.  Let's keep the chatter up on the message board this year.  I like to hear what is going on in the SCAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dballa on November 23, 2005, 09:52:46 AM
Fan of the Game, I only got to see the livestats online last night.  I saw that the game was really close with about 5 mins to go and even a little later.  Was the difference in the score due to late fouling and good free throw shooting or just that TU pulled away?  I wish I could have been there to watch the game, seemed like the 2nd half was a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on November 23, 2005, 11:18:51 AM
dballa,

HPU really turned up the heat on defense in the second half and for the most part the refs let them play.  It took a pretty hard foul to get a whistle.  HPU also shot 57% in the second half going 46% on 3's.  They have some very good shooters.  As for Trinity, they have a lot of talent and even more heart.  They look like a team with a mission. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dballa on November 23, 2005, 11:35:16 AM
Sounds like you guys still have a pretty good team this year especially if Burt keeps playing the way he is.  He put up some good numbers against HPU last year and 30 pts this year i would say thats not too shabby either :)  good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 23, 2005, 12:19:19 PM
Herbity, good to have you back.  Remember, TU lost four players from last year.

Big game from Ross Burt.  The stats show another very solid effort from Mitch Walker.  Appeared that everybody put up some type of number and Casey Hill hit a big three in the second half. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on November 23, 2005, 02:20:43 PM
Carl,
How could I forget about the fourth?  Thanks for the correction.  I apologize to the fourth member of that graduating class.  This Tiger team has started out very strong with some good wins. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2005, 10:45:46 AM
Millsaps beat Rust College 75-74 Tuesday night at Millsaps.  Millsaps dominated the first half, Rust got extremely hot in the second half and took the lead very late in the game and Millsaps hit a bucket with about 4 seconds left to get the victory.  Millsaps got balanced scoring from Tyler Warren, Rodney Rogan, Lorenzo Baily and Edrick Montgomery.  In the past Rust College has been competitive with mid-level SCAC teams and that's probably true about this year's team.  I think Rhodes plays at Rust next Monday.

For photos from the Rust game, go to the following link, click on men's basketball, and then click on the photo album for the Rust game:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 25, 2005, 03:12:27 PM
Hendrix will play the next six games at home.  They play host to Ottervein College Monday night then Deapuw and Rose-Hulman for their first two conference games of the season the following weekend.  Hopefully they can extend their short winning in the upcoming games. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 25, 2005, 04:05:28 PM
Rose-Hulman hosts the Beavers from Blackburn College tommorrow afternoon. Tip-Off is set for 3:00 EST.

Rose (1-2), is coming off a 61-59 loss at home on Tuesday night to Anderson University. In that contest, the Engineers built up an 11 point lead, but blew it in the last 6 minutes and took the loss. Senior center Brennan Dunville lead Rose with 16 points. True Freshman Lorenzo Rice added 14.

Blackburn (0-3) dropped their home opener to Millikin, 81-72, on Tuesday night.  Junior guard Zak Allan scored 19 points and had 7 assists for the Beavers.

The two teams have played a total of 71 times in their history, with the most recent meeting being a 72-53 victory for Rose-Hulman last season in a game where Munchie Muskeyvalley scored 25 points. Rose-Hulman leads the all-time series 57-14.

Projected Starters:

Rose Hulman:
G Jason Bednarko, 6-2, Jr. (10.0 ppg)
G Munchie Muskeyvalley, 6-0, Sr. (10.0)
F Jared Moore, 6-3, Soph. (8.3)
F David Yarachefski, 6-6, Jr. (6.7)
C Brennan Dunville, 6-7, Sr. (10.0)

Bench:
Lorenzo Rice, 6-4, Fr. (8.3)
Ron George, 6-3, Soph. (6.0)
Shane McCue, 6-9, Jr. (3.3)

Blackburn:
G Todd Stevens, 6-0, Sr. (11.7)
G Zak Allan, 6-2, Jr. (15.0)
F Matt Maddox, 6-2, Sr. (5.7)
F Zeb Hammond, 6-4, Jr. (11.0)
C Luke Djedovic, 6-5, Sr. (11.0)

Bench:
G Bryan Waters, 6-1, Soph. (2.3)
G Jake McWhorter, 5-10, Sr. (1.0)
C Josh Oswald, 6-4, Sr. (1.3)


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: retired52 on November 26, 2005, 01:39:22 AM
herb, carl, rest of the scac guys.....

well, my wife and I are FINALLY back to normal after the hurricane gave us the justice!!!  new roof, new stuff, so thats good i guess. 

Looks like the season is going to be an exciting one....  It reminds me of 96-97 and 97-98 when every game was a nail biter for almost all the teams.....

i look foward to some trash talk with any southwestern fans....!!!  (my little sister got brainwashed and is attending school there...)

-Fogo
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopnation on November 26, 2005, 06:04:42 PM
OTTERBEIN 99 TRINITY 87
Close game1st half with Otterbein up 46-43 but , Otterbein shot the lights out all night long. They shot 60% for the game which is unheard of against a coach cunningham Trinity team. Ross Burt is still scoring well on a nightly basis dropping 26pt. Bates and York were also very solid players tonight on offense. Scoring doesn't appear to be a problem for Trinity they just need to bring the defense back to a Trinity level which they will...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 26, 2005, 07:34:46 PM
I've got my fingers crossed that Otterbein used it all up playing Trinity.  Hendrix has looked great so far.......I guess we'll see what happens Monday evening.  Coach Priest and Coach McCracken are doing a great job with the team.  We will probably give them a run for the money.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on November 27, 2005, 10:00:46 AM
Any more insight to the Trinity-Otterbein game?  Did Otterbein just shoot the ball very well or was the Trinity defense not there? 

Any Southwestern fans out there?  What's the word from Georgetown, TX?

Retired52,
It's good to hear you survived the hurricane.  You missed a hell of a party in Holdenville this summer. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 27, 2005, 05:59:07 PM
Saturday, Nov. 26th

[Rose-Hulman 57, Blackburn 52

Engineers (2-2)
Beavers (0-4)

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/06stats/06mbb04.htm



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on November 28, 2005, 09:30:36 AM
What is the story with Ross Burt?  His name was not in the box score against the California Institute of Technology. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on November 28, 2005, 12:51:06 PM
Herb,

In the Trinity vs Otterbein game, Trinity's perimeter defence was not tight enough.  On top of that, Otterbein, after shooting 54% from 3 pt range in the first half, came back in the second half and shot 71% on 3's.  For the game they went 12-20 on 3's.  The next night against Southwestern, they cooled down considerably shooting 6% (1-17) on 3's. 

Ross burt has a sprained right thumb.  He didn't play against Cal Tech but hopes to play in the Southwestern game this Thursday.  Also on the injured list is Brandon York, who rolled his ankle in the Cal Tech game.  My guess is that he will not play Thursday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snowbird on November 28, 2005, 11:51:35 PM
Let's recap the SCAC...we will start at the top:  SOUTHWESTERN- The Pirates have a lot of people back...so far they are 3-2. An interesting stat, their five opponents have combined for 5 wins so far as per d3hoops.  TRINITY-The Tigers are 4-1 & will be facing SW Pirates early on.  CENTRE-The Colonels have 3 wins and one quality loss.  DEPAUW-2 wins With 2 quality losses...the big surprise ??? Who would have thought that the famous actor/producer Michael Moore could find happiness in th SCAC? But that freshman rotund wonder has turning in some impressine #'s. I'm talking box scores not box office...averagingover 15 pts & 7 assist the last three games.  OGLETHORPE- 2 wins/2 quality losses.  ROSE-HULMAN- two & two   HENDRIX-After going 5-19 last year they started out 3-0, but bumped into Otterbien tonight to pickup 1st loss. Otterbein isn't bad.  RHODES plays Rust tonight, they will lose I predict to get their 1st loss. They started out 5-0 (do not adjust your set/that is correct Rhodes 5-0) before my predicted loss tonight.  MILLSAP-The Majors have 4 wins (not a Principa or Messenger in the lot) and one quality loss.  SEWANEE- 3-1...the good news is that they are averging 96 pts per game...the bad news is their opponents are averaging 97 ppg. Sewanee has been absent 3rd year starter jr pg Chris Eddy who pulled a muscle before the season began.  O.K., so I took a few cheap shots. Pay me back in spades if you like, but fill in the missing spots. A smiley face for the 1st one to correctly guess which school I support.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 29, 2005, 10:45:33 AM
Lets move the SCAC discussion back to the SCAC board.  Their aren't enough posters for one board, let alone two. 

Interesting post by Snowbird. 

Not sure if I am ready to call a home loss to Averett by Oglethorpe a quality loss.

The DePauw frosh is putting up some numbers.  They have a long history of good freshman point guards starting.  Mike Howland, Robert Davis, Joey Hanger.  Now, only one did it for four years. 

Interesting inside info on Eddy and the pulled muscle.  He is a really good player.  They will need him.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on November 29, 2005, 10:47:23 AM
Fan of the Game,
Do you think Trinity just ran into a buzzsaw with Otterbein shooting the ball that well from the three point line?  Or was it a product of bad defense?  If it was bad defense, did Southwestern do a better job defending or did Otterbein just shoot poorly?

Since you have seen both teams play, can you provide some analysis/predictions for Thursday's game?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on November 29, 2005, 10:49:31 AM
Carl,
Your knowledge of SCAC history amazes me.  It has got to be difficult to follow the SCAC from your present position just as it is for me.  We need more posters to help us old timers keep up with the current SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on November 29, 2005, 10:57:45 AM
Herb,

I watched the first half of the Otterbein/Southwestern game.  Otterbein was getting open shots from 3 point range but they just were not going in the basket.  My conclusion is that they shot well above average against Trinity and way below against Southwestern.  All that said, Trinity needs to tighten up their perimeter defense.  Knowing Coach Cunningham, that should happen. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on November 29, 2005, 11:05:53 AM
In the past Trinity has been a pretty good defensive team.  Of course when you have an enforcer like Sean Devins behind you it is easier to get up and pressure the ball because you know if you get beat there is a pretty good second line of defense.  We will see if they can still apply that pressure without Devins.  Lets hope Coach Cunningham and the boys get the defensive pressure amped up for Thursday night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on November 29, 2005, 11:18:16 AM
Herb,

Trinity vs Southwestern game predition:  it will be a great game as usual.  The rivalry between these two teams is fun to watch.  If Ross Burt plays and is close to 100%, I give Trinity a good chance to win at home.  If he doen't play, Andy Bates will need to shoot the basketball more that his usual 12 shots per game.  It doesn't sound like Brandon York will play and that will hurt Trinity in the off guard spot.  Brandon can really shoot the ball.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 29, 2005, 11:43:53 AM

So does Trinity look pretty different this year?  My guess is that they have to move the ball around quite a bit more since they have no height advantage.  I did see that they have a 6-7 guy on the roster.  Is he playing much?

Are there any guys that are contributing this year that didn't get any minutes last year?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 29, 2005, 11:44:52 AM
Your prediction on the Rhodes-Rust game was correct.  Rust won at home 78-72.  I've been to a couple of games on the Rust campus and they are tough at home, not because of one-sided officiating but because it is a small, intimate gym and they get a lot of student support.

Millsaps and Rhodes have had two common opponents for what it's worth.  Millsaps won at home against Rust by 1 and Rhodes lost at Rust by 6.  Millsaps beat Dallas on the road by 3 and Rhodes won at home over Dallas by 6.  It sound like Rhodes and Millsaps are fairly even at this point.  What are the other results against common opponents so far this year? 

As for your school, I hope you are from DePauw.  If not, then you are delving too deep into SCAC box scores with that stat about Michael Moore--I hear that all he can do is score from the left side of the court and that he is totally ineffective from the right--what else would you expect from a player named Michael Moore.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2005, 11:53:50 AM
Great to see the SCAC talk so early in the season.  I went ahead and merged the two SCAC topics.  Should be a good game between Southwestern and TU on Thursday nite!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on November 29, 2005, 12:55:27 PM
Trinity's style of play is very different this year.  They have a lot more speed and push more in transition.  The ball movement in the half court is much better.   
Transfer Brandon York is a big contributor with good speed and shooting ability.  Casey Hill has stepped up his game and is looking strong this season.  Last year's reserves James Lake, Jay Riola, and Mitch Walker also look very good this season.  I like what I'm seeing from Mike Gilb.  He's quicker this year and is rebounding well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snowbird on November 30, 2005, 12:48:30 AM
I saw that Sewanee lost to Emory tonight 112-94. The 94 pts will hurt Sewanee's 96 pt game averge some, but the loss drops them to 3-2. They can't ever seen to beat Emory. I thought this might be the year. Sewanee has some offense this year, but I think they are team still looking for their personality. They are playing a lot of players right now( freshmen are getting quality time & one will continue to start )looking to find who can contribute. By Feb. I think they will be a solid nine deep.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 30, 2005, 08:41:19 PM
Conference play starts this weekend!

Rose-Hulman begins SCAC play with a two-game road trip to Rhodes and Hendrix.

Weekend notes........

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket/mbbnotes.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2005, 08:54:18 PM
Last go-around for Rose.  No more plane flights to MEM, SAT, ATL, JAN, LIT, AUS or TYS. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on November 30, 2005, 09:17:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2005, 08:54:18 PM
Last go-around for Rose.  No more plane flights to MEM, SAT, ATL, JAN, LIT, AUS or TYS. :)

Absolutely. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 30, 2005, 09:48:42 PM
Wabash defeats DePauw 68-57. The Little Giants kept Stewart, Schott and Moore in check. Schott scored just two before fouling out. Moore was scoreless, and Stewart had five points. Sakel led DePauw with 11. The Tigers shot only 34.5% from the field and shot just 13 from 23 from the line. DPU also commited 19 turnovers.

After surging to an eight point lead with 6:04 to go in the first half, they just went totally out of sync.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2005, 11:58:16 AM
Millsaps plays Piedmont this Friday and Piedmont is coming off a 100-80 home victory over Oglethorpe ( http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/05_06_headlines/11_29_05_mbkb.htm ).  One note of interest is that Piedmont outrebounded OU 50-29.  I don't know what OU has in the post-Churchwell era but OU beat Emory 74-72 and Emory beat Sewanee 112-94 so I assume that OU has a solid team.

In addition to Piedmont, Millsaps plays Belhaven College, a local NAIA team.  This weekend might go a long way in telling just what kind of team Millsaps will have this season.  It will be interesting to see the rebounding stats and just how well Millsaps can score inside the 3-point arc.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 01, 2005, 12:29:46 PM

Does anyone know if there's going to be a webcast of the Trinity/Southwestern game tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 04:51:25 PM
I think that TU SID said all of the games would be on live-stat! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rose Basketball on November 30, 2005, 09:17:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2005, 08:54:18 PM
Last go-around for Rose.  No more plane flights to MEM, SAT, ATL, JAN, LIT, AUS or TYS. :)

Absolutely. :)

Travelocity could not find Danville KY! :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 01, 2005, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 04:51:25 PM
I think that TU SID said all of the games would be on live-stat! ;)

Yep, click here (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/05livestats/xlive.htm) to access the stats. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 01, 2005, 09:16:37 PM
HUGE conference showdown in Texas tonight.....

Trinity has jumped out to a 9 point lead early, 16-7, behind 11 points from Andy Bates on 4-for-4 from the field overall including 3-for-3 from 3-pt. land!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 01, 2005, 09:23:42 PM
Very odd game thusfar.

Both Ross Burt from Trinity and Aaron Bowser from Southwestern have yet to score.

Trinity 26, Southwestern 13

10:37 / 1st Half
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 01, 2005, 09:32:51 PM
WOW.

Bates now 8-for-8 from the field and 6-for-6 from behind the arc!!

22 points.

Still 4:35 left in the first half.

WOW.

Trinity 36, Southwestern 20.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 01, 2005, 09:42:16 PM
Halftime

Trinity 39, Southwestern 29

Bates (T) 22 points, 8-8 FG, 6-6 3-pt. FG, 6 rebs.   :o

Little (SW) 10 pts., 5 rebs.

Southwestern's gotta be pleased with a 10 point defecit considering Trinity came out firing and nearly turned this into a laugher.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 01, 2005, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: Rose Basketball on December 01, 2005, 09:42:16 PM
Halftime

Trinity 39, Southwestern 29

Bates (T) 22 points, 8-8 FG, 6-6 3-pt. FG, 6 rebs.   :o

Little (SW) 10 pts., 5 rebs.

Southwestern's gotta be pleased with a 10 point defecit considering Trinity came out firing and nearly turned this into a laugher.


Make that 41-29, and give Bates 24 points as he collected two free-throw's before the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on December 01, 2005, 09:54:34 PM
Intersting half of basketball.  I wonder if Trinity can keep up the hot shooting.  Can Southwestern make a run?  I bet Coach Raleigh makes some adjustments and Southwestern makes this is a game.  The history of this series tells us that this should be a close game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 01, 2005, 10:06:57 PM
Andy Bates is in the midst of one of the greatest single-game performances in SCAC History tonight......

14:38 / 2nd Half

Trinity 54, Southwestern 37

Bates is 11-for-11 from the field, 7-for-7 from 3-pt. land, and has 32 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 01, 2005, 10:13:22 PM
Unreal.

I don't think I have ever seen or heard anything like this before.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 01, 2005, 10:22:49 PM
The only thing Bates hasn't done with perfection tonight is shoot free-throws. He is currently 3-9 from the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on December 01, 2005, 10:27:42 PM
Just think if he could have hit his free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 01, 2005, 10:44:54 PM
Andy Bates finishes the night with 39 points.

13-15 FG
7-9 3-pt. FG
6-13 FT

9 Rebs.
4 Asst.

Trinity wins in convincing fashion as they blitz the Pirates of Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 02, 2005, 02:29:47 AM
I would like to be the first to congratulate Andy Bates on his SCAC POW for this week. 

A long day on the road, catching updates on via phone via live stats while in an airport.  What a great game for Trinity. 

With Ross Burt playing hurt and Brandon York out with an injury, Andy Bates steps up BIG TIME.  The greatest line I have seen in my time following Trinity hoops.  Ryan Hyslop hit Rhodes up for 38 back in the day on 18 of 18 from the line but this has to top that.  Seems like a very impressive performance by the Tigers as a whole and it wasn't as if the entire team was lights out.  Mitch Walker and Casey Hill stepped up with some offense.  James Lake can't hit a shot tonight but seemingly helped out in other ways.  Lake now has 17 assists and 2 turnovers for the year.  He must be doing a great job. 

Wish I could have been there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on December 02, 2005, 09:31:28 AM
Carl,
I would have to say that is the most impressive performance that I have heard about in all my years of following Trinity.  Ryan Hyslop had another 38 point performance in 1996 against Wesleyan.  He hit 9 threes that game.  He missed his first 2 three attempts and then hit 9 threes in a row.  He stayed in a little long trying to get 40 and forced some shots at the end, but I have to say Bates performance was more impressive. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on December 02, 2005, 09:43:34 AM
Just to add another historical note on Bates' performance last night, his 39 points is the most in a SCAC game since Neal Power of Rhodes had 43 against Millsaps on Feb. 18, 2001.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 02, 2005, 10:16:51 AM
And per TU's web site, the most points by a TU player since 1996. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 02, 2005, 12:19:15 PM
Ryan Hyslop...What a clown :D.  I heard he ended up on "Elimidate" not too long ago.  Must have been celebrity elimidate.  Good guy.  Haven't seen him since before I graduated.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on December 03, 2005, 02:04:40 AM
Hendrix beat Depauw tonight in overtime.  Three Hendrix players scored double digits in front of a rowdy Hendrix crowd. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 03, 2005, 08:25:12 AM
Trinity with a big home win over Southwestern was interesting but hardly earth shaking.  The Indiana teams opening up with road losses at Rhodes and Hendrix, the preseason 9th and 10th picks in the coaches' poll is far more telling of just how tough the conference will be this year.  It doesn't look like there will be any easy road games this year and defending your home court won't be a given against any team.

In non-conference play, Millsaps beat a solid Piedmont team 82-76.  I was surprised to see that Piedmont outshot Millsaps by a large margin on 3-pointers (10 of 20 vs. 4 of 22) and even scored more on free throws (20/29 vs. 18/23) despite the quick foul tactic towards the end of the game.  Those numbers would have meant a sure loss for Millsaps in the past couple of season but they have improved tremendously on scoring inside the arc.

Tyler Warren lead the scoring with 25, followed by Edrick Montgomery(21), Rodney Rogan(18) and Justin LeBlanc(11).  Millsaps had a 36-23 edge in rebounding, led by Montgomery with 12 and Rogan with 8.  Millsaps plays NAIA Belhaven College this afternoon in a game that should provide stiff competition.  After that, the December schedule is completed with road games to Rust College and Division 1 Birmingham Southern.  It is a great non-conference schedule to get ready for what shapes up to be a great year for the SCAC Conference from top to bottom in men's basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on December 03, 2005, 08:51:54 AM
First off, Congrats to Hendrix on a big win Friday.  It looks like they are ready to make a return to conference competitiveness. 

Thanks for the update on the Millsaps game, Frank.  I thnink you are right about the conference being tougher this year.  Do you think the bottom teams have gotten better or does the perceived lack of a dominant team(s) make the conference tougher?  To me I think it is a combination of both.  The bottom teams have gotten better and at least right now, you can't say that one or more teams are head and shoulders above the rest.  A team or teams may end up seperating themselves from the pack by the end of the season, but right now it is too early to tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 03, 2005, 11:27:05 AM
Earth shaking is extreme but certainly the TU win was more than interesting.  These are the Trinity-Southwestern results dating back to 01-02 with margin and winner.  The one double digit aberration was in the 02-03 SCAC Tourney and was a much closer game than that until the final couple of minutes. 

3 TU, 3 SU, 4 TU, 1 TU, 1 SU, 11 TU, 3 SU, 1 TU, 4 TU, 1 SU,

I don't think there is anyone outside of myself and a couple of other Trinity people on this board that thought Trinity would contend this year and even as one of the biggest believers, I didn't see this coming at all. 

Now Trinity isn't necessarily 19 points better than Southwestern but having such a decisive victory is shocking considering the way this rivalry has played out over the years and considering what Trinity lost and what Southwestern returned. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 03, 2005, 11:47:23 AM
From an outsider's perspective (and I mean really outside...like 1000 miles!) the Trinity win over Southwestern was very significant in the SCAC.  I saw Southwestern and Trinity both last year (vs Illinois Wesleyan) and I figured the Pirates would be a favorite in any game vs Trinity...even in San Antonio.  Before this season started I viewed Southwestern as a team that could make its way into the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll early and stay there all year long.

The real story isn't so much anything Southwestern is doing wrong (I'm sure they will have a very good year), but what Pat Cunningham is doing right with a whole new cast.  Count me among those who thought that Trinity was in rebuilding mode a little after losing Devins, Morris, Murray and that group.  I really like Ross Burt though and it appears Andy Bates has taken his game a new level.

Coincidentally I have seen Trinity's next opponent, D1 Texas A&M Corpus Christi, play this year...saw their game at Tulsa over Thanksgiving while I was visiting a friend that lives in Tulsa.  That is a game a D3 team can stay in with a real good effort, but Corpus Christi does have a 7-footer, Chris Daniels, who is really good...like way better than Texas A&M Corpus Christi good.  Nice touch around the hoop...I'm not sure if Trinity can stop him.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 03, 2005, 12:44:21 PM
To answer Herb's question, I think the toughness of the SCAC this season is mostly a result of the weaker teams getting stronger.  Two years ago Millsaps was starting 5 guards.  Last night the 4 and 5 players, both sophomores, combined for 39 points and 20 rebounds.  Coach Wise and Coach Thomas have done a tremendous job of getting the program back on track to compete for a SCAC title.  Obviously the story is the same at Hendrix and Coach Priest has come in and quickly turned that program around.  OU returns 8 of their top 9 players from last year (of course the non-returner is Churchwell) so I could see them being even better than last season.

As for Trinity, I don't see why anyone is surprised about there success.  When I saw them last year I never saw much of a dropoff when they subbed.  They obviously had top-notch talent just waiting for a chance to play and now they are proving themselves with a great start to the season.  Love them or hate them, you have to give Trinity their dues and admit that every year and in every sport they will always be in the hunt for the conference championship. 

This is going to be a great year to be a SCAC basketball fan--I just hope that these players at all the schools get the fan support that they deserve.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on December 04, 2005, 11:07:09 AM
It is beginning to look like a 10 team race in the SCAC this season.  If Trinity can get Ross Burt and Brandon York back to 100% by January, they look like a very strong contender.  It's too bad they won't be at full speed against Texas A&M Corpus Christi Tuesday night.  However, if Andy Bates can come close to a repeat performance and the rest of the team steps up again like they did in the Southwestern game, Trinity should keep it interesting. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 04, 2005, 11:45:52 AM
Fan, you must have noticed that Centre lost at Sewanee last night.  Four SCAC games, four victories by the home team.  In each case the home team was ranked lower in the pre-season poll than their opponent.  It will be interesting to see if the trend continues today.

Millsaps and Belhaven were tied at 67 with just under a minute to play but Belhaven held on for the win 71-67.  I don't know how Millsaps will do in the SCAC this year but they certainly have played a scheduled designed to prepare them for SCAC play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 04, 2005, 01:59:28 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on December 03, 2005, 12:44:21 PM
Love them or hate them, you have to give Trinity their dues and admit that every year and in every sport they will always be in the hunt for the conference championship. 

Why would you hate them? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 04, 2005, 02:36:54 PM
Great having Titan Q on the board.  Q, your thoughts on Southwestern and Trinity are correct. 

Not sure about TAMU-CC.  I would have thought that they would be down because they lost a great class of seniors but they beat new Big East team South Florida and thumped UTSA in San Antonio. Trinity was tied at the half a few years ago and played with them for 35 minutes.  Rebounding will be an issue.  As FOTG said, having Burt and York at 100% would help.  Daniels had all kinds of potential coming out of high school.  Texas Tech transfer Josh Washington is talented for TAMU-CC.

We shall see. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 04, 2005, 03:40:49 PM
Rose-Hulman finishes a rough weekend road trip, as they fall 63-55 to Hendrix today, finishes an 0-2 weekend which also saw them drop a 67-64 decision to Rhodes on Friday night.

The Engineers fall to 0-2 in the SCAC and 2-5 overall.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 05, 2005, 08:47:11 AM
Carl, the "love them or hate them" comment is actually a compliment that is reserved for teams that tend to achieve great success.  Such as people tend to "love or hate" the NY Yankees or Notre Dame or teams that stand out above the others.  I thought this was a phase that was so commonly used in sports that no one would take offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 05, 2005, 10:32:55 AM
FE, I am aware.  I didn't take offense.  Just a joke. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on December 05, 2005, 05:46:20 PM
Hendrix will play Rust College Friday at home.  Last season we played at Rust and that is one trip I will not make again. That was one of the most hostile sporting environments I have ever been a part of since my son played AAU at Luxora !!!! (Little delta town, gym was partially lit because lights were busted out, told not take valuables inside and don't go anyplace alone inside or outside of the gym!) The refs were terrible and our boys got roughed up pretty good as the officials turned a blind eye! It was not a pleasant experience to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 06, 2005, 08:55:18 AM
Millsaps plays at Rust tonight which will be a good road test for the team.  I've seen Rust play 3 times (all at the Millsaps gym) and they have a pretty good team even though they lost all 3 of those games (75-74 to Millsaps, 85-80 to Belhaven, and 98-92 to Piedmont College).  They also have lost at Sewanee 112-102 and they have won at home against Rhodes 78-72.

I have been to their gym and it is small and the crowd supports their team.  In the last game I saw the officials called a lot of fouls but it went both ways.  The crowd was loud but I didn't think they were out of line in their behavior.  I'm sure it will be a tough place to play this evening and it will be a great win if Millsaps pulls through with a victory.

By the way, congratulations to the Hendrix team on the two victories this past weekend.  I especially congratulate the older players who have stuck with the program and have been instumental in this revival.  Good luck Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on December 06, 2005, 08:48:34 PM
Trinity down 11 at the half to Texas A&M-Corpus Christi.  Trinity shoots 37.9% in the first half and also committed 11 turnovers.  Live webcast from the TAMUCC guys. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2005, 11:50:06 AM
Final was 86-62.  TAMUCC hit 47% of their threes.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on December 07, 2005, 05:53:55 PM
Titan Q

Your assessment of Chris Daniels with Texas A&M Corpus Christi is right on target.  He's not just a seven footer, he has a lot of talent.  Don't be surprised if you see him at the next level if he develops to his full potential. 

Trinity had no answer to his 7' inside presence.  Ross Burt's injured thumb proved to be a handicap for the team.  Hopefully he will heal during finals and the holidays.   Jay Riola (13 pts, 3 rbds) and James Lakes (13 pts) stepped up and made big contributions.  Andy Bates continued his break out season with 21 pts.  Not a "W", but certainly a respectable showing last night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on December 08, 2005, 04:22:53 PM
Congrats to Andy Bates on being named to the D3hoops.com Team of the Week for his performance against Southwestern. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on December 08, 2005, 11:22:39 PM
Herb,  ditto to the congrats to Andy Bates.  It truly was an amazing performance.  I have a feeling that we'll see some more great games out of him this season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on December 09, 2005, 09:58:43 AM
Carl,
Tough first half last night.  At least you dress better than that assistant with the Wildcats. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on December 09, 2005, 10:04:37 AM
Now that the SCAC teams have a few games under their belt, are there any surprises or changes to anyone's preseason predictions.  How about Hendrix of to a 5-1 start with 2 wins in the conference?  0-23 two years ago and 5-19 last year makes 5-1 sound great.  Does Trinity's win over Southwestern make them the frontrunner?  I still think everything is up in the air.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on December 09, 2005, 12:56:07 PM
I think Hendrix will finish in the middle of the mix this season.  They actually have a bench which has made a huge difference in their game.  Of course, I am biased.  I would love to hear what others have to say about them after seeing them play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2005, 01:08:46 PM
Warrior fan, IMHO, your non-conference record is what I would expect.  Let's see how you do against UOzarks on Jan 2nd.

That will tell me quite a bit! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 10, 2005, 03:14:16 PM
Herb, no doubt a tough first half.  Brutal finish to your season.  I know that the RISofH will be back.

Still too early to tell on the SCAC season.  What is promising for the league is that everybody but Rose-Hulman is at least over .500.  That is very good for the league.  Hopefully it can be kept up through the end of the non-conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 10, 2005, 04:18:28 PM
Rust College went 2-0 over SCAC teams this week.  Millsaps travelled to Rust Tuesday and lost 79-73.  Rust went to Hendrix Friday and came away with a 91-83 win. 

I can't tell much about the Millsaps-Rust game because the stats haven't been sent to the SCAC for posting.  There is a story on the Millsaps website (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/2-Rust-5.shtml).  Millsaps was up 40-34 at halftime but Rust came back on 15 of 20 FT shooting vs. 2 of 7 for Millsaps in the second half.  Montgomery had 19 points and 11 rebounds and Rogan had 18 points.

Here's a link to the Rust-Hendrix game:  http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/newsItem.aspx?i=1431
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on December 10, 2005, 05:07:08 PM
The Rust-Hendrix game was hard fought till the end.  It was a very physical game on both ends by both teams.  Hendrix led into the half but gave up too many three point shots---especially to the Rust player from South Africa (can't recall his name).  Although Hendrix shot the ball well, their defense lacked but I'm sure Coach Priest will motivate the players to pick it up in the upcoming weekend when LaGrange and University of Dallas visit.  Priest showed lots of emotion on the sideline, which was a complete turn around from what we saw last year.  He is playing all players and it's almost "pick your poison" as far as shooters go for the Warriors.  Despite the loss, we're still looking good and hanging in there.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Samuel L. Jackson on December 12, 2005, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2005, 01:08:46 PM
Warrior fan, IMHO, your non-conference record is what I would expect.  Let's see how you do against UOzarks on Jan 2nd.

That will tell me quite a bit! :)

Something else worth keeping in mind is that the Warriors have yet to match up with a team considerably larger than them. Freshman Andrew King has done a terriffic job, but he also plays well above his head.

Rust brought a smaller team to Grove Gymnasium Friday night, at least by Rust standards.

Hendrix has some good shooters and some quickness, but I'd curious as to how they'll react against some 6-9 or 6-10 inside players.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 14, 2005, 08:21:11 AM
While there is a lull in in the action, I want to publicly thank Dwayne Hanberry for the incredible job that he does on the "SCAC Hoops Weekly".  If you are reading this board then you have an interest in SCAC basketball.  If you have an interest in SCAC basketball, then you will love the 4 pages of Hoops Weekly that Dwayne puts out each week.

To see this week's edition, go to the SCAC website (http://www.scac-online.org/) and you will see a link for the current Hoops Weekly near the top of the page.  BUT, what you really need to do is go down a little ways on the SCAC home page and click on the link to "Join the SCAC E-List".  You'll be glad that you did.

Have a great Christmas--it's going to be a great SCAC season this year.  I know it is early to mention this, but if you haven't made the weekend trip to the SCAC Tournament in the past, this might be the perfect year to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 16, 2005, 07:34:47 PM
An outstanding win over a qaulity opponent for Rose-Hulman last night, as they defeated Earlham 67-59 at Hulbert Arena.

Earlham is 3-5 now, but that record is a bit deceiving as they have an 83-81 overtime loss to #2 Wooster and a 67-59 setback at the hands of #14 Hanover in the loss column.

Senior center Brennan Dunville had a career high 22 points for the Engineers as they improved to 4-6 overall. The schedule doesn't get any easier for Rose-Hulman as they take a week off, then travel to Rock Island, Illinois to battle #13 Augustana.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on December 19, 2005, 12:20:44 PM
We just returned from the Cliff Garrison Classic at Hendrix.  Freshman Andrew King put on a good show.  He's a fantastic player and one to watch in the next three years.  Although the Warriors split with one win and one loss, it was a great weekend of basketball.

I just want to add that I have sat through hundreds of ballgames through the years.  My son has been playing since 5th grade, and in the off season he played AAU ball and in various camps across the south.  I never grow tired of watching a good game.  But the difference between some of those and the games I saw this weekend at Grove Gym was the passion on the bench.  I enjoyed watching the coaches and the players, many of whom never stepped on the court for a single minute, display heart and passion for the game and their team.  They yelled and encouraged while showing a whole range of emotions, all for the love of the game.  My son played in the state finals in high school.  His team won in overtime and he was named MVP of the tournament.  We, along with other people from our small town, were dancing and crying all at the same time over that win.  Later, I felt that maybe other people just couldn't understand that a simple game like basketball could make one feel this way.  But this weekend, I saw similiarities in a small gym that had few fans in the stands.  It didn't matter if it was a championship game or not, some people are just passionate about this game.  I think, this weekend, I finally got what D3 ball is really all about.  I'm thankful that my kid has an opportunity to participate.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 19, 2005, 02:05:59 PM
In many ways I think D3 sports is more like real life than the sports you see at the higher levels.  It's hard to put into words why sports mean so much to so many but I think warriorfan is speaking for many, many parents and fans in the above post.

Millsaps hits the road for a D1 contest at Birmingham Southern this evening.  Game time is 7:00.  According to the Birmingham Southern SID, there will be no live internet broadcast of the game but they will have live stats.  This website should get you to a spot where you can find the live stats:

http://bscsports.net/index.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 19, 2005, 08:28:07 PM
I had better post good news while I can.  With 9:03 to go in the 1st half it is Birmingham Southern 29, Millsaps 27.  Rogan has 14 points in 10 minutes.  Edrick Montgomery didn't start and hasn't played--don't know if he is hurt, sick, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:48:44 PM
Frank, can Millsaps keep up the pace?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 19, 2005, 08:56:10 PM
Typical D1-D3 scenario where lack of depth, height, and strength eventually does in the D3 team.  Millsaps was within 2 with 5 minutes left in the half (34-32) and then BSC went on a run to take a 46-34 lead into the locker room.  Last week the Lady Majors led most of the first half against Birmingham Southern but BSC took a 26-24 lead with 3:13 left in the half and it grew to 35-24 by halftime.  

Millsaps will have to be red hot from the outside to make a game of it now.  It's possible but the odds are against it.

I see that Ralph posted while I was typing.  To be honest, I think Millsaps has done great considering that their leading scorer and rebounder isn't playing.  For a team that is already small even by D3 standards, not having your starting center is a very difficult situation.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 19, 2005, 09:59:03 PM
The live stats from BSC never started up for the 2nd half.  The game should be close to the end now since the tipoff was scheduled for 7 and it is now 9.  With this game out of the way, next up is the first SCAC game at OU and all of their 3-point shooters.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on December 23, 2005, 12:47:02 AM
Rose-Hulman played pretty well this evening, but dropped a 65-59 decision to #13 Augustana in Rock Island, Illinois tonight.

Rick Harrigan scored 27 points, including 14-15 from the charity stripe,  as the Vikings improved their record to a perfect 9-0 on the season. Augie also got two other players in double figures as Oliver Rorer and Jay McAdams-Thornton scored 15 and 10 points respectively.

Rose-Hulman was lead by Munchie Muskeyvalley's 18 points on 8-for-16 shooting as he was playing in his home town of Rock Island for the first time in his career at Rose. Brennan Dunville added 15 as the Engineers fell to 4-7 overall.

Augustana lead 28-27 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2005, 10:06:04 AM
Pat Coleman has permitted me to moderate the D3Baseball message boards.  We have had a good response from the NCAC and the ODAC conferences about setting up a basic board for those conferences.  I will moderate the ASC and West Region Independent boards for the time being.

Pat has explained some of the ground rules on the ASC board.  There will be no editorial content, just hyperlinks to the schools and conferences websites and message board space for scores, commentary and links to press reports.  There are other thoughts on the NCAC and ODAC boards.  We have added a board that will track the NABC Poll.

I sought Ron Boerger's advice and he suggested that I post here asking for a volunteer who would like to help maintain a SCAC Baseball board.

Thanks in advance to the volunteer and to the fans of SCAC Baseball who will use the board.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 31, 2005, 04:57:37 PM
Nice return from the break for Trinity and Southwestern.  Seems like both teams had tight ones the second night.  Pretty impressive what Trinity did to Manchester in the first half and a very solid win against a good Dominican with Trinity missing two starters. 

Looks like Ross Burt is back healthy. 

Great win for Centre.  The conference needs some more like that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 02, 2006, 08:43:38 PM
Can anybody out there give me updates on the Hendrix-Ozarks game?  Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 02, 2006, 09:17:16 PM
Aerie,
According to the Hendrix website, Hendrix leads 54-38 in the second half. Do not know how much time is remaining.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2006, 09:29:58 PM
Hendrix 74 UOz 53 now.   Who is not playing for UOz??

That is totally uncharacteristic!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 02, 2006, 09:40:39 PM
Hendrix 81, Ozarks 57 - Final
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madison on January 02, 2006, 09:48:15 PM
Yes! Go Warriors!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2006, 09:57:53 PM
Here is the box score for Hendrix over a good Howard Payne team in Brownwood.

http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/05_06/hpu.htm

Here is the Hendrix box score for tonight.

http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/stats.aspx?gs=76

It appears that Hendrix just shut 'em down tonight!!!

Good win for the Warriors (in-region)!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on January 03, 2006, 06:31:08 PM
This was a really good and a very hard fought game till the buzzer.  Hendrix could never let up because this team was working hard to win.  The refs let the game get out of control for a time which made for a physically rough and rowdy game.  Hopefully the trip to Millsap this weekend will prove to be another win for the Warriors.  Coach Priest and Coach McCraken were on their feet most of the game rallying their team on. 

While in Jackson, we are hoping to hit Schimmels since the Subway Lounge is closed.  Anyone else know of some good eats or delta blues clubs that are worth visiting in Jackson?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 03, 2006, 11:01:27 PM
According to the scoreboard, Oglethorpe defeats Millsaps 93-92 in overtime. Have not seen a box yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 04, 2006, 12:21:58 PM
As a side note to last night's Oglethorpe/Millsaps game, the Majors' Edrick Montgomery broke the SCAC single-game rebound record with 26 boards. The old record was 22 - shared by Fred Garner of Fisk (vs. Stillman - 2/11/1992) and Ryan Vickers of Oglethorpe (vs. Ferrum - 11/18/1995).

Box score:
http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/mcou.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 04, 2006, 01:52:27 PM
And in that same OU/MC game, Oglethorpe's Josh Burr became the league's all-time leader in three-point field goals made. He now has 265 for his career.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 04, 2006, 03:38:16 PM
It must have been a great game at OU.  Josh Burr sets an SCAC career record and Edrick Montgomery breaks the oldest single game record in the SCAC.  Aside from a double-double in points and rebounds, Montgomery had a double-double that must be extremely rare in NCAA basketball at any level--11 offensive rebounds and 15 defensive rebounds.  (By the way, sometimes records fall in overtime games because of the added time but in this case the 26 rebounds came in 33 minutes of playing time.)

I've never seen a closer box score for a game:
FG made 33 vs. 32
3 pts made 10 vs. 11
Free throws 16 of 33 vs. 18 of 33
Rebounds 49 each
Assists 20 vs 19
Turnovers 18 each

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on January 06, 2006, 08:07:00 PM
Does anybody know if there is a live webcast of the Sewanee vs Trinity game tonight.  If not, any updates or game stats would be appreciated.  Thanks.

FOTG
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 06, 2006, 08:37:38 PM
It looks like Justin Parker, the TU SID, is doing updates at the end of each half ... http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on January 06, 2006, 11:09:34 PM
Final:

Trinity 75
Sewanee 72



No details yet
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 07, 2006, 12:06:14 AM
All scores and stats from tonight (1/6) posted on SCAC website:
http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 07, 2006, 08:44:10 AM
Millsaps won over Hendrix 84-78 in OT Friday night.  It was close throughout and obviously both teams had a good opportunity to win since it was an OT game.  These are two teams who have come a long way in a hurry.  On the Hendrix team I was really impressed with 6'6" freshman Andrew King.  The box score has him with 20 points (on 8 of 9 shooting) and 7 rebounds.  Millsaps has a history of shortchanging players on both teams in the stats when it comes to rebounds, assists, blocks, etc., so I wouldn't be surprised if King actually had a double-double. 

For Millsaps Tyler Warren had 27 points and really took charge in the OT period.  Edrick Montgomery was the only other players in double figures with 20 and he officially had 10 rebounds but I think that unofficially the number was a good bit higher.  Coach Wise went deeper into his bench during this game with 9 players getting double-digit minutes.  One of the things that kept this game close was the dismal 3 for 17 shooting Millsaps had from 3-point range (compared to 8 of 18 for Hendrix).  Part of it was just a sub-par shooting performance and some of it has to be credited to the Hendrix defense--I don't remember us getting a lot of wide open looks.

Defensively, Millsaps seemed to play hard but Hendrix shot 47% from the field and 44% from 3-point range.  Hendrix has been one of the top shooting teams in the league but those numbers are right in line with the Millsaps season average which ranks at or near the bottom of the league.  Since very few college teams play a zone defense any more, that's probably not the answer but I think we have the talent to be a good defensive team and for some reason we are having a lot of trouble stopping the other teams.  I'm fairly confident that these defensive numbers will improve one way or another as the season progresses.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 07, 2006, 10:44:39 AM
One more note regarding the Millsaps-Hendrix game.  My impression has always been that Tyler Warren is far more concerned with wins than stats, but the 27 points last night bumped him up several notches on a couple of list. 

He moved into the 10th spot for points scored at Millsaps by passing Zack Wallace, Torrance Shelton, and David Chancellor.  On the all-time SCAC scoring list he moved up 4 spots to 39th, passing recent SCAC stars Jason Smith, Sean Devins, Jeremy Bettis, plus Zack Wallace.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 07, 2006, 12:22:25 PM
Trinity's bench won the game against Millsaps last night.  Brandon York was the leading scorer in the unexpectedly close game, with 27 points in just 19 minutes, Mike Gilb added 12 in 13 minutes.  Those two went 15-21, the rest of the team was 14-51 as Andy Bates and Jay Riola suffered through an uncharacteristic 0-13 shooting nite.  Ross Burt had 15 boards and 12 points.   Sewanee got 19 from Joey Garcia, 13 points/11 rebounds from Ben Campbell, 15 points from Spencer Rowland. 

Gilb's 12 points were a season high; he'd scored a total of 22 points in 11 prior appearances this season.  York's 27 was also a season high. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on January 07, 2006, 10:16:37 PM
Rose-Hulman enters the conference win column this evening with a 69-52 victory over the Tigers of DePauw in Terre Haute.

Munchie Muskeyvalley scored a career high 28 to lead the Engineers (5-8, 1-2). Muskeyvalley also dished out 8 assists. Jared Moore chipped in 16.

DePauw got two in double figures as Austin Brown and Stephen Schott scored 11 and 12 points, respectively. The Tigers fell to 5-8 overall and 1-2 in the SCAC.

Rose returns to league play hostin both Sewanee and Centre next weekend at Hulbert Arena.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on January 07, 2006, 11:09:22 PM
Ron, Trinity beat Sewanee not Millsaps, and I think you are wrong when you say the game was unexpectedly close.  Playing on the mountain top on a Friday night is one of the toughest places to play in the league.  Sewanee plays so hard, particularly up there.  Great win for Trinity. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 08, 2006, 06:06:26 PM
I see that the Millsaps-Rhodes game hasn't been listed on the SCAC Scoreboard.  Millsaps won by about 15, maybe something like 90 to 75.  In the first half Rhodes had the lead most of the way and Millsaps hit a 3-pointer at the buzzer to cut the lead to 40-39 at the break.  In the second half Millsaps pulled away and built a lead of about 20. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on January 13, 2006, 05:46:43 PM
Hendrix beat Rhema Bible College Tuesday night.  Freshman sensation Andrew King was the high scorer finishing with his fourth double double of the season.  Matt Secrease, who is currently ranked 3rd in the nation in freethrows, finished with 11 points.  The fiesty Warriors will play at Rhodes College tommorrow at 5 following the girls game at 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on January 13, 2006, 08:53:26 PM
Halftime

Rose-Hulman 39, Sewanee 36

Jason Bednarko leads the Engineers with 10 points. Kenton Coleman, Mike Forster, and Ben Campbell each have 6 points for the Tigers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 13, 2006, 10:24:35 PM
Sounded like a great game in Greencastle tonight...Centre holds on for 90-88 double-overtime win after DePauw's Alex Stewart hits three-pointers at the end of regulation and the first overtime to extend the game.

Rose-Hulman defeats Sewanee 80-52.

9:30 to go in the game:
Trinity 47, Oglethorpe 40

Halftime score:
Southwestern 43, Millsaps 19
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 13, 2006, 11:10:52 PM
Trinity survives against Oglethorpe, 60-57 despite shooting 7-20 from the free throw line.  Eric Dickinson scored 16 for OU, James Lake had 14 for Trinity.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 14, 2006, 10:59:58 AM
Millsaps was killed by Southwestern in a game that might have been even worse than the final 88-65 score sounds.  I say that because the halftime score was 43-19.  The game numbers are pretty bad, the seasonal numbers are worse.

For the game, Millsaps made 37% (22-58) of their FGs compared to 55% (32-58)for SW.  On 3-pointers it was 14% (2-14) compared to 37% (10-27).  The bench scoring was even worse with Millsaps subs hit 19% (3-16) compared to 52% for SW, with the 3-pointers being 0% (0-8) compared to 38% (6-16).

For the year Millsaps is shooting a respectable 45%, 6th in the league and not much behind league leading DePauw at 47.3%.  On 3-point shooting Millsaps is 8th in the league at 33.3% but that isn't much behind Southwestern who ranks 3rd in the league at 36.4%.  So Millsaps is a decent shooting team that shot poorly last night--let's give credit to the Southwestern defense.

The Millsaps problems come at the other end of the court.  Opposing teams are hitting 47.7% against Millsaps and 41% behind the arc.  Those numbers rank 9th and 10th in the SCAC. 

Two years ago Millsaps went with a starting lineup of 5 small guards.  The team was short, not particularly athletic, and there was no depth.  It's not surprising that the 2003-04 team FG defense was 48%, 10th in the SCAC.  Last year, Millsaps was bigger, more athletic, and they had more depth but they were very young.  That team had a defensive FG percentage of 47.2%, 10th in the SCAC.  This year's team is basically last year's team with a year of experience.  The FG defense is 47.7%, 9th in the SCAC.  I wish I knew the answer to this problem but I don't.  I just hope the team comes up with a solution over the course of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on January 14, 2006, 10:41:57 PM
What is Millsap's record at home this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on January 14, 2006, 11:09:22 PM
Millsaps is 5-1 at home this season, including a 2-0 mark in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 15, 2006, 08:53:30 AM
Sometimes a question is a question and sometimes it is a statement poised as a question.  If you go to the SCAC home page for Men's basketball and then click on "Team-Individual Stats", you will be able to see how each team has done at home, away and on neutral courts.

For example, you'll find that Sewanee is the only SCAC team with a losing record at home but they are close at 4-5 at home while they are winless on the road.  Or, you'll find that the other road losses by Hendrix came at OU which is 6-1 at home and Rhodes which is 5-1 at home.  Or, you'll find that in conference play Hendrix is 2-0 at home and 0-3 on the road.  I don't think these records tell us anything that we don't already know--for all teams at all levels, it is easier to win at home than it is to win a game on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on January 15, 2006, 01:04:01 PM
Like the rest of you, I love a good ball game and I love for my team to win.  But, that doesn't always happen at home or away.

With that said, I will say that the game last night at Rhodes was a really good competition. I hated that we lost, but enjoyed watching Rami---he was a hot shooter and couldn't seem to miss anything.  Rhodes also had a couple of kids that hit the 1000 point mark.  It's hard not to clap for these players when they do such extroidianry things----even if they don't play for your team.   I didn't expect Rhodes to be an easy team, just because of their ranking.  They played well against division 1 ASU in an exhibition game in the preseason.  Hendrix freshman John Paul Noland continued to shoot well last night and was the top scorer followed by freshman Andrew King and Matt Secrease who started the game with a nice three.  It was a good game, well called and a large crowd.  Just too bad that we lost.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 15, 2006, 03:48:06 PM
Led by Andy Bates' 21 points and 11 boards, Trinity (11-4, 4-1 SCAC) defeats Millsaps 85-76.  Ross Burt and Brandon York added 17 each.  Trinity trailed 39-37 at the half but shot 62.5% in the second stanza to secure the win.  The Tigers also enjoyed a 32-12 advantage at the free throw line.

Rodney Rogan led the Majors with 19 points and 8 rebounds, Edrick Montgomery had 15 and 8, and both Tyler Warren and Lorenzo Bailey scored 13.  With the loss, Millsaps falls to 8-7, 2-3 SCAC.

Rose-Hulman (7-8, 3-2) defeats Centre (9-5, 2-3), 71-60.  Munchie Muskeyvalley had 19 points and 6 assists to lead the Engineers.   Centre's Reggie Magnusson led all scorers with 22 points, of which 16 came from the charity stripe. 

Southwestern (12-4, 4-1) remains tied with Trinity for the conference lead with an 82-69 win over Oglethope (9-6, 3-2).   The box isn't up yet. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 17, 2006, 03:46:02 PM
Maryville is set to continue its domination of the SCAC, sewanee is the scots next victim, should be  a blowout, can't wait to see the results, get ready SCAC maybe you will send your conference champ to maryville again this year to get run in the NCAA tourney
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2006, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 17, 2006, 03:46:02 PM
Maryville is set to continue its domination of the SCAC, sewanee is the scots next victim, should be  a blowout, can't wait to see the results, get ready SCAC maybe you will send your conference champ to maryville again this year to get run in the NCAA tourney

Yeah, beating the SCAC's last place team really says a lot, doesn't it? 

And when, exactly, did you "run" the SCAC champion in the tournament? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2006, 01:21:44 AM
Methinks Matt doesn't know how to spell "SLIAC."
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on January 18, 2006, 10:18:05 PM
Rose-Hulman travels to Atlanta and Jackson this weekend for two very tough road games against Ogelthorpe and Millsaps. Both of those clubs are very good at home (Combined 11-2), so the Engineers have their work cut out for them.

One encouraging thought heading into this weekend's contests, is the basketball Rose is starting to play. It truly is a totally different club than we saw when they dropped their first two conference contests on the road to Hendrix and Rhodes. They are getting more consistent scoring from leader Munchie Muskeyvalley, Jared Moore is becoming a very good all-around players, Brennan Dunville is starting to become a nice post presence, Lorenzo Rice is really settling down in his first season of collegiate basketball, and Jason Bednarko has been providing solid minutes and helping to run the offense smoothly.

Alot will be evident about how improved this club is after this weekend. Can't wait!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 11:18:31 PM
For the sake of QOWI, Sewanee picked up a great win over Maryville!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 19, 2006, 09:30:20 AM
yeah well, you can still send your SCAC champ to maryville
Lightning tends to strike in the game bball around this time of year
this could be considered a rivalry game for the scots since sewanee is the closest D3 school to maryville or a great choke job by the scots
anyway you look at it, the scots are not worried by any descent team from the SCAC
and no pat i can spell SLIAC, I am good friends with Webster's coach, they did steal him from Maryville, same with ASC, the Ozarks head coach spent time at Maryville
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 19, 2006, 11:53:54 AM
Does talking trash ever accomplish anything other than making the trash talker look foolish? 

Last night's game just proved what most of us already knew--regardless of their overall record, it is always a mistake to overlook Sewanee when they are playing on their home court.  Congratulatons to Sewanee for knocking off the Scots who came into the game with a 14-2 record and a #27 ranking.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on January 19, 2006, 07:51:24 PM
Regarding Sewanee, is Eddy coming back this year?  I really think that they have a pretty solid group if he comes back. 

As Frank said, they are tough on the mountaintop.  The visiting team often fills up on too much food at the Smokehouse. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snowbird on January 19, 2006, 11:42:13 PM
Chris Eddy came back abot 4 game ago...played really well for 10 minutes & reinjured his leg. Don't know if/when he'll play again. Also, our "blue collar/workhorse"(Ben Farmer w/ best baby hook in SCAC) is out indefinately. Maybe it'll all come togather in Memphis. Anyway, Sewanee really needed a win & Maryville must have surely been overlooking them. I thought they looked & played a lot like Trinity who Sewanee played within three points.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ohyeah on January 20, 2006, 11:18:14 AM
delete!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on January 21, 2006, 01:16:50 AM
Rose-Hulman continued their hot streak of basketball with a 75-69 win at Oglethorpe this evening. Munchie Muskeyvalley, fresh off a share of the league player of week honors, lead the Engineer scoring attack with 20 points, while Brennan Dunville added 14.

Oglethorpe got 19 from league scoring leader Eric Dickinson in a losing cause. Andrew Tulowitzky and Terry Bailey also reached double figures with 16 and 11 points respectively.

Rose improves to 8-8 overall and 4-2 in the SCAC and will travel to Millsaps on Sunday. Ogelthorpe fell to 9-7 overall and 3-3 in the conference with the loss, as they will host DePauw on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 21, 2006, 08:18:48 AM
RHIT was the only road team to win last night.  Other scores were:
Millsaps 89 -- DePauw 83
Trinity 87 -- Rhodes 79
Southwestern 65 -- Hendrix 63

The game of the night was probably the game at Southwestern.  Hendrix was up 63-59 with 32 seconds to play and Southwestern didn't regain the lead until they got an offensive rebound on a missed free throw and then hit a shot at the 7 second mark.

At Millsaps, it was an offensive shootout.  DePauw shot 64% from the field and 53% on their 3's.  Millsaps shot 54% from the field and 50% on their 3's.  Millsaps used 13 players in the game and just about all of them played in both halfs with 5 ended up in double figures.  Allen Odum had 10, maybe all in the first 5 minutes to keep Millsaps in contact early.  Lorenzo Bailey had 10 on 4 of 6 shooting and he added 5 assists.  Rodney Rogan had 16 (and 6 assists) and was the offensive spark to start the second half.  Edrick Montgomery wasn't 100% but he came off the bench for 19 in 22 minutes.  Tyler Warren also had 19 and as usual he was clutch down the stretch. 

Just about everyone else contributed in some way.  Justin LeBlanc scored 7 and  took at least 2 charges--he must be the SCAC all-time leader in that category.  I remember a key offensive rebound by Brad Greenhaw and an impressive tip-in by Russell Booth.  It was nice to see a game with so many players having a hand in the victory.  And with RHIT on a hot streak, it was nice to get this win to open up the weekend--Millsaps will have to pick up their game if they want to finish this weekend with an Indiana sweep.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 21, 2006, 11:25:02 AM
Sewanee-Maryville has been a pretty good rivalry for years, although being in different conferences sort of undermines it some.  I hope someday the alignment of these conferences will make more geographic sense.  And congrats to the Tigers, who proved again why they actually play the games!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2006, 02:50:18 PM
Trinity defeats Hendrix 81-66.  Andy Bates shot 8-10 on his way to a game-high 20 points, James Lake added 18 (6-of-8), and Ross Burt chipped in 17 and a game-high 10 boards.  Hendrix (9-8, 2-5 SCAC) got 15 from Andrew King (5-of-6), 12 each from Matt Secrease and John Paul Noland.  The Tigers hit 10-20 from beyond the arc in the win as Burt was 4-4.  TU improves to 6-1 SCAC (13-4 overall) and will remain tied with Southwestern, who demolished Rhodes by a count of 116-67 to up their record to 14-4, 6-1 SCAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on January 22, 2006, 02:53:49 PM
Rose-Hulman 62, Millsaps 61

Munchie Muskeyvalley scores a bucket in the lane with 5 seconds remaining to send the Engineers to their 5th straight victory. David Yarachefski added 10 points off the bench. Brennan Dunville had 10 points.

Muskeyvalley finished with a game and career high 29 points.

Millsaps lead by as many as 16 in the 2nd half.

Rose-Hulman moves to 5-2 in the SCAC and 9-8 overall.
Millsaps falls to 3-4 and 9-8.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on January 22, 2006, 09:35:19 PM
Important homestand in store for Rose-Hulman next weekend as both Trinity and Southwestern come to Terre Haute.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2006, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: Rose Basketball on January 22, 2006, 09:35:19 PM
Important homestand in store for Rose-Hulman next weekend as both Trinity and Southwestern come to Terre Haute.

Rose can lock in the top seed this weekend! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on January 22, 2006, 10:51:53 PM
There are too many conference games left to play for anyone to lock up the top seed next weekend. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2006, 11:07:56 PM
Quote from: Fan of the Game on January 22, 2006, 10:51:53 PM
There are too many conference games left to play for anyone to lock up the top seed next weekend. 

I did not say lock up.  ;)

Sorry for the imprecision.  RHIT can move into a 3-way tie for first with the tie-breaker advantage by defeating SU and Trinity next weekend. :)

Then they control their destiny. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 23, 2006, 09:10:05 AM
Millsaps had the last shot in the game, a layup taken between two RHIT players who were both aggressively trying to block the shot.  From my viewpoint, it was a play that would have been a foul in the first 39:50 of a game and maybe in the first 39:55 of a game.  But, not many officials are going to make a call that results in free throws deciding the game with no time on the clock and I'm not surprised that Millsaps didn't get the call on their home court.

That being said, Millsaps actually lost the game long before the layups on either end and an official's call on the last play shouldn't have been the deciding moment in the game.  As has been pointed out, Millsaps lead by 16 in the second half.  RHIT did an outstanding job in the last 10 minutes of chipping away at the lead, hitting just about all of their free throws, and Munchie put on a great individual show.  Millsaps might have tried to milk the clock a little too much down the stretch and they didn't get a lot of good looks at the basket. 

Since Millsaps doesn't travel to Indiana this year, the weekend left Millsaps with a head-to-head advantage over DePauw and they lost the tie breaker to RHIT.  We'll see if that is a big factor down the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 25, 2006, 01:59:45 PM
Is there anyone out there who wants to give a "State of the Season" comment on their team?  With half of the SCAC season completed, things are coming into focus for the 2005-06 BB season.

Regarding Millsaps, I think the focus has to be on getting the 4th or 5th seed at the SCAC tournament.  Looking at the remaining schedule, there seems to be no remaining game more important than this Sat.'s home game with OU.  Both teams are 3-4 and OU won in Atlanta so an OU win this week would give them a 1-game lead plus the tiebreaker.  It would be hard for Millsaps to catch OU in the remaining 6 games.

The winner of the Millsaps-OU game goes to 4-4.  From there it would take some work but it's possible to finish 7-7 for the season or, with good luck and great playing, they might get to 8-6 (the remaining 6 games are hosting TU and SW and road trips to Hendrix, Rhodes, Centre and Sewanee).  The losing team this Saturday will have to play well just to make the tournament considering the 4 road games remaining and hosting the top two teams in the conference.  I hope Millsaps can find a way to get some fans out to a 3pm Saturday game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on January 25, 2006, 07:33:57 PM
Hendrix is ending the season with most of their games at home.  They will play Centre  and Sewanne at home this weekend, then head out to Indiana for the next two, then play the remaining three at home.  Although the Warriors have descended in the standings, I look for them to rise again here at the close.  Their loss at Southwestern was heartbreaking but showed that this troupe of young men are true Warriors in every sense of the word.  Andrew King has been a powerhouse this season.  I wonder if any other freshman in the SCAC has had such a successful and strong start as King this year.  Matt Secrease is continuing to score as is newcomer John Paul Noland.  Hendrix looks good, if I do say so myself.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 25, 2006, 10:09:29 PM
Oglethorpe 93, Maryville 88 - OT
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on January 25, 2006, 10:28:30 PM
If you would have asked Rose-Hulman coach Jim Shaw how his team is playing after his club dropped a 66-60 decision to Tri-State on Conseco Fieldhouse on December 30th, he probably would have spent 15 minutes going over all the things that are wrong with the Engineers. The defense was still pretty solid, but offense was nowhere to be found. Rose was already 0-2 in the SCAC, stumbling out of the gate by dropping two in a row on the road to both Hendrix and Rhodes.

However, since that loss at Conseco, the Engineers have rattled off 5 straight to begin the "real" conference schedule, and now find themselves in 3rd place, just a game back of league leaders Trinity and Southwestern. What has been the difference? It's hard to say. Probably a combination of alot of things. Guys are starting to understand their roles alot better, and Munchie Muskeyvalley has turned up his game a notch during conference play.

Rose starts 2 seniors, 1 junior, 1 sophomore, and 1 freshman. The seniors, Raymond "Munchie" Muskeyvalley and Brennan Dunville pace the Engineers in scoring at 14.9 and 11.0, respectively. Muskeyvalley has shown the ability to take over games throughout his entire career at Rose, and he did just that last week as Rose-Hulman rallied from 16 down to defeat Millsaps on the road. Dunville has been a consistent post presence, using his athletic ability to his advantage at opportune times.

Junior Jason Bednarko and sophomore Jared Moore, the only two players to start every game for Rose this season, both have provided solid defensive games during the current 5-game streak. Moore has always been the lockdown defender, routinely guarding the opponent's top athlete or scorer, while Bednarko is counted on to provide ball-handling, strength at the guard spot, and outside shooting. His defense, however, has steadily improved as the season progressed and he too is becoming a player that while on the floor, provides a variety of good things. Freshman Lorenzo Rice, the final starter, has started to feel much more comfortable in the offense and has been using his great rebounding ability and athleticism as another scoring option for a Rose team struggling to put points on the board.

Rose-Hulman has also gotten strong bench play recently from the likes of David Yarachefski, Ron George, and Shane McCue. Yarachefski specifically, as he averaged 13 ppg during the last road trip.

This Rose team is lights years above the team we saw from Decemeber 2nd through December 30th, when they lost 5 of 7 and fell to 4-8 overall. But, that doesn't mean that things will continue be all roses. With both Trinity and Southwestern coming to town this weekend, the Engineers' hopes of a regular season title could take a major hit with two losses. A split would be very nice and a sweep, though unlikely and very tough, would be amazing.

Looking at the remaining conference schedule outside of Trinity and Southwestern, there is a good possibility of 4, possibly 5, more wins in there. That's not counting the non-conference contest against Robert Morris of Springfield, Illinois.

I am excited about the way this club is playing right now, but at the same time, I know things can fall back to the way they were just as fast. Rose must stay focused and continue to play good basketball. If they do that, it could be an exciting finish to the season. I think we will know alot more about where this team stands after this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on January 25, 2006, 11:14:47 PM
I would be interested in mattgrub's comments on the Oglethorpe win over Maryville. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 26, 2006, 09:27:28 AM
In all fairness to Matt and Maryville, maybe it's only the SCAC champions that they run out of town--they just seem to have trouble with the 2 thru 10 teams.

Thanks for the updates on Hendrix and RHIT.  I'll agree 100% with the comment that Andrew King of Hendrix is a heck of a freshman and a big star to be in this league and with the comment that Munchie has the ability to take over a game on the offensive end.  From the one game I saw, I think RHIT might still improve during the season by fine tuning the balance between the times that Munchie takes over and the times that the others are involved in the offense.  That's a difficult balancing act for teams at all levels with maybe the best example I know being Allen Iverson and the 76ers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 26, 2006, 12:56:21 PM
I will not comment for MattGrubb.  But I did see the game and posted on the GSAC board.

Congrats to Oglethorpe for taking it to the Scots.  Good game plan, well executed.  MC did not play well, but Oglethorpe did.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on January 27, 2006, 08:51:53 PM
HALFTIME

Trinity 44, Rose-Hulman 33

Rose Burt (T), 19 points
James Lake (T), 14 points

Munchie Muskeyvalley (R), 12 points
Brennan Dunville (R), 10 points

The Tigers have connected on NINE three-point field goals in the 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on January 27, 2006, 09:41:00 PM
FINAL

Trinity 77, Rose-Hulman 55

TRINITY (14-4, 7-1)

Burt, 23 points (9-16 FG)
Lake, 17 points

ROSE-HULMAN (9-9, 5-3)

Muskeyvalley, 19 points
Dunville, 15 points


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 28, 2006, 07:03:42 PM
Millsaps 83, Oglethorpe 69

In a game that was about as "must win" as you can get at the midway point in the season, Millsaps took a double-digit lead in the first half and was able to keep a lead in the 10-20 point range for the entire second half.  I don't have a stat sheet from the game but it followed the typical pattern:  Edrick Montgomery with a lot of rebounds, Rodney Rogan with a solid game all around, Tyler Warren with a bunch of clutch shots, Lorenzo Bailey with some deadly outside shooting, etc., etc.  OU seemed like they couldn't miss a free throw for most of the game and if you left a man open he would drill a 3. 

With the win, Millsaps is just a Munchie M. missed layup away from being in 3rd place in the SCAC.  But, Munchie did make the layup and Millsaps is in the middle of the SCAC at #5 with some tough games to go.  For the remainder of the season Millsaps has road games to Sewanee, Centre, Rhodes and Hendrix and they host Trinity and Southwestern.  I doubt that anyone would rate us heavy favorites in any of those games but I'd like to think that going 3-3 for the rest of the season isn't out of the question and that would give Millsaps a decent seed in the SCAC Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 30, 2006, 01:52:07 PM
Millsaps took an easy win over LaGrange Sunday.  Millsaps looked flat for most of the first half but they were up by 10 at halftime and stayed in control the rest of the way.  Tyler Warren had 18, Rodney Rogan had a perfect shooting night (5 of 5 FG, 3 of 3 FT) for 13 points and Edrick Montgomery added 11 points and 17 rebounds.  Allen Odum, Justin LeBlanc and Lorenzo Bailey just missed double figures with 9, 9 and 8 points respectively.

From a Millsaps prospective, I hated to see the DePauw win over Trinity.  Millsaps and DePauw are now tied in the win column with Millsaps having the tiebreaker. 

Sewanee got a much needed road win at Rhodes and now they will have 4 home games to try and climb out of the 9th spot in the league.  I imagine they feel like they need 3 out of 4 wins at home (vs. Millsaps, OU, DePauw and RHIT) to get into the SCAC Tournament since they finish on the road in Texas. 

Rhodes goes to Indiana this weekend and that is followed up by a trip to Hendrix.  If they don't get a win on the road it might not be enough that they host OU and Millsaps on the last weekend.  I'm sure Hendrix would like to find a win in Indiana this week and hopefully have a 2 game lead on Rhodes prior to the Rhodes-Hendrix matchup.

As for the top of the league, it looks like Southwestern and Trinity are going to be hard to knock out of the top two seeds and Centre is looking pretty good at #3 with 4 home games coming up against the 4 teams that are directly below them in the standings.  They certainly would be viewed as the favorite in the race for the 3rd spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 01, 2006, 12:58:15 PM
RHODES' GONDA; OGLETHORPE'S CHURCHWELL; SEWANEE'S HARRIGAN HIGHLIGHT SOUTHERN COLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE'S 15TH ANNIVERSARY MEN'S BASKETBALL TEAM

SUWANEE, Ga. – Rhodes College guard Mike Gonda, Oglethorpe University forward Russ Churchwell and Sewanee-University of the South center Ryan Harrigan highlight an impressive list of past standouts named to the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference's 15th Anniversary men's basketball team.

For complete release, click link:
http://www.scac-online.org/anniversary15
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 03, 2006, 01:28:16 PM
Hard to argue with the SCAC 15th Anniversary team.  While I didn't think Chuchwell should have been POY either of the past two years, I would have him on this team. 

I know that he wasn't eligible but you can't talk about greatest players in SCAC history without talking about Bryan Egli.  He had an unbelievable year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 03, 2006, 04:34:12 PM
I agree that a good job was done in picking the 15th Anniversary team.  One of the "close but no cigar" players must have been Thomas Adams of Millsaps.  An injury during part of his junior year kept him from being at or near the top of the career scoring and rebounding lists in the SCAC.

I was glad to see Phillip Robinson make the team.  Millsaps joined the SCAC after Phillip's freshman year so only 1,370 of Phillip's career total of 1,882 points are included in the SCAC record books. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 03, 2006, 07:22:00 PM
Frank,

I have to agree with you about Thomas Adams.  Had one of the single most dominant seasons in SCAC history the year Millsaps won it.  Absolute killer that year.  Without the injury he would be hard to keep off the list.

Another note about Adams.  He was the victim of perhaps the most punishing "and 1" dunk in SCAC history courtesy of Trinity's Adam Luton. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on February 03, 2006, 10:36:56 PM
Carl,

Brutal!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 03, 2006, 10:49:22 PM
Great win for Trinity tonight.  Still a tough schedule down the stretch but a great win. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on February 03, 2006, 11:13:02 PM
Congrats to the Trinity Tigers for a big road win and the completion of the season sweep of Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 12:36:33 AM
Trinity 68, at Southwestern 64.

http://www.southwestern.edu/athletics/mbb_sched.html

This gives Southwestern a 4th In-Region loss.  Should Southwestern run the conference table to go 16-4 in the South Region pre-tourney, I believe that they will have to win the Tourney to get a bid, because even 18-5 in the South Region may not be good enough for a Pool C bid.

I think that Trinity can get a Pool C bid, with their "3-loss" South Region record, if they run the conference/regular season table and lose in the conference tourney.  Their best "non-Pool A"  South Region record would be as high as 18-3, and include a win over Howard Payne, a good candidate for the ASC Pool A.  That would also give them an advantage, if TU and HPU were competing for a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 04, 2006, 01:09:12 AM
Nice job by Millsaps tonight in a 59-56 win at Centre.
Link to box score below......

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketb_m/box_scores_05-06/cmb-mc56.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob_Lotts on February 04, 2006, 09:00:52 AM
You can through that "Tough to beat on top of the mountain" stuff right out the window!! Oglethorpe turned a 6 point half time lead in a 100-86 whipping of Sewanee on top of the mountain. The best part was how a group of OU students made the 2 hour trip north and took over the gym with a loud and constant chanting the entire game. They were dressed in crazy attire ranging from a Mr. T look alike to a guy wearing a womens dress coat with fur and everything....It was amazing how loud a group of kids can be in small gyms when they sycronize their cheers!! It was a real factor for OU who looked inspired in the 2nd half. Sewanee looked dazed ??? and was constantly looking over to check out what the group was doing the entire game. They effectlivey 'took' over the crowd and it was almost like a home game for the Petrels.

My favorite chant was the two minute long chant " Our House" as most of the Sewanee student section walked out of the gym with more than 7 minutes remaining.....

A very fun atmosphere...

Go Petrels and Good luck in Kentucky!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 04, 2006, 09:04:22 AM
An interesting night in the SCAC when a couple of road teams get a win that ties them in the standings with the host team.  Trinity pulls back in a tie for 1st with their win at Southwestern and Millsaps pulls into a tie for 4th with Centre.  In addition, both winning teams clinch the tiebreaker over their opponent with the win.

While the top two teams are through with conference play for the weekend, Sunday will bring some interesting games for the remaining eight:

--Sewanee is 2-7 and next week they host the Indiana teams and then they finish the regular season in Texas.  Any reasonable shot they have of getting to Memphis has to include a win against Millsaps this Sunday.
--Millsaps had a big win last night and they did it with Edrick Montgomery only playing 20 minutes before fouling out.  A look at the box score shows that Centre shot under 40% which is hopefully a sign that the Millsaps defense is starting to click.  If Millsaps wins at Sewanee that would give them 6 wins with 8-2 Trinity and SW coming to Jackson next week.  For what's it's worth, Millsaps is two buckets away from being tied for 1st, having lost by 1 point to both OU and RHIT.
--Centre needs to pull out all of the stops for a win this Sunday.  On Thursday they were 5-3 and they had a solid chance to move to 7-3 and in the hunt for the SCAC title.  With a loss Sunday, they will be tied with or behind both Millsaps and OU in the standings and they will have lost the tiebreaker to both teams.
--OU came through big on a near must win game at Sewanee.  That snapped a 5-game SCAC losing streak and brought their record to 4-5.  Last night's win probably got OU into the SCAC Tournament and now they have the opportunity to move to the middle of the pack with a win on Sunday. 
--RHIT has a shot at first place in the SCAC if they win their last 4 games and finish 10-4.  With road games at Centre, Sewanee and DePauw on the horizon, will RHIT make the mistake of overlooking Hendrix on a sparsely attended Sunday afternoon game?  Can Hendrix repeat the road effort they had at Southwestern that had them leading going into the final 11 seconds?
--Hendrix will have their focus set by the result of their game this Sunday.  If they lose, they will then need to focus on staying ahead of Sewanee and Rhodes for the 8th spot in the conference.  If they win, they can focus on the middle of the pack teams and trying to climb the conference ladder.
--Rhodes needs to find a way to win at DePauw and that won't be easy.  Rhodes is at 2-8 with a road game to Hendrix and home games against Millsaps and OU.  They will still have a shot at 8th place regardless of the Sunday results but a loss would give them almost no margin for error for the remainder of the season.
--DePauw is playing for a good seed in the SCAC Tournament right now and they don't need to stumble and lose at home to the last place team.  With RHIT and a road game to Centre still on the schedule, DePauw runs the risk of dropping to a 7th or 8th seed if they get upset tomorrow. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snowbird on February 04, 2006, 04:22:00 PM
Bob, I was at the Oglethorpe/Sewanee game. You gave a good pretty good account of how it went down. I was impressed(though frusterated)by the 'thorpe students. They were lively, loud & legal (by that I mean they were well behaved & everything was in good taste). I wonder if you happened to notice that the Sewanee cheering section is not allowed to sit on the bottom row. No need for the opponent to make an NBA trey or dunk to take our crowd out of the game when the administraton does it for them, but you must admit that we were well behaved also. In some games Sewanee looks like a solid 3rd/4th place team to me. Then there are games like last nigh.......oh well, I'm sure Ogelthorpe's defensive intensity had a lot to do with that. One more thing...as far as Sewanee being tough to beat on The Mountain...I talked to the owner of the Smoke House & he invited all visiting teams to drop by about an hour before each game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sewanee#24 on February 05, 2006, 12:45:41 PM
This is my first post as I graduated in May and I played four years, obviously, at Sewanee.  Anyway, this season is typical of the past several Sewanee seasons: seasons that begin brightly and then fade as a blight of injuries sets in.  This season, Chris Eddy, the team's catalyst and best player, has played in just two games: in the first, he played five minutes before reinjuring his hamstring and, then in the Oglethorpe game, he had to be stretched and ride on the bike before reentering the game.  Furthermore, Ben Campbell injured his knee in Indiana and had to have his knee tightly taped and braced, which significantly reduced his mobility.  As it is, Sewanee is relying on a talented but very young group of players and ignoring the impact that a healthy Eddy and Campbell could have on this team is naive at best.

In my opinion, it is quite rash to say, after a single win, "You can [throw] that "Tough to beat on top of the mountain" stuff right out the window!!"  It was an anomaly and should be characterized as befits its nature.  An anomaly that was furthered helped by lingering injuries to, arguably, Sewanee's two best players.  Sewanee always plays well on the mountain and we will continue to do so.

That said, congratulations to the Oglethorpe team as winning on the road in the SCAC is tough under any circumstances and their lively contingent was a welcome addition to a Friday night game.

Speaking of lively crowds, I was especially entertained by the Sewanee crowd's chant of "Safety school" directed toward Oglethorpe's team and cheering section.

Anyway, I will be attending the last two home games, Alumni Game is Saturday, desperately hoping for the sweep that will, potentially, get us into the SCAC tournament at the time when Sewanee teams are typically playing their best.  Yea, Sewanee's right!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACFollower21 on February 05, 2006, 04:12:44 PM
Quote from: Sewanee#24 on February 05, 2006, 12:45:41 PM

Speaking of lively crowds, I was especially entertained by the Sewanee crowd's chant of "Safety school" directed toward Oglethorpe's team and cheering section.


I was also at the game and I was impressed with the Oglethorpe Crowd and not impressed with our crowd the only thing we chanted was "Safety School" which I found funny and clever but we that was all we had and I was a little disapointed in our crowd

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 05, 2006, 05:58:19 PM
It is a pleasant surprise to see Millsaps sweep two road games this weekend.  I'll admit that I thought it was possible but I thought the odds were against it.  I'm glad to be wrong.

I'll also admit that I don't quite get the "Safety School" cheer.  In my limited SCAC travels from a few years back, I thought the DePauw students were the ones who came up with the best comments and cheers.  OU also had a great group of about 10 guys who were great fans and apparently the administration over there pulled the plug on them.  The OU guys were loud and rowdy but I didn't think they ever got out of line and I think the OU adminstration really screwed up in taking the fan support away from the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on February 05, 2006, 10:56:57 PM
Rose-Hulman improved to 11-10 overall and 7-4 in the SCAC with a weekend sweep of Rhodes and Hendrix.

Rose-Hulman 90, Rhodes 66

Munchie Muskeyvalley scored 28 points and all five Engineer starters scored in double figures. Joey Daley lead the Lynx with 19.

Rose-Hulman 82, Hendrix 77

For the second straight game, Rose put all five starters in double figures lead by Brennan Dunville's career-high 23. Andrew King lead the Warriors with 18.

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/mbasket.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 07, 2006, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 05, 2006, 05:58:19 PM
I'll also admit that I don't quite get the "Safety School" cheer. 

I believe a "safety school" is the school of last resort, the one you apply to in case your preferred choices don't accept you (I'm not making that assertion, however).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on February 07, 2006, 05:31:48 PM
As the conference season winds to a close, some important games sit in sight for us this coming weekend. 

The biggest games could affect the top of the standings as both Trinity and Southwestern take to the road at Ogelthorpe and Millsaps, two teams who are a combined 14-5 on their respective home floors.  Rose-Hulman will look to take advantage of a potential loss by the leaders when they too take to the road for a pair against Sewanee and Centre. Those two losses to Rhodes and Hendrix to start the conference season may have cost the Engineers a legit shot at a conference title. Well that, and the two L's suffered at home against Southwestern and Trinity.

DePauw, winners of three straight and playing good basketball as of late, faces the same two-game road trip at Rose-Hulman. A weekend sweep for the Tigers could put them into the Top 4 seeds for the SCAC Tournament at the end of the month.

Rhodes and Hendrix will battle in a VERY important Saturday contest, as both clubs are looking for a victory to gain an advantage at the final spot in the tournament. With three teams sitting at least two games back in the loss column, each game takes on that extra added importance.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 07, 2006, 06:55:30 PM
With two weeks to go there are a variety of scenarios that could happen but the most likely is that you can divide the SCAC into 3 sections:

1) Trinity and Southwestern certainly have control of their destiny.  With road games to Millsaps and OU and home games with Centre and Sewanee, the very worst you would expect is that they finish at 10-4.  Only Millsaps, RHIT and Centre can reach a 10-4 mark and that would take some outstanding playing to win the remainer of their games.  TU and SW as the 1 and 2 seeds seems fairly certain.

2)  RHIT, Centre, DePauw and Millsaps are in a pack that will most likely finish 3-6 in the conference.  RHIT has 7 wins but their remaining games are on the road (Centre, Sewanee and DePauw).  DePauw is a game back with 6 wins but they have the advantage of the home game with RHIT.  Centre has 6 wins and the advantage of hosting RHIT and DePauw but they finish the season on the road in Texas.  Millsaps has the easier road trip remaining (but no road trip is easy), going to Rhodes and Hendrix but their home games are against TU and SW.  I'm not sure if anyone has an advantage in this group of 4.

3)  Barring some unusual results, it looks like the 7 & 8 spots will come from OU, Hendrix, Rhodes and Sewanee.  OU could squeeze in a little higher but things would have to fall perfect for them.  OU and Hendrix are the favorites in this group with Rhodes ready to crash the party.  OU has 4 wins and the same schedule as Millsaps.  Hendrix has 3 wins and 3 home games remaining.  A home win over Rhodes would just about clinch a tournament spot.  On the other hand, a Rhodes win over Hendrix would leave the two teams tied and Rhodes would hold the tiebreaker.  With the schedule they have left, it seems unlikely that Sewanee can reach 4 SCAC wins this season and I think it will take 4 wins to get into the tournament.

SO, while admitting that two weekends is plenty of time for major changes, it looks to me like the SCAC Tournament first round is shaping up to have the Texas teams open up with OU and Hendrix and Millsaps, RHIT, Centre and DePauw matched up some way or another that is just about impossible to predict at this point.  I think that would be a great opening day of basketball and I hope people will make an effort to support the tournament this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on February 07, 2006, 11:28:16 PM
Frank,

I'm with you.  Let's support these true student-athletes for the rest of the regular season games and then have a big turnout in Memphis.  These young men deserve all of our support.  I plan to make as many games in Memphis as possible.  This has been a great year for SCAC basketball.  Who knows, maybe our conference qualifier(s) will  surprise some teams in the NCAA tournament this year.  Go SCAC!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2006, 03:57:43 PM
Trinity is ranked #2 in the initial South Region rankings ... Southwestern is at #7.

South
1. Mississippi College 17-1 19-1
2. Trinity (Texas) 12-2 16-5
3. Virginia Wesleyan 18-3 19-3
4. Fisk 9-2 14-7
5. Howard Payne 15-3 16-3
6. Randolph-Macon 14-5 17-5
7. Southwestern 12-4 16-5
8. Maryville (Tenn.) 13-5 17-5
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sewanee#24 on February 09, 2006, 05:26:50 PM
I haven't seen either of the Indiana teams this year.  So, I was wondering what anyone thought of the chances of Sewanee getting a win or two this weekend? 

Also, is there a particular team (outside of Southwestern and/or Trinity) that seem especially dangerous in the SCAC tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 09, 2006, 06:23:56 PM
If you want an honest answer, the odds of Sewanee getting a win this weekend range from poor to extremely poor.  Personally, I hope they win both games but two things make me think that any win is unlikely.  First, Sewanee lost by 28 and 19 when they went on the road to Indiana.  Second, Sewanee lost at home last weekend by 14 and 16 to OU and Millsaps.  I think most people outside of OU and Millsaps fans would consider the Indiana teams equal to or better than OU and Millsaps.  (And if you want a third reason, from the reports posted here last week it sounds like the Sewanee students have given up on the team.) 

When you ask about dangerous teams, consider the near win by Hendrix at Southwestern this season.  Or consider Trinity squeaking by Sewanee by 3 points earlier in the season.  This year, far more than any year in the past, all teams will be dangerous at the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sewanee#24 on February 09, 2006, 10:54:44 PM
Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately, you are probably right.  Rose-Hulman always play great defense and I think Muskeyvalley, based on previous years, is one of the better players in the conference and DePauw is typically pretty tough and they may be motivated as we beat them pretty bad in Sewanee last year.  All that said, I'll be hoping for a different result. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 11, 2006, 07:52:18 AM
I've reported on every Millsaps home game but I had to think a lot about whether I should post about the Southwestern-Millsaps game.  It's a game where the biggest factor apparently was something that happened prior to tipoff.

Millsaps played the first half without their leading rebounder/scorer (now their second leading scorer).  I like the coach, I like the player, and I have no inkling on the reason for the half game benching.  It's not the first time this has happened this season and each time it happens you can only hope that it is the last.

I once coached a key league game (at no where near the college level) where I had 3 players serving a well deserved 1-game suspension.  Due to a small roster, an injury and multiple foul-outs, we finished the losing effort with 3 players on the court and the 3 eligible but suspended players sitting on the bench. 

That was a situation where I felt like I had no choice regarding the suspensions.  I could not ignore the infraction and allow the players to play.  On the other hand, I recognized that the suspension was punishing the players who had done nothing wrong by giving them less of a chance to win.  All in all, this was one of the most difficult decisions and most unpleasant situations in 20 plus years of coaching.

Would Millsaps have won the game if they had played at full strength?  I think they would have but we'll never know.  What we do know is that a win would have put them in 3rd place and only a game out of 2nd with a chance on Sunday to make that just one game out of 1st.  It was a lost opportunity and I hope it is a situation that doesn't linger and damage the remainder of the season.  It was a game that could be a turning point in either a positive or a negative direction--I guess we'll know more on that when Trinity comes to town on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on February 11, 2006, 11:41:46 AM
The night before the finals of the state tournament, one of our players was out after curfew, running the halls and getting into mischief.  He was allowed to play, but played poorly.  May have been attitude, may have been being tired...who knows.  Anyway, he only scored two points.  But, those were the two final points that sent the game into overtime and set us up for the win.  I really think it depends on the stakes of the game and the team.  Sometimes it might motivate a team to step up, sometimes it works against the grain.  Hendrix has had it's share of this the last couple of years, too.  This has really hurt our team.  I feel for the coaches because they have such a huge responsibility when traveling with these kids. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 12, 2006, 05:13:00 PM
Southwestern upset by Oglethorpe today, 74-58 (http://www.oglethorpe.edu/apps/athletics/recap.asp?ID=1142&yr=2006-2007&sp=BK&t=M).  Trinity got by Millsaps 88-80 to effectively take a two-game (one+2-0 h/h tiebreaker) lead with two games remaining in the regular season.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 12, 2006, 06:54:58 PM
Millsaps and Trinity were tied at 71 with 4:34 to go and Trinity was only up 79-76 with 1:10 to go.  I haven't seen a box score yet but I think the box score will show that Millsaps had a below par shooting game just as they did on Friday.  I don't think it was the defensive pressure that caused the poor shooting as much as possibly the pressure of the game.  Against teams like SW and TU there is less margin of error and maybe that knowledge had some bearing on the poor shooting percentage.

Thanks to the Rhodes win over Hendrix, Millsaps locked up a spot in the SCAC Tournament.  Last year the Millsaps team played like their lives depended on winning the first tournament game and consequently they played a terrible game.  If this year's team can go to Memphis and play loose and relaxed, they have a real shot at playing on Sunday and possibly beyond.  Hopefully they will get back on track with wins on the road at Hendrix and Rhodes next weekend, two teams still fighting for a spot in the SCAC Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 12, 2006, 08:12:49 PM
Frank was great company during the ladies' game.  I'm surprised the shooting issue didn't come up between him and me.  I was ripping my hair out over the Millsaps shooting.  They didn't get too many good looks at the basket, but rather seemed to be jumping higher than the tigers today and seemed to hit jumper after jumper from about 8-10 feet.  TU had defenders there but couldn't stop a trio of guys that took turns getting hot.  What got the Tigers over the hump though was the height advantage I thought.  I rarely saw the Majors get a rebound.

The Tigers had to come back from 6 point or greater deficits on three separate occasions during the game.  With no one that could camp out under the goal, TU's ball movement was extremely impressive and I don't think they played all that badly despite being a little flat.   I thought the Majors stayed in there just because they seemed to be shooting so well.  Maybe Frank is talking about late in the game.   

He's a good guy, and an even better supporter of MC sporting events. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on February 13, 2006, 01:51:28 AM
I thought the Trinity defense did make a big difference in the Millsaps game.  Trinity is one of the best 3 point defending teams in the conference (Millsaps shot .182 from 3 point land).  Trinity also has the league leading shot blocker in Andy Bates (2 blocks against Millsaps on top of 4 at Oglethorpe).  Trinity also has a bunch of good 3 point shooters this year in Ross Burt, Mitch Walker, Brandon York, James Lake, and Andy Bates.  In the Millsaps game they combined for 9-20 (.450). 

I must say that Rodney Rogan is a very impressive player.  Trinity had a difficult time guarding him in the paint and if this game was typical, he's got a lot of range on his shot.  I also want to compliment Tyler Warren's game.  He does so many positive things on the floor that don't make it to the stats. 

On a different subject, does anyone know why Southwestern lost by such a big margin to Oglethorpe?   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 13, 2006, 08:58:55 AM
Regarding the Millsaps shooting, I was thinking mostly about the 3-point shooting which was a dismal 4 of 22.  Having watched these guys all year, I thought they were taking shots they normally hit with a higher frequency.  However, I will concede that TU's ability to run 6'6" guys out to contest just about all of the 3-point shots certainly may have been a factor.

Millsaps did shoot 50% for the game, a number that was helped by Edrick Montgomery's 8 of 9 shooting.  The only person who can really stop Edrick from scoring is Edrick.  There are times when he plays great defense without picking up any fouls and at other times he picks up fouls in a hurry and has to sit too much.  If Edrick stays out of foul trouble for 3 games in Memphis then Millsaps will have a great shot at winning the tournament.

Regarding sophomore Rodney Rogan, he averaged 23 points and 9 rebounds in the two games this weekend.  Those are certainly Player of the Week numbers but unfortunately Millsaps lost both games.  He reminds me so much of Daniel Waguespack because he does everything so well on both ends of the court.  I find it hard to believe that Rodney won't be 1st team SCAC at some point in the future and possibly the Player of the Year.  And I still feel that he is playing out of position at the 4 spot and that he really should be at the 3 if only Millsaps can get in a couple of big men.

As for Fan of the Game's comments about Tyler Warren, thank you for noticing.  He's a San Antonio guy who got away from Trinity and he has had a great career at Millsaps.  Millsaps has a lot of really talented players this year but Tyler is the heart and soul of this team and he is the player to look for in crunch situations.

And finally, I really enjoyed meeting TU2698.  I have a feeling that the students and alums at all of the SCAC schools are basically a pretty good lot and our conversation Sunday just added to my belief.  Sometimes the athletes' parents are a little hard to take (I've known my share of Millsaps parents in this category) but I think they can basically plead temporary insanity that lasts until their kids graduate college.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 13, 2006, 09:50:30 AM
I know that was long (as is my tendency) so just a brief additional note.  Tyler Warren now has 1,304 points and is 3 points away from being in the top 5 scorers in Millsaps history.  It certainly is an accomplishment worth noting.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 13, 2006, 10:47:31 AM
Great weekend for Trinity.  Now they head home for Senior Weekend with a chance to win the conference outright and avenge an earlier loss to a very good Centre team.  Mitch Walker really shot the ball well and seems like Brandon York played very well off the bench. 

Tyler Warren is a very good player.  Too bad he didn't go to Trinity.

The most surprising thing about the Southwestern-Oglethorpe game is that Oglethorpe won without Dickinson going off. 

Depauw is really coming on. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on February 14, 2006, 01:28:22 PM
If the SCAC Tournament started today......

1. Trinity (10-2, 18-5)
2. Southwestern (9-3, 17-6)
3. Centre (8-4, 16-6)
4. Rose-Hulman (7-6, 11-12)
5. DePauw (7-6, 11-12)
6. Millsaps (6-6, 13-10)
7. Ogelthorpe (5-7, 12-11)
8. Rhodes (3-9, 11-12)

Hendrix (3-9, 10-12)
Sewanee (3-9, 7-15)


Friday, February 24th


2:00 ET - (2) Southwestern vs. (7) Ogelthorpe
4:00 ET - (3) Centre vs. (6) Millsaps
7:00 ET - (1) Trinity vs. ( 8 ) Rhodes
9:00 ET - (4) Rose-Hulman vs. (5) DePauw

Saturday, February 25th


2:00 ET - Semifinal
4:00 ET - Semifinal

Sunday, February 26th

1:00 ET - Championship



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2006, 02:41:19 PM
I know the tournament brackets will change somewhat after this weekend but the current standings make a great opening day of the tournament:

--Southwestern and OU meet again just 2 weeks after OU has thumped the Pirates.
--Centre would be looking to avenge their 3 point home loss to the Majors in the only meeting of the year between the teams.
--The Indiana teams matching up with a chance to end the season for their in-state rival.
--Trinity as the top seed gets the worst possible 8th seed by having to play the host team right off the bat.

It will be interesting to see what changes are produced by this final week of play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 14, 2006, 05:28:14 PM
When was the last time the tournament was not held in Memphis?  Has there been any thought given to rotating the tourney around? 

Obviously there are advantages and disadvantages to having it in the same location each year, and Memphis is probably as close to a "central" location as the SCAC can find. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 14, 2006, 06:36:24 PM
The tournament has only been around for three years.  The previous tourneys were all held in Memphis, and I tend to think that the SCAC commissioners have deemed the tourney a success.  But, I'm sure they are always evaluating the situation and would be prepared to change venues should the need arise. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 15, 2006, 03:02:42 PM
I think I heard somewhere along the line that there was a plan that the tournament might move from place to place in the next couple of years.  I don't think it was ever made official, but I heard it mentioned a couple of times over the last year or two.

If I remember right, it'd be held in a different region (like north, south, & central) every year.  So at a South school like Trinity or Millsaps or something, then at a central school like Hendrix or Sewanee, then at a North school like DPU or Centre.  Not sure if that ever went anywhere or not. 

On another note Frank, if I was Trinity I'd sure rather play the home team who isn't very good compared to Oglethorpe or even Sewanee.  With Ben Campbell healthy, Sewanee is dangerous.  I'd be quite content to play Rhodes.  Shut down Almefty and you've got yourself a good situation.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sewanee#24 on February 17, 2006, 09:43:06 AM
Well, we got one last weekend against Rose-Hulman.  Luckily for us, Rose-Hulman's offense was perhaps the most stagnant offense I have ever seen from that team.  Basically, they passed the ball to Munchie and then stood around to watch what would happen.  Thus, allowing our defense to key on their best player.  I was really expecting more from them.  Anyway, as far as this weekend goes, I am predicting a Sewanee win over a Trinity team that, basically, has the conference locked up and is looking forward to the SCAC tournament and/or Centre.  Thus, we go to the conference tournament as both Rhodes and Hendrix are playing teams that are desperate to improve their tournament seed and will be playing hard.  I hope it is a good weekend for those attending the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 17, 2006, 10:41:37 AM
Just to help you out Sewanee #24, I'm going to say that Sewanee's chances of winning a game this weekend and their chances of going to the SCAC Tournament are just about totally nil.  Since my predictions are almost always totally wrong, you should take great hope in my forecast. 

In another prediction, giving the importance of the games this weekend for Hendrix and Rhodes, I think those will be very tough road games for Millsaps and OU.  I saw the Millsaps team leaving campus at lunch yesterday so I hope they got into Conway before the bad weather hit.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 17, 2006, 10:49:03 AM
Trinity needs both wins this weekend to have a good shot at a Pool C should they lose in the tournament.  I don't think they'll overlook anyone. 

Gonna be a cold weekend in Texas (like just about everywhere else) this weekend, everyone stay warm. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on February 14, 2006, 05:28:14 PM
When was the last time the tournament was not held in Memphis?  Has there been any thought given to rotating the tourney around? 

Obviously there are advantages and disadvantages to having it in the same location each year, and Memphis is probably as close to a "central" location as the SCAC can find. 

Excellent airport connections, too. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 17, 2006, 12:07:12 PM
Unfortunately the Memphis Airport can be quite expensive to fly into. 

Don't think Trinity is losing tonight on Senior Night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2006, 10:10:46 AM
Lots of things from last night--I thought someone would have added a post prior to now:

--Centre beats SW and Centre will take over the #2 seed if they win at Trinity.  The Centre win guarantees that these two teams will be the 2nd and 3rd seeds.
--Trinity doesn't have to share the SCAC regular season title after last night.  Their winning margin of only 6 over Sewanee is a little surprising but it got the job done and it was the biggest "blowout" of the night.
--Millsaps, DePauw and RHIT will be the 4-6th seeds and they are all tied at 7-6 right now.  DePauw and RHIT play tonight which will leave give us an 8-6 team and a 7-7 team.  Millsaps plays Rhodes and could obviously finish either 8-6 or 7-7.  So any way that you go, Millsaps will be tied with one of the Indiana teams and Millsaps has the tiebreaker over DePauw and RHIT has it over Millsaps.
--Hendrix started league play 2-0 and has gone 1-10 since with a lot of close losses.  Last night's results leaves them out of the SCAC Tournament with hopes of getting over the hump next year.  They aren't too far away from having that program turned around.
--Rhodes has a one-game lead over both Hendrix and Sewanee and the tiebreaker over Hendrix.  Sewanee holds the tiebreaker over Rhodes so they will get the 8th spot if they beat SW on the road and Rhodes falls at home to Millsaps. 

That's the wrapup and I'll end up with one final thought.  Love or hate the SCAC Tournament, you have to admit that it adds importance to the league games all the way to the end of conference play.  Without the tournament, the last couple of weeks would mostly have been about teams just finishing up the season.  See you in Memphis.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on February 18, 2006, 10:52:24 PM
Frank,

Thanks for the analysis of where all teams in the SCAC stand.  I always enjoy your recaps.  We got home so late last night from the Trinity/Sewanee game that I couldn't gather up the energy to post to the board.  With a little under 9 minutes to play and a 19 point lead, Trinity went into a slump and Sewanee played very hard to make the game a close contest.  Without James Lake's game of his career (31 points), the outcome would have been different.   

We're looking forward to Memphis.  I hope we get to meet you while we're there.  Good luck to all teams in the SCAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 19, 2006, 10:56:14 AM
Fan,

Trinity is not alone in letting a big lead slip.  Millsaps was up by 15 at the half on Friday and that was up to 21 with 15 minutes to play.  Hendrix came back and the Millsaps lead was 1 with 52 seconds to play.  A Tyler Warren basket and 4 for 4 free throws by Lorenzo Bailey allowed Millsaps to maintain the lead.  Hendrix did the same thing to Southwestern in Georgetown earlier this season and you have to admire the never give up attitude of their program.

DePauw took a 13 point victory at home over RHIT last night.  If Millsaps wins against Rhodes today then they play DePauw to open up the tourney.  If Millsaps loses, then they open up with either Centre or Southwestern.  I don't think it is bulletin board material to say that I'd rather play DePauw.  DePauw is 12-12, the others are 17-6 and 17-7 so who would any rational person want to play?

Unfortunately, the team I'd most like to play is RHIT and that isn't possible.  RHIT lost 6 of their last 8 SCAC games with the two victories coming at home against Rhodes and Hendrix.  If you go back 9 SCAC games you get to their 1-point win at Millsaps where Millsaps lost a 16-point second half lead.  In that game it was all Munchie in the comeback and it seems like that has been RHIT's problem this year.  Munchie Muskeyvalley has been their leading scorer in 16 games of their 25 games (he missed 3-4 games early in the season) and that makes them very one-dimensional on offense.  In the comeback against Millsaps he was great but it seems like he has to be great for them to win and that is a lot to ask of a player (for the record they are 3-6 when he isn't the leading scorer, 8-8 when he is).

In Memphis, I'll be the Millsaps fan with a black and yellow backpack/camera bag.  Look for a black camera with a big white lens being held by a guy who needs to start back on his jogging/walking routine.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 19, 2006, 03:21:37 PM
Trinity 70, Centre 65
Southwestern 98, Sewanee 88

Trinity No. 1 seed
Southwestern No. 2 seed
Centre No. 3 seed

Oglethorpe No. 7 seed
Rhodes No. 8 seed

Hendrix, Sewanee eliminated

No. 4, No. 5 and No. 6 seeds still to be decided between DePauw, Millsaps and Rose-Hulman

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 19, 2006, 04:04:48 PM
@Rhodes 87, Millsaps 81
@Hendrix 81, 'thorpe 80

Therefore (I think):
DPU (8-6) is #4
RHIT (7-7, defeated Millsaps 81-80) #5
Millsaps (7-7) #6

The Hendrix-OU games saw six lead changes in the final 51 seconds.  Hendrix' Michael Bennett shot 19 FT's (hitting 12) in just 22 minutes.  The rest of his teammates totaled nine attempts ... and Bennett hit a jumper with 0:13 left to give Hendrix the lead ... and a layup with one second left for the final margin of victory.  Terry Bailey (23 pts on 8-of-13 shooting)had two threes and a jumper in the last 0:51 to keep Millsaps in the game.   Bennett and Matt Secrease both had 23 points to lead Hendrix. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 19, 2006, 04:11:42 PM
You are correct Ron
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 19, 2006, 06:49:09 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2006, 02:41:19 PM
I know the tournament brackets will change somewhat after this weekend but the current standings make a great opening day of the tournament:

--Southwestern and OU meet again just 2 weeks after OU has thumped the Pirates.
--Centre would be looking to avenge their 3 point home loss to the Majors in the only meeting of the year between the teams.
--The Indiana teams matching up with a chance to end the season for their in-state rival.
--Trinity as the top seed gets the worst possible 8th seed by having to play the host team right off the bat.

It will be interesting to see what changes are produced by this final week of play.

The last weekend of play didn't change the matchups since the only change was DePauw and RHIT flipflopping on the final seeding in the #4 vs. #5 game.  Does anyone feel like giving their picks for the 1st round, semi's and championship?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 19, 2006, 10:26:26 PM
I'll try:

Trinity (#1; 20-5/12-2) vs Rhodes (#8; 13-12/5-9)
Lynx played Trinity tough in San Antonio and Tigers must take them seriously to avoid the first round upset.   Lynx only 3-5 since that meeting; Tigers 8-1.  Pick:  Trinity

DePauw (#4; 12-12/8-6) vs Rose-Hulman (5; 11-14/7-7)
Grudge match; who knows when these two will play again.   Rose a bit one-dimensional.  Pick:  DePauw

Southwestern (#2; 18-7/10-4) v Oglethorpe (#7; 12-13/5-9)
Pirates have not played well the last half of the SCAC season (4-3) and are not a great road team. One of the losses was a 74-58 shellacking at the hands of the Stormy Petrels.   Pick:  Oglethorpe in another upset.

Centre (#3; 17-7/9-5) v Millsaps (#6; 14-11/7-7):  Majors upset the Colonels in Danville, but Centre's only loss since then a narrow defeat on the road against Trinity.  Pick:  Centre

Semis:

Trinity v. DePauw:  The homestanding Greencastle Tigers went on a 30-10 run to defeat the visitors from San Antonio in their first meeting.   Not going to happen again.  Pick:  Trinity

Centre v. Oglethorpe:  One upset's going to have to be enough for the Stormy Petrels.  Pick:  Centre

Finals:

Trinity v. Centre:  Colonels are 1-1 against the Tigers this season.  After the finals, it will be 2-1.  Pick:  Centre

Bids:

Pool A:  Centre (20-7)
Pool C:  Trinity (22-6)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on February 20, 2006, 12:57:52 AM
I will give it a try.............

1st Round:

Trinity 77, Rhodes 56

Rose-Hulman 63, DePauw 60

Southwestern 87, Ogelthorpe 79

Centre 68, Millsaps 61

Semi-Finals:

Trinity 64, Rose-Hulman 51

Southwestern 81, Centre 75

Championship:


Trinity 87, Southwestern 80
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 20, 2006, 02:28:07 PM
WGRE has announced that it will again carry 13 of the 14 games of the SCAC tournament.  Ten will air on its webstream and 3 on Free Teamline.  WMHD of Rose-Hulman will carry their women's contest with Oglethorpe. 

The link to all the information (including game previews) and the broadcast schedule can be accessed at www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/scac.asp (http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/scac.asp).  This is also the link to access the webstream this weekend. 

Please email wgresports@depauw.edu with any questions or feedback.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 20, 2006, 02:29:20 PM
Also, to save space, I've picked the exact same bracket as BfB above.  There's a more comprehensive diatribe about each game on the website the post above.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dirty_South on February 20, 2006, 06:56:58 PM
DPU Radio Guy,

Fantastic site, I love the previews. Looking forward to listening to your broadcasts as I will not be able to make it to Memphis.

My $.02 on the bracket:

Trinity over Rhodes
Oglethorpe over Southwestern (Is it an upset if the majority picks OU to win??)
DePauw over RHIT
Centre over Millsaps

DePauw over Trinity (Upset Special)
Centre over Oglethorpe

Centre over DePauw
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2006, 08:57:53 AM
Here are three of my picks:

Trinity over Rhodes--Home court is nice but the talent difference is too much.

RHIT over DePauw--RHIT has been falling but they will pull out one last hurrah before leaving the SCAC.  Munchie went 6-23 in the game last week and I doubt that will happen again on a neutral court without a lot of fan support on either side.

Southwestern over OU--This is the sexy upset pick since OU just handed SW a big loss.  Has anyone noticed that OU is 1-6 in conference road games this year, or that they were 7-4 at home this year and 5-9 away, or that they are 3-9 overall since they opened up SCAC play with a 3-0 record?  OU is dangerous when hot but they won't have enough to beat SW on the road.

And what about Centre vs. Millsaps?  Centre has earned to right to be everyone's pick to win this game but I can't pick against Millsaps.  Instead, I'll work on another post laying out what I think the keys are for a Millsaps upset of Centre. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2006, 10:56:38 AM
My thoughts on how Millsaps can beat Centre:

1) Millsaps has to realize that they can't win the tournament.  All of us know that only TU, SW and Centre have a shot at winning so why should a team like Millsaps take on the pressure of trying to win the tournament.  Millsaps is capable of upsetting Centre (they did beat Centre on the road) and that's all they should focus on.  If they win on Friday, then I do belive they are capable of beating the SW-OU winner on Saturday.  And yes, if they win on Saturday I think they have the talent to beat TU or whoever else is left.  Piece by piece, they can win the tournament but they don't need to even think about the big picture at this time.  Last year Millsaps opened with Trinity and Millsaps played like all the pressure was on them.  This year Millsaps needs to relax and let all the pressure be on Centre. 

2)  I could list a bunch of things here about a bunch of players, but I'm going to assume that Warren, Rogan, Bailey, Odum, LeBlanc, Oscar, etc., will continue to play like they have been playing.  They just need to relax and play their game (see #1).

3)  The X-factor is Edrick Montgomery and how many minutes he plays without being in foul trouble.  Millsaps has played 25 games, Edrick has played 28 or more minutes in only 6 of those games, most of those in pre-conference.  Edrick has played more than 28 minutes in 1 of his last 14 games. 

In the 6 games over 28 minutes of playing time, Edrick averages 19.3 ppg and 12.7 rebounds.  In his 18 other games, the numbers drop to 13.6 ppg and 6.8 rebounds.  With that in mind, I predict that Millsaps beats Centre (and anyone else in the field) if Edrick plays 28 minutes or more while staying out of significant foul trouble and they lose if he gets in early foul trouble. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 21, 2006, 12:34:49 PM
Frank, I can't tell if you are being serious or not regarding TU, SU, and Centre as being the only teams that can really win it.  No Depauw?????  Wow.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 21, 2006, 01:41:47 PM
QuoteRHIT has been falling but they will pull out one last hurrah before leaving the SCAC.  Munchie went 6-23 in the game last week and I doubt that will happen again on a neutral court without a lot of fan support on either side.

In defense of Saturday night at the Neal Fieldhouse, the Rose-Hulman fans that they bused in were probably louder than the DPU student section.  The only difference was the big gold Tiger at midcourt instead of that big red R.

Also, Munchie isn't exactly shooting the lights out from the floor in the past few games:

6-23 @ DePauw
2-7 against Robert Morris
4-16 @ Centre
4-14 @ Sewanee
5-21 vs. Hendrix

Those numbers bring a big smile to this Tiger fan.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 21, 2006, 02:21:42 PM
For the record, the emoticon use in my previous post was totally unintentional.  Sorry about that.  I try and not use them.  I may even report myself to the moderator.  Who knew if you put three question marks in a row that you would get that? 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 21, 2006, 02:26:16 PM
That's OK Carl  - I was using my company's IM tool this AM.  I was doing a list (a) .... (b) .... (c) and the (b) came out looking like a mug of beer!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2006, 03:28:26 PM
I guess I was too subtle in my comments.  If you read my entire statement you'll see that I can see the possiblity of Millsaps winning each of their individual games which therefore means that I see the possibility of them winning the tournament.  But, for anyone seeded 4-8 in this tournament, I think the best route to take is to look at yourself as a spoiler and don't start out the tournament trying to calculate your chances of winning it all. 

Henry Ford said, "Nothing is particular hard if you divide it into small jobs."  While that might be somewhat of an understatement, teams like Millsaps need to focus on the "small job" of winning one game at a time instead of looking at the big picture of having to pull off 3 upsets in a row.

Regarding the Munchie numbers from the last few games, maybe the 6 for 23 will be the thing that convinces RHIT that it has to be a team game plan on the offensive end or else they will be one and out.  I do think DePauw is the better team and the more likely winner, but I had to have an upset winner since I wasn't going with OU over SW.  Picking Millsaps over Centre is not an upset if Montgomery plays most of the game without foul trouble, but that is a big IF.  For the record, Edrick only played 20 minutes against Centre in the first game (12 pts, 4 rebs) so Millsaps can win with a smaller lineup if everyone else plays well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on February 21, 2006, 04:21:46 PM
It's no secret that Rose-Hulman plays well when they are passing the ball and playing as a team. A cohesive unit. Unfortunately, it appears that has gone by the wayside in recent contests and it's obvious by the results of the game.

The Engineers do have other weapons offensively and defensively other than Muskeyvalley.

6-7 Senior Brennan Dunville has shown the ability to be one of the better post players in the league this season, but when he doesn't get the ball in the post often, it's hard for him to be a successful piece of the offense. Junior Guard Jason Bednarko is 2nd on the team in 3-pt. field goals, but he rarely gets enough shots to make a huge difference. He was 3-for-4 from behind the arc in the loss to DePauw.

Others players like Lorenzo Rice, who is very athletic but can also step out and hit the three, are still trying to find their roles on this club. Unfortunately, here we are at the end of the season and it hasn't happened yet. But, Rice is only a freshman, so he should be much more comfortable and have a better idea in the season's to come. He is a talented player who will be counted on by Jim Shaw to provide scoring in the next three years. The final starter, Jared Moore, is really more of a do-it-all type player, especially on the defensive end. His job to is guard the opposition's top scorer. He can score when needed, and is a great rebounder from the guard spot.

So, Rose definitely has some other options on the court besides Munchie Muskeyvalley. Will they be able to utilize them this weekend or will the 2005-2006 campaign be cut short early?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 21, 2006, 08:41:29 PM
I'm sure most of you who frequent this board already have this link, but in case you can't be in Memphis, you can find links to all the audio broadcasts plus game stories, box scores and much more as it all plays out:
http://www.scac-online.org/bballtourney

And if you are going to Memphis, there are directions to both Rhodes and to St. Benedict (Friday women's site) on the site (tournament information)

Looking forward to a great tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 22, 2006, 10:03:35 AM
Can we get some all SCAC picks?  I believe it will be announced on Saturday during the semi-finals?  Anybody have any thoughts?

Frank and others have seen more than a few games this year.  What do you think? 

I have a bias but I would think that Bates/Burt should be Co-POY.  Hard to go one over the other.  Who else is in the mix? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on February 22, 2006, 12:03:10 PM
The pool of potential first teamers is probably something like this:

Dickinson, OU
Bowser/Cates, SU
Garcia, UOS
Magnusson, CC
Stewart, DU
Bates/Burt, TU
Montgomery, MC
Muskeyvalley, RHIT

That is ten guys.  It looks like I am a little perimeter heavy, but here is my try.

First Team
G-Burt, TU
G-Dickinson, OU
F-Cates, SU
F-Bates, TU
C-Magnusson, CC

Second Team
G-Bowser, SU
G-Muskeyvalley, RHIT
G-Garcia, UOS
G-Stewart, DU
F-Montgomery, MC

POY-Burt (More consistent than Bates)

Obviously there are other guys that could get in there.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on February 22, 2006, 12:09:59 PM
Just finalized the hotel arrangements for Memphis.  I can't wait for another great tourney. 

Carl,
Can't wait to see you. 

Should be a lot of fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on February 22, 2006, 12:15:00 PM
I just realized I made an unfair omission.  I have to apologize to Mr. Almefty.  You deserve to be considered on that list.  He has a chance to be the 2nd leading scorer in SCAC history.  So add Almefty to my list of All-SCACers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on February 22, 2006, 04:03:14 PM
All-SCAC Predictions:

First Team:
Ross Burt, Trinity
Robert Cates, Southwestern
Reggie Magnusson, Centre
Eric Dickinson, Ogelthorpe
Edrick Montgomery, Millsaps

Second Team:
Stephen Schott, DePauw
Munchie Muskeyvalley, Rose-Hulman
Rami Almefty, Rhodes
Andy Bates, Trinity
Jamonn Little, Southwestern

Third Team:
Alex Stewart, DePauw
Andrew King, Hendrix
Rodney Rogan, Millsaps
Joey Garcia, Sewanee
Aaron Bowser, Southwestern

Honorable Mention:
Matt Nestheide, Centre
Micheal Bennett, Hendrix
Tyler Warren, Millsaps
Spencer Rowland, Sewanee
Brennan Dunville, Rose-Hulman
Matt Secrease, Hendrix
Andrew Tulowitsky, Ogelthorpe
Matthew Jakes, Rhodes
Ben Campbell, Sewanee
James Lake, Trinity

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on February 22, 2006, 04:56:11 PM
Is there a freshman of the year?  If so, Andrew King should be a strong contender. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 22, 2006, 05:15:34 PM
If I remember right, which I may not, the award is for Newcomer of the Year. 

If that's the case, you better throw Edrick Montgomery's name in the hat.  Also, had Mike Moore not gotten hurt for a few games mid-season, he might be in the discussion as well.  I did like what I saw from Andrew King this year.  I only saw him twice against DPU, but he was tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on February 22, 2006, 05:25:52 PM
In the SCAC, Andrew King has the following rankings:
4th in scoring--17.4
4th in rebounding--7.1
7th in field goals
7th in blocked shots
6th in offensive rebounds
4th in defensive rebounds
8th in minutes played

Not too shabby for a freshman!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2006, 08:12:52 PM
Andrew King looked very good in the one game that I saw him play.  And while on the subject of Hendrix players, it should be mentioned that Matt Secrease set the record this season for best FT% in a season with a .929 mark.  The old record was .911 set by Eric Dickinson last season.  Dickinson is at .892 at the moment and might improve but I think he would have to hit 80+ free throws in a row to catch Matt.  He probably could hit 80 in a row but he obviously won't get that many additional chances in 2005-06.

Regarding All-SCAC teams, I caused enough trouble last year on the subject so I'll abstain from naming players.  I have found the names mentioned very interesting so far.  I remember a few years back when DePauw had such a good team and I think it was Mike Howland who was named POY.  I would have ranked him 3rd or 4th on the DePauw team but DePauw fans were in agreement with the Howland pick.  It really is hard to rank the value of individual players when you only get to see them once or twice a season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on February 22, 2006, 10:33:03 PM
Last week, Matt Secrease was ranked #1 in the NCAA stats in freethrows but has now fallen to #2.  He has only missed 5 freethrows this season with the first being #32.  He is also just 25 points shy of 1000.  He should reach this at the beginning of next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 23, 2006, 09:45:33 AM
Herb, don't I wish I could make it.  You guyswill have a great time. 

Not sure he should win but Brandon York of Trinity definitely has to be in the mix for newcomer of the year.

Frank, just cause it got heated last year doesn't mean you shouldn't throw some names in the mix. 

I am not sure about Dickinson as a first team all-conference player.  Really good player but his team finished 7th in the conference.  I think winning matters. 

I would think that Tyler Warren deserves second team.  Best Millsaps finish in a while and my guess is that he makes that team tick. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on February 23, 2006, 10:08:09 AM
Carl,
Agreed on Tyler Warren.  I have seen him play a few times, and really like his game.  I don't know if it is in the same category, but reminds me a lot of Matt Wiggins.  Seems to be the fuel to the fire.  Does a lot of different things for that team. 

As far as Eric Dickinson, I threw that one in there because there always seems to be someone with good numbers from a lower seeded team get some All-Conference attention. 

Frank,
I agree with Carl.  Let's hear your opinion.  Differing opinions is what makes these message boards fun. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2006, 12:13:57 PM
Shame on both Carl and Herb for trying to lure me down this path once again.  Last year I ended up with emails from at least 2 SCAC coaches as well as having a conversation with Coach Wise and the Millsaps AD.  There was more going on in the background than just what we saw on the message board and I have apologized to several for my role in the controversy.

That being said, I will try not to step on any toes with my feelings about the 3 Millsaps players who have been discussed.  Obviously I have seem the Millsaps players far more than the players on the other teams and naturally I have a biase towards the Millsaps players.

I think Warren, Rogan, and Montgomery as a trio are as good as the top 3 on any of the other SCAC teams.  With Tyler Warren you get good stats and the intangibles that come from a senior--in crunch time the team justifiably looks to him and he usually delivers.  Rodney Rogan is outstanding in just about everything he does.  He scores on the inside and from 3-pt range, he is a solid rebounder, he plays tough on defense, and he is among the league leaders in minutes played.  Edrick Montgomery is an incredible talent who lacks consistency.  If Edrick had Rodney's ability to play 30+ minutes a game without getting into foul trouble, then I suspect most of you would be picking Edrick as the POY.  His numbers would be that good and Millsaps would be much higher than the 6th seed.

With all that being said and knowing that the best Millsaps will probably do is one SCAC 2nd teamer, if I had a vote I would give it to Tyler Warren.  Rogan and Montgomery are both sophomores and they both have the potential to be the best in the SCAC some day, so in my mind I would lean towards the senior because of the combination of success this season and during his career.  That may not be 100% fair, but that's the way I would vote.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on February 23, 2006, 01:57:30 PM
Frank,
Just interested in your opinion, not trying to duplicate last season.  I know you have seen a lot of SCAC games this year.  Always like to hear other fans' opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dirtymags25 on February 23, 2006, 03:28:58 PM
Carl,
    I agree with you that winning should be a big factor when choosing an all-conference team, but I also think that you have to look at winning from a relative perspective. OU may be the seventh seed, but they wouldn't have made the tournament at all without Dickinson. If you look at the degree to which Dickinson's play has influenced his team's winning percentage relative to some of the other players on that list then his case becomes even more convincing. Just my opinion
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TheSilentFarter on February 23, 2006, 11:24:49 PM
I know those who are voting might not break down every players conference only statistics but there's a player who became a starter half way through the conference season and is putting up big numbers.

Ahmad Kareem Shaheed of Oglethorpe has started the last 7 conference games and since becoming a starter he has blown up  averagin 14.7 points 8.2 rebounds and .6 blocks per game while shooting 61.2% in only 26.5 minutes per game.   

I think he's played himself into at least an Honorable Mention Selection.  Any thoughts?

Also I agree that Dickinson deserves to be a first teamer.  Second in conference in scoring last season- while leading the conference in scoring this season.  OU would be lost without him.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 24, 2006, 12:32:47 AM
There is something to be said for making your team better.  I won't take that away from anybody.  But that is my point.  If you are a first team all-conference player then don't you help put your team in the top half of the conference?  It's definitely not like the other guys on Oglethorpe are bad.  In fact they probably have a solid team.   

The top four scorers in the league are from the bottom four teams in the league.  I don't think any of those guys should be first team all-league guys.  Probably second team for Dickinson and Almefty.  Doesn't mean they aren't really good players.  They definitely are. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 24, 2006, 08:31:12 AM
Good post Carl.  One thing I have come to realize about the All-SCAC teams is that a lot of very good players are bumped down to HM and it is just a numbers game.  There are 10 teams and 10 slots.  Usually the top few teams have two (sometimes 3) players who deserve recognition and that automatically means that some teams get no representation except for HM. 

To put it in a different light, I think there are some guys on the top teams who could do much more if they were called upon to do more.  For example, don't you think that Ross Burt could easily average 20+ per game if he had no other scoring help at Trinity?  There are many guys in this league who can put up great stats if necessary so sometimes you have to give more weight to lesser stats on better teams.  I still think there are exceptions (as in last year) that need to be made and are made for exceptional players from less than exceptional teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 11:36:06 AM
For anyone who may be visiting here for the first time:  ALL SCAC tournament games will be webcast via a combination of WGRE (DePauw radio), WMHD (Rose-Hulman radio), and Teamline.  No charge for any, including Teamline.

The quality of RHIT and DePauw broadcasts is excellent.  I listened to some games last year and they do a good job even when covering two other teams. 

Information on the SCAC Tourney broadcast site:

http://www.scac-online.org/bballtourney/
http://www.scac-online.org/bballtourney/listenlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dirtymags25 on February 24, 2006, 02:28:15 PM
Thats why I'm saying that numbers are relative. In Dickinson's case it's extreme relativity. He shouldn't have to put his team in the top four because without him OU would be a non-factor. There is only one other guy on the team shooting over 30% from behind the arc on a team that is second in the conference in three pointers attempted. That's how much he is carrying them. Oglethorpe has the worst field goal percentage in the conference, but Dickinson got them to the tournament; that's relatively the same as putting another team in the top half. That field goal percentage also brings up the next point in Dickinson's case- he plays power forward. The guy's only 6'1", but is still among the tops of SCAC rebounders. I understand what you're saying about guys like Ross Burt being able to do more if asked, but you also have to consider the converse as well- how much more could Dickinson do if he had more help? Lastly, I have a problem with the leading scorer in the conference not making the first team, no matter who he plays for.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 03:32:15 PM
Southwestern ends Oglethorpe's season (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/scacm1.htm), 87-71.

Aaron Bowser had 19 points and 7 seven assists, just one of five Pirates in double figures. Robert Cates had 10 boards and 13 points for Southwestern.

Andrew Tulowitzky led the Stormy Petrels with 18.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 04:42:56 PM
Halftime:  Millsaps 35, Centre 31.

Millsaps is led by Warren with 15 (6/8 FG) and Montgomery with 14 (7/9).  Matt Nestheide has 13 for Centre. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 05:41:57 PM
Great comeback by Millsaps ... down 12 to Centre with under six minutes, have tied the game with under a minute left and just got a steal with :30 left ... :06 Tyler Warren misses a J, we're goin' to OT!

Warren and Montgomery did all the work.  They are shooting 20-31; the rest of the Majors, 5-26 ...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 05:57:20 PM
Double OT now ... sloppy OT with lots of turnovers and missed FTs.  Millsaps was up by four after two minutes but did not score the rest of the way.

Fouls a problem now for both teams ... Bailey has fouled out for Millsaps, two players on both teams have four. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 06:19:35 PM
Centre pulls it out in 2OT, 86-80. 

Matt Nestheide had 29 pts and 10 boards playing all 50 minutes for Centre.   

Edrick Montgomery led all scores with 34 points (15/22), and added 10 rebounds;  Tyler Warren (10/17) added 28.  The rest of the Majors totalled 18 points on 5-of-32 shooting. 

Centre won the FT battle, 38-21.

Going to interesting to see what impact this game has on tomorrow's matchup against Southwestern, because all the Colonel starters played over 40 minutes (42. 43. 46. 47. 50).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 07:34:55 PM
Trinity leads Rhodes at the half, 48-40.  The game was very tight  for the first 11 minutes, lots of lead changes and ties.  Trinity went on an 11-0 run beginning with 8:31 remaining to take their largest lead of nine points. 

The Tigers are shooting over 50% (8-15) from beyond the arc, 56.3% overall.  James Lake has 11, Ross Burt 10, Andy Bates 9, Jay Riola 8.  The Lynx, shooting 44.1%, have gotten 10 from Rami Almefty and 9 from Matthew Jakes. 

It's been a fast-paced half with only four turnovers, 11 fouls called, and 11 free throw attempts between the two teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 08:01:56 PM
Trinity 72, Rhodes 64, with just under ten minutes to play.  Still lots of threes being thrown up by both teams (22 so far by Trinity, 15 from Rhodes).  Ross Burt just picked up his fourth foul for Trinity. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 08:13:48 PM
All tied up now, 78-78 with 4:30 to play.   Rhodes has gone 6-6 on FTs in the last few minutes to help close the gap. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on February 24, 2006, 08:20:28 PM
:43

Rhodes 84, Trinity 83

The Lynx going for a huge upset in the opening round!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 08:26:48 PM
Rhodes wins by 4, 87-83.  Going to be real interesting to see if Trinity gets a "C" after a first-round shocker.   TU lived by the three in the first half, died by it in the second (2-14).  Congrats to the Lynx!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 24, 2006, 08:27:26 PM
Congrats to Rhodes and Herb Hilgeman. 

That sucks. 

Hopefully Trinity will live to see another day in the NCAA tournament.  They have a shot. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on February 24, 2006, 08:30:22 PM
WOW!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on February 24, 2006, 08:31:24 PM
This certainly opens things up a bit.

If Rose-Hulman can somehow manage a victory this evening against DePauw, I like the Engineers' chances a WHOLE LOT better against Rhodes than I did against the Tigers. Just a huge win for Rhodes College.

Biggest upset in the history of the tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 08:32:46 PM
Congratulations to Rhodes before the home fans!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rose Basketball on February 24, 2006, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: Rose Basketball on February 24, 2006, 08:31:24 PM
This certainly opens things up a bit.

If Rose-Hulman can somehow manage a victory this evening against DePauw, I like the Engineers' chances a WHOLE LOT better against Rhodes than I did against the Tigers. Just a huge win for Rhodes College.

Biggest upset in the history of the tournament?

Rose-Hulman gets smoked by DePauw 76-54 tonight and ends their season 11-15.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUC FAN08 on February 24, 2006, 11:51:03 PM
Hey Fellas, I think Bowser showed why he is all-american today. gonna be a tight match tomorrow against centre. good luck to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 25, 2006, 10:34:52 AM
The news that Rhodes beat Trinity just makes the 2OT loss yesterday even worse.  I thought Millsaps could beat Centre and SW but then they would run out of steam to compete with Trinity's height.  Knowing that the finals would be against DePauw or Rhodes, teams that Millsaps matche up better with sizewise, makes me think that Millsaps could have won that third game despite their lack of size/experience on the bench for the 4 & 5 spots.

I wouldn't count out any of the 4 teams but SW is in the driver's seat.  Centre will have less rest time coming into this game and all of the Centre starters played 42 or more hard minutes yesterday.  SW will have the edge in the last 10 minutes for sure and possibly in the first 10 minutes of the game if Centre starts out a little leg weary.

As for Millsaps, it was a great effort and I hated to see us fall short.  I'll just say this now and then get out of the way for the remaining teams in the tournament:  Millsaps has had 3 groups of players go to the NCAA Tournament (1 group went twice).  In all three cases the year prior to the tournament season was around the breakeven mark and the team was loaded with younger players.  If the non-seniors all return and Millsaps can get at least one extra player in the middle, I think Millsaps will be the team to beat next season.

And with that, good luck to all the remaining tournament teams and I hope that we get two teams in the NCAA's and that they both have great success.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 25, 2006, 11:49:49 AM
I tell ya, Frank...SW has to play a lot better than they did yesterday to beat Centre..even a tired Centre.

It really is a good thing that Oglethorpe couldn't buy a bucket yesterday, because SW would have been in big trouble.  Aaron Bowser carried that team to a win yesterday.  Cates and Little were a non-factor until 6-7 minutes left.  That game was a lot closer than the final score indicated. 

I know Centre's going to be tired.  But a special good luck wish from me to Robert Cates.  There's a large Icelander whom you're drawing on defense today.  I picked to Centre to win this thing from the start, and Reggie's going to be one angry man after the crap he put with from the officials yesterday.  I say Magnusson goes for 25 and Centre wins by 9.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 25, 2006, 12:38:11 PM
Now you've brought up an interesting point that I wasn't going to mention but you make me feel obligated to address it.  The Centre crowd was obviously out buying cokes and popcorn during that pregame announcement about sportsmanship and comments addressed towards the refs, etc.  Obviously every team has their moments and every team has their "problem" parents/fans, but the Centre group as a whole was pretty bad (in my opinion).  Now you infer that Magnusson got the screw job yesterday, implying again that the refs were calling against Centre.

It was 50 minutes of close, emotional basketball and a lot of calls could have been made both ways.  I didn't think Millsaps was getting screwed when only 3 fouls were called against Centre in the first half.  In 50 minutes of action Centre only got called for 16 fouls but I'm not going to say that Millsaps got cheated or that the refs did a poor job.  The refs could have called a foul on the last play of regulation or at the end of the first OT that would have sent Millsaps to the line with a chance to win the game.  They didn't, I'm not going to complain about the call, and I'm not going to bitch about the refs on those plays or about their performance during the game. 

The Millsaps starters collected 22 fouls in the game and only a couple were intentional fouls at the end--that's 2 starters fouling out and the rest ending up with 4 fouls.  The Centre starters, who actually played more minutes than the Millsaps starting five, finished up with 11 total fouls.  In 90 minutes of playing time, Magnussom and Zerhusen picked up 23 rebounds and only 2 fouls between them--don't you think there were plenty of times when the refs could have called some fouls in there and they didn't?

SO, I've got that off my chest.  I don't blame the refs one iota for the Millsaps loss last night.  I don't agree with all of their calls but I think they did a better job calling the game than any 3 other people in the gym were capable of doing.  Centre played a very good game and I give their coach and their players credit for the victory but it ticks me off to have their fans or anyone else indicate that the game was close because the refs were screwing over Centre or any of their players.

Okay, now I think I've got that off my chest and I can go back to working on Millsaps basketball photos.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BucBasketball08 on February 25, 2006, 12:55:03 PM
Mr. Radio guy,
    Great job announcing the game. I agree that Bowser led in scoring, but there were 4 other players scoring in double digits. Mike Powell and Danny Franklin made thier presence known I think. I'll be listening at 1.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 25, 2006, 03:47:03 PM
Centre 77-55 over Southwestern.  Aaron Bowser completely disappeared, scoring 4 pts on 1-8.  Jamonn Little had 27 to lead exactly 6 Pirates that scored.  Little and Cates had 46 of the 55. 

Nestheide had 23 on 6-12 & 4-6 from 3.  Magnusson ended up with 18 despite foul trouble.  Matt Jacobson 5-8 from 3 with 17 pts.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 25, 2006, 03:50:38 PM
Also, I wasn't saying that the refs were screwing Centre, to clarify.  A lot of Centre's fans think that their little boy couldn't ever possibly do something as terrible as committing a foul.  Magnusson just wasn't getting a lot of calls down low.  Rogan didn't a bunch of 'em either to be honest.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 25, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
DPU 74-54.  DPU 10-20 from 3.  Reid Sakel with 21 for DPU on 8-10 from the floor.  Stephen Schott with 14. 

Rhodes shot 32% from the floor and were 6-27 from 3.  DPU & Centre in the championship. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 25, 2006, 07:14:38 PM
The 2005-06 All-SCAC men's team is posted:

http://www.scac-online.org/bballtourney
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on February 25, 2006, 09:45:33 PM
We are really proud of Andrew King for earning Newcomer of the Year.  He is a very impressive player. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 25, 2006, 10:01:07 PM
I've been working all day on Millsaps photos which brings me to this offer:

At the tournament this weekend the parents of a Southwestern player stopped me and told me how much they liked the photo of their son that was on the Millsaps website.  I told them to email me and I'd send them a copy of the original file.

I may regret saying this, but there may be other parents/players/SID's out there who would like a couple of the photos from games played at Millsaps.  I'll be glad to email the photos files to folks who request them as long as it doesn't get out of hand.  On the photo website there is a "Contact Member" button.  That sends an email to me at frankezelle@yahoo.com.  It would help if I got the information I needed all at once--namely the team, men's or women's game, and the photo name that appears at the bottom of the photo.

Here's the link for Millsaps photos:  http://photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/

I can't promise instant replies because I'm in the middle of fixing all of the Millsaps basketball CD's and then I have to get started on spring sports, but I will get the photos out to you (and in case you are wondering, there is no charge).

Frank.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2006, 10:22:39 PM
That's worth at least a karma bump.  Very generous of you, Frank!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 26, 2006, 01:44:12 PM
34-33 DPU at the half.  DPU's web server isn't functioning, so the broadcast is available on Teamline.  www.wgre.org (http://www.wgre.org)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 26, 2006, 02:57:33 PM
In the most incredible finish in the four-year history of the SCAC Tournament, DePauw's junior wing Austin Brown nailed a halfcourt shot at the buzzer to lift the Tigers to a 64-61 victory over Centre College in the finals of the 2006 SCAC Men's Basketball Tournament.

The victory earns DePauw (15-12) the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference title and a berth into the NCAA Division III Championship.

http://www.scac-online.org/bballtourney
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 27, 2006, 11:55:22 AM
It's very nice to see both DePauw and Trinity get tournament bids (keeping in mind that I would have preferred Millsaps).  This is how it should be where SCAC teams get rewarded for a great regular season and those who have struggled are motivated to keep working hard to the very end in hopes of pulling it all together at the SCAC tournament.  I hope they both do well, along with the three teams from the women's side.

For those who are interested, I have posted the photos from the Centre vs. Millsaps game.  There are more photos than usual, partially because it is a tournament game and partially because the lighting was so much better than the Millsaps gym (for you camera geeks, it was 3 stops better).  Here's the link to the photos--you have to click on Men's Basketball and then click on the photo album for SCAC Tour--Centre 02-24-06:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 27, 2006, 11:56:19 AM
Changing the link to red made it inactive.  Let's try the normal blue:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/

(CLICK ON THE THUMBNAIL PHOTOS TO GET THE FULL SIZE PHOTO)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 27, 2006, 01:41:58 PM
The video of Austin Brown's halfcourt buzzer beater in the men's title game is now posted on the SCAC Tournament webpage.

http://www.scac-online.org/bballtourney

Thanks to DePauw for supplying the video clip.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 27, 2006, 03:02:09 PM
I've watched the video clip several times.  Is it safe to say that the DePauw fans are to the right of the camera and the Centre fans are to the left?  It's amazing how someone shooting a ball through a hoop can be so exciting or depressing to so many, including myself.  I just wish all of the SCAC schools could find a way to get more fans out to support the athletes in all of the sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2006, 05:28:18 PM
We have audio and video posted on the front on this now.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on February 27, 2006, 06:16:25 PM
Wow, Pat.  The definition of efficiency.  Impressive.  I certainly appreciate you giving us a little dap.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HeadingForHome on February 27, 2006, 09:38:19 PM
Just a thought

Does anyone else think that video should be sent to sportscenter? 
They have had highschool shots on the top ten and since that shot was in the confrence championship game it may get on the top ten.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 28, 2006, 12:27:42 AM
Quote from: HeadingForHome on February 27, 2006, 09:38:19 PM
Just a thought

Does anyone else think that video should be sent to sportscenter? 
They have had highschool shots on the top ten and since that shot was in the confrence championship game it may get on the top ten.

It made the SC Top 10 alright - It was the Number 1 play of the night tonight. Big hand to dpu_radio_guy for being the "Call Of The Day".
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2006, 01:26:26 AM
Quote from: DPU_radio_guy on February 27, 2006, 06:16:25 PM
Wow, Pat.  The definition of efficiency.  Impressive.  I certainly appreciate you giving us a little dap.

It was a no-brainer. D3nation needed to see it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vook on February 28, 2006, 02:26:30 AM
Not only was it #1, but it also was previewed in a teaser a little earlier in the show.  Plus, on showing the clip at #1, the Sportscenter anchor said something like "love the D3hoops."  I am sure it was spelled "D3hoops" in the script too.  Clearly a nod to this site.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fawkes316 on February 28, 2006, 06:21:11 PM
They played the highlight a couple of times today on Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPNradio and ESPN2. It was pretty cool to hear them talk about Division III basketbal for once.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Herb on March 01, 2006, 11:48:46 AM
Will there be any sort of live stats or Webcast for the Trinity-Maryville game?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on March 01, 2006, 01:29:20 PM
I got the impression from the Maryville webpage that there might be a webcast but I am not sure. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2006, 02:42:08 PM
There was a post on the ASC board that said something about Miss. College doing live stats, but no link was provided.

This is the general-purpose MC live stats link:

http://www.mc.edu/athletics/livestats/xlive.htm

but as to whether it will be used for all games, just MC games, or neither is unknown. 

Maryville (TN) games are often webcast via http://www.blountweb.com/wbcr/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 09:43:28 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on March 01, 2006, 02:42:08 PM
Maryville (TN) games are often webcast via http://www.blountweb.com/wbcr/

Hopefully they have NCAA rights to do so. They did not for the women's game last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2006, 12:57:19 PM
Oops, there would be that minor detail, wouldn't there?

MC has put up a page for 1st/2nd round games:

http://www.mc.edu/athletics/NCAAMBSK06.htm

links for live stats, photos, box scores, game stories.  No broadcasts, apparently. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 02, 2006, 11:41:41 PM
Broadcasts should be available for all games at Mississippi College this weekend. Links to each school's broadcast will be up tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 11:58:06 PM
Maryville (Tenn.) didn't have a link on NCAAsports.com last night. If they don't pay the rights fee they are not allowed to broadcast on the Internet.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 12:24:04 AM
Travel safely, Tiger fans!!!  (Both venues!!!) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2006, 09:47:12 AM
Courtesy of the GSAC board, a writeup on Maryville-Trinity.  Not really much, but at least there is something (HELLO, San Antonio Express-News!):

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/231659
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Trinity 6, Murvul  5 ;15:35
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 07:13:07 PM
Murvul  16, Trinity 6;  13:00 left

Bradley Blair has 3 FG's.  He will get a "steak dinner for scoring 20 points" from one of the announcers!  ;D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 07:38:44 PM
MURVUL 44,Trinity 26 at the half.

MURVUL has been hitting the 3FG's!

Stats to follow.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 07:43:00 PM
In the last 5 minutes, MURVUL outshot Trinity 18-6 to lead 44-26 at the half..

MURVUL:

Mason six 3FG's for 18; Blair 12 points; Cheney 6 pts; Quinn Bradley 4.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2006, 11:24:01 PM
Congrats to Maryville.  Hard to beat a team that has a guy go 9-13 from three point range.  Good luck the rest of the way!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 03, 2006, 11:51:15 PM
Ron:  Sometimes Bo gets like that, but not lately.  Maybe the funk has ended.  It will surely take a repeat to hang with the Choctaws.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Chief on March 04, 2006, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 03, 2006, 11:51:15 PM
Ron: Sometimes Bo gets like that, but not lately. Maybe the funk has ended. It will surely take a repeat to hang with the Choctaws.

You damn right.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 04, 2006, 11:53:53 PM
We'll try again next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on April 18, 2006, 10:48:07 PM
I guess this now goes here. 

Andy Partee of Brown University is the new men's basketball coach at Colorado College.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 18, 2006, 11:10:05 PM
So will Colorado College send a plane to get the Oglethorpe, Centre, and Sewanee teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 18, 2006, 11:23:28 PM
Does DePauw?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 19, 2006, 02:39:46 PM
So Pat, it does add to travel budgets to add a second long trip.  Isn't it possible Oglethorpe (to pick just one) can (maybe barely) afford one but not two?  Was the vote unanimous?

Of course my notsohidden agenda is to find schools to join the GSAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 19, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
We don't know if there will be a second long trip. They may go divisions, meaning a trip to CC every other year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 20, 2006, 03:08:35 AM
Scottiedoug raises a good point. Oglethorpe is a school of a thousand students, with 14 varsity teams ... and only a $21.5m endowment. Unless the Petrels have some other way of acquiring funds, it would seem to me that the extra cost of flying all of those teams to Colorado Springs and back every year could be a real bite in the shorts for their school. Yearly bake sales probably aren't gonna cut it for Oglethorpe.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on April 20, 2006, 07:36:42 AM
But Pat raises a better point.  There will be divisional play.  The SCAC will add one more team and go divisional so Oglethorpe will only have to make that trip every other year. 

Of course that type of schedule would mean a bump up in coference games to 16 regular season from the 14 that the SCAC went to when it started the conference tournament 4 years ago.  This will still be less than the 18 that were played pre-tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on April 20, 2006, 08:05:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 19, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
We don't know if there will be a second long trip. They may go divisions, meaning a trip to CC every other year.

Whether it's every year or every other year it's still a BIG bite out of the travel budget!  Unless they have a wealthy alum to charter flights for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on April 20, 2006, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: wilburt on April 20, 2006, 08:05:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 19, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
We don't know if there will be a second long trip. They may go divisions, meaning a trip to CC every other year.

Whether it's every year or every other year it's still a BIG bite out of the travel budget!  Unless they have a wealthy alum to charter flights for them.

I have the solution for Oglethorpe's travel budget problem. They should join the GSAC.
They are centrally located ... their longest trip would be right at 3 hours.

I wonder if Oglethorpe has ever even considered a move to the GSAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 20, 2006, 12:26:58 PM
That's really a good question.  There's not much difference in the SAT/ACTs of students entering Oglethorpe and Maryville (TN); Huntingdon's are only slightly lower.    As the SCAC is a "collegiate" conference of schools with similar academic goals that's an important consideration.

I always thot the SCAC was a stretch for the Stormy Petrels due to the huge endowment disparities and their non-competetiveness in athletics (9, 10, 10, 8th, and 10th in the conference Presidents' Trophy standing over the last five years).  It'll be interesting to see if they decide to make a move. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2006, 01:13:40 PM
Of course, the SCAC was practically the only option (http://www.scac-online.org/about.html) for D3 in the early 1991 for a team in Atlanta.

Does Oglethorpe continue to benefit from the company that they keep?  Or can they do a better job without the drain on the travel budget?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on April 26, 2006, 10:27:40 PM
Oglelthorpe, move to the GSAC
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on April 29, 2006, 12:31:06 AM
Will Sewanee be more competitive in the SCAC this year?  Also, will the league go to two divisions in the near future?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on June 04, 2006, 03:04:44 PM
Made a trip through Conway yesterday and construction has started on the new gym.  Looks like this will be the last season the Warriors will play in Grove!  Hendrix is turning over a new leaf.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on June 16, 2006, 02:36:46 PM
http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/newsItem.aspx?i=1577
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 28, 2006, 04:28:23 PM
Everytime another school enters the SCAC, all anyone talks about is the travel costs and how they might cause problems.  These teams have had their travel costs covered somehow for decades, guys, and the travel has always been substantial.  Unless the recent rise in energy costs is significant enough, I have to believe that travel logistics are mostly a non-factor in the decision making for structuring the conference.  Is it something that the budget folks have to confront?  Of course, but clearly the schools are going to find that money.  You can say that RHIT dropped out because of the travel costs, but if that were the case, why would they have ever joined?  Its not like the other schools were easier to get to in 1998. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 29, 2006, 12:06:00 AM
Good post tu2698,

Travel costs just got lighter with the opportunity to divide into divisions.  Colorado College can handle it.  They are just glad to be playing D3's in hoops instead of the D2s in the Rocky Mountain AC, (Mesa State, Adams State, Colorado State-Colorado Springs).

The SCAC has a strong idea of who they are and whom they want to play in a conference.  Travel to Colorado Springs and Danvile, KY and Greencastle IN and Conway AR is not a problem.

I think that it is quite clear that RHIT did not like the missed class time.  Terre Haute is isolated from the SCAC schools.  By the time that the RHIT players were boarding the plane to fly to San Antonio or Atlanta, they could be getting off the bus for their game with Anderson or Transylvania.

RHIT saw their best conference choice as the HCAC (many of the old members in the Indiana Collegiate Athletic Conference).  Do Southwestern, Trinity or Austin College Millsaps or Hendrix see the ASC as conference peers?  Do Sewanee, Birmingham-Southern and Centre see the GSAC as their conference peers?  Frankly no!  They have voted with their feet to the SCAC over previous conference arrangements.  Their endowments can handle it. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: emory_eagle on July 31, 2006, 07:18:54 AM
I know this has been beat like a dead horse but I found this to be a good read on BSC.

http://www.hoopville.com/column/hinnen.asp?EntryID=15426
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2006, 08:48:10 AM
Thanks Emory Eagle!  Good article summarizing BSC.

Presbyterian College has an endowment that is $37M less (almost 1/3rd less than BSC,  $77M vs BSC's $114M (http://www.nacubo.org/documents/research/FY05NESInstitutionsbyTotalAssets.pdf)).  One wonders where they will get the money to do this.  If BSC's budget of $6.5M is a true reflection of the cost of doing business in the Big South, then I wonder where Presbyterian will get their money.

Surely a smaller travel budget alone won't make up the difference.  (BSC was westernmost in the Big South.  Presbyterian is right in the middle of the conference.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on September 24, 2006, 06:38:31 PM
Hendrix is currently advertising for someone to run their wellness center.  Looks like this will be the last year for ballgames in Grove.

Hendix men will play an exhibition game against in state division one Arkansas State University November 4th.  With several players from the Jonesboro area, hopefully there will be some support there for the Warriors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on October 17, 2006, 10:02:38 AM
Now that practice has officially begun, is anybody willing to weigh in on how they think the SCAC looks this year?  Is it going to be the usual suspects at the top or is this the year for a shift in the power?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 17, 2006, 04:50:48 PM
I was wondering if this board would start up with the beginning of official practices.  Millsaps returns just about all of their players with the biggest loss being Tyler Warren.  That's a big loss but I expect them to be one of the contenders this season and I feel like they will be in the preseason top three in the SCAC.  DePauw is also returning a bunch of players and they have to be considered one of the favorites.  Anyone have reports on new players in the league that might be impact players in their first year?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on October 17, 2006, 08:50:23 PM
I see it playing out like this.. 

1. Depauw
2. Millsaps
3. Centre
4. Oglethorpe
5. Trinity
6. Southwestern
7. Sewanee
8. Rhodes
9. Hendrix
10. Austin

Obviously depauw returns tons of talent.. I think they have to be the favorite especially the way they ended the year last year.  After Depauw, its kind of a tossup.  This year in the SCAC could be very interesting
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on October 18, 2006, 08:27:57 PM
So is it the consensus that DePauw is the class of the league?  Trinity and Southwestern seem to have been at a pretty high level each of the last few years.  Have they dropped that far in your estimation that they are not going to ccmpete for the top spot in the SCAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on October 18, 2006, 09:00:27 PM
To answer your question, I do think Depauw is at the top of the SCAC.  I do believe that after Depauw the SCAC is wide open.  The teams that I placed toward the top of the league return several starters and are relatively veteran teams in comparison to trinity and southwestern.  Southwestern basically lost all five starters and Trinity lost its two leading scorers.  But do I think they can compete at the top of the league or even win the SCAC, most definitely.  They have great coaches and recruit well every year.  There could also be players who didn't play much for either team last year that could step up.  Like I said, this should be a very interesting year in the SCAC since so many teams are relatively close in talent
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2006, 10:13:04 AM
I think last year's SCAC Tournament tells the story of the current state of the league which is very competitive from top to bottom.  I look at spfan22's list and I just don't see how Hendrix will finish as low as 9th because the program has improved so much over the last two years.  On the other hand, I don't know who to drop below them.

One thing we found out last year is that the SCAC is now capable of sending an at-large team to the NCAA Tournament.  We also learned that just about anyone who gets to the SCAC Tournament is capable of winning the championship and the automatic bid.  Therefore, teams like Millsaps and DePauw who expect to have good years need to be focused all year so they have a shot at an at-large bid as a backup if they don't win the automatic bid. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on October 19, 2006, 01:00:59 PM
thats actually a great point Frank.  I know Hendrix is going to be a tough team to play in the SCAC. I though about moving them up, but like you said, who would you move them above.  Every team in the SCAC will need to be focused going into every game, because the conference is so competitive and any team can win on any night
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on October 23, 2006, 12:08:17 PM
Does anyone know when the SCAC will release its preseason rankings?  (I know they don't mean too much, but I'm curious to see what the coaches think.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2006, 04:42:27 PM
That release came out on November 9th last year so I think we have a couple of weeks before we see what the coaches think.  I haven't heard much on the Millsaps team and how practices are going.  I saw the Mississippi College coach last week and he said they were scrimmaging Millsaps on November 5th.  Sometimes you can't tell much of anything from a scrimmage but it should be interesting to watch since Mississippi College is ranked #2 in the Street & Smith preseason rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on October 23, 2006, 09:44:45 PM
What will Sewanee have this year?  Anybody know anything?  They seem to have most everyone back except Ben Campbell
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 05, 2006, 12:56:58 PM
Hendrix lost their exhibition game last night to division 1 Arkansas State University as expected but........Hendrix looked great on the floor even without two regulars who were not playing due to health reasons.  Hendrix took the lead a couple of times early in the game and even outscored ASU the second half.   ASU rarely sat their starters down during the game, which, in my opinion,  is a credit to Hendrix.  Hendrix definately played with ASU and according to their coach gave them "lots of trouble."  They could not let up all night.  This looks to be a great season for Hendrix.  Coach Priest and Coach McCracken have done a fantastic job recruiting and have many returning players that are revved up and ready to play some ball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on November 07, 2006, 01:43:59 PM
An earlier post mentioned that Trinity lost its 2 top scorers to graduation.  I went and looked at the stats from last year and saw that 71% of their shots taken were lost to graduation.  So is it a case of the players returning didn't need to score or couldn't score?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2006, 09:18:14 AM
Trinity started 5 seniors last year and I don't think there is anything abnormal about a team's starters taking 71% of the shots.  An all new starting lineup makes Trinity a question mark this season but I'm sure they have talented guys waiting in the wings and I won't be surprised if one or two freshmen make the starting rotation--the positive about losing 5 starters is that you might be able to recruit a few hot shots players who like the thought of being 4-year starters.

My gut feeling is that no one will get through the league with a 12-2 or better record like Trinity did last year.  I see 11-3 as the top mark this year with several teams capable of reaching that level.  I still haven't seen the Millsaps team play.  I thought they were scrimmaging Mississippi College last Sunday but the scrimmage is set for Sunday 11/12.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CW on November 09, 2006, 12:01:19 PM
Watch out for Oglethorpe.  They are senior heavy and well coached.  Great shooters with improving post play is a good combination.  They play as hard as any team in the SCAC.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on November 11, 2006, 07:21:06 PM
Sewanee lost to University of Alabama Huntsville 81-66 on Thursday.  They were without Chris Eddy and Ben Pursell, both injured. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 13, 2006, 11:28:09 AM
A quick update on Millsaps after watching them scrimmage against Mississippi College yesterday.  The bottom line is that Millsaps will be good and MS College certainly looked like a team that is ranked number 2 in the country in one poll.

MS College (MC) dressed 28 players (they have 32 players listed on their website)  and they seem to have more redundancy than NASA has built into the space program.  Maybe I'm wrong here, but if they are a legitimate top 10 team then I think they could split up their roster and come up with 2 top 20 teams.  There just isn't much drop off when they sub.  It is safe to say that it is unlike any program that we have in the SCAC.

All that being said, it made it hard to judge the Millsaps team because Millsaps can't replicate in practice what MC can do in practice.  The MC starters are use to playing against guys who are just as big, just as quick, and probably just as good.  With that in mind, it wasn't surprising that MC dominated the 1st half and Millsaps showed improvement as they got more acclimated to playing against the stronger competition.  The longer they played the scrimmage, the better Millsaps looked and they will be a very solid team this year.  They have added a little more depth at the inside positions and they return a lot of players from last year's team.  They look like a team that will be very competitiive in a very competitive league.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 13, 2006, 06:29:17 PM
I was in Jackson for the Majors' SCAC football championship win this weekend, and I watched the Majors' basketball practice on Friday.  I agree with Frank that Millsaps has more inside depth this season.  They are bigger and more powerful than the Millsaps teams of the past few years.  They should be able to control the ball and dictate their own style of play offensively.  Defensively, they may not be as feisty as they have been, but with more size they should be able to create more problems for opposing offenses.  The past few years, the Millsaps defense has been a gnat squad....not very big but very much a pest.  Millsaps had 19 guys practicing on Friday. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 14, 2006, 08:58:39 AM
I posted the photos this morning from the Sunday afternoon Millsaps-Mississippi College scrimmage.  Here's the link to the main page and I think most SCAC folks can figure out which links to click on to get to the scrimmage photos:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 16, 2006, 05:19:00 PM
DePauw men picked to repeat as conference roundball champs in 2006-07

SUWANEE, Ga. - In exclusive voting of the sports information directors of the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference (SCAC), DePauw University has been selected as the team to beat for the men's basketball conference title for the 2006-07 season.

The DU Tigers picked up six of a possible 10 first-place votes and came in with 95 total points to finish ahead of Trinity University's 83 points, which included the remaining four first-place votes.

For the complete release:
http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3bballfollower on November 16, 2006, 05:25:48 PM
definitely no certainties like in the past...there will we lots of surprises and "upsets" this year in the conference...should be a very exciting year
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 17, 2006, 11:55:18 AM
I am confused.  Last year the pre-season poll puts Trinity tied for 3rd when despite losing four starters they returned the two best players in the league and three other seniors that had played a very big part on an elite 8 team.  Four of five seniors last year had started multiple games over the course of their carer despite being a year behind Morris, Devins, Murray, and Stroberg.  This year they are picked 2nd with four first place votes and they graduated all five starters.  Very surprising.

I think this Trinity team COULD be good in the end, but to pick them that high in the pre-season seems crazy.  Brandon York is very, very good and Casey Hill and Mike Gilb are ready to play bigger roles, Barret Koch will prove to be a solid player, but I am not even sure who will even play after that and I am pretty sure that the rest of the SCAC can't know either.   

Good luck to everyone as the season starts tonight.  Hopefully the pre-season poll will prove to be more or less correct. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on November 17, 2006, 01:03:15 PM
I think Carl hit the nail on the head.  Last years Trinity team had proven players who had started in the past, of the 5 starters off last years Trinity team, 4 had started before last season.  This years team is much less experienced.  Aside from York, no one else saw significant playing time last year.  Gilb, Casey Hill, and Koch all got some playing time last year but I wouldn't call any of them key contributors.  You can count on Coach Cunningham to have his ball club ready to play defense but I see two challenges for this years team, rebounding and scoring.  Aside from Gilb, this team lacks size on the interior.  Last years team also lacked size but had athletic swing men like James Lake and Ross Burt who would attack the glass.  The way I see it, York is the only guy on this years Trinity team who can score the basketball.  I wouldn't be suprised if he is the only player who averages in double figures for the year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2006, 05:02:37 PM
I'm glad to see Millsaps ranked 4th instead of higher up.  With the conference being so balanced it will be tough for a team to get to 20 wins but I think Millsaps will finish up with 18 wins or better.  I'm counting on that first win coming tonight and the second win coming tomorrow.  The potential is there, now they just have to find the focus each night and build off the momentum of the football team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 18, 2006, 12:36:39 AM
Hendrix beat Rhema tonight in overtime.  Matt Secrease, who led all scorers with 28 points, shot a three pointer to move the game into overtime.  Secrease passed 1000 points during the game.  The team, although heavy with freshmen, looked great even with several out due to  injuries and illness. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3bballfollower on November 18, 2006, 01:44:06 AM
from the scores i've seen the SCAC is 5-0 on day 1...not a bad start
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2006, 06:51:51 AM
Quote from: warriorfan on November 18, 2006, 12:36:39 AM
Hendrix beat Rhema tonight in overtime.  Matt Secrease, who led all scorers with 28 points, shot a three pointer to move the game into overtime.  Secrease passed 1000 points during the game.  The team, although heavy with freshmen, looked great even with several out due to  injuries and illness. 

Rhema is not usually a heavy hitter.  Have they added talent?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 18, 2006, 08:45:50 AM
Rhema had some kids that were dangerous from the three point line.  They also had a very vocal bench  and crowd that got their players pumped up at the right times.  From talk in the crowd, they were a much improved team over last year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on November 18, 2006, 09:10:02 PM
Oglethorpe is off to a great start.  They beat Carver College 98-72, which was a game that they should have won.  Today however, they played a very talented and athletic NC Wesleyan team and won 99-81.  They led by 30 at one point in the second half.  The Petrels are off to their first 2-0 start since 1998, and if they continue to play this well, they should have a good season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on November 19, 2006, 09:59:11 AM
Roanoke beat Sewanee 83-81 at Roanoke.  Eddy did not play and Pursell was limited.  Anybody know how strong Roanoke is?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 19, 2006, 11:48:02 AM
Hendrix lost by 1 to Westminster in the Rhodes Tip Off Classic Saturday afternoon.  Hendrix led by 1 at the half, found themselves down by 7 then went on a 6 point run.  They held the Blue Jays scoreless in the last 4 minutes of the game but came up short.  Freshman Cal Rose led the Warriors with 17. 

I have a question.  During the Hendrix/Rhema game, two fouls called on two seperate players were officially posted to a third player (Andrew King), causing this third player to foul out early in the game.  This is the first time I recall seeing this happen.  Anyone seen anything like this before?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2006, 01:01:43 PM
Quote from: warriorfan on November 19, 2006, 11:48:02 AM
Hendrix lost by 1 to Westminster in the Rhodes Tip Off Classic Saturday afternoon.  Hendrix led by 1 at the half, found themselves down by 7 then went on a 6 point run.  They held the Blue Jays scoreless in the last 4 minutes of the game but came up short.  Freshman Cal Rose led the Warriors with 17. 

I have a question.  During the Hendrix/Rhema game, two fouls called on two seperate players were officially posted to a third player (Andrew King), causing this third player to foul out early in the game.  This is the first time I recall seeing this happen.  Anyone seen anything like this before?

No, but it seems like an effective strategy to me!

Have Wooster/Witt or Hope/Calvin tried it before?  ;D :D ;D :D ;) :) 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 19, 2006, 01:18:57 PM
Wooster/Witt?  Hope/Calvin?  Are these refs?  Coach Priest closely and quickly followed the refs off of the court at the Westminster game yesterday.  As soon as the refs took off, he was on their heels!!!!  The refs blew the whistle, hustled off of the court and Priest hustled off with them.  The very end of the game was questionable.  It looked as though a whistle should have been blown with a couple of seconds left on the clock.  There was some hesitation by the officials.  Instead, they blew the whistle to end the game and quickly exited.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2006, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: irion on November 19, 2006, 09:59:11 AM
Roanoke beat Sewanee 83-81 at Roanoke.  Eddy did not play and Pursell was limited.  Anybody know how strong Roanoke is?
The Roanoke Maroons are a middle-of-the-pack ODAC team.  They were 14-11, 8-10 (6th of 10) in 2005-06 and are a preseason tie for 5th this year.  The ODAC, however, is a tough conference with defending national champ Virginia Wesleyan plus nationally ranked Hampden-Sydney and Randolph-Macon.  I also think Guilford (preseason #4) will get some votes this year in national polls.  So far,  the Quakers beat Elon (DI) in an exhibition game and clearly was the best team at the Roanoke tournament defeating Robert Morris, 101-77, and Sewanee, 91-78 (Sewanee was down 91-68, but scored the last ten points when all the reserves were on the court).   For comparative scores, Robert Morris beat Roanoke today, 79-75. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 20, 2006, 08:55:35 AM
Millsaps looked good in two wins this weekend.  The first against Pensacola Christian is one of those games where everyone dressed out gets some minutes and it was hard to tell much about the Millsaps team.  Millsaps won 93-62 with 10 players getting double-digit minutes of playing time and no one getting more than 21 minutes.

The second game was a 79-69 win over Rust College.  Rust is a fairly solid team and they usually do well in the early season against the SCAC teams in this area.  Millsaps looked a little sluggish in the first half which ended up tied but played better in the second half for the 10 point victory.  Rodney Rogan (20 pts, 10 rbs) and Edrick Montgomery (15 pts, 12 rbs) had double-doubles and Lorenzo Bailey and Allen Odum chipped in 16 and 10 points respectively. 

The Millsaps team will look very similar to last year's team with most of the key player's back.  The biggest exception to that is the absence of Tyler Warren, but it looks like all of the returning players have stepped up their game a bit to cover for that loss.  There is more depth on the inside this year but the biggest improvement in depth on the inside will be if Edrick Montgomery can cut down on the foul problems that plagued him last year.  It's a good sign that he played 27 minutes against Rust with only 3 fouls.

Millsaps will get a good test this Tuesday against in-town opponent Belhaven College, an NAIA school that recently lost to D1 Murray State 72-73 at Murray State.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 20, 2006, 11:22:02 AM
Time to make the switch to B-Ball...

Rhodes looked good this weekend. A tough faught game against Westminster to lose by 3, then a good game vs. Rhema to get the win.

The team is talented, and have their sites set on their second consecutive SCAC tourney bid this year. They are young though and will have to get the chemistry down to really challenge the teams in the middle of the conference.

Losing the seniors from last year (Almefty, Jakes, Strong) hurts, a lot. But there are some really talented freshmen that are stepping into certain roles and getting good playing time. The team is hungry and playing that way, they want to show people that Rhodes is going to play hard and fight in every game. This is not the same Rhodes team as the program has been in past years. Once they get a few things ironed out they will make some noise.

The team is young (having only one senior fighting back from an injury, and starting only a couple juniors), but most of the players got good experience last year, so they are aware of the competion level in the SCAC, and it shouldn't be a problem. It will be fun to watch them progress this season and into the SCAC Tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on November 20, 2006, 06:04:33 PM
Congratulations to Matt Nestheide of Centre College and Andrew Tulowitsky of Oglethorpe University for being named players of the week in the SCAC.  It looks like both guards had great weekends and led there team to two big wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 20, 2006, 08:51:05 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity Starters)

carlweathers & Borat NOT,

Charles Houston "will play" for the Tigers, and "can score".
Comments?

                                                           :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 20, 2006, 09:25:09 PM
SCAC Men's Hoops Weekly for Week 1:

http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/112006mbasketballupdate.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/112006mbasketballupdate.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2006, 12:38:30 PM
I just heard a rather shocking D3 score that adds some interest to the Millsaps-Belhaven game this evening.  Mississippi College, preseason #2 in one of the polls, lost at home in OT to Wesley College last night.  Wesley College is a local school that in the past has been a nice early season game that allows the opposing team to play all of their players.  Apparently that's not the case this year.

Wesley is now 9-1, with their one loss coming last week at home to visiting Belhaven.  Belhaven beat Wesley 93-73 and then Wesley turns around and beats Mississippi College.  It should be an interesting game this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 21, 2006, 02:20:28 PM
Frank,
I saw that MC/Wesley score too and was completely shocked.  It will be interesting to see the outsome of the Millsaps/Belhaven game. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on November 21, 2006, 02:45:24 PM
ETG

I agree with your comments about Charles Houston.  He had a great weekend and will need to score for them to have a good year.  My original comments were more that there weren't many people returning who were proven scorers outside of York.  In Houston's playing time last year he didn't look to score.  You could argue that wasn't his role, however in comparing this years team of newcomers to last years team of newcomers, players like Burt, Bates and Lake had come off the bench to score points the year before they became starters.  If Houston can keep this up, it will be a huge lift for Trinity. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 21, 2006, 02:51:17 PM
Quote from: irion on November 19, 2006, 09:59:11 AM
Roanoke beat Sewanee 83-81 at Roanoke.  Eddy did not play and Pursell was limited.  Anybody know how strong Roanoke is?

Why didn't Eddy play? He's not hurt again, is he?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: consultant on November 21, 2006, 02:20:28 PM
Frank,
I saw that MC/Wesley score too and was completely shocked.  It will be interesting to see the outsome of the Millsaps/Belhaven game. 

Quick Time file (http://www.wesleycollege.edu/Athletics/BBPicts%20Games/11/21/06%20pictures/QT%2011.21.06.mp4) of the Wesley MC game.

http://www.wesleycollege.edu/Athletics/BBPicts%20Games/11/21/06%20pictures/QT%2011.21.06.mp4

Maybe that works!?!?!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on November 21, 2006, 08:10:22 PM
OLd Lion,
Eddy is hurt, same injury as last year - hamstring.  Rowland broke his hand in the Guilford game and Pursell had a ankle sprain.  With everybody healthy they may be competitive in the SCAC, but so far that has not happened.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2006, 08:48:40 AM
Millsaps lost to Belhaven 69-60 last night.  It was a good news/bad news deal, with the good news being that Millsaps played bad.  Millsaps started off slow as I think they were adjusting to the size and athletic ability of a good NAIA team (just a reminder that Belhaven lost to D1 Murray State by 1 last week and they beat Wesley by 20 a few days before Wesley beat highly ranked Mississippi College).  As the game progressed Millsaps got into the flow of the game much better and the Belhaven lead was down to about 4 points with 5-6 minutes to play.

At that point Millsaps missed a few shots, then had to start taking some quick 3's which they didn't hit, and Belhaven took a double-digit lead again before Millsaps reduced the margin to 9 points at the end.

I don't have any box scores to go by at the moment so I'm just going by impression and memory.  Millsaps shot poorly from beyond the 3.  Some of that was the defense, some might have been the effort the Millsaps players were expending on defense, and some might have been the pressure of getting behind a good team early.  It is probably a situation where they really missed a Tyler Warren who was always counted on as their go-to guy.  I'm not sure if Millsaps needs a specific main guy in crunch situations, but the players need to relax and just take their shots without any doubts that maybe they aren't the ones who should be shooting.

On the plus side, Edrick Montgomery was tough on the boards as usual and he didn't get in foul trouble against a big strong team which is unusual.  Last year Edrick showed stretches of being the best player in the SCAC, this year I hope to see him show the consistency of playing like that throughout the season.  Also, the defense play pretty hard all night and Millsaps was able to 9 or 10 players who all held their own during the game.  The Millsaps bench will be a strength this year and that hasn't always been the case over the last few years.  It's a sign that Millsaps is putting together a good program in basketball that should be able to compete year after year.

One last comment about the game is a comment I heard after the game.  Two of the star players from the Millsaps NCAA teams of the mid-90's were at the game.  One of them commented about how they would open the season 8-0 because they didn't play any good teams and then they wouldn't be really fully tested when the SCAC season started.  This Belhaven game is one that should help Millsaps a lot in preparation for the SCAC season so it was a good game to play even if Millsaps didn't play very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2006, 09:55:38 AM
Just a quick note that I have the photos from the Millsaps vs. Pensacola Christian game posted.  I'll get the Rust and Belhaven games done sometime over the Thanksgiving Holidays--the time consuming part of all this isn't taking the photos but all the work that comes after the photos are taken.  Here's the link to the Millsaps photos:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on November 22, 2006, 10:11:22 AM
Got my first chance to see the Trinity team live last night.  They lost to Mary Hardn Baylor and, frankly speaking, didn't look good doing it.  My overall assesment is that they are a team still looking for an identity, especially on offense.  They never seemed to be able to get into any rhythm and establish a flow.  This is to be expected perhaps given the relative inexperience level of the team at this point.

As is usual for a Pat Cunningham team they work very hard on defense.  The stats doing always show it, but Mike Gilb's interior defense is strong.  He's not a shot blocker, but does yeoman's work denying the entry pass and has already taken 5 charges in the first three games.  Brandon York never really got started and Charles Houston struggled from the field.

You could see that Coach Cunningham went way down the bench looking for which of the sophomores are going to make consistent contributions to the team and establish themselves in the rotation.  Again I think this team is a work in progress.  The pieces are there.  Will they fit together is the question a long season will answer.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 22, 2006, 11:35:51 AM
Frank,

It looks like the Majors also have Wesley (previously discussed) and Southeastern LA (scholarship program) on their schedule, so hopefully those games will also help toward conference play in the long run.  I wish they were able to play MC, it would make sense since the schools play each other in most every other sport.  Of course that would be an excellent test to see the caliber of this team!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2006, 11:58:29 AM
I think the deal with MC is that they have very few open slots on their schedule because they play so many conference games--someone correct me on this if I'm wrong.  I also think I vaguely remember hearing someone say that MC was happy to play Millsaps at Mississippi College but they didn't want to do a home and away deal.  That may have changed, but I think that was the hang up at one time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2006, 12:11:26 PM
ATTENTION TO TRINITY FANS:

I'll take care of some old business since we have at least one Trinity fan posting and some players might be reading the message board.  I took photos at the Trinity vs. Maryville game in the NCAA Tournament last year.  It wasn't Trinity's best game of the season but it was NCAA Tournament action.

Coach Cunningham has a CD with all of my photos but I think they only give out photos to the graduating seniors at Trinity so probably no one has seen the whole set of photos.  They are posted on one of my photo websites under the "Sports Related Photo Albums".  Just click on that link and then you'll see a link for the Trinity vs. Maryville game. 

Here's the link to the photo site:  http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a38/F_L_E/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 22, 2006, 02:05:38 PM
Playing a tough non-conference schedule certainly helps you prepare for conference play, so I would agree that Millsaps is doing the right thing in playing some tough opponents early on.

Millsaps is still a fairly young team, and, like Trinity, has yet to find an identity.  Millsaps should build on the success that the team had last season. 

I'm not sure why Millsaps and MC don't compete in basketball.  The two teams compete in everything else.  Maybe something will get worked out in the near future.

I imagine that the conference race will be a fun one this year. 

Happy Thanksgiving to all !!! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John_Wesley on November 22, 2006, 03:41:02 PM
We (Wesley College) actually beat Belhaven AT Belhaven by double figures a week before they beat us.  The home game with them was really strange.  They got hot behind the arc and nothing we shot would fall.  One of our players told me that the whole game just felt wrong.

And lets not talk about the officiating that night :)

They killed us on the glass, but that happens when they are allowed to use our players as step-stools.

Against MC, a media timeout pulled our biscuits out of the fire.  MC was on a run and had pulled out to a 13 point lead with 10 minutes left...timeout...We calmed down and got the momentum back.

Truth be told, we probably have 2 players who MIGHT start for MC and that is it...just don't tell them that.  Heart is immeasurable.

Wesley is a tiny (but growing) Bible College in Florence Mississippi (10 miles south of Jackson).  We are the smallest school in the NCCAA's.  We don't have the numbers to get into physical games.  We have some good players, but there is a huge difference in the sheer number of players.  As I posted on the ASC board, this weekend is brutal for us...Millsaps and Rhodes in Memphis, drive to Mobile, Springhill and U of Mobile...all in 5 days.  I think we could hang with Springhill and Mobile, but we may be too tired to.


Take Care and God Bless

"Best of all, God is with us!"
- John Wesley's final words, March 2, 1791
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 24, 2006, 02:25:13 PM
I went to the Rhodes website to see if there was any preview of the 4 team tournament they are having (Rhodes, Millsaps, Wesley and Dallas).  The most recent basketball story they have is the upset against Trinity in the first round of last year's SCAC Tournament.  There's no story on the loss in the semifinals, a preview of this season, or the first 3 games of the season.  I can understand wanting to savor that big victory, but isn't it time to get back to the present?

Millsaps plays Wesley at 5 today (Friday), the 2nd game of an 11 game road stretch.  The closest they get to Jackson during the next 10 games is a couple of games that are about 150 miles from the campus.  I'll probably next see them playing at Rhodes on January 6th and I expect to see a much improved team mostly because I think the players will become more cohesive as the season progresses.  They have a lot of talent this year but they need to all find their role and they need some leadership to step forward. 

I know some of the road games will be broadcast (sorry Pat, it's some of the same guys who did football) and I'll try to post that info as it become available.  In the meantime, I do have the photos up from the Rust College and Belhaven games.  It looks like that will be all the guys get for 2006.  Here's the link:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 24, 2006, 07:02:55 PM
Frank I have to agree with you. They NEED to update the website. I'm gonna try to call somebody this weekend and get them on top of that. I'm even tired of seeing the write up for the Trinity game last year as the top story. I agree with you, it's a great win, but we can't live in the past. Hopefully it'll change some time soon (this week would be great).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 24, 2006, 10:14:02 PM
Millsaps defeated Wesley tonight 70-57 at the Rhodes tournament.  Millsaps will play Univ. of Dallas on Saturday.  Dallas defeated Rhodes 69-57 tonight. I have no additional stats to report from either contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on November 24, 2006, 11:27:10 PM
First post here. 

Sounds like a nice win for Millsaps, considering the success that Wesley has had.

The SCAC is going to be totally up for grabs this year.  I have to like Millsaps.  I saw a few of the SCAC teams play last year and I think Millsaps will have the edge in athleticism on most of the league.  When Sandro Norris starts playing, that will give the Majors a really tough inside game.  He started freshman year, transferred for his sophomore year, and returned this year.  Ask Trinity's big 6'11 guy from 2 years ago if he remembers him....Sandro got a monster jam on him.  I haven't been to a game this year but I see that he hasn't gotten any playing time. 

Looking at the stats, Millsaps' achilles heel remains at the free throw line.  There were a couple games that I thought we could have pulled out had made some free throws.

It should be a fun year. 




Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 25, 2006, 02:39:12 AM
Welcome aboard MajorAlum.  Not sure I know you.  I believe Millsaps will do well this year, and I am looking forward to getting a report on Friday's Wesley game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2006, 09:30:56 AM
Looks like it is Millsaps people who were most interested in the Friday night results.  Like the others, I haven't found any stats for the Millsaps vs. Wesley game.  I still find it a little perplexing that Rhodes is writing up the stories for the women's basketball team this year but they haven't posted a word about the men's games.

The results from Friday in Memphis make this afternoon's games fairly interesting.  It will be interesting to see if Wesley bounces back against Rhodes or is Wesley a team that simply caught a few teams by surprise at the beginning and they won't be able to maintain that momentum.  And Dallas beat Rhodes by 12 and the Millsaps-Dallas result today will give some sort of comparitive score for Rhodes and Millsaps.

Just a note before going on to other things this Saturday morning.  I haven't looked at everyone else's schedule but it seems like Millsaps has a great schedule this season based on returning players and the opinion of the coaches:
1)  Millsaps opens up SCAC play at the start of December with the road trip to Southwestern and Trinity.  Both of those teams lost all 5 starters from last year so it seems like playing them on the road early in the year is an advantage.
2)  The coaches say DePauw and Centre are the 1st and 3rd best teams in the league and they also are a long way from the Millsaps campus.  They come to Millsaps this year but Millsaps doesn't go to DePauw or Centre.
3)  The coaches say Hendrix and Austin are the 9th and 10th teams in the league (I'm just reporting the results of the poll).  Millsaps goes to those two schools to play and those are the schools that don't come to Millsaps.  Those are two shorter trips against supposedly easier teams (again, I'm just reporting how the coaches voted).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on November 25, 2006, 10:56:13 AM
Frank,

I noticed an earlier poster mention Sandro Norris... is he playing this year?  If so, why hasn't he played yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2006, 12:27:21 PM
Sandro is in school at Millsaps and I haven't mentioned that because apparently there are family situations that might lead to him transferring at the semester.  That's what I've heard--I don't know the details--and I don't think the details need to be discussed on a message board.

Until there is some certainly in the situation, I don't think they want to play Sandro and have him lose a year of eligibility for just a few games.  If Sandro does play then Millsaps becomes a bigger better team.  If he doesn't play then I think Millsaps will look to more minutes from Edwick Montgomery this year and some added help from freshman Chris Ingle at the center position.  They also look stronger at the forward positions with Chris Sanders, Russell Booth and Ross James all looking like they will be stronger this year at the 3 and 4 spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 26, 2006, 02:00:51 AM
FDU-Florham?  Seriously?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on November 26, 2006, 03:18:09 AM
I'm sure I have a few years on you consultant.  I do not get to a whole lot of games.

Millsaps loses today to University of Dallas 73-64.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Millsaps has handled Dallas fairly easily in the last few years.  Edrick Montgomery with 28 on the night.  Rogan held to 2.  Majors outrebounded 43-26 while shooting 36 percent from the floor.  Millsaps hit 3-of-15 from 3-point range.  The Majors only had eight turnovers. 

http://millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-1125.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 26, 2006, 08:38:06 AM
A closer look at the Millsaps box score shows some freightening numbers.  Rodney only scoring 2 points in 31 minutes is hard to believe.  Oddly enough, his two points were the first bucket of the game and he was shut out the rest of the way.  Edrick Montgomery was 12-16 which isn't that unexpected and Allen Odum was 5-7 which is the type of shooting he is capable of, but the rest of the team was 6 of 40 from the field which comes out to 15% shooting. 

I've watched the Millsaps team enough to know that these guys are potentially very good shooters.  When I see numbers like this game and numbers like they had in the Belhaven game (30% from the field which broke down to 38% from 3-point range and 25% from 2-point range), I have to feel like guys just aren't concentrating on their shot.  I don't know if they are worried about getting shots blocked or worrying about maybe they should pass off to another guy or whatever else they might be thinking about, but these guys just need to trust in their abilities and put the ball in the hoop.

I did see that Rhodes beat Wesley so I think the results of the weekend show that right now Rhodes and Millsaps are two fairly even teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on November 26, 2006, 06:31:47 PM
Oglethorpe split games this weekend at the Emory Classic.  On Saturday, the petrels lost to a very tough Maryville team, who is ranked #23, by the score of 92-88.  On Sunday, the petrels beat a very scrappy lagrange team 87-83.  Ahmad Kareem Shaheed continued his strong play with games of 20 points on saturday and 24 points and 15 rebounds on Sunday.  Andrew Tulowitsky had 22 points in each of the two games.  The Petrels are now 3-1, and face Emory on Wednesday, who knocked off ranked Maryville on Sunday.  Should be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on November 26, 2006, 10:33:23 PM
After a 20-2 run Saturday afternoon, Hendrix went on to beat Principia 90-50.  Coach Priest took advantage of the game and played everyone.  Freshman Cal Rose led all scorers with 23.  Sunday's game against Rhema was also successful.  At one time during the game, Hendrix led by 30.  Again, after obtaining a nice lead all players got a chance to show their skills.  This is the second time these two teams have met.  Hendrix beat Rhema at the Rhodes Classic in overtime.  Hendrix will play Rust College at Grove Gym Wednesday evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 27, 2006, 08:07:57 AM
I may have written this in an earlier post, but I don't think any team in the SCAC will match the 12-2 league record posted by Trinity last year.  I just don't see anyone being able to go undefeated at home and also finishing 5-2 on the road this year (or 6-1 at home, 6-1 on the road, etc.).

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think 11-3 is almost a guarantee for a team to be the outright champions and 10-4 has a good shot at putting a team at the top of the SCAC this season.  It would probably be a co-championship deal at 10-4 and I think that's what we will probably see this season.  The SCAC seems to have gone the way of the NFL with parity being the key and not a lot of difference between the top teams and the ones that will finish up in the lower tier. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on November 27, 2006, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on November 26, 2006, 02:00:51 AM
FDU-Florham?  Seriously?


what do you mean??
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 27, 2006, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: d3allstar on November 27, 2006, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on November 26, 2006, 02:00:51 AM
FDU-Florham?  Seriously?
what do you mean??

I couldn't believe they lost.  If past records are any indication, FDU-Florham is not so good at basketball. 

I'm a little shocked at how it's going early in the season for 2-3 Trinity.  Although I guess FDU-F also beat Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3bballfollower on November 27, 2006, 02:47:16 PM
FDU- Florham did beat Southwestern...Caplan was 11-12 from the floor and had 26 for the pirates, but no one else stepped up and they just didn't have the defensive effort

SU did come back the next night and beat a very good Chicago team by 12 after shooting a blistering 85% in the second half inicluding 77% from beyond the arc

SU at 4-1 and Trinity at 2-3...I expect those records to be somewhat flip-flopped by the end of the year
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 28, 2006, 12:41:28 AM
Gotta say I was a tad bit surprised to see DePauw as the third team out in this week's Top 25.  I guess I was little surprised to see they had any votes at all to start the year after 15-13 last year.  However, they are the defending conference champs and are playing some darn good basketball right now. 

Fellow SCAC friends, Tony James is a name you should write down.  He's going to be a dandy of a ball player for Coach Fen for the next four years.  He and Mike Moore make a danged fine of a combo at the 1.  They've even played at the same time a little bit and looked pretty good.

Southwestern also had some votes, I believe.  Probably helped by them beating Chicago. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 28, 2006, 09:32:39 AM
There have been a number of Depauw freshmen that have started/played good minutes in the backcourt that have not become the next big thing.  Jon Owens, Joey Hanger, Robert Davis.  The first two had solid careers but not spectacular by any means and weren't even consistant starters as seniors.  Robert Davis disappeared. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 28, 2006, 11:28:52 AM
SCAC Men's Hoops Weekly for Week 2:

http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/112706mbasketballupdate.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/112706mbasketballupdate.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 28, 2006, 05:56:22 PM
Quote from: carlweathers on November 28, 2006, 09:32:39 AM
There have been a number of Depauw freshmen that have started/played good minutes in the backcourt that have not become the next big thing.  Jon Owens, Joey Hanger, Robert Davis.  The first two had solid careers but not spectacular by any means and weren't even consistant starters as seniors.  Robert Davis disappeared. 


I don't recall the day that Robert Davis was talked about as being "the next big thing" over Alex Stewart.  Also, Rob Davis quit.  It's not like he suddenly became terrible.

Furthermore, Jon Owens started 21 games his senior year.  Joey Hanger started 17 of 24, but if memory serves, missed time with a hand injury.

There's a difference between seeing solid minutes as a freshman in the backcourt and being a very good basketball player.  Tony James plays somewhat similar to Mike Moore. Pretty darn good passer, great off the dribble, and fast as all get out.  Moore, by the way, isn't fading since being "the next big thing" his freshman year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 28, 2006, 09:53:56 PM
DPU beat Wabash 92-82 at the Neal Fieldhouse this evening.  DPU went on a nice little run to end the first half and broke it wide open and led by as many as 16 in the second half.  Austin Brown led five DPU players in double figures with 18 & 8 boards.   

DePauw's a darned good basketball team when they shoot 50% or better.

Brian Oilar didn't play after he took a nasty spill in Saturday's win against Ohio Wesleyan.  I'm a little concerned about that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 29, 2006, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: carlweathers on November 28, 2006, 09:32:39 AM
There have been a number of Depauw freshmen that have started/played good minutes in the backcourt that have not become the next big thing.  Jon Owens, Joey Hanger, Robert Davis.  The first two had solid careers but not spectacular by any means and weren't even consistant starters as seniors.  Robert Davis disappeared. 


I'm imagine someone will correct me on this but wasn't Jon Owens referred to as "The Franchise" during his freshman year by one of the DePauw guys who posted here?  He turned out to be a very solid player but few could live up to the initial hype that was given his freshman year.  I think Carl is simply pointing out that predicting the future career of any D3 freshman is a very inaccurate science.

And in defense of Jon, he played on some very good teams and in a position where they didn't need him to be a huge star.  Sometimes the stars in the SCAC are the guys who benefit from playing on the weaker teams and they are called upon to do far more as individuals than the players on the better teams.  That gets back to the argument of who should make the All-SCAC teams, the best players from the best teams or the players with the best individual stats but that's an argument that can wait for a few months.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 29, 2006, 09:03:16 AM
On a more current note, I see that Southwestern lost at Dallas 58-46 last night.  Dallas beat Rhodes by 12 and Millsaps by 9 at the Rhodes Classic last weekend so they are on a roll against SCAC teams.

The teams that are in the middle location of the SCAC have a few teams that make the rounds and provide scores against common opponents.  Rust College is one of those teams and they recently won at Rhodes by 2 after losing at Millsaps by 10.  On the other hand Rhodes and Millsaps both beat Wesley by about the same margin and then Wesley rebounded by beating NAIA Spring Hill in Mobile.  Just more example of how close the SCAC teams will be this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 29, 2006, 06:37:17 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 29, 2006, 09:03:16 AM
On a more current note, I see that Southwestern lost at Dallas 58-46 last night.  Dallas beat Rhodes by 12 and Millsaps by 9 at the Rhodes Classic last weekend so they are on a roll against SCAC teams.

DPU gets their shot at Dallas in Tampa right after Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 30, 2006, 07:57:05 AM
And I'll be pulling for DPU to win that game.  I cheer for Millsaps first but I also am a fan of all the SCAC teams when they are playing outside competition.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on December 01, 2006, 01:03:10 AM
Sewanee lost to Emery tonight 78-61.  Eddy and Rowland were out and Pursell has not practiced for 4 weeks, but still played.  They closed the gap to 4 in the second half, but could not finish.  Same story in 3 of 4 losses.  They will not be at full strenght until January.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2006, 09:48:44 AM
For those with no social life and an interest in Millsaps or Southwestern basketball, there will be live coverage of the game tonight via GameTracker.  Game time starts at 8 Central, you should be able to get to GameTracker from this link:

http://southwesternpirates.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/swtx-m-baskbl-sched.html
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 01, 2006, 12:45:13 PM
In much the same light as Frank's recent post and comment about the lack of a social life, Trinity is webcasting its home games this year.  (They are not yet sure about the games during the holiday break due to announcer availabilty.  This is TBD)  They will also do live stats for all home games including those during the holidays.  The links are:

MEN'S LIVE STATS:

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/05livestats/xlive.htm

WEBCAST:

http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu-sports.m3u

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2006, 12:50:15 PM
Thanks for that post JJ--there is no indication on the Trinity basketball pages that the games are being webcast (at least it wasn't very evident for a non-Trinity person who was looking for that information.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2006, 12:53:45 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2006, 09:48:44 AM
For those with no social life and an interest in Millsaps or Southwestern basketball, there will be live coverage of the game tonight via GameTracker.  Game time starts at 8 Central, you should be able to get to GameTracker from this link:

http://southwesternpirates.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/swtx-m-baskbl-sched.html

Wait a second, Frank,

I thought that the T-shirt said,

"Southwestern Basketball is life!  The rest is just details!"

:D  ;)  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on December 01, 2006, 02:59:57 PM
The Trinity games will be webcast by two former players Mitchell Walker and James Lake.  It should be pretty interesting as they are both amateurs. 

This will be my second look at the Trinity team tonight.  I'll be interested to see who shows up to play.  The scoring has been very inconsistent this year except for Charles Houston.  Go Tigers!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2006, 09:30:05 PM
Southwestern 21 Millsaps 16 7:04 left per Gametracker
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2006, 09:48:12 PM
Halftime score is SW 36 and Millsaps 24.  Millsaps is only shooting 32% on 7 for 22 shooting.  Fortunately they have hit 8 of 9 free throws or this game might be close to over.

To be honest, I thought Millsaps would be strong right from the start this season since they have so many players who have played a lot of minutes in previous seasons.  Apparently that's not going to be the case and they are going to have to grow a lot as the season progresses.  I guess the biggest surprise is the poor shooting from a team that seems to have a lot of good shooters.  Maybe they'll heat up in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2006, 10:47:14 PM
Millsaps keep chipping away during the 2nd half.  Gets a tie or two but no lead.  Chris Sanders steals the ball and Millsaps calls a timeout with 13 seconds remaining, SW leading 68-67.  Lorenzo Bailey hits 3 pointer with 5 seconds left, SW misses at buzzer.  Millsaps wins 70-68.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2006, 10:54:05 PM
After going 7 for 22 in first half, Millsaps hits 16 of 24 in second half to finish at an even 50%.  That included 60% shooting from 3 point range (9 of 15).  Edrick Montgomery had 21 points and 9 rebounds to lead the game in both catagories.  Lorenzo Bailey finished with 12 points and Allen Odom and Rodney Rogan both finished with 11.

For Southwestern they had a lot of scoring spread out with only Matt Caplan in double figures with 13.  He was also their leading rebounder with 5. 

It was a great comeback for Millsaps but hopefully they will seldom be in a position where they have to come back so far after halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2006, 10:58:18 PM
And finally, I see that Rhodes also came back to post a 2-point victory over Trinity.  Trinty won the first half 35-33 but Rhodes outscored them 34-30 in the second half for a 67-65 victory.  Here's a box score:

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/05livestats/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on December 02, 2006, 08:07:54 AM
Nice win by Millsaps and Rhodes.  I thought Millsaps would have come out firing (and hitting) in the first half, but I'll take the second half hot streak.  Pat, I hope that you enjoyed the game.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on December 03, 2006, 01:24:58 AM
Hendrix extended their winning streak tonight to 4 with a conference win over Austin.  At one time, the Warriors led by 20 points.  They never trailed during the game and had a final score of 72-55.  Freshman Cal Rose led all scorers with 15, followed by sophomore Andrew King who scored a double double with 13 rebounds and 12 points.  Matt Secrease continued his sharp shooting from the charity stripe going 6/6 and 12 total points.  Secrease is now 16/16 from the line for the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on December 03, 2006, 01:32:14 AM
Sewanee beat Oglethorpe tonight 81-77.  The Sewanee team that showed up tonight can play with anyone in the conference.  Sewanee plays Emory again on Wednesday night after getting drilled by the same team last Thursday.  It will be a good test.  Rowland and Eddy are out until January, Pursell still can't practice - he just plays the games and rehabs his ankle and knee the rest of the time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 03, 2006, 03:39:34 AM
DePauw beat Centre 73-67 earlier this afternoon.  DePauw was pretty much in control the entire way, but Centre put together a nice litttle run towards the end to cut it to as few as four with about 20 seconds left.

Stephen Schott dropped 25 for DPU.  Matt  McDonald, Austin Brown, and Reid Sakel also played some darned good minutes today.

DPU's got Maryville, Illinois Institute of Technollogy, and Kenyon before Christmas.  They might just be looking at 8-1 when they head to Tampa after the holiday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 03, 2006, 01:45:37 PM
Deja vu in Texas.  Millsaps has shot 28% in the first half on 9 of 32 from the field which included 2 for 14 from 3 point range.  As often happens that shooting percentage is helped by Montgomery's shooting.  Take out his 4 of 7 in the first half and the shooing percentage drops to 20%.

Fortunately for Millsaps, Trinity is also playing poorly and they only lead 23-21.  Trinity has hit 9 of 28 from the field (32%), 3 of 11 from 3 point range (27%), and 2 of 6 from the free throw line (33%).

Certainly it is an easier task to overcome a 2-point halftime lead than the 12-point lead that Millsaps overcame on Friday, but the shooting has to come around if Millsaps wants to be in the hunt for the SCAC title.  Maybe they'll get hot in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 03, 2006, 02:47:09 PM
Trinity wins 57-53 with the second half simply being a repeat of the first half.  Millsaps finishes game hitting 22 of 67 for 33% (take out Montgomery's 8 of 14 and you are below 27%).  On three pointers they hit 5 of 28 for 18%.

On another note, the two guys broadcasting the game were pretty good.  I heard them say that 8 people listened to the Friday night game but they didn't have a number for today's game.  Maybe it was more today since there was a link on the Trinity webpage for the game unlike Friday night.  Anyway, thanks to the guys for webcasting the game and I hope they'll at least give you free water as compensation for future games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 03, 2006, 03:52:17 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity vs. Millsaps)

Frank Ezelle,

How unlike you Frank (did you see the game), not to give Trinity credit for playing their great type of Defense in this game against Millsaps. The Tiger D just kept Millsaps from taking a reasonable shot time-after-time-after-time. The Tiger Offense is questionable at this point; however the Defense has been terrific in all of their games (actually good enough to win most if not all of the games with any added scoring punch at all). When will the scoring come?

Don't count Trinity out at SCAC Tournament Time.

                                                         :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 03, 2006, 04:35:19 PM
Just going by the comments of the Trinity broadcasters, it didn't sound like all of the missed 3 pointers were because of hand in the face pressure.  Maybe that was the case, but my point is that this wasn't a one game dip. 

Against Dallas, Millsaps hit 23 of 63 but that included Montgomery's 12 of 16.  Take out his production and the rest of the team hit 11 of 47 for 23%.  Against Belhaven, Millsaps finished the game right at 30% shooting.  The Southwestern numbers don't look bad but that was a game with a full half of dismal shooting followed by an incredible hot streak. 

Millsaps has a lot of good shooters but as a team they have been prone to go cold for long stretches.  It might be a simple as the loss of Tyler Warren who could be counted on for a big basket when a basket was needed.  I think the leadership and the chemistry will develop over the course of the season and I think that Millsaps will also be tough by tournament time.  I just thought that this group would follow the path of the two previous NCAA Tournament groups at Millsaps--2 years of development by young players followed by 2 outstanding seasons.  It looks like this team might take 2 and a half years to hit their stride.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 03, 2006, 10:21:39 PM
Quote from: consultant on December 02, 2006, 08:07:54 AM
Nice win by Millsaps and Rhodes.  I thought Millsaps would have come out firing (and hitting) in the first half, but I'll take the second half hot streak.  Pat, I hope that you enjoyed the game.



I did, thanks.

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 04, 2006, 08:12:45 AM
That's a nice interview with Lorenzo.  He's a great guy and I was glad he was the one who hit the big shot against Southwestern.  Once he comes out of his slump it will add a lot of firepower to the Millsaps lineup.

The interview also points out the sacrifices that D3 athletes make to play their sport with the long travel hours, trying to get in study time, etc.  It just a shame that they get such little support for their efforts.  The Trinity webcast guys talked about the slim crowd at the game on Sunday and I'm afraid that it wouldn't have been any better at Millsaps.  I wish there was a way to remedy that problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2006, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on December 04, 2006, 08:12:45 AM
That's a nice interview with Lorenzo.  He's a great guy and I was glad he was the one who hit the big shot against Southwestern.  Once he comes out of his slump it will add a lot of firepower to the Millsaps lineup.

The interview also points out the sacrifices that D3 athletes make to play their sport with the long travel hours, trying to get in study time, etc.  It just a shame that they get such little support for their efforts.  The Trinity webcast guys talked about the slim crowd at the game on Sunday and I'm afraid that it wouldn't have been any better at Millsaps.  I wish there was a way to remedy that problem.

Frank, I personally object to playing a 12 noon Sunday game.  That is too close to church, but it apparently does not bother the administration and the boards at the SCAC institutions.

The SCAC has committed to the Friday/Sunday playing format, and I cannot see any other possibilities.  The ASC has the Thursday/Saturday format which is still a large loss of class time, but travel distances are not quite as onerous in some cases.

I wish that the ASC had 5 more schools...3 more on the east and 2 more on the west, but I cannot identify the likely candidates, when one considers all questions of mission/vision/peer match/ state vs public, etc, etc, etc.  Then the ASC could break into 2 conferences.

It looks like the SCAC may be wild again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 04, 2006, 01:44:35 PM
I was able to attend both games at Trinity this weekend.  Let me see if I can weigh in on some of the points made over the last couple of days. 

As far as the crowds go, there is a big difference between the Friday and Sunday attendance.  Friday night a good number of students show up and are pretty vocal in their support of the Tigers.  I don't know if they are in church or not, but their absence on Sunday is plain to see and hear.

The game against Rhodes was a big disappointment.  I think Trinity has the better talent, but frankly speaking, they threw in a real clunker of an effort.  Coach Cunningham and his staff were not pleased at all as evidenced by the fact that 4 of the starters did not start against Millsaps.  The message sent by the coaches seemed to get through as an increase of effort and intensity was plainly visible on Sunday.  There is no question that Edrick Montgomery is a talented, athletic player.  The interior defense of the Tigers, however, made it extremely difficult for him get into any kind of a groove.  Trinity is giving their Sophomores lots of playing time.  This should serve them well come tournament time.

Finally, it was announced after the game on Sunday that the Trinity win was career win number 300 for Coach Cunningham.  CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on December 05, 2006, 03:53:01 PM
Congratulations to Coach Cunningham!  You can really tell a great coach by the way he coaches to the strengths of his players and over the past 3 years you have seen him do a great job of this.  From the team with Devins and Murray, to last years teams with a handful of great wing players to this years young team, he always gets the most out of his talent. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 06, 2006, 11:35:21 PM
Well, DePauw again the only SCAC team of note regarding the d3hoops.com Top 25 poll this week.  DPU the first team out of the poll on the men's side.  I think they might creep in there next week if they can get by Maryville (Mo.) on the road this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 08, 2006, 09:00:59 AM
Not a great week for the SCAC with 3 road losses to go along with one home win.  Trinity lost on Tuesday at McMurray 75-62.  On Wednesday Rhodes lost at Rust 66-55 and Sewanee lost at Emory 91-62 while Oglethorpe won at home against Piedmont by a 95-90 margin.

While SCAC play won't resume until January 5th, it seems like the next four weeks will go a long way in seeing how the league shapes up this year.  It seems like this year is less about the talent on each team and more about how well a team is playing as a unit.  The team or teams that hit their stride over the next 4 weeks and come into January playing well will have a huge jump on those who lose focus through the holidays.

Millsaps plays at Pensacola Christian tonight in a game that should be much closer than the season opener won by Millsaps.  Belhaven played at PC last week and only came away with a 10-point victory.  The tip-off for the Millsaps game tonight is 7:30 and it can be heard over the internet at this link:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 08, 2006, 11:28:16 AM
I just heard a great story that some might enjoy during this lull in the season.

One of my nephews spent a little time at Millsaps and hopes to return soon, but at the moment he is serving with the Marine Reserves in Djibouti, Africa.  Just a few minutes ago he looked up and saw Tyler Warren who played basketball at Millsaps from 2002-2006.  Tyler (along with Andy Bates of Trinity) is now touring with the Harlem Globetrotters and playing for the always winless Washington Generals and they are doing a show at the base today. 

Halfway around the world guarding a small patch of land in Africa and a former Millsaps classmate shows up for a basketball game--what are the odds of that!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 08, 2006, 11:50:45 AM

That is a pretty incredible story, wow.  I wonder if there's any chance for Bates or Warren to make the Globetrotters.   ;)

Did I read something about the Friday/Sunday commitment by the SCAC?  I was actually counting on that this year so I could see both Tiger teams in Jackson on a Sunday and bring some recruits that are 7 and 9 years old.  However, Trinity Sports Info told me that both games will be played on a Saturday night instead.  They'll play Friday at Rhodes and then get down to Jackson for an 8:00 tipoff on Saturday, which, I have to admit, might make for a serious home court advantage for the Majors.  That schedule sounds pretty harsh to me. 

Frank, I guess I won't be able to make it to the hanger this year.  The timning is going to push us too far past curfew for the recruits.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 08, 2006, 12:17:58 PM
TU, it's probably good that the tykes can't come up to Millsaps because once they say the splendor of the Hangar Dome they would be hooked on Millsaps for life.

Regarding the Saturday game, I don't know what the story is on that.  The pocket schedule from the start of the season shows Sunday for the game but that apparently has been changed to a Saturday game.  It shouldn't be too bad for Trinity to travel from Memphis to Jackson on game day especially if they are flying.  It's not even that bad if they come by bus.

Also, not that it matters much, but how can a good guy like you have a negative karma?  I'll bump you up one to help get you out of the hole.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on December 08, 2006, 12:38:54 PM
Just a piece of info for the SCAC board, the league's ADs voted this past spring to allow teams the option to play on Friday/Saturday - mainly due to travel concerns for teams that fly. In the post 9/11 era, it seems that Sunday flight options have become more and more limited at some of the airports our teams have to fly in and out of. As long as the home school can accomodate the change, Friday/Saturday is now an option.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on December 08, 2006, 01:15:48 PM
I saw Andy Bates today in the Trinity University Dining Hall with a friend.  Does this mean he is no longer traveling with the globetrotters or are they just back in the states on a break??? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2006, 01:24:45 PM
scacsid, that makes for some interesting changes.

It will be interesting to see the way that teams handle the various trips.

Southwestern/Trinity seems a likely Fri-Sat pair.  It is only a 2 hour drive between them and both have good airports (Austin/SAT).

Austin College/ Colorado College is another.  DFW/Love Field or CSprings/DIA gives some choices.  Those are only 2 hour flights apart.

Does Oglethorpe/Sewanee become a Fri/Sat?

Does Hendrix/Rhodes?

I will appreciate everyone's thoughts. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 08, 2006, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: Borat...NOT on December 08, 2006, 01:15:48 PM
I saw Andy Bates today in the Trinity University Dining Hall with a friend.  Does this mean he is no longer traveling with the globetrotters or are they just back in the states on a break??? 

I know that Andy went off to the Globetrotter's earlier in the year, maybe around August.  Given the amount of travel involved in the job, I would think that they get time off to simply recover.  I'd be interested to know what his experience was like.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on December 08, 2006, 03:57:29 PM
Andy left around September for around 3 months overseas with the Globetrotters.  From what I heard he really enjoyed his time.  I know he was looking at playing with a pro team in portugal but that feel through so he went with the trotters.  It's most interesting to me that he, Jason Morris, and Sean Devins were working out together, preparing to try out for european squads and Bates is the only one still playing basketball.  Morris decided to give it up early into the process but Devins attended numerous camps and tournaments trying to ink a deal.   Although Bates is a good player and had a great career at Trinity, it seems to me like Devins and Morris would be more coveted professional players. 

Any thoughts on why Bates is still playing and Devins wasn't able to ink any sort of deal????
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 08, 2006, 07:35:33 PM
I got an email from my nephew after he got back from the game.  He was talking about how with the Globetrotters it is about a lot more that just the basketball.  All of the players interact with the fans a fair amount either before, during or after the game.  Some of the players also go to game locations a few days before the game and talk to groups in schools, youth clubs, etc. 

It could be that Andy just fit the ambassador role that the Globetrotters are looking for as a member of the Nationals and that was just as important as his basketball skills (I mistakenly said the Washington Generals but that goes back a long time--you know you are old if you remember Red Klotz and his unerring two-handed set shot). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 08, 2006, 11:09:29 PM
DePauw had no problems with Maryville (Mo.) this evening in a 68-50 win.  Stephen Schott (10 pts, 15 reb) and Matt McDonald (13 & 10) both with double-doubles.  Mike Moore with 16.

DePauw didn't shoot all that well, but Maryville shot it considerably less well.  DPU jumped out to a big lead about 5 minutes in and cruised the rest of the way.  All of the sudden, Coach Fen has the Tigers at 6-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 08, 2006, 11:18:24 PM
Quote from: Borat...NOT on December 08, 2006, 03:57:29 PM
Any thoughts on why Bates is still playing and Devins wasn't able to ink any sort of deal????

The Sean Devins I remember is a kid who is almost 7'0" and might weigh 125 pounds right out of the swimming pool.  The times I saw him, I wasn't really that impressed with his ability to step out and hit a jumper.  Perhaps the 3 or 4 times I saw him were an exception to the rule, but I can't really recall him having anything much outside of about 15 feet or so. 

So, you've got a tall, lanky guy with not a lot of muscle down low and an average at best (from my observations) jumper.  While he was a great shot-blocker and rebounder, I attribute that more to his ridiculous size advantage at this level and having arms that might have actually been 6 feet long.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on December 10, 2006, 11:58:05 PM
I hate to make drastic statements this early in the year so I will only say that I'm starting to worry about the Majors.  They lost to Pensacola Christian by nine on Friday.   The Trinity and Belhaven losses I can understand....although throwing up 30 three's against Trinity is something you scratch you head about...but to be frank, Dallas and Pensacola Christian are teams that we should not be losing to.  In our season opener (the only game I made it to), we beat Pensacola by 31.  I know homecourt advantage helps but we were clearly a far superior team.  We are a much better team than we have been showing.  After seeing the football team this season, I am not putting it past the boys to make a run but we need to get things going.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 11, 2006, 09:29:48 AM
A reply on the Millsaps at Pensacola game.  Pensacola apparently has improved and like Rust College, it appears that they are a much better team at home than on the road.  Belhaven College is a local NAIA team that has as much or more talent than any SCAC team and they only won 78-70 at Pensacola earlier in December.

Another factor is that Coach Wise played everyone that made the trip throughout the game.  Most of the twelve players played close to 10 minutes or more and I think all of them played in the first half.  That certainly was a factor in the outcome of the game and I think it was the right move.  If Millsaps had played well they still could have won the game while giving most of the players ample playing time.

At this point in the season Millsaps needs to improve their shooting if they want to be a threat in the SCAC.  Edrick Montgomery is consistently hitting around 60% every night but I think the rest of the team is shooting 36% for the season.  If memory serves me correctly, that 36% is the same for the 3-pointers and the 2-pointers.  They can shoot better than that and I think they will shoot better than that.  I'm not going to predict that they will win the SCAC this year like the football team did, but I do think that they will improve as the season goes on and they certainly have the capability of winning the SCAC if they can put it all together in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on December 11, 2006, 12:48:47 PM
If the subs did play the first half, they did a great job because I see in the box score that we led at the half.  The second half is where we were beaten.  It doesn't look like Pensacola played particularly well....5 of 23 from three-point range?  They hit 21 of 22 from the free throw line, however.

Shooting is the main problem but we're getting beat on the boards too.  Dallas had a 6'3 forward come up with 16 rebounds against us earlier.   Pensacola, who isn't exactly a big team, outrebounded us as well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 11, 2006, 02:05:16 PM
It's not like Millsaps is a big team. We go 6'5" at the post, 6'4" at the power forward and then it starts dropping off.  We do have a few others in the 6'4"--6'5" range who play but they don't play a lot of minutes and we certainly don't have any big bodies like a Thomas Adams.

Millsaps jumped out to a 16-8 lead in the PC game and I think they might have gotten out of sync with the multitude of subs and the combination of guys who rarely play together.  It looks like all 12 players played at least 8 minutes based on the box score I have seen.  That much subbing makes it more difficult to win the game but I think it was the right thing to do.  I also think the coaches and the players would all agree that they could have and should have won that game even with all of the subbing.

As I've said before, I think Millsaps needs to play better and I think they will play better.  I'm not going to worry too much about a game like this where they had a 300 mile bus trip in the afternoon and then they played less than their best while making an attempt to get some playing time for all of the players.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on December 11, 2006, 08:32:53 PM
To extend the theme that Frank and Alum have developed, please remember that Millsaps is very young (no seniors on the team), and they really are looking for an identity.  Yes, the Majors do have some experienced juniors but on the whole with 12 players playing every game, Millsaps fields a young team.  Indeed, the shooting will have to improve, and I believe that Millsaps will find a groove when the heart of SCAC play rolls around.  As the guys learn to win, I think you'll see that the future is bright for Millsaps basketball.  The best thing for the guys to do is to remain positive and focus on executing.  There is a long way to go!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 12, 2006, 12:56:07 PM
A request for info from an OU fan. What happened against HC? Specifically, how did they shut down Shaheed? Having seen both HC and OU play a couple of times this season, I would have expected OU to win big ...

QuoteQuote from: mattgrubb on Today at 11:29:09 am
Gentlemen and Oh Yeah,
we are getting so close to conference games i can smell them and to this point i would have to say the preconference schedule has been very successful for the GSAC except HC, pensacola christian come on.
I would say LC has been the biggest surprise, maryville's 4-3 the second biggest, and in a close 3rd PC's good nonconference showing, which was not really a huge surprise but they do have some nice victories.
I can't wait to see these conference games this year b/c for the first time I would say  Maryville is not the favorite to win it all.  last year they lost their first regular season games so everyone knows they are vulnerable.  I expect to see some heated matchups and some good old fashion thrashings of HC by the other 3 schools.  I can't wait to see Green and Mason go head to head, which in the last game Bo even played good defense.  Also, Baldwin, Hairston, and Golden/Blair battle in the paint.  And maybe even a one on one matchup between Lambert and Haynes.

My predictions on conference records
LC 4-2
MC 4-2
PC 3-3
HC 0-6

I just think it is going to come down to LC/MC this year, even though PC is doing really well, my opinion is that LC and MC will battle for the regular season title, but that is not my tournament prediction.  I will save that til we see some conference games.

With Regards,
The Fighting Matt Grubb

Quote from Old Lion:
QuoteA word of caution  ... It may be a little premature for us all to be putting 2 in the "W column" against HC. If they can do this against OU, they aren't dead yet. Apparently, even though they are smaller, HC is still pretty good on the glass.
http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/hcm12-11.htm

IMHO, OU is a pretty good team. They have all those tough, gritty, Sr guards that seem to have been there 4 or 5 years ... and their big guy has really emerged and is off to a great start. BTW, I'd like to hear from someone who saw the game ... how in the world did HC hold Shaheed to 0 points and only 4 rebounds? I see he played 29 minutes and didn't foul out ...

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 12, 2006, 02:02:13 PM
Good to see DePauw finally break into the d3hoops.com Top 25 poll this week at #24.  Pretty sure there isn't anywhere to go but up for next week.  The only game for DPU is on Sunday at home against a not-so-good Illinois Institute of Technology. DePauw beat IIT 104-79 at home last year.

The only team the Tigers have lost to, Chicago, also find their way in the poll at #23 this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 13, 2006, 09:41:55 AM
About this time last year Edrick Montgomery broke a SCAC record by grabbing 26 rebounds in a game.  I think that was the thing that made me think that Millsaps needed an email/newsletter on sports that could be sent to former athletes, parents, etc., as a way of promoting our athletes and hopefully generating more fan support.

While I think that this is getting closer to reality, there still is no newsletter so I'll use the D3 message board to get out the Millsaps radio schedule to at least a few of the Millsaps faithful.  There normally is a coaches show each Wednesday at 8 Central time and I think there will be a show on tonight.  Next Wednesday they will have a broadcast of the Millsaps vs. Southeastern Louisiana game at 7:45.  The link to the radio station is:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2006, 11:07:57 PM
UT-D 62 AC 51. (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4502.1651)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 14, 2006, 07:00:55 PM
Everytime Shaheed got the ball they had 3 guys on him. so he'd just kick it out to the guards.  Look at the games Dickinson and Tulowitzky had  22 and 21 if I remember correctly.  OU dominated the game and was up by as many as 21 and kind of fell asleep and let HC get back in the game.  Give them credit for not giving up.  From the games I've seen this season only multiple guys can stop Shaheed.  He put up big numbers against Emory and Maryville college (against pre season all american Bobby Golden) but if you shut down Shaheed OU will hurt you in other areas. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 14, 2006, 11:44:54 PM
Shaheed had 20 against Maryville but Maryville's two post players, who do not play together much, had 38 between them.  And it was a close game anyway. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 16, 2006, 11:34:41 PM
Trinity beat Hardin-Simmons 67-60 earlier this evening.

Guess I don't really know what to make of it.  The loss drops HSU to 4-4, while Trinity improves to 4-5. 

I'm not the right guy to start talking about how good of a win that might be against a 4-4 HSU in the ASC.  HSU has lost to some pretty good teams, I think. 

However, perhaps it's a nice win for Trinity to start putting a few pieces in the right place as we turn the calendar over and get ready for conference play.  I'd still be a little nervous, though, at 4-5.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 17, 2006, 04:05:31 AM
Wow.  Glad that DPU3619 is nervous for Trinity at 4-5.  Somebody who didn't realize Sean Devins is one of the best SCAC centers in history is nervous for Trinity at 4-5. 

Solid win for Trinity, especially considering that Pat Coleman had Hardin-Simmons as the best team that he saw during the Tour de Tejas. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on December 17, 2006, 08:54:35 AM
Sewanee lost to Maryville last night 64-47.  Sewanee led with about 5 minutes left in the game.  They just ran out of gas.  It seems the better teams in D3 have a deeper bench.

Eddy and Rowland are clear to return to play for the trip to California.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 17, 2006, 02:07:59 PM
Quote from: carlweathers on December 17, 2006, 04:05:31 AM
Wow.  Glad that DPU3619 is nervous for Trinity at 4-5.  Somebody who didn't realize Sean Devins is one of the best SCAC centers in history is nervous for Trinity at 4-5. 

I would prefer it if you would peruse my statement one more time and look for the section where I knock Devins as an SCAC center.  Somebody asked why Devins didn't play at the next level.  I, as a person who does not wear Trinity University rose-colored glasses, provided my opinion.

He was a darned good center because he was 7'0" and had a height advantage on every single player on the floor every single night he went out there. 

He was a terrific shot blocker, and could get to every shot that bounced off the rim.  What would have happened if there were three or four guys in our league that size?  Big guys at the next level aren't all 6'7" and 6'8" like they are in D3.

Steve Schott is 6'6".  I recall Reggie Magnusson as 6'8" or so.  Wasn't a very tall fellow, if memory serves.  I thought Oglethorpe's Ahmad Kareem Shaheedwas much bigger than his listing at 6'6".  Hendix's big guy Andrew King is 6'6".  Joe Ringger was 6'7".  Devins had five inches on everybody out there.  With a tad bit of research, I find that Rhodes soph Rob Bledsoe is the conference's tallest at 6'10".  Centre's John Patterson and a frosh from Sewanee are both 6'9". 

Sean Devins was a great player in the SCAC because he had two weapons: his height and he had the longest wingspan I've ever seen.  What happens when you neutralize those two weapons and put a player his same size on him night in and night out?  We have no idea.  It never happened in this conference.

Also, don't be a jerk.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 17, 2006, 02:09:55 PM
I saw the Trinity - HSU game last night.  Trinity came out and played very well in the first half.  They built a big lead at halftime by shooting well and neutralizing HSU's inside players.  Like is always true, you could just feel that HSU would make its run in the second half.  They did and had some pretty big momentum and made the game close.

For Trinity fans, the Tigers were able to keep their composure and take care of business to get the win.  Given the youth and inexperience they are working with, this is very encouraging.  One game does not make a trend, but this may very well be a big step in the right direction.

Of note, Brandon York led the team in scoring.  He's been struggling a bit so far, and they are counting on him to be a scoring presence.  Casey Hill did a nice job on the boards especially late in the game.  Mike Gilb played very tough inside.  Both of HSU's inside players (the JEAN brothers?) fouled out before Gilb fouled out as well with under two minutes to play.  Patrick Robinson is emerging as a real threat from 3-poont land.

The Tigers have been and continue to be a work in progress.  This game gives Trinity supporters some reason to believe that progress is being made!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2006, 02:31:12 PM
Quote from: JJFlash on December 17, 2006, 02:09:55 PM
I saw the Trinity - HSU game last night.  Trinity came out and played very well in the first half.  They built a big lead at halftime by shooting well and neutralizing HSU's inside players.  Like is always true, you could just feel that HSU would make its run in the second half.  They did and had some pretty big momentum and made the game close.

For Trinity fans, the Tigers were able to keep their composure and take care of business to get the win.  Given the youth and inexperience they are working with, this is very encouraging.  One game does not make a trend, but this may very well be a big step in the right direction.

Of note, Brandon York led the team in scoring.  He's been struggling a bit so far, and they are counting on him to be a scoring presence.  Casey Hill did a nice job on the boards especially late in the game.  Mike Gilb played very tough inside.  Both of HSU's inside players (the JEAN brothers?) fouled out before Gilb fouled out as well with under two minutes to play.  Patrick Robinson is emerging as a real threat from 3-poont land.

The Tigers have been and continue to be a work in progress.  This game gives Trinity supporters some reason to believe that progress is being made!

Thanks for the report on HSU Trinity.

The Jeans are brothers, Mardochee and Dan.  Dan began playing at HSU, came to McMurry last year, and seems to be playing more at HSU this year.

This is a conondrum.  McMurry pulled away from Trinity the night after the hard McM loss to HSU.  TU has handled TLU and Schreiner as predicted, but has that loss to UMHB.  I don't think that we know the real UMHB yet.  (Virginia Wesleyan comes to UMHB on Dec 29th!)

If we are talking a very, very, very young team at TU, then (IMHO) Coach Cunningham can probably have them ready for the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on December 17, 2006, 04:00:59 PM
Hendrix just returned from a hard, but successful weekend of play in Dallas.  On Friday evening, they took on Dallas Christian and won 79/48.  The Warriors held Dallas to only 16 points in the second half but struggled with fouls.  It was a hard game to watch, seems like Hendrix couldn't move without something being called and in the end had 24 fouls while Dallas had 13.  Saturday afternoon, Hendrix beat the University of Dallas 71/68.  Hendrix actually was scoreless the first five minutes or so of the game.  They rallied though and pulled out a tough win over an aggressive Dallas team.  One player from Dallas was ejected from the game after running across the court and punching a Hendrix player in the face.  The Dallas coach escorted him out of the gym.  Later, a foul was called on a Dallas player, which was his 5th, and then the refs decided to give the foul to another player after the call was made and after a short discussion on the court. When the buzzer sounded that the game was over, another Dallas player kicked the basketball against the wall so hard it echoed all over the gym!!!!!  I don't remember playing in Dallas as being this crazy the last couple of years.

Here's a question for you that have been to the gym.  Why don't they cover the doors and windows that allows the sun to beat on the court during the games?  During the first half, the sun was glaring through the glass so much that some of the crowd had to move to see the game.  I was wondering if it was effecting the players.  When the second half came and Dallas shot on that end, someone decided to cover the windows and the doors with paper.  Wonder why they didn't do this before the game started?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 17, 2006, 05:36:26 PM
DePauw also a winner today... 84-63 over Illinois Institute of Technology.  DePauw led by like 35 at halftime, but put a stamp on the second half and mailed it in.  Austin Brown had a career-high 27.  DPU continues to shoot it well.. they were over 50% again to hold the season average right around that same number.

That's also a good win for Hendrix.  The first SCAC team to beat UDallas this year.  I guess I wasn't too sure what to make of the Warriors, but they're starting to look like they might be for real at 10-3.  However, the holiday layoff is awfully long in Conway.  HC is off until the 2nd.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2006, 06:36:40 PM
Quote from: warriorfan on December 17, 2006, 04:00:59 PM


  I don't remember playing in Dallas as being this crazy the last couple of years.

Here's a question for you that have been to the gym.  Why don't they cover the doors and windows that allows the sun to beat on the court during the games?  During the first half, the sun was glaring through the glass so much that some of the crowd had to move to see the game.  I was wondering if it was effecting the players.  When the second half came and Dallas shot on that end, someone decided to cover the windows and the doors with paper.  Wonder why they didn't do this before the game started?


Home Court Advantage! ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :) ;) 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2006, 06:44:35 PM
I saw UDallas get past LaGrange, by making free throws down the stretch.

UDallas 79 LaGrange 71.

LaGrange pulled to within 2 at 60-62 with 4:59 left and to within 3 at 2:02, 63-66.  UDallas (http://www.udallas.edu/athletics/mbasketball/schedule.cfm?Year=T) hit 14-19 in the second half, including something like 10 of their last 12-14 points from the line.

I want to see the result against Austin College tomorrow night!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on December 17, 2006, 08:02:34 PM


Hendrix's Coach Priest and Coach McCracken did some serious recruiting and have put together a good team with a good bench.  If one player is not making it happen, there are a few more itching to get in there and mix it up.  The bench has been vocal and pumped up.  Andrew King is doing great inside and has two double doubles for the season.  Secrease just missed his first free throw of the season last night.  The Warriors have some hot handed outside shooters and some big kids inside.  The layoff won't hurt this team.  These players have the work ethic to keep themselves going until their first practice. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2006, 11:12:07 PM
Sewanee found a sleeping Maryville team in the first half and for the first part of the second half but something finally woke the Scots up.  Garcia is a a real player but the Tigers did not seem to be going to him as much late as I would have expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 12:33:50 AM
HSU game report in the Abilene Reporter-News (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_5220119,00.html)

Salient quote--

Quote''We had a good scouting report,'' Howard said. ''We knew they could shoot the ball. They are a good team. They run their sets perfectly. Those are the teams we have problems with.''

This was a "dinged-up" HSU squad, so we must look at the loss as another benefit if the in-region records play a factor in the NCAA post-season.

Pickelman still has the bad wrist (FG 2-14, but FT 12-16 for his 16 points).  That is the same bad wrist that sank the last-second FG against McMurry.

HSU did not have Dinkins and Peters for the perimeter defense, either.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 18, 2006, 10:26:06 AM
Devins is not 7'0.  Listed at 6'10 for his entire Trinity career.   

Yes, you didn't directly challenge the fact that Devins wasn't a good SCAC center.  That is fair. 

You did say that in the few times you saw him play that he didn't shoot outside very much.  With a little bit of research I found that he was 8 of 21 from 3 as a senior.  Pretty good for 6'10.  Probably could have taken many more if he hadn't been so good in the paint.  His numbers (both defensive and offensive) were not as impressive as they could have been because Trinity had so many solid players during that stretch that they were winning by a big margins often and spreading the minutes around.  Not sure if Devins ever averaged more than 25/26 minutes a game during his career. 

It was a weird statement that because a 7'0 kid couldn't shoot from outside that it wasn't surprising that he couldn't play pro (i.e. minor league European ball).

As far the height differences in D3.  Yes, obviously you don't have giants at this level, but I am not sure how many 7'0 footers are roaming around the German 3rd division pro league either.  Also, Devins was probably better against the bigger guys he ran into.  The 6'4 meatballs that you will see in the post in D3 used to give him trouble. 


On another SCAC note.  Good to hear that Chris Eddy is getting close to being healty again.  That kid can really go and should give Sewanee a big lift. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: johnnyalexander on December 18, 2006, 03:39:06 PM
In response to the Devins conversation, I agree with carlweathers that Devins certainly possesses skills not typical of your usual 6'10'' D3 center. Devins was an amazing free-throw shooter, had tremendous touch, and had an un-stoppable left hand hook all in addition to his shoot-blocking and rebouding abilities. Even if Devins was only 6'7'' or 6'8,'' those skills would have carried him well and certainly those are skills that are coveted regardless of height or wingspan... and Devins had all of them. Undoubtedly one of the greatest centers in SCAC history.

Glad to see Trinity got back on the winning path this weekend. TU is a team with lots of talent but little experience and once the experience starts to kick in the team should begin to win games consistently, hopefully all in time for the conference tourney.



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 18, 2006, 03:50:45 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on December 08, 2006, 11:18:24 PM
Quote from: Borat...NOT on December 08, 2006, 03:57:29 PM
Any thoughts on why Bates is still playing and Devins wasn't able to ink any sort of deal????

The Sean Devins I remember is a kid who is almost 7'0" and might weigh 125 pounds right out of the swimming pool.  The times I saw him, I wasn't really that impressed with his ability to step out and hit a jumper.  Perhaps the 3 or 4 times I saw him were an exception to the rule, but I can't really recall him having anything much outside of about 15 feet or so. 


So, you've got a tall, lanky guy with not a lot of muscle down low and an average at best (from my observations) jumper.  While he was a great shot-blocker and rebounder, I attribute that more to his ridiculous size advantage at this level and having arms that might have actually been 6 feet long.

Just quoting the above to keep the Sean Devins posts in perspective.  The question was asked about why Devins wasn't able to sign a pro contract and the above answer was given.  I think the answer was pretty much right on target.  Devins was an outstanding SCAC player and a very good D3 player.  He certainly was helped by his size and long arms but obviously he had talent.  He was an exception to my rule of thumb that any D3 player over 6'8" is probably a player with very little athletic ability (a player that size with athletic ability usually gets a scholarship somewhere).

But DPU pointed out that Devins lack strength and Carl backed that up by pointing out that the shorter but stronger players were the ones who gave Devins trouble.  I just don't think he was strong enough to play in the post at a higher level and I don't think he had the skills on the offensive end to convert over to a 3 or 4 spot.  That doesn't mean that he wasn't a great small college player, it just means that he didn't have the tools or the strength needed to play at the pro level.

(The little message popped up saying someone had posted while I was writing.  Let me just say that the one weakness Sean Devins had was at the offensive end.  A 6'10" guy in a league of 6'6" centers and he never averaged as much as 13 ppg--either he wasn't great on the offensive end or that's just terrible coaching to not take advantage of such a mismatch.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 18, 2006, 06:36:23 PM
I think I acknowledged the DPU's original post was not about Devins place in SCAC history, but as a pro.  While I think the reasoning is poor, it is fair and I acknowledged my mistake.

Frank, you are undoubtedly the Dean of SCAC posters.   That is why it surprises me that you would say that Devins weakness was on the offensive end because he never averaged more than 13 ppg.  That is bad reasoning

The reason why he never averaged more than that is because that team was absolutely loaded while he was at Trinity.  There were plenty of guys to score on that team so it got spread around.  As I said in my last post, Devins never played more than 24/25 minutes a game because of the depth.  Also, pace of play has a great deal to do with it.  The 04-05 TU team is 4th all time in SCAC in scoring margin but they are the only team in the top 5 to not score at least 80 points a game.  That Trinity team averaged 71.  So you have a loaded team, that beats people by relatively large margins and there isn't that much relative scoring to begin with because they don't fly up and down the court and because they were so good defensively that people used lots of clock when Trinity was on D.

Thus it isn't fair to use Sean's 13 ppg as a sign that his weakness was on offense.

Trust me on this.  When Trinity needed a basket late in the game the ball was going to Devins and more often than not he delivered.  That is why he was SCAC tourney MVP as a junior and senior and all-tournament as a sophomore.  His D was great but he could really score.

And that brings me to why I got going on this to begin with.  There were lots of "he was really tall and had long arms" comments but no acknowledgement about how skillful of a player he was.  At any level of college basketball it is relatively rare to see a 6'10 kid with the hand and feet skills that Sean Devins has.   Yes, strength was obviously an issue but it is just plain wrong to say that the kid couldn't shoot it, score, play offense, etc. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 19, 2006, 08:31:35 AM
One thing about the SCAC is that you only get to see the players on opposing teams once or twice a season.  Certainly a Trinity fan would know more about a Trinity player than the rest of us.

Maybe Devins would have been a 25 ppg scorer on a weaker team that needed more points from him.  All I know is what I saw and that is just a small slice of Devins career:

2004-05 Trinity at Millsaps:  Devins scores 11 points on 3 of 6 shooting in 30 minutes.  Millsaps freshman center Sandro Norris scores 17 points on 7 of 11 shooting in 26 minutes.  Millsaps wins game 67-64.

