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Title: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 14, 2005, 05:46:40 PM
Ann and I already have had this discussion. This is the national championship and her spring coaches should understand that it takes priority. They will have their own championship opportunities later and will get her full attention at that time.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Loesel on March 15, 2005, 07:40:11 AM
So it's decided.  RMC SID goes to the Final Four.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMC SID on March 15, 2005, 01:47:44 PM
RMC SID is working on it . . . things are looking good for Saturday.  Friday should be no trouble.

Need a baseball scorekeeper!  I have people in mind.

I love ALL of my R-MC teams!  They are all special to me (insert tears here).
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2005, 04:07:31 PM
Ann, when I was an SID, that fell to the relief pitchers. :-)
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 15, 2005, 04:50:37 PM
And then there were FOUR... or really eight!
This weekend... the best of the best are crowded
But before then... we tell you who we think are the best... on "Hoopsville"!!!


Eight teams in the nation can see where the road finishes. But who is going to get past the final two exits?

Millikin took out Calvin in a hard fought battle... to earn their way to the Women's Final Four. So is this Illinois team ready to go? Coach Lori Kerans will let us know. Her #6 ranked Big Blue Ladies are the lowest ranked team remaining, but still battle tested and ready for their semi-final game with Southern Maine.

The #1 ranked Scranton Lady Royals sure had a tough road to drive as they took on last year's championship finalist, Bowdoin College in the Elite Eight. Scranton showed why they are the #1 team in the nation, knocking off the Polar Bears. So do the Lady Royals have anything left in the tank for Randolph-Macon in the semi-finals? Coach Mike Strong answer that question and if that #1 ranking adds any pressure.

On the men's side, Rochester is still marching... even though mid-way through the season, most thought they had no chance. But their star player returned... and they knocked off not only last year's Final Four finalist Amherst in the Sweet 16... but then took out a suddenly hot SUNY-Potsdam team in the Elite Eight. Now, Rochester has been here before, and Coach Mike Neer has the experience. But how does his team prepare for a tough Final Four match-up with Calvin.

Calvin - people warned us about. They are the only team left in this men's tournament that has played every game to get here. First Wheaton, then Aurora, finally Mississippi College fell to the side of the Knights. Then came MIAA conference foe - and champion Albion. Which Calvin disposed of 60-52... to take their drive to Salem... for the first time since they won the national title in 2000.
So, what will Coach Kevin Vande Streek use from that last title run to help his team get past Rochester and into the title game? We will ask him that and much more (including if he saw Albion's buzzer beater Friday night? Jared did!).

And then there is York College (PA)... 11-15 last year... flew under many radars most of the year... and now they are in the first Final Four in the school's history.
Coach Jeff Gamber has traveled to Salem before, but never with a team playing. Now, after 28 years... he in Salem as a participant. But, this trip is completely new to Coach Gamber and the Spartans, who until this year had never won a NCAA Tournament game. We will talk to the coach of York and see if he has yet to come down from the high of beating Kings on Saturday to lock up the trip to Salem.

So come join us online and LIVE from 8-10PM Eastern!
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: I know my ABCs and 123s! on March 16, 2005, 09:10:58 AM
RMC SID,
I suggest using the players that rarely ever get into the game. That seems to be the popular pick here at LC. :-) A baseball socrebook and scoreboard (unless you guys ahve one of those cool flashy scoreboards like you would find at some minor league parks) shouldnt be all too complicated, i'd imagine.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMC SID on March 16, 2005, 09:41:13 AM
Our coach doesn't wish to use players for scoreboard and announcing.  Scorebook, maybe.  Even though I'll be interested in seeting that book when I get back!

Still working on it -- keeping the faith.

Thanks for the support.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMC Hoopster on March 16, 2005, 11:03:01 AM
Silva makes 1st team all region for 3rd year in a row!  

Congrats to her and Michelle Orten both for making all region squads.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Loesel on March 17, 2005, 07:16:28 AM
Pat ran a big story on the outer page about the Randolph-Macon team, which in the Final Four for the first time. It's the first time for any women's ODAC team. Playing at the Batten Center should be close to a home court advantage for the Yellow Jackets.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Loesel on March 17, 2005, 08:18:30 AM
There was a very nice story about coach LaHaye in the Rockport (Maine) Courier-Gazette.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on March 17, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
Jim,

That was a very nice article about coach LaHaye.  I have only been following women's odac bball for about 6 years and I would have thought the she would have a little better winning percentage. I guess it just shows how much RMC has dominated recently.  RMC is all I have heard about the past several years.

Was RMC ever at a different level when she was the coach?
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 17, 2005, 07:20:29 PM
emufan,

I can't speak to her CONFERENCE record, but the article says she's 324-247 overall, and 185-85 the past ten years.  That would mean she was 139-162 over the first 12 years - I'd think that was a different level!  :-)
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 17, 2005, 07:30:53 PM
The story from Maine evidently didn't include THIS year - according to the d3hoops.com story, her career record is now 353-248 (but presumably that doesn't change the math on her first 12 years - just means her record for the last ELEVEN years is a sparkling 214-86).
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Loesel on March 18, 2005, 07:45:06 AM
Good luck today, Yellow Jackets.  I've got a new picture in my profile that was taken right after the finish of the ODAC championship game.  A similar picture would be appropriate after a victory today.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Rip on March 18, 2005, 07:56:45 PM
Jackets win!!! Playing for it all tomorrow.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on March 18, 2005, 09:56:29 PM
WOW,

That is awesome for RMC and the ODAC!!! Congrats to the yellow jackets.  

The ODAC winning in the tourney is good for ALL ODAC teams.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Beau Tye on March 18, 2005, 10:23:13 PM
...and good for all the South teams, as well!!!

Congrats to RMC...Beat Millikin!!!

~ASC Fan~
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Loesel on March 19, 2005, 08:01:24 AM
WAY TO GO, Randolph-Macon.

One more to go for a national championship banner.  You can do it!  

(I see no reason to change the profile picture of Yellow Jackets celebrating.)
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 19, 2005, 06:35:48 PM
Congatulations on a great season for RMC!

Second is disappointing since it means you lost the final game, but it is still one helluvan achievement!  They just ran into a team that either played out of their minds today, or was severely under-ranked!

Note that Millikin's 3 all-tournament players were two juniors and a FRESHMAN; the CCIW MOP this year was a FRESHMAN from Wheaton.  I think the CCIW ladies may finally be catching up with the national status of the men.

How do RMC and the rest of the ODAC look for coming years?  Was this a one-time thing for a magical RMC team, or will the ODAC also begin catching up with the national stature of the men?
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Loesel on March 19, 2005, 08:30:41 PM
My congratulations as well to the Yellow Jackets of Randolph-Macon for carrying the ODAC banner all the way to the championship game.  You did us proud.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMC SID on March 19, 2005, 11:40:25 PM
The support of the ODAC -- fans of women's basketball, coaches and players from other teams, of course R-MC students, faculty, staff, alumni, parents, and friends -- was unbelievable this weekend and the whole postseason.  From RMC SID, thanks for helping to make it an incredible ride!

Also, many thanks and congrats to Virginia Wesleyan and the NCAA for an incredible event.  It was very well-organized and enjoyable for all, I think.

And to the Yellow Jackets -- as with all of our teams at R-MC, I couldn't ask to be associated with a finer group of student-athletes and coaches.  Special thanks to all of you.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMC SID on March 19, 2005, 11:55:32 PM
Also congrats to Millikin, a very good team that played a very good game in the DIII championship.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on March 20, 2005, 07:59:24 AM
Congrats to RMC!  No one else in the country can say they made it to the championship game.  The ODAC was well represented.  The ODAC needs to make it a habit to get teams into the Elite Eight in my opinion.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Gordon "Marco Scutaro" Mann on March 20, 2005, 11:40:08 AM
RMC fans did a great job supporting their team this weekend.

And special thanks to John Irby who did a fantastic job taking photos for the school and our site.  All the women's photos on this site from this weekend are his.

The RMC Community is lucky to have him.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Loesel on March 23, 2005, 05:50:25 AM
Huge congratulations to Megan Silva for making the D3hoops FIRST TEAM All-American squad.  See AA teams

Huge congratulations also to the entire Randolph-Macon team, which finished the season in SECOND place in the D3hoops poll.  See final poll
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on April 06, 2005, 09:46:42 PM
Eastern Mennonite University women's basketball junior forwards Stephanie Mathews and Amanda Renalds each were named First Team All-State in the college division as announced by the Virginia Sports Information Directors Association on Wednesday.

Junior guard Megan Silva of ODAC champion and national runner-up Randolph-Macon College was a repeat winner of the VaSID State Player of the Year award
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on April 06, 2005, 09:47:24 PM
Congrats to everyone!

VaSID College Division All-State Awards

VaSID Player of the Year: Megan Silva, Randolph-Macon
VaSID Coach of the Year: Carroll LaHaye, Randolph-Macon

First Team All-State
Megan Silva, Randolph-Macon
Tara Toland, Ferrum
Candace Bryant, Christopher Newport
Amanda Renalds, Eastern Mennonite
Stephanie Mathews, Eastern Mennonite

Second Team All-State
Salem Shaffer, Randolph-Macon
Michelle Orton, Randolph-Macon
Randi Jones, Marymount
Brandi Cochran, Hollins
Netagia Foreman, Shenandoah

Honorable Mention All-State
Katrina Scruggs, Mary Baldwin
Jessica Hunsinger, Washington & Lee
Caroline Wesley, Lynchburg
Katy Herr, Bridgewater
Jennifer Prewitt, Randolph-Macon Women's College
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jim Loesel on April 07, 2005, 07:15:30 AM
Very nice representation by the ODAC.  Congratulations ladies.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on April 12, 2005, 07:55:45 PM
Is anyone else surprised to see the Lynchburg coach resign?
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: I know my ABCs and 123s! on June 03, 2005, 03:59:04 PM
emufan,
Not surprised at all. I always liked Richie, but from the teams marginal success or lack of during his tenure (most especially this past season) and with his antics during games (I could list more reasons, but I'll stop here), I had a feeling that he would have been fired if he didn't resign.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: I'm a lama on June 16, 2005, 04:42:36 PM
Stephanie Tobey Named New Lynchburg College Head Women's Basketball Coach

           LYNCHBURG, VA - The Lynchburg College athletic department announced Thursday that Stephanie Tobey has been named the new head women's basketball coach.  

           Tobey was the head coach at Lasell College (MA) for the 2003-04 and 2004-05 seasons - a member of the Division III North Atlantic Conference (NAC). With a young team that had no seniors on the roster, the Lasers finished last season with an 11-14 record. Tobey also assisted with the Lasell women's lacrosse team for one season. She served as an assistant coach at Brown University for one year before moving on to Lasell.  

           "We are very excited to have Stephanie on board as our new women's basketball coach," said Dr. Jack Toms, Lynchburg director of athletics. "With her enthusiasm, dedication and drive, we think she will be able to build on the success the program has enjoyed in recent years."

           Tobey was a two-sport athlete at Bryant College (RI), graduating in May of 2002 with degrees in business administration and communication, and carried a psychology minor. She was a captain of both the basketball and lacrosse teams, playing center for the Division II basketball program.

           "Our women will be some of the best conditioned athletes physically and mentally and we welcome the challenge of anyone in the country," said Tobey.  "From day one, the expectations will be set high. You can expect us to run the floor, control the half court, and be relentless on defense. Defense will be the center of our system, if we can defend, we can compete with anyone. We also want to bring a determined attitude to the classroom and basketball court."

           The Hornet women finished 8-17 in a rebuilding 2004-05 season after winning 30 contests the previous two campaigns.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78RMC on June 25, 2005, 12:48:28 PM
The Lady Jackets will be even stronger this season.  Most starters return and they'll be even bigger this year with 6-2 and 6-5 transfers coming in.  Plus the freshmen are also strong.  Should be an exciting season for the Jackets.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Guru of Major Champ. Predictions! on July 15, 2005, 02:01:22 PM
McElwee Resigns Women's Basketball Coaching Position
Richard McElwee has resigned as head women's basketball coach after two years at Eastern Mennonite University.

David King, Athletic Director at EMU announced McElwee's resignation Friday, July 15.
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 15, 2005, 06:04:35 PM
Scottie,

I think you've just set a new record (with the possible exception of banned posters who were trying to deceive): you have 3 of the last 4 posts - under three different names!

(To avoid slipping up on who you are this month, I shall henceforth address you as Scottie!)
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Scottie Too Hottie on August 15, 2005, 01:22:39 PM
Cabonney,
Let's make it 4 of the last 6 posts under a different name! :-)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on September 06, 2005, 06:04:24 PM
EMU has named Kevin Griffin as Head Coach of Womens basketball. 

He has a solid core of ladies coming back, and I know it is late in the recruting year, however, I would think that his biggest task would be to make sure Laura Ludholtz is in school and healthy.

Good luck to the Lady Royals as they try to get back to the NCAA's very soon.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on September 10, 2005, 10:08:41 AM
EMU will broadcast all games online this year.

Here is the anticipated schedule.

http://www.emu.edu/athletics/broadcast/
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jimmy Mad on September 15, 2005, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: emufan on September 06, 2005, 06:04:24 PM
I would think that his biggest task would be to make sure Laura Ludholtz is in school and healthy.

I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on September 16, 2005, 06:21:23 AM
Why not?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on September 20, 2005, 09:15:21 PM
It amazes me how some people come on this site and then don't even back up what they say.

I make a legit comment about trying to get a former all-odac player back on the team and the only answer I get is to not get my hopes up.

If you have the information, share it, don't start a conversation and then not back it up.

Is Laura still hurt, not eligible?  What is the deal?

Back your statement up.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jimmy Mad on September 23, 2005, 03:25:32 PM
1) I don't think she is enrolled at EMU

2) The players told me they don't anticipate her returning
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on September 25, 2005, 02:47:45 PM
Knowledge,

Thank for updating me.

It helps when we have all the facts instead of 1-liners to go by.

Although, I don't see it happening because of what you just said.  It has happened in the ODAC, where players transfer in for the second semester.  A Guilford player did that several years ago, Courntey Hill( All-ODAC). So it never hurts to ask.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: upper90 on October 07, 2005, 04:37:32 PM
R-MC looks HOT this year...I can't WAIT for the season!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on October 14, 2005, 09:39:11 AM
Coach Stephanie Tobey is about to start on a conquest to become the best D3 coach EVER...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 19, 2005, 08:00:41 PM
How long will the "conquest" take? Think she'll "conquer" RMC first time out of the box?  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 29, 2005, 07:26:36 AM
RMC sitting pretty in d3hoops.com's preseason poll  :)  may you have lots of luck & no injuries, ladies!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 31, 2005, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: scottie too hottie on October 14, 2005, 09:39:11 AM
Coach Stephanie Tobey is about to start on a conquest to become the best D3 coach EVER...

new attitude: the players are responding well to her, I hear.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on October 31, 2005, 04:03:13 PM
the players really seem to like the new head coach and assistant coach. they really seem to be working hard and have a prretty good attitude.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 31, 2005, 04:09:44 PM
It's time for a turn around. Best D3 coach ever is way too enthusiastic (but somebody's got be best! - why not try), but she seems headed the right way with new enthusiasm from the players.   :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on November 18, 2005, 07:14:22 PM
Welcome to Basketball Season! It looks like the RMC Women are not having too much of a problem with Christopher Newport as I am listening on the web!

There was a College Basketball Section in today's Richmond Times-Dispatch that seemed to be missing this dominant RMC Women's BBall Team. The following is a letter I wrote to the Sports Editors of the T-D that I thought some would be interested in!

Dear Mr. Stan Cary and Ms. Heather Tucker, etc.

I was very excited to receive the newspaper this morning and find an
entiresection dedicated to College Basketball. However, as I was coming
to the end ofthe section I am very disappointed that you ?forgot? the
most dominant DivisionIII team in the area AND THE NATION! The
Randolph-Macon Women's Basketball Teamis ranked 2nd in the NATION by D
III News and D3Hoops.com and 1st in theODAC!? Megan Silva, a senior
guard from right here in Richmond (I know you love that) is an
All-Americanagain ranked preseason 1st team All-American. These are just
some of theiraccolades from this season, which has not even begun!

Last season they finished in first place in the ODAC regular season, won
theODAC tournament, earned the most wins in the history of the program,
became thefirst women?s team in the ODAC to go 20-0 in the regular
season, advanced tothe NCAA Division III tournament Final Four for the
first time in the historyof both R-MC and ODAC women?s basketball,
finished second in the NCAAs, puttogether the longest winning streak in
the history of the program at 23 games,and finished ranked #2 in the
nation and #1 in the South Region. Coach CarrollLaHaye was named the
Coach of the Year by both the ODAC and the Virginia SportsInformation
Directors (VaSID).? I could go on and on with both individualand team
honors, but I think you can get the point that their record from
lastseason and their 2005-2006 preview deserved recognition today.

As a former Lady Yellow Jacket I know these young women would never
complainabout being passed over, as it seems to happen much of the time
in D IIIsports, but I am going to do it for them.? My hope is the next
time acollege basketball section comes out in the newspaper you will
include R-MC andsmaller teams that might not have the budget for the
?flyest gear? or the 45person media relations team, but do have the
players that devote their time toplay basketball well and really only
play for the love of the team and the loveof the game.




Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 19, 2005, 10:02:25 AM
Great letter!!  RTD will never get the message though.  In today's paper, I could barely find the two line article about their win last night and no box scores.  What a shame. :'(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on November 19, 2005, 10:36:41 AM
Yeah I got a few phone calls from various RTD reporters saying that I was "preaching to the choir!"

They could devote a quarter of a page to the men's teams at Hampden-Sydney and R-MC but nothing on R-MC women? I don't want to turn it into a men vs. women "thing" but come on, the R-MC women are good, really good and I hope they will be covered more this season, or this subscriber will cancel!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on November 20, 2005, 04:25:55 PM
Did I miss something with Katy Herr?

Why was she not in action this weekend?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2005, 01:45:41 AM
Quote from: onesealteam on November 18, 2005, 07:14:22 PM
There was a College Basketball Section in today's Richmond Times-Dispatch that seemed to be missing this dominant RMC Women's BBall Team. The following is a letter I wrote to the Sports Editors of the T-D that I thought some would be interested in!

Bravo!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2005, 02:08:51 AM
News and newspapers are being redefined by the internet.  The most authoritiative source for RMC Lady Jacket basketball is D3hoops.com.

In the process of redefining an industry, you encourage others who have your viewpoint to look to a better source than they previously had, namely the RTD.  You may eventually realize that the RTD, and the subscription that you pay, adds no value to your life.

Asking your SID to make sure that he/she uses every tool available on this web site will strengthen this site and attract new "readers".   D3hoops.com will use the content, whether the RTD does are not.

Making sure that you support financially these sources is key to their success, to wit, the Kickoff edition of D3football.com.

This won't happen overnight, but an organized force, such as that which D3Hoops.com provides, will help to re-define the market. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on November 21, 2005, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: emufan on November 20, 2005, 04:25:55 PM
Did I miss something with Katy Herr?

Why was she not in action this weekend?

Katy played 31 minutes one game and 35 the other.  She didnt shoot well according to the box score but did have 9 rebounds, 4 steals and 5 assists in the two games.  We all know she will fill up the stat sheets as the season goes on.  Anyone know how good Oglethorpe and Emory are?  I will have to say that I was surprised that BC went 0-2 down there.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on November 21, 2005, 12:12:47 PM
Sorry...this was my part of that post.

Katy played 31 minutes one game and 35 the other.  She didnt shoot well according to the box score but did have 9 rebounds, 4 steals and 5 assists in the two games.  We all know she will fill up the stat sheets as the season goes on.  Anyone know how good Oglethorpe and Emory are?  I will have to say that I was surprised that BC went 0-2 down there.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on November 21, 2005, 09:55:39 PM
Congrats to Amanda Renelds for being named ODAC player of the week.  She deserves it!

I wasn't at the EMU vs. MBC game. Can anyone who was there let me know what happened.  I am guessing that MBC is a much improved team and EMU didn't play to their potential.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on November 22, 2005, 05:51:01 AM
I will answer my own question.

Looks like MBC shoot the ball well making 9-20 3's.

Congrats to Mathews and Renelds for collecting their 1000 pts in the past two games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on November 22, 2005, 09:07:39 PM
Got to see the Lady Eagles in action today for the first time in their home opener against Averitt.  The Lady Eagles dominated the game from start to finish and won 85-47.  Katy Herr had 16 points, 6 boards, 7 assists, and 5 steals. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on November 28, 2005, 05:36:38 PM
Mr. Turner...Today, Monday November 28, 2005 I cancelled my subscription to the Richmond Times-Dispatch.  Not all because of the non-coverage of D3 sports or Women's Basketball in general, but because you were right everything that I want to know I can get elsewhere...like on the internet.  I am sure that my $100 won't be missed too terribly by RTD...but hey, it's a start! Thanks for the wisdom!
:)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: former rmcsid on November 29, 2005, 06:34:07 PM
FYI -- Lynchburg at Randolph-Macon game starting at about 7:15.  Bus trouble for the Hornets on the way up to Ashland.  Web broadcast around 7:05 or so.

www.sportsjuice.com

Have a great night!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on November 29, 2005, 09:30:18 PM
EMU beats Roanoke by a score of 52-45.  Low scoring affair, but any ODAC win is big.

Jim,
Do you have any details about the game?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on November 29, 2005, 09:50:09 PM
R-MC with a blowout win over Lynchburg... 101-46  :o
Only two Hornets scored in double digits... but R-MC had four - Silva (26), Shaffer (25), Senske (15) and Orton (14). Morgan with a solid game as well... contributing with 7 rebounds, 5 points, 6 assists, and 4 steals (and no turnovers, I might add  :))
Looks like the Jackets have found the team chemistry they need!
Next up, a weekend trip to W&L and Roanoke... look for two more wins from R-MC  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on November 29, 2005, 10:11:01 PM
correction... Hiltunen had 14!  :)
Title: Bridgewater @ W&L
Post by: gogenerals04 on November 30, 2005, 08:08:39 AM
Bridgewater led W&L, 35-21, late in the first half when a power outage hit the Washington and Lee campus and half of Lexington. Generals sophomore point guard Emily Wolff had just launched a three-pointer, and right as the ball hit the basket the Warner Center went dark. (The shot was good and was counted by the officiating crew.)

Needless to say, the game was suspended and will be resumed at a later date--possibly tonight, now that power has been restored here. I will post details once I find out about the reschedule.
Title: Re: Bridgewater @ W&L
Post by: gogenerals04 on November 30, 2005, 10:42:00 AM
The Bridgewater-Washington and Lee women's basketball contest will be resumed at 7:00 pm tonight in the Warner Center. The Eagles are leading 35-21 with 2:49 remaining in the first half.

WLUR will continue its coverage of the game at 6:55 pm. Here's a link to our web site:

http://wlur.wlu.edu
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: former rmcsid on December 03, 2005, 05:15:17 PM
Women's basketball action in Lexington, Virginia Saturday, December 3rd:

Randolph-Macon College 68
Washington and Lee University 58

R-MC now 3-1 overall/2-0 ODAC
W&L now 1-4 overall/0-2 ODAC

R-MC leaders:
Megan Silva:  19 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks
Michelle Orton:  14 points, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks
Salem Shaffer:  11 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists
Kristen Morgan:  10 points, 5 assists, 3 steals

W&L leaders:
Kristen Krouchick:  18 points, 4 assists
Jessica Hunsinger:  17 points, 7 rebounds, 5 blocks
Emily Wolff:  10 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists

R-MC is at Roanoke Sunday at 1:00 p.m.
W&L hosts Virginia Wesleyan Sunday at 2:00 p.m.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: former rmcsid on December 04, 2005, 03:20:13 PM
From Salem, Virginia Sunday, December 4th:

Randolph-Macon College 83
Roanoke College 48

R-MC now 4-1 overall/3-0 ODAC
RC now 2-4 overall/0-3 ODAC

For R-MC:
Megan Silva 21 points, 4 assists
Lindsay Riesbeck 15 points (career-high), 5 rebounds
Kristin Thompson 12 points (career-high at R-MC), 4 rebounds, 3 assists (career-high at R-MC)
Megan Senske 7 rebounds

For RC:
Cindy McGraw 13 points, 4 rebounds
Erin Hanson 11 points, 7 rebounds
Ashley Nesbit 7 rebounds
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 04, 2005, 07:52:20 PM
Why can Washington & Lee stay with top schools such as Randolph Macon and Mary Washington, but fold under a Virginia Wesleyan?  :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 06, 2005, 07:34:49 PM
RMC up by 3 with 42.1 seconds before the half over Bridgerwater
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 06, 2005, 07:37:03 PM
halftime now
score 33-30

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 06, 2005, 08:48:31 PM
RMC wins a nail biter 80-72 over Bridgewater. Silva make 16 of 16 free throws (ODAC record), at least 8 down the stretch to contribute to the win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on December 06, 2005, 09:51:03 PM
Thanks Hoopstermom for the RMC-Bridgewater game score! That rivalry is always a good game! Silva is well....AMAZING! Congratulations Yellow Jackets!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 06, 2005, 10:14:12 PM
Game stats just posted. Silva made 12  :o free throws in the last 2:27!!! Kristen Morgan added 2 and Michelle Orten added one more in addition to a basket.   There were 9 ties throughout the game and Bridgewater was winning up until Silva sank that first in a string of free throws at 2:27.

They meet again on January 3 at Bridgewater, should be another good one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: former rmcsid on December 06, 2005, 10:41:13 PM
Just to clarify -- Megan Silva's single-game record tonight (according to the records in the ODAC media guide coming into this season) was the percentage record. 

Previously the record was 13-for-13 free throws made in a game TWICE -- once by Rosse' Hopkins of Hollins vs. Wesleyan 1/12/01 and once by Brandi Cochran of Hollins vs. Randolph-Macon Woman's College 1/7/03.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: former rmcsid on December 06, 2005, 10:47:08 PM
Some more stats from the Bridgewater at Randolph-Macon game . . .

For R-MC:
Megan Silva season and game-high 29 points, also five rebounds and game-highs of 6 assists and 5 steals
Kristin Thompson 14 points (a new career-high for her at R-MC this year) and 7 rebounds
Salem Shaffer 10 points, 4 assists
Michelle Orton 9 points, 7 rebounds

For BC:
Marsha Kinder 16 points, including 11-of-12 free throws (91.7%), plus 6 rebounds
Katy Herr 11 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals
Shanon Scales 11 points, 4 assists
Amy Childs 8 points, game-high 10 rebounds
Rebecca Henderson 8 points, 5 rebounds
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on December 08, 2005, 10:25:22 PM
Lady Eagles played another good game tonite in the ODAC at home against Roanoke.  The Eagles won 59-45, and never let Roanoke within ten in the second half, despite turning the ball over 25 times on the night.  Marsha Kinder scored right at her season average, dropping 18, and three Eagles had 10 rebounds (Katy Herr, Amy Childs, and Rebecca Henderson).  Herr also had nine assists to go along with 7 points.  Not looking ahead, (well, I actually am) RMC will be in for a dogfight again when they come to Nininger this year.  Only losing by 8 on the road the other night showed the Eagles can play with the Yellow Jackets.  I cant wait to see that one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: former rmcsid on December 08, 2005, 10:42:09 PM
Final score from Ashland, Virginia Thursday, Dec. 8th:

Randolph-Macon College 77
Eastern Mennonite University 40

Turnovers:  62
(EMU 39, R-MC 23)

Fouls:  45
(R-MC 25, EMU 20)

For R-MC:
Megan Silva 22 points (20 in the first half on 8-of-9 shooting), 4 assists, 4 steals
Kristin Thompson 9 points, 5 rebounds
Lindsay Riesbeck 8 points, 4 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 assists
Amanda Hiltunen 8 points
Michelle Orton 6 points, 8 rebounds, 3 steals

For EMU:
Stephanie Mathews 12 points, 11 rebounds, 3 steals
Megan Seward 9 points (all on 3-pointers)
Amanda Renalds 7 rebounds
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on December 09, 2005, 10:59:39 AM
How were there 39 TO's for EMU?

Did RMC press or trap?  Were the forced TO's?  Good thing EMU got to the foul line.

Hopefully Lady Royals can get on track against VWC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on December 10, 2005, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on December 04, 2005, 07:52:20 PM
Why can Washington & Lee stay with top schools such as Randolph Macon and Mary Washington, but fold under a Virginia Wesleyan?  :o

There may be several teams folding under VWC this year. :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on December 10, 2005, 08:15:45 PM
VWC picks up a good win on the road at EMU. They really never got started but did a great job to come back and win at a tough place.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 11, 2005, 12:42:58 PM
Congratulations to Guilford's Kristine Ellis for her school-record 44 points in yesterday's 104-95 Quaker victory over ODAC foe E&H.  Kristine broke the long-standing Guilford record of 43 held by my friend Elizabeth Parker '76.  In addition, the 104 points was the 3rd highest in school history and Jennifer King also "chipped in" 30. 

Go Quakers!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on December 11, 2005, 05:55:04 PM
Thats a GREAT record.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 12, 2005, 08:06:03 AM
Quote from: heinbball on December 11, 2005, 05:55:04 PM
Thats a GREAT record.
Yes.  E. Parker was a great player and K. Ellis is just a 1st year college athlete - it'll be interesting to see how her career develops.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on December 12, 2005, 09:11:47 PM
How do you think she measures up with RMC's Silva?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 13, 2005, 01:34:08 PM
Quote from: heinbball on December 12, 2005, 09:11:47 PM
How do you think she measures up with RMC's Silva?
I think it's too early to say since she's a freshman, but I'd definitely give the edge to Silva right now.  Forty-four is a great total under any circumstances, but for now I attribute much of this game to the modified run & gun "system" ball E&H was playing.  Once you break their press, there are a lot of lay-ups.  I believe Eliis was 18 of 22 overall (mostly in the paint), 1 for 1 on three-pointers and 7 of 8 on FT's.   If she has some more games like this versus other competition then I think you can more clearly begin to see how she stands.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 11:38:33 AM
It seems as tho the Quakers are playing very well of late, but what happened to them when they came to CNU?? It seems like its two different teams. Just curious.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 15, 2005, 10:38:12 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 14, 2005, 11:38:33 AM
It seems as tho the Quakers are playing very well of late, but what happened to them when they came to CNU?? It seems like its two different teams. Just curious.
I haven't seen them play enough this year to give you a definitive answer, but I know their bench is short this season.  The Quakers lost two games I know about (Greensboro and Waynesburg) when they led at the half.  Maybe it's taken a while for the many freshmen to be able to contribute.  Some players appear to be missing this year (such as Green) that added height to last year's team. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on December 23, 2005, 10:58:55 AM
A team that no one has had much to say about is VWC. I haven't had a chance to see them play yet (I hope to after the holidays) but looking at what they have done so far is pretty impressive. Road wins at Roanoke, W&L, and EMU and a win against CNU before the break.  Of course if they take after their guys team the past few years they will come back form the break slow, fat, and lazy and fall apart at this point of the season. But if they do happen to come back on that same pace, then they could be looking at an interesting run before heading to BC. I'm not saying that they are as good as their record indicates just saying no one has really mentioned them much.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 03, 2006, 10:05:55 PM
Wow ... what a game tonight!

Bridgewater upsets #7 Randolph-Macon in double-overtime, 83-81.  Silva had an excellent game finishing with 30 points on 12-of-19 shooting.  Bridgewater's Katy Herr hit the game's final shot (over Silva) to give the Eagles the win.  Herr finished with 18 points, eight rebounds and five steals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: former rmcsid on January 03, 2006, 10:58:25 PM
Kid, I said the same thing to myself when I saw the score and then the stats -- WOW.  Disappointing for the Yellow Jackets but it must have been an incredible game.  Almost sorry I didn't make the trip.

Now the BRIDGEWATER Eagles travel to the #9 MARY WASHINGTON Eagles Thursday night.  Could be an interesting week for Coach Willi's BC team.

R-MC hosts Guilford and Emory & Henry, back-to-back Saturday and Sunday.

By the way, R-MC senior forward Michelle Orton scored her 1,000th career point tonight.

Silva's 30 points was a SEASON HIGH.  Her career-high is 34 points back in November 2004.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 03, 2006, 11:36:44 PM
rmcsid,

It would have been nice to see you again had you come.  R-MC made quite a comeback in the final three or so minutes of regulation.  BC had a 10-point lead at one point, but the Jackets didn't give up.  Silva hit three threes in a row during one stretch towards the end, even with hands in her face.

The difference in the game was free throws.  R-MC was only 6-of-12, while Bridgewater hit on 24-of-26.

Hopefully the Eagles can give Mary Washington a game.  I'll be listening in.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mom#15 on January 03, 2006, 11:56:11 PM
Congratulations to VWC for being #1 in ODAC.  Keep up the good work Marlins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: religion_major on January 04, 2006, 12:33:16 AM
As far as game lines, I was very impressed by the play of BC freshman Tori Ruckman.  She recorded a double-double with 12 points and 11 rebounds tonight.  Katy Herr came on well at the end of the game and Marshia Kender played very well the whole game with 20 points.  This is the first time that I have seen Megan Silva play and all I have to say is WOW.  Great game by two very good basketball teams.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 04, 2006, 09:05:44 AM
The huge Bridgewater win proves that 1) The Jackets aren't as good as they were last year and 2) the ODAC is wide open. The Eagle's win makes for an interesting scenario right now at the top of the conference. VWC, by benefit of not having played BC or Macon yet, has moved into first place. Not a position that anyone expected them to be in, nor one that I expect that they will stay in for long. They have a tough week still ahead with games at Lynchburg (which i hope to get to to finally see the marlins in person) and home against E&H and Guilford. If however, they could somehow win those three games that would make for 2 HUGE games the 12th vs Bridgewater and the 17th vs Macon.. Those two games could go a long way in deciding the conference. I would say it's safe to
bet that even as well as VWC has played so far they are not ready for the "big time" and I don't see anyone else coming close to giving BC or Macon a run for their money so last nights win becomes even bigger at the end of the year. Now the real question is, if BC and Macon both end up with one loss. Who gets the Number 1 seed at the tourney? ANYONE?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mizzou_mafia on January 04, 2006, 11:51:26 AM
Heck of a game last night between RMC and BC.  Tough fought first half, and then when Silva went to the bench, the Eagles exploded to get that 10 point lead.  But, as long as Silva's in a game, RMC's never out of it. 

Congrats to the Lady Eagles on huge win!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on January 04, 2006, 12:19:33 PM
WOW!!!  Another fan that enjoyed a great basketball game last nite between RMC and BC.  A few thoughts....first off, I have never been a huge women's b-ball fan, but have loved the Eagles team since my sophomore year when Katie Herr and Jessica Young and Amy Childs and Shannon Scales came in as freshman.  I can now say that I enjoy watching them play more than the men (never thought I would be able to say that).  On another note...I have never seen athletes in as good of condition as those girls on both teams were last nite.  Katie and Marsha and Amy and Megan Silva (not to mention everyone else) played through two overtimes and never looked winded or like they had broke a sweat.  Marsha chased Silva around the whole second half and both overtimes almost and she would come out of timeouts looking like the game just started.  Absolutely amazing physical condition by both teams. 
Regarding the idea that RMC might not be as good this year as last year...I dont think that is exactly true.  Though BC played an amazing game (and i dont want to take anything away from them) RMC was cold last nite from the field.  They missed some easy layups that Im guessing they dont normally miss (the EMU girls team was there last nite, sitting behind me, and they kept saying "They (RMC) didnt miss any shots against us").  I still think RMC has the ability to win the conference and go very far in the playoffs, so i wouldnt say they arent as good as last year quite yet.  All I can say is that there were some stars out there last nite that for one reason or another didnt make it to Division I.  But im not complaining becasue Im lucky i get to watch them play at this level.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on January 04, 2006, 05:38:08 PM
I think the ODAC will be very interesting. Before you write VWC off, remember they almost beat Bridgewater at Bridgewater last year. BC was saved by a very late call with less than a second on the clock to allow BC to win. VWC still has those players and more.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 05, 2006, 10:42:25 PM
Freshman Sarah Flanagan scored a career-high 26 points and All-American junior forward Debbie Bruen added 15 points and nine rebounds in leading the CAC's Mary Washington to an 85-67 win over ODAC's Bridgewater. Sophomore center Liz Hickey added 13 points and ten boards.

UMW never trailed, leading 40-25 at the half.

http://athletics.umw.edu/wbindex.htm
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 06, 2006, 09:41:13 AM
I was able to slide over to Lynchburg last night to get a glimpse of the "first place" marlins of VWC. Here are my impressions :  A slightly above average team, with a group of slightly above average players. No Silva or Herr here just a group of about 11 girls who play hard. They have the ability to make outside shots, shooting something like 6 or 7 for 11 in the first half from behind the arch, but there ability to finish put backs and lay-ups could be a problem against better teams and at time they seemed to be confused about, or unable to recognize what defense the Hornets were in. There press was more bothersome than smothering, and even Lynchburg was able to beat them down the floor for some easy baskets,  They are probably  one of the top 4 team in the conference and it was easy to see how they have been able to run off an impressive winning streak against some lesser teams, but they don't have that same "here we are come get us" swagger that most 1st place teams have they have a more of a look over our shoulder to see who is behind us look about them. If they make it through this weekend with games against E&H and Guilford that will set up a big game next Thursday at BC. Then we will see what these Marlins are all about......Speaking of BC OUCH!  Let down after beating Macon or just beat by a much better team?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 06, 2006, 11:24:32 AM
It didn't look like BC let down after their win against RMC. I was impressed with their shooting as well. I don't think they matched up very well against Mary Washington in terms of size and the UMW depth kept them from ever really getting back in the game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 06, 2006, 11:39:46 AM
Quote from: eaglemaniac on January 06, 2006, 11:24:32 AM
It didn't look like BC let down after their win against RMC. I was impressed with their shooting as well. I don't think they matched up very well against Mary Washington in terms of size and the UMW depth kept them from ever really getting back in the game.

That seems about right to me, with maybe an extra emphasis on UMW's depth.  Kinder and Scales were shooting well; especially 3s.  But Bridgewater had 3 players at 31 minutes or more; Katie Herr played 39 minutes.  Mary Washington played no one more than 28 minutes, and only used 2 players more than 22 minutes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 06, 2006, 12:24:21 PM
The Fredericksburg Free Lance Star on the Mary Washington/Bridgewater game:

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/012006/01062006/158286
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on January 06, 2006, 04:02:39 PM
What they failed to mention about the VWC / Lynchburg matchup is that VWC won going away by 21.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on January 06, 2006, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 06, 2006, 09:41:13 AM
Speaking of BC OUCH!  Let down after beating Macon or just beat by a much better team?

I was fortunate enough to be at the RMC/BC game and RMC is the better team. Bridgewater faught hard and played well. RMC was flat and they played not to loose versus to win. RMC's Silva was off (eventhough posting 30 points) from average. RMC was missing easy layups and making silly passes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 07, 2006, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: heinbball on January 06, 2006, 07:31:18 PM
[I was fortunate enough to be at the RMC/BC game and RMC is the better team.
Maybe on paper, but not on the court on Tuesday night.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on January 07, 2006, 06:02:55 PM
True - Tuesday BC did come out on top. This makes for an intereseting OCAC tourney in Feb.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on January 07, 2006, 08:08:30 PM
I know they really haven't played all of the top teams in the conference but a nod needs to go to Stephanie Dunmyer at VWC for the impressive start.  Remember her first year at VWC she was 5-20 or something and almost .500 last year.  Pretty good for a young VWC team. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 08, 2006, 03:39:31 PM
Bridgewater looked good versus Lynchburg this afternoon.  Eagles won 81-63.

Now we can prepare for Virginia Wesleyan on Thursday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mom#15 on January 08, 2006, 05:50:03 PM
Bridgewater.....here VWC comes! Still undefeated!  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mom#15 on January 08, 2006, 05:54:37 PM
Quote from: Mom#15 on January 08, 2006, 05:50:03 PM
Bridgewater.....here comes VWC! Still undefeated!  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on January 09, 2006, 10:38:24 PM
Mom15,

You may have provided the kiss of death.  Never ever jinx a team.....sorry to all the basketball gods.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on January 10, 2006, 08:23:10 PM
How about a little more C match-up for first place in the ODAC thursday?  Is Bridgewater gonna pressure full court like they have been doing the past few games?  can the marlins handle the pressure?  I see it being a close game, but the home court advantage will pull thru.  Eagles by around 10.  How about 65-55.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 11, 2006, 09:13:52 AM
I don't think the "basketball gods" will be able to help the Marlins Thursday night. If the Eagles get up and pressure the Marlins they will fold like a paper bag.  The fish are about to be brought back to reality with back to back games against BC and Macon....... Congratulations on a great start, hope you enjoyed the view from the top while you were there. Just remember what goes up must come down.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 11, 2006, 03:53:16 PM
My thoughts on the upcoming Virginia Wesleyan (11-2, 6-0) at Bridgewater (7-4, 5-1) game on Thursday:

First let's take a look at who they've played...


Now let's take a look at the stats...


So I think the only way VWC will win is to win the rebounding battle and take care of the ball, seeing that they don't shoot very well from the floor.  Bridgewater is 5-0 at home this season, winning those games by an average of 20.4 points.

The Eagles have scored 70+ in seven games this season, but the Marlins have only let opponents score than many twice (and VWC won both of those times). 

Prediction: Bridgewater 76, Virginia Wesleyan 62
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on January 12, 2006, 12:34:12 AM
What goes up must come down?  I think VWC has been pretty humble about their great start of the season.  For a team to be doing so well for once at a school who is the toddler of the ODAC is to be commended.  No matter what happens in the ever-awaited BC-VWC game and the rest of the season, Coach Dunmyer and her team should be extremely proud.  Most schools dream of going undefeated in a tough league until the middle of January.  Give them their props.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on January 12, 2006, 01:17:23 AM
I think I already threw it out there that VWC really hasn't played anyone yet and they know that.  They have played the bottom of the conference. BC/Macon will let them know where they stand.  My only point is this.  The six games they have won, are six games they would have lost over the last five years.  I am excited about the improvement and look forward to seeing how they match up against the top half of the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on January 12, 2006, 01:19:18 PM
I would hardly say that "Virgina Wesleyan hasn't played anyone yet."  They've played every team in the ODAC except for R-MC and Bridgewater!  The Jackets and the Eagles have consistently been strong teams in the league - great players, great coaches - and they are due their respect, but let's not forget the ODAC is ELEVEN teams strong...it's a little haughty to belittle everyone else's performance thus far.  I don't know, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 12, 2006, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on January 12, 2006, 01:19:18 PM
I would hardly say that "Virgina Wesleyan hasn't played anyone yet."  They've played every team in the ODAC except for R-MC and Bridgewater!  The Jackets and the Eagles have consistently been strong teams in the league - great players, great coaches - and they are due their respect, but let's not forget the ODAC is ELEVEN teams strong...it's a little haughty to belittle everyone else's performance thus far.  I don't know, just my opinion.

Who isn't respecting what the Marlins have accomplished?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: former rmcsid on January 12, 2006, 05:00:07 PM
Hopefully everyone has seen the news about the ODAC vs. USA South senior all-star game in March.  What a great thing!

I do not care to give my opinion, being in sports info.  But I'd love to know everyone's thoughts on the top 15 seniors for the women in the ODAC this year. 

Each team must have at least one representative, FYI.  After those eleven, there will be four "at-large" spots to fill.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 12, 2006, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: rmcsid on January 12, 2006, 05:00:07 PM
Hopefully everyone has seen the news about the ODAC vs. USA South senior all-star game in March.  What a great thing!

I do not care to give my opinion, being in sports info.  But I'd love to know everyone's thoughts on the top 15 seniors for the women in the ODAC this year. 

Each team must have at least one representative, FYI.  After those eleven, there will be four "at-large" spots to fill.

This would be my ODAC All-Star team (starters):


PlayerSchoolPosStatistics
Amanda RenaldsEMUC14.6 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.6 bpg
Michelle OrtonRMCF11.0 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 62% FGs
Marsha KinderBCG18.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 53% 3PTs
Jennifer KingGCG21.1 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg
Megan SilvaRMCG22.4 ppg, 6.5 apg, 5.1 rpg
Brooke BarkerEHCG12.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 3.0 apg
Coby WilmerHUG13.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 2.9 spg
Lacey CurrieLCF7.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.9 apg
Stephanie MathewsEMUF8.8 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.0 spg
Meghan StensrudRMCWF18.8 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 1.9 apg
Veronica KellyRCG4.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.8 apg
Louisa FeveWLUF9.3 ppg, 5.0 apg, 4.8 rpg
Jennifer PrewittRMCWF10.0 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 1.9 apg
Kate ChildressEHCG7.1 ppg, 4.9 apg, 4.8 rpg
LeighAnn WoodleyHUF12.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 35% 3PTs

Now I'm off to the VWC-BC game!  GO EAGLES!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 12, 2006, 07:47:17 PM
Halftime here at Nininger Hall ...

Bridgewater 38
Virginia Wesleyan 23

The Marlin guards are really impressing me ... lots of energy and they take care of the ball.

Alright, gotta get back out there!  I'll report a final!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on January 12, 2006, 09:26:50 PM
Kid must have gotten stuck in the Bridgewater traffic out of the game.  Either that or he is working on some big, intricate post.  But the Eagles prevail here at BC tonite against the Marlins and  are not tied atop the ODAC with RMC (I suppose they are tied at least).  Great first half by the Eagles.  They came out a little flat in the second, and the Marlins picked up their D, but BC still won by about 10 (cant remember the final score).  Number 11 for the Marlins really impressed me.  She is the fastest player I have seen this year and can shoot the lights out.  I would like to see her and Silva up against eachother.  Good game on both ends.  Great win for the Eagles.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on January 12, 2006, 09:32:06 PM
Old School:  I don't think I belittled everyone else's performance.  I am a marlin fan, but a realistic one.  The ODAC is not a strong conference top to bottom for Women's basketball and the top two teams are BC and RMC.  They are also the two teams, before tonight that VWC hasn't played.  Hence my comment on they really haven't defeated anyone great.  They have beaten some good teams, but not a top team........ YET.  I was praising the Marlins for their fantastic start and I hope they keep it going.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 12, 2006, 09:56:27 PM
RMCSID - when and where will the senior allstar game be?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 12, 2006, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 11, 2006, 03:53:16 PM
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Prediction: Bridgewater 76, Virginia Wesleyan 62

Final score: BC 78, VWC 64.  Scary!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 12, 2006, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: bcsportswriter on January 12, 2006, 09:26:50 PM
Kid must have gotten stuck in the Bridgewater traffic out of the game.  Either that or he is working on some big, intricate post.  But the Eagles prevail here at BC tonite against the Marlins and  are not tied atop the ODAC with RMC (I suppose they are tied at least).  Great first half by the Eagles.  They came out a little flat in the second, and the Marlins picked up their D, but BC still won by about 10 (cant remember the final score).  Number 11 for the Marlins really impressed me.  She is the fastest player I have seen this year and can shoot the lights out.  I would like to see her and Silva up against eachother.  Good game on both ends.  Great win for the Eagles.

Haha.  I had a dinner-date at 9:00 pm ... didn't have time to get to a computer.

I second your comments.  I also was very impressed with #11 for the Marlins.  #22 for them had an extremely quick release ... very hard to guard.  And I liked #32's toughness down low.

I too would love to see #11 vs Silva.  Bridgewater's Katy Herr was once again nasty.  She had a tough shooting night (2-for-9), but finished with 10 points, 9 rebounds, 7 steals and 3 assists.

Virginia Wesleyan will continue giving teams a fit the rest of this season and over the next couple years.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: former rmcsid on January 12, 2006, 10:21:53 PM
hoopstermom:

Here's the link to the release on D3hoops.com . . . was sent out Wednesday by both conferences, I believe:

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=249

Take care!
Title: Biggest Disappointment?
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 13, 2006, 07:57:09 AM
W & L.  In the first half of the season, they appeared talented, sharp, and cohesive.  Since the New Year, the team seems splintered.  Their past few performances have been lackluster, mediocre at best. ???  Biggest Surprise?  VWC.  As posted earlier, the coach has an average team playing top notch ball.  Even against Bridgewater, the team refused to stop being relentless.  It will be interesting to see how all the teams finish their seasons.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 13, 2006, 10:29:13 AM
Even though BC ended up with a 14 point victory last night, had as much as a 21 point lead and never trailed the entire game,  I must tip my hat to the ladies from VWC. While they showed that they are not ready yet to WIN the "big game", they definitely proved that they do deserve to play in the "big game". If you look at the VWC roster and see the fact that they have 0 SR and that their 4 JR endured a 5 win season their first year you have to believe that no one in Marlin blue last night had been on a court in a college game with as much on the line. You could see early in the game that the nerves were working against VWC as many of their first half turnovers where caused more by their own doing then by the eagles. NOT at all to take anything away from BC's performance, they dominated the game in almost all areas, getting seemingly every ball on the floor and every big rebound. However, if VWC can find away to limit their own mistakes and learn to play in a big game environment they could be a tough out in the tournament come FEB. Congratulations to both teams on a good game. I am interested to see how the Marlins bounce back, and if they learned any thing from last night's game next week as they face Macon at home.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 13, 2006, 04:21:35 PM
I just wanted to say congratulations to both BC and VWC on a hard fought game last night. I was able to make it out to the game, and even though it seemed like BC was in control for the whole game, VWC never gave up and kept fighting.

Here are a few stats that I found interesting. Coming into last night's contest VWC averaged 3.3 fewer turnovers then BC, but last night BC recorded 8 less turnovers then the Marlins. VWC averaged 8.4 more rebounds then the Eagles coming into the contest, but BC only let the Marlins grab 2 more boards then they did. VWC also held an edge over BC in blocks per game, averaging 1.5 more then the Eagles, but Rebecaa Henderson played big for BC as she recorded 3 of BC's 6 blocks. VWC only had 1 block for the evening. Other then shooting the ball (38% FG and 14 % 3pt. FG) BC seemed to do everything they had to do last night to get the job done.

I was once again very impressed with Katy Herr (10 pts., 9 rebounds, 7 steals, 3 assists, 39 minutes). A source of mine told me that Katy was sick before the game, but she is a warrior and played an excellent game, sick or not. Every time I see her I am impressed. She may not always rack up as many points as some of the other superstars in the league, but what she brings to this BC team is unreplaceable. I was very happy to see Katy was named to the National Team of the Week. She is very deserving!

I was also impressed with Chelsey Barrett for VWC. She had 15 points, 4 assists, and 2 steals to lead the Marlins. Coming into last night's contest she was averaging just 6.8 points a game. This is my third time watching VWC and she was quiet the first two times I watched the Marlins. I had to keep looking at my program last night to figure out who #11 was. It seems as though the Marlins have several different girls who are capable of stepping up and leading this young team.

I enjoyed another good ODAC contest last night. Good job to both teams and good luck to BC on their weekend road trip to E & H and Guilford. Also good luck to the Marlins as they will face another one of the top teams in RMC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill on January 15, 2006, 04:54:19 PM
Don't be too hasty in counting out VWC to WIN a big game this season.  As more and more people are discovering, the team plays with a confidence that seems to help them overcome mistakes.  Bridgewater was fortunate to get out of that game with the WIN.  The ball bounces in strange ways some times and anything can happen, especially if the game is close in the closing minutes.  As an earlier poster pointed out, there are more than 2 teams in this league and anything can happen ... and probably will.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 15, 2006, 05:23:58 PM
Bridgewater was fortunate to get out of that game with the WIN. according to jmill. Just one question.....did you see that game?  I've seen both teams play several times.  That was not one of Bridgewater's best efforts, but there was nothing fortunate about their win.  Bridgewater controlled that entire game, even when VWC went on a small run in the second half and spent a lot of effort in trapping Bridgewater guards.  Bridgewater handled the pressure.  The closest VWC was in that game was 8 points.  Hats off to the great job that the VWC coach is doing with that program, but they're not ready for prime time yet. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill on January 15, 2006, 05:40:55 PM
Cutting a 22-point deficit down to 8 with time still to win the game is no "small run."  It may not have been one of BC's best efforts, but it wasn't one of VWC's best either.  If BC was in "control the entire game" the margin of victory would not have slipped so much.  And as far as being ready for prime time, who even mentioned that?  Just because Bridgewater pulled off an upset against R-MC doesn't make them prime time material.  What was that score at Mary Washington?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 15, 2006, 06:30:39 PM
I agree with Fairmont1113. I am not agreeing because I am a diehard BC fan, I am just agreeing because I was there and I saw the game. Bridgewater dominated the first several minutes of the game and never looked back. Coach Dunmyer of VWC was forced to call a timeout just a minute and a half into the game because BC scored on its first three possessions to go up 6-0. Bridgewater did not shoot that ball as well as they usually do, Katy Herr was sick, and they still won by 14! VWC played a pretty good game to me, jmill. That was the third time I have seen them play, and they played well. When they played at EMU and had to rely on the last second heroics of Taylor Lowe with 1 second left to win the game, shot the ball poorly, and turned the ball over 24 times, that was a bad game by the Marlins. So, to me, and this is just an opinion, VWC played well...they were never really in the game, and they lost.

I coach basketball, and let me just make a point....when a team gets a big lead, it is a pretty normal thing for them to let their guard down, for the coach to give the reserves some valuable minutes, and for the other team to take some unorthodox measures to get back in the game. Such was the case in the BC game. BC backed off the pressure, and VWC proceeded to throw up some wild shots, and they went in! Yes, VWC got back into the game, and they should be commended for that, but the only point fairmont1113 was making was that BC was not fortunate to win that game, they are a very good ball team and did what they had to do to win the ball game. They outscored the bigger Marlins in the paint, were even with them in the rebounding category, and they had several reserves get valuable playing time and take advantage of it.

I do disagree with fairmont1113 on one thing, I do think VWC is ready for the "prime time", so to speak. To me, they are the third best team in the ODAC. They are a very good team and are on the up and up. However, jmill, I could tell you were just trying to take some cheap shots about fairmont1113's comments, and that was not needed because he meant no disrespect, or at least it did not seem so by his post. I think BC is a "prime time" team. They have played much better teams then VWC and has been competitive. They have three top 25 teams, two of those are top 10 teams, and one of those teams has received votes to be number one in the nation....MARY WASHINGTON! Yes, BC lost to a very good MW team. I have seen MW play (not BC) and they are a very talented team. BC went right from playing #7 and beating them in double overtime, to playing #9 two nights later. They did not lose that badly to MW, they lost by 18, but they hung in there for a while. They only lost by 11 to #24, and played them very even. They were able to pull within four several times in the second half against #24 Oglethorpe.

Their only other loss comes to Emory. Emory is 10-3, and two of their losses were also to top 25 teams, one of them was the #2 team in the country. Bridgewater has consistently had a good team. They play good competition and get quality wins. For the second straight year their point guard (Herr) has been named to the National Team of the Week at least once. VWC has not yet played a ranked team.

One more thing, jmill....I do believe an upset to a team with a 30-game ODAC winning streak, ranked #7 in the nation, and finished runner-up in the nation the previous year does mean they should be recognized as "prime time." Also, when they played RMC the first time BC held a lead for much of the game, it was tied 64-64 with just 2:28 left in the game, and RMC managed to get some big shots from Silva and they hit their free throws. I apologize for being so long winded, but BC has played quality teams and played well. I follow a lot of the ODAC teams and know a lot. So, if you are going to make allegations about a team, know something about them and do not generalize on one game (Mary Washington). Good effort thus far to both BC and VWC, they are both playing great!

I just got a phone call that BC picked up two more wins this weekend on the road at Emory and Henry and Guilford. Also, I was able to see the Roanoke v. RMWC game on Saturday and Roanoke is playing much better then they were when I first saw them play in early December. They have now won six in a row! Does anybody have any idea why they are starting to play so well? I have not seem them enough to know. Erin Hanson has really impressed me also. She had 21 points and 13 rebounds in only 23 minutes! Can't wait to see the VWC V RMC game this week! Should be a good week of basketball in the ODAC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 15, 2006, 06:55:29 PM
Quote from: jmill on January 15, 2006, 05:40:55 PM
Cutting a 22-point deficit down to 8 with time still to win the game is no "small run." It may not have been one of BC's best efforts, but it wasn't one of VWC's best either. If BC was in "control the entire game" the margin of victory would not have slipped so much.

Here are some facts (not opinions) about the VWC-BC game:

The Marlins came in making good on 39% of their field goals, 61% of their free throws and 30% of their three-pointers.  Versus the Eagles, VWC made 38% of their field goals, 60% of their free throws and 32% of their three-pointers.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but the Marlins' performance was par for the course.

VWC never had the lead, and was only "in the game" (score-wise) for four minutes during the beginning of the first half.  BC went out to a 6-0 lead two minutes into the game ... with the Marlins staying within six or less over the next four minutes.  I suppose you can call that a small victory?!

As for the 22-point lead (52-30 w/ 12:36 remaining in the game) that you "chipped away at" ... the Marlins had the game under a 10-point lead (and never any closer than eight points) for exactly 29 seconds of the second half.  Another small victory, I'm assuming.

Quote from: jmill on January 15, 2006, 05:40:55 PM
What was that score at Mary Washington?

Hmm, perhaps you don't follow Division III women's basketball that much, not your fault.  I'll attempt to educate...

Mary Washington kicked our butt.  No question about it.  But maybe you haven't checked out the D3hoops.com Top 25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/) lately ... they are now No. 7 in the country and only one of two undefeated teams left (currently 14-0).

It's not your fault you haven't seen your Marlins play anyone.  Like I mentioned earlier in the week, VWC has played opponents with a combined win percentage of 45% ... while the Eagles have faced much tougher competition at 64%.  And if you think starting out 8-0 in the ODAC having played everyone but R-MC and BC is impressive, consider that six of those eight teams (not counting EMU and RC) have a combined 6-18 record (25%) outside the conference.  If you all are as good as you think you are, then you are suppose to win those games.

Play the Yellow Jackets tough on Tuesday, then get back to us.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: former rmcsid on January 16, 2006, 12:29:43 PM
Again, just curious -- not giving my opinion, a bad idea for an SID.

Anyone have thoughts on all-ODAC for this year?  Almost the midway point this season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on January 17, 2006, 06:44:42 AM
What is everyones take on the outcome of tonights RMC/VWC matchup at VWC? Id take RMC BY 18. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on January 17, 2006, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: rmcsid on January 16, 2006, 12:29:43 PM
Again, just curious -- not giving my opinion, a bad idea for an SID.

Anyone have thoughts on all-ODAC for this year?  Almost the midway point this season.

My picks are somewhat uninformed because i havent seen each team play (though I have seen most of them), but here is my shot at first team all-odac.

Megan Silva- RMC
Marsha Kinder- BC
Jennifer King- GC
Katie Herr- BC
Amanda Renalds- EMU

The top 3 seem like a lock because of their stats.  Katie does EVERYTHING. And Renalds is a toss up with some other players like Jessica Hunsinger (W&L) or Megan Stensrud (RMWC).  But like I said, that is a party uninformed opinion.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 17, 2006, 07:59:29 PM
For anyone interested, VWC has live stats (http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/season/05_06/games/live/xlive.htm) for the game tonight.

R-MC was up 41-31 at the half ... it remains a 10-point advantage two minutes into the second half.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Olinemom on January 17, 2006, 08:07:27 PM
Quote from: bcsportswriter on January 17, 2006, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: rmcsid on January 16, 2006, 12:29:43 PM
Again, just curious -- not giving my opinion, a bad idea for an SID.

Anyone have thoughts on all-ODAC for this year?  Almost the midway point this season.

My picks are somewhat uninformed because i havent seen each team play (though I have seen most of them), but here is my shot at first team all-odac.

Megan Silva- RMC
Marsha Kinder- BC
Jennifer King- GC
Katie Herr- BC
Amanda Renalds- EMU

The top 3 seem like a lock because of their stats.  Katie does EVERYTHING. And Renalds is a toss up with some other players like Jessica Hunsinger (W&L) or Megan Stensrud (RMWC).  But like I said, that is a party uninformed opinion.

Megan Silva and Katie Herr for sure.  Too early to tell for the others as yet.  Haven't seen EMU or GC yet.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 17, 2006, 08:48:21 PM
RMC 83  VWC 58

The Marlins lost by 25 tonight to RMC. Michelle Orton played a terrific game, scoring a game-high 28 points and pulling down a game-high 13 rebounds. Megan Silva, of course, played another gem of a game. She recorded 22 points, 7 assists, and 8 rebounds. Heather Phillips for the Marlins scored 7 points below her season average as she contributed just six points on 2-of-8 shooting.

Everyone wanted to see how #11 Chelsey Barrett would match up against Silva after her impressive 15 point performance against BC, and she did not match up that well at all. She only averages 6 points a game, and though she is a good player with potential to do some big things, she is no where at the level that Silva is. She scored just 5 points on 1-of-12 shooting.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 17, 2006, 09:22:15 PM
ew ... you're right.  #11 didn't do too well ... 1-for-12 from the floor (six misses from three-land).  Silva did have seven turnovers ... who knows how many were because of #11.

One interesting thing I did notice was versus Bridgewater, the Marlins played 10 players who all played at least 11 minutes (and no one with more than 31).  Against R-MC, the Marlins played their starters 32, 34, 36, 36 and 36 minutes.  Only one other player in double-digit minutes (10).

Again, horrid shooting by the Marlins doomed them.  Hit only 21-of-75 (28%) from the field and 17% from behind the arc ... and were outrebounded by nine.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 17, 2006, 10:31:02 PM
While Randolph Macon may have proved they were still head of the class tonight they also showed glimpse of what little class they have. Yes Silva ended with 22 points but if you read a little deeper into the stats you will see she scored most of them late in the game when the game was completely out of hand. She had six points at half time with just three shots, Orton had 16 at the half and I guess just over powered the smaller VWC posts. With the game out of reach in the 2nd half Coach LaHaye left  Silva in until 21 seconds left in the game (according to the VWC web page) .  Now that is a classy move. Guess Silva couldn't score on the Marlins #11 so she waited until the game was out of hand and the Marlins had pulled the plug to run up her totals. Not to take anything away from Megan Silva she is a great player and a true competitor but why leave her in the game at that point other than to just pad her stats. I am sure that this isn't the first time that this is happened and I am sure that the Marlins aren't the only victims. I think it goes without saying that I am not a VWC fan so I could care less about how bad Macon beat them but I hope coach LaHaye will remember the old saying "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND" Silva and Orton will be gone VERY soon, and the rest of the ODAC is getting better and better. I hope that ALL the Coaches in the ODAC will "Do unto others as they have had done unto them"... Hats off to the Orton for a monster game, and getting her points when they really counted,  and a sorry no offense to you Silva I think you are a great player, just question your coaches thought process.......
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: upper90 on January 18, 2006, 01:33:23 PM
ODACBBALLFAN

what to say, If you've been watching Macon this year you would see that they are still trying to find that "thing" to make it all come together.  A defense that they are confident in, a go-to combination, something to light a spark in them to get them playing the basketball that their talents will allow them to play.  No offense (a statement made often on this forum) but playing against teams at the bottom of the ODAC are not going to be teams that Macon will be able to FIND this thing.  They need competition, and when they are playing a team tied for first in the league why wouldnt they try to get the most out of playing them.  They are not out their trying to prove they deserve their national ranking, if you ask them they dont even know WHAT they are ranked, they are trying to prove to themselves that they a different team then last year and a damn good one at that.  Give the coaching staff a break and have faith that they are not trying to disrespect the other teams or the other coaches but trying to make their team the best that they can.  (side note, macon is playing another nationally ranked team in February, they gotta prepare somehow)     
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 03:49:03 PM
From the VWC Web Site:
"Virginia Wesleyan hit on only 1-of-6 shots and turned the ball over three times in that span to the Jackets, who were just hitting enough to steadily pull away. R-MC connected on 5-of-12 shots, including two by Michelle Orton, to pull out to a 62-42 lead with 9:20 to play.... R-MC's All-American Megan Silva finished with her game-average 22 points, tallying 10 in the final 7:12 of the contest. She exited the competition with 21 seconds to play."
Read that carefully, with a 20 point lead the yellow jackets made it a point to make sure that Silva, who had been limited to just 12 points in the game, got off enough shots in the final 7 minuets to reach her average. That has nothing to do with a team looking for any "thing" that is a selfish, individualist approach, that should disgust not only their opponents but the kids on the bench who work just as hard at practice and can't even get into a blow out. Yeah that is the kind of "TEAM" I would want to play for.  They should just call them the Megan Silva Yellow Jackets........See now you have gotten me upset. And again I want to apologize to Silva because this is not an attack on her or her abilities at all, she can't help it if her coach has no concept of team. Maybe if they would have had a little more team approach last year they wouldn't be the defending national "runner up" yellow jackets.....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 18, 2006, 06:00:41 PM
I'm sure Macon saw that the Marlins turned a 22-point deficit (52-30) against Bridgewater into an eight-point game (65-57) 11 minutes later.

I see nothing wrong with keeping starters in a game that is already won, especially less than six weeks from the NCAA tournament and players needing to be in shape enough to play 30+ minutes a game.

That's why I assumed R-MC played their starters so long in this game ... the speed of VWC (and BC) is as close to what the NCAA tournament teams will be like, so I see it as good preparation.

To prove my point, I looked up how many minutes per game the starters from last year's Final Four Macon team played in the tournament (five games) ... and it proves it:

Silva averaged 39.2
Shaffer averaged 32.2
Morgan averaged 31.6
Crider averaged 27.4
Orton averaged 25.0

In the VWC/R-MC game yesterday, the starters played:

Silva, 39
Orton, 33
Morgan, 29
Senske, 27
Hiltunen, 23

That's almost identical to the average minutes per game by the starters last year in the NCAA tournament.

So be frustrated the Marlins lost by 25 points, but don't say Macon was unclassy.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 18, 2006, 06:23:33 PM
I do not see anything wrong with the way RMC played that game. When you are blowing teams away almost every game, its hard to keep benching your All-American so the bench can see minutes. That would become an every game affair if RMC played that way. I do think that the yellow jackets rely too heavily on Silva, and that next year will be quite a task for Coach LaHaye to devise a game plan where the Jackets will play as more of a team then a one-woman wrecking crew.

Talking about sportsmanship, I have been dissapointed with VWC and their sportsmanship. At the three games I have seen them play, I have noticed more and more that they are great athletes, but not the best of sports. The players complain on most every call the ref calls against them, and at both the BC game and the EMU game, there were several times that a VWC player would cause someone on the opposite team to hit the ground hard, and rather then helping them up, the VWC player would just walk away. That is not classy!

This is my vote for first team on not only skills, but on their class.....

Megan Silva
Katy Herr

Both of these girls are outstanding basketball players, and I always see them go out of their way to help an opposing player off the floor. Hats off to them!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 18, 2006, 06:30:21 PM
I was at the BC v. VWC game, and I agree. There were several times that one of Bridgewater's girls would hit the ground hard, and a VWC player would just walk right by them. I was sitting around BC fans and there were several times that the crowd yelled at the VWC team to help their opponents up. That is just the right thing to do. That does not exemplify class or good sportsmanship.

I also am impressed with Herr and Silva. Everytime I have seen them play, they both have had excellent games and have always congratulated one another after the game. They help other players off the floor, and the few minutes that they might see on the bench, they are their teams biggest cheerleader. I wish Silva would not talk to the refs so much on free throws, but Michael Jordan used to do the same thing, so I guess she is just acting her part as a super star.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 06:34:55 PM
I could care less about the 25 point loss, not a Marlin fan. I'm not talking about running up scores or your absurd idea about how playing 39 minuets now will some how help Silva be better in March... What if heaven forbid the officials in the NCAA tournament don't protect her like the ODAC officials do and she gets into foul trouble. Makes more sense then to have played some other people when the chance was given. This is nothing more than blatant stat padding. Just be happy with the 12 points and 20 point win and walk away injury free...........
"several times that a VWC player would cause someone on the opposite team to hit the ground hard, and rather then helping them up, the VWC player would just walk away."
Silva is lucky that VWC showed enough class not to put her on the floor intentionally . (See John Chaney and how he feels about starters in blowouts)
Again I am not saying that Silva is not a classy player, if her coach is going to leave her in then by all means do what you do. Nothing against her shooting the shots since she is in there, just dont want to hear how impressed everyone is with her 22 point performance, i'll give her 12 earned ponts and 10 cheapies......
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 18, 2006, 07:51:34 PM
It's halftime here in Bridgewater, as the Generals are hanging tough only down 32-22.

Turnovers and fouls have plagued the Eagles thus far, but W&L hasn't capitalized on the foul shots, missing most of them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 08:01:08 PM
Surprising first half at BC. W&L  (yes the same ones that LOST to RMWC) are keeping within striking range. I would expect BC to pull away in the second half.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 18, 2006, 08:19:29 PM
Still a close one here ...

8:49 left in the game, BC only up 53-42.  W&L's center (#32) is a blocking machine!  Also has a great nose for where the rebound will go.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2122rspc on January 18, 2006, 08:23:02 PM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a coach playing her starters late in a game when the lead is 20 points or less.  How often do you see Roy Williams or Coach K take their starters or main players out with that small of a lead?  In basketball, 20 points is not a blow out...I played basketball for a very long time and I have seen coaches do things that weren't classy...an example is when Peace beat Bennett College like 97-3 about 5 years ago.  They even made it to ESPN for the lowest point total of an opponent in a college game ever or something.  The coach at Peace at that time pressed so that they could get the record.  The current Peace coach is not the same coach.

I played against RMC 3 years ago in the first round of the NCAA tournament.  Their coach and players were a class act and Megan Silva was an amazing freshman.  I don't think letting her play in reasonably close games her senior year is unclassy.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 18, 2006, 08:34:55 PM
Wow ... Bridgewater finished on an 18-4 run to win 71-46.  And that was with our starters out and the W&L starters staying in until the last minute.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill on January 18, 2006, 08:38:07 PM
There is nothing wrong with keeping in starters to the end of the game, there's just nothing bright about it either, unless the game is close.  VWC's players were visibly tired and trailing by a margin that was totally safe for RMC at the time.  The not-so-bright part is that it puts the starters at risk for injury.  In fact, Silva tripped as she tried to turn and fell to the court.  It was only THEN that the RMC decided to take her out.  What if she would have twisted an ankle, or worse yet, broke something on that fall?  Was it worth it just to get 10 points so she could make her average?  There were still plenty of games ahead where she could make up what she missed.  So, nothing wrong yes, classy no.  If Silva would go down for whatever reason, so would RMC's chances of doing much of anything in the post-season tournament.

As for the poster who was disappointed with VWC's sportsmanship, be careful about pointing fingers at other teams until you know your team is absolutely innocent.  And I think that is almost impossible.  

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 08:39:15 PM
I am really surprised by the responses on the topic of keeping Silva in to score. I am goign to keep a close eye the rest of the year on all teams just to see what goes on.... good win tonight for BC pulling away from W&L ("with their starters out")
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 18, 2006, 08:40:35 PM
Odacbballfan. the only one showing a lack of class is you.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 08:53:02 PM
Haha spoken like a true Randoplh Macon fan! That is the problem. most of you guys are so brainwashed that you don't have any idea what is classy... . Playing hard and beating a team becuase you are better, YES... Just playing to make sure you get your average, not so much....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 08:58:47 PM
RMC gets hollins on sunday lets see how many points and min Silva can run up on that very stong oppenent.... Let's see if Silva can score 40 points and play 35 min in that sure to be 50 point blowout, that will be real impressive to everyone.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 18, 2006, 09:18:24 PM
Odacbballfan, gosh, you have a bad case of Silva-envy.  Just take your meds, you'll be okay.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on January 18, 2006, 09:30:21 PM
As a coach, I think it is okay to leave in your starters for as long as you like.  As long as you aren't full court pressing and trapping, getting easy steals and lay-ups. 

Just a thought.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 09:32:52 PM
I'm done arguing this, The fact of the matter is, Silva is a great player and can pretty much score at will when ever she needs too. I just don't see how doing it at the end of a game that is out of hand counts for a "great game" The 2nd half of the season should be fun I am willing to bet there are an uset or two left out there before this year is over
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on January 18, 2006, 09:34:57 PM
Dear ODAC BBALL FAN:

AS A FOLLOWER OF DIVISION THREE BASKETBALL I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE THINKING. SILVA IS A RARITY IN DIVISION THREE AND YOU SHOULD ENKOY WATCHING HER PLAY. SHE IS GOING TO CLIP THE 2000 POINT MARK SOON AND IF YOU THINK HER POINTS ARE GARBAGE YOU ARE WRONG!!! HAVING SEEN RMC AND MANY OTHER GOOD TEAMS PLAY THIS YEAR LAHAYE IS NOT LEAVING SILVA IN TO PICK UP POINTS. IN FACT SILVA HAS HAD CHANCES TO SCORE A LOT. EARLIER IN THE YEAR SHE HAD 25 AT THE HALF AND ENDED UP WITH 29. THE REASON BEING 9 SECOND HALF ASSISTS AND 4 OF THEM ON BREAKAWAYS. SO BEFORE YOU ARE A HATER OF A FINE FEMALE ATHLETE LOOK INTO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

NOBODY COMPLAINS WHEN COACH K HAS JJ REDDICK IN THE GAME AND THEY ARE UP 30

DO ALL OF US A FAVOR AND ENJOY THE SHOW WHILE IT LAST.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2122rspc on January 18, 2006, 09:37:39 PM
I agree, EMUfan....unclassiness is shown when a game is clearly out of hand and the team with the lead is still pressing or trapping to get easy layups.  We've all had games where teams have done this to us and no one likes it.  However, we've also all been the team who had a sizeable lead and coaches often use this time to run new plays in game situations, change lineup combinations, work on new defenses and such.  There is nothing wrong with that.  

JMill, I also agree with you about the fact that it is also a time when you are taking a risk of your starters being injured.  And in those times, it comes down to what the coach wants to do.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 18, 2006, 09:37:44 PM
Quote from: 78rmc on January 18, 2006, 09:18:24 PM
Odacbballfan, gosh, you have a bad case of Silva-envy.  Just take your meds, you'll be okay.

Investing in a punching bag might do the trick.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 10:16:41 PM
Last time on this subject... you guys are not reading what actually happened... It wasn't about running new plays, new d's and working on things to get better. Macon specifically ran plays to get Silva the ball so that she could score. No offense, no working on things just make sure Silva gets some shots up.....It has nothing to do with leaving people iin or running up scores but it really doesn't matter, it was just a point of view, one wich is not a popular one but i am big enough to take the heat......
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 18, 2006, 10:31:36 PM
jmill.....

I made the post about VWC and their sportsmanship. I have seen them play three times, and each time have thought to myself that sportsmanship is an area they could improve in. I coach basketball, played basketball, and am just a fan of the game. I love the ODAC. I have seen every team but Guilford and Hollins play this year. I have no favorite team, so I am not very biased. I tend to cheer for players from my area....Augusta and Rockingham Counties. Since I have no favorite team, I can look at the VWC squad and give an honest opinion about their sportsmanship, or lack of it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill on January 18, 2006, 10:55:47 PM
Yes, valley, you can give your own opinion.  But you see what you want to see and interpret things your own way.  Everyone does.  You're making a huge judgement on three games.  Since you've seen all but two ODAC teams play, are all of the other ODAC teams innocent of the same charge?  You're fooling yourself if you say "yes."   

Heinball, there is no comparison between RMC and what goes on at Duke.  But you are right, people should enjoy what RMC is doing, at least RMC fans should enjoy it, while it lasts.  After seeing them play four times now, with little improvement, I don't foresee them getting a spot in Springfield.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 18, 2006, 11:42:27 PM
odacbballfan,

Wow ... I sure hope you're just playing around and trying to stir stuff up on here, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.  Let me help by informing you on the facts:

With 10:05 left in the game, R-MC was up 60-42.  You state, and I quote;

Quote from: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 10:16:41 PM
Macon specifically ran plays to get Silva the ball so that she could score. No offense, no working on things just make sure Silva gets some shots up.

I sure hope you weren't at the game, because this is what happened in those last 10 minutes...

R-MC attempted 19 shots (two of which were non-Silva shots that sent a Yellow Jacket to the line for two).  So that leaves us with 17 shots.  Orton took five of them.  That leaves 12 shots.  Hiltunen took three, leaving nine shots.  Thompson attempted two, which leaves us with seven shots.  Senske, Morgan and Shaffer all attempted one shot apiece, leaving us with four shots.

So yeah, Silva had a whopping four shot attempts during the last 10 minutes of play.  So you're saying that Silva taking four of her team's 19 shot attempts is, and I quote;

Quote from: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 10:16:41 PM
Macon specifically ran plays to get Silva the ball so that she could score. No offense, no working on things just make sure Silva gets some shots up.

I'm just trying to make sure I'm clear on this.  So what you're trying to say is that Silva taking 21% of her team's shots in the game's last 10 minutes means that, and I quote;

Quote from: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 10:16:41 PM
Macon specifically ran plays to get Silva the ball so that she could score. No offense, no working on things just make sure Silva gets some shots up.

I know, I know ... my post is loaded with sarcasm.  I just hope this is the way to get across to you, because the other (more educational) ways didn't.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on January 19, 2006, 07:58:45 AM
I haven't posted in a while....but I will comment on this subject.  I've seen Silva play quite a few times in her 4 years, and there is no doubt that she is great.  I think she can score at will, on any given night, and against any given team.  Thats all qualities of a Great player, and in my opinion, you want those players on the floor for the majority of the game. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 19, 2006, 08:50:26 AM
It has become very evident that I am the only one on this board that feels that an all-American, jacking up a three pointer with 1:50 left in a 30 point game, or scoring her last bucket with 29 seconds left when you could just run out the clock is not good basketball. Therefore, I will do what any good politician would do and flip-flop my view on the subject. I no longer care what the score is or how much time is left.
FIRE AWAY!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 19, 2006, 09:07:41 AM
Congratulations to the Quakers for a 96-92 road win at E&H last night.  I saw a few posters had Jennifer King on their 1st Team All-ODAC list.  She didn't hurt that recognition by dropping 36 on the Wasps last night. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 19, 2006, 09:36:12 AM
Well, before you got sarcastic with the statement;

Quote from: odacbballfan on January 19, 2006, 08:50:26 AM
I no longer care what the score is or how much time is left.  FIRE AWAY!!!!

You changed your position on the matter from;

Quote from: odacbballfan on January 18, 2006, 10:16:41 PM
Macon specifically ran plays to get Silva the ball so that she could score.

to;

Quote from: odacbballfan on January 19, 2006, 08:50:26 AM
It has become very evident that I am the only one on this board that feels that an all-American, jacking up a three pointer with 1:50 left in a 30 point game, or scoring her last bucket with 29 seconds left when you could just run out the clock is not good basketball.

Fact #1: Silva's three-point attempt with 1:50 left was one of three the Jackets attempted in the second half (and Silva's only attempt).  Fact #2: Silva's jumper with 29 seconds left came with only seven seconds left on the shot clock.

I don't think you know what you are arguing about/for anymore.  Therefore, I need to shut up and let you be.  So go ahead and get in a good last word on the subject.

Maybe this time you'll be fuming at the fact Silva made a steal with 5:49 left in the game.  How could she!!!   >:(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 19, 2006, 11:28:12 AM
Okay odacbballfan - I'll help you out.  It does seem pretty evident that Macon tries to pad Silva's stats.  Which is sad, because she's and Excellent player and doesn't need the help.  As for starters staying in, Bridgewater did keep their starters in until the two minute mark against W & L.  However, they weren't trying to up Kinder's or Herr's stats.  Just another opinion.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on January 19, 2006, 12:42:20 PM
whitecaylxx,

Evident how? Can you give me some stats that back up your claim, or are you just talking out the side of your mouth like odacbballfan?

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 19, 2006, 01:00:03 PM
The Daily News Record out of Harrisonburg, Virginia ran a nice article on Katy Herr in today's print. Here is the link if you would like to read it.....

http://www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=2580&CHID=3

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 19, 2006, 01:28:26 PM
Here is my opinion on what the first team in the ODAC would look like if the season were to end today.

1st Team:

Megan Silva-RMC (22.8 ppg-1st, 5.4 rpg-20th, 6.77 apg-1st, 3.15 spg-2nd
                             and she is second in assist-to-turnover ratio)

Katy Herr-BC (11.5 ppg-18th, 5.9 rpg-18th, 4.07 def.rpg-14th, 4.80 apg-2nd,
                       3.60 spg-1st, fourth in assist-to-turnover ratio)

Jennifer King-GU (21.4 ppg-2nd, 7.3 rpg-10th, 3.29 apg-9th, 2.57 spg-5th,
                            14th in assist-to-turnover ratio)

Meghan Stensrud-RMWC (17.5 ppg-4th, 8.2 rpg-5th, 0.83 bpg-11th)

Jessica Hunsinger- W&L (16.2 ppg-5th, 10.4 rpg-2nd, 3.00 bpg-1st)

King, Silva, and Herr do absolutely everything for their teams. Herr does not average as many points as Kinder (BC, 19.1-3rd), but she does so much for the Eagles in every other statistical category, that I thought she would deserve 1st team over Kinder. The one thing that all three of these players do is lead their team in minutes. The reason I feel like they should be first team selections is the fact that they are so vital to their team's success.

Stensrud and Hunsinger, in my mind, are two of the best posts in the league right now. Both players might not come from the strongest teams, but their performances speak for themselves.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 20, 2006, 10:33:21 PM
No "love" for LC's Caroline Wesley? Shes cureently averaging 14.9 points a game on .537 shooting overall and .788 from FT. She is also averaging 8.5 rebounds, .73 blocks, and 1.1 steals a game. And to think she's even been playing better the past few games! Against hollins she had 18 points, 13 boards, 2 assists, and 3 steals. Against Roanoke she had 23 points, 13 boards, 3 blocks, and 6 steals (and the last time I checked roanoke was a solid squad). Against W&L she had 12 points in only 17 minues because of foul troubule, and Hunsinger had to take 18 shots to score 13 points (5 of the points came from the FT stripe where she was only 5 for 10). Against Ferrum she had 15 points, 10 boards, 2 blocks, and 1 steal. Against EMU she was the best player on the court scoring 22 points along with 12 boards. Against VWC she had 9 points and 11 boards. Against Averett she had 24 points and 11 boards. I won't go on with the stats anymore. She's obviously proven herself as one of the best post players in the ODAC and outperformed Hunsinger in their one matchup to date. Caroline Wesley should most definitely get consideration for at least 2nd team all-odac, if not first team! And she's doing all of this on a team that has has to make hte transition to a new coach, on a team that was projected to only finish 9th in the ODAC, and i'm sure the scouting reports absolutely stress that they make her really work for her points!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Olinemom on January 21, 2006, 03:37:32 AM
So tomorrow's the big BC EMU showdown and nobody is saying anything?  What is the problem?  Every time I look around at our games at Nininger, I see the EMU ladies waltzing in to watch us play.  Tomorrow they come for real.  I think it will be a good game.  I hope we stay focused because EMU has some potent weapons.  Stephanie Matthews--I've watched her play since 9th grade and she is terrific.  And there are several others that can be very damaging.  Go Eagles!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 21, 2006, 11:27:22 AM
In regards to the post about giving Caroline Wesley no resect, that is not true. My picks were simply for the first team, and if I would have ventured further to give any second team picks, Wesley would definitely be a top candidate. I have seen Lynchburg play once, and that was actually the W & L game. Wesley did play limited minutes because of foul trouble, so I did not get a good look at her. Hunsinger still came up with a double-double (13 pts. and 10 rebounds) and she played very good defense (2 blocks).

I think Wesley is without a doubt a terrific player, Stephanie Tobey is doing an excellent job as a first year coach, and that Lynchburg is having a much better season then a lot of people thought they would have, (6-9 4-6). Turner Gym is turning out to be a tough place to play as the Hornets are now 5-3 at home. Good luck today against Guilford. That should be a good game!

I agree with you, onlinemom. I have seen EMU players on several occasions at Bridgewater games, and yes, today they are coming in for real. This game in recent years has received more hype because it has been typically two of the best teams in the ODAC playing. I am not saying anything against EMU, they are an excellent team and are very dangerous, they proved that against VWC. However, if Bridgewater plays the ball game the way they are capable of playing it, I think this game will go in the Eagles' favor. I am just cheering for a good game on both sides of the court. Good luck today!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Olinemom on January 21, 2006, 02:23:42 PM
If we play our "A" we will have no problem, but we need 2 halfs of good bball, not just 1.  Go Lady Eagles!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 21, 2006, 02:32:35 PM
Definitely. If the Eagles play their "A" game it won't be a contest. BC came out very sloppy against W&L and got off to a slow start before pulling away in the second half. I don't think the Eagles can do that today against EMU. EMU has a lot of weapons and are a team with potential. Hopefully BC will come out firing on all cylinders and put this game away early. Go Eagles!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 21, 2006, 03:07:28 PM
If anyone has any information on any of the games that went on today, let us know. Thanks!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 21, 2006, 03:32:30 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on January 19, 2006, 11:28:12 AM
Okay odacbballfan - I'll help you out.  It does seem pretty evident that Macon tries to pad Silva's stats. 

Does Silva lead the league in minutes played per game? If not this is all just jealous grumbling.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 21, 2006, 06:05:59 PM
Bridgewater 77
Eastern Mennonites 61

Final

It just ended here in Nininger Hall ... Marsha Kinder (BC) was on fire tonight ... not certain about her stat line, but it was near perfect it seemed.  BC was up 41-26 at the half, and I believe EMU got no closer than 12 points in the second half.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 07:06:24 PM
Hollins' Colby Wilmer appears to be leading the ODAC in minutes per game at 39.5.
Guilford's Jennifer King, 38.6
RMWC's Sara Rechnitzer, 37.2
Hollins' LeAnn Woodley, 36.9
Bridgewater's Katy Herr, 35.5
RMWC's Meghan Stensrud, 34.8
W&L's Kristen Krouchick, 34.3
RMWC's Lianna Carrera, 34.0
Megan Silva, 33.3
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 21, 2006, 07:17:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 07:06:24 PM
Hollins' Colby Wilmer appears to be leading the ODAC in minutes per game at 39.5.
Guilford's Jennifer King, 38.6
RMWC's Sara Rechnitzer, 37.2
Hollins' LeAnn Woodley, 36.9
Bridgewater's Katy Herr, 35.5
RMWC's Meghan Stensrud, 34.8
W&L's Kristen Krouchick, 34.3
RMWC's Lianna Carrera, 34.0
Megan Silva, 33.3

Good job Pat. Was getting ready to post same. Things are always clearer using facts instead of emotions. Silva is 9th in playing time, 1st in scoring. If we want to point at padding we might want to look at someone like Guilford. King is 2nd in playing time and 2nd in scoring.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on January 21, 2006, 11:02:52 PM
I don't think comparing playing time and points is a good way to decide if a player is padding their stats.  It depends on the game itself. 1)  If a team is up by thirty and your best player is still in the game shooting the ball like it is a close game, than that is padding your stats. 2)If a team is in a bunch of close games, and you are the best player, than you better be in the game taking the 'big' shots. 

Just comparing playing time and pts isn't a good way to evaluate stat padding.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 21, 2006, 11:26:24 PM
WOW Finally a voice of reason, thanks EMUfan because I really don't think people are even trying to understand the original point. It's not the amount of minutes (Which if you look at it is filled mostly, I SAID MOSTLEY!!!! With girls from teams with not only losing records but with teams with only 8 dressed players!!! So you can't really count them at least in my opinion) Back to the point, we aren't talking about the minutes played just about when they are played. For example, Megan Silva played only 1 more minute today (40) in a close hard fought 10 point win over Roanoke then she did (39) in the 30 point blowout of VWC....Speaking of which, VWC beat Hollins today 93-44 and no one played over 20 minutes all 13 players on the roster played double digit minuets and all 13 scored.... no report on the web site if they knocked anyone to the ground and refused to help them up... Congratulations to the EAGLES with a big win over EMU at home, maybe the Royals should have taken some more notes during all those times they came to watch BC play.. (Sorry EMUFAN  ;) but thanks for the logic on the pt topic   ;D )
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 21, 2006, 11:32:00 PM
Quote from: emufan on January 21, 2006, 11:02:52 PM
I don't think comparing playing time and points is a good way to decide if a player is padding their stats.  It depends on the game itself. 1)  If a team is up by thirty and your best player is still in the game shooting the ball like it is a close game, than that is padding your stats. 2)If a team is in a bunch of close games, and you are the best player, than you better be in the game taking the 'big' shots. 

Just comparing playing time and pts isn't a good way to evaluate stat padding.

Lets see...like Guilford eating Thiel by 20 and King playing all 40 minutes?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 21, 2006, 11:34:59 PM
Quote from: emufan on January 21, 2006, 11:02:52 PM
I don't think comparing playing time and points is a good way to decide if a player is padding their stats.  It depends on the game itself. 1)  If a team is up by thirty and your best player is still in the game shooting the ball like it is a close game, than that is padding your stats. 2)If a team is in a bunch of close games, and you are the best player, than you better be in the game taking the 'big' shots. 

Just comparing playing time and pts isn't a good way to evaluate stat padding.

Like Guilford beating Thiel by 20 and King playing all 40 minutes?o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 21, 2006, 11:43:34 PM
or Kerr playing 38 minutes as BC beats W&L by 25
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 21, 2006, 11:50:39 PM
or Herr playing 35 minutes the second game BC beats W&L by 25 ???


  The fact is if RM wanted to pad Silva's stats she would be playing alot more than 33 minutes a game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 07:24:52 AM
  BC came out and won in the first 7 minutes. Kinder came out on fire from 3 point range. The rest of the game was pretty even.
  It is time for BC to get some top 25 votes now.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 08:08:49 AM
Jennifer King is playing 40 min on a Guilford team that is dressing 8 (E I G H T) players, 2 of which or freshmen that were not on the roster first semester but because some players did not come back they added two bodies to fill uniforms. If you have a chance to watch this team warm up, you can find the new additions pretty easy, they are the ones that can't walk and chew gum at the same time...... The Quakers are 4-10 So I am sure they were excited just to be in the lead of a ball game. Silva is averaging 33 on a team that has a +21 scoring margin. And I am going to say publicly that I think that stat is padded, I think she averages more than that. Its funny how she doesn't seem to be in the games at home as long as she does on the road even in blow outs.. Maybe a little help from the SID there trying not to make the numbers look so inflated....Just a conspiracy theory that I thought would be fun to toss out there...And yes I will agree that sometimes Herr may stay in a game longer than needed as well. But to compare Jennifer King and her Situation and anyone at Hollins or RMWC and their playing time is absurd. That is just not comparable.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 22, 2006, 08:22:54 AM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 08:08:49 AM
And I am going to say publicly that I think that stat is padded, I think she averages more than that. Its funny how she doesn't seem to be in the games at home as long as she does on the road even in blow outs.. Maybe a little help from the SID there trying not to make the numbers look so inflated...