2004-05 Trinity vs. Millsaps at SCAC Tour:  Devins scores 16 in 26 minutes on 5 of 8 shooting.  Trinity easily wins 84-69.

2003-04 Trinity at Millsaps:  Devins scores 18 points on 6 of 13 shooting in 32 minutes of play.  The Millsaps center is 6'1" Carr Van Brocklin.  Trinity wins the game 61-56.

2003-04 Trinity vs. Millsaps at SCAC Tour:  Devins scores 13 points in 20 minutes on 5 of 7 shooting.  Once again he is up against a 6'1" center.  Trinity wins 67-53.

2002-03 Trinity at Millsaps:  Devins scores 13 points in 28 minutes on 5 of 6 shooting.  He is playing against Thomas Adams, a smaller but stronger center.  Millsaps wins the game 60-51.

That's all I have to go on, Trinity winning 3 out of 5 games vs. Millsaps.  In two of those games Devins was going up against a 6'1" center who really didn't jump very well.  In two of the other games he was a senior going up against a freshman.  I just didn't see greatness on the offensive end of the court in those games but they were just a small slice of his career.  You saw more games so you are probably right about his offensive abilities.  I think we all agree that he was a very good SCAC player during his career.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 19, 2006, 10:54:16 PM
DePauw up a couple spots to #22 this week in the d3hoops.com poll.  DPU @ Kenyon tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 20, 2006, 08:26:41 AM
A note for the Millsaps faithful--the Millsaps game vs. D1 Southeastern Louisiana is being broadcast this evening.  The pregame is at 7:30 and the tipoff should be at 7:45.  Here's the link to the broadcast:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on December 20, 2006, 12:13:16 PM
It's always nice for a D-III team to get some nice game experience against a D-I team.  I would like to see Millsaps play well.  But after a long break (exams) I don't know what we'll see from the Majors.  My realistic expectations would like to see Millsaps stay within 15 points of SELA.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 20, 2006, 04:51:58 PM
Southeastern's last game was a 69-66 win at Penn State on Saturday so it would probably be a very good effort if Millsaps is within 15 points at the end.  This is the 9th time that the teams have played with SE holding an 8-0 record against the Majors, but the last of those victories came in the 1969-70 season.  Even though I was a freshman at Millsaps that year, I don't remember any details about the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 20, 2006, 05:11:37 PM
DePauw needed a buzzer-beater three from Reid Sakel to beat Kenyon 53-52 this afternoon.  I gather the Tigers didn't play their best.  Matt McDonald had some foul problems and Austin Brown missed some time with an ankle injury.

Also, from the completely worthless statistics department, that's 2 buzzer beaters in the last 11 games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 21, 2006, 08:43:55 AM
Millsaps fell to Southeastern Louisiana 90-67.  Just going by what I heard on the radio broadcast and what I see in the box score, it sounded like a pretty good game for Millsaps.  Here's a link to the SE LA story:  http://www.lionsports.net/index.php?pid=headline&content=user&func=article&id=2706

SE LA hit 35 of 55 shots and 9 of 20 3-pointers, plus they outrebounded Millsaps by a 36 to 28 margin.  They had a 18 point lead at halftime which Millsaps cut to 11 twice in the second half, but it sounds like SE LA was just too big and talented for Millsaps to defend.

The good news is that Millsaps apparently played well on the offensive end which has been their weakness in the early season.  Montgomery had 17 point on 7 of 14 shooting, Lorenzo Bailey hit 6 of 13, Allen Odum hit 6 of 12, Deonte Oscar was 4 of 6, Rodney Rogan was 4 of 11, and Chad Songy hit 2 of 3.  Considering the size and the strength of the opponents, that's a pretty good showing on the offensive end and hopefully it will continue when they drop back to D3 competition.

And as all the teams start taking a break for Christmas, let me wish everyone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Holiday if that's what you prefer.  I hope everyone has a great time with their family and I look forward to a lot of great SCAC action in 2007.

Frank.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on December 21, 2006, 12:08:46 PM
Despite the loss, it was nice to see Millsaps on the ticker last night on ESPN.  From listening to some of the game it did seem like Millsaps played well.  SELA is a pretty good team. 

The heart of conference play is just around the corner, and I'm sure it will be much fun. 

Wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 27, 2006, 11:46:38 AM
Those of you interested in the philosophy and finances of D3 athletics will be interested in a series of articles in the Maryville (TN) DailyTimes.  The focus is Maryville and the GSAC they refer quite a bit to other schools in other leagues, including ODAC, SCAC, USASouth, WIAC, and others. Here are links to the first two:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061226/SPORTS/612260319&SearchID=73267240633587

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061227/SPORTS/612270306http://

Each links to a second, related, article.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 27, 2006, 06:33:20 PM
Scottiedoug:

I appreciate the links you sent for the articles on D-III athletes.  For some reason, the link to the second article returns an error message along the lines of "invalid story".  Would you be kind enough to double check that link.  The first installment was very enjoyable reading and I would like to read the rest.

THANKS in advance!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2006, 06:38:08 PM
Quote from: JJFlash on December 27, 2006, 06:33:20 PM
Scottiedoug:

I appreciate the links you sent for the articles on D-III athletes.  For some reason, the link to the second article returns an error message along the lines of "invalid story".  Would you be kind enough to double check that link.  The first installment was very enjoyable reading and I would like to read the rest.

THANKS in advance!


JJ, try these:

Going big: D-III football coaches make decisions on team size (http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061227/SPORTS/612270301)

Dollars & directions: D-III and D-I schools travel different paths (http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061227/SPORTS/612270306)

Thanks, Doug!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 28, 2006, 10:02:51 AM
Thanks, Ralph.  Good Reading!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 28, 2006, 11:05:30 AM
Here are links to today's Maryville Daily Times articles on D3 athletics.  These are about the big-small/public-private issues in D3 (1st link) and D3 schools preparation of grads for life's challenges.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612270318

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612270317
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on December 28, 2006, 12:08:32 PM
Thanks Scottiedog for the links.  Great story.  In our neck of the woods, d3 sports is under reported and less respected than our d2 and d1 counterparts.  It's a shame for the student athletes.  Maybe if they were getting arrested and/or graduating without showing up to classes their teams could get more press!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 29, 2006, 07:46:22 AM
A few quick items from Millsaps:

1)  I've started a weekly sports email for Millsaps.  It not something where I write a lot but I point people to links of Millsaps stories, results, upcoming events, etc.  If anyone is interested in getting on the mailing list you can email me (Frank Ezelle) at millsapssports@yahoo.com .

2)  Millsaps plays at LaGrange tonight and tomorrow.  They play LaGrange tonight at 6 and Huntingdon tomorrow at 1 (central time).  Both games will be broadcast at http://www.espnradio1240.com/ .  Tonight's game is tape delayed and I've heard it will start at 10 pm but I've also heard that it might start a little earlier, immediately following a couple of local high school games.  The Saturday game will be live with the pregame starting at 12:45.

3)  There was talk about Tyler Warren and Andy Bates playing for the NY Nationals against the Harlem Globetrotters.  Here's a link to a Millsaps story about Tyler:
http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/122206release.shtml

I hope everyone has a Happy New Year and I hope 2007 is a great year for SCAC and its athletes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 29, 2006, 11:43:41 AM

Here is the link to the fourth and final article in my local newspaper about Division III athletics.  There is a hotlink to a companion article near the beginning of the article.

It is good to see DIII get this much press and too bad it is buried in a small town local paper.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061229/SPORTS/612290323
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 30, 2006, 12:17:39 AM
All DePauw today against U-Dallas in Tampa.  DPU led by 27 at halftime and crusied to a 104-78 win.  Everybody who started for DePauw scored in double figures including Reid Sakel with 18.  DPU shot 59% from the floor and 12-20 from 3.  This year's DPU team sure can hit shots... shooting a tick under 51% on the year.

DPU and Hamilton Saturday in the Tampa finale. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 30, 2006, 08:17:20 AM
Millsaps evened their record at 5-5 with a 81-75 road win over LaGrange.  Here's a link to the LaGrange story:  http://www.lagrange.edu/athletics/basketball/news-Millsaps.htm

In double figures for the Majors were Allen Odum with 25 (my guess is that would be his career high), Rodney Rogan with 19 and Deonte Oscar with 10.  Edrick Montgomery lead the rebounding column with 14.  Judging by the radio broadcast, it sounded like a ragged game which is exactly what you would expect after a layoff for exams and Christmas.  Millsaps had 18 turnovers and LaGrange had 17, but on the plus side, Millsaps shot 55% for the game and that's one of their best showings of the year.

Millsaps plays Huntingdon at 1:00 Central Time today.  That game will be broadcast live with a pregame starting at 12:45.  Here's that link:  http://www.espnradio1240.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 30, 2006, 03:57:45 PM
Millsaps defeats Huntingdon 68-60 on Saturday afternoon.  Rodney Rogan was the leading scorer with 18, Allen Odum had 14, Lorenzo Bailey 12 and Chris Sander 11.  It sounds like they didn't play as well as they did on Friday but it's nice to go on the road and get two wins.

Next up for Millsaps will be Rhodes College at Rhodes on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JeffRookie2 on December 30, 2006, 05:21:25 PM
Is anyone at Trinity broadcasting the Trinity/Amherst game tonight? If so, could you provide a link?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2006, 11:58:06 PM
Doubt it. There's a chance they might be broadcasting the game against Amherst tomorrow, however. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tusid on December 31, 2006, 12:53:43 AM
Trinity will indeed have a webcast and live stats available for the New Year's Eve game against Amherst.  I just put the links on Trinity's site for anyone who might be a little over-anxious.   ;)

The webcast stream is active, but there will be no sound/activity until a few minutes before the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 31, 2006, 10:06:24 AM
To add to the post on the Trinity game:

--Game starts at 4 pm Sunday afternoon.
--Amherst is ranked 2nd in the country.
--Link to Trinity site:  http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/index.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 31, 2006, 11:30:59 AM
I'm looking forward to listening to the Trinity - Amherst game today.  Although the Tigers won each of the last two nights, playing 3 games in 3 days will make it tough for them.  Even playing at home, they have to be considered the underdogs.  Let's see what happens!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 11:52:20 AM
+1 tusid!  Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 07:00:19 PM
Amherst 66, Trinity 54.

That is not very impressive for the #2 team in the country.  Respectfully, Top 25? Yes. Top 10? Maybe! Top 2? No!

Live Stats (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/05livestats/xlive.htm)

This is still a 2-possession game until 6:34 when Amherst's Andrew Olson hits a 3FG to extend the lead to 54-45.  This very young Trinity team stayed with McMurry (3 1/2 weeks ago) until McMurry finally took the lead with 3:45 left on the way to our 75-62 win.  (And we are hurting without our starting point guard!)

I like the comment about whether Amherst would be undefeated playing ONU's, Witt's, Wooster's or UW-SP's schedule.

Good job, Trinity!  Good luck in SCAC play!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on December 31, 2006, 07:23:08 PM
I went to the Amherst-Trinity game. (Quick aside: I saw a t-shirt on an Amherst fan that said "Amherst : Williams :: Chocolate : Poop" That's high quality smack there.)

The two halves were fairly similar. The play was physical. In each half, Trinity would play close, and then Amherst would start hitting shots, especially from outside, and pull away.

Starting the second half Trinity came out on a tear and the play was even until, as Ralph said, they pulled away the last 6 minutes.

Thought it was a pretty good game, though. Trinity answered the physical play, but Amherst's outside shot was just too much.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on December 31, 2006, 07:23:08 PM
I went to the Amherst-Trinity game. (Quick aside: I saw a t-shirt on an Amherst fan that said "Amherst : Williams :: Chocolate : Poop" That's high quality smack there.)


+1 Karma for the smack!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on December 31, 2006, 07:45:32 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on December 31, 2006, 07:23:08 PM
I went to the Amherst-Trinity game. (Quick aside: I saw a t-shirt on an Amherst fan that said "Amherst : Williams :: Chocolate : Poop" That's high quality smack there.)

I love chocolate.  But I really don't think I could live without poop, when it comes right down to it.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 02, 2007, 01:16:44 AM
An article about Pat Cunningham and Trinity from the Bloomington (IL) Pantagraph...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/01/02/sports/doc459738838dfa4508848078.txt
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2007, 01:44:26 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 02, 2007, 01:16:44 AM
An article about Pat Cunningham and Trinity from the Bloomington (IL) Pantagraph...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/01/02/sports/doc459738838dfa4508848078.txt

Trninity's endowment was $733M in 2005 or #79 of the 746 college and universities that report to the National Association of College and University Business Officers (http://www.nacubo.org/documents/research/FY05NESInstitutionsbyTotalAssets.pdf).

In D3, Trinity's endowment is exceeded only (in ascending order) by Carnegie-Mellon, Yeshiva, Amherst, Swarthmore, Wellesley, Pomona, Rochester, Grinnell, Cal Tech, CWRU, NYU, JHU, UChicago, Wash StL, Emory, and MIT, and Middlebury was #80, Oberlin #82, RPI #87, Bowdoin #92, Wesleyan #94, Carleton #97, W&L #98, Hamilton #99, Macalester #100 and Brandeis #102 at $519M.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on January 02, 2007, 10:43:43 AM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 07:00:19 PM
Amherst 66, Trinity 54.

That is not very impressive for the #2 team in the country.  Respectfully, Top 25? Yes. Top 10? Maybe! Top 2? No!


Trinity might have actually made it hard on Amherst.  It is a possibility.   Trinity normally controls tempo pretty well so it can be hard to blow the game wide open.  A 12 point win in a 66-54 game is more impressive than a 12 point win in a 112-100 game.

Also, the measure of the #2 team in the country isn't just their margin of victory in a single game, or even their average margin of victory.  Amherst might not be the second best team in the country but it is hard to definitively state that because they only beat Trinity by 12, on the road, after a three week lay-off. 

Just a thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 02, 2007, 10:46:02 AM
Ralph:  Do you think these endowments are related in any important ways to the "discounts" athletes in D3 can get off the announced costs of tuition and board at D3 schools?  I cannot help but think that schools with big endowments can more easily make it possible for anyone, not just athletes, to manage the costs of attending schools that theoretically are in the $30,000 and up range.  It could follow that big endowment schools can get players that less wealthy schools cannot.  I am not suggesting, necessarily, that anyone "cheats" on their academic standards, but of course that is possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 02, 2007, 11:15:29 AM
Doug I think endowments do help (or rather make a difference) when it comes to "need" based financial aid.  So as long as it is consistently awarded so as not to distinguish between athletes and regular students with a similar "need', then I think the NCAA shouldn't have a problem and nor do I.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: johnnyalexander on January 02, 2007, 11:45:42 PM
With respect to the Trinity endowment conversation, I'd like to point out that while endowment money may be used for financial aid for students and student-athletes alike, it is also used to grow / update the school facilities, enhance technology systems, and most importantly pay for top level professors. Trinity, as I feel is the case with other SCAC schools, is an elite academic institution and one that has recently undergone construction in many areas around campus to upgrade their facilities as well as bring in new and talented professors. Having been a former SCAC player, I find it hard to believe that schools of the academic caliber of Trinity, Sewanee, Millsaps, etc. consistently offer "need based" money to students solely because they are athletes.

On a different note, Trinity looks to be making progress over the past couple of games!... hopefully this can carry over into SCAC play as they head into Hendrix and Austin College for the weekend. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 03, 2007, 11:06:15 AM
Johnny, Wilburt, et al:
I did not mean to imply that Trunity or any other high endowment school does anything "wrong" and of course it costs money to run a first class college/university.  It is also true that different schools have different policies about the use of endowment funds for scholarships and about the use of grants, work-study, and loans.

My point was that unless one knows a lot about how achools do this, one is guessing a bit about the relationship between having money and having the students, including athletes,  whom you want.

I am still mad about SCAD!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on January 03, 2007, 11:37:23 AM
Doug, I know you didn't suggest that anything was "wrong" but in a nutshell those high endowment schools have a lot of options as to what to do with their endowment (ie scholarships and buildings).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on January 04, 2007, 01:12:14 AM
In the past few years, Trinity has been raising tuition and giving less money to students.  About 5 years ago Trinity ended a program where they would guarantee any student who got in the finances to go to Trinity whether it was through grants or financial aid, they said if you can get in, we'll make sure you can pay for it.  This is no longer the case.  Trinity has also raised their academic standards over the past 5 years and is losing many athletes, especially football/basketball to schools like southwestern, UMHB, and TLU. 

An interesting tidbit of information, Trinity's President, John Brazil is one of the highest paid presidents in the country.  I've heard he might even be the third highest paid president in the country.  This may explain where all the endowment money is going.....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 04, 2007, 10:14:02 AM

Nearly every school increases tuition constantly.  What matters is where they stand relative to other schools that have similar structures. 

This is not to contest your claims, but do you have a source for what you're saying?  I'd like to read more about this.  I've heard similar statements from others, so I'm pretty sure you're right.  It is a shame, because when I was at Trinity, they offered a great product at a price that nearly undercut their competition.  I'm not sure if that is still the case or not. 

As far as the admission standards, that shouldn't hurt them in basketball.  Not as long as Williams and Amherst can be as good as they are. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 04, 2007, 10:46:58 AM
It is interesting that different high quality schools are going in opposite directions about the issue of not letting finances keep an accepted student out.  As Trinity abandons a commitment to find the resources, Princeton has decided to make sure admitted students can afford to go there, with work and grants and not with loans.  The idea of course is not to load people with heavy debt when they are finished and to make sure kids who do not come from wealth can get top notch college education.   I think Amherst is doing the same.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on January 04, 2007, 01:26:15 PM
If you are referring to sources about how much the president of Trinity gets paid, I was told that at a budget meeting for students while I was at Trinity.  This was 2 years ago so things could have changed but at that point he was one of the 5 highest paid professors at Trinity. 

I think the difference between Trinity and Amherst/Williams is that Trinity is only regionally known as a fine instituion while Amherst and Williams are nationally known.  Don't get me wrong, I think Trinity is a great school but it's only recently that people have begun to put it on par with schools like Amherst and Williams.  Trinity attracts the students in the south who want a top notch education while amherst attracts the students from around the country who want a first class education.  This gives them a bigger pool of students to choose from. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on January 04, 2007, 03:29:31 PM
For the record, endowments ARE used to:

A)  Provide need and merit based academic aid to qualified and worthy students,

B)  Cover all or a portion of a full-time faculty or staff member's salary, or

C)  Provide an annual augmentation or offset to recurring specific budget lines or programmatic offerings at a college.

Endowments are NOT used to pay ongoing staff or faculty salaries, make current expenditures for capital equipment (unless a specific endowment was created for either of those purposes) or to build buildings.

It is also highly unlikely that any college president's salary, anywhere in the country, is covered solely by an institutional endowment.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 04, 2007, 03:52:30 PM

I disagree with Borat, especially when you're talking about a sport like basketball, and particularly among the top teams.  There is no doubt that those two schools are better known, but if you look at the Amherst roster, almost everyone is from the East Coast or Great Lakes area.  Williams is a little more spread out but not much.  Trinity's roster is just as diverse as either when you consider that Texas covers as much ground as a handful of East Coast states. 

But how many schools of Trinity's caliber are there in Texas?  Could you put Southwestern in there?  If you can, that's only two programs competing for all of the high achieving students in Texas who are not worthy of athletic scholarships.  The East Coast is absolutely loaded with small, top-notch d3 schools, which makes the competition brutal, particularly when Williams accepts only 19% of applicants.  Didn't Wittenberg win the National Title last year?  The NCAC is very competitive academically, and all the schools are within two to three hours of one another.  I think the bottom line is that the coaching staffs at the most successful schools do an absolutely incredible job and show that academic restrictions are no excuse for a lack of success at the D3 level. 

That said, it's not like has been very good recently and the people on campus should recognize that by attending some games.  I think in southern states where the winter weather is not so frightful, people just don't really care about basketball.  That is an advantage for east coast schools.  Kids are a lot more awestruck by the game atmosphere up north than in Texas. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 04, 2007, 03:54:42 PM


Whoops.  The last paragraph should say, "...Trinity has been very good lately and..."
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on January 04, 2007, 05:15:46 PM
From a liberal arts perspective, I'd put both Southwestern and Austin College in the same "academic quality" category as Trinity--though Trinity's endowment probably gives it a leg up in the "prestiege" category to the uninitiated.

Trinity offers some professional programs and engineering disciplines that classify it more as a comprehensive institution, whereas the other two focus only on undergraduate liberal arts education.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 05, 2007, 01:18:49 AM
I just recently learned that Oglethorpe University alum and SCAC 3 point king Josh Burr made the roster of the Atlanta Vision and ABA team located north of Atlanta in Suwanee Georgia.  Burr made the team during the last set of tryouts held by the team.  Burr will dress in tomorrow night's game against the Tennessee Mud frogs.  Not really sure how the team is but the website shows they were ABA Division champs 2005-2006.  I just thought this was neat after learning about Bates playing on the Globetrotters traveling team.  It's good to see not only a D3 but also a SCAC player making a semi pro team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 05, 2007, 07:54:49 AM
Speaking of the Petrel's and their achievements, mention should be made of Andrew Tulowitsky and his record breaking shooting performance this week.  He scored 33 points against Piedmont in 37 minutes of play, making every shot that he took.  He was 11 for 11 from the field, including 7 3-pointers, and he hit all 4 of his free throws.  This beat the previous best 10 for 10 effort of Sewanee's Jonathan Jarrett in 2000.  Since Jarrett was a 6'10" pivot, I suspect that his shots didn't include quite so many 3's.

By the way, OU has scored 87 points or more in 6 of their 9 games this season.  It sound like the other teams in the SCAC better have their running shoes on and their 3-point defense in shape before they hit the court with Oglethorpe. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on January 06, 2007, 12:53:22 AM
For the first time in 2 years Sewanee had all five starters on the court at the same time.  Sewanee 77  Depauw 70
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorfan on January 06, 2007, 02:17:36 AM
Hendrix defeated Trinity tonight in a very fast paced game.  Senior Michael Bennet had a game high of 20.  He was followed by freshman Cal Rose and Andrew King.  Senior Matt Secrease is out with an injury, but should be in shape to play soon.  I believe this the first time Hendrix has beat Trinity in 10 years.  Southwestern will make a visit to Grove Sunday afternoon.  Hopefully, the Warriors can keep the streak alive!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 06, 2007, 08:30:09 AM
Two big home wins for Sewanee and Hendrix.  In the other two games it was the visitors who came out on top, Centre over OU by a 76-57 score and Southwestern over Austin in a low scoring 52-33 game.

For those with short memories, let me point out that Sewanee and Hendrix were the two teams that did not make the SCAC tournament last year.  With the bottom two teams from last year beating the likes of Trinity and nationally ranked DePauw, I think we have ample proof that this will be a wide open year with very few if any easy games.

Millsaps plays at Rhodes this afternoon at 5.  There is no scheduled broadcast of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: colincondi on January 06, 2007, 11:16:12 AM
A couple of shockers on the SCAC men's side... Sewanee over DePauw and Hendrix over Trinity... Granted, Trinity is down from the last few years and Hendrix seems to be playing well, but the margin surprised me.  Sewanee should be pretty strong now that they are healthy... how did they force DePauw into shooting 30 3's?  SW over Austin was somewhat expected, and Centre over OU is not a big surprise, but the score was... Centre held OU 30 points below their average...

I agree with Frank... I don't see many easy games anywhere on the schedule...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on January 06, 2007, 07:16:48 PM
I saw the Trinity-Hendrix game last night.  I was impressed by Hendrix' execution on the offensive end of the court.  Many of their set plays led to easy shots.  The FG% of 48% tells you they accomplished what they set out to do.  Trinity had a poor shooting night.  (I'm not taking too much away from the Warriors defense)  LOTS of pretty good looks just didn't fall for the Tigers. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 07, 2007, 08:42:58 AM
Just to get the quick facts out of the way, Millsaps won 84-67 at Rhodes on Saturday.  Rogan had 20, Montgomery and Bailey had 18, and Odum had 15.  Chris Sanders grabbed 12 rebounds.

I would never lie to anyone and tell them that I was a great athlete or coach in my past.  I was decent, but no where near the college level in any way.  On the other hand, I do think I'm way above average in making honest observations even when it comes to Millsaps.  Driving back from Memphis, I came up with the following 3 observations about Millsaps basketball:

1)  I've seen most of the Millsaps home games since my nephew joined the team in 1998-99.  This year's team is the most talented group in that 9 year stretch.

2)  The best team I've seen at Millsaps during that 9 year stretch is the 2000-01 team that finished 20-6, tied for 1st in the conference, and went to the NCAA Tournament.

3)  If this year's team wants to be better than the 2000-01 team, then I have the following suggestion.  Ask Coach Wise for a copy of the 2/22/04 tape of Trinity vs. Millsaps and then have all the players meet and watch the tape without the coaches.  That 2003-04 team was lacking in height, talent and depth, but they played with more intensity and heart than any Millsaps team that I've ever seen.  If the current team can rise up to the consistent intensity level of the 2003-04 team then they will take their play to an entirely different level.

I'm not sure just how many people will be offended by my observations but I am certain in the accuracy of my statements.  This year's team has the chance to be great and they have the chance to challenge for best ever at Millsaps in 2007-08.  It's up to them to decide just how great they really want to be.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 09:13:53 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 07, 2007, 08:42:58 AM
Just to get the quick facts out of the way, Millsaps won 84-67 at Rhodes on Saturday.  Rogan had 20, Montgomery and Bailey had 18, and Odum had 15.  Chris Sanders grabbed 12 rebounds.

I would never lie to anyone and tell them that I was a great athlete or coach in my past.  I was decent, but no where near the college level in any way.  On the other hand, I do think I'm way above average in making honest observations even when it comes to Millsaps.  Driving back from Memphis, I came up with the following 3 observations about Millsaps basketball:

1)  I've seen most of the Millsaps home games since my nephew joined the team in 1998-99.  This year's team is the most talented group in that 9 year stretch.

2)  The best team I've seen at Millsaps during that 9 year stretch is the 2000-01 team that finished 20-6, tied for 1st in the conference, and went to the NCAA Tournament.

3)  If this year's team wants to be better than the 2000-01 team, then I have the following suggestion.  Ask Coach Wise for a copy of the 2/22/04 tape of Trinity vs. Millsaps and then have all the players meet and watch the tape without the coaches.  That 2003-04 team was lacking in height, talent and depth, but they played with more intensity and heart than any Millsaps team that I've ever seen.  If the current team can rise up to the consistent intensity level of the 2003-04 team then they will take their play to an entirely different level.

I'm not sure just how many people will be offended by my observations but I am certain in the accuracy of my statements.  This year's team has the chance to be great and they have the chance to challenge for best ever at Millsaps in 2007-08.  It's up to them to decide just how great they really want to be.

Good morning Frank,

As an outside observer who listened to that Millsaps/MC Choctaw first round playoff game in 2001 over the Chocs' Jackson radio internet feed, I think that you have made very well-considered observation and provided an example to substantiate the constructive criticisms that you are making.

I see that the SCAC is wide open this year.  I don't think that there is a dominant Top 25 team that we have seen in a Trinity or a DePauw earlier in the decade.

The SCAC race should be very entertaining.  With the balance of talent that is in that league, I think that you have identified the distinguishing characteristic of the 2007 SCAC Champion...the intense desire to excel. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on January 07, 2007, 06:25:40 PM
Sewanee lost to Centre 80-68.  Garcia had 26, Pursell had 12 and 6 rebounds.  I don't think it would have changed the outcome but the offciating was inconsistent at best.  On to Rhodes and Milsaps this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 07, 2007, 07:30:11 PM
Quote from: irion on January 07, 2007, 06:25:40 PM
I don't think it would have changed the outcome but the offciating was inconsistent at best.

At Sewanee?  Questionable officiating?  You don't say....

I always get a good chuckle out of thinking about the referee who threw a Sewanee fan out for absolutely nothing up on the mountain against DePauw last year.  That same fellow also gave out about 40 techicals and whistled at least 2,000 fouls by himself in that game. 

On an unrelated note, here's the rest of the scores from today:

DePauw 76
Oglethorpe 70

Trinity 64
Austin 45

Southwestern 57
Hendrix 43
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on January 07, 2007, 10:07:08 PM

At Sewanee?  Questionable officiating?  You don't say....

I always get a good chuckle out of thinking about the referee who threw a Sewanee fan out for absolutely nothing up on the mountain against DePauw last year.  That same fellow also gave out about 40 techicals and whistled at least 2,000 fouls by himself in that game. 

The guy he threw out was on the Board of Trust at Sewanee.  Of course, Coach Thoni does not help the situation by staying on the refs.  He is better this year....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on January 08, 2007, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on January 07, 2007, 07:30:11 PM
Quote from: irion on January 07, 2007, 06:25:40 PM
I don't think it would have changed the outcome but the offciating was inconsistent at best.

At Sewanee?  Questionable officiating?  You don't say....


So far this is line of the season.  Well done. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on January 08, 2007, 02:13:50 PM
The SCAC season is going to be wild for sure.  As Frank and Ralph have mentioned in earlier posts, the teams that have a solid nucleus of players that exude that "intense desire to excel" will come out on top more often than not in league play.  A lot of these teams (Southwestern, Centre, Hendrix, and Millsaps) have begun to learn how to win.  Will they keep it up?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on January 09, 2007, 11:57:03 AM
Well, I see where Millsaps lost to Rust 92-70 last night at Rust.  I bet Rust has only lost a handful of games at home in the history of its men's basketball program.  I was not able to listen to the game.  Did any Millsaps' faithful catch it?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 09, 2007, 04:11:43 PM
I listened to the game and I've been waiting to see a box score.  It sounded like Rust was raining three's from all over the court and they broke open a close game with a barrage early in the second half.  I really didn't get a good feel on how the individual stats went for the night.  For a while it sounded like Edrick Montgomery was going to have a shot at the new 11 for 11 shooting record set last week but I know he missed at least one shot.  Unfortunately for Millsaps, it was a game where Edrick got in foul trouble early and stayed in foul trouble throughout which limited his minutes and his effectiveness on the defensive end.

Just another example from the last 3 days of how unpredictable the SCAC is this year:  On Saturday Millsaps won at Rhodes by a 84-67 margin.  On Monday Rhodes won at Dallas 81-53 while Millsaps was losing by 22 at Rust.  It's hard to predict how any team is going to do this year on a given night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 09, 2007, 04:32:43 PM
Just to update my post on the Rust game, there now is a story on the Millsaps website (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/010907release.shtml).  Edrick Montgomery did come within a shot of breaking the shooting percentage record as he hit 12 of 13 and I think that miss came in about the last 5-6 minutes.

Rust shot 60% from the field which included 14 of 24 3-point shots, 12 of 16 from behind the arc in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 10, 2007, 09:14:17 AM
A QUESTION FOR ANY HENDRIX FAN:

The SCAC scoreboard indicates that Hendrix does a livestat and a webcast for their basketball games but there seems to be no information of such on the athletic website.

It looks like the livestats can be reached at this link:  http://www.hendrixwarriors.com/livestats/xlive.htm

Is there a link for a webcast and are they covering all of the games?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on January 10, 2007, 10:05:25 AM
I wrote a my former coach at Hendrix and told him the livestat feature is impossible to find on their Web site. Hopefully he will pass this news on to the Hendrix SID, Parker Griffin, who can remedy the situation. I am not sure whether the feature will go on the road, though. I am guessing it will only be up for home games. And I know that there is not a link for a webcast. Although the college radio station, KHDX, broadcasted a few games last year. I'll check into whether they still do. Sadly, not all schools can broadcast like Depauw does. I listened to their webcast of the Oglethorpe games. It was quality. I can't wait to here their biased play-by-play — in a good way if you are a Depauw fan, which I'm not — of the Hendrix game Friday.

The livestate is cool, though. On Sunday, I kept up with both Hendrix games against Southwestern and can report that I had no problems and that it refreshed regularly.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 11:51:36 AM
Quote from: consultant on January 09, 2007, 11:57:03 AM
Well, I see where Millsaps lost to Rust 92-70 last night at Rust.  I bet Rust has only lost a handful of games at home in the history of its men's basketball program.  I was not able to listen to the game.  Did any Millsaps' faithful catch it?


Rust is 3-3 at home this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 10, 2007, 12:12:15 PM
Maybe that should have read "only lost a handful of games at home to Millsaps in the history of it's men's basketball program".  I don't know what the Millsaps record is for games at Rust but I know it has been a tough place to play.

I went to one or two games at Rust a few years ago and I didn't think their home court advantage had anything to do with officials.  It seemed to me that the game was evenly called.  The advantage comes from it being a small gym with the fans being very close to the court and they can pack them in for some of the games.

So far this year Rust is 4-2 in games with SCAC teams, having gone 3-0 at home and 1-2 on the road against Rhodes, Hendrix and Millsaps (the road win was at Rhodes).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on January 10, 2007, 01:30:21 PM
Frank,

Is Sandro Norris still on the team?  If so, have you heard anything about when or if he will play? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 10, 2007, 03:41:55 PM
Sandro wasn't with the team in Memphis which makes me think that he transferred at the semester.  Without getting into details, there were complications that came up before practice started that made it doubtful that he would play this season but those reasons were not for discipline or grades.

Speaking of Millsaps athletics, you need to sign up for the weekly email that I've been doing.  Just send me an email at millsapssports@yahoo.com and I'll add you to the list (I don't pass along anyone's email to anyone else and there's no hitting up anyone for donations).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on January 10, 2007, 04:30:59 PM
The Hendrix SID e-mailed me back today. He posted the live stat tracker, but it is still hidden. To find it, click on "Sports Information" — listed underneath the "Athletics Info" subhead on the left-hand side.

Here is the link:

http://www.hendrix.edu/EventsNews/athletics.aspx?id=2694

the livestat link is on the top of the page.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 11, 2007, 08:45:00 AM
Thanks Mark.  It's amazing that they would put that link hidden away like that instead of on the basketball pages where most people would look.  What's the point in providing a nice option for your fans who can't get to the game and then keeping the link hidden?  The only way I knew about this feature was through the SCAC Scoreboard--I never would have found it on the Hendrix site.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 11, 2007, 08:45:00 AM
Thanks Mark.  It's amazing that they would put that link hidden away like that instead of on the basketball pages where most people would look.  What's the point in providing a nice option for your fans who can't get to the game and then keeping the link hidden?  The only way I knew about this feature was through the SCAC Scoreboard--I never would have found it on the Hendrix site.

Good morning, Frank!

:D :D :D :D :D

Maybe the administration doesn't want athletics to attain too prominent a position on the Hendrix campus!   :D :D :D :D :D

Thanks for posting the link, too.  I should come in handy.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on January 11, 2007, 10:58:41 AM
Hendrix is still getting everything in order. Their Website is lackluster and does not take advantage of its capabilities.

But I am impressed at the progress the department is making. The new Wellness and Activities Center is moving along on schedule, and the soccer field and track — both completed last year — are top of the line. And while the facilities are moving along, Hendrix has finally pushed to fully staff its athletic department. Most every sport now has a head and assistant coach for the men's and women's teams. That is a huge improvement from the days of assistants staffing only the basketball teams and the men's and women's soccer programs sharing one head coach. The department still has a way to go, but the AD, Danny Powell, has an idea of how a D3 college athletic department should function. I think once the WAC is completed, the delapidated Grove building — the SCAC's worst gym— is razed, and Hendrix builds new facilities for the baseball, softball and tennis programs, Hendrix will begin moving up the all-sports trophy standings. Hendrix will never compete for the top spot, but it should become a school that can consistently place in the middle of the pack instead of jockeying with Oglethorpe and Millsaps for last place.

Check out the new WAC at:

http://www.hendrix.edu/construction/?ns1_mtid=1085&ns1_mtt=5&ns1_mid=190

mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 01:44:29 PM
Mark, thanks for the post.

Any thoughts on adding football at Hendrix?  Hendrix does not show up on my "Peterson's Colleges" search.  Any need to improve the Male:Female ratio or increase the number of students in the student body?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 11, 2007, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: Mark Hengel on January 11, 2007, 10:58:41 AM
...Hendrix will begin moving up the all-sports trophy standings. Hendrix will never compete for the top spot, but it should become a school that can consistently place in the middle of the pack instead of jockeying with Oglethorpe and Millsaps for last place.


Now Mark, we were all getting along so well and you had to go and add that last little bit about OU and Millsaps.  It makes me want to take back that karma I gave you this morning but I won't because unfortunately you are correct in naming the three at the bottom of the list.  Like Hendrix, I see Millsaps making an effort to rise from the bottom and I hope the success of the football and baseball along with the publicity of the Saints will help raise the standards for all of the sports teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on January 11, 2007, 02:23:14 PM
Ralph-

Here are the Yahoo! and Peterson's searches:

1) http://education.yahoo.com/college/facts/6620.html
2) http://www.petersons.com/ugchannel/code/instvc.asp?inunid=6620

I can tell you that Hendrix has been undefeated in football since 1963, when it ended the program, and it has no plans of spoiling its perfect record.

Hendrix has a decent Male:Female ratio (56-percent women, 44-percent men), but it has a small student body (1,063 according to Peterson's). I can say that the college hopes to grow the numbers over the next few years though. And it increased enrollment by 37% last year, according to a New York Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/12/education/12tuition.html?ex=1168664400&en=0c498a3271a83059&ei=5070
--The article looks at how many liberal arts schools have increased their price in order to increase enrollment. It uses Hendrix as one of many examples. Neat story.

From what I've heard, Hendrix hopes its student body will one day reach 1,500. But I have heard that second hand and cannot varify the number. Why do you want to know about football and the school's statistics? I am glad to offer the info, I just can't help but ask.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 02:29:40 PM
Quote from: Mark Hengel on January 11, 2007, 02:23:14 PM
Ralph-

Here are the Yahoo! and Peterson's searches:

1) http://education.yahoo.com/college/facts/6620.html
2) http://www.petersons.com/ugchannel/code/instvc.asp?inunid=6620

I can tell you that Hendrix has been undefeated in football since 1963, when it ended the program, and it has no plans of spoiling its perfect record.

Hendrix has a decent Male:Female ratio (56-percent women, 44-percent men), but it has a small student body (1,063 according to Peterson's). I can say that the college hopes to grow the numbers over the next few years though. And it increased enrollment by 37% last year, according to a New York Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/12/education/12tuition.html?ex=1168664400&en=0c498a3271a83059&ei=5070
--The article looks at how many liberal arts schools have increased their price in order to increase enrollment. It uses Hendrix as one of many examples. Neat story.

From what I've heard, Hendrix hopes its student body will one day reach 1,500. But I have heard that second hand and cannot varify the number. Why do you want to know about football and the school's statistics? I am glad to offer the info, I just can't help but ask.
Mark, thanks!  I don't know why my Peterson's did not work for Hendrix!!! Maybe they "phished" for my SAT scores somewhere and ruled me out!   :D

We have seen B-SC, ETBU, UMHB, LaCollege, Texas Lutheran, Huntingdon and LaGrange add football as part of the solution in the last decade to adapt to the changing nature of college survival and the university experience.

I was curious if Hendrix was considering that as an option.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on January 11, 2007, 02:36:42 PM
Sorry Frank. Hopefully you can forgive my opinions.

And, Ralph, I would have no problems with Hendrix adding the football program. It did add a new turf infield on as part of its track and field complex. The turf is meant for the lacrosse and field hockey programs that will begin playing next year, but it would fit a football team perfectly.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on January 11, 2007, 05:00:28 PM
So, will we see some teams begin to pull away this weekend, or does everyone think the SCAC will stay tight all season?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 12, 2007, 10:09:35 AM
Here's a question for all of you NCAA experts.  Birmingham Southern is coming into the SCAC next year after having a Division 1 program.  Is it correct that for the next 4 years they will not be eligible for the SCAC Tournament or for the NCAA Tournament because of a 5 year probation period for teams dropping down?

If that's correct, then it must be a tough sell to recruit kids when those kids will not be allowed a chance at winning a league championship or going to the NCAA Tournament during their career.  I assume the football team is eligible right away since it will be the first year for football.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on January 12, 2007, 11:17:31 AM
I do not qualify as a NCAA expert, and cannot answer Frank's question with any certainty. However, I did catch Frank DeFord's column on NPR's Morning Edition this Wednesday. It discussed Birmingham-Southern's switch to D3. Here is the link if you want to listen:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6777819

It's titled Scholars and Athletes without Scholarships.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2007, 11:32:03 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 12, 2007, 10:09:35 AM
Here's a question for all of you NCAA experts.  Birmingham Southern is coming into the SCAC next year after having a Division 1 program.  Is it correct that for the next 4 years they will not be eligible for the SCAC Tournament or for the NCAA Tournament because of a 5 year probation period for teams dropping down?

If that's correct, then it must be a tough sell to recruit kids when those kids will not be allowed a chance at winning a league championship or going to the NCAA Tournament during their career.  I assume the football team is eligible right away since it will be the first year for football.
Frank, I am not sure that the "new" football team is eligible, but that is an interesting question.  I hope that they are.  Maybe the SCAC-SID can chime in on that.

Otherwise, the school must go thru the full 4 year cycle to become a full member.  There have been attempts to accomplish the process in 3 years, but I do not recall any team achieving that.  UT-Tyler tried but had to finish their 4th year (2006-07).  In the third and fourth years of provisional status, the NCAA permits their games to count in "in-region" calculations.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on January 12, 2007, 12:57:32 PM
Thanks, Mark for the link to the Frank DeFord piece. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on January 12, 2007, 04:17:26 PM
I just wrote an e-mail to the SCAC SID about Frank's original question. Hopefully the man in charge in Atlanta will inform us about Birmingham-Southern's membership in the SCAC. It is an interesting question, and I look forward to some clarification.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2007, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: Mark Hengel on January 12, 2007, 04:17:26 PM
I just wrote an e-mail to the SCAC SID about Frank's original question. Hopefully the man in charge in Atlanta will inform us about Birmingham-Southern's membership in the SCAC. It is an interesting question, and I look forward to some clarification.

Football will not be eligible. They are still a Division I member in the eyes of the NCAA until the provisional period is complete.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 13, 2007, 12:16:25 AM
From Friday night:

Austin 60
Centre 84

Hendrix 62
DePauw 75

Oglethorpe 76
Millsaps 78

Sewanee 76
Rhodes 56

It seems Chris Sanders of Millsaps tipped in an Allen Odum miss at the horn to give the Majors the 2 point win.  Ahmad Kareem Shaheed went nuts for OU, scoring 24 pts with 18 boards on 9-11 shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 13, 2007, 11:02:47 AM
Last night's results leave 5 of the 10 teams tied for 1st with a 3-1 record.  As has been mentioned many times already, there will be very few if any easy nights in the SCAC this year and just about any team that gets to the SCAC Tournament will be capable of winning the NCAA Tournament bid.

OU shot 61.7% from the field last night, 40% behind the arc, 85.7% on their free throws, won the rebounding battle by 8 but they could not get their first SCAC win of the season.  Go figure.  Millsaps had more offensive rebounds (13) than defensive rebounds (11) since OU only missed 18 shots all night. 

Millsaps did win the turnover battle 21 to 12 and they hit 13 3-pointers compared to only 6 for OU which were their keys to victory.  Chad Songy came off the bench to hit 5 of 10 from behind the arc and reserve Blake Martinez added 2 of 4.  There were 5 Majors in double figures led by Rodney Rogan with 17, Songy with 15, Lorenzo Bailey with 13, Allen Odum at 12, and Edrick Montgomery had 11 to go along with a team leading 7 rebounds.  Chris Sanders only had 4 points but it was his putback with less than a second to play that gave Millsaps their winning margin in the 78-76 game.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on January 13, 2007, 02:59:48 PM
I attended the Rhodes/Sewanee game last night and what impressed me most was the scoring mix.  4 of 5 starters were in double figures ( the other starter had 8 pts).  For the first time on the road Sewanee had a good game and executed it well.

The downside to the scoring is there is no help from the bench in the last several games, as we get deeper into the season Sewanee must get some help from the backups to make a run.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 14, 2007, 06:58:39 AM
I noticed this morning that the SCAC website (http://www.scac-online.org/) now has a feature on the main page that lists the basketball webcasts and livestats for the week.  That's a very convenient feature to have as more and more schools add some sort of live information for their ball games.

And while I'm at it, let me give a word of thanks to Dwayne Hanberry of the SCAC office for the work he does on the league website.  The timeliness of the information and the amount of information is incredible and I doubt that many if any leagues can match up to the SCAC website.  I don't know them personally, but the SCAC seems to be really lucky that they have had the stability of Steve Argo as the Commissioner for 16 years and Dwayne as the SID and Assistant Commissioner for the past 12 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on January 15, 2007, 12:27:13 AM
Ditto on Frank's remarks concerning Dwayne Hanberry, Steve Argo, and the SCAC office.  Dwayne does an amazing job with very few resources.  He also makes all the schools look really good considering that most SCAC schools continue to be slow in updating their scoreboards and news pages.  I've known Dwayne and Steve for several years now, and I know them to represent the interests of the SCAC with style and class. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 15, 2007, 05:20:31 AM
Millsaps, Centre and DePauw all won yesterday to remained tied at the top of the SCAC with a 4-1 record.  Millsaps goes on the road to Austin and Hendirx next weekend and then has 5 out of 7 games at home to finish the season.

The Sewanee verses Millsaps game was tight throughout with neither team ever making a big run to build a comfortable lead.  Rodney Rogan lead the scoring with 21 points, Lorenzo Bailey added 14 and Edrick Montgomery had 12 points to go along with his game leading 9 rebounds.  Allen Odum had a balanced afternoon with 7 assists and 8 points. 

The box score shows very little difference between the two teams except in the rebounding margin in favor of Millsaps at 37-23 and in the three point shooting.  Sewanee was a decent 6 of 20 while Millsaps found their margin of victory by hitting 9 of 17 from behind the arc.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yodcw2003 on January 15, 2007, 01:44:24 PM
Can someone who has seen Rhodes play this year please let me know what's going on? I know Rhodes has not been at the top of the conference the last 7 or 8 years but they've always been around .500 in SCAC play or at least competitive. It really seems like they are struggling big time this year. Can someone add some thoughts to how their team looks and what seems to be the problem(s)?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on January 15, 2007, 02:44:03 PM
As some of you might remember, I said I would write the SCAC about Birmingham-Southern's eligability status. The school will join the SCAC next year, but it is competing in the D1's Great South Conference this year. Pat Coleman posted on the issue and clarified that Southern will not be eligable until its provisional period is complete, and Mr. Coleman is right.

But here is what D. Dwayne Hanberry wrote me:

"Mark,
Yes, Birmingham-Southern will not be eligible for NCAA championships for the next four seasons as they go thru the provisional process. The first year they will be eligible for NCAA championships will be 2011-12.

As for SCAC championships (in any sport), that matter will be decided definitively at our next President's meeting (next month).

thanks,"

That means no NCAA for Southern until the Chinese celebrate their next year of the rabbit, but I am anxious to know what the SCAC will do. It is interesting that the SCAC is thinking about allowing Southern to compete although the NCAA is not. And I would love to hear the Presidents' arguments for and against the proposition.

Myself, I believe the SCAC should allow Southern to compete asap. But that is just my gut reaction, and a good arguement could easily alter my stance. I look forward to hearing what happens during the President's meeting, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on January 15, 2007, 08:52:35 PM
Mark,

It is an interesting question about BSC.  For what it's worth (and this is a very simplistic view admittedly) I believe they should let the kids play for championships right away since they are stepping "down" in class provided that no one reamins on athletic scholarship.  If they choose to stay at school and compete without the finanicial aid, more power to them.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2007, 09:20:13 PM
Quote from: Mark Hengel on January 15, 2007, 02:44:03 PM
As some of you might remember, I said I would write the SCAC about Birmingham-Southern's eligability status. The school will join the SCAC next year, but it is competing in the D1's Great South Conference this year. Pat Coleman posted on the issue and clarified that Southern will not be eligable until its provisional period is complete, and Mr. Coleman is right.

But here is what D. Dwayne Hanberry wrote me:

"Mark,
Yes, Birmingham-Southern will not be eligible for NCAA championships for the next four seasons as they go thru the provisional process. The first year they will be eligible for NCAA championships will be 2011-12.

As for SCAC championships (in any sport), that matter will be decided definitively at our next President's meeting (next month).

thanks,"

That means no NCAA for Southern until the Chinese celebrate their next year of the rabbit, but I am anxious to know what the SCAC will do. It is interesting that the SCAC is thinking about allowing Southern to compete although the NCAA is not. And I would love to hear the Presidents' arguments for and against the proposition.

Myself, I believe the SCAC should allow Southern to compete asap. But that is just my gut reaction, and a good arguement could easily alter my stance. I look forward to hearing what happens during the President's meeting, though.
Mark, as I remember, as UT-Tyler has gone thru the provisional status for the NCAA (they are in year # 4), they competed for ASC honors.  They just didn't participate in the post-season tourneys that determined the AQ's.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yodcw2003 on January 17, 2007, 12:33:20 PM
So anybody got anything on Rhodes???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 17, 2007, 03:19:09 PM
Rhodes seems to be struggling this year because they lost their two leading scorers from last year in Rami Almefty and Matthew Jakes.  They were the face of the team and the two leaders of that team for several years. 

Rhodes also has to get defensive stops when they need them.  They gave up an average of 85 points a game over the weekend, and in conference games that will not get it done.  With all the scoring they lost from Rami and Jakes, that means their defense has to step it up even that much more.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 17, 2007, 03:24:56 PM
This is probably the biggest weekend of the season for Rhodes.  After starting the season with a road win over Trinity, Rhodes has lost 4 straight SCAC games including 3 at home.  It would seem like their hopes for going to the SCAC Tournament hinge on getting at least a split this week on the road and it might be that they need a sweep.  Since Hendrix and Austin don't go to Rhodes this year, the winner this weekend holds the head-to-head tiebreaker.

What makes this weekend so important is the remaining 7 games for Rhodes.  They host DePauw and Centre which will be extremely tough.  Then they host Southwestern and Trinity, once again a difficult pair to beat.  And they end the season on the road against Sewanee, OU and Millsaps, three teams that all won at Rhodes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yodcw2003 on January 17, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
Yeah, it definitely looks bleak for Rhodes this year. My brother and buddy ( you may remember them Patrick Yoder and Bryan Baird) went and saw them play Austin Peay this year and said they looked liked like they maybe in for a long year after losing Rami and Matt. I'll always be pulling for them and hopefully we can get back to the days when we were competing for the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 18, 2007, 09:17:14 AM
TO THE HANDFUL OF MILLSAPS FANS:  Just a note that the Austin vs. Millsaps game will not be webcast this Friday.  The link I put in the email this week was based on something I got from the Austin website that I should have checked more throughly.

And regarding Rhodes, I really didn't think the team was that bad in the one game that I saw them play.  I just think that every team in the league this year is solid and a team that is down just a little might end up looking like a team that is down a lot.  Rhodes has some talent and I don't assume that the Rhodes trip to Jackson will be an automatic win for Millsaps.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on January 19, 2007, 09:51:41 AM
Does anyone know if Centre College will be webcaastging the game against Trinity on Satrday night?  If no webcast, will they have LiveStats?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on January 19, 2007, 01:50:30 PM
I do not believe Centre does the webcast or livestat thing. To my knowledge, the only broadcasts of SCAC games can be found at www.scac-online.org. Sorry, I guess you'll have to make due with the Trinity at DePauw game, which DePauw will webcast. DePauw does a great job of this.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2007, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: Mark Hengel on January 19, 2007, 01:50:30 PM
I do not believe Centre does the webcast or livestat thing. To my knowledge, the only broadcasts of SCAC games can be found at www.scac-online.org. Sorry, I guess you'll have to make due with the Trinity at DePauw game, which DePauw will webcast. DePauw does a great job of this.

Ditto on the DePauw webcast.  If you just want to hear a D3 game, and Depauw is an option, you won't likely be disappointed! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on January 19, 2007, 04:58:18 PM
Thanks, Mark and Ralph!  I'll admit I support Trinity so  was hoping to catch something of the Centre game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on January 20, 2007, 01:13:56 AM
It appears that we are beginning to see some separation in the conference standings.  The top tier teams all won on Friday, and now Millsaps, Centre, and DePauw all have a two-game advantage over the rest of the pack with the exception of a 1 and 1/2 game lead over Sewanee.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 20, 2007, 12:06:21 PM
The Sunday game between Millsaps and Hendrix will be big for both teams.  Millsaps hosts Centre and DePauw next weekend and the Majors don't need to fall a game behind prior to those two tough games.  Hendrix is in the middle of the pack at 3-3 right now but that includes a road loss at both DePauw and Centre (two teams that are a combined 16-0 at home this season),  so that record might be a little deceptive.  I look for a close game in Conway on Sunday, something that will be decided by 6 points or less.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 20, 2007, 01:59:37 PM
The box score for the Millsaps-Austin game has been posted on the SCAC Scoreboard.  The bottom line looks very similar for the two teams with the margin of victory coming from Millsaps hitting 17 of 33 free throws to on 7 of 12 for Austin.

Number of note for Millsaps:  Edrick Montgomery had 25 points and 12 rebounds, hitting 9 of 15 from the field but only 7 of 14 from the line.  Deonte Oscar hit double-figures with 11 and Chris Sanders pulled down 11 rebounds (5 on the offensive end).  Lorenzo Bailey only had 8 points but he was the game leader with 5 assists and an impressive 7 steals.

For Austin, Jason Burton just missed a double-double with 9 rebounds to go along with 12 points.  Brian Hambrick and Arron Mewbourn each added 10 points.

Link to Austin College Story:  http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=715&ItemID=5325
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 21, 2007, 09:21:24 AM
Nothing surprising about the scores last night as the home teams won all three:

Centre 61--Trinity 52
DePauw 59--Southwestern 51
Oglethorpe 92--Sewanee 75

Trinity cut the lead to 2 with just over 4 minutes left but couldn't pull out the win:  http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketb_m/news_archives_06-07/mbb_trinity_0607.htm

Southwest was within 4 with less than 4 minutes to play but couldn't get any closer:  http://www.depauw.edu/ath/mbasket/index.asp?id=18758

From the OU website there is this nugget but no box score yet:  Oglethorpe dominated the game from the opening tip, jumping out to a 47-35 halftime lead, and cruised from there. Sewanee never led and the game was never tied after the first basket was scored.

Millsaps plays at Hendrix this afternoon needing a win to keep up with Centre and DePauw and to set up a big weekend in Jackson next week.  I hope the Majors aren't looking ahead to those games because the game this afternoon will be a tough one to win.  Live stats are available on the Hendrix website which is down at the moment but I'm sure it will be up soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 21, 2007, 02:10:45 PM
It looks like I was wrong about the Hendrix server being up by game time.  I've gotten on the livestats a couple of time and I've seen the lineups, but now I'm getting a message about server not found.

I did get a page at the www.hendrix.edu address and it looks different from what I remember so maybe they are upgrading their website this weekend.  If anyone else is able to get on the live stats and have it update, please post here.  That link is:  http://www.hendrixwarriors.com/livestats/xlive.htm

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 02:18:21 PM
It's against my nature to post score upadates on the message board when we have a Scoreboard page set up for that purpose.

http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2007-01-20&team=mens
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2007, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 02:18:21 PM
It's against my nature to post score upadates on the message board when we have a Scoreboard page set up for that purpose.

http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2007-01-20&team=mens

Pat, I hope you will indulge me in my posting in-game updates on the games that I am following closely.

The way that I use the scoreboard is to follow that socres that are featured, and then to select a game that may be "webcasted" or "Live-Statted".  If there is a discussion of the game that I am following, while I am following other games, then I "watch" 2 games at once.

As an analogy, I view the scoreboard function as I do the "crawl" across the bottom of the screen.  I encourage the SID's to post to the scoreboard, as they would to the "crawl" across ESPN.  I view the message board as the guys/fans at one table in the sports bar talking about the game on one screen, while the guys/fans at the other table are talking about the game on the other screen.

I see them as complementary.  I see the score on the scoreboard as more authoritative than my posts on the message board.

I hope that that becomes the way that we fans develop the use of the tools available to us. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 02:36:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2007, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 02:18:21 PM
It's against my nature to post score upadates on the message board when we have a Scoreboard page set up for that purpose.

http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2007-01-20&team=mens

Pat, I hope you will indulge me in my posting in-game updates on the games that I am following closely.

The way that I use the scoreboard is to follow that socres that are featured, and then to select a game that may be "webcasted" or "Live-Statted".  If there is a discussion of the game that I am following, while I am following other games, then I "watch" 2 games at once.

As an analogy, I view the scoreboard function as I do the "crawl" across the bottom of the screen.  I encourage the SID's to post to the scoreboard, as they would to the "crawl" across ESPN.  I view the message board as the guys/fans at one table in the sports bar talking about the game on one screen, while the guys/fans at the other table are talking about the game on the other screen.

I see them as complementary.  I see the score on the scoreboard as more authoritative than my posts on the message board.

I hope that that becomes the way that we fans develop the use of the tools available to us. :)

Oh, no doubt -- just don't expect me to post scores to a board when I have access to the Scoreboard. :)

Just like I would hope an SID doesn't post in-game updated to the message board when the Scoreboard is at their disposal.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 21, 2007, 02:45:28 PM
I agree with you Ralph that I hate the 2 pages of updates.  In this case I was just trying to find out if anyone else could get to the Hendrix website or was it a problem at my end.  The livestats started up with about 4 minutes to go in the half and it looks like they have the problem fixed.  

It appears to be halftime with Millsaps up 42-37 and now I'm off to a friend's house to watch the Saints.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 22, 2007, 08:48:51 AM
Millsaps, DePauw and Centre finish the first half tied for first with a 6-1 SCAC record.  Centre has a 10-game winning streak, DePauw has a 6-game winning streak, and Millsaps has won their last 5 SCAC games and 7 of their last 8 games.

Millsaps hosts Centre this Friday and DePauw on Sunday.  Millsaps does not play at Centre or DePauw this year so the games have the added value of giving the head-to-head advantage to the winning teams.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 22, 2007, 09:14:09 PM
The Oglethorpe Mens team lost a close one to Murvull College tonight in non conference action.  What looked like a blowout from the beginning (Murvull scoring the first 19 points) ended up being a nailbighter and came down to Murvull's good free throw shooting at the end. 

Final Score      Murvull  84   Oglethorpe  80

Dickinson 23 pts  11 reb.        (coach is finally playing him more)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dirty_South on January 26, 2007, 12:25:57 PM
flightofthepetrel...

Was it it dickison playing more or was it dickison actually playing harder?? 6 minutes is more time but is really that more time? C'mon...If you have seen him play at all this year you would realize that he not playing hard at all, he wasn't moving without the ball, wasn't shooting when did have the ball and his defense has been a let down from years past. For 3 years he has been the guts of the Petrels while Churchwell among others got all the glory. He seems to forgotten what made him an All-SCAC performer...

This team needs him to step up and be a leader...bottom line.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 26, 2007, 12:58:51 PM
0 against Depauw   19 against Millsaps   6 against Rhodes   24 against Lagrange  25 against Sewanee and finally 31 against Maryville.  Those are not his point totals  those are his minutes playing in the last 6 games- and no he wasn't hurt.    Before these 6 games he's averaging 34.7 minutes per game.  That's what I meant by coach is finally playing more.

I agree with you that for a stretch this year he wasn't playing with the same intensity as the past, but he was still putting 17 points a game while shooting good percentages.  I think the Maryville game was the best he played all year- and will hopefully be the change he needed.    I expect the trio of Tulowitzky, Dickinson, and Shaheed to have a big weekend and leave Texas with a sweep for the first time in....who knows?  Just my thoughts- and I don't know much.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 26, 2007, 03:07:51 PM
The 19 minutes against Millsaps produced a stat line of 1 shot, 2 points, 1 rebound, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls.  Maybe there has been some sort of injury or maybe the playing time dropped for other reasons.  My guess is that Coach Ponder has a fairly good grip on the situation and that he is dealing out playing time in a way that is in the best interest of the team and the players.

On to other things, this is a really big weekend for positioning in the SCAC.  Millsaps, Centre and DePauw are going to sort things out at the top with some head to head games.  OU, Sewanee, Southwestern and Trinity are matched up this weekend and they are tightly bunched in the middle to start the second half of the season.  It should be a very interesting weekend with a lot of games that come down to the last few minutes or last few seconds.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on January 26, 2007, 11:11:03 PM
No word on stats but Millsaps knocked off Centre tonight in Jackson.  DePauw defeated Rhodes, so we'll have a big game on Sunday between the Majors and Tigers for sole possession of first place in the SCAC.  I'm sure it will be a good one.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2007, 01:29:38 PM
I wrote a fairly complete post on the Millsaps-Centre game but the D3 server went down and the post was lost.  To sum it all up, Millsaps played well on both ends of the court for 40 minutes in front of a great home crowd.  Edrick Montgomery led the way with a double-double and you can see all the stats on the SCAC website (http://www.scac-online.org/).  You can read the Millsaps story on the game at http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/012607release.shtml .
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on January 27, 2007, 03:11:39 PM
I saw the Trinity - Sewanee game last night.  It was a nice win for Trinity as it appears the young team is beginning to come together.  Trinity jumped out to an early lead in the first half playing the normal tough defense and some of the best offense I've seen from them this year.  They were up 16 at the half.

They came out and built the lead to 20 with a nice stretch right after the break.  To Sewanee's credit, they started chipping away at the lead and got it down to 7 a couple of times.  What I was glad to see was that Trinity's young players kept their composure and were able to keep Sewanee at bay.  It was team effort in that the Trinity roatation still includes 10 players seeing real minutes with 2 others seeing the floor a bit with the game still very much in doubt.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 03:00:33 PM
Millsaps 48, DPU32, at the half!   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 28, 2007, 04:03:40 PM
DPU 76
Millsaps 74

Caught a good portion of the second half on WGRE.  Gotta say that was one impressive comeback by Coach Fen's fellas.  DPU was down by as many as 21,  but played absolutely lights out after the half.

I'd say that's a mark of an awfully good ball club.  Coach Fenlon has put together a great group of guys and he's got them playing well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 28, 2007, 04:30:12 PM
I caught the second half of the Depauw v. Millsaps game and that was and incredible comeback.  It sounded like it took a career game for Oilar who rattled of 3 or 4 three's in the second half.  Great game by the top two teams in the conference.

I'd also like to congratulate Oglethorpe on sweeping Tinity and Southwestern this weekend for what I think might be not only the first sweep of the Texas schools but also the first win's in Texas ever?  Granted Trinity and Southwestern are down this year great wins for the Petrels as they have now won their last 4 conference game to rebound from an 0-4 start.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 28, 2007, 06:19:26 PM
Oglethorpe's last win in Texas was against Southwestern on Feb. 20, 2000. It was the second of two games against the Pirates in two days. The second game was a make-up game after the first game between the two in Atlanta was "iced" out on Super Bowl weekend.

The last time OU swept both Trinity and Southwestern in Texas was Jan. 23 and 25, 1998. Defeated Trinity 82-74 and Southwestern two days later 76-66.  That was also OU's last win in San Antonio.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 28, 2007, 06:35:26 PM
Millsaps played great in the first half, DePauw played great in the first 10 minutes of the second half, and the last 10 minutes were nip-and-tuck which is probably the way the game should have been for the entire 40 minutes.

Since I'm taking photos throughout the game it is hard for me to have a really good impression of the overall scope of the game.  From my poor vantage point of looking through a viewfinder it looked like DePauw came out with great intensity to start the second half, knowing that they had to cut into the lead right away.  Millsaps did not match that intensity and maybe they were in a "protect the lead" mentality instead of a build the lead approach.  It's hard to say because DePauw was really playing well and I can't take anything away from their effort.

I will say that Millsaps played much better once the game was knotted up with about 10 minutes to play and there was no more lead to protect.  There was a crutial "block or charge" call in the last few seconds that went against Millsaps and allowed DePauw to shoot free throws.  I didn't see the play so I have no opinion on the call but it was just one of those games that was going to come down to something that close and it went against Millsaps today.

It was a great effort by both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 28, 2007, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: scacsid on January 28, 2007, 06:19:26 PM
Oglethorpe's last win in Texas was against Southwestern on Feb. 20, 2000. It was the second of two games against the Pirates in two days. The second game was a make-up game after the first game between the two in Atlanta was "iced" out on Super Bowl weekend.

The last time OU swept both Trinity and Southwestern in Texas was Jan. 23 and 25, 1998. Defeated Trinity 82-74 and Southwestern two days later 76-66.  That was also OU's last win in San Antonio.

THAT, sir, is why they pay you the big bucks.
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Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 28, 2007, 11:51:24 PM
Thanks SCACSID... very impressive facts.... and also a very long time ago.
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Post by: spfan22 on January 30, 2007, 03:06:10 PM
Half way through the conference games and things are really starting to take shape.  It seems certain that Depauw, Millsaps, and Centre will finish 1-3.  There are another 5 or 6 teams battling for spots 4-8.  Important game this weekend for those top spots between Depauw and Centre.  Several teams could really make a jump up or down this week, with many of the middle teams battling it out this weekend.

OU has won 4 straight conference games and has a pretty good chance to extend that to 6, with home wins against Austin and Hendrix.  Hendrix is a tough team, so it definitley wont be easy for the Petrels.  It should be an interesting weekend in the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 30, 2007, 03:58:46 PM
Quote from: spfan22 on January 30, 2007, 03:06:10 PM
Important game this weekend for those top spots between Depauw and Centre. 

I'm going to go ahead and set the over/under for number of seconds that magically disappear from the Alumni Gymnasium scoreboard clock at 13 for Saturday night's game.  Thoughts?

I believe I recall it being about that much time that just up and vanished late in last year's game in Danville.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 30, 2007, 04:42:11 PM
For your sake, hopefully DU is on top when those 13 seconds vanish off the clock.  Hopefully, nothing will happen in the game that would be considered "Questionable."  Should be a great game, as all of the Depauw vs. Centre games in the past few years have been.
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Post by: JJFlash on February 03, 2007, 12:18:22 PM
Hello Frank!

What's the best way for a Trinity fan to follow tonight's game?  Is there a webcast?  How about LiveStats?

Thanks!
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 03, 2007, 02:23:39 PM
I just stopped by the office to get some different camera lenses and I'm glad I checked the message board.  The Trinity-Millsaps women's game will be at 6 and the men at 8 and you can hear both at:  http://www.espnradio1240.com/listenlive.php

Regarding the men's game between Southwestern and Millsaps, I think I'm posting this for the first time in many years--Millsaps won with outstanding free throw shooting.  Millsaps won 71-65 while hitting 24 of 26 FTs compared to 14 of 20 for Southwestern.  Rodney Rogan hit 9 of 11 on his way to 25 points and Edrick Montgomery hit 7 of 7 for a third of his 21 points.  Montgomery also grabbed 10 rebounds for a double-double.

Aside from free throws, the other game winning stat was turnovers with 19 for Southwestern compared to 9 for Millsaps.  That helped make up for Millsaps shooting a frigid 36% compared to 45% for Southwestern.  Here's a link the the box score:  http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/sumc.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 03, 2007, 09:00:48 PM
Thanks, Frank!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:08:39 PM
Saps 46 TU 44, 6:54 TU rebs
TU--6:20; Rogan rebs
Saps- TU rebs
TU--turnover
Saps--5:36; OOB TU; 5:22; Bailey 2FG
TU--5:00; Martinez fouls Houston; FT 2-2; Saps 48-46.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:11:33 PM
Saps--Montgomery FG and fouled FT is good.  Saps 51-46.
TU--51-46 Martinez gets his 4th foul. Fg good. 51-48
Saps-- Rogan FG and fouled; FT is  no good, 53-48. 3:40.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:13:10 PM
TU- FG 53-50.  3:08; Saps calls time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:15:59 PM
Saps--TU rebs 2:35
TU--2:32 Montgomery blocks a drive.  TUball to inbound. Bailey rebs. 2:00
Saps-- 53-50; Rogan fouls; his 4th; 6th of the game. 1:27 left. Time forTU. TU ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:18:01 PM
TU--time TU 1:10. Saps leads 53-50.  Tu has the ball with 21 secs on shot clock.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:19:46 PM
TU--Houston Fg 53-52.
Saps--time 0:47 leading 53-52.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:22:01 PM
Saps--47.1  on the game clock; 26 secs on the shot clock; Montgomery getsreb but ball off the Tigers.  Saps ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:23:18 PM
Saps--Rogan is fouled, shooting 2 Ft; 20.4 secs left; FT  0-2; Saps 53-52.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:23:55 PM
TU Tigers have the ball and trail by 1 with 14 secs left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:25:54 PM
TU- Tigers have the ball; 4.8 secs, drew the foul from Montgomery; Moon shooting 2, first one is good.  Game is tied at 53.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:27:33 PM
TU--Moon hits both; TU leads by 1; 54-53. 4.8 secs left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2007, 10:30:21 PM
Saps--3FG attempt by Chris Sanders, no good; Trinity wins 54-53.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 04, 2007, 11:47:14 AM
First off, here's the box score on the Millsaps-Trinity game:  http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/tumc.htm

Millsaps had another cold shooting night hitting only 20 of 61 shots and I certainly credit the size and effort of the Trinity players for much of that.  If I had to pick between playing Trinity, Centre, and DePauw, I'm not sure if I could pick one that I would rather play over the others.  They are all very good, as is Millsaps, and a team is going to have to play very well to win 3 in Memphis.

One thing that hurt the shooting in both games this weekend was the absence of starting point guard Allen Odum.  His play was limited last weekend with a hurt knee and this week the knee was okay but he was sick and did not play in either game.  Millsaps is not a really deep team and the absence of one of the starters really effects the playing rotation. 

I do have one non-game related comment and all of you can take it for what it's worth.  We've all seen fans at games really ride the other team hard, getting the names of the opposing players off the roster sheet and then yelling things out at the individual players by name.  Some people think these comments are funny, some people think these comments are a good way of supporting your team, and I'm among the group that think these comment show a total lack of class.  I was surprised to see the Trinity Men's team taunting the Millsaps Women's team like that yesterday and it makes me regret that I made the effort to take photos of them when they played in the NCAA Tournament near Jackson last year.  It's the first time I've seen that from one of the SCAC basketball teams and it was disappointing.  That's just my point of view.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 05, 2007, 04:59:09 PM
First I want to agree with Frank.  I'm all for enthusiatic support of ones team, butI have a really hard time when people root against the opposition.

I listened to the Milsaps webcast and the announcer made it pretty clear that the interior defense of Trinity did an excellent job against Montgomery.  For him to be scoreless in the first half had to be a testament to some hard work in the paint.  Any comments?

Trinity had a very nice weekend by winning in OT on Friday vs Rhodes and the tough win on Saturday.  I think they are starting to show that they can play with the best in SCAC.  I still think they qualify for needing a "glass slipper" in the conference tournament to win it, but at least it's not completely out of the question.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeItHigh on February 05, 2007, 06:19:55 PM
What about the DePauw-Centre score?  The colonels by 32!  Must have been an incredible display, with Centre holding DePauw to 26% shooting and Schott to 0 points.  This sets up an interesting final two weeks for the top spot.  I'll bet that DePauw would have loved to have 13 seconds "taken" off the clock during the 2nd half of this game.    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 06, 2007, 09:25:10 AM
A couple of responses.  First on JJ's post, I think that everyone will need a glass slipper if they are to win the tournament.  While some teams might be in a better position to win 3 games in a row, all teams at the tournament will be capable of winning at least 2 games if they get hot.  I don't know if I would give any team better than a 1 in 3 chance of winning the tournament and maybe that shouldn't be any higher than 1 in 4.

On the Millsaps-Trinity game I think the key was how the game was called by the refs.  They may have called it evenly but they basically called nothing.  Montgomery is a very quick post player and I'm sure that Trinity planned to be physical with him and foul him if need be.  Trinity only had 10 fouls called against them all game with 4 of those going to guard B.J. Moon and 3 going against sub Nick Polidoroff.  You know the Trinity players better than I but I would think you would be surpised to hear that Mike Gilb picked up his first foul with 19 seconds to go in the game and that was a wrap up foul to prevent a layup on an inbounds play. 

So the Trinity big men stopped the quickest post player in the league without fouling at all--it doesn't seem likely but that's the way it was called.  Millsaps only had 14 fouls in the game so it was consistent but the lack of fouls being called certainly favored the Trinity style.  I don't want that to sound like sour grapes but I do think that the decision by the refs to "let them play" was a big factor in the game and I think that the low number of fouls is an indication that the refs weren't inclined to call many fouls.
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Post by: evacuee on February 06, 2007, 10:55:26 AM

Frank,

I'm sorry to read that about the men's players heckling.  I've sat there for that game several times just a few feet away from the men, and all they've ever done is sit there and eat their McDonald's.  I hope Coach took care of that in some form. 

I wish I could have made it as it sounds like it was great for a number of reasons, while frustrating for the home crowd.  That Sunday slot always worked out far better so I hope they go back to it.  Do you know anything about how that's going to work out?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 06, 2007, 01:13:26 PM
I've seen the Trinity teams many times in the Millsaps gym and it had never happened before so I hope this was a once and never again situation.  I want to stress that I've heard fans at many SCAC locations that were as bad or worse, but the ball players are there as official representatives of their school and they also understand the sacrifice it takes to play D3 sports so their actions were surprising.

As for the Saturday night deal, I happen to like the format because I hate the puny crowds that show up for most Sunday games.  One of my goals in starting the Millsaps sports email was to get more involvement from the alumni in the local community and I think the Saturday night games could be a real success.  It didn't happen this past week because I haven't been able to convince Millsaps to open up that alumni email database but I'm working on it.  Hopefully that will all be in place by next season.
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Post by: carlweathers on February 06, 2007, 01:30:52 PM
Historically speaking, a physical game where the refs let stuff go has not been to Trinity's advantage.  It is interesting to hear that a physical game might benefit them more now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 07, 2007, 11:34:32 PM
Oglethorpe beat Emory on Tuesday night 90-73.  OU trailed at halftime by 4, but a nearly perfect second half vaulted them to the win.  Andrew Tulowitsky led a balanced OU team with 19 points and 6 assists.  Dickinson had 18, Shaheed 16, and Pilkavich had 15.  The Petrels are now 13-8 and have two big conference games this weekend hosting Millsaps and Rhodes.  OU lost to Millsaps by two in the first meeting, so it should be a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 10, 2007, 08:33:45 AM
It was a pleasant surprise this morning to see a 78-74 victory for Millsaps over Oglethorpe last night (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/mcou.htm).  OU has been playing really well of late and the box score says they had 669 at the game last night so it was probably a great atmosphere for the home team.

Interesting info from the box score:
--Chris Sanders had a breakout scoring game with 20 points on 8 for 10 shooting including 4 of 6 from behind the arc.  He is a far better shooter and scorer than what he has shown in the past so hopefully this will be a real confidence builder for Chris.
--Edrick Montgomery didn't match the 26 rebounds he got at OU last year but he did pull down 19 to go along with 16 points.  It must have been a great matchup with Ahmad Kareem Shaheed who finished with 15 rebounds and 15 points.
--Millsaps went with a very short bench with only 6 players in double digit minutes.  They are a very tough team when they can do that in a single game but obviously it isn't something you can do for 3 straight nights.
--Millsaps only hit 4 of 13 free throws while OU hit 15 of 18.  Millsaps overcame that by hitting 12 of 28 3-pointers compared to 7 of 25 for OU while both teams hit 19 2-point shots.

I'll throw in a prediction just so everyone can think I'm crazy.  OU finishes with a road trip to DePauw and Centre.  I think they split on that road trip.  They can be so dangerous with all of their shooters and they seem like a team that is capable of playing way above their norm (which is pretty good) on any given night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 10, 2007, 04:12:57 PM
Millsaps shot extremely well in the first half, making almost all of their shots with hands in their face.  It seems like Millsaps has their best 3 point shooting games against OU.  Pilkavich's foul trouble really hurt the Petrels, as well as their inability to get their best shooters some open looks.  Exciting game and atmosphere last night.  OU needs a win on Sunday to stay in the middle of the pack, because they have their hardest road trip of the year when they travel to Centre and Depauw next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 11, 2007, 11:23:01 AM
Trinity beat the University of Dallas last night for its fourth consecutive road win.  It was Senior night at U of D and the Tigers handled the vocal crowd pretty well.  One can definitely see a different maturity level in this team that wasn't there in the first part of the year.  I believe they led from start to finish, and it seemed they got this win in almost workman like fashion.  I don't know if they are good enough to win in Memphis, but they appear to be coming together at the right time to give somebody a run for their money.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 11, 2007, 03:42:32 PM
DePauw won on the road at Austin today 63-58 and Centre came back after Hendrix had taken a 6-point lead with less than 5 minutes to go for a 72-71 road victory.  That keeps both teams tied for 1st in the SCAC.

No word on Millsaps at Sewanee.  It would be Senior Day at Sewanee so that just makes it a little bit more difficult for the Majors to keep pace with DePauw and Centre in the win column.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 11, 2007, 04:07:07 PM
Millsaps beats Sewanee today 93-80.  That gives DePauw, Centre and Millsaps 10 wins each and guarantees that they will hold the top 3 seeds at the SCAC Tournament. 

Millsaps hosts Rhodes next week to complete the regular season.  DePauw and Centre host Oglethorpe and Sewanee.  In case of a tie, DePauw holds the head-to-head tiebreaker over Millsaps and Millsaps holds the head-to-head over Centre.  To be honest, I'm not sure if the seeding will matter too much in Memphis as was shown last year with #8 beating #1 in the first round. 

Right now Hendrix, Sewanee and Southwestern hold the 6, 7 and 8 spots and they are all capable of beating any team in this league on a given night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 11, 2007, 04:31:26 PM
Last post and then I have to get to work on the Millsaps weekly email.  Here's the box score of the Millsaps-Sewanee game:  http://www.sewanee.edu/athletics/stats0607/mbasketball0607/mill-sew.htm

Millsaps had 6 players in double figures led by Allen Odum with 18 points in 12 minutes.  It will make a big difference if he gets well by the SCAC Tournament.  Montgomery just missed a double-double with 17 points and 9 rebounds but it wasn't a bad week, averaging 16.5 points and 14 rebounds in two critical road victories.

By the way, Millsaps trailed by 8 early in the second half before coming back for the 13 point victory.  In the second half Millsaps hit 18 of 25 from the field (72%), 7 of 11 from 3-point range (63.6%), and 15 of 17 free throws (88.2%).
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Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 11, 2007, 07:14:59 PM
Oglethorpe pulled out a come from ahead win today against Rhodes in a high scoring game  94-86.  Rhodes hit 2 consecutive 3's to cut the lead to 2 with under a minute to play but Ahmad Kareem Shaheed nailed all of his free throws down the stretch to help seal the win.   In a game that was marred by fouls (around 50)  Cory Smith torched the Petrel's and led Rhodes with a game and career high 44 points.

Notables

Rhodes

Cory Smith-   44 pts.

Oglethorpe

Ahmad Kareem Shaheed  29 pts. and 19 Reb.
Eric Dickinson  16 pts.   6 reb
Arthur Pilkevich  15 pts.  8 reb.
Andrew Tulowitzky 12 pts.  7 reb.
Terry Bailey  8 pts.  7 reb.  4 ast.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 12, 2007, 08:45:00 AM
Rhodes lost by 7 at Sewanee Friday night and by 8 at OU in a game that sounds like it was closer than the final score.  I saw the first game between Rhodes and Millsaps and I thought that Rhodes had a pretty good team but they are on the brink of elimination from the SCAC Tournament.  It just goes to show how balanced the league was this year.

Austin in winless so they will end up in 10th place this year.  Rhodes can only catch Southwestern and that only happens if Southwestern loses at home to Austin and Hendrix and Rhodes wins on the road at Millsaps. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeItHigh on February 13, 2007, 01:15:54 PM
With one weekend left to go, will either Centre or DePauw get beat?  DePauw looks to be struggling, can Oglethorpe get them on Sunday?  Or will they get Centre first on Friday?  Let's not forget Sewanee, are they capable of pulling off the upset?   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 13, 2007, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: TeeItHigh on February 13, 2007, 01:15:54 PM
DePauw looks to be struggling, can Oglethorpe get them on Sunday? 

Winning 10 of 11 is struggling? 

Also, DePauw is 9-0 at home this year.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scacfan on February 13, 2007, 10:15:28 PM
This post might be a week too early, but the tourney is getting close and the bracket is at least starting to take some shape.  Unless Rhodes wins at Millsaps and Southwestern loses both games at home, it looks like Southwestern will pick up the 8th and final spot (and with two home wins, they could actually move up to the 6 seed).  It looks like the top 3 seeds are still up for grabs amongst the top three, Oglethorpe and Trinity are pretty much fighting for #4 and #5, and the 6-8 seeds are all still up for grabs. 

Hendrix lost in overtime to DePauw and by one to Centre at home this weekend, so they at least showed they can play with the top two teams in the standings.  Sewanee actually beat DePauw earlier this year.    Southwestern lost to Millsaps earlier in the year on a buzzer-beater, so as Frank mentioned in an earlier post, this is shaping up to be a great tourney.

Surprise teams of the year?  How about Centre and Oglethorpe, and possibly Trinity?  Centre lost both the conference's leading rebounder and the Player of the Year, so with those two losses, logic would say they might be down a little from last year.  Right now they seem to be playing better than anyone.  Beating DePauw by 32 is pretty impressive, as is winning 14 of their last 15 games.  They seem to be a very well-balanced team.  Oglethorpe started 0-4 in the conference but have rebounded to win 7 of their last 8 with the one loss being a 4 point loss to Millsaps.  That's a pretty impressive turnaround and they are scoring in bunches.  We'll see what they can do when they take the toughest road trip in the conference this weekend.  Trinity lost all five starters from last year, but you knew they wouldn't drop to far.  They seem to be playing their best ball of the year, having won four straight including their last three conference games. 

I don't want to leave Depauw and Millsaps out.  I just don't think they are surprises.  DePauw is having a great year at 19-4 and has won 10 of 11, but I think everyone kind of expected that, based on who they had coming back.  Same with Millsaps.  They are having a great year also and have won 8 of 10, but I think people expected them to be good also. 

This weekends results should be interesting.  Once the bracket is final, I'm sure we can have a good discussion on predictions. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 14, 2007, 11:59:49 AM
With apologies to folks who are indifferent to accuracy, I want to point out that Oglethorpe has lost two games in their last 10 to GSAC teams LaGrange and Maryville.   Maybe that does not count in figuring out who will beat whom in the SCAC tournament but it might be a hint as to what to expect in the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeItHigh on February 14, 2007, 01:26:30 PM
In response to DePauw struggling, I would think that  losing by 32 at Centre two weekends ago and then only beating Austin 5 on Sunday would constitute struggling.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2007, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 14, 2007, 11:59:49 AM
With apologies to folks who are indifferent to accuracy, I want to point out that Oglethorpe has lost two games in their last 10 to GSAC teams LaGrange and Maryville.   Maybe that does not count in figuring out who will beat whom in the SCAC tournament but it might be a hint as to what to expect in the NCAA.

Like the birds returning every spring, it is time for scottiedoug to return to the SCAC board.  If the Scots are hitting 3-pointers like they did in the opening round of the NCAA Tournament last year then they'll be hard for anyone to beat.

On the remark about DePauw struggling, it's one of those glass half empty or half full things.  DePauw seems to play very well in stretches but they also have some big letdowns.  Millsaps led DePauw by 21 in the first half but DePauw came back and won.  Centre beats DePauw by 30+.  DePauw needs OT to beat Hendrix.  DePauw has a huge half time lead on Austin then only wins by 5. 

Give credit to DePauw that they have enough talent to overcome their poor stretches and they continue to find a way to win, but at the same time I think it is fair to say that they have struggled during stretches of several games down the homestretch. 

I think OU has a chance to win at both Centre and DePauw this week because OU has a knack of going on incredible hot streaks, but clearly they will be the underdogs in both games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2007, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 14, 2007, 11:59:49 AM
With apologies to folks who are indifferent to accuracy, I want to point out that Oglethorpe has lost two games in their last 10 to GSAC teams LaGrange and Maryville.   Maybe that does not count in figuring out who will beat whom in the SCAC tournament but it might be a hint as to what to expect in the NCAA.

Just out of curiosity, exactly what hint does it tell us about the NCAA?  Maryville is leading their conference and they have two narrow 4-point victories over OU this year, a team that is tied for 4th in the SCAC.  Are you suggesting that Maryville will struggle when they meet the top teams from a conference in the NCAAs?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scacfan on February 14, 2007, 09:38:35 PM
Frank,

Like you, I was a little confused with Scottiedoug's post... first, I didn't understand the "indifferent to accuracy" comment.  I noted that OU started 0-4 in conference games and have since won seven of eight (the conference games part was implied)... nothing inaccurate about that.  I also wondered what he was implying by saying that since OU had lost to LaGrange and Maryville, that was a hint of what might happen in the NCAA.  If he was comparing SCAC vs. GSAC, I think he has a losing argument, but I'd be happy to get into that with him.

Back to the SCAC, I see the home teams winning most of the games this weekend.  I agree with Frank that OU can beat Centre and DePauw, but I think that's much more likely on a neutral floor.  I've got Centre and DePauw winning two, along with Trinity.  Southwestern beats Austin and loses to Hendrix.  MC takes care of RC at home.  If that happens, the bracket would look like this:

DPU vs. Sewanee
CC vs. SW
MC vs. HC
TU vs. OU

I'd say right now Centre is my favorite, but that could easily change after this weekends results.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2007, 10:12:15 PM
Scacfan, here are the recent NCAA Playoff records (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4385.11) for the SCAC and the GSAC (Maryville).

In descending order, the conferences rank ODAC, GSAC, ASC, SCAC, USAC and Independents. However, Maryville is only 1-3 versus the ASC teams. :)

I have this on Excel file if you wish. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 14, 2007, 11:58:03 PM
I did not intend to start an argument but to correct the assertion that Oglethorpe had recently lost only to Millsaps.  I have refrained from commenting on this board (despite Maryville's being 4 - 0 vs. the SCAC so far) and enjoyed lurking.

Maryville has done ok vs. the SCAC recently and not so well against the ASC (aka Mississippi College).  I wish the GSAC were bigger and stronger and that more ODAC, SCAC, and USASouth schools would come to Maryville to play so we could see more good teams before the NCAA's without having to play NAIA and D2 schools.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2007, 07:12:25 AM
And I too wasn't attempting to start an argument--it was just a good natured comment that shouldn't be taken too seriously.  Afterall, Millsaps just won at OU by 4 so knocking Maryville for doing the same wouldn't be very logical from a Millsaps fan.

Millsaps won 86-71 yesterday at Wesley College in nearby Florence, MS.  In the past that wouldn't have been a big deal but Wesley is the team that beat MS College in the season opener at MC.  I tried to find info on the game on the Wesley website but there isn't much there on sports.  I did find this link to an interesting story about their team that was 1-31 just two years ago but now has the talent to beat a team like MS College:  http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/SPORTS030105/701110349/1085/SPORTS
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bubba the Petrel on February 15, 2007, 07:56:56 AM
QuoteOglethorpe started 0-4 in the conference but have rebounded to win 7 of their last 8 with the one loss being a 4 point loss to Millsaps.

Also not trying to start (or continue) an arguement, but scottiedoug - what part of in the conference did you not understand? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 15, 2007, 01:26:06 PM
I think one reasonably could read your sentence to mean what you intended or what I read.  I do not want Maryville to have to try to beat Oglethorpe again this year.  They are a really good and dangerous bunch when they are playing well, and having seen the Scots twice, they'd have a plan!  Maybe we'll get to surprise some SCAC team that has not had the pleasure of playing Murvul lately.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 16, 2007, 01:49:06 PM
I've been checking out the Millsaps stats on the SCAC website with hopes of seeing the box score from the Wesley game last Wednesday.  I'm sure the delay is from Millsaps trying to get the stats from the Wesley staff so who know when the box score will show up.

While looking at the page that shows the box scores and the leading scorers and rebounders, I was surprised at the consistence in the play of Edrick Montgomery this year.  He has been the leading rebounder for Millsaps in 20 of 23 games (in one of those games he was tied with Rodney Rogan).  In the other 3 games he was only one behind the leading rebounder.  The scoring totals aren't as lopsided as he has only been the leading scorer in 12 of 23 games.

I just mention this because I hope the SCAC coaches keep in mind this consistent play when they are voting for the All-SCAC teams.  There are a lot of good players in this league but it would be hard to find anyone who has played more consistently and at such a high level as Edrick has played this season and certainly that has translated into a great season for Millsaps.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 16, 2007, 04:37:23 PM
Frank,
I've been told by the SID at Millsaps that it will probably be Sunday before I get a box...I don't think StatCrew software has made its way to Florence, Miss. yet. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 16, 2007, 05:00:53 PM
I figured someone at Millsaps would have to watch a tape and recreate the stats.  Wesley is a school with only 125 students so I don't what they have in the way of an athletic staff.  Of course, as Oak Hill has proven in high school basketball, a small student enrollment isn't a problem if you have the right 10-12 on the basketball team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 17, 2007, 08:10:32 PM
Mississippi now has two places that are devoid of statcrew: Florence and Holly Springs (home of Rust College).  Re-creating stats is mandatory for those games.  Learning how to watch film is helpful, too.

On to more important matters, this year's version of the SCAC Tournament is shaping up to be a classic.  The top four or five teams all have legitimate chances of winning.  Once the seeding is set, we'll let the predictions fly.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2007, 08:21:07 PM
Or knowing that if you want to get a box score, you send your own stat crew on the road. That happens at a lot of places, not just Wesley Miss. and Rust.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on February 17, 2007, 11:03:10 PM
Assuming seeding remains the same, here is how the SCAC Tournament looks from Nashville. I was able to see all of the teams in the tournament play at least once and most of them 2 times or more.   There has to be at least one upset and I think that is Sewanee over DePauw.  Although Sewanee beat DePauw and Ogelthorpe in the regular season, I don't think they have enough depth to beat 2 strong teams in 2 days.  When its all said and done I think Montgomery from Millsaps makes the difference and the Majors win it all.


Round One         
                     
#2 Centre, #7 Southwestern  winner Centre

#3 Millsaps. #6 Hendrix  winner Millsaps

#8 Sewanee , #1 DePauw  winner Sewanee

#4 Oglethorpe, #5 Trinity  winner Ogelthorpe

Semi Finals

#2 Centre, #3 Millsaps  winner Millsaps


#4 Ogelthorpe, #8 Sewanee winner Ogelthorpe


Finals
#4 Ogelthorpe , #3 Millsaps

SCAC Champion
# 3 Millsaps
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 18, 2007, 04:38:00 AM
Hey I like your predictions...     wouldn't it be nice to see this year's seniors return to the finals of the SCAC after a two year break from when they made it as freshman.  It would be a nice was to cap off a career foe Tulowitsky, Dickinson, Bailey, and Woodruff who were all there when OU made the finals last.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 18, 2007, 04:54:48 AM
I'm just curious...    I was doing a little stat checking and tallied up Ahmad Kareem Shaheed's career rebounds to see when (possibly next season) he would get 500, because he was not of the 3 approaching the 500 mark.    The number I got was 479, putting him almost there, but he is nowhere on the list.  Is there anyone with the SCAC who might be able to double check me with possibly more reliable stats and let me know why he's not on the list yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 18, 2007, 10:18:59 AM
Flight,
You are correct. His name was spelled differently in 2005-06 and the career stat generator was not recognizing those numbers. So when I went in and made that change, I now have him at 482 and he has been added to the list.

Thanks for the catch.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 18, 2007, 12:48:51 PM
Thank you very much... I figured it had to be something like that.  I appreciate the update so quickly... looks like he might get there this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2007, 03:48:26 PM
Just a quick update on the final Millsaps game.  Coach Wise went to his bench early and often with 10 players getting double-digit minutes, the 11th player getting 9 minutes, and Allen Odum sat out the game.  Chad Songy started at the point and led Millsaps scorers with 22 points in 22 miinutes.  Edrick Montgomery followed with 21 points and 12 rebounds and Rodney Rogan had 14.  Here's the box score link:  http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/rcmc.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2007, 04:51:19 PM
I like the way Centre plays defense and project them winning the whole thing.  I see Millsaps going down to a streaking Hendrix in round 1 and Oglethorpe dropping one to Trinity. DePauw wins round one, but goes down to Trinity.  Centre and Trinity collide in the final with Centre winning by 5.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 18, 2007, 04:56:23 PM
centre will not beat southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2007, 06:47:05 PM
I don't see any reason why Centre wouldn't be a strong favorite over Southwestern.  SW lost by 17 at Centre, Centre is 20-4 and SW is 11-14, SW has lost 8 of their last 11 games and Centre has won 16 of their last 17--it would be absurd to think that Southwestern will win this game.

On the other hand, Rhodes beat Trinity in the first round last year so Southwestern might be the team that pulls the big upset this year.  DePauw over Sewanee seems like a lock given the results from Friday (won 94-82 and were up 51-35 at the half) but Sewanee did have an early season win against DePauw.

Trinity and Oglethorpe is a tossup as a 4 vs. 5 matchup should be.  OU won the one meeting this season by 6 points at home which probably translates into a tie on a neutral court.  Trinity has won 5 of 6 but they did get outscored by 21 in the second half in their recent loss to Hendrix.  OU was on a hot streak until they lost to Millsaps, Centre and DePauw in the last 2 weeks but those are the top 3 seeds.

As for Hendrix and Millsaps, I think most people who are looking for a 1st round upset would look at this game.  Hendrix is a tough team as they proved by their two wins in Texas this weekend and their very narrow losses to DePauw and Centre the previous weekend.  Millsaps is also playing well with 9 wins in the last 11 games, losing to DePauw and Trinity when last second shots were off the mark.  This should be a good game just like all 7 games should be very good games at this year's tournament.

So after all that, here are my predictions:

1st round:
Centre over Southwestern by double-digits
Millsaps over Hendrix, less than 10 points
DePauw over Sewanee by double-digits
Oglethorpe over Trinity, less than 10 points

2nd round:
Millsaps over Centre, by 6 points or less
Oglethorpe over DePauw by 5 points or less (there's a surprise team every year and I'm taking a guess that it will be OU)

Final:
Millsaps over Oglethorpe by 7 points, giving Millsaps 20 wins for the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 18, 2007, 07:30:23 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: SCAC Men's Basketball Tournament)

frank,
"Millsaps wins the men's tournament".  Are you are purely dreaming this Sunday afternoon? pbrooks3 is more on the right track; "defense wins basketball tournaments".

                                                                        :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on February 18, 2007, 08:36:03 PM
Okay, here comes my prediction for the SCAC tournament: Centre beats DePauw in the final.

Now, here is my reasoning. And my reasoning is based mainly on statistics, because I attended only one game this year and therefore cannot handicap the match-ups based on emperical knowledge. Plus, my experience as a Hendrix grad and fan has taught me never to trust my bias.

The SCAC schedule included 70 intra-league games and only 12 times did the team with a lower rank (based on the year-end rankings) defeat a higher-ranked opponent. That means the higher-ranked team won 83-percent of the time. That's a pretty good clip. What's more, only three times did a team ranked fourth or lower knock off one of the SCAC's three top-ranked teams. And we can attribute two of those wins to Trinity's season sweep against Millsaps.

That is why I don't see any team ranked lower than Millsaps advancing to the title game. The SCAC has three strong teams at the top of its rankings this year, and I just can't believe any team that did not manage to win more than 11 SCAC games could top one, much less two, of the teams that did. True, Trinity has tradition, Hendrix has its hot streaks, and Oglethorpe's offense opens things up, but overcoming two top-ranked teams is asking two much (three much in Hendrix's case) of any one team.

Now, keep in mind, I acknowledge that one of the top three teams might fall. But not two. And I also don't believe that Millsaps can top Centre in the semi-finals. But I will admit that this assumption is based on my personal bias.

So, if I put so much stock in the rankings, why have I chosen no. 2 Centre over no.1 DePauw? That answer stems Centre's consistency. Consistency because even when Centre has lost, it has kept the score close. I think Centre's consistency makes them much tougher to topple than DePauw. As frank_ezelle has pointed out in a couple of his posts, the DU Tigers suffer from let downs — like dropping a game to no. 8 Sewanee or letting Centre beat them mercilessly. DePauw did top Centre early in the year, but thanks to its 32-point drubbing of the Tigers on Feb. 3, Centre outscored DePauw by 26 points this year. And a 26-point spread is one number everyone can trust.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 18, 2007, 10:06:46 PM
Quote from: d3allstar on February 18, 2007, 04:56:23 PM
centre will not beat southwestern.

Coach Raleigh, is that you?   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 19, 2007, 12:00:26 AM
oh guys. southwestern is capable of beating anyone. whereas they have had a couple rough games, they did hand the #13 U of Chicago thier worst loss of the year. Powell and Caplan are starting to feel it, and the bench is extremely deep. it'll be close, but SU will dominate the free throw line and get the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 19, 2007, 07:56:15 AM
Quote from: etg on February 18, 2007, 07:30:23 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: SCAC Men's Basketball Tournament)

frank,
"Millsaps wins the men's tournament".  Are you are purely dreaming this Sunday afternoon? pbrooks3 is more on the right track; "defense wins basketball tournaments".

                                                                        :)

etg,

You know I wasn't going to make any prediction that didn't end up with Millsaps winning the tournament.  In some years that's just the wishful thinking of a fan but this year it is as good a choice as any other team.  A couple of things to keep in mind:

--Millsaps started the season 4-5 so they are 13-3 in thier last 16 games.  During that stretch they lost to DePauw by 2 and to Trinity by 1, missing shots at the buzzer for the win.  To be fair, they also won some close games at the end as did Centre and DePauw and every other SCAC team.

--How much Allen Odum can play will be a key (he did not play in the loss to Trinity).  The silver lining is that his lack of playing time of late has allowed others to step up.  Chris Sanders scored 35 points two weekends ago and won SCAC POW.  Chad Songy started against Rhodes and scored 22 points.  It will take some depth to win 3 in a row and Millsaps developed some in the last couple of weeks.

Now, all that being said, I would suggest that no team has better than a 1 in 3 chance of winning this tournament.  I base this on probability.  For example, the odds of flipping a coin 3 times and having it come up heads all 3 times is 1 in 8 (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2).  You can calculate the odds of a team winning the SCAC Tournament in the same manner.  Take #1 seed DePauw for example and use numbers that a DePauw fan might use:

Odds of beating Sewanee:  4 out of 5
Odds of beating Trinity/Oglethorpe winner:  2 of 3
Odds of winning finals:  3 of 5

Multiply .80 x .667 x .60 and you get .32 or just below a 1 in 3 chance of winning the tournament. 

Or, if you are a person who likes to use history as a guide, how about this stat:  In the last 4 years, only once has the #1 seed even made it to the final game.  DePauw lost in the semi's in 2003, Trinity won in 2004, Southwestern lost in the semi's in 2005, and Trinity lost in the 1st round in 2006.  It should be a great weekend and I hope folks come to Memphis to support their team and the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeItHigh on February 19, 2007, 10:07:38 AM
DePauw has to be the slight favorite...they are the defending champs and still so until someone beats them.  I still contend that they may be struggling just a little bit, but we'll see.  Centre is on fire right now (is anyone playing better than them at the moment - 16 of the last 17) and Millsaps may have a shot as well, although they better not overlook Hendrix. 

Who's the Player of the Year?  or Newcomer of the Year?  or Defensive Player of the Year?  What do you guys think?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2007, 12:08:45 PM
I have seen all of teams play this year with the exception of one non-tournament team, Austin.  What impresses me most about Centre is consistency and the hard man-to-man defense they put on their opponents.  Their biggest obstacle to winning is the turnover bug which a team like Millsaps will attempt to exploit.  If their guards are solid along with average post play and 35% 3-point shooting, they have an excellent chance of winning.  Look at the stats on defense for the Colonels - they allow about 55 points per game in the conference.  Margin of victory is  15.  Granted they've lost two key road games at Millsaps & Depauw.  However, they blasted DePauw at Danville by more than 30, and the Millsaps game in Jackson was probably their poorest performance of the season. 

Sleepers in my opinion are Hendrix and Trinity.  I don't think you can ever count out Pat Cunningham and his teams.  I realize Trinity lost one this past weekend - they are still dangerous.  Hendrix has made a wonderful end-of-season run, and very easily could have beaten Centre in their Grove Gym final if they'd maintained a bit more poise in the stretch.  I can't see Hendrix winning 3 games, but they could still surprise.

I am not gung-ho on Oglethorpe for 3 games because of their reliance on the 3-pointer, but you can never tell.  Several years ago I remember them eliminating a better Centre team in the first round with great shooting.  It would take an incredible hot spell for them to go all the way!

Agreed that DePauw is the champ still and they are tough in the paint and have a way of grinding out wins.  Millsaps is clearly the most athletic squad I've seen play, but I really believe one of their tournament opponents can take them out of their fast-paced style.  If it's a defensive game between Millsaps and an opponent, I think the Majors are in trouble.  I saw an interesting game in Memphis between the Majors and Rhodes earlier.  Millsaps took control of the game early by dictating tempo and getting tons of turnovers.  They were up 12-15 at the half on the Lynx.  Rhodes came out to start the 2nd half on fire and opened up a 4 point lead in the 1st five minutes.  Millsaps simply got out of rhythm and turned it over.  With a timeout by the coach, they completely reversed things again when they returned to the court, taking a 10 point lead in the next 3 minutes and coasted from there to victory.  Had Rhodes been a better team with a good leader on the court, they would have won that game.  If Millsaps is victorious, their exciting fast-paced style could prove to be a positive in the D3 tournament.

One thing we can be sure of this weekend; there will be some surprises.  Expect this one to be a fun tournament.

 

 



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 19, 2007, 12:56:51 PM
I'm not so big on OU as the sexy sleeper-upset pick.  How can you go to the top two teams in the league on the final weekend and lose by 28 and 19 respectively and still be expected to upset people?  Add in that they didn't beat DePauw, Centre, or Millsaps this year, and I'm having a hard time buying it. 

They might beat Trinity.  Depends of which group of Coach Cunningham's boys show up.  Is it "lose twice to Hendrix by an average of 17 points" Trinity, or is it "sweep Millsaps and be the only team that beat them in the conference other than DePauw" Trinity?  If you get the latter of those two this weekend, watch out for TU.  They might have a little extra motivation, anyhow.  The other big story from last year's tourney was Rhodes beating Trinity in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stripes on February 19, 2007, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: TeeItHigh on February 19, 2007, 10:07:38 AM
DePauw has to be the slight favorite...they are the defending champs and still so until someone beats them.  I still contend that they may be struggling just a little bit,

I haven't posted to this board for a couple of years. I see the same group of die-hard fans are still here. 

I have to agree that DPU is inconsistent. I'd like to submit, though, that we throw out the Centre - DPU game at Danville on Feb. 3. Here's why.
Centre came out in the opening minutes with a VERY physical game. That's OK, DePauw can be physical, too. However, the officiating seemed to be allowing Centre to bang and bump, but not DePauw. Coaches, fans, and parents were screaming at the refs to clean it up or call both ways. That didn't happen. DePauw was taken out of their game by inconsistent calls. That didn't cause the defeat, but it sure contributed to the 32 point margin.

One ref seemed to be looking for a reason to eject Coach Fenlon, but a fan took the bullet and was tossed for calling him a "Bully". Who is this nutty ref that wants silence from the visitors' fans? It turns out that he's a Danville resident. Seems that he's officiated in 7 of the 11 home games at Centre this year. Four of those had technical calls called on the visiting team.

I detect a pattern.... We all know that it's hard to win on the road in this conference. Long bus rides and late nights wear down all players. We also all know that sometimes questionable calls seem to go to the home team. That's true in TX, MS, GA, IN, etc. However, 7 of 11 officiating teams with a hometown resident smacks of ... something.

Come on SCAC, clean up the officiating problem and let the game be settled by the play on the floor.

Having said that, I believe that the tournament is anyone's to win. I for one can't wait for Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 19, 2007, 02:24:41 PM
A very well thought out post from pbrooks3 and it would be hard to argue with much of what he wrote.  If Millsaps plays like they are capable of playing for all three games, then I think they have a good shot at winning the tournament--the problem is that the same could be said about the majority of the teams in the tournament.  

To be honest, I'm not so sure that a team has to rise to a higher level to win this tournament.  It may be enough to just keep from falling victim to the pressure of the tournament.  With the SCAC regular season there was always the fall back of knowing that there was new life for 8 of the 10 teams with the NCAA Tournament bid going to the SCAC Tournament winner.  Now we are in a situation where a loss ends your season (with the exception of the two teams that might get an at-large bid).  

With the pressure factor in mind, I think the picking OU as a potential spoiler might be because of the number of seniors and juniors on the team.  They really didn't have much to play for this past weekend with the 4, 5 and 6 seed all being about the same.  I think they'll be a little more motivated this weekend and it should be an interesting matchup with the size of Trinity vs. the guard play of OU (and OU does have a pretty good big man in the middle).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 19, 2007, 03:27:01 PM
It looks like everyone has to weigh in with their observations/predictions about the upcoming tournament.  Since I did not see every team play, I can't give a truly considered and informed opinion.

There are two things I feel qualified to say however.  First, the field of eight seems to have in store for us all of the makings of the type of games that make the first four rounds of D-I "March Madness" so compelling.  Every game seems to go down to the final minute or so and all of the Cinderella's (both genuine and pretenders) deliver the best they can.  To me this field is very close top to bottom and the hot (and/or lucky) team is going to emerge on top.

Second, having watched Trinity most of the year, It's my belief that they have enough horses to pull it off.  It also is my equal belief that they don't have enough horses to play anything less than their A GAME to pull it off.

I look forward to Basketball, Bar-B-Que, and Blues in Memphis!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 19, 2007, 03:52:32 PM
I'm a little interested in what the Pool C implications might be for this weekend. 

I'm not going to say that DePauw is in no matter what, because I don't know if that's necessarily the case.  They might creep back up into the poll this week.  They were the third team out last week.  They've got a nice QOWI, 15th best in Pat's listing last week.  It sounds like a pretty good case, but I'm not excited about sweating out Selection Sunday if it comes to that.

Centre and anybody else, for that matter, is going to have to win to get in.  Despite Centre being 20-4, they are 53rd in QOWI, and 8th in the region.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 19, 2007, 04:11:19 PM
I remember when the SCAC first went to this conference tournament and there were folks who didn't like the concept, especially the idea that the automatic NCAA bid would go to the tournament winner and not the regular season winner.  I think that time has proven this to be a great plus for the conference and it certainly keeps the interest up and the motivation up for a lot of teams that were out of the conference race at the halfway mark.  It's a shame that the tournament doesn't get bigger crowds but maybe that will come at some point in the future.

DPU3619 had a post while I was typing--as he points out, a really good team from the SCAC can win their way into the NCAA's with an outstanding regular season just as Trinity did last year.  That certainly makes the SCAC Tournament work better because a truly deserving team can win an NCAA bid without having to win the SCAC Tournament.

By the way, they do plan to webcast all of the games this year so that is an option for all of the fans who don't make the trip to Memphis.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2007, 04:59:15 PM
As far as who makes the big III dance, I see several possible scenarios - if the SCAC tournament winner is Millsaps, it's likely DePauw will get the call as well.  It could possibly work the other way - DePauw wins the tournament, and Millsaps goes, too if they're in the final game.  I've displayed my cards before in noting Centre as the tournament winner - I think that's the only way they go to D3.  DePauw, I predict, will go if they advance past the first round of the SCAC. 

 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 19, 2007, 08:17:42 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2007, 04:59:15 PM
It could possibly work the other way - DePauw wins the tournament, and Millsaps goes, too if they're in the final game.
Just my opinion, but I don't find that to be likely.  Millsaps is all the way down at 83rd in QOWI.  They aren't ranked in the region.  They haven't really beaten anybody to boost their schedule strength.  They obviously would have to beat Centre (or SW if my guy d3allstar gets his wish), but I'm not sure that's going to be enough to get them in.  If they made it to Sunday and lost, they'd finish 19-9, which I personally just don't think will be good enough.  However, there will be enough people filing through here (Pat might have some thoughts if makes his way through these parts) who know a whole heckuva lot more about the selection process than I do, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2007, 08:29:29 AM
I have to agree with DPU on the Millsaps chances for an at-large.  The only way they could move up high enough for an at-large would be by beating Centre and DePauw to greatly improve their ranking (but that would make them tournament champs so an at-large bid becomes a moot point). 

DePauw seems to be in regardless but they would certainly help their seeding by winning 3.  Centre might be in if they get to the finals and lose to DePauw.  No one else has much of a shot at an at-large in my opinion but I know there are others around here with more knowledge on the subject.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACAltFan on February 20, 2007, 08:50:23 AM
I fairly new to this board but could someone explain to me how DePauw post-season resume is so much better than Centre's. I saw DePauw is now ranked in the top 25 with Centre getting some votes but if you look at the last several games beginning with Centre defeating DePauw by 33, Centre seems to be taking care of opponents (both DePauw and Centre have played the same teams) much easer than DePauw. Would welcome any feedback on this subject.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2007, 11:34:13 AM
It's a good question about the gap in the ranking between DePauw and Centre.  The two teams should be ranked about the same in my opinion.

They both have 4 losses, 3 to quality teams and 1 to a non-quality team:

Centre lost to:  Maryville(19-6), Millsaps(17-8), DePauw(21-4) and Albion(10-14)
DePauw lost to:  U of Chicago(20-4), Hamilton College(18-6), Centre(20-4) and Sewanee(6-18)

They both were 12-2 in conference against the same opponents.

If there is a difference in the two teams, it comes from the quality of the non-conference wins which I didn't have a chance to study.  If you just go by the games after Christmas, the two teams are even or Centre might appear to be the better team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: SCACAltFan on February 20, 2007, 08:50:23 AM
I fairly new to this board but could someone explain to me how DePauw post-season resume is so much better than Centre's.
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2007, 11:34:13 AM
It's a good question about the gap in the ranking between DePauw and Centre.  The two teams should be ranked about the same in my opinion.

SCACAltFan asks about the "post season resume," and Frank answers about the "gap in the ranking."  The problem is, these are not the same thing at all--in fact, they are unrelated.  For example, SCACAltFan points out margin of victory, and Frank mentions how the teams have done in recent games.  These are relevant factors that the poll voters might consider, but they are entirely irrelevant to the NCAA in their ranking and selection process.  Frank's points about the ranking, including his contention that Centre and DPU should probably be ranked about the same, are valid, but are inapplicable to the selection process.

The NCAA considers five "primary criteria" in determining the regional rankings and at-large bids to the tournament.  Those criteria are
Quote from: 2007 Division III Men's Basketball Handbook, pp 16-17• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• Quality-of-Wins-Index (only contests versus regional competition)
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams
Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/selection process only.
Conference postseason contest(s) is included.
Contest versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.
(For more information on what Quality-of-Wins-Index, or QoWI, is and how it is calculated, please refer to the FAQ section of D3Hoops.com (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament).)

When comparing DePauw and Centre on these five criteria, DPU has a decided edge.
Regional win %: DPU .857 (5th among South Region teams), Centre .778 (9th in the South)
QoWI:  DPU 10.429 (14th best in D3, and second to Miss. Coll. in the South); Centre 9.944 (39th overall, 6th in the south, if I counted right)
Head-to-Head: They split
Common regional opponents: I'm using conference record as a proxy for this, each 12-2.  Someone more interested than I am can compare their schedules.
Results vs. ranked teams:  DPU appears to be 1-1 (vs. Centre), while Centre is 1-2 (vs. DPU and Maryville)

DePauw grades out better in at least three of the five criteria, and appear to be even in the other two.  And DePauw's half-point edge in QoWI is huge.  That, in a nutshell, is why DPU appears to have the better chance at an at-large (i.e. Pool C) bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeItHigh on February 20, 2007, 01:18:33 PM
Let's go back to the officiating thing...are you telling us that Centre beat DePauw because the officials let it get too physical and the calls were too inconsistent, thus favoring Centre.  That the same official as refereed 7 of the 11 games that Centre has played at home, thus giving Centre an edge.  Soooooo, you're also telling me that because of those two factors, we should just throw the game out - not count it...it wasn't fair to DePauw.  Could the outcome of the game been determined because Centre held Schott to zero points and the team to 26% shooting - sorry, forgot that it was because of the inconsistency of the whistle and the unfair physicality of the game with a bias to Centre.  Geez, can we give some credit here to a good basketball team that played well on a given day instead of making some sort of an excuse for DePauw.  I just hope the ref from Danville doesn't call the tournament this weekend...might taint anything that Centre earns.  Would you like some cheese with that "wine"?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACAltFan on February 20, 2007, 01:46:21 PM
It also might be pointed out in looking at the boxscore, it appears there were 20 fouls called on Centre and only 13 on Depauw!! Hmmmmm!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 20, 2007, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: TeeItHigh on February 20, 2007, 01:18:33 PM
Would you like some cheese with that "wine"?

Here's a thought new guy, you could try NOT being a jerk about it.  DePauw's been jobbed by the officials every year they've been down there.  It's part of it.  Time mysteriously disappeared from the clock last year when DePauw just happened to be behind.  The officials put the ball in play as soon as the second horn sounds after a timeout whether or not the visitors are on the floor on two different occasions.  That's the only place I've ever seen something that ridiculous happen.  Guys have a trigger finger to give technicals to the visitors like it's nothing.  Centre's got the best home cookin' in the league.  It's nothing new.  I don't know why you find it to be so shocking.

Now, did DePauw shoot a horrible 26%?  Yup.  Did Stephen Schott score 0 points?  Yup.  Did Centre burn up the nets?  Yup.  Did DePauw not play well at all in any facet of the game?  Sure.  Would Centre have won without your referees living so close to campus that they could walk there?  Quite likely on that day.  Although, I can make a very strong case that last year's outcome in Danville was affected by the officiating.

However, Did Coach Fen get a T for nothing?  Yup.  Did a referee throw out one of our fans who was completely undeserving?  Yup.  Did one of your fans put nacho cheese on DePauw's bench?  They sure did.  Have some class about it, will ya?  Completely unnecessary and rather rude, too.  As much whining and bickering as I had to hear from the Hope fans after DPU's women hosted last year, I would hate to have to listen what they'd say if they went to Centre.  We'd never hear the end of it.

It's not as bad every well else, but that doesn't necessarily make it good.  One of the conference schools had their football clock operator ref a basketball game last year.  That's hardly unbiased.  You can't get around it.  I think it's going to be that way no matter what.  Unless the league brings in officials from an outside area and puts them up in a hotel or something.  That's not a very feasible solution, I know.  It was about the best I could come up with.  DePauw did at least have a Wabash grad on the crew this weekend. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACAltFan on February 20, 2007, 02:18:41 PM
I do not want to come between the two of you but I was only stating the obvious. The fouls were one-sided (in favor of Depauw), Centre did shoot around 52% but they have shot just slightly under 50% all year so I would not call that burning down the nets and finally with respect to Depauw shooting 28% from the field, Centre has been doing that to teams all year in fact I believe they are in the top 5-10 in points allowed and field goal defense in the nation.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeItHigh on February 20, 2007, 03:19:05 PM
WOW!!!!!  I must have struck a nerve!  I didn't realize that Centre had such an advantage with the officials, the game assistants, etc.   

You've asked me to have some "class" regarding the situation...I would ask you to do the same.  Give credit where credit is due, Centre was the better team that day.  I just happened to be at the Centre-DePauw game in December...they've got some pretty good "Beef Stew and Mashed Potatoes" up there as well.   My problem is this...why devalue Centre's victory that day.  It's unnecessary and quite honesty, classless.  The ref's, the game assistants, the fan from DePauw that got thrown out, the nacho cheese incident, etc - none of them cost DePauw the game that day.  They were outplayed in every facet, just like Centre was outplayed when they went to Greencastle in December.  Frankly, it's disrespectful what happened in Danville with the nacho cheese in Fenlon's seat and I'm sure that was handled appropriately by those at Centre.  If not, then shame on them.  However, I also assure you that it's disrespectful to the players and coaching staff at Centre to speculate that their victory in February was "tainted".

I wish everyone the best in Memphis this weekend at the tournament.  This is a very good league with a bunch of good teams and the best team will win come Sunday afternoon.  Hopefully come Sunday night everyone will be able to give credit to the victors and respect to all those involved.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2007, 07:01:26 PM
David Collinge's post is right on.  Centre may be playing better on a more consistent basis at season's end than DePauw, but it isn't going to affect D3 ratings unless the Colonels take charge in the tournament.

Sorry I missed the Danville rematch of the DePauw-Centre.  Interesting to see where  a good rivalry becomes a blood match.  Now I hope to see both of these teams face off in the SCAC finals Sunday; though not have the outcome hinge on a 55' buzzer beater!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CutDownTheNets on February 21, 2007, 12:41:13 PM
Come on about the ref stuff at Centre.   Have you thought for minute how far the refs would travel in this conference to avoid reffing a school close to them.   The opposite is true.  I'm sure they ref geographically as close to their homes as often as they can.   (Think about CO coming into the league next year. )  I bet if you looked into each game every ref is as close to their home as they can be as much as scheduling will allow.   Are there any refs from Indiana that ref Depauw?

Remember Depauw lost by 32 points.  What you are telling me is that two free throws for technical and some physical play accounts for a 32 point loss.  Come on!
Centre had 20 fouls called on them for the game and Depauw had 13.  This accurately reflects the more physical team.   Centre did not get into the bonus in the first half and shot one 1+1 in the second.   Again - this accounts for a 32 point loss?  Depauw the defending champ.   Don't you think a team that is the defending champ of a conference and supposedly favored to win the conference tourney can handle a few bumps in the lane?   You're just whining because you got your tail kicked.   Centre lost by 7 at Depauw.  I don't remember any whining coming from KY.   I'm sure it would be easier to account for a 7 point loss by some bad calls than it would A 32 POINT LOSS!

Let's give the Centre kids some credit.   They play lock down defense and they pride themself in it.    The previous three opponents had been held under 40 points.   Centre waxed Depauw.   Take it like men and move on.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 21, 2007, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: CutDownTheNets on February 21, 2007, 12:41:13 PM
Come on about the ref stuff at Centre.   Have you thought for minute how far the refs would travel in this conference to avoid reffing a school close to them.   The opposite is true.  I'm sure they ref geographically as close to their homes as often as they can.   (Think about CO coming into the league next year. )  I bet if you looked into each game every ref is as close to their home as they can be as much as scheduling will allow.   Are there any refs from Indiana that ref Depauw?


I said my solution wasn't very feasible.  Sorry.  My point wasn't that refs from Kentucky were doing the game, it's refs from Danville.  There's a difference there.  In my mind, it's a clear conflict of interest.  Indiana guys ref the DePauw games, but not DePauw grads or guys who ride their bike to the Lilly Center.

Quote from: CutDownTheNets on February 21, 2007, 12:41:13 PM
Let's give the Centre kids some credit.   They play lock down defense and they pride themself in it.    The previous three opponents had been held under 40 points.   Centre waxed Depauw.   Take it like men and move on.  

Quote from: DPU3619 on February 20, 2007, 01:58:30 PM
Now, did DePauw shoot a horrible 26%?  Yup.  Did Stephen Schott score 0 points?  Yup.  Did Centre burn up the nets?  Yup.  Did DePauw not play well at all in any facet of the game?  Sure.  Would Centre have won without your referees living so close to campus that they could walk there?  Quite likely on that day. 

Apparently, I wasn't clear enough.  DePauw could have gotten every call in the game and still wouldn't have won.  Wouldn't have been that close, either.  I'm not bickering about officiating on February 3rd.  I've been down there three times, and it's been the same three times.

Now stop with your chest thumping.  Jeez Louise.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stripes on February 21, 2007, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: CutDownTheNets on February 21, 2007, 12:41:13 PM
Remember Depauw lost by 32 points.  What you are telling me is that two free throws for technical and some physical play accounts for a 32 point loss.  Centre had 20 fouls called on them for the game and Depauw had 13.  This accurately reflects the more physical team.   
Let's give the Centre kids some credit.   They play lock down defense and they pride themself in it.    The previous three opponents had been held under 40 points.    

1. DePauw got their butts kicked. I give total credit to Centre. They are a very good basketball team. So good that they shouldn't need the services   of a Danville ref in most of their home games. The SCAC should be watching ALL schools to ensure that there's no chance of bias.
2. I believe the physical play is welcomed by DePauw. Just as long as it's allowed on both ends of the floor.
3. Centre's 20 fouls to DPU's 13? The second half progressed with the ratio 8 to 1 on Centre vs DPU. Then the reasoning that CutDownTheNets uses came into play. "Uh-oh, that doesn't look fair. Let's fix that ratio." Maybe it should have been 40 to 13. But it wasn't. They weren't called.
4. I'll repeat: Centre is a very good ball team. I'm not suggesting that the win wasn't deserved but maybe the margin of victory doesn't reflect the actual abilities. Maybe they should have won by 10, or 15, or 20. Any way you slice it, it's a big win for Centre.

Good luck to all teams in this weekend's games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 21, 2007, 02:06:54 PM
I originally said that I thought Centre had to win the whole thing to get in.  I'm starting to think that might not necessarily be the case. 

They've got an awfully slim chance to get that Pool C.  Things are going to have to fall right as far as the favored teams winning other Pool A bids, but with a QoWI at 45 today and a pretty good region winning %, I'm not sure it's a done deal.  We'll have to wait and see how the region rankings change when they come out this afternoon.

If Centre can get to Sunday, that would likely involve a win over Millsaps, which just might nudge that QoWI over 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CutDownTheNets on February 21, 2007, 02:17:07 PM
Where can you find the QoWI listing?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 02:28:11 PM
We have a message board under multi-region topics where I update the QOWI whenever possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 21, 2007, 04:24:48 PM
New region rankings.  DPU up to 4th in the South, Centre moved up one to 7th.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 22, 2007, 11:36:23 AM

I got to see my first d3 basketball game of the year last Sunday, when the Roos were at Trinity.  Some of you might know better than I having seen what you have, but I noticed this:

AC's record speaks for itself unfortunately, so it was expected that they would not impress.  However, TU was very average.  There don't appear to be any real play makers on the floor compared to what I've seen in recent years, and their ball movement just doesn't indicate that the players are all that instinctive.  Maybe the uninspiring opponent had them dragging, but I was very discouraged at the disparity between this year's and last year's team.  I was sort of hoping that Trinity had built a self-sustaining program with the recent success.  I'm very surprised that they weren't able to recruit better.  Someone commented that Trinity might have the horses to win the tournament, but they would have to bring their A game.  That makes me wonder what the rest of the conference looks like.  If there was one thing I did not see on the court for the Tigers, it was horses. 

The rest of you probably know better.  Please, someone tell me I'm wrong. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 22, 2007, 02:18:11 PM
I'm the one that made the "horses" comment regarding Trinity so maybe I should respond to 2698's post.

First, I completely agree that this year's team isn't as good as last year's team.  If my use of the horse metaphor caused you to equate this year's players to the likes of Bates or Burt etc., then I can see why you would draw such a conclusion.  I think it's telling to look at their results and see that from game to game the high scorer changes almost each time and that 6 different names show up.  As I took your comment regarding "horses" it's clear that there isn't one guy who's going to put the team on his back and carry it.  What I was trying to get across is that Trinity has the horsepower (better?) to be a factor in the tournament if they played their A game and only if they play their A game.  I also saw the Austin game on Sunday, and although Trinity was in control from start to finish, I've seen them play better recently and it was these observations that led to the comment.  In the interest of full disclosure I should also say that I also saw them play a completely uninspired game against Hendrix the previous Friday. 

I think this team is "average" as you say.  Their record is perhaps the best indicator of it.  Ironically, their was a point in the season just a few weeks ago where they were .500 in conference, .500 overall and their conference points for and points against were identical.  That may qualify as a definition of "average".  ;)

It has been a different year in San Antonio than you may have become accustomed to in the past.  In prior years, the rotation went 7-8 players deep and these players were almost entirely upperclassmen.  This year's roster has a lot of Sophomores and the rotation regularily extends to the 11th and 12th guys on the bench getting minutes with the game very much in doubt.  Certainly this wide distribution of playing time bodes well for the development of the younger players and the team in the coming years.  It will be intersting to see what Coach C does tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 22, 2007, 03:15:15 PM
Well now.  As if things weren't close enough with all this Pool C stuff, now there's one less Pool C bid to be offered.

That'll at least make things more interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 23, 2007, 04:47:57 PM
Quote from: d3allstar on February 18, 2007, 04:56:23 PM
centre will not beat southwestern.

Southwestern 43
Centre 64

Bold, biased, factually unsupported prediction overboard!  Somebody send out the flotation device.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 23, 2007, 05:03:45 PM

Way, way off topic, but...

Do any of you Jackson folk know what is happening with the King Edward hotel?  With a facility like that in full operation, I might be more inclined to make the three hour drive more often. 

Feel free to email me personally on the topic so that the sports folk don't have to read any rhetoric about historic preservation. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 10:53:05 PM
Congratulations Trinity!  Winners, 50-49 over the Petrels!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2007, 11:50:15 PM
Good action today; no real surprises.  My sleeper, Trinity survived.  Prediction for the final: Centre versus Trinity!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 24, 2007, 12:44:35 AM
I saw the Trinity-Oglethorpe game.  It was an exciting game that went down to the wire.  The low scoring was due to some good interior defense and poor shooting on the part of both teams.  Given that all of the higher seeds won today means that nobody qualifies for a "glass slipper".  As a Trinity fan, I'm hoping that the Cinderella factor kicks in tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 24, 2007, 08:47:56 AM
With the SCAC tournament website, there is no need to post stats on any of the games.  Just a general feeling that I have is that I would prefer to be the team that had the tougher 1st round game rather than the team that had a blowout.  Millsaps was pushed by Hendirx the entire game and they really had to hold up to the pressure down to the end.  I think that helps for today's game--not a whole lot but I'm not sure that there is a whole lot of difference between the final 4 teams.  I expect two great games today.

One general comment about Millsaps and we'll see if it holds true.  Allen Odum is a key piece of the Millsaps team and he missed a lot of action in the last month.  That cost Millsaps at least a tie for the SCAC regular season crown (in my opinion) as he didn't play in the loss to Trinity and he didn't start in the loss to DePauw.  But if they win the tournament this weekend it might very well be because of his recent lack of playing time.  With Allen out of action, Chris Sanders has had to become a scoring option and he has suddenly gone from about 5 points a game to being a leading scorer in 3 of the last 5 games and winning SCAC POTW.  Chad Songy has also step up his game with the increased playing time and I think he is a far more comfortable player on the court now. 

Allen played 32 minutes yesterday and had 15 points and 6 steals.  If he is able to stay at full strength for the rest of the tournament and you add in the improvement made by some of the players over the last few weeks, that just might be enough to get Millsaps a tournament championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 24, 2007, 09:51:17 PM
All-SCAC team announced:

http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/07all-scac.htm (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/07all-scac.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 24, 2007, 10:25:37 PM
YES!

Congrats to Coach Cunningham and the San Antonio Tigers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 24, 2007, 10:40:53 PM

Hooray for Trinity, but shame on DePauw.  19 turnovers?  I'm not saying this to gloat.  That had to be awfully frustratiing for DPU folks, especially the coach, who you know does a better job than that tally indicates.  Should the San Antonio Tigers pull it out on Sunday, I'm sure the Tigers from Greencastle will go much farther in the NCAA tournament.  The loss just means more rest for y'all. 

Still, a heckuva win!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2007, 11:56:05 PM
Centre's stingy defense proved to be the difference with Millsaps as I predicted.  Credit Millsaps in the 2nd half starting off with a tough zone defense that made it near impossible for the Colonels to find a shot anywhere on the court.  A couple of critical shots at crucial times made the difference.

The Tigers of San Antonio did as I predicted as well.  Never ever count out a Pat Cunningham team.

My prediction is the best team will win on Sunday in the final - Centre.  Will be a close defensive game with Centre triumphing by 9 points.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 25, 2007, 12:39:41 AM
Cinderella was in the house!

A few observations from the Trinity - Depauw game.  The game was not as close as the score.  DePauw hit some shots down the stretch that were best characteriszed as desparation.  Without these, it could have easily been a double digit win for Trinity.  Give DePauw credit they didn't and wouldn't go quietly.  Give Trinity the props for hitting their free throws in crunch time.  They played the "A" game I mentioned earlier and got a well deserved win.  They finished with 77 points and the leading scorer had 14.  This was truly a team effort!

To TU:  The turnover differential was due more to tough D on the part of Trinity and less to sloppy play on the part of DePauw.

The clock may strike midnight for Cinderella tomorrow, but for the moment, she's still dancing!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 12:52:52 AM
Trinity did in fact look solid for the 20 minutes I saw.  They still have a chance even though I'm in the Centre court for Sunday's final game.  Thanks to Trinity there is good news for the Colonels; latest ratings have them effectively reversing positions with DePauw in the D3 standings.  Centre is #23 & above the coveted 10 on the ratings.  DePauw has dropped to #37.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 12:58:37 AM
DPU, I would be curious to hear your assessment of the DePauw-Trinity tilt in Memphis.  Was there a problem with the venue or the refs for this one?  I think it was defense that contributed to this loss.  Let us hear from you.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 25, 2007, 02:02:23 AM
First, didn't see the game today so I can't really comment - though I know I'm not the DPU you're looking for, pbrooks. I had to stop in and comment about the All-SCAC selections...

Matt Nestheide? Really? He's the confrence POTY? Seriously? Edrick Montgomery might want to call the Jackson Police Department, because he just got ROBBED. That's one heck of a head-scratcher, I gotta tell ya. I suppose he could go for 35 in the title game tomorrow with that Reggie Miller-esque jumpshot of his and make me look like a fool, but... come on, on what planet is he a better player than Montgomery?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 25, 2007, 03:34:09 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 12:58:37 AM
DPU, I would be curious to hear your assessment of the DePauw-Trinity tilt in Memphis.  Was there a problem with the venue or the refs for this one?  I think it was defense that contributed to this loss.  Let us hear from you.

No problem with either, as far as I could tell.  Thanks for asking, though!

I wasn't there.  I followed the live stats casually while the Indiana game was on (which went just as well).  I do know that even if you shoot 54% from the field, when you turn it over 19 times AND have the opponent make 21 more free throws than you attempted while committing only 5 more fouls... you won't win unless your opponent shoots about 8%.  TU shot better than 8%, in a related story. 

DePauw was in a hole early (12-4 or so if I recall), but rallied to within two.  Near the end of the first half, DPU let Trinity get away to a lead of 8 or 10 or so.  DPU made a nice run to start the second half to get within a bucket, but TU pulled away again.  DePauw was down like 12 or so with 3:00 to go I think, but couldn't get it all back. 

It shows that DePauw turned it over too much.  They had a very nice shooting percentage from the floor even while shooting poorly from 3 with 27 attempts.  Also, a nice advantage in the rebounds.  Can't get the line just 10 times with 19 TO's and win unless you shoot 70%.  Just doesn't work that way. 

WGRE guys made it sound a pretty poorly officiated game on both sides.  They made it out to seem like the Trinity guys thought the calls were just as bad as the DePauw guys did.  I can't really say one way or another since I didn't see it.

The latest QoWI numbers (DPU - @ 38 w/ a 9.87) make me a little more antsy than I was before the game,  especially considering today's upsets elsewhere.  Centre's suddenly in the driver's seat (@23 w/ a 10.200) regardless of tomorrow's outcome.

I actually shared Lefty's sentiments about the POTY voting when I first heard them on WGRE at halftime this evening.  I think Edrick got hosed.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 09:08:32 AM
As far as the MVP goes, apparently DPU and others didn't blog enough on the subject to get Montgomery anointed!  Interesting that 6 coaches saw it differently than you guys.  Austin Brown garnered a vote.  I'm guessing that vote might have come from Centre's coach.  Guard play usually captures coaches' eyes and that's where Centre shines.

I was impressed with Millsap's Montgomery in the 3 games I saw him play this year.  I thought before the Millsaps-Centre game yesterday that he would present a major match-up problem for Centre's John Patterson.  But Patterson played a monster game on defense and really disrupted the inside flow.  The way he either blocked or altered several Montgomery shots was impressive.

OK, DPUs, what happens if Trinity pulls another rabbit today?  You guys be the judge.  Who will be dancing then?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 09:09:45 AM
As far as the MVP goes, apparently DPU and others didn't blog enough on the subject to get Montgomery anointed!  Interesting that 6 coaches saw it differently than you guys.  Austin Brown garnered a vote.  I'm guessing that vote might have come from Centre's coach.  Guard play usually captures coaches' eyes and that's where Centre shines.

I was impressed with Millsap's Montgomery in the 3 games I saw him play this year.  I thought before the Millsaps-Centre game yesterday that he would present a major match-up problem for Centre's John Patterson.  But Patterson played a monster game on defense and really disrupted the inside flow.  The way he either blocked or altered several Montgomery shots was impressive.

OK, DPUs, what happens if Trinity pulls another rabbit today?  You guys be the judge.  Who will be dancing then?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 09:25:36 AM
I do think Matt Nestheide is deserving of the honor.  His balance of stats on the court and tenacity is consistent with the way the Centre team plays.  Nestheide is the kind of player that thinks team first.  He wasn't even around the gym when the honors were announced last night.

One unsung kid on the Centre team who received no recognition at all was Thomas Britt, the smallest player on the court most nights.  He plays 100% all of the time and is the best defender for his size in the conference.  His stat line most nights doesn't look impressive, but he contributes to team wins in so many ways.  He is one heck of offensive rebounder for a 5' 11" player.  Britt, too, is unselfish and the epitome of a team player.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 25, 2007, 09:57:45 AM
As I noted a bit earlier, I saw te Trinity-DePauw game.  The officiating was not a factor IMHO.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 25, 2007, 10:45:42 AM
I have 3 post so I'll make them brief.  On the Millsaps-Centre game, it was 47-46 in favor of Centre with 9:53 to go.  Looking at my photos I see the scoreboard again at 5:48 and the lead is 57-47.  That 10-1 run over 4 minutes is what seperated the teams and after that it was fouls and 3-point shots by Millsaps in an attempt to catch up.

It could be that Millsaps got a little tired at the end of the game and that led to missed shots down the stretch.  Millsaps is not a deep team and they aren't a big team and that may have caught up with them at the end.  All year Millsaps needed one more big player and it is unfortunate that Sandro Norris didn't play this year.  But, they have no seniors this year and they won 18 games after a 4-5 start so it was a pretty good year.

On the other semifinal, I had no preference one way or the other but DePauw is the only team that would probably get an at-large bid so the SCAC now has a good chance to put 2 teams in the tournament.  I think Centre would do the best in the NCAA's because they have the better guard play and they do have a big man in the middle but Trinity has a lot of size and their guards do a good job so both teams make good representatives for the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 25, 2007, 10:55:52 AM
Post #2 regarding player of the year.  I think Edrick Montgomery is a great player and I know he is a really good guy, so I'm glad to see that others think he should have won the player of the year.

However, I've been following the SCAC since the late 90's and the general trend is that the POTY goes to a player on the league winning team, assuming that the team has an outstanding player.  Matt Nestheide is certainly an outstanding player and I have no problems that he won the award in a very close vote.  I suspect that if Millsaps had won over DePauw and/or Trinity in those two close games towards the end of the year then the coaches would have voted Edrick as the POTY. 

As a Millsaps fan, I'd also like to congratulate Rodney Rogan on his 2nd team selection and Allen Odum and Lorenzo Bailey for their honorable mention recognition.  All four of these juniors are really great guys and I hope they and the remaining Millsaps players can bring home an SCAC title next season.  With all of the great underclassmen throughout the league this year, next year should be just as competitive as this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 25, 2007, 11:45:49 AM
And last but not least, I want to give credit where credit is due.

When Millsaps was returning to the visitor's locker room yesterday after their game they passed by the Trinity team that was waiting to take the court.  The Trinity players as a group were very classy in applauding the Millsaps players and congratulating them on a great season and a great effort.  I thought it was a nice show of respect for their fellow SCAC athletes and I was impressed by their actions.

All in all, the athletes in the SCAC are a really good group of young adults.  When the games are being played I certainly want the Millsaps teams to win but I don't see the logic in anyone being negative towards another team in their cheering or in their feelings about players on other teams.  My guess is that I would like at least 85-90% of the basketball players in the SCAC if I got to know them.  The fact that they play somewhere else and I don't get to know them doesn't negate the fact that they are good people.  The SCAC is a great conference and it is the strongest when there is both a spirit of competition and an atmosphere of support between the schools.

Good luck to the SCAC teams in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 25, 2007, 12:17:31 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 09:09:45 AM
OK, DPUs, what happens if Trinity pulls another rabbit today?  You guys be the judge.  Who will be dancing then?

If Trinity wins, I do think all 3 are a possibility.

DePauw's a lot more on the bubble than they've been at any point in the past couple of weeks.  They've still got the good regional record and region win percentage.  I think that should be enough to get them in despite having a host of Pool C contenders right in the same area on the QoWI.  Pat Coleman also has DePauw in with his field projections.

If Centre loses today, I run a new QoWI index of 209/21 for a 9.952.  That would put them about 32nd or so.  Their region record would be 16-5, which is also pretty good, but the RWP isn't as good as DePauw's (.762 w/ a loss today).  I still think that's a pretty good case to get in... better than DePauw's.  I'll be pulling for Centre today, because if Trinity wins, Centre will take one DePauw's potential Pool C bids. 

Interesting to see that he moved Centre to the Great Lakes and left DePauw in the south.

I'll be a lot more antsy about the whole thing if Trinity wins today.  That might leave DePauw outsde.  It's going to be pretty close.  Ought to be an interesting Sunday afternoon even if nobody cashes in a 60 footer at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 25, 2007, 05:25:28 PM
Congrats to Coach Mason and Centre.  They played the best ball of anybody in the last month including the tourney.  They'll play well next weekend, I think.

Pat has DPU as the last team in.  I'll keep those fingers crossed.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 25, 2007, 07:36:10 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity Basketball vs. Millsaps)


frank,
You failed to mention that Trinity won all four of their games against Millsaps this basketball season; two Men's games and two Women's games.  This kind of sweep is never/ever an easy task, but I do certainly agree with you that both teams have a lot of classy student-athletes and just the type of young adults that we all can be very proud of. I am now going to have my blood glucose level checked; I think it may be running a bit "sweet". Just a health suggestion?

                                                                           :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 08:54:09 PM
Kudos to Pat Cunningham and his Tigers.  They gave an excellent accounting and just ran up against a better team in Centre today.  The Colonels were extremely team-oriented in their approach & performance in winning the SCAC tournament.  Nestheide really showed his stuff with eight 3's and played a wonderful offensive game.  Good luck to the Colonels as they move on.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 10:42:52 PM
Congrats DPU.  You're dancing!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stripes on February 25, 2007, 11:13:09 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 10:42:52 PM
Congrats DPU.  You're dancing!

Ditto to just about all of the previous posts. The officiating was so-so in Memphis, but favored no single team. That's OK. Trinity is a good team with a great coach. Pat's team just outplayed DPU and took the game. DePauw wasn't ready to play and (I think) was looking beyond Trinity to Centre. Big mistake.

Milsaps: This is the team to beat next year. They're fun to watch and as athletic as any team I've seen in the SCAC. Being young, this just wasn't their year. But look out next year.

DePauw is dancing because of their play earlier in the year. If that team shows up, they're hard to beat. If the other DPU team takes the floor, it's up for grabs. I like their odds against any team that hasn't seen them play before.  This is a schizo team. No apologies or excuses. They can be great or they can stink it up. They just need to decide to be great.

Centre: They're the best in the conference, that's not under dispute. I'm very impressed with their team play, skills, and coaching. Can their fans find a way to support their team without chants that malign a player as a person? Show us some class.... The team and coaching staff bring their best to every game. It detracts from that when we see the kind of warped fan support that Centre seems to feel is necessary. Not every call against Centre is wrong.

We've come a long way in a few years in getting 2 teams from the SCAC in the tourney. Congrats to Centre and DePauw. Best of luck to both.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2007, 11:31:33 PM
1st teamer York is a good player.  However, several of his offensive moves were flops that turned into Centre fouls.  That combined with an abundance of Centre supporters resulted in the harangues against Trinity during the game that ticked you off.  I hope Centre has that kind of support during the D3 action ahead! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeItHigh on February 26, 2007, 12:42:32 AM
Montgomery hosed for player of the year???  After the weekend of basketball that I witnessed from Matt Nestheide from Centre, he should feel hosed that he was not picked by all the other coaches in the league!  He was absolutely brilliant this weekend!  31 points today including 55 footer at the end of the first half to put Centre back up 12 (this following a 7-0 run by Trinity to cut it to nine).  He went 6 of 7 from the three point line on Friday versus Southwestern, in the first half!  He is no question the Most Outstanding Player in this league, as no other player is more valuable to their team than he is to his. 

Congrats to DePauw for making the NCAA's and to Trinity for getting to the finals.  Congratulations also to all the teams for a great weekend of basketball!  Now we wait for the pairings...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 26, 2007, 07:11:46 AM
Quote from: etg on February 25, 2007, 07:36:10 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity Basketball vs. Millsaps)


frank,
You failed to mention that Trinity won all four of their games against Millsaps this basketball season; two Men's games and two Women's games. 
                                                                           :)

Did you really need to bring that up? :)  I guess it was good for Trinity to sweep after the results of the football season. :) :)

But for a more serious reply to your comment, Millsaps lost to Trinity(twice), DePauw, and Centre this year and I think the one common thing there is the size of those 3 teams.  Edrick Montgomery is better suited to play the 4 and Rodney Rogan would do great at the 3 spot but they have to serve as our two big men.  That works against most teams but it doesn't work as well against the really big teams.  If Millsaps could find a player for the 5 spot next year (maybe a juco player) to move Montgomery and Rogan to their natural positions then I think Millsaps could have their best team ever next year.

As for the women, we have a long way to go to catch up with the league but our coach shouldn't be judged by her first season.  Our last coach left last May or June and the new coach was hired in the summer.  There was very little experience among the returning players and no chance to recruit new players.  In a lot of ways it was like the situation Coach Wise inherited with the men's team a few years ago and I hope the women's team can move up the ranks just as the men have done in the last few years.

And just a quick response to TeeItHigh--as I said before, I have no problem with Matt Nestheide winning player of the year and he was great this weekend but don't think that Edrick Montgomery was anything less of a player or was any less valuable to the Millsaps team.  There are many very good players in this league and the pool of talent is getting deeper every season.  With so many underclassmen on the 3 All-SCAC teams, I think the competition for POTY next year will be full of legitimate contenders.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2007, 11:17:56 AM
RE: frank_ezelle's note on Mr. Montgomery, TeeItHigh isn't dissing him as a most valuable player to his team, he's simply saying Nestheide earned his stripes as POTY.  I agree with Tee on this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 26, 2007, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: TeeItHigh on February 26, 2007, 12:42:32 AM
Montgomery hosed for player of the year???  After the weekend of basketball that I witnessed from Matt Nestheide from Centre, he should feel hosed that he was not picked by all the other coaches in the league!  He was absolutely brilliant this weekend!  31 points today including 55 footer at the end of the first half to put Centre back up 12 (this following a 7-0 run by Trinity to cut it to nine). 

I obviously said that...before that happened...

Your folks' thoughts on going to Wooster?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 26, 2007, 12:31:54 PM
There's not really isn't much of a disagreement here on POTY.  As I posted on Saturday, I think Matt got the award because Centre tied for the top in the regular season and I think Edrick would have gotten the award if Millsaps had won the regular season.  Both are great players and my only point is that both are great players.  TeeItHigh was basically indicating that it was a no-brainer to pick Matt over Edrick and I would disagree with that.

On the point of Matt having a great tournament, that goes without dispute.  His game yesterday was almost as good as the game Edrick played last year when matched up head-to-head with 2006 POTY Reggie Magnusson.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 26, 2007, 12:43:13 PM
I left Memphis right after the game ended yesterday to make the long drive back to Texas so I haven't had a chance to weigh in on the final game.

First of all Centre played an extraordinary game and deserved the victory without question.  They clearly were the better team.  I hope they continue to play this well in the NCAA.  If they do, they should acquit themseleves well and represent the SCAC admirably.  CONGRATULATIONS!

The game may have been epitomized by the very first possession.  Centre won the tip and went to work against the Trinity zone.  This was the same zone that gave Depauw such trouble the night before.  The Tigers were working extremely hard on defense and showing the same grit as the night before.  Matt Jacobson hit a contested 3-pointer as the shot clock sounded.  This happened at least 3 times in the game not counting the desparation shot at the half time buzzer.  

Although the disappointment runs deep at Trinity, they have to feel pretty good about the way the team developed over the year.  Credit has to be given to Coach C and his staff for getting the team to play its best basketball at just the right time.

As I mentioned a number of times here, a large number of young players saw significant playing time throughout the year and made substantial contributions.  They will lose only 3 players to graduation so it's my opinion that the program is in pretty good shape after all!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2007, 01:16:45 PM
On DPU's question, Centre has to be a bit disappointed, but not overly so.  This is their first trip in some time.  Without much knowledge on the subject, Wooster must have got the nod based on in-region performance versus Centre's.  Centre's overall rating and rank were higher.  Their loss to Albion earlier in the season probably hurt, too.  The Colonels will be ready to travel.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TeeItHigh on February 26, 2007, 05:18:30 PM
This year, this season, Matt Nestheide was no doubt the Player of the Year.  He was the most valuable player on a team that tied for the conference regular season title and led his team to a 23-4 record, including winning 19 of 20 games to finish the year.  Is Montgomery a good player?  Yes, and he may even be more talented than Nestheide or any other player in the conference.  Does that make him this year's most outstanding player?  No.  Millsaps has everyone back and should be a force in the conference next year.  If they win or share the conference title and he has the same year that he had this year, then by all means he should be player of the year...next year.  I'm taking nothing away from Montgomery...he's a heck of a player.  I'm just trying to make sure that we give Matt Nestheide the props that he deserves...and he did what great players do, he backed up the voters by his performance over the weekend.  Montgomery wasn't hosed...he got some votes and finished on a third place team, meaning that he was given some respect by the coaches.  Had Nestheide not been named MOP, then that would have been a far worse crime, in my humble opinion. 

Tough draw for Centre, having to go to Wooster...but I agree with pbrooks3 on this one.  They will take this stride and get ready for Capital on Friday night.  What does everyone think about DePauw's draw? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 26, 2007, 05:38:26 PM
Quote from: TeeItHigh on February 26, 2007, 05:18:30 PM

Tough draw for Centre, having to go to Wooster...but I agree with pbrooks3 on this one.  They will take this stride and get ready for Capital on Friday night.  What does everyone think about DePauw's draw? 

I'm not trying to start the argument on whether the best player in the conference or the best player on the best team should be the winner.  We went over that a couple years back.  I would have voted for Montgomery.  I do see your point, but it's just my opinion.  Nestheide promptly put me to shame by dropping 31 on TU on Sunday.  Let's put it to bed.

As far as DePauw's draw, I was a little afraid that they were the ones that might end up going to Wooster.  DePauw was a definite bubble team, and I figured they'd be prompty rewarded for that by being sent to someplace like Wooster, Chicago, or Hope.   They seemed like the best team that was anywhere close to Greencastle.

I don't know a darned thing about Whitworth other than they're from Spokane.  They've got a pretty good record (22-3), which tells me that it won't be an easy one.  They don't seem to be very easy once you get to this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucs77 on February 26, 2007, 06:09:58 PM
23-3, Whitworth won their league tournament.  Our mascot is a pirate or buccaneer sp? 
Don't want to give too much away.  haha ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2007, 06:49:07 PM
Now that we've covered DePauw; what does anyone know about Capital in Columbus and their 19-9 record?  Wooster will seem more like a home game to them than for Centre.  I am comfortable with knowing that the Colonels will play solid defense and maintain the team-oriented approach to basketball that has made them winners all season!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2007, 08:10:20 PM
watch out for Maryville (TN.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2007, 09:40:46 PM
Centre has moved up #23 in this week's Top 25 poll.  Wooster is #2; Depauw is out.  Several well-know schools from the 25 aren't in the D3 tourney - UW-Oshkosh & UW-LaCrosse.

Here are the 25:

Week 13 men's poll About the Top 25

# Team W-L Pts. Last Week
1 UW-Stevens Point (24) 25-2 624 1
2 Wooster  25-3 589 4
3 Mississippi College  25-2 538 5
4 Virginia Wesleyan  23-4 527 2
5 St. Thomas  24-3 524 6
6 Amherst (1) 25-2 500 3
7 Augustana  22-5 494 9
8 Washington U.  20-4 443 12
9 UW-Oshkosh  21-6 384 7
10 Hope  23-4 361 8
11 Whitworth  23-3 343 16
12 Chicago  20-5 327 11
13 Elmhurst  21-6 288 14
14 Aurora  25-2 281 15
15 Occidental  19-5 246 19
16 UW-La Crosse  19-8 238 18
17 Wittenberg  22-5 223 10
18 Worcester Polytech  22-3 199 13
19 Guilford  21-4 112 17
20 Trinity (Conn.)  21-4 103 20
21 Rhode Island College  24-3 99 —
22 Salem State  24-2 78 —
23 Centre  23-4 64 —
24 New York University  19-6 60 21
25 John Carroll  19-9 59 —

Dropped out: No. 22 DePauw, No. 23 Puget Sound, No. 24 Ohio Northern, No. 25 Mary Hardin-Baylor

Others receiving votes: Lake Erie 47, Brandeis 45, Mary Hardin-Baylor 43, Rochester 41, DePauw 37, Capital 36, Johns Hopkins 36, Wheaton (Ill.) 31, Ohio Northern 25, Ramapo 16, Puget Sound 15, Averett 8, Williams 7, Calvin 6, North Central 6, Keene State 5, Lewis and Clark 5, Catholic 4, UW-Whitewater 4, St. John's 3, Transylvania 1.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2007, 10:01:48 PM
Centre fans should look at the posts under the Great Lakes Region with subheading NCAC (North Coast Athletic Conference).  Look at posts on the next to the last page.  There is limited knowledge about the Colonels from the followers of this league.  Wooster is very familiar with Transy from an NCAA loss to them last year.  Most of the Wooster fans think Capital and Wooster are the teams to watch!  Those are fighting words in KY!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 26, 2007, 10:23:38 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2007, 10:01:48 PM
Centre fans should look at the posts under the Great Lakes Region with subheading NCAC (North Coast Athletic Conference).  Look at posts on the next to the last page.  There is limited knowledge about the Colonels from the followers of this league.  Wooster is very familiar with Transy from an NCAA loss to them last year.  Most of the Wooster fans think Capital and Wooster are the teams to watch! Those are fighting words in KY!


Here's some examples of those "fighting words:"
Quote from: ScotsFanAnd then Wooster gets the winner of the Cap v. Centre matchup.  I would expect Cap to win that one, but Centre has been on quite a roll here to close out the season having not lost since January 26th.  They have won their last 9 games of the season by an average of just over 20 ppg including a 32 point drubbing of Pool C selection DePauw.  So, if Wooster can get past Transy, the winner of the Cap-Centre game will be IMHO a far tougher opponent than JCU will be facing in LEC.
Quote from: smedindyActually, I think Centre is underrated and could beat Capital.
Quote from: cmhscotsI don't know much about Centre - just what I could glean from their stats - but they look like they could be pretty tough on the defensive end.  Their opponents are only shooting 38% from the floor and only 29% from beyond the arc.  Kind of Wittenberg-like numbers!  I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them playing Wooster on Saturday night.

It's true that we don't know much about Centre, and it's true that we think Wooster is a "team to watch" (duh), but to suggest that we disrespect Centre is both incorrect and disingenuous.  Wooster fans have known enough tournament failure not to take anyone lightly, especially a team with as impressive a record as Centre in as strong a conference as the SCAC.  I hope to see many Centre fans in Timken Gymnasium on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2007, 10:41:47 PM
I have obviously ticked off an NCAC and Wooster supporter.  There is no disrespect in my words I share with the SCAC crowd.  Simply pointing out that folks in the NCAC would like to learn more about the Colonels. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 26, 2007, 11:28:39 PM
Fair enough :), and yes we would like to know more about the Colonels.  Please feel free to come to our room and share.  If you would like information on Wooster, I'm sure there's a number of the many Wooster posters who'd be happy to talk up the accomplishments of their team.  But good luck finding out any first-hand info on Capital, as they have no regular posters on the hoops side of the house.  There are a handful of Wooster fans who have see the Crusaders and might be persuaded to give you a scouting report.

A quick and dirty on Wooster is that they play an up-tempo style and shoot the ball extremely well.   On the year, the Scots are averaging 89.4 ppg on 52% FG shooting (41.7% from the arc.)  Wooster is not terribly tall, starting 6'6", 6'5", 6'3" along the front line with a 6'6" post player and two 6'8" frosh in reserve, but the post players have excellent moves in the paint and tend to play much larger than their size suggests.  Wooster has two legitimate All-American candidates in 6'0" junior guard James Cooper (first-team preseason D3Hoops.com All-American, 18.4 ppg, 53.2% shooter including 45% from the arc) and 6'5" senior wing Tom Port (4th team D3Hoops.com All-American last season, 16.7 ppg and 6.5 rpg, with shooting averages slightly better than Cooper's.)  The basic rotation is 8 men, but three frosh (including the two big men I mentioned above) have played well when needed.

Here's a link to our men's basketball page (http://athletics.wooster.edu/mb/default.php), which probably tells you more than you ever wanted to know.  One other factor is that Wooster plays in a very large gym (cap. 3400) and draws crowds that are annually among the top handful of teams in D3.  It's a tough and loud environment, but plenty of room for as many Colonel fans as want to make the trip, so make your plans and come on up to scenic Wayne County for the weekend!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACAltFan on February 27, 2007, 09:27:33 AM
Just wanted to put my two cents in on POTY. I think the POTY should not only commend a player for his play on the court but also the way he handles himself on the court and off. On the court I have never seen Nestheide argue with a ref over a call or no-call or talk back to his coach. Not seeing Montgomery play all year, I know I am not an expert but the few times I have seen him play, I have seen him argue with refs (resulting in a tech. foul in the Hendrix game) and defy his coach when he came to the bench. Nestheide also was chosen to be on the Dist 4 All-Academic team but once again I cannot comment on Montgomery.

I guess what I am trying to point out Matt Nestheide represents the SCAC conference in a positive way in everything he does. once again I am not so sure about Montgomery. 

Woule welcome any comments.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 27, 2007, 01:03:45 PM
I don't want to let that comment go unanswered but I also don't want to get off on a tangent when the focus should be on the NCAA Tournament.

Take a player in the league, pick his worst moment of the season, tell it with a negative spin, and I think that just about all of the players would come out sounding pretty bad.  That's probably true about Nestheide as well as every other highly competitive athlete in college sports but that's would be a very unfair way to judge a person. 

You seem to have a general negative attitude about Montgomery and you are welcome to your opinion.  You seem to imply that he might not be up to the normal academic standards of an SCAC student--is there any particular reason for this and is it possible that you question the academic abilities of all of the Millsaps starters?

It seems to me that this post is just as much or more about putting down Montgomery as it is about commending Nestheide.  It's a shame that you felt compelled to take the low road on a subject that has already become old news.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on February 27, 2007, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2007, 06:49:07 PM
Now that we've covered DePauw; what does anyone know about Capital in Columbus and their 19-9 record?  Wooster will seem more like a home game to them than for Centre.  I am comfortable with knowing that the Colonels will play solid defense and maintain the team-oriented approach to basketball that has made them winners all season!


Hi SCAC room,

I've seen the Crusaders four times this year, all relatively recently.  Capital hasn't been to the NCAA tournament in 11 years; this fact coupled with playing their first round game within driving range may draw many Crusader supporters to Wooster.  However, they were unable to draw even a full section of fans to watch them take on cross-town rival Otterbein College, so I'm not sure how well their fan base travels.

That's a shame, really, because said fans have had a lot to cheer for from this year's squad.  Capital sports a varied attack with varied personnel.  10 players average over 10 mpg, and only leading scorer Nate Stahl (14.2 ppg) averages above 30 minutes per contest.  Stahl anchors the guard attack; he leads all of Division III with 52% shooting from distance.  Two others also shoot around 40% from 3.  Steve Kyser anchors the inside attack, with 12.9 ppg and 5.1 boards.  I've also been impressed with the Quintin Mitchell in the post.  Capital likes to move the ball quickly upcourt, which several times has disoriented the defense enough to find Stahl or another shooter for a quick 3.

Defensively, Capital likes to put a lot of pressure on guards out front.  Brian Alge and Ryan Wood tend to draw the opponent's best.  Alge in particular will hound a guard all over the court, denying passes all the way out near the mid-court line.  Cap's rotation helps them be able to put forth tons of effort, since a fresher body is always available on the bench.

Weaknesses?  An off-night shooting could sink Capital.  I've seen them take over games via the 3- including a memorable 21-7 run that featured 6 straight 3 pointers in their OAC quarterfinal victory.  To shut down Stahl you have to mark him all over the court- but it's easier to do that than it is to shut down Wooster's attack, say.  (Stahl is Cap's only exceptional shooter; Wooster has 3- Port, Cooper, and Devin Fulk who all are above 45% from 3).  Also, Capital could be hurt by a team with an exceptional post- Cap essentially had no answer (other than to just outscore him) to John Carroll's Brandon Mimes, who logged 34 pts. and 8 boards in the OAC final against them.

Capital is alreadly riding something of a mini-cinderella run.  They weren't supposed to be the winners of the OAC anything this year- the preseaon OAC poll had them fifth in the conference.  One other bit of bad news for you Centre fans- curiously this year, Capital has gone 3-1 vs. teams ranked in the d3hoops Top 25 at the time Cap played them.  That includes two victories over ONU (as #2 and #19), Baldwin-Wallace (#13), and a double OT loss to #10 Wittenberg.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 01:51:47 PM
From the College of Wooster website:

» NCAA Div. III Tournament Ticket Information: There will be a pre-sale at Wooster's Physical Education Center Wednesday from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m., and Thursday also from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. as well as 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. On Friday, tickets will go on sale starting at noon, and the gates open at 4 p.m. Tickets are $6 for adults and $3 for all students. One ticket is good for both games on Friday.

I do not know what arrangements, if any, have been made for pre-sale tickets at Centre.

Capital plays Centre at 6pm, with the Wooster/Transylvania game to follow 30 mins. after the first game ends, not before 8pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACAltFan on February 27, 2007, 02:01:12 PM
There will be no pre-sale tickets at Centre. Tickets can be purchased starting at 4:00 day of the game. I was told it shouldn't be a problem getting a ticket.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 27, 2007, 02:05:53 PM
Quote from: SCACAltFan on February 27, 2007, 02:01:12 PM
There will be no pre-sale tickets at Centre. Tickets can be purchased starting at 4:00 day of the game. I was told it shouldn't be a problem getting a ticket.

It won't be a problem getting a ticket (capacity is 3400), but tickets go on sale Friday at noon, not 4pm, as I posted above.  And I'm quite sure that tickets for Saturday's game will be sold immediately after Friday's game concludes, although I'd encourage those of you who are traveling to go ahead and plan to stay for Saturday's game, win or lose.  It's likely to be a great game, no matter who's in it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACAltFan on February 27, 2007, 02:09:08 PM
I was just letting Centre fans know. They will probably not start arriving until around 4:00.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACAltFan on February 27, 2007, 06:16:52 PM
Wow, didn't mean to open a negative outlook on Montgomery and all of the Milsap's players which if you read the my earlier posting I didn't even refer to.

But since you did bring up the academic standards of the Milsaps players which I did not and really do not care, I believe the Centre basketball team has a higer combined GPA than the average at the college and anyone that knows anything about the academics at Centre, that is a very commendable acheivement. Maybe you could share the academic achievements of the Milsaps players, I'm sure other parties would be interested. After all I have always been told that the SCAC is academics first, and athletics second.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 27, 2007, 06:53:27 PM
Quote from: SCACAltFan on February 27, 2007, 09:27:33 AM
Nestheide also was chosen to be on the Dist 4 All-Academic team but once again I cannot comment on Montgomery.

I guess what I am trying to point out Matt Nestheide represents the SCAC conference in a positive way in everything he does. once again I am not so sure about Montgomery. 

Woule welcome any comments.


Let's see, you didn't mean to open a negative outlook on Montgomery.  You remind me of a former brother-in-law who never would say anything directly, he would just say things in a way that implied something.  That way he could say negative things and then deny that he was saying anything negative.  He was very good at it but he still was a jerk if you get what I'm implying.

When you say "Maybe you could share the academic achievements of the Millsaps players, I'm sure other parties would be interested", I think it is quite obvious what you are implying--namely that Millsaps has players who aren't up to the academic standards of the SCAC because they are black.  You'll deny that you are saying that but why else would you think that anyone else would be interested in the grades of the Millsaps players?

I certainly hope you aren't typical of the Centre fans or the Centre student body.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACAltFan on February 27, 2007, 09:29:48 PM
     First off, this is a post to make personal comments which i believe is what i have accomplished. Second, i sympathize with having a brother-in-law that is indirect, i know many like that however, i never implied or directly stated anything about Milsaps poor (if that is the case) academics or the fact that they are all black. In my personal opinion that has nothing to do with academics or athletic ability. You indirectly implied that statement.
     The other parties stated are just common people like myself that know nothing about other colleges academics. The instinctive backlash or defensive nature of your last response tells that you may have some of those comments yourself. A better defense would be to tell of Milsaps great achivements in academics rather than accuse me of negativity towards a college i've admitted of knowing nothing about.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2007, 09:53:59 PM
SCACAltFan & Frank_Ezelle, let's get back to basketball and away from academics.  One of the truths I have observed about all SCAC schools is that student-athletes across the spectrum of schools in the league are impressive in the way they balance their schedules with so little recognition for their achievements.  Long bus rides, limited fan support and rigorous schedules make for kids who obviously love the game of basketball!  Montgomery, Nestheide, A. Brown, Rogan, York and many others all create positive vibes for me!

Call it a truce guys.  The Centre troops need to get ready for Friday night; not concern themselves with who is the best player any longer; the coaches decided that.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2007, 10:02:41 PM
Scotsbrod, thanks for the insights on Capital.  Think Friday's clash between Capital & Centre should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 27, 2007, 10:48:57 PM
Quote from: SCACAltFan on February 27, 2007, 09:29:48 PM
 The other parties stated are just common people like myself that know nothing about other colleges academics.

You better be awfully darn sure about that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2007, 10:59:44 PM
DPU, how are you feeling about DePauw's chances in St Louis at Wash U?  WU's conference seems pretty tough with four teams in the tournament.  You had your wakeup call against Trinity; I'm betting the Tigers will be ready to play.  Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 28, 2007, 12:48:21 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2007, 10:59:44 PM
DPU, how are you feeling about DePauw's chances in St Louis at Wash U?  WU's conference seems pretty tough with four teams in the tournament.  You had your wakeup call against Trinity; I'm betting the Tigers will be ready to play.  Good luck!

Well, when this DePauw team plays at their best, there aren't many folks that beat 'em.  If Schott & McDonald can get rolling, Moore, Sakel, and Werentz can hit a few 3's, and they don't turn it over, they're going to have an awfully good shot at Whitworth.  I gather the NWC is a pretty good conference, and to get out of it on top is a darned good day at the office.

Just depends if you see the team you saw on Saturday & @ Sewanee earlier this year, or if you see the team that beat Centre in Greencastle and put together that 2nd half in Jackson.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 02:50:20 AM
Quote from: SCACAltFan on February 27, 2007, 02:09:08 PM
I was just letting Centre fans know. They will probably not start arriving until around 4:00.

Especially if you tell them that's when tickets go on sale. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACAltFan on February 28, 2007, 08:44:44 AM
Truce called. I never meant to degrade or lower the abilities of the Milsaps players in the classroom.

Now back to the Tourney. How far does anyone think Centre can go if they continue to play defense like they have. I saw what I thought was a good Transy team goto the final 8? last year. Can Centre make it out of Wooster with two wins?

I think all SCAC fans hope that is the case.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 28, 2007, 08:51:34 AM
SCACAltFan posted while I was typing and we are in agreement on a truce regarding the subject. 

On another subject that might interest some people, I have photos posted of Millsaps basketball vs. every team in the SCAC except Austin (they didn't come to Millsaps this year).  Obviously I focus on making Millsaps look good but there are some good photos of the other teams.  For anyone who is interested, here's the link:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/Basketball--Mens--2006-07/

(One note about printing:  I know nothing about the printing option offered by Photobucket.  Most people who want to print a photo just right click on the full size photo and save the photo to their computer.  Then they can email the photo, print it, etc.  I don't know how well the prints come out on these since the file size is about 2% of the original file size, but I think they do okay on 4x6 prints.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on February 28, 2007, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on February 28, 2007, 12:48:21 AM
Just depends if you see the team you saw on Saturday & @ Sewanee earlier this year, or if you see the team that beat Centre in Greencastle and put together that 2nd half in Jackson.
Or perhaps the team that needed a desperation 3 at the buzzer to win at Kenyon? ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 28, 2007, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 28, 2007, 11:48:22 AM
Or perhaps the team that needed a desperation 3 at the buzzer to win at Kenyon? ::)

Hitting a three at the buzzer from the proper side of the half court line is not desperation, friend. 

DePauw knows a thing or two about those, and that wasn't one.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2007, 10:00:46 PM
Yea, Centre nearly had back-to-back halftime 55' shots in the tournament.  T. C. Thomasen threw one in during the semis against Millsaps, but it was fraction of a second late.  Of course, Nestheide made his the next afternoon in the finals against Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2007, 11:15:27 PM
At least one GSAC fan also hopes Centre gets two wins in Ohio.  I always want teams Maryville has beaten to do well in the tournament!  Maryville's coach Lambert said after that game a long time ago that Centre would win at least 20 games, so they were good then and seem to have gotten better. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 01, 2007, 10:02:03 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on February 28, 2007, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: ScotsFan on February 28, 2007, 11:48:22 AM
Or perhaps the team that needed a desperation 3 at the buzzer to win at Kenyon? ::)

Hitting a three at the buzzer from the proper side of the half court line is not desperation, friend. 

DePauw knows a thing or two about those, and that wasn't one.   :D

OK, I'll give you that it wasn't desperation in comparison to that shot that made Sportscenter. 8)  I was just making the point that you could probably include that Kenyon game in with some of DePauw's lesser efforts on the season even though it was a win.  Needing a trey at the buzzer to beat Kenyon isn't exactly the stuff of legends.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 06:30:52 PM
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Would someone here be willing to do one for Centre and DePauw there? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 12:51:32 AM
Centre played one good half of basketball tonight, but it was more than enough to beat a lackluster Capital University 69-55 tonight.  Both teams looked pretty bad in the first half, which may be due in part to Matt Nestheide leaving with a facial injury at about the 7:00 minute mark.  At first I thought it was a broken nose, but he came back and played the second half without a mask, scoring 12 second-half points as Centre ran away from Capital.  I assume Nestheide is good to go tomorrow. 

Here's a link to Centre's recap and box score. (http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/news/0607/news_capital_tourn_07.htm)

Here's a link to Wooster's recap (http://athletics.wooster.edu/mb/news/2006-07/ncaa/default.php), which also includes a recap of Wooster's 92-66 thrashing of Transylvania.

Centre brought a pretty decent crowd tonight, which was good to see.  It should be a good game tomorrow; good luck to the Colonels.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2007, 01:12:49 AM
Yea, Centre got through a physical game tonight that they played without their star, Nestheide, for most of the first half.  Several key guards stepped up big tonight, particularly Thomas Britt, who knocked down five 3's and a game high 19 points.  The Colonels will definitely have a tough matchup Saturday night with the host team.  Wooster demonstrated in their thrashing of Transy just how good they are.  This next round is clearly matching the best offense and against the best defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Stripes on March 03, 2007, 01:49:57 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2007, 01:12:49 AM
Yea, Centre got through a physical game tonight that they played without their star, Nestheide, for most of the first half. 

Actually, their best resource in a physical game is Scot Bottoms.

Good luck to a great Centre team....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WooMix on March 03, 2007, 08:32:40 PM
Final from Timken Gymnasium:

Wooster 73 - 56 Centre


For a team highly touted as a defense stalwart, I expected better.  This game was essentially over by halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 03, 2007, 09:45:23 PM
Congratulations to Centre on a great season, and on having a great group of fans who traveled all the way to rural north central Ohio to support their team.  Unfortunately, you ran into a pretty good team playing about as well as they have all season at both ends of the court, but that shouldn't diminish your team's great accomplishments this year.  Your team played well and represented Centre College very admirably.  Congratulations!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 03, 2007, 10:22:12 PM
Congratulations to the Centre Colonels on a terrific season!

Centre played great defense tonight against a potent Wooster offense and held the Scots below their usual scoring average.  Wooster's defense was also excellent and that factor resulted in the Scots getting the win.

Centre was led tonight by Matt Jacobson with 20 points, Matt Nestheide with 12 points and John Patterson with 10 points (couple of dunks).

Congratulations also to Centre seniors John Patterson, Matt Jacobson, Kyle Christopher and Stuart Rutledge on fine collegiate careers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2007, 11:45:08 PM
Centre fans appreciate the kind words about the team and its performance tonight.  We hope to be back next year competing hard again in the NCAA Tournament.  Tonight, the Colonels simply ran up against a superior team in the College of Wooster.  Congratulations to Wooster!  I was very impressed with the Wooster squad all the way through the lineup.  When Centre shut down the primary scoring options, the Scots didn't miss a beat with their secondary guys.  Very impressive on the offensive end.  What most impressed me however was the Wooster D.  The Scots earned their stripes on the defensive side of the ball as far as I am concerned.  This is also what makes them a great team that gives them a chance to get to the final four.  Good luck!
:)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACAltFan on March 03, 2007, 11:45:54 PM
To WooMix, show some respect. Wooster is a very,very good D3 team which could win it all. It was both a honor and privilege to play such a talented and well-coached team as Wooster's. It's fans like you which give schools a bad name.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 04, 2007, 12:57:46 AM
As a Wooster fan, let me join in the congratulations on a fine season for your Colonels!  I was appreciative of your fans and your team- it looks like you have a fine program at Centre, and you put forth two pretty good efforts in Wooster.  I sat in the midst of your fanbase during your win over Capital, and felt that you all conducted yourself with class.  Nice to have you up to Wooster- and take heart, with any luck, you'll be able to say you lost the eventual national champions this year!  <Prays he didn't jinx it.>   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 04, 2007, 08:52:45 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2007, 11:45:08 PM
Centre fans appreciate the kind words about the team and its performance tonight.  We hope to be back next year competing hard again in the NCAA Tournament.  Tonight, the Colonels simply ran up against a superior team in the College of Wooster.  Congratulations to Wooster!  I was very impressed with the Wooster squad all the way through the lineup.  When Centre shut down the primary scoring options, the Scots didn't miss a beat with their secondary guys.  Very impressive on the offensive end.  What most impressed me however was the Wooster D.  The Scots earned their stripes on the defensive side of the ball as far as I am concerned.  This is also what makes them a great team that gives them a chance to get to the final four.  Good luck!
:)
pbrooks3,

You are entirely correct in the portion of your post I highlighted.  Wooster's play on the defensive end has been nothing like what we saw this weekend, and in reality, it really started last weekend at the NCAC Tournament.  Just 2 weeks ago they faced Ohio Wesleyan in the final regular season game and they allowed the Bishops to put up 89 points on them in a 95-89 win.  Wooster also allowed OWU to shoot 53% from the floor and an alarming 58% from 3 point range as the Bishops cashed in on 11 treys in that game.  Fast forward to last weekend and their rematch in the NCAC Championship game and Wooster wins 86-51.  In that game Wooster's D held OWU to just 31% from the floor and a stellar 14% from 3-point range!

Centre played hard and they never quit last night and that's what impressed me most about them.  Basically, it came down to that rough stretch to end the half for Centre where Wooster went on their big run.  Once Wooster established that big lead, it made it a tall task for the Colonels to pull off the comeback.  And then when Wooster came out and scored the 1st 9 points of the 2nd half to push the lead to 24, I figured it was all but over.  But to Centre's credit, they kept battling and made a little run of their own eventually cutting the lead to 15, but the mountain was just too big to overcome as that was as close as they would get. 

All in all, Centre has nothing to hang their heads about.  They came to Wooster and beat Capital pretty soundly and they were the champs of the OAC which is arguably the 2nd or 3rd toughest conference in DIII.  They just ran into a team on a mission last night.  I highly doubt too many teams in the country could beat Wooster at the level they were playing at last night and couple that with the energy they were getting from the home crowd and it was a pretty lethal combination for Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 04, 2007, 10:13:47 PM
Appreciate the remarks, ScotsFan.  While at the Centre-Wooster game, I gained an understanding of the tremendous support COW has, particularly among the locals.  This is something to be proud of at the D3 level.  Most schools can't claim that kind of allegiance.  The Scots are a very good team, clearly the best team Centre saw this year.  Scot fans are rabid and love their team.  Not sure how intelligent they are however.  Heard one remark at the start of the 2nd half - "I don't think Centre will score again."  Must have been a tongue-in-cheek remark to irk the Centre faithful!

Anyway, Colonels' fans hope the Scots go a long way in the tourney.  Give up the fussing about venue; that's the fickleness of D3.
















Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 04, 2007, 10:27:14 PM
Good blog - wooscotsfan! 

You're one Scot fan who recognizes good defense.  Centre played it well; Wooster played it better, and the Scots shot the ball at a high percentage.  Stats on the game were pretty even with one exception - shooting percentage.  17 point differential; about 17% percent difference in FG percentage.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 04, 2007, 10:50:37 PM
Looking for DPU.  Need to know what happened in St Louie?  DPU website doesn't tell us much about the deciding 3-pointer. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 05, 2007, 12:27:29 AM
Well, it probably shouldn't have ever been that close in the first place.  DePauw was down 7 with 1:54 left in regulation and finished on a 7-0 run.

Mike Moore had two FT's with :07 left in regulation, and made the first to tie it at 51, but missed the second.

Stephen Schott had the same scenario with :23 left in the extra session and made the first to tie it at 59, but missed the second.

Here's what I was told about the final seconds:

Schott missed the second free throw and Whitworth came down the floor and ran the clock down.  The story as it was told to me was that with a few seconds left, Whitworth momentarily lost the handle on the ball.  DePauw's guys went for it, Whitworth came up with it, and Bryan Williams was left all alone in the corner for the buzzer beater.

That's about a fourth hand account, however.  Might not be right at all.  DePauw struggled with what was described as a 3-2 zone.  In a related story, they attempted 36 (!) 3's.  Making 10 3's sure is nice, unless you shoot 36 of them.  I said DePauw needed to shoot well to win, 31% wasn't quite enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 05, 2007, 01:55:51 PM
A little something different at the end of the season.  There's a story on the Millsaps website today about guard Lorenzo Bailey that really impresses me.  Sometimes we forget that these kids are good athletes but even better people.

Link to story:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/030507release.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2007, 09:41:28 PM
The Lorenzo Bailey story is a good one.  Thank you Frank_Ezelle.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 06, 2007, 08:24:45 AM
Thanks for that comment pbrooks3.  I met Lorenzo early in his freshman year when he was doing work study hours at the soccer games.  He is the type guy that everyone likes right from the start and he obviously is the type of guy who plans to make a difference in this world. 

People wonder why I spend so much time taking photos at Millsaps and promoting the athletes and this story is as good an answer as I can give--they are great young people and they deserve the support.  I'm sure that's true at every SCAC school.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 13, 2007, 10:04:29 AM
Thought this would be of interest to SCAC fans:


Oestreich Steps Down as Basketball Coach

SHERMAN – Austin College head men's basketball coach Chris Oestreich has announced that he has elected not to seek reappointment for next year.  Oestreich leaves the program after 12 seasons in which he accumulated a record of 125-175.

"After 12 fulfilling years in this position I feel it is time for a change," said Oestreich.  "This change will benefit myself, my family, and the men's basketball program.  This decision was made with much thought, council and support from my family and colleagues."

Over the course of his time at Austin College, Oestreich experienced much success and raised the programs level of competition.  His tenure was highlighted by a conference championship in the 1996-1997 season along with three second place finishes, and two third place finishes.  Oestreich was a two-time American Southwest Conference Coach of the Year, picking up that honor in the 1995-1996 season and again the following year.

"Chris has informed me of his decision to make this change at this time in his career and after a lengthy conversation, I accept it," said Vice President for Student Affairs and Athletics Tim Millerick.  "On behalf of many at Austin College, I want to thank him for the time he has committed to leading this program over the past 12 years.  He has worked tirelessly and shared his talents to advance the Austin College basketball program.  He is an outstanding recruiter and was able to bring in a number of good student-athletes to the basketball program.  When you look at Chris's entire body of work, there is much success to acknowledge."

Oestreich came to Austin College after having served as an assistant coach at Cornell College in Mount Vernon, Iowa during the 1994-1995 season, and also served as an assistant at Rockhurst University in Kansas City from 1991 through 1994.

"I want everyone to know that my time at Austin College will always have a fond place in my heart," said Oestreich.  "I feel very fortunate to have been here for so long.  Coaching 12 years and over 300 games has been a tremendous experience."

In addition to serving as head basketball coach, Oestreich was also served in an administrative capacity as the director of the Mason Athletic and Recreation Complex and taught various Exercise Science courses at Austin College.  Oestreich plans on continuing his coaching career after finishing his time at Austin College in May.

"I feel strongly that Chris is a good coach and has many good years left in him," said Millerick.  "I wish all the best with making this transition in his life."

"I am pleased with where I am leaving the program and that I could share in the success and growth of Austin College basketball," said Oestreich.  "I want to thank my family for their support, as well as Dr. Oscar Page, Tim Millerick, the faculty, staff, and especially my colleagues in the athletics department.  Most importantly I want to thank the student-athletes both current and past who have played for me.  The relationships I have built with those young men have a value that can never be measured."

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2007, 09:01:46 PM
If Winston Churchill were asked an opinion of Chris Oestreich, he might say

Quote"Never in the field court of human basketball conflict was so much owed by so many to so few, er, to Mr Oestreich."

Coach Oestreich made the move to the SCAC, and I am certain that he thought that AC would increase its commitment to intercollegiate athletics.  He must have an incredible sense of disappointment that this is not occurring.

An outsider can only see this as a vote of "no confidence".

Coach Oestreich will land on his feet!  He is an excellent coach. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 14, 2007, 11:36:16 AM
Congratulations to Edrick Montgomery of Millsaps on being named to the 2nd Team of the D3Hoops All-South Region Team:

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/07/southmen.htm

In other Millsaps news, there was a recent story in the Millsaps school newspaper about the possibility of Allen Odum not returning next year.  He graduates in May and it basically comes down to the cost of getting an MBA at Millsaps vs. some other educational opportunities that are available to him.  He is a big part of the Millsaps success so I hope things work out where he returns for his 4th year but I certainly understand his situation and wish him well in whatever path he follows.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 14, 2007, 12:42:03 PM
No Nestheide?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2007, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on March 14, 2007, 12:42:03 PM
No Nestheide?  ???

Did his SID submit his name?
Did the SCAC SID's vote in sufficient number?
Were other non-SCAC as impressed with the performances as the SCAC people?

Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2007, 01:04:13 PM
Was the next guard on the voting list but was probably three ballots short.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 14, 2007, 01:55:26 PM
Link to Millsaps story on Edrick and All-South teams (that's a nice photo at the top left--Millsaps must have a great photographer):

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/031407release.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3scacfan on May 03, 2007, 10:42:25 AM
Now that May 1 has come and gone, any word from the SCAC schools about their 2007 recruiting classes?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on May 03, 2007, 03:07:41 PM
Witworth assistant Rodney Wecker named new head coach at Austin College today.

http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1077&ItemID=5325

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on May 04, 2007, 08:48:47 AM
Quote from: d3scacfan on May 03, 2007, 10:42:25 AM
Now that May 1 has come and gone, any word from the SCAC schools about their 2007 recruiting classes?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on May 04, 2007, 08:53:51 AM
Depauw has picked up three instate recruits.All solid players with 6'6" swing man Ryan Russell(Brebeuf Jesuit) standing out.Last year Coach Fenlon only picked up one in state player Tony James.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on May 20, 2007, 06:43:54 PM
Curious as to when we might see a SCAC Basketball schedule for 2007-08?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 19, 2007, 10:15:15 AM
one of you sewanee fans, if there are any, give me a scouting report on Ben Pursell.  This kid can flat out play.  I saw him go up against Dane Bradshaw last night.  What is this kid doing at Sewanee?
He can flat out play
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on July 10, 2007, 09:19:48 PM
Lets get this board started! Who do you like in the SCAC  ???and who do you see winning it. I say Depauw is 1 or 2. Any big bodies coming in for anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on July 10, 2007, 09:30:42 PM
2007-08 depauw men's basketball schedule


Date Opponent Time
Nov. 16 !vs. Illinois Institute of Technology  4 p.m. 
Nov. 17 !vs. Manchester or Taylor-Fort Wayne  5 or 7 p.m. 
Nov. 24 @MARIAN (Ind.)  6 p.m. 
Nov. 25 @CHICAGO or TRANSYLVANIA  2 or 4 p.m. 
Dec. 1  *at Centre  3 p.m. 
Dec. 6  at Wabash  7 p.m. 
Dec. 17  at Rose-Hulman  7:30 p.m. 
Dec. 19  KENYON  3 p.m. 
Dec. 29  #vs. Case Western Reserve  5 p.m. 
Dec. 30  #vs. Colby-Sawyer or Mount St. Joseph  1 or 3 p.m. 
Jan. 4  *SEWANEE 8 p.m. 
Jan. 6  *OGLETHORPE 1 p.m. 
Jan. 11  *at Rhodes  8 p.m. CST 
Jan. 13  *at Birmingham-Southern   Noon CST 
Jan. 18  *at Colorado College  8 p.m. MST 
Jan. 20  *at Austin  1 p.m. CST 
Jan. 25  *HENDRIX  8 p.m. 
Jan. 27  *MILLSAPS  1 p.m.

Feb. 1  *at Southwestern  8 p.m. CST 
Feb. 3  *at Trinity  Noon CST 
Feb. 8  *RHODES 8 p.m. 
Feb. 10  *BIRMINGHAM-SOUTHERN 1 p.m. 
Feb. 16 *CENTRE 3 p.m.

Feb. 22  *at Sewanee  8 p.m. CST 
Feb. 24  *at Oglethorpe  Noon 
Feb. 29-March 2  $SCAC Championship at Conway, Ark.  TBA 
     
     
     
   
   
*Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference game
!Manchester College Tipoff Tournament
@Mike Rokicki Community Versus Cancer Challenge
#Tampa Bay Shootout at Tampa Preparatory School
$SCAC Championship; Conway, Ark.







Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2007, 10:35:29 PM
Nice, thank you.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 11, 2007, 10:47:19 AM
here is a link to an article about Ben's play in the Rocky Top League

http://www.rockytopbasketballleague.com/content/view/21/1/ (http://www.rockytopbasketballleague.com/content/view/21/1/)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 12, 2007, 03:57:45 PM
Quote from: brave heart on July 10, 2007, 09:30:42 PM
2007-08 depauw men's basketball schedule


Date Opponent Time
Nov. 16 !vs. Illinois Institute of Technology  4 p.m. 
Nov. 17 !vs. Manchester or Taylor-Fort Wayne  5 or 7 p.m. 
Nov. 24 @MARIAN (Ind.)  6 p.m. 
Nov. 25 @CHICAGO or TRANSYLVANIA  2 or 4 p.m. 
Dec. 1  *at Centre  3 p.m. 
Dec. 6  at Wabash  7 p.m. 
Dec. 17  at Rose-Hulman  7:30 p.m. 
Dec. 19  KENYON  3 p.m. 
Dec. 29  #vs. Case Western Reserve  5 p.m. 
Dec. 30  #vs. Colby-Sawyer or Mount St. Joseph  1 or 3 p.m. 
Jan. 4  *SEWANEE 8 p.m. 
Jan. 6  *OGLETHORPE 1 p.m. 
Jan. 11  *at Rhodes  8 p.m. CST 
Jan. 13  *at Birmingham-Southern   Noon CST   (First year provisional)
Jan. 18  *at Colorado College  8 p.m. MST 
Jan. 20  *at Austin  1 p.m. CST 
Jan. 25  *HENDRIX  8 p.m. 
Jan. 27  *MILLSAPS  1 p.m.

Feb. 1  *at Southwestern  8 p.m. CST 
Feb. 3  *at Trinity  Noon CST 
Feb. 8  *RHODES 8 p.m. 
Feb. 10  *BIRMINGHAM-SOUTHERN 1 p.m.  (First year provisional)
Feb. 16 *CENTRE 3 p.m.

Feb. 22  *at Sewanee  8 p.m. CST 
Feb. 24  *at Oglethorpe  Noon 
Feb. 29-March 2  $SCAC Championship at Conway, Ark.  TBA       
     
*Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference game
!Manchester College Tipoff Tournament
@Mike Rokicki Community Versus Cancer Challenge
#Tampa Bay Shootout at Tampa Preparatory School
$SCAC Championship; Conway, Ark.

I have stricken the non-in-region opponents.

(Corrections appreciated.  Thanks Pat.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 13, 2007, 12:04:50 AM
Birmingham-Southern also non-region. Chicago is a question mark -- they were in-region for DePauw for some sports and not for others. I hope the NCAA will get its act together on this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on July 15, 2007, 11:36:18 AM
by my number of posts you can see I am a rookie.So enlighten me.What is the deal with region and non region games and what does the NCAA need to do or not do?Sorry for my ignorance!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 15, 2007, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: brave heart on July 15, 2007, 11:36:18 AM
by my number of posts you can see I am a rookie.So enlighten me.What is the deal with region and non region games and what does the NCAA need to do or not do?Sorry for my ignorance!
Hello brave heart,

These games qualify as in-region as per the D3hoops.com FAQ (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=44).

:)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 16, 2007, 11:01:24 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on July 11, 2007, 10:47:19 AM
here is a link to an article about Ben's play in the Rocky Top League

http://www.rockytopbasketballleague.com/content/view/21/1/ (http://www.rockytopbasketballleague.com/content/view/21/1/)

I'll admit that I didn't remember which Sewanee player was Ben Purcell from the one Sewanee game I saw last year, but I looked back at my Millsaps basketball photos over the weekend and Purcell sure looks like a big, physical guy in the photos.  Sewanee could be the surprise of the SCAC if they can keep everyone healthy for a full season.

I was going through the photos to put together a YouTube video on Millsaps Men's Basketball from the 2006-07 season.  The quality after YouTube compresses a video isn't great, but here's the link to the video if anyone is interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgltHIJjH0k
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on September 11, 2007, 12:48:59 PM
Do any SCAC teams field a JV team in basketball?How many players are generally put on the varsity roster?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 11, 2007, 03:04:01 PM
Quote from: brave heart on September 11, 2007, 12:48:59 PM
Do any SCAC teams field a JV team in basketball?How many players are generally put on the varsity roster?

Field is a relative term, I think.  I believe DePauw plays like one or two a season, if that. 

I believe the rule is that you are allowed to dress 15. (I think that's the number.  May be off by a couple.)  You can have as many on the roster as you want, but only 15 are allowed to dress on a given night.  You can change those on a game-by-game basis if you choose.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: daBulls on September 11, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
You can dress as many as you want at home, 15 on the road.  Most teams carry 12 on the road.

Watch out for Rhodes this year.  I would be shocked if they didn't finish in the top half of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on September 12, 2007, 10:03:03 AM
Okay,What do you base this prediction on? 3-11 to the top half of the conferance means there must have been some good recruits that came.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: daBulls on September 13, 2007, 09:45:59 AM
I don't know about their recruits.  I have heard they are not in need of a lot because they return virtually their whole team from last year.

I say that for a few reasons.  They return the leading scorer in the conference from last year, Cory Smith, who is just a junior.  Along with Smith, they started two freshman last year, either one could have been newcomer of the year last year (in my opinion).  If you follow dIII hoops at all you would realize that it is very tough to win with freshman.  I would say that is even more true in the SCAC.  Rhodes lost 6 games by less than 10 points, two of those in OT, in SCAC play.  That is a mark of a young team (only one senior last year and he was hurt more than half of the season).  The team seemed to play better on the road than at home.  I can't explain that one, but with a young team if they have already figured out how to play and win close games on the road the future could be bright.  With only one senior and two juniors, and the senior and one of the juniors both missed numerous games with injury, you are going to struggle.  The talent is there, and it is still young.  The three best players are a junior and two sophmores, but they all got significant experience last year.  They still have a weakspot in the post.  They need a big man that can defend and rebound with the better post players in the league.  They have numerous big bodies, they just need one to step up.  I am not saying they are going to win the league, just don't be suprised if they end up in the top half and are in the mix.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 13, 2007, 01:38:16 PM
So with the roster they had last year they're the 4th or 5th best team in the league? 

You'll have to forgive me, but I just don't think so.  Aside from Smith, they can't score.  You've got nothing after the conference's leading scorer.  They were taken to the house on the boards.  They were near the bottom in FG defense.  Near the bottom in FG%.  Next to last in TO margin. 

I don't know who they're going to beat this year that they finished behind last year.  DePauw is still strong.  Centre lost a lot, but is still better than Rhodes.  Millsaps had 0 seniors last year. Hendrix has two double digits scorers back.  Trinity's good for .500.  Oglethorpe lost everybody sans Kareem Shaheed and the littler Watterson. They're just about the only team that was better than Rhodes this year that might struggle (depending on recruits) to get to .500 in the conference this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: daBulls on September 13, 2007, 02:52:46 PM
DPU have you never seen young teams get better the next year?  A year of experience and the weight room can do wonders for a team.  The current Millsaps team is a great example.  As freshman and sophmores that group was inconsistent and struggled at times.  As juniors last year they won 18 games.  As seniors this year they should be favored to win the league. 

Last year, on a consistent basis, Smith was their only scorer.  Although senior Joe Thompson is a career double digit scorer (he was out a handful of games last season with an injury).  I have to names for you, both sophmores, Reid Hamilton and Jared Hoskins.  Hamilton had twenty on at least two conference opponets last year and Hoskins averaged just under 10 points as a freshman, not to mention he hit more than one game winning shot for the team.  Both started on and off throughout the year and gained invaluable experience, but in the end because of youth could be inconsistent at times.  I can see them having four double digit scorers with Smith averaging more like 14 or 15 a game.  Trinity made a run to championship game last year.  Rhodes and Trinity split two very close games (one into OT) and I didn't see much difference in the two.  Hendrix beat Rhodes at home in OT with Rhodes not having Thompson.  I think Rhodes is just as good as Trinity and could perhaps surpass them because they have more size.  Again, the Lynx need one of their big bodies (and they have a number of them, look at their roster) to step up.  If that doesn't happen then things will be tougher, but they should still be much improved.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 13, 2007, 07:36:40 PM
Quote from: daBulls on September 13, 2007, 02:52:46 PM
DPU have you never seen young teams get better the next year? 

Yes, I have.  But while Rhodes is doing that, so is everyone else.  Millsaps doesn't even need anybody to step in.  DePauw and Centre are both bringing multiple bigtime contributors back and are looking for a young fill-in here or there. And I wouldn't count out Pat Cunningham quite yet.  Last year was a very un-Trinity year. 

Without Rhodes showing some kind of drastic improvement in shooting the basketball, I just don't believe that the improvement will be an earth-shattering one.  This isn't your older brother's Rhodes team.  Rami Almefty isn't walking through that door.  Mladen Mrkaic isn't walking through that door and Matthew Jakes isn't walking through that door.  It's awful tough to take a team from 3-11 in the conference to a world beater in one season.  And I don't think they'll finish ahead of Millsaps, Centre, DePauw, Hendrix and perhaps Trinity and Oglethorpe.  Sure, you'll probably finish ahead of Austin, Sewanee, and Colorado College, and likely BSU (Hard telling what they're going to get, although I imagine it ain't gonna be pretty.. 14 freshmen and 2 juniors.)  Might be in the mix with Southwestern if they have to keep running Princeton.  I just don't think they'll improve to be better than the top tier teams.  Which would put them in the bottom half of the conference. 

Sure, they might jump up a beat a couple of good teams here and there or push some teams to the final horn (like you mentioned they did last year), and they might get to 5 or 6 conference wins.  I personally wouldn't pick 'em to finish much higher than that, though.  Get back to me in a year or two, though.  They'll be back.  Coach Hilgeman will get the pieces he needs.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on September 15, 2007, 12:36:23 PM
I saw the previous posts about Pursell.  Can Sewanee finish in the top half of the league?  Are their any freshmen that can contribute?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on September 17, 2007, 03:09:04 PM
DPU have you got any inside on the recruits coming in to the program?Schott and Oiler are the Seniors but we lost a few last year to graduation.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 19, 2007, 07:59:36 PM
Quote from: brave heart on September 17, 2007, 03:09:04 PM
DPU have you got any inside on the recruits coming in to the program?Schott and Oiler are the Seniors but we lost a few last year to graduation.

Heard a rumor or two about a couple promising freshman, but nothing particularly concrete.  You've still got Moore, James, and Werntz in the back court and Oilar & Schott up front.  That's a pretty good 5 to throw out there. 

Losing Sakel hurts a lot.  I don't know if Coach Fen is exploring a Moore & James back court, or if he'll look to a freshman shooter.  McDonald was a great contributor and he will obviously be missed, as well.  Although, there are plenty of quality bodies to step right in down low.  I liked Tom Callen, athough he's more of a wing player. Maybe Eric Hagen can step up this year.  Kid's a pretty big feller down there and I liked his style down low. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 21, 2007, 11:03:24 AM
It's amazing to see so much activity on the board so early.  Without a doubt, men's basketball is the most competitive sport in the SCAC.  Just a couple of points here and there seem to seperate a whole bunch of teams and the difference between finishing in the top 5 or out of the tournament isn't nearly as wide a gap as it once was.

It looks like Millsaps is returning all of their players from last year.  There was a question about point guard Allen Odum since he graduated in May, but he is back at Millsaps to get his MBA.  I don't have the impression that there is anyone new who will challenge for a starting spot, but isn't surprising with all of the main players coming back from last year.

It should be a great season and hopefully we'll have more people posting from more schools this year.  There's a very active board going about SCAC football and I'd love to see that carry over to basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 04:21:53 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 21, 2007, 11:03:24 AM
There was a question about point guard Allen Odum since he graduated in May, but he is back at Millsaps to get his MBA.

That's one of the things I love about Division III. Reminds me of what one of the Final Four coaches said about his point guard compared to William Paterson's Horace Jenkins.

"He's going to the NBA, while (our guy) is going to get an MBA."
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on September 25, 2007, 10:04:59 PM
lets not forget about the potential SU has this year. they lost one senior i feel that matt caplan is capable of being the most dominant player in the scac. last year the pirates were plagued with injuries and if their roster remains injury free they are capable of being the team to beat. also, centre and de pauw will be making visits to SU this year and the pirates can be tough to beat at home with BUC faithful.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on October 01, 2007, 09:23:07 AM
When do SCAC teams release their rosters? I can't wait! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 10, 2007, 09:03:07 PM
all I know is the Austin College men have nowhere to go but up.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on October 11, 2007, 01:26:52 PM
I'm ready for things to start heating up on this board.  With practices to start within a week, I hope they do.

It's way too early to have any real informed opinions, but I think Trinity will be a very competitive team again this year.  They were inconsistent throughout the early stages of last year due to the extensive playing time the Sophomores got.  This really paid dividends in the end with their run in the SCAC tournament.  If these same guys put in the time during the summer, they should be ready to give anybody a game this year.  There is an earlier post about Trinity's lack of size.  4 out of 5 of their front line players are returning this year including Mike Gilb at 6'9" who is a graduate student this year.

I'm looking for good things from the Tigers this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2007, 05:40:12 PM
I heard an interesting comment this weekend that has nothing to do with SCAC basketball.  While taking photographs at a cross country meet held at Mississippi College, I was talking to a MC staff member.  On the subject of their men's basketball team this season, I was told that the coaches have brought in 20 new players this year. 

That may seem like an exageration but it may actually be an understatement.  The MC website lists the 2007-08 basketball roster and there are 44 names on the list, 9 returning players and 35 new players.  I can remember years when Millsaps didn't have that many players out for football.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 15, 2007, 08:17:52 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2007, 05:40:12 PM
I heard an interesting comment this weekend that has nothing to do with SCAC basketball.  While taking photographs at a cross country meet held at Mississippi College, I was talking to a MC staff member.  On the subject of their men's basketball team this season, I was told that the coaches have brought in 20 new players this year. 

That may seem like an exageration but it may actually be an understatement.  The MC website lists the 2007-08 basketball roster and there are 44 names on the list, 9 returning players and 35 new players.  I can remember years when Millsaps didn't have that many players out for football.

Frank,
   Good to see at the meet, hope you were able to get some good shots. Twenty of the new players are transfer students.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2007, 07:11:56 AM
Chris--I did get some good shots.  Cross Country is probably the easiest sport to photograph because you know exactly where the action will occur, when the action will occur, and usually the runners are spread out so you can get good shots of every runner.  The only hard part is getting from location to location in order to get multiple shots during a meet--it's embarrassing for an old man to try to jog from point-to-point when surrounded by so many talented runners.

Maybe I'll see you at the volleyball game this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on October 20, 2007, 10:04:15 PM
Two adays going strong,sore to even walk,cuts are being made,its time to get the game on!!!Give me your top 5 team predictions for the SCAC. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 21, 2007, 07:59:28 PM
I'd be surprised if anyone left DePauw, Centre or Millsaps out of their top 5 preseason picks.  All three teams should be outstanding and how one would order the three might depend as much on the unbalanced schedule as the talent.

As for the 4th and 5th spot, my guess is that most folks will put Trinity in one of those spots.  Trinity has too much past history of excellence to leave them out of the top 5.  That just leaves one other spot and I would put Hendrix in my top 5.  Andrew King gives them a very solid base and their program has been getting better each year under Coach ????? (his name escapes me and it isn't listed on the Hendrix website).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 30, 2007, 12:46:59 PM
is anybody willing to make a full conference prediction? I've seen it in the women's board, but curious to see how everybody thinks the men will shake out.

all I know is Rhodes will be better than last year. i've leave it there and let the ambiguity rule that predicition.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on October 30, 2007, 09:12:19 PM
If Trinity's basketball team can lateral like its football team who has a chance against them!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: daBulls on November 02, 2007, 08:58:25 AM
Rhodes played an exhibition game last night at Div. I Austin Peay.  APSU returns all of there starters and key reserves from a team that won the regular season conference and was one win away from the dance, but had to settle on the NIT.  They are the overwhelming favorite to win their conference this year.  The two teams played last year and APSU blew Rhodes out from the tip.  Rhodes played APSU to a 16 point game and for much of the first half it was a 10 point or less game.  Even though it is early and a lot can change during the course of the season, I think this indicates that Rhodes has imporved greatly since last season.  Hopefully this will translate to a better finish in the conference for the Lynx.  I still say, don't be suprised if the Lynx finish in the top half of the conference.  Here is my preseason prediction for order of finish:
1.  Millsaps
2.  DePauw
3.Centre
4. Trinity
5. Rhodes
6. Southwestern
7. Hendrix
8. Oglethorpe
9. Sewanee
10.Austin
11. Colorado College
12. Birmingham Southern
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 02, 2007, 11:21:24 AM
  Pre-season Top 25 is out. (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25)

DePauw in the ORV.  Only SCAC school with a mention.

DPU also had an exhibition game last night.  They were at D1 Indiana State.  DPU actually led late and they were tied with a minute to go before the Sycamores went on an 11-0 run.

Schott 19.  Werntz 14.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on November 02, 2007, 11:34:55 AM
Oglethorpe might suprise some teams this year.  I know they last quite a bit of scoring, but last night they played at d1 Samford and led at halftime 35-34.  OU didn't shoot the ball well in the second half and lost by about 10.  OU had a good recruiting class and a transfer guard who had 21 last night for the Petrels.  I could see them hanging around the middle of the conference this year.  They have talent, the only issue will be how their inexperienced players play at crucial times.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 02, 2007, 11:58:29 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 02, 2007, 11:21:24 AM
Pre-season Top 25 is out. (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25)

DePauw in the ORV.  Only SCAC school with a mention.

DPU also had an exhibition game last night.  They were at D1 Indiana State.  DPU actually led late and they were tied with a minute to go before the Sycamores went on an 11-0 run.

Schott 19.  Werntz 14.

Centre is 7 spots ahead of them at #28    Depauw is in the middle of the pack at #35.  I wouldn't be surprised to see those 2 crack the top 25 and for Millsaps to sneak in there with a strong start.  It's been a while since 3 SCAC teams have been ranked or received votes.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 02, 2007, 04:07:38 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on November 02, 2007, 11:58:29 AM
Centre is 7 spots ahead of them at #28    Depauw is in the middle of the pack at #35.  I wouldn't be surprised to see those 2 crack the top 25 and for Millsaps to sneak in there with a strong start.  It's been a while since 3 SCAC teams have been ranked or received votes.

Whoops.  Thought that said Central.  I'm as bad as an AFCA voter.   :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on November 04, 2007, 06:41:14 AM
Sewanee will finish in the top half of the conference - The freshman class will  make some contributions and the team had good results from their off season conditioning program.  Still depth is an issue as always.  I just don't understand why more recruits don't want to come to an isolated mountain in the middle of nowhere with a brutal academic tradition....................hahaha


Rhodes played an exhibition game last night at Div. I Austin Peay.  APSU returns all of there starters and key reserves from a team that won the regular season conference and was one win away from the dance, but had to settle on the NIT.  They are the overwhelming favorite to win their conference this year.  The two teams played last year and APSU blew Rhodes out from the tip.  Rhodes played APSU to a 16 point game and for much of the first half it was a 10 point or less game.  Even though it is early and a lot can change during the course of the season, I think this indicates that Rhodes has imporved greatly since last season.  Hopefully this will translate to a better finish in the conference for the Lynx.  I still say, don't be suprised if the Lynx finish in the top half of the conference.  Here is my preseason prediction for order of finish:
1.  Millsaps
2.  DePauw
3.Centre
4. Trinity
5. Rhodes
6. Southwestern
7. Hendrix
8. Oglethorpe
9. Sewanee
10.Austin
11. Colorado College
12. Birmingham Southern
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriordad on November 04, 2007, 07:32:55 PM
That describes every school in the conference
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 05, 2007, 10:14:51 AM
Probably the only certainty on the men's side of the SCAC this season is that there will be very few if any "easy nights" during conference play. 

Every one of the top teams in the SCAC needs to realize the importance of doing great in the early non-conference games so they will have a shot at an at-large bid after the SCAC tournament.  Pinning your hopes entirely on going to the NCAA's by winning the AQ will be a risky thing when you consider how strong the field will be at the SCAC Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 05, 2007, 12:03:15 PM
Millsaps doesn't open their season until November 17th, but they have an exhibition game tomorrow (Tuesday, 11/6) at the University of Louisiana-Monroe.  The game starts at 7 p.m. and it looks like live stats will be available--you should be able to get to the live stats from this link:

http://www.ulmathletics.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=19000&KEY=&SPID=10981&SPSID=90653
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on November 05, 2007, 08:42:13 PM
 Hendrix travels to Jonesboro Tuesday to play an exhibition against Arkansas State. I'm never sure what these exhibitions against D-I opponents reveal, especially one that came within a game of playing in the NCAA tournament. But I'm sure the players get a kick out of it.

Plus, the ASU faithful can look at Hendrix as an example of what to expect when an institution does away with its Native American mascot. Hopefully, ASU won't hire the same guy who produced Hendrix's Ted-Nugent-wielding-a-sword mascot.

Anyone going to this game, a quick review would be welcome. Some names of Hendrix's first-year players would also be nice, since they haven't got that on the website yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriordad on November 05, 2007, 11:27:28 PM
The players really enjoy these games. They are typically played at a fast place with only blantant fouls called. It also gives some of the players an opportunity to play close to their hometowns.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 06, 2007, 07:02:42 AM
Quote from: Gus Sinski on November 05, 2007, 08:42:13 PM

Plus, the ASU faithful can look at Hendrix as an example of what to expect when an institution does away with its Native American mascot. Hopefully, ASU won't hire the same guy who produced Hendrix's Ted-Nugent-wielding-a-sword mascot.


Gus, I hope we'll see more posts from you this year.  Your comments are far too entertaining for you to just have 18 on the message board.

I'm not so sure what the exibitions vs. D1 teams show, but it seems to be a no win and no lose situation in most cases--not much chance of winning but that's no big deal because no one expects you to win.  I believe that Millsaps will scrimmage MS College at some point in the preseason and that will be far more telling than tonight's exhibition with U of Louisiana-Monroe.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on November 06, 2007, 08:58:55 AM
Hendrix also played in Jonesboro last year, and in that game ASU only beat the Warriors by 16.  Unlike most exhibition games, the Indians played their starters most of the game.

Tonight's game will be tough for Hendrix.  Coach Priest will have to fill the gaps left by Bennett & Secrease.  Hendrix only graduated four seniors - three of which played substantial minutes. 

ASU is picked to finish toward the top of their division in the Sun Belt and beat Lyon College (NAIA) 95-59 last Saturday.  Dickey Nutt usually has some of his golfing buddies as referees for these games, which makes it look more like the NBA than college!

Hopefully the Warriors, like all the SCAC schools who play D1 exhibitions, can make a good showing tonight in Jonesboro.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on November 06, 2007, 12:25:59 PM
Quote from: hendrixfan on November 06, 2007, 08:58:55 AM
Coach Priest will have to fill the gaps left by Bennett & Secrease. 

I think that can be done, especially if we're talking about Secrease. Cal Rose and Janson Hightower both showed some touch from the outside last season, and if they evolve it may help ease the loss of Secrease.

I'm curious as to whether this team has any big man who can take some of the pressure off Andrew King. At times, teams threw everything but the Rose-Hulman elephant at him.

Not sure if tonight's scrimmage will show anything, but it should be fun and could help the Warriors defensively.
If you're a fan or parent going to the game, I highly recommend stopping at Wings-2-Go and ordering the chicken strip meal.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on November 06, 2007, 10:51:46 PM
Hendrix fell tonight in Jonesboro 100-61.  The game was much closer than the final score appears.  ASU made a run right before halftime to break open a three point game. 
ASU's size, depth, & athletic ability wore Hendrix down toward the end, but the team looks like they'll be able to compete in the SCAC this year.

ASU is solid & talented, but their rebounding & free throw shooting will need to improve.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 07, 2007, 08:59:00 AM
The Hendrix story sounds like the Millsaps vs. ULM story except that Millsaps hit their first 7 shots and actually led 16-11 after 5 minutes.  In a typical D1 vs D3 matchup, the norm would be that there is a gap between the starters and an even bigger gap between the subs.  Also, the D1 team should be bigger and enjoy a comfortable size and strength advantage, and I think that was the case last night.  Here's a link to the game story:

http://www.ulmathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=90653&SPID=10981&temp_site=NO&DB_OEM_ID=19000&ATCLID=1305720

BY THE WAY, ULM is the preseason pick to finish first in the Western division of the Sun Belt Conference and they returned all 5 starters from last year's West division co-champions, so it was a tough matchup for a D3 school.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on November 07, 2007, 01:38:11 PM
 Looks like the usual suspects showed up for Hendrix. King and Rose had their typical nights, which is doubly nice for Rose since I'd been told Arkansas State had shown some interest in him back in high school. I'm glad Hendrix has him.

I'm intrigued by the off-the-bench performance from frosh pivot Chris Scroggins, who had six points and five rebounds. He arrived at Hendrix in the mold of David Foley - looking to play basketball and baseball - but opted to just concentrate on hoops instead. Hopefully, he can mature into the sort of player that can give Andrew King a blow here and there. Usually though, it takes some time for players from Arkansas to adjust to the college game because the quality of high school play in the state is so poor. Cal Rose has proved an exception.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on November 07, 2007, 02:27:05 PM
The freshman Scroggins came in last night and did a nice job.  I hadn't heard anything of him, but he should be able to give King & Foley a breather.  Avery & Bertrand do a nice job down low for their size, but having the big guy off the bench will definitely help.
There's just no way to tell how a team is going to look after playing D1 competition.  Hendrix should get a much better read within the next week or so of how the team looks against teams in their own division.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: daBulls on November 10, 2007, 10:35:49 PM
Hendrix and Rhodes did the unconventional last night and scrimmaged in Memphis.  They played pretty even in the first 10 minute period, with Hendrix "winning" the period by about six.  The last 4 or 5 (I can't remember how many they played) Rhodes beat Hendrix pretty handily, double digits most, if not all, periods.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 11, 2007, 07:13:59 PM
Millsaps and MC scrimmage this afternoon and it was interesting to watch but it didn't tell me anything about Millsaps that all of you don't already know.  Think of last year's team with a little more depth and experience and you have a good idea of what Millsaps will be like this year. 

Keeping in mind that Millsaps was only 4-5 prior to Christmas last year, I look for Millsaps to get off to a much better start this season and to keep alive the potential for an at-large bid.  For those of you who follow all the sports here on D3, you know that Millsaps has been left just outside the playoffs in baseball and football because they didn't win the SCAC AQ and they were just shy of doing enough for an at-large bid.  This basketball team, with so many seniors, needs to be focused from the start and give themselves the best possible chance to get to the NCAA Tournament. 

(For the record regarding the scrimmage this afternoon, the teams played 3 20-minute halfs.  They didn't keep the score on the scoreboard but I had Millsaps up 33-31 in the first 20-minutes and then a 36-36 tie in the next 20-minutes.  It was a scrimmage, so take those scores with a grain of salt.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on November 12, 2007, 08:52:44 AM
Sewanee scrimmaged Alabama Huntsville last night.  3-20 min halfs.  They won the first half by 12 and lost the 2 ond half by 15.  I did not stay for the last 20 min.  The defense looked better but still a ways to go
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 14, 2007, 03:08:59 PM
The SCAC preseason rankings are out and it provides some interesting numbers at the top.  Millsaps and DePauw received 4 first place votes each and Centre received the other 3.  That sounds like an even split that all three teams are about equal, but it seem like Millsaps is preceived as the weak link among the three.

Centre and DePauw each got 110 votes to split the top billing while Millsaps trailed behind at 105.  There were 11 ballots cast with a 1st place vote worth 11 points, 2nd place vote worth 10 points, ...., and an 11th place vote worth 1 point.  So in the case of Millsaps, once you take away the 44 points for the 1st place votes, that leaves 61 points from the other 7 voters--maybe 5 third place votes and 2 fourth place votes.  If they did get any second place votes then that means other ballots had them at 4th or lower. 

My guess is that DePauw and Centre are a concensus pick as two of the top three teams in the league and about half the voters feel like Millsaps is the top team and about half feel like Trinity edges Millsaps out of the top three.  It's all interesting, but the only thing that really matters is the score at the end of each game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on November 14, 2007, 07:31:50 PM
 I would have to take Centre as my No. 1 right now, but I think anyone familiar with the league would have to say that it's mighty crowded at the top. And who knows who might cram their snout into the picture before all is said and done? Trinity is coming off a mediocre season by Trinity standards, and I can only think that perhaps we've awakened an angry giant.

I'm consigned to working for a living Friday, but perhaps Saturday I'll be able to hie on over to the Hendrix Wellness and Athletic Center/Cliff Garrison Court/Oh My God For Once I Don't See Any Asbestos gym and check out the early returns on the Warriors.

That sound you hear is a contented sigh as I take in a game with actual chairback seating.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 17, 2007, 07:07:08 AM
No problems for DePauw in the opener against Illinois Tech at Manchester last night.  89-66 Final.

Oilar 19 & 7.  Schott 15 & 9.  Werntz 15 pts on 5-5 shooting from 3.  A freshman going by the name of Steve Lemasters also had 15 on 5-5 shooting from deep.  They'll play host Manchester this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2007, 07:26:11 AM
Millsaps opens up with Pensacola Christian this afternoon, a team that led #23 ranked MS College last night in the opening minutes of the second half.  MC went on a big run at that point to cruise to a victory, but I hope the Millsaps players don't slip up and play like they did in losing to Pensacola last season.  I can't stress enough just how important it is for teams like Millsaps, DePauw, Centre, Trinity, etc., to keep alive their at-large possibilities in November and December because the SCAC Tournament will once again be a toss up between many teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on November 17, 2007, 07:55:34 AM
Sewanee beat Texas Tyler last night 75-70.  Good defensive effort, but I don't know how Texas Tyler would stack up against SCAC competition.  Sewanee plays Emory on Sunday
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 17, 2007, 09:04:19 AM
irion,
   What kind of team did Tyler have? They are playing without their best player right now, guard Brandon Weasby is one of the better guards in the ASC but only has one more semester of eligibility. Tyler's new head coach, Kenny Bizot, was an assistant at MC for four years.
    Looking forward to seeing Millsaps today against Pensacola Christian after our girls game against them. Pensacola has a decent team who can be competitive if you catch them on a good night.
   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on November 17, 2007, 05:30:25 PM
Texas T had a good team.  Very atheletic guards and forwards and one strong post player that  fouled out with about 4 min left or the outcome may have been different.  They were well coached.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2007, 06:58:29 PM
Millsaps wins this afternoon by 6 over Pensacola Christian (75-69 if I remember correctly).  The first 10-12 minutes were fairly close and then Millsaps expanded it to about 16 by the end of the half.

In the second half it never had the feel that Millsaps was going to lose, but they didn't hit the shots then needed to pull away.  The game tightened up in the last minute with some missed free throws and a couple of three pointers, but there never was the feeling that the game was going to be lost.

All in all, it was a start that had its bright moment but it seemed to lack the intensity that will be needed for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on November 17, 2007, 09:12:12 PM
 Hendrix beat Westminster (Mo.) 69-45 Saturday, giving the Warriors a 2-0 start to the season.

I neglected to steal a stat sheet, but Andrew King had his usual night and grabbed a bunch of rebounds. A nice surprise was the outside shooting of Janson Hightower, who scored in double figures. If Hightower can knock down some long range shots from time to time, it would give Hendrix another long-range threat besides Cal Rose.

A very good defensive showing. Westminister had a guard who scored over 30 on Rhodes the night before, and Hendrix held him to six.

SCAC teams will be in for a treat when making the trip to Conway. The new gym looks fantastic, and everything ran very smoothly this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 18, 2007, 08:06:19 AM
DPU won the Manchester something or other bank tourney by beating Manchester 68-60 last night.   

Werntz went for 21 points on 5-9 from 3.  He's the tourney MVP.  Oilar and Schott both with 12.  Oilar made the tourney team. 

Through two games, DPU is shooting 48% from 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on November 18, 2007, 12:51:00 PM
Trinity beat Ohio Weslyan by double digists last night.  The Tigers got up by 10 early and never really were challenged.  OW did cut the lead to 7 at one point in the second half, but Trinity withstood the "run" and brought it home pretty easily. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on November 18, 2007, 10:08:11 PM
Sewanee beat Emory this afternoon by 19.  I believe Emory lost 3 or more of their starters from last year so I don't know how significant the victory was but Sewanee  starts 2-0.  3 Sewanee players made the All Tournament team.  LaGrange comes to the Mountain on Tuesday.  Does anyone know what they have?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2007, 11:21:40 PM
Ohio Wesleyan (http://bishops.owu.edu/mbb.html) is picked to finish 2nd in the NCAC!

The win is not "in-region", so it doesn't help with the playoffs, but it looks good on the "resume".  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on November 19, 2007, 12:31:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2007, 11:21:40 PM
Ohio Wesleyan (http://bishops.owu.edu/mbb.html) is picked to finish 2nd in the NCAC!

The win is not "in-region", so it doesn't help with the playoffs, but it looks good on the "resume".  ;)

Ralph, just clicked on that link...

Let me just say that the first person to get me any kind of clothing with "Battling Bishops" emblazoned on it will be in my good graces forever.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 19, 2007, 02:55:07 PM
Lagrange should have a decent team, but no match for Pursell, if i was a betting man, i would throw money on Sewanee by 10.  I just don't think lagrange will have anyone who can match up with Ben and he will draw so much attention that it will allow his teammates to make some plays as well.  I also like Sewanee in this game b/c it is on the mountain and if it was in Lagrange i would call it a toss up
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on November 19, 2007, 07:00:45 PM
Trinity beat the University of Chicago by 5 last night.    The Tigers were down by 4 or so halfway through the second half and went on a run followng a timeout in which they got read the riot act.  It appears that Coach Cunningham has another team willing to play defense and share the ball.  The team looks very deep as they can go 10 or more down the bench!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 19, 2007, 07:25:39 PM
That's a good win for Trinity.  Chicago's a good team. 

We might get to compare some notes fairly early.  Chicago and DePauw may square off in the tourney DePauw hosts this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on November 19, 2007, 08:12:57 PM
Wes,

I look forward to, as you say, "comparing notes".  Two games a season does not make, but two road wins has to make the Tigers feel pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 19, 2007, 09:03:28 PM
It's great to see so many solid non-conference wins this early in the season and it points to a heck of a year in the SCAC Conference this season.  After watching Millsaps play a scrimmage against MS College and then watching the first game against Pensacola Christian, I believe that Millsaps will be a better team this season than last.  It is basically the same guys as last year but the bench is stronger and there seems to be more of a comfort level than at the beginning of last season (at the start of last year I think they were still sorting out the roles everyone needed to fill after Tyler Warren graduated).

I feel certain that the SCAC will have an NCAA at-large bid this season, but I find it unlikely that they'll have two at-large bids.  Right from the start you have DePauw, Centre, Trinity and Millsaps as teams thinking they should get to the NCAA and the reality is that only two probably will make it.  It just points out how important these early games are because they will probably be what determines which non-AQ team gets the at-large bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on November 20, 2007, 11:35:58 PM
Another win for Trinity tonight against Texas Lutheran.  The final margin was only 2 points.  Trinity did not shoot well from the field or from the line.  This might have been due to the fact this was their third game four nights.  They showed some grit in doing what needed to be done to get the "W".  Mike Gilb had a nice double double while BJ Moon and Charles Houston made their typical contributions.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 21, 2007, 12:26:11 AM
Saw that Sewanee lost to Lagrange tonight by 14... is anyone else surprised by this?   I thought Sewanee was much improved and I know Lagrange lost alot from last years team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2007, 01:21:49 AM
I think that Trinity eked out a win.  TLU is predicted to finish 7th in the ASC-West.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on November 21, 2007, 06:49:47 AM
Sewanee did lose to lagrange on 11/20 by 14 and it was not that close.  Pursell did not have a great game and others did not step up.  I sat next to the LaGrange assistant coach that was scouting Sewanee Sunday afternoon and he commented on how much better Sewanee played this season.  I guess they have a ways to go.
Is it just my imagination or is the offciating better so far this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2007, 08:42:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2007, 01:21:49 AM
I think that Trinity eked out a win.  TLU is predicted to finish 7th in the ASC-West.

It's hard to be up for every game and sometimes seeing that an opponent is picked so low in the preseason polls results in a letdown in focus and intensity.  I'm not saying that was the case last night, but I know I've been guilty as a player and a coach of looking at a game as a nice "breather" only to find that I was very mistaken.  A team has to come ready to play their best every game it they want to be a top-notch team--it seems like in all levels of sports, from small college to pros, there are so many good athletes and coaches that the gap between the top and the bottom is getting smaller (except the gap between the New England team and the rest of the NFL).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 21, 2007, 10:52:56 AM
i think you can see why i am not a betting man,
pursell had 21 pts and 7 boards, tough to call that an off night, but the most important thing is the W
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2007, 10:54:05 AM
Frank, I lament the fact that we (TLU) let that one get away!

I want Trinity to incur every South Region loss that we ASC teams can give, after they have gotten every good in-region win  (like Chicago)  that helps my OOWP!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on November 21, 2007, 01:12:57 PM
Hendrix won against the University of Dallas Tuesday night in a free throw shooting contest.  The boxscore shows UD with 33 fouls, and Hendrix with 29.    :(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 21, 2007, 01:20:01 PM
I think it is hard to say that Trinity may have been looking past TLU. 

I don't think people realize how tough of a turn around it is to play on the road in a tourney on Saturday and Sunday, and then on Monday (a class day) fly home, practice, rest and then on Tuesday (another class day) play another game. 

I am assuming they flew home on Monday because the game against Chicago was an evening tip.

Just something to think about. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2007, 11:02:24 PM
Hello, Carl!

Good to "read" you again.

I think that you are closer to the reality of the situation.

That was an upset in the making, and TU "eked out" a win.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 22, 2007, 08:49:43 AM
Thanks Ralph.  It is good to be "read" again.

I am not familiar with the players like I used to be and don't get to see many games so I am not as active as I once was, but I know a killer travel schedule when I see one. 

It is easy for all of us to forget that in the midst of all of these games that the kids are dealing with being college students.  I remember the 7 or so days before Thanksgiving as being a killer for school work.  Coming off a four day trip and trying to make sure the important stuff is all in order can be a challenge.  But if you can get through it all, it makes the turkey taste that much better. 

I am sure TLU kids had the same school challenges but it is more easier to be on top of stuff when you have been at home vs. the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 23, 2007, 10:19:21 PM
Millsaps took a 2-point home victory over Louisiana College this evening, winning 63-61 when LC missed a shot at the buzzer.  I thought the teams look fairly even which is interesting in that LC is picked to finish 6 out of 7 in the ASC East.  This coming on the heels of Trinity's 2-point win over Texas Lutheran, picked to finished last in the ASC West, can be view two different ways.  It's 2 wins by the SCAC over the ASC which is good for the SCAC, or it's two very close games by teams picked to finish near the top of the SCAC over teams picked to finish at or near the bottom of the ASC, which is good for the ASC.

I don't have a box score on the game but it looked like fairly balanced scoring for Millsaps. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2007, 12:16:27 AM
Two point Milllsaps win at home over LC...

LC is a harder place at which to win, tho'.

The Trinty win was at home, too.

I haven't seen a good DePauw or Centre play a great ASC team, but I think that the ASC matches very favorably with the SCAC-West.  My personal assessment is that Miss College matches more favorably in the ASC-East and usually wins the ASC-East.  There have only been three teams to get a portion of the ASC-East or the ASC in the last 8 seasons.

The ASC-West is a knock-down /drag-out.  We have had 5 champs in the last three years.  The West plays a more wide open style.  Miss Coll is traditional half-court style.  They move into the Great Lakes and then run into great fundamental teams and lose in the Sweet 16.

I think that we will see the SCAC boil down to DePauw and one other team.

The ASC hasn't had any tests yet, so the book is still open on them.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 24, 2007, 07:29:20 AM
Ralph, I thought the LA College team looked fairly solid last night and the ASC must be very tough this year if LC and TL ended up near the bottom of the standings as has been predicted in the preseason voting.

As I'm starting to learn, getting a South Region win last night was big for Millsaps and it will be just as important that they win this afternoon against Rust College.  There are so many things at stake at this point of the season for Millsaps--the chance to reach 20 wins this season, staying in competition for an at-large berth, establishing a solid ranking in the South Regional.  For Millsaps with so many key seniors on the 2007-08 team, this is a now or never situation for a group that came close last year but was really undone by a 4-5 start.

One quick question for anyone to anyone about this season.  With the teams in the SCAC now being divided into an East and West division, is it the top 4 from each division that gets to the SCAC Tournament?  If that's the case, do the crossover games count in the standings for the divisions?  I've looked on the SCAC site but I haven't seen an explanation on the new divisional setup.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 24, 2007, 06:15:06 PM
Some interesting results from the Millsaps 2007 Turkey Shoot-Out this weekend:

Friday scores:

Huntingdon College 72 -- Rust College 65
Millsaps 63 -- Louisiana College 61

Saturday scores:

Louisiana College 110 -- Huntingdon College 66
Millsaps 79 -- Rust College 58

Based on the scores, one would think that both Huntingdon and Rust aren't very strong this year.  In the case of Rust, they fall to 1-3 with their only win being a 68-67 win over Centre at LaGrange--I wonder if there is a "rest of the story" about that win over Centre because I just can't see that result if Centre is as good as I expect them to be this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 24, 2007, 08:10:55 PM
DePauw 83
Marian 72

Marian's a pretty good NAIA team out of Indianapolis. 

DePauw played well for some stretches of the game and played pretty poorly in some others.  Mike Moore dropped a career-high 28.  Brian Oilar 17 & 13.  Stephen Schott 14 & 7.

Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 24, 2007, 07:29:20 AM
One quick question for anyone to anyone about this season.  With the teams in the SCAC now being divided into an East and West division, is it the top 4 from each division that gets to the SCAC Tournament?  If that's the case, do the crossover games count in the standings for the divisions?  I've looked on the SCAC site but I haven't seen an explanation on the new divisional setup.

The answers to your questions are both yes.  Top 4 seeds go in each division.  Cross-divisional games do count.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 24, 2007, 11:43:20 PM
Oglethorpe defeated Lagrange today 100-63.  Don't have any statistics from the game although I was told scoring was distributed evenly with 6 or so players scoring in double figures.  Jackson and Shaheed led the Petrels with 15 a piece.

Fun Fact from the game: Gwinn Nixon scored the 100th point.  Glad to hear you got some action bud.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2007, 07:58:42 AM
The OU game makes LaGrange 1-2 against SCAC teams:

Centre 76 - LaGrange 59 at Lagrange
LaGrange 85 - Sewanee 71 at Sewanee
Oglethorpe 100 - LaGrange 63 at Maryville
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 25, 2007, 11:40:23 AM
Interesting scores... makes you wonder which team is going to show up night in and night out.  Sewanee waxes Emory then loses to Lagrange?  Maryville beats Emory by 3 and then Oglethorpe puts it on Lagrange  by 37.  Should be an interesting season for all.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2007, 12:41:33 PM
Millsaps plays their 3rd game of the weekend this afternoon, taking on Division 1 Southeastern Louisiana in Hammond at 3:00.  Southeasterns only loss this year is a 72-62 loss to LSU and they beat Millsaps 90-67 when the teams met last year. 

Link to live audio:  http://www.lionsports.net/basketball.html
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
With 9 minutes left in the first half, Millsaps and Southeastern are tied at 21.  Millsaps has already played 11 people, making the tie score even more surprising.  I can't get the radio broadcast but the live stats are at:

http://www.lionsports.net/stats/livestats/mbasketball/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2007, 04:48:33 PM
Lorenzo Bailey hits a 3 to end the first half and Millsaps trails 40-35.  Chad Songy leads Millsaps with 10 points, followed by Rogan and Bailey with 6 each.  Eight Millsaps players have scored.

Southeastern leads in rebounding 18-13, no surprise since only 3 players on their roster are under 6'5" in height.  Millsaps has hit 6 of 11 3-point shots and they'll need to stay just as hot in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2007, 05:18:44 PM
Well it was interesting for a half.  Millsaps came out and missed their first 10 or so shots and added in at least 3 turnovers, which ended up becoming an 19-0 run for SLU.  With 11:13 remaining, it is 61-38 and it will probably get worse rather than better.  Millsaps won the two games that matter this weekend and they made it interesting for a half against a D1 school--that's not a bad three day stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2007, 05:52:06 PM
Millsaps came back a little and ended up losing 73-55, so obviously the 19-0 run to start the 2nd half was the difference maker.  Songy lead Millsaps with 15, the only player in double-digits for Millsaps.  Millsaps did have 10 players with double-digit minutes played so that's a plus that the bench could come in and play fairly well against a D1 team.  The next game for Millsaps will be at Hendrix on December 1.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2007, 08:23:47 PM
Ben Pursell for SCAC Player of the year
He put it on Preseason All American Baldwin from Piedmont while being named MVP of the BSC Black tie classic

he learned from the best this summer

the grubby one
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 25, 2007, 08:32:01 PM
Maryville 101  Oglethorpe 70    in a game that wasn't even that close.  Murvul got to many easy points off of layups and OU turnovers. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 25, 2007, 09:38:34 PM
DePauw 81
Chicago 67

DePauw played great for the first 10 minutes or so.  They led by as many as 12.  Then Chicago rallied to cut it to 1 at the break. 

Then DePauw shot 70% in the second half.

Moore 19 pts & 10 assists.  Schott 17 & 10 reb.  Oilar 14 points.  DePauw again shot well over 50% from 3.  They're shooting 50% (47-95) from out there on the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on November 26, 2007, 06:07:36 AM
Sewanee lost to Dallas by 5 in Birmingham on Sunday.  Pursell had 35/15.  The team seemed to lose their focus on defense.  Dallas tried to play very physicial man to man defense and it worked to a certain extent.  Sewanee had a hard time getting the ball down the court at times.

I understand the BSC games do not count in the SCAC for 4 years, so 4 of 5 teams in their division will go to the tournament for the next 4 years.  Why would anyone want to commit their program to 4 years of no post seson play?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2007, 08:47:20 AM
Irion, you seem to be new to the boards.  ;)

Here are some discussions and news releases of the decision by BSC to move up to D-III from May, 2006.

Welcome to D-III (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2006/05/26/birmingham-southern-welcome-to-division-iii/)

http://d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2006-05-26

http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2006-06-08

Interview with BSC President David Pollick (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=571)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on November 27, 2007, 09:07:58 AM
Trinity improved its record to 4-0 by beating Hardin-Simmons by 2.   Hardin-Simmons came out and was on fire.  They didn't miss a shot for the first 6 and a half minutes and had a 16 point lead at one point.  The Tigers seemed to not be fazed by it all and just kept playing their game.  Trinity trailed for all but the lastone and half minutes of the game showing both the resiliency and confidence to win this way.  The scoring for the Tigers was spread to almost everybody who played.  I hope they can keep this rolling into this weekend's two SCAC games.

On another point,  I see that Trinity made it into the "Others Receiving Votes" category of the Top 25 poll.  This probably makes sense given the 4-0 start.  Just a question though, does it make sense that both teams they beat in last week's Chicago tournament are still significantly ahead of them?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 27, 2007, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: JJFlash on November 27, 2007, 09:07:58 AM
On another point,  I see that Trinity made it into the "Others Receiving Votes" category of the Top 25 poll.  This probably makes sense given the 4-0 start.  Just a question though, does it make sense that both teams they beat in last week's Chicago tournament are still significantly ahead of them?

It's still early, hoss.  Remember that the two teams Trinity beat had a better record than they TU did last year.  And OWU isn't significantly ahead of you.  It's two whole points. 

Those are two wins against good teams away from home.  You'll be there if you keep winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on November 27, 2007, 08:25:40 PM
You're point is well taken, Wes.  I wasn't jumping the gun and declaring the Tigers the consensus National Champion. ;)  I was actually just pointing out that Trinity was stasrting to get a little love.  (Probably all they deserve so far.)  I just wanted to point out that teams they beat are still getting a little more of that love.  Polls after all, are just that, polls. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2007, 08:38:27 PM
I will  be honest about the Trinity games with ASC schools...

Trinity just edged, at home, the Pre-season #7 and the Pre-season #3 West Division picks.

Trinity beat a respected UChicago team and a well-respected Ohio Wesleyan team (#2 pre-season pick in the NCAC).

Is the ASC-West really that strong this year?  I will take a strong Trinity, because TU seems to have the eye of national D3 pundits.  TU can float a lot of ships in this part of the country.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on November 28, 2007, 07:18:09 PM
Looking forward to the Center vs Depauw game this Saturday!Should be a great early season match up.Depauw has been really strong from the three range,not really heard much about Center this year ,but I am sure they will be ready. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on November 29, 2007, 07:27:13 PM
 This weekend's Millsaps-Hendrix matchup intrigues me.

Hendrix is 4-0, with mostly convincing victories over Rhema Bible College, Westminster, U of Dallas and Central Baptist. Their schedule slightly pales to that of Millsaps, which has had games against Rust and SE Louisiana.

I'm not sure if Hendrix's four opponents accurately represented what the top teams (like Millsaps) in the SCAC will bring to the table. But, given their margin of victory against three of those opponents, maybe they're ready.

'Course, if the Majors rise up rightous and smear the Warriors, that might not portend well for the good ship Hendrix.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 29, 2007, 11:00:31 PM
This weekend's Millsaps-Hendrix matchup scares me.

I would expect a big crowd since it is the dedication of the new arena as well as the first SCAC game of the season.  Andrew King is the type player who knows how to initiate contact to draw fouls and I'm afraid that he'll be given a lot of leeway by the officials if there is a big, vocal home crowd--I'm not saying the refs will be unfair to either team, just that they may allow for a physical game which favors King.  In the 4 games King has played against Millsaps he has always scored 20 points or more and Hendrix has some other guys who can score.

As for Millsaps, I thought they looked a little shaky in their team play against both Pensacola Christian and LA College.  The play was much better against Rust and they played Southeastern Louisiana even for 30 of the 40 minutes in the last game (it didn't help that the other 10 minutes was a 19-0 run to start the second half).  If the team plays like they did in the last two games, then they should have a good shot at picking up an SCAC road win.  If they play like in the first two games, then this will be a game that could go either way.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on November 30, 2007, 01:24:41 PM
 Frank;

The arena was actually dedicated a little over a month ago. They had a huge shindig, and even flew in Bill Bradley to speak. My former tuition at work and all that.

Not sure how the crowd will be, but I'm sure it helps that there's no big college football game to draw everyone's attention.

Looking at the last four games, I'm impressed that it hasn't all been the Andrew King show. Hendrix has gotten some very good outings from David Foley, Justin Avery and others. The more I think about it, though, the more I'm convinced that the Warriors' season will hinge on whether those players can do the same against SCAC competition. Saturday could be a good indicator.

The refs will be a coin flip. We've got some officials that seem to fulfill every available stereotype regarding the Arkansas education system, while others call a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 30, 2007, 02:08:54 PM
I was a little sloppy with my reading of the Hendrix website.  This Saturday will just be dedication ceremony between games of the new basketball court.  I have a feeling Coach Garrison will draw quite a few folks from the Hendrix community but I'm sure it won't be as big as the event a month ago. 

With the Millsaps team, there is no question that they have a lot of talent.  I guess what worries me is that this core group has been together for a few years and they do have moments when things just go flat for long stretches or an entire game.  It's gotten less frequent each year, but I guess I still have that 4-5 start from last year stuck in my mind. 

The home loss to Dallas last year and the road loss to Pensacola Christian cost them a 20 win season and possibly an NCAA at-large bid.  Couple last year's start with this year's 6-point win over Pensacola and LA College having a shot at the buzzer that could have beat Millsaps, and I'm still waiting for confirmation that this year's team will be totally focused to play in every game. 

Over the last 12 months the basketball, baseball, and football teams at Millsaps have all been close to getting into the NCAA Tournament but all fell short in their hopes for an at-large bid.  I'm counting on the basketball team to break that dry spell this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2007, 05:13:58 PM
Frank, as we switch from teams we play in football to teams that we play in basketball, the Pensacola Christian game had no bearing, but the UDallas loss really hurt.

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.msg686873#msg686873

Please check message #1104.

I recalculated the QOWI with a UDallas win and got a QOWI of 9.38.

That would have given Millsaps a South Region record of 16-5 which was still below McMurry (20-7/19-5) and QOWI 9.583.

I felt that McMurry's loss to ETBU was the reason we did not get a Pool C bid.

I don't think that the UDallas game cost Millsaps ultimately.  They would have been another 20 win team sitting home. :-\

Now, a win over a quality in-region opponent instead of the Pensacola game and the UDallas win is another matter.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 30, 2007, 08:02:02 PM
Ralph, that quality win might have been the 1 point home loss to Trinity or the 2 point home loss to DePauw after Millsaps led by 16 at the half.  Millsaps had the last shot in both games, which just goes to show how thin the margin is on getting an at-large bid.  (Of course, Millsaps had some close wins also, so the "what if" works both ways.)

I wasn't really sure how close Millsaps was to getting in last year, but I know that a team can't stumble very often if they want an at-large bid.  With Millsaps playing only away games with Centre and DePauw this year, both tough places to win, the Majors can't afford to start slow in these first 5-6 weeks and put themselves in a must win situation for every game in 2008.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on November 30, 2007, 10:36:00 PM
Trinity beat Austin College by 27.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 30, 2007, 11:46:30 PM
OU beat Birmingham Southern tonight 75-70 and Bham made a 3 at the buzzer.... should have been an 8 point game. 

OU dominated from the start as Craig Jackson was hot from 3 with a career high 19 pts and Ahmad Kareem Shaheed has his usual 13 and 4. 

Not sure how big of a win this is, (considering Bham is a team of Freshman and Sophmores), but OU is young too and it's good to see them get another win under their belt and some confidence going into a big conference game Sunday against Rhodes.  I think we'll be able to judge a lil more about this young OU team after Sunday...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on December 01, 2007, 07:55:14 AM
Rhodes beat Sewanee last night in an ugly game - lots of fouls.  Rhodes played well, but 3 Sewanee starters had the flu.  It did not effect the outcome, but the officiating declined to a new low.  There was no consistency in the calls on either end of the court.  Hats off to Rhodes, they won in front of Sewanee's biggest crowd of the year - at times the gym was almost full....................
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2007, 08:22:24 AM
An interesting start to the SCAC season with 3 blowouts on the first night with the only close game being the one that doesn't count in the standings. 

The blowouts spurred me to go back and look at the scores from last year because I was thinking that Millsaps never seems to blow out teams like the scores from yesterday.  In 2006-07, DePauw and Centre were 12-2 in the SCAC and Millsaps was 11-3.  Centre had 10 regular season wins where they won by double-digits, DePauw had 7, and Millsaps had 3.  I have a general impression from last year that Millsaps often built double-digit leads only to have them vanish as the game progressed.

I know the only thing that matters at the end of the game is who won, not the margin of victory, but the team that is consistently playing close games is the team more likely to lose a close game or two.  I'd like to see Millsaps hold on to some big leads when they start fast this season--I don't know if that will take better bench play than they got last season or if it will take more focus throughout the game.  Whatever it was that was missing last year, they'll need to find it this year in order to win the SCAC which seems to get tougher and tougher each season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2007, 02:47:51 PM
Gus,

In the unlikely event that you drop by the board because you aren't at the ball game, is there a problem with the live stats from Hendrix?  I clicked on the link but it is still displaying the stats from the men's games with Dallas on 11-20-07.  Thanks for any input that you have--if they aren't doing the live stats then I might as well run some errands.

Frank.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2007, 06:03:57 PM
Centre wins at home 78-64 over DePauw.

Link:  http://www.depauw.edu/ath/mbasket/index.asp?id=20474

No live stats on the Millsaps-Hendrix game today but the Hendrix SID posted the womens stat right away so maybe we'll have a score soon.

Box score just posted.  Millsaps wins 79-64 at Hendrix.  I haven't even looked at the box score.  Here's the link:

http://www.hendrixwarriors.com/stats.aspx?gs=1084
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 01, 2007, 06:35:26 PM
I just can't figure out what it is about playing Centre in that building.  They don't sell it out.  It's not some super-tough environment to go into. 

Whatever it is, you just can't win there.  Just something about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2007, 07:52:17 PM
DePauw and Centre looked even in the stats until you see the turnovers, 24 for DePauw and 11 for Centre (a result primarily of 15 steals for Centre to 5 for DePauw).  This also resulted in Centre's 32 points off of turnovers compared to just 8 for DePauw.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on December 01, 2007, 09:27:50 PM
Another foul-fest at Hendrix today.  49 total fouls called.  Neither team could get in any rhythm.  Both coaches & both teams were frustrated.  King, Foley, & Avery for HC all suffered from foul trouble the entire game.  Rose played but is obviously (3 pts) still limited by a recent ankle sprain.

HC made a nice run after halftime to cut what was a 16 pt lead down to 5, but Millsaps answered with a nice run to extend the lead back to double digits.

Hopefully the Warriors can bounce back against Ozarks & Dallas before the break.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 02, 2007, 12:22:23 AM
Who are some of the better players in the SCAC this year, i am not too familiar with any of the teams other than Sewanee and i know Pursell is a super stud in the SCAC, who are some of the other studs to watch?

Does Rhodes or Centre have any studs?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 02, 2007, 01:57:02 AM
Guys that I have been impressed with in the past are

Moore and Schott of Depauw  Both average double digits in point and Moore is almost averaging a double double with 9 assists per game as well

Nestheide of Centre  (last years POTY) enough said

Shaheed of Oglethorpe... good post  has double double potential every night.

Cory Smith of Rhodes... will put up points in bunches

Andrew King of Hendrix... a double double waiting to happen

Edrick Montgomery
from Millsaps is a force to be reckoned with in the post...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on December 02, 2007, 02:49:15 AM
 Hendrix's mini-run after halftime was possible because, briefly, the Warriors were able to control the tempo. Hendrix isn't made to run-and-gun, especially with a gimpy Rose.

But I'm not sure if any team can match Millsaps. I was very impressed with their defensive pressure, and they have guys who attack the basket like it owes them money. This will be a very tough team to beat.


Wes;

Not sure if it's different now that Centre has its new super-purty gym, but back in my day...HATED going there. One time, we played there on a Friday night and got absolutely smeared. I remember some guy sitting behind our bench wearing this hat with giant deer antlers sticking out of it heckling us the whole time. I could not wait to get out of there and to Sewanee...another place I really wasn't fond of.

The Danville trip is tough for a lot of teams. Plus, there were never any good hotels, and no place I could buy a bottle of something or other to shorten the Sunday night trip home (Coach Garrison, if you're reading this, I of course am talking about Sprite.)

If playing Centre at Centre is tough, I reckon it's just because Greg Mason goes out and gets such good players. Next to probably Rose-Hulman and DePauw, Centre's guys always had just about the best basketball IQ of anyone in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on December 02, 2007, 08:04:34 AM
Quote from: Gus Sinski on December 02, 2007, 02:49:15 AM

But I'm not sure if any team can match Millsaps. I was very impressed with their defensive pressure, and they have guys who attack the basket like it owes them money. This will be a very tough team to beat.


You're correct.  I wasn't trying to say Millsaps isn't a good team by any means.  Rogan, Bailey, & Montgomery are going to be difficult for anyone to match up with.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 02, 2007, 10:10:19 AM
Let me cover a lot of things so I don't have to get back to the Millsaps photos:

--The karma feature has its positives and negatives, literally and figuratively, and I usually don't fool with it.  Today I bumped a couple of -1's back to 0 and I gave Gus +1 for his take on road trips to Centre.  I wish those who can give karma points (people with 200 posts or more) would save their negatives for the people who are real jerks, and only then when someone comes across as a repeat offender.  Giving people negative karma, especially people new to the board, is a great way to diminish the number of people posting here which should hardly be anyone's goal.  Just remember all you Spidermen super hero types of the SCAC message board, "With great power, comes great responsibility."

--Matt, there are so many good players in the SCAC and most team have several players who can look like all-SCAC players on any given night.  Since Edrick Montgomery was a close second for POTY last season, he is an obvious pick from Millsaps along with Rodney Rogan who splits his talents over a wide area of basketball skills.  These two are usually good for 35-45 points a night and 15-20 rebounds (yesterday it was Rogan with 26 points, 8 rbs and Montgomery had 19 and 9).  Backing them up are plenty of guys who will burn you with at least 4 of them hitting for 15 or more points in a game this season.  I image the same depth of potential stars exists at DePauw, Centre and Trinity and maybe another school or two.

As for Pursell, I would be suspicious that he has hired you as a PR man if he didn't have the stats to back up your praise.  Sewanee has played solid competition so far and Pursell leads the conference in scoring and rebounding so he is living up to your hype.  This is a guy who only averaged 9.7 ppg (third on the Sewanee team) and 6.4 rpg last season so it sounds like he has taken it to another level this season, either because of improved talents or the team needs him to do more this season.  He is a big and impressive looking player, so I can see where he will be a handful for everyone this season, as will be several other post players in the SCAC.

--Gus, I always love your posts and I'm shocked that you couldn't find a Kentucky store selling Sprites.  It's too bad you weren't looking for something like bourbon because Kentucky is famous for that.   :)  As for winning at Centre, just winning on the road anywhere in the SCAC is difficult since it usually involves a long bus trip. When you throw in talented players with good fundamentals, a description that fits a typical Centre team, it makes it tough to leave Danville with a win. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 02, 2007, 05:53:59 PM
Big win for the Petrels today as the trailed early... but then went on a huge run that put the game out of reach.  Final Score  OU 92 Rhodes 71.

Watterson had a career night with 23 pts. and 6 Rebounds
Jackson 16 pts.
Allison  14pts.
Kennedy  8 reb  6 Ast.

Hoskins   20 pts
Smith   17 pts
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 02, 2007, 06:07:07 PM
Thanks Frank and Flight,
I guess you can kind of say I am a PR guy for Pursell.  He still lives in my shadow unless he makes all south like i did many years ago.  I did get the pleasure of coaching Ben this summer and he made huge strides in improving both his physical and his basketball skills.  He is the kind of kid that makes D3 ball so much fun.

Flight,
I have seen Shaheed play and i thought he was decent.  I can't wait to see my fighting scots play Centre and see how they handle Nestheide.  I saw him last year and was impressed.

Thanks a lot for the info
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 02, 2007, 06:28:24 PM
Matt, it just goes to show how difficult it is to judge players in the SCAC when you only see a player once.  I saw Shaheed play once last year and he hit 9 of 11 from the field and 6 of 7 FTs for 24 points to go along with 18 rebounds.  My thought was to wonder what this guy is doing playing D3 basketball. 

On the other hand, when you had a post this summer about this great player from Sewanee named Ben Pursell, I had no recollection of him from the Sewanee team since he only had 7 points and 7 rebounds in his trip to Jackson last year. 

It reminds me of something John Wooden once said about recruiting.  He said that given a choice between seeing a recruit play just once or not at all, he would rather not see the player play.  He knew that making an accessment based on one game might make him recruit a dud who played the best game of his career or he might pass on an All-American who played the worst game of his life.  (Keep in mind that this was era where the internet, game films, and high schoolers playing on cable TV were non-existent.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 02, 2007, 09:43:55 PM
Just as Frank said, it depends on when you see the player play.  I'm assuming the game(s) you saw Shaheed play have been against Maryville.  The games I have seen OU play against the 'Ville have not been good and I can't think that he did much against ole Bobby Golden up there.  Good luck against Centre... they get it done up there in Danville.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: daBulls on December 02, 2007, 09:56:13 PM
I agree with the previously posted list of good SCAC players.  I would add a few to keep a eye on as well:

BJ Moon from Trinity is a really tough guard who can hurt you in many ways, much like a Netheside.

Mike Moore and Stephen Schott are two good players from DePauw.

This one will probably not be very popular, but the Kaplan kid from Southwestern is a heck of a player in my opinion.  Big guard, strong, athletic, and can shoot it from deep.  Doesn't always score alot because of the style of play Southwestern has been playing the last few seasons.

I think Jared Hoskins is an up and coming player at Rhodes.  The kid can score.  He won a few games for Rhodes last year with his outside shooting and he has gotten a whole lot stronger and attacks the basket more this year.  It is early, but he is third in the conference in scoring right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 02, 2007, 11:46:28 PM
I certainly agree guys, physically one would wonder why Shaheed would be playing D3
Also, some nights guys look like all americans and some nights they don't, that is why coaches always want the guys who can do it night in and night out

I think anyone would have problems playing great consistently against Bobby Golden, or any all american for that matter, that is why they are all americans

I will be following the SCAC results closely this year

Centre always gets it done in KY
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on December 03, 2007, 02:54:00 AM
 Idly wondering...

With Hendrix's next game coming up against non-conference University of the Ozarks, I wonder if Cal Rose might sit things out in order to heal.

His kind of injury is the sort that is primarily aided by rest, and it's not as if a non-conference game really matters in the grand scheme of things.

And if it gives an added advantage to Ozarks, so be it. Trust me...anyone opting to spend their post-secondary years in Clarksville, Arkansas, deserves all the sunshiny moments they can get.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on December 03, 2007, 07:04:14 AM
Sewanee lost to BSC last night in maybe the team's worst performance in 3 years. However, I will say that BSC was not the pushover I thought - even though they are starting all freshman they can be competitive and will be a force in the SCAC in the future.  3 of the Sewanee starters are still suffering from the flu, but what worried me was the lack of effort.  The bright spot was freshman Garrett Hollingsworth played well and led the team in scoring.  He can give Pursell a rest or let Pursell move outside when both are in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 03, 2007, 08:52:39 AM
I'll state what most of the other SCAC readers are thinking--to say that Sewanee played their worst game in 3 years is quite a mouthful.  The last 3 years have not exactly been high points in Sewanee basketball history.

And even if they did play poorly and had players at less than full strength, let's give Birmingham some credit.  The win evened their record at 3-3 and that includes a close loss to Piedmont (91-93) and to OU (70-75).  Yes, I know that Sewanee handily beat Piedmont, but I also think that BSC beat Dallas and Dallas beat Sewanee, so my guess is that BSC has some fairly decent talent.

The good news for Sewanee is that it was a loss that doesn't count in the standings--it's far better to lose this one than to any of the other SCAC schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on December 03, 2007, 05:22:12 PM
Frank,
I've been to all but a handful of Sewanee games in the last 3 years and in terms of effort it was the worst.  As I said, BSC is not a pushover and they will be competitive.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 04, 2007, 11:14:47 PM
BSC is going to have a huge recruiting edge because all of their facilities are D-1 quality.     Another thing is that they're recruiting in an area without much D3 competition (basically Huntingdon).  Their roster is full of kids from AL and GA and those are areas with lots of athletic talent. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on December 04, 2007, 11:24:04 PM
I talked to the BSC coach and he is a first class guy.  He seems to know the game and the kids play hard for him.  They should be a powerhouse in the SCAC and the region for a long time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 08, 2007, 11:39:08 AM
Millsaps wins 78-66 at Pensacola Christian Friday night to improve their record to 5-1 with the loss being to D1 Southeastern Louisiana.  I haven't been able to find a box score even on the Pensacola website.  The Millsaps team continues their road trip with an important South Region game with Huntingdon this afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on December 08, 2007, 10:01:43 PM
 Hendrix looks less-than-inspiring in a 92-83 drubbing by the University of the Ozarks.

At the risk of dabbling in cliche, it's clear that the lack of senior guidance is hindering the Warriors. There have been some nights where Hendrix evokes Larry Bird, and other nights Larry the Cable Guy.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 08, 2007, 10:37:44 PM
Oglethorpe rallied to beat Lagrange in Overtime  95-90. 

Shaheed had his usual double double  with 18 and 12

Alex Richey came off the bench to provide a much needed spark with 16 and 4 (4-5 from 3).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on December 09, 2007, 12:53:07 AM
Millsaps completed a road sweep this weekend with an 81-71 win at Huntingdon this afternoon.  Don't know any specifics.

Good win for the Majors!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 09, 2007, 01:13:45 AM
Link to Millsaps-Huntingdon story:  http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball

Link to box score:  http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/mens_basketball/box_scores/12_08_07_millsaps

Millsaps plays NAIA Belhaven College on 12/17 (Monday), their only remaining game until Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on December 09, 2007, 11:32:54 AM
Sewanee lost to Mercer last night, but for the first time Pursell and Hollingsworth were on the floor together.  Maybe we will see this more in conference play.  Someone earlier posted about leadership - I think that is the key to the SCAC this year.  Looking at the past month - Sewanee beats Emory, loses big to LaGrange, Emory beats Oglethorpe by 30+ and Oglethorpe beats LaGrange - teams are up and down.  Upperclassman leadership may take a team a long way this year 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 14, 2007, 09:18:50 AM
Just wondering if anyone had any early season thoughts now that we are near the end of basically pre-conference play.  It's a little different this year with 4 from the East and 4 from the West getting to the SCAC Tournament.  It makes things a little tougher, especially for the teams in the West where 2 out of 6 will miss the tournament instead of the league wide 2 out of 10 last season.  On the East side it is only 1 of 5 that will miss the tournament because BSC is ineligible, so the number is the same as the league wide 2 out of 10 from 2006-07.

In the West you have Trinity undefeated and Millsaps is undefeated against non-D1 opponents, their only loss being to Southeastern Louisiana.  It seems like the West can be divided into 3 pairs with Trinity and Millsaps at the top, Hendrix and Southwestern in the middle, and Austin and Colorado at the bottom.  I can't say that I did a lot of research to back that up so I'd love to hear any differing opinions that might convince me that the groupings should be different.

In the East it is a little more confusing.  I would have thought DePauw held the #1 spot followed by Centre at #2, but the results of their game at Centre throws a wrench in the works.  My gut feeling is that DePauw is still the stronger team, but either way, they are clearly the top of the East.  After that, is it OU third followed by Rhodes and Sewanee?  And if that's the case, is OU actually closer to the top pair or the bottom pair.  Or to put it a different way, is it more likely that OU would finish 2nd in the East or 4th in the East.  I'd be curious to hear what others think on how the East looks after the first few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 14, 2007, 02:03:39 PM
Your view of the West seems to be right... I don't know much about the West but I always thought Millsaps was a really good team.  Trinity was ranked the past week and boasts an undefeated record but I still think it will finish Millsaps, Trinity, Hendrix, Southwestern.

As for the East- Depauw and Centre are at the top by themselves.  Obviously OU, Rhodes and Sewanee will battle it out for the final 2 spots.  I wouldn't look to much into OU's dismantling of Rhodes.  OU shot the ball really well and played one of their best games of the year.  OU will look really good one day and then horrible the next.  This could either translate into being a good team they're not supposed to... or loosing to someone unexpectedly.  I see this season following the pattern of SEC football... not much parity and everyone beating up on everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on December 16, 2007, 12:00:54 PM
I think the SCAC East could become clearer after the January 4-6 games.  OU and UOS go to DePauw and Centre. If either OU or UOS come out of the weekend with a split it could be interesting at the end of the season when when Centre/Depauw vist OU and UOS.  The analogy of SEC football is good, but with the SCAC teams beating up on each other it may decrease the chances for a second SCAC team to get an at large bid to the NCAA tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 17, 2007, 08:55:43 AM
Millsaps plays their last game before the Christmas break this evening, hosting local NAIA Belhaven College.  While it isn't a game that will be included in the South Regional rankings, I feel like it is an important game for Millsaps. 

Belhaven is a talented team, certainly comparable to the top tier in the SCAC, and it will be a good test for Millsaps.  Last year Millsaps got off to a slow start in pre-conference and the Belhaven game was somewhat indicative of that start.  Millsaps played with an uncertainty to start that game, almost like they didn't trust that their skills would be enough to win the game and they felt like maybe they had to do more than their normal game.  The result was a 10-point Belhaven lead at the half in a game that Belhaven eventually won by 9. 

I think this is a different Millsaps team this season and I think they will play with more confidence this evening than they showed last season.  What I'll be looking for this evening is the attitude of the Millsaps team--that will tell me more about the prospects of the remainder of the season than the final score of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 17, 2007, 10:41:19 PM
Trinity lost its first game tonight to Carthage College.  The Tigers had a 2 week layoff and the rust really showed.  They didn't hit a 3 pointer for the first 35 minutes of the game going 0-for-10 until the first one fell.  The overall FG% was 37%.  I'll be interested to see how they respond tomorrow night against Cal State East Bay.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 17, 2007, 11:33:52 PM
While it won't help improve their NCAA ranking, Millsaps got a nice win over NAIA Belhaven College this evening.  Belhaven jumped out to a 13-2 lead and Millsaps came back to take the halftime lead and then led all of the second half for a 75-70 victory.  Rodney Rogan had a big game with 25 points and 14 rebounds.  This leaves Millsaps at 7-1 going into the Christmas break with the one loss being to a D1 team.

Link to story:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/121707release.shtml

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 18, 2007, 12:18:05 AM
DePauw beat Rose-Hulman in Terre Haute earlier this evening for their first win in that building since 02-03.  53-52 final.  DePauw made 4 (four) FGs in the second half, but won it at the stripe.  Oilar with a 13-12 dub dub.  Freshman Steve Lemasters with 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 18, 2007, 12:37:07 PM
Box Score for Millsaps-Belhaven game:  http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/mc08.htm

I believe Edrick Montgomery played limited minutes due to a minor injury but Millsaps still won the rebounding battle thanks to 16 offensive rebounds.  With a 7-1 record at the moment and 17 games left in the regular season, Millsaps has a decent shot at 20 regular season wins if they continue to play like they did last night.  I don't have a media guide to consult, but I know that 20 win seasons are a real rarity in Millsaps basketball history.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SouthernBFIB on December 18, 2007, 01:35:16 PM
Was anyone as impressed as I was to O-thorpe fight back against a much better Emory team as I was. They could've mailed it in when it looked like Emory would roll but much creidt to the coaching staff and players for making it a game in the last 3 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 18, 2007, 02:11:34 PM
I thought the above post was an odd one considering that Emory won by 17.  I went in search for a story on the game and found the following:

http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=bkb6rteqx3wa5xon

In reading the story I see that OU did cut 20 points out of a 30 point lead so I see the point being made by SouthernBFIB.  On the other hand, there must have been times when OU look really bad in this game to find themselves so far behind in the first 20-25 minutes.  It seems like an earlier post indicated that OU has been inconsistent in their play this year and it sounds like this game is a good example.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on December 18, 2007, 03:36:34 PM
I wouldn't be so quick to put Millsaps ahead of Trinity in the west this year.  While on paper, Montgomery and Rogan look like they should have Millsaps as a SCAC favorite, yet they haven't proven to be as consistent through out the years.  Defensively, you know what you'll get from Trinity.  Coach Cunningham is by far the best defensive coach in the league and I don't think anyone could argue that.  So with a great defensive team, they will always be in games.  After a solid showing last year for such a young group, I think you'll find Trinity pulling-out quite a few close games that they would have otherwise lost last year.  Millsaps doesn't seem to have made very much improvement from year to year, if you ask me.  

Then again, you can take this for what it's worth since I am a Trinity supporter.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 18, 2007, 05:11:45 PM
As an obvious Millsaps supporter, I agree with Dave84.  Trinity has already proven that they are a quality team and they have the scheduling advantage this year.  In the crossover portion of the schedule, Millsaps plays DePauw and Centre on the road this year while Trinity gets those two in San Antonio. 

Can Millsaps go on the road and beat Centre and DePauw and is Trinity good enough to defend their home court against DePauw and Centre?  The answer to that should go a long way in determining the outcome of the West.  That's not discounting the chances of the other teams in the SCAC West, but between the two teams that are favored to win, Trinity has the easier schedule.

As for Millsaps not being significantly better this season, I can see that train of thought because they basically have the same team as last year.  I think the changes are in the intangibles with more maturity, more focus that comes with a group of seniors wanting to win a championship in their last go-round, and a bench that better understands their role with the team.  Keep in mind that Millsaps was 11-3 in the SCAC last year with those losses being by a total of 7 points (that did include two losses to Trinity), so they are a team where slight improvements over last year might go a long way.

By the way, I'm glad to see the post by Dave84 and SouthernBFIB--it's always good to get new voices involved in the conversation.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 18, 2007, 11:20:55 PM
Trinity bounced back well tonight.  They beat Cal State East Bay by 12.  BJ Moon led the way with 21.

Dave84 hit the nail on the head about Coach Cunningham and defense.  This is the third game in a row in which Trinity held the opposition under 50 points.  If the Tigers keep up the intensity on the defensive end, they will be in every game and be a tough team to beat at home or on the road.  If Frank E. is right about the schedule being in Trinity's favor, the Tigers have to be among the favorites in the SCAC.

Happy Holidays to everybody on this board!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 19, 2007, 08:48:40 AM
As we all know, there are 12 teams in the SCAC (11 eligible for the SCAC AQ), and I don't want to discount any teams this early in the season.  Road games are always difficult to win and on most nights it is a battle to defend your home court.  Add to that the possibility of key injuries or maybe even a key transfer coming into a program and things can get shuffled quite a bit.

That being said, let's go with the preseason SCAC voting and say that Centre, DePauw, Millsaps and Trinity are the top 4 teams.  If it came down to those 4 teams in the SCAC semi-finals, does anyone think that their team would be a lock to win the next two games and the SCAC AQ?  I don't think so, which is why it is so important that these teams have all gotten off to good starts with Millsaps and Trinity being a 7-1, Centre at 5-1 and DePauw at 5-2 (I didn't have the time to look up the records against just D3 competition).  Being in position for an at-large bid is a good backup plan.

While looking up the current team records, I see that the D3Hoops.com voters feel like Trinity is the favorite in the SCAC this year with Trinity being ranked 22nd this week.  Centre received 11 votes and Millsaps received none--I think the voters are still mad about Coach DuBose pulling his starters in the MC football game.  :)  I guess it doesn't hurt the motivation of the Millsaps team to be ignored so maybe it's good that they received no votes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2007, 12:34:20 PM
I don't think most people are overly sold on Trinity, fwiw.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on December 19, 2007, 05:33:47 PM
"Trinity is going to win 20 or 21 games," said Carthage coach Bosko Djurikovic. "They don't play in a league that's as good as the CCIW, so when we make a trip like this, we expect to succeed. Half a loaf isn't good enough. We have a chance to finish this trip 2-0, and that's what we want."

We (SCAC Fans) should be proud of SU to have perhaps changed this guys mentality about our conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: petey.petrel on December 19, 2007, 08:01:45 PM
To address frank and BFIB and FOP.  FOP, I would agree with you that OU has been pretty inconsistent.  I've seen them play really well and make think they might be pretty good, then the next game stink up the joint.  When they are playing well, I think they can play with the top teams in the SCAC but how often will they play that well?  I was worried with them losing all those seniors that they would be in for a tough year, but despite the inconsistencies I think they have a shot at a pretty good year so I'm more optimistic now than I was before the season.  They have some good new players especially #10.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 19, 2007, 08:14:31 PM
First, Congrats to SU for beating Carthage.  I think d3allstar is dead on when he gives props to the Pirates for "changing the Carthage coach's opinion of the SCAC.  We all like to say' "a win is a win" when the team we support wins ugly.  Of course the the flip side is, "a loss is a loss".  Trinity was coming off of a 2 week layoff in the game against Carthage and it showed.  But........"A loss is a loss".  If the Carthage coach was stating that winning 20-21 games in the SCAC (or any conference for that matter) is something less than a good accomplishment, I really have to wonder about him.  Maybe some of the long time posters here can enlighten me.  What purpose does it serve to degrade the competiton, especially when you already beat them?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on December 20, 2007, 05:07:02 PM
well, we can't blame the Carthage coach for thinking that about the SCAC to be fair.  It's not like the SCAC has sent too many teams into later rounds in the post season, i think only twice have we sent teams very deep into the tournament.  while we sit around this break waiting for our teams to pick their schedules back up, why not strike up some conversation about All-time SCAC.  Which team (single year or single class) would you say was the best in the short history of the SCAC?  I'd love to read some opinions of the more established posters on this one.  frank?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on December 20, 2007, 05:45:12 PM
Dave,
I'd throw out the 1994-95 Millsaps team (25-3) as a candidate for the best SCAC men's team ever. They outscored their opponents by 21 points a game and advanced to the third round of the NCAA tourney before losing to eventual national champion Wisconsin-Platteville. Phillip Robinson, Don Proctor, Brad Price, John Garber, Johnny Brunini and Zack Wallace are some of the big name players that come to mind from that team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 20, 2007, 05:52:26 PM
From the few seasons I've been around te SCAC I would have to say the Trinity team from 2004-2005 was pretty darn good.

Starting 5 of:
Sean Devins
Peter Murray
Andy Bates
Chad Stroeberg
Jason Morris
and Ross Burt coming of the bench!  That team was scary the one and only time I saw them play at OU, and they lost that game.

Another team I'd like to throw out there is the 04-05 Oglethorpe team.  They might not have finished with a good record but 5 players from that team will finish with over 1,000 career points.  Churchwell, Dickinson, Burr, Tulowitzky, Shaheed.... how that talented bunch didn't win more games is beyond me.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on December 20, 2007, 05:54:42 PM
I think you also have to mention the 2001-02 DePauw team (24-4). They made it deeper than any men's team in league history - losing to eventual national champion Otterbein in the sectional finals. Joe Nixon and Joe Ringger - both on the All-SCAC 15th anniversary team - along with Mike Howland and Jeremy Bettis. All four scored 1,000+ points in their career and Nixon and Rinnger are both in the top 10 in SCAC scoring.

A match-up between the 1994-95 Millsaps team and the 2001-02 DePauw team would be a heck of a game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 20, 2007, 10:24:36 PM
I was thinking that the Millsaps team would be high on the list and I must confess that I never saw them play.  I graduated from Millsaps in 1973 and have lived in Jackson ever since, but really didn't follow Millsaps athletics until my nephews played basketball and football there from about 1998-2004.  That 1994-95 team was complete with size and great outside shooting and it would be hard to put any team ahead of them.

I did see the DePauw 2001-02 team and in my biased opinion, I think the 2000-01 Millsaps teams was their equal when it came to playing inside the SCAC.  What the Millsaps team lacked, as is often the case, was the size and strength on the inside to do well in the NCAA Tournament.  DePauw certainly had that and they were a team very well suited for NCAA play.

The Trinity 2004-05 team was very talented and they did well in the NCAA Tournament, but I saw them split with a very young Millsaps team that finished 9-16 in 2004-05 so I can't say that I would rank them at the top. 

Based on games that I actually saw over the years, I would rank the Millsaps 2000-01 and DePauw 2001-02 at the top with the Trinity 2004-05 team third.  Based on what I believe but didn't see with my own eyes, I would put the Millsaps 1994-95 team as the best in SCAC history.  I certainly expect that others would have a difference of opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on December 21, 2007, 10:20:35 AM

To second SCACSID's pick; that 2001-2002 DePauw team was awesome. As a high school senior, I watched almost every SCAC team play at Oglethorpe that season and DePauw was the best. They were physically a very imposing team. Even though the OU team they were playing that season wasn't a good team, I was absoulutely impressed with DePauw.

Flightofthepetrel,
The 2004-2005 Oglethorpe team was a very streaky team and proved that they could compete with anybody in the SCAC on any given night, however, they didn't have a true physical presence. They were a shoot-em from deep, full court pressing team, that dropped back into an active 2-3 zone. They could shock a team once (especially at home in Dorough), but twice was too much for that team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 21, 2007, 10:01:30 PM
I will issue the correction for SCACSID.

The Depauw 2001-2002 team did not make it farther than SCAC men's team in league history.  Trinity 04-05 also made it to the sectional finals and lost to two-time eventual national champion UW-Stevens Point on the road. 

Stevens Point won their tourney games that year by 34, 18, 6, 23, and 24 (Pat Coleman, your site is an unbelievable thing and I thank you).  Anybody who saw that Stevens Point team in 04-05 or the year before knows how ridiculous they were.  Trinity was the second best team in the country that year.  They went through the regular season on relative cruise control (hence the loss to Millsaps, among others) but turned around to win the conference tourney games by 15, 19, and 19. 

People who saw the Millsaps teams in the mid 90's always say that they were pretty nasty. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on December 22, 2007, 10:58:08 AM
Good catch Carl...I had not added the 2004-05 Trinity team to my record book page for finishing in the Top 10 and overlooked that fact. There is no doubt that team is one of the best in conference history.

thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on December 24, 2007, 09:55:48 AM
Merry Christmas to all SCAC players, parents, and fans!

Let's all hope the new year brings safe travel, good sportsmanship, and an exciting conference basketball season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 24, 2007, 11:53:17 AM
Good Call, Hendrixfan!  The same to you and yours!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: petey.petrel on December 24, 2007, 01:20:22 PM
I think vozdelospetrels has a more realistic view of that 04-05 team.  You have to remember that the Shaheed of 04-05 was not the Shaheed of 06-07 or 07-08.  I didn't remember him even playing on that team so I checked out his stats.  While he did play a few minutes, he was 10-44 (23%) for the year.  When a post shoots 23%, that's pretty awful.  He's obviously developed nicely since then, but he was a nonfactor that year.  Tulowitzky also was not the 1st team player he later became that year.  He was a young sophomore that averaged 7 pts and shot 43%.

The 04-05 team was probably the smallest college basketball team I've seen.  Four guys 6' or smaller with a natural SF forced to play center and no bench whatsoever.  Most all HS teams are bigger.  Four of the guys mentioned from Trinity were  I believe 6'6 or taller, including a 6'8 and 6'11.  Only Churchwell would have even started for Trinity that year.  Only Churchwell would have scored 1000 points had they each gone to Trinity.  The OU guys have benefited from playing in a fast break type offense as opposed to a half court style so although they are all quality players, there stats are a little skewed because of style of play and the fact that they didnt have to sit for a year or two before playing.

That OU team was undersized in every game they played that year, but they were scrappy, could shoot the three, and could score in bunches so had a punchers chance every night out.  But like vozdelospetrels said they lacked size and an inside presence.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 24, 2007, 10:26:44 PM
I definitely wasn't saying the the 04-05 OU team would rank up with the greatest SCAC teams of all time... just noting that all 5 starters would end up scoring over 1,000 points by the end of their careers.  I think Burr would have started for Trinity, remember he did set the SCAC record for 3's in a career- only playing 3.5 seasons.  Tulowitzky had always been a scorer, but he wasn't needed to score on that team (see what he did his final 2 seasons).  I will agree with you that Shaheed was a non factor that year, but that wasn't my point.  Seems like you and VOZ seem to share a bunch of the same opinions... but like to analyze mine and point out any wrong in mine...   Maybe that's why you have 5 posts and a -1 karma?  and it wasn't from me.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on December 24, 2007, 11:26:45 PM
I thought that was a very honest post by Petey and didn't think that he came after anybody in a negative way.

No chance that Burr would have started for Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 24, 2007, 11:29:48 PM
Actually, I think all the OU posts make good points and I don't think anyone is really trying to take jabs at the other.  It's a valid point that OU has had some talented players in recent years and it is also a valid point that OU plays a style that allows those players to inflate their numbers over the players on the typical SCAC team.  It's also valid to point out that OU hasn't had enough players playing at their peak at the same time as evidenced by the fact that OU hasn't been over .500 in the SCAC since 1997-98.  

Personally, I like Coach Ponder and I think he has done a great job at OU in his first four years.  I've looked at the OU schedule for the rest of the year and Coach Ponder will have to do a truly outstanding job if OU is going to get over .500 in the conference this year.  They start 2008 with 5 road games that include Centre, DePauw and Millsaps.  They finally get home at the end of January to host Trinity and Southwestern, but then they have the long road trip to Austin and Colorado to start off February.  The only three home games they have in Feb. are Sewanee, Centre and DePauw.  There just aren't a lot of easy wins on a schedule like that.

In the meantime, Merry Christmas to everyone and thanks for supporting your SCAC teams.  I'm sure it is appreciates by the SCAC athletes at all the schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on December 25, 2007, 12:51:05 AM
Frank,

You are absolutely right about Oglethorpe's remaining schedule this season...it will be tough, but I've wittnessed and experienced enough SCAC games the past few years to know that on any given weekend in conferenec play, anything can happen. Road trips in the SCAC just seem to take the energy away from the visitors so often and the SCAC seems to be balancing out the past couple of years, with multiple teams being poetential conference champ candidates. It should be a fun conference season once again and I'm expecting many upsets. Merry Christmas, happy Holidays everyone!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on December 25, 2007, 09:30:34 PM
thanks "flightofthepetrel"... im glad you got my back.. I guess 43% just isn't good enough.. haha.. referring back to Burr.. i would say that he probably could have started for Trinity his freshman and sophomore year.. but with the numbers he put up his junior and senior year.. I'll say he definitely wouldn't have started for Trinity in those two years.. i also want to point out that the difference in his underclassmen years to his upperclassmen years is by far the most bizzare fall off i have ever seen..

I hope everyone had a great holiday.. and good luck to all
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachwgh on December 27, 2007, 06:57:35 AM
As you probably saw on the main page, D3hoops.com is coming to ATL.  I just wanted to let all of the SCAC folks know that this is due to the dilligent work of one of your own.  Phil Ponder at Oglethorpe sat down with some area coaches late in the summer and pitched the idea which we all thought was a great idea.  I am sure the schedule will be released soon but it should be a great trip for Pat and some great exposure for down south hoops. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2007, 09:28:10 AM
Yep, I'll write a blog post about it later today, work schedule permitting, then add it to the front to let everyone know.

Look forward to meeting you and the others.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2007, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2007, 09:28:10 AM
Yep, I'll write a blog post about it later today, work schedule permitting, then add it to the front to let everyone know.

Look forward to meeting you and the others.
That is great news for South Region basketball!

A new title

Pat Coleman, Ambassador Extraordinaire

Presenting Division III Athletics around the country and to the world!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 27, 2007, 11:28:41 AM
Hopefully we'll still be able to bring out a big crowd with all the students home for break to show you what OU basketball is all about.

Coach Ponder told me about the idea a few weeks ago...while it might have been his idea I'm sure he had a bunch of help from the coaches of Emory, Lagrange, Huntington and Piedmont-  Thanks to all of you as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2007, 09:06:57 AM
Heading out to Atlanta. Hope to see some good basketball this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on December 29, 2007, 10:59:54 PM
Trinity returned to action today with a 6 point win over Wabash College in San Antonio.  The Tigers got 34 points from their bench.  I'm really impressed with their depth and the lack of drop-off when the starters take a breather.  The team hit its free throws today which has been a glaring weakness so far this year.  Barrett Koch, Nick Polidoroff and Luke Caldarera are making HUGE contributions right now.  I think the Tigers look primed to make the SCAC very interesting   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 30, 2007, 06:39:00 PM
Millsaps got back on the court this afternoon and came away with a 89-69 win over Loyola of New Orleans.  I went to the Loyola website to see what kind of season they are having and it looks like they are having one of their best seasons in decades.  They were 7-2 coming into today's game, their best start in 40 years.  Included in the wins is a 78-71 victory over D2 Delta State University, usually a good program, and one of the losses was by 5-points to the #19 team in the NAIA Division 1.

The win moves Millsaps to 8-1 and I think they are 4-0 in the South Region.  The last two wins against NAIA teams don't help in the NCAA bid process, but they were good wins over quality teams and Millsaps seems to be playing a notch above the 2006-07 level.  It will be interesting to see how they play in home games against Southwestern and Trinity this weekend. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 31, 2007, 05:54:35 PM
A couple of links to the Millsaps and Loyola game:

Box score:  http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/mc09.htm

Game story:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/123007release.shtml

After looking at the box score I thought that Millsaps might have set a record yesterday for 3-pt shots made but they fell just short.  Millsaps hit 17 of 26 but the record is 21 by OU (Oglethorpe also set the attempts record in that game with 51). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 31, 2007, 10:30:51 PM
Got to see Centre play in their annual holiday tournament in Danville this past weekend.  In their opening game against Adrian College, they looked senior solid following the Christmas holiday.  Both Nestheide and Britt were poised & on their games.  The final against Berea was an ugly game and Britt carried the team on his back; otherwise the Mountaineers win a big one.  He hit 7 for 10 including 2 of 3 on threes, and all of his free throws.  Centre struggles against physical teams or in games where the officials allow physical play.  They are not a strong rebounding squad.  Like last year's championship team, they are gritty and hard-nosed on the defensive end.  They do miss the presence of a post player like John Patterson from last year's squad.  Amazingly, they're still 8-1 and really should be 9-0 after losing their opener to Rust at the LaGrange tournament back in November. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 31, 2007, 10:47:42 PM
Looking forward to seeing some SCAC conference action this weekend.  Planning to take in the Rhodes / Birmingham-Southern game.  Saw Rhodes once earlier and they look similar to last year with the exception being a deeper bench this go-round.  They have a good offensive tandem in Cory Smith and the sophomore Jared Hoskins.  Hoskins has the ability to hit threes in droves.  The Lynx still don't play much defense, but they can be tough on the home court on selected nights.  In the SCAC they could play spoiler to some of the top squads who have to make the trip to Memphis. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 01, 2008, 10:55:18 AM
That loss by Centre to Rust is a mystery result considering the paths of those two teams after that season opener.  I am also glad that we have reached that point in the season where most games are SCAC conference games.  That's what really counts and as pbrooks3 pointed out, there really is no certainty of an easy game on the road in the SCAC and there aren't too many breathers for the teams playing at home.  Here's the schedule for this weekend:

Jan. 4 
   8:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)   Hendrix     
   8:00 PM  Sewanee   DePauw     
   8:00 PM  Oglethorpe   Centre     
   9:00 PM  Southwestern (Tex.)   Millsaps     
Jan. 5 
   3:00 PM  Austin   Colorado Col.     
   3:00 PM  Birmingham Southern   Rhodes     
   9:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)   Millsaps     
Jan. 6 
   1:00 PM  Oglethorpe   DePauw     
   3:00 PM  Southwestern (Tex.)   Hendrix     
   3:00 PM  Sewanee   Centre

I took this from the SCAC website so I guess all of these times are Eastern times.  It looks like Hendrix will have live stats for their games and DePauw will have a radio broadcast.  To me it looks like the biggest game this weekend is the Trinity at Millsaps game, but I'm just as concerned about the Millsaps game with Southwestern as I am about the game against Trinity.  As most coaches like to say, the most important game on the schedule is the next game on the schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on January 01, 2008, 12:05:47 PM
Happy New Year, Frank.

Will the Trinity - Millsaps game be broadcast on the web?  If so, could you provide a link or point me to the website?

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 01, 2008, 11:40:38 PM
There are no broadcasts or live stats of the Millsaps games this year.  I'll post a score when I get home after the game but unfortunately, I don't have any way to post scores during the game.  It should be a great game, but I also expect the Trinity game at Hendrix to be a tough matchup as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on January 02, 2008, 08:12:38 AM
I saw UOS play at Huntington on New Years Eve.  Sewanee won easily.  I don't know how much good the game did the players since they have a tough road trip to Depauw and Centre this weekend.  It did give some of the younger guys some significant playing time.

I am staying in Indy for the Depauw game this weekend.  Anyone have suggestions as to where to stay, resturants, etc?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on January 02, 2008, 12:40:08 PM
I'd stay on campus at depauw, walden inn and make sure to go to marvins if they are open and get a burger and fries. Than again, if your not a college student, greencastle isn't that fun, so i'd probably stay around keystone mall in indy. Or you could stay in bloomington, which is probably closer, maybe an hour or little less, and get a feel for IU.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 02, 2008, 01:02:39 PM
sorry about posting the question before break and not responding.  not trying to go back to older conversations, but i would like to side with carl on saying  burr would have never started on trinity.  i feel that we all place a little too much emphasis on statistics (ESPECIALLY talking about 1,000 point scorers).  obviously, a player must be good to get to the 1,000 pt mark, but it may be an easier road for some than others.  in regards to the trinity team, i truly believe that 8 or 9 of the players from the '04-'05 team could have been 1,000 point scorers on several other teams.  5 players (morris, devins, murray, bates, and burt) actually did make it to the 1,000 point total.  this is an interesting statistic because they all played at least 3 years with each other.  This means that the scoring was a bit more balanced, and to defend trinity even further, they were always a more defensive minded team that did not place as much emphasis on putting up shots, as some other teams do.  i mean honestly, whose position on that trinity team could burr have taken?  sorry about making this one lengthy...

anyways, does anyone have any insight on predictions for this weekend?  trinity vs. hendrix/millsaps?  i know trinity lost to hendrix twice last season and are really looking for payback.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 02, 2008, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: irion on January 02, 2008, 08:12:38 AM
I am staying in Indy for the Depauw game this weekend.  Anyone have suggestions as to where to stay, resturants, etc?

You've got a 45 minute drive to campus ahead of you if you choose to stay in Indy.  If you stay in Cloverdale off of I-70, there's about every kind of hotel chain and fast food restaurant available and you are just 15 minutes from campus. 

If you're really set on staying in Indy, let me know what side of town you're staying on.  I can suggest a few restaurants.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2008, 04:58:26 PM
Trinity is on the road this weekend so that usually means two tough games.  It might help the road teams some that there probably won't be many students on campus, but few SCAC really have a significant home team advantage because of their rowdly crowds.

I don't really see Hendrix beating Trinity just going by what I've seen in the stats.  Andrew King has been the leading Hendrix rebounder in 8 of 9 games and the leading scorer in 6 of 9.  He is a very good player, but it doesn't sound like Hendrix has a strong enough supporting cast to pull off an upset of Trinity.

The Millsaps-Trinity game should be a good one, maybe as close as the football game was this year and maybe someone will win on a 70-foot shot.  With Trinity ranked #22 in the D3 Poll and Millsaps not even receiving a single vote, Trinity is obviously the favorite in this game.  It appears that both teams are better than they were last year, a year where Trinity won both games by a combined total of 5 points.  Can Millsaps turn the tables this year?  With no common opponents between the two teams this year it is hard to say, but it would be a pretty good guess that there probably won't be more than 120 points scored in the game and the winning margin will be 5 or less.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 02, 2008, 06:55:47 PM
good insight frank.  king has seemed to be the a solid player each year he's played.  it's interesting that hendrix has not been able to put the pieces around him to compete, I figured this year he would have a supporting cast.  As for the Millsaps/Trinity game, who knows maybe we'll end up with another Pontiac game changing performance (which, by the way, it would look great for the SCAC if everyone voted/told friends to vote for the Trinity football play - https://r.espn.go.com/espn/contests/07GameChangingPerformance/index?cmp=ncaafb07weekly).  As long as I can remember, Millsaps has always played Trinity close and vice versa.  With fairly similar styles of play, this weekend should make for terrific basketball.  It really all depends on how well Trinity's big men can handle Montgomery.  For the first time in a long time a freshmen has been contributing at Trinity in Luke Caldarera.  He is a very similar player to Rodney Rogan, in being a versatile 4-man/3-man.  I would predict that he could play as an x-factor for this game.  One key point of emphasis for Millsaps will be their guard play against BJ Moon.  He's a tough cover, and if I'm correct, turned out to be the difference maker in last year's matchup in Jackson.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2008, 06:55:58 PM
Latest poll released today. Trinity drops out and Millsaps picks up a handful of votes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2008, 09:32:15 PM
Well, since I prefer for Millsaps to be in the role of the team that gets no respect, I must point out that Trinity got over 14 times the number of votes as Millsaps received.  But hey, I'll gladly admit that Millsaps really hasn't beaten an upper level NCAA D3 team this season so I fully understand why they only have a handful of votes.  If they play up to their potential for the rest of the season, the all important NCAA rankings will turn out okay.

I'm not sure if there is anyone on the board who has seen both Millsaps and Trinity play so who can really predict how the game will turn out this Saturday.  I think the key for Millsaps will be thier balance and their added depth this season.  In 9 games, Millsaps has had 6 different guys as the high scorer.  If Montgomery is having an off night, Rogan seems to hit for 25.  If Bailey is missing from the outside, Oscar is hitting for 15 points.  And in most cases, someone comes off the bench to provide a nice scoring lift.  If Millsaps plays like they did against Loyola, then they will win the game--but how often does a team hit 17 of 26 from behind the arc? 

It has all the makings of a great game and it's a same that it won't be on the internet and it is taking place when the Millsaps students are still out on break.  But as I've mentioned before, the next game on the schedule in Friday night, not Saturday, and both teams need to make sure that they don't get caught looking ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2008, 11:08:12 PM
I still think Millsaps has got to be the class of the league on the western side of the conference this year.  Trinity looks very good defensively from the stat lines, but I think the Majors can win this weekend.  I know Centre is glad they're only playing Millsaps once and at Danville this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 03, 2008, 07:36:43 PM
a neat little side accolades for Coach Cunningham's Trinity program.  In '02-03, Trinity ended up #1 in the country in FG% defense with quite a large team.  Devins obviously being a huge reason for that statistic.  But I looked up on the NCAA stat leader board and found this year's Trinity team to be #1 in that category again.  This just shows how amazing of a defensive coach he really is, because this team is no where near the size and length as the Devin's era, but have still managed to be a nationally recognized defensive team.  I would definitely say Centre has been in the same mold the past half decade.  frank, will you be at the millsaps game with possible updates and game recap?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 03, 2008, 08:56:32 PM
Dave84, I agree.  Cunningham and Mason emphasize the defense for sure.  Centre has continued to improve in this area over the past 2-3 years.  Centre had the good fortune of having its own Devins-type player last year with John Patterson in the middle swatting shots aside.  John is now in Europe playing basketball.  That is the major difference between last year's squad and this year's - no established post presence in the Centre lineup.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 04, 2008, 08:25:29 AM
Dave, I'll be at the game taking photos but will have no means of providing updates.  I live 5 minutes from the school so I'll make sure and check the message board as soon as I get in on Saturday night and I'll post the results if they haven't already been posted.

HOWEVER, we are talking about Saturday night on the Millsaps-Trinity game and there are games this evening that should not be overlooked.  While I think Trinity should win on the road against Hendrix, I also thought the Trinity football team would win on the road against Rhodes, so Hendrix winning tonight is not outside the realm of possibilities.

As for Southwestern, it's hard to figure out much from their box scores.  They often have 10 players with double-digit minutes played, and while they lost their two games after Christmas, I noticed that they starters played a little less than normal.  Will the starters play a little more this evening and make Southwestern a tougher team?  I don't know, but it seems like a possibility.  As we saw in football, sometimes coaches play non-conference games and conference games a little different.  I expect two tough games for the Millsaps men this weekend and defending their home court with two wins is a key if Millsaps wants to win the West division.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 04, 2008, 10:17:59 AM
oh I totally agree about not overlooking tonight's hendrix game.  if anything, hendrix is a HUGE game for trinity because of last season's two losses.  On the topic of Southwestern, I really was expecting Matt Caplan to have a huge season, but it seems like he has been putting up similar numbers to last year, if not worse.  He had a solid year last year and has the skills/size to be a good wing scorer in this conference.  Every time I've seen him play, he's looked tough and played hard, so it will be interesting to see how he performs through out conference.  I'd love a recap on tonight's game, if you don't mind frank! thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2008, 09:27:26 PM
Ditto Frank.  I'd like to hear about the Majors.  While I'm a Centre partisan, I live 400 miles from campus.  My oldest child graduated from there in 04.  My son goes to Hendrix, but I live 2 blocks from Rhodes.  That's why I'll be at Rhodes tomorrow to check up on the new member, Birmingham-Southern.  Keep posting guys - it should be a fun SCAC campaign!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2008, 10:14:25 PM
Colonels move to 9-1 with an 80-68 win over Oglethorpe at Danville tonight.  DePauw won as well.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 04, 2008, 10:53:41 PM
Millsaps wins over Southwestern 66-57 after leading 43-25 at the half.  The 9-point final margin might have been the closest the game got after about 10 minutes of play.  Rogan had 20, Chris Sanders had 15, and Chad Songy had 13 for Millsaps.  Sanders led Millsaps with 8 rebounds in a game where Millsaps was outrebounded 46 to 29.  In double-figures for Southwestern were Ross Hayes with 13, Goran Stojcic with 11, and Ben Schleif with 11.  Stojcic led the SW rebounding with 8.

More in a little while after I get something started on downloading my photos to my PC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on January 04, 2008, 11:04:53 PM
Trinity beat Hendrix by 25 (75-50) tonight in Conway.  They never trailed in the game and held Hendrix to 23% shooting from the field.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 04, 2008, 11:15:20 PM
Box score on Trinity-Hendrix:  http://www.hendrixwarriors.com/stats.aspx?gs=1089
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 05, 2008, 12:08:54 AM
Trinity led Hendrix 39-23 at the half tonight and went on to extend the lead to a final score of 75-50.  Millsaps led Southwestern 43-25 at the half tonight and let the lead shrink to a final score of 66-57.  That sums up my biggest worry about the Millsaps basketball team.  I don't think I'm being negative by pointing out the obvious about Millsaps which is that no lead is safe when Millsaps is playing--they have the talent to come from way behind and for whatever reason, they have a bad habit of giving up big leads.

You old-timers like myself will remember the Austrailian tennis star Evonne Goolagong, an extremely talented player who won 7 Grand Slam tennis titles in the 1970's.  As talented as she was, she is just as well remembered for the several major titles that got away because she had a habit of cruising to a lead and then "going walkabout", an Australian term for losing her focus. 

In fairness to this year's team, I must admit that the problem isn't as bad this year as it has been in the past, but the second half tonight makes me a lot more concerned about tomorrow's game with Trinity.  That's especially true since in the first SCAC game this year Millsaps led Hendrix by 18 in the first half and that lead was cut to 5 on two occasions in the 2nd half.  You might be able to go walkabout against Hendrix and Southwestern and still manage a win, but I doubt that many teams will get a win if they lose their focus for long stretches against Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2008, 01:18:47 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2008, 09:27:26 PM
Ditto Frank.  I'd like to hear about the Majors.  While I'm a Centre partisan, I live 400 miles from campus.  My oldest child graduated from there in 04.  My son goes to Hendrix, but I live 2 blocks from Rhodes.  That's why I'll be at Rhodes tomorrow to check up on the new member, Birmingham-Southern.  Keep posting guys - it should be a fun SCAC campaign!

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/01/03/southern-hospitality-coaches-speak/

This won't help you with Millsaps but it will with Birmingham-Southern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 05, 2008, 06:54:08 AM
It has probably happened before, but it seems like a rarity that 4 SCAC teams have such good records after the Christmas break:

Centre:  9-1, with the one loss being the season opener to Rust by a 68-67 score, a game that still surprises me.

DePauw:  9-2, losing back-to-back road games at the start of December, at Centre 78-64 and at Wabash 71-60.

Millsaps:  9-1, the one loss being on the road to Division 1 Southeastern Louisiana, 73-55.

Trinity:  10-1, the one loss being to Carthage (Wisc.) 56-49 in the first game after the break for exams.

Either Millsaps or Trinity will fall to two losses this evening and then I think the next game between any of these teams is when Millsaps travels to Centre and DePauw on the last weekend of January.  The 2004-05 season is the only year that the SCAC has had 3 teams finish with 20 or more wins.  It certainly seems like that is a possibility this season with an outside chance that all 4 teams could hit that mark.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 05, 2008, 08:32:14 AM
One last post regarding Millsaps and Southwestern:

Link to game story:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/010408x2release.shtml
Link to box score:  http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/sumc.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2008, 11:14:04 AM
Frank, I saw the game between Rust and Centre.  It was the opener for Centre.  They were still trying to find their "defensive shoes" so to speak in that one.  It didn't help that Rust was on fire in the first half with lots of threes going in despite decent Colonel defense.  Rustiness at the foul line and not making a few clutch plays down the stretch prevented Centre from pulling out a win.  Believe me, Coach Mason still is unhappy about that loss.

Will be very curious to hear how the Trinity-Millsaps tilt goes tonight.  It seems that Trinity really has the defensive presence of years past going in 2008.  23% shooting for Hendrix on their homecourt is impressive.  I haven't seen the individual stat lines on that game, but you got figure Hendrix was having a bad night.  Andrew King usually makes the Warriors competitive.  Look out for the Texas Tigers!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 05, 2008, 11:54:32 AM
Hendrix definitely didn't have one of their better nights against Trinity on Friday.  King played well, but the injury to Foley left them too small to match up to Trinity's size.  Trinity also did a good job shutting down Cal Rose from the outside.
After beginning the conference season with tough games against Millsaps & Trinity, maybe the Warriors can bounce back Sunday with a good effort against Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 05, 2008, 02:15:35 PM
Anyone want to predict the score of the Millsaps-Trinity game tonight? I have watched Millsaps a couple times and am very impressed with them this year. Just based on Trinity's scores and statistics thus far, I would say Millsaps by about ten. That might not be fair to Trinity though because I haven't had an opportunity to see them yet, but looking forward to the game tonight. I know Trinity had some trouble with Texas Lutheran and Hardin-Simmons, two teams Mississippi College handled by 18 and 21.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2008, 06:18:34 PM
Just watched the Rhodes Birmingham-Southern tilt

Final Score:
Birmingham Southern  70
Rhodes 58

3 guards for B-S all score double-figures
Rhodes-Smith 13  Hoskins 12 and Thompson 11

Herb Hilgeman (Rhodes Coach) is obviously searching for the right combos for his squad. He sat Cory Smith for significant portion of 1st half.  Lynx looked lethargic and uninspired.  Standard defense - play it for 20-25 seconds & then fold.  B-S took what Rhodes would give them and maintained a comfortable lead during opening 20 minutes. 2 very mediocre teams at best.  Rhodes had 1 decent run to start 2nd half. They got few calls from the officials, missed many cripple shots and never got the loose balls.  Otherwise, they had a shot at winning the game.

B-S could be a sleeper in their own D1 gym.  If the crowd and the 3-pointers are going down strong, they'll win some home games against SCAC opponents.


Tonight - I like Millsaps in a reasonably tight game 70-64.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 05, 2008, 10:20:32 PM

Just read that Trinity trails by a bucket at half time at Millsaps.  Can anyone provide more insight?  That game has to be almost over by now, 9:20 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2008, 10:26:11 PM
Think we'll have to await word from Frank on the game.  I, too, can't find any additional info.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 05, 2008, 11:01:27 PM
TU 67
Millsaps 73  F

according to the SCAC scoreboard.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 05, 2008, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2008, 06:18:34 PM

Tonight - I like Millsaps in a reasonably tight game 70-64.


Not bad...   only off 3 points each way, Vegas would be proud.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2008, 11:05:52 PM
Looks like Frank and his Majors got a big win.  I had picked the Majors to win, and they did on the margin I predicted - 6.  

Expect a full rundown of the game from Jackson soon I hope.

Congratulations Majors!  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2008, 11:08:22 PM
FlightofthePetrel, listened to the Pat Coleman interview with Philip Ponder earlier.  He gave a good accounting of the program and school. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 05, 2008, 11:10:23 PM
The Millsaps-Trinity game tonight was a classic matchup that was very close for about 34 minutes and then Millsaps hit the only real streak of the game to get a lead that went between 8 and 11, holding on at the end in the typical free throws in exchange for 3-point attempt that you see at the end of a game.

Scorers for Millsaps:  Edrick Montgomery 16, Rodney Rogan 15, Chris Sanders 10, Chad Songy and Allen Odum with 9, Lorenzo Bailey 8, and Blake Martinez with 6.

For Trinity:  Patrick Robinson 20, Luke Caldarera 10, B.J. Moon 8, Charles Houston 8, Barrett Koch 8, Nick Polidoroff 7, Mike Gilb 4, Jonathan Lewis 2.

More to come...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 05, 2008, 11:13:02 PM
I'm glad you like the interview.  I believe Coach Ponder gave a pretty accurate account of the state of the school and D3 basketball as well as recruiting.

Any chance you'll entertain us with predictions for the Sunday games... I'm interested in what you might think about the OU v. Depauw game.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2008, 11:24:03 PM
Early guess - DP 81; OU 72
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Post by: frank_ezelle on January 05, 2008, 11:25:46 PM
More from the box score:

--Trinity won the rebounding stat by a big margin, 47 to 23.  They may not have anyone quite the height of Sean Devin but they have plenty of big guys.

--Millsaps hit 26 of 60, 11 of 30 3-point attempts, 10 of 16 FT.  Trinity hit 28 of 61, 6 of 25 3-point attempts, and 5 of 6 FT.  

--Offsetting the rebounding margin, Millsaps only committed 6 turnovers compared to 18 for Trinity.  Millsaps was credited with 14 steals.

On the flow of the game, the play by play sheet will probably show that for most of the game the lead was 3 points or less.  As mention in the previous post, Millsaps went on a mini-run late in the game and I think it was started by two Chad Songy buckets and an assist.  Songy started both game this weekend since Deonte Oscar is on the injured list at the moment.

One last note on the game.  Rodney Rogan's 15 points came in 22 minutes of play as he sat out the last 18 minutes with an injury.  It was on a lob pass near the basket and Rogan was going towards the basket while Mike Gilb was backing up, resulting in Rogan getting undercut and landing hard on the baseline.  There was a cut to the head and it looked like a sore hip--Rodney did some jogging on the sideline after the fall but they didn't put him back in for the remainder of the game.

I think that's about it.  This marks the first 7-game win streak at Millsaps since 2000-01 and it breaks a 6-game losing streak to Trinity.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2008, 11:52:05 PM
I believe Millsaps is the toast of the town in Jackson!  Trinity is rebounding and defense, Coach Cunningham's favorite words.

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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2008, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: hendrixfan on January 05, 2008, 11:54:32 AM
Hendrix definitely didn't have one of their better nights against Trinity on Friday.  King played well, but the injury to Foley left them too small to match up to Trinity's size.  Trinity also did a good job shutting down Cal Rose from the outside.
After beginning the conference season with tough games against Millsaps & Trinity, maybe the Warriors can bounce back Sunday with a good effort against Southwestern.

What is the extent of David Foley's injury?  He was having a good season from what I could tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 06, 2008, 12:44:56 AM
One more post on the Millsaps-Trinity game.  Here's the game story written by Millsaps SID Kevin Maloney:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/010508release.shtml

Box score link along with the play by play:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-010508.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 06, 2008, 08:02:51 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2008, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: hendrixfan on January 05, 2008, 11:54:32 AM
Hendrix definitely didn't have one of their better nights against Trinity on Friday.  King played well, but the injury to Foley left them too small to match up to Trinity's size.  Trinity also did a good job shutting down Cal Rose from the outside.
After beginning the conference season with tough games against Millsaps & Trinity, maybe the Warriors can bounce back Sunday with a good effort against Southwestern.

What is the extent of David Foley's injury?  He was having a good season from what I could tell.

A high ankle sprain is all I've heard.  No idea on when he will return.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on January 06, 2008, 03:29:04 PM
Surprising game going on at DePauw with OU ahead 62-59 with just under 9 minutes to play.

Link to live stats:  http://www.depauw.edu/ath/live/men/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 06, 2008, 03:51:38 PM
Game just over at DePauw.  Oglethorpe had an 8 point lead with 2:29 to go, DePauw hit a couple of three's to cut it to 2 with 1:03 to go.  OU held the ball until :06 thanks to a missed shot and an offensive rebound, but missed a FT at the :06 mark, DePauw got the rebound, but failed to score.  Final score, OU 69 and DePauw 67.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 06, 2008, 04:02:49 PM
Yea, ended a 20 game home winning streak.  My prediction on this game was way off.  DePauw will come into Memphis Friday night with a mean streak for Rhodes.  Oglethorpe apparently outrebounded DP big time.  This is a great road win for the Stormy Petrels.  Glad they took care of business today rather than Friday night at Danville.  Some of these road wins this weekend are surprising, but it just goes to show you the good, competitive basketball that is played in the SCAC.

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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 06, 2008, 04:38:37 PM
Southwestern is about to go down to defeat at Hendrix - 71-60 with 24 seconds to play.  Andrew King looking big with 21 points and 18 boards.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 06, 2008, 04:39:54 PM
Final - Hendrix 72 Southwestern 60

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 06, 2008, 04:42:29 PM
Scores from the weekend so far with the Hendrix win over Southwestern not included and the Sewanee at Centre games still in progress I assume:

Jan. 4  8:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)  75  Hendrix  50  Final   
   8:00 PM  Sewanee  63  DePauw  80  Final   
   8:00 PM  Oglethorpe  68  Centre  80  Final   
   9:00 PM  Southwestern (Tex.)  57  Millsaps  66  Final   
Jan. 5  3:00 PM  Austin  63  Colorado Col.  56  Final   
   3:00 PM  Birmingham Southern  70  Rhodes  58  Final   
   9:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)  67  Millsaps  73  Final   
Jan. 6  2:00 PM  Oglethorpe  69  DePauw  67  Final   
   3:00 PM  Southwestern (Tex.)   Hendrix     
   3:00 PM  Sewanee   Centre 

It may take a while to get the Sewanee-Centre score but it looks like the only real surprise of the weekend was the OU win at DePauw.  Austin won on the road against a Colorado College team that is still winless.  Birmingham Southern won at Rhodes, maybe a little bit of a surprise, but BSC did come in with the better record. 
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Post by: frank_ezelle on January 06, 2008, 04:57:34 PM
In the final result of the weekend, Centre wins over Sewanee 85-68.

Box score:  http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/box_scores/0708/cen-sewm.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 06, 2008, 04:59:03 PM
I would agree on outcome so far.  My surprise with the B-S Rhodes game was how easily Birmingham-Southern won.  I think Rhodes needs to look forward to playing Colorado College!

Good for Centre partisans like me; Colonels win 85-68.
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Post by: d3allstar on January 06, 2008, 05:15:58 PM
i saw hendrix shot 50 free throws in their win vs. su. is that a record? and if anyone was there, any explanations for why hendrix got that many attempts??
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 06, 2008, 05:23:38 PM
I looked at action during the last 5 minutes of the game.  Hendrix earned lots of trips to the line down the stretch as Southwestern attempted to get the ball and cut into the Hendrix lead.  As for the first 35 minutes I can't say; don't know about any records on this.
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Post by: DPULefty22 on January 06, 2008, 05:38:06 PM
Rough loss for the Old Gold this afternoon at home. 9-of-31 from the 3-point line sure isn't going to get it done. Despite being outshot, DePauw had a shot to win with 6.5 seconds left when OU's Eric Palmer missed the front end of a one-and-one. DPU grabbed the rebound and could have called their final time-out, but they did not and Mike Moore couldn't get his desperation three off before the buzzer.

OU is an improving young team, but DPU should have beaten them at home, where they hadn't lost in their last 20. Give Phil Ponder's guys credit - they made more shots and wouldn't let DPU take the game over in the second half. Every time the Tigers got it to 1 or 2, OU would respond with the next five or six points.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 06, 2008, 09:45:23 PM
Congrats to Andrew King, who grabbed 18 rebounds to give him 501 for his career.  1,000 points and 500 rebounds is pretty impressive for a junior!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 07, 2008, 09:36:44 AM
Wow, it sounds like it was a good game there in Jackson!  I'm very excited about this Trinity team.  A close loss on the road against a more experienced Millsaps team and a solid victory at Hendrix could be taken as a positive for this group.  It seems like Patrick Robinson really shot well this weekend.  I hope Rogan bounces back from this injury, as I've grown up as a friend of his and would hate to see his senior season plagued with injury.  Thanks for the postgame summary Frank.

does anyone have a breakdown of what happened in the OU/Depauw game? 
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Post by: spfan22 on January 07, 2008, 10:19:49 AM
First let me say I have alot of respect for the depauw program.. they have a very good team but I just didnt think they would be quite as good this year.. losing their best shooter in Sakel and one of their best players in Brown was a big loss.. he did everything.. rebound, play great defense, and score the basketball with his slashing mentality

Oglethorpe's biggest problem this year has been getting off to slow starts.. with a young team like that you have to get off to a good start to give yourself confidence that you can play with good teams like depauw, centre, millsaps and so on.. they got off to a terrible start at centre on friday and ended up being down 23 at half.. they bounced back and got off to a great start against depauw.. they gained confidence early, which is huge when playing road games..  from the webcast it sounds like depauw didnt shoot well and got killed on the boards which is a rarity for depauw

Also.. matchups play a huge rule in basketball and I think this years OU team matches up well with Depauw
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 07, 2008, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: Dave84 on January 07, 2008, 09:36:44 AM
It seems like Patrick Robinson really shot well this weekend.

Robinson was huge Friday night.  It seems that every time Hendrix needed a stop on defense, Robinson got loose and nailed a big shot.  Can't say much for style points on his shot, but the results are all that matters!
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Post by: Dave84 on January 07, 2008, 05:17:22 PM
haha, ah yes, the shooting form of Patrick Robinson.  Trinity seems to have a way with good unorthodox shooters.  Robinson's shot reminds me of an Andy Bates' shot for those of you who remember him.  Elbow flairing out and all, but hey, i guess that goes to the argument of "if it goes in, then it's okay."

I've been around the DePauw program long enough to know that they are a tough team year in and year out.  Moore has always impressed me with the ability to push the basketball.  Brown was a solid player, but I feel like he fed off of his teammates more than created for himself.  This is mainly because they have always had solid low posts as long as I can remember. 

what are the matchups for this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 07, 2008, 06:23:41 PM
Friday:
Hendrix at Austin  (like Hendrix in tight finish)
Centre at Birmingham Southern (Centre by 5)
DePauw at Rhodes (DP by 18)
Millsaps at Colorado College Millsaps by 16)

Saturday:
Southwestern at Trinity (Trinity by 20)
Hendrix at Colorado College (Hendrix by 10)
Oglethorpe at Sewanee (Sewanee wins at the buzzer)

Sunday:
DePauw at Birmingham Southern (DP wins by 15)
Millsaps at Austin (Majors by 11)
Centre at Rhodes (Colonels by 10)


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 07, 2008, 07:03:23 PM
I'd like to comment on a few of the upcoming games.

Just curious why you picked Depauw to beat Rhodes by 18  and Centre to only win by 10... as well as Centre beating Bham by 5 and DPU winning by 15?  Centre beat Depauw... as well as every other SCAC team they've played, handily.  It only make sense that they would be winning by the larger margin- especially against the weaker SCAC East Teams.

I believe the DPU at BHAM will be alot closer than 15.  Birmingham started off rough at the beginning of the year but I believe they've hit their stride.  They recently just lost to Emory by 5.  I think this game will be closer than 15 and wouldn't be surprised if Bham pulled off the upset.

Oglethorpe and Sewanee has always been an unpredictable game but after OU's upset of Depauw I see them going to the mountain with a load of confidence as well as focus b/c OU now controls their own destiny to capture the East #2 seed...  Both teams have had up and down years, playing spordaic ball to say the least.  I think the game will be close but OU should come out with a win and a 3-1 SCAC record at the mid point.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 07, 2008, 08:07:53 PM
Petrel Flyer, I acknowledge that Centre probably can generate a win by more than 10 points over Rhodes.  History, however, dictates that Centre will not try to run up the score, especially if they're comfortably ahead mid way through the 2nd half. 

My OU Sewanee prediction is based on what I saw happen 2 years ago over on the mountain when a far superior Centre team went in there and got their sneakers handed to them.  That game could go either way, but with a young team, OU will find this to be a challenging game.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 07, 2008, 08:52:19 PM
well I obviously like your Trinity +20 prediction against Southwestern, but I'd like to point out that regardless of either teams' talent level, this rivalry has been a close one.  It's sad that Coach Raleigh hasn't had a team win the conference or make it to the tourney yet, they have had some pretty good talent come through there the past half decade.  The Bowser class was a good group but couldn't seem to finish in the end.  On that note, Bowser was POY his junior year, which led to his placement on the SCAC 15 yr reunion team.  Nothing against him, because he was a good player, but how could he have been chosen in front of Trinity's Jason Morris?! This just defends my case that we (and SCAC voters) rely too heavily on statistics.  And what baffles me even more is that if we are going by stats alone, Morris is the #10 all-time scorer in the SCAC WITH 3 straight Conference titles and trips to the NCAA's!!!  haha, then again, I could go on forever about Trinity not getting post season love from the voters, haha.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 08, 2008, 09:01:33 AM
Dave, I just going off my vague memory with this comment and also it should be noted that like everyone except the Trinity fans, I only get to see Trinity play once or twice a season.  There's no question that Jason Morris was a very good player, but many very good players didn't make the SCAC 15th anniversary team. 

I can't remember if Jason Morris started his freshman year, but my impression is that he was a very good player early in his career which made everyone think that he would just be incredible by his junior and senior year. But, he never really got any better.  That might be because the talent around him was better so he didn't have to do as much in the way of scoring, etc, but I don't remember thinking of him as the one key guy that Millsaps needed to stop.  On a different team, it's quite possible that Jason Morris would have put up the stats that would cause people to think of him as one of the best all-time in the SCAC. 

Let's face it, winning awards and finishing high on the league stat lists is a combination of talent, timing, where you play, and even what style of play your team runs.  It does get back to your argument that stats might figure too heavily in the equation, but when trying to compare players from different eras it is hard to come up with any other solid basis of comparison.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 08, 2008, 01:01:56 PM
That is a very good point.  BUT i feel that the winning column should be weighed upon more heavily.  Trinity had 5 solid years (from '01-02 w/ a 2nd place finish to '05-06 with a 12-2 conference record) in a row and 3 consecutive championships without 1 player being named POY of the conference.  There is no doubt in my mind that Sean Devins was the best player in the conference and biggest game changer, but because he didn't put up 15 and 10, he wasn't even considered in the POY.  And to argue further on the Morris issue; an "all-time" team should probably consist of players who made a great impact over a 4 year span.  Morris started for 4 years on a team that dominated the SCAC and managed to consistently score double figures and be a "go to" scorer in clutch situations.  and i totally agree with you on your last comment.  I always felt that 4 or 5 guys from that Trinity team could have been 2,000 point scorers if they were on a lesser team or faster paced team.

sorry, not trying to complain, just striking up conversation during the "basketball down time" of the weekday, haha. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 08, 2008, 01:04:39 PM
oh, and hopefully Millsaps will get some love from this week's top 25!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 08, 2008, 05:55:05 PM
I thought Devins was the league difference maker his senior year. Should have got POY inspite of not having big stats. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 08, 2008, 07:10:59 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 08, 2008, 05:55:05 PM
I thought Devins was the league difference maker his senior year. Should have got POY inspite of not having big stats. 

I disagree.  Sean Devins was the league difference maker on defense.  That's the reason he won the defensive POTY.  That's the purpose of having such an award.

Aaron Bowser of Southwestern won the POTY that year.  Yet, if I recall, that was the year of the controversy surrounding Russ Churchwell of Oglethorpe not winning the award.  That's right, isn't it?  Led the league in scoring at almost 20 a game and was near the top of the heap in many others. 

I don't recall the exact details surrounding that issue, but I think it was deduced that one coach left him off of his ballot entirely, which gave the award to Bowser.  Seemed rather puzzling that a coach would do that considering Churchwell's dominance for 2 full seasons in our league.  I believe there were a few people who thought one of the coaches in our league may have done that intentionally.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2008, 07:56:03 PM
I, too, remember the Churchwell incident.  He was the offense for Oglethorpe and no one stopped him very well.  I also remember the talk of the coach leaving off the ballot completely.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 08, 2008, 08:21:20 PM
As one who was involved in the Churchwell controversy enough that I actually received emails from a few SCAC coaches, I would suggest that it is probably a subject that is best left unvisited.  It did center around the idea that team success is a factor when considering the POY, a idea that is used a lot in picking post season awards.  To the victor goes the spoils.

For what it's worth, Churchwell, Bowser and Devin are 3 of the 13 players selected on the 15th anniversary team.  It was obviously 3 very talented players competing for the POTY honor.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 08, 2008, 09:15:57 PM
Oh and I totally agree that those 3 players were tremendous.  And this brings up a great argument as to the emphasis placed on the win column.  Churchwell did not demand the same amount of attention that Devins did offensively.  YES, he scored 20+ a game, etc. etc., but teams wouldn't change their entire strategy because of him.  He was going to shoot and get the ball regardless, because coaches knew that even if he scored 20 or 30 points, his team wasn't able to come out with victories.    now, devins commanded double teams every time he got the ball on the block, which opened up players around him for scoring opportunities.  And when did POY go to the best offensive player statistically, because if I remember correctly, being the player of the year meant that you had the biggest impact in winning games night in and night out.

also, as i recall, eric dickenson was the 2nd leading scorer in the league that year.  I think that really hurt Churchwell's chances at POY, just as the trinity team hurt Devins.

Bowser won it that year because Southwestern surprised everyone by ended the conference season with the #1 seed.....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 08, 2008, 09:31:22 PM
when we played trinity we didnt double on the post.. the other players were just too good.. trinity didnt run many sets that utilized Devins in the post.. he would have one on one matchups and stiil sometimes not look to score.. he just wasnt an aggresive offensive player.. I disagree that teams completely changed their defensive principles to adjust to Devins..  despite that fact he was still a great player.. his defense was what teams feared
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 08, 2008, 10:34:30 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on January 08, 2008, 07:10:59 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 08, 2008, 05:55:05 PM
I thought Devins was the league difference maker his senior year. Should have got POY inspite of not having big stats. 

I disagree.  Sean Devins was the league difference maker on defense.  That's the reason he won the defensive POTY.  That's the purpose of having such an award.


I stirred things up a bit!  Wes Anderson makes a good point about Sean Devins and the other great SCAC players from that season.  From my perspective watching how he controlled the game defensively made him the POY.  Of course, I have a bias in favor of good individual and team defense as opposed to the offensive side of the ball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 08, 2008, 11:01:11 PM
Quote from: spfan22 on January 08, 2008, 09:31:22 PM
when we played trinity we didnt double on the post.. the other players were just too good.. trinity didnt run many sets that utilized Devins in the post.. he would have one on one matchups and stiil sometimes not look to score.. he just wasnt an aggresive offensive player.. I disagree that teams completely changed their defensive principles to adjust to Devins..  despite that fact he was still a great player.. his defense was what teams feared

This has come up before with most Trinity fans thinking Devins was a great offensive player and everyone else thinking he wasn't.  Millsaps didn't double up on Devins even in the year that they were playing with a 6'1" post man.  For whatever the reason, Devins was a 6'10" center in a league of 6'6" post players and he never averaged more than 13 ppg.  If he had been averaging the 20 ppg that one would have expected, then he might have been double teamed.

The way I see it, the fact that he is on the 15th Anniversary team is a testament to how well he played on defense because his work on the offensive end was just average.  At least it was average when he played against the undersized Millsaps teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carlweathers on January 09, 2008, 04:34:22 AM
Saying Sean Devins' work on offense was average is laughable.  Every time his Trinity teams needed a bucket in a tight game, that is where they went.  That wasn't an accident.  Ask Southwestern, the second best team in the SCAC for much of that era.  He shot a high percentage, banged 3's, threw passes, and got to the line and was nearly an 80% ft shooter. 

I believe the undersized Millsaps team you refer to was 03-04.

1st meeting, at Trinity - 19 minutes, 2-3 fg, 5 points, 5 rebounds, but he did hit the all crucial bucket with 5:33 left to make it 61-28 to secure the big win.
2nd meeting, at Millsaps - 32 minutes, 6-13, 18 points, 14 rebounds, 1-1 from 3, in a close game where he was needed to score.  Average?  He scored about 30% of his teams points.  Only Morris was also in double figures for TU.
3rd meeting, at SCAC - 20 minutes, 5-7, 13 points, 6 rebounds, game was never close, Devins ties for high scorer with Morris.

Average numbers?  Perhaps, but a little bit of context does matter.

Using his point average as a method of coming to that conclusion doesn't stand up too well.  Look at the minutes he played.   He never averaged more than 26 minutes a game.  Bet that scoring average would have been higher if Trinity a) had not been so talented across the board and b) had been in closer games so the kid played bigger minutes. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 09, 2008, 07:53:03 AM
That is the year I was referring to and Devins was matched up against 6'1" (at best) Carr Van Brocklin.  Carr was playing center because he was the biggest starter Millsaps had that year (they did have a 6'8" center who would play a few minutes each game).  If anything, Devins numbers against such an extreme mismatch proves my point.

BUT, as I said earlier, this Sean Devins debate has been rehashed over many pages in the past.  He was a great player and a very key player on some great Trinity teams.  Could he have been a great offensive player if Trinity needed him to be?  I'm sure that he could have put up bigger numbers if Trinity had used him more in the offense.  I just never saw the great offensive skills in the limited number of times that I saw him play.  Those of you who saw him more have a different opinion and that's fine with me.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 09, 2008, 01:09:00 PM
pbrooks, i couldn't agree more with you about Devins. 

Frank, I noticed that Millsaps didn't manage to break into the top 25 this week.  Personally, I'd love to know how neither 10-1 team from the SCAC has broken in.  Oh well, I guess the SCAC can't really argue much until we start putting up better results in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: billzeffer on January 09, 2008, 01:14:20 PM
I think it was pretty obvious to anyone that followed Trinity basketball over the course of Devins career that he was an extremely talented player who was surrounded by players equally as talented.  Therefore, he had no reason to dominate games because the Trinity team was exactly that, a team, and played to win games not personal recognition.  During the seasons from '01-'02 to '05-'06 Trinity had 7 players that could have played division 1 ball but chose to go to Trinity instead.  When you have that many good players on one team it's going to be hard for any one of them to dominate.  With all that said Devins was hands down the best and most feared defensive player the SCAC has seen in the past 15 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 09, 2008, 01:24:47 PM
hey pbrooks, if you're in TN do you get over to very many Rhodes games?  I noticed that Cory Smith was leading the league in scoring, but was wondering if it's in the same fashion that Joey Garcia scored a few years back.  Rhodes always had a couple of players who were "shoot first, pass second" and i was wondering if he falls into that category, or is he just having an exceptional year in scoring?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 09, 2008, 02:01:58 PM
Cory Smith is a scorer.. he is a little inconsistent.. he has games of 5 or 6 points and then will bust out and have a 35 point game.. his team isnt all that great so he has to score for his team to be in games.. he is similar to Joey Garcia.. However, I think he gets to the free throw  line a little more than Garcia did.. he is also a little better with his slashing and mid-range game.. Garcia was a little better perimter shooter than Smith is.. overall.. i would assess that they are very similar players with a few differences here and there
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on January 09, 2008, 10:06:16 PM
Dave84,

Your comments about Churchwell not demanding attention in the '04-'05 season because OU didn't win games is a little off, understandable though. OU finished 4th in the SCAC regular season with victories over Trinity and Centre. They almost went undefeated at home in SCAC play; their only loss coming at the hands of Southwestern by 1 or 2 points. They were a pretty decent basketball team and they have Churchwell to thank for that. The fact that Churchwell led the SCAC in in scoring and rebounding for like three straight years, and he never won POY honors is just crazy. In the '03-'04 season, when OU made it to the conference Championship game, Churchwell led the conference in rebounding and scoring and lost out to Philip Griffith of Rose Hulman I believe. You might say Griffith deserve it because Rose Hulman finished second that year in the regualr season, but OU finished 6th when they were picked to not even make the tourney. Griffith averaged 16.1 pts and 5.8 rbds per game in conference play while Churchwell averaged 17.8 pts and 7.8 rbds per game in conference play. Similar numbers but Churchwell's were still better. Phil even told Russ that Russ was more deserving, seriously he said it. Let's face it, Churchwell got shafted a couple of times. Also, Chuchwell out rebounded Devins every year, and Church is barely 6'4".  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 09, 2008, 11:07:17 PM
This is like comparing apples to oranges and I don't expect anyone to agree.  I don't go back 15 years in the SCAC so I can't compare Devins to all of the top defensive players who have ever played in the league.  I do know that I would list Daniel Waguespack as every bit the equal to Devins or anyone else that I've seen in the SCAC. 

What Waguespack did game after game was shut down the top offensive threat from the opposing team, especially if that player played the 2, 3 or 4 spot.  If needed, I also saw him shifted over to guard the 1 and 5 positions.  Could he block shots like Devins or clog up the middle?  No, but could Devins cover a player out on the perimeter?  Like I said, it's like comparing apples to oranges.  Waguespack may be the 5th leading scorer in SCAC history, but his real strength was on the defensive end.  Despite the fact that he never won the POTY (he did win the defensive POTY), I would pick Daniel as the best player I've seen since I started watching SCAC basketball in the late 1990's. 

(Let's see how many karma points I lose with this post.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 09, 2008, 11:25:54 PM
I like to hear everyone's opinions of previous SCAC seasons.. its dissapointing the message board wasn't this active when I played.. its good to see different views that people have for some players.. by the way.. speaking of the 03-04 POY.. Griffith played down here in atlanta the summer after he won POY in 03-04.. he was down here doing an internship and while he was down here he played on a summer league team with Burr and I and also played some pickup ball at OU.. I respect him as a person but it was a joke that he won POY.. Griffith did nothing in our summer league and was owned by many players at OU in pickup games.. First let me say you cant fully judge a player from summer league ball and pickup ball.. but I think a whole summer of playing with him was enough to know that there were 4 or 5 other players that year on good or decent teams that deserved it over him.. any thoughts or opinions..

on a side note.. I hope the games are a little more competitive this weekend.. there was quite a few of blowouts last weekend..
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 09, 2008, 11:48:15 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on January 09, 2008, 01:24:47 PM
hey pbrooks, if you're in TN do you get over to very many Rhodes games?  I noticed that Cory Smith was leading the league in scoring, but was wondering if it's in the same fashion that Joey Garcia scored a few years back.  Rhodes always had a couple of players who were "shoot first, pass second" and i was wondering if he falls into that category, or is he just having an exceptional year in scoring?

I live two blocks away and know Coach Hilgeman fairly well.  He's coached a long time at Rhodes and enjoyed quite a bit of success.  I hate seeing some of his more recent squads struggling.  There are some talented players on his squad, but the concept of teamwork is frequently missing. 

I've  been to 2 games they've played this year.  I saw the weekend game against their traveling partner, B-S.  They didn't play well at all.  They managed to win an out of conference game last night against the University of Dallas - I didn't see that one. 

Cory Smith is a talented offensive player.  He is capable of playing better.  He doesn't come ready to play every night.  At times, he is very indifferent, and it affects his defense, even though defense sometimes seems to be a foreign term to the entire squad at stretches in many games.  The comparison with Joey Garcia of UOS is probably apt.  But I think Cory is stronger to the hoop; while Garcia probably did hold an edge on the perimeter.   When Cory is playing well, he truly makes his team better.  He had a spurt in the B-S game the other night where he took over for a several minutes, making shots, finding open teammates and defending aggressively. 

I'll be at both Rhodes games this weekend, Friday against DPU and Sunday versus Centre.  We'll see what happens and whether the Lynx build off of their Tuesday night win.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 10, 2008, 09:17:15 AM
SCAC games this weekend:

Jan. 11 
   8:00 PM  Hendrix   Austin     
   8:00 PM  Centre   Birmingham Southern     
   8:00 PM  DePauw   Rhodes     
   10:00 PM  Millsaps   Colorado Col.     
Jan. 12 
   6:00 PM  Southwestern (Tex.)   Trinity (Tex.)     
   8:00 PM  Hendrix   Colorado Col.     
   8:00 PM  Oglethorpe   Sewanee     
Jan. 13 
   3:00 PM  DePauw   Birmingham Southern     
   4:00 PM  Millsaps   Austin     
   4:00 PM  Centre   Rhodes 

Three of the top four preseason picks are on the road this weekend.  Do you think these 3 teams will go 6-0 for the weekend or will one slip up?  It looks like the only internet coverage this weekend will be live stats out of BSC and the radio broadcast from DePauw.  Speaking of live stats, the SID at Millsaps told me that doing live stats at the Millsaps game would be no problem except that the wireless signal on campus is sporatic inside the gym.  Hopefully they'll get that problem solved some day.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: daBulls on January 10, 2008, 11:33:59 AM
I was around the league in the mid to late 90's, and I have seen it a bunch over the last five to six years.  The two Millsaps teams in the mid 90's were the best this league has seen.  They had a combination of size, depth, and athleticism that has not been matched.  The 94-95 team lost to UW-Stevens Point (I believe, whatever UW satelite school that was coached by Bo Ryan) in the round of 16 in a pretty close game.  UW-Stevens Point went on the easily win the national title.  Don Proctor (a juco transfer, so he didn't put up the career totals) was the best all around player in league history.  John Garber was a 6'9, very strong, very athletic center who would have manhandled Devins.  Johnny Brunini and Peter Murray would be a toss up.  Phillip Robinson was one of the most prolific scorers ever to play in the league.  Millsaps point guard and Trinity's point guard was a tossup.  Brad Price and Zac Wallace did not even start for that team and they were both 1,000 point scorers.  The difference between those two teams is Millsaps athleticism. 

I too live in Memphis and have seen numerous Rhodes games over the past five years.  Coach Hilgeman is a great coach who won 20 games almost every year up to the late 90's.  My guess is that he is not doing anything different.  I would guess that the school has changed making it tougher for him to get the quality depth needed to compete in the SCAC.  Cory Smith is a great scorer.  I don't see to many games where he has only 5 or 6 points.  Mayber 10 or 12 and then bust out with 25 or 30.  He is a great defender when he wants to be.  I do agree that he and Garcia have somewhat similiar styles, but I think that Smith may be a little more unselfish.  Rhodes has two very good wing players in him and Jared Hoskins.  I see their main problem being the post.  They do not have a dominate post player that can get them easy buckets, get the big rebound, and defend the Stephen Schotts, Edrick Montgomerys, and Andrew Kings of the league.  I do believe that Rhodes has some very good young talent on the roster and they have gotten better since last year.  Next year I would hope they would continue to improve. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 10, 2008, 12:38:38 PM
Iagree with DaBulls' assessment of Cory Smith; he's really unselfish and retiring by nature. He's one of the best athletes in the SCAC. He's got a solid pedigree and good coaching through high school (Bartlett) and at Rhodes. Rhodes will be a threat still this year if one of their young bigs steps up to play defense, rebound and make an occasion layout or put-back.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2008, 01:52:32 PM
daBulls,
Yes, Millsaps lost in the Sweet 16 to the UW-Platteville team that won it 1995.   The UW-Platteville back-to-back was in the '98 and the '99 playoffs.

1995 Playoffs (http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/mncaa95.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 10, 2008, 01:53:50 PM
on the Churchwell topic, i'm not saying that he wasn't a great player.  In fact, I strongly support his placement on the 15th anniversary team.  But I think we all can agree that the style of play that Olgethorpe has played in the past has been "statistic friendly."  The faster paced the game is, the more opportunity for statistics, am I correct?  I truly believe that if he had played on that Trinity team, he would have had the same numbers as all the other players on that team, mediocre.  Not taking anything away from what he accomplished, because you have to be a tremendous player to achieve such.  Coach Cunningham at Trinity will rarely (if ever) have a player lead the conference in scoring and rebounding.  He likes to have deep teams and play his starters between 20-25 minutes per game.  If you actually factor in stats/minute for both players they come out very close to dead even for the '04-05 season.  That's just the way Cunningham runs his program and the reason why we probably won't see another Trinity POY (since '00 Mason) for a long time.  

DaBulls - I don't see how you can overlook the '05-06 Trinity team as potentially the best team in the history of SCAC.  1 loss to a D1 (which turned out to be a fairly competitive game with a Texas A&M team that went deep in the NIT and had a 1st round draft choice that year (Antoine Wright) and a 1st round 2 years later (Acie Law), 2 losses to Div. 2 team that Trinity led both by 20+ at halftime but choked in closing minutes, and 3 conference losses (1 to southwestern, and 2 on a road trip where starting PG Stroberg "The General" of the team did not play due to injury) and the deepest any team has been in the SCAC at the elite-8 against the eventual back to back National Champ (UWSP - who won their final four games by around 20+ each) - who trinity lost to by 6 on a night where they shot the worst of their season in a hostile UWSP home court gym.  Also, has there been any other team in the conference to make it to 4 straight NCAA tournaments?  That's an accomplishment worth noting and discussing.

Now, I can't compare this team to teams from the 90's but I would have to say this makes a great argument.  I know less about DePauw, but i would say that the DePauw team that went deep into the tourney was also one to consider (Ringer, Bettis, Nixon, Howland, etc.).  That was a very good team!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 10, 2008, 03:47:07 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 10, 2008, 09:17:15 AM
SCAC games this weekend:

Jan. 11 
   8:00 PM  Hendrix   Austin     
   8:00 PM  Centre   Birmingham Southern     
   8:00 PM  DePauw   Rhodes     
   10:00 PM  Millsaps   Colorado Col.     
Jan. 12 
   6:00 PM  Southwestern (Tex.)   Trinity (Tex.)     
   8:00 PM  Hendrix   Colorado Col.     
   8:00 PM  Oglethorpe   Sewanee     
Jan. 13 
   3:00 PM  DePauw   Birmingham Southern     
   4:00 PM  Millsaps   Austin     
   4:00 PM  Centre   Rhodes 

Three of the top four preseason picks are on the road this weekend.  Do you think these 3 teams will go 6-0 for the weekend or will one slip up?  It looks like the only internet coverage this weekend will be live stats out of BSC and the radio broadcast from DePauw.  Speaking of live stats, the SID at Millsaps told me that doing live stats at the Millsaps game would be no problem except that the wireless signal on campus is sporatic inside the gym.  Hopefully they'll get that problem solved some day.


While it doesn't show on the SCAC Scoreboard page, it looks like Colorado College has streaming video of their basketball games along with live stats.  Here's the link to their Men's Basketball page:

http://www.coloradocollege.edu/Athletics/varsity_sports/MBasketball/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: george_banks on January 10, 2008, 07:10:02 PM
I'm new to the board, and the only reason that I am posting at all is to throw out my two cents on the whole Devins debate. I played with Sean and would have to say that Sean was most definitely a D1 basketball player with the determination of a fourth chair tuba player in the High School band. He just "kind-of" liked basketball, that is until he was out of school for some time. That being said, when he wanted to, he could take a game over pretty easily, and to be quite honest, he never really had much respect for a lot of the SCAC teams that he played against. He certainly was an interesting player.

I did hear he worked out last summer with a bunch of NBDL league bigs and actually held more than his own and worked pretty hard. Almost got a deal overseas but was too late into the summer to get any legit looks.

Trinity has actually surprised me more than I thought they would this year, and I dont think I could have more respect for the Millsaps team (minus Wise). Rogan is one of the most mature players I've ever played against and I was sorry to hear about his fall in the game last weekend, I hope he's ok.

Most of the games this weekend look somewhat one sided, I would like to keep an eye on the OU Sewanee game though.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2008, 07:37:16 PM
The 2002 DePauw team went to the Elite 8 as the #4 seed in the WashUStL bracket and lost to eventual champion Otterbein.

Bracket (http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/02/pairings.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 10, 2008, 09:04:28 PM
Welcome to the board, george_banks.  Your description of Devins is somewhat the impression that I always had and quite possibly this lack of interest/aggression/desire is what kept him from becoming the best player in SCAC history.  Whenever this subject comes up, I always try to stress that he was a great player in the SCAC and any negatives that are said are just in regards to where he fits among the elites in SCAC history.

I was impressed with the Trinity team when they played at Millsaps.  It was one of the closest games I can remember watching until Millsaps went on a mini-run with about 6 minutes to go.  I don't think the Trinity team will lose many games this year and they host Centre and DePauw while Millsaps has to play those two on the road, plus Millsaps now has to go to Trinity.  In reality, Trinity might be in the driver's seat when it comes to the competion between the preseason top 4:

---Trinity lost to Millsaps, but they now play Centre, DePauw and Millsaps at home.
---Centre beat DePauw, but they now play DePauw and Trinity on the road and Millsaps at home.
---DePauw lost to Centre, but they now play Trinity on the road and Centre and Millsaps at home.
---Millsaps beat Triinity, but they now play Centre, DePauw and Trinity on the road.

Of course, it is not a 4 team league as OU proved at DePauw so all of these teams will have to avoid any hint of overlooking any SCAC team regardless of the opponent's record.

In regards to Rodney Rogan, he really is a great player and a great guy.  He was banged up pretty good in that fall last Saturday but I think he is playing this weekend.  The Millsaps team showed me something by hanging in there with Trinity and then getting the win with Rogan out for the last 18 minutes, but I hope that's the last time this year that we have to see Millsaps without Rodney on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 10, 2008, 10:06:17 PM
George_Banks, great insights on Sean Devins. Welcome to the board. Centre has a post player named John Patterson who graduated last year and now is playing in Europe. While John wasn't exactly in Sean's class as far as athleticism and basketball skills, he rounded into a solid defensive stopper. John's best basketball may be ahead of him given that he backed up Reggie Magnusson for 3 years. Good stuff-thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 10, 2008, 10:50:44 PM

When you talk about a 6-10 guy such as Devins, what Mr. Banks says makes perfect sense.  Where I'm working now, we have a guy who has signed with an SEC school.  Despite being 6'9", we rarely see him go strong to the basket or hustle up and down the court.  What we do see is him hang out under the goal and block shots left and right.  He barely breaks a sweat during games.  I'm pretty sure he's going to get run right off the court when he gets to college, but when you're that much taller than everyone else, you can be successful without trying too hard, and unfortunately that can become one's mode of operation.  I saw that a lot in the scholarship players with whom I used to work, as they were all big fish in their formative years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 11, 2008, 01:04:12 AM
The only big guy of sorts that I ever saw in high school who worked his tail off was Tyler Hansborough.  That kid never took anything for granted about his God-given size and talent.  I think Roy Williams would agree!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 11, 2008, 03:13:58 PM
Speaking of Hansborough... who saw that dunk he threw down over UNC Asheville's 7'7" Kenny George... Hansborough's work ethic should be the model for ever collegiate athlete.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnBkMz-kpsg       
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: billzeffer on January 11, 2008, 03:39:11 PM
That dunk was awesome, he has absolutely no fear at all.  I just wish that guy on asheville's team wasn't so unathletic.  I know it's nearly impossible to be that big and be able to move, but wow, what a sight to see if that guy was even a slightly below average athlete.  Going back in the day again does anyone remember Adam Luton for Trinity about 4 years ago.  I was at the Trinity v. Millsaps (@ TU) game his senior year and he threw down one of the most incredible dunks I have ever seen over Lash and Adams (2 of Millsaps best players) on a drop step from the block.  The kid had incredible athleticism but everything I heard from the TU players was that he just didn't have any basketball IQ. 

On to the weekend matchups, I've been a little out of the loop this year so my opinions could be slightly misguided.  I like the Depauw Rhodes matchup Friday night and i think it should be a closer game than most expect with Depauw pulling it out in the end.  Maybe not in the same dramatic fashion from their championship game a few years back but when will we ever see something like that again.  Even though everyone probably agrees Trinity is the better team I think it will be a close one in San Antonio this weekend with Trinity edging out the Pirates by 5.  My upset special comes from Austin College on sunday as I think they can take out Millsaps at home.  It's a tough travel weekend and games like these are easy to overlook.  Austin by 4. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 11, 2008, 06:24:37 PM
DePauw at Rhodes might be interesting.  DePauw is 5-3 in their last 8 games which includes 2 wins by just one point and another win by just 4 points.  The losses were by 14 at Centre, 11 at Wabash, and then the home loss by 2 to Oglethorpe (as a point of reference, Wabash lost to Trinity 72-66 and beat Southwestern 69-64 in games played at Southwestern).  DePauw is just not playing dominate basketball right now, not to the level that most people expected at the start of the season, so that might be a very good game in Memphis tonight.

Hendrix at Austin might be a game that falls in the toss-up category.  Hendrix has won two games against the U. of Dallas while Austin split their U. of Dallas games, but Austin has the home court.  I'm going to guess that Austin defends their homecourt and they win by 5 or less. 

I don't think the home court will be enough to help Birmingham or Colorado.  Colorado is 0-11 with large road losses to Southwestern and Trinity early in the season so I think Millsaps should get the win if they don't just assume that they will get the win.  Birmingham seems to be capable of making things interesting against Centre, but I have a feeling that Centre will have a big run at some point in the game and then they will cruise to a comfortable win.

I'll be keeping up with the action as best I can, probably listening to the DePauw radio while checking the live stats on both Millsaps games while working on Millsaps photos from last week.  I really know how to live it up on a Friday night. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 11, 2008, 09:50:06 PM
Half:
DPU 42
Rhodes 20

Rhodes has no answer to DePauw's Oilar. He's got 16 and Moore 11. Going to be a laugher it would appear. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 11, 2008, 10:33:52 PM
DPU 82
Rhodes 55 FINAL
Oilar 21 pts
C Smith 14 pts
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 11, 2008, 10:38:41 PM
Centre beats BSC 77-53:  
http://livestats.internetconsult.com/bsc/mbball/

Millsaps up 50-35 at the half.  Songy, Bailey and Montgomery are all in double figures.  Millsaps has 3 turnovers and 12 assists--the turnover to assists ratio has been a big strength for them this year:  

http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/webcasts/mbasketball/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 11, 2008, 10:50:06 PM
Lorenzo Bailey has hit two 3-pointers to give him 179 for his career, one shy of matching the Millsaps career record set by Brad Price.  He also is closing in on the 1,000 point total with his current total around the 930 mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 11, 2008, 11:04:59 PM
Colorado opened the 2nd half with a 12-3 run to cut the Millsaps lead to 6.  With 12 minutes to go Millsaps is leading 60-50, Bailey has hit two more 3-pointers to break the Millsaps record for most 3-pointers in a career.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 11, 2008, 11:08:29 PM
DePauw had no problem with Rhodes tonight.  They got off to a 16-2 lead and never looked back.  Brian Oilar was on his game with 21, including 3-3 on 3-pointers.  Schott pitched in with a strong second half.  Poor Rhodes had no answers on the inside.  Both Justin Long and Larry Cunningham fouled out.  The search goes on as my Centre Colonels come to town Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 11, 2008, 11:57:44 PM
Songy had 4  three pointers tonight.... 5 a year and a day ago against OU-  I think it's safe to say he likes mid January.

Frank I watched the live stats, I see what you mean about Millsaps taking large leads over teams and then allow them back in the second half.  I figured they'd put Colorado away, but to let an 0-11 team back to within 7 or so shows this team has a way to go.  I still believe Millsaps is one of the top 2 teams in the conference but they need to learn how to put an inferior opponent away.

Noticed Colorado went 22-23 from the line for a 95.7% rate.  Any idea where this ranks for the top free throw shooting performances in SCAC history?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 12, 2008, 12:04:36 AM
It sounds like Millsaps escaped from Colorado with a win.  Millsaps led by 15 at the half and the final score was 93-83,  but the outcome of the game was very much in question at the 5:10 to go mark with Colorado only trailing by 4.  

Based on the live stats, it looks like Edrick Montgomery scored 14 points between the 4:50 and 2:12 mark in the second half, plus he grabbed a bunch of rebounds and blocked at least one shot during that 2:38 stretch.  Maybe the silver lining on this game is that Edrick finally took his game up to the level he showed in 2006-07, finishing with 28 points and 13 rebounds in 29 minutes of action.

In defense of Millsaps, they were somewhat shorthanded tonight.  Rodney Rogan started but only played 9 minutes.  They were also missing 3 key subs, Allen Odum, Ross James and Blake Martinez as well as injured starter Deonte Oscar.  I see that Chad Songy scored 16 points from the point guard position but he also had 9 turnovers, almost all in the 2nd half.  I have to believe this was a direct result of having to play 34 minutes at altitude since the other two point guards, Allen and Deonte weren't available to play.

For all the stats, here's the link to the live stats:

http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/webcasts/mbasketball/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 12, 2008, 12:10:10 AM
On the Colorado free throw shooting, it was the second best performance in SCAC history.  OU hit 25 of 26 on 2/28/04 against Rose-Hulman, and the next best had been a 20-21 by Center vs. Millsaps and also by DePauw vs Southwestern.

By the way, the score keeps changing and I've seen Millsaps shown with 95 points, 93 points, and now 94 points.  At the moment, the final was 94-83.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 12, 2008, 12:15:02 AM
Last score of the night, Hendrix beat Austin 60-57.  I thought the game would be within 5 with Austin winning.  Andrew King missed a double-double, only scoring 9 points to go along with his 21 rebounds (the SCAC record is 26 by Edrick Montgomery).

Box score:  http://artemis.austincollege.edu/admin/sports/results/Recaps/07mbgm12.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 12, 2008, 12:20:22 AM
Frank,  you are a wealth of knowledge.  I remember Edrick's 26 rebound night in Atlanta a few years back... it was a sight to see.  I think he followed that up with 18 the year after.

I noticed the score fluctuation... any idea what the mix up was?

Just Curious, Is Austin an improved team from last year or did Hendrix really lose that much?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 12, 2008, 12:27:07 AM
I think Hendrix may still be playing without 1 starter - David Foley.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 12, 2008, 11:29:40 AM
Just a more complete observation of some things I wrote yesterday:

I didn't realize how shorthanded Millsaps was until I really looked at the box score. 

--Missing last night were Deonte Oscar and Allen Odum, the starting point guards from this year and last year, which left Chad Songy playing just about the entire game.  That's tough when not being acclimated to playing at altitude.
--Also missing were Ross James who has been out this second semester and Blake Martinez who was out the first semester, but they usually fit into the rotation as a substitute at the shooting guard spot.
--And in essence, Rodney Rogan was missing since he only played 9 minutes in the first half and he finished the game with just 4 points and 1 rebound.

Maybe it was this lack of manpower that lit a fire under Edrick Montgomery after Nate Brodman hit a 3-pointer to pull Colorado to within 4 points at the 5:10 mark.  In the gap between that 5:10 mark and the 2:12 mark, Edrick had 14 points, 5 rebounds and 1 blocked shot as Millsaps built the lead back to a far more comfortable 9 points.  It was one of those dominating performances that Edrick is capable of creating, but it seems like they have been few and far between this season.

Let me quickly note that I'm holding Edrick to a higher standard than I would most players.  He is averaging over 12 points and 8 rebounds a game, good for 18th and 4th in the league respectively, after finishing last year at about 17 ppg and 10 rebound, 2nd and 1st in the league.  The drop in numbers could be explained by more balance on the Millsaps team and I think he was playing with a hurt ankle for a while, maybe still is, but it seems to me that there is a spark missing from his game this year.

I saw Edrick's first career game for Millsaps when he scored 20 points on Austin in the first half.  Later in that 2005-06 season he had the 26 rebounds against Oglethorpe to break one of the SCAC's oldest records.  And at the SCAC Tournament that year he dominated the POTY Reggie Magnusson, hitting 15 of 22 shots for 34 points to go along with 10 rebounds.  In the 2006-07 season, Edrick led the Millsaps team in scoring in 13 of 27 games and was the leading rebounder in 24 games, he was a very strong runner-up in the SCAC POTY voting, and he was a 2nd team All-South pick by D3Hoops.  He was very, very good in those first two seasons.

I'm hoping that last night's burst will rekindle something in Edrick that I haven't really seen while watching him play this season.  He has been good, and at times very good, but he is a guy who could be very, very good every night.  If he rediscovers the spark he had for the first 2 SCAC seasons, then Millsaps will get a real mid-season boost.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 12, 2008, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on January 12, 2008, 12:20:22 AM
Just Curious, Is Austin an improved team from last year or did Hendrix really lose that much?

AC has some obvious problems (lack of big man depth, youth) but they are an improved team with a different style of play.

Their sophomore class is very good.  Kola Alade is an exceptionally quick 2-guard who can get into the lane at will and also hit the three, and Chris Sturtevant, who missed the first 10 or so games of the year, is a 6-7 kid with all kinds of scoring talent.  He's been rusty (coming off two injuries) but last night his offensive touch finally came back.  He and Alade should give the Roos one of the best inside/outside duos in the conference for the next couple of years.

They also have an interesting sophomore center, Spencer Burke.  He's 6-8 and extremely athletic, but he's still very raw.  I think he is still trying to grow into his size...last season as a freshman, he was one of those tall, athletic kids who could jump through the roof but would trip and stumble over his own feet.  He's getting more coordinated and could be a pretty intimidating inside presence on the defensive end.

Last year the biggest problem for AC is that they didn't have a go to scorer...this year, they have two in Alade and Sturtevant.  Both of those two missed most of last season, too, which is why some folks around the SCAC may not recognize them.

And for the other poster above, David Foley definitely started last night, and fouled out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 12, 2008, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: jekelish on January 12, 2008, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on January 12, 2008, 12:20:22 AM
Just Curious, Is Austin an improved team from last year or did Hendrix really lose that much?

AC has some obvious problems (lack of big man depth, youth) but they are an improved team with a different style of play.

Their sophomore class is very good.  Kola Alade is an exceptionally quick 2-guard who can get into the lane at will and also hit the three, and Chris Sturtevant, who missed the first 10 or so games of the year, is a 6-7 kid with all kinds of scoring talent.  He's been rusty (coming off two injuries) but last night his offensive touch finally came back.  He and Alade should give the Roos one of the best inside/outside duos in the conference for the next couple of years.

They also have an interesting sophomore center, Spencer Burke.  He's 6-8 and extremely athletic, but he's still very raw.  I think he is still trying to grow into his size...last season as a freshman, he was one of those tall, athletic kids who could jump through the roof but would trip and stumble over his own feet.  He's getting more coordinated and could be a pretty intimidating inside presence on the defensive end.

Last year the biggest problem for AC is that they didn't have a go to scorer...this year, they have two in Alade and Sturtevant.  Both of those two missed most of last season, too, which is why some folks around the SCAC may not recognize them.

And for the other poster above, David Foley definitely started last night, and fouled out.

I agree.  I think AC is much better this year and will be better as these kids get some experience.  Anyone who thinks AC is an automatic win could come away disappointed.
As far as Hendrix, one excuse this weekend could be travel plans.  The team seemed a little sluggish after riding the bus to Dallas on gameday.
A flight from Dallas to Colorado today for tonight's game may also make tonight's game tough for the Warriors.

Winning on the road is tough in the SCAC, as can be seen by last night's escape by Millsaps.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on January 12, 2008, 08:46:44 PM
Trinity beat Southwestern in San Antonio 68-52.  Trinity was up by 6 at the half.  The Tigers came out in the second half and blew the Pirates out.  The big 20-1 run was set up with tenacious defense (big surprise, huh?). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 12, 2008, 11:12:05 PM
Hendrix led Colorado 47-30 at the half.  At the moment, Colorado has outscored Hendrix 17-9 to start the second half.  I wonder if we'll have a replay of yesterday's script with Colorado have a big rally and Hendrix holding on at the end?

OU won 62-59 at Sewanee.  Link to story:

http://athletics.sewanee.edu/home?id=17481
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 12, 2008, 11:42:40 PM
I'll eat crow on the OU / UOS game.  It was a close game, I simply picked the wrong team. OU may end up be the sleeper in the east.   Frank, any further update on things in Colorado.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 13, 2008, 02:19:20 AM
No problem Brooks, I'll let you off off the hook.  I have one request though- could you please continue to pick against the Stormy Petrels?  They're 2-0 in proving you wrong and I don't want the winning trend to end!  ;)

Just got home from the Mountain.  Great game between OU and UOS.  Sewanee opened up the game on a 7-0 run which OU promptly responded with one of their own to tie the game at 7. 

The game was close throughout with with each team taking leads of 4-6.  OU ended the half with a long 3 by Freshman Joe Kennedy as he drove the length of the court with 5 seconds left to lead by 6.  Sewanee went on another 7-0 run to start the second half to recapture the lead at 37-36 but then Sewanee went ICE COLD from 3 (5-28 for the game) and Oglethorpe was able to open up an 11 point lead with just over 6 minutes left to play.  Sewanee fought back hard and actually forced a turnover that left 1.0 left on the clock to give themselves a shot at the buzzer to force overtime but the shot rimmed out. 

Deciding factor in the game:  BENCH PLAY!

OU outscored UOS bench by the tally of 31-7   mostly behind the play of Freshmen Todd Ward and  Richey (10 pts. 3 steals)  Ward had his best game of the year finishing with 15 points 6 reb.  5 ast.   6 steals  and 2 blocks in 24 minutes.  GREAT all around game for him and GREAT win for OU as they improve to 3-1 in conference play with yet another road trip on the horizon with Hendrix and Millsaps.  A split would be nice, a sweep would raise some eyebrows.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 13, 2008, 07:16:20 AM
There must be something in the air, or lack of air, in Colorado.  For the second straight night a team got up big on Colorado and then had to hold on for a victory.  Friday is was Millsaps seeing a 15-point halftime lead evaporate to just 4 points with 5 minutes to go, and last night Hendrix won in double OT 103-97 after leading by 47-30 at the break.

For the second night in a row, Colorado had trouble with the opposing center as Andrew King had 31 points and 9 rebounds to follow the Friday night performance of Edrick Montgomery who had 28 points and 13 rebounds.  Here's a link to the live stats from the Hendrix-Colorado game:

http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/webcasts/mbasketball/xlive.htm

It's just a guess on my part that a team without a deep bench might have some trouble winning at Colorado.  In the case of Millsaps, they were without 2 guys who normally play about 10 minutes, 2 guys who normally play 20 minutes, and Rogan played about 20 minutes less than normal.  In the case of Hendrix, I get the impression that they rely heavily on a handful of key players and they did have a couple who played over 40 minutes last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 13, 2008, 04:39:45 PM
Rhodes is leading Centre at the half 35-34. The Lynx found a spark in freshman, Nathan Ollie who has scored 11. Britt leads the Colonels with 14. Cory Smith has ridden the pine almost the entire 1st half. Rhodes looks totally different from their Friday night loss to DePauw. They've been able to execute the break and get some turnovers. Even a few shots from Reid Hamilton in the post have gone down. Hope this causes Coach Mason to light a fire under his troops in the locker room. This is the best the Lynx have looked so far this year. Good game to watch even though I don't like the score at the moment.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 13, 2008, 04:50:22 PM
Millsaps leads Austin College 35-27 at the half.  Edrick Montgomery has 13 points and 7 boards and Chris Sanders has 12 and 5 for the Majors, and Kola Alade leads the 'Roos with 10 points and 4 boards.  Neither team shooting it well (both under 40%) and the 'Roos have turned it over 13 times.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 13, 2008, 05:34:01 PM
Colonels played better in the 2nd half and won 84-77. Thomas Britt had 23; TC Thomason 17. Two road wins to make Colonels 12-1. Let's see if this is good enough to crack the Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 13, 2008, 05:47:01 PM
In the WTF file... BSC 78, DPU 63 from Birmingham this afternoon.

It was a little closer than the final score indicated... kind of. BSC led by as many as 22 in the second half before DPU cut it to 5 with about 6 minutes left. The Panthers pulled away late.

Tigers looked a step slow and got beat to every loose ball. I wish I could blame that on having spent roughly 9.5 hours on a bus the past three days, but that ain't the whole story - BSC just wanted that one more.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2008, 05:52:35 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on January 13, 2008, 05:47:01 PM
In the WTF file... BSC 78, DPU 63 from Birmingham this afternoon.

It was a little closer than the final score indicated... kind of. BSC led by as many as 22 in the second half before DPU cut it to 5 with about 6 minutes left. The Panthers pulled away late.

Tigers looked a step slow and got beat to every loose ball. I wish I could blame that on having spent roughly 9.5 hours on a bus the past three days, but that ain't the whole story - BSC just wanted that one more.
9.5 hours on a bus?  That is only one-half of an ASC road trip!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 13, 2008, 05:56:39 PM
Millsaps wins at Austin 85-54.  Rogan didn't play but Odum and Martinez were back.  Edrick Montgomery had his second big game of the weekend, getting 22 points and 15 rebounds.  Chris Sanders also had a double-double with 15 points and 11 rebounds, and scoring in double figures were Lorenzo Bailey with 11 and Chad Songy with 10.

Link to boxscore:
http://artemis.austincollege.edu/admin/sports/results/Recaps/07mbgm13.htm

For the weekend, Edrick and Andrew King put up some big numbers on the western road trip.  Edrick scored 50 and grabbed 28 boards, and King scored 40 and had 30 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 13, 2008, 06:21:54 PM
I think Herb Hilgeman found a team today. Starting Nathan Ollie today really energized the team coming out of the gate. There wasn't much drop off when Cory Smith got 2 fouls and went to the bench for the majority of the 1st half. Also saw some inspired play from Reid Hamilton in the post. He was able to play like a guard/wing and take his defender off the dribble several times. Rhodes defended better on the perimeter than I've seen in other games this season. A couple more made 3's and they upset Centre today. I hope this game is a watershed event that helps turn their season towards some good SCAC wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 13, 2008, 06:36:39 PM
Blogged on Rhodes; now I need to compliment my Centre Colonels. They played solid in the stretch with key plays from their seniors. Ryan Crowdis was big at the end converting 4 free throws in the late going. Thomas Britt played his usual outstanding game on both the defensive and offensive ends. T C Thomason hit a large 3-pointer at a critical time in the 2nd half. TC generated a double-double (17 pts; 10 boards)Matt Nestheide was defended well by Rhodes, getting all of his 12 points in the latter 20 minutes. He came up with an old-fashioned 3-point play at the end on a layup.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 14, 2008, 07:00:06 PM
I haven't seen the new Top 25 posted on D3Hoops, but a Millsaps story says Centre moved up to #20 and Millsaps is in at #23.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/011408release.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on January 14, 2008, 08:00:18 PM
 So I have to ask...and I'm checking my alum-ness at the door as much as I can...

Is it too early to speculate on candidates for Player of the Year? And is it too much of a reach to suggest Andrew King?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 14, 2008, 08:32:56 PM
Millsaps wins at Dallas this afternoon 66-55, probably just glad to get a win and head back home after a long road trip and 3 games in 4 days.  Edrick Montgomery, Lorenzo Bailey and Blake Martinez led the scoring with 14 each and Cameron Varnado added 10.  With Rodney Rogan basically out for this trip, it's good to see some of the guys off the bench really step up and contribute.

http://www.udallas.edu/athletics/mbasketball/statdetail.cfm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 14, 2008, 09:03:40 PM
Thanks, Frank for the update.  Hope the Top 25 matches up with what's showing on Millsap's website.  I thought Centre might break into it, but I am a bit surprised by getting to #20.  I guess with others from the 20-25 listing last losing helped.  Our win over Birmingham Southern certainly makes the Colonels look better when compared to the way BSC handled DPU.  Millsaps had a successful week on the road.  I would have thought Centre and Millsaps might land side by side in the poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 14, 2008, 10:19:32 PM
Gus, while it might be too early to talk about POTY, here's a tidbit that might shed some light on the chances of a player winning the POTY.  Someone may want to doublecheck me, but it appears that only twice in the SCAC history has the POTY come from a team that didn't finish 1st or 2nd in the regular season.

2000-01:  Neal Power of Rhodes wins after averaging 21.1 ppg and 5.8 rbs.  The other 1st team members that year were Joe Nixon of DePauw, Quintin Mason of Trinity, and the Millsaps pair of Thomas Adams and Daniel Waguespack.  Millsaps tied for 1st that year with a 14-4 record while Rhodes finished 7-11 and 11-14 overall.  As I recall, the voting was very close between the top 5 players that year.  I would argue that Power should have finished behind the other four players and I think the 2000-01 results could have been a factor in voting during Churchwell's years.

2005-06:  Reggie Magnusson of Centre wins after averaging 17.3 ppg and 6.1 rpg.  Other first team members were Ross Burt and Andy Bates of Trinity, Munchie Muskeyvalley of RHIT, and Jamonn Little of Southwestern.  Trinity had the best SCAC record that year at 12-2, followed by Southwestern at 10-4 and Centre at 9-5.  The voting this year wasn't really close between Magnusson and the rest of the 1st teamers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on January 15, 2008, 02:14:56 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 14, 2008, 10:19:32 PM
Gus, while it might be too early to talk about POTY, here's a tidbit that might shed some light on the chances of a player winning the POTY.  Someone may want to doublecheck me, but it appears that only twice in the SCAC history has the POTY come from a team that didn't finish 1st or 2nd in the regular season.

2000-01:  Neal Power of Rhodes wins after averaging 21.1 ppg and 5.8 rbs.  The other 1st team members that year were Joe Nixon of DePauw, Quintin Mason of Trinity, and the Millsaps pair of Thomas Adams and Daniel Waguespack.  Millsaps tied for 1st that year with a 14-4 record while Rhodes finished 7-11 and 11-14 overall.  As I recall, the voting was very close between the top 5 players that year.  I would argue that Power should have finished behind the other four players and I think the 2000-01 results could have been a factor in voting during Churchwell's years.


Ah...talking about my era now. Excellent.

The 2000-2001 Lynx had a very disappointing season, but Power's dominance was so evident that he was pretty much able to...ahem...power his way to POY honors (though Nixon did some things that made my eyes pop out, and I still think he was better than Mike Howland, who eventually won.)

I differ from some in the sense that I don't think team success should have anything to do with the award. I had the privalage of seeing Power, Nixon, Howland, Mason, Adams, Waguespack, Sean Devins, Brian Britt, Rami Almefty and many others, but to this day the best SCAC player I have seen remains Russ Churchwell. Does it matter to me that Churchwell played for mainly mediocre Oglethorpe teams? Nope.

To me, the POY honor is for the best player in the conference. That doesn't mean best team. Will Hendrix be there at the end? No. Should it matter? Not to me. King's numbers aren't only good, they're consistently good. He's been in the league three years now, is a known (and marked) commodity, and he still ranks among the best in scoring and rebounding.

It's a testament to this league that King can make a case for winning the POY award both this year and next, but at the same time the same argument can be made for so many others. History does tend to favor the best players on the best teams, but to me, that dilutes the meaning of what is essentially an individual award.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 15, 2008, 05:55:00 AM
Gus, it's an argument where both sides could make a strong case.  There was something this weekend that makes a case for picking the best player on the best team:

For the weekend, Edrick Montgomery and Andrew King put up some big numbers on the road against the same two teams.  Edrick scored 50 and grabbed 28 boards, and King scored 40 and had 30 rebounds.  Edrick's numbers were slightly better and King was helped by playing in a 2OT game.  Certainly a big factor in Edrick having his two biggest games of the season was the injury to Rodney Rogan, and while I hope this isn't the case, I'm sure that Edrick's numbers would stay up significantly if Rodney had to sit out for a while.  As was argued a few pages back in the Sean Devin discussion, it's hard to have league leading stats when your team is stocked with talented players.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2008, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 14, 2008, 09:03:40 PM
Thanks, Frank for the update.  Hope the Top 25 matches up with what's showing on Millsap's website.  I thought Centre might break into it, but I am a bit surprised by getting to #20.  I guess with others from the 20-25 listing last losing helped.  Our win over Birmingham Southern certainly makes the Colonels look better when compared to the way BSC handled DPU.  Millsaps had a successful week on the road.  I would have thought Centre and Millsaps might land side by side in the poll.

It does. I try to e-mail the poll whenever one is complete but I often don't post on our site until both men's and women's polls are done.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 15, 2008, 06:34:42 PM
seems like this will be an age old question, doesn't it frank? haha.

Gus, I truly don't see how you could justify that winning shouldn't have anything to do with the POY.  A great player is one that gives his team the best chance of winning a basketball game (i'm not saying that Churchwell was bad, i remind you, nor King).  Statistics are such a terrible thing to judge how good a player is and the impact he has on his team winning games in the SCAC.  I don't fault any teams for this, but some teams in the conference play a cup-cake pre-conference schedule.  Any good player could put up fantastic numbers and hike his averages up to start the season against far less competitive teams.  Whether or not we all accept it, the win column is the only thing that matters.  Down the road when people discuss how good a player was, yes, they will talk about his statistics, but 9 times out of 10, when someone defends a player's talent level they will immediately follow this with, "and took his team to....." or "and carried his team to..."  For someone to label a player as "the best ever to come through the SCAC" i would imagine that individual would have to have won quite a bit of ball games for his team.  Churchwell is amongst the best ever, but it's not like he was on a team full of 4th graders and didn't know how to play the game (as i mentioned earlier, he had the SCAC's #2 leading scorer on his team his senior year, aka the year he was "screwed" out of POY).  So if we are going off of stats to vote for post season honors, then why doesn't a player from Rhodes, Olgethorpe, Sewanee win POY every year? Because the style of basketball that they play, they have the most statistically impressive (and therefore better?) players.

sorry i get worked up over this one, i just feel that in the grand scheme of things, winning a basketball game is all that really matters.  how often do you see any other conference award the POY to a player from a team that barely makes the conference tournament, if at all?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: billzeffer on January 15, 2008, 07:03:35 PM
I have to agree with Dave on this one.  Statistics have and always will be overrated when it comes to looking at a player's overall value to a team.  Just because someone puts up 20 points a game doesn't mean he's making his team any better.  Also, and yes I am a little biased towards Trinity but hear me out, the teammates around you dictate your performance in the "statistical" categories i.e. pts, rebs, assts.  When surrounded by other good players it is difficult to average very high in any one category.  I think 4 Trinity players, Morris, Devins, Burt, and Bates would have won POY honors had they played on teams that weren't as good.  However, it's almost as if they're penalized for playing with good players and having lesser numbers.  I'm certainly not saying that every year the POY should go to a player on the team that finishes first but this should definately be taken into consideration.  I'm also still in shock that Burt and Bates split 2 POY votes back in '05-'06 after Trinity dominated the league that year.  I can understand that one of them didn't win because you figured they would steal each other's votes but to only end up with 2 combined was a little surprising to me.

And congrats to Millsaps this weekend for completely ruining my upset special pick.  It looks like these guys might be for real especially once they get Rogan back on the court.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 16, 2008, 10:02:32 AM
the games this weekend:

8:00 PM  Sewanee at  Hendrix       
   8:00 PM  Centre at Austin  (Centre by 15)    
   8:00 PM  DePauw at  Colorado Col.   (DePauw by 12)   
   8:00 PM  Rhodes at  Trinity (Tex.)   (Trinity by 16)    
   9:00 PM  Birmingham Southern at  Southwestern (Tex.)  (Birmingham by 5)      
   9:00 PM  Oglethorpe at  Millsaps  (Millsaps by 8)    
Jan. 19  9:00 PM  Rhodes at  Southwestern (Tex.)  (Southwestern by 3)   
Jan. 20  2:00 PM  DePauw at  Austin  (DePauw by 15)    
   2:00 PM  Birmingham Southern at  Trinity (Tex.)   (Trinity by 6)   
   3:00 PM  Oglethorpe at  Hendrix  (Hendrix by 2)   
   4:00 PM  Sewanee at  Millsaps   (Millsaps by 12)   
   4:00 PM  Centre at  Colorado Col. (Centre by 15)

anyone else?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 16, 2008, 11:06:32 AM
I like most of the picks but here are mine.

8:00 PM  Sewanee at  Hendrix    (Hendrix by 4)
   8:00 PM  Centre at Austin    (Centre by 19)
   8:00 PM  DePauw at  Colorado Col.    (Colorado by 2) upset special and Colorado's first win of the season!
   8:00 PM  Rhodes at  Trinity (Tex.)      (Trinity by 12)   9:00 PM  Birmingham Southern at  Southwestern (Tex.)     (Birmingham by 11)
   9:00 PM  Oglethorpe at  Millsaps      (Oglethorpe by 6)  if Millsaps plays same lineup from last weekend if not  (Millsaps by 2)
Jan. 19  9:00 PM  Rhodes at  Southwestern (Tex.)    (Rhodes by 4)
Jan. 20  2:00 PM  DePauw at  Austin       (Depauw by 13)
   2:00 PM  Birmingham Southern at  Trinity (Tex.)    (Trinity by 4)
   3:00 PM  Oglethorpe at  Hendrix      (Oglethorpe by 10)
   4:00 PM  Sewanee at  Millsaps    (Millsaps by 16)
   4:00 PM  Centre at  Colorado Col.    (Centre by 20)

Also you forgot to pick the first game ( Sewanee at Hendrix)

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2008, 11:24:55 AM
I am so looking forward to getting back to Austin so I can drive to SA to see some Trinity games (and Southwestern of course is right there).  The BSC game should be a good indicator of where the team is this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 16, 2008, 01:29:05 PM
good point, I agree with picking Hendrix in that one by a small margin (I'll go with 2 just so I'm not copying your 4), I also have no idea why it put a smiley face in the place of my actual prediction, haha, so i'll say that face stands for the number 3.

Ron, good to hear you'll be checking out some Trinity games.  It would be great to get your opinion as you get opportunities to see the Tigers play. I've been unable to catch very many games this year.

As for the POY predictions for this year, yes, it's too early, Montgomery looks like he could be a favorite in the way he changes teams' strategies.  Thomas Britt I feel isn't talked about enough because he has developed into a very good player for Centre.  If King can get his team to finish solid in the SCAC (top 3 or 4) then I believe it will hands down go to him. BUT, I just don't see this happening.

I will tell you one of my bigger disappointments so far.  He is still putting up good numbers, but I haven't seen the development that I thought I would have out of Stephen Schott of DePauw.  A few years ago, I would have said that he'd be a nationally recognized post player.  He came in immediately after the Bettis/Ringer era and seemed to have similar qualities early on.  He put up good numbers as an underclassmen, but really hasn't shown me that much more since then.  I'm not saying this based on statistics because if we recall the Jason Morris arguement, his surroundings could have improved over the years.  Watching him the last few years, he just looks to be the same player he was Freshmen and Sophomore seasons.  He's a good guy and I don't mean to pick on him at all, I just expected him to blow up in this league.  Any thoughts? or have I just picked on an undeserving player?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 16, 2008, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on January 16, 2008, 01:29:05 PM
I will tell you one of my bigger disappointments so far.  He is still putting up good numbers, but I haven't seen the development that I thought I would have out of Stephen Schott of DePauw. 

Watching him the last few years, he just looks to be the same player he was Freshmen and Sophomore seasons.  He's a good guy and I don't mean to pick on him at all, I just expected him to blow up in this league.  Any thoughts? or have I just picked on an undeserving player?

Naw, I disagree with that. 

It's really tough to be a standout post player in this league right now.  Just about everybody has a great big man.  I kinda knew what we were getting with Schott.  He's not taller than everybody else.  He's not necessarily stronger than everybody else.  But he's a great shooter for a guy his size, particularly with his back to the basket. 

He's third on the team in shot attempts behind Moore and Oilar, and in a related story, he's third in scoring.  Look at how DePauw plays.  They like to get out and run.  They shoot a lot of threes.  Lots of slashing to the basket by the guards.  Meanwhile, the other contenders are playing a more half court style.  I feel like Centre and Millsaps have historically thrown it down in the post a lot more.  It's tough for Schott to get a lot of touches in an offense like that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2008, 03:51:29 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on January 16, 2008, 01:29:05 PM
Ron, good to hear you'll be checking out some Trinity games.  It would be great to get your opinion as you get opportunities to see the Tigers play. I've been unable to catch very many games this year.

If only it were so, first we have to get the house up north of Dallas ready to sell, then we have to sell it, then we have to find a new place around Austin, so I'm hoping to be able to see them come NEXT season.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on January 16, 2008, 04:12:04 PM
 Here's my argument...

To me, a measure of greatness isn't always kissing the golden chalice. Sometimes, it's simply a matter of your presence making a team go ever further than it could possibly go otherwise.

Exhibit A: Andrew King.

I won't pull any punches. With King, Hendrix is probably middle-of-the-pack at best. They can't stay in with Millsaps, Centre, Trinity. But without King? No offense to Cal Rose, who sometimes can shoot lights out, but they're suddenly fighting to get into the tournament.

By his very presence, King forces - understand, forces - a perennial league doormat into suddenly being competitive. Are his stats partially a reflection of how much he must play and all that he must do? Sure. But rarely can one player so accutely represent the sum of his team's fortunes.

Let's look at some of the names I brought up previously: Mike Howland had Joe Nixon and Joe Ringger. Russ Churchwell had Stan Goldberg. Thomas Adams had Waguespack and that one point guard with the good court vision and springy hair (what was his last name...Ezekiel? Frizelle?  ;) ) Many of the POY's in the past played with guys who also made All-SCAC. Could their teams have gone maybe as far without them? Probably not. But they still would have been in the league's top half.

To me, King fits the bill of a "most valuable player," simply because he means the most to his team. I think it's hard to argue wth that.

Anyhow, that's just my $0.02.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 16, 2008, 04:49:30 PM
Gus, based on the little smiley icon, I figure you know that the long haired point guard was my nephew Travis.  The hair obviously attracted its fair share of comments from the student sections when Millsaps was on the road.  The one I liked best was when the DePauw students were yelling at him to get off the court because the girls had played at 6. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 16, 2008, 07:13:22 PM
let's hypothetically say that Stephen Schott were on Hendrix's team and he got as many shots as he wanted.  Schott would have the exact same numbers.  YES, King is a good player in this league, is he the best? i can't say that.

Wes, I agree with everything you say, and that's why I referenced to the Jason Morris argument (style of play, surrounding teammates), BUT watching Schott progress, he has seemed like the same player.  DePauw has always run with the ball, and they've always had good players.  I was saying that I was disappointed because I really thought he was on pace for a Bettis and Ringer type career.  He's been good, don't get me wrong, but I thought he'd turn out to be the primary focus of the team as well as a nationally honored player.  I'm not talking about his current performance, I'm talking about his progression.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 16, 2008, 08:25:33 PM
And so was I.  Those things we both listed prevent you from becoming a dominant 5.  FYI - Bettis was a 15 & 8 guy.  Schott in his career is roughly a 14 & 7 guy. 

Now if you meant that he was going to turn into Joe Ringger, that's different.  I didn't see much chance of a similar career between those two.  They are listed within 5 pounds of each other, but I can assure you that Ringger was much stronger and heavier in the middle.  A completely different style player in what was a different style of offense at the time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on January 16, 2008, 09:20:09 PM
 Frank: To my knowledge, Travis was never heckled in Conway. Mainly because given the makeup of the Hendrix student body during my time there, making fun of any player's hairstyle would have been hypocrisy of the highest order.

Dave: I disagree, based on King's numbers last year. King had an outstanding sophomore season, and that was with scoring help from Matt Secrease and Michael Bennett. You can argue that King's point totals this year are a result of being fed the ball constantly, but that doesn't explain his equally-effective rebounding totals. Plus, given that the rest of the Warriors' starting five has been inconsistent in its scoring, one can argue that King has had a tougher time scoring as a junior since he's now the focal point of the defense (teams couldn't really sag down with Secrease out there.) Also, keep in mind that compared to some SCAC pivots, King is actually somewhat undersized against his defenders.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 16, 2008, 10:12:26 PM
If Andrew King is such a beast and should be Player of the Year, why after an outstanding weekend was he not even nominated by his peers as Player of the Week after averaging 20 pts, 15 rbs? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 16, 2008, 10:22:53 PM
Major Fan:

By peers.. do u mean other players?? As i understand it, the coaches nominate a player for player of the week.. not other players
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 17, 2008, 08:48:19 AM
It is a shame when a player puts up outstanding numbers but does not get proper consideration because he/she plays on a team that does not finish well. 

Having said that, if two players have similar numbers, the player on the better team deserves the award.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 17, 2008, 08:56:58 AM
Quote from: Major_Fan on January 16, 2008, 10:12:26 PM
If Andrew King is such a beast and should be Player of the Year, why after an outstanding weekend was he not even nominated by his peers as Player of the Week after averaging 20 pts, 15 rbs? 

Was that necessary?  :-\

While I agree that Andrew will not receive much consideration for POY, as Gus mentioned this was supposed to be a rebuilding year for the Warriors after the loss of a large part of their scoring from last season.

I applaud the coaches and players for the job they've done so far.  Don't forget how low this program was just a few years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 17, 2008, 09:38:00 AM
Actually, I think King will receive strong consideration for POTY and it wouldn't surprise me if he won.  It's just that in the history of the SCAC, the award has gone to a member of the 1st or 2nd place team in 13 of 15 years, and only once to a player whose team finished near or below .500 in conference play.

The Hendrix program has come a long way in just a few years and King has been a big part in that revival.  I don't think I need to remind anyone, but let's remember that these recent discussion about King, Devins, Churchwell, etc., are regarding how they rank among the very elite in the SCAC.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 17, 2008, 09:54:18 AM
I totally agree with you Frank.  I feel that in King's case this season, if Hendrix is able to finish in the top 3 or 4, POY will definitely go to him, he's made too big of an impact.  I can't see him winning if they finish lower than that because I feel as though most coaches have a similar opinion that a few of us in this argument do, winning Trumps all. 

Wes, I was meaning more of a Ringer type player, because he came in with great size for a freshman and put up something like 13/8 or 12/7.  He has been a very good player, but I thought he had the tools at a young age to bust out as a player we would be talking about as the "elite."  I'm not taking shots at him, I just think he should be in the mix for POY, even with good players around him.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 17, 2008, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on January 16, 2008, 10:02:32 AM
the games this weekend:

8:00 PM  Sewanee at  Hendrix       
   8:00 PM  Centre at Austin  (Centre by 15)    
   8:00 PM  DePauw at  Colorado Col.   (DePauw by 12)   
   8:00 PM  Rhodes at  Trinity (Tex.)   (Trinity by 16)    
   9:00 PM  Birmingham Southern at  Southwestern (Tex.)  (Birmingham by 5)      
   9:00 PM  Oglethorpe at  Millsaps  (Millsaps by 8)    
Jan. 19  9:00 PM  Rhodes at  Southwestern (Tex.)  (Southwestern by 3)   
Jan. 20  2:00 PM  DePauw at  Austin  (DePauw by 15)    
   2:00 PM  Birmingham Southern at  Trinity (Tex.)   (Trinity by 6)   
   3:00 PM  Oglethorpe at  Hendrix  (Hendrix by 2)   
   4:00 PM  Sewanee at  Millsaps   (Millsaps by 12)   
   4:00 PM  Centre at  Colorado Col. (Centre by 15)

anyone else?


Getting back to the subject at hand, namely conference play, I see some interesting games on the schedule this week.  I quoted the above just to get the schedule in my post, not to specifically comment on Dave's picks.

I could understand the temptation of those who want to pick an upset to look for OU over Millsaps.  OU beat DePauw on the road and they are in 2nd place iin the East.  They also have the style that sometimes scores in a hurry and Millsaps will occasionally give up a big lead.  I think this will be a good game, but I think the more likely upset is DePauw at Colorado.  It's a long road trip, DePauw is playing inconsistent basketball, and I think Colorado must have gotten some confidence from the two fairly close losses last weekend.

I think BSC will lose both games in Texas.  As in football, there seems to be a gap between BSC at home and how they play on the road, a gap that might be a little larger than what you would see from a more veteran team. 

On Sunday, I'll take my chances with OU over Hendrix as the upset special.  I think OU is going to really motivated his weekend, wanting to keep that #2 spot in the East.  If they win at Millsaps on Friday, then they will really be pumped up to get the road sweep on Sunday.  If they lose Friday, then they will see the Sunday game as a must win.  Either way, I think they'll play very well in Conway on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beans82 on January 17, 2008, 02:25:58 PM
I have been following the SCAC for some time now and recently learned of this website.  I would like to comment on the whole Devins, Churchwell, Morris, etc. thoughts.....First, I agree in complete with Dave, the one thing that the best players ever do is make the players around them better than they are.  Devins did that, Morris did that (hence the reason everyone seems to think he didn't improve is proposterous), Churchwell did not.  Stats are great, but they are a direct result of your competition, your team's style of play, and your coaching style.  To say that Churchwell is as good as Devins, Morris, Burt, Waguespack, Bettis, even P. Murray, is a long shot in my view. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 17, 2008, 03:55:04 PM
I'll agree that in most cases style of play can enhance stats.. yes a player may score more.. but i think the most important factors to be considered are: 1) does the player make his team and teammates better.. and 2) how efficient is the player. (shooting %, turnovers and a few other stats)

Lets be honest: If a player is to be considered for player of the year.. they must play on a conference title contender and they have to put up respectable or good numbers..

Not trying to hide my identity.. (Andrew Tulowitzky OU, 07') But my teammates and I knew that I had no real chance of winning player of the year last year.   With Millsaps, Centre and Depauw dominating the conference.. it seemed obvious that Nestheide, Brown, or Montgomery would win the POY.  Turns out I was right.. All 3 guys put up good numbers.. (Montgomery's #'s probably being the best) and they played on the best 3 teams.. Chances are the POY is going to come from a team that is above 7-7 or 8-6 in conference play.. (haha.. I will add that we played the toughest conference schedule last year, we played the top 3 teams twice, that amounted to 6 of our 7 conf losses.. thus showing we were not an elite team)

I think King's numbers are great.. I think he is a very good player.. my guess however is that he wont win POY.. because I think Hendrix will finish middle of the pack.. and recent history suggests that for that reason he wont win the award. 

Back to conference play: OU always plays tough at Millsaps but I think Millsaps will hold on for a win there.. I think Centre will sweep.. Depauw will get back on track and sweep.. Trinity will sweep.. Hendrix and Rhodes will probably split.. I think it will be a competitive weekend.. should be alot of close games
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 17, 2008, 04:23:37 PM
Quote from: spfan22 on January 16, 2008, 10:22:53 PM
Major Fan:

By peers.. do u mean other players?? As i understand it, the coaches nominate a player for player of the week.. not other players

SID's typically are the ones who submit nominations, often with input from coaches, FYI.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 17, 2008, 04:43:25 PM
thanks Jekelish.. I was under that assumption.. but I was not 100% sure about that.. thanks for clearing that up for me :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 17, 2008, 05:24:05 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 17, 2008, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on January 16, 2008, 10:02:32 AM
the games this weekend:

8:00 PM  Sewanee at  Hendrix       
   8:00 PM  Centre at Austin  (Centre by 15)    
   8:00 PM  DePauw at  Colorado Col.   (DePauw by 12)   
   8:00 PM  Rhodes at  Trinity (Tex.)   (Trinity by 16)    
   9:00 PM  Birmingham Southern at  Southwestern (Tex.)  (Birmingham by 5)      
   9:00 PM  Oglethorpe at  Millsaps  (Millsaps by 8)    
Jan. 19  9:00 PM  Rhodes at  Southwestern (Tex.)  (Southwestern by 3)   
Jan. 20  2:00 PM  DePauw at  Austin  (DePauw by 15)    
   2:00 PM  Birmingham Southern at  Trinity (Tex.)   (Trinity by 6)   
   3:00 PM  Oglethorpe at  Hendrix  (Hendrix by 2)   
   4:00 PM  Sewanee at  Millsaps   (Millsaps by 12)   
   4:00 PM  Centre at  Colorado Col. (Centre by 15)

anyone else?

Here's what I like for the weekend:

Jan 18

Hendrix by 15 over Sewanee
Millsaps by 10 over Oglethorpe
Trinity by 15 against Rhodes
Southwestern wins by 3 over Birmingham Southern
DePauw over Colorado College by 12
Centre beats Austin by 11

Jan 19

Rhodes by 1 over Southwestern 9 (my upset prediction)

Jan 20

Trinity wins by 9 over Birmingham Southern
Oglethorpe by 5 over Hendrix
Millsaps beats Sewanee by 21
DePauw wins over Austin by 10
Centre beats Colorado College by 15

I'll see one live game this weekend - Hendrix hosting Sewanee Friday night.



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2008, 05:24:15 PM
Conference news ...

Steve Argo, the only full-time commissioner the SCAC has ever had, resigned today (http://www.scac-online.org/argoresigns.htm).   Current associate commissioner Dwayne Hanberry has been appointed interim commissioner.

Trinity AD Bob King has been named to a four-year term (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/King_ChComm.htm) on the nine-member NCAA Division III Championships Committee, which supervises qualification and selection procedures for all Division III championships, as well as overseeing administrative issues related to the events.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 17, 2008, 06:48:56 PM
For those of you who are interested, the Oglethorpe/Millsaps games on Friday night at 6 and 8 p.m. CST will have live audio courtesy of OU.  Brick Faucette and Brett Wise will handle play-by-play.  Attached is the link.

http://www.oglethorpe.edu/athletics/listen_live.asp

My prediction with a strong OU press ... Millsaps 78, OU 73 (men)
On the women's side ... OU 80, Millsaps 63
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 17, 2008, 07:03:41 PM
I thinks those are very solid picks.. Hopefully OU can keep it close.. not a big fan of moral victories.. but if an unexperienced OU team can hang tough on the road with a great team like Millsaps.. I would have to consider that some sort of moral victory
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on January 17, 2008, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on January 16, 2008, 10:12:26 PM
If Andrew King is such a beast and should be Player of the Year, why after an outstanding weekend was he not even nominated by his peers as Player of the Week after averaging 20 pts, 15 rbs? 

Because Cal Rose was nominated by averaging 23 pts and being a momentum changer last weekend
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 17, 2008, 08:36:00 PM
Good point.  The more you win POTW, however, I think gives you a slight, slight edge at the end of the season for Player of the Year consideration ... therefore I think King should've been nominated.  Rose did play well I see.  On another note, go Heels ... 18-0 ... I about crapped my pants last night watching the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 17, 2008, 08:51:19 PM
Quote from: tarheelfan on January 17, 2008, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on January 16, 2008, 10:12:26 PM
If Andrew King is such a beast and should be Player of the Year, why after an outstanding weekend was he not even nominated by his peers as Player of the Week after averaging 20 pts, 15 rbs? 

Because Cal Rose was nominated by averaging 23 pts and being a momentum changer last weekend

agreed.  despite King's big rebounding numbers against AC, for example, he didn't reach double figures scoring and really struggled with his shooting percentage...don't remember exact numbers, but he was something like 3-14, whereas Rose just hit big shot after big shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 17, 2008, 08:54:59 PM
I"m looking forward to seeing King play this weekend.  I'll have an opinion on him and whether he's POY material.
Things in his favor - scoring & rebounding with a team that has improved.  Weakness - poor shooter for a post player.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 17, 2008, 09:10:04 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on January 17, 2008, 06:48:56 PM
For those of you who are interested, the Oglethorpe/Millsaps games on Friday night at 6 and 8 p.m. CST will have live audio courtesy of OU.  Brick Faucette and Brett Wise will handle play-by-play.  Attached is the link.

http://www.oglethorpe.edu/athletics/listen_live.asp

Brett didn't make the trip,  I'll be doing my best at the one man play-by-play.  Looking forward to a great game.

Frank, I'm sure I'll see you there taking pictures.  Stop by the table and say hi if you get a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on January 17, 2008, 10:15:42 PM
 More of my feelings re: Player of the Year and the selection process...

We've established the inclination to give the award to a player that also plays on a successful team. That seems to be the accepted method, and it seems to sit well with folks.

But here's a question: Why penalize a player that is clearly superior to most of his competitors simply because of his choice of school?

I'll use Russ Churchwell as an example (I swear I do not have a man-crush on the guy, even though this is like the seventh post in which I've evoked his name.) You can argue that based on his numbers and sheer talent that Churchwell should have been given a POTY award at some point in his career. You can also argue - as many have - that Oglethorpe's lack of success during his tenure justifiably precluded him from picking up the hardware.

But in what way is that the fault of the player? Why bar a clearly superior athlete from being in the running for an award because he plays for a bottom-teir team? The reasons for a team slogging through mediocrity are veried and multifaceted, ranging from coaching to recruiting to academics to attitudes to even recreational drug use.

A popular phrase in the basketball world is "the best players make those around them play better." Too true. But at some point, there's only so much said player can do. You can't patch a levee breach with bubblegum, and quite frankly, Oglethorpe struggled through some lean years without much talent and help.

Not often does a top-tier talent land at a bottom-tier program. But it does happen from time to time, and in the case of Andrew King, sometimes the arrival actually elevates the program. But even if it doesn't, why force the player to climb a bigger hill and push a bigger boulder simply because he chose a less successful program? It's not his fault that the team isn't in the top three, nor is it his fault if the players around him cannot compete on the college level.

Am I saying that Andrew King is far and away the POTY and any award to the contrary is a swindle along the lines of the OJ verdict? Lord no. There are a few young men at Millsaps and Centre who may beg to argue.

But I don't believe that King should have to do even more heavy lifting than the other POTY candidates just because he plays at Hendrix. While he's not necessarily in a Neal Power situation, I do believe King could produce slightly lesser numbers were he at a Trinity or Millsaps and actually have more support for POTY. And that's not necessarily logical.

[Forgive the over-longness of the preceeding. Boredom + Starbucks = what you just read.]
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 18, 2008, 08:36:58 AM
Before we slice, dice and puree this subject to death, we might want to wait and see how the season plays out.  Hendrix is 3-2 in the conference with a reasonable chance to go to 5-2 this weekend.  After that they have 4 SCAC games where they will have a decent chance to win (Rhodes, Austin, Colorado and Southwestern) and 4 SCAC games where they can open some eyes with an upset (DePauw, Centre, Trinity and Millsaps).  As the season unfolds, the thoughts of who will win and who should win will become a little clearer.

I don't think that OU has to break into the top 4 for King to have a good shot at POTY, but it would really help his case if he could help put Hendrix right below them.  And by the way for all the OU fans, I realize that at the moment it is OU in that top 4, not DePauw.  I'm just going by the preseason predictions as the season is playing out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2008, 09:18:29 AM
Condolences to the Rhodes community on the death of David Ramsey, beloved Music Professor, who was the long-time timekeeper at Lynx basketball games in Mallory Gym. David was a wonderful organist who is probably better known through the years as the organist for professional Memphis baseball teams (AAA Memphis Redbirds). His positive demeanor and smiling face will be missed at the scorer's table.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 18, 2008, 01:28:41 PM
My weekend forecast:

8:00 PM  Sewanee at  Hendrix       
   8:00 PM  Centre at Austin (Centre wins by 18)   
   8:00 PM  DePauw at  Colorado Col.  (DePauw by 25)
   8:00 PM  Rhodes at  Trinity (Tex.)  (Trinity by 11)
   9:00 PM  Birmingham Southern at  Southwestern  (BSC by 8)    
   9:00 PM  Oglethorpe at  Millsaps  (Millsaps by 15)
Jan. 19  9:00 PM  Rhodes at  Southwestern  (Southwestern by 5)
Jan. 20  2:00 PM  DePauw at  Austin  (DePauw by 8)
   2:00 PM  Birmingham Southern at  Trinity (Tex.)  (Trinity by 10)   
   3:00 PM  Oglethorpe at  Hendrix  (Hendrix by 5)
   4:00 PM  Sewanee at  Millsaps  (Millsaps by 30)
   4:00 PM  Centre at  Colorado Col.  (Centre by 20)

wish i could forecast a couple AC victories, but right now that's just not in the cards.  Centre hammered us twice last year, so tonight's game, despite AC having improved, will still be a tough one.

however, i wouldn't be surprised to see AC keep both games <10 points this weekend, but it all depends on if they can keep their bigs out of foul trouble.  the points from Kola Alade in the backcourt are a given, and Chris Sturtevant will probably give them around 15 and 8 each game, so it's just a matter of how the rest of the team steps up.  potential "unsung heroes" should the 'Roos manage to hang with and potentially upset either Centre or DePauw: guards Marc Nickell and Adam Bishop

still, it's a pretty safe bet that Centre and DePauw will walk out of Hughey Gym with wins this weekend.  AC is getting there, it will just take a bit more time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: billzeffer on January 18, 2008, 02:59:04 PM
beans82, i noticed you included peter murray into your discussion about POY.  I thought Peter was a solid contributor on some very good Trinity teams but I don't think he was ever a guy that any of the teams were scared of.  I think playing with Devins helped him tremendously because he would get the second tallest player guarding him and at 6'8 that usually meant he had at least 4 inches to work with.  Morris and Devins were definately POY material, but I think Murray benefited from the system more than anyone else during his tenure.

Since my last upset special turned out to be a laugher in the wrong direction I think the Millsaps fans will thank me again because I'm going to go Ogelthorpe by 2 on the road in their Friday night matchup 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 18, 2008, 03:29:37 PM
Gus, good players on bad teams get all the credit they deserve.  that's why there are all-conference teams and player of the week honors.  no one is saying that because a really good player chooses to go to a poor program they are getting "shafted" on recognition.  Russ Churchwell made the 15 year anniversary team!!! that's a terrific honor.  POY has a direct correlation with team success, I'm sure King will find his way on 1st team all-conference if he doesn't end up winning POY.  how is that penalizing him in any way?  With that rationale, the actual person being penalized would be the Reggie Mags, Aaron Bowsers, Quinten Masons, for putting up good numbers and making their good teams win conferences, but getting passed up on POY voting because they didn't play on a worse team and put up all-american statistics.  I have known players/coaches who don't think lower-rung team's players should even be on any of the all-conference teams, but obviously a larger majority believe otherwise (and i totally agree with the majority).  This argument makes this season all the more interesting for me!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 18, 2008, 05:04:20 PM
How was Magnusson and Bowers penalized.. They actually won player of the year.. Bowers in 04-05 and Magnusson in 05-06.. maybe I'm not understanding exactly what your argument is??
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 18, 2008, 06:10:30 PM
i'm sorry, i was referring to Gus' situation of IF players with superior stats but on a poor performing team won the POY award over players with slightly lesser stats but on conference championship contending teams.  It would be penalizing the players who are good players, make their teammates better (hence therefore their team is better), but have lower stats than his afformentioned "penalized" players. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: daBulls on January 18, 2008, 06:24:33 PM
BillZeffer, I believe you have it wrong.  It was Devins who benefited from Peter Murray's physical presence.  Peter Murray was the most underated player on that team.  If you put him on any other team during that time and he puts up MVP numbers.  Murray is what Johnny Brunini was to the great Millsaps teams of the mid 90's.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 18, 2008, 09:32:57 PM
AC leads Centre 16-10 with 9:50 left in the first and Kola Alade about to shoot a free throw coming out of a CC timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2008, 09:35:26 PM
Halftime score from Conway:
Hendrix 44 Sewanee 39; Guard Ben Warner of Hendrix hit a 33' 3-pointer at the buzzer. King and Rose have 9 each with sub Bertrand leading with 11. King has 5 or 6 rebounds. Grizzle and Pursell are leading the Tigers in scoring. 1st time in the new gym - should stack up well to host the tournament, just not as well located centrally to all of the teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 18, 2008, 09:39:07 PM
19-16 AC leads Centre with 5:49 to play.  It was 19-10, but consecutive threes from Centre have cut the lead down.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 18, 2008, 09:57:09 PM
Halftime: Centre 22, AC 21

unforced turnovers and cold shooting down the stretch by the 'Roos allowed Centre to chip away and take the lead.

Sturtevant with 8 and 5 at the half, Alade with 7 points for the 'Roos.  Thomason with 6 points and three boards, and Nestheide with 4 points, 3 assists for Centre.

both teams are struggling with their shots, with Centre hitting just 9-of-25 so far and AC 8-of-24.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2008, 10:23:25 PM
Hendrix is 4 minutes away from its 10th win, leading 74-59. A sloppy half of basketball with lots of Warrior turnovers, but they've scored at will. Pursell fouled out with about 9 minutes to go.  Sewanee shot a decent percentage in the 1st 20 minutes, but has stunk up the gym in the 2nd half. Cal Rose and Andrew King are producing most of the points.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2008, 10:25:04 PM
Jekelish, keep up the banter on Austin-Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 18, 2008, 10:29:09 PM
50-44, Centre leads with 6:48 left.

Sturtevant caught fire for the 'Roos and has 20, but every time they get it to two or three points the Colonels come up with a clutch basket and a stop to push the lead back up.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2008, 10:34:30 PM
Hendrix wins 85-71
Rose scores 26; King 19.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 18, 2008, 10:36:43 PM
62-50 Centre leads...a three by Thomason and now it's about to be a four point play by Britt.  AC's been trying to hang in, but they just don't have nearly the same firepower as the Colonels.  Sturtevant and Alade have combined for 35 of their 50 points.  3:11 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 18, 2008, 10:39:58 PM
62-53, AC with the ball and no timeouts remaining, 1:51 on the clock.
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Post by: jekelish on January 18, 2008, 10:44:27 PM
might have spoken too soon...

62-59 with 1:17 left, Sturtevant came up with the steal and on the break got taken down with an intentional foul, sank both free throws and now the 'Roos have the ball with a chance to cut it to one or tie things up.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 18, 2008, 10:47:25 PM
64-62 with 33.6 seconds left, Centre with possession...12 on the shot clock.

Centre got two free throws from Thomason to make it 64-59, but Kyle Lintelman of AC answered with a three to cut it to a two point game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2008, 10:53:49 PM
Any final score in Sherman yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 18, 2008, 10:59:35 PM
Centre holds on 68-62.  AC had it's chances, down 65-62 with the ball, but Alade was blocked and Centre knocked down 3-of-4 free throws down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2008, 11:12:37 PM
Thanks for the post on Austin-Centre.  Sounds like your Roos played their socks off.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2008, 11:15:18 PM
Wondering how the OU-Millsaps game went - any word on it Frank?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 18, 2008, 11:17:14 PM
Millsaps beats OU by a significant amount.  The lead was in the 20's midway through the first half and it kind of stayed in the 20's to 30's for the rest of the game.  Millsaps hit 16 of 27 3-pointers with Blake Martinez hitting 6 of 7 to lead Millsaps in scoring.  Final score 103-76 and the halftime score was 55-35.  

It was certainly one of the best games I've seen Millsaps play if not the best.  More info to come in a few minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 18, 2008, 11:27:32 PM
Link to Millsaps-OU stats:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-011808.htm

I checked the play-by-play and Millsaps had a 20 point lead before the game hit the 10:00 mark.  It was really a complete team effort and while the 3-point shooting was above the norm, they shot like this against Loyola also.  Tonight it was Blake who hit 6 of 7, but there are about 5 guys on the team who are capable of having a night like that.

I'll get back with just a little more in a few minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2008, 11:45:47 PM
Yea, I saw the box score - 16 of 27 from 3-point land!
Trinity beat Rhodes 77-64.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 19, 2008, 12:01:34 AM
One last Millsaps-OU post:

I know the Millsaps coaches were expecting a very tough game tonight and I understand why after seeing the OU team.  They are a big and athletic team and we all know that OU will always have a few guys who can shoot the 3. I do think OU is a better team than what they showed tonight and I won't be surprised if they pull off several more "upset" wins this season like the win at DePauw.

As for Millsaps this evening, they did a good job of playing up to their full potential.  They took care of the ball (only 16 TO's and 28 assists), they created good shots and made the majority of those shots, they played good team defense, and they showed a lot of depth.  It was the best I've seen a Millsaps team play and yet there is room for improvement as Montgomery and Rogan only hit 8 of 24 shots combined.  Also keep in mind that Rogan didn't play the last 18 minutes against Trinity, another indication of the depth of the Millsaps team and the potential for them to play just a little better when Rodney is back at 100%.

It will be interesting to see if Millsaps plays this hard and this well against Sewanee or will they have a let down in the last game before the big road trip to Centre and DePauw?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 19, 2008, 09:16:05 AM
A cut and paste from another thread that is keeping up with the undefeated and the winless in D3 basketball--this was prior to the Friday night games:

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"Undefeated  (2)  Rochester, UMass Dartmouth

Undefeated vs D3  (3)  Widener, Puget Sound, Millsaps

Winless  (6)  Alma, Denison, Colorado College, Rockford, Lancaster Bible, Mitchell

Winless vs D3  (7)  Blackburn, Delaware Valley, Franciscan, MacMurray, Northland, Presentation, UMPI"
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I found it surprising that only 5 D3 teams are undefeated or undefeated against D3 opponents--the Millsaps loss was to D1 Southeastern Louisiana.  Centre isn't on the list because of their opening loss to Rust.

Being on this list is a combination of talent, good luck and scheduling.  Coming into this season it was known that Millsaps had talent in the starters with all of them returning.  The unknown was the bench strength and that has been a pleasant surprise.  As for luck, it was bad luck to lose starter Deone Oscar but good luck that he was a starter at a position where Millsaps had three potential starters, and Rodney Rogan was out during a 3 game stretch that wasn't the toughest stretch on the schedule.

Regarding the schedule, the tougher away games are yet to come with Centre, DePauw, Trinity and Southwestern.  If Millsaps plays on the road like they did at home against Belhaven, Loyola, Trinity and Oglethorpe, then they can win anywhere, but that's a big if.  For now, the big challenge is to play against Sewanee with the same energy that they showed last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2008, 10:09:40 AM
I can only find 10 games of SCAC teams versus the ASC this year.

Trinity has home wins over TLU (1-12*) by 67-65 and HSU (6-7**) by 66-64.

Southwestern has a road loss to HSU (6-7**) 59-85.

Austin College has a road loss to UT-Dallas (10-4) by 55-71 and home loss 72-82 and home loss to LeTourneau (8-7) 55-57 and road loss to LeTourneau by 53-58.

Hendrix lost at home to Ozarks (6-8*) , 82-93.

Millsaps has one home win over LaCollege (5-9***) 63-61.

Sewanee has a home win over UT-Tyler (6-8** ) 75-70.

(The asterisks designate losses to D-1 schools.)  The ASC leads ths series 6-4.  I look forward to seeing how the ASC and the SCAC do in the post-season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 19, 2008, 10:46:47 AM
great observation frank.  millsaps has always found a way to be good at home.  The real key that will define this team is how they play on the road.  I'm pretty confident that they are capable of beating any team in this conference, anywhere, but it's a matter of whether or not they can bring their "A" game to oppenent's floors.  I'm looking forward to Millsaps making a good run (except I do expect Trinity to put up a great fight in the mix). 

on that note, i'm pleased with the victories Trinity has been able to put up in the SCAC (5-1 record with 5 wins averaging +20, and the one loss coming AT Millsaps by 6).  This junior class is something special and Patrick Robinson had a tremendous shooting night again!!! 8-11 with 6-7 from 3's!!!  These big wins are giving coach Cunningham a chance to play a lot of guys (15 guys played last night, with 11 playing at least 10 minutes).    This year's SCAC tourney could turn out to be the most competitive yet! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 19, 2008, 11:58:18 AM
Millsaps/OU Game Recap:
http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=8lof0nknm108ha3t

The Majors scored 32 points in transition because of the Oglethorpe press.  Sophomore Blake Martinez went nuts from 3-point range to score a career-high 18 points.  Ahmad Kareem Shaheed was frustrated in the paint, but Craig Jackson made up for that with outstanding shooting from the perimeter.  He led the Petrels with 22.  The game with Sewanee on Sunday shouldn't even be close, but that's why they play the games.  Millsaps 83, Sewanee 63.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 19, 2008, 12:24:49 PM
Frank, you may be looking at a Sunday letdown against Sewanee with the road games to follow at Centre and DePauw.  However, I still think the Majors will prevail with relative ease.  UOS has a solid performer in the post with Pursell, but not much of a supporting cast on the perimeter.  I discovered through viewing the game last night at Hendrix and prior conversations with several coaches that had played them that they lack skilled shooting. Pursell got into foul trouble last night and his teammates couldn't bail him out when he had to go to the bench. Defense and intensity of play for the Tigers is only so-so at best. Pursell is backed up by a freshman 6'9" who is probably a year away from being a consistent performer. An average performance by the Majors tomorrow afternoon will still probably generate a win by a 15-20 pt. margin.

I am happy the Colonels were able to escape Sherman with a victory last night. Centre actually shot a fairly high percentage but struggled to put the game away in the late stages. They've had 2 consecutive wayward sort of road wins. They are going to have to get rested and ready to play at CC for Sunday. I think Colorado College will be primed for this match-up and the Colonels must not look ahead or the upset bug could bite.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 19, 2008, 12:55:30 PM
While Pursell was on the bench with foul troubles much of the night, he was also being seen by the trainer at times during the game last night.  He was on the floor trying to stretch and back in the tunnel behind the bench at several times during the game.  It appeared to be maybe a stiff back, but that's just speculation.

The Warriors had 30 points off the bench last night to help King & Rose.  When the Tigers tried to really stop Rose late in the first half, Bertrand hit a couple of big shots.

Should be an exciting game in Conway on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 19, 2008, 07:50:58 PM
Fans can follow the action on the Rhodes-Southwestern game tonight on CSTV's Gametracker via the Pirates' website beginning at 8 pm CT.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 19, 2008, 09:02:21 PM
I guess I should weigh in on Andrew King after watching him last night. He had a nice game - 19 points and 11 or 12 rebounds. What struck me about his play Friday from last year was his unselfishness and his improved court awareness. He didn't turn the ball over frequently and he made several good passes to teammates for clutch baskets. Maturity is definitely showing. He also shot better than I expected, or perhaps I should say he took good shots, not forcing lots of bad ones. Once he even stepped to 15 ft from the basket and swished the jumper. Average defender at best. Still not ready to put him down as the POTY, but he looks to be improved from the 2006-2007 campaign.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 19, 2008, 10:31:30 PM
 Where is the pflight of the petril's prediction post of Colorado College over Depauw by I believe 2 pts? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 19, 2008, 10:59:20 PM
Southwestern beats Rhodes.  My upset prediction was only good for the 1st 20 minutes as the Pirates prevail 80-71. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 19, 2008, 11:34:51 PM
HAHAH  :o  that prediction looked pretty good huh?    I just figured with Millsaps recent struggle with the Colorado Tigers and Depauws struggles as of late it was a decent upset prediction.  After the 34 point BEATDOWN! the DPU Tigers threw down they have officially made me look like an idiot.   3-4 so far in my predictions... I think this will be my first and last week of making any projections as I have not done very well :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 20, 2008, 12:56:23 AM
Quote from: brave heart on January 19, 2008, 10:31:30 PM
Where is the pflight of the petril's prediction post of Colorado College over Depauw by I believe 2 pts? ;D

And you might add that I also said that the more likely upset was Colorado over DePauw rather than OU over Millsaps.  As it turned out, both games followed form except the margin of victory in both cases was probably larger than what most would have expected.  Just going by the scores, DePauw seems to be a team with a split personality.  I expect them to win at Austin on Sunday, but I also expected them to win at BSC last Sunday.  They are just a hard team to figure at this time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2008, 01:08:33 AM
Despite DePauw's split personality and their struggles so far, they might be this year's sleeper come tournament time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 20, 2008, 01:16:06 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 20, 2008, 12:56:23 AM
Quote from: brave heart on January 19, 2008, 10:31:30 PM
Where is the pflight of the petril's prediction post of Colorado College over Depauw by I believe 2 pts? ;D

And you might add that I also said that the more likely upset was Colorado over DePauw rather than OU over Millsaps.  As it turned out, both games followed form except the margin of victory in both cases was probably larger than what most would have expected.  Just going by the scores, DePauw seems to be a team with a split personality.  I expect them to win at Austin on Sunday, but I also expected them to win at BSC last Sunday.  They are just a hard team to figure at this time.

Let me go ahead and introduce you to DPU's split personalities. They're really quite alike, except for one fundamental difference: one can shoot the three, and one can not.

It really does seem to be that simple. When the Tigers are hitting from the land of plenty, they're awfully tough to beat. When they're not... well, just see results from games against Wabash (7-for-27), Oglethorpe (9-for-31), and Birmingham Southern (7-for-20).

Also, in those three games - in my mind, three games in which DPU was the more talented squad - the Tigers got out-rebounded and out-hustled. Looked in those games like all the missed threes created a lot of frustration, which the Tigers sometimes let affect their effort and concentration levels.

I think their 3-2 SCAC record is awfully deceiving. These guys are all good shooters, but if they get into a funk it seems to be contagious. It can be dangerous to live by the three and die by the three like DPU has thus far, but if the triples are falling... I wouldn't want to face them with any team in this conference.

Gotta figure out how to win on Sunday in the SCAC though. Let's see if they can clear that hurdle against Austin today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 20, 2008, 09:48:30 AM
Without a doubt, a team that counts on the 3 can be in big trouble when the shots are falling.  In the other unmentioned loss, DePauw hit 9 of 20 against Centre and for the season they are the best 3-point shooting team in the SCAC, hitting over 40%.  They are also 2nd in the league with a .746 on free throws and 3rd in the league with .474 from the field.  It sounds like there are the best shooting team in the league, and what might seem like a poor shooting night to a DePauw fan might not seem so bad to fans of other teams.

I 100% agree with your statement that DePauw is still a very dangerous team and maybe as good a pick as any to win the tournament, but possibly their outstanding shooting is masking some other problem.  Afterall, the 3-point shooting percentages you mentioned come out to 29.4% and if you throw in the Centre game the 3-point shooting in the losses comes to 32.7%, not great, but not exactly horrible. 

And another possibility is that there is no problem at all.  The loss at Centre isn't a bad loss considering that Centre is 13-1.  The loss at Wabash (10-5) doesn't seem to be a bad loss.  After seeing the OU team, the loss to OU might have been an upset of sorts but OU looks like a team that could beat anyone on a given night.  And the loss to BSC does seem like a bad loss since it was by 15 points, but BSC appears to have a very solid program with an 8-6 record and close losses on the road to OU, Southwestern and Emory.

All in all, I think DePauw is having a very good year that might not appear so good because they seemed set up for an outstanding year.  With their shooting and their experience, I still see them as a very difficult team to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 20, 2008, 11:13:37 AM
I can't say I know what kind of year DePauw is having, but I know 11-4 is nothing to sneeze at, and as much as I'd love to see the 'Roos pull out the win today, I just don't know that I see it.  As evidenced in the Centre game, we just don't have the depth and firepower to stay with the best teams in the conference for the full 40 minutes.  30-35 minutes, sure, but not the rest of the way...yet.

Of course, on Friday we really struggled shooting the ball, particularly Kola Alade (5-17 FG), and when your star player struggles it's going to be tough to pull off many upsets.  If we have a game when our two best players are both "on" then we might actually have a shot, especially if Spencer Burke keeps developing and plays like he did against Centre.  Not on offense, but just being a real presence in the middle and making players think twice about driving the lane.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 20, 2008, 11:24:00 AM
I think coach Fenlon needs to develope more trust in his young players including the Freshman.When the starters are cold and a couple of them have been known to go ice cold, he needs to look at the bench for more than a rest for the staters.Alot of talent is sitting there watching and nothing like a little competition to sharpen up the hustle of a Senior. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 20, 2008, 03:55:39 PM
AC and DePauw are locked at 33-33 at the half...Moore leading DePauw with 13 points, Mark Foster with 11 for the 'Roos...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 20, 2008, 04:52:38 PM
DPU 86, AC 70 - Final from Sherman. Moore a career high 32 despite a scratched cornea. Schott with 21 and 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2008, 05:44:07 PM
Centre beat CC 70-55.  Colorado College led at the break, but Thomas Britt and TC Thomason helped the Colonels step it up in the 2nd half. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 20, 2008, 05:51:43 PM
Oglethorpe escapes with a come from ahead victory over the Hendrix Warriors  71-70.  Oglethorpe improves to 9-6 and 4-2 in the SCAC.  Ward leads the Petrels with a clutch basket at the end and a team high 17 points and 8 boards.

David Allison stepped to the line with 2 seconds left and missed both free throws.  Hendrix tries a length of the court pass that is tipped out of bound by OU.  Hendrix gets the ball back on the far sideline with 1.7 seconds and the second inbound pass is tipped away by Chaz Smith to secure the victory.  Great road win for Oglethorpe.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 20, 2008, 06:18:18 PM
Lorenzo Bailey hits a shot in the lane with about 3-4 seconds to play to give Millsaps a 1 point win over Sewanee.  I think it was 76-75.  More coming in a few minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 20, 2008, 06:34:38 PM
I don't have a box score so I can't give exact numbers, but it felt like Millsaps played as bad this afternoon as they played good on Friday night.  The game started off with Sewanee taking an early lead and Millsaps coming back to tie the game and eventually take a lead of about 7-8 points at the end of the half.

Sewanee started the second half with a small run to get the score basically tied, then they built a lead of about 6-8, and Millsaps slowly chipped away until they tied it a couple of times and took some small leads.  The last 43 seconds provided a controversial call by the refs, one that most people would say that only a home team would get.  While I think the call was technically correct, it would be surprising for a road team to get the same call.

Sewanee had the ball and a 1-point lead with about 43 seconds to go.  This might not be exactly right, but they took a shot and Pursell got the ball under the backboard.  I was in the stands at the opposite free throw line so I can only say that it appeared to me that Pursell covered up the ball since he was surrounded by two Millsaps players and I think he expected to get fouled.  The ref called 3 seconds instead. 

Pursell was in the lane and he did have possession of the ball.  Three seconds in basketball often is not the same as three actual seconds on a stopwatch.  I think he may have had it in his possession for 3 real seconds, often not long enough for a 3 second call in basketball.  The result was that Millsaps got the ball with 12 seconds to go, the ball got to Lorenzo Bailey, and Bailey hit his third of 3 crucial 2-pointers in the closing minutes of the game.  Sewanee had time to get off a running 30-35 footer that did hit iron but wasn't really close to going in.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 20, 2008, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: jekelish on January 20, 2008, 11:13:37 AM
As evidenced in the Centre game, we just don't have the depth and firepower to stay with the best teams in the conference for the full 40 minutes.  30-35 minutes, sure, but not the rest of the way...yet.

boy to i hate being right all the time.  this was exactly the case again today for the AC/DePauw game, with it being a tough, good, tightly contested game until about the 10 minute mark of the second half, when DU went on a 21-10 run to open it up and put the 'Roos away.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 20, 2008, 06:59:49 PM
I see that BSC won 58-54 at Trinity after only losing by 2 (55-53) at Southwestern on Friday.  Based on their last 3 games, I guess the BSC team is for real.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2008, 07:02:20 PM
Need someone to chime in on the Birmingham Southern and Trinity game.  BSC won 58-54, so it sounds like a Pat Cunningham type game with defense; just the wrong team on top.  I'll be curious to hear about this game as well as Frank's assessment of the Sewanee-Millsaps tilt.  Centre's senior guard, Thomas Britt led the Colonels today in a strong second half with 22 points.  CC was up at the half and expanded the lead to 8 (35-27) two minutes into the 2nd half.  Then Centre began chipping away at the lead, creating some turnovers and a number of empty trips to the basket for CC.  It was good to see the Colonels scrap hard in the altitude during the final 20 minutes.  The starters played a lot.  I expect the coaching staff is glad this weekend is behind them.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2008, 07:03:55 PM
BSC has a decent perimeter game and solid coaching so some of these wins against SCAC opponents doesn't surprise. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 20, 2008, 08:00:54 PM
Here's the link to Millsaps-Sewanee box score, play-by-play, etc:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-012008.htm

I've been going through the photos and on the play with Pursell and the 3 seconds, he did pull down the ball and then squat down with the elbows out to protect the ball or get fouled and he was dead in the center of the lane.  Still photos don't show if he was fouled or how long he was in the lane, just that he was definitely in the lane waiting to be fouled.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 20, 2008, 08:05:59 PM
Crazy finish in Jackson ... Link to #23 Millsaps/Sewanee Box Score.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-012008.htm

Millsaps' Bailey hits a 5-foot jumper with 2.8 seconds left to hold off Tigers.  All the credit in the world to Sewanee and their tough play.  Great from the charity stripe (21-of-26) and all five scorers hit double figures, led by Pierson with 16 before he fouled out with 5:17 left.  For some reason he and the coaches thought he had just four fouls.  A key moment in the game as the Majors trailed by five, 68-63, when he left the game.  Bailey started the game 1-of-8 from the floor and scored 11 points (2 free throws) over the final 6:14 on 4-of-4 shooting.  Huge matchup at Danville, Ky., on Friday night ... the 15-1 Majors vs. the 14-1 Centre Colonels.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2008, 08:14:51 PM
Big time match-up indeed.  Wish I could be there for this one, but will not make it.  Are either Frank or Major_Fan covering this one?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on January 20, 2008, 09:40:32 PM
 Talk about mixed feelings. On one hand, Hendrix showed me more today in terms of intangibles than I think I've seen all year. Mere print doesn't fully communicate how well Oglethorpe shot the ball in the first half today. The Petrels were nailing shots from Little Rock, while none of Hendrix's players could get into an early rhythm. Andrew King looked out of sorts early, and Cal Rose had so many solid three-point attempts clang out of the basket that I wouldn't have held it against him had he opted to just leave the gym, go home and play video games.

The Warriors are to be commended for answering a rather loud bell and managing to take what I thought was a secure lead in the final two minutes. But victory always favors the team making the fewest mistakes, and Hendrix made a bushel in the final moments.

Folks, I can't stress this enough: Few things are more difficult than winning a Sunday road game in the SCAC, especially when it happens to be one of the longest road trips on your schedule. To say it's a "mental toughness" thing almost doesn't give it justice.

Oglethorpe coughed up a value meal-sized lead, yet managed to stage a mini-comeback in a gym they've never played in before. Lots of teams would have folded...I've seen better teams fold under lesser circumstances on Sunday.

But make no mistake: The Stormy Petrels had their grown man pants on today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 20, 2008, 10:22:04 PM
In San Antonio, BSC outscores Trinity 37-29 in the second half to post a 58-54 win.   The visitors were led by Aaron Parr's 16 (including 3-6 from beyond the arc) and 12 each from Daniel Hudson and Nathan West.  Patrick Robinson was the only Tiger to score in double figures with 12 (on 5-of-14 shooting).  Trinity outrebounded Birmingham-Southern 31-21 but shot only 43% to the visitors' 53%. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2008, 10:56:54 PM
That's high percentage for any one to shoot against Trinity.  How many of the shots were made from the 3-point line?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2008, 11:14:07 PM
I echo Gus' post on SCAC road games. This weekend was a bear for Centre traveling 3,000+ miles, first playing Friday night at Austin and then Sunday afternoon at Colorado College. Regardless of the competition, that's some bigtime travel for D3 to play 2 games. Two weeks from now they get to make yet another lengthy pilgrimage to San Antonio/Georgetown

I am pleased we got 2 wins this weekend; but it wouldn't have surprised me if we'd lost one of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2008, 12:29:57 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2008, 11:14:07 PM
I echo Gus' post on SCAC road games. This weekend was a bear for Centre traveling 3,000+ miles, first playing Friday night at Austin and then Sunday afternoon at Colorado College. Regardless of the competition, that's some bigtime travel for D3 to play 2 games. Two weeks from now they get to make yet another lengthy pilgrimage to San Antonio/Georgetown

I am pleased we got 2 wins this weekend; but it wouldn't have surprised me if we'd lost one of them.
I need some help here.  How hard is it to fly into major airports (Austin and San Antonio) and bus the 107 miles (1 hr 45 min) between SU and TU for the games? That is the closest travel pair in the SCAC.

UOS to OU:  165 miles/ 2hr 44 mins.

BSC to Rhodes:  235 miles/ 4 hr 12 mins.

Millsaps to Hendrix:  297 miles/ 5 hrs 32 mins.

DPU to Centre: 238 miles/ 4 hrs 8 mins.

Would it be easier to play the SU-TU leg over one night instead of two?

Austin College-Colorado College has to be the toughest -- elevation of the Springs is 6600 feet and 2 plane flights just to get there.



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 21, 2008, 12:50:29 AM
Amazing win for Millsaps tonight after looking at the boxscore. Millsaps outrebounded 43-20, outshot 50% to 39%, and hit 17 free throws to 21 for Sewanee, and the Majors still won the game. They might be the last south region team still undefeated against DIII competition?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 21, 2008, 08:47:56 AM
Chris, you are right about how one-sided the box score looked in Sewanee's favor.  The one spot where Millsaps won the game was just 6 turnovers compared to 21 for Sewanee.  This often overlooked stat has been a key factor in the Millsaps success all season.  As for the game yesterday, it was as ugly to watch as it looks in the box score. 

I'm busy during the games taking photos so my observations are spotty at best.  It was rather stunning that a team could play so well on Friday and so poorly on Sunday, but I got the feeling that there was so much intensity put into trying to prevent a letdown that it led to a team that seemed more uptight than I've seen them all year.  Millsaps was very lucky to go through a game like that and come out with a win, and I hope everyone will just relax and trust in the talent of the team when they play against Centre and DePauw. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2008, 10:31:57 AM
In response to Ralph, I was not insinuating that the Trinity/Southwestern leg was as difficult as Austin/CC. The idea of 2 plane trips to opponent sites in 1 season is unusual for Centre (we'll need to get used to this if the current schedules hold). Centre typically has to bus 1.5-2 hours to an airport to fly out. The Trinity/SW games are usually back-to-back nights which is different at most other SCAC venues where games are Friday night and Sunday afternoon. Actually I'm glad the Austin/CC games followed the standard Friday/Sunday script. I'm not sure logistics would have allowed for a Friday/Saturday night arrangement. My point - there's a fair amount of geography covered in this league; more this year than in the past with the entry of Colorado College.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 21, 2008, 11:51:39 AM
well, a sad sunday for Trinity it appears.  I'll have to ask around to find out what happened, but from the box scores it looked to be a typical Trinity dog fight with low scoring.  I'm anxious to see how the Tigers bounce back, but I guess a loss to BSC isn't a TERRIBLE thing at the moment.  17 TO's by Trinity (6 by point guard BJ Moon) doesn't look terrible, but in a low scoring and slower paced game, 15 TO's could be considered high.  This weekend is HUGE for Trinity because it's at oglethorpe and sewanne, both of which trinity has never played particularly well at either gym. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2008, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2008, 10:31:57 AM
In response to Ralph, I was not insinuating that the Trinity/Southwestern leg was as difficult as Austin/CC. The idea of 2 plane trips to opponent sites in 1 season is unusual for Centre (we'll need to get used to this if the current schedules hold). Centre typically has to bus 1.5-2 hours to an airport to fly out. The Trinity/SW games are usually back-to-back nights which is different at most other SCAC venues where games are Friday night and Sunday afternoon. Actually I'm glad the Austin/CC games followed the standard Friday/Sunday script. I'm not sure logistics would have allowed for a Friday/Saturday night arrangement. My point - there's a fair amount of geography covered in this league; more this year than in the past with the entry of Colorado College.
pbrooks, sorry that I did not make myself clear.

Let me try to ask the question again.   :)

Please rank the road trips in perceived order of difficulty.  I am trying to gauge the challenges that the SCAC teams face.

I believe that the three toughest conferences in the country for travel are the ASC, the SCAC and the UAA (alphabetical order) because the nature of the travel is different in all three.  Thanks to all responders.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 21, 2008, 12:28:00 PM
To be honest, Ralph, I think it depends.  Obviously it matters which school you are in this conference.  It's obviously more difficult for the outliers like DePauw, Centre, Colorado, Trinity, etc.  DePauw is 5 hours from its travel partner for example.  Every roadie is at least that long.  Colorado is a FLIGHT from it's travel partner.

Some teams choose to make some of these road trips a Friday/Saturday trip instead of a Friday/Sunday.  That's when it really gets tough.

DePauw makes the TU/SU trip on a Friday/Saturday in a couple of weeks.  DePauw has made a Sewanee/Oglethorpe trip on a Friday/Saturday before, If I recall.  You're driving through the backwoods of northern Georgia on some 2 lane road about 2 in the morning when you've got to be on the floor at 10:30.

While I wasn't strapping on a uniform, I can certainly tell you that I thought the LONG bus rides were more difficult than the flights.  I'm sure that Austin/Colorado is tough, particularly when you factor in the altitude, but some of the bus trips for DPU and Centre (Hendrix/Millsaps, Rhodes/BSU, and Sewanee/Oglethorpe) are just horrible.  Especially when you've got both the men's and women's teams packed into one bus with very little room.  The 9 hours to Hendrix on Thursday followed by the 6 hours to Millsaps early on Saturday (gotta get there in time to get a practice in!), following followed by knowing you've got another 9 hours home after the game on Sunday is just a killer.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2008, 01:38:06 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on January 21, 2008, 12:28:00 PM
To be honest, Ralph, I think it depends.  Obviously it matters which school you are in this conference.  It's obviously more difficult for the outliers like DePauw, Centre, Colorado, Trinity, etc.  DePauw is 5 hours from its travel partner for example.  Every roadie is at least that long.  Colorado is a FLIGHT from it's travel partner.

Some teams choose to make some of these road trips a Friday/Saturday trip instead of a Friday/Sunday.  That's when it really gets tough.

DePauw makes the TU/SU trip on a Friday/Saturday in a couple of weeks.  DePauw has made a Sewanee/Oglethorpe trip on a Friday/Saturday before, If I recall.  You're driving through the backwoods of northern Georgia on some 2 lane road about 2 in the morning when you've got to be on the floor at 10:30.

While I wasn't strapping on a uniform, I can certainly tell you that I thought the LONG bus rides were more difficult than the flights.  I'm sure that Austin/Colorado is tough, particularly when you factor in the altitude, but some of the bus trips for DPU and Centre (Hendrix/Millsaps, Rhodes/BSU, and Sewanee/Oglethorpe) are just horrible.  Especially when you've got both the men's and women's teams packed into one bus with very little room.  The 9 hours to Hendrix on Thursday followed by the 6 hours to Millsaps early on Saturday (gotta get there in time to get a practice in!), following followed by knowing you've got another 9 hours home after the game on Sunday is just a killer.
Wes, that was an excellent discussion.

I would like hearing you as a guest discussing "Travel in the SCAC" on Hoopsville.

Marcus is doing a good job as South Region reporter, but another voice nearly always helps.  I don't think that the country knows what travel is like in the SCAC and the ASC.  They can imagine the UAA just because they may have flown into those airports once.

+1  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach-JMS on January 21, 2008, 01:56:18 PM
First let me say that it was nice meeting Frank Ezelle yesterday before our game at Millsaps.  I think he does a wonderful job of covering Millsaps and is a good ambassador for Division III athletics.  He does a great job with media coverage and posts on these young student-athletes that sometimes are overlooked in the sporting world. 

Anyway, it is typically not my style to get on message boards and comment on teams, players, or anything of that nature.  However, I think a few things do have to be addressed when looking at the Sewanee vs Millsaps game on Sunday.

First, I would like to say that I feel like our kids at Sewanee deserve a lot more credit than Frank is giving them for their hard work and effort versus Millsaps yesterday.  At the same time, you have to give credit to Millsaps (in particular, Lorenzo Bailey) for making big-time plays and hitting huge shots down the stretch.  However, I do feel like some of the reason for Millsaps struggles can be directly attributed to how hard Sewanee played on the defensive end.  Our guys did a great job of trying to take away some of their strengths as a team and did a good job of contesting all of their shooters.  Millsaps did shoot the ball poorly, but I think some of it was as a result of forcing tough shots, so give our guys some credit.

Anyway, the main reason I am posting is because in all my years as a player or coach the 3 seconds call late in the game was by far THE WORST CALL I HAVE EVER SEEN in a game that I was a part of in some realm.  I know Frank said he had still photo shots and felt that it could have been the right call or whatever, but the film of the game shows otherwise.  After watching the play about 9-10 times, it is clear that it was AN ABSOLUTELUY PUTRID call.  Here is what really happened...Pursell misses a lay-up and gets his own rebound, after he secures the rebound there is a less than 2 second (when watching I timed it with a stop watch several times and came up with 1.9-1.95 range every time I timed it in real time which doesn't even account for human error) time span that goes by and the referee blows his whistle and calls 3 seconds.  Not too mention that Pursell is getting absolutely mauled in the process of the imaginary 3 seconds call.  Millsaps is flat out trying to foul because they are down 1 with about :12 seconds left and need to get the ball back.  Rogan actually has his arms wrapped around Pursell bear hugging him as two other players hack away at the ball.  It is quite a sight when rehashing it in the film room.  Once again I give all the credit in the world to Millsaps and Lorenzo Bailey for making the plays they had to make down the stretch to win the game.   At the same time, I feel like it is quite a travesty for an official to make that kind of a call to determine the outcome of a game.  It was a bad call, there isn't any room for discussion after watching it on film, sorry Frank.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 21, 2008, 02:59:17 PM
Coach, let me agree with you 100% that I did not give enough credit to the players from Sewanee.  I was posting last night while trying to get photos downloaded and keep up with the NFL game and I just didn't have time to cover the game in all details.  I should have given credit to the Sewanee players, and in particular the clutch shots they hit down the stretch when the game was getting very tight.  I'll also mention what you didn't, pointing out that Pursell was obviously not at 100% which limited both his minutes and his effectiveness when he was in the game. 

You've seen the film and you were closer to the play so I can't dispute your version of the play, nor do I have reason to think that it is grossly inaccurate.  You said it was 2 seconds, I said that from a viewer's perspective it might have been 3 real seconds which is rarely enough for a 3 second call.  You say they were trying to foul Pursell, and considering the situation, that would seem like the logical thing to do.  I will agree with you 100% that it was a surprising call to make in that situation.  It certainly surprised me.

The only thing I can point out is that the game was still undecided at that point no matter which call was made.  With 12 seconds on the clock and a 1-point lead, if Pursell gets fouled and hits one of two free throws, then the play by Lorenzo puts the game into overtime.  If Pursell hits two free throws then Millsaps needs a more difficult three pointer but they still had the chance to put the game into overtime.  I say this not with the intention of discounting the 3-second call, but merely to point out that Millsaps would still have had a somewhat decent chance to win or tie the game even if a foul had been called.

And I too enjoy our conversation at the game yesterday.  I'm just sorry that the game ended on such a sour note and I fully understand your post.  I wish the game had ended with Pursell hitting one of two free throws and then Lorenzo hitting a 3 pointer for the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 04:40:26 PM
What we need to do is get some more Sewanee supporters on the board so we don't have to ask a Millsaps poster to give the Sewanee side of the story ...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2008, 07:01:27 PM
Ralph, Wes is right on target.  The bus trips for the northern schools in the SCAC are frequently the exhausting & trying ones.  With the exception of the Texas schools and CC, most trips are by bus in this conference, and the distances among the 8 eastern schools are can make for some days.  In a later post when I have time, I will try to add to Wes' salient points.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 21, 2008, 08:19:38 PM
Wes, When did Depauw make a Friday/Saturday trip to Sewanee and OU?? For the 6 years I've been around the conference OU's travel partner was Millsaps for 4 of the years and Sewanee for the last 2 years..  Playin for OU, the only friday/saturday games that we played was against southwestern/trinity.. and the friday/saturday games we're both played at 8pm.. Was this years ago that Depauw would have made this trip?? I was just wondering if this was something that had occurred before I was knowledgeable about the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 21, 2008, 08:41:29 PM
New polls were just released ... Millsaps jumps five spots to #18, Centre moves up six spots to #14.  The Colonels must be for real with Millsaps posting one more win and sitting four spots behind them.  I guess Friday night at 8 p.m. will be the determining factor.  I'm ready.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 21, 2008, 08:43:59 PM
no, the travel pairing have changed this year.  congrats to millsaps and centre.  looks like a great year for the scac so far with 2 teams in the top 25!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 21, 2008, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: spfan22 on January 21, 2008, 08:19:38 PM
Wes, When did Depauw make a Friday/Saturday trip to Sewanee and OU?? For the 6 years I've been around the conference OU's travel partner was Millsaps for 4 of the years and Sewanee for the last 2 years..  Playin for OU, the only friday/saturday games that we played was against southwestern/trinity.. and the friday/saturday games we're both played at 8pm.. Was this years ago that Depauw would have made this trip?? I was just wondering if this was something that had occurred before I was knowledgeable about the SCAC.

No, you're right, my friend.  I actually just thought about that a while ago.  A good catch on your part.  Centre to Sewanee must be the trip I'm remembering, which isn't exactly all interstate, either.  Although, I can't seem to find the dates after a brief skim of the archives.  I do definitely remember an overnight bus ride to get to a Saturday game.  And I do remember driving on these back roads that I was fairly certain were going to lead to our ultimate demise.

Before the travel partner switch, Oglethorpe was a flight for us.  You are indeed correct.

EDIT: After a brief conversation with DPU Sports Information, I'm right.  DePauw played the final weekend of the year on a Fri/Sat in 2002 to avoid playing on Selection Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2008, 09:17:16 PM
Very informative!  Thanks to all!  :)

It really makes the case for RHIT and their departure to the HCAC.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2008, 09:37:22 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on January 21, 2008, 08:41:29 PM
New polls were just released ... Millsaps jumps five spots to #18, Centre moves up six spots to #14.  The Colonels must be for real with Millsaps posting one more win and sitting four spots behind them.  I guess Friday night at 8 p.m. will be the determining factor.  I'm ready.

Major_Fan, sounds like fighting words to me!  No seriously, Millsaps is undefeated in D3 play and one more victory than Centre.  They have a great team from all indications.  Centre was rewarded last week for their season so far by getting a ranking of 20; Millsaps got to #23 by virtue of an equally impressive weekend of wins (all 3 on the road).  Your beef should have been with the pollsters last week, not this week!  What happened this week was Centre took the same road trip as Millsaps did last week and came away with 2 wins (aside from the U of D game Millsaps played).  Millsaps, in turn, played an outstanding game in beating OU Friday night and then escaped with their lives Sunday afternoon against Sewanee on its homecourt.  I don't see much slighting by the poll this week in moving Centre up 6 places and Millsaps up 5 spots.  This week, Friday night and possibly Sunday, will indeed determine which of these SCAC teams deserves the higher ranking.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 09:55:20 PM
One more victory isn't going to make the difference in a Top 25 poll, unless it's head-to-head. :) Not sure why people are bringing it up like it's some holy grail.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2008, 09:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2008, 09:17:16 PM
Very informative!  Thanks to all!  :)

It really makes the case for RHIT and their departure to the HCAC.



To emphasize Wes' blog, here are some of the road distances from DePauw and Centre to the other schools in the SCAC Eastern Division plus Millsaps & Hendrix.  I've excluded the other schools where they fly rather than bus.

Trip                                   Mileage   Time
Greencastle IN to Danville KY   235   4.00
Sewanee TN to Danville KY   280   4.85
Birmingham AL to Danville KY   380   6.20
Atlanta GA to Danville KY   360   6.00
Memphis TN to Danville KY   400   6.50
Jackson MS to Danville KY   605   9.50
Conway AR to Danville KY   560   9.00
Sewanee TN to Greencastle    420   6.70
Birmingham AL to Greencastle   520   8.10
Atlanta GA to Greencastle IN   575   9.10
Memphis TN to Greencastle IN   435   6.70
Jackson MS to Greencastle IN   640   9.70
Conway AR to Greencastle IN   575   8.70

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2008, 11:01:03 PM
Those distances look like the ASC-West going to Miss College and to LaCollege and for the East making the HPU/SRSU trip!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 21, 2008, 11:41:42 PM
Wes, your definitely right about the centre trip being all backroads.. that was a rough trip one year.. we battled snow and icey backroads.. it took about 8.5 -9.0 hours from Atlanta to Danville.. followed by a 4-5 hour trip to greencastle.. haha.. not to mention.. on our 13 hour drive back to atlanta from greencastle (bad weather made the trip last a little longer) our bus broke down 10 minutes from the OU campus.. by far the worst trip ever.. but now that I'm not playing anymore.. I look back and I almost sort of miss the long bus trips.. for some reason it just kinds of enhances the experience.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2008, 12:00:37 AM
Quote from: spfan22 on January 21, 2008, 11:41:42 PM
Wes, your definitely right about the centre trip being all backroads.. that was a rough trip one year.. we battled snow and icey backroads.. it took about 8.5 -9.0 hours from Atlanta to Danville.. followed by a 4-5 hour trip to greencastle.. haha.. not to mention.. on our 13 hour drive back to atlanta from greencastle (bad weather made the trip last a little longer) our bus broke down 10 minutes from the OU campus.. by far the worst trip ever.. but now that I'm not playing anymore.. I look back and I almost sort of miss the long bus trips.. for some reason it just kinds of enhances the experience.

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Little Johnnie
:  Because it feels so good when I quit!

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 22, 2008, 09:13:24 AM
I was simply stating that I thought Millsaps and Centre would be side-by-side in the polls due to equally impressive starts.  Yes, the Majors escaped with a win on Sunday and Pat, when you're not ranked all that often it is like some holy grail.  The game Friday night should be exciting at Centre and again on Sunday at DePauw.  A VERY TOUGH two games for Millsaps that will prove if they are ligit or not.  Either way, I just hope we get two teams in the NCAAs again.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2008, 11:35:36 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2008, 10:56:54 PM
That's high percentage for any one to shoot against Trinity.  How many of the shots were made from the 3-point line?

6-20 on threes, so BSC shot an "wow" factor 16-22 on the 2pt shots.  FTs were even (8-10 for BSC, 7-12 for Trinity).   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 22, 2008, 11:40:50 AM
Major_Fan and Frank, do you have any Millsaps partisans who'll be reporting from Danville Friday night?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 22, 2008, 11:44:39 AM
As of right now, I do not.  They won't be doing live audio/stats either, so I would have to get someone to update me as well.  I sure wish we had network coverage (i.e. a CBS affiliate) or something in Division III to broadcast live with professional announcers.  Friday night's game would be a good place to start at #14/#18.  I know the other night had the #1/#2 teams playing and that would have been cool to see on tv as well.  Maybe one day in the future ... for now live audio/video from the individual school if they can afford it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2008, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2008, 11:35:36 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2008, 10:56:54 PM
That's high percentage for any one to shoot against Trinity.  How many of the shots were made from the 3-point line?
6-20 on threes, so BSC shot an "wow" factor 16-22 on the 2pt shots.  FTs were even (8-10 for BSC, 7-12 for Trinity).   
6 of 20 on 3FG's is good enough to extend the defense and open up the inside.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2008, 12:16:18 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on January 22, 2008, 11:44:39 AM
As of right now, I do not.  They won't be doing live audio/stats either, so I would have to get someone to update me as well.  I sure wish we had network coverage (i.e. a CBS affiliate) or something in Division III to broadcast live with professional announcers.  Friday night's game would be a good place to start at #14/#18.  I know the other night had the #1/#2 teams playing and that would have been cool to see on tv as well.  Maybe one day in the future ... for now live audio/video from the individual school if they can afford it.
major fan, I am of the opposite opinion about broadcasters.  Most broadcasters have a love of the level of sport that they are announcing, and "bigger" is usually "better" in their minds.

I maintain that the "D3sports" web sites have thrived because of the love that Pat Coleman and his group of sports journalists have for "D3" sports.

Let's build a network from the ground up by people whose vision is to build great D3 sports with the philosophy that we promote!  :)

I enjoy hearing the local broadcasters who have a feel for the local rivalries and "histories" of the game, and not some national "rent-a-broadcaster" who doesn't know the difference between the University of the South and OU. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2008, 01:42:54 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on January 22, 2008, 11:44:39 AM
As of right now, I do not.  They won't be doing live audio/stats either, so I would have to get someone to update me as well.  I sure wish we had network coverage (i.e. a CBS affiliate) or something in Division III to broadcast live with professional announcers.  Friday night's game would be a good place to start at #14/#18.  I know the other night had the #1/#2 teams playing and that would have been cool to see on tv as well.  Maybe one day in the future ... for now live audio/video from the individual school if they can afford it.

Wes -- how far are you from Danville? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 22, 2008, 02:01:59 PM
Mapquest says 3.5 hours, but I can name that tune in less than 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on January 22, 2008, 02:01:59 PM
Mapquest says 3.5 hours, but I can name that tune in less than 3.

Don't you have to worry about a bunch of small-town police, tho?   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 22, 2008, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
Don't you have to worry about a bunch of small-town police, tho?   ;)

No, it's OK.  All 3 of them will be busy.  They're the officials for the game.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 22, 2008, 06:15:09 PM
Wes, haha..  thats some funny stuff.. I remember making that claim a few times about the officials working for the city   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 22, 2008, 08:25:24 PM
Wes, if you're bored with DePauw versus Hendrix Friday night, head on down to Centre & keep us posted on the roundball scene and particularly the 3 officials.  I would be there but I'm putting my bankroll into the Trinity/Southwestern trip the following weekend when Centre hits the road again.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2008, 11:23:20 AM
D3hoops.com will broadcast Friday night's men's game featuring No. 18 Millsaps at No. 14 Centre. Wes Anderson will be on the call for D3hoopsNet starting shortly before tipoff, scheduled for 8 p.m. EST.

We'll have a link for the audio set up later today. Thanks to you folks on the board for bringing the lack of a broadcast to my attention and thanks to Wes, obviously, for volunteering to make the drive.

D3sports.com does not reimburse for moving violations. (Not even mine -- freakin' $170 for rolling through a stop sign in Raleigh, N.C., on football's Selection Sunday at ESPNU.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2008, 01:41:15 PM
Wes and Pat, we fans of the Colonels, Majors and the SCAC very much appreciate what you're doing to bring some exciting hoops to us. Many thanks; hope to plug in while at the Rhodes game Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 23, 2008, 03:09:01 PM
Thanks Pat and Wes and anyone else who had a hand in making this happen.  Fortunately for me, I don't even have to rearrange my Friday night plans since I never seem to have any plans other than go to a Millsaps sporting event. :)

Also, a thumbs up to the new color scheme on the message board.  It looks good.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 24, 2008, 10:46:42 AM
does anyone know when the last time the SCAC actually had 2 top 25 ranked teams?  This is great, it's a shame that they will be playing each other this weekend, and one will have to lose.  I'm hoping voters take this into consideration and don't knock Millsaps or Centre out of the 25 after this weekend.

Although I'd like to go with Millsaps, I'm going to predict a home-team Centre win.  They're a really tough, scrappy group that is led by some good upperclassmen.  This game could be different if Rogan is completely healthy, he's definitely the X-factor in this one.  Any word on how he's doing frank?  For the game's sake, I hope he's 100%.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 24, 2008, 11:07:27 AM
Dave,
When Centre and Millsaps both hit the Top 25 last week it was the first time since Week 7 of the 2001-02 season when DePauw was 13th and Millsaps was 25th that the SCAC has had two teams ranked in the D3hoops.com Top 25 at the same time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2008, 11:28:02 AM
I don't think that just one loss this weekend to a ranked team would knock either of those teams out of the Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 24, 2008, 11:34:57 AM
In the games prior to the injury, Rodney had scored 25, 23 and 21 points against Belhaven, Loyola, and Southwestern respectively.  Against Trinity he scored 15 points in the first half and was injured a couple of minutes into the second half.

The next weekend he started but only played 9 minutes against Colorado, then he sat out the Austin and U. of Dallas games.  This last weekend he came off the bench against OU and had 12 points, then started against Sewanee and had 11 points.  If you hadn't seen him play earlier this year, then you might think he looked okay against OU and Sewanee.  I personally thought he was at 70-80% of pre-injury form this past weekend.  I'm sure another week will get him closer to 100%, but I think that 100% might still be a couple of weekends away.  

Keep in mind that I'm just going by stats and my observation from this last weekend.  I have not talked to Rodney or anyone associated with the team about his condition coming into this big weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 24, 2008, 03:29:33 PM
For your viewing pleasure... a link to the Millsaps vs Centre/DePauw matchups:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/012508elease.shtml

I know I'll be listening Friday and glancing at live stats on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 24, 2008, 03:46:04 PM
Ya know, Major_Fan, I hear DePauw has a radio broadcast for their games too  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 24, 2008, 03:51:40 PM
Thanks for the head's up.  I added the live audio link as well. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 24, 2008, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2008, 11:28:02 AM
I don't think that just one loss this weekend to a ranked team would knock either of those teams out of the Top 25.

Adding to what Pat said, for those of you following the Top 25, last week the top 2 teams met (#1 Rochester, #2 Brandeis).  Rochester won the game, and each team retained their same ranking at #1 & #2 this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 24, 2008, 06:37:27 PM
While this might not be the game of the year - does any one have a thought on whether Rhodes is ready to get 2 wins this weekend?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on January 24, 2008, 07:22:17 PM
Can anyone tell me if Sewanee broadcasts or live stats their games?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 24, 2008, 07:27:41 PM
Quote from: JJFlash on January 24, 2008, 07:22:17 PM
Can anyone tell me if Sewanee broadcasts or live stats their games?

To the best of my knowledge, they do not do either. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 24, 2008, 07:56:25 PM
The link to the Millsaps-Centre story on the Millsaps website is posted above.  Here's the link to the story on the Centre website:

http://www.centre.edu/web/news/2008/basketball.html

I see that Centre goes on Winter break after exams on Thursday--I'm sure there will still be a big crowd on hand for the game but that might make it a few less students in the stands for Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 24, 2008, 08:57:21 PM
Agree with Wes on Sewanee not providing live stats or broadcasts.

Centre is coming off their short winter term.  Fortunately, of the student body there are a pretty fair share of Kentucky kids from the Louisville and Lexington areas who can still get to the game fairly easily.  The Colonels would love to have everyone of them in the stands along with lots of Danville residents to provide the right welcoming committee for Millsaps.  I recall getting a similar reception last year when attending the 2nd round NCAA tournament game at Wooster when they hosted Centre.  The gym at Wooster is large for D3 - something like 3,400 capacity.  What was so incredible was the number of townies who attended the game who weren't real pleased when Centre fans got to the game early and took what apparently were season ticket seats away from the regulars.  Centre won't have that situation tomorrow night, but hopefully there will be a loud house of fans following the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 25, 2008, 08:51:02 AM
Any predictions on the Millsaps-Centre game?  I'm not sure if the far west road trip is a good measuring stick but it does present a recent comparison of common opponents.  Both teams went 2-0 and both teams struggled just a bit. 

Centre led Austin 22-21 at the half before winning 68-62, and then they trailed Colorado 27-30 at the half before going on to a 70-55 victory.  On the previous weekend, Millsaps led Colorado 50-35 at the half but that lead got down to 4 or 5 late in the game before Millsaps won 94-83.  At Austin, Millsaps had an easier time, leading 35-27 at the half and winning 85-54.  Rodney Rogan was basically out of the lineup for these games and I don't know if Centre had any injury/health problems.

Maybe the key to the game will be if Millsaps can continue to take care of the ball as well as they've been doing all year.  When DePauw played at Centre, DePauw had 10 assists compared to 24 turnovers.  Millsaps is the leader in the SCAC when it comes to most of the assist and turnover stats.  They are first in assists, turnover margin, steals, and the assists to turnover percentage.  The turnover margin of 8.5+ goes a long way towards covering the weakness of being outrebounded by almost 4 per game.

It should be a great game, especially if Millsaps plays loose and relaxed like they did on Friday against OU.  That's harder to do when you are on the road but Millsaps does have a lot of seniors who have been in tough road situations before.

Once again, thanks to D3Hoops for making this game available to the fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 09:24:25 AM
Frank, my hope is the game lives up to its billing and that D3Hoops comes away from Sutcliff Friday night glad they Were there providing the audio. Of course, I am pulling for Centre. I'm realistic about things - Colonels are strong on the homecourt and have 2 tremendous senior lead guards in Nestheide and Britt; the Majors counter with super talent, athleticism and experience. Good mix of inside presence (Montgomery) and perimeter play. Both teams should be ready for good games, each having come off less than stellar play last Sunday. On paper and based slightly on strength of schedule, prognosticators probably would lean towards Millsaps on this one. Hopefully there will be a few X factors working in Centre's favor to help them pull this one out by 3 at the end. What each team should want to do this weekend is come away Sunday no worse than 1-1; both squads could be set up for Sunday upsets.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 11:30:19 AM
Keys to a Colonel victory tonight:
(1) Excellent defense-hold the Majors below 40% would be a good start
(2) Adequate rebounding - Herman, Noll and Gowers need to neutralize a Millsaps' strength
(3) Reduce turnovers-Majors usually convert these into assists and points
(4) Good perimeter shooting - 5 from 25 on 3-pointers won't get it done
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 25, 2008, 11:30:40 AM
based solely on having seen Millsaps and Centre each play against Austin College this year, i'll have to give the edge to the Majors based on sheer athleticism.  i would expect a very close game, with Millsaps pulling away slightly at the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 12:24:54 PM
Good post; I hope to count on determination and effort to outweigh athleticism tonight on the Colonel front to get to the victory line.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 25, 2008, 02:09:13 PM
Getting ready to hit the road, but I thought I'd drop by and make a pick. 

I like Centre.  When it comes to two teams who are in the same neighborhood on talent like Centre and Millsaps are, that building plays a part.  It's loud.  Something weird is almost assuredly going to happen.  It's definitely a factor.  It makes Centre a much better basketball team.   

Crossing my fingers for a good one this evening either way.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 03:20:11 PM
Hey Wes, really glad you're doing this. If you get a breath between calls tonight, tell your listening audience the score of the preceding game between the womens' teams. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 25, 2008, 03:21:15 PM
Maybe the X-factor in this game is that John Patterson is no longer clogging up the middle for Centre.  That's not to take anything away from the current Centre big men, but at the SCAC Tournament it was Patterson in the middle that proved the most difficult match up since he and Montgomery are totally different players.

I looked at the stats from last year.  When Millsaps won at home over Centre 79-67, Patterson was 4-4 from the field and had 5 rebounds, but he fouled out in 18 minutes of play and he had no blocks.  When Centre beat Millsaps 75-59 at the SCAC Tournament, Patterson had 12 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 blocks in 24 minutes of play.  There's no question that he was a difference maker in that game with his size.

Last year Montgomery and Rogan were usually good for 30-40 points a game, usually in a fairly balanced output.  While the Millsaps outside shooting has been a big part of their offense this season, I think Millsaps needs about 30 points total from Montgomery and Rogan in order to win the game (unless they want to have one of those 16 of 26 3-point shooting nights).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 25, 2008, 04:16:05 PM
Jan. 25 
   8:00 PM  Millsaps   Centre     
   8:00 PM  Hendrix   DePauw     
   8:00 PM  Austin   Rhodes     
   8:00 PM  Colorado Col.   Birmingham Southern     
   8:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)   Oglethorpe     
   9:00 PM  Southwestern (Tex.)   Sewanee     
Jan. 26 
   6:00 PM  Austin   Birmingham Southern     
   8:00 PM  Southwestern (Tex.)   Oglethorpe     
   8:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)   Sewanee     
Jan. 27 
   2:00 PM  Colorado Col.   Rhodes     
   3:00 PM  Hendrix   Centre     
   3:00 PM  Millsaps   DePauw 

I went to the SCAC website and was shocked to see that there are some other games this weekend besides Millsaps-Centre.  Who knew?

The other game that jumps out at me tonight is Trinity at Oglethorpe.  Don't be fooled by the difference in the point spreads between the Millsaps wins over Trinity and OU, using that to think that Trinity is the favorite in this game.  Millsaps matched up much better against OU's press than they did against Trinity's size.  I would list OU as the favorite in this game, thinking that the score may be a little higher scoring that a typical Trinity game.  I'll go with OU 74, Trinty 68.

In my other picks:
--I think DePauw will get a double-digit win over Hendrix.
--I'll pick Rhodes over Austin in a close game that goes to the home team.
--Colorado has played some good games lately but I don't think they get their first win of the season at BSC--I think this will be a double-digit win for BSC. 
--And while Sewanee gave an excellent effort Sunday, I doubt that Pursell will be 100% so I'll go with Southwestern, also by double-digits.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 05:25:38 PM
Those other games and your favorites look about right to me. I'm not anxious for the Centre re-match with OU at their place. Oglethorpe could be a very interesting bunch by tournament time.

You're right about Patterson. He was just coming into his own as a basketball player when he graduated last year. The Colonels have no presence in the post quite like John. That being said; Ross Herman is improving game by game, and he can play physical. It's too bad Centre lost Ross' backup (Alex Lloyd) for the season several weeks ago to a shoulder injury. Alex is 6'7" or so and a promising freshman athlete. He'd would have matched up decently with Edrick Montgomery. Another frosh, Chris Gowers (6'4") has been doing a nice job filling in at several positions including the'5'.

Tune-in time is about 150 minutes away.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2008, 08:10:36 PM
Y'all probably know, but the game is on the air, and tipoff is now.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 08:41:07 PM
Heard one score on the game, but haven't been able to pick up game at Rhodes in their gym - Millsaps leading 31-17 in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2008, 08:47:42 PM
Centre scored 15 of 17 to end the half down 33-32.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 08:49:15 PM
Thank you Pat. Sounds like an epic game maybe shaping into form.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 25, 2008, 08:57:56 PM
Having trouble hearing the interview at halftime but the game came in okay.  Montgomery and Rogan have about 20 combined at the half.  Doesn't sound like Millsaps is taking many 3 pointers, at least not like the number they have taken in many of the earlier games this season. 

Also doesn't sound like anyone is in foul trouble either way.  I think Varnado has two for Millsaps--I didn't hear of any starters for Millsaps with two but I had to reconnect several times so I missed some of the game (that's probably my DSL Lite connection). 

Interesting that Millsaps started out in a 2-3 zone and it sounds like they played it quite a bit.  I haven't seen many zones in the home games and I wonder if Coach Wise is saving the man-to-man for a halftime adjustment. 

I hate to say again that Millsaps has a habit of giving away big leads--it sure would have been nice to start the second half with a double-digit cushion.  By the way, the Millsaps ladies won the opener 61-56.  I haven't seen a box score.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 08:59:11 PM
Since I am at Rhodes and couldn't pick up the game in their gym on my laptop, I've resorted to texting my daughter for updates and occasional phonings to her to hold the cell to the audio over the internet. Didn't know I could be this crazy! Nonetheless I did hear some of the halftime chatter. Keep up the good work guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2008, 08:59:26 PM
Yep, we worked on it in the pregame and it didn't get any better but we didn't have any backup for it so we're going to live with it.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2008, 09:06:09 PM
I am getting a good signal.

Does anyone want me to post frequent updates?

Centre 39-37, 16:30 left.

Centre 41-37; 16:00
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2008, 09:15:06 PM
Millsaps has a 10-0 run to go ahead, 50-46.  Montgomery 19, Rogan 12 points for Millsaps.

11:45 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2008, 09:16:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2008, 09:06:09 PM
I am getting a good signal.

Yes, thankfully the in-game stuff is just fine. It was the halftime interview that was off. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2008, 09:25:18 PM
Millsaps 58-55; 6:57.  Montgomery has 25 points for Millsaps.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 09:31:03 PM
Any scores from other games?

Austin 22 Rhodes 19 with 8:30 to go. Sloppy and physical play throughout
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2008, 09:33:55 PM
Millsaps 67-59; 2:30 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 09:39:45 PM
Keep us posted; last I heard it was a 7-pt game Millsaps
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2008, 09:42:32 PM
Millsaps leads by 4 with 30 secs left, 71-67.

Millsaps ball. Bailey at the line shooting 1&1. 30.5 sec left.

Millsaps 73-67.

Centre gets 5 quick points.  Millsaps 73-72.  13.9 secs.
FT both good. Millsaps 75-72.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2008, 09:47:23 PM
Tied at 75, 0:00.3 secs left.

Britt hit a 3FG from 26 feet, with 3 Millsaps hands in the face.

OT!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2008, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 09:24:25 AM
Frank, my hope is the game lives up to its billing and that D3Hoops comes away from Sutcliff Friday night glad they Were there providing the audio.

I think we're satisfied, yes. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 09:52:21 PM
Poor Wes; hope his voice holds out. One overtime would be enough for us.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2008, 09:53:43 PM
Britt has hit 2 FG's in OT.  He has 29 for the night, 26 in the second half.

Center 81-75. 2:54 left.

Montgomery hits 1 for 2. Centre 81-76. 2:30 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2008, 09:57:56 PM
Centre by 8, 1:40 left.  Millsaps with the ball, after a 3-second lane violation.

Rogan hits a layup and is fouled.  Rogan misses it.   Centre by 6. 1:15 left, 84-78.

CC -- Britt hits 2 of 2, 31 points on the night.  CC 86-78.

86-80.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 25, 2008, 09:59:26 PM
Wes is starting to sound like Johnny Most, the old Celtics broadcaster, with the way his voice is wavering. I'm sorry I missed most of this game - particularly the call of the tying shot. Knowing Wes like I do, I'm sure it was epic.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 10:00:26 PM
86-80 Centre - keep it going Wes!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 25, 2008, 10:02:58 PM
In a year with the "Miracle in Mississippi" in football, is there any surprise that Centre would hit a 3-pointer in the last half second to tie the game and then win in overtime?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 25, 2008, 10:07:06 PM
90-80 Centre, final.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 10:09:09 PM
Frank, you've been on target about your Majors all season. They do tend to yo-yo back and forth. Centre had the good fortune tonight of having one of their seniors (Britt) hot as a firecracker the 2nd half. Good thing because the Colonels didn't have an answer for Montgomery.  Wes, you did the entire SCAC proud tonight. I think it was an epic game. Understand #1 Rochester went down to defeat tonight, is that right.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2008, 10:11:05 PM
Yes, both Rochester at Emory and Brandeis at home to Chicago!

That tears up the Top 25!  :D

Altho' Centre and Millsaps stay on my ballot!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 10:15:38 PM
Any other finals from the SCAC, like DePauw-Hendrix?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 10:18:28 PM
2nd half score at Mallory Gym with 10:17 to go:
Austin 50
Rhodes 49
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 25, 2008, 10:24:05 PM
DePauw knocks off Hendrix handily, 81-53, as Mike Moore goes for 28 on 10-of-12 shooting with five 3s ... they also outscored the Warriors 46-21 in the second half.