:D :D :D lol....there you go wandering away again from the land of reality and facts. Quick go find Nurse Ratched so you don't miss your morning meds.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 22, 2006, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 07:24:52 AM
  BC came out and won in the first 7 minutes. Kinder came out on fire from 3 point range. The rest of the game was pretty even.
  It is time for BC to get some top 25 votes now.

Not with 4 losses.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 09:05:42 AM
Ok first of all it must be nice to have played 10 of your 14 first games at home. Ok here are the umbers:
10 games at home record of 9-1 Average minutes played 32.4, average points 21.2, +23.8 scoring margin vs teams. On the road in only 4 games 3-1 37.25 min per game, 21.25 points per game +17 scoring margin.... BUT ODACBBALLFAN those numbers are so skewed by the double overtime game at BC. Ok lets take that one out 33.6 min per game 18.3 points per game average scoring margin +23.3. Looks like Silva needs a lot more min on the road to score the same amount she does at home, or maybe she just plays just as much at home but it is hidden.... MAN IS THIS FUN OR WHAT HAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 22, 2006, 11:29:45 AM
Someone make a note on the front page when all the talk about padded stats ends on this board.....then I'll be back to read again.    :'(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 22, 2006, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 07:24:52 AM
  BC came out and won in the first 7 minutes. Kinder came out on fire from 3 point range. The rest of the game was pretty even.
  It is time for BC to get some top 25 votes now.

Even if we finished the year with only four losses, we still won't receive a vote.  It's tough to in the that poll.  There is still a 14-1 Muhlenberg team (atop the Centennial Conference standings) who hasn't received a vote yet.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 22, 2006, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 22, 2006, 11:29:45 AM
Someone make a note on the front page when all the talk about padded stats ends on this board.....then I'll be back to read again. :'(

I agree with you, hoopstermom, all this talk is a little ridiculous. I don't really feel like talking about this topic, but I do want to set something straight. Katy Herr is left in the game not to pad her stats, she is left in the game because BC really does not have much depth at the point position. Herr is second on the team in shots taken, and she has only taken five shots more then Scales and 27 shots more the Childs.

Coach Willi leaves Herr out there to control the game. From the times I have seen the Eagles play, BC needs Herr out there! Herr is a point guard, she was 18th in the league in scoring the last time I checked. She is not left in the game to pad her stats, she stays in there to control the tempo of the game.

RMC has more depth at Silva's position to play around with, but this is Silva's last year, so let her run wild! I feel like that will benefit the ODAC for next year. RMC will truly miss Silva, I do not RMC will have anyone with shoes big enough to fill Silva's. She is an amazing player, and when you have a player like that, you use her. They rely on her so heavily, that next year Coach LaHaye will have quite a challenge in molding a non-Silva team together.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 12:53:34 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 22, 2006, 11:29:45 AM
Someone make a note on the front page when all the talk about padded stats ends on this board.....then I'll be back to read again.    :'(

Are you kidding me this is the best topic that has been on this board in a long time. just look at the conversation it has brought, and it's all true which makes it even better  :o
Title: GAVA: The following teams got top 25 votes last week:
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 01:06:15 PM
Clark 11-4
Thomas More 13-5
UW Oshkosh 14-4
Wilmington 12-5

  I did not say the BC ladies were a top 25 team. I said they do deserve a few votes as some other teams with 4 and 5 losses have gotten. BC is perhaps a top 40 team on the Women's side.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 01:19:14 PM
odacbballfan:

You can't pad minutes, especially on a point guard. If the stat crew were to, for whatever reason you want to conjur up, check her out of the game while she was still in, who would get point guard stats while she was out?

The mere size of your sample makes your comparison ridiculous. Is a three-game average statistically reliable? No way.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 01:20:16 PM
I know Oshkosh is in a very tough league but for those 3 other teams my comparison is valid.
Title: Re: GAVA: The following teams got top 25 votes last week:
Post by: GAVA on January 22, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 01:06:15 PM
Clark 11-4
Thomas More 13-5
UW Oshkosh 14-4
Wilmington 12-5

  I did not say the BC ladies were a top 25 team. I said they do deserve a few votes as some other teams with 4 and 5 losses have gotten. BC is perhaps a top 40 team on the Women's side.

agree with you there...you would think they would get a couple votes
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 03:23:50 PM
Let's see -- other than UW-Oshkosh, which you already admit is worthy because of the strength of the WIAC, none of those teams had that many losses entering the week. All have lost this week, one of them twice.

Talk about comparing apples and oranges. When those teams were voted on, last Monday, they did not have those records. And I would be surprised if Thomas More and Clark got any votes at all next week.

So compare Bridgewater to teams that aren't going to get votes tomorrow if you like. That doesn't help Bridgewater's cause much.
Title: Bridgewater women may get a few top 25 votes:
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 03:49:31 PM
The reality is that Wilmington and Thomas More did enter the week with 4 losses each and both got a few top 25 votes. If the BC women do not get any votes this week (you could make a case either way) they will after they defeat Hollins and Lynchburg this week.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 22, 2006, 03:52:29 PM
ODAC Scoreboard - Sunday, January 22

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
#15 R-MC 97
HU 43
FINALSilva (R-MC) surpasses
2,000 points
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VWC 69
RC 67
FINALWheeler (VWC)
16 pts, 5 rebs
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Title: Re: Bridgewater women may get a few top 25 votes:
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 03:49:31 PM
The reality is that Wilmington and Thomas More did enter the week with 4 losses each and both got a few top 25 votes. If the BC women do not get any votes this week (you could make a case either way) they will after they defeat Hollins and Lynchburg this week.

Why do you think so? Is there something about Lynchburg and Hollins that vault them into poll-worthiness over last week?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 01:19:14 PM
odacbballfan:

You can't pad minutes, especially on a point guard. If the stat crew were to, for whatever reason you want to conjur up, check her out of the game while she was still in, who would get point guard stats while she was out?

The mere size of your sample makes your comparison ridiculous. Is a three-game average statistically reliable? No way.

It's a computer program. When the game is over you go in and look and see that Silva played 37 min in a 30 point game you just knock her down to 32 and give some one else some min. and it doesn't look as bad. That doesn't happen on the road so her number are acurate....It's not my fault they don't have any non-conference away games, might be another reason why they won't win the NCAA tounry cause they are home bodies.....Congratulations To Silva on her 2,000 points, have seen the stats from the game yet but I will give her what ever she scored today as legit try to get that record at home....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 05:27:24 PM
I don't think you're very familiar with stat crew. You'd have to go back in and change all the play-by-play involved with the time she was "out" as well as fabricate substitutions to get her out of the game.

Your line of accusation is growing tiresome and I don't know how much longer I'll tolerate your attempts to smear a sports information professional.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 05:49:51 PM
So now we are going to started editing peoples opinions. You don't have to agree with what I say but i am sue I am not the only person in the ODAC that feels this way, even if those people aren't posting on this web page. The stat crew CAN be changed with just a few extra minutes of work, I HAVE USED and am very aware of the proccess, and if someone wanted to change it they very easly could. Fact of the matter is if every one would stop being so in awe of RMC and start paying attention to some of the things that goes on at that place they would be surprised. And i'm not even talking about girls bball any more I am talking about all the sports at that place. Go to a home game count the people there then check the attendance on the box score....Yeah try and figure those numbers out and make them add up. but hey you dont have to believe a word I say what do i know.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 06:13:39 PM
Attendance is like that everywhere. You have got to be kidding me if you are going to hang any one particular school by that!

You can have any opinion you want. But at some point I'm not going to allow you to express that particular opinion on this board. This is private property and there are Terms of Service you need to abide by.

You have been formally warned. Think about it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 06:34:07 PM
 Yesterday I attended the BC/EMU game. Marsha Kinder made a free throw that was not put on the scoreboard. In addition, the score on the board as time expired was 78-60 for BC but then 10 seconds later it was edited to 77-61.
  I am not trying to start a controversy about something that did not matter at that stage and BC had its own scoreboard worker. Perhaps they did a review of the scoreboard log and found it should have been 77-61 and not 78 or 79-60 because that is my only explaination. The announcers on the radio (I had a portable radio at the game) kept bringing it up for almost 10 minutes.
  Kinder's free throw was in the 1st half and no lane violation was called by the refs.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 06:36:38 PM
Pat you may be correct. We will see what your fellow voters decide Monday. If BC beats a decent Lynchburg team and Hollins and a few other teams lose then perhaps the Lady Eagles will get a few votes at that time.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 06:38:51 PM
Yeah, I don't think Bridgewater's resume looks any better, but it's definitely true that some teams that got votes look worse. Voters could either choose to consolidate to other teams already on the ballot or strike out on their own.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 06:46:31 PM
Randolph Macon is the greatest school ever. We should all be thankful that they ae in the ODAC. We should all bow down to them and treat them like gods. matter of fact I think the rest of the season should be forfitted and RMC should be declared ODAC champions. Every stat in the ODAC is on the up and up, and anyone who thinks differently should be excommunicated. And only a computer genius with years and years of hacking expericne could change a stat, not that any one has ever done that becuase that is a crazy, absurd idea its a copmuter it is always right.........But if the computer is so smart how come when Silva came out of the VWC game with 22 secods left she got credited with 39 min of play and we she came out with 30 seconds left in the roanoke game  saturday night she still got credited with 40 its a shame thee is no way to fix that huh.......Bottom line the orginla post drew intrest and made people weigh in and actualy take notice, i thought that was what this board was all about. As far as "smearing peoples names" I would be willing to stand beside any statement that I made, but i will withdraw the acusation if it will please you.... as far as BC etting votes for the top 25...Beating Randy Mac one time, while Seemingly defying all natural laws in accordance with this board, does not qualify the eagles for top 25, However for sure beating the GREAT teams from lynchburg and Hollins should push them over the top.... Are you kidding me? and what I am saying about stat padding is far fetched, Sometimes I wonder if people actually have any idea what is going on outside in the real world that a majority of us live in.....And Pat if you decide that this is my last post then I hope everyone enjoys patting each other on the back and telling each other how great and smart  they are and how much they know about basketball.....right up unitil Macon gets beat in the ODAC tournament., then know somewhere i will be sitting in the stands smiling patting my own back.
Title: Re: Bridgewater women may get a few top 25 votes:
Post by: GAVA on January 22, 2006, 06:47:18 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 22, 2006, 03:49:31 PM
The reality is that Wilmington and Thomas More did enter the week with 4 losses each and both got a few top 25 votes. If the BC women do not get any votes this week (you could make a case either way) they will after they defeat Hollins and Lynchburg this week.
If BC can hold at 4 losses they will eventually not only get votes but crack the top 25. Last week no one with more than 2 losses made the top 25. But to win out for the rest of the year might be a stretch.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 22, 2006, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 05:49:51 PM
So now we are going to started editing peoples opinions. You don't have to agree with what I say but i am sue I am not the only person in the ODAC that feels this way, even if those people aren't posting on this web page. The stat crew CAN be changed with just a few extra minutes of work, I HAVE USED and am very aware of the proccess, and if someone wanted to change it they very easly could. Fact of the matter is if every one would stop being so in awe of RMC and start paying attention to some of the things that goes on at that place they would be surprised. And i'm not even talking about girls bball any more I am talking about all the sports at that place. Go to a home game count the people there then check the attendance on the box score....Yeah try and figure those numbers out and make them add up. but hey you dont have to believe a word I say what do i know.

What is your problem with R-MC?  Did we deny you admission?  Or are you simply tired of losing to us? What issues are you referring to 'at that place'?  What specifically would surprise me or anyone else 'at that place'?  Your openended accusations are tiredsome.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 22, 2006, 06:59:56 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 22, 2006, 03:52:29 PM
ODAC Scoreboard - Sunday, January 22

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#15 R-MC 97
HU 43
FINALSilva (R-MC) surpasses
2,000 points
--------------------quote]

Silva scores 31 in 29 minutes of play.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 22, 2006, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 06:46:31 PM.....right up unitil Macon gets beat in the ODAC tournament., then know somewhere i will be sitting in the stands smiling patting my own back.

Don't know what is behind your rage at RM and Silva but if you are going to say crazy things like the college cheats in all their sports you don't need to be posting on the ODAC board.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 07:13:25 PM
Quote

Don't know what is behind your rage at RM and Silva but if you are going to say crazy things like the college cheats in all their sports you don't need to be posting on the ODAC board.
Quote

I would not call Stat padding, whether it be on or off the court, cheating. And never have I accused anyone of cheating, I don't remember saying Silva only scored 15 points today but she was credited with 31. That would be cheating. There is no question, that Silva is a great player and she earned every one of her 2,000 points (again congratulations) And i really dont have "rage" against RMC it is just amazing to me how EVERYONE, including non-RMS people run to their defense. I guess they are just following the old idea of "If you can't beat them, join them." Not me i'll just wait to watch them fall.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on January 22, 2006, 07:34:28 PM
I saw a Marlin player help up a fallen Maroon today.    :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 22, 2006, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: 78rmc on January 22, 2006, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 05:49:51 PM
So now we are going to started editing peoples opinions. You don't have to agree with what I say but i am sue I am not the only person in the ODAC that feels this way, even if those people aren't posting on this web page. The stat crew CAN be changed with just a few extra minutes of work, I HAVE USED and am very aware of the proccess, and if someone wanted to change it they very easly could. Fact of the matter is if every one would stop being so in awe of RMC and start paying attention to some of the things that goes on at that place they would be surprised. And i'm not even talking about girls bball any more I am talking about all the sports at that place. Go to a home game count the people there then check the attendance on the box score....Yeah try and figure those numbers out and make them add up. but hey you dont have to believe a word I say what do i know.

What is your problem with R-MC?  Did we deny you admission?  Or are you simply tired of losing to us? What issues are you referring to 'at that place'?  What specifically would surprise me or anyone else 'at that place'?  Your openended accusations are tiredsome.

lol ... agreed.

I think we need to stop entertaining this poster.  He/she is clearly just uninformed or messing around.

Either way, I know that I'm at least done responding to him/her.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: justafan02 on January 22, 2006, 07:34:28 PM
I saw a Marlin player help up a fallen Maroon today.    :o

shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone because that will go against thier ideals that everyone else in the ODAC is evil.......
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 22, 2006, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: justafan02 on January 22, 2006, 07:34:28 PM
I saw a Marlin player help up a fallen Maroon today.    :o

shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone because that will go against thier ideals that everyone else in the ODAC is evil.......

In yesterday's game against Roanoke, there was a hard collison in the back court between Silva and a Roanoke defender, who laid on the floor for several minutes.  After the player was help to their bench and before play restarted, Silva went to the Roanoke bench to make sure she was okay.  Even though the defender was the aggressor and there was no call on the floor, Silva was concerned about the Roanoke player.  A class act by Silva.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 08:11:15 PM
Quote from: 78rmc on January 22, 2006, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: justafan02 on January 22, 2006, 07:34:28 PM
I saw a Marlin player help up a fallen Maroon today.    :o

shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone because that will go against thier ideals that everyone else in the ODAC is evil.......

In yesterday's game against Roanoke, there was a hard collison in the back court between Silva and a Roanoke defender, who laid on the floor for several minutes.  After the player was help to their bench and before play restarted, Silva went to the Roanoke bench to make sure she was okay.  Even though the defender was the aggressor and there was no call on the floor, Silva was concerned about the Roanoke player.  A class act by Silva.

Again.... Just in case, because people seem to always read whatever they want. At no point in any of my posings have I ever said that Silva is anything but a class act. i wouldn't expect anything less from her. and I am sure that she was truley concerned about the injury.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 22, 2006, 08:44:46 PM
A note on this past Saturday's EMU/BC game...

The Royals' Stephanie Mathews was the third-best player I've seen this year.

I'm looking forward to seeing Jennifer King (GC) this coming weekend.  After seeing six of the ODAC teams, this is my current All-ODAC 1st team;

Orton (R-MC)
Mathews (EMU)
Kinder (BC)
Silva (R-MC)
Herr (BC)

I sure hope King doesn't impress me, because I would have no clue who I would take off the above list.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on January 22, 2006, 09:30:07 PM
If I had to take one person off of your list, I would take Orton off.  She is an average post player who is playing for a great team.  I am not taking anything away from her, but she gets the recognition because of the team she is associated with. I don't think she deserves to be on the pre-season all american team.  That is my main and only 'beef' with her.  Obviously, it isn't her fault, she didn't select herself.

EMU's Amanda Renelds deserves just as much praise as Orton.

Renalds leads in scoring while Orton leads in rebounding (conference stats only).  However, over their entire career, I would say that Renalds has had a more impressive individual career. 1000 pt scorer, and.  multi ODAC player of the week honors.


After a little research, their stats are pretty close.  These career stats are entering this season:
Renalds: 12.5 pts, 6.7 rebs.
Orton: 10.8, 7.1 rebs.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wetback on January 22, 2006, 10:31:08 PM
RMC padding the stats for silva..?...?  It sucks that a person who puts so much hard work and time into something that they love, has to hear someone belittle all their efforts with a comment like that.  She is a tremendous player with more talent than I have ever seen, rumor has it that she was born with the spalding logo right under her right foot.  So lets try and give credit where credit is due, swallowing your pride and for once looking at her as someone who gave meaning to  the phrase "You can do anything you want, if you put your mind to it".
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 22, 2006, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 22, 2006, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: 78rmc on January 22, 2006, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 05:49:51 PM
So now we are going to started editing peoples opinions. You don't have to agree with what I say but i am sue I am not the only person in the ODAC that feels this way, even if those people aren't posting on this web page. The stat crew CAN be changed with just a few extra minutes of work, I HAVE USED and am very aware of the proccess, and if someone wanted to change it they very easly could. Fact of the matter is if every one would stop being so in awe of RMC and start paying attention to some of the things that goes on at that place they would be surprised. And i'm not even talking about girls bball any more I am talking about all the sports at that place. Go to a home game count the people there then check the attendance on the box score....Yeah try and figure those numbers out and make them add up. but hey you dont have to believe a word I say what do i know.

What is your problem with R-MC?  Did we deny you admission?  Or are you simply tired of losing to us? What issues are you referring to 'at that place'?  What specifically would surprise me or anyone else 'at that place'?  Your openended accusations are tiredsome.

lol ... agreed.

I think we need to stop entertaining this poster.  He/she is clearly just uninformed or messing around.

Either way, I know that I'm at least done responding to him/her.



agreed
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wetback on January 22, 2006, 11:56:43 PM
well at least we can scratch the whole fact of the matter.....clearly a jealousy issue.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 23, 2006, 07:46:35 AM
Quote from: emufan on January 22, 2006, 09:30:07 PM
Renalds leads in scoring while Orton leads in rebounding (conference stats only).  However, over their entire career, I would say that Renalds has had a more impressive individual career. 1000 pt scorer, and.  multi ODAC player of the week honors.


After a little research, their stats are pretty close.  These career stats are entering this season:
Renalds: 12.5 pts, 6.7 rebs.
Orton: 10.8, 7.1 rebs.


And this is what is so funny to me. Post after post about why anyone would pad stats, there is no reason to pad stats blah blah blah and then every post about the all ODAC team has been about players and their stats. So and so had these numbers she should be all-ODAC. I would just like to point out that on none of the all ODAC posts has there been a player from a team that is 13-4 overall (only 4 losses must mean they will be getting some top 25 votes i think they beat Hollins this weekend) and 10-2 in the conference. Why? Well I am guessing because they have only 1 player averaging in double figures because of the type system that they run. The highest min per game on the team is 24. No stats to speak of except 10 conference wins. Yes every player listed on all the all-odac posts are great players and worthy of the nominations, but just another example of how narrow-minded most of us are.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 23, 2006, 09:10:14 AM
Quote from: emufan on January 22, 2006, 09:30:07 PM
If I had to take one person off of your list, I would take Orton off.  She is an average post player who is playing for a great team.  I am not taking anything away from her, but she gets the recognition because of the team she is associated with. I don't think she deserves to be on the pre-season all american team.  That is my main and only 'beef' with her.  Obviously, it isn't her fault, she didn't select herself.

EMU's Amanda Renelds deserves just as much praise as Orton.

Renalds leads in scoring while Orton leads in rebounding (conference stats only).  However, over their entire career, I would say that Renalds has had a more impressive individual career. 1000 pt scorer, and.  multi ODAC player of the week honors.


After a little research, their stats are pretty close.  These career stats are entering this season:
Renalds: 12.5 pts, 6.7 rebs.
Orton: 10.8, 7.1 rebs.

I'm leaning towards that ... taking Orton off if King impresses me.  I was just trying not to be so guard-heavy on my All-ODAC 1st team ... but hey, if this is the year of the guard, then so be it.

I think there are four post players that are about even (but with strengths in different areas)...

Orton (R-MC)
Hunsinger (W&L)
Renalds (EMU)
Phillips (VWC)

IMO, Hunsinger is the better defender, while Phillips is the better rebounder.  Orton and Renalds do a great job of complimenting Silva and Mathews.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: upper90 on January 23, 2006, 10:08:15 AM
QuoteRenalds leads in scoring while Orton leads in rebounding (conference stats only).  However, over their entire career, I would say that Renalds has had a more impressive individual career. 1000 pt scorer, and.  multi ODAC player of the week honors.

Can you really count an impressive career toward an all-ODAC nomination, i mean that is the whole point to pass judgement on the year not the career.  If someone finally steps it up (which if you look at Orton and her ability to get up and down the court this year, to keep herself out of foul-trouble, and her basic unstoppablity under the rim, you would see why I would keep her on the all-ODAC team.) should you deny them what they have worked to improve upon?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 23, 2006, 10:43:56 AM
[quote author=emufan

After a little research, their stats are pretty close.  These career stats are entering this season:
Renalds: 12.5 pts, 6.7 rebs.
Orton: 10.8, 7.1 rebs.


Quote

I think we should also take a look at their high school stats in order to break the tie.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on January 23, 2006, 02:50:25 PM
Upper 90,

I think you have to look at the entire career when the player is a senior.  Emily Mullet(EMU) scored over 1500 career points. Lead the nation in scoring and three point shooting throughout her career.    She was on some sort of "all odac" team for her first three years.  However, during her senior year, she had some coaches who surrounded her with good players and so her scoring dropped big time, but she picked up more wins.  What does the ODAC coaches do, leave her off  ALL  the end of the season odac teams.  Just NOT right.

Odacbballfan,

I think you are being sarcastic, but I will play along.  Renalds has two high school state championships.  Beat that!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 23, 2006, 03:27:46 PM
Is the Alll-ODAC team for the players with the best stats, or the best players that mean the most to their respective teams? My "non-look strictly at my stats based" All-ODAC team:

Katy Herr While yes she does have the "stats" she is also the unquestioned leader of the BC team. Without her BC isn't even close to the top of the conference.

Jennifer King: Again another one with some pretty good "stats" but again another player who's team may be winless without her. She can single handily carry that team, and most of the time has too.

Sara Rechnitze & Meghan Stensrudr: Are you kidding me. I mean if you look at this team on paper they are 7 deep, and yet every game they come to play, That is what an All-ODAC player should truly be. I would nominate this whole team. They are out manned at every position and yet they find a way to compete.

Erin Hanson: How quickly we forget. Last years ROY got off to a slow start but since going 2-5 to open the year the maroons had run off 7 straight until two tough losses this weekend. Basically riding the back of Hanson and her play

Michelle Orton: She is without question the catalyst of the RMC team. She makes it impossible for teams to focus on stopping her counter part Silva because of the fact that she can dominate a game from the low post. Without her in the middle of the offense Silva averages at least 8 points a game less.

2nd Team All Odac: The VWC basketball team. No stars just hard workers.

Yes I am aware that there is someone not on this list. But this is my list. My stats don't really matter list. This list is about players who mean more to their team then just gaudy offensive numbers (which in the end is really what this team comes down to)  So be very careful about telling me what an idiot I am if you also say no one would ever try to pad their numbers.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 23, 2006, 07:04:24 PM
So the BC Ladies are not yet a top 41 team. Fair enough. You can make that case. But why is Wilmington #25?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 23, 2006, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 23, 2006, 07:04:24 PM
So the BC Ladies are not yet a top 41 team. Fair enough. You can make that case. But why is Wilmington #25?

I don't know except maybe 4 of their losses were to Top10 teams. ODAC not getting much respect. RM wins don't move them up either.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on January 23, 2006, 09:18:17 PM
I am a big EMU and ODAC basketball fan, but I think we are bring a little over zealous when we want two ODAC teams to be ranked.

1)I remember when EMU went to the sweet sixteen a couple of years ago.  The competition around the country is amazing and the ODAC isn't one of the best conferences. This was shown when EMU was blown out in the sweet 16.

2)  RMC made a great run last year  in the NCAA's but they breezed through the ODAC.  Showing no one was on their level.

3)  Another point, is that the D3 tournmant isn't set up like the D1 tourney so they seedings are based a lot of location and not the best teams 1-64. 

No offense to BC, but they aren't a top 40 team in America.  Sorry!

Maybe Pat can inform us on who the better conferences are and where the ODAC ranks. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 23, 2006, 09:22:38 PM
Quote from: emufan on January 23, 2006, 09:18:17 PM

Maybe Pat can inform us on who the better conferences are and where the ODAC ranks. 

That would be interesting.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 23, 2006, 09:25:08 PM
As long as 4 wins a year are coming against Hollins and RMWC there will never be two odac teams ranked.
Title: 2 of BC's losses were to top 15 teams:
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 23, 2006, 09:30:54 PM
Excellent point but 2 of BC's losses were also vs top 15 teams and another was to Oglethorpe who is getting top 25 votes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 23, 2006, 09:36:48 PM
But look at the rest of he ODAC you have RMC at 13-2, BC 13-4, VWC 13-4 after that it gets a little shakey. EMU posts the next best record at 10-6, roanoke is the only other team with a winning record at 9-7. Then the next best record is 6-10.  Not a whole lot of room to argue if you ask me. Best bet win the tournament if you ask me. I think it wil be VERY interesting to see if RMC gets in if they fall in the tourny. (As i have predicted they will)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 23, 2006, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 23, 2006, 09:36:48 PM
But look at the rest of he ODAC you have RMC at 13-2, BC 13-4, VWC 13-4 after that it gets a little shakey. EMU posts the next best record at 10-6, roanoke is the only other team with a winning record at 9-7. Then the next best record is 6-10.  Not a whole lot of room to argue if you ask me. Best bet win the tournament if you ask me. I think it wil be VERY interesting to see if RMC gets in if they fall in the tourny. (As i have predicted they will)

Agreed that the ODAC is not a strong women's conference top to bottom.  As to RMC, how can you even think that they do not make it into the NCAAs?  Even as you say, they do not win the ODAC tourney, who will they lose to for the rest of the regular season?  Every team left has lost to the Jackets by 20, 30, 40 or over 50.  That's over 20 wins going into the ODAC tourney.  The Lady Jackets easily make it into the NCAAs regardless.  Your wishing the Jackets to fail will not keep them out.

By the way, who is your team?  Maybe it will shed light on your hate for RMC. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 23, 2006, 10:13:21 PM
20 wins gets you in? Hmmmm well BC and VWC both have a realistic chance at 20.  BC has beaten everyone left on their schedule, so I guess they will get an NCAA invite even if they don't win the tourny either. I mean by your logic, right? Or is this another one of those "only applies to the yellow jackets" statements....?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 23, 2006, 10:58:30 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 23, 2006, 10:13:21 PM
20 wins gets you in? Hmmmm well BC and VWC both have a realistic chance at 20.  BC has beaten everyone left on their schedule, so I guess they will get an NCAA invite even if they don't win the tourny either. I mean by your logic, right? Or is this another one of those "only applies to the yellow jackets" statements....?

Like it or not, a team that's in the top 20 all year and is the reigning National runner-up will get more 'love' than a team (with a similar record) that's not getting any poll votes.  But I do think BC could also get in with 20+ wins and a good tourney showing.  VWC, less likely since they have to play BC and RMC again, having already lost to both teams.

So, who's your team?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 07:34:04 AM
 I Have oppertunities to see many of the ODAC schools play. I did not graduate from any of the ODAC schools, so i have no allegiance . I just have not been brainwashed byt the play of one particular player in the conference.....Let me pose this question, I am sure I will here nothing but flack about it but what the heck.... Let's just say for the sake of having a little fun because I want to see what peoples response to this is...... Where to start.... Tomorrow there is a trade. Silva is dealt to Guilford for Jennifer king. Do the quakers get any better than the 6-10 team they are? Probabley not, Silva would score 40 points a game but with out any help that team would still not be that much better. Meanwhile Jennifer Kings numbers would probabley fall some but the Yellow Jackets would still be the "best" team in the ODAC. Am I saying King is as Good as Silva? No not even close, but it helps to be surrounded by better players... If Katie Herr is the starting guard at RMC i think she becomes the ODAC Player of the year and BC with Silva is still the 2nd best team. People think I am bashing Silva and I am not at all. 2,000 points at any school is a great accomplishment, and she is a great player, but people in his conference (coaches, officials, fans) treat her like she walks on water, and to my knowledge she hasn't done that yet.  YES she is the best all around player in the ODAC but the pieces she has around her sure help.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 24, 2006, 07:40:08 AM
BC won 22 games last year but they did not make the NCAA's did they. At 23-5 they might get an at large bid.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 24, 2006, 09:04:54 AM
Bridgewater finishing 23-5 (winning the rest of their regular season games and losing in the finals of the ODAC tournament) is quite lofty.  Roanoke (1/31), VWC (2/11) and EMU (2/18) will be tough games for the Eagles.

Also keep in mind that since the ODAC regular season schedule expanded to 20 conference games in 1995, Bridgewater hasn't finished any better than 17-3 (five times; '97, '98, '01, '02 and '04).  So to finish 19-1 would be quite a feat seeing that the Eagles have had some great teams since the late-90s.

But I agree ... if Bridgewater finishes 23-5 (19-1), having beaten R-MC once, I think they'll have a good shot.  If they don't get in, it'll be those two losses to begin the season in Georgia that might be the reason.

Of course this is all talk that the Eagles will fall in the ODAC tournament ... I think they have as good a shot as anyone to win it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2006, 09:49:40 AM
I think most of you are forgetting that the tournament has a larger field this year than last.  A resume that may not have gotten you in last year, could get you in this year.

Redgarding Bridgewater:  The Eagles have one WIN to hang their hats on (an overtime home win over Randolph-Macon).  They have the two losses to teams who are very good, but have shown they can't hang with the elites in their own conferences (Emory and Oglethorpe), the loss to RMC (giving them a split in the season series which won't be broken until they meet again) and an 18-point loss to unbeaten Mary Washington.  The Virginia Wesleyan win is OK, but I wouldn't put the Marlins in my top 55-60 nationally - their three strongest wins are at home against Salisbury and at Christopher Newport and Eastern Mennonite.  Bridgewater is having a very nice season, but if you took the time to look at all the resumes of potential Top 25 teams, you'd see they don't quite measure up.

Randolph-Macon doesn't have a very impressive schedule either (since there are so few non-conference games), but they are ranked because they've only lost twice (a four-point loss in the second game of the season and an overtime loss on the road) and yes, partially, because of their success last year. 

The D3hoops.com poll has NO bearing on the NCAA Tournament selection or seeding.  The NCAA committee has proven that year in and year out.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on January 24, 2006, 10:47:32 AM
The latest Massey Ratings (424 Total Teams) has the the top 3 in the ODAC as follows:

RMC- #64
BC - # 66
VWU- # 116

Just another look at where some teams might be ranked overall.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 12:08:10 PM
 "their three strongest wins are at home against Salisbury and at Christopher Newport and Eastern Mennonite. "

VWC beat all three of those teams, including CNU and EMU on the road. So that would make the win over VWC bigger than those three wins, and that win still isn't that big. That is why they will nto be in the top 25
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 01:06:38 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 07:34:04 AM
I Have oppertunities to see many of the ODAC schools play. I did not graduate from any of the ODAC schools, so i have no allegiance .

I don't know if you graduated from an ODAC school or not, but you frequently post from an ODAC school's campus, so I highly doubt your allegiance claim.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 24, 2006, 01:19:02 PM
Not to mention CNU blew a 20-point lead to VWC at home in that game, another comforting feeling for the Lady Captains.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 24, 2006, 01:41:46 PM
Congratulations to Guilford's Jennifer King for POW.  Last week, she took control and helped the Quakers earn two come from behind road victories they sorely needed.  I was impressed with her play at Rockingham Co. (NC) HS and was glad she chose Guilford.  She will be missed next year for sure.   Go Quakers!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 24, 2006, 02:15:50 PM
Pat, thanks for keeping Silva's pic and story up for several days on the front page.  It's got to be killing ODACbballfan.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2006, 02:21:40 PM
Uhh, thanks, although that's not the intent. Just wasn't any national news per se last night.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 04:14:19 PM
I'm fine with Silva being on the front page, 2,000 points at any level with any team is a great accomplishment, plus it gives national attention to the ODAC. I think you people have a hard time with basic reading comprehension. Silva is by far the best over-all player in the conference., I have said that repeatedly. She also plays on the best team in the conference, which helps her look even better. I just don't get why people are in awe of her. Give her her props, just don't treat her any different than any one else in the league.........

"don't know if you graduated from an ODAC school or not, but you frequently post from an ODAC school's campus, so I highly doubt your allegiance claim."

  Your IP address is shown only to you and moderators.

Come on free internet access, how can you pass that up ??
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 04:20:35 PM
And whats up with the Karma? Can a brother get some love or what?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 24, 2006, 04:48:53 PM
I think BC having a player with Big East experience at Point Guard and is finally playing at the level she did winning High School Championships in Virginia will help in the ODAC tournament.
  The WVU transfer may yet lead the Eagles to the NCAA's. The Marsha I saw play Saturday is healthy and ready to go get more trophies.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 24, 2006, 04:52:57 PM
When I attended a Bridgewater Sweet 16 game in 1998 vs Washington (MO) I think, it was clear that the Wisconsin and Missouri leagues were just better than the ODAC at that time. Even BC players from my era will tell you that. That is why I have no problem with Oshkosh getting votes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 05:12:06 PM
I have no probem with  Oshkosh getting votes becuase it is fun to say... Oshkosh   Oshkosh   Oshkosh
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2006, 05:43:09 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 12:08:10 PM
"their three strongest wins are at home against Salisbury and at Christopher Newport and Eastern Mennonite. "

VWC beat all three of those teams, including CNU and EMU on the road. So that would make the win over VWC bigger than those three wins, and that win still isn't that big. That is why they will nto be in the top 25

I was referring to VWC in the above - those three wins are VWC's top three wins, thereby illustrating the point you just made.  Bridgewater's top win is the win over Randolph-Macon.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2006, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 04:14:19 PM
I think you people have a hard time with basic reading comprehension. Silva is by far the best over-all player in the conference., I have said that repeatedly. She also plays on the best team in the conference, which helps her look even better. I just don't get why people are in awe of her.

Maybe people are in awe of her because she "is by far the best over-all player in the conference" and she "plays on the best team in the conference, which helps her look even better."
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 05:47:51 PM
gotcha missed understood what you wrote.....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 05:52:58 PM
But there are a lot of other very good players in ODAC that get over looked time and time again because the team they play on isn't as good as RMC. Which ws my point about if Silva was somewhere else. She would still prob be the best player in the league but she wouldn't get the attention because she wouoldn't be on the 1st place team. The situation she is in has put her so high up in peoples minds that she can do no wrong.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on January 24, 2006, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 05:52:58 PM
But there are a lot of other very good players in ODAC that get over looked time and time again because the team they play on isn't as good as RMC. Which ws my point about if Silva was somewhere else. She would still prob be the best player in the league but she wouldn't get the attention because she wouoldn't be on the 1st place team. The situation she is in has put her so high up in peoples minds that she can do no wrong.

But then you've answered your own question.  You were wondering why people are in awe of her.  You admitted she was the best overall player in the league and that she gets more attention because she plays on a good team.  Is it unsual for a player in that circumstance to be so highly regarded, rightly or wrongly?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 06:14:00 PM
JJ is the best player in the ACC but if you get on any acc chat room board, fans from other teams will down play him. Here everyone is so in love with her that they will down play their teams to talk about how great she is. That is what i don't get. If you are a RMC fan then heck yeah enjoy it, if not then respect her and her abilties but stop telling her how good she is. No wonder when "your" team plays them they are already defeated. I mean if your own fans don't think you can win then how are you supposed to think you can win. I know many players in the ODAC read these posts so if I play for EMU and I see an royals fan talking about what a great player Silva is and how good RMC is and how she is the best player in the ODAC and we should all enjoy watching her then already in my mind i am beat.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 06:15:56 PM
I don't see too many RMC fans talking about how good other player s in the conference are
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 24, 2006, 09:14:08 PM
caroline wesley just put 26 points (10/12 overall, 6-6   from FT), 12 boards, 3 blocks, and 1 steal on the #15 RMC Yellow Jackets. 'Nuff Said.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 24, 2006, 09:34:01 PM
Quote from: > on January 24, 2006, 09:14:08 PM
caroline wesley just put 26 points (10/12 overall, 6-6   from FT), 12 boards, 3 blocks, and 1 steal on the #15 RMC Yellow Jackets. 'Nuff Said.

Not to diminish a fine performance, but 18 of Wesley points and all of her rebounds were in the second half when the game was already out of hand with RMC ahead by as many as 31 pts.  But certainly a nice performance against a good team.

Will you be at RMC tomorrow night?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 24, 2006, 09:36:00 PM
Quote from: 78rmc on January 24, 2006, 09:34:01 PM
Quote from: > on January 24, 2006, 09:14:08 PM
caroline wesley just put 26 points (10/12 overall, 6-6   from FT), 12 boards, 3 blocks, and 1 steal on the #15 RMC Yellow Jackets. 'Nuff Said.

Not to diminish a fine performance, but 18 of Wesley points and all of her rebounds were in the second half when the game was already out of hand with RMC ahead by as many as 31 pts.  But certainly a nice performance against a good team.

Will you be at RMC tomorrow night?

that fact may even make the performance look better. she did all of that (minus 8 points) in the second half where she palyed 17 minutes. 18 points, 12 boards, 3 blocks, and 1 steal in 17 minutes is pretty darn good. I wasnt at the game, but she had 2 fouls and only 9 minutes in the first half, and scored 8 points. She surely would have had over 30 had she not gotten into foul trouble!

actually i wont, but i will be going to bridgewater on saturday
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 24, 2006, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: > on January 24, 2006, 09:36:00 PM
Quote from: 78rmc on January 24, 2006, 09:34:01 PM
Quote from: > on January 24, 2006, 09:14:08 PM
caroline wesley just put 26 points (10/12 overall, 6-6   from FT), 12 boards, 3 blocks, and 1 steal on the #15 RMC Yellow Jackets. 'Nuff Said.

Not to diminish a fine performance, but 18 of Wesley points and all of her rebounds were in the second half when the game was already out of hand with RMC ahead by as many as 31 pts.  But certainly a nice performance against a good team.

Will you be at RMC tomorrow night?

that fact may even make the performance look better. she did all of that (minus 8 points) in the second half where she palyed 17 minutes. 18 points, 12 boards, 3 blocks, and 1 steal in 17 minutes is pretty darn good. I wasnt at the game, but she had 2 fouls and only 9 minutes in the first half, and scored 8 points. She surely would have had over 30 had she not gotten into foul trouble!

actually i wont, but i will be going to bridgewater on saturday

Agreed, a nice performance, few players have done so well against RMC. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 09:59:59 PM

Quote

Not to diminish a fine performance, but 18 of Wesley points and all of her rebounds were in the second half when the game was already out of hand with RMC ahead by as many as 31 pts.  But certainly a nice performance against a good team.

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HAHA so if someone else does it in a 30 point blow out it "diminishes the performance" Now that is TRULEY NUFF SAID! Thanks for proving every point I have made the past two weeks 78RMC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 24, 2006, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 24, 2006, 09:59:59 PM

Quote

Not to diminish a fine performance, but 18 of Wesley points and all of her rebounds were in the second half when the game was already out of hand with RMC ahead by as many as 31 pts.  But certainly a nice performance against a good team.

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HAHA so if someone else does it in a 30 point blow out it "diminishes the performance" Now that is TRULEY NUFF SAID! Thanks for proving every point I have made the past two weeks 78RMC

You give me too much credit.  It would take someone much smarter than I to prove you right.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 24, 2006, 11:40:39 PM
  Why can't we all admit Silva has had the best overall career of any ODAC women's player and hope BC and RMC will meet in the ODAC finals so Kinder and Silva can settle who is the 2006 MVP on the court?
  Kinder is healthy and showing the talent she had at WVU in Morgantown before some very painful off court things happened. Just be civil and hope BC and RMC meet in the ODAC finals so this discussion can finally be answered one way or the other.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on January 25, 2006, 01:12:31 PM
Odacbballfan:

You get some "love" when you admit your allegiance to VWC.  It's obvious, have no shame, let yourself go.....it's ok!

PS:  Not hating on you because I am a VWC fan
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 25, 2006, 03:44:57 PM
Odacbballfan: I agree with justafan02, I think your allegiance falls to VWC. I
                       have been trying to figure this one out, and I have the same
                       assumption that justafan02 has, you're a Marlin fan. I also think
                       you're right, your controversial posts have produced a lot of
                       conversation on this board.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 25, 2006, 05:10:59 PM
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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 25, 2006, 06:17:57 PM
I am very offended.  Just because Coleman doesn't agree with a post - he reveals a person's IP?  What's that all about?  Also,  a healthy Marsha Kinder for 4 years would make mince meat of Silva.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on January 25, 2006, 07:27:42 PM
Mr. Coleman did not reveal is IP, yet said the poster posts from an ODAC schools IP adress. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 25, 2006, 09:13:43 PM
Just got word that BC defeated Hollins on the road tonight, 85-54. Everyone on the Eagles squad got to play. BC shot 82% from the field in the second half. They shot 73% for the game and 54% from behind the arc. Erica Lynott was 6-of-7 from the field, including 2-of-2 from long range, for a team-high 14 points. Herr and Kinder saw limited minutes tonight, with Kinder contributing just 5 points (14 below her season average) and 4 steals. Herr added 8 points and 6 assists. For Hollins LeighAnn Woodley led the way with a game-high 23 points and 6 assists. Good team effort by the Eagles!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 25, 2006, 09:49:31 PM
EMU with a big win over Noke tonight. Haven't seen any stats yet. The middle of the conference is pretty tight..... Tell ya what, the Marlins have a big weekend coming up at E&H and Guilford, they win those two and go 12-2 in the confrence at this point in the year after being preseason pick 6th i'll cheer for them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 25, 2006, 10:00:05 PM
And Mr Colmen was just upset that I said something he didn't like about a friend of his. If he wants to give out hints to peoples IPs I guess that is his buisness. Just think everyone should know to be careful not to "cross the boss" per say.  Healthy Kinder for 4 years???? Scary thought!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 25, 2006, 10:15:41 PM
Does anyone know why Erin Hanson only played 11 minutes tonight in a 55-46 road loss to EMU?

I agree....a healthy Kinder for four years...WOW! I saw her in highschool when she played for Turner Ashby and won two state championships...she was something else!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 25, 2006, 10:18:08 PM
No i was wondering the same thing, looks like she may have been hurt or something. Anyone???????? 11 min won't even get her on my all stats dont matter team  :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2006, 10:18:27 PM
Despite the software's capabilities, our policy has not changed in seven years of running the message board.

And justafan02 is correct, isn't he/she?

You pretend to be something you're not, such as an impartial observer, you'll get called on it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 25, 2006, 10:22:52 PM
I'm as impartial as anyone else on this board (he/she says with a smile) :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2006, 10:25:22 PM
Well I'll say this, I'm actually an alumnus of an ODAC school, but it's an ODAC football-only school, so I have no dog in this fight. And heck, Catholic wasn't even in the ODAC when I went there.

You guys can hold your own grudges and petty arguments if you like but I call them like I see them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 25, 2006, 10:31:52 PM
Karma -12 I might as well just go jump off the closest building......Hmmm I wonder what "on campus" building that would be HAHAHA
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jimmy Mad on January 25, 2006, 10:56:40 PM
Hanson took a pretty bad spill in the first half.  After a collision she landed on the floor head first, I believe on her forehead.  They were considering taking her to the hospital but don't know for sure if they did.  Needless to say she didn't re-enter the game after that.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 25, 2006, 11:08:47 PM
the_knowledge:

Thanks for the information. That is too bad. Hanson is an incredible player. No wonder EMU came away with that win. Roanoke has been on a roll lately. Without Hanson, they would not have come away with six straight wins. Don't get me wrong, EMU is a very talented team, but I had bet on Roanoke to pull this one out with the way they were playing lately.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 25, 2006, 11:23:01 PM
Thanks for the info, sure hope she is ok!`
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 26, 2006, 05:37:18 AM
Hope she is ok.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on January 26, 2006, 12:08:46 PM
Karma points come with honesty.   ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 26, 2006, 01:48:11 PM
maconmesick,

Welcome to the board, Lindsey (http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/season/05_06/roster/churchill.php).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 26, 2006, 06:06:45 PM
Here is the schedule for this upcoming Saturday. What is everyone's picks? Just curious.

Sat. January 28th

BC at LC (BC)
EMU at RMWC (EMU)
VWC at E&H (VWC)
RMC at GC (RMC)
W&L at RC (RC) (only if Hanson plays)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 26, 2006, 06:42:42 PM
BC at LC (BC)
EMU at RMWC (EMU)
VWC at E&H (VWC)
RMC at GC (RMC)
W&L at RC (RC)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 26, 2006, 10:14:03 PM
BC
EMU
E&H
RMC
RC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 26, 2006, 10:47:32 PM

Ditto...think this weekend are no brainers and no surprises.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 26, 2006, 10:49:13 PM
oops....see someone took E&H by mistake
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 26, 2006, 11:22:22 PM
Ok....I am going out on a limb...I have a little bit of different picks

BC at LC (BC)
EMU at RMWC (RMWC)
VWC at E&H (VWC)
RMC at GC (RMC)
W&L at RC (W&L)

I have gotten word that Hanson is out with a concussion. Without Hanson, I think Hunsinger will capitalize on that and turn in a big game. Of course, these are all just guesses.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 27, 2006, 12:12:27 AM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 26, 2006, 01:48:11 PM
maconmesick,

Welcome to the board, Lindsey (http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/season/05_06/roster/churchill.php).

Detective Email Addy strikes again. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 27, 2006, 09:52:11 AM
Quote from: Llamaguy on January 27, 2006, 12:12:27 AM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 26, 2006, 01:48:11 PM
maconmesick,

Welcome to the board, Lindsey (http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/season/05_06/roster/churchill.php).

Detective Email Addy strikes again. ;D

This one wasn't all that hard. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 27, 2006, 10:51:50 AM
Quote

This one wasn't all that hard. :)
Quote

Nor was it all that mature....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 27, 2006, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 27, 2006, 10:51:50 AM
Nor was it all that mature....

I gave you some karma for lecturing on maturity.  That was funny!  :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2006, 11:34:11 AM
I guess people don't read the Terms of Service before they post.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on January 27, 2006, 01:21:39 PM
Ok....so I see GAVA said someone picked E&H over VWC....I saw that game in Norfolk this month and it was a 3 point game.....hardly enough points to think that there is no possible chance they would win.  I agree they are struggling this year...but that game was lost on coaching error.  So no...not a mistake.

My picks:
BC
EMU
E&H
RMC
W&L

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 27, 2006, 10:39:00 PM
I agree, emoryfan. I know the first meeting between VWC and E&H was a close one, and even though E&H hasn't had that much success this year, they still have the potential to surprise a few people with some big wins. Especially with that run and gun style they play in. If they're hitting their shots, Marlins beware! Should be a good game!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 27, 2006, 10:43:42 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 26, 2006, 01:48:11 PM
maconmesick,

Welcome to the board, Lindsey (http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/season/05_06/roster/churchill.php).

maconmakeshersick? ...interesting as she considered playing at RM....guess sitting on the bench while averaging 3 ppg makes one a bit jealous of Silva and RM
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 27, 2006, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on January 27, 2006, 10:39:00 PM
I agree, emoryfan. I know the first meeting between VWC and E&H was a close one, and even though E&H hasn't had that much success this year, they still have the potential to surprise a few people with some big wins. Especially with that run and gun style they play in. If they're hitting their shots, Marlins beware! Should be a good game!

I could be wrong but always bet with the head, not the heart.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on January 28, 2006, 09:51:00 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 27, 2006, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on January 27, 2006, 10:39:00 PM
I agree, emoryfan. I know the first meeting between VWC and E&H was a close one, and even though E&H hasn't had that much success this year, they still have the potential to surprise a few people with some big wins. Especially with that run and gun style they play in. If they're hitting their shots, Marlins beware! Should be a good game!

I could be wrong but always bet with the head, not the heart.

We will see  ::)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 28, 2006, 09:55:26 AM
I would be interested in the stats on the home teams advantage in the E&H/VWC series. I can't imagine the road team has a good winning record after that travel time.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 28, 2006, 11:13:45 AM
I do not know about the all-time series between VWC and E&H, but I know their series record dating back to the 2001-2002 season, five seasons ago. Coming into toay's game, E&H holds a 4-0 home court advantage over the Marlins over the past five years. VWC is 2-3 at home, including a 77-74 win earlier this season. So, the Marlins have not won at E&H since at least fiive years ago. However, the Marlins are a much improved team this year, and E&H is having a down year, so today's contest on the Wasps homecourt could be a different story then it has been in recent years. We will find out soon enough.
Title: In Bridgewater's programs the Men's weight is listed but not the Women's weight:
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 28, 2006, 12:59:43 PM
  I just found that interesting.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 28, 2006, 01:03:21 PM
Jeremybozz

I find that interesting also. In fact, I have been to several men's and women's games at UVA, and in the men's game-day program they list the men's weight, but for the women they do not. I guess even women-athletes are self-conscious about their weight.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on January 28, 2006, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 26, 2006, 01:48:11 PM
maconmesick,

Welcome to the board, Lindsey (http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/season/05_06/roster/churchill.php).

Kid,

Just curious as to why you posted that?  I don't think I have seen her post at all, but I could be wrong.  Just wonderin...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 28, 2006, 03:05:37 PM
Re:  E & H -- Run and Gun?  How about "Let's see how many 3's we can shoot?"  Ever heard of a post game?  Inside, outside??   I can see if it's working, but.....  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 28, 2006, 04:47:39 PM
Bridgewater beat Lynchburg, 92-52 - box score (http://www.lynchburg.edu/athletics/sports/basketball_w/2005-06%20stats/lcwom18.htm)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 28, 2006, 04:51:22 PM
Quote from: justafan02 on January 28, 2006, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 26, 2006, 01:48:11 PM
maconmesick,

Welcome to the board, Lindsey (http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/season/05_06/roster/churchill.php).

Kid,

Just curious as to why you posted that?  I don't think I have seen her post at all, but I could be wrong.  Just wonderin...

About a day after she posted that, she deleted her post and name from the message board.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mom#15 on January 28, 2006, 05:33:23 PM
Anyone know the score at E & H vs VWC yet?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on January 28, 2006, 05:41:34 PM
Any score from the EMU-RMWC game?

Some ODAC schools have terrible websites for athletics and they are updated very late.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2006, 07:09:26 PM
RM 82-45 at Guilford

Silva 22 points in 30 minutes for RM

King 17 points in 38 minutes for GC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2006, 07:20:46 PM
Quote from: emufan on January 28, 2006, 05:41:34 PM
Any score from the EMU-RMWC game?

Some ODAC schools have terrible websites for athletics and they are updated very late.


EMU website....EMU 66 RMWC 49
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2006, 07:26:37 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on January 26, 2006, 11:22:22 PM
Ok....I am going out on a limb...I have a little bit of different picks

BC at LC (BC)
EMU at RMWC (RMWC)
VWC at E&H (VWC)
RMC at GC (RMC)
W&L at RC (W&L)

I have gotten word that Hanson is out with a concussion. Without Hanson, I think Hunsinger will capitalize on that and turn in a big game. Of course, these are all just guesses.

  You called that right. RC website....W&L 78, RC 70.
You missed on expecting RMWC to pull an upset.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on January 28, 2006, 07:54:08 PM
82 E&H   68 VWC

Marlins shot 28% from field.....  :'(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2006, 07:55:01 PM
Quote from: Mom#15 on January 28, 2006, 05:33:23 PM
Anyone know the score at E & H vs VWC yet?

E&H 82, VWC 68
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2006, 07:57:36 PM

Quote

I could be wrong ...
Quote


:o and I was !
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2006, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: justafan02 on January 28, 2006, 07:54:08 PM

Marlins shot 28% from field.....  :'(

drops Marlins to third place
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 28, 2006, 08:17:50 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 27, 2006, 10:51:50 AM
Quote

This one wasn't all that hard. :)
Quote

Nor was it all that mature....

Hey Kid, I love all the posters who take your Post Pattern name so literally!  ;D ;D ;D
karma back atcha
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 28, 2006, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: Llamaguy on January 28, 2006, 08:17:50 PM
Hey Kid, I love all the posters who take your Post Pattern name so literally!  ;D ;D ;D
karma back atcha

How about those who think you actually have llamas?  :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 28, 2006, 09:25:32 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 28, 2006, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: Llamaguy on January 28, 2006, 08:17:50 PM
Hey Kid, I love all the posters who take your Post Pattern name so literally!  ;D ;D ;D
karma back atcha

How about those who think you actually have llamas?  :D

Well I should just change my name to Babeguy in that case?  ;D ;D
Title: Will the BC Women get a vote this week in the poll?:
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 28, 2006, 09:30:18 PM
   We will have to wait and see but after the defeat of a half decent Hornet team I like BC's chances of being #41 or so.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on January 28, 2006, 10:29:24 PM
VALLEY and JEREMYBOZZ:  "I find that interesting also. In fact, I have been to several men's and women's games at UVA, and in the men's game-day program they list the men's weight, but for the women they do not. I guess even women-athletes are self-conscious about their weight."

That remark is really just unnecessary.  Weight is a pointless fact to be listed in a sports program.  Silva and Herr, whose names are as household as Baush & Lomb, didn't get that way because all of the hype about them being 120lbs, etc.  We might as well start listing what their favorite flavor of ice cream is, too.  And if you think weight is an issue with all women, then I know a stat that men would certainly not like listed in a program for all to see, and is just as arbitrary.  Just my thoughts...not trying to get all crazy feminist on ya. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 28, 2006, 10:39:39 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on January 28, 2006, 10:29:24 PM
I know a stat that men would certainly not like listed in a program for all to see, and is just as arbitrary.  Just my thoughts...not trying to get all crazy feminist on ya. :)

I'm ok with it, they can go ahead and list my eye color in the game day program if they want. On second thought I can't palm a golf ball so you are right, keep it out of the program! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 28, 2006, 10:59:51 PM
Got all my picks right today.... i think.... slap some karma on me baby!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 29, 2006, 12:40:57 AM
I did not mean to imply anything about any athlete I was just making an observation. My High School lists the weights of its Male and Female Hoops players.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 29, 2006, 12:44:19 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on January 28, 2006, 10:29:24 PM
VALLEY and JEREMYBOZZ:? "I find that interesting also. In fact, I have been to several men's and women's games at UVA, and in the men's game-day program they list the men's weight, but for the women they do not. I guess even women-athletes are self-conscious about their weight."

That remark is really just unnecessary.? Weight is a pointless fact to be listed in a sports program.? Silva and Herr, whose names are as household as Baush & Lomb, didn't get that way because all of the hype about them being 120lbs, etc.? We might as well start listing what their favorite flavor of ice cream is, too.? And if you think weight is an issue with all women, then I know a stat that men would certainly not like listed in a program for all to see, and is just as arbitrary.? Just my thoughts...not trying to get all crazy feminist on ya. :)

Old School Marlin

I meant nothing disrespectful by my comment. Myself and JeremyBozz were simply noting an interesting point. I do find it interesting that in most men's programs they list weight, but not in women's. Maybe I am just part of the easily amused club?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 29, 2006, 12:48:08 AM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 28, 2006, 10:59:51 PM
Got all my picks right today.... i think.... slap some karma on me baby!

Quote from: odacbballfan on January 26, 2006, 10:14:03 PM
BC
EMU
E&H
RMC
RC


Sorry odacbballfan. You did good picking the E&H upset, just like fairmont, but you did not pick the RC v. W&L game right. That was your one miss.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 29, 2006, 12:56:27 AM
Quote from: valleybballfan on January 27, 2006, 10:39:00 PM
I agree, emoryfan. I know the first meeting between VWC and E&H was a close one, and even though E&H hasn't had that much success this year, they still have the potential to surprise a few people with some big wins. Especially with that run and gun style they play in. If they're hitting their shots, Marlins beware! Should be a good game!

Good pick by both Valley and Emoryfan. I think E&H definitely surprised a few people with this big win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 29, 2006, 01:00:12 AM
Here's what the picks looked for Saturday...........

Valley: 4-1 (even though he picked RC, he did say only if Hanson plays, and she didn't, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Quote from: valleybballfan on January 26, 2006, 06:06:45 PM
Here is the schedule for this upcoming Saturday. What is everyone's picks? Just curious.

Sat. January 28th

BC at LC (BC)
EMU at RMWC (EMU)
VWC at E&H (VWC)
RMC at GC (RMC)
W&L at RC (RC) (only if Hanson plays)

hoopstermom: 3-2

odacbballfan: 4-1

fairmont: 3-2

emoryfan: 5-0 :o

emoryfan takes the prize for the day! and after only three posts on this board!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 29, 2006, 01:40:47 AM
This isn't favorite ice cream but it's in the ballpark. From VWC's website:
-----------------------
Personal

    * Daughter of Deborah and William Barrett
    * Born 4-86 in Laurel, Maryland
    * Has two older sisters, Shannon and Aubrey
    * Enjoys rhythm and blues, rap and vacations in Ocean City, Maryland
    * A fan of the Los Angeles Sparks' Nikki Teasley and actor Johnny Depp
    * Favorites include the book "The Five People You Meet in Heaven" and the movie "Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken"
-----------------------

-- Pat Coleman, enjoys mint chocolate chip and vacations in Salem, Va. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 08:27:53 AM
I was 3-2 also. Missed E&H and W&L.


Quote from: fairmont1113 on January 29, 2006, 01:00:12 AM
Here's what the picks looked for Saturday...........

Valley: 4-1 (even though he picked RC, he did say only if Hanson plays, and she didn't, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Quote from: valleybballfan on January 26, 2006, 06:06:45 PM
Here is the schedule for this upcoming Saturday. What is everyone's picks? Just curious.

Sat. January 28th

BC at LC (BC)
EMU at RMWC (EMU)
VWC at E&H (VWC)
RMC at GC (RMC)
W&L at RC (RC) (only if Hanson plays)

hoopstermom: 3-2

odacbballfan: 4-1

fairmont: 3-2

emoryfan: 5-0 :o

emoryfan takes the prize for the day! and after only three posts on this board!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 08:30:07 AM
should have read " deeper, solidly, permanently into 3rd place". ;D

Quote from: GAVA on January 28, 2006, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: justafan02 on January 28, 2006, 07:54:08 PM

Marlins shot 28% from field.....  :'(

drops Marlins to third place
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 08:41:40 AM
Sunday games:  Pick deadline 1 pm.

RM over E&H

any other games?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 08:49:30 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 08:41:40 AM
Sunday games:  Pick deadline 1 pm.

RM over E&H

any other games?

and VWC over GC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 09:21:49 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 08:49:30 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 08:41:40 AM
Sunday games:  Pick deadline 1 pm.

RM over E&H

any other games?

and VWC over GC

That is only 2 games today. Pick deadline moved to 4 pm  ( game starts ).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 29, 2006, 09:39:17 AM
well 4-1 isn't bad i guess, I should have snuck (only if Hanson plays in there) I will try to do better today. VWC bounces back and beats the quakers and E&H (if they shoot at least 46% from the floor, make at least 11 three point shots, out rebound the Yellow Jackets by at least 10, and hold Macon under 70 points) upset the Yellow Jackets... That way if Macon still wins I can maybe still get credit for it :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 29, 2006, 11:59:11 AM
Sorry that I missed you, GAVA.

"I was 3-2 also. Missed E&H and W&L."

My picks for today........

Guilford
RMC

(gotta go out on a limb again)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 29, 2006, 12:21:42 PM
No going out on a limb for me....I'm picking the favorites:

RMC
VWC

and just for fun...since today's picks have only two games that aren't that hard to predict....let's guess the final score of the RMC v. E&H game as a tie breaker to see who takes home the gold today.......my pick:

RMC 101
E&H 72
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 29, 2006, 01:57:07 PM
RMC 110
E&H 84
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 29, 2006, 02:30:35 PM
Re:  E & H vs. VWC - Ooops, guess the concept worked!   On the other upset, W & L appears to have played TEAM ball instead of "I" ball - coming away with a Big win.  Congratulations to both winners - the bottom and middle of the ODAC is becoming quite unpredictable.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 06:56:32 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on January 29, 2006, 12:21:42 PM
No going out on a limb for me....I'm picking the favorites:

RMC
VWC

and just for fun...since today's picks have only two games that aren't that hard to predict....let's guess the final score of the RMC v. E&H game as a tie breaker to see who takes home the gold today.......my pick:

RMC 101
E&H 72


whoa...E&H played tough at home this weekend....won yesterday and lost by 3 to RM today. RM 78-75 ( RM website, no box score yet)

You guys don't need a tiebreaker since you had different picks in the VWC-GC game. So if VWC wins, could I get the gold since you were both off by 30 points? :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:00:50 PM
forget that...GC 79 VWC 64
King plays 38 minutes and scores 32
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:02:01 PM
fairmont wins today...good call
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:11:02 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:00:50 PM
forget that...GC 79 VWC 64
King plays 38 minutes and scores 32

Silva going to have tough time staying ahead of King in points with King playing 38 minutes a game. Silva's lead was only 23 points going into todays' games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:00:50 PM
forget that...GC 79 VWC 64
King plays 38 minutes and scores 32

VWC descends into the middle of the pack. Looks like a 2 team league.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 29, 2006, 07:59:50 PM
Those 2 teams have split so what is the tie breaker if it comes down to that?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 09:03:06 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:11:02 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:00:50 PM
forget that...GC 79 VWC 64
King plays 38 minutes and scores 32

Silva going to have tough time staying ahead of King in points with King playing 38 minutes a game. Silva's lead was only 23 points going into todays' games.

Silva didn't give up much of her lead today, scoring 29 points in 38 minutes of play.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on January 29, 2006, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:00:50 PM
forget that...GC 79 VWC 64
King plays 38 minutes and scores 32

VWC descends into the middle of the pack. Looks like a 2 team league.

YES, Randolph-Macon is great, YES Bridgewater is great, but it has never been and will never be a two-team league or any other.  Every team in the ODAC is part of the league and any game can produce an unpredicted result.   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on January 30, 2006, 09:17:14 AM
I agree, the ODAC usually is a pretty balanced conference.  On any given night, there can be an upset.  That was proven this weekend.  I have to say E&H was tough at home this weekend......and from what I hear RMC was allowed a foul that should have been called in the last seconds of the game.  Not a great way to end that game .....but a good weekend for Emory to say the least.  :)

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on January 30, 2006, 10:34:36 AM
By the way fairmont 1113.....I used to be a regular on the board.....but slacked off the past couple years.

So, big weekend ahead......any picks yet?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 30, 2006, 03:18:11 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on January 29, 2006, 10:11:28 PM

It has never been and will never be a two-team league or any other.  Every team in the ODAC is part of the league and any game can produce an unpredicted result.   

I guess that can definitely be said for softball right?  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on January 30, 2006, 07:57:45 PM
Ha!  We all know the best softball school isn't in the valley ~ it's on the coast  ;)  And don't forget, VWC is also undefeated in football since 1961.  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 30, 2006, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on January 29, 2006, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:00:50 PM
forget that...GC 79 VWC 64
King plays 38 minutes and scores 32

VWC descends into the middle of the pack. Looks like a 2 team league.

YES, Randolph-Macon is great, YES Bridgewater is great, but it has never been and will never be a two-team league or any other.  Every team in the ODAC is part of the league and any game can produce an unpredicted result.   

But only 2 teams still contesting for regular season crown. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 30, 2006, 09:06:56 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 29, 2006, 07:59:50 PM
Those 2 teams have split so what is the tie breaker if it comes down to that?

I don't know if we will get there. I don't see RM losing another conference game. They only have 4 left. BC has a tougher road with 7 more conference games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 30, 2006, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on January 30, 2006, 07:57:45 PM
Ha!  We all know the best softball school isn't in the valley ~ it's on the coast  ;)  And don't forget, VWC is also undefeated in football since 1961.  ;D

Spoken like a true left fielder. :D

As for football, bring back the fish because BC is getting bored eating bees,tigers,generals,and cardinals year in and year out!   :o he,he
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 30, 2006, 11:37:23 PM
sorry emoryfan, did not realize you were a veteran. Still, good picks on Saturday. I haven't thought too much about this weekend yet??
Title: Re: Will the BC Women get a vote this week in the poll?:
Post by: GAVA on January 31, 2006, 07:20:59 AM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 28, 2006, 09:30:18 PM
   We will have to wait and see but after the defeat of a half decent Hornet team I like BC's chances of being #41 or so.

RM moves up to #13. Still no votes for BC. :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 31, 2006, 07:30:14 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:11:02 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:00:50 PM
forget that...GC 79 VWC 64
King plays 38 minutes and scores 32

Silva going to have tough time staying ahead of King in points with King playing 38 minutes a game. Silva's lead was only 23 points going into todays' games.



Silva lead down to 18 points. King averaging greater than 5 minutes more playing time per game. 6 games each left. Silva's Sr. year. I say let her play all game every game to beat King. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 31, 2006, 07:22:47 PM
Darn it has gotten quiet in here since the Marlin players and fans quit posting. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 31, 2006, 07:34:57 PM
Bridgewater 36
Roanoke 26

HALF

The Eagles finished the half on a 15-3 run.
Title: BC 72, Roanoke 51 FINAL
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 31, 2006, 09:50:33 PM
BC 72, Roanoke 51   FINAL

   Maybe the voters will take that into consideration next week if BC wins the rest of its games. One of BC's losses was to Mary Washington, the only unbeaten team in d3 women's hoops.
    I am not saying that BC is a top 25 team but I thought a voter or 2 would have BC ranked #25.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 01, 2006, 07:03:55 AM
  As good as RMC is, no one can convince me they are at least 32 spots ahead of Bridgewater after they beat E&H by only 3.
Title: Re: BC 72, Roanoke 51 FINAL
Post by: sunny on February 01, 2006, 08:52:16 AM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 31, 2006, 09:50:33 PM
    I am not saying that BC is a top 25 team but I thought a voter or 2 would have BC ranked #25.

I've never understood this line of reasoning.  Voters are supposed to rank the top 25 teams, but it seems like a lot of people expect a voter or two to just throw a vote their school's way so that they show up in "others receiving votes."

If one voter put Bridgewater at 24, that's two points in the poll, but maybe that voter would be the only one who would put Bridgewater in the top 35, much less 25.  Meanwhile, Bridgewater is currently not receiving any top 25 votes, but might be in the top 30 of several voters.

This is why you can't put much stock in the vote totals of teams "receiving votes" outside of teams who finished just outside of the top 25 (within 10 points or less).  Because one, a couple, or a handful of people might put team A in the 20-25 range doesn't necessarily indicate where the 25 voters on average would place that team.  If you want to look at the voters' opinions on teams 26-50, you'd have to ask the voters to rank 50 teams.

The only thing you can conclude is that none of the voters put Bridgewater in their top 25 this week.  That's it.  You can't start counting all of the team's receiving votes and say that the voters ranked Bridgewater behind them all.  The voters are only asked to vote for 25 teams, not 45.  This also why it bothers me when a school promotes itself or an opponent as being ranked 29th or 33rd or whatever.  It's a top 25 poll.  If you aren't in the top 25, you aren't ranked.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 01, 2006, 10:09:22 AM
I like VWC. I read but do not often post. VWC did take it on the chin this weekend. It probably served several purposes that will make their team stronger. VWC has been facing some injuries that have not been talked about here. They are a team of many but they did have a rotation and were use to playing in certain spots and roles. Due to the injuries the team chemistry changed a bit. This has taken them a little time to get use to it.

They have a big game against RMC this weekend. They probably still will not be completely healthy. With a good finish to the year VWC will be the #3 seed. I think BC or RMC would not be happy to see them in their bracket.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2006, 10:50:17 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 31, 2006, 07:30:14 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:11:02 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 29, 2006, 07:00:50 PM
forget that...GC 79 VWC 64
King plays 38 minutes and scores 32

Silva going to have tough time staying ahead of King in points with King playing 38 minutes a game. Silva's lead was only 23 points going into todays' games.



Silva lead down to 18 points. King averaging greater than 5 minutes more playing time per game. 6 games each left. Silva's Sr. year. I say let her play all game every game to beat King. :)
Well, it's King's Senior year too.  King needs to play those minutes to give the Quakers a chance to win, Silva may not.   Go Quakers!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 01, 2006, 10:52:52 AM
  I can appreciate that Chicago has a tough schedule but so does BC. Chicago is 14-4 but #5 in their conference at 3-4 and Chicago has lost 3 of its last 4 games yet got votes.
 Catholic and BC are both 15-4 and have one common opponent. BC lost to Mary Washington 85-67 while Catholic lost to Mary Washington 70-51. If BC and Catholic would play it may go into overtime. Catholic got votes, BC did not.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 01, 2006, 10:55:54 AM
  Christopher Newport lost to Virginia Wesleyan but beat Catholic by 2 points.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 01, 2006, 11:00:49 AM
RMC should beat Alvernia tonight but will face a tough game at #41 Richard Stockton. That contest will be a back to back game night for both squads on Thursday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 01, 2006, 11:04:51 AM
  Mary Washington at Catholic should be interesting tonight ( I know Catholic does not compete in the ODAC in hoops).
  Mary Washington should have the edge but at home you never know what Catholic might do.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 01, 2006, 11:16:18 AM
Otterbein is 15-4 while Trinity TX is 14-4. BC will face a tough game at Virginia Wesleyan while RMC gets to face VW at home.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: sunny on February 01, 2006, 11:54:33 AM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on February 01, 2006, 10:52:52 AM
 I can appreciate that Chicago has a tough schedule but so does BC. Chicago is 14-4 but #5 in their conference at 3-4 and Chicago has lost 3 of its last 4 games yet got votes.
 Catholic and BC are both 15-4 and have one common opponent. BC lost to Mary Washington 85-67 while Catholic lost to Mary Washington 70-51. If BC and Catholic would play it may go into overtime. Catholic got votes, BC did not.

You're forgetting that Catholic is the only team this year to beat Scranton, who is in the top five.  To some people, that makes a big difference.

Also, you don't know if Catholic is getting "votes."  They may just be getting one 21st place vote - that would give them their five points.  At MOST, five people voted for Catholic (if they all voted them 25th).  I don't think that's a ringing endorsement by the pollsters as a group for Catholic over Bridgewater. 

Once again, this is why looking at teams with a handful of points and saying "how come they got votes and our team didn't?" is a futile exercise.  You're chastising one to five voters, not 25.

Otterbein, Chicago, and Trinity (whose four losses are by a total of 15 points, including one in OT) both got fewer than 10 points as well.  If you want to make a case for Bridgewater being in the top 25, make a case for them over one of the teams in the top 25 or over Washington and Jefferson or George Fox (since they both narrowly missed out). 

Otherwise, you're not so much arguing why Bridgewater should be ranked, you're really just arguing why some of those teams that a couple people put at the bottom of their polls shouldn't be.  The majority of the voters agree with you that Trinity (TX), Otterbein, and Chicago shouldn't have been ranked this week.  That's why those teams aren't ranked.

I think a case can be made for Bridgewater over George Fox at this point in the season - I think some of the voters were out to lunch on George Fox this week. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 01, 2006, 08:44:45 PM

Silva lead down to 18 points. King averaging greater than 5 minutes more playing time per game. 6 games each left. Silva's Sr. year. I say let her play all game every game to beat King. :)
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Well, it's King's Senior year too.  King needs to play those minutes to give the Quakers a chance to win, Silva may not.   Go Quakers!
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Not true. King plays 38 minutes per game, even when they win by 15 like last 2 games. This is about being ODAC's leading scorer ( actually highest ppg as RM plays a game less than GC ).
I say let them both play all the time and shoot it out. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 01, 2006, 08:56:07 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on February 01, 2006, 11:00:49 AM
RMC should beat Alvernia tonight

RM wins 79-67. Goes 15 of 16 from charity stripe. Silva only scores 10 in 32 minutes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 01, 2006, 09:34:44 PM
Very well-balanced attack for RMC tonight against Alvernia. Senske and Orton both recorded double-doubles for the evening in points and rebounds.

I continue to be impressed with Katy Herr's rebounding....last night against Roanoke she lead BC in rebounding...the sixth time this season that has happened...it is also her second double-double of the season for points and rebounds, and the third time she has had double digits in rebounds. She is tied for BC's top-rebounder with Amy Childs.

What does everyone think? Is it a good thing to have the shortest player on the team lead you in rebounds? Herr is an amazing player and does a great job crashing the boards from the wing, but does it show a weakness for the team having your point guard lead you in rebounding?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 02, 2006, 12:34:06 AM
Mary Washington won 63-61 vs Catholic on a shot at the buzzer to remain the lone unbeaten in D3 Women's hoops.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2006, 11:46:58 AM
Congratulations to the Quakers for their 78-63 road win over Hollins Tuesday night.  Guilford improves to 8-11, 7-7 while HU falls to 0-18, 0-13.  Looks like King got 21 points, but the box did not mention minutes played.

If I remember correctly, Silva got 10 in the last RMC game, so the gap in the ODAC scoring race has tightened.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on February 02, 2006, 12:02:30 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 02, 2006, 11:46:58 AM
Congratulations to the Quakers for their 78-63 road win over Hollins last night. Guilford improves to 8-11, 7-7 while HU falls to 0-18, 0-13. Looks like King got 21 points, but the box did not mention minutes played.

If I remember correctly, Silva got 10 in the last RMC game, so the gap in the ODAC scoring race has tightened.

Do ya'll keep bringing this up because you think its King vs. Silva for POY? Also, you need to remember that Silva surpassed the ODAC record in assists last night with 630. Highes total points scored in the regular season is really no big deal. There alot of factors involded - minutes, strength of team, assists, etc.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2006, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: heinbball on February 02, 2006, 12:02:30 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 02, 2006, 11:46:58 AM
Congratulations to the Quakers for their 78-63 road win over Hollins last night. Guilford improves to 8-11, 7-7 while HU falls to 0-18, 0-13. Looks like King got 21 points, but the box did not mention minutes played.

If I remember correctly, Silva got 10 in the last RMC game, so the gap in the ODAC scoring race has tightened.
Do ya'll keep bringing this up because you think its King vs. Silva for POY? Also, you need to remember that Silva surpassed the ODAC record in assists last night with 630. Highes total points scored in the regular season is really no big deal. There alot of factors involded - minutes, strength of team, assists, etc.
No, not at all.  As of today, I think Silva should be POY.  I agree, a lot of factors should be considered, including, in my opinion, overall team success.  I just brought it up because the scoring race is so tight - nothing more, nothing less - just innocuous facts.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on February 02, 2006, 12:40:24 PM
Oh ok - Silva is rated as one of the Top 5 D3 Womens Hoops players in the Nation. Therefore unless Herr and King are rated in the Top 4 D3 Womens Hoops players in the Nation then there is no boubt that Silva will be POY. I doubt that even matters to her though - RMC is in search of something this post season much greater than generating an ODAC POY and a couple 1st/2nd teamers.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2006, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: heinbball on February 02, 2006, 12:40:24 PM
Oh ok - Silva is rated as one of the Top 5 D3 Womens Hoops players in the Nation. Therefore unless Herr and King are rated in the Top 4 D3 Womens Hoops players in the Nation then there is no boubt that Silva will be POY. I doubt that even matters to her though - RMC is in search of something this post season much greater than generating an ODAC POY and a couple 1st/2nd teamers.
I agree with you.  I told you I agree with you.  Are you trying to convince yourself?  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on February 02, 2006, 12:55:48 PM
No that was just kinda general information. Some others on here probably do not agree with me. It doesnt matter - just FYI.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on February 02, 2006, 01:12:17 PM
If I have heard right, BC coach Jean Willi will be going for her 200th career victory Saturday when the Wasps travel to Bridgewater.  Good luck coach Willi on the accomplishment
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on February 02, 2006, 01:54:14 PM
That would be on Sunday that the Wasps play at Bridgewater.  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on February 02, 2006, 05:50:13 PM
Sorry about that EmoryFan...I meant against Guilford Saturday.  201 will be sunday
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2006, 07:15:52 PM
Quote from: bcsportswriter on February 02, 2006, 05:50:13 PM
Sorry about that EmoryFan...I meant against Guilford Saturday.  201 will be sunday
Hmmm ... well, here's hoping #200 will be delayed until after Saturday's game versus Guilford.  Go Quakers!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deanslist on February 02, 2006, 07:52:20 PM
Anyone have an update on the EMU-LC game?
Title: Lynchburg 69, EMU 62 FINAL
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 03, 2006, 01:02:35 AM
   Hornets win.
Title: #13 Randolph Macon 63, #41 Richard Stockton 56:
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 03, 2006, 01:07:07 AM
   RMC with a big win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 03, 2006, 07:42:17 AM
Not a good loss for EMU last night. Any details on how the Hornets gained such a big lead?

Hopefully, EMU can have a good weekend against GC and E&H. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on February 03, 2006, 08:10:56 AM
Well, my bad for the correction bcsportswriter.....

I'm hoping 201 will not be happening on Sunday either... :o
Title: Re: #13 Randolph Macon 63, #41 Richard Stockton 56:
Post by: GAVA on February 03, 2006, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on February 03, 2006, 01:07:07 AM
   RMC with a big win.

Silva plays entire game, scores 27.
Title: Re: #13 Randolph Macon 63, #41 Richard Stockton 56:
Post by: GAVA on February 03, 2006, 06:26:35 PM

Silva plays entire game
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which is what she will need to do in the last 4 games to maintain ODAC leading scorer rank. King will be doing same with GC trying to catch Silva.
Title: Re: #13 Randolph Macon 63, #41 Richard Stockton 56:
Post by: GAVA on February 03, 2006, 06:33:12 PM


to maintain ODAC leading scorer rank.
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According to ODAC website Silva is also currently leading scorer in D3 hoops.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 04, 2006, 12:07:57 PM
Don't know if its too late...but any guesses about today's games?

GC at BC (1:00)
E&H at EMU (2:00)
LC at RC (2:00)
RMWC at W&L (2:00)

I am going to go with all the home teams here....I had a tough time with Lynchburg @ RC....but I think RC has Hanson back now...and even though Lynchburg is coming off a big win against EMU...they seem to be inconsistent and I think RC will be ready to play. Good luck to all the teams today!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 04, 2006, 12:18:33 PM
GC at BC (1:00)
E&H at EMU (2:00)
LC at RC (2:00)
RMWC at W&L (2:00)


Once again...gotta be different. I think E&H are going to continue their hot streak on the road today against EMU....The Wasps had an excellent run last weekend with a 14-point win over VWC and a tough 3-point loss to RMC. I also think RMWC has a good chance to grab a big road win over W&L today. The middle of the ODAC is very close, and so every game is a big one! Good luck today!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 04, 2006, 12:25:46 PM
Good luck to Coach Jean Willi of Bridgewater as she tries to pick up her 200th career win today against Guilford! Also, Coach Willi is on her way to guiding the Eagles to their ninth 20 win season in the last ten years! Way to go!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 04, 2006, 03:33:46 PM
Coach Willi picks up #200! BC rolled to a 87-52 victory! Lone senior Marsha Kinder put on a good show for Bridgewater's senior night scoring 18 points to lead the Eagles. Kinder also contributed 7 rebounds. Shannon Scales and Torri Ruckman each had 13 points for BC while Katy Herr chipped in 6 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, and 3 steals. Good game by BC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 04, 2006, 05:57:01 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 04, 2006, 03:33:46 PM
Coach Willi picks up #200! BC rolled to a 87-52 victory! Lone senior Marsha Kinder put on a good show for Bridgewater's senior night scoring 18 points to lead the Eagles. Kinder also contributed 7 rebounds. Shannon Scales and Torri Ruckman each had 13 points for BC while Katy Herr chipped in 6 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, and 3 steals. Good game by BC!

Congrats BC. Do you have a link to the boxscore? BC continuing to win is good for ODAC.
Title: Re: #13 Randolph Macon 63, #41 Richard Stockton 56:
Post by: GAVA on February 04, 2006, 06:13:42 PM
 King will be doing same with GC trying to catch Silva.
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King plays entire game in 35 point loss to BC. Scores 19.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 04, 2006, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 04, 2006, 12:18:33 PM
GC at BC (1:00)
E&H at EMU (2:00)
LC at RC (2:00)
RMWC at W&L (2:00)


Once again...gotta be different. I think E&H are going to continue their hot streak on the road today against EMU....The Wasps had an excellent run last weekend with a 14-point win over VWC and a tough 3-point loss to RMC. I also think RMWC has a good chance to grab a big road win over W&L today. The middle of the ODAC is very close, and so every game is a big one! Good luck today!

good call again fairmont. I think it is you on the hot streak.

E&H beats EMU 66-58
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 04, 2006, 06:22:30 PM
RC79 LC43
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 04, 2006, 06:26:49 PM
W&L 68 RMWC 48
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 04, 2006, 11:26:18 PM
Thank you GAVA. I was a little worried at halftime of the E&H v. EMU game, I thought my pick might be wrong, but E&H had a very strong second half.

Here's my picks for tomorrow.....

E&H at BC (1:00)
GC at EMU (1:00)
LC at W&L (2:00)
VWC at RMC (2:00)
RC at RMWC (3:00)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 05, 2006, 09:06:24 AM
I have to agree with all your picks fairmont. And may Silva play 40 and score 40 in her last regular season home game. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 05, 2006, 09:07:55 AM
where did all those marlin players go who were posing and posting on this board? ::)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 05, 2006, 04:42:41 PM
EMU picks up a 66-53 win over Guilford today.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 05, 2006, 07:09:42 PM
Great game for BC today! Eagles win it 84-61 over E&H. BC was up by only three points at half time.

Katy Herr had a stellar game, just missing a triple-double, with 24 points on 9-of-11 shooting. Herr also had 10 assists, 8 rebounds, and 4 steals. Herr also reached 300 career assists after today's effort, moving her into the top 10 all-time assist leaders at BC.

Marsha Kinder also had a great game with 17 points, 7 assists, and 7 rebounds. Good job today Eagles!

(BC also won the men's game over E&H, making it a clean sweap for BC)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 05, 2006, 07:12:39 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 04, 2006, 11:26:18 PM
Thank you GAVA. I was a little worried at halftime of the E&H v. EMU game, I thought my pick might be wrong, but E&H had a very strong second half.

Here's my picks for tomorrow.....

E&H at BC (1:00)
GC at EMU (1:00)
LC at W&L (2:00)
VWC at RMC (2:00)
RC at RMWC (3:00)

Quote from: GAVA on February 05, 2006, 09:06:24 AM
I have to agree with all your picks fairmont. And may Silva play 40 and score 40 in her last regular season home game. ;D

Well, GAVA, looks like we were right. No surprises in today's games.
King has 26 points today while Silva has 16.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 05, 2006, 09:22:23 PM
I got a chance to see E&H play twice this weekend. On Saturday @ EMU and then again on Sunday @ Bridgewater. I have to say, I just do not understand their strategy? They shoot a lot of 3-pointers (79 opposed to their oppenents 30) and they subbed five in-five out about every two to three minutes. I do not get it? I think they have some very talented players, but can they get in a good groove playing only several minutes at a time?

There was not much difference between the EMU and BC games. In both games the Wasps shot around 30%, in both games the Wasps mirrored their opponents turnovers, against BC the rebounds were even and against EMU they outrebounded the Royals by 5, E&H scored 66 against EMU and 61 against BC. Against BC the Wasps got off 75 shots and they got off 70 against EMU. So, how did EMU lose by 8 and BC win by 23?

Oh yeah, the Eagles had Katy Herr! What a game! I have seen a lot of ODAC games this year, and that was one of the best single game performances I have seen all year! Herr missed her first two shots, and then did not miss the rest of the game going 9-of-11 for 24 points. She had 10 assists, 8 rebounds, 4 steals, and 1 turnover, all in 30 minutes of action. Her defense was phenomenal, she handled the Wasps press with ease, and she had great passes all game long. The Eagles were only up by 3 at half, but Herr exploded for 16 second-half points to carry the Eagles to victory. Great job today!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 05, 2006, 10:33:35 PM
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Well, GAVA, looks like we were right. No surprises in today's games.
King has 26 points today while Silva has 16.
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It was Senior's Day at RM but freshman guard Hiltunen ( same HS as Silva ) also had 16 points in only 20 minutes off the bench.
Title: If the BC women get no votes this week they won't all year:
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 06, 2006, 12:26:24 AM
  Today I watched the BC Women win by 23 over a team that lost by 3 points to #13 RMC recently.
Title: OT: Congrats Outsider 14 on Uncle getting Super Bowl ring:
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 06, 2006, 06:52:36 AM
  Uncle Colbert is in the Steelers Front Office.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on February 06, 2006, 09:29:39 AM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 05, 2006, 09:22:23 PM
I got a chance to see E&H play twice this weekend. On Saturday @ EMU and then again on Sunday @ Bridgewater. I have to say, I just do not understand their strategy? They shoot a lot of 3-pointers (79 opposed to their oppenents 30) and they subbed five in-five out about every two to three minutes. I do not get it? I think they have some very talented players, but can they get in a good groove playing only several minutes at a time?

There was not much difference between the EMU and BC games. In both games the Wasps shot around 30%, in both games the Wasps mirrored their opponents turnovers, against BC the rebounds were even and against EMU they outrebounded the Royals by 5, E&H scored 66 against EMU and 61 against BC. Against BC the Wasps got off 75 shots and they got off 70 against EMU. So, how did EMU lose by 8 and BC win by 23?

Oh yeah, the Eagles had Katy Herr! What a game! I have seen a lot of ODAC games this year, and that was one of the best single game performances I have seen all year! Herr missed her first two shots, and then did not miss the rest of the game going 9-of-11 for 24 points. She had 10 assists, 8 rebounds, 4 steals, and 1 turnover, all in 30 minutes of action. Her defense was phenomenal, she handled the Wasps press with ease, and she had great passes all game long. The Eagles were only up by 3 at half, but Herr exploded for 16 second-half points to carry the Eagles to victory. Great job today!

I completely agree.  Wasted talent this year......not the best job of coaching this year by Coach Scruggs. ???  Hopefully, they can make the rest of the season respectable, especially for the departing seniors. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 06, 2006, 05:55:19 PM
Where did Scruggs get the idea - all of a sudden- that this would be a good game plan??  I guess it you throw enough mud pies up against the wall, you will eventually get a bulls-eye.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on February 06, 2006, 05:57:36 PM
BC got 2 measly votes in this week's D3.com poll.....wahoo.

Cant wait for the tournament....should be a fun one
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 06, 2006, 06:05:45 PM
It was a great weekend at BC! Here are some highlights....

Coach Jean Willi picks up her 200th career win on Saturday against Guilford, and #201 against E&H on Sunday!

BC runs their winning streak to 12 straight games!

Katy Herr plays exceptional, Bridgewater men's star Clay Michael scores his 1,000th point on Sunday in a win over E&H, and both Michael and Herr are awarded ODAC Player of the Week honors!

BC is now getting votes for the top 25!

Very good weekend! Keep it up!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 06, 2006, 06:12:14 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 06, 2006, 05:55:19 PM
Where did Scruggs get the idea - all of a sudden- that this would be a good game plan?? I guess it you throw enough mud pies up against the wall, you will eventually get a bulls-eye.

I totally agree with everyone. I do not understand this philosophy at all. However, was this Scruggs' idea? I have had a lot of respect for Scruggs since I have started following the ODAC, and I can not imagine why she would implement a strategy like this? The only thing that makes me wonder if it wasn't Scruggs' idea is the fact that the men's team does the exact same thing. The E&H men shot 75, that's right, 75 three-point field goals on Sunday @ BC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 06, 2006, 10:11:12 PM
One can hardly blame Coach Scruggs for trying to give her team an edge against competitors in the league who play 6-8 players in a slower-paced manipulated offense.  Grinnell style basketball (or as the E&H men's coach refers to as "run and fun"), is typically a hard style to implement in women's basketball because you force a lot of mediocre outside shooters to lob up 3-pointers any chance they get.   (And I'm not saying the men are any better).  A big problem we had at VWC in 1999-2000 using the same philosophy was that we never had our 5 best players on the court at any time.  Finding the right chemistry within 2 or 3 teams of five is hard.  And whenever a player gets hot and nails two or three big shots in a row, they are yanked after their allotted 2 minutes and subbed out.  It's an easier style to work yourselves into after a few years when you've recruited for it and players know how to change their game and mentality.  The Grinnell style seems to work well when you have a great team bottom to top who are fast and can hit the three's, but trying to force a team into it makes them reevaluate what they've always been taught  - work the offense, take the good shot, play strong team D, crash the boards, etc...