On the Millsaps game, it was all it was cracked up to be.  I've got to give it to Britt, he was the man coming in to ruin the Majors.  A tough 3-ball with 0.3 left to send it to overtime along with 27 points in the second half alone.  Hats off to Montgomery as well tying a career-high with 34 points.  I just hope there's no let down in Greencastle on Sunday as the Majors have another tough road game.  What a great ballgame, and I enjoyed the broadcast.  I hope to see a Millsaps/Centre rematch in the SCAC Tournament Championship game in Conway!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 25, 2008, 10:25:33 PM
DPU 81, Hendrix 53 from Greencastle tonight. Mike Moore with 28, Schott a 13-10 double-double. Andrew King held to 14 points and just 4 rebounds. Credit DPU's defense with frustrating King all night.

I have to say I wasn't terribly impressed by King in my first look at him. Thought he got away with a few traveling violations when he tried to back down players, and when Oilar and Schott got physical with him, he got frustrated. But hey, everyone's entitled to an off-night here and there, so I'll withhold further judgment on him until I see how he fares on Sunday against Centre and in future SCAC clashes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 10:29:46 PM
I think it's great for the conference that these 2 teams gave the D3Hoops guys such an exciting game to broadcast. The SCAC has some fantastic student athletes and competitive, thrilling hoops for the fans of the schools to watch!  Centre and Millsaps, you were great tonight.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 10:31:45 PM
Rhodes is down 60-55 with 3:47 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2008, 10:54:14 PM
Rhodes goes down quietly at the end 70-61. The struggling tale continues. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 25, 2008, 11:07:44 PM
Wish I could have heard the Centre Millsaps game... sounded like a hell of a game.  Oglethorpe came away with a big win tonight against a very balanced Trinity game.  BJ Moon opened up the game on fire hitting his first 3 3-pointers but cooled off late in the game as he wouldn't hit another one.  Oglethorpe continues to be led by their freshmen, this time it was Joe Kennedy who stepped up big scoring a game high 19 points 5 rebounds and 4 assists (7 of 7 from the field) and Todd Ward's 13 points 6 rebounds and 2 steals in his first start of the year.  One thing to note, Oglethorpe was without starting forward Sr. Nick Watterson today as he has been ill all week.  I know it's not really a big point but his Sr. leadership out there on the court is big and I know the guys missed it tonight-  great to pull out a win like this to improve to 10-6  (5-2) conf.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 12:53:15 AM
FlightofthePetrel, your squad is looking impressive.  Good win against Trinity.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 26, 2008, 01:42:08 AM
Thank you Brooks, but all the credit should go out to the players- they've really stepped it up since being embarassed by your squad.

Congrats on the improbable comeback win tonight.  Centre is FOR REAL!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 26, 2008, 01:56:55 AM
Thanks for all the kind words, folks.  What a great ballgame.  Fantastic from halftime on.

First ballgame I've done in nearly two years.  Needless to say, I was a little rusty.  Also, I've lost a lot of voice strength since the olden days.  As bad as I sounded in OT, that's what you heard starting about 3 minutes in.  My voice left shortly after tip off. 

It's just so loud in there all the time.  Something about the way that building is designed.  Haven't seen the attendance numbers, but I wouldn't guess many more than 600 or so were in the stands this evening.  Even so, when the crowd got into it, it sounded like more than a couple thousand.

As far as my thoughts on the game go, that performance by Thomas Britt is one of the more remarkable I can recall.  He had 3 only at the half, and winds up with 31 (including the one that tied the game, and the dagger in OT).  Fantastic.  And a great night from Edrick Montgomery, as well.  I haven't seen him since he picked up that nice 12-18 foot jumper.  Centre couldn't stop for the first 38 minutes. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 09:05:40 AM
Wes, I have enjoyed the rewind of your call of Thomas Britt's 3-pointer to send the game to OT. My wife and I listened to the last 3 minutes plus overtime through her cell phone tied to my daughter's PC on the other end of the line while watching the Rhodes-Austin game. How's that for following SCAC hoops?  Thank you again for doing the call.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 10:00:10 AM
The Rhodes Men lost a good opportunity to get a much-needed win last night. Two things struck me about the game - one, it was a slugfest from the opening tip to the final buzzer. The 3 officials allowed a ton of mugging to take place. While there was a fair amount physicality on both ends from each team, Rhodes got the least benefit from the few whistles the officials blew throughout. The other thing that shot the Lynx down were about 7 or 8 bad passes and ill-advised shots taken that led or contributed to baskets on the other end. They frankly should have won this ballgame. Perhaps they can reflect on this performance and realize they've got the "right stuff" to get some wins. CC provides them another great opportunity Sunday to chalk up a victory. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 02:36:17 PM
Haven't analyzed things much, but here's my take on the remainder of the weekend.

Today (Saturday)

Trinity wins at Sewanee by 7;
Oglethrope prevails by 9 at home against Southwestern

Tomorrow (Sunday)

Rhodes gets a win by 5 over Colorado College;
Birmingham Southern wins by 12 over Austin;
Millsaps in a 1-pt lean at DePauw
Centre wins at home over Hendrix by 9
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 26, 2008, 04:41:28 PM
Should be a dandy in Greencastle tomorrow as Millsaps comes in to play the Tigers, who played about as well as they have all season in Friday night's win.

We'll learn a lot about Millsaps' character in this one, I figure. Will they enter the Neal Fieldhouse licking their wounds and looking to take out their frustrations from the Centre game on the Tigers, or will they be reeling from the devastating nature of that loss and come out flat? As talented as these Majors are, I'd expect the former, but I've seen the latter happen to good teams before, too.

Obviously the key matchup will be in the post. Looks like something lit a fire under Montgomery on Friday night. I've believed since last year that when properly motivated, he's the most unstoppable player in the conference. DPU's bigs had a tall task on Friday night but were able to contain Andrew King. Montgomery's a different animal, but if the Tigers get the same defensive effort from Steve Schott and Brian Oilar that they got on Friday night, I think they can frustrate Edrick a little bit.

Both of these teams have good athletes across the board. They want to run, they want to penetrate, and they want to shoot the three. These are the two best three point shooting teams in the conference. I'd say this game's got a chance to be awfully high-scoring.

My pick? It's so hard to win on the road on Sunday in the SCAC, particularly when you've been busing the trip like Millsaps (presumably) did this week. I think DPU can pull the mild upset considering how well Mike Moore has been playing of late. He followed up a career high 32 on Sunday with 28 more against Austin on 10-of-12 shooting. I honestly believe there's nobody in the conference who can stay with him one-on-one. Unless Songy, Odum, or Bailey is up to the task, I expect Mike to have another big game.

I think the most telling number will be in the three-point category, and I'll predict that whichever team makes the most will walk out of the Neal Fieldhouse with a huge SCAC win.

Of course I'd be remiss if I didn't remind you folks that WGRE in Greencastle will carry this game over the internet at WGRE.org. It's a 3 PM EST tip.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 04:49:40 PM
DPULefty22, hope to tune in.  I agree this should be a good one. I might change my mind on this one over the next 12 hours; who knows!!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 26, 2008, 06:14:53 PM
DPULefty22, that's a pretty good preview of the Millsaps-DePauw game.  I agree that Edrick Montgomery, when he is on, is the most unstoppable player in the SCAC.  After taking photos of him for the last 3 seasons, I'm still amazed at how often he is shooting and his defender is still on the ground.  It's the quickness of getting his shot off that makes him so hard to guard--unfortunately, his shot has been off for most of the year, the exact opposite of what was on display last night.  I like Edrick and I hope for his sake and for the sake of the team, that last night marked the end of his slump.

I would say that DePauw is the favorite in tomorrow's game.  Millsaps is coming off an emotional loss, they are on a long bus trip, they will be playing in a gym they only see once a year, and even with it being a Sunday game, there should be a decent crowd of fans on hand to cheer for DePauw.  I think Millsaps is capable of pulling off the upset of winning an SCAC road game against a top notch team, and I agree with you that it probably comes down to the 3-point shooting.  I don't know if Millsaps was getting open looks last night on their 3's, but they didn't hit a very high percentage and that allowed Centre to stay close enough for the big shot at the end of regulation.

I look forward to the broadcast tomorrow of both games.  The DePauw broadcast teams always do a good job.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 09:03:19 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 26, 2008, 06:14:53 PM
I would say that DePauw is the favorite in tomorrow's game.  Millsaps is coming off an emotional loss, they are on a long bus trip, they will be playing in a gym they only see once a year, and even with it being a Sunday game, there should be a decent crowd of fans on hand to cheer for DePauw.  I think Millsaps is capable of pulling off the upset of winning an SCAC road game against a top notch team, and I agree with you that it probably comes down to the 3-point shooting.  I don't know if Millsaps was getting open looks last night on their 3's, but they didn't hit a very high percentage and that allowed Centre to stay close enough for the big shot at the end of regulation.

I don't disagree with either of you on the assessment of this game.  Frank, I know that loss Friday night had to be hard on the team, let alone the Millsaps faithful.  Last night, Millsaps should have won the game based on the first 39 1/2 minutes.  I remarked to my wife at the 30 second mark that Millsaps was going to win the game.  Coach Mason pronounced your squad as one great basketball team.     

When Centre came to Jackson last year, they were pretty confident they could beat the Majors.  We all remember the outcome of that game; it wasn't a happy result for the Colonels.  Centre did manage to build off that loss and make a pretty tremendous run through the tournament and the 2nd round of D3, losing to a final four team (Wooster) on their home court.

I realize you know this team well from the contents of your blogs.  However, don't sell your team short.  Remember, two of the past three Sunday afternoons, DPU has come out on the short end of things.  This has occurred following a pretty strong effort on the previous Friday.  DPULefty22 reports on the prowess of Mike Moore the past 2 games.  I'll bet you that the Majors slow down Moore tomorrow.  3-point shots may reign supreme Sunday; I don't know.  I think it'll be interesting to see how things flow down in the paint between Edrick and the Schott/Oilar combo.

On three-point shooting, the Majors didn't have to fire up 3's against Centre (until the OT) because the middle was obviously open. 

I think the character of the Millsaps squad will resonate tomorrow through a solid performance, win or lose.  21 year old kids are pretty resilient when compared to a 50-something like me.  Still think Coach Wise has a special team.



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 09:43:02 PM
Pretty good game going on at Monteagle Mt tonight (30-27 at the half with Trinity on top).  Stats are available at:

http://www.sewanee.edu/athletics/xlive.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 10:45:43 PM
TU wins on the mountain 70-62

Charles Houston get 16 plus 13 boards for TU
Ben Pursell has 16 pts for UOS

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 26, 2008, 10:49:04 PM
Trinity beat Sewanee 70-62.  I feel fairly certain that Pursell is still ailing judging by the numbers and what I saw last week.  Sewanee sure has a tough time with injuried players with that seeming to be a real problem for them over the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2008, 10:58:14 PM
Just FYI -- Centre's coach will be a guest on Hoopsville tomorrow night.
http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 11:52:49 PM
Frank, I like the kid from Sewanee, Ben Pursell, too.  I saw him one time in high school in Nashville and he was fine player then.  If he does get healthy, Sewanee may pull an upset or two before the tournament.  Centre hasn't had a great history in the UOS gym, and they've not made the journey to the mountain yet this season. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 11:54:10 PM
HendrixFan, what do you see in the game tomorrow at Centre?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 27, 2008, 05:51:13 AM
SPFAN... you and I know eachother and to be honest with you I think this years OU team would definately be beaten by the Trinity team of 03-04.  This does not take away from what this team is doing though.  To think that this team would be 11-6  (6-2) after losing 6 seniors would be unthinkable, but they are there.  I believe that the SCAC has gone down a level since those years.  Todd Ward, who transfered here just this past semester, is a special player.  Being just a freshman do I think he's better than Russ Churchwell?

I would quick to judge that he COULD be as good as Russ.  I will also be quick to point out that I was only here for Russ's second senior year (his last year) and know that you might have a little bit more of a grasp of the situation considering you played with Russ for a few years and might have seen him play beforehand.  Russ, like many of the SCAC elite, could have easily played D2 or D1 but chose his former school for the education and the ability to participate in athletics (Russ is currently in Med School).  I know that Todd was recruited by Rochester (most recent D3 poll #1) but chose a school in CT. which in turn didn't work out and led to his transfer to OU (his g/f is on the womens team). 

Ward is incredibly athletic and gifted but hasn't played ball in the past 2 years and it has obviously taken a while for him to get his legs back but he has definitely been a pleasure to watch in the meantime.  From what I can see from his first few games leads me to say it's like comparing apples to oranges.  Both players have a specific style in which they like to play.  While I  will agree they are also fairly similiar in many ways it's hard to compare how they stack up against eachother this soon in their careers.  Ward seems to be a do it all kind of guy who can score, rebound, steal, assist and block his way into the score book.  While his stats, so far, might not stack up exactly like Russ at the beginning of his carrer I do believe he could be an ipmact player like Russ.  After reasearching the stastics that Churchwell put up early in his career it is easy to see that he was a dominant player on the scoring and rebounding end, a player that teams had to plan for.   Russ averaged just about 18 and 8 for his career... do I think that Ward is going to put up those numbers?  NO, but he could if he was forced to be the main option on the team.  This team is much more balanced than teams past due to the fact that there is no GO TO scorer.

I would not take offense to people comparing Ward to Churchwell b/c I don't think they are doing so saying he's a better player than Russ... but just the best thing that has come along SINCE Russ... it's like all the Michael Jordaon/ Kobe Bryant/ Lebron James comparissons.  Each of these players is special in their own way- you can't compare them!

Congrats to OU on the sweep of the big Texas School's!  You've already beaten 4 teams that you were predicted to finish behind this year!  Keep up the good work!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 27, 2008, 08:42:39 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2008, 11:54:10 PM
HendrixFan, what do you see in the game tomorrow at Centre?


Unfortunately, we won't see or hear anything in the game since Centre doesn't do live stats!   ???

Seriously, the Warriors seem to be struggling a little right now.  A good first half in DePauw was followed by a pretty bad second 20 minutes. 
After the disheartening loss last Sunday against OU, where the Warriors led by 6 with a minute to go, this trip to IN & KY was really bad timing.
I see Centre winning the game comfortably, and maybe Hendrix will come back home and get back on track w/ BS, Rhodes, AC, & Colorado at home the next two weekends.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2008, 10:17:57 AM
Am I wrong or is Churchwell getting more press on the D3 message board than any of the current players in the league? :)

I'll weigh in on the Ward-Churchwell debate in a more general way since I've only seen Ward one time and I only saw Churchwell a few times.  I suspect that if a group of people watched the two warming up, most would pick Ward as the better player.  If a group of people watch the two play a game, you might get just the opposite viewpoint.  I remember Churchwell as being a very effecient player, one who really did nothing to "WOW" people, just a guy who was going to go out each night and have a good chance of being the leading scorer and rebounder on the court.

When it comes to sports, potential seems to get more buzz than performance.  Hence, the NBA drolls over high school kids who are dominating 16-18 year olds instead of college seniors who are solid players and solid citizens.  As an athlete, Ward seems to be impressive.  He had 6 pts, 5 rbs, and 4 turnovers in 22 minutes against Millsaps--not impressive, but that was just one game.  He has had far better games before and since and I'm not surprised that he is now in the starting lineup.  I won't be surprised if he becomes a very good SCAC player, but I think Churchwell still leads him by over 1,700 points and around 800 rebounds.  It might be good if we wait until Ward hits the halfway mark on Churchwell's stats before people start crowning him the new best player in OU history.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 27, 2008, 11:06:24 AM
Funny that Todd Ward comes up in discussion because I remember thinking he was the best player on the floor for OU when they came up to Greencastle and topped DPU in the first weekend of this month. Hard to believe he's a better player than Churchwell (never saw him play but the numbers speak for themselves), but a better athlete? I'd buy that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 27, 2008, 11:26:00 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2008, 10:17:57 AM
Am I wrong or is Churchwell getting more press on the D3 message board than any of the current players in the league? :)

I'm not surprised that he is now in the starting lineup. 


It does seem that Churchwell is not only getting more attention than any of the current players but also more attention on the boards that when he played.  Andrew Kind and Ward seem to be his only competition on the boards.

While I agree Ward might deserve to start the only reason he did this weekend was due to senior starter Nick Watterson's absense (sick... hasn't made it out of the house all week).  Ponder has a pretty good thing bringing him and Richey off the bench about 4 minutes into the game.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2008, 11:27:53 AM
Well, where were you guys when he played? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 27, 2008, 12:26:36 PM
let me again say that I don't want to take anything away from Todd Ward, I've seen him play and I think he can be a great talent.. I was just frustrated when I heard some of the things being said.. I'll agree that he's an athletic freak.. but I just see no reason to buy that he is a better player than Russ Churchwell..

Anyways.. back to what really matters.. Good games today.. sure the millsaps-depauw game will be a good one and from the looks of it.. the number two seed in the east might come down to the last conference game of the season when depauw visits OU.. Good win by OU last night.. looks like they are on pace to win the most conference games in quite some time.. If they continue to play as hard and as smart as they have in recent weeks.. they could be very successful come tournament time..
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: petrel23 on January 27, 2008, 01:55:52 PM
All this talk about Russ Churchwell... we can't forget the inside dominance of Stan Goldberg!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on January 27, 2008, 02:59:04 PM
haha :)     yes.. stan goldberg.. a free throw machine.. played with him about 2-3 weeks ago.. they guy can still play some ball
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2008, 03:05:27 PM
Op-Ed piece (http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/01/18/0118schrum_edit.html) on the future of D-III and D-IV by Southwestern University's President Jake Schrum.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 27, 2008, 03:44:41 PM
DePauw leads Millsaps 33-32 at the half ... the first time the Majors have trailed at the half in 11 games.  They are 1-1 in games when trailing, including a loss to Div-I Southeastern Louisiana.  Millsaps' Montgomery and Rogan with 10 apiece and Oilar with 11 boards in the first half for DePauw.  The Majors need this one for moral after blowing a 6-point lead over #14 Centre with 31 seconds in regulation and then losing in OT bad.  Should be an interesting half of basketball ... the broadcast is also very well done if you're not listening online. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 27, 2008, 04:07:04 PM
Tigers opening it up the first 8 minutes of the half ... currently up by 12 at 58-46.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 04:07:05 PM
DePauw is having a nice early 2nd half run (58-46 at 12:20).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 04:11:47 PM
Too bad we can't get much info on the Centre-Hendrix game. The radio call on DePauw-Millsaps is coming through crisp and clear. 63-50 DePauw at 9:37 minute mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 05:01:07 PM
Rhodes College got a much needed win this afternoon against unvictorious Colorado College 88-72.  Cory Smith (24) and Jared Hoskins (23) led the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 27, 2008, 05:03:43 PM
Tough trip up north for Millsaps.  Looks like they competed well but came up short again today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 05:18:15 PM
Yea, sounded like Millsaps had enough in the tank for about 20-25 minutes of ball today.  Even Coach Wise seemed out of synch in the 2nd half when he called his last timeout with 3+ minutes to go in the game.  Bailey posted a nice stat line. Those who predicted the 3-ball would determine the winner today were on target.  Oilar had a big game on the boards, too helping DPU stay even on rebounds with the Majors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 05:21:58 PM
Well HendrixFan, I haven't heard anything on the game.  Is the Warrior's SID any faster than Centre's today?  Probably heading out to dinner before he posts scores.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 27, 2008, 05:28:16 PM
Centre knocked off Hendrix 69-59.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 27, 2008, 05:31:44 PM
King finished with 19 points, 14 boards for Hendrix and Rose added 13 but the 12-point halftime deficit was too much to overcome.  Centre was led by Noll (19), Nestheide (11) and Britt (10).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 05:32:28 PM
You're faster on the board than I am Major_Fan!  Thanks for the update.

Glad to get through this one without an upset collapse.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 27, 2008, 05:33:32 PM
Wish we could say the same. :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 27, 2008, 05:41:04 PM
I wouldn't call it a collapse, Major_Fan. I just think Millsaps ran into a DPU team that fired on all cylinders and did everything it had to do to win the basketball game.

DePauw's been a really strong second half team recently and today was no exception as they came out of the locker room hot. I was surprised to see Millsaps settle for so many jump shots - I thought they'd try and pound it with Rogan and Montgomery more. Montgomery started off on fire and I thought he'd just kill us with those 15-footers all game, but once they stopped falling he really became a non-factor. He's a great player but I think he put it in cruise control after he picked up that second foul in the first half.

True, MC was tired, and I certainly don't believe we saw them at their peak today. But don't let that take away from the Tigers. They were tremendous today - aggressive on defense and the glass. I doubt many teams have been able to outrun Millsaps this year, but DPU did exactly that. Mike Moore ought to win his second straight SCAC POTW award and is now emerging as a POTY candidate. Bench production was key as well - 34 points from DPU reserves as Lemasters hit some big threes and James was clutch at the free-throw line down the stretch.

Make no mistake - fatigue or not, DPU was the better team today and they won in convincing fashion that really isn't belied in the final score. It's their best SCAC win of the season and could vault them into the ARV (also receiving votes) category of the Top 25 this week.

Oh, and thanks for the kind words about the broadcast, Major_Fan. They're appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 27, 2008, 05:49:00 PM
Looks like Hendrix shut down Thomason & Britt, but Noll's 3-pointers hurt.
Nice fight in the second half by the Warriors after only scoring 19 in the first half.

Hopefully the Warriors will use this second half rally as a springboard to a couple of good home games next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 27, 2008, 06:04:26 PM
My thoughts on DPU/Millsaps today.... and I don't want this to come across as being overly-critical, but I'm still going to tell you what I think.

While Millsaps may have gotten tired, I thought a few of Coach Wise's decisions made the difference.  Really don't want to this come off the wrong way.  I'm a big Tim Wise fan.  But, he played man-to-man on DPU's shooters early and had some success.  He went to a 2-3 zone near the end of the first half and DePauw had no problems finding wide open three point shooters.  In the second half, he went to some kind of weird 1-3-1 zone, which again, DePauw had no problems finding wide open three point shooters.  By the time he went back to man, he was down double digits.

I'm fairly sure that Coach thought he had two timeouts left when he called his last with 3:30 and change to go.  However, go look at the play-by-play on the box score.  See how many timeouts Millsaps called in the game.  Now I know that's not Coach Wise's fault. That's his assistant's fault for not keeping track correctly, but there's absolutely no excuse for a mistake like that.  There were about 4 situations after that happened that I think he wished he could have called that timeout.

On top of all that, Millsaps didn't shoot it well and DePauw shot the lights out in the second half.  So there you go.  That's all I have to say about that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: hendrixfan on January 27, 2008, 05:49:00 PM
Looks like Hendrix shut down Thomason & Britt, but Noll's 3-pointers hurt.
Nice fight in the second half by the Warriors after only scoring 19 in the first half.

Hopefully the Warriors will use this second half rally as a springboard to a couple of good home games next weekend.

Yea, you did.  Thomas Britt is the type of player that doesn't always have to show him in the stat line to contribute big to his team.  Today he only took 3 shots.  Nestheide is the same type player as Britt, and everyone has keyed on him all year long after his winning POTY last year. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 06:37:07 PM
Coach Greg Mason of Centre should be on D3HOOPS tonight at 8:30 ET.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2008, 07:23:01 PM
"Make no mistake - fatigue or not, DPU was the better team today and they won in convincing fashion that really isn't belied in the final score."

I'm probably reading that quote incorrectly.  Clearly DePauw was the better team today but will we ever know if it was fatigue or not?  The beginning of the game makes one think that Millsaps was a pretty good team today when they started the game fresh, maybe even the better team. 

It's very possible that Coach Wise felt like his team didn't have the legs to go man-to-man the entire game and he was trying to steal some rest with some zone.  If that's the case, then it was a gamble that apparently didn't pay off due to DePauw's hot shooting.  If this was a Friday game and Millsaps had played man-to-man the entire game, something they have done most of the year, then I wonder if it would have made a difference?

I'm not trying to take anything away from DePauw, I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation.  Road trips in the SCAC are difficult, we all know that, and when you have to play a team like Centre on Friday and then travel and play a team like DePauw on Sunday, it is a very difficult task.  I said weeks ago that Trinity was the favorite in the West because they had DePauw and Centre at home and Millsaps had to play them on the road. 

Maybe I'm totally different from everyone here on the board, but I don't think I would have slept a lick on Friday night if I were a Millsaps player or coach.  Maybe all of you could have put that tough a loss out of mind in 30 minutes or so and slept like babies until it was time to hit the bus.  Even knowing that I had a tough game on Sunday, I wouldn't have gotten much rest in the 40 hours between the games.  It's just a possibility to consider.

Just my thoughts this evening.  In no way am I discounting the play of DePauw.  Just pointing out the obvious extra hurdles that Millsaps faced going into the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 08:09:01 PM
I still rank Millsaps in my top 25.  If the two games had been in Jackson this weekend, Millsaps likely would have won both games.  There's still a lot season to go and the Majors cannot be counted out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on January 27, 2008, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2008, 07:23:01 PM
"Make no mistake - fatigue or not, DPU was the better team today and they won in convincing fashion that really isn't belied in the final score."

I'm probably reading that quote incorrectly.  Clearly DePauw was the better team today but will we ever know if it was fatigue or not?  The beginning of the game makes one think that Millsaps was a pretty good team today when they started the game fresh, maybe even the better team. 

If that were the case, Frank, then the Majors only had about 8 minutes of wind in their sails today, because after they took a 20-11 lead at about the 12:10 mark of the first half, DPU took over. And I highly doubt that's the case - that's too athletic a team to just die like that.

I just think we should be careful of how much of Millsaps' play we can attribute to being worn down. It was a factor, sure, but lots of other things that DPU directly controlled were bigger factors; the way they shot from downtown against the zone, the way they forced Millsaps to settle for jumpshots and kept their bigs out of the paint, and the way they shot free throws down the stretch to ice the game.

I guess what I meant to say in my original post is that DPU was the better team today and that such a thing would have been reflected regardless of how worn down Millsaps was coming into the game. Put aside what we can only guess at - how tired Millsaps was - and focus on the numbers that give us concrete conclusions. I'm just saying that the league wide response to this one ought to be more along the lines of "Wow, DPU played a hell of a ballgame" and less "Gee, Millsaps must have been really tired."
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2008, 08:56:17 PM
Ok, I will give credit where credit is due.  DPU played a great game and were clearly the better team today.  I was wrong on Mike Moore; he was able to continue wreaking havoc.  Your bigs controlled the inside.  You nailed the 3-pointers.  This is one game though, and DePauw has shown a propensity to go hide at times.  Perhaps this is the breakout that the Tigers needed, and they're going be clicking on all cylinders now, win the tournament and go on to D3 glory.  I'm not ready to concede that yet.  Let's see how this next weekend goes for both DePauw and Centre on the Texas trip.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 28, 2008, 09:07:46 AM
Well, Centre has enjoyed a fantastic streak of 16 games (so far) this season and the Friday night game with Millsaps was one for the ages. The thing that I love about basketball during a season is you can't spend much time reflecting on your resume; you've got focus and look ahead to the next game; if not you may be doomed before you start.

The remainder of the Colonels regular season is loaded with the toughest stretch of their season. Trinity and Southwestern on the Texas swing are next up. Then there are home dates against Birmingham Southern and Rhodes. The final games are on the road against DePauw, Sewanee and Oglethorpe. Plenty of potential obstacles are in the Colonels' way, particularly in the 5 road games. I hope Centre can come away with a few road victories, but every team will be gunning for the Colonels the remainder of the way. Regardless of the outcome, I know they'll challenge and play exciting basketball and that's what I like about SCAC basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 28, 2008, 09:08:10 AM
Video of an impressive dunk by Rhodes' Cory Smith from the Colorado College game has been linked on the Memphis ABC affiliate's website:
http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/sports/default.aspx (http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/sports/default.aspx)

I know ESPN has it as well so it may be a candidate for the Play of the Day portion of Monday night's SportsCenter telecast.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 28, 2008, 09:41:30 AM
I'm not sure if I need to clarify this but I will:

--I don't think that anyone on the board doubts that DePauw is an outstanding team when they are firing on all cylinders.
--I don't doubt that DePauw played great Sunday, as reflected by the win and the margin of victory.
--Would DePauw have beaten Millsaps on a neutral court if both teams are rested.  Maybe, maybe not.  We'll never know.
--How much did fatigue play into the game?  I don't know, especially since I didn't see the game.  All I have to go on is the observations of the board members from DePauw.  Such as the observations:
--Edrick Montgomery started off great and then he seemed to go into cruise control.  Hmmm, maybe he just lost interest in the game or maybe the 40 minutes against Centre was a factor.  I don't know.
--Millsaps looked great in a man-to-man and then they went to a zone and it let DePauw back into the game.  Apparently this was a big factor in the game and the DePauw victory.  Was it because of fatigue that they went to a zone? I don't know.
--The comment was made about DePauw outrunning such an athletic team as Millsaps.  I'm sure DePauw has some very athletic players, but again, the observaton makes it sound like Millsaps was a tired team.

I'm not saying that Millsaps is the better team--I haven't seen DePauw play this year so that would be a rediculous statement.  I'm just saying that DePauw had a fresher team thanks to being at home, having the easier game on Friday, and not having the hangover of a very difficult loss.  Given all the factors, it's not surprising that a team as good as DePauw ended up running away from a team as good as Millsaps in the second half.  I suspect it would have been a closer game throughout if it had been the Friday night game.  That doesn't seem like such a radical notion.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 28, 2008, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2008, 03:05:27 PM
Op-Ed piece (http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/01/18/0118schrum_edit.html) on the future of D-III and D-IV by Southwestern University's President Jake Schrum.

With it being Monday and in the upcoming lull before we get to the weekend games, maybe someone can fill me in a little more on this D-III and D-IV thing.  The link to the full story is in Ralph's quote above, but here is a cut and paste from the heart of the story:

"Thankfully, the NCAA created a division that recognized that some colleges and universities still put academics first choosing to concentrate on recruiting students who were scholars first and athletes second. "Scholar-athlete" is the term that most national liberal arts colleges use to describe their students who are more interested in graduating than in post-season competition.

Make no mistake, these young men and women are fierce competitors, but their educational achievements take precedent. After creating Division III for these students several years ago, the NCAA, this week at its annual meeting in Nashville, is debating the creation of Division IV.

Supposedly, some institutions have been allowed to join Division III who are not as committed to its original purpose as those who conceived of the idea. Presently those institutions who want to keep Division III more of a student-athlete model are being gently encouraged to create Division IV if they can't embrace those who have joined Division III but do not adhere as seriously to the scholar-athlete model as those who conceived of Division III.

Those of us who espouse the concept of Division III got here first, and this division was created for us. If some in our division can't abide by the structured guidelines demanded by a scholar-athlete, then they should leave Division III and be comfortable in a newly created Division IV
."

After reading the above, I do find it very annoying that the NCAA wants to push the SCAC schools and others like them to a D4 level.  It really seems to discount the efforts of the athletes playing at that level.  We all know that even now the label D3 gives an impression of athletes and teams that are barely a step above high school, something we know to be false, but an impression held by the public in general.  The perception of teams at a D4 level would be even lower.

It also would follow that the trickle down effort of NCAA support gets less if it has to trickle down another level.  Will the current D3 schools become an NCAA after thought if they move down to the 4th level of the pyramid?  It just seems like this is a case of trying to squeeze a little bit more of the educational element out of the NCAA's.

Anyone with thoughts on this or additional input?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2008, 04:15:45 PM
Oh, Frank....

We have about 80 pages of this stuff over the last 3 years on the Future of D-III message board!  I think that there is so much obfuscation on the issue that it takes careful reading to discern what is happening.

Which college president is not putting the education of his or her students ahead of the athletics?

Who is running basketball mills in D-III? 

Who is facilitating the incurrence of massive student college debt to have a winning football program?  MUC?  SJU?  Linfield?  Rowan? Millsaps?  Trinity?

Thanks for responding!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 28, 2008, 04:38:26 PM
I'm going to throw some really uninformed questions out there for the general public.  Feel free to provide answers that make my stupidity blatantly apparent. 

1.  What about certain (or all) SCAC schools make them good candidates to go to D4?  Their non-commitment to building athletic powerhouses?  Their commitment to athletic academic success coming first? 

2. Now I understand that we're in the infancy of such an issue, but are even the Trinity's and the DePauw's of the world (referring to those schools who historically finish well in the all-sports rankings) being talked about in this? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Old_Gold on January 28, 2008, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 28, 2008, 09:41:30 AM
--I don't doubt that DePauw played great Sunday, as reflected by the win and the margin of victory.
--Would DePauw have beaten Millsaps on a neutral court if both teams are rested.  Maybe, maybe not.  We'll never know.
--How much did fatigue play into the game?  I don't know, especially since I didn't see the game.  All I have to go on is the observations of the board members from DePauw.  Such as the observations:
--Edrick Montgomery started off great and then he seemed to go into cruise control.  Hmmm, maybe he just lost interest in the game or maybe the 40 minutes against Centre was a factor.  I don't know.
--Millsaps looked great in a man-to-man and then they went to a zone and it let DePauw back into the game.  Apparently this was a big factor in the game and the DePauw victory.  Was it because of fatigue that they went to a zone? I don't know.
--The comment was made about DePauw outrunning such an athletic team as Millsaps.  I'm sure DePauw has some very athletic players, but again, the observaton makes it sound like Millsaps was a tired team.

I'm not saying that Millsaps is the better team--I haven't seen DePauw play this year so that would be a rediculous statement.  I'm just saying that DePauw had a fresher team thanks to being at home, having the easier game on Friday, and not having the hangover of a very difficult loss.  Given all the factors, it's not surprising that a team as good as DePauw ended up running away from a team as good as Millsaps in the second half.  I suspect it would have been a closer game throughout if it had been the Friday night game.  That doesn't seem like such a radical notion.

I was at the DPU-Saps game Sunday and I believe fatigue had much to do with the margin of victory, but probably not the outcome of the game. DePauw was the better team Sunday. The Tigers let the game get out of hand in the first 10 minutes or so. Lorenzo Bailey had 3 steals in the first 3 minutes that resulted in 3 layups. That's 6 points given up on poor ball handling. DePauw started working their way back into the game and were on top at the half by one. 
The halftime rest energized the Majors and they came back to challenge in the first few minutes.  Montgomery was visibly tired in the second half. I believe the zone was an attempt by Coach Wise to give his team some rest. It didn't work. DPU was all over the zone and hitting their treys.
A few other observations:
Millsaps is not a second half powerhouse.  Their team stats show they score about the same in the first half and second on average. DePauw is a second half team. They score more in the second half than the first.
DPU's bench put up 34 points to the Majors' 8. Depth was a big factor in the game.
Winning on the road is problematic for DIII athletes. However, they all have the same trips to make. All teams goals are to play in the NCAA tourney. No one (well, maybe Otterbein in 2003) gets to play all post season games on their home court, so overcoming the travel / fatigue is part of a great team's mission.
DPU plays an uptempo game. Our bigs run the floor as well as the guards. That style of play by both teams probably contributed to the fatigue. DPU had the subs to continue to run when Millsaps didn't.

In no way do I denigrate the effort or even the results of the Millsaps team this last weekend. Taking Centre to OT in Danville is a huge accomplishment. That worked in the Tigers' favor when a leg-heavy team played on our home court. Millsaps is the most athletic SCAC team I've seen in a while. Edrick is a beast in the post. Bailey was very impressive on both offense and defense. DPU's depth, rest, and shooting made the difference.  On a neutral court and with both teams rested... who knows.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 28, 2008, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 28, 2008, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2008, 03:05:27 PM
Op-Ed piece (http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/01/18/0118schrum_edit.html) on the future of D-III and D-IV by Southwestern University's President Jake Schrum.


Anyone with thoughts on this or additional input?


Too bad they didn't have D5 or D6 ball back in the day.  I could've been an All-American!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2008, 08:09:14 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on January 28, 2008, 04:38:26 PM
I'm going to throw some really uninformed questions out there for the general public.  Feel free to provide answers that make my stupidity blatantly apparent. 

1.  What about certain (or all) SCAC schools make them good candidates to go to D4?  Their non-commitment to building athletic powerhouses?  Their commitment to athletic success coming first? 

2. Now I understand that we're in the infancy of such an issue, but are even the Trinity's and the DePauw's of the world (referring to those schools who historically finish well in the all-sports rankings) being talked about in this? 

NCAC Commissioner interviewed on D-III/D-IV (http://www.the-daily-record.com/news/article/2333661)  -- David Collinge found this one, and here is the attendant discussion (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.975).

Wes, I think that the best document to read is this 185 page Power Point (http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/governance/division_III/Working_Group_Membership_Issues/May_31/sup_b.pdf) presentation from the Working Group meeting last summer.  Please work your way thru it, and look at the various ways that the Working Group has tried to identify the 150 members that it will take to make a new division cost-effective. (Nope, that doesn't get 150.  Nope that doesn't either, but the WIAC is in that one. That one does, but do we really want the WIAC? Etc., etc., etc.)

My continuing question has been, will they find the 150 members who want to disrupt their current arrangements?   ???

Of note, on page 137 of 185 we see the Southwestern cohort (SU, RC, CeC, CoC, UOS, DPU, HC) and the others (TU, AC, OU, Saps) with respect to voting.  BSC is not considered. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on January 28, 2008, 10:18:46 PM
Top 25 poll just released... I have to say as a Millsaps fan that I don't agree with knocking us out of the poll completely.  We lost to two teams who were a combined 30-5 ...on the road.  Centre moves up to #11.

What's everyone elses take on the poll?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 28, 2008, 10:24:12 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on January 28, 2008, 10:18:46 PM

What's everyone elses take on the poll?

I was afraid Millsaps would drop out, but at the same time hopeful the voters would take into account the competition and being on the road the past weekend.

I am surprised the Majors only received 15 votes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 28, 2008, 11:03:10 PM
Quote from: hendrixfan on January 28, 2008, 10:24:12 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on January 28, 2008, 10:18:46 PM

What's everyone elses take on the poll?

I've been filling out a top 25 poll the past several weeks - I had moved them down to #24 in my poll.  I respect what my Centre friends tell me about Millsaps along with Frank's insights, and everyone I've communicated with thinks they are a very solid team deserving of a top 25 ranking.  This polling stuff gets pretty interesting when you try to figure out who should get the 16-25 slots in the rankings; theres's a lot of argument on who should go in these slots.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 28, 2008, 11:11:50 PM
Ralph, appreciate all of the info you've supplied on the future of D3 and how the NAIA figures in this - I'm a relative neophyte to NCAA III and I found the PowerPoint material informative.  I need to read more on the topic before I can offer any informed opinion through this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 29, 2008, 07:48:10 AM
Based on the way that polls work, I think it is understandable that Millsaps fell from the top 25.  There is such a fine line between a high ranking and being unranked and two straight losses usually means a big hit in the votes.  Just as an example of how fine the line can be:

--If the Centre 3-pointer doesn't go in a the end of regulation, Centre probably falls to maybe 20.  One shot makes the difference in maybe 9 spots in the ranking.

--If Lorenzo Bailey doesn't hit the last second shot against Sewanee, then Millsaps is probably unranked last week instead of #18.  That one shot probably meant at least 10 spots in the rankings.  Also, Millsaps wasn't penalized for only winning by 1 on their home court, just as they were given bonus points for losing to two tough opponents on the road.

--And this is theory instead of reality, but if the timing of the schedule had been that this was the year that Centre and DePauw came to Jackson, then I could see Millsaps having won both games this weekend and certainly moving as high as 11th, maybe into the top-10, instead of currently being unranked.

The polls are interesting and I do like it when Millsaps gets ranked, but I've learned over the years that the polls are insignificant when compared to the NCAA Regional rankings.  A high ranking there is the thing that helps you at the end of the season.

Also, to all the DePauw folks:  I do see your points about the game and I think we all are in agreement that both teams are very good this year.  Plus, I want to add my thanks to the DePauw broadcast team, which was a team of one this weekend, for the outstanding coverage.  As always, it was very professional and I am impressed on how much home work you did on the visiting team.  I look forward to your coverage of the SCAC Tournament--I hope you guys do that once again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 29, 2008, 10:05:22 AM
In the East we currently have Centre(8-0), DePauw(6-2), Oglethorpe(6-2), Rhodes(2-6), Sewanee(0-8), and Birmingham Southern.

In the West we currently have Millsaps(7-2), Trinity(6-2), Southwestern(4-4), Hendrix(4-5), Austin(2-6), and Colorado (0-8).

I thought some people may find it interesting to look at the current standings and the remaining schedule to see who has the toughest and easiest road from here and how that my shake up the standings for the rest of the season.

Here's the remaining schedule for the regular season (someone may want to break it down into a single line for each team showing the SCAC home and away games--I only had time to do a cut-and-paste):

Feb. 1 
   8:00 PM  Birmingham Southern   Hendrix     
   8:00 PM  Oglethorpe   Austin     
   8:00 PM  Colorado Col.   Sewanee     
   9:00 PM  DePauw   Southwestern (Tex.)     
   9:00 PM  Rhodes   Millsaps     
   9:00 PM  Centre   Trinity (Tex.)     
Feb. 2 
   9:00 PM  DePauw   Trinity (Tex.)     
   9:00 PM  Centre   Southwestern (Tex.)     
Feb. 3 
   1:00 PM  Oglethorpe   Colorado Col.     
   2:00 PM  Sewanee   Austin     
   3:00 PM  Rhodes   Hendrix     
   4:00 PM  Birmingham Southern   Millsaps     
Feb. 6 
   7:00 PM  Piedmont   Oglethorpe     
   9:00 PM  Maryville (Tenn.)   Sewanee     
Feb. 8 
   8:00 PM  Austin   Hendrix     
   8:00 PM  Birmingham Southern   Centre     
   8:00 PM  Rhodes   DePauw     
   9:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)   Southwestern (Tex.)     
   9:00 PM  Colorado Col.   Millsaps     
Feb. 9 
   6:00 PM  Dallas   Trinity (Tex.)     
   8:00 PM  Sewanee   Oglethorpe     
Feb. 10 
   3:00 PM  Birmingham Southern   DePauw     
   3:00 PM  Colorado Col.   Hendrix     
   3:00 PM  Rhodes   Centre     
   4:00 PM  Austin   Millsaps     
   6:00 PM  Dallas   Southwestern (Tex.)     
Feb. 15 
   8:00 PM  Hendrix   Trinity (Tex.)     
   8:00 PM  Oglethorpe   Birmingham Southern     
   8:00 PM  Sewanee   Rhodes     
   9:00 PM  Millsaps   Southwestern (Tex.)     
Feb. 16 
   3:00 PM  Centre   DePauw     
   3:00 PM  Colorado Col.   Austin     
   9:00 PM  Hendrix   Southwestern (Tex.)     
Feb. 17 
   3:00 PM  Millsaps   Trinity (Tex.)     
   3:00 PM  Sewanee   Birmingham Southern     
   3:00 PM  Oglethorpe   Rhodes     
Feb. 22 
   8:00 PM  Centre   Oglethorpe     
   8:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)   Austin     
   9:00 PM  DePauw   Sewanee     
   10:00 PM  Southwestern (Tex.)   Colorado Col.     
Feb. 23 
   4:00 PM  Hendrix   Millsaps     
   5:00 PM  Rhodes   Birmingham Southern     
   8:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)   Colorado Col.     
Feb. 24 
   3:00 PM  Southwestern (Tex.)   Austin     
   4:00 PM  Centre   Sewanee     
   8:00 PM  DePauw   Oglethorpe 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2008, 11:00:44 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 29, 2008, 07:48:10 AM
--If Lorenzo Bailey doesn't hit the last second shot against Sewanee, then Millsaps is probably unranked last week instead of #18.  That one shot probably meant at least 10 spots in the rankings.  Also, Millsaps wasn't penalized for only winning by 1 on their home court, just as they were given bonus points for losing to two tough opponents on the road.

...

The polls are interesting and I do like it when Millsaps gets ranked, but I've learned over the years that the polls are insignificant when compared to the NCAA Regional rankings.  A high ranking there is the thing that helps you at the end of the season.

Unfortunately, that ranking gives you no bonus points for losing.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 29, 2008, 12:37:22 PM
There aren't many bonus points for losing in any poll.  Just for my education, the value of a win or loss in baseball is greatly effected by the record of your opponent and maybe now the record of their opponents (I get mixed up on all this).  In basketball, is it just win-loss percentage with no regard (or bonus points) for losing to a strong team?

I'm sure there's a link somewhere that explains this so maybe someone can point me in the right direction.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 29, 2008, 01:54:07 PM
I'm not entirely sure how the NCAA Regional Rankings are done.  Pat would you be able to fill me in.  Is it voted on by Regional Coaches or is it done based on a statistical analysis? 

I'm pretty sure it only looks at wins and losses vs. IN-region games and does not take into account out-of-region games.  this is a difficult way to rank teams because if we recall a few years back University of Dallas and other non-conference affiliated schools would try and play a lot of south region games to get their region wins up high enough to get an at-large bid.  not saying that they didn't deserve making the tourney, but this penalizes other schools (DePauw and other schools further from the south region, even trinity at times) who go outside of the region to play a variety of schools in different areas of the country.

with all of this said, I can't knock the system because without publicity for DIII and no AP polls (although we all probably think that they should consult D3hoops.com, right Pat?) it's difficult to give an in depth system to evaluating teams that should make the national tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2008, 02:07:21 PM
Both regional rankings and at-large selections are governed by the same criteria:

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=45
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fundamentals on January 29, 2008, 02:11:28 PM
First time poster.....

I'm going to say that DePauw and Centre have the toughest roads in the conference.  Depauw and Centre travel to Trinty/Southwestern this weekend, home weekend against Birmingham Southern/Rhodes, play each other AT DePauw and then on the road at Oglethorpe/Sewanee.

Millsaps has 5 of their last 7 at home including home games with Colorado (0fer) and Austin. The one tough road game they do have left is Trinty on the road.

Trinty has Millsaps at home and still have to make the Colorado/Austin trip.

I would say that Millsaps is in the best position as far as remaining schedule is concerned.  If they could have knocked off either Centre or DePauw this past weekend it would have been huge for them but with their remaining schedule I can see them running the table (the exception may be the game at Trinty!)

Interesting to say the least!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2008, 02:26:54 PM
Welcome to the board -- spread the word!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 29, 2008, 09:52:24 PM
Quote from: Fundamentals on January 29, 2008, 02:11:28 PM
I'm going to say that DePauw and Centre have the toughest roads in the conference.  Depauw and Centre travel to Trinty/Southwestern this weekend, home weekend against Birmingham Southern/Rhodes, play each other AT DePauw and then on the road at Oglethorpe/Sewanee.

That may be true, but what I think is considerably more important for those two teams is which one of them comes out of that mess with the better record. 

The one who wins the East will likely face Trinity in the second round of the conference tournament and would potentially avoid Millsaps until the final.  The team with the worse record would see the Majors in the second round.  Not knocking Trinity, but Millsaps may have a cushion in that Western division after this weekend.  I think the Majors are probably the team everyobdy is trying to avoid in the West.

Then again, stranger things have happened at that tournament.  Maybe it's not that important at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 30, 2008, 08:29:51 AM
Wes, amen to the comment "stranger things have happened at that tournament".  You are looking at it from the East point of view of who would you face in the semi-finals.  From the West point of view, the big question is who will you face in the first round.

As it stands now, the 1W would play 2-6 Rhodes and the 2W would play DePauw(6-2) since OU (6-2) won over DePauw.  With all due respect to Rhodes, and keeping in mind that a #8 seeded Rhodes team beat a #1 seeded Trinity team in recent years, it just seems to me that the 2W team is going to have the hardest road to the championship out of the top 4 seeded teams.  Not that there is an easy road to the finals.  It looks like this is a year where any team that looks past their first round game is likely to be going home after the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 30, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
I echo Pat's comments, Fundamentals, welcome aboard!

Don't disagree on toughest roads the remainder of the season - Centre & DePauw have pretty tough sledding ahead.  Centre's road record looks pretty gaudy right now, but the meat of its road games are ahead of them with the Trinity & Southwestern series being of critical importance for positioning.  My hope is the Colonels can finish the weekend no worse than 1-1.  DePauw would benefit tremendously from winning both games.  I expect OU will win their weekend games, too.   The E side of the SCAC, in my opinion, is far from over.  My sleeper in the East continues to be Oglethorpe as I think they're improving every single game, and I am wishing every day that our remaining game with them was in Danville, not Atlanta!

I hope to have a better handle on the W side this weekend when I get my first actual look at Trinity in San Antonio.  Logic tells me to go with Millsaps as the lead dog on the west side.  But as several others have remarked, strange things can happen the remainder of the regular season to set the tone for the SCAC tournament brackets.

Fixing to fly to San Antonio soon.  Will blog from Texas some time later this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fundamentals on January 30, 2008, 10:35:06 AM
One of the neat things about the SCAC is the fact that you play the games on the weekends and have all week to discuss what went on and the implications of that weekend.  Good stuff!

I think the West will be easier to see after this weekend.  With Trinty playing both Centre AND DePauw it will have it's fate in front of them.  If Trinty could pull off the sweep things could get really interesting with Millsaps. 

My guess is that Millsaps is pulling for Centre AND DePauw this weekend?? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 30, 2008, 12:52:51 PM
The next few weeks should be interesting for Hendrix & Southwestern fans as they fight for the third seed in the west.  Southwestern is 4-4; Hendrix is 4-5 in the conference standings.
Here are the matchups:
FEB 1 - DePauw @ SW, Birm Southern @ Hendrix *
FEB 2 - Centre @ SW
FEB 3 - Rhodes @ Hendrix

FEB 8 - Austin @ Hendrix
FEB 9 - Trinity @ SW
FEB 10 - Colorado College @ Hendrix, Dallas @ SW *

FEB 15 - Millsaps @ SW, Hendrix @ Trinity
FEB 16 - Hendrix @ SW

FEB 22 - SW @ Colorado
FEB 23 - Hendrix @ Millsaps
FEB 24 - SW & Austin
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: billzeffer on January 30, 2008, 08:41:28 PM
I think Trinity could have a rough weekend with Centre and Depauw coming to town.  I think this will be an excellent test to see what they are really made of because if you can't win big games like these at home it's tough to expect to win them on the road come tourney time.  That being said I just don't know if this years Trinity team has the fire power to keep up with the red hot colonels.  Trinity has a good record but if you look closer into it you'll see that they have squeaked out many of these games against lesser opponents.  I know a win is a win, but the scores tell more than just the W or the L.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 30, 2008, 11:01:11 PM
BillZeffer, I agree Friday's game should be a good test for both teams. Centre has not beaten Trinity in San Antonio in something like 10 years so this is not one that you can automatically give to the Colonels. I expect to see a defensive struggle, and hope the Colonels exhibit better defense then they've been showing of late. Even though I've not seen the Tigers play yet this season, I've assumed some of the low victory margins Cunningham's team have had are more the result of long possessions and solid defense than lack of fire power. Glad I'll have a chance to see this one in person Friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on January 30, 2008, 11:31:27 PM
pbrooks, you'll be down in san antonio friday?  hopefully you can give a recap on how my tigers play.  I think Trinity and Centre are a great matchup.  The colonels have a little more winning experience in their lineup, but it's hard to overlook such a strong/streaky group of juniors for Trinity.  They'll be ready to come out and play after the defeat they took in the championship last year.  Britt vs. Moon matchup is a very athletic one that will be interesting to watch.  Britt is having himself a terrific season and is definitely putting his name in the hat for POY.  This is really a weekend of great guards in san antonio.  Britt, Moon, Nestheide, Houston....4 good SCAC players who will be sure to match up with one another.  I believe this game will be decided by the play of Charles Houston.  He's one of the best individual on-ball defensive players I've seen in the SCAC for some time (just look at his steals the past two seasons, and those are usually straight up on-ball) and if he can put in a solid game, these Tigers have a great shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2008, 10:04:49 AM
Agree, this should be a fun game to watch given that I like good defense. Not sure whether Houston will be matched with Britt. My guess is Houston will guard Nestheide and Moon will be matched with Britt starting the game.  Nestheide is really the engine that makes Centre offense go. Of course everyone knows this and teams have taken away some of his shots this season.  Britt is having a standup year both offensively and defensively. Thomas and Matt are both excellent on-ball defenders. Will attempt to blog Friday and keep folks updated during the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 01, 2008, 08:20:10 AM
In a bit of old news from last week's games, I was looking at the SCAC website for the preseason baseball picks and I saw that Edrick Montgomery made the D3 Team-of-the-Week last week.  Edrick is a gifted athlete, having won the 100 and 200 meter state championship in high school as well as having been an outstanding basketball player.  If he is 100% focused over the last half of this season, and admittedly there are times when that is not the case, then Millsaps will be a team that gets into a higher gear to close out the season.

Link for team of week:  http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/index.html
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 01, 2008, 10:59:09 AM
I'll be making the treck to Colorado this weekend to do the Oglethorpe Men's and Women's games.  If anyone is interested here's the link: http://www.oglethorpe.edu/athletics/listen_live.asp

You can also watch it live for a cost of $6 here:  http://www.b2livetv.com/default.asp?v=Basketball

Does anyone know if Austin does any type of broadcast of live stats?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 01:52:47 PM
AC, at this point, does not have the capability to do live stats, but I know it's something they are looking into to have ASAP.

However, for today's game, they won't have anything.

I'll post some updates, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 03:21:47 PM
FlightofthePetrel, I bought the $6 video of the Centre/CC game 2 weekends ago. If someone purchases the OU/CC ticket, be sure to have something else to entertain you while watching (like live stats) or the audio because you might be inclined to nap. The score is only displayed at timeouts, so you need to be on the alert. Since OU fans can get audio, that's probably your best bet. The Colonels didn't pay for this promotion!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 01, 2008, 03:31:16 PM
Jekelish- thanks for the information about Austin and I appreciate your willingness to post some updates.  I'll be checking my phone for the updates on the board.

Pbrooks- I'm sure the OU fans will appreciate your insight.  I'm sure for most of the SCAC schools that are just beginning to do audio and video productions the quality of the broadcasts are in their infancy.  There's only one way to go from there- UP... I look forward to the advancements all SCAC schools will be making in this field in the years to come.  It's amazing how D3 sports is advancing.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 05:13:32 PM
Agreement on the video - it will get better. Actually the camera work was ok at CC. Will be heading to Trinity for both men's and women's games in about 90 minutes. Will attempt to update regularly throughout each game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 01, 2008, 07:38:48 PM
Live stats for Centre@TU:

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/livestats/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 09:06:44 PM
Trinity up 8 in the first 6 minutes (12-4). Lewis had 7.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 09:07:12 PM
AC and OU just about to tip off...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 09:17:53 PM
Trinity 24-11 at 7:41 mark of the 1st half. Tigers are sucking Colonels down low and getting free looks on the perimeter for scores. Centre needs to get back to fundamentals.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 09:25:45 PM
AC leads 22-17 with 9:01 left in the first...seven players have already scored for AC...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 09:28:35 PM
1:43 to go in the half - Trinity up 34-24.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 09:39:02 PM
Trinity looks pretty solid on the home court, leading by 10 at half (34-24). Centre made up 7 points before the half and defended strong in the last 4 minutes. Trinity is sharing the load on offense and doing the same on the defensive end. Matt Nestheide had a nice half scoring 12. Tigers have shut down Britt - 2 free throws. A good team within 10 at half has a chance, but Centre will really have to defend and get a few boards and turnovers going their way to beat Trinity tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 09:42:06 PM
27 seconds left in the first, AC leads 37-34 with Kola Alade going to the line to shoot one and one...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 01, 2008, 09:47:53 PM
Millsaps leads Rhodes 48-33 at the break.  The Majors missed their first 11 shots of the half and hit the final 18 of 32 to shoot 42 percent.  Millsaps' Montgomery with 17 points, 10 rebounds on 6-of-14 shooting in the period. Reid Hamilton with 8 for Rhodes.  The Lynx are 14-of-15 from the charity stripe... Millsaps 8-of-8.  Rhodes is shooting just 31 percent.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 09:55:21 PM
39-37 AC leads at the half.  Mark Foster leads all scorers with 12 for the 'Roos, Joe Kennedy has 10 for Oglethorpe.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 09:58:45 PM
Trinity 41-32 at 12:36 mark of 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 10:16:12 PM
Tied at 52 here in Sherman with 11:30 to play...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 10:16:14 PM
57-50 Trinity with 5:57 to go. It's a free throw game for Trinity now and they're converting. Centre is scrapping but TU is tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 10:22:09 PM
Thomason hits a 3; Centre down 6 with 2:35 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 10:26:19 PM
Britt hits a 3 at 1:13; TU leads 65-61 with the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 10:28:31 PM
67-64 TU with 29.8 seconds.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 10:29:51 PM
62-59, Oglethorpe leads with 4:03 left...AC with the ball coming out of a timeout...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2008, 10:30:27 PM
I think that the South is more balanced than we had previously thought.

Centre at Trinity has done no better than TLU and HSU from the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 10:31:22 PM
67-67 with 10 seconds TU possession
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 10:34:27 PM
OT in San Antonio 67-67
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 10:37:03 PM
69-65 Oglethorpe leads with 1:38 remaining...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 10:39:49 PM
69-69 2:49 left in the OT. Britt got 2 good 3 looks that just wouldn't go down. TU has missed a few free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 10:41:17 PM
71-69, Oglethorpe leads with 47.4 seconds left...Alade taking over the game for AC, 26 points in the game...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 10:43:21 PM
71-69 still, AC with the ball and 15.9 seconds left...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2008, 10:45:07 PM
Centre is going to pull it out in OT!

Trinity fans are probably kicking themselves as the clock winds down.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 10:45:27 PM
Centre 76-69 with Colonels going to the line for 2 shots (11:48) to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 10:46:54 PM
Kyle Lintelman's 17 footer was halfway down before popping out, but OU missed the front end of a 1 and 1...

AC has the ball 94 feet away with 1 second on the clock...71-69 OU...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2008, 10:48:18 PM
78-69, Centre! (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/livestats/xlive.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2008, 10:51:39 PM
Final score: Centre 78 Trinity 69. The Colonels proved themselves tonight in a hostile environment. Great teams figure out how to get it done on the road. Nestheide was big down the stretch as were the others. No voice left after this one. First win for Centre in San Antonio in something like 13 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fundamentals on February 01, 2008, 10:52:14 PM
Got to listen to the last 3 minutes of regulation and all of overtime of the Centre/Trinty game.  If there are two tougher guards than Matt and Thomas from Centre I don't want to see them.  Those kids are tougher than nails!  Great win by Centre!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 01, 2008, 10:54:05 PM
DPU 54, SU 34 from Georgetown tonight. DPU went on a 33-6 run in the game's final 12:32. Moore with 19, Schott just misses a double-double with 9 and 9.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 01, 2008, 10:54:11 PM
Final from Sherman: Oglethorpe holds on to win 71-69
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 01, 2008, 11:06:12 PM
Final Score from Jackson, Miss... Millsaps 93, Rhodes 72

Box Score: http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-020108.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 02, 2008, 12:40:19 AM
Jekelish,

We just got to our place in Denver and I'm finally able to get to a computer.  I wanted to thank you for the constant updates.  I could check the posts on my phone but wasn't able to reply.  Thanks again, sorry ya'll came away with an L... it sounded like a close game throughout.

Oglethorpe improves to 12-6 (7-2)... only 2 wins away from last years total of 14... one of the best years in recent memory for OU, and all this after losing 6 seniors.  Keep it up guys!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 01:02:14 AM
I know I'm a tad bit biased, but the Centre squad impressed me a lot tonight. They really came on at the end of regulation like a team possessed. Players who weren't hitting shots most of the night stepped it up including Thomas Britt, who canned 3 three-pointers at key stages of the 2nd half. TC Thomason came into this game ice-cold shooting, and continued to struggle, going 0-7 before hitting his final 4 shots, including 2 huge 3-pointers in the final stanza. Danny Noll quietly went about his business with a yeoman-like performance of scoring (13) and rebounding (7). Several reserves made big plays, too, including Ryan Crowdis and Chris Gowers (2 three-pointers we had to have). The MVP of the night was Matt Nestheide who kept the team in the game in the 1st half with his scoring and defended like a lunatic against BJ Moon. He was super in the stretch working the Trinity defense to the bone off the dribble. Once the Colonels got it to OT, Nestheide was willing the team to the finish line with his strong physical play. Trinity is a solid team with excellent guard play. One more whistle in Trinity's favor tonight and TU walks out of their gym with a W.  On to Georgetown for another big game tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 02, 2008, 11:32:25 AM
I haven't seen them play myself, but it sounds like Centre is for real.  They have, however, ESCAPED with two wins over Millsaps and Trinity as of late.  Majors up by 6 with 31 seconds left and can't finish... Tigers up 7 with 1:25 left and can't finish.  Should be an interesting end at the SCAC Tournament and I'm looking forward to a few rematches on neutral courts with a lot more to play for.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 02, 2008, 02:25:58 PM
I'm going to just throw it out there and say that at this rate, Thomas Britt is going to be named SCAC POY.  He has really developed into a good ball player. 

Sad day as a Trinity fan, but it shows promise.  pbrooks, who looked good for the Tigers?  I noticed freshmen Luke Caldarera posted some fairly good numbers in such a big game.  I've got him pegged on becoming a really good player in this conference.  Right now he lacks the upperclassmen confidence, but this guy has all the tools to be an elite player - he just needs to realize that it's okay to take over at times as a freshmen.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 02, 2008, 03:18:18 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on February 02, 2008, 02:25:58 PM
I'm going to just throw it out there and say that at this rate, Thomas Britt is going to be named SCAC POY.  He has really developed into a good ball player. 

Britt's a heck of a tough player, and yes, he sure has exhibited dominance against the Old Gold. But:

Britt: 16.1-2.9-2.3
Player X: 17.5-2.1-6.2
Player Y: 15.3-8.9-1.0

I'll let you guess who the other two players are, but I'd vote for the two of them before I'd vote for Britt. That's not intended as a knock on Britt - but I've seen all three of those players play and I think those anonymous folks are both more important to their teams.

Of course, I don't get a vote, so my opinion and 25 cents will get you a daily paper.  And Centre's had such a stranglehold on the postseason awards of late that I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Britt wins it. But I'm not sure he's that team's most important player. I'm far more impressed with what Nestheide has done in a role that reduces his scoring on that team. That shows a great deal of unselfishness for a reigning conference POTY.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 02, 2008, 04:12:25 PM
I wanna know where you can still get a daily paper for two bits.

Congrats to Centre for hanging in and coming back late last night, even though it pains me that TU couldn't hang in and get the big win.  Grr.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 02, 2008, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 02, 2008, 04:12:25 PM
I wanna know where you can still get a daily paper for two bits.

I was adjusting the monetary value of my own opinion. Inflation, you know.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 09:21:45 PM
Early post - Centre up 12-7 at 13:00 minute mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 09:34:18 PM
5:23 to go in 1st half - Centre up 25-15.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 02, 2008, 09:53:11 PM
Centre over Southwestern 30-24 at the half.

Trinity over DePauw by 7 at the half, I think it is 38-31.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 09:53:27 PM
30-24 half with Centre leading. Southwestern got 5 stops in a row before half with 2 baskets to climb closer. Coach Raleigh is playing 5 minute shifts with two sets of five players. He started a young five and subbed the experienced five. Looks to me the young five are playing the Colonels tougher than the veteran five. Thomas Britt sat much of the first half with 2 fouls. Colonels are shooting 10-27 so it's pretty ugly so far. Boys will need a big effort in the final 20 minutes to win this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 10:03:10 PM
35-24 starting the half for Centre.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 10:07:17 PM
Southwestern has answered the bell scoring 7 straight. At 17:17 mark, Centre up 35-31.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 02, 2008, 10:18:45 PM
Trinity jumped to a 11 point lead early in the 2nd half, but DePauw lead 53-50 with about 8 to play.  I would think it would be to Millsaps advantage for DePauw to win.

Now tied.  It sounds like it will be a wild finish.  Trinity apparently has close to a full house tonight--they had a ceremony presenting the $100,000 Pontiac check at halfitme.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 10:19:31 PM
10:22 left; Centre up 9
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 02, 2008, 10:24:46 PM
TU got up by 5, DePauw came back to tie at 60.

Trinity now up by 2 with 4:04 to play.  DePauw calls timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 10:29:01 PM
It's tight at Georgetown with Centre up 49-44 at 6:23 mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 10:39:02 PM
56-49 Centre with 1:03 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 10:43:02 PM
With 29 seconds to play Centre leads 59-49
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 02, 2008, 10:45:11 PM
DePauw wins by 2, Trinity had the last shot and it didn't go in.  A great road trip by both teams from the North.  A very tough weekend for Trinity, a weekend where they could have just as easily gone 2-0 but ended up 0-2.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2008, 10:45:11 PM
Final 59-49. Wasn't pretty but it's a W! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 03, 2008, 02:03:01 AM
Having made the 2 hour drive from Georgetown back to my San Antonio hotel tonight following the Centre-Southwestern game, I am gaining appreciation as to what many of the SCAC teams must experience when doing the Texas leg. Can only imagine the logistics for DePauw which actually comes a greater distance than Centre. I assume DPU gets flights originating from Indianapolis which represents a reasonable bus journey from Greencastle.

The trip for Centre this weekend I believe is worth noting. Centre teams got underway early Thursday morning (5:30 ET) on a bus that took them on a 4-hour trip to Nashville to get a flight to San Antonio. They arrived late afteroon in San Antonio. Game was played Friday night at Trinity and immediately following the game, they bused to Georgetown for the night in preparation for Saturday's game with Southwestern. Sunday morning they'll leave the hotel about 5:30 to fly from Austin to Nashville. They'll then bus back to Danville. Compounding the return trip home is the fact that Sunday travel arrangements had originally been made preparing for Sunday afternoon games. So the early morning departure is designed to get stand-by flights earlier in the day in an effort to get the players back on campus Sunday rather than early Monday AM. These D3 student athletes also happened to miss their opening 2 days of classes for the spring semester. My point is SCAC schools jump through lots of hoops (bad pun sorry) to handle the regular season travel through this conference.

The fact that both DePauw and Centre came away this weekend 4-0 combined on the Texas road makes this is even more remarkable to me.
Guess I'm just getting old.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on February 03, 2008, 09:43:43 AM
Anybody going to AC/Sewanee game that can post updates?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 11:12:12 AM
I'll be at the AC/Sewanee game and post updates as often as I can...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on February 03, 2008, 01:48:31 PM
Jekelish

great, thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 03, 2008, 02:06:33 PM
DPULefty, i'm not really seeing the point to throwing up statistics for 2 other players.  But that goes back to a very long debate over how much stats should be taken into account.  I just see Britt playing a huge part in a so-far SCAC undefeated Centre season.  And as far as the other 2 players, Moore is a good player, he is tough.  He also shoots his team out of games and tries too much sometimes.  I would definitely give Britt the nod over Moore.  The other player is obviously Montgomerry, who also deserves POY consideration.  But with 2 SCAC losses on the board, it's hard not to give Britt the nod (whom i believe hit the game winner in that one).  This will be an interesting vote this year.  maybe the hardest
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 02:59:21 PM
3 minutes until tip at AC...the women just finished up a thriller, with AC getting a three with 2.5 seconds left to win it 70-67...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 03:10:51 PM
16:20 left in the first half, AC up 7-0 on Sewanee...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 03:26:56 PM
22-19 AC leads with 5:32 left...right now it's all Sturtevant and Alade for the 'Roos, combining for 19 points...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 03:37:58 PM
Gary Grizzle hit a three with 2 seconds left in the half to send Sewanee into the half up 28-27.  So far it's been a bit of a shootout...Sewanee hitting 6 threes, AC hitting 4-of-6 from deep...Sturtevant leads all scorers with 11 points (3-3 on treys) and Grizzle has 10 for Sewanee...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 03:55:32 PM
33-30 Sewanee leads with 17:11 left...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 04:03:10 PM
40-35 Sewanee leads...12:29 left...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 04:17:07 PM
50-49 Sewanee leads, with the ball...4:13 left...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 04:22:01 PM
1:22 left here in Sherman, AC leads 54-53...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 04:24:44 PM
Still 54-53, 25 seconds left, Sewanee with the ball down one...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 03, 2008, 04:29:12 PM
Final from Sherman: AC 54, Sewanee 53
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 03, 2008, 04:45:19 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on February 03, 2008, 02:06:33 PM
DPULefty, i'm not really seeing the point to throwing up statistics for 2 other players.  But that goes back to a very long debate over how much stats should be taken into account.  I just see Britt playing a huge part in a so-far SCAC undefeated Centre season.  And as far as the other 2 players, Moore is a good player, he is tough.  He also shoots his team out of games and tries too much sometimes.  I would definitely give Britt the nod over Moore.  The other player is obviously Montgomerry, who also deserves POY consideration.  But with 2 SCAC losses on the board, it's hard not to give Britt the nod (whom i believe hit the game winner in that one).  This will be an interesting vote this year.  maybe the hardest

Obviously, the season is not over so it's not clear in my mind yet who should get the POTY, but I'm leaning towards Thomas Britt at the moment with Edrick Montgomery slightly behind.  The stats clearly put Montgomery in first,  but in terms of what Britt has done for his team in the clutch and the fact that he wants the ball when the game is on the line & makes the plays have him as my leader. 

Enjoyed my first visit to San Antonio & Georgetown; obviously it was made sweet by the fact the Colonels came away from both venues victorious.  Hope can I make this trip again sometime.  Good to meet up briefly with Dave84 at Southwestern.  We caught up for a brief halftime visit last night at the game.

Curious if we have a Sewanee fan in Irion?  If so, it's always good to have another fresh perspective on the SWAC board.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 03, 2008, 04:47:19 PM
Good win for Austin, Jekelish!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on February 03, 2008, 04:56:45 PM
jekelish

Thanks for the updates.  Good win for Ac

pbrooks

Yes I'm a sewanee fan - current perspective is on the outside looking in as far as the tournament, however, things could change in the last 3 weeks for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 03, 2008, 06:10:58 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on February 03, 2008, 02:06:33 PM
DPULefty, i'm not really seeing the point to throwing up statistics for 2 other players.  But that goes back to a very long debate over how much stats should be taken into account.  I just see Britt playing a huge part in a so-far SCAC undefeated Centre season.  And as far as the other 2 players, Moore is a good player, he is tough.  He also shoots his team out of games and tries too much sometimes.  I would definitely give Britt the nod over Moore.  The other player is obviously Montgomerry, who also deserves POY consideration.  But with 2 SCAC losses on the board, it's hard not to give Britt the nod (whom i believe hit the game winner in that one).  This will be an interesting vote this year.  maybe the hardest

I've never seen 'tries too much' listed as a negative for a player. That's a new one on me.

Look, obviously I've seen Mike Moore play more than anyone in the conference. No sense in pretending otherwise. Might as well get that out of the way.

Does Mike take an ill-advised three here and there? Sure. Show me a player who doesn't.

Has Mike 'shot his team out of games'? That's ridiculous. He had an off-night in the OU loss, but the team's 9-for-31 effort from beyond the arc suggests he was hardly the only offender. And if anything, his passing ability - remember, we're talking about a guy who ranks in the TOP TEN IN THE NATION in assists - has helped keep his team in games on nights where his shot hasn't been there.

Look at last night against Trinity. Mike only had 11 points. Was 4-for-11 from the field. But he handed out 9 assists, and DPU wins a huge road game against a good team in a place where it's tough to go win.

Apparently you think Moore's a one-dimensional player. If that's the case I'm not sure who you're confusing him with. He can get trigger happy time and again, but he's also one of the best distributors in the country. He's averaging 19 points a game in conference play. And I can tell you he's not a defensive liability despite his size - no, he's not as good on the ball as a Britt or a Nestheide, but he makes plays on both ends.

Look, sorry I dared to make a simple comparison. But I've seen every player in this conference this season. And Mike Moore is the best I've seen. Again, I'm not trying to slight anybody, though that didn't seem to be an issue for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 03, 2008, 06:20:12 PM
 :)Majors survive BSC upset bid in overtime, 75-69.  Millsaps overcame a 14-point, second half deficit and Lorenzo Bailey hit three big 3s at the end of the game.  Montgomery pours in third 30-point game with 30 and 13 boards.  Panthers had four scorers in double figures with Roger Williams and Daniel Hudson scoring 13 apiece.  Check out the complete box score here... Great effort by BSC, they have a GREAT team and are going to be tough to play from here on out.  They are also very, very young with 13 freshmen and three sophomores. 

Check out the complete box score here: http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-020308.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 03, 2008, 07:33:52 PM
Centre's win down at Birmingham Southern is beginning looking pretty impressive, given the way this young Birmingham Southern team is playing now.  They represent a legitimate challenge every single game regardless of venue.  They have a chance at knocking Centre from the ranks of unbeaten at Danville this Friday.  The Colonels will not  be able to take this team lightly, especially given the outcome of the game earlier in Birmingham.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 03, 2008, 08:09:49 PM
Something that's kind of fun to do which I began doing 3 weeks ago is submitting a Top 25 Poll on the Poster's Poll (Multi-Regional Topics).  Some of you may already be familiar with this.  I usually work up my poll Sunday night and send it to  the moniker "Mr Ypsi" via personal message.  He is looking for more bloggers to participate and I think he'll accept poll submissions weekly until sometime on Monday before the actual weekly Top 25 is released.  Mr. Ypsi then tabulates and displays his blogger Top 25 late Mondays where you can a good feel for how the bloggers match up with the real pollsters. 



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 03, 2008, 10:26:31 PM
Hendrix shot a paltry 2-21 from the 3 point line in a disappointing home loss to Rhodes on Sunday.  Here's hoping this young team will get back on track next weekend when Austin & Colorado come to town.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2008, 12:53:53 AM
Posters poll, not bloggers poll. This is a message board. Our blog is the Daily Dose.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: hendrixfan on February 03, 2008, 10:26:31 PM
Hendrix shot a paltry 2-21 from the 3 point line in a disappointing home loss to Rhodes on Sunday.  Here's hoping this young team will get back on track next weekend when Austin & Colorado come to town.

Noticed that this was not a good day for the 3-pointers and that Cal Rose didn't have his usual solid offensive performance from behind the arc.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 04, 2008, 11:48:53 AM
Millsaps is another team that shot poorly on Sunday, hitting 27 of 76 shots and 7 of 24 3-point attempts, numbers that were helped by some hot shooting at the end of the game.  BSC certainly played hard and that was a factor, but I think Millsaps wasn't dissatisfied with the shots they got.  It just seemed like there was a lid on the basket as shot after shot spun around the rim and came out.

For the weekend, Edrick Montgomery continued his hot play with an average of 30.5 points and 14 rebounds per game.  Rodney Rogan went over the 500 rebound mark for his career in the Friday night game as this talented group of seniors continues to write their names in the Millsaps and SCAC record books.

For Millsaps, the two tough losses by Trinity definitely helped since it gives Millsaps a two game cushion.  That makes it easier to get the #1 seed in the West, but it would really help Millsaps if they could win out for the rest of the regular season.  They can and they might, but there are plenty of tough games ahead.  I'm smart enough to know that no team is a lock for the SCAC AQ and Millsaps needs to keep focused on doing what it takes to get an at-large bid if they don't win the SCAC Tournament.

And a word about BSC to close the post.  I was impressed with the players, but I was especially impressed with their execution of plays.  They seem to be a very well coached team.  On a better shooting day, I think Millsaps wins by 20, but Millsaps is a really strong team when they are having a decent shooting day.  From what I saw Sunday and from their results over the course of the season, it seems fairly obvious that BSC will be a tough team to deal with in future years.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 04, 2008, 11:58:23 AM
i don't know if u met dave at SU also, but I enjoyed chattin with during half time as well Pbrooks3.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 04, 2008, 01:43:43 PM
sorry pbrooks, didn't get to make it to SU this weekend.  must have been someone else.  but i'm definitely on your side with the Britt argument, thus far.  Obviously some will lean more towards certain players than others and that's totally fine.  I'm not saying Moore is a bad player, he'll definitely be on 1st All-SCAC at this rate and i'm also not saying he's a one-dimensional player.  He can score AND he can pass; what's so one-dimensional about that? I've seen him play plenty in his career and agree that he is a terrific player.  His decision making comes into question more often than other players'.  3.5 TO's per game is not a good statistic.  yes, 9 apg is astounding, i know.  but for conference play, he's still averaging close to that 3.5 TO's, yet his apg is 4.7 along with Nestheide.  That's still a good apg statistic, but with 6 TO's in the loss to centre, i would have to give Britt the nod if the season ended today.  i'm not attacking Moore, i'm just stating a case for Britt and explaining why he deserves the POY more than Mike Moore.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: d3allstar on February 04, 2008, 11:58:23 AM
i don't know if u met dave at SU also, but I enjoyed chattin with during half time as well Pbrooks3.

I said I was old and I make lots of errors.  I should have said I met up with d3allstar at Southwestern not dave84.  Thanks guys for setting the record straight. 

Any predictions on where Centre falls in the Top 25 this week?


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 02:06:18 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on February 04, 2008, 01:43:43 PM
sorry pbrooks, didn't get to make it to SU this weekend.  must have been someone else.  but i'm definitely on your side with the Britt argument, thus far.  Obviously some will lean more towards certain players than others and that's totally fine.  I'm not saying Moore is a bad player, he'll definitely be on 1st All-SCAC at this rate and i'm also not saying he's a one-dimensional player.  He can score AND he can pass; what's so one-dimensional about that? I've seen him play plenty in his career and agree that he is a terrific player.  His decision making comes into question more often than other players'.  3.5 TO's per game is not a good statistic.  yes, 9 apg is astounding, i know.  but for conference play, he's still averaging close to that 3.5 TO's, yet his apg is 4.7 along with Nestheide.  That's still a good apg statistic, but with 6 TO's in the loss to centre, i would have to give Britt the nod if the season ended today.  i'm not attacking Moore, i'm just stating a case for Britt and explaining why he deserves the POY more than Mike Moore.

I too think Moore is a terrific player and he yet may be the POTY.  I would not say he tries to do too much; rather I think he occasionally shows a lapse of judgement that probably accounts for some of his turnovers.  The past 5-6 games he has obviously been playing at a high level (and the team has as well), and if he continues this trend I see him seriously making a run at Player of the Year
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 04, 2008, 02:07:22 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on February 04, 2008, 01:43:43 PM
3.5 TO's per game is not a good statistic.  yes, 9 apg is astounding, i know.  but for conference play, he's still averaging close to that 3.5 TO's, yet his apg is 4.7 along with Nestheide.  That's still a good apg statistic, but with 6 TO's in the loss to centre, i would have to give Britt the nod if the season ended today. 

That doesn't make any sense. 

Moore's APG is great (better than the guy you compared him to), and his A/T ratio (which I think you also identified as APG) is still very good (and better than the guy you compared him to), and he also scores more than the guy you compared him to, but he had one game where he turned it over against the best team in the conference, so I give it to the other guy.  What?

If you want to give it to the best player on the best team, then just say so.  There isn't a darned thing wrong with that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 02:20:53 PM
Wes, curious as to your take on the Trinity team and game on Saturday.  Appears the Old Gold are peaking at the right time and Mr. Moore is playing super b-ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
Rhodes had a nice finish yesterday at Hendrix.  This team may struggle to get in the tournament, but at the very least they can influence the tournament brackets by how they play against their remaining opponents. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 04, 2008, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 02:20:53 PM
Wes, curious as to your take on the Trinity team and game on Saturday.  Appears the Old Gold are peaking at the right time and Mr. Moore is playing super b-ball.

Trinity's still a good basketball team.  Especially at home.  Especially when you play them on the night after you were in a grinder in Georgetown.

I think that's a great win for DePauw.  They've suddenly won six in a row.  I'm going to be really interested to get a look at Birmingham on Sunday.  If they keep playing well, that's a big momentum boost before the big showdown with Centre in a couple of weeks. 

Realistically, it's unlikely they'll catch Centre in the conference standings to get 1 seed in the East, but if they keep winning, suddenly Pool C is back in the conversation again.  IF (big if) they finish 5-0 the rest of the way, that gets them to 21-4 headed into the conference tournament.  If they don't lose in the first round, that's at least 22-5, which I think should garner them some attention.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 04, 2008, 03:32:04 PM
DePauw will be a strong favorite in 3 of their last 5 (the home games with Rhodes and BSC, and the road game at Sewanee) and closer to 50-50 in the home game with Centre and the road game at OU. 

Oglethorpe is currently tied with DePauw at 8-2.  They have a home game with Sewanee and road games to BSC and Rhodes prior to the big homestand with Centre and DePauw to end the season.  It is starting to look like the loser of the DePauw-OU game on the 24th will get Trinity (or Millsaps) in the first round of the tournament, while the winner of the DePauw-OU game will get either Hendrix, Southwestern, or Austin.

Naturally all of that could change.  What might be the most interesting would be if Centre loses at DePauw and OU wins over Sewanee and Rhodes, then it would give OU a shot at 1st in the East going into the last weekend.  I have a feeling it will be a pretty wild crowd at the OU games on that last weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 04, 2008, 04:26:45 PM
actually Wes, the apg i was referring to (4.7) is his assists per game for the 10 conference games played as of this weekend.  nothing to do with assist/turnover.  yes, that is a nice statistic as well.  i was making a point as to saying 3.5 turnovers a game is a major indicator as to the type of basketball Moore plays.  nothing wrong with that.  but in a game where two very good teams are playing each other, i'm going to take a guy that can be more reliable with the basketball, which is why i made the depauw-centre game reference.  obviously i've hit a touchy spot with the depauw fans, when all i am doing is stating that i feel Britt is a better candidate (as of February 4, 2008) for POY than Moore.  Heck, i'm a trinity fan, i could really care less if either of them wins it. 

also, 22-5 i believe would get depauw an at-large.  the first Regional Rankings should be coming out from the NCAA pretty soon if i'm not mistaken?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2008, 04:29:28 PM
A week from Wednesday.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 04, 2008, 04:33:07 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on February 04, 2008, 04:26:45 PM
actually Wes, the apg i was referring to (4.7) is his assists per game for the 10 conference games played as of this weekend.  nothing to do with assist/turnover.  yes, that is a nice statistic as well.  i was making a point as to saying 3.5 turnovers a game is a major indicator as to the type of basketball Moore plays.  nothing wrong with that.  but in a game where two very good teams are playing each other, i'm going to take a guy that can be more reliable with the basketball, which is why i made the depauw-centre game reference.  obviously i've hit a touchy spot with the depauw fans, when all i am doing is stating that i feel Britt is a better candidate (as of February 4, 2008) for POY than Moore.  Heck, i'm a trinity fan, i could really care less if either of them wins it. 

You haven't hit a soft spot with me, but it seems silly to point to all of those numbers as the reason that Britt deserves it over Moore when Moore's numbers are better in each of them.

EDIT: Obviously, assists are inherently good.  Duh.  They directly result in points (2 or 3) for your team.  You get 10 assists, your team gets at least 20 points.  Now, turnovers may or may not be bad by the same margin.  Maybe the other team scores, maybe they don't.  You certainly don't.  Regardless, while that may be the case, that's the reason they created assist/turnover ratio in the first place. 

You can't knock a guy for doing wrong by his team for turning it over when he provides more than enough good to compensate with assists.  His A/T ratio is still better than Britt's, which means he directly provides more points for his team than Britt does both passing AND scoring (Moore scores more), so I fail see where Britt becomes the more valuable player UNLESS you're making an argument that he's the best player on the best team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 04, 2008, 05:20:48 PM
Wes is doing a nice job backing me up, but I did want to chime in and add that I've felt that the Britt arguments don't really seem to go beyond 'best player on best team' and 'hit a buzzer beater to send the Millsaps game to OT.' That's why I've been on the offensive with my arguments for Moore.

I mean, how many games could he possibly be shooting DPU out of? They're 16 and 4. If they were 12-8 or 13-7 and a mid-pack team in the SCAC, then there might be an argument for that. But this is a good team, one of the two best in the SCAC (their win over MC is a convincing enough argument for me to put them above the Majors for the time being), and Moore has been the catalyst.

I think the Tigers have to run the table to give themselves the best chance to be a Pool C. If they don't, they'll end up a three seed in the East and have to go through Centre (in all likelihood) to get to Championship Sunday, which they'd probably need to get to to have any chance at a bid.

Of course, they could just win the conference and make the Pool C thing a moot point. I know which scenario I like better. But I think a big help in that direction would be a win over the Petrels in Atlanta in three weeks to get that two seed in the East.

Not that I want to sound like I'm counting the proverbial chickens... I'm just throwing scenarios out there.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 04, 2008, 05:54:22 PM
wes,  i think that is where everyone gets caught up in statistics.  when two players have comparable statistics, it truly comes down to intangibles.  10 assits gets you 20+ points...correct.  Turnovers completely change momentum and the game in itself.  I would much rather have a player who is more reliable with the basketball and Britt has always appeared to be better in this category.  Besides, we all know that style of play comes into account when dealing with statistics.  Depauw has always definitely been a more uptempo team (mostly due to the excellence of Moore) than Centre has; two different coaching styles.  Who is the back up for Moore? I've seen him play a couple of times and know that he was hurt last year, but he's going to be a very good player.  He reminds me of a better Brandon Daniels, for those of you who remember Southwestern's "spark" off the bench a few years back.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 04, 2008, 06:50:26 PM
So that's it?  Moore does more bad things than Britt, so Moore automatically loses.  Forget the good stuff, it's less bad stuff.  Forget the fact that Moore does more good stuff in nearly every category, his greater badness (which in proportion is not nearly as bad as his good is good) is the dealbreaker.

Look, I'm not saying Moore's the guy to pick for the POTY.  It's still early.  And Montgomery is still a beast.  But if you're making a case, at least look at the full statistics for a guy before you throw him under the bus for turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 06:54:33 PM
You know if we go purely on the basis of stats, Mike Moore probably wins hands down with Montgomery 2nd and Britt 3rd.  There is something to Dave84's point about intangibles.  While the intangible factor may not be terribly significant in and of itself, it should be given some measure in the overall evaluation.  I have not seen Montgomery play this year, and I have only seen Moore once.  I have the advantage (and bias I might add) of having watched Britt play 7 times.  Where Britt shines in my opinion is his leadership skills both on and off the court with his teammates.  He's also extremely efficient on the court.  Look at his stat line and his numbers reflect the efficiency.  He plays less time than either Moore or Montgomery.  He makes plays on both ends of the court.  While he's not the primary ballhandler like Moore, Britt generally is regarded as one of the best defensive players in the league for his size and position.  He rarely takes bad shots - he shoots 52.5% from the field (50% on 3's) and is nearly 90% from the line.  Granted Moore touches (and distributes) the ball more than the other 2 so I will acknowledge that he should have a few more turnovers.  I don't really have a knock on Mike Moore.  He may very well indeed be more valuable to his team than any other player in the league.  I just want to see how these last 5 games play out before I decide who would be my POTY in the SCAC.  Hopefully those who select Player of the Year will have seen a wider body of work from the different teams and players than I have and will be more objective.  But I have to admit Thomas Britt is having one tremendous senior year to this point in the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 04, 2008, 08:08:57 PM
Wow! Week 10 Top 25 Poll released just now... Centre up six spots from #11 to #5.  Millsaps (17-3, 8-2 SCAC West) and DePauw (16-4, 8-2 SCAC East) close behind in the receiving votes column.  I'm so ready for the conference tournament Feb. 29-March 2 and glad I actually get to go this year! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 04, 2008, 08:14:33 PM
That is a terrific analysis pbrooks.  it's nice to know that ONE person agrees that something other than statistics can make a player exceptional.  you talk about all of the qualities that Britt brings on the court, he really reminds me of a more scoring-oriented Chad Stroberg.  The kind of player that will put his body on the line, and put everything on the court.  Doesn't have too many poor performances because he plays within his means at all times.  He is definitely the most consistent player for a winning program this year.  King has been consistently amazing as well, but it's a shame that his supporting cast can't help him get some more wins.  He definitely deserves it with the career he's had thus far.

the tourney is in Conway this year right?  Is this because the spring sports festival is there, or are we actually going to start having some sort of rotation schedule for sites? (i can guarantee no one wants to spend the money to get down to texas for the SCAC tourney)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 08:29:49 PM
The pollsters definitely rewarded Centre and DePauw on the board for their successful road work in Texas this past weekend. It's good seeing this movement. This, in my mind, is establishing additional cred for the SCAC.

If I'm not mistaken the Conway location is a 2-year commitment. I honestly think Memphis represented the closest thing to a central site for the tournament. Nothing against Hendrix - their new gym is very nice and the lighting is exceptional for both the players and spectators. I hope there will be a good turnout.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 04, 2008, 09:02:00 PM
I'm going to try my hardest to make it out there this year.  Can't promise anything, but you gotta love SCAC tourney time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 04, 2008, 09:52:31 PM
just fyi, Southwestern will be providing live video feeds of all the games both men and women at the SCAC tourney...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 04, 2008, 09:55:06 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 08:29:49 PM
If I'm not mistaken the Conway location is a 2-year commitment. I honestly think Memphis represented the closest thing to a central site for the tournament. Nothing against Hendrix - their new gym is very nice and the lighting is exceptional for both the players and spectators. I hope there will be a good turnout.

Is this the start of the rotating site deal that was proposed about 3 years ago?  It's original intent was to alternate hosting it between a southern site, a central site, and a northern site.  However, that was before the addition of Colorado, Austin, Birmingham, and the loss of RHIT. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 09:57:37 PM
Thanks for the reminder about this, d3allstar.  Its wonderful that Southwestern has agreed to do this and keep SCAC hoop fans everywhere plugged in.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 04, 2008, 09:58:42 PM
I just want to say that Moore, Britt, and Montgomery are all deserving of the POY award.. picking one over the other is almost a shame.. having played against all 3.. i feel like Montgomery effects the game a little more than the other two.. only because of his defense and ability to change so many shots underneath the basket.. moore has been great this year.. he puts up numbers like steve nash.. i dont think u can knock him for turning the ball over when he gets so many assists and handles the ball so much.. nobody critcizes nash for turning the ball over 3-4 times a game.. and i know NBA is different than D3.. but i do think u can draw a little comparison there.. but to be honest.. im baseing my opinion on what i think the coaches will decide.. Britt is probably the front runner.. being on the best team helps.. his stats are pretty good and he's very efficient..(numbers almost identical to mine last year.. but we obviously were not the best team.. haha) plus the three he hit against millsaps gives him that defining moment that POY's are remembered for.. it may come down to who wins the rematch when centre visits depauw.. at least i think they play again.. like i said.. all 3 are very deserving of the award and I'll feel bad for whoever doesnt win the award.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 04, 2008, 10:03:55 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on February 04, 2008, 08:14:33 PM
The kind of player that will put his body on the line, and put everything on the court.  Doesn't have too many poor performances because he plays within his means at all times.  

One final comment and I'll leave this alone.  If that's all it takes to win POTY, then Todd Humerickhouse should have won it all four years he was at DePauw with his 2.3 points and 5.0 rebounds because he was scrappy.  He dove around on the ground and hustled.  Blue collar guy with elbow pads and knee pads.  Fits your definition of what makes a player a POTY candidate, doesn't it?  No poor perfomances.  Shot the ball well.  Good rebounder.  By the book fundamentals.  Gives you the same thing every night...etc etc.  What's the difference?  The actual stats, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2008, 10:43:12 PM
spfan22, given that you played all of these guys last year, what's your take on this year's Centre team compared to the one you played your senior year?  It's uncanny that yours and Britt's stats are so similar. This sort of leans toward Wes' theory on stats and stats tied to a highly successful team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 05, 2008, 12:01:40 AM
pbrooks3.. I think Centre is very comparable to last year's squad.. obviously they miss that dominant defensive presence that they had last year with Patterson.. but they are a year older and they have legitimate scorers and it seems like a different player steps up every night.. whether its Britt, Nestheide, Thomason, or Knoll.. Centre has always been a great defensive team.. to me trinity and centre play the best team defense.. I think Centre can do some damage, but as seen against Millsaps if they run into a good post player they could be in a little trouble.. but for some reason.. over the last few years they always seem to pull out close games and thats the staple of a great team.. they have great coaching and experience that gives them a chance in any game against any opponent.. I think they have a great chance to repeat what they did last year.. possibly even a little better even if they don't win the SCAC tourney..

On the POY award.. in my opinion based on how POY has been voted on in recent years.. the winner of the award might not have the best stats.. but a player that plays on a serious title contender.. on a team that finishes towards the top 3 or 4 of the conference.. stats play a role.. but that obviously is not the only factor.. team success, intangibles, leadership and other little things are taken into consideration.. these coaches are smart.. for the most part i trust their judgement when it comes to the voting.

and yes.. isnt it scary how similar those stats are between Britt and I.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 05, 2008, 12:44:39 AM
I'm not trying to come off as some kind of know-it-all jerk here, but it's got be a sum of a lot of things.  It can't just be the numbers.  And it can't just be the "feel" stuff (like "I like him because he's clutch" or "he doesn't turn it over" or "he's grittty and scrappy" or "he plays the game the right way").  Those things alone and a dollar won't get you much more than a Sunday paper.

The coaches aren't likely to collectively pick a guy like Andrew King from Hendrix, who while having a great year (half a point per game away from leading in scoring and rebounding), is doing so on a team out of contention.  They may not even give it to Montgomery, who can be as dominant as it gets but, as Frank says, he's got an on/off switch that occassionally flips one way or the other depending on when you catch him.  They may not give it to Mike Moore because he does turn it over a lot despite his exceptional numbers.  They may not give it to Britt because, frankly, his numbers just aren't like the three 3 I've mentioned above. 

Each coach (and fan, as we've come to find) has their own theory on what qualifies a player to be the POTY, and that's why the voting hasn't been unanimous in over five years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 05, 2008, 10:53:41 AM
Just a point to make about Edrick Montgomery and his numbers for the season.  It needs to be pointed out that when Edrick's numbers were down in the first half of the season, some of that was because of the outstanding play by Rodney Rogan prior to his injury in the Trinity game.  Edrick's numbers have gone up considerably when they were needed, with Rogan out of the lineup and now with Rogan playing and working his way back to his early season form. 

We get back to the point about those who have outstanding teammates often see their stats go down because the points and rebounds are being shared by many.  Maybe the one thing all of this POTY talk points out is just how difficult it is to determine who should be the POTY.  We should probably all keep that in mind when the POTY is actually announced since we have clearly demonstrated that the coaches can make no choice that will bring universal agreement.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 05, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
Amen to Frank's comments.  The coaches ain't going to make everyone happy!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 05, 2008, 02:23:29 PM
Wes, I agree with your comments.. a guy like Andrew king who is a good player with good stats will not win.. coaches will not collectively vote for a player whose team is simply average..

Frank and Pbrooks3, I also agree that the coaches will not make everyone happy.. there will always be those 2 or 3 other candidates each year that couild have very easily won the award.. but just dont get the votes for one reason or another.. there are still a few weekends left on the schedule where these players could get stronger or possibly falter.. we'll see what happens.. im guessing the voting will be extremely close between Moore, Britt, and Montgomery.. heck ya never know.. caoches have alot of respect for Nestheide's game..  his numbers arent as good as a year ago but thats because he demands so much more attention.. and maybe thats why Britt has had such a great season..i would never count him out of the running either

Im not gonna lie.. how bout OU.. i was very confident that they might win 13 or 14 again.. but i defintely didnt see a 8-2 conference start.. I hope they continue to get better.. confidence for a young group like that has been a key to some of their success.. the positive attitude of the players has been a key in an improved year as well.. keep it up guys
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 05, 2008, 06:58:14 PM
haha, dead on the money wes.  britt's consistency = Humerickhouse's consistency, exactly what i was going for, haha.


in this league I have always felt that when voting for the POY coaches have really looked at a number of things.  1) obviously team success, whether or not they have helped put their team in contention, 2) obviously statistics, and 3) how that particular player faired against their own team.  This is where consistency comes into play.  and not the consistency you're thinking wes (2 ppg, 5 rbg).  the consistant 15+ points ppg and solid defense that is always going to keep his team in the position to win a basketball game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 05, 2008, 07:01:22 PM
also, coaches really do look at whether or not they even like the player themselves as sportsman.  luckily, there are no players in contention this year that I would say are "hated" by most coaches (bad attitude, unsportsman like) but I do feel that coaches have taken this into account when voting in the past.  i'm sure everyone will argue that it shouldn't matter, but I feel it does.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 05, 2008, 07:07:01 PM
Spfan22, agree this one is too close to call. Nestheide probably isn't seriously in the running, but he, too, is valuable to his team similar to Mike Moore and DePauw. You're right on in your comments about the attention he commands from other teams. His numbers don't stick out like Moore's.

Andrew King has been a consistent performer, but I would give Montgomery the nod as far as the post play goes.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 05, 2008, 07:18:47 PM
haha.. dave84 its funny that you say that about whether or not the coaches like the player or not.. that is actually so true.. I thought that was always the case with Dickinson from OU.. great player especially his sophomore and junior year.. but coaches hated or should i say disliked him.. they either thought he was dirty or that he flopped alot.. or sometimes even both.. and he probably never quite got what he deserved as a player because of his antics on the court.. and im sure there are other players who have been disliked by other coaches.. just noting Dickinson as a case since I actually saw and heard sometimes during the games what other coaches would say about him..

and Pbrooks i would probably agree that Nestheide is out of the running.. but with a strong finish to the year ya never know.. and I'm definitely giving the nod to Montgomery over King as far as post players are concerned.. i dont think King has much of a shot at POY
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 05, 2008, 07:34:35 PM
i wasn't going to name anyone, but yea, he definitely was discriminated because of his style of play.  i never really thought he had a terrible attitude, but he definitely was involved in some sketchy plays, etc.  I believe this cost him a lot of recognition, coaches didn't like him as a sportsman.

and hats off to nestheide, he has taken a role on this team that is essential.  if you notice, he's averaging just as many assists per game in conference as Moore....that's impressive!  He is simply a gamer who knows basketball.  i've always had a great deal of respect for this guy, even playing against him.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 06, 2008, 02:05:31 PM
Edrick Montgomery made the D3hoops Team of the Week for the second straight week.  Here's the blurb on Edrick's performance:

"Montgomery continued his dominance on the court at home this weekend, averaging 30.5 points, 14 rebounds, and 2.5 blocks in a sweep of Rhodes and Birmingham-Southern. He knocked down a career-high 11-of-12 attempts from the free throw line en route to 31 points and 15 boards in the 93-72 win over Rhodes, and hit 6-of-7 from the stripe en route to 30 points and 13 boards in an overtime win against the Panthers."

Link:  http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/index.html
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 06, 2008, 04:26:57 PM
I could see this helping Montgomery in becoming recognized on a national stage.  Hopefully he can impress enough to be named to some all-american, all-region teams.  what do ya think Pat?  Think the SCAC having a chance of finally getting another player on the D3 hoops all-american teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2008, 06:28:09 PM
I never speculate in public about who our All-Americans might be, and certainly not with four weeks of the regular season remaining.

It's only been two years without an SCAC All-American. You make it sound like some long drought. Eighteen other conferences didn't have one the past two years either.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 06, 2008, 09:44:31 PM
which SCAC player made was selected as an All-American two years ago?  the most recent that I can think of is Bryan Egli in '98-99 or '97-98, i'm not sure which one, he was a very good player i hear.  Are you referring to Colorado College's Michael Reich?  In the SCAC defense, he played Pre-SCAC days for CC.  I could be missing someone though. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2008, 09:56:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2008, 06:28:09 PM
...

It's only been two years without an SCAC All-American. You make it sound like some long drought. Eighteen other conferences didn't have one the past two years either.
Two years without...'07 and '06.

Oglethorpe's Russ Churchwell was selected in 2005 (http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/menallam05.htm).   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 06, 2008, 10:00:59 PM
oh that's right!!! thanks, forgot about the honorable mention teams.  haha, since there are only 5 players on it, it might as well be called 5th team, haha.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2008, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on February 06, 2008, 10:00:59 PM
oh that's right!!! thanks, forgot about the honorable mention teams.  haha, since there are only 5 players on it, it might as well be called 5th team, haha.
One thing about the all-American teams on "D3sports". They are finite and recognizable as teams...No having 4 posts, 3 wings, a shooting guard and a point guard on the first team!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2008, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Dave84 on February 06, 2008, 09:44:31 PM
which SCAC player made was selected as an All-American two years ago?  the most recent that I can think of is Bryan Egli in '98-99 or '97-98, i'm not sure which one, he was a very good player i hear.  Are you referring to Colorado College's Michael Reich?  In the SCAC defense, he played Pre-SCAC days for CC.  I could be missing someone though. 

Looking at our All-American page before you complain about it could help.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 06, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
Oglethorpe defeated a shorthanded Piedmont team tonight  77-60.  OU held not only the 9th highest scoring team in the nation below its scoring average (25 pts. below) but also the nations leading scorer Jake Baldwin to a human like 21 points.

OU was led by 2 freshman as Alex Richey scored a season high 17 points and 8 rebounds as he was on fire from 3.   Todd Ward just missed another double double as he finished with 14 points 9 rebounds and 5 assists.

6 straight wins for the Petrels   (8 of 9) as they improve to 14-6, matching last years win total with a favorable schedule ahead until Depauw and Centre come calling to end the regular season.

Shaheed is also only 28 points away from 1,000
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 06, 2008, 10:33:48 PM
WOW, where did Oglethorpe come from this year?  I think we might be overlooking them come tourney time!!!

wasn't trying to complain Pat, just cheering on Montgomery!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 07, 2008, 07:42:05 AM
I don't think anyone has been overlooking OU for quite some time now.  You have to give them at least a 50-50 chance of being the 2nd seed in the East and the play of OU has made the 1st and 2nd place in the West a critical difference when it comes to the SCAC Tournament.  The 2nd in the West will have to open up with either OU or DePauw (I don't think Centre can drop to third) and that will make for 3 very tough games in a row in order to win the championship.  The #1 in the West will open up with Rhodes or Sewanee.

While playing Rhodes or Sewanee is not a guaranteed win, I think we would all agree that Millsaps and Trinity would prefer one of those teams in the opening round rather than OU or DePauw.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on February 07, 2008, 12:15:54 PM
I had the pleasure of watching OU extend its win streak to 6 games last night vs PIedmont, and I was impressed with what I saw from OU. It was not the best night for some of their starters but the OU bench has really come along this season. I'll be the first to admit that I didn't give these guys much chance this season, especially with 4 new starters...but they've formed into an all around good team. The addition of Ward at the semester has truly given them another presence on the boards, which takes some pressure and reliance off of Shaheed in the rebounding department. This is not even close to the most talented OU team I've seen, but they have have a lot of role players who really compliment each other well and things are just going their way right now. I hope they can keep this up.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 07, 2008, 01:57:25 PM
Congrats to Millsaps' Chad Songy, SU's Mike Powell and TU's Mike Gilb who were all named to the CoSIDA/ESPN The Magazine Academic All-District VI Second Team!

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/020708release.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigermom on February 07, 2008, 08:48:34 PM
First time poster here but I can't resist.  Add Brian Oilar from DPU to that honored list.

DePauw senior Brian Oilar has been named to the ESPN The Magazine Academic All-District 5 College Division Second Team in voting by members of the College Sports Information Directors of America (CoSIDA).

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/mbasket/index.asp?id=20903
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 08, 2008, 12:23:02 AM
Sorry Tigermom, I didn't think to check a Division other than VI.  Congrats to Oilar as well, he's having a heck of a year on the court and obviously in the classroom over his four-year career.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 08:34:35 AM
Ditto on the awards to these student-athletes. This speaks volumes about the kinds of kids and schools we have in the SCAC.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on February 08, 2008, 09:20:33 AM
Does anybody have any predictions on SCAC games this weekend? In my opinion there really aren't a lot of intriguing match-ups, but then again it is conference play and the Western division still needs to decide its 2-4 seeds, as I see Millsaps taking the West. The 2-5 spots in the west are jammed pack and I guess a SW victory over TU and an Austin victory over Hendrix could jam up the west even more.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 08, 2008, 12:34:42 PM
Feb. 8 
   8:00 PM  Austin   Hendrix     
   8:00 PM  Birmingham Southern   Centre     
   8:00 PM  Rhodes   DePauw     
   9:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)   Southwestern (Tex.)     
   9:00 PM  Colorado Col.   Millsaps     
Feb. 9 
   6:00 PM  Dallas   Trinity (Tex.)     
   8:00 PM  Sewanee   Oglethorpe     
Feb. 10 
   3:00 PM  Birmingham Southern   DePauw     
   3:00 PM  Colorado Col.   Hendrix   
   3:00 PM  Rhodes   Centre     
   4:00 PM  Austin   Millsaps     
   6:00 PM  Dallas   Southwestern (Tex.) 

I was also thinking about the lack of comments/predictions on this week's games.  My guess is that most people favor Millsaps to sweep at home and Centre and DePauw to sweep on the road.  Likewise, most would pick OU at home over Sewanee.

After that it does get interesting.  Southwestern has a great opportunity with their home game against Trinity.  Trinty is 6-4 with the 4 losses coming to the top 4 teams in the SCAC (based on their conference records).  Southwestern is 4-6, having lost to the same 4 teams plus Trinity and Hendrix.  Trinity won that first game by 16, but I expect this game will be very close. 

With a win tonight, Austin jumps into a tie with Hendrix at 4-7.  It is close to a must win for Austin if they want to get to the SCAC Tournament.  As for Colorado, they have played some close games without getting a win.  Is this the weekend that they break into the win column?  They played Millsaps a close game earlier this year and went into OT with Hendrix.  I wouldn't completely discount their chances of winning one this weekend.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 01:50:22 PM
It does kind of appear to be a quiet weekend, but it wouldn't surprise me to see an upset or two at this juncture.  I am doubting that this weekend's the one where Colorado College breaks into the win column.  Though I think they have achance in their games against Austin & Southwestern in the weeks ahead, and a remote win possibility on Sunday at Hendrix where the Warriors are struggling a bit. 

I am expecting Trinity to bounce back and win a close one tonight at Southwestern (maybe by 4).  I like Hendrix to win by 6 over Austin tonight, and Millsaps to roar by Colorado College to the tune of 24.  In eastern division games, I like DePauw to win in a competitive game over Rhodes by 8.  I look for a very close game at Centre between the Colonels and Birmingham Southern.  The BS team is well coached and has some good perimeter players that match up well with Centre.  I am giving the edge to Centre by 4 because of the home court and I think they are due for a better shooting game tonight.  Just a hunch.  Won't predict yet on Sunday's games but Saturday night I am selecting Trinity to beat University of Dallas by 12, and Oglethorpe thumps Sewanee by 18.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave84 on February 08, 2008, 02:35:34 PM
I'm expecting a huge bounce back by Trinity with a solid victory over Southwestern! I'm sure Cunningham has been getting into his guys and has them mentally focused for this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 09:55:19 PM
Dave84, looks like a typical defensive tussle up at Georgetown tonight with TU leading 26-23 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 09:57:02 PM
Just  got the final score posted from Danville - Centre 63 Birmingham Southern 46.  Colonels stretch the winning streak to 19.

Thank you Mary Jane; our little secret!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 10:03:11 PM
Keep us posted Frank; it appears Millsaps is rolling tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 10:31:05 PM
You stat geeks take notice of the comparison of Mike Moore and Thomas Britt tonight:

Moore recorded 23 points on 8 of 15 shooting (3-10 on 3's) and 4 of 5 from the line.  He had 7 assists and 1 turnover in 23 minutes of play.

Britt had a perfect shooting night - 5 from 5 from the field (2-2 on 3's) and 3 for 3 on the free throw line for a total of 15 points.  In  24 minutes he had 2 assists and 3 turns.

Pretty decent night for both players.  I give a slight edge to Moore for his  better balanced stat sheet.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 10:45:27 PM
Well, we got an upset tonight at Conway tonight with Austin beating Hendrix 63-59.  It's a barn-burner in Texas right now with Trinity up by one with 1:11 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 10:49:19 PM
Frank, how did POTY candidate, Edrick Montgomery perform in the win over Colorado College this evening?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 10:52:58 PM
Trinity survives a scare at Southwestern 53-52. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 08, 2008, 11:29:09 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 10:31:05 PM
You stat geeks take notice of the comparison of Mike Moore and Thomas Britt tonight:

Moore recorded 23 points on 8 of 15 shooting (3-10 on 3's) and 4 of 5 from the line.  He had 7 assists and 1 turnover in 23 minutes of play.

Britt had a perfect shooting night - 5 from 5 from the field (2-2 on 3's) and 3 for 3 on the free throw line for a total of 15 points.  In  24 minutes he had 2 assists and 3 turns.

Pretty decent night for both players.  I give a slight edge to Moore for his  better balanced stat sheet.


Moore's numbers are pretty impressive tonight - him and just about everyone else for DePauw had a big game in the 87-56 romp over Rhodes - but you really had to see his performance to appreciate it tonight.

Late in the first half, Moore took a tumble and hurt his left knee. Couldn't stand up without help, got ice put on it immediately, and limped to the locker room. I figured he was done for the night. But not only does he come out to start the second half, he scores 10 points in the first 2:30 of the half, effectively ending the game right there. One tough floater, one scoop shot from his ankles, and two deep threes.

It was truly one of the most impressive things I've seen all season. Throw in the seven dimes and you've got a hell of a nice night for Mike.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 08, 2008, 11:29:36 PM
Millsaps led 50-22 at the half and a lot of guys got to play in the second half.  Edrick Montgomery had 12 points and 8 rebounds in 21 minutes.  The 8 rebounds topped the team but Blake Martinez led a balance attack with 15 points, followed by Rodney Rogan and Chad Songy with 13.  It was very much a team effort as reflected in the 24 assists.

Here's a link to the box score, etc:  

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-020808.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 09, 2008, 05:34:32 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 10:31:05 PM
Moore recorded 23 points on 8 of 15 shooting (3-10 on 3's) and 4 of 5 from the line.  He had 7 assists and 1 turnover in 23 minutes of play.

That's a darned fine A/T ratio.  :o Lordy me gracious.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on February 09, 2008, 10:10:33 AM
That Austin Win and SW loss just makes the Western division conference tournament race even more interesting. #'s 3-5 in the west all sitting at 4-7 in conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 09, 2008, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2008, 10:49:19 PM
Frank, how did POTY candidate, Edrick Montgomery perform in the win over Colorado College this evening?


By the numbers, Edrick didn't come close to the stats from the last 4 games.  Personally, I thought he played as well or better last night as he did in the games last week against Rhodes and BSC.  Last night was a game where Millsaps didn't need a big performance from anyone and minutes and stats were spread around quite a bit.  Edrick was 6 of 8 from the field--if he had taken 20 shots like he did in the games last weekend, he would have had another 30 point night.  If he had played more than 22 minutes he would have had a handful of extra rebounds.

As we have said all year, good players surrounded by good teammates usually have lower stats than good players who are counted on to carry most of the load.  I think one thing that sets Edrick apart is that he can explode for a big game when needed.  Examples would be the trip to Colorado when Rodney Rogan was injured, the game at Centre when Millsaps only hit 4 of 19 3-point attempts, and the BSC game where just about everyone was in a one-game shooting slump.  In general, Millsaps is a better team when everyone in contributing and Edrick is closer to his 16 ppg and 9 rpg, but it's nice to know that can play a much bigger role when needed.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 09, 2008, 10:24:55 AM
Quote from: vozdelospetrels on February 09, 2008, 10:10:33 AM
That Austin Win and SW loss just makes the Western division conference tournament race even more interesting. #'s 3-5 in the west all sitting at 4-7 in conference play.

That was a huge win by Austin and consequently a huge loss by Hendrix.  It was also a big loss by Southwestern, losing a 1-point game to Trinity last night.  Southwestern had a shot at the end for the win.  If that shot goes in then Trinity falls to 6-5 and Southwestern moves up to 5-6.  It would have given Southwestern somewhat of a chance at getting to #2 in the West, but more importantly it would have given them a cushion for avoiding #5 in the West.  Here's a link to the Southwestern story and boxscore from last night's game:

http://southwesternpirates.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/020908aaa.html
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on February 09, 2008, 10:38:01 AM
Looking forward to a fun game tonight in Atlanta as Sewanee comes in to play OU  at 8 EST. OU looking to push their win-streak to seven games and keep pace with DePauw in the East. Sewanee has definitely struggled in conference play but they are a team that can put some points up. They rely a lot on the three ball, at Sewanee earlier in the year, the Tigers came out nailing their three's then they lost their touch and OU was able to gain control of the game. I know a lot of people think of OU as three point shooting team, but they don't rely on the three as mch as Sewanee. Sewanee, i think, I haven't checked in a while, shoots a larger percenage of 3's to overall FG's attempts than anyone in the conference. I hope coach ponder has his guys ready to play tonight...they better not think this game's a gimmee, especially with Sewanee wanting to shoot 3's and OU having, in my opinion, one of the best shooter's gyms in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on February 09, 2008, 10:39:32 AM
Frank,

I suppose to be working right now, but with the links you provide I'm just gonna get caught up on all of my SCAC basketball. Thanks for giving me an excuse to put off work.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 09, 2008, 11:42:35 AM
vozdelopetrels:  you are right about people thinking that OU relies strongly on the 3.. they shoot on average of about 21-22 a game.. about the same as last years team.. the decpetion is when OU made their run in 03-04 they were considered to rely heavily on the 3.. but since then they have decreased the number of threes they shoot per game.. the realizatioon is that Burr graduated in 05-06.. since then the three point attempts have decreased quite a bit .. and with two good posts in Shaheed and Ward they dont have to settle for perimeter shots

03-04: 26 three point attempts per game
04-05: 23.7 three point attempts per game
05-06: 24 three point attempts per game
06-07: 21.5 three point attempts per game
07-08: 21.7 three point attempts per game

So.. they dont quite rely on the three as heavily as they once did..

On a side note.. I like OU by 14 tonight.. close at half though
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 09, 2008, 11:54:41 AM
found this kind of interesting.. Millsaps, Depauw, Centre, and OU rank in the top 5 or 6 in three point attemps per game.. I would assume that these teams shoot more threes because they have the personel to let it go from deep..

What does everbody think about OU's sytle of play this year.. I feel like they toned it down and arent quite so aggressive this year.. I think they've done a great job of setting a game plan up that fits their opponents.. many coaches feel like you should always play "your" game.. but OU has been successful at adapting to the strenghts and weaknesses of their opponenets and finding a gameplan that attacks their oppnents weaknesses.. any feedback??
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on February 09, 2008, 12:39:32 PM
Here is what I'm talking about with sewanee relying on the three ball:

Team                 FGA         3FGA     % of 3FGA/FGA
Sewanee           1,095       483           44%
Oglethorpe        1,286       434           34%
Millsaps              1,363       502           37%
Centre                1,101       472          43%
DePauw              1,149       475          41%           
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 09, 2008, 12:47:55 PM
yeah.. those are pretty significant numbers..
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 09, 2008, 09:07:04 PM
OU leads Sewanee 37-24 at half.. OU has been in control.. but it deosnt help that Sewanee can't buy an outside basket.. looks like OU might cruise in this one..
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 10, 2008, 09:48:03 AM
Not much excitement on the SCAC schedule today.  Millsaps has another easy Sunday home game with Austin coming to town.  Afterall, Austin couldn't be much tougher than the last two Sunday home games, Sewanee and Birmingham Southern and those were easy wins--oh wait, Millsaps beat Sewanee on a last second shot and the BSC game went into OT after Millsaps trailed most of the game.

I expect another tough Sunday game at Millsaps because this game means a tremendous amount to Austin.  They had a great win Friday to catch up to Hendrix and they will probably need a win today in order to maintain that tie for an SCAC Tournament berth.  That's assuming that Hendrix doesn't dwell on the Friday game to the point that they let Colorado get their first win this afternoon.  Colorado may not be the cream of the SCAC, but they have some pretty good players and they are capable of getting the road trip split this afternoon.

In the other two games it seems like a safe bet to pick the home team with Centre hosting Rhodes and DePauw hosting BSC.  After this weekend, Centre and DePauw have two tough weekends, but it hardly seems likely that they will be looking ahead to those games this afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 10, 2008, 12:39:16 PM
I was multi-tasking this morning, something my mind can't really do, and I left out a key part in my earlier post.  The game this afternoon is tremendously important to Millsaps as well as to Austin.  As we saw in football, a team is never safe when their lead can be erased in one play/game.  Millsaps has a 2 game lead on Trinity for 1st in the West and in all likelihood Trinity will win out in the SCAC with the exception of the Millsaps game.  I see that as a 50-50 game with Millsaps on the road.  Millsaps can't afford for that game to be a game with 1st place in the balance. 

In addition, when it comes to an at-large bid it seems that Millsaps, DePauw and Centre are the likely candidates.  Millsaps really needs to win out, including the Trinity game, to establish themselves as a strong candidate for an at-large berth if they don't win the SCAC Tournament.  With that in mind, they can't take a physical or mental break in any of the remaining games this season.  With the senior leadership on the team, I have faith that they will be focused and play well down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 10, 2008, 04:48:23 PM
Millsaps up 46-36 at the break after shooting 58 percent.  Montgomery with 9 points and 9 rebounds for the Majors on 4-of-4 shooting in addition to Lorenzo Bailey with 11 points on a trio of 3s.  For the 'Roos, Sturtevant with 14 points on 5-of-7 aim followed by Mark Foster with 8 points.  Millsaps with 13 first half assists.  Points in the paint ... Millsaps 18, Austin 8. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2008, 04:53:12 PM

Do we have a score from Centre yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2008, 04:54:02 PM
I need to campaign for live stats at Centre!  No word on this game from anyone, I presume?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 10, 2008, 04:57:52 PM
DPU 68, BSC 67 in Greencastle - Aaron Parr hit a buzzer beating three to make it a 1-point final. Ryan Werntz's two free throws with 1.6 seconds left ensured that Parr's three wouldn't matter.

I guess there's just something about BSC's style that makes them a tough matchup for DPU. But the Tigers held on. Schott with a season high 28 points and 9 boards. Moore with 8 assists, though he shot poorly and only ended up with 6 points (perhaps due to an injury to his shooting hand - I saw he had his ring finger heavily taped throughout the game).

The Colonels are next. Yeah, that's kind of a big one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2008, 05:04:30 PM
DPULefty22, what makes Birmingham Southern a hard match-up for DePauw?  Just curious because it seems Centre matches up well against this team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 10, 2008, 05:10:27 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2008, 05:04:30 PM
DPULefty22, what makes Birmingham Southern a hard match-up for DePauw?  Just curious because it seems Centre matches up well against this team.

Hell, I wish I knew. It could be that I've just seen two of BSC's best efforts this season and they both happened to be against the Tigers. The Panthers were 9-for-16 from behind the arc in this game. That isn't particularly normal and certainly contributed to keeping the game close.

There wasn't any secret as to why BSC beat DPU the first time out - they out-hustled and out-worked the Tigers. That wasn't the case this afternoon - DPU won the battle of the boards and generally took good care of the ball. Maybe I'm reading too much into it and it's just a matter of a good shooting game by BSC and a bad shooting game by DPU conspiring to keep the game tight.

But I will say this - BSC was able to run give-and-go along the baseline with just about any player on their roster. They don't really have any true bigs, but everybody they have has a pretty good first step and they got some layups.

Again, though, I'm just speculating. There were times in the second half it looked like DePauw would run away, and then they'd go cold and BSC would go on a little run. Maybe I'm looking for something deeper than "BSC played fairly well, DPU didn't" when there isn't anything there. But either way, I've been impressed with the Panthers on the two occasions I've seen them, and they've played DPU as tough as anyone has all year. Twice.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 10, 2008, 05:57:28 PM
Final Score from Jackson, Miss... Millsaps 103, Austin 67.  Montgomery finished 10-of-10 from the floor for 21 points and 12 rebounds in 25 minutes, while Rogan (15), Bailey (14) and Songy (10) each netted double figures.  Millsaps hit 14 3s and shot just under 60 percent for the game.  The 'Roos shot just 39 percent in the second half and were outscored 57-31.  Complete Box Score below. 

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-021008.htm

FYI, Centre beat Rhodes 85-63.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2008, 06:16:59 PM
Centre notches it 20th straight win against Rhodes 85-63 today.  Balanced attack with Danny Noll leading the way with 23 points and 10 rebounds.  Matt Nestheide had a nice game with 15 pts on 5 of 7 3-point shooting.  Thomas Britt scored 12 with Ross Herman chipping in 11.  Cory Smith led Rhodes with 13.

Now the big match up Friday night with DePauw.  Should be a lot exciting comments on the board leading up to this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 10, 2008, 06:37:17 PM
At 10 for 10, Montgomery tied the 2nd best field goal shooting game in SCAC history.  Andrew Tulowitsky went 11 for 11 in '07 and Jonathan Jarrett of Sewanee went 10 for 10 in 2000.  From how it looked this afternoon, Edrick was going to shoot 100% regardless of how many shots he took.  I know that Edrick won't make the D3hoops team of the week again, but he played far better this weekend than last.  I truthfully can't think of a better weekend that I've seen him play, not so much because of the stats, but because of the total focus and team play.  I think he went 16 of 18 from the field for the weekend, not too shabby in any league.

The good news for Millsaps is that so many other players are also playing well.  Rodney Rogan looked 100% on the offensive end with 7 of 12 shooting and 15 points in 20 minutes.  Chad Songy had 10 points, 5 assists and 0 turnovers.  Lorenzo Bailey was 4 of 6 on his 3's on his way to 14 points, and Chris Sanders had his typical game where he contributes in so many ways that don't really show in the box score.  It was a relief to see the team play so well on a Sunday and it was good to see all 15 Millsaps players get into the scoring column.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on February 10, 2008, 06:43:37 PM
Hendrix takes care of Colorado 78-56
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2008, 08:22:04 PM
In the POTY running, here's how things looked today:

Edrick Montgomery 10-10 FG, 1-2 FT for 21 points; 12 rebounds, 2 blocks, 1 steal and 1 assist.  Great weekend performance.

Mike Moore 3-14 FG, 0-6 on 3's for 6 points; 8 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 steals and 1 turnover.   He obviously didn't have a good shooting game, but his other stats are good.

Thomas Britt 15 points on 4-11 FG (2-6 on 3's) and 2-3 on the line; 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals and 2 turnovers.  Average game for Britt.

Andrew King 7-12 FG, 3-4 FT (17 points) and 10 rebounds; 1 assist and 1 block.  Consistent play from a consistent player.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 11, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
It had somehow escaped me that Centre was ranked #5 in the country last week and this week they may go higher since the #2 and #3 lost last week.  It's great for the SCAC to have a team ranked so high and I hope they truly are the 5th best team in the country.  As for Millsaps and the rankings, I fully understand why they aren't ranked.  They were 18th in the country and they lost 2 straight games, a scenario that almost guarantees a drop out of the polls.

But it brings up an interesting question.  How would you rate Centre and Millsaps compared to each other or how would you rate the top 5 teams in the SCAC?  Is there much difference between (in alphabetical order) Centre, DePauw, Millsaps, Oglethorpe and Trinity?  Look at the recent games between Trinity-DePauw and Trinity-Centre.  Based on those, wouldn't you say that the 3 teams are basically equal.  And if you discount Trinity because they had home court advantage, then do you factor in that same advantage that Centre had over Millsaps?

I'm still thinking about what point spread I would give between these teams if they played on a neutral court like they will be playing on at the end of the month.  If I could rank the teams between 1 and 5, I'm not sure that I would consider #1 any more than a 6-7 point favorite over #5.  Anyone want to take a stab at playing bookie and give us their point spread between these teams?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 11, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
Frank:  I think alot of these teams matchup much differently than they do with other teams.. for example.. my alma mater OU does not matchup well against Centre or Millsaps.. however I think they matchup great with Trinity and Depauw.. whereas Centre might matcup well against OU.. but not so well against Trinity.. I think matchups and style of play is a large determining factor in considering point spreads..

I think OU is better than Trinity.. not by much (maybe I'm biased and I apologize for that).. but I would expect Trinity to play Centre to a closer game than what OU would.. Trinity plays at a slower pace.. therefore the game has less possessions which would result in a lower scoring close game.. Trinity could shoot bad but stay in the game with defense.. OU plays a more up-tempo style in which turnovers and other factors can take control of the game.. if OU didnt shoot well and being that they are not known for their great defense (although they are much improved) this could result in a possible blow-out or large point spread against a great team like Centre. 

I would also like to add that I think any of those 5 teams could win the conference tourney.. and maybe BSU in a  very long shot..  I'll put my money on the better and more experienced teams such as Centre, Depauw, and Millsaps.. maybe a freshman oriented team at OU can pull off that Freshman magic and make it to the conference champ game like we did in my Freshman year in 03-04.. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 11, 2008, 04:45:36 PM
I suppose this is relative to Frank's question about where the teams stand in relation to each other.  Somebody a lot smarter than me posted some OWP #'s and projections over on the Pool C board.  Here's what he/she came up with for the South region:



Reg  Conf Rank Prior        RPI    OWP    OOWP   School                             Natl Status             Reg   Overall
SO   54     01   01   0.5945 0.4709 0.4988 Centre                    015  A w C       15-1 20-1
SO   51     02   02   0.5937 0.4872 0.5117 Mary Hardin-Baylor    019  A w C       16-2 18-3
SO   52     03   03   0.5883 0.4862 0.5059 Maryville (Tenn.)      022  B 1            14-2 20-2
SO   53     04   06   0.6103 0.5607 0.5302 Guilford                  027  A w C        15-4 16-4
SO   53     05   04   0.5995 0.5328 0.5324 Virginia Wesleyan     028  C 9            16-4 17-5
SO   54     06   07   0.5684 0.4536 0.4913 Millsaps                  037  C 14          14-2 19-3
SO   54     07   08   0.5751 0.4779 0.5113 DePauw                  038  C 15          15-3 18-4
SO   53     08   10   0.5901 0.5344 0.5417 Randolph-Macon      050  C second    12-4 17-4
SO   53     09   05   0.6074 0.6158 0.5140 Roanoke                 054  C second    13-6 15-6
SO   51     10   13   0.5513 0.4952 0.5091 Mississippi College    081                   12-5 15-5
SO   51     11   11   0.5472 0.4755 0.5156 Texas-Dallas           083                   13-5 14-6

I wasn't sure the SCAC could get 3 in, but by this measure, it seems likely they would.  There are only 17 Pool C's available, and he's projecting DePauw as the 15th.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 11, 2008, 08:13:03 PM
I meant to post this at the beginning of the year as it happened right before the season started but this could be the explanation of why OU is playing better this year.  It seems like everyone is having fun (including the coaches) and have bought into the team idea.  No worries about individual statistics etc. it's all about getting the W.

These videos were taken from an annual OSA event at the beginning of the year... the bigger guy in black is the Dean of students and the high fligher is none other than Phillip Ponder... can you ask for anything better?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECwis-MdEcc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEkPABW-x5s
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 11, 2008, 10:47:01 PM
Guys, I do agree the SCAC has some decent balance among its top 5 or 6 teams this season. It is good to see what Wes pointed out from the Regional Rankings that are truly coming out later this week that three teams are highly regarded, and it would appear that the SCAC could possibly get 3 teams in the big dance if the season ended today. Frank, you're correct that there isn't much difference from 1 to 5 in this league. The challenge is to continue to make the other regions of the country better aware of our conference. If one or more of our squads can make a decent run this year in the D3 dance, then we'll be well on our way towards generating greater respect for the SCAC. Centre has had a great run up the poll so far this season, but there's still time for DePauw, Millsaps, Oglethorpe or others to shine. Following the Multi-Regional and the other region boards helps inform on what others think of the South and the SCAC.  You might consider dropping in a top 25 poll weekly on the Posters Poll; this sort of forces me to keep up with what others are saying on the various boards. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2008, 12:27:21 AM
Well Frank, Centre is now ranked #3 behind #1 Amherst and #2 Wisconsin-Whitewater. DePauw will be gunning to drop the Colonels several notches on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 12, 2008, 07:45:06 AM
Centre at 3, DePauw at 26, and Millsaps at 28, not a bad showing by the SCAC.  I contend that if we had last year's schedule with Centre and DePauw playing at Millsaps, it might very well be Millsaps at #3.  Of course, "if frogs had wings...".
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2008, 08:21:50 AM
I'd be lying if I said I was pulling against Centre this Saturday. However, this weekend's SCAC games, depending on outcomes, could catapult all 3 teams into the Top 25 for next week. There's a very fine line here and this is the time of the year where a lot of ranked teams in the bottom portion of the 25 could taste defeat this week. Regardless, it's fun to speculate.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 12, 2008, 12:59:40 PM
Pat has been kind enough to run the  OWP numbers (http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/08/owp.htm), and the news is not particularly good for any of the SCAC teams.

Centre, while ranked 3rd, is 263rd in OWP at .474. Even worse, the OOWP is under .500 for Centre as well, at .497.  They haven't played that many good teams, and those teams haven't played many good teams either. 

Do keep in mind that this is only a small part of the selection process, and that it will likely only affect Centre when it comes time to seed.  Centre is very, very likely in the big show no matter what happens the rest of the way.

Millsaps has a better regional winning percentage than DePauw (stupid Wabash... again... grumble grumble grumble), so we'll address them next.  Millsaps' OWP is, unfortunately, 301st at .456.   They have a similar OOWP to Centre, at .492.  301st in OWP is not good.  But, the regional record for them is good, so there's that. 

DePauw has the best OWP of the three (257th overall) at .487 (still not good) and far and away the best OOWP at .514. (Hey teams Depauw has played, thanks for scheduling tough opponents).

Now again, it's still tough to tell exactly what's going to happen until we get the regional rankings tomorrow.  Also keep in mind that this is only one of the five primary selection criteria.  Also considered are regional record, head-to-head games against teams in the region, region results versus common opponents, and record against ranked teams in the region. 

That being said, my gut feeling was that these OWP numbers needed to be pretty good for all 3 to get in.  Still too early to tell anything definitively, but I think that we may headed towards a race between DePauw and Millsaps for a Pool C.  That's certainly subject to change, however.  They certainly still could both get in.  We'll re-evaluate after the rankings come out.

EDIT: Of course, all of that hinges on Centre winning the tournament.  If Millsaps or DePauw win the tournament, then things get different.  If a team that isn't one of the three win it, things get real complicated. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2008, 02:20:31 PM
Agree, Wes.  It would get real interesting if one of the big three didn't win the tournament.  The moral of this story is that it's probably better to have a higher regional rating than a top 25 ranking if you're sitting on Pool C bubble.  Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 12, 2008, 02:34:10 PM
Wes, thanks for the post and the info.  Let's also keep in mind that Centre has to play at DePauw and at  Oglethorpe (as well as at Sewanee).  IF Centre finishes with losses in 2 out of 3 games while DePauw and Millsaps win out (maybe that's a big IF but not too far fetched), then it would seem like all teams are very even once again.  It just goes to show how important every game is throughout the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2008, 06:23:43 PM
Frank, this scenario is certainly a possibility. Centre doesn't always play well on the mountain either so no game is a certainty at this point. The other possibiity we're all ignoring is Oglethorpe could win out in the East (a real possibility); afterall, they host both Centre and DePauw the final week of the season, and need to beat Rhodes thís weekend. If OU does this, then both DePauw and Centre would need to right their respective ships come tournament time or else?  Of course this would foul up my upset special for this weekend - Rhodes 77 Oglethorpe 73.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 13, 2008, 02:56:36 PM
Here's the Regional Rankings:

1. Centre 20-1 15-1
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor 18-3 16-2
3. Guilford 16-4 15-4
4. Maryville (Tennessee) 20-2 14-2
5. Virginia Wesleyan 17-5 16-4
6. DePauw 18-4 14-3
7. Millsaps 19-3 14-2
8. Randolph-Macon 17-4 12-4

I would venture a guess that they are none too pleased at the quality of teams that DePauw and Millsaps have faced.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 13, 2008, 03:04:29 PM
If that's the reason they  (Depauw and Millsaps) are ranked so low the ranking committee might want to re-evaluate their criteria on Maryville... a team without much of a signature win... their biggest being Rust?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2008, 03:19:15 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 13, 2008, 02:56:36 PM
Here's the Regional Rankings:

1. Centre 20-1 15-1   SCAC Pool A
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor 18-3 16-2  ASC Pool A
3. Guilford 16-4 15-4   ODAC Pool A
4. Maryville (Tennessee) 20-2 14-2 Pool B
5. Virginia Wesleyan 17-5 16-4  ODAC Pool C
6. DePauw 18-4 14-3   SCAC Pool C
7. Millsaps 19-3 14-2   SCAC Pool C
8. Randolph-Macon 17-4 12-4  ODAC Pool C

I would venture a guess that they are none too pleased at the quality of teams that DePauw and Millsaps have faced.
Wes, let's not be too hasty with our assessments.  I think that the SCAC is getting much love!

You have the #2 and #3 Pool C teams in the region.  I, for one, think that Millsaps is the weakest when I look at their South Region record.  They have played three non-conference South Region opponents, Rust (10-11 overall/ 6-7 South Region with 3 games missing), a 2-point home win over Louisiana College (8-14/ 8-11) and a win over Huntingdon (9-14/ 6-10).  It is the in-conference OWP and OOWP that has boosted their in-region record (14-2) to its astronomical heights.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2008, 03:21:39 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on February 13, 2008, 03:04:29 PM
If that's the reason they  (Depauw and Millsaps) are ranked so low the ranking committee might want to re-evaluate their criteria on Maryville... a team without much of a signature win... their biggest being Rust?
By definition a "signature win" is a win over a regionally ranked team.

We are stuck with these 8 teams.  The committee looks at all Handbook criteria and balances all of them to get the regional rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 13, 2008, 04:25:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2008, 03:19:15 PM
Wes, let's not be too hasty with our assessments.  I think that the SCAC is getting much love!

You have the #2 and #3 Pool C teams in the region.  I, for one, think that Millsaps is the weakest when I look at their South Region record.  They have played three non-conference South Region opponents, Rust (10-11 overall/ 6-7 South Region with 3 games missing), a 2-point home win over Louisiana College (8-14/ 8-11) and a win over Huntingdon (9-14/ 6-10).  It is the in-conference OWP and OOWP that has boosted their in-region record (14-2) to its astronomical heights.

No no, Ralph, I do agree.  Could be in a lot worse place than they are.  Some of those teams will certainly lose between now and Selection Monday.  DePauw can certainly help themselves this Saturday night at the Neal Fieldhouse.  I had just hoped to see both DePauw and Millsaps ranked a little higher with 3 and 2 region losses, respectively.  But, there again, the OWP isn't that good. 

Of course, it's still very early.  Sky isn't falling or anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 13, 2008, 04:28:36 PM
In this case, I hope "weakest" is a relative term.  A team can't be too bad when they go on the road and take the top team in the south into overtime only after that top team hits a desperation 3-pointer at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2008, 08:36:08 AM
Frank, in regional ranking terms, we as a conference don't stack up well because of relative strength of schedules and the fact we're not facing ranked teams on a regular basis. Look at Augustana, which lost its 5th game last night. Coming into last night, they were 4-1 against ranked teams. I for one know Millsaps is one heck of a team.  If DePauw prevails this weekend against my Colonels, and Millsaps gets 2 in Texas, look for some regional switchings, particularly with DPU.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2008, 10:24:53 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2008, 08:36:08 AM
Frank, in regional ranking terms, we as a conference don't stack up well because of relative strength of schedules and the fact we're not facing ranked teams on a regular basis. Look at Augustana, which lost its 5th game last night. Coming into last night, they were 4-1 against ranked teams. I for one know Millsaps is one heck of a team.  If DePauw prevails this weekend against my Colonels, and Millsaps gets 2 in Texas, look for some regional switchings, particularly with DPU.
I anticipate the results of Millsaps in Texas.  I have been skeptical of the Majors from their early season performance against LaCollege.

We have very few ASC-SCAC matchups to give a better barometer, so the Texas trip should be a good one to determine the fortunes of the Majors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2008, 10:45:55 AM
John Wooden said that if he had the choice of seeing a basketball recruit play just one time or not at all, he would prefer to not see the recruit play.  He was afraid that he might see a kid on the best night of his career and that would cause him to recruit a dud, or he might see a kid on the worst night of his career and that would cause him to pass on a future star.

Ralph, I've seen several posts that keep referring back to the Millsaps game with Louisiana College, the second game of the season.  Doesn't Millsaps get any credit for the other games on their schedule?  If Britt's 3-pointer doesn't go in with .3 seconds on the clock, then is Millsaps a good team because they beat Centre?  And if the close score in the win against LC is a negative against Millsaps, you must then also conclude that the close score in the loss to Centre is a positive for Millsaps.

Of course, how much credit can you get by playing a close game with Centre since they are obviously a weak team.  I say that because they lost to Rust College to open the season so obviously Centre is an average team at best despite the 20 game winning streak that has followed that season opening loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 14, 2008, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2008, 10:45:55 AM
John Wooden said that if he had the choice of seeing a basketball recruit play just one time or not at all, he would prefer to not see the recruit play.  He was afraid that he might see a kid on the best night of his career and that would cause him to recruit a dud, or he might see a kid on the worst night of his career and that would cause him to pass on a future star.

Ralph, I've seen several posts that keep referring back to the Millsaps game with Louisiana College, the second game of the season.  Doesn't Millsaps get any credit for the other games on their schedule?  If Britt's 3-pointer doesn't go in with .3 seconds on the clock, then is Millsaps a good team because they beat Centre?  And if the close score in the win against LC is a negative against Millsaps, you must then also conclude that the close score in the loss to Centre is a positive for Millsaps.

Of course, how much credit can you get by playing a close game with Centre since they are obviously a weak team.  I say that because they lost to Rust College to open the season so obviously Centre is an average team at best despite the 20 game winning streak that has followed that season opening loss.

I agree.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 14, 2008, 12:55:50 PM
For the sake of playing devil's advocate here, Frank, and certainly not to just get under your skin, what's the rest of the case for Millsaps?  Played #14 (at the time) to the horn on the road and then what?

Heck, you've played the conference to 2 losses (same as DePauw), and DePauw beat you in the head-to-head match-up.  You do have one more win and one more region win, but you didn't play as tough of a schedule.  And on top of that, DPU's OOWP is stronger by a good margin.  DePauw is 1-0 against ranked teams (Millsaps) and I believe Millsaps is winless.

So for honesty's sake, what's the case for Millsaps to be the second team in the SCAC to get in?  If they aren't the second, then they're the third, and I believe that's what Ralph said in the first place.

EDIT: To be honest, I think neither team is a shoe-in for a Pool C.  I think both them fall somewhere in the low teens if you were going to rank all the Pool C candidates.  There's 17 Pool C's, so being 12th or 13th means you're hoping that a lot of the teams who are supposed to win their Pool A do just that.  Still plenty of time left before we cross that bridge, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2008, 02:15:38 PM
I believe I understand your frustration, Frank.  Simply put, the remainder of the season is where Millsaps needs to make its case.  Centre, I realize, has benefitted from a lot of good fortune.  The reverse might have been the case if Britt doesn't hit that shot, and Millsaps then goes on to beat DePauw at Greencastle.  I know it's difficult to have a team's body of work for a season seemingly judged on the basis of two games.  I guess we'll all need to schedule Maryville for 2 games every season to boost our strength of schedule!
   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2008, 02:34:05 PM
I doubt Maryville would argue.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2008, 02:51:02 PM
Wes, I had to go back and read my posts to see where I gave the impression that Millsaps should be ranked ahead of DePauw.  That wasn't my intent, plus I don't really have an argument with where Millsaps is currently ranked in the South Region.  

The SCAC is not the strongest basketball conference from top to bottom and I think most of us would agree with that statement.  Teams from the SCAC get helped by building good records against weak competition and they also get hurt by playing against weak competition when it comes time for the regional rankings.  That's just a reality of the SCAC in most if not all of the major sports.

My post was mostly just some frustration from repeatedly reading from Ralph (whom I respect tremendously) about the Millsaps 2-point win over LC.  I've read this multiple times and it's just tiring to have someone reduce your season to one specific game.  It was the second game of the season, and sometimes things are a little shaky at the start.  As I pointed out, Centre lost to Rust in the first game so should that be the benchmark to their accomplishments for the season?  OR, maybe I should point out that Mississippi College lost to Wesley College in their first game last year and then they went on to dominate the ASC.  Should we use that Wesley College game as a measuring stick and therefore conclude that the ASC is a weak conference?

So here's my bottom line:
--I don't have a problem with where Millsaps is ranked in the South.
--I don't have a problem with DePauw being one spot above Millsaps.
--I agree with Ralph and everyone else that these are important games for Millsaps this weekend and sweep will be difficult but it is what Millsaps needs.
--I agree with Wes that second best in the SCAC is no guarantee for an at-large berth.
--And I disagree with taking one game during the season and pinning the merits of a team on that one game.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 14, 2008, 03:10:39 PM
Boosting strength of schedule by scheduling Maryville would solve the sos problem but you'd have to innovate by actually beating them to really help.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 14, 2008, 03:31:16 PM
I would really love to see the Maryville vs. Centre game.  Hopefully, I will get my wish in the tournament.  I just dont see how Centre could possibly be considered the #3 team in the country.  I really feel that Maryville would beat them at Centre. What win does Centre hang their hat on?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 14, 2008, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: MC wild animal on February 14, 2008, 03:31:16 PM
I would really love to see the Maryville vs. Centre game.  Hopefully, I will get my wish in the tournament.  I just dont see how Centre could possibly be considered the #3 team in the country.  I really feel that Maryville would beat them at Centre. What win does Centre hang their hat on?

Beating #18 at home is a start. 

You've also apparently never been to that building.  You may beat them at your place, but you won't win at Alumni.  No, siree.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2008, 04:36:47 PM
Good response, Frank!

I have not wanted to commit on Millsaps to this point, but having read your analysis, let me state my reasoning.

At the top level, the best of the ASC is better than the best of the SCAC, when the two teams have played or been matched in the playoff bracket.

Only the powerful Trinity 2005 team beat Cinderella UT-Dallas by six points in the first round at home in this decade.  The 2006 Trinity team lost badly to Maryville TN, which lost badly to Miss College.  The 2004 Sul Ross team (11-3 in the West Region) beat Trinity 24-5 in San Antonio in the second round (having received a bye.)  In 2001 Millsaps lost badly to Mississippi College.  In 2000, Pomona-Pitzer edged #9 Trinity in San Antonio, and then lost to 35 at McMurry.

This year, we see the inter-conference games:

Trinity has two 2-point home wins...over Texas Lutheran and HSU.
Southwestern has a 26-point road loss at HSU.
Austin College has a home 10-point loss to UT-Dallas and 16-point road loss at UT-Dallas.
Austin College has a 2-point home loss and a 5-point road loss to LeTourneau.
Sewanee has a 5-point home win over UT-Tyler in the first game.
Hendrix has an 11-point home loss to Ozarks.

I think that the #7 team in the South Region should sweep the Texas series.  I think that Millsaps is on the radar, but must win the tourney, or run the table until the Tourney finals (and finish with a South Region record of 19-3) to get a bid.  I think that they have too many teams ahead of the them at this time to earn the Pool C.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2008, 06:30:48 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2008, 02:51:02 PM
So here's my bottom line:
--I don't have a problem with where Millsaps is ranked in the South.
--I don't have a problem with DePauw being one spot above Millsaps.
--I agree with Ralph and everyone else that these are important games for Millsaps this weekend and sweep will be difficult but it is what Millsaps needs.
--I agree with Wes that second best in the SCAC is no guarantee for an at-large berth.
--And I disagree with taking one game during the season and pinning the merits of a team on that one game.  


I remind you Millsaps lost to both Centre and DePauw.  You're saying Centre is only an average team because they lost to Rust in the opener and sweaked by Millsaps in Danville.  Sounds like you pinning the "one game moniker" on Centre.  If Centre is simply average, then what does that make Millsaps?   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2008, 07:23:11 PM
pbrooks3--either I need to rewrite or you need to reread.  My intent was to point out that a person can't get fixated on one game, especially an early season result, and use that as a measuring stick for an entire season.  Since I've been saying that it is unfair to question the strength of Millsaps by just looking at one game (the Louisiana College game), I obviously would think it unfair to judge Centre by their first game and disregard the following 20.  Or it would be unfair to judge the 2006-07 MC team by their opening loss to Wesley when they had such a great season in the rest of the game. 

By the way, I don't think I've said this already but I've really appreciated your contributions to the D3 board this season.  It really has been a good and interesting year on the SCAC board and I just wish we could get representation from all the teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 14, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE schedule murvul for 2 games, we would love to help strengthen others schedules as well as our own but the problem is its tough to get teams to come here and play hence the 14-2 region record(not as many south region games as others) ??? Not too many wins from visiting teams in boydson baird  8) Beating the #18 team is a solid mark, no doubt about it.

-Granted the GSAC is a TAD subpar compared to the SCAC and other conferences lol...Murvul is undefeated vs. the SCAC the past 2 seasons (Centre, Oglethorpe, Sewanee) and 2-0 vs. centre the past 3 seasons including the win @ centre 2 seasons ago Wes, so YES, SIREE! Including a 30 pt thrashing of oglethorpe(flightofthepetral) this season and a 26 pt thrashing of sewanee on the mountain.

-Murvul would also be undefeated against the USASouth the past 2 seasons had it not been for the slip up the 1st game after christmas this season(6-1)! Also 5-0 against scholarship schools this season including handling 16-5 Carson Newman....Murvul doesnt have as strong a resume as other teams in the South but they can only control whats put in front of them and they have been doing so thus far, hopefully they can sustain this. I would also like to recognize centres 20 game win streak. I dont care who or who youre not playing, VERY IMPRESSIVE. The scots are own their own streak of 13 strait since the Averett game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2008, 08:18:26 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2008, 07:23:11 PM
pbrooks3--either I need to rewrite or you need to reread.  My intent was to point out that a person can't get fixated on one game, especially an early season result, and use that as a measuring stick for an entire season.  Since I've been saying that it is unfair to question the strength of Millsaps by just looking at one game (the Louisiana College game), I obviously would think it unfair to judge Centre by their first game and disregard the following 20.  Or it would be unfair to judge the 2006-07 MC team by their opening loss to Wesley when they had such a great season in the rest of the game. 

By the way, I don't think I've said this already but I've really appreciated your contributions to the D3 board this season.  It really has been a good and interesting year on the SCAC board and I just wish we could get representation from all the teams.

I may have misunderstood you, Frank.  The comment about Centre being an average team based on losing to Rust struck a chord with me.    Anyway, I am truly looking forward to the tournament and finally having an opportunity to see the Majors play.  I so want this conference to advance in the eyes of D3.  I really think the teams of the SCAC are the epitome of what I commonly refer to as "student-athletes".
 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 14, 2008, 08:21:08 PM
Quote from: MC wild animal on February 14, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
including the win @ centre 2 seasons ago Wes, so YES, SIREE!

Yeah, and Centre went a rather unremarkable 19-8 two seasons ago.  That and a dollar won't get you much more than a Sunday paper.  They're 20-1 right now.  Again, I say no, you wouldn't beat them in that building.

I fail to see how 2005 leads you to tell me that you're going to come in and blow the doors off of 'em this season.  Southwestern beat Centre in Danville two years ago.  Does that mean they'd stomp a mudhole in 'em, too? 

I bet you'll say no because they're an SCAC team.  Or it just because they aren't Murvul?  Which one is it?  I never can tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 14, 2008, 08:33:01 PM
I never mentioned "blowin the doors off or stompin a mudhole in centre" i just said they i feel we would win. Thats how im supposed to feel, i support the scots! I never said anything bad about Centre or the conference because I for 1 think it would be brutal to be in there. But i also dont want people disrespecting murvuls schedule without them knowing who exactly were playing and as you and everyone else can see we try and schedule teams from various conferences and have had some success! And why i see maryville vs. centre 2 seasons ago and last season as being relevant...both teams strengths are their guards and and just about every perimeter player from both schools still remain on the roster with much improved depth to murvuls! Im sure centre has added improved depth as well, otherwise wouldnt be 20-1! Just think it would be a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2008, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 14, 2008, 12:55:50 PM
... And on top of that, DPU's OOWP is stronger by a good margin.  DePauw is 1-0 against ranked teams (Millsaps) and I believe Millsaps is winless.

...
This is a fine point, but the precise wording is "Results" against regionally ranked opponents.

That makes the case for a team that is 19-4 in-region and 2-4 versus regionally ranked teams being considered more favorably than a "19-4/1-0" team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2008, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: MC wild animal on February 14, 2008, 08:33:01 PM
I never mentioned "blowin the doors off or stompin a mudhole in centre" i just said they i feel we would win. Thats how im supposed to feel, i support the scots! I never said anything bad about Centre or the conference because I for 1 think it would be brutal to be in there. But i also dont want people disrespecting murvuls schedule without them knowing who exactly were playing and as you and everyone else can see we try and schedule teams from various conferences and have had some success! And why i see maryville vs. centre 2 seasons ago and last season as being relevant...both teams strengths are their guards and and just about every perimeter player from both schools still remain on the roster with much improved depth to murvuls! Im sure centre has added improved depth as well, otherwise wouldnt be 20-1! Just think it would be a great game.

Centre's record against Maryville in the regular season over the past 7 years is 2-4 with MC having won the last 2 in 05 & 06.  Obviously you're hanging your hat on the fact that you've won early season contests twice against them at Alumni in 05 & 03.  Centre did win at Maryville in 04.  So I'll give you credit where credit is due.  I remind you November is different than post season.  2008 is not necessarily 2006.  I am glad you think this would be a good match-up; I do, too.  I like the odds of the Colonels winning at Danville in the tournament if this scenario should play out.  Perhaps it will happen and one of us will be able exclaim I told you so!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 14, 2008, 08:49:52 PM
Quote from: MC wild animal on February 14, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
Not too many wins from visiting teams in boydson baird 

Oglethorpe 93  Murvull 88   1/25/2006... that's a nice one to remember as well- that's when ya'll were good and we finished 2 games under .500

Quote from: MC wild animal on February 14, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
Murvul is undefeated vs. the SCAC the past 2 seasons (Centre, Oglethorpe, Sewanee) and 2-0 vs. centre the past 3 seasons including the win @ centre 2 seasons ago Wes, so YES, SIREE! Including a 30 pt thrashing of oglethorpe(flightofthepetral) this season and a 26 pt thrashing of sewanee on the mountain.

I don't see why you need to call me out MC wil animul...  I don't play.  OU has improved dramatically since we played ya'll (the 2nd game of the season)... this includes having a player transfer in as well as our freshman get acclimated.  I think it might be a different game this time around...at our place- since ya'll had homecourt the first time.

Also congrats on thrashing Sewanee... have you seen their record?  You are SUPPOSED to beat them... wake up and GROW up.

but while we're at it... I might as well take a cheap shot at Murvull as well...  my how the Lady Scots have fallen.  You know it's bad when the Agnes Scott Scotties have replaced you as the dominant Scot.  Have fun watching the tournament at home for the second straight year...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2008, 10:39:25 PM
MC wild animal, you've definitely got a wild streak for your Murvul Scots; you're not going to gain much karma in the SCAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2008, 11:03:09 PM
Weekend thoughts:

In the West, I think Millsaps will take care of business by winning two in Texas, beating Trinity by 5 and then winning by 14 at Southwestern. Hendrix splits losing at TU by 8 and winning by 5 at Georgetown. Colorado College finally does break the streak by scoring a 2-point victory over Austin at the buzzer.

The East shapes up as a surprise weekend with Rhodes winning 2 home games - by 4 over Oglethorpe and by 7 against Sewanee. The tables turn at Birmingham Southern with both road teams beating the host -  Oglethorpe by 10 and Sewanee by 6 in Birmingham. In a close one at Greencastle, the Colonels using solid defense pull out a hard-fought victory in regulation by 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 14, 2008, 11:16:18 PM
I do not think any Murvul posters have disrespected the SCAC or any team in it in these postings, and the stuff about the women's team was, in fact, a cheap shot.  Maryville is happy to play SCAC teams and will be glad to test all this talk in the next few weeks.  I, at least, have a lot of respect for the SCAC and its schools and teams.  I am sure Oglethorpe and Centre and Maryville are all better teams than they were in November.  I wish Murvul was in the league, or any league with 7 teams, but as my man MC wild animal said, all we can do is deal with what is before us.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 14, 2008, 11:48:58 PM
nice job of pointing out that loss at home...like i said "not too many"  and i didnt mean to brag about the big win over sewanee, only stating the outcome! and as for me growing up...nice comment about the girls team, theyve fallen on tough times but are working hard to recover, that may be hard to understand  when ur girls team is better than your boys every year :) also, doesnt mean anything but the last time the lady scots faced the lady stormy petrals in the tourney...find that outcome for me, i know it!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 14, 2008, 11:57:42 PM
and the only reason for all the factual info for flightofthepetral would be for u saying something about maryvilles sos and their signature win being over rust....are you kidding?? 50 and 20 pt wins against rust arent signature wins for mc!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 15, 2008, 12:45:26 AM
MC wild animal:  Being a former OU mens player.. I would just like to state that they OU's women's team has only been better than the Men's team for the last 2 and a half years..  haha.. no harm meant by that.. i just want to clarify that OU's womens team has not always been better.. In my 4 years, from 2003-2007 we were consistantly around a .500 winning percentage.. while the girls had two terrible years and two very good years..
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 08:38:43 AM
The weekend schedule:

Feb. 15 
   8:00 PM  Hendrix   Trinity (Tex.)     
   8:00 PM  Oglethorpe   Birmingham-Southern     
   8:00 PM  Sewanee   Rhodes     
   9:00 PM  Millsaps   Southwestern (Tex.)     
Feb. 16 
   3:00 PM  Centre   DePauw     
   3:00 PM  Colorado Col.   Austin     
   9:00 PM  Hendrix   Southwestern (Tex.)     
Feb. 17 
   3:00 PM  Millsaps   Trinity (Tex.)     
   3:00 PM  Sewanee   Birmingham-Southern     
   3:00 PM  Oglethorpe   Rhodes 

Here are my quick thoughts:
--I don't see OU getting caught looking ahead to next weekend and I think they win both games with relative ease.
--My gut feeling is that Sewanee will lose both games, but for an upset special I'll pick them over Rhodes this evening.
--The game at Austin is so important for Austin and I see them getting that victory.
--I see Hendrix losing both on the road.  I think Hendrix would have a better chance against Southwestern if it were a Sunday game, but SW should have a good crowd on Saturday night and that will make a difference.
--I have to go with the home team of DePauw over Centre.  That might sound like a big upset, #3 falling to an unranked, but I don't think many people who know the SCAC would see this as much of an upset at all.
--Naturally I pick Millsaps to win both in Texas.  HOWEVER, I don't think either game will be easy.  In theory, Millsaps should beat Southwestern tonight but Millsaps won't do it if they have an off night.  As for Trinity, let's remember that the #1 and #6 team in the South barely escaped from San Antonio with a W at the beginning of this month.  Trinity probably should have won both games. Millsaps will need to shoot well from the outside to get this win.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 09:05:25 AM
I know I'm in the minority in picking my Colonels over DePauw.  I saw something pretty special in the way the team gutted it out at Trinity 2 weeks ago on the road against a tough defensive bunch.  They'll have to be at the top of their game to beat DePauw, but I just have that feeling.

As mentioned in an earlier blog, I see the Majors winning both Texas games.  I'm not sure Trinity has completely forgotten the Centre game, and this may make them a bit more vulnerable this weekend.  If Millsaps will utilize its athleticism and court smarts, it will win this game.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 09:24:43 PM
Rhodes up 19-10 with 10:45 to go in the 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 09:55:04 PM
Rhodes leads at half 36-34. Thompson has 10 for the hosts; Pursell leads Sewanee with 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 10:01:40 PM
at Southwestern 41, Millsaps 29; 1:20 left in the half


Half -- Southwestern 43, Millsaps 33.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 10:11:03 PM
14:47 mark 2nd half Rhodes up 49-41.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 10:19:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 10:01:40 PM
at Southwestern 41, Millsaps 29; 1:20 left in the half


Half -- Southwestern 43, Millsaps 33.

Southwestern hit their first 5 3-pt attempts and 7 of 10 for the half.  Millsaps shot poorly, 10 of 28 compared to 13 of 21 for Southwestern, and they were outrebounded 21 to 12.  The only reason Millsaps is within 10 is their real strength all year, taking care of the ball.  They have 7 turnovers compared to 13 for Southwestern.

This will be a real challenge for Millsaps to come back for the win--it would obvioulsy help if they get a little hotter from the field.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 10:24:22 PM
55-52 Rhodes with 8:51 to play. Rhodes should be up 10 but is taking bad shots and keeping Sewanee alive. The Lynx want to fast break every possession and it's hurting them.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 10:32:49 PM
After 7 minutes of the second half Millsaps is up by 3, 53 to 50.  Southwestern has cooled off some and Millsaps has heated up a little.  Still a long way to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 10:34:02 PM
Lynx by 8 with 3:08 remaining - 63-55.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 10:40:28 PM
67-64 Rhodes 1:28 to go. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 10:46:18 PM
13 seconds Lynx by 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 10:50:51 PM
Rhodes 70 Sewanee 66 Final
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 10:53:44 PM
Millsaps and SW are in a tight one.  Millsaps leads 68-65 with 4:15 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 10:56:33 PM
Millsaps now up 73-65 with 2:45 to play.  SW has the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 11:05:33 PM
Great 2nd half by the Majors.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 11:07:23 PM
Millsaps wins 80-71 in one of those difficult games that is good to be in every once in a while as long as you come out with the win.  I'll post stats in a minute.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 15, 2008, 11:10:33 PM
Huge win in Texas tonight by Hendrix.  The Warriors overcame a double-digit deficit to steal one on the road.
Great job guys!  Grab another one tomorrow night in Georgetown.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 11:16:15 PM
Millsaps got 17 points from both Edrick Montgomery and Rodney Rogan and Lorenzo Bailey scored 16.  They were also the leading rebounders for Millsaps with Montgomery at 9, Rogan at 7, and Bailey at 5.

The shooting percentages were basically reversed in the second half, SW going from 62% to 35% and Millsaps going from 36% to 52%.  After hitting 7 of 10 on 3-pointers in the first half, SW only hit the mark on 4 of 14 in the second half.

With 2 games to go in conference play, Millsaps has a 2 game lead on Trinity if Trinity won tonight.  I agree with what Ralph and others have said about Millsaps needing to win both games this weekend in order to be in good position for an at-large berth.  It will be a challenge to win at Trinity and it will take a more consistent performance on Sunday instead of just one really good half.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 11:18:26 PM
Hendrix 70, Trinity 65.  Millsaps wraps up the top seed in the West but still needs to win Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 11:19:01 PM
Great to hear about the Hendrix victory in San Antonio. Will be curious to learn more about this game. This was important for the Warriors in getting in position for the tournament. Millsaps' win at Georgetown must also have been exciting judging by the 2nd half turnaround.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 11:20:30 PM
Link to live stats summary for Hendrix and Trinity:

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/livestats/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 15, 2008, 11:25:07 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 11:20:30 PM
Link to live stats summary for Hendrix and Trinity:

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/livestats/xlive.htm

Trinity held a 13 point lead with 13:30 to go in the second.  Hendrix went on a big run and held on.  I guess it is possible Trinity started looking ahead to Millsaps, but this was big as far as the Warriors locking up a tourney spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2008, 11:25:56 PM
How about this score:  Birmingham Southern 87, Oglethorpe 80

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/bsc/mbball/

The stats on this game look almost identical except that BSC hit 13 of 26 3-pointers and OU was 5 of 17.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2008, 11:40:08 PM
Rhodes' performance tonight was reminiscent of many of their games against weaker opponents. They struggled to retain several nice leads throughout the game. One thing I noticed tonight was the team would be so intent on building a lead that they would take bad shots or try to speed up the game when it clearly wasn't the right step to take. I thought this should have been a 10-12 pt win for the Lynx.

The two seniors had nice games - Joe Thompson was hot early canning 2 long-range bombs and tallying I believe 12. Justin Long had 11 and a fair number of rebounds. Sophomore Reid Hamilton led in scoring and presented a challenge dribble driving effectively against a foul-plagued Ben Pursell in the 2nd half. Cory Smith played a balanced and effective game even though he failed to crack double figures. He defended big, grabbed key rebounds throughout and assisted on several key baskets by teammates. He definitely helped his team.

It will take a herculean effort Sunday to beat Oglethorpe but it's possible if Rhodes will play smarter than they did tonight. They'll need to get a balance between their bigs and their guards. Nathan Olie coming off the bench could be the energy they need to pull off a big win.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wiley123 on February 16, 2008, 12:15:53 AM
Why would Murville not play Centre? I know they had a tragic incedent but I would think they would have time to reschedule...is Coach Lambert afraid to hurt his RPI if he has another loss. Probably a good idea seeing how Centre is playing this year...wow...these guys are fun to watch. Being a long time follower of the SCAC, I will be shocked if Centre doesn't make the trip to Salem! These kids deserve it. If they can slide by Depauw game...they will be a lock for Salem. Centre will not lose at home with the homers that will be calling the game...thats what I love about the SCAC...they take care of their own. The newly refurbished Centre Dome will be rocking with all of the townspeople coming to support. Where else can you watch great basketball and get a frappaciuno at halftime? I just hope the committee doesn't frown on the limited seating. On the site they say they hold over 1000 and the last home game listed 1500 in attendance on the website....unfortunately i don't believe the town of Danville has more than 1500 residence.
Good Luck Colonels...we are all pulling for you!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 12:34:49 AM
wiley123, what does your crystal ball show for Centre tomorrow at Greencastle?  I'm a big Centre supporter, but Salem is a pretty big leap from Alumni Gym.  Some in the SCAC are going to be wondering what meds you've been taking.  Don't get me wrong - I hope Salem is in the cards.  Good thing I like about the Colonels is they take one game at a time.  They will need to if there is to be any shot at the final 4.  Otherwise Salem is just another stop along the Blue Ridge Parkway.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 16, 2008, 07:21:34 AM
Quote from: wiley123 on February 16, 2008, 12:15:53 AM
Being a long time follower of the SCAC, I will be shocked if Centre doesn't make the trip to Salem! These kids deserve it. If they can slide by Depauw game...they will be a lock for Salem.

Still a month left before the bids are even selected, and we've already got a stone cold lead pipe Final Four lock.  Mark it down, friends.  Hedge your bets now, apparently. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wiley123 on February 16, 2008, 10:05:42 AM
OK..maybe not a lead pipe lock. But I really love this team. Actually just got clearance from the wife to head to Greencastle today. My crystal ball tells me Centre makes a statement and wins by 22. Look for Britt to have a big day as Depauw just doesn't match up well. As I said earlier, I would have loved to see the maryville matchup. Look at the website, there were plenty of dates availble for maryville. Any insight? Gotta run boys....have to get some work done so I can hit the roads for Greencastle!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 10:50:37 AM
wiley123, what did you add to your coffee this morning?  I'm glad to have another unabashed Colonel fan, but taking the Tigers today by 22 seems to be another stretch sort of along the lines of Salem. I know Wes would take that wager for sure!  I'll take any sort of victory at Greencastle.

Not sure about the # of people in the stands at Alumni for the Millsaps game, but I believe the facility can handle 1,500. Now about Danville, you might add another zero to the town's population - it's about 15,000.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 16, 2008, 10:53:12 AM
Quote from: wiley123 on February 16, 2008, 10:05:42 AM
OK..maybe not a lead pipe lock. But I really love this team. Actually just got clearance from the wife to head to Greencastle today. My crystal ball tells me Centre makes a statement and wins by 22. Look for Britt to have a big day as Depauw just doesn't match up well. As I said earlier, I would have loved to see the maryville matchup. Look at the website, there were plenty of dates availble for maryville. Any insight? Gotta run boys....have to get some work done so I can hit the roads for Greencastle!

Um... I'm gonna go ahead and take DPU and the points if you're offering that spread. Been a long time since anybody beat them that bad at Neal Fieldhouse, I can assure you.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 16, 2008, 11:26:22 AM
Wiley, Coach Lambert has tried several times to reschedule the game, but Centre didnt want to play it in the middle of their conference schedule (which is a loss). Maryville is taking care the business in front of them. I really hope that Maryville goes to Centre for the tourney because we will show you just how well we travel. We will turn Danville into little Maryville!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 02:46:57 PM
Guys, I think we need to bury the hatchet on the MC / Centre game that didn't happen this season.  Let's see where things go the remainder of the season. As Wes has noted, there are games left to play, and there aren't any guarantees that one or both squads will make the post-season. Looks promising now but you can't predict clearly with the weak South region who moves forward for the dance.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 03:56:04 PM
Good first 20 minutes in Greencastle.  One stat that sticks out is the # of 3-pointers made by DePauw versus Centre - 5 to 2.  This usually bodes well for them when they outscore their opponents from the deep stripe.  One player for the Colonels with foul problems is Chris Gowers with 3.  Fouls are about even.  20 minutes to go; we'll see how the 2nd half unfolds.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 04:28:32 PM
Got a war going on in Greencastle with DePauw leading by 1 with about 3 minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 16, 2008, 04:46:26 PM
Centre keeps winning close games, but the key is that they keep winning.  In another game that comes down to the closing seconds, Centre wins at DePauw 69-66.

I didn't really have a team to pull for in this game.  I guess it helps Millsaps that DePauw lost, giving Millsaps a chance to move up a notch in the regional rankings if Millsaps continues to win.  Also, it has to be good for the SCAC to have a team near the top of the polls and at the top of the regional rankings.

For now, Millsaps needs to take advantage of this loss by DePauw by winning at Trinity.  If Millsaps loses tomorrow, then the SCAC may only have one team in the next regional ranking.

Link to live stats:  http://www.depauw.edu/ath/live/men/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 04:48:02 PM
Very exciting game with Centre getting their 21st in a row.  Thomas Britt hits two big free throws with 3 seconds left to extend a 1-pt lead to a 69-66 win.  Britt scored 22 with 8-10 FG; 3-5 3-pointers and 3-3 FT.  Mike Moore and Stephen Schott played big for the Tigers with 18 and 19 respectively.  Centre finally got a decent shooting game with a 53% night.  Thomason, Noll and Nestheide had 11 pts each.  This game didn't quite have the final drama of the Millsaps game, but it wasn't far off.  This was a big time D3 tilt!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 16, 2008, 04:55:20 PM
at the half, AC leads Colorado College 27-24.  The 'Roos used a 10-0 run to close the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 16, 2008, 05:05:18 PM
THX... keep the updates coming from the 'roos game...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 16, 2008, 05:49:29 PM
Centre just executed better down the stretch than DePauw did.  The Tigers had about half a dozen open looks at 3's with two or three minutes to go and they just didn't fall.  Centre got hoops when they needed them, DePauw didn't.  I THINK (not sure) that Oilar meant to miss his second free throw with 4.2 left. I assume DePauw was going to try to tip it out to a shooter, but I believe he accidentally made it.  Tony James had a open look at the buzzer for the tie, but it didn't go.

Quote from: wiley123 on February 16, 2008, 10:05:42 AM
My crystal ball tells me Centre makes a statement and wins by 22.

You may want to get that thing looked at before you stake your reputation on it again.  It's leading you grossly astray.  Not sure, maybe it's running on seven cylinders.  Could be an alignment problem.  I dunno.  Need to have it worked on, though.

Quote from: wiley123 on February 16, 2008, 12:15:53 AM
If they can slide by Depauw game...they will be a lock for Salem.

FURTHERMORE, I've seen Centre twice this season (vs. Millsaps, @ DPU) and I can tell you that Centre ain't a lock for a darned thing.  The way they've played Millsaps and DePauw this season, they aren't even a lock to win the SCAC tournament, let alone be one of the best four teams in the country.  And I bet Greg Mason is the first to tell you that.  Are they the best team in the SCAC?  Sure.  Are they favorite going into Conway?  That's a big 10-4, good buddy.  But, they're only two bounces away from 2 conference losses.  That's about as far away from booking your hotel rooms early as I can think of.

Perhaps putting the cart BEHIND the horse instead of IN FRONT of it would be something for you to consider.  Just something for you to think about for future reference.  You darned sure ain't gonna make many friends if you keep that up.  Not sure if that's your intention or not.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 16, 2008, 05:58:17 PM
AC wins 58-47...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 16, 2008, 06:11:39 PM
Looks like a great game was played in Greencastle today.. being that I'm from Indiana.. I was always excited to play up there even though I never won at Rose-Hulam or Depauw.. its just something in the atmosphere.. Wish I could have seen the game, but from what I hear it was one heck of a game.. Centre has a shot to finish the SCAC schedule undefeated.. anybody know if thats been done in recent history??  does this game help or hurt in getting a second team form the SCAC to the tourney.. however, i know alot of this depends on what happens in the conference tourney..

on a side note... Is it safe to say that Britt has just about locked up the POY with a good performance today?? any insight.. i still think Moore and Montgomery have an outside shot, but it seems as if Britt has distanced himself just a little
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 06:41:07 PM
POTY is still not decided in my opinion. Britt was very solid today - his consistency in big games this year is uncanny. Mike Moore, however, was equally tough today. If that 3-pointer goes down for him near the end today, we'd probably be highlighting him. Moore was the Tiger's start today and he kept them in the game at crucial times when they were leaking oil. His stats also bear this out. Let's see what Edrick Montgomery does against Trinity tonight. How about Andrew King's game against Trinity last night?  He had an impressive game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on February 16, 2008, 06:45:25 PM
Good for Centre...as long as they keep winning, Maryville will probably have to come there.  That is what we all want.  I would love to bring the Maryville train through Danville!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 16, 2008, 07:03:46 PM
Few thoughts on the DPU-Centre game...

1) Great to see a real-live student section at Neal Fieldhouse this afternoon.  They really added to the atmosphere of the game.

2) Centre doesn't have anybody that can guard Steve Schott. The guys that tried (Herman and Gowers) were in foul trouble all day. And Schott did have a big game - ended up with 19 points. But he should have had 30. DPU has never ran an offense that is predicated upon making Schott the primary offensive option - they prefer to run the motion. They fed Schott a good deal today, but I can't help but feeling he could have put them over the top if he had been the first look down the stretch. Gowers and Herman had four fouls apiece. Schott could have had his way underneath late.

3) Brilliant play drawn up to get Mike Moore that three with 7 seconds left... he just missed that damn thing by an eyelash. Game of inches and all that.

4) Does Centre ever take a bad shot? I've not seen one in the two matchups this year.

5) DPU didn't shoot that well, didn't offensive rebound, and gave up a lot of layups... and still came within a missed three at the horn of beating the #3 team in the country. Make of that what you will, but I don't think there's that big a gap between Centre and DPU (and Millsaps, for that matter).

I think the team that executed better and the team that played smarter won today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2008, 11:03:09 PM
Weekend thoughts:

In a close one at Greencastle, the Colonels using solid defense pull out a hard-fought victory in regulation by 3.

DPULefty22, agree with you that we have three top-tier teams in this league for sure, and Oglethorpe and Trinity are close behind.  Schott definitely had his way on the block, and exposed a weakness of Centre's; we really miss not having 6'8" Alex Lloyd down there to help out.

One observation about DePauw - their style of offense which is someone predicated on the 3-point shot may have taken them away from what was clearly a mismatch in the post today.  As the DPU bloggers noted, more touches for both Schott and Oliar in the paint probably produce a different outcome for them.  The other interesting stat is DePauw won the 3-point game, but Centre won the in-the-paint game by scoring more down low and on dribble drives to the hoop.  The Colonels produced 26 rebounds (1 more than DPU).

Keys to the victory today: good shots, 50%+ shooting, hitting free throws and solid play in the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 08:07:21 PM
Was so fired up about the DePauw-Centre game today that I didn't mention how important that game was to Hendrix last night in San Antonio.  Going into this weekend they were scuffling some and I was concerned they might be in a dog fight to even get the 4th spot in the west for the tournament.  Three straight losses would have left them at 5-10.  Now they have some momentum going into their game tonight with Southwestern, a team they can legitimately beat.  Kind of figure they'll lose to Millsaps in Jackson next week, but that would still leave them at 7-8 in the league and now likely the 3rd seed.  Since Hendrix is hosting the tourney, it would be good to see both men's and women's teams in the field, and it now appears that will be the case. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wiley123 on February 16, 2008, 10:13:24 PM
Wow!!What a game that was at Depauw!! I just got my room booked in Salem at the Holiday Inn for 89.00 a night baby! The atmosphere was amazing...boy those fans can be brutal sometimes.
To Disguntled Depauw fan (wes anderson): Sorry you a had a bad day because your team lost but that is no reason to attack my integrity. Ok..so I was off a little on the score but where do you speak of me saying today Britt would have a big day....22. I told you there was a 22 in my crystal ball. And  as for your wanting to make friends comment...if I wanted to make friends I would sign up for EHarmony!! Centre has now been battle tested on the road and has won 21 straight. How many do you have to win to be considered elite? They are undefeated in a conference that is going to send 3 teams to the dance....this is grown up message board..don't be so emotionally immature just because your team is no good. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2008, 10:16:01 PM
Southwestern leads Hendrix, 61-55. 10:05 left.


Final: at SU 80, Hendrix 79.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 11:07:38 PM
Ok Western Division bloggers, help figure things out for the 3rd and 4th seeds now that Hendrix has lost. There's a good chance three teams fighting for these slots could all end up 6-9. If Hendrix loses to Millsaps, Southwestern wins at CC, but loses at Austin, and Austin loses to Trinity than we have this scenario. Frank, sort this out for me so I don't have to go back to review earlier games.

wiley123, glad you  enjoyed yourself in Greencastle. I'm sure you were a big hit at Neal Fieldhouse.  Are you going to any other Centre games before your scheduled stop in  Virginia?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 16, 2008, 11:34:03 PM
That will be interesting if 3 teams end up at 6-9 but I think I'll let the SCAC office figure that out if that's the final result. 

For those who are interested, the Millsaps vs. Emory baseball game has been moved up to 10:30 ET tomorrow because of expected rain in the afternoon.  The game will be broadcast at:  http://www.espnradio1240.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 16, 2008, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: wiley123 on February 16, 2008, 10:13:24 PM
this is grown up message board..don't be so emotionally immature just because your team is no good. :'( :'( :'(

Yep, we're all grown-ups here. Except for the guy who is so emotionally immature that he figures he can show his ass just because his favorite team's won 21 straight. Ah, ain't internet anonymity a wonderful thing?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 11:54:39 PM
Quote from: MC wild animal on February 16, 2008, 06:45:25 PM
Good for Centre...as long as they keep winning, Maryville will probably have to come there.  That is what we all want.  I would love to bring the Maryville train through Danville!
Thank you, MC wild animal.  Congratulations on a stellar victory today against Huntingdon.  I'll predict a step up in the polls, perhaps as high as #23.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2008, 02:08:57 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 16, 2008, 07:21:34 AM
Quote from: wiley123 on February 16, 2008, 12:15:53 AM
Being a long time follower of the SCAC, I will be shocked if Centre doesn't make the trip to Salem! These kids deserve it. If they can slide by Depauw game...they will be a lock for Salem.

Still a month left before the bids are even selected, and we've already got a stone cold lead pipe Final Four lock.  Mark it down, friends.  Hedge your bets now, apparently. 

Less than three weeks, actually.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 17, 2008, 05:30:19 AM
Quote from: wiley123 on February 16, 2008, 10:13:24 PM
To Disguntled Depauw fan (wes anderson): Sorry you a had a bad day because your team lost but that is no reason to attack my integrity.

It's not about that and we both know it.  Running your mouth has nothing to do with who won and who lost.  Don't talk to me about emotional immaturity when you spew a bunch of garbage about how Centre's the greatest team on planet earth in the first post you make on this message board.  It doesn't work like that, hotshot. 

Maybe you want to reel in the optimism a little bit instead of being horribly offensive to fan bases of other teams in this league by telling me exactly how much they're going to fall to the mighty, wonderful, strong, lovely, exceptional, exquisite Colonels of Centre College.  Anytime you want to dismount that high horse would be fantastic for everybody else. 

I'm not going to tell you how to conduct yourself here.  It's certainly not my place to do so.  But, consider the following a friendly tip from somebody who has been around here for a little bit.  You're traveling down a slippery slope here.  There aren't going to be many people who take heed to single thing you post if that's the kind of attitude you're going to have about it.  If that's what you're after, then I wish you the best of luck.  It isn't going to be a very enjoyable stay here and it ain't just the two DePauw grads here who are going to be unhappy with you.  I'm not horribly biased towards DePauw.  I hope Centre does great in the tourney once they get there.  But, I certainly didn't take kindly to you scoffing at DePauw before the game and then giving them no credit afterwards.

You seem like a nice enough guy.  I don't believe you're here just to piss everybody off.  If I'm right about that, then maybe you should re-examine the abrasiveness you have towards the other teams in this league and their fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 17, 2008, 08:08:34 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 16, 2008, 11:34:03 PM
That will be interesting if 3 teams end up at 6-9 but I think I'll let the SCAC office figure that out if that's the final result. 


Was a real shame for Warrior fans that Hendrix didn't get the sweep after the win on Friday night at Trinity.  No excuses, but I really wish the travel plans would've allowed a Sunday game instead of Saturday night. 

Now, I'm not at all sure about this, but:
If the scenario plays out with a three-way tie with SU, AC & HC, the head-to-head wouldn't matter since all three teams split with each other. 
If in-division wins is the next tie-breaker, it would favor Hendrix, so it appears the Warriors are in at least the #4.
After that, I don't know!  Maybe a win at Millsaps would be the easiest thing to settle the deal!!!

Someone with more SCAC experience will have to unravel the tie-breaker system!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 17, 2008, 08:22:36 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2008, 10:45:55 AM

Of course, how much credit can you get by playing a close game with Centre since they are obviously a weak team.  I say that because they lost to Rust College to open the season so obviously Centre is an average team at best despite the 20 game winning streak that has followed that season opening loss.

This is my first post, so I apologize if I have not done this properly. That "weak" , "average" team from Centre, has once again won a close one in an opponent's gym with a large, biased crowd. De Pauw has a great team, and it was a great game. Centre has continued to show that it can find a way to win. With a student body of 1000 students, no D1 or Junior College transfers, high academic standards, and two seniors who will be entering medical school and an MBA program upon graduation, Centre and Coach Mason have produced a "strong" and "above average"  team in many ways.. Their season has already been a great success, and continued wins are only gravy. Obviously, the SCAC has three great teams in Centre, De Pauw, and
Millsaps who will continue to represent the league in a "strong" and "above average" manner. With the academic and time management problems that
the players on the aforementioned teams have as student athletes, I nor anyone should never characterize them as "weak" or "average".
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 17, 2008, 08:42:23 AM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 17, 2008, 08:22:36 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 14, 2008, 10:45:55 AM

Of course, how much credit can you get by playing a close game with Centre since they are obviously a weak team.  I say that because they lost to Rust College to open the season so obviously Centre is an average team at best despite the 20 game winning streak that has followed that season opening loss.

This is my first post, so I apologize if I have not done this properly. That "weak" , "average" team from Centre, has once again won a close one in an opponent's gym with a large, biased crowd. De Pauw has a great team, and it was a great game. Centre has continued to show that it can find a way to win. With a student body of 1000 students, no D1 or Junior College transfers, high academic standards, and two seniors who will be entering medical school and an MBA program upon graduation, Centre and Coach Mason have produced a "strong" and "above average"  team in many ways.. Their season has already been a great success, and continued wins are only gravy. Obviously, the SCAC has three great teams in Centre, De Pauw, and
Millsaps who will continue to represent the league in a "strong" and "above average" manner. With the academic and time management problems that
the players on the aforementioned teams have as student athletes, I nor anyone should never characterize them as "weak" or "average".

OS/A...
I think if you read everything in context, you'll see that Frank was being sarcastic because his team, Millsaps, had been accused of being weak after an early season loss.
The true SCAC fan is proud of all our teams that do well.  Centre, DePauw & Millsaps have made all of us proud by being recognized in the polls this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 09:56:29 AM
Frank, if I could give karma, I would. This board is all about the SCAC. Of course I am beaming over the way the Centre Colonels play after witnessing that less than grand performance back in LaGrange against Rust. The 2 seniors are great character student-athletes that lead this team by example. Not to mention the fine coaching job by Greg Mason this season. Given that UW-Whitewater got blasted last night, I expect Centre to be #2 this week in the polls. The ranking in my opinion helps the entire league. Given some of the other losses among the top 25, I think it's possible Millsaps cracks the 25 again with a victory today at Trinity. DePauw should remain right on the edge; they are a fine team and I look for them to make noise in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 17, 2008, 11:54:13 AM
If anyone is attending the Oglethorpe Rhodes game, would you mind posting updates- or pointing me in the right direction to finding live stats or a broadcast if available?   thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 12:00:34 PM
I will post updates on the men's game at Rhodes today.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 17, 2008, 12:06:30 PM
Pbrooks... any chance you could give a  halftime and final score of the girls game as well?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 17, 2008, 01:02:14 PM
First off, thank you Hendrixfan for taking the time to actually read my entire post and to understand my comment in the context in which it was written.  I'm starting to learn that my posts need to be more simplistic, not because of a lack of intelligence by other board members, but I think people glance through the posts due to lack of time and they just pick up on sentences without taking the time to pick up the entire conversation.

FOR THE RECORD, I do not think that Centre is a weak or average team because they lost to Rust earlier in the year, JUST AS I DON'T THINK Millsaps is a weak team because they only beat Louisiana College by 2 points in the second game of the season, JUST AS I DON'T THINK the 2006-07 Mississippi College team was weak because they lost to little old Wesley College in the first game of the year. 

Please go back and read my posts where I mentioned Centre and I think you'll catch this point.  What I do think is that Centre is a very good team that is no where near the #2 or #3 best team in the country.  I say that because I think that Centre, Millsaps, and DePauw are all just about even (with Trinity not too far behind), and I have a hard time believing that the SCAC has 3 teams that are among the very best in America.  The SCAC has 3 very good teams that hopefully will get into the NCAA Tournament, but I just don't think they are at the very top of all of D3 basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 17, 2008, 02:05:47 PM
Frank-I apologize if I upset you, but my earlier comment was because I and others were discussing your comments at a recent game. Both myself and the others had not researched the history of your comments to understand that it was tongue in cheek. However, your comments about Millsaps, Centre, and DePauw being very even but not at the top of Divison III are somewhat troubling. I don't believe that there is a dominant team or teams in Division III this year, and if you compare scores from similar opponents, I believe that there are twenty (20) teams that could win the whole thing. It would not surprise me at all if either Millsaps or DePauw won out, and went far into the tournament. They both have size, shooting, speed, and defense. Certainly, Amherst is the team to beat, with Division 1 size, but they were beaten by a team, Brandeis I believe, that Millsaps, DePauw, or Centre could compete with according to common opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 17, 2008, 03:10:37 PM
OS/A--No apology needed.  I do have a problem of posts that are too long and I can see how someone could scan them and pick up the wrong impression.  During football season it was a Millsaps fan who jumped all over me in a similar situation.

On how the SCAC teams rank, I truthfully hope you are correct.  The way polls are done with the general rule being that if you keep winning then you keep moving up, Centre has certainly done what it takes to be as high as they are.  I just don't think I would consider them the favorite to win on a neutral court against all but 1 or 2 D3 programs in the nation.  Likewise with Millsaps.

Speaking of Millsaps, I am concerned about the game at Trinity today, especially after Millsaps got off to a slow start at Southwestern on Friday.  At the moment Millsaps has started off well and they lead 22-16 after 9 minutes.  Live stats are at this link:  http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/livestats/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 04:04:34 PM
OU 10-6 in the early going.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 04:08:39 PM
At 12:42 mark, OU leads 18-15.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 17, 2008, 04:11:25 PM
With 6:23 to go, Millsaps leads 64-58.  Millsaps has 3 players with 4 fouls each (Rogan, Montgomery, and Cameron Varnado) and a total of 18 fouls compared to 9 for Trinity.  That's surprising with Trinity usually being a physical team.

I don't have a good feeling about this game with Rogan and Montgomery have 4 fouls each.  Something tells me that neither will be eligible by the time the final buzzer goes off.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 04:13:58 PM
Timeout 9:44 to play 1st half; OU 20 Rhodes 19.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 17, 2008, 04:17:05 PM
Rogan fouls out on the offensive end of the court with 3:37 to go.  How long before Montgomery is sent to the bench?  Millsaps up 72-65 with 3:01 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 04:20:29 PM
32-29 Rhodes with 5:27 in the 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 04:28:28 PM
40-38 OU; 1:51 in first half
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 17, 2008, 04:28:44 PM
thanks for the updates Pbrooks... keep em coming!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 04:30:21 PM
Congratulations, Frank!  That was a good road trip!

Final Millsaps 77, Trinity 68.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 17, 2008, 04:30:26 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 17, 2008, 04:11:25 PM
With 6:23 to go, Millsaps leads 64-58.  Millsaps has 3 players with 4 fouls each (Rogan, Montgomery, and Cameron Varnado) and a total of 18 fouls compared to 9 for Trinity.  That's surprising with Trinity usually being a physical team.

I don't have a good feeling about this game with Rogan and Montgomery have 4 fouls each.  Something tells me that neither will be eligible by the time the final buzzer goes off.

Final, Millsaps 77, Trinity 68 (only Rogan fouled out).   Nice, balanced scoring from the Majors with four in double figures, led by Songy's 18.  Bailey and Sanders had 15 each. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 17, 2008, 04:34:23 PM
Millsaps wins 77-68.  Leading scorers for Millsaps were Chad Songy with 17 and Lorenzo Bailey and Chris Sanders with 15 each.  Edrick Montgomery had 10 and he didn't foul out, and he even blocked a key shot towards the end.  The rest of the scoring for Millsaps was Rodney Rogan with 7, Russell Booth and Blake Martinez with 5, and Allen Odum with 3.

This game drops Trinity to 7-6 in the SCAC but I think they will be a very dangerous team at the SCAC Tournament.  Their problem is as the 2nd place in the West, they will be up against either DePauw or OU in the first round, a very tough way to start tournament action.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 04:38:26 PM
Halftime - Rhodes leads OU 42-40. Rhodes has played pretty consistent ball with balanced scoring - Hamilton and Smith have 8 each; Hoskins leads with 12. Long has about 6 rebounds. Oglethorp impresses me with their overall athleticism. The freshman Ward is a leaper and has 6 points, 2 baskets on jams.  He picked Cory Smith's pocket once for the 2nd dunk. This is the kind of game that could go either way. Rhodes likes the pace of the game. If they will defend a little better after they've scored, my prediction of Rhodes by 4 could hold up. Oglethorpe has an impressive corp of young players on which to build. Really like the Ward kid - he plays a lot bigger than 6'5" and has a wonderful 1st step. He's a match-up problem for a lot of SCAC teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 17, 2008, 04:47:27 PM
That's a fairly good evaluation of the young OU team.  Ward really does play above the rim and seems to be a matchup problem for most SCAC teams... minus Messenger from BSC who shut him down the other day blocking 3 of his shots- it was definitely something I haven't seen this year.

What's your take on next weekends games against Centre and Depauw...   Thanks again for the updates.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 04:49:54 PM
16:56 to go in 2nd half - Rhodes leads 51-40.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 17, 2008, 04:50:57 PM
The halftime score at Memphis shows that Rhodes is not a team that Millsaps can overlook at the SCAC Tournament (I think that matchup is already guaranteed).

The win by Millsaps today was their 21st, which ties for the 4th most wins in school history.  Some of you will remember the team from the mid-90's that won 25 games in 1994-05 and 22 games in 1995-96.  I feel certain that none of you remember the Bernie Ward coached team of 1940-41 that were "Dixie Champions" on their way to a 23-4 record or the B.O. Van Hook coached team of 1931-32 that went 21-8.  I wonder if they were still had the rule about doing a jump ball after every basket back in 1931-32?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 04:56:52 PM
Fast paced and OU has fought back to within 5 at the 14:11 mark. Ward is on fire, having scored 9 in the half on a combo of jumpers. (57-52)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 05:04:55 PM
OU 64-62 at 11;11 to play. Ward and Chaz Smith are making plays. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 05:15:13 PM
Rhodes 72 OU 72 6:38 to play. Correction - Eric Palmer not Chaz Smith has been assisting Ward - 5 3 pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 05:22:02 PM
Rhodes 78-76 with 3:34 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 05:26:36 PM
80-77 Rhodes with 2:24 left
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 05:31:24 PM
1:06 to go; Rhodes leading 84-81.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 05:35:52 PM
21 ticks - Rhodes up 85-81. Rhodes has possession in the front court. 10 fouls each now.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 05:38:43 PM
Final: Rhodes 89-83
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 17, 2008, 05:42:47 PM
Unfortunate letdown after a tough game in Birmingham.  Looks like OU will all but be assured the #3 seed from the east now and will open up against Trinity... could be an interesting game on a neutral floor.

I'm interested to see the box score.  In Atlanta Nick Watterson had a career game with 23 points- I doubt he had the same stat line but with the addition of Ward this is a game that OU should not have lost!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 17, 2008, 05:46:01 PM
Great game from what I could follow in the live stats at Trinity.  Millsaps survives foul trouble late and moves to 21-3, only the sixth time in school history dating back to 1911 that we've hit the 20-win mark.  The SCAC Tournament in 12 days is really cracking up to be a good one!  Read the Millsaps/TU release here.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/021708release.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 06:30:44 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on February 17, 2008, 05:42:47 PM
Unfortunate letdown after a tough game in Birmingham.  Looks like OU will all but be assured the #3 seed from the east now and will open up against Trinity... could be an interesting game on a neutral floor.

I'm interested to see the box score.  In Atlanta Nick Watterson had a career game with 23 points- I doubt he had the same stat line but with the addition of Ward this is a game that OU should not have lost!
It was a frenetic 2nd half at Mallory Gym and the refs allowed a lot of fouls and physical play the final 20 minutes.  I didn't get the final stats but Oglethorpe was definitely led by Joe Ward; he was the go-to guy the second half - think he had about 25 for the game.  He and Palmer were the energy guys for the Stormy Petrels today.  Just about every 3-pointer Palmer tossed up, regardless of distance, went in.  Rhodes was led by Cory Smith with 25; he played an outstanding game.  Hoskins had 23, and Hamilton had 10.  Cory Smith played one of his best games of the year of the games I have seen, and the style of play of OU makes isolation plays for Cory a big part of the Lynx's offense.  I came away from this game impressed with Ward.  He literally took over the game several times in the 2nd half, and he hit shots from both inside and outside the paint, including an occasional three.  He's a big-time player.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 06:36:43 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on February 17, 2008, 04:47:27 PM
That's a fairly good evaluation of the young OU team.  Ward really does play above the rim and seems to be a matchup problem for most SCAC teams... minus Messenger from BSC who shut him down the other day blocking 3 of his shots- it was definitely something I haven't seen this year.

What's your take on next weekends games against Centre and Depauw...   Thanks again for the updates.
I guess you can tell I like Joe Ward; he'll present a match-up challenge for both Centre and DePauw.  I'd guess that the best match for Ward on the Centre squad is TC Thomason; DePauw would likely counter with Brian Oilar.  I'll try to provide some other thoughts on these games later in the week prior to the weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 17, 2008, 06:38:44 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: SCAC Basketball Tournament)

I may have missed this discussion at some point, but is Charles Houston expected to return form his injury in time for the SCAC Tournament? Trinity is a vastly better basketball team with him in the lineup. IMO the Tigers would have won their last three home games if Chuck had played (U Dallas, Hendrix and Millsaps). I have seen all of Trinity's home games this season; believe me at full strength they could possibly run the three game Tournament Bracket at Hendrix. Defense wins Tournament Basketball.

                                                                                 ???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 17, 2008, 06:56:24 PM
If the standing in the East after next weekend are Centre, DePauw, Oglethorpe, and Rhodes, and in the west, Millsaps, Trinity, Hendrix, and SW, and I correct that Centre would play SW, and Oglethorpe would play Trinity in one bracket, and in the other bracket it would be Millsaps v. Rhodes and DePauw v. Hendrix.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 17, 2008, 07:14:13 PM
Just got the text message.... Todd Ward had 30 points and 6 boards.  Palmer went 5 of 5 from 3 for 15 points.  Hard to believe with those numbers that OU wasn't able to pull out the victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 17, 2008, 07:14:36 PM
Old Student/Athlete, you can go on the SCAC website today and the top headline is/are the brackets for the tournament in Conway.  From there, you can see if your thinking is correct... http://www.scac-online.org.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on February 17, 2008, 07:14:13 PM
Just got the text message.... Todd Ward had 30 points and 6 boards.  Palmer went 5 of 5 from 3 for 15 points.  Hard to believe with those numbers that OU wasn't able to pull out the victory.
The problem as I saw it was those were the only two guys that made any real contributions for the Stormy Petrels in the 2nd half.  Of course, Coach Ponder knew who was hot and made sure these players were getting the touches.  Rhodes was more balanced, and got enough big plays (mostly from Smith) and free throws down the stretch to pull it out.  Oglethorpe's pace of play (my opinion) is similar to the way Rhodes wants to play.  Oglethorpe normally executes it better than Rhodes, but today they were playing an improved team over the one they played at home earlier.  The Lynx are getting some key contributions from some of their younger guys now like sophomore Reid Hamilton and freshman Nathan Olie.  I might also mention that sophomore Jared Hoskins was big during a key stretch of the first half when the rest of the Rhodes team was cold; he scored a few 3's and made several nice drives to the basket for hoops.  Rhodes still makes bad turnovers and struggles with frequent defensive lapses, but their consistency of play over 40 minutes is better now.  They won't necessarily be a pushover in the tournament this time around.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 08:22:24 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 17, 2008, 03:10:37 PM
OS/A--No apology needed.  I do have a problem of posts that are too long and I can see how someone could scan them and pick up the wrong impression.  During football season it was a Millsaps fan who jumped all over me in a similar situation.

On how the SCAC teams rank, I truthfully hope you are correct.  The way polls are done with the general rule being that if you keep winning then you keep moving up, Centre has certainly done what it takes to be as high as they are.  I just don't think I would consider them the favorite to win on a neutral court against all but 1 or 2 D3 programs in the nation.  Likewise with Millsaps.

Speaking of Millsaps, I am concerned about the game at Trinity today, especially after Millsaps got off to a slow start at Southwestern on Friday.  At the moment Millsaps has started off well and they lead 22-16 after 9 minutes.  Live stats are at this link:  http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/livestats/xlive.htm

Before I comment, want to welcome OLD STUDENT / ATHLETE aboard - I believe we're already acquainted; it's good to have another opinion on the message board.

Frank, I don't disagree with you on the rankings.  Centre has been truly riding the wave, and #2 or #3 is likely an aberration because of the parity of play.  Colonels, in real terms are probably somewhere in the  10-15 range.  My phantom top 25 would have Millsaps at 22 this week.  So these teams are pretty close in my book.  I may be off base but there may actually be 25-30 teams capable of winning the big dance this year.  Millsaps and Centre can be in this mix.  DePauw may be close as well.  There are some other good teams in the SCAC too.  I came away impressed with what I saw of Oglethorpe today.  They may be a year away from a 20-win season, but they are good.  Trinity has struggled of late, but they're not operating at full strength right now.  What perhaps separates Centre from some of the other top SCAC teams this year is their ability to win the tight, tough games even when they're not playing at their best.  I do absolutely believe the other intangibles are the (1) senior leadership of Nestheide and Britt and (2) top quality coaching from Greg Mason & his staff.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 09:29:18 PM
Centre College senior basketball players Thomas Britt and Matt Nestheide have been selected by the College of Sports Information Directors (CoSIDA) to the ESPN The Magazine Academic All-District Basketball Team for their efforts both on the court and in the classroom.


here's the link on the centre website:

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/news/0708/mbb_CoSIDA_0708.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 17, 2008, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 17, 2008, 06:56:24 PM
If the standing in the East after next weekend are Centre, DePauw, Oglethorpe, and Rhodes, and in the west, Millsaps, Trinity, Hendrix, and SW, and I correct that Centre would play SW, and Oglethorpe would play Trinity in one bracket, and in the other bracket it would be Millsaps v. Rhodes and DePauw v. Hendrix.

Was having a chat with a few folks earlier this evening, and they proposed a thought to me, which I thought I'd submit to everyone.  DePauw's currently slated for Hendrix in the first round.  If you're DePauw, do you want Trinity on a neutral floor or Hendrix at home? I'm not too sure which one I want, honestly.  DePauw has had their struggles in Conway in the past couple of years.

As a side note, I don't think the draw matters that much.  Gotta play either Centre or Millsaps in the second round.  I don't want to play either one.  Darned if you and darned if you don't.  Not sure that's a giant factor in where you want to be seeded.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2008, 09:58:43 PM
Wes, are we sure Hendrix will be the #3?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 17, 2008, 11:08:21 PM
No, we're not.  Was just speaking in a hypothetical.  

There's only a half game seperating them from Southwestern.  Hendrix has just the Majors left on Saturday, while Southwestern has what you would imagine are two winnable games at home against Colorado and Austin.  But, an interesting thought none the less. 

The point is that it always seems like it's such a tough draw for the team who draws the home team in the first round.  8th seeded Rhodes beat 1st seeded Trinity two years ago in the first round behind a big, big crowd at Mallory-Hyde.

It is different now than it was then.  Now, I think I'd almost rather face the 2 on the neutral court than have to play the 3 in their building.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2008, 12:04:56 AM
Wes, we were thinking along the same lines except I was thinking that I'm glad the tournament isn't in Memphis this year.  As Rhodes has proven in the past, it's better to get them on a neutral court than to play them in Memphis.  I'm in your camp in thinking that drawing Hendrix isn't such a bargain.  It will be Hendrix playing Centre in the first round if Millsaps wins next weekend and Southwestern gets a sweep.  I would expect Centre to win but Centre only beat Hendrix by 10 at Centre so who knows.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 18, 2008, 06:52:50 AM
Hendrix is a very good team, and gave Centre all it could handle at Danville. I look for Millsaps to come out of their bracket with DePauw, as I think they may travel better when they're up for a game. De Pauw lost at Centre by 14 I believe, and the game was not that close. We all no how close the Millsaps game at Danville was. Hendrix in the first round at Conway scares me to death; I would much rather see Centre play SW. Is there a statement somewhere outlining what the parameters are for POTY,
and is that vote at the tournament or before.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 18, 2008, 09:12:03 AM
One interesting side note on whether Hendrix gets in as the #3 or #4 is the time of the games.

If the Warriors get the #3, they play at 8 PM.  If they get the #4, the schedule shows them playing at 1 PM.  It would seem the home court advantage would be much greater at an 8 PM Friday night start than it would an afternoon game.

Either way, let's not forget that last year was the first time in a long time the Warriors had even made the tourney, and this team is just a few years removed from being really bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2008, 09:27:40 AM
Frank, how do you think I feel if Hendrix is #4?  I'm pitting one child (my daughter graduated from Centre) against my son (a current Hendrix student). 
Seriously it would be a tough draw for Centre. The thing about a 1 pm game to keep in mind is this is. Hendrix's first crack at hosting so they'll try hard to fill the gym for those early games, too. Agreed an 8 pm game will draw more, but perhaps not as many more as we might speculate.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2008, 10:12:33 AM
pbrooks3, for you it is on a more personal scale, but it is similar to what Mississippians faced when Green Bay and the NY Giants were playing for a berth in the Super Bowl.  I really wanted Farve to get to the Super Bowl again and I wanted Eli to silence his critics by getting the Giants to a Super Bowl.  It's a no lose situation or a no win situation depending on how you want to look at it.

By the way, I hesitate to tell you this because of the old saying that power corrupts, but I believe you do have the power to give and take karma.  I think that ability comes when you hit the 200 post mark and you should see a link for "applause" and "smite" on each post.  That's for +1 or -1 karma.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 18, 2008, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 17, 2008, 11:08:21 PM

There's only a half game seperating them from Southwestern.  Hendrix has just the Majors left on Saturday, while Southwestern has what you would imagine are two winnable games at home against Colorado and Austin.  But, an interesting thought none the less. 


just a small correction...Southwestern is on the road for these two games, not at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2008, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 18, 2008, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 17, 2008, 11:08:21 PM

There's only a half game seperating them from Southwestern.  Hendrix has just the Majors left on Saturday, while Southwestern has what you would imagine are two winnable games at home against Colorado and Austin.  But, an interesting thought none the less. 


just a small correction...Southwestern is on the road for these two games, not at home.
Thanks, Jekelish.  I too, thought these were road games for Trinity and Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 18, 2008, 02:10:04 PM
Sorry for the mistake, folks.  My apologies.

New SOS #'s for this week:
TEAM                  REGION RECORD                  SOS RANK            OWP              OOWP       
Centre                     20-1                            194               .500             .499
Millsaps                   16-2                             267               .476             .496
DePauw                   14-4                            193               .500             .493


I think Millsaps is more in than they were last week, and obviously, DePauw is less in.  DPU's SOS goes up, which is the good news.  That fourth region loss sure hurts, though.  I believe DePauw is still in as of today, but they'd be one of the last teams to get a Pool C.  Need wins this weekend.  Badly.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2008, 03:06:40 PM
Wes, keeping in mind that any SCAC team hoping for an at-large bid will have one more loss on their record from the SCAC Tournament.  With that in mind, you might as well mentally add a loss to Centre, DePauw and Millsaps right now. 

Centre looks like a certainty, even if they just split this weekend.  Millsaps really needs to win against Hendrix to leave then at a maximum of 3 losses at the end of the SCAC Tournament, and I think you are right that DePauw has to win both this weekend to stay in the hunt. 

I heard today that Millsaps has put in a bid to host a regional and one possibility that isn't too unreasonable is a 4M regional--Millsaps, Maryville, Mississippi College and Mary Hardin Baylor.  It's obviously too early to start drawing up regional brackets, but that would be an interesting 4 team draw.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 18, 2008, 04:36:15 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2008, 03:06:40 PM
Wes, keeping in mind that any SCAC team hoping for an at-large bid will have one more loss on their record from the SCAC Tournament.  With that in mind, you might as well mentally add a loss to Centre, DePauw and Millsaps right now. 

That is true, Frank. 

But, I do think that if DePauw wins this weekend and can get to Sunday in the tourney (have to beat Millsaps), then they have a very good chance.  That would get them to 19-5 in the region.  I think that would be good enough.  Probably out if they lose this weekend, though.  Would be in a must win situation in the tourney then.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2008, 03:06:40 PM
Wes, keeping in mind that any SCAC team hoping for an at-large bid will have one more loss on their record from the SCAC Tournament.  With that in mind, you might as well mentally add a loss to Centre, DePauw and Millsaps right now. 

Centre looks like a certainty, even if they just split this weekend.  Millsaps really needs to win against Hendrix to leave then at a maximum of 3 losses at the end of the SCAC Tournament, and I think you are right that DePauw has to win both this weekend to stay in the hunt. 

I heard today that Millsaps has put in a bid to host a regional and one possibility that isn't too unreasonable is a 4M regional--Millsaps, Maryville, Mississippi College and Mary Hardin Baylor.  It's obviously too early to start drawing up regional brackets, but that would be an interesting 4 team draw.
Frank, you are counting on Mississippi College beating UMHB in Belton for the Pool A bid.  Mississippi College won't get a Pool C bid.

Maryville MO (SLIAC) was bussed to Clinton MS two years ago.  You might run your calculation on Webster (SLIAC Pool A bid) coming to Jackson.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2008, 05:49:44 PM
It would take a lot of things happening just right for the 4M tournament to happen.  I'm not even sure if they would put MC and Mary Hardin in the same regional.  Plus, I'm still not counting 100% on Millsaps being a lock for the tournament--I'll feel much better if they beat Hendrix this week.  Hendrix is capable of playing very well and Millsaps has had some less than average games at home, so there's some work to do if Millsaps wants to almost guarantee an at-large bid.  The game against Hendrix will be Senior Day at Millsaps and I don't think those guys will want to go out with a loss in their final regular season home game.

Talking about a team taking a hit to graduation, here's a list of the Millsaps seniors:  Lorenzo Bailey, Edrick Montgomery, Rodney Rogan, Allen Odum, and Deonte Oscar.  That's a lot of points, rebounds, assists and leadership that will have to be replaced in 2008-09.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2008, 06:41:10 PM
If they only qualify for Pool C, I'm liking Millsaps chances, particularly if they win against Hendrix and get at least one win at the conference tournament.  Those were two nice wins over the weekend in Texas. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 07:14:06 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2008, 05:49:44 PM
It would take a lot of things happening just right for the 4M tournament to happen.  I'm not even sure if they would put MC and Mary Hardin in the same regional. ...
UMHB went to Mississippi College for a first-round game against Maryville TN in 2007.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 18, 2008, 07:35:44 PM
Centre put in for a regional last year and didn't get it, and has applied again this year. If they win out, they should get it this year, and Capital and Wooster should be there again even if they don't win their conference tournaments. Defiance has a 3 or 4 game lead in the HCAC, and would replace Transy in that region. The Centre gym only seats 1500 but has many amenities, and where else can you get a cappucino double expresso latte.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 08:26:42 PM
That explains the football fortunes of the Centre football team.

They are just a bunch of cappucino double expresso latte wimps!

Trinity?  Real coffee, hot and lots of it! (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4753.4407)

"Make it an extra large, please!"

:D  ;)  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2008, 09:52:58 PM
It's good to see this week that two SCAC teams (Centre and Millsaps) are in the top 25, and one on the edge (DePauw).  Maybe by SCAC tournament time there will be 3!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 18, 2008, 10:48:10 PM
Centre #2 - Millsaps #24 - Depauw got the most points for a team not in the top 25 (31)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2008, 11:06:20 PM
Quote from: lammersk on February 18, 2008, 10:48:10 PM
Centre #2 - Millsaps #24 - Depauw got the most points for a team not in the top 25 (31)
Welcome aboard lammersk.  Come back often and keep the dialogue rollng.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 18, 2008, 11:11:35 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2008, 05:49:44 PM
It would take a lot of things happening just right for the 4M tournament to happen.  I'm not even sure if they would put MC and Mary Hardin in the same regional.  Plus, I'm still not counting 100% on Millsaps being a lock for the tournament--I'll feel much better if they beat Hendrix this week.  Hendrix is capable of playing very well and Millsaps has had some less than average games at home, so there's some work to do if Millsaps wants to almost guarantee an at-large bid.  The game against Hendrix will be Senior Day at Millsaps and I don't think those guys will want to go out with a loss in their final regular season home game.

Talking about a team taking a hit to graduation, here's a list of the Millsaps seniors:  Lorenzo Bailey, Edrick Montgomery, Rodney Rogan, Allen Odum, and Deonte Oscar.  That's a lot of points, rebounds, assists and leadership that will have to be replaced in 2008-09.

Frank, I think Millsaps is in with one more win this week. Their OWP and OOWP aren't great, but with just three regional losses they would get a bid. If MS College is able to win the ASC Tourney at UMHB, you could certainly see the 4M regional site in Jackson, but MC has lost their last two in Belton and the Crusaders would be a heavy favorite at home this year. A regional site with those four teams would be a lot of fun and good for DIII basketball in this area.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 18, 2008, 11:15:06 PM
First, even though my guys are struggling this year, I wanted to say how good it is to see all of the new enthusiasm on the SCAC board.  Nothing like winning to get people talking  ;)

Quote from: etg on February 17, 2008, 06:38:44 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: SCAC Basketball Tournament)

I may have missed this discussion at some point, but is Charles Houston expected to return form his injury in time for the SCAC Tournament? Trinity is a vastly better basketball team with him in the lineup. IMO the Tigers would have won their last three home games if Chuck had played (U Dallas, Hendrix and Millsaps). I have seen all of Trinity's home games this season; believe me at full strength they could possibly run the three game Tournament Bracket at Hendrix. Defense wins Tournament Basketball.

This from last Friday's Trinitonian {student newspaper}:

Though the Tigers are confident across the board they can continue to win without [Charles] Houston, there is a slim chance they won't have to do so. Houston had a walking-boot removed from his ankle on Wednesday, and is listed as day-to-day for this weekend's home SCAC contests against Hendrix College (Ark. 11-9, 4-7 SCAC) and SCAC Western division-leading Millsaps College (Miss., 18-3, 9-2 SCAC).

"It still hurts, to tell you the truth," Houston said. "I've been riding the bike and trying to stretch out the ankle and move it as much as I can, but right now I think it's going be a game-time decision. We're not going to rush it, but I'm going to try to go if possible."


Houston did not play in either game last weekend but if the article is accurate may return by the time the tourney gets underway. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2008, 12:50:29 AM
Does Houston really need to play this weekend?  TU has the tie breaker over Southwestern (head-to-head) in 2-way and three-way.  Hasn't TU clinched 4th?

Can TU beat AC and or Colorado College without him?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 19, 2008, 01:51:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2008, 12:50:29 AM
Does Houston really need to play this weekend?  TU has the tie breaker over Southwestern (head-to-head) in 2-way and three-way.  Hasn't TU clinched 4th?

Can TU beat AC and or Colorado College without him?

My amateur bracketology skills have revealed to me that Trinity is in the tournament regardless of what happens this week. They can certainly beat Colorado College without Houston, although that's more a comment on the sad state of affairs in the Springs than it is on Trinity's depth. The Austin game might be a little trickier - Houston's probably the guy on that team best equipped to guard Kola Alade.

Houston's a heck of a tough player - really a solid glue guy, always around the glass, tenacious defender and rebounder. TU needs him 100% for the tourney. I'd imagine they'll sit him this weekend.

FWIW... I think the most likely scenario has the final three slots in the West shaking out Trinity-Southwestern-Hendrix. I think SU gets the sweep this weekend and edges out Hendrix for that third seed. There are more scenarios that favor Hendrix landing the three, but most of those are contingent on them beating Millsaps, which I don't think is going to happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2008, 06:42:13 AM
What you say may happen but Austin has a ton riding on this weekend.  If they can somehow beat Southwestern and Trinity both, things would change. Southwestern has got some momentum from this past weekend and has the chance to finish strong. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2008, 09:13:25 AM
Renewing discussion on SCAC Player of the Year - did this past weekend's games generate any new thoughts on who should receive this award?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 19, 2008, 12:26:43 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2008, 09:13:25 AM
Renewing discussion on SCAC Player of the Year - did this past weekend's games generate any new thoughts on who should receive this award?

I don't think we've learned much of anything since the last time we discussed it.

King still leads in scoring and rebounding.  Moore's upped it to 17 and 6.4 assists per.  It's fairly likely he'll finish with an A/T over 2, unless he develops a case of the butterfingers up on the mountain this Friday.  Britt's still shooting 54% from the floor and 51% from deep.  I say again that his rate stats are neat (first in FG% first in 3%, first in FT%), but he scores less than Moore, passes less than Moore, gets fewer steals than Moore, and pulls down only .5 rebound per game more than Moore. 

But, then again, Nestheide won it last year and he didn't lead in a single statistical category.  Not one.  I think it's still close between Britt and Moore.  I think King's the best player in the league.  Flat out.  He does the most for his team.  But, he isn't on the best team, and neither is Moore. That may be a problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 19, 2008, 04:01:56 PM
I'm biased, but I think Britt should be a clear choice for POTY. I don't believe there has been a player in league history to finish first in % shooting for FG,FT, and 3Pt, which he leads in but still hasn't done with games left. Sure he doesn't pass as much as Moore or have as many steals, but with a pt. guard like Nesthide, he doesn't have to. I know without him, Centre would have 3-4 more losses. Moore is a great point guard, and is as equally valuable to his team as Britt and King. There are also intangibles such as senior leadership which are hard to measure, but those of you who have seen Britt play this year should have noticed his coaching and leadership qualities on the floor and on the bench. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 19, 2008, 04:40:28 PM
I don't think you can have a discussion about POTY without including Edrick Montgomery.  Being on a team with a lot of talented players, his numbers aren't where they were last year, but he has produced when needed--the big numbers on the road trip where Rodney Rogan was out, the huge effort to give Millsaps a chance on the road trip to Centre and DePauw, the big numbers the following weekend when he made the D3 team of the week for the 2nd week in a row.

We have discussed this subject over and over and certainly there are several worthy candidates.  I would be disappointed to have Edrick lose for the second year in a row when he has played so well over that two year stretch.  Just remember that Britt's 3-pointer that tied the Millsaps-Centre game was only a big shot because Millsaps had the lead, thanks in large part to a monster game by Edrick Montgomery.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2008, 04:46:53 PM
OLD STUDENT / ATHLETE makes valid points.  Actually the thing I really like about Thomas Britt is his ability to guard on defense. He generally gets the stopper's role against the opponent's best 1 or 2 and sometimes 3. Frequently he is giving away size in defending. What tenacity!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 19, 2008, 07:29:07 PM
I'd like to throw my 2 cents in to the discussion.

I've seen every player mentioned in the POTY race (Moore, King, Montgomery, Britt) and I would rank them in this order for the following reasons.

Montgomery- I think he effects the game more than anyone on this list... even though he plays with a ton of talent around him.  He puts up points, grabs rebounds and alters shots.

Britt- This kid posesses just about as much lead by example that I've seen in a while.  He's lightning quick yet plays under control, doesn't take bad shots (obviously check out the #'s) and does all the small things a team needs to win.

Moore- This is Moore's award to win... NEXT year.  He's the sparkplug that makes this team go.  For the past 2 years Coach Fenlon hasn't needed him to do anything but run the team with the supporting cast he's had.  Now that he needs him to score he scores- and leads the conference in assists.

King-  He is the one I'm least impressed with on the list.  King seems lethargic and unmotivated.  Yeah he puts up big numbers in the points and rebound category but I couldn't tell you why- maybe he's just in the right place at the right time.

Anyways those are just my thoughts on it.  Any of the top 3 could win it... kinda like the Heisman this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2008, 08:35:02 PM
I reopened this can of worms so I guess it deserves my assessment.

I've seen everyone play this year except Montgomery so I have to rely on Frank and others to expand the case for Montgomery in my mind. I know whenever I think of Millsaps my first thoughts are of Edrick Montgomery and how is Centre going to match up with him (and the answer to the latter is Centre can't!). I believe this is a statement in itself of what kind of great player he is and how valuable he is to his team - remember I did see him play several times last season. Big men probably get cheated a lot when it comes to the POTY award because they generally touch the ball less on the offensive end.
Help sell me Frank!

Moving on - King is solid, generally consistent and less flashy in the post than Edrick. Still of great value to his team despite not having superior athletic attributes. Rather than POTY for this season, I'd say he's the most improved from his sophomore campaign - better shooter and defender, less apt to make silly turnovers. He's going to be a serious POTY candidate for 2008-09.

On to the guards - Thomas Britt has had an absolutely dream year for a team playing at the top of their game most nights with plenty of guts. His statistics are tremendous.  But that's not what Britt is about. He's a winner and a team guy that's putting in a full effort every time out. Until his senior year, he was recognized more for his intangibles on the court. Honestly, he likely cares a whole lot less about POTY than an NCAA3 championship. My true belief is that he and Matt Nestheside collectively deserve this year's award, but that's not possible. These two seniors together are what make Centre the team they are. If you combined their stat lines and other attributes, they would be the POTY in my estimation.

Now to Mike Moore, as far as what one single player means to his team , he's the POTY for this season. Now if he blows a gasket in his performances in the final two regular season games, I reserve the right to change my opinion.  His numbers speak for themselves. Without him, DePauw might have been a very average team rather than 18-5 and fighting for a D3 tournament bid.  

That's the way I see it. I'm sure that this will stir up some differing opinions!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 19, 2008, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 19, 2008, 04:01:56 PM
I know without him, Centre would have 3-4 more losses. Moore is a great point guard, and is as equally valuable to his team as Britt and King. There are also intangibles such as senior leadership which are hard to measure, but those of you who have seen Britt play this year should have noticed his coaching and leadership qualities on the floor and on the bench. 

This is where I start getting really frustrated with this discussion.  Everybody talks about Britt being a great leader and a great person and a super neato cool dude and he's scrappy and gritty and hustles and is always in the right place and all this other intangible, unmeasurable mumbo-jumbo.  It's a fair argument and certainly worthy of some level of discussion, but are you telling me Moore doesn't do that?  Are you telling me King doesn't do that?  Are you telling me Montgomery doesn't do that?  If the answer is yes, are you sure? Does seeing each player once time this year (or even better, zero times) completely make up your mind that they don't do that?  I think Moore's a great leader.  The Centre guys think Britt's a great leader.  Frank thinks Edrick's a great leader and the Hendrix fan base think King's a leader.  It appears we're at a stalemate.

You can't say that one guy should win it for reasons that the other players may have on their resume as well.  I think Montgomery is an especially great leader for his group.  Just because he doesn't drop 18 & 12 on Night X has no bearing on that.  I think Moore does a fine job as the general and the vocal leader on the floor for his team, as well.  What about the way Britt does it makes him better than the other candidates? 

I've never said that Britt shouldn't win this award.  But, I'm still waiting for somebody to prove to me that he has some quality that others definitively lack before I anoint him.  Shooting the ball well is a start, but when the other candidates have attempted 80, 90, and 100 attempts MORE than Britt (Moore, Montgomery, and King respectively), how much does that count?  Heck, King and Moore shoot great percentages, too.  And they've attempted way more FG's.  Britt plays great defense.  Also a fair point.  Moore has more steals.  Montgomery's second in the league in blocks.  Does anybody see my point here?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 19, 2008, 10:24:57 PM
I've hesitated to join in the discussion because singing the praises of a specific player seems to do two things:  (1) By saying one person deserves the POTY, some will take that as being negative about their candidate.  (2) By talking about how valuable a person is to his team, it can sound a little demeaning to that player's teammates.

Let me just say about Edrick that it would be hard to think of a player being more valuable to his team than Edrick.  Most of you know that Millsaps isn't a very big team with Edrick being listed at 6'6", Rodney Rogan at 6'5", and Chris Sanders at 6'4", and the rest of the main players are guards.  That's one of the reasons Millsaps is being outrebounded by 2 per game--think what it would be like without Edrick's 9 per game.  In addition, Edrick is counted on heavily for defense in the middle, going against bigger players and knowing that he can't afford to get in foul trouble.

Also, keep in mind what happen when Rodney Rogan was injured in the Trinity game.  Prior to that injury, Rodney was playing well enough to be a POTY candidate.  After the injury, Edrick has really stepped up his game with some much needed performances:

Colorado College--28 points, 13 rebounds
Austin--22 points, 15 rebounds
Centre--34 points, 13 rebounds
DePauw--22 points, 9 rebounds
Rhodes--31 points, 15 rebounds
Birmingham--30 points, 13 rebounds
Austin--21 points, 12 rebounds
Southwestern--17 points, 9 rebounds

He has played well enough to be named to the D3 National team of the week twice.  He has led Millsaps, now a 21-3 team, in scoring in 10 of their 24 games (and 9 of their last 14) and in rebounding in 16 of those games.  As I said earlier, it is hard to imagine that there is another player who means more to their team and this is a team that could very easily be in the top 5 like Centre if this had been the year for Centre and DePauw to travel to Jackson.

In addition, and who knows if anyone will factor this into their thinking, maybe there should be some consideration for long term excellence in the league:

--Edrick came in as a sophomore and averaged 15.8 ppg and 8.4 rpg, 8th and 2nd in the SCAC.
--As a junior he averaged 17.1 ppg and 9.8 rpg, 2nd and tied for 1st in the SCAC.  Many people felt it was enough for POTY but Centre was 24-5 and Millsaps was 18-9.
--This year Edrick is averaging 15.9 ppg and 9.1 rpg, 6th and 3rd in the SCAC.

For three years Edrick has been near the top of the league in the two main areas that you look for in a center, scoring and rebounding.  While the award is "Player of the YEAR", maybe there should be some consideration for a player who has been such a factor for 3 straight years.

Pbrooks3, that's my attempt to try and sell you on Edrick.  I know that others here can make a strong case for their favorites, but this is just my argument in favor or Edrick and I don't plan on debating his pros and cons against the other players in the running.  Ultimately it won't matter what we all think; it will be what the 12 SCAC coaches think.  It won't be an easy decision.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 19, 2008, 10:50:30 PM
Just came back from watching a tremendous HS game in Louisville, and finished watching the Ky.-Ga. game on ESPN, and to no surprise when I checked the board, everyone was still talking about POTY. Everyone, including me, gets emotional about this award, because after watching your candidate play for 3-4 years, you feel like they're a member of your family, at least I do. Montgomery, Britt, Moore, and King would be a great addition to anyone's family. I don't think the coaches decision on POTY should upset anyone, because a valid argument can be made for each of the four. However, if I was going to rank them, it would be Britt, Montgomery, King, and Moore, and Moore 4th only because next year probably will be his year. We're very lucky in the SCAC to have such great young men!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2008, 11:52:33 PM
Wes, Frank and others, I ultimately chose Mike Moore because I think he individually brought more value to his team.  Another way of saying this is he contributed in more different ways to making his team better.  As OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE noted, all of these guys are deserving, and each of us has an opinion.  I'll end it at that. 

OS/A, what high school game did you take in?


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 20, 2008, 12:01:56 AM
Confidential! 2 D-III recruits there!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2008, 12:42:29 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2008, 11:07:38 PM
Ok Western Division bloggers, help figure things out for the 3rd and 4th seeds now that Hendrix has lost. There's a good chance three teams fighting for these slots could all end up 6-9. If Hendrix loses to Millsaps, Southwestern wins at CC, but loses at Austin, and Austin loses to Trinity than we have this scenario. Frank, sort this out for me so I don't have to go back to review earlier games.


Got a response from the SCAC office on the tiebreaker if the following occurs:

Trinity defeats Austin College
Southwestern defeats Colorado College
Millsaps defeats Hendrix
Austin College def. Southwestern

1 - Best record in head-to-head competition between the tied teams.

All teams are 1-1 against the other

2 - Divisional record.

Hendrix would be 5-5 in the West; Southwestern would be 4-6 as would Austin College

therefore, Hendrix would get the No.3 seed

now to break the Austin College/Southwestern tie:

3 - Divisional record against top teams in descending order.

Both went 0-2 against Millsaps
Both went 0-2 against Trinity
Both went 1-1 against Hendrix
Both went 2-0 against Colorado College

4 - Cross-divisional record.

Both went 2-3 against the East (don't count Birmingham Southern games)

5 - Cross-divisional record against top teams in descending order.

Both went 0-1 against Centre, DePauw and Oglethorpe
Both went 1-0 against Rhodes and Sewanee

Therefore, you are left with No. 6 to break the tie

6 - Coin flip.

Amazing if it all comes down to this!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 20, 2008, 12:53:04 AM
Can anybody tell me if Austin College does LiveStats?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2008, 01:06:29 AM
Quote from: JJFlash on February 20, 2008, 12:53:04 AM
Can anybody tell me if Austin College does LiveStats?

I don't think so.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 20, 2008, 09:37:27 AM
i should be able to post 5 or 6 updates from the southwestern games this weekend if anyone is interested...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2008, 10:09:05 AM
Quote from: d3allstar on February 20, 2008, 09:37:27 AM
i should be able to post 5 or 6 updates from the southwestern games this weekend if anyone is interested...
Yes, please do.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 20, 2008, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 19, 2008, 10:50:30 PM
However, if I was going to rank them, it would be Britt, Montgomery, King, and Moore, and Moore 4th only because next year probably will be his year.

So his eligibility status is held against him?  You're saying he shouldn't win it just because he's a junior? 

If that's so, should Nestheide have won it last year? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 20, 2008, 01:05:22 PM
i'll be able to post updates from AC this weekend as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 20, 2008, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 20, 2008, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 19, 2008, 10:50:30 PM
However, if I was going to rank them, it would be Britt, Montgomery, King, and Moore, and Moore 4th only because next year probably will be his year.

So his eligibility status is held against him?  You're saying he shouldn't win it just because he's a junior? 

If that's so, should Nestheide have won it last year? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 20, 2008, 05:55:14 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 20, 2008, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 19, 2008, 10:50:30 PM
However, if I was going to rank them, it would be Britt, Montgomery, King, and Moore, and Moore 4th only because next year probably will be his year.

So his eligibility status is held against him?  You're saying he shouldn't win it just because he's a junior? 

If that's so, should Nestheide have won it last year? 

I don't believe that Moore is on the same level with Britt, Montgomery, or King, but next year with the players in the league that graduate this year and from DePauw (they loose 3 starters), he will be the dominant player in the league. I think Nestide won last year because he and Montgomery were the dominant players in the league last year, and Nestide barely won POTY over Montgomery.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2008, 06:42:01 PM
I believe OS/A is shortchanging Moore's skills and value relative to the other guys. 

Curious as to how many of the regular posters on the SCAC board are making the trip to Conway for the tournament?  Hope to meet a few of you when I'm there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 20, 2008, 07:15:17 PM
PBrooks-Concerning Moore, perhaps you are right. I only see him play 3-5 times a year,twice during the regular season with Centre, and the rest of the time at the tournament which I always go to. He is probably more valuable to his team than Britt, because he's a point guard, but Britt backs up Nestide at the point also. In their head to head contact this year, Moore was 11-24 FG, 5-13 3pt., 10 assists, 8 turnovers, averaged 15 ppg and 37 minutes; Britt was 15-23 FG, 5-9 3pt, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, averaged 19 ppg, and 31 minuntes. Both great players, but they play different positions, and the most important statistic is, Centre won both games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 20, 2008, 07:27:59 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 20, 2008, 07:15:17 PM
In their head to head contact this year, Moore was 11-24 FG, 5-13 3pt., 10 assists, 8 turnovers, averaged 15 ppg and 37 minutes; Britt was 15-23 FG, 5-9 3pt, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, averaged 19 ppg, and 31 minuntes.

In the other games, Moore's done considerably better.  What's the point?  The two games they've opposed each other weigh more than the other 25 they play?

I asked this question earlier and never got an answer.  How does seeing one player playing against only one opponent once or twice count as forming a informed opinion on the best candidate?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 20, 2008, 07:29:02 PM
Not good news for the Majors this week in the region rankings.  They do not pass DePauw and they do not collect $200.  Perhaps they aren't "more in than DePauw" as I stated a couple of days ago.

1. Centre 21-1 16-1
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor 20-3 18-2
3. Guilford 19-4 18-4
4. Virginia Wesleyan 19-5 18-4
5. Maryville (Tenn.) 21-2 15-2
6. DePauw 18-5 15-4
7. Millsaps 21-3 16-2
8. Randolph-Macon 18-5 13-5
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 20, 2008, 07:49:24 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 20, 2008, 07:27:59 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 20, 2008, 07:15:17 PM
In their head to head contact this year, Moore was 11-24 FG, 5-13 3pt., 10 assists, 8 turnovers, averaged 15 ppg and 37 minutes; Britt was 15-23 FG, 5-9 3pt, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, averaged 19 ppg, and 31 minuntes.

In the other games, Moore's done considerably better.  What's the point?  The two games they've opposed each other weigh more than the other 25 they play?

I asked this question earlier and never got an answer.  How does seeing one player playing against only one opponent once or twice count as forming a informed opinion on the best candidate?

It doesn't, but the coaches who vote on POTY only see each candidate "once or twice" a year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 20, 2008, 07:52:39 PM
I won't be making it to Conway for the tournament... it always seems to fall on opening weekend for tennis and I'll be busy disposing of Piedmont, Methodist and Averrett on consecutive days.

I'm really excited that the game will be broadcast on a live video feed... with live stats... and a plethora of options to listen (DPU, OU and Trinity?).

This should be one of the best tournaments in a few years with lots of parity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 20, 2008, 08:48:17 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 20, 2008, 07:49:24 PM
It doesn't, but the coaches who vote on POTY only see each candidate "once or twice" a year.

Well, I've got a hunch who Greg Mason is voting for anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 20, 2008, 08:59:50 PM
wes-You know a coach can't vote for a player on his team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2008, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 20, 2008, 07:29:02 PM
Not good news for the Majors this week in the region rankings.  They do not pass DePauw and they do not collect $200.  Perhaps they aren't "more in than DePauw" as I stated a couple of days ago.

1. Centre 21-1 16-1
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor 20-3 18-2
3. Guilford 19-4 18-4
4. Virginia Wesleyan 19-5 18-4
5. Maryville (Tenn.) 21-2 15-2
6. DePauw 18-5 15-4
7. Millsaps 21-3 16-2
8. Randolph-Macon 18-5 13-5

Very disappointing.  Baseball, football and now basketball--I've just about come to the conclusion that Millsaps needs to win the AQ in order to get into the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2008, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 20, 2008, 07:27:59 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 20, 2008, 07:15:17 PM
In their head to head contact this year, Moore was 11-24 FG, 5-13 3pt., 10 assists, 8 turnovers, averaged 15 ppg and 37 minutes; Britt was 15-23 FG, 5-9 3pt, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, averaged 19 ppg, and 31 minuntes.

In the other games, Moore's done considerably better.  What's the point?  The two games they've opposed each other weigh more than the other 25 they play?

I asked this question earlier and never got an answer.  How does seeing one player playing against only one opponent once or twice count as forming a informed opinion on the best candidate?



It doesn't Wes.  No one is admitting that we're employing the scientific method.  I selected Moore on the basis of seeing him play one time, and listening to DePauw radio on 2 occasions.  I formed my opinion on the basis of what little I saw or heard, along with combing through stats, reading what I could on games, teams and players, picking up information from others on this message board, and my own basketball prejudices.  I suspect the rest of you use a similar approach for arriving at your choices.  That's why we leave it to a compilation by the coaches.  But as I said once before, it sure is fun to give one's opinion on the topic, even if it's considered uninformed by every other poster!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 20, 2008, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 20, 2008, 07:29:02 PM
Not good news for the Majors this week in the region rankings.  They do not pass DePauw and they do not collect $200.  Perhaps they aren't "more in than DePauw" as I stated a couple of days ago.

1. Centre 21-1 16-1
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor 20-3 18-2
3. Guilford 19-4 18-4
4. Virginia Wesleyan 19-5 18-4
5. Maryville (Tenn.) 21-2 15-2
6. DePauw 18-5 15-4
7. Millsaps 21-3 16-2
8. Randolph-Macon 18-5 13-5

Hard to believe that a 4-loss Depauw team would be ahead of a 2-loss Millsaps team in the regional rankings. Especially when looking at the RPI numbers posted earlier this week. I know DePauw has the head to head, but I wouldn't think it would be used with a 2-game advantage.

Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI    OWP    OOWP   School                       Natl Status      Reg Overall
SO  54   01   01   0.6101 0.5001 0.4989 Centre                          006  A w C       16-1 21-1
SO  51   02   02   0.5945 0.4832 0.5116 Mary Hardin-Baylor          014  A w C       18-2 20-3
SO  53   03   05   0.6074 0.5431 0.5251 Virginia Wesleyan            017  A w C       18-4 19-5
SO  53   04   04   0.6073 0.5403 0.5305 Guilford                          019  C 3         18-4 19-4
SO  54   05   06   0.5840 0.4756 0.4958 Millsaps                          024  C 6         16-2 21-3
SO  52   06   03   0.5817 0.4729 0.4986 Maryville (Tenn.)              030  B 1         15-2 21-2
SO  54   07   07   0.5698 0.5000 0.5016 DePauw                          049  C second    14-4 18-5
SO  53   08   08   0.5926 0.5592 0.5299 Randolph-Macon               054  C second    13-5 18-5
SO  51   09   11   0.5554 0.4870 0.5107 Mississippi College             066  C third     145 17-5
SO  53   10   09   0.5968 0.6127 0.5118 Roanoke                          070  C third     13-7 15-7
SO  53   11   13   0.5595 0.5193 0.5327 Washington and Lee          084              126 14-8
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2008, 11:47:20 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2008, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 20, 2008, 07:29:02 PM
Not good news for the Majors this week in the region rankings.  They do not pass DePauw and they do not collect $200.  Perhaps they aren't "more in than DePauw" as I stated a couple of days ago.

1. Centre 21-1 16-1
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor 20-3 18-2
3. Guilford 19-4 18-4
4. Virginia Wesleyan 19-5 18-4
5. Maryville (Tenn.) 21-2 15-2
6. DePauw 18-5 15-4
7. Millsaps 21-3 16-2
8. Randolph-Macon 18-5 13-5

Very disappointing.  Baseball, football and now basketball--I've just about come to the conclusion that Millsaps needs to win the AQ in order to get into the NCAA tournament.
Frank, Millsaps did not help themselves in their non-conference games.

Louisiana College (South Region 9-11, gives an OWP .450)
Rust College (South Region 7-7, gives an OWP .500)
Huntingdon (South Region, 6-11, gives an OWP .283)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2008, 11:52:45 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 20, 2008, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 20, 2008, 07:29:02 PM
Not good news for the Majors this week in the region rankings.  They do not pass DePauw and they do not collect $200.  Perhaps they aren't "more in than DePauw" as I stated a couple of days ago.

1. Centre 21-1 16-1
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor 20-3 18-2
3. Guilford 19-4 18-4
4. Virginia Wesleyan 19-5 18-4
5. Maryville (Tenn.) 21-2 15-2
6. DePauw 18-5 15-4
7. Millsaps 21-3 16-2
8. Randolph-Macon 18-5 13-5

Hard to believe that a 4-loss DePauw team would be ahead of a 2-loss Millsaps team in the regional rankings. Especially when looking at the RPI numbers posted earlier this week. I know DePauw has the head to head, but I wouldn't think it would be used with a 2-game advantage.

Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI    OWP    OOWP   School                       Natl Status      Reg Overall
SO  54   01   01   0.6101 0.5001 0.4989 Centre                          006  A w C       16-1 21-1
SO  51   02   02   0.5945 0.4832 0.5116 Mary Hardin-Baylor          014  A w C       18-2 20-3
SO  53   03   05   0.6074 0.5431 0.5251 Virginia Wesleyan            017  A w C       18-4 19-5
SO  53   04   04   0.6073 0.5403 0.5305 Guilford                          019  C 3         18-4 19-4
SO  54   05   06   0.5840 0.4756 0.4958 Millsaps                          024  C 6         16-2 21-3
SO  52   06   03   0.5817 0.4729 0.4986 Maryville (Tenn.)              030  B 1         15-2 21-2
SO  54   07   07   0.5698 0.5000 0.5016 DePauw                          049  C second    14-4 18-5
SO  53   08   08   0.5926 0.5592 0.5299 Randolph-Macon               054  C second    13-5 18-5
SO  51   09   11   0.5554 0.4870 0.5107 Mississippi College             066  C third     145 17-5
SO  53   10   09   0.5968 0.6127 0.5118 Roanoke                          070  C third     13-7 15-7
SO  53   11   13   0.5595 0.5193 0.5327 Washington and Lee          084              126 14-8
Please remember that the OWP and OOWP calculations by pabegg are only one of the criteria.  Do not accept this as the "be-all/end-all" to the process.

If you compare pabegg's table with the Regional Rankings, where a committee has sat down with the information and tried to give a reasonable assessment of the information, you see the difference.

I am glad that pabegg has run the numbers, but we have to realize that the bubble begins about "C12".

There are 17 Pool C bids that go to the the runners-up in 38 conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 21, 2008, 01:01:50 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2008, 11:52:45 PM
Please remember that the OWP and OOWP calculations by pabegg are only one of the criteria.  Do not accept this as the "be-all/end-all" to the process.

If you compare pabegg's table with the Regional Rankings, where a committee has sat down with the information and tried to give a reasonable assessment of the information, you see the difference.

I am glad that pabegg has run the numbers, but we have to realize that the bubble begins about "C12".

There are 17 Pool C bids that go to the the runners-up in 38 conferences.

Ralph, a question I would have regarding DePauw jumping Millsaps this week in the regional rankings is the RPI number in which Millsaps holds a definite advantage according to pabegg's numbers. Plus, Millsaps has a significanlty better winning percentage in region and in years past those two criteria were considered first even though there are other primary criteria. Millsaps has a couple weak out of conference games, but DePauw does as well and their OWP and OOWP numbers are not much better than Millsaps' numbers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2008, 04:50:46 AM
Ralph,

You have left out the win over U. of Dallas, not a powerhouse team, but another win in region.

Here's a list of the Millsaps non-conference games:

Pensacola Christian--Home--non D3 (I can't remember their exact designation)
Louisiana College--Home--D3
Rust College--Home--D3
Southeastern Louisiana--at Hammond, LA--D1
Pensacola Christian--at Pensacola, FL--non D3
Huntingdon--at Montgomery, AL--D3
Belhaven College--Jackson--NAIA
Loyola College of New Orleans--Jackson--NAIA
U. of Dallas--at Dallas--D3
Birmingham Southern--Home--D3 Provisional

Look closely at the schedule and you'll see one common theme--these are teams that Millsaps can play on an affordable budget.  The Dallas game was added to the tail end of the Colorado-Austin trip, an extra day on the road and the 3rd game in 4 days, but an effort to get in another D3 game.  The Pensacola Christian game was combined with the Huntingdon game to make a reasonable road trip.  The Southeastern Louisiana game is one that doesn't require an overnight stay, as are the Belhaven and Loyola trips when it comes time to play at their place.

The bottom line with the Millsaps schedule is the bottom line.  In a year when Millsaps already has required road trips of Colorado-Austin, Centre-DePauw, and Southwestern-Trinity, it's not like there is a lot of time or money left for long road trips out of the area.  Millsaps plays the available teams with the notable exception of MS College, a team they do scrimmage in the preseason.  An Millsaps-MC matchup is something that would have to happen early in the season because of ASC and SCAC scheduling, and I don't think that's a matchup that would be helpful to either team if it had to be played in the first weeks of the season.

We had this discussion during baseball season.  Millsaps plays a non-conference schedule that is affordable and it doesn't keep the players away from a lot of classes.  Millsaps can't cherry pick from a lot of South Region schools to build a better OWP and OOWP--they have to play the schools within a reasonable distance of Jackson and the options are limited.  Lately it seems like this limitation of potential opponents has come back to bite Millsaps when the NCAA starts running their numbers for at-large bids--that was certainly true in baseball last year and it is happening again this year in basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 21, 2008, 07:24:19 AM
Not only is their great expense and inconvenience in long away trips, but the stress on the student/athletes is horrible. Centre players are just beginning to recover from their trips to Trinity/SW and Austin/CC. I'm sure its the same situation for everybody that made those trips. Which brings me to the question of why did we bring in Colorado College. Are they the Harvard of the West? Are they the Duke or North Carolina of the West in DIII basketball? Certainly not. If the pres.' of our fine institutions want to expand, there are certainly some schools within a reasonable driving distance to all of us, that compare with Colorado College. Maybe the Pres.'
have plans to add hockey teams. Millsaps or any school should not be penalized for their schedule when they're thinking about the welfare of their students and their bank account, which ultimately effects the students. I believe the main reason DePauw is ranked higher in the Region (NCAA ranking), is that they are a household name in DIII, and have recent appearances in the NCAA tourn.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2008, 08:43:48 AM
Colorado College is in the realm of Trinity, DePauw and Southwestern, with respect to endowment.  They can afford the travel.

I think that the "household name" effect is slowly being "winnowed out" of the selection process, because of the objective criteria described in the Handbook.

The object criteria in the Handbook are what they are.  Millsaps is not penalized for their schedule.  There is no emotion or guilt in the ranking that mathematically derives from their schedule.  It is what it is.

Yes, the UDallas game was a good addition.  UDallas will benefit from that arrangement.  It is no secret that UDallas wants to be invited to the SCAC.  (Thanks for correcting the oversight.  :) )

Millsaps' plight is shared by the ASC.  Maybe you can get Louisiana College to be the 4th team in a "Classic Tourney".  The Belhaven and Loyola New Orleans games did not help.  I would love to ask a Selection Committee member if it helps an isolated team more to play a weak in-region foe or to play a challenging NAIA or D-2 that has no impact on primary selection criteria.  I will submit the question to Dave McHugh for his consideration for this week's Hoopsville.

Maybe UDallas can be invited to the SCAC when the SCAC moves to 16-teams in about a decade.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 21, 2008, 12:55:12 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 21, 2008, 07:24:19 AM
Which brings me to the question of why did we bring in Colorado College. Are they the Harvard of the West? Are they the Duke or North Carolina of the West in DIII basketball? Certainly not. If the pres.' of our fine institutions want to expand, there are certainly some schools within a reasonable driving distance to all of us, that compare with Colorado College.

This started long before Colorado joined the conference.  Heck, Trinity and Centre have been in this conference together for 20 years now.  It was already tough travel for Centre before that.  Still had to go to Texas and still had to go to Arkansas.  It was already tough travel for Hendrix and the Texas teams, too. 

Then they let DePauw and RHIT in the conference (9 hrs for Hendrix, OU, and Millsaps).  They added 2 geographic extremes at the same time.  Then when RHIT left, they added another geographic extreme in the opposite direction.  Long story short, it's been like this in this conference for a long, long time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2008, 09:07:06 PM
I've just about come to the conclusion that Millsaps needs to win the AQ in order to get into the NCAA tournament.

... just like every other team. There are no guarantees as an at-large.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 21, 2008, 07:24:19 AM
Millsaps or any school should not be penalized for their schedule when they're thinking about the welfare of their students and their bank account, which ultimately effects the students.

Instead, you're planning to punish teams that DO play a tougher schedule. Doesn't work.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2008, 02:31:06 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2008, 08:43:48 AM
Colorado College is in the realm of Trinity, DePauw and Southwestern, with respect to endowment.  They can afford the travel.
...

Maybe UDallas can be invited to the SCAC when the SCAC moves to 16-teams in about a decade.   ;)
So when does the SCAC add UDallas (which has added a Phi Kappa Gamma chapter) and Centenary LA (up from the Division I non-football Summit League (http://www.thesummitleague.org/), you know North Dakota State, Oakland MI, Southern Utah) to the West and Berry College GA and Berea College KY to the East?   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 21, 2008, 02:41:14 PM
Pat-I see what you mean! Ultimately, Millsaps needs to keep winning. If Centre wins their bracket at Conway, and Millsaps and DePauw are in the finals of the other bracket, and both have no more losses until then, I would think that the winner of that game regardless of whether they win the tournament, would get an at large bid. Am I too naive?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2008, 03:08:37 PM
OS/A, I don't think you're naïve. But don't assume that either Pool C candidate in the full scheme of things is in.  What Centre is doing this year as a "David" among "Goliaths" is refreshing and is good for D3 basketball. We know that not all programs and endowments are created equal - those are the facts of live. If Centre, and even Millsaps continue with strong stretch runs, perhaps both "Davids" will earn D3 berths which bodes well from a recognition factor throughout the land. We know it'll be hard to build strength of schedules among most SCAC member schools simply based on economic and geographic challenges. However, if Centre and/or Millsaps could take it deep into the D3 tournament, perhaps the SCAC will gain some additional respect beyond our so-called "Goliath" schools in sports. This is just another great testament to the fine jobs Coaches Mason and Wise are doing at their respective schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 21, 2008, 05:32:32 PM
So, any predictions for this weekend's slate of SCAC games?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2008, 05:46:13 PM
I want to be sure that everyone is clear on my comment about feeling like Millsaps needs to win the AQ instead of counting on an at-large bid, a comment I made about sports in general at Millsaps.

The Millsaps basketball schedule this year is made up of SCAC teams and teams that fit into the schedule because of financial and travel constraints.  Apparently those teams all combine to constitute a weak schedule by the NCAA criteria.  Last year in baseball the team played just about everyone they could play from Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana and Georgia.  Those teams combined with the SCAC schools were considered a weak schedule and that kept Millsaps from getting an at-large berth.  It wasn't the record of the Millsaps baseball team that was the problem, it was the record of their opponents.

The NCAA criteria, combined with the travel and financial limitations of the Millsaps teams, combined with the weakness of the D3 schools in the Millsaps area, combined with an SCAC schedule that apparently is deemed as weak, makes it very difficult for Millsaps to get an at-large berth.  I'm not really 100% certain that the football team would have gotten an at-large berth if they had won against MC, but who wants to discuss that subject again.

The rules are what they are, and the situation is what it is.  I get the impression that a Millsaps loss to Hendrix this Saturday will eliminate Millsaps from any chance of an at-large berth.  It also seems like a loss to Rhodes in the first round will eliminate Millsaps, so in essence Millsaps begins their NCAA Tournament feed-in play this Saturday.  Lose to Hendrix and you have to win three straight to get to the NCAA's.  Lose to Rhodes and the NCAA hopes for the season are over.  I hope the players fully understand what's at stake in these next two games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 21, 2008, 06:18:16 PM
Frank-Didn't Millsaps used to play Mississippi College. Having them on the schedule would help Millsaps' strength of schedule. I know Maryville always helped Centre's strength of schedule, but the game with them was canceled because of the death of one of their coaches in an accident. Early in the year Maryville probably would have beaten Centre, and maybe even now.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2008, 06:19:10 PM
I'll run my predictions later tonight or in the morning. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 21, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
Millsaps may need to win the AQ to get into the tourney, but in my opinion they are the most talented team I've seen this year in the SCAC.  Centre plays a better brand of basketball, but when the Majors are on, they are excellent.  Too much athleticism.

I say this fully aware of the fact that Centre won head to head.  Like I said, Centre plays a better brand of basketball.  Sometimes smart, fundamental basketball trumps athleticism.

However, if I were an opposing coach I'd be more afraid of Millsaps, because they are more difficult to match up with at this level.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 21, 2008, 08:19:10 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 21, 2008, 02:41:14 PM
If Centre wins their bracket at Conway, and Millsaps and DePauw are in the finals of the other bracket, and both have no more losses until then, I would think that the winner of that game regardless of whether they win the tournament, would get an at large bid. Am I too naive?

That scenario is not necessarily a given.  I could still forsee all 3 teams getting in.  DPU and Millsaps keep winning, Maryville makes a mistake in the GSAC, Va. Wesleyan makes a mistake in the ODAC and suddenly it's a whole different scenario.  It's still possible. 

On the other hand, the situation could present itself that the loser of that game could earn the bid over the winner of that game.  Remember, if Millsaps beats DePauw, they still only split their season series.  DePauw has a better record against Top 25 teams and the higher OWP and OOWP.  Millsaps has the better region record.  That game doesn't tell us much of anything other than changing the region record around.

To answer your question, I think we're still too far away to know exactly what that potential DPU/Millsaps semi-final will mean.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2008, 08:31:55 PM
Let's don't forget that at the moment it is about 50-50 that DePauw and Centre will be in the same bracket.  Maybe I should say the more likely scenario is that DePauw and Centre will be in the same bracket.

DePauw and OU are tied at 9-3.  If OU beats Centre on Friday then OU is the 2nd seed unless they have changed the tie breaker system.  Even if DePauw beats OU on Sunday to make the two teams tied, the head-to-head is even and then you go to who beat the highest ranked opponent.  That would be OU beating Centre.

If OU loses to Centre and then beats DePauw, then there is a tie for second (assuming that DePauw beats Sewanee) and OU wins the head-to-head.  It seems to me that OU is the second seed in the East if they just get a win this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 21, 2008, 08:42:04 PM
Assuming DePauw and Centre are in the same bracket, DePauw beats Centre in the semis and then beats Millsaps in the Finals. Do all 3 get in?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2008, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 21, 2008, 08:19:10 PM
...
On the other hand, the situation could present itself that the loser of that game could earn the bid over the winner of that game.  Remember, if Millsaps beats DePauw, they still only split their season series.  DePauw has a better record against Top 25 teams and the higher OWP and OOWP.  Millsaps has the better region record.  That game doesn't tell us much of anything other than changing the region record around.

To answer your question, I think we're still too far away to know exactly what that potential DPU/Millsaps semi-final will mean.
Point of clarification --
"Record versus Top 25" is not a criterion.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2008, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 21, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
Millsaps may need to win the AQ to get into the tourney, but in my opinion they are the most talented team I've seen this year in the SCAC.  Centre plays a better brand of basketball, but when the Majors are on, they are excellent.  Too much athleticism.

I say this fully aware of the fact that Centre won head to head.  Like I said, Centre plays a better brand of basketball.  Sometimes smart, fundamental basketball trumps athleticism.

However, if I were an opposing coach I'd be more afraid of Millsaps, because they are more difficult to match up with at this level.

Good post - agreed Millsaps is scary because they are so athletic.  Except for the Britt 3, they win the game at Danville earlier as we all know.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2008, 08:31:55 PM
Let's don't forget that at the moment it is about 50-50 that DePauw and Centre will be in the same bracket.  Maybe I should say the more likely scenario is that DePauw and Centre will be in the same bracket.

DePauw and OU are tied at 9-3.  If OU beats Centre on Friday then OU is the 2nd seed unless they have changed the tie breaker system.  Even if DePauw beats OU on Sunday to make the two teams tied, the head-to-head is even and then you go to who beat the highest ranked opponent.  That would be OU beating Centre.

If OU loses to Centre and then beats DePauw, then there is a tie for second (assuming that DePauw beats Sewanee) and OU wins the head-to-head.  It seems to me that OU is the second seed in the East if they just get a win this weekend.

Had to think about it for a moment; however, I think your assessment is correct. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2008, 10:26:26 PM
Friday, February 22

I like Trinity to pick up a win at Austin, probably by 5 points.  TU has leaked oil of late with injuries, but this weekend gives them a chance to build a little mo for the tournament.  I am going with a major upset at Colorado College with CC pulling out a 4 point win over Southwestern for their first victory.  Southwestern has been hitting their stride of late, but they're still trying to find the correct combination of players each game.  DePauw gets right back on the winning track by beating Sewanee by 12.  Mike Moore will score 20+ in this game.  Maybe the game of the night is in Atlanta with Centre prevailing against Oglethorpe by 7 points.  Oglethorpe has the troops to pull out a win, but Centre matches up well with the fast-paced Stormy Petrels and Centre continues playing solid defense & shoots a decent percentage for the win. 

Saturday, February 23

Colorado College's winning streak ends at one as Trinity wins by 13.  Good ballgame in Jackson between Hendrix and Millsaps.  I see Millsaps winning by 6 and creating 20 turnovers against the Warriors.  Look for a  head-to-head battle in the post with Montgomery scoring more points than King and King winning the rebounding war by one.  Birmingham Southern has been a bit of a Jekkle and Hyde team during the past several weeks so this could be a game for the taking by Rhodes.  However, I think BS wins by 8 with superior 3-point shooting.

Sunday, February 24

Southwestern's final game in Austin goes better than the one in Colorado Springs as they triumph by 6.  DePauw plays their best game of the season on the road by defeating OU by 13 points and getting revenge for the earlier loss in Greencastle.  Schott and Oilar play big, and DPU wins the battle of 3-pointers.  Centre struggles to the finish line on the mountain against an overmatched Sewanee group.  Centre breaks away in the final 2 minutes for a 4 point win.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 21, 2008, 11:29:53 PM
Maryville is a lock to go into the NCAA as a Pool B team so how it does Sat. (reg. season) and next weekend (GSAC tourney) should have no effect on how much the SCAC is represented.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2008, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 21, 2008, 11:29:53 PM
Maryville is a lock to go into the NCAA as a Pool B team so how it does Sat. (reg. season) and next weekend (GSAC tourney) should have no effect on how much the SCAC is represented.
Anyone have a rabbits foot or horseshoe? Not sure anyone wants to throw the "lock" word around! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 21, 2008, 11:53:46 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 21, 2008, 11:29:53 PM
Maryville is a lock to go into the NCAA as a Pool B team so how it does Sat. (reg. season) and next weekend (GSAC tourney) should have no effect on how much the SCAC is represented.

My mistake, friend.  Forgot they were a B.  I take it back.  That would make Millsaps the 3rd Pool C team in the South.  If VA Wesleyan or DePauw stumbles, they could become the second, which might be good enough.

Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 21, 2008, 08:42:04 PM
Assuming DePauw and Centre are in the same bracket, DePauw beats Centre in the semis and then beats Millsaps in the Finals. Do all 3 get in?

As each week goes by, I think this scenario is less likely.  The only way (in my opinion) would be for Millsaps to beat DePauw in the finals and not the other way around as you have mentioned.  DePauw has the better playoff case right now than Millsaps does.  If DePauw wins until the conference final, Millsaps just isn't going to get by them.  I think Millsaps would be in a must-win on Sunday in such a situation. 

DePauw's in good shape if they win out until the conference final.  That'd get them to 19-5 in region with a conference final loss, I believe.  I would be surprised if they got left out come Selection Monday if it happened that way.  They're no guarantee, but the numbers are sort of favorable for them.

Even if DePauw loses one this weekend and falls by the Pool C wayside for good, I just don't know about Millsaps, regardless of their effort in Conway.  I still believe that it's going to depend an awful lot on how the other conferences shake down.  The region rankings and the OWP #'s are hurting the Majors.  The question will be how many projected Pool A's lose and then snatch up Pool C bids.  If it's only a couple, all the better for Millsaps.  They'll have a really good chance then.  If it's more, well, let's not even bring it up.  The only way they'll know for sure is if they win the tourney and earn the A.

Again, we've got one more region ranking and two more weekends of funny stuff to iron out before the dust settles.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 22, 2008, 07:57:19 AM
With UW-Oshkosh's loss last night and a potential loss by UW-Platteville this weekend, and a win by Millsaps this weekend, they should move up in the Top 25; and DePauw should enter the Top 25 with a sweep this weekend. If Centre sweeps this weekend also, there (Millsaps and DePauw) regional ranking should also go up. I'm optimistic, I think all 3 will get in, unless either Millsaps or DePauw looses in the first round of the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 08:32:31 AM
I don't have the same optimism some of you have about getting in on a Pool C basis. I do hope I'm wrong. Probably the most likely scenario is 2 teams (the conference tourney winner-A and 1 team might make  Pool C from the SCAC). That is surely not a given though. As Wes noted, what occurs in other league tournaments will have a big bearing on our overall Pool C prospects.  I would like to think the Colonels get in even if they don't win the conference tournament. Centre's mindset, just like DePauw's and Millsaps' should be to win every game left and the tournament. In other words, don't leave the D3 tournament selection in the Pool C column.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 08:52:16 AM
If Wes is correct, then I guess I must be a huge OU fan for this weekend.  It would be hard to believe that a team like Millsaps would be denied a berth in the tournament because of two tough road losses to regionally ranked teams and then a loss in the SCAC tournament.  As I posted recently, I'm starting to believe that Millsaps is not a school that can count on an at-large bid in any sport.

Regarding this weekend, I enjoyed reading pbrooks3's predictions.  I'll refrain from predictions because I've been wrong most of the year in my picks.  I will point out the critical games of the weekend, which are many:

----Hendrix at Millsaps:  As mentioned earlier, a Millsaps loss probably means no at-large berth for Millsaps.  Hendrix is in a 3-way tie in the loss column for the 3-5 spots in the West.  A loss for Hendrix could easily mean that they are sitting out the tournament they host.

----Trinity at Austin--Southwestern at Colorado--Southwestern at Austin:  Big games for Austin and Southwestern in the battle to get into the SCAC Tournament.  

----Centre at OU:  Centre has clinched the #1 seed in the East and probably an NCAA berth, but they need to position themselves for a high seed in the NCAA Tournament.  For OU this game will clinch the #2 seed in the East (I believe) and I expect a big effort from their team.  The first meeting was a 12 point win by Centre after Centre led by 18 at the half, but that was on Jan. 4th.  I'm not sure how much each team has changed since that time.

----DePauw at OU:  This game is critical for DePauw if they want an at-large berth.  If OU falls to Centre, then this game will also determine the 2nd and 3rd seed in the East.  For reasons that are not 100% basketball talent related, I actually think that the better draw for the semi-final might be Centre instead of Millsaps, so maybe being the 3rd seed in the East isn't so bad.  We can get into that next week.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 22, 2008, 09:19:23 AM
Just to clarify, Hendrix is already in on the men's side - they own the in-division tiebreaker in any scenario between Southwestern and Austin and since SU and AC play each other, one of them is guaranteed to have nine losses, which is the worst that Hendrix can do.

Check out this week's Hoops Weekly (always available on Tuesday from the SCAC front page)

http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/021808mbasketballreport.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/021808mbasketballreport.pdf)

All men's slots for the tourney are clinched except the final position in the West.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 10:23:46 AM
Thanks for the clarification--as I reread my post I had a vague feeling that someone was already in because of the tiebreaker situation.

With that in mind, what becomes important about Hendrix in the West is where do they end up in the seeding.  I'm not sure if there is an easy draw in the tournament, but we have seen in the past that being the #1 seed and drawing the host team in the first round is not a good break.  Hendrix played at Centre a month ago with Centre winning 69-59.  Centre had a 12 point lead at the half, Hendrix cut the lead to 2 with 15:22 remaining, and then Centre built the lead back to about 8-10 for the rest of the game.  King finished that game with 19 points and 14 rebounds in 28 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 22, 2008, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2008, 10:26:26 PM
Friday, February 22

I like Trinity to pick up a win at Austin, probably by 5 points.  TU has leaked oil of late with injuries, but this weekend gives them a chance to build a little mo for the tournament.  I am going with a major upset at Colorado College with CC pulling out a 4 point win over Southwestern for their first victory.  Southwestern has been hitting their stride of late, but they're still trying to find the correct combination of players each game.  DePauw gets right back on the winning track by beating Sewanee by 12.  Mike Moore will score 20+ in this game.  Maybe the game of the night is in Atlanta with Centre prevailing against Oglethorpe by 7 points.  Oglethorpe has the troops to pull out a win, but Centre matches up well with the fast-paced Stormy Petrels and Centre continues playing solid defense & shoots a decent percentage for the win. 

Saturday, February 23

Colorado College's winning streak ends at one as Trinity wins by 13.  Good ballgame in Jackson between Hendrix and Millsaps.  I see Millsaps winning by 6 and creating 20 turnovers against the Warriors.  Look for a  head-to-head battle in the post with Montgomery scoring more points than King and King winning the rebounding war by one.  Birmingham Southern has been a bit of a Jekkle and Hyde team during the past several weeks so this could be a game for the taking by Rhodes.  However, I think BS wins by 8 with superior 3-point shooting.

Sunday, February 24

Southwestern's final game in Austin goes better than the one in Colorado Springs as they triumph by 6.  DePauw plays their best game of the season on the road by defeating OU by 13 points and getting revenge for the earlier loss in Greencastle.  Schott and Oilar play big, and DPU wins the battle of 3-pointers.  Centre struggles to the finish line on the mountain against an overmatched Sewanee group.  Centre breaks away in the final 2 minutes for a 4 point win.

OUCH!!!!
I hope you are wrong so I can see my boys play in Conway!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 22, 2008, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 22, 2008, 07:57:19 AM
With UW-Oshkosh's loss last night and a potential loss by UW-Platteville this weekend, and a win by Millsaps this weekend, they should move up in the Top 25; and DePauw should enter the Top 25 with a sweep this weekend. If Centre sweeps this weekend also, there (Millsaps and DePauw) regional ranking should also go up. I'm optimistic, I think all 3 will get in, unless either Millsaps or DePauw looses in the first round of the tournament.

Now do keep in mind that while you make a fair point here, the Top 25 isn't a selection criteria.  That won't help or hurt the case for anyone.

Again, everything I've said in my last few posts is simple conjecture on my part based on how I evaluate the selection criteria.  I'm not sure I know exactly what's going to happen since this is the first year for OWP and OOWP.  I could be miles off base here.  I did feel like I had a pretty good knack for it the last couple of years. 

I always thought that it seemed the committee leaned heavily on the region record and region rankings.  The old QoWI didn't seem to make or break a team's case in the past in most cases.  Does that change this year?  Can't say that I know for sure.  We're all going to find out together, I think.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 01:39:20 PM
Region rankings were influenced heavily by QOWI, however. One year we ran the numbers of the Pool C teams taken and those left out and only one team that was left out had a higher QOWI than any of the teams selected.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 06:03:12 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 08:52:16 AM
----Hendrix at Millsaps:  As mentioned earlier, a Millsaps loss probably means no at-large berth for Millsaps.  Hendrix is in a 3-way tie in the loss column for the 3-5 spots in the West.  A loss for Hendrix could easily mean that they are sitting out the tournament they host.
 

Frank, I think Hendrix gets the 4th seed at worst.  Since there is a head-to-head this weekend between Southwestern & Austin, one of those 2 teams can finish no better than 6-9, and I'm pretty sure Hendrix owns the tie-breaker.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: d3allstar on February 22, 2008, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2008, 10:26:26 PM
Friday, February 22

I like Trinity to pick up a win at Austin, probably by 5 points.  TU has leaked oil of late with injuries, but this weekend gives them a chance to build a little mo for the tournament.  I am going with a major upset at Colorado College with CC pulling out a 4 point win over Southwestern for their first victory.  Southwestern has been hitting their stride of late, but they're still trying to find the correct combination of players each game.  DePauw gets right back on the winning track by beating Sewanee by 12.  Mike Moore will score 20+ in this game.  Maybe the game of the night is in Atlanta with Centre prevailing against Oglethorpe by 7 points.  Oglethorpe has the troops to pull out a win, but Centre matches up well with the fast-paced Stormy Petrels and Centre continues playing solid defense & shoots a decent percentage for the win. 

Saturday, February 23

Colorado College's winning streak ends at one as Trinity wins by 13.  Good ballgame in Jackson between Hendrix and Millsaps.  I see Millsaps winning by 6 and creating 20 turnovers against the Warriors.  Look for a  head-to-head battle in the post with Montgomery scoring more points than King and King winning the rebounding war by one.  Birmingham Southern has been a bit of a Jekkle and Hyde team during the past several weeks so this could be a game for the taking by Rhodes.  However, I think BS wins by 8 with superior 3-point shooting.

Sunday, February 24

Southwestern's final game in Austin goes better than the one in Colorado Springs as they triumph by 6.  DePauw plays their best game of the season on the road by defeating OU by 13 points and getting revenge for the earlier loss in Greencastle.  Schott and Oilar play big, and DPU wins the battle of 3-pointers.  Centre struggles to the finish line on the mountain against an overmatched Sewanee group.  Centre breaks away in the final 2 minutes for a 4 point win.

OUCH!!!!
I hope you are wrong so I can see my boys play in Conway!!

I'm been wrong on many predictions and I realize this is a bit of stretch with the way Colorado College's season has gone to date.  Just have a premonition that things might go their way tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 08:19:21 PM
I can't seem to get the feed from Oglethorpe to work.  Anyone else having problems or is the game just starting late? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 08:19:21 PM
I can't seem to get the feed from Oglethorpe to work.  Anyone else having problems or is the game just starting late? ???
Need to run it through Quicktime.  Your settings in Quicktime (Advanced Settings) need to be:

Transport Protocol:   HTTP
Port ID:  80


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 08:34:54 PM
All of which I am doing.  No luck.  Guess I'll just have to wait and hear the game after they've archived it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 08:36:38 PM
Centre is up 30-20 at the half.  The announcer said OU had missed 6 free throws in a row down the stretch, with 2 being on 1-and-1's.  That's not the way to pull off an upset.  OU has been playing a 2-3 zone and they did several substitutions where they put in 5 new players.  

The first 15 minutes were fairly close, then OU missed a few and Centre hit a few and the lead ballooned to the largest of the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 08:40:03 PM
Stormy Petrels are employing a zone defense.  Fortunately in the first 20 minutes OU is struggling from the field and foul line.  Centre is up 30-20.  Chris Bentley has come off the bench to can two 3's and Rob Matthews and Ryan Crowdis got one each.  Nestheside and Britt ended the first half by each hitting a deep 3, Britt's coming as the horn went off.  Not a great shooting half for the Colonels, but they managed a few key offensive rebounds and shut down Oglethorpe in last several minutes before the half.  Centre needs to keep the hard-nosed defense going.  Oglethorpe can't be expected to stay cold for the last 20 minutes of this contest on their homecourt.  It will be a dogfight to the finish.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 08:45:00 PM
Quote from: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 08:34:54 PM
All of which I am doing.  No luck.  Guess I'll just have to wait and hear the game after they've archived it.

I was able to get on with no problem.  You probably did exactly the same as I did, but here were my steps:

1)  Went to this link:  http://www.oglethorpe.edu/athletics/listen_live.asp

2)  Went down the page to the listen link by the Men's basketball game and I clicked on that.

3)  That brought up a small window that had the Stormy Petral logo with a yellow background.  I had to click on the logo to get the window to come up that actually does the broadcast.

Like I said, you probably have done the same.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 08:45:22 PM
Quote from: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 08:34:54 PM
All of which I am doing.  No luck.  Guess I'll just have to wait and hear the game after they've archived it.
We'll try to keep ypu posted throughout the 2nd half to fill you in on what's happening in this contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 08:49:31 PM
Oglethorpe has the first 6 points of the second half.  Centre leads 30-26.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 08:50:37 PM
17:59 left and 30-26 Centre.  Timeout Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 08:51:13 PM
OU scores first 9 points of half.  30-29 with just over 17 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 08:52:54 PM
Colonels 32-29 with 15:50 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 08:53:45 PM
32-31 Colonels at the 15 minute mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 08:56:14 PM
35-33 inside the 14 minute mark with Centre leading.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 08:58:23 PM
Noll hits a 3 for for a 4-pt lead.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:00:10 PM
Centre 43-37 at 10:35  mark of 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:07:50 PM
6:20 to go: Centre leads by 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:09:27 PM
Centre leads 50-43 at the 5 minute mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:14:31 PM
54-49 Centre with Matthews scoring at 3 minute mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 09:14:45 PM
About 3 minutes to play, Centre up by 4, Ward going to the free throw line.

Ward makes ft--3 point game.

Centre gets bucket on other end.

At 3 minutes mark Center hits 3.  Now a 2 point game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 09:16:03 PM
just under 2 to play--Centre up by 3 with the ball and they just called a timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:16:37 PM
57-54 Centre with less than 2 minutes to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:18:25 PM
60-57 Centre with under a minute.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 09:19:44 PM
57.3 seconds--Centre with ball and 3 point lead
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 09:21:40 PM
Centre "hits a prayer" with one second to go on shot clock (chris gower).  Center up by 6 with 22 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:22:02 PM
Freshman, Chris Gowers has hit 2 big 3's in the late going to get the Colonels ahead 63-57 with 22 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 09:23:40 PM
18.3 seconds--Centre with ball and 4 point lead--time out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 09:25:41 PM
Ugly game so far in Sherman...Trinity leads 18-10, both teams are turning it over and neither is shooting too well...the difference so far: Trinity, while not shooting well overall, is 4-4 from three.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:26:45 PM
65-59 Centre as Thomason hits 2 free throws with 11 seconds to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2008, 09:28:18 PM
Final 65-59.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 22, 2008, 09:31:14 PM
Thanks for the updates, gentlemen.  Sounds like it was a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 09:32:17 PM
Thanks guys. I appreciate the blow by blow.

BTW Depauw up on Sewanee 27-19 (I can listen to this one - it's Real).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:33:03 PM
Centre wins 65-59.  22 in a row.  OU put up a tough fight playing a style of basketball they don't normally like to play.  Centre hit some critical shots at big moments of the 2nd half to keep Oglethorpe from seizing the lead.  Freshman Chris Gowers with his 2 late three pointers is tonight's hero.  Colonels were 8-15 from 3 in the 2nd half (14-32 for the game for 3's).  It's a tribute to the Stormy Petrels tough-nosed play in the 2nd half that the game was very tight throughout the final 20 minutes.  Great road win for the Colonels!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
At half Depauw 32 - Sewanee 26.  Pretty good game so far. Sewanee pushing Depauw and Sewanee's fans are annoying Depauw's announcers.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:41:35 PM
Being a Centre guy, I must compliment the audio folks from Oglethorpe.  I thought the 2 fellows called a good game.

This was a balanced night from Centre.  Several unsung players contributed big to this win, particularly Mr. Chris Gowers.  Other reserves making big plays were Chris Bentley (two 3's in the 1st half) and Rob Matthews (two 3's).  Danny Noll hit three 3's in the second half in big moments to extend small leads.  It was actually a fairly quiet night for the seniors, Nestheside and Britt along with junior, TC Thomason.  Contributions from a lot different players makes this a great team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 09:42:45 PM
Quote from: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
At half Depauw 32 - Sewanee 26.  Pretty good game so far. Sewanee pushing Depauw and Sewanee's fans are annoying Depauw's announcers.  :D
Guess Realplayer works better than Quicktime?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 09:47:11 PM
32-28 Trinity leads at the half...Tigers are 6-11 from three.  For AC, Kola Alade has 13 points...the Tigers are having trouble keeping anyone in front of him.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 09:49:09 PM
Realplayer is working perfectly.  All I ever got from the Quicktime stream were the picture ads.  Oh well, I was able to play Oglethorpe's archives and hopefully the game will be available in a day or so I can listen to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 22, 2008, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
At half Depauw 32 - Sewanee 26.  Pretty good game so far. Sewanee pushing Depauw and Sewanee's fans are annoying Depauw's announcers.  :D

Aw, they aren't annoying us... we're just having a little fun with their propensity to chant everything. It's like that one beer commercial where the guys go around turning everything into a four-syllable chant. "TRI-BAL! ARM-BAND! TRI-BAL! ARM-BAND!"

Tight game thus far. DPU is playing well but Sewanee won't go away.

Centre's win sets up DPU-OU as winner-takes-it-all ('it' being the 2 seed in the East) on Sunday, regardless of what happens on the Mountain tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 10:03:03 PM
Quote from: hendrixfan on February 22, 2008, 09:31:14 PM
Thanks for the updates, gentlemen.  Sounds like it was a good game.
As Assistant Coach Booker noted, the Centre boys made the plays when they needed to tonight.  Oglethorpe played their hearts out in the final 20 minutes tonight.  Everytime OU made a run to cut the lead to a single possession, the Colonels were able to answer with a key basket.  I think that's the mark of a pretty decent team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 10:12:21 PM
41-34 Trinity leads AC, 12:46 remaining...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 10:14:59 PM
Depauw 56 - Sewanee 36.  This game is over.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 10:17:51 PM
Trinity keeps knocking down the threes...another deep one to make it 47-36 with 9:50 to play.  Both teams are really struggling from inside the arc...both are shooting 35% overall, but are shooting well from outside.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 10:24:44 PM
AC cut into the lead, and again Trinity answers with a deep 3 to extend the lead...51-39 with 6:41 to play.  The Tigers are hitting .529 from deep right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 10:26:18 PM
Make that .556 from deep...54-39 with 6 to play...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 10:27:18 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 10:24:44 PM
AC cut into the lead, and again Trinity answers with a deep 3 to extend the lead...51-39 with 6:41 to play.  The Tigers are hitting .529 from deep right now.
Keep us posted, partner!  Sounds like it's been a pretty decent game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 10:30:38 PM
23-22 Southwestern with 5 minutes to go in the first half at Colorado Springs.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 10:31:21 PM
56-45...3:44 left, Trinity with the ball...Kola Alade has been unstoppable but has 4 fouls...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 10:32:39 PM
3:08 left...58-47 Trinity...

Alade with 24 to lead all scorers so far...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 22, 2008, 10:35:56 PM
Depauw wins 66-51 over Sewanee.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 22, 2008, 10:37:23 PM
I was at the Centre/Oglethorpe game tonight and although Gowers did hit a big three late in the game, it was Thomas Britt who hit the shot-clock beating heave with two guys in his face that proved to be the back-breaker for the Petrels.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 10:39:51 PM
1:14 remaining, 61-49 Trinity, with the ball and in the double bonus...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2008, 10:42:07 PM
62-49 with 55 ticks left...pretty much over here, but stranger things have happened...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 10:42:43 PM
Quote from: scacsid on February 22, 2008, 10:37:23 PM
I was at the Centre/Oglethorpe game tonight and although Gowers did hit a big three late in the game, it was Thomas Britt who hit the shot-clock beating heave with two guys in his face that proved to be the back-breaker for the Petrels.
Thanks scacsid for setting the record straight for those like myself who were following the game via the web.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 10:44:22 PM
If 20 minutes made a ballgame I'd have my upset call of the night - Colorado College is leading 31-29 at the half!
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 11:22:35 PM
CC by 4 with 9:30 remaining.
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Post by: d3allstar on February 22, 2008, 11:36:09 PM
SU down 5 with 5 min left...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 11:40:21 PM
CC leading 69-65 with 3:18 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 22, 2008, 11:44:03 PM
i feel like dumb for posting so much with live stats up. sorry guys.  ???
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Post by: d3allstar on February 22, 2008, 11:45:18 PM
http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/webcasts/mbasketball/xlive.htm
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Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2008, 11:47:25 PM
Quote from: d3allstar on February 22, 2008, 11:44:03 PM
i feel like dumb for posting so much with live stats up. sorry guys.  ???
Quote from: d3allstar on February 22, 2008, 11:45:18 PM
http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/webcasts/mbasketball/xlive.htm
+1 and thanks for the link!  :)
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Post by: d3allstar on February 22, 2008, 11:50:25 PM
BUCS WIN!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2008, 11:52:25 PM
Tough, but good win for Southwestern in the mountains.  Know you're happy about this one d3allstar!  I think you'll beat Austin to finish the season and go into the tournament on a nice streak for a young team.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 23, 2008, 12:04:55 AM
I was at the OU/Centre game.. very good game.. good atmosphere especially late in the game.. didnt think Centre played particularly well.. but i cant believe how many big shots they hit late in the game.. every time OU hit a basket to cut the lead to 2 or 3 points.. Centre responded with a huge shot with the shot clock winding down.. thats what great teams do.. they find a way to win close games on the road.. OU played a very tough game.. they played their hearts out.. hopefully they'll have enough left for Depauw on Sunday.. seeding in the tournament could be a huge deal in deciding how the tournament turns out..

also.. i think Thomason from centre is a heck of a player.. he is super athletic but he plays very poised and under control.. he is also very fundamentally sound and crashes the boards like he's 6'8 or 6'9
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2008, 12:09:28 AM
As I mentioned before the Colonels didn't shine tonight with their leading players.  One player who played well tonight below the big stat line was Matt Nestheide.  He only scored 5 points with 1-5 from the field.  But he pulled down 8 rebounds and dished out 7 assists, no turnovers and 1 steal.   
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Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 23, 2008, 08:39:40 AM
pbrook3-Player of the game for Centre should be Rob Matthews. Rob was one of the top Kentucky HS players when Centre recruited him, and he is showing his potential this year, and especially in the last month. At 6-4 who plays 6-7 or 6-8, he was 3-4 fg, 2-2 3pt., 3 reb. and 1 assist in 13 minutes against Oglethorpe. Congrats to Rob on a fine game;Centre will need him down the stretch!
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Post by: vozdelospetrels on February 23, 2008, 09:17:52 AM
The Centre vs. Oglethorpe game last night was awesome; the atmosphere was great, and both teams played great basketball. I had not seen Centre play until last night but I was impressed. They're not physically imposing but they play some of the best team basketball I've ever seen. Every player on that team can step out and knock down the three, especially clutch 3's. I was pleased to see OU compete pretty well against them. Tomorrow should be a great game with OU and DePauw. I see that being another hard fought game...I'm not gonna make any other predictions though. Go Petrels.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2008, 10:52:39 AM
Appreciate the perspective of you Stormy Petrels fans that were at last night's game. Hearing the game ain't exactly seeing the game!  I think it was Wes Anderson that posted last week that what makes Centre tough is they almost always patiently take good shots. Doesn't mean all shots are going in the basket, but it increases the chances the ball is going down when you generally have a bunch of good shooters like the Colonels.

I think Thomas Britt likes to make clock-beating 3's for extra drama. Two of his three 3-pointers last night were of that variety. The first was a shot that just beat the 1st half horn giving Centre a 10-pt halftime lead. The other was in the late stages of the game when he hit a 3 to just beat the 35-second clock. These late possession 3's can really deflate a defensive unit when they've defended a solid possession and then BOOM! 

The other point I'll make is OU played a good game, shooting the ball quite well in the 2nd half. They came out in the 2nd half and erased most of the Colonels lead in a matter of 3-4 minutes. It was deliberate, nip and tuck basketball from that point forward. I credit Coach Ponder on his defensive scheme - the zone and the deliberate style of play was OU's best shot at stealing a win, and only some remarkably timely shooting at critical stages by Centre kept Oglethorpe from achieving their goal.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2008, 11:27:10 AM
Postscript to my earlier mention of the Centre-OU game. I wasn't being critical of the audio on the web from the Oglethorpe announcers when I said listening is not the same as viewing the game. You fellows calling the game actually were good eyes for those of us listening. Really just wanted to recognize the additional comments from those who were in attendance last night. Thanks to all of you.
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Post by: Major_Fan on February 23, 2008, 05:19:21 PM
Millsaps up 45-30 with 15:00 left to play.
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Post by: Major_Fan on February 23, 2008, 06:17:23 PM
Majors take care of Hendrix 78-55 to end home slate 14-0.

Box: http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-022308.htm
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2008, 06:55:30 PM
OS/A, we're in Sewanee tonight for the game tomorrow.  Any thoughts on a place to eat on the mountain for dinner?
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Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 23, 2008, 07:31:54 PM
Mi Casa is always a favorite on tennis trips... as well as the 4-seasons (a good country buffet)- if it's open.  If you want something a little more fancy there is a place called Pearl's?  I think.  if you've heading to the interstate from school it's on your right, kind of a bed and breakfast place but REAL good food. 

Shenanigans is also a fun place to go... it's on the main drag on the outskirts of campus.

For directions to any of these just google Sewanee restaurants and they all show up...
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Post by: DPULefty22 on February 23, 2008, 08:12:53 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2008, 06:55:30 PM
OS/A, we're in Sewanee tonight for the game tomorrow.  Any thoughts on a place to eat on the mountain for dinner?

Three words:

Jim. Oliver's. Smokehouse.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2008, 09:11:50 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi8.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa38%2FF_L_E%2FMisc%2520Photos%2FBlogger%2520Photos%2FIMG_0906Large.jpg&hash=043c022dfdf3d50e6eb1ba40f24833af31c63819)

It was the last regular season home game for 5 Millsaps seniors today.  Pictured from left to right are:  Allen Odum, Rodney Rogan, Lorenzo Bailey, Deonte Oscar, and Edrick Montgomery.  Those who have seen them play know about their talents on a basketball court.  I can tell you that they are talented and outstanding young men off the court as well.  They will be greatly miss once the season finally ends.

There were two things at the start of today's game that might seem small to some, but I thought they were very big.  First, Deonte Oscar has missed the second half of the season with a knee injury and he dressed out today and started the game.  Millsaps won the tip, called time out, and put in a sub for Deonte.  It was nice to see him on the court if only for 3 seconds.

The second thing that caught my eye and hopefully the attention of others was the sportsmanship of the Hendrix team during a short pregame ceremony that honored the Millsaps seniors.  Instead of sitting on their bench waiting for the opening tip, they stood and applauded when the Millsaps seniors were introduced.  I thought it a very classy display by the Hendrix coaches and players.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2008, 10:09:32 PM
FlightofthePetrel, thanks for the tips - 6 of us had a nice meal at Pearl's. We're fortified and ready for basketball tomorrow!
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Post by: hendrixfan on February 23, 2008, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2008, 09:11:50 PM
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The second thing that caught my eye and hopefully the attention of others was the sportsmanship of the Hendrix team during a short pregame ceremony that honored the Millsaps seniors.  Instead of sitting on their bench waiting for the opening tip, they stood and applauded when the Millsaps seniors were introduced.  I thought it a very classy display by the Hendrix coaches and players.

Frank, I think the Hendrix players were standing so they could hear!
Too bad there were no microphones for the pregame ceremonies.  The Millsaps campus looked really nice, but the basketball facility wasn't too impressive.
We're also proud of the team for standing and applauding the Millsaps seniors, but they may just be looking forward to not playing against those guys anymore!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 23, 2008, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on February 23, 2008, 08:12:53 PM
Three words:

Jim. Oliver's. Smokehouse.

We may have our quarrels on this board, but I'd never willingly attempt to poison anyone as you have attempted to do here, partner.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2008, 11:21:25 PM
Hendrixfan, apparently the PA system went out prior to the women's game.  I was in the gym about 30 minutes prior to tipoff for the ladies and the music was playing, but then the PA system just quit--maybe in protest of the pregame music that was being played.  Good luck to your team in the tournament.
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Post by: DPULefty22 on February 23, 2008, 11:27:55 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 23, 2008, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on February 23, 2008, 08:12:53 PM
Three words:

Jim. Oliver's. Smokehouse.

We may have our quarrels on this board, but I'd never willingly attempt to poison anyone as you have attempted to do here, partner.

Things done changed since the last time you made your way to the Smokehouse, Wes.  ;D Can't say I'd recommend the ribs, but I had a couple of palatable meals at the Smokehouse this weekend.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2008, 11:40:58 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on February 23, 2008, 11:27:55 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 23, 2008, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on February 23, 2008, 08:12:53 PM
Three words:

Jim. Oliver's. Smokehouse.

We may have our quarrels on this board, but I'd never willingly attempt to poison anyone as you have attempted to do here, partner.

Things done changed since the last time you made your way to the Smokehouse, Wes.  ;DCan't say I'd recommend the ribs, but I had a couple of palatable meals at the Smokehouse this weekend.
We'll check on the Smokehouse for breakfast if that's ok. 

Doesn't count on this board, but I called another correctly tonight in D1 with Memphis taking it on the chin to Tennessee.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 24, 2008, 04:57:47 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2008, 10:09:32 PM
FlightofthePetrel, thanks for the tips - 6 of us had a nice meal at Pearl's. We're fortified and ready for basketball tomorrow!

Pbrooks... glad you enjoyed the meal... there's not much up on the Mountain but the people at Pearl's sure do a fine job. 

I'm glad you picked my Vols to win last night... that was a heckuva game!
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2008, 08:38:50 AM
D3allstar, what do you see happening this afternoon between Southwestern and Austin. The Pirates are on a nice little winning streak after a hard-fought win in Colorado. Both teams today have a lot at stake.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 24, 2008, 09:05:30 AM
With the win yesterday, Millsaps finished the regular season with a very impressive 22-3 record.  That record included a loss to a D1 team (Southeastern Louisiana) and 5 wins that were non-D3 (NAIA Belhaven and Loyola, Pensacola Christian twice, and Brimingham Southern).  That leaves a 17-2 record with the two losses coming on the road trip to Centre and to DePauw.

If you believe that there is such a thing as home court advantage because of not having to travel, familiarity with the gym, fan support, familiarity with how the refs call the game, etc, then it is easy to believe that Millsaps would be 24-1 and 19-0 right now if this was the year that Centre and DePauw came to Millsaps.  But it wasn't that year, and to me it looks like the difference in being #1 in the South Region and #7 in the South is primarily the timing of the SCAC schedule.  It's a shame that something so small can make such a huge difference but that's just a good break for Centre and a bad break for Millsaps.

Under normal circumstances, I'd like to pull for DePauw today so the SCAC keeps alive the chances of getting 3 teams in the NCAA Tournament.  But given the way the NCAA formula seems to work, I have to hope that OU gives DePauw a loss and maybe 5 regional losses will be enough to drop DePauw below a 17-2 Millsaps team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2008, 09:27:16 AM
The important thing so far is that Millsaps is taking care of business. I think the Majors with their talent and teamwork have an excellent shot at capturing the Pool A at the SCAC tournament, and if not they're still in the running for Pool C. There will be a lot posturing and prognosticating this week nationally on who will get the Pool C's, and I don't profess to have a crystal ball on this topic. In my biased opinion, Millsaps is deserving of a Pool C selection.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 24, 2008, 09:30:49 AM
In the top 25, which I know is not the regional rankings, Nos. 16,20,22, and 25 have lost since last weekend, so Millsaps should move up in the top 25, and De Pauw if they win  today, should enter the top 25.  Hopefully that would get them some additional votes in Wednesday's regional ranking.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 24, 2008, 09:42:56 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2008, 08:38:50 AM
D3allstar, what do you see happening this afternoon between Southwestern and Austin. The Pirates are on a nice little winning streak after a hard-fought win in Colorado. Both teams today have a lot at stake.

i agree. i'm sure both teams will be fighting hard. because of our defense, if we come out shooting well i think we will take it. powell and caplan are coming around and if they find thier stroke i think we can beat anyone. (forgive my bias). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 24, 2008, 01:05:33 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 24, 2008, 09:30:49 AM
In the top 25, which I know is not the regional rankings, Nos. 16,20,22, and 25 have lost since last weekend, so Millsaps should move up in the top 25, and De Pauw if they win  today, should enter the top 25.  Hopefully that would get them some additional votes in Wednesday's regional ranking.

The Top 25 rankings will have no influence on the regional rankings. The ranking process is outlined in the handbook and the regional committees follow the handbook criteria. The rankings almost 100% of the time go by regional winning percentage and now the RPI number, instead of QOWI, gathered from winning %, OWP and OOWP. If the RPI number is close, a team with a worse regional record can jump someone based on head to head or record vs regionally ranked teams, but normally the winning % will be very close. That's why I was so surprised to see DePauw ahead of Millsaps. Two more regional losses is a huge difference considering Millsaps apparently leads in the RPI number as well.

I think the SCAC has Centre and Millsaps in the NCAA Tourney regardless what happens from here on out. For Millsaps to get left out, I would think that 6-7 highly ranked regional teams in other regions would have to lose and take up available Pool C spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 01:55:50 PM
In Sherman, AC leads 11-5 in a very low scoring game with 8:20 left in the first half...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 02:12:43 PM
21-20 Southwestern leads at the half.

Katy Williams has 13 rebounds already.  She's been a freakin' machine on the glass.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2008, 02:16:06 PM
Women's game? and not the AC men's?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: interstate17 on February 24, 2008, 02:19:28 PM
I think the the Rhodes Mens and Womens Basketball teams have a great chance at finishing big in the SCAC tournament this year, they have both had an up and down year, but they seem to putting the pieces to the puzzle together just in time for the tournament. I know the SCAC is filled with some great teams, but Rhodes will be a underdog going in, so they have nothing lose and thats dangerous!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 02:24:56 PM
Yes, halftime of the women's game.  Game was delayed 35 minutes due to a sick ref, so we're just about to start the second half of the women's game.
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Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 02:26:07 PM
D'oh...just realized I'm posting this in the men's forum.

Nice moves by me.
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Post by: DPULefty22 on February 24, 2008, 02:50:03 PM
DPU 35-34 at half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 24, 2008, 03:14:01 PM
ou 48, dpu 45, 11:24 left
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 03:35:01 PM
AC/SU men's game just about to tip off...
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Post by: DPULefty22 on February 24, 2008, 03:36:03 PM
OU 61, DPU 58, 1:04 left
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Post by: d3allstar on February 24, 2008, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 03:35:01 PM
AC/SU men's game just about to tip off...

thanks... i'm watching ur updates!!
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Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 03:46:09 PM
AC leads 10-7 with 14 left in the 1st...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 03:49:44 PM
15-12 with 11:28 left, AC leads...Alade already has 13...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 03:50:45 PM
Make it 17-12...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 03:52:44 PM
19-12, 10:05 left...timeout Southwestern...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2008, 04:03:20 PM
DePauw and Oglethorpe are in their second overtime tied at 73.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 04:05:03 PM
28-24 SU leads with 3:35 left...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 24, 2008, 04:05:53 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 04:05:03 PM
28-24 SU leads with 3:35 left...

a lil run for the pirates?? who is scoring? anything noteworthy? THX!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 04:16:01 PM
36-32 Southwestern leads at the half.  The Pirates are white hot from deep...7-11 including a last second attempt from just about halfcourt, and shooting 57.9% overall.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 24, 2008, 04:38:20 PM
Centre 37-15 with 4:40 to go in first 1/2.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 04:39:15 PM
42-38, 14:39 left...Southwestern leads.  Powell has 12 for them, Alade has 18...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 04:40:51 PM
42-40 SU leads, 13:10...and correction, Alade has 19...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 04:42:41 PM
Timeout on the floor...still 42-40, 12:48 left.  SU is shooting 53.8% from deep but has cooled off a bit so far this half...AC is only shooting 38.9% from the field and isn't getting to the line much, but is creating a lot of turnovers and getting extra shots...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2008, 04:44:40 PM
Centre leads at half 37-21. Noll has 11 pts; 6 rebounds for Centre. Pursell leads Sewanee with 9 pts and 7 rebounds. Centre came out like gangbusters and got up by 22 before letting up on the gas.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 24, 2008, 04:45:17 PM
That was probably the most exciting basketball game I've seen in some time.

Oglethorpe beats Depauw 76-70 in 2 OT.  Shaheed erupts for a huge day on Senior Day, recording 29 points and 9 rebounds.  Freshman Joe Kennedy has a great all aroudn day with 11 points 9 rebounds and 6 assists.  

Depauw made it interesting all day constantly answering OU runs with bigs 3's by Moore, Oilar and Lemasters.  Don't have the stats but Schott had to have had a big day.  Congrats to Oglethorpe on an amazing season so far... for a team picked to finish 7th in the SCAC this year.

Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 24, 2008, 09:05:30 AM
Under normal circumstances, I'd like to pull for DePauw today so the SCAC keeps alive the chances of getting 3 teams in the NCAA Tournament.  But given the way the NCAA formula seems to work, I have to hope that OU gives DePauw a loss and maybe 5 regional losses will be enough to drop DePauw below a 17-2 Millsaps team.

Thanks for the pictures earlier this year Frank... I'm glad Oglethorpe could give something back to you ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreColonels on February 24, 2008, 04:45:50 PM
Is the Centre-Sewanee game being broadcast anywhere? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 04:46:49 PM
46-44 AC leads, 10:50 left...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 04:48:13 PM
48-44 AC leads with the ball...10:02 left...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 24, 2008, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 04:48:13 PM
48-44 AC leads with the ball...10:02 left...

Keep the updates coming!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 04:55:57 PM
55-48 AC with 6:39 left...Adam Bishop scored 11 straight for the 'Roos, and then Arron Mewbourn got a steal and fed Chris Sturtevant for an easy bucket on the break to make it a 7 point lead...timeout Southwestern...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 05:01:06 PM
57-56...4:30 left...'Roos on top...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2008, 05:02:23 PM
Centre leads 47-26 with 16:53 in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 05:06:16 PM
And we're all square at 59-59 with 2:39 left here in Sherman...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 05:11:16 PM
63-59, 48 seconds...Alade at the line for two...AC leads...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 05:12:31 PM
Alade hits both to make it 65-59...he's got 25 in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2008, 05:12:43 PM
Centre up 61-31 with about 10 minutes to play. Looks like 23 in a row to be recorded for the Colonels.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 05:15:09 PM
65-61 AC leads with 38 seconds left...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 05:19:27 PM
16 seconds left...AC 66, SU 64...Bishop on the line for one shot to potentially make it a 3 point game, SU calls timeout...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 05:23:21 PM
AC leads 67-64, SU has the ball after a controversial call...AC appeared to have a timeout on a rebound, but a ref came in from halfcourt and overruled it, calling a travel as Alade fell to the ground...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2008, 05:25:29 PM
DePauw coach Bill Fenlon is one of our scheduled guests on Hoopsville tonight. Listen in!

http://www.d3hoops.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on February 24, 2008, 05:25:49 PM
how much time?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 05:29:20 PM
69-64 final, AC wins...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 24, 2008, 05:30:11 PM
Good job jekelish.  Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2008, 05:37:16 PM
Centre wins 82-50. All kid on Centre's team scored today. Pursell led Sewanee. Noll had 14; Britt 12 for Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 24, 2008, 05:50:16 PM
so apparently AC won the coin flip??
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 24, 2008, 05:55:01 PM
I noticed Chris Sanders didn't play in Millsaps Hendrix game... any word on that?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 06:05:30 PM
Yep, AC won the coin toss and will get the last spot in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JJFlash on February 24, 2008, 07:51:46 PM
I was at the Trinity - Colorado College game last night and wanted to post a few things.  First, Charles Houston is back for Trinity and looking good.  On the other hand, Mike Gilb did not play and was on crutches.  I don't know what the prognosis is for him, but I hope the Tigers can be at full strength for what should be a GREAT tournament in Conway.

Second, and maybe more important, is I would like to give big props to the Colorado College team.  As most of us on this board know, they did not win a game all year.  Last night's game was tied at half time, but Trinity came out and went on a 17-2 run to start the second half.  At that point, CC could have just mailed it in given the way the season and the game have gone.  If they had mailed it in, no one would haved blamed them.  Istead, to the credit of the CC players and coach they DID NOT MAIL IT IN and cut the lead to as little as 3 points.  They were hustling right to the final buzzer.  Well done!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 24, 2008, 08:10:05 PM
Chris Sanders didn't play for medical reasons.  He should be healthy for the weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 24, 2008, 08:20:41 PM
SCAC Men's Tournament bracket is set:

http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/2008mbasketballbracket.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/2008mbasketballbracket.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2008, 09:11:14 PM
Just a few comments on today at Sewanee - Centre played the 1st 10 minutes of this game with total focus and purpose. In that time, they'd built a 20+ pt lead and never looked back.  They played some incredibly stout defense, getting turnovers and easy baskets. Every player on the squad contributed to the victory. I believe this represents like 23 straight SCAC wins over the course of 2 seasons. This coupled with the undefeated regular SCAC season and the 23 game streak of wins to date make this a very special Centre squad. I'm sure others will lift up great SCAC teams from the past when I say this Centre team is tops ever in terms of regular season performance. A great feat by a tremendous team with an outstanding coaching staff.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 24, 2008, 09:17:38 PM
Quote from: scacsid on February 24, 2008, 08:20:41 PM
SCAC Men's Tournament bracket is set:

http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/2008mbasketballbracket.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/2008mbasketballbracket.pdf)

This is going to be an exciting weekend in Conway!  Good luck and safe travel to all the teams and fans.

Also, to follow up on what JJ said, Colorado College fought really hard and its too bad they didn't pick up a victory this year.  That is going to be a tough road trip in the future.  Those guys should be proud of their efforts.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 24, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
The draw at the SCAC Tournament:

Bracket 1:
Centre vs. Austin  AND  DePauw vs. Trinity

Bracket 2: 
Millsaps vs. Rhodes AND Hendrix vs. Oglethorpe

There was a post recently about how Rhodes has really improved over the course of the season and that fact is not lost on the Millsaps team.  Rhodes is 4-3 in February with the 3 losses being on the road at Millsaps, Centre and DePauw.  The wins have been home wins over Sewanee and Oglethorpe, and road wins over Hendrix and Birmingham Southern.  No doubt this is a game that Millsaps should win, and it is also a game that Rhodes could win.

On the Oglethorpe vs. DePauw game that went into double overtime, I know that was a heartbreaker for the DePauw players.  The Millsaps team and fans know what it is like to lose a tough one like that on the road and I don't have a lot of joy in seeing a team lose a game like that.  At the same time, it was a great weekend for the Oglethorpe team, one that could have been spectacular by changing a few plays on Friday or also heartbreaking by changing a few plays today. 

If I could write the script for the SCAC Tournament, I would want DePauw over Centre in the semifinals and Millsaps over DePauw in the championship, with that being enough to get all three teams into the NCAA playoffs.  Maybe the more likely way to get three in the playoffs would now be DePauw over Millsaps in the finals, but there's no way I could pull for that.  Besides, there's no guarantee that a 1-0 weekend by Millsaps will put them ahead in the regional rankings over a DePauw team that went 1-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2008, 10:41:57 PM
Caught in stand-still traffic on I-40 between Nashville and Memphis awaiting an accident to be cleared. I think the DePauw-Trinity 1st round game might be a great game to watch. I wouldn't automatically chock up a win for  DePauw here. Trinity's style of play frequently gives both DePauw and Centre fits. I honestly think there are 6 teams that have a chance at winning - DPU, Millsaps, Centre, OU, Trinity and the host, Hendrix.  Though, Frank, I think your Majors may have the best path to the finals. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2008, 11:59:39 PM
not suggesting it WILL happen...but don't be shocked if the 'Roos upset Centre...they hung awfully tough with the Colonels when the two teams squared off earlier this year (68-62 Centre, very tight game all the way through).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2008, 08:32:04 AM
Jekelish, great win and luck of the draw for Austin to make the tournament. You're right that the Roos gave Centre a tough game in Sherman. I am counting on the Colonels to be focused on playing this 1st round game and not get caught up in their successful season or potential later round games. We've witnessed 1st round surprises before in the SCAC. Though I've discounted the idea of Austin and Rhodes winning this tournament, both are still very capable teams with momentum to do damage and make me sound stupid. I don't expect one of them to win the tournament, but who knows?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 25, 2008, 11:11:17 AM
Some stats from the first AC/Centre game...

Halftime score was 22-21 in favor of the Colonels, who then hit 7-of-10 from deep in the second half and outscored the 'Roos 46-41 after the break.

Three players for Centre had double figures in that second half, with Thomason scoring 14 after the break, Noll scoring 11 (3-of-3 from deep), and Britt scoring 10.

For the 'Roos, Sturtevant scored 14 of his 22 after halftime and Alade scored 10 of his 17.  Alade was only 5-of-17 from the field and didn't hit a three that game...that considered, it's a testament to how well the rest of the team performed when their top player struggled to find his shot.  Sturtevant came up huge, hitting 8-of-14 (2-of-3 from deep) and grabbed seven boards.

Big difference in that first game: CC shot 50% from the field, AC shot 38.5%.  AC won the battle on the boards 32-30, and forced the Colonels into 19 turnovers. 

Should be a good game if the first meeting is any indication...wish I could make the trip to Conway.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2008, 01:06:57 PM
Based on your post jekelish, I think I'm glad we're playing on a neutral court.  Actually you've played at the new gym at Hendrix once; Centre has not.  This gives you an advantage on the familiarity front.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2008, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: hendrixfan on February 24, 2008, 09:17:38 PM
Quote from: scacsid on February 24, 2008, 08:20:41 PM
SCAC Men's Tournament bracket is set:

http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/2008mbasketballbracket.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/2008mbasketballbracket.pdf)

This is going to be an exciting weekend in Conway!  Good luck and safe travel to all the teams and fans.

Also, to follow up on what JJ said, Colorado College fought really hard and its too bad they didn't pick up a victory this year.  That is going to be a tough road trip in the future.  Those guys should be proud of their efforts.

It was tough sledding for Colorado College; I think they played almost all of their SCAC opponents particularly tough at home during the season, and any one of these games could have gone the other way.  Centre struggled big-time there and got a good challenge throughout the game.  I will bet right now that Colorado College will have several wins in the 2008-09 season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 25, 2008, 01:23:41 PM
Looking at the 1st round, I imagine most people would pick Centre over Austin and Millsaps over Rhodes, while pointing out that Austin and Rhodes are capable of an upset if Centre and Millsaps do not play up to their capabilities.

The more diverse opinions will come on the Oglethorpe vs Hendrix and Trinity vs DePauw:

Oglethorpe won at Hendrix 71-70 in the only meeting between the two teams.  That was on 1/20/08.  Oglethorpe has a 10-3 record at home and is 6-6 on the road.  Hendrix at 13-11 is not too far away from the 16-9 of Oglethorpe.  Hendrix played well in Texas two weekends ago and poorly at Millsaps Saturday--maybe Millsaps had something to do with that but I didn't think Hendrix had much intensity.  They will be intense this Friday, but I think Oglethorpe will ride the momentum of this past weekend to a first round victory.

DePauw and Trinity only played once with DePauw winning a close one at Trinity, 70-68.  When Trinity had Houston healthy, they came very close to beating Centre and DePauw in the same weekend.  Houston is back playing, I don't know if he is 100%, but apparently Mike Gilb is injuried.  I think this will be a very good game and I can see Trinity winning if they are hot on the 3-point shots, but DePauw has won 9 of their last 11 and I see them winning this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2008, 01:43:20 PM
Hendrix should definitely be fired up to play well.  The thing about Hendrix that concerns me is their ability to properly protect the ball and not turn it over to a good opponent.  Oglethorpe will harass them with pressure.

DePauw certainly has to be the favorite in their first round game against Trinity.  I think these guys realize that regardless of their good body of work this year, it may take the SCAC championship & a Pool A selection to get them to the dance.  The way the WIAC, UAA and some of the so-called power conferences are shaping up, Pool C slots may be scarce for other good teams. 

My thinking is Millsaps gets into the D3 tournament unless they somehow short-circuit in the opening round of the SCAC.  I just don't see that happening.  Millsaps is probably a strong favorite to win the SCAC tournament.  What does everyone  think about that?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: spfan22 on February 25, 2008, 03:27:01 PM
Great game yesterday between OU and Depauw with ou winning in 2 OT's 86-80.. both teams had several opportunites to win the game.. Shaheed had a great game on Senior day finishing with 29 points and 9 rebounds. 

After seeing the 2007-2008 versions of Britt and Moore, I came away very impressed..  I know you can't base your judgements on one game, but from what I saw this weekend and from previous years.. Im going to say that Moore has to do a little more for his team than what Britt does for Centre.. Moore kept them in the game yesterday with so many big shots and great plays.. I had Britt as my POY before the weekend, but after seeing both this weekend, I might be slightly leaning towards Moore, not that my opinion matters.. also cant forget about Montgomery either
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2008, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: spfan22 on February 25, 2008, 03:27:01 PM
Great game yesterday between OU and Depauw with ou winning in 2 OT's 86-80.. both teams had several opportunites to win the game.. Shaheed had a great game on Senior day finishing with 29 points and 9 rebounds. 

After seeing the 2007-2008 versions of Britt and Moore, I came away very impressed..  I know you can't base your judgements on one game, but from what I saw this weekend and from previous years.. Im going to say that Moore has to do a little more for his team than what Britt does for Centre.. Moore kept them in the game yesterday with so many big shots and great plays.. I had Britt as my POY before the weekend, but after seeing both this weekend, I might be slightly leaning towards Moore, not that my opinion matters.. also cant forget about Montgomery either


Shaheed's great game yesterday and overall good shooting this weekend apparently put him in the lead in FG% (54.3%) in the final regular season stats, beating out Thomas Britt (54.1%).  Britt led all players in 3-point % at 48.7% and free throws at 90.0%.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 25, 2008, 07:46:21 PM
Millsaps 278th in OWP in the latest SOS #'s.  But, 17-2 in the region and a likely Rhodes/Oglethorpe road to the SCAC finals is good news.  They'll certainly move up in the region rankings with the DePauw loss.

I'm recanting my previous position on the Majors playoff chances (which was a maybe) and changing it to the stance that the Majors will hear their name called even if they lose to Rhodes on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 25, 2008, 09:26:30 PM
Wes, I don't want to test that theory about getting in even with a loss to Rhodes.  You might be right, but I see the Rhodes game as somewhat of a NCAA qualifier round--win and you probably get into the main draw, but lose and your season is over.

Pbrooks3 wrote earlier that he sees Millsaps as a strong favorite to win the tournament.  I'm not sure if there ever is a strong favorite to win the SCAC Tournament from a statistical standpoint.  That's why it has been so important all year to keep alive a hope for an at-large berth.

Looking at the odds of winning the SCAC Tournament, it would be real easy if all 8 teams were equal.  Your chances would be 1 out of 8, or 12.5%.  Since the teams aren't equal, the tricky part is to raise or lower each team's chances and still come out with 100%.  Let's say you give Millsaps and Centre each a 35% chance of winning and DePauw a 25% chance.  That only leaves a 5% chance for the rest of the teams combined and that's not right.

If you bump Millsaps and Centre down to 30% each and DePauw to 20%, then how are you going to spread the remaining 20% among OU, Trinity, Hendrix, Austin, and Rhodes.  I know each of you would differ on the percentages, but you get the gist of what I'm saying. 

At the risk of boring everyone with numbers, another way to look at it would be to calculate the odds of a team winning each specific game.  Let's say you rate DePauw as having a 50-50 chance in games against Trinity, then probably Centre, and hopefully Millsaps.  That puts DePauw back at a 12.5% chance of winning the Tournament, and this is a team that is regionally ranked at the moment. 

It's going to be a great tournament and I hope a lot of fans will get to Conway to support the teams.  Unfortunately, I will not be in Conway and I might not be able to follow the games on the internet.  The company I work for is moving this weekend and leaving town for a basketball tournament or just about any other reason is out of the question.  Maybe I'll get to see Millsaps play during the next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on February 25, 2008, 10:11:35 PM
Millsaps up two spots to No. 22 in this week's poll... Centre steady at No. 2.  Please let us have another showdown for the SCAC Championship!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2008, 10:55:16 PM
As I said earlier, I believe the Majors are in once they dispose of Rhodes Friday. What they do after that won't matter. Just for the heck of it, I might try to put some odds on each team's chances of winning the SCAC tomorrow if I have time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on February 26, 2008, 01:38:39 AM
Just wanted to skip by this board and say congrats to former Whitworth Pirate assistant Rodney Wecker for getting Austin College pointed in the right direction and into the SCAC playoffs.  The 'Roos have a good one leading that program.

Last year Whitworth met DePauw in the first round of the NCAA tournament.  Wonder what the chance are of the NWC and SCAC meeting again in 2008?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 26, 2008, 01:11:33 PM
SCAC Hoops Weekly - Tournament Edition

http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/022508mbasketballreport.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/022508mbasketballreport.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 26, 2008, 09:24:29 PM
first off... congrats to AC on an great season and an incredible improvement from last year... i'd like to start a discussion of some other types of tiebreakers so a coin flip never has to determine a team's season... any ideas??
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 26, 2008, 09:59:09 PM
A couple questions:

1.  When do Birmingham Southern games begin to count (and when will they be eligible for post season play? Next year?

2. With Fisk halting all athletics and Maryville apparently bolting, the GSAC looks like it might have suffered a mortal wound.  Any chance that a couple teams might come to the SCAC?  Huntington and LaGrange already seem to play a number of SCAC teams and if they both came the all important parity between feline and non-feline mascots could be maintained (up to 7-7 from a current 6-6).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2008, 10:23:16 PM
Good to have another Centre supporter on the post.  I don't know about your 2nd question at this juncture.  I believe Birmingham Southern does not  begin competing for the conference tournament (and regular season games count) for three more seasons.  This would make them eligible for the post-season in 2011 by my count.

Hope you'll be able to make it to Conway to support the Colonels!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 26, 2008, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: lammersk on February 26, 2008, 09:59:09 PM
A couple questions:
1.  When do Birmingham Southern games begin to count (and when will they be eligible for post season play? Next year?

pbrooks is correct, I think.  As far as I understand it, it's a four year provisional membership.  Long enough for all the recruits from the D1 era to be gone.

Quote from: lammersk on February 26, 2008, 09:59:09 PM
2. With Fisk halting all athletics and Maryville apparently bolting, the GSAC looks like it might have suffered a mortal wound.  Any chance that a couple teams might come to the SCAC?  Huntington and LaGrange already seem to play a number of SCAC teams and if they both came the all important parity between feline and non-feline mascots could be maintained (up to 7-7 from a current 6-6).

I, like some others who have been around this conference for some time, feel that SCAC is probably at maximum capacity for the time being.  While I don't know too much about the academic profiles of either of those schools you mentioned, I don't believe they fit in with the other SCAC schools.  I may be entirely off base with that comment, though.

With more teams in the conference, things start getting hairy with divisions in football (not playing every other team every season), longer seasons in other sports, more roadtrips...so on and so forth.  Teams already don't play everybody else twice in basketball.  It'd only get worse with 14 teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 26, 2008, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 26, 2008, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: lammersk on February 26, 2008, 09:59:09 PM
2. With Fisk halting all athletics and Maryville apparently bolting, the GSAC looks like it might have suffered a mortal wound.  Any chance that a couple teams might come to the SCAC?  Huntington and LaGrange already seem to play a number of SCAC teams and if they both came the all important parity between feline and non-feline mascots could be maintained (up to 7-7 from a current 6-6).

I, like some others who have been around this conference for some time, feel that SCAC is probably at maximum capacity for the time being.  While I don't know too much about the academic profiles of either of those schools you mentioned, I don't believe they fit in with the other SCAC schools.  I may be entirely off base with that comment, though.

With more teams in the conference, things start getting hairy with divisions in football (not playing every other team every season), longer seasons in other sports, more roadtrips...so on and so forth.  Teams already don't play everybody else twice in basketball.  It'd only get worse with 14 teams.

I also don't see Lagrange and Huntingdon fitting in with the mold of the current SCAC schools.  While it's been said many times that Oglethorpe would benefit by switching to the GSAC or USA south to be with other schools with comparable endowments and similiar athletic talents.  This may be so but Oglethorpe also enjoys the notoriety that comes from being associated with such a group of well respected schools.  I think Huntingdon and Lagrange would lower the reputation of the SCAC.  The do have very good baseball teams... and Huntingdon's golf is pretty good but their other sports are marginal at best... OU beats them both at just about everything else.  If the SCAC was looking to expand I would think they would add teams to better the conference (i.e. Bham, Colorado and Austin).  While Lagrange Huntingdon and even Piedmont make sense Geographically... they don't make sense in any other way.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2008, 10:55:28 PM
Okay, hypothetical question for you SCAC'ers...

Centenary College of Shreveport LA wants to move to D-III.

Is the SCAC full at 12 members?

Do you extend Centenary invitation to join the SCAC?

;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2008, 11:19:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2008, 10:55:28 PM
Okay, hypothetical question for you SCAC'ers...

Centenary College of Shreveport LA wants to move to D-III.

Is the SCAC full at 12 members?

Do you extend Centenary invitation to join the SCAC?

;)

I haven't given a whole lot of thought to expansion given the recent additions to the conference.  I honestly like the 12-team conference size.  Centenary probably would be a better fit than the other schools mentioned.  Since we're throwing out names, what would people think of Berea in Kentucky?  Wouldn't their endowment qualify them?


Modified for clarification of format.  I don't know if he has that tool available yet at his level of posting. -- Ralph Turner
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 27, 2008, 12:00:14 AM
Just thought I'd let you folks know that WGRE is, for the fourth year running, going to be broadcasting all the SCAC tournament action via their website (WGRE.org) and Free Teamline. WGRE's audio will also be part of the Southwestern University video stream.

WGRE's SCAC Tournament page can be found here: http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/sports_pages/scac2008.asp (http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/sports_pages/scac2008.asp)

A preview of the men's tournament, with predictions, has been posted as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 27, 2008, 01:20:58 AM
Okay, here are the profiles of the schools in the SCAC in this format: Name (Year Founded) Endowment in millions - Academic Standing via US News

Centre (1819) $205 - 44th National Liberal Arts
Oglethorpe (1835) $23 - 3d Tier Nat. Lib Arts
Depauw (1837) $560 - 49th Nat Lib Arts
Southwestern (1840) $314 - 59th Nat Lib Arts
Rhodes (1848) $252 - 49th Nat Lib Arts
Austin (1849) $144 - 75th Nat Lib Arts
Birmingham Southern (1856) $285 - 75th Nat Lib Arts
Sewanee (1857) $253 - 40th Nat Lib Arts
Trinity (1869) $991 - #1 Western Masters (no, I don't know what that is)
Colorado (1874) $439 - 26th Nat Lib Arts
Hendrix (1876) $191 - 71st Nat Lib Arts
Millsaps (1890) $86 - 87th Nat Lib Arts

Here are the schools discussed as possible additions:

Berea (1855) $949 - 75th Nat Lib Arts
Centenary (1825) $UNK - 3d Tier Nat Lib Arts  Member of the Associated Colleges of the South (http://www.colleges.org/)
Huntingdon (1854) $43 - 4th Tier Nat Lib Arts
LaGrange (1831) $63 - #3 Southern Baccalaurate College
Piedmont (1897) $50 - 3d Tier Nat Lib Arts

These figures came from cross-referencing Wikipedia with US News.  They may not be entirely accurate but give an idea as to how these schools would fit with SCAC schools.  If we're talking academic profile and endowment (and thus the ability to fund what must be massive SCAC travel budgets) I think everyone is right about the bottom 4 (maybe excepting LaGrange).

This leaves Berea.  I'm not sure Berea can be a D3 team.  It's an amazing school which gives each and every student (athlete or not) a full scholarship, with their primary requirement being that the potential student must have "limited economic resources."  I applaud Berea's mission but think it is a little misleading when it proclaims "Berea offers no athletic scholarships and yet is able to attract top level student-athletes from all over the country."  I think the scholarship issue may be why Berea is in the NAIA.

Anyway, I leave the actual sports comparisons to those who might have actually seen the teams of the schools mentioned (I've only seen Berea - usually a good basketball team).


Lammersk, thanks for the list.  I have added one other factor in favor of Centenary as a peer institution. --  Ralph Turner
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 27, 2008, 01:47:37 AM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on February 27, 2008, 12:00:14 AM
Just thought I'd let you folks know that WGRE is, for the fourth year running, going to be broadcasting all the SCAC tournament action via their website (WGRE.org) and Free Teamline. WGRE's audio will also be part of the Southwestern University video stream.

WGRE's SCAC Tournament page can be found here: http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/sports_pages/scac2008.asp (http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/sports_pages/scac2008.asp)

A preview of the men's tournament, with predictions, has been posted as well.

Thanks from all of those who won't be able to make it to the tournament.  Could you fill us in a little bit more on how the process works?  I'm interested in listening to the Oglethorpe games but the mens and womens are both being played at 8.  I know we're sending a crew that will obviously do one of them... but will ya'll be doing both?  Also will the live video feed be available for ALL games regardless of site.  I went to the website and it sounded like the game will be provided through Southwestern on the first day but it will cost $10 for the other days... is that right?

Any help you can give will be appreciated.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 27, 2008, 02:04:14 AM
pbrooks3,

No, unfortunately, I won't be able to be in Conway.  Thanks to our good friends at Depauw I will be in my office with the door closed surreptitiously watching/listening to the Friday game.  Then, as soon as the office closes, I will jump in my Cherokee and drive the three hours from Wise, Virginia to Lexington, Kentucky to watch my high school (Bryan Station, 4th in Ky) play Scott County (3d in Ky) for the district championship.  Then, I'll drive back so I'm home Saturday to catch the next round of SCAC play.  Everyone else from Kentucky has been depressed about basketball this year, but I've been facing choices as to whether I should drive North to watch a great high school team or an even better college team.  Woe is me.

BTW: Did I read correctly and WGRE is going to simulcast with the videocast on the 1st day but on subsequent days the videocast and audiocast will still occur, but be separate?

http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/sports_pages/scac2008.asp

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 27, 2008, 08:57:08 AM
To address both questions:

flightofthepetrel: The Petrel Sports Network will have the call of the OU men's game on Friday night. WGRE will call both games, with the OU women's game appearing on the station's website.

And to both FOTP and lammersk, regarding the video stream: there is a one-time, $10 dollar charge to watch the entire tournament and have access to the archives for an entire year. WGRE's audio will be available with the video for the entirety of the tournament - that is different info than what is currently on the web, but that should be fixed soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2008, 09:19:04 AM
Quote from: lammersk on February 27, 2008, 01:20:58 AM

This leaves Berea.  I'm not sure Berea can be a D3 team.  It's an amazing school which gives each and every student (athlete or not) a full scholarship, with their primary requirement being that the potential student must have "limited economic resources."  I applaud Berea's mission but think it is a little misleading when it proclaims "Berea offers no athletic scholarships and yet is able to attract top level student-athletes from all over the country."  I think the scholarship issue may be why Berea is in the NAIA.

However, as I understand the metrics by which the NCAA measures financial aid for their students, Berea is probably the "most compliant" by definition.  Their student-athletes receive exactly the same amount of aid as non-student-athletes.

Here is an anecdote.  A friend of mine is a Berea grad.  He grew up dirt poor in that part of the country.  He is now an internationally recognized expert in gynecology, the author of several authoritative texts in the field and an editor of a peer-reviewed journal.  He told me that his daughters were not able to go to Berea, because he made too much money.  I did not press him further to explain this, but I thought that an interesting statement to make.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 27, 2008, 10:50:11 AM
FYI for people who can't make the tourney, the games will be available to view online.  I'm not sure exactly where the link will be set up, but it's going to be something like $10 to watch streaming video.  Southwestern is running this endeavor.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 27, 2008, 02:41:06 PM
New region rankings:

South:
1.  Centre  23-1  18-1 
2.  Mary Hardin-Baylor  22-3  20-2 
3.  Guilford  21-4  20-4 
4.  Virginia Wesleyan  20-5  19-4 
5.  Millsaps  22-3  17-2 
6.  Maryville (Tennessee)  22-2  16-2 
7.  Randolph-Macon  20-5  15-5 
8.  Mississippi College  19-5  16-5

I still think Millsaps is in. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 27, 2008, 03:23:05 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 27, 2008, 10:50:11 AM
FYI for people who can't make the tourney, the games will be available to view online.  I'm not sure exactly where the link will be set up, but it's going to be something like $10 to watch streaming video.  Southwestern is running this endeavor.

If I want to watch Oglethorpe play I'm obviously going to have to use 2 computers since they both play at 8.  Would I have to pay the $10 fee twice since I will be 'logging' on at two different stations?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 27, 2008, 04:10:19 PM
From what I understand, the $10 gives you access to the entire weekend, and will allow you to view any games as they are archived for up to a year.

I'm sure that prior to Friday, the link will be posted on the tourney website.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 27, 2008, 05:44:36 PM
Just one $10 fee to watch any game is my understanding....I think the key is to enter the same e-mail address as your sign-in, and that should allow you to enter from either computer. The link for the video is active at:

http://www.hendrix.edu/EventsNews/athletics.aspx?id=19996 (http://www.hendrix.edu/EventsNews/athletics.aspx?id=19996)

SCAC1 is the men's tournament
SCAC2 is the women's tournament

You may want to click on the "contact Summit Ticket" just to verify that you can view either game from different computers for the one $10 fee.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wiley123 on February 27, 2008, 06:46:17 PM
Not going to be able to make the trip to Conway unfortunately...but I'll be there in spirit. PBrooks....take care of em down there..I know you all will pull the boys through. I know everyone has been anxiously awaiting my crystal ball projections......Not so fast though..more to come later. I won't even address the opening round game as Centre shouldn't even have to get off the bus for this one. AC....thanks for making the trip...we wish you a safe return home....
A friend of mine sent me the link today...check it out.

http://www.kentucky.com/278/story/330336.html

Great article exemplifying the true college team and the way hoops was meant to be played.
My favorite quote of the article is of Mason saying."We're only looking 24 hours ahead," he said. "..just so happens its 24 hours to the next game against the trinity /depauw winner....even Coach Mason can't make himself get ready for the opener.
Good Luck Colonels...I'll be waiting in Salem.
More detailed predictions to come.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 27, 2008, 10:03:33 PM
Today's South Regional Rankings (the columns don't match up right you I think you can figure it out):

South Region

Team        W-L    Reg. W-L OWP OOWP
1. Centre  23-1  18-1 .503 .498
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor  22-3  20-2 .494 .505
3. Guilford  21-4  20-4 .531 .527
4. Virginia Wesleyan  20-5  19-4 .520 .522
5. Millsaps  22-3  17-2 .476 .493
6. Maryville (Tenn.)  22-2  16-2 .451 .497
7. Randolph-Macon  20-5  15-5 .538 .527
8. Mississippi College  19-5  16-5 .507 .507

Millsaps moving up to 5th in the South is a more comfortable position.  I still think the win against Rhodes is required for a Pool C berth and I would be nervous about the Pool C chances if Millsaps lost in the semi-finals. 

Looking at this ranking, I would think that the SCAC would get 3 in if Trinity or DePauw won the tournament by beating Millsaps in the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2008, 07:38:44 AM
The stars would need to be in a special alignment for the SCAC to get 2 Pool C bids; I don't see it happening. If DPU wins the tournament, one of us isn't going to be happy, Frank!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 28, 2008, 08:48:14 AM
What I would like to see most at the SCAC Tournament is a Millsaps vs. Centre rematch in the finals.  It would mean that Millsaps is a lock for the NCAA Tournament and I think it would be a great game on a neutral court.  If Centre wins such a matchup then my hats off to them, but it would be a great second opportunity for Millsaps.

But in theory, with Millsaps being #5 in the South, it seems like a 2-1 record at the SCAC Tournament would keep them in the Pool C hunt.  Centre has a Pool C even if they lose to Austin, so I do think 3 in the tournament is a possibility.  I just don't want to test that theory because Millsaps would be the 3rd team under that scenario. 

I'm obviously pulling for Millsaps to win the Tournament and the AQ from the SCAC, but if they don't win then I have to become a Centre fan.  If Millsaps has to get in on a Pool C bid, then they definitely want Centre to get in on a Pool A bid instead of having Centre fall back into the Pool C category.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 28, 2008, 08:49:40 AM
Frank-I think you're right. If DePauw or Trinity beats Millsaps in the finals, we get 3 teams in.

Getting back to conference additions, I think the idea of adding Centenary and deleting Colorado would be a great idea. When everyone in the league experiences the road trip to Austin and Colorado they will agree.
The problem now is that the Presidents of the member schools are more concerned with the academic reputation of the conference that the expense of travel, and mental and physical stress on the student/athletes.
Adding Centenary would help everyone's strength of schedule, because like Birmingham-Southern, who we all know will be the team to beat in the conference in a few years, as a former "big time" school, they have the facilities and reputation to attract players.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2008, 11:10:43 AM
Frank and OS/A, I beg to differ with you guys on the SCAC getting 3 teams in the D3 tourney.  I believe Centre is in pretty much a lock based on their resume to date.  Millsaps gets in I think as long as DePauw doesn't win the SCAC tournament.  Where I think a problem occurs is if DPU wins, then Centre goes and Millsaps stays home.  I am not confident that a 3rd SCAC squad will get in unless all other conference tournaments play out in a perfect configuration to make this happen.  I hope both Centre and Millsaps take care of business in Conway & can match up in Sunday's final so we don't have to contemplate the thought of what happens on Selection Monday.

   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 28, 2008, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 28, 2008, 08:49:40 AM
Getting back to conference additions, I think the idea of adding Centenary and deleting Colorado would be a great idea. When everyone in the league experiences the road trip to Austin and Colorado they will agree.
The problem now is that the Presidents of the member schools are more concerned with the academic reputation of the conference that the expense of travel, and mental and physical stress on the student/athletes.
Adding Centenary would help everyone's strength of schedule, because like Birmingham-Southern, who we all know will be the team to beat in the conference in a few years, as a former "big time" school, they have the facilities and reputation to attract players.

A fine point, but it's not the least bit feasible.  There's no way the conference would ever "delete" a school they added just last year.  And one more thing...

Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 28, 2008, 08:49:40 AM
The problem now is that the Presidents of the member schools are more concerned with the academic reputation of the conference that the expense of travel, and mental and physical stress on the student/athletes.

It's not just about the quality of teams in your conference athletically speaking.  If that was the case, half the teams in this conference wouldn't be here in the first place.  What does Centernary do for the conference in other ways?  Apparently, those aren't important to you.

To me, your "problem" is a wonderful one.  That's the greatest "problem" that could happen in an athletic conference.  The academic standard of this conference is one of it's greatest qualities.  I know for a fact it's something this conference takes great pride in.  I've spoken with former Commissioner Argo and current Commissioner Hanberry on this issue many times.  And if a fan of this conference or one of it's teams is saying that's a PROBLEM, there's an issue here.  Somebody's got their playlist of goals on "shuffle mode".

I firmly believe that if a Division III fan has a problem with academics being the #1 priority, they're in the wrong place.  There's already a division where athletics is priority numero uno.  If that's what people are after, then they should probably take up the hobby of being a fan of a D1 school.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 28, 2008, 03:45:58 PM
Wes-In Division III where there are not supposed to be any athletic scholarships, there should be a balance between academics, athletics, and the other benefits of higher education. My main criticism of having the SCAC spread out across the country is the stress on the players. I realize that the SCAC is not going to throw Colorado out; they (the Presidents) should have considered the stress and time management concerns of the players before they added Colorado. We all know there is a broad spectrum of academic standards in Division III, even in the SCAC, and a school such as Centenary would probably compare academically with schools already in the SCAC. I don't have a problem with academics being the number #1 priority in Division III, but are they? Two of my children graduated from Washington & Lee (Division III), and the 3rd child graduated from the Naval Academy (Division I). Granted, I sent them to those schools for academic reasons, but there are plenty of DI schools that have superior academics to Division III Schools. I'm getting off on a tangent now, but the main problem I have is a 19 year student/athlete getting up at 4am to take a bus 3 hours to an airport to catch a plane on Day 1; playing a game on the evening of Day 2; taking another bus ride on Day 3 to catch another plane; playing another game on Day 4; taking another bus to an airport to catch a plane to another airport to catch another plane to an airport where they get on another bus for another 3 hour bus ride, getting home in the am on Day 5 and go to class.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 04:16:01 PM
Which is a scenario which happens once a year for four schools and once every two years for six schools ...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on February 28, 2008, 04:32:05 PM
QuoteI'm getting off on a tangent now, but the main problem I have is a 19 year student/athlete getting up at 4am to take a bus 3 hours to an airport to catch a plane on Day 1; playing a game on the evening of Day 2; taking another bus ride on Day 3 to catch another plane; playing another game on Day 4; taking another bus to an airport to catch a plane to another airport to catch another plane to an airport where they get on another bus for another 3 hour bus ride, getting home in the am on Day 5 and go to class.

OS/A,

I understand your concern, but I think the SCAC is doing a pretty good job helping teams out with travel schedules. In recent years we have started playing Friday - Saturday games on some confernece weekends in order to get students back to their Universities before Monday classes, however, students make the decision to play collegiate sports and take upon themselves the added responsibilites and pressures that are all a part of attending class, playing basketball, and having a life. Personally, I wanted more life during my college days and so athletics dropped from my priorities and I quit playing basketball and other sports. The beauty of Division III athletics is that when a student athlete decides that they can no longer handle or don't want to deal with the pressures that are associated with being a student athlete they can become just a regular student and retain any scholarships that they had already been awarded. Additionally, in the SCAC they get to graduate form a great school if they so choose. Some of the road trips in the conference take a toll on the athletes, but that's the student's decision and it makes the phrase "any given day" even more relevant in SCAC conference play. Yeah it often sucks, but that's the way it is in the SCAC currently. Now my true complaint about the SCAC is that there are too many schools in small towns and some of the road trips just aren't too exciting ;)  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 28, 2008, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 28, 2008, 03:45:58 PM
I'm getting off on a tangent now, but the main problem I have is a 19 year student/athlete getting up at 4am to take a bus 3 hours to an airport to catch a plane on Day 1; playing a game on the evening of Day 2; taking another bus ride on Day 3 to catch another plane; playing another game on Day 4; taking another bus to an airport to catch a plane to another airport to catch another plane to an airport where they get on another bus for another 3 hour bus ride, getting home in the am on Day 5 and go to class.

Well, then let me ask you an honest, serious question with no ill will intended. 

If it's such a big problem for you, and/or for your son, why did your son go to a school in this conference in the first place?  Why didn't your son go to a school without such burdens as an athlete? 

This isn't new.  That one roadtrip to Colorado Springs certainly isn't the proverbial straw on the camel's back.  You and your family must have had some idea that this was coming when he chose his school.  The travel's been this way for over a decade.  And it would still be this way if they dumped Colorado and picked up Centenary.  Still gotta go to Texas.  Still gotta go to Conway.  Still gotta go to Jackson.  Those aren't short trips from Danville.  The hypothetical trip you mention reminds me of the Oglethorpe/Millsaps trips in the old alignment.  DePauw flew that trip to both schools. 

If that is such a burden for a student athlete at one of our schools, then why even commit to such a school in the first place?  It's certainly not for everyone.  We can all agree on that.  Even if you make a mistake and didn't see what you were getting yourself into, then why not transfer?  I personally know many a DePauw athlete in several different sports that didn't like missing that much class.  So what did they do?  They transferred to an HCAC school.  Or to a CCIW or MIAA school.  Or quit the team, but that's not particularly relevant.  There are plenty of options other than just stating that this conference is going in the wrong direction because of one geographic outlier. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 28, 2008, 05:57:16 PM
This seems like a discussion where everyone has throughly given their opinion.  It would be nice if the SCAC was made up of like schools that were closer together geographically, but they are not.  It is what it is and the schools do the best they can to deal with the pros and cons of the situation.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2008, 06:18:42 PM
Not only is the SCAC "do-able", in the last 3 years, three schools out of four have found it preferable!

Look at the "hoops" thru which they have jumped!

Austin College looks at what happens to their travel budget over an above a travel-heavy conference and allocates the dollars for travel and improvements to the Baseball field, among other sports.

University of Dallas would love to join the SCAC.

I can still see two 8-team divisions... in the next decade.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 28, 2008, 06:55:14 PM
Wes- You misunderstood me. My kids went to W & L and Annapolis; I was referring to a "19 year old" in general, referring to what the Centre kids  went through. I know De Pauw went through the same thing, but perhaps had better connections and travel arrangements to Colorado, being just outside of Indianapolis. Danville is not close to anywhere, but has enjoyed going to Texas over the years, and has found decent travel arrangements. Its the trip to Texas, and then Colorado, and then back to Texas, and then home, that the players and coaches were really upset with. At least it will happen only once every other year. Colorado is a great school academically, but there are other good schools that are good academically and a lot closer when it comes to travel arrangements for Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2008, 09:46:13 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 28, 2008, 06:55:14 PM
Wes- You misunderstood me. My kids went to W & L and Annapolis; I was referring to a "19 year old" in general, referring to what the Centre kids  went through. I know De Pauw went through the same thing, but perhaps had better connections and travel arrangements to Colorado, being just outside of Indianapolis. Danville is not close to anywhere, but has enjoyed going to Texas over the years, and has found decent travel arrangements. Its the trip to Texas, and then Colorado, and then back to Texas, and then home, that the players and coaches were really upset with. At least it will happen only once every other year. Colorado is a great school academically, but there are other good schools that are good academically and a lot closer when it comes to travel arrangements for Centre.
OS/A, you are raising good points.  Travel is a major problem.  Centre is a charter member of the SCAC.  There have never been neighboring peer institutions in abundance in the entire history of the conference for Centre.

Centre has three choices:

1)  continue playing in the SCAC.
2)  leave the SCAC for the HCAC or the NCAC or even the Presidents AC.
3)  expand the SCAC to 16 teams so that Centre doesn't have to travel west.  Here are four teams to consider.  Centenary LA and UDallas on the West, and Berea and Berry GA on the East.

Berry GA-- Endowment $683M at #107 on NACUBO list (http://www.nacubo.org/Images/All%20Institutions%20Listed%20by%20FY%202007%20Market%20Value%20of%20Endowment%20Assets_2007%20NES.pdf).  #115 in Top Liberal Arts in US News.

Berea KY --  $1012M at #68.  #75 Top Liberal Arts (tied with BSC and AC).

Centenary LA -- $116M at #316 in 2006.  Member of ACS (http://www.colleges.org/).  Centenary is already considered a peer in matters other than sports. (How much will their US News Ranking go up if they move up to D-III?   ;)  )

UDallas -- $48M at #536, but has a Phi Beta Kappa Chapter.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 28, 2008, 10:37:52 PM
Quote3)  expand the SCAC to 16 teams so that Centre doesn't have to travel west.  Here are four teams to consider.  Centenary LA and UDallas on the West, and Berea and Berry GA on the East.

If we're honestly rating on grounds of schools' academic prowess, Berea's the only school in that list which should make the cut.  Transylvania would have been even better, if it had not ended up in the Heartland.

IMO, the idea of adding teams and splitting the SCAC into 2 divisions is not a bad one.  The problem is always going to be where the SCAC can get schools that seem to fit the approximately 75 or higher rank and average $312 million endowment.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2008, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: lammersk on February 28, 2008, 10:37:52 PM

If we're honestly rating on grounds of schools' academic prowess, Berea's the only school in that list which should make the cut.  Transylvania would have been even better, if it had not ended up in the Heartland.

IMO, the idea of adding teams and splitting the SCAC into 2 divisions is not a bad one.  The problem is always going to be where the SCAC can get schools that seem to fit the approximately 75 or higher rank and average $312 million endowment.
Transy is #75, tied with Millsaps.

I think that we have found the four best candidates that have acceptable criteria. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 29, 2008, 12:22:16 AM
Funny how some see the SCAC travel as a burden, and others are excited about seeing the Rocky Mountains, San Antonio, Atlanta, etc.
Several NAIA schools could've offered short trips to small towns on bad vans, but we liked what D3 had to offer.

Having said that, an Austin/U Dallas would make much more sense than an Austin/CO College trip.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 29, 2008, 12:31:04 AM
Quote from: hendrixfan on February 29, 2008, 12:22:16 AM
Funny how some see the SCAC travel as a burden, and others are excited about seeing the Rocky Mountains, San Antonio, Atlanta, etc.
Several NAIA schools could've offered short trips to small towns on bad vans, but we liked what D3 had to offer.

Having said that, an Austin/U Dallas would make much more sense than an Austin/CO College trip.  :-\
A point in the favor of UDallas. 

Putting Colorado College with a travel partner almost demands a good airport with frequent connections.  (I like flying into Colorado Springs.  It is one of my favorites.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 08:04:44 AM
Travel per se is not a big issue. Let's just make sure the SCAC and its teams are noted for being a geographically diverse conference. This in some ways makes the road games as challenging or more so than some of the conferences in other regions of the country where a lengthy road trip is 3 hours.

This year - being the 1st with Colorado College - made travel a bit more demanding for those who made the Austin-CC leg. I know Centre and DePauw probably would have liked to stagger western swings to Texas (Trinity/Southwestern) and the new trip (Colorado College/Austin). Would have been nice to have one of these trips in a different year instead of the same year. Guess there's no reason to fuss given the fact Hendrix and Millsaps make both trips each year with the current 12-team configuration. As OS/A mentioned, Centre is really 2 hours by bus to any major airport (Lexington KY doesn't count) so plane travel becomes a bit more fun to work out.

Here's hoping that Millsaps and Centre make the finals this week, and we witness Frank and camera putting in an appearance at Conway Sunday!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 29, 2008, 11:06:30 AM
If the tournament was still in Memphis then I'm certain I would be at a Sunday game.  The big company move that was scheduled for this weekend has been moved to next weekend so I'll be able to hear all the games, but I'll be listening while trying to edit basketball, softball and tennis photos, and working on getting DVDs ready for the cheerleaders and women's basketball team.  A road trip to Conway is just too much time that I don't have.

With the first game just a few hours away, does anyone have an upset special for today?  While recognizing the possibility, I don't think that Centre or Millsaps will be upset today.  That leaves the 2v3 games as possible upsets.  Of those, DePauw over Trinity is the most likely.  I guess the upset here is actually picking 2W Trinity over 3E DePauw.  Whichever, I see a close game with DePauw getting the win.  Trinity hasn't played their best after losing two games that they could have and maybe should have won with Centre and DePauw.

The 2E Oglethorpe vs 3W game is more interesting.  OU played great at home last weekend after losing 2 on the road the previous weekend.  Now they have the matchup with a home team that quite honestly looked lethargic at times against Millsaps.  I suspect they are better than what I saw last Saturday, and I'm going to go out on a limb and pick Hendrix for the upset over OU.  There's no doubt in my mind that OU has the better talent, but they are 10-3 at home this year and 6-6 on the road and that makes me think an upset is possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 11:11:50 AM
I'll respond to your challenge Frank!

I see Centre winning by 12 over Austin.  I look for a competitive game between Trinity and DePauw.  I am going with Trinity winning in OT by 3 points.  Millsaps beats Rhodes by 19 in an game that's not that close.  The 8 pm game will be another tight one with Oglethorpe holding on by 2.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 29, 2008, 11:19:35 AM
DePauw over Trinity...
Millsaps over Rhodes...
Oglethorpe over Hendrix...
and since I haven't picked any REAL upsets yet (I don't count 2 v 3 games as upsets, because typically the teams are interchangeable), I'll go with the heart over the head and say that AC shocks the D3 world today with a 5 point win...

(ok, so it's not likely to happen, but as I've said in the past, I really think the 'Roos can hang with Centre so a stunner is certainly not out of the question...)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: jekelish on February 29, 2008, 11:19:35 AM
DePauw over Trinity...
Millsaps over Rhodes...
Oglethorpe over Hendrix...
and since I haven't picked any REAL upsets yet (I don't count 2 v 3 games as upsets, because typically the teams are interchangeable), I'll go with the heart over the head and say that AC shocks the D3 world today with a 5 point win...

(ok, so it's not likely to happen, but as I've said in the past, I really think the 'Roos can hang with Centre so a stunner is certainly not out of the question...)
Austin certainly has the horses and matches up well with Centre; I'll give you that.  I'm counting on the Colonels to play their vaunted defense against a squad that doesn't shoot particularly well.  Are you getting to see this game in person, Jekelish?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 29, 2008, 12:26:45 PM
Unfortunately I couldn't make the trip...there are some other AC conflicts here at home.  I'll be watching on the live feed, though, and checking in on the stats as much as I can...

As for today's game, I will amend (slightly) what I said...

AC has a good chance if three things happen:

Kola Alade doesn't have another 5-17 game like the first time these two teams met...

Chris Sturtevant can nearly equal his production last game...

Spencer Burke can stay out of foul trouble and be a real presence in the paint (as in, 3 or 4 blocks and altering a few more shots)...

The 'Roos can get some bench production from any combination of their backup guards - Bishop/Mewbourn/Lintelman...

That may be asking a lot...especially since it seems like Sturtevant and Alade never seem to be clicking offensively at the same time, it's always one or the other (they always get their points, but it seems like when one shoots well, the other doesn't)...

However, if those things happen, it's going to be a good, tough game...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 29, 2008, 12:44:31 PM
Centre over Austin by 18

Depauw over Trinity by 6

Millsaps over Rhodes by 22

Oglethorpe over Hendrix by 4-  just like Frank mentioned this game scares the dickens outta me.  OU played Hendrix about a month ago and ESCAPED with a 1 point win.  Hendrix had a chance to win that game twice but the shot didn't fall.  I would be more confident if we were in Memphis this year, but with Hendrix being the home team it's hard to pick against them.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 29, 2008, 02:05:32 PM
anyone else having trouble getting live video?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 29, 2008, 02:32:05 PM
Not getting video.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 02:41:21 PM
Not a particularly exciting game, but Centre is winning with defense in the 1st half. Austin only scored 4 points in the opening 10 minutes of the contest. Nestheide and Crowdis are leading the way with 9 and 7 respectively. Colonels have 4 or 5 charging fouls. 20 minutes more of solid D will serve the Colonels well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 29, 2008, 02:46:22 PM
They're having trouble with the camera at the SCAC, from what I've been told, so who knows if that's something that will be solved today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 02:52:03 PM
I'll touch base with D3allstar about the camera.
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Post by: jekelish on February 29, 2008, 03:01:43 PM
The video feed is up and running...
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 03:41:35 PM
Ugly final 10 minutes, but it's #24 in a row. We'll need to be a lot better Saturday regardless of opponent. 
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Post by: vozdelospetrels on February 29, 2008, 05:17:36 PM
WGRE guys,

Thanks for the coverage this afternoon, it has made my Friday at work more tolerable. I have not purchased the live video feed yet. Anyone want to critique on the live video feed? Is it worth the purchase?
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 05:35:19 PM
How's the Trinity DPU game going?  Looking for a score.
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Post by: DPU3619 on February 29, 2008, 06:06:09 PM
It took two overtimes, but Trinity beats DePauw 82-77.

I believe Mike Moore missed a 3 at the end of regulation to win it.  Don't know how good of a look he got at it.  Moore went on to drop a 24 pts, 7 ast, 5 reb line before fouling out in the second extra session.  Oilar had a 15 and 11 dub-dub.

Barrett Koch had 21 and B.J. Moon had 20 for TU.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 06:08:42 PM
Frank, think you probably like the outcome of the Trinity-DPU game. Am I right?
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 29, 2008, 06:23:16 PM
I have to think that the outcome of both games today are the ones that were best for Millsaps.  Centre losing to anyone other than Millsaps is bad for Millsaps, and the DePauw loss probably helps to some degree.  Millsaps was already ahead of DePauw in the rankings so DePauw wasn't a problem unless Millsaps didn't keep pace with them. 

It is fairly certain that DePauw will not get an at-large berth and they are certainly a team that has the talent to be in the NCAA Tourney.  They had the close losses to Oglethorpe, the close one to Centre, and now the close one to Trinity.  Just a few more buckets and they would be a lock for an at-large berth, so I know this was a tough loss for the DePauw team and especially for the seniors.  And by the same token, it was a great win for a Trinity team that has had its share of struggles this year.  Congratuations to Depauw for a very good year that was so close to really great, and to a Trinity team for a very gritty win this afternoon.
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Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 29, 2008, 06:43:29 PM
I wasn't able to get the live video or audio, which has not been a problem in the past. Did everyone get the live video, and or audio of the DePauw-Trinity game ok?
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Post by: d3allstar on February 29, 2008, 07:33:27 PM
video was really rough first game, decent second game, and working well (as a knock on wood) right now in the third game...
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 29, 2008, 07:41:33 PM
There's about a 10 second delay between the live action and the video but I'm not complaining--it is great to listen to the WGRE broadcast and then have a visual to watch.  It wasn't that long ago that finding out a score on an out-of-state D3 game was the next day at best, and sometimes it took two days to find out the score. 

The Hendrix gym looks great as do the Millsaps Women's Basketball who are sitting at mid-court supporting the Majors.  The Millsaps men are looking pretty good themselves with a 44-22 lead at halftime.  Millsaps is a team with a point to prove, a team that feels like they haven't received the respect they deserve, and I don't expect a letdown during the tournament.  That doesn't mean that they'll win the tournament, but I think they'll will be intense for 40 minutes of every game.
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Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 29, 2008, 07:57:23 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 29, 2008, 07:41:33 PM
There's about a 10 second delay between the live action and the video but I'm not complaining--it is great to listen to the WGRE broadcast and then have a visual to watch.  It wasn't that long ago that finding out a score on an out-of-state D3 game was the next day at best, and sometimes it took two days to find out the score. 

It's amazing how quickly we get spoiled by technology!  I get mildly irritated when the live stats and internet broadcast at out of sync.  Only eleven years ago, IWU won the national title - I didn't even know that they had until an alumni mag showed up several months later! :-[
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 29, 2008, 08:11:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 29, 2008, 07:57:23 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 29, 2008, 07:41:33 PM
There's about a 10 second delay between the live action and the video but I'm not complaining--it is great to listen to the WGRE broadcast and then have a visual to watch.  It wasn't that long ago that finding out a score on an out-of-state D3 game was the next day at best, and sometimes it took two days to find out the score. 

It's amazing how quickly we get spoiled by technology!  I get mildly irritated when the live stats and internet broadcast at out of sync.  Only eleven years ago, IWU won the national title - I didn't even know that they had until an alumni mag showed up several months later! :-[

It makes you wonder just how far things will advance over the next 11 years!
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Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 29, 2008, 08:24:06 PM
Video is coming in well now. Hey, what about that De Pauw game. I have seen them play twice this year against Centre, and they were the team that I thought could really surprise everyone. They have all of the pieces of the puzzle, a great low post player in Schott, one of the best point guards in D-III in Moore, a 3pt. shooter in Oiler who is impossible to defend, 2-other great wing/guards, and a deep bench with many role players. I am really surprised, but wasn't able to get the video of the game. How did Trinity beat them?
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Post by: DPULefty22 on February 29, 2008, 08:46:11 PM
I think it's more accurate to say that Trinity outlasted DPU today. Just hit more big shots down the stretch, and when Moore fouled out in the second OT the wind seemed to come out of DPU's sails.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 29, 2008, 09:13:32 PM
Video and audio have reversed for the OU-Hendrix game with the video being about 20 seconds ahead of the audio.  At my age, 20 seconds is a long time for my short term memory to hold on to a visual image while waiting for the audio to catch up.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 29, 2008, 09:22:31 PM
A dreadful shooting game to end the night at Conway.  Both teams started off hitting 4 of their first 20 shots.  OU is up 18-17 with less then 6 minutes to go in 1st half.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 29, 2008, 09:42:40 PM
Hendrix lead OU by 1, 23-22 I think.  The shooting percentages for both teams is still in the mid-20's and they have combined to hit 2 of 20 from behind the arc.  King has 10 rebounds at the half with all of the opportunities, well within reach of the record 16 rebounds in an SCAC Tournament game, a mark set by Thomas Adams of Millsaps in 2003.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 09:48:20 PM
Agreed on the assessment of the game - coaches scouting this game are ready for it to end - it hasn't been pretty. Lots of turnovers, poor shot selection, and generally ragged play.  25-24 Hendrix early in the 2nd half.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 10:21:29 PM
53-43 Hendrix with 4:22 to play. OU has looked pretty pathetic on the offensive end of the court.
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Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 29, 2008, 10:38:11 PM
I just turned on the last 8 minutes of the game, and Hendrix looks pretty good. If they could make free throws and break the press, they would be winning by 20.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 10:47:50 PM
Oglethorpe did not play well and consequently was beaten in the 2nd half. Hendrix was led by the big three - Rose, King and Foley - these guys generated about 90% of the points. Pretty decent attendance at tonight's game - probably 500-600 in the house. Most games today probably had 200 or so including the Girls games at the high school gym across town.
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Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 29, 2008, 10:51:49 PM
PBrooks3-What was the final score. My video and live stats went out this time.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 11:41:29 PM
Don't remember exact final score, something like 67-58. Talked to Coach Ponder after the game - he said both squads shot less than 25% in the opening half; I think OU ended up at slightly over 30% for the game. They just never got into much of a shooting groove in the 2nd half.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 11:45:07 PM
Those of you who follow other conferences, I noticed that Wabash beat Wooster tonight 87-63 in the NCAC.  That's a pretty good whippin' for the Scots!
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Post by: DPU3619 on March 01, 2008, 12:07:19 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 29, 2008, 11:45:07 PM
Those of you who follow other conferences, I noticed that Wabash beat Wooster tonight 87-63 in the NCAC.  That's a pretty good whippin' for the Scots!

Salt, allow me to introduce you to the wound.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2008, 12:44:39 AM
Wes, understand your sentiments. Met dpulefty22 after the broadcasts tonight. Wished I'd had a chance to watch the DPU-Trinity game, but was at the Centre's girls game. Everyone followed the action in the other gym through text messages and phone calls to the very end. Would DePauw have won if Mike Moore hadn't fouled out in the OT?

Kudos to all the folks at the tournament who assisted in bringing the games to others via the internet (radio, audio & video).
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Post by: frank_ezelle on March 01, 2008, 09:06:21 AM
I'll bring up once again the discussion that has run throughout the season since the answers to the questions will be revealed in the very near future.

With all due respects to everyone in the running, I think it would really be a shame if Edrick Montgomery didn't get the POTY award this season.  On a team like Millsaps, he doesn't always have to step up big but he has really stepped up big when needed this season.  In particular, when Rodney Rogan was injuried and Edrick was the only inside scoring on the Millsaps team, he put up monster numbers.  Then on the road trip to Centre and DePauw, he once again responded with huge numbers--not quite as high in the DePauw game but maybe the 40+ minutes he played against Centre had something to do with that.

There were many last year who thought Edrick should have won over Nestheide, but I think the deciding factor there was that OU had a very good season and Millsaps just had a good season.  This year the two teams have both had great season with the seperation between the two being the SCAC schedule that sent Millsaps to Centre and DePauw this year.  I have no doubt that if Millsaps had been the home team that weekend they would be the one that sits in the top 5 nationally.  If Thomas Britt, a great player in his own right, gets the award because of the timing of the schedule, then something isn't quite right.

I think it will come down to Montgomery or Britt.  I feel sure that everyone would agree that they are both deserving.  To me, what seperates the two is that Britt is the strongest this year of the many outstanding shooters on the Centre team.  I don't think it is a coincidence that Nestheide's numbers went down by the same amount that Britt's numbers went up this year.  If you shut down one of their players like Nestheide, then someone else will fill it up as Britt did this season because they are a team loaded with great shooters.  Millsaps is not a team loaded with big men and Montgomery has been counted on heavily for inside scoring, rebounding, and defense in the midde.  Millsaps losing Montgomery would be a far bigger blow than Centre losing Britt.

Along the same line of argument, I really hope Coach Wise is voted as the Coach of the Year by his peers.  It really should be a co-award between Coach Wise and Coach Mason and that would be fine with me, but the job done by Coach Wise should not go unrecognized.

Centre fans and DePauw fans will probably have a different take.  Hendrix fans could make an argument for Andrew King and I respect all of those opinions.  I just think Montgomery is the best basketball player in the league, the most difficult to contend with by opposing coaches, and the most valuable to his team.  And I also think Coach Wise has done a great job of overcoming key injuries this season,losing a starter and key reserve during the season and a key reserve big man before the start of the season, plus the stretch when Rogan was out.  Millsaps is far more than just an athletic team, they are well prepared on both ends of the court each and every night.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2008, 09:56:37 AM
I'm going leave POTY where the chips may lay.  Wise, Montgomery and the Majors are all certainly deserving.  I think Greg Mason should and will get the Coach of Year.  Britt is certainly in the mix for POTY, but Edrick and Mike Moore are right there as well.  It'll be fun to see what the coaches have decided. 

Got to see Millsaps play one half against Rhodes.  It was never any real contest when I started watching (2nd half).  The Majors look every bit as tough as I remember them last year - probably even better at running their break and speed offense.  There probably isn't anyone who can guard Edrick Montgomery in this league; he's that good at his position.  I think Hendrix will give Millsaps a competitive game in front of the home folks, but Millsaps is absolutely too good to miss on winning this game.

The other match-up I know will be a defensive tug-of-war.  If Centre can defend, rebound and shoot above 40%, I like their chances.  Coach Cunningham has his players ready to play and nothing is a given at this juncture.  Centre was very fortunate to pull out an OT win in San Antonio earlier this year, and there will be some interesting match-ups for them to contend with against Trinity this afternoon.

I am projecting Centre-Millsaps in the final, but you can never tell what might happen at  tournament time.


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Post by: vozdelospetrels on March 01, 2008, 10:05:24 AM
I just want to say that I think the SCAC is doing an outstanding job with providing live action of the tournament to fans who couldn't make it to Conway. It's been fun watching the live video feeds and listening to the live audio, especially when we get them synced just right.
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Post by: vozdelospetrels on March 01, 2008, 10:06:15 AM
...how long until I can expect HD video feeds :)
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2008, 02:38:46 PM
Solid defensive tussle between Trinity and Centre. Colonels took control in the final 5 minutes of the opening half after Trinity came out like a barn on fire to start. Centre has got some nice dribble drives to close possessions late. BJ Moon has kept the Tigers is gear with good play. This game could go either way. Centre has the advantage of not having played 2 overtimes the day before.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on March 01, 2008, 03:41:02 PM
Excellent result for Millsaps to have Centre beat Trinity.  Millsaps now needs to win this afternoon and set up the final that would be great for SCAC basketball.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2008, 04:34:10 PM
38-34 Millsaps at the half. Hendrix played the Majors tough.
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Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on March 01, 2008, 04:49:21 PM
They just announced the all conference teams, player of the year, coach of the year, def.player of the year, and newcomer of the year. This is the first year in a long time that I haven't been at the tournament, but I always thought they announced the awards after the finals?
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Post by: scaccommish on March 01, 2008, 05:12:54 PM
No...we've always announced on Saturday at the half of the second men's and women's semifinal games. More of a chance of teams still being at the tourney to hear the announcements.

2007-08 All-SCAC Men's Team
http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/08all-scac.htm (http://www.scac-online.org/basketball_mens/08all-scac.htm)
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Post by: frank_ezelle on March 01, 2008, 05:50:09 PM
A sense of relief that Millsaps got past a tough Hendrix team and their fans to get to the SCAC finals.  A sense of disappointment on the SCAC awards. 
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2008, 05:51:27 PM
Hendrix played their hearts out and left everything on the floor in battling Millsaps down to the wire. The Majors didn't play their best, but made clutch shots (and free throws) in the last 5 minutes.  Should be a championship game worth witnessing tomorrow. Millsaps wants the championship badly and Centre wants to continue their marvelous streak of winning basketball. No doubt in my mind the 2 best SCAC squads will be competing at a high level tomorrow, and each should advance to the D3 tournament regardless of tomorrow's result. 
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2008, 09:22:21 AM
I was particularly pleased that the SCAC Coaches selected Greg Mason as Coach of the Year. He's done a marvelous job of meddling his team around two outstanding seniors in Nestheide and Britt. In my opinion, he took a less talented team this year as compared to last season, and made them into yet a more cohesive, unselfish unit that has produced an astounding 25 straight wins. Mason, at a young age, is quickly establishing himself as one of the great ones in D3 basketball circles.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2008, 09:55:25 AM
This weekend,I have run into lots of basketball fans of Centre and other schools wondering where Wes and Frank are. Any chance we'll see either of you for the tournament finals this afternoon. 
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Post by: DPULefty22 on March 02, 2008, 12:52:19 PM
I picked Millsaps to win it all at the beginning, so naturally I'll stick with that pick. Should be a dandy this afternoon.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 01:54:06 PM
WGRE...

I really like your sports broadcast promo that you use on your broadcasts.  The audio clips convey plenty of emotion and excitement.

"The Tigers win the Bell!"

Thanks for doing the broadcasts.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2008, 02:08:46 PM
Centre is 6-38 from the field. Not the Colonels day. My hat is off to Millsaps on a solid performance. 11:20 to go with Millsaps up 19.
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Post by: DPULefty22 on March 02, 2008, 02:15:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 01:54:06 PM
WGRE...

I really like your sports broadcast promo that you use on your broadcasts.  The audio clips convey plenty of emotion and excitement.

"The Tigers win the Bell!"

Thanks for doing the broadcasts.

Ralph, on behalf of the four of us who are in Conway this weekend - including the two currently calling the game who are preoccupied at the moment - I can say the pleasure is ours. The fun we have doing this tournament, as well as the positive feedback we get from folks like yourself, makes it a blast to do.

Centre currently on a 9-2 run, BTW. 48-34 MC, 8 minutes left.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2008, 02:21:53 PM
Centre showing some grit as they're down 12 with 5:30 to play.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2008, 02:28:21 PM
Centre is within 8 at the 3:33 mark. 2 good takeaways on defense led to layups. Majors ball.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2008, 02:51:03 PM
I'd give star of this game to the smallest man on the court - Chad Songy. He made several key shots at critical points of the game for the Majors. Millsaps wins 69-60. A very solid team performance by Millsaps. Excellent defensive pressure in the half court took Centre out of synch and made the Majors the top team in the SCAC tournament this year. Centre fought the good fight despite shooting miserably today. 2 great teams putting it on the line today and both should be rewarded with additional post-season play.
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Post by: DPULefty22 on March 02, 2008, 03:02:33 PM
Tip of the cap to the Majors, a great senior-led team who deserved to go to the NCAA Tournament and now won't have to sweat out Selection Monday.

As for Centre... tough to win when you shoot 28% from the field and 3-for-24 from deep, that's for sure. It felt like their hoop had a lid on it for stretches at a time. I kept waiting for one of Centre's seniors to take over the basketball game, but my theory is that the unselfishness of the Colonels actually worked against them in this one. Britt and Nestheide passed up a lot of open looks in the second half - it looked like neither of them wanted to put the team on their back. Nestheide finally did, cementing my long-held belief that he was the most important player on that team, but it was too little too late.

We'll see them both in the NCAA's that's for sure.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on March 02, 2008, 03:43:54 PM
First off, my thanks to the people from DePauw and Southwestern for allowing me to following the games like it was a televised tournament.  You guys provide a huge service for the SCAC.

Congratulations to Coach Wise and especially to the three seniors who have been there all 4 years, Lorenzo Bailey, Rodney Rogan, and Deonte Oscar.  Over the last 4 years Millsaps has gone from 9-16 to 14-12 to 18-9 and now they are 25-3, tied for the most wins in a season at Millsaps (the 1994-95 NCAA team finished 25-3).  Counting the 14-4 finish last season, Millsaps is now 39-7 over the last season and a half.

Also congratulations to Edrick Montgomery on the tournament MVP award and to Rodney Rogan and Chris Sanders for making the All-Tournament team.  As I have argued all year, Edrick comes up big when the team needs him to have a big game, and this weekend he added the tournament scoring and field goal records to go along with his individual game scoring record (34 points, shared with Jon Query).

And finally, congratulations to the many guys off the bench who made this kind of season possible.  Millsaps lost backup big man Chris Ingle prior to the season and starter Deonte Oscar and sub Ross James during the season due to injuries and a lot of guys stepped up to fill in.  As pbrooks3 mention, the play of Chad Songy has been impressive as a mid-season addition to the starting lineup and the return of Allen Odum for his 4th year was a critical addition to the team, as has been the play of Blake Martinez, Cameron Varnado, and Russell Booth off the bench (it seems like I'm leaving out someone). 

It's been a great season that hopefully will have several more games to go.  Good luck to both Centre and Millsaps in post season play.
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Post by: consultant on March 02, 2008, 05:19:25 PM
Indeed, congratulatons are in order for Millsaps and Centre.  Both teams had an outstanding year and both will be rewarded with a tournament bid tomorrow.  I just spoke to Millsaps head coach Tim Wise, who expressed his appreciation for the season long diligent efforts of the Majors.  He's a mighty proud coach.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2008, 07:02:36 PM
Kudos Frank to the entire Millsaps nation of basketball fans.  You guys were the best team out there today.  I would like to have seen Centre put up a better offensive game and make it more competitive than it was.  However, Millsaps played outstanding defense which obviously created some poor shot selection and the low shooting percentage that Centre exhibited today.  The Colonels got a lot of good looks, particularly early in the game, but didn't take advantage of these chances.  Also thought Centre played with the idea that Montgomery or Rogan were going step up defensively and block a shot.  Now Millsaps, like Centre, needs to get ready for word on when and where they play next.  I really hope that we'll see both Millsaps and Centre go deep into the D3 tournament; this would enhance the reputation of SCAC.  Good luck to both squads.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2008, 07:10:11 PM
Want to thank Hendrix College for hosting a fine SCAC tournament this year.  Danny Powell, Cliff Garrison and the entire Hendrix athletic department can take great pride in a first class facility and the tremendous hospitality they provided SCAC fans over the weekend.  It was a neat touch to also have the Lindsey's Barbecue wagon outside the gym; heard a lot positives about this.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gus Sinski on March 02, 2008, 11:00:53 PM
 A big "thank you" also needs to go out to the members of the Hendrix booster club board, many of whom volunteered throughout the week in various capacities.

Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I am a member of said board. And in that capacity, I'd like to invite anyone who reads this board and attended the tournament - fans, players, coaches, parents - to let me know what areas could have been improved upon. This was a maiden voyage for all involved, and I'm sure this won't be the first time the "WAC" plays host to an event be it the SCAC or some high school deal. So, any thoughts or suggestions, shoot me a PM or let me know here on the board. How can we make your experience at Hendrix better?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2008, 08:42:07 AM
If the Hoopsville guys are on target, it looks like Millsaps will travel to Mary Hardin-Baylor (#1 seed for this bracket) to play Whitworth with the winner getting MHB. In this scenario, Centre (#2 seed in the bracket) would host playing Averitt. Winner would play winner of Ohio Wesleyan-Maryville (TN) game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 03, 2008, 12:48:30 PM
Centre and Millsaps both in and both hosting.  Centre starts with Franklin and Millsaps starts with Maryville (that should be a good game).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 03, 2008, 12:56:11 PM
Franklin Grizzlies (Centre's opponent) is 18-9 and is Heartland's AQ.  Anyone seen them play this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 03, 2008, 06:51:20 PM
The only common team Centre and Franklin faced was Transylvania.  Centre beat Transy in their single contest, 66-56.  Franklin faced Transy 3 times, losing the first time 82-77 and winning the other two time 63-42 and 60-53.

Franklin appears to have been on a tear at the end of its season, only losing to Defiance in February and returning the favor by beating Defiance to win the Heartland tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 03, 2008, 07:06:49 PM
Millsaps and Maryville have played 3 common teams and both beat them all: Rust, Huntingdon, and Sewanee.

Rust - Millsaps 79-58; Maryville 98-45 & 95-77

Huntingdon - Millsaps 81-71; Maryville 86-64 & 69-61

Sewanee - Millsaps 76-75; Maryville 93-67
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Post by: frank_ezelle on March 03, 2008, 07:58:22 PM
The combined record of Maryville and Millsaps is 49-5.  It should be a terrific game with Maryville's NCAA Tournament experience countering the Millsaps advantage of playing at home.  Here are some links from the Maryville website that will be informative to those who don't know much about Maryville:

NCAA Story:  http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2373

Stats:  http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/stats/MCMSeasonStats24-2.pdf

Roster:  http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/roster-mn-basketball.asp?sportNameID=5

Men's Sports Homepage:  http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/mens-sports.asp
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on March 03, 2008, 10:05:50 PM
if anyone see's live stats or video for the games would you please post a link?? thanks in advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2008, 10:10:30 PM
Good that Millsaps is getting to host.  Haven't checked with the Maryville posters of late, but they were dying to come to Danville for the D3 tournament 2 weeks ago and show the Colonels a thing or two about how to play basketball.  Centre normally plays them annually, and this year the game was canceled due to a tragic death of a staff member in the Maryville athletic department family.  Maryville supporters posting regularly insinuated that only their athletic department made an effort to reschedule this game; don't know whether this was true or not.  Regardless, there's a rivalry between Centre and Maryville.  Over the past 7 years, Maryville has won 4 of 6 contests between the 2 schools.  Frank, you're right this should be a competitive opening round game in Jackson between Millsaps and Maryville.  The Majors will need to be on their A-game against the Scots; they are a very good basketball team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2008, 10:29:47 PM
Quote from: lammersk on March 03, 2008, 12:56:11 PM
Franklin Grizzlies (Centre's opponent) is 18-9 and is Heartland's AQ.  Anyone seen them play this year?
Don't know much about them except they play in the same conference with Transy, a common opponent that Centre defeated earlier this season.  When I had last looked at the conference, it had looked like Defiance was the team to beat in the Heartland, and then Franklin came on like gangbusters to finish the season and win the tournament.

I was intrigued that the D3 tournament committee kept the same four conferences bundled this year in the 1st/2nd round at Centre that was assembled last season at Wooster.  Last season it was Wooster of the NCAC hosting Transy from the Heartland, and Capital of the OAC playing Centre in the opening games.  Now we have the Heartland represented by Franklin against Centre, and Ohio Wesleyan of the NCAC playing Heidelberg of the OAC.  Seems like a pretty balanced grouping that should produce some good games Friday and Saturday night in Danville.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 03, 2008, 10:31:37 PM
I saw Maryville play Trinity a couple of years ago and Maryville was very good that night.  From the stats it looks like Maryville plays a lot of folks with only 3 players averaging 20 minutes a game.  At this point of the season, I suspect that every team better bring their "A" game every night if they want to live to play another day.

With the 8:00 tipoff, it looks like I'll be able to make the game.  The company I work for is shutting down at 1 on Friday and moving to a new location.  I'll be helping with getting the internet, networking and phones back up and going at the new location.  A 6:00 tipoff would be difficult or impossible, but I think I can slip away in time for the Millsaps game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 03, 2008, 10:36:47 PM
FYI,
Millsaps will have ESPN Radio 1240 AM broadcasting their game(s), as DP will step away from regularly scheduled baseball to do Majors basketball for the weekend.  Mary Hardin-Baylor will also have radio.  All links will be posted in the next few days on the Millsaps website, as a Tournament Page will be posted.  No live stats for any game in Jackson as the wireless signal won't pick up inside the Hangar Dome.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 03, 2008, 10:42:06 PM
When is the Saturday game?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2008, 11:27:57 PM
Quote from: lammersk on March 03, 2008, 10:42:06 PM
When is the Saturday game?
Centre's website says 7 pm; Ohio Wesleyan's says 7:30 pm.  Go figure!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 03, 2008, 11:40:04 PM
All Friday games are at 6 and 8 p.m. local time.  The Saturday game is at 7 p.m.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 11:50:11 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on March 03, 2008, 11:40:04 PM
All Friday games are at 6 and 8 p.m. local time.  The Saturday game is at 7 p.m.
All men's times are prescribed by the Handbook.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 03, 2008, 11:54:20 PM
True.  And the handbook for the Tournament says 6 and 8 p.m. local time on Friday and 7 p.m. on Saturday.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 04, 2008, 07:24:17 AM
Millsaps moves up to #14 in the Top 25; Centre is #4. This is pretty good stuff for the SCAC. Now let's have a great weekend where the SCAC plays well in the 1st and 2nd rounds.  Go Colonels and Majors!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 04, 2008, 08:27:27 AM
Quote from: Gus Sinski on March 02, 2008, 11:00:53 PM
A big "thank you" also needs to go out to the members of the Hendrix booster club board, many of whom volunteered throughout the week in various capacities.

Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I am a member of said board. And in that capacity, I'd like to invite anyone who reads this board and attended the tournament - fans, players, coaches, parents - to let me know what areas could have been improved upon. This was a maiden voyage for all involved, and I'm sure this won't be the first time the "WAC" plays host to an event be it the SCAC or some high school deal. So, any thoughts or suggestions, shoot me a PM or let me know here on the board. How can we make your experience at Hendrix better?



Gus, I thought you guys did a great job hosting the tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mcalumnifan on March 04, 2008, 09:40:17 AM
I will tell you a little bit about Maryville, as I graduated from Maryville in the mid 80's.  We use to be in the ODAC and we made several LONG bus rides to Millisaps while I played football and baseball at Maryville.   I am very good friends with coach Lambert of Maryville and your comparisons about the two teams are correct on the teams.  I will say this, Maryville should be hosting a game at 24-2, but they are not.  Maryville has two full squads of equally talented 5 man teams.  You can flip a coin at which team is better within Maryvilles squad.  I have seen Maryville play this year many times.  They have many weapons.  Bowers one of their seniors played in a Division One summer basketball league (with Tennessee players) and he definitely could play in a higher division.  Maryville is very deep on the bench.  Their 12th player (Holiday is a senior) He started basically his first 3 years at Maryville and now he is not in the first two squad rotation.  He could start (no question) for most D3 schools.  Coach Lambert is one of the best coaches in the nation.  Two year's ago he was one of the final three coaches to be considered and interviewed as Bruce Pearl's assistant coach for the Number One ranked Tennessee Volunteers.  Maryville did try several times to reschedule with Centre after the tragic death of one of their football coaches.  But honestly who would take a chance of losing a game to a very good team in Maryville and hurting Centre's record?  No one.  As you can see from Maryville's game this season and common teams Milsaps, Centre and Maryville have played; Maryville will beat teams badly by 50 points like the Rust score at Rust in MISSISSIPPI or win or loss by just a few points.  I believe (being partial) Maryville will win the first round game  (like they have over a majority of the past 10 years) and this year I believe they will win the second round.  Last year they did beat Mary Hardin in the first round (In Mississippi).  I believe they will get to the sweet sixteen.  Milsaps will definitely have the home court advantage, because not many Maryville supporters will drive 500 miles to see the game. 

Good Luck
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 04, 2008, 12:19:09 PM
Thanks for that extensive look at the Maryville team.  Millsaps obviously has a very good team as well at 25-3 with one of those losses being against a D1 team.  It sounds like Maryville tries to overwhelm teams with both talent and numbers, not much different from the Mississippi College style of play. 

While Millsaps does many things well, their key to the season has been taking care of the ball and sharing the ball.  The two point guards on the team rank 1 and 2 in the SCAC in assist to turnover ratio.  I'm sure that Maryville will come with a lot of pressure to create turnovers and it seems like the biggest factor might be how Millsaps handles that pressure.  It won't hurt if Millsaps has one of those 50% or higher games from long range, something they have done on occasion during the season. 

While there is added excitement/pressure for every team as they start NCAA Tournament play, I think Maryville has the advantage of NCAA play being the norm for the team.  Hopefully, the fact that Millsaps played 3 must win games last weekend will help them get acclimated to the added pressure of this weekend.  In a way, there's less pressure playing in the NCAA Tournament than the pressure Millsaps face in getting to the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 04, 2008, 12:39:48 PM
Frank,  Congratulations on a great season for the Majors, should be a great atmosphere for you guys this weekend. I'm not sure who I would pick to win that regional, but I've had an opportunity to see UMHB, Maryville and Millsaps the last two years.  I can't really tell you much about Maryville this year because they overhauled their roster, but I've watched them four times in the last six years including the last two in Clinton. They will be extremely well-coached and will not turn the ball over. I remember Bowers from last year but he did not have a good regional. He played a different role on that team though and wasn't the first option.

The teams they've had the last two years were more like Trinity this year than MS College. They easily beat UMHB last year and Trinity the year before in the "Golden Dome" in first round games, but lost to the Choctaws by 20 each year in the second round. I thought MS College's athleticism gave them problems in each game. Millsaps has a similiar athleticism but you guys shoot a lot more 3's than we did. I would be tempted to pick the Majors, especially if you shoot the 3 well, but Maryville's string of first round wins is impressive and they will probably not allow a lot of open looks. Should be a great game.

UMHB is a good blend of athleticism and size, probably more balanced than Millsaps or Maryville. They have a very tough team this year, certainly better than the team Maryville beat last year. They added a 6'6"-6'7" wing player in Tillman Gaddy who was "Newcomer of the Year" in the ASC and is a matchup problem. They also added guard Jason Wagner who was a first team All-ASC selection in the West Division. I think they win easily in the first round and will have an edge in the second because I expect Millsaps-Maryville to be a great game.

It's hard to pick a winner in that regional though, three teams who've all enjoyed great seasons with different styles of play. I don't know much about Fontbonne, but the Maryville (MO) team that the Choctaws played two years ago from the same conference was not great, we beat them 88-58. It would be hard to pick against the home team though, it's a huge advantage in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2008, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 04, 2008, 12:39:48 PM

UMHB is a good blend of athleticism and size, probably more balanced than Millsaps or Maryville. They have a very tough team this year, certainly better than the team Maryville beat last year. They added a 6'6"-6'7" wing player in Tillman Gaddy who was "Newcomer of the Year" in the ASC and is a matchup problem. They also added guard Jason Wagner who was a first team All-ASC selection in the West Division. I think they win easily in the first round and will have an edge in the second because I expect Millsaps-Maryville to be a great game.

Chris, Jason Wagner was injured in the Schreiner game on Feb 7th, and may not be back at full speed.  He played only 5 minutes vs. Concordia on Sunday. Matt Dickey only played 12 minutes in his first game back.  He broke his hand in the Concordia game on Feb 5th.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 04, 2008, 11:11:48 PM
Now that Chris and Ralph have provided Millsaps a nice scouting report on Maryville and Mary Hardin-Baylor, perhaps Centre can be so lucky to find someone to do the same for Franklin and their potential 2nd round opponents?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2008, 11:40:42 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 04, 2008, 11:11:48 PM
Now that Chris and Ralph have provided Millsaps a nice scouting report on Maryville and Mary Hardin-Baylor, perhaps Centre can be so lucky to find someone to do the same for Franklin and their potential 2nd round opponents?
If Jason Wagner and Matt Dickey are back to 90%, then UMHB will be up to speed for this round.

I will then hope that they will be 100% if UMHB goes on the Sectional.

I know that I have made a big deal about the Millsaps-LaCollege game (a 63-61 win in Jackson), and the other ASC-SCAC games. 

Ozarks (8-18/5-15) beat Hendrix (14-12/6-9) in Conway, 93-82.

Trinity only beat TLU (3-22/3-18) by a 67-65 score at home after coming home from Chicago.  Trinity (18-9/9-6) beat HSU (15-12/13-8)in San Antonio the next weekend, 66-64.

HSU beat Southwestern (11-14/6-9) by 85-59.

Texas Tyler lost at Sewanee 75-70.

LeTourneau beat Colorado College in the Springs 90-67, and Austin College 57-55 and 58-53..

Texas-Dallas beat Austin College 71-55 and 82-72.

That makes the ASC 7-4 over the SCAC.

This should be a good barometer of the two schools at the top.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 05, 2008, 09:12:55 AM
I know this is kind of asking if there's any water in the middle of the Sahara, but is there any indication that the games at Centre might be webcast?   ???

I plan to be there, but they're calling for a chance of snow here in the mountains and sometimes that translates into 10" and drifts too big to even get out of the house, much less drive 3 hours northwest to Danville.   :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 05, 2008, 11:44:53 AM
I don't see anything about webcasts on the Centre Tournament page:

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/news/0708/mbb_ncaa_host_0708.htm

All of the games at Millsaps will be covered as Millsaps, Maryville and UMHB will all be doing broadcasts.  Here's the link to the Millsaps Tournament page:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/2008Championship_Schedule.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2008, 01:42:57 PM
D3hoops.com will have audio broadcasts of the Centre regional (95% sure at this point). We'll have links on the scoreboard and our audio page.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 05, 2008, 04:31:52 PM
It's not certain Maryville game will be webcast.
One host can't get there till Saturday and the other is suppossed to have surgery this week.

MHO is that Maryville has dealt well defending athleticism this season. Rust, Greensboro, and methodist were all much more athletic teams than MC. Its hard to tell but with an MC team count on very solid man-to-man defense and an ability to exploit any press used on them with smart decision making. That's what I've seen from them again this season.

Bowers has played well since coming back from a bad flu bug over holidays, but there is no real star. Its a 10-deep rotation that against a few of the more athletic squads went to the 11 deep with senior Jeremy Holliday coming off the bench as well. He was a starter as a defensive stopper for two years but went to the bench this year for offense from Orr and Hernandez. Nobody averaged over 27 minutes this year because the rotation was so deep.

Maybe a Millsaps fan could come give a rundown on the GSAC board?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 05, 2008, 05:29:16 PM
Having seen Rust play, I'm not sure if I would say they are much more athletic than Millsaps.  On the other hand, it has gotten tiring to keep hearing that Millsaps in the most athletic team in the SCAC.  While that is a nice compliment, it has gotten tiring because there is never the followup that in addition to the athletic skills, they play some very good fundamental basketball. 

As mentioned before, they take care of the ball and they share the ball well.  They run when the opportunity exists, they do shoot their fair share of 3-pointers and just about everyone except Edrick Montgomery will launch a 3.  Edrick probably would as well if Coach Wise would let him drift out that far.  All in all, Millsaps is a well coached team and a very sound team on both ends of the court.  Their weakness might be lack of depth when it comes to the big men, and to be honest, the big men aren't that big.  They have some guards who rebound the ball well to help make up for the lack of size. 

One big key to the game will be the score after 25 total points are scored.  If Millsaps doesn't have NCAA jitters and the score is in the 15-10 range or closer, either way, then I think they'll do okay.  What they can't afford is to let nerves get to them early and have Maryville get off to a 18-7 lead or something like that.  Considering that Millsaps just played 3 games where 2 of them and maybe all 3 of them were in essences qualifying games for the NCAA Tournament, it would seem like they should be acclimated to playing in a pressure situation.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2008, 09:47:57 PM
Even though I plan to make the 400 mile drive to Danville for the games on Friday, it's great to hear from Pat Coleman that the games will be webcast. If severe weather should set in, I'll resort to following the games on the internet.

Haven't spent much time checking the NCAC and OAC boards this week but it would seem the opener in Danville Friday night between the Battling Bishops and the Student Princes (did I get that right?) should be a dandy. These two conferences have historically had some great games among their members. I'd love to hear more about each of these teams from some of the posters that follow each program or conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2008, 10:02:03 PM
For those interested, there's a good story today on the ncaa.com website about Centre College's basketball team and their fabulous season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2008, 10:22:38 PM
Just to confirm Pat's earlier post... I will be headed to Centre for this weekend's games!

I am really looking forward to see these teams play.

Don't be a stranger, say hello if you see me (and I don't look too busy).

Weather looks dicey. Anyone want to give me an idea what I should expect. Coming from Baltimore, though I am a New England driver! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 10:33:13 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 05, 2008, 10:22:38 PM
Just to confirm Pat's earlier post... I will be headed to Centre for this weekend's games!

I am really looking forward to see these teams play.

Don't be a stranger, say hello if you see me (and I don't look too busy).

Weather looks dicey. Anyone want to give me an idea what I should expect. Coming from Baltimore, though I am a New England driver! :)
But the drivers around you will be Kentuckians!   :D   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2008, 10:34:53 PM
Dave, glad to hear you're coming to KY for the games this weekend. Centre and the lovely community of Danville will give you a warm welcome. Maybe you can get Wes Anderson to come down from Indy again to help with audio!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2008, 10:46:28 PM
I have been told Wes is unavailable, I am sorry to say. I think that might be the reason I am making the trip - other than the fact I was looking at this pod from the start! I have seen plenty of Guilford basketball, didn't need to make that trip! :)

As for driving around Kentuckians... you have NEVER seen Baltimore drivers, then! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 05, 2008, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 04, 2008, 11:11:48 PM
Now that Chris and Ralph have provided Millsaps a nice scouting report on Maryville and Mary Hardin-Baylor, perhaps Centre can be so lucky to find someone to do the same for Franklin and their potential 2nd round opponents?

I'm both an NCAC and OAC regular (if there is such a thing- the OAC board is unfortunately kinda desolate).  I'd love to be in Danville this weekend to take the games in.

Here's my thoughts on 'Berg vs. OWU:

I've seen Heidelberg twice, and OWU at least five times this season.

My general impression is that these are two teams similar in style and ability: they both like to play a moderately up-tempo game (~80pts. per team) and both focus on the fundamentals, winning through strong overall play from a set of good players.  I would expect a tight, tense, well-played game, though both teams may be feeling the pressure early, as neither has been in the tournament in years. If you get a sloppy first half, expect a better second.

Both teams rely on a lot of production in the paint: It's NCAC first-team selections Jesse Jean and Dustin Rudegair for OWU paired against OAC honorable mention Brian Schmidt and first-team Andrew Lemmon for 'Berg.  Both Lemmon and Jean nearly average double-doubles in points and rebounds.  These are four capable inside players, and the pair that can be more productive against the other will likely tilt the game in their favor.

PGs Josh Calver (Berg) and Casey Teeters (OWU) both play a relatively traditional PG role- distributing more than shooting, though Teeters contributes more offense (7.6 ppg vs. 4.6) while Calver dishes out more assists (94 vs. 73).

Neither team has a lights-out shooter, though more often than not it's OAC second-teamer Chad Szalay (14 ppg, 62 made 3 pointers) for Heidelberg and Brian Cafarella (9 ppg, 66 made 3 pointers) for OWU.  The Bishops' other starting wing, Kyle Holliday (11ppg), was a second-team NCAC selection, and lit up Allegheny for 23 points in the NCAC semifinals last week.

Joining Calver and Szalay for 'Berg is Shawn Striver, who averages 11 ppg- but in both games I saw them play he seemed like a quiet contributor.  'Berg gets stronger support from sixth man Greg Tyson Jr. (10 ppg), who is one of their more athletic and quick players and provides a good spark off the bench.

Enjoy the game- I expect it will be a well-contested one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 05, 2008, 11:27:57 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2008, 10:02:03 PM
For those interested, there's a good story today on the ncaa.com website about Centre College's basketball team and their fabulous season.

Was that one after the Millsaps story on the front page before the brackets were released with junior guard Chad Songy guarding a Pensacola Christian guy??

Sorry, couldn't resist.  The win over Centre was too sweet and if we'd hit more than 9-of-18 free throws (I know you guys shot like crap the whole game) down the stretch it might have been a 13 or 14 point win.

I do, however, wish both teams the best of luck this weekend and it's so nice to be hosting.  Let's just hope both get out alive...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 06, 2008, 12:23:21 AM
MajorFan, Millsaps is the SCAC champ - no question about it, but let's quit making excuses for why the margin of victory wasn't greater. I could say if Centre shot 35% instead of 27%, the Colonels win the game, but you'd just shoot that down. I hope both squads get through this weekend and get a chance for a 3rd meeting down the line in the D3 tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 06, 2008, 12:39:47 AM
That's why I put that statement in parenthesis (I know you guys shot like crap), because I knew that would be the argument.  I agree you missed like 20 layups and that would have made a closer game, but the Majors' main fire came from an article in the paper the day before the championship that was praising Centre and giving Millsaps no respect.  Also, from a guy that knew nothing about either team.  Heck, Millsaps outplayed Centre in Danville but choked that away in the final seconds before the Colonels tied it and then won it in OT.  Millsaps earned the respect Sunday by holding the SCAC Player of the Year to 1-for-8 shooting and six points.  I'm curious if they'd waited about a week later to vote for All-SCAC and released it after the championship, would Edrick Montgomery of Millsaps won it.  He only averaged 21.7 points and grabbed 8.3 boards in three-straight days of competition and dominated the post.  Another rematch would be unlikely this season, but hey, you never know.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 06, 2008, 08:25:07 AM
I've said all along that now's the proving ground for Centre and Millsaps. To truly establish reputations, "who's the best" around the D3 nation, winning games in the tournament will enhance resumes and cement the SCAC as a conference of basketball integrity and strength. MajorFan, perhaps Millsaps didn't receive the acclaim they deserved this season. Centre benefitted from good play and a lot of good fortune I realize. They beat Millsaps in a storied game with an unbelievable finish and D3 providing audio. They established new records in the SCAC and an amazing winning streak. The D3 nation particularly took notice of Centre on the night of the overtime win against the Majors. At the same time the Colonels kept winning SCAC games one after another, many of the top rated teams began taking hits; Centre made a meteoric rise up the charts to #2 in the nation. Do I think Centre was really #2 in the country?  I doubt it. Probably Centre and Millsaps should be ranked side by side, not #4 and #14 respectively. It should be something like #8 and #9. I am an unabashed Centre fan first. However, I am an SCAC supporter, too and for this reason, I would like to see Millsaps go deep in this tournament. The Majors moved up 8 places this week in the polls. Win 2 games this weekend and Millsaps should gain additional respect and accolades from their basketball brethen nationwide.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2008, 01:13:44 PM
No, they probably should be closer together, but it's also very hard to make a big move upward at the end of February. Millsaps moving from 22 to 14 is a big deal this time of year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 06, 2008, 04:35:05 PM
To be honest, I don't know where Centre and Millsaps rank among the teams in D3.  I just haven't seen much D3 basketball outside of the SCAC so I can't make a comparison. 

Do I think that Centre would be favored to beat all but 3 teams in head-to-head competition?  No, I think that's far fetched considering their lack of a strong post game.  Do I think that Millsaps would be favored to beat all but 13 teams in head-to-head competition?  My gut feeling is no, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.  It seems to me that these schools with 5,000-10,000 students and/or lower academic standards and/or lower cost should be able to field a stronger team than the typical SCAC school.  I have no illusions that being the best in the SCAC equates to being the best in the nation.

For me, Millsaps winning the SCAC crown this season was the goal.  Any success they have in the NCAA Tournament is icing on the cake.  What I hope most about the NCAA Tournament is that Millsaps plays to their potential.  If that's not good enough to win, then so be it, but I want them to leave the court Friday/Saturday knowing that they played their best, win or lose.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 06, 2008, 08:01:36 PM
Good post Frank; I am perhaps a little more ambitious about the D3 tournament given that Centre tasted it last season. The SCAC is what it is. If our teams can collectively advance a bit further this season, I'll be pleased.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 06, 2008, 08:53:42 PM
I just saw where the Millsaps at Rhodes baseball game scheduled for Friday has been cancelled due to expected bad weather.  The baseball team really does a great job of supporting the basketball team so that will be nice to have their support for the tournament. 

I watched the local weather forecast this evening and they were talking about the possibility of 3-5 inches of snow in north Mississippi.  The forecast on Yahoo isn't so severe, but that still seems like we could have nasty travel weather for those coming to Jackson.  I hope everyone has a safe and enjoyable trip to and from Jackson this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on March 06, 2008, 09:09:49 PM
All three visiting teams are in Danville; Franklin, Ohio Wesleyan, and Heidelberg, but they might not get out. The weather forecast for Louisville up to Cincinnati is 12+" of snow starting tomorrow afternoon and snowing thru Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mcalumnifan on March 07, 2008, 12:16:55 AM
I will make this prediction about the Maryville vs. Millsaps game.  Maryville pretty much ALWAYS wins the first round games over the past 10 consecutive years.   Maryville lost 2 games this year.  One to Averett who is in the tournament at Guilford; and one to Emory who had one of the toughest schedules of the year and who beat the #1 team Rochester.  And Maryville destroyed Rust College in our favorite state to play Mississippi by 50 points!!!!  And I know all of you know from Millsaps how tough it is to win at Rust.  While the #2 school Centre lost to them.  Mark my words.  Maryville will sweep the first two rounds in Mississippi NO Question (they beat Mary Hardin last year in the 1st round) and get in the final 16.  They will probably play Guilford and if they get this far they could go all the way.  Division 3 basketball is always the same; any given day any team can beat any other.  Good Luck to all the teams.  Go Scots!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 07, 2008, 07:13:01 AM
Anyone planning to travel to Danville for the games: I just watched a couple of Lexington channels' weather predictions and it's not good.

The last weatherman pointed to an area which included Danville and said 6-10", "the worst snowfall in a decade."  By noon today they are predicting heavy snow and 32 degrees.  They also reported that roads are not being pre-treated because it's going to rain first and this would just wash it away.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on March 07, 2008, 07:18:25 AM
mcalumnifan- How about a hot fudge sundae or steak dinner on the Millsaps-Maryville game. I have seen Millsaps demolish teams at home;very good teams, Centre among them. Your team had better not go there with the idea that they will have an easy time. Millsaps has great shooters, quickness, a tenacious defense, adequate deoth, and a senior dominated team that wants to keep playing. They will be tough at home, and I predict them to win their sectional.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on March 07, 2008, 07:24:57 AM
lammersk-its about 7:15am here outside of Louisville, and its already started snowing. The prediction in Shelby Co. where I live is 4-8", with 12" along the river up to Cinncinnati. If you're planning on driving to Danville from the south or west, I think you will be okay. If from the North or East, you might be okay if you leave early, but you had better plan on staying awhile, at least thru Sunday. Its supposed to snow through Saturday, and the snow moving equipment in the rural counties is scarce, especially on the non-interstates. Danville will not get that much snow, its getting up I-75 or I-65 that will be the problem, and getting to them north of Danville.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 08:08:16 AM
OS/A, thanks for the weather forecast - we in Memphis have decided to stay put and follow Dave McHugh's audio on D3 tonight.  Those of you who are going to tonight's games in Danville, we'll expect some exceptionally good posts from you on the action!  Sorry not to have a chance to meet the voice of Hoopsville.  Everyone who makes the trip to Danville for tonight's action - travel safely.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on March 07, 2008, 10:40:49 AM
Greg Mason,Centre's successful coach and SCAC Coach of the Year for the second straight year, hopefully will be playing the winner of the Heidelberg-Ohio Wesleyan game Saturday night. I am in hopes that the winner of that game will be Ohio Wesleyan, whose coach is Mike DeWitt, a wonderful guy and great coach, who was the Head Coach at Centre when Greg was an assistant. It would be a great match up for two old friends!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MC wild animal on March 07, 2008, 11:14:44 AM
Maryville 70-68 in a really close game...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 01:07:44 PM
MC wild animal, what's with this 2-point margin of victory prediction?  It was my understanding from most of your prior posts that Randy Lambert and the Scots will clobber every opponent they face! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 07, 2008, 06:35:14 PM
Is there live stats for OWU/'Berg and the Centre game later?

OWU 44
Heidelberg 30, at the half in Game 1.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 07:35:45 PM
No live stats - OWU is about to advance. They had a nice shooting game with their bigs outplaying their counterparts from Heidelberg. Dustin Rudegeair had a big night for the Battling Bishops.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 07, 2008, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 07:35:45 PM
No live stats - OWU is about to advance. They had a nice shooting game with their bigs outplaying their counterparts from Heidelberg. Dustin Rudegeair had a big night for the Battling Bishops.

Yeah, that was a nice win for OWU.  I expected a closer game.  Good luck to the Colonels!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 08:01:32 PM
The D3 audio on the earlier game was very solid; good call Dave.  Haven't been able hook up to the server for the Centre-Franklin game yet. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 08:16:28 PM
Able to hear other games, but the Centre-Franklin server connection is still down at this time.  Any one having some luck connecting at this point.  It tears at the heart of a D3 fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kiltedbryan on March 07, 2008, 08:39:41 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 08:16:28 PM
Able to hear other games, but the Centre-Franklin server connection is still down at this time.  Any one having some luck connecting at this point.  It tears at the heart of a D3 fan.

Dave is updating it through the daily dose.  Check the homepage- apparently there are technical difficulties.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/03/07/franklin-vs-centre

Centre 34, Franklin 27 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 09:28:24 PM
Thank you, Dave, for keeping us informed through the daily dose on Centre-Franklin.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 09:30:14 PM
Saps by 1 over Murvul,  13:40 left.
MV -- Bailey fouls Blakely FT good MV 11-9. 13:01  left.
Saps--Rogan on the putback 13-11 Saps. 11:11
MV - ties at 13. 10:57
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 09:38:37 PM
Appreciate the Majors-MC posts Ralph.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 09:41:24 PM
Saps -- Booth at the line, FT  2-2.  Saps 19-15.
MV -- 7:50 Rebounds by Odom.
Saps -- Rebound MV 7:30; Saps 19-15.
Saps -- MV's Hernandez fouls, his 2nd.  MV time.  Saps 19-15, 7:20 left.


Saps fans please permit me the artistic license of calling the Majors "Saps" .

There are lots of "MC's" in D-III, but I have only found one Saps.  ;D


MV -- Odom gets the foul.  Laverdiere to the line both good. Saps 19-17. 6:53
Saps -- MV rebs.
MV -- Sanders steals
Saps -- MV rebs.
MV -- 6:15  Sanders gets his first foul. 4th team foul by Saps.  No one has more than 1 foul for Saps.
MV -- Shumate a 12' FG. Tied at 19 5:50
Saps -- Edrick Fg. 5:35 Saps 21-19.
MV --Majors 2-1-2 Zone. Rebs Edrick Montgomery.
Saps -- ball knocked out of bounds Saps ball, 5:01.


Saps Martinez 3FG
MV -- Edrick gets his second foul. Shumate at the line & one! Saps
Saps -- Edrick FG layup on the baseline.  And one is no good!  MV ball. Edrick out
MV --  4:29 left. Williamson 3FG, Saps 26-25.
Saps -- OOB 3:55
MV -- Orr FG MV 27-26.
Saps -- foul
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 09:54:59 PM
MV Watson Fg MV 29-26.
Saps -- Songy misses a long 3FG. Rogan fouls, team 7th
MV -- 1&1 Bowers makes the first and  misses the second  MV 30-26.
Saps -- Shumate fouls. MV's 8th team foul.  Odom shooting 2. no good then good 30-27 2:26.
MV -- Odom steals on Bowers.
Saps -- Sanders misses. Watson fouls. Sanders Ft 2-2. 2:17 MV 30, Saps 29.
MV -- Songy fouls Bowers.  Ft 2-2. MV  32, Saps 29. 2:02 left.


Saps -- Songy misses a 3Fg. 1:43 left. Saps gets ball OOB. Rogan misses 3FG.
MV -- on the inbounds 1:26. Rogan fouls. Millsaps bench gets a warning.
MV -- Hernandez Ft 0-2. MV 32, Saps 29. Sanders rebs.
Saps -- 1:05 Bailey gets the reb. Sanders drives and good.  MV 32 Saps 31.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotswin on March 07, 2008, 09:56:48 PM
Ralph,
Where are you listening?  I am listening to the Maryville radio station over the web and I am a few minutes behind your updates.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 09:59:58 PM
Hello scots, Millsaps ESPN station in Jackson.

0:10 left.

Odom scores at the buzzer.  saps 33, MV 32. now
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 10:01:36 PM
I went to the front page of D3hoops.com looked on the right sidebar and clicked on the "A".  One "A" was Murvul, the other 'Saps!

Great game!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 10:15:12 PM
With Ralph posting the game, he's almost keeping up with the Majors' radio broadcast!  Good stuff. This game has been every bit what was advertised. Go Majors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 10:22:27 PM
Get ESPN Jackson!  It is more timely.

The Millsaps guy is doing a good job.  I might want more mentioning of the time and score, like every 30 secs.

Four lead changes 18:10.

MV -- Bailey steals
Saps -- Fastbreak no good
MV -- Sanders reb
Saps - Songy 3Fg.  Saps leads by 4.
MV -- Foul called on Sanders his 2nd.  Orr FT 0-2.  Edrick rebs. Saps 40 MV 36 .
Saps -- Orr holding on Sanders.  Orr's 3rd PF.  Hernandez subs.
Saps -- MV steals fastbreaks, Williamson  Saps 40 MV 38
Saps -- Odom fouled by Williamson Ft 1-2  Saps 41, MV 38.  16:16 Sanders rebs and  is fouled.  Ft  1-2.  Saps 42 MV 38. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 10:24:19 PM
MV -- Saps' Sanders gets a layup after a steal Saps 44 MV 38
MV --  FG, time out Saps 44-40. 15:20


Saps -- Watson fouls.  MV rebs.
MV -- Hernandez FG  Saps 44 MV 42 14:42 left.
Saps -- Watson fouls #3. Laverdiere in.
Saps -- Varnado steps on the in-line. Turnover. 14:20
MV-- Sanders rebs.
Saps -- Sanders layup Saps 46-42.
MV -- Rogan blocks
Saps -- MV rebs.
MV --  Martinez gets the foul for Saps. Johnson Ft  1-2.  Saps 44-41. MV gets the long reb.
MV -- Saps' Edrick Montgomery gets an over-the-back foul. His 3rd Saps has 5 team fouls.
MV -- Orr gets his 4ht PF.  Millsaps ball.
Saps -- Edrick shoots, LaVerdiere fouls, his 1st. Edrick shooting FT  2-2. Saps  46 MV 41.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 10:35:05 PM
Some good teams have taken it on the chin tonight.  Centre's nemesis from last season, Wooster lost a tough game to Wash U by 5. The very long Guilford Quakers were upset by St. Mary's by 12 at Greensboro. Proven, tough teams like these make you realize how hard it is to advance in the NCAA3.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 10:37:36 PM
MV -- Saps in 1-3-1 zone. Basket by Bowers good Saps 46, MV 43.
Saps -- MV rebs.
MV -- 11:20 left.  Rogan rebs.
Saps -- Rogan gets an offensive foul, his 3rd.
MV -- 10:50; trailing by 3. Fouled by Sanders, his 3rd team 7th. Bowers to the line. 1& 1, Millsaps leads 48-47.


Saps -- Bailey shoots, no good.  Bowers fouls.  Saps to the line with 1& 1 Sanders FT 1&1 both good, Saps 50 MV 47. 10:00.


MV  -- Turnover
Saps -- Bailey to Edrick FG Saps 52-47.
MV -- rebs. ball on the floor. Watson travels. 9:10.
Saps -- Edrick misses an alley-oop.  8:55.  8:39 MV steals
MV-- steal/block/steal MV now has it.  Airball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 10:42:59 PM
Saps -- Saps leads 52-47; 7:59 Saps 6-16 Fg, MV Fg 6-17.

Saps -- Edrick on the putback. Saps 54-47.
MV -- Edrick gets his 4th. 7:25 left. Johnson FT 1-2. Rogan rebs. Saps 54-48.
Saps -- Lorenzo Bailey 3Fg. Saps 57-48. Crowd comes alive.
MV -- Sanders rebs. Bailey 3FG again. Saps 60-48!
Timeout Murvul 6:48 left.


Saps -- Rogan gets his 4th foul, 9th team fouls.  MV Orr FT  2-2. Saps 60-50. 5:29 left.
Saps -- Edrick FG Saps 62-50.
MV -- no good.
Saps -- Reb by Hernandez
MV -- Songy fouls (his second, team 10th) Watson FT 2
-2. Saps 62-51. Saps ball.

Saps -- Edrick gets the stuff. 4:00
MV -- FG
Saps -- Edrick FG
MV -- Varnado fouls. Watson shooting 2-2. 66-56 Saps.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 10:51:10 PM
Saps -- MV's Johnson steals and gets the layup.  Saps lead by 8, 66-58. 3:06.

Saps -- Saps was 3-8 from 3FG. OOB, Turnover
MV --  Edrick blocks Odom.  MV gets a layup. 66-60.
Saps -- 2:20 left. Edrick FG, 18 points in the second half. Saps 68-60.
Saps -- Sanders 3Fg. 71-60
MV -- Watson 3Fg from 30' Saps 71-63. 2:00
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 10:51:10 PM
Saps -- MV's Johnson steals and gets the layup.  Saps lead by 8, 66-58. 3:06.

Saps -- Saps was 3-8 from 3FG. OOB, Turnover
MV --  Edrick blocks Odom.  MV gets a layup. 66-60.
Saps -- 2:20 left. Edrick FG, 18 points in the second half. Saps 68-60.
Saps -- Sanders 3Fg. 71-60
MV -- Watson 3Fg from 30' Saps 71-63. 2:00
Saps -- 1:35 Edrick layup. saps 73-63.
MV -- Layup Watson.  And one!  Millsaps 73- 66 (Edrick Montgomery fouls out.) 1:18 left.
Saps -- Bailey 1&1. Both good. Saps 75-66.
Saps ball -- Songy FT 1-1 Saps 77-66.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 10:58:22 PM
Edrick Montgomery is tearing it up for Millsaps in the 2nd half - he's carrying the Majors to the win column it would appear. Montgomery just fouled out with 28 points and his Majors up by 9.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 11:01:32 PM
MV -- Rogan rebs and is fouled.
Saps -- Rogan FT 1-2 Saps leads 78-66; 0:53.8
MV -- Odom steals.
Saps -- Songy FT  1-2. Saps 79-66. 0:40.3 secs


MV  Shumate 3Fg. 79-69
Saps -- Bailey fouled by Orr. 12.2 secs; FT  1-2. Saps 80-69
MV -- 3FG .

Millsaps 80 Maryville 72. Final
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 11:16:44 PM
Just a quick thank you to Dave McHugh for hanging in there at Centre tonight.  Posting for us in lieu of providing audio clearly wasn't as good as his normally strong call, but the postings did allow us to keep up with the game, particularly during the 2nd half.

The SCAC had a good night going 2-0. 

Centre 75 Franklin 61
Millsaps 80 Maryville 72

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 07, 2008, 11:36:54 PM
Box score etal from Millsaps game:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/ncaa-002.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 07, 2008, 11:37:01 PM
For you Maryville fan who said the Scots would dominate the Millsaps regional, Majors 80, Scots 72.  Montgomery dominates again... 20 points in the second half to finish with 28 total.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/ncaa-002.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 07, 2008, 11:43:47 PM
Congrats to Millsaps.  Scots were 4 for 24 from 3 pointland and cannot win like that.  Montgomery must be as good as y'all say.  Good luck!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2008, 11:45:15 PM
Listened to 2/3 of the game on 1240 - it was certainly a competitive one and Montgomery took center stage in a game in which he needed to deliver big. Impressive was the way Millsaps took control in the final 7-8 minutes of the game. This win should be big for getting the Majors ready to face another difficult foe tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 07, 2008, 11:54:17 PM
Sorry everyone for the audio problems on the second game. I would love to tell you I know what happened... but I simply didn't. I would have given better updates on the 2nd half, but I was also distracted trying to get the audio back for all of you.

Thanks for the compliment, I certainly appreciate it. I seriously hope to have the game ready to broadcast tomorrow night... if not (and I really don't it to be a "not")... I will post again for you all.

As for the weather... this former Chicagoian and New Englander can certainly handle it, but it is very nasty down here. When I went out to the car after the games, it was sleeting and snowing - eventually leading to it sleeting so hard it was hurting to just get the ice off the car... and it seemed to be POURING sleet.

Not sure what tomorrow has in store, but since I am here, I won't be going anywhere :)!

Quick notes on the teams:
Very impressed in Ohio Wesleyan, they shot very well and the dominated on the boards.

Pretty impressed in Centre, they kept battling against a pesky Franklin team - however, they seem to have trouble keeping a team from coming back on them - might be trouble against OWU.

Franklin showed me that they wanted to be here and were a very good team - too bad they were overshadowed in the Midwest.

A bit disappointed in Heidelberg... they did NOT play well and never got into the game, no matter what they tried!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 08, 2008, 12:11:17 AM
Link to Millsaps story about the Friday night game:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/030708release.shtml

Also, congratulations to Centre on their win Friday night and good luck to them on Saturday.  Go SCAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on March 08, 2008, 09:34:01 AM
Centre v. OWU tonight. Former assistant (Mason/Centre) and Head Coach(DeWitt/Centre/OWU) meet. OWU is a power team with length and breadth.
They look like a bunch of tight ends on the court. Centre will have their hands full with their front court game, and OWU will have to stop Nestide and Britt, and stay out of foul trouble doing it. Will be Centre's toughest opponent of the year. I hope I can get back to Danville. I have 10" of snow on the ground now, and its still a white-out!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 11:16:04 AM
The game tonight between Centre and Ohio Wesleyan will be one of somewhat contrasting styles. Colonels unquestionably present outstanding guard play relying on unselfish precision passing to get great looks at the basket. Tonight they'll have to turn open looks into points and/or fouls leading to made free throws. Implicit in this will be the need for the guards to drive the ball to the hoop or there won't be much opportunity on the perimeter or many fouls to Centre's benefit. Colonels will need to win on the hustle side getting loose balls and a few 2nd chance cracks at the hoop. OWU counters with an excellent front-court game that will put incredible pressure on a defense. Centre will be challenged immensely to stop the Bishops in the paint let alone keep them off the offensive glass. OWU has a very creditable perimeter game if all defensive attention is diverted to the low block. For Centre to win they'll need to grasp the offensive tempo from the get-go, play superior defense and get at least 25 free throw attempts. If OWU can score at will either inside or on the perimeter, and generate many 2nd and 3rd shot chances, they'll win. A senior player on one of these teams tonight will be a difference-maker who will impact the outcome of this game. Lace them up, gentlemen!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 08, 2008, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: Major_Fan on March 07, 2008, 11:37:01 PM
For you Maryville fan who said the Scots would dominate the Millsaps regional, Majors 80, Scots 72.  Montgomery dominates again... 20 points in the second half to finish with 28 total.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/ncaa-002.htm

Congrats to Millsaps & Centre for representing the SCAC well.

Major Fan, I doubt you're a favorite with any of the teams you guys beat when you get on here and gloat.  Of course, maybe being a favorite isn't your desire!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 08, 2008, 11:35:57 AM
Let's see, first time we have 26 wins in a season and we knock off one of the hottest teams in the country in Maryville.  Aren't you allowed to gloat??  I think it's alright to talk crap back to a poster from Maryville who said that he was 100% sure they would win this 4-team regional with ease.  Plus, what does that have to do with Hendrix?? I was clear in my posting to whom I was talking to, the comment was completely to -mcalumnifan-.  In his post... I will make this prediction about the Maryville vs. Millsaps game.  Maryville pretty much ALWAYS wins the first round games over the past 10 consecutive years.   Maryville lost 2 games this year.  One to Averett who is in the tournament at Guilford; and one to Emory who had one of the toughest schedules of the year and who beat the #1 team Rochester.  And Maryville destroyed Rust College in our favorite state to play Mississippi by 50 points!!!!  And I know all of you know from Millsaps how tough it is to win at Rust.  While the #2 school Centre lost to them.  Mark my words.  Maryville will sweep the first two rounds in Mississippi NO Question (they beat Mary Hardin last year in the 1st round) and get in the final 16.  They will probably play Guilford and if they get this far they could go all the way.  Division 3 basketball is always the same; any given day any team can beat any other.  Good Luck to all the teams.  Go Scots!!!...

Now do you see why I said something back to him??  I simply stated the score and said that Montgomery dominated again.  If I'm correct, you were giving Montgomery credit as well in your previous posts saying that he was taking over the game.  I did the same.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 08, 2008, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on March 08, 2008, 11:35:57 AM
Plus, what does that have to do with Hendrix?? 

Good luck in the game, and also to the Colonels!

I refuse to respond to your rant.  Just remember you're representing the SCAC, of which we're all members.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on March 08, 2008, 12:57:52 PM
Major Fan-I thought you response to the Maryville fan after Millsaps great win was rather gentlemanly and benign. I would have gloated more considering the comments that were made pre-game by not one but two Maryville fans. Perhaps they have academic envy for not being a member of the SCAC. Have a great game today, and may we meet in Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 01:14:01 PM
Major_Fan, I had no issue with your post to the MC guys. They had been putting it in the faces of SCAC posters for several weeks before the tournament that they were going spank whomever they were matched with from the SCAC. MC has an excellent basketball program that competes hard annually, and they simply got beat by the better team last night. Your post encapsulated what other SCAC posters were thinking. Hopefully we do carry on some half-way intelligent exchanges when posting while also exhibiting our respective allegiances for our SCAC teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 08, 2008, 01:28:11 PM
In no way did I intend to offend any SCAC fans by the recent posts.  I'm just extremely passionate about Millsaps athletics as are you guys about your particular schools and wanted to make a quick post about Montgomery's play.  Maybe because I had 10 seconds to post something and directed a quick hit at mcalumnifan it looked worse than I intended.  I want the entire SCAC to succeed and am very happy both Centre and Millsaps advanced to Saturday.  Maryville was a very talented bunch and they'll be back, but our focus tonight is on Mary Hardin-Baylor who has a pair of towers in the post.  I've never been a message board guy, and the D3board is the first time I've tried it so I'll try to make my comments reflect the positives.  It's always hard to get what someone's truly trying to say in text... much better in person.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 08, 2008, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on March 08, 2008, 01:28:11 PM
In no way did I intend to offend any SCAC fans by the recent posts.  I'm just extremely passionate about Millsaps athletics as are you guys about your particular schools and wanted to make a quick post about Montgomery's play.  Maybe because I had 10 seconds to post something and directed a quick hit at mcalumnifan it looked worse than I intended.  I want the entire SCAC to succeed and am very happy both Centre and Millsaps advanced to Saturday.  Maryville was a very talented bunch and they'll be back, but our focus tonight is on Mary Hardin-Baylor who has a pair of towers in the post.  I've never been a message board guy, and the D3board is the first time I've tried it so I'll try to make my comments reflect the positives.  It's always hard to get what someone's truly trying to say in text... much better in person.  ;)

Well, I guess I'm wrong because I certainly respect what the other guys said.

I guess I'm just a turn-the-other-cheek guy and try not to lower myself to the level of posters like the guy from maryville.

I'll hang up and listen  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 02:13:32 PM
You're a class act HendrixFan; probably a whole lot better than the rest of us on the board.  Keep posting positive things - it'll help the rest of us who do exhibit a habit of ranting from time to time! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 08, 2008, 02:18:01 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 02:13:32 PM
You're a class act HendrixFan; probably a whole lot better than the rest of us on the board.  Keep posting positive things - it'll help the rest of us who do exhibit a habit of ranting from time to time! 

BTW, I think I saw you in Conway last week but didn't get the chance to ask if it was you. 
I couldn't think of anyone else who would be wearing a Hendrix shirt talking to the Centre coaches!!!

I will catch up with you next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 02:28:50 PM
That was indeed me.  I had a Centre jersey on over my Hendrix t-shirt for the Centre game, and removed my Centre attire for the Hendrix game.  I was pulling hard for the Warriors against Millsaps; they gave the Majors a great game; something on which to build for next season.  I'll probably be following Hendrix closer next year.  My allegiance to Centre goes back a number of years.  I'll make a point of looking for you next time I'm at Hendrix.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 08, 2008, 03:19:33 PM
OK I was going to let the boasting-taunting "discussion" pass until the crack about academic envy from OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE.  Maryville did lose to what probably was a better team which was playing in its own gym and which had a better game last night.  The chiding from some Maryville fans pre-game called out for a response after Millsaps won, but the response about academic envy was unprovoked. 

I suppose we also have class envy in that SCAC schools, except for one, have loads of money which translates into lots of what might pass for academic advantages...can pay more for faculty and facilities and for financial support for student-athletes.  I am not sure it follows that us poor souls who are deprived of an SCAC education should have "academic envy."

SCAC schools are very good institutions which graduate good folks who are well trained and most of whom make positive contributions to the world.    There are exceptions.

I hope both SCAC teams do well the rest of the way and look forward to playing SCAC schools again in the future.  I especially look forward to the "you'll work for us someday" chants we expect at certain places.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 04:19:41 PM
Curious as to whether D3HOOPS will be able to make the audio call tonight from Alumni Gym at Centre tonight?  I know the plan was to broadcast if technical issues don't intervene. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on March 08, 2008, 04:29:05 PM
Congratulatons to Millsaps and Centre...and good luck to each team today!  The Millsaps-MHB game should be a good one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 08:39:29 PM
Congratulations to Centre on finishing another wonderful season at 26-3.  They were defeated tonight by an outstanding Ohio Wesleyan squad with tremendous senior leadership.  Not the easiest way for seniors from Centre, Britt and Nestheide, to go out.  In a way it was fitting to finish on the home court though.  My hat's off to Mike Dewitt, Ohio Wesleyan and NCAC on a very solid performance.  Best of luck to the Battling Bishops as they move in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on March 08, 2008, 09:10:44 PM
what were the maryville fans doing? i'm confused ???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 09:57:07 PM
Quote from: d3allstar on March 08, 2008, 09:10:44 PM
what were the maryville fans doing? i'm confused ???
We had been referring to some of the comments Maryville posters had mentioned on the SCAC and their own league board during the past 2-3 weeks.  Nothing major just a lot boasting.

Millsaps has just pulled out an exciting 57-56 win in Jackson on a Chad Songy 3-pointer with 2 seconds to play.  A Thomas Britt type of play!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 08, 2008, 10:03:07 PM
Can someone from this conference please explained why there were media timeouts in tonights game. Last night Fontbonne was told there would be no media timeouts in this weekends games.

Fontbonne plays basically 6 players and the extra timeouts could of made a difference in the FU v. MH-B game.

How can you play these games under different conditions? This is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: fcnews on March 08, 2008, 10:03:07 PM
Can someone from this conference please explained why there were media timeouts in tonights game. Last night Fontbonne was told there would be no media timeouts in this weekends games.

Fontbonne plays basically 6 players and the extra timeouts could of made a difference in the FU v. MH-B game.

How can you play these games under different conditions? This is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!
It is not the conference with whom you need to address this grievance. It is the NCAA!

Were there media present from Fontbonne?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on March 08, 2008, 10:05:29 PM
A thrilling win for the Majors tonight!  One lead change in the entire game.  That came when Chad Songy connected on a three-pointer with 2.3 seconds left that helped Millsaps take a 1 point lead.  The Majors heading to the Sweet 16!  Congratulations to Millsaps!

On another note....hats off to UMHB on a fine season and to our fellow SCAC school, Centre, for a season well played.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 10:05:57 PM
Centre went up against a top-notch team from the NCAC in Ohio Wesleyan tonight.  This is a reminder of the physical and mental strength of the Wooster team Centre faced last year in the 2nd round of the NCAA III tournament.  The Colonels got off to a nice start with a 10-0 run.  The Battling Bishops didn't quit
and were able to break into the lead late in the 1st half.  Centre held tough and played hard to keep the game close until about the 10 minute mark of the 2nd half. OWU then made a nice run to build the lead to double digits.  Centre had one last run, but couldn't sustain it with 5 minutes to go.  Ohio Wesleyan
then played like a champ building the lead to the final margin of 82-65.  

Centre had a wonderful season, and played successfully using their superior strength - smart, solid guard play.  Good balanced teams like Ohio Wesleyan are able to offset Centre's strength by exposing the team's weakness - inferior post play.  There are many teams throughout the NCAC and other conferences that are comprised of teams similar to Ohio Wesleyan that play a physical inside/outside style of basketball.  The Bishops scored their share of points in the paint tonight with Jessee Jean and Dustin Rudegeair backing down their opponents but they were also hitting big threes all night - Kyle Holliday hit 2 big ones late in the game, and Brian Cafarella simply hit anything he put up.  What I am saying is the Bishops' style of basketball is indicative of the best of D3 basketball throughout the land.  Coach Greg Mason has done a fabulous job working a different system to get amazing results.  The SCAC is a conference that has few teams like those of the NCAC or OAC. Centre did not play many teams of Ohio Wesleyan's caliber this season.  This probably also explains the fact OWU has 7 losses while marching on, and Centre has 3 in bowing out of the D3 tourney.  I now have an appreciation for strength of schedule that was easy to ignore when watching the Colonels go on a 25-game winning streak.  I am not saying Centre had a weak schedule, but rather a weaker schedule than teams in the NCAC or some of the other power conferences across D3.  I also have not given credit where credit is due to good defense - OWU played it tonight.  Wooster played it last year against Centre as well.  The defensive side frequently is overlooked when you're generating 80+ points on the offensive end and I'm guilty of not recognizing this.

With all of this said, I am very proud of the Centre team's accomplishments in a record-setting season that produced a 26-3 record.  Seniors Thomas Britt and Matt Nestheide, you provided a lot of exciting moments for an old-timer.  Through the course of the past 4 seasons, I have grown to become a D3 fanatic thanks to the Centre Colonels and their coach, Greg Mason.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 08, 2008, 10:34:41 PM
Ralph Turner - I didn't mean it was a conference decision. I was hoping someone from Millsaps could answer the question. You are very right that the games were played under the guidance and supervision of the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 10:35:34 PM
Frank, you're moving on - congratulations!  Songy saved the day for the Majors - incredible that they win this game despite shooting 27%.  I think this is an important win for Millsaps, particularly the way you won the game.  This shows a certain amount of mental toughness I wasn't sure the Majors possessed earlier this season.  Hope your team continues to grow from this experience and ultimately goes to Salem.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on March 08, 2008, 10:44:44 PM
As I understand it, the decision of whether to utilize media timeouts is made by the regional tournament director.   Because of the double-header yesterday, media timeouts may not have been used so that the games could be played in a reasonable time frame and so that the second game could start as close to on time as possible. 

Today's game would have had no good reason not to utilize the media timeouts particularly when both teams were broadcasting the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 08, 2008, 10:49:28 PM
Were media timeouts used last night in the Maryville v. Millsaps game? There was no game following that one to stay on time for. The three games should have been played under the same conditions to have the playing field be level.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on March 08, 2008, 11:04:23 PM
Quote from: fcnews on March 08, 2008, 10:49:28 PM
Were media timeouts used last night in the Maryville v. Millsaps game? There was no game following that one to stay on time for. The three games should have been played under the same conditions to have the playing field be level.

pobresita... c'mon now.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 08, 2008, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2008, 10:35:34 PM
Frank, you're moving on - congratulations!  Songy saved the day for the Majors - incredible that they win this game despite shooting 27%.  I think this is an important win for Millsaps, particularly the way you won the game.  This shows a certain amount of mental toughness I wasn't sure the Majors possessed earlier this season.  Hope your team continues to grow from this experience and ultimately goes to Salem.  

pbrooks3--thank you, thank you, thank you.  This weekend was the most incredible sporting event I've seen at Millsaps because of the tremendous student support for the basketball team.  I was down on the floor so I was getting a full blast of the cheers from both stands and at times it was deafening.  I think you were the one who pointed out the important contribution Chad Songy made to the team at the SCAC Tournament and that was a reflection of what he has done all season.  Chad was 1 of 9 for the game when he launched his 3-pointer with just seconds left on the clock.  How he got it off and how it went in is a mystery.  It wasn't as spectacular as a 15 laternal play in football, but maybe Millsaps was due for a stunning play that gave them a regional championship.

I'm working on photos, but I'll write more when time allows.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 08, 2008, 11:22:27 PM
Game winning 3-pointer by Chad Songy in the Millsaps win over UMHB:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi8.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa38%2FF_L_E%2FMisc%2520Photos%2FBlogger%2520Photos%2FIMG_0700Large.jpg&hash=760de3766d8c60f68f88466d4c985b1973d014ba)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi8.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa38%2FF_L_E%2FMisc%2520Photos%2FBlogger%2520Photos%2FIMG_0701Large.jpg&hash=f4137e269f0dcc6e1d3ca34f0431d1ed3363a955)

Link to box score for game:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/ncaa-003.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 08, 2008, 11:25:07 PM
Quote from: d3allstar on March 08, 2008, 11:04:23 PM
Quote from: fcnews on March 08, 2008, 10:49:28 PM
Were media timeouts used last night in the Maryville v. Millsaps game? There was no game following that one to stay on time for. The three games should have been played under the same conditions to have the playing field be level.

pobresita... c'mon now.

d3allstar- I think that the question I asked was pretty simple. Yes or No, would do.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 11:52:43 PM
Tough game for UMHB...

Thanks for the box score--

UMHB's Jason Wagner was playing (only 13 minutes) with a torn ACL, and Matt Dickey only played 6 minutes with his broken hand (probably not fully healed).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 11:53:43 PM
Frank, congratulations on the shot...

and how much will you charge Mrs. Songy for that photo?   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 09, 2008, 12:00:16 AM
Good line Ralph.  Remind me that you deserve more karma!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 09, 2008, 12:06:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 11:53:43 PM
Frank, congratulations on the shot...

and how much will you charge Mrs. Songy for that photo?   :D

At Christmas, Mrs. Songy gave me a giant batch of a chocolate treat that is sort of a Songy family tradition--it's as sweet as Chad's game winning shot.  There's a possibility that I might see another batch of chocolate before next Christmas rolls around.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 12:16:08 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 09, 2008, 12:06:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 11:53:43 PM
Frank, congratulations on the shot...
and how much will you charge Mrs. Songy for that photo?   :D
At Christmas, Mrs. Songy gave me a giant batch of a chocolate treat that is sort of a Songy family tradition--it's as sweet as Chad's game winning shot.  There's a possibility that I might see another batch of chocolate before next Christmas rolls around.
Okay Millsaps Moms, remember that the photographer can be bought with chocolate!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 09, 2008, 12:18:17 AM
Since I guess my question will not be addressed, I'll post on something more positive.

The Fontbonne coaches, players and fans would like to compliment Millsaps and the athletic department on a great job of hosting. The southern hospitality was incredible, as usual. Special thanks to the O'Charley's on County Line Rd. who kept their restaurant open an extra hour on thursday for us. We had the late practice time. Also, to the Logan Roadhouse, who accomadated our party of 60 on a busy friday night.

The experience of playing in The Hangar will not soon be forgotten. Boy that place can get loud. And a special thanks to our hostess from Millsaps who's name I'm drawing a blank on ( point guard on the womens team ) what a delightfull young lady.

Only sour note, our charter bus tires were slashed at the hotel late last night. We didn't find out till we were ready to depart this morning. But hey, that can happen anywhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 12:25:09 AM
Quote from: fcnews on March 09, 2008, 12:18:17 AM
Since I guess my question will not be addressed, I'll post on something more positive.
...
fcnews, I don't think that anyone is ignoring the question.  I certainly don't have the answer.

I recommend that you submit the question as an IM to Hoopsville, and let the D3hoops .com gurus run with it.

:)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on March 09, 2008, 12:30:50 AM
fcnews,
The Millsaps/Maryville game did have media, and there were no media timeouts to my knowledge.  Based on what I gathered from your initial post, I believe the decision must have been made to not utilize media timeouts for the first day only.    

At any rate, most D-III teams don't utilize media timeouts during the regular season, and Fontbonne and UMHB were playing the same game yesterday with no media timeouts....so there was no arguable disadvantage in my opinion.

Glad Fontbonne enjoyed their time in Jackson!

 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 12:33:09 AM
www.ncaasports.com/broadcast (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4107.2235)

Here are the guidelines that I could find.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 09, 2008, 12:37:17 AM
fcnews, thanks for the kind words about Millsaps and the athletic department.  From what I could tell, it looked like almost every coach at Millsaps was involved in some way with the running of the tournament.  Millsaps is also lucky to have a great SID in Kevin Maloney who does an outstanding job on everything he tackles.

For the record, I understand the reason for your question about the media timeouts.  Fontbonne played a terrific game Friday night with a shot at the buzzer that would have sent the game into overtime.  In a game so close, a little extra rest and instructional time could make a difference in the outcome of the game, especially for a team that subs very little.  And with tonight's game being so close, it is a reasonable argument to say that the media timeouts on Friday might have resulted in a sweet 16 berth for your team--we'll just never know.

I would try to help you out on the name of the hostess from the women's team, but they had several point guards and I think all the players on the team are delightful.  Millsaps has a coach who is really turning the program around and I won't be surprised if the Lady Majors go dancing into the postseason in the near future.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 09, 2008, 12:46:05 AM
Thanks Frank.
As it would appear, do to travel expenses, you all may be headed to St' Louis next weekend. If there are any questions on hotels, restaurants,....ect. Feel free to ask. I live about four miles from both Fontbonne and Wash U. I'm very familar with the area.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 09, 2008, 01:25:55 AM
Cori Tucker was the Fontbonne University host.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 09, 2008, 01:34:54 AM
Thanks Major Fan, we were wanting to drop her a Thank You note in the mail. She's a great example for Millsaps College. When your 500 miles from home it's nice to see a smile when you arrive each day.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 09, 2008, 09:08:58 AM
In Coach Tim Wise's first year at Millsaps, he started 5 guards including a 6'1" post who really couldn't jump very well, and he won 5 games.  I say with total sincerity that it was the best coaching job I have ever seen in my life.  A handful of you have been around the SCAC long enough to remember the 2003-04 Millsaps team.  I apolgize to the members of that team in advance (including current assistant coach Justin LeBlanc), but few coaches could have won a single game with that shallow talent pool.  They won with tremendous preparation and tremendous heart.

With far more talent on the current roster, some casual observers may not see just how much of the Millsaps success this season is still due to preparation and coaching.  I know that Coach Wise will never win the NCAA Mr. Congeniality award, an award that isn't won by the intense personalities, but he is one heck of a coach and he has a knack for getting the absolute most out of the talent on his team.  Last night was a flashback to 2003-04 as an undersized Millsaps team found a way to win with defense and intensity on one of their poorest shooting nights of the season. 

I wish I could better express in words my admiration for the coaching job done by Coach Wise and Coach LeBlanc this season, but for that task I'm an undertalented writer.  Besides, most people would just brush it aside as home school over zealous hype.  So let me just say directly to the two people who matter the most--Tim and Justin, you guys have done a fantastic job this season and have a safe trip and great success this weekend.  I hope you two come away from the film room and practice court long enough to see this post.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 09, 2008, 09:33:30 AM
One more quick post before I go to work to set up my new office and some Unix printers (wish me luck on those).  Here's a link to Millsaps SID Kevin Maloney's story on last night's game.  It worth taking the two minutes to read:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/030808release.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 09, 2008, 01:49:47 PM
For Millsaps family and students traveling to STL next weekend. There are to hotels at Hampton and Interstate 44, Red Roof and a nice Holiday Inn. Both are priced with in mosts budgets. Holiday Inn would be my first choice. These are five minutes from campus. The Drury Inn at Union Station is a more upscaled choice. Fifteen minutes tops and in the heart of the entertainment area. Just thought I'd toss it out. Safe travels.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 09, 2008, 02:39:38 PM
Just wanted to congratulate Millsaps for their win last night. UMHB was a terrible matchup for them due to their size, and they found a way to win a game they trailed throughout. Great atmosphere last night and Songy's game-winner was as big a shot as you will see in the tourney this year.

Every year the winner of the tourney has some good fortune along the way, and Millsaps could be that kind of team. With Guilford, Augustana and Stevens Point all out already, the sectional is wide open. UMHB probably won't be the best team Millsaps faces, but they might have been the worst matchup for the Majors. Now that they've found a way to get past that hurdle, they certainly have a chance to get to Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 09, 2008, 04:27:05 PM
Sounds like if MC and FU had matched up, it may have been a three point shoot out. It would of featured 3 very good deep threats. MC's Bailey and FU's McCoy and Branch. FU's two guards combined for 146 3's (each avg. 3 per game) and McCoy is currently seventh in the nation in 3 pt.% (47%). Maybe we need to travel back to Jackson for an early season non - conf. game next year.


MH-B would be a tough match up for most every D3 team. A lot of size and very athletic, reminded me of alot of good Juco teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 04:35:21 PM
D3hoops.com will be broadcasting the entire St. Louis sectional: Pat Coleman and sounds like Bob Quillman (yay!) on the call.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 10, 2008, 08:49:11 AM
Still think the way the Majors scrapped and clawed to pull out the win Saturday night is good for their confidence.  Frank had noted a number of times during the season how easy it was for the team to play streaky and give up big leads. St. Mary's (MD) will be another quality opponent for Millsaps, but one they can handle if they play well. The scary match-up at this point would be Millsaps-Wash U in a potential game to reach the final 4.  Wash U seems to be clicking and the Majors would earn big time stripes if they could knock them off to get to Salem. First things first with St Mary's!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 10, 2008, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 09, 2008, 09:33:30 AM
One more quick post before I go to work to set up my new office and some Unix printers (wish me luck on those).  Here's a link to Millsaps SID Kevin Maloney's story on last night's game.  It worth taking the two minutes to read:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/030808release.shtml

In the story as of today is the clip from ESPN Radio 1240 AM's Derrel Palmer.  It's in the lead paragraph, just click on the link in the story that says .... 2.3 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on March 10, 2008, 06:03:15 PM
the lead highlight of the evening SportsCenter tonight?  Songy hitting the three to win against UMHB.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on March 10, 2008, 07:31:21 PM
Yep, and you know what the funny thing is... A UMHB fan had a sign in the crowd that said "Didn't we see you on TV, 15 Laterals?"

That, my friends is karma and a little payback from the TU football play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 10, 2008, 08:56:37 PM
For those who are interested, I've posted photos from the Maryville vs. Millsaps game on the Millsaps photo website.  I've still have a ways to go to finish the photos from the UMHB game.  Here's the link to the Maryville game photos:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/Basketball_NCAA_Tournament/Millsaps_vs_Maryville_03-07-08/

(I assume that most people know that the small photos are just thumbnails and you get a bigger image by clicking on a thumbnail.  I personally prefer to just use the slideshow feature that's near the top right of the screen.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2008, 09:00:24 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on March 10, 2008, 07:31:21 PM
Yep, and you know what the funny thing is... A UMHB fan had a sign in the crowd that said "Didn't we see you on TV, 15 Laterals?"
That, my friends is karma and a little payback from the TU football play. 
:D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on March 11, 2008, 09:47:35 AM
The SCAC has been getting some ESPN press; Austin Brown's 50 ft Buzzer Beater to lift DePauw over Centre, the Millsaps and Trinity 15 lateral play to win the game and now Songy's 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 11, 2008, 06:02:28 PM
Hey if you can't get recognized in D3 sometimes you have to step it up to the big media lights!  Kidding of course.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 01:47:39 PM
You may have already done this, but in case you haven't, I encourage you all to register to win the Salem prize package.

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/


• Hotel accommodations for Thursday, Friday and Saturday in one of the Roanoke Valley's fine hotels, convenient to Roanoke Regional Airport and Valley View Mall, the largest shopping destination in Southwest Virginia.

• Two tickets to the Friday and Saturday sessions at the Salem Civic Center.

• Two tickets to the Thursday evening team banquet, including talks by all four coaches, a player from each team, the introduction of the starting lineup and the ever-popular highlight video.

• Two VIP hospitality passes, giving you sideline access before the game and access to the hospitality room.

• $400 toward your travel cost to get you to and around the Roanoke Valley.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on March 12, 2008, 02:26:27 PM
What Pat doesn't tell you is that that prize was donated by one 'wiley123', after his plans to see his Centre Colonels in Salem fell through. He no longer had any use for those arrangements that he said he made after Centre beat DPU.  ;)

A trip to Salem would be pretty neat, but I'm personally hoping to be in Holland, Michigan that weekend. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 12, 2008, 07:18:38 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on March 12, 2008, 02:26:27 PM
What Pat doesn't tell you is that that prize was donated by one 'wiley123', after his plans to see his Centre Colonels in Salem fell through. He no longer had any use for those arrangements that he said he made after Centre beat DPU.  ;)

:D 

Now that's funny.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 14, 2008, 01:39:21 PM
I am picking Millsaps to win by 5 in St Louis tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 14, 2008, 04:59:43 PM
Fontbonne players and coaches will be pulling for Millsaps tonight. Hope to meet some of the group coming up from Jackson.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on March 14, 2008, 08:51:21 PM
A fast, back and forth game between Millsaps and St. Mary's (MD) tonight.....The Majors used a strong performance from Edrick Montogomery and excellent free-throw shooting down the stretch to seal the 82-73 win.  With the win, Millsaps advances to the round of 8 for the first time in school history and becomes just the 3rd SCAC team to advance to the round of 8.



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 14, 2008, 09:11:26 PM
Frank, I only missed the final margin of victory by 4; I should have been more bold with my prediction!  I think you can now speak of this as special season, special team and special coach.  Isn't it amazing how things have swung over the final chapters of the season.  Centre had the great regular season run, but Millsaps has enjoyed the sweet taste of post-season play to achieve a school record in D3 tourney play.  Good to see that all three SCAC teams (DPU and OU girls) won to advance tonight.  Congratuations!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 14, 2008, 09:39:14 PM
It was a very good night for SCAC basketball.  Edrick Montgomery had 27 points and 20 rebounds in 28 minutes--maybe he wasn't consider the SCAC POTY but I think he has some bigger post season honors coming his way.  Glad to see Rodney Rogan have a big night, scoring some big baskets while Montgomery was on the bench with his 4th foul and Songy hit a ton of free throws down the stretch to maintain and increase the Millsaps lead.

Millsaps box score:  http://bearsports.wustl.edu/mensbball/NCAA1.HTM

By the way, it has been a very good day for Millsaps athletics as Millsaps beat Austin in both baseball and softball today and they were leading the U. of Dallas by a bunch in softball when I left that game to get to my computer for the basketball game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 14, 2008, 10:13:48 PM
Coach Tim Wise is being interviewed at halftime.  Interesting comments about how to prepare for the next opponent, Wash U or Buena Vista?  Tomorrow's game, regardless of opponent, should be an exciting one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 15, 2008, 11:24:22 AM
This will be a tough assignment tonight against a quality opponent with proven inside/outside players for Millsaps.  As if that's not enough, Wash U gets the home court.  Grizzlies seem to be able to rely on a different step-up player each night. Last night they faced a Buena Vista squad with length and hot shooters that gave them fits. But in the end, Wash U got it done as they so often do. Key match-up tonight will be Montgomery-Rogan against Ruth-Nading. Nading struggled last night and expect him to be tough as nails tonight with his mid-range game. Go luck Majors - play your best!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 15, 2008, 12:44:10 PM
pbrooks - Ruths is going to get his. Nading is the one that needs to be contained. But, Millsaps guards better be on their best defensive game, to keep the Bears perimeter game from killing them. MC should be able to use their athletism to their advantage.

As a comparison to a team you saw in Jackson: Fontbonne lost to Wash U. early this season by 16. FU held Ruths to 15 points on 6-16 shooting and Nading to just 6 pts. 2-6. But, Wash U. hit 14 of 20 from beyond the arc.

FU also had 6 blocks to WU's 1. FU hit on just 8-22 from three's.

Your kids played a tough game last night. But, their 1-3-1 zone may get punished by Thompson and O'Boyle.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 15, 2008, 02:14:57 PM
Millsaps needs to use its quickness to its advantage tonight. They'll also need to switch up defenses some to make things rougher for Wash U. I think Wash U is likely to be the team cutting down the nets in Salem next Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 15, 2008, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 19, 2008, 10:24:57 PM
I've hesitated to join in the discussion because singing the praises of a specific player seems to do two things:  (1) By saying one person deserves the POTY, some will take that as being negative about their candidate.  (2) By talking about how valuable a person is to his team, it can sound a little demeaning to that player's teammates.

Let me just say about Edrick that it would be hard to think of a player being more valuable to his team than Edrick.  Most of you know that Millsaps isn't a very big team with Edrick being listed at 6'6", Rodney Rogan at 6'5", and Chris Sanders at 6'4", and the rest of the main players are guards.  That's one of the reasons Millsaps is being outrebounded by 2 per game--think what it would be like without Edrick's 9 per game.  In addition, Edrick is counted on heavily for defense in the middle, going against bigger players and knowing that he can't afford to get in foul trouble.

Also, keep in mind what happen when Rodney Rogan was injured in the Trinity game.  Prior to that injury, Rodney was playing well enough to be a POTY candidate.  After the injury, Edrick has really stepped up his game with some much needed performances:

Colorado College--28 points, 13 rebounds
Austin--22 points, 15 rebounds
Centre--34 points, 13 rebounds
DePauw--22 points, 9 rebounds
Rhodes--31 points, 15 rebounds
Birmingham--30 points, 13 rebounds
Austin--21 points, 12 rebounds
Southwestern--17 points, 9 rebounds

He has played well enough to be named to the D3 National team of the week twice.  He has led Millsaps, now a 21-3 team, in scoring in 10 of their 24 games (and 9 of their last 14) and in rebounding in 16 of those games.  As I said earlier, it is hard to imagine that there is another player who means more to their team and this is a team that could very easily be in the top 5 like Centre if this had been the year for Centre and DePauw to travel to Jackson.

In addition, and who knows if anyone will factor this into their thinking, maybe there should be some consideration for long term excellence in the league:

--Edrick came in as a sophomore and averaged 15.8 ppg and 8.4 rpg, 8th and 2nd in the SCAC.
--As a junior he averaged 17.1 ppg and 9.8 rpg, 2nd and tied for 1st in the SCAC.  Many people felt it was enough for POTY but Centre was 24-5 and Millsaps was 18-9.
--This year Edrick is averaging 15.9 ppg and 9.1 rpg, 6th and 3rd in the SCAC.

For three years Edrick has been near the top of the league in the two main areas that you look for in a center, scoring and rebounding.  While the award is "Player of the YEAR", maybe there should be some consideration for a player who has been such a factor for 3 straight years.

Pbrooks3, that's my attempt to try and sell you on Edrick.  I know that others here can make a strong case for their favorites, but this is just my argument in favor or Edrick and I don't plan on debating his pros and cons against the other players in the running.  Ultimately it won't matter what we all think; it will be what the 12 SCAC coaches think.  It won't be an easy decision.

I don't expect anyone to read all of the above and the SCAC POTY award is old news by now.  My point being made at the time was that while Edrick's numbers weren't leading the league in any category, he had the ability to do more if more was needed because of injuries, etc. 

I doubt that many of you looked at the box score yesterday.  If you did, then you might have noticed that Chris Sanders only played 18 minutes yesterday with 1 rebound and 0 points.  I don't know his situation except that I've been told that Chris will not play tonight so he must have been far from full strength last night.  Edrick responded with 27 points and 20 rebounds in 28 minutes. 

It appears that Millsaps will be playing with a 7 man rotation this evening, Edrick and Rodney Rogan plus 5 guards--Chad Songy, Lorenzo Bailey, Allen Odum, Cameron Varnado, and Blake Martinez.  It's possible that Russell Booth will get a few minutes in the post and I won't be surprised if freshman Cody Aucoin gets his first minutes of NCAA Tournament play.  Playing a team like Washington at their place and with such limited numbers, one might expect an easy victory for the home team.  That might be the result, but I saw in Coach Wise's first season that he is a master at staying in a game when the odds look bleak.  Hopefully this is the night that Millsaps finally gets redhot from the outside.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 15, 2008, 08:20:07 PM
Chris Sanders is playing tonight--a surprise to me and apparently to Coach Wise since he is the one who said in an email that Chris would not be available this evening.  He must be under the weather--it will be interesting to see how many minutes they get from Sanders.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 15, 2008, 08:45:14 PM
Millsaps is up at the half 27-18.  Announcers speculate that Millsaps is probably the most athletic team that Washington U. has played all year.  Millsaps is an athletic team, but not necessarily head-and-shoulders above several other SCAC teams.  Regardless of how tonight's game turns out, apparently the SCAC isn't such a weak sister conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 15, 2008, 09:49:33 PM
What a great season for the Millsaps team.  I thought they had a team that could win the SCAC West and the SCAC Tournament, but that was no easy task so I consider those both great accomplishments.  Then to break the school record for wins and to get to the Elite 8 in the NCAA Tournament--I would have never predicted those things at the beginning of the season.

I said Millsaps needed to be hot from outside to win tonight.  I was wrong as they would have won if they were just lukewarm from behind the arc instead of hitting only 3 of 26.  Rogan and Montgomery did a great job of scoring inside against a bigger team (all teams seem to be bigger than Millsaps) and they were both rewarded by being named to the all-tournament team.

There's no question that Millsaps could have won tonight's game and I hate that their dream season didn't continue.  In the end, I think that the injuries over the season really hurt them tonight and I think a huge difference is that Washington U. has players who went through this pressure cooker last year.  That seemed to be the difference in the second half, something that shouldn't be too surprising.

Great season for the Majors and the SCAC with Centre representing the league well.  Congratulations to the Millsaps seniors and I hope the coaches can find some really talented high school seniors who are looking for a place where there will be plenty of opportunity to come in and start as a freshman.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 15, 2008, 09:53:04 PM
I seem to be the only one here tonight.  One last thing that I forgot in the last post is a big thank you to Pat and Bob for their broadcast of the regional.  I thought they did a great job and it seemed to me that their observations were right on target.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 15, 2008, 09:55:07 PM
My hat is off to the Majors for representing the SCAC so well in the D3 tournament this year.  They simply ran into an experienced team in Wash U that knows how to win big games; tonight was no different.  If there's any consolation for Millsaps, they won one half of basketball tonight in St. Louis.  I honestly believe that the Majors just lost to this year's national champ - one more week to see if I'm right.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 15, 2008, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 15, 2008, 09:53:04 PM
I seem to be the only one here tonight.  One last thing that I forgot in the last post is a big thank you to Pat and Bob for their broadcast of the regional.  I thought they did a great job and it seemed to me that their observations were right on target.
Agree both were very good; Bob Quillman is excellent doing color.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 15, 2008, 10:25:28 PM
I really enjoyed watching the Millsaps team the past two weekends. They had a real tough time potting the ball in the basket in the second half. But, they never quit. They played Wash U. hard down to the final buzzer.

Props to the Majors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on March 15, 2008, 11:02:07 PM
Absolutely....congratulations to Millsaps and the SCAC on a fine season!  Another special thanks to Pat, et al, for broadcasting the sectionals.  Best of luck to Wash U next weekend in Salem. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 15, 2008, 11:16:48 PM
One of the things that caught my eye about tonight's game in St. Louis besides Millsaps' struggles on the perimeter was the high number of turnovers. Much of these came in the 2nd half when Millsaps lost their lead; I think they were a bit surprised by how quickly the Bears got back in the game, and lost some composure for a time in the 2nd half. I agree with Frank that the Majors could have competed better in the 2nd half by scoring the ball a few more times and reducing the mistakes. Pat and Bob commented several times on the broadcast about Millsaps taking quick shots and playing too fast when the situation didn't warrant speeding the pace. All this being said, Millsaps has much to be proud of this season.  Montgomery was a big star, and I appreciate more now than during the regular season how valuable a player he was to his team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on March 15, 2008, 11:57:35 PM
Congrats to the Majors on a fine season!  Wish the run could have lasted a little longer but ya'll did the SCAC proud.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 16, 2008, 08:38:53 AM
And speaking of fine runs, how about the Oglethorpe women making it to the Final Four!  The DePauw women weren't far behind, falling in the Elite Eight by an 83-80 score to UW-Whitewater.  Put that all in with Millsaps getting to the Elite Eight and Centre with a record setting win streak, a #2 ranking in the poll, and an opening round win in the NCAA Tournament, and it has been a GREAT, GREAT YEAR FOR SCAC BASKETBALL. 

Let's hope for Oglethorpe to make it back-to-back national championships for the SCAC on the Women's side of the bracket.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 16, 2008, 09:21:32 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 15, 2008, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 15, 2008, 09:53:04 PM
I seem to be the only one here tonight.  One last thing that I forgot in the last post is a big thank you to Pat and Bob for their broadcast of the regional.  I thought they did a great job and it seemed to me that their observations were right on target.
Agree both were very good; Bob Quillman is excellent doing color.
Thank you very much...I appreciate it.

Millsaps was a very good team, SCAC fans.  I just think in the end a veteran tournament team played with more composure when things got tight.  I was really impressed with the talent of the Majors all weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on March 16, 2008, 09:09:29 PM
Lets go OU!! They have a great player of the year and i'll give thier coach the un-official beard of the year! get em petrels!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on March 16, 2008, 11:51:33 PM
Quote from: d3allstar on March 16, 2008, 09:09:29 PM
Lets go OU!! They have a great player of the year and i'll give thier coach the un-official beard of the year! get em petrels!

You might not be able to give them the beard of the year anymore.  Apparently he agreed to allow the girls to shave him if they made it to the final 4.  He'll be sporting the "Santa" look this weekend in Holland, Michigan, but once they return home the word on the street is it's GONE!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on March 16, 2008, 11:52:19 PM
Also....    We say     Give 'Em the Bird     here at OU!   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: irion on March 17, 2008, 06:25:36 PM
congrats to Millsaps.  They represented the SCAC well.  As a Sewanee fan, I hope the 08/09 season brings more wins.  Anybody got a take the top teams in each division for next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on March 18, 2008, 08:06:37 AM
With the senior losses to Centre, Millsaps, DePauw, and Oglethorpe, the top four teams in the conference this year, I think there will be the most parity that I have seen in over 10 years. Problably, the favorites have to be Birmingham-Southern with all 5 starters back and great recruits to come,
in the East, and Trinity and Hendrix in the West. I don't think there will be a dominating team in the conference other than possibly Birmingham-Southern. In my part of the country, Centre and DePauw are after some fantastic players, "difference makers", and if they get them, they could surprise everyone next year!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2008, 09:06:12 AM
BSC is ineligible for post-season play.

Last year, they did not even count the games.

Do we know if BSC will be "double-promoted" to Provisional Year #3 this summer, when the NCAA evaluates their progress?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 18, 2008, 02:04:48 PM
I think Hendrix and Trinity will be the teams to contend with in 2008-09. No dominating teams to speak of across the conference. B-S will be tough for everyone, but as Ralph noted they're still provisional at least for one more season.  The East will be interesting to watch - Oglethorpe might be the team that wins the division. Still like what I see at Centre and DePauw - how their respective new players look will be key. Sewanee will improve with at least 2-3 additional conference wins. Rhodes has the players, just don't know whether they've got the desire.  Can't wait until next season!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on March 19, 2008, 06:46:38 AM
Congratulations to Coach Greg Mason for South Region Coach of The Year,
and kudos to the SCAC players selected for South All Region; Edrick Montgomery and Lorenze Bailey of Millsaps, Mike Moore of DePauw, Andrew King of Hendrix, and Thomas Britt of Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on March 20, 2008, 09:27:26 AM
Has anyone ever thought about how fun it would be to take the All region teams and play a tournament with those teams. I've always thought about this with DI college basketball with the all conference teams battling it out. It would really be great for regional bragging rights and a good show case of DIII talent. Probably won't happen, but would be interesting. I don't know too much about the other regions, but could you imagine all of those guys listed on the South region team playing together. All 15 of those guys can play. Imagine Jake Baldwin and Edrick Montogemery not having to play Center as they would have the 6-10 Ben Strong down low. Then give them Mike Moore running the point...and a loaded bench. It would be awesome.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 21, 2008, 05:25:37 PM
That would be fun to see an all-regional tournament.  I always thought that Edrick would be stronger as a 4 instead of a 5, but there was no one to take his spot in the middle at Millsaps. 

Good luck to the Lady Petrols this evening--I pulling for back-to-back national championship for the SCAC on the women's side.  Just having a SCAC team in the Final Four for 2 straight years is a great story.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 22, 2008, 09:42:16 PM
Washington U. wins the national championship this evening.  In the Elite Eight, Washington had the benefit of a home court and a big home crowd as they came back in the second half to beat a cold shooting Millsaps team 57-46 (and yes, Millsaps had those same advantages in the first two rounds).  In the national semifinals on a neutral court, Washington beat Hope 89-74 and in the championship game they beat Amherst 90-68.  It makes me think that Millsaps winning the national championship this year would not have been such a far-fetched idea. 

It also made me think about a few "what ifs".  Was the difference between Millsaps and a national championship the loss of the 3 players to injuries/health issues this year.  What if Sandro Norris, the starting center as a freshman 3 years ago, had stayed at Millsaps for his full 4 years?  Or what if Tyler Winford had picked Millsaps over MC 4 years ago--his grandfather was a big sports star at Millsaps and I believe Tyler's choice came down to the two schools.

I know that every team has their "what ifs", but I never fully realized during the season that Millsaps was so close to the best in the country.  Just add in any one of the above "what ifs" and I could see them winning the national title.  Add in two and I think they do win the national title and they finish the season undefeated against D3 teams.

What it all means is that I need to change my way of thinking when it comes to Millsaps athletics and the national scene.  Two years ago Coach Page had the baseball team one pitch away from the college world series.  Coach DuBose has won SCAC championships in his first two "rebuilding" seasons, so think how much better the team could be in the next few years.  And now Coach Wise has made it to the Elite Eight with a team that apparently could have won the national title.  As an overall program, I know that Millsaps is still ranked low in the SCAC, but in the major men's sports, the idea of Millsaps winning a national title doesn't seem to be an impossible dream.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 10:00:21 PM
And I wish that UMHB's Jason Wagner and Matt Dickey had been healthy... ;)
And that #1 seed UMHB had been able to host a sectional... ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 23, 2008, 08:33:17 AM
What ifs unfortunately don't win championships?  Millsaps had an outstanding team that boosted the SCAC to a higher ground in men's basketball in 2007-08. They played a competitive game against the eventual national champs, even winning the 1st 20 minutes. What we can say is this was the best Millsaps team in the modern era and one that could compete in D3 on the national level against the best.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 23, 2008, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2008, 10:00:21 PM
And I wish that UMHB's Jason Wagner and Matt Dickey had been healthy... ;)
And that #1 seed UMHB had been able to host a sectional... ;)

And that's an excellent point.  If I remember correctly, even Washington U. lost an outstanding point guard during the season which they overcame in winning the national title.

There are plenty of teams like UMHB who can make the argument that they could have won the national title except for a few "what ifs".  I'm just starting to fully realize that Millsaps is one of the teams in that group in a few selected sports.  As much as I support the Millsaps sport programs, I must admit that overall it is one of the weakest programs in the SCAC when you look at the President's Trophy race.  Millsaps is currently in the 9th spot out of 11 schools, with maybe an outside shot at 7th overall by the end of the year except that we'll get 0 points in men's and women's track.

All in all, Millsaps isn't the kind of athletic program that you would expect to produce a national champion and yet a few programs have broken through on the national scene.  The 2006 baseball team was one starting pitcher short of a great chance for a national championship.  This year's basketball team was obviously very close.  I won't be surprised if the football team is very close in 2010 if and when Coach DuBose hits his 5th year of building the program.  It's just nice to see that some teams at Millsaps do have the coaching and talent to compete on a national level.  Now I wish I could convince the school administration to do a better job of promoting the sports programs to the alumni, something that they are reluctant to do for reasons unknown to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on March 23, 2008, 09:56:21 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 23, 2008, 09:10:50 AM
Millsaps is currently in the 9th spot out of 11 schools, with maybe an outside shot at 7th overall by the end of the year except that we'll get 0 points in men's and women's track.

Oglethorpe is in the same boat- except we'll probably finish 11th out of 11 schools.  Great for our school that we made it to the final four.  Aside from women's basketball and golf our athletics lack quite a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2008, 12:37:29 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on March 23, 2008, 09:56:21 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 23, 2008, 09:10:50 AM
Millsaps is currently in the 9th spot out of 11 schools, with maybe an outside shot at 7th overall by the end of the year except that we'll get 0 points in men's and women's track.

Oglethorpe is in the same boat- except we'll probably finish 11th out of 11 schools.  Great for our school that we made it to the final four.  Aside from women's basketball and golf our athletics lack quite a bit.

Which begs the strategic question about the role of OU and the SCAC.

SACS and Oglethorpe (http://www.oglethorpe.edu/campus_life/stormy_petrel/documents/3-07-2008.pdf)

Is the travel expense and the commitment to do it the "SCAC-way" worth the continued efforts for the "contributions" that being a "peer institution" in the SCAC?

That is a hard question, especially when the OU endowment is more in keeping with the schools in the GSAC and the USA South.

Becoming the 8th women's program (and 5th men's program) in a re-configured USA South Division would alleviate some of the travel burden that Oglethrope is experiencing.

A board member that is facing some serious issues with the SACS accreditation will know that commitment to the SCAC will require commitment of resources that may not be popular.  It will require strong leadership from the president and the board.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 23, 2008, 04:02:29 PM
Ralph, once again you live up to your Hall of Fame ranking with your knowledge of what is happening in D3 sports. 

On another subject, congratulations to Edrick Montgomery for making the D3Hoops All-American 2nd team.  Edrick finished his SCAC career with either 760 or 761 rebounds (I've seen both numbers) in just 3 years, less than 100 rebounds away from the SCAC career record.  He also finished with 1,383 points which seems to be the second highest among SCAC players who didn't play 4 years in the league, second to the 1,406 scored by Thomas Johnson of Rhodes in the early 90's.

In my obviously biased viewpoint, I believe D3Hoops got it 100% right by naming Edrick as one of the top-10 D3 players in the country.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on March 23, 2008, 04:27:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2008, 12:37:29 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on March 23, 2008, 09:56:21 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 23, 2008, 09:10:50 AM
Millsaps is currently in the 9th spot out of 11 schools, with maybe an outside shot at 7th overall by the end of the year except that we'll get 0 points in men's and women's track.

Oglethorpe is in the same boat- except we'll probably finish 11th out of 11 schools.  Great for our school that we made it to the final four.  Aside from women's basketball and golf our athletics lack quite a bit.

Which begs the strategic question about the role of OU and the SCAC.

SACS and Oglethorpe (http://www.oglethorpe.edu/campus_life/stormy_petrel/documents/3-07-2008.pdf)

Is the travel expense and the commitment to do it the "SCAC-way" worth the continued efforts for the "contributions" that being a "peer institution" in the SCAC?

That is a hard question, especially when the OU endowment is more in keeping with the schools in the GSAC and the USA South.

Becoming the 8th women's program (and 5th men's program) in a re-configured USA South Division would alleviate some of the travel burden that Oglethrope is experiencing.

A board member that is facing some serious issues with the SACS accreditation will know that commitment to the SCAC will require commitment of resources that may not be popular.  It will require strong leadership from the president and the board.

While we may not stack up with the creme de la creme of the SCAC those top programs, I believe, give us something to shoot for. Since I've been here the school has done alot of things to lessen that gap (hiring a great new President as well as a teriffic Athletic Director). These pieces have not been in place long but great strides have been made since they've been here (2 new dorms built (one entirely on donations), partnership with Infinite Sports and an overhaul of the workout equipment, new tennis courts and basketball facilities, etc.).  There is a long road ahead but I think the people that the school has in place provides a stable ground that will help the school climb out of the spot it's in.

To address the accredidation status of the school: while OU might be under review I have no fear that after the evaluation period OU will be restored to full accredidation. Unfortunately President Shall inherited a very sticky situation here but he has and will continue to do a marvelous job of leading this school.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2008, 05:01:23 PM
Honestly, is there anyone who thinks that the Oglethrope of the first half of this decade gets admitted to the SCAC under that and/or probably its current situation?  (Look what it took Austin College to get in, e.g., a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and a football team, and what University of Dallas hasn't gotten.)

OU has benefitted from the company that it keeps.  I can understand the commitment that the school must make to be considered in the same breath as Sewanee, DePauw, Centre and Rhodes.  I hope that the OU family will capture the vision that the President and the Board outline, and that they will give the university the 10 years necessary to get up to "SCAC" speed.  I have seen endowment numbers in the recent past that were one half of the lower tier of the SCAC.  OU's enrollment is very small.  Compounding 10% gains in endowment and 5% gains in enrollment, going into the upcoming demographic ebb of college age population figures, will require stellar (way above average) performances for a decade.  (Where can you get another 100 male students?  Is that the "f-word" at OU?   ;) ) 

Having an Atlanta base is good for the SCAC.  OU now must firm up its end.