Although we tried, our squad went from losing games in fistfulls to dropping the philosophy and playing good, smart basketball in it's finest form - and finally getting the W's, giving us confidence back in our program.  It's a valient effort, but we can't all be Grinnell.
Title: BC Women are #35:
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 07, 2006, 12:47:05 AM
  I will not complain. I will celebrate the results of this poll.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on February 07, 2006, 11:23:42 AM
Well I believe it was a lack of inside prescence for Coach Scruggs that made her decide to try something different.  However, I don't think E&H has enough players to do that type of game.  The "run and gun" with about 2 rotations won't work.  Then, as OldSchoolMarlin said, a team or player gets in a groove and their time is up and they are yanked.  I am not a big fan of it at all.  Some aspects of it are good, and I think they can be incorporated into traditional style basketball and work well, however, I agree that it all goes against everything players are taught in all their years of playing.  Bad call this year when I think the talent could have been utilized differently and probably had a better outcome.  Hopefully, there will a respectable end to the season.

OldSchoolMarlin,
I didn't realize that you guys tried this style of play in '99-'00......I always remembered you guys being "up and down----up and down", but I didn't realize that is something you all were doing.  Maybe Coach Wrenn had a similar thought to Scruggs about trying this out.......who knows!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 07, 2006, 02:02:08 PM
Yes, Coach Renn had a vision with the Grinnell style, and we worked hard at it for her, but we had a hard time believing in it, which is very important for any team concerning their team philosophy.  We were all trained to be quick and run the ball up and down the court as you said (we had a 4 second drill to get the ball out of bounds and score out of our secondary on the other end - we ran a lot of suicides for that!)  A few games after Christmas break, it was hard to swallow that it wasn't working out that well, but what determines a great coach is his/her ability to admit when something isn't working and move on to a different strategy.  I haven't seen E&H play this year, but there is not doubt that Joy Scruggs is a great coach and she will give her team all the tools to succeed.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 07, 2006, 06:19:01 PM
Coach Scruggs may be a good coach.  But she has not done whatever is necessary to win.  She DOES have an inside presence - she is just not using it - for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 08, 2006, 01:32:53 PM
I just took a look at the ODAC scoring race:  RMC's Silva has 479 points in 21 games which is 22.81 ppg and GC's King has 496 points in 22 games which is 22.55 ppg.  It should be interesting to see how this ends as the season winds down.   :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 08, 2006, 06:09:24 PM
The first regional rankings came out today (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=125) and they have both Randolph-Macon and Bridgewater ranked in the top 6 teams of the South Region. RMC is 3rd and BC is 6th.

Also, Katy Herr was named to the National Team of the Week for the second time this year! What a week for Herr! Let's hope Herr and BC can keep it going!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 09, 2006, 10:52:44 PM
BC wins tonight 86-53 over RMWC for their 13th straight win!

Katy Herr continues to play well scoring 18 points on 7-of-10 shooting in just 20 minutes of action. Herr also contributed 5 steals. Marsha Kinder shot lights out, shooting 6-of-7 including 3-of-4 from long range for a game-high 24 points.

Jennifer Prewitt led RMWC in both points and rebounds with 20 and 10.

BC travels to VWC this Saturday for a very important road game. Good luck to the Eagles!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 10, 2006, 04:40:29 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 09, 2006, 10:52:44 PM
BC wins tonight 86-53 over RMWC for their 13th straight win!

Katy Herr continues to play well scoring 18 points on 7-of-10 shooting in just 20 minutes of action. Herr also contributed 5 steals. Marsha Kinder shot lights out, shooting 6-of-7 including 3-of-4 from long range for a game-high 24 points.

Jennifer Prewitt led RMWC in both points and rebounds with 20 and 10.

BC travels to VWC this Saturday for a very important road game. Good luck to the Eagles!

My correction....Kinder had a team-high 19 points last night in the Eagles win over RMWC.

Another bit of good news for Kinder and for BC, Kinder has been named to the ESPN The Magazine District III College Division All-Academic First Team for women. College Division District III includes Division II, Division III and NAIA colleges and universities in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia. Way to go!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 10, 2006, 04:51:13 PM
So.....a big weekend....what is everyone's picks???

February 11th
BC at VWC (4:00)
RMC at EMU (2:00)
LC at E&H (4:00)
RC at GC (4:00)
W&L at HU (2:00)

I think that EMU will play RMC close, but RMC is going to end up pulling away in the second half.

Lynchburg is still trying to hang on to the hope that they will find themselves in post-season play, however it will be a tough road getting there. LC is 5-12, 2 games behind E&H, W&L, and Guilford, who are all sitting at 7-10. I think, however, that the Wasps are going to be too much for the Hornets and that LC will leave this weekend with little hope of a post-season.

I think the big game is RC @ GC. RC is 9-9 in the ODAC right now, and GC climbed to 7-7 before losing three in a row to drop to 7-10. This is a big game for both teams, but I think GC is going to rebound from their slide and pull this one out.

Good luck to all the teams!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 10, 2006, 04:52:56 PM
Once again I need to make a correction :-\

I meant to bold in RMC over EMU...but who knows...maybe that was a sign for the Royals ??? ??? ???

But anyways, my pick is RMC over EMU
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2006, 12:59:52 AM
I've made the trip home to Virginia Beach this weekend.  I plan on being at the BC/VWC game.

I'm interested in seeing the women's basketball following at Va Wesleyan.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 11, 2006, 08:18:02 AM
February 11th
BC at VWC (4:00)
RMC at EMU (2:00)
LC at E&H (4:00)
RC at GC (4:00)
W&L at HU (2:00)

This is the weekend of the away teams!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on February 11, 2006, 08:22:34 AM
Id like to see VA Wes. upset Bridgewater today - we'll see what happens. Besides BC/VWC I take all away games too.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 11, 2006, 08:18:02 AM
February 11th
BC at VWC (4:00)
RMC at EMU (2:00)
LC at E&H (4:00)
RC at GC (4:00)
W&L at HU (2:00)

This is the weekend of the away teams!

I take E&H at home. Vistors in other 4 games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 03:59:48 PM
RMC over EMU by a bunch. Waiting for boxscore.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 11, 2006, 04:33:21 PM
Box score is posted at http://www.emu.edu/athletics/news/?id=1030

EMU had 14 first half TO's campared to just 1 for RMC. 

Renalds and Mathews had a nice game for EMU.  While watching the battle between Renalds and Orton, they both scored 19 pts., but Renalds had 12 reb. compared to 7 for Orton.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 03:59:48 PM
RMC over EMU by a bunch. Waiting for boxscore.

RMC 88 EMU 66

Silva with season high 32. Needs another 100 for all time ODAC scorer.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mom#15 on February 11, 2006, 04:49:56 PM
The score at half time at the VWC vs. Bridgewater game is: VWC 24..............Bridgewater 12. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 04:52:57 PM
12 ?????
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: Mom#15 on February 11, 2006, 04:49:56 PM
The score at half time at the VWC vs. Bridgewater game is: VWC 24..............Bridgewater 12. 

BC needs to pick it up in second half or goodbye polls and ODAC season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2006, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: Mom#15 on February 11, 2006, 04:49:56 PM
The score at half time at the VWC vs. Bridgewater game is: VWC 24..............Bridgewater 12. 

Wow ... they shot 3-for-23.  That won't win you many games.  Thank goodness they are "only" down 12 points.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 05:19:16 PM
W&L 67   HU 52
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2006, 05:31:35 PM
Ugly loss for Bridgewater.   :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 05:35:15 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 11, 2006, 05:31:35 PM
Ugly loss for Bridgewater.   :-\


RMC ODAC Champs.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mom#15 on February 11, 2006, 05:38:41 PM
VWC 42 Bridgewater 35.  Way to go Marlins!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2006, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 05:35:15 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 11, 2006, 05:31:35 PM
Ugly loss for Bridgewater.   :-\
RMC ODAC Champs.

If this Bridgewater team shows up in the tournament, absolutely.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 11, 2006, 05:41:51 PM
VWC beats BC  ::)
        Bridgewater   12   23    35 
Virginia Wesleyan   24   18    42 


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 11, 2006, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 05:35:15 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 11, 2006, 05:31:35 PM
Ugly loss for Bridgewater.   :-\
RMC ODAC Champs.

If this Bridgewater team shows up in the tournament, absolutely.

I was talking about the regular season, although I expect RMC to run the table and Silva to set all time ODAC scoring record.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2006, 05:47:21 PM
The Bridgewater starters were a combined 7-for-49 (14%) from the floor.  Wow.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 11, 2006, 05:55:41 PM
BC must now win the ODAC tourney to get to the NCAA's. No more talk about the polls from me this week.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 11, 2006, 05:56:45 PM
BC vs. VWC

Looks like neither team could put the ball in the basket.  Great defense or terrible offense?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 11, 2006, 06:21:16 PM
VWC played good defense and beat them on the boards.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2006, 06:56:25 PM
any scores on the other games?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on February 11, 2006, 11:03:20 PM
I guess VWC can beat a "good" basketball team?  The haters out there are mighty quiet all of a sudden.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2006, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: justafan02 on February 11, 2006, 11:03:20 PM
I guess VWC can beat a "good" basketball team?  The haters out there are mighty quiet all of a sudden.

The Eagle-fan in me wants to say that a team coming in shooting 47% and shot only 17% tonight means it was just "one of those nights," but after I looked back at when the Eagles won 78-64 over the Marlins, the Eagles did shoot "only " 39% ... so I have to give some credit to the Marlin defense.

This definitely makes the ODAC tournament more interesting once it gets down to the semis (which will most likely be R-MC/EMU and BC/VWC).  I'll definitely make the trip down to Salem if that's the case on Feb. 24.

But yeah, about tonight, the Marlins definitely deserve a congrats for what they seemingly did to the Eagles with their defense.  And what a job Phillips (#32) did on the boards with 20 on the night.

So mark me down as one of the "haters" giving VWC some love.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 12, 2006, 08:34:54 AM
What is up with VWC always believing it is "them against the world?"

It doesn't matter, if it Mens or Womens, everyone "hates" VWC.



VWC fans,

Just remember, when you are good, people are going to try to knock you off and part of that is talking trash.  When EMU went to the sweet 16, everyone was 'hating' on them, but that comes with the territory.  Enjoy it.  It means you are doing something right.  Everyone loves a loser, because it is an easy win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 10:27:49 AM
GC 64 RC 58
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 10:30:51 AM
Quote from: justafan02 on February 11, 2006, 11:03:20 PM
I guess VWC can beat a "good" basketball team?  The haters out there are mighty quiet all of a sudden.

Not haters...but was a little irked when their players were posing as impartial fans and bashing at RMC and Silva.  :-[
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 10:34:19 AM
W&L 67  HU 52
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 10:37:18 AM
Hey Fairmont,

   How did we all do yesterday?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2006, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 10:37:18 AM
Hey Fairmont,

   How did we all do yesterday?

Here's how people did...if I missed you..let me know

Fairmont 3-2
Valley 3-2
heinbball 4-1
Gava 2-3

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbingit on February 12, 2006, 12:13:22 PM
 ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 12:38:24 PM
Quote from: bbingit on February 12, 2006, 12:13:22 PM
???

welcome aboard...unusual first post ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 12:48:36 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2006, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 10:37:18 AM
Hey Fairmont,

   How did we all do yesterday?

Here's how people did...if I missed you..let me know

Fairmont 3-2
Valley 3-2
heinbball 4-1
Gava 2-3




2-3...phew :-\   Knew I was gambling going against GC at home but BC and E&H ( especially in the waspnest ) really let me down. :(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on February 11, 2006, 05:55:41 PM
BC must now win the ODAC tourney to get to the NCAA's. No more talk about the polls from me this week.

Sorry about that. It would have been good for ODAC to keep two nationally ranked teams and had regular season co-champs.
Got to bet on RMC all the way now. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbingit on February 12, 2006, 02:15:47 PM
From the Richmond Times Dispatch a couple of days ago:
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137833996195

RMC is a great team. Too bad they do not know how to win with class.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2006, 02:29:49 PM
On the contrary, I think that article shows Randolph-Macon is very meticulously taking these things into account.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 03:31:23 PM
Quote from: bbingit on February 12, 2006, 02:15:47 PM
From the Richmond Times Dispatch a couple of days ago:
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137833996195

RMC is a great team. Too bad they do not know how to win with class.


The Yellow Jackets' star is averaging  33.7 minutes per contest.

LaHaye said she understands the irritation of foes who believe they have been needlessly sliced and diced by Silva's brilliance. But she stopped short of apologizing.

"Players of Megan's caliber don't come along very often," she said. "This is her last year in college, and it's our last year with her. I don't think we should be criticized for allowing a special player to do what she's capable of doing.

"I've given it some thought - a lot of thought, actually - "  Times Dispatch



Silva is 9th in the ODAC in playing time this season .  Other people are playing more than her. Why should anyone want to see her sit on the bench and not break the all time ODAC scoring record?  And why do these sour grapes always seem to come from VWC players and fans? ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: bbingit on February 12, 2006, 02:15:47 PM

RMC is a great team. Too bad they do not know how to win with class.


Just sour grapes from the marlins 3rd rate wannabes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 05:01:56 PM
Oh GAVA, don't have a cow...just because RMC isn't the only team in the conference that can win a lot of games anymore doesn't mean that other teams and their fans don't have class and are "wannabe's".  Like Emufan said before, it's hard to be that team that doesn't have a consistently great team like some of the other ODAC legends...people started hating the little guys moving up the ladder.  Congrats, however, on trying to be the tough guy.  And every team has a bad seed in their fan base or two, not just the Marlins.  So just cool it with the mudslinging until the tourney and then have some class yourself and congratulate all the women basketball players and their coaches in the ODAC for giving their all this season.  (And that goes for all the other mudslingers too - the ODAC is made up of hard-working, intelligent women - to say others don't have class, even though we may not believe in their decision making, or we saw ONE player not help another up in ONE game for some odd reason, doesn't say it all for the whole organization...honestly.)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on February 12, 2006, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2006, 02:29:49 PM
On the contrary, I think that article shows Randolph-Macon is very meticulously taking these things into account.

Totally agree!  Given a player of Silva's talent, any team and coach would do the same or 'worse'.  It would not be fair to any player to limit their contribution, which is the reason they're on the floor, to compete.  What amazes me most about Silva is that she could have turned many of her record assists into points for herself.  That's unselfish and that's class.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 12, 2006, 05:14:29 PM
I imagine this post will be one that gets quite a bit of replies from Marlin fans, and I have gone back and forth about whether to post this or not, but I am going to. I am so disgusted at VWC and their players that I really don't care to see the Marlins play again. I have said before that I feel like VWC could really improve on their sportsmanship, and after watching every team in the ODAC play, I feel like the Marlins rank first in bad sportsmanship.

In Saturday's game against BC a VWC player (whom I will not mention) kicked a BC player very blatantly as she was on the ground. All of the fans who I was sitting with noticed it. One fan yelled that he figured VWC had been watching VA Tech too much. Some VWC fans around the area I was sitting came to the players defense saying that it seemed like an accident. I guess the player was having muscle spasms in her leg.

The VWC cheerleaders had a very sportsmanlike cheer during BC free throws. It went like this, "miss it...miss it....miss it..." Very original!

After the game some VWC students who were exiting the game were telling some BC fans that "here's the proof that BC is overrated."

I am just disappointed at the level of sportsmanship that VWC has shown this season. I have now seen them play four times, and I do not care to make that a fifth. There has not just been one incident for this team, there has been many!

VWC players and coaches....since I know some of you get on here....if you are reading this I would like you all to think about your actions....you all are a very good basketball team...a team which is on the rise...but you are not representing the ODAC very well at all!

Okay Marlin fans...please come to the defense of your beloved team whom you think everyone hates. I actually pulled for VWC at the beginning of the season...I really wanted to see three ODAC teams making a statement for their conference...but after seeing the Marlins....the only statement they'll make is one of poor sportsmanship!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 12, 2006, 05:25:37 PM
I tend to like to see EMU, W&L, and BC do well. I am from Augusta County, and so these three teams are all close to me.

However, I have enjoyed watching RMC make national headlines because it represents the ODAC very well. Everytime I watch Silva I am amazed at her talent. Other then the fact that she enjoys talking to the officials, I think she is a great sport. She goes out of her way to help players up, and after every BC game I have always seen Katy Herr and Megan Silva stand around, chat, and congratulate eachother on a good game. That is class!

I think RMC has had a great season! Really the only thing that RMC does that gets under my skin is their barking at half-court after they win. No team who has just been beaten wants to see that, nor do the fans. I feel like that is something to be done in your lockerroom.

However, I do respect RMC and Silva and am happy to see them representing the ODAC well! I would love to see BC and RMC both make the tournament and have two teams representing the ODAC! I am tired of people arguing about the class of RMC. I agree with the yellow jacket fans, you all are just jealous.

VWC....I really do believe you all have a great team with lots of talent....but quit making your jealous statements and give a very good ODAC team some love. You all are on the up and up...and hopefully you all will be representing the ODAC one day on a national level. Hopefully at that time there will be no RMC fans getting jealous, and hopefully the Marlins will have acquired some class by then.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 05:42:20 PM
VALLEYbballfan,

Please list, besides the very common "miss it" cheer and "overrated" comment that you hear at every basketball game across the country, any other unsportsmanlike issues of yours with VWC.  I know the players and the coaches well, and much like Silva who may get some flack, these are girls who take pride in their attitudes and their appearances not only to the other team and fans, but to the ODAC itself.  If Dunmyer ever thought they were acting at all unsportsman like, they would be yanked and benched indefinitely.  Man, I guess people really will say anything to bash teams rising to the top - especially "non valley" schools...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 05:43:51 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 05:01:56 PM
  So just cool it with the mudslinging and have some class yourself

I think I will just wait until ANYONE affiliated with VWC shows some class, thanks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on February 12, 2006, 05:50:26 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 12, 2006, 05:14:29 PM
The VWC cheerleaders had a very sportsmanlike cheer during BC free throws. It went like this, "miss it...miss it....miss it..." Very original!

The only thing I will comment on is this "woo is me" statement.  Are you kidding me?  The cheerleaders are bad sports?  HA HA HA!!!  That is a cheer you would hear at a 9 year old basketball game and there is no judgement of class based on that.

On another note:  If the kicking incident is true, you have all my support in bashing VWC.

I am a supporter and a loyalist no doubt, but many posters on here are emotionally attached to their key boards and don't know when to applaud and when to smite.  I remember being a poster to say that the jury is out on VWC as a quality team b/c they hadn't beaten great teams.  I still agree with that statement as I do not think BC is a top notch squad either, when you look outside the conference.  The only legit team, in my opinion, in the conference is RMC.  BC, EMU, VWC are good teams with a ways to go before they get some national love.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 06:46:31 PM
.....right up unitil Macon gets beat in the ODAC tournament., then know somewhere i will be sitting in the stands smiling patting my own back.

Another classy VWC post ! I expect when the tourney is over it won't be your back but another body part you will be patting. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 06:06:48 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 05:42:20 PM
  If Dunmyer ever thought they were acting at all unsportsman like, they would be yanked and benched indefinitely. 

you mean like when a VWC player posts under the name " maconmesick" ?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill on February 12, 2006, 06:13:44 PM
It's incredible how vicious some of you "adults" can be, if you are adults.  Valleybb, as I said before, you are entitled to your opinion, but your attempts to paint VWC as a classless team are based on seeing the team in what, two or three games?  I don't care if you are tied to Augusta County, you are still very, very biased in your views.  Now you've tried to spread your ridicule from the team, to the cheerleaders to a handful of students walking out of the game.  Didn't you forget to attack the Marlin mascot, the announcer and the people in the concession stand?  And oh, by the way, I saw a Bridgewater player knock a VWC player to the court and walk away from her.  Seems to me that falls in your definition of classless.  You have not seen all of the teams in this conference play enough to make the kind of statements you do.  If every other team in this league is innocent, that it is just incredible.  Did you miss the action in the corner when the Bridgewater player shoved a VWC player into the chairs?  Or was that just good aggressive basketball?  And you know what, I really doubt if anyone cares if you see another VWC game.  You obviously wouldn't enjoy it anyway.  

And GAVA, what is your purpose in this room?  Only to try to stir up posters?  Where IS your proof of all of these VWC posters bashing R-MC?  Give the head count and the ID that makes your sure they are VWC players.    There was ONE player, count that GAVA, one player that was "outed" by a poster and it was after her ONE and only comment, which was mild to say the least.  You make accusations, so here's one for you, YOU must be a R-MC player.  How stupid does that sound?  Exactly.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 06:22:03 PM
Quote from: jmill on February 12, 2006, 06:13:44 PM
 

And GAVA,  Where IS your proof of all of these VWC posters bashing R-MC?  

I always copy the post I am replying to ?????? ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2006, 06:52:36 PM
Wow! This board sure has gotten viscious! Valley, I also saw that BC girl get kicked by a VWC fan! I was apalled and sincerely hope that if Coach Dunmyer reviews that game tape and sees that incident, that the particular player who was responsible will be benched for at least the remainder of the regular season, if not longer.

I think that no team is innocent from classless acts, and there is no team in the ODAC that stands out as having no class. You can not describe actions by cheerleaders or students to describe a basketball team's reputation. I have not been impressed by VWC this year, but then again there have been incidents by BC, RMC, and many other schools that I have not been impressed with. It is part of the sport, there are good apples and bad apples in every orchard (ODAC).

jmill.....I also do not think you stooping to the other posters level demonstrated how an adult would act. Be careful to call people out like that.

Now....on to basketball....will Silva break the ODAC scoring record before the end of the season? In the ODAC tournament? In the NCAA tournament? Or not at all?

I say second round of the ODAC tournament. She'll probably have two big games to end the season as the yellowjackets finish with RMWC and Hollins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2006, 06:55:20 PM
Hahahaha!!! ;D
I said I saw the BC girl get kicked by a VWC fan....WOW! I guess that would have been a little too blatant if a fan kicked her....I meant to say I saw a VWC player kick that BC player...and it was blatant and there was no need for it.

I guess I need to take a typing class. :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2006, 06:52:36 PM

"I think that no team is innocent from classless acts, and there is no team in the ODAC that stands out as having no class. You can not describe actions by cheerleaders or students to describe a basketball team's reputation. I have not been impressed by VWC this year, but then again there have been incidents by BC, RMC, and many other schools that I have not been impressed with. It is part of the sport, there are good apples and bad apples in every orchard (ODAC). "

As far as the "class" issue goes, I agree that there are certain individual circumstances on every team, at some time, where it may be a problem (maconmesick's ONE post that was removed and seems to have deemed VWC an unsportsmanlike team).  However, I don't think VWC would be getting so badly bashed if they were in the bottom of the league. 

I'll just end my opinion on this topic with saying that there are some great supporters out there of the Marlin program and most know first-hand how classy the school and the women's basketball program is.  If a VWC player kicked another player in a game, that is horrible, however I have a really hard time believing any of those players would have done it on purpose - although, no, I did not see it.  These women are fighting hard to win games and prove themselves in this league, but not at the expense of their character and class...I assure you.  So we can continue to bash or try to bring down, or we can agree to that this season has surprised us all and give credit where credit is due.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 07:32:27 PM
Didn't mean to quote the whole text - sorry Fairmont!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbingit on February 12, 2006, 07:34:24 PM
I have no problem with Silva at all. I think she is a great player, in fact, the best to ever play in the ODAC. She deserves all the awards and records. She has earned everything. I have a problem when the coach from RMC leaves her in a 40 point blowout so she can get 8 more points. I think she should have coached that game the way she would have had she not known about the record. Winning games with class should be more important than players setting records b/c they are at home. And the coach said she prayed about it....well, in my opinion, if she had to pray about whether it was the right thing to do then obviously it was NOT the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 08:05:43 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2006, 06:52:36 PM


Now....on to basketball....will Silva break the ODAC scoring record before the end of the season? In the ODAC tournament? In the NCAA tournament? Or not at all?


I say ODAC tourney final. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 12, 2006, 08:10:07 PM
"The only legit team, in my opinion, in the conference is RMC.  BC, EMU, VWC are good teams with a ways to go before they get some national love."

RMC LOST to Bridgewater, almost LOST to E & H and was given fits by a few other teams.  What makes them so much more "Legit"?  

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 07:31:42 PM

  So we can continue to bash or  give credit where credit is due.

Agree. Lets give credit to Silva as perhaps the best ODAC player ever. Classy post from a VWC fan.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on February 12, 2006, 08:14:52 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 08:05:43 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2006, 06:52:36 PM


Now....on to basketball....will Silva break the ODAC scoring record before the end of the season? In the ODAC tournament? In the NCAA tournament? Or not at all?


I say ODAC tourney final. ;)

First game of NCAA, at Crenshaw and we're ahead by 40 points with 7 minutes to go and she needs 8 points to break the record. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 12, 2006, 08:10:07 PM
"The only legit team, in my opinion, in the conference is RMC.  BC, EMU, VWC are good teams with a ways to go before they get some national love."

RMC LOST to Bridgewater, almost LOST to E & H and was given fits by a few other teams.  What makes them so much more "Legit"?  


Who are you quoting? posting to? Don't know what one means by legit. Perhaps whoever posted meant they felt that RMC was only ODAC school playing well enough to be on national radar.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 08:18:08 PM
Quote

First game of NCAA, hopefully at Crenshaw and we're ahead by 40 points with 7 minutes to go and she needs 8 points to break the record. 
Quote


LMAO :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 07:31:42 PM

  So we can continue to bash or  give credit where credit is due.

Agree. Lets give credit to Silva as perhaps the best ODAC player ever. Classy post from a VWC fan.  ;)


Hey, I agree.  Silva is definitely one of the ODAC's best, and she plays her heart out and is a great sport.  I have a lot of respect for her - not only as a former ODAC player but as a J.R. Tucker player (in the same high school district as Hermitage) and having gone to R-MC for my freshman year.  She is a class act and deserves her props.  She can't help what position she is put in by her coaches as far as playing time.  She is going to score and be great when she is in.  I also think there are a lot of other great players this year who are somewhat overlooked because they have to stand up next to her.  But it's not Silva's fault.  It's just important to recognize what everyone else is doing in the conference as well.  Anyway, it will just be a totally different league next year without her, Jennifer King, etc.  And finally some seniors for VWC next year!  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on February 12, 2006, 08:35:36 PM
Old School, what year were you at Macon?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 08:36:34 PM
Freshman year - played volleyball and softball - then transferred to VWC  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 08:37:23 PM
oops i mean 1997-98  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 08:45:48 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 12, 2006, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 07:31:42 PM

  So we can continue to bash or  give credit where credit is due.

Agree. Lets give credit to Silva as perhaps the best ODAC player ever. Classy post from a VWC fan.  ;)


Hey, I agree.  Silva is definitely one of the ODAC's best, and she plays her heart out and is a great sport.  I have a lot of respect for her - not only as a former ODAC player but as a J.R. Tucker player (in the same high school district as Hermitage) and having gone to R-MC for my freshman year.  She is a class act and deserves her props.  She can't help what position she is put in by her coaches as far as playing time.  She is going to score and be great when she is in.  I also think there are a lot of other great players this year who are somewhat overlooked because they have to stand up next to her.  But it's not Silva's fault.  It's just important to recognize what everyone else is doing in the conference as well.  Anyway, it will just be a totally different league next year without her, Jennifer King, etc.  And finally some seniors for VWC next year!  ;)

Yes it will certainly be a different league next year, and VWC may well be a contender. As I didn't see VWC play this year I can't add or subtract to observations made by others regarding their on court sportsmanship. I do know that some of their fans have been very hostile to RMC and Silva on this board. Perhaps we can chalk that up to growing pains, and  to letting expectations getting a year ahead of possibility.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 12, 2006, 08:46:32 PM
GAVA:  I was REPLYING to Justafan2, - I just didn't do it right. :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on February 12, 2006, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 08:37:23 PM
oops i mean 1997-98  :)

Thanks, my son played football and wrestling at Tucker.  Didn't know we had softball then, I thought it was a new sport at RMC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 09:07:53 PM
Yep, it was a club sport that year - we started the trend  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 09:08:30 PM
Quote from: 78rmc on February 12, 2006, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 08:37:23 PM
oops i mean 1997-98  :)

Thanks, my son played football and wrestling at Tucker.  Didn't know we had softball then, I thought it was a new sport at RMC.

Who was your son and what year did he graduate from JRT?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on February 12, 2006, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 09:08:30 PM
Quote from: 78rmc on February 12, 2006, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 08:37:23 PM
oops i mean 1997-98  :)

Thanks, my son played football and wrestling at Tucker.  Didn't know we had softball then, I thought it was a new sport at RMC.

Who was your son and what year did he graduate from JRT?

He graduated in 2003, do you know any Tucker students from that era?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 09:31:56 PM
I caught a few girls' basketball games that year because I'm still good friends with the coach there...probably would know his name if he played football!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 13, 2006, 08:23:26 AM
Well...there is only one week of the regular season left...any guesses to the ODAC first team???

I had no problem choosing my first three....these first three girls are without a doubt first teamers to me....the last two I had some trouble deciding on?

Katy Herr
Megan Silva
Jennifer King

Jessica Hunsinger
Meghan Stensrud
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 13, 2006, 10:09:28 AM
Stephanie Mathews should definitely make 1st team.  She just impressed me a whole lot when EMU came to town.  She has a quick release on her shot and never seems to stop moving on both sides of the court.  Only knock against her is her shooting percentage from the field (32%).  Even so, if not for Silva being so good and celebrated, Mathews would be on the short list for POTY.

I wasn't that impressed by King.  Admittedly, she probably had one of her worst games when she visited Nininger Hall (only two points through the first 25-or-so minutes of the game), but I was left thinking after the game that she was just the best player on a mediocre team.

Here is why I'm not sold on King being one of the best players in the league;


So you ask, "if King doesn't make your All-ODAC first team, who does?"

Well, as I stated on Jan. 22;

Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 22, 2006, 08:44:46 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing Jennifer King (GC) this coming weekend.  After seeing six of the ODAC teams, this is my current All-ODAC 1st team;

Orton (R-MC)
Mathews (EMU)
Kinder (BC)
Silva (R-MC)
Herr (BC)

I sure hope King doesn't impress me, because I would have no clue who I would take off the above list.

Well, clearly, King didn't impress ... so I'm sticking with Mathews, Kinder, Silva and Herr.

Feel free to think I'm a homer by picking Kinder, but it would be hard to deny that after Silva, she's the best shooter in the league (47% FG, 47% 3PT, 83% FT).  Her stats aren't amazing, but considering she plays for a Bridgewater team and a coach in Willi that makes it a point to share the ball, her 18.1 pts, 3.3 rebs, 2.0 assts and 1.6 stls per game seem a tad more impressive.

The fifth spot is up for grabs by four ladies.  Like I said Jan. 23, there are four post players who are equally deserving;

Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on January 23, 2006, 09:10:14 AM
I think there are four post players that are about even (but with strengths in different areas)...

Orton (R-MC)
Hunsinger (W&L)
Renalds (EMU)
Phillips (VWC)

IMO, Hunsinger is the better defender, while Phillips is the better rebounder.  Orton and Renalds do a great job of complimenting Silva and Mathews.

I think it'll come down between Orton and Renalds, seeing that Orton was All-ODAC 2nd team a year ago while Renalds was All-ODAC 1st team, and both players are having betters years this season than they did last.  But personally, I liked Hunsinger the most.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 13, 2006, 11:57:51 AM
So here would be my voting for All-ODAC honors:

1st Team
Megan Silva, R-MC
Katy Herr, BC
Jessica Hunsinger, W&L
Stephanie Mathews, EMU
Marsha Kinder, BC

2nd Team
Jennifer King, GC
Amanda Renalds, EMU
Michelle Orton, R-MC
Heather Phillips, VWC
Salem Shaffer, R-MC

Honorable Mention
Caroline Wesley, LC
Erin Hanson, RC

The three girls from R-MWC all have had decent years (Stensrud, Prewitt and Rechnitzer), but there is no way statistically to differentiate them.  I'm probably safe in assuming two of the three will earn HM.  And finally, it's hard for me to "respect" someone's stats when it's a product of "the system."  Even though they just jack up threes, I can see the ODAC honoring at least one Wasp, so I'll go with Lauren Habel (at least she shoots a decent percent from there; 33%).

Player of the Year: Megan Silva, Randolph-Macon
Coach of the Year: Stephany Dunmyer, Virginia Wesleyan
Freshman of the Year: Kristine Ellis, Guilford
Scholar-Athlete of the Year: Marsha Kinder, Bridgewater
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 13, 2006, 02:04:26 PM
Undoubtedly, King had an "off" game when she played at BC, but based on the whole season, I firmly believe she will be a First Team ODAC selection on almost everyone's ballot.  I've seen her play quite a few times the past four years and she is one of those players than can - and does - put the team on her back.  Unfortunately, this year's Guilford team has required her to do that fairly often.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: upper90 on February 13, 2006, 02:31:24 PM
What is everyone's thoughts on freshman of the year???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 13, 2006, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: upper90 on February 13, 2006, 02:31:24 PM
What is everyone's thoughts on freshman of the year???

Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 13, 2006, 11:57:51 AM
So here would be my voting for All-ODAC honors:

Freshman of the Year: Kristine Ellis, Guilford
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2006, 03:16:07 PM
Here are my votes for ODAC First Team:

Katy Herr
Megan Silva
Jennifer King
Amanda Reynolds
Jessica Hunsinger
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 13, 2006, 03:21:17 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 13, 2006, 02:04:26 PM
Undoubtedly, King had an "off" game when she played at BC, but based on the whole season, I firmly believe she will be a First Team ODAC selection on almost everyone's ballot.  I've seen her play quite a few times the past four years and she is one of those players than can - and does - put the team on her back.  Unfortunately, this year's Guilford team has required her to do that fairly often.

Anyone that scores 500 points in a season is doing something right, sure.  But 4.7 turnovers a game?  Eww.  Shoots 18 shots a game?  That's a lot.  1-7 against the top four teams in the conference this year?  Not very good.

No question she's All-ODAC worthy, but it was just my opinion from what I've seen this season that there are other players more worthy.  If you put her on your 1st team, using my All-ODAC ballot, who do you take off?  Kinder?  Hunsinger?  Mathews?

Kinder - Scores only four less points a game than King, but also plays six less minutes a game and shoots six less shots a game.  She takes care of the ball better than King does (63 TOs to King's 108) and shoots better from the field, behind the arc and charity stripe.

Hunsinger - IMO, the best post-defender in the ODAC.  Had six blocks against Bridgewater when they played in Nininger, holding our front court to 4-of-15 shooting - not to mention she outrebounded the two, seven to six.

Mathews - Averages less than nine shots a game (the explaination for her 8.9 point a game), but the 5-foot-9 forward is one of the few players in the conference that can play all five positions.  First on her team in rebounds and steals, and second in points and assists.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: upper90 on February 13, 2006, 04:06:49 PM
QuoteFreshman of the Year: Kristine Ellis, Guilford

I saw that post i was trying to get others to comment...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 13, 2006, 04:28:06 PM
Quote from: upper90 on February 13, 2006, 04:06:49 PM
QuoteFreshman of the Year: Kristine Ellis, Guilford

I saw that post i was trying to get others to comment...

Sorry.  I tend to just skim over long posts, I thought maybe you did that to mine.

The only other freshman I remember is one of the VWC guards.  Nice talent, but Ellis had her on the stats.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 15, 2006, 09:38:12 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin   Silva is definitely one of the ODAC's bestquote]

"one of the best"...That sounds like halfhearted props Marlin.
I think if Silva sets ODAC records for Assists AND Scoring then it could be objectively stated she has been the best to have ever played in ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 15, 2006, 11:08:26 PM
Come on now! I want to know about some of the action around the league tonight. I heard there were some good games...some important games.

BC beat Hollins tonight, 63-37,  to finish up 11-0 at home for the year.

Amy Childs was the only player to play over 20 minutes, and she only played 22 minutes. Bridgewater shared the ball really well as 12 girls got in the scoring colum for the Eagles.

Shannon Scales led BC with 15 points while Becca Henderson had 10 points and 8 rebounds. Bridgewater's big guns, Herr and Kinder, got a little rest tonight as Herr came up with 4 points on 2-of-4 shooting, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, and 2 steals in just 17 minutes. Kinder had 7 points on 3-of-8 shooting, 4 assists, and 2 steals.

Coby Wilmer paced Hollins with 16 points and 9 rebounds.

Bridgewater finishes up its season at EMU on Saturday with a chance to lock up their third straight 20-win season as the Eagles currently sit at 19-5.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 15, 2006, 11:23:58 PM
fairmont1113,

It's interesting you brought up that the Eagles finished 11-0 at home this season.  I looked back at the results from last year, and they finished the season winning their last seven games in Nininger Hall, giving them a current home winning streak of 18.

Their last loss in Bridgewater was on January 15, 2005, against Emory & Henry (49-48).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 16, 2006, 07:52:07 AM
BC will need to win the ODAC to get a bid to the NCAA's. If they had beaten the Marlins on the road then an at large bid would not have been out of the question.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 16, 2006, 08:23:09 AM
The Quakers came from 10 behind at home last night to beat W&L 63-56.  A 26-7 Guilford run starting around the 14-minute mark gave them a 9-point lead with about 5 minutes to go and, after the Generals cut it to 57-56, King hit 6 straight FT's.  Speaking of King, she had 26 points and 11 rebounds while Kristine Ellis added 10 points and 17 rebounds, so both had double-doubles.  I think this adds some credence to Ellis possibly winning FOY.  W&L was led by Krouchick, Feve and Hunsinger with 17, 16 and 15, respectively.  Krouchick also had a double-double with 10 rebounds while Hunsinger came close with 9.  I looked at stats this morning and King has 546 points to 511 for Silva, but King has played two more games, so Silva leads in ppg 23.2 to 22.8.  RMC finishes the regular season at Hollins and RMWC while GC entertains LC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 16, 2006, 08:26:13 AM
Quote from: upper90 on February 13, 2006, 04:06:49 PM
QuoteFreshman of the Year: Kristine Ellis, Guilford

I saw that post i was trying to get others to comment...
Ellis had 10 points and 17 rebounds in a win over W&L last night, so those numbers might help her bid for FOY.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 16, 2006, 10:14:48 PM
[quote author=hasanova   I looked at stats this morning and King has 546 points to 511 for Silva, but King has played two more games, so Silva leads in ppg 23.2 to 22.8.  RMC finishes the regular season at Hollins and RMWC while GC entertains LC.
Quote

Yes, GC plays one more regular season game than RMC.
I expect RMC to cut Silva loose from here on out. She needs more than 100 points to set the ODAC scoring record. So she will need 4 or 5 games at 25 or 30 points each. Expect to see her playing alot, even against Hollins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 16, 2006, 10:21:05 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on February 16, 2006, 07:52:07 AM
BC will need to win the ODAC to get a bid to the NCAA's. If they had beaten the Marlins on the road then an at large bid would not have been out of the question.

Could happen. If they beat RMC in the finals the ODAC gets 2 teams in.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 16, 2006, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 16, 2006, 10:14:48 PM
[quote author=hasanova   I looked at stats this morning and King has 546 points to 511 for Silva, but King has played two more games, so Silva leads in ppg 23.2 to 22.8.  RMC finishes the regular season at Hollins and RMWC while GC entertains LC.
Quote

Yes, GC plays one more regular season game than RMC.
I expect RMC to cut Silva loose from here on out. She needs more than 100 points to set the ODAC scoring record. So she will need 4 or 5 games at 25 or 30 points each. Expect to see her playing alot, even against Hollins.
Yeah, I know.  Not trying to be too hard on HU & RMWC, but realistically they probably won't keep Silva from getting big numbers. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 17, 2006, 01:59:33 AM
Awesome win against the Royals, VWC!!


GAVA - Half-hearted props to Silva?  Give me a break -s top taking the "everybody hates R-MC route...it's not a good look for you.  I said she's great and I mean it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 17, 2006, 08:40:16 AM
"I expect RMC to cut Silva loose from here on out."

Against Hollins and RMWC????

For a record????

I am sorry, but I do not agree with that, if that ends up being the case.

VWC, EMU, and BC all kept their starters to under 22 minutes against Hollins. The only exception to that is when BC played at Hollins and Herr played 26 minutes and EMU played at Hollins and Matthews played 27 minutes. With those two exceptions every other starter played under 22 minutes in both of those respective teams' games against Hollins.

The second time around against Hollins, Herr played 17 minutes and Matthews played 13. I am sure the first time when they played all of 26 and 27 minutes against Hollins, they were not trying to set records.

I was fine the first time RMC cut Silva loose on Hollins so she could reach 2,000 points at home. However, cutting Silva loose in two potential blow-outs? That does make me question the class of RMC? I think Silva will get the record, regardless if she doesn't see 36 minutes a game in these last two games. Silva and RMC have plenty of games left in this season. Even if they lose in the ODAC tournament, they will be going on as they are currently ranked #1 in the last south region rankings.

If Silva sets the record, great for herand for the ODAC! But set the record in a classy way, not getting cheap points against teams that are a combined 6-38.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 17, 2006, 08:42:14 AM
Now....on to the last weekend of the regular season.

What are everyone's picks?

February 18th
BC at EMU (2:00)
LC at GC (2:00)
VWC at HU (4:00)
RMC at RMWC (2:00)
W&L at E&H (4:00)

There are some big games this weekend with ODAC tournament implications. Should be a good weekend!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on February 17, 2006, 09:31:21 AM
These are my picks:

BC
GC
VWC
RMC
E&H

So who is going to the tourney next week?? :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Grutte Dirk on February 17, 2006, 10:33:20 AM
Is there a forum that discusses ODAC sports not found on D3sports.com?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 17, 2006, 01:15:52 PM
Coach Dunmyer of VWC did a respectable thing several days back....she called Coach Willi at Bridgewater and gave Willi her sincere apologies about the kicking incident that took place Saturday, February 11th at VWC.

To refresh some of your memories, a BC player hit the floor along with two other VWC players. One of the VWC players got up, and before walking away very blatantly kicked the BC girl. The officials did not see but many of the fans did. Some of you on this board voiced your doubt about whether or not the kicking incident was on purpose. Well, it was, and it was a starter on the Marlins squad. Coach Dunmyer also asked for the contact information of the BC player so her player who was responsible for the classless act could apologize.

I commend Coach Dunmyer for her actions. I am not sure what discilpinary actions are being taken against the VWC player, but I am sure that Dunmyer is punishing her as appropiate.

VWC is a program on the rise, and I am sure that Coach Dunmyer is letting this player know that she was not representative of VWC, her coach and teammates, or the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 17, 2006, 01:17:32 PM
Here are my picks....

BC
LU
VWC
RMC
W&L
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 17, 2006, 03:52:13 PM
Who will finish at spots 4-8?

5)  Guilford -  has learned from their mistakes and is making the most of what they     
                      have.

6)  Roanoke - still respectable, considering their injuries.

7)  E & H -  I still don't understand the plan.  (side note:  I didn't realize the coach got
                  the plan from the men's coach.  He's doing the exact same style.)

8)  W & L - 8th, IF they are lucky.  Such a shame for a team that started off the
                  early season with such promise.   

Any thoughts?     
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 17, 2006, 05:42:22 PM
Quote from: emoryfan on February 17, 2006, 09:31:21 AM
These are my picks:

BC
GC
VWC
RMC
E&H



Me too. I think we are all taking the same picks. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 18, 2006, 06:52:08 PM
BC defeats EMU 74-60. With the win BC ends its regular season at 20-5 18-2. This is the Eagles third straight 20-win season. GO EAGLES!

Marsha Kinder led BC with 20 points while Amy Childs had 16 points. Katy Herr, who only played about 8 minutes in the second half because she picked up her fourth foul, finished with 5 points, 6 rebounds, 7 assists, and 5 steals. Rebecca Henderson had a big game down low for BC as she grabbed a game-high 13 rebounds to go along with 6 points and 2 blocks.

Does anyone know about the W&L @ E&H game? Tip-off was at 4 but nothing has been posted yet. With Lynchburg coming back to defeat Guilford 58-55, a W&L victory would give the Hornets a spot in the tournament next week.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 18, 2006, 07:15:10 PM
E&H won 94-66
That leaves E&H, Roanoke and Guilford all at 9-11.  What determines tiebreaker for seedings?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 18, 2006, 10:22:44 PM
Looks like Silva scored 19 pts in 27 minutes today but RMWC's boxscore is pretty wacked. They have a couple of their players playing over 50 minutes each.  ???
Better offer a Math major. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 18, 2006, 10:23:39 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 17, 2006, 05:42:22 PM
Quote from: emoryfan on February 17, 2006, 09:31:21 AM
These are my picks:

BC
GC
VWC
RMC
E&H



Me too. I think we are all taking the same picks. :)


Fairmont, how did we do today?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 18, 2006, 11:03:39 PM
Fairmont, how did we do today?


Ok, here are the results of the day, both the scores of the games and how everyone did that made picks....

BC 74   EMU 60
http://www.emu.edu/athletics/basketball-w/2005_2006/emu0218.htm

LC 58   GU 55
http://www.lynchburg.edu/athletics/sports/basketball_w/2005-06%20stats/GCW-25.HTM

VWC 72   HU 59
http://www.hollins.edu/athletics/bball/hu24-vwc.htm

RMC 88   RMWC 41
http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/2005-06schedule.asp

E&H 94   W&L 66
http://www.ehc.edu/scores/2006/02/2006021818065433/ehcwlu2w.htm

emoryfan 4-1
Fairmont 4-1
Valley 4-1
GAVA 4-1

Looks like we all did pretty good today. Three-way tie in the ODAC! Can't get any better then that!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 19, 2006, 10:56:43 AM
Todays 2 games don't matter. What are tourneys pairings?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 19, 2006, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 18, 2006, 07:15:55 PM
Sorry for misspelling of Guilford
Thanks.  For some reason, some folks put that extra "d" as in "Guild"  I see you haven't posted so often - did you know you can hit the "modify" icon in the upper RH corner and go back and correct your posts?  Thanks again, Guilford, Class of '74
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 19, 2006, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 18, 2006, 07:15:10 PME&H won 94-66    That leaves E&H, Roanoke and Guildford all at 9-11.  What determines tiebreaker for seedings?
Head-to-head first, I think, then a point system with more points awarded for defeating higher ranked teams.  GC was 2-0 vs E&H and 1-1 vs RC.  RC was 1-1 vs both teams and E&H was 0-2 vs GC and 1-1 vs RC.   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on February 19, 2006, 01:18:41 PM
A comment was made that W & L "deserved" a 6th seed.  My response is the results speak for themselves.  W & L has one of the highest turnover rates in the league.  E & H beat them by 30 points - I'm not sure what "defense" was being used.  Congratulations to E & H for taking care of business.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 19, 2006, 04:01:12 PM
hasanova - didn't know about the modify option...do now
Thanks.

You're right, I don't post much, but read VERY often.  Love to 'listen' to all the comments and updates and love d3hoops. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 19, 2006, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 19, 2006, 04:01:12 PM
hasanova - didn't know about the modify option...do now    Thanks.

You're right, I don't post much, but read VERY often.  Love to 'listen' to all the comments and updates and love d3hoops.
You're welcome.  Hope your favorite team does well.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 19, 2006, 05:44:58 PM
Marlins lose on the road today to RMWC 82-70.  Not that it changes the standings, but that stinks.  A gut check before the tourney, which is probably a good thing.  Let's go ladies!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on February 20, 2006, 11:30:05 AM
E & H vs. Bridgewater at 6:30.  Does anyone else have the other times?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on February 20, 2006, 12:01:20 PM
Ooops, meant 6:00.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 20, 2006, 02:27:25 PM
Tournament Pairings

Thursday, February 23

Game 1 - #1 Randolph-Macon vs. #8 Washington and Lee – 12:30pm

Game 2 - #4 Eastern Mennonite vs. #5 Guilford – 2:30pm

Game 3 - #2 Bridgewater vs. #7 Emory & Henry – 6pm

Game 4 - #3 Va Wesleyan vs. #6 Roanoke – 8pm



Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 20, 2006, 03:54:15 PM
Here's a breakdown of the ODAC's statistical leaders at seasons end.....

SCORING                               G     total   avg.
1.SILVA, Megan-RMC.........    24   544    22.7
2.KING, Jennifer-GC...........    25   564    22.6

REBOUNDING                             G     total   avg.
1.PREWITT, Jennifer-RMWC...    23    260   11.3
2.HUNSINGER, Jessica-W&L...    25   252    10.1

ASSISTS                                 G      total   avg.
1.SILVA, Megan-RMC.........    24     147    6.12
2.HERR, Katy-BC................    25     124    4.96

ASSIST/TURNOVER RATIO
1.SHAFFER, Salem-RMC.....    2.83
2.HERR, Katy-BC............       1.97

STEALS                                   G     total   avg.
1.HERR, Katy-BC............        25     90     3.60
2.SILVA, Megan-RMC.........    24     81    3.38

BLOCKS                                       G      total   avg.
1.HUNSINGER, Jessica-W&L...     25     71      2.84
2.HENDERSON, Rebecca-BC....    25     37      1.48


I think Silva, Herr, and Hunsinger all deserve to be on first team. Not only do they lead the ODAC, they lead their teams.

Herr leads her team in steals, assists, and rebounds, and is second in scoring.

Silva leads her team in scoring, assists, and steals.

Hunsinger leads her team in scoring, rebounds, and blocks.



Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 20, 2006, 03:57:07 PM
As far as I know, Bridgewater's 18-game home winning streak is the seventh longest in women's Division III.

Most Consecutive Home Wins (updated through Feb. 19)


SchoolStreakLast Home LossRemaining 2005-06 Home Games
Bowdoin
69
Colby, 65-58, 2/10/01---
Scranton
66
DeSales, 73-71, 2/15/03King's, 2/22
Southern Maine
44
Bowdoin, 59-52, 12/2/03Mass-Dartmouth, 2/21
Messiah
26
Wittenberg, 51-48, 3/6/04Susquehanna, 2/22
Cortland State
23
Geneseo State, 2/20/04New Paltz State, 2/21
Bates
22
Bowdoin, 2/7/04Williams, 2/25
Bridgewater (Va.)
18
Emory & Henry, 49-48, 1/15/05---

Note: The Division III women's basketball record for consecutive home wins is 88 set by Rust from 1982 to 1989.  It's also the longest streak for all divisions.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 20, 2006, 06:21:57 PM
[quote author=fairmont1113


I think Silva, Herr, and Hunsinger all deserve to be on first team. Not only do they lead the ODAC, they lead their teams.

Herr leads her team in steals, assists, and rebounds, and is second in scoring.

Silva leads her team in scoring, assists, and steals.

Hunsinger leads her team in scoring, rebounds, and blocks.




Quote

Silva also holds ODAC records for career assists and steals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 21, 2006, 08:44:08 PM
I got bored and did some math just now and I realized something that I don't think anyone else has noticed, but after this season, Lori Fletcher has a career total of 840 points, which would put her 9th all time in LC history. Lacey Currle finishes her career 11th all time in scoring at LC with 794 career points.

Correction, make that 10th and 12th because Caroline Wesley has 913 career points after her junior season, which is good enough for 6th all-time at LC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 21, 2006, 08:47:23 PM
Okay.....its tournament time!

What is everyone's guesses on.....

ODAC player of the year?
Freshmen of the year?
Coach of the year?
First team?
Second team?

and what is everyone's picks on tournament?


February 23rd
ODAC Quarterfinals
No. 1 RMC vs. No. 8 W&L (12:30)
No. 4. EMU vs. No. 5 GC (2:30)
No. 2 BC vs. No, 7 E&H (6:00)
No. 3. VWC vs. No 6. RC (8:00)

February 24th
ODAC Semifinals (1 & 3pm)

February 25th
ODAC Finals (2:00)

I am not going to post my predictions yet because I have to think about them...but I just wanted to go ahead and see what everyone else thought so everybody would have time to think about it also.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 21, 2006, 09:49:35 PM
Quarters: RMC, EMC, BC, VWC

Semis:RMC. BC

Finals: RMC

POY: Silva
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 21, 2006, 10:29:01 PM
Since I haven't made it to a lot games this season, and haven't seen all of the teams play, I don't want to put any predictions out there in terms of who is going to win awards tomorrow night at the banquet (other than Silva as the obvious POY).
Just wanted to wish the Yellow Jackets GOOD LUCK in the tourney - from what I have seen this season, they'll definitely make it all the way and get the W on Saturday. ;D
Hope ALL the teams have a safe, injury-free tournament!!!  :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 22, 2006, 08:28:59 AM
POY- Megan Silva
Coach of the year- Coach Dunmyer (VWC)
FOY- Kristine Ellis

First Team
Katy Herr(BC)
Megan Silva(RMC)
Jennifer King(GC)
Jessica Hunsinger(W&L)
Meghan Stensrud(RMWC)

Second Team
???????Here are some guesses????????
Marsha Kinder(BC)
Erin Hanson(RC)
Jennifer Prewitt(RMWC)
Michelle Orton (RMC)
Amanda Reynolds(EMU)
Lauren Habel(E&H)
Coby Wilmer(HU)

ODAC Quarterfinals
No. 1 RMC vs. No. 8 W&L (12:30)
No. 4. EMU vs. No. 5 GC (2:30)
No. 2 BC vs. No, 7 E&H (6:00)
No. 3. VWC vs. No 6. RC (8:00)

No. 1 RMC vs. No. 5 GC
No. 2 BC vs. No 6 RC

No. 1 RMC vs. No. 2 BC

I'M NOT PICKING RMC!!??!! ???that's right..I'm going with the rematch from last year with a surprise ending!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 22, 2006, 09:21:32 AM
no caroline wesley??

using conference stats only:
12th in odac in scoring
4th in rebounding
5th in FG%
7th in FT%
12th in blocks
6th in offensive rebounds
5th in defensive rebounds
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 22, 2006, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: > on February 22, 2006, 09:21:32 AM
no caroline wesley??

using conference stats only:
12th in odac in scoring
4th in rebounding
5th in FG%
7th in FT%
12th in blocks
6th in offensive rebounds
5th in defensive rebounds


I said guesses only??? Caroline Wesley has had a great year, so I am sure she will be considered for at least honorable mention, if not second team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 22, 2006, 10:07:02 AM
I think fairmont1113's failure is in not mentioning Mathews (EMU) and Phillips (VWC).

Yikes, how can you not give props to the third- and fourth-seeded team's best players?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 22, 2006, 01:45:08 PM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 22, 2006, 10:07:02 AM
I think fairmont1113's failure is in not mentioning Mathews (EMU) and Phillips (VWC).

Yikes, how can you not give props to the third- and fourth-seeded team's best players?


It is actually very easy to not give props to the third and fourth seeded team's best player. You see, I was making guesses for first and second teams, an honor awarded for individual performance, not an award based on how well the team that you played for did, although I do believe that does factor in.

So, why do I say it is easy to not give props to Matthews (EMU) or Phillips (VWC), even if they play for good teams? Because their personal performances are not as outstanding as some of the other players in this league, or at least that is what I believe.

Last year Bridgewater, who finished second in the ODAC by several games over Roanoke, had not one single player placed on first or second team. Let me break down the stats of their two best girls from last year and compare them to Matthews and Phillips stats from this year.....

Player          Scoring Avg.        Reb. Avg.        AST        STL        BLK
2004-05
Herr, Katy               9.4                    5.7              95          70            6
Scales, Shannon    11.6                   5.3              48          59           28

2005-06
Matthews, Steph.   9.2                    7.1              41          64             8
Phillips, Heather     12.5                  7.1              32          25             16


Now, those stats have Bridgewater playing in two more games then VWC or EMU have played in thus far. However, I think you see my point. VWC is a very even team from top to bottom. They have a lot of girls who contribute, unlike some teams from the ODAC. So, that will result in a good team (3rd place regular season), but few individual honors. Now, Phillips might find a spot on second team, who knows? However, I think Matthews and Phillips best bets are to be named to the honorable mention team. This is just my opinion, but keep in mind that I believe Matthews and Phillips are outstanding players, I am not saying anything against their talent.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 22, 2006, 03:15:48 PM
I like fairmont1113's 1st team combination of players... even though I haven't seen all of them play THIS year, my basis for comment is how well they have played in years past as well as their statistics this season. But... I'd at least add Salem Shaffer of R-MC as one more player to the possibility of at least Honorable Mention if not 2nd Team. She is right up there with everyone else in many statistical categories, and is a great player all around and a great contributor to the team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 22, 2006, 03:18:38 PM
And as for the BC upset of R-MC in the finals... I hope you don't have money riding on that game!!! R-MC will take the tourney - not saying it's going to be easy, but I know those girls will not let an upset happen.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 22, 2006, 04:20:53 PM
Somtimes you have to just throw numbers out the door and use common sense.

Stephanie Mathews deserves to be on one of the three teams.  Are you really going to leave a 1000 pt scorer and a great rebounder off the team.  I don't know her final reb., but it is extremely impressive for her position and height.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 22, 2006, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 13, 2006, 08:23:26 AM
Well...there is only one week of the regular season left...any guesses to the ODAC first team???

I had no problem choosing my first three....these first three girls are without a doubt first teamers to me....the last two I had some trouble deciding on?

Katy Herr
Megan Silva
Jennifer King

Jessica Hunsinger
Meghan Stensrud


I wrote that over a week and a half ago...and I am sticking with that team..the same as your latest pick, fairmont. Your last pick had Amanda Reynolds on 1st team instead of Stensrud, any reason you changed your mind?

I think Herr, King, and Silva have pretty much appeared on everyone's prediction for first team. It will be interesting to see how everything works out. Tonight is the banquet, so we will soon find out.

Now...for my tournament predictions..........

February 23rd
ODAC Quarterfinals
No. 1 RMC vs. No. 8 W&L (12:30)
No. 4. EMU vs. No. 5 GC (2:30)
No. 2 BC vs. No, 7 E&H (6:00)
No. 3. VWC vs. No 6. RC (8:00)

No.1 RMC vs. No. 4 EMU
No.2 BC vs. No.3 VWC

No.2 BC vs. No.4 EMU


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 22, 2006, 06:29:47 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 22, 2006, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 13, 2006, 08:23:26 AM
Well...there is only one week of the regular season left...any guesses to the ODAC first team???

I had no problem choosing my first three....these first three girls are without a doubt first teamers to me....the last two I had some trouble deciding on?

Katy Herr
Megan Silva
Jennifer King

Jessica Hunsinger
Meghan Stensrud


I wrote that over a week and a half ago...and I am sticking with that team..the same as your latest pick, fairmont. Your last pick had Amanda Reynolds on 1st team instead of Stensrud, any reason you changed your mind?

I think Herr, King, and Silva have pretty much appeared on everyone's prediction for first team. It will be interesting to see how everything works out. Tonight is the banquet, so we will soon find out.

Now...for my tournament predictions..........

February 23rd
ODAC Quarterfinals
No. 1 RMC vs. No. 8 W&L (12:30)
No. 4. EMU vs. No. 5 GC (2:30)
No. 2 BC vs. No, 7 E&H (6:00)
No. 3. VWC vs. No 6. RC (8:00)

No.1 RMC vs. No. 4 EMU
No.2 BC vs. No.3 VWC

No.2 BC vs. No.4 EMU




a bit biased in those pick 'ems are you?  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 22, 2006, 06:58:08 PM
fairmont1113,

The only statistic that Mathews isn't impressive at is scoring, but she only averaged around nine shots a game this year.

And how can you not have a Marlin represented on the All-ODAC team when VWC had the best turnaround of any ODAC school from a year ago?  I'm sorry, but all conference honors aren't just statistics.

We'll see what the coaches and SIDs think.  I'm guessing they won't put a RMWC player on the first team, they'll have Mathews at least on the second team, and at least one VWC player will be recognized (most likely Phillips).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 22, 2006, 07:03:06 PM
Nice to see Bridgewater No. 6 in the latest NCAA Regional rankings at 20-5 in the region.

Question for Pat;

Clearly I want and think the Eagles could win the ODAC tournament, but let's say they lose in the final, finishing 22-6.  What are their chances of making the tournament field?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 22, 2006, 07:20:15 PM
I have to be honest...I agree with fairmont on this one.

Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 22, 2006, 06:58:08 PM
fairmont1113,

The only statistic that Mathews isn't impressive at is scoring, but she only averaged around nine shots a game this year.

And how can you not have a Marlin represented on the All-ODAC team when VWC had the best turnaround of any ODAC school from a year ago? I'm sorry, but all conference honors aren't just statistics.

We'll see what the coaches and SIDs think. I'm guessing they won't put a RMWC player on the first team, they'll have Mathews at least on the second team, and at least one VWC player will be recognized (most likely Phillips).

Statistics are obviously a huge part of all-conference honors. I wish they were not, but they are. For example...you think Matthews or Phillips should be honored on first or second team because their respective teams had good seasons, and that RMWC will not place someone on a team even though Stensrud and Prewitt both have better stats then Matthews and Phillips. That might be so...but why did Brandi Cochran from Hollins receive two first team selections when her team was a combined 13-37 for those two years? Why did Scales and Herr not receive any first or second team selections from last year? Fairmont proved that statistically they were equal if not higher to the two players you think should be on a team this year, and their team finished in second place last year!

In my opinion I think Amanda Reynolds and Matthews both deserve to be on a team, whether its first, second, or honorable mention. I also believe that Phillips should be on a team. However, I agree with Fairmont that it is not realistic to have those two girls on either a first or second team because even though their teams did well, their  stats are not as high as some of the other girls. Conference honors do weigh heavily on a players statistics. I do believe that both of these players could potentially be on 
second team, but I guess we will just have t5 wait and see.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 22, 2006, 07:24:05 PM

a bit biased in those pick 'ems are you?  Wink

Yes, I do seem to be a little biased ;D
If I were a betting man I might not put my money on those picks, but since I am no betting man and this board and these pick'ems have no money attached, I am going to go for some big upsets and two valley teams in the championship!

If I am right, I will look like a genious and am almost certain guaranteed some karma ;)

However, if I am wrong I will look like the board idiot and might just go into the negatives on my karm :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 22, 2006, 07:33:18 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 22, 2006, 07:20:15 PM
I have to be honest...I agree with fairmont on this one.


Statistics are obviously a huge part of all-conference honors. I wish they were not, but they are. For example...you think Matthews or Phillips should be honored on first or second team because their respective teams had good seasons, and that RMWC will not place someone on a team even though Stensrud and Prewitt both have better stats then Matthews and Phillips. [...]

Umm, no, I don't think Mathews and Phillips should get all conference just because their teams did well.  I saw them both play, and thought they were two of the top 15 players I saw this year.

I have a feeling the ODAC will agree with me on this one when the All-ODAC honors are released.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mom#15 on February 22, 2006, 08:27:32 PM
Congratulations to Coach Dunmyer for Coach of the Year.  VWC has come a long way in 3 short years.  All the girls have played hard and it shows.

Congratulations to Heather Phillips of VWC for being named on the First Team. 

Good luck to all the teams at ODAC. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 22, 2006, 08:39:52 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 22, 2006, 07:24:05 PM


If I am right, I will look like a genious and am almost certain guaranteed some karma ;)

However, if I am wrong I will look like the board idiot and might just go into the negatives on my karm :-\

A "genious" with no " karm" !!! Now that would be very bad . ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 22, 2006, 08:51:29 PM
Silva 3rd straight year as POY and 4th straight year as first team all conference ( since freshman, that must be an ODAC record ).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsid on February 22, 2006, 08:57:55 PM
Here is the All-ODAC team released Wednesday.

First-Team
Player    Position    Team
Erin Hanson   F   Roanoke
Katy Herr   G   Bridgewater
Marsha Kinder   G   Bridgewater
Jennifer King   G   Guilford
Megan Silva   G   Randolph-Macon

Second-Team
Player    Position    Team
Jessica Hunsinger   F   Washington and Lee
Michelle Orton   F   Randolph-Macon
Heather Phillips   F   Virginia Wesleyan
Amanda Renalds   F   Eastern Mennonite
Megan Stensrud   F   Randolph-Macon Woman's

Honorable Mention
Player    Position    Team
Lauren Habel   G   Emory and Henry
Stephanie Mathews   F   Eastern Mennonite
Salem Shaffer   G   Randolph-Macon
Caroline Wesley   F   Lynchburg
Coby Wilmer    G   Hollins


Player-of-the-Year
Megan Silva – Randolph-Macon

Coach-of-the-Year
Stephany Dunmyer – Virginia Wesleyan

Freshman-of-the-Year
Kristine Ellis- Guilford

Scholar Athlete-of-the-Year
Marsha Kinder -Bridgewater


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 22, 2006, 09:03:17 PM
Way to go BC! Placing two players on first team, Kinder and Herr, that is awesome! Once again ranked in the south region at #6 after the latest rankings came out. Also, Kinder is honored as scholar-athlete of the year! Both Herr and Kinder are very deserving of this recognition.

Congratulations to both Reynolds and Matthews from EMU for making second team and honorable mention respectively.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 22, 2006, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: Mom#15 on February 22, 2006, 08:27:32 PM
Congratulations to Coach Dunmyer for Coach of the Year. VWC has come a long way in 3 short years. All the girls have played hard and it shows.

Congratulations to Heather Phillips of VWC for being named on the First Team.

Good luck to all the teams at ODAC.

Heather Phillips was named to the second team, which is still a great honor! Also, congratulations to Coach Dunmyer! What a great job she has done!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 22, 2006, 09:28:21 PM
End of the season. 24 hours and half you guys will be gone home. :o :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 23, 2006, 12:37:53 AM
Well, here is my report card for picking All-ODAC honors;

Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 13, 2006, 11:57:51 AM
So here would be my voting for All-ODAC honors:

1st Team (actual)
Megan Silva, R-MC (1st team)
Katy Herr, BC (1st team)
Jessica Hunsinger, W&L (2nd team)
Stephanie Mathews, EMU (hon. men.)
Marsha Kinder, BC (1st team)

2nd Team (actual)
Jennifer King, GC (1st team)
Amanda Renalds, EMU (2nd team)
Michelle Orton, R-MC (2nd team)
Heather Phillips, VWC (2nd team)
Salem Shaffer, R-MC (hon. men.)

Honorable Mention (actual)
Caroline Wesley, LC (hon. men.)
Erin Hanson, RC (1st team)

The three girls from R-MWC all have had decent years (Stensrud (2nd team), Prewitt and Rechnitzer), but there is no way statistically to differentiate them.  I'm probably safe in assuming two of the three will earn HM.  And finally, it's hard for me to "respect" someone's stats when it's a product of "the system."  Even though they just jack up threes, I can see the ODAC honoring at least one Wasp, so I'll go with Lauren Habel (hon. men.) (at least she shoots a decent percent from there; 33%).

Player of the Year: Megan Silva, Randolph-Macon (correct)
Coach of the Year: Stephany Dunmyer, Virginia Wesleyan (correct)
Freshman of the Year: Kristine Ellis, Guilford (correct)
Scholar-Athlete of the Year: Marsha Kinder, Bridgewater (correct)

I did alright.  All 14 players that I named to either 1st, 2nd or HM earned all conference, with Coby Wilmer being the only one I didn't pick.  I picked all four post-season awards correctly (that wasn't that hard though).

I'm most surprised by Hanson earning 1st team and Mathews only getting honorable mention.  I guess the coaches and SIDs put emphasis on shooting a lot (which Mathews clearly doesn't).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 23, 2006, 12:49:01 AM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 22, 2006, 09:03:17 PM
Way to go BC! Placing two players on first team, Kinder and Herr, that is awesome!

I second that congratulations!  They were both very deserving.  Amazing that both of them put up the numbers they did with such a balanced Eagles squad.

Should be a fun tournament!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 23, 2006, 01:21:51 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 22, 2006, 09:28:21 PM
End of the season. 24 hours and half you guys will be gone home. :o :o

Thanks GAVA - you can always be counted on for a "classy" comment...you make your team look bad...as usual.

Congrats to Coach Dunmyer for giving her all and leading a bunch of frosh, sophomores, and juniors to a great season!  Congrats to Silva and to every woman on all the teams this year.  What a great year - can't wait for this week!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 06:57:44 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 23, 2006, 01:21:51 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 22, 2006, 09:28:21 PM
End of the season. 24 hours and half you guys will be gone home. :o :o

Thanks GAVA - you can always be counted on for a "classy" comment...you make your team look bad...as usual.


Getting a little nervous marlin as your team gasps its last trash talking breaths?
You are one class act yourself marlin. Will be glad to see you and your third place team get on the bus back to the beach.
Noticed you never commented on your starter's kicking incident, or revise your " doubt it happened" stance. ;)

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 07:27:37 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 05:42:20 PM
If Dunmyer ever thought they were acting at all unsportsman like, they would be yanked and benched indefinitely.  Man, I guess people really will say anything to bash teams rising to the top - especially "non valley" schools...

Does this mean your "kicking starter" won't be playing in the tourney? :o  oh...didn't think so . ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2006, 09:18:06 AM
A little more than 3 hours until tipoff in Salem! Good luck Yellow Jackets  ;D Congrats to Megan for POY yet again... and of course Michelle and Salem on their awards as well. Let's go Jackets!  8)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jimmy Mad on February 23, 2006, 09:41:40 AM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 23, 2006, 12:37:53 AM
I'm most surprised by Hanson earning 1st team and Mathews only getting honorable mention.  I guess the coaches and SIDs put emphasis on shooting a lot (which Mathews clearly doesn't).

Point of clarification, SIDs do not vote on any of the awards except Scholar-Athlete.  The rest are solely decided by the coaches.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 23, 2006, 01:21:51 AM
...you make your team look bad...as usual.

Congrats to Coach Dunmyer for giving her all and leading a bunch of frosh, sophomores, and juniors to a great season! 

;D ;D ;D lol...to mention marlins and classy in same sentence....

What would you say the marlin's team players crowning moment was this season?

  a) bashing RMC on this board?
  b) refusing to help up opponents they knocked down? 
  c) kicking an opponent laying on the ground?

Too bad ODAC doesn't have a poor sportsmanship first team. VWC might have made a clean sweep. ;D

  Know your choking on Siva's records for 3rd time POY and 4th time first team, especially since you didn't place anybody.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 23, 2006, 11:00:56 AM
You're right...we all hate R-MC, we all hate Silva...

Make you feel better?  Like feeling like the world's against you?  Keep talking about how nobody else deserves to win the tourney, how everyone is going home...

I'm just saying let's congratulate all the teams and hope for some good games.  Leave your ego at the door.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 23, 2006, 11:06:43 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 06:57:44 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 23, 2006, 01:21:51 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 22, 2006, 09:28:21 PM
End of the season. 24 hours and half you guys will be gone home. :o :o

Thanks GAVA - you can always be counted on for a "classy" comment...you make your team look bad...as usual.


Getting a little nervous marlin as your team gasps its last trash talking breaths?
You are one class act yourself marlin. Will be glad to see you and your third place team get on the bus back to the beach.
Noticed you never commented on your starter's kicking incident, or revise your " doubt it happened" stance. ;)




Since you wanted a comment - The "kicking starter" was punished, although she still contends that she was tangled up and didn't mean to "kick" the other player.  And she's a good kid.  But of course NO ONE has EVER gotten tangled up on the floor and gotten into a scuffle, so VWC is just soooo unsportsmanlike.  Some people will look for anything they can say to bring down an up-and-coming team.  I understand, GAVA. 8)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2006, 11:09:38 AM
Is anyone going to be providing in-game updates for the tourney? I'm all the way up here in New York VERY far away from Salem, with no way of listening to the game and no way of knowing what's going on other than *hopefully* some phone calls from R-MC fans at the Civic Center.  :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill on February 23, 2006, 11:19:56 AM
GAVA,
Once again I ask, what IS your purpose in this room?  You very seldom bring anything constructive to this site.  You obviously have some bitter resentment of VIrginia Wesleyan, which is a problem for YOU to work out on your own.  Seek anger management help.

No one brings up the "kicking" incident because it is over and has been dealt with.  It doesn't excuse what happened, but it also doesn't mean that particular player or team is the only team in the ODAC to react during competition.  There seems to be a lot of "selective seeing" that goes one.  People saw the VWC player kick, but failed to see the kick by the other team that preceded it earlier or the very blatant shove by the other team that nearly knocked a VWC player through the bench.  Why didn't anyone bring that up?

The only unsportsmanship award given out this year would probably go to you GAVA, for continually attempting to degrade a young team and coach that is once again becoming a force in the ODAC.  And try to let this sink in, only ONE player, ONE GAVA, ever participated in this site.  And that might have been for one post.  You on the other hand, seem to be here everyday trying to put down VWC any possible way you can.

Relax, go to the tournament, support your team, and try not to be the bitter fan that you have become.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 23, 2006, 11:22:25 AM
Quote from: Jimmy Mad on February 23, 2006, 09:41:40 AM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 23, 2006, 12:37:53 AM
I'm most surprised by Hanson earning 1st team and Mathews only getting honorable mention.  I guess the coaches and SIDs put emphasis on shooting a lot (which Mathews clearly doesn't).

Point of clarification, SIDs do not vote on any of the awards except Scholar-Athlete.  The rest are solely decided by the coaches.

Thanks.  Nice choice w/ Kinder! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 23, 2006, 12:43:41 PM
jmill

I agree with you, the kicking incident is over with, hopefully it has been dealt with appropiately, and conversation about it should be old news. I think VWC is very lucky that Coach Willi decided against sending the video tape into the ODAC commissioner, because it showed a blatant kick by a VWC player. If she got tangled up that is fine and understandable, but that was not the case. I not only saw it first hand, I saw it later on tape. However, I did not see a BC player kick or shove purposefully a VWC player. I think if that was the case, that there would be a little more noise on this board from you Marlin fans. There were several posts about the kicking incident by VWC, only you have brought it up against BC. Suck it up, a player from your team made a mistake, I am sure she is sorry for it, it is over. Quit making up things to try and make this incident seem a little less classless by your Marlins. You sound like a little kid.....

"well....she shoved me and kicked me...so I kicked her...why isn't anyone getting made at her" :'(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 23, 2006, 01:05:29 PM
I agree with you valley, I was there, I saw a blatant, and I mean blatant kick by a VWC player. I did not see any blatant and puposeful plays by BC. There is a difference in playing hard, aggressive, and physical, compared to playing dirty. A lot of teams in this league play very physical. There have been two instances I have seen where there were some really hard intentional fouls called. Some of the fans for those two teams were upset because they argued, "they're just playing hard!!!" Those fans have a point, the players were probably just playing hard. However, what I saw at VWC was a very classless, blatant, and dirty play. There was absolutely no need for it, and she was absolutely not tangled up. I guess Marcus Vick was also tangled up, or maybe he tripped over that guy's ankle?

Jmill, I also agree with you. It is over, it has been over and dealt with. Lets forget about it because it is the most exciting time of the year...tournament time!

Good luck to all the teams!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill on February 23, 2006, 01:22:08 PM
Fairmont, Valley,
This is my last post about this.  Just as the both of you saw the kick, I was also at that game and saw the shove.  Just as blatant as the kick you describe, so was the shove.  It happened, despite the fact that the two of you didn't see it for whatever reason.  And Valley, this was no attempt at a "she shoved me, she kicked me so..."  explanation.  Just accept the fact that your players, as well as others on other teams, do the same thing.

Good luck to your teams in the tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mom#15 on February 23, 2006, 02:37:58 PM
I am trying to listen to the semifinal games at odaconline.com but can't locate where to listen/watch.  Can anybody help me?

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2006, 02:41:52 PM
I haven't been able to find any links either... so I don't know if they are broadcasting it over the internet or not. Does anyone know the results of the R-MC/W&L game? ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Mom#15 on February 23, 2006, 02:45:32 PM
I just spoke with Joe from VWC's and he said that RMC won today but that they had a run for the money.  He also said that unless the one of the school's playing had radio coverage we won't hear/see anything until at least tomorrow....bummer....ODAC should provide coverage today too.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 23, 2006, 02:48:32 PM
How close is M. Silva to breaking Fletcher Johnson's scoring record?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 23, 2006, 02:51:55 PM
Yeah that really bummed me out today, I was all set to listen to the games, but then I re-read the announcement and it says they will only be broadcasting the semi-finals and the championship.  I think that is bs, those of us that just graduated and are in grad school ( ;) RMC30) or have jobs can't be there but I would have definetly listened! I guess for tommorrow...the score isn't posted yet and it is 2:49, GET ON IT SCHLOTTY!  love ya though!! If anybody has access to a computer please post something about the game, no detail too small!! I want to know what a "run for their money" actually means!!

TC..it's CBASS in case u didn't know!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2006, 02:59:51 PM
Yes... a friendly face on the board  :) Big sis told me that Schlotty couldn't go to the tourney - prob had to stay back and cover baseball. Hopefully she'll have something on the website soon or post up on here when she gets the info from the game. I'm gonna call some of the ladies in a little while and find out how the game went... I'll let ya know.
T.C.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 23, 2006, 03:01:41 PM
YellowJacket lawyer: According to my records she needed to score 16 pts. today to surpass Fletcher Johnson's record.  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 23, 2006, 03:05:20 PM
Ok I have to say I think that is BS that she didn't go to the tourney! I am sure she went to the men's. Baseball isn't even in "full swing" yet, are they? Any matter, I think someone should be there, especially since they are yet again the top seed. RMC should evaluate their budget and see if they can hire a "deputy Schlotty"...to do things like cover the widely popular ( ???) baseball team! TC, I am trying to go on Saturday, I know Crit and Lloyd are going!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 23, 2006, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on February 23, 2006, 03:01:41 PM
YellowJacket lawyer: According to my records she needed to score 16 pts. today to surpass Fletcher Johnson's record.  ;D

This is fantastic.  It would make her the greatest hoops player to ever come out of R-MC, wouldn't it?  I love it.

I finally got to see her play at Roanoke in December, and it was something to see.  Enjoyed every minute of it. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 23, 2006, 03:22:41 PM
There is no question about it:
** Megan Silva IS the best basketball player to play for Randolph-Macon College.** Notice I did not just say women's basketball.

She is all-time leader in points, assists, and steals for RMC Women's Basketball. Her steals are the most for either men's or women's basketball in the history of both the ODAC and Randolph-Macon. She probably surpassed Fletcher Johnson today to become the all-time leader in points for both RMC men's and women's basketball.  She needs just 22 more assists to surpass the ODAC's men all-time leading scorer. It is obvious that she has individual talent and can score or make a play when ever needed tom, but what makes her the best player is she made her whole team better, no matter which team was on the court! And on top of that she is an awesome person, I do not know anyone that could say a bad word about her...now how many people can honestly say that not one person has something to bad to say about them??

I am so happy for her, nobody else deserves it more! :'( :)
I wish I knew the score today, or something :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2006, 03:23:14 PM
Cbass: You are so lucky... I checked on airfare to see if I could get a last minute ticket... but that's $1000 I don't have... I could make the 9 hr. drive from NY, but I've got too much work to do this weekend  :'( Guess I'll just have to rely on updates from you all!

Jacketlawyer: I am totally in agreement that Silv is the greatest to ever play at R-MC... she's obviously going to break the scoring record - hopefully I'll be invited to her Hall of Fame dinner when she gets inducted  :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on February 23, 2006, 03:28:15 PM
RMC 79-71, Silva gets 22 pts.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 23, 2006, 03:30:51 PM
So it's official--she's R-M greatest hoops scorer, ever?  Congratulations to her, and the R-M ladies!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 23, 2006, 03:36:51 PM
79-71!! Wow, that's a close one for a #1-#8 seed! What was going on?
Bless you 78rmc for posting! ;D

Silva is all time leading scorer for RMC...that's a lot of players and she is number 1!!! ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 23, 2006, 03:40:59 PM
WHOO HOO FYI:
ODACONLINE.com score is posted along with Carroll's post game comments!
PS. TC, on odaconline.com go to where silv got player of the year and you can hear a sound bite from her, I have listened to it like 6 times, it makes me smile! ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2006, 03:51:06 PM
FINALLY got to see the recap and box score from the RMC game and listened to Coach LaHaye's comments... GREAT JOB JACKETS!!! Congrats to Silv on breaking the RMC scoring record  :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on February 23, 2006, 04:14:16 PM
WOW!  An 8 point game between #1 and #8!!  If that's any indication of how the tournament will be, its going to be an exciting one!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer on February 23, 2006, 03:30:51 PM
So it's official--she's R-M greatest hoops scorer, ever?  Congratulations to her, and the R-M ladies!

Congrats to RMC and Silva ! Good game ladies. Also good game from Orton (16 points ) and freshman Hiltunen ( 12 points, same HS & coach as Silva ).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 23, 2006, 04:54:34 PM
The first game is always the toughest for R-MC during tourney time.  They should get their feet on the ground and play a good game against Guilford...they need to because Ellis and King had stellar games, it looks like Ellis had one of her games where she just takes over!

#5 Guilford 71 #4 EMU 47
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac2005 on February 23, 2006, 05:43:39 PM
ATTENTION ODAC WOMEN'S BASKETBALL FANS

The league will bring you live streaming audio and video of tomorrow's semifinals and fSunday's final.  You can access the link by visiting www.odaconline.com then going to the official tournament site. 

Dr. Rick Seidel and former Lynchburg Head Coach Richie Waggoner will bring you all the action.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 23, 2006, 05:46:38 PM
I did some digging to find the 1st 2 games on radio/internet.  W&L/RMC game had a link on W&L's website through a local radio station.

I was able to listen to the The Guildford/EMU game through a link off of the Royals web-site.  

RMC missed a lot of layups in the first game.  Silva was only 2-9 1st half but turned it up a notch in the 2nd half.

Haven't found any links to listen to the last 2 games, but am still searching.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 23, 2006, 05:59:51 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 23, 2006, 05:46:38 PM
I did some digging to find the 1st 2 games on radio/internet.  W&L/RMC game had a link on W&L's website through a local radio station.

I was able to listen to the The Guildford/EMU game through a link off of the Royals web-site.  

RMC missed a lot of layups in the first game.  Silva was only 2-9 1st half but turned it up a notch in the 2nd half.

Haven't found any links to listen to the last 2 games, but am still searching.

Wow, Hoopstermom you are smart! I went to the RMC website after the odaconline site didn't have anything, but I didn't think of going to the opposing team :( That wasn't too bright on my part!

Anyway, I look forward to tommorrow's game!
GO R-MC!!!


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 23, 2006, 06:45:32 PM
Bridgewater      85
Emory & Henry  46
                                 Final
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 23, 2006, 06:48:11 PM
link to listen to BC/EH game is
http://www.bridgewater.edu/Sports/broadcasts.html
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: religion_major on February 23, 2006, 07:45:33 PM
Bridgewater beats Emory & Henry 85-46.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on February 23, 2006, 04:54:34 PM
The first game is always the toughest for R-MC during tourney time.  They should get their feet on the ground and play a good game against Guilford...they need to because Ellis and King had stellar games, it looks like Ellis had one of her games where she just takes over!

#5 Guilford 71 #4 EMU 47

Guilford hasn't matched up well against RMC this year. Both games were 82-45. W & L on the other hand only lost by 10 the first time this season against the Yellow Jackets.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 08:52:52 PM
Quote from: jmill on February 23, 2006, 11:19:56 AM
GAVA,
Once again I ask, what IS your purpose in this room?  You very seldom bring anything constructive to this site. 

  You on the other hand, seem to be here everyday trying to put down VWC any possible way you can.


You are kidding, right? I have 100 posts on this board with maybe a dozen pertaining to the marlins unsportsmanlike style. You on the other hand have posted 7 times, all to me I believe. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2006, 10:03:23 PM
Roanoke - 66, VWC - 50... looks like this is shaping up to be a VERY interesting tournament.
My picks for tomorrow are R-MC (obviously  :P) and Roanoke.
Thank goodness class is over at 12:30 and I can listen to the games!!!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: odacbballfan on January 22, 2006, 06:46:31 PM
.....right up unitil Macon gets beat in the ODAC tournament., then know somewhere i will be sitting in the stands smiling patting my own back.

:D  The party that will never get started. Bye marlins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 10:15:36 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2006, 10:03:23 PM
Roanoke - 66, VWC - 50... looks like this is shaping up to be a VERY interesting tournament.
My picks for tomorrow are R-MC (obviously  :P) and Roanoke.
Thank goodness class is over at 12:30 and I can listen to the games!!!  ;D  ;D

I will take RMC and BC. My crystal ball says that match up gets ODAC two teams in the nationals. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2006, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 10:15:36 PM
I will take RMC and BC. My crystal ball says that match up gets ODAC two teams in the nationals. ;)

Good point... having two ODAC teams would be GREAT for the reputation of the ODAC on a national scale... guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens!  8)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 23, 2006, 10:31:24 PM
Great job to the Eagles! Every single girl on the roster scored but one player. Every player got to play! Always love when that can happen! It was just a great, well-balanced game by BC. I am sorry that the Eagles will not get to see VWC again, because I am confident that they would run all over the Marlins. Guess we will have to wait until next year.

VWC lost for the same reason that has shot them in the foot all year, their horrid shooting percentage. The Marlins were only 28% from the field. They seem to play great defense, but struggle to get it done offensivley. Still, a great season for the Marlins.

My picks....BC AND RMC (rematch from 2005!!!)

I would love to see two ODAC schools represented in the NCAA tournament! If BC gets to the championship, there is a very good chance we will see two teams! When was the last time that happened?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 23, 2006, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 23, 2006, 10:31:24 PM

VWC lost for the same reason that has shot them in the foot all year, their horrid shooting percentage. The Marlins were only 28% from the field. They seem to play great defense, but struggle to get it done offensivley. Still, a great season for the Marlins.

My picks....BC AND RMC (rematch from 2005!!!)

I would love to see two ODAC schools represented in the NCAA tournament! If BC gets to the championship, there is a very good chance we will see two teams! When was the last time that happened?

Two ODAC teams will be great. Both just need to take care of business tomorrow. VWC coach deserves coach of the year.
Great job with a team with medium talent and some attitude problems. I don't know how long she will stay in D III. After asst coach jobs at Divs I & II, I think VWC will prove to be just a stop on the way to a head coach position at a higher division.   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 23, 2006, 11:44:49 PM
Good job, Quakers!  Congratulations.  Give it your best on Friday and let's see what happens!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 24, 2006, 12:52:36 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2006, 10:03:23 PM
Roanoke - 66, VWC - 50... looks like this is shaping up to be a VERY interesting tournament.
My picks for tomorrow are R-MC (obviously  :P) and Roanoke.
Thank goodness class is over at 12:30 and I can listen to the games!!!  ;D  ;D

Well BC beat Roanoke by 14 at home and 21 at Roanoke. I don't see a let down tomorrow, BC is on a mission.   

BC       75
Roanoke 56
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2006, 07:20:40 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 22, 2006, 08:28:59 AM


ODAC Quarterfinals
No. 1 RMC vs. No. 8 W&L (12:30)
No. 4. EMU vs. No. 5 GC (2:30)
No. 2 BC vs. No, 7 E&H (6:00)
No. 3. VWC vs. No 6. RC (8:00)




Very impressive Fairmont. You are the only one to nail all the games yesterday. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 24, 2006, 08:44:56 AM
FYI - With 21 points vs EMU yesterday, Jennifer King is now in 2nd place at Guilford for points in a season.  King's 585 surpassed the 584 scored by Brenda Davis in 1992-93, while Laura Haynes (1997-98) holds 1st at 679.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 24, 2006, 10:43:20 AM
Awesome season VWC - despite all the trash talk, which in my opinion shouldn't be tolerated on this board, you proved yourself on the court and played with a ton of heart!  Roanoke is a hard team to play in Roanoke - but next year should bring great things.  Congrats to Coach Dunmyer on coach of the year- totally deserved.  Like most of the people on this board who love ODAC basketball and don't feel the need to start a hate campaign against certain schools, I'm cheering on all the teams from here on out.  Great season and good luck!  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 24, 2006, 11:14:43 AM
Today's matchup between R-MC and Guilford, should be a win for R-MC!

Guilford hasn't matched up well against RMC this year. Both games were 82-45. W & L on the other hand only lost by 10 the first time this season against the Yellow Jackets.
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GAVA, I disagree with you in that, YES R-MC should easily beat Guilford, but ODAC tournament time is different that game time.  Some players that haven't done anything all season can come to play, and players that have played well can shut down! Now that said, I think as long as Silva and Orton get their double digits, and R-MC's stellar defense (Kristen Morgan) makes sure that no other player besides King (she is going to get her points) and Ellis get double digits, they will get the "W."!!

Also, RMCALUM30 picked Roanoke over Bridgewater, because like me, we know that something happens to Roanoke when they enter the Salem Civic Center. Bridgewater might me "on a mission" but Roanoke turns it up a notch during tourney time, might have something to do with every single student from Roanoke being in the Civic Center, and the rest of the teams having an average of 10 fans! :-\

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 24, 2006, 11:19:17 AM
Silva's number ought to be retired.  I don't think R-M has ever done that before, but they should consider it.

Strike that.  They shouldn't consider it-they should just do it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 24, 2006, 11:37:30 AM
Hey Guilford, don't let the RMC folks convince you they've won before you even step on the court!  They're good, but they're not invincible.  That's why we actually play the games.  Otherwise, why bother?  :)  Go Quakers!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac2005 on February 24, 2006, 12:02:17 PM
Here is the link for the tournament web site that you can access the webcasting for today's games.

http://www.odaconline.com/index_04womens.html
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 24, 2006, 12:43:50 PM
About the Bridgewater vs. Roanoke game........

Since Katy Herr, Shannon Scales, Amy Childs, and Jessica Young came to BC for their freshmen year three years ago, they have been 7-0 against Roanoke.

Bridgewater beat Roanoke by 14 at home, and 21 in front of that impressive home crowd.

Bridgewater does bring a decent crowd, although I must admit, nobody brings a crowd to the civic center like Roanoke.

I really think that after BC played that horrid game against VWC on February 11th, they have turned it up a notch. Those four girls I mentioned earlier are 4-2 for their career in tournament time. I think it is BC time today!!!

BC 80
RC 66

RMC 71
GC   62
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2006, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on February 24, 2006, 11:14:43 AM
Today's matchup between R-MC and Guilford, should be a win for R-MC!

Guilford hasn't matched up well against RMC this year. Both games were 82-45. W & L on the other hand only lost by 10 the first time this season against the Yellow Jackets.
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" Today's matchup between R-MC and Guilford, should be a win for R-MC !"
is not a quote from me.  To quote someone tab the quote button ( of course I guess you could still edit and add to it ).

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2006, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer on February 24, 2006, 11:19:17 AM
Silva's number ought to be retired.  I don't think R-M has ever done that before, but they should consider it.

Strike that.  They shouldn't consider it-they should just do it.