Good luck. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 23, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 23, 2008, 08:33:17 AM
What ifs unfortunately don't win championships?

Yeah, I've thinking all weekend, "What if Tyler Hansbrough, O.J. Mayo, and Michael Beasley would've come to Conway?"   ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2008, 11:47:58 PM
I've been told no football in the works at Oglethorpe but lacrosse is a possibility.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 24, 2008, 01:51:12 AM
Quote from: hendrixfan on March 23, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 23, 2008, 08:33:17 AM
What ifs unfortunately don't win championships?

Yeah, I've thinking all weekend, "What if Tyler Hansbrough, O.J. Mayo, and Michael Beasley would've come to Conway?"   ;D ;D

Now that's just being silly since all three of those guys personally told me that Millsaps was their second choice. :)

It's not quite so silly to wonder what Millsaps would have been like if this year's team had included Tyler Winford and Sandro Norris, teammates on the same local high school team.  Sandro did come to Millsaps, was the second leading scorer his freshman year, left for a local NAIA school when his father helped coach at that school, and then tried to come back his junior year but that didn't work out.  With Tyler, an ASC 1st team player and one of the 10 finalist for the Josten Award this season, it is my understanding that he strongly considered Millsaps.  In essences, those two players would be like adding players on par with Edrick Montgomery and Rodney Rogan to a team that made it to the quarterfinal round.  To me, it seems like two players like that added to the Millsaps roster would have made them a strong candidate for a #1 ranking and a national championship, and it really isn't so far-fetched that these two players could have been at Millsaps.

BUT, as I said in my first post and others have pointed out, there are other teams that have their own version of "what could have been".  It's just that in the case of Millsaps, the what could have been is a little more realistic than Michael Beasley going to Hendrix. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 24, 2008, 10:11:15 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 24, 2008, 01:51:12 AM
Quote from: hendrixfan on March 23, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 23, 2008, 08:33:17 AM
What ifs unfortunately don't win championships?

Yeah, I've thinking all weekend, "What if Tyler Hansbrough, O.J. Mayo, and Michael Beasley would've come to Conway?"   ;D ;D

Now that's just being silly since all three of those guys personally told me that Millsaps was their second choice. :)


;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bubba the Petrel on March 25, 2008, 09:04:10 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2008, 11:47:58 PM
I've been told no football in the works at Oglethorpe but lacrosse is a possibility.

Does anyone else in the SCAC field a lacrosse team?  I ask only because I don't see lacrosse listed on the SCAC website...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 11:17:47 AM
Colorado College, Hendrix and Sewanee have lacrosse.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on March 25, 2008, 12:02:25 PM
As does Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 25, 2008, 12:23:22 PM
The University of Dallas (not SCAC) has women's lacrosse.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 12:27:01 PM
Is Southwestern a varsity team? The NCAA doesn't list it.

http://web1.ncaa.org/onlineDir/exec/sponsorship?sortOrder=0&division=3&sport=MLA
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 25, 2008, 12:36:18 PM
I believe that Millsaps also has a club team.  It seems like I read that they will play a home match on April 5th.  (I should clarify that this is a women's team--I'm not sure if there is a club team for the men.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on March 25, 2008, 03:06:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 12:27:01 PM
Is Southwestern a varsity team? The NCAA doesn't list it.

http://web1.ncaa.org/onlineDir/exec/sponsorship?sortOrder=0&division=3&sport=MLA

it's club...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on March 25, 2008, 04:19:46 PM
Quote from: d3allstar on March 25, 2008, 03:06:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 12:27:01 PM
Is Southwestern a varsity team? The NCAA doesn't list it.

http://web1.ncaa.org/onlineDir/exec/sponsorship?sortOrder=0&division=3&sport=MLA

it's club...

ok, didn't know if it was varsity or club because it just says Southwestern on Hendrix's lacrosse schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bubba the Petrel on March 27, 2008, 12:27:01 PM
Thanks for the lacrosse info, folks - y'all answered my question.  That explains why it's not included as a sport on the SCAC website.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on April 04, 2008, 11:54:12 PM
does anyone know if coach thoni resigned or was forced out?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on April 11, 2008, 11:55:19 AM
Yeah, i'm sure the scac likes a school in Georgia but picked this up from fox:

. One source told FOXSports.com that Centenary could wind up going the D-3 route in a couple years.


I would think if they want to go d3, they should get it going but maybe they don't have a place to land unless OU moves on. Also, not many d3 football school's in LA, so maybe they start up a program.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2008, 12:48:54 PM
Cush, do you have the URL?



Found it!  :)

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/goodmanonfox
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 14, 2008, 06:30:42 PM
+1, RT (your 600th).  Specifically:

CENTENARY

I received an e-mail from Centenary sports information director David Pratt, relayed a message from the school's athletic director, Dr. Tom Tallach, that the school does not intend to go the Division III route in a few years.

According to my sources, it's a possibility. However, Tallach maintains it's not true
.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 15, 2008, 12:36:02 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 14, 2008, 06:30:42 PM
+1, RT (your 600th).  Specifically:

CENTENARY

I received an e-mail from Centenary sports information director David Pratt, relayed a message from the school's athletic director, Dr. Tom Tallach, that the school does not intend to go the Division III route in a few years.

According to my sources, it's a possibility. However, Tallach maintains it's not true
.
Thanks Ron.  The quality of information that we fans have brought to the D-III community has been amazing.  D-III is now able to build a community!

I wonder if Goodman's source is the "D-IV" document that explored schools investigating D-III.

In that document (http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/governance/division_III/Working_Group_Membership_Issues/May_31/sup_6.htm), there were notations of schools inquiring about D-III that I suspect were:  Centenary LA, Huston-Tillotson in Austin, TX, Albertson ID, Berea KY, Berry GA, a Chicagoland school and a school around Kansas City.  (The Huston-Tillotson reference is on a separate map from these profiles.  Berry GA is starting women's equestrian.  I am not completely certain about the other Georgia  reference.)

I heard from another source that the men's basketball coaching interviewees are being told that the job is for a "D-1" slot.

IMHO, three of those schools would be good matches for the SCAC:  Centenary, Berea KY and Berry GA.  That might make UDallas that much more acceptable to go with two 8-team conferences.  (Colorado College, UDallas, Austin College, Southwestern, Trinity TX, Centenary LA, Rhodes and Hendrix)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wusliac1 on April 16, 2008, 02:46:02 PM
Anyone on here have any inside info on the Sewanee job?  I have a good friend that applied and I wanted to know if there's anything I can tell him...

Is it really open, is it a good job, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on April 17, 2008, 11:08:46 AM
The SCAC decided at a coaches meeting yesterday to reverse the original plan of having the guys play first on friday and sunday.  The schedule will be just like the 07-08 season.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on May 07, 2008, 02:39:07 AM
Back in the the late '60s and the '70s, the college game for women was totally different from the big time sport that it has become at the D1 level.  Instead of the NCAA holding a national championship, it was the AIAW and Delta State out of Cleveland, MS was always in the running for the national championship.  This was for the overall national championship, not a lower division (for example, they won the national women's basketball championship over LSU in 1977).

Anyway, as tradition would have it, the women always played first at Delta State, followed by the men's game.  During those glory years they would play before a packed house and most of those folks would empty out the stands when the men's team came out for the second game of the evening.  It must have been quite deflating for the men to see the crowd filing out as they took to the court.

Let's be honest about the state of basketball in the SCAC.  On most nights, hardly anyone supports the men, much less the women.  I know at Millsaps the women's games start off with a handful of parents and loyal supporters and then the crowd slowly grows until there is a fairly good crowd for the end of the women's game.  We all know that a good part of that crowd is coming for the men's game and they get to the gym early to catch the end of the women's game.  If you reverse the order, would you reverse the process with maybe some people hanging around for the start of the women's game and then the stands slowly emptying by the end of the game?  Unfortunately, I think that would be the case.

I can see the political correctness of reversing the schedule to let the women have the second slot, but I think it would result in less people watching the ladies when the game is on the line and when you want a crowd in the stands adding to the excitement.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2008, 08:46:20 PM
B-SC is denied waiver by membership committee. (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/resources/file/eb9903042d197dc/020508MCMinutes.pdf?MOD=AJPERES)

I think that I understand what I think that it says, B-SC is not getting "double-promoted".   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on May 23, 2008, 04:35:09 PM
The Oglethorpe Men's basketball team with on a 9-day trip to Europe in Mid-May.  I throughly enjoyed the blog posts done by OU player Wade Weldon giving details of the games played and placed visited.  It sounds like they had a great trip on and off the court.  Here are links to his 4 posts:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/05/13/
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/05/15/
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/05/17/
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/05/21/

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on May 25, 2008, 07:00:01 PM
I've been seeing things here and there about D4. Does anybody have a handle on this?

Is it an argument that schools such as those in the SCAC, which have higher academic standing, reputation, and history should separate themselves into another Division?

Has the SCAC taken a position on this?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2008, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: lammersk on May 25, 2008, 07:00:01 PM
I've been seeing things here and there about D4. Does anybody have a handle on this?

Is it an argument that schools such as those in the SCAC, which have higher academic standing, reputation, and history should separate themselves into another Division?

Has the SCAC taken a position on this?
Please go to the Future of D-III board (General D-III) for the updated news releases on the issues prompting the D-III/D-IV split, and here is one news article (http://www.d3soccer.com/notables/2008/03/29/3156/drive-for-d-iv-dies) about the vote.

Only one SCAC voice was strongly present on the issue (Pres. Jake Schrum at Southwestern who spoke for the "D-IV" point of view.).  Most of the SCAC seemed to be "assigned" to the "Remaining in D-III group".
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on May 30, 2008, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on May 23, 2008, 04:35:09 PM
The Oglethorpe Men's basketball team with on a 9-day trip to Europe in Mid-May.  I throughly enjoyed the blog posts done by OU player Wade Weldon giving details of the games played and placed visited.  It sounds like they had a great trip on and off the court.  Here are links to his 4 posts:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/05/13/
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/05/15/
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/05/17/
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/05/21/




Don't normally post much during the offseason, but just wanted to thank Wade Weldon for the blog on Oglethorpe's European trip.  This brought back recent memories of my own family's trip to many of these sites in France & Italy last summer.  I also fondly remember visiting with Coach Ponder and his team during the SCAC tournament at Conway this season where we stayed at the same hotel.  He's got the makings of a fine young team, and the boys I am sure were great ambassadors for SCAC basketball while traveling abroad.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2008, 08:04:38 PM
Wow!  Who would imagine that Sewanee would get an HSC head coach!

I am confused about his Tennessee connections from the article on the front page.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 02, 2008, 08:19:12 PM
Clarified.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2008, 09:07:22 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2008, 08:04:38 PM
Wow!  Who would imagine that Sewanee would get an HSC head coach!

I am confused about his Tennessee connections from the article on the front page.
I think that Sewanee got a good one.

Can Sewanee tap into the same talent base that has gone to Maryville?

I doubt that the academic qualifications for Sewanee and Maryville are that dissimilar.

Or is this a demographic/sociologic factor that has been described by southern historians and political scientists such as Grady McWhiney or V.O. Key?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on June 02, 2008, 11:22:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2008, 09:07:22 PM

I think that Sewanee got a good one.
Our new coach has a good resume.   It's surprising to me our Administration and A.D. went out and put the money and effort into hiring a coach with a successful record away from a place like H-SC.   It goes against the trend for how our Administration has approached athletic hiring in the past.  He's coming into a tough situation as a lot of people on the Mountain were very upset with the firing of Joe Thoni. 

Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2008, 09:07:22 PM
Can Sewanee tap into the same talent base that has gone to Maryville?

I doubt that the academic qualifications for Sewanee and Maryville are that dissimilar.
I think you will find that most of us from Sewanee would highly disagree with that statement.  ;D

The talent pool is broader as there has been a push over the past 10 years to broaden the recruiting of students beyond our traditional base in the South.    There has been a major push from our Administration to attract students from the Northeast and from the UAA schools.   

Peace,
AWL

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2008, 11:37:32 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on June 02, 2008, 11:22:08 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2008, 09:07:22 PM
Can Sewanee tap into the same talent base that has gone to Maryville?

I doubt that the academic qualifications for Sewanee and Maryville are that dissimilar.
I think you will find that most of us from Sewanee would highly disagree with that statement.  ;D

The talent pool is broader as there has been a push over the past 10 years to broaden the recruiting of students beyond our traditional base in the South.    There has been a major push from our Administration to attract students from the Northeast and from the UAA schools.   

Peace,
AWL
;)
Yes, and if those assumptions are true, then the student who qualifies at Maryville may pull a much more complete financial aid package relative to the peers at Maryville than the package that Sewanee may offer, relative to the peers enrolling at Sewanee.

I assume that the recruiting that you are doing is to pull kids from the South away from UAA and northeastern schools because the 2007-08 basketball roster had everybody from Tennessee or a contiguous state (except 2 from Florida).  That is not success from the northeast.  :)

(Keep 'em home!)

Nevertheless, good job! 

And look at the wife, Cortney!   ;)

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsitemason.sewanee.edu%2Ffiles%2FcUgUHm%2FDSC00087.jpg%2Fmain.jpg&hash=2f11a3f67121f5e59dd613a02832708728f421eb)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on June 03, 2008, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 02, 2008, 11:37:32 PM
;)
I assume that the recruiting that you are doing is to pull kids from the South away from UAA and northeastern schools because the 2007-08 basketball roster had everybody from Tennessee or a contiguous state (except 2 from Florida).  That is not success from the northeast.  :)

(Keep 'em home!)
Yes and no.   There's been a push in the recent past to try to broaden the demographics at Sewanee to include a higher percentage of students from outside our traditional market here in the South.   Our administration believes that we need to do that in order to compete long term against not only places like Maryville but also schools like Rhodes, Emory, and Davidson.  That's the three schools that people in our Administration would most likely describe as our top three overall competitors.      I agree with you about the financial aid side of things and it's an issue that our alumni push back to the administration about on a regular basis.

The attempt to change the campus demographics is one of the reasons why we've added lacrosse as a varsity sport even through it isn't all that popular here in the Deep South.   It's because we're trying to recruit from the prep schools in the Northeast where it's real popular.   However,  the attempt in adjusting the demographic hasn't been reflected in the roster of the major sports.  Might be one of the reasons why the "Powers that Be" decided a coaching change was in order.    Of course, 6 or 7 rather lackluster seasons really didn't help Joe Thoni's case very much either.
:-( :-)

Peace,
AWL

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 03, 2008, 11:21:06 AM
Ralph:  Your question about sociology and demographics and Southern history as they relate to The University of the South and Maryville is a good one.  One way to keep The South's Finest from having to hang out with Yankees at Princeton was to found The University of The South.  Meanwhile, Maryville was educating Cherokees and "free" blacks and not the sons of planters. 

I know of some local/regional kids who were recruited by both schools to play basketball in recent years and who could have gotten into both, but Sewanee can legitimately claim to "belong" in the class (if you will excuse the term) of Rhodes and Centre.  Davidson seems like a stretch to me, but, hey, that is what makes places work hard.  I sure hope Coach Smith can avoid turning Sewanee's men's team into a peer of Davidson's!  I'm not sure even Randy Lambert wants to deal with that!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on June 03, 2008, 11:38:15 AM
He is about the get the business in the south, Randy style!

Go Scots
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bruin on June 09, 2008, 09:43:36 AM
New to the boards.  Anyone assess how the 08/09 season looks now? I know some of the stronger teams lost several starters
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2008, 09:56:32 AM
Quote from: Bruin on June 09, 2008, 09:43:36 AM
New to the boards.  Anyone assess how the 08/09 season looks now? I know some of the stronger teams lost several starters
Welcome Bruin!  Glad to have another poster from the East side.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on June 10, 2008, 11:58:53 AM
Quote from: Bruin on June 09, 2008, 09:43:36 AM
New to the boards.  Anyone assess how the 08/09 season looks now? I know some of the stronger teams lost several starters
I think Trinity will be tough along with Hendrix and Austin College.  All these teams return most, if not all of their key players.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bruin on June 10, 2008, 12:59:55 PM
It seems the eastern division will be the weaker of the two.  Is Ogelthorpe the favorite in the east?  What does Rhodes have?  What will the new coach at Sewanee have to work with?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on June 12, 2008, 01:10:51 PM
I believe it's a toss-up in the east.  Oglethorpe returns most of their starters but I think DePauw and Centre will still be contenders.  You can't count out the Tigers when they still have Moore and Centre returns a strong nucleus of players in Thomason, Noll, Crowdis, Herman, and Gowers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on July 10, 2008, 06:08:03 PM
Not suprised there's no talk about Millsaps who went 28-4 a year ago.  They lost five senior starters, but still have Chad Songy, Chris Sanders, Cameron Varnado, Chris Ingle and a sleeper incoming center.  Don't count the Majors out just yet, they have gone 42-8 in their last 50 games. :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on July 11, 2008, 01:49:38 AM
DPU returns the high-octane backcourt of Mike Moore (SCAC Player of the Year preseason favorite?) and Tony James, and the expected addition of a 6'3" guard who played the last two years as a walk-on at Valpo should be a boost. But DePauw lost a whole lot underneath with the graduation of Schott and Oilar. If they can find a low-post scoring presence, I think the Tigers will be just fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on July 15, 2008, 09:34:25 AM
I think Depauw will be effective in the low post,but I expect they will look to a four out set.Joe Bergfeld has some time down there and has put on size this summer.Dave Gray will be tough if he stays out of foul trouble.Ryan Russell has put on muscle and grew as well he should step up and be a threat low,but can step out and go around the big man.Tom Callan will also be strong to the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on July 15, 2008, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on July 10, 2008, 06:08:03 PM
Not suprised there's no talk about Millsaps who went 28-4 a year ago.  They lost five senior starters, but still have Chad Songy, Chris Sanders, Cameron Varnado, Chris Ingle and a sleeper incoming center.  Don't count the Majors out just yet, they have gone 42-8 in their last 50 games. :-X
Where is the newcomer from?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 30, 2008, 12:24:25 AM
Great schedule (http://southwesternpirates.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/swtx-m-baskbl-sched.html) for Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on August 01, 2008, 11:27:24 PM
Great hire at Centre with Matt Nestheside taking over as Coach Mason's assistant.  Best wishes to James Booker who has moved on to a head coaching job at the high school level with Country Day in Louisville.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on August 10, 2008, 02:43:09 PM
Along the same lines. Oglethorpe Alumn Andrew Tulowitzky has been hired as the Assistant Coach for the Oglethorpe Mens team to assist Phil Ponder.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on August 11, 2008, 03:31:44 PM
Do we have any other schedules released as of yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on August 14, 2008, 11:29:01 AM
Hendrix's schedule for 08-09
http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/schedule.aspx?id=22028
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wusliac1 on August 14, 2008, 06:38:49 PM
Sewanee hires a former SLIAC assistant-

http://athletics.sewanee.edu/home?id=18331 (http://athletics.sewanee.edu/home?id=18331)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on August 28, 2008, 02:04:18 PM
any news on the talent of the incoming freshmen classes from around the conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on September 03, 2008, 02:09:14 PM
Depauw releases schedule with D1 foe Indiana State in a regular season game.www.depauw.edu
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 24, 2008, 11:03:55 AM
how is austin college suppose to be this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 07, 2008, 11:23:58 AM
AC should be solid this season.  They return almost all of their players, and while they lose one starter (Emmanuel Nwelue) he was almost solely a defensive player, and pretty much didn't care about scoring.

Kola Alade and Chris Sturtevant are both back, and should be one of the best inside/outside duos in the conference.  I think Kola is going to be moved off the ball quite a bit this year (he played a lot of point last season), and there's more size and depth than a year ago.  The team could very well put a lineup of 6-2, 6-3, 6-7, 6-7, 6-9 on the floor this season depending on how Coach Wecker wants to play and what the situation dictates.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 07, 2008, 04:33:01 PM
Thats very interesting! being close to that area an having watched AC play while they were still in the ASC, they never were really a contender. It would be interesting to see them compete in the SCAC.......might have to check out a few games with a starting lineup like that
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 08, 2008, 04:45:01 PM
Thats good to hear. I'm glad to see them doing good again. They have always played teams close, especially at home, but haven't found a way to string together some good wins in a season. Kola is a very good player that I have seen play a few times at the high school level. Are Bishop or Foster looking to break the lineup as seniors any time this upcoming year?


How is that new coach for Sewanee looking? Is there roster online?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 10, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
Foster started some of last year...we'll see if he works his way back into the starting five again this season.  As for Bishop, if he's not in the starting lineup then he'll be probably the 6th man since he can come in and play multiple positions.  FWIW, Bishop was the 6-3 player I referenced in my "big" lineup up there.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 11, 2008, 12:47:43 PM
Centre's 2008-09 Schedule:

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/schedule_basketballm.html

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2008, 08:27:54 AM
First day of basketball practice is today.  I haven't gotten a good fix on the Millsaps team so far but it is obviously a rebuilding year after getting to the Final 8 last season. 

The biggest problem will be trying to replace the inside scoring, rebounding, and defense of Edrick Montgomery and Rodney Rogan.  That's not to play down the contributions made last year by Lorenzo Bailey, Allen Odum and Deonte Oscar, but they do have some good talent returning to fill in at those spots.  The 4 and 5 spot have been mostly handled by Edrick and Rodney for the last few years and there isn't much experience coming back at those positions.

The returning starters are Chad Songy at point and Chris Sanders at the 3 or 4 spot.  They will both be solid players this year--the loss of the other 3 starters puts more pressure on them while also giving them more of a chance to shine.  I would expect Blake Martinez and Cameron Varnado to be the top contenders for a starting spot amongst the returning players and I don't know much about the incoming class.  The incoming class did have "one who got away", a 6'8" player who turned down a D1 scholarship all spring and summer until finally deciding to play D1 at the last minute.  Such is the life of D3 recruiting.

My guess for the Millsaps team this year is that they will be one of those teams that will fall from the top of the heap back into the middle of the pack, but by the end of the year they will be a team that might make a surprise run at the SCAC Tournament.  That's just my guess at the moment based on very, very limited information.

Anyone else have an early update on what players are returning and how things are looking as practice begins for real?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on October 16, 2008, 11:18:51 AM
Well it seems that Trinity has most of it's contributors from last season returning this year.  With 6 seniors, this group will have quite a bit of experience to fall back on.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 16, 2008, 12:19:15 PM
Austin College season preview:

http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1649&ItemID=6319 (http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1649&ItemID=6319)

Roster is up as well:

http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?2751 (http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?2751)

And, finally, the schedule:

http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?6673 (http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?6673)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 18, 2008, 09:16:59 PM
Austin's my sleeper out West... Millsaps should be down a bit so the division is there for the taking, and I think Sturdivant might be the toughest assignment for any defensive player in the conference with his combo of size and one-on-one skill. There just isn't another player in the conference like him. If Austin does win the West it'll be because Sturdivant won Conference POY honors.

Top dogs out East lost a lot of seniors, meaning Oglethorpe might be the most experienced team. They're always tough. I still think DPU can win the division if they can find an inside scoring presence to complement the scoring of Moore.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on October 18, 2008, 09:31:49 PM
I look for an "inside" rotation of Gray,Callan... Juniors  and Bergfeld, Russell ....Sophmores   Callan and Russell have the size, ballhandling, and speed to get to the rim.Bergfeld and Gray have the strength on the boards.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tmore22 on October 20, 2008, 09:12:39 PM
I know that Centre has some key players back. But they lost both starting guards so how good will they be. Do they have anyone to step it up. Who will be starting and who are some new names that could be a factor?. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on October 21, 2008, 03:09:59 PM
I don't know much about Centre this year.  I do know that Coach Mason always makes the best with what players he is given.  I expect them to be very competitive as always.

I feel like this year could be an exciting year if you are a Hendrix fan.  This should be as competitive a team as they've had in the last decade or so.  King has already been a monster the last three seasons, but he could have a HUGE year this year.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on October 21, 2008, 11:26:02 PM
Centre will continue to be one of the better teams in the SCAC.
Hendrix should have a good year behind seniors Andrew King and David Foley as well as junior Cal Rose.  They did not graduate a single player and add two or three freshmen that could step in and play significant minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on October 23, 2008, 02:33:22 PM
I noticed the SCAC got some love in the preseason top 25 poll with Centre ranking 13th and Millsaps just missing the #25 spot by 11 pts. 

I am also extremely excited to see how Southwestern and Trinity fair against #6 Wisconsin-Stevens Pointe (who are the reason why Trinity didn't win the 04-05 National Championship) on November 21/22 in San Antonio! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on October 23, 2008, 05:41:33 PM
Centre should be strong again even they lose Britt and Nestheide
35% of offense
20% of rebounding
31% of minutes played

Millsaps at #26 really surprised me
they lose (Montgomery, Rogan, Bailey, Oscar, Odum)
73% of offense
65% of rebounding
64% of minutes played

granted I don't follow Millsaps closely and know nothing of their recruiting class, but on paper it looks like they were decimated by graduation.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 23, 2008, 09:52:55 PM
Agree with several that have commented on Centre for the upcoming campaign. Coach Mason does indeed lose his two guards, but it appears he's got a good crop of frosh  to go with some fine returning players. It's a nice bonus having Matt Nestheside still in the program as Mason's new assistant coach. He'll be a big help in developing solid guard play. Centre, after getting physically whipped in the low post in the NCAA tournament by Ohio Wesleyan, has recruited some skilled size to enable them to compete more effectively on the block. The Colonels will have some good early season challenges with games against Franklin, Transylvania and Maryville.   

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2008, 10:19:42 AM
Millsaps got 83 votes from the folks who didn't look at the graduation losses from the 2007-08 season.  There is talent coming back for the Majors and hopefully some immediated help came in with this year's class, but lurking just outside the top 25 is way too high for the Millsaps team. 

I think Millsaps will surprise some people this year and they might be a darkhorse team at the SCAC Tournament, but it definitely is a rebuilding year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 24, 2008, 01:57:19 PM
Does anyone know when the Millsaps at Austin College game is this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 24, 2008, 03:07:28 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on October 24, 2008, 01:57:19 PM
Does anyone know when the Millsaps at Austin College game is this year?

Friday, February 6th at 6 PM
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2008, 03:24:19 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2008, 10:19:42 AM
Millsaps got 83 votes from the folks who didn't look at the graduation losses from the 2007-08 season. 

Every voter got the information and I'm sure they all looked at it. But some may have chosen to ignore it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 27, 2008, 06:31:08 PM
I will say this about Centre basketball - Greg Mason has earned some respect among D3 peers given a #13 ranking coming out of the gate this season.  Of course, it's understood these rankings are meaningless at this point, but the last two seasons of Centre basketball have put Danville on the map of D3Hoops. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on October 28, 2008, 04:07:08 PM
pbrooks, who are some of the players on this year's Centre roster to look out for?  Any rumored standout freshmen come in this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: shuutr10 on October 29, 2008, 11:42:12 AM
Rhodes College has released its 2008-2009 preview and prospectus on their website. 
The link is http://www.rhodeslynx.com/index.asp?path=mbball  (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/index.asp?path=mbball)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on October 30, 2008, 01:57:20 PM
Oglethorpe takes on Georgia State in an exhibition game tonight.  Should be interesting as GA. STATE had multiple transfers from SEC, ACC and Big East schools.  We're gonna have to be hot from 3 if we're gonna keep this one close.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on October 31, 2008, 02:42:30 AM
Oglethorpe hangs tought with Georgia State and loses a nailbighter 85-80.   The Petrels led at the half as well as most of the game to see it slip in the last minutes.  Alex Richey was hot from 3 scoring a game high 32 points (8-13 from 3).  The Petrel's gave 110% and are a much improved team from last year.  I don't want to come out and predict that they'll win conference but they will definitely be in the mix!

Go Petrels!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bubba the Petrel on October 31, 2008, 08:39:28 AM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on October 31, 2008, 02:42:30 AM
Oglethorpe hangs tought with Georgia State and loses a nailbighter 85-80.   The Petrels led at the half as well as most of the game to see it slip in the last minutes.  Alex Richey was hot from 3 scoring a game high 32 points (8-13 from 3).  The Petrel's gave 110% and are a much improved team from last year.  I don't want to come out and predict that they'll win conference but they will definitely be in the mix!

Go Petrels!

Nice work over on the CAAZone Ga State board, FotP.  ;D  I was happy to see my State by 50 prediction go up in smoke (I post under a much different handle there).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on October 31, 2008, 11:14:55 AM
Hendrix's season outlook:
http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/news.aspx?id=36308
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on October 31, 2008, 02:44:06 PM


Nice work over on the CAAZone Ga State board, FotP.  ;D  I was happy to see my State by 50 prediction go up in smoke (I post under a much different handle there).
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Can you believe those jokers over there... I'm glad your prediction was wrong but I hope you wern't one of those guys Voz and I were exchanging blows with haha.  This looks to be a promising season for OU basketball.  The guys are much improved and the girls start with a #2 preseason ranking  :o!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bubba the Petrel on October 31, 2008, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on October 31, 2008, 02:44:06 PM


I hope you wern't one of those guys Voz and I were exchanging blows with haha. 

Naw, I posted once early on in that thread (first page, I think - "Joe") and then ducked out of it.  Got my Masters degree at State - go teams!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vozdelospetrels on October 31, 2008, 02:51:17 PM
My first post of the year. It's good to be back posting. Spent a lil time the last couple of days taking some heat from the GA State fans over on the CAAZone board. It's good to be back where people can understand the value of hardwork and playing the game the right way. So anyway Oglethorpe put one hell of a scare into the GA State faithful last night. I'm not sure what the other teams in the SCAC are bringing back, but OU looks primed for a run...especially with the "let it fly from deep" advice that may be coming from the bench with the two new assistant coaches (Burr and Tulo). Haha.  ;D

Fun game though last night. I'm ready for the real season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 31, 2008, 11:58:56 PM
Good to see Oglethorpe playing well out of the gate. They had the  makings of a challenging squad last year showing some tremendous offensive spurts at times. If the defense improves, look out for them in the east in 2008-09.

Can't tell anyone much about Centre because I don't see their practices, living 400 miles away. Of course losing Nestheide and Britt is big for the backcourt. There are some capables in Ryan Crowder and some of the freshmen. However, there can't help but be some dropoff in the guard play this season. Coach Mason has probably improved things most in the front court. 6'8" Alex Lloyd returns after missing most of his freshman campaign to injury. Several sizeable, talented freshmen will have chances to contribute. TC Thomason and Danny Noll figure to be key team leaders, and produce points both down low and from 3-point range.

I look for another solid season from the Colonels but probably nothing quite as special as last year's magical SCAC run before the tournament. My hope is the team will show steady improvement through the course of the season.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 11:24:59 AM
Austin College playing an exhibition vs. D2 Tarleton State tonight.  I have absolutely no clue what to expect from the team but it should be interesting to see how the rotation shakes out, particularly which freshmen step in and get serious minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 01, 2008, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on October 31, 2008, 02:42:30 AM
Oglethorpe hangs tought with Georgia State and loses a nailbighter 85-80.   The Petrels led at the half as well as most of the game to see it slip in the last minutes.  Alex Richey was hot from 3 scoring a game high 32 points (8-13 from 3).  The Petrel's gave 110% and are a much improved team from last year.  I don't want to come out and predict that they'll win conference but they will definitely be in the mix!

Go Petrels!

http://www.georgiastatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=53527&SPID=5655&DB_OEM_ID=12700&ATCLID=1614951

Wow!  That's an impressive effort.  How in the world does a D3 team compete on the glass (38 to 41) with all those D1 athletes?

Way to go Petrels.

A special kudos to young Richey ...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 12:03:43 PM
Millsaps seems to be in a 'rebuilding year' after the graduation of Edrick Montgomery according to Coach Wise ...

What a run in the tournament last year!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 03, 2008, 03:16:57 PM
jekelish, did you have a chance to see Austin vs. Tarleton St. exhibition?  I'd love to know how that turned out, as Tarleton St. is usually a very solid D2 team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bruin on November 03, 2008, 06:28:26 PM
Sewanee and Belmont play an exhibition on Thursday night.  Belmont lost some key players, but it will be a tought test for the Tigers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 03, 2008, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 12:03:43 PM
Millsaps seems to be in a 'rebuilding year' after the graduation of Edrick Montgomery according to Coach Wise ...

What a run in the tournament last year!

Plus the graduation of Rodney Rogan, Lorenzo Bailey, Allen Odum, and Deonte Oscar.  Here's a preview of the Millsaps team:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/2008-09Season_Preview.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tmore22 on November 04, 2008, 12:37:47 PM
Anyone  know how Centre did last night in the scrimage against Mt. St. Joe. What was the score who played well?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 04, 2008, 06:54:35 PM
It's unlikely that anyone will see this post in time, but there are live stats available for the Millsaps exhibition game this evening with UL-Lafayette.  The "RaginCajuns" are a D1 team in the Sun Belt Conference with 9 players who are 6'7" or taller so it will probably be a tough night for the Majors.  Here's the link:

http://www.ragincajuns.com/liveStats/liveStats.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=15400&LIST_SPORT_ID=M_BASKETBALL
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 05, 2008, 01:48:37 AM
Millsaps lost their exhibition game with the "RaginCajuns" of UL-Lafayette 87-57 Tuesday evening.  I was surprised and pleased to see that this was just a 10-point game with 9:02 to play but at that point the size and depth of the D1 home team took over.  I wasn't surprised to see that the much larger UL-Lafayette team finished the night with a 45-24 edge on the boards.  Here are some links:

Story:  http://www.ragincajuns.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=15400&ATCLID=1618326

Box Score:  http://www.ragincajuns.com/fls/15400/stats/mbasketball/2009/mex1.htm?SPID=7575&DB_OEM_ID=15400&SPSID=67311
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on November 05, 2008, 08:45:44 AM
Attended the Millsaps-UL game last night (I'm in grad school at UL).  The Majors were able to keep up with the Cajuns early in the game due to some lackluster play on UL's part early, a well played zone defense, and some good outside shooting.   From what I saw I think the Majors will do well against D3 teams this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 05, 2008, 10:14:45 AM
Thanks for that eye witness account.  One of the best coaching jobs I've ever seen in my life was the job Coach Wise did in his first year as head coach at Millsaps.  He was starting 5 guards, none taller then 6'1", because he really didn't have anything much besides guards.  They also had very little depth and really not much scoring firepower.  Somehow he pulled 5 wins out of that squad and was competitive most of the season. 

It was rather amazing to watch and I can tell you that the Millsaps coaches (Coach LeBlanc was a player on that team) will get every ounce of potential out of the players and team this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 06, 2008, 04:50:37 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on November 03, 2008, 03:16:57 PM
jekelish, did you have a chance to see Austin vs. Tarleton St. exhibition?  I'd love to know how that turned out, as Tarleton St. is usually a very solid D2 team.

I didn't see the game, but from what I understand they hung with Tarleton for a good portion of the game before Tarleton pulled away.  From reading the Tarleton recap, an 18-4 run late in the first half and a similar run in the second half pretty much made up the difference.  I believe it ended up being a 27 point game, but the 'Roos played pretty well.  Tarleton, fromwhat I've been told, should challenge as one of the top D2 teams this year, so hanging with them for as long as the 'Roos did is a good sign.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 07, 2008, 10:23:35 AM
wow, the SCAC looks like it is getting even more recognition as the preseason all-american list has come out with Mike Moore and Danny Noll on the 4th team. 

Do we have any predictions on preseason all-SCAC?  My top five would probably be Moore (POY), King, Noll, Smith, and Pursell (he was a junior last year, right?).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on November 07, 2008, 03:02:11 PM
I was VERY surprised by Danny Noll making 4th team with Andrew King, the SCAC's leading scorer and rebounder last season, not making even the Honorable Mention squad.  Danny is a very nice player but I thought the committee would look more at the stats in their decision.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 07, 2008, 04:23:19 PM
Danny Noll is going to be counted on to be big in a lot of ways this season. He's physically bigger, probably close to 6'7" now. He's continually improving on the inside as both an offensive rebounder and defender. When he arrived at Centre he was considered a single-dimension player - a 3-point shooter. My opinion is Noll has a nice upside. He's smart and dedicated.  If he shows the same improvement this year that he did last season, I think 4th team is clearly warranted.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on November 07, 2008, 11:19:36 PM
Noll is most definitely a good player, but selecting him over players like King and Ben Pursell is questionable.  It is absurd that the leading scorer and rebounder in a competitive conference does not make at least honorable mention.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2008, 08:58:47 AM
Tarheelfan, I am only speaking to the merits of Noll; I like both King and Pursell. I suspect because of Centre's basketball success the past 2 seasons Noll got more attention than the other two because their respective teams didn't perform as well. Doesn't make it right but a successful team draws attention to individual players. I would have rated King for some recognition because of his consistency and polished improvements year after year. Pursell, while a tremendous player and good athlete, has been prone to be injured which may also have taken away from his being recognized. With a new Tiger coach, decent guard play and a healthy Pursell, Sewanee has a chance to win a few more games this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2008, 10:08:07 AM
Ditto on what pbrooks3 said.  We touched early on a subject that has been discussed often in the past and will be much discussed sometime this season--do the awards go to the best players on the best teams or the players with the best stats on lesser teams?

I'm not going to get into that discussion before the season even starts, but I think we can all agree that once again the SCAC will be loaded with a lot of talented players.  There was a time not too long ago when the SCAC conference games included a few "easy" games for the top teams.  It seems that this is no longer the case and everybody needs to bring their best every night, especially when they are on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 08, 2008, 02:51:09 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on November 07, 2008, 10:23:35 AM
wow, the SCAC looks like it is getting even more recognition as the preseason all-american list has come out with Mike Moore and Danny Noll on the 4th team. 

Do we have any predictions on preseason all-SCAC?  My top five would probably be Moore (POY), King, Noll, Smith, and Pursell (he was a junior last year, right?).

I think you would have to include Oglethorpe's Todd Ward in this list.  He came in after the first semseter last year and was the conference's newcomer of the year.  He hadn't played competitve ball in a few years so the player you saw last year was shaking off rust.  In the GA State game he looked pretty good (despite foul trouble and taller matchups).  He's one of the leaders on the OU team and I'd expect an even better season from him this year...

Not sure about Austin but I keep hearing good things about Kola Alade... he may be another one to put on the list.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2008, 11:30:38 PM
Concur with FlightofthePetrel; I too like Todd Ward.  He's potentially the best player in the SCAC.  He'll need to develop a lot more consistency his sophomore campaign to make a dent for league honors.  I saw him take over a game at Rhodes last season for about 15 minutes.  Also witnessed a few of his games where he was a bit lost.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 11, 2008, 11:24:21 AM
what schools are kicking their season off this weekend?  Trinity doesn't have their first game until next weekend, but it is a great way to kick off the season.  They start off Friday, Nov. 21 against Schreiner (whose head coach was recently one of Trinity's assistants) and Saturday, Nov. 22 against Wisconsin - Stevens Pointe (who are preseason ranked 6th in the country and were also the spoilers of Trinity's '04-05 National Title run).  Oh and the following Tuesday, they face off with Mary-Hardin Baylor (preseason #10) at Trinity! 

Anyone else have some great matchups coming in the first weeks of play?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 11, 2008, 12:08:03 PM
Austin College opens up on Monday down at UT-Dallas at 7:30, and then next weekend will be hosting the Bob Mason Classic at Hughey Gym.  They'll be playing East Texas Baptist on Friday and then Hardin-Simmons on Saturday.  That kicks off a string of nine straight home games from 11/21 to 1/3.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 11, 2008, 01:00:21 PM
Oh wow, Austin College could have a great pre-conference record.  How many games outside of conference do they play on the road?  Just that one against UT-Dallas?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on November 11, 2008, 04:09:43 PM
Hendrix starts their season off against the Univ. of the Ozarks in Clarksville on Saturday.  Should be a nice test for the Warriors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 11, 2008, 11:40:00 PM
Centre laces them up this Saturday night at Franklin in Indiana.  Franklin played Centre in the 1st round of the D3 tournament in Danville last year.  The Colonels won but it was a hard-fought victory over a tenacious bunch of small but physical players.

The other two November games are good ones against traditional rivals, Transylvania at home, and then on the road at Maryville. 

Three decent tests to get the season started.  Maybe not quite the same as Trinity's start, but competitive nevertheless.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 12, 2008, 07:02:54 AM
Millsaps opens up Saturday against local NAIA Belhaven College.  That will be a very stiff test if Belhaven has their typical team.  This Millsaps team is one that should improve considerably as the season progresses (barring any major injuries).  They only have one SCAC game prior to Christmas, a home game with Hendrix on December 6th.  I suspect the coaches will use the other 9 games more for improvement than for getting a win-loss record that might lead to an at-large bid as they might have been thinking last year.  I believe the only path Millsaps will have this year to the NCAA Tournament is to qualify for the SCAC Tournament and then to win the thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 12, 2008, 11:51:45 AM
I wouldn't say that Centre's is that much easier of a start than Trinity's, pbrooks.  Franklin and Maryville are always extremely competitive teams. 

I read on the ASC board someone make the assumption that a good D3 team is not better than any NAIA team.  I obviously have a strong opinion AGAINST that statement, but I just wanted to get other people's opinions in here.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 12, 2008, 12:50:48 PM
Walter 17--This post showing the final wins and losses between D3 teams and NAIA teams in 2007-08 seems to indicated a general parity between D3 and NAIA.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=1167.msg894344#msg894344

Admittedly, that parity may come because teams tend to schedule non-conference games with other teams that are of somewhat similar strength.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 12, 2008, 02:45:35 PM
It depends entirely on which NAIA schools you are talking about.  Believe me, some NAIA teams could compete against low level D1 schools, while some could barely beat a strong high school team.  It just really depends on the school.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 12, 2008, 03:30:08 PM
I think that definitely sums up what I was thinking, jekelish.  I think that's the same for D3 schools.  Obviously, there are quite a few D3 schools out there that just can't compete against a higher division or NAIA division, but I believe (as we are reading in these exhibition reports) good D3 basketball isn't that much different from D2 or low D1 basketball.  But to say that good D3 basketball is not up to the level of any NAIA just stunned me.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 13, 2008, 04:21:57 AM
One of the things I really like about the new SCAC websites is that you get a different address for the different sections of the website (on the old one the home address always showed as you navigated through the pages).  Here's the link to the SCAC Men's schedule:

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 13, 2008, 11:28:49 AM
Oh wow, I hadn't seen the new website.  I heard they were changing webhost providers, or something of that sort (can't say I'm a tech guy!).  The new website looks terrific and navigates smoothly.  Does anyone know what the SCAC interactive page is intended to be used for?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2008, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: Walter17 on November 13, 2008, 11:28:49 AM
Oh wow, I hadn't seen the new website.  I heard they were changing webhost providers, or something of that sort (can't say I'm a tech guy!).  The new website looks terrific and navigates smoothly.  Does anyone know what the SCAC interactive page is intended to be used for?

Send scacsid a PM, he might know.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 14, 2008, 07:47:43 PM
The preseason SCAC prediction is out and can be found at:

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/0809predicted_order_finish
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 15, 2008, 09:57:37 AM
Things become serious tonight as Centre goes on the road for their opener against a scrappy opponent, Franklin. This will be a tough game and the Colonels will need to use their size to their advantage in order to get a win. Should be a competitive, entertaining kickoff to the b-ball campaign. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 15, 2008, 09:01:54 PM
See where Hendrix lost to Ozark.  Thought Centre-Franklin was set for Live-Stats tonight.  Apparently the folks doing Live-Stats for football this afternoon for Franklin weren't prepared to basketball tonight.  If anyone is keeping up with this game, post your update.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 15, 2008, 09:41:16 PM
Centre pulled out a tough road win at Franklin tonight in a physical game 57-55.  According to my source, there were lots of whistles blown and the game was a plodding defensive tussle. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 15, 2008, 10:05:06 PM
Score correction on the Centre-Franklin game - 67-65 Centre.  Thomason scores 23 and Noll gets 16.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 16, 2008, 08:21:05 AM
Millsaps lost by 19 to Belhaven to open up the season.  This Belhaven team looked to be about the same strength as the team that Millsaps beat 75-70 last year.

I was impressed with the Millsaps team considering the situation they are in to start the season.  The score was 29-27 Belhaven at halftime, and then it got to 39-37 before Belhaven went on a 13-0 run.  During that stretch it seemed like Millsaps had a group on the floor that wasn't lacking so much in talent but in chemistry.  That's no surprise since even the starting unit is going to take a while to mesh.  There are a lot of new faces that will need to contribute this year and a lot of returning players who will have to take on greater roles of responsibility.  That transition will take some time but I think Millsaps will be a tough opponent once SCAC play starts the main part of the season after Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 16, 2008, 07:32:51 PM
did anyone stand out for Millsaps, frank?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 16, 2008, 08:58:53 PM
A friend of mine who attended the Centre-Franklin game Saturday told me it was an outstanding competitive game with neither team getting more than a 6-pt lead throughout.  Centre's upperclassmen played extremely well.  I think Coach Mason is still hoping that some of the younger players will begin to make more significant contributions.  It will take a complete team effort in Maryville Tuesday night to have any chance of victory.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2008, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: Walter17 on November 16, 2008, 07:32:51 PM
did anyone stand out for Millsaps, frank?

I don't know if they'll have anyone who will really stand out this year.  This is going to be a team effort type of season with contributions being needed from 10-12 guys. 

Here's the box score from Saturday:  http://blazers.belhaven.edu/m_basketball/Stats/2008-09/Box%20Score-Millsaps.htm

Their Friday game at Louisiana College is scheduled for a webcast at 7 PM.  The link is:  http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 17, 2008, 11:57:15 AM
Did Ben Purcell get hurt in the first minute of the first game. If so, that's a tough break for Sewanee.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 17, 2008, 12:25:27 PM
I'm interested in the Austin/UT-Dallas game tonight.  jekelish, will you be in attendance?  This should be a good early test for the Roos.

Oglethorpe kicks off the season tonight against Emory.  Centre looks to have another tough game tomorrow night against Maryville, Tenn.

4-5 start for the SCAC on opening weekend.  Any word on what happened to Sewanee this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 17, 2008, 01:47:25 PM
I'm not going to be able to make it down to Richardson for the AC/UTD games tonight.  AC does host a tournament this weekend with Dallas, Hardin-Simmons and ETBU, so it'll be interesting for me to get my first real look at this year's squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on November 17, 2008, 06:03:54 PM
I'd love to hear updates on the UTD/AC game tonight if anyone is in attendance.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 17, 2008, 06:21:18 PM
Both the men's and women's games between UTD and AC are going to have live audio:

http://radio.utdallas.edu/ (http://radio.utdallas.edu/)

Not sure if there will be live stats or not, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 17, 2008, 10:45:51 PM
Oglethorpe Wins Overtime Thriller over Cross- Town Rival Emory  89-81!

Joe Kennedy calmly knocked down 2 free throws with 2.2 seconds left to force overtime.  In the overtime period the Petrels led by 5 I believe and seemed to have the overtime in control but an Emory bucket and quick steal and layup to make it a game again.  The Petrels made their free throws down the stretch to put the game away by the final margin. 

Oglethorpe was led by Sophomore Todd Ward's 25 points and 16 rebounds.  Joe Kennedy also had an impressive outing filling up the stat sheet with 18 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists.

Big win for Oglethorpe as they will look to carry that momentum all the way to Philadelphia this weekend for their tournament against Haverford and Swarthmore.

Here's the link by the way:  http://www.oglethorpe.edu/athletics/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 17, 2008, 11:31:51 PM
That's a tremendous win for OU. This team has some great talent. Ward can really play as evidenced by his stat line tonight. I've said it before - consistency is what will determine whether this squad will be a contender or a pretender.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 06:55:52 AM
Coach Ponder has done a great job at OU--I have a feeling that he will keep them as a contender year after year.  As for Todd Ward, everyone in the league saw his star potential last season.  They have a very young roster--5 freshmen, 6 sophomores, and 3 juniors--so I suspect they continue to need and get big numbers from Ward this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on November 18, 2008, 09:39:29 AM
Youth must be the rule this season as DePauw has one Senior,3or 4 Juniors ,6 Sophmores......Should be interesting if these young players are ready to step up. :o
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 18, 2008, 11:32:08 AM
Well, youth may not be the case for Trinity, as 6 of their top 7 are seniors.  Hopefully, that experience will help them win the close games that they lost last year (DePauw and Centre at home last season).

Sounds like Ward might be the real deal.  Good win for OU!  Seems like Oglethorpe/Emory games are usually high scoring (last year 106-89?).

Tough 85-64 defeat for Austin.  Looks like the were even down by 30 to UT Dallas.  I wasn't able to find a boxscore for this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 18, 2008, 11:33:31 AM
Box score/write up are both up on AC's website...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on November 18, 2008, 03:40:16 PM
A friend of mine went to the AC/UTD game last night and had some interesting points I'd like to bring up here....

If anyone follows AC in the last few years can they tell me what good Adam Bishop has brought to the team? I mean the times I have seen him play he was a decent role player. Maybe come in and play 10 mins a game and knock down some 3s but he cannot guard anyone. Last night he plays 14 mins and has 2 rebounds to show for it. Thats not much production from your starting 2 guard.

03 Adam Bishop......... *  0-3    0-0    0-1    1  1  2   0   0  0  0  0  0  14

They have a kid on their bench I saw play in high school that finnally got some time last night and had 22 points in 20 mins on 6-10 shooting. Maybe that coach ought to think about playing him more.

05 Mark Foster.........    6-10   2-3    8-9    2  0  2   2  22  0  1  0  2  20

Either way I think it is going to be another long and bad season for Austin College. I know it is hard to get good players in to school there but I don't see that team playing as efficient as they could be. If anyone else follows them please let me know what you think.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 18, 2008, 03:47:35 PM
Looks like Sturtevant wasn't much of a factor in last night's game.  Hopefully AC can get some production out of him to help them get on track.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 18, 2008, 04:46:17 PM
AC will be just fine.  As for the comment about "another bad year"...considering they went to the SCAC Tournament last year and were competitive all year, I don't think you can count that as a "bad year."

Sturtevant will be fine, as well.  It's the first game of the season, and these guys are all trying to get their legs.  Sturtevant was a little slow starting last year, but he finished up just fine.

As far as Bishop, what he brings to the table is a 6-3 kid who can hit the three, has good fundamentals, works his butt off, plays solid defense, and understands the team concept and is willing to do whatever is asked of him.  You can't look at just the stats to see the value of a basketball player.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 18, 2008, 07:27:51 PM
If anyone is attending or listening to the Centre-Maryville game tonight, please post an occasional update on the action. I'll be at another ballgame tonight and will miss the broadcast.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 11:04:48 PM
Centre 73-71 over Maryville is a final.  Got that off the SCAC board.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 18, 2008, 11:05:27 PM
Another solid road win for Centre tonight beating Maryville at the buzzer 73-71. Both the Franklin & Maryville games could have gone either way.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 11:06:23 PM
How about this one--Southwestern 75, UMHB 68.  Go SCAC!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2008, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 11:06:23 PM
How about this one--Southwestern 75, UMHB 68.  Go SCAC!!!
A chink in the Crusaders' armor?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 18, 2008, 11:34:39 PM
Here's the link from the Centre website on the recap of tonight's game -

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/news/0809/mbb_maryville_0809.html
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 19, 2008, 01:37:23 PM
whoa!  Does anyone know what happened to UMHB?  That's a huge win for Southwestern!  I definitely thought UMHB was a little overrated with a preseason #10 ranking. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2008, 12:10:30 AM
Congratulations to Southwestern in beating Mary Hardin Baylor.  I guess UMHB decided they didn't like the Pirates' gym any more than most of the teams in the SCAC.  I've only attended one game there; I thought the back-drop didn't lend itself to good shooting.  Obviously, the Pirates didn't have any problems torching the nets from the new 3-point line with uncanny accuracy.  This win stacks up as another good one for the SCAC over a ranked team.  I'll be curious to see how UMHB plays in San Antonio this weekend.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 20, 2008, 11:00:36 AM
actually, UMHB will be playing in San Antonio Tuesday.  Trinity and Southwestern host Schreiner and Wisconsin Stevens Pointe this weekend.  It would be nice to see two SCAC wins against #6 UWSP!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on November 20, 2008, 11:20:57 AM
I was surprised to see that Southwestern caused 21 UMHB turnovers.  The times I've seen Southwestern play, I don't remember them playing with too much pressure on defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2008, 06:20:27 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on November 20, 2008, 11:00:36 AM
actually, UMHB will be playing in San Antonio Tuesday.  Trinity and Southwestern host Schreiner and Wisconsin Stevens Pointe this weekend.  It would be nice to see two SCAC wins against #6 UWSP!!!
Thanks for correcting me on this, Walter17.  I seem to be getting my facts mixed rather frequently.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2008, 10:37:08 AM
Looks like Trinity will have a chance to extend UMHB's losing streak against the SCAC to 3--don't forget that Millsaps beat UMHB in the playoffs last year.

A reminder to all that the Millsaps at Louisiana College game is scheduled to be webcast by Millsaps with the tipoff at 7:00 Central time.  The link to that is:

http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Players/Millsaps%20College.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 21, 2008, 10:53:39 AM
No problem pbrooks!

Tonight Southwestern gets a chance to upset its second D3hoops top 10 team in a row with UW-Stevens Pointe.  It looks to be a great weekend for the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on November 21, 2008, 11:15:16 AM
Keep us updated...that would be another huge win for the conference
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on November 21, 2008, 04:03:43 PM
DPU opens up tonight at Boys Town in Crawfordsville against a perenially tough Franklin squad in a tournament that could set up an extra DPU-Wabash meeting this year.

I haven't the slightest idea what we'll see from DPU in the frontcourt tonight. David Gray and Joe Bergfeld return. Eric Hagen is back from a scary condition that required heart surgery last year and at 6'8" he's the tallest Tiger, though he lost some development time last year. Personally I think Ryan Sever has a chance to shine if he gets some minutes - his only minutes last year were late in blowouts but he always looked like the best player on the 'third team', as it were.

The backcourt looks solid - Mike Moore is back, of course, along with Tom Callen. Matt Bennett is a transfer who walked on and saw time at Valpo the last two seasons, so I'm guessing he could see some time. Not sure who the third guard starter will be - could be Bennett or Steve LeMasters if the Tigers don't decide to sacrifice size for speed by starting Moore and Tony James in the same backcourt (I always liked that alignment myself, though James is a really good fit coming off the bench). Ryan Russell should get some burn too. No idea about any of the frosh, so I'll be learning about them at the same speed as the rest of you.

Go Tigers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2008, 08:29:31 PM
Jumping over to the men's board after my Lady Majors lost to Louisiana College by 17, getting down by 21 at the half.

A tough night for DePauw as their ladies fell by 1 to Ill. Wesleyan and the men fell hard to Franklin, going down 75-61. 

Hendrix followed suit with their women's team and they rang Westminster's bell by a score of 86-53.

Millsaps is playing Louisiana College right now and the audio of that game is being webcast at the link I have a few posts back.  Game just started and Millsaps trails 7-6.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 21, 2008, 09:52:42 PM
Oglethorpe pulls out another squeaker as they down Haverford at the buzzer 69-67 as Alex Richey hits a put back at the buzzer for the game winner.  OU had 4 players in doubles figures and shot well from behind the arc (9-17)... at one point they were 8-11.  OU improves to 2-0 early in the season and will take on Swarthmore tomorrow at 3.  Live stats can be found here: http://blogs.swarthmore.edu/athletics/2008/11/18/2008-equinox-classic/

Stats from tonight's game, if they're still up:  http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/basketballm/0809statslive/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2008, 09:59:03 PM
Millsaps falls at Louisiana College 65-57.  Millsaps cut a 13-point LC lead in the second half down to 1 with about 3 minutes to go, but could never take the lead.  There's no doubt that the rest of 2008 will be a rebuilding period and time will tell on how competitive they will be in the two months of 2009.  They have a lot of guys in new situations and it's going to take a little time for things to come together.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2008, 10:03:48 PM
To round out the scores:

Wisconsin SP over Southwestern 74-59

Trinity over Schreiner 77-66

Sewenee is on the wrong end of a 77-66 score, falling to Rust this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 21, 2008, 10:55:49 PM
Appreciate the updates from everyone - I've only been on the blackberry tonight. Quite curious about the DPU-Franklin result. Hope someone will post more details on this one. I am not surprised that Franklin won; they're a scrappy bunch. The margin of victory on a neutral court was a bit surprising.  Know one game doesn't make a season this early. This result makes me appreciate the Centre win at Franklin even more.

I am learning from the early Centre games that the first 5-6 players on Coach Mason's squad are really producing. However, there is a considerable dropoff from there. Another tough rivalry game awaits the Colonels tomorrow night in Transy. It will take another solid effort to win. The best part is that this one is on the homecourt. Though there'll be plenty of Transy partisans in the seats.   

Good road win for OU.

Might be a pretty fair game in San Antonio tomorrow between UW-SP & Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on November 22, 2008, 09:24:19 AM
doomed by the long ball.No made 3pts by Depauw for first time in well over 400 games.Early season rash of turnovers wasnt helpful either.Depauw closed to 6 pts in second half then Franklin went on a 15-2 run that finished off the Tigers.Franklin played their typical fast paced game with alot of contact as they did vs Centre.Depauw needs to take care of the ball and knock down some threes to open up the middle this PM vs Wabash.Going to be a tuff place to play to get a win.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 22, 2008, 10:09:06 AM
I watched the Trinity vs. Schreiner game yesterday and it appeared to be in the Tigers' favor the whole way (even though the score makes it seem like it was a much closer game).  In typical Trinity fashion, the Tigers played 14 players with only two players (BJ Moon and Charles Houston) getting over 20 minutes in the game (22 and 21, respectively).  In just 21 minutes, Houston posted an 18 pt. 12 reb. game.  Looks to be a good start for the Tigers.

Southwestern scrapped their way to a close first half against UW-Stevens Point, but UWSP was just too tough in the second have and blew the game open with a 15+ point victory. 

Tonight's matchup between Trinity and UWSP should be a competitive one, which I should be attending.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 22, 2008, 03:54:25 PM
OU nails two 3 pointers in the final minute of the half to blow open what was a relatively close first half.  The Petrels lead 42-29 and have 3 players in double figures. 

Check out live stats: http://www.swarthmore.edu/athletics/team_mens_basketball/livestats/XLIVE.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 22, 2008, 04:56:20 PM
Oglethorpe dominates Swarthmore 93-70

In a game where Oglethorpe President Larry Schall, formerly at Swarthmore, had mixed emotions about winner of the game the Petrels used a balanced scoring attack that saw 6 players finish in double figures to secure the win.

The Petrels were led by Todd Ward and Alex Richey's 18 points.  Other players scoring in double figures were Allison (16), Kennedy (10), Buckley (10) and Weldon (10 pts. 8 reb.)

The Petrels improve to 3-0 and will take on Emory for the second time in 8 days to complete their season series on Tuesday.  The Petrels will then welcome Maryville and Lagrange to Dorough Filedhouse this upcoming weekend in their annual tournament.  All 3 upcoming games should provide some very good tests for OU.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2008, 06:27:42 PM
Millsaps has a tip off with Loyola-New Orleans in 10 minutes--that's 5:30 Central.

Live stats link:  http://www.dakstats.com/Websync/Pages/WebcastPlayByPlay/WebcastPBP.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&compID=78489&sea=

If that link doesn't work, go to this link and click Loyola:  http://www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Webcasts.aspx?association=10

Also should be a radio broadcast but the link on the Loyola website and the Millsaps website does not work.  Supposedly WGSO (990 AM in New Orleans) is carrying the game but I couldn't find a valid link for the station.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 22, 2008, 06:56:28 PM
Halftime at Austin College, AC leads Hardin-Simmons 51-30.  'Roos came out hot, got up 11-0 out of the gate.  Sturtevant and Alade were on fire early...Sturtevant has 12 at the half, and Alade has 17, 6 assists, 4 boards...the 'Roos are shooting 52% overall.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 22, 2008, 09:09:53 PM
Centre up at the half 32-26.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 22, 2008, 10:03:14 PM
The Colonels lost a close one to Transy tonight.  Transylvania scored 13-28 on 3's and it appears they outplayed Centre in the 2nd half.  Danny Noll did not have one of his better games, scoring but 4 points, all from the foul line.  Turnovers were also an issue for Centre tonight.  I had secretly hoped the Colonels could get through the opening three games with at least 2 wins, and they've succeeded.  A little surprised the loss came at home, but games with Transy are traditionally tough regardless of the venue.  Perhaps someone who attended tonight's game will post an analysis of the action.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on November 23, 2008, 04:58:17 AM
Hendrix handled RHEMA 79-67.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 23, 2008, 06:17:58 AM
Saturday was an interesting day in SCAC Men's basketball:

DePauw falls to Wabash 57-52.

Oglethorpe defeats Swarthmore 93-70.

Rhodes falls to Westminster 68-57.

Colorado College goes down in defeat to Chadron State, 82-61.

Millsaps loses at Loyola-New Orleans 57-54.  I was following this game and Millsaps was behind by about 20 at the half and their second half rally fell just short as they missed 2 3-pointers at the end that could have tied the game.  I believe Loyola is ranked or was ranked #24 in the NAIA polls.

Trinity lost an OT heartbreaker to Wisconsin-Stevens Point, 71-70.

Southwestern took a win over Schreiner, 58-41.

Centre lost to Transylvania, 65-63 (and I couldn't come up with a vampire play on words this early in the morning)

Hendrix beat Rhema 79-67.

Austin gets their first win of the season with a blow out of Hardin-Simmons, 79-56.

I believe that 4-6 for the SCAC on Saturday.  The wins were all by double-digits and 4 of the 6 losses were by 5 points or less. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on November 23, 2008, 09:00:15 AM
Although the box score may not show, the Centre-Transy game was one of the best games I have watched in a long time. The score was within 3 or 4 most of the game either way with Transy having a 12 point lead at one time, and Centre being up by 9 at another time. Transy prevailed with experienced players and great 3 point shooting. They will go far in their league. Centre's great 6th man from last year, Chris Gowers, is injured, and when he returns they will be a better team. Their 6-8 Sophmore Alex Lloyd continues to improve as well as their highly recruited 6-1 Freshman guard, Jeff Mulaney. Other freshman are adapting to Coach Mason's system, and will help soon. They will be very good later in the season. Sounds like their coming game with Oglethorpe on Dec. 7 will be very tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 23, 2008, 01:58:37 PM
Trinity had a great showing last night against #6 UW-Stevens Point, but came up just short of the win, with a 70-71 defeat in overtime.  Sophomore Luke Caldarera knocked down a few huge shots down the stretch (one being a buzzer beater in regulation to send it into overtime), but came up just short with a buzzer beater at the end of overtime.  He really showed that he will be an elite player at this level.

I am very excited for what the season has in store for this Trinity team.  A motivated Mary Hardin-Baylor comes to San Antonio Tuesday and will be a great test for the Tigers on how they bounce back from such an emotional game last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 23, 2008, 04:30:26 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on November 23, 2008, 09:00:15 AM
Although the box score may not show, the Centre-Transy game was one of the best games I have watched in a long time. The score was within 3 or 4 most of the game either way with Transy having a 12 point lead at one time, and Centre being up by 9 at another time. Transy prevailed with experienced players and great 3 point shooting. They will go far in their league. Centre's great 6th man from last year, Chris Gowers, is injured, and when he returns they will be a better team. Their 6-8 Sophmore Alex Lloyd continues to improve as well as their highly recruited 6-1 Freshman guard, Jeff Mulaney. Other freshman are adapting to Coach Mason's system, and will help soon. They will be very good later in the season. Sounds like their coming game with Oglethorpe on Dec. 7 will be very tough.

Old Student / Athlete, good to have your presence back on the board.  Agree that Oglethorpe is shaping up to be the next biggest game on Centre's schedule.  Oglethorpe is off to a nice start.  Their weekend games in PA were not against stellar opponents but were nonetheless against competitive squads and on par with some of the mid range teams in the SCAC.

Didn't catch much of the particulars on the Trinity UW- Stevens Point, but it sounded as if it was a great game.  Perhaps someone will post more details on the SCAC board on this one.

The game of the weekend last night was #2 Augustana hosting #1 Wash U.  I caught the final several minutes on the internet.  It went to overtime, and it was exciting until the final buzzer as Washington U pulled it out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 23, 2008, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on November 23, 2008, 01:58:37 PM
Trinity had a great showing last night against #6 UW-Stevens Point, but came up just short of the win, with a 70-71 defeat in overtime.  Sophomore Luke Caldarera knocked down a few huge shots down the stretch (one being a buzzer beater in regulation to send it into overtime), but came up just short with a buzzer beater at the end of overtime.  He really showed that he will be an elite player at this level.

I am very excited for what the season has in store for this Trinity team.  A motivated Mary Hardin-Baylor comes to San Antonio Tuesday and will be a great test for the Tigers on how they bounce back from such an emotional game last night.
Thanks for the post, Walter17 - guess I missed it when I was responding earlier to Old Student / Athlete.  I am thinking at this juncture of the season Trinity is back and ready to win another SCAC title. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 23, 2008, 05:00:10 PM
No problem.

It was a terrific "back and forth" game with neither team holding a lead more than about 6 or so.  It was one of those games with one big shot after another.  As a fan of basketball, you couldn't ask for a better game.  Although it was a loss, it was a great game for Trinity.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on November 23, 2008, 09:33:55 PM
Walter17, this may be a campaign for Trinity similar to Centre's last regular season. Moon and Houston are very fine senior players. While they are different players than Britt and Nestheide from last year's Centre team, there are some similarities. They both are capable of helping make their supporting cast better players. I am glad Centre doesn't  play in San Antonio this season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 24, 2008, 10:41:49 AM
haha, that would be nice to go undefeated in conference play, but Centre's run was an extremely special one.  I'm not sure if that will happen too frequently.  I agree that Moon and Houston are special players.  I don't know if I've seen a better perimeter defender over the last several years in the SCAC than Houston.  If this group can consistenly bring the type of effort they did against UW-Stevens Point Saturday, then they are more than capable of winning any game they go into.  What Centre's group last year did was take care of the teams that they SHOULD beat.  That's often what gets to good teams.  They don't concentrate as much on the "lesser teams." 

I'm looking forward to how this group performs night in and night out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 24, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
Agreed that what Centre accomplished in the regular season last year was special. I wasn't inferring Trinity would duplicate the undefeated SCAC regular season Centre had; only that Trinity perhaps had the horses to win the SCAC tourney this year. In retrospect, Millsaps achieved bigger in 2007-08 with an elite eight finish in D3 and the SCAC tourney crown.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 25, 2008, 12:14:27 AM
Frank,

   I went to the Millsaps and Loyala game over the weekend.  I really liked the way they fought in the game.  It would have been easy for them to lay it down at half time on the 2nd night of a back to back.  They didnt and I bet they surprise some people in conference play.  How does the point gaurd, who I really liked, tough, smart, and can shoot it, stack up with other point gaurds in the conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2008, 11:04:57 PM
I can't really compare Chad Songy to the other SCAC point guards.  While the coaches get to see film and really analize each player in the league, the typical fan only sees the other teams once or in some cases not at all since the schedule isn't a pure home-and-away setup.

I do know that Chad is extremely valuable to Millsaps and that they are counting on him heavily this year.  He reminds me a lot of my nephew Travis who played at Millsaps when they went to the NCAA tournament in 1999 or 2000.  That's a compliment that I wouldn't give to many point guards.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 25, 2008, 11:38:43 PM
I only saw Songy play twice last season. I'd seen him 3 or 4 times the previous year. In my book he made great strides in his game last season. To me, he seemed like the 2nd most valued player on the court right behind Montgomery. There were other very nice players on the court for Millsaps but Chad and Edrick were the keys to leading the Majors to the Elite Eight the way I saw it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2008, 01:10:01 AM
Trinity eased past UMHB tonight, 81-71.  TU led by 16 at the half, UMHB closed to within 3 but could not get over the hump.  Looked like a very physical game with 76 free throws awarded (pretty evenly) to the two teams. 

I was supposed to be at the game but my wife didn't get done packing until it was too late.   :(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 26, 2008, 08:19:47 AM
I think Trinity is going to be the real deal this year. Granted they've play all of their early season games at home against some tough competition, but I sense Coach Cunningham has the makings of a special team here.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 26, 2008, 03:22:08 PM
I would agree with you there pbrooks.  It will be interesting to see how Trinity fairs on the road.  With two more home games this weekend (Olivet tomorrow on Thanksgiving night and Whitman on Saturday), they should have quite the confidence entering into SCAC play at Colorado next weekend.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on November 26, 2008, 06:21:05 PM
Blessings to everyone who posts this Thanksgiving season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 28, 2008, 10:00:06 AM
I was one of the 118 who got to see Trinity defeat Olivet in OT last night, 63-61.  Both teams played as if they had a turkey hangover.  Trinity rushed out to a 14-2 lead as Olivet couldn't find the basket, but the Comets found their sea legs and started to hit their shots, held a narrow lead at the half which they extended to as many as nine in the second.  The game was pretty sloppy with lots of turnovers, travelling and palming (! - they could call that every time down the court) calls.  Trinity had a huge advantage at the free throw line (24-5, Olivet never got in the bonus) but managed to miss a lot of them in regulation. 

They were playing in the inaugural "Trip Sports Shootout," eight men's and eight women's teams, but it's not a championship, each team gets a couple of games.  There were D3 and NAIA teams, but schools only played teams in their own affilliation.  Teams from MI, OH, IN (the DePauw women made the trip), WI, CA, OK, and of course TX were in attendance.

There's live video, but it's $8 a head.  Trinity will play Webster on Saturday, Webster and Olivet match up tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 28, 2008, 10:20:27 AM
You nailed it on the head Ron - "Turkey hangover."  Both teams looked lethargic, which showed by both teams shooting under the 40% mark.  It wasn't the greatest of games for Trinity, but it adds another one to the W column.

Olivet will play Whitman from WA tonight and Trinity will play Whitman tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 29, 2008, 09:07:09 PM
Arrived in time to catch the beginning of the 2nd half of the Principia & Rhodes game. It's a laugher with 15 minutes to go. Rhodes is up 67-33. Cory Smith has 13. Not much of a game - seems as if the post-turkey has set in.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2008, 11:05:38 PM
Trinity started slow but came from seven down early in the second half to claim a 71-61 victory over Whitman (CA).   Charles Houston led the way with 19 points on 9-11 shooting (but 1-4 FTs) plus 11 boards.  Luke Caldarera came off the bench to add 13 and Patrick Robinson had 10 as Coach Cunningham emptied the bench after the team built a 17-point lead late.  Whitman's Chris Faidley led all scorers with 22.

Trinity only shot 38% but outrebounded Whitman 41-34 and forced 27 turnovers, losing 14 of their own.    The Tigers start SCAC play this week with games at Colorado College and Austin College. 
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Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 30, 2008, 12:09:34 PM
Oglethorpe tops Murvull  77-75

Didn't see the game but read about it on the OU Website.  Sophmorer Todd Ward knocks down a turn around jumper at the foul line with 1.2 seconds left to give the Petrels the win.

Here's an summary from the game writeup that sums it up pretty well.

"A win for the Petrels looked to be in doubt for most of the evening as the Scots raced to a 38-34 halftime lead. They widened the lead all the way up to 14 at 58-44 with 14 minutes remaining in the game. From there, however, the Petrels used a decisive 17-3 run to tie the score at 61 at set the stage for a furious final 5 minutes.

Oglethorpe was able to keep their poise down the stretch to earn the hard fought victory over the Scots. During the closing moments, the Petrels got critical 3-point jump shots from Joe Kennedy, Alex Richey and David Allison to preserve the victory.

It was Allison who elevated from 23 feet right in front of Oglethorpe's bench to knock down a deadly 3-pointer with only 37 seconds remaining to lift Oglethorpe to a 75-72 advantage. On the ensuing possession, however, Scots freshman Jordan Damron tied the game with a 3-pointer of his own from the top of the key.

Tied at 75 with only 12 ticks left, head coach Phil Ponder called timeout and gave the Petrels some final instructions before sending the team back out on the court. The plan: feed sophomore Todd Ward in the high post and give him a chance to either shoot or kick out to an open shooter.

The plan worked brilliantly as Ward cleared out on the left side, drove to the foul line extended and hit a turnaround jumper from 16 feet with only 1.2 seconds left to lift Oglethorpe to the victory.

For the night, Ward recorded 20 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists to lead all 5 Oglethorpe starters in double-figures. Alex Richey had 13 points and 7 rebounds, Joe Kennedy and David Allison each netted 12 points and Wade Weldon notched 11 to round out the leading scorers."

Again OU had all 5 starters in double figures... I'm starting to see that this team is VERY balanced and can hurt you from many different areas.  They return to action today against Lagrange at 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 30, 2008, 04:17:54 PM
If there is such a thing a being a sleeper this year, Coach Ponder's squad might be it.  A good victory last night for OU. Centre and OU look pretty similar starting out.  Can't wait til we see some true SCAC tilts this coming weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2008, 01:36:46 AM
Millsaps got their first win of the season today with a 92-79 victory over Rust College.  Five players scored in double-figures as the Majors poured in 18 of 32 from behind the arc.  Here are links to a story and the box score:

Story:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/113008release.shtml

Box Score:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm08-05.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on December 01, 2008, 11:35:22 AM
Not a bad start for the SCAC.  What are some interesting matchups this weekend as we start conference play?

I think Trinity should handle both Colorado College and Austin College this weekend.  But we all know that you can't count any team out come conference time, especially when Trinity is playing on the road.  I'm expecting two very competitive games this weekend. 

Also, Charles Houston seems to be starting off with monster numbers; 3 double doubles and averaging 15.3 ppg and 12 reb/game.  Obviously, those numbers may drop over the course of a season, but they are still impressive in Trinity's 4-1 start.

Any other noteworthy individual performances thus far?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 01, 2008, 12:01:07 PM

Centre will be hosting their 2nd game of the season tonight against Berea College from the NAIA ranks.  Berea should be competitive in this game.  They've got some length in the middle and usually have some decent guards.  Berea gave Centre fits last season when they played after Christmas at Danville.  Centre prevailed, but it was a close game and the Colonels pulled it out in OT.  No audio, video or live stats on this one.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 01, 2008, 10:49:29 PM
Centre had a rather easy time of it tonight against Berea taking control early in the 2nd half. Coach Mason got to play a lot of his freshmen. Backup senior guard, Kris Bentley had a nice game scoring 11 with 3 triples, 3 assists and only 1 turnover. The Pikeville native can be a key contributor to this squad's success this season spelling the other guards.
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Post by: jekelish on December 02, 2008, 11:01:45 AM
Austin College got past Dallas Christian easily, winning by 21 in a game that could have (and probably should have) been more like a 30-35 point margin.  The refs only called nine fouls in the entire first half, and then whistled AC for nine fouls in the first five minutes of the second half, which really killed any attempt to establish momentum and build on their lead.  It just sort of disrupted the flow of the game.

Alade and freshman Scott Straley each scored 14 for Austin College.  Alade and Kyle Lintelman each had five assists.  The 'Roos got solid contributions from several players.  Josh Saunders had 10 boards and showed some great court vision.  Austin College had 10 blocks as a team, with Sturtevant and Saunders getting three apiece.

The real fun starts this weekend of course, when AC meets Southwestern in a rematch of the "coin flip game" and then gets a big test against Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on December 03, 2008, 07:16:53 PM
Hendrix posted a double-digit victory over Rust last night in Conway 79-65.  It was a 22 point game with a couple minutes remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 05, 2008, 04:37:19 PM
There won't be an audio or live stats from Sewanee tonight, but I am here!  Will try to post occasionally on the Centre-Sewanee game as cell coverage allows.  This is the first time I will have seen either of these squads play this season.  One thing you may always count on at this time of year at Sewanee is it's cold.  The sun is shining and it still feels bone-chilling on the mountain.  Hope the Colonels will warm things up a bit tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 05, 2008, 07:50:13 PM
Centre up 37-15 at half.  A local radio station in Cowan TN is streaming the game - WZYX 1440 AM 94.5 FM
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 05, 2008, 08:39:41 PM
Centre prevails 60-39 with a fairly ugly 2nd half by both squads. Sewanee played a zone most of the opening 20 and Centre converted 8-17 in the 1st half. Freshman, Jeff Mullaney canned four 3s.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on December 05, 2008, 11:41:46 PM
Luke Caldarera poured in 29 points to lead Trinity to a 73-59 victory over Colorado College.  Caldarera made 10 of 13 shots from the floor and all eight of his free throw attempts.   He also pulled down a game-high 10 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 06, 2008, 12:26:55 AM
Having seen my first complete SCAC game of the season tonight on the mountain, I am pleased to have a Centre road win in the book.  Sewanee was clearly overmatched by the Centre defense.  The first 20 minutes was all Centre and the game for all practical purposes was over at the half.  Sewanee struggled all night to get the ball on the block to their stud, Ben Pursell, where he could operate.  The Tigers made only 12 field goals the entire night.  I think Sewanee can give some of their SCAC opponents a challenge on the homecourt if they can develop their man-to-man defense, and learn to rotate the ball  better offensively.  They will improve as the seaon progresses, but it will be slow growth for them, I believe.

I was impressed with Centre's defense in the 1st half, and offensively the way they successfully and deliberately attacked the zone defense to score 8 3s in the opening 20 minutes.  Ryan Crowder looked very solid this evening guiding the offense and playing smart with and without the ball.  The Colonels have a steady 2-guard in freshman, Jeff Mullaney.  For a young player he plays very much under control and he showed a nice 3-point touch tonight.  Starting off-guard, Kris Bentley continues to hustle and contribute key baskets.  I was worried about the guard play going into this season given the graduation of Nestheide and Britt.  I believe these positions are winding into shape.

What is particularly impressive about the Centre team 5 games deep into the season is that the players know their respective roles and they mesh effectively to execute Coach Mason's offensive and defensive schemes.  Sure there are mistakes and turnovers, but the team concept is so apparent as they work in a disciplined fashion to exploit the opponent's achilles heel.

Liked what I saw tonight.
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Post by: lammersk on December 07, 2008, 12:37:57 PM
Oglethorpe 34 ~ Centre: 31 at the half

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 07, 2008, 12:47:59 PM
3-point contest at Oglethorpe the 1st 20 minutes. OU's zone makes you want to shoot the 3-ball, and before you know it you're behind. Centre needs to accentuate some of the size mis-matches,particularly when Ward is not in the game. Competitive game and the Colonels need to return to the floor ready to play the 2nd half. Kris Bentley is 4-11 on 3s.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on December 07, 2008, 12:51:33 PM
One of Oglethorpe's announcers said that Centre only took one shot in the paint in the first half.

If you're intersted in following the game Oglethorpe is broadcasting it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on December 07, 2008, 01:17:41 PM
About 45 minutes until the tip between AC and Trinity here in Sherman.  I'll be interested to see how well the supporting cast for the 'Roos can step up, considering I'm sure Trinity will be hounding Kola Alade with someone like Charles Houston all game long.  It would be a nice game for Sturtevant to finally break out this season.  He's had a couple good games, but certainly not as good as he's capable.  Today would be a great day for that to change.

After all, it's Larry Bird's birthday...why not a big game from a tall forward who can knock it down from deep?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 07, 2008, 01:54:04 PM
Centre prevails 64-59 in Atlanta inspite of poor free throw shooting. Centre played fantastic defense in the 2nd half, shut down the 3-pointers and exploited the size advantage they had with Alex Lloyd. Crowder was big down the stretch. Noll led the way with 15. Lloyd had 10 pts and 11 boards. Ward led OU with 18 along with 11 rebounds. Good way for the Colonels to begin the SCAC season on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on December 07, 2008, 02:42:23 PM
Halftime in Sherman, AC leads Trinity 30-28.  Sturtevant is 3-of-5 from the field and has 7 points, and nine players have scored for Austin College.  Trinity is 1-of-9 from three as a team, but is out-rebounding the 'Roos 23-17 in the first half, with 10 of those boards coming on offense.  High scorer for the Tigers is Patrick Robinson with 7.  Houston has 2 points and 4 boards at half, for those who are curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2008, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: jekelish on December 07, 2008, 02:42:23 PM
Halftime in Sherman, AC leads Trinity 30-28.  Sturtevant is 3-of-5 from the field and has 7 points, and nine players have scored for Austin College.  Trinity is 1-of-9 from three as a team, but is out-rebounding the 'Roos 23-17 in the first half, with 10 of those boards coming on offense.  High scorer for the Tigers is Patrick Robinson with 7.  Houston has 2 points and 4 boards at half, for those who are curious.

Thanks for the update, jekelish. 

In the two games I saw over the holidays Trinity was a second-half team, it will be interesting to see if they are again today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 07, 2008, 03:17:34 PM
Any update on Trinity-Austin?
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Post by: jekelish on December 07, 2008, 03:39:17 PM
Ron, you were right...Trinity continued to be a second half team, opening the half with a 22-8 run that put them up 12, and that ended up being the final margin...Trinity 74, AC 62.  Trinity made 22 free throws in the second half and AC shot 31% after halftime.  The 'Roos trimmed it to 7 a couple times late but the Tigers just kept making their free throws.  Alade had 20 for AC, and Caldarera had 15 points and 15 boards for TU.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2008, 04:47:36 PM
TU-AC box (http://artemis.austincollege.edu/admin/sports/results/Recaps/mb08gm6.htm).  Trinity ends up with a 52-28 advantage on the boards including a whopping 20 offensive boards. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 08, 2008, 08:25:43 AM
At the 1/8th mile pole, it looks like Trinity and Centre. Any other observations on various teams through these opening SCAC games?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on December 08, 2008, 09:27:24 AM
My observation on AC: they are improved from a year ago, and will keep getting better.  Once they are clicking a little more (the young guys getting a little more experience, Sturtevant getting it going a little more, etc) they will be in position to be a possible spoiler for some teams come conference tourney time.  Burke and Lintelman are improved from a year ago, and a couple of the freshmen look really, really promising.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 08, 2008, 10:32:38 PM
Jekelish, just a follow-up to your comments yesterday,what did you think about the Trinity team Austin faced in the 2nd half?  I sense Coach Cunningham may have what it takes this year to be back in the D3 post-season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 08, 2008, 10:39:38 PM
Wonder whether Colorado College can pull out another victory or two. It seemed to me that the schedule set up pretty well for CC to spring the upset Saturday night. I'm glad Centre doesn't have to play back-to-back nights at Austin followed by a game at Colorado Springs. Who else is playing on Saturday night in Colorado after a Friday night tilt this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2008, 11:00:30 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 08, 2008, 10:39:38 PM
Wonder whether Colorado College can pull out another victory or two. It seemed to me that the schedule set up pretty well for CC to spring the upset Saturday night. I'm glad Centre doesn't have to play back-to-back nights at Austin followed by a game at Colorado Springs. Who else is playing on Saturday night in Colorado after a Friday night tilt this season?
Here (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/COLO/mens/2009) is the answer.

You gotta love this website!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on December 09, 2008, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 08, 2008, 10:32:38 PM
Jekelish, just a follow-up to your comments yesterday,what did you think about the Trinity team Austin faced in the 2nd half?  I sense Coach Cunningham may have what it takes this year to be back in the D3 post-season. 

The biggest thing I can say is that, from the one game I saw, Trinity as a whole is a clutch team.  I don't mean just making a big shot (which they did, however) but the little things, too.  Anytime AC was on the verge of getting right back into it, they came up with a big play.  You know, grabbing an offensive board when they needed it, coming up with a defensive stop when they needed it, or hitting a jumper with the shot clock winding down, like the three they got with 1:18 left.  That shot was pretty much the backbreaker, and the moment I knew the game was over.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on December 09, 2008, 11:52:51 AM
What a weekend of basketball!  Does anyone have comments on the DePauw/Oglethorpe game? 

I too was at the Austin/Trinity game and jekelish gave a pretty good description of what happened.  Austin could be a real bubble burster of a team this season and even more frightening - next season!  With only two or so seniors and their real "star power" coming back after this season, I see this team making great strides towards being a threat for conference.  Coach Wecker has done a great job.  He has brought in great size and athleticism, now they just need to get a "winner's mentality."  And that's exactly what Coach Cunningham has instilled in his players over the past few years. 

This Trinity team came in on the tail end of Trinity's four year NCAA tournament stretch.  None of the current players really saw time their freshmen year and weren't key parts of Trinity's success.  Over the last two years, they have met their fair share of let downs (overtime losses and lost leads in crunch times).  It is obvious that they have learned from their mistakes in the past.  One major defining point for the Tigers this season is their ability to control the boards.  They made a huge statement this weekend by having 25 and 20 offensive rebounds in each game!!! That's amazing; especially for a team that doesn't have a single player over 6'7.  It really speaks volumes about the attitude of this team.   They don't have the height or "star power" that the Devins' Trinity teams had, but they definitely are a scrappier bunch that comes up big when needed to.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 09, 2008, 01:54:33 PM
Good stuff on the Trinity & Austin crews.  I don't know why we're not getting much on DePauw other than the typical DPU posters aren't thrilled with the team's start.  Or perhaps they're still discussing the football season!  On Oglethorpe, I was prepared to be more impressed with them then what I saw on Sunday.  They truly have a dynamite player in Todd Ward - he's a gifted athlete and he can do a lot of things.  They basically surround him with 4 guards.  So there's not much size.  Coach Ponder has an athletic freshman named Erik Strong coming off the bench (6'5" or so) that will be a force down the road.  He's a banger playing close to the basket with a definite desire to go get the ball.    All of the guards can shoot the 3.  I thought they played well against Centre in the 1st half.  Centre simply played much better defense in the 2nd half, and OU went cold as well.  They also had to protect Ward a bit because of fouls so that probably worked against them.  Ward has to be in the game most of the time for them to beat good teams.  I suspect the coach would say his team didn't play well against Centre, and that's probably an accurate assessment.  But I think all in all, Centre was the better team.  Neither squad shot the ball particularly well, and Centre truly stunk it up on the free throw line.  TC Thomason, who shot better than 70% on the line last season, clanked 7 of 9 free throws against OU.  I think Oglethorpe will be competitive.  How many league games they can win on the road will be a key to their season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on December 10, 2008, 10:37:27 AM
Its hard to get a feel this early on a team with one Senior.Depauw played decent on Friday in Atlanta.Ward is athletic,but made several tunovers.We were killed by Kennedy's shooting touch torching us for 20 second half points.Going 1 and 1 on a road trip this early is resonable.I expect we will turn the table on Ogelthorpe at home. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on December 10, 2008, 12:45:35 PM
It looks like Trinity is receiving some love from the voters - #25!  We won't see them back in action until next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 10, 2008, 08:46:40 PM
Pretty ugly opening half at Mallory with Rhodes and Rust knotted at 42-42. Lots of poor passing and turnovers by both squads. Rhodes has Dean Shroyer hitting 5-7 on 3-pointers so far. Not be outdone, Nathan Ollie has 15 as well with 3 3's. Cory Smith is empty from the field with 4 free throws and a couple of nice assists. Rhodes should be up by 10, but sloppy ballhandling and porous defense have  contributed to their current fate.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 10, 2008, 09:09:16 PM
12:49 to go - Rust is up 65-51. Rhodes looks tired and uninterested.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 10, 2008, 09:18:49 PM
Ollie is a one-man wrecking crew for Rhodes. He's got 26 and the Rhodes in within 7 at the 6:59 mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 10, 2008, 09:27:34 PM
79-79 with 2:55 to play. Ollie has 32 with five 3s.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 10, 2008, 10:02:44 PM
Thanks to some clutch shooting from Nate Ollie, 3 big free throws from Cory Smith and a 5-minute scoring drought by Rust to close the game, Rhodes wins 82-79. The Lynx played to the level of the competition tonight and squeaked by an inferior opponent. It was clearly the Ollie show with him putting up 32 tonight with an array of shots. He and Smith are both scorers who will need to figure out how to involve teammates if they are to enjoy success in the SCAC this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 14, 2008, 07:46:12 PM
Millsaps picked up their second win of the season this afternoon with a 70-66 victory over LaGrange College.  It was a game where LaGrange led most of the second half and Millsaps kept hanging on and chipping away, finally taking a lead with about 5 minutes to go and holding on as Chris Sanders hit 5 FTs in the last 29 seconds.

Obviously, this group is not on par with last year's team and there's no reason to expect them to be.  When it comes to game experience, the 2008-09 team is about on the same level as the 2004-05 group which finished at 9-16 after starting out 1-9.  This year's team will get better and I think they'll be a fairly good team by the end of the year, especially if they can find more consistency on offense.  It's a good sign that they had 5 players in double figures today and Brett Hittel came close as he provided a much needed spark with 9 points in 11 minutes of play.

Here's the box score from today's game:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm08-08.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 17, 2008, 08:04:54 AM
6-1 Centre heads to Northern Kentucky tonight to take on a strong annual rival in Thomas More. Thomas More has opened the season in a similar fashion to the Colonels losing only one game to Transylvania, the same team that Centre lost to in their home opener by 2 points. Hopefully, the Colonels will be ready to compete tonight. I believe T More will have Live Stats on the web for this one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 17, 2008, 11:33:37 AM
http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/mbasketball/live/xlive.htm , to be exact.

Trinity has a couple of games at Southwestern Thursday and Friday night - I'm going to try to get there.  It's another four-team event where SU and TU get two games against non-SCAC opponents. 

Ready to get the regular season underway!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on December 17, 2008, 04:00:44 PM
It should be a couple of good games for the Tigers and Pirates this weekend.  I don't know much about Lakeland or Marian, but you can never take a team from Wisconsin lightly in DIII - usually they are pretty competitive.

It's nice to see Trinity up to #22 in the latest poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 17, 2008, 09:44:30 PM
Centre played a stellar 2nd half and pulled away from Thomas More 76-53.  Kris Bentley lit it up from the 3-point line by hitting 6 of 9 for the game.  Ryan Crowdis chipped in 16; Alex Lloyd had 11 rebounds.  The game was close in the 1st half with Centre taking a 2-point lead at half.  They held Thomas More to 16% shooting in the final 20 minutes.  Appears the Colonels played some of their best basketball during the final half leading into the Christmas break. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 17, 2008, 10:10:08 PM
Understand the Colonels employed a zone defense in the 2nd half that turned the game around. Not only did Thomas More miss 26 of 31 shots, they missed all 11 three-point attempts in the final half. Defense is Coach Mason's calling card whether it's man-to-man or a zone.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 18, 2008, 09:56:11 PM
I didn't make it to Georgetown tonight, but Trinity had little problem with Lakeland (4-2), winning  82-53.   Four Tigers ended up in double figures with both BJ Moon and Charles Houston leading the way with 13.  Trinity (7-1) shot 48% (nearly 60% in the second half) to Lakeland's 31%.  Moon added seven assists and six steals.

In the nightcap, Southwestern defeated Marian (4-5), 67-56.  Zach Bergstrom had 17 and Andrew McDonald 14 to lead the Pirates, who improved to 5-3. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on December 19, 2008, 03:39:23 PM
We just opened the door on another new area of the SCAC website - SCAC Interactive.

We will use this area to blog from championship events as well as post pictures and video. Also, we plan on a weekly (or bi-weekly podcast), featuring interviews with student-athletes and coaches.

To check out the inaugural podcast, click this link:

http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/interactive (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/interactive)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 19, 2008, 08:08:02 PM
Went to see Trinity take on Marian at Southwestern.  At first the Sabres had a great deal of difficulty getting anything going against the TU defense and found themselves down 10-0.  They eventually were able to start driving the baseline and got within a few midway through the first half.  Trinity then closed off the baseline, the Marian offense turned into a three-point shooting contest and the Tigers were able to build a 33-25 halftime lead.

In the second half, Marian got going with strong play from 6'5" post Logan Rankin and Trinity couldn't buy a basket.  A couple of turnovers, the second on a very lackadaisical inbounds pass, and Marian took the lead as Trinity scored but three points in the first 8:55 of the second half.  The Tigers would finally get going when BJ Moon hit a three on a rebound off a missed free throw, and Moon continued his strong play on both sides of the ball as Trinity pulled away down the stretch to garner a 62-49 win.   Charles Houston also had a strong night on the defensive end with several nice steals.

Trinity had a horrendous night from the free throw line early which helped keep the Sabres in the game.  TU improves to 8-1 while Marian falls to 4-6.

EDIT:  Southwestern already has the box up - great work by the SID there.  Moon had 19 and Houston 14 with 11 boards and 4 steals to lead the way for Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 19, 2008, 08:34:15 PM
Thought about sticking around for the nightcap ... but didn't.  According to live stats Southwestern trails Lakeland 20-17 at the half.  The two teams have combined for 14 turnovers, 23 fouls and have shot a collective 1-17 from beyond the arc (with the Pirates doing heavy damage to the rims at 1-of-13).   Lakeland has missed 8-of-14 free throws.

Right now I would say I made the right choice.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 19, 2008, 11:46:40 PM
SCACSID, appreciate the heads-up on SCAC Interactive. The website is clearly an improvement this year and junkies of the SCAC like me are benefitting.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on December 20, 2008, 02:29:37 PM
The SCAC website looks terrific!  Great improvements.

Although they played maybe their worst game of the season, Trinity really showed their maturity against Marian last night.  They didn't let a little energy and some bad shooting effect their overall performance.  BJ Moon really stepped up and carried this team offensively for a two minute stretch to get Trinity back into the game.  Going into this weekend, Trinity was last place in the SCAC in FG% (under 40%!!!).  If their shooting percentage can increase, I think they have a legit shot at making a terrific run through out conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on December 20, 2008, 09:42:29 PM
AC went out of conference to beat Stevenson (out of Baltimore) 78-58 tonight.  Burke and Beatty had 11 and 12 boards apiece, and 13 players scored, including, if I remember correctly, 9 with 6+ points.  Alade was the high scorer with 9 in an incredibly balanced attack.  Poor shooting from the 'Roos kept it close for awhile, but they got some big threes in the second half from Mewbourn and Bishop to help blow things open.

Thursday they fell to #24 UTD by 8 in a game that was very similar to the Trinity game.  UTD went on a 20-8 run starting with about 7 minutes remaining, opening up what had been a tight, back and forth game.

Once this team figures it out, they're going to be awfully tough.  Next year, especially, they could easily be a 15+ win team and really be a big threat in the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 21, 2008, 06:44:23 PM
Coach Greg Mason is on Hoopsville tonight talking about SCAC basketball for anyone interested.  He should be coming on approximately 6 pm CT (7 pm ET).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on December 22, 2008, 11:42:55 AM
What's up with Hoopsville? I cannot get any of the episodes to play or download.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 23, 2008, 10:59:12 PM
Lammersk, I picked up Hoopsville live Sunday night for the 1st time this season. I had problems pulling from the recent archives, but successfully grabbed podcasts from the previous season.
I'll check this further.

Greg Mason served as the voice on southern D3 basketball Sunday night. He was good as usual and limited his remarks to the teams he knew about and had played. He highlighted the fact that Centre has played a tougher out-of-league schedule this year with a 6-0 road record and quality road wins at Franklin, Maryville, Oglethorpe and Thomas More. He also mentioned that the Colonels are a quicker and physically stronger team than last year's version. Greg has two quality bigs in Danny Noll at 6'6" and Alex Lloyd at 6'8". He complimented the whole team and the great defense being played, positive assist to turnover ratio and the much improved rebounding.   
It's good exposure again for the SCAC to have Coach Mason on Hoopsville.  Not only is he doing great things with Centre basketball, but he's getting some national notice, too.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2008, 11:04:00 AM
A question about BSC...

How are they progressing thru the re-classifying process?

Is there any chance that they might complete re-classification in three years instead of four?

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2008, 07:01:53 PM
Halftime -- Dickinson 34, Hendrix 34.


7:25 left -- Dickinson 55, Hendrix 50.


Dickinson 62 Hendrix 55, 4:11 left.


Dickinson 64, Hendrix 61 2:36 left


Dickinson 71-62. 1:03 left.

Final Dickinson 73-64 from Livestats.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on December 28, 2008, 09:50:47 PM
According to the live stats for Hendrix, King scored 27 but didn't play the last 6 minutes.  Foley didn't play the last 8 minutes.  Neither in foul trouble.  Interesting.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 29, 2008, 08:51:15 AM
Am going to see if we can find out how Birmingham Southern is charting on its path to be reclassified based on Ralph's post. 

Centre returns to the hardwood tonight hosting their annual holiday tournament against Piedmont. Hanover and Maryville hook-up in the other game. Tomorrow the Colonels have their rematch with Maryville, a young team with some nice players. I suspect Centre will have their hands full with Maryville inspite of having the so-called homecourt advantage. Interesting to note that Centre is 2-1 at Danville this season and 6-0 on the road with 4 quality regional victories. Hope to see TC Thomason have a big tournament.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2008, 11:08:43 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 29, 2008, 08:51:15 AM
Am going to see if we can find out how Birmingham Southern is charting on its path to be reclassified based on Ralph's post. 

Centre returns to the hardwood tonight hosting their annual holiday tournament against Piedmont. Hanover and Maryville hook-up in the other game. Tomorrow the Colonels have their rematch with Maryville, a young team with some nice players. I suspect Centre will have their hands full with Maryville inspite of having the so-called homecourt advantage. Interesting to note that Centre is 2-1 at Danville this season and 6-0 on the road with 4 quality regional victories. Hope to see TC Thomason have a big tournament.   
If someone could complete re-classification in 3 years, I think BSC is that team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on December 29, 2008, 11:18:58 AM
I was in Atlanta for a week over Christmas, and there were several reports on the local TV news about the dire financial condition of Oglethorpe. The report stated they may loose their "accreditation". Does anyone know more about this? I hope this is not a harbinger of things to come for small D3 schools in a bad economy.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2008, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on December 29, 2008, 11:18:58 AM
I was in Atlanta for a week over Christmas, and there were several reports on the local TV news about the dire financial condition of Oglethorpe. The report stated they may loose their "accreditation". Does anyone know more about this? I hope this is not a harbinger of things to come for small D3 schools in a bad economy.
Thinking out of the box...

Travel in the GSAC is less expensive than travel in the SCAC.

1)  Huntingdon
2)  LaGrange
3)  Murvul
4)  Piedmont

5)  Oglethorpe
6)  Berry (If they go provisional in 2009-10)
7)  Covenant (If they go provisional in 2009-10.)

Bingo!  Pool A bid in all sports in 2015-16.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2008, 02:15:25 PM
Oglethorpe and SACS...

AJC 19Dec08
(http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2008/12/19/oglethorpe_accreditation.html)

AJC 20Dec08 (http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2008/12/20/oglethorpe.html)


Much duplicity in the two articles...   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on December 29, 2008, 05:33:56 PM
AC got back into action today against Milwaukee School of Engineering.  I don't know much about MSOE other than they were 7-2 and had beaten Grinnell in a shootout coming into today's game, but AC managed to hold them off (built double digit leads several times) for a 58-54 win.

Mark Foster had 17 for AC, Kola Alade had 12 (only took 7 shots) and nine boards, and Spencer Burke had six blocks.  Adam Bishop hit the game winner with 1:06 left, hitting a short jumper as the shot clock expired.  AC had the ball out on the baseline, 1 second left on the clock, Bishop takes the ball out, throws it off the back of a MSOE player, picks up the ball and knocks down the jumper.  Heads up play there.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 29, 2008, 09:21:50 PM
The Oglethorpe accreditation issue is a carryover from the previous year.  Essentially SACS continued the probation for another year.  The timing of the economic downturn was unfortunate for OU and their efforts to get off probation.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2008, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 29, 2008, 09:21:50 PM
The Oglethorpe accreditation issue is a carryover from the previous year.  Essentially SACS continued the probation for another year.  The timing of the economic downturn was unfortunate for OU and their efforts to get off probation.
pbrooks, I have heard that the economic downturn and its effects on financial issues inside the SACS accreditation profile will make the reviewers' jobs harder.

Strong leadership at the Presidential level will help OU.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 29, 2008, 09:34:44 PM
A rough night for the Colonels at home tonight.  An unheralded Piedmont squad came into Alumni Gymn and shot 53% from the field to beat Centre 82-75.  Colonels went cold in the 2nd half (26%) after leading at halftime by 4.  Piedmont knocked down 20-22 free throws in the final twenty minutes to help salt away the victory.  Piedmont won the game in the paint and outrebounded Centre by 6.  The homecourt has not been kind to the Colonels this season as they are now 2-2 at Alumni.  Hopefully this loss will help Centre get fired up to play well against a solid Maryville team tomorrow.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 30, 2008, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2008, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 29, 2008, 09:21:50 PM
The Oglethorpe accreditation issue is a carryover from the previous year.  Essentially SACS continued the probation for another year.  The timing of the economic downturn was unfortunate for OU and their efforts to get off probation.
pbrooks, I have heard that the economic downturn and its effects on financial issues inside the SACS accreditation profile will make the reviewers' jobs harder.

Strong leadership at the Presidential level will help OU.

I tried to find something on the Oglethorpe web addressing the funding/accreditation issue and was unsuccessful.  The only thing I did find was a page listing facility rentals (http://www.oglethorpe.edu/news/facility_rentals/) which I guess could be one way to close the gap.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on December 30, 2008, 11:12:21 AM
Colleges and Universities often try to find outside sources of income through facility rental through out the summer.  I know Trinity gets lucky every summer with two big groups (one being a Mormon church camp and the other being Army reserve) paying to use their dorms and facilities for a few weeks each.

Trinity looks to get back in action tomorrow night against SUNY-IT, who lost to Southwestern last night.

I know I say it often, but scacsid, I really think you guys have developed the most appealing D3 conference website out there!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 30, 2008, 11:25:19 AM
Millsaps will switch over to a new sports website in about a week.  From what I've seen and heard, it's going to be very nice and Millsaps fans are going to really  love the new look and features.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 30, 2008, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 30, 2008, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2008, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 29, 2008, 09:21:50 PM
The Oglethorpe accreditation issue is a carryover from the previous year.  Essentially SACS continued the probation for another year.  The timing of the economic downturn was unfortunate for OU and their efforts to get off probation.
pbrooks, I have heard that the economic downturn and its effects on financial issues inside the SACS accreditation profile will make the reviewers' jobs harder.

Strong leadership at the Presidential level will help OU.

I tried to find something on the Oglethorpe web addressing the funding/accreditation issue and was unsuccessful.  The only thing I did find was a page listing facility rentals (http://www.oglethorpe.edu/news/facility_rentals/) which I guess could be one way to close the gap.   ;)

I searched my inbox for the most recent letter the President of the University had sent out to all students and the few alumni who still check the Oglethorpe E-mail on a regular basis.  Somehow the letter must have been deleted but from what I gathered from it was- The review board noted that Oglethorpe had made great progress over the past 2 years and that the SACS was satisfied with their progress but they wanted to make sure Oglethorpe maintained that level of performance over another years period before they were to award full accreditation.  I don't know all the specifics of our dire financial situation other than it was bad... real bad.  Unfortunately Dr. Schall had to inherit this mess.  Luckily for us at OU I believe that he was the right man for the job and boy did we need him badly.  Pbrooks noted that strong leadership at the Presidential level will help OU... well I believe we have extremely strong leadership at the Presidential level and each year more and more people are buying into Dr. Schall's plan.  I believe he will, in time, lead Oglethorpe out of this hole they are in and in the future will build OU into a stronger University.

Next time I receive any information I'll try to post it on since it seems to be a topic of interest each time it's brought up.


While the idea of Oglethorpe leaving the SCAC to join the GSAC and the likes of Huntigdon, Lagrange etc. would make much more sense economically and geographically it does not make sense for the overall goal of the University.  If we were to move to the GSAC it would be a huge step back rather than a huge step forward.  Being a part of the prestigious SCAC is an honor and definitely an attractive feature that helps attract students.  Right now OU is at the bottom of the conference in nearly every aspect (minus Women's bball and Men's Golf) and seems to drag the conference down.  I have hope that with the new leadership in place at the school we can improve our standing in the SCAC and be an asset rather than a hindrance.  Right now OU needs the SCAC more than the SCAC needs Oglethorpe.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2008, 01:01:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2008, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 29, 2008, 09:21:50 PM
The Oglethorpe accreditation issue is a carryover from the previous year.  Essentially SACS continued the probation for another year.  The timing of the economic downturn was unfortunate for OU and their efforts to get off probation.
pbrooks, I have heard that the economic downturn and its effects on financial issues inside the SACS accreditation profile will make the reviewers' jobs harder.

Strong leadership at the Presidential level will help OU.
I don't want to be mis-construed on a matter as serious as accreditation, so let me re-visit my remarks.

The first remark concerned a conversation with a person who has considerable experience with the SACS process.  Specifically that person's context was concerning the impact on the endowments and "bottom lines" in general across the board that the market downturn has had.

With that background, my second comment was geared towards an understanding that greater wisdom in discerning the leadership that a school's current administration will provide in this environment by SACS and the SACS examiners.

I am confident that the OU board and the whole OU community will be given an ample opportunity to work this process out.  That is an affirmation of the strong leadership that can accomplish the goals at hand.

I do not and have not impugned the integrity of the university with those comments.  If the "SWOT" (Strength/Weakness/Opportunity/Threat) analysis by the board and administration sees the SCAC affiliation as a key "Strength", and the travel budget necessary to stay in the SCAC is justified by that "Strength", then the university will do what it must to stay in the SCAC.


No malice assumed...I just want to be very precise in this posting.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 30, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
Colonels are now ready for the new year and perhaps another road game as they drop their home rematch to Maryville tonight 78-72. Don't have any details yet  on tonight's game but it appears opponents have found a chink in Centre's armor. Last night it was ineffective post play. Tonight,Centre led in the 1st half taking a halftime lead 29-25. I would have taken a 7-3 record 2+ months ago knowing the team had lost Nestheide and Britt. The way they played on the road and were defending in the earlier games gave me cause for optimism. It's disappointing to have 2 losses at home during the holiday tournament where the team normally shines. The silver lining in all of this is these games have no bearing on conference play. Now it's time to hit the road against DePauw.  Then perhaps the Colonels can come back home again and pretend like they're playing in a hostile environment against the SCAC.  Go Road Colonels!   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on December 30, 2008, 11:42:26 PM
Centre won tonight 78-72 against Maryville. The D3hoops score was reversed; the boxscore is correct. First half was ugly with both teams playing poorly. Senior Kris Bentley had a career high bushel of 3's in the second half to pull Centre ahead, 22 pts overall. Pre-season All-American Danny Noll was his consistent contributor with 23 pts. Centre has a tough game on Sunday at DePauw. Happy New Year to all, and to all a Good Night!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 31, 2008, 03:15:49 PM
Old Student Athlete, thanks for straightening out this Centre fan!  It helps when we have posters who attend the games. A lesson learned from a quick-trigger poster.  Certainly glad I was wrong on this one!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 01, 2009, 06:56:30 AM
I know that some of the teams have already gotten back into action since Christmas, but things really start tomorrow night with a big weekend of SCAC Conference games.  This is the schedule as shown at http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/index and they don't show any links for audio, video, or live stats other than what is indicated below:

1/2/09--Men's Basketball

Oglethorpe @ Rhodes 6:00 PM
Millsaps @ Trinity (Tex.) 7:00 PM
Sewanee @ Birmingham-Southern 7:00 PM (Live stats)
Hendrix @ Southwestern (Tex.) 7:00 PM

1/3/09--Men's Basketball
Colorado Col. @ Austin 1:00 PM
Hendrix @ Trinity (Tex.) 7:00 PM

1/4/09--Men's Basketball
Centre @ DePauw 1:00 PM (Live stats Audio)
Oglethorpe @ Birmingham-Southern 2:00 PM (Live stats)
Sewanee @ Rhodes 2:00 PM
Millsaps @ Southwestern (Tex.) 2:00 PM
Austin @ Dallas 4:00 PM

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 01, 2009, 12:36:36 PM
Trinity held off SUNY-IT last night with a 95-85 win.  It was a very unconventional, fast paced game for the Tigers.  Moon responded to making last week's Co-SCAC player of the week by stepping up and having his best game of the season with 28 pts, shooting 6-8 from the 3 pt. line.  Trinity really set the tone in the first half by shooting 54% (including 8-13 for 3) in the first half.  It was a typical story of a hot shooting team coming out a little cold in the second half.  SUNY-IT bothered Trinity with a 3/4 court press and all of a sudden it was within 8 or 9.  Trinity really showed some poise by keeping their heads on and not getting flustered. 

I am very excited to see this team head into the remainder of conference play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2009, 12:55:11 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on January 01, 2009, 12:36:36 PM
Trinity held off SUNY-IT last night with a 95-85 win.  It was a very unconventional, fast paced game for the Tigers.  Moon responded to making last week's Co-SCAC player of the week by stepping up and having his best game of the season with 28 pts, shooting 6-8 from the 3 pt. line.  Trinity really set the tone in the first half by shooting 54% (including 8-13 for 3) in the first half.  It was a typical story of a hot shooting team coming out a little cold in the second half.  SUNY-IT bothered Trinity with a 3/4 court press and all of a sudden it was within 8 or 9.  Trinity really showed some poise by keeping their heads on and not getting flustered. 

I am very excited to see this team head into the remainder of conference play. 
There is the key to beating Trinity.  SUNY-IT is not that good.

An ASC team will probably try that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 01, 2009, 03:32:43 PM
That is a good point.  I think it's because not too many SCAC teams put a lot of pressure in the back court, so they probably don't practice against a press very often.  A couple of teams have tried to put in a press against Trinity this season, but SUNY IT was really the first to create some problems with it.  I would like to think that it had something to do with Trinity just coming back from their Holiday break, but backcourt pressure has always seemed to be a point of emphasis on opponent's scouting reports.

It appears that Mary Hardin Baylor stepped up in a big game.  If UMHB plays well in the ASC, the win early this season may be a big one for Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 03:27:59 PM
I've looked on the SCAC and the Trinity websites and I can't find any links to audio, video or live stats for the Millsaps-Trinity game this evening.  Do any of our Trinity folks know of anything that might be available for tonight's game? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 03:27:59 PM
I've looked on the SCAC and the Trinity websites and I can't find any links to audio, video or live stats for the Millsaps-Trinity game this evening.  Do any of our Trinity folks know of anything that might be available for tonight's game? 
The front page right side rail has the links to the Trinity-Millsaps games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 05:33:43 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 03:27:59 PM
I've looked on the SCAC and the Trinity websites and I can't find any links to audio, video or live stats for the Millsaps-Trinity game this evening.  Do any of our Trinity folks know of anything that might be available for tonight's game? 

I found another possible link for you Frank - this may be the same one Ralph gave you -
http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/SportsInfo/Sp_Info.htm


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 06:16:42 PM
Thanks.  When I looked earlier the top story was the one posted Dec. 31.  I'm not sure that I would have looked back at the Trinity site for the story they posted this afternoon with the links.  (at least that's my story and I'm sticking with it)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 06:40:47 PM
Good to be in the league portion of the season now. Rhodes is hosting Oglethorpe in a few minutes - I look for a competitive game. If Smith and Ollie are on their games, the Lynx can win this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 07:15:47 PM
OU up 18-8 with 11:30 to go in the half. Jared Hoskins is suited up and on the Rhodes bench tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
OU running away with the game at Rhodes, up 49-25 with a few ticks left in 1st half.

Moon hit Trinity's only successful 3-pointer of the first half with 2 seconds to go to give TU a 26-23 lead over Millsaps at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 07:37:55 PM
Rhodes' out-of-conference scheduling is showing up tonight - OU is up 49-25 at the half. OU has had their way from the perimeter with about 10 made 3s. Rhodes is struggling with the press at the 1/2 court and seems listless on the offensive end. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 07:39:16 PM
Sewanee and BSC are tied at 24 at the half.

Hendrix over Southwestern 38-26 with 3:11 to go in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 08:00:54 PM
Trinity has taken control of the game with Millsaps.  Earlier in the season Millsaps played really well against NAIA Belhaven, a game that was about 39-all midway through the second half.  Millsaps went into a shooting slump, Belhaven scored 15 straight points, and that was the ballgame.

Tonight, Trinity scored the last 5 in the first half and the first 9 in the second, a 14-point run in a game that is now 41-28.  There's still over 17 minutes to go in the game so there's time for a comeback, but it's this big runs by the opponents that Millsaps has to find a way to avoid.

Opps, my mistake.  The play-by-play goes back to the top when it refreshes.  There's now 10:35 to play and Trinity leads 45-36.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 08:04:13 PM
I wondered when Trinity would take control of the game.


Well it was 43-28 when I looked previously.  Songy, (the scourge of UMHB), has just made it 45-42, Trinity.



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 08:11:18 PM
A new game - OU up 10 with 8:40 to play. Oglethorpe not as sharp on the perimeter in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 08:28:25 PM
Final -- TU 55, Millsaps 50

Millsaps came back in the second half to push TU.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 08:32:24 PM
OU up 80-74 with 37.5 ticks to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 08:39:00 PM
OU wins 85-78. Weldon had 21; Kennedy 18 for the winners.  Ollie had 18 for Rhodes with Jared Hoskins pitching in 13 off the bench. Rhodes made a good run in attempting to overcome a 24 halftime deficit.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 08:52:57 PM
Looking at the team records, considering the fact that Millsaps was the road team, and that Millsaps hadn't played in 2 weeks while Trinity has already gotten back into the swing of things--I doubt that many people were expecting this to be a close game.  I know that a loss is a loss, but this loss might have been a sign of things getting better for Millsaps as individuals get more experience and as the team as a whole gets more experience.  If a few more players start finding the range on the offensive end, Millsaps still has a chance to be a factor at the SCAC Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 08:54:52 PM
Hendrix 81 Southwestern 76  Final
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 08:59:45 PM
I would concur with Frank on the performance of the Majors in the Texas tonight. That's not an easy place to play and to give Trinity a 5-point game speaks well for the way they competed.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 09:02:31 PM
Hendrix got a nice victory tonight. Were Foley and King big contributors tonight?  This team may be the sleeper in the west ready to slay some other good SCAC opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 09:02:31 PM
Hendrix got a nice victory tonight. Were Foley and King big contributors tonight?  This team may be the sleeper in the west ready to slay some other good SCAC opponents.
HC -- Rose 20; Foley and King 12 each.

http://southwesternpirates.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbaskbl.html?event=675859&school=swtx&sport=mbaskbl&camefrom=&startschool=&
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2009, 11:12:07 PM
Rhodes played a solid final 20 minutes of basketball tonight. They unfortunately spiraled out of control for about the last 15 minutes of the opening half. They have the personnel to win some games in this league. Two things that are disconcerting about Rhodes is their passing and their defense. For some reason they have a challenge maintaining defensive intensity beyond 15-20 seconds. This is similiar to what I noted last season. Rhodes will be better when Reid Hamilton returns and Jared Hoskins gets a few games under his belt.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 03, 2009, 01:11:21 PM
The Trinity game last night against Millsaps was one of those games where Millsaps sat in a 1-3-1 zone and Trinity looked a little flat (shot under 40%).  Trinity got up by around 15 in the second half and stayed at about 10 points ahead for the rest of the game.  Millsaps made a couple of shots (including a 3 at the buzzer) to make the score seem closer than the game really was.  Give it to Millsaps though; they play that 1-3-1 as well as it can be played.  They are definitely the type of team that can bother teams by hanging around and giving themselves a chance to make late runs to win games.  Also, Coach Wise has always seemed to know how to play Trinity.  He's a good coach, that's why they made the Elite 8 last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 03, 2009, 05:44:40 PM
It looks like Austin got a solid game from Sturtevant with 18 pts. and 6 rbs. in a win over Colorado College today.  I'm really looking forward to Trinity/Hendrix tonight.  10-1 vs. 8-2 for the lead in the West Division.  Granted it's early, but still fun to get excited about.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 03, 2009, 09:19:39 PM
Trinity wins a "chippy" basketball game today in San Antonio against Hendrix, 69-53.  Luke Caldarera had another monster game with 27 points and 10 rebounds.  He was really the difference in tonight's game (19 and 8 in the first half).  After 4 conference games, he is averaging just under 20 points and right above 10 rebounds per game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 04, 2009, 01:03:26 PM
I don't believe the SCAC website is showing this link, but the Millsaps-Southwestern games should have a gametracker during the game.  You see the link on this Southwestern page:

http://southwesternpirates.cstv.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 02:29:36 PM
Listening to WGRE!

I always enjoy listening to your broadcasts of DePauw games!

Thank you!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 02:48:01 PM
DPU 78, Centre 74.  Moore with 30 pts (including 10-11 on FT's) for the Tigers.




I like the WGRE "commerical" about backup kickers becoming heroes.

I wonder if Jordan Havercamp has that audio clip of his kick to win the Monon Bell as a "ringtone"?   ;)   :D

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2009, 02:58:34 PM
Rhodes led Sewanee at half 35-34. The tigers are up by 4 early in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2009, 03:07:15 PM
Sewanee up 46-42 with 13:30 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2009, 03:20:34 PM
Sewanee up 58-49 with 7:25 to play. Pursell has 14 with some significant rebounds. Rhodes has gone cold from the perimeter.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2009, 03:29:54 PM
Sewanee by 10 with 3:37 on the clock - 66-56.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2009, 03:42:24 PM
Looks like Sewanee is going to pull out a nice road win. Rhodes pretty much handed this one to the Tigers. They shot poorly in the 2nd half and Pursell killed them on the boards. 70-61 with 1:02 to play with 5ewanee shooting free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Sewanee wins 75-64. A bad game for Rhodes. Tigers will gain some confidence from this win. This will set them up to win a few games on the mountain before the season ends. Rhodes lost Corey Smith to fouls in the final 3 minutes. While he was doubled most of the game, he was the Lynx only scoring threat this afternoon. He had one monster offensive move in the 2nd half.  Starting in the left corner he came across the lane and skied to the basket from 8 feet away with a one-handed slam on his right hand over his defender. It truly was the only Rhodes highlight today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2009, 06:23:19 PM
Noted that the Colonels took it on the chin at DePauw today. Seemed like a typical nip & tuck 2nd half between these two rivals based on the Live Stats I was following. Would be curious to get someone's take on the game who was actually there or listened on the web like Ralph. The Eastern side of this league may end up being extremely competitive. Not sure that the West will be quite as balanced. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 06:33:48 PM
I checked in with about 5 minutes left.  DePauw just pulled away at the end.

It is tough to win on the road in D3...too much parity.  I suspect that Centre wins the rematch. :)

Honestly, I think that there may be 6-10 premier programs in D3 in a given year and then the next 50 teams settle out as to who is hot on that night!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 04, 2009, 07:49:15 PM
AC beat Dallas today 62-57.  They were up big in the first half before Dallas came back to make it a game.  Alade had 18, Sturtevant had 12 and 8 for the 'Roos, who have won four in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 05, 2009, 11:48:06 AM
The DePauw/ Centere match up was a game of runs.Centere jumped out on top quickly,but Depauw recovered and took a nice lead.Centere was up for another good run and took the lead late in the second half.Free throws and timely 3pointers finished off Centere.Good scrappy play was the hallmark of this matchup.Mike Moore was hot with 30 pts and Tom Callen 20.Post play has improved alot for Depauw as well.THe rematch at Centere should be interesting.Centere took both last year from a strong Depauw team so who knows?? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 05, 2009, 12:57:44 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on January 03, 2009, 09:19:39 PM
Trinity wins a "chippy" basketball game today in San Antonio against Hendrix, 69-53.  Luke Caldarera had another monster game with 27 points and 10 rebounds.  He was really the difference in tonight's game (19 and 8 in the first half).  After 4 conference games, he is averaging just under 20 points and right above 10 rebounds per game. 

Curious as to what you mean by "chippy"? 
The box score shows that Trinity outscored Hendrix 12-0 to end the game.  The Warriors have had a tough road trip - gone 9 days to Daytona, Orlando, Georgetown, and San Antonio.  I expect the guys ran out of gas at the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 05, 2009, 02:39:45 PM
Quote from: brave heart on January 05, 2009, 11:48:06 AM
The DePauw/ Centere match up was a game of runs.Centere jumped out on top quickly,but Depauw recovered and took a nice lead.Centere was up for another good run and took the lead late in the second half.Free throws and timely 3pointers finished off Centere.Good scrappy play was the hallmark of this matchup.Mike Moore was hot with 30 pts and Tom Callen 20.Post play has improved alot for Depauw as well.THe rematch at Centere should be interesting.Centere took both last year from a strong Depauw team so who knows?? ;D

Appreciate yours and Ralph's insights on the game at DePauw.  I am looking forward to seeing how some of the games go when the East & West sides of the SCAC begin matching up against one another.  At this juncture, there seems to be more parity in the East.  But I am thinking Pat Cunningham may have the best team at this stage.  When Caldarera, Moon and Houston all come at you strong, they are very good.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 05, 2009, 04:14:31 PM
Well hendrixfan, when I say "chippy" it's solely based on what I saw from the stands.  A lot of ticky tack fouls and complaining to the refs that fouls weren't being called.  There were a few blatant moving screens from Hendrix once or twice.  I could definitely see if Hendrix was "out of gas" from a long week of traveling.  Hendrix/Trinity has always been a very emotional match up.  Definitely not a lot of love between these two top West division teams over the years - which is funny because the next time these two teams meet is in Conway on Valentine's day.

Hendrix played very well in the first half with Houston playing very few minutes with 2 quick fouls.  Caldarera carried the team to a couple point lead going into the half. 

I expect the next meeting to be a great game.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2009, 04:34:42 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 06:16:42 PM
Thanks.  When I looked earlier the top story was the one posted Dec. 31. 

For future reference, it doesn't matter when the top story was last updated. The live scoreboard updates automatically every morning with the next day's games. Right now, for example:

Today's live games

Mon, Jan 5 men's games
Click team for schedule
LS=live stats V=Video A=Audio

etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 05, 2009, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on January 05, 2009, 04:14:31 PM
Well hendrixfan, when I say "chippy" it's solely based on what I saw from the stands.  A lot of ticky tack fouls and complaining to the refs that fouls weren't being called.  There were a few blatant moving screens from Hendrix once or twice.  I could definitely see if Hendrix was "out of gas" from a long week of traveling.  Hendrix/Trinity has always been a very emotional match up.  Definitely not a lot of love between these two top West division teams over the years - which is funny because the next time these two teams meet is in Conway on Valentine's day.

Hendrix played very well in the first half with Houston playing very few minutes with 2 quick fouls.  Caldarera carried the team to a couple point lead going into the half. 

I expect the next meeting to be a great game.



I see what you mean.  Hard to get much of a flow in those "chippy" games! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 06, 2009, 11:48:30 AM
Pbrooks I am hopeful that DePauw is a deeper team than Trinity.If Moon and Houston can be held to under 30% shooting and Calderera isnt 10 for 13 shooting and 10 rebounds like the CC game then I like our chances :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 06, 2009, 01:47:38 PM
That's quite the statement, brave heart.  I think it is quite the stretch to say that Trinity isn't a really deep team.  I feel that their big men, Lewis and Polidoroff, are two very underrated posts.  Also, you always have to worry about their deep 3 threats in Robinson and Lutz.  If I recall, last season Robinson had a couple of SCAC weekends where he absolutely killed teams. 

I would actually like to think that Trinity is the deepest team in the SCAC this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 06, 2009, 01:55:40 PM
From SCACSports.com (http://www.scacsports.com):

TAMPA, Fla. - Mike Moore had a game-high nine assists in DePauw's 76-56 victory over Drew in Monday's opening round of the Tampa Shootout. The nine assists give the senior 501 for his career, making him the league's all-time leader in the category.

Moore just missed a triple-double with 10 points, nine rebounds and nine assists.

Albert Johnson of Rhodes College (1992/93-1995/96) held the former SCAC career assists mark with 499.


Congrats to Moore, not only for setting the SCAC assist record, but for a fine overall game!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 06, 2009, 01:57:22 PM
Besides, that (Moon and Houston being held to under 30% FG) has happened once this season (vs. Austin) and Trinity came up with the victory.  Granted, Caldarera had a 15 and 15 game, but only shooting like 5-12.  

Basically you are saying that if you hold Trinity's two top seniors (and each two time All-SCAC performers) to their collective worst game of the year AND contain their best player to a mediocre game, then you will win?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 06, 2009, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2009, 04:34:42 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 06:16:42 PM
Thanks.  When I looked earlier the top story was the one posted Dec. 31. 

For future reference, it doesn't matter when the top story was last updated. The live scoreboard updates automatically every morning with the next day's games. Right now, for example:

Today's live games

Mon, Jan 5 men's games
Click team for schedule
LS=live stats V=Video A=Audio

etc.

Point noted.  I should learn to go to the D3Hoops site for the info instead of going to the school's homepage and seeing if they have their website uptodate.  I'll remember that in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 06, 2009, 03:50:15 PM
Congrats to Mike Moore on his assist record. He takes over for one of Rhodes College's fine players in the 90's - Albert Johnson. I had the pleasure watching Albert grow up in Memphis and compete hard on the basketball court for a number of years. He has returned to Memphis from his days in Europe playing pro basketball and is doing well. Johnson represents good company for Moore to join on the SCAC Assist leaderboard.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 06, 2009, 04:09:42 PM
Walter17 and Brave Heart, good to have some friendly sparring over team depth. You may both be right about your chosen teams. What I like best about Trinity is the fact they are a veteran team (taking nothing aside from Mike Moore who is a key leader and veteran). I just like the various pieces Trinity has.  I further like the way they defend.  Throw in a great coach in Cunningham and Trinity to me seems like the team to beat. Granted 3 SCAC games do not make a season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2009, 04:45:14 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 06, 2009, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2009, 04:34:42 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 02, 2009, 06:16:42 PM
Thanks.  When I looked earlier the top story was the one posted Dec. 31. 

For future reference, it doesn't matter when the top story was last updated. The live scoreboard updates automatically every morning with the next day's games. Right now, for example:

Today's live games

Mon, Jan 5 men's games
Click team for schedule
LS=live stats V=Video A=Audio

etc.

Point noted.  I should learn to go to the D3Hoops site for the info instead of going to the school's homepage and seeing if they have their website uptodate.  I'll remember that in the future.

Not saying ours is comprehensive either, since it's up to the schools and conferences to post items, but it's a resource worth checking as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 06, 2009, 05:43:46 PM
I agree pbrooks.  Trinity could easily implode and be mediocre for the rest of the season.  That's the joy of conference basketball.  You have to play each week.  I do believe Mike Moore is the most proven player in the conference right now.  If Caldarera continues to play this way for Trinity, he is definitely a major candidate for the conference's top player.  I don't know the last time someone averaged 15 points per game for a Pat Cunningham coached team!  Maybe Quinton Mason back in 99-00 when he won POY?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on January 06, 2009, 10:24:30 PM
Hendrix over Dallas 82-70 tonight.  The Warriors were without top scorer Andrew King and got a big game from freshman post Nick Heathscott - 16 pts and 5 rebs. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 07, 2009, 07:40:46 AM
Do we know why King didn't play and will he be back for this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 07, 2009, 10:00:07 AM
Walter17... My hope is that Depauw is a deeper team. To soon in the season to see how our and your 7-8-9 players will perform.I did not intend to make a statement that downgraded your fine Seniors or team.Yes, I hope your trio has its worse game of the season vs Depauw.Do you blame me?if we can pull off a defensive effort that I suggest,yes I think Depauw will prevail in the matchup. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 07, 2009, 01:13:55 PM
So I see 11-1 Trinity is the sole SCAC rep in the top 25 at #16, up nicely from the previous poll's #21.  Still not convinced that record's not due more to a favorable schedule (of their 12 games, 8 are at home with 2 of the others at neutral site Southwestern) than the team's play.  Guess we will see more beginning this weekend as the SA Tigers head out for games at Southwestern (8-4, 1-3 SCAC) and then the tough second half weekend travel to BSC (7-4, 3-1 against SCAC competition).    BSC is hard to figure with losses to a Rhodes team that's 0-2 in conference and 3-9 Otterbein, but a good win over Oglethorpe (9-3, 2-1) earlier this week.   

I plan to be there Friday to watch both the men and women play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on January 08, 2009, 01:13:07 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 07, 2009, 07:40:46 AM
Do we know why King didn't play and will he be back for this weekend?


He has had trouble with an ankle sprain he suffered just before the Christmas break.  My guess is that Coach Priest did not want to chance slowing down the healing process against non-conference opponent Dallas.  I think King will try and play this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 08, 2009, 09:17:31 AM
Hope the ankle injury doesn't slow King too much the remainder of his senior season. He's been a consistent performer who has shown improvement year after year in his four seasons at Hendrix.  Have not seen him play yet this year - will look forward to watching him play very soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 08, 2009, 10:04:19 AM
The latest SCAC podcast is available at:

http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/ (http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/)

This week's edition includes recaps of games that were played over the holiday break in addition to interviews with Oglethorpe women's head coach Ron Sattele, senior post Krista Prato Matthews of Trinity, senior guard Mike Moore of DePauw and Trinity men's head coach Pat Cunningham.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 08, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
What are some of the interesting matchups for this weekend in the SCAC?  I know Trinity and Southwestern is always a great game.  It might not be as wild as previous years due to the fact that students won't be back on Southwestern's campus yet, but I still expect a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 08, 2009, 04:09:16 PM
Hi Walter17
I think BSU and Depauw as well as Rhoads/ Depauw should be good.I will either be elated or very quite next week ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 08, 2009, 06:35:36 PM
I too think the match-ups among Rhodes, DPU, Centre and BSU this weekend all have the possibility of being challenging games.  Rhodes had an unimpressive past weekend at home after playing one good half of basketball against Oglethorpe and coming away 0-2 for the weekend.  I think they're going to be ready Friday night at Centre.  BSU seems to be a bit of a Heckle & Jeckle team, but it looks like on any given night they can play if everyone is healthy.

The Austin Millsaps game should be worth viewing as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 08, 2009, 06:35:36 PM
... a bit of Heckle & Jeckle team, but it looks like on any given night they can play if everyone is healthy. ...

Heckle and Jeckle? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckle_and_Jeckle)

That is a blast from the past!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 09, 2009, 12:28:11 PM
I'm curious to see the result of tonight's AC/Millsaps game.  I know Millsaps is having a tough year record-wise, but looking at some of their scores (to Trinity and Southwestern in particular) it looks like they could still be a threat to knock anyone off on a given night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 09, 2009, 12:42:53 PM
I was interested in that game too, jekelish.  Millsaps plays a nagging 1-3-1 that keeps them close if their opponents are having a mediocre shooting night.  I could definitely see the Majors playing the "spoiler" role if they make the SCAC tournament in the same way that Rhodes did against Trinity in the 2006 Tournament (I believe it was a #8 seed upset of #1, correct?).

It will be a dogfight between Colorado College, Southwestern and Millsaps on who will get that #4 seed from the West Division.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2009, 08:06:50 PM
Southwestern 36, Trinity 30 at the half.

I cannot find Livestats for Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 09, 2009, 09:14:24 PM
Trinity pulled out a squeaker - 75-73.  Didn't get to follow the game, but the Live Stats were on the Southwestern Athletic Department website.  Didn't see a link at the SCAC.  I love Southwestern's live stats - it is one of the best I've seen.

Watched Millsaps lose a tough one on the video capture tonight by 2 to Austin after making up a 15-point halftime deficit.  I didn't track things carefully, but the scoring seemed to come to a grinding halt with about 5 minutes left in the game.  Millsaps got up by at least a point several times and I thought they were about to take control, but everytime they got the lead, Austin took it away.  A couple of good road wins for western division teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 09, 2009, 09:18:35 PM
My beloved Colonels had a easy time of it tonight against Rhodes winning 87-50.  Rhodes shot 33%, and Centre played its bench with 11 players getting in the scoring column.  Several of the freshmen made big contributions, including James Melloan with 10.  Kris Bentley continued his hot hand with 15 points, all on threes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 10, 2009, 12:38:50 AM
I was at the SW-Trinity tilt.  Southwestern came out bombing from beyond the arc and had the lead the entire first half.  Trinity was having problems getting around the screens and the SW players had some decent space.  SW ended up 11-18 on the night from three point land.  Trinity turned up the defense and went on a nice run; Southwestern started missing free throws (I think they shot better from downtown than from the stripe) and Trinity started getting back into it.  Trinity didn't get its first lead until halfway through the second and it was back and forth from there.  Their biggest lead of the night was five just before the buzzer when TU gave SW an uncontested three.   Trinity also played tighter coverage on the three point shooters in the second half.  Once again the Tigers show up as a second half team, outscoring the Pirates by 9 in the second to secure the win.

Calderera led the Tigers with 22.

Some of the SW faithful were wearing shirts that said "Buc U Trinity".  I can't decide if it was clever or silly.  Funny thing it was mostly older women wearing them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2009, 09:01:51 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 10, 2009, 12:38:50 AM
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Some of the SW faithful were wearing shirts that said "Buc U Trinity".  I can't decide if it was clever or silly.  Funny thing it was mostly older women wearing them. 
In my grandfather's 1924 annual from Southwestern, there are numerous uses of Buccaneers instead of Pirates in the "Sports" section.  Maybe those fans date their Southwestern heritage from that era.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 10, 2009, 08:24:22 PM
I've been rotating between several photo projects today and finally decided to take a break to add a post regarding the Millsaps and Austin game.  Regarding Austin, while I don't get a great overall look at a game when taking photos, I thought Austin looked like a very dangerous team.  They have a lot of size, they have good depth, and Friday night they won the game wtih lights out shooting from behind the arc (9 of 18). 

Regarding Millsaps, I discovered a team that is going to give you everything they've got and I was impressed at how they worked their way back from 15 down at the half into a couple of leads late in the game.  The last second loss to Austin comes on the heels of a last second lost to Southwestern.  The other two games weren't as close, but Millsaps was within 3 of Trinity with less than 9 minutes to play and in the 12 point loss to Hendrix the Millsaps team was an ice cold 3 of 24 on 3-point attempts.  While the bottom line is an 0-4 SCAC record, it is impressive that Millsaps is playing so competitively with so little experience returning.

They only have 5 on the roster who return from last year--Chris Sanders (29.4 mpg, 31 starts), Chad Songy (24.4 mpg, 22 starts), Blake Martinez (13.1 mpg, no starts), Cameron Varnado (12.2 mpg, no starts), and Russell Booth (8.4 mpg, 1 start).  The only other upperclassman on the roster is Chris Ingle who redshirted with an injury last year.  You have starters without a lot of experiences backed up by freshmen, but you also have a team that seems willing to fight you for 40 minutes regardless of the situation.  It's a team that's going to continue to get better as the season progresses and I hope a few breaks will go their way and they'll get one of the 8 spots at the SCAC Tournament.  It would be a nice reward for a bunch of guys who seem to giving their all night after night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 10, 2009, 10:24:07 PM
In an earlier post I incorrectly said Trinity would travel to Birmingham-Southern for a game tomorrow.  That game actually happens this Friday, followed by a game at Sewanee a week from tomorrow. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 11, 2009, 12:10:03 PM
Any outlook on today's big game between Hendrix and AC?  Should be a good one...AC brings a 5 game win streak, an 8-4 record overall and a 3-1 mark in SCAC play into Conway to try to overtake the Warriors in the standings.  One thing of note is that 3 of AC's 4 losses have come against ranked teams (twice to UT-Dallas, once to Trinity) and two of those losses (second loss to UTD, and then Trinity) were tight games until about 5 minutes left.

I know squat about Hendrix other than they're 10-3 and have been beating a lot of the same teams as the 'Roos.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 11, 2009, 04:16:39 PM
There were some interesting games it looked like today.  Hendrix won by 5 against Austin.  DePauw absolutely abused Rhodes.  Centre won by 10 against BSC and Millsaps got their first conference win against Colorado.  Anyone catch any of these games?  I'd love to hear how they went down.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 11, 2009, 04:56:16 PM
The Colorado at Millsaps game was tied at 29 after a half and Colorado scored the first 4 points to go up 33-29 early in the second.  From there, Millsaps outscored CC by 20 to win 78-62.  Just as an interesting sidenote, the Millsaps women led over Colorado by 19 in the second half and then lost in overtime.  It makes the point that a team had better be ready to play the entire 40 minutes because a game can slip out of control in a hurry.

I'll post the box score link below.  One thing that stands out is greatly improved shooting by Millsaps with 12 of 22 on 3's, 18 of 21 on free throws, and 24 of 47 overall.  It will be nice if that kind of shooting carries over to Tuesday's game with Dallas--I believe the skills to shoot well are there but it has taken time for players to get acclimated to new roles this season.  Freshmen Ben Cooper and John Love chipped in a combined 13 points which was nice to see.  They were the only freshmen who played double-digit minutes but at one point in the first half Millsaps was playing with an all freshman team.

Here's the link to the boxscore:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm08-13.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 12, 2009, 08:55:36 AM
Centre is at that juncture of the season where they must focus carefully not to allow a letdown. The schedule is favorable because they opened the SCAC part of the season with 3 road games going 2-1. They only have 2 more road trips the remainder of the season doing Millsaps/Hendrix one weekend and Rhodes/BSU another. Everything else happens at home with the Austin/Colorado College matchups this coming weekend.  Austin will be a tough opponent for the Colonels just like Trinity will be later in the season. DPU and OU will be tough home games as well. The old motto of "taking them one game at a time" must be the order of the day, or they will be in for a surprise. You cannot take a night off in the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 12, 2009, 01:03:11 PM
A really nice weekend for DPU. This team is getting better each week.Moore is stepping it up and the post is more consistent. They must also watch out for a let down.One more weekend at home and then on the road. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 12, 2009, 01:41:08 PM
I agree.  DPU statistically looks to be the hottest team in the conference right now.  Trinity has been good, but most of their recent games are close.  This road weekend will be a great test (especially at Birmingham Southern) for the Tigers. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 13, 2009, 11:42:59 AM
After several teams above them lost last week, Trinity makes a big move in the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/) all the way to 10th.  Centre is receiving votes, "32nd". 

We'll see what TU can do on the road.  They have got to start getting off to better starts than what I've seen in several games so far. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 13, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
I couldn't agree more.  I'm not sure if this Trinity team is a top 10 team, with only one or two real obstacles so far on the schedule.  I believe their real test will be Jan. 30 and 31 AT DePauw and Centre, respectively.  Obviously, this weekend's road games should be solid tests for them, but Trinity has never had too much success playing at DePauw, so that game will really show the team's true colors. 

We don't really have any Birmingham Southern fans on here.  What is the word on them?  Who is good for them?  What style of play do they play?  I'll probably be following along the livestats, but I just wanted to know what to expect for my Tigers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 13, 2009, 10:57:20 PM
Millsaps beat Dallas this evening 73-60 in a game that was almost painful to watch in the first half.  After 9 minutes Millsaps led 10-4.  After 14 minutes it was knotted up at 12, and the first half ended with Dallas up 24-21.  It was simply a flat game for the first 20 minutes even though I have no doubt that the players were playing hard.  The lady's game was the exact same way.

The second half was a different story as Millsaps went from the 29% first half shooting to 68% in the second half, scoring 52 of their 73 points after the break.  Blake Martinez was the leading scorer with a career high 24 points, and he was followed by Chad Songy, Chris Sanders, and Chris Ingle with 13, 11, and 10 points respectively.  Here's the box score link:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm08-14.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 14, 2009, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on January 13, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
I couldn't agree more.  I'm not sure if this Trinity team is a top 10 team, with only one or two real obstacles so far on the schedule.  I believe their real test will be Jan. 30 and 31 AT DePauw and Centre, respectively.  Obviously, this weekend's road games should be solid tests for them, but Trinity has never had too much success playing at DePauw, so that game will really show the team's true colors. 

We don't really have any Birmingham Southern fans on here.  What is the word on them?  Who is good for them?  What style of play do they play?  I'll probably be following along the livestats, but I just wanted to know what to expect for my Tigers.
Don't have much of a line on B-S.  I was told one of their better players had been injuried.  Centre handled them without too much difficulty, but they have beaten some teams at home, including Oglethorpe 2 weekends ago, and have wins over Sewanee and Emory.  All but one of their 7 wins have been at home.  Statistically they're the best shooting team in the SCAC (48%).  I expect Trinity will win by 5 this weekend against BS.  They'll probably make it very ugly for Rhodes - maybe 12-15 points.  But you can't let your guard down anywhere along the SCAC road.  Perhaps once Birmingham Southern truly begins competing in the SCAC then we can expect some of their fans posting on this site!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 15, 2009, 09:27:56 AM
I'm sad I won't be able to make the game there, because I would love to see Friday's game between TU and BSC.  I have heard that their facilities are very nice and that once they begin playing real SCAC games, they have the potential to build a great program.  Does anyone plan on being at either Trinity game this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 15, 2009, 01:58:11 PM
The BSU facility is nice.I have only been to Trinity and BSU one time,but it seems the two facilities resembled each other.BSu is one maybe two years at most from being if not a force,a leader in the SCAC.They are loaded with talented Freshman and Sophmores and they are getting alot of playing time.The sophmores have the experience of Juniors due to their PT last season.They make mistakes of a young team and lack patients but they play hard and shoot well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 15, 2009, 05:51:11 PM
Remember, until two years ago BSC was Division I.  That means Division I facilities.  That combined with the school's location and academics should result in the school becoming a dominant player in the SCAC in a couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 15, 2009, 07:00:58 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on January 15, 2009, 09:27:56 AM
I'm sad I won't be able to make the game there, because I would love to see Friday's game between TU and BSC.  I have heard that their facilities are very nice and that once they begin playing real SCAC games, they have the potential to build a great program.  Does anyone plan on being at either Trinity game this weekend?
Walter17, I hope to take in the game Sunday at Mallory Gym between Rhodes and TU.  If I make it to that one, I'll post from time to time.  Rhodes doesn't do video or live stats on the web.  If I'm not mistaken, you can get live stats on the BSU website Friday night or through the link on www.scacsports.com.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2009, 06:02:54 PM
BSC-TU live stats will be here (http://livestats.internetconsult.com/bsc/mbball/).  No audio, unfortunately.   The game starts at 6PM CT.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 16, 2009, 07:15:26 PM
Millsaps got off to a nice 10-5 lead at Sewanee with each starter getting a bucket.  While this game isn't on the radar of many in the SCAC, it is certainly important to both of these teams if they want to get into the SCAC Tournament.  Millsaps needs at least a split on this road trip and most would think that the more winnable game is tonight.

Millsaps now leads 11-10 after about 5 minutes.  It's a little hard to follow a game with live stats while editing photos so I'll have to just check in every 10-15 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2009, 07:30:56 PM
Depauw up 66-53 over Austin w/2:30 left.

The BSC live stats froze at 6-6.   >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 16, 2009, 07:39:32 PM
Millsaps up 31-22 at the half.  Link to live stats where you can see the leading scorers, etc:

http://www.sewanee.edu/athletics/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2009, 07:41:40 PM
DPU wins, 73-59.  Mike Moore had 15, Tom Callen had 14 and 11 for the Tigers, Kola Alade had 21 for the 'Roos.

Oglethorpe 80, Hendrix 77.   Todd Ward had a nice game for the Stormy Petrels with a team-high 21 points and 9 boards, and added 4 assists and a couple of blocks.   Hendrix' David Foley led all scorers with 23. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 16, 2009, 07:45:37 PM
Southwestern leads Rhodes 37-34 at the half. Kind of a ho-hum game with neither team taking control. Lots of turnovers and some ragged play for sure. I've decided ragged describes Rhodes pretty well most night. Guard, Andyshea Saberioon has keyed Rhodes with 11 on a few nice drives to the hoop. He's been playing consistently well for the past 2 weeks and started tonight's game. He wants to lead the Lynx.  Pirates have canned a number of threes - mostly coming from Barber & Caputo (not Neil on FOX). Either team could win - toss a coin!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2009, 07:48:12 PM
Thanks for the update, pbrooks.  SW seems to live and die by the three ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 16, 2009, 07:58:51 PM
Hit the Centre website - Colonels win 66-51. Noll scored 19 with 5-6 on 3-balls. The East stays log-jammed at the top.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 16, 2009, 08:36:14 PM
Tight game down the stretch at Mallory. SU leads 78-76 with 23.1 to play. Rhodes ball out in the front-court.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 16, 2009, 08:41:42 PM
Ollie makes 2 free throws to tie it. Then Cox scores in the lane with 3.9 ticks to make it 80-78. 0.9 to play in Rhodes' frontcourt.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2009, 08:47:08 PM
Once again Trinity plays a strong second half, defeating Birmingham-Southern 65-56 after leading by three at the half.  Patrick Robinson had 21 points to pace the victors; Aaron Paar had 14 for BSC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 16, 2009, 08:48:39 PM
SU wins 80-78. Rhodes actually had 1.3 seconds to trigger the inbounds pass for a last moment shot. They couldn't get a clean pass and threw up a shot after the buzzer. Exciting finish with Cox leading Southwestern with 17 and the decisive runner in the lane. Brown scored 16. Cory Smith posted 21 along with Ollie who scored all 21 of his in the final 20 minutes. Saberioon finished with 15. The big difference I suspect in this game was the rebounds - SU dominated both ends tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 16, 2009, 08:51:58 PM
Finally, Millsaps came through with a win on a game that went down to the final second.  It was a 58-56 victory with Sewanee missing a 3-pointer at the end.  Don't know what kind of shot they got since they were going the length of the court with 2 seconds on the clock.

You've read this before in my posts, but Sewanee took advantage of a Millsaps scoring slump to take a lead early in the 2nd half.  Millsaps scored quick to open up the half and go up by 11, but Sewanee scored the next 12 to take the lead.  Millsaps is missing that go to guy who can break up those scoring runs by the opponents.  To the credit of the Millsaps team, they hung in there and came back at the end for a much needed victory.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 16, 2009, 08:59:18 PM
What do you know, Frank?  Maybe the Majors can win both the mens and womens games tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 17, 2009, 09:37:31 AM
Tough loss in Atlanta last night for Hendrix.  Down 22 with 6 minutes to play, the Warriors cut the lead to 4 in the last minute.
Hendrix played again without Andrew King, who continues to nurse an injured ankle.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 17, 2009, 12:43:54 PM
I think Hendrix's performance without King on the road against OU was impressive, particularly the way they came back in the final 10 or so minutes.  I assumed when I check Live Stats at about the 14 minute mark of the game that they were done. They made a nice run. Hope the Warriors get King back soon.

I've noticed Oglethorpe on a few occasions this year has cruised to 20+ leads midway through  games only to witness a dogfight down the stretch. This may be a testament to the parity in the league and the fact on any given night, if you let down your guard the slightest, you may be in store for a surprise. To OU's credit, they won these ballgames.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 17, 2009, 01:56:54 PM
For those who are interested, here's a link to photos from the 1/9/09 game between Austin and Millsaps:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/gallery/7116375_3Z28Y#456314576_Qv3nz
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2009, 02:59:00 PM
We have a bunch of games today and I don't remember the SCAC scheduling Fri/Sat games.   Seems like a lot of the schools are about four hours apart so you're talking about kids getting to their hotel rooms sometime after 2AM given that it's about 10PM before the women finish up, shower, and change.   Is this new or something I've just missed before?   Seems pretty tough on the teams that are travelling.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2009, 03:13:46 PM
I know a couple of years ago they started giving teams the option of playing the Sunday games on Saturday. Not sure if that's still optional or if they started scheduling this way specifically.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 17, 2009, 05:11:58 PM
Ron, I believe this weekend the Friday/Saturday combos all involve Western Division teams traveling to Eastern Division sites.  If I'm not mistaken, the games today are Trinity-Rhodes; Southwestern-BSU; and Austin-Centre.  Colorado College opted to play Sunday at DePauw.  This helps all of these Western Division teams get reasonable flights out Sunday so they're back home on their respective campuses earlier.

Found out something interesting last night from Glenn Schwab, Southwestern's trainer about their schedule this weekend.  Unlike the rest of the Saturday games that begin tonight with the men at 6 pm local times, Southwestern's game at Birmingham Southern begins at 4 pm CT.  Not clear on why Birmingham Southern has the afternoon start time.  Southwestern was going to spend Friday night in Memphis after the Rhodes game, and then bus it to Birmingham early Saturday (about 3.5-4.0 hours).  Talk about a tight squeeze on scheduling!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MM_Fan on January 17, 2009, 05:40:44 PM
Frank - I have thanked you privately, now want to do so publicly. Your Millsaps news, insight, and photos are a sight for sore eyes for these Major's parents living far from Jackson. As someone who dabbles a bit in photography, I can appreciate the effort involved in editing and posting all of them, to say nothing of the time spent actually taking them. The quality of your photos are superb and really makes us feel like we saw some of the game. Live video is nice, but the resolution is really not the same as your pictures! I am sure that all Major's parents and fans who are unable to see many games are as appreciative as we are.

I also appreciate the comments from all other posters as I learn about all the schools in the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2009, 05:59:53 PM
I am away from home tonite and would appreciate updates on Rhodes-TU if anyone has the chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2009, 07:48:26 PM
LOL I guess everyone else has better things to do on a Saturday night.  I got back earlier than expected.  Halftime score from Memphis - Trinity 49, Rhodes 31.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 17, 2009, 07:49:06 PM
Trinity has this one in the bag in my opinion 49-31 at the half. The score isn't even indicative of how one-sided this affair has been so far. TU was up 30 points about 15 minutes into the game. A strong, senior-laden squad is taking Rhodes to the woodshed. The Lynx have no answer to defending the sharp cuts and passes the Tigers make. Credit Trinity with hitting most of their open shots, and believe me, there have been a lot of them. This Trinity team reminds me of the Centre squad of last season with the tight, controlled passing, unselfish play, and the tight man-to-man defense they exhibit. They've left a few openings for Rhodes to hit some 3-balls, but it's tough to maintain intensity on the road with a 30 point lead.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2009, 08:02:50 PM
Southwestern completed a successful weekend with a 62-56 win at Birmingham-Southern (http://www.bscsports.net/News/mbball/2009/1/17/MBB%20vs%20Southwestern%2009.asp?path=mbball).  The Pirates held the BSC scoreless for nine minutes spanning the halftime break.   Anthony Cox had 15 pts to lead Southwestern.   Mikey Klein and Mark Messenger both had 13 for Birmingham-Southern.    Three-point shooting was the difference in this one, with Southwestern hitting nearly 50% (7-of-16) while B-SC was about as ineffective as a team could be (2-of-22). 

Meanwhile., Rhodes has closed to 51-41.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 17, 2009, 08:30:02 PM
Actually pretty exciting 2nd half as Rhodes has made a game of it getting as close 4 points. It's now 77-69 Trinity with 44.9 seconds to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 17, 2009, 08:38:44 PM
Trinity wins 83-77.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2009, 08:41:38 PM
Rhodes was bombing threes at the end to keep it interesting.  If Trinity doesn't hit their FTs, who knows what would have happened.

Cory Smith had 25 (4/7 3FG) for Rhodes, Trinty got 17 from Johathan Lewis.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 17, 2009, 09:50:23 PM
Ron,Rhodes made it interesting but this was never in doubt for Trinity. Their key guys, Houston and Caldarera stepped up when they needed to in this one. There's one thing about this league night in & night out - big leads oftentimes don't hold up. I honestly did not know whether Rhodes would show up for the 2nd half, but to their credit they did. Trinity got a little complacent perhaps, but they showed tonight why they've only lost once.

Centre played better tonight winning 77-59 over Austin with a balanced attack.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 18, 2009, 06:18:36 PM
Quote from: MM_Fan on January 17, 2009, 05:40:44 PM
Frank - I have thanked you privately, now want to do so publicly. Your Millsaps news, insight, and photos are a sight for sore eyes for these Major's parents living far from Jackson. As someone who dabbles a bit in photography, I can appreciate the effort involved in editing and posting all of them, to say nothing of the time spent actually taking them. The quality of your photos are superb and really makes us feel like we saw some of the game. Live video is nice, but the resolution is really not the same as your pictures! I am sure that all Major's parents and fans who are unable to see many games are as appreciative as we are.

I also appreciate the comments from all other posters as I learn about all the schools in the SCAC.


MM_Fan, thanks for the thank you.  Back in 1969-73 when I was at Millsaps most of the students were from Mississippi or one of the neighboring states.  That has certainly changed and there are many parents who are just too far away to catch many or any games.  I'm glad I can provide them with a glimpse of their children in action.

As most on this board already realize, getting involved and supporting the young men and women in the SCAC is a rewarding endeavor.  They are outstanding young adults and I enjoy doing what I can to help support and promote their achievements.  MM_Fan, I've got photos from the Colorado and Dallas games that I'm working on and they should be ready before next Friday's games.  I spent most of yesterday taking and working on photos of performances at the Grand Opening of the Jackson Convention Center.  I seem to be able to find plenty of projects, just not enough extra time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 19, 2009, 11:31:29 AM
A very pleasing weekend for DePauw fans!! Only issue was a slow start with Austin.That is a nice team that will give several programs fits this season. Colorado was apparently feeling the effects of the long travel.They were a bit lethargic and never seemed to step up their game after a very strong DePauw start.We will get a true test of this young DePauw team on the road this weekend at Millsaps and Hendrix.With Trinity to follow at home the following weekend It is imperative that we have a strong show on the road. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 19, 2009, 11:37:17 AM
Quote from: brave heart on January 19, 2009, 11:31:29 AM
A very pleasing weekend for DePauw fans!! Only issue was a slow start with Austin.That is a nice team that will give several programs fits this season. Colorado was apparently feeling the effects of the long travel.They were a bit lethargic and never seemed to step up their game after a very strong DePauw start.We will get a true test of this young DePauw team on the road this weekend at Millsaps and Hendrix.With Trinity to follow at home the following weekend It is imperative that we have a strong show on the road. :)
Both Hendrix and Millsaps are tough venues to play in for the road teams.  This will be a big test weekend for both DPU and Centre.  Curious how Andrew King is coming along - if I'm not mistaken, he did not play either of the road losses at OU or Sewanee over the weekend.  I suspect Hendrix will be mad as a hornet come Friday night when they host Centre.  This game I will attend, and it represents a bit of a neutral situation for me - my daughter graduated from Centre in 04; my son is a senior at Hendrix.  I usually sit on the Hendrix side of the court for one half and the Centre side for the other.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 19, 2009, 11:51:49 AM
Trinity's game against Rhodes seemed to be a total flip of what they have been doing all season.  Usually they come out slower and then win games in the second half (much like this weekend's BSC game), but Saturday Trinity came out firing away on all cylinders only to let up in the second half.  I'd like to take the positive from the situation and say that it is a good sign that Trinity is winning all of these close games.  It kind of reminds me of all the close games Centre was able to pull out last year during the regular season.  However, after seeing the recent scores of DePauw and Centre, I really think Trinity is going to have their hands full when they travel up that way in two weeks.  

Ron, on topic of the newer Friday/Saturday SCAC schedule, it is actually based on the visiting teams' flying arrangements (and it is only if a team is flying and not busing).  Too many problems were coming up with teams flying out on Sunday nights after having to make a quick transition from playing an afternoon game and then making it to the airport.  So to ease this headache, the SCAC allowed teams to schedule earlier flights on Sunday and elect to play games on Saturdays.  I am not sure how BSC was able to get Southwestern to play at 4 on Saturday, because to my understanding, if a Sunday game is moved to Saturday, it has to be 6 and 8 just like a Friday night game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 19, 2009, 09:57:05 PM
The Southwestern folks told me the 4 pm game scheduling at Birmingham Southern Saturday had something to do with staff working hours at the school's athletic facility. I am not sure exactly what that means. Maybe a BSU reader or the SCAC office can chime in on this.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 20, 2009, 02:21:52 PM
I am REALLY looking forward to seeing the Oglethorpe/Trinity game this Sunday.  I am anxious to see what this solid Oglethorpe team is all about.  They seem to be playing well at the moment.  I don't know much about Todd Ward, but he is just tallying up the SCAC POTW's.  Any other highly anticipated SCAC matchups this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2009, 11:24:06 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on January 20, 2009, 02:21:52 PM
I am REALLY looking forward to seeing the Oglethorpe/Trinity game this Sunday.  I am anxious to see what this solid Oglethorpe team is all about.  They seem to be playing well at the moment.  I don't know much about Todd Ward, but he is just tallying up the SCAC POTW's.  Any other highly anticipated SCAC matchups this weekend?
Todd Ward is an athletic player that comes to play most nights.  Unless they shoot lights out, and TU cannot figure out a zone defense, I like Trinity in this one by 12 points. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 21, 2009, 07:40:33 AM
I expect Trinity to win,but perhaps by 4.Ward is very athletic,but prone to turnovers by taking chances.He is a force and if ogelthorpe is on from three range they can beat anyone in the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 21, 2009, 08:23:14 AM
The new website for Millsaps athletics went online yesterday.  Check it out and note that there is a box on the lower right where you can sign up for the sports e-newsletter.

Link:  http://www.gomajors.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 21, 2009, 10:41:41 AM
Well Trinity definitely owes Oglethorpe one from last season.  I think I remember Oglethorpe playing a 2-3 zone.  I know Trinity had trouble earlier this year with Millsaps' 1-3-1 zone, but I would credit some of that game to just plain poor shooting.  If Trinity comes out with a hot hand, then I say they win big, but if they aren't shooting the ball well, it might be a very interesting game!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2009, 01:21:24 PM
The secret to dissecting Oglethorpe's 3-2 is patience and excellent passing. Of course it doesn't hurt if you're hitting a few 3's, too. They love that zone, but it can be broken down.

I really like Ward as many of you know from my past posts. He will get impatient sometimes and commit turnovers when he tries to do too much or he perceives he's not getting enough touches. Oglethorpe is most effective when there's some balance between Ward and effectively 4 wings.

This being Trinity's homecourt I would be surprised if OU wins this game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 21, 2009, 01:49:02 PM
Depauw led OU 27-18 at the half at Atlanta only to lose that led early in the 2nd half.We fought back to within two with a minute to play and lost.Ward was "held" to 14 but we were killed by Kennedy"s20 second half points on threes and 7-8 FT. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2009, 11:56:57 PM
Looking forward to seeing Centre playing again this weekend. As previously noted, I'll be appreciative of whomever wins this one as long as each team plays competitively. I've not seen Hendrix play yet this year so I hope I'll see them at full strength with King suited up & playing.
I've never attended a game at Millsaps before. If I can work it out, I'll follow Centre to Jackson for their Sunday games against the Majors. This might provide an good opportunity to meet the great photographer who frequently posts on this site.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2009, 07:44:00 AM
My game predictions for tonight:

Trinity by 13 over Sewanee;
Southwestern by 3 over Oglethorpe;
Rhodes by 4 over Colorado College;
Austin by 11 over Birmingham Southern;
DePauw by 5 over Millsaps;
Hendrix by 3 over Centre
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 23, 2009, 11:38:59 AM
My Predictions:

Trinity by 8 over Sewanee;
Oglethorpe by 3 over Southwestern;
Rhodes by 10 over Colorado College;
Birmingham Southern by 4 over Austin;
DePauw by 12 over Millsaps;
Centre by 8 over Hendrix
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 23, 2009, 01:01:43 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2009, 11:56:57 PM
Looking forward to seeing Centre playing again this weekend. As previously noted, I'll be appreciative of whomever wins this one as long as each team plays competitively. I've not seen Hendrix play yet this year so I hope I'll see them at full strength with King suited up & playing.
I've never attended a game at Millsaps before. If I can work it out, I'll follow Centre to Jackson for their Sunday games against the Majors. This might provide an good opportunity to meet the great photographer who frequently posts on this site.

Pbrooks, a comment like that never hurts when it comes to improving karma points! :)  Hope you can make it to Jackson--when you see the lighting in the Hangar Dome you'll appreciate my photography even more.  Oh how I wish I had the lighting that they have in the Rhodes gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2009, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 23, 2009, 01:01:43 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2009, 11:56:57 PM
Looking forward to seeing Centre playing again this weekend. As previously noted, I'll be appreciative of whomever wins this one as long as each team plays competitively. I've not seen Hendrix play yet this year so I hope I'll see them at full strength with King suited up & playing.
I've never attended a game at Millsaps before. If I can work it out, I'll follow Centre to Jackson for their Sunday games against the Majors. This might provide an good opportunity to meet the great photographer who frequently posts on this site.

Pbrooks, a comment like that never hurts when it comes to improving karma points! :)  Hope you can make it to Jackson--when you see the lighting in the Hangar Dome you'll appreciate my photography even more.  Oh how I wish I had the lighting that they have in the Rhodes gym.
Touche.  Hope to be there Sunday and see the camera that lights up the dome.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2009, 01:14:47 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on January 23, 2009, 11:38:59 AM
My Predictions:

Trinity by 8 over Sewanee;
Oglethorpe by 3 over Southwestern;
Rhodes by 10 over Colorado College;
Birmingham Southern by 4 over Austin;
DePauw by 12 over Millsaps;
Centre by 8 over Hendrix
Walter17, what is your assessment of Hendrix?  I am looking forward to seeing them play tonight for 1st time this season.  I think they're going to be tough for Centre, especially after a difficult road swing last weekend with no Andrew King.  The Colonels have won in Conway before, but it's never been easy in recent years.  I think the timing is right and Hendrix will play much better tonight.  That's why I am predicting they'll beat Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 23, 2009, 05:09:45 PM
Well, they are a tough team with King healthy.  Rose has the ability to really stretch out the defense with his shooting to make life easier on the inside (King's life that is).  I definitely think this Hendrix group is the best they've had in quite a while, I just don't know if they are to the level of beating a very solid Centre team.  They lack the depth that the top tier teams have in the SCAC, as displayed when King sat out a couple of games.  With that said, I think they are capable of beating anyone on any night.  I feel like teams like Colorado College and Rhodes have to have outstanding games to compete and beat the top tier teams, but Hendrix could win with just having a solid overall performance and one player (King or Rose usually) having a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 23, 2009, 05:37:38 PM
With the teams in Texas and no games to see tonight I figured I'd weigh in on the projections:

My Predictions:

Trinity by 18 over Sewanee;
Oglethorpe by 11 over Southwestern;
Colorado College by 2 over Rhodes;
Austin over Birmingham Southern by 3;
DePauw by 8 over Millsaps;
Centre by 16 over Hendrix
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 23, 2009, 07:15:43 PM
Could anyone who is at or is watching the OU v. Southwestern game post updates on here?  It would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2009, 07:43:46 PM
Hendrix jumped out 8-0 and is maintaining an 8-pt cushion at the half - 33-25. Rose and Foley have played well. King started the game but he's not nearly 100%. Warriors are better without King in the game tonight. They were a step quicker than Centre in the half. Colonels are inconsistent and have had numerous turnovers dribbling left in the front-court. Hendrix looks focused and quick to the ball. Centre will need to find energy, an even stroke on shots and play smart in the final 20 or this could be a 15 or 20 pt game in the Warriors' favor tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2009, 08:29:37 PM
Trinity 55, Sewanee 40, final.   TU raced out to a 29-17 halftime advantage and Sewanee got no closer than 10 the rest of the way.   BJ Moon had 16 (including 4/5 from downtown), Dwight Lutz had 15.   Sewanee got 11 from Ben Pursell and 10 from Bradley Pierson. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2009, 08:32:49 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on January 23, 2009, 07:15:43 PM
Could anyone who is at or is watching the OU v. Southwestern game post updates on here?  It would be greatly appreciated.

Front page has Southwestern 60, Oglethorpe 52, 2:26 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2009, 08:39:15 PM
Centre wins 65-59. A real defensive tussle and Centre dominated in final 20. They got key baskets from TC Thomasen, Danny Noll, and Ryan Crowdis hit his only basket - a 3 - to bump the lead from 1 to 4 in the final minute. Veteran players sucked it up on the road and got a win against a spirited Warrior squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2009, 08:40:02 PM
DePauw and Millsaps are in OT.  Frank must be happy.   ;)

At the half, Austin 48, BSC 35.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2009, 08:51:57 PM
My first reply got wiped out so this will be short:  Southwestern 69, Oglethorpe 61.  The Pirates had a sizable rebounding advantage, 45-33, and outshot the Stormy Petrels 47% to 37%.  Box score here (http://southwesternpirates.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2008-2009/suvou.html).

With 19 seconds left BSC has drawn within four of Austin, 62-66.

DePauw 85, Millsaps 83, final in OT.  Nice video from Jackson!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2009, 08:56:36 PM
Ron, keep us in the loop on DPU-Millsaps.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2009, 09:04:51 PM
See previous message - updated just after you posted your note.

A tight one in the Springs as, with the second half just underway, CoCo leads Rhodes 42-41.  CC led by 8 at the half, 40-32, before the Lynx went on a 9-0 run.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2009, 09:50:25 PM
Austin did ease past BSC, 69-64, thanks in no small part to 29 from Kola Alade.  Aaron Paar had 18 for the Panthers.  Box score here (http://artemis.austincollege.edu/admin/sports/results/Recaps/mb08gm16.htm).

CoCo had a 5-point lead with 15 seconds left, Rhodes' Jared Hoskins hits a three off a rebound of a missed shot with five seconds left, CC turns it over a second later, and (after a time out) Cory Smith hits a J as time runs out to send that game into overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2009, 10:10:45 PM
Jerell Sweet hits a jumper with 0:02 left in OT to push Colorado College past Rhodes, 79-77.  Sweet had 16, Brady Ohlsen had 23 and 11 to lead CC.   The Lynx got 26 from Cory Smith, who tipped in his own miss with 8 seconds left to briefly tie the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 24, 2009, 11:32:23 AM
Another heartbreaker of sorts last night at CC for Rhodes. Unfortunate for Rhodes, they tend to dig themselves into holes during games that simply can't overcome. I am convinced this squad has the talent and game to play better than their league record reflects. I think when they face up to the fact that you have to play 40 minutes in the SCAC each game and that defense can win you some games, they'll get some W's. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 24, 2009, 11:46:14 AM
Guess I'm into a predictions type of mood this time of year!

Tonight Southwestern hangs on against Sewanee to win by 4.
Tomorrow, Birmingham Southern wins by 3 at Colorado College;
Rhodes wins its 1st SCAC game in an upset by 3 at Austin;
Oglethorpe loses by 5 at Trinity;
Hendrix beats DePauw by 6;
Centre wins by 8 at Millsaps
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 24, 2009, 12:17:11 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2009, 08:39:15 PM
Centre wins 65-59. A real defensive tussle and Centre dominated in final 20. They got key baskets from TC Thomasen, Danny Noll, and Ryan Crowdis hit his only basket - a 3 - to bump the lead from 1 to 4 in the final minute. Veteran players sucked it up on the road and got a win against a spirited Warrior squad.

Good win on the road last night by Centre.  Any road win in the SCAC is a good win.

Hendrix has a lot of problems right now.  They have lost 5 in a row, King is not healthy, and the team just doesn't seem to be clicking.  Good effort by King, but he appears to be hurting pretty bad.

On a side note, does anyone know if the SCAC will go back to playing the ladies first again next year?  The video shows that the Hendrix men aren't getting a very good home crowd this year, and then the ladies have even less.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 24, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
HendrixFan, my understanding is this is in effect for the remainder of this season, and will be evaluated & reviewed annually at the end of season.

Agree about King last night. He showed a lot of game last night when it looked like he was operating at 60-75% at best. Clearly he had no quickness or jump to his step, and he was not the player we normally see when he's not hurt. Really liked what I saw in David Foley last night. He seems like a great young man who has matured on the basketball court each season. Cal Rose looks comfortable slinging it from about 35 feet!  He's a fun player to watch too when his shot is clicking. I still like the Warriors' chances against DePauw. It would be a good rebound for the team Sunday to get this one. Of course I'm biased - I want Centre to win and DPU to lose. Good luck the rest of the way, HendrixFan!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 24, 2009, 06:54:15 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2009, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 23, 2009, 01:01:43 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2009, 11:56:57 PM
Looking forward to seeing Centre playing again this weekend. As previously noted, I'll be appreciative of whomever wins this one as long as each team plays competitively. I've not seen Hendrix play yet this year so I hope I'll see them at full strength with King suited up & playing.
I've never attended a game at Millsaps before. If I can work it out, I'll follow Centre to Jackson for their Sunday games against the Majors. This might provide an good opportunity to meet the great photographer who frequently posts on this site.

Pbrooks, a comment like that never hurts when it comes to improving karma points! :)  Hope you can make it to Jackson--when you see the lighting in the Hangar Dome you'll appreciate my photography even more.  Oh how I wish I had the lighting that they have in the Rhodes gym.
Touche.  Hope to be there Sunday and see the camera that lights up the dome.

Pbrooks, while I hope you still make it to Jackson for the game, I'm afraid that we'll miss the opportunity to meet.  I'm helping a family member move furniture and quite honestly, I need a break from the photography.  It's amazing the number of people who assume that the photography is something I do for fun when in reality it is the most demanding thing that I do with my life.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 24, 2009, 08:15:43 PM
It should be an interesting game tomorrow in Sherman.  You've got the two top shot blockers in the conference (Bledsoe/Burke) squaring off, and arguably the top two scorers in the league (Smith/Alade) as well.  It'll be interesting to see which team can come out on top.  I'll admit, I don't know much about Rhodes, but as far as AC goes, their success will largely depend on whether or not Alade's supporting cast (Sturtevant, Lintelman, etc) can get it going tomorrow.

Should be an interesting game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 24, 2009, 11:53:03 PM
Am in Jackson to see Centre-Millsaps tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing the game and visiting another SCAC venue I've not experienced before.  Sorry to miss the chance to meet Frank too.

Austin certainly should have the upper hand playing at home against a team without a SCAC win this season. However, Rhodes should be considered a formiable opponent. They have good players with offensive fire power. Smith and Ollie are athletic, and should either one of them or both go off tomorrow, look out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2009, 01:39:37 PM
Majors up at the half 28-21. Colonels 0-11 on the 3-ball. Millsaps has gotten some easy baskets. Centre will need to turn up defense and figure out the 1-3-1 that seems to have them confused.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 25, 2009, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2009, 01:39:37 PM
Majors up at the half 28-21. Colonels 0-11 on the 3-ball. Millsaps has gotten some easy baskets. Centre will need to turn up defense and figure out the 1-3-1 that seems to have them confused.

That's a little surprising, but the hangar at Millsaps is a tough place to play - especially a Sunday noon game.

Hendrix is up 37-27 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2009, 01:55:44 PM
Trinity leads OU 53-50 with 12:21 left.

TU has kept the lead between 1 and 6 points for the second half.

TU 56-50 11:23 left.

TU 58-55 9:49 left.

TU 63-58 8:13 left

TU 74-65 4:08 left.

TU 74-72 1:11 left (TU ball.)

Tied at 74-74  0:40 left.

TU 77, OU 74.  FINAL (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/MBasketball/livestats/xlive.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2009, 02:22:02 PM
In Jackson-- 

Millsaps 48, Centre 54, 3:02 left.

Millsaps 53, Centre 55. 1:31 left.

Millsaps 53, Centre 56.  CC ball 0:38 left. (0:13 on the shot clock.)

Millsaps 56, Centre 56. 3FG by Martinez 0:09 left.

Millsaps 56, Centre 59 3FG by Mullaney (from NBA distance) 0:01.3 left

FINAL CENTRE 59, Millsaps 56.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 25, 2009, 02:42:06 PM
Ralph will probably beat me to this post.  Millsaps tied the game with 9 seconds to go, Centre took at long three pointer with a few seconds to go, it hit the rim, took a high bounce, and dropped down through the basket. 

A great weekend by Millsaps that still resulted in an 0-2 record.  They need a few breaks to go their way over the next couple of road trip weekends in order to climb back up to contention for an SCAC Tournament berth.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2009, 02:43:27 PM
Centre escapes 59-56. Martinez hit an unbelievable 3 to tie the game at 56-56 with 9 seconds left. Jeff Mullaney then hits 3 from the top of the circle on a fortunate carom to win it for the Colonels. TC Thomasen carried Centre much of the 2nd half scoring 4 threes. Colonels are fortunate to grasp a win in this one. Millsaps hung tough in a game they controlled for about 23 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 25, 2009, 02:44:33 PM
Hendrix held on for a 78-67 win.  After leading by 19 in the second half, DePauw cut the lead to single digits late.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
HendrixFan, nice to see the Warriors pick up a good win over DePauw.

I'll look forward to seeing Hendrix next weekend again when they come to Memphis. Maybe Andrew King will be back at full strength then.

I now see why Millsaps is a challenging venue for the Majors' opponents. Frank is generous when he talks about the lighting. At the game's start, I swear the areas under each basket appeared darker than the remainder of the court. The extra lights on the walls behind the goals don't seem to add much illumination.   Centre certainly shot the ball as if they were pitching it in the dark during the 1st 20 minutes.

Actually, I was favorably impressed with the overall facilities at Millsaps. I hadn't been on the campus in about 9 years. Really liked the football area. The other perk of sorts that is nice about out-of-towners coming to Millsaps is the excellent accomodations next door in the Cabot Lodge. It's fantastic to be able to walk from the hotel to the game. Don't know of anywhere else in the SCAC that you can do this. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 26, 2009, 10:08:12 AM
King looked much better yesterday than he did on Friday night.  The crazy thing for the very few attending the noon start in Conway yesterday was that Priest didn't start Cal Rose on Sunday.  Rose played well and didn't seem to have any health-related issues.   ???

pbrooks, I agree with your assessment on Millsaps.  I was impressed with all the facilities except the Hangar Dome, but it definitely is a great home court advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 26, 2009, 11:11:16 AM
Well, it looks like Trinity dodged another bullet on this one.  I had to be out of town and wasn't able to catch the game.  Was anyone there for this one? 

Although this weekend doesn't have a huge impact on divisional standings for Trinity, it DOES have a huge impact on regional record and the potential for an at large bid.  (Obviously, I would like to think that every game Trinity plays is a MUST win and I don't suggest that Trinity take these two games against DePauw and Centre lightly.  In fact, I think this weekend will really be the Tigers' toughest tests of the season)  What are some thoughts on where teams might be in regards to at large bids.  Does the SCAC have a shot at getting two in the tournament again this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on January 26, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
Quote from: hendrixfan on January 24, 2009, 12:17:11 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2009, 08:39:15 PM
Centre wins 65-59. A real defensive tussle and Centre dominated in final 20. They got key baskets from TC Thomasen, Danny Noll, and Ryan Crowdis hit his only basket - a 3 - to bump the lead from 1 to 4 in the final minute. Veteran players sucked it up on the road and got a win against a spirited Warrior squad.

Good win on the road last night by Centre.  Any road win in the SCAC is a good win.

Hendrix has a lot of problems right now.  They have lost 5 in a row, King is not healthy, and the team just doesn't seem to be clicking.  Good effort by King, but he appears to be hurting pretty bad.

On a side note, does anyone know if the SCAC will go back to playing the ladies first again next year?  The video shows that the Hendrix men aren't getting a very good home crowd this year, and then the ladies have even less.

Hendrix had lost three in row before defeating DePauw yesterday.  They had beaten Colorado and Austin two weekends ago.  My guess is that the coaches wanted to either switch things up or motivate Rose in some way.  Chris Goodman has been shooting the ball really well and had started 2 or 3 games on the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 26, 2009, 11:50:04 AM
Hendrix had lost three in row before defeating DePauw yesterday.
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You are correct.  My mistake.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2009, 03:20:37 PM
Are there any repercussions for DePauw with Mike Moore's double T yesterday at Hendrix?  I know certain leagues in Division 1 make the coach and/or player sit out a game. Perhaps someone more familiar with SCAC rules can weigh in on this.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 26, 2009, 09:31:10 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 26, 2009, 03:20:37 PM
Are there any repercussions for DePauw with Mike Moore's double T yesterday at Hendrix?  I know certain leagues in Division 1 make the coach and/or player sit out a game. Perhaps someone more familiar with SCAC rules can weigh in on this.

Don't think so.  I've seen a few ejections in my time, and I don't recall any suspensions that followed.  But those have all been coaches, I think.  Not sure I ever saw a player get run.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 26, 2009, 09:58:32 PM
Trinity is up to eighth, Centre makes its first appearance at #23 in the latest d3hoops.com Top 25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/).   DePauw received 2 25th-place votes. 

Trinity is two points behind #7 (former #1) Wheaton. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 27, 2009, 09:30:39 AM
I believe foul language technical fouls are class A which doesn't result in suspension if you are ejected from the game after two.  If you are ejected from a game due to fighting (class B?), then there is the automatic suspension.  For instance, anyone see the idiot from University of Houston purposely step on Arizona's Chase Budinger's face?  I think he was only given one game for that - which is too nice of a punishment in my opinion.  There is no room in the game for that.  Luckily, SCAC players have better class!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2009, 11:58:54 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 26, 2009, 09:58:32 PM
Trinity is up to eighth, Centre makes its first appearance at #23 in the latest d3hoops.com Top 25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/).   DePauw received 2 25th-place votes. 

Trinity is two points behind #7 (former #1) Wheaton. 

Millsaps lost by 5 at Trinity, and had the OT loss to DePauw this weekend and the heartbreak loss at the end to Centre.  In the scorebook that's still 0-3, but it tells you how close Millsaps has been to a fairly good season.  I think they could present real problems for someone IF they get into the SCAC Tournament, but they are going to need some good results on the road over the next two weeks in order to climb back up to 4th or better in the West.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2009, 06:18:44 PM
Frank's comments are right on. I've seen a similar pattern with Rhodes. There were several games that Rhodes could have won in conference.  Millsaps, however, has played consistently better ball than Rhodes.  This weekend's match-up of these 2 could be a good one- each one needs a win. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 28, 2009, 03:58:13 PM
Are there any predictions for this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 28, 2009, 07:18:45 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on January 28, 2009, 03:58:13 PM
Are there any predictions for this weekend?

Here are mine:

Millsaps wins at Birmingham Southern by 4
Rhodes beats Hendrix by 4
Trinity wins in OT by 2 over DePauw
Centre over Southwestern by 11
Oglethorpe by 18 over Colorado College
Sewanee by 3 over Austin


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on January 28, 2009, 07:50:09 PM
ooo, I like the Trinity win prediction pbrooks!

Mine are:

BSC over Millsaps by 6
Hendrix over Rhodes by 8
DePauw over Trinity by 6 (I'm playing it conservative here, obviously I want the Tigers to win, but they haven't had much success in Greencastle)
Centre over Southwestern by 14
Oglethorpe over Colorado College by 12
Austin over Sewanee by 10
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 28, 2009, 10:37:38 PM
Any chance we'll see Frank Ezelle in Memphis Sunday for the Millsaps game?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 29, 2009, 10:10:20 AM
Trinity's road weekend coming up is probably the most challenging pair of games for the Tigers to date this season. This weekend is a reminder for me of the same time last year when Centre went on the road to San Antonio and Georgetown undefeated in league play. As we all know, Centre pulled out a very fortunate OT win at Trinity that catapulted the team to the SCAC's first undefeated regular season for any men's team. Trinity finds itself in the same position this year. It will be difficult for Trinity to duplicate the Colonel's feat given the fact they they'll play 2 games within 24 hours at two of the most challenging venues in the SCAC. DPU and Centre represent the strength of the eastern division as well. Stranger things have happened so we might witness a Trinity surprise - who knows! Actually I think it's probably healthy for Trinity to take at least 1 loss before the SCAC tournament. I think the pressure mounts big time for an undefeated team to get through the SCAC tourney unscathed as evidenced by Centre last season. Of course, Millsaps was playing better ball than Centre at the end of the season, and they were the best team in the SCAC last year. Wish I could be at both of Trinity's games this weekend - they should be fun to watch.     
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 29, 2009, 12:23:46 PM
It really amazes me that any of the teams from the west take this Fri/Sat option.  Given the numerous close escapes the SA Tigers have had so far, you wonder if this is the weekend that the breaks go the other way. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 29, 2009, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 29, 2009, 12:23:46 PM
It really amazes me that any of the teams from the west take this Fri/Sat option.  Given the numerous close escapes the SA Tigers have had so far, you wonder if this is the weekend that the breaks go the other way. 
Centre had two narrow escapes last year as well against Trinity and Millsaps.  You got a believe there's chance they could do it!  Remote maybe, but still possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 30, 2009, 05:52:34 PM
Oh, I always believe there's a chance.   ;)

Hope everyone gets to see some good action tonight - I'll be travelling and check in after I arrive late this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2009, 06:35:19 PM
Okay you TU-Tigers!

Y'all owe me one.  I signed on to WGRE as Trinity was going on a 7 minute run in which they held DPU scoreless.  As hard as I could yell, DPU could not score!

DPU scored 5 points at the end of the half to bring the score to TU 31, DPU 29.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2009, 07:20:55 PM
Okay...

I had to leave for a few minutes.

DPU 55 TU 50 3:10 left.

Final DPU 61 TU 54

I yelled as loud as I could!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 30, 2009, 07:37:11 PM
Hendrix leads 38-36 late in the 1st half.

Will be interested various takes on the DPU win over Trinity tonight.

Centre was in a dogfight with Southwestern early in the 2nd with the score knotted at 39.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 30, 2009, 07:41:31 PM
Centre prevails 73-63. Hendrix leads 43-38 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2009, 07:45:56 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 30, 2009, 07:37:11 PM
Hendrix leads 38-36 late in the 1st half.

Will be interested various takes on the DPU win over Trinity tonight.

Centre was in a dogfight with Southwestern early in the 2nd with the score knotted at 39.
Tough to win on the road in the SCAC, or any conference, for that matter.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 30, 2009, 08:47:08 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 28, 2009, 10:37:38 PM
Any chance we'll see Frank Ezelle in Memphis Sunday for the Millsaps game?

While I would love 40 minutes of action under their lights, I'll be taking photos of some local bands till after midnight Saturday and sleeping in Sunday morning sounds like a really good idea.

Millsaps lost at BSC 68-60 this evening.  Of the 13 Millsaps players, 12 played double-digit minutes and the other played 8 minutes.  No one played more than 22 minutes.  Even with that, Millsaps had a good chance to win except for the stat about 2 of 17 from behind the arc.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 30, 2009, 08:47:22 PM
Hendrix beats Rhodes fairly easily 83-65. Other than a few moments in the 2nd half when Rhodes controlled pace, the Warriors were in command. There was balanced scoring with Hightower leading the way with 17. Ollie led Rhodes. Corey Smith was a non-factor tonight riding the pine a good bit with foul problems. He tried to take his frustrations out in the final minute with a tomahawk dunk attempt that failed when the ball slipped on his hand bouncing off the rim harmlessly.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2009, 01:39:45 PM
Centre got a good win last night against a much improved Southwestern team.  Centre had another relatively poor first half performance.  Playing without senior, TC Thomason, Colonels senior point guard, Ryan Crowdis and junior, Danny Noll stepped up big in the final 20 minutes to help Centre finish strong.  Crowdis' stat line of 18 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists and only 2 turnovers was a big league performance.  He was also 12 for 12 on the foul line.  Senior leadership definitely shined in this one with Crowdis' game.  Danny Noll was big too, hitting for 28 points, including 7 of 9 on threes.  He had seven rebounds. 

The Southwestern game, in a way, was a potential "trip" game for the Colonels going into tonight's match-up with Trinity.  Don't know the status of Thomason for the Trinity game, but my guess is he'll be out of action tonight as well.

Wish I was going to be at this game.  Record-wise, this represents the best of the SCAC competing in Danville today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2009, 02:04:45 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 28, 2009, 07:18:45 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on January 28, 2009, 03:58:13 PM
Are there any predictions for this weekend?

Here are mine:

Millsaps wins at Birmingham Southern by 4
Rhodes beats Hendrix by 4
Trinity wins in OT by 2 over DePauw
Centre over Southwestern by 11
Oglethorpe by 18 over Colorado College
Sewanee by 3 over Austin



I stunk it up on my Friday night predictions (2-4).  Here's what I see happening tonight and tomorrow:

Hendrix will win by 5 at Birmingham Southern - the Warriors looked pretty solid last night at Rhodes
Centre wins in a tight one at Danville over Trinity by 4 - this one will be physical and low scoring, probably 55-51 or something like that
Sewanee picks up a much needed win by 8 over Colorado College on the mountain
DePauw wins by 11 over Southwestern at home
Oglethorpe wins by 4 over Austin in a very competitive game
Rhodes struggles but wins by 3 at the buzzer over Millsaps
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 31, 2009, 07:10:10 PM
Looks like Trinity is going to go 0-2 on the road trip.  They're down by 9 at Centre with 8 minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2009, 07:56:33 PM
Congratulations to Pat Cunningham and the Trinity Tigers on a hard fought victory on Centre's court this evening. It was difficult to follow the game completely but my Centre sources told me that the Colonels led most of the game. Give credit to the Tigers for hanging around and finding a way to win at the end. That's the mark of a great team when they can snatch victory on the road in a difficult venue. I've thought all season Trinity was the team to beat in this conference. It's probably not so bad that they took it on the chin at DePauw. Should they finish the regular season with only the 1 SCAC loss, I look for them to be the favorite in the tournament. They'll have a chance to climb the D3 rankings after this weekend. They may be marked down a notch or two for the DePauw loss, but they can get back to #8 or higher in a week or so.

As for my Colonels, they'll rebound. Greg Mason and his team have a lot going for them, and still are in position to get back to #1 on the Eastern side of the SCAC with a rematch against DePauw at home. Hopefully, TC Thomason will heal and be back at full strength in a week.

It's sort of a shame tonight's game wasn't broadcast (audio). Sure seems like it was a good one.  Appreciate who ever it was from Centre or Trinity that did update the score periodically tonight on D3HOOPS - thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2009, 08:28:03 PM
Kudos to the Centre College administration for staging two nights of basketball this weekend in light of the winter storm damage and power outages throughout central Kentucky and Danville. For those not familiar with the situation there is a slideshow of the storm's effect on Centre and the Danville community on the college website - www.centre.edu.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2009, 10:38:57 PM
Toughness - Trinity is #1;
DePauw and Centre are contending for #2 right now.

One other note - Danny Noll is worthy of POTW consideration.  He contributed 57 points in the 2 weekend games. He had 28 Friday night against Southwestern hitting 7-9 on threes; tonight he tallied 29 with 5-8 from the arc. Pretty decent pair of games for a great young man. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2009, 12:21:14 AM
Brackets will be seeded 4 weeks from Monday.

Trinity may have earned its hosting of first round games by virtue of the win over Centre, coupled with losses by RMC, McMurry and Centre.

Centre may have lost a first round host slot with that loss to Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2009, 07:26:25 AM
I think you're right Ralph. This is really gut check time for Centre. That was a tough loss for Centre given that they had the game pretty well in hand at the 35 minute mark. Pat has limited talent and skill in his lineup and not a deep bench, but he's got fearless kids with a desire to get it done. I have no doubt Greg Mason will get his team prepared and ready to go again. The question is whether they want it enough to get to the D3 tournament. I'm not sure Centre earns a D3 tournament bid this year unless they finish strong. That means a minimum of winning out the remainder of the regular season and at least advancing to the finals of the SCAC tourney. I believe DePauw or Oglethorpe would like to be that team too, and both have legitimate shots.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2009, 02:52:32 PM
Rhodes is playing under the level of their competition so far this afternoon.  Millsaps leads 41-30 at the half. Lots of missed free throws in this game, particularly by Rhodes. Rhodes got in the bonus early but has failed miserably to take advantage of this. Songy leads the Majors with 9. Millsaps has 7 or 8 threes and they are getting almost any look they want. It would be interesting to see what Rhodes could do if they'd try playing defense. This is a game Rhodes should win, but one they may squander if they refuse to defend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2009, 03:58:59 PM
Rhodes and Millsaps played an exciting game - Millsaps pulls it out 84-79. Rhodes made a nice comeback, but they had too big a hill to climb. They tied the score a few times but could not take control. Corey Smith had 28 (?) for Rhodes. Blake Martinez lit it up from 3 for the Majors with 26 or 27. I counted 6 3-balls. Songy and Martinez made key free throws in the final minute to help with the win. Rhodes' achilles' heel beside porous defense - poor free throw shooting. This game was one Rhodes gave away to a team with less talent. I sound like a broken record!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 01, 2009, 05:20:16 PM
Not to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you are saying that the individual talent at Rhodes is losing to the better team play of other SCAC teams. 

For Millsaps, this was a critical win.  They came into the game with 6 SCAC games remaining and a need to win at least 4 to get into the SCAC Tournament.  Today's win still leaves Millsaps with a lot of work to do, but it kept them within reasonable range of that #4 spot.

By the way, while the lighting is better at Rhodes, I do believe their music selection and volume control falls behind Millsaps.  They definitely don't consider the parents and older alums when playing music at halftime and between games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2009, 06:18:54 PM
Frank, I couldn't agree with you more on the music at Rhodes - it was pretty sad. The real problem today with the audio was the lack of fannies in the seats. When the gym is nearly empty, the noise is deafening and the selection of tunes isn't any better. My wife spent the better part of the Ladies game trying to get Rhodes officials to turn down the volume. Believe me there weren't many students there this afternoon. 

My comment about talent may be slightly off base. Rhodes has the players to more than match up with Millsaps this season, but certainly did not match up to the skill and intensity of Millsaps. Rhodes falls down regularly because they don't play defense. No different today except they also managed to miss 16 of 29 free throws.

I am actually more impressed with the Millsaps team now that I've seen them play twice. Martinez is a great shooter. The young man playing in the post obviously is a smart kid; what he lacks in ability he makes up for with smarts. He played effectively against Centre and he followed the scouting report today against Rhodes. Songy is always steady and makes big plays. Sanders is athletic and does a lot of good things. Vanardo took the ball to the basket effectively. Millsaps has some nice role players coming off the bench including the big freshman who Rhodes couldn't find a match for today. I think your Majors are jelling right now, and if they are able to finish strong and somehow get in the SCAC tourney mix, they'll be a tough 1st round match for someone.  Coach Wise has done a good job re-tooling. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 01, 2009, 09:54:18 PM
Great weekend for DePauw. The Trinity game was everything we needed,holding team to 30% shooting.Combination of cold shooting and nice defensive effort by Depauw.Trinity is the real deal and at home would be especially difficult for anyone to beat.The Southwestern game was over with 3 min gone in the second half.A very long trip home for Southwestern.Very strong game on both ends of the floor for Depauw.Now we need to avoid a let down on this next trip to BSU and Memphis. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2009, 11:21:00 PM
DePauw has a chance to crack the Top 25 with the win over Trinity.  Centre should come out of the top 25, probably somewhere around 30-32.  Trinity is about #10 in my book.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tmore22 on February 02, 2009, 01:57:03 PM
With the regular season winding down who do you see getting SCAC post season awards. Player of the year, All conference, newcomer of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 02, 2009, 07:31:09 PM
Speaking of POTY - nice catch, Danny Noll grabbing SCAC POTW!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 03, 2009, 09:10:47 AM
Any SCAC posters interested in ranking their top 25 D3 teams in the country?  Of course you can only pull 12 possible teams from the SCAC so you have to come up with some other schools in your rankings!  Kidding aside, there is a posters poll under Multi-Regional Topics that you may access to learn more about posting a weekly Top 25. I believe the weekly deadline is 6 pm (ET) Tuesday during basketball season. 

Does anyone know who the current #1 team is?  It's not Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 03, 2009, 11:37:11 PM
Two teams in the top 25 this week with one just on the outside -

Trinity drops a little to #12
DePauw climbs to #25
Centre moves down to #26

I think these are pretty close - I had Trinity at #10, DePauw at #26 and Centre at #29.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 04, 2009, 01:47:26 PM
Nice to see DePauw sneek into the top25.Not sure what it would take to move up much at this point.I do know what it would take to move down...I look for two really hard fought games this weekend.BSU was tough at home last year and I have alot of respect for that young team.Rhoads at home is a tough one,we hope Centere can soften them up.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2009, 08:56:22 PM
Rhodes is something like a sleeping giant.  They have the players on any given night to play a competitive game.  The problem is they are consistently weak on defense and their offensive scheme is suspect at times with poor passing sometimes or no passing at all.  If they're hot, and they use their athleticism effectively they can probably beat any SCAC team on a given night.  When that given night occurs is the big question.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 04, 2009, 11:44:36 PM
The SCAC is well-represented in the first NCAA regional rankings:

South

1. Trinity (Texas) 17-2 14-2
2. Texas-Dallas 17-2 15-2
3. Guilford 15-4 14-4
4. McMurry 13-5 12-3
5. Randolph-Macon 14-5 12-2
6. DePauw 15-5 12-4
7. Centre 15-4 12-4

8. LeTourneau 13-6 12-4
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 05, 2009, 11:10:08 AM
I watched Sewanee at Maryville last night and think the SCAC will have a tough time with the Tigers when Coach Smith has had a couple of years to build there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 05, 2009, 12:33:36 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 05, 2009, 11:10:08 AM
I watched Sewanee at Maryville last night and think the SCAC will have a tough time with the Tigers when Coach Smith has had a couple of years to build there. 
He's a good coach.  What particularly impresses you about what he's doing based on last night's game?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 05, 2009, 12:41:17 PM
My predictions for Friday and Saturday:

FRIDAY
Hendrix in a cliff-hanger at Colorado College by 2
Austin finds the going tough but triumphs by 3 over Millsaps
Centre battles an invigorated Rhodes and comes out with a 6 point win
DePauw struggles but pulls away at the end for a 8 pt victory

SATURDAY
Oglethorpe guts it out over Sewanee by 7
Trinity successfully defends the homecourt by 6 against Southwestern
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 05, 2009, 05:20:34 PM
They handle the ball, have a purpose on offense, are well-spaced, are not afraid to play with a physical opponent, and Smith works with them all the time during the game.  On the other hand, they did turn the ball over a lot....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 05, 2009, 06:47:21 PM
Scottiedoug, thanks for the insight.  I saw them play early in the season against Centre.  They weren't much to write home about that night which is certainly understandable then with a new coach.  Their best player is preparing to graduate; it'll be interesting see what Smith gets in the way of players over the next couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MM_Fan on February 05, 2009, 08:00:25 PM
Hi All,

If anyone attends the Millsaps vs Austin game Friday, would appreciate any news on the game. It appears that there will be no video/audio/live stats available. Many thanks in advance!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 05, 2009, 10:43:45 PM
Always fun to watch SW and TU play - quite the rivalry there, close games no matter the records - so I'll be heading to SA on Saturday to see.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2009, 07:55:55 AM
Sorry I can't help on the Austin-Millsaps. Millsaps is an improving team from what I've seen the past 2 weeks. While the book might say this game should belong to Austin, the Majors can win this one. They've got some fine perimeter shooters, particularly Martinez. The other starters have begun to mesh; this squad has a chance to finish on a high note. Aside from Trinity at the top in the west, there is pretty decent parity among the other teams. I've not seen CC play this year, but they have definitely improved from last season just looking at their SCAC win total.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 09:55:07 AM
Centenary LA to receive ban on post-season play in basketball and baseball (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/other/2009-02-05-ncaa-academics_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip&POE=click-refer)

Now is the time for Centenary to review its mission and vision for athletics.

The Shreveport LA liberal arts school is the alma mater of Boston Celtics great Robert Parrish.  Unfortunately, there has not been another Robert Parrish since his departure.

Centenary has peer institutions in the  Associated Colleges of the South. (http://www.colleges.org/)

When do we see them move to D-III?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on February 06, 2009, 10:25:58 AM
I'd suspect we will see Centenary do something within the next 18-24 months.   The combination of their academic struggles and the economy isn't going to leave them with many options.   I really don't see how they've managed to stay at the D-I level for so long.

I'd also watch the University of New Orleans.   They were having serious problems pre-Katrina keeping up with the rest of the schools in the Sun Belt.   Now they're facing a conference that has a bunch of schools wanting to improve their standing of their D-I football programs, a mandate from the Sun Belt to add a number of sports to match the rest of the conference, and a substantial reduction in their state funding.  I can quite easily see them killing off most of their program and wanting to move what teams they keep into D-3.

Here's a summary from one of our local TV stations about the UNO situation: http://tinyurl.com/b5694h


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on February 06, 2009, 10:25:58 AM
I'd suspect we will see Centenary do something within the next 18-24 months.   The combination of their academic struggles and the economy isn't going to leave them with many options.   I really don't see how they've managed to stay at the D-I level for so long.

I'd also watch the University of New Orleans.   They were having serious problems pre-Katrina keeping up with the rest of the schools in the Sun Belt.   Now they're facing a conference that has a bunch of schools wanting to improve their standing of their D-I football programs, a mandate from the Sun Belt to add a number of sports to match the rest of the conference, and a substantial reduction in their state funding.  I can quite easily see them killing off most of their program and wanting to move what teams they keep into D-3.

Here's a summary from one of our local TV stations about the UNO situation: http://tinyurl.com/b5694h
Thanks for the link.

To meet the requirements of the SCAC, they actually need to add sports!

http://www.unoprivateers.com/?DB_OEM_ID=4100

I count only 9 sports and no men's fall sport!  They would need to add at least 3 sports, in light of NCAA proposals for D-III schools with greater than 1000 pupils.

How many more sports would  the SCAC want UNO to add?  (M/W soccer?  Softball? M/W Cross Country?  W Golf?)


They might be a better fit for the NAIA Gulf Coast Athletic Conference[/url]. (http://naia.cstv.com/member-services/about/MemberInstitutionsbyConference.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2009, 10:44:31 AM
Conversely, they wouldn't have to give any scholarships, so it should be a net gain, unless they wanted to add football.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2009, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on February 06, 2009, 10:25:58 AM
I'd suspect we will see Centenary do something within the next 18-24 months.   The combination of their academic struggles and the economy isn't going to leave them with many options.   I really don't see how they've managed to stay at the D-I level for so long.

I'd also watch the University of New Orleans.   They were having serious problems pre-Katrina keeping up with the rest of the schools in the Sun Belt.   Now they're facing a conference that has a bunch of schools wanting to improve their standing of their D-I football programs, a mandate from the Sun Belt to add a number of sports to match the rest of the conference, and a substantial reduction in their state funding.  I can quite easily see them killing off most of their program and wanting to move what teams they keep into D-3.

Here's a summary from one of our local TV stations about the UNO situation: http://tinyurl.com/b5694h
Thanks for the link.

To meet the requirements of the SCAC, they actually need to add sports!

http://www.unoprivateers.com/?DB_OEM_ID=4100

I count only 9 sports and no men's fall sport!  They would need to add at least 3 sports, in light of NCAA proposals for D-III schools with greater than 1000 pupils.

How many more sports would  the SCAC want UNO to add?  (M/W soccer?  Softball? M/W Cross Country?  W Golf?)

I doubt the SCAC wants any more schools.  The addition of BSC got them to their stated goal; adding schools would complicate scheduling in most sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2009, 12:28:47 PM
The SCAC had three student-athletes named to their respective CoSIDA/ESPN 2009 Academic All-District Men's Basketball Team.  Congratulations are in order to:

Chad Songy, Millsaps - 1st team, District 6 College Division
* 3.95 GPA, majoring in Business

Danny Noll, Centre - 2nd team, District 4 College Division
* 3.81 GPA, majoring in Economics / pre-dental

Charles Houston, Trinity - 2nd team, District 6 College Division
* 3.37 GPA, majoring in Business Administration

College Division = D2, D3, NAIA. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on February 06, 2009, 12:40:29 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2009, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 10:42:01 AM
I count only 9 sports and no men's fall sport!  They would need to add at least 3 sports, in light of NCAA proposals for D-III schools with greater than 1000 pupils.

How many more sports would  the SCAC want UNO to add?  (M/W soccer?  Softball? M/W Cross Country?  W Golf?)

I doubt the SCAC wants any more schools.  The addition of BSC got them to their stated goal; adding schools would complicate scheduling in most sports.

I realized after hitting "Post" that you could interpret what I wrote as implying that UNO might be a fit for the SCAC and that certainly wasn't my intent.  I think with the economy being as it is that you will see a lot of schools looking at what B-SC did and asking themselves if they shouldn't consider the same move.    

UNO might, with some of the same additions that Ralph suggested, be a good fit into the ASC as then they would match well with UT-D and/or UT-Tyler.    Whatever happens, I hope they can find a reasonable solution.

I'd agree about the SCAC not wanting any more schools.  To be honest (and bring the focus back to our league), the geographic distribution of our league has got to causing some budget pain for our ADs.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2009, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on February 06, 2009, 10:25:58 AM
I'd suspect we will see Centenary do something within the next 18-24 months.   The combination of their academic struggles and the economy isn't going to leave them with many options.   I really don't see how they've managed to stay at the D-I level for so long.

I'd also watch the University of New Orleans.   They were having serious problems pre-Katrina keeping up with the rest of the schools in the Sun Belt.   Now they're facing a conference that has a bunch of schools wanting to improve their standing of their D-I football programs, a mandate from the Sun Belt to add a number of sports to match the rest of the conference, and a substantial reduction in their state funding.  I can quite easily see them killing off most of their program and wanting to move what teams they keep into D-3.

Here's a summary from one of our local TV stations about the UNO situation: http://tinyurl.com/b5694h
Thanks for the link.

To meet the requirements of the SCAC, they actually need to add sports!

http://www.unoprivateers.com/?DB_OEM_ID=4100

I count only 9 sports and no men's fall sport!  They would need to add at least 3 sports, in light of NCAA proposals for D-III schools with greater than 1000 pupils.

How many more sports would  the SCAC want UNO to add?  (M/W soccer?  Softball? M/W Cross Country?  W Golf?)


They might be a better fit for the NAIA Gulf Coast Athletic Conference[/url].
(http://naia.cstv.com/member-services/about/MemberInstitutionsbyConference.htm)
Just curious, do you and Ron see any similar situations going on currently in Texas with any D1 schools? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on February 06, 2009, 01:40:15 PM
Hi all, sorry I haven't posted in a while, I've been out of town quite a bit.  On topic about the SCAC being complacent with 12 teams, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually wanted to INCREASE the number of total schools and create more of a cost efficient "divisional play" scenario.  That's just my opinion though.  I'm sure every conference is looking for best case scenarios for handling their economic situations. 

Also, congrats to Songy, Noll and Houston - not only are they great ball players, but they are great students apparently as well!

In fact, right now I think I have Noll along with Mike Moore and Luke Caldarera as my top three candidates for SCAC POY (obviously I would like to say Caldarera should be POY, but we all know that Trinity players don't put up the stats to be voted POY - for example, possibly the best player to come through the SCAC, Sean Devins)  I'm sure there will be plenty of argument on that, so let the discussion begin...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 06, 2009, 03:49:14 PM
I believe UNO suspended all athletics for next year.  If they come back to athletics it will have to ge at the NAIA or D3 level.  I know thier basketball facilities will be the best or close to the best in either level. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: kid nice on February 06, 2009, 03:49:14 PM
I believe UNO suspended all athletics for next year.  If they come back to athletics it will have to ge at the NAIA or D3 level.  I know thier basketball facilities will be the best or close to the best in either level. 
NAIA is the easiest entry.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on February 06, 2009, 04:44:07 PM
Quote from: kid nice on February 06, 2009, 03:49:14 PM
I believe UNO suspended all athletics for next year. 
Hasn't happened yet.  No reports about it on any of the news outlets here in Louisiana.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2009, 01:26:57 PM

Just curious, do you and Ron see any similar situations going on currently in Texas with any D1 schools? 

A few years back there was speculation about Rice going D3 but they decided they were happy where they were.  As far as schools having academic/financial issues making a transition to a lower division, not really, but Ralph is probably more in tune with the scene than I.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 04:52:52 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2009, 01:26:57 PM

Just curious, do you and Ron see any similar situations going on currently in Texas with any D1 schools? 

A few years back there was speculation about Rice going D3 but they decided they were happy where they were.  As far as schools having academic/financial issues making a transition to a lower division, not really, but Ralph is probably more in tune with the scene than I.
The Rice president used the D3 ploy to raise funds.  Of course, Rice is a big power in baseball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2009, 05:43:31 PM
Thanks - we'll see how things play out in 09 across the country. There may be some less prestigious D1 
schools checking alternatives.   

A side note.....Rice had a nice year in football in a pretty weak football conference.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2009, 05:48:41 PM
QuoteThe Jindal Administration ordered the exercise as a worst case scenario if the predicted $2 billion hole in next year's state budget holds true.

"This is the worst budgetary situation that I have seen in my 32 years here at the University of New Orleans," said UNO Chancellor Tim Ryan. "If this isn't doomsday. I don't know what doomsday is."

The University of New Orleans would take an $18.2 million hit. That would force the lay off of 71 faculty and 142 support staffers -- the equivalent of eliminating 10 academic programs.

In the process, UNO would suspend its sports programs.

As I re-read this, this press release seems to state that this was just a contingency exercise for UNO.

I don't think that it is a done deal.

The UNO web site says that UNO is hosting the Final Four in 2013.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 06, 2009, 06:08:12 PM
Quote from: MM_Fan on February 05, 2009, 08:00:25 PM
Hi All,

If anyone attends the Millsaps vs Austin game Friday, would appreciate any news on the game. It appears that there will be no video/audio/live stats available. Many thanks in advance!

Depending on whether or not I can pick up the internet on my laptop, I'll do my best to report some updates for both the men and the women.  The wireless has been a little hit and miss in there lately, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2009, 07:46:57 PM
Rhodes leads by 3 at the half. The Lynx played focused determined ball in the opening 20 minutes. They were as consistent on the offensive end as I've seen all season. Got some easy baskets on give & go's. Also got Rob Bledsoe involved for some simple shots looking down at the hoop. Ollie has scored a number of different ways. They extended the defensive intensity deeper in the front-court than I've witnessed before. Centre didn't play inspired ball, and Danny Noll got them back to within 3 by scoring 13. This game is clearly up for grabs.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Centre squeeked by Rhodes 73-69. Rhodes played their best game this year from the ones I've seen.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2009, 08:56:20 PM
DPU 75, @ BSC 61.  The Tigers got 29 from Mike Moore (10-of-12 shooting), shot 64% including 79% (11-14) from beyond the arc. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 06, 2009, 08:58:29 PM
SCAC website has Austin up 74-71 over Millsaps with 7 seconds to go.  Come on Blake, hit a long one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 06, 2009, 09:21:50 PM
Someone hit a long one for Millsaps but Austin took the win 78-74.  Millsaps is now 1-6 in SCAC games decided by 5 points or less which includes losses to Trinity, DePauw and Centre.  They had a big man recruited and all set to come to Millsaps and that player changed his mind in the last week and took a D1 scholarship.  One can only wonder what things would be like if this player hadn't changed his mind, but that's all water under the bridge.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2009, 11:46:53 PM
I believe Coach Mason is mentally tired after the game at Mallory tonight between Centre & Rhodes.  This was simply a grinder game for the Colonels, and they barely escaped with victory tonight. Rhodes hasn't been in position often lately where they've had a shot to pull out a close win at the end. Centre's experience helped them get the job done for sure.  After the heartbreaker at home last week against Trinity, this was one that the Colonels had to have, and they got it done.

The Colonels got a nice performance from Danny Noll with 21. TC Thomason came up big at key intervals of the 2nd half for critical baskets. TC was strong on defense in holding the Lynx' star, Cory Smith to 8 pts. Ryan Crowdis made 2 big foul shots late and Lloyd 1 to build the final margin to 4. My star of the game was Alex Lloyd who recorded a double-double - 15 points, 14 boards. Alex played up a storm in the final half after being outplayed by Rhodes' 6'10" post, Rob Bledsoe in the first 20 minutes.

The Lynx had a nice game plan, and were able to exploit the Colonels with their backcourt quickness. They found some effective mismatches throughout where they had some of their wing players dribble-driving on bigger, slower defenders which led to several baskets. Jeff Blumenthal was one of the Rhodes players that was effective at this.

In the end, putting the clamps on Smith in this game was probably the difference tonight.
   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on February 07, 2009, 02:18:48 PM
I do wonder how the travel $ issue is gonna effect the scac school's when even the big dogs in the sports world are hurting:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/feb/06/mu-athletics-feeling-pinch/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 07, 2009, 06:34:03 PM
So as far as player of the year or at least 1st Team All-SCAC consideration goes, I think Kola Alade has to at least be mentioned.  Yes, I'm an Austin College homer, but take into consideration:

17.0 ppg - 3rd in the SCAC
5.3 rpg - 19th in the SCAC
.496 FG% - 6th in the SCAC
3.4 apg - 7th in the SCAC
.770 FT% - 7th in the SCAC
3.4 to 2.5 assist/turnover ratio - 7th in the SCAC
32.3 mpg - 8th in the SCAC

Those are some pretty good numbers right there.  Kola's gotta be at least getting some serious 1st Team All-SCAC consideration, especially when you take into consideration all of his numbers (apart from FG%, which is still .479%, and 3pt %, which is .348%) have gone up in conference play (for the record, his overall 3pt % is .365%).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2009, 09:48:03 AM
I think Alada should be in the running for POTY. Some others to include in the discussion probably are Todd Ward of Oglethorpe, Danny Noll of Centre, and Cory Smith of Rhodes. Trinity's BJ Moon is worthy in my estimation too, though Cunningham teams are usually so balanced it's hard to pick out an individual player. But at the end of the day, I think the winner will be Mike Moore. I think his numbers and what he's doing for DePauw puts him at the top right now.

Later this week I'm going to look at this more closely myself and weigh in on it in more depth.

Hope some others will do the same. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2009, 09:57:54 AM
What I see today -

Millsaps gets a 2 point win at Colorado College;
Austin defeats Hendrix by 5;
DePauw by 10 at Rhodes;
Centre defeats Birmingham Southern by 5

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 08, 2009, 11:04:44 AM
Austin College doesn't provide live stats, audio, or video... right?

Seems like I remember this from the past and can't find any links for today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 08, 2009, 01:06:51 PM
Nope, AC isn't able to do live stats at this time.

I'll try to post some updates if/when I'm actually able to get the internet in Hughey Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 08, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 08, 2009, 01:06:51 PM
Nope, AC isn't able to do live stats at this time.

I'll try to post some updates if/when I'm actually able to get the internet in Hughey Gym.

That's too bad.  Is Austin the only school in the league that doesn't do live stats?   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 08, 2009, 02:41:58 PM
Halftime it's 27-27 here at AC.

King's got 4 points, 6 boards, 3 assists and Foley's got 7 to lead Hendrix.

Alade has 6 points, 5 boards to lead AC, Sturtevant and Bishop each have 5, and Burke has 5 blocked shots already.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2009, 02:51:05 PM
Not live stats from Centre just yet either.

DePauw had what appeared to be an easy time of it today beating Rhodes 82-63 (I only saw the 2nd half). Rhodes looked like they had no energy and must have left it all on the court Friday night against Centre. Today it looked like a strong cohesive team (DPU) playing a tired, weary squad (Rhodes) Moore led the Tigers; Smith led Rhodes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 08, 2009, 08:07:40 PM
Millsaps took a huge must win game at Colorado today, leading at halftime 41-28 and never leading by less than 7 in the second half of a 76-66 victory.  For those who are interested, I'll let you look up the key players, etc, at this link:

http://www.cctigers.com/documents/2009/2/8/MC-CC%20MBB%20box.pdf

It looks like the 4th spot in the West will go to either Millsaps, Southwestern or Colorado.  Here are where they stand and what they have left:

Southwestern:  Currently 4-7.  They go on the road to Hendrix and Millsaps and then host Austin and Colorado.

Millsaps:  Currently 4-8.  They host Triinity and Southwestern and finish up on the road at Hendrix.

Colorado:  Currently 3-9.  They host Austin and then finish on the road at Trinity and Southwestern. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2009, 11:04:12 PM
Didn't get a real good look at DePauw today in my estimation.  They were so far ahead when I got to the game it was hard to read how good they are.  My inclination is to think they're peaking at the right time.  I still had a hard time seeing 5'8" Mike Moore playing the 2-guard most of the second half.  But with th combination of James and Moore, I certainly understand why Moore is in that role.  He didn't have any problem getting open looks against Rhodes, and scored the basketball from a variety of spots. 

DePauw has a nice rotation of players, and the post guys have definitely rounded into form.  This is clearly a team to be reckoned with going down the stretch.  While I think Trinity has a team you want to ride with if the game is close, DePauw has a lot more offensive firepower, and is capable of running anyone out the gym many nights.  Of course, I am hoping Centre will answer the bell next Saturday when they host DePauw.  This will be a typical tug-a-war game between these rivals. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 09, 2009, 08:48:54 AM
Good to see Frank excited about his Majors. They have an exciting weekend ahead in Jackson hosting both Southwestern and Trinity. They also have something to play for so I expect them to be ready to give both opponents good games. The Majors are moving in a positive direction. If they're able to secure a #4 finish, this is a team that could produce an upset at the SCAC tournament this year. 

Another team that made a nice statement Saturday night was Sewanee with the double OT win at home over OU. Sewanee is almost a lock for a #4 spot from the East side. They are continuing to progress nicely.

If any of the higher level squads gets complacent going into the tournament, some of the lower seeds will be ready to knock them off. I have a strong feeling we'll see one or two big surprises in this year's tournament. Parity may in fact rule the day. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on February 09, 2009, 10:23:57 AM
Barring a complete meltdown it looks like Trinity has positioned themselves for a #1 seed in the West.  This makes me very interested in what's going on over in the east.  I had the opportunity to watch Trinity/Sewanee in San Antonio, but I didn't get a chance to make it up to Memphis for the Rhodes game.  Most everyone agrees that Rhodes has as much talent as anybody in this conference.  That's what would be scary if they were to sneak into that #4 seed in the East.  I'd probably rather have Trinity play Sewanee, although they do appear to be playing better since they made the trip down here.  I agree, pbrooks, it looks like there coulud be some potential upsets in this year's tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 09, 2009, 11:08:06 AM
pbrooks, after looking at your picks the past few weeks, I speak on behalf of everyone in Conway when I say thanks for picking us to lose yesterday!   ;D ;D

You know I'm just joking, right!  Keep making the picks.  Good to see a great SCAC fan like you.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 09, 2009, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: hendrixfan on February 09, 2009, 11:08:06 AM
pbrooks, after looking at your picks the past few weeks, I speak on behalf of everyone in Conway when I say thanks for picking us to lose yesterday!   ;D ;D

You know I'm just joking, right!  Keep making the picks.  Good to see a great SCAC fan like you.
Thanks HendrixFan.  It's not that I want to pick against Hendrix; I just pick what I see, and a lot of the time I'm off base & don't have much info or justification for the picks!  I seem to be doing better with picks on the women in the SCAC then the men. 

Actually Hendrix is making some nice noice in the west of late, and perhaps they are setting themselves up to run the table at the SCAC tournament this year in Conway.  Nobody is going to want to play Hendrix in a first round game I can guarantee that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2009, 07:18:07 PM
Latest D3hoops.com Top 25 (http://d3hoops.com/top25/) is out.

11.  Trinity
22.  DePauw
23.  Centre

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on February 10, 2009, 11:31:01 AM
oh wow, when is the last time the SCAC has 3 teams in the SCAC??!!  Looks like we're getting a little bit more love now a days!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2009, 12:47:41 PM
The poll shows that the bottom portion of the top 25 is an unsettling place. By this time next week I'll bet the loser of the DePauw-Centre game drops out of the top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 10, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
The polls are fun for us and exciting for the players...but....We all know they matter little.If Depauw wins this weekend or if Centre prevails we both had better come ready to play in Conway or all we will have left to do is talk the rest of the post season.I look for  a very good game at Danville,but we still have a tough Ogilthorpe and resurgent Sewanee to finish out the conferance play and that wont be easy!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2009, 05:32:43 PM
Brave Heart you hit the nail on the head! Those with aspirations of going beyond the SCAC tourney need to ironically play each remaining game as if it were their last.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 10, 2009, 07:24:02 PM
I think the only team that can hope to get a C is Trinity and they better not lose more than another game (late in the conference championship)  if they want that.  Everyone else has to win the tourney to get in. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2009, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 10, 2009, 07:24:02 PM
I think the only team that can hope to get a C is Trinity and they better not lose more than another game (late in the conference championship)  if they want that.  Everyone else has to win the tourney to get in. 
I'm a bit more optimistic about a 2nd team getting a shot if Trinity wins the SCAC tournament.  I think if either DePauw or Centre gets to the final tourney game without another loss, that team will get an invite.  Centre might have slightly better odds than DePauw because of their recent history combined with their RPI.  I agree Trinity stands the best chance of making the tournament as a Pool C than the 2 I've mentioned.  The only other way any other team makes it to D3 is if they win the SCAC tourney.  Oh, there is one more Pool C entry this year as compared to last year (18 rather than 17). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 12, 2009, 10:38:47 AM
Here are the latest regional rankings:

South Region Overall Record In-Region Record
1. Trinity (Texas) 19-2 16-2
2. Texas-Dallas 18-3 16-3
3. Guilford 17-4 16-4
4. McMurry 15-6 14-4
5. Randolph-Macon 16-5 14-2
6. DePauw 17-5 13-4
7. Centre 17-4 13-4

8. Mississippi College 15-5 13-5
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 13, 2009, 01:25:58 PM
Here's how I see tonight's games:

Colorado College is out of conference at home tonight against U of Dallas - I like CC to win by 4

Oglethorpe will bounce back tonight winning by 15 over Rhodes in Atlanta

Sewanee gets another victory at home against Birmingham Southern by 4

Millsaps gives Trinity a fight, but loses by 5 down the stretch at home

Hendrix beats Southwestern by 11 on the homecourt


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2009, 08:01:16 PM
Millsaps by 13; 17:45 left in the game, 49-36.
Millsaps 51 TU 38 15:30.
Millsaps 54 TU 43 14:00.
Millsaps 59 TU 48 11:50 left.
Millsaps 59 TU 50 9:36 left.
Millsaps 62 TU 52 9:15 left.
Millsaps 62 TU 54 9:02 left.
Millsaps 64 TU 54 8:46 left.
Millsaps 71 TU 58 7:07 left. Technical foul on the Tigers' bench.
Millsaps 71 TU 61 6:10 left.
Millsaps 76 TU 61 5:39 left.
Millsaps 78 TU 64 4:58 left.   TU's Calderara gets his 4th foul.
Millsaps 80 TU 64 3:54 left.
Millsaps 80 TU 67 3:01 left.
Millsaps 82 TU 67 2:27 left.
Millsaps 85 TU 67 2:21 left.
Millsaps 86 TU 67 1:30 left. (Millsaps' announcer wants another 2 possessions before he is comfortable.)
Millsaps 86 TU 67 Final.

SW 42, Hendrix 41 11:50 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 13, 2009, 08:31:02 PM
TU is in trouble tonite!  Southwestern may spoil Millsaps' party by upsetting Hendrix. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 13, 2009, 08:41:04 PM
Let's toast the Majors and Frank tonight! Millsaps wins 86-67.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 13, 2009, 08:48:04 PM
The picture in the South region changed with the Millsaps win over Trinity tonight. Watched some of the game on the web, and the Tigers simply allowed Millsaps to build too large a lead. Trinity doesn't have the firepower to make up large deficits quickly. Of course they did a commendable job at Centre 2 weeks ago, but Centre didn't play smart down the stretch. Majors played well late in the game and hit most of their free throws. Congratulations to the Millsaps squad on a great win. Hendrix was up 3 with a few seconds to play. Trinity will have another toughy on the road tomorrow night in Conway.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 13, 2009, 08:49:44 PM
HendrixFan, have we got a final at Conway. LiveStats is misbehaving!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 13, 2009, 08:52:18 PM
OT in Conway - I love the way the lower tier teams are playing tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 13, 2009, 09:17:04 PM
The beat goes on for the 4th seed in the SCAC West - Southwestern pulls out a big road OT win 75-68. Didn't see that one coming either.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 12:38:30 PM
With Trinity's loss last night, attention now focuses to the DePauw-Centre game at Danville this afternoon. DPU is in an enviable position today of making it a clean sweep of the ranked SCAC teams if it can capture a win today, having beaten both Centre and Trinity at Greencastle earlier. Should the Tigers win, this probably catapults them by Trinity in the overall rankings for the coming week and positions them well to become the #1 seed in the SCAC tournament. On the other hand, the Colonels could gain from a victory, too. They have yet to beat a ranked opponent (top 25) team this season. A win sets them up more favorably for seeding in the tournament. The point is there is plenty of incentive for both teams to get a victory today.
I have said it before that DePauw is playing their best ball right now. Centre and Trinity have each slipped a bit. The Colonels have not played well of late, and they will need a peak performance to beat DPU. Mike Moore will get his points today. The key for Centre will be to shut down the other DePauw options and rebound the basketball better than in recent games. Look for this one to be competitive and close. If DePauw has its offense clicking, the game could get out of hand, but I expect both teams will be ready and a one-sided affair is unlikely. I am hoping the Colonels' defense will outshine the Tiger's offense today. 


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 14, 2009, 02:12:13 PM
Well, Centre's going to win today, and do so pretty spectacularly.  It was 19-0 early,  50-14 at half, and at last check, it was 62-27. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 14, 2009, 02:12:42 PM
50-14 at the half?  I didn't believe it until Wes confirmed it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 14, 2009, 02:12:13 PM
Well, Centre's going to win today, and do so pretty spectacularly.  It was 19-0 early,  50-14 at half, and at last check, it was 62-27. 
Appreciate the update Wes.  For some reason, can't pick up the broadcast on DPU radio via the web.  I certainly wouldn't have predicted this kind of game between these rivals.  I have seen Centre play 3 games over the past 3 weeks, and they have not been playing well.  Perhaps this is their breakout game for the season, and DePauw is the whipping post for this one!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: philip_ponder on February 14, 2009, 02:46:31 PM
For anyone interested, the Oglethorpe/Rhodes game last night was video streamed live using four camera angles with pre-game show, play by play, color commentary, graphics, etc.  The game has been archived and can be watched by going to http://scoreatl.playonsports.com/?eventId=5279  Thanks goes to Rhodes College and the SCAC office for supporting this endeavor.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 14, 2009, 02:12:13 PM
Well, Centre's going to win today, and do so pretty spectacularly.  It was 19-0 early,  50-14 at half, and at last check, it was 62-27. 
Appreciate the update Wes.  For some reason, can't pick up the broadcast on DPU radio via the web.  I certainly wouldn't have predicted this kind of game between these rivals.  I have seen Centre play 3 games over the past 3 weeks, and they have not been playing well.  Perhaps this is their breakout game for the season, and DePauw is the whipping post for this one!
Doing it against your travel partner (and am I correct in assuming that DPU and Centre are fiercest rivals?) is always good for team chemistry.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 14, 2009, 02:50:14 PM
75-50 the final.

Hey, DePauw outscored 'em in the second half.  Ha.

On another note, the fine folks at DPU are aware of the streaming issue, I just don't think there's anything they can do from Danville. It's also the weekend in Greencastle, which probably won't help get that problem corrected any faster.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: philip_ponder on February 14, 2009, 02:46:31 PM
For anyone interested, the Oglethorpe/Rhodes game last night was video streamed live using four camera angles with pre-game show, play by play, color commentary, graphics, etc.  The game has been archived and can be watched by going to http://scoreatl.playonsports.com/?eventId=5279  Thanks goes to Rhodes College and the SCAC office for supporting this endeavor.
Coach, we watched the broadcast on the web last night; it was clear and easy to follow.  Good job.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 14, 2009, 02:12:13 PM
Well, Centre's going to win today, and do so pretty spectacularly.  It was 19-0 early,  50-14 at half, and at last check, it was 62-27. 
Appreciate the update Wes.  For some reason, can't pick up the broadcast on DPU radio via the web.  I certainly wouldn't have predicted this kind of game between these rivals.  I have seen Centre play 3 games over the past 3 weeks, and they have not been playing well.  Perhaps this is their breakout game for the season, and DePauw is the whipping post for this one!
Doing it against your travel partner (and am I correct in assuming that DPU and Centre are fiercest rivals?) is always good for team chemistry.
That's worthy of karma for sure!

Talked with one of my buddies from Centre a few minutes ago.  Colonels were ready for this one today and started so strong that DePauw couldn't recover.  This was probably the Colonels' top game of the season from its starting unit.  Coach Mason actually called off the dogs in the 2nd half, and DePauw cut the margin of Centre's victory down some.  This is clearly a big win for Centre.  DePauw will probably need to win the SCAC tournament to go further with their season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 14, 2009, 06:20:08 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: philip_ponder on February 14, 2009, 02:46:31 PM
For anyone interested, the Oglethorpe/Rhodes game last night was video streamed live using four camera angles with pre-game show, play by play, color commentary, graphics, etc.  The game has been archived and can be watched by going to http://scoreatl.playonsports.com/?eventId=5279  Thanks goes to Rhodes College and the SCAC office for supporting this endeavor.
Coach, we watched the broadcast on the web last night; it was clear and easy to follow.  Good job.

Check out Ward's dunk right after the 1 hour 14 minute mark in the broadcast...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 08:28:00 PM
Trinity and Hendrix have gone to OT. Ragged game for both squads, but you'd expect that on a Friday/Saturday back-to-back.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
Hendrix and Trinity tied at 67 with less than 0:49 left in OT!


It appears that Trinity wins 71-67.  (Last entry on Livestats is 0:03 secs. Turnover-Trinity)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 08:38:37 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 08:28:00 PM
Trinity and Hendrix have gone to OT. Ragged game for both squads, but you'd expect that on a Friday/Saturday back-to-back.
Friday-Saturday back-to-back does get one ready for tournament play.  It is just the 5 hour bus ride in the middle that makes it tough!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 08:51:03 PM
Trinity pulls out a victory in OT at Conway 71-67. A very hard weekend of games for Cunnungham's crew, but they escaped with one as they needed win tonight. Good foul shooting in OT for Trinity. Charles Houston was a difference maker getting rebounds and loose balls. Trinity ought to encourage him to drive the ball more to the basket. He's an unselfish player that fits well into Coach Cunningham's style of play. TU probably stays #1 in the league, but Centre is creeping up on them.
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Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 14, 2009, 09:00:27 PM
I have just returned from the Centre game, and am still amazed. I have been watching Centre play for many years, and have also been a Kentucky season ticket holder for over 40 years, and Centre's first half against a good DePauw team was the finest college basketball both offense and defense that I have ever seen. With a little over 11 minutes to go in the first half, Centre led 22-0. Halftime score was 50-14. The second half was very physical and somewhat sloppy, and the refs went out of there way not to call fouls. It was as if they wanted the game to get over fast. Of course in D3 and this league, the same thing could happen to Centre next weekend. Congrats to the Centre girls who continue to get better every weekend, and were obviously inspired by the boys with their upset win over the nationally ranked DePauw girls.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 14, 2009, 09:00:27 PM
I have just returned from the Centre game, and am still amazed. I have been watching Centre play for many years, and have also been a Kentucky season ticket holder for over 40 years, and Centre's first half against a good DePauw team was the finest college basketball both offense and defense that I have ever seen. With a little over 11 minutes to go in the first half, Centre led 22-0. Halftime score was 50-14. The second half was very physical and somewhat sloppy, and the refs went out of there way not to call fouls. It was as if they wanted the game to get over fast. Of course in D3 and this league, the same thing could happen to Centre next weekend. Congrats to the Centre girls who continue to get better every weekend, and were obviously inspired by the boys with their upset win over the nationally ranked DePauw girls.
Thanks for the eyewitness account on this game.  I made no bones about it throughout the week that I was concerned about the Colonels and the way they have been playing of late.  It was a tremendous relief to know they played so well today.  While I should never have doubted Coach Mason's ability to get his teams prepared for big games, I did not see a 25 point victory in the cards today against DePauw.  A big day all around for the Colonel faithful with victories over two top 25 squads.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2009, 06:11:50 PM
In a game that might have only been of great interest to the participants, Millsaps edged Southwestern in a must have home game this afternoon.  The final score was 83-73 but I believe SW cut a 15-18 point Millsaps lead down to just 1 in the second half and the game was certainly up for grabs going into the final couple of minutes.

This puts Millsaps at 6-8 with a road trip to Hendrix remaining.  Southwester falls to 5-8 but they have two home games left (Austin and Colorado) so they can get to 7 wins and regain the 4th spot in the SCAC West if Millsaps loses at Hendrix.  I believe Millsaps has the tiebreaker if the teams end with the same record.

Here's a link for the boxscore, etc for the game:  http://www.gomajors.com/custompages/MBB/2008-09/stats/mcm08-24.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2009, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2009, 06:11:50 PM
In a game that might have only been of great interest to the participants, Millsaps edged Southwestern in a must have home game this afternoon.  The final score was 83-73 but I believe SW cut a 15-18 point Millsaps lead down to just 1 in the second half and the game was certainly up for grabs going into the final couple of minutes.

This puts Millsaps at 6-8 with a road trip to Hendrix remaining.  Southwester falls to 5-8 but they have two home games left (Austin and Colorado) so they can get to 7 wins and regain the 4th spot in the SCAC West if Millsaps loses at Hendrix.  I believe Millsaps has the tiebreaker if the teams end with the same record.
Here's a link for the boxscore, etc for the game:  http://www.gomajors.com/custompages/MBB/2008-09/stats/mcm08-24.htm

Watched some of this on the web today - Millsaps is a dangerous team if they get in the tournament.  They've been playing well the past several weeks.  The question is whether they get in.  I believe you're correct Frank if they are tied with Southwestern at reguular season's end for the final slot.  However, look at things next weekend in terms of the home teams winning.  Southwestern wins 2 at home for a 7-8 record and a 3rd seed.  Austin loses at Trinity and Southwestern finishing with a 6-9 record.  Millsaps loses at Hendrix finishing 6-9.  Millsaps would lose to Austin because of going 0-2 head-to-head with Austin.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 16, 2009, 08:41:03 AM
pbrooks3, I really hadn't thought about Austin as the team that might fall to 5th because I've been focused on what it will take for Millsaps to get ahead of Southwestern.  What Millsaps really needs to do is win on the road at Hendrix, something that isn't easy to do.  One thing that might be going for Millsaps is that they have basically won 3 elimination games in a row since they faced must win situations at Colorado, and against Trinity and Southwestern.  Now they need to finish the job with one more win. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 16, 2009, 11:37:57 AM
Frank, Millsaps is on a nice roll.  Hendrix is reeling a bit after losing 2 OT affairs at home over the weekend. It's hard to predict how the Warriors will play next weekend. Hendrix has a habit of giving up leads when seemingly in control in the 2nd half of games. They sometimes play their 2nd halves as if they're trying to preserve leads instead of playing attacking, aggressive basketball. On paper, Hendrix should win against Millsaps. But we know better - that's why they play the game! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2009, 09:15:11 PM
Top 25 this week is down to 2 SCAC teams - Trinity #14 and Centre #17. DePauw drops out.

I for one don't believe we've heard the last of DePauw. Of course, I believe they'll have to run the table to make the D3 tourney. I would be curious to get Wes' or someone else who follows DePauw basketball to give their take on what happened at Centre Saturday. Several of my Centre friends told me the Colonels played their best game of the season against DePauw. Was it all Centre, or was DePauw just a tad bit flat, too?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 17, 2009, 11:36:38 PM
The SCAC accounted for 40% of the latest D3hoops.com Team of the Week (http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/09/feb15.htm):

Chad Songy, Millsaps

Songy became the second player in school history to have back-to-back 100-assist seasons, dishing out 15 assists against one turnover in home wins against No. 11 Trinity (Texas) and Southwestern that kept Millsaps in the hunt for a conference tournament berth. He shot 7-for-14 from three-point range and 4-for-4 from the line.


Todd Ward, Oglethorpe

Ward recorded 27 points and 11 rebounds along with four assists and three blocks in a win vs. Rhodes and then posted an almost identical 27 points and 11 rebounds to go with four blocks in a win against Birmingham-Southern. He shot 65.6 percent from the floor, 2-for-5 from three-point range and 10-for-11 from the line.

Congratulations to both young men!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 18, 2009, 01:01:38 AM
Funny thing is... neither of them won player of the week for the SCAC- that went to Songy's teamate Chris Sanders!  Go Figure.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 18, 2009, 07:46:10 AM
In reality this Depauw team could have played its best 20 min this season and not have been able to keep pace with Centre's first half performance.Was Depauw flat?Yes, but that does not explain a 22-0 start or a 50-14 halftime score.Hats of to a very good Centre team,but I have to tell you that loss will stick with these Depauw players and  I expect a different game  if they meet again this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2009, 09:07:52 AM
Agreed that any potential 3rd game between these rivals will be a different one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 18, 2009, 10:28:34 AM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on February 18, 2009, 01:01:38 AM
Funny thing is... neither of them won player of the week for the SCAC- that went to Songy's teamate Chris Sanders!  Go Figure.

All three of the players mentioned were deserving of recognition at some level and it's quite an honor for Chad and Todd to make the national team of the week. 

As the uncle of a former Millsaps point guard, I know how PG's often contribute in many ways without getting a lot of recognition unless they shoot first, pass later.  Therefore, I was really pleased to see Chad receive this honor.  I was also pleased because he is such a great example of the best of D3 student-athletes.  I know he just received some type of ESPN recognition for academics (somewhere close to a 4.0) and I throughly enjoyed watching Chad perform in the fall at a comedy show he put together to raise money for a Mississippi adoption agency.  He will be missed in many ways when he graduates from Millsaps this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on February 19, 2009, 10:33:06 AM
Any big matchups on the weekend?  It looks like the Hendrix/Millsaps game is a huge one for Millsaps.  Southwestern seems to have their fate in their own hands with two wins this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 19, 2009, 02:56:55 PM
Oglethorpe will play DPU and Centre this weekend with the outcomes of those games determining 1,2,3 seeding for the conference tournament.  Last year Oglethorpe won at Depauw snapping a very long home winning streak or conference home win streak.  I'm sure the Tigers will be ready for this one, especially after the beating they took from Centre.

I don't think Oglethorpe will catch Centre sleeping but if the Petrels stick close the first half they could steal one in Danville.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2009, 03:17:12 PM
Oglethorpe could help itself if it somehow wins both road games this weekend. DPU would also have accomodate by losing to Sewanee, too.  If they win both & DePauw loses 2, they would tie DePauw and get a #2 seed based on head-to-head with DPU. A #2 would probably set them up to avoid playing the host school in the opening round of the SCAC tournament. It looks pretty likely to me that OU will play Hendrix in the tourney opener, not an enviable position to be in.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 19, 2009, 03:54:57 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on February 19, 2009, 10:33:06 AM
Any big matchups on the weekend?  It looks like the Hendrix/Millsaps game is a huge one for Millsaps.  Southwestern seems to have their fate in their own hands with two wins this weekend

Here's the way I understand the Millsaps, Austin, and Southwestern situation:

Current records:  Austin is 6-7, Millsaps is 6-8, Southwestern is 5-8.

Games left:  Austin at Southwestern and Trinity; Southwestern hosts Austin and Colorado; Millsaps plays at Hendrix.

Scenarios:

--- If Austin wins at Southwestern Friday, then Southwestern is eliminated.  Millsaps could not catch Austin for the 3rd spot and I'm not sure if Austin can catch Hendrix for the 2nd spot.

---If Southwestern wins Friday and against Colorado, then Millsaps gets the 4th spot if they win at Hendrix UNLESS Austin beats Trinity.  If this happens, then there's a 3-way tie for 3rd and I believe Millsaps loses the head-to-head tiebreaker.

---If Austin loses both games, Millsaps wins at Hendrix and Southwestern beats Colorado, then Austin is eliminated. 

There are other scenarios but the above three show that a lot can happen between the three teams.  The key is that Friday night game in Georgetown.  Southwestern has to win and Austin is in a precarious position if they don't win.  I definitely will be keeping an eye on that game as it unfolds.  And yes, at the moment I'm a big Austin fan!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2009, 12:17:52 PM
At tonight's game between Sewanee and Centre in Danville, the Colonels' athletic department is hoping to make the game available (both men's and women's games) via Live Stats.  They will also attempt to do this for the Sunday games with Oglethorpe.  If they're able to get everything coordinated, etc., there should be a link later today via the Centre Athletic website.  Be on the lookout at the following website for this link:

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/schedule_basketballm.html
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 20, 2009, 03:13:15 PM
The link for tonight's game is already up.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2009, 06:32:07 PM
Earlier in the year Southwestern had live stats.  Now it looks like all they have is live video for a fee.  Is there any way to get updates on this game without paying for video?  If not, it would be appreciated if someone with the video would post the halftime and final score with whatever else you want to throw in.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 20, 2009, 07:32:26 PM
Frank, they're occasionally updating the score on the SCAC web site, check http://www.scacsports.com/calendar.  18-10 Southwestern w/8:09 left in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 20, 2009, 07:42:09 PM
Anyone else believe that tonight's performance won Mike Moore the POTY?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2009, 07:44:19 PM
Austin is up at the half 30-28.  Pretty fair game; it's on CTV (College TV Ticket).  Frank, you should pay a 30 day subscription for CTV and you could watch the remainder of this game, and pick up the Millsaps-Hendrix games tomorrow on it.

Don't know about others, but it was smooth sailing tonight with Centre's athletic department posting live stats flawlessly in the Colonels 65-35 win over Sewanee.  Was able to follow the action through my PC and mobile device.  Appreciate the effort.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2009, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on February 20, 2009, 07:42:09 PM
Anyone else believe that tonight's performance won Mike Moore the POTY?
I thought on the basis of 3 POTW honors, and inspite of the 9 turnovers at Centre last week, he's got it in the bag.  I think Todd Ward finishes #2.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2009, 08:30:59 PM
Looks like Southwestern is going to beat Austin if they convert free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2009, 08:36:13 PM
55-46 Southwestern.  I think this is the outcome Frank was looking for.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2009, 09:49:24 PM
Well not exactly.  Now I have to switch from "Go Roos" to "Go Tigers", plus a "Go Colorado" in case the Tigers don't come through, and of course there's the always "Go Majors". 

Millsaps must win tomorrow to get in the SCAC Tournament and they can't have a 3-way tie between Austin, Millsaps and Southwestern.  At least that's the way I understand it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2009, 09:19:14 AM
As for the Majors, they have a chance to control their destiny today at Hendrix. This team has been playing some of its best basketball at season's end, and they have the tag "Giant Killers" written all over them. Only problem is they've got to get into the tournament first to play out their role.  I'll go out on a limb & say Millsaps gets it done today at Hendrix by 3 points. The Hendrix partisans will probably be happy with my prognostication because I've usually been wrong with my predictions on the Warriors this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2009, 10:29:44 AM
Maybe the one plus Millsaps has going for them is that they have won 3 straight "tournament games" already.  They had to win at Colorado College and against Trinity and Southwestern to keep their hopes alive and they have responded with some great basketball.  Now they have to win at Hendrix and they will need Trinity to play like they are trying to keep an at-large berth as a possibility--which is what they do have riding on their game with Austin.

I expect a close game at Hendrix with it being Senior Day (Ryan Wible, Andrew King and David Foley).  I remember when the Millsaps team of 1999-00 (I think that was the year) needed a win at Rhodes in the final game to get into the NCAA Tournament.  Rhodes wasn't great, but it was Senior Day and Neal Power got 40+ points in his last game as a Lynx.  Millsaps barely won.  I wouldn't mind if Andrew King gets 40+ points today as long as Millsaps barely wins--all I care about is a Millsaps victory.

It's a big day for Millsaps athletics and I'm going to list the 3 things I'll be trying to keep up with here so I'll have one spot for everything.  Maybe it will help someone else:

Softball:  Millsaps plays at LA College at 1:00 and LC is ranked from 1 to 3 in the preseason polls.  I can't find a live stats link but the LC softball page is:  http://www.lcwildcats.net/index.asp?path=softball

Basketball:  Men play at Hendrix at 1, women at 3.  Both Millsaps teams need to win to keep the SCAC Tournament hopes alive.  Here's the Hendrix link to all the video, live stats, etc (and I must say, their Hendrix Warrior mascot outfit looks good--I like their new logo):  http://www.hendrix.edu/Athletics/

Baseball:  Millsaps plays a DH at Southwestern starting at 2:00 and the link to the Millsaps webcast is in my signature below (click on the blog link and see photos of my new grandniece--I'm not sure if anyone is still around who remembers my nephew Travis, the point guard on the above mentioned NCAA team).  It's possible that the first game will feature the first two SCAC Pitchers of the Week going head-to-head and the first two SCAC Offensive players (Will Hawkins and Hunter Owen) will be in the center of the Millsaps batting order.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on February 21, 2009, 11:09:38 AM
Pbrooks, in my opinion Danny Noll looks to be the runner up for POY.  Mike Moore definitely has it in the bag though, so I guess it really doesn't matter.  Here's a good question, who rounds out SCAC first team?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2009, 03:12:47 PM
Hate to see fouls being such a big factor at Hendrix.  Still have 13 minutes to go and Millsaps has 2 starters with 4 fouls and 2 more starters with 3 fouls. 

Hendrix leads 60-54 with just under 13 minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2009, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2009, 03:12:47 PM
Hate to see fouls being such a big factor at Hendrix.  Still have 13 minutes to go and Millsaps has 2 starters with 4 fouls and 2 more starters with 3 fouls. 

Hendrix leads 60-54 with just under 13 minutes to go.
Looks like Blake Martinez or Chad Songy need to light it pretty soon.  Time is running short for the Majors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2009, 03:23:40 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on February 21, 2009, 11:09:38 AM
Pbrooks, in my opinion Danny Noll looks to be the runner up for POY.  Mike Moore definitely has it in the bag though, so I guess it really doesn't matter.  Here's a good question, who rounds out SCAC first team?
My 1st team would have to be:

Mike Moore
Todd Ward
Luke Caldarera
Danny Noll
Cory Smith

Kola Alade would be the 6th man
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 03:53:22 PM
Hendrix 88, Millsaps 81
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 21, 2009, 07:30:11 PM
For the second straight night, Trinity has jumped out to a huge early lead.  With 6:36 remaining in the opening half it's 35-12.

Edit:  51-21 at the half.  AC had 11 turnovers.

Final, Trinity 88, AC 55.   BJ Moon led Trinity with 16, Michael Tobolowsky added 14.  Chris Sturtevant had 10 for AC , Kola Alade 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 21, 2009, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2009, 09:19:14 AM
I'll go out on a limb & say Millsaps gets it done today at Hendrix by 3 points. The Hendrix partisans will probably be happy with my prognostication because I've usually been wrong with my predictions on the Warriors this season.

pbrooks, if you will pick Hendrix to lose each time they play in next week's tournament, I'll see to it that you are compensated by the college!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2009, 10:42:14 PM
HendrixFan, I've been paying Hendrix tuition for the past 4 years - I'll certainly look forward a credit on this!  Seriously, this win today hopefully sets up Hendrix for a potentially nice tournament run.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
Just a note - Centre will again have Live Stats available today on its website for the Oglethorpe game. There's probably a link as well on the SCAC site.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2009, 01:55:23 PM
Close game at the half in Danville - Centre leads 35-34. Oglethorpe is getting second chance points with 9 offensive rebounds. Todd Ward has 9 points and 7 boards. Ryan Crowdis has just 3 points for Centre but he's got 6 boards and 6 assists. TC Thomason has 12, Danny Noll has 10 and Chris Bentley has contributed 9 with 3 3-pointers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2009, 02:46:49 PM
Centre picks up their 20th win of the season with an 81-71 win over Oglethorpe.  Todd Ward put a double-double together (26 points, 12 rebounds and 4-6 on 3's) to make it a hard earned win for the Colonels.  Centre canned 17-36 from behind the arc with Chris Bentley getting 8 of them.  Danny Noll pitched in 18 points with 4 3's, TC Thomason had 17 (3 3's) and Ryan Crowdis scored a double-double of his own with 10 assists and 15 points.  The Colonels evened things out in the 2nd half on the  boards as both teams ended with 31 rebounds.  Alex Lloyd had a 8 rebounds for Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2009, 02:52:33 PM
Here's what I believe the SCAC seedings are for next week in Conway:

West
Trinity #1
Hendrix #2
Southwestern #3
Austin #4

East
Centre #1
DePauw #2
Oglethorpe #3
Sewanee #4

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 22, 2009, 04:16:31 PM
I'd say you're correct Mr. Brooks.  Here's the bracket from the home office:

QuoteFriday - Quarterfinals at Conway High School
1 p.m. CT - #1W Trinity (13-2/22-3) vs. #4E Sewanee (4-10/7-18)
3 p.m. CT - #2E DePauw (11-3/19-6) vs. #3W Southwestern (7-8/16-9)
6 p.m. CT - #1E Centre (12-2/20-4) vs. #4W Austin College (6-9/13-12)
8 p.m. CT - #2W Hendrix (9-6/16-9) vs. #3E Oglethorpe (7-7/16-9)

Saturday - Semifinals at Hendrix College
5 p.m. CT - Winner #1W/#4E vs. Winner #2E/#3W
7 p.m. CT - Winner #1E/#4W vs. Winner #2W/#3E

Sunday - Finals at Hendrix College
2:30 p.m. CT - Winner 5 p.m. Semifinal vs. Winner 7 p.m. Semifinal

Bad thing about being that #2 in the East is that you pretty much have to go through Trinity AND Centre to win the whole thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2009, 08:36:45 PM
Another fine regular season chocked up by the Centre Men finishing with a 20-4 record.  The road record this season was outstanding with a single 4 point loss at DePauw.  Two close losses at home to outstanding teams from Transylvania and Trinity.  Coach Mason, staff and players are to be commended. 

Today's finale had seniors TC Thomason, Ryan Crowdis and Kris Bentley all making big plays.  Good performances were turned in as well from senior backups Kameron McRay and Beau Braden.  Of course, we hope that these seniors might advance beyond SCAC tournament action and have a chance to play on further, and maybe with some good fortune play a bit more before the home folks!  We'll just have to wait & see.

These seniors have experienced some run with three straight 20 win seasons and two 2nd round NCAA appearances.  So anything further these men put together in their Centre careers on the hardwood will be like "frosting on the cake" as far as I am concerned.

I will look forward to watching these five young men play in Conway Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on February 22, 2009, 10:18:10 PM
Have not seen the Colonels since the very first game of Transy's year....wow,  seems like forever, but I think the colonels have a great shot at another SCAC Tourney Championship in Conway, AR.  Good luck and make KY proud!  Coach Mason always seems to get the best out of them late in the year.....  rooting for Transy in HCAC but GO KENTUCKY D-III Schools!!!








 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2009, 08:34:32 AM
kyballr, thanks for visiting the SCAC board. I didn't see the Transy win at Centre, but one of my friends who did commented that Transy had an excellent team, and thought they would finish high in the Heartland this season. Centre has had another solid season following the Tranzy game. The SCAC tournament looks to me to be among 4 teams as to a winner - Trinity, DePauw, Centre and Hendrix.  We'll see what happens - 2nd round games and beyond are played on Hendrix's homecourt.
If both Transy and Centre get into the post-season D3 mix, I expect these 2 might get matched up again. Should Transy win their conference tournament, I got a feeling they'll be hosting 1st round in Lexington and Centre might be placed there, too. Still a lot of cards to deal yet, but a possibility anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 23, 2009, 11:37:41 AM
Here is the website for the SCAC men's tourney:

http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/content.aspx?id=38292

There will be free live stats and pricey live video. 

I guess they're having to have the men's quarters at a local HS because the women's quarters are at Hendrix. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2009, 02:01:31 PM
Ron, you are correct on the quarters. Last year at Hendrix, the Ladies' quarters were at a local high school. So they flip-flopped things this year with the men doing the honors. One additional difference is this year's high school. Conway High is a new venue for the quarters; I'll be surprised if Conway's gym isn't larger than Hendrix's - Conway HS is one of the largest high schools in the state. This is not to slight Hendrix's facility - they have a 1st rate athletic complex that contains something like 1,100 chair-backs in the gym. If last year's tourney in Conway is any indication, no one game will probably draw more than 600-650, so there will be plenty of room.

Curious on the Live Video; is there a separate price just for tournament games?  They had something like a 30-day offering for $9.99 that included   the schools in the plan and the various sports they had set up for video. I watched 2 Hendrix basketball games and another one from Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 23, 2009, 03:10:17 PM
The only thing I saw was the $79.99 yearly option.  I didn't want to provide the laundry list of info they want to sign up to get more info.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2009, 07:26:33 PM
Before the focus shifts totally to the SCAC Tournament (as it should), I'd like to get in one last post about Millsaps. 

Prior to the season, if you had looked at the stats of returning players and the rosters to check out height and classification, most people would have expected a big down year at Millsaps.  After all, you  only had two returning starters (Chad Songy and Chris Sanders), and three role players who saw some playing time in 2007-08 (Blake Martinez @13 mpg, Cameron Varnado @12 mpg, and Russell Booth @8 mpg).  Those were the only 5 from the 2007-08 team that played the bulk of this season.  That left Chris Ingle coming off a medical redshirt and a handful of freshmen to fill out the roster (some of last year's freshmen started the year but none completed the season).

There's no question that Millsaps came into this year lacking experience and depth.  Where their talent level stacked up compared to other teams in the league is something I'll leave for others to decide.  It was a team that most wouldn't have expected to reach the tournament and that proved to be the case, but they were oh so close in so many games:

--Millsaps lost at Trinity (W1) by 5 early in the season before beating them at Millsaps.
--Centre (E1) hits a 3-pointer with .3 seconds left to edge Millsaps 59-56.
--DePauw(E2) gets a putback basket with 2 seconds left to send the game into OT, finally winning 85-83.
--Millsaps lost by 2-points and 4-points to Austin.  In SCAC play, Millsaps ended up 2-6 in games decided by 5 points or less and that number was 1-4 in games decided by 3 points or less.

As we all know, a loss is a loss regardless of the margin.  By the same token, a 9-16 season is 7 games under .500 regardless of who you lost from the previous season.  But in some ways, a 9-16 season can be just as impressive as a 28-4 season that results in a trip to the NCAA Final Eight.  From the standpoint of playing hard, making the most of their ability, and doing everything within their power to win ball games, the 2008-09 Millsaps team was no step down from the 2007-08 group.  That goes for the players and for the coaches.

Personally, I doubt that Millsaps had much of a chance to win the tournament in Conway this weekend.  Expecting them to win 3 tough games in 3 days would be too much to ask for a team with their limited depth.  I just wish they had gotten there as a reward for continuing to battle when it looked like they were getting every bad break that a team could get.  They wouldn't have won the tournament, but they would have given someone a heck of a first round game. 

And finally, since I plan to get out of the way and let the tournament team fans do the posting, I want to wish the SCAC representative(s) in the NCAA Tournament the best of luck this year.  I hope you play well and get that break or two that is needed to go a long way.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 23, 2009, 07:54:50 PM
Conway High has a really nice gymnasium.  This link might provide a glimpse of what we're talking about:

http://bluedogphotos.smugmug.com/gallery/7113557_giGm4#456124489_RtvEd

Hopefully that works.  And for those who visit Conway this week and wonder what a "Wampus Cat" is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wampus_cat

Conway plays in 7A, Arkansas' largest classification.  It is too bad that all the teams won't play at Hendrix,  but playing at Conway high will definitely not be a letdown as far as facilities are concerned.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 23, 2009, 08:27:11 PM
Very nice post Frank and quite accurate.Millsaps has a very good team,in fact as a DPU fan that has seen every game this year,I would have rather faced any non #1 seed team than Millsaps.This includes the "home" tournament team that defeated us this season. A basket here or a miss there and Depauw,Centre and Trinty would not be where they are.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2009, 09:31:09 PM
Ron, here's the text from the video provider on the $9.99 30-day trial. As I said, I did this about 10 days ago to see several games. Since I'll be in Conway for the SCAC tournament, I won't be plugged in watching video on my laptop, but the subscription still covers things through mid-March for me. Incidently I've done as indicated to cancel my subscription beyond the 30-day trial.


MESSAGE FROM COLLEGE TV TICKET


Unless you wish to view the games for the whole year, I would suggest a one
month subscription.  You will receive all content for the 30 day period. This
subscription automatically renews at the end of the month but you can prevent
the renewal and additional $9.99 charge by going into your preferences and
clicking the "Cancel Subscription" option.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2009, 07:04:58 PM
The 2009 SCAC tournament at this point hasn't exactly incited a riot of comments on this board!  Any projections and thoughts on this?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on February 25, 2009, 07:47:47 PM
I was thinking the same thing Pbrooks.  My predictions are:

Trinity over Sewanee
DePauw over Southwestern
Hendrix over Oglethorpe
Centre over Austin

Trinity over DePauw
Centre over Hendrix

Trinity over Centre

Obviously, I have no upsets or anything exciting happening in my predictions.  I think Trinity picked their game back up this past weekend and will ride some of that momentum into the tournament.  DePauw and Centre are also playing very good basketball right now, so it wouldn't surprise me if any 3 of these teams win.  Sorry Hendrix fans, I just don't think Hendrix is deep enough to win 3 games in a road, even if it is at home.

any other thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2009, 10:51:20 PM
Walter17, you and pundits are consistent. I will be surprised if DePauw doesn't come to play this weekend. I think the game between DePauw and Trinity that will be worth watching. I share some of your sentiments on Hendrix. I'm not sure it is so much a depth issue; simply seems it's an inconsistency abouting finishing games. One would clearly expect them to play inspiring basketball in this tournament. They were very competitive last year and gave Millsaps a heck of a game in the semi-finals.

One thing about Hendrix I can say if I predict they'll win, they lose, and visa-versa.

Though I am not making a prediction just yet, I believe DePauw might topple Trinity.

Do we have any posters attending the tournament? I know HendrixFan will be there.  I am going. Anyone else? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 26, 2009, 09:55:15 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2009, 10:51:20 PM
I share some of your sentiments on Hendrix. I'm not sure it is so much a depth issue; simply seems it's an inconsistency abouting finishing games. One would clearly expect them to play inspiring basketball in this tournament. They were very competitive last year and gave Millsaps a heck of a game in the semi-finals.



Agreed.  Hendrix has some guys on the bench who played a lot last year and have been very solid in their limited minutes this year.  The problem isn't depth. 

I think playing at Conway High is a bad draw for the Warriors.  Hendrix would have had a strong and loud student following for an 8:00 Friday night game against Oglethorpe, but the HC student body won't make the trip across town.  There probably won't be 250 people total at the game Friday.
(I will go on the record, however, as saying a neutral site is much more fair for everyone involved).

I've seen several reasons why the Warriors have lost so many close games this year (I won't mention them here).  I won't be surprised if Hendrix wins the tournament or loses in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 26, 2009, 12:59:54 PM
I think we will see a Depauw Centre rematch.I know every game is going to be tough and we can't overlook anyone along the way.Trinity has been shown to be beatable as has Centre and of course Depauw.I will be there for the weekend games and look for some real interesting games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2009, 12:13:47 AM
HendrixFan, you're right on from what my son tells me about the Hendrix student body and their spectating involvement with sporting events on campus. The strength of a liberal arts institution sometimes runs counter to the student spirit for sporting events, and that's ok. It is too bad when the college plays host and the students are lukewarm to the tournament. Who knows - maybe we'll be surprised. And perhaps the Warriors will open some eyes on the basketball court, too!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 27, 2009, 02:13:19 PM

Is anyone able to listen to the webcast of the current game(TU vs. UOS)?  My link keeps kicking me off line.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: michaelscott on February 27, 2009, 02:28:28 PM
On a different note is anyone able to watch either the TU men's or women's SCAC 1st round tournament games on the advertised CTVT? I am unable to watch either as it seems there is a computer problem with CTVT that will not allow them to stream. Very dissappointing....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 27, 2009, 03:02:33 PM
The Championship Gym seems to be working... but not the Mens...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2009, 03:20:21 PM
Trinity's in danger of going one-and-out, down three with a few minutes late to Sewanee.   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 03:27:40 PM
Sewanee ball 0:08 left. Game is tied at 45.  Prestosports is hung at 0:08.

?OT!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2009, 03:29:35 PM
Live stats aren't updating ...according to scacsports.com the game is going into OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 03:31:14 PM
W&L beat Guilford in 2OT!  This is fun, especially after my team has already won today!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2009, 03:35:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 03:31:14 PM
W&L beat Guilford in 2OT!  This is fun, especially after my team has already won today!   ;)

Yes, Ralph, we notice you over here taking great joy whenever one of the SCAC leaders takes a pratfall. 

Sewanee's up by one with a minute to play in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2009, 03:41:48 PM
Trinity pulls a win out after trailing by 4 with 8 seconds left.

Johnathan Lewis hits a three with 7.1 secs left.

Sewanee inbounds to a 51% FT shooter who's fouled immediately

1-and-1, FT no good, BJ Moon takes it coast to coast and the ball falls in as time runs out.

Gotta play better tomorrow.   >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3allstar on February 27, 2009, 03:51:09 PM
WOW! I think the video came on briefly at the end... we will see how it is going for the Pirates game... anyone thinking the Pirates can pull an upset?? I see the tigers losing a close one today...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2009, 03:35:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 03:31:14 PM
W&L beat Guilford in 2OT!  This is fun, especially after my team has already won today!   ;)

Yes, Ralph, we notice you over here taking great joy whenever one of the SCAC leaders takes a pratfall. 

Sewanee's up by one with a minute to play in OT.
;D  Playing the "Pool C/first round hosting privileges" game here.

Does an early Trinity departure help with in getting to host the first round?

Lots of considerations here.

There is "serious D3 fandom" going on.   ;)   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 27, 2009, 03:57:17 PM
Well after the Trinity game anything is possible,but don't bet agaainst Depauw on this one D3 allstar
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 27, 2009, 04:06:01 PM
I was having the same problems, not being able to get the video link to work for the TU v. Sewanee games.  Now the Southwestern/Depauw games have video but the quality is terrible!  The color and hue seem to resemble gasoline spilled in water and I cant even recognize which team is which.  Is anyone else having the same problems or gotten CTVT to respond to e-mail requests?  I've already sent 2 emails!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2009, 04:24:55 PM
Southwestern out to an early 18-12 lead.  I saw these guys play Trinity a couple of times and they can get it done.  They have a tiny PG (Anthony Cox, listed as 5'5") who always seems to wreak havoc against the Tigers.   They also can get it going from beyond the arc, always a two-edged sword but if they get hot, look out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2009, 05:28:30 PM
6:21 left, Southwestern now leads DePauw, 60-48.  8-13 from beyond the arc isn't hurting (DPU: 4-17). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 05:36:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2009, 05:28:30 PM
6:21 left, Southwestern now leads DePauw, 60-48.  8-13 from beyond the arc isn't hurting (DPU: 4-17). 
Oh wow!   ???

Okay, McMurry is ahead of them in the Regional Rankings. DePauw might drop off the Final Regional Rankings, which drops a regionally ranked game for TU, which may drop them in the Final Rankings.

That may make the difference in the hosting which may...

Aw shucks, I am just rooting for the team from Texas in this one.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2009, 05:39:15 PM
What's the latest on Southwestern-DPU? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 27, 2009, 05:44:40 PM
OUCH!!  Depauw way too confident and it cost them big!! :(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2009, 05:48:01 PM
Give me more Braveheart!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2009, 05:56:09 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2009, 05:48:01 PM
Give me more Braveheart!
With livestats, audio links, streaming videos and message boards full of friends, hasn't this seemed like the first Thursday/Friday of March Madness?   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2009, 06:10:32 PM
Southwestern gets the first upset of the tourney, 69-62.

Johnathan Brown had 16 & 8 for the Pirates, Travis Barber 13 & 11. 
Mike Moore had 26 in a losing cause. 

Southwestern shot 44% (cooled to 56% from deep); DePauw, 36%.   DPU had a 20-7 advantage in points off of turnovers, SW a 44-29 rebounding edge. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 27, 2009, 07:30:24 PM
At half Centre 24, Austin 17.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2009, 08:07:29 PM
Centre is up 47-33 with 6:35 to play
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2009, 08:38:01 PM
Danny Noll led Centre to a 66-41 win with 26 points. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2009, 03:10:41 AM
Heck of a day at the SCAC.  Men had some very interesting moments and outcomes.  DePauw's season is concluded on the basis of Southwestern putting them down.  Trinity escapes with a very fortunate overtime win over an inspired Sewanee.  That only makes up one side of the bracket.

Centre won with a superior defensive performance over Austin.  Hendrix worked hard to win a hard-fought overtime win over Oglethorpe.

Some good match ups for Saturday with Trinity playing Southwestern.  Is the third time a charm for the underdog?  I expect Trinity to win.

Centre will be playing like the road team in meeting up again with Hendrix.  Is it fair to have two road games against a league opponent in the same season?  I guess so.  This one could go either way.  D3 pundits are hoping Centre wins and I am too.

If it is a Trinity-Centre final Sunday, this probably works out well for both squads in playing on further in the D3 post-season ranks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 28, 2009, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: brave heart on February 27, 2009, 05:44:40 PM
OUCH!!  Depauw way too confident and it cost them big!! :(

With the history of upsets in the SCAC Tournament, if any team actually did go into the tournament expecting an easy win, then they deserve to lose. 

My theory would be that Southwestern can beat anyone when they start hitting all those 3's, plus Southwestern has faced several games over the last few weeks that were must wins to keep their tournament hopes alive.  Playing and winning these pressure games probably helped them yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2009, 11:58:29 AM
We saw some details yesterday on next year's SCAC tournament format which is changing - there will only be semis and a final in the plan, a two-day event instead of three.  The way things will work is the top 2 teams from each division (east and west) will make the tournament.  I call the school presidents' plan for the tournament Obama cuts. 

This format is understandable for the sheer reason of economics in D3, and many other conferences are using it.  It will take away potentially some of the drama we've witnessed in the past from a fan's perspective.  Regardless, as long as the goal or prize of the SCAC season is understood from the standpoint of the teams, players and coaches, it shouldn't be a big deal.  However, if every league goes to this type of format, you reduce the unknown factor just a tad when it gets near selection time for the D3 tournament annually.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 28, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
It's unfortunate that with the conference growing to 12 teams that TPTB have decided to REDUCE the number of teams that can play in the tourney.   Just look at yesterday - Sewanee by all accounts should have defeated Trinity and Southwestern DID defeat DePauw.  The new plan eliminates the potential for such upsets and it's a shame. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 28, 2009, 06:44:21 PM
Trinity holds a slim 34-29 lead at the half over Southwestern.  The refs are letting them play with only nine total fouls and six free throws between the two competitors.  Both teams are shooting around 40% with lots of three balls getting launched (Trinity is 5-14, Southwestern 3-9).   Trinity holds a narrow 17-14 edge on the boards; Southwestern has turned the ball over nine times to Trinity's five. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 28, 2009, 07:14:53 PM

Ron,

I don't disagree with your take on reducing the teams in the SCAC tournament, but I have to say you're a self-hating Tiger.  To say that Sewanee "by all accounts should have beaten Trinity" offers no credit to a great play by a great player.  Trinity has those types of kids which is why they win even when they play poorly.  You say that kind of stuff about football and now basketball.  I remember trying to convince you that Trinity's ownership of DePauw's football program was due to the fact they are BETTER.  My Gosh, what is your problem?  You definitely have a rooting interest in Trinity, but I think the PC culture of this board has you walking on eggshells and therefore you're reluctant to get excited about them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 28, 2009, 07:33:21 PM
Southwestern is seconds away from eliminating Trinity. Up by two with ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 28, 2009, 07:36:55 PM
Southwestern 68 Trinity 63. This team is hot just at the right moment.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 28, 2009, 08:07:23 PM
congrats to SW ... pool C and first rd road trip 4 Trinity  :-(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 28, 2009, 08:29:25 PM
Hendrix pushed Centre at the beginning, but Centre held on shooting 3 pointers. At about 10 minutes in 1st period Centre started pulling ahead. Now Centre 28 Hendrix 21.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 28, 2009, 08:55:56 PM
Centre looked like it was starting to pull away, but Hendrix pushed hard toward the end of the period and at the end Centre took a 7 point lead to the locker room.

Centre had foul problems in the first period, but balanced it out with accurate shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 28, 2009, 09:11:51 PM
Hendrix has taken the lead and 3 Centre players on bench with 3 fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 28, 2009, 09:16:47 PM
What's going on? If anybody is watching the game, is Centre really mugging as many people as the number of fouls seem to indicate? Every time down they're getting called.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 28, 2009, 09:56:24 PM
Centre wins 78-77, despite the Hendrix Board Of Trustees, otherwise known as the refs. Worst officiated game I have ever seen. Took 2 hours to play. Talk about home cooking, Hendrix must have the biggest diner in Arkansas.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on February 28, 2009, 09:58:40 PM
Centre wins by the skin of its teeth as Hendrix fought like mad and both teams were playing against the refs. For most of the game, whenever Hendrix touched the ball Centre got called for a foul. Then, in the last few minutes, the refs called penalties on each team every time the other team shot and missed.

I listened to the game rather than watching it. Maybe all the fouls called were legit, but it sure sounded bad.

Centre 78 - Hendrix 77
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 28, 2009, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 28, 2009, 09:56:24 PM
Centre wins 78-77, despite the Hendrix Board Of Trustees, otherwise known as the refs. Worst officiated game I have ever seen. Took 2 hours to play. Talk about home cooking, Hendrix must have the biggest diner in Arkansas.

So they put your guy on the line with a touch foul at 5 seconds and you think it's home cooking?  There were terrible calls the last five minutes of the game both ways.  It stunk.  But it wasn't one sided.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2009, 11:08:31 PM
Actually I was at the game and the officiating was simply awful, and that is being kind. Hendrix got the benefit of most of the calls. What concerned me was the last 4.6 seconds when Andrew King sprawled on the center court losing control of the ball - I figured there was probably one last whistle coming from the refs against Centre for breathing on King.  Fortunately for the Colonels the whistle never came.

One Hendrix supporter, and I follow Hendrix too told me a Hendrix parent of a player was complaining to the officials at the end of the game because he didn't think they made enough foul calls in his son's favor. I might add that the Centre player defending that particular Hendrix young man was an unsung hero for Centre tonight allowing only one made basket.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madison on March 01, 2009, 12:10:46 AM
Pbrooks & Old Student / Athlete:

Hey, Centre won the game! Before flying off the handle about fouls please consider the style basketball of Centre versus Hendrix. Just look at the season stats for both teams and you will find that HC has shot 33% more free throws for the season. One of the obvious reasons is that HC pounds the ball inside - drawing more fouls, and Centre attempts 40% more 3-pointers – drawing less fouls.
I, for one, think Hendrix (Coach Priest, Coach McCracken and all the players) deserve a lot of credit and should be congratulated. After-all, up until approximately four years ago, Hendrix owned the perennial title of "SCAC Cellar Dweller".  Now they are quite competitive in the league, as well as a legitimate contender in the post season. It is very obvious that opponents of Hendrix no longer chalk up a win before tip-off.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2009, 04:13:52 AM
Madison - good post. I have no qualms with your points. Hendrix and Coach Priest had an excellent game plan and executed it well. They pounded it inside effectively from the opening, and Andrew King was very good, the best I've seen him play in some weeks (since his injury). You are absolutely dead on in terms of the style of play. Centre doesn't go to the foul line because they don't push it inside for physical baskets like Hendrix. I also did not expect Centre to be treated to lots of fouls on the offensive end. My complaint was the fact that when there was physical play at both ends of the court, the refs were not consistent on the calls. There were a couple of times when there was no contact whatsoever and one of the officials anticipated contact and blew the whistle. There were other marginal calls. Most of the time these calls went against Centre. Priest is to be applauded because he knew what to do to attack Centre effectively.  He got stellar play from many of his post-oriented players and they almost pulled out the game tonight. Centre, if they advance to the D3 tournament, will encounter more physical play down the line. Centre may struggle with this as they did tonight.  However, I still feel Hendrix benefitted from the officiating tonight.   
Disagree all you want with me, but I do not like when officials end up the focal point of a game.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: conwayfan11 on March 01, 2009, 04:42:37 AM
It was one great game.  pbrooks dont take anything away from the players who played for hendrix or centre. Im sure there were a lot of people lining up at the refs door after the game, and if centre would have lost there would have been just as many parents and fans complaining. Bottom line is that was one hell of a game
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 01, 2009, 08:30:31 AM
I would like to see Priest scrap his scripted 9-man rotation.  Players who were red-hot would be taken out simply because it was their time.  Hightower and Rose sat too much.
Team chemistry has been off balance all year, and the tension starts on the left side of the bench.

Maybe next year will show even more improvement, but there are some big holes to fill.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2009, 09:43:25 AM
I will admit that officiating got the better of me last night and I suspect to Hendrix supporters I came across as scapegoating in the event the score had been reversed.

In retrospect (after calming down a bit and getting the heart rate under control), you posters are right about it being a tremendous basketball game. There were an ungodly number of lead changes in the 2nd half and both squads played at a high level during the final 20 minutes last night. In a lot of ways, Hendrix played the better basketball game. The Warriors made clutch shot after clutch shot when necessary. The amazing thing to me in the final 15 seconds was that neither squad actually attempted a field goal. Fortunately for the Colonel faithful Chris Gowers got to play hero from the free throw line.

Last night will be remembered in SCAC annals as one of the better tournament games because of the competitive spirited play of 2 teams giving it all to the end. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 01, 2009, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2009, 11:58:29 AM
We saw some details yesterday on next year's SCAC tournament format which is changing - there will only be semis and a final in the plan, a two-day event instead of three.  The way things will work is the top 2 teams from each division (east and west) will make the tournament.  I call the school presidents' plan for the tournament Obama cuts. 

This format is understandable for the sheer reason of economics in D3, and many other conferences are using it.  It will take away potentially some of the drama we've witnessed in the past from a fan's perspective.  Regardless, as long as the goal or prize of the SCAC season is understood from the standpoint of the teams, players and coaches, it shouldn't be a big deal.  However, if every league goes to this type of format, you reduce the unknown factor just a tad when it gets near selection time for the D3 tournament annually.

If the idea of this plan is to save money, then whoever came up with the plan is saving a dime while losing a dollar.

What is saved by going to just 4 teams in the tournament?  There will be one less day of tournament expense and 4 teams won't have travel expense to attend a tournament that was their goal to reach from day 1 of practice.  In a league filled with long trips, do you really want to eliminate the one trip that means the most to 4 teams?

What is lost by going to just 4 teams in the tournament?  For many teams, the motivation and hope of the winning the SCAC title is lost.  For some teams it will probably be clear cut from the start of the season that they aren't capable of a top 2 spot.  For many teams, it will be clear at about mid-season and so the last 6-10 games will simply be playing out the schedule.  For even the best teams, a key injury at the start of the season or in January might very well rule them out, even if they are the best team in the league throughout the month of February.

To give a concrete example of what this rule change means, look at Millsaps and Southwestern this season.  With Millsaps they had such a turnover of players and every close game went against them early on.  They start the season 0-5 in the SCAC--under this new system the motivation to keep plugging would have been gone.  But this year the motivation was still there because a 4th place finish was possible.  In the last 10 games of the SCAC season, they went 6-4.  That included an overtime loss to DePauw and a 3-point loss at the buzzer to Centre, plus a victory over nationally ranked Trinity.  Would this turnaround, would this valuable life lesson that sports are all about have happened with the new tournament setup?  The answer is a very big NO.

With some variation, the same story could be written for Southwestern who had to dig deep and prevail in must win games over much of February.  Now look at them--playing today for the SCAC Championship and a chance to go to the NCAA Tournament.  I'm sure the possibility of getting to the SCAC Tournament was a big plus for other schools like Oglethorpe, Austin, and Sewanee.  And next year it might be a DePauw, Centre, or Trinity that is glad to have a shot at the third spot if they get saddle with a big graduation hit or a couple of key injuries.

The bottom line is that for whatever is save on the bottom line by eliminating the quarterfinals of the SCAC tournament, far more is lost in what it takes away from the athletes, especially the athletes who aren't at the elite programs.  What this change means is that by the midway point of the basketball season, about half of the teams will be eliminated from the tournament and they'll just be playing out the season.  Is this fair to those 150 or so SCAC student-athletes?

This is a change that seems to be very poorly thought out and it is a huge slap in the face to the student-athletes playing basketball in the SCAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 01, 2009, 01:58:55 PM
Preach on, Frank!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2009, 02:45:48 PM
Frank, this kind of political (economic) message is rampant everywhere right now across the universe. It's a shame, but it's a done deal at the executive level and we just have to face the music now. Must say your timing was good with a Sunday sermon!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madison on March 01, 2009, 03:56:01 PM
Pbrooks3:
You make some excellent points. I agree that inconsistent officiating is never good, especially for players and coaches attempting to execute game strategy, as well as for the fans following their team.
Congratulations to Centre on their hard-fought win – wish the Colonels good luck in the finals. Centre always seems to come-up with a good team and that speaks volumes for their organization, both coaches and players. The Colonels definitely can shoot the basketball, seems like something of a "trademark" for players in that area.
Many said Hendrix would never get the quality players to compete in the SCAC, so I would be remiss without commenting more about Hendrix assistant coach Thad McCracken, who behind the scenes, has quietly traveled far and near to recruit many players on the team, has been a leader in strength training / player development, as well as scouting / developing game plans to compliment Head Coach Priest.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2009, 04:16:10 PM
Centre is riding Kris Bentley's five 3's to a 15 point halftime lead. Jeff Mellaney hit a long one just before the horn to get Centre to 42. Bentley's range is impressive as several of his bombs have been of the 30 ft variety.
Kris is a great student-athlete story for the SCAC. More on that later. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 01, 2009, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: madison on March 01, 2009, 03:56:01 PM

Many said Hendrix would never get the quality players to compete in the SCAC, so I would be remiss without commenting more about Hendrix assistant coach Thad McCracken, who behind the scenes, has quietly traveled far and near to recruit many players on the team, has been a leader in strength training / player development, as well as scouting / developing game plans to compliment Head Coach Priest.


I definitely agree with the points on Coach McCracken.  The program will suffer if he leaves.  Both coaches have done a good job of raising the program to a new level.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2009, 05:58:30 PM
It was a fight to the finish between Centre and Southwestern with the Colonels never relinquishing completely their 2nd half lead. Southwestern played 3 impressive games falling only 5 points short of an NCAA bid. Centre is now on its way to the tourney for the 3rd consecutive season.  Congrats to the Colonels!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: madison on March 01, 2009, 06:34:36 PM
Congratualations to the Centre Colonels. To date, the Colonels have lost only four games - and three of those were by a grand total of 8 points!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2009, 07:05:34 PM
What a wonderful story Centre's Kris Bentley is. He is a senior English major who has been a member of the Colonels basketball team for 4 years, the first 3 of which were spent mostly on the bench as one of the backups to Matt Nestheside and Thomas Britt. This season he finally got his chance and he's taken advantage of it to start at the two guard. He's established himself as one of the most exciting long-range shooters in the SCAC. What a wonderful way for him cap off his SCAC career with a 31-point effort today against Southwestern. He canned 8 threes, many of them 30 feet away. He drilled 7-7 on the foul line with the final two helping Centre close out the Pirates. Probably a lot of observers might think Bentley is a single-dimensional player, but that is not the case. He's a lock-down defender as well as evidenced by his effort Saturday night against Hendrix's Cal Rose. Kris, just for good measure,is young man with an engaging personality who is fun to be around. He's the consumate team guy and a great D3 student athlete. Congratulations Kris on a great senior campaign!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on March 01, 2009, 07:20:37 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Trinity Tiger Basketball/Football)


TU 2698,
Your earlier comment regarding Ron is "right-on-target". I have often wondered if others felt the same way; as I certainly do? Any loyal Trinity fan would have to recognize his unending negative bias. Where does it come from? Many comments that I have heard at Trinity athletic events on Bonzo's posted viewpoints indicate that trying to "figure-him-out" or "convince-him-otherwise" is probably not a possibility.

                                                                              ::)

P.S.
TU2698, you and I can now expect our Karma's to dive. What is Karma anyway; does Ron have a lot of it?

   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 01, 2009, 07:38:12 PM

Karma can be taken or added by others with enough experience here.  Basically, it's in place to encourage people to be fair in their posting.  If you or I don't think that what someone said is nice, we can hit their karma. 

I think it works, but I noticed that I when I started paying attention to my karma, I stopped myself from saying what was actually on my mind.  It seems that people get very upset with others here for not being politically correct in their posting, which is why I don't do it as often anymore.

Ron Boerger has taken that to a new level.  Since he is a contributing columnist here, he probably is paranoid that non-Trinity folk will accuse him of bias if he sticks up for the Tigers.  People do that in many public arenas- trash their own so that they won't be labeled as biased. 

Anyway, it seems as if a post doesn't congratulate the other team on these boards or states anything controversial that you have a good chance of losing karma, and people are obsessed with it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 01, 2009, 08:57:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 28, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
It's unfortunate that with the conference growing to 12 teams that TPTB have decided to REDUCE the number of teams that can play in the tourney.   Just look at yesterday - Sewanee by all accounts should have defeated Trinity and Southwestern DID defeat DePauw.  The new plan eliminates the potential for such upsets and it's a shame. 

Response by TU2698:  Ron,

I don't disagree with your take on reducing the teams in the SCAC tournament, but I have to say you're a self-hating Tiger.  To say that Sewanee "by all accounts should have beaten Trinity" offers no credit to a great play by a great player.  Trinity has those types of kids which is why they win even when they play poorly.  You say that kind of stuff about football and now basketball.  I remember trying to convince you that Trinity's ownership of DePauw's football program was due to the fact they are BETTER.  My Gosh, what is your problem?  You definitely have a rooting interest in Trinity, but I think the PC culture of this board has you walking on eggshells and therefore you're reluctant to get excited about them. 
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I'm guessing that Ron's post was "the straw that broke the camel's back" because it wasn't anything outrageous.  Mostly, his post was making a point about the new tournament format and besides, a neutral person would probably agree that Trinity was lucky to pull out that win.  If you want to split hairs between the term "lucky" and "by all accounts", then go ahead.  The main reason Trinity won that game when they were playing poorly is because they were playing a 7-19 team that shot under 40% from the field and under 60% on free throws.  I agree that BJ Moon is a very good player who made a very good play, but come off it with the "Trinity has those types of kids".  Everyone has those types of kids--didn't Southwestern prove that over the last few weeks and the last 3 days?

If Trinity folks want to be mad at Ron because he doesn't rah-rah-rah for Trinity enough, then so be it.  I personally appreciate the fact that while he pulls for his team, he also gives an honest opinion even if it's not what Trinity folks want to hear.  I also appreciate the fact that he is civil in his posts, which isn't the same as trying to be politically correct.  As for the karma totals, I seriously doubt that any serious member on this board really cares about their karma.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 01, 2009, 09:18:44 PM

In all seriousness, Frank, I think you're too nice of a guy to really understand.  The only time I see you object is when you stick up for other people, like now.

You do, however, understand that a straw and a camel were involved.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2009, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 28, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
It's unfortunate that with the conference growing to 12 teams that TPTB have decided to REDUCE the number of teams that can play in the tourney.   Just look at yesterday - Sewanee by all accounts should have defeated Trinity and Southwestern DID defeat DePauw.  The new plan eliminates the potential for such upsets and it's a shame. 



I stand by what I said, and further I put my name behind what I said.  You two anonymous 'gentlemen' can feel free to keep taking your potshots - trust me, it's been done better by others.   Last time I checked this country allows freedom of expression, so if I don't meet your concept of a 'loyal Trinity fan,' that's your problem, not mine.

What my being a 'contributing columnist' has to do with anything here is beyond me, but be it noted that I have never had a relationship to the hoops side of the house and have not been a columnist on the football side since the 2006 season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on March 02, 2009, 08:29:05 AM
I am amazed at all of this animosity springing from a stupid decision to reduce the tournament from 8 teams to 4 teams. I have a solution. Since the Presidents apparently are overly concerned about the expense of having 8 teams go to the tournament, and have no concerns about flying around the country during the regular season, lets move the tournament to a location with easy access from any airport in the country, Las Vegas. We could get all of the rooms and food compted, and add an extra night for a slam dunk contest and a wet tee shirt contest. Of course, we could also serve beer and drinks at the games, which we would get a peace of the action, and since we're in Las Vegas, we could designate an official SCAC bookie to take bets on the games, and the conference could keep the juice.
This would solve our apparent financial crisis, and we would have a neutral site for the games, and get some great publicity, after all, money is more important than our children's education and intercollegiate athletic memories. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 02, 2009, 09:12:35 AM
This is just one of several decisions I have disagreed with in the past few years.

I didn't like the idea of adding Colorado College.  The money saved on that trip alone would be enough to send the teams to a first-round tournament game.

I didn't like the idea of playing the men's games first this year.  It didn't take a genius to figure out that wasn't going to be successful.  I don't know how things worked at other locations, but in Conway I witnessed a mass exodus of students after the conclusion of the men's games.

This latest plan to cut the first-round games is sad.  I agree with the afore mentioned point that some teams will have little hope of making the post season by mid-January. 
With the amount each school in this league spends on travel, I can't see how one more weekend will crash the budget for the schools eligible to participate in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 02, 2009, 10:21:40 AM
I'm changing the subject, but nothing has been said about the announcement of the conference's yearly honors:

PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Mike Moore, DePauw

NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR
Jeff Mullaney, Centre

DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Charles Houston, Trinity

COACH OF THE YEAR
Pat Cunningham, Trinity

SCAC FIRST TEAM
Mike Moore, DePauw
Danny Noll, Centre
Todd Ward, Oglethorpe
Luke Caldarera, Trinity
Andrew King, Hendrix

SCAC SECOND TEAM
Kola Alade, Austin
Charles Houston, Trinity
Cory Smith, Rhodes
B.J. Moon, Trinity
T.C. Thomason, Centre

SCAC THIRD TEAM
Tom Callen, DePauw
Ben Pursell, Sewanee
Ryan Crowdis, Centre
Blake Martinez, Millsaps
Joe Kennedy, Oglethorpe
Chad Songy, Millsaps

SCAC HONORABLE MENTION
Chris Sturtevant, Austin
Kris Bentley, Centre
Lance Jacobs, Colorado
David Foley, Hendrix
Cal Rose, Hendrix
Chris Sanders, Millsaps
David Allison, Oglethorpe
Kenton Coleman, Sewanee
A.C. Cox, Southwestern
Zach Bergstrom, Southwestern
Travis Barber, Southwestern
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on March 02, 2009, 10:30:30 AM
I think the yearly honors came out pretty much how we all expected.  Mike Moore was terrific this season.  They won when Moore played well and they lost when Moore didn't.  He was more of the key to DePauw's success than any other player for any other team.  I'm a little surprised that Andrew King made the first team, however.  I figured Kola Alade or Charles Houston would have snuck in and been that last spot with King being a second team. 

Congrats to Centre, they really earned this year's SCAC championship.  As a Trinity fan, I can only hold my breath that our Tigers get in now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 02, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
Trinity got in as a host in a 3 team bracket.  Centre also is a host.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 02, 2009, 11:55:21 AM
Since Maryville did not have a good year with the SCAC, I think Trinity should look ahead!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 02, 2009, 02:01:23 PM
It will be interesting to see how Trinity plays since they limped through most of February after finishing January with a big win at Centre.  I know that they are 6-2 after that win over Centre, but they lost big at Millsaps, barely hung on to win against Hendrix and Sewanee, and then fell in the SCAC semis to Southwestern. 

On the plus side, they have played well in February at home.  Also, I think the winner of the Trinity-Maryville game will have an advantage in the second game against a team that is seeing their first tournament action.  Despite what I saw of the Tigers in Jackson this year, I think they will two wins this weekend.

Now if we can just get pbrooks3 to pick Maryville.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 02, 2009, 02:20:34 PM
Maryville is just a bunch of freshmen and sophomores.  No need to practice.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 02, 2009, 02:21:15 PM
Think Capital is probably the team to worry about in that part of the bracket - but how about that potential Centre/Trinity match-up in the round of 8?!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2009, 02:22:13 PM
Ah, Scottie, don't think that Coach Cunningham is going to overlook M'ville any more than Coach Sattelle on the distaff side.  Sorry.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: michaelscott on March 02, 2009, 02:33:11 PM
Unfortunately I was a part of the 2006 Trinity team that lost to Maryville in the NCAA at Mississippi College.

I feel as though this year's TU team is in a similar place to the 2006 team as they coming off of a great SCAC regular season but a disappointing showing in the SCAC tournament.

I imagine Coach C will have the Tigers ready to play, particularly at home. Hopefully they can revenge the 2006 lost in the opening round.

Glad to see Centre hosting as well. A pretty good showing for the SCAC this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:36:33 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2009, 07:36:36 PM
Frank, if I pick Maryville in an upset at Trinity, do I get karma?

Seriously, I think Coach Cunningham will have his troops ready at home.  Centre played Maryville twice earlier this season (2 Colonel victories); they are young but I think they'll compete well.  Youth, TU's homecourt and Trinity offensive rebounding likely spell a Tiger win. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 02, 2009, 10:14:23 PM
Let me throw in an "uh-oh" or two about the Maryville game.  First off, they haven't lost in 2009, having followed up the Centre loss at the end of December with 16 wins.

Second, I was at the 2006 Trinty-Maryville NCAA Tournament game and Maryville was throwing in 3-pointers from all over the place.  In the limited number of times that I've seen Trinity play over the years, my impression is that their weakness is trying to defend a good 3-point shooting team.  Right now Trinity is near the bottom of the SCAC in that category and Maryville is a team that hits 40% from behind the arc.  If Maryville is on their game, then we might see 2006 all over again.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2009, 10:33:14 PM
A couple of things are on my mind briefly tonight.

One, Frank's well-thought out post on the new SCAC post-season configuration for the next 2 years was right on.  He identified the cogent points that obviously take away from what the SCAC has done over the past 7 years to make the tournament exciting and of value.  When I first read the new guidelines in the press release I had not given much thought to this other that the decision has been handed down and what else is there to do.  In retrospect, I think the college presidents of the SCAC have made a significant mistake in choosing to change the carrot.  Regardless of which level of NCAA or NAIA a team or player competes at, each student athlete wants to play for something.  This new guideline reduces that something considerably.  

Because I make a habit of attending the SCAC basketball tournament annually, I would be remiss if I didn't thank the Hendrix community for hosting another fine basketball weekend this year.  My hat's off to Danny Powell, Mary Ann Schlientz, Clift Garrison, Dan Priest, Chris Hitchcock and the entire group of athletic staff and volunteers who devoted much time and effort to putting on a first-class tournament again.  I know I ranted Saturday night about officials, but I truly enjoyed the entire weekend, and it took me away from 6 inches of snow on the ground at home in Memphis!




Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 03, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
I agree with frank_ezelle that how Maryville will do depends on whether one or two of their shooters has a good game.  If more than one of them is hot, they can be a (young) handfull. They have a good inside game but to open it up, somebody has to score outside.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on March 05, 2009, 09:25:05 AM
The Hendrix website reports that asst coach Thad McCracken has taken the Warriors women's head coaching job following the resignation of coach Hitchcock.

McCracken will be a great head coach, and it was expected that he would leave to take a head coaching position.  Great for Hendrix that he can leave and stay at the same time!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lammersk on March 05, 2009, 03:02:37 PM
Centre is providing video for Friday and Saturday's Games

I sent an email asking (hoping) that Centre would provide audio or video for the NCAA games and found out they were already 3 steps ahead of me. They are providing free video of the games at

http://www.pennatlantic.com/main.php?tableName=event&fileName=results&recordId=&module=event-results&orderBy=&searchIt=yes&sport=0&month=0&day=01&year=2009&conferenceId=0&schoolId=436

or, if that doesn't work there's a link at Centre's site

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/news_general/08_09/news_ncaa_host_tourn_09.htm

Mind you, if you can get there, go to the games. Last year was amazing.

On behalf of us who can't make it I want to thank Centre for letting us watch as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2009, 06:05:15 PM
Thanks Lammersk - I passed this along to the Heartland Conference.  Weather shut me down from going to Centre for 1st/2nd round games last year. Plan to be there in person Friday night. Go Centre!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2009, 09:08:36 PM
TU 44, Maryville 32. TU has gone up 16-5 in the second half after a 28-27 halftime lead.  14+ minutes left.

TU 64 Murvul 56, 1:20 left. Murvul ball.

TU 68 Murvul 64 FINAL.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2009, 11:15:37 PM
Congrats Trinity on getting through the opening round.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2009, 11:21:26 PM
Sounded on the radio like Trinity's experience was too much for the young Scots.  Congratulations and good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2009, 12:21:01 AM
Trinity was able to get on the offensive glass tonight and defended the three ball pretty well.   Charles Houston showed why he was the SCAC DPOY and was even more better offensively - seemed like every time Maryville made a run in the second, he would drive inside and score.  BJ Moon was a steadying influence throughout.    Luke Caldarera had a tough nite offensively but was a force on the boards.

Eryk Watson was very solid tonight for Maryville (and only a soph - what a pretty shot), Greg Hernandez fought hard in the post. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Big Dog on March 06, 2009, 07:43:00 AM
Ron,

Congratulations to the Tigers. Maryville had some early season struggles for a Lambert coached team but turned it around somewhat after Christmas. Hope that the Tigers play well as the tourney goes on-Lambert said that the ball pressure they put on our perimeter was outstanding and our offense was operating forty feet from the basket. From Maryville College our best to the Tigers and although I couldn't make the road trip- I know you guys were first class hosts. Great campus, great school and obviously a first class team.

Big Dog Has Spoken
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fundamentals on March 06, 2009, 11:29:25 AM
PBrooks....

Looking forward to seeing you tonight at the game!!  GO CENTRE!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 06, 2009, 03:28:33 PM
Quote from: Fundamentals on March 06, 2009, 11:29:25 AM
PBrooks....

Looking forward to seeing you tonight at the game!!  GO CENTRE!! ;D

Fundamentals, good to hear from you.  First trip to Danville this season, though I've seen 8 Centre games along the route this season.  Will look forward to catching up with you later.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 06, 2009, 03:56:47 PM
One starter on the Centre team that has gone somewhat unappreciated throughout this season is senior, Ryan Crowdis. He's the quarterback who contributes to the team in many ways that don't always show on the stat sheet. For example, he made a bigtime block of a shot on a runaway basket by Hendrix last weekend. He's a solid rebounder as well.  Had a better than 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio for the year and is the man with the ball in his hands shooting free throws at the end of games. My hat is off to Mr. Crowdis for a fine senior season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 06, 2009, 05:59:00 PM
The atmosphere is electric 4 minutes prior to 1st round game at Centre.  It's close to a full house. Just met up with Fundamentals. Time for hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2009, 07:29:12 PM
Centre got off to a bad start and trailed Averett by 13 at the half, have closed to within four about midway through the second half.   Centre has not led yet.

The Colonels are having foul problems as Ryan Crowdis has four and Lloyd and Mullaney both have three.  Only Victor Cortes has three for Averett.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2009, 07:45:41 PM
What a great SRO crowd at Centre - surprised the NCAA is allowing students to stand on the end line.  65-all with 2:01 to play.  The Colonels were down 17 in the first half and have come all the way back!

Nice video and free - thanks, Centre administration!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2009, 07:53:10 PM
Evolving into a free-throw shooting contest, 70-69 Averett with a minute to play.  Averett ball.

Brumley huge block by Lloyd!  33 secs to play.

Centre takes a timeout with 26.9 secs left.  Five second differential between shot and game clock.

Crowdis fouls out on what looked like a decent charge call, 20 secs to play.

72-69 after two FTs, 18.9 to play. 

Shot up, missed, Brumley gets the rebound for Averett and fouled with 9 secs to play.   2-2 FTs.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2009, 07:59:12 PM
Mullaney misses a three, gets his board, fouled, hits two but Centre trails 74-71 with less than two seconds left.  Averett full timeout.

Averett gets the ball inbounds, Mullaney fouls out, two FTs with 0.5 remaining.  FTs good, Averett wins 76-71.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 06, 2009, 08:14:19 PM
Averett had a good game plan and executed it well tonight. Colonels took too much time in the 1st half trying to figure out how to attack the quickness and overplay of the Averett defense in the front court. When you're competing at this stage of the season you have got to play more consistent b-ball over 40 minutes than the Colonels did tonight. It was a great atmosphere and Centre is to be commended for another fine season.  Good luck to Averett which has a nice team with one outstanding player in #22 and a fine supporting cast. They came ready to play and earned their stripes tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2009, 12:12:22 AM
I know the Centre boys are disappointed in not notching another win tonight. It's a tribute to the character of the players and coaching staff that the team got up off the mat at halftime and battled Averett down the stretch to make an exciting game of it. The Colonels' opening 20 was as bad a half of basketball as I've seen Centre play. Averett really had them flustered, making the Colonels play mostly out of control. Their best offense in the 1st half was when they spread the floor and took it directly at the defense, getting a couple of easy layups. Just didn't do that enough. 13 turnovers, terrible shot selection and poor passing also made the 1st half a downer for Centre fans. The Colonels, in reality, were probably fortunate to only have been down 13 at the half. Averett played like champs tonight, and their strong play clearly contributed to the poor Centre 1st half.
 
I do want to congratulate the Colonels on another successful season, having achieved the d3 post-season for the 3rd consecutive year. The senior class won 93 games. TC Thomason, Ryan Crowdis, Kris Bentley, Kameron McRay and Beau Braden provided lots of highlight film material over the last four years, and I am one Centre fan who enjoyed what each of the five seniors brought to the game night in & night out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2009, 05:38:56 PM
With the SCAC down to one team, good luck tonight to Pat Cunningham and the Trinity Tigers. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walter17 on March 07, 2009, 06:30:23 PM
I'm very upset because I won't be able to make the Trinity game tonight.  I was at the game Thursday and must say that the Tigers looked very nervous.  I'm hoping that they will be the "experienced" team tonight.  Is anyone going to be down in San Antonio tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 07, 2009, 08:42:36 PM
UTD 29, TU 28, half. Trinity bothered by comet pressure so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 09:14:47 PM
UTD 54, Trinity 47. TU is a perfect 11-11 on FT's.


UTD 56, Trinity 48.  6:03 left.  UTD with the ball.


UTD 58, Trinity 48. 4:31. Calderara at the line FT 2-2. 58-50


UTD 58, Trinity 50. 3:58.  UTD ball.
UTD 60, Trinity 51. 3:30 left.
UTD 62, Trinity 51. 2:40 left.
UTD 62, Trinity 51.  TU missed 2 FT's.  UTD calls time with the ball. 2:11 left.
UTD 65, Trinity 51. Eppink hits the 3FG.
UTD 67, Trinity 51. Breakaway.
UTD 67, Trinity 54  Taylor 3FG. 1:33 left.  UTD ball.
UTD announces say that the UTD defense is bothering TU.
UTD 69, Trinity 54. TU missed 2 3FG's.
UTD 70, Trinity 54. 0:45 left.

The announcers commented that the athleticism that we see in the ASC gave TU trouble.

Final UTD 70, Trinity 54.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 07, 2009, 10:01:48 PM
Yep, UTD definitely was faster and taller.  Trinity didn't help their cause by missing a lot of FTs late and never could figure out what to do against a Comets defense that routinely triple-teamed the entry pass into the high post.   Congrats to the Comets, who also brought a crowd that outnumbered the home crowd 2- or 3-1 (Trinity was on spring break).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 12, 2009, 06:36:34 PM
Kudos to senior, TC Thomason of Centre on a playing through a tough injury much of the latter part of the season.  TC played with a torn meniscus which clearly took away from some of his standard athletic moves he exhibited at Centre throughout his career.  Despite the 1st round loss to Averett last Friday in the D3 tournament, TC finished strong with 21 points and 7 rebounds.  TC gave his best whenever he laced them up for the Colonels, even when he battled injury as was the case this season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on April 05, 2009, 07:37:28 PM
Well a congratulations goes out to Mike Moore the overwhelming choice as player of the year! A dismal finish to the season should not take any shine off this fine accomplishment. He has been a steady performer for the DePauw tigers and will be missed by his teammates,though I am sure all the rest of the conference is happy to say goodbye. Good luck to you Mike at whatever you choose to do.You have one of the finest educations that is available in this country and a truck load of good basketball friends and memories. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on April 11, 2009, 12:06:47 AM
Add to the above D3 second team ALL AMERICAN!!!!! Wow way to go Mike ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on April 21, 2009, 08:55:29 AM
Ditto on Mike Moore's honors for the 2008-09 basketball campaign.  Fans of the other SCAC teams indeed will be glad to see him graduated!

With all of his wonderful accolades, it was somewhat surprising to see DePauw finish the season on a downer. I am guessing DPU needed one more player of note to have gotten them further this season. I actually think Moore was a more effective player and force his junior year when he played his natural position - PG. I know being the star player meant DePauw counted on him to score more. Memphis proved you could place your best scorer at the point and he could generate offense in a lot of ways. DPU should have done the same with Moore.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 04, 2009, 11:26:07 AM
Is the SCAC going to be able to continue flying halfway around the country to play each other?   The NYTimes article on college and university athletics is a bit sobering....


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/04/sports/04colleges.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hendrix2009 on May 07, 2009, 10:51:50 AM
Anyone know of any news on the hiring of an assistant coach at Hendrix?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on May 17, 2009, 10:59:38 PM
No news of a hiring on the Hendrix Athletics web site.  Word is that it is a part-time job and the position has been offered to a recent Warrior.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2009, 09:38:39 AM
Centenary LA basketball (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2009-05-06-apr-report-postseason-bans_N.htm) drew post-season bans because of APR's.

With the question of Centenary's future in D-1, I also found that Centenary offers Club Lacrosse (http://laxteams.net/centenary/).

Is there synergy here?

We saw BSC announce their move to D-III in May of 2006.  Has anyone heard anything from the SCAC office?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 27, 2009, 12:21:16 PM
http://www.theccconglomerate.com/news/2009/05/01/

read the waiting on the board article...it does seem that the school has some serious $ issues, heck  it sounds like they could even be taken over by the for profits from some of the comments...of course, they did hire a southwestern alum for president so maybe a move to d3 happens
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on June 24, 2009, 11:14:06 AM
Quote from: Hendrix2009 on May 07, 2009, 10:51:50 AM
Anyone know of any news on the hiring of an assistant coach at Hendrix?

Drew Gaeng, graduate of Roanoke College, will be the new men's basketball assistant at Hendrix.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on June 24, 2009, 08:59:37 PM
Speaking of assistant hiring, Centre has hired Kyle Hankins to fill the slot vacated by the departing Matt Nestheide. Kyle is originally from Indiana and played at Morehead State. He has been an assistant coach at Kentucky Wesleyan (DII). Welcome Kyle to the SCAC and the Colonels.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hendrix2009 on June 25, 2009, 10:35:15 AM
Looking forward to being a fan of Hendrix basketball.  My son will be a freshman on the basketball team.  Go Warriors!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 25, 2009, 08:49:50 PM
Quote from: Hendrix2009 on June 25, 2009, 10:35:15 AM
Looking forward to being a fan of Hendrix basketball.  My son will be a freshman on the basketball team.  Go Warriors!!!!

Welcome aboard.

Always glad to have more Hendrix fans.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on June 25, 2009, 09:31:42 PM
Hendrix2009, glad to have you posting. I hope to see Hendrix play a few times next season and get acquainted with some of the new players. My son - not a basketball player - just graduated from Hendrix. Living in Memphis, it's a relatively easy drive to Conway to see games, plus we follow the SCAC closely via games at Mallory Gym at Rhodes. Hope your son has a fantastic 4 years at Hendrix like my son did.   

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hendrix2009 on June 26, 2009, 09:01:59 AM
Thanks Mr. Turner and pbrooks3!   We are looking forward to attending the Hendrix games.  We will be at all the games they play in Texas and as many of the home games as possible.   The 2009-2010 schedule is out and there is a tournament in Memphis in November.  My husband has a birthday in November and family in Memphis.  I'm thinking a plane ticket to Memphis for his birthday to visit with family and watch his son play basketball would work out real well!

On a fun note, the school colors my son graduated from are orange and black so we have the right colors to wear to Hendrix games already. 

He hasn't gotten confirmation yet, but my son hopes to room with another freshman player that he has been in contact with.   My son is 6' 7" and the other player is 6' 9" .   They will make quite the pair!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on June 26, 2009, 07:14:38 PM
Hendrix2009, I am impressed that your son and this other young man will be contributing some major length to the basketball team. It looks like the team has a pretty favorable league travel schedule for 2009-10 with only one weekend trip playing schools from the eastern side. You'll get your share of Texas games and some good ones in the home gym.

My wife and I are serious SCAC basketball supporters with both of our kids having graduated from SCAC schools - my daughter is a Centre grad and my son just finished at Hendrix. We support 3 teams in the following order 1) Centre 2) Hendrix and 3) Rhodes. I live 2 blocks from Rhodes. 

Get ready in a few months to see some competitive D3 hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on June 29, 2009, 10:25:13 AM
Speaking of D3 competition, I believe the SCAC West will the most competitive it has been in years with Trinity losing 4 out of 5 starters.  I can't put the six teams in any particular order. It looks to me like a toss up for the 4 top spots.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on June 29, 2009, 11:06:44 PM
SCAC West might be a toss-up as you've speculated. Still have confidence that Pat Cunningham will figure ways to get wins via defense and rebounding. I do believe Hendrix might be the team to pay close attention to this coming season. Southwestern will be a factor too with their point guard and a decent mix of other players. Hope we might get some early readings in the fall on some of the potential impact freshmen in the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2009, 10:23:26 AM
Gordon Mann found this report in the Shreveport Times (online)and posted the link on the Daily Dose.

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/06/04/making-the-case-for-centenary-la-and-d-iii/

In May 2009, Centenary LA gave its official 2-year notice that it is leaving the Summit League after the 2010-11 season.



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 10, 2009, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: tarheelfan on June 29, 2009, 10:25:13 AM
Speaking of D3 competition, I believe the SCAC West will the most competitive it has been in years with Trinity losing 4 out of 5 starters.  I can't put the six teams in any particular order. It looks to me like a toss up for the 4 top spots.  Any thoughts?

Unless a change has been made, thinking about the top 4 spots in the SCAC is a thing of the past.  The SCAC Presidents got together and made the decision that only the top 2 in a sport would go to the SCAC Tournament in the various sports.  It's such a flawed decision and maybe it will be reversed, but I doubt it.  It's like the SCAC Presidents going with men's basketball first last year followed by the women--20 of 24 SCAC coaches voted to do the opposite, but heck, what do coaches know about athletics?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 10, 2009, 11:40:56 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 10, 2009, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: tarheelfan on June 29, 2009, 10:25:13 AM
Speaking of D3 competition, I believe the SCAC West will the most competitive it has been in years with Trinity losing 4 out of 5 starters.  I can't put the six teams in any particular order. It looks to me like a toss up for the 4 top spots.  Any thoughts?

Unless a change has been made, thinking about the top 4 spots in the SCAC is a thing of the past.  The SCAC Presidents got together and made the decision that only the top 2 in a sport would go to the SCAC Tournament in the various sports.  It's such a flawed decision and maybe it will be reversed, but I doubt it.  It's like the SCAC Presidents going with men's basketball first last year followed by the women--20 of 24 SCAC coaches voted to do the opposite, but heck, what do coaches know about athletics?
Frank, I think that the decision was made in consideration of the financial constraints that are facing the budgets of the various institutions.

Cutting from 8 to four shortens the playoffs by a whole day for the teams that make it.

I don't think that we can imagine how bad this economy is going to get.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on July 12, 2009, 11:52:48 PM
I heard from a reliable source at Hendrix that the SCAC recently voted to keep the tournament at 8 teams for basketball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hendrix2009 on July 13, 2009, 09:24:24 AM
Tarheelfan you are correct.   My son heard on 6/23 from an extremely reliable source that the tournament is going to be kept at 8 teams. 

I don't know about the rest of you, but I've got basketball withdrawal! 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on July 13, 2009, 06:43:33 PM
The site of the 2010 SCAC tournament is still being decided but word is that Millsaps is likely to get it.  I don't see why the SCAC would want to have the tourney at a below average gym.  (Old Grove gym was never the site of the tournament!)   ;)   I would suggest Rhodes as hosts once again after the two year stint in Conway.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on July 13, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
Here is the official word of keeping ALL SCAC tournaments at their original size.
http://www.scacsports.com/news/scac_announces_cost_containment_plan
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 13, 2009, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: tarheelfan on July 13, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
Here is the official word of keeping ALL SCAC tournaments at their original size.
http://www.scacsports.com/news/scac_announces_cost_containment_plan


All-in-all pretty reasonable, and the decision as to the conference tournaments is good news.

For basketball, does a 10% reduction mean 23 games or 22?  Or are they just going to play a half in one game? ;D

My daughter is not going to be so excited about the eating in school dining halls thingy.  I think I'll let that news come from her athletic department rather than telling her I saw this press release......
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on July 13, 2009, 07:54:30 PM
Tennessee_papa, perhaps parents and alumni can pitch in from-time-to-time to feed teams traveling so that cafeteria-style feeding doesn't become the norm. 

I am pleased the SCAC presidents saw the wisdom in retaining a post-season experience worthy of note for the student-athletes.  This will help attendance which contributes to the championship run experience, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 13, 2009, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on July 13, 2009, 07:54:30 PM
Tennessee_papa, perhaps parents and alumni can pitch in from-time-to-time to feed teams traveling so that cafeteria-style feeding doesn't become the norm. 

Honestly, pbrooks, my attitude about that particular change is "she'll live".  I think, no, I know that she was looking forward to road trips in part as a break from dining hall food.  But it's a minor thing.

Does bring up a question, though - does the conference pay for team travel for conference games out of a conference pot of money?  I would have thought that each school would have been responsible for its own travel expenses.....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 13, 2009, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: Tenneessee_papa on July 13, 2009, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on July 13, 2009, 07:54:30 PM
Tennessee_papa, perhaps parents and alumni can pitch in from-time-to-time to feed teams traveling so that cafeteria-style feeding doesn't become the norm. 

Honestly, pbrooks, my attitude about that particular change is "she'll live".  I think, no, I know that she was looking forward to road trips in part as a break from dining hall food.  But it's a minor thing.

Does bring up a question, though - does the conference pay for team travel for conference games out of a conference pot of money?  I would have thought that each school would have been responsible for its own travel expenses.....
The reduction in games levels the playing field among conference members with respect to post-season awards and other considerations.

the Midwest Conference has had this 10% season reduction in place for years.

This is almost the equivalent to one week of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 14, 2009, 12:37:08 AM
From the cost containment strategy...

QuoteIncrease in Friday-Saturday competition. Conference mandated scheduling adjustments - when travel distances permit - of more Friday/Saturday competitions will allow for often less expensive Sunday morning air travel. In addition, there will be the added benefit of students returning to campus on Sunday afternoon or early evening.

One more cost containment strategy to increase the number of Friday Saturday competitions...

Add four more schools to the conference...

UDallas, Centenary LA, Berry and someone else on the east.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on July 15, 2009, 02:52:53 PM
If I may ask, Tennessee_papa, what school does your daughter play for?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 16, 2009, 10:14:05 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on July 15, 2009, 02:52:53 PM
If I may ask, Tennessee_papa, what school does your daughter play for?

pbrooks, I've been hesitant to be specific because she's an incoming freshman and so she's going into a new situation in which she needs to establish herself with a new set of teammates and a new coaching staff, etc., while adjusting to life outside our home.  I have no idea whether any of the folks in her athletic department read these boards or not (I suspect someone does), so I'm trying to stay anonymous just to avoid the off chance that I'll say something that could be misinterpreted so as to make somebody mad and possibly make things more difficult for her.  I'm probably being overly conservative, but I want her to get a clean shot to get established.  Her incoming class is very small because her school didn't lose much from last year, so the odds of figuring out who I am are pretty high.

I'll probably "come out" later this year, but for now I'd prefer to lay low.

I will say that she's going to be attending one of the SCAC West schools.  She was recruited by 3 SCAC West schools and one ASC school, but has been focused on the school she's going to be attending since her first visit.

As long as we're asking questions, didn't I read in one of your posts that you live in Memphis?  I grew up not far from there, although I live far away now.  I didn't grow up in Memphis proper, but we were close enough that we went there quite a bit.  Spent my first birthday at the zoo at Overton Park.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on July 17, 2009, 07:00:46 PM
Tennessee_papa - no sweat on your identity. Will figure that out soon enough.

Your point about folks checking sites from the various schools - believe the coaches monitor the D3 boards from time to time, mostly assistant coaches.

Yes, I live in Memphis adjacent to Rhodes College. If your school travels to Rhodes this year to play, I may be there. I'm assuming you may have grown up in Eastern AR or maybe North MS?

Good luck to your freshman player - hope it's a successful season. You'll need to start posting on the SCAC Womens side of D3HOOPS. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 17, 2009, 11:26:46 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on July 17, 2009, 07:00:46 PM
Yes, I live in Memphis adjacent to Rhodes College. If your school travels to Rhodes this year to play, I may be there. I'm assuming you may have grown up in Eastern AR or maybe North MS?

Good luck to your freshman player - hope it's a successful season. You'll need to start posting on the SCAC Womens side of D3HOOPS. 

Nope, grew up in Western Tennessee.  Just a bit north up Highway 51 from you.

They do play at Rhodes this year.  Not sure if I'll be there or not, but I'd like to get back up to Memphis and it'd be pretty cool to watch my kid play bb there.

I know I'll mostly be posting on the women's bb board - I'll probably wander over there once the season gets closer and the traffc picks up.

Thanks for the good wishes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on July 19, 2009, 09:38:07 PM
Tennessee_papa, you can tell I'm not too sharp - your Tennessee moniker was baffling me because I was assuming your daughter was going to one of the 2 TN schools from the SCAC.  Will look for you on the girls' side as we get closer to the start of the season.

If your girl is going to Hendrix, she will get support from my wife and me. My son just finished there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 19, 2009, 11:30:57 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on July 19, 2009, 09:38:07 PM
Tennessee_papa, you can tell I'm not too sharp - your Tennessee moniker was baffling me because I was assuming your daughter was going to one of the 2 TN schools from the SCAC.  Will look for you on the girls' side as we get closer to the start of the season.

If your girl is going to Hendrix, she will get support from my wife and me. My son just finished there. 

I thought I fooled you by misspelling the word "Tennessee" in my moniker.  Certainly somebody born and raised in the state would know how to spell it, right?  Made a typo when I created my id and didn't notice it until the first time I tried to log in, so now I'm stuck with it.

So how did your son like Hendrix?  Not that I have any reason to ask..... :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 20, 2009, 12:31:08 AM
You're only stuck with it until you graduate from Junior Varsity to Second-stringer status, I believe. There are a few functions we don't let new posters have because we've gotten burned in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on July 20, 2009, 10:46:37 AM
Quote from: Tenneessee_papa on July 19, 2009, 11:30:57 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on July 19, 2009, 09:38:07 PM
Tennessee_papa, you can tell I'm not too sharp - your Tennessee moniker was baffling me because I was assuming your daughter was going to one of the 2 TN schools from the SCAC.  Will look for you on the girls' side as we get closer to the start of the season.

If your girl is going to Hendrix, she will get support from my wife and me. My son just finished there. 

I thought I fooled you by misspelling the word "Tennessee" in my moniker.  Certainly somebody born and raised in the state would know how to spell it, right?  Made a typo when I created my id and didn't notice it until the first time I tried to log in, so now I'm stuck with it.

So how did your son like Hendrix?  Not that I have any reason to ask..... :)

I will also be supporting both Hendrix squads.  I think the Hendrix women acquired a great coach in former men's assistant Thad McCracken.  His recruits have helped turned the men's basketball program from cellar-dweller to contender.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on July 21, 2009, 06:34:23 AM
Quote from: Tenneessee_papa on July 19, 2009, 11:30:57 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on July 19, 2009, 09:38:07 PM
Tennessee_papa, you can tell I'm not too sharp - your Tennessee moniker was baffling me because I was assuming your daughter was going to one of the 2 TN schools from the SCAC.  Will look for you on the girls' side as we get closer to the start of the season.

If your girl is going to Hendrix, she will get support from my wife and me. My son just finished there. 

I thought I fooled you by misspelling the word "Tennessee" in my moniker.  Certainly somebody born and raised in the state would know how to spell it, right?  Made a typo when I created my id and didn't notice it until the first time I tried to log in, so now I'm stuck with it.

So how did your son like Hendrix?  Not that I have any reason to ask..... :)

My son absolutely fell in love with the school, and had a most productive 4 years there.  He's pushing on to graduate school in Tennessee (did I spell that correctly?) at Vanderbilt in the next 3 weeks.

You will realize throughout basketball season if you follow any of my posts that I support several different SCAC teams.  My daughter's alma mater, Centre gets support along with Hendrix and our neighbor to the west of where I reside in Memphis, Rhodes.  In all seriousness, the entire league is made up of good kids, wonderful coaches and challenging academic institutions.  I always applaud the competitive spirit of the players in an environment where school is truly first.  A lot of these young men and women of the SCAC go on to successful careers a long way from the basketball court.

You keep posting and you'll be a second-stringer before the basketball season starts!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on July 27, 2009, 11:38:28 PM
Noted tonight on the 10 o'clock news that Sewanee got rated #17 in the country. Unfortunately it wasn't in basketball - it's ranked in the top 20 among party schools!  Though I do expect to see improvement from the Tigers in roundball this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on July 28, 2009, 05:04:18 PM
I noticed that as well PBrooks... as a former OU student who has been to Sewanee a few times (for various reasons) I can say that those guys up there know a thing or two about gettin it done.

What you may not have noticed is that Depauw ranked just ahead of them at #15  with the University of Tennessee sandwiched in between.

Not only do we have top notch athletics... but Liberal Arts Schools can party too haha.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/list-of-top-party-101547.html
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ououou on July 29, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
thank goodness no partying at oglethorpe.
long time reader.. first time poster. starting out slowly.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on July 29, 2009, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on July 27, 2009, 11:38:28 PM
Noted tonight on the 10 o'clock news that Sewanee got rated #17 in the country. Unfortunately it wasn't in basketball - it's ranked in the top 20 among party schools!  Though I do expect to see improvement from the Tigers in roundball this season.

How do you see the SCAC East panning out this season, pbrooks? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on July 29, 2009, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: tarheelfan on July 29, 2009, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on July 27, 2009, 11:38:28 PM
Noted tonight on the 10 o'clock news that Sewanee got rated #17 in the country. Unfortunately it wasn't in basketball - it's ranked in the top 20 among party schools!  Though I do expect to see improvement from the Tigers in roundball this season.

How do you see the SCAC East panning out this season, pbrooks?  

My gut tells me to go with the usual suspects - DePauw; Centre. However, I do like Oglethorpe. They have a veteran team and Todd Ward. If they figure out how to best utilize his enormous skills, play defense and get a bit of bench help, they seriously contend. Sewanee is likely a year away even with their stellar party ranking!  Don't see Rhodes in the mix. BSU is on it's final year of probationary status if my recollection is accurate. O

I know Centre has got some nice recruits - no details. I have no info on DPU or the others.  


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 30, 2009, 03:42:03 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on July 29, 2009, 08:48:25 PM
BSU is on it's final year of probationary status if my recollection is accurate.

Final year for BSC in re-classifying?

They did it in three?

Do you have a URL the source for that? (Not doubting you, I just want official verification before I go spreading rumors...Thanks!   ;)  )
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Quaddble on July 30, 2009, 05:27:16 PM
Hey everyone, I am new to this board and I just wanted to make a few comments before the new year comes around.

I realize once the new season starts some players will be forgotten because they didn't stick out.  I wanted to give some credit to the Trinity team this year because no one gave them that much credit.  They wound up winning 23 games and yet they weren't noticed as being one of the teams that people feared.  The six seniors put their personal pride aside and totally accepted the team concept.  There are similar players across the SCAC that should be noticed and I think now would be a great time to bring up some of yur thoughts about them.  I think this next year is definitely going to be an interesting one!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2009, 06:49:05 PM
Berry is accepted as a provisional school.

http://www.berry.edu/pr/news/pressdetail.asp?ID=775


QuoteBerry College has been approved for provisional membership in NCAA Division III by the NCAA Management Council. Berry is one of three schools nationally that will begin the provisional membership process in 2009-10. Joining Berry is another Northwest Georgia school, Covenant College.

QuoteFor now, Berry will hold joint membership in both the NCAA and the NAIA. During the 2009-10 academic year, Berry teams will continue to compete in the NAIA's Southern States Athletic Conference (SSAC), although they will be ineligible for postseason play. Conference affiliation in Division III is under exploration and will be determined at a later date.


QuoteThe move to Division III makes it possible for Berry to enhance the visibility and diversity of athletic opportunities available on campus by adding sports such as women's softball and men's and women's swimming and diving (both debuting in 2009-10) and men's and women's lacrosse (to be added in 2010-11). At the same time, the Division III approach to scheduling games and practices will make it easier for athletes to be fully engaged as students and involved in other aspects of campus life.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on August 01, 2009, 11:16:23 AM
Interesting happenings with so many of these transitional schools situated in the SCAC backyard. Wonder what the SCAC will look like in 2015?

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ououou on August 10, 2009, 03:32:10 PM
Good afternoon.  Berry has beautiful facilities and has always fielded solid athletic teams in a variety of sports.  Academically.. they fit the profile of an SCAC member.
If trhere travel budget permits... I see it as a natural fit. I have been hearing that they were interested in joining for a couple of years.  More power to them.  They would be a natural rival for Oglethorpe. 
I would appreciate any insight from posters as to how they think DePauw and Centre shape up for the upcoming season. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on August 15, 2009, 11:15:50 PM
OUOUOU, don't profess to have a complete answer to your query. Suffice it to say, both DePauw and Centre will have competitive squads for the upcoming season. You have two solid programs with excellent coaching and histories of getting nice recruits. What else would you expect in the states of Indiana and Kentucky!  I can't speak for DePauw but I know Coach Mason and his staff are pleased with their incoming freshmen. What does this mean?  Who can possibly know. Oglethorpe returns an outstanding nucleus of players. You should expect the top 3 in the east to be DePauw, Centre and Oglethorpe. The order of finish in the regular season is anyone's guess in my estimation. 




Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on August 20, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
Quote from: tarheelfan on July 13, 2009, 06:43:33 PM
The site of the 2010 SCAC tournament is still being decided but word is that Millsaps is likely to get it.  I don't see why the SCAC would want to have the tourney at a below average gym.  (Old Grove gym was never the site of the tournament!)   ;)   I would suggest Rhodes as hosts once again after the two year stint in Conway.

tarheelfan, you are really well-sourced.  Don't know if anyone saw it, but the Millsaps decision was apparently made official last week.

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/8/11/MBB_0811093339.aspx

The tournament will be held in Jackson for the next two years.

I've never been to Millsaps gym - is it really that bad?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Quaddble on August 21, 2009, 11:28:21 AM
Tennessee__Papa, Millsaps gym is pretty bad.  When you first walk in it seems kind of cool just because it is so much more unique than any other gym you've ever seen.  It used to be an old airplane hangar, so you can just imagine the shape and the way the sound bounces off the wall.  Once you get past the way it looks you realize how difficult it is to play in the gym.

The only way I can describe the lighting in the gym is comparing it to the moment in the movie theaters when they are showing the pre-views.  It isn't all the way black yet, but it is dark.  Not only that, but only one basket is lit up.  The other thing that makes shooting difficult is the fact that one basket is literally 9 1/2 feet.  If you don't believe me, go check out the basket on the left side as you walk in the gym.  It will definitely give a home court advantage to Millsaps if they are in the conference tournament, but it shouldn't be a factor with two away teams.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on August 24, 2009, 07:56:08 AM
I don't know about the 9 1/2' goal, but I do agree that the Millsaps gym is unique and presents a challenge for the visitors everytime.  The things that struck me about the place that were quirky are the dark paneling of the roof and the unusual lighting around each basket. This combination seems to create blind spots on certain areas of the floor. The place is so large floor to ceiling that you do in fact expect to see an airplane overhead. The place doesn't lack for seating, and since it would probably take a major event to nearly fill it, you always seem to get  
an echo effect in there. The seating isn't comfortable nor necessarily easy to manuever around.  


In short, the facility isn't great for viewing a basketball game, but the hanger is certainly a conversation piece and a unique venue in the SCAC.  The other parts of the Millsaps athletic complex are quite impressive from what I've seen.
;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oudad on August 24, 2009, 06:01:53 PM
This is my first time posting,on this or any site,but I've been following the past two years my son has been at Ogelthorpe and decided to chime in with my limited knowledge. I'm planning on going to the conference playoffs in Jackson any advice ie: where to stay , eat , what to see. Can't wait for the season to start my son is pleased with some of the new recruits that may add some depth to their squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 08, 2009, 04:53:19 PM
Okay, I'll be the first to admit that the lighting in the Millsaps "Hangar Dome" is sub-par, something that has given me fits when trying to photograph volleyball and basketball over the last few years.  The part about the goal being 9'6" on one end is one that I've never heard or observed--if anything, with all the big players Trinity has on their team it would have behooved Millsaps to raise the goals to 10'6" whenever the Tigers came to town.

Also, it was never actually used as an airplane hangar and I doubt that the lowest bidder was an architect who specialized in airport facilities.  As a bit of trivia, my dad was on the building committee when they were coming up with the plans for a new gym in the 1970's.  It came down to a decision between a one court arena like MS College has or the three court facility which obviously won out.  Personally, I think they made the right decision with the multi-court design, but there is a definite need to double the lighting in the facility.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 10, 2009, 02:32:13 AM
While admitting that the lighting is poor and the setting is unique at Millsaps (though is a lot of ways the gym isn't that different from the setting at DePauw), I think this comment by a Fontbonne University person is relevent to the discussion.  This was a comment made by board member fcnews on 3/9/08 after Millsaps hosted an NCAA Regional in 2008, and here's a cut and paste of the comment (or you can go directly to the post at http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4409.msg887762#msg887762 ):

Final Comments on the trip:

It is very hard to put into words the atmosphere in the Hangar this weekend. Imagine a quonset hut 4 times the size of Concordia, StL., only the roof (ceiling) is all native knotty pine. The floor runs side ways. The bench side has about 40 rows of bleachers all the way to the ceiling, the other side has a free standing set of bleachers that's probably the size of one side of Maryville's gym. The structure lends it's self to a very loud crowd. The loudest I've heard anywhere.

Millsaps is a beautiful southern campus and just outside The Hangar is the football field. Home of this years 15 latteral play by Trinity, TX. It is also the home of the New Orleans Saints pre season camp. Beautiful field.

Millsaps College was a great host. You knew the event was going on as soon as you drove on campus. Their staff and athletic department did an unbelievable job. The food in the hospitality suite was very nice. Thanks for the support from the Maryville crowd during our second half.

The southern hospitality can not be beat. Thursday nite FU had the last practice session. The employee's of the O'Charley's restaurant kept the place open an hour and half past closing to accomidate us. Friday, after the game, the staff at Logan's Roadhouse did an incredible job of getting our party of about 60 seated together with hardly much wait. What great steaks they serve.

The kids left Jackson very dissapointed. But, this experience showed them that they could play with anybody and did.

Next year can't get here quick enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: daBulls on September 15, 2009, 12:28:50 PM
I played four years at Millsaps and never noticed the lighting, but then again I played four years at Millsaps.  During my four years one of the rims was broken during practice.  After it was replaced that rim did seem a bit on the low side, but not 6 inches low, maybe an inch.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on September 15, 2009, 08:33:18 PM
Cory Smith has inked a professional deal in Luxembourg.  The story is on the Rhodes Website as well as the SCAC pages.

Rhodes Website: http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/9/14/MBBALL_091409_Cory_Smith_Signs_Pro_Contract.aspx (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/9/14/MBBALL_091409_Cory_Smith_Signs_Pro_Contract.aspx)

SCAC Page:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/smith_signs_luxembourg  (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/smith_signs_luxembourg)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on September 16, 2009, 07:18:46 PM
He will do well at the professional level because he was a great one-on-one scorer and very athletic.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on September 24, 2009, 07:36:00 AM
For Centre Colonels fans and others, here's a link to their 2009-10 basketball schedule -
  http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/schedule_basketballm.html

No real surprises - playing the unusual suspects on the non-conference portion of the schedule. They make an early trip this season to my viewing venue to play Rhodes in December.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on September 24, 2009, 02:19:15 PM
Here is Hendrix's 09-10 schedule.  The exhibition game against Univ. of Central Arkansas should be a good early test as it counts for an official game for UCA.
http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/schedule.aspx?id=22028
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hendrix2009 on September 28, 2009, 10:17:37 AM
Received an email from my son a short time ago.  Coach Dan Priest's father passed away over the weekend after a 3 year battle with lymphoma.  Thoughts and prayers go out to Coach Priest and his family. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on October 06, 2009, 08:58:29 AM
It's hard to believe, 9 days to Centre's first basketball practice. I watched a shoot around/pick up game of some of the players yesterday, and they were impressive. Very young, but one of Coach Mason's best recruiting classes. Veteran Danny Noll was awsome. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tmore22 on October 07, 2009, 08:24:01 PM
I know Centre lost alot in the back court. Do they have anyone to step up? Do they have a chance to win the confrence and get another NCAA bid? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MR. KY on October 09, 2009, 02:36:14 PM
Centre will certainly have a chance to repeat as champions, but it will not be easy. They will be extremely young and inexperienced. Might be the case where this team will go through some growing pains early, but as the young guys learn how to play at this level, this could be a dangerous team towards the end of the season. The only member of the backcourt that I remember with any experience is Mullany (sp?) Don't know too much about the other guards in the program or the incoming freshmen, but they will certainly need a guard (or two, or three..) to step up and contribute for the first time. It will be difficult to fully utilize their big men (which seems to be their strength) without at least two guards that can handle the ball, knock down open shots, and create for others.

They return a boat load of big guys (Noll, Lloyd, Gowers, Hermann, Mallone) with experience. It seems like Centre has been a guard-dominated team for a while, and now their strength appears to be in the post. Noll is one of the better players in the SCAC, and should have another great year.

The big question mark is the backcourt and/or the lack of depth here. If some young guys develop and/or older guys mature and step up, this could be another great season. If nobody steps up to help out Mullany, Centre may not reach the level of success they have enjoyed over the past few seasons.

Anyone have any info on their other guards aside from Mullany or their incoming freshmen?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 12, 2009, 02:41:41 AM
It's true that Centre retains most of their true experience in the front-court. Coach Mason always has developed good guards; heck he was one of them himself!  Mullaney will step it up from his frosh campaign; he'll be counted on to qb the team. There are some freshmen recruits that will be counted on to contribute, too. Personally, I hope  Zeric Mason gets in the mix scoring and delivering in other ways.  Looking forward to seeing the Colonels in action - Mullaney is the real deal.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 12, 2009, 02:47:52 AM
Glad to have Mr KY on the board. Old Student Athlete will
be able fill in more on the Colonels' young players, and who among the guards will step it up besides Mullaney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on October 12, 2009, 02:26:43 PM
Centre will be fine at guard, although very young. Mullaney at 6-1, beefier and stronger, can play point or the 2 guard. Freshman Shover from Nesthide's high school and Smith are two young point guards. Smith reminds you of Moore and Brian Britt. Brian Ellis, a Freshman shooting guard, looks like a running back, which he was in high school. Also, one of the top 3 point shooters in Kentucky last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 13, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
Quote from: oudad on August 24, 2009, 06:01:53 PM
This is my first time posting,on this or any site,but I've been following the past two years my son has been at Ogelthorpe and decided to chime in with my limited knowledge. I'm planning on going to the conference playoffs in Jackson any advice ie: where to stay , eat , what to see. Can't wait for the season to start my son is pleased with some of the new recruits that may add some depth to their squad.

Not sure your entire question was answered on Millsaps - there are plenty of good hotels and places to eat.  Jackson, in my opinion, has some wonderful eateries.  Millsaps has the good fortune of practically having on-campus lodging with Cabot Lodge Millsaps @ 2375 N State St.  You can literally walk to the gym from this location.  Comfortable rooms, good breakfast bar, nice surroundings and a cocktail reception.  Don't know that any other SCAC school matches the convenience to a hotel as Millsaps.

If we keep talking about the gym on D3HOOPS, I suspect a lot of SCAC followers from other schools besides Millsaps may take the opportunity to come to the tournament.  I think Frank is right about the atmosphere being a good one for basketball.  It's not my favorite facility, but it certainly has plenty of space to handle a large crowd.  Who knows, maybe Frank can get the school to improve the lighting this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oudad on October 13, 2009, 11:03:23 PM
Thanks PBrooks for the info on Jackson sounds like an easy place to get around and they could be playing in a cafeteria I would'nt care as long as I get to see some great competition. I'll get to see Oglethorpe play Thanksgiving weekend when they play Lagrange and Maryville. My son Todd says the recruits look good in pick-up and  could add some needed depth . Can't wait.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 14, 2009, 11:35:07 PM
Quote from: oudad on October 13, 2009, 11:03:23 PM
Thanks PBrooks for the info on Jackson sounds like an easy place to get around and they could be playing in a cafeteria I would'nt care as long as I get to see some great competition. I'll get to see Oglethorpe play Thanksgiving weekend when they play Lagrange and Maryville. My son Todd says the recruits look good in pick-up and  could add some needed depth . Can't wait.
Have enjoyed watching your son play for Coach Ponder the past 2 years. He's a tremendous athlete.  Should catch OU a few times this season - will see them at Rhodes and perhaps when Centre heads to Atlanta.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 15, 2009, 07:57:43 AM
I believe it is kickoff time for official basketball practice. Here's hoping this is the start of another nice campaign for the Centre Colonels.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 16, 2009, 11:57:09 AM
For help with my D3hoops.com Preseason Top 25 ballot, can you guys help me sort out the 2010 SCAC race?  Who do you see finishing 1st through 3rd?

Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 16, 2009, 10:58:45 PM
In the East, I think the teams to watch are Centre, Oglethorpe and DePauw. The West - I like Trinity, Hendrix and Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oudad on October 17, 2009, 07:53:15 PM
Me too coach Ponder has done a great job with this group. I'll be at the center game myself hope it means alot to both teams at that point in the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on October 19, 2009, 01:11:45 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on October 16, 2009, 10:58:45 PM
In the East, I think the teams to watch are Centre, Oglethorpe and DePauw. The West - I like Trinity, Hendrix and Southwestern.

I believe you could put Austin in the top three in the West.  Are you predicting a number one finish for Trinity after losing four starters?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 19, 2009, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: tarheelfan on October 19, 2009, 01:11:45 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on October 16, 2009, 10:58:45 PM
In the East, I think the teams to watch are Centre, Oglethorpe and DePauw. The West - I like Trinity, Hendrix and Southwestern.

I believe you could put Austin in the top three in the West.  Are you predicting a number one finish for Trinity after losing four starters?
No I'm not predicting an order of finish at this juncture.  I think Pat Cunningham is a great coach who emphasizes defense and rebounding.  He'll always have competitive teams and I don't think I'm going out on a limb in predicting them among the top three.  Austin is a team to be reckoned with given the way they played some teams last season.  I picked three and left them out; could easily be that they win the west - who knows.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on October 19, 2009, 07:58:09 PM
I agree. I believe any of those four teams could win the West.  Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on October 21, 2009, 04:36:56 PM
Preseason Poll is out....

Centre is the only team in the top 25 but Oglethorpe and Trinity are in the RV section. 

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/

Does anyone else predict that these are the top 3 schools in the SCAC?  Depauw is always tough but they lost POTY Mike Moore.  Do Hendrix and Southwestern out west seem to figure in this discussion at all?

Oglethorpe rolls out a roster of 21 that includes a few departures but a great group of freshman to go along with a starting 5 that lost no1.  If they can put it all together I think they're the odds on favorite to win the SCAC- I believe they're the most talented team in the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on October 22, 2009, 08:15:49 AM
I would agree that Oglethorpe should be the pre-season No. 1 in the conference, based on their starting 5 returning, and possibly having the best player in the league. However, I would argue that Danny Noll at Centre is the best player in the league, and if Centre's freshmen come through, they will be an outstanding team. One should not look past DePauw as they loose only one starter, and I think they will be a better team without Moore. Millsaps has an excellent young team also. Many good teams in the league this year, Oglethorpe, Centre, De Pauw, Millsaps, Trinity, Southwestern, and Hendrix. There will be may upsets this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 22, 2009, 06:50:08 PM
FlightofthePetrel is certainly right about Oglethorpe having tons of talent & experience.  However, while their talent may outrank everyone else in the league, talent in & of itself doesn't necessarily win ballgames.  Coach Ponder will need to work on meshing some of new players into the system.  I honestly think the keys for OU winning the East this year will be rebounding and defense.  Offense is never a  problem for this squad. 

Old Student/Athlete is right about there being good parity in the SCAC this season.  Whether this translates into lots of upsets, I'm not sure.  I am going to expect this year that SCAC road wins are going to be at a premium for just about all of the teams.  The ones who can escape with 2 or 3 road wins might be the top finishers.



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on October 23, 2009, 11:35:43 AM
Brooks... I agree with you that the key to success is having everyone on the same page.  You see what happened when team USA sent their best and brightest to the Olympics a few years ago.  There were to many ME's on the team and not enough WE's.  It wasn't until Kobe Bryant turned himself into a lock down defender and everyone accepted a role on the team that they restored USA basketball to the top once again.

OU has a great makeup of players... Todd Ward is obviously going to be the focal point but David Allison and Joe Kennedy can score at will if they shut Ward down.  Alex Richey showed what he's capable of against Georgia State last year by keeping OU in the game while scoring 35+.  Wade Weldon rounds out the starters and even he averaged double figures last year... the kid is a bulldog on the court, especially under the rim.  For someone who is outsized for his position I haven't seen a kid work as hard as he does day in and day out for each loose ball- Nescit Cedere.

I've seen the guys play pickup a few times and as long as everyone stays healthy this looks to be the most complete and talented team OU has had in quite some time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallFanHC on October 24, 2009, 10:03:59 PM
Hello all! New to the basketball board this year. Collected my winnings from Vegas after predicting Hendrix baseball winning the 2009 SCAC tourney. Follower of Hendrix and the SCAC. Looking forward to a new Hendrix team this year without King, Foley, Wible and....Bertrand. So basicially Hendrix will rely on soph. Nick Heathscott to hold down the inside, something he showed flashes of last year if he can stay out of foul trouble. Heathscott could be the best true post player in the conference this year. It seems the cupboard might be a little bare for Priest with bigs....hopefully someone can emerge to spot Heathscott a few minutes here and there.
Seniors Cal Rose and Janson Hightower should be able to carry the back court but it will be interesting to see who else will emerge to put the ball in the hoop. Look for Ryan Rizos to play significant minutes this year. A junior who could play the 3 or 4 is a deceptively quick scorer who could really give opposing defenses matchup problems.
With the conference really up in the air this year any team has a shot to cut down the nets in the Hanger Dome!
Well I think that is enough for me for one night. Good luck to all schools and hope for another exciting year of SCAC basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2009, 10:42:02 PM
It's hard to say what Millsaps will have this season.  The roster on the Millsaps website only has the 6 returning players, maybe 7 if Jason O'Rear comes back out after football season is over, but there are a ton of newcomers:

"Millsaps' roster is very young, but talented, with SCAC experience. The Majors welcome back six lettermen, which includes three starters from a year ago, and add 16 freshmen and a junior college transfer. "

That's from the season preview which can be found at this link:

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/10/21/MBB_1021094442.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BBallFanHC on October 25, 2009, 04:26:23 PM
Todd Ward is by far the best player in the conference in my opinion. No disrespect to Danny Noll but I believe Mason has a lot more to do with Noll's success then Ponder does with Ward.
That kind of athlete is very rare in D3 and I think with two straight first round eliminations he will come out of this offseason ready to go.  He is a matchup problem for every team in the conference and I don't think there is another player you can say that about. I am really looking forward to seeing how he and the Stormy Petrels do this year as they seem to have the most coming back.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 25, 2009, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: BBallFanHC on October 25, 2009, 04:26:23 PM
Todd Ward is by far the best player in the conference in my opinion. No disrespect to Danny Noll but I believe Mason has a lot more to do with Noll's success then Ponder does with Ward.
That kind of athlete is very rare in D3 and I think with two straight first round eliminations he will come out of this offseason ready to go.  He is a matchup problem for every team in the conference and I don't think there is another player you can say that about. I am really looking forward to seeing how he and the Stormy Petrels do this year as they seem to have the most coming back.
I
I do believe Ward is the most athletic and balanced player I've seen in the SCAC in recent years. Noll's attributes are considerable, too, but he's not the natural talent that Ward is. Noll makes up in other areas with his work ethic and his heady style of play. I think POTY could come down to these two.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kid nice on October 29, 2009, 02:44:31 PM
Frank, is the O'Rear kid going to play this year? did he get playing time last year? he obviously is having a pretty good year in football for you guys
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 29, 2009, 07:55:50 PM
Nice D3 writeup on Oglethorpe's team which is in fact loaded with returning players. Just makes me look forward with anticipation to SCAC basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 06, 2009, 12:01:10 AM
Quote from: kid nice on October 29, 2009, 02:44:31 PM
Frank, is the O'Rear kid going to play this year? did he get playing time last year? he obviously is having a pretty good year in football for you guys

I'll respond on behalf of Frank. No, O'Rear is 95% percent staying with football only. I spoke with him the other day. He came off the bench in 23 games last year and is a very athletic kid, but I like him on the football field even more than the basketball court. I'd be stunned if he changed his mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 06, 2009, 08:41:17 AM
Jason O'Rear is a very good athlete but it is very hard for a player to do both football and basketball because the seasons overlap.  The more logical dual sports combination is football and baseball and I've been told that O'Rear was a pretty good pitcher in high school.  As for Jason playing basketball this season, the only clue I have is the previous post plus the fact that Jason was listed on the Millsaps basketball roster a couple of weeks ago and now his name has been removed.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 06, 2009, 09:59:22 AM
Watched Millsaps scrimmage D1 Jackson State University of the SWAC last night.  Millsaps actually had a 28-27 lead after starting the 2nd half with an 8-0 run, but then reality set in and JSU won the game 70-40.

In this case part of the reality was a JSU team with 9 players listed at 6'5" or taller, topping out with two at 6'10", one each at 6'9" and 6'8", and two more at 6'7".  Another part of the reality was that Millsaps wore down under the extreme workload that it takes to compete with such a big and talented team.  And yet another part of the reality is that the bottom half of the JSU roster is still loaded with kids on athletic scholarships, so with both coaches trying to get all the players into the scrimmage game, the disparity between the teams showed greater as more subs entered the game.

Considering that JSU is so different than a typical SCAC team, it's a little hard to get a good feel for how Millsaps will look in conference play.  Like last year, they will be a real blue-collar team that will battle you from start to finish and get the most out of their abilities.  Down low, Chris Ingle will bust his tail and somehow grind out 10-12 points per game and 7-8 rebounds.  Ben Cooper plays the same way and it looks like he is taking over Chris Sanders' starting spot.  These two big men won't evoke the thought "poetry in motion", but they will bring their hardhat to every game and will give Millsaps some solid physical play inside.

On the perimeter, Chad Songy will be missed in a lot of ways, but I liked the play of sophomore Brian Merkel and transfer LeeVarn Sumler at point guard last night.  It looks like they are going to do a good job in that role.  Seniors Blake Martinez and Cameron Varnado will be counted on heavily this season as leaders and scorers.  No doubt that Blake will fire up a lot of 3-pointers this season and when he is hot Millsaps is a threat to beat whoever they are playing.  Plus, good outside shooting will open things up for Varnado to go to the basket, something he did with success last night.

Behind this group there appears to be some good potential.  Brandon Center at 6'8" and Aaron Caldwell at 6'5" are freshmen who add some height and bulk to go along with returning sophomore Jeff Brown who is 6'4".  Jarius Browning, a 6'2" guard from Florida also caught my eye, but it really was hard to tell much about the newcomers considering the situation.  I just got the feeling that Millsaps will be able to put together a solid group for an 8-10 man rotation.

I guess we will find out more about these newcomers when Millsaps opens the season Nov. 17 against Belhaven, another scholarship team but not quite on the same level as JSU.

Link to story on JSU game:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/11/5/MBB_1105094722.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2009, 10:11:28 AM
Appreciate the Millsaps critique from Frank as the start of B-ball is close at hand for the SCAC. Maybe some other posters will chime in on their respective teams before the season kicks off.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 08, 2009, 04:59:57 PM
Season preview is up on AC's website, but here's the rundown:

After posting the best record in nearly a decade at 13-13 last year, the 'Roos have 8 seniors and a couple other returners with some talent, along with a few frosh who could be pretty solid.

Obviously you have to start with Kola Alade, who I think you'll see a career year from this season.  Last season, for various reasons, he got a little worn down and really had to carry the load, but this year I think he stands a real chance of leading the conference in scoring.  I'm not sure there's a guard in the conference as quick as Kola, from what I've seen.  If he can keep his shot consistent, watch out.

We're also pretty loaded in the post, and should be one of the biggest teams in the conference.  We've got 6-7 Sturtevant, who made honorable mention All-SCAC last year, and 6-8 Spencer Burke, who was among the national leaders and 2nd in the SCAC in blocked shots.  Add in 6-7 Taylor Beatty, 6-6 Josh Saunders, 6-5 Scott Straley (who is also a heck of an athlete) and 6-6 Justin Martin, along with a couple big freshman (6-8, 6-6, 6-6 for the three frosh frontcourt players) and that's a big team.

It's a team with a ton of experience, and I think you could really see a jump in the production/contributions of Saunders and Straley this year.  Straley, as I mentioned is a solid athlete who can finish in transition, and Saunders should be one of the team's best shooters and can really handle and pass the ball.  To go off on a quick tangent, my brother played college ball (at Dickinson up in PA) and at 6-6 was basically a point guard in a power forwards body.  Well, Saunders reminds me so much of my brother game-wise it's ridiculous.

Toss in returning contributors in the backcourt like Kyle Lintelman (who is tough as nails and a solid shooter) and Arron Mewbourn (small, but has an amazing handle), along with Nick Wade (outstanding three point shooter), and you've got a team that should be among the bigger, more experienced, and maybe most importantly, deeper teams in the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on November 10, 2009, 02:13:25 AM

Rhodes Basketball lost to UT-Martin tonight 92-63.  Game was close for the first 14 minutes, then UT-Martin used its quickness and athleticism to open a big halftime lead and never looked back.  The game recap is on the Rhodes Website.

http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/10/MBBALL_UTMARTIN_RECAP.aspx  (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/10/MBBALL_UTMARTIN_RECAP.aspx)

The Lynx will open their season on the road next Monday, November 16th, with Principia College.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 10, 2009, 01:38:07 PM
Quote from: phillipst on November 10, 2009, 02:13:25 AM

Rhodes Basketball lost to UT-Martin tonight 92-63.  Game was close for the first 14 minutes, then UT-Martin used its quickness and athleticism to open a big halftime lead and never looked back.  The game recap is on the Rhodes Website.

http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/10/MBBALL_UTMARTIN_RECAP.aspx  (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/10/MBBALL_UTMARTIN_RECAP.aspx)

The Lynx will open their season on the road next Monday, November 16th, with Principia College.
phillipst, are you going to tell us about your team?  We know you've got some good young freshmen jumping in the mix.  Enlighten everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on November 11, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
Here's the SCAC Coaches Preseason Poll.  I was surprised to see Austin get so many votes including a first place vote.
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/0910_preseason_poll
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on November 13, 2009, 01:14:03 PM
Hendrix men open up with an exhibition tonight against cross-town foe Central Arkansas.  Game counts as UCA's first official game and there should be a good crowd on hand.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 15, 2009, 10:18:59 AM
Basketball for the SCAC teams officially cranks up this week. Talked briefly with the Rhodes coaches yesterday - they've got 3 games this week alone starting Monday night on the road @ Principia. Centre opens it up Wednesday @ home against a very solid Maryville team.  Know other squads are in action this week. How does everyone feel about their respective team as the season begins? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 15, 2009, 10:39:47 AM
Austin College opens up today against #12 UT-Dallas.  Well, at least we'll be getting a test early to give us an idea of what kind of team the 'Roos will be this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 16, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
Austin represented the SCAC well with a 79-77 OT win over Texas-Dallas.  That helped SCAC teams to an opening day split of 2-2 as Southwestern beat Dallas 48-46, but Trinity fell to Midwestern State 63-52 and Hendrix fell to U of the Ozarks 95-76.

Rhodes starts off today with their traditional early season victory over Principia, a team Rhodes has beaten 11 straight times.  Trinity takes on Texas A&M-Commerce (not to be confused with Texas A&M-Agricultural) this afternoon at 4:30 and BSC hosts LaGrange this evening.

Millsaps opens up tomorrow night against a tough NAIA Belhaven team that has started off the season 4-0, topping 100 points in 3 of those games.  I have seen Millsaps play once, the exhibition against a Jackson State University team that is the preseason pick to win the SWAC title.  It seems like Millsaps has the potential to be much better this season, but it was hard to tell for sure against D1 competition.  While Belhaven is also a team with scholarship players, I think they will be of the same caliber as the better SCAC teams so tomorrow's game should give some insight into how Millsaps will fare this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 16, 2009, 02:13:11 PM
The Centre-Maryville game Wed. @ Centre should be interesting.  Maryville has had trouble with Centre lately but this year's Scots appear to be deeper and more seasoned than last year's team, especially for this early in the season.  Maryville scored 94 points against Methodist yesterday while going 4 - 22 from 3 point land. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2009, 12:56:54 PM
NOTE TO THOSE INTERESTED IN MILLSAPS COLLEGE WEBCASTS:

Almost 40 of the men's and women's basketball games will be webcast this season starting with the men's game vs. Belhaven College this evening at 7:00 Central time.  The link to the webcast is:

http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Millsaps-College

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 17, 2009, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 16, 2009, 02:13:11 PM
The Centre-Maryville game Wed. @ Centre should be interesting.  Maryville has had trouble with Centre lately but this year's Scots appear to be deeper and more seasoned than last year's team, especially for this early in the season.  Maryville scored 94 points against Methodist yesterday while going 4 - 22 from 3 point land. 
Believe last year the Scots were on the cusp of being very good.  Another year with more experience and a deeper bench will make Maryville a huge challenge for Centre Wednesday night.  I will expect a close game, and wouldn't see it being an upset if Maryville wins this one.  Hopefully both squads can build off of this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 18, 2009, 08:47:31 PM
Maryville has put it to Centre in the opening 20 minutes, leading 40-24. They lead in every key statistical category. Colonels are shooting 31%. Lloyd leads Centre with 8. Going to need to play defense and score a few 3's to have a chance in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 18, 2009, 09:55:04 PM
Centre drops their opener to Maryville 72-70. Colonels were playing catch-up the entire night and shot 40% for the game. Noll was held in check, and the Scots' depth and experience showed throughout. All 5 Centre starters finished in double figures.  They were led by Crawford with 17. Ellis had 14 with 4 3's. Lloyd recorded a double-double as did Maryville's post, Hernandez. Valiant effort by Colonels to close the gap late, but it wasn't enough to earn a victory tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 18, 2009, 11:10:46 PM
PBrooks3.  Since you evidently saw the game, can you write a bit more about your impressions of the Scots?  It sounded on the radio like they were really good in the first half and less so later.  Also sounded like the Colonels, as usual, made a game of it even with Noll being controlled.  They always know what to do.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 19, 2009, 08:24:33 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 18, 2009, 11:10:46 PM
PBrooks3.  Since you evidently saw the game, can you write a bit more about your impressions of the Scots?  It sounded on the radio like they were really good in the first half and less so later.  Also sounded like the Colonels, as usual, made a game of it even with Noll being controlled.  They always know what to do.
Amazing that I seem that good in my analysis; I'm not, nor was I at the game!  I followed it pretty closely via Live Stats. I see enough Centre games and know their style of play that the Colonels can't get down 16-18 points to a quality opponent like Maryville and win a basketball game. The Scots despite leaking some oil in the stretch did two key things in the game - they didn't turn the ball over much (7) and they knocked down free throws (16-18 I think). Centre will be a good team because of quality players and good coaching, but they're some growing pains as they mesh two talented freshmen into their starting lineup. Maryville's bench seemed to be a factor too in that they contributed much more than the Colonels' backups. I'm glad to see that Centre kept competing down the stretch, but the better team won last night's game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 19, 2009, 11:37:15 AM
As an experienced ex-Scot said on the GSAC board, it is never easy to play at Centre.  Good luck to the Colonels and maybe the two teams will see each other again later on. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 19, 2009, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2009, 12:56:54 PM
NOTE TO THOSE INTERESTED IN MILLSAPS COLLEGE WEBCASTS:

Almost 40 of the men's and women's basketball games will be webcast this season starting with the men's game vs. Belhaven College this evening at 7:00 Central time.  The link to the webcast is:

http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Millsaps-College



Frank,
Watched the webcast the other night and it was great! Derrel Palmer does a great job with the broadcast and I enjoy his insight. I could see Millsaps as a .500 team this year, maybe a 13-12 kind of year. The Majors have too many new faces I think to make any kind of a run in the SCAC, which is probably why they were picked 9th of 11 teams. Anyways, looking forward to Friday night's broadcast vs Pensacola Christian with SID Kevin Maloney on the call because DP will be at the Pearl playoff game. GO MAJORS!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 19, 2009, 10:45:01 PM

Noted that Emory took down Oglethorpe in OT tonite 85-81. OU went into this game a bit banged up.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on November 19, 2009, 11:00:05 PM
OU was without starting point guard David Allison but Oglethorpe should have won this game. The Petrels played a very poor first half of basketball and Emory easily broke the zone and nailed 8 three pointers. Even with the 12 point defecit at the half the Petrels chipped away at the Emory lead and were sparked by transfer Tyler Cerone's back to back 3 pointers. The Petrels seemed to have the game locked up, up by 6 with under 2 to go. Poor free thow shooting did the Petrels in as they missed their last 5 (I think) down the stretch and Emory was able to tie the game up. Under 20 seconds left and the Petrels had a chance for the win as they drew a play up for Todd Ward and he seemed to have clear drive to the basket but a hard take to the hoop did not fall and no foul was called as bodies fell... Any other juncture and I'm sure a foul is called, but not with the game on the line.  Emory hit a quick 2 followed by a 3 (in the overtime)  and the Petrels were never able to recover.

The story of the night had to be free throw shooting as OU shot a dismal 7-19 from the charity stripe! As hard as this loss is to take it may be just what this team needed to focus on the rest of the season after lofty expectations were placed on them in the pre season. They will recover and learn from this and benefit from it in the long run.

Go Petrels!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2009, 01:22:36 AM
Rhodes is hosting a tournament this weekend for both mens and womens teams. Schools participating are Greenville (IL), Westminister, Hendrix and the Lynx. Rhodes will play Greenville tomorrow and Westminister Saturday. There"ll be 4 games tomorrow & 4 Saturday. Good way to get a quick fix on early season D3 hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 20, 2009, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on November 19, 2009, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2009, 12:56:54 PM
NOTE TO THOSE INTERESTED IN MILLSAPS COLLEGE WEBCASTS:

Almost 40 of the men's and women's basketball games will be webcast this season starting with the men's game vs. Belhaven College this evening at 7:00 Central time.  The link to the webcast is:

http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Millsaps-College



Frank,
Watched the webcast the other night and it was great! Derrel Palmer does a great job with the broadcast and I enjoy his insight. I could see Millsaps as a .500 team this year, maybe a 13-12 kind of year. The Majors have too many new faces I think to make any kind of a run in the SCAC, which is probably why they were picked 9th of 11 teams. Anyways, looking forward to Friday night's broadcast vs Pensacola Christian with SID Kevin Maloney on the call because DP will be at the Pearl playoff game. GO MAJORS!

The game this evening starts at 7 and Kevin has always done a good job when filling in for DP.  Despite losing two key players in Chad Songy and Chris Sanders from last year's team, I believe Millsaps will be much improved this year.  It is definitely a blue collar team that counts on hard work and success as a unit rather than a few individuals carrying the team.  From what I've seen early, some of the newcomers have a lot of potential, AND JUST AS IMPORTANT, they seem to understand just how much effort is expected from them at both ends of the floor.  

I'm not predicting that Millsaps is going to be an upset winner of the SCAC, but I think they are a team that can upset all of the teams who have high hopes for winning the league.  And if they get to the SCAC Tournament on their home court, maybe they can put together 3 good games and win the thing.  There's a lot of basketball to play before giving much thought to that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 20, 2009, 05:03:56 PM
AC is heading down to Dallas for a tournament this weekend.  The 'Roos have Rust College tonight.  Based on what I've heard/seen/etc about Rust, seems like it should be a pretty easy win.

If AC wins out over the weekend to start out 4-0, what are the odds they get a couple votes in the D3Hoops Top 25 poll, considering they beat #12 UTD?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2009, 08:11:52 PM
Exciting finish at Rhodes in the opener with Hendrix defeating Westminster 80-78. With about 20 seconds left Hendrix got a traditional 3 point play from Jesse Ford to retake the lead for good. It was a seesaw affair throughout the 2nd half.  2nd game begins shortly between Rhodes and Greenville.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2009, 09:03:45 PM
Rhodes is behind at halftime 32-29.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2009, 10:37:37 PM
Rhodes pulls out a victory - 71-67.  Reid Hamilton leads the way with 20 points followed by Saberion with 18.  This one was close the whole way with the lead changing hands a number of times.  Saberion took over down the stretch to hit some key baskets.  Hamilton went down with about 8 minutes to go with a severe ankle sprain and did not return.  These teams were pretty evenly matched, though Greenville turned the ball over a ton in the 2nd half.

The hero of the 1st game, Jesse Ford, went down with a bad injury to his knee with about 20 seconds remaining after he'd put Hendrix in the lead for good.  He was going to have knee evaluated after the game.  No news yet.

Rhodes does have a young leader in the making in freshman point guard, Andrew Gallows.  He scored 11 points and demonstrated pretty fair court awareness much of the game.  While he made a few silly mistakes, he's got good ballhandling skills and seems to know when to drive it and when to distribute.  He has nice size (6'4") and decent quickness.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on November 21, 2009, 12:39:04 AM
Story about the Rhodes victory is on their website at

http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/20/MBBALL_Greenville_College_1120092625.aspx?path=mbball (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/20/MBBALL_Greenville_College_1120092625.aspx?path=mbball)

Schedule for the remainder of the Tipoff Classic by Hampton Inn~Poplar is:

Hendrix vs. Greenville          3pm
Rhodes vs. Westminster      5pm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2009, 08:50:30 AM
Thanks for the link phillipst.  Hope you'll stick around and report on the Lynxs all season.

Millsaps had a spotty game with Pensacola Christian last night, eventually winning 71-59.  The game never seemed to get into much of a flow for either team, not surprising for Millsaps since there are a lot of new faces being thrown into the mix.  Some familiar faces led the way as Blake Martinez bombed away for 27 points, Chris Ingle played his typical "no frills, just results" game and netted 15 points to go along with 7 rebounds, and Cameron Varnado dunked on 2 of his 3 baskets including one drive to the hoop that definitely sent a buzz through the crowd. 

Link to story:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/11/21/MBB_1121095507.aspx

Link to Boxscore:  http://www.gomajors.com/custompages/MBB/2009-10/stats/mcm10-02.htm 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 21, 2009, 06:40:36 PM
Hendrix comes back in the final 5 minutes to win 85-76. Cal Rose heated up when the team needed it to knock down 3 consecutive 3's in the span of 60 seconds to help Hendrix pull away. Nick Heathscott was steady dropping in 27 points and Aamon Martin tallied 16 including 4 free throws in the stretch run. Greenville seems to be able to play 35 minutes of strong basketball before they lose control. Their loss today followed script with the way they dropped last night's game to Rhodes.

Westminster is leading Rhodes by 6 with 10 minutes remaining in the opening half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 21, 2009, 07:05:49 PM
Rhodes closed out the 1st half strong after getting down 13 with 7 minutes left and finds itself down only 2 at the break - 44-42. Andyshea Saberion has been big knocking down shots and getting steals. He's got 14; Reid Hamilton has 10. A game of runs for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on November 21, 2009, 09:21:44 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2009, 10:37:37 PM
Rhodes pulls out a victory - 71-67.  Reid Hamilton leads the way with 20 points followed by Saberion with 18.  This one was close the whole way with the lead changing hands a number of times.  Saberion took over down the stretch to hit some key baskets.  Hamilton went down with about 8 minutes to go with a severe ankle sprain and did not return.  These teams were pretty evenly matched, though Greenville turned the ball over a ton in the 2nd half.

The hero of the 1st game, Jesse Ford, went down with a bad injury to his knee with about 20 seconds remaining after he'd put Hendrix in the lead for good.  He was going to have knee evaluated after the game.  No news yet.

Rhodes does have a young leader in the making in freshman point guard, Andrew Gallows.  He scored 11 points and demonstrated pretty fair court awareness much of the game.  While he made a few silly mistakes, he's got good ballhandling skills and seems to know when to drive it and when to distribute.  He has nice size (6'4") and decent quickness.

Ford's knee is not an ACL tear, that's the good news.  Best case scenario, it is his MCL and he will be back in 4-6 weeks.  Should know more after a visit to the doctor on Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 21, 2009, 09:25:42 PM
Rhodes fought their way back gallantly in the 2nd half to take a lead but couldn't pull away, losing it in the last minute 80-79.  Westminster built a 4-point lead in the final seconds, and Gallow hit a three with 0.5 seconds to bring the Lynx within 1.  This one honestly could have gone either way - no team dominated throughout.

Centre took it on the chin again tonight at Lexington against Transylvania.  This one ended 68-60 with Centre closing the gap in the later stage to 3 points after being down 17 points with about 11 minutes remaining.  Didn't see much of the video feed, but the Colonels shot poorly again early and dug themselves a hole of which they could not overcome.

Heard the young man on Hendrix's team (Jesse Ford) who suffered a knee injury Friday did not tear his ACL.  That's good.  It could be his MCL which would possibly allow him to resume his senior campaign in January sometime. 

 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on November 21, 2009, 10:20:49 PM
That is good news for Ford and Hendrix.  No one ever wants to see a kid go down with a knee injury, and this one looked scary.
Ford was somewhat forgotten last year after starting a few games as a sophomore, he has played well so far this season.  He will be missed inside, where a lack of depth is already a problem.
Hopefully the Warriors can build on their wins in Memphis, and will be healthy again by the time conference season begins.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on November 21, 2009, 11:29:21 PM
Final Record from Memphis and The Rhodes Classic Tipoff by Hampton Inn-Poplar

Hendrix 2-0
Rhodes 1-1

Rhodes lost a hard fought ball to a good Westminster club (picked to win the SLIAC).  Follow up on the story is at:
http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/21/MBBALL_Westminster_1121092845.aspx (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/21/MBBALL_Westminster_1121092845.aspx)

Rhodes will host a Thanksgiving Tournament this weekend.  Fellow SCAC member Sewanee will also be in town for the tournament.  Gametimes are as follows:

Friday, November 27th
Earlham vs. Sewanee       5:00 pm
Rhodes vs. Principia          7:00 pm

Saturday, November 28th
Principia vs. Sewanee        1:00 pm
Rhodes vs. Earlham           3:00 pm

Hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving and a blessed season... SCAC play is just around the corner :) :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 21, 2009, 11:46:56 PM
AC beat Sul Ross today to improve to 4-0.  Kola Alade went for 24 to lead the way.  The 'Roos have UTD next after upsetting them in the first game of the season, so we'll see what happens (this time it's on the road).

Great start to the season for AC, and Kola should be a legit contender for conference POTY, if you ask me.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 22, 2009, 09:53:21 AM
Good stuff phillipst.

The Rhodes squad I believe has a chance to make some waves in the SCAC this season. The team is beginning to see who are the go-to guys are and put the ball in their hands in critical moments. Saberion plays passionately and is getting better with his on-court decision-making. Hamilton, if he stays healthy is a scorer with a balance of shots & range. Freshman Gallow showed in the late stages yesterday why Coach Hilgeman is so high on him - he's got a strong basketball IQ. The kid on this team that really has grown on me is Kilpatrick. He's a lunchpail sort of kid who seems to play his heart out every single moment while in the game. He's really Rhodes' best rebounder and only one that consistently goes after the ball. He's refreshing to me in that he'll dive on the floor for a loose ball. The Lynx would benefit from using him in some other ways offensively, too. Seems to me he's too perimeter-oriented - because he's got a nose for where the ball is and he's got decent size, I think he should be getting some plays closer to the basket. While this may not be his natural game, I'd like to see him develop this part of his game.

One last observation - Lynx showed the ability to play good continuous flow defense on several possessions yesterday against Wesminster. Several times they forced the Bluejays to consume the entire 35 second clock. Think if Rhodes will exert this sort of energy more consistently throughout 40 minutes, things will improve, including the rebounding.  Luckett probably ought to supplant Cunningham among starters when he begins to figure things out.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on November 22, 2009, 08:37:36 PM
DePauw Men off to a nice start.Won a nice tourney at Albion this weekend. We had a strong Albion team down 20 in second half.A bit of inexperience allowed a much closer finish than need be.Battling a lot of injuries,but young players getting a chance to step up. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mford on November 23, 2009, 08:52:23 AM
Thanks to everyone for all the kind words for Jesse.  He will have an MRI today or tomorrow in Conway. 
We received a glimmer of hope from the orthopedic doctor at Rhodes on Saturday and continue to hope that surgery will not be necessary. 

We appreciate those who offered their prayers and support after the game!

Go Warriors!

mitch ford
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 23, 2009, 05:25:01 PM
Congrats to Kola Alade, who was named the SCAC Player of the Week after averaging nearly 19 points along with 6 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals to go along with nearly 54% shooting from the field as the 'Roos went 4-0 to open the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 24, 2009, 10:01:22 AM
Important game tonight as the Colonels look for senior Danny Noll to break out and lead his team to a victory against a scrappy Franklin team. Think it's important for the players' mental state to play an effective opening half. Shooting 30-35% in the 1st half has been as prescription for trouble so far. While Franklin is probably not in the category of a Maryville or a Transy, they usually exhibit solid guard play which can wreak havoc on a team that's not prepared. Looking for Coach Mason's bench to assert itself more tonite. This is an important component of the team that needs to take shape before the SCAC schedule begins. I believe Centre will be purposeful in their play and execution against Franklin. One thing the pundits can say is Centre didn't schedule 3 "softies" to open their season!

Good post from mford. Hope Jesse is able to get back on the court real soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 24, 2009, 10:38:56 AM
Quote from: jekelish on November 21, 2009, 11:46:56 PM
AC beat Sul Ross today to improve to 4-0.  Kola Alade went for 24 to lead the way.  The 'Roos have UTD next after upsetting them in the first game of the season, so we'll see what happens (this time it's on the road).

Great start to the season for AC, and Kola should be a legit contender for conference POTY, if you ask me.


Austin has another match-up tonite with highly rated Texas-Dallas on the road. This will be another game to gauge the consistency of this Roo squad early. They are off to a great start and Alade is playing at a very high level. Is this a team to watch in the SCAC West? Think so.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on November 24, 2009, 02:14:40 PM
The Franklin roster does not list any Juniors or Seniors on their squad.Is that in error? Any insight into that situation? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 24, 2009, 06:37:10 PM
Brave Heart - you read it correctly. I think there's one or two juniors and the rest are freshmen and sophomores. They don't have a deep bench either but they've traditionally competed hard against Centre, even in Danville. They lost a bunch of good kids after last season. This I believe is their 1st road game.  I expect Centre to win, but you can't discount this group; that's why they play the game.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 24, 2009, 07:40:22 PM
On another AC note, this past weekend Kola Alade surpassed 1000 career points.  Considering he missed a good portion of his freshman season, that's a pretty good accomplishment.  He's the 17th player in AC history to reach that milestone, and the first since I think 2006-07.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 24, 2009, 11:09:18 PM
Centre finally notched a win tonite @ Franklin 79-51. Danny Noll led the way with 25 followed by Jeff Mullaney's 22. Alex Lloyd narrowly missed a D-D with 13 rebounds & 8 points. Colonels shot the ball much better and got higher % looks/makes. Noll scored mostly inside the arc. Team was 4-10 from the 3-point line, over 50% on FGs and more than 80% on the line. A much-needed victory and now an opportunity for the team to enjoy Thanksgiving.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 27, 2009, 11:33:01 AM
As phillipst noted, Rhodes is doing another men's tournament this weekend - today Rhodes plays Principia; Sewanee takes Earlham. Tomorrow Rhodes plays Earlham and Sewanee plays Principia.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on November 27, 2009, 03:37:30 PM
A little preview of the Thanksgiving Classic by Hampton Inn

http://www.rhodeslynx.com/documents/2009/11/27/Rhodes_Thanksgiving_Classic_Preview.pdf?id=1333 (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/documents/2009/11/27/Rhodes_Thanksgiving_Classic_Preview.pdf?id=1333)

Come watch two SCAC teams play if you are in the Memphis Area for Thanksgiving Holidays!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on November 27, 2009, 11:36:03 PM
Sewanee 87
Earlham 81   in OT

Rhodes 92
Principia 63

Rhodes overcame a Thanksgiving Hangover to score 55 points in the second half for the victory.  Game recap is at http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/27/MBBALL_Rhodes_vs_Principia_1127092541.aspx?path=mbball (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/27/MBBALL_Rhodes_vs_Principia_1127092541.aspx?path=mbball)

Second day of Thanksgiving Classic by Hampton Inn~Poplar is:
Sewanee vs. Principia   1pm
Rhodes vs. Earlham       3pm
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 28, 2009, 03:55:46 PM
Got an early look at Sewanee today @ the Rhodes Thanksgiving Classic. The Tigers toyed with Principia for the first 30 minutes or so. They wrestled control easily winning by 10. I thought it was ironic that the team with size (Sewanee) was pretty much perimeter-oriented while Principia drove the ball to the basket. Sewanee made their share of 3's but weren't super crisp on the passing or the defensive end of the court. The 6'9" post presence (Hollingsworth) was neutralized by the smaller quicker Panthers. A couple of sparks for Sewanee were Andrew Little and the backup pg Brett Bouldin (a freshman). Sam Martin played a steady backup role iNn the 4 & 5 slots for the Tigers.  It's early and the holiday weekend but I'd say Coach Smith is still retooling and looking for the right rotations at this stage. They will win some games on the mountain but I don't see them making a habit of getting SCAC road victories. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on November 28, 2009, 08:40:09 PM
Rhodes Thanksgiving Classic by Hampton Inn ~ Poplar

Sewanee 2-0 with wins over Earlham and Principia
Rhodes 1-1 with win over Principia and overtime loss to Earlham

Recap of the Rhodes / Earlham game are at:

http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/28/MBBALL_Earlham_College_1128092905.aspx?path=mbball (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/28/MBBALL_Earlham_College_1128092905.aspx?path=mbball)

Rhodes is back in action on Monday, November 30th at 7pm versus University of Dallas.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 28, 2009, 08:54:00 PM
The 2nd game at Rhodes turned in an exciting one as Rhodes came back at the end of regulation to tie the game & create OT. The Lynx got the opening basket in the OT and it looked like they had regained momentum to perhaps close it out. Unfortunately, it didn't follow suit. A lot of missed OT shots and a bunch of made free throws from Earlham spelled DOOM for the Lynx 87-79. Earlham was good on the line when it counted. Rhodes played well in short waves in this one. They came out of the gate early opening a 10-12 point lead. This didn't last; Earlham found the range & began hitting shots. They caught the Lynx midway through the opening half. The game had numerous lead changes, and was fun to watch.

Rhodes is similar in many respects to last year, but probably a bit better. They are capable of playing decent defense but they either have single player breakdowns or they lose track of the time on the shot clock.  Consistency is definitely an issue.  Basketball generally is game of runs. Unfortunately for Rhodes the swings are just too dramatic during their games.

Last thing - young Andrew Gallow played a nice game for the Lynx today with 27 points. He shot a bunch of free throws and I don't think he missed a one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 30, 2009, 07:48:38 AM
Centre hits the NAIA road tonight playing a midstate rival in Berea. Berea provides a competitive game as the Colonels prepare for the opening of the SCAC schedule this coming weekend when they travel to Birmingham-Southern & Rhodes. I look forward to finally catching the Colonels on their early season swing to Memphis.

This Centre team needs to continue building off the nice win against Franklin. Scoring the basketball with high percentage looks is the key.  Lockdown half court defense and rebounding are important as well. Last but not least - the further melding of the new players into Coach Mason's system.
   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 30, 2009, 10:07:50 PM
Rhodes missed Andyshea Saberioon tonight as Dallas beats the Lynx 65-57. Rhodes seemed slightly out-of-synch much of the night offensively without an injured Saberioon available to give much needed leadership. Rhodes didn't shoot it well and young Gallow struggled to find both teammates and baskets much of the night. Give Dallas credit - they played decent defense and were 1st to most of the loose balls.  Kory Kilpatrick had a pair of lengthy rainbow 3's and led Rhodes in scoring.  A pretty ugly game from both teams actually, but Dallas was a tad bit better and scraped more.   


Centre got clobbered pretty good at Berea tonight 71-59 shooting a horrid 31% from the field with 3-22 from behind the arc. Berea was never really challenged by the Colonels. Danny Noll had probably the poorest shooting night of his career.  Centre won the rebounding battle but lost in virtually every other key statistical category.   

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on November 30, 2009, 11:28:48 PM
As pbrooks stated Rhodes dropped a home game to the University of Dallas tonight 57-65.  Recap is posted on the Rhodes website at:

http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/30/MBBALL_UniversityofDallas_1130092114.aspx?path=mbball (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/11/30/MBBALL_UniversityofDallas_1130092114.aspx?path=mbball)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 04, 2009, 09:43:23 AM
It all gets serious this weekend with SCAC action already having cranked up with Southwestern putting a double-digit win on Trinity last night. Will take in the games Friday & Sunday @ Rhodes with DePauw and Centre.

Good story in the local Danville paper on the two Centre freshmen in their starting lineup - Crawford & Ellis. Here's the link:

http://www.amnews.com/stories/2009/12/03/spo.854435.sto
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on December 04, 2009, 04:49:34 PM
AC hosts Hendrix tonight and Millsaps tomorrow.  It'd be awfully nice for the 'Roos to get a 2-0 start to the season, but both teams should present a bit of a challenge.  I don't care about records so far, because we all know things change once you get into conference play.  I mean, does anyone really think Trinity's start is at all indicative of how they'll finish out the SCAC season?

Either way, the fact that Andrew King is no longer around is huge for the 'Roos, and if Alade and Straley can keep it up (fully expect it from Kola) and Sturtevant can finally get his offense going, it could be a good weekend for AC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 04, 2009, 05:44:27 PM
Quote from: jekelish on December 04, 2009, 04:49:34 PM
AC hosts Hendrix tonight and Millsaps tomorrow.  It'd be awfully nice for the 'Roos to get a 2-0 start to the season, but both teams should present a bit of a challenge.  I don't care about records so far, because we all know things change once you get into conference play.  I mean, does anyone really think Trinity's start is at all indicative of how they'll finish out the SCAC season?

Either way, the fact that Andrew King is no longer around is huge for the 'Roos, and if Alade and Straley can keep it up (fully expect it from Kola) and Sturtevant can finally get his offense going, it could be a good weekend for AC.

I actually like Austin's chances of getting through these opening 2 games 2-0.  Hendrix in my opinion, is not quite where they were last year when they had the senior leadership of King, Foley and gang.  I think the Warriors will get better with every game - think Austin wins by 7 this evening.

Other games - I like Colorado College at home to beat Millsaps by 5.  Centre invades Birmingham-Southern & likely loses by 6.  DePauw is all over Rhodes tonight by 13.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on December 04, 2009, 10:55:30 PM
AC by 10 tnight.  Closer than final score.  Alade and Sturdivent didn't do much, but several player came off the bench and played great.
Rizos played good tonight but HC will suffer not having ford.  He was a t the game in street clothes.  No word on  injry.
The problem was free throws.  HC couldn't buy one. 
maybe better at CC Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 04, 2009, 11:34:36 PM
DePauw handled Rhodes with relative ease in the 2nd half and coasted in the stretch 86-64.  The Tigers were strong throughout the game with one big lull just before half where Rhodes scraped and cut a 10-12 point lead to a 1 pt deficit at the half.  Rhodes' energy level dissipated in the final 20 minutes.  David Gray began asserting himself in the middle and helping his team get some 2nd chance baskets.  LeMasters found his shooting touch early and made 16 of his 23 in the opening half; he canned six 3's and Rhodes simply couldn't keep up with him.  The Lynx made some hustle plays but their defense wasn't up to the task of handling the DePauw offensive ball movement.  Key stats for DPU were solid rebounding and limited turnovers.  Both teams shot the ball at about a 50% clip, but DePauw got a lot more looks & shots based on their superior rebounding.  Kory Kilpatrick's numbers were pretty good for Rhodes with 13 points, only 2 missed shots, 8 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 turnover. 

DePauw definitely showed depth, high energy and pretty nice chemistry.  They're off to a good start which may establish them as the favorite in the SCAC east.  Tony James is not flashy and rarely shoots the ball, but he made plays tonight - 8 assists, no turnovers.  Coach Fenlon's team is more balanced this year than the 2008-09 version that had Mike Moore.  While I think a good defensive opponent with some post strength could give DePauw a challenge, I'm scratching my head wondering who that might be in the SCAC this year. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on December 05, 2009, 12:01:26 AM
Rhodes Story is on the web at:

http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/12/4/MBBALL_DePauw_Recap_1204094939.aspx?path=mbball (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/12/4/MBBALL_DePauw_Recap_1204094939.aspx?path=mbball)

A tale of two halves offensively for Rhodes as they scored 37 in the first frame but managed only 27 in teh second.

Rhodes versus Centre at 3pm on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 05, 2009, 08:36:28 AM
Nothing noteworthy here but a brief video of last night's action between Rhodes & DePauw - nobody scored in this sequence, but DePauw got 86 in 40 minutes!  This is purely an amateur's effort and doesn't hold a candle to a true pro like Frank Ezelle!  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzeDZFWlPRA&feature=youtube_gdata
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on December 05, 2009, 05:23:25 PM
So is everyone playing tonight, or just AC/Millsaps?  I would assume most teams are because of finals, but I only know the AC schedule.  Anyway, any predictions for tonight?  AC won last night despite foul trouble and a pretty minimal scoring output from Kola Alade (he picked up three fouls in the first half and just never really got into the flow).

I'd expect to see him rebound since he's had two subpar outtings in a row and he's due for a big game.  Watch out, Majors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2009, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 05, 2009, 08:36:28 AM
Nothing noteworthy here but a brief video of last night's action between Rhodes & DePauw - nobody scored in this sequence, but DePauw got 86 in 40 minutes!  This is purely an amateur's effort and doesn't hold a candle to a true pro like Frank Ezelle!  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzeDZFWlPRA&feature=youtube_gdata


At least it gives us a chance to see the inside of the Rhodes gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 06, 2009, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2009, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 05, 2009, 08:36:28 AM
Nothing noteworthy here but a brief video of last night's action between Rhodes & DePauw - nobody scored in this sequence, but DePauw got 86 in 40 minutes!  This is purely an amateur's effort and doesn't hold a candle to a true pro like Frank Ezelle!  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzeDZFWlPRA&feature=youtube_gdata


Actually a nice gym with a good floor and decent lighting. Rarely do they come close to filling it. Of course I liked it for the years the SCAC tournament was played in Memphis. I believe you can catch the Rhodes' home  games on video so you might want to check it out sometime. 

At least it gives us a chance to see the inside of the Rhodes gym.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on December 06, 2009, 08:08:24 PM
Rhodes lost to Centre 62-69 today.

Recap and Boxscore
http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/12/6/MBBALL_Centre_College_Recap_1206090252.aspx (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/12/6/MBBALL_Centre_College_Recap_1206090252.aspx)
http://www.rhodeslynx.com/documents/2009/12/6/Rhodes_vs_Centre_12_06_09.pdf?id=1338 (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/documents/2009/12/6/Rhodes_vs_Centre_12_06_09.pdf?id=1338)

Rhodes is on the road in Nashville on Tuesday night and then a road game versus University of Dallas before they are off for the Holidays.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 06, 2009, 08:09:16 PM
Centre men picked up their opening SCAC win today 69-62. Rhodes played the Colonels tough defensively for most of the game and the outcome was not clear until the very end. Andrew Gallow played a solid offensive game for the Lynx scoring 16. He took his defender off the dribble successfully several times for timely baskets. Rhodes built a 8-9 point lead midway through the opening half and led by 4 @ the break.  Colonels whittled away at the Rhodes lead 5-6 minutes into the 2nd half and maintained a single digit margin much of the final 15 minutes.  The Lynx did an effective job of bottling up Danny Noll limiting his touches. The stars for Centre today were Jeff Mullaney who tallied 16 points and 10 assists, and the bench which pitched in with 32 points. Matt Griggs had 10, Kyle Binder 11 and Dee Smith 9. The team shot the ball better breaking the 40% barrier along with 9-23 on the 3-ball. The bench had 7 of the 3's.  Outrebounded Rhodes by 8, too. 

Colonels need to make improvements on better utilizing their post presence for easy baskets - they're still not getting as many looks or fouls on the offensive end close to the basket.  Good win today and the DePauw loss @ Birmingham Southern by 16 today makes the Colonels' loss on Friday to B-S a bit less painful.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on December 08, 2009, 01:59:42 PM
B-S is a decent team that is quite deep.They wore us down with the full court pressure.DePauw closed it some late in the second half,but BS countered with some nice 3 balls.
It will be a different game( and outcome)when we meet again!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 08, 2009, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: brave heart on December 08, 2009, 01:59:42 PM
B-S is a decent team that is quite deep.They wore us down with the full court pressure.DePauw closed it some late in the second half,but BS countered with some nice 3 balls.
It will be a different game( and outcome)when we meet again!

So this is a home team thing - the BS team is decent but not good enough to beat the vanquished Tigers on the road?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on December 09, 2009, 08:19:25 AM
We will see ;) Playing on Sunday after a tough road contest the day before is a hard test for any team.That will be the case for BS when they visit Greencastle.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 09, 2009, 11:52:29 PM
Quote from: brave heart on December 09, 2009, 08:19:25 AM
We will see ;) Playing on Sunday after a tough road contest the day before is a hard test for any team.That will be the case for BS when they visit Greencastle.
Think you're probably right. I was simply a bit surprised by the margin of the BS victory on Sunday.  Still like DePauw as a front-runner when they are balanced and shoot the ball well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on December 17, 2009, 01:41:37 PM
Oglethorpe unveils new athletics website!

www.gopetrels.com
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on December 17, 2009, 09:20:10 PM
Hendrix beat Millsaps in overtime tonight, 71-67.  Sophomore Nick Heathscott had 30 points and 9 rebounds for the Warriors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 18, 2009, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: tarheelfan on December 17, 2009, 09:20:10 PM
Hendrix beat Millsaps in overtime tonight, 71-67.  Sophomore Nick Heathscott had 30 points and 9 rebounds for the Warriors.
Heathscott, for being a 6' 5" post, impressed me with his play when I saw him several weeks ago in Memphis.  He's got a nice low post offensive game with the ability to consistently hit the 8-10 ft. jumper.  He won't be confused with somebody like Todd Ward but he's an efficient player that plays to his strengths. Sounds like last night's game in Conway was a good one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 18, 2009, 12:03:24 PM
Centre Colonels picked up their 2nd consecutive win with a homecourt victory last night against NAIA foe, Asbury. Danny Noll led the way with a double-double / 19-11. Alex Lloyd pulled down 12 rebounds and Jeff Mullaney tallied 11 points. Another impressive performance off the bench for Kyle Binder who chipped in with 10 points, his 3rd double figure scoring effort in a row.

Colonels are back in action on the Monday (12/28) after Christmas in their annual holiday season tournament.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on December 20, 2009, 03:43:25 AM
The Lynx closed out 2009 with a road victory over the University of Dallas on Saturday.  Rhodes used a good defensive effort in the second half to build a double digit lead and eventually won 63-52.  With the victory the Lynx head into the holidays with a 5-5 record.  They are back in action as they travel to Sewanee and Oglethorpe to start 2010.

RECAP: http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/12/20/MBBALL_University_of_Dallas_1220093423.aspx (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/12/20/MBBALL_University_of_Dallas_1220093423.aspx)
BOXSCORE: http://www.rhodeslynx.com/documents/2009/12/20/Rhodes_at_University_of_Dallas_12_19_09.pdf?id=1345 (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/documents/2009/12/20/Rhodes_at_University_of_Dallas_12_19_09.pdf?id=1345)

Just want to wish all the SCAC and D3 supporters a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on December 22, 2009, 12:31:26 PM
Depauw back on track with a 66-55 win over Earlham. After Christmas tourney in Defience OH. 7-2 Tigers need to use the paint more for scoring. They were out scored by Earlham by 10 pts in the paint.We have three nice post players that could be utilized more.Life from 3 pt range has been pretty good but that can go South on you any time.
Merry Christmas to all you posters of the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 28, 2009, 04:38:28 PM
Centre hits the hardwood tonight in the opener of their Papa John's/Country Hearth Inn Tournament.  They'll play Emory & Henry to kick things off.  Tomorrow E & H will take on LaGrange.  Wednesday, things wrap up with Centre hosting LaGrange.  These games will give the Colonels an opportunity to hopefully move their record to 5-4 before things really begin to crank up in the SCAC.  While both E & H and LaGrange have losing records, each has played some good competition & records at this point in the season can be deceiving.  I will expect three decent basketball games over the course of the next 3 days.  There should be live stats offered through the Centre Athletic website, probably through the link below near gametime:

  http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/basketball_m/schedule_basketballm.html

Notice that Trinity & Southwestern are playing Midwestern teams from Illinois in their co-hosted tournament at Trinity today.  SW is matched up against Dominican in the early game and then Trinity hosts Illinois Wesleyan in the 2nd game.  Both SCAC teams will find Ill. Wesleyan to be a challenge for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 28, 2009, 05:21:33 PM
Southwestern has picked up another win today against Dominican 79-54.  They may be the leading candidate in the west to win this season.  They've got a nice rotation of bigs and wing players along with a veteran point in Anthony Cox.  Cox nearly willed his team to victory in the tournament last year against Centre in the final.  If they can take advantage of their home court, and win a few on the road like they've done at Trinity this season, I like their chances. 

Trinity got off to a decent start today, but IWU has finally grabbed control near the end of the opening half with a 40-28 lead.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 28, 2009, 09:33:22 PM
Colonels win 80-70 tonite. Shot the ball better which was bolstered by solid rebounding. Noll had 13 boards; Lloyd had 10. Balanced scoring w/ lots of good looks. Binder recorded his 4th straight double figure scoring game off the bench. Others scoring 2 digits were Dee Smith, Crawford, Noll & Mullaney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 30, 2009, 05:49:57 PM
Danny Noll is working on a nice game in the opening 20 minutes against LaGrange.  He's 5 for 7 from the field with 15 points as Centre leads at the half by 12. 

2 more games tonight for SCAC teams - Austin on the road at LeTourneau and DePauw playing in a tournament against Defiance.

Centre has struggled this season with consistent shooting, but Transy's upset this week of #1 Wash U is making the Colonels 8 point loss earlier at Transy look a bit better.

Hope the Colonels will seize total control of LaGrange in the 2nd half today.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 30, 2009, 06:33:19 PM
Colonels win 71-47; Noll notches 20 and Ellis 12.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on January 02, 2010, 02:17:35 AM
Rhodes defeated Sewanee 67-42 tonight on the Mountain.

RECAP: http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/1/1/MBBALL_Sewanee_0101103704.aspx?path=mbball (http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/1/1/MBBALL_Sewanee_0101103704.aspx?path=mbball)
BOX: http://rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/1/2/Rhodes_at_Sewanee_01_01_10.pdf?id=1346 (http://rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/1/2/Rhodes_at_Sewanee_01_01_10.pdf?id=1346)

Rhodes is at Oglethorpe on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 02, 2010, 08:09:05 PM
Looking for a good game tomorrow at Centre.Hope we get off to a better start than our last visit to Danville!De3pauw looks to get back on track after a disappointing loss at Defience.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 03, 2010, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: brave heart on January 02, 2010, 08:09:05 PM
Looking for a good game tomorrow at Centre.Hope we get off to a better start than our last visit to Danville!De3pauw looks to get back on track after a disappointing loss at Defience.
Think this will a real battle today.  DePauw is in a good position to pull out a rare win in Danville if they can score from the outside.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 03, 2010, 03:50:59 PM
DePauw has a 9 point lead at the half.  They are playing solid defense and taking good shots.  Centre continues its shooting woes and this game has the look of some of the earlier Centre losses.  Colonels will need to come out strong in the 2nd half and not let DePauw extend the margin.  If the Tigers can expand their lead in the opening 5 minutes of the 2nd half, this will put the Colonels in another tough spot.  Noll has 9 points, and Steve LeMaster has 11.  LeMaster knocked down 3 consecutive 3-balls late in the 1st half to help DePauw build on their lead. 

Rhodes has a 5 point lead on on Oglethorpe at half.  Nathan Ollie is back in the Rhodes lineup.  Expect OU to come out strong in the final 20 minutes after a so-so opening half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 03, 2010, 04:49:52 PM
Rhodes played a solid game in Atlanta, and it took Oglethorpe down to the wire before losing 61-55. 

Centre prevails in Danville 65-61.  Second half rebounding was a key along with the 1-2 scoring punch of Noll & Mullaney was the difference for the Colonels.  Mullaney was big in the late stages, especially some 2nd chance opportunities he took advantage of when it counted.  Noll made 5 3's but another weak team effort from the arc at 25%.  Bryon Ellis couldn't find a 3 today, but made 2 critical free throws in the final minute to extend the Centre lead to 4.  Alex Lloyd had 12 rebounds as the Colonels outrebounded DePauw by 6; they had 18 offensive rebounds as a team.

Trinity appears ready to give Colorado College its 1st SCAC loss as that game is about to conclude - it's over 60-50 TU.  Southwestern is up on Austin in the opening half in Georgetown by 9.  B-S is up on Sewanee by 5 near halftime.  We may be down to a single team with an umblemished conference record by the end of the day - Oglethorpe. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on January 04, 2010, 01:12:11 AM
The game between Oglethorpe and Rhodes today was a wonderful contest to be a part of with both teams truly battling it out.  Oglethorpe prevailed and is the only SCAC team with an unblemished record.

Rhodes drops to 6-6 overall with a 1-3 conference record.  You can always read more at http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/1/4/MBBALL_Oglethorpe_0104100627.aspx?path=mbball (http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/1/4/MBBALL_Oglethorpe_0104100627.aspx?path=mbball) with the boxscore at http://oglethorpe.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/files/oum-rcm.htm (http://oglethorpe.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/files/oum-rcm.htm)

Rhodes hosts Birmingham Southern on Saturday with a 5pm tipoff following the 3pm tipoff between the women's teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ououou on January 04, 2010, 08:30:57 AM
the rhodes-oglethorpe game was an excellent college basketball game. the rhodes synopsis... while entertaining,  left a couple of points out.
everyone knows that ogelthorpe plays a lot of zone. sometimes it seems that defense is an afterthought. it leads to not having the same number of fouls as a team that plays man to man.
while it is true that rhodes committed 13 fouls to oglethorpes 8.... four of those fouls were in the final 90 seconds. hence the wide disparity in free throws as we hit 8 in that time period.
more importantly... in a four guard offense, oglethorpe had 8 turnovers while rhodes had 16.   rhodes struggled from the field shooting 2 for 19 from outside the line. that happens on a sunday road game.
oglethorpe is playing pretty well now that david allison has returned. the win ovr birmingham southern was a lot of fun.  pinholster court was packed. bsc has a lot of atlanta connctions on its roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 04, 2010, 09:48:10 AM
Quote from: ououou on January 04, 2010, 08:30:57 AM
the rhodes-oglethorpe game was an excellent college basketball game. the rhodes synopsis... while entertaining,  left a couple of points out.
everyone knows that ogelthorpe plays a lot of zone. sometimes it seems that defense is an afterthought. it leads to not having the same number of fouls as a team that plays man to man.
while it is true that rhodes committed 13 fouls to oglethorpes 8.... four of those fouls were in the final 90 seconds. hence the wide disparity in free throws as we hit 8 in that time period.
more importantly... in a four guard offense, oglethorpe had 8 turnovers while rhodes had 16.   rhodes struggled from the field shooting 2 for 19 from outside the line. that happens on a sunday road game.
oglethorpe is playing pretty well now that david allison has returned. the win ovr birmingham southern was a lot of fun.  pinholster court was packed. bsc has a lot of atlanta connctions on its roster.
Oglethorpe has positioned itself nicely starting the SCAC part of the schedule.  This coming weekend's road trip promises to be an exciting one for them as they get to tussle with eastern division foes Centre & DePauw.  While it won't dictate things for the remainder of the season necessarily, even a 1-1 road trip would be big for OU; 2-0 would be huge.  There seems to be a fair amount parity in the league this season, and a good team like Oglethorpe that can steal a road win or two against a decent SCAC opponent can gain the upper hand.

Curious about Sunday's game against Rhodes - Todd Ward scored 5 taking only 5 shots and pulling down 6 rebounds in 34 minutes.  Did Rhodes stack their defense to shut him down?

Is it my imagination, or is Rhodes beginning to play better defense this year? 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ououou on January 07, 2010, 01:23:33 PM
Nice observation. I don't think Todd is all the way back. He had a little scare wi5th that ankle against Rhodes and then took a  shot to the face.  Not to worry.... he still has his explosive moments. 
Oglethorpe has a bit more depth this year and enough weapons that it has been someone different each night. As I said before, David Allison back at the point has changed the tone. This weekend is big. If you want to be considered an elite club, you have to beat the teams that have been the benchmarks.
I thought that Rhodes played effective interior defense.  They controlled tempo.
I won't be shocked at all if they knock off Birmingham Southern this coming weekend. I enjoy watching BSC. The substitution pattern works for me. Any time that Aaron Parr spends sitting down works for the opposition.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 07, 2010, 02:10:22 PM
In case there is any interest among SCAC followers, some D3 posters each year like to rate the top 25 teams on a weekly basis.  This board is called Posters Poll and is listed under Multi-Regional Topics.  Check this out if you've got an interest in participating.  The first Posters Poll for this basketball season will be through games this coming weekend.  It's kind of fun to compare weekly how the Posters Poll looks versus the real D3 Top 25 rankings.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 08, 2010, 08:47:25 PM
Pretty decent game at the half in Danville with Oglethorpe leading 30-26. Todd Ward has 9 points. Centre is being led by Jeff Mullaney with 8. OU is shooting close to 50% while Centre is struggling at around 30%. Colonels have a slight rebounding advantage. Very few fouls and only 2 free throws attempted collectively in the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 08, 2010, 09:59:15 PM
Never quite sure with Live Stats but I think Centre prevailed in OT 59-58 thanks to a short jumper from Jeff Mullaney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 08, 2010, 10:45:41 PM
Hendrix dropped another game tonight, this time at home against Trinity.  The Warriors aren't playing well, and don't seem to have any chemistry. 
Heathscott continues to play well.  Other than that it's ugly in Conway.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 09, 2010, 08:08:37 AM
Speaking of ugly, Centre won on a late jumper in OT over Oglethorpe in a game that was anything but pretty. Actually it was a defensive slugfest and the Colonels can count themselves fortunate to come out of their gym with a 'W'.  As evidenced the last 2 home game, this Centre squad has a different makeup than in recent years. Part of the deal is blending young, new players with the experienced ones.  So far though this team is more physical and is using its size to create 2nd chance points much of the time. This is of the utmost importance when your team shoots only 30% like the Colonels did last night.  Sophomore Jeff Mullaney was Centre hero last night converting the late basket in OT to go along with 26 points and 5-11 from behind the arc. Both Danny Noll and Alex Lloyd had double-digit rebounding efforts, and Noll's was a double-double. Todd Ward led OU with his own double-double and a team high 19 points. 

I think on paper and for the majority of last night's game Oglethorpe was the better team. The road in the SCAC can be a sobering experience as OU discovered. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on January 09, 2010, 09:17:48 PM
Rhodes fell to Birmingham Southern tonight 62-100.  The Panthers were lights out from beyond the arc, shooting 18-32 for the game.  Birmingham Southern will give anyone fits if they shoot the way they did tonight.  Rhodes is back in action this weekend with SCAC road games to Austin College and Colorado College.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 09, 2010, 10:20:45 PM
Second what Phillipst said about Birmingham-Southern today. B-S was fired up and playing tough 15 deep into their bench. Even a reserve canned 5 triples in a row today. While the score got out of control in the 2nd half, it didn't have laugher written all over it until near halftime. B-S did come out of the gate fairly strong with plenty of quick, crisp passing that got them some easy baskets against a Rhodes man-to-man. Then Rhodes switched to a zone and it took some time for Birmingham-Southern to figure this out. With 5 minutes left in the opening half it was a close game. Then B-S caught fire hitting some 3's and setting up their full court press. Rhodes began turning the ball over and they couldn't buy a call. B-S was able to stretch the lead to double digits by the half. The opening 2 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half then set the stage for the onslaught that would occur.  Birmingham-Southern turned up their defensive intensity and quickly upped their lead to 25 points. They were extremely efficient, patient and as the looks opened up, they took advantage hitting shots from everywhere.  Rhodes' spirit and will got broken, and the final 16 minutes wasn't much of a game from a spectator's vantagepoint unless you were hanging around to see if Birmingham-Southern could hit the century mark!  B-S is good; there is no doubt about that.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 10, 2010, 04:40:49 PM
Centre gets an easy win today defeating Sewanee 71-36.  Sewanee got only 8 points in the opening half. Jeff Mullaney had another nice game shooting the ball with 18 points. Colonels shot 50%, a significant improvement over the 30% from the Oglethorpe game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 10, 2010, 05:05:52 PM
Good weekend for Millsaps as they defend their hometurf well with wins over Southwestern and Trinity. Maybe this will inspire a few pearls of wisdom from Frank on his beloved Majors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 12, 2010, 01:23:21 PM
Nice weekend for Depauw with large margin wins over Univ of the South and a tough Oglethorpe. :)The Sewanee men were just over-matched and the Oglethorpe squad suffered with the Sunday road trip blues just as Depauw did earlier at Birmingham-Southern.I don't think for a minute we are a 20pt better ball club than the Petrels,Sundays are tough on the road in the SCAC.Heck all road games are tough in this conference.We look forward to playing Hendrix this weekend esp. on Friday.Millsaps on Sunday may well prove to be tough.WE have to be able to play well in their facility obviously,to have any tourney hopes should we be fortunate enough to get there. ???  Hats off to Centre for an overtime win over Ogelthorpe and thanks for wearing them down!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 12, 2010, 02:45:41 PM
Quote from: brave heart on January 12, 2010, 01:23:21 PM
Nice weekend for Depauw with large margin wins over Univ of the South and a tough Oglethorpe. :)The Sewanee men were just over-matched and the Oglethorpe squad suffered with the Sunday road trip blues just asY Depauw did earlier at Birmingham-Southern.I don't think for a minute we are a 20pt better ball club than the Petrels,Sundays are tough on the road in the SCAC.Heck all road games are tough in this conference.We look forward to playing Hendrix this weekend esp. on Friday.Millsaps on Sunday may well prove to be tough.WE have to be able to play well in their facility obviously,to have any tourney hopes should we be fortunate enough to get there. ???  Hats off to Centre for an overtime win over Ogelthorpe and thanks for wearing them down!! :)
You're welcome. Agreed Sundays on the road are especially tough, but particularly so after difficult Friday night losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 12, 2010, 03:05:32 PM
 ??? Just curious SCAC posters,are the injury bugs hitting you favorite teams very hard? DPU has had its share esp.the big men.Stress fracture,Hamstring injuries and nasal fractures most recently.Are there many out there missing games due to injury? :(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 12, 2010, 10:24:27 PM
Don't look now, but Tim Wise and the Majors have strung together four in-a-row to get to 6-7 on the year and 2-3 in the league. Millsaps is 4-1 on a season-long 7-game homestand with two to play, as Centre and DePauw come to Jackson this weekend.

Freshman Quinn Lemieux and junior college transfer LV Sumler have looked good off the bench as of late and have helped the Majors win some key home games and get a little confidence as they make a push for the SCAC Tournament.

Both games live online this weekend: http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Millsaps-College (http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Millsaps-College)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 14, 2010, 10:11:14 PM
Millsaps is capable of making some noise in conference.  I think they're especially tough on the homecourt. Should they hold serve at home, and win a couple road games, they can definitely position themselves for a strong finish with them hosting the tournament. This is one year I find it hard to figure which team might be the last one standing.  The Majors could be that team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 14, 2010, 11:22:51 PM
Everyone from the East heads West this weekend. Friday: Rhodes @ Austin; BSC @ CC; Oglethorpe @ Trinity; Sewanee @ Southwestern; Centre @ Millsaps; and DePauw @ Hendrix. I'll give my Friday predictions & see if anyone else wants to chime in

Austin by 13
CC by 4
Oglethorpe by 2
Southwestern by 21
Millsaps by 5
Hendrix by 3
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on January 15, 2010, 02:05:59 AM
pbrooks3,

Admittedly, I have not been following the SCAC this season for basketball, but decided to check in on things.  I'm a Trinity alum and the results so far this year are atypical and a bit of a let down.  But I had to post, if for no other reason than to give some praise to you for your diligence despite the lack of response or apparent concern.  Keep it and I'm sure things will improve. 

If you post it, they will come.

D3 Navy
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 15, 2010, 09:50:57 PM
Millsaps is administering a beating to Centre after 20 minutes, 30-15. Good defense on both ends of the floor. Problem for Centre is the Majors are making the shots they're taking and the Colonels are not. Centre went the final 12 1/2 minutes of the half scratching out nothing but 3 Jeff Mullaney free throws - no field goals!  Part of this is the result of good Millsaps defense, but a large measure of it is absolutely poor offensive execution. Weak passing, lack of movement, poor shot selection or no shot selection, little offensive rebounding.  For a Colonel fan, it was an ugly half of offensive basketball.  Bryon Ellis did make two early 3's; other than that I remember very little else.  Coaches certainly lose sleep and hair on nights like this.

Still despite the lack of offense, this tilt still has the feel of a closer game.  Let's hope the next 20 minutes has a few bright spots for the Colonels.  

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 15, 2010, 11:06:49 PM
Centre made a good comeback tonight tying the score 52-52 with 7 seconds remaining before going down to defeat 53-52 at the hands of Millsaps.  Millsaps picks up its 5th in a row and erases Centre's 7-game winning streak. When the Colonels tied the game, it then got strange - the whistle blew with 2.1 seconds remaining as Danny Noll was called for an on the floor infraction against Blake Martinez fouling out.  Martinez made the 1st free throw before deliberately missing the 2nd. Centre pulled down the rebound & called timeout after what appeared to be about a second. Refs reviewed the time and marked the clock with 2 seconds remaining. Centre got a decent heave 2/3 of the way down the court & actually got a 25 footer off that drew iron before falling away at the buzzer. Exciting finish with some interesting late game officiating thrown in for good measure.  Hats off to Millsaps for hanging tough and playing some good combo defense tonight.  Colonels scrapped in the final 20 with Bryon Ellis totaling 18 on 6 3's, 4 in the final half.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 15, 2010, 11:10:39 PM
Millsaps wins by a 53-52 margin.  Centre closed the gap fairly early in the second half and the margin seemed to stay in the 6-9 point range for a while, then a little closer, and finally Centre tied the game at 52-all with 6 seconds to go.  Millsaps didn't call timeout, Blake Martinez was fouled with 2.1 second to go, a 2-shot foul.  He made the first, intentionally missed the second and Centre rebounded and called timeout.  The refs decided to put 2 seconds back on the clock.  

Centre through a long inbound pass from the end line to beyond midcourt, Centre put up a 30 foot shot, and the ball bounced off the rim at the buzzer.  An important win for Millsaps and now they need just as big a win over DePauw.  (pbrooks3 posted much of the same as I was writing)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 17, 2010, 10:43:25 PM
Saw Centre play a strong game this afternoon @ Hendrix, winning by 20. Danny Noll led the team with 19; others playing well were Josh Crawford and Alex Lloyd who pulled down 14 boards. Today was another good day getting contributions off the bench, with Dee Smith pitching in 3-4 from behind the arc. James Melloan had 8 and Matt Griggs 5.  

Colonels shot better than 50% from the field and outrebounded Hendrix by 13. Warriors did not play well on either the defensive or offensive end. Colonels held them to under 30% shooting. Hendrix is a team struggling to find chemistry at this time.

Centre returns home to play Trinity on Friday.

No real surprises among other teams playing today. Some might have thought BSC would sneak by Austin, but I had Austin winning at home.  Millsaps nearly pulled off another homecourt win before losing by 2 to DePauw.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 18, 2010, 04:48:53 PM
Very nice weekend for Depauw I might add ;D  Two very physically tough squads in Hendrix and Millsaps.To get away with a Sunday road win was great.Makes the 10 hr bus trip home much more bearable.The new floor at Millsaps is a very nice addition,even made the lighting seem better than I remembered.Hendrix still has the best facilities going.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2010, 06:12:47 PM
Quote from: brave heart on January 18, 2010, 04:48:53 PM
Very nice weekend for Depauw I might add ;D  Two very physically tough squads in Hendrix and Millsaps.To get away with a Sunday road win was great.Makes the 10 hr bus trip home much more bearable.The new floor at Millsaps is a very nice addition,even made the lighting seem better than I remembered.Hendrix still has the best facilities going.
Brave Heart, is the floor @ Millsaps actually new or just refinished?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 18, 2010, 08:00:52 PM
Looked new to me... beautiful
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 19, 2010, 08:20:09 AM
Still think Millsaps is a place most SCAC teams don't care to play. It is what it is, but I think it sets up well for the Majors if they make the tournament. I think they'll make it, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 19, 2010, 08:22:47 AM
After playing them this weekend I have no doubt we will see them playing in the post season in their own gym.They are very dangerous and will make some more noise this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 19, 2010, 12:53:21 PM
Millsaps gets back Aaron Caldwell this week and that will add another big body to the mix.  Aaron is from London, was on the England U-18 national team, and had a 7 of 9 shooting night against the U. of Dallas early in the season.  That was right before injuring his foot and he has been out for the last 6 weeks. 

To be honest, I haven't seen Aaron play enough to make any predictions of what his return will mean for the team.  Plus, there's the question about fitness and being able to pick up the defensive scheme after being out for 6 weeks.  Hopefully his return will provide a boost and make Millsaps a little bit tougher team down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 19, 2010, 02:08:08 PM
I saw the big young man sitting the game out on the bench.I was wondering why they didn't go with him to at least wear down our bigs. ???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 19, 2010, 04:52:44 PM
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Brave Heart, is the floor @ Millsaps actually new or just refinished?


To comment on the floor, it is not new, simply sanded all the way down. There were about 6 coats of wax after yearly wear and tear, and this was finally time to redo it (so to say) because the SCAC Tournament is coming to town. It's about six years past due, but does add a nice feel. Now, if they can just fix the darn acoustics in there it would be a nice facility.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2010, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on January 19, 2010, 04:52:44 PM
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Brave Heart, is the floor @ Millsaps actually new or just refinished?


To comment on the floor, it is not new, simply sanded all the way down. There were about 6 coats of wax after yearly wear and tear, and this was finally time to redo it (so to say) because the SCAC Tournament is coming to town. It's about six years past due, but does add a nice feel. Now, if they can just fix the darn acoustics in there it would be a nice facility.

How about lighting - has it been improved, too?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 21, 2010, 10:02:47 AM
It's a real shame that the tournament is in Jackson this year.  It appears Millsaps is being rewarded for having arguably the worst facility in the conference.
Unfortunately for the Warriors, it probably doesn't matter!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 21, 2010, 11:52:54 AM
Honestly it seemed lighter in there,but I looked around and there are no new lights. The floor is a much lighter color and contrasts with the wood on the ceiling so in that regard it is better. The sound is bad when you try to understand the PA.Hendrix is nicer ,but I can see moving it around. I would like to see Rhoads get it as there is a lot more to do in Memphis than Jackson or Conway. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 21, 2010, 09:03:48 PM
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It's a real shame that the tournament is in Jackson this year.  It appears Millsaps is being rewarded for having arguably the worst facility in the conference.
Unfortunately for the Warriors, it probably doesn't matter!!!

You are 100% accurate about Millsaps' basketball facility. Hands down the worst in the conference. I'm shocked they're hosting. Shocked. It's also a very, very good chance neither the men or women will make the SCAC Tournament which is pretty embarassing.

And to answer the comments about the lighting, it's just the lighter floor that brightens it up. There are absolutely no new lights. That place has been the same since the 1940's. It's time for a change, it's 2010.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 21, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on January 21, 2010, 09:03:48 PM
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It's a real shame that the tournament is in Jackson this year.  It appears Millsaps is being rewarded for having arguably the worst facility in the conference.
Unfortunately for the Warriors, it probably doesn't matter!!!

You are 100% accurate about Millsaps' basketball facility. Hands down the worst in the conference. I'm shocked they're hosting. Shocked. It's also a very, very good chance neither the men or women will make the SCAC Tournament which is pretty embarassing.

And to answer the comments about the lighting, it's just the lighter floor that brightens it up. There are absolutely no new lights. That place has been the same since the 1940's. It's time for a change, it's 2010.

Glad to see you agree.  I think Jackson is a cool enough place, and the Millsaps campus is really nice.  From what I saw, the rest of the facilities are first-class.  Definitely nothing personal, I just have never enjoyed a trip to the Hanger Dome.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2010, 10:48:52 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on January 21, 2010, 09:03:48 PM
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It's a real shame that the tournament is in Jackson this year.  It appears Millsaps is being rewarded for having arguably the worst facility in the conference.
Unfortunately for the Warriors, it probably doesn't matter!!!

You are 100% accurate about Millsaps' basketball facility. Hands down the worst in the conference. I'm shocked they're hosting. Shocked. It's also a very, very good chance neither the men or women will make the SCAC Tournament which is pretty embarassing.

And to answer the comments about the lighting, it's just the lighter floor that brightens it up. There are absolutely no new lights. That place has been the same since the 1940's. It's time for a change, it's 2010.
I am not certain I would write off the Majors on men's side from the SCAC tournament at Millsaps this year.  You've got five more home games against SCAC opponents and I think it's likely Millsaps wins 3 or 4 of those.  The road game at Rhodes Friday night is also a possible win.  I think Millsaps can beat out Trinity for the 4th spot.

One other question - how many years is the deal in force for Millsaps to host in the Hanger Dome?  Just this year or does it go one more?  Several had suggested this would have been the ideal year to have allowed BSC to host, especially since they can't play in the post-season until the 2010-11 season.  It would have been something akin to the SEC playing their league tournament in Atlanta.

One thing about discussing the tournament venue is it may drum up enough curiosity among SCAC fans that they may just decide they need to come to Jackson to experience the Hanger Dome.  It is clearly a unique place - no one can argue that point!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 21, 2010, 10:56:22 PM
From what I've heard, Millsaps is only hosting this year's tournament.

And the only thing you'll need to "experience" at the Hangar Dome is the scoreboard going out in the middle of the game and/or the shot clock. I've been a spectator for many years, and I can't remember one place having so many malfunctions.

And maybe the concession stand will be open for the SCAC Tourney, because it sure hasn't been the last month when I've gone.

Don't mean to hate on my school, but I just speak the truth. :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 22, 2010, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: INS_Major on January 21, 2010, 09:03:48 PM

And to answer the comments about the lighting, it's just the lighter floor that brightens it up. There are absolutely no new lights. That place has been the same since the 1940's. It's time for a change, it's 2010.

In the 1940's the Hangar Dome was the parking lot behind the old Buie gym.  It was actually built in the mid-1970's and it has been a great facility for Millsaps with the 3 full courts available for various activities.  I could go back and find posts from fans and coaches about how much they enjoyed the experience when Millsaps was host to a regional in 2008, but why bother.  It is what it is--and this year it is the host facility for the SCAC Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 22, 2010, 08:54:14 PM
Centre up at the half 37-19. Colonels are playing well on the offensive end. Like the aggressiveness of Alex Lloyd tonight. He's on track for a double-double.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 22, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
Centre prevails 57-50, though Trinity put up a strong fight in the 2nd half. Cunningham's Tigers limited the Colonels to 6 baskets.  Jeff Mullaney scored 16 and Bryon Ellis posted 15 with 4 3's. Both Josh Crawford and Alex Lloyd pulled down 10 boards apiece. Glad that Centre got off to a big lead tonight and played their customary lockdown defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on January 23, 2010, 12:47:11 AM
Rhodes beats Millsaps.  The game was a hard fought game from both teams.  Rhodes was able to get second half stops and forced 11 Majors turnovers in the second half to get the victory.  Rhodes also celebrated Head Coach Herb Hilgeman's milestone of becoming the SCAC All-Time victories leader tonight.  The feat was accomplished on November 16 with the Lynx victory over Principia where he surpassed long time Hendrix coach, Cliff Garrison's 463 victories.  As of now he stands at 471 total wins.

Recap: http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/1/22/MBBALL_Millsaps_College_0122103503.aspx (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/1/22/MBBALL_Millsaps_College_0122103503.aspx)
Boxscore: http://www.rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/1/22/Rhodes_vs_Millsaps_01_22_10.pdf?id=1366 (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/1/22/Rhodes_vs_Millsaps_01_22_10.pdf?id=1366)

Rhodes hosts Hendrix on Sunday with a schedule 3 pm tipoff.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2010, 12:57:47 AM
The SCAC-East (at home) swept the SCAC-West (on the road) tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2010, 11:40:57 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2010, 12:57:47 AM
The SCAC-East (at home) swept the SCAC-West (on the road) tonight.
Sewanee benefitted from this exchange!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on January 23, 2010, 02:29:30 PM
Depauw prevails over SouthWestern 68-61. Depauw was unstoppable in the first half to jump to a large first half lead.We limped in to a close finish victory over a good squad.Depauw was like 8-25 free throws and made it much closer than it could have been.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 23, 2010, 03:50:01 PM
Sounds like HC had a good effort but came up short last night in Birmingham.  FT shooting & turnovers continues to hurt HC.  Too bad they couldn't have played that well at home the past two weeks.
Good to see Jesse Ford back after a knee injury the first week. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 23, 2010, 11:04:34 PM
Centre ran into a buzzsaw called Southwestern tonight, dropping a 1-point game to the Pirates 70-69.  Pirates hit 12-22 on 3's  to claim a big road win.  Colonels played tough & shot better than 50% from the field.  Pirates' cutting offense was effective in producing numerous good looks that generated jumpers that the wings were hitting. Southwestern led for a large part of the game until Centre took a 4-point lead with less than 10 minutes to play. The game went back & forth the remainder of the way. Southwestern got the lead for good with a couple of minutes to play. Centre closed the gap to 1 with less than 20 seconds and couldn't get off a shot in the closing moments to seize the lead. The Pirates played a tremendous overall game on both sides of the floor to hand Centre its first SCAC home loss. Both teams are now 6-3 in conference play. Mullaney and Noll led Centre in scoring with 21 & 19 respectively. Lloyd had 13 rebounds.    Colonels hit the road for 5 in a row beginning with the difficult swing to Colorado College and Austin next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on January 24, 2010, 07:51:23 PM
Rhodes defeated Hendrix 93-80 today.  The game was a complete opposite of the Rhodes-Millsaps contest.  This game was very fast paced and not much defense played.  Rhodes shot 70% from the field in the second half and 58% for the game and Hendrix shot a respectable 43%.

RECAP: http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/1/24/MBBALL_Hendrix_0124103948.aspx?path=mbball (http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/1/24/MBBALL_Hendrix_0124103948.aspx?path=mbball)
BOXSCORE: http://rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/1/24/Rhodes_vs_Hendrix_01_24_10.pdf?id=1367 (http://rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/1/24/Rhodes_vs_Hendrix_01_24_10.pdf?id=1367)

Rhodes heads to Texas to take on Trinity and Southwestern next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: daBulls on January 25, 2010, 01:08:18 PM
Congratulations to Coach Hilgeman of Rhodes for becoming the all time wins leader in the SCAC.  Coach Hilgeman has been an excellent coach and class act for Rhodes, the CAC, and the SCAC for 34 years.  Because of institutional changes the last 10 years have not been as successful as the previous 24.  I only hope that Coach Hilgeman can enjoy at least on more dominant season, like the seasons he enjoyed throughout the 80's and 90's, before he retires (whenever that maybe).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 25, 2010, 11:29:25 PM
Quote from: daBulls on January 25, 2010, 01:08:18 PM
Congratulations to Coach Hilgeman of Rhodes for becoming the all time wins leader in the SCAC.  Coach Hilgeman has been an excellent coach and class act for Rhodes, the CAC, and the SCAC for 34 years.  Because of institutional changes the last 10 years have not been as successful as the previous 24.  I only hope that Coach Hilgeman can enjoy at least on more dominant season, like the seasons he enjoyed throughout the 80's and 90's, before he retires (whenever that maybe).
Ditto. Hilgeman is a classy guy who does deserve accolades for years of success & dedication @ Rhodes. These 2 weekend wins certainly help too in the effort to get in the SCAC tournament. Right now the Lynx are looking pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 29, 2010, 10:00:52 PM
Young Centre squad starts their 5-game road adventure tonight @ Colorado College. A tough place to play even when the opponent isn't so good. Problem this year is CC is a pretty decent team. Colonels need to bounce back from a tough home loss against a good Southwestern team. Colonels will need to bear down & work their tails off to steal one this evening. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on January 29, 2010, 11:23:03 PM
Good win tonight in Conway for the Warriors as Oglethorpe came to town.  Priest started nearly a completely different lineup tonight.  They played good, and the regular starters seemed to respond with a good effort when they came in.
HC seems to have found a renewed energy the past three games, except for the second half at Rhodes. 
With a snow storm outside, the students showed up and gave HC a good homecourt advantage.

Sewane comes to town on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 30, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
Quote from: hendrixfan on January 29, 2010, 11:23:03 PM
Good win tonight in Conway for the Warriors as Oglethorpe came to town.  Priest started nearly a completely different lineup tonight.  They played good, and the regular starters seemed to respond with a good effort when they came in.
HC seems to have found a renewed energy the past three games, except for the second half at Rhodes. 
With a snow storm outside, the students showed up and gave HC a good homecourt advantage.

Sewane comes to town on Sunday.

Sounds like Hendrix discovered how to play defense again. 

The East ended the night on the road 0-6.  Centre went down late 61-59 after leading most of the way against Colorado College.  Colonels actually played pretty steady most of the night except for some silly turnovers.  Nick Rose burned them for 24 points.  CC picked up steam down the stretch scoring on a number of fall away jumpers.  The rebounding battle was even, though Colorado College seemed to do better on the offensive boards.  Four Colonels scored in double figures - Alex Lloyd had a stout double-double with 13/13.  Danny Noll also doubled with 10 and 10.  Mullaney and Ellis also were major scorers.  Colonels had one crack with 6 seconds left.  CC fouled in the backcourt with a foul to give which took away 3 seconds.  Mullaney got one long look from beyond 24 feet but it came up short, and Centre fell.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 30, 2010, 09:41:08 AM
The most surprising loss for the East had to be BS-C falling 68-65 in OT to Trinity - despite two TU starters fouling out in regulation (the other three had four :o).   BS-C could not buy a basket (30% on the night) and missed 14 of 41 free throws.   Two Terrance Blakely steals in the last ten seconds helped seal the win. 

Been a tough year in SA, good to see the guys get one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 30, 2010, 09:58:47 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 30, 2010, 09:41:08 AM
The most surprising loss for the East had to be BS-C falling 68-65 in OT to Trinity - despite two TU starters fouling out in regulation (the other three had four :o).   BS-C could not buy a basket (30% on the night) and missed 14 of 41 free throws.   Two Terrance Blakely steals in the last ten seconds helped seal the win. 

Been a tough year in SA, good to see the guys get one. 
BSC is vulnerable as you can see.  They're deep and like to shoot the 3.  But there will be nights like last evening at Trinity where the ball won't go down.  This is big for Trinity as they continue to grind to qualify for the 4th tournament slot in the west.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2010, 09:29:15 AM
Saturday was a better night for Eastern Division teams on their westward swing as collectively they took 2 of 3. Birmingham did the job effectively winning at Southwestern.  They've established themselves as the dominant SCAC team this season while still waiting until next season before they compete for the post-season.  DePauw put themselves in the driver's seat for a #1 seed come tourney time with a 2-point win over Colorado College thanks to a last second jumper by Tony James.  The lone Western Division winner last night was Trinity as they defeated Rhodes for their 5th SCAC victory. This is big as they battle Millsaps down the stretch for the 4th seed and the right to play again in the Hangar Dome.   Millsaps battles Oglethorpe today at home in their effort to reach the 5-win plateau.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2010, 09:39:49 AM
One other point on Trinity. Their 2 wins this weekend really helped their cause for post-season play, and the thriller they took from the top SCAC team Friday night is not to be understated in any way. This team is beginning to slowly find its identity and grind out some wins. I keep forgetting that the Tigers still hold the trump card for the 4th seed as they've yet to play Millsaps this season in San Antonio.  If OU finds a way to chalk up a W today in Jackson, TU will be in a better position to help declare the Hangar Dome a neutral court during the SCAC tournament. As many of you know who post on this board, I'm a big admirer of Coach Cunningham and his body of work - I hope he and his Tigers make the post-season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 31, 2010, 11:23:38 AM
Big game today between AC and Centre.  If the 'Roos can pick up a win, they'll be in great position in the West.  Right now they're a half game up on Southwestern, and if they can get the win that'll make them 8-3, with Southwestern 7-4.  With Colorado College, Trinity and Southwestern all coming to Sherman to close out the season, they'd effectively be in control of their own destiny for the top spot in the West.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2010, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: jekelish on January 31, 2010, 11:23:38 AM
Big game today between AC and Centre.  If the 'Roos can pick up a win, they'll be in great position in the West.  Right now they're a half game up on Southwestern, and if they can get the win that'll make them 8-3, with Southwestern 7-4.  With Colorado College, Trinity and Southwestern all coming to Sherman to close out the season, they'd effectively be in control of their own destiny for the top spot in the West.
Like Austin's chances to get the #1 seed in the west.  Southwestern's loss last night hurt but because they stole a road win at Centre last weekend, they're still in decent shape.  The schedule definitely favors the Roos.  I think if they win out at home and split on the road trip to Hendrix/Millsaps they coast into the #1.  Of course, I'm hoping the Colonels make it interesting by stealing one today.  Centre has been pretty solid on the road in Sunday afternoon games this season.  But coming off a tough one Friday night @ CC makes today's game a major league challenge for Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 31, 2010, 01:41:55 PM
FYI, live stats are available for AC home games HERE (http://baseball.austincollege.edu/).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2010, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: jekelish on January 31, 2010, 01:41:55 PM
FYI, live stats are available for AC home games HERE (http://baseball.austincollege.edu/).

Good post.  Thx.  Interesting link but I've been alerting the Centre nation!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2010, 04:33:01 PM
We've got a good one at Austin as after 40 minutes the teams are knotted at 56-56.  Colonels have scrapped down the stretch to make a game of it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2010, 04:51:15 PM
Roos prevailed in OT 66-62.  Centre gave it their usual good Sunday effort, but Alade was tough in the clutch, and Austin finally figured it out from the free throw line when it counted (they shot under 50% for the game).  Mason has got to be pleased with the effort of the Colonels even if it didn't result in a win.  Centre played two challenging road games this weekend and nearly won both; only to end it at 0-2.  Centre is young and they will hopefully grow from this experience.  A defensive game as neither team reached the 40% mark from the field; Colonels shot it at 34.5%.  Alade had 16 for Austin and Crawford scored 16 for Centre.  Noll had 11 (tp) and 11 (rb).  Lloyd pulled down 13 boards.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 31, 2010, 05:55:43 PM
Western Division makes it a 3-0 day as Hendrix and Millsaps both win after Austin's OT win over Centre.  Millsaps joins Trinity at 5-6 going into next week's roadtrip to Trinity & Southwestern.  Hendrix brings their SCAC win total to 3.  Austin stands alone atop the West with an 8-3 record and a favorable schedule for the final 5 SCAC games.

In the East, Centre and Oglethorpe both dropped a full 2 games behind DePauw and BSC with each at 6-5 now.  Centre visits DePauw next week.  I'd say the Tigers are in solid shape for the #1 seed as things stand. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 03, 2010, 03:21:26 PM
Interesting weekend for Depauw out West.Two really good teams in Austin and Colorado College.The last two years CC has been a walk over but they have found a new toughness.Austin game came down to too many turnovers but credit the Roos defense in part for that.      Depauw found itself in a situation last year that all we needed to do was go to Centre and win a game and we were in the drivers seat.Well...that didnt happen as the Tigers had trouble even scoring in the first several minutes.This year is looking better..home game ...two game lead.....NOW DON'T EVEN THINK THE COLONELS HAVE GIVEN UP I look for a very good game and hope the home court is kind to us. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2010, 07:32:21 AM
Quote from: brave heart on February 03, 2010, 03:21:26 PM
Interesting weekend for Depauw out West.Two really good teams in Austin and Colorado College.The last two years CC has been a walk over but they have found a new toughness.Austin game came down to too many turnovers but credit the Roos defense in part for that.      Depauw found itself in a situation last year that all we needed to do was go to Centre and win a game and we were in the drivers seat.Well...that didnt happen as the Tigers had trouble even scoring in the first several minutes.This year is looking better..home game ...two game lead.....NOW DON'T EVEN THINK THE COLONELS HAVE GIVEN UP I look for a very good game and hope the home court is kind to us. :)
No argument here - DePauw definitely is in a favorable position with Centre coming to town this weekend. Colonels, like DePauw, had a chance last weekend to earn at least a split, but went 0-2.  Also could have been 2-0 with a bit of luck and a few less turnovers. Colonels will generally give their opponent defense every night. I like this match-up in Greencastle - it should be a good game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2010, 09:02:18 PM
Good to have Coach Mitch Cole on Hoopsville tonight representing Birmingham-Southern and the SCAC.  I know Coach Cole will look forward to 2010-11 when he can have his team compete for the SCAC tournament and D3 post-season.  BSC is having a fantastic season, and they've got to take what they accomplish during the regular season and accept that as their trophy this year.  Be on the lookout for BSC next year - they've shown in the first 3 years in this conference that they'll be a program to be reckoned with in the years to come.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 05, 2010, 05:49:21 PM
Tonight I look for the following:

Rhodes holds serve against Sewanee by 14;
Southwestern win by 15 over Millsaps;
Trinity defeats Hendrix by 6;
Oglethorpe surprises BSC at the buzzer by 2

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 05, 2010, 11:37:06 PM
Rhodes turned up the defense in the 2nd half on Senior Night to defeat Sewanee 60-44. The Lynx played an indifferent 1st half falling behind early & settling for a 2-point halftime deficit. Rhodes honored 5 senior men, and two of them, Andyshea Saberion & Reid Hamilton led the charge with 15 point each. Hamilton had a game-high 9 rebounds as well.  Rhodes finishes the home season at Mallory with a game against Oglethorpe Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on February 06, 2010, 01:02:22 AM
Rhodes sent off the 5 seniors in style tonight with a 60-44 victory.  Rhodes was rocking as they supported their seniors with a black out night event that was really well attended.  Might have been the best crowd I have ever seen at Rhodes.  It was an environment that was really special, and how all games should be attended.

RECAP: http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/2/5/MBBALL_Sewanee_0205104826.aspx?path=mbball (http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/2/5/MBBALL_Sewanee_0205104826.aspx?path=mbball)
BOXSCORE: http://rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/2/5/Rhodes_vs._Sewanee_02_05_10.pdf?id=1382 (http://rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/2/5/Rhodes_vs._Sewanee_02_05_10.pdf?id=1382)

Rhodes will  be back in action with their final home SCAC game of the year on Sunday against Oglethorpe with a 3pm tipoff.  The Lynx do have one final home contest on Monday, February 15th against Freewill Baptist with tipoff at 7pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2010, 03:46:15 PM
Centre's freshmen picked up the team in the opening half as Centre leads 24-22. Crawford has 10 and Ellis 9, including a late three to take the lead. Solid defensive game by both teams. Stats are basically even. Interesting stat - DePauw is 0-6 from beyond the arc. Look for a war in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2010, 04:43:43 PM
Nice road victory today for Centre at DePauw as the Colonels took control of things late in the 2nd half of a tight game to win 63-56.  DePauw didn't shoot the 3 well today and made some critical turnovers down the stretch to help Centre.  Centre made free throws and hung tough.  Danny Noll and Jeff Mullaney both had nice 2nd halves.  Crawford tallied 16, Noll 15, Ellis 14 (with 4-7 on threes) and Mullaney 11.  Lloyd pulled down 9 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 06, 2010, 04:55:33 PM
AC and Colorado College are about 5 minutes from tipoff.  It'll be interesting to see if the 'Roos can get revenge for their 93-89 loss out in Colorado Springs earlier this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 06, 2010, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 06, 2010, 04:55:33 PM
AC and Colorado College are about 5 minutes from tipoff.  It'll be interesting to see if the 'Roos can get revenge for their 93-89 loss out in Colorado Springs earlier this season.
I believe the mission got accomplished!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 07, 2010, 10:36:37 AM
Yeah, the first 10 minutes and the last 10 minutes were tough for the 'Roos.  But those middle 20 minutes - wow.  They outscored CC 43-12 over that stretch.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 07, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
In the battle for the last West playoff spot, Millsaps is all over Trinity at the half, 38-24.   The Majors are shooting 62% (to Trinity's 31%), 46% from three point range, and 100% from the stripe. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 07, 2010, 03:57:39 PM
Millsaps has a 38-24 lead at Trinity to end the first half.  Hopefully I will be proven wrong, but Millsaps has a habit of letting large 1st half leads evaporate in the first 5-6 minutes of the second half.  Often I wonder if it is some sort of trying to work 5 more seconds off the clock to shorten the game, a basketball equivalent of going into a prevent defense.

I'd like to see the Majors just play to win the second half and not think about protecting that 14 point lead.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 07, 2010, 04:49:55 PM
No surprise.  Millsaps didn't look anywhere near the same in the second half while protecting the lead.  Lost by 1 in the last 2 seconds.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 07, 2010, 06:33:48 PM
Unlike Trinity, no drama at Rhodes today as Oglethorpe took care of business without any fanfare 86-72. The Stormy Petrels pretty much led start to finish. Their 4 & 1 offense drilled Rhodes with quick and crisp passing to an easy victory. Rhodes was a step slow defensively & never looked like they were up for the challenge. OU got balanced scoring across about 10 deep on the bench. Rhodes was led by Kory Kilpatrick and Reid Hamilton (Hamilton scored a double-double in Pts/Rb). Today witnessed Hamilton competing against his younger brother, Price, a freshman @ Oglethorpe.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on February 07, 2010, 07:34:31 PM
Rhodes dropped a home game against Oglethorpe today.  Rhodes couldn't overcome a shaky first half.  They pulled to within 11 with about 2 left to play, but OU closed out the game making their FT's.

RECAP: http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/2/7/MBBALL_Oglethorpe_0207102538.aspx?path=mbball (http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/2/7/MBBALL_Oglethorpe_0207102538.aspx?path=mbball)
BOXSCORE: http://rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/2/7/Rhodes_vs_Oglethorpe_02_07_10.pdf?id=1383 (http://rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/2/7/Rhodes_vs_Oglethorpe_02_07_10.pdf?id=1383)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 07, 2010, 07:36:47 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity 60---Millsaps 59)


Frank, Ron:
Don't sell that Tiger "D" too short. Trinity held Millsaps to only 21 points in the second half (no field goals over a 9 minute span). All those "zillions" of hours of practicing "D" is really paying off; didn't we know it would?

                                                                      :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 08, 2010, 07:20:48 PM
The 4th seed in the West is still very much up for grabs. Trinity enjoys a nice 2 game lead over Millsaps and 1/2 game over Colorado College. What's interesting as we move into the final 2 weeks of the regular season is the way the schedule plays out, particularly for both Trinity & Millsaps. Trinity has 3 road games, including Austin, CC and Southwestern.  Millsaps, on the hand plays its 3 remaining opponents in the friendly confines of the Hangar Dome. Their competition is Hendrix, CC and Austin. Colorado College splits 4 games at home and on the road. Here's a possible scenario:  CC wins 2 @ home & loses 2 on the road to finish 8-8 or a #3 seed. Trinity drops 3 games on their Western swing to finish 7-9. Millsaps wins 2 of 3 at home to wrap up @ 7-9. We then get to do our SCAC tiebreaker analysis to get our #4. Well, does anyone remember the formula?  Something tells me Frank has already done this analysis!   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on February 09, 2010, 06:23:25 PM
If I recall correctly, and very well could be mistaken.  But it goes like this.

Tiebreaker 1: Head to Head Competition
Tiebreaker 2: Divisional Record
Tiebreaker 3: Divisional Record against the #1, #2, #3
Tiebreaker 4: Record vs other Division
Tiebreaker 5: Record vs. Other division #1, #2, #3
Tiebreaker 6: Divisional Home Record
Tiebreaker 7: Coin Toss
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 09, 2010, 06:57:00 PM
Man, the coin toss is really something to witness.  I was there when it came down to a coin toss between AC and Southwestern a couple years ago, and it was a total mixture of excitement and tension in that room.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 10, 2010, 11:26:50 AM
Concerning the league tournament, does the host team for the tournament, Millsaps this year, hire the refs, or does the league office pick the refs based on a consensus of the coaches in the league like the higher divisions? Does anybody know?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2010, 09:48:06 PM
Quote from: OLD STUDENT/ATHLETE on February 10, 2010, 11:26:50 AM
Concerning the league tournament, does the host team for the tournament, Millsaps this year, hire the refs, or does the league office pick the refs based on a consensus of the coaches in the league like the higher divisions? Does anybody know?
The league office has oversight on picking tournament officials.  This is in the policy section for winter sports on the SCAC website.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2010, 09:51:32 PM
#1 team in the country - Guilford - goes down tonight by 27 points at home against Eastern Mennonite.   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 11, 2010, 08:22:15 AM
Quote from: phillipst on February 09, 2010, 06:23:25 PM
If I recall correctly, and very well could be mistaken.  But it goes like this.

Tiebreaker 1: Head to Head Competition
Tiebreaker 2: Divisional Record
Tiebreaker 3: Divisional Record against the #1, #2, #3
Tiebreaker 4: Record vs other Division
Tiebreaker 5: Record vs. Other division #1, #2, #3
Tiebreaker 6: Divisional Home Record
Tiebreaker 7: Coin Toss

Good post; everyone will know where to go if we should have a tiebreaker situation arise. It's also in the Policy section of the SCAC website.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on February 11, 2010, 10:17:36 AM
Thanks PB... Any of your great predictions for who will make it from the West?  What about the tournament?  What are your thoughts from a semi outsider considering you have seen most if not all the teams play?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 11, 2010, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: phillipst on February 11, 2010, 10:17:36 AM
Thanks PB... Any of your great predictions for who will make it from the West?  What about the tournament?  What are your thoughts from a semi outsider considering you have seen most if not all the teams play?

It's true Phillipst that I have seen most every team play with the exception being Austin (actually peeked at CC by video).  Not a lot of guess work in the East with Birmingham-Southern having to sit it out this year and Sewanee too far out of it to advance.  I actually see BSC and DePauw finishing 11-5.  DPU wins 3 of 4 only dropping Sunday's game at Oglethorpe to draw the East's #1.  Centre and Oglethorpe each finish 10-6 as the Stormy Petrels win out as Centre drops its game tomorrow night.  Centre gets the #2 seed based on the second tiebreaker – better record in division (8-2 versus 7-3).  Rhodes finishes 4-12 to clinch #4.

Clearly the West is still wide open and will produce a wild finish.  Here's the way I see it.  Austin finishes strong winning 3 of 4, but drops its home game against Southwestern to finish #1 at 12-4.  Southwestern gets #2 (11-5) as they beat Austin & Trinity, but fall at Colorado College.  Here's where it gets interesting – I am predicting Trinity wraps up an 8-8 league record and claims the #3 seed (Trinity wins at CC and loses its other 2).  The 4th seed is a tiebreaker as Colorado College and Millsaps each finish 7-9.  CC finishes 1-3 only winning over Southwestern; Millsaps wins 2 of its final 3 with a loss to Austin.  Colorado wins the tiebreaker with a better record in division (5-5) versus Millsaps (4-6).

Tournament-wise, the team I like if they're shooting it well is Southwestern.  The sleeper I believe is Trinity - they must continue playing good defense and improve enough offensively over the regular season to have a chance to dance.  While these are my observations, this tournament is honestly a wide-open affair –virtually any one of the teams can win it all.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2010, 08:51:51 PM
 Pleasant surprise in the opening 20 minutes for Centre partisans as they hold a 19-point lead over Oglethorpe 38-19. Fortunate for the Colonels, OU is tossing gutter balls in this one as they're barely shooting 20%. Centre is partially responsible with good defense being exhibited. Danny Noll has enjoyed one of his best halves of the season with 16; Mullaney has 3 triples and Lloyd has pitched in 8 points & 6 boards. Centre is shooting better than 50% so far. The 2nd half promises to be a war as Oglethorpe will come out of the locker room stomping mad I predict. Hang tough Centre & play D!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2010, 09:48:22 PM
Centre earns its 2nd consecutive Eastern Division road win by defeating Oglethorpe 70-62. Danny Noll led the way with 24 points and 10 rebounds. Todd Ward had 20 and 9 for OU. Both this win and last Saturday's victory @ DePauw are quality league wins.  DePauw Men beat Sewanee tonight so Sunday's game between DePauw & Oglethorpe shapes up to be an important one to see who comes out of the weekend with momentum to push for the #1 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 13, 2010, 11:31:08 AM
It looks like the SCAC Tournament starts today at 3:00.  At least that's the way it looks for Millsaps who are at 5-8 with 3 games to play.  My gut feeling says that Millsaps needs to win these last 3 home games to get in the tournament. 

While it's possible that Trinity (7-7) and Colorado (7-6) could finish 7-9 and therefore Millsaps could get in a tiebreaker with a 7-9 record, I think it is just as likely that it will take 8-8 to get in a tiebreaker.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 13, 2010, 09:05:12 PM
Millsaps did beat Hendrix this afternoon.  It wasn't a pretty game on the offensive end as the final score was only 49-38.  That's okay, a win is a win, and it is nice to put one in the "W" column even when the shots aren't falling.

Next up for Millsaps are Austin and Colorado College next weekend.  Tough games for sure, but if Millsaps can win those two and get into the SCAC Tournament, they will be a team with momentum and playing on their home court.  That could make for a tough combination.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2010, 03:57:18 PM
The Eastern Division has just tightened up this afternoon as Oglethorpe wins a thriller at home over DePauw 77-70,  Todd Ward came up big down the stretch with several key "old fashioned" three point plays to help Oglethorpe get it done.  The game had a ton of lead changes with no team dominating.  Centre plays at Sewanee this afternoon - a win for them keeps them knotted with DePauw in the conference standings.  Right now if both DePauw and Centre win out, Centre draws #1 seed based on the 2 wins over DePauw during the regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 14, 2010, 05:53:41 PM
Austin College clinches the SCAC West with a 76-64 win over Southwestern today.  Kola Alade, Kyle Lintelman and Nick Wade each scored 15 to place the 'Roos, who are now 18-5.  The 18 wins is already the second highest single season total in school history (most in a season is 19, back in 1958).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2010, 07:39:20 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 14, 2010, 05:53:41 PM
Austin College clinches the SCAC West with a 76-64 win over Southwestern today.  Kola Alade, Kyle Lintelman and Nick Wade each scored 15 to place the 'Roos, who are now 18-5.  The 18 wins is already the second highest single season total in school history (most in a season is 19, back in 1958).
Jelelish, Austin is looking solid down the stretch; if they win their final two, they'll move into the tourney with a 20-5 record and a nice regional ranking.  Austin is the only SCAC team that I think can make the D3 tournament without winning the SCAC tournament.

After today's games, looks to me like Millsaps will need to beat both Colorado College and Austin to make the tournament.  Trinity is in a nice position should they lose to Southwestern next week.  Going 8-8 still gets them in position for a likely #3 seed unless Colorado College wins two on the road this coming weekend.  They own the head-to-head tiebreaker on CC.  If Trinity, Millsaps & Colorado College all tie at 8-8, Trinity would be #3 and Millsaps #4 based on overall head-to-head.  If Millsaps finished 7-9 and tied with Colorado College, they would lose out to CC based on the regional record tiebreaker. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 15, 2010, 04:08:03 PM
Any chance Austin College sneaks into the Top 25, or at least also receiving votes this week?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 15, 2010, 04:08:03 PM
Any chance Austin College sneaks into the Top 25, or at least also receiving votes this week?
Think they're on the cusp on making the top 25, but probably not this week.  If they win two on the road next week, I think they are an even bet to get into the 25 rankings next week.  Right now I see them at 27 or 28, but that's one opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2010, 09:59:33 PM
Rhodes played an out-of-conference tune-up game tonight as they easily defeated Free Will Baptist 91-68.  Coach Hilgeman got a chance to play his entire bench.  Reid Hamilton led the way with 20 points and 8 rebounds.  Nate Ollie scored 15, and Andrew Galow had 12 with 9 rebounds.  Rhodes got a much-needed win as they prepare for the final weekend of the SCAC regular season with road games at DePauw and Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: phillipst on February 15, 2010, 11:51:59 PM
Rhodes Defeats Free Will 91-68

RECAP: http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/2/15/MBBALL_Free_Will_0215103159.aspx?path=mbball (http://recap:%20http://rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/2/15/MBBALL_Free_Will_0215103159.aspx?path=mbball)
BOXSCORE: http://rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/2/15/Rhodes_vs_Free_Will_Final_Statistics.pdf?id=1393 (http://boxscore:%20http://rhodeslynx.com/documents/2010/2/15/Rhodes_vs_Free_Will_Final_Statistics.pdf?id=1393)

As we close out the regular season do any of the regular posters have any predictions for the conference tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2010, 08:50:01 PM
A couple of uglies - Centre up at the half 22-17 and Rhodes leads 20-19 over DePauw after 20 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2010, 09:58:08 PM
Centre prevails over Birmingham Southern 66-57. Much better shooting for both teams in the 2nd half. Mullaney led the Colonels with 17 shooting the ball well tonight. Crawford scored 13 in a good performance. He also had 6 assists.

DePauw locks things down and defeats Rhodes going away 53-36.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2010, 10:58:58 PM
A dangerous team is emerging from the West, and it's called Trinity.  They won tonight at Southwestern; this caps off a strong finish where they won 6 of their last 7, only dropping a game at Austin.  They went from sitting on the tournament bubble into a #2 seed as they tie Southwestern at 9-7 in league play.  Now everything comes down to Sunday to see whether Colorado College or Millsaps captures the #4.  Millsaps, I believe, needs to not only win but have Colorado College lose at Hendrix.  Both of these teams have a lot to play for this weekend!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2010, 12:22:31 AM
So, the game on Millsaps' schedule against Wesley (Miss.) -- did it get canceled?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2010, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2010, 12:22:31 AM
So, the game on Millsaps' schedule against Wesley (Miss.) -- did it get canceled?
Don't know - perhaps Frank can answer whether they'll try to get the Wesley game in or not.  From their website there is no indication this game will be played.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2010, 02:28:33 PM
I don't think Millsaps is planning on playing Wesley in a makeup game.  It would seem rather pointless to play if Millsaps doesn't qualify for the SCAC Tournament and if Millsaps does qualify, I'm sure they would rather spend that time preparing for the first round team.

As an aside, the Wesley roster has a former Millsaps player on the roster--as in former from 6 years back.  The NCCAA rules must be different from the eligibility rules used in the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 21, 2010, 08:36:11 AM
Hendrix will say goodbye to their seniors today before the game with CC.

Cal Rose, Jansen Hightower, Jesse Ford, and Sean McQueen are the survivors from a large recruiting class that helped turn the Warrior program back in the right direction.

These young men will surely be successful in whatever they do.
Thanks from one of your loyal fans!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2010, 09:49:16 AM
Big games today for both Millsaps and Colorado College.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2010, 01:11:36 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2010, 02:28:33 PM
I don't think Millsaps is planning on playing Wesley in a makeup game.  It would seem rather pointless to play if Millsaps doesn't qualify for the SCAC Tournament and if Millsaps does qualify, I'm sure they would rather spend that time preparing for the first round team.

As an aside, the Wesley roster has a former Millsaps player on the roster--as in former from 6 years back.  The NCCAA rules must be different from the eligibility rules used in the NCAA.

Thanks. I just thought I should ask because there is no indication on the Millsaps schedule as to what the status of that game is.

http://www.gomajors.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&schedule=72&
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
Looking like it's in Millsaps' hands as to who is the West's #4 seed in the SCAC tournament.  Hendrix is about finish out a season-ending win over Colorado College.  Less than 2 minutes to play and Hendrix is up 11 points.
Millsaps is down 1 point at the half to Austin.  If Millsaps wins, they are in.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2010, 05:48:31 PM
Millsaps wins 60-56 to sew up the last seed in the West.  This could be a crazy tournament.  Millsaps, in an ironically funny way, might be considered the favorite with the tournament played in their house.  Centre as #1 seed in the East will have first crack at the Majors.  Blake Martinez was the Majors' hero with 27 and he's come up big in their final two home victories.  That too may be yet a good omen for Millsaps as they march on.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
Thank you, Hendrix!

Millsaps played their best game of the year against the team that I thought was their toughest opponent of the year.  Blake Martinez hit a critical 3-point shot towards the end of the game from the same spot that Chad Songy hit his 3-pointer that game Millsaps the regional title in 2008. 

While Blake's shot and his points will get the attention, that's what you would expect from a senior in a game like this.  What put Millsaps over the top was the play off the bench from a lot of guys who knew their role and did their part.  For me, this was just a memorable a win as that 2008 win in the regional finals. 

It's going to be a wild tournament next weekend--I'm glad Millsaps will be a part of the action.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2010, 02:34:39 PM
Ok, who is in the best shape to win this weekend's SCAC tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 22, 2010, 09:48:53 PM
Well I think Depauw caught an unusual break getting the #2 seed and the bottom bracket. Centre as the #1 seed meets a very dangerous Millsaps on a roll at home... ouch ouch ouch Centre is a tough team (esp for Depauw)but Millsaps at home as the reward for taking the East doesn't seem like a bonus.Depauw did well vs Southwestern at home and will be a good game(nearly all will be).Austin looks to have a good draw to open.......Its just to close to call and I think experience is what it will come down to. Count the Seniors
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on February 22, 2010, 11:15:28 PM
Yesterday's action at Conway was fun for the Warrior fans who have watched a tough season.  HC played inspired and worked as a team. 
The seniors truly went out with class.  (unlike Nick Rose of CC who gave a hand gesture to the student section after fouling out)  >:(

I'm done for this year.  See you guys when we tip it off in November!

Good luck to the Lady Warriors in the SCAC tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2010, 11:24:25 PM
Maybe the coaches voting POTY will take into consideration your comments.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2010, 11:32:20 PM
Quote from: brave heart on February 22, 2010, 09:48:53 PM
Well I think Depauw caught an unusual break getting the #2 seed and the bottom bracket. Centre as the #1 seed meets a very dangerous Millsaps on a roll at home... ouch ouch ouch Centre is a tough team (esp for Depauw)but Millsaps at home as the reward for taking the East doesn't seem like a bonus.Depauw did well vs Southwestern at home and will be a good game(nearly all will be).Austin looks to have a good draw to open.......Its just to close to call and I think experience is what it will come down to. Count the Seniors
Don't disagree, Brave Heart. However, DePauw doesn't need to take Southwestern lightly. Realizing the Pirates wrapped their regular season on something of a negative bender, they are capable when shooting it well. Think if Cox can get back on his game, DePauw will get some competition. I saw them take down Centre in Danville on a magnificent shooting night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2010, 06:37:24 AM
I've seen 7 of the 8 teams play this year since most of these teams played in the Hangar Dome during the regular season.  Millsaps certainly has an impressive record when playing against the field at home:

Wins (5):  Southwestern (69-59), Trinity (47-39), Centre (53-52), Oglethorpe (66-62), Austin (60-56)

Loss (1):  DePauw (65-67)

That 5-1 record could easily be 6-0 or 2-4, so we will have to see if Millsaps can continue to eke out wins at home against very good teams.  After having seen these 6 opponents, I'd give Austin the edge on the field.  They are very good and in a third game when legs are getting tired, their size will big a factor.  It's hard for a smaller team with tired legs to compete against such big bodies.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2010, 11:43:50 AM
Just in case there are any photographers coming to the SCAC Tournament this weekend, here are the settings that I've been using all year with fairly good results.  If you know anything about camera settings, this is just verification that the lighting is rather poor at the Hangar Dome on the Millsaps campus (but it's just as poor at Belhaven College, D1 Jackson State University, and a few SCAC locations that I visited in the past):

Camera:  Canon 50D

6400 ISO
2.8 f-stop
1/500 shutter speed

On the color balance I've tried the AWB setting but it seems to turn out too yellow.  Mostly of the time I set the temperature to 3600K and that's fairly close.  I've had a more experienced cameraman tell me that they thought 3300K was correct, so try somewhere in that range and see what you think.

There is some odd lighting at the goal closest to the football field, probably a different type of bulb used when replacing the lights.  Some of those photos turn out too white/blue but that's just a fluke that I've tried to deal with in editing.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 23, 2010, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2010, 11:24:25 PM
Maybe the coaches voting POTY will take into consideration your comments.

I have a feeling that after Oglethorpe's latest 77-70 win over Depauw that saw OU's Todd Ward score 12 points in the last 3:56 of the game, including a steal and acrobatic layup while being fouled to seal the game will no doubt garner him the honor of being left off of Coach Bill Fenlon's ballot.  While I don't have any "facts" to support this assumption but recent history leads me to believe that I might be fairly accurate.  Time will tell.....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2010, 01:00:30 PM
Okay, I absolutely refuse to get lured into any discussion about the POTY honor. :)  I helped stir up some things a few years back but I've matured since then. :) :)

However, I would have been shocked if Blake Martinez didn't get the POTW award for his massive scoring outburst over the weekend, especially the 25 second half points against Austin when a SCAC Tournament berth was on the line.  Congratulations on winning this week's award:

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/potw/2009-10/week13
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 23, 2010, 08:19:45 PM
Don't have a obvious pick for POTY like there was last year.Ward played hard the last 5min of the Depauw game but I think it takes more than that to earn a POTY vote.Attitude has to play a roll in the voting and this will hurt Mr.Rose.Lets just wait and see. ???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2010, 09:03:27 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on February 23, 2010, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2010, 11:24:25 PM
Maybe the coaches voting POTY will take into consideration your comments.

I have a feeling that after Oglethorpe's latest 77-70 win over Depauw that saw OU's Todd Ward score 12 points in the last 3:56 of the game, including a steal and acrobatic layup while being fouled to seal the game will no doubt garner him the honor of being left off of Coach Bill Fenlon's ballot.  While I don't have any "facts" to support this assumption but recent history leads me to believe that I might be fairly accurate.  Time will tell.....
Todd Ward is a very good player when healthy.  He has not been a picture of health this season with several injuries slowing him down.  What he did against DePauw is indicative of what he's capable of when not hurt.  Think Ward will need to wait until his senior year to compete for POTY.  My mind says Kola Alade should be the guy, but something tells me a few glaring statistics may lead the coaches to choose Nick Rose.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on February 23, 2010, 09:31:34 PM
SCAC Hoops Weekly - Tournament Edition
http://scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/weekly_reports/022210mbasketballupdate.pdf (http://scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/weekly_reports/022210mbasketballupdate.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 24, 2010, 11:00:39 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2010, 09:03:27 PM
Quote from: FlightofthePetrel on February 23, 2010, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 22, 2010, 11:24:25 PM
Maybe the coaches voting POTY will take into consideration your comments.

I have a feeling that after Oglethorpe's latest 77-70 win over Depauw that saw OU's Todd Ward score 12 points in the last 3:56 of the game, including a steal and acrobatic layup while being fouled to seal the game will no doubt garner him the honor of being left off of Coach Bill Fenlon's ballot.  While I don't have any "facts" to support this assumption but recent history leads me to believe that I might be fairly accurate.  Time will tell.....
Todd Ward is a very good player when healthy.  He has not been a picture of health this season with several injuries slowing him down.  What he did against DePauw is indicative of what he's capable of when not hurt.  Think Ward will need to wait until his senior year to compete for POTY.  My mind says Kola Alade should be the guy, but something tells me a few glaring statistics may lead the coaches to choose Nick Rose.  

It's very unlikely that the POTY will come from a team that didn't make the SCAC Tournament.  I think it will be Kola Alade based on his play this year and previous voting patterns of the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 25, 2010, 11:51:46 AM
Well I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Kola get Player of the Year, that's for sure.  And am I crazy, or does AC have a realistic chance of getting both the men's (Kola) and women's (Katy Williams) POTY's AND the men's (Rodney Wecker) and women's (Deb Hunter) Coach of the Year? 

That would be absolutely amazing for Austin College, if it somehow played out like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2010, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 25, 2010, 11:51:46 AM
Well I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Kola get Player of the Year, that's for sure.  And am I crazy, or does AC have a realistic chance of getting both the men's (Kola) and women's (Katy Williams) POTY's AND the men's (Rodney Wecker) and women's (Deb Hunter) Coach of the Year? 

That would be absolutely amazing for Austin College, if it somehow played out like that.
I am thinking Byler has got to be in the discussion, too.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 26, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
So, any thoughts on how the tournament will play out?

G1: Centre def. Millsaps
G2: Oglethorpe def. Trinity
G3: AC def. Rhodes
G4: DePauw def. Southwestern

And I just realized I picked three out of four from the East.  Anyway, moving on:

Centre def. Oglethorpe
AC def. DePauw

Setting up a showdown between the two #1 seeds.  And because I'm a homer and just want to see it happen, I'll take AC over Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: jekelish on February 26, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
So, any thoughts on how the tournament will play out?

G1: Centre def. Millsaps
G2: Oglethorpe def. Trinity
G3: AC def. Rhodes
G4: DePauw def. Southwestern

And I just realized I picked three out of four from the East.  Anyway, moving on:

Centre def. Oglethorpe
AC def. DePauw

Setting up a showdown between the two #1 seeds.  And because I'm a homer and just want to see it happen, I'll take AC over Centre.
Are you taking in the games live at Millsaps Jekelish?

I just have to believe there will be some upsets in the men's competition.  The only one I think is probably a given is Austin over Rhodes.  I think anything might be possible in the other games.  Trinity is playing much better right now and is certainly capable if they can defend and rebound, and catch Oglethorpe's perimeter game not clicking.  You know more about the status of Southwestern.  They're able to shoot teams out of the gym some nights - not sure how healthy they are right now.  Millsaps being the host team and having gotten strong play the past several games from senior Blake Martinez are threat to dismantle Centre in the opener.

I do like Austin to make the finals.  I am caught between Trinity and Centre on the other side.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 26, 2010, 12:02:34 PM
G1: Centre def. Millsaps by a margin of 5 points or less
G2: Oglethorpe def. Trinity by 4
G3: Austin def. Rhodes  by 12
G4: Southwestern def. Depauw by1


Oglethorpe def. Centre
Austin def. Southwestern

Oglethorpe def. Austin  in the Finals

I know that probably sounds like a stretch... especially since Oglethorpe hasn't beaten Centre in like 8 years but if they can win that game I would bet they beat whoever comes out from the other side...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 26, 2010, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: jekelish on February 26, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
So, any thoughts on how the tournament will play out?