I totally agree 100%... but (and don't get me wrong, I love my alma mater) trying to get anything done through the "red tape" at R-MC is pretty much impossible unless someone in the administration is motivated enough to do it. Maybe under the new president they'll actually consider it and MAYBE get it done.  ::)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2006, 12:55:30 PM
5 minutes until tipoff!!! Listening/Watching on the internet... Let's go R-MC!!!!  ;D :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2006, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 24, 2006, 10:43:20 AM
Awesome season VWC - despite all the trash talk, which in my opinion shouldn't be tolerated on this board, you proved yourself on the court and played with a ton of heart!  Roanoke is a hard team to play in Roanoke - but next year should bring great things.  Congrats to Coach Dunmyer on coach of the year- totally deserved.  Like most of the people on this board who love ODAC basketball and don't feel the need to start a hate campaign against certain schools, I'm cheering on all the teams from here on out.  Great season and good luck!  ;D
You know oldschool the marlin fans did as much trash talking as any team on the board.
Just review all the posts over the last two months. In fact it was their posts that usually got things rolling. You really need to remove the splinter from your own eye first. I love ODAC, I think your coach is great, I think your players were poor sports, and I think your fans expectations were way overblown.
I am sure VWC will be a contender next year, but I don't think they will win the conference.  Appreciate what Silva is doing for ODAC's visibility and have a good offseason.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 24, 2006, 01:07:13 PM
I would like to thank Stephanie Mathews and Amanda Renalds for their great careers at EMU.  These two fine women along with several others have really turned EMU womens basketball into a contender from the doormat it used to be 5 years ago.  These ladies have tied for the most wins in a four year span and made it to the sweet 16 in the NCAA's.  They really have been special to watch.

Thanks for your contribution!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 24, 2006, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2006, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer on February 24, 2006, 11:19:17 AM
Silva's number ought to be retired.  I don't think R-M has ever done that before, but they should consider it.

Strike that.  They shouldn't consider it-they should just do it.

I totally agree 100%... but (and don't get me wrong, I love my alma mater) trying to get anything done through the "red tape" at R-MC is pretty much impossible unless someone in the administration is motivated enough to do it. Maybe under the new president they'll actually consider it and MAYBE get it done.  ::)

Well, I don't know the mechanics of it all.  Seems to me they should already have thought of it.  I love my alma mater, too, but if you need someone to raise hell over it, I'm your man.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2006, 01:46:37 PM
Halftime Score:
R-MC, 41
Guilford, 28

Macon doing a GREAT job converting layups and rebounding. The entire team is hitting the boards and working together very well (not surprised about that! :)). Silva started out a little slow but it now hitting her shots... Morgan with great defense as usual.
R-MC needs to contain Guilford from the outside, because they've been doing a great job at hitting threes. Ellis and King playing very strong and finishing their shots... but King has 3 fouls (although she got her third with 10 minutes to go in the half and has been able to avoid the 4th)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 24, 2006, 01:48:01 PM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer on February 24, 2006, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2006, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer on February 24, 2006, 11:19:17 AM
Silva's number ought to be retired.  I don't think R-M has ever done that before, but they should consider it.

Strike that.  They shouldn't consider it-they should just do it.

I totally agree 100%... but (and don't get me wrong, I love my alma mater) trying to get anything done through the "red tape" at R-MC is pretty much impossible unless someone in the administration is motivated enough to do it. Maybe under the new president they'll actually consider it and MAYBE get it done.  ::)

Well, I don't know the mechanics of it all. Seems to me they should already have thought of it. I love my alma mater, too, but if you need someone to raise hell over it, I'm your man.


Jacketlawyer: Don't say something to us alumni ballas (me and RMCalum30 mainly) that you aren't prepared to do! I am in Richmond, and I work for a law firm as well, and I'm about to get one of our corporate attorneys here to get on the "Get Silva's jersey retired" campaign! I wonder what you even do to attempt such a feat?

ANYWAY....HOW AWESOME IS THAT YOU CAN WATCH THE GAME!!
Thank you to whoever was responsible for that! I am at work (with my door shut obviously) getting to watch my favorite ladies play the game I love!

At Halftime my prediction: RMC 85 GUILFORD 67

Silva is dominating, Orton is dominating, King has 3 fouls= BIG RMC WIN!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2006, 01:52:48 PM
Yep... we definitely will hold ya to that Jacketlawyer  :) And I am pumped as well about being able to watch the ladies from 8 hours away! Good to see Coach Willi during the interview at halftime... she's a great coach and a great person.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 24, 2006, 01:53:16 PM
OneSealTeam:

I just emailed the Assistant AD, with whom I was fraternity brothers with at R-M.  So I've fired a shot today already.  I'm no longer a corporate attorney, but we litigators can get the job done as well. ;D

Let me know what else I can do.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2006, 02:35:58 PM
Cbass nice prediction... final score... RMC 85, Guilford 63
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2006, 02:42:43 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2006, 02:35:58 PM
Cbass nice prediction... final score... RMC 85, Guilford 63

Good game ladies. Game not as close as score. 10 players scoring. GC just too small to match up. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 24, 2006, 02:49:41 PM
My vote for best play of the game came in the first half with about 9 minutes left to play: Salem Shaffer brought the ball upcourt and gave a nice lob pass to Silva on the right block, who touch passed to Michelle Orton wide open on the left block, and Orton layed it in! That was perfection!
TC...is this not the best thing ever that we can watch the game?? Carroll, Senske, and Silv are suppose to be getting interviewed! If you have Silv's mom's cell phone, I would call her cause her grill is all up on the camera, when it is in "break" HAHAHAHA ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2006, 02:57:53 PM
Ha yea I know Sarah and I were talking about that on the phone during the 2nd half... I really liked her RMC foam finger that made it in to a few shots  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 24, 2006, 03:50:08 PM
What did RMCALUM30 and I say....Roanoke comes to play at the tournament!! They are leading at halftime, I am not calling it a win yet, so calm down...but you got to admit you didn't expect to this kind of play from Roanoke! ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 24, 2006, 04:35:12 PM
But Bridgewater wins!! :o :o

So tommorrow at 2 pm R-MC and Bridgewater! :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 24, 2006, 04:37:37 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on February 24, 2006, 03:50:08 PM
What did RMCALUM30 and I say....Roanoke comes to play at the tournament!! They are leading at halftime, I am not calling it a win yet, so calm down...but you got to admit you didn't expect to this kind of play from Roanoke! ???

Good call!                                                                 BC 69
                                                                                RC  54      Final

On to the rubber match with RMC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 24, 2006, 05:15:18 PM
FYI:
According to my calculations, Megan Silva needs 44 points to be the all-time leading scorer in ODAC Women's Basketball History! Either a VERY BIG game against Bridgewater tommorrow, or even better first round of NCAAs at CRENSHAW!!! TC...you got to look at coming down for something...all the old schoolers can chip in!!!  ;D This is history and WE KNOW HER!!!  8)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2006, 05:29:22 PM
Quote from: Llamaguy on February 24, 2006, 04:37:37 PM


On to the rubber match with RMC!

2 ODAC teams to the national tournament !!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2006, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 24, 2006, 12:43:50 PM

BC 80
RC 66

RMC 71
GC   62


I am taking you to the track next time. ;D You are 6-0 for the tourney but sure hope you are wrong tomorrow. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 24, 2006, 11:39:57 PM
I am 6-0 for the tournament and would love to go 7-0!!! I just really hope that it is a good game, there have been several blowouts thus far in the tournament.

I have a correction to make....

I said that Katy Herr, Jessica Young, Amy Childs, and Shannon Scales were 7-0 all-time against Roanoke since they came to BC. However, after I looked it up, I discovered I was wrong. They were 8-0, and now, after today's win, are 9-0. This is the third year in a row that BC has ended Roanoke's season. Way to go BC!

Well....it all comes down to this.....a rematch of last year..RMC v BC....without a doubt the top two teams in the ODAC..and lets hope that no matter the outcome of tomorrow we have two ODAC teams that will be represented in the NCAAs!!!


LETS GO EAGLES!!!

Title: Any RMC vs BC updates anyone?
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 25, 2006, 02:38:50 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 25, 2006, 02:49:46 PM
RMC - 42, Bridgewater - 30
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 25, 2006, 02:50:41 PM
**that's the halftime score**
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 25, 2006, 02:52:33 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on February 25, 2006, 03:13:16 PM
52-40 RMC  - 15 minutes left to go
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on February 25, 2006, 03:20:34 PM
57-47 RMC 11 minutes left
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 25, 2006, 03:21:50 PM
RMC came to play today! I would expect no less from the 8th place team in the county. Now I just hope BC can make it respectable (less than a 10 pt game) and get an atlarge. Hardin-Simmons lost today which may help. Guess we will see.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: religion_major on February 25, 2006, 03:26:38 PM
RMC 61
BC 47
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: religion_major on February 25, 2006, 03:33:34 PM
RMC 65
BC 54

5 min. left in the game
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 25, 2006, 03:38:57 PM
71-58 RMC, 2 1/2 min remaining
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 25, 2006, 03:49:26 PM
RMC WINS IT, 79-65!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o ;D :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: religion_major on February 25, 2006, 03:51:14 PM
RMC 79
BC 65

Congrats to the Randolph Macon Yellow Jackets on their 2006 ODAC women's basketball championship.  Now all that's left to see is if Bridgewater can get into the tourny with a pool c bid.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 25, 2006, 03:52:26 PM
All tournament team:
BC - Amy Childs
RMC - Salem Shaffer
BC - Katie Herr
RMC - Michelle Orton

Tournament MVP... no surprise... MEGAN SILVA (I believe they said she had 34 points today)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 03:59:26 PM
Way to go RMC !!!  :) :) 
Silva had a monster game and showed why she is the best to  have ever played in ODAC.

ODAC records for career scoring, assists, steals, Player of Year  ( 3)  , and First Team All Conference  ( 4, every year ).

34 points today....thank you Megan !! ;D

Yellow jackets jumped out to 6-0 and never looked back, led wire to wire. Final score 79-65.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 25, 2006, 05:05:57 PM
  Marymount win over Mary Washington hurts any at large chance that BC had.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 25, 2006, 05:31:30 PM
Agreed! Congrats to RMC and Silva. BC didn't make it any easier getting in. Will just have to wait and see. If they don't get in it is VWC loss that kept them out.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 25, 2006, 05:34:25 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 03:59:26 PM
Way to go RMC !!!  :) :) 
Silva had a monster game and showed why she is the best to  have ever played in ODAC.

ODAC records for career scoring, assists, steals, Player of Year  ( 3)  , and First Team All Conference  ( 4, every year ).

34 points today....thank you Megan !! ;D

Yellow jackets jumped out to 6-0 and never looked back, led wire to wire. Final score 79-65.

And the ultimate compliment came from the BC play-by-play annoucers as they said Silva should get a shot at trying out for the WNBA, and they were serious!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 25, 2006, 05:36:47 PM
Quote from: Llamaguy on February 25, 2006, 05:34:25 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 03:59:26 PM
Way to go RMC !!!  :) :) 
Silva had a monster game and showed why she is the best to  have ever played in ODAC.

ODAC records for career scoring, assists, steals, Player of Year  ( 3)  , and First Team All Conference  ( 4, every year ).

34 points today....thank you Megan !! ;D

Yellow jackets jumped out to 6-0 and never looked back, led wire to wire. Final score 79-65.

And the ultimate compliment came from the BC play-by-play annoucers as they said Silva should get a shot at trying out for the WNBA, and they were serious!

She totally ought to try out.  I think she could've played DI somewhere, but we were lucky (no, blessed) that she came to R-M.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 25, 2006, 05:37:55 PM
Quote from: Llamaguy on February 25, 2006, 05:34:25 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 03:59:26 PM
Way to go RMC !!!  :) :) 
Silva had a monster game and showed why she is the best to  have ever played in ODAC.

ODAC records for career scoring, assists, steals, Player of Year  ( 3)  , and First Team All Conference  ( 4, every year ).

34 points today....thank you Megan !! ;D

Yellow jackets jumped out to 6-0 and never looked back, led wire to wire. Final score 79-65.

And the ultimate compliment came from the BC play-by-play annoucers as they said Silva should get a shot at trying out for the WNBA, and they were serious!

more people would pay attention to her at the D3 level than they would in the wnba.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: Llamaguy on February 25, 2006, 05:34:25 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 03:59:26 PM
Way to go RMC !!!  :) :) 
Silva had a monster game and showed why she is the best to  have ever played in ODAC.

ODAC records for career scoring, assists, steals, Player of Year  ( 3)  , and First Team All Conference  ( 4, every year ).

34 points today....thank you Megan !! ;D

Yellow jackets jumped out to 6-0 and never looked back, led wire to wire. Final score 79-65.

And the ultimate compliment came from the BC play-by-play annoucers as they said Silva should get a shot at trying out for the WNBA, and they were serious!

I don't think a D-III player has made the WNBA yet, have they? I am sure she could.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 05:41:42 PM
How did I lose karma today by posting the score? ???
Oh well...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 05:46:47 PM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer link=topic=1077.msg494211#msg494211   I think she could've played DI somewhere, but we were lucky (no, blessed) that she came to R-M.
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Sure she could have. The next point guard behind her out of Hermitage High is playing DI. And of course after that one came Hiltunen who will someday take Silva's place as floor general.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: > on February 25, 2006, 05:37:55 PM

more people would pay attention to her at the D3 level than they would in the wnba.

Not sure I understand what you mean? Would she be as dominating in the WNBA? Of course not.
Would she be more widely known if she was a WNBA player playing in nationally televised games? Of course.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 25, 2006, 05:58:45 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: > on February 25, 2006, 05:37:55 PM

more people would pay attention to her at the D3 level than they would in the wnba.

Not sure I understand what you mean? Would she be as dominating in the WNBA? Of course not.
Would she be more widely known if she was a WNBA player playing in nationally televised games? Of course.

The point of the post is that no one cares about the WNBA and that its a second rate league at best.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 06:05:18 PM
Quote from: > on February 25, 2006, 05:58:45 PM

The point of the post is that no one cares about the WNBA and that its a second rate league at best.

Second rate to what? It is the only option for a woman to make a living playing basketball. The best college graduates go every year. I watch the WNBA as do many other fans of women's basketball. ( Of course I must admit I also watch college, HS, middle school....lol ;D)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 25, 2006, 06:51:58 PM
Fantastic Job today RMC Yellow Jackets! Silva is just a measily 10 points away from the ODAC scoring record! (According to my calculations)! Thanks for making it another exciting year in women's basketball in the ODAC!

So, since there are so many brilliant d3 basketball people on this board...When do the NCAA's post the bracket? With their record will they most likely get to host the game at Crenshaw? I can't remember all the logistics of last year??

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 25, 2006, 06:54:53 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 06:05:18 PM
Quote from: > on February 25, 2006, 05:58:45 PM

The point of the post is that no one cares about the WNBA and that its a second rate league at best.

Second rate to what? It is the only option for a woman to make a living playing basketball. The best college graduates go every year. I watch the WNBA as do many other fans of women's basketball. ( Of course I must admit I also watch college, HS, middle school....lol ;D)

second rate to other professional leagues and even college!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 25, 2006, 07:44:45 PM
Great job to BC and to RMC!!! Definitely the best two teams in the ODAC! Two teams who would do a great job representing the ODAC on a national level (lets hope!?!). For those of you who are chomping at the bit to find anything out about the NCAA tournament, nothing will be known until tomorrow evening about Bridgewater's chances. Hopefully Coach Willi and the Eagles will know something by around 6:00 pm.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 25, 2006, 08:02:45 PM
Just got home from the game!  RMC played shut down defense against the Eagles.  The refs were pretty tough on RMC in the 1st half though -  BC was in double bonus with 11 minutes to play still in the 1st half because they were calling the game so close.

They shut down Marsh Kinder from outside.  She killed Roanoke in the 2nd half of their game with 3's.  She didn't make one against RMC today.

(BTW, RMC' defense held King to 9 points in the semi final game yesterday.)

BC is a tough, very good team.  Katy Herr was everywhere.  I hope they get a bid to the tourney.  They knock out some teams and make the ODAC look good.

Can't wait to watch Silva and the Jackets play again.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2006, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 25, 2006, 07:44:45 PM
Great job to BC and to RMC!!! Definitely the best two teams in the ODAC! Two teams who would do a great job representing the ODAC on a national level (lets hope!?!). For those of you who are chomping at the bit to find anything out about the NCAA tournament, nothing will be known until tomorrow evening about Bridgewater's chances. Hopefully Coach Willi and the Eagles will know something by around 6:00 pm.



Best of luck to the Eagles ! They certainly deserve a bid. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on February 25, 2006, 09:20:24 PM
Just wanted to post some comments on an Outstanding tournament:

First off congratulations to RMC for winning and Silva was indeed very impressive.

BC- Very good team and I hope they get in but the lose to VWC and Ogelthorpe will hurt their chances. Katy Herr was outstanding and a pleasure to watch play. She gave it all she had today.

Roanoke- They will be very tough next year. They played a great tournament and gave BC all that they wanted. They only lose two guards and Hanson will be back. And they always play well in the Civic Center.

Last but not least. As a fan of the game many Kudos go out to some of the fine seniors who played their final games this week. They have been a joy to watch play over the last 4 years and made the ODAC a league that is respected.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 04:12:48 AM
Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on February 22, 2006, 07:03:06 PM
Nice to see Bridgewater No. 6 in the latest NCAA Regional rankings at 20-5 in the region.

Question for Pat;

Clearly I want and think the Eagles could win the ODAC tournament, but let's say they lose in the final, finishing 22-6.  What are their chances of making the tournament field?

I don't frequent every board every day, sorry.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 26, 2006, 06:52:56 PM
Pat says Bridgewater is in (fairly handily). 

See the front page of the projections.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 26, 2006, 10:04:55 PM
BRIDGEWATER IS DANCING!!!!!

Two ODAC teams in the NCAAs!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 26, 2006, 10:14:09 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 26, 2006, 10:04:55 PM
BRIDGEWATER IS DANCING!!!!!

Two ODAC teams in the NCAAs!!!!!

WOOHOO!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 26, 2006, 10:42:55 PM
Ok Kid,

When does the train leave for Macon or Mary Washington?  ;D ;D ;D

Im going!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 26, 2006, 11:07:22 PM
Congrats BC.  ;D

2 ODAC teams in. That is super !!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 27, 2006, 08:05:50 AM
Congratulations to RMC and BC.  Hope you go far!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on February 27, 2006, 10:28:07 AM
Looks like Bates has a girl 6'1 on the inside that domintates....anyone know anything about them other than just stats?  Looks like they only have 2 seniors and alot of juniors....so much like BC.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 27, 2006, 11:31:01 AM
Congrats to both R-MC and BC on making it to NCAA play! I don't know much about Hood and Bates, and I know records don't really tell all, but I would go on the assumption that both teams will end up in the 2nd round on the 4th.  ;D

And looking at the rest of both brackets, I'll predict R-MC heading to at least the Elite Eight (my prediction is they'll have a tough fight against McMurry in that game, and then match up with either Mary Wash or Southern Maine in the Final Four)... but two tough teams (Mount Saint Mary's AND Southern Maine) stand in the way of BC's hopes of getting that far.

Not surprised that R-MC has home court advantage in the first round - I'm sure Crenshaw will be packed with students this Wednesday and Saturday, just like it was last year at this time.  8)

Safe travels for BC up here to chilly New York!  :)

Good luck to both teams, and represent the ODAC well!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 27, 2006, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 27, 2006, 11:31:01 AM
Not surprised that R-MC has home court advantage in the first round - I'm sure Crenshaw will be packed with students this Wednesday and Saturday, just like it was last year at this time.  8)

Correction... RMC will play Friday, not Wednesday  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 27, 2006, 02:19:19 PM
Like everybody else, CONGRATULATIONS BC and R-MC on making to the NCAA Tournament! It is a tremendous accomplishment.

R-MC will be hosting Hood College, and since I am a Maryland native, I do have a little bit of insight on what makes up Hood's roster.  Most of these young women are from small, 1A (the smallest population) high schools in western Maryland, not usually the best competition.  Nobody tops in height 5'10 Danielle Gallagher who was Rookie of the Year last year for the AWCC. The next best player is Rita Willis 5'9 senior, she was AWCC Player-of-the-Year last year. Both of these players respectively average around 15 points and 10 rebounds a game.  The rest of the team are definetly utility players, but nobody ever contributes significantly.  Their 3 pointer percentage is low.  The AWCC is a relatively weak conference especially compared to the ODAC, in my opinion. 

With all this said, I think that RMC is deeper, taller, stronger, and more talented than Hood College, and should easily proceed to the Second Round. ;D

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 27, 2006, 02:25:11 PM
thanks for that expert analysis c!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on February 27, 2006, 03:44:59 PM
Thanks TC! Are you going to be able to make it to any of the games?

I am JV now!! :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 27, 2006, 04:44:17 PM
Haha... me too! I'm trying to get to Friday's game, but I'll DEFINITELY be there on Saturday  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 27, 2006, 05:54:29 PM
From the Lewiston Sun Journal:

"If I were the NCAA committee, I wouldn't take us. We have eight losses," said Bates coach Jim Murphy. "If you look at how many teams have ever gotten in after losing eight games, I know it isn't many."

Very interesting............
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 27, 2006, 07:22:06 PM
Thats Maine right?? Right near when Im from.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gcalum on February 27, 2006, 08:07:33 PM
Bates, yes is in Maine. Lewiston is the town. Where are you from in Maine?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 28, 2006, 07:59:31 AM
Right down the road in Bath. Still have family there now. My aunt is the head baby doc there.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 28, 2006, 04:40:56 PM
Here's the game preview for Bridgewater's first round game against the Bates College Bobcates @ Mount Saint Mary College in Newburgh, NY (a seven hour drive for the Eagles! :o!)

http://www.bridgewater.edu/Sports/news/NCAAtourney.pdf
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 28, 2006, 09:20:16 PM
I will get to RMC Friday night to see Silva break ODAC career scoring record. I think the Yellow Jackets will take both games at home this weekend and move to the Sweet 16. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on March 01, 2006, 03:38:29 PM
Here is Pat Coleman's break-down of the tournament brackets....

http://www.d3hoops.com/springfield/06/preview.htm

Pat has Bridgewater picked to be the Cinderella Story coming out of the Atlantic Regional!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on March 03, 2006, 07:09:47 PM
BRIDGEWATER WINS!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bcsportswriter on March 03, 2006, 07:11:51 PM
BC DOWN BY 6 WITH A LITTLE OVER 2 MINUTES TO GO IN OT...BUCKET TO GET WITHIN 4....SHANNON SCALES HITS A 3 WITH 25 SECONDS TO GO TO GET BC WITHIN 1...THEN STEALS AN IN-BOUNDS PASS AND HITS ANOTHER 3 TO PUT BC UP BY 2 WITH 17 SECONDS TO GO...LAST SECOND 3 BY BATES ROLLS OFF THE RIM....BC WINS BY 2
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 03, 2006, 09:36:03 PM
Congrats to BC!!!!

RMC wins too 83-57. Silva had a triple double.  22 points, 10 assists and 14 rebounds. 

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 03, 2006, 10:37:15 PM
RMC got off to a slow start and Hood kept even for the first 10 minutes. The last 10 minutes of the half Silva
was magic, scoring and setting assists for the other girls. She just makes everyone look so good.  RMC appered to have an arsenal of weapons and rolled to a 20 point spread before halftime. The Moravian coach was sitting beside me and she was awed. They lost to Greensboro the first game but I could hear her thinking that had they won tonight , they would be going home Sunday anyway. Greensboro has a 6'4" freshman but I think Orton will outmanuver her tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:52:50 AM
Congratulations to the Lady Eagles!  Way to pick up an out-of-region playoff win!!!  Keep in going until the Final Four! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 04, 2006, 05:38:09 PM
Any updates on the game?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on March 04, 2006, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on March 04, 2006, 05:38:09 PM
Any updates on the game?

Jeremy,

BC 72
Baruch 49      GAME OVER

BC:
16-18 FT
  8-17 3pt FG (47%)
48% FG
Rebound advantage 41-21

Kinder 21pts , Childs 19pts

GREAT CALL PAT COLEMAN!!!
 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 04, 2006, 08:37:47 PM
Silva scores 25 tonight as RMC advances to Sweet 16. Breaks men's scoring record to become alltime ODAC career scorer. ODAC with 2 teams in final 16 !!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 04, 2006, 08:41:01 PM
THANKS!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 08:45:44 PM
Quote from: GAVA on March 04, 2006, 08:37:47 PM
Silva scores 25 tonight as RMC advances to Sweet 16. Breaks men's scoring record to become alltime ODAC career scorer. ODAC with 2 teams in final 16 !!!

GAVA, do you know how lucky that you and the ODAC are to have your teams sent to different brackets?

The ASC had 3 teams selected.  In an ASC re-do times two, Hardin-Simmons had to knock off their 2 arch-rivals in the Texas sub-bracket to get to the Sweet 16. :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 04, 2006, 08:58:07 PM
  I guess the idea that the ODAC was a weak conference this year will not be expressed as much and when does BC move into the top 25?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 04, 2006, 09:20:03 PM
Way to go BC and RMC!!!  Jeremybozz is right, maybe the ODAC and BC will get a little more respect now.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 04, 2006, 09:56:52 PM
  I think BC and RMC playing 3 times versus each other helped both teams in the long run.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 04, 2006, 10:15:26 PM
Definitely a GREAT game tonight in Ashland... I'm pulling for homecourt advantage for the Jackets next weekend so I can make it down to VA again! Congrats to Silva on breaking the men's ODAC record tonight - seriously they need to retire her number after this year!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 05, 2006, 10:42:56 AM
Congratualtions to both RMC and BC!  Having two teams in the Sweet Sixteen should give the ODAC some positive press.  Good luck to both!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 05, 2006, 03:14:27 PM
Well I must say I do not understand how the NCAA comes up with where to play???? It cannot be based on record, ranking, or strength of schedule, so it has to be they write each school name on a piece of paper and then whoever brought the 6 pack gets to pick a piece of paper...and PRESTO, that is the school that is hosting!   :-\
RMC has a long journey head ahead of them, but no excuses...right!! They will do great with all of us back here in VA land pullin for them! ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on March 05, 2006, 07:40:25 PM
Congratulations to BC and RMC!!! Two teams from the ODAC in the Sweet 16....that is SWEET!

I just back from New York after watching the Eagles soar to two straight victories over two higher ranking teams. Bates was ranked #24 in the d3hoops.com poll and Baruch was the higher seed then BC even though they had the same record. During the game Baruch was the home team.

Everyone on the BC squad did an outstanding job! Katy Herr controlled both games as the floor general as she recorded 14 assists and just three turnovers in 83 minutes of action over the weekend. Herr also recorded a double-double on Friday night with 11 points and 11 rebounds (she was 1 assist shy of a triple-double). Herr has now recorded over 500 rebounds for her career!

Shannon Scales was definiely the hero Friday night hitting two three-pointers in a span of 10 seconds to give BC the overtime win (if you have not heard about the game you should definitely read about it on d3hoops because it was the most incredible finish I have ever seen! it was an instant classic!)

Marsha Kinder averaged 24.5 points for the weekend while Amy Childs had two solid games, including a 19 point 11 rebound performance on Saturday!

With these two wins the Eagles are now 24-6 on the season, which matches Bridgewater's all-time win total for a single season. The last and only other time the Eagles recorded 24 wins in a season is during the 1997-98 campaign when Coach Willi lead BC to a 24-5 overall record and a trip to the NCAA Sweet 16.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on March 05, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
BC will more then likely fly to Southern Maine, whom they will play Friday. If the Eagles fly then they will probably leave Wednesday. I wonder if a fan bus will make the 12 hour trip???


NCAA Division III Women's Basketball
All-Time Winningest Teams 
Team Yrs. Wins Losses Pct.

1. Elizabethtown (Pa.) 72 826 356 .698

2. Bridgewater 51 656 327 .665

3. Southern Maine 38 627 196 .760



As you can see, BC has their work cut out for them...but they can do it! Souther Maine is currently 29-1 and ranked #1 in the d3hoops.com poll. What an upset that would be if the Eagles can continue to make some noise in this tournament!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2006, 02:26:32 AM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 05, 2006, 03:14:27 PM
Well I must say I do not understand how the NCAA comes up with where to play???? It cannot be based on record, ranking, or strength of schedule, so it has to be they write each school name on a piece of paper and then whoever brought the 6 pack gets to pick a piece of paper...and PRESTO, that is the school that is hosting!   :-\
RMC has a long journey head ahead of them, but no excuses...right!! They will do great with all of us back here in VA land pullin for them! ;D

You got to play at home last year against a similar group of teams. Take turns. Be nice.

Llama: Thanks -- I assume you mean my call of Bridgewater as the Cinderella and not the call of the game, that was handled by Mark Simon and Paul Schreel.

When does BC move into the Top 25? No guarantees they will, but if they do, it will be in the next poll, which is taken after the end of the tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2006, 08:13:36 AM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 05, 2006, 03:14:27 PM
Well I must say I do not understand how the NCAA comes up with where to play???? It cannot be based on record, ranking, or strength of schedule, so it has to be they write each school name on a piece of paper and then whoever brought the 6 pack gets to pick a piece of paper...and PRESTO, that is the school that is hosting!   :-\
RMC has a long journey head ahead of them, but no excuses...right!! They will do great with all of us back here in VA land pullin for them! ;D

The women rotate sites South Region , West Region ... .  The way that women think, "be nice and share", it is perfectly logical for them to decide to do it that way.

Next year, the South Region will be paired with the Great Lakes.

After seeing the great injustice done to Miss Coll on the men's side in the name of travel and geographic proximity, I can see the merit in rotating the sites.

Miss College is 29-1, 4th highest QOWI, #1 seed in the bracket, and is being made to fly for the sectionals because it saves the NCAA a net 2 plane flights.

Please go the Men's Multi-region Board and vote on the greater injustice.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on March 06, 2006, 08:44:37 AM
R-M gets to play in Tacoma, Washington!!!!  At least they get to fly.  At Pacific Lutheran College.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on March 06, 2006, 10:53:08 AM
Congrats to BC and RMC.  Let's hope both can advance to the Final Four!!  This speaks volumes for the ODAC.  Keep going girls.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 06, 2006, 10:53:58 AM
Congrats to Bridgewater and Randolph-Macon!!!

I hope the Eagles take a "we belong" attitude into the Southern Maine game.  If they feel overwhelmed by the number one ranking and home court advantage, it won't be much of a game.  I'm confident our girls can do it!

Bridgewater will play Southern Maine at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, while Mary Washington will play Bowdoin at 5:30 p.m.

In their sectional, the Eagles have three of the top eight teams in the country [No. 1, 5, 8], with a combined record of 86-4.  Wow!

Quote from: fairmont1113 on March 05, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
I wonder if a fan bus will make the 12 hour trip???

We (Bridgewater) are currently looking into that.  I'll post something as soon as we know.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 06, 2006, 10:55:13 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on March 04, 2006, 10:15:26 PM
Definitely a GREAT game tonight in Ashland... I'm pulling for homecourt advantage for the Jackets next weekend so I can make it down to VA again! Congrats to Silva on breaking the men's ODAC record tonight - seriously they need to retire her number after this year!!!

You are right.  #11 should be retired. Holding ODAC career records for points, assists and steals for both women and men it is obvious she is the best ball player to ever come through ODAC. ODAC and D3 have been very lucky to have had such a talent the past 4 years. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on March 06, 2006, 10:56:16 AM
Hoping to see 2 teams from Virginia meet again Saturday night in Maine!  :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on March 06, 2006, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2006, 02:26:32 AM


Llama: Thanks -- I assume you mean my call of Bridgewater as the Cinderella


You got it Pat! I have to listen to my hometown boy Coach Bill.

And by the way, Cindarella is your call if I remember correctly:
D3Football  = Wesley
D3Women's Hoops = Bridgewater

Are you going to Vegas anytime soon?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 06, 2006, 02:26:10 PM
Good luck to R-MC and BC this weekend in the Sweet Sixteen!!! Save travels to all  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 06, 2006, 02:41:17 PM
Anyone know times for games yet at Pac-Lutheran?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on March 06, 2006, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 06, 2006, 02:41:17 PM
Anyone know times for games yet at Pac-Lutheran?

9:00 pm eastern time on Friday, and 10:00 eastern on Saturday.  Posted on the R-M women's b-ball site.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 06, 2006, 03:34:38 PM
An email just sent out to faculty and staff at Bridgewater:

"The following information is available for the Sweet 16 round of the NCAA Women's Basketball Tournament.  The Eagles will travel to Southern Maine University in Gorham, ME to play Southern Maine University on Friday evening.  Game time will be 7:30 p.m.  The winner of that game will advance to the next round game on Saturday at 7:00 p.m. against the winner of the Bowdoin College and the University of Mary Washington game.

A bus will be departing from Nininger Hall Thursday evening March 9th for a 3-day or 4-day trip leaving at 5:00p.m., bus loading at 4:30p.m.  The bus will be returning Saturday evening, March 11th or Sunday March 12th depending on the outcome of Friday's contest.  There is limited seating available; seating will be offered to parents only until Noon Tuesday.  After that seats will be available for fans also on a first come first served basis.  The cost of seats will be $150.00 each; $75.00 for students.  Bus reservations may be made by calling Phyllis Lambert at 515-3799 who will also be able to provide lodging information after completion of seating arrangements.

Tickets for the game will be not be on sale at the site but may be purchased from Phyllis Lambert in the Athletic Office at the price of $7.00 for adults, $5.00 for senior citizens and students."
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: yj424 on March 07, 2006, 05:28:21 PM
Will there be any broadcasting of the R-MC vs UW- Stout game Friday?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: foul_language on March 07, 2006, 10:24:41 PM
Check athletics site at www.uwstout.edu. It says something about Moose radio or something. I believe there's a link, so perhaps it will be streamed on the web. We in Wisconsin are hoping so.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
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Quote from: hoopstermom on March 01, 2006, 09:52:37 pm
I suspect, though, that Randolph-Macon will be an even greater challenge this year than last.  They're big, they'll probably get to play at home again (a true yellow-jacket nest), and they have one of the best point guards in D3 (Megan Silva).  One of my big regrets this year is not seeing the Bruins get another shot at them.  We had them on the ropes last year but let the crowd get back in the game which took us out of it.  If PLU or UPS can knock them off it won't hurt my feelings.


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RMC won't host sectionals this year. I thought I saw Pat say it rotates to the West this year, so the "hive" won't be a factor for a NWC/Texas team if RMC gets that far.  It will be a tough test for RMC for sure.  I was at the games Trinity/Fox vs RMC games last year and they were very tough for the Jackets even on their home court.  George Fox was a classy team (so were the fans), not to mention VERY tough. Sounds like PLU and UPS are in that same category.   If RMC gets knocked out, I will be rooting for PLU or UPS all the way.  Good luck.


How could you ??  I thought you were an ODAC fan??
And there you are on the ODAC board rooting for RMC.
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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on March 08, 2006, 02:36:39 PM
Go Jackets.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 08, 2006, 09:31:08 PM
Gava - I AM an RMC fan and an ODAC fan and a women's basketball fan.  I appreciate a good game and a good team and don't have problems stating so.   

I'm making the trip to Tacoma to root for the Yellow Jackets (on my on time and nickel)....ARE YOU!!!

As much as I would have liked to seen RMC host the sectionals, it seemed clear from multiple posts from many with more knowledge of the sectional selection process than I that it was not a likely possibilty.  Any team playing on someone else's home court, 3000 miles away from their own home will be more challenged than if they are playing on their home court.  I was only stating the obvious.

I was impressed with George Fox when they played at Macon last year and it was a tough game for Macon even with their home crowd.  Every game is tough at this level.

I'm not a betting person really, I just like to root for teams I like and that definitely is RMC and any other ODAC team and maybe even PLU except if they are playing RMC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 08, 2006, 09:44:44 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 08, 2006, 09:31:08 PM
Gava - I AM an RMC fan and an ODAC fan and a women's basketball fan.  I appreciate a good game and a good team and don't have problems stating so.   

I'm making the trip to Tacoma to root for the Yellow Jackets (on my on time and nickel)....ARE YOU!!!

No, made the Regionals but you apparently have more nickels than me. ;D  Talked to Seattle today. Pack your raincoat, sunlamp and Prozac. Lot of highly contagious SAD going around out there. Hopefully RMC will keep you smiling.   :D
Didn't realize the first half of your post was Swiss's.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 08, 2006, 09:58:59 PM
Lucked out with nice tax refund to afford the trip plus a supportive spouse.

FYI - I posted a response on NW board too. Seems someone thought you were too hard on me.  Hey it goes with the territory.  I figure you don't post unless you expect someone to respond. 

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: arforbes on March 09, 2006, 02:10:24 AM
Hoopstermom, thanks for the feedback.  I recognized that were totally able to defend yourself, but I couldn't help correcting GAVA's assignment of Swiss's post to you creating the delusion that you were a fickle fan.  I am with you in loving good basketball, men or women.  When RMC knocked out my GFU Bruins last year, they were my sentimental favorite in the final 4, just as PLU may be your's this year.  I hope that is not just wishful thinking, as I remember how good your point guard was and apparently still is.  Oh, and you guys don't have bad heigth  either.  PLU will have to rely on speed and protecting the rock. Good luck until Saturday night, assuming PLU can keep it together on Friday.  Otherwise, I'll just have to root for RMC all weekend!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 09, 2006, 10:52:59 AM
Sorry this is totally off topic, but I started a group for the ESPN.com Tournament Challenge.  It's called "Division III Fanatics."  Feel free to join in!

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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2006, 08:01:26 PM
D3hoopsNet, under contract from NCAAsports.com, will be broadcasting the entire Southern Maine sectional. Coverage starts a half-hour before tipoff and includes a preview of all four sectionals, plus in-game "live look-ins" at other sectionals in progress.

Mark Simon on the call.

http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gcalum on March 09, 2006, 10:50:53 PM
Congrats to Silva on being the Jostens Award winner... 


Good luck to both teams this weekend!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 10, 2006, 12:07:15 PM
I will not  have access to a radio tonight. Can someone keep me updated on the BC game?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 10, 2006, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on March 10, 2006, 12:07:15 PM
I will not  have access to a radio tonight. Can someone keep me updated on the BC game?

Jeremy,

Check my BridgewaterFootball.com blog for a link to a chatroom I set up for BC fans to get live scoring updates (scroll the bottom);

http://bridgewaterfootball.blogspot.com/2006/03/lady-eagles-reach-ncaa-sweet-16.html

Also, I'll be posting live scores from all the men's and women's games on D3hoops.com's scoreboard;

Men's Scoreboard (http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2006-03-10&team=m) | Women's Scoreboard (http://www.d3hoops.com/schedule.php?date=2006-03-10&team=w)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 10, 2006, 01:44:48 PM
Hoopstermom...I am so jealous that you get to go to Tacoma!! I amusingly looked at airline tickets and I thought rent or go see RMC? I would have chosen the later, but my parents had a different idea!

Anyway this is my most favorite time of the year. It begins with ODAC Tourney, than D3 Tourney along with ACC and SEC tourney ( I am a Kentucky and Maryland fan), then D3 Championship with D1 Tourney, and ending finally with D1 Championship. I wish I could be like Elvis and have 10 TV's in my living room with different games playing.

FYI: You can listen to all the games in Washington at the 3 other school's respective websites. I know rmc.edu has the links posted under the women's basketball page on the athletics page!

Sidenote: I saw a former BC women's basketball player in the local grocery store last Sunday night and I thought it was so cool that we walked by each other and said "Hey Congratulations, Good Luck in Washington!" and "You too, Congratulations, Good Luck in Maine!" Even though we both are "old heads" and don't play anymore this is the closest we can get to playing again (besides the occasional pick-up game at the gym)! We like to say that we "layed the foundation" for these championship teams...HAHA, I know!!! TOO FUNNY!! ;D

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST: CONGRATULATIONS (for the 3,000th time this year :o) to Megan Silva for winning the ultimate individual award in D3 basketball, the Jostens Award! The funny thing is a lot of players would love to have half of all her accolades, but all she wants is that National Championship Trophy! Gosh I hope she gets it along with the other Yellow Jackets!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 10, 2006, 04:26:32 PM
Yes, congratulations to Megan Silva for the Jostens Award!!! And good luck to the Jackets tonight!  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 10, 2006, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 10, 2006, 01:44:48 PM
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST: CONGRATULATIONS (for the 3,000th time this year :o) to Megan Silva for winning the ultimate individual award in D3 basketball, the Jostens Award!



I am floored !!! I mean I knew oldschool marlin said Silva was just as good as several of the VWC players, but...... ;D
Just kidding, but fans that are both rabid and obtuse amuse me. :)

Congrats Silva, you earned it !!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 10, 2006, 07:59:50 PM
Any BC updates?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on March 10, 2006, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on March 10, 2006, 07:59:50 PM
Any BC updates?

BC was down 14 with 4 min. to play in the 1st half. Score is being updated on the D3Hoops scoreboard periodically.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 10, 2006, 08:20:52 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 10, 2006, 09:33:40 PM
S. Maine 68, BC 55 FINAL
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on March 10, 2006, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on March 10, 2006, 09:33:40 PM
S. Maine 68, BC 55 FINAL

Excellent showing by the Eagles. Way to represent the ODAC!

S. Maine lost only 1 game 71-61 at Salem State and BC played the 3rd closest game of the year against S. Maine. ;)

If that doesn't rate Final Poll Top 25 consideration I don't know what does ???

Bowdoin lost 64-55 (9pts) at S. Maine 11/29/2005
Eastern Connecticut lost  74-63 (11pts) at home
BC lost by 13 tonight.

And on a side note, Mass-Dartmouth lost 92-29 to S. Maine after S Maine had just beaten Keene St 88-29 three nights before. OUCH! :o

Great year Eagles!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: yj424 on March 10, 2006, 09:46:38 PM
That great HS Basketball station in Wisconsin just gave a halftime score. 44-20 in favor of Randolph-Macon.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:55:11 PM
Well, the live internet feed is now broadcasting the game that we all wanted to here from the start.

I've already emailed the stations GM that there were people all over the country that were trying to listen to this D3 Sectional Tournament game.

You guys have missed what would have been a great half of BB for a RMC fan.

I'm hoping for a change of fortune in the second half myself, but I'm sure you can appreciate my feelings.

Here's to a cleanly played second half and may the best team win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 10, 2006, 09:57:44 PM
My SU boys already got the last second win against Georgetown... here's to another win for me to celebrate tonight... Let's Go Jackets!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 10, 2006, 10:51:31 PM
R-MC with the win, 80-71  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:55:02 PM
Congrats and best wishes in the rest of the tourney!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 10, 2006, 11:32:39 PM
CONGRATULATIONS RMC!!! Let's go Jackets (Whoo Ahhh) Let's Go Jackets (Whoo Ahhh) Ohhhhhhh when the Jackets go marching in, oh when the jackets go marching in...oh how I want to be in that number, OH WHEN THE JACKETS GO MARCHING IN!  ;) Some of you  (rmcalum30) know what it's all about!


p.s. GAVA, maybe you need to take a few days off the D3 hoops posting up! I was totally being sarcastic (which I think everyone but you seemed to know) when I said I was congratulating Silva for the 3000th time! First, it's not hard to tell that I am a former player at RMC, second she is my friend! I saw what you did to Hoopstermom on here and I chalked it up to a bad day for you.
This is a positive board, but it seems that every semi-positive thing you say you counter it with 5 negative things! I know you are the big dog on here with all your posts, and I completely respect that, but most of us are just looking to have a good time and talk about basketball...not cause conflict! Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on March 10, 2006, 11:39:23 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 10, 2006, 11:32:39 PM
CONGRATULATIONS RMC!!! Let's go Jackets (Whoo Ahhh) Let's Go Jackets (Whoo Ahhh) Ohhhhhhh when the Jackets go marching in, oh when the jackets go marching in...oh how I want to be in that number, OH WHEN THE JACKETS GO MARCHING IN!  ;) Some of you  (rmcalum30) know what it's all about!


p.s. GAVA, maybe you need to take a few days off the D3 hoops posting up! I was totally being sarcastic (which I think everyone but you seemed to know) when I said I was congratulating Silva for the 3000th time! First, it's not hard to tell that I am a former player at RMC, second she is my friend! I saw what you did to Hoopstermom on here and I chalked it up to a bad day for you.
This is a positive board, but it seems that every semi-positive thing you say you counter it with 5 negative things! I know you are the big dog on here with all your posts, and I completely respect that, but most of us are just looking to have a good time and talk about basketball...not cause conflict! Thanks! :)

Seriously!  Silva is an awesome player and deserves everything she has gotten - she has made the ODAC an incredible league, even more than it was before.  But GAVA is just some kind of irate fan that is consistently downplaying others respect for a great player and a great team.  At this point in the game, we're all cheering the ODAC, no matter what.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 10, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 10, 2006, 11:32:39 PM

p.s. GAVA I was totally being sarcastic (which I think everyone but you seemed to know) when I said I was congratulating Silva for the 3000th time!

My comment wasn't in regards to your remark about congratulating Silva, it was in reference to oldschool comparing Silva to VWC players.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on March 10, 2006, 11:54:09 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on March 10, 2006, 09:57:44 PM
My SU boys already got the last second win against Georgetown... here's to another win for me to celebrate tonight... Let's Go Jackets!!!!  ;D

RMCAlum30--did you go to the Cuse??  I was there 2001-2002 for grad school and they are really pulling off some great wins!  Go Orange!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on March 10, 2006, 11:55:27 PM
Quote from: GAVA on March 10, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 10, 2006, 11:32:39 PM

p.s. GAVA I was totally being sarcastic (which I think everyone but you seemed to know) when I said I was congratulating Silva for the 3000th time!

My comment wasn't in regards to your remark about congratulating Silva, it was in reference to oldschool comparing Silva to VWC players.

Can't remember ever doing that...sorry.  Fact is, as scrappy as VWC is, no one can touch Silva or has ever been able to.  Sorry you got your facts wrong.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on March 11, 2006, 12:01:15 AM
What a season for the Eagles!!!

I was able to make it to the game tonight in Southern Maine, and it just seemed like BC dug themselves a hole in that first half that was too big to get out of. The score was SMU 17 BC 14, but then the Huskies went on a 17-2 run to close the half. BC won the second half by 7 and proved they can definitely play with the best in the nation.

The Eagles will greatly miss Marsha Kinder, who set a BC record this year for most points in a season (538, previous record was 495). What a great contribution Marsha has made to this team! We will miss you!

However, Bridgewater has alot to build on for next year! BC is returning their leader in steals, assists, and rebounds in Katy Herr! Bridgewater will also be returning three other starters in Childs, Scales, and Henderson. If the Eagles work hard over the off season, then BC fans will have a lot to be excited about next year!!!

GREAT SEASON LADIES!!! CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT YEAR!


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 12:02:35 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on March 10, 2006, 11:39:23 PM
  But GAVA is just some kind of irate fan

During the season you would only admit to Silva as being one of among many of the better players in the league. I told you then that was half-hearted props. How could you compare her to VWC players ? VWC fans ran their mouths all year about having the best players, winning the conference, knocking off RMC in the ODAC tournament. That is what I mean by rabid and obtuse, just foolish nonsense.
 I am not irate. I am thrilled !!!! ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on March 11, 2006, 12:03:47 AM
Llamaguy, I agree with you. This should definitely make BC a consideration for a spot in the top 25 for the end of season poll. I mean, they were one of only 16 teams left playing in the country.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 12:05:47 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on March 11, 2006, 12:03:47 AM
Llamaguy, I agree with you. This should definitely make BC a consideration for a spot in the top 25 for the end of season poll. I mean, they were one of only 16 teams left playing in the country.

Yes, it would be hard to justify denying the Eagles a Top 25 spot in the year end poll. Great season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 12:43:01 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 08:27:59 PM  She can't help what position she is put in by her coaches as far as playing time.   I also think there are a lot of other great players this year who are somewhat overlooked

See I don't hear the love, don't hear you saying Silva is ODAC's all time best player. What I hear is you taking a bash at Coach
LaHaye, and suggesting that Silva's fortune is the result of too much playing time.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2006, 03:54:57 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on March 11, 2006, 12:03:47 AM
Llamaguy, I agree with you. This should definitely make BC a consideration for a spot in the top 25 for the end of season poll. I mean, they were one of only 16 teams left playing in the country.

This is true. Just keep in mind that the final 16 is not automatically the same as the top 16. There may well have been teams eliminated in the first and second rounds because of the way the brackets were set up that were nonetheless better than a Sweet 16 team (I'm thinking of the three Texas teams and the Washington team that were eliminated early to satisfy the NCAA's penny-pinching.)

Not that Bridgewater won't get into the Top 25 (who knows?) but remember Division III isn't Division I bracketwise.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on March 11, 2006, 07:48:12 AM
Quote from: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 12:43:01 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 12, 2006, 08:27:59 PM  She can't help what position she is put in by her coaches as far as playing time.   I also think there are a lot of other great players this year who are somewhat overlooked

See I don't hear the love, don't hear you saying Silva is ODAC's all time best player. What I hear is you taking a bash at Coach
LaHaye, and suggesting that Silva's fortune is the result of too much playing time.

No, I was defending her as a player and hoping people would not "Silva hate" because when she did play a lot, she did score a lot.  She is just that good.  However, thank you for proving my point about you over and over again.  Last year I was making "GO JACKETS" signs with Susan Dunagan and Karen Harvey before the championship game at the beach - not that it matters to you, or that I care.  Good luck on the final stretch, nontheless...though you'll never agree, we're all very proud of how R-MC is representing our league.   ;D

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 08:18:19 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin   Good luck on the final stretch, nontheless...though you'll never agree, we're all very proud of how R-MC is representing our league.   ;D


quote]

Yes, good luck to RMC.  :)
You never know, we could work out a cease fire and you can still be a VWC fan. Just never at the expense of the RMC girls. :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 08:27:39 AM
Stout pulled to within four points, 73-69, with two free throws by Duoss with 51 seconds left to play. Stout was forced to foul and the Yellow Jackets responded by making 7-of-8 free throws to take the prize.

The night belonged to Randoph-Macon and Silva, who led all scorers with 28 points, hitting 11-of-21 shots from the floor, with two 3-pointers and four free throws. Michelle Orton scored 11 points.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 09:26:34 AM




NEW REQUEST FOR GAVA: Stop copying and pasting everyone's quotes from months ago and critiquing them.  Most of us on here are simply fans and usually bias fans! Who cares what they said in December? I respect Old School Marlin for keeping loyal to her team and now supporting the ODAC in the NCAA tourney! We have a bond in the ODAC, that I think we are lucky and privileged to have...don't be jealous!!  ;D But seriously do you know anything about Hardin-Simmons this year? I read all their stats, but wondering if you had any insight ( I still think you know a lot about basketball!)? I know that H-S brings up some bad memories for some of us! :P


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin

hoping people would not "Silva hate" because when she did play a lot

quote]

Megan Silva is always a good sport. She is a little wisp of a girl who makes magic on the court and is a joy to watch. My greatest hope for her is that in spite of her size the WNBA would give her a look.
People who hate her because she is better, offend me. They are petty and small of heart.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 09:26:34 AM

do you know anything about Hardin-Simmons this year?


I am glad RMC has unranked HSU tonight instead of # 16 PLU.
They are a small team with only one 6 footer but Bentley did score 20 last night. They are well balanced but no stars. No one averages more than 12 ppg. If Orton dominates at post and  RMC brings their A game I see Final 4. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Rico 21 on March 11, 2006, 12:09:04 PM
Congrats to R-M on their win over our Lady Bluedevils.  I'll be pulling for you to win it all!

We have our share of top-notch players, but listening to the game last night made me realize you have one AMAZING player in Megan Silva...  I really wish I could have had the opportunity to see her play.   

Enjoy the ride, Jackets!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 11, 2006, 05:07:43 PM
So excited for R-MC's matchup against Hardin-Simmons tonight... hopefully we can avenge the loss to them back during the 2002-2003 season when they knocked us out of the tourney in the 2nd round! I'm sure the ladies will have no trouble tonight  ;D

Old School Marlin - I'm actually here at the 'Cuse for grad school THIS year... in the broadcast journalism program at Newhouse. The past few days we have been going absolutely nuts... finally something to cheer about  :o Thank goodness the R-MC game doesn't start until 10... that gives me time to watch the Big East championship game! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 11, 2006, 07:01:28 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 10, 2006, 11:32:39 PM
Let's go Jackets (Whoo Ahhh) Let's Go Jackets (Whoo Ahhh) Ohhhhhhh when the Jackets go marching in, oh when the jackets go marching in...oh how I want to be in that number, OH WHEN THE JACKETS GO MARCHING IN!  ;) Some of you  (rmcalum30) know what it's all about!

Hahaha... I DEFINITELY know what it's all about... and I can guarantee the ladies will be loud and proud tonight when they do their pregame tradition!!!!  ;D ;D ;D LET'S GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on March 11, 2006, 10:00:40 PM
This H-S coverage is crackin' me up.  Go Jackets!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on March 11, 2006, 10:03:12 PM
Easy girls.  Two fouls immediately.  Make 'em play your game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:14:42 PM
Jacketlawyer: They just called Silva ordinary looking! Crap, Orton just got 2 fouls in the first 3 minutes!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:19:21 PM
Jacketlawyer: This is hilarious! Every call the refs make for RMC the sommentators say "oh it looked to me that a yellow jacket bumped her and thats why she traveled" etc...
But RMC already has 6 fouls against them and HS has 2 midway through the first half
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 10:21:18 PM
Please post scores.  The HSU server is full!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:25:25 PM
21-14 Hardin Simmons about 8 minutes left on the clock
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:27:54 PM
RMC down 10...shooting 25%. Not playing well at all.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 10:28:54 PM
Thanking you in advance for your diligent service to the Women's basketball fans of the South Region,

+1 Karma, onesealteam and GAVA! ;)  
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:29:21 PM
Orton and Morgan have 2 fouls.
24-16 HS
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:29:56 PM
Orton not playing ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:31:37 PM
Silva has 13...at least she is playing well.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:34:14 PM
HSU 29  RMC 20....3:25 til half....RMC be badly out rebounded. Where is Orton ??
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:34:43 PM
GAVA:  Orton has 2 fouls...thats Lahaye's MO..2 fouls=out of the game in the first half! Morgan same thing.

29-20 HS..RMC went on a roll with 4 unanswered points but HS just hit a 3
3:25 left to go.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:38:04 PM
34-20 HS...3s are killing us.
2 mins left to go
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:38:46 PM
HSU up 14...ugly. No boards, no baskets, no Orton.???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 10:42:38 PM
HSU is on a roll.  With the brutal schedule and "battle-hardening" that has become the ASC-West, those Cowgirls are confident that they can beat anyone now!

We will see how RMC responds, and I know that Megan Silva is an incredible player, but the ASC-West, with McMurry and Howard Payne sitting home, has been very competitive this year! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:43:45 PM
Half...36-26. Don't know why Orton hasn't played past 15 minutes??? Injuried ??

Silva did great per usual but thats about it. No rebounds, poor shooting.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:46:42 PM
Gava, did you read what I wrote...Ortie has 2 fouls, Lahaye doesn't play people with 2 fouls.

Halftime 36-26 HS

My thoughts:
Silva has 13pts.

Largest lead was 16 for HS.

Freshman Hiltunin and Reisbeck are getting a lot of minutes...playing great! Clutch defensive plays and shots in the last minute to cut the lead to 10.

3's are killing us...that is partly because Morgan has been out for half of the first half...she is the defensive leader on that team!

RMC switched to zone for about 3 minutes...thats when HS scored 3 3's.

The girl that Silva is guarding is posting her up...trying to use her height advantage on her and get her in foul trouble...not working!!

Shaffer, Morgan, Orton have 2 fouls.

THEY WILL GET IT GOING IN THE SECOND HALF! ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:51:24 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:34:43 PM
GAVA:  Orton has 2 fouls...thats Lahaye's MO..2 fouls=out of the game in the first half! Morgan same thing.



GAVA: I don' think they are getting out rebounded...they just can't hit the broad side of a barn according to the commentators. I think they are doing pretty good on the boards, getting 3 sometimes more chances on the offensive end...ESPECIALLY without Orton in the game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:52:34 PM
Oneseal I have lost connection with server. Please take over posting. Thanks !!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:54:41 PM
Yes, rebounding improved somewhat. HSU 21 boards, RMC 19.
Darn server >:(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
This is a lot of pressure! 8)

I should at least be Varsity now!!
I'm on it...hopefully I can keep my connection!
Still halftime
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:57:44 PM
RMC shot 30% first half.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:58:38 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
This is a lot of pressure! 8)

I should at least be Varsity now!!
I'm on it...hopefully I can keep my connection!
Still halftime


Got faith in you girl. You can do it. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 10:52:34 PM
Oneseal I have lost connection with server. Please take over posting. Thanks !!

I think that an HSU trustee or the President of the Baptist General Convention of Texas may have intervened on the server.

Those "hardened-sinners" are pretty powerful people! :D ;D

Also, dballa, a Howard Payne Yellow jacket alum, is posting on the ASC board.  dballa is a veteran poster, so I know he will do a good job! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:01:17 PM
36-32, Orton has had 6 unanswered points...HS hasn't scored over..can't score over Orton. 18 minutes left.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:03:40 PM
Ralphie, I am going to do a fantastic job!  :P

Orton had 8 of the first 10 points in the 2nd half.
HS scored and was fouled..extended the lead
41-36 16:30 left to play.

RMC is def. pounding it into Orton every time.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:07:21 PM
HOLY BATMAN!

ORTIE IS SUPERHERO!
41-42 RMC!!!! ALL ORTIE....HS HASN"T scored in over almost 2 minutes.
about 15 and some change to go!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:10:39 PM
HSU's Sonya West was at crosstown rival McMUrry from 2002-2004.  She was All-ASCWest for 2 years left McMurry and then showed up at HSU this year.  Sonya is the person who should be handling Orton!

For you RMC fans to understand McMurry/ Hardin-Simmons and Howard Payne/ HSU,  imagine RMC men and Hampden-Sydney men times 5. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:14:18 PM
Both teams can't score to save their lives...Silva just scored and was fouled...but that was about 5 trips up and down the court was either team not scoring. Silva didn't make her free throw..both teams look tired.

HS 44-42
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:14:40 PM
HSU's Rachel Cisneroz came off the bench after HSU lost their starting point guard Sarah Hawk, in the Sul Ross Game on February 9th.

That led to losses in 3 of the next 4 games.  From that, HSU regrouped and re-established their chemistry.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:17:25 PM
Orton just picked up her 3rd foul...PLEASE LAHAYE DON'T TAKE HER OUT!!!
10 minutes to go.

These commentators suck...if they say one more mean thing about Orton I am gonna....well I don't know, but they suck!

48-44
Mourassamo (sp?) just picked up her 3rd. HS is in the bonus. Timeout RMC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:21:12 PM
Orton and Mourassma just picked up their 4th foul, both are out of game.

50-45 HS
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:22:39 PM
6:52 to go

orton and mo are out still

54-47 HS
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 11, 2006, 11:24:13 PM
It's Morusma....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:24:33 PM
time out RMC
6:20 left to go.
54-47 HS

RMC is not hitting their shots and not getting any second attempts.
HS is playing great defense (just blocked Silv and got a charge called against Ortie) and are getting the boards and hitting their 2nd shots.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:26:02 PM
rip sorry I am trying to type as fast I hear it!

Orton is back in the game
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: rip08 on March 11, 2006, 11:24:13 PM
It's Morusma....

Good job onesealteam, we only need the shorthand details.

All typos in the heat of the game are forgiven if they can be understood to be generally accurate! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:28:38 PM
3:45 left to go.
HS leads by 12
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:29:30 PM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:26:02 PM
rip sorry I am trying to type as fast I hear it!

Orton is back in the game

It is kind of an adrenaline rush as you type your beloved team's prospects and results in the heat of the game! ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:30:42 PM
Silva just scored
67-55. HS
RMC is in full court press
2:20 left
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 11, 2006, 11:31:26 PM
2:00 to go..RMC down by 12..not lookin good for RMC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:32:44 PM
1:40 to go
11 point lead to HS
Silva is 7 for 20.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 11, 2006, 11:33:27 PM
1:18..Tech just called on Lahaye..ouch that hurts!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:35:08 PM
Coach Lahaye just got a technical. HS hit 1-2.

Timeout Macon 1:20 left
HS up by 12

somebody better buy me a drink
or maybe a new computer after I throw mine out the window
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 11, 2006, 11:37:15 PM
damn...Hoped the Jackets were gonna do it this year.  Fine career for Silva...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 11, 2006, 11:37:42 PM
48 seconds left...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:38:35 PM
17 seconds HS up by 14 >:(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:40:15 PM
FINAL: HS 72 RMC 56.
Further comments at a later date.  :-[
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2006, 11:48:46 PM
Thanks Oneseal. Probably harder on you than it was for me to just sit and read.

Like I said this afternoon this was our game as long as Orton posted up and RMC played their A game. Neither happened. Orton was on the bench half the night, and the Yellow Jackets didn't play well.

All things end.

Great season ladies. :)

Megan Silva, what can we say?? Thanks for the ride. It has been a great 4 years. We won't see someone like you in the ODAC for another decade at least. You are the best. !! ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:52:53 PM
GAME STATS:

Shooting Percentage from the Field:
RMC 32%
HS 35.6%

3-Pointers
1-10 RMC
8-17 HS

Free Throws
9-13 RMC
22-28 HS

Silva 19pts
Orton 12 pts, 11 rebs...all in the 2nd half
Shaffer 6 pts
Thompson 4 pts
Morgan 2 pts
Hiltunen 2 pts

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:53:20 PM
oh yeah and HS out rebounded RMC 47-45
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:57:30 PM
Thanks, onesealteam!

The South Region goes back to the Final Four.

A good performance by the Cowgirls will push the reputation that is building in the South Region...2003 Trinity -- Champion, 2005 RMC --finalist, 2006 HSU -- ?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 12:00:32 AM
Final Four Poll on the Women's Multi-region message board!

Vote early!  Vote often!  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on March 12, 2006, 12:15:11 AM
Great season to RMC!

Silva, I know you will be greatly missed by RMC, but you WILL NOT be missed by any of the other ODAC schools, and I mean that as a compliment.

One ODAC team in the Elite 8, and two in the Sweet 16...what a great year for the ODAC!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 12, 2006, 01:14:16 AM
I am so proud of my Yellow Jackets right now... I have no words for how amazing this team is and all the ladies that are on it. This season has been so great to watch them grow - I definitely miss being out on that court with ALL OF THEM, and they played their hearts out to the very last second. Great job to all of the seniors - I know what you're going through right now!!! To all the returners for next year... work hard and you'll go even farther! Congrats to the Yellow Jackets on a FANTASTIC season... love you girls!  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: onesealteam on March 11, 2006, 11:40:15 PM
FINAL: HS 72 RMC 56.
Further comments at a later date.  :-[

RMC was just off. 32% from floor last night vs. our 47% avg. HSU only shot 35%, should have blown them away.
10% on 3's vs our 33% avg.
Orton sitting on bench for 20 minutes to stay out of foul trouble was huge. We coach by formula to increase the odds of winning. This works out well most the time. Sometimes in tournaments though more risk needs to be taken. With Orton out it just wasn't happening.

Bad night, great season.

Thanks RMC !!  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on March 12, 2006, 11:54:20 AM
Thanks for the ride, Ms. Silva!!

I am sorry we could not go further in the NCAAs this year, but what cause have I to complain?  The last four years have been great!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 01:21:00 PM
GAVA noted the attendance at the RMC-HSU game.

The game was at a neutral site.  I investigated the attendance figures for both RMC and HSU.  Here is my response to GAVA.




quote author=GAVA link=topic=1526.msg506897#msg506897 date=1142182247]
Quote from: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:36:56 AM

Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?

We draw more at our girls' middle school games.  ;D



The "neutral court" aspect does give a "level playing field".  I don't mind the paltry attendance figures.  RMC would not have wanted to face Stout or HSU in their own gyms.

Women's Basketball in West Texas is serious business.  Coach Bobby Knight's Texas Tech Red Raider Basketball men average 6700 fans per game; Coach Marsha Sharp's Lady Raiders average 12,000 fans per game.

On the  RMC (http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/BBstats/2006/teamcume.htm) web site, I see that the Jackets played to one regular season crowd of 1000.

Life in the ASC-West is much different.  Hardin-Simmons, McMurry and Howard Payne play before thousands of fans several times in the season.  HSU played before thousands of fans 4 times in the regular season, and then the playoff crowds are noted.  (The HPU board sites the attendance at the HSU-HPU game in Brownwood as 1371.)

http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/teamcume.html

You can say that D3 attendance estimates are bogus.  Pat Coleman saw the January 2005 McMurry-HSU game.   Here is the photo gallery that shows 2000 screaming fans at a McMurry-HSU game.

http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835

West Texas is truly one of the hotbeds of Women's Basketball.

RMC is probably fortunate that they caught HSU in Tacoma!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 13, 2006, 08:32:20 AM
Congratulations to Randolph-Macon and Bridgewater for fine seasons.  It's nice to see the ODAC have two teams - and four total wins -in the tournament!  This sort of success helps the ODAC in so many ways.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 13, 2006, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 01:21:00 PM
West Texas is truly one of the hotbeds of Women's Basketball.

RMC is probably fortunate that they caught HSU in Tacoma!
I agree.  After winning NCAA 1st round games at home in both 2001 and 2002, Guilford had to travel to Texas to play HSU in the 2nd round.  The first year, the Quakers lost by a good-sized margin, but the 2nd year the Quakers led by 7 with a little over a minute to go and then lost by 1 when they were outscored 8-0 to close the game.  The folks I talked to said the size and noise of the crowds were definitely a factor each year.  I think I'd rather play them on a neutral court as well.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: justafan02 on March 14, 2006, 01:04:54 AM
Good luck to the VWC MEN!!!  Great season for BC and RMC...represented the ODAC well.  Much more respect should come next year and BC proved to be a top 25 team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 15, 2006, 07:22:31 PM
Congratulations to the following ODAC/USASAC All-South Region selections!

First Team

Pos. Name School Yr. Hometown
G Megan Silva Randolph-Macon Sr. Glen Allen, Va.
G Staci Humphrey Greensboro Jr. Pilot, Va.
F Erin Hanson Roanoke So. Blacksburg, Va.

Second team

Pos. Name School Yr. Hometown
G Jennifer King Guilford Sr. Reidsville, N.C.
G Marsha Kinder Bridgewater (Va.) Sr. Bridgewater, Va.
C Amanda Renalds Eastern Mennonite Sr. Bridgewater, Va.

Third team

Pos. Name School Yr. Hometown
F Meghan Stensrud Randolph-Macon Woman's Sr. Fairfax, Va.
F Candace Bryant Christopher Newport Jr. Virginia Beach, Va.
C Michelle Orton Randolph-Macon Sr. Silver Spring, Md.

Player of the Year: Megan Silva, Randolph-Macon
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 15, 2006, 10:51:39 PM
Megan Silva named Virginia female college player of the year by Richmond Times Dispatch. First time award has been given to a player who was not D I. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on March 16, 2006, 10:48:17 AM
Thanks GAVA.  Congrats to Megan.  It's the least that you deserve.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 20, 2006, 03:51:30 PM
In addition to RTD player of the year, Silva racked up All American honors again, won the Josten's Award and was named as the DIII player of the year.  The reward for the last award named is that she now has an opportunity to play with and against the best DI players including Monique Currie and Misty Williams of Duke, Barbara Turner and Ann Strother from UConn, Shanna Zolman from TN and others in the WBCA All-Star Challenge game on April 1st.

If anyone knows if this will be on TV, please post.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on March 20, 2006, 03:55:11 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 20, 2006, 03:51:30 PM
In addition to RTD player of the year, Silva racked up All American honors again, won the Josten's Award and was named as the DIII player of the year.  The reward for the last award named is that she now has an opportunity to play with and against the best DI players including Monique Currie and Misty Williams of Duke, Barbara Turner and Ann Strother from UConn, Shanna Zolman from TN and others in the WBCA All-Star Challenge game on April 1st.

If anyone knows if this will be on TV, please post.

Well it's a women's basketball all-star game, and it's not the WNBA, so i doubt it would be on TV. Not that it I don't think it should be though.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 20, 2006, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 20, 2006, 03:51:30 PM
In addition to RTD player of the year, Silva racked up All American honors again, won the Josten's Award and was named as the DIII player of the year.  The reward for the last award named is that she now has an opportunity to play with and against the best DI players including Monique Currie and Misty Williams of Duke, Barbara Turner and Ann Strother from UConn, Shanna Zolman from TN and others in the WBCA All-Star Challenge game on April 1st.

If anyone knows if this will be on TV, please post.

I gave the WBCA a call.  They said it won't be televised.

WBCA All-Star Challenge info: http://www.wbca.org/EventsDetail.asp?CalendarId=331

Unfortunately, most of the players listed won't be participating if their teams make it to the Final Four, seeing the events occur on the same weekend.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 20, 2006, 10:53:46 PM
[quote author=eh ... just call me 'kid' l

Unfortunately, most of the players listed won't be participating if their teams make it to the Final Four, seeing the events occur on the same weekend.
Quote

Players from 15 D I schools listed to play so most will make the WBCA game. Game in Boston where WNBA draft will be held several days later. All D I players on WBCA game roster are in WNBA draft. Current WNBA stars will be in attendace at WBCA game for autographs. Should be good exposure for Silva. The 2005 D II player had a great game last year outplaying most the the D I girls in the WBCA game in Indy. Several days later in NY they were all drafted and she wasn't. Makes you wonder if there is a lockout to anyone but D I players.   :-X
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2006, 01:45:57 AM
HSU's Kendra Anderson was the D3 selectee about 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 21, 2006, 05:25:58 PM
Congrats to Bridgewater for finishing the 2005-06 season ranked No. 23 in the D3hoops.com poll!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 22, 2006, 08:20:17 AM
Quote from: GAVA on March 20, 2006, 10:53:46 PM
Players from 15 D I schools listed to play so most will make the WBCA game. Game in Boston where WNBA draft will be held several days later. All D I players on WBCA game roster are in WNBA draft. Current WNBA stars will be in attendace at WBCA game for autographs. Should be good exposure for Silva. The 2005 D II player had a great game last year outplaying most the the D I girls in the WBCA game in Indy. Several days later in NY they were all drafted and she wasn't. Makes you wonder if there is a lockout to anyone but D I players.   :-X

Thank goodness I'm only 4 1/2 hours from Boston... 99.9% sure I'm making the trip over to watch Silva play... definitely some good exposure for her... maybe we'll get lucky and she'll get drafted!  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 22, 2006, 11:13:44 AM
At least there is a link to listen in on tonights ODAC-USA South Challenge games being held at Averett in Danville.  Women at 6:00, Men at 8:00.

http://www.averett.edu/statistics/cougarlive.htm
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 23, 2006, 07:14:27 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 22, 2006, 11:13:44 AM
At least there is a link to listen in on tonights ODAC-USA South Challenge games being held at Averett in Danville.  Women at 6:00, Men at 8:00.

http://www.averett.edu/statistics/cougarlive.htm


ODAC ladies win. :)   Silva leading scorer and MVP.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 24, 2006, 10:15:16 AM
Bridgewater finished the season ranked No. 18 by the WBCA.

http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on March 25, 2006, 01:53:57 PM
Some people have implied that the ODAC is not a very strong conference.  However, we have the top male and female player's of the year in the same conference.  In addition, Bridgewater is also in the top 25 for the women.  Not bad at all.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on March 29, 2006, 07:44:48 PM
Anyone know if the NCAA Womens basketball all-star game that Silva is in on Saturday is being broadcast on the 'net?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 29, 2006, 09:06:31 PM
"Uunfortunately neither game [high school or college] is televised this year."
- Jenifer Jenifer Scheibler, Manager of Events & Legislation
Women's Basketball Coaches Association (WBCA)


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on March 29, 2006, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 29, 2006, 09:06:31 PM
"Uunfortunately neither game [high school or college] is televised this year."
- Jenifer Jenifer Scheibler, Manager of Events & Legislation
Women's Basketball Coaches Association (WBCA)

Her first and middle names are both Jenifer? You'd think the parents would at least spell it right if they are going to give her the same first and middle name.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 30, 2006, 03:27:20 PM
I'm headed to the game on Saturday to watch Silva play... hopefully she'll get some respectable playing time! I'll give a full report when I get back  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2006, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: > on March 29, 2006, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 29, 2006, 09:06:31 PM
"Uunfortunately neither game [high school or college] is televised this year."
- Jenifer Jenifer Scheibler, Manager of Events & Legislation
Women's Basketball Coaches Association (WBCA)

Her first and middle names are both Jenifer?...

Why not? How many fanatical VWC hoops' alums will name  their first born sons "Ton Ton"  this year? ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 30, 2006, 05:59:03 PM
Megan Silva piece in USA TODAY today. Ran on p. 4 of the print edition.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/womensbasketball/tourney06/2006-03-30-silva_x.htm
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on March 30, 2006, 06:02:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2006, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: > on March 29, 2006, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 29, 2006, 09:06:31 PM
"Uunfortunately neither game [high school or college] is televised this year."
- Jenifer Jenifer Scheibler, Manager of Events & Legislation
Women's Basketball Coaches Association (WBCA)

Her first and middle names are both Jenifer?...

Why not? How many fanatical VWC hoops' alums will name  their first born sons "Ton Ton"  this year? ;)

But is Ton his middle name?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 30, 2006, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 30, 2006, 05:59:03 PM
Megan Silva piece in USA TODAY today. Ran on p. 4 of the print edition.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/womensbasketball/tourney06/2006-03-30-silva_x.htm

Thanks Pat !
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on April 02, 2006, 07:44:44 PM
I made the trek to Boston last night to see Silva play in the all star game. It was a great game all around, and Silva seemed a little nervous, but held her own very well. She got a few shots off... although in my humble opinion she should would have gotten more looks if they would have dished it off to her more! She played very good defense as expected and did a good job all around. Kudos to Megan for a fantastic season and career!!!

Jacketlawyer - how goes the crusade to retire number 11??? :) Let me know what I can do to help  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on April 03, 2006, 08:53:55 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on April 02, 2006, 07:44:44 PM

Jacketlawyer - how goes the crusade to retire number 11??? :) Let me know what I can do to help  ;D

I emailed a few people at R-M about it back in February, but haven't heard anything about it.  I think they were waiting to see how far Silva would go this year.  I'd have to think they'd be considering it strongly knowing the people there that I do.  Good job on going to Boston!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2006, 12:35:06 PM
I think a good way to go on things like this is to start by unofficially retiring the number immediately (as in, don't hand it out to incoming classes) but don't have a retirement ceremony until a few years down the line. That enables the school to have a nice get-together with the team, perhaps at reunion time, and introduce the player's accomplishments to the next generation of your school's fans.

Just my $.02.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on April 03, 2006, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2006, 12:35:06 PM
I think a good way to go on things like this is to start by unofficially retiring the number immediately (as in, don't hand it out to incoming classes) but don't have a retirement ceremony until a few years down the line. That enables the school to have a nice get-together with the team, perhaps at reunion time, and introduce the player's accomplishments to the next generation of your school's fans.

Just my $.02.

And a very good $.02 that was! ;D

I agree with withholding the number and having a ceremony down the road a few years.  She's got to be a shoe-in for our HOF, at the very least.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on April 03, 2006, 12:43:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2006, 12:35:06 PM
I think a good way to go on things like this is to start by unofficially retiring the number immediately (as in, don't hand it out to incoming classes) but don't have a retirement ceremony until a few years down the line. That enables the school to have a nice get-together with the team, perhaps at reunion time, and introduce the player's accomplishments to the next generation of your school's fans.

Just my $.02.

good idea
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on April 03, 2006, 04:57:52 PM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer on April 03, 2006, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2006, 12:35:06 PM
I think a good way to go on things like this is to start by unofficially retiring the number immediately (as in, don't hand it out to incoming classes) but don't have a retirement ceremony until a few years down the line. That enables the school to have a nice get-together with the team, perhaps at reunion time, and introduce the player's accomplishments to the next generation of your school's fans.

Just my $.02.

And a very good $.02 that was! ;D

I agree with withholding the number and having a ceremony down the road a few years. She's got to be a shoe-in for our HOF, at the very least.


whats HOF?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on April 03, 2006, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: heinbball on April 03, 2006, 04:57:52 PM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer on April 03, 2006, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2006, 12:35:06 PM
I think a good way to go on things like this is to start by unofficially retiring the number immediately (as in, don't hand it out to incoming classes) but don't have a retirement ceremony until a few years down the line. That enables the school to have a nice get-together with the team, perhaps at reunion time, and introduce the player's accomplishments to the next generation of your school's fans.

Just my $.02.

And a very good $.02 that was! ;D

I agree with withholding the number and having a ceremony down the road a few years. She's got to be a shoe-in for our HOF, at the very least.


whats HOF?

hall of fame! are you blonde? lol just kidding :P
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on April 03, 2006, 05:12:18 PM
ok wow - long day - didnt click....sorry but yes definetly a shoe in - and the retirement of #11 should be a shoe-on as well
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: heinbball on April 03, 2006, 05:12:57 PM
shoe in - not on - please excuse the typo
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on April 03, 2006, 09:46:18 PM
That is "shoo-in" and "shoe on".

I are an English grad. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 05, 2006, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: GAVA on April 03, 2006, 09:46:18 PM
That is "shoo-in" and "shoe on".

I are an English grad. ;D

An English professor named Chase
Loves to mark with red ink and erase
She said when I sense
An incorrect tense
I edit in BOLD UPPER CASE!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on May 07, 2006, 08:19:41 PM
Any news on recruiting from the ODAC?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on May 09, 2006, 08:22:53 PM
The Bridgewater Women's Basketball team just held their end of the year picnic. This is when they hand out their team awards; most improved, hustle award, and MVP. These awards are voted on by the players.

Katy Herr was voted by her fellow players as the most valuable player to the team, and rightfully so. She led her team in assists (2nd in the ODAC), in steals (2nd in the ODAC), in assist-to-turnover ratio (2nd in the ODAC), in rebounds (as a 5'3 point guard!)(15th in the ODAC), and she was second on her team in scoring (21st in the ODAC)( Kinder, who led the team in scoring, took over 100 more shots then Herr, and only shot 2% better then Herr). Herr was third on the team with the most turn-overs, yet she averaged the most minutes and was practically the only point guard on the team.

Herr was the backbone of Bridgewater, leading the Eagles to two first-round upsets in the NCAA tournament and a berth in the Sweet 16. She was 1 assist shy of a triple-double in the Eagles' upset of nationally ranked Bates, and when she was taken out of the Southern Maine game, the Huskies outscored the Eagles by 10 with BC committing 5 turnovers during that span of time.

So, without Herr, the Eagles most valuable player, Bridgewater would have had no where close to the success they had this past year.

So, what is my point?

My point is this. I feel that Katy Herr was not given the credit she deserved when it came to naming the Regional teams. Marsha Kinder was the Eagles' only player to be named to a regional team (2nd team). Several of the ODAC's second team selections made teams, while Herr, a first team all ODAC selection, was not honored at all. If any Eagle should have been named to a regional team, it should have been their MVP, "our little engine that keeps us going," as Coach Jean Willi said about Herr.

I was not happy when Herr got no recognition in the regional teams, and after I found out she was voted by her players as their MVP, I felt like I needed to vent, and I figured this was the best place to do it.

So, to Katy Herr.....great season! in my book you are definitely an all-region selection! Keep leading those Eagles!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on May 11, 2006, 08:26:51 PM
I agree with you Fairmont; Katy Herr was more then deserving of all-South region recognition. Everytime I watched her play, I was impressed. To me, she was the best point-guard in the whole ODAC.

Who decides about who makes the all-South region teams? Maybe they didn't get enough of a chance to watch Herr play??? Anyone who watched that team could easily tell that Herr was the leader of that squad.Herr's only questionable stat was her scoring average (11.2 pts a game, 2nd on the team, 21st in the ODAC), however she was strong in every other statistical category, and that includes floor leadership and hustle. I think scoring average holds too much weight in deciding all-Conference/Region/American teams.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on May 23, 2006, 02:52:17 PM
A little off topic but directed towards Bridgewater.  I hear the hall of fame at Bridgewater will be inducting a really good family friend of mine into their Hall of Fame in September.  Her name is Alice Puckett.  She played basketball and field hockey there. She is a very deserving of the induction.  Not only is she a family friend she was also my 9th grade gym teacher.  She is the person that got me rolling into the excitment that comes with womens basketball.  As I helped her with her coaching my high school girls basketball team.  Not only a good coach for basketball but also for field hockey. She has brought all 9 state championship teams in field hockey.  I thank you Bridgewater for inducting her into the hall of fame.  I want to do something special for her as she would do the same for me.  If there is anyone that has pictures or anything of her at the school.  I would like to get an album from her playing days together. (It would probably be easier to contact the school i know, but i figured i'd give this a shot too.)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on June 04, 2006, 09:42:55 AM
recruiting info from d3hoops.com's daily dose:

Lynchburg: Chevonne Booker (Thomas Jefferson HS, Richmond, Va.), Danielle Miller (Westfield HS, Herndon, Va.), Rachel Leake (Brentsville HS, Haymarket, Va.), Amy Terry (Pulaski County HS, Dublin, Va.), Katie Lay (Mills Godwin HS, Richmond, Va.), Jessica Harris (Croatan HS, N.C.), Loriann Garcia (Seneca Valley HS, Germantown, Md.), Brittany Dahn (Deep Run HS, Glen Allen, Va.), Caryn Blanquicet (Yorktown HS, Arlington, Va.), Dana Esposito (Academy of Holy Names HS, Fla.), Kristina Darby (Academy of Holy Names HS, Fla.)

Emory and Henry: Kristen Ross (Jackson County HS, Tenn.), Beth Ross (Jackson County HS, Tenn.)

Washington and Lee: Lauren Heitshusen (South Side HS, N.Y.)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on June 05, 2006, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on May 23, 2006, 02:52:17 PM
A little off topic but directed towards Bridgewater.  I hear the hall of fame at Bridgewater will be inducting a really good family friend of mine into their Hall of Fame in September.  Her name is Alice Puckett.  She played basketball and field hockey there. She is a very deserving of the induction.  Not only is she a family friend she was also my 9th grade gym teacher.  She is the person that got me rolling into the excitment that comes with womens basketball.  As I helped her with her coaching my high school girls basketball team.  Not only a good coach for basketball but also for field hockey. She has brought all 9 state championship teams in field hockey.  I thank you Bridgewater for inducting her into the hall of fame.  I want to do something special for her as she would do the same for me.  If there is anyone that has pictures or anything of her at the school.  I would like to get an album from her playing days together. (It would probably be easier to contact the school i know, but i figured i'd give this a shot too.)

The person that could help you out with that would be Steve Cox, SID at Bridgewater.  Send him an email at scox@bridgewater.edu.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on June 09, 2006, 06:29:52 PM
eh...just call me kid.   I did e-mail him.  Right after I posted my message.  No Luck. Oh well
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 03, 2006, 01:44:35 PM
According to this post from the Norfolk area, Joclyn Terry, a 5'6" guard, will play for Guilford.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=106798&ran=113886
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on July 17, 2006, 07:22:16 PM
Just released today that RMC will lose Ana Litton as assistant coach.  Any guess who LaHaye will be looking for to replace her?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on July 23, 2006, 10:55:48 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on July 17, 2006, 07:22:16 PM
Just released today that RMC will lose Ana Litton as assistant coach.  Any guess who LaHaye will be looking for to replace her?

Haven't heard anything about a possible replacement through the R-MC grapevine yet...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on August 05, 2006, 05:15:16 PM
Look for some assistant coaching changes on the Lynchburg Hornets sideline this year, and some, from what i hear, awesome recruits.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 07, 2006, 04:50:23 PM
http://athletics.vassar.edu/?action=fullnews&id=899

FYI - Former Guilford Head Coach Barb Bausch, who led the Quakers to the NCAA tournament twice, was recently named Women's Head Coach at Vassar.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on August 09, 2006, 11:46:52 AM
There was anarticle in the Lynchburg newspaper today that said RMWC is going to vote next month on rather they should become a coed school or not. Any thoughts on this? If they add men i guess we'd ahve to establish between the two macons by location now.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on September 11, 2006, 10:31:57 AM
Well Randolph-Macon Women's College will officially be a co-ed school starting next school year. They plan on admitting 35 male students for next school year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on September 26, 2006, 03:35:27 PM
Lynchburg's women's preseason roster has been posted on the website, as well as the men if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Guilford BB Schedule
Post by: hasanova on October 03, 2006, 11:01:32 AM
Guilford published their schedule last Friday.  The women open with Bennett in a home tournament.  McMurry (TX) and SUNY Oneonta are the other bracket.  Other non-conference games are Greensboro at home plus Ferrum and Methodist at a tournament in Fayetteville.  The usual 20-game ODAC schedule completes the 25-game regular season.

http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/releases/2006-07/BBSchedules.html

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 04, 2006, 11:41:36 PM
Does every team have the rosters up in the ODAC?

Is Randolph-Macon in the fans eyes favorite to win?  Or Bridgewater?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on October 05, 2006, 06:49:59 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 04, 2006, 11:41:36 PM
Does every team have the rosters up in the ODAC?

Is Randolph-Macon in the fans eyes favorite to win?  Or Bridgewater?

I doubt every team does, Guilford seems to be slow getting info out, at least on the men's bball side so it's probably the samew way for the women.

I'd go with Bridgewater.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 05, 2006, 09:04:53 AM
Scottie-

I agree.  Bridgewater.  Unless, Ms. Silva cloned herself in the offseason, and her clone has 4 years of eligbility.  Highly unlikely. ;D :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on October 05, 2006, 09:32:26 PM
Definitely a rebuilding year for RMC. In addition to losing Silva and Orton, another player graduated and 3 players who would have been seniors did not return due to financial or medical reasons. RMC loses 6 of 7 of their upperclassmen.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 05, 2006, 10:18:03 PM
What is to be said about Bridgewater then?  Are they going to be able to dominate has much as Randolph-Macon did two years ago?  If not, is the ODAC going to be a more balanced league this year?  I don't think RMC is going to fall that much despite losing some good players.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on October 06, 2006, 09:16:25 AM
Don't sleep on LC this year! These girls Coach Tobey brought in this year can flat out ball!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 06, 2006, 01:05:29 PM
One of Mary Washington's players transferred to RMC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on October 06, 2006, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on October 06, 2006, 01:05:29 PM
One of Mary Washington's players transferred to RMC

Hopefully she will be able to contribute. I think RMC will have 2 seniors and 0 juniors......a very young team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 07, 2006, 11:28:23 PM
Quote from: GAVA on October 06, 2006, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on October 06, 2006, 01:05:29 PM
One of Mary Washington's players transferred to RMC

Hopefully she will be able to contribute. I think RMC will have 2 seniors and 0 juniors......a very young team.

RMC suspisous  ;)  Mary Washington a very talented young team
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on October 10, 2006, 12:03:26 AM
This will definitly be a rebuilding year for RMC, but I wouldn't count them out just yet. Silva was definitly one of a kind but it took more than just her to get them as far as they did the past two years. The two seniors and returning starters- morgan and shaffer are among the elite talents in the ODAC who are coming in with alot of experience. Also, division I transfer marta merkel is back from injury and she will be a key player for this team.  They may be smaller this year after losing many post players, but they will certainly be one of the fastest teams in the ODAC. And a correction- there are 2 seniors, and 3 juniors this year.. this is with the addition of the transfer from mary washington.  And the 3 players that left would have been juniors, not seniors, but the team certainly is young. Hiltunen and Reisbeck had great freshmen years last year and they will contribute even more so this year. Like I said, this team may be young but they are still capable of alot...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 10, 2006, 08:39:47 AM
I think RMC could still be solid.  I saw the post players play and thought they were a little soft on the inside. (There is nothing wrong with it, some of the best hands I have seen for posts)  They were slow though.  GC in 75-61 lost had two girls out rebound the giants of RMC.  We had no one over 5'11.  If you say the team will be faster then, I can't see how they won't finish near the top, because overall team speed last year was not very fast.  Speed can make up alit of things in basketball.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on October 10, 2006, 02:45:42 PM
i dont know what team you watched last year, but RMC was by far the fastest team in the odac and used that to their advantage helping them get to the elite eight. this year they will be even faster with the addition of many new guards, so it will be interesting to see what Coach LaHaye does as far as using 2 posts or just one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on October 14, 2006, 02:03:16 PM
who is the favorite???

I would have to go with Bridgewater. Yes, they lost their leading scorer, Marsha Kinder, but that is about all she did....score. She was a great player, but she will not be as greatly missed as players like Jennifer King (Guilford) or Megan Silva (RMC). Bridgewater has four solid returning starters who are looking very good so far in preseason, and they also have some good potential in several freshmen.

So, for a team that finished #23 in the country with a trip to the sweet 16 who only lost one starter, I think they will be very good.

Definitely don't sleep on RMC. They definitely will have a good team back, although no where near at the level they were the past couple years. When you lose two All-Americans (Orton and Silva) you just aren't going to be as good.

What is the deal with VWC? I know they had no seniors on last year's squad, but did everyone come back?

About Lynchburg....I have heard some bad things about Coach Tobey, although they are not from the best of sources. So, can anyone explain to me why Tobey has only two returners to her team (Jessie Bridge and Caroline Wesley, both seniors) and 13 freshmen!!! I heard she was not the most popular of coaches with some of her players, which I guess would explain why practically no one came back. Can anyone fill me in on that situation?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 14, 2006, 03:41:34 PM
Quote from: baller116 on October 10, 2006, 02:45:42 PM
i dont know what team you watched last year, but RMC was by far the fastest team in the odac and used that to their advantage helping them get to the elite eight. this year they will be even faster with the addition of many new guards, so it will be interesting to see what Coach LaHaye does as far as using 2 posts or just one.

They very well were the fastest team of the 3 ODAC teams I saw play.  The post players were some of the slowest I have seen. :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on October 16, 2006, 04:25:53 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on October 14, 2006, 02:03:16 PM
About Lynchburg....I have heard some bad things about Coach Tobey, although they are not from the best of sources. So, can anyone explain to me why Tobey has only two returners to her team (Jessie Bridge and Caroline Wesley, both seniors) and 13 freshmen!!! I heard she was not the most popular of coaches with some of her players, which I guess would explain why practically no one came back. Can anyone fill me in on that situation?

5 players graduated, one isn't even in school right now, much less Lynchburg, and the only one who could ahve returned that would ahve made any differene was eirka seay, hwo was a turnover machine. I'd rather have all these freshman than what could have returned.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on October 16, 2006, 07:21:47 PM
According to the Women's DIII News Preseason Top 25 the BC Eagles are ranked #12 in the nation!


1. The University of Scranton
2. Southern Maine
3. Baldwin-Wallace
4. Hope
5. New York University
6. DePauw
7. Bowdoin
8. Messiah
9. Wisconsin-Stout
10. Carroll
11. Bates
12. Bridgewater
13. Mary Washington
14. Hardin-Simmons
15. Calvin
16. Wheaton
17. Wisconsin-Stevens Point
18. Wilmington
19. St. Benedict
20. Washington (Mo.)
21. McMurray
22. Williams
23. Maryville (Tenn.)
24. Simpson
25. Salem State
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on October 16, 2006, 07:29:54 PM
whats the website for DIII news, i couldn't find it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on October 16, 2006, 09:09:39 PM
I got my information from the Bridgewater Athletics site.....here is the link to the article by Bridgewater's SID, Steve Cox...
http://www.bridgewater.edu/Sports/news/wbbpreTop25.htm

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on October 17, 2006, 09:09:14 AM
Record watch!

Lynchburg Caroline Wesley has the potential to set several new records or establish herself in the top 3 in some categories.

Points: currently has 913, so she should easily be the 6th player in LC history with 1000. If she averaged 304 like she has over her first three seasons, she will have amassed 1217 points, good for third all-time

Field goals: has 331. if she gets 110 field goals (which is her average over three years), she will have amassed 441 field goals, good for third all-time

FG%: currently boasts a 50.5% fg percentage (331/656), which is good for second all-time now, with the best beaing 50.7%

free throws: has amassed 251 free throws. second played is 268 so she could easil break that, and she also has a chance at being #1, with the record setting at 358.

free throw %: sits at 78% (251/322), which is third all-time. second best is 78/8% and record is 79.5%, so if she shoots enough free throws at the 81% mark like last year, she could conceivably be at least second

boards: has 614 currently. if she amasses 205 like she has averaged the past three seasons, she will finish with 819, good for third all-time

blocks: already currently in second place with 133. the record is 151, so if she blocks shots at the pace she did her freshman and sophomore year she will demolish that record, she'll most likely barely beat the record at the very least.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 17, 2006, 09:43:48 AM
Are these school records that you are referring to?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on October 17, 2006, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on October 17, 2006, 09:43:48 AM
Are these school records that you are referring to?

yes
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on October 17, 2006, 10:01:44 PM
I think that the Bridgewater team is talented but not talented enough to be ranked in the top 25.. Yes, they had a great season last year, but they also lost their top scorer in Kinder. I just dont think they have the weapons to be up there. I still think that RMC is more talented, even without Silva and Orton.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on October 23, 2006, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: baller116 on October 17, 2006, 10:01:44 PM
I think that the Bridgewater team is talented but not talented enough to be ranked in the top 25.. Yes, they had a great season last year, but they also lost their top scorer in Kinder. I just dont think they have the weapons to be up there. I still think that RMC is more talented, even without Silva and Orton.
I like RMC's pre-season (non ) rating ;)  No expectations and no where to go but up ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on October 24, 2006, 08:00:26 PM
Quote from: baller116 on October 17, 2006, 10:01:44 PM
I think that the Bridgewater team is talented but not talented enough to be ranked in the top 25.. Yes, they had a great season last year, but they also lost their top scorer in Kinder. I just dont think they have the weapons to be up there. I still think that RMC is more talented, even without Silva and Orton.

I agree that Bridgewater's ranking might be a little high, however I do believe they deserve to be in the top 25...and I agree with GAVA...its always nice to not have the bulls-eye on your back because when you're in the top 25...everyone is out to get you!

Now...about RMC being more talented then Bridgewater...I'm not too sure about that. Just look at what RMC lost compared to BC, and you can see why I have a problem saying RMC is still the better team.

RMC lost four seniors, Silva, Orton, Thompson, and Senske. All of these seniors were starters at one point or another, Silva and Orton started 100% of the time, Senske 74% of the time, and Thompson29%.

Losing these four seniors mean losing....
58.9% of the scoring
50.7% of the rebounds
50.6% of the steals
46.6% of the assists
47% of minutes played
53.1% of blocks

and...here is the lowest statistical category these seniors ranked in...
44% of the turnovers
(I guess the returners have one stat they won't have to pick up the slack in as much!!!)

So, RMC is losing a lot and will have to heavily rely on their returners. They have some very talented returners and will be a very dangerous team. The only thing I am questioning, baller116, is your confidence in saying that RMC is still better then the Eagles.


Here is what BC is losing in their one senior, Kinder....
24.1% of the scoring
8.0% of the rebounds
12.5% of the steals
13.1% of the assists
15.9% of the minutes played
2.4% of the blocks
14% of the turnovers


The two stats that Kinder ranked in the top 2 in for the Eagles, were scoring and turnovers. She was an amazing player who will greatly be missed. All I am saying is that BC has four talented returning starters who did a lot for this team. They have a deep bench and some good looking freshmen.

I think BC is the team to beat, and the better team then RMC.

However....only time will tell.......

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 25, 2006, 12:43:07 PM
So what is the overall consensus.  Need a poll question, because I am about to pick Randolph-Macon Women's college to win it all.  (sorry just a little joke.)  What are they going to change the college name too, since last I heard they were going to accept men?

I am still with Bridgewater to win it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on October 26, 2006, 11:48:26 AM
fairmont, i agree with you in many ways.. however i think that even the non starters for rmc last year were more talented than most of the eagle starters.. that was macon's problem last year.. they had so much talent but had trouble getting chemistry on the court from that talent. i know it seems like i am biased towards rmc, but i just think people are writing them off too quickly.. they have built up a program the past 2 years that is unquestionably the best in odac history.. and they lose some very talented players so they are no good and not worthy of a ranking? i am with rmc to win..  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on October 26, 2006, 06:29:33 PM
baller116.....I can't say I agree with you. I am not sure of anyone who is writing RMC off. I have talked to several people from different teams around the league, and the consensus is that people are still very worried about RMC and how good they will be. They have a lot of talent returning, but what they lost is unreplaceable. I am also not sure about RMC's bench being better then some of Bridgewater's starters?? That does sound very biased to me. RMC was 2-1 against BC last year, and the game that RMC won on their home court was very close. In fact, BC led with 3 minutes left in the game before RMC took control by making 8-of-8 from the free throw line over the last three minutes. There were 9 ties in that game. So, BC played RMC pretty evenly throughout the season. It will be interesting to see how the ODAC will go this year. Of course, we can't forget that VA Wesleyan had a pretty good team last year (even though they fell apart in the end) and they didn't lose anybody!

Judging by talent alone (don't forget talent alone does not win ball games)
I will go with Bridgewater to win the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 26, 2006, 08:23:16 PM
The judge of how well they (RMC) is how much they dominate my conference (USASouth)  They start with Methodist and Averett.  Not too of the best teams coming out.  Methodist likes to run, and Averett wants to keep it close.  Take your pick.  Although a few years ago RMC played Shenadoah University (the NCAA finalist year)  SU finished last in USASouth and RMC beat SU 98-91.  The point is Silva was the difference in that game.  So if they dominate AU and MC then don't count out RMC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on October 29, 2006, 02:36:00 PM
RMC and Mary Washington are scrimmaging. Should be a good measure for RMC to see where they still stand after losing so much off of last year's squad.Any information that people can give us about the outcome of that scrimmage would be great!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on October 29, 2006, 07:37:28 PM
117 to 89 Total Offense in MWU's favor.
1st half was totally MWU.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on October 29, 2006, 07:51:51 PM
thanks Balder Eagle!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on October 29, 2006, 08:11:40 PM
Most Welcome,
Just a reminder - they played three halves   :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 30, 2006, 12:38:51 AM
So looking based on that about a 78-60 win for Mary Washington.  I am sure neither team has everything in place and I am not too sure how much scouting and tape was watched for the game and scrimmages are scrimmages.  Mary Washington is expected to return alot of players, and not RMC.  I would expect the score to be something along those lines maybe a 75-65 score.  IMO
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on October 30, 2006, 07:21:55 AM
Numbers appear good, MWU never put all it's strength on the court once. Do not know what RMC did in those regards. MWU played four freshmen in combinations with their seasoned players. Bruen and Hickey were never on the floor at the same time and were played sparingly. As stated it was a scrimmage  :). It was good to see some action. Will be a great season of Div III Basketball!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglemaniac on October 30, 2006, 08:05:06 AM
Quote from: Balder Eagle on October 29, 2006, 07:37:28 PM
117 to 89 Total Offense in MWU's favor.
1st half was totally MWU.

Balder Eagle- Say this with me.....UMW......UMW.........UMW  ;D
Thanks for the Update...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on October 30, 2006, 09:08:30 AM
UMW UMW UMW

;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on October 30, 2006, 09:15:41 AM
Key Stroke Comedy?  ::)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on October 31, 2006, 06:49:50 PM
I believe that RMC lost to Mary Washington by about 10 last year in a 3 halve scrimmage... and RMC ended up making it further(elite eight) then MW..(Sweet Sixteen).. so it isnt quite a good indication of whose the better team. RMC definitly needs to find the chemistry between the returning and new players though.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 31, 2006, 08:35:13 PM
Quote from: baller116 on October 31, 2006, 06:49:50 PM
I believe that RMC lost to Mary Washington by about 10 last year in a 3 halve scrimmage... and RMC ended up making it further(elite eight) then MW..(Sweet Sixteen).. so it isnt quite a good indication of whose the better team. RMC definitly needs to find the chemistry between the returning and new players though.

Probably true, but then you have to ask.  Who had the toughest bracket in the postseason.  I would have to say Mary Washington.  There are alot of really good teams up that way.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on October 31, 2006, 10:01:04 PM
I'm not a big Mary Washington fan, but I do have to agree with PrideSportBBallGuy, MWU did have a much tougher bracket.

Also....I hear that RMC got a transfer from MWU...interesting. Is she any good? I wonder how it was having the first time in a RMC jersey be against your old team? I wonder why she left MWU for RMC?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on November 01, 2006, 01:50:19 PM
WABC ranks Eagles No. 18
     The Bridgewater College women's basketball team is ranked No. 18 in the WABC Division III preseason poll.
     Fellow ODAC team Randolph-Macon is ranked No. 23 in the poll. Mary Washington, a team the Eagles will face during the regular season in a non-conference matchup is ranked No. 8.
     Earlier, the Eagles were ranked No. 12 in the DIII Women's News preseason poll.


This was off of the Bridgewater website. It looks like the WABC feels that Bridgewater and RMC will be pretty close in talent this year. Two ODAC women's teams ranked in the top 25!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 01, 2006, 06:16:03 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on November 01, 2006, 01:50:19 PM
WABC ranks Eagles No. 18
     The Bridgewater College women’s basketball team is ranked No. 18 in the WABC Division III preseason poll.
     Fellow ODAC team Randolph-Macon is ranked No. 23 in the poll. Mary Washington, a team the Eagles will face during the regular season in a non-conference matchup is ranked No. 8.
     Earlier, the Eagles were ranked No. 12 in the DIII Women’s News preseason poll.


This was off of the Bridgewater website. It looks like the WABC feels that Bridgewater and RMC will be pretty close in talent this year. Two ODAC women's teams ranked in the top 25!

That seems to match the debate on this board.  I would have to look at who votes on the poll. (Not who, but which schools.)  Most of those schools are not even around the area or in the region.  They might have a better understanding of the schools in those regions, and could very well overlook the potential of schools in the south region.  Mainly BC and RMC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on November 05, 2006, 02:55:18 PM
Bridgewater is ranked #21 according the D3hoops preseason poll, with both, that's right, both RMC and VWC just outside the top 25 with both teams receiving votes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on November 07, 2006, 12:26:59 PM
EMU men and women will play an exhibition game tonight against the D-1 JMU Dukes. Should be interesting!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 07, 2006, 01:38:15 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on November 05, 2006, 02:55:18 PM
Bridgewater is ranked #21 according the D3hoops preseason poll, with both, that's right, both RMC and VWC just outside the top 25 with both teams receiving votes.

A little surprised RMC is getting that kind of respect after the gaping hole left by Silva's departure, not to mention Michelle Orton and Megan Senske.  Nonethtless, I think RMC will be competitive.  No superstars this year, but these girls LOVE to play and have some talent.  Riesbeck's health could be a cause for concern, though.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on November 07, 2006, 02:50:53 PM
Riesbeck's health?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on November 07, 2006, 04:43:11 PM
Reisbeck had some knee problems last year, but had surgery this past summer, so she should be good to go this year. Maybe no superstars as far as scoring, but they do have the best defensive player in kristen morgan, her fourth straight year starting. There is a huge gap by Silva and Orton but these girls do love to play and they will be surprising many people this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on November 07, 2006, 06:34:43 PM
I will reiterate what I said before....RMC will not be "surprising" people, they will not be the underdogs. People are thinking they will be a good team, and they will be a good team. So, let's get off this thing about RMC being a team that is going to surprise people or is a team that is overlooked. Any team that is getting votes for the d3hoops top 25 is not being overlooked. The only way RMC will surprise anyone is if they have a bad season.

Kristen Morgan? Best defensive player? I went and saw RMC play EMU, Bridgewater, and W&L during the regular season, and saw them play Guilford in the torunament. I would definitely not consider her the best defensive player. I saw a great deal of ODAC games last year, and I would consider either Katy Herr or Megan Silva to be the best defenders. I also think Louisa Feve was an outstanding defender. All of these girls ranked ahead of Morgan in the steals and blocks categories, and just from watching them on several occasions were better.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 07, 2006, 08:45:42 PM
Valleybballfan makes a good point about Morgan.  Though she is a good defender, Herr and several others in the ODAC are superior.  Morgan does possess great court sense, however, and her real strength is her leadership on the floor.  She is the glue, baby.

Disagree with Valley on her (?) assessment of RMC as a good team.  I'm not sold on the d3hoops prognostications once you get below the Top 25.  My recollection is several teams in last year's "Other Teams Receiving Votes" pool disappeared quickly, never to return.  I'm not saying RMC won't be good - it's just too early to tell.  When you lose 3 starters and 2 others who contributed significant minutes, it's hard to project last year's success on this "new" squad.  It will take at least 6 games to develop chemistry and another 6 games (so, essentially half the regular season) to conclude if they are a good team (top 4 inthe ODAC) or a middle-of-the-pack team.  My preseason prediction is 12-8 in the ODAC which, based on last year's ODAC final standings, should be good for 5th place.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on November 07, 2006, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on November 07, 2006, 12:26:59 PM
EMU men and women will play an exhibition game tonight against the D-1 JMU Dukes. Should be interesting!

JMU Women  103       EMU Women 34     Final
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on November 09, 2006, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: Llamaguy on November 07, 2006, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on November 07, 2006, 12:26:59 PM
EMU men and women will play an exhibition game tonight against the D-1 JMU Dukes. Should be interesting!

JMU Women  103       EMU Women 34     Final

I listened to the first five minutes on the radio.

Needless to say, that's all I could listen to, lol.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on November 09, 2006, 04:17:35 PM
Congrats to Katy Herr-Lovell for being named to the D3hoops.com preseason All-America third team (http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/wompreallam07.htm).  Much deserved!

I can't wait for the season to start!  With BC football finishing up, I'll be on here bothering you all very soon. :)

GO EAGLES!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on November 09, 2006, 04:20:15 PM
I take it Katy Herr got married over the summer.

If so, my congrats!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on November 09, 2006, 04:23:23 PM
Yes, congratulations to Katy Herr-Lovell of BC on making pre-season All-American Honors! Much deserved!

The women's basketball had their media day today down in Roanoke, and the BC Eagles were voted as the favorite for this season. Here's the link to the article and to the complete list of team's and rankings.

http://www.odaconline.com/0607wbbpoll.htm

2006-07 ODAC Women's Basketball Preseason Poll

(#) indicates first place votes
1. Bridgewater (8)
2. Virginia Wesleyan (2)
3. Randolph-Macon (1)
4. Roanoke
5. Washington & Lee
6. Emory & Henry
7. Eastern Mennonite
8. Guilford
9. Lynchburg
10. R-M Woman's Coll.
11. Hollins


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: feelthesting10 on November 09, 2006, 07:15:18 PM
The team I think everyone should watch out for upsetting some people is Lynchburg. They are EXTREMELY young, boasting 15 freshman and only two seniors on the roster. They have a nice tandem down low in Caroline Wesley and Jessie Bridge, both of whom have put up nice numbers in the ODAC. Rachel Leake, a freshman point guard, has nice potential at the point guard poistion and can really lead a team as I watched her play some last year in HS. I also know that a few other freshman are very good and athletic. It will be interesting to see how fast the kids can get adjusted, but it looks like Coach Tobey has done well hitting the recruiting path. I look for L'Burg to knock off at least one "top 3" team in the league, and would not be surprised to see them finish in the top five in the league. Also, my prediction for the future, watch out for Hollins in about 2-3 years. Coach Wags can recruit the valley, and once he does, they will become competitive.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on November 10, 2006, 12:29:16 AM
It will be quite interesting to see how Lynchburg does with all of their freshmen??? If their freshmen are as good as some people are saying they are, then who knows what will happen???

I think saying that Jessie Bridge has been putting up nice numbers in the ODAC is a bit of an overstatement. She is a good player, strong and aggressive, but she is inconsistent and just started seeing quality minutes last season. Her first two seasons she was nonexistent, and last year she was spuradic. She had a three game stretch where she scored 57 points, an average of 19 points, and then the very next seven games she only amassed 24 total points, good for a 3.4 scoring clip during that stretch. This shows she has the potential to be very good for the Hornets, she just needs to stay consistent in order for Lynchburg to do well. 

As for freshmen potential......

The 2002-2003 campaign for Bridgewater saw the Eagles finish with an 11-16 record which was good for 7th place in the ODAC. The very next year, 2003-2004, BC welcomed incoming freshmen (now all seniors) Katy Herr, Jessica Young, Amy Childs, and Shannon Scales. Young, Herr, and Scales were all immediate impact players. Herr lead the team in scoring, assists, steals, was second in rebounding, and was named FOY and 2nd team all ODAC. Immediately the Eagles were thrust back into the winning ranks, they finished tied for first in the regular season with EMU, and eventually lost to RMC in the semifinals. They finished the year 22-6, a vast improvement from the year before. A good class of freshmen really can turn a program around. Just look at this year's senior class for the Eagles and what they did.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on November 10, 2006, 01:14:14 PM
Yes, Katy Herr did get married. It is now Katy Lovell, but for basketball they are using the hyphenated name.

If my information is correct, the young man she married coaches junior varsity boys' basketball at a local school and is going to Bridgewater part-time. I think they have been together for about 3 1/2 years, but he wasn't around Katy's freshmen year because of serving in the military.

Congratulations to Katy for much deserved recognition as a pre-season All-American!

Can't wait for the season to tip off! It will be interesting!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on November 10, 2006, 05:10:51 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on November 10, 2006, 12:29:16 AM
It will be quite interesting to see how Lynchburg does with all of their freshmen??? If their freshmen are as good as some people are saying they are, then who knows what will happen???



Their roster consists of 13 freshmen and 2 seniors????  ???What did they have last year?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: feelthesting10 on November 10, 2006, 08:50:46 PM
They had a normal breakdown last year, but some of the players decided to play other sports this year. They will miss Jessie Pierce, who was a nice shooting frosh a year ago.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on November 11, 2006, 09:42:15 AM
Bridgewater is traveling to Arlington, VA today to scrimmage Marymount. Scrimmage starts at 1.

I heard that Lynchburg had a good showing in a scrimmage against Southern Virginia. How is the competition in the USCAA?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 11, 2006, 11:14:25 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on November 11, 2006, 09:42:15 AM
Bridgewater is traveling to Arlington, VA today to scrimmage Marymount. Scrimmage starts at 1.

I heard that Lynchburg had a good showing in a scrimmage against Southern Virginia. How is the competition in the USCAA?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 11, 2006, 11:18:28 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on November 11, 2006, 09:42:15 AM
Bridgewater is traveling to Arlington, VA today to scrimmage Marymount. Scrimmage starts at 1.

I heard that Lynchburg had a good showing in a scrimmage against Southern Virginia. How is the competition in the USCAA?

Not sure but they did win the USCAA National Championship last year and have 4 returning starters.  Don't know how the USCAA competition stacks up against the NCAA and NAIA but I do know Southern Virginia has 4 NCAA D1 teams on its regular season schedule for 2007. I'm guessing if Lynchburg had a good showing, they could surprise a lot of ODAC teams.  I know Booker and Dahn will be impact players immeidately...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on November 11, 2006, 01:47:34 PM
Quote from: odacfan99 on November 11, 2006, 11:18:28 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on November 11, 2006, 09:42:15 AM
Bridgewater is traveling to Arlington, VA today to scrimmage Marymount. Scrimmage starts at 1.

I heard that Lynchburg had a good showing in a scrimmage against Southern Virginia. How is the competition in the USCAA?

Not sure but they did win the USCAA National Championship last year and have 4 returning starters.  Don't know how the USCAA competition stacks up against the NCAA and NAIA but I do know Southern Virginia has 4 NCAA D1 teams on its regular season schedule for 2007. I'm guessing if Lynchburg had a good showing, they could surprise a lot of ODAC teams.  I know Booker and Dahn will be impact players immeidately...

Lynchburg looked good, but Southern Virginia looked bad (ball handling and decision making by their guards was terrible at best), which made Lynchburg look damn good. And Lynchburg didn't even have Caroline Wesley on the court (injured but she is scheduled to play in the regular season opener). Kristina Darby and Dana Esposito simply tore through the SVA defense like a hot knife through butter. Those two girls are simply remarkable players. This team is going to be surprising people this year and for years to come. Tobey did a hell of a job recruiting and if she keeps recruiting like this, LC will be a strong contender for the ODAC championship!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on November 11, 2006, 03:37:15 PM
So, Scottie Too Hottie, give us your unbiased opinion.....you obviously feel Lynchburg deserves to be higher then their pre-season ranking of #9 in the league, where would you put them considering the talent of their freshmen? Would you put them up in the front of the pack with BC, RMC, and VWC, or would you put more towards the middle of the pack? What do you think?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on November 11, 2006, 04:09:18 PM
Middle of the pack. It's a young team, young teams generally tend to have some letdown games against opponents they should beat. Give them a year or two of seasoning and then we can talk about being "up in the front of the pack."
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on November 11, 2006, 04:49:08 PM
Bridgewater scrimmaged Marymount today and looked very good against a good program. Marymount has won 10 of the last 15 CAC championships, was a final four team in 2002, elite eight in 2004, and seven other times they have been sweet 16 teams. This year they are not ranked but they are receiving votes for the top 25. Bridgewater won 2 of the 3 halves, and the one half they lost they did not use their starters very much, but still only lost by a couple of points. I can not remember all the details, but I know they looked good and had some goodlooking freshmen.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on November 11, 2006, 05:06:22 PM
Quote from: odacfan99 on November 11, 2006, 11:18:28 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on November 11, 2006, 09:42:15 AM
  I know Booker and Dahn will be impact players immeidately...

I heard that all 4 of the Richmond area freshmen played AAU ball together so should have some chemistry. We will see how that translate to the college hardwood.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on November 11, 2006, 07:34:42 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on November 11, 2006, 04:49:08 PM
Bridgewater scrimmaged Marymount today and looked very good against a good program. Marymount has won 10 of the last 15 CAC championships, was a final four team in 2002, elite eight in 2004, and seven other times they have been sweet 16 teams. This year they are not ranked but they are receiving votes for the top 25. Bridgewater won 2 of the 3 halves, and the one half they lost they did not use their starters very much, but still only lost by a couple of points. I can not remember all the details, but I know they looked good and had some goodlooking freshmen.

I predicted Marymount to be 4th in the CAC,  it will not be a banner year!

Quote from: Balder Eagle on November 09, 2006, 09:11:30 PM
Well I may be full of baloney, are you are :)

  1. Mary Washington
  2. Catholic
  3. York
  4. Marymount
  5. St. Mary's
  6. Salisbury
  7. (T)Goucher
  8. (T)Gallaudet
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 13, 2006, 07:12:16 PM
4 days 'til the 2006/2007 ODAC hoop season!  Anyone else excited?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on November 14, 2006, 09:31:26 AM
Quote from: odacfan99 on November 13, 2006, 07:12:16 PM
4 days 'til the 2006/2007 ODAC hoop season!  Anyone else excited?

I can't wait! I'll be hitting up the R-MC Tipoff Tourney... vs. Averett on Friday and Methodist on Saturday. It will be interesting to see how they match up.
Averett lost to Ferrum in the opening round of the USA South Conference Tournament last season, and Methodist lost to Peace in the opening round of that tournament as well.
Averett lost their only All-USA South player to graduation last year... Methodist has two All-USA South returners (senior forward Stacy Williams and junior guard Lisa Jackson).
In preseason polls, Methodist has been picked 4th in their conference.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: upper90 on November 14, 2006, 03:04:18 PM
How about some picks on this weekends ODAC tip offs?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 14, 2006, 07:14:51 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on November 14, 2006, 09:31:26 AM
Quote from: odacfan99 on November 13, 2006, 07:12:16 PM
4 days 'til the 2006/2007 ODAC hoop season!  Anyone else excited?

I can't wait! I'll be hitting up the R-MC Tipoff Tourney... vs. Averett on Friday and Methodist on Saturday. It will be interesting to see how they match up.
Averett lost to Ferrum in the opening round of the USA South Conference Tournament last season, and Methodist lost to Peace in the opening round of that tournament as well.
Averett lost their only All-USA South player to graduation last year... Methodist has two All-USA South returners (senior forward Stacy Williams and junior guard Lisa Jackson).
In preseason polls, Methodist has been picked 4th in their conference.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 14, 2006, 07:21:33 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on November 14, 2006, 09:31:26 AM
Quote from: odacfan99 on November 13, 2006, 07:12:16 PM
4 days 'til the 2006/2007 ODAC hoop season!  Anyone else excited?

I can't wait! I'll be hitting up the R-MC Tipoff Tourney... vs. Averett on Friday and Methodist on Saturday. It will be interesting to see how they match up.
Averett lost to Ferrum in the opening round of the USA South Conference Tournament last season, and Methodist lost to Peace in the opening round of that tournament as well.

Methodist has two All-USA South returners (senior forward Stacy Williams and junior guard Lisa Jackson).
In preseason polls, Methodist has been picked 4th in their conference.


Averett lost their only All-USA South player to graduation last year.

Great info RMCAlum30.  You inspired me to go to the websites of the schools and check out their stats and players from last year. Looks like some solid returning talent despite the losses to graduation you mention.  Hope you enjoy your trip back "home" to RMC.  And hope they make you proud!  Look for a starting lineup of Riesbeck, Hiltunen, Merkel, Morgan, and Shaeffer with strong help off the bench.  Megan (she's kind of like Michael, Magic, etc...no last name necessary) will be missed immesely but hopefully these girls can find inspiration in all she accomplished over the last 4 years and not be fearful about her absence.  Good luck to RMC and to all their loyal fans!!!  Go Jackets.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on November 14, 2006, 10:39:46 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on November 14, 2006, 09:31:26 AM
Quote from: odacfan99 on November 13, 2006, 07:12:16 PM
4 days 'til the 2006/2007 ODAC hoop season!  Anyone else excited?

I can't wait! I'll be hitting up the R-MC Tipoff Tourney... vs. Averett on Friday and Methodist on Saturday. It will be interesting to see how they match up.

Hopefully RMC will win the Tip-Off Tourney. Last year they lost at home to a rated Springfield. Competiton not as tough this year but no Silva so could be close.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on November 15, 2006, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: upper90 on November 14, 2006, 03:04:18 PM
How about some picks on this weekends ODAC tip offs?

I'll start out with EMU traveling to Lancaster, PA to play Lancaster Bible College. LBC is in the NCCAA (National Christian College Athletic Association), and plays mainly bible colleges throughout the northeast as well as some of Penn State's satellite campuses. I know rankings aren't everything, but with EMU picked to finish 7th in the ODAC as well as having such a young team, LBC might give them a run for their money. However, EMU's got a bigger roster (both in terms of number of players as well as height... although neither team has anyone over 6')... I'll pick EMU, but it might be a close game!

I've already given my two cents about R-MC vs. Averett and Methodist this weekend. I agree that they may be close games, but I'm going with two wins for the Jackets!  ;D

On to Guilford... tried to check out the Bennett team they are going to be playing on Friday. Looks like it's a very new program... so far basketball is their only NCAA Division III sport. Couldn't find a roster at all (maybe I'm just bad at researching!), and based on it being what I would assume is such a new program, I'll have to go with Guilford winning on Friday night and matching up with the winner of the McMurry/SUNY Oneonta game on Saturday. That should be pretty good game. McMurry, 2006 ASC Tournament Champs, ended last season with a 26-3 record (they lost to Hardin-Simmons in the first round of NCAA's)... they're also preseason ranked #20 on D3hoops. SUNY Oneonta, 2006 ECAC (Div. III) Tournament Champs, finished 21-8 last year. I'll go with McMurray to win that game, and then between a Guilford and McMurray matchup, I'll go with McMurry again.

VWC vs. St. Olaf -- VWC is picked #2 preseason in the ODAC... four seniors to lead the team and a fair amount of height (three girls 6' or taller). St. Olaf was 10-15 overall last year... finishing 7th in the MIAC Conference. Three seniors this year but only one six footer. I'm picking VWC for this one.
They'll go on to face the winner of Maryville vs. Salisbury. Maryville - 23-7 last year, GSAC Tourney Champs, 2nd round NCAA's. Salisbury - 15-13 last year, so far they've only got seven girls listed on their roster. I'm picking Maryville, and also giving them a win over VWC.

Emory & Henry will get the easy win over Galludet (who only won 3 games last year), then most likely face Greensboro, last year's USA South Champs (Greensboro plays Misericordia on Friday... a team that went 15-10 last year). I'm picking Greensboro over E&H on Saturday.

It's a toss up between Lynchburg and Jersey City -- both teams working with two seniors each... Lynchburg is the younger team, but not by much. I think ultimately, how Caroline Wesley plays will decide the outcome. I'll pick Lynchburg to stay true to the ODAC, but again, it's a toss up. Couldn't figure out who the other two teams are in this tournament... all it says on both websites is TBA for Saturday.

W&L with the easy win over CCNY (1-21 last year). Then with the win over either Swarthmore or Eastern.

Hollins will be at the College of Notre Dame tourney in Maryland facing Bryn Mawr. I'm picking Bryn Mawr, but only because they won three games last year as opposed to Hollins not winning a game at all. Consolation game puts Hollins against St. Elizabeth (they'll lose to ND on Friday)... Hollins with the loss to St. Elizabeth on Saturday.

So those are my picks... very long post, I know, but hey -- gotta explain myself, right?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 15, 2006, 05:13:28 PM
RMCAlum30 - Re: Bennett Belles basketball.  You're not bad at researching.  Bennett is just notoriously poor at keeping up their website.  In fact, they're just notoriously poor - period.  They've had basketball off and on in the past, but the college (and their athletic program) just doesn't have their act together.  Even though it's one of the five colleges in the city of Greensboro, I don't remember Guilford ever playing them.  I think the last time Greensboro College played Bennett a few years ago it was something like 100-20 Pride.  In fact, it was sad to look at Bennett's boxscores for that whole season.  It was one 95 to 15 rout after another for the entire year.  Unless Bennett has recently improved in ways I'm not aware, I would expect Guilford to win handily.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 15, 2006, 05:21:23 PM
Does anyone know why 2005-06 FOY Kristine Ellis is not returning to Guilford?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on November 16, 2006, 02:25:52 PM
How healthy is Heather Phillips from VWC?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 17, 2006, 10:35:32 PM
RMC 88 Averett 55

Unofficially I had RMC with 4 players in double figures - Merkel (10), Hiltunen (11), Riesbeck (12) and Ariail (16).  Morgan and Shaffer had 9 each.  11 of 12 on the roster played, 10 scored points

Ariail is a 6' 2" Freshman.  She played impressive defense and had a nice soft touch from the free throw line (6 of 6).

Fast game, but  L O T S    O F    T U R N O V E R S by Macon.  I logged at least 15 in the first half alone. 

I didn't stay for the Catholic/Methodist game so not sure what to expect tomorrow.
Title: Guilford wins first game
Post by: hasanova on November 18, 2006, 09:44:52 AM
http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/wbball/releases/2006-07/Bennett.html

Guilford defeated Bennett, 98-50, and McMurry defeated SUNY-Oneonta, 80-62, in Guilford's season-opening tournament Friday night in Greensboro.   GC/MU and BC/SUNY-Oneonta will play Saturday.  Guilford first year player Ann Seufer had eight 3-pointers and 28 points versus the Belles.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on November 18, 2006, 12:01:03 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on November 17, 2006, 10:35:32 PM
RMC 88 Averett 55

Unofficially I had RMC with 4 players in double figures - Merkel (10), Hiltunen (11), Riesbeck (12) and Ariail (16).  Morgan and Shaffer had 9 each.  11 of 12 on the roster played, 10 scored points

Ariail is a 6' 2" Freshman.  She played impressive defense and had a nice soft touch from the free throw line (6 of 6).

Fast game, but  L O T S    O F    T U R N O V E R S by Macon.  I logged at least 15 in the first half alone. 

I didn't stay for the Catholic/Methodist game so not sure what to expect tomorrow.

I was VERY impressed by R-MC's play last night. Great chemistry on the court... the veterans and the newcomers are meshing very well for so early in the season.

MOLLY ARIAIL... all I have to say is absolutely amazing play for a freshman. 12 rebounds, 16 points, 3 blocks and SEVEN steals. Look for this girl to do big things in the ODAC this year.

Turnovers were definitely a problem... 35 total. If memory serves me correct, when I played, we ran in practice for every turnover above 20... and I think eventually coach raised the standards to keeping turnovers to under 15 a game.

Veterans Morgan, Shaffer and Merkel did a great job last night of keeping the team together and on the same page -- they are going to be a great asset this year in terms of leadership.

Methodist could be a challenge today... but I'm not worried -- look for a W for the Jackets today.  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on November 18, 2006, 06:19:26 PM
Who won the RMC game today??? It was at 4:00, so I am dissapointed that we don't have any updates yet ;)

I had to get on the Averett website last night to figure out who won that game.

What about all the other ODAC games that took place yesterday and today?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 18, 2006, 07:57:24 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on November 18, 2006, 06:19:26 PM
Who won the RMC game today??? It was at 4:00, so I am dissapointed that we don't have any updates yet ;)

I had to get on the Averett website last night to figure out who won that game.

What about all the other ODAC games that took place yesterday and today?

RMC won convincingly - don't remember the score but they won by 20+ points.  The game was never really close as the Jackets led by 22 at the half.  In an earlier post I predicted it would take 6 games to figure out team chemistry but it looks like they already have that happenin'.  Methodist is a big physical team with a strong low post game but nothing much from the perimeter. RMC defended the Monarchs accordingly which lead to the convincing win. The Jackets go 9 deep without losing a beat, at least based on the results and play after 2 games.  Marta Merkel and Kristin Morgan were named to the tournament team and Morgan was named the MVP.  If these games are accurate indicators of what's to come, this RMC squad will be serious contenders for the ODAC title.  The ODAC competition begins for them in 2 weeks at home against W&L and Bridgewater.  Stay tuned...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 18, 2006, 08:05:26 PM
Like I said before nothing to worry about with RMC they took out the average teams from the USASAC (regretably so ODAC still has USASAC number)  E&H had a good showing this weekend going 2-0.  USA South Conference favorites went 1-1 in that same tournament (never played E&H though)  (I don't think Greensboro has ever started 2-0 in history)  They have Guilford this Tuesday.  Nova going to make the trip.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 18, 2006, 08:22:37 PM
Final score of RMC/Methodist game was 86-58

5 players in double figures - Morgan (11), Merkel (16, 13 in 1st half), Hiltunen (13), Riesbeck (11) and Ariail (10).   Ariail had three steals, but caused at least 3 others too.  I'm definitely looking forward to the first ODAC games.

Didn't seem like as many turnovers as yesterday and definitely not as many fouls (15 for the game today versus 24 last night).

Stein may be able to by next games  12/1 and 12/2 or shortly thereafter.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 18, 2006, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 18, 2006, 08:05:26 PM
Like I said before nothing to worry about with RMC they took out the average teams from the USASAC (regretably so ODAC still has USASAC number)  E&H had a good showing this weekend going 2-0.  USA South Conference favorites went 1-1 in that same tournament (never played E&H though)  (I don't think Greensboro has ever started 2-0 in history)  They have Guilford this Tuesday.  Nova going to make the trip.
I might.  Let me see how work goes that day.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2006, 08:56:22 PM
Thanks to the Guilford SID for the game reports from the Guilford Tip-off Tourney!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2006, 09:34:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2006, 08:56:22 PMThanks to the Guilford SID for the game reports from the Guilford Tip-off Tourney!
Dave Walters does a great job with all Guilford sports.   McMurry easily bests Guilford's young Quakers, 78-44, (MU proved why they deserve to be ranked!) and the SUNY-Oneonta Red Dragons overpower Bennett, 82-48 (it may be a long season for the Belles). 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2006, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 19, 2006, 09:34:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2006, 08:56:22 PMThanks to the Guilford SID for the game reports from the Guilford Tip-off Tourney!
Dave Walters does a great job with all Guilford sports.   McMurry easily bests Guilford's young Quakers, 78-44, (MU proved why they deserve to be ranked!) and the SUNY-Oneonta Red Dragons overpower Bennett, 82-48 (it may be a long season for the Belles). 

hasanova, thanks for the props.  The frightening thing about that comment is that there are at least 2 other teams in the ASC-West that are that good (Howard Payne and Hardin-Simmons) and maybe a 3rd (Mary Hardin-Baylor). :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on November 21, 2006, 07:19:01 PM
Bridgewater just won 74-42 over Averett.

Katy Herr-Lovell led the Eagles with 17 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, and 5 steals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 21, 2006, 08:00:41 PM
Apprentice 50, Washington & Lee 46
Builders lead for all but 2:30....but never more than 11.

Hunsinger 19 points and 11 rebounds

W&L had 27 turnovers and shot 18-of-48 from the field (37.5%)
Apprentice School only had 14 turnovers..but shot 22-of-66 from floor (33.3%)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 22, 2006, 12:00:48 AM
Greensboro 85 Guilford 77.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on November 27, 2006, 08:25:02 AM
*tap tap tap*

Is this thing on?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on November 29, 2006, 01:01:14 PM
Around the ODAC

Standings












SchoolODACOverallLast GameNext Game
1
Roanoke (http://www.roanoke.edu/athletics/sports/sportpage.cfm?sport_code=wbball)
1-0
2-1
W, Lynchburg [83-69]12/1 - VWC
Washington & Lee (http://athletics.wlu.edu/wbasketball/)
1-0
3-1
W, Hollins [90-26]12/1 - at R-MC
3
Randolph-Macon (http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/index.asp)
0-0
2-0
W, Methodist [86-58]12/1 - W&L
#21 Bridgewater (http://bridgewater.edu/Sports/Womens_Basketball/)
0-0
1-0
W, Averett [74-42]11/29 - VWC
Eastern Mennonite (http://www.emu.edu/athletics/basketball-w/)
0-0
1-0
W, Lancaster Bible [95-43]11/29 - at R-M Woman's
Emory & Henry (http://www.ehc.edu/cgi-bin/MySQLdb?VIEW=/athletics/teams/viewone.txt&currentteam=11)
0-0
2-1
L, Ferrum [93-59]12/1 - at Lynchburg
Virginia Wesleyan (http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/)
0-0
2-1
W, Christopher Newport [77-63]11/29 - at Bridgewater
Guilford (http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/wbball/)
0-0
1-4
L, Methodist [65-52]12/1 - R-M Woman's
9
Hollins (http://www.hollins.edu/athletics/bball/bball.htm)
0-1
0-3
L, Washington & Lee [90-26]12/2 - Guilford
Lynchburg (http://www.lynchburg.edu/x4501.xml)
0-1
0-3
L, Roanoke [83-69]12/1 - E&H

News

11/27 - Roanoke's Erin Hanson named ODAC's Player of the Week (http://www.odaconline.com/BBall_Report_Week2.pdf)
11/20 - W&L's Kristen Krouchik named ODAC's Player of the Week (http://www.odaconline.com/BBall_Report_Week1.pdf)
11/9 - Bridgewater tops ODAC women's hoops preseason poll (http://www.odaconline.com/0607wbbpoll.htm)
11/9 - Eagles' Katy Herr-Lovell named D3hoops.com preseason All-America (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=785)
11/2 - Bridgewater ranked No. 21 in D3hoops.com preseason top 25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=778)
10/31 - USA Today/ESPN/WBCA preseason poll ranks BC No. 18 (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/womensbasketball/d3poll.htm)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on November 29, 2006, 04:41:54 PM
Big game tonight versus the preseason ODAC no. 1 and no. 2.  After looking over the stats from VWC's first three games, in particular their last two, it seems they have having trouble rebounding the ball, making shots, and blocking shots.  They are being outrebounded by 15 a game, they are shooting less than 40% from the field, and they only blocked two shots.

If BC can control the boards and play good defense, we should be OK.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: upper90 on November 29, 2006, 07:17:48 PM
can anyone provide some updates on the bridgewater/vw game?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on November 29, 2006, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: upper90 on November 29, 2006, 07:17:48 PM
can anyone provide some updates on the bridgewater/vw game?

Don't know the final but BC was up ~10pts with a minute to go. It was 32-28 at the half. BC had almost 30 turnovers, but VWC missed almost as many layups.  :o

Sounds like a typical 2nd game of the season to me. Onward and upward. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on November 29, 2006, 09:40:52 PM
BC 66
VWC 50

BC did not play well at all during periods of the game. However, they played good enough to get the W!

Katy Herr Lovell once again led this team. Lovell had a double-double with 12 points and 10 rebounds, she also had six assists and five steals and probably about six or seven scrappy plays where she forced a jump ball. Jessica Timberlake had a career high of 18 points to lead the Eagles in the scoring column.

WAY TO GO EAGLES!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on November 29, 2006, 10:35:24 PM
I was dissapointed at the sportsmenship tonight at the BC v. VWC game....I never posted last year but I read about BC and VWC and the "kicking" incident of Michelle Dove. These are two very physical teams, but VWC seems to like to take cheap shots. Dove threw a very blatant elbow which ignited the home crowd and another girl stuck out her leg to cause a trip which also got the home crowd going, and there were several other incidents. The Eagles weren't perfect either with some very hard fouls, but I was dissapointed with VWC. I am from that area and hoped they would represent my home town better then that. I guess things have changed since I played, but good, hard, physical basketball does not equal cheap shots. When I am home I'll be seeing some more Marlins games, and I hope they play just as physical as they did tonight, but I hope they cut out the cheap shots.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on November 29, 2006, 10:53:08 PM
Uh-oh :o!

If I recall correctly, any talk of poor sportsmenship about VWC will stir up some of those Marlins!

Maybe that will be a good thing and some people will start posting on this board!

Good Job to BC today without starting Center Becca Henderson. Sophomore Jennifer Saunders started tonight in place of Henderson and played big with 10 points and 8 rebounds. Saunders also has the flu and missed yesterday's practice because she was sick!

Also, heck of a job by Katy Herr Lovell! She doesn't always score that much, but boy does she know how to run that point position!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on November 29, 2006, 11:51:23 PM
I was at the BC/VWC game tonight ... it was painful to watch the Marlins shoot.  They missed 70% of them! :o

I liked Thurston (#40) and Jones (#25).  Thurston was their vocal leader and played with the most emotion.  Very active under the rim.  Jones, only a freshman (or like VWC says it: "first year player" lol), was explosive and gave the Marlins a boost off the bench.  I can see her working her way into the starting lineup this season.

Other than those two, it wasn't pretty.  The rest of the team shot 17% from the floor.

For BC, I liked the lift Timberlake gave off the bench.  Amazing how we only played seven players, but still shot nearly 50% from the floor, 33% from behind the arc, and 77% from the foul line.  I think once we get Henderson back, and perhaps another player works their way into the rotation, we'll have a nice nine-player rotation once the postseason rolls around.  Sure we had 25 turnovers tonight - but it was only our second game of the year.  That'll improve.

I do think R-MC, EMU and Roanoke will be better tests for Bridgewater than VWC was.  I think Morgan (R-MC), Riley (EMU), and Hanson (RC), will be three of the best players in the conference.  Should be a fun season!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on December 01, 2006, 10:19:11 AM
is it really that bad being a fan at an ODAC school other than VWC? I mean i understand everyone has all their heritage and history that they are so proud and now they are all getting their butts kicked by the bastard child on the coast but get over it. I didn't see the bridgewater game but it's always funny to me what "bad sports" VWC teams always are and how "perfect" every other team in the ODAC is and how they NEVER do anything wrong. I know you guys must be getting sick of seeing us win at everything, and we understand, but you should be getting used to it by now so it's time to just start admitting to yourself that we have better athletes and better coaches and that is why we win. I know women's basketball is one of the few remaining sports we don't completely dominate in year in and year out but it must scare the stuff out of you that a team that won only 5 games just 3 years ago was preseason picked 2nd in the league. Not to mention the fact that they played their first conference game on the road without their leading scorer from last year, shot 29% from the floor for the game and 24% from the floor in the 2nd half and where never "out" of the game. So how do you guys make yourselves feel better? Find two "incidents" that you may or may not have imagined and talk about how "dirty" the VWC team is. Like i said I didn't see the game but I looked at the box score and aside from the poor shooting from the Marlins here are some other things I noticed. Fouls VWC 18 BC 16 technical fouls VWC 0, intentional fouls VWC 0, flagrant fouls VWC 0....Those dirty, dirty Marlins...... I hope Roanoke and W&L packed some football gear for this weekend......GET OVER IT!... Happy Valleybball fan? you got your response....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on December 01, 2006, 12:58:51 PM
 ;D I am happy! Just a little controversial comment that was given by a fellow Virginia Beacher was all that was needed to bring a little fire to the board. Way to take that comment way oout of line. I belive odac fan 4 life mentioned both teams being very rough, and who knows? maybe odac fan 4 life just needs to stick to sports like golf and tennis where there is not contact? I think by the sound of your post you have some security issues, and by your karma you have some problems expressing those issues ;D I said nothing of the sportsmenship....only one person did....and they claim to be from VA Beach...but I guess you are right, vwcbeachbum....everyone is out to get ya'll ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 01, 2006, 01:03:55 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 01, 2006, 10:19:11 AM
is it really that bad being a fan at an ODAC school other than VWC? I mean i understand everyone has all their heritage and history that they are so proud and now they are all getting their butts kicked by the bastard child on the coast but get over it. I didn't see the bridgewater game but it's always funny to me what "bad sports" VWC teams always are and how "perfect" every other team in the ODAC is and how they NEVER do anything wrong. I know you guys must be getting sick of seeing us win at everything, and we understand, but you should be getting used to it by now so it's time to just start admitting to yourself that we have better athletes and better coaches and that is why we win. I know women's basketball is one of the few remaining sports we don't completely dominate in year in and year out but it must scare the stuff out of you that a team that won only 5 games just 3 years ago was preseason picked 2nd in the league. Not to mention the fact that they played their first conference game on the road without their leading scorer from last year, shot 29% from the floor for the game and 24% from the floor in the 2nd half and where never "out" of the game. So how do you guys make yourselves feel better? Find two "incidents" that you may or may not have imagined and talk about how "dirty" the VWC team is. Like i said I didn't see the game but I looked at the box score and aside from the poor shooting from the Marlins here are some other things I noticed. Fouls VWC 18 BC 16 technical fouls VWC 0, intentional fouls VWC 0, flagrant fouls VWC 0....Those dirty, dirty Marlins...... I hope Roanoke and W&L packed some football gear for this weekend......GET OVER IT!... Happy Valleybball fan? you got your response....


*yawn*

Okay, you just won a national men's baskeball title, and you've been dominate (in the ODAC) in softball and men's soccer.  You don't play nearly half the sports other ODAC schools play.  So I'm not quite sure what you mean by this:

Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 01, 2006, 10:19:11 AMI know you guys must be getting sick of seeing us win at everything, and we understand, but you should be getting used to it by now so it's time to just start admitting to yourself that we have better athletes and better coaches and that is why we win.

What does this have to do with women's basketball?  Your post would have made more sense had you come on and said something like...

Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 01, 2006, 10:19:11 AMI know you guys must be getting sick of seeing us be so overrated in women's basketball. Last year we were overhyped and ended up losing in the first round of the ODAC tournament as the third-seed. And this year it is a joke that we be picked number two in the ODAC above schools like Roanoke and Randolph-Macon.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 01, 2006, 03:18:08 PM
Of course I'm just giving you a hard time, vwcbeachbum. :)

Thanks for posting ... please continue. I hvae a feeling this board will be dead until BC loses. :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on December 01, 2006, 04:25:10 PM
don't worry about me you can't hurt my feelings, Karma or no karma. I am interested to see how the Marlins respond tonight after the loss to BC. Hopefully the poor shooting the other night was a fluke rather than the norm. Oh by the way you left out Women's Soccer, and Baseball two more sports that we are annually dominant in, and our field hockey team isn't that bad, and women's lacrosse team has been pretty good, and our Volleyball team while only a few years old has continued to get better and compete in the tournament, now that i think about it there isn't much that we aren't good at ;) I guess you still have track and cross country to cheer for!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on December 01, 2006, 10:31:07 PM
VWC 75 Noke 67 in OT.. sorry i don't have any incidents of bad sportsmanship to report to anyone. ;D It was a very tough hard fought game. VWC took an 8 point lead into the half then went the 1st five min of the second half without scoring. Erin Hanson 12 boards / 18 points not much help from Cind McGraw 0-9 from the floor. VWC had 5 players in double figures and got great games from Michelle Dove 1f points 8 assists, and Andrea Ushinski 13 boards, 15 points, 5 assists and Jill Weston 6-9 from the floor 13 points. VW shot 38% from the floor which would have been enough to beat BC on Wed. Very interesting score in Ashland......I could definitely see Roanoke winning tmrw at Macon
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on December 01, 2006, 11:22:39 PM
RMC 66  W&L 64    WOW what a comeback by the Generals!  The game was close the first 15 minutes then RMC went on a run to take an 11 point lead into the locker room at the :00 mark of the first half.  RMC continued to pour it on early in the second half and quickly expanded the lead to 17.  Then the lead began to crumble.  W&L kept pecking away and cut the lead to two on a couple of occasions before pulling to within 1 with about a minute left to play.  With the score 66-64, W&L had the ball with seconds left and had two close range scoring chances under the basket.  Reisbeck cleanly blocked the first lay-up attempt out of bounds giving the ball back to W&L with 2 seconds left on the clock - enough time for an in bounds pass underneath and another well defended 5 foot shot that was off the mark.  The Generals played some tough man-to-man D and if they hadn't missed a few easy lay-ups and/or hadn't turned the ball over 31 times (YIKES!) they would have stolen one at Crenshaw.  RMC won with some tough D of their own, a balanced scoring attack (Arial 10 points, Childress 9, four players with 8 each and Shiflett with 7) and a little bit of luck.  I must say the officiating was pretty bad with very questionable calls (and no calls) against both teams at key moments in the game.  Roanoke should prove a real challenge for the Jackets tomorrow.  Then next up, a road trip to VWC on Wednesday.  We'll know just how good this team is over the next few games....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 02, 2006, 12:54:44 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 01, 2006, 04:25:10 PM
don't worry about me you can't hurt my feelings, Karma or no karma. I am interested to see how the Marlins respond tonight after the loss to BC. Hopefully the poor shooting the other night was a fluke rather than the norm. Oh by the way you left out Women's Soccer, and Baseball two more sports that we are annually dominant in, and our field hockey team isn't that bad, and women's lacrosse team has been pretty good, and our Volleyball team while only a few years old has continued to get better and compete in the tournament, now that i think about it there isn't much that we aren't good at ;) I guess you still have track and cross country to cheer for!


I'll give you baseball (six ODAC titles), albeit all since 1997 (so you haven't always been dominant) ... but women's soccer?  Where is that coming from?  No conference titles since it began in 1983.

And no ... "we" don't still have track and cross country.  Those sports are for Lynchburg.

Point is ... this is a women's basketball thread.  It doesn't say much for your women's basketball program when you're on here touting other sports at the school.

Nice win against Roanoke tonight.  But 38% from the floor still won't cut it against a great team.  And for the record (I went ahead and did the math for you), had you made 38% of your shots against Bridgewater (five more made field goals) - you still would have lost 66-60.  Shoot, I'll even make them all three-pointers: 66-65.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on December 02, 2006, 07:45:18 AM
Quotebut women's soccer?  Where is that coming from?  No conference titles since it began in 1983.


Just for the record last 6 years.....107-31-14 over all, 61-9-7 in the ODAC, this year ODAC Champions, 3 NCAA appearance including trips to the elite 8 and final four.......

But your right this is a basketball thread, the point of the whole thing was that women's basketball has been one of the few sports in the past that you didn't have to concern yourselves with getting beat in......

A math major huh, thanks for doing that for me, did you add in the momentum that making just a few of those shots might of added, and the fact that on a made basket VWC could have set up their defense? All I am saying is that a "normal" shooting night that game is a LOT closer than the final score indicated.

Quote...... And this year it is a joke that we be picked number two in the ODAC above schools like Roanoke and Randolph-Macon.

Got one of them ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 02, 2006, 03:42:20 PM
Bridgewater 66
Eastern Mennonite 46


Nice win by the Eagles today.  They held the Royals to 25% shooting from the field, including Carolyn Riley to 3-for-15.  Timberlake had another huge game with 17 points.  Herr-Lovell had 11 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, and 3 steals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on December 03, 2006, 09:01:45 AM
QuoteI could definitely see Roanoke winning tmrw at Macon

You guys must hate that I am going to be right all the time....

Another good game for the Marlins 66-54 Final over W&L and th generals hit a long meaningless three at the buzzer to make it that close. 14 points 13 boards from Thurston, 12 points from Ushinski and 11 from Jones. Macon comes to "The fish tank" on Wed. A win then and I will start accepting apologies. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 03, 2006, 10:53:10 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 03, 2006, 09:01:45 AM
Macon comes to "The fish tank" on Wed. A win then and I will start accepting apologies. :)

A loss and then what?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on December 03, 2006, 05:26:41 PM
"The fish tank" on Wed. A win then and I will start accepting apologies.


Apologies for what??? Wow, you sure are full of yourself! So, if you are always right, you predicted Bridgewater over VA. Wes. by 16 the other night, right?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on December 03, 2006, 06:50:33 PM
RMC is finding out what life without Silva is like.  After a near miss to a sloppy W & L team (32 turnovers), they suffered a resounding loss to Roanoke.  It seems to be almost anybody's game this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on December 03, 2006, 07:43:19 PM
Did I think VW would go into BC without one of thier leading scores and beat the Eagles? not really. do I think that at full strength away from that cracker jack box you guys call a gym that VWC can beat BC, YES, and before the year is over THEY WILL!

QuoteA loss and then what?

Then for another few days you guys will be happy because all of you will have something to talk about, since the only thing that seems to  make you happy in life is seeing the Marlins be unsuccesful........
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on December 03, 2006, 08:58:27 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 03, 2006, 07:43:19 PM
Did I think VW would go into BC without one of thier leading scores and beat the Eagles? not really. do I think that at full strength away from that cracker jack box you guys call a gym that VWC can beat BC, YES, and before the year is over THEY WILL!

What is wrong with Heather Phillips and when will she back? And what is wrong with Ninger, you know, the cracker jack box gym. I am sure that was a determing factor in the Marlins loss :D

You know that when BC played Virginia Wes. they also were missing a starter in 6'2 Becca Henderson who last year averaged  5.1 points. 5.7 reb. and 1.4 blocks as a freshmen and was looking much improved in the preseason before going down in the first game with an ankle injury.


QuoteA loss and then what?
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 03, 2006, 07:43:19 PM

Then for another few days you guys will be happy because all of you will have something to talk about, since the only thing that seems to  make you happy in life is seeing the Marlins be unsuccesful........

I don't understand why people do not cheer for the Marlins. I mean, they are so good at all of their sports, have athletes that exemplify sportsmenship (just like two other athletes from that area...I think their last name was Vick?), and they have the classiest fans just like you are portraying. I am absolutley puzzled as to why, as you state, everyone is out to get poor old VWC?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on December 03, 2006, 09:50:18 PM
QuoteYou know that when BC played Virginia Wes. they also were missing a starter in 6'2 Becca Henderson

Yeah that is a fair comparison to Heather Phillips. Ok so she is 6'2, i give her that... Last year in the two game ve VWC Henderson had a total of 6 points and 13 boards, Heather Phillips 22 points and 32 boards.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 03, 2006, 10:19:11 PM
Quote from: waterlucy on December 03, 2006, 06:50:33 PM
RMC is finding out what life without Silva is like.  After a near miss to a sloppy W & L team (32 turnovers), they suffered a resounding loss to Roanoke.  It seems to be almost anybody's game this year.

Don't worry, everyone knows R-MC will be the ODAC champs until they are knocked off their thrown at season's end.  A regular season loss or two doesn't change that.  Silva or no Silva, the Jackets have earned the title as top dog in the ODAC ... and I expect that to remain throughout the season.

Keep in mind the Jackets have a freshman and two sophomores as their top three scorers to begin the season. 6-foot-2 Molly Ariail (the freshman) leads the team with 12.5 points, 7.5 rebounds, and 2.8 blocks per game - and she hasn't even started one of them (yet).

With their youth, it'll take some time for them to jell.  Kudos to Roanoke for going to Ashland and picking up the win!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 03, 2006, 10:32:10 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing W&L on Tuesday.  The Generals have had a brutal schedule to begin the season, so their 3-3 record is deceiving.  Five of six games have been away from home, with a tough five-day stretch.

They played AT R-MC (lost by two), AT VWC (game was tied w/ 8 minutes left) and then they will be AT BC this Tuesday.  That's against preseason No. 3, No. 2, and No. 1, respectively. :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2006, 04:12:12 PM
Just thinking about my alma mater Guilford's two decisive wins over RMWC and HU this past weekend.  Guilford appears to be a middle-of-the-pack ODAC team this year, so I assume Hollins and the Wildcats will take similar lopsided losses to most other ODAC teams.  I have empathy for them and would hope they could be more competitive.  To me, these two schools clearly need to strengthen their programs some, but I was wondering if there are other, more fundamental, issues.   Perhaps this is premature and just a one-year aberration, but are they in the right league?  Sure, the ODAC is a great geographic fit, but no one enjoys playing games with this much disparity.  Are they in the right conference philosophically and athletically?   Peace
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2006, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 03, 2006, 10:19:11 PM
Quote from: waterlucy on December 03, 2006, 06:50:33 PM
RMC is finding out what life without Silva is like.  After a near miss to a sloppy W & L team (32 turnovers), they suffered a resounding loss to Roanoke.  It seems to be almost anybody's game this year.

Don't worry, everyone knows R-MC will be the ODAC champs until they are knocked off their thrown at season's end.
I agree, I think the defending champ (with or without Silva) is assumed to repeat on the throne until (or if) they lose.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on December 05, 2006, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 03, 2006, 10:32:10 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing W&L on Tuesday.  The Generals have had a brutal schedule to begin the season, so their 3-3 record is deceiving.  Five of six games have been away from home, with a tough five-day stretch.

They played AT R-MC (lost by two), AT VWC (game was tied w/ 8 minutes left) and then they will be AT BC this Tuesday.  That's against preseason No. 3, No. 2, and No. 1, respectively. :o

Bridgewater won easily after a 6pt lead at the half!

Bridgewater  78         W&L 56    Final
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on December 05, 2006, 09:36:48 PM
BC won easily with great games by Shannon Scales and Katy Herr Lovell. Scales had 7 three-pointers as she finished with a career high 25 points, and Lovell finished with another complete game, recording 19 points, 9 assists, and 5 steals. Amy Childs also had a good game with 10 points and 9 rebounds, while Jessica Timberlake and Jessica Young each chipped in 8 point.

BC's defense held Jessica Hunsinger to only 9 points.

For the third time in only four games BC has had a different player lead this team. This is what makes the Eagles so dangerous is that there are several players very capable of stepping up and leading this team.


Also, Roanoke lost tonight at EMU by 2, 56-54. I think other then Erin Hanson, Roanoke just does not have a lot of depth. Every team in the ODAC has at least one loss except for Bridgewater, it should be a good year with a lot of even teams.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on December 06, 2006, 12:06:03 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on December 05, 2006, 09:36:48 PM
BC won easily with great games by Shannon Scales and Katy Herr Lovell. Scales had 7 three-pointers as she finished with a career high 25 points, and Lovell finished with another complete game, recording 19 points, 9 assists, and 5 steals. Amy Childs also had a good game with 10 points and 9 rebounds, while Jessica Timberlake and Jessica Young each chipped in 8 point.

BC's defense held Jessica Hunsinger to only 9 points.

For the third time in only four games BC has had a different player lead this team. This is what makes the Eagles so dangerous is that there are several players very capable of stepping up and leading this team.


Also, Roanoke lost tonight at EMU by 2, 56-54. I think other then Erin Hanson, Roanoke just does not have a lot of depth. Every team in the ODAC has at least one loss except for Bridgewater, it should be a good year with a lot of even teams.

Looks like BC's first big test will be Sienna Heights at the Hoops N Surf Classic in Hawaii!
They are an NAIA team that is 8-1 with several wins over D3 competion.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 06, 2006, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: Llamaguy on December 05, 2006, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 03, 2006, 10:32:10 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing W&L on Tuesday.  The Generals have had a brutal schedule to begin the season, so their 3-3 record is deceiving.  Five of six games have been away from home, with a tough five-day stretch.

They played AT R-MC (lost by two), AT VWC (game was tied w/ 8 minutes left) and then they will be AT BC this Tuesday.  That's against preseason No. 3, No. 2, and No. 1, respectively. :o

Bridgewater won easily after a 6pt lead at the half!

Bridgewater  78         W&L 56    Final
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 06, 2006, 10:42:50 AM
W & L hung around a little while - but once Bridgewater started  to press they folded like a house of cards.  That seems to be the key to playing the Generals.  Shannon Scales was also left unchecked.  Great game Eagles.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on December 06, 2006, 01:20:03 PM
I saw the EMU vs. Roanoke game last night where the Royals knocked off Erin Hanson and the Maroons 56-54. This came just one game after Roanoke defeated #22 RMC by 13! I was pulling for EMU, and they got a well balanced effort from a number of their players to record a good quality win, but here is what I saw with Roanoke....

They did not impress me very much. I think Hanson is an outstanding player, although I think she tries to do too much. She leads the league in scoring, but she also shoots the ball more then anyone in the league and she tries to force the ball too much, which is why she is averaging nearly 5 turnovers a game. Other then Hanson, the rest of the players are inconsistent. Cindy McGraw has exploded for some big games, but in their loss to VWC she only had 3 points on 0-9 shooting, and last night she had just 2 points on 1-9 shooting!

Also, Roanoke seems sloppy with the ball. I know the season is young, but after 6 games they have 132 turnovers, that's 26 turnovers a game! They also are ranked 8th in the league in both assist-turnover ration and turnover margin.

I think Roanoke is a mediocre team, but what is great about that? A mediocre team with one outstanding player was able to knock off #22 RMC! I think the league will be very even this year which will turn into some good basketball!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on December 06, 2006, 07:02:03 PM
Getting ready to listen to the R-MC/VWC game... should be a VERY good match up!

Let's Go Jackets  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on December 06, 2006, 07:46:10 PM
Kudos to whoever is doing play by play and color down at the VWC game... very much appreciated!
Live stats aren't up because of technical difficulties.... and of course my computer decided to kick me off of Windows Media Player with 13 seconds to go in the 1st half. So I'm not sure exactly what the score is... last time I heard, I believe VWC was up 34-31 and had possession.
So needless to say, a VERY close game.

Go Jackets!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 06, 2006, 08:22:21 PM
53-49 RMC 9:45 to go
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on December 06, 2006, 08:41:14 PM
12.3 seconds to go... VWC on the line for a... they're up 1... LaHaye calls timeout
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on December 06, 2006, 08:41:46 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on December 06, 2006, 08:41:14 PM
12.3 seconds to go... VWC on the line for a... they're up 1... LaHaye calls timeout

***VWC on the line for a 1&1***
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on December 06, 2006, 08:44:32 PM
VWC over R-MC... 70-67
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 06, 2006, 08:45:34 PM
70-67 Marlins win over Jackets.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 06, 2006, 09:40:53 PM
I have to say, I like seeing the Marlins beat teams like Roanoke and Randolph-Macon.  Having not seen either, this bodes well for my nerves before we face the Maroons and Jackets.

I wasn't all that impressed with VWC ... Bridgewater didn't play that great of a game, and still comfortably won.  I'm not suggesting the Eagles can go 20-0 in the ODAC, but I do think we're going to have to beat ourselves to lose.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 06, 2006, 10:00:51 PM
The Eagles have their toughest game of the young season tomorrow night against Ferrum.  I'm looking forward to seeing how we play against a really fast team.

Following that, two games in Hawaii against Siena Heights and George Fox.  The next three non-conference opponents have a combined 18-4 record.

Excellent scheduling by the BC coaching staff.  Win or lose, the next three games can only help for our stretch run in the ODAC after the first of the year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on December 06, 2006, 11:36:06 PM
Let me see here, wins over Roanloke and Macon, that puts the MArlins in ummmm Oh yeah second ahead of both of those teams. S L O P P Y ball with 34 tunrovers tonight for the Marlins and still able to pull off the W. VWC shot 53% from the floor, just think what they might have done if they had not thrown the ball to the Jackets 34 times. Good nights again from Thurston, Ushinski, Dove, and Barrett. Also Heather Phillips returned to the court for some limited action so the Marlins will only get better as she gets back into playing shape........ Please direct all posts to www.Itoldyouso.com :) WAY TO GO MARLINS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on December 07, 2006, 12:33:45 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 06, 2006, 11:36:06 PM
Let me see here, wins over Roanloke and Macon, that puts the MArlins in ummmm Oh yeah second ahead of both of those teams. S L O P P Y ball with 34 tunrovers tonight for the Marlins and still able to pull off the W. VWC shot 53% from the floor, just think what they might have done if they had not thrown the ball to the Jackets 34 times. Good nights again from Thurston, Ushinski, Dove, and Barrett. Also Heather Phillips returned to the court for some limited action so the Marlins will only get better as she gets back into playing shape........ Please direct all posts to www.Itoldyouso.com  :) WAY TO GO MARLINS!!!!!!!!

(Yawn)  ::)     

Let me guess, still be in 2ND PLACE?

Somebody wake me up when the Mighty Marlins beat a team in the Top 25!  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 07, 2006, 10:23:07 AM
Nice 70-57 comeback win for Guilford over E&H last night!  Quakers were down 43-28 with 15 minutes to go, but had a 23-2 run to go up 51-45.  GC is now 3-0 in the conference and 4-4 overall.  Doubleheader at home with the Maroons on Saturday.  Women at 2 and men at 4.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 07, 2006, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: Llamaguy on December 07, 2006, 12:33:45 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 06, 2006, 11:36:06 PM
Let me see here, wins over Roanloke and Macon, that puts the MArlins in ummmm Oh yeah second ahead of both of those teams. S L O P P Y ball with 34 tunrovers tonight for the Marlins and still able to pull off the W. VWC shot 53% from the floor, just think what they might have done if they had not thrown the ball to the Jackets 34 times. Good nights again from Thurston, Ushinski, Dove, and Barrett. Also Heather Phillips returned to the court for some limited action so the Marlins will only get better as she gets back into playing shape........ Please direct all posts to www.Itoldyouso.com  :) WAY TO GO MARLINS!!!!!!!!

(Yawn)  ::)     

Let me guess, still be in 2ND PLACE?

Somebody wake me up when the Mighty Marlins beat a team in the Top 25!  ;)

Shhh, c'mon Llama ... let the Marlins be good at something when it comes to women's basketball.  They're good at home and bad on the road.

Last year, they went 9-1 at home in the ODAC, only 5-5 away from the Batten Center.  So far this year, 3-0 at home ... 0-1 on the road.

I'm sure they have February 10 circled (well, at least vwcbum does), but a very telling conference stretch for them will be the first week of 2007 on the road at W&L, E&H, and GC.

The Marlins will get their Top 25 competition against No. 22 Lake Forest in Hawaii on December 17.  The Eagles will also have a tough test in Hawaii against Siena Heights (8-1) who is currently receiving votes in the NAIA.org Division II poll.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 07, 2006, 09:25:01 PM
Just got back from the Ferrum-BC game.  WOW :o

I've never seen a team shoot that well.  I think it was with 6 minutes to go in the game, the Eagles were shooting 74% from the field (I was informed by the SID).  Unreal.  Everyone was on fire.  At one point, Scales and Timberlake were both 9-for-12 from the field.  Yes, both.  That mean they were a combined 18-of-24. :o

At the half, BC was up 51-30.  Ferrum had really quick guards (the twins really impressed me).  The Panthers had a nice squad, they just ran into a really hot Eagles team.  I loved at the end of the game the "statement sub" by BC.  I think we had gone out to a 26-point lead or so, and so we emptied the bench.  Well, Ferrum (as they probably should have - not quit) kept their starters in the remainder of the game and pressed our freshmen and sophomores.  The lead quickly went down to 12 or so ... then Coach Willi called the dogs back in with a minute left to break the press.  Great move ... I bet the Ferrum Coach was hoping he'd get to go home with it under 10 and make it look like they hung with us all night.

Anyway, great game for BC before they head off to Hawaii.  I think the final was 92-75.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pray4Surf on December 09, 2006, 05:40:18 PM
The Virginia Wesleyan Marlins beat RMWC 117 - 60!!! VWC shot 59.5% from the floor including 61.9% from beyond the 3 point arc. VWC was led by freshman Tonia Jones with 16 points. The marlins looked extremely good today and this seemed to be a good game to help them gear up for there Hoop N Surf classic against Lake Forest! Great Game Marlins!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on December 09, 2006, 06:05:22 PM
Every Marlin player in uniform scored, 10 different Marlins hit a three pointer, no one played more then 19 min in the game. If there is any such thing as a "classy a$$ kicking" that was it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on December 09, 2006, 10:17:18 PM
R-MC with the win over EMU tonight!!! Glad I could make the trip to Harrisonburg to see my girls play. The final score was 62-53. It was a good game overall -- the Jackets seem to be working together much better. I think the major thing they need to work on is their boxing out and crashing the boards. Other than that, things looked pretty good  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on December 09, 2006, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: Pray4Surf on December 09, 2006, 05:40:18 PM
The Virginia Wesleyan Marlins beat RMWC 117 - 60!!! VWC shot 59.5% from the floor including 61.9% from beyond the 3 point arc. VWC was led by freshman Tonia Jones with 16 points. The marlins looked extremely good today and this seemed to be a good game to help them gear up for there Hoop N Surf classic against Lake Forest! Great Game Marlins!!!

Interesting that BC & VWU both will be out there. Obviously they will be cheering for each other as well as getting a free scouting trip.  :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on December 10, 2006, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on December 09, 2006, 10:17:18 PM
R-MC with the win over EMU tonight!!! . The final score was 62-53. It was a good game overall -- the Jackets seem to be working together much better. I think the major thing they need to work on is their boxing out and crashing the boards. Other than that, things looked pretty good  :)

I think RMC is finding some chemistry after losing Silva and Orton.
I expect them to be one of the better ODAC teams by season end, but still think BC is the favorite this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on December 10, 2006, 12:28:14 PM
GC d. RC, 68-61 yesterday
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on December 13, 2006, 11:49:09 PM
The BC Eagles had an awesome week last week with two big wins over W&L and Ferrum!

They were recognized for that this week as Shannon Scales was named ODAC player of the week as she scored 25 points against W&L shooting 7-of-8 from three-point land, and scored 26 points against Ferrum hitting 3-of-4 from three-point land! She shot 71% for the week, including 83% from long range!

Katy Herr-Lovell was named to the d3Hoops National Team of the Week. Lovell had 19 points, 9 assists, and 5 steals against W&L, and finished the week with a double-double against Ferrum scoring 20 points and dishing out 10 assists. She also had 5 steals that game and shot 56% from the field for the week!

As a team, the Eagles improved to 5-0 on the year and moved up two spots in the d3Hoops rankings to #17 in the nation.

The Eagles leave tonight (or tomorrow morning rather) at 2:30 in the morning for Hawaii where they will play in the Hoop and Surf Basketball Classic!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: swiss on December 16, 2006, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on December 13, 2006, 11:49:09 PM
They were recognized for that this week as Shannon Scales was named ODAC player of the week as she scored 25 points against W&L shooting 7-of-8 from three-point land, and scored 26 points against Ferrum hitting 3-of-4 from three-point land! She shot 71% for the week, including 83% from long range!

Does she always shoot like that?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on December 17, 2006, 01:49:03 PM
For the season Shannon Scales is shooting 64% (18-for-28) from three-point range and for the season she is shooting 53% (33-for-62).

She has always been one of Bridgewater's top shooters in her four years as an Eagle, but this season she is off to an especially hot start.

The Eagles have several weapons that have the potential to get hot, and that is what makes them dangerous.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on December 17, 2006, 05:22:14 PM
Bridgewater         58

Sienna Heights    44

The Eagles improve to 6-0 after knocking off NAIA school Sienna Heights. With the loss Sienna Heights goes to 9-2 on the year.

Amy Childs led Bridgewater with 14 points (the 4th different Eagle to lead BC in scoring this year) while Shannon Scales and Katy Herr Lovell each chipped in 12 points.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on December 17, 2006, 06:02:48 PM
Roanoke   50
Adrian       65

Roanoke drops to 3-5 on the year after losing today to Adrian at the Fort Lauderdale Tournament.

Erin Hanson once again led Roanoke as she was the only Maroon in double digits, 16 points and 11 rebounds. Hanson, however, was cold from the floor shooting as she shot only 29% (5-for-17).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on December 17, 2006, 08:07:17 PM
Okay...so we know how BC and RC did in their respective tournament openers....how about VWC? Any one know any results?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pray4Surf on December 17, 2006, 10:12:27 PM
VWC lost not sure what the score was though
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on December 18, 2006, 12:07:07 AM
Lake Forest  80
VA Wes         56
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 18, 2006, 09:59:11 AM
The BC-SH box score is linked after the story on the Bridgewater site:

http://bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=856

Herr Lovell finished with 12 points, 10 rebounds, 7 steals and 4 assists.

The Eagles didn't start pulling away until five minutes left in the game.  They did so even though they shot only 2-of-14 from behind the arc (Scales was 0-for-8).  The BC defense held Siena Heights to 29% shooting from the floor, and forced them into 25 turnovers.

BC will have another big test against George Fox today.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on December 18, 2006, 10:54:46 AM
That is now three double-doubles for Katy Herr Lovell so far on the season....and two other games she just barely missed hitting a double-double (vs. W&L 19 pnts and 9 assists, and then vs. EMU 11 pnts. 9 rebounds)

Pretty good start to the season I'd say


And Erin Hanson is having a tremendous start also for Roanoke....too bad the Maroons are struggling thus far
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on December 19, 2006, 03:39:16 AM
Bridgewater falls to George Fox 57-41 for their first loss of the season in Hawaii.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 19, 2006, 08:13:14 AM
Quote from: Llamaguy on December 19, 2006, 03:39:16 AM
Bridgewater falls to George Fox 57-41 for their first loss of the season in Hawaii.

Bound to happen at some point.  Better out of conference than in.

I'm sure Coach Willi, Justice and Wade will have these girls learn from this loss and be ready to roll come January 3.

I give local teams like VWC, CNU and BC a lot of credit for traveling so far for games on back-to-back nights.  I'm sure it's tough to get your body ready only a day after being there.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: swiss on December 19, 2006, 10:07:59 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 19, 2006, 08:13:14 AM
Quote from: Llamaguy on December 19, 2006, 03:39:16 AM
Bridgewater falls to George Fox 57-41 for their first loss of the season in Hawaii.

I'm sure it's tough to get your body ready only a day after being there.

Do you suppose that was the difference?  GFU played the day before and lost to UW-Whitewater, but GFU dominated the boards against BC 42 to 27.  Is that BC's weakness?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on December 19, 2006, 10:49:24 AM


Quote from: swiss on December 19, 2006, 10:07:59 AM
Do you suppose that was the difference?  GFU played the day before and lost to UW-Whitewater, but GFU dominated the boards against BC 42 to 27.  Is that BC's weakness?

Bridgewater has done a decent job on the boards, but yes, if you want to point out a weakness that might be one of their few.

In their 7 games this season they have outrebounded four of the teams they played, and have been outrebounded in three of the games. This most recent game against George Fox they were outrebounded badly, but also badly undersized. George Fox has 6 girls on their roster that are 6'0 or taller. Also, Bridgewater has been without their only six-footer, Becca Henderson, until this tournament where she has only seen limited minutes.

Bridgewater played awful it sounds like against George Fox, but Matt is right, hopefully they will use this positively and be ready to get back at it starting in January.

Great start to the season ladies!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 19, 2006, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: swiss on December 19, 2006, 10:07:59 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 19, 2006, 08:13:14 AM
Quote from: Llamaguy on December 19, 2006, 03:39:16 AM
Bridgewater falls to George Fox 57-41 for their first loss of the season in Hawaii.

I'm sure it's tough to get your body ready only a day after being there.

Do you suppose that was the difference?  GFU played the day before and lost to UW-Whitewater, but GFU dominated the boards against BC 42 to 27.  Is that BC's weakness?

Our starting center has only played in the last two games ... three minutes against Siena and eight against George.  Having her back and healthy come the stretch run will certainly help.

Seeing that George Fox is in Oregon, and VWC, BC and CNU are in Virginia, they have a lot shorter trip to Hawai'i than the VA schools did.  Not saying that's the only reason we lost ... but I'm sure it played a part.  We only turned the ball over 12 times (to George Fox's 23) ... we just couldn't shoot (which is uncharacteristic).  So I'd definitely say we just didn't have any legs.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on December 19, 2006, 11:25:09 AM
BTW, the story and box score are posted on BC's site:

http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=856
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 19, 2006, 03:45:17 PM
There were four Va teams there Matt    ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 28, 2006, 06:47:49 PM
RMC wins today out in CA in the Surf City Classic 70-68 against Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.  They play Vanguard University of CA next on Saturday (currently ranked #1 in the NAIA DI with 7-0 record).  Live stats from game only available until next game starts at 10:30 tonight.

http://www.vanguard.edu/athletics/wbasketball/detail.aspx?doc_id=11890 (http://www.vanguard.edu/athletics/wbasketball/detail.aspx?doc_id=11890)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on December 30, 2006, 06:52:25 PM
RMC beat bad by Vanguard 94-62. :'(  Hard to make a comparison here. Vanguard is 8-0, rated #1 in NAIA Division I ( schloarship program). Comparable to NCAA Div I or II ? Lot of 6 footers on team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 01, 2007, 12:34:37 PM
GAVA, here is an excerpt from a post today by Pat Coleman on the Midwest SLIAC men's board regarding the relationship between NAIA D1 and NCAA D3. I would imagine the same applies to women's teams.

"The thing about the NAIA divisions is that they are not very large. There are fewer than 100 teams total in NAIA Division I -- 88 listed on the NAIA site, in fact. A top 25 of NAIA Division I would be like if we ranked a Top 80 or so of D-III.

The top 5 or so in NAIA Division I are normally considered unwinnable games for D-IIIs. But the rest, ehh, not so much."
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 01, 2007, 04:21:03 PM
 

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D3 vs.

D1....0-31
D2....6-54
NAIA 1....18-31
NAIA 2....64-49
NCCAA 1....5-5
NCCAA 2....27-4
USCAA....34-17
Other....38-4

(Totals through 12/21)

From the men's boards. While the NAIA are small ( about 100 school ) divisions, the DI offers athletic scholarships and the players tend to be bigger and better than NCAA D3.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 07:36:59 PM
Both levels of the NAIA offer scholarships.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: roaring0506 on January 01, 2007, 08:01:52 PM
NAIA D-1 offer 10 scholarships... NAIA D-2 offers 6 scholarships.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 01, 2007, 08:23:17 PM
Full scholarships or partial scholarships?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 08:39:59 PM
I am pretty sure they can split them up however they like. That's pretty standard procedure.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 02, 2007, 08:33:42 PM
Washington and Lee currently down 20 points - cannot handle Marlins intense pressure.  Turnovers, turnovers.......Two teams with a great deal of talent don't look very equal.  VWC looking good in the new year.  The streak continues.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 05, 2007, 01:58:26 PM
Katy Herr Lovell is just 8 points away from scoring her 1,000th point for her career.

She also recorded her fourth double-double of the season on Wednesday against RMWC as she had 10 points and 10 rebounds.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 05, 2007, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on January 05, 2007, 01:58:26 PM
Katy Herr Lovell is just 8 points away from scoring her 1,000th point for her career.

She also recorded her fourth double-double of the season on Wednesday against RMWC as she had 10 points and 10 rebounds.

And on that note, Caroline Wesley needs 9 points for 1,000 points.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 05, 2007, 09:52:20 PM
Katy Herr Lovell now has 1,002 career points as she scored 10 points against Hollins in an 83-22 blowout in Bridgewater's favor.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 05, 2007, 10:02:00 PM
Congratulations to Katy!

Bridgewater has been able to use their full roster of 15 their past two games. Wednesday BC had 14 players score against RMWC and tonight BC had all 15 girls score. Kristen Bosserman, a freshmen who sees very limited minutes, led Bridgewater in playing time tonight with 22 minutes, no one else played over 20 minutes.

The Eagles will get a tougher test tomorrow as they play @ Lynchburg.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 05, 2007, 10:07:55 PM
and caroline wesley now has 1,010 points in her career after scoring 19 tonight.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 05, 2007, 10:23:05 PM
Eventful night tonight in the ODAC.....Here's the news.....

EMU70
LC 55

Caroline Wesley scores 1,000th point as she records double-double with 19 points and 11 rebounds. Caroline Riley leads the Royals with 16 points.

BC83
HU22

Katy Herr Lovell scores 1,00th point of her career as all 15 players for Bridgewater score.

RC63
W&L52

Erin Hanson recorded her 9th double-double of the season as the Maroons pull to .500 (5-5 3-3) on the year.

VWC78
E&H45

The Marlins hand E&H their third ODAC loss.

RMC76
GC 67

Randolph Macon, led by Lindsay Riesbeck's 21 points, brought Guilford back down to Earth handing the Quakers their first ODAC loss of the season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 06, 2007, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on January 05, 2007, 09:52:20 PM
Katy Herr Lovell now has 1,002 career points as she scored 10 points against Hollins in an 83-22 blowout in Bridgewater's favor.

IMO, more amazing is her career rebounding total.

She's 5-foot-4 (with heels on), she brings the ball up court on most plays, and she has still pulled down 567 rebounds in her career (that's through yesterday's Hollins' game).  That ranks her thirteenth all-time at Bridgewater ... and she still has 20+ games to go.  If she keeps up her pace, she would likely finish in the top five.  Amazing.

Thanks to Steve Cox (BC's SID), there are now archived stats on the new BC site (http://bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=907) ... it looks like Shannon Scales is closing in on 1,000 points, with 951 for her career.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 06, 2007, 11:20:53 AM
Katy Herr Lovell also has 389 assists all-time, which ranks her 5th in that category at Bridgewater.

Lovell also has 303 steals while at BC, but how does that rank her? It doesn't show up on the BC website as they don't list steals. Matt, do you know?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on January 06, 2007, 11:27:50 AM
Last night two of the ODAC's best stars, Caroline Wesley and Katy Herr Lovell both reached 1,000 points for their careers!

I started watching Katy play while she was at Lee High and I was new to the area, and boy was she fun to watch in high school. Some people might not know this, but while at R.E. Lee Katy set 23 school records and maintained a 4.2 GPA! She has also had her jersey retired, so if you ever want to see it displayed and read about all of her achievements you need just drive over to Staunton and stop by the Paul Hatcher Gymnasium to see it.

Also, my brother lives in the Baltimore area and used to watch Caroline Wesley play for Notre Dame High, so it was quite fun for the two of us to see players we used to watch on the high school hard woods hit such a great milestone on the same night!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 06, 2007, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 06, 2007, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on January 05, 2007, 09:52:20 PM
Katy Herr Lovell now has 1,002 career points as she scored 10 points against Hollins in an 83-22 blowout in Bridgewater's favor.

IMO, more amazing is her career rebounding total.

She's 5-foot-4 (with heels on), she brings the ball up court on most plays, and she has still pulled down 567 rebounds in her career (that's through yesterday's Hollins' game).  That ranks her thirteenth all-time at Bridgewater ... and she still has 20+ games to go.  If she keeps up her pace, she would likely finish in the top five.  Amazing.

Thanks to Steve Cox (BC's SID), there are now archived stats on the new BC site (http://bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=907) ... it looks like Shannon Scales is closing in on 1,000 points, with 951 for her career.

The funny thing about Katy's 567 rebounds, is that puts her just 13 boards behind Bridgewater Coach Jean Willi, who has 580 career rebounds while at Bridgewater and is 11th all-time at the school.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 06, 2007, 05:00:18 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on January 06, 2007, 11:42:06 AM

The funny thing about Katy's 567 rebounds, is that puts her just 13 boards behind Bridgewater Coach Jean Willi, who has 580 career rebounds while at Bridgewater and is 11th all-time at the school.


But I bet Coach Willi will be quick to point out that in her era there were much better shooters, thus many fewer rebounds to be had, LOL!  :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 06, 2007, 06:11:45 PM
Bridgewater built a 38-17 halftime lead over Lynchburg on their way to a 75-57 win.

Tough shooting day for Katy Herr Lovell (2-for-10), but she still had 12 points (8-for-8 FTs), seven assists, and five rebounds.  Jessica Timberlake had another great game with 16 points (7-for-10 FGs) and five steals.

The Eagles were killed on the offensive glass (19 to 7), but made up for it by forcing 30 Hornet turnovers and holding them to 33% shooting from the field.

Bridgewater (9-1, 6-0) now comes home for four straight games.  Looking forward to seeing them in
Nininger the next two weeks!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 06, 2007, 06:15:51 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on January 06, 2007, 11:20:53 AM
Katy Herr Lovell also has 389 assists all-time, which ranks her 5th in that category at Bridgewater.

Lovell also has 303 steals while at BC, but how does that rank her? It doesn't show up on the BC website as they don't list steals. Matt, do you know?

Good question.  I'm not sure myself.  I'll try to find out next week for you.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 07, 2007, 01:44:36 PM
I was able to see Lynchburg vs. Bridgewater yesterday, and man, what a tough Lynchburg squad. I do not think their 2-7 record is very representative of their talent. However, at the beginning of the season I had talked to some Lynchburg fans who were very excited about this recruiting class and had said that the Hornets' had several freshmen who had been given D-1 looks. I don't really see that, and I don't understand why you would go from getting looked at by D-1 to Lynchburg?

I think Lynchburg will be tough this year, but I don't think they'll do much, if anything, in the post season.

I was also impressed with Coach Tobey, it seemed like she kept her players enthusiastic and motivated the whole game, even when they were down by over 20 points.

It'll be interesting to see what this group does in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 07, 2007, 02:27:35 PM
4 of them came out of Richmond, and I think they were all on the same AAU team, but I think only one would have gotten any DI looks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 07, 2007, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on January 07, 2007, 01:44:36 PM
I was able to see Lynchburg vs. Bridgewater yesterday, and man, what a tough Lynchburg squad. I do not think their 2-7 record is very representative of their talent. However, at the beginning of the season I had talked to some Lynchburg fans who were very excited about this recruiting class and had said that the Hornets' had several freshmen who had been given D-1 looks. I don't really see that, and I don't understand why you would go from getting looked at by D-1 to Lynchburg?

I think Lynchburg will be tough this year, but I don't think they'll do much, if anything, in the post season.

I was also impressed with Coach Tobey, it seemed like she kept her players enthusiastic and motivated the whole game, even when they were down by over 20 points.

It'll be interesting to see what this group does in a couple of years.

Katy Herr Lovell got some D1 looks as well when she was a senior in highschool, but decided instead to go to Bridgewater which had just finished their season in the 02-03 campaign at 11-16. She made an immediate impact at BC as she led the Eagles in her freshmen season to a 22-6 record and a regular season first place finish.

The recruits at Lynchburg, whether they were given D1 looks or not, came to a team that had finished the previous year at 10-15.

So, you ask if they were recruited D1 why go somewhere like Lynchburg? Well Katy could have been asked the same question, but look at the results of her decision. She stayed close to home and has her parents at every game, she gets to play lots of minutes, and she has turned Bridgewater around.

There are a lot of positives of going D3 instead of D1, and I'm sure these Lynchburg freshmen were coming in here hoping to also turn Lynchburg's program around, which they just might some day.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 07, 2007, 05:10:35 PM
As far as Possible D1 kids going D3, it's happened with the men's team at LC. Steven Echols received several D1 scholarship offers, now he's at LC, has established himself as one of the best, if not the best, freshman in the ODAC, an will surely get well over 1,000 points in his carrer. Oh and he has helped turn a 3-22 team into a team that is 6-6. Now if he had gone D1, he probably wouldn't have even gotten into a game yet.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on January 07, 2007, 07:49:14 PM
Fairmont1113:  Getting some "D1 looks" does not mean you could have gone D1.  As amazing a player as Katie Herr is - she could not go D1 because of her height.  That does not diminish her talent, but many different factors go into the D1 formula.  Besides, some players like to be big fish in little ponds - i.e. Megan Silva.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 07, 2007, 09:08:03 PM
I haven't been on in a while, just enjoying the holidays. I get back excited to see the talk on the board and all I see is blah, blah, blah Bridgewater, blah,blah, Katie herr.  I know, I know there just isn't that much to do around BC so you guys just sit at home on your computers and talk back and fourth to each other but lets try incorporate some other teams in the conversation. How about VWC!  In case you haven't noticed and judging by the conversation you haven't The Mighty Marlins are 10-3 overall and 7-1 in the conference. Having beaten Macon, Noke, E&H, Guilford, W&L X2 and well the women's college. No the Marlins don't have any 1,000 point scorers and I don't know about any DI players, although with 327 D1 schools and AAU ball I am sure just about anyone can get a "D1 look".  So lets just say with 15 players who got D1 looks the Marlins are looking good. The stats from Guilford have not been added in to the team stats at this time but after the E&H game the marlins had 3 players averaging 10 ppg followed by 5 others averaging 5 or more points. And that's just the thing, while none of the Marlins get the bug head lines you can't beat VWC by shutting down just 1 player because they have figured out how to play as a team. So you probably won't see too many Marlins on the all conference team at the end of the year, there is a good chance that none of these Marlins will score 1,000 points, and none of you narrow sighted people will write about any of them on these posts but they have it figured out here at the beach. Are the Marlins going to win the rest of their games? I don't know, I am guessing that someone will get them again along the way, the conference is pretty tough, but come tournament time I think this TEAM will be ready to knock off all of your super star players.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on January 07, 2007, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on January 07, 2007, 09:08:03 PM
, while none of the Marlins get the bug head lines

LOL, here is to no ODAC players getting the 'bug' headlines! 

Just messing with you since you are tired of the BC jibjab
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 07, 2007, 09:26:56 PM
Thanks for the help EMUFAN, you guys had a big win at lynchburg this weekend.  Maybe the Royals need some more posts on the board!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on January 07, 2007, 11:24:57 PM
I am very excited about VWC's success thus far this year, and its good to see some other posts other then BC. It does seem like there are a lot of BC posts (I have posted some about BC because I now live up this way and make it to those games) but just because BC fans are enthusiastic and post up doesn't mean people need to degrade that fact. Katy Herr just hit a big mile stone so people are mentioning that and giving her some praise. I have to say, vwcbeachbum, you do VWC shame for being as immature as your posts imply that you are.

It would be nice for some other schools to start posting up a little bit. Last year this board was still dominated by BC fans, but there were also a ton of RMC fans. I am not sure where everyone has gone, but who cares that BC fans are using this board to talk about their school. Is that not one of the reasons for this board??
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 07, 2007, 11:40:46 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on January 07, 2007, 09:08:03 PM
I haven't been on in a while, just enjoying the holidays. I get back excited to see the talk on the board and all I see is blah, blah, blah Bridgewater, blah,blah, Katie herr. 

What is funny is that your posts are the ones that sound like "blah blah blah."

None of your posts have been positive, you always have to bicker about something.  I guess that brings you amusement or something. There is a word for people like you.....you can figure that out yourself.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 08, 2007, 12:00:27 AM
Quote from: waterlucy on January 07, 2007, 07:49:14 PM
Fairmont1113:  Getting some "D1 looks" does not mean you could have gone D1.  As amazing a player as Katie Herr is - she could not go D1 because of her height.  That does not diminish her talent, but many different factors go into the D1 formula.  Besides, some players like to be big fish in little ponds - i.e. Megan Silva.

You say that Katy Herr could not have gone D1 because of her height, and you say that with such confidence. How do you have the "know how" in college basketball recruiting to make that call? Despite her height Katy has led BC in rebounding the past two years!

Katy was given more then D1 looks, she was offered the chance to play at several small D1 schools but turned them down to be close to home and family, and also so she could have the chance to see playing time. At a D1 program Katy might not have seen very much of the floor, but we will never know?

Every division of basketball needs big fish, even D3. Megan Silva was an amazing player who was very good for our conference. She, also, could have gone D1, but chose to play in a venue where she would be able to play alot of minutes. Its called making that decision so you have a chance to play the game you love, not solely making that decision so you can dominate.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 08, 2007, 01:20:24 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on January 07, 2007, 09:08:03 PM
Are the Marlins going to win the rest of their games? I don't know, I am guessing that someone will get them again along the way, the conference is pretty tough, but come tournament time I think this TEAM will be ready to knock off all of your super star players.


OHHHHH please ...lets don't start that up again this year.  We heard that all season long last year and the Marlins didn't win the season, and didn't win the tourney... and aren't going to win either this year either. PERIOD. >:(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 08, 2007, 01:25:59 AM


Katy was given more then D1 looks, she was offered the chance to play at several small D1 schools but turned them down to be close to home and family, and also so she could have the chance to see playing time. At a D1 program Katy might not have seen very much of the floor, but we will never know?

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Shorter than 5'8" and you are rarely going to get any meaningful playing time at any significant DI programs. Since you aren't shooting for proball there is much wisdom staying close to family, getting a great education, and playing lots more ball for four more years. ;)   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 08, 2007, 11:16:21 AM

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None of your posts have been positive, you always have to bicker about something.  I guess that brings you amusement or something. There is a word for people like you.....you can figure that out yourself.
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At least my posts get a reaction and get people talking. Isn't that what this board is all about. Talking about the ODAC. If you guys want to have a board just for BC I am sure that can be done. But until then at least I am getting a rise out of people  ;D

How many D1 Players does EMU have EMUFAN? Because they sure smacked the D1 Lynchburg kids pretty hard.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 08, 2007, 05:55:45 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on January 07, 2007, 05:10:35 PM
As far as Possible D1 kids going D3, it's happened with the men's team at LC. Steven Echols received several D1 scholarship offers, now he's at LC, has established himself as one of the best, if not the best, freshman in the ODAC, an will surely get well over 1,000 points in his carrer. Oh and he has helped turn a 3-22 team into a team that is 6-6. Now if he had gone D1, he probably wouldn't have even gotten into a game yet.

Hottie,
I would agree with one of the best and maybe the best in the ODAC by seasons end. Dominic Trawick is currently the third leading scorer in the ODAC at 19.8pts/gm. Echols has more assists and a better FT % & 3pt % by mere percentage points. I would have to say Trawick is in the lead now, but the season is still young. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on January 08, 2007, 06:27:10 PM
I understand that Katy Herr is a great player but I don't think you can put her and Megan Silva in the same category. Megan Silva got big time D1 looks and could have actually player D1. Saying a player like Katy Herr got D1 looks is much different because she was not, and still is not at the level that Megan Silva was at. I think that Silva is the only recent player to go through the ODAC from my knowledge and memory that had the capability to play D1.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 08, 2007, 07:53:02 PM
Except for points (Silva averaged twice as many shots per game than Herr Lovell), their career stats aren't that far off.  What is most amazing is that they both have started every game since stepping onto their respective campuses, and have both won a combined 80% of their games as the floor generals.

Congrats to both for their amazing careers.  We're lucky we are able to still witness one of them!


Megan Silva
Katy Herr Lovell
Randolph-Macon
School
Bridgewater
5-foot-9
Height
5-foot-4
-----------------------
-----------------------
2002-2006
Years
2003-present
121-121
GP-GS
95-95
98-23 (81.0%)
Record (Win%)
75-20 (78.9%)
873-1799 (48.5%)
Field Goals (%)
336-849 (39.6%)
526-689 (76.3%)
Free Throws (%)
240-316 (75.9%)
101-266 (38.0%)
Three-Pointers (%)
102-319 (32.0%)
2371 (19.6)
Points (Avg)
1014 (10.7)
556 (4.6)
Rebounds (Avg)
572 (6.0)
700 (5.9)
Assists (Avg)
400 (4.2)
446 (3.7)
Steals (Avg)
307 (3.2)
34 (0.3)
Blocks (Avg)
19 (0.2)
460 (3.8 )
Turnovers (Avg)
230 (2.4)
-----------------------
-----------------------
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 08, 2007, 09:40:16 PM
Quote from: baller116 on January 08, 2007, 06:27:10 PM
I understand that Katy Herr is a great player but I don't think you can put her and Megan Silva in the same category. Megan Silva got big time D1 looks and could have actually player D1. Saying a player like Katy Herr got D1 looks is much different because she was not, and still is not at the level that Megan Silva was at. I think that Silva is the only recent player to go through the ODAC from my knowledge and memory that had the capability to play D1.


When was anyone putting the two players in the same category, other then saying both got D1 looks? Which, they both did. I am not sure what Silva was offered, but Katy was given several chances at partial scholarships to play D1.  She is a short player, but her hustle and intensity negate her height, just look at how she is getting ready to move into the top 10 all time at BC in rebounding.

Silva was an AMAZING player, no doubt about that. However, no one was ever putting them on the same level other then to speak about both of their decisions to go D3 to stay close to family and be given a chance to play.

You say Silva could have actually been a good D1 player, implying Herr Lovell could not have. That's a bold and cocky statement, and one that we will never know because as amazing as Silva was, she was a D3 player and that is what she, as well as Herr Lovell, will remain.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 08, 2007, 10:47:12 PM
Blah Blah Blah Megan Silva Blah Blah Blah Katie Herr ....................
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 08, 2007, 11:48:45 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 08, 2007, 07:53:02 PM
Except for points (Silva averaged twice as many shots per game than Herr Lovell), their career stats aren't that far off.  What is most amazing is that they both have started every game since stepping onto their respective campuses, and have both won a combined 80% of their games as the floor generals.

Congrats to both for their amazing careers.  We're lucky we are able to still witness one of them!


Megan Silva
Katy Herr Lovell
Randolph-Macon
School
Bridgewater
5-foot-9
Height
5-foot-4
-----------------------
-----------------------
2002-2006
Years
2003-present
121-121
GP-GS
95-95
98-23 (81.0%)
Record (Win%)
75-20 (78.9%)
873-1799 (48.5%)
Field Goals (%)
336-849 (39.6%)
526-689 (76.3%)
Free Throws (%)
240-316 (75.9%)
101-266 (38.0%)
Three-Pointers (%)
102-319 (32.0%)
2371 (19.6)
Points (Avg)
1014 (10.7)
556 (4.6)
Rebounds (Avg)
572 (6.0)
700 (5.9)
Assists (Avg)
400 (4.2)
446 (3.7)
Steals (Avg)
307 (3.2)
34 (0.3)
Blocks (Avg)
19 (0.2)
460 (3.8 )
Turnovers (Avg)
230 (2.4)
-----------------------
-----------------------


Silva 5" 9" ??????  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D  Did you ever see her Matt?....and a MUCH MUCH better player 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 09, 2007, 12:29:11 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 08, 2007, 11:48:45 PM
Silva 5" 9" ??????  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D  Did you ever see her Matt?....and a MUCH MUCH better player 

I accidentally took Merkel's height from the 2005-06 roster.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacblogger on January 09, 2007, 01:49:39 PM
January 9
EMU at W&L (7:00 p.m.)
GC at LC (7:00 p.m.)
HU at E&H (7:00 p.m.)
RC at BC (7:00 p.m.)

Any thoughts on the outcome of these games? 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: upper90 on January 09, 2007, 02:10:32 PM
until katy herr lovell gets national player of the year, wins a few ODAC championships, and is a 2 time all-american, i think comparisons should be avoided.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 09, 2007, 02:17:12 PM
Quote from: baller116 on January 08, 2007, 06:27:10 PM
I think that Silva is the only recent player to go through the ODAC from my knowledge and memory that had the capability to play D1.

What about Marsha Kinder? She was very impressive.

http://www.d3hoops.com/springfield/06/kinder.htm

You sell D-3 players short. I have seen a number of D-1 women players who would not shine on the better D-3 teams.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 09, 2007, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: upper90 on January 09, 2007, 02:10:32 PM
until katy herr lovell gets national player of the year, wins a few ODAC championships, and is a 2 time all-american, i think comparisons should be avoided.

I'm having trouble understanding why Silva and Herr Lovell can't be compared?

I took a statistical approach ... and when done, you can't say they aren't close in production.  No one is saying Herr Lovell is "better" than Silva.  But I also won't say Silva is "better" than Herr Lovell.  That's simply a subjective opinion.

Individual awards will always be subjective, so the fact that Silva earned Player of the Year and All-America honors won't sway me.  I do realize R-MC won three ODAC crowns w/ Silva, but Bridgewater did finish runner-up two of those years w/ Herr Lovell.

Simply put, I think we should celebrate both point guards for what they've accomplished.  Starting every game and winning 80% of the time they stepped on the court.  Very impressive, no matter what awards they have earned or conference titles won.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 09, 2007, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: odacblogger on January 09, 2007, 01:49:39 PM
January 9
EMU at W&L (7:00 p.m.)
GC at LC (7:00 p.m.)
HU at E&H (7:00 p.m.)
RC at BC (7:00 p.m.)

Any thoughts on the outcome of these games? 

RC at BC - The Maroons have played within eight points of VWC, R-MC, GC, and EMU, with Erin Hanson being the key to their success.  When she scores 20+, they're 4-0.  When she scores less than 20, they're 1-5.  If BC can force her into bad decisions, the Eagles should be alright.  Hanson is averaging 5.2 turnovers in Roanoke's five losses. Bridgewater 67, Roanoke 58

HU at E&H - It's Hollins ... enough said.  Emory & Henry 75, Hollins 42

GC at LC - Two teams who combine for only three seniors and no juniors.  Lots of youth, but the Quakers have been playing better with their five-game win streak ending with a nine-point loss to R-MC and a 10-point loss to VWC.  I think this will be a close one with Caroline Wesley keeping the Hornets in it w/ Guilford's lack of height.  Freshman PG Kristina Darby is a turnover machine (4.9 a game) and will keep Lynchburg from winning. Guilford 58, Lynchburg 52

EMU at W&L - Two of the better defensive and rebounding teams in the conference, with W&L's Jessica Hunsinger and EMU's Carolyn Riley leading the way for both clubs.  I think Hunsinger's presence in the middle will force EMU to shoot from outside, and if Mandee Madden, Ebony Dennis, or Riley get hot early, it could be lights out. Eastern Mennonite 62, Washington & Lee 54
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 09, 2007, 04:17:28 PM
Roanoke knows how to apply pressure and works very well with Erin Hansen and the rest of their resources - but Bridgewater is just too strong.
Emory & Henry hasn't really been that competitive this year - but like you say - it is Hollins.
Guilford over Lynchburg - turnovers!
EMU is doing pretty well this year, and W & L is looking pretty weak.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 09, 2007, 06:07:57 PM
Bridgewater over Roanoke

E&H over Hollins

Lynchburg over Guilford

W&L over EMU


thanks for the post odacblogger!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 09, 2007, 10:03:03 PM
RC 69, BC 67
Release says BC came out cold - didn't score until 10:39 to go in the 1st half; and RC's Hanson blocked a Herr Lovell shot with 2 seconds to go that would have tied the game.

I think the tourney this year will be up for grabs depending on who is cold and who is hot come tourney time. 

There goes the prospect of another team going undefeated for the season.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 09, 2007, 10:18:56 PM
I was at the BC-RC game tonight.  Kudos to Roanoke for shooting out of the gates strong (took a 20-4 lead) and never looked back.  The Eagles missed their first 16 shots of the game, and could never get it going on the defensive end until the last 10 minutes of the game.

I was impressed by the play of Long and Osborne.  Long seemed like she couldn't miss, and Osborne gave Herr Lovell trouble all night.

Attempting to find a bright side to a conference loss (at home), the Eagles were down 53-34 with 14:18 to go in the game, and brought it back to 66-65 with three minutes left and then 68-67 with a minute remaining.  Way to hang in there even though their shots weren't falling.  Amy Childs led the furious comeback with 17 points in the second half.

Again, congrats to Roanoke.

Box Score: http://www.bridgewater.edu/Sports/features/whoops0607/07WBBRC1.HTM
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 09, 2007, 11:06:15 PM
Anyone know how many roanoke players had D1 looks?  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 09, 2007, 11:14:00 PM
Am I going to lose Karma for that? Congratulations to Roanoke for a big win, makes things exciting at the top of the leader board
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 10, 2007, 02:29:23 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 09, 2007, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: upper90 on January 09, 2007, 02:10:32 PM
until katy herr lovell gets national player of the year, wins a few ODAC championships, and is a 2 time all-american, i think comparisons should be avoided.

I'm having trouble understanding why Silva and Herr Lovell can't be compared?

I took a statistical approach ... and when done, you can't say they aren't close in production.  No one is saying Herr Lovell is "better" than Silva.  But I also won't say Silva is "better" than Herr Lovell.  That's simply a subjective opinion.


Matt you are the one being subjective. look at those stats. Twice as many points, twice as many assists, twice as many steals. Silva is the all time record holder for ODAC in all 3 categories. She is the all time leading men or women's scorer in ODAC history. She was D3 POY. She is the best woman to EVER have played ODAC. She is in a class of one, above all the other great players including Herr. And I expect she will remain there for a decade or more.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 10, 2007, 07:41:59 AM
I can't take it any more. Let's just all agree that Silva and Herr are the greatest players ever to play basketball at any level. In fact I don't know how the ODAC will survive once Herr graduates this year. It will be like watching a bad jv basketball game because there are no other athletes at any of the other ODAC schools. Maybe to save everyone the pain and suffering we should consider folding all the ODAC women's basketball programs. I mean really what will the point be to play. The money saved can be added back into the schools other sports. We can just invite Megan and Katie back to play in a one-on-one exhibition game and everyone can sit in awe of them. Another option the ODAC should consider, if they decide to keep women's bball after this season is to rename the ODAC the Silva Herr-Lovell Athletic Conference (The SHLAC that has kind of a nice ring to it). Or, heaven forbid, they ever decide to split the ODAC into two divisions we can have the Silva Division and the Herr-Lovell Division. I don't want to take anything away from either of these players, obviously Megan Silva was a class act and in a class of her own, and Katie is a very good basketball player (Sorry that is all I am giving her), but open your eyes people there are LOTS of very talented players in this conference!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 10, 2007, 08:28:54 AM
GAVA,

You're certainly entitled to your own opinion.  I'm sure there are a lot of posters/readers that agree with you.  Silva was a great player, no question.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 10, 2007, 08:51:26 AM
vwcbeachbum,

I know what I'm about to say is painfully obvious to every reader of this thread, but most of your posts are not constructive.

Debating if a player is great, or why a team is superior, is the very thing that drives these threads.  But there's a way to do it.  For instance, GAVA and I can disagree on a topic, but I think we mutually respect one anothers opinions.

Just curious as to how you think being deliberately sarcastic with your posts will get meaningful reaction out of anyone?  This very post right here by me isn't even meaningful.  I'm sure I'll even lose karma for pointing out the obvious.  But after you last couple posts, I'm starting to think you are ignorant to your ill-bred comments.

I think I've said this before, but perhaps it's worth repeating.  I know you probably careless what others think about you and your posts (in an odd way, you probably enjoy this kind of attention), but it's pretty likely you are just embarrassing the rest of the Marlin fan base.  If Coach Dunmyer even checks this thread, I'm sure she isn't too "proud" that one of her few vocal fans is so coarse.  I suspect you don't even care.

Anyway, just thought I'd state the obvious.  Knowing your posting history, I'm pretty confident you'll respond with something sarcastic.  If so, I'll simply join the many who scroll past your posts.  And that would be sad seeing that the Marlins are having a great year and you actually have a lot of good things to say about them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 10, 2007, 09:12:03 AM
QuoteAnd that would be sad seeing that the Marlins are having a great year and you actually have a lot of good things to say about them.

How can anyone get a word in edge wise about any other team that doesn't involve Megan Silva or Katie Herr-Lovell. The Marlins don't have any 1,000 point scorers, anyone leading any statistical category in the ODAC, no one claiming to be a D1 prospect, they had ONE 2nd team all conference player last year (Heather Phillips) and she is just now starting to get back into the line up after an early season injury and yet they have found a way to be 10-3 and have 1 conference loss.  That is what is most unfortunate about most of the posters on this board. If they can't see it in the stat line they can't see it at all. Throw your stat sheets away and just sit back and watch a game. I don't need a bunch of stats read off to me to know that Megan Silva was a great player, I don't need to see her numbers next to Katie Herr's to know that Katie is a good basketball player. If you put Katie's numbers next to anyone on the VWC roster she blows them away and somehow the Marlins find themselves in a tie for first place and somehow Roanoke was able to defeat the Eagles last night. The point is there are MANY outstanding players in this conference on every team and this board continues to discuss only two, one of which is no longer playing. Lets be thankful that we had the chance to see Megan Silva play, enjoy watching Katie Herr finish her career and realize that, amazingly enough,  life in the ODAC will go on without either of them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on January 10, 2007, 10:53:15 AM
Once again....vwcbeachbum....I am embarrassed to say I am from the same area as you are (assuming you are from the VA Beach area).

VWC is playing awesome, and it would be great if there were more VWC people posting on this board, but there's not. Hats off to good RMC and BC fans who support their teams and players and fill this board. Since that is all who seems to post, then of course they are going to talk about their players and their teams.

WHO CARES!!!!

I agree with Matt, I have just started ignoring your posts all together since they are NEVER constructive. You do fellow Marlins shame.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on January 10, 2007, 10:57:45 AM
I am not a die hard fan of anyone, but since I am in the Valley now I will make it to EMU and BC games and enjoy seeing the home teams win, but I also enjoyed seeing an upset last night as it makes this conference very even (I am of course talking about the BC vs. Roanoke game).

Roanoke played very intense and you could tell they wanted this one. I guess everyone picks up their games when they play a top 25 team.

On a side note, I think Cindi McGraw for Roanoke has invented a new way to score. Five times last night she fell flat on her back after she threw up a shot and someone came to box her out, and that accounted for two fouls and five free throws (one was after a triple). The BC fans kept telling the refs that it was acting, which it probably was. She should get actor of the year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 10, 2007, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on January 10, 2007, 10:57:45 AM
On a side note, I think Cindi McGraw for Roanoke has invented a new way to score. Five times last night she fell flat on her back after she threw up a shot and someone came to box her out, and that accounted for two fouls and five free throws (one was after a triple). The BC fans kept telling the refs that it was acting, which it probably was. She should get actor of the year.

Haha ... I remember that happening.  It was funny to hear the fans yell "are you serious?!" every time it did occur.  Kudos to her to tricking the refs.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 10, 2007, 06:42:52 PM
I know "vabeachbum" is caustic, but you all aren't really listening to what he/she says.  There ARE more fantastic players in the Odac than Katy & Megan, but that is who most people drone on about.  Some people get tired of it.  Kudos to Roanoke - I'm sure no one saw that game coming.  I don't think it was because McGraw was a good "actor" though.  0-16 at the start of the game speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on January 10, 2007, 07:44:38 PM
Okay, since the call is out for V-dubb fans to chime in, I'm off my year vacation from this site and back to posting. 

I know people don't want to hear it, but vwcbeachbum is not shaming VWC fans, he/she is just voicing what a lot of people from Roanoke, Hollins, Lynchburg, EMU, Emory & Henry, RMWC, W&L, Guilford, and of course VWC are thinking and maybe not saying.  We all agree that there have been incredible players throughout the years in the ODAC, some and most probably not the same caliber as Silva and Herr Lovell.  And because of their careers being so recent (and ongoing) it's easy to continue giving them props.  They deserve years of props.  I'm sure VWC and the rest will go on to have their Silvas and Herr Lovells in the next years -it's a cycle, I know.  It's just tough when the posts now are so RMC and BC dominated when other school's fans don't flood the posts with how great their teams are doing and how well-rounded and consistent they are.  It does seem like every year we continue to focus on Randy Mac and BC - although it does happen with teams like Duke and Syracuse, etc who are "supposed" to be great every year.  It's repetitive, but a good reason more fans should show up on here and support their school.  VWC is on top now and that's something they should be proud of.  They have a bench full of contributors and that is what a team is truly about.  BC is and will continue to have a fantastic year, which is great for the ODAC, as well as other schools showing up to play  (Nice Noke!)  Not to get mushy, but we really should notice teams beyond their one player and teams who don't have a superstar and are continuing to step it up and do well. 

Blah blah blah, go Marlins and go ODAC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 09:14:32 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on January 10, 2007, 10:53:15 AM
I agree with Matt, I have just started ignoring your posts all together since they are NEVER constructive. You do fellow Marlins shame.

Actually, I had no problem with this particular beachbum post.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 10, 2007, 10:25:02 PM
Old School Marlin and whitecaylxx,

I don't think you all are getting it.  I, along with many other posters on d3sports.com, take the approach that if someone is talking about a subject they care not of, then you simply don't speak on it.

Now, if "bum" really does care about the Silva-Herr Lovell topic that was brought up, and would like to voice his/her opinion, perhaps he/she could provide a handful of names he/she thinks deserves being in the Silva-Herr Lovell comparision from the past 10 years.  Perhaps a Katrina Williams (Roanoke, 1999-03) or a Laura Haynes (Guilford, 1994-98).

If he/she really cared, maybe even throw out some names of current players who deserve recognition for being the top player in the league.  Those who come to my mind would be a Erin Hanson (RC), a Caroline Wesley (LC), a Jessica Hunsinger (W&L), or a healthy Heather Phillips (VWC).

Instead, "bum" simply tries to silence the conversation rather than contribute or ignore it.

So ... what am I still not getting?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on January 11, 2007, 05:44:29 AM
Nothing really Matt.  I agree, people talking about good players is a part of the discussion about ODAC women's basketball on this board.  All I am saying is that it's not just about the best individuals on the teams, or the best individuals to play in the ODAC (although we should all be proud of them for being part of our much loved conference), it's about the teams.  It's not a competition between Silva vs. Herr, Wesley vs. Phillips, it's about the great battles every year between Roanoke vs. E&H, etc.  It's about who's beating who on the boards and whose assist/turnover ratio is the best its ever been. There's much more to say about ODAC women's basketball than continously trying to "stick" it to other teams' fans how great their "great" is in comparison to other.  Nothing wrong with a little pride, but again it's so repetitive and individual.  I guess I'd just like to see more rah rah for the team effort aspect than always reading about the "I" in the "TEAM".  And much kudos for those who do so - and there are many.

(And I promise, for those who may think so, this is not a (excuse the expression) "butt hurt" comment from a V-dubb fan who hasn't seen a championship (like our men!) or longs for a Silva of our own.  It's just getting pretty old reading the same posts about the same people.  Just wanting a little more well rounded discussion.)  

And maybe you're right Matt, if this is the way it continues, then we should all write praise after praise of our own players to keep up with everyone else.  It's all good.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 11, 2007, 08:53:27 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on January 11, 2007, 05:44:29 AM
And maybe you're right Matt, if this is the way it continues, then we should all write praise after praise of our own players to keep up with everyone else.  It's all good.

It certainly doesn't hurt.  I gave Silva her much deserved praise even though she continually defeated my Eagles.  Also, after I see a BC game, I try to compliment the opposing team (or particular players) instead of just going off on how well (or poor) my own team played.

But that's just my approach.  Somehow I think that intiates healthy conversation where we aren't bashing another player, team, or poster.  I have certainly had my fair share of posting that type of stuff, and it never seems to benefit the boards.

But you and "bum" keep doing what you're doing.  You seem to be keeping yourselves involved in the conversation with your approach.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 11, 2007, 09:37:11 AM
On the topic of teams, I took a look at the last 10 years (from 1996-97 to 2005-06) and the top five total ODAC wins, ODAC regular season wins, and ODAC tournament wins:


SchoolTotalReg. SeasonTourney
1Bridgewater
175-50
159-41
16-9
2Randolph-Macon
167-55
152-48
15-7
3Roanoke
149-73
134-66
15-7
4Guilford
136-84
124-76
12-8
5Emory & Henry
123-95
115-85
8-10

Those five aforementioned schools (BC, E&H, GC, R-MC, RC) that have made the ODAC tournament each of the last 10 seasons.

Washington & Lee has made it eight of the years, but has a 1-8 record. Virginia Wesleyan made it seven times, but is 0-7.  Eastern Mennonite made it six years (3-5 record), getting all of their tournament wins in 2004 when they won the title.

Randolph-Macon and Roanoke each have three titles, Guilford has two, and Bridgewater and EMU with one.  BC and R-MC have the most title game appearances with five each.

Hollins, Lynchburg, Randolph-Macon Woman's, and VWC are all winless in the ODAC tournament the last 10 years.  Their last postseason wins:

Hollins - 1991
Lynchburg - 1991
RMWC - never
VWC - 1994
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on January 11, 2007, 12:09:46 PM
Good info on the team stats.  It's always interesting to look at that stuff.   Maybe VWC can turn some things around in the near future and break that stinking tournament curse.  (Never could get past the first round as a player OR a coach!)  And if they keep their eyes on the prize maybe even a regular season first place finish - though the Eagles and others will make it a tough road.  I can always hope and cheer them on!  You must excuse me for not being able to comment first hand on games, player's performances, etc.  I'm all the way on the other side of the country and am eager to read other posters' take of the season.  If I get caught up in the "individual" discussion, it's only because I really want to hear about everything that's going on, more than the same "best player" rant.  I was there to see Silva and Herr Lovell so I know they are awesome.  Keep me informed of all the other great goings on.  Thanks!  ; ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 11, 2007, 12:25:12 PM
J There that was all I really wanted to wake up some other people! See "kid", not everyone hates me. You might be surprised at what other opinions people have out side the wall of Nininger. There is a whole new world out there full of great basketball!

GO MARLINS :) Hollins, Lynchburg, Hollins who made that schedule? Tough game at Roanoke after that!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pray4Surf on January 11, 2007, 06:29:15 PM
Yawn who cares about years past all that matters is here and now. The marlins are 10-3 and 7-1 in the odac. Looking at there coming schedule they have 6 home games and 6 away games I would have to say there schedule is very favorable. I see the marlins coming away with at least 15 wins in the odac if not more putting them in very good position to be in second place going into the tournament. I know it's still early but the marlins have put themselves in very good position and I see the Bridgewater game on Feb. 10th the deciding factor about who will be ranked first going into the tournament. I have faith in the marlins and see them coming away with at least 20 wins this season. Go marlins!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 11, 2007, 09:31:45 PM
Maybe with RMWC going co-ed next year, even they will soon join the ranks of teams to make the post season!!

Also, I remember reading in the ODAC championship brochure last year the history of the playoffs.  I recall if you go back even 10 years more, you'll find Roanoke at the top of the overall win list.

As with most things in life, everything that goes around comes around.

I know what I've learned in the years of playing in, and watching and listening to ODAC games, in the end I'm proud to cheer on which ever team(s) move(s) on to the NCAA tourney to represent our conference.   I certainly cheer for my alma mater during head to head match ups during the season, but it's just as good when ANY ODAC team gets a win outside the conference.  We will have many of these this year (and already have) as well as in future years.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacblogger on January 12, 2007, 10:50:11 AM
Tonight's games:

January 12
E&H at BC (7:00 p.m.)
GC at EMU (7:00 p.m.)
RC at RMWC (7:00 p.m.)
W&L at LC (7:00 p.m.)

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on January 12, 2007, 03:39:59 PM
Bridgewater should easily defeat Emory & Henry - E & H will pay the price for the Roanoke fiasco.
EMU should beat Guilford - they are really a team effort - but if they falter, they will just collapse.
RMC over RMWC
Lynchburg will probably beat W & L - but it will be the battle of the upper cellar.
Sounds negative, but just a commentary.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 12, 2007, 04:23:02 PM
Bridgewater over E&H, I agree with waterlucy, Bridgewater should be ready to play after the Roanoke dissapointment

EMU over Guilford, I think Guilford's great ODAC start was in part due to their easy conference schedule at the beginning, and Guilford has the long road trip today which will help EMU get the W, although I think it will be a close game.

I think it is Roanoke playing RMWC, and so I will of course pick Roanoke, maybe the BC game means they are finally playing to their potential

I will go with W&L over Lynchburg, although I think which ever of the big gals (Caroline Wesley for LC or Jessica Hunsinger for W&L) has the better game will win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 12, 2007, 09:56:17 PM
Bridgewater 85
Emory & Henry 51

Recap (http://bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=878) / Box Score (http://bridgewater.edu/Sports/features/whoops0607/07WBEHC1.HTM)

BC jumped out to a 21-8 lead, but after an E&H timeout and under two minutes later, it was only 21-17.  The Eagles moved out to a 20-point lead (39-19) with just under three minutes left in the first half.  After the break, the Wasps got it to 41-28, but BC broke it open again and never looked back.

I liked Habel and Brown for E&H.  They could both create their own shots well.  For some reason Brown didn't play much.  One thing I did notice was that there wasn't much talking among the E&H players during the game, even when it was close.  I think they lack a vocal leader.  It might be because their head coach has a quiet approach to coaching.  All in all, E&H has a fiesty bunch, and I think they'll give some ODAC teams trouble this season.  They just couldn't hit any of their three-pointers (3-for-17).

In limited minutes (21), Herr Lovell had 12 points, 8 steals, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists.  It was certainly a team effort.  It's nice to be able to bring someone like Timberlake off the bench.  She had 10 points, 4 assists, and 4 steals in only 14 minutes.

The Eagles (10-2, 7-1) will have a tough game tomorrow afternoon against the Quakers.  If they play the way they did in the second part of the first half, we should be OK.  Scales now has 991 career points, so she may top the 1,000-point mark in that contest.

Also of note, with Herr Lovell's five rebounds, she passes Coach Jean Willi on the all-time rebound list.  Herr Lovell is now No. 11 with 582.  Willi drops to No. 12 with 580.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 12, 2007, 10:11:45 PM
Unbelievable.

Just days after Roanoke upset No. 18 Bridgewater, the Maroons lose to Randolph-Macon Woman's by three points. :o

Here's the box score if you don't believe me: http://wildcats.rmwc.edu/stats/BB_011207.htm
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 12, 2007, 11:23:57 PM
Those crazy Wildcats. They usually get one of those a year (just ask the Marlins) Roanoke overlooking RMWC? Can't do that on ANY night in the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 12, 2007, 11:48:51 PM
Now this is a TEAM effort....

## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A  TO BLK S MIN
05 RECHNITZER, Sara.... *  4-9     4-8     8-8     0   6     6   1   20   4  5   0    3  36
10 SCHAFFSTALL, Sam.... * 6-10    0-1    1-2     3   4     7   2   13   2  2   1    4  36
21 RECHNITZER, Katie... *  5-19    2-6    4-4     2   2     4   0   16   0  0   0    1  39
30 CARRERA, Lianna..... *  5-12     0-0    2-2     2   3     5   2   12   4  1   0    2  36
40 WADE, Emily......... *      1-3      1-2    3-4     2   4     6   3    6    0  1   0    0  36
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 13, 2007, 09:40:41 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on January 12, 2007, 11:48:51 PM
Now this is a TEAM effort....

## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A  TO BLK S MIN
05 RECHNITZER, Sara.... *  4-9     4-8     8-8     0   6     6   1   20   4  5   0    3  36
10 SCHAFFSTALL, Sam.... * 6-10    0-1    1-2     3   4     7   2   13   2  2   1    4  36
21 RECHNITZER, Katie... *  5-19    2-6    4-4     2   2     4   0   16   0  0   0    1  39
30 CARRERA, Lianna..... *  5-12     0-0    2-2     2   3     5   2   12   4  1   0    2  36
40 WADE, Emily......... *      1-3      1-2    3-4     2   4     6   3    6    0  1   0    0  36


Even though it's probably out of necessity, it is amazing how conditioned those girls must be (I've never seen them play in person - so I'm assuming).

For all five starters to play 36+ minutes each, and still only turn it over a combined nine times.  That's impressive!  Rechnitzer could have shot better from the field, but they were still a combined 40% from the field, 41% from three, and 90% from the line.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2007, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 13, 2007, 09:40:41 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on January 12, 2007, 11:48:51 PM
Now this is a TEAM effort....

## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A  TO BLK S MIN
05 RECHNITZER, Sara.... *  4-9     4-8     8-8     0   6     6   1   20   4  5   0    3  36
10 SCHAFFSTALL, Sam.... * 6-10    0-1    1-2     3   4     7   2   13   2  2   1    4  36
21 RECHNITZER, Katie... *  5-19    2-6    4-4     2   2     4   0   16   0  0   0    1  39
30 CARRERA, Lianna..... *  5-12     0-0    2-2     2   3     5   2   12   4  1   0    2  36
40 WADE, Emily......... *      1-3      1-2    3-4     2   4     6   3    6    0  1   0    0  36


Even though it's probably out of necessity, it is amazing how conditioned those girls must be (I've never seen them play in person - so I'm assuming).

For all five starters to play 36+ minutes each, and still only turn it over a combined nine times.  That's impressive!  Rechnitzer could have shot better from the field, but they were still a combined 40% from the field, 41% from three, and 90% from the line.

That is something!  RMWC (soon to be Randolph College  ???  ;)) could use 3 more players to "really" challenge.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 13, 2007, 07:17:22 PM
VWC 107 Hollins 22

What can you say, all 13 Marlins scored. I didn't se the whole game but  VWC was trying to play subs and early and often. The problem with that is that VWC is used to playing a lot of people anyway so its not like they are subbing in kids that dont know how to play. Coach Wagner is a better person than I am for being able to not lose his mind. Hard to watch..........
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pray4Surf on January 13, 2007, 08:40:18 PM
All the VWC players played,  the most anyone played was 24 mins. Every player played at least 11 mins. Good game all around for the marlins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on January 15, 2007, 10:29:35 AM
RC can be a hard team and I see BC found that when you come out cold it is hard to get back in it. That Happened to VWC this year when they played BC. I find it funny how few people talked about the BC loss. I see VWC just getting stronger. While they will lose 4 seniors this year they have a lot left in the cabinet. Coach Dunmyer is buliding a program that will be strong for years. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 15, 2007, 11:36:19 AM
Quote from: huskiect on January 15, 2007, 10:29:35 AM
RC can be a hard team and I see BC found that when you come out cold it is hard to get back in it. That Happened to VWC this year when they played BC. I find it funny how few people talked about the BC loss. I see VWC just getting stronger. While they will lose 4 seniors this year they have a lot left in the cabinet. Coach Dunmyer is buliding a program that will be strong for years. 

Actually, the BC-RC game was very different from the BC-VWC one.

BC came out cold against RC (got down 18-2), was down 51-32 with 14 minutes left in the game, but got it within one point (64-63) with five minutes remaining in the game.

In the BC-VWC game, the Marlins actually had a 16-8 lead with 11 minutes left in the first half.  It was their second-half shooting (24%) that doomed them.  Credit whatever you want; poor shooting, the Eagles defense.  Either way, the Eagles finished strong in both the RC and VWC games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 15, 2007, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: huskiect on January 15, 2007, 10:29:35 AM
RC can be a hard team and I see BC found that when you come out cold it is hard to get back in it. That Happened to VWC this year when they played BC. I find it funny how few people talked about the BC loss. I see VWC just getting stronger. While they will lose 4 seniors this year they have a lot left in the cabinet. Coach Dunmyer is buliding a program that will be strong for years. 

I think it is early yet to figure who has what. Most of the big games between the top teams are next month.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 15, 2007, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on January 13, 2007, 07:17:22 PM
VWC 107 Hollins 22

What can you say, all 13 Marlins scored. I didn't se the whole game but  VWC was trying to play subs and early and often. The problem with that is that VWC is used to playing a lot of people anyway so its not like they are subbing in kids that dont know how to play. Coach Wagner is a better person than I am for being able to not lose his mind. Hard to watch..........

Hey, and you get to play a replay again this week......such fun ! ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 15, 2007, 06:10:45 PM
I will be at the EMU at BC game Tuesday. It should be a great game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 16, 2007, 07:49:04 PM
Halftime scores:

Bridgewater 43
Eastern Mennonite 31

Randolph-Macon 35
Washington & Lee 24

Virginia Wesleyan 36
Lynchburg 20
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 16, 2007, 09:30:22 PM
Bridgewater wins by 11.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 16, 2007, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 16, 2007, 07:49:04 PM
Halftime scores:

Bridgewater 43
Eastern Mennonite 31

Randolph-Macon 35
Washington & Lee 24

Virginia Wesleyan 36
Lynchburg 20

all 3 win, no surprises
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 16, 2007, 09:48:36 PM
EMU proved to be a very tough team, a team that only has one senior and will be very good in the future. They play very aggressive and shoot the ball well.

Katy Herr Lovell had a huge night scoring 26 points and recording 9 steals. She just took the ball over scoring 8 points during a pivotal BC run in the middle of the second half where she hit back-to-back three pointers.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 16, 2007, 09:59:38 PM
I didn't get to listen or watch, but box scores show Lindsay Riesbeck scoring 26 points in 21 minutes of play in RMC- W&L game. 

She was named ODAC player of the week two weeks in a row (Jan 2 and Jan 8).  As only a sophomore, she's shown great composure and seems to be continuing to step up her role on the RMC squad as a leader this year.

She's one to watch.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 16, 2007, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on January 16, 2007, 09:48:36 PM
Katy Herr Lovell had a huge night scoring 26 points and recording 9 steals. She just took the ball over scoring 8 points during a pivotal BC run in the middle of the second half where she hit back-to-back three pointers.

Funny thing is, Bridgewater came into this game ranked No. 3 in the nation in free throw percentage at 78.5%, and tonight they were 25-for-29 from the charity stripe.  The four misses?  Herr Lovell, who was 8-for-12, came into the game hitting 86.4%.

Even so, for a pass-first-shoot-second guard, a career high 26 points (could/should have been 30) against your arch rival is all-american material.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 16, 2007, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 16, 2007, 09:59:38 PM
I didn't get to listen or watch, but box scores show Lindsay Riesbeck scoring 26 points in 21 minutes of play in RMC- W&L game. 

She was named ODAC player of the week two weeks in a row (Jan 2 and Jan 8).  As only a sophomore, she's shown great composure and seems to be continuing to step up her role on the RMC squad as a leader this year.

She's one to watch.

Yeah, she's playing some excellent ball for the Jackets.  But how about Molly Ariail?  Two of the better sixth women in the country (production wise) could be in the ODAC, in R-MC's Ariail and BC's Jessica Timberlake.

Ariail is averaging 12 points, 8.4 rebounds, and 2.0 blocks in the Jackets' first 11 games. Timberlake is averaging 10.6 points, 3.0 rebounds, 2.4 steals, and 2.1 assists in 14 games.  Neither has started a contest (yet).

Always a good sign for a team when you have that kind of production coming off the bench.

I was also really impressed with VWC's Tonia Jones when the Marlins came to Bridgewater.  On the year, she's averaging 9.7 points, 3.7 rebounds and 1.9 steals.  She also hasn't started a game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 16, 2007, 11:02:40 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 16, 2007, 10:23:30 PM
I was also really impressed with VWC's Tonia Jones when the Marlins came to Bridgewater.  On the year, she's averaging 9.7 points, 3.7 rebounds and 1.9 steals.  She also hasn't started a game.

WHAT? Some love from the kid for VW ;) I agree that Ariail is going to be good. I really Don't remember Riesbeck from the VWC game but that doesn't mean much I don't remember what I had for dinner last night either.  Marlins looked sloppy tonight, 1st half was really bad....... Man, I was doing so well but here goes my karma drop for the night...... Lynchburg is bad, they have some players that look like they have some talent, Caroline Wesley of course is good, but over all as a unit they are not that good. A lot of one on one offense, no real ball handlers, and not a real grasp of what they are doing. A lot of work to do there.........
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on January 17, 2007, 10:03:06 AM
I was down in Lexington yesterday and so I was able to make it to the RMC vs. W&L game (didn't go see my two local teams, BC vs. EMU, slug it out) and I was quite impressed with Lindsay Riesbeck and Molly Ariail! I think their overall play carried the Jackets past a tough W&L team.

W&L pulled down 17 offensive rebounds to only 9 by RMC, but W&L couldn't find the bucket shooting only 36% while RMC shot 48% from the field.

I tell you who I was not impressed with, and I guess like you said vwcbeachbum, my karma might go down now also, I was not impressed with the play of Kristen Morgan or Salem Shaffer. Earlier this year on the board people talked about Morgan being the ODAC's best defensive player, and I've heard how Shaffer was going to step up during the post-Silva era, but neither of them impressed me. Shaffer I know has made all-conference honors in the past, but she sure didn't look like it to me.

I think for the RMC to go deep in the post season this year, which they are capable to doing, they will have to have their two returning starters, Morgan and Shaffer, step it up a notch to compliment the outstanding play of their youngsters.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on January 17, 2007, 10:11:14 AM
Matt, did you ever figure out where Katy Herr Lovell ranks at BC in the steal category? I noticed she had 9 steals last night and on Friday she had 8, but they don't show it on the website. I was listening to Coach Bill and Scott Lowe on the radio last night while I was at the W&L game, and they mentioned something about Katy being only a few points and a few rebounds away from being in the top 10 all-time for both rebounds and points at BC, and she's #4 all-time in assists, but where in steals?

Sorry everyone for mentioning an individual on this board, I was just curious about that little fact. Hope no one gets too worked up.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 17, 2007, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on January 17, 2007, 10:11:14 AM
Matt, did you ever figure out where Katy Herr Lovell ranks at BC in the steal category? I noticed she had 9 steals last night and on Friday she had 8, but they don't show it on the website. I was listening to Coach Bill and Scott Lowe on the radio last night while I was at the W&L game, and they mentioned something about Katy being only a few points and a few rebounds away from being in the top 10 all-time for both rebounds and points at BC, and she's #4 all-time in assists, but where in steals?

Sorry everyone for mentioning an individual on this board, I was just curious about that little fact. Hope no one gets too worked up.

Still not sure about where she ranks in steals, sorry.

As far as points, rebounds, and assists, the BC website is actually updating the "Career Leaders" page during the season:

http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=1214

She is currently No. 12 in points, No. 11 in rebounds, and No. 4 in assists.

She is 17 points and 11 rebounds from breaking into the top 10s in those categories.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 17, 2007, 11:37:29 AM
Lovell did miss some free throws early but she hit them down the stretch. Katie and Shannon were very good at both ends of the floor.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 17, 2007, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on January 17, 2007, 10:03:06 AM


I tell you who I was not impressed with, and I guess like you said vwcbeachbum, my karma might go down now also, I was not impressed with the play of Kristen Morgan or Salem Shaffer. Earlier this year on the board people talked about Morgan being the ODAC's best defensive player, and I've heard how Shaffer was going to step up during the post-Silva era, but neither of them impressed me. Shaffer I know has made all-conference honors in the past, but she sure didn't look like it to me.

I think for the RMC to go deep in the post season this year, which they are capable to doing, they will have to have their two returning starters, Morgan and Shaffer, step it up a notch to compliment the outstanding play of their youngsters.

Morgan is in at point guard as she is the best ball handler on the team. She averages the most time played but she is not a big scorer ( like Silva ). Morgan and Shaffer only average 7 points each, which I think is what Morgan scored last night.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 17, 2007, 01:38:34 PM
Randolph Macon is certainly not the team of last year.  However, their coaching seems to get them through the rough spots.  When RMC broke down a little last night against W & L, they were able to easily get back in the game with some adjustments from both the coaches and players.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: upper90 on January 17, 2007, 02:03:07 PM
Once again, the game isn't just about the stats players put up.  Has anyone actually looked at the players Morgan guards.  Typically the best player/highest scorer on the team, often times these players are quite a few inches taller.  Just ask those players how they feel going into the game knowing they are going to have Morgan on them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 17, 2007, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: upper90 on January 17, 2007, 02:03:07 PM
Once again, the game isn't just about the stats players put up.  Has anyone actually looked at the players Morgan guards.  Typically the best player/highest scorer on the team, often times these players are quite a few inches taller.  Just ask those players how they feel going into the game knowing they are going to have Morgan on them.


Who's a good defender is really all subjective, because you are right, stats don't always tell the whole story. I think Kristen Morgan is a good defender, but I am not sure I would say she is one of the best in the ODAC. She's also not a big scorer, but she does have solid fundamentals on all aspects of the game. It's nice to have a steady player like that on your team. Not a super star in any part of the game, just steady.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacblogger on January 17, 2007, 05:50:03 PM
Good defenders are not "subjective" just because there isn't a stat line for the category.  A good defender puts out effort all the time - is relentless - doesn't slack off.   A good defender doesn't give too much room and is always looking for the steal or the rebound.   Many of the "scorers" in the stats are lousy defenders - they don't think it is their job to play defense.  Who does everyone think is a good defender in the ODAC?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on January 17, 2007, 06:48:04 PM
I think there are some very good defenders on RMC in Morgan, Merkel, and Hiltunen. I agree with you in that many of the leading scorers in the ODAC aren't the best defenders because that really isn't what they are on the floor to do. But I have always thought defense wins ball games and without these players, the stars on the teams wouldnt have the opportunity to score those points.

And on another note- Shaffer and Morgan may not come off as stars and being impressive to some but they are what keeps this team glued together. They have been starters since the national championship year (04'-05') and have more experience in close games(referring to the final four, elite eight) than any other players in the ODAC easily. Sometimes just being present on the court, getting a few key rebounds, giving a few good passes and demonstrate some team leadership is all it takes to be a significant role player on a team, which those players most certainly are.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 17, 2007, 07:07:43 PM
Quote from: odacblogger on January 17, 2007, 05:50:03 PM
Who does everyone think is a good defender in the ODAC?

My subjective view is that it takes quickness as well as hand eye coordination to be a good defender.

Of the ODAC teams I've seen in person (and not going by stats), I think VWC's Tonia Jones, Guilford's Dionne Graham, and Bridgewater's Jessica Timberlake, are three of the better ones I've seen.  I haven't seen R-MC play yet, so I'll reserve judgment until then.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacblogger on January 18, 2007, 08:49:04 AM
Baller116:
I have a huge problem with the statement that the scorers aren't on the floor the play defense.  That mentality is what makes the difference between a poor or average team and an excellent team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 18, 2007, 11:32:58 AM
QuoteMatt, did you ever figure out where Katy Herr Lovell ranks at BC in the steal category?

Your wishes will soon come true!  Career leaders for steals and blocks will be posted on the web in the coming weeks.

So far Katy is No. 1 all-time in steals.  I'll let you know once it is posted.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 18, 2007, 12:11:02 PM
Through yesterday's games ... Bridgewater is ranked No. 1 in the nation in free throw percentage (79.4%).

No. 2 is Hartwick (78.9%) and No. 3 is UW-Eau Claire (77.7%).

Congrats to the Eagles!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on January 18, 2007, 01:27:32 PM
Baller116:
I have a huge problem with the statement that the scorers aren't on the floor the play defense.  That mentality is what makes the difference between a poor or average team and an excellent team

I never said that was my own mentaility towards the game at all. I said it because unfortunately its just the way it is. I do agree with you in that it is the difference between a good team and a great one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on January 19, 2007, 12:47:28 PM
Jessica Hunsinger's line last night: 18 points, season high 15 boards, and 9 blocks...One away from the first triple-double in W&L history.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 19, 2007, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: GeneralFan on January 19, 2007, 12:47:28 PM
Jessica Hunsinger's line last night: 18 points, season high 15 boards, and 9 blocks...One away from the first triple-double in W&L history.

Wow!  I enjoyed watching her play when the Generals came to Nininger last year.  She's one heck of a player.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 19, 2007, 11:57:45 PM
RMC wins at Roanoke tonight. Don't know why Morgan didn't play?
RMC seems to have found themselves and may make a run again this year.
3 big games left, 2 against Bridgewater and the VWC rematch. These should determine who finishes 1,2 &3 in the conference.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 20, 2007, 04:11:42 PM
The Generals beat the Eagles 65-60 this afternoon.

W&L's Hunsinger had a great game, with 17 rebounds, to go along with eight points and four blocks.  The Generals held BC to 34% shooting from the field.  Certainly can't win a game shooting that poorly.

Congrats to the Generals on the big win, and to the Marlins for taking over first place!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 20, 2007, 04:23:16 PM
No ODAC team in the Top 25 Monday?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 20, 2007, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 20, 2007, 04:23:16 PM
No ODAC team in the Top 25 Monday?

Likely no ODAC team in the top 25 the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 20, 2007, 06:58:46 PM
Washington and Lee has finally learned it takes a TEAM to beat a competitive opponent, not just a couple of players.  Bridgewater did not press until the second half ( a coaching error), and that let the Generals believe they could play with the lackluster Eagles.  It was Bridgewater who was on the run - if Bridgewater is a top 25 team, then so is W & L now I guess.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 21, 2007, 07:52:03 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 20, 2007, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 20, 2007, 04:23:16 PM
No ODAC team in the Top 25 Monday?

Likely no ODAC team in the top 25 the rest of the season.

VWC should sweep their 3 games next week making them 17-3 which might get their nose under the tent.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 21, 2007, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 20, 2007, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 20, 2007, 04:23:16 PM
No ODAC team in the Top 25 Monday?

Likely no ODAC team in the top 25 the rest of the season.

I'm not saying that VWC will be in the top 25, but they are beating the same teams that BC was beating when they were in so why not? The ODAC is not very strong right now from top to bottom so that hurts. I don't  think the Marlins have beaten anyone to really push them in but if the eagels hadn't lost to W&L they would still be in right? So if it was good enough for BC why not VW?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on January 21, 2007, 01:18:46 PM
I think after losses to teams like W & L and Roanoke (with their records), everyone can agree that Bridgewater shouldn't have been ranked in the top 25.  I think Bridgewater got in based on last year's record and on only losing one player from that team.  At the beginning of the year some of the Bridgewater posters said that all Marsha Kinder did was score, and that perhaps the Eagles were now even better.  Well apparently, she is sorely missed. She did score, but she also attracted the defense away from the other players so they could shine as well.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 21, 2007, 03:38:28 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on January 21, 2007, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 20, 2007, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 20, 2007, 04:23:16 PM
No ODAC team in the Top 25 Monday?

Likely no ODAC team in the top 25 the rest of the season.

I'm not saying that VWC will be in the top 25, but they are beating the same teams that BC was beating when they were in so why not? The ODAC is not very strong right now from top to bottom so that hurts. I don't  think the Marlins have beaten anyone to really push them in but if the eagels hadn't lost to W&L they would still be in right? So if it was good enough for BC why not VW?

Probably because BC defeated VWC by 15.  Now, if the Marlins beat the Eagles later this season, and they have won all their other games up until then, then I do believe there is a chance they could be ranked.

They are certainly taking care of business whereas the Eagles aren't.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 21, 2007, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: waterlucy on January 21, 2007, 01:18:46 PM
I think after losses to teams like W & L and Roanoke (with their records), everyone can agree that Bridgewater shouldn't have been ranked in the top 25.  I think Bridgewater got in based on last year's record and on only losing one player from that team.  At the beginning of the year some of the Bridgewater posters said that all Marsha Kinder did was score, and that perhaps the Eagles were now even better.  Well apparently, she is sorely missed. She did score, but she also attracted the defense away from the other players so they could shine as well.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  Bridgewater is good enough that when they shoot around 50% from the field, they're tough to beat.  That's why they got to the ODAC tourney final last season and the Sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament.  In their three losses this season, they shot under 35% from the floor in each loss.

I will say that a true top 25 shoots poorly from the field, they find other ways to win (force turnovers, get to the free throw line, etc.) ... BC isn't seeming to do that.

Not to take anything away from Kinder, she was a heck of a player.  But let's not forget that at this point last season, the Eagles were 11-4 (with Marsha).  They finished the regular season 9-1.  I think we are certainly good enough to do the same, but we have a tough one against UMW, two against R-MC, and one more against VWC ... so it won't be easy.

But I think we all agree that a top 25 team wouldn't lose to an eight loss team, much less two of them.  IMO, I don't think the Eagles deserve a sniff at the top 25 again until they can win the ODAC tourney and make some noise in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on January 21, 2007, 08:55:37 PM
Who or what do you guys think will be the big story in the final third of the year?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 21, 2007, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: GeneralFan on January 21, 2007, 08:55:37 PM
Who or what do you guys think will be the big story in the final third of the year?

The remaining games between VWC, BC and RMC, which will determine the ODAC championship.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 21, 2007, 10:53:07 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 21, 2007, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: GeneralFan on January 21, 2007, 08:55:37 PM
Who or what do you guys think will be the big story in the final third of the year?

The remaining games between VWC, BC and RMC, which will determine the ODAC championship.

Well, that will likely determine the No. 1, 2, and 3 seeds in the tournament.  I think teams like Roanoke, Guilford, and even Washington & Lee have proven they can compete with anyone.

I think the big story will be if VWC, BC and R-MC can win out (other then when they play one another, of course), if one of them can receive an at-large berth to the NCAA tournament with only four or five losses.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on January 22, 2007, 12:50:55 AM
Quote from: GeneralFan on January 21, 2007, 08:55:37 PM
Who or what do you guys think will be the big story in the final third of the year?

I think RMC will be the big surprise. Yea it was supposed to be a rebuilding year for the jackets but I still think they will come out on top. Being the underdogs this year might give them an advantage in the ODAC tournament without the bulls eye on them like the years in the past.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on January 22, 2007, 11:25:27 AM
I would propose that one of the big stories of the remaining season is finding out who in the middle of the pack will lead the way and grab those pivotal #4 and #5 spots. Moreover, I, like I'm sure many among you, are still trying to figure the enigma that is Roanoke College. It's not much of an enigma if Erin Hanson doesn't put in 20 points a night though..

Just running this by people who are much more intelligent than I:

VA Wes loses to Bridgewater
Bridgewater loses to Roanoke.
Roanoke loses to Randolph-Macon Woman's College
Randolph-Macon Woman's College loses to Hollins

Is Hollins in first place? I think that's right....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 22, 2007, 01:42:18 PM
Since we're just past the midway point of the conference season, who do you all think is the best team and who has deserved all-odac first and second team recognition?

Here's my take...

Best team - How can you not go with VWC?  Since their only ODAC loss (on the road at BC), they've reeled off 11 straight conference wins by an average of 29.8 points. BC's only two losses were to W&L and RC, while VWC is a combined 4-0 against those squads. The Marlins lead the conference in scoring (73.9), but have no player averaging in double digits. That's balance.

All-ODAC first team
Erin Hanson, Roanoke
Jessica Hunsinger, Washington & Lee
Nicole Thurston, Virginia Wesleyan
Caroline Wesley, Lynchburg
Katy Herr Lovell, Bridgewater

All-ODAC second team
Carolyn Riley, Eastern Mennonite
Sara Rechnitzer, Randolph-Macon Woman's
Lindsay Riesbeck, Randolph-Macon
Molly Ariail, Randolph-Macon
Michelle Dove, Virginia Wesleyan

It's really tough choosing the second team ... BC and VWC both have a couple more players that are more than deserving, as well as the top players from teams like E&H and Guilford.

Anyway, just thought'd I'll see what people thought about the ODAC overall so far.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 22, 2007, 02:29:02 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on January 17, 2007, 10:11:14 AM
Matt, did you ever figure out where Katy Herr Lovell ranks at BC in the steal category?

Thanks to the sports info dept. at BC, they now list the career steals leaders at BC;

http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=1214
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 22, 2007, 10:25:08 PM
Wow this is great some real conversation  ;D. Lots of fun games left. EMU gets their first shot at the Marlins Tuesday. The Royals usually play VW tough, but the Marlins need to hold court at home. BC at Macon is a HUGE game. The winner stays at the most one game back of the top, the best the loser can hope is that VWC falls too. A split between the two schools really hurts them both in the regular season standings, assuming VWC wins at least the games they should. (I am trying to do the math here if Macon and BC split that will give them 3 losses each. That would mean VWC could stumble one more time and still remain in front) Not that any of this really matters because after what we have seen this season seeds for the tournament may not mean a thing.

Kid, I was very interested in your all ODAC teams. Even as a Marlin fan I think it is hard to put any VWC player on the first team for sure and maybe even the second team. Not that the Marlins don't have players with the talent to be mention, but the team is so balanced that picking one player over any other is nearly impossible. I think Thurston has had a great season and so has Dove, but looking down the roster so many players have made contributions to the success of the team that I think it is hard to reward just one (or two)

Looking at the marlins season stats no player is averaging double figure points (Jones 9.4 leads the way) 6 players averaging 20+ min and 5 others averaging 12+. 9 different players have lead the Marlins in scoring  in a single game including 7 different in the last 7 games. I didn't look at other teams I would be interested in seeing if any team is close to that. Let me know what you guys/gals find!

  ;D TEAM CONVERSTAIONS HURRAY!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 23, 2007, 03:45:59 PM
It's Separation Tuesday in the ODAC ... six of the top seven teams play one another:



No. 2 Bridgewater (http://www.broadcastmonsters.com/Bridgewater/bridgewater012307.asx) (9-2) at No. 3 Randolph-Macon (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTg%3d-Zz%2bY%2b1HkwNU%3d#) (8-2)


No. 7 Washington & Lee (http://helix.wlur.wlu.edu/ramgen/broadcast/live1.rm) (4-7) at No. 5 Guilford (http://secure.stretchinternet.com/live.php?user=guilford&id=18352) (6-5)


No. 4 Eastern Mennonite (7-3) at No. 1 Virginia Wesleyan (http://stream.futuremediaworld.com/?stream=/line1) (11-1)



Click on teams above for their school's webcast of the game.

Also, the EMU-VWC game will have live stats (click here (http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/live/xlive.htm)).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on January 23, 2007, 09:43:47 PM
wow what a night.... W&L over Guilford, EMU over VWC, and RMC over BC. This should certainly make things interesting.. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 23, 2007, 10:02:35 PM
Just got back from RMC-BC game.  BRUTAL!!  48 fouls...and they were only the ones that were called.   Childs and Henderson fouled out for BC and Riesbeck and Ariail fouled out for RMC. [Ariail fouled out with only 11 minutes of play!]

RMC hit only 2 of 7 FTs in the 1st half, but hit 18 of 22  FTs in 2nd half.

I know early posts included comments about the level of contribution that Morgan  makes to RMC team, but she played a tremendous game tonight sticking to Herr-Lovell like glue and holding her to under 10 points.

BC killed RMC on the boards getting shot after shot on the offensive end as well as often holding RMC to one shot at the other end.

Ball movement and patience kept RMC in the game and their free throw shooting won it for them.

I'd say there are no easy games left on the schedule for any ODAC team the rest of the year given tonights results across the conference.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 23, 2007, 10:18:21 PM
Marlins shoot 1-22 from 3 point range. Got a huge night from Thurston but didnt knock down ANY shots from the outside. EMU looked like they frustrated VWC some with thier pressure. A good win for the royals and WOW wide open now!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 23, 2007, 10:30:28 PM
I also just got back from the BC vs. RMC game, and I thought Morgan did decent, but I also thought Katy did not have much help. She could have had a lot more assists if BC weren't in such a slump shooting. Katy got by Morgan a good number of times and delivered good passes to her teammates, who just couldn't finish.

I was talking with a father of one of the freshmen on the Eagles' squad the other day who goes to all the games, and he said no one has been playing very good at all except for Katy. She has been the only steady factor. She has also been in a shooting slump like the rest of the team, but has continued to hustle, get rebounds, assists, steals, and contribute while some of the gals are just not playing good right now.

BC will have to turn it around if they want to do well after the regular season is over and done with.

I don't think any team in the ODAC stands out above the rest, it's all about who wants it more on a given night and who brings their A game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 23, 2007, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 23, 2007, 10:02:35 PM
Just got back from RMC-BC game.  BRUTAL!!  48 fouls...and they were only the ones that were called.   Childs and Henderson fouled out for BC and Riesbeck and Ariail fouled out for RMC. [Ariail fouled out with only 11 minutes of play!]

RMC hit only 2 of 7 FTs in the 1st half, but hit 18 of 22  FTs in 2nd half.

I know early posts included comments about the level of contribution that Morgan  makes to RMC team, but she played a tremendous game tonight sticking to Herr-Lovell like glue and holding her to under 10 points.


I think the earlier posts were regarding Morgan's lack of offense not defense. Tonight she scored 1 point in 37 minutes. Certainly not the offensive threat at point guard that Silva was. Huge game for Reisbeck and Hiltunen with 23 and 22 points.  Bodes well for RMC this year and the next couple years to come.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on January 23, 2007, 10:34:17 PM
I know they said that coming into night Katy Herr Lovell needed only 2 points and 2 rebounds to break into the top 10 all time list for both of those categories at BC, and she did that tonight in the loss. She is also #1 in steals and #4 in assists, so congratulations to Katy on now ranking among the top 10 in all four of those categories.

(I hope that is okay to make a comment about an individual's achievement, I know this board is all about team now, just like the new NBA commercials, "it takes 5" I guess this board is caught up in that spirit ;D)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on January 23, 2007, 10:37:13 PM
Now, a post about team.....

WOW! This league is wide open right now, and how about W&L! They are on a little bit of a streak themselves. I agree with valley, no one is that much better then anyone in this conference, it all depends on who shows up to play. I think it is still very much up in the air to who will finish first for the regular season.

BC is in a slump, but I have seem them play when they are not, and if they start playing the way they are capable of playing then watch out!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 23, 2007, 10:55:53 PM
Haha just to show i can.........

Thurston 17 points 13 rebounds, 5 blocks in 29 min.

Maybe I would put her on the all odac team kid......  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on January 24, 2007, 04:26:09 AM
Ugh, FIVE points, THREE points, ONE point!  Could these games be any more agonizing??!!  "A" game? - I'm not sure you'd call it that- that winning edge isn't anything super spectacular - but some of the underdogs are certainly getting the job done.  Some wake up calls for sure going into the final stretch.  Learn and move on and step up your game time!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 24, 2007, 08:39:22 AM
With three games in the loss category separating fourth and fifth place in the ODAC standings, here is a look at the top half with when they play one another:

1 - Virginia Wesleyan (11-2)
2 - Randolph-Macon (9-2)
3 - Bridgewater (9-3)
4 - Eastern Mennonite (8-3)

Feb. 3 - Virginia Wesleyan at Randolph-Macon
Feb. 7 - Randolph-Macon at Bridgewater
Feb. 10 - Bridgewater at Virginia Wesleyan
Feb. 13 - Eastern Mennonite at Randolph-Macon
Feb. 17 - Virginia Wesleyan at Eastern Mennonite

Here are the records of those four schools against the others in the top four:

1 - Bridgewater (3-1: 2-0 vs EMU, 1-0 vs VWC, 0-1 vs R-MC)
2 - Randolph-Macon (2-1: 1-0 vs BC, 1-0 EMU, 0-1 VWC)
3 - Virginia Wesleyan (1-2: 1-0 vs R-MC, 0-1 BC, 0-1 EMU)
4 - Eastern Mennonite (1-3: 1-0 vs VWC, 0-1 R-MC, 0-2 vs BC)

I believe BC, R-MC, and VWC control their own destiny - for the tournament's No. 1 seed - if they can win out.

Lots of ODAC left!  Should be fun!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 24, 2007, 09:15:12 AM
It sounds too simple to be true, but after looking over BC's box scores, it's the main reason I can find for the losses; shooting.

The Eagles' four worst shooting performances of the season...

26.8% in a loss against George Fox
34.3% in a loss against Washington & Lee
34.9% in a loss against Roanoke
37.7% in a loss against Randolph-Macon

So we're 12-0 when we shoot better than 38% from the floor.

And it wasn't just us shooting poorly ... it was the opponent being hot or a defensive breakdown.

Here are the top shooting performances by opponents...

48.3% in a loss against Roanoke
48.2% in a win against Eastern Mennonite
46.5% in a loss against George Fox
44.0% in a win against Washington & Lee
42.1% in a loss against Randolph-Macon
39.4% in a win against Ferrum
38.2% in a loss against Washington & Lee

So we're 9-0 when we hold opponents to under 38% shooting from the field.

I also looked at turnover and rebounding margin for each game, but there wasn't much consistency.  We're 8-2 when we turn the ball over less, and 3-2 when we turn it over more.  We're 8-1 when we out-rebound the opponent, while being 4-3 when we don't.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: elee109 on January 24, 2007, 11:05:36 AM
As exciting as the ODAC is right now does anyone see any ODAC team going far in the post season?  Curious about everyone's thoughts.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: elee109 on January 24, 2007, 11:11:48 AM
Another question.....anyone know the status of Tori Ruckman for BC?  She was hurt in the game last night.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 24, 2007, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: elee109 on January 24, 2007, 11:05:36 AM
As exciting as the ODAC is right now does anyone see any ODAC team going far in the post season?  Curious about everyone's thoughts.

I think R-MC and BC have shown the last couple years, that if an ODAC team can get hot at the right time, we have the coaching and talent to do some postseason damage.

So yes, I think if BC, R-MC, and/or VWC make the big dance, any one of those teams can make some noise.  Great coaching putting their talented players in a position to win will always give you a chance.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on January 24, 2007, 06:59:41 PM
Dear GAVA - do you mean that because RMC's Morgan only scored 1 point in 37 minutes that she must not be very valuable to her team?  Obviously, she did her job and RMC reaped the benefits. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on January 24, 2007, 08:18:21 PM
I was at the BC-RMC game last night.  Anyone can say what they will about Morgan's lack of scoring but the job she did on Katie H-L was masterful!  KHL was 2-10 from the field and scored only once when #4 was guarding her.  Her defensive contribution was as valuable as Hiltunen and Riesbeck's offensive fire power - in a 5 point game, an average defensive effort against KHL could made a 6 point difference and a different outcome!  Keep up the pressure Kristen!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 24, 2007, 08:27:09 PM
Quote from: odacfan99 on January 24, 2007, 08:18:21 PM
I was at the BC-RMC game last night.  Anyone can say what they will about Morgan's lack of scoring but the job she did on Katie H-L was masterful!  KHL was 2-10 from the field and scored only once when #4 was guarding her.  Her defensive contribution was as valuable as Hiltunen and Riesbeck's offensive fire power - in a 5 point game, an average defensive effort against KHL could made a 6 point difference and a different outcome!  Keep up the pressure Kristen!!


Yes, Katy Herr Lovell did not shoot the ball well, but she got past by Morgan many times to make nice passes to open teammates who did not finish. She should have had a lot more assists. Katy has been in a shooting slump for several games, I am not sure Morgan is to credit for another game of poor shooting. Morgan is a good defender, but that's it, and she certainly isn't a shooter, which is fine for a player. I think Morgan is a steady factor for this team, but one that would not be missed if she weren't on the court. I think Hilluten, Reisbeck, and Arial are the top threats for RMC from what I've read and what I've seen.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 24, 2007, 10:05:59 PM
I guess a bad shooting night has nothing to do with the defense your facing.

If you're beating someone on defense so often why are you dishing off to someone else who not shooting well?

KHL is a VERY good player but Morgan's defense definitely affected her game last night. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 25, 2007, 10:38:04 AM
Quote from: waterlucy on January 24, 2007, 06:59:41 PM
Dear GAVA - do you mean that because RMC's Morgan only scored 1 point in 37 minutes that she must not be very valuable to her team?  Obviously, she did her job and RMC reaped the benefits. 

Obviously RMC feels she an asset or she wouldn't be starting point guard. She is a good ball handler and defensive player, but she is not a scorer.  Being she is a senior and she waited behind Silva for the point guard position I doubt she would be replaced.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on January 25, 2007, 12:50:29 PM
Valleybballfan and GAVA - I really don't think a coach of RMC's caliber is going to play Morgan an average of 29 minutes a night just because she's a senior.  From her stats (except for the almighty scoring stat) she seems like a very good player - one who would be missed.  Sounds like you all have some personal issues with Morgan. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 25, 2007, 02:55:38 PM
I never once said anything bad about Morgan, in fact if you read my posts you can see I said she was a good defender and a steady player for RMC. Maybe I said she wouldn't be missed, but I stand by that not because I have a problem with her, but simply because I think RMC has several very talented players who would pick up the slack no problem. I see RMC being the team to beat next year, without Morgan. All I really pointed out was my observation from the RMC vs. BC game the other night. People said what an amazing job Morgan did on Herr Lovell, and I pointed out my take on the game. Herr Lovell struggled shooting, but she has struggled shooting for several games now, so I don't solely give Morgan credit for bad shooting. I said Herr Lovell did a good job penetrating and getting past Morgan, but still pointed out that Morgan is a good defender.

Someone asked why if her teammate's were struggling did Herr Lovell pass the ball off? Because that is what she does, that is what a point guard does, that is why she is leading the ODAC in assists. Just because your teammates have missed a few open looks does not mean you start shooting every time instead of passing the ball.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 25, 2007, 04:11:04 PM
Ahhhh, R-MC beats BC and here come the Jacket fans.  I love it! :)

Admittedly, Herr Lovell was 2-for-10 from the floor against R-MC.  But let's not get too excited.  First off, she's a pass-first, shoot-second point guard.  Secondly, she has always averaged fewer than 10 shots a game for her career.  And lastly, she is a career 38-percent shooter from the field ... so having a 2-for-10 performance once in awhile isn't out of the ordinary.

Other than that, the reason she had a nine-point, three-turnover game against the Jackets on Tuesday was probably the team defense by R-MC, not just Morgan.

So ... will you Jacket fans be sticking around? :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on January 25, 2007, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 25, 2007, 04:11:04 PM
Ahhhh, R-MC beats BC and here come the Jacket fans.  I love it! :)

Admittedly, Herr Lovell was 2-for-10 from the floor against R-MC.  But let's not get too excited.  First off, she's a pass-first, shoot-second point guard.  Secondly, she has always averaged fewer than 10 shots a game for her career.  And lastly, she is a career 38-percent shooter from the field ... so having a 2-for-10 performance once in awhile isn't out of the ordinary.

Other than that, the reason she had a nine-point, three-turnover game against the Jackets on Tuesday was probably the team defense by R-MC, not just Morgan.

So ... will you Jacket fans be sticking around? :)

Way to throw down the gauntlet, Kid!  I like being called out.

Haven't posted on this board this year, but read it every day.  Hopefully some of my R-M bretheren will stick around.  I love it!! 8)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 25, 2007, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer on January 25, 2007, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 25, 2007, 04:11:04 PM
Ahhhh, R-MC beats BC and here come the Jacket fans.  I love it! :)

Admittedly, Herr Lovell was 2-for-10 from the floor against R-MC.  But let's not get too excited.  First off, she's a pass-first, shoot-second point guard.  Secondly, she has always averaged fewer than 10 shots a game for her career.  And lastly, she is a career 38-percent shooter from the field ... so having a 2-for-10 performance once in awhile isn't out of the ordinary.

Other than that, the reason she had a nine-point, three-turnover game against the Jackets on Tuesday was probably the team defense by R-MC, not just Morgan.

So ... will you Jacket fans be sticking around? :)

Way to throw down the gauntlet, Kid!  I like being called out.

Haven't posted on this board this year, but read it every day.  Hopefully some of my R-M bretheren will stick around.  I love it!! 8)

Seeing we have a history (a positive one) on the football board and at this past season's Stagg Bowl, I'm GLAD you've posted here!

I was simply calling out those Jacket fans that were all over this board last season during their dominance.  Then they crawled under a *insert something heavy* once this season began.  What kind of a fan is that?! 

Shoot, BC is on a two-game skid right now, but I'm still yappin' away like a know-it-all. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on January 25, 2007, 04:50:39 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 25, 2007, 04:26:25 PM

Seeing we have a history (a positive one) on the football board and at this past season's Stagg Bowl, I'm GLAD you've posted here!

I was simply calling out those Jacket fans that were all over this board last season during their dominance.  Then they crawled under a *insert something heavy* once this season began.  What kind of a fan is that?! 

Shoot, BC is on a two-game skid right now, but I'm still yappin' away like a know-it-all. :)

Our history is good, and I appreciate it, Kid, and I'm keeping it that way!  I enjoy you Bridgewater guys!

Keep after the R-M fans!  I have noticed an ebb and flow on all of the boards (or wax and wan, if you will) corresponding to the rise and fall of the respective teams.  I'm sure you have, too.

Some fans just aren't as stalwart as you are! ;)

Anyway, I think we've got plenty of talent on this year's ladies' team, but the Megan Silva era has left us with quite a legacy to carry.  I'll be watching the ladies very closely for the rest of the year; I think they'll make another ODAC title run!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 25, 2007, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: waterlucy on January 25, 2007, 12:50:29 PM
Valleybballfan and GAVA -   Sounds like you all have some personal issues with Morgan. 

What in the world are you talking about? ??? I have no issue with Morgan, only mentioned she doesn't score much. I have praised all of her other abilites. Seems like you are the one with issues.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 25, 2007, 09:33:30 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 25, 2007, 04:11:04 PM
Ahhhh, R-MC beats BC and here come the Jacket fans.  I love it! :)



So ... will you Jacket fans be sticking around? :)

Some of us are always here Kid. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on January 25, 2007, 10:34:03 PM
Haha you guys wanna talk numbers here is a number for you 4.5%. That is what 1-22 comes out to and that is what VWC shot from 3 point range vs EMU. VWC WAS in the top ten in the nation with 7 3 point field goals per game before the shooting on tuesday. Hopefully they will re-find the stroke with two big home games this weekend. Wonder what upsets the ODAC had in store for us this weekend.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 25, 2007, 10:39:32 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on January 25, 2007, 10:34:03 PM
Wonder what upsets the ODAC had in store for us this weekend.

Ehh, I don't know.  All the games this weekend are pretty cut and dry.  All the home teams will be favored.

If I had to pick an upset, I'd say Guilford picking off either VWC or R-MC on their I-81 roadtrip.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 26, 2007, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: odacfan99 on January 24, 2007, 08:18:21 PM
I was at the BC-RMC game last night.  Anyone can say what they will about Morgan's lack of scoring but the job she did on Katie H-L was masterful!   Her defensive contribution was as valuable as Hiltunen and Riesbeck's offensive fire power - in a 5 point game, an average defensive effort against KHL could made a 6 point difference and a different outcome!  Keep up the pressure Kristen!!

Strange logic  ???  The headlines for this game were " Riesbeck and Hiltunen combine for 45 points", not " Herr is held to 9 points instead of her 13 point average". Enough. Lets move on to this week games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 26, 2007, 02:59:35 PM
I agree, GAVA. I am not sure "masterful" is how you would describe Morgan's performance...I was at the game and so I saw first hand. Good play, but "masterful" might be a bit much. However, we've talked this one to death and everyone will have their own opinions.

Here's tonight's line-up....

Friday, January 26

Lynchburg at Bridgewater

Hollins at Roanoke

R-M Woman's Coll. at Eastern Mennonite

Emory & Henry at Virginia Wesleyan
   
Guilford at Randolph-Macon


No surprises for me.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on January 26, 2007, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 26, 2007, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: odacfan99 on January 24, 2007, 08:18:21 PM

Strange logic  ???  The headlines for this game were " Riesbeck and Hiltunen combine for 45 points", not " Herr is held to 9 points instead of her 13 point average". Enough. Lets move on to this week games.


I like a fan who can be realistic about his/her team!  GAVA admitting the lack of logic to  a "Masterful Morgan" even when she is his/her team's starting point guard. And Valley anmitting his/her point guard is in a slump.

Quote from: waterlucy on January 25, 2007, 12:50:29 PM
Valleybballfan and GAVA - I really don't think a coach of RMC's caliber is going to play Morgan an average of 29 minutes a night just because she's a senior.  From her stats (except for the almighty scoring stat) she seems like a very good player - one who would be missed.  Sounds like you all have some personal issues with Morgan. 

And what is this??? A VWC fan coming to the defense of RMC? Even when an RMC fan is arguing the point of debate ohterwise!!! Wow!

About my picks....I'm not even going to put them up here, just mark me down for all the home teams and of course, no upsets there.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on January 26, 2007, 04:24:10 PM
Will Bridgewater be posting live stats or airing next Tuesday's game against University of Mary Washington?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 26, 2007, 06:33:56 PM
Quote from: Balder Eagle on January 26, 2007, 04:24:10 PM
Will Bridgewater be posting live stats or airing next Tuesday's game against University of Mary Washington?


yes, they will be broadcasting it....

http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=906
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 26, 2007, 08:40:45 PM
RMC win streak goes to 8 games. :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pray4Surf on January 26, 2007, 08:56:56 PM
VWC 88 E&H 55 Lauren Rector led the marlins with 18 points followed by Wheeler and Phillips both with 9. All in all a decent game for the marlins a little sloppy at times but all in all a great win. The marlins are back in action again tomorrow afternoon against Guilford. Go marlins!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 26, 2007, 09:07:43 PM

    7:00 pm Randolph-Macon Woman's 43 at Eastern Mennonite 75   

  7:00 pm Hollins 22 at Roanoke 92     
  7:00 pm Lynchburg   at Bridgewater (Va.)       
  7:00 pm Emory and Henry 55 at Virginia Wesleyan 88     
  7:00 pm Guilford 43 at Randolph-Macon 71     

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 26, 2007, 09:13:05 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 26, 2007, 09:12:00 PM
HOME TEAM: Randolph-Macon 13-3, 10-2 ODAC
                          TOT-FG  3-PT         REBOUNDS
## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
04 MORGAN, Kristen..... *  1-3    0-1    2-2    0  1  1   0   4  2  1  0  2  27
13 MERKEL, Marta....... *  1-1    0-0    2-2    0  0  0   1   4  2  0  0  1  22
15 SHAFFER, Salem...... *  3-6    0-0    0-0    0  8  8   0   6  8  1  1  5  27
23 HILTUNEN, Amanda.... *  7-10   5-6    1-2    1  1  2   2  20  1  4  0  4  26
24 RIESBECK, Lindsay... * 10-20   0-0    0-2    3  3  6   1  20  1  1  4  3  23
20 STEIN, Renee........    0-3    0-0    1-1    0  1  1   4   1  0  2  0  0  11
21 SHIFFLETT, Jess.....    0-0    0-0    0-0    1  2  3   2   0  2  2  0  0  14
25 PARKER, Rachel......    0-0    0-0    2-2    1  0  1   0   2  1  0  0  0   2
31 CHILDRESS, Nicole...    0-4    0-1    2-2    0  0  0   0   2  1  3  0  1  15
33 SINGER, Lauren......    0-2    0-0    0-0    0  2  2   0   0  0  0  0  0   2
44 DALLA VALLE, Maryann    0-1    0-1    0-0    0  3  3   1   0  2  2  0  1  14
50 ARIAIL, Molly.......    5-8    0-0    2-3    1  5  6   3  12  0  5  2  0  17
   TEAM................                         1  2  3
   Totals..............   27-58   5-9   12-16   8 28 36  14  71 20 21  7 17 200




Riesbeck and Hiltunen again with combined 40 points.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 26, 2007, 10:31:04 PM
BC won by a score of 74-66 over Lynchburg. Bridgewater played extremely sloppy and they were not clicking for most of the game. The Eagles were without Torri Ruckman (ACL) and Jessica Timberlake (hip, will return soon) who account for 15 pnts a game, and Becca Henderson went out in the first half with an ankle sprain, but got it taped at half and came back and had a huge game scoring a career high 18 points and 5 blocks.

You got to hand it to Lynchburg though, they have some talented freshmen who will make some noise in the ODAC in years to come. Coach Tobey has done a good job and is very encouraging to these youngsters.

Katy Herr Lovell picked up the slack tonight for the Eagles as she recorded another double double with 22 points and 11 rebounds, she also had 7 steals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 26, 2007, 10:41:50 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on January 26, 2007, 02:59:35 PM


Here's tonight's line-up....

Friday, January 26

Lynchburg at Bridgewater

Hollins at Roanoke

R-M Woman's Coll. at Eastern Mennonite

Emory & Henry at Virginia Wesleyan
   
Guilford at Randolph-Macon


No surprises for me.


5-0. When we all say anyone can win in the ODAC you have one of the totally uneventful evenings.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 26, 2007, 10:45:52 PM
Sat., Jan 27 3:00 pm Randolph-Macon Woman's   at Bridgewater (Va.)       
  4:00 pm Lynchburg   at Eastern Mennonite       
  4:00 pm Guilford   at Virginia Wesleyan       
  4:30 pm Emory and Henry   at Randolph-Macon


Tommorrow looks like another yawner..........
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on January 27, 2007, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on January 26, 2007, 06:33:56 PM
yes, they will be broadcasting it....

http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=906

Much Thanks fairmont1113   :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 27, 2007, 05:08:19 PM
BC wins by 45 over RM-Women's, 81-36.

Not that exciting of a game. The Eagles looked good with everyone getting in the action, but it was only RM-Women's, so you can't get too excited.

How did they beat Roanoke?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 27, 2007, 09:00:18 PM
RMC wins easily. 25 point lead after 8 minutes. E&H's Lyons was impressive, could play with any team.Good game for Ariail. Hiltunen and Riesbeck also in double figures with less than 20 minutes of play.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2007, 06:37:03 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 26, 2007, 10:45:52 PM
Sat., Jan 27 3:00 pm Randolph-Macon Woman's   at Bridgewater (Va.)       
  4:00 pm Lynchburg   at Eastern Mennonite       
  4:00 pm Guilford   at Virginia Wesleyan       
  4:30 pm Emory and Henry   at Randolph-Macon


Tommorrow looks like another yawner..........

Make that 2 uneventful evenings in a row. ODAC really down to a 4 team race.
Games between these 4 will decide the regular season championship. If anyone can run the table they may also get an at-large ticket to the dance.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2007, 10:27:10 AM
Anyone know of another team besides RMC where the top 2 scorers share a position and never play at the same time? Pretty unusual but seems to be working. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 28, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 28, 2007, 10:27:10 AM
Anyone know of another team besides RMC where the top 2 scorers share a position and never play at the same time? Pretty unusual but seems to be working. :)

I assume you're talking about Riesbeck and Ariail?

Riesbeck averages 19.9 minutes a game, while Ariail averaged 22.1.  That means they have to be on the court at the same time at least 2.2 minutes a game, although it's likely more.

So you can't say they never play at the same time. :)  I'm sure when it comes down to the ODAC tournament, Coach LaHaye will play her best players as much as she can.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2007, 12:20:42 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 28, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: GAVA on January 28, 2007, 10:27:10 AM
Anyone know of another team besides RMC where the top 2 scorers share a position and never play at the same time? Pretty unusual but seems to be working. :)

I assume you're talking about Riesbeck and Ariail?

Riesbeck averages 19.9 minutes a game, while Ariail averaged 22.1.  That means they have to be on the court at the same time at least 2.2 minutes a game, although it's likely more.

So you can't say they never play at the same time. :)  I'm sure when it comes down to the ODAC tournament, Coach LaHaye will play her best players as much as she can.

Thats 2.0 minutes and I doubt it is any more since they are both playing the 5 position. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2007, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 28, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
I'm sure when it comes down to the ODAC tournament, Coach LaHaye will play her best players as much as she can.
Arial has never started.  To play them both LaHaye would have to change the starting line up.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 28, 2007, 03:08:21 PM
Quote from: GAVA on January 28, 2007, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 28, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
I'm sure when it comes down to the ODAC tournament, Coach LaHaye will play her best players as much as she can.
Arial has never started.  To play them both LaHaye would have to change the starting line up.



Umm, why can't Ariail and Riesbeck play together with only one starting?  I think there will be times during the ODAC tournament where Coach LaHaye will want to play "big."

Just saying ... I'm not surprised that they are the top two scorers.  R-MC is simply playing to their strength offensively, which is with their bigs.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 28, 2007, 06:14:52 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 28, 2007, 03:08:21 PM

Umm, why can't Ariail and Riesbeck play together with only one starting?  I think there will be times during the ODAC tournament where Coach LaHaye will want to play "big."


She might, but hasn't so far ( with the exception of the couple games Morgan missed ). To play them both at the same time you have to move Riesbeck to another position and sit out one of your starters.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 29, 2007, 07:23:45 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 28, 2007, 03:08:21 PM
  R-MC is simply playing to their strength offensively, which is with their bigs.

Except for Hiltunen who is the smallest player on the team. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on January 29, 2007, 10:24:38 PM
There hasn't been to much talk about EMU this year.  They are quietly having a nice year.  I haven't been able to make a game yet.  Are their any stars on the team or just a solid team effort each night?

How will they do in the tourny?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on January 30, 2007, 10:12:18 AM
Re:  EMU
When I saw them play, they looked like they worked very well as a team - I know - a dirty concept to some people on this board!  If you had to pick a superstar, I guess it would be the Riley girl.  I was surprised by how well EMU is now doing.  When they got rattled, though, it seemed like they just collapsed.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 30, 2007, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: waterlucy on January 30, 2007, 10:12:18 AM
Re:  EMU
When I saw them play, they looked like they worked very well as a team - I know - a dirty concept to some people on this board!  If you had to pick a superstar, I guess it would be the Riley girl.  I was surprised by how well EMU is now doing.  When they got rattled, though, it seemed like they just collapsed.

Okay....enough about some people on this board not liking the whole "team" concept because that was never said. Sport is largely about the team, but there is also an individual aspect to the game that some people like to talk about every now and then. That is the part that some people on this board do not like. Grow up!


Now...all that was asked was about EMU...and yes....they are very good this year and will be good next year as well. They play extremely aggressive, which is why they match up with VWC well. I have been to four of their games and have been very impressed with them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 30, 2007, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on January 30, 2007, 10:45:53 AM
Okay....enough about some people on this board not liking the whole "team" concept because that was never said. Sport is largely about the team, but there is also an individual aspect to the game that some people like to talk about every now and then. That is the part that some people on this board do not like. Grow up!

I'm with you.  I find it funny that people don't like to speak about the individual aspect of basketball.  Yes, it's a team sport, but what's the problem with honoring the individuals who stand out over the rest?  I find nothing wrong with celebrating the women who are having great seasons even if their team isn't.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 30, 2007, 04:36:11 PM
Bridgewater hosts No. 17 Mary Washington tonight.  Hopefully the Eagles can earn the ODAC some respect.

The ODAC has played three schools receiving votes in the latest D3hoops.com poll, and we lost all three;

- Guilford lost to No. 12 McMurry, 78-44
- Virginia Wesleyan lost to No. 21 Lake Forest, 80-56
- Bridgewater lost to "No. 42" George Fox, 56-41
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on January 30, 2007, 07:08:09 PM
Emory & Henry will play Washington & Lee without 3 of their major players - in particular - Katherine Brandt, the team's leading scorer.  Many people have question the wisdom of starting the year with over 20 players - it seems the unrest continues at E & H.  Without these players on the team anymore, it should be smooth sailing for W & L.  The brackets for the ODAC tournament continue to shuffle.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on January 30, 2007, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: waterlucy on January 30, 2007, 07:08:09 PM
Emory & Henry will play Washington & Lee without 3 of their major players - in particular - Katherine Brandt, the team's leading scorer.  Many people have question the wisdom of starting the year with over 20 players - it seems the unrest continues at E & H.  Without these players on the team anymore, it should be smooth sailing for W & L.  The brackets for the ODAC tournament continue to shuffle.

You are not talking about individual players are you ? :o :o.......just teasing.. ;)
I saw E&H at RMC. Lyons was impressive, could play with any team in ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 30, 2007, 10:27:25 PM
Bridgewater lost a tough one in overtime tonight against #17 Mary Washington, 89-81.

Bridgewater was very positive after the game as there were many good things to be taken from the game. All 5 starters reached double figures, with Shannon Scales and Katy Herr Lovell leading the way with 18 and 16 points respectively. Bridgewater played intense and aggressive, and gave a very good team a run for their money.

Herr Lovell sunk two free throws with 3.6 seconds left to tie the game and send it into overtime, and then MWU just got hot in OT to down BC.

Herr Lovell also finished with 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, 1 block, and only 1 turnover in 45 minutes. Amy Childs put in a solid game with 15 points, 9 rebounds, and 6 assists.

Debbie Bruen, the leading scorer for MWU, had a great game with 23 points and 10 rebounds. She is very good!

BC played great, and if they play this caliber of play then ODAC foes will have a tough time beating them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 31, 2007, 10:45:01 AM
fairmont-
Bridgewater was very impressive, and played great. they got very supportive fans too so have a great atmosphere to play in. 19 of 20 is best team free throw performance I can remember, too. Herr Lovell doesn't stop playing ever when she is on the court, which was always last night. good luck in ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on January 31, 2007, 11:02:47 AM
Randolph-Macon beats Lynchburg 62-44.  Sorry I couldn't make it, but would like to hear something from someone who attended.  Weren't we down at the half?  ??? How'd we get back into it?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 31, 2007, 11:10:12 AM
fairmont-
and ... a friend who listened to the game on Bridgewater radio said the announcer did a good job
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 31, 2007, 01:10:35 PM
bbald eagle-
thanks for your posts! Coach Bill and Scott Lowe are the voices for BC radio. They do the Men's and Women's basketball as well as the football, and are both active in local radio. They both do an excellent job and have good chemistry between each other. It's nice to have the games broadcasted, especially with two talented broadcasters.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on January 31, 2007, 03:46:35 PM
Congrats to RMC on the win over lynchburg.. they are currently on a 10 game winning streak. And also to Morgan (yes, I'm talking about an individual here) for a great game, scoring 14 points, 4-6 from 3 point range. She may not consistently be a big scorer but she steps up when she needs to.

On another note, 3 more wins for RMC and Coach Lahaye will get her 400th win!

Also, congrats to Megan Silva ... her number 11 will be retired on Feb 16th in Crenshaw!  :D

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on January 31, 2007, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: baller116 on January 31, 2007, 03:46:35 PM

On another note, 3 more wins for RMC and Coach Lahaye will get her 400th win!

Also, congrats to Megan Silva ... her number 11 will be retired on Feb 16th in Crenshaw!  :D



Congratulations to Coach Lahaye--400 victories is an achievement that's not seen too often.

Glad Silva is getting her number retired.  To be perfectly candid, Randolph-Macon has never seen a player like her, male or female, in the 175 years of the existence of the college.  We probably won't again.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 01, 2007, 08:56:56 AM
Marlins take care of Randolph College last night 73-32.

Congratulations to:
Michelle Dove 3 boards 3 points 2 assists
Chelsey Barrett 5 boards 8 points 3 assists
Lauren Rector 1 rebound 3 points 3 assists 3 steal
Andrea Ushinski 5 boards 8 points 2 assists
Nicole Thurston 4 boards 7 points 1 block 13 min
Allison Wheeler 1 board 2 points 1 block 1 steal
Bryttani Payton returning to the floor after injury most of the season
Rachel Davy 1 board 3 points
Taylor Lowe 6 boards 8 points
Lindsey Churchill 5 boards 9 points 2 blocks
Tonia Jones 9 boards 6 points 2 assists 2 steals
Heather Phillips 7 boards 11 points
Jill Weston 1 board 4 points 2 assists
Maggie Smith 2 boards 2 points 1 steal

If you belive everything you read in this board then it looks like it will be 14 on 3 in Ashland on Saturday, since Macon only has a few girls to talk about. I like the those numbers GO MARLINS!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 01, 2007, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 01, 2007, 08:56:56 AM
Marlins take care of Randolph College last night 73-32.

Congratulations to:
Michelle Dove 3 boards 3 points 2 assists
Chelsey Barrett 5 boards 8 points 3 assists
Lauren Rector 1 rebound 3 points 3 assists 3 steal
Andrea Ushinski 5 boards 8 points 2 assists
Nicole Thurston 4 boards 7 points 1 block 13 min
Allison Wheeler 1 board 2 points 1 block 1 steal
Bryttani Payton returning to the floor after injury most of the season
Rachel Davy 1 board 3 points
Taylor Lowe 6 boards 8 points
Lindsey Churchill 5 boards 9 points 2 blocks
Tonia Jones 9 boards 6 points 2 assists 2 steals
Heather Phillips 7 boards 11 points
Jill Weston 1 board 4 points 2 assists
Maggie Smith 2 boards 2 points 1 steal

If you belive everything you read in this board then it looks like it will be 14 on 3 in Ashland on Saturday, since Macon only has a few girls to talk about. I like the those numbers GO MARLINS!


Thats a pretty cocky statement.. RMC only has a few girls to talk about? There are 3 players on macon averaging double digit points as opposed to the marlins one player Thurston. There are also four more players averaging 6-7 points on RMC per game, which looks like a pretty good balance to me. And do you honestly think the talent level of those 14 players is at the same level as those particular 3? Maybe Thurston. We will see Saturday though.... GO JACKETS!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 01, 2007, 12:19:59 PM
Right now, how do you think, impartially, the ODAC seedings will be going into the tournament? Just wanted to ask this before the big games of the next week hit us and it all gets jumbled up yet again.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 01, 2007, 12:29:30 PM
Quote from: baller116 on February 01, 2007, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 01, 2007, 08:56:56 AM
thats a pretty cocky statement.. RMC only has a few girls to talk about?

Hey I dont write the rest of the posts. There have been 4 Jackets talked about and one of them doesn't play there any more.  So if you go by the posts the Marlins have to stop 3 players the jackets 14.

FYI Marlins
                   7 players 6 or more per game

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 01, 2007, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 01, 2007, 08:56:56 AM
Marlins take care of Randolph College last night 73-32.

Congratulations to:
Michelle Dove 3 boards 3 points 2 assists
Chelsey Barrett 5 boards 8 points 3 assists
Lauren Rector 1 rebound 3 points 3 assists 3 steal
Andrea Ushinski 5 boards 8 points 2 assists
Nicole Thurston 4 boards 7 points 1 block 13 min
Allison Wheeler 1 board 2 points 1 block 1 steal
Bryttani Payton returning to the floor after injury most of the season
Rachel Davy 1 board 3 points
Taylor Lowe 6 boards 8 points
Lindsey Churchill 5 boards 9 points 2 blocks
Tonia Jones 9 boards 6 points 2 assists 2 steals
Heather Phillips 7 boards 11 points
Jill Weston 1 board 4 points 2 assists
Maggie Smith 2 boards 2 points 1 steal

If you belive everything you read in this board then it looks like it will be 14 on 3 in Ashland on Saturday, since Macon only has a few girls to talk about. I like the those numbers GO MARLINS!

Wow... that's definitely a BOLD statement... no doubt VWC has great players this year, is doing very well, and is tough to beat... but listing off a bunch of stats from a game against the Woman's College and THEN saying R-MC only has a FEW girls to talk about? Please....
I've honestly only seen a couple of games this year, but I keep pretty close tabs on R-MC and I think it's safe to say there are more than a FEW girls that have played oustanding so far this season. I won't go into details because baller116 has listed enough info to refute that statement.

And I will be there in person on Saturday to see the R-MC/VWC game... LET'S GO JACKETS!!!!

P.S. -- Congrats to Silv on her jersey being retired soon!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 01, 2007, 12:55:40 PM
You people just don't get it do you? Its not about stats. its about Wins and Losses and who is left standing at the end of the tournament.  What hapens if your 1 20+ point a night player has a bad night? what happens if 1 of VWCs 14 players has a bad night? The Marlins shot 1-22 from 3 point range in thier loss to EMU including 1-12 from thier usualy reliable guards, and lost by 1 point. Riesbeck and Hilton in the Macon Roanoke game had 6 and 12 points 7-21 combined from the floor (which I would assume you would call an off night for the Jacket stars) in a 13 point loss. Yeah i know early in the season, the jackets are hot, whatever else you want to say but everyone puts SO much on thier "stars" what happens when they don't perform? wouldnt rather have a group of players who Collectively get it done night in and night out. I sure would
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 01, 2007, 01:20:58 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 01, 2007, 08:56:56 AM
Marlins take care of Randolph College last night 73-32.

Congratulations to:
Michelle Dove 3 boards 3 points 2 assists
Chelsey Barrett 5 boards 8 points 3 assists
Lauren Rector 1 rebound 3 points 3 assists 3 steal
Andrea Ushinski 5 boards 8 points 2 assists
Nicole Thurston 4 boards 7 points 1 block 13 min
Allison Wheeler 1 board 2 points 1 block 1 steal
Bryttani Payton returning to the floor after injury most of the season
Rachel Davy 1 board 3 points
Taylor Lowe 6 boards 8 points
Lindsey Churchill 5 boards 9 points 2 blocks
Tonia Jones 9 boards 6 points 2 assists 2 steals
Heather Phillips 7 boards 11 points
Jill Weston 1 board 4 points 2 assists
Maggie Smith 2 boards 2 points 1 steal

If you belive everything you read in this board then it looks like it will be 14 on 3 in Ashland on Saturday, since Macon only has a few girls to talk about. I like the those numbers GO MARLINS!

Don't think I would generalize much from that game. RMC had 10 players score against them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 01, 2007, 01:24:29 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 01, 2007, 12:55:40 PM
You people just don't get it do you? Its not about stats. its about Wins and Losses and who is left standing at the end of the tournament.  What hapens if your 1 20+ point a night player has a bad night? what happens if 1 of VWCs 14 players has a bad night? The Marlins shot 1-22 from 3 point range in thier loss to EMU including 1-12 from thier usualy reliable guards, and lost by 1 point. Riesbeck and Hilton in the Macon Roanoke game had 6 and 12 points 7-21 combined from the floor (which I would assume you would call an off night for the Jacket stars) in a 13 point loss. Yeah i know early in the season, the jackets are hot, whatever else you want to say but everyone puts SO much on thier "stars" what happens when they don't perform? wouldnt rather have a group of players who Collectively get it done night in and night out. I sure would

vwcbeachbum --
I never said it was about stats... you were the one that listed out the box score from the VWC/Randolph game to show how deep the VWC squad is this year. I also didn't name any "stars" on the R-MC team... and I know it's going to sound sappy, but I think every player on that team is a star in their own way.

I've played right beside many of the ladies on the team this year, whether it was in an official ODAC game or a pickup game in the R-MC gym, and I can tell you that when one of them has a "bad night" another teammate steps up and assumes the lead role. These ladies not only have talent... they have heart... which is something that I've seen at all other ODAC schools as well. It's what makes our conference special.

You asked the question, "wouldn't you rather have a group of players who collectively get it done night in and night out?" Whether you meant to or not, you are, in fact, talking about the R-MC squad.

Last time I checked, R-MC was 15-3 overall, 12-2 in the ODAC, and VWC is 17-4 overall, 14-2 in the ODAC. Looks like BOTH teams are getting it done night in and night out.

... and it's all about "who is left standing at the end of the tournament"? R-MC has been left standing 4 times... how many ODAC Tournament Championships does VWC have?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 01, 2007, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: GeneralFan on February 01, 2007, 12:19:59 PM
Right now, how do you think, impartially, the ODAC seedings will be going into the tournament? Just wanted to ask this before the big games of the next week hit us and it all gets jumbled up yet again.

VWC, RMC, Bridgewater and EMU will be top 4 seeds and all will advance to semi-finals.... 8)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 02, 2007, 11:10:34 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 01, 2007, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: GeneralFan on February 01, 2007, 12:19:59 PM
Right now, how do you think, impartially, the ODAC seedings will be going into the tournament? Just wanted to ask this before the big games of the next week hit us and it all gets jumbled up yet again.

VWC, RMC, Bridgewater and EMU will be top 4 seeds and all will advance to semi-finals.... 8)

After the very "scientific method" (PLEASE note my sarcasm here! ;)) of going through the remaining scheduled games, picking the winners, and tallying up wins and losses, my picks for specific seeds actually works out to the way the standings are right now (weird... I know!)

1. VWC
2. RMC
3. BC
4. EMU
5. Roanoke
6. W&L
7. GC
8. LC

The losses that all top four teams have incurred have been from each other, except for the W&L victory over BC and the Roanoke victories over R-MC and BC.

I think that W&L and Roanoke have the possibility of creating an "upset" situation... and as always, YOU NEVER KNOW what will happen come tournament time -- there have been some crazy outcomes over the years!

I'll hold off on picking specific teams to advance until we have the final seedings...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 02, 2007, 09:29:46 PM
Bridgewater 61
Guilford        41

Amy Childs had a huge game for BC recording a double double with 14 points and 11 rebounds. Katy Herr Lovell was once again solid with 12 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, and 3 steals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 02, 2007, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 02, 2007, 11:10:34 AM
After the very "scientific method" (PLEASE note my sarcasm here! ;)) of going through the remaining scheduled games, picking the winners, and tallying up wins and losses, my picks for specific seeds actually works out to the way the standings are right now (weird... I know!)

1. VWC
2. RMC
3. BC
4. EMU
5. Roanoke
6. W&L
7. GC
8. LC


I actually believe that the current rankings are going to be mixed up before the end of the season. I think these 8 are the 8 that are going to the tournament. I do not think E&H, Hollins, or RMWC has a shot (especially with E&H losing their top scorer).


I think Guilford could potentially drop all the way to the bottom with Lynchburg, a team I think has definite potential, moving to #7.

I think RMC, VWC, BC, and EMU all have legitimate shots at the #1 seed, with several big games between these teams left to be played, it all depends on who gets hot here at the end of the season.

I think W&L could pass Roanoke for the #5 spot. Those two teams still have to play, and W&L is starting to heat up with a fairly easy schedule the rest of the way (the Generals are done playing the top 3 schools in the conference) while Roanoke is still what they have been all season, inconsistent.

I think there is a lot of up-in-the-airs and that this will be a fun end to the season!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 03, 2007, 11:08:27 AM
A big game tonight against the current top teams in the ODAC (RMC vs. VWC)!!

What is everyone's bold predictions?

Since I am an outsider and do not care for either team, my prediction is very unbiased......and I am going to go with RMC.

I think Coach LaHaye is a bit more experienced at the reigns then Dunmyer, and she will have her squad ready to avenge an earlier loss to the Marlins. I also think homecourt advantage will have a play.

VWC, a very good team, has yet to prove themselves against the big dogs....losing to BC and EMU, and also dropping a loss to nationally ranked Lake Forest. Their one big win was earlier this season against RMC, so this would be huge for this squad to sweep RMC.


(I would like to see VWC win, because then if BC won out they would be the 1st place seed as they would hold the tie breaker over the Marlins)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 03, 2007, 04:36:46 PM
RMC up 28-23 at the half.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 03, 2007, 05:39:16 PM
49-43 heartbreaker for the Marlins - tied until right at the end...both teams not shooting well from the floor at all.    :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 03, 2007, 05:52:20 PM
great win for RMC... looks like 14 vs 3 didnt work out for the marlins favor..
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 03, 2007, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 03, 2007, 05:39:16 PM
49-43 heartbreaker for the Marlins - tied until right at the end...both teams not shooting well from the floor at all.    :-\

Yes, less than 30 % shooting for both teams. Together they were 2 for 30 from 3 point range with some poor selection. Thank goodness they were playing each other or they both may have lost.
RMC takes over first place in ODAC, first year post-Silva, which suprises even me. 8)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 03, 2007, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: baller116 on February 03, 2007, 05:52:20 PM
great win for RMC... looks like 14 vs 3 didnt work out for the marlins favor..


yes, don't know if we will hear from beachbum today. :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 03, 2007, 10:02:02 PM
Good win for the Jackets today... both teams definitely not shooting very well... but overall it was an exciting game -- glad R-MC could pull it out in the end!

R-MC's got Catholic on Monday, and then it's over to Bridgewater, which should be a good game, and I'm excited I'll be able to be there!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 03, 2007, 11:33:54 PM
Another big win for the Generals today over Roanoke. This is a team that is yet to play their best basketball and has rolled off 9 of their last 10 and 7 in a row. Jess Hunsinger with her 5th double-double in a row today.

Looking at that box score from Crenshaw, how is it Va Wes shot 16 percent from the field in the second half? Was it Jacket defense, bad shot selection or a combo of the two?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 04, 2007, 07:30:43 AM
Of course you will hear from me I'm not like that.. What can I say RMC made one more shot down the stretch then VWC did. Second close loss for the Marlins where they did not shoot well from the outside. The old live by the three die by the three idea. Looks like they got good numbers from thier inside game but nothing from the guards. Defense and bad shooting in a game of the 2 highest scoring teams in the ODAC. I have a feeling they will see each other one more time, best out of three for all the money..... VWC has to rebound quick with a road game at lynchburg tuesday, no time to  I i'll still take 14 vs 3 any day but i need somebody to make a shot ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 04, 2007, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 04, 2007, 07:30:43 AM
Of course you will hear from me I'm not like that.. What can I say RMC made one more shot down the stretch then VWC did. Second close loss for the Marlins where they did not shoot well from the outside. The old live by the three die by the three idea. Looks like they got good numbers from thier inside game but nothing from the guards. Defense and bad shooting in a game of the 2 highest scoring teams in the ODAC. I have a feeling they will see each other one more time, best out of three for all the money..... VWC has to rebound quick with a road game at lynchburg tuesday, no time to  I i'll still take 14 vs 3 any day but i need somebody to make a shot ;)

So I guess you are now saying 14 players can all have a bad shooting night  ???

Just clarifying.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 04, 2007, 02:14:41 PM
The VWC / RMC game was a good one. VWC did not manage the clock well, nor did they have good shot selection in the last 2 minutes of the game. RMC did a good job getting the ball in low to the post. Number 50 hit some key shots down the stretch. This week will be a  big week with Bridgewater coming in on Saturday. RMC goes to Bridgewater on Wednesday. This could net get any better ; :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 04, 2007, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: GeneralFan on February 03, 2007, 11:33:54 PM
Another big win for the Generals today over Roanoke. This is a team that is yet to play their best basketball and has rolled off 9 of their last 10 and 7 in a row. Jess Hunsinger with her 5th double-double in a row today.

Looking at that box score from Crenshaw, how is it Va Wes shot 16 percent from the field in the second half? Was it Jacket defense, bad shot selection or a combo of the two?
Dear General fan - I would not say it was a "big win".  Your team had 28 turnovers, something which has been a problem all season.  You did beat a very inconsistent team and hold Hanson to 14 some points.  Come tournament time it will take more of an effort.  Congratulations on moving up, though.  The Generals should be able to coast through their easy remaining schedule.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 05, 2007, 10:05:50 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 04, 2007, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: GeneralFan on February 03, 2007, 11:33:54 PM
Another big win for the Generals today over Roanoke. This is a team that is yet to play their best basketball and has rolled off 9 of their last 10 and 7 in a row. Jess Hunsinger with her 5th double-double in a row today.

Looking at that box score from Crenshaw, how is it Va Wes shot 16 percent from the field in the second half? Was it Jacket defense, bad shot selection or a combo of the two?
Dear General fan - I would not say it was a "big win".  Your team had 28 turnovers, something which has been a problem all season.  You did beat a very inconsistent team and hold Hanson to 14 some points.  Come tournament time it will take more of an effort.  Congratulations on moving up, though.  The Generals should be able to coast through their easy remaining schedule.

Whitecaylxx: I would say this is a big win for several reasons. One: the generals beat the Maroons for the first time ever in the Warner Center. As you will remember, the generals defeated the team from Salem for the first time ever last year in the Bast Center but Erin Hanson was out due to injury. Secondly, the win was big because beating Susan Dunagan is a feat that should be celebrated. Nearly 500 wins? She's not that near to a milestone without some great coaching to go along with the good atheletes down in Salem. Thirdly, this is huge because Jess Hunsinger got yet another double-double. The only double double I'm going to ever get is if Wendy's does a special on their burgers. So, kudos to this force down low for the Gennies. Fourthly, this is a big win for the generals because they are showing that they can win with turnovers. Being able to get over your mental mistakes, while a situation one would prefer not to be in to begin with, is tough but the generals had the ability to do just that. Fianlly, Roanoke was a team above them in the standings. So what if they've been inconsistent! It's still another win and also one against a team that has beaten BC and RMC. Sure there were a lot of turnovers but that doesn't matter because it's still a W.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 05, 2007, 10:57:35 AM
General fan - Didn't mean to hit your sensitive spot!  What's that about? Jessica Hunsiger is a fantastic player for the Generals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 05, 2007, 01:17:22 PM
Not being sensitive just answering in hopefully the most logical and thorough manner possible.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 05, 2007, 01:21:30 PM
The four teams battling for the top four seeds:

1 - Randolph-Macon (13-2)
2 - Virginia Wesleyan (14-3)
3 - Bridgewater (13-3)
4 - Eastern Mennonite (13-3)

The four schools against the others in the top four:

1 - Randolph-Macon (3-1: 1-0 vs BC, 1-0 EMU, 1-1 VWC)
2 - Bridgewater (3-1: 2-0 vs EMU, 1-0 vs VWC, 0-1 vs R-MC)
3 - Eastern Mennonite (1-3: 1-0 vs VWC, 0-1 R-MC, 0-2 vs BC)
4 - Virginia Wesleyan (1-3: 1-1 vs R-MC, 0-1 BC, 0-1 EMU)

Remaining games:

Feb. 7 - Randolph-Macon at Bridgewater
Feb. 10 - Bridgewater at Virginia Wesleyan
Feb. 13 - Eastern Mennonite at Randolph-Macon
Feb. 17 - Virginia Wesleyan at Eastern Mennonite
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: unknown21 on February 05, 2007, 02:02:01 PM
VA W and Bridgewater were both undone by poor coaching in their games against RMC. Bridgewater's coach switched into a 2-3 matchup zone in the second half, got some traction going against RMC and then for some reason went back to her M2M. RMC was struggling against the zone and when things went back to the M2M they got flow going again and held off BW for the rest of the game. VW was using a trapping full court press in the start of the second half against RMC. RMC looked like they had never seen that b4, definitely had the deer in the headlights look...it got VW back into a tie game, and then Dunkenberger switched out of that and back into her regular M2M and 2-3 zone,,,which killed the traction/momentum they had been getting. I'm not so sure that BOTH coach's didn't out-think themselves in those situations..
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 05, 2007, 07:08:29 PM
Another ODAC/CAC matchup tonight. 16-3 Randolph Macon at 13-7 Catholic U. 7 p.m. tip.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on February 05, 2007, 07:38:19 PM
Catholic 31
Randolph-Macon 20
at the 1/2 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 05, 2007, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: unknown21 on February 05, 2007, 02:02:01 PM
VA W and Bridgewater were both undone by poor coaching in their games against RMC. Bridgewater's coach switched into a 2-3 matchup zone in the second half, got some traction going against RMC and then for some reason went back to her M2M. RMC was struggling against the zone and when things went back to the M2M they got flow going again and held off BW for the rest of the game. VW was using a trapping full court press in the start of the second half against RMC. RMC looked like they had never seen that b4, definitely had the deer in the headlights look...it got VW back into a tie game, and then Dunkenberger switched out of that and back into her regular M2M and 2-3 zone,,,which killed the traction/momentum they had been getting. I'm not so sure that BOTH coach's didn't out-think themselves in those situations..

You are an idiot..... Karma that :) I don't know what game you saw between VWC and RMC but VWC played Zone the almost the entire 2nd half which got them back into the game becuase Macon (and VWC) where shooting so poorly from the outside. VWC pressed the first half and was down 5 at the half. VWC is a pressing team but they have gone to zone at times and it has been very effective. Thanks for your rubish it was fun to read.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Balder Eagle on February 05, 2007, 08:41:35 PM
Final
68 CUA
63 RMC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 05, 2007, 08:49:40 PM
great effort by RMC tonight.. and great game to freshman Molly Arial on having career high 29 points! By looking at the stats, it seemed like a very tight game, no team really dominating in any category except maybe rebounds.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: unknown21 on February 05, 2007, 10:20:00 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 05, 2007, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: unknown21 on February 05, 2007, 02:02:01 PM
VA W and Bridgewater were both undone by poor coaching in their games against RMC. Bridgewater's coach switched into a 2-3 matchup zone in the second half, got some traction going against RMC and then for some reason went back to her M2M. RMC was struggling against the zone and when things went back to the M2M they got flow going again and held off BW for the rest of the game. VW was using a trapping full court press in the start of the second half against RMC. RMC looked like they had never seen that b4, definitely had the deer in the headlights look...it got VW back into a tie game, and then Dunkenberger switched out of that and back into her regular M2M and 2-3 zone,,,which killed the traction/momentum they had been getting. I'm not so sure that BOTH coach's didn't out-think themselves in those situations..
sorry I was sitting at a spot that most others couldn't be at...yawls press got you back into theg amea dn then you stopped it...too bad...


You are an idiot..... Karma that :) I don't know what game you saw between VWC and RMC but VWC played Zone the almost the entire 2nd half which got them back into the game becuase Macon (and VWC) where shooting so poorly from the outside. VWC pressed the first half and was down 5 at the half. VWC is a pressing team but they have gone to zone at times and it has been very effective. Thanks for your rubish it was fun to read.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 06, 2007, 08:50:30 AM
Quote from: baller116 on February 05, 2007, 08:49:40 PM
great effort by RMC tonight.. and great game to freshman Molly Arial on having career high 29 points! By looking at the stats, it seemed like a very tight game, no team really dominating in any category except maybe rebounds.

After RMC loss at Catholic I am resigned that only one team from ODAC will be going to March Madness. The ODAC has not done well in OC games, with no upsets of ranked teams, and has given the impression of being a weaker conference this year. No ODAC team received any votes in this week's poll. :'(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 06, 2007, 08:59:18 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 06, 2007, 08:50:30 AM
Quote from: baller116 on February 05, 2007, 08:49:40 PM
great effort by RMC tonight.. and great game to freshman Molly Arial on having career high 29 points! By looking at the stats, it seemed like a very tight game, no team really dominating in any category except maybe rebounds.

After RMC loss at Catholic I am resigned that only one team from ODAC will be going to March Madness. The ODAC has not done well in OC games, with no upsets of ranked teams, and has given the impression of being a weaker conference this year. No ODAC team received any votes in this week's poll. :'(

Guess how many votes Bridgewater received in the final regular season D3hoops.com Top 25 last year before their run to the Sweet 16 of the NCAA tournament?

0.

Also keep in mind that last season, Bridgewater had a 2-3 out-of-conference record during the regular season and six total losses after the ODAC tournament, yet still received an at-large.

With Macon with four losses, and VWC, BC, and EMU with five, I still think one of those could run the table and lose in the ODAC finals and have a chance at an at-large.

It's also worth noting that R-MC, VWC, BC, and EMU all have one non-regional loss (Vanguard, Lake Forest, George Fox, and Southern Virginia, respectively).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 06, 2007, 06:01:44 PM
Nice article today in the DNR about EMU's Riley. 

www.dnronline.com

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 07, 2007, 09:04:35 AM
General Fan - I guess my previous comments were a little more on the mark than you thought.  I guess it was a "big win" for Guilford. :o  Congratulations to Jessica Hunsiger for her new record!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 07, 2007, 12:21:28 PM
Sounds like Lynchburg gave VWC a little bit of a scare before the Marlins pulled away in the second half.

This Lynchburg squad is poised for an upset.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2007, 01:48:11 PM
Kind of stinks tonight's Randolph-Macon at Bridgewater game won't be on the radio or internet.  Both of the radio crews will be at the men's game between R-MC and BC.

I'll be attending the women's game tonight ... would anyone be interested in a live scoring play-by-play?  If so, I can see if I can take a laptop into the gym and do that.  Let me know.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2007, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2007, 01:48:11 PM
Kind of stinks tonight's Randolph-Macon at Bridgewater game won't be on the radio or internet.  Both of the radio crews will be at the men's game between R-MC and BC.

I'll be attending the women's game tonight ... would anyone be interested in a live scoring play-by-play?  If so, I can see if I can take a laptop into the gym and do that.  Let me know.

I checked into it, and yes, I'll be able to do a live play-by-play through Bridgewater.edu ... I have created a specific page for it:

http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=1223

You will have to reload the page for updates as I add them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 07, 2007, 02:41:08 PM
Kid, I've said it before, and I'll say it again:  your intensity for all things Bridgewater is both admirable and amazing.  The Eagles are lucky to have you as a resource. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 07, 2007, 02:44:39 PM
Thanks Kid. I was going to attend this game with the night off from work but with all the snow I will not be able to travel over the mountains. Thanks for the updates!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2007, 02:44:51 PM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer on February 07, 2007, 02:41:08 PM
Kid, I've said it before, and I'll say it again:  your intensity for all things Bridgewater is both admirable and amazing.  The Eagles are lucky to have you as a resource. ;)

Ha ... I appreciate the kind words, but I figured since I attend the games anyway and usually just sit on my behind, I could be put to good use.  It doesn't hurt that I've been the one building back the sports pages on Bridgewater.edu since we got a new web design.  So I guess I had some "pull" on creating this page. ;)  The SID here at BC (Steve) was very helpful as well.

This way, BC and R-MC fans that are torn about tonight's two games can listen at home to the men and watch the play-by-play for the women. :-)

Now ... let's just hope it works! :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 07, 2007, 06:02:44 PM
I posed this same question for the VWC vs. RMC game...and got no response....so...I'll try it again for the BC vs. RMC game...

Who's going to win?


I am going to go with BC as they are starting to play to their potential (despite what they did during their midseason slump) and they will be at home.

Should be a good game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 07, 2007, 06:59:06 PM
only having seen them each once, I'd give the edge to Bridgewater, especially at home
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 07, 2007, 07:41:53 PM
Matt - I "watched" part of the first half on your page - your "broadcast" seems to be going well
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 07, 2007, 07:49:52 PM
RMC 36 BC 29 at half...

If RMC can pull this one out without leading scorer Reisbeck (who seems to be out with injury), this should really intimidate some teams in the ODAC going into the tournament time..

Go Jackets!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 07, 2007, 08:31:57 PM
BC 68, RMC 67 with 1:32 left.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 07, 2007, 08:39:12 PM
RMC 72  BC 71 ...FINAL
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 07, 2007, 08:40:59 PM
Great job Matt. It's official, BC must win the ODAC Tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 07, 2007, 08:43:11 PM
At least the BC Men beat RMC by 2 points 65-63.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2007, 08:47:27 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on February 07, 2007, 08:40:59 PM
Great job Matt. It's official, BC must win the ODAC Tournament.

Thanks.  Other than the final score (what a final three two minutes! phew), it was fun to do.  Sorry I couldn't get too specific with stats, all I could do (quick enough) was scoring, fouls, and timeouts.

All I have to say is Shaffer and Ariail are the real deal.  What a one-two punch.  Going to be hard to beat them (and a healthy Reisbeck) come tournament time.

It'll be interesting to see how others (both BC and RMC fans) react to the offensive foul call on Herr Lovell with under a minute to go.  She was setting a pick, and IMHO, she was definitely set when a RMC player ran into her.  They called a foul on Herr Lovell.  That should have been a no call.  Our coaching staff was NOT happy after the game with that call.  We were up by one point with 30 or so seconds left when that happened.  Certainly not RMC's fault though ... they played a heck of a game.  I just wish the ref didn't determine the final score. :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 07, 2007, 09:49:04 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2007, 08:47:27 PM


All I have to say is Shaffer and Ariail are the real deal.  What a one-two punch.  Going to be hard to beat them (and a healthy Reisbeck) come tournament time.


Kid, does anyone know for certain why Reisbeck didn't play?
Isn't Ariail too good to be a 6th man? Good game for Shaffer but she is tied with Morgan as 6th scorer and would probably be the one to sit out if both Ariail and Reisbeck started. Is BC out of the big dance now without a ODAC tourney championship? Does RMC still have a shot at an at large bid?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 07, 2007, 11:04:51 PM
I think if RMC wins out the season and makes it to finals of the tourney they might get a bid even if they don't win. They are 4th in South Region of recently released Coaches poll.  I think VWC could get a bid too if they win their last couple regular season games and make it to the tourney finals.

Bottom line, I think we still could have two teams go to the dance.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 07, 2007, 11:33:05 PM
I fully agree with hoopstermom on the NCAA question.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 08, 2007, 07:04:58 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 07, 2007, 11:04:51 PM
I think if RMC wins out the season and makes it to finals of the tourney they might get a bid even if they don't win. They are 4th in South Region of recently released Coaches poll.  I think VWC could get a bid too if they win their last couple regular season games and make it to the tourney finals.

Bottom line, I think we still could have two teams go to the dance.

I would think RMC would have the best chance as they would have the best record, and also have a good track record in the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 08, 2007, 07:09:01 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2007, 08:47:27 PM


All I have to say is Shaffer and Ariail are the real deal.

I think Ariail is the story of the year at RMC. 59 points in 2 games this week. A freshman with Orton's size and Silva's points. Certainly a new game at RMC. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: unknown21 on February 08, 2007, 08:27:17 AM
riesbeck out the entire week with a knee injury and hiltunen having back problems...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 08, 2007, 09:04:15 AM
Got to catch the BC/R-MC game last night... definitely a good one. Congrats to the Jackets for pulling out the W at the end!!!!

And.... after the 59 point performance in 2 games from Ariail, I really HAVE to ask the question that I've been wanting to ask since her first game at R-MC... Freshman of the Year potential?

She's got 6 double doubles on the season... is 4th in the ODAC in rebounds (8.3 rpg) and 10th in scoring (12.9 ppg).

I haven't been able to see that many games this year, so I honestly can say I have no idea what the FOY potential is throughout the ODAC, but I would think that Ariail is the front runner, from what I've seen from her so far this season.

Anyone have any thoughts?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 08, 2007, 09:04:15 AM
Got to catch the BC/R-MC game last night... definitely a good one.

So, what did you think about the foul called on Herr Lovell when setting the pick?  Clearly a game changer.  Had that call not been made, RMC would have had to foul the No. 1 free throw shooting team to the line already up one with under a half a minute to go.

As much as the Jackets had the game in hand from the tipoff until two minutes left in the game, that was Bridgewater's game to lose there at the end ... and the ref made that happen.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 10:35:18 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 08, 2007, 09:04:15 AMAnd.... after the 59 point performance in 2 games from Ariail, I really HAVE to ask the question that I've been wanting to ask since her first game at R-MC... Freshman of the Year potential?

She's got 6 double doubles on the season... is 4th in the ODAC in rebounds (8.3 rpg) and 10th in scoring (12.9 ppg).

I haven't been able to see that many games this year, so I honestly can say I have no idea what the FOY potential is throughout the ODAC, but I would think that Ariail is the front runner, from what I've seen from her so far this season.

Anyone have any thoughts?

She'd have my vote.

Only other freshman that could be in the running would be Lynchburg's Kristina Darby.  She leads the Hornets in free throw percentage, assists and steals.  She has also started 18 games to Ariail's one.

Ariail's 30 points was quite impressive last night, but I do have to say she had a lot of open layups.  Good offensive plays?  Bad defense?  Nice low post moves?  Who knows ... probably a little bit of all three.  Regardless, she's still a really nice player.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 08, 2007, 10:39:04 AM
I've seen every team in the ODAC play at least once this year, and many of them I've seen twice....so....with what I have seen I would definitely say Molly Ariail is the front runner for the FOY award. She was unstoppable last night!

So......any ideas for front runners for POY? or COY?

Erin Hanson has some impressive stats as she leads the league in scoring and is third in rebounds, but she plays for a team that is barely above .500.

If you look at the 1st place team, RMC, they have some very impressive players, but who would you choose?

For VWC, they are such a well balanced team, that I don't see any potentials from there.

For BC, Katy Herr Lovell is the one who sticks out as she is the only player in the ODAC that ranks in the top 15 in scoring(9), rebounding(13), steals(1), and assists(1), and she is also #3 in free throw percentage, 3 pnt. field goal percentage, and #1 in assist-turnover ratio.

Caroline Wesley is having a big year at Lynchburg averaging a double-double, but Lynchburg only has five wins on the year.

So...any thoughts?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 08, 2007, 10:41:40 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 10:31:35 AM
As much as the Jackets had the game in hand from the tipoff until two minutes left in the game, that was Bridgewater's game to lose there at the end ... and the ref made that happen.

Bridgewater got a really questionable foul call in its favor near the buzzer of the UMW game at Bridgewater. Herr Lovell made both shots to tie it and send it to OT where UMW prevailed

Nice "broadcast" last night.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 11:02:43 AM
I'm sticking with my mid-season all-ODAC first team...

Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 22, 2007, 01:42:18 PM
All-ODAC first team
Erin Hanson, Roanoke
Jessica Hunsinger, Washington & Lee
Nicole Thurston, Virginia Wesleyan
Caroline Wesley, Lynchburg
Katy Herr Lovell, Bridgewater

I think Carolyn Riley (EMU) has a good shot, too.  From R-MC, I think Lindsay Riesbeck, Molly Ariail, and Salem Shaffer are all equally deserving.

As far as individual awards, I think it's pretty easy simple this year...

Player-of-the-Year: Katy Herr Lovell (Bridgewater) - best all-around player in the league.  Not only do her numbers show it, but she is a vocal leader and very smart player on one of the better teams in the conference.

Coach-of-the-Year: Carroll LaHaye (Randolph-Macon) - what she has done this year w/out Silva is amazing.  Shows how good of a coach she is and how well her players play as a team.

Freshman-of-the-Year: Molly Ariail (Randolph-Macon) - her numbers are pretty sick for someone who has started only one game.  She's good on both ends of the court, with a quick first step.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 11:10:05 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 08, 2007, 10:41:40 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 10:31:35 AM
As much as the Jackets had the game in hand from the tipoff until two minutes left in the game, that was Bridgewater's game to lose there at the end ... and the ref made that happen.

Bridgewater got a really questionable foul call in its favor near the buzzer of the UMW game at Bridgewater. Herr Lovell made both shots to tie it and send it to OT where UMW prevailed

Oh trust me ... I know questionable calls happen in every game.  And I know there were questionable calls made against RMC during the game as well.

I will also admit that it's usually understood not to call a foul in the final seconds of a game unless it's really a foul.  Honestly, I felt Herr Lovell got hacked on her way to the rim against UMW.  Even if she wasn't, that's certainly not the same as calling an offensive foul on someone setting a pick when they had clearly been set.  I think the fact that the RMC player dropped to the ground made the ref think he had to make a call (which he didn't).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 11:22:51 AM
Bridgewater.edu just reported Herr Lovell was named to the ESPN The Magazine All-District 3 Academic Team College Division first team (http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=856), along with Lynchburg's Caroline Wesley.

They are both eligible for consideration for the Division III Academic All-American team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on February 08, 2007, 11:29:00 AM
Matt-
i wondered what happened when the offensive foul on BC showed up on your "broadcast" as a player control foul seemed odd at that time of the game as it seemed a mental error to attack the basket at that time.  i see now that that is not what happened, but a moving pick is also a very unusual call at that time of the game - i'd expect no call unless it was very clear and your post suggests it was not only not very clear but also wrong.  very tough way to lose.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 08, 2007, 11:29:00 AM
Matt-
i wondered what happened when the offensive foul on BC showed up on your "broadcast" as a player control foul seemed odd at that time of the game as it seemed a mental error to attack the basket at that time.  i see now that that is not what happened, but a moving pick is also a very unusual call at that time of the game - i'd expect no call unless it was very clear and your post suggests it was not only not very clear but also wrong.  very tough way to lose.

Yeah.  Even the RMC bench was like "uhhh, really?"

I hope people don't think i'm making excuses for how well both teams played the entire game.  The Jackets sure did take it to us and held a lead most of the game.  But to see the Eagles fight back and take a 68-67 lead with under a minute to go, then to get the ball back with that lead, and THEN get that call made on them ... it just stinks.  Both for RMC and BC.  Who knows how the game would have ended had that call not been made.  RMC certainly could have still won, and perhaps it would have tasted a little sweeter.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 08, 2007, 02:55:08 PM
I agree with how awful of a call that was. That was such a fun game to watch, and both teams played great, it is just unfortunate that the outcome was somewhat dictated by a poor call by the official.

Oh well, that's sports for you.

I also agree with the POY, COY, and FOY.

I think Herr Lovell is a no brainer, at least to me. She leads the conference in three stats, and is in the top 15 in 9 of the statistical categories listed on the ODAC website. Also, she plays for one of the top teams in the ODAC where she has set several records.

COY is also a no brainer as Coach LaHaye has her team with a firm hold in first place....and this is all without either Silva or Orton!

FOY is where I just am not sure? I think Arial from RMC is a good choice, but I also like Katie Rechnitzer (RMWC) and Kristina Darby (Lynchburg).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 08, 2007, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 11:02:43 AM
I'm sticking with my mid-season all-ODAC first team...

Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 22, 2007, 01:42:18 PM
All-ODAC first team
Erin Hanson, Roanoke
Jessica Hunsinger, Washington & Lee
Nicole Thurston, Virginia Wesleyan
Caroline Wesley, Lynchburg
Katy Herr Lovell, Bridgewater

I think Carolyn Riley (EMU) has a good shot, too.  From R-MC, I think Lindsay Riesbeck, Molly Ariail, and Salem Shaffer are all equally deserving.

As far as individual awards, I think it's pretty easy simple this year...

Player-of-the-Year: Katy Herr Lovell (Bridgewater) - best all-around player in the league.  Not only do her numbers show it, but she is a vocal leader and very smart player on one of the better teams in the conference.

Coach-of-the-Year: Carroll LaHaye (Randolph-Macon) - what she has done this year w/out Silva is amazing.  Shows how good of a coach she is and how well her players play as a team.

Freshman-of-the-Year: Molly Ariail (Randolph-Macon) - her numbers are pretty sick for someone who has started only one game.  She's good on both ends of the court, with a quick first step.

I agree on all of those predictions....and I actually think Carolyn Riley has a better shot at the 1st team then does Nicole Thurston, simply because her numbers are better and because of how well EMU has done this year. VWC is just too well balanced. Two years ago BC finished 2nd in the conference and 2nd in the tournament and placed no one on either the 1st or 2nd team. I could potentially see VWC being the same way this year.

I agree with POY, COY, and FOY. I think the first two are definites...and I think FOY will go to Arial simply because of what she means to her team and because of how well they have done.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 08, 2007, 03:17:44 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 11:22:51 AM
Bridgewater.edu just reported Herr Lovell was named to the ESPN The Magazine All-District 3 Academic Team College Division first team (http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=856), along with Lynchburg's Caroline Wesley.

They are both eligible for consideration for the Division III Academic All-American team.


Congrats to both of them!

Herr Lovell was also recently accepted into graduate school to get her doctorate of physical therapy....so well done!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
With under 10 days until the regular season ends, I'll take a crack at picking the rest of the games and final standings.

Current ODAC Standings...

1 - Randolph-Macon (14-2)
2 - Virginia Wesleyan (15-3)
3 - Eastern Mennonite (13-3)
4 - Bridgewater (13-4)
5 - Roanoke (9-7)
6 - Washington & Lee (8-8)
7 - Guilford (7-10)
8 - Lynchburg (5-11)
9 - Emory & Henry (3-14)
10 - R-M Woman's (2-14)
11 - Hollins (1-14)

Remaining Games...

Thursday, February 8
Emory & Henry at Hollins

Saturday, February 10
Lynchburg at Hollins
Bridgewater at Virginia Wesleyan
Guilford at Roanoke
Washington & Lee at Eastern Mennonite
Randolph-Macon at R-M Woman's Coll.

Tuesday, February 13
Bridgewater at Roanoke
Washington & Lee at Hollins
Eastern Mennonite at Randolph-Macon
Guilford at Emory & Henry

Wednesday, February 14
Lynchburg at R-M Woman's Coll.

Friday, February 16
Lynchburg at Randolph-Macon
Hollins at Bridgewater
Roanoke at Eastern Mennonite
Emory & Henry at Washington & Lee
R-M Woman's Coll. at Guilford

Saturday, February 17
Lynchburg at Washington & Lee
Virginia Wesleyan at Eastern Mennonite
Hollins at Randolph-Macon
R-M Woman's Coll. at Roanoke

ODAC Tournament Pairings...

1 - Randolph-Macon (18-2) vs. 8 - Lynchburg (7-13)
2 - Bridgewater (16-4) vs. 7 - Guilford (9-11)
3 - Virginia Wesleyan (16-4) - 6 - Washington & Lee (11-9)
4 - Eastern Mennonite (15-5) vs. 5 - Roanoke (11-9)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 08, 2007, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 08, 2007, 09:04:15 AM
Got to catch the BC/R-MC game last night... definitely a good one.

So, what did you think about the foul called on Herr Lovell when setting the pick?  Clearly a game changer.  Had that call not been made, RMC would have had to foul the No. 1 free throw shooting team to the line already up one with under a half a minute to go.

As much as the Jackets had the game in hand from the tipoff until two minutes left in the game, that was Bridgewater's game to lose there at the end ... and the ref made that happen.

Although I know that was a VERY inopportune call for BC at that point in time, I have to go with what I was told throughout my entire basketball career. I know it's cliche... but I honestly believe the refs cannot "lose" a game for you.

Yes, overall they have "control" of the game, but the players have the ultimate control over what they do on the court.

There are 40 minutes for each team to do what they need to do to win the game. The "key play" to winning the game could be anywhere from the first 5 minutes of the game to 10.3 seconds to go in the game.

In an ideal world, ODAC refs would make every correct call, see every travel, every slap of the wrist... but they can't.

And I'll say that whether R-MC is on the winning or losing end of a call like last night... it just happens that R-MC was on the winning side of that call.

ODAC refs will always be bad... a proven track record over the past 7 years I've known the ODAC. I only have three or four "favorite" refs... and even THEY make bad calls every now and then.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 08, 2007, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 08, 2007, 09:04:15 AM
Got to catch the BC/R-MC game last night... definitely a good one.

So, what did you think about the foul called on Herr Lovell when setting the pick?  Clearly a game changer.  Had that call not been made, RMC would have had to foul the No. 1 free throw shooting team to the line already up one with under a half a minute to go.

As much as the Jackets had the game in hand from the tipoff until two minutes left in the game, that was Bridgewater's game to lose there at the end ... and the ref made that happen.

Although I know that was a VERY inopportune call for BC at that point in time, I have to go with what I was told throughout my entire basketball career. I know it's cliche... but I honestly believe the refs cannot "lose" a game for you.

Yes, overall they have "control" of the game, but the players have the ultimate control over what they do on the court.

There are 40 minutes for each team to do what they need to do to win the game. The "key play" to winning the game could be anywhere from the first 5 minutes of the game to 10.3 seconds to go in the game.

In an ideal world, ODAC refs would make every correct call, see every travel, every slap of the wrist... but they can't.

And I'll say that whether R-MC is on the winning or losing end of a call like last night... it just happens that R-MC was on the winning side of that call.

ODAC refs will always be bad... a proven track record over the past 7 years I've known the ODAC. I only have three or four "favorite" refs... and even THEY make bad calls every now and then.

Is it safe to assume that's your round about way of saying, "Yes, Matt ... I agree it was a bad call." :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 08, 2007, 08:21:13 PM
It may have been a bad call, but it certainly didnt lose the game for them... I think that saying the refs lost the game for them is taking away credit that RMC most certainly deserves for a great game.  They had 39 minutes before that to make sure they werent put in that position, but they ultimately were and they lost. I think its interesting how at the beginning of the ODAC season, people posted about how RMC wasnt going to be anything special without Silva this year yet they find themselves at the top spot once again...If Coach LaHaye doesnt get COY, I for one will be VERY surprised.  :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2007, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: baller116 on February 08, 2007, 08:21:13 PM
They had 39 minutes before that to make sure they werent put in that position, but they ultimately were and they lost.

Indeed. If you are in a position where an official's call can change the outcome in the closing seconds, that's your fault, not the official's.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 08, 2007, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 08, 2007, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 08, 2007, 09:04:15 AM
Got to catch the BC/R-MC game last night... definitely a good one.

So, what did you think about the foul called on Herr Lovell when setting the pick?  Clearly a game changer.  Had that call not been made, RMC would have had to foul the No. 1 free throw shooting team to the line already up one with under a half a minute to go.

As much as the Jackets had the game in hand from the tipoff until two minutes left in the game, that was Bridgewater's game to lose there at the end ... and the ref made that happen.

Although I know that was a VERY inopportune call for BC at that point in time, I have to go with what I was told throughout my entire basketball career. I know it's cliche... but I honestly believe the refs cannot "lose" a game for you.

Yes, overall they have "control" of the game, but the players have the ultimate control over what they do on the court.

There are 40 minutes for each team to do what they need to do to win the game. The "key play" to winning the game could be anywhere from the first 5 minutes of the game to 10.3 seconds to go in the game.

In an ideal world, ODAC refs would make every correct call, see every travel, every slap of the wrist... but they can't.

And I'll say that whether R-MC is on the winning or losing end of a call like last night... it just happens that R-MC was on the winning side of that call.

ODAC refs will always be bad... a proven track record over the past 7 years I've known the ODAC. I only have three or four "favorite" refs... and even THEY make bad calls every now and then.

Is it safe to assume that's your round about way of saying, "Yes, Matt ... I agree it was a bad call." :)

Ok Matt... YES it was a bad call... just like most of the calls by ODAC refs  :P

But BC had over 10 seconds to get the ball down the court and in the hoop for the win.

I stand by my theory that it's anyone's game, no matter who the refs are, and how much time is on the clock  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 09, 2007, 07:10:12 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 08, 2007, 11:02:43 AM
I'm sticking with my mid-season all-ODAC first team...

Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 22, 2007, 01:42:18 PM
All-ODAC first team
Erin Hanson, Roanoke
Jessica Hunsinger, Washington & Lee
Nicole Thurston, Virginia Wesleyan
Caroline Wesley, Lynchburg
Katy Herr Lovell, Bridgewater

I think Carolyn Riley (EMU) has a good shot, too.  From R-MC, I think Lindsay Riesbeck, Molly Ariail, and Salem Shaffer are all equally deserving.

Why Shaffer? She is 3rd in blocks, and 3rd in defensive rebounds....otherwise she is 5th or 6th for RMC....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 10, 2007, 05:38:49 PM
Carroll LaHaye gets 400 today with RMC win over RMWC.  Congratulations Coach!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 10, 2007, 06:33:26 PM
Impressive win for EMU...I guess their game down in Lexington just was not representative of the kind of team that the Royals are. I especially enjoyed how scrappy this team is. Held Jessica Hunsinger to just 4 rebounds and only one general in double figures. The Royals shot 72 percent in the first half and really lit it up (it wasn't all together terrible defense for W&L, the Royals just made some real difficult shots!). They were only 2 percentage points for a new school record shooting percentage in this game.

Bad news for the Generals who had two players go out due to injuries. Kara Nadeau said after the game that when she fell on her knee, it felt just like when she tore her ACL in high school. She should get it checked out on Monday. Bethany Ridenhour also had a concussion in this game as she fell hard on one play in the first half. She didn't play in the second half. So with Ridenhour and Nadeau getting injured along with Casidhe Horan tearing her ACL last week against the WildCats, this is a banged up squad. Hope to get a win on Tuesday versus Hollins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on February 10, 2007, 06:46:52 PM
EMU soundly defeated Washington and Lee tonight.  EMU has really developed their talent over the past two years.  They play tough, defensive-minded, team oriented ball.  Very fun to watch.   W & L seems to have very good players - I'm not sure what the problem is.  I guess what goes around, comes around.  Next up for EMU is a couple of very tough games - RMC and VWC - stern opponents indeed.  It's going to be very interesting to see which of the 4 teams wins the ODAC and ODAC tournament.  Side note - Roanoke beats Guilford.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on February 10, 2007, 06:55:11 PM
General Fan W.W. - No offense, but the Generals were losing before the injuries and one of the players you mentioned doesn't get alot of minutes.  I am sorry, though - no one likes to see a player go down.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 10, 2007, 07:20:35 PM
Take nothing away from EMU; they were really on fire tonight. I thought that the Royals really are a great "Team." Riley seems selfless with the basketball and Kratz crashes the boards well. No, I didn't mean to sound like I was blaming the loss on injuries.

Do you think that was the Royals best game all season?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 10, 2007, 07:35:34 PM
Wow, big win for V-dubb over the Eagles today 65-50.  Sounds like the seniors wanted it bad.  Thurston with almost a double double again.   Wasn't there, but it looks like the Marlins got the job done inside the paint.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 10, 2007, 08:11:31 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 10, 2007, 07:35:34 PM
Wow, big win for V-dubb over the Eagles today 65-50.  Sounds like the seniors wanted it bad.  Thurston with almost a double double again.   Wasn't there, but it looks like the Marlins got the job done inside the paint.

Good win. Any truth that Katie Herr didn't play due to illness? It was mentioned on the BC men's radio broadcast. Regerdless, a "w" is a "w". Just curious?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 10, 2007, 09:55:15 PM
Herr-Lovell played almost the whole game and tallied some good stats.  37 min, 10pts, 3 assists, 3 steals, and about 5 boards.  Not too bad on her effort at all.  And their shot percentage as a team wasn't too bad.  Don't know what happened to them - I thought it was going to be a lot closer game.  The Marlins led at the half and then for the rest of the game.

Here's the box score:
http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/season/06_07/games/bc2.htm
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 10, 2007, 10:21:45 PM
I think EMU's coach should get some consideration for COY.  No one expected EMU to be in the top 4 of the conference this year. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 10, 2007, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 10, 2007, 09:55:15 PM
Herr-Lovell played almost the whole game and tallied some good stats.  37 min, 10pts, 3 assists, 3 steals, and about 5 boards.  Not too bad on her effort at all.  And their shot percentage as a team wasn't too bad.  Don't know what happened to them - I thought it was going to be a lot closer game.  The Marlins led at the half and then for the rest of the game.

Here's the box score:
http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/season/06_07/games/bc2.htm

Thanks for the clarification! I thought Katie would have to be near dead not to play in a big game like that. Great win for the Marlins. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 10, 2007, 11:37:19 PM
BC had all thier players in the game. Katiie Herr played well. It was fun to see her and Chelsey Barret go at each other. Both are really fast. The Seniors from VWC just wanted it more. Their whole team knew what the game meant. It was a statement for them. 5-20 as Freshman to beating BC on thier last home game of they year. One game laft for the Marlins against EM. They will need to advenge thier loss from earlier this year. Great Job Marlins.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 11, 2007, 08:53:34 AM
I thought VWC just flat out played BC yesterday. Call it senior day or what ever VWC was the better team from start to finish. BC looked confused at times having at least 3 shot clock violations, and there was a lot of bickering between the players and between the players and coaches. After all the talk on the board I was not impressed. KHL had a nice game but she can not carry a team the way other players in the ODAC can. Great game for the Marlins and their four seniors. Congratulations, 1 BIG game left @ EMU next saturday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2007, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 11, 2007, 08:53:34 AM
1 BIG game left @ EMU next saturday.

......for second place  ;D

  " If you ain't first, you're last"      - Ricky Bobby
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 11, 2007, 09:53:02 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 10, 2007, 05:38:49 PM
Carroll LaHaye gets 400 today with RMC win over RMWC.  Congratulations Coach!!!

Yes... a HUGE congrats to Coach LaHaye... she has done a tremendous job over the years at R-MC --- many more wins to come!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2007, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 11, 2007, 08:53:34 AM
KHL had a nice game but she can not carry a team the way other players in the ODAC can.

You have every right to be excited about your team's 15-point win over the Eagles, but to take a shot at Katy?  Pretty bold considering this...

Katy is 6-2 against the Marlins in her career.  In those eight games, she averaged 10.1 points, 8.0 rebounds, 4.0 steals, and 3.0 assists.  Find me an ODAC player who has produced better against your Marlins for their career.  Take all the time you need.

Oh, and just an FYI, in those two losses to VWC, Katy totaled two turnovers in 75 minutes of play.

With Katy at point guard for the Eagles, we are 5-3 in the ODAC tournament (two runner-up finishes).  The Marlins since Katy came into the league?  0-2.  And like I mentioned months ago, you all haven't won a tournament contest since 1994.

Again, please enjoy and boast about your team's victory.  But you immediately use your credibility when your bash another player - especially when it has no factual backing.  There's a reason Katy was freshman of the year in 2004, first-team all-conference in 2006, and likely the conference's player of the year this season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill07 on February 11, 2007, 03:09:25 PM
Geeze Matt B.,
Calm down, get a grip, realize there are more important things in life.  But, the bottom line is that you totally over-reacted to someone's, an individual's, observation of the game.  We all know  Katy H-L is a good player, that speaks for itself.

So, for you to form a counter-attack of sorts, not only one one player, but an entire team and program, kind of makes you lose your credibility as well, since you are obviously too close to the BC program.

And name a player who has had better stats against VWC than Katy....did you forget a woman named Megan Silva?????  Megan did carry her team the way the poster implied, the poster who got you all fired up.

I don't think VWC is boasting anything. I think they might be excited, don't you?  BC beat them by 16 early in the season and they just turned the tables on the Eagles in the rematch. 

And GAVA, did Ricky Bobby say this?

"You ain't won nothing yet."

We'll see who's left standing in a couple weeks, EMU, Bridgewater, VWC, or oh yeah, R-MC

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 03:33:14 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2007, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 11, 2007, 08:53:34 AM
KHL had a nice game but she can not carry a team the way other players in the ODAC can.

You have every right to be excited about your team's 15-point win over the Eagles, but to take a shot at Katy? 

I think there's a big line between VWCbeachbum's post and "taking a shot" at Herr Lovell.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 11, 2007, 04:47:08 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2007, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 11, 2007, 08:53:34 AM
KHL had a nice game but she can not carry a team the way other players in the ODAC can.

You have every right to be excited about your team's 15-point win over the Eagles, but to take a shot at Katy?  Pretty bold considering this...

Katy is 6-2 against the Marlins in her career.  In those eight games, she averaged 10.1 points, 8.0 rebounds, 4.0 steals, and 3.0 assists.  Find me an ODAC player who has produced better against your Marlins for their career.  Take all the time you need.

Oh, and just an FYI, in those two losses to VWC, Katy totaled two turnovers in 75 minutes of play.

With Katy at point guard for the Eagles, we are 5-3 in the ODAC tournament (two runner-up finishes).  The Marlins since Katy came into the league?  0-2.  And like I mentioned months ago, you all haven't won a tournament contest since 1994.

Again, please enjoy and boast about your team's victory.  But you immediately use your credibility when your bash another player - especially when it has no factual backing.  There's a reason Katy was freshman of the year in 2004, first-team all-conference in 2006, and likely the conference's player of the year this season.

Quote from: jmill07 on February 11, 2007, 03:09:25 PM
And name a player who has had better stats against VWC than Katy....did you forget a woman named Megan Silva?????  Megan did carry her team the way the poster implied, the poster who got you all fired up.

Good call, jmill07 -- I was thinking the exact same thing... although I'm pretty sure Kid meant current ODAC players...

Nevertheless...

Megan Silva vs. VWC:
18.1 points per game, 4.5 rebounds per game, 5.1 steals per game, 7 assists per game, and a 7-1 record vs. VWC (the only loss was at the Batten Center in OT)

So I guess KHL only beats Silva in the rebounds column... everything else, Megan's superior.

R-MC with Silva --
3 ODAC Championships (11-1 in ODAC Tourney games)
3 NCAA Appearances -- 2nd Round, Championship Game, Elite 8 (8-3 in NCAA games)

... and then there's FOY, POY (3 times), 1st Team All-ODAC (4 times)

I could go on and on... but I won't!  :) Everyone knows how good Silv was   ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 11, 2007, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: jmill07 on February 11, 2007, 03:09:25 PM
 

And GAVA, did Ricky Bobby say this?

"You ain't won nothing yet."

We'll see who's left standing in a couple weeks, EMU, Bridgewater, VWC, or oh yeah, R-MC



In regards to the regular season ( which is what we were talking about),
BC is already out, and we will see who is left standing in 6 days. My money is on RMC. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on February 11, 2007, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 03:33:14 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2007, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 11, 2007, 08:53:34 AM
KHL had a nice game but she can not carry a team the way other players in the ODAC can.

You have every right to be excited about your team's 15-point win over the Eagles, but to take a shot at Katy? 

I think there's a big line between VWCbeachbum's post and "taking a shot" at Herr Lovell.
I totally disagree.  I do believe it was a veiled shot, and an incorrect shot.  No one who has seen Katy Herr Lovell play on a regular basis can believe that she does not "carry a team the way other players in the ODAC can."  Katy is an unselfish, team player who comes up big when she needs to.  I'm not saying she can do it all by herself, but she carries a team the way it should be carried.  Who "carries" VWC's team?  Who carries the other teams?  Who carries a team better than Katy?  I doubt they can compete with the probable ODAC player of the year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill07 on February 11, 2007, 07:03:45 PM
What is with the "probable ODAC player of the year" stuff?  It's nice that the Bridgewater faithful would like to see own of their own receive it, but you are tyring to make it sound like it's a done deal. Nothing good comes from that.

Waterlucy, do you realize how biased your post reads?  It's almost if there's no other player in the conference that can do what Katy can do.  Again, I think she's a good player, but there are other players out there who do a ton of things for their own teams as well, Hanson at Roanoke, Reisback at R-MC, Hunsinger at W&L, and so on. 

I think there's still some "Silva" envy going on.  Silva WAS that far separated from other players in the league.  If that happens again soon, we'll all be surprised.  But for now, its RMC, EMU, VWC and Bridgewater all right there together.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 11, 2007, 09:48:36 PM
Geeze kid you are acting like the BC players did on the court Saturday. Something doesn't go your way and you don't know how to act. That in no way was a "shot" at Katie. My point was, as some other posters have pointed out , that there are several other very good players in the ODAC and some of them do carry their teams. KHL did not (at least on saturday which is the game I watched) seem to have the ability to put her team on her back and carry them. That has nothing to do with her not being a good or even great player, she had a good game against VWC and did some nice things. But in a game where her team need a lift, especially scoring, Herr was unable to deliver (2-12 from the floor). That is a stat that is not a shot.  To me that is what a POY does, carries her team when no one else is. Does that make me think any less of KHL abilities, no not at all. I can't believe I am really about to say this  ;) that is what made Silva so great, there i said it.....She could carry her team by herself when she had to. That is why the rest of conference hated playing her, ( i mean that in a good way) no matter what you tried to do you knew that she could beat you.... Take a few deep cleansing breaths kid, it's not good for your health to get so worked up over one loss.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 11, 2007, 09:56:47 PM
QuoteWho "carries" VWC's team?/quote]

Do you read the posts? Scroll back a few pages that has been a  whole topic of conversation. No one carries VWC, that is why i think they have the best shot at winning this thing when it comes to it. There isn't anyone on the VWC team that you can point out and say stop them and you win. So if you are really saying KHL carries BC then if you stop her (no pun intended) you stop BC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 11, 2007, 10:04:29 PM
See now you have me all worked up.. You want players who carry their team? Laugh all you want but dispute it I dare you....
Sarah and Katie Rechnitzer......
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 11, 2007, 11:20:10 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 11, 2007, 09:48:36 PM
Geeze kid you are acting like the BC players did on the court Saturday. Something doesn't go your way and you don't know how to act. That in no way was a "shot" at Katie. My point was, as some other posters have pointed out , that there are several other very good players in the ODAC and some of them do carry their teams. KHL did not (at least on saturday which is the game I watched) seem to have the ability to put her team on her back and carry them. That has nothing to do with her not being a good or even great player, she had a good game against VWC and did some nice things. But in a game where her team need a lift, especially scoring, Herr was unable to deliver (2-12 from the floor). That is a stat that is not a shot.  To me that is what a POY does, carries her team when no one else is. Does that make me think any less of KHL abilities, no not at all. I can't believe I am really about to say this  ;) that is what made Silva so great, there i said it.....She could carry her team by herself when she had to. That is why the rest of conference hated playing her, ( i mean that in a good way) no matter what you tried to do you knew that she could beat you.... Take a few deep cleansing breaths kid, it's not good for your health to get so worked up over one loss.

I think it might have more to do with 4 consecutive Duke losses than a BC womens one.  :o Sorry Kid. I couldn't resist. Especially after you had a front row viewing of my Heels going down at NC State.  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 12, 2007, 06:51:04 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 11, 2007, 10:04:29 PM
See now you have me all worked up.. You want players who carry their team? Laugh all you want but dispute it I dare you....
Sarah and Katie Rechnitzer......

Talk about two girls who really do carry their teams! They may just carry their team more than any other player in the whole conference!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 12, 2007, 06:57:05 AM
Quote from: Llamaguy on February 11, 2007, 11:20:10 PM
I think it might have more to do with 4 consecutive Duke losses than a BC womens one.  :o Sorry Kid. I couldn't resist.;D

I am pretty sure it is the result of BC losing to RMC , then VWC, and being knocked into 4th place and out of contention for the regular season ;)
Kid was certain BC was going to finish 1st.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on February 12, 2007, 08:55:30 AM
My point was not that Katy is the only one to carry their team - it was that she carries her team.  I also believe other players carry their team at times - but not better than she does hers.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 12, 2007, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: waterlucy on February 12, 2007, 08:55:30 AM
My point was not that Katy is the only one to carry their team - it was that she carries her team.  I also believe other players carry their team at times - but not better than she does hers.

I have NO Idea what you just said.........
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on February 12, 2007, 09:48:22 AM
Whatever - and you wonder why more people don't talk on this board.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2007, 11:26:10 AM
VWC had a good game Saturday....BC did not. With as even as these teams are, it's all about who gets hot in the tournament that will be the last standing. Whether its RMC, VWC, EMU, or BC...or even one of the other ODAC teams...who knows?

Katy Herr Lovell's game is not defined by being a scorer, vwcbeachbum, so to say she didn't carry her team because she did not score the other night is not a credible statement. Katy leads her team by more then stats. She leads by hustle, by attitude, by example.

Katy had the flu on Saturday, she missed practice Friday because she was throwing up and she was still throwing up on game day, but she made the trip and tried to carry this BC team to a win. That shows leadership and it shows someone who does carry a team because even though they're sick, they still feel the need to be out there.

VWC played better and won the game and deserves some congratulations for knocking off a team that beat them by 16 earlier in the season.

However, I am hoping we will see the Marlins again in the post seasn....and then who knows what will happen? It will be exciting to find out!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2007, 11:33:17 AM
Quote from: jmill07 on February 11, 2007, 07:03:45 PM
I think there's still some "Silva" envy going on. 


Do you RMC fans use every excuse you can to talk about Silva? Everyone on this board has agreed that Silva was an AMAZING player...even vwcbeachbum admitted that, but she is no longer playing in the ODAC. No one has "Silva envy" and I am pretty sure not that many people even think about Silva (except you RMC fans) because Silva is in the past! RMC fans, you all have a very good team THIS YEAR to celebrate and be proud of. Talk about that and drop the constant Silva chatter.

I know this post will probaby create some more "silva-envy-conspiracy-theories" and everyone will think fairmont is envious of Silva, but such is not true....I am just sick of always hearing RMC fans bring up Silva.

You know what....I wonder what Jennifer King from Guilford did against VWC? or Laura Ludholtz of EMU? Hmmmm.......

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 12, 2007, 11:50:47 AM
Oh how soon we forget... If everyone will scroll back to page 75 of the ODAC post you will find a post from kid that has Silva's career stats along side KHL stats. If you really want to make that comparison then you have to talk about all aspects. Yes Katie has done and still does many things to help her team go. She MAY be the best all around player in the ODAC right now. She does not have the same take over a game ability that Silva had, and I am not sure she has the same take over ability that even a Hanson. a Reisback, or in the past few weeks an Arial does. She directs her team, she is the one who makes that team go, but I am not sure she has "take over" ability. That is just an opnion, it is not a shot at Katie or at the basketball abilities she posses..... BC fans answer this question... Down 1 in the championship game who do you want taking your last shot? KHL? Childs? Scales?.... If you have to think twice at all then think about the same question with Silva on your team. No question who takes that shot.  Lighten up a little and just have a conversation without being so defensive all the time.... Geeze I will be glad when this conversation is over so I can stop with the Silva Praise ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: elee109 on February 12, 2007, 12:20:22 PM
No question about it......Herr takes the last shot..........
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 12, 2007, 12:53:14 PM
Quote from: elee109 on February 12, 2007, 12:20:22 PM
No question about it......Herr takes the last shot..........


Fair enough. Thanks. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 12, 2007, 12:58:07 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2007, 11:33:17 AM
Quote from: jmill07 on February 11, 2007, 07:03:45 PM
I think there's still some "Silva" envy going on. 


Do you RMC fans use every excuse you can to talk about Silva? Everyone on this board has agreed that Silva was an AMAZING player...even vwcbeachbum admitted that, but she is no longer playing in the ODAC. No one has "Silva envy" and I am pretty sure not that many people even think about Silva (except you RMC fans) because Silva is in the past! RMC fans, you all have a very good team THIS YEAR to celebrate and be proud of. Talk about that and drop the constant Silva chatter.

I know this post will probaby create some more "silva-envy-conspiracy-theories" and everyone will think fairmont is envious of Silva, but such is not true....I am just sick of always hearing RMC fans bring up Silva.

You know what....I wonder what Jennifer King from Guilford did against VWC? or Laura Ludholtz of EMU? Hmmmm.......




The only reason Silva has been brought up consistently is because people have been comparing Herr-Lovell to her, like there is even a comparison?? And FYI, there is nothing wrong with bringing up a player who had such a huge lasting impact on the ODAC, like Megan Silva did. We are very proud of our team this year and we have posted saying so, so dont undermine our excitment for them (who wasn't supposed to be that good anyway with Silva). You are getting sick of hearing about Silva? Then find a player just as talented who can win DIII POY, three times ODAC POY and take her team to the national championship and then I promise we will talk about her just as much :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 12, 2007, 01:15:02 PM
Oh geeze here I go again... Balleer116.. (deep breath and a sigh).... I agree......

I think with Silva there was no question who "the best was" now I think there is a HUGE question as to who the "best" is.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 12, 2007, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2007, 11:33:17 AM
Quote from: jmill07 on February 11, 2007, 07:03:45 PM
I think there's still some "Silva" envy going on. 

Do you RMC fans use every excuse you can to talk about Silva? Everyone on this board has agreed that Silva was an AMAZING player...even vwcbeachbum admitted that, but she is no longer playing in the ODAC. No one has "Silva envy" and I am pretty sure not that many people even think about Silva (except you RMC fans) because Silva is in the past! RMC fans, you all have a very good team THIS YEAR to celebrate and be proud of. Talk about that and drop the constant Silva chatter.

I know this post will probaby create some more "silva-envy-conspiracy-theories" and everyone will think fairmont is envious of Silva, but such is not true....I am just sick of always hearing RMC fans bring up Silva.

You know what....I wonder what Jennifer King from Guilford did against VWC? or Laura Ludholtz of EMU? Hmmmm.......


fairmont 1113 -- The only reason Silva was brought up is because Kid said, "Find me an ODAC player who has produced better against your Marlins for their career" (in comparison to KHL). There was no use of the term, "current player," so that's why jmill07 mentioned Silva.

We are and will always be proud of her (case in point, the #11 is being retired this Friday night in her honor).

I disagree with jmill07 that there is any "Silva envy" on this board... but I also disagree with you when you insinuate that we are not proud of our team THIS YEAR. They are obviously an outstanding team who *in my opinion* will finish the season #1 and sweep the ODAC Tournament (again... that's MY opinion... everyone else is welcome to their own analysis of the end of the season).

Oh and by the way...

Jennifer King vs. VWC -- Record, 5-3
PPG - 15.9
RPG - 5
SPG - 2.1
APG - 3

Laura Ludholtz vs. VWC -- Record, 5-0
PPG - 7.4
RPG - 8.6
SPG - 2
APG - 3.6

Any other players you want the stats for?  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2007, 02:13:08 PM
RMCAlum....when did I say you weren't proud of your current team? I said stop talking about Silva and start focusing on your current team.  Silva has been brought up a lot more this season then just recently when Kid posed his question. All I was saying is Silva was amazing, no question about it, but the key word there is "was".

I agree with you, I think RMC will finish regular season #1, but I think it will be interesting to see if they actually run the table in the ODAC tournament.

Also, RMC was picked #3 preseason and a lot of people were talking highly of their team this year, so, baller116, I am not sure that your comment about RMC not being any good without Silva was that accurate. Maybe you thought that, but not everyone else.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 12, 2007, 02:34:58 PM
Katy Herr Lovell takes the last shot.

Two years ago she stole the ball and was fouled going to the basket in the final seconds against VWC. BC was down by 1, and Lovell sunk both free throws with 1 second left to give BC the win.

Last year Lovell made a lay-up over Megan Silva in overtime with 1 second left to give BC a 83-81 win over the #8 team in the nation.

This year....Lovell shot a three-pointer with 10 seconds left that went in to give BC a one point lead over Roanoke, but was waved off by the refs because it hit the shot clock, then Lovell forced a turnover, but missed a lay-up at the buzzer and Roanoke won.
Lovell was given the ball with seconds left against #17 Mary Washington down by 2 and drove to the basket and was fouled and hit both free throws to send the game into OT. BC lost in OT.


Many times when the game has come down to the wire the ball is in Lovell's hands. Those are just a few examples....so yes....give the ball to Lovell.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2007, 07:44:06 PM
At the half.....

RC- 36
BC- 28

BC started out on fire hitting 6 of their first 9 shots to take a 23-13 lead, then Roanoke went on a 17-0 run to go up 30-23 before Amy Childs finally stopped the run by hitting one of two free throws. The Maroons finished the half outscoring the Eagles 23-5 to take the eight point lead into half.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2007, 08:07:19 PM
with 10:17 left in the ball game....

RC- 54
BC- 42

BC cut the Roanoke lead to just 3, but Roanoke once again went on a run to push the lead back to double digits.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2007, 08:14:53 PM
with 6:16 left in the game......

RC-59
BC- 48

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2007, 08:21:58 PM
with 2:48 left in the game.........

RC- 63
BC- 57
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2007, 08:26:05 PM
with 1:38 left in the game.....

RC- 65
BC- 59

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 13, 2007, 08:27:31 PM
RMC beats EMU by 30. Hiltunen scores career high 24, including 4 for 4 on the treys.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2007, 08:38:54 PM
FINAL....

RC- 74
BC- 65

Erin Hanson lights the Eagles up with 30 points to send BC to their third straight loss.

BC will play Hollins on Friday for senior night...and then will definitely see the Maroons again in the tournament for the first round game. BC still has the potential to make a run in this tournament if they get hot.......
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 13, 2007, 08:52:42 PM
Ariail scores 23 tonight and moves into 4th leading ODAC scorer. Not bad for a freshman nonstarter. ;D

I think RMC has punched their ticket to the big dance. Finishing the regular season 21-4, as the ODAC regular season champion, and given their NCAA tourney record, I think an at large bid is in the bag.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 13, 2007, 09:01:24 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 13, 2007, 08:52:42 PM
Ariail scores 23 tonight and moves into 4th leading ODAC scorer. Not bad for a freshman nonstarter. ;D

I think RMC has punched their ticket to the big dance. Finishing the regular season 21-4, as the ODAC regular season champion, and given their NCAA tourney record, I think an at large bid is in the bag.

Ariail for Freshman of the Year... can I be her campaign manager? I wonder if there's any money in that... haha.

I agree -- R-MC as the ODAC regular season champs *and* tourney champs  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 13, 2007, 09:47:12 PM
It's close to tourny time and I don't want to take any chances with making the bball gods angry so I am just going to let it go but man is it fun to be right sometimes ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 13, 2007, 09:55:19 PM
Since Macon is "in" maybe they should be a team player and just let who ever gets to the finals against them win to make sure the ODAC gets two teams in. Just a thought :) What do you think? ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 13, 2007, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2007, 08:38:54 PM
FINAL....

RC- 74
BC- 65

Erin Hanson lights the Eagles up with 30 points to send BC to their third straight loss.

BC will play Hollins on Friday for senior night...and then will definitely see the Maroons again in the tournament for the first round game. BC still has the potential to make a run in this tournament if they get hot.......

Before the first Macon game I would have agreed, but with BC losing Tori Ruckman for the season that night their chances and chemistry have disappeared. She was starting one of her first games of the season that night. Sometimes the basketball gods are just not with you.  :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 13, 2007, 10:12:08 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2007, 08:38:54 PM
and then will definitely see the Maroons again in the tournament for the first round game.


Are you sure? If BC and EMU end up tied doesn't BC get the 3 seed? I admit I may be wrong here so if you can enlighten me that would be great.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2007, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 13, 2007, 10:12:08 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 13, 2007, 08:38:54 PM
and then will definitely see the Maroons again in the tournament for the first round game.


Are you sure? If BC and EMU end up tied doesn't BC get the 3 seed? I admit I may be wrong here so if you can enlighten me that would be great.

You're right.....if EMU loses their next two games....which are two tough games....VWC and Roanoke....then EMU and BC would be tied and BC would win the tie breaker and be seeded 3rd. Thanks for catching my mistake!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 14, 2007, 07:26:57 AM
Quote from: Llamaguy on February 13, 2007, 09:59:10 PM
Before the first Macon game I would have agreed, but with BC losing Tori Ruckman for the season that night their chances and chemistry have disappeared. She was starting one of her first games of the season that night. Sometimes the basketball gods are just not with you.  :-\

Tell Kid to come back. He was upset about an official's call during the loss to RMC, then after the VWC loss.....poof.  ::) We need his commentary on BC during the tourney. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 14, 2007, 07:32:00 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 13, 2007, 09:55:19 PM
Since Macon is "in" maybe they should be a team player and just let who ever gets to the finals against them win to make sure the ODAC gets two teams in. Just a thought :) What do you think? ;)

Now you know RMC can't do that !  ;) Anyway beachbum you were crowing a few weeks ago that VWC was the team to beat. Now you want someone to let you win? ??? I think Oldschool learned this lesson last year ( she sure has been quite this year). RMC owned ODAC the last 3 years under Silva, and may continue with the sophmores and freshmen they have now.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 14, 2007, 08:07:16 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 14, 2007, 07:32:00 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum link=topic=1077.msg675722#msg675722
/quote]

Now you want someone to let you win? ???


Like I said it's getting too close to tourny time to say anything like that :) I said WHOEVER makes it to the finals haha. VWC has 1 HUGE monkey to get off it's back before it can worry about anything else, it's called the first round. I still do think VWC has a great chance of winning the whole thing, I know RMC is hot but its not like VWC is limping into this thing. They have a big game saturday, which could still drop them to 3rd. The best news for the Marlins is that they can not match up in the first round with roanoke, which for anyone that hasn't noticed is a TOUGH first round match-up especially with the maroons playing at "home".......I think VWC will be doing web-cast. EMU and W&L usually do? I think. Anyone other schools? Does the ODAC do all the games?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 14, 2007, 11:31:03 AM
Yeah, this whole living in Montana thing and still trying to stay abreast of ODAC basketball has been hard - let me tell ya  :-\  And don't forget, I'm an ODAC lover and R-MC was my first school, so I'm not a hater like you may think - but I'm so proud of my Marlins this year.  R-MC has been pretty much a sure thing the past few years, and it's been a real fight to the end this year.  Much props to everyone for making it a lot of fun to watch.  Jacket fans, you totally should be happy, especially if you felt like this year you'd be the underdogs.  But the fact is, Silva didn't make and break you.  Like other schools, kids come and go and the talent is endless that this league will continue to find.  Coach Lahaye always does a good job recruiting and so will everybody else in the future.  So you eeked one out in the regular season ;)  but there are most definitely some fish on your tail  ;D  And I'm sure B'H20 will show up strong tourney time.  They have to be getting some real choice words/encouragement from the Willy-Justice camp.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbingit on February 14, 2007, 12:21:04 PM
Erin Hanson deserves Player of the Year. She has had a great year. My other predictions which are no brainers is Coach LaHaye for COY and Arial FOY.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 14, 2007, 12:38:17 PM
Quote from: bbingit on February 14, 2007, 12:21:04 PM
Erin Hanson deserves Player of the Year. She has had a great year. My other predictions which are no brainers is Coach LaHaye for COY and Arial FOY.



I will second that... But i don't know if you will ind to many others on here that will
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 14, 2007, 01:58:15 PM
I am not sure I would second that........I still would go with Katy Herr Lovell because I just believe she is a better ALL around player....she just does a little bit of everything to me, and in my unbiased opinion is the best player in the ODAC. Just look at all the categories she ranks in.

I think Arial is a no brainer for FOY...WOW! What a player....she will be huge for RMC in years to come....just out of curiosity...what did Silva average her freshmen year???
(I know, people don't want me bringing up the past...but I am just curious where Arial stands with the greats out of RMC)

For COY....if I could vote I would go with Coach Griffin of EMU...I am surprised more people are not talking about him. RMC was picked to finish 3rd, had some extremely talented players returning off of last years championship team (even though no Silva) and actually got a 1st place vote. EMU however was picked to finish 7th and is now 3rd....Coach Griffin is in only his second year and is making this much noise after losing two 1,000 point scorers from last year's squad (Amanda Reynolds and Stephanie Matthews). So...that is my COY.

It has been a great year for ODAC basketball....I have loved living in the Valley and watching the Royals, Eagles, and Generals....and I have enjoyed seeing the Marlins do very well! I think there will be some surprises in this tournament...and I can't wait to see who will be left standing!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 14, 2007, 02:11:26 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 14, 2007, 01:58:15 PM
I think Arial is a no brainer for FOY...WOW! What a player....she will be huge for RMC in years to come....just out of curiosity...what did Silva average her freshmen year???
(I know, people don't want me bringing up the past...but I am just curious where Arial stands with the greats out of RMC)

Silva averaged 16.3 ppg her freshman year... Ariail is averaging 14.2 right now  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 14, 2007, 02:42:12 PM
I am going with Katy Herr Lovell also simply because I do think her overall game is the best in the league....she might not score as much as some of the other players, but basketball is a lot more then scoring and a lot more then the numbers that appear on the stat page, and when you take everything into account then I would say that Herr Lovell is the best choice for POY.

I agree....FOY is Arial. There were several freshmen at one point that I thought also had a chance...but after the performances Arial has put on lately, I think she is the clear choice.

Being from the valley also I have been able to see a good amount of EMU games, and I think Coach Griffin is a great choice. He is a very passionate coach and has gotten his girls playing to the top of their potential. I was at a BC game a couple of weeks ago, and I can't remember who they were playing, but Coach Griffin with his whole team was there watching. That's dedication to me. Coach Griffin has turned this program around from a supposed rebuilding year to a championship contender.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbingit on February 14, 2007, 03:28:48 PM
In case you havent seen Hanson, she is an all-around player just like Lovell. She leads the conference in scoring. She almost average a double double. Her rebounds per game are 9.9. You can look at the stats and I'm sure some SID on here will post them. She is one of the top defenders in the league. AND she led her team to two wins over the Lovell led Eagles of Bridgewater. Lovell is a great player too but just not the best player in the league this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 14, 2007, 04:19:36 PM
Quote from: bbingit on February 14, 2007, 03:28:48 PM
In case you havent seen Hanson, she is an all-around player just like Lovell. She leads the conference in scoring. She almost average a double double. Her rebounds per game are 9.9. You can look at the stats and I'm sure some SID on here will post them. She is one of the top defenders in the league. AND she led her team to two wins over the Lovell led Eagles of Bridgewater. Lovell is a great player too but just not the best player in the league this year.

You are definitely entitled to your opinion. Hanson is a great player. However, here are some stats on her that we don't need  a SID to post....she leads the league in shots taken at 322, one reason she also leads the league in scoring.....she averages 4.0 turnovers a game to 2.1 assists a game...she is 6th in the league in turnovers....the first four in front of her are all from Hollins, and then #5 is freshmen guard from Lynchburg Kristina Darby, who has only 2 more turnovers then Hanson....Hanson is an amazing player.....but of the four Roanoke games I have made it to it seems like the Maroons handle fine without her on the court....however....when Lovell goes out of the game it seems like BC has no one on the team that can fill her shoes.....my POY is still Lovell....and this is coming from someone from the beach who wants to see a Marlin Championship!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 14, 2007, 04:21:18 PM
on a side note...I definitely think Thurston from VWC should receive all-conference honors (I know that was discussed a while ago...but I thought I would throw in my two sense)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 14, 2007, 06:27:27 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 14, 2007, 04:21:18 PM
on a side note...I definitely think Thurston from VWC should receive all-conference honors (I know that was discussed a while ago...but I thought I would throw in my two sense)


PLEASE don't throw in your last two senses if you have already lost your other 3 !!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 15, 2007, 10:14:48 AM
I know this kind of discussion is pertinent to the upcoming banquet yet I'm still interested in the regular season! Who's gonna win the EMU-Va Wes game on Saturday? Do people have any thoughts?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 15, 2007, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 14, 2007, 01:58:15 PM

For COY....if I could vote I would go with Coach Griffin of EMU...I am surprised more people are not talking about him. RMC was picked to finish 3rd, had some extremely talented players returning off of last years championship team (even though no Silva) and actually got a 1st place vote. EMU however was picked to finish 7th and is now 3rd....Coach Griffin is in only his second year and is making this much noise after losing two 1,000 point scorers from last year's squad (Amanda Reynolds and Stephanie Matthews). So...that is my COY.



I would still go for Coach LaHaye...She reached the 400th win marker this year which is huge for any coach in DIII and after she lost 7 players last year and an assistant coach, she turned a rebuilding year into a regular season champion team with mainly underclassmen. She has done a heck of a job and is most deserving of COY.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 15, 2007, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 14, 2007, 06:27:27 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 14, 2007, 04:21:18 PM
on a side note...I definitely think Thurston from VWC should receive all-conference honors (I know that was discussed a while ago...but I thought I would throw in my two sense)


PLEASE don't throw in your last two senses if you have already lost your other 3 !!!! ;D ;D


I don't think you can discount Nicole Thurston from all-conference honors.  She's a strong second team if you ask me.  Her stats may not be first-team caliber, but she is a big reason for VWC's success, and with a second or third place finish in the league, she deserves it.  And no question to me, Katie H-L for POY (she just so all-around) and Lahaye for COY.  What a turnaround for her squad.

As for the EMU/VWC matchup - I think if VWC can keep Riley contained and below her average and maintain a good shot selection from the outside themselves, I think the Marlins have the edge.  EMU will have a tough one with Roanoke the night before as well.  The beat Noke by just 2 very early in the season, and both teams are playing well.  This tournament is going to be insane - everybody must bring everything they've got.  And hopefully this will be the year the Marlins make it to a second game  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbingit on February 15, 2007, 03:02:54 PM
Just so you know most every player that leads a league in scoring is going to take the most shots. Check the stats SIDs: Silva? Williams? Tara Carlton? Whoever was POY before that? You know why they take the most shots? Because they are the best player.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 15, 2007, 04:36:44 PM
Quote from: bbingit on February 15, 2007, 03:02:54 PM
Just so you know most every player that leads a league in scoring is going to take the most shots. Check the stats SIDs: Silva? Williams? Tara Carlton? Whoever was POY before that? You know why they take the most shots? Because they are the best player.  ;)



That is bizarre reasoning. Most shots taken = best player? Not too sure about that. I love when you have two Marlin fans saying Katy Herr Lovell is POY. That just sells it for me.

Arial I think is everyone's favorite for FOY.

It seems like people don't know COY? LaHaye of Griffin? I am not sure myself?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 15, 2007, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 15, 2007, 04:36:44 PM


Arial I think is everyone's favorite for FOY.

It seems like people don't know COY? LaHaye of Griffin? I am not sure myself?

Neither coach was suppose to have a champion team. One's team just beat the other by 30 points. That answers it for me.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 16, 2007, 01:39:19 PM
Tonight Bridgewater will play their final home game of the season.

Before the game they will honor their four seniors who will play in Ninger for the last time of their careers.

Here's what they have accomplished over their four years......

Record

overall: 88-27
conference: 63-16
home: 38-7
odac tourn. 5-3
ncaa 2-1

one regular season first place finish, two tournament championship appearances, one ncaa appearance including an appearance in the Sweet 16.

Both Katy Herr Lovell and Shannon Scales are 1,000 point scorers and rank in the top ten all time at BC in scoring.

Katy Herr Lovell is the only player in Bridgewater history to rank in the top 10 in points, rebounds, assists, and steals.

She is the all-time steal leader at Bridgewater and will make her 116th consecutive start as an Eagle, another BC record.

Shannon Scales is the all-time leader at BC for most three-point field goals made.

Combined, these four seniors have accounted for 3,747 points over the past four seasons.

So, a great big thanks to Katy Herr Lovell, Shannon Scales, Amy Childs, and Jessica Young for all they've accomplished over their four years at Bridgewater!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 16, 2007, 04:02:55 PM
So.....fairmont and all other die hard BC fans......if KHL is the only player in the history of Bridgewater basketball to rank in the top 10 in all of those categories...scoring (6th), rebounds (7th), assists (4th), and steals (1st) and is the iron woman for career starts with #116 tonight....then could it be argued that like Silva at RMC.....KHL is the best player to have gone through BC?




EMU vs. VWC

I think the Marlins will definitely get the win. EMU will have just played a tough Roanoke team, which will wear them out more so then a three hour bus ride from the beach will do to VWC. I think the Marlins will come out ready for blood and ready to avenge the loss that EMU put on them earlier this season. I will be at that game and can't wait!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 16, 2007, 09:29:22 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 16, 2007, 04:02:55 PM
So.....fairmont and all other die hard BC fans......if KHL is the only player in the history of Bridgewater basketball to rank in the top 10 in all of those categories...scoring (6th), rebounds (7th), assists (4th), and steals (1st) and is the iron woman for career starts with #116 tonight....then could it be argued that like Silva at RMC.....KHL is the best player to have gone through BC?



Silva was the best player to go through ODAC. not just RMC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 16, 2007, 10:54:10 PM
EMU could have wrapped up a 3rd place finish tonight if they had beaten Roanoke, now if they lose to VWC tomorrow, looks like BC slips back into 3rd on a tiebreaker.

Roanoke is playing tough down the stretch.  I think they'll be the favorite in the 4/5 game in the tourney even more so than usual as they always seem to perform above themselves during tourney time anyway playing in their own backyard.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 16, 2007, 11:39:29 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 16, 2007, 09:29:22 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 16, 2007, 04:02:55 PM
So.....fairmont and all other die hard BC fans......if KHL is the only player in the history of Bridgewater basketball to rank in the top 10 in all of those categories...scoring (6th), rebounds (7th), assists (4th), and steals (1st) and is the iron woman for career starts with #116 tonight....then could it be argued that like Silva at RMC.....KHL is the best player to have gone through BC?



Silva was the best player to go through ODAC. not just RMC.


I think this is why people get mad at you RMC fans always talking about Silva. Not because you bring her up....but because you insist on talking about her superiority. Yes, she was amazing...and everyone..I mean everyone...will agree about that.

However, GAVA, I asked a question for BC fans about where they think KHL stands in terms of the BC greats. I have only been in the valley for a year and so do not know much about BC history, and so I was curious.

No, I am not worked up at all. I could care less about how much people want to talk about Silva. I think she was an amazing player and should be talked about for a long time to come. All I am doing is pointing out why people on this board get mad about all the Silva talk. She gets talked about for no reason.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 17, 2007, 07:04:49 AM
Maybe Pat Colman can verify this but i think that there is a rule that once your uniform is retired your name is also retired from use on the chat board ;).
Congratulations Megan.
Good luck today Marlins even tho 2nd was hand delivered to you last night.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 17, 2007, 07:57:18 AM
Former Randolph-Macon guard Megan Silva finished with more points (2,371), assists (700) and steals (446) than any male or female basketball player in ODAC history


I wasn't the one who brought up Silva. You did, once again trying to compare Herr and Silva. My response will always be that while Herr ( or anyone else ) may be the best alltime player at their own school, Megan was the best alltime player in ODAC, female or male.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 17, 2007, 08:06:29 AM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 16, 2007, 11:39:29 PM



I think this is why people get mad at you RMC fans always talking about Silva. Not because you bring her up....but because you

No, I am not worked up at all. I could care less about how much people want to talk about Silva. I think she was an amazing player and should be talked about for a long time to come.  She gets talked about for no reason.


I think one does protest too much. What exactly are you trying to say ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 17, 2007, 08:17:14 AM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 17, 2007, 07:04:49 AM
Maybe Pat Colman can verify this but i think that there is a rule that once your uniform is retired your name is also retired from use on the chat board ;).
Congratulations Megan.


I think you may be right as long as the other rule is also followed. The second rule that no one is dense enough to try to compare a current player to someone whose uniform is retired. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 17, 2007, 11:12:22 AM
GAVA....I was not trying to compare the two players to each other on the idea of who was better.....if you read my post I said would die hard BC fans consider KHL the best player at BC, like RMC fans consider Megan Silva the best at RMC. I was giving a recent example of a player on this board that ppl say was the best at her school, and yes, the ODAC. I never once was trying to compare them.

What I was trying to say when I replied to you is that RMC fans try and find ways to announce how wonderful Megan Silva is, even when there is nothing on this board to give you reason to.

Not a big deal at all though, I was just posing a question to BC fans and you had to "put in your two sense" about the fact that Megan Silva was the best player ever.

Now, on another note, congratulations to Megan Silva on having her jersey retired. That is quite an honor. Has anyone else had their jersey retired at RMC?

(GAVA, if you answer, "Megan Silva is the best ever", then that won't actually answer my question ;))
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 17, 2007, 04:31:49 PM
with 2:30 left in the game...

EMU- 51
VWC- 51

:o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 17, 2007, 04:43:41 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 17, 2007, 11:12:22 AM

Now, on another note, congratulations to Megan Silva on having her jersey retired. That is quite an honor. Has anyone else had their jersey retired at RMC?


Never
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 17, 2007, 04:48:59 PM
EMU wins a nail biter over VWC...who loses yet another game to a top conference opponent. EMU now locks up the #3 seed which will give BC the #4 seed.

To me, I think EMU finishing 4 spots higher then they were predicted and sweeping VWC gives their coach plenty of reason for COY.

I know Coach LaHaye got her 400th win, but COY is because of accomplishments done during the season, not the career. RMC, despite what people say, was expected to do well, they even received a #1 vote in the preseason poll and they were preseason nationally ranked, so you can't say that they were not expected to be good this season. People knew they were going to be good. Nobody thought EMU would do this good. This is only their coach's second year and look at what he has done.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 17, 2007, 04:59:04 PM
Congrats to EMU on their win over VWC.

should be a great and exciting tourney.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 17, 2007, 06:01:57 PM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on February 17, 2007, 04:48:59 PM

I know Coach LaHaye got her 400th win, but COY is because of accomplishments done during the season, not the career. RMC, despite what people say, was expected to do well, they even received a #1 vote in the preseason poll and they were preseason nationally ranked, so you can't say that they were not expected to be good this season. People knew they were going to be good. Nobody thought EMU would do this good. This is only their coach's second year and look at what he has done.

Coach LaHaye and her team have overcome many things this season to make her a primary candidate, not even including the 400 wins. Like I said before, they lost 7 players as opposed to EMU's 2 players. Not only did RMC lose Silva, they lost 2 other starters as well. LaHaye truley started from scratch (with the exception of some solid returning players) with new freshman and transfers and made this team something special. And I agree with GAVA, they just beat EMU by 30, which really just sums it up I think.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill07 on February 17, 2007, 06:07:12 PM
fairmont.....VWC who yet still finishes ahead of both EMU and Bridgewater in the final standings....VWC who yet still split the regular-season games with R-MC and BC...VWC who yet had the No. 2 seed wrapped up on Friday after EMU's loss to yet another ODAC team...VWC who yet probably went into the game somewhat flat because of EMU's Friday loss...so, some pretty good yets there.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill07 on February 17, 2007, 06:09:20 PM
POY....Hanson from Roanoke....she has the Maroons winning down the stretch and heading into the tournament with some steam, making them a very dangerous opponent for anyone...unlike Bridgewater which lost YET three games in a row
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 17, 2007, 09:24:46 PM
Congratulations to Jessica Hunsinger on breaking the ODAC record for the most rebounds.  As for jmill07's player of the year - WRONG!  It's either Jessica Hunsinger for her ODAC record or Katy Herr Lovell.  Hanson may have had a few good games recently , but KHL has had a career of good games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 17, 2007, 10:16:15 PM
No surprise R-MC gets the win over Hollins today... 112-46. Congrats to seniors Kristen Morgan and Salem Shaffer on great ODAC careers... although it's not over quite yet  :)

Can't wait for ODAC Tourney Time next weekend!!!!!!!!!  ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 17, 2007, 10:33:45 PM
My tournament picks... everyone else feel free to chime in with yours as well  :)

#1 R-MC vs. #8 Lynchburg -- R-MC
#4 Bridgewater vs. #5 Roanoke -- Roanoke

#2 VWC vs. #7 Guilford -- VWC
#3 EMU vs. #6 W&L -- EMU

#1 R-MC vs. #5 Roanoke -- R-MC
#2 VWC vs. #3 EMU -- VWC

#1 R-MC vs. #2 VWC -- R-MC wins the Tourney  ;D

Roanoke rides their hot streak with an "upset" over Bridgewater... it will be a close game and BC will put up a good fight, but I think Roanoke will get the W in the end.
The rest of the 1st round... no surprises.

VWC will get the W over EMU... simply because EMU has beat them twice this year in close games, and that will give VWC enough fire to get the W once and for all.

R-MC over VWC in the finals  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 18, 2007, 11:38:55 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 17, 2007, 10:33:45 PM
My tournament picks... everyone else feel free to chime in with yours as well  :)

#1 R-MC vs. #8 Lynchburg -- R-MC
#4 Bridgewater vs. #5 Roanoke -- Roanoke

#2 VWC vs. #7 Guilford -- VWC
#3 EMU vs. #6 W&L -- EMU

#1 R-MC vs. #5 Roanoke -- R-MC
#2 VWC vs. #3 EMU -- VWC

#1 R-MC vs. #2 VWC -- R-MC wins the Tourney  ;D

Roanoke rides their hot streak with an "upset" over Bridgewater... it will be a close game and BC will put up a good fight, but I think Roanoke will get the W in the end.
The rest of the 1st round... no surprises.

VWC will get the W over EMU... simply because EMU has beat them twice this year in close games, and that will give VWC enough fire to get the W once and for all.

R-MC over VWC in the finals  :)

Looks about right except for the last game :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 18, 2007, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: huskiect on February 18, 2007, 11:38:55 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 17, 2007, 10:33:45 PM
My tournament picks... everyone else feel free to chime in with yours as well  :)

#1 R-MC vs. #8 Lynchburg -- R-MC
#4 Bridgewater vs. #5 Roanoke -- Roanoke

#2 VWC vs. #7 Guilford -- VWC
#3 EMU vs. #6 W&L -- EMU

#1 R-MC vs. #5 Roanoke -- R-MC
#2 VWC vs. #3 EMU -- VWC

#1 R-MC vs. #2 VWC -- R-MC wins the Tourney  ;D

Roanoke rides their hot streak with an "upset" over Bridgewater... it will be a close game and BC will put up a good fight, but I think Roanoke will get the W in the end.
The rest of the 1st round... no surprises.

VWC will get the W over EMU... simply because EMU has beat them twice this year in close games, and that will give VWC enough fire to get the W once and for all.

R-MC over VWC in the finals  :)

Looks about right except for the last game :D

Guess we'll just have to wait and see....  8)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 18, 2007, 06:21:15 PM
Quote from: jmill07 on February 17, 2007, 06:09:20 PM
POY....Hanson from Roanoke....she has the Maroons winning down the stretch and heading into the tournament with some steam, making them a very dangerous opponent for anyone...unlike Bridgewater which lost YET three games in a row

Great logic there jmill07! We should decide who has had the best season and deserves POY by who is heading into the ODAC with the most steam!

I have seen Roanoke play four times this year, and though I considered Hanson a very good player...I was never in awe of her overall game. She seemed to force a lot, in two of the games I saw her she had three fouls in each game that was because of throwing an elbow and she was called for an offensive foul! She is 6th in the league in turnovers, just two turnovers away from joining four Hollins players in the top 5. She scores a lot, but she shoots a heck of a lot (which I know is what good players are supposed to do) and she grabs a good amount of rebounds (but she is a 6-footer).

I have seen a lot of ODAC basketball this year, and in all the games I have seen there are two players who I just thought to myself were above the rest, and they have the stats to back that up. Of course I think Katy Herr Lovell is the best all around player I saw this year, and she definitely has the stats to back it up.....she ranks in the top 15 in 10 of the 12 statistical categories, she is #1 in steals, assists, and assist-turnover ratio and #2 in ft %, she is the only PG in the top 15 in rebounding and she is 5'4 yet grabs 6.0 boards a game and is #7 all-time at BC in rebounding. BC has been plagued with injuries all season (Tori Ruckman out for season with ACL, Becca Henderson has missed a number of games with ankle injury and has not been 100% in many games, Jessica Timberlake has missed several games and is still not 100%) yet the Eagles have still had a decent season and to me, that is all in part to their floor leader KHL. I have seen over 10 BC games this season, and I have always been impressed.

The other player I have been extremely impressed with is a freshmen....guess who??? Molly Arial. Wow! She has some amazing numbers for a freshmen, just look at them. If there was a second place POY to KHL, it would be Arial for me. I saw her play three times, and every game I was very impressed.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 18, 2007, 11:29:06 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 17, 2007, 10:33:45 PM
My tournament picks... everyone else feel free to chime in with yours as well  :)

#1 R-MC vs. #8 Lynchburg -- R-MC
#4 Bridgewater vs. #5 Roanoke -- Roanoke

#2 VWC vs. #7 Guilford -- VWC
#3 EMU vs. #6 W&L -- EMU

#1 R-MC vs. #5 Roanoke -- R-MC
#2 VWC vs. #3 EMU -- VWC

#1 R-MC vs. #2 VWC -- R-MC wins the Tourney  ;D

Roanoke rides their hot streak with an "upset" over Bridgewater... it will be a close game and BC will put up a good fight, but I think Roanoke will get the W in the end.
The rest of the 1st round... no surprises.

VWC will get the W over EMU... simply because EMU has beat them twice this year in close games, and that will give VWC enough fire to get the W once and for all.

R-MC over VWC in the finals  :)

These predictions seem to make sense when one reads them as the only upset is a small one with the #5 seed over the #4 seed, and it makes even more sense seeing as how that #5 seed swept the #4 seed in the regular season. So, there are really no surprises in this tournament prediction, everything goes according to seeding, everything goes smoothly, life is good for Randolph Macon nation.

However, I just can't imagine the tournament being this predictable. As crazy as the season turned out to be with a lot of different teams making noise, I would be very surprised to see the tournament unravel as ordinary as this prediction makes it out. This is tournament time! Time for upsets! Time for surprises!

I am not going to make any predictions other then just this one......I predict it won't be as predictable as this prediction ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 18, 2007, 11:33:15 PM
Quote from: jmill07 on February 17, 2007, 06:07:12 PM
fairmont.....VWC who yet still finishes ahead of both EMU and Bridgewater in the final standings....VWC who yet still split the regular-season games with R-MC and BC...VWC who yet had the No. 2 seed wrapped up on Friday after EMU's loss to yet another ODAC team...VWC who yet probably went into the game somewhat flat because of EMU's Friday loss...so, some pretty good yets there.




what is this all about? I said VWC lost to another top team....that was stating a fact. I could also say BC had a dissapointing season not finishing closer to the top, or I could say that Roanoke was probably the most inconsistent team this year with some huge wins and some very puzzling losses, both statements merely stating facts. I didn't mean to hit a sensitive spot there, jmill, so I do apologize. Your marlins had a terrific season, that is obvious. However, if they would have fared better against the top teams, they would have found themselves undoubtebly as the top team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 19, 2007, 09:40:11 AM
Congratulations to Randolph College (RMWC) Senior Sara Rechnitzer who reached the 1000th point mark this week.   We tend to focus our comments on the players who are on the winning teams on this forum, and that's fine.  But it's great to also recognize the efforts and contributions of ALL the ODAC players who excel for their teams in our league. 

Way to go Sara!!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbingit on February 19, 2007, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 17, 2007, 09:24:46 PM
Congratulations to Jessica Hunsinger on breaking the ODAC record for the most rebounds.  As for jmill07's player of the year - WRONG!  It's either Jessica Hunsinger for her ODAC record or Katy Herr Lovell.  Hanson may have had a few good games recently , but KHL has had a career of good games.
So are you saying you want to base POY on KHL career stats? POY is who has had the best year this year. I still think Hanson but I think KHL is also deserving.
Congrats to Hunsinger on her ODAC record. She has had a great career at WLU. Also congrats to Sara Rechnitzer.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 19, 2007, 11:23:13 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 19, 2007, 09:40:11 AM
Congratulations to Randolph College (RMWC) Senior Sara Rechnitzer who reached the 1000th point mark this week.   We tend to focus our comments on the players who are on the winning teams on this forum, and that's fine.  But it's great to also recognize the efforts and contributions of ALL the ODAC players who excel for their teams in our league. 

Way to go Sara!!




I agree! That is quite an accomplishment, and Sara has been a very important part of that basketball team for the past four years and I know everyone there will miss her.




Jmill, calm down. Fairmont only stated the obvious about an upsetting loss for the Marlins, which to me was a bigger loss then what you made it out to be. I was at the EMU vs. VWC game, and I was so upset with the Marlins. They didn't play with any fire! Who cares if they already had the #2 spot locked up, they're fighting for a possible at-large bid if they don't win the tournament championship, which I thought they still had a slim chance of getting, but not now. Last year BC made the tournament with 6 losses, so I know VWC could have also. They will definitely need to win the championship now, which I think is a very distinct possibility.

And about my marlins winning the championship, that is my pick. I think that since this group of seniors have never won a tournament game, they will be fired up and ready to go this year and make a run all the way through, but they have to play with fire and intensity.

I also think there will be some big upsets. I agree with fairmont, this tournament won't be that predictable, not with this even level of play the ODAC saw this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 19, 2007, 11:33:22 AM
Quote from: bbingit on February 19, 2007, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 17, 2007, 09:24:46 PM
Congratulations to Jessica Hunsinger on breaking the ODAC record for the most rebounds.  As for jmill07's player of the year - WRONG!  It's either Jessica Hunsinger for her ODAC record or Katy Herr Lovell.  Hanson may have had a few good games recently , but KHL has had a career of good games.
So are you saying you want to base POY on KHL career stats? POY is who has had the best year this year. I still think Hanson but I think KHL is also deserving.
Congrats to Hunsinger on her ODAC record. She has had a great career at WLU. Also congrats to Sara Rechnitzer.


I agree, you do not pick POY or COY on career accomplishments, but I still go with KHL because she has had a very impressive season and ranks in more statistical categories then any other player, which shows a very all-around player. That is also why you have to forget about Coach LaHaye reaching her 400th win. Its about the season's accomplishments.

and congratulations to Sara Rechnitzer! I think there will probably be another Rechnitzer that we'll be congratulating in a few years on scorings 1,000 points ;)

For you BC fans, or just anyone who is curious, there was an article done on Katy Herr Lovell in today's Staunton News Leader about her career at BC and at Lee High, and it has some stuff about her family, including her husband. Here is the link...http://www.newsleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070219/SPORTS/702190323/1006

Her career stats at BC were not up to date in the article, but they said they will post her most up to date stats at the end of the season. Its a good article anways.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 19, 2007, 01:58:18 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 19, 2007, 11:33:22 AM


I agree, you do not pick POY or COY on career accomplishments, but I still go with KHL because she has had a very impressive season and ranks in more statistical categories then any other player, which shows a very all-around player. That is also why you have to forget about Coach LaHaye reaching her 400th win. Its about the season's accomplishments.


If we arent basing this on careers, I would say Erin Hanson would be the pick for POY as far as the season goes. She is averaging 19 pts per game and almost 10 rebounds.. nearly a double double and leading the conference in scoring and third in rebounding. Not to mention her team had wins against RMC, BC, and EMU. And no you dont need to forget LaHaye's 400th win to make her a candidate for COY.. thats one more thing to add to her accomplishments this season alone.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbingit on February 19, 2007, 02:52:27 PM
My picks for tournament: RMC vs RC in semis; GC VS EMU AND THEN RC VS EMU IN THE FINALS AND RC TO WIN IT ALL!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 19, 2007, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: bbingit on February 19, 2007, 02:52:27 PM
My picks for tournament: RMC vs RC in semis; GC VS EMU AND THEN RC VS EMU IN THE FINALS AND RC TO WIN IT ALL!

GC beating VWC? I'd like a piece of that action !! RC beating BC, RMC, and EMU.....wow!!!! Do you play poker??? ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 20, 2007, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: baller116 on February 19, 2007, 01:58:18 PM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 19, 2007, 11:33:22 AM


If we arent basing this on careers, I would say Erin Hanson would be the pick for POY as far as the season goes.



We ARENT basing it on careers it is called player of the YEAR not player of the Career.....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 20, 2007, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: bbingit on February 19, 2007, 02:52:27 PM
My picks for tournament: RMC vs RC in semis; GC VS EMU AND THEN RC VS EMU IN THE FINALS AND RC TO WIN IT ALL!

Wow... I'll give it to you that Roanoke ALWAYS brings their A game to the tournament, but winning it all? I dunno about that one...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 20, 2007, 02:26:44 PM
I am not so sure you can really say that Roanoke gets hot tournament time. Over the years they have had a lot of success in the ODAC, but if you look at the current group of seniors this is their record in the ODAC tournament...1-3

In 2003-2004 they lost in the quarterfinals to Bridgewater 58-50

In 2004-2005 they lost in the quarterfinals to Bridgewater 73-72

In 2005-2006 they lost in the semifinals to Bridgewater 69-54

So, Roanoke getting hot tourney time? I am not sure that is really a valid statement. I guess if they are getting hot at tourney time, then BC has been the ones to cool them off every year.

Roanoke seniors ODAC tourney record- 1-3
Bridgewater seniors ODAC tourney record- 5-3

Roanoke has had a good year, but I will go with BC to avoid the season sweep by knocking off the Maroons on Friday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 20, 2007, 03:03:47 PM
One of the women I work with is a huge RMC fan as her two kids went there. Both of her children (both graduated) still follow all the RMC sports. She was telling me that the past two years when RMC was ranked nationally in the top 10 and was dominant in the ODAC, that they were always overly confident about their chances in the ODAC tournament. She said this year her and her kids are worried because she believes all 5 seeds have a legitimate chance of taking the title.

I know I am worrying about my marlins, but if you look at our tournament record over the years I have planty of reason to worry, but its good to know that there are RMC faithfuls out there joining us other ODAC fans in the nervousness and worrying that leads up to a tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 20, 2007, 03:14:00 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 20, 2007, 03:03:47 PM
She was telling me that the past two years when RMC was ranked nationally in the top 10 and was dominant in the ODAC, that they were always overly confident about their chances in the ODAC tournament.

I know from first hand experience that RMC was not overly confident.. maybe just confident that they had what it took to win which they ended up proving.. and I am sure from there season this year with the 20 wins, they have confidence in themselves to do it again..
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 20, 2007, 04:41:26 PM
Quote from: baller116 on February 20, 2007, 03:14:00 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 20, 2007, 03:03:47 PM
She was telling me that the past two years when RMC was ranked nationally in the top 10 and was dominant in the ODAC, that they were always overly confident about their chances in the ODAC tournament.

I know from first hand experience that RMC was not overly confident.. maybe just confident that they had what it took to win which they ended up proving.. and I am sure from there season this year with the 20 wins, they have confidence in themselves to do it again..

what's your honest, no bias take on it, baller116? is RMC less confident this year then the past two years? the past two years they had a total of 1 ODAC loss. this year they have three and several close calls.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 20, 2007, 05:55:59 PM
Quote from: jmill07 on February 17, 2007, 06:09:20 PM
POY....Hanson from Roanoke....she has the Maroons winning down the stretch and heading into the tournament with some steam, making them a very dangerous opponent for anyone...unlike Bridgewater which lost YET three games in a row
She certainly didn't bring her "A" game against W & L, and she can't do it by herself.  Bridgewater for the matchup.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 20, 2007, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 20, 2007, 04:41:26 PM
Quote from: baller116 on February 20, 2007, 03:14:00 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 20, 2007, 03:03:47 PM
She was telling me that the past two years when RMC was ranked nationally in the top 10 and was dominant in the ODAC, that they were always overly confident about their chances in the ODAC tournament.

I know from first hand experience that RMC was not overly confident.. maybe just confident that they had what it took to win which they ended up proving.. and I am sure from there season this year with the 20 wins, they have confidence in themselves to do it again..

what's your honest, no bias take on it, baller116? is RMC less confident this year then the past two years? the past two years they had a total of 1 ODAC loss. this year they have three and several close calls.

How could R-MC be overconfident about their chances in the ODAC tourney the past two years??? That is a ridiculous statement (and I know your coworker said that... not you, so that's no criticism to you, odac fan 4 life).
R-MC was undefeated (in the ODAC) going into the ODAC tourney in 2005, and only had one ODAC loss going into the tourney in 2006. It would be a crime not to be the most confident out of all the teams with those records to back you up.
Regardless, I think that there are a lot of teams that should be confident coming into the tournament this year. However, that doesn't make me any less confident in my Jackets, and I'm sure they know that there's a tough road ahead of them this weekend. BUT, I'm sure they have more than enough confidence to get them through ODACs this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 20, 2007, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 20, 2007, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 20, 2007, 04:41:26 PM
Quote from: baller116 on February 20, 2007, 03:14:00 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 20, 2007, 03:03:47 PM
She was telling me that the past two years when RMC was ranked nationally in the top 10 and was dominant in the ODAC, that they were always overly confident about their chances in the ODAC tournament.

I know from first hand experience that RMC was not overly confident.. maybe just confident that they had what it took to win which they ended up proving.. and I am sure from there season this year with the 20 wins, they have confidence in themselves to do it again..

what's your honest, no bias take on it, baller116? is RMC less confident this year then the past two years? the past two years they had a total of 1 ODAC loss. this year they have three and several close calls.

How could R-MC be overconfident about their chances in the ODAC tourney the past two years??? That is a ridiculous statement (and I know your coworker said that... not you, so that's no criticism to you, odac fan 4 life).
R-MC was undefeated (in the ODAC) going into the ODAC tourney in 2005, and only had one ODAC loss going into the tourney in 2006. It would be a crime not to be the most confident out of all the teams with those records to back you up.
Regardless, I think that there are a lot of teams that should be confident coming into the tournament this year. However, that doesn't make me any less confident in my Jackets, and I'm sure they know that there's a tough road ahead of them this weekend. BUT, I'm sure they have more than enough confidence to get them through ODACs this year.

well said....there should be a lot of confident teams....it should be a fun tournament for all of us fans!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 21, 2007, 01:56:06 AM

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what's your honest, no bias take on it, baller116? is RMC less confident this year then the past two years? the past two years they had a total of 1 ODAC loss. this year they have three and several close calls.
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My take on it is that RMC may be less dangerous than years in the past, but they have proven this year that with or without Silva, they can win. I really believe these girls have what it takes to win the whole thing. People that say RMC was overconfident never must have interacted with the team themself the past two years because the whole motto was to take one game at a time.. never to get too confident and the girls never did. These were a classy group of players and I feel honored to have known them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 21, 2007, 11:58:18 AM
talking about a classy group....I just wanted to comend the group of seniors from BC on their outstanding class on and off the court. Shannon Scales, Jessica Young, and Katy Herr Lovell have made dean's list every semester since being in school, and all three have now been accepted into graduate school to get their doctorate in physical therapy. It's neat that these three young ladies are all going into the same field and have all had such successful careers (in the classroom and on the court) at BC.

(I am not sure what Amy Childs, the other senior, plans to do after college?)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ihavenolife on February 21, 2007, 11:00:17 PM
I worked directly with R-MC athletic teams for six years -- and in all honesty, I never saw the women's basketball team as being "overconfident" heading into the ODAC tournament.  The coaching staff and players always respected the opponents, knowing anything could happen. 

They also went into the tournament extremely prepared for ANY possible opponents, should they move on from the quarterfinals.  It's hard to practice for three straight games, especially not knowing who your upcoming opponents will be if you advance.  But I do know that as much as possible, it's true -- R-MC tried to take it "one game at a time" and did not take anything for granted.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 22, 2007, 04:15:12 PM
Had a conversation today with a past SID, and he filled me in a little bit on some of the criteria for POY, FOY, and all conference honors. I am not sure if this is what every SID reviews, or just this particular one? Did not think to ask him that.

He said.....

You look at scoring, and then overall point production.

Scoring is of course your scoring average.

Overall Point Production (OPP) is your scoring avg. plus your assists x 2. That is, your OPP is all the points you contribute in a game.

Depending on your position, certain weight is given to certain stats. A post will be expected to rebound and block more and  assist and turnover less. A guard will be expected to do the opposite. The turnovers are because the guards handle the ball more. Scoring is seen as important for any position, and steals, assist-turnover ratio, shooting %s, and minutes played are typically given the same weight for every position.

I know that Katy Herr Lovell and Erin Hanson seem to be the two front runners for POY, so I decided to post all of their stats.

ERIN HANSON  6'0   Post                KATY HERR LOVELL  5'4  Guard

Scoring-  19.1                                         13.0

OPP-       23.02                                      21.88

Minutes-   29.6                                       34.0

FG%-       .497                                        .401

3FG%-     .401                                       .346

FT%-        .830                                        .837

REB-         244                                         151

OFF-          56                                           53

DEF-         188                                          98

Reb. Avg.- 9.8                                         6.0

Ass.           49                                         111

TO-            97                                          51

Ass./TO-   0.50                                       2.18

Blk.-          23                                          12

Stl.-           47                                          98

Also, where a player ranks in their conference statistical standings pulls some weight because it shows how a player matched up to other players in games.

       HANSON                                LOVELL

1st-       2                                        3

Top 5-   4                                        4

Top 10- 6                                        6

Top 15- 8                                       10

(I did not include turnovers in this ;D)


Things that do not affect these decisions.......

1. A player's political affiliation
2. The level of the player's attractiveness
3. A player's team's hot streak  ;)


When looking at all of this, I still see KHL as the POY simply because she is without a doubt the best at her position in the ODAC, and she is invaluable to her team. If she is taken out you notice, hence her 34.0 minutes a game. Erin Hanson is an amazing player, but she has a few things that hold her back from being the BEST, especially her tendency to force sometimes, hence her turnovers. I went to the WLU vs. RC game where WLU beat the Maroons, and there was two different times when Hanson made very poor decisions and Coach Dunagon took her out because of it. She's amazing, that is for sure, just not the best. However, make your own decision, the ODAC will certainly make their decision here in just a few hours.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 22, 2007, 07:50:59 PM
Just announced POY Erin Hanson Roanoke.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on February 22, 2007, 08:31:26 PM
I do not care what the SIDs say....Katy Herr Lovell is still my POY....and we both know what those two girls want more then that award, they want to keep playing....we'll see what happens tomorrow?

Katy Herr Lovell from BC makes 1st team
Shannon Scales from BC makes 2nd team
Amy Childs from BC makes honorable mention


Congrats to those players!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ihavenolife on February 22, 2007, 08:58:50 PM
As I remember it, SIDs do not vote for all-ODAC teams in ANY sport.  Just scholar-athletes.  SIDs may help the coaches with writing the nominations, but then the coaches do the actual voting.  Unless it's changed this year? 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 23, 2007, 07:39:31 AM
Fairmont I ma pretty sure that the COACHES vote for POY. So Obviously the ODAC coaches don't feel the KHL is the POY. Maybe we should just let BC fans vote for the awards.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: elee109 on February 23, 2007, 07:56:33 AM
vwcbeachbum...............Fairmont can't post his opinion without a smart-a**ed remark from you?  You contribute so little to this board.  I seldom post, but read the boards because I am interested in people's opinions and being connected to what's happening in the ODAC.  As I read, I am keenly aware that Fairmont is a fan with well thought out remarks....you're just noise in the wind...the obnoxious kid who just want's to be heard.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 23, 2007, 09:55:45 AM
Quote from: elee109 on February 23, 2007, 07:56:33 AM
vwcbeachbum...............Fairmont can't post his opinion without a smart-a**ed remark from you?  You contribute so little to this board.  I seldom post, but read the boards because I am interested in people's opinions and being connected to what's happening in the ODAC.  As I read, I am keenly aware that Fairmont is a fan with well thought out remarks....you're just noise in the wind...the obnoxious kid who just want's to be heard.

well said elee109.....I am a VWC fan and I would have voted for KHL! I swear....you have absolutely no class and I am continued to be embarrased to cheer for the same school as you. Fairmont contributes to this board as a loayal BC fan and I have never once seem him bring down another person or school on the board....you I can not say the same for. This board and VWC would be a lot better represented if you just shut up!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 23, 2007, 10:11:41 AM
hey beachbum.....let me fill you in on how you could have been positive and constructive on this board instead of being immature.

you could have said...

congrats to three Marlins who earned all-conference honors!

Nicole Thurston 1st team
Michelle Dove- honorable mention
Andrea Ushinski- honorable mention


Way to go ladies!

(the said thing is.....vwcbeachbum probably loves this attention he is getting about being the most disliked on the board...its not about people disliking vwc fans like you would argue...its about them disliking people who are immature, sarcastic, and rude.)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 23, 2007, 10:37:32 AM
Congratulations to Coach Griffin! I know he is in store for a very bright career at EMU as this is only his second year behind the wheel with a whole lot of talented underclassmen riding with him.

vwcbeachbum, try and show some class, not for yourself, but for the team you are representing. I know some people on this board are excited to see another ODAC women's basketball power emerging because we like to see good ODAC competition, but its hard to be excited about the Marlins when the perspective we see from them is a very annoying and immature fan. Please, grow up!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 23, 2007, 12:32:39 PM
Wow, I didn't realize that pointing out how the POY was voted for would cause so much trouble I was just trying to make sure that every one understood who voted for the honor. And to be honest, yes all of you are entitled to your opinions on who "should" have been POY, but i am just guessing that most of the ODAC coaches are pretty smart people and they have seen every player in the conference alot more than all of us and they selected Erin Hanson. Guess on this board if you don't have the majority opinion then what you have then you are "immature".  Maybe they should put the POY award on the scores table in Salem today and let the player from the winning team take it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 01:52:07 PM
32-22... R-MC up at the half
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 23, 2007, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 01:52:07 PM
32-22... R-MC up at the half

Appreciate the update!  Things are a little brighter over on this board as far as the Yellow Jackets are concerned.  GO Macon.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 02:03:42 PM
Shaffer with 18 early in the second half... keep it going Salem!!! :-D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 02:09:39 PM
Caroline Wesley doing a great job on the boards... 14 rebounds and 20 points with 12 min. left in the game.
If R-MC wants to keep their lead and get the W they have GOT to stop her.

R-MC -- 46
LC -- 38
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 02:24:13 PM
Less than 5 minutes to go...

R-MC -- 55
LC -- 48
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 02:27:35 PM
6 point run by R-MC... Lynchburg takes the full timeout at 2:28 to go...

R-MC -- 61
LC -- 50
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 02:40:50 PM
Final Score:
R-MC -- 70
LC -- 59

R-MC pulls it out in the last 5 minutes... great job Jackets!!!

Shaffer with a GREAT game for R-MC... 22 points, 8 rebounds, 6 steals, 5 assists. Three other Jackets in double figures: Morgan (10), Hiltunen (13) and Riesbeck (15). Ariail with 8 points... she fouled out with a few minutes left in the game.

Caroline Wesley with a HUGE effort for LC -- 26 points, 17 rebounds... she should be commended for a great game... the last of her career.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 04:47:20 PM
RC -- 90
BC -- 84

Less than 2 min to go...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 04:51:22 PM
Eagles timeout... 53 seconds left... RC up 5
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
Roanoke with the upset over Bridgewater... 98-90
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 23, 2007, 05:02:35 PM
A very disappointing season for BC. After a Sweet 16 apperance last year, and with 4 seniors this year, this should have been their year to shine. Just underachieving. A real shame for Herr, Childs and the the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 23, 2007, 05:05:23 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 23, 2007, 05:02:35 PM
A very disappointing season for BC. After a Sweet 16 apperance last year, and with 4 seniors this year, this should have been their year to shine. Just underachieving. A real shame for Herr, Childs and the the rest of the team.

As mentioned before, the loss of Tori Ruckman for the season signaled the downfall was in motion. BC never recovered to play team ball after that loss.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: Llamaguy on February 23, 2007, 05:05:23 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 23, 2007, 05:02:35 PM
A very disappointing season for BC. After a Sweet 16 apperance last year, and with 4 seniors this year, this should have been their year to shine. Just underachieving. A real shame for Herr, Childs and the the rest of the team.

As mentioned before, the loss of Tori Ruckman for the season signaled the downfall was in motion. BC never recovered to play team ball after that loss.  ;)

Although I understand how hard it is to bounce back from losing a player for the rest of the season, with the number of talented and seasoned veterans they had today, they should have been able to pull out the win. With that much experience and talent, there's no reason why they shouldn't have won today.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on February 23, 2007, 06:15:44 PM
Totally agree RMC. Sometimes chemistry doesn't return. Ruckman was starting her first game of the season that night and in all honesty could have started earlier. I just think it shows BC was not very deep, atleast from a chemistry stand point.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 23, 2007, 07:45:04 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 02:40:50 PM
Final Score:
R-MC -- 70
LC -- 59

R-MC pulls it out in the last 5 minutes... great job Jackets!!!

Shaffer with a GREAT game for R-MC... 22 points, 8 rebounds, 6 steals, 5 assists. Three other Jackets in double figures: Morgan (10), Hiltunen (13) and Riesbeck (15). Ariail with 8 points... she fouled out with a few minutes left in the game.

Caroline Wesley with a HUGE effort for LC -- 26 points, 17 rebounds... she should be commended for a great game... the last of her career.


too bad I missed you at the game RMCAlum30... it was most definitly a good one! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: baller116 on February 23, 2007, 07:45:04 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 02:40:50 PM
Final Score:
R-MC -- 70
LC -- 59

R-MC pulls it out in the last 5 minutes... great job Jackets!!!

Shaffer with a GREAT game for R-MC... 22 points, 8 rebounds, 6 steals, 5 assists. Three other Jackets in double figures: Morgan (10), Hiltunen (13) and Riesbeck (15). Ariail with 8 points... she fouled out with a few minutes left in the game.

Caroline Wesley with a HUGE effort for LC -- 26 points, 17 rebounds... she should be commended for a great game... the last of her career.


too bad I missed you at the game RMCAlum30... it was most definitly a good one! :)

I'll be there tomorrow and Sunday... yessssssssssssssssssssss  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 23, 2007, 09:43:16 PM
W&L wins by 10 over EMU!! 53-43 

I couldn't get the audio link through the ODAC site at all.  Live Stats is torturous, but I guess better than nothing.

In person is best, so I'll see you tomorrow in Salem RMCAlum30...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 23, 2007, 11:15:55 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 23, 2007, 09:43:16 PM
W&L wins by 10 over EMU!! 53-43 

I couldn't get the audio link through the ODAC site at all.  Live Stats is torturous, but I guess better than nothing.

I person is best so I'll see you tomorrow in Salem RMCAlum30...

WOW... did not see that upset coming... but that's what I love about the tournament... so unpredictable. Although I'm still predicting R-MC vs. VWC in the finals, and R-MC to win it all... can't wait to see what happens... IN PERSON!

Seeeeeeeeeeeee ya tomorrow!  :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 24, 2007, 12:17:28 AM
"VWC senior Nicole Thurston led all scorers with 22 points on 9-of-10 shooting from the field"

Big win for the Marlins over the Quakers today- big momentum going into tomorrow.  And congrats Thurston for the first team honor!  It's been about 7 or 8 years since that's happened for V-dubb.  Great hon. mentions as well for Dove and Ushinski which they truly deserve.  It's so neat to watch such a well rounded team.  With EMU out, things hopefully will be a little easier down the stretch, although it looks like W&L is in Salem to play some ball.  And if I were in a Macon uniform tomorrow, I'd really bring it for 'Noke.  They could be the real deal this weekend.  Wish I was there!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 24, 2007, 08:25:28 AM
Guess the board is going to get REAL dull till next year since the eagle fans are out of stuff to argue about.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 08:35:19 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 24, 2007, 12:17:28 AM
  With EMU out, things hopefully will be a little easier down the stretch, although it looks like W&L is in Salem to play some ball.  And if I were in a Macon uniform tomorrow, I'd really bring it for 'Noke.  They could be the real deal this weekend.  Wish I was there!

Oh what a strange twist. OldSchool and Beachbum need to be rooting for RMC to take out Noke today. If RMC stumbles today they get the only at large bid. A RMC-VWC final gets both to the dance.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gogenerals04 on February 24, 2007, 10:08:05 AM
From the ODAC's tournament web site:

SALEM, Va. --- The Old Dominion Athletic Conference, in conjunction with the city of Salem, Va., and PennAtlantic, will be offering audio and video service via the Internet during the 2007 ODAC Men's and Women's Basketball Championships.

Audio will be available for all men's and women's games.  Rick Seidel and Jeremy Franklin will bring you all the play-by-play action.  For select games, a pair of the ODAC's own will lend their knowledge to color commentary.  Lynchburg College head coach John Swickrath will provided analysis on the men's side while Hollins University mentor Richie Waggoner will dissect the women's action.

For the semi-final and championship rounds, the games will be videocast by PennAtlantic, offering all those an opportunity to watch the games from the comforts of their own homes.  All you need is a high-speed Internet connection and a FREE account set up with PennAtlantic.  Just go to www.pennatlantic.com to create your login and access the games.

Due to the number of games that are being broadcast by the ODAC and PennAtlantic, there may be a $3.00 fee required to access each game.

http://www.odaconline.com/odacbballtourney/index.htm (http://www.odaconline.com/odacbballtourney/index.htm)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 24, 2007, 10:50:59 AM
FYI:

Regarding EMU's lose, their best player, Riley, wasn't near 100%.  She had a viral infection and only played 22 minutes and scored just 8 pts.  Coach Griffin stated that she probably shouldn't have played period, but she is a trooper.  I would have to believe that this would have been a different game with Riley being healthy.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on February 24, 2007, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: emufan on February 24, 2007, 10:50:59 AM
FYI:

Regarding EMU's lose, their best player, Riley, wasn't near 100%.  She had a viral infection and only played 22 minutes and scored just 8 pts.  Coach Griffin stated that she probably shouldn't have played period, but she is a trooper.  I would have to believe that this would have been a different game with Riley being healthy.

EMU did not lose just because Riley was under the weather.  The Generals had players that did not score as much as usual and still won.  Also, Bridgewater did not lose just because Tori Ruckman was injured several games ago.  It's tournament time.  Play ball.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2007, 11:11:18 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 24, 2007, 12:17:28 AM
"VWC senior Nicole Thurston led all scorers with 22 points on 9-of-10 shooting from the field"

Big win for the Marlins over the Quakers today- big momentum going into tomorrow.  And congrats Thurston for the first team honor!  It's been about 7 or 8 years since that's happened for V-dubb.  Great hon. mentions as well for Dove and Ushinski which they truly deserve.  It's so neat to watch such a well rounded team.  With EMU out, things hopefully will be a little easier down the stretch, although it looks like W&L is in Salem to play some ball.  And if I were in a Macon uniform tomorrow, I'd really bring it for 'Noke.  They could be the real deal this weekend.  Wish I was there!

Like I said a few days ago, Roanoke always brings their A game to the tournament... so R-MC will have their hands full today, but I think they can pull it out!  :)

Leaving in a few hours for Salem  8)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 24, 2007, 12:00:17 PM
waterlucy,

You can't tell me that not having your best player at 100% doesn't impact a team.  I think that is evidenced as EMU scored only 40 some points.  I didn't say EMU would have won, I said that Riley was extremely sick.  That needed to be noted. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 24, 2007, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 08:35:19 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 24, 2007, 12:17:28 AM
  With EMU out, things hopefully will be a little easier down the stretch, although it looks like W&L is in Salem to play some ball.  And if I were in a Macon uniform tomorrow, I'd really bring it for 'Noke.  They could be the real deal this weekend.  Wish I was there!

Oh what a strange twist. OldSchool and Beachbum need to be rooting for RMC to take out Noke today. If RMC stumbles today they get the only at large bid. A RMC-VWC final gets both to the dance.

Oh GAVA, always so quick to think we are Macon haters - (well, I guess beachbum is on his own).  I just said Roanoke is playing well and that, like RMCAlum30 said, the Jackets are going to need to bring their A game.  Just like VWC will today and for the rest of the tournament.  One game at a time baby.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 24, 2007, 12:31:03 PM
EMUFAN,

Just for the record W&L was without (as in not at all) One of their starters who was injured I believe that last time the two teams played. Kara Nadeau was averaging 6 points and 5 boards per game as well as leading W&L in steals. "That needed to be noted"
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacbballfan on February 24, 2007, 12:31:50 PM
Oh yeah and Go Jackets!  :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2007, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 24, 2007, 12:31:50 PM
Oh yeah and Go Jackets!  :o

We've finally brought you to the dark side.... hahaha  :D Guaranteed you won't be saying this tomorrow during the championship   :o

Obviously my picks today are R-MC and VWC  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 01:04:05 PM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2007, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on February 24, 2007, 12:31:50 PM
Oh yeah and Go Jackets!  :o

We've finally brought you to the dark side.... hahaha  :

LOL :D :D :D  I thought VWC was the dark side !!! :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 24, 2007, 01:11:27 PM
A little nervous GAVA?   :D  I love it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 24, 2007, 01:11:27 PM
A little nervous GAVA?   :D  I love it.
Naw...just puzled RMCAlum30 would refer to the Jackets as " the dark side" , when we all know that side belongs to Marlin fans.....lol  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2007, 01:42:50 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 24, 2007, 01:11:27 PM
A little nervous GAVA?   :D  I love it.
Naw...just puzled RMCAlum30 would refer to the Jackets as " the dark side" , when we all know that side belongs to Marlin fans.....lol  ;D

Just a figure of speech.... although I'd wager that ALL ODAC teams have their "dark side" every now and then  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 24, 2007, 01:43:39 PM
Thanks for sharing that side note.

However, I would argue that it is hard to compare a first team all odac selection avg. 16 pts. and 5 reb.  to a player avg. 6 pts and 5 reb. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 24, 2007, 02:01:42 PM
Leavin' for Salem right now... so you won't see me on the board until late Sunday night... on that note...

LET'S GO JACKETS!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 07:43:25 PM
RMC wins, advances to finals. ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 08:59:05 PM



   

Quote from: GAVA on Today at 08:24:12 pm
I guess but it doesn't make much sense at face value...the # 1 seed RMC and the #2 seed VWC both lose points for having to beat the # 8 and# 7 seeds in the ODAC opening round.
    Since the # 3 and #4 seeds lost in the opening round, do the #1 and #2 seeds lose more points tonight in the semi-finals for beating the #5 and #6 teams ?? 

Quote from: Ralph Turner on Today at 08:40:19 pm

It should make sense because #7 and #8 are not very good at all.

I think that the Presidents and the AD's should look at the evdience and the impact of what playing #7 and #8 does to the chances of a really worthy #1 getting to host a playoff game or a #2 or #3 has of getting a Pool C at large bid.  The Conference might want to consider a 6-team tourney with a #3-#6/#4-#5 play-in as a home game at #3 and #4.  Almost always your #6 team should have an in-region record of .333.  In fact, W&L is 13-9, a 12 point victory for the #3 team over W&L at home.

The Top 4 from each division of the 15-team ASC go to the conference tourney.





Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 09:01:40 PM
  Should the ODAC look at reducing the tourney to 6 teams to give the league a better chance at getting at large bids for the NCAA tourney? Thoughts anyone? ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbingit on February 24, 2007, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 09:01:40 PM
  Should the ODAC look at reducing the tourney to 6 teams to give the league a better chance at getting at large bids for the NCAA tourney? Thoughts anyone? ???

Reducing the teams in the tournament is ridiculous. That is not going to help the ODAC get at large bids. Go out in the region and play the top teams out of conference and win. If the ODAC wants to do something to help, reduce the number of in conference games so the teams can play more out of conference games. I dont understand what GAVA is saying that you lose points for beating a #7 or #8. How strong was RMC or VWC's out of conference schedule?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 24, 2007, 11:04:31 PM
RMC vs VWC for the ODAC Championship!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 11:50:33 PM
Quote from: bbingit on February 24, 2007, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 09:01:40 PM
  Should the ODAC look at reducing the tourney to 6 teams to give the league a better chance at getting at large bids for the NCAA tourney? Thoughts anyone? ???

Reducing the teams in the tournament is ridiculous. That is not going to help the ODAC get at large bids. Go out in the region and play the top teams out of conference and win. If the ODAC wants to do something to help, reduce the number of in conference games so the teams can play more out of conference games. I dont understand what GAVA is saying that you lose points for beating a #7 or #8. How strong was RMC or VWC's out of conference schedule?
I know it is confusing and it has been a learning experience for me, but RMC and VWC wins Friday actually cost them points in the national rankings used to select at large bids because LC and GC were ranked so low. The advice Ralph Turner gave was to reduce the tourney to six teams. The ASC plays only 8 of their 15 teams for this purpose.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2007, 12:43:48 AM
They can go out and schedule top teams out of conference but as long as Hollins and Randolph drag the conference's numbers down the ODAC will have to battle perceptions that it's a weak league.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 25, 2007, 05:31:01 PM
Randolph-Macon 76
Virginia Wesleyan 65

The Marlins fought hard to cut a 21 point lead by Macon down to 4, but some bad turnovers and missed shots in the end let the Jackets pull away.  Nicole Thurston tried to carry the team on her back and just couldn't anybody else to help put points on the board.  Broke her career points record last night and today.  She will be sorely missed, as will Dove, Rector, and Churchill.  Macon just couldn't be stopped at certain points during the game - they made everything they shot.  It was so awesome to watch it on the internet! 

Fingers crossed for an at large bid for my Marlins  :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 25, 2007, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 25, 2007, 05:31:01 PM
Randolph-Macon 76
Virginia Wesleyan 65

The Marlins fought hard to cut a 21 point lead by Macon down to 4, but some bad turnovers and missed shots in the end let the Jackets pull away.  Nicole Thurston tried to carry the team on her back and just couldn't anybody else to help put points on the board.  Broke her career points record last night and today.  She will be sorely missed, as will Dove, Rector, and Churchill.  Macon just couldn't be stopped at certain points during the game - they made everything they shot.  It was so awesome to watch it on the internet! 

Fingers crossed for an at large bid for my Marlins  :-\

way to go jackets!!! ODAC champs three years in a row...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 25, 2007, 05:49:57 PM
What a dissapointment :-\

I have seen the Marlins struggle all year against the top teams (despite big wins in splitting with RMC and BC) and I think that will greatly hurt them in getting an at large bid. I was looking at all the standings and the south region standings, and I am not an expert, but I don't think VWC will get an at-large. Maybe somone who knows something can fill us in a little better.

Great job to RMC....I hope they represent the ODAC well in the NCAAs. What is wrong with Reisbeck? She was wearing a theraputic boot on her foot at the ODAC banquet, and then in the Lynchburg game went down in tears, and two minutes later was back in running up and down the court. Does she have a sprain or what is her injury? Will she be 100% for the NCAAs?

Well....good season Marlins....we can look at the bright side....at least we won some tournament games this year! I was hoping for two tournament championships for the Marlins this year...one from the men and one from the women's. Oh well...great season anyways...with the loss of some exceptional seniors...what does next year look like for you Marlin diehards?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 07:19:18 PM
Quote from: baller116 on February 25, 2007, 05:32:48 PM

way to go jackets!!! ODAC champs three years in a row...

I would never have guessed this prior to the season !!! ;D ;D ;D
And with the sophmores and freshmen leading the way, the next 3 years could be great also !!
Hoping VWC gets an at large bid, but as I noted yesterday, RMC's and VWC's national rankings actually dropped after the first round due to the weakness of the bottom seeds. Someone suggested that going to a 6 team tourney would help ODAC get more at large bids. The ASC lets just 8 of their 15 teams ( about half ) in the tourney to increase chances of at large bids.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 25, 2007, 07:35:39 PM
"Hoping VWC gets an at large bid, but as I noted yesterday, RMC's and VWC's national rankings actually dropped after the first round due to the weakness of the bottom seeds."

national rankings aren't released until the beginning of the week, so their ranking couldn't have dropped already. and if Lynchburg is a weak #8 seed, then was VWC weak as well? Macon won both those games by 11, and both games were relatively close with about 5 minutes left to play. So if Lynchburg was weak, then VWC was weak as well considering the games were both somewhat close.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 10:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner yesterday regarding ODAC tourney and at large bids..........


It should make sense because #7 and #8 were not very good at all.

I think that the Presidents and the AD's should look at the evdience and the impact of what playing #7 and #8 does to the chances of a really worthy #1 getting to host a playoff game or a #2 or #3 has of getting a Pool C at large bid.  The Conference might want to consider a 6-team tourney with a #3-#6/#4-#5 play-in as a home game at #3 and #4.  Almost always your #6 team should have an in-region record of .333.  In fact, W&L is 13-9, a 12 point victory for the #3 team over W&L at home.

The Top 4 from each division of the 15-team ASC go to the conference tourney.


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 25, 2007, 07:35:39 PM
"Hoping VWC gets an at large bid, but as I noted yesterday, RMC's and VWC's national rankings actually dropped after the first round due to the weakness of the bottom seeds."

national rankings aren't released until the beginning of the week, so their ranking couldn't have dropped already. and if Lynchburg is a weak #8 seed, then was VWC weak as well? Macon won both those games by 11, and both games were relatively close with about 5 minutes left to play. So if Lynchburg was weak, then VWC was weak as well considering the games were both somewhat close.

Rankings of Quality Wins Ratings are updated daily. VWC was ranked right below RMC in the South Region. LC and GC were not ranked in the top 200 nationally.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 10:22:10 PM
Todays Ratings:

RMC # 39 and #3 in South Region

VWC # 64    and # 7 in South Region

No other ODAC teams in top 100




      Re: Pool C
Today at 08:58:34 pm »   

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1   12.400   1   Bowdoin   0.960 (24-1)   26-1
2   11.731   1   Messiah   0.962 (25-1)   25-2
3   11.500   2   Emmanuel   0.962 (25-1)   27-1
4   11.462   2   Scranton   0.923 (24-2)   25-2
5   11.320   1   New York University   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
6   11.259   3   Southern Maine   0.926 (25-2)   25-2
7   11.192   2   Cortland State   0.923 (24-2)   25-2
8   11.037   4   Fitchburg State   0.926 (25-2)   25-2
9   11.000   3   Rochester   0.800 (20-5)   20-5
10   10.962   1   UW-Stout   0.846 (22-4)   23-5
11   10.905   1   DePauw   0.857 (18-3)   25-3
12   10.852   3   Gwynedd-Mercy   0.926 (25-2)   25-2
13   10.815   1   Mary Washington   0.926 (25-2)   26-2
14   10.773   2   Lake Forest   0.955 (21-1)   23-2
15   10.773   5   Williams   0.773 (17-5)   20-6
16   10.769   2   Kean   0.885 (23-3)   24-3
17   10.750   1   Luther   0.900 (18-2)   22-4
18   10.704   1   Howard Payne   0.963 (26-1)   27-1
19   10.667   4   St. Lawrence   0.917 (22-2)   24-3
20   10.654   6   Maine Maritime   0.885 (23-3)   25-3
21   10.643   3   Mount St. Mary   0.857 (24-4)   24-4
22   10.615   2   Wilmington   0.846 (22-4)   24-4
23   10.607   7   Maine-Farmington   0.893 (25-3)   25-3
24   10.571   3   Washington U.   0.810 (17-4)   20-5
25   10.560   3   Denison   0.880 (22-3)   24-4
26   10.550   4   Calvin   0.950 (19-1)   25-2
27   10.500   4   Concordia (Wis.)   0.909 (20-2)   23-3
28   10.500   4   McDaniel   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
29   10.478   8   Brandeis   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
30   10.462   9   Norwich   0.885 (23-3)   24-3
31   10.458   5   Manchester   0.833 (20-4)   21-6
32   10.440   5   Carroll   0.840 (21-4)   21-4
33   10.360   2   St. Benedict   0.875 (21-3)   22-5
34   10.348   6   Hope   0.870 (20-3)   24-3
35   10.333   3   Puget Sound   0.810 (17-4)   21-6
36   10.296   2   McMurry   0.852 (23-4)   24-4
37   10.278   4   George Fox   0.763 (14-4)   18-6
38   10.261   6   UW-Whitewater   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
39   10.192   3   Randolph-Macon   0.885 (23-3)   24-4
40   10.160   10   Salve Regina   0.840 (21-4)   22-6
41   10.136   5   Chapman   0.773 (17-5)   22-5
42   10.125   7   Transylvania   0.750 (18-6)   19-8
43   10.120   4   William Paterson   0.840 (21-4)   22-5
44   10.087   5   Medaille   0.913 (21-2)   23-4
45   10.083   7   Illinois Wesleyan   0.833 (20-4)   22-5
46   10.077   5   Dickinson   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
47   10.045   6   Simpson   0.773 (17-5)   21-6
48   10.038   11   Keene State   0.769 (20-6)   21-6
49   10.000   7   Gustavus Adolphus   0.846 (22-4)   22-5
50   10.000   4   Oglethorpe   0.800 (20-5)   21-7
51   10.000   6   Oswego State   0.704 (19-8)   19-8
52   9.920   12   Tufts   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
53   9.913   8   Chicago   0.696 (16-7)   18-7
54   9.864   9   Maryville (Mo.)   0.864 (19-3)   22-5
55   9.815   8   Capital   0.741 (20-7)   20-7
56   9.808   6   Albright   0.654 (17-9)   17-9
57   9.773   10   Wheaton (Ill.)   0.727 (16-6)   19-7
58   9.760   7   Brockport State   0.720 (18-7)   20-7
59   9.741   13   Colby-Sawyer   0.815 (22-5)   22-5
60   9.739   9   Thomas More   0.826 (19-4)   22-4
61   9.727   11   Millikin   0.773 (17-5)   20-6
62   9.727   5   East Texas Baptist   0.818 (18-4)   22-5
63   9.720   6   Hardin-Simmons   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
64   9.680   7   Virginia Wesleyan   0.760 (19-6)   21-7
65   9.652   12   UW-Eau Claire   0.696 (16-7)   19-9
66   9.640   7   Muhlenberg   0.720 (18-7)   19-7
67   9.615   8   Ferrum   0.769 (20-6)   21-7
68   9.609   9   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.826 (19-4)   23-5
69   9.609   8   Hamilton   0.696 (16-7)   19-7
70   9.583   10   Westminster (Pa.)   0.750 (18-6)   22-6
71   9.542   13   UW-Stevens Point   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
72   9.500   11   Rose-Hulman   0.773 (17-5)   21-5
73   9.500   14   Bates   0.583 (14-10)   15-10
74   9.480   5   Baruch   0.720 (18-7)   20-8
75   9.407   6   Stevens   0.778 (21-6)   21-6
76   9.385   8   King's   0.692 (18-8)   19-8
77   9.385   15   Mount Holyoke   0.731 (19-7)   21-7
78   9.348   10   Piedmont   0.739 (17-6)   18-7
79   9.321   9   Ursinus   0.679 (19-9)   19-9
80   9.320   12   Baldwin-Wallace   0.720 (18-7)   19-7
81   9.320   16   Eastern Connecticut   0.640 (16-9)   16-11
82   9.318   9   RPI   0.636 (14-8)   15-10
83   9.304   10   Keuka   0.727 (16-6)   18-7
84   9.250   8   La Verne   0.750 (15-5)   19-6
85   9.240   17   Suffolk   0.720 (18-7)   18-9
86   9.231   11   Ithaca   0.615 (16-10)   16-11
87   9.222   14   Benedictine   0.704 (19-8)   20-8
88   9.222   7   York (Pa.)   0.667 (18-9)   18-9
89   9.200   8   SUNY-Farmingdale   0.720 (18-7)   19-7
90   9.192   13   Penn State-Behrend   0.808 (21-5)   21-5
91   9.192   14   Allegheny   0.692 (18-8)   19-8
92   9.185   18   Endicott   0.667 (18-9)   18-9
93   9.167   11   Christopher Newport   0.708 (17-7)   20-8
94   9.160   15   Ohio Northern   0.640 (16-9)   17-10
95   9.148   9   Carleton   0.704 (19-8)   19-8
96   9.143   12   Elmira   0.714 (15-6)   21-6
97   9.130   12   Trinity (Texas)   0.652 (15-8)   17-8
98   9.120   9   Lehman   0.680 (17-8)   19-9
99   9.115   10   Moravian   0.577 (15-11)   16-11
100   9.091   10   Minnesota-Morris   0.833 (10-2)   15-12
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 10:29:15 PM
  Scottie:

291   6.318   36   Lynchburg   0.318 (7-15)   7-19
  In today's rankings LC is  #291 nationally and  #36 in the South Region.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 10:46:49 PM
Looks like ODAC does not get an at large bid, but RMC gets a first round home game........not positive.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 10:54:49 PM
VWC started the tourney ranked #5 in the South, dropped to #9 after the win over GC, climbed back to #5 after beating W&L, and finished # 7.
They were on the bubble for an at large bid and probably would have gotten in if they hadn't played GC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 26, 2007, 07:28:38 AM
They climbed back up to 5 so it didnt matter. Va wesleyan and Guilford mens teams had to pay "weak" teams during the season and in the conference tournament, they both got in the tournament and the mens tournament has 5 less bids than the women's. Doesnt look like playing "weak" teams hurts that much! Besides, most people won't take into consideration first round tournament games unless one of the top teams loses to a team that they shouldn't - like guilford losing to bridgewater for the men, for example. The womens teams get 5 non-conference games to play some fo the top teams in the country to improve their stock. If they don't do it they can only blame themselves, not the ODAC, for weaking their resume. All the teams know going in that they ahve to play the same 10 teams in-conference every year, they can schedule a tough non-conference schedule to make up for playing some of the weaker teams in-conference. Perhaps VWC would ahve gotten in if they had played someone good instead of St. Olaf and Cal St. East Bay, both weak teams.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 26, 2007, 08:06:08 AM
Congrats to the Jackets on the 3-peat... such a great game yesterday! I have to give it to Virginia Wesleyan... they didn't leave anything out on the court --- the run they made at the end of the game made me nervous, and made me flash back to '05 and the loss to EMU in the championship, but R-MC pulled out the W like they usually do :) That's what good conditioning and teamwork will do for you at the end of the season!
Shaffer with MVP honors and Hiltunen and Riesbeck rounding out the all tourney team for R-MC... although I thought Morgan and Ariail were also deserving of all tournament team! They both played OUTSTANDING throughout the entire tournament  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 26, 2007, 09:16:22 AM
Congrats to R-MC's ODAC title and hosting the first and second round of the NCAA tournament!

I'll be cheering for you all!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 26, 2007, 09:28:38 AM
I'm disappointed VWC didn't get a bid.  They are a good, tough team and if given the chance would have represented our conference well.  

Jackets host 1st and 2nd round games!!  Anybody know anything about Piedmont?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 26, 2007, 09:33:48 AM
Thanks VWC for a great year. You all should be very proud of your season. To the four seniors, thanks for the 4 years. It has been a great ride. From 5-20 freshman year to 21-7 senior year. You all will be greatly missed.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 26, 2007, 09:58:19 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 26, 2007, 07:28:38 AM
They climbed back up to 5 so it didnt matter. Va wesleyan and Guilford mens teams had to pay "weak" teams during the season and in the conference tournament, they both got in the tournament and the mens tournament has 5 less bids than the women's. Doesnt look like playing "weak" teams hurts that much! Besides, most people won't take into consideration first round tournament games unless one of the top teams loses to a team that they shouldn't - like guilford losing to bridgewater for the men, for example. The womens teams get 5 non-conference games to play some fo the top teams in the country to improve their stock. If they don't do it they can only blame themselves, not the ODAC, for weaking their resume. All the teams know going in that they ahve to play the same 10 teams in-conference every year, they can schedule a tough non-conference schedule to make up for playing some of the weaker teams in-conference. Perhaps VWC would ahve gotten in if they had played someone good instead of St. Olaf and Cal St. East Bay, both weak teams.

I think we need to use ASC's strategy and limit the tourney to the top half of the league to assure all participants have a winning record. It works for them. They got an at large bid, the ODAC didn't.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on February 26, 2007, 10:21:22 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 26, 2007, 09:28:38 AM
I'm disappointed VWC didn't get a bid.  They are a good, tough team and if given the chance would have represented our conference well.  

Jackets host 1st and 2nd round games!!  Anybody know anything about Piedmont?

I'm disappointed as well... VWC could have done really well in NCAA's.

As for Piedmont... back on Jan. 28th they beat Roanoke in OT, 73-67... and on the 29th they beat Hollins 87-33.

Looks like they've got a couple of good players...

Nikki Sosebee (5'10" Jr. Forward) -- 11.5 ppg, 8.1 rpg
Beth Adcock (5'7" So. Guard) -- 10.8 ppg, 3.2 apg
Kayla Duncan (6'0" So. Forward) -- 8.6 ppg, 6 rpg

In the game against Roanoke, Duncan had 21 points 11 rebounds... Adcock with 15 points 9 rebounds... and Sarah Lane (5'8" Jr. Guard) had 17 points 10 rebounds.

Sosebee, Adcock, and Duncan have started the most games, along with Yetta Bailey (5'8" Jr. Guard) and Sheena Trimiar (5'7" Jr. Guard).

Looks like there are about nine players that get decent time and stats... but I'd say the six specific players I've mentioned have done the most this season.

I think Ariail will be the "not so secret" weapon for R-MC -- doesn't look like Piedmont has a player that will be able to match up with her...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on February 26, 2007, 11:42:56 AM
Richmond Times-Dispatch article on the game, and a few events leading up to it.


http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149193390931&path=%21sports&s=1045855934844
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 26, 2007, 03:39:22 PM
From that article:

"With the Marlins within striking distance, LaHaye said the Yellow Jackets only had to remember how they were laughed at after losing at Virginia Wesleyan on Dec. 6.

"We remember sitting in the Virginia Wesleyan locker room, and they were cheering and running up and down the hallways," LaHaye said. "I just looked at my very hurting team and said to them, 'they are cheering now, but let's see who's cheering at the end of the season.'"

Guess being happy to beat a team who they NEVER did in four+ years is not kosher with Lahaye.  But hey, I guess she'll say whatever it takes for them to come out and win their third straight ODAC tournament.  I really don't know who was "laughing" at her team for losing to the first/second place team all year (VWC).  I might be a little oversensitive to it, but that comment really bothers me.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 26, 2007, 05:10:25 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 26, 2007, 03:39:22 PM
From that article:

"With the Marlins within striking distance, LaHaye said the Yellow Jackets only had to remember how they were laughed at after losing at Virginia Wesleyan on Dec. 6.

"We remember sitting in the Virginia Wesleyan locker room, and they were cheering and running up and down the hallways," LaHaye said. "I just looked at my very hurting team and said to them, 'they are cheering now, but let's see who's cheering at the end of the season.'"

Guess being happy to beat a team who they NEVER did in four+ years is not kosher with Lahaye.  But hey, I guess she'll say whatever it takes for them to come out and win their third straight ODAC tournament.  I really don't know who was "laughing" at her team for losing to the first/second place team all year (VWC).  I might be a little oversensitive to it, but that comment really bothers me.



They were most definitly "laughed" at.... Even though VWC was ranked above them, because of the previous two years in which RMC had done so well it still was a little surprising for VWC to get the win even if it took 4 years. I think the win got to their heads too much which is maybe why they were running up and down the halls cheering... you would never see RMC doing that after a victory... even when they beat scranton two years ago to make it to the national championship, you save it for the locker room to celebrate. I think instead of criticsizing LaHaye's statement, we should celebrate RMC's victory and hope that they represent the ODAC well in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 26, 2007, 05:26:49 PM
Don't get me wrong - I DO hope that they play well and represent the ODAC well.  I'm always cheering for whoever makes it to the big dance.  That comment just struck me wrong when I read it.  I'm sure R-MC has a lot of class when they win - I mean let's face it, that's all they do, so they have practice at it!  I just know what a big thing it was to win for VWC when they have completely turned around their team from 4 years ago - and those locker rooms are right next to each other with thin walls.  I'm sure they weren't being obnoxious about it...just happy and showing their emotions.  I don't think that's such a bad thing.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 26, 2007, 08:30:04 PM
I, also, question the sportsmanship of the Marlin players and fans.  At the ODAC tournament, Marlin fans (mens basketball players included) sat on the opposing side, harrassing the other teams players and fans.  The Marlin women were constantly yelling from the bench, and were not very gracious winners - from what I could see - very childish behavior.  You would think the VWC coach would encourage better sportsmanship.  The Marlins are a very talented group of players who have earned their place in the sun.  However, Randolph Macon is a very classy act in comparison.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odac fan 4 life on February 26, 2007, 09:35:38 PM
I was dissapointed with our men's team as I sat near them at the game and they acted like middle school boys yelling and being inappropiate, as well as some of the fans...however...I think anywhere you go you will find that. I was also a little dissapointed with some of the RMC fans...I attended the Lynchburg vs. RMC game, and there were many times throughout the game that the RMC fans (adults) were signaling out players and yelling at them, and they yelled at Coach Tobey on numerous occasions.

I also ran into some very gracious RMC fans who were enjoyable to talk to, and I know many Marlins fans who are top notch people and class acts.

I think, as with any sport and any school, there are going to be very annoying fans who act immature, and there will be very classy fans who show good sportsmanship.

The only thing I was dissapointed with was our men's team as I exected them to act a little more their age....as for our girls' team....I know that at the end it might have seemed they acted unclassy, but I think it is just because they wanted it sooo badly that they were extremely dissapointed, I am not sure they meant any disrespect.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 26, 2007, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: odac fan 4 life on February 26, 2007, 09:35:38 PM
I was dissapointed with our men's team as I sat near them at the game and they acted like middle school boys yelling and being inappropiate, as well as some of the fans...however...I think anywhere you go you will find that.

You shouldn't find that from returning national champions at all.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 27, 2007, 12:51:31 AM
I think, as with any sport and any school, there are going to be very annoying fans who act immature, and there will be very classy fans who show good sportsmanship.




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Oh yeah, you will find it anywhere and everywhere.  It's a shame that the men had to act that way during the tourney, but I've been to plenty games where the student sections which have included members of the men's team have acted in the same exact way- including R-MC. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 27, 2007, 03:43:23 AM
Anyway, moving past all that, I'm still rooting for R-MC.  I finally got to see them play watching the championship game on the internet Sunday.  Molly Arial is a rockstar for being only a freshman.  She's very smooth and if she gets the ball down low with anyone smaller guarding her (which the Piedmont girls will be) she's good for two.  And I thought Kristen Morgan was a real presence on the floor for Macon as well. Looks like Piedmont is a bit vulnerable (like some teams in the ODAC), going into OT against Roanoke this season.  The Jackets should take care of business.  Anyone know who they'd get the second round?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 27, 2007, 06:57:36 AM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 27, 2007, 03:43:23 AM
  The Jackets should take care of business.  Anyone know who they'd get the second round?


My guess, McDaniel, rated in top 20. Should be a real test.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 27, 2007, 07:06:04 AM
Any update on the Marlin player who went down late in the game Sunday...I think it was Michele Dove? I hope she's OK. Wasn't sure if was knee injury or not, but would be unfortunate if it was serious. 

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 27, 2007, 07:06:16 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/womensrpi07.htm

The power ranking to be used next year will be even tougher on the ODAC.
Looks like no more at large bids in our future unless radical changes made, such as playing each league member once and scheduling another 10 nonconference games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 27, 2007, 07:09:45 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 27, 2007, 07:06:16 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/womensrpi07.htm

The power ranking to be used next year will be even tougher on the ODAC.
Looks like no more at large bids in our future unless radical changes made, such as playing each league member once and scheduling another 10 nonconference games.
Under next year's rankings RMC finished 66 instead of 39, and VWC finishes 87 instead of 64. >:(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 27, 2007, 07:19:13 AM
Are they for sure going to this rating system next year?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 27, 2007, 07:21:59 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 27, 2007, 07:06:16 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/womensrpi07.htm

The power ranking to be used next year will be even tougher on the ODAC.
Looks like no more at large bids in our future unless radical changes made, such as playing each league member once and scheduling another 10 nonconference games.

Do you have any idea how incredibly hard it would be to schedule FIFTEEN non-conference games??? A team would practically ahve to play 15 games before the January, because once January rolls around nearly every school is playing all conference games. A better solution would be to break into six team divisions by adding another school (which is more likely than not to happen in the near future) and play the teams in your division twice and the teams in the other division once, which would give you sixteen games (10 games in division, 6 out of division). Then all you have to do is schedule four more non-conference games, which can be easily handled.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 27, 2007, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 27, 2007, 07:19:13 AM
Are they for sure going to this rating system next year?

  pretty sure
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on February 27, 2007, 12:06:57 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 27, 2007, 07:21:59 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 27, 2007, 07:06:16 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/womensrpi07.htm

The power ranking to be used next year will be even tougher on the ODAC.
Looks like no more at large bids in our future unless radical changes made, such as playing each league member once and scheduling another 10 nonconference games.

Do you have any idea how incredibly hard it would be to schedule FIFTEEN non-conference games??? A team would practically ahve to play 15 games before the January, because once January rolls around nearly every school is playing all conference games. A better solution would be to break into six team divisions by adding another school (which is more likely than not to happen in the near future) and play the teams in your division twice and the teams in the other division once, which would give you sixteen games (10 games in division, 6 out of division). Then all you have to do is schedule four more non-conference games, which can be easily handled.

The problem with ODAC is we have some very weak teams. You lose ranking when you play them, even when you win. 2 divisions might work if the stronger teams were in one division, and the weaker teams in the other.  6 games against Hollins, RMWC and E&H kills your power rating.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 27, 2007, 02:09:46 PM
Here's waht I would do with the two division format:

Each team would be ranked 1-12 based on their overall record in ODAC play the apst 4 years, and after 4 years the divisions would be realigned based on each team's record over the past 4 years. so every 4 years the divisions would change. and here is how the two divisions would align

Division A gets teams seeded 1, 4, 5, 8, 9, and 12
Division B gets teams seeded 2, 3, 6, 7, 10, and 11

I think it would be unfair to put the bottom 6 teams in one division and the upper 6 in the other. That would make it a lot harder on the top 6 and a lot easier on the bottom 6. It would only PENALIZE a team for doing well because then they have to face all the good and better teams twice while the only get to face the easier opponents once. Sure it helps with strength of schedule and rpi and all that stuff if you are in the top 6 division, but none of that will matter when you could have a lot more losses than one of the teams in the lower 6 division. Imagine if Lynchburg would have had to play GC, E&H, RMWC, and HU twice this year, and only the other 6 once. They would have been 7-7 based on the results of their past season. Now imagine if W&L would have had to play in the top 6 division, they would have finished, based on the seasons results either 6-9 or 7-8 (they split with GC). Now who was the better team this year, W&L or LC? Records in real life say W&L, records based on your divisional split say LC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 27, 2007, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: baller116 on February 26, 2007, 05:10:25 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 26, 2007, 03:39:22 PM
From that article:

"With the Marlins within striking distance, LaHaye said the Yellow Jackets only had to remember how they were laughed at after losing at Virginia Wesleyan on Dec. 6.

"We remember sitting in the Virginia Wesleyan locker room, and they were cheering and running up and down the hallways," LaHaye said. "I just looked at my very hurting team and said to them, 'they are cheering now, but let's see who's cheering at the end of the season.'"

Guess being happy to beat a team who they NEVER did in four+ years is not kosher with Lahaye.  But hey, I guess she'll say whatever it takes for them to come out and win their third straight ODAC tournament.  I really don't know who was "laughing" at her team for losing to the first/second place team all year (VWC).  I might be a little oversensitive to it, but that comment really bothers me.



They were most definitly "laughed" at.... Even though VWC was ranked above them, because of the previous two years in which RMC had done so well it still was a little surprising for VWC to get the win even if it took 4 years. I think the win got to their heads too much which is maybe why they were running up and down the halls cheering... you would never see RMC doing that after a victory... even when they beat scranton two years ago to make it to the national championship, you save it for the locker room to celebrate. I think instead of criticsizing LaHaye's statement, we should celebrate RMC's victory and hope that they represent the ODAC well in the NCAA's.

I am happy for RMC and hope they represent the ODAC well. Perhaps the RMC coach did not mean anything but I thought her comments were childish. VWC was not making fun of RMC when they beat them. They were celebrating. These kids had been beaten by RMC badly for 4 straight years. Even last year they got pounded. LaHaye could have chosen some better words.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: huskiect on February 27, 2007, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 26, 2007, 08:30:04 PM
I, also, question the sportsmanship of the Marlin players and fans.  At the ODAC tournament, Marlin fans (mens basketball players included) sat on the opposing side, harrassing the other teams players and fans.  The Marlin women were constantly yelling from the bench, and were not very gracious winners - from what I could see - very childish behavior.  You would think the VWC coach would encourage better sportsmanship.  The Marlins are a very talented group of players who have earned their place in the sun.  However, Randolph Macon is a very classy act in comparison.
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 26, 2007, 08:30:04 PM
I, also, question the sportsmanship of the Marlin players and fans.  At the ODAC tournament, Marlin fans (mens basketball players included) sat on the opposing side, harrassing the other teams players and fans.  The Marlin women were constantly yelling from the bench, and were not very gracious winners - from what I could see - very childish behavior.  You would think the VWC coach would encourage better sportsmanship.  The Marlins are a very talented group of players who have earned their place in the sun.  However, Randolph Macon is a very classy act in comparison.

What tournament were you at?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 27, 2007, 06:17:29 PM
The ODAC tournament - almost all games!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 27, 2007, 07:24:17 PM
agreed....this hasnt been the first year that VWC has been like this either and I know from experience playing them in the past. I am sure from time to time teams can start to demonstrate unsportsmanlike behavior but when it is repetitive several years running, then something needs to change. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on February 27, 2007, 07:43:23 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 01, 2006, 10:19:11 AM
I know you guys must be getting sick of seeing us win at everything, and we understand, but you should be getting used to it by now so it's time to just start admitting to yourself that we have better athletes and better coaches and that is why we win. I know women's basketball is one of the few remaining sports we don't completely dominate in year in and year out but it must scare the stuff out of you that a team that won only 5 games just 3 years ago was preseason picked 2nd in the league.


I have to say.....after seeing EMU, BC, and W&L all go down in both the men's and women's tournaments (the teams I tend to pull for) I was unsure of who to cheer for....then I sat with a VWC fan at the girls' first round game and they assured me both the guys and the girls were going to be #1 this year....and that we better get used to seeing VWC as the #1 teams in basketball....I forgot you had said that vwcbeachbum and I thought to myself it couldn't have been you....or could it? did you talk to an older gentleman with a green flannel shirt and say something along these premises? That sure would be crazy if I sat beside you for that game :o


and by the way...after sitting with that fan I decided since VWC was so good I knew who to cheer for...the underdogs, which meant every team other then the mighty marlins ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 28, 2007, 05:05:02 AM
Doesn't seem like anybody ever started talking about how "unclassy" VWC teams were until we actually starting pulling towards the top of the league in pretty much every sport. ( VWC has finished #1 in the Virginia College Sports Information Directors All-Sports survey with a school record winning percentage of 71% or higher for the past two or so years for all DI, DII and DIII schools  ;D. )  I don't know why our school is plagued with these comments, because our athletes are top notch and most extremely gracious.   Like EVERY school, there are bad moments (i.e. some of the men's comments during the tourney) but that most certainly doesn't speak of the whole team, school, etc.  If having emotion and passion towards continuing to win is such an awful thing, then it wouldn't be competitive college basketball with a lot of effort and heart behind it. 

I just had to say something because it's very hard to sit back and let people make Virginia Wesleyan as a whole seem like such an "unclassy" act.   Stop picking on my fish!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 28, 2007, 05:10:40 AM
Quote from: valleybballfan on February 27, 2007, 07:43:23 PM
Quote from: vwcbeachbum on December 01, 2006, 10:19:11 AM
I know you guys must be getting sick of seeing us win at everything, and we understand, but you should be getting used to it by now so it's time to just start admitting to yourself that we have better athletes and better coaches and that is why we win. I know women's basketball is one of the few remaining sports we don't completely dominate in year in and year out but it must scare the stuff out of you that a team that won only 5 games just 3 years ago was preseason picked 2nd in the league.


I have to say.....after seeing EMU, BC, and W&L all go down in both the men's and women's tournaments (the teams I tend to pull for) I was unsure of who to cheer for....then I sat with a VWC fan at the girls' first round game and they assured me both the guys and the girls were going to be #1 this year....and that we better get used to seeing VWC as the #1 teams in basketball....I forgot you had said that vwcbeachbum and I thought to myself it couldn't have been you....or could it? did you talk to an older gentleman with a green flannel shirt and say something along these premises? That sure would be crazy if I sat beside you for that game :o


and by the way...after sitting with that fan I decided since VWC was so good I knew who to cheer for...the underdogs, which meant every team other then the mighty marlins ;D


I wonder how many comments like these come HOURLY from die hard fans from the ODAC's oldest and finest - R-MC, Bridgewater, Roanoke, etc...and as soon as VWC starts getting better and fans start getting excited, people just can't take it.  Pretty childish.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on February 28, 2007, 07:11:38 AM
Blah, blah,blah, blah...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 28, 2007, 08:34:55 AM
Marlin fans,

I think it may be pretty simple.  Programs that aren't used to winning, sometimes don't know how to win.

It's not a knock to your school or any particular program ... but when players (and coaches) haven't been accustomed to winning, they don't know how to control their emotions (be it by running around the field/court screaming and/or mouthing off to the opponent and opposing fans).

Congrats on being No. 1 in all sports ... but remember what someone once said;

"It's lonely at the top."

Because you're in that position (being No. 1), it's natural to think that fans of the "lesser" schools are taking undeserving shots at a program.  Simply be aware those "shots" may have some truth to it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on February 28, 2007, 11:45:22 AM
Last comment on the subject:  I'm excited for VWC to prove you wrong.  I think you've got the complete wrong impression, and I stick to my guns that our school and athletes and COACHES (don't know where that one came from) are good people who just want to do well and have a great amount of pride about their school...just like all of you.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 28, 2007, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: Old School Marlin on February 28, 2007, 05:05:02 AM
Doesn't seem like anybody ever started talking about how "unclassy" VWC teams were until we actually starting pulling towards the top of the league in pretty much every sport.

No, they were just as bad two years ago when they didn't win either. And if VWC is so great like you so assertively say, why didnt they take home an ODAC championship on the mens or womens side this year? You know that saying about karma.. it really applies here. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: waterlucy on February 28, 2007, 12:23:19 PM
Marlins:  I don't believe people were calling Bridgewater players "unclassy" or "poor sports" last year.  The Eagles seem to win and lose with a fair amount of grace.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on February 28, 2007, 09:59:22 PM
starting a new topic... whos able to go watch RMC play this weekend?? And can we expect the same crowd thats been in Crenshaw in the past?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on February 28, 2007, 10:11:53 PM
I will be one of 1,000+ fans at RMC on Friday. The excitement in the local community continues even with the graduation of You Know Who last year.  In fact She'll be in the crowd with the rest of the rabid students, parents, friends and locals who will "swarm" Crenshaw.  I expect the Jackets to make the rest of the ODAC proud this weekend ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 01, 2007, 07:25:35 AM
I was one of a few non-parent fans to travel to Tacoma last year to watch them play in sectionals.  I certainly won't miss a home game! 

Go Jackets!!!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 02, 2007, 07:42:11 AM
Quote from: baller116 on February 28, 2007, 09:59:22 PM
starting a new topic... whos able to go watch RMC play this weekend?? And can we expect the same crowd thats been in Crenshaw in the past?

Quote from: odacfan99 on February 28, 2007, 10:11:53 PM
I will be one of 1,000+ fans at RMC on Friday. The excitement in the local community continues even with the graduation of You Know Who last year.  In fact She'll be in the crowd with the rest of the rabid students, parents, friends and locals who will "swarm" Crenshaw.  I expect the Jackets to make the rest of the ODAC proud this weekend ;D

Quote from: hoopstermom on March 01, 2007, 07:25:35 AM
I was one of a few non-parent fans to travel to Tacoma last year to watch them play in sectionals.  I certainly won't miss a home game! 

Go Jackets!!!

Won't be able to make the Friday game because of work... but I'll definitely be there on Saturday!!! (after I root for my Jackets at the men's lacrosse game up at Mary Wash, of course ;D)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 02, 2007, 07:43:46 AM
Quote from: RMCAlum30 on March 02, 2007, 07:42:11 AM
Quote from: baller116 on February 28, 2007, 09:59:22 PM
starting a new topic... whos able to go watch RMC play this weekend?? And can we expect the same crowd thats been in Crenshaw in the past?

Quote from: odacfan99 on February 28, 2007, 10:11:53 PM
I will be one of 1,000+ fans at RMC on Friday. The excitement in the local community continues even with the graduation of You Know Who last year.  In fact She'll be in the crowd with the rest of the rabid students, parents, friends and locals who will "swarm" Crenshaw.  I expect the Jackets to make the rest of the ODAC proud this weekend ;D

Quote from: hoopstermom on March 01, 2007, 07:25:35 AM
I was one of a few non-parent fans to travel to Tacoma last year to watch them play in sectionals.  I certainly won't miss a home game! 

Go Jackets!!!

Won't be able to make the Friday game because of work... but I'll definitely be there on Saturday!!! (after I root for my Jackets at the men's lacrosse game up at Mary Wash, of course ;D)

P.S. -- I'm thinking positive when I predict R-MC will have a game on Saturday... I'm *not* being cocky!!!  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 02, 2007, 08:09:10 PM
Half time score... 36-30... Piedmont with the lead...  :(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 02, 2007, 08:19:38 PM
The webcast is very muffled so I could be wrong... but I think they said with 14:59 left, the score is 45-44... JACKETS!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 02, 2007, 08:21:30 PM
Yep 47-44 Jackets....Go RMC!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 02, 2007, 08:25:26 PM
RMC up 10..Piedmont time out!!!!!!!!!!!  Jackets are playing well now!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 02, 2007, 08:30:21 PM
RMC up 5 with 9 minutes left
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 02, 2007, 08:36:44 PM
Rip... keep those updates comin'... I must be getting old, because I can hardly understand what they're saying!!!  :o
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 02, 2007, 08:40:27 PM
Yeah I ran the kids out of the room so I can hear!!  RMC is up 7 with 3 minutes left.  Jackets are playing great D!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 02, 2007, 08:41:51 PM
70-61 RMC..if we can just hit free throws now, it's over
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 02, 2007, 08:43:52 PM
74-61 RMC,  2 minutes left
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 02, 2007, 08:47:51 PM
Shaffer with 29... now THAT I heard  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rip08 on March 02, 2007, 08:49:20 PM
Yep, Salem Shaffer 29 points-  what a night, she played a helluva game.  83-67 with 35 seconds left.  RMC lives to play tomorrow night
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 02, 2007, 08:55:46 PM
Yessssssssssss Jackets with the win!!! I'll be at the game tomorrow  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ihavenolife on March 02, 2007, 11:11:57 PM
Any word on why Ariail didn't play for R-MC Friday night?  Just curious.

Glad the Yellow Jackets got the "W".  What an incredible season!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on March 02, 2007, 11:26:54 PM
Not sure what happened to Ariail but I understand she is out tomorrow as well ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ihavenolife on March 02, 2007, 11:37:53 PM
That's too bad about Molly . . . I hope the Yellow Jackets can overcome that.  I'm a believer!

RMCAlum30 -- y'all better make sure the house is rocking!  I hope someone bought up a bunch of student tickets.  There is nothing like a packed Crenshaw.

GO JACKETS!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 03, 2007, 07:33:06 AM
Quote from: odacfan99 on March 02, 2007, 11:26:54 PM
Not sure what happened to Ariail but I understand she is out tomorrow as well ???

Molly underwent emergency appendectomy :(,  was just released from hospital yesterday afternoon, doing fine :),  but unable to play  :'(.  She arrived at the gym right before the game to cheer on her teammates.  I think it took them the 1st half to get in gear and adjust to her playing absence. 

I think the place will be packed tonight for sure.  The place came alive when they came back in the 2nd half last night to take the lead and then close things out.  The final score really does not reflect how close that game was.  Piedmont was within 3 with 4 minutes to go still.  As in the ODAC finals, made free throws sealed the win.

It will take Salem or someone else to step up again each game....which is certainly doable...to keep them going.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 03, 2007, 07:58:53 AM
Congrats to the Jackets on their win!

The ODAC men went 3-0 last night as well ... so a very good showing for our conference!

Good luck today, R-MC.  Make us proud!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: baller116 on March 03, 2007, 01:28:51 PM
Congrats to the Jackets!! Looking at the box score, it amazes me how 4 of the starters played 34+ minutes last night, probaly due to Arial being out... LaHaye must of done a heck of a job conditioning them to get ready for this.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 03, 2007, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: ihavenolife on March 02, 2007, 11:37:53 PM
That's too bad about Molly . . . I hope the Yellow Jackets can overcome that.  I'm a believer!

RMCAlum30 -- y'all better make sure the house is rocking!  I hope someone bought up a bunch of student tickets.  There is nothing like a packed Crenshaw.

GO JACKETS!

Will do... got to R-MC this afternoon for the men's lax game... now it's time for some bball  ;D LET'S GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ihavenolife on March 04, 2007, 10:23:47 AM
Way to go R-MC!  Sweet Sixteen for a third straight year.  The character and heart of this team must be incredible.  Of course, that is no different from any of Carroll LaHaye's teams!

GOOD LUCK YELLOW JACKETS!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketlawyer on March 05, 2007, 09:03:57 AM
Randolph-Macon women head to New York for their next game.  Hope the R-M faithful go as well.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149193524089&path=%21sports&s=1045855934844
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 05, 2007, 11:13:07 AM
Quote from: Jacketlawyer on March 05, 2007, 09:03:57 AM
Randolph-Macon women head to New York for their next game.  Hope the R-M faithful go as well.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149193524089&path=%21sports&s=1045855934844

Can't make it on Friday because of work... but I'll be there for the Elite 8!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 05, 2007, 11:16:44 AM
link edited to save space (http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&%09s=1045855935456&c=MGArticle&cid=1149193514594&path=%21sports%21women)

Article from the TD about the win on Saturday  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 05, 2007, 01:02:04 PM
ARRRGHHH, I can't make the trip this weekend to NYC :( due to prior family obligations.  I"ll have to settle for participating via internet.

HOpe the games will be broadcast in some form.  If anyone knows what that may be, please post!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 02:38:56 PM
This is our hope. We'll let people know.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 09, 2007, 05:42:21 PM
I NEED AN UPDATE FOR THE R-MC GAME!!!! Is anyone able to get the internet broadcast?? Mine is all choppy or just not there at all... does anyone know what is going on??  ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:02:11 PM
45-39 Kean 13:40 remaining in second half
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:05:07 PM
47-44 Kean
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:11:25 PM
49-48 Kean under 9 minutes
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:14:42 PM
50-49 RMC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: roaring0506 on March 09, 2007, 06:16:40 PM
How much time left?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:18:26 PM


52-51 RMC under 4 minutes
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:20:22 PM
57-52 kean
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:21:39 PM
57-54
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:23:01 PM
2 minutes left   59-56 kean
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:23:21 PM
timeout
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:25:31 PM
61-58 kean
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:26