G1: Centre def. Millsaps
G2: Oglethorpe def. Trinity
G3: AC def. Rhodes
G4: DePauw def. Southwestern

And I just realized I picked three out of four from the East.  Anyway, moving on:

Centre def. Oglethorpe
AC def. DePauw

Setting up a showdown between the two #1 seeds.  And because I'm a homer and just want to see it happen, I'll take AC over Centre.
Are you taking in the games live at Millsaps Jekelish?





I will not be making the trip, unfortunately, so I'll be relying on the internet broadcasts to keep me updated on both the men's and women's teams from AC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2010, 02:33:41 PM
Apparently that Millsaps-Wesley game did take place. Originally Millsaps reported it won; now Millsaps reports that it lost. Oof.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2010, 02:53:56 PM
Yay, Millsaps has added live stats and live video links for today's games.  Go to: 

http://gomajors.com/sports/2010/2/15/GEN_0215102137.aspx?path=mbball

The Majors and Centre are tied at 35 early in the second.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FlightofthePetrel on February 26, 2010, 04:57:31 PM
Calderera is keeping the Tigers in game with a stellar second half.

Love the reference to Trinity's facial hair... they always seem to have some interesting combination's.

Oglethorpe's second unit is outplaying the starters... especially on the defensive end... they should get extended minutes in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2010, 05:58:31 PM
Tomorrow's first semifinal is set.

Centre defeated Millsaps 64-49 - the box isn't up yet so no details available. 

Trinity came back from 7 down at the 6:49 mark in the second to ease past OU, 61-52.   The aforementioned Caldarera ended with 26 points and 9 rebounds; OU had a balanced attack without any single player scoring in double figures.  Wade Weldon had 9 and 9 to lead the Stormy Petrels. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 26, 2010, 06:56:52 PM
(El Tea Gray---re:  Trinity "Tiger D")


Ron,  you failed to mention that the "Tiger D" did not give up a field goal the last 6 minutes of the game. Defense wins tournament basketball.


                                                                              :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2010, 08:37:45 AM
Centre's 2nd half performance was impressive as they wrestled the lead away from Millsaps with outstanding defense and fresher legs. The game stayed close until late when Millsaps began missing shots from the perimeter - I don't recall a Millsaps basket in the final 5 minutes. Centre got good contributions from all of the starters and several reserves.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 27, 2010, 09:43:54 AM
The difference between Millsaps and Centre was most obvious when the teams lined up to jump center and when the subs reported to the scorer's table.  Centre had a huge size advantage and they were scoring lots of inside points while Millsaps was having to hope to stay hot from the outside all game. 

Millsaps led this game 28-24 at the half, it was 40-40 with 12:09 to go, Centre had a 52-49 lead at the 5:00 mark, and the last 5 minutes ended with a Centre 12-0 run as Millsaps had to shoot quick 3's to try and catch up and then foul to stop the clock. 

I just went to the Millsaps website to see what Millsaps shot on their 3's and saw the Millsaps story on the game.  Centre outscored Millsaps 32-8 in the paint.  That 24 point advantage is hard to overcome.  Here's a link to that story which has a link to the boxscore:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2010/2/26/MBB_0226102623.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2010, 04:46:06 PM
Centre prevailed with a dominant 2nd half over an overmatched Trinity squad 62-44. As has been Centre's trademark so far in this tournament the team was balanced. Greg Ross and Matt Griggs gave exemplary efforts off the Colonels' bench. Amazingly, neither Noll nor Mullaney scored in the 1st half; each contributed big in the 2nd 20 minutes. Now it's wait & see who they play. DePauw is up 17-16 at the half on a poor shooting game so far for both squads.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on February 28, 2010, 11:11:44 AM
Well its Kentucky vs Indiana today in the SCAC final,both men and women.Depauw men put on a nice run in the second half after a poor shooting first half by both AC and Depauw. Depauw held on at the end by knocking down crucial free throws when AC was forced to foul. Centre had a much easier game against Trinity which I was surprised by.Centre should be fresher but this is the finals and the colonels are our rivals so anything can happen. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ziggy on February 28, 2010, 02:15:02 PM
I'm watching the video cast with a radio feed of the final. The announcers stated that the loser may have a chance at an at-large bid. I need to refute that, neither team has a resume to stand up to other pool C candidates.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 28, 2010, 02:58:38 PM
I'd assume that seed got planted when Pat listed DePauw as his sixth team out in the Pool C projections (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/25/taking-a-whack-at-pool-c/) that he released yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2010, 03:29:15 PM
Centre gets it done 60-56 to make it to the D3 tournament for the 4th straight year. From a 1-4 start to a league championship and an 18-8 record speaks volumes of what this team accomplished over the course of the season. The DePauw-Centre game was a typical nip & tuck affair with neither team ever taking real control. Centre got some big baskets from Jeff Mullaney in the stretch run and 2 huge free throws from Josh Crawford to expand a 2- point margin to 4 late in the contest. No shots were taken in last 15 seconds.  Now Centre will wait to see where they head next.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ououou on February 28, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
congrats to centre. classy kids... classy parents... classy coach.
they deserved it.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2010, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: ououou on February 28, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
congrats to centre. classy kids... classy parents... classy coach.
they deserved it.
A very nice compliment to Centre. Thank you. Actually I believe your comments apply to many SCAC schools, their student-athletes and their parents.

On another matter, I want to say thanks to Tim Wise and his staff & volunteers for staging an enjoyable tournament at Millsaps. I, myself, was not a big proponent of the Hangar Dome as the tourney venue.  However, coming out of the weekend, I can honestly say all of the Millsaps folks I encountered were as kind as ever and made me feel right at home.  Kudos also to the SCAC Commissioner and his staff. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on March 01, 2010, 08:33:06 AM
Congrats to Centre players ,fans and coaches.Centre is a very good ball club and deserving of the tournament win. You beat a very good Depauw team three times this year and that is hard to do with any team.Millsaps put on an excellent tournament and should be commended. Depauw players should be very proud of a 20-8 season.You overcame a lot of injuries and always competed. Good Luck Seniors in all you do and to the six Seniors to be, next year is your season lets go one step further. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2010, 10:40:56 AM
Colonels are headed to Virginia to play at Eastern Mennonite.  A tough draw for sure, but the SCAC wasn't likely to get any easy 1st round game this year based on the league parity and lack of regional wins outside the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on March 01, 2010, 11:01:08 AM
Good Luck. Saw some pretty impressive video on them.Enjoy the run.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 01, 2010, 11:28:02 AM
Quote from: brave heart on March 01, 2010, 11:01:08 AM
Good Luck. Saw some pretty impressive video on them.Enjoy the run.
Yea, I think that's the key word - be prepared to RUN against this opponent!  Eastern Mennonite went into Guilford earlier in the season and spanked them by 27 - pretty heady stuff.  We'll have our work cut out for us trying to play our style against theirs.  Nevertheless, winning the SCAC was a great accomplishment, and any additional play should be fun and exciting regardless of the outcome.  I know Centre will be ready to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Emu435 on March 01, 2010, 05:26:04 PM
i just came over here to check out Centre since we will be playing yall friday.  I wanted to wish yall good luck, and if anyone is making the trip just let me know if you need some directions or something.  and safe travels to yall as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2010, 07:38:27 AM
Quote from: Emu435 on March 01, 2010, 05:26:04 PM
i just came over here to check out Centre since we will be playing yall friday.  I wanted to wish yall good luck, and if anyone is making the trip just let me know if you need some directions or something.  and safe travels to yall as well.
Know that Centre fans will appreciate the offer.  Understand that tournament time is something of a new experience for EMU, particularly the hosting part.  It's an exciting time for the fans & students of the host school, though I understand students at Eastern Mennonite are about to embark on spring break. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2010, 08:17:09 AM
The Memphis Commercial Appeal has a nice story this morning reporting on the retirement of Rhodes' basketball coach, Herb Hilgeman after 34 years at the helm. Coach Hilgeman compiled an impressive record of 473-360 in his career. He'll be missed by the Rhodes community, players and fans.  He's been a class act for 34 years at this school.  Best wishes to Herb as he moves on to the next chapter in his life.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Emu435 on March 02, 2010, 09:52:59 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2010, 07:38:27 AM
Quote from: Emu435 on March 01, 2010, 05:26:04 PM
i just came over here to check out Centre since we will be playing yall friday.  I wanted to wish yall good luck, and if anyone is making the trip just let me know if you need some directions or something.  and safe travels to yall as well.
Know that Centre fans will appreciate the offer.  Understand that tournament time is something of a new experience for EMU, particularly the hosting part.  It's an exciting time for the fans & students of the host school, though I understand students at Eastern Mennonite are about to embark on spring break. Thanks.

well i am a current student here at EMU, and my spring break is put on hold until saturday night.  i dont have such a far drive (about 2 hours) as some students who might have to keep their spring break plans.  it will be fun though.  everyone on campus is excited as tickets go on sale tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on March 02, 2010, 10:00:06 AM
Yall get ready to see the best defensive team you have probably faced all season! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Emu435 on March 02, 2010, 03:57:46 PM
Quote from: brave heart on March 02, 2010, 10:00:06 AM
Yall get ready to see the best defensive team you have probably faced all season! ;)

i think this will be interesting.  We are one of the best offensive teams in the nation, and i have heard that you guys at centre have a strong defensive team.  i am not sure yall can guard against nba range three's but we shall see.  i think we will still score 90 points even still.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2010, 09:24:52 PM
Quote from: Emu435 on March 02, 2010, 03:57:46 PM
Quote from: brave heart on March 02, 2010, 10:00:06 AM
Yall get ready to see the best defensive team you have probably faced all season! ;)

i think this will be interesting.  We are one of the best offensive teams in the nation, and i have heard that you guys at centre have a strong defensive team.  i am not sure yall can guard against nba range three's but we shall see.  i think we will still score 90 points even still.
Brave Heart is perhaps a little generous; though Centre will definitely guard its opponent. Hopefully they can slow tempo some. If EMU is successful in running, forcing its usual assortment of turnovers and hitting deep 3's, it'll be a tough go for Centre.  The Colonels have size, but clearly won't match the speed & quickness of Eastern Mennonite.  It'll be important that Centre not let the score get out of hand and not commit silly mistakes.  Centre has made several comebacks to win games this season, but not by huge margins. They're also good in tight games making plays offensively and stops defensively.  Obviously one of these teams will be forced to change it's method of play some & that'll likely influence the game's outcome.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2010, 09:41:30 PM
Congratulations to Danny Noll of Centre for being one of ten finalists for the Josten's Award.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Emu435 on March 03, 2010, 01:13:10 AM
Yeah i agree with you brooks the only common team they have faced this year is Emory and Henry.  when centre played them they won 80 to 70.  when we played them, we won 101 to 69.  i know we cant base our predictions on this, but i feel like we here at EMU have a chance for a run at the championship this year and i dont think centre will be much of a speed bump for us to cruise over.  but we shall see friday night.  hope to see you all here.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 03, 2010, 09:30:47 AM
Quote from: Emu435 on March 03, 2010, 01:13:10 AM
Yeah i agree with you brooks the only common team they have faced this year is Emory and Henry.  when centre played them they won 80 to 70.  when we played them, we won 101 to 69.  i know we cant base our predictions on this, but i feel like we here at EMU have a chance for a run at the championship this year and i dont think centre will be much of a speed bump for us to cruise over.  but we shall see friday night.  hope to see you all here.
The margin of victory over E&H is a barometer, but perhaps not the best one in 2009-10.  A lot of it has to do with the coach's philosophy for ending the game.  Do you run it up really big or do you let the subs get a lot of court time?  Be careful about being overly confident in the NCAA's.  EMU is certainly a heavy favorite, but all the other teams are here for a reason.  Don't let comments like "i don't think centre will be much of a speed bump for us to cruise over" show up on the bulletin board in Centre's lockerroom!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Emu435 on March 03, 2010, 01:07:26 PM
yeah i agree with you Hasanova.  I want to see a good game friday because if we win friday i will have to miss the game saturday.  But thanks for Penn-Atlantic.  i wont miss a game but i have to get home.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 03, 2010, 02:31:54 PM
Quote from: Emu435 on March 03, 2010, 01:07:26 PM
yeah i agree with you Hasanova.  I want to see a good game friday because if we win friday i will have to miss the game saturday.  But thanks for Penn-Atlantic.  i wont miss a game but i have to get home.
When I was in college, all we had for away games was radio, so glad for the new technology.  I think it's super that EMU has such solid support this season!  I hope there will be a big home crowd for Guilford this weekend as well.  Enjoy, it's a fun time - you won't forget it!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2010, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: Emu435 on March 03, 2010, 01:07:26 PM
yeah i agree with you Hasanova.  I want to see a good game friday because if we win friday i will have to miss the game saturday.  But thanks for Penn-Atlantic.  i wont miss a game but i have to get home.
I can assure you that Coach Greg Mason of Centre is not in the habit of running up scores. If he feels his team is in control he'll pull starters to give his reserves a chance to gain time & experience on the court. Did I read in someone's post that these games at EMU are available on video?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 03, 2010, 07:45:32 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2010, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: Emu435 on March 03, 2010, 01:07:26 PM
yeah i agree with you Hasanova.  I want to see a good game friday because if we win friday i will have to miss the game saturday.  But thanks for Penn-Atlantic.  i wont miss a game but i have to get home.
I can assure you that Coach Greg Mason of Centre is not in the habit of running up scores. If he feels his team is in control he'll pull starters to give his reserves a chance to gain time & experience on the court. Did I read in someone's post that these games at EMU are available on video?
Many ODAC schools do indeed videostream live with a service such as PennAtlantic.  EMU may use a different service, so check their website to be sure.  I know fellow-ODAC member Guilford is broadcasting their pod - just follow the links at www.guilford.edu to men's basketball, schedule and the CNU game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Emu435 on March 03, 2010, 08:33:38 PM
to the post on EMU possibly having alternative means for showing games other than Penn-Atlantic.   i dont think so.  all the e-mails i receive as a student says that the game will be aired via Penn-Atlantic.  i am not aware of any videos of the team playing games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Emu435 on March 03, 2010, 08:37:48 PM
This video is a clip of us knocking off Randolph-macon earlier in the season when they were number one.  i dont think there is much better out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQqLEon8Ko&NR=1
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2010, 11:32:19 PM
The top seats are $15. Second-tier seats are $10.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 04, 2010, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2010, 11:32:19 PM
The top seats are $15. Second-tier seats are $10.
Thanks.  That is a premium in DIII. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 03:36:16 PM
Don't forget, final three-plus hours to enter the D3hoops.com bracket challenge.

You have extra time for the women's bracket, since the first game isn't until 4 p.m. ET on Friday.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pickem/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2010, 09:54:49 PM
Eastern Mennonite wrapped things up late with a 63-53 win over Centre to send the Colonels packing. Centre played solid defense and Coach Mason mixed his defenses to confuse or slow EMU as much as possible. EMU is a fine basketball team that appeared to be a bit tight tonight, but their athletic wings took advantage of opportunities in the 2nd half to score when Centre went absolutely cold.  Credit EMU for some good defense, too. However, the Colonels had many decent looks which they couldn't convert, especially in the final 10 minutes of the game. I think Centre went a stretch in the 2nd half where they didn't score a basket for 6 minutes.  35% shooting and 18 turnovers hurt Centre tonight. Danny Noll finished his Colonel career tonight with a nice 17 point effort. Congratulations to Centre on representing the SCAC well in a difficult venue against a top 10 team. Good luck to EMU - may you go deep in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 06, 2010, 10:01:27 AM
pbrooks3,

If I haven't done it already this season, let me thank you for all the posts on the SCAC this season.  It must have felt very lonely at times.  Between the Millsaps photos of basketball/dance team/cheerleaders, the photos taken for friends and family during the Christmas season, and trying to catch up on things after a busy fall season, I just couldn't find the time or energy to do much on the D3 board this season. 

Congratulations to the Centre team on their SCAC Championship and it's a shame that they drew such a tough opponent in the first round.  I guess all the teams are tough at this point of the season. 

Now I guess it is time for the board regulars to move over to the baseball action.  It sounds like the East half is ready to make some noise this year with Rhodes, Oglethorpe, and Birmingham already off to fast starts.  The West is turning into the typical dogfight.  Millsaps has built a little cushion here at the start, one that could be padded with two wins over Austin this weekend or it might totally vanish with a couple of Roo victories.  It should be some good baseball and it is being webcast by Millsaps so I hope a few board readers will check out the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 07, 2010, 09:01:41 AM
pbrooks, you are probably the only one still here and the only non-Millsaps person who would be interested in these photos from the Centre-Millsaps game at the SCAC Tournament:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MC2009-10/MB2009-10/MBB022610/11438967_uQUJY#804277529_yzTmK

For any sports photographers who might be interested, this set of photos was taken with the new Canon Mark IV.  The settings were 1/800 shutter speed, 2.8 f-stop, and an ISO of 10,000.  Almost all were taken with a Canon 70-200 2.8L IS lens.  Also, the Mark IV has 4 settings for JPEG photos:  L, M1, M2, and S.  Naturally that stands for large, medium 1, medium 2, and small.  All of these photos were taken with the medium 2 setting.  I presume that the quality would have been better at the L or M1 settings, but my volume of photos makes it impractical for me to use the larger file sizes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on March 07, 2010, 11:33:36 AM
I am still here and am very impressed with the quality of photos.That venue would be very difficult to get the quality that you have achieved.I viewed your go majors smug mug pics and found Depauw vs Millsaps and really enjoyed your sequence pictures (esp how it ended "sorry") Thanks and hope to see some more from you next year!! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 07, 2010, 06:15:06 PM
Well, if I had artistic control over my photos, I would have changed the ending of that DePauw at Millsaps game.  ;)

When I'm taking the photos at Millsaps, naturally I concentrate on getting photos of the Millsaps players.  However, when I'm editing the photos I do attempt to crop the photos so that I include good images of players on the opposing team.  I've even been known to delete a decent photo when it would be particularly embarrassing to an opposing player. 

I've always figured that the vast majority of SCAC athletes are quality young men and women, so why not treat all the players from all the teams with the respect that they deserve.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 07, 2010, 09:15:11 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 07, 2010, 06:15:06 PM
Well, if I had artistic control over my photos, I would have changed the ending of that DePauw at Millsaps game.  ;)

When I'm taking the photos at Millsaps, naturally I concentrate on getting photos of the Millsaps players.  However, when I'm editing the photos I do attempt to crop the photos so that I include good images of players on the opposing team.  I've even been known to delete a decent photo when it would be particularly embarrassing to an opposing player. 

I've always figured that the vast majority of SCAC athletes are quality young men and women, so why not treat all the players from all the teams with the respect that they deserve.
Thank you, Frank.  I had got an inquiry from one of the Centre players about photos, and had pointed him to your website and the excellent work you do.  You've got several excellent shots of this particular young man from the Centre-Millsaps encounter.  I will direct him again to look through your picture gallery.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 05, 2010, 10:24:56 PM
A huge "huzzah" for the job coach Brad Stevens, DPU '99, has done with the Butler Bulldogs.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 06, 2010, 07:24:55 PM
It is great for D3 basketball, not to mention DePauw, and indicates that it is real basketball that D3 plays (not that anyone reading this does not already know that....).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on May 16, 2010, 10:42:02 PM
Thad McCracken is the new head coach at Hendrix.

http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/news.aspx?id=46861
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hendrixfan on May 18, 2010, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: tarheelfan on May 16, 2010, 10:42:02 PM
Thad McCracken is the new head coach at Hendrix.

http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/news.aspx?id=46861


This is big news for HC at a crucial time.  Priest took over a program that was awful.  He and McCracken recruited hard and brought in a talented group that took the Warriors to a level they had not been in a while.
Unfortunately, there has been a mass exodus of good players in the past 2-3 years.  Priest was never seen on campus and had no PR skills with fans, parents, players, students, faculty, referees, or boosters.

This is a great timing for this move.  Priest can exit with the program at a higher level than it was when he arrived, and McCracken will work hard in recruiting and coaching to make HC a winner.

Good luck to Coach Priest and his family.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 18, 2010, 02:51:40 PM
Priest was just announced as the new HC at Kenyon:

http://athletics.kenyon.edu/x35141.xml

He'll try to do there what he did at Hendrix, turn around a struggling program.  The Lords were 6-19 and have not had much success recently.  16 wins last year (16-11 overall) were the most in 15 seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 18, 2010, 05:40:23 PM
Active offseason in the SCAC

Rhodes hires DeGeorge to take over Men's Basketball Program (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/rhodes_hires_degeorge)

Mike DeGeorge has been named Rhodes Head Men's Basketball Coach. Coach DeGeorge most recently served as the Head Basketball Coach at Cornell College in Mount Vernon, Iowa, where he transformed the Cornell program from three wins in 2005-06 to 21 wins in 2008-09.

[...]
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on May 18, 2010, 09:21:28 PM
Very pleased to see Thad McCracken back in Mens Basketball @ Hendrix. He will definitely head the program in the right direction. He was the best thing Coach Priest had going as far as bringing decent players into the program. Priest's move to Kenyon is good for him as well getting him close to his roots. He'll have a big challenge competing in another tough conference. Hopefully he can pick up another fine assistant like McCracken to aid in the effort to move Kenyon's program along.

Rhodes appears to have picked up an established, proven coach in Mike DeGeorge. He's helped to turn two Midwest programs into winners.  It's a bit of a mixed deal for him following a legend in Hilgeman but he'll be granted plenty of time to move Rhodes along given some of their tough SCAC seasons of late.

Always healthy to see some change in the SCAC.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on June 09, 2010, 09:08:31 PM
 >:(  NOT AT ALL HAPPY WITH DEPAUW'S DECISION TO LEAVE THE SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on June 10, 2010, 09:42:10 AM
Don't guess Dan Priest was  bargaining to have annual matchups with DePauw when he left Hendrix for Kenyon, but that will happen when the Tigers start play in the NCAC! I can't say I am surprised with DPU moving to the North Coast Athletic Conference - this has been strongly rumored for the last few years.  This puts DePauw in a solid conference with other regionally strong academic schools - a whole lot less travel.  I am not sure how the Tiger faithful feel about this as the NCAC is probably considered an athletic step-up for a team that has enjoyed much success in the SCAC.  I'll be curious to see whether this signals other changes to come in the SCAC.  Centre and DePauw have developed quite a basketball rivalry - wonder whether these 2 teams will schedule annual out-of-conference tilts with one another.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 10, 2010, 11:03:07 AM
It wouldn't be a step up in women's basketball. It would be harder to win the league in men's basketball but top to bottom the competition is tougher in the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 14, 2010, 05:02:27 PM
Quote from: brave heart on June 09, 2010, 09:08:31 PM
>:(  NOT AT ALL HAPPY WITH DEPAUW'S DECISION TO LEAVE THE SCAC.

Alright, I'll bite on this.  Why? 

I mean, I guess I see the point from somebody that only cares about men's basketball, but there are so many other positives.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on June 14, 2010, 06:10:59 PM
Well I believe the same advantages hold true for all the Depauw athletes though I do look at it through the eyes of a men's basketball fan.Part of the draw to Depauw for basketball players is the travel schedule.Granted it is a large conference,but it resembles a D1 travel schedule and this is quite appealing to these young prospective college athletes.San Antonio,Austin,Memphis,Colorado Springs vs Kenyon,Wittenburg,Wooster....I think you probably get it.It was used as a recruiting point esp with those players choosing between Wabash and Depauw.The travel savings will be significant,but I think nearly across the board the competition will be lower.Now I will bite what advantages do you see in the NACA across the board?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 14, 2010, 06:31:22 PM
I loved the travel as much as the next guy, but if you come to a school because of the towns they go to, you're doing it wrong.  You go to DePauw to play basketball because you like DePauw.  You go to DePauw to play basketball because you want to play for Bill Fenlon and his offensive system.  You go because you want to be greek, you want one of DePauw's majors that are the best in the land, or you want to live in one of those cool duplexes.  You go there instead of Wabash because you don't want to go to an all-boys school.  Also, winning 20 games a year while Wabash wins 14 or 15 would certainly help me make up my mind, too.

We went through this on the football board a couple days ago, too.  My thought is this - I LOVE Memphis.  My favorite trip every year.  San Antonio is great.  Those kids will miss the riverwalk or going to the CNN Tower in Atlanta and so on.  But, how many recruits do you NOT get because they don't want all that travel?  How many recruits do you think DePauw gains in a given class that come SOLELY for the travel?  Can you say definitively that one is more than the other?  I don't think I can say that's the case.  I don't buy that not having the travel angle kills recruiting.  This men's basketball program is strong enough to recruit regardless of that.

Plus, how many Ohio recruits do you gain from showing up at Denison, Kenyon, Witt, Woo, & OWU?  DePauw had 2 Ohio recruits in the last decade.  One quit after his freshman year and the other is Dan Gifford, whose brother also went to DePauw.  Maybe Ohio isn't a basketball hotbed, but Wittenberg and Wooster are sure doing something right.  I would mind taking some kids away from them, I can tell you that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on June 14, 2010, 08:31:51 PM
Point taken,but I didnt say travel or the schedule was everything.I didnt say it would kill recruiting,but when the coach uses it to seal the deal it must mean something...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 28, 2010, 08:22:17 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity Tiger Basketball additions for 2010-2011 season.)


Please see the Team Website Blog for Tiger Basketball for the 5 additions for 2010-2011.
"Wow."

                                                           :)


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2010, 04:09:24 PM
Just stumbled across this myself.   For those who can't find the blog: 

http://trinitymbball.blogspot.com/

Good- looking crew with some height and skills ... nice to see three kids 6'6" or taller in this class. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 07, 2010, 06:26:48 PM
On my way back to NC after attending the inauguration of new Millsaps President Pearigen today. Got my first look at the campus. I'd heard descriptions of the basketball FieldHouse, but it's more clear when you see its inside in person!  Hope the Majors have a good season.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on October 17, 2010, 12:11:46 PM
University of Dallas is joining the SCAC as of 2011-12.  They will move in to the SCAC West while Millsaps will move to the East.
http://www.scacsports.com/news/dallas_joins_scac
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2010, 07:27:57 PM
Trinity has updated their roster (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/roster) .... looks like they have recruited some size this year with no fewer than six frosh listed at 6'6" or taller.    Could bode well for the future.   :)

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 07, 2010, 09:57:10 AM
B-Ball is just about upon us in the SCAC - how do you feel about your particular team?

Looking forward to seeing Centre and its mix of new players with the veterans. Colonels will definitely miss the consistent play of the graduated Danny Noll. Coach Mason has improved his guard play for the 2010-11 season with his incoming freshmen class.

Hope to catch a pair of Centre games in a GA tournament prior to Thanksgiving. Go Colonels!

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2010, 11:34:52 AM
Trinity has now posted their 2010-11 preview (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/preview-recap).  Assistant coach Burt says "it's one of the stronger recruiting groups we've had in recent years" which should help the team deal with the loss of five seniors (three starters).  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2010, 01:09:07 PM
SCAC preseason poll is out (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/preseason_poll).  

Coaches think the power is going to be in the East again this year, with no first place votes for a team from the West.  Centre (just barely) and Trinity are picked to win their respective divisions, with the Colonels given the nod - by one point - over Birmingham-Southern.    Trinity is the choice by a large margin to win the West but would have placed fourth in the East if placed there.  

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 12, 2010, 10:29:42 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger link=topic=4107.msg1255290#msg1255290 date=
(http://preseason%20poll%20is%20out[/b).  

Coaches think the power is going to be in the East again this year, with no first place votes for a team from the West.  Centre (just barely) and Trinity are picked to win their respective divisions, with the Colonels given the nod - by one point - over Birmingham-Southern.    Trinity is the choice by a large margin to win the West but would have placed fourth in the East if placed there.  


I think that's probably a fair assessment. I do think BSU could be the team in the east this year.  Centre should also be good.  Coach Mason has a lot of young players and a solid group of experienced guys. Not certain there's a true go-to guy like some of the past Centre teams.  Shooting was a problem last season, and it's hard to believe it won't pick up some this year.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 14, 2010, 12:45:15 PM
Austin College played Louisiana Tech last night (exhibition for AC, but La Tech counted it on their schedule). Final score 90-58, though it was only a nine point game at halftime. Solid result, really, against a D1 team whose first game of the year was against Texas.

Freshman guard Jordan Hancock led AC with 16 points and another freshman guard, Ransom Okapla, added 10. The result is even better when you consider that the two leading returning scorers from last year, Scott Straley and Josh Saunders, combined for just eight points.

The real season tips off on the road at UT-Dallas on Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 15, 2010, 11:26:08 PM
Centre started the regular season on a positive note winning a tight one at Maryville 76-75. All 5 starters for the Colonels scored in double figures with Josh Crawford leading the way with 18 and Alex Lloyd tallied 16 along with 13 boards - a perfect 8-8 from the field. Centre sizzled the nets at better than 60% for the night. Colonels hit the road again for tournament action at LaGrange College November 19-20.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 16, 2010, 10:19:17 AM
Centre shot the lights out and Maryville had trouble defending ball screens at crucial times.  Centre was pretty solid as usual and well-balanced.  They hung around and kept working, as I would expect from them.  Lloyd is a big guy and Mullaney was the right player to go to at the end.

Depth may be a problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 16, 2010, 09:55:51 PM
As SCAC basketball teams tip-off their seasons this week, we are conducting the Hoops version of SCAC Media Days. Each day, Monday through Thursday, we will post interviews with the head coaches of the conference as well as an interview with one student-athlete from every conference team.

You can find the SCAC Media Days schedule and links to posted interviews here:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/scac_media_days (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/scac_media_days)

Let us know what you think on our Facebook Fan Page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Suwanee-GA/Southern-Collegiate-Athletic-Conference/69306693723 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Suwanee-GA/Southern-Collegiate-Athletic-Conference/69306693723)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on November 17, 2010, 08:28:43 PM
Went to the UTD vs. Austin College game yesterday.  Not very familiar with Austin College's players but it looked to be a fairly new squad.  Point guard Jordan Hancock looks like he can be a really good player. I like his game.  Josh Saunders also looked solid. With some experience I think this could be a really good team.  I will be curious to see how much they have progressed when UTD plays them again in a month. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 17, 2010, 11:21:01 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 16, 2010, 10:19:17 AM
Centre shot the lights out and Maryville had trouble defending ball screens at crucial times.  Centre was pretty solid as usual and well-balanced.  They hung around and kept working, as I would expect from them.  Lloyd is a big guy and Mullaney was the right player to go to at the end.

Depth may be a problem.
I think you're on as far as Centre goes.  Pretty fair starting five and 2-3 coming off the bench are contributors.  After that, it remains to be seen.  As a Centre partisan, I'm hoping a few more of the freshmen develop and are significant role players as the season progresses.  For a team that totally struggled last year shooting the ball, Monday in Maryville was a positive.  Hope we'll continue to see decent shooting on a consistent basis.  Lloyd and Crawford can continue to make this a really good shooting team while Mullaney can be the guy the team can count on in the clutch to deliver key plays.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 17, 2010, 11:37:06 PM
Colorado College 60, Air Force 57 (OT)

As far as I can tell, just the second regular season win ever by a SCAC men's basketball team over a Division I opponent. Sewanee defeated Belmont 74-69 on Dec. 6, 1997.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on November 18, 2010, 07:08:14 PM
 :)Depauw defeated University of Evansville 66-62 about two weeks ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2010, 09:11:44 PM
Quote from: brave heart on November 18, 2010, 07:08:14 PM
:)Depauw defeated University of Evansville 66-62 about two weeks ago.
Exhibition game...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2010, 08:52:39 AM
Centre won its 2nd road game at LaGrange Friday night 62-48 in what I'd describe as ugly. Super sub Greg Ross came off the bench early & pretty much single-handedly torched LaGrange
for 27.  Centre got nice contributions from several younger players in the win.  Colonels have a strong starting five with Lloyd, Mullaney, Crawford, Ellis and the freshman, Donavan Whiteside. Certainly Ross showed he's going to be a major contributor. After that, I think it's a work in process with Binder and Griggs being the other guys right now while the coaches figure who among the rest of the squad can step in.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on November 20, 2010, 09:55:07 PM
And that makes it less of a victory for a d3 over a d1 Ralph? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on November 20, 2010, 09:58:45 PM
Depauw takes its second road win in as many days defeating Franklin then Earlham,In the Wabash tip off classic.Nice wins for Depauw on the road early in the season.2-0 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2010, 11:36:17 PM
Quote from: brave heart link=topic=4107.msg1263204#msg1263204 date=
And that makes it less of a victory for a d3 over a d1 Ralph? ???
A nice victory, but an exhibition game is just that so I believe Ralph and others have the right to recognize that distinction. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2010, 11:48:54 PM
Just returned home after witnessing 2 more early season wins for Centre. The Colonels beat Huntington College 64-45 after opening the game on an 18-0 run with Bryon Ellis dropping 5 threes and leading the victory parade with 18 on Saturday. Again as was the case Friday night, Coach Mason got key contributions from his bench. Freshmen dotted the stat page with Colin Lopez scoring 10. Colonels return to play Tuesday night hosting longtime rival Transylvania in their 1st home game of the season.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: brave heart on November 21, 2010, 10:35:06 AM
So taken
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on November 21, 2010, 10:54:09 PM
I saw Transy in first game vs Thomas More and they are not Transy of old. Missing 4 srs from last year. Bad shooting 3pt and FT night.   Centre wins in a a physical game in Danville on Tuesday...just a prediction.  Video or audio for game?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on November 22, 2010, 06:31:39 AM
Just a brief note from a SLIAC /Wash U fan....  Went over to see Rhodes and Hendrix play at Greenville on Friday.... SCAC fans be very aware of Rhodes Frosh Shane Watson...  if he stays under control, this kid could lead a very young Rhodes team to SCAC championship contention, if not this year, certainly next year.  Only one senior plays, all the rest Frosh and Sophs, and Watson was very impressive.....
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 23, 2010, 10:31:15 PM
Quote from: kyballr link=topic=4107.msg1263810#msg1263810 date=
I saw Transy in first game vs Thomas More and they are not Transy of old. Missing 4 srs from last year. Bad shooting 3pt and FT night.   Centre wins in a a physical game in Danville on Tuesday...just a prediction.  Video or audio for game?

Typical war in Danville tonight & Transy was in control during much of the action from the start in winning 54-51. I'd say Centre played like the younger, more inexperienced team tonight.  Colonels struggled to develop any rhythm and their shooting reminded me of their early season woes of 2009-10.  Transy fans were in abundance and the gym seemed like it belonged to them.  Greg Ross pulled down 13 boards for Centre; 9 in the 1st half. Josh Crawford tallied 15 points. 

Colonels head to the Thanksgiving dinner table 3-1; Transy stands at 1-1.

Happy Holiday to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2010, 10:33:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2010, 09:11:44 PM
Quote from: brave heart on November 18, 2010, 07:08:14 PM
:)Depauw defeated University of Evansville 66-62 about two weeks ago.
Exhibition game...
Quote from: brave heart on November 20, 2010, 09:55:07 PM
And that makes it less of a victory for a d3 over a d1 Ralph? ???
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 20, 2010, 11:36:17 PM
Quote from: brave heart link=topic=4107.msg1263204#msg1263204 date=
And that makes it less of a victory for a d3 over a d1 Ralph? ???
A nice victory, but an exhibition game is just that so I believe Ralph and others have the right to recognize that distinction. 
:)

Yes and thanks.

McMurry beat Houston Baptist 64-60 in an exhibition game in Houston this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 23, 2010, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: hopefan link=topic=4107.msg1263868#msg1263868 date=
Just a brief note from a SLIAC /Wash U fan....  Went over to see Rhodes and Hendrix play at Greenville on Friday.... SCAC fans be very aware of Rhodes Frosh Shane Watson...  if he stays under control, this kid could lead a very young Rhodes team to SCAC championship contention, if not this year, certainly next year.  Only one senior plays, all the rest Frosh and Sophs, and Watson was very impressive.....
Thanks - Rhodes is retooling all the way around. Haven't been over to Mallory Gym to see them play yet but am anxious to see Watson and Rhodes' new coaching staff in action.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 24, 2010, 11:33:14 PM
A very young Millsaps team has started off the season 3-0 with home victories over Dillard University, Pensacola Christian, and the University of Dallas.  LV Sumler, the lone senior on the squad, has led the way with a double-double in each game.  The remainder of the roster shows 3 juniors, 7 sophomores, and 9 freshmen.  It's a guard oriented team with some big men who seem to have a lot of potential.  I believe they will be very competitive this season and strong contenders in the next couple of years.

While this is a very inexact science, I looked at the season records for the 3 Millsaps opponents.  Dillard is 4-3 and already had four games plus an exhibition with the U. of Kentucy under their belt prior to the Millsaps opening game.  I would consider that a good win.

Pensacola Christian were playing their 7th game of the season when Millsaps picked up their 2nd win by a 65-53 margin.  The next day Pensacola Christian missed a 3-pointer at the buzzer in a 74-71 loss to MS College, a team that is picked to finish 2nd in the ASC East.

The U. of Dallas fell to 1-3 with the loss to Millsaps.  Their one win was a 74-72 victory over Southwestern to open the season.  

All in all, I would say that Millsaps has played a fairly decent schedule so going 3-0 while playing a lot of freshmen is a good sign.  How far this team can go this season is going to come down to how well they play as a team and how fast the younger players develop.  It should be an interesting season to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 26, 2010, 06:32:59 PM
A 2-2 start for Austin College, and I have to say, the squad looks better at this point than I anticipated. I knew they had some talented kids coming back and entering expanded roles, but the frosh are much, much better than I thought they would be.

Of course, tonight they have an incredibly tough task: a matchup with UMHB, which has been to the NCAA's 3 of the last 4 seasons. A difficult game for the 'Roos. We shall see what happens for this young and relatively inexperienced team.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 28, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Watching a young Rhodes team this afternoon playing Rust College. Rust is up 38-37 at the half. This will likely be a long season for Rhodes as they work various combinations of freshmen & sophomores to see what sticks. There are some talented young ones including 2nd year player, Andrew L
Galow. Freshman, Shane Watson looks to be a tremendous athlete though he's struggling today. Another freshman, John Dunavant has scored 10, including a pair of 3's.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 28, 2010, 10:06:38 PM
Rhodes pulled out an overtime win today over Rust  78-73. Andrew Galow produced some big plays and key free throws down the stretch for the Lynx. Several Rhodes guys stepped up the defensive pressure when things got tight. Entertaining 2nd half to watch. This will be a rebuilding year to be certain for Rhodes, but it should be fun to track this team's growth as the season progresses.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 03, 2010, 08:01:01 PM
Preparing to watch the video of Centre-Rhodes momentarily. Curious to see if Centre will bounce back from its only loss against Transy. Rhodes is young & one would expect the Colonels to win this one @ home.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 03, 2010, 08:43:28 PM
Rhodes is outhustling Centre as it leads 32-27 at the half. Andrew Galow has dropped in 14 on the Colonels. Dee Smith has sparked Centre with 5 off the bench. The Lynx are beating Centre down the floor on their successful offensive possessions.  Colonels are missing open shots including mid-range jumpers and garbage around the hoop. Suspect Coach Mason is reminding his team of this during the break. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 03, 2010, 08:52:22 PM
A balanced BSU team leads DePauw at the break in Greencastle 31-21.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 03, 2010, 10:00:26 PM
DePauw loses tonite at home by 8. Centre held off a scrappy bunch from Rhodes 63-60. The game was close the entire way with the Lynx leading the majority of the way until the early stages of the 2nd half. Greg Ross had 14; Colin Lopez gunned in 13 including 4 3-balls. Alex Lloyd finished with a double-double. Andrew Galow had a fabulous game for Rhodes dropping in 29. Galow is becoming one of the SCAC's stars and showed the Colonel faithful tonight that he's got a lot of game as he nearly catapulted his squad to an upset road win.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 05, 2010, 02:46:30 PM
Colonels lead at halftime 28-21  Centre got strong play in the 1st half from Greg Ross who leads with 14 points and 4 rebounds. Centre is holding BSU to 26% shooting while losing the rebounding battle by 2 right now. Centre needs to continue to exploit its inside presence and stay away from forced turnovers in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 05, 2010, 03:48:50 PM
Colonels played a much stronger game today than Friday in defeating BSU 62-45. Consistent play all the way around. It was good seeing Jeff Mullaney come around with 10 points. Greg Ross played his 6th man role to the hilt leading the team with 17 points and sharing high boards honors with Alex Lloyd getting 9.  Centre shot better than 40% and held Birmingham Southern to 26%. In the end the Colonels won the rebounding war with a 34-30 advantage.  Centre gets a good start in conference this weekend and stands 5-1 overall; 2-0 in SCAC play.
Today's loss for Birmingham Southern marks their 1st defeat in the early season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 24, 2010, 11:20:57 AM
Though it's still early in the season, here's an interesting statistic - Chris Goodman, the leading scorer for Hendrix has scored all of his field goals from behind the arc - 30 for 58.  Impressive percentage to be sure.  He's 0-7 inside the arc.  Guess he needs to stay behind the 3-point line on the offensive end of the floor!


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 29, 2010, 08:48:47 PM
After taking care of business in the opening round of their tournament Tuesday night with a 17-point victory over Allegheny (PA), the Colonels played gracious hosts tonight in losing 65-61 to a strong Hanover team. Hanover jumped to a 15-point halftime lead & never really looked back. Centre chieseled away at the deficit but could never get over the hump. Mike Case led Hanover with 16 points & 11 rebounds. Centre had 3 score in double figures led by Jeff Mullaney with 18. Alex Lloyd tallied 15 with 11 boards; Greg Ross contributed 10 points & 9 rebounds. Colonels head into the bulk of SCAC play at 7-2. Next up is DePauw.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ououou on January 01, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
Oglethorpe wins on  the road by 11 at Rhodes. Hopefully a tough non conference schedule will help them during the coming weeks. Doubles doubles by Todd Ward  13 and 13 and Alex Richey 15 and 11.
Schedule gets tougher on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2011, 04:53:42 PM
Centre continues its dominance of DePauw by winning on the road this afternoon 62-54. Centre played stellar defense holding the Tigers to 17 points in the 1st half on 20% shooting which enabled the Colonels to open up  14-point halftime lead. Centre shot the ball well and made a high % of their free throws to salt the game away down the stretch. A lot of turnovers was the only negative for Centre. Donavan Whiteside picked up 16 to help the Colonels trek
out to a 3-0 conference start.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 02, 2011, 05:28:39 PM
Trinity was absolutely unconscious in the first half against Austin College. The Tigers shot 75% from the field and knocked down 8-of-10 threes to take a 56-44 lead at halftime. They just could not miss.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
Trinity is going to be a team to reckon with and my pick to win the West. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on January 04, 2011, 12:25:27 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
Trinity is going to be a team to reckon with and my pick to win the West. 

Colorado has looked pretty good thus far.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on January 04, 2011, 09:39:55 PM
Link to YouTube video of half-court buzzer beater from Sewanee's win over Rhoades on Sunday:
http://bit.ly/hpD6Od

Final was 63-60.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2011, 09:02:34 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on January 04, 2011, 09:39:55 PM
Link to YouTube video of half-court buzzer beater from Sewanee's win over Rhoades on Sunday:
http://bit.ly/hpD6Od

Final was 63-60.

I think that the final was 65-63.   ;)



And, he just barely got it off before the buzzer!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on January 05, 2011, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2011, 09:02:34 AM
I think that the final was 65-63.   ;)


And, he just barely got it off before the buzzer!

Oops... my bad.   Amazing shot, tho'. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 07, 2011, 04:43:51 PM
Oglethorpe-DePauw Basketball Friday Games Postponed Following Tragic Death

SUWANEE, Ga. - After learning of the death of student body leader Erik Downes, Oglethorpe University has postponed tonight's previously scheduled basketball games against DePauw University. The games originally scheduled to be played at 6:00 and 8:00 p.m. tonight will now be played at noon (women's) and 2:00 p.m. (men's) tomorrow (Saturday, January 8).

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/depauw_oglethorpe_postponed (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/depauw_oglethorpe_postponed)

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 07, 2011, 10:54:42 PM
Prayers go out to the entire Oglethorpe community on the tragic death of student, Erik Downes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 07, 2011, 10:57:37 PM
Centre wins its 2nd consecutive SCAC road game by defeating Sewanee tonight 65-51. This puts the Colonels 4-0 in SCAC on the young season and 9-2 overall.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 09, 2011, 02:40:04 PM
Quote from: tarheelfan on January 04, 2011, 12:25:27 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 02, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
Trinity is going to be a team to reckon with and my pick to win the West. 

Colorado has looked pretty good thus far.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 09, 2011, 04:35:41 PM
Meant to say Colorado College does look good.  They may win the west with their good senior leadership and POTY candidate Rose.  Still have this hunch about Trinity finishing strong enough to win the west.

Centre picked up their 1st conference loss on the road this afternoon at Oglethorpe 63-59.  Senior Todd Ward and Alex Ritchey led OU with 41 points collectively - Ward had 22 and Ritchey had 4 threes.  Greg Ross (18 pts; 10 rebounds) and the Colonels hung around & made it a game only because of strong offensive rebounding.  Colonels shot less than 35% and starting guards, Mullaney and Ellis were a combined 1 for 22; 0 for 16 on 3's.  Colin Lopez provided some spark off the bench for Centre in the 1st half with 14, including 4 3's.  Centre stayed in the game for the 1st 30 minutes and then for some reason hit the wall @ the 10 minute mark quickly relinquishing a 7-point lead, never to lead again.  Good win for the Petrels who were coming up a homecourt loss Saturday to DePauw.  Centre is 4-1; Stormy Petrels are 3-2.  BSU is also 4-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2011, 05:26:32 PM
I may have missed the announcement, but who will be Colorado College's travel partner next season?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 09, 2011, 07:09:24 PM
Millsaps makes two big comebacks to take a victory at Southwestern this afternoon.  They were down 19 at the half which became 21 early in the second half.  They came back to eventually send the game into overtime, then in the second OT they were outscored by a 9-0 margin before scoring the last 11 points of the game for the victory:

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2011/1/9/MBB_0109115638.aspx
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Post by: frank_ezelle on January 09, 2011, 07:26:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2011, 09:02:34 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on January 04, 2011, 09:39:55 PM
Link to YouTube video of half-court buzzer beater from Sewanee's win over Rhoades on Sunday:
http://bit.ly/hpD6Od

Final was 63-60.

I think that the final was 65-63.   ;)



And, he just barely got it off before the buzzer!

Watched this video today and actually the player got the shot off just after the buzzer--but close enough that it would be hard for an official to disallow the shot.  If you are watching the video, hit the pause button when the ball is being thrown in.  Then quickly double click on the play button, which will play the video a couple of tenths of a second and then pause it again.  Try it a few times and you'll hear the buzzer go off but the paused image will show the ball still in the player's hand.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 09, 2011, 07:53:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2011, 05:26:32 PM
I may have missed the announcement, but who will be Colorado College's travel partner next season?

Don't think you've missed it; I've messaged the SCAC to confirm what they're going to do, and will let you know if I hear anything.

I'm guessing CC could be paired with Hendrix and that allows the Texas teams to pair - Trinity & Southwestern, and Austin & U of Dallas to make up the west.
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Post by: scaccommish on January 09, 2011, 08:15:44 PM
Yes, travel partners in the West in 2011/12 will be:
Austin/Dallas
Colorado/Hendrix
Southwestern/Trinity

East will be:
Birmingham/Oglethorpe
Centre/Sewanee
Millsaps/Rhodes

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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 09, 2011, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 09, 2011, 07:09:24 PM
Millsaps makes two big comebacks to take a victory at Southwestern this afternoon.  They were down 19 at the half which became 21 early in the second half.  They came back to eventually send the game into overtime, then in the second OT they were outscored by a 9-0 margin before scoring the last 11 points of the game for the victory:

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2011/1/9/MBB_0109115638.aspx


Always a good win when on the SCAC road.
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Post by: ououou on January 10, 2011, 12:34:35 PM
Oglethorpe gets a split ending an emotional weekend.  Hard to get a win on the road on a Sunday.  Centres struggles at the end mirrored the Petrels finish last Sunday in Birmingham.  Up by 7 with time winding down and could not finish.
Four good teams on the eastern side.
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Post by: gordonmann on January 12, 2011, 02:04:07 PM
There's a cool story linked off the "What we're reading" section of the front page about Hendrix's very long drive back to Arkansas from San Antonio.

http://thecabin.net/sports/college/2011-01-11/hendrix-basketball-teams-stranded-bus-14-hours-i-30
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 14, 2011, 11:01:01 PM
Witnessed a hard-fought Centre win 68-56 in Danville over a scrappy Hendrix bunch. Greg Ross and Alex Lloyd led the way for the Colonels with 22 & 19 respectively. Lloyd also pulled down 12 rebounds.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 16, 2011, 11:32:35 AM
Should be a good contest between Colorado College & Birmingham Southern this afternoon. CC is off to a great conference start @ 6-0.  Birmingham Southern is nearly unblemished with a 5-1 record; their only defeat all season coming @ Centre.  If CC can win in Birmingham, their path for winning the west outright improves even more.  I do like the home team in this one by 6.

The Centre victory Friday night showed that the Colonels can be a very good basketball team when they play to their strength - their inside game. What impressed me most was the way Alex Lloyd played the 2nd half. He was assertive, wanted the ball, and defended hard.  Still wish he'd be less deliberate with his offensive moves given his size, but he was still very effective against Hendrix.  Lloyd's length & size can be a big plus for Centre when he's on his game.  Combine Lloyd's good play with the consistent hard-nosed efforts of Greg Ross & you've got some offensive firepower!  The challenge for Centre is to get Lloyd to bring it every night like his teammate, Ross. If these 2 continue in this manner, I think it will make things more effective for the perimeter guys as well where they'll garner more open looks. Perhaps it'll help PG Jeff Mullaney to find some truly decent shots closer to the hoop.

Colonels entertain a capable Millsaps bunch today who gained a strong come from behind road win at Southwestern last weekend. Centre cannot let its guard down in this one.


   
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Post by: FlightofthePetrel on January 17, 2011, 10:50:47 AM
Nice to see Oglethorpe put together 2 complete games back to back.  Impressive drubbing of a undermanned Southwestern team which saw the lead grow to as many as 39. 

They're right in the hunt of things to still be able to make a run at the east.  Big game against CC this weekend.  It's to their advantage that they play the Tigers first and then a seemingly weaker Hendrix team on the back end.  If the Petrels get the win I hope there is no letdown against the Warriors as it will make the win against Colorado a wash.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 18, 2011, 08:10:57 AM
Didn't get to see Centre's win over Millsaps Sunday, but if the stats don't lie, I would say the Colonels got a good inside/outside flow to their offensive game. Alex Lloyd put up his 2nd straight double-double; and both Jeff Mullaney & Bryon Ellis got decent shots from the perimeter. Will need this kind of blended offense when hitting Texas this coming weekend!
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2011, 08:49:29 PM
Colonels have a tough weekend with games Friday night at Southwestern and Saturday evening at Trinity.  The road is challenging enough and Centre really needs to get at least a split on this trip.  Southwestern has struggled to this point, but is a dangerous team on their homecourt tonight. 
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2011, 09:37:19 PM
Not a pretty performance but Centre has a 5-point advantage at the half at Georgetown 28-23.  Both team are defending and Alex Lloyd has spent much of the opening half saddled on the bench with 2 fouls.  Centre found a bit of range on the 3-ball after Lloyd retired to the bench.  Good balance in scoring with Ross contributing 7 so far. 
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2011, 10:50:48 PM
Birmingham Southern, Centre, Trinity and Hendrix will tonight.  Oglethorpe is playing well @ Colorado College leading early in the 2nd half 42-27.

Centre got balanced offense from its starters and decent shooting, particularly in the 2nd half to win 72-54.  Southwestern made the game close most of the way before Centre pulled away in the final couple of minutes.

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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2011, 11:19:31 PM
Colorado College erased the 16-point OU halftime lead at the 4 minute mark of the 2nd half.  Now they lead by 2 with 2:11 to play.

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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 22, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
Trinity is up 35-32 at the half on Centre. 
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 22, 2011, 10:43:12 PM
Greg Mason's Centre Colonels picked up another road win tonight in San Antonio - 73-61.  Centre played a stellar 2nd half with 5 players scoring in double figures. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 24, 2011, 10:58:05 PM
Wondering whether Centre will move up in the top 25 this week.  Realize that beyond the top 15, the pollsters seem to have a hard time identifying who should fill out 16-25.  Because of some losses among 16-25 last week, I expect to see Centre move from 24 to perhaps 22 or 21.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 28, 2011, 09:45:47 PM
Pretty easy time of it for the 17th ranked Colonels tonight as they defeated Austin 87-52. Greg Ross led the way with 18; Donavan Whiteside chipped in with 16. Much of the Centre squad played & contributed in the game.  Colonels will have a tough opponent in Colorado College coimg to town to play Sunday afternoon.  I expect Sunday's contest to be competitive from start to finish.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on January 29, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
Mike DeGeorge's Rhodes basketball team got a huge homecourt win tonight over Southwestern 71-63. This marks the team's 1st SCAC victory. Andrew Gallow led Rhodes in scoring, but the team had lots of other heroes on the court tonight. Josh Arant played his heart & soul out in registering 10 points and a ton of hustle plays.

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Post by: tarheelfan on January 30, 2011, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on January 29, 2011, 11:19:48 PM
Mike DeGeorge's Rhodes basketball team got a huge homecourt win tonight over Southwestern 71-63. This marks the team's 1st SCAC victory. Andrew Gallow led Rhodes in scoring, but the team had lots of other heroes on the court tonight. Josh Arant played his heart & soul out in registering 10 points and a ton of hustle plays.


I'm sure Rhodes is glad to get the first conference win out of the way.  Southwestern has been less than stellar this season and has given U of Dallas its only two wins of the year.  I'm not sure Rhodes will ever get out of the SCAC cellar.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2011, 09:44:18 PM
A good one in Atlanta tonight. Todd Ward made 2 free throws to tie it in regulation & send the game to OT - Oglethorpe 71 Rhodes 71!

Johnny Dunavant has led Rhodes with 23 points & 7-8 from the 3-line. Joe Kennedy has 24 for OU.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2011, 09:58:25 PM
Oglethorpe hangs on @ home to beat Rhodes in OT 79-78.  The Lynx shot lights out 27-52 and 15-30 on the 3-ball. Oglethorpe was stout as well hitting 51% and 13-30 from past the arc. A few key missed free throws hurt Rhodes while Todd Ward hit 2 big ones @ crunchtime tonight.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2011, 11:10:11 PM
Yet another good one tonight being played in Conway AR. Southwestern & Hendrix are tied 85-85 after a 1st overtime.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 05, 2011, 11:52:09 AM
A big game on the Eastern side of the ledger this afternoon between DePauw & Centre. If the Tigers can beat Centre, it will tighten the standings considerably with both DePauw & Oglethorpe getting within 1 game of Centre, and 2 games behind Birmingham Southern who still officially can't compete for the league championship this season.

The Colonels have gotten the better of DePauw in recent seasons but i expect this one today be one worth watching. Officially, excluding a potential post-season match-up, this likely is the final game in this rivalry with the Tigers moving on to the North Coast Athletic Conference.  Coach Bill Fenlon would like to close out this series on a high note for DePauw. Centre is playing consistently solid ball right now but this may represent a trap game for them. 2 of the Colonels' 3 losses this year have occurred on the homecourt.  I'll be surprised if DePauw doesn't compete at a high level in this one, and won't be shocked if they defeat Centre.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 05, 2011, 04:48:03 PM
Think I called this one pretty accurately as DePauw comes into Centre's house and wins 65-63.  Bill Fenlon's team played under control and didn't commit any critical turnovers when the game was on the line.  Good overall shooting and clutch free throws in the final minute enabled DePauw to register a big road win.  Centre could not hit the 3-ball today going 2-16.  Very fine effort from the DePauw Tigers as they make things more interesting in the East with today's win.  DePauw picks up a game on the frontrunners & stands at 9-3 in the conference; 14-7 overall.  Centre drops to 15-4  and 10-2 in the conference.  Both teams will be home next weekend for the Sewanee and Oglethorpe games.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 11, 2011, 09:42:35 PM
Best game of the night so far was in Greencastle where DePauw won a nip & tuck affair over Oglethorpe 74-70 behind Sean Haseley's 25 points and 5-6 shooting from beyond the arc.  Todd Ward put up 29 in a losing effort.

Centre won easily over Sewanee 70-35.  Balanced scoring - Jeff Mullaney tallied 14 and Byron Ellis hit 4 3's for 12.

Trinity is up 8 at the half in San Antonio.  No score from Georgetown yet on the Southwestern-Austin tilt.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 11, 2011, 10:10:01 PM
Trinity still up on Colorado College 47-39 with 9 minutes to play.  The surprise in this one is the SCAC's leader scorer, Nick Rose has been held to 1 point.  Of course he's saddled with 4 fouls.  Luke Caldarera leads TU with 10.

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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2011, 09:43:58 AM
Alex Lloyd last night set the career blocks record for Centre College with his 135th block breaking the record of 134 held by Rob King. Congratulations to Alex as he has several more games in his senior campaign to build on his record.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2011, 06:57:03 PM
A very impressive opening half of basketball for Rhodes against Birmingham Southern as they lead 33-17. The Lynx have played superior defense and have outhustled the Panthers. I expect Birmingham Southern to come out playing better in the 2nd half. 
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 12, 2011, 06:57:03 PM
A very impressive opening half of basketball for Rhodes against Birmingham Southern as they lead 33-17. The Lynx have played superior defense and have outhustled the Panthers. I expect Birmingham Southern to come out playing better in the 2nd half. 


Rhodes pulled off a nice upset tonight defeating Birmingham Southern 61-50.  The Panthers erased half of Rhodes' lead in the 1st three minutes of the 2nd half.  Rhodes, however, hung tough never relinquishing the lead.  The Lynx actually struggled to score much of the 2nd half, but played outstanding hustling defense which neutralized the Panthers' offensive firepower.  BSU didn't shoot the ball well hitting only 33%, and their usually reliable effort from the 3-point line was almost non-existent in this one.  Andrew Galow led the way with 21 points.  Both Johnny Dunavant and Kory Kilpatrick contributed double-figure scoring nights as well.  This win puts Rhodes back in the conference tournament picture.  If Rhodes plays like this next weekend, they could possibly pick up one or two more victories that would surely punch their ticket for the tournament.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 13, 2011, 04:45:07 PM
Centre Colonels win their final home game of the season 67-52 today over Oglethorpe.  Kind of a quiet affair except for it being Alex Lloyd's last game in front of the hometown crowd.  He didn't disappoint as he produced a 16 rebound performance.  Greg Ross reliably poured in 17 points followed by Bryon Ellis' 14 and Collin Lopez's 13.  Joe Kennedy led Oglethorpe with 15. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:31:36 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2011, 11:46:30 PM
Good defensive game @ Mallory Gym tonight with Centre prevailing 59-51. Greg Ross led the Colonels with 22; Alex Lloyd pulled down 14 rebounds with 12 points. Andrew Galow scored 18 for the Lynx.  The game was one of runs; fortunately for Centre their defense shut down Rhodes in the final 5 minutes of each half, and that was the formula for a good road win.  Jeff Mullaney played tremendous 2nd half defense on Galow which was probably the difference. Centre by virtue of this win & DePauw's loss @ Birmingham Southern clinches #1 seed in next week's tournament.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2011, 08:43:45 PM
Rhodes punched its ticket for the #4 seed as Oglethorpe beats Sewanee tonight 74-67.  Sewanee rained 15 3-pointers to keep it close, but it wasn't good enough.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 12:06:21 AM
James Hill who is part of the webcast production at Millsaps put together a nice 1 minute promotional video for the upcoming SCAC Tournament at Millsaps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rle_IQ1vhV4
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 09:58:19 AM
Coming into this last day of SCAC regular season action, Hendrix and Millsaps are still trying to secure that 4th seed in the West.  Here's the situation as I see it and please correct this if I have it wrong:

---Hendrix, Millsaps and Southwestern all have 4 wins and Southwestern has completed their regular season.  If Millsaps and Hendrix both lose today, there will be a 3-way tie and Millsaps would win the tiebreaker and the 4th seed (Millsaps was 2-0 vs SW, 1-1 vs Hendrix, and Hendrix and SW split).

---If Hendrix and Millsaps both win today, then we look at the tiebreaker between those two teams.  I believe Hendrix would win the tiebreaker due to their win over Austin. 

---Obviously if Millsaps or Hendrix wins and the other loses, then the winning team would be sitting all alone in 4th place.

SO, it looks like Hendrix is the team that controls their own fate.  Win and they are in, lose and they are out.  The result of the Millsaps game has no bearing on who will be the 4th seed from the SCAC West. 

As a Millsaps fan, I hope the Austin 'Roos are fired up and looking to get this victory that will pull their record up to the .500 level in both the SCAC and the regular season.  In my mind, that is something to play for as well as getting on the right track prior to the SCAC Tournament.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 05:25:05 PM
Hendrix was down by 11 with about 10 to play.  They are now up by 1 with 3:40 to play.  It looks like Austin is a little rattled.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2011, 05:27:31 PM
Hendrix is ahead late at Austin in their effort to grab the last seed. 

Birmingham Southern used a nice opening half to beat Centre at home today 67-63. They led the Colonels at the
break 38-23. Colonels shot the ball effectively in the final frame, but dug themselves too large a hole to pull things out.

DePauw used a great 2nd half defensive effort and some timely 3-pointers to erase a half-time deficit to Rhodes and win by four.  Impressive defensive game by both teams. DePauw is a veteran team with some nice balance. They look poised to make some noise in the tournament, especially if they shoot the ball well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 05:30:25 PM
59-59 at Austin with 1:40 to go.  I'll keep a running score going here.

Austin fouled, send Hendrix to line, then picks up T.  

Hendrix picks up both points on the T, leads 61-59 with 1-and-1 coming up.  Still 1:40 to play.

1:08 to play, Hendrix up 62-59 with the ball and about 33 seconds on the shot clock.  

What looks like a very close block-charge plays goes in Austin's favor.  62-61 with a free throw coming.  38 seconds to play.

Free throw made.  62-62.  Hendrix ball with about 35 seconds to play and 32 on the shot clock.  Hendrix is in the double bonus, Austin still in the one and one.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 05:44:37 PM
New message:  Both teams got off terrible shots and missed.  Hendrix trying to use all of the shot clock and then getting a wild fling at the basket, Austin with only about 3 seconds to shoot and not handling the in bound pass very well.

Going to OT with the score 62-62.  Hendrix wins and they go to the SCAC Tournament.  Hendrix loses and Millsaps goes (at least I'm 95% certain that's the situation).

Hendrix scores first 64-62, then steals ball.
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2011, 05:46:06 PM
Agreed Frank. Millsaps still has life!  Austin's post player looked like he ran over the defender. Hendrix up 2 for the moment.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 05:50:10 PM
2:14 to play Hendrix up 68-66 and with the ball.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on February 20, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
Good thing for AC Jordan Hancock is there ... all of the 'Roos points in OT so far. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 05:54:32 PM
Game tied 68-68.  Austin has the ball.  Looks like 2.78 seconds left.  I don't think it is 27.8.  

Austin botches inbounds play.  Going to a 2nd OT.

With the pressure totally on Hendrix, they are responding better.  Lead in the 2nd OT by 72-68 with 2:09 to play.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 06:04:02 PM
1:37 to play.  Time out.  HC up 72-70 and they have the ball with a full shot clock.  Both teams are in the double bonus.  

7.14 to play.  Hendrix has ball and 2 point lead.  Austin just took a rushed 3-pointer that was an air ball that went out of bounds.

6.05 to play.  Hendrix made 1 of 2 ft and lead by 3.  Austin will have to go the length of the court and hit a 3.  Or will Hendrix foul them first?

3.77 to play.  Hendrix did foul.  First ft good so it's now 2 point lead with one more ft to come.  In a timeout at the moment.  Have to intentionally try to miss, don't you?
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2011, 06:09:39 PM
Pretty long afternoon to fill out the brackett!
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Post by: Ron Boerger on February 20, 2011, 06:11:19 PM
Hancock now with all 11 of AC's OT/OT2 points, will no doubt try to bounce one off the back iron here.

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Post by: jekelish on February 20, 2011, 06:12:49 PM
AC is down 75-73, Hancock at the line for one more. The question is, do they miss intentionally since there's 3.77 on the clock and they have no more timeouts?

EDIT: That's exactly what they tried, but Hancock accidentally made the second. 75-74, 3.77 remaining, both teams are out of timeouts.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 06:13:21 PM
made the ft--3.77 seconds to go--hendrix to inbound with a 1 point lead
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 06:16:22 PM
Hendrix ended up winning by 2, Austin missed a difficult but possible 3-pointer at the end.  Have to give credit where credit is due.  Hendrix played great in winning their way into the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2011, 06:25:16 PM
The SCAC tournament actually gets played this year at sort of a neutral site with Millsaps losing out based on Hendirx's 2 OT win at Austin. 

Will be curious to see what SCAC fans and posters think of the brackets and what team is peaking at the right time. 

Hope that Frank will still be taking pictures at the tournament even with no skin in the events.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 20, 2011, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 20, 2011, 06:12:49 PM
AC is down 75-73, Hancock at the line for one more. The question is, do they miss intentionally since there's 3.77 on the clock and they have no more timeouts?

EDIT: That's exactly what they tried, but Hancock accidentally made the second. 75-74, 3.77 remaining, both teams are out of timeouts.
Probably didn't want to mess with his % -he was perfect @ the line!  Seriously, it's actually hard for good foul shooters to miss when they try to do it. Tremendously entertaining game to wrap up the regular season for SCAC followers.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 06:51:22 PM
Actually, I've retired from that photo project and haven't taken any photos at Millsaps this year.  When all the steps of that project were added together, it turned out to be somewhere between 800-1,000 hours of volunteer work each year.  Trying to do that in my spare time, along with other photo projects for friends, family and my own interests, just became too much.  

I miss taking the photos, but after 5 years I was totally burned out physically and mentally.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on February 20, 2011, 06:54:31 PM
I think it is easier for a good ft shooter to miss when asked.  Better able to put the ball where they want.
Congrats to the Warriors on the clinching the 4th seed in the West.  Never know how many conference wins it will take to get that last spot. Last year it took 8, this season 5.  I think Hendrix has a chance to surprise in the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2011, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 20, 2011, 06:51:22 PM
Actually, I've retired from that photo project and haven't taken any photos at Millsaps this year.  When all the steps of that project were added together, it turned out to be somewhere between 800-1,000 hours of volunteer work each year.  Trying to do that in my spare time, along with other photo projects for friends, family and my own interests, just became too much.  

I miss taking the photos, but after 5 years I was totally burned out physically and mentally.  

I'm glad you're still a fan and poster, Frank -- I remember at the time being afraid we were going to lose you here.
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Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2011, 03:45:10 AM
Thanks, Pat.  I haven't posted as much as in the past, mostly because I hardly go to any Millsaps sporting events.  I went to some basketball games and may go to a few baseball games, but have mostly followed the Majors via the internet this year. 

Like an alcoholic hanging around a bar, being at the school and especially being around the student-athletes would eventually draw me back into taking the photographs.  The need for the photos still exists, the desire to take the photos still exists, but the task is too big for one person and I seem to have an inability to only do the job halfway. 

Hopefully there are parents in each sport who are now taking photos and sharing them with all the athletes on that particular team.  With so many people now having good digital equipment, that's a better plan for the future rather than hoping to find one person who is willing to do it all. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hendrix2009 on February 21, 2011, 08:40:17 AM
I noticed that the tournament games on Saturday will be able to be seen via live broadcast from Millsaps.  I can't find a video link for Friday's games that are being played at Belhaven.  Am I just missing it?  Anyone know if there will be a live feed or not?  We can't make it to the tournament but was hoping to watch it on the internet. 
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Post by: pbrooks3 on February 21, 2011, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: Hendrix2009 on February 21, 2011, 08:40:17 AM
I noticed that the tournament games on Saturday will be able to be seen via live broadcast from Millsaps.  I can't find a video link for Friday's games that are being played at Belhaven.  Am I just missing it?  Anyone know if there will be a live feed or not?  We can't make it to the tournament but was hoping to watch it on the internet. 
Not sure about this. Bellhaven's gym is smaller, more intimate than the Hangar Dome.  If I recall the lighting is not great.  I'll try to check on this.

It's been good to have Frank posting. One thing he mentioned that's been especially nice this season is the more common use of video at many SCAC venues. I've been able to see lots more basketball because of the increased usage of video. Kudos to the schools of the SCAC for making this possible. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hendrix2009 on February 22, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
I received an email from the SCAC Commissioner.  He stated the following: "we will not have live video at Belhaven - the wireless feed we had at Belhaven last year would not support a live video stream. We will, however, have live audio of all games at Belhaven on Friday. Those links will be on the championships website, as well as the SCAC website. We are working on providing live stats for all games as well."

I've been very spoiled as well being able to watch many games via the live feed.  We can't attend all of my son's games so rely a lot on the live video.  Though disappointed we can't attend the game on Friday and won't be able to see it via a live feed and I thankful for the live audio. 

I would like to wish all of the teams good luck and safe travel to Millsaps.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
So does anyone wanna hazard a guess as to the All-SCAC team, POTY, COTY, Newcomer of the Year, etc?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 23, 2011, 12:02:05 AM
Quote from: jekelish on February 22, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
So does anyone wanna hazard a guess as to the All-SCAC team, POTY, COTY, Newcomer of the Year, etc?
I'll weigh in:

1st team
Rose, Colorado Col
Ward, Oglethorpe
Caldarera, Trinity
Galow, Rhodes
Ross, Centre

POTY - Rose, Colorado Col

Newcomer - Hancock, Austin

COTY - Cunningham, Trinity; though I think Fenlon, DePauw is a close 2nd


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 23, 2011, 10:01:12 AM
CoTY is going to be tough - most everyone did what was predicted in the pre-season poll.

And for anyone who hasn't heard, Caltech broke a 300+ game conference losing streak last night.  They hadn't won a conference game since 1985!  This year's 5-20 record was the program's best in 20 years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:55:18 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2011, 05:52:31 PM
The SCAC has put together a nice package for the tourney this weekend, see the site at http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/11tournament_preview .

One question, and maybe Frank can answer:  what does the logo signify?  At first I thought it was the cluster of a major in the armed services, but they're gold; the tournament logo looks more like a lt. colonel's. 

On another note, an odd selection for PoTW - someone who averaged 14.7ppg (11ppg in two SCAC contests) and 3.7 rpg (2.5rpg in SCAC contests).   Decent stats but not what you normally see from a conference player-of-the-week. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US-O5_insignia.svg

Logo  -- the silver 7-sided oak leaf is O-5 (Lieutenant Colonel in US Army, USAF, USMC and Commander US Navy)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2011, 06:31:05 PM
So I know it looks like a LTC logo, Ralph (see my post); the question is WHY?  Are the Millsaps Majors finally getting a promotion??
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2011, 09:49:01 PM
Think this tournament is up for grabs.  There is no one true dominating team and the opening round will be telling.  On any given day, any one of these teams can win.  Who is  looking the best?  Momentum-wise, Trinity is looking strong.  Hendrix has a decent vibe going having sweaked in on an exciting 50-minute contest over Austin.  DePauw may appear off the radar but I think they may be a squad ready to win 3 straight.  I'm less clear on Austin and Colorado College, but my sense is CC played its best basketball in the 1st half the season.  Oglethorpe is packed with experienced players; if they shoot it well, they could run the table.  Centre has to always be considered because of the way they play defense and manage their offensive possessions.  Centre and Hendrix have some similarities with one another, and this might be the most competitive 1st round match-up of the 4.  Looking forward to tomorrow in Jackson.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2011, 10:10:44 AM
Agree with you there, pbrooks3.   Should be a fun tourney to watch.

I am disappointed that we won't have live stats.  Hard to watch from work or away from home.  Hopefully the good folks at the SCAC home office will update the scoreboard frequently during the tourney.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2011, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2011, 06:31:05 PM
So I know it looks like a LTC logo, Ralph (see my post); the question is WHY?  Are the Millsaps Majors finally getting a promotion??
Duhhhhh.

Sorry about that.  I completely mis-interpreted the post.

One might suspect that the graphic artist does not know the difference and liked the color scheme that silver offered as opposed to gold.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2011, 01:53:46 AM
Not a lot of high grade basketball played today, but some close games for the most part. Saw bits of all games except DePauw's win over Austin which was only a 5-point game. Trinity played a dominant 1st half against Rhodes & looks like a a team to be reckoned with going forward. Both Oglethorpe and Centre received strong challenges before prevailing in the end. Centre got a record-setting performance from Greg Ross who scored 38 of his team's 54 points tonight. For good measure he pulled down 11 rebounds.

We're looking at 3 East squads and 1 West team tomorrow. DePauw will play Trinity and then Oglethorpe will take on Centre. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2011, 07:59:42 PM
DePauw wins a nailbiter over Trinity 58-56. Ryan Seiver nailed 2 free throws in the final 30 seconds, and then Trinity got off 1 shot that missed. The game ended after about a 4-second scrum on the floor with each team scrambling to grab the basketball. 3-pointers were a large part of DePauw's arsenal against Trinity's length & zone defense.  Fun basketball game from a spectator's watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2011, 02:29:50 AM
Better level of basketball played today. Centre got the greater measure of Oglethorpe with a high intensity win 70-57. Bryon Ellis dropped in 28 points with a run of 8-10 on threes. Both teams played with high energy throughout. Oglethorpe's seniors, Ward, Ritchie and Kennedy played with tremendous passion in a losing effort.  Sunday matches Eastern Division rivals in the finals for the last time - DePauw versus Centre.  Should be a great one for SCAC fans to take in.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2011, 04:14:37 PM
Best defensive half of basketball I've seen of Centre basketball this year as the Colonels lead 34-18 at the break. Ross leads with 11; Lloyd has 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2011, 11:58:33 PM
Have returned home from the SCAC tournament. Tim Wise, his Millsaps staff and the SCAC office are to be commended for another fine tournament, and some gorgeous weather to enjoy between games. Must also applaud the improvements made to the venue @ Bellhaven which hosted 1st round games for the men. In an earlier post I believe I'd remarked the Bellhaven gym lighting was lacking. Must retract that after this year's games.

Once we got through the opening round of games I witnessed some tremendous basketball in the Hangar Dome @ Millsaps. Certainly was pleased as well to see Centre triumph for a 3rd consecutive year in this event and further gain its 5th NCAA III bid in a row. The final 2 games against Oglethorpe and DePauw were the best basketball I've seen Centre play this season.

I was further impressed with what I saw out of each team this weekend, but especially Oglethorpe and DePauw. Oglethorpe gave Centre everything it could possibly want in the first 35-36 minutes Saturday. And even though DePauw did not play its best basketball against Centre in the 1st half of Sunday's final, the team demonstrated character and grit to almost completely erase Centre's 16-point halftime advantage.

Now it's way & see what the D3 selection committee has in store for the Colonels when they announce brackets tomorrow afternoon @ noon CT.  Congratulations Centre and good luck as you move on representing the SCAC.  
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 28, 2011, 09:52:01 PM
While some Centre partisans may be disappointed in our D3 draw in the tournament, I'm actually ok with it.  I think the committee overall was pretty balanced in its layout of the teams, and I've no qualms about being matched up with the host school @ Marietta. Sure it would have been nice to have been seeded higher but I knew the SCAC was lacking cred across the country and Centre's regional ranking wasn't helping.  The way I see it is every game gets tougher when you go dancing. It doesn't do any good to stew about it.  I think the Marietta pod is balanced & honestly I don't see an absolutely dominant team among the 4.  Given that Marietta plays in the OAC, I expect Centre will get a physical game Friday night from the Pioneers. Go Colonels!
 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 04, 2011, 03:00:38 PM
Good luck to Centre this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2011, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 04, 2011, 03:00:38 PM
Good luck to Centre this weekend!
Thanks Ron.  Centre didn't string 2 decent halves together last night in succumbing to Marietta. If they had, the outcome might have been different. Got to hand it to the Pioneers - they played hard, smart and defended nicely.  They've got complementary pieces and a deep bench. No one on the team is afraid to go aggressively towards the goal. They hung tough again tonight and scored late to take out Wittenberg & advance to the sweet 16.

No sour apples about Centre's game & season.  They made a solid effort at a 2nd half comeback on Marietta but just didn't have the juice to complete the task. Hated to see the technicals on Ross and Mullaney, but they didn't affect the outcome except for 2 made free throws. Of course Ross' tech fouled him out but the killer was the 4th foul that led up to the disqualifying T.  Another great season for Centre and single senior Alex Lloyd finished his career on a 10 rebound performance and the record as the Colonels' all-time blocks leader.  Way to go Alex!


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ououou on March 06, 2011, 02:19:33 PM
congrats to centre on a great season. best team in our league. classy kids, parents and coaches.
enjoyed all of it the past four years. best of luck for continued success.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 08, 2011, 08:47:09 PM
Quote from: ououou on March 06, 2011, 02:19:33 PM
congrats to centre on a great season. best team in our league. classy kids, parents and coaches.
enjoyed all of it the past four years. best of luck for continued success.
Going to miss the OU seniors - Kennedy, Richey and Ward. They were fun to watch. Believe Coach Ponder has similar sentiments.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on March 10, 2011, 12:14:34 PM
Brown's 61-Foot Buzzer Beater Chosen as SCAC Men's Basketball Top Moment

SUWANEE, Ga. - As one of the few Division III conferences that conducted its championship game on Sunday afternoon, the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference, to some degree, held center stage on February 26 as the Centre College and DePauw University men awaited tip-off of their 2006 conference title match-up. By the end of the evening, courtesy of one amazing and unbelievable game-ending shot (and several video replays by the four-letter network), the SCAC would hold center stage all over the basketball world.

To view the complete release, click here:
http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/anniversary20/mbkb_top_moment (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/anniversary20/mbkb_top_moment)

To view the complete list of SCAC Men's Basketball Top Moments, click here:
http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/anniversary20/top20_mbkb (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/anniversary20/top20_mbkb)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 06, 2011, 04:56:31 PM
Maybe someone will read this before next season  :D

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/4-6-2011_mbkb_cunningham_award

Trinity's Men's Basketball Coach Cunningham Named Guardian of the Game


San Antonio -- Trinity University Tigers head men's basketball Coach Pat Cunningham has been named a Guardian of the Game by the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC).

According to the NABC Web site: "The Guardians Awards recognize NABC coaches who exemplify one of the four Guardians of the Game core values: Advocacy, Leadership, Service and Education."

The recipients were honored last Sunday at the NCAA Men's Final Four in Houston.

Coach Cunningham received the Advocacy Award, which recognizes leadership and guidance on issues affecting the basketball community.

Recently completing his 12th season at the Trinity helm, Coach Cunningham is very active in the basketball community. He has served for four years on the NCAA Division III Men's Basketball Championship Committee, and is chair of the NABC committee which selects the outstanding service awards.

Coach Cunningham  was instrumental in helping to start the NABC Division III All-Star Game, part of the DIII Basketball Championship weekend.

In addition, Coach Cunningham is Trinity's NCAA compliance officer.

On the court, Coach Cunningham is the winningest men's basketball coach in Trinity history. His teams have amassed a record of 233-97 (.706) over 12 seasons.

Coach Cunningham has guided the Tigers to four Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference (SCAC) Championships, and six NCAA Division III postseason appearances, including 2009.

The Tigers advanced to the NCAA Elite Eight in 2005. Trinity completed that season with a school-record 25 victories. Coach Cunningham's teams have produced six 20-win seasons.

Respected by his peers, Coach Cunningham was elected the SCAC Men's Basketball Coach of the Year on four occasions, in 2000, 2004, 2006 and 2009.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2011, 10:31:50 PM
Yeah, an ASC fan! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 08, 2011, 06:33:13 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Trinity Tiger BB Class of 2015)

Check the Tiger BB Blog for the 5 new players to start this fall (2011). WOW!
Even a transfer red-shirt from Arizona State.

                                                                      :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 28, 2011, 05:02:19 PM
Centenary to the SCAC.  They should be a full member by August 2014.  If the SCAC can find a 7th, then they maintain the AQ.

http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/09/centenary-moves-to-scac
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 15, 2011, 08:50:57 PM
Senior Greg Ross is out of the gate fast tonight in scoring 20 first half points to give the Centre Colonels a 31-24 halftime lead on Maryville.  Ross is 9-10 from the field on mostly layouts and short jumpers.  He's a big-time D3 player for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 15, 2011, 09:39:08 PM
Centre prevails 70-50; Ross pours in 32 on 13-17 from the field & 6-6 @ the line.  Balanced scoring among the other starters and several reserves.  All of this without Donavan Whiteside playing because of injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 15, 2011, 09:53:35 PM
Maryville did not play very well and Greg Ross did.  As usual, Centre made few mistakes while the Scots were uncharacteristically flat.  Coach Lambert was not very happy on the postgame show.  He thinks Maryville is a good bit better than tonight, and Centre probably is too, with Whiteside out.  Good luck to the Colonels;  I hope the Scots see them again this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 18, 2011, 07:53:47 PM
Thrilling OT win for Centre over John Carroll 92-91 in the opening game of the Mount St. Joseph Tournament tonight. The Colonels' veteran trifecta of Ross, Mullaney and Ellis combined for 73 points in leading the team. Ross fouled out in the overtime after scoring 25 with 9 rebounds. Bryon Ellis picked up the slack by draining key 3's down the stretch and nailing 2 critical free throws in the final 7 seconds to expand the margin to 4. JCU dropped in a 3-ball before the buzzer to get within 1. Granted this was John Carroll's opening game and Centre's 2nd one, but still a nice early season win for Centre against a quality opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 25, 2011, 08:02:54 PM
Just caught the final 14 minutes of the opening round game @ Rhodes in the Thanksgiving Classic. Ohio Wesleyan won a tight one over Wash U 70-67. Think the better team triumphed but I was impressed with the Bears' scrappiness and willingness to battle on the offensive boards. The Battling Bishops have decent size and ought to compete well in the North Coast. Rhodes takes on Principia in the nightcap. Expect it'll be the Lynx and the Battling Bishops tomorrow in the winner's round.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 27, 2011, 12:49:23 AM
Attended the Ohio Wesleyan Rhodes game.  Neither team dominated.  Rhodes played the opening 12 minutes poorly.  They proceeded to dominate the next 20+  minutes, taking as much as a 10 point lead.  Unfortunate for Rhodes, they couldn't maintain their consistency in the stretch and Andrew Gallow picked up a 4th foul at an inopportune time.  OWU finished off Rhodes  winning by 9 in the final two minutes.  Rhodes has got some decent depth and should be competitive in the SCAC this year.  While they continue to struggle with consistency, they are improving with each outing.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 02, 2011, 09:25:00 AM
SCAC play cranks up tonight!

Trinity & Hendrix
Southwestern & Colorado College
Centre & Millsaps
Sewanee & Rhodes

Anyone want to way in on his/her team?
Who do you like to lead the East and West this season?

I will be following the Colonels this weekend in hopes that they win some important road games @ Millsaps and Rhodes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 02, 2011, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 02, 2011, 09:25:00 AM
SCAC play cranks up tonight!

Trinity & Hendrix
Southwestern & Colorado College
Centre & Millsaps
Sewanee & Rhodes

Anyone want to way in on his/her team?
Who do you like to lead the East and West this season?

I will be following the Colonels this weekend in hopes that they win some important road games @ Millsaps and Rhodes.

I haven't seen enough to weigh in on anyone.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 03, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
Centre had a relatively easy time of it against Millsaps in Jackson Friday winning 65-50.  The Colonels spotted the Majors the first 7 points of the game before eventually tying it and taking the lead for good from there. Good balance among the Centre scorers with Millsaps keying on Ross by rotating a second defender to him each time he touched the ball in the offensive paint.  This is the 1st time I can recall not sweating out a tight battle in the Hanger Dome hanging on a ref's whistle to get a W against the Majors.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 04, 2011, 07:55:58 PM
Centre found the road today not to their liking as Rhodes defeated the Colonels with a strong defensive effort 72-58.  The Colonels got a bit 3-point shooting happy early and Rhodes did a wonderful job of taking Greg Ross out of his comfort zone leading by 4 at halftime.  Andrew Galow led the Lynx with 19.  Jeff Mullaney tried to re-ignite the Centre offense late in the 2nd half to no avail.  Centre had a stretch late in the 1st half and early in the 2nd half of about 10 minutes where they were absolutely futile against the Rhodes defense scoring one lone field goal during that stretch.  In essence it was a tough shooting day for Centre combined with superior Rhodes execution on both the offensive and defensive ends of the court that set the stage for a comfortable Lynx victory.  My hat's off to Rhodes on a big home win.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kyballr on December 21, 2011, 05:44:02 PM
Don Lane Classic @ Transylvania   5 pm

Hendrix trails BW at half

live stats
http://www.sidearmstats.com/transy/mbball/index.htm

live video
http://tupioneers.nmtvsports.com/main.php?eventId=21802
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 31, 2011, 12:47:19 AM
Must have been crazy in Danville tonight with Centre's 69-67 OT win over Cabrini.  Did not get to follow the game, but the write-ups I have seen indicate it was a classic D3 tilt.  It hopefully keeps Centre on a positive path as they begin hitting the thick of the SCAC schedule. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on January 06, 2012, 06:20:28 PM
Things start heating back up again this weekend.    Rhodes & Millsaps doing the swing through Atlanta and B'ham with Rhodes at Oglethorpe  & Millsaps at B-SC tonight (and vice versa on Sunday),  CC and Hendrix are in the D-FW Metroplex with CC at Austin & Hendrix at UDallas tonight.    Centre at Sewanee on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 06, 2012, 06:26:33 PM
This is the first time I've checked in here in a long time, sad to see it's gone so quiet. A side effect of the league falling apart, perhaps?

And we've got Colorado College at Austin College here tonight, I'll be happy to provide a few updates if anyone is interested. The game is also available via live stats (free) and live video (pay, through College TV Ticket).

Interested to see Ryan Milne, who I know I've seen in the past but can't really remember too well since I think I've only seen him play twice, though I know he's a good player.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on January 07, 2012, 03:45:04 PM
Scoreboard from last night (06Jan2012):
Rhodes 75 - Oglethorpe 55
B-SC 89 - Millsaps 62
Austin 75 - CC 66
UDallas 64 - Hendrix 56

Some notes from last night's games:
Rhodes goes 17/19 to shoot 90% in the 1st half of their game.

Jasen Jonus goes 7 for 9 from the field and 6 for 8 from behind the 3-pt line to lead B-SC in scoring.  That's 36 straight wins at home for B-SC.

Ransom Okpala scores 18 on 7/9 shooting from the field (4/6 3pt) to lead AC in their win over Colorado College.

UDallas has 3 players score in double figures (Assinesi, Wyatt, and Stephens) in their win over Hendrix.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on January 07, 2012, 10:06:23 PM
And we put five players in double figures as the Sewanee Tigers beat Centre 85-78 in action on the Mountain.

Game summary from sewaneetigers.com  - http://goo.gl/fkceC (http://goo.gl/fkceC)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 13, 2012, 11:56:00 PM
Centre drops 2nd in a row on the road to CC 61-58.  Colonels made a late run but it wasn't enough. Colonels are now 3-3 in conference play and need a win against Hendrix on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
Rhodes had a pathetic opening 20 and trails at home to Hendrix at the break 33-23.  Chris Goodman has 9 for the Warriors. Theo Hartwell leads Rhodes with 6.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2012, 10:18:55 PM
Andrew Gallow is picking up his teammates in the 2nd half as Rhodes has rallied to within 46-40 with 9 1/2 minutes left. He's got 15 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 20, 2012, 11:53:38 PM
Rhodes survived a scare tonight against Hendrix with a 60-56 OT victory. The Lynx got behind several times by 12-14 points in the 2nd half.  Andrew Gallow converted a run out layup near the end of regulation to knot things at 50-50. In the OT, both Gallow and senior, Cory Kilpatrick came up with clutch plays and free throws to salt this one away late. Rhodes played poorly most of the game and showed grit down the stretch tonight.  Hendrix's guards played solidly much of the game and gave Rhodes' defenders a challenge.  Lack of strength in the post and a thin bench hurt the Warriors when the game was on the line. Ugly game but exciting for the final 8-10 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 21, 2012, 12:04:12 AM
Coach Raleigh's Southwestern Pirates competed well tonight against Centre before losing steam late in the 2nd half in falling by a score of 64-49.  Colonels were led by Jeff Mullaney's 19 and Greg Ross' double-double -13 pts and 13 boards. Donavan Whiteside came off the bench to pitch in 9 pts for Centre. The Colonels next host Trinity for the final time in the SCAC this Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 27, 2012, 10:48:09 PM
Centre grinds out a good road win tonight at Austin 65-57. A solid 2nd half with some timely shooting from deep propelled the Colonels to victory. Centre forced 20 Kangaroo turnovers to offset a 39-23 deficit on the boards to outscore Austin by 11 in the 2nd half. Greg Ross recorded 18 points with 10 rebounds to lead a balanced attack. Centre moves on to play U of Dallas Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 27, 2012, 11:00:38 PM
You're absolutely right about the timely shooting for Centre. They didn't shoot great tonight, but they always seemed to answer any second half runs by AC with a big three, and AC proceeded to throw the ball away too many times and only made 5-of-11 free throws in the second half. Not a recipe for success against a good team like Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on January 29, 2012, 05:51:46 PM
Centre drops back to 3rd place in the SCAC Eastern Division with a 75-66 loss this afternoon at U of Dallas.  A 1-1 road trip pretty much defines Centre's season this year.  No details on today's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 01, 2012, 11:25:29 PM
I am hoping to see some excitement in the final weeks of the season with the Centre Colonels. It's been generally an inconsistent season with the team not having a major post presence to bolster their defense as in recent prior years.  Coach Mason has adjusted the style of play slightly to the team's makeup.   Another challenge has been dealing with an injury to one of last year's key performers, Donovan Whiteside.  Though Whiteside is now back and playing, he missed a good bit of the 1st half of the season. Others have stepped forward to make this team competitive game after game.  At the same time, several Eastern Division teams have improved, Sewanee and Rhodes particularly.  Birmingham Southern has pretty much run away from the others in the Eastern pack.  The Colonels have the distinction to date of having made the only dent on BSU's remarkable season so far with an earlier victory in Danville.  Centre also has a nice home win against another ranked team, Cabrini.  The kind of excitement I am referring to is upsets and surprises in the SCAC tournament. Birmingham Southern has got to be the prohibitive favorite to win the tournament on their home court after likely finishing atop of the Eastern Division during the regular season.  I know that Coach Mason will have his team humming by tournament time and hopefully the Colonels will again accord themselves well in the post-season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 04, 2012, 12:00:03 AM
Rhodes hangs another W 65-62 against Oglethorpe to go to 14-7 on the season.  Andrew Gallow scored 17.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 10, 2012, 09:55:42 PM
Looks to be a long night for Centre.  Men are getting drilled by 17 at the half against Birmingham Southern.  The Colonels simply don't have the defense or depth to chase the balanced Panther attack.  Might be a night for Centre's Greg Mason to play more of his bench and rest some of the regulars for Sunday's game at Oglethorpe.  Birmingham Southern is clearly at the head of the SCAC class this season, and they have the added good fortune to be hosting the league tournament in 2 weeks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 13, 2012, 11:22:53 PM
Centre earned a 1-1 split on this past weekend trip by defeating Oglethorpe on Sunday by 14. Donovan Whiteside led the Colonels with 20. The team stands at 15-7 overall and 9-5 in the SCAC. They will try to get 2 wins this weekend against Millsaps and Rhodes in Danville to put a wrap on the regular season and prepare for next week's tournament in Birmingham.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 17, 2012, 11:31:54 PM
HUGE game tomorrow night in Sherman. Trinity and AC both won tonight, meaning that tomorrow night's clash is for first place in the SCAC West. Trinity won by one point in San Antonio; meanwhile, the 'Roos have won five in a row after a brief skid midway through the year. Should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2012, 11:37:18 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 17, 2012, 11:31:54 PM
HUGE game tomorrow night in Sherman. Trinity and AC both won tonight, meaning that tomorrow night's clash is for first place in the SCAC West. Trinity won by one point in San Antonio; meanwhile, the 'Roos have won five in a row after a brief skid midway through the year. Should be a good one.
Not tons of drama as we wind the SCAC season down; good to have a meaningful game in North Texas tomorrow evening. Like Austin's chances.  Curious what happened on the mountain tonight between Rhodes and Sewanee?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 17, 2012, 11:47:04 PM
Centre started slowly tonight but quickly found their shooting touch midway through the first half in defeating Millsaps easily. Balanced scoring and good bench play made for a good night for the home folks.  Centre entertains Rhodes on Sunday in what could be the battle for 2nd place in the East.  I have not done the math to determine the tiebreaker should the two teams end the regular season with identical league records.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 18, 2012, 12:55:53 AM
Rhodes survived an OT tonight to beat Sewanee 61-60.  The Lynx are fighting to lock up #2 seed in the East.  Therefore, Sunday's game in Danville between Rhodes and Centre has significance.  If Rhodes wins, they take the prize.  A Centre victory spells tiebreaker for 2 teams with 11-5 league records. I believe the Colonels would get the #2 based on the 3rd tiebreaker - best record against upper tier Eastern divisional opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 19, 2012, 06:53:21 PM
It has been a long time since Rhodes has owned two regular season victories over Centre, but this is one of those times as the Lynx pull it off by winning impressively today in Danville 83-74.  Johnny Dunavant torched Centre for 23 points on 8-9 from the field and a perfect 6-6 from beyond the arc.  Andrew Galow was equal to the task as well with 16 points, 13 rebounds and 7 assists.  By virtue of their victory today, Rhodes has sewn up the #2 seed in the east with  a 12-4 conference record.  Centre's conference record drops to 10-6 and #3 in the east.  Centre got balanced scoring from Whiteside, Mullaney and Ross, but the team never fully got out of its shooting funk and fell behind by as much as 20 in the second half. Rhodes' shooting was dead-on as they scored 13-24 from the 3 line while also shooting 53% overall from the field. 

Congratulations to all seniors playing their final regular season games around the SCAC this weekend.

Interesting Centre tidbit......though Centre has struggled at times this season, they can claim victories against two top 10 D3 teams - #6 Cabrini and #8 Birmingham Southern.  These are currently the only blemishes on each team's record.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2012, 03:50:06 PM
Little sweat for Birmingham Southern in dispatching Dallas in the opening round of the SCAC tournament today 82-59.  The #8 Panthers get the winner of Austin-Centre in today's next game.  I believe Birmingham Southern is the overwhelming favorite to win this tournament and take a 27-1 mark into the D3 tournament beginning next weekend.  This team has been far and away the most accomplished team in SCAC play in recent years; they are on an 18-game roll right now.  They are deep, offensively efficient and well-coached. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 24, 2012, 07:46:53 PM
Centre men hung on to defeat Austin this afternoon 56-52. It was anything but pretty as Centre survived a bout of awful free throw shooting - 8-21 - to sneak out a win. Colonels started the game poorly in falling behind but quickly seized control midway through the opening stanza. Chris Taylor made key plays as Centre was able to build a double-digit lead going into the half. Centre continued clanging foul shots in the 2nd half which enabled Austin to fight their way back. Fortunately Donavan Whiteside was able to convert some shots at the line in the clutch to enable Centre to escape to the 2nd round where they will battle heavily favored Birmingham Southern. Taylor led the Colonels with 13 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2012, 09:36:33 AM
Nitty-gritty time as the SCAC tournament moves to semi-final action today. 

Centre plays the host team, Birmingham Southern, and then West #1 Trinity takes on Rhodes.

I like BSU in their contest.  They are so deep, balanced and playing on the home court. In short, one of the best in D3 this year.  Centre has had to remake its team this season with the graduation of their 6'8" center, Alex Lloyd.  The Colonels are more uptempo and defensively they are not as intimidating as before. Stats bear this out, too.  The Panthers' ability to work the angles offensively and get the ball in and out of the paint for decent looks will be the deciding factor in this game.  Look for Birmingham Southern to win by 12-15.

I believe Rhodes may be playing its best basketball of the season right now.  Rhodes had a very successful final road trip beating both Sewanee and Centre last weekend.  Look for them to beat Trinity by 5 to reach Sunday's final.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 25, 2012, 05:23:48 PM
Completely missed on the Centre-BSU game today  (76-57 Centre).  Centre had a solid game plan and executed it effectively in perhaps the team's best game of the season. The Colonels were much improved on their perimeter defense than the last time they played the Panthers when they scorched the nets from outside the arc. It also helped that Centre got off to a decent start and never allowed BSU to get their offense in gear. The Panthers seemed impatient from the get-go and Centre dictated pace throughout this one. The Colonels shot the ball incredibly well from everywhere. They even found their free throw touch in nailing all 18 attempts. Greg Ross was on his game knocking down 28 and getting 9 rebounds.   Tremendous effort by Centre in reaching the SCAC final for the 7th time in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2012, 02:37:19 PM
Congratulation to Trinity, 61-50 winners over Centre.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2012, 07:23:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2012, 02:37:19 PM
Congratulation to Trinity, 61-50 winners over Centre.

A young team that has come on strong in the second half (11 straight), typical Cunningham squad with no stars (no all-SCAC first teamers, two sophs made All-SCAC second) but great team play.   They will probably get a pretty tough draw but look out next year, only two seniors and only one gets much playing time (Ryan Beal; 8 ppg/5 rpg). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 26, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2012, 07:23:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2012, 02:37:19 PM
Congratulation to Trinity, 61-50 winners over Centre.

A young team that has come on strong in the second half (11 straight), typical Cunningham squad with no stars (no all-SCAC first teamers, two sophs made All-SCAC second) but great team play.   They will probably get a pretty tough draw but look out next year, only two seniors and only one gets much playing time (Ryan Beal; 8 ppg/5 rpg).
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Drove to Birmingham this morning to see this game.  These kids played controlled basketball and solid defense.  Their length bothered Centre.  I told Coach Cunningham that I had "disrespected" his squad; they  quietly jumped to the front of the pack.  Their record does not reflect the quality of their play over the past 3-4 weeks. Do agree they will get a poor draw but perhaps they will surprise someone else, too!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2012, 11:37:19 AM
A fair amount of chatter on the boards this morning on the Pool C teams.  Many are saying Birmingham Southern will be left out when selections are announced later today.  Too bad if it happens, but it won't be a total shock.  The South region always struggles for respect when balanced against some of the other areas in the country which are top-heavy with D3 schools.  Birmingham Southern's only 2 losses came against Centre.  Centre is no world-beater this year, but they also have the distinction of putting the only blemish on Cabrini's stellar record.  I am hoping that the selection committee takes this into account when weighing in on Birmingham Southern.  We'll know shortly.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on February 27, 2012, 12:28:03 PM
Congratulations to Birmingham Southern - they are in the Transy pod for the opening round as the #3 playing Wittenberg (#2) of the North Coast Conference. Transy will host #4 Carroll.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2012, 12:39:14 PM
And Trinity heads to play at UMHB, who like BSC lost only two games all season, both to the same team (McMurry [19-8]).  Gonna be a difficult matchup for the Tigers.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2012, 07:18:51 AM
Wonderful win for Pat Cunningham's team in the 1st round of the tournament against Mary Hardin Baylor 68-66.  Congratulations to Trinity on advancing. Unfortunately highly rated Birmingham Southern didn't fare as well at Transylvania against a fine Wittenberg team. Birmingham Southern bows out having had a tremendous season with only 3 losses on their ledger.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 09:59:34 AM
Trinity was getting open on threes and hitting them like crazy in the first half (~60%); in the second half UMHB played more physically and committed harder on defense, out-rebounding TU by double digits and getting to the line twice as often.  Fortunately the Cru missed a lot of those extra charity shots (10 of 24) and Beall's long three at the end took a friendly high bounce off the rim before dropping through.   Beall is the only senior on the playoff roster; the other starters were three sophomores and a freshman.

It doesn't get any easier today with a 25-3 Whitworth team that has six guys 6-6 or taller, including Felix Friedt (a senior from Düsseldorf, Germany) who lit up McMurry for 35 last night.   The Pirates are also on a 12-game winning streak.  Idris Lasisi (a senior from Leuven, Belgium/North Idaho College), a 6"2" G/F, leads the team in scoring.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 07:37:20 PM
hooray for open WiFi at UMHB arena!  20 minutes to start time here, Pirates are warming up, Trinity has yet to appear.  Not expecting a big crowd tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 08:08:58 PM
shots not falling, Trinity turning the ball over early.  8-3 Whitworth 15:32 1st
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
whitworth hitting the long ball tonite, up 27-18 with 3:50 before half.. Lambert not a factor yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 08:43:34 PM
Whitworth up 10 at the half.  Trinity pressing and making lots of mistakes, some forced and some not.  Really need LAmbert to find his stroke in the second half.  Fewer fouls called in first half than last night but Whit center has either 6 or 8 fts - none for TU.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
My bad - only 4 fts for Credit, who is is 0-3 otherwise.  Lasisi is 5-8 from beyond the arc and has 17 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 09:17:32 PM
Whitworth had a 21-point lead but Trinity turned the D way up, now trail 47-44 with 8 left
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
Whitworth found their shooting stroke again, the long threes and the lead is and over 10 with 3:38 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 03, 2012, 09:37:57 PM
Trinity coach had great defensive gameplan. The 2-3 zone gave Whitworth fits. They hammered Friedt down low and Felix didn't get many calls, limiting his points. Congrats to Trinity for making it to the second round. They really stepped up their game for the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 11:23:43 PM
We had a good game plan for Freidt but that opened up your three point shooters and we had no answer for the way Lasisi was knocking them down.   Our big gun, Zach Lambert, was defended very well all night and never really got it going with the exception of those few minutes during the comeback from 21 down where he got to the free throw line on drives a few times.   Your defense on our shooters was very good almost all night.  If we could have only gotten a three to fall after to closing to within three late ... but it was not to be.

There's no shame in losing to a team as talented as Whitworth, and I wish your young men well the rest of the way.     We bring everyone back but Beall next year, so perhaps we shall meet again.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 03, 2012, 11:43:59 PM
Very strong finish to a fantastic season for Trinity. You represented the SCAC well.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2012, 10:40:10 AM
Contemplating the SCAC in 2012-13...

My guess is that they keep the new SCAC in South Region so that the conference keeps the options for in-region games with the old friends in the SAA.

The West Region has so many teams in the Region.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 11, 2012, 10:59:38 AM
Trinity's taking a trip to Italy this month - first time I can remember them sending a squad of any sport overseas - and will be playing some games there.  All the returning players are going per http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/05-10-12_mbkb_italy.

They will chronicle their journey (departing 14 May, returning on 23 May) on their Courtside with the Tigers (http://trinitymbball.blogspot.com/) blog.  Glad to see TU is taking advantage of the NCAA's provision which allows a team to tour internationally every so often. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 31, 2012, 12:10:20 PM
Hope you don't mind a break in the action, as it were, but I want to share a story the D3 community should know about. You actually may have seen the story on the front page of D3hoops.com, but just in case:

A Goucher basketball player has been paralyzed in a freak accident. He was wrestling around with a friend one morning in his dorm building when he landed on his neck. The entire story is here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed).

He was released from the hospital to the Kennedy Krieger Institute for rehab shortly after that article was posted last week. However, over the weekend he was sent back to the hospital when he apparently had trouble breathing. Now he awaits a return to the rehab facility, probably any day if he hasn't been released already.

Please keep Damone Brooks, his family, the Goucher basketball team(s), and Goucher community in your thoughts, hearts, and prayers. The family certainly needs help with medical bills as well, so if you feel inclined, please consider them as well.

To follow his progress online, click here (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/damonebrooks).
And to consider a donation, click here (http://www.helphopelive.org/find-a-patient/profile/index.cfm/patient/FE0B84F4-C845-2122-B07EA3093EFAF336).

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on June 02, 2012, 05:36:59 PM
Anyone know what the conference schedule will look like this season with the SCAC having just six teams? Will each team play the others twice or three times? Or some other combination?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on June 11, 2012, 12:44:30 PM
tarheelfan - conference teams will play each other three times for the 2012-13 season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on June 12, 2012, 06:41:55 PM
Thank you, scaccommish
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 15, 2012, 02:39:06 PM
Quote from: scaccommish on June 11, 2012, 12:44:30 PM
tarheelfan - conference teams will play each other three times for the 2012-13 season.
Will that be a back-to-back home/ single game away format?

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on July 15, 2012, 08:26:04 PM
Ralph,

For those scheduled to play at Colorado twice, yes, those games will be played back to back on same trip. There are a couple of other back-to-back, same site games scheduled as well. Composite schedule should be on SCAC website soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on July 17, 2012, 02:27:12 PM
New hire at Southwestern:
http://southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/releases/201206299kfadu
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
Trinity is favored by coaches to win the conference this year:

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/preseason_poll

1. Trinity University       25 (5)     
T-2. Austin College      19 (1)   
T-2. Colorado College 19     
4. Centenary College  12
5. University of Dallas   8    
6. Southwestern           7     

TU returns four of five starters (losing only Ryan Beall [8.4 ppg/5.1 rpg/3.6 apg]) and played very well at the end of the season in upsetting UMHB in the first round and giving Whitworth a decent run in the second before falling.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 11, 2013, 04:28:44 PM
I am going to the Dallas/ Colorado College game tonight.  I was hoping to get some insight here. :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2013, 10:04:43 PM
GF (not that you will ever look here again), the SCAC never has been much of a basketball chat board and most of the chatters went with their teams to the SAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2013, 08:55:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2013, 10:04:43 PM
GF (not that you will ever look here again), the SCAC never has been much of a basketball chat board and most of the chatters went with their teams to the SAA.
And aside from the McMurry fans, neither was the ASC Men's boards.

Now that HSU Cowgirls and HPU Lady Yellow Jackets are not in the Top 25, and there are no McMurry fans posting, the women's board is dormant too.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on January 23, 2013, 02:50:00 PM
I miss the good ole days of banter on the boards Ralph.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 10, 2013, 09:53:01 AM
A disappointing loss for what has turned out to be an inconsistent Trinity squad last night, losing to a subpar Southwestern 70-63.    The Pirates improve to 9-14, 5-8 SCAC while the Tigers fell to 16-7, 10-3.  Southwestern had 14 more boards and won the battle of the offensive boards 14-6.   Trinity attempted 30 three pointers (of 49 total shots) but only hit eight.   The margin could have been larger had the Pirates hit more than 19 of 38 free throw attempts (of which 12 came late in the game with Trinity fouling on every possession). 

With two games remaining Trinity and Colorado College are tied for the conference lead, with the two teams meeting in San Antonio next Friday.    CC has two wins against Trinity to date including the first matchup in SA. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 15, 2013, 10:50:23 PM
Trinity shoots 70% in the first half to jump out to a big lead,  rebuffs a Colorado College comeback in the second to retake the top spot in the SCAC, 68-52.   Robert Kitzinger had 23 points to lead Trinity, all in the first half.  Ryan Milne also had 23 for Colorado College.  A Trinity win (at home v. Dallas [14-9, 8-5 SCAC] )or a CC loss (at Southwestern [9-14, 5-8]) in their final games of the season will sew up the top seed in the conference championship for Trinity.  CC holds the tiebreaker if they win and Trinity loses. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 21, 2013, 05:04:57 PM
Wide open tournament starting tomorrow. Centenary is the 5 seed but has beaten Southwestern, the 4 seed and the team they face tomorrow, all three times the two teams have played this year. UD, the three seed, has beaten AC all three times they have played, but the margins have been 3, 6, and 4, and AC is home with the game tipping off at 7 so you'd have to think there will be an awfully good crowd with the tournament being played in Sherman.

And then you've got the semifinals, where you've got Colorado, the two seed, playing the winner of AC and UD. AC has beaten Colorado at home, and UD has knocked off the Tigers as well. And then you've got Trinity facing either a Southwestern team that has beaten them or a Centenary team that's played Trinity tough and has maybe the most explosive scorer in the league in Jonathan Blount.

Should be a very interesting weekend. Would not be surprised by anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2013, 11:17:52 AM
Agreed - this may be the most wide-open championship in the conference this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 22, 2013, 11:20:38 PM
Southwestern holds off Centenary 74-67 in a game that had 64 fouls called, and will take on Trinity tomorrow.

Austin College upset Dallas, and they did it pretty emphatically. 74-58 final, and they'll take on a Colorado College team they beat by 11 last time they played on this floor.

Tomorrow should be a very fun day at the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2013, 12:53:38 PM
Trinity wins the conference in OT over their SCAC nemesis Colorado College and is surprisingly rewarded with a first round home game against the ASC champion, Concordia (TX). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DMJSports on February 27, 2013, 01:44:31 PM
Here is an interesting look at how individuals impact a team's performance.  The following analysis is not based on individual stats, but compares team performance with individual players in and out of the lineup.  This is an objective analysis using actual data from every game played by Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference teams this season.  Based on this comprehensive analysis, the following players are making the most positive impact on their respective team:

Austin: ALEN MICHAEL in the lineup correlates to improving Austin scoring rate by 0.2ppg and decreasing opponents scoring rate by 11.2ppg - a net gain of 11.5ppg compared to when MICHAEL is out of the lineup.  JORDAN HANCOCK (9.1ppg) also makes a strong positive impact.

Centenary (La.): not enough data available

Colorado College: IAN REWOLDT on the court correlates to improving Colorado College scoring rate by 8.6ppg and decreasing opponents scoring rate by 7.9ppg - a net gain of 16.5ppg compared to when REWOLDT is on the bench.  CHRIS LESNANSKY (15.3ppg), JAKE TRAMUTOLO (10.8ppg) and RYAN MILNE (8.3ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Southwestern: MICHAEL CANTU court presence correlates to increasing Southwestern scoring rate by 8.0ppg and decreasing opponents scoring rate by 0.2ppg - a net gain of 8.2ppg compared to when CANTU is off the floor.  SEAN MYERS (7.4ppg) and CHASE KOCHER (6.4ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Trinity: not enough data available

University of Dallas: DREW ASSINESI on the floor correlates to reducing University of Dallas scoring rate by 17.5ppg and decreasing opponents scoring rate by 30.2ppg - a net gain of 12.8ppg compared to when ASSINESI is off the floor.


On the lighter side, focusing on secondary goals (team stats other than the primary objective - outscoring opponents).  Following are players making the most positive impact in these areas:

Team scoring: having SEAN MYERS on the floor correlates to Southwestern increasing its scoring rate by 11.8 ppg compared to when MYERS is on the bench.

Opponent scoring: having DREW ASSINESI on the floor correlates to University of Dallas decreasing opposition scoring rate by 30.2 ppg compared to when ASSINESI is on the bench.

Team field goal percentage: having SEAN MYERS on the floor correlates to Southwestern increasing its field goal percentage rate by 5.9 percentage points compared to when MYERS is on the bench.  MICHAEL CANTU-Southwestern (5.5) also makes a strong positive impact.

Opponent field goal percentage: having ALEN MICHAEL on the floor correlates to Austin decreasing opposition field goal percentage rate by 5.9 percentage points compared to when MICHAEL is on the bench.

Team made field goals: having SEAN MYERS on the floor correlates to Southwestern increasing its made field goals rate by 3.7 per game compared to when MYERS is on the bench.

Opponent made field goals: having DREW ASSINESI on the floor correlates to University of Dallas decreasing opposition made field goals rate by 8.2 per game compared to when ASSINESI is on the bench.

Team offensive rebounds: having ALEN MICHAEL on the floor correlates to Austin increasing its offensive rebounds rate by 4.7 per game compared to when MICHAEL is on the bench.

Opponent offensive rebounds: having CHRIS LESNANSKY on the floor correlates to Colorado College decreasing opposition offensive rebounds rate by 4.8 per game compared to when LESNANSKY is on the bench.

Team turnovers: having DREW ASSINESI on the floor correlates to University of Dallas decreasing its turnovers rate by 8.2 per game compared to when ASSINESI is on the bench.

Opponent turnovers: having DREW ASSINESI on the floor correlates to University of Dallas increasing opposition turnovers rate by 2.8 per game compared to when ASSINESI is on the bench.

Team steals: having DREW ASSINESI on the floor correlates to University of Dallas increasing its steals rate by 2.7 per game compared to when ASSINESI is on the bench.

Team assists: having MICHAEL CANTU on the floor correlates to Southwestern increasing its assists rate by 2.1 per game compared to when CANTU is on the bench.

Team defensive rebounds: having IAN REWOLDT on the floor correlates to Colorado College increasing its defensive rebounds rate by 5.6 per game compared to when REWOLDT is on the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2013, 05:28:15 PM
Only one of these teams is still playing, and it's the one you have no data for.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2013, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2013, 05:28:15 PM
Only one of these teams is still playing, and it's the one you have no data for.  Thanks.
Ron why don't you get the Trinity data and share your findings!  Good opportunity for the team to add positives to that pool of data tonight.  Good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 21, 2013, 04:13:43 PM
Trinity (TX) will be taking part in the 2nd Annual Hoopsville National Invitational Classic: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/06/hoopsville-classic-features-three-elite-eight-teams (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/06/hoopsville-classic-features-three-elite-eight-teams)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 03, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
Congrats to former SCAC / DePauw '99 player Brad Stevens, today named coach of the Boston Celtics.

Hell yes, DPU was in the SCAC in '99 so I'm taking credit for him, the NCAC be darned.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamplayer on November 26, 2013, 11:23:48 AM
Congratulations to colorado college for their big 65 - 60 victory over 12th ranked whitworth at whitworth on November 23. Since 2001, whitworth was 190-15 at home. CC made it 190 - 16. CC was in control most of the game as Whitworth only led once at 15-13.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 11, 2013, 10:24:52 AM
CC is ranked in the d3hoops.com Top 25 (25th) for the first time in team history, congrats to the Tigers.

Speaking of Tigers, not sure I can figure out the Trinity men quite yet.  They've been kind of up and down this season but got a good W against formerly undefeated UT-Dallas (now 5-1) last night.   They have done a lot of travel early in the season which factors into the situation but hopefully that will make them stronger down the stretch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2014, 04:52:26 PM
Tonight's Hoopsville (Thursday, January 23) is set to air starting at 7 PM EST. Tune in to hear from our School of the Week, Schreiner, and coach Jimmy Smith along with the following guests:

- Transylvania WBB coach Greg Todd
- Johns Hopkins WBB coach Nancy Funk
- William Smith WBB coach Lindsay Drury Sharman
- Mount Union MBB coach Michael Fuline
- #25 Dubuque MBB coach Robbie Sieverding

You can tune into Hoopsville on our website (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) or here (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan23).

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- Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
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Thank you and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 07, 2014, 07:29:18 PM
TLU names Jimmy Smith. current coach at Schreiner, as their new men's head coach.   http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2014/4/7/MBB_0407142043.aspx

Don't know if I can remember one SCAC school ever hiring another's coach, though I'm sure it happened along the way somewhere. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on December 23, 2014, 08:48:47 PM
Two big wins by TLU this past weekend at the Trinity invitational.  They had a rough start to the season but look like they are coming around.  I am looking forward to conference play starting up.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:49:01 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJSUPhil on July 13, 2015, 07:47:18 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 07, 2014, 07:29:18 PM
TLU names Jimmy Smith. current coach at Schreiner, as their new men's head coach.   http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2014/4/7/MBB_0407142043.aspx

Don't know if I can remember one SCAC school ever hiring another's coach, though I'm sure it happened along the way somewhere. 

You know that old saying - there's nothing new under the sun.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 10, 2015, 02:29:46 PM
Opening weekend features many SCAC teams taking on ASC schools:
Friday, Nov. 13
7 p.m. - Southwestern vs. Howard Payne
8 p.m. - TLU at Incarnate Word (exhibition)

Saturday, Nov. 14
3 p.m. - Schreiner vs. Hardin-Simmons
3 p.m. - Centenary at Texas-Dallas
4 p.m. - Austin College at LeTourneau
6 p.m. - Trinity at Mary Hardin-Baylor

Sunday, Nov. 15
4 p.m. - Dallas at Hendrix
7 p.m. - Texas Lutheran vs. Texas-Tyler
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 14, 2015, 10:17:10 AM
Friday's results
Southwestern 82, Howard Payne 73  |  BOX SCORE (http://southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/files/game01-book.pdf)
- Southwestern trailed by 14 points with just under 11 minutes left in the game
- Pirates used a 17-3 run over next six minutes to pull even
- Zach Whitlock led all players with 23 points
- Southwestern forced 24 turnovers

Incarnate Word 86, Texas Lutheran 65 (exhibition)  |  BOX SCORE (http://uiwcardinals.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=2807)
- TLU was within three points halfway through the second half
- Bulldogs committed 25 turnovers
- Jordan Kouremetis led TLU with 17 points
- 19 different players saw the floor for the Bulldogs
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 16, 2015, 11:50:25 AM
Saturday's results
Hardin-Simmons 76, Schreiner 70  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://hsuathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/boxscores/20151114_dca4.xml")
- Schreiner opened the game on a 12-2 run and had an 11-point lead with 13:46 left in the first half
- Mountaineers led 36-33 at halftime
- Schreiner trailed 68-66 with 2:28 left, but missed back-to-back shots on the ensuing trip down the floor
- HSU hit a 3-pointer on the other end
- Mountaineers shot 34.4 percent in second half, including 2 of 8 from beyond the arc
- Wes Miller and Christian Pena each had 14 points

Texas-Dallas 86, Centenary 68  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=2268")
- Centenary trailed 41-36 at the half
- UTD opened second half on 10-4 run to take an 11-point lead
- Gents trimmed lead to nine points with 5:48 to play, but an 8-0 run over next three minutes put the game out of reach
- Travion Kirkendoll played all 40 minutes and led Centenary with 20 points and 7 rebounds

Austin College 72, LeTourneau 69  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://acroos.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/boxscores/20151114_f6ub.xml")
- 'Roos led 37-31 at halftime
- AC only had seven assists in the game
- 'Roos outscored LeTourneau in the paint, 42-26
- AC only 2 of 9 from beyond the arc, but 18 of 25 (72 percent) from free-throw line
- Cedric Hudson led 'Roos with 19 points

Mary Hardin-Baylor 98, Trinity 87  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/boxscores/20151114_wyrg.xml")
- Trinity shot 58.8 percent from the floor, but committed 26 turnovers
- Tigers also hit 11 of 17 3-pointers (64.7 percent)
- Trinity also out-rebounded UMHB 38-32
- Four Tigers scored double figures, led by A.J. Pullman's 18 points
- Matt Jones added 10 points and 11 assists
- Trinity pulled within three points in final six minutes, but five turnovers in next three minutes led to 93-80 lead for UMHB

Sunday's results
Hendrix 88, Dallas 79  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://www.udallasathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/boxscores/20151115_snf3.xml")
- Dallas trailed 36-32 at halftime
- Crusaders shot only 11.8 percent from beyond the arc (2 of 17), and were 0 of 8 in second half
- Dallas hit 31 of 41 free throws in the contest (75.6 percent)
- Four Crusaders hit double digits, including a game-high 17 points by Michael Sarrat

Texas Lutheran 83, Texas-Tyler 67  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://tlubulldogs.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=4218")
- TLU had a 36-28 lead at halftime
- Bulldogs shot 49.1 percent from the field, including 51.7 percent in second half
- Zach Behr led TLU with 17 points; Sterling Holmes added 15 in 22 minutes
- Bulldogs led 66-61 with 4:18 to play, but used a 12-3 run over next three minutes to pull away
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 17, 2015, 10:25:34 AM
Some interesting games on tap tonight.

Tuesday, Nov. 17
7 p.m. – Trinity vs. Concordia Texas
7 p.m. – Southwestern at St. Edward's (exhibition)
8 p.m. – Centenary vs. #25 East Texas Baptist
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 18, 2015, 08:58:33 AM
Tuesday's results
Concordia Texas 85, Trinity 76  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://athletics.concordia.edu/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=3411")
- Tigers led as 16 in the first half, but only 41-37 at halftime
- Trinity committed 25 turnovers
- A.J. Pulliam led the Tigers with 18 points
- Trinity shot only 22.2 percent (4 of 18) from beyond the arc
- The Tigers were within four points (70-66) with 5:31 left in the game
- CTX used a 6-0 spurt over next two minutes to pull away
- Trinity's zone was effective for most of the first half, but the game began to get away as CTX used transition

#25 East Texas Baptist 72, Centenary 61  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://files.streamlinetechnologies.com/gocentenary/A1F01264-1A70-44CE-A285-83339135F1DC/02centmb.htm")
- Centenary trailed 36-18 at the half
- ETBU led 44-24 with 15:38 to play
- Gents went on a 24-6 run to pull it within two points with 9:36 to go
- An 11-0 run by the Tigers pushed the lead back to 13 in the final five minutes
- Centenary shot 33.3 percent from the floor, including 23.8 percent (5 of 21) from behind the 3-point line
- Travion Kirkendoll led the Gents with 20 points
- James Sapp had 14 rebounds

St. Edward's 95, Southwestern 76 (exhibition)  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://athletics.stedwards.edu/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=1416")
- Southwestern shot 50 percent from the field
- Pirates committed 25 turnovers
- Ryan Ogden scored 19 points in 22 minutes
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2015, 09:09:26 AM
We have to get some people to join you here!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 18, 2015, 11:38:39 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2015, 09:09:26 AM
We have to get some people to join you here!

Agreed. I'll keep posting info.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 20, 2015, 01:12:25 PM
Thursday's results
Southwestern 80, Hardin-Simmons 74  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/boxscores/20151119_ct22.xml?view=boxscore")
- Southwestern led 40-39 at halftime
- Hardin-Simmons pulled within two (71-69) with 4:01 to play, but a 5-0 spurt by the Pirates helped them take control at the end
- The Cowboys got back to within two with 22 seconds left, but a pair of free throws and a breakaway dunk in the final seconds allowed SU to clinch the win
- All five Southwestern starters reached double figures, led by Zach Whitlock's 25 points
- Ryan Ogden logged his second straight double-double with 17 points and 12 rebounds

Austin College 68, Howard Payne 62  |  BOX SCORE (http://"http://acroos.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/boxscores/20151119_xjda.xml")
- Howard Payne held a 25-20 edge at the half
- Austin College limited the Yellow Jackets to just 29 percent shooting from the floor
- Game was tied 50-50 with 7:32 to play
- 'Roos used 9-3 run to take control
- Brian Baehl led all scorers with 24 points
- Stephen Igbinosa posted a double-double of 16 points and 10 boards

Friday, Nov. 20
2:30 p.m. – Dallas at Roanoke
6 p.m. – Texas Lutheran vs. Pacific Lutheran (played in Tacoma, Wash.)
7 p.m. – Schreiner at Angelo State
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 29, 2015, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: tony_baldwin on November 18, 2015, 11:38:39 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2015, 09:09:26 AM
We have to get some people to join you here!

Agreed. I'll keep posting info.

Tony,

I will try to help you pick this board up as well!!! 

Huge win by TLU last night in Seguin against ETBU!!!! TLU was down by 18 with about 15 minutes to go and fought back to win.  About as good of a win as TLU has had in a long time.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2015, 06:55:34 PM
Teams are finally settling into the season, but that doesn't mean things have gotten easier. Tonight on Hoopsville, Dave returns from the Wendy's Classic where he talked to those who helped wrap up the historic tournament. He also chats with those showing heir strength early in the campaign and pulling off upsets.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7PM ET! www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/dec6 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/dec6)

Guests include (in order):

- Guy Kalland, Carleton men's coach
- Bob Quillman, Central Region Reporter
- Jimmy Smith, Texas Lutheran men's coach
- Anthony Ewing, No. 10 Univ. of New England women's coach
- Scott Hemer, SUNY Geneseo women's coach
- Luke Flockerzi, Rochester men's coach
- J.C. DeLass, East Region Reporter

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on December 10, 2015, 09:48:44 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 06, 2015, 06:55:34 PM
Teams are finally settling into the season, but that doesn't mean things have gotten easier. Tonight on Hoopsville, Dave returns from the Wendy's Classic where he talked to those who helped wrap up the historic tournament. He also chats with those showing heir strength early in the campaign and pulling off upsets.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7PM ET! www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/dec6 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/dec6)

Guests include (in order):

- Guy Kalland, Carleton men's coach
- Bob Quillman, Central Region Reporter
- Jimmy Smith, Texas Lutheran men's coach
- Anthony Ewing, No. 10 Univ. of New England women's coach
- Scott Hemer, SUNY Geneseo women's coach
- Luke Flockerzi, Rochester men's coach
- J.C. DeLass, East Region Reporter

Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Great interview with Coach Smith at TLU.  He has done tremendous things with TLU's program in a short time.  TLU has continued to look really good this year.  Looking forward to the matches against Illinois Wesleyan and ETBU in the next few weeks and then on to conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2016, 06:41:54 PM
Each and every week there are games that will surprise. Each and every season there are programs that will surprise. This season there may be more than the rest.

Tonight on Hoopsville, Dave returns from the NCAA Convention in San Antonio where he got more than a taste of Texas basketball. Plus, there are a few teams making a statement in their conferences and it's time to shine a light on their success.

Dave also got a chance while at the NCAA Convention to talk to the parents of one of the more influencial student-athletes the NCAA has seen. Brent and Lisa Hill talk about the legacy left by their daughter Lauren and the recognition she got from the NCAA.

You can watch the show starting at 7pm ET tonight right here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan17

Guests include (in order):
- Janson Hightower, Southwestern men's coach
- Cameron Hill, No. 17 Trinity (Texas) women's coach
- Jessica Ott, Milwaukee Engineering women's coach - WBCA Center Court
- Bill Geitner, Eastern Connecticut's men's coach
- Steven Schulman, Lehman's men's coach
- Bill and Lisa Hill, Lauren Hill's parents

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:43:23 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20pmPat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2016, 09:23:14 AM
Speaking of Trinity (TX) and Pat Cunningham, despite a 30-10 disparity at the line, the Tigers dealt the SCAC-leading Texas Lutheran Bulldogs their first home loss of the season, 83-82.   Matt Jones hit two free throws with 1.25 seconds on the clock to secure the win in the seesaw affair which saw featured 23 lead changes; neither team lead by more than five points the entire game.

AJ Pulliam led the victors with 24 points and 11 rebounds; Jayden Holden added 23 and 6.  Sterling Holmes had 21 points to pace the Bulldogs, who drop into a tie with Colorado College at 16-5 (8-2 SCAC).   Trinity improves to 8-13 (4-6 SCAC). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:57:24 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 12, 2016, 11:54:04 PM
Trinity again knocks off a SCAC co-leader, defeating Colorado College 57-56 - doing so without scoring a point for the last six-plus minutes of the game.   The win clinches a spot in the SCAC tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2016, 05:38:20 PM
It might be a holiday for those romantically inclined, but it is also getting down to the end of the Division III basketball season. Just two weeks remain between now and the end of the regular season and nothing has been determined.

On Sunday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh will talk to some teams who have emerged from no where to be in a position to surprise when their conference tournaments begin. McHugh also talks to a few teams who can't seem to be knocked off their conference pedestal, but still feel they have something to prove. And the hectic schedule of conference travel can take it's toll.

Sunday's show start at 7:00 pm ET and promises to go well into overtime. You can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb14

Guests included (in order of appearance):
- Tara Macciocco, Marywood women's coach
- Dr. George Barber, Greenville men's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 8 St. Thomas women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Rusty Eggen, Northeast Region Report, WPI Sports Information Director
- Angela Santa Fe, Regis (Mass.) women's coach
- Andy Partee, Colorado College men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project is halfway to the deadline but we are not that close to the goal. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509.

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 15, 2016, 10:38:34 AM
I was wrong - the win against CC did not secure a spot in the SCAC tourney for Trinity.   The Tigers' start against Centenary on Saturday was just as cold as their finish against Colorado, as they went down 18-1 as the Gents couldn't miss early.    James Sapp (28 points, 20 in the 1st half on 9-11 shooting), and Travion Kirkendoll (26 pts, 12 rebounds) dominated play.  The Gents, who in conference play have hit 32% of their threes, were over 50% on the day (11/21) from beyond the arc.

Trinity travels to Schreiner for both team's last regular season game.   If Trinity wins they will get the #5 seed and match up against #4 Centenary again.   A Trinity loss could result in as many as three teams tied at 5-9 (Dallas, if they defeat Austin, would be the third) and I have no idea what the tiebreaker would be.   The #6 seed will face #3 Southwestern in the first round of the tournament.   Texas Lutheran has clinched #1 and Colorado College #2.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 15, 2016, 11:46:01 AM
It's going to be a crazy weekend. AC is currently last in the standings but can still get the 6 seed - if AC beats Dallas, and Trinity beats Schreiner, then it creates a tie between UD, Schreiner, and AC, and AC would get the tiebreaker because in that scenario they'll be 2-0 against Schreiner and 1-1 against UD (UD split with Schreiner, which is why AC would get the nod).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:19:40 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2016, 04:14:42 PM
TLU is still #1 in the South
AS per Dave's comment on the ASC board, looking more like the case every day... ETBU to TLU and then TLU flown out (even as the #1 Team in the South Region.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 07, 2016, 11:51:32 PM
Pretty cool hire by TLU a week after losing Jimmy Smith to D1.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/06/texas-lutheran-wacker-hire
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 10, 2016, 10:11:15 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 07, 2016, 11:51:32 PM
Pretty cool hire by TLU a week after losing Jimmy Smith to D1.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/06/texas-lutheran-wacker-hire

Good to see another Coach Wacker at TLU.   Didn't take the Bulldogs long to find their man!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 16, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
Opening night recaps from around the SCAC. Trinity and Southwestern both took down ASC divisional favorites on opening night.

Tuesday, Nov. 15
Trinity 75, @ Texas-Dallas 56 // BOX SCORE (http://"http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=2607")

- Trinity led 44-26 at the half
- The Tigers started the game on a 9-0 run and led 28-8 with 8:44 to play in first half
- Danny Rivara scored a game-high 26 points and collected 10 boards
- Trinity won the battle of the boards, 49-31

@ Texas Lutheran 87, Mary Hardin-Baylor 84 // BOX SCORE (http://"http://tlubulldogs.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=4733")
- TLU shot 50 percent (13 of 26) from beyond the arc
- Sterling Holmes led a trio of Bulldogs into double figures with 25 points
- TLU led 74-61 with 10:23 to play
- The Bulldogs scored their final seven points on free throws, including one from Holmes and two from Zach Behr to break an 84-84 tie in the final 34 seconds.

Southwestern 97, @ Hardin-Simmons 95 // BOX SCORE (http://"http://southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-baskbl/2016-17/boxscores/20161115_3gr7.xml")
- Connor Kim hit a jumper with one second left in the game
- The Pirates overcame a 17-point deficit to win
- Ryan Ogden led all five starters into double digits with 22 points
- Ben Stiver, who scored 20, hit four consecutive free throws (two from a technical foul) with 29 seconds to go, which gave SU its first lead of the contest
- Southwestern outrebounded the Cowboys, 41-37

Dallas 89, @ Hendrix 88 (OT) // BOX SCORE (http://"http://scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/boxscores/20161115_cnjx.xml")
- The Crusaders rallied from a 12-point, second-half deficit to tie the game at the end of regulation
- Lorenzo Gonzalez hit a 3-pointer with three seconds left in regulation to send game to OT
- Dallas used an 11-6 spurt to take an advantage in the extra session
- Hendrix's Bryce Batchelor buried a 3-pointer as time expired to cut lead to one point
- The Crusaders shot 50.7 percent (35 of 69) from the floor in the game
- Michael Sarrat scored a team-high 21 points
- Prince Giadolor scored 6 points, grabbed 10 boards and dished out 7 assists in 35 minutes of action

LeTourneau 92, @ Austin College 78 // BOX SCORE (http://"http://scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/boxscores/20161115_egyo.xml")
- The 'Roos trailed 49-38 at halftime
- Austin Freet (17 points/11 rebounds) and Jeremy Swisher (15 points/12 rebounds) both logged double-doubles
- The 'Roos shot 40.8 percent from the field, but just 15.4 percent (2 of 13) from behind the 3-point line
- Austin College scored 50 of its 78 points in the paint

Sul Ross State 82, @ Schreiner 77 // BOX SCORE (http://"http://scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/boxscores/20161115_6z4u.xml")
- Schreiner trailed 47-42 at halftime
- Blake Kelley's 3-pointer with 20 seconds left cut the Lobo lead to 81-77
- Jared Thompson scored 19 points to lead the Mountaineers
- Schreiner turned the ball over 20 times
- The Mountaineers shot 61.5 percent (8 of 13) from downtown

@ East Texas Baptist 90, Centenary 77 // BOX SCORE (http://"http://scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/boxscores/20161115_nujl.xml")
- Centenary trailed at the half, 48-41
- The Gents went scoreless for nearly seven minutes to start second half, as ETBU used an 11-0 run to pull away
- Travion Kirkendoll (25 points) and Treylan Matthes (21 points) led Centenary's offensive effort
- The Gents were beat on the boards, 57-30
- Centenary shot only 36.9 percent (24 of 65) from the field
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2016, 09:20:09 AM
Great summary, Tony - thanks and +k!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2016, 11:18:30 AM
FYI, this week's Around the South column focuses on Texas Lutheran

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2016-17/wacker-texas-lutheran

I watched some of their game against Whitworth on Saturday night. They hung tough despite Holmes' injury limiting his time. I was impressed by what I saw.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 21, 2017, 01:27:44 PM
The SCAC today announced that Johnson & Wales-Denver, an NAIA school making the transition to D3 starting in 2018 Fall 2017, will join the conference as a core member in 2018.   I'm sure they won't be eligible for championships until several years down the road as is typical for transitioning schools, but this will make a big difference in travel for basketball and soccer teams which used to have to play one day at Colorado College and another in Texas.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2017, 05:31:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 21, 2017, 01:27:44 PM
The SCAC today announced that Johnson & Wales-Denver, an NAIA school making the transition to D3 starting in 2018, will join the conference as a core member in 2018.   I'm sure they won't be eligible for championships until several years down the road as is typical for transitioning schools, but this will make a big difference in travel for basketball and soccer teams which used to have to play one day at Colorado College and another in Texas.   

I don't know, I-25 from Colorado Springs to Denver is getting pretty congested these days.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2017, 04:34:45 PM
Former Schreiner, TLU coach heading to Millsaps:   http://gomajors.com/news/2017/4/3/smith-named-head-mens-basketball-coach-at-millsaps.aspx#.WOKBkNJo610.twitter

Fine coach, from his record, the question is why does he move around more than Larry Brown?   That would give me pause if I was an administrator.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 22, 2017, 02:46:36 PM
Saw this last week - HC Adam Walsh is leaving Centenary for the same position at Shenandoah:   http://www.gocentenary.com/mbasketball/news/2016-17/8296/adam-walsh-steps-down-as-gents-basketball-coach-after-seven-seasons/

Good hire for Shenandoah (his predecessor was 40-117 in six seasons), and Walsh returns to the area where he grew up. He'll be hard-pressed to have the same success in the ODAC that he had in the SCAC, but a new athletic center coming on line next season could help.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: guest323 on January 19, 2018, 12:37:58 AM
is this the season centenary makes it to the dance? the kirkendoll has some unreal highlights my buddy sent me - scac teams seem to have average records. martin on colorado seems like a stud too
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2018, 01:25:07 AM
Quote from: guest323 on January 19, 2018, 12:37:58 AM
is this the season centenary makes it to the dance? the kirkendoll has some unreal highlights my buddy sent me - scac teams seem to have average records. martin on colorado seems like a stud too
Welcome, guest323!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2018, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: guest323 on January 19, 2018, 12:37:58 AM
is this the season centenary makes it to the dance? the kirkendoll has some unreal highlights my buddy sent me - scac teams seem to have average records. martin on colorado seems like a stud too

The SCAC seems very much up for grabs this season (as it often is - men's basketball is not a strength of the conference).   It's going to be who gets hot at tourney time.   If you look at the records for the last ten games, almost all but the bottom feeders are playing .500 ball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on January 25, 2018, 12:09:54 AM
Not a strength but 5 different SCAC MBB athletes have been named to the D3 Hoops TOTW...D3 Basketball in the South Region is always better than some others give it credit. SCAC, ASC, USA South have players and teams that can compete with anyone.

One example: Trinity and Southwestern defeated Springfield handily this December. Springfield has wins over #12 MIT and #14 Wesleyan. It's all about matchups and style of play.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2018, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: tarheelfan on January 25, 2018, 12:09:54 AM
Not a strength but 5 different SCAC MBB athletes have been named to the D3 Hoops TOTW...D3 Basketball in the South Region is always better than some others give it credit. SCAC, ASC, USA South have players and teams that can compete with anyone.

One example: Trinity and Southwestern defeated Springfield handily this December. Springfield has wins over #12 MIT and #14 Wesleyan. It's all about matchups and style of play.
My assessment is that the SCAC and ASC teams have to "fly" for later rounds and so have real home court "disadvantage" in so many cases.

It is rare to have the Round #3/#4 game hosted and played in this part of the country, for numerous reasons.

I also think that ASC & SCAC teams do not match well against teams from the Central Region.  The matchups against the Great Lakes and West Region are less challenging.

I think that we would fare better if we played teams from the Northeast, East, Atlantic, and Middle Atlantic regions in the third and fourth rounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
Look at the UMHB 2012-13, the year they lost to Amherst in the Championship game. 

That was the season that they played the Finals at the D1 Championship site. They had played at Whitworth earlier in the season, so they had been in the fieldhouse earlier in the season. They were familiar with the sight lines, the background, the lighting, the floor with its quirks, deadspots etc.

They had a first round bye.

CTX was the 2nd round foe (at home).

Back to Whitworth for Round 3.

They caught St Mary's MD (Middle Atlantic) on a neutral floor and St Thomas on a neutral floor in 4th and 5th round

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Mary_Hardin-Baylor/men/2012-13/index
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:45:38 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
Open question to the SCAC intelligentsia...

In which sports does JWU-Denver really help?

In which sports is JWU-Denver, not a benefit?  (Women's soccer?)

What sports that JWU-Denver offers help with the strategic advancement of the SCAC?  M&W Lacrosse?

What sports might an SCAC fan/president/AD/conference administrator want JWU-D add?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2018, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
Open question to the SCAC intelligentsia...

In which sports does JWU-Denver really help?

In which sports is JWU-Denver, not a benefit?  (Women's soccer?)

What sports that JWU-Denver offers help with the strategic advancement of the SCAC?  M&W Lacrosse?

What sports might an SCAC fan/president/AD/conference administrator want JWU-D add?

Easy answer to everything:

- Easy travel partner for Colorado College
- Stability on numbers in what is always a fluid situation in Division III
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 12, 2018, 12:48:01 AM
The SCAC would like to get to ten schools.   Now that CC has a travel partner they can try to find someone else, I have no idea who it would be given that the ASC schools seem quite happy where they are, but they're on record as looking for someone after JWU-D.   Maybe they can turn another NAIA school. 

Back to basketball ... an unexpected turn of events with formerly 1-loss (in SCAC play) Schreiner losing both at CC and UDallas this weekend.  They have to win one of two against Trinity to clinch the #1 seed in the SCAC tourney at CC.   If Trinity should win both (and UDallas beat CC) you would see a three-way tie and I have no idea how it would be broken (there's a way, just don't know the conference tiebreaker). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2018, 01:10:11 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 12, 2018, 12:48:01 AM
The SCAC would like to get to ten schools.   Now that CC has a travel partner they can try to find someone else, I have no idea who it would be given that the ASC schools seem quite happy where they are, but they're on record as looking for someone after JWU-D.   Maybe they can turn another NAIA school. 

I have thought about the configuration of the SCAC and ASC too.

I wish that the SCAC would gain enough schools to sponsor football.  In my role as fantasy czar of D-3 football in this part of the country (LOL  ::) ), I would trade Concordia Texas to the SCAC in exchange for at least 2 more of the current SCAC schools adding football (Schreiner and Centenary?). That would give a 2nd Pool A conference in this part of the country.

As for the SCAC, mission and vision?  CTX seems the closest of them all.
I do not think that LeTU likes playing sporting events on Sunday.
I think that the SCAC has cherry-picked the ones that they needed most.

Might Belhaven be a candidate? Unfortunately, Millsaps moved to the SAA. They would have made great travel partners.

NAIA?
Texas Wesleyan plays football, but I think that they believe that they need scholarships.
SAGU seems a better fit in the ASC.
Wayland Baptist?  Don't think so.
Nor University of the Southwest?
University of Houston-Victoria?  Nope.
University of St Thomas in Houston... Not sure.
Our Lady of the Lake in San Antonio?  Maybe.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on February 12, 2018, 12:25:02 PM
Ozark university(Arkansas) going from the asc to scac makes sense, they are already an affiliate in 1 sport and would give them 10 with centenary as a travel partner. The college of the ozarks (Missouri) leaving NAIA might also work. Given their endowment of 500m they could afford travel. The SAA could also jump to 10 with them and beara, c of o would be a good travel partner for Hendrix.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2018, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: cush on February 12, 2018, 12:25:02 PM
Ozarks going from the asc to scac makes sense, they all already an affiliate and would give them 10 with centenary as a travel partner. The college of the ozarks leaving NAIA might also work. Given their endowment of 500m they could afford travel. The SAA could also jump to 10with them and beara
Shreveport to Clarksville AR  306 miles 4Hr 33 Min

Dallas to Clarksville AR 336 miles 5 Hr 13 Min.

That is still a long drive to Clarksville.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2018, 10:12:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2018, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: cush on February 12, 2018, 12:25:02 PM
Ozarks going from the asc to scac makes sense, they all already an affiliate and would give them 10 with centenary as a travel partner. The college of the ozarks leaving NAIA might also work. Given their endowment of 500m they could afford travel. The SAA could also jump to 10with them and beara
Shreveport to Clarksville AR  306 miles 4Hr 33 Min

Dallas to Clarksville AR 336 miles 5 Hr 13 Min.

That is still a long drive to Clarksville.

Is there a late train I can take?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2018, 11:33:12 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2018, 10:12:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2018, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: cush on February 12, 2018, 12:25:02 PM
Ozarks going from the asc to scac makes sense, they all already an affiliate and would give them 10 with centenary as a travel partner. The college of the ozarks leaving NAIA might also work. Given their endowment of 500m they could afford travel. The SAA could also jump to 10with them and beara
Shreveport to Clarksville AR  306 miles 4Hr 33 Min

Dallas to Clarksville AR 336 miles 5 Hr 13 Min.

That is still a long drive to Clarksville.

Is there a late train I can take?
Take the last train to Clarksville
And I'll meet you at the station...

I did not know that you were that old, Ryan

...

BTW, I will pass on the "coffee-flavored kisses"..
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2018, 12:51:11 PM
No one has to be old to appreciate the classics. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2018, 06:57:21 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2018, 11:33:12 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 13, 2018, 10:12:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2018, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: cush on February 12, 2018, 12:25:02 PM
Ozarks going from the asc to scac makes sense, they all already an affiliate and would give them 10 with centenary as a travel partner. The college of the ozarks leaving NAIA might also work. Given their endowment of 500m they could afford travel. The SAA could also jump to 10with them and beara
Shreveport to Clarksville AR  306 miles 4Hr 33 Min

Dallas to Clarksville AR 336 miles 5 Hr 13 Min.

That is still a long drive to Clarksville.

Is there a late train I can take?
Take the last train to Clarksville
And I'll meet you at the station...

I did not know that you were that old, Ryan

...

BTW, I will pass on the "coffee-flavored kisses"..

1980's Nick at Night.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2018, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 14, 2018, 06:57:21 AM


1980's Nick at Night.
I thought so!   LOL.   ;D :)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:04:57 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tarheelfan on February 14, 2018, 03:42:59 PM
And here's the 10th school for the SCAC; St. Thomas out of Houston, TX.   http://scacsports.com/news/st_thomas_joins_scac
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 14, 2018, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: tarheelfan on February 14, 2018, 03:42:59 PM
And here's the 10th school for the SCAC; St. Thomas out of Houston, TX.   http://scacsports.com/news/st_thomas_joins_scac

Current sports:women's volleyball, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's soccer, men's and women's golf
2018-2019, add men's and women's cross country.
2019-2020: add men's and women's tennis and baseball.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on February 15, 2018, 01:58:34 PM
Maybe it's time to move the scac HQ from Georgia to Texas  ;D now if they could jump to 12 with Texas Wesleyan and maybe our lady football could come back
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 15, 2018, 04:23:09 PM
I think one of the terms for Mr. Hanberry staying on as SCAC commissioner (he likely could have taken the same position with the SAA) was the league office remaining in the ATL.   
It certainly hasn't hindered his ability to work with the schools or to bring new schools in.   And if that's the price to pay for keeping the SCAC as a viable league, it's a small one to pay.  You wouldn't have seen too many people willing to bet the SCAC would be where it is today after being left with only five teams. 

Football isn't coming back to the SCAC.  UST has no plans to add it, J&W doesn't, CC isn't going to bring it back, and the other SCAC schools besides AC/SW/TLU/TU had years to think about it and didn't start a program. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: guest323 on February 15, 2018, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 15, 2018, 04:23:09 PM
I think one of the terms for Mr. Hanberry staying on as SCAC commissioner (he likely could have taken the same position with the SAA) was the league office remaining in the ATL.   
It certainly hasn't hindered his ability to work with the schools or to bring new schools in.   And if that's the price to pay for keeping the SCAC as a viable league, it's a small one to pay.  You wouldn't have seen too many people willing to bet the SCAC would be where it is today after being left with only five teams. 

Football isn't coming back to the SCAC.  UST has no plans to add it, J&W doesn't, CC isn't going to bring it back, and the other SCAC schools besides AC/SW/TLU/TU had years to think about it and didn't start a program.

i've heard that the SCAC fee is as expensive as it is because of the travel and lodging of the staff, any truth to that?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 16, 2018, 09:07:00 AM
I've heard you shouldn't respond to anonymous trolling on chat boards.

Schreiner clinched the regular season championship and top seed in the SCAC tourney last night with a 74-66 win at home over Trinity.  Dallas (8-5 SCAC) can clinch the #2 seed with a win at Colorado College on Saturday.   Colorado, Southwestern, and Texas Lutheran are all at 6-7 and battling for the last two spots; TLU and SW face off on Saturday.   A whole bunch of teams could end up 7-7, but according to the conference 7-6 Trinity (final game @home v. Schreiner) clinched a spot last weekend, so 7-6 Centenary (final game at 2-11 Austin) may have, as well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 18, 2018, 08:10:56 AM
Southwestern is the odd man out after this weekend's results.

Trinity defeated Schreiner last night 75-56 behind 29 points from Danny Rivara to pull into a three-way tie for second with Dallas and Centenary.   Tie breakers will determine who gets the bye in the conference championships but if I had to guess it would be Centenary (2-0 v Trinity, 1-1 v Dallas) 2, Dallas (1-1 v Trinity but +2 on total points) 3, Trinity 4.  Colorado and TLU tied for the last spot and were 1-1 against each other but CC is +2 on total points and so may be 5.   If true this would set up

# 3 Dallas v #6 TLU, winner v #2 Centenary
# 4 Trinity v #5 Colorado, winner v #1 Schreiner

Dallas was 1-1 v TLU in the regular season; Trinity was 1-1 v Colorado with both wins coming on the other team's home floor.

From what I saw in the Schreiner-TU game last night (and the H2H results above) this year's championship is wide open. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 18, 2018, 04:43:12 PM
Huh.  Maybe it won't be tie breakers as the women's top seed was settled with a coin toss during the SCAC swimming champsionships yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 19, 2018, 06:35:29 AM
Seeds were announced (and the SCAC does use tiebreakers; on the women's side, none of them differentiated between the two schools):

1) Schreiner (10-4 SCAC; 13-12 overall)
2) Centenary (8-6 SCAC; 14-10 overall)
3) Dallas (8-6 SCAC; 15-10 overall)
4) Trinity (8-6 SCAC; 14-11 overall)
5) Colorado College (7-7 SCAC; 12-13 overall)
6) Texas Lutheran (7-7 SCAC; 11-14 overall)

4 plays 5 and 3 plays 6 in the first round; Schreiner plays the 4-5 winner, Centenary the 3-6 winner.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?action=post;topic=4107.3675;last_msg=1858120
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:43:06 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnak1.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D600%2Fmh%3D600%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fd%3D4ima3%2Fdinflo07zg1qa2ww.jpg&hash=686d8e036c15a7019bc8f4723e2af35008adc158)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 23, 2018, 06:52:46 PM
SCAC Tourney:

#4 Trinity 63 (Rivara 14, Colliflower 10), #5 Colorado College 47 (Houska 11, Black 10 pts/15 reb)
#6 TLU 91, #3 Dallas 76 (box not yet up)

Semifinal games tomorrow:   #1 Schreiner (13-12/10-4 SCAC) vs #4 Trinity (15-11/8-6); #2 Centenary (14-10/8-6 SCAC) vs #6 TLU (12-14/7-7)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2018, 09:58:18 PM
Schreiner got revenge for last weekend's loss, defeating Trinity 74-67.   The Mountaineer D held Trinity under 33% from the floor, and the Tigers didn't help themselves missing 10 of 34 free throws.   Keenan Gumbs had 19 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 steals to lead the way for Schreiner, and Blake Kelley added 18.   Trinity got 18 from Danny Rivera (on 6-of-16) and 12 from Jayden Holden in his last game as a Tiger.

After losing to TLU each of the last two seasons, Centenary held off the Bulldogs 76-70 to reach the conference finals for the first time since 2015. Travion Kirkendoll led all scorers with 28 points, Kaharri Carter added 14 as four of Gents starters reached double digits.   TLU got 18 from Jacob Kouremetis and 15 off the bench from Alex Cage.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
Schreiner beat Centenary for the Pool A bid.

So, if Schreiner placed a bid to host the tourney, they are within 500 miles of Sul Ross (ASC Pool A) and would be within 500 miles for either LeTU or ETBU as a Pool C bid.

That would only mean one flight to Texas!

Or only Sully and Schreiner earn bids from this part of the country and both are shipped out!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: guest323 on February 26, 2018, 01:35:04 AM
Connor is the lowest paid coach in the conference - give the man a raise!!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2018, 06:51:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
Schreiner beat Centenary for the Pool A bid.

So, if Schreiner placed a bid to host the tourney, they are within 500 miles of Sul Ross (ASC Pool A) and would be within 500 miles for either LeTU or ETBU as a Pool C bid.

That would only mean one flight to Texas!

Or only Sully and Schreiner earn bids from this part of the country and both are shipped out!
D3h projects (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2018/projected-mens-bracket) ETBU as the first team on the table from the region but doesn't see them getting past that point, and sends both Sully and Schreiner to California to almost certain quick deaths at Whitman.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2018, 09:13:16 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2018, 06:51:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
Schreiner beat Centenary for the Pool A bid.

So, if Schreiner placed a bid to host the tourney, they are within 500 miles of Sul Ross (ASC Pool A) and would be within 500 miles for either LeTU or ETBU as a Pool C bid.

That would only mean one flight to Texas!

Or only Sully and Schreiner earn bids from this part of the country and both are shipped out!
D3h projects (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2018/projected-mens-bracket) ETBU as the first team on the table from the region but doesn't see them getting past that point, and sends both Sully and Schreiner to California to almost certain quick deaths at Whitman.

Washington.  Whitman and Whitworth are in Washington.

Also, it's far more likely Schreiner goes there and Sul Ross gets sent someplace north or east - it saves them a flight to keep Whitworth up there.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2018, 09:48:54 AM
Washington, Cali, it's all the West Coast to me ;-)

Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:30:26 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2018, 05:26:35 PM
We had an interesting discussion about seeding, hosting and bracketing on the Top 25 message board.

I have "quoted" this post from Dave McHugh for general consideration. 

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2018, 02:05:25 PM
Schreiner would have been the solution. CMS didn't do anything to the bracket to force anything because a California school was coming out no matter what the equation.

It appears that even Schreiner (15-12) would have been favorably considered as a host site for the first week of playoffs because of "geographical  proximity".

SRSU and LeTU could have bussed to Schreiner and the committee could have flown Whitworth out of Washington and into a separate bracket away from conference-mate Whitman.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2018, 12:52:04 PM
Nice incoming class for Trinity ... with only 3 losses to graduation it will be a challenge to find playing time, but a nice problem to have.   In reverse Twitter order:

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: guest323 on November 08, 2018, 01:12:28 AM
Looks like University of Dallas lost the national ROY (Spencer Levi)
https://uncpbraves.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7008
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2018, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: guest323 on November 08, 2018, 01:12:28 AM
Looks like University of Dallas lost the national ROY (Spencer Levi)
https://uncpbraves.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7008

They did - thus we didn't consider him for preseason All-America either.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 08, 2018, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2018, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: guest323 on November 08, 2018, 01:12:28 AM
Looks like University of Dallas lost the national ROY (Spencer Levi)
https://uncpbraves.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7008

They did - thus we didn't consider him for preseason All-America either.

Yeah, I was surprised about that when I didn't see him on the Preseason AA. I guess I didn't put two and two together.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2018, 03:10:17 PM
He was surely a one-man wrecking crew at times last season and will be sorely missed by UD. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2019, 04:30:35 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:18:50 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2019, 04:34:41 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:26:15 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:41:21 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: guest323 on April 03, 2019, 03:47:53 PM
Southwestern just opened
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2019, 08:05:51 PM
Wow.  If you have the Fox regional networks you can watch Southwestern open at TCU right now.  The announcers, doing the usual amount of research, said "we don't know a lot about this team.  It has 21 players."  Hope they weren't paid too much for that in-depth analysis.

SW up 3-2.  Oops, not any more.

Did not realize Coach kuykendall (sp) came over from Schreiner in the off-season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2019, 10:58:51 PM
Southwestern game is an exhibition, just to be clear. I see "they opened tonight" and I get a little nervous. :)

They also an exhibition next week against St. Edwards.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2019, 11:01:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2019, 08:05:51 PM
Wow.  If you have the Fox regional networks you can watch Southwestern open at TCU right now.  The announcers, doing the usual amount of research, said "we don't know a lot about this team.  It has 21 players."  Hope they weren't paid too much for that in-depth analysis.

SW up 3-2.  Oops, not any more.

Did not realize Coach kuykendall (sp) came over from Schreiner in the off-season.

The Pirates acquitted themselves well, trailing by only five at half before succumbing 83-62.  Yeah, it's an "exhibition" from the D3 POV but not the D1.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2019, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2019, 11:01:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2019, 08:05:51 PM
Wow.  If you have the Fox regional networks you can watch Southwestern open at TCU right now.  The announcers, doing the usual amount of research, said "we don't know a lot about this team.  It has 21 players."  Hope they weren't paid too much for that in-depth analysis.

SW up 3-2.  Oops, not any more.

Did not realize Coach kuykendall (sp) came over from Schreiner in the off-season.

The Pirates acquitted themselves well, trailing by only five at half before succumbing 83-62.  Yeah, it's an "exhibition" from the D3 POV but not the D1.

Well as I told tonight (and need to check) ... not all D1s are playing real games even after the season starts. I have to double-check some things.

To be clear, my point was I thought after the D1 season started they couldn't play exhibitions (for them; D3s can still call them that), but I have found that may not be a factual thought. TCU may have it as a real game - just wanted to clarify it isn't always the case across the board.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2019, 06:42:46 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh
Well as I told tonight (and need to check) ... not all D1s are playing real games even after the season starts. I have to double-check some things.

To be clear, my point was I thought after the D1 season started they couldn't play exhibitions (for them; D3s can still call them that), but I have found that may not be a factual thought. TCU may have it as a real game - just wanted to clarify it isn't always the case across the board.

Here's the ESPN game story (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=401169599) (because how often do D3 teams get anything in national media) - the SCAC gets a mention, holla!.  Southwestern actually outrebounded TCU in the game.  Story also confirms it counted for TCU but not SW.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 08, 2019, 08:41:29 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2019, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2019, 11:01:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2019, 08:05:51 PM
Wow.  If you have the Fox regional networks you can watch Southwestern open at TCU right now.  The announcers, doing the usual amount of research, said "we don't know a lot about this team.  It has 21 players."  Hope they weren't paid too much for that in-depth analysis.

SW up 3-2.  Oops, not any more.

Did not realize Coach kuykendall (sp) came over from Schreiner in the off-season.

The Pirates acquitted themselves well, trailing by only five at half before succumbing 83-62.  Yeah, it's an "exhibition" from the D3 POV but not the D1.

Well as I told tonight (and need to check) ... not all D1s are playing real games even after the season starts. I have to double-check some things.

To be clear, my point was I thought after the D1 season started they couldn't play exhibitions (for them; D3s can still call them that), but I have found that may not be a factual thought. TCU may have it as a real game - just wanted to clarify it isn't always the case across the board.

The St. Peter's - NJCU game last night was definitely an exhibition for both sides.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 18, 2020, 08:52:37 PM
Trinity's Pat Cunningham picked up his 500th win in tonight's 85-82 victory over Colorado College.

https://twitter.com/TU_Basketball/status/1218711546194530305
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2020, 01:23:20 PM
And speaking of Trinity, they got a nice upset over TLU (the defacto conference leader since St. Thomas is ineligible in the second year of their D3 transition), 87-79.  Helps when you outshoot your opponent by a 56-40% margin and your bench has a 26-6 scoring margin.   TLU, at 7-3, is still 1.5 games up on three teams (Dallas, Austin, Trinity) at 5-4.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 25, 2020, 09:00:04 PM
I'll jump over into the men's section as well - Austin College has quietly won 6 of their last 7, after starting the year 3-7. They're up to 9-8 overall and 6-4 in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:15:44 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:14:25 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 20, 2020, 02:18:07 PM
Big weekend in the SCAC in terms of seeding coming up. Austin College and Centenary play tomorrow night for what would, if you took St. Thomas out of the equation since they're not eligible for the postseason, essentially be for the regular season title. But as St. Thomas DOES factor into the standings, and Centenary beat them, the 'Roos have to beat both teams this weekend to lock up the top seed. That said, there's so much parity in the league this year that I don't think seedings really matter. This feels like a year when you might see a 5 or 6 seed cut down the nets.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2020, 05:01:13 PM
Interesting that the conference crowned St. Thomas as regular season champions when they weren't eligible for the tournament.  They'll play in the Division I (scholarship) bracket of the USCAA Tournament, where they're ranked third in the country.

There is a photo of the commish awarding them their trophy, along with eight framed jerseys.   As you might expect six of those represent the seniors on the team, but there's also one for a sophomore and another for a first-year.   Should make for an interesting second SCAC season for the Celts.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 24, 2020, 06:06:14 PM
With the teams actually in the tournament, Centenary is obviously the favorite and AC isn't too far behind, but 1 through 6, it wouldn't surprise me if any of the teams in the field cuts down the nets. So much parity this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:38:29 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 08, 2020, 08:43:46 AM
Trinity's Pat Cunningham is retiring.  https://trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/200306_mbkb_cunningham
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 17, 2020, 05:27:23 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 18, 2020, 08:38:47 AM
Interesting to hear that Coach Cunningham's retirement at Trinity was 'not his choice.'  Thanks for having him on the show last night, Dave.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 18, 2020, 04:47:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 18, 2020, 08:38:47 AM
Interesting to hear that Coach Cunningham's retirement at Trinity was 'not his choice.'  Thanks for having him on the show last night, Dave.

Always happy to have him on. I wasn't sure if he would indicate the choice ... but he did without hesitation. I wondered how many would pick up on that.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 16, 2020, 11:27:24 PM
Trinity brings Jimmy Smith back to the SCAC after three years at Millsaps.  Four years at Schreiner and TLU (SCAC champs both years at TLU) and a four-year career at UMHB means he knows the territory.  Promises an up-tempo game which should be exciting for the guys after the deliberate style favored by Coach C. 

https://trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/200416_smith_hire
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 17, 2020, 01:27:02 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 16, 2020, 11:27:24 PM
Trinity brings Jimmy Smith back to the SCAC after three years at Millsaps.  Four years at Schreiner and TLU (SCAC champs both years at TLU) and a four-year career at UMHB means he knows the territory.  Promises an up-tempo game which should be exciting for the guys after the deliberate style favored by Coach C. 

https://trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/releases/200416_smith_hire

If he stays around ... Jimmy is known to jump ship often and after just a few years. I have liked Jimmy, but his jumping from programs quickly has always had me shake my head.

Also ... not sure why, but his alma mater's job was open. I will be interested to hear why he didn't end up there.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 19, 2020, 11:04:08 AM
Very true, Dave.  My hope is that, if he does leave in 2-3 years, that he gets the program back on the right track so that it will be more appealing to the next coach.  His history does show that programs do show good improvement during each of his short stays.

With re UMHB, that position didn't open until nearly 3 weeks after Trinity (officially, anyway) and it may have been take the bird in the hand vs the one in the bush.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 19, 2020, 10:56:30 PM
This would definitely be an offseason for taking the bird in the hand.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 10, 2020, 09:34:20 PM
Millsaps rising soph G Kaleb Jenkins is apparently following Coach Smith to Trinity per his tweet (RT'd by TUMBB):

https://twitter.com/5_KJ_5/status/1259607528238964736

As a first-year the 5'9" Jenkins averaged 11.5 points, 4.8 boards, and 3.5 assists in 25 minutes per game this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CCTigers on May 11, 2020, 06:07:25 PM
Colorado College has announced their incoming recruiting class on their Twitter and Instagram. 4 person class, two from Colorado, two from elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/CCMensBBall/status/1259886200506048513
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 12, 2020, 08:25:24 AM
Quote from: CCTigers on May 11, 2020, 06:07:25 PM
Colorado College has announced their incoming recruiting class on their Twitter and Instagram. 4 person class, two from Colorado, two from elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/CCMensBBall/status/1259886200506048513

Does CC have a coach yet?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CCTigers on May 12, 2020, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 12, 2020, 08:25:24 AM
Does CC have a coach yet?

Not that I know of
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 12, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
Quote from: CCTigers on May 12, 2020, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 12, 2020, 08:25:24 AM
Does CC have a coach yet?

Not that I know of

Boy, that makes it tough to recruit.   And trying to find someone to replace Coach Partee with everything that's going on - good luck (with all sincerity). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CCTigers on May 25, 2020, 01:20:25 PM
Congrats to Jeff Conarroe '99 for accepting the Head Coaching position at CC!

https://cctigers.com/news/2020/5/23/former-tiger-jeff-conarroe-returns-to-cc-as-mens-basketball-coach.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 12, 2020, 10:04:15 AM
Trinity has hired Sterling Holmes to assist Jimmy Smith.  Holmes was a volunteer assistant for TU last season and played for Smith at TLU.  He was a player development intern for the Dallas Mavericks in the 2018-19 season and an assistant at TLU the year before that; SCAC PoTY and NABC second-team A-A as a junior in 2015-16.

https://trinitytigers.com/sports/athl-misc/200611_asst_mbkb

Edit:  Ross Burt and the other assistants on last year's team have apparently been let go, as Smith and Holmes are the only coaches shown on the TU web site.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 25, 2020, 05:07:59 PM

SCAC back to nine after next year.  JWU closing the Denver campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on June 26, 2020, 10:03:17 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 25, 2020, 05:07:59 PM

SCAC back to nine after next year.  JWU closing the Denver campus.

Unfortunately, back to nine immediately. JWU is shutting down its athletics programs.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2020, 05:06:38 PM
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The off season has hit August and with it has come news of Division III Fall Championships being canceled for the same reason Winter Championships were derailed and Spring Championships pulled earlier this year: COVID 19 Pandemic.

The decision came on the heals of a vast majority of DIII institutions curtailing fall sports and many pushing winter sports starts on their campuses until January at the earliest.

What does this mean for the 2020-21 season of college basketball? Specifically what does it mean for Division III? Will there be a basketball season? Will it be a six-week-or-so-sprint? Or is there a way to adjust things?

On the Mid-Summer edition of the Hoopsville Podcast, we try and get some answers to those questions. We talk to one coach who actually has put together a proposal to start the season in January, with some changes to make it work including crowning a champion in April. And we talk to an administrator who also serves on the DIII Management Council to better under stand the decisions made to cancel championships and if shift a season like basketball is even possible.

Plus, we honor the best of the best in the last decade of Division III women's basketball. Gordon Mann joins us to discuss how the 2nd D3hoops.com Women's All-Decade came together (and hints of work on the men's list).

Guests include:
- Philip Ponder, Oglethorpe men's coach
- Jason Fein, Bates Athletics Director and DIII Management Council member
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. A few things we take note of that have made headlines since the beginning of July. We also tip our hat to a few of those who have always helped the show be it's best.

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2020, 03:52:09 PM
While this story focuses primarily on the Trinity's SAA football schedule there is some discussion of SCAC scheduling and a timeline (around Thanksgiving):   https://www.trinitonian.com/at-long-last-sports-on-the-verge-of-returning-to-trinity/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 02, 2020, 03:24:47 PM
Continuing a proud tradition of talking to myself (and maybe @d3hoops), the SCAC is apparently about to complete a rebranding from a number of recent twitter posts recently made by the home office (e.g. https://twitter.com/SCAC_Sports/status/1333853264937422848).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2020, 03:49:05 PM
From the looks of that, I am guessing we are talking about a new logo? Can't imagine they move away from the SCAC name as it has some longevity and is still pretty accurate.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2020, 07:04:35 PM
Maybe with the CAC changing to the C2C the SCAC sees the chance to move back to CAC ... LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 02, 2020, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2020, 03:49:05 PM
From the looks of that, I am guessing we are talking about a new logo? Can't imagine they move away from the SCAC name as it has some longevity and is still pretty accurate.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2020, 07:04:35 PM
Maybe with the CAC changing to the C2C the SCAC sees the chance to move back to CAC ... LOL

They're using #SCACNewEra as a hashtag so can't imagine they'd be changing that, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 03, 2020, 08:21:51 AM

Although, it would set us up for some good headlines if anyone repeats as champion this year:

Back to Back in SCAC to CAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 04, 2020, 05:46:04 PM
#SCACNewEra is a slightly refreshed logo and related materials.  ;D But now I know the official Pantone SCAC Blue and Gold colors.  ;D   https://www.scacsports.com/news/2020-2021/scac_new_logo
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 13, 2021, 03:02:19 PM
SCAC pre-season poll is out:

https://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2020-21/releases/PreseasonPoll

1.   University of St. Thomas (5) - 59
2.   Texas Lutheran University (3) - 58
3.   Centenary College (1) - 49
4.   University of Dallas - 35
   Trinity University  - 35
6.   Schreiner University  - 34
7.   Southwestern University  - 22
8.   Austin College - 21
9.   Colorado College - 11
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 15, 2021, 12:41:46 PM
Both Schreiner/Southwestern games this weekend have been cancelled (due to COVID protocols, per Schreiner's web site), so Trinity and St. Thomas will kick off the men's season tonight at 7pm CST in Houston.  TLU at Centenary and Dallas at Austin will tip off an hour later.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 15, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
I mean, I guess we had to know this was coming but the very first day of games... woof. And potentially impacts next weekend, too, since you would think the team with positives is going to need to go on pause for 10-14 days, which knocks out next weekends slate. At least, that's the assumption I'm working under.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2021, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: jekelish on January 15, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
I mean, I guess we had to know this was coming but the very first day of games... woof. And potentially impacts next weekend, too, since you would think the team with positives is going to need to go on pause for 10-14 days, which knocks out next weekends slate. At least, that's the assumption I'm working under.

I am told not all teams are doing the full team isolation thing. I can't speak to these teams at all, but I've been told some are just isolating those who tested positive.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 16, 2021, 01:03:42 AM
Exciting game in Sherman tonight. Austin College led for 39:57 out of 40 minutes, but needed a buzzer beating three to win since Dallas picked what seemed like the perfect time to take their first lead with 2.7 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2021, 07:32:11 PM
The Jimmy Smith era is off to a promising start at Trinity.  After yesterday's somewhat disappointing ending, where the team led deep into the fourth quarter but could not hold off pre-season favorite St. Thomas, today saw the Tigers keep it close down the stretch and convert their free throws while taking advantage of Celt misses in a 77-73 win.  Sophomore Kaleb Jenkins was the main beneficiary of late free throws, converting 9-11 on the day on his way to 19 points.  First-year Tanner Brown added 17 including 4-6 from distance.    Both came off the bench, which contributed 52 of 77 points in the victory. 

Trinity returns home next weekend for a pair of games against Colorado College, who will open their season in San Antonio. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on January 17, 2021, 12:43:27 PM
Another good win for Austin College over Dallas. The Crusaders were down a couple players, but still two good wins for the team picked to finish 8th over the team picked to finish 4th. The 'Roos don't have a lot of size, but they are FAST and if you can't either run with them or dictate the tempo yourself, you could be in a little bit of trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2021, 07:16:26 PM
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The Division III basketball season technically started nearly three months ago, but it has taken until the end of January for it to start feeling like the season is really underway. Even so, only about a quarter of the division has played just a single game. Another quarter of the division will never take to the court. And in between is wide gulf of different options.

On the first video-version of Hoopsville this season, Dave McHugh is joined by much of the D3hoops.com crew, Pat Coleman and Ryan Scott, to react to what has been one of the more unique seasons ... to say it lightly.

We react to the challenges schools are facing, what coaches are grappling with on a daily basis - especially beyond games and practices, and why schools are making so many different decisions.

We also discuss what is likely the future of this season's NCAA Championship Tournaments and, more importantly, when the decision on those tournaments will be made.

Plus, will there be a Top 25? No. Well, yes. Kind of. Tune in to learn more on what's coming. Plus a lot more including Dave spinning off Pat's thoughts on those wishing to attend games.

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Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 30, 2021, 03:52:43 AM
The SCAC on Friday released a Fan Policy Update (https://www.scacsports.com/news/2020-2021/covid19_update8) which reiterates no fans will be allowed to attend on-campus or championship events for the foreseeable future, with next month's Swimming/Diving and Cross-Country championships specifically mentioned. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:46:08 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 08, 2021, 02:44:32 PM
Halfway through the COVID-shortened season the SCAC men's race is in an interesting place.   Trinity and St. Thomas are tied at the top of the league at 5-1; you'd expect to see one of those teams there, and the other resides in San Antonio.   The two split opening weekend and have continued winning since, although Trinity had to pull a rabbit out of their hat to win their last game against TLU.  Southwestern and Centenary are half a game back at 4-2, Austin is the only team at 3-3, followed by TLU (2-4), Schreiner (1-3 thanks to a COVID week), Dallas (2-6) and Colorado (0-4, again thanks to week 1 COVID).  Colorado has a mid-week set at Centenary today and tomorrow. 

This weekend Austin comes to town to face Trinity,  Colorado returns home to face Schreiner, St. Thomas is at TLU, while Southwestern faces Dallas.    After that, Trinity will have Southwestern (away) and Schreiner (home); St. Thomas,  Colorado (Home) and Centenary (away); Southwestern is done after facing Trinity; Centenary is at Austin before coming home for St. Thomas.   Austin will finish at TLU.   
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2021, 11:48:39 AM
Decent interview with TU coach Smith (https://trinitonian.com/2021/02/10/coachs-corner-jimmy-smith/) in the student newspaper this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 12, 2021, 08:11:01 AM
The weekend set at Colorado against Schreiner has been cancelled "Due to COVID-19 concerns" (source, Schreiner MBB Twitter (https://twitter.com/SchreinerMBB/status/1359935671075561476)).

Austin's game at Trinity (for both men and women) today has been cancelled.   They are still going to try playing tomorrow.   There was a lot of freezing precip up and down the I-35 corridor and travel yesterday was quite difficult - and will not improve until later today as temperatures in the Dallas area won't rise above freezing until mid-day.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 16, 2021, 08:53:43 PM
All SCAC competition cancelled through next Monday due to weather (and likely power) concerns.  https://www.scacsports.com/news/2020-2021/02_21_21_weather_suspension
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 16, 2021, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 16, 2021, 08:53:43 PM
All SCAC competition cancelled through next Monday due to weather (and likely power) concerns.  https://www.scacsports.com/news/2020-2021/02_21_21_weather_suspension

Probably Covid testing concerns, as well, given both of those factors (weather and power) have probably impacted teams' abilities to get tested this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 28, 2021, 08:27:36 AM
With one game remaining, the seedings for the first round of next week's conference championships are almost set:

(8) Schreiner (2-6) at (1) Trinity (8-1)
(7) Dallas (3-6) at (2) St Thomas (7-3)
(6) TLU (4-6) at (3) Centenary (7-3)
(5) Austin (4-5) at (4) Southwestern (4-2)

If Dallas beats 0-7 Colorado College today, they would be 4-6.  No H2H between they and TLU, but in looking at common opponents TLU went 2-2 against St Thomas(1-1) and Centenary (1-1) where Dallas went 1-3 (0-2, 1-1); neither played Trinity.   As far as St. Thomas over Centenary, the two split their series but StT owns a win against Trinity while Centenary did not play them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2021, 03:27:50 PM
COVID issues have resulted in #8 Schreiner at #1 Trinity being moved to Sunday.

https://twitter.com/SCAC_Sports/status/1367931672738492418
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 08, 2021, 08:53:46 AM
One upset in Week 1 of the SCAC championships, and the games were all competitive

@ #1 Trinity 84, #8 Schreiner 81
@ #2 St Thomas 84, #7 Schreiner 76
@ #3 Centenary 62, #6 TLU 59
#5 Austin 84, @ #4 Southwestern 72

This week's semis:

#5 Austin @ #1 Trinity (Trinity 1-0 in regular season; game played at Trinity)
#3 Centenary @ #2 St Thomas (1-1 in regular season with games decided by a total of 5 points, but games were at Centenary)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 11, 2021, 03:38:04 PM
All-SCAC teams (https://www.scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2020-21/releases/21allscac) have been announced.

POTY:   Kaleb Jenkins (Soph. G), Trinity
Newcomer:   Adam Kanafani (FY G/F), St. Thomas
DPOY:  Cameron Gims (Jr. G), St. Thomas
COTY (tie):  Anthony Media, St. Thomas; Jimmy Smith, Trinity

1st Team:
Kaleb Jenkins, Trinity, 5-10, So., Guard, New Orleans, La.
Kyle Poerschke, Southwestern, 6-4, Jr., Guard, Houston, Texas
Seth Thomas, Centenary, 6-5, So., Forward, Kilgore, Texas
Jai Love, Dallas, 5-9, Jr., Guard, St. Louis, Mo.
Michael Holland, Austin College, 6-3, Sr., Forward, Waxahachie, Texas
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 14, 2021, 04:27:34 PM
It'll be #2 St. Thomas at #1 Trinity for the SCAC championship after both won this weekend.  Lots of fouls called today in Trinity's 80-68 win over Austin with several players fouling out (prior to the end-of-game foulathon) and a number with four.

The Celts were the only team to defeat Trinity (in the first game of the regular season) and if memory serves the Tigers pulled out the second game at the last second.  Should be a good one!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 22, 2021, 09:45:19 AM
Yesterday's SCAC championship was a close, tight game until St. Thomas went on a three-point shooting spree midway through the fourth quarter and pulled away for a 80-66 victory on Trinity's home floor to win their first SCAC championship as a school.   

It was 61-60 St. Thomas after Kaleb Jenkins hit a layup with 6:24 to play.  UST's Cameron Gims and Freddie Ricks hit threes on 5 of the next 7 possessions while Trinity went cold from the field and never recovered.

Tournament MVP:  Juan Hood, UST, game high 24 points yesterday.
All-Tournament:  UST's Christian Alaekwe (21 points, 7 rebounds) and Cameron Gims (18 points, 11 boards); Trinity's Enzo Sechi (17 points) and AJ Clark (13 rebounds, 9 points); Austin's Michael Holland.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2021, 01:06:46 PM
The SCAC announced its 30th anniversary basketball teams (https://www.scacsports.com/awardsHonors/anniversary30/mbkb) yesterday.   As a reminder, the 30th anniversary teams cover just the last 15 years, as the conference announced similar all-star teams during the 2005-6 academic year.

Travion Kirkendoll, Centenary College
James Sapp, Centenary College **
Keenan Gumbs, Schreiner University *
Sterling Holmes, Texas Lutheran University *
CooXooEii Black, Colorado College
Ryan Milne, Colorado College
Matt Nestheide, Centre College
Jonathan Blount, Centenary College **
Mike Moore, DePauw University *
Nick Rose, Colorado College *
Cedric Harris, Centenary College *
Chris Lesnansky, Colorado College
Todd Ward, Oglethorpe University
Andrew King, Hendrix College
Edrick Montgomery, Millsaps College

* - SCAC Player-of-the-Year honor(s)

Details about the careers of these outstanding performers are available at the link above.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 23, 2021, 02:47:37 PM
Four Trinity men's players spent part of their off-season helping the USA Basketball 3x3 women's team prepare for this month's Olympics, working with them in San Antonio, North Carolina, and Las Vegas:   

https://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20210723j2ojiw
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2021, 12:07:00 AM
Trinity has their largest class of first years in recent memory, and there's some size on them (for Trinity, anyway), too:


30Kai AllenGFY6-4Zurich, Switzerland / Zurich International-
21Cole AndersonFFY6-7Mont Belvieu,Texas / Barbers HillEngineering
20Braxton BarryFFY6-8Houston, Texas / Westbury ChristianAccounting
1Elijah De La GarzaGFY5-10Mission, Texas / PSJA NorthBusiness
10Jacob HarveyGFY5-11Huffman, Texas / HargravePsychology
42Grant JacobsFFY6-4New Braunfels, Texas / New BraunfelsEngineering Sciences
25Jaxson KapelluschFFY6-7Bedford, Texas / TrinityElectrical Engineering
15Pierce Mathews FY6-4Cypress, Texas / Cy Woods-
14Jacob MillhouseGFY6-3Plano, Texas / IndependenceBiology
32Jules NunnFFY6-6Houston, Texas / St. John'sBusiness
45Nathan ThompsonFFY6-9Austin, Texas / BowieEngineering Science

Also a transfer from Platt who averaged 20ppg in both his freshman and sophomore seasons, Griffin Levine (https://goprattgo.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/griffin-levine/1093), a junior 5'9" SG.   Platt did not ball last spring. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Confere
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2021, 11:27:57 PM
Kudos for TLU for taking on UT in exhibition tonight and hope they got a good check in the process.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2021, 08:46:36 AM
Year 2 of the Jimmy Smith era at Trinity shows a decidedly different non-conference schedule (https://trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/schedule).   After opening at home Sunday with Sul Ross, the Tigers will make the short bus ride across town to take on D1 foe UTSA in exhibition play.  I'm not sure but this may be the first time the two have played (which the UTSA website confirms).   Birmingham-Southern and Carleton visit Thanksgiving weekend, Alma and Calvin do as well before Christmas, and Trinity makes the even shorter bus trip to play D1 Incarnate Word in exhibition just before year's end.   In between Trinity travels to Abilene for a pair against HSU and McMurry and opens conference play at Schreiner the first of December. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on November 10, 2021, 06:31:51 PM
Fun game last night at UTSA.  It was a given that UTSA would eventually prevail, but TU played very well, especially early.  UTSA just had too much size and owned the boards in the 2nd half.

Great crowd that was welcoming to the Tigers.  It'd be nice if this became a recurring event.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2021, 04:54:22 PM
Trinity's hot start to the season (non-D1 edition) continued this weekend with wins over Concordia (95-82) and formerly undefeated UT-Dallas, 95-62.  The Tigers are playing an uptempo game with plenty of penetration, unlike years past when the name of the game was swing the ball around the perimeter ad nauseum before jacking up a long jumper.   Four players are averaging double figures, Tanner Brown (13.0 ppg on 53% shooting), Enzo Sechi (12.4/51.1%) and Kaleb Jenkins (10.8/47.1%).   The leading player off the bench is first year Jacob Harvey, averaging just over 10 ppg while shooting over 60%.   After a 5-0 run through the ASC, Trinity will enjoy some turkey at home before hosting B-SC (2-2) on Friday, followed by Carleton (1-1) on Saturday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2021, 07:34:44 PM
Make it 6-0 for Trinity with a 108-76 win over visiting Birmingham-Southern.  Kaleb Jenkins and AJ Clark had 17 each, and Enzo Sechi had 15 and 7 as the Tigers shot over 56% on the evening while holding the Panthers under 38%. 

I went looking through the archives to see the last time Trinity had 100 or more points - 101 in a 2OT win at Southwestern in 2018.  I can't find any other time going all the way back to 2006 2002 that they hit triple digits.

Edit 2:  Thanks to @SCAC_Sports' Winter Record Book (https://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/record_book_files/2021-22/2021-22_Winter_Record_Book.pdf):
- last 100 point performance in regulation:  12/18/99, 104-76 W vs. Schreiner
- last 108+ point performance:  11/24/92, 109-70 vs. UDallas
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2021, 07:05:19 PM
Trinity loses its first game of the year to Carleton, 103-100.  Too many missed FTs (17-28) and Carleton hit 46% of their threes (13-28).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 29, 2021, 06:57:09 AM
Trinity's exhibition against D1 Incarnate Word (a game they easily could have won, as UIW has struggled and lost earlier this season to Concordia [TX]) has been cancelled due to COVID protocols (https://trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20211228k9x393).   The game will not be rescheduled.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 29, 2021, 10:00:20 AM
Covid-19 protocols also cancelled Texas Lutheran's game against Concordia (TX) yesterday. They cancelled just hours before tip-off, and according to the release (link below) TLU's game against Centenary on Saturday has not been impacted (according to TLU's release), though Concordia's release noted that the game was cancelled "due to COVID-19-related issues on the Texas Lutheran men's basketball team."

https://athletics.concordia.edu/news/2021/12/28/mens-basketballs-game-against-texas-lutheran-canceled.aspx

https://tlubulldogs.com/general/2021-22/releases/20211228gze4ni
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 29, 2021, 10:44:20 AM

New CDC guidelines call for just 5 days of quarantine for asymptomatic vaccinated individuals who test positive, so that should help teams quite a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WUPHF on December 29, 2021, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 29, 2021, 10:44:20 AM

New CDC guidelines call for just 5 days of quarantine for asymptomatic vaccinated individuals who test positive, so that should help teams quite a bit.

And no testing at the end of the quarantine.

This change is good, but long overdue based on the science.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2022, 03:12:13 PM
Closing in on midway through conference play and St. Thomas, on the strength of a four game winning streak, has the early lead at 5-1 with all but one of those wins coming at home.  Schreiner, winners of five straight including the only SCAC home loss for St. Thomas, is second at 5-2 with Trinity in third at 4-2.  Texas Lutheran, battling COVID, is next at 2-1 but will have to make up three or four games in the next few weeks. 

Trinity, already known as a second half team this season, has really struggled early in its last two games resulting in a loss at St. Thomas on Thursday and a comeback win yesterday at Colorado College.  Against the Celts the Tigers were a turnover factory (26 in the game) and could not buy a basket early, trailing 30-13 at the half.  The margin remained around that with the Celt lead still 17 with 8:39 remaining.  First-year Jacob Harvey did his best to rally the Tigers, with several steals, a couple of layups, a three, and two FTs as the lead was trimmed to three, 49-46 with 2:10 to play.  That was a close as the visitors would come as St Thomas would hit six free throws in the final 18 seconds in a 59-51 win.  The Celts' Christian Alaekwe led all scorers with 18, Andrew Nguyen added 13, and Andrew Adebo had 10 boards as St. Thomas outrebounded Trinity 46-30.  Harvey's 12 points (in 16 minutes) and AJ Clark's 10 led Trinity.

Two days later it was almost a case of deja vu all over again as Colorado College sprinted out to an early 11-0 lead before Jacob Harvey would score Trinity's first points on a layup four minutes in.  CC would extend the lead to as many as 17 after two Edgar Romero FTs with 8:37 left in the half, and were still up 14 three minutes later, but Trinity would claw their way back into it.  A Harvey three late in the half closed the margin to two before Trinity settled for a five point deficit, 46-41, at half.  The second half saw the teams exchange baskets - or turnovers - until Harvey tied the game up for the first time at 52 with two more FTs just over six minutes in.  It remained close with Trinity gradually pulling away until Enzo Sechi's three made it 70-63 with 6:20 to play, but the home Tigers would tie it back up at 76 when Scott Cunningham hit a layup with 91 seconds remaining.  They would have several chances to score from that point as Trinity turned the ball over twice, sandwiching Sechi's layup with 33 seconds left, but Colorado missed two threes and turned the ball over with 6 seconds left, forcing the team to foul Sechi who hit both FTs for the final margin.

Sechi and Harvey led all scorers with 19 each, and AJ Clark, the only starter to score for Trinity, added 13.  It looks like Coach Smith shook up the starting lineup to make a point after Thursday's performance, but of the five starters only Clark would see more than 11 minutes on the court.  Colorado had four starters in double figures, led by 17 from Scott Ruegg, 16 from Jack McRoskey, and 11 each by Adrian Price and Edgar Romero.  Trinity enjoyed a robust 30-16 advantage at the line.

COVID willing, the three teams will meet again in San Antonio later this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2022, 08:58:32 AM
One week later and there has been a bit of change at the top of the SCAC leaderboard.  St. Thomas played Trinity in San Antonio for the second time in a week and this time the Tigers would come out on top, 64-55. 

Once again, Trinity got off to one of their patented slow first half, though this time they would lead 11-6 off an Enzo Sechi three 5 1/2 minutes into the game before going into their slump.  The Celts would outscore Trinity 25-10 over the next 13 minutes before Trinity would go on a 6-2 run to close out the half to trail by six at the break, 33-27.  Christian Alaekwe had 15 for the Celts, Enzo Sechi 12 for Trinity.  Trinity took their first lead since early in the game after scoring the first seven points coming out of the locker room, thanks in no small part to increased defensive pressure which resulted in turnovers on the first two Celt possessions.  St. Thomas would retake the lead almost immediately on a Alaekwe three and slowly extended their lead to nine at 46-37 after Cameron Gims hit a layup eight-plus minutes into the quarter.  It would take the Tigers just over a minute to tie it back up, and the game would remain tight as with under two minutes to go Alaekwe would hit one of two free throws to put St Thomas up by one.  That would be the last points scored by the Celts as Kaleb Jenkins, who played a huge role down the stretch for Trinity, would come up with a couple of key rebounds, the last of which with five seconds to go resulted in a foul call on Gims which ended up in four free throws after Gims, who had fouled out, said something not to the officials' liking.  Jenkins hit all four which resulted in the final nine point margin.  His 16 points would trail only Sechi's 17 for Trinity, and his eight rebounds - as the shortest player on the floor - would lead the team.  Christian Alaekwe would lead all players with 21 points and 9 boards, but he had little help as no other Celt was in double figures. 

The game yesterday against Colorado College was not nearly as exciting, though the visitors hung in there for a half, taking a 36-35 lead at halftime before Trinity got their offense going in another nine-point win.  Unfortunately for those in attendance (raises hand) the referees decided to call this game very tightly (52 fouls) and while nobody surprisingly fouled out, the resulting parade to the free throw lines made the game very hard to watch (and play, no doubt).  Colorado bore the brunt on most of the calls; Trinity ended up shooting 46 free throws to CC's 18 as a result.  Sechi and Jenkins would share the scoring honors, both with 15, while Scott Cunningham would come of the bench to lead Colorado with 16. 

St. Thomas also defeated Schreiner on Sunday, so they are tied with Trinity at the top of the conference with two losses to Schreiner's 3.  Trinity still has one game left with the Mountaineers next month. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:55:47 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2022, 09:30:34 AM
SCAC championships begin today at Austin College - broadcast and stat links are here (https://scacsports.prestosports.com/tournament/winter/basketball/22championships/index). 

Today:
noon CST:  #4 TLU (10-14/8-8 SCAC) vs #5 Centenary (12-12, 7-9 SCAC)
2pm CST:  #3 Schreiner (14-11/12-4 SCAC) vs #6 Southwestern (9-16, 6-10 SCAC)

Tomorrow:
noon CST:  #1 St. Thomas (20-5/14-2 SCAC) vs #4/#5 winner
2pm CST:  #2 Trinity (21-4/13-3 SCAC) vs #3/#6 winner

Sunday:
noon CST:  Saturday winners for championship

St. Thomas is on a nine-game winning streak, including an OT win over TLU in Seguin a little over a week ago.  Their last loss was to Trinity immediately before the streak began.  For their part, the Bulldogs have won four of five, spurred by an upset at Trinity the week before.  That loss was Trinity's sole defeat in their last eleven games.

I can't find the post/tweet, but with St. Thomas in the final year of their transition to D3, they're not eligible for the NCAAs.  If I remember correctly the SCAC has decided to award the Pool A bid not to the championship runners-up but to the regular season runner-up, which means Trinity will be going (on the road as they're not regionally-ranked) regardless of this weekend's results. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2022, 10:37:54 AM
Thanks for the heads-up on that. That led me to dig into it and it seems that is the case only if St. Thomas wins the tournament:

The winner of this year's championship tournament will represent the conference in the NCAA Tournament as the league's automatic qualifier, with one noted exception. In its final season as a NCAA Division III provisional member, if St. Thomas were to win this year's tournament, then the highest-seeded team eligible to participate in the tournament will be selected, which would be Trinity as the No. 2 seeded team.
https://scacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/22bracket_announced

(Yes, Trinity also goes if it wins the tournament.)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2022, 12:33:13 PM
Oops, yes, I made a decently large-sized assumption there, didn't I?  Obviously the winner - if it's not St. Thomas - gets to go to the NCAAs.   Thanks for the reset.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2022, 07:07:21 AM
It was a good day for #5 seeds in the SCAC tournament, as like Austin in the women's side, #5 Centenary gets the mild upset to join #3 Schreiner in the semis later today.   Centenary will face top-seeded St. Thomas and Schreiner will match up with Trinity for the right to meet in Sunday's championship.  The Mountaineers got a tip in off his own miss by Jalen Ned as time expired to defeat Southwestern by a single point. 

Centenary was 0-2 against St. Thomas in the regular season with both games decided by double digits.  The same was true for Schreiner against Trinity despite the first game going to OT before the Tigers pulled away. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2022, 06:06:42 PM
No surprises today in the SCAC semis.  St. Thomas led 15-10 midway through the first half, then went on a 26-9 explosion before the buzzer sounded to take a 43-19 lead at the break.   Schreiner would get no closer than 17 in the second half as the Celts eased to a 75-56 win.   Freddie Ricks III came off the bench to lead the way with 17 points, as did Adam Kanafani who had 14 boards to lead all players.  Tevin Baker had 22 for the Gents, who only managed 19 total rebounds (to St. Thomas' 48), one offensive. 

Trinity and Schreiner got off to an even slower start in which the Tigers didn't score until over three minutes in but still tied it at 3 when Tanner Brown (16 points to lead all scorers) hit the free throw after hitting a layup.  It was 15-13 Trinity halfway through the opening stanza and the Tigers gradually pulled away to take a seven point lead at the half in an increasingly foul-plagued game.  Thanks to some timely three-point shooting the lead would more than double at the second half midpoint and the lead would continue to grow until the end in a 88-65 victory in which 50 fouls were called.   Playing in the final game of a fine career, Schreiner's Alex Dehoyos tied for the team lead with 14 points which were matched by Jalen Ned.  Besides Brown, Trinity would put four players in double figures:  Clark (14), Sechi (11 before fouling out), Jenkins and Harvey (10 each).

And now I can say it:  with the win, Trinity clinches the SCAC pool A bid.  The two teams will face off for the tournament championship tomorrow with Trinity looking to avenge last year's home court loss to St. Thomas. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2022, 04:30:14 PM
As seems to be recent history between the two teams, St. Thomas got out to a huge early lead behind hot three point shooting (11-20 in the first half), Trinity could never find the range and trailed 42-26 at half.  The Tigers cut the six five minutes in, but could not sustain the comeback and trailed by 12 when an iffy tech was called on Kaleb Jenkins. After the free throws and yet another three the lead was up to 17, but Trinity gradually closed it down to six with 3 1/2 minutes left.  Unfortunately that would be the last point for the Tigers as the Celts would go on a 13-0 run from there to take their second straight SCAC tourney championship, 77-58.

Christian Alaekwe had himself a game with 21 points, 11 boards, and three steals.  Andrew Nguyen hit his first five three shots from distance and ended there with 15 points, Cameron Gims had 11 and Juan Hood 10.  The Celts hit nearly half their threes, 15 of 33 (46%).  Trinity got 20 off the bench from Jacob Harvey (7 of 8, three of Trinity's four made threes in five attempts) and 11 from Enzo Sechi, who had an otherwise forgettable day shooting 5 of 18 and 0 for 6 from distance.  Trinity players not named Harvey were ONE OF TWENTY-THREE from beyond the arc, and many of those misses were on wide open looks.

Alaekwe, Gims, and Hood all graduate, along with Freddie Hicks who averages 9 points off the bench.  With the exception of Hood those are the last to participate in NAIA ball before St. Thomas started the transition to D3 - Joshua Sanchez redshirted that season.  It will be interesting to see how the Celts fare next season.  As for Trinity, they probably get to hop on a plane for the NCAAs, but will likely be seeded very poorly after today's result and face a very tough opponent in the first round. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 28, 2022, 12:58:33 PM
Trinity heads to Belton where they will face Whitworth (22-4).  Winner of that game faces the winner of UMHB (25-2) and Chapman (22-4).

Edit:  3pm start on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 04, 2022, 09:28:18 AM
Trinity travels up I-35 to Belton, facing Whitworth this afternoon at 3 pm local time...should be a great contest! Here's what you need to know about the Belton pod:

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/03/previewing-the-belton-pod-umhb-mens-hoops-hosts-opening-rounds-of-ncaa-tournament/
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 04, 2022, 05:47:57 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on March 04, 2022, 09:28:18 AM
Trinity travels up I-35 to Belton, facing Whitworth this afternoon at 3 pm local time...should be a great contest! Here's what you need to know about the Belton pod:

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/03/previewing-the-belton-pod-umhb-mens-hoops-hosts-opening-rounds-of-ncaa-tournament/

The NCAA live video link never worked (grr) but Trinity put on one of their frequent second half blitzes to put away Whitworth, 77-52, outscoring the Pirates 44-22 in the second half.   Tanner Brown led all scorers with 20 as Trinity outshot Whitworth 48%-31% and had a 23-9 advantage at the free throw line.  This was the first win for Trinity in seven games between the two.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on March 04, 2022, 06:01:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 04, 2022, 05:47:57 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on March 04, 2022, 09:28:18 AM
Trinity travels up I-35 to Belton, facing Whitworth this afternoon at 3 pm local time...should be a great contest! Here's what you need to know about the Belton pod:

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/03/previewing-the-belton-pod-umhb-mens-hoops-hosts-opening-rounds-of-ncaa-tournament/

This is a terrific, confidence-building win.  Officiating early in the 2nd half was spotty and could have shut down the momentum, but TU pushed through admirably.  A Tiger-Crusader game tomorrow will be a nice follow to the football contest.  Got a good buddy who teaches at Chapman who tells me they have a wicked 3-point shooter, Hayden Moore, to keep an eye on.

Good stuff!

The NCAA live video link never worked (grr) but Trinity put on one of their frequent second half blitzes to put away Whitworth, 77-52, outscoring the Pirates 44-22 in the second half.   Tanner Brown led all scorers with 20 as Trinity outshot Whitworth 48%-31% and had a 23-9 advantage at the free throw line.  This was the first win for Trinity in seven games between the two.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 01, 2022, 12:01:01 PM
TLU HC Mike Wacker announced his retirement today (https://tlubulldogs.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220531dudu1n), effective immediately.  Health concerns (neuropathy) led him to make the decision after 37 years in the coaching ranks.  His record at TLU was 79-69 in six seasons, including two SCAC tournament titles in 2017 and 2019.  He also had a 703-196 record at the high school level.

It won't be the same without a Wacker at TLU.  Godspeed, coach. 

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 02, 2022, 12:44:03 PM
Current TLU recruiting coordinator and assistant head coach Austin Falke will replace Wacker at TLU (https://tlubulldogs.com/sports/mbkb/2021-22/releases/20220531mqotmi).  Prior to working with Wacker, Falke was an assistant under current Trinity coach Jimmy Smith his first two years at TLU as well as for two years at Schreiner. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 11, 2022, 02:15:14 PM
Fun story about some of the TU ballers (on both the men's and women's side) participating in a D3 group that played in Brazil this summer:   https://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/releases/20220811hfgm1r
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2022, 11:47:55 AM
First d3hoops rankings of the season (https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2022-23/preseason) put Trinity at 18, while St Thomas received votes.   UMHB, ranked second and receiving four first place votes, leads the region.

How did Trinity go from barely receiving votes into the top 25?  One reason: TU returns 5 of their top 6 scorers (Clark and Harvey as super seniors).  St. Thomas, who might have been expected to see more votes after winning the SCAC and posting a 22-5 record last season, loses 3 of 5 (Ricks returns as a super senior). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2022, 03:03:22 PM
And if you exclude the oddity that was the 20-21 season (which saw Trinity 14th of the 15 teams ranked in week 7 of the 8 polls done that year) this is the first Top 25 ranking for the Tigers since the final ranking of the 2008-9 season, when they were 21st.  Those were the closest things to glory years in San Antonio as that was the last of four seasons in a six-year period where they were ranked, topping out at third in the 2005 final poll, after giving eventual national champion UW-SP their closest game in that year's playoffs by far in the sectional final held at UW-SP.

Thank you d3hoops for keeping both an archive of top 25 polls (https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/archive) as well as that championship season (https://www.d3hoops.com/archives/men/2005/2005-bracket) and many others.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2022, 07:05:00 AM
I have no idea what happened, but last year's leading scorer and D3hoops first-team all-region F Enzo Sechi is no longer listed on the Trinity(TX) roster.  He was featured in the team's season preview (https://trinitytigers.com/news/2022/11/1/11_1_2022_201.aspx) on November 1st.  I couldn't find anything telling a story; he has been active on Twitter but his last actual post was a retweet of the season preview.  That's a loss. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on November 21, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
A big loss.  Hope to learn more...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 22, 2022, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2022, 07:05:00 AM
I have no idea what happened, but last year's leading scorer and D3hoops first-team all-region F Enzo Sechi is no longer listed on the Trinity(TX) roster.  He was featured in the team's season preview (https://trinitytigers.com/news/2022/11/1/11_1_2022_201.aspx) on November 1st.  I couldn't find anything telling a story; he has been active on Twitter but his last actual post was a retweet of the season preview.  That's a loss.

Wow...that is a big loss for Trinity...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2022, 04:00:50 PM
https://trinitytx.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/roster

https://trinitytx.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/teams/trinitytex?view=lineup

I see him listed on both the roster and statistics pages.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 23, 2022, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2022, 04:00:50 PM
https://trinitytx.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/roster

https://trinitytx.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2022-23/teams/trinitytex?view=lineup

I see him listed on both the roster and statistics pages.

Trinity just went through a redesign of their website.  Here is the current URL for their roster:  https://trinitytigers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 06, 2022, 05:04:50 PM
Curios... why does Colorado College seemingly struggle consistently?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2022, 08:18:32 AM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 06, 2022, 05:04:50 PM
Curios... why does Colorado College seemingly struggle consistently?

I think that'll change. New coach has already had some good recruiting success.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 11, 2022, 12:51:33 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2022, 08:18:32 AM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 06, 2022, 05:04:50 PM
Curios... why does Colorado College seemingly struggle consistently?

I think that'll change. New coach has already had some good recruiting success.
That place - academics, location, access to players, geographic part of the country w/ few options for D3's, growing talent level in the "mountain area" of the country - lends itself to a potential gold mine if cultivated properly.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 12, 2022, 08:25:01 AM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 11, 2022, 12:51:33 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 07, 2022, 08:18:32 AM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 06, 2022, 05:04:50 PM
Curios... why does Colorado College seemingly struggle consistently?

I think that'll change. New coach has already had some good recruiting success.
That place - academics, location, access to players, geographic part of the country w/ few options for D3's, growing talent level in the "mountain area" of the country - lends itself to a potential gold mine if cultivated properly.

At the same time, the costs and high admissions standards means they compete with the Ivies and UAA schools for student-athletes.  Combine that with being on a plane every other weekend on average  makes it a tougher sell than it might otherwise be.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 23, 2022, 10:25:03 AM
A surprising 180 for Trinity, who after struggling to a 5-4 start headlined by very slow first halves dominated a couple of pretty good opponents this week in their annual pre-Christmas tournament.  First to fall was a Geneva team that came into the tournament 8-1 before falling in the opener to Southwestern by 1.  TU rushed out to a 48-28 halftime lead and was never threatened in the second half in a 78-63 win where the entire bench saw significant time.  In the closing game, the Tigers got out to an even larger halftime lead, 50-23, over a good UW-Stevens Point team (8-4 before yesterday) on the way to a 84-63 win in which Jacob Harvey became the first player to score 30 for the Tigers since last season.

Leading scorer Tanner Brown didn't play in either of the two games for Trinity this week after playing 37 minutes in the prior game against St. Thomas.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on December 26, 2022, 10:46:09 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 23, 2022, 10:25:03 AM
A surprising 180 for Trinity, who after struggling to a 5-4 start headlined by very slow first halves dominated a couple of pretty good opponents this week in their annual pre-Christmas tournament.  First to fall was a Geneva team that came into the tournament 8-1 before falling in the opener to Southwestern by 1.  TU rushed out to a 48-28 halftime lead and was never threatened in the second half in a 78-63 win where the entire bench saw significant time.  In the closing game, the Tigers got out to an even larger halftime lead, 50-23, over a good UW-Stevens Point team (8-4 before yesterday) on the way to a 84-63 win in which Jacob Harvey became the first player to score 30 for the Tigers since last season.

Leading scorer Tanner Brown didn't play in either of the two games for Trinity this week after playing 37 minutes in the prior game against St. Thomas.

There was a lot of energy on display.  It seems there is some real depth to the TU team.  Their confidence level must be pretty high right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on January 14, 2023, 11:44:17 AM
Strong outing last night by the TU men at TLU (74-64 win).  Particularly good to see a big contribution underneath from Braxton Barry and the return of Tanner Brown (even if only for a few minutes). 

Barry had 14 points, 16 rebounds, and two blocks (one of which was an epic two hander).

Only going to get better.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 15, 2023, 02:31:13 PM
Odd game for Trinity at Southwestern last night.  In the first half they almost literally could not buy a bucket, going 3-25 (2-15 beyond the arc, a staggeringly bad 1-10 inside), but thanks to Jacob Harvey, AJ Clark, and Jacob Millhouse's perfect 10-10 performance at the line combined with 14 forced turnovers only trailed 24-22 at the break.  In the second half the Tigers turned up the press even more, and while the Pirates were eventually able to overcome it most of the time (only 9 turnovers) it disrupted their offense enough so that when Trinity's shots finally did start falling (12-21 in the second half) it was more than the home team could overcome and Trinity won its eighth straight, 63-50.  Harvey led all scorers with 24 (3-7 from deep), Clark had 14, and Millhouse 10 before fouling out late.  The three combined for a 21-21 performance at the line.  Trinity enjoyed a 33-15 advantage from the line.

Next weekend will be big for SCAC playoff positioning as Centenary - with whom Trinity is tied for second but who won the first matchup between the two in Shreveport by four - comes to town on Friday as does undefeated conference leader St. Thomas on Saturday.  Both the men's and women's championships will be held in San Antonio the final weekend in February.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 21, 2023, 10:33:00 AM
Big game in the SCAC tonight between first-place St. Thomas, still undefeated in conference play (9-0), and second-place (7-2) Trinity, who secured sole possession of that spot with an 80-59 win over Centenary, with whom they had been tied at the start of the day (and who had defeated them in Shreveport early in the season).   Last night's win, Trinity's ninth straight, saw the Tigers shoot 60%, 47% from beyond the arc while holding the Gents to 37% shooting and 23% from deep.  The Celts squeaked past Schreiner last night 74-69 in a game where second-leading scorer Freddie Ricks III did not play after seeing only seven minutes in St. Thomas' previous game against Colorado College last Sunday.

A Trinity win tonight would only maintain second place, but with the SCAC championships in San Antonio coming up in five weeks could help set the stage for an epic rematch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on January 21, 2023, 01:07:39 PM
I was at the TU-Centenary game last night.  Terrific defense and hustle from Trinity.  Braxton Barry is becoming more of a force down low, and the lineup is healthy again with Tanner Brown making a significant contribution.

Opposing teams can't focus on just one key player:  AJ Clark, Jacob Harvey, and Ben Hanley can all turn it on and score.

The crowd was big and noisy and it's particularly nice to see the #5 football team, #2 volleyball team, and #1 women's BB team all there in numbers supporting their peers.

TU athletics are really cooking right now.

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 22, 2023, 08:03:54 AM
Sadly for Trinity, Freddie Ricks III did start last night, scoring 18 to lead the Celts to a not-as-close-as-it-sounds 67-59 road win which, barring injury or something very unusual, basically locks up the regular season championship and top seed for next month's conference championships in San Antonio as the Celts now enjoy a three-game lead and at least some tiebreakers. 

Trinity started out quickly and led 19-12 midway through the first half, but the Celt defense stiffened, the Tigers' shots stopped falling (when they weren't turning the ball over), and by the end of the half the seven point lead had turned into a six-point deficit.  St. Thomas almost immediately built a double digit lead coming out of the locker room; Trinity eventually closed to within two midway through the final stanza thanks in no small part to a dreadful Celt performance at the line (5 for 14 in the first 35 minutes), but over the next five minutes Trinity would miss all their attempts from the field.  The result was the largest deficit of the game, 60-45, with 4:30 remaining.  From there, Trinity's attempts to close the gap were blunted by St. Thomas finally hitting its free throws (7 of 8) and a continued inability to hit from deep (part of a 1-15 performance from beyond the arc in the second half).

St. Thomas only held a 16-12 turnover advantage, but their swarming defense on inside moves were largely responsible for Trinity taking 29 of its 55 shots from three-point range.  Had the Tigers been able to bury more than 1 in 6 of them, the night's result could have been different, but on this night St. Thomas showed it deserved its top-15 ranking. 

One question, having it seen it now twice in the last three games:  what convinces coaches that sending nobody to help rebound on free throws is a good idea?  Both St. Thomas and Southwestern deploy this strategy and I simply don't understand why you would abandon any chance of getting the ball back after a miss.  I guess you could be terrified of the opponent getting an open shot bringing the ball back up court but it seems curious. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2023, 08:43:36 AM
Was in attendance at yesterday's SCAC championship which saw Schreiner ease past Trinity when a last second three with a good look was just off target as time expired.  Those (like me!) wondering about the Mountaineers' sudden resurgence may find some answers in this part of an daily email digest from the Kerr County Lead, a locally-produced news site:

QuoteAfter a 5-0 start, the Mountaineers faced many issues, including internal conflict leading to suspensions. Two weeks ago, it didn't even look like Schreiner would make the conference tournament in San Antonio. Before Friday's first game, the Mountaineers were 12-13, including a 6-10 record in the conference. Ahead of them were three teams who had swept the regular-season home-and-away series.

What made Sunday's title game fascinating was Schreiner coach Marwan Elrakabawy trust in his veteran guard Alex Dehoyos because the two haven't seen eye-to-eye at times, leaving the perennial starter on the bench. However, in the tournament, Elrakawaby turned to Dehoyos to start in all three tournament games.

Dehoyos delivered with 13, 17 and eight points in the tournament.

The full game summary from the Lead (which doesn't include these details) can be found here (https://kerrcountylead.com/mountaineers-complete-upset-trifecta-head-to-ncaa-tournament/).  The Mountaineers won their three games by a total of five points - and while good teams make their luck, they certainly had a lot of 50-50s going their way yesterday (and Trinity shooting under 20% on threes isn't something you'll often see, though you have to credit the SU defense).  The guy who really killed Trinity in the second half was backup C Cristian Rodriguez, a first-year who went 7-for-7 inside, taking advantage of foul trouble on Trinity's Braxton Berry who had four and could not defend as aggressively as he would have liked.

It'll be interesting to see what they do in their first-round matchup.  They'll draw the top seed in their pod (unless they end up in the same pod as St Thomas should the Celts host).  They had a *huge* crowd at Trinity - probably the largest visitor crowd I've seen in all the years I've gone to games there - and they were loud enough to at times drown out what was probably an equally large home contingent.  Official attendance was listed at 1178 against an average Trinity home attendance of 355 (including yesterday). 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 28, 2023, 04:54:28 PM
The beat coverage of Schreiner is great from The Lead...don't see this for every D3 school out there. He does a good job, and seems very well connected to the program. What is interesting is if you go back to articles from December, when it talks about Schreiner being in a "freefall". There was definitely some internal conflict there early in the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2023, 04:28:22 PM
Nobody will see this, but the entire squad the US is sending to the upcoming FIBA U21 3x3 men's basketball championships edit: qualifiers later this month in China are from Trinity.  They have spent time working with the women's 3x3 team that won the Olympics last year, perhaps the team that won the 2023 FIBA 3x3s to Sunday too.   The tweet announcing the team selection (https://twitter.com/usab3x3/status/1666503259576729601) said simply "The team from @TU_Basketball, which has supported USA Basketball 3x3 over the last several years, will compete June 23-29 in Handan, China."

There's not a lot of 3x3 played here (to my knowledge) so the fact that these guys have been involved in the sport for a while with USA 3x3 probably was a huge factor in the choice.   Players chosen include Braxton Barry, Christian Green, Jacob Harvey, Grayson Herr, Jacob Millhouse, and Abdullah Roberts.   All but Green are returnees from last year's squad.

Edit2:  The winners of this round in China (six teams competing) advance to the FIBA U21 championships In September, to be held in Mongolia.


Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on June 09, 2023, 08:26:19 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2023, 04:28:22 PM
Nobody will see this, but the entire squad the US is sending to the upcoming FIBA U21 3x3 men's basketball championships edit: qualifiers later this month in China are from Trinity.  They have spent time working with the women's 3x3 team that won the Olympics last year, perhaps the team that won the 2023 FIBA 3x3s to Sunday too.   The tweet announcing the team selection (https://twitter.com/usab3x3/status/1666503259576729601) said simply "The team from @TU_Basketball, which has supported USA Basketball 3x3 over the last several years, will compete June 23-29 in Handan, China."

There's not a lot of 3x3 played here (to my knowledge) so the fact that these guys have been involved in the sport for a while with USA 3x3 probably was a huge factor in the choice.   Players chosen include Braxton Barry, Christian Green, Jacob Harvey, Grayson Herr, Jacob Millhouse, and Abdullah Roberts.   All but Green are returnees from last year's squad.

Edit2:  The winners of this round in China (six teams competing) advance to the FIBA U21 championships In September, to be held in Mongolia.

Wow, that is awesome! Had no idea...yeah, my understanding is that 3x3 is way more popular as an organized sport in Europe than it is here. Hope that starts to change, especially with 3x3 being in the Paris Olympics in '24. I'll certainly be following along to see how they do in that qualifier later this month.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 09, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
Trinity's non-conference opponents, with last year's records, after changes at the D3hoops classic:

Whitman (22-5)
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (21-5)
Hardin-Simmons (19-9)
Concordia (13-12)
Mary Hardin-Baylor (23-6)
Washington and Lee (18-8)
University of Chicago (10-15)
Clark (15-12)
Pomona Pitzer (20-7)
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 09, 2023, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 09, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
Trinity's non-conference opponents, with last year's records, after changes at the D3hoops classic:

Whitman (22-5)
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (21-5)
Hardin-Simmons (19-9)
Concordia (13-12)
Mary Hardin-Baylor (23-6)
Washington and Lee (18-8)
University of Chicago (10-15)
Clark (15-12)
Pomona Pitzer (20-7)
That is a great schedule. UChicago gives TUTx access to the UAA's OWP's
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2023, 11:05:39 AM
While we wait - and wait - for Trinity to post their full schedule and roster, word comes that Enzo Sechi, who did not play last season, transferred to Catholic and will play while pursing his master's degree in engineering management.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on October 19, 2023, 10:24:31 PM
Looks like the TU men's roster is now updated.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on October 24, 2023, 11:17:55 PM
Solid outing by the Trinity men tonight in an exhibition game at UT San Antonio.  The size advantage of DI UTSA was obviously a huge factor in their 100-70 win.

Strong performances from returning starters Tanner Brown, Jacob Harvey, and Abdullah Roberts.

Two freshmen look to be immediate contributors with Christian Green and Dean Balo contributing significant points and leading the way in rebounding against stout UTSA.

Looking forward to seeing them in action against DIII opponents.

http://stats.statbroadcast.com/broadcast/?id=488105
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2023, 07:48:50 AM
Trinity picks up an unexpected W tonight in exhibition at D2 UC-Colorado Springs, 76-75, despite losing one starter to injury early and having another pick up three fouls and have to sit out much of the first half.  Abdullah Roberts' three with 1.8 seconds left was the difference in a game in which the Tigers shot 16-24 in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 04, 2023, 09:20:11 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2023, 07:48:50 AM
Trinity picks up an unexpected W tonight in exhibition at D2 UC-Colorado Springs, 76-75, despite losing one starter to injury early and having another pick up three fouls and have to sit out much of the first half.  Abdullah Roberts' three with 1.8 seconds left was the difference in a game in which the Tigers shot 16-24 in the second half.

Do you know who got hurt? Is it significant?
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2023, 08:47:50 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 09, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
Trinity's non-conference opponents, with last year's records, after changes at the D3hoops classic:

Whitman (22-5) W 86-58
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (21-5) W 74-64
Concordia (13-12) W 91-84
Hardin-Simmons (19-9) W 82-82
Mary Hardin-Baylor (23-6) W 83-64
Washington and Lee (18-8)
University of Chicago (10-15)
Clark (15-12)
Pomona Pitzer (20-7)

Perhaps somewhat unexpectedly, but with the SCAC season getting underway this weekend, Trinity is off to a 5-0 start including last night's 83-64 win over UMHB (https://trinitytigers.com/news/2023/11/28/mbb_umhb.aspx) which saw the Tigers end what had been a close game with a 21-2 run over the last 7:02.  Jacob Harvey had 24 including 6-of-10 from deep, and Christian Green had the best game of his young career with 20 and 15, shooting 8-of-12 from the field.  Braxtpn Berry had early foul trouble and was DQd after only 18 minutes, so Green was forced into extra action (37 minutes) and did his best Magic Johnson playing at the five on defense for a good deal of the second half. 

Green and fellow first-year Dean Balo (13 points in 26 minutes) have both played surprisingly key roles in Trinity's hot start, nicely augmenting strong play from Harvey and Tanner Brown.  Green leads the team in scoring at 15.6 ppg, Harvey is right there with 15.4, and Brown adds 14.4.  Balo almost makes it four in double figures with 9.2.

As mentioned, the Tigers start SCAC play on the road at Southwestern on Friday, followed by TLU on Sunday.  If they win both (the two are a 1-13 combined) I would hope to see Trinity jump into the Top 25 next week. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2023, 08:57:23 AM
On TLU:  that one win came against UMHB, who surprisingly find themselves 2-3 after consecutive road losses to the Bulldogs (77-78), St. Thomas (82-90 in OT), and Trinity.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2023, 09:01:11 AM
Trinity and St. Thomas are 8-1 vs the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 05, 2023, 01:13:25 PM
Yesterday's ranking of Trinity at 23rd in the D3hoops Top 25 (https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2023-24/week2) marks the first time, other than a one-week appearance during the bastardized COVID season, that the school has been ranked since the end of the '08-'09 season. 

I've seen several people ranking them in the mid-upper teens on Xitter posts, so obviously a lot of voters aren't ranking them at all which is typical for teams in the bottom of the ranking.  And while it won't be easy, there's at least a chance they remain undefeated until they face what will almost assuredly be a 9-0 Pomona Pitzer at the D3hoops Classic; their opponents until then areAll games will be at home with the exception of the last.

The Sagehens, ranked #20, are 8-0 and face only a 1-7 NAIA La Sierra team (that's already lost to Chapman and Redlands) between now and then. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on December 08, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
Go to the D3Hoops.com Classic in Vegas or don't go to the D3Hoops.com Classic.

My current conundrum.



Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 20, 2024, 10:35:38 AM
Trinity's current conundrum: figuring out how to beat St. Thomas. Other than that, they have had a brilliant season leading to their current #10 D3hoops.com ranking.  If they can finally shoot the three ball as effectively against St. Thomas as they did against Centenary last weekend - and the SCAC championships are at Centenary - maybe they will.  The team's 23-2 record so far should mean they're a lock for the NCAAs even with a loss, and if they can win the SCAC outright the team will surpass its best record in the SCAC era, 23-3 in 1999-2000.  That year ended with a first-round loss, something this year's team would rather not repeat. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OneVoiceOfTheTigers on February 20, 2024, 04:41:11 PM
Another year where the SCAC Tournament is shaping up to be a barnburner yet again... I just want to take some time to write about it.

#1 Trinity should be the favorites baring injury, the only team they've lost to in conference is St. Thomas. If Trinity does lose, I'd be shocked if they weren't one of the first teams of the board for Pool C. Christian Green has had quite the freshman season to say the least (and may lead the nation in D3 dunks). Pair him with Jacob Harvey and Tanner Brown being the go to guys for 3 pointers and Braxton Barry supplementing the starting unit with his presence in the paint makes Trinity a handful in to many ways to count. Oh yeah, did I mention Dean Balo? He's been a bit overshadowed by Green, but he's another Freshman that's been making an impact in pretty much every game he's in. The only question mark is if the Tigers can find a way to beat the Celts, since they seem to be the team with their number consistently.

#2 St. Thomas has had a very weird run through conference, they dropped both games to Dallas, one to Southwestern (they caught a case of the injury bug to be fair) and one to Centenary. I think St. Thomas does have a path to a Pool C bid, but if they want to have any chance of that happening they can't go one and done. Even though the path has been tough for the Celts, they are still a team that can easily win the Conference Tournament. Calvin Williams and Nick Anderson have been the dynamic duo that has been propelling St. Thomas offense to great heights. The Celts have also been adept pickpockets with almost 18 forced turnovers per game, and are the only team to hand Trinity not one, but two losses this year.

#4 Colorado College vs #5 Dallas is great one to kick off the Tournament. The regular season series was split, with both road teams winning their respective games against one another. Dallas has a really good Starting 5, with Jack Boyle being the headliner, but Kelton Coleman has been stellar from the arc off the bench. Colorado has been excelling with their defense this year, and they've used it to hold some really good offenses under their season average. They lead the conference in field goal defense, 3 point defense and blocks per game. Some of that may be thanks to them playing in Colorado, but they've proven that they can travel with that defense. Dinari Boykin leads the team on the offensive side of the ball in terms of scoring, and Edgar Romero is having a nice season from beyond the arc.

Expert (not actually an expert) prediction: Dallas, I guess? It's a tossup, but Colorado has had a tendency to struggle on offense more than Dallas has near the end of the season.

#3 Centenary vs #6 Schreiner is a fun matchup. Schreiner swept the regular season games, and Kamden Ross is an absolute stud of a player that's complimented by guys like Dylan Mackey and Beau Cervantes on the outside. Centenary being at home is definitely a benefit for them (8-3 at home this season), but superstitions isn't what the gents rely on. Seth Thomas is probably a lock for first team All-SCAC, and they have 4 players (Craig Collier, Jakobi Greenleaf, Quentin Beverly, and AJ Hall) averaging 9 or more points per game. The Gents also lead the SCAC in 3 pointers per game (which I didn't expect).

As for a winner? It's a tossup, but I like Schreiner to win this one.

No matter the outcome, we've got a great weekend of games coming up!
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: river2 on February 20, 2024, 06:57:32 PM
Expect a couple of suspensions for CC and one for UDallas for the scuffle at the end of their season ending game
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on February 20, 2024, 07:27:11 PM
Looked like a misunderstanding as a CC player was hanging on the rim to avoid falling on a UD player and the UD player didn't realize it was innocent.  He pushed him away and he almost fell.  The CC bench cleared and went after the UD player.

In my view only CC players going after the UD player deserve scrutiny for suspension.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: river2 on February 20, 2024, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on February 20, 2024, 07:27:11 PMIn my view only CC players going after the UD player deserve scrutiny for suspension.

This was my opinion as well but have heard the UD player (Boyle) will be suspended 1 game along with 3 or 4 CC players (dunker, first shove, and two first off bench that had Boyle against the wall). Will be interesting to see these teams line right back up for the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2024, 09:23:52 PM

Boyle has been suspended for Dallas.  Boykin, Russo, and Dittman for CC.  Whoever wins Friday will have a full roster for Saturday (and their leading scorer rested up).
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on February 20, 2024, 10:25:03 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2024, 09:23:52 PMBoyle has been suspended for Dallas.  Boykin, Russo, and Dittman for CC.  Whoever wins Friday will have a full roster for Saturday (and their leading scorer rested up).

Overkill.  Particularly suspending the UD player.  He had another kid on top of him and had no idea what was going on.  The guys off the bench on the other hand...
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 21, 2024, 05:16:32 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on February 20, 2024, 10:25:03 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2024, 09:23:52 PMBoyle has been suspended for Dallas.  Boykin, Russo, and Dittman for CC.  Whoever wins Friday will have a full roster for Saturday (and their leading scorer rested up).

Overkill.  Particularly suspending the UD player.  He had another kid on top of him and had no idea what was going on.  The guys off the bench on the other hand...

I watched the video a bunch of times and don't feel either player deserved punishment for the inciting incident.  I'm sure I didn't watch the aftermath as closely as the league office, so I'll definitely bow to them on repercussions there.

I will say, though, my brother was in attendance (which is how I knew it even happened) and maintains, despite my objections, that Boyle's final, frustrated tossing of the leg was unnecessary and dangerous.

We'll likely never know how the deliberations went down, but, to me, the fact that only four players are facing sanctions feels pretty gracious, all in all.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2024, 08:57:26 PM
CC led Trinity basically the entire game, though the Texas Tigers made it interesting late and Colorado helped by missing some FTs in the 4th, but couldn't pull it all back and fell 71-70.  They will rue missing half of their own FTs in the loss.

And Centenary continued the upset trend, pulling away from St. Thomas late in winning 64-51. 

Trinity definitely gets into the tournament, though where is a question.  They probably want Centenary to win tomorrow, since Shreveport is within 500 miles, that would set up a pod with UMHB, Centenary, and one other team to be flown in.  A Colorado College win makes it much easier (and IMO likely) that the ASC and SCAC winners fly out for the opening weekend.

St. Thomas probably slide to first four out and needs some help.  If they get in (and Centenary wins too) one of the three SCAC teams will have to go elsewhere since you can't match up again in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2024, 09:43:52 AM
Assumptions made, assumptions failed as UT-Dallas won the ASC with a short buzzer-beather.  If 12-15 Rhodes wins the SAA (as a #7 seed after upsetting #2 B-SC and #3 Oglethorpe) then they can drive to Dallas and the pod probably ends up there regardless of whether or not 18-9 UT-D deserves it (spoiler: they don't).  We've seen this before in a women's pod where they ended up hosting solely because a fourth team (Hendrix) was able to bus there.

Rhodes faces the clear class of the conference in the finals; Berry went 13-1 in SAA play and are 18-9 overall, but games between the two have been close with the Vikings winning by 6 at home and 11 in the most recent meeting in Memphis earlier this month.  Today's game is at Berry. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: river2 on February 26, 2024, 02:19:03 PM
St Thomas got their help! While I doubt they're a serious threat to escape the SoCal pod they have put together a couple of impressive weekends throughout the season so not entirely off the table. Trinty seems to have gotten a tough draw with Nebraska Wesleyan in round 2 but between hosting and the travel for Nebraska Wesleyan they should still be solid favorites.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2024, 04:28:25 PM

NWU has a pretty gaudy record, but they haven't played a super strong schedule.  The ARC was very good this year and they performed well there, but Trinity should be favored and there are a lot of second round matches that would be more difficult around the country.  It's a good draw, for sure, especially given the geographic issues you all suffer in Texas.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2024, 08:01:41 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2024, 04:28:25 PMNWU has a pretty gaudy record, but they haven't played a super strong schedule.  The ARC was very good this year and they performed well there, but Trinity should be favored and there are a lot of second round matches that would be more difficult around the country.  It's a good draw, for sure, especially given the geographic issues you all suffer in Texas.

Agreed, it's no bracket of death which is a pleasant change.

And it would take some doing (and upsets) but should they both survive this weekend and the following game, Catholic's Enzo Sechi could face off against his former Trinity team in the sectional finals.  Catholic would likely have to beat the unanimous #1 Hampden-Sydney (26-2) in the third round, while Trinity might have to face a St. Thomas team it's already lost to twice (but both will need to play better than they did in the SCACs to get that far).   Sechi is averaging 11.1 ppg, 6.7 rpg, and less than 2 fouls per game while starting in 24 of 26 appearances. so the change of scenery has treated him well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2024, 09:40:50 AM
Basketball is a funny sport.  Last night Trinity couldn't hit the broad side of a barn (4/24 from three), forgot how to shoot free throws (9-20 including a even more dreadful 6-17 in the second half where they also missed the front end of several one-and-ones), were outrebounded 51-36, but even then fought back and trailing one had a chance to take the last shot for the win.  Unfortunately that shot was forced early (8 seconds remained), was rebounded by the Comets, and they (of course) hit the resulting free throws to secure a four-point win. 

Besides the dismal shooting performance, Trinity could not keep UT-D off the offensive glass (20 OR), and the numerous second-chance opportunities on the Comets' final possession eventually resulted in the three that gave them the one-point lead before the final sequence. 

Trinity is a young team (only one of the three seniors, Tanner Brown, is a starter) and made plenty of youthful mistakes last night.  It will be interesting to see what lessons were learned next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 16, 2024, 05:30:44 PM
Congratulations to Trinity's Christian Green, today named the Rookie of the Year by D3hoops.com.  Looking forward to what next season brings for this young man and this team!

https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/men/2024

Title: Re: MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on March 16, 2024, 06:00:36 PM
This is a big. deal.

Congrats to Christian and the team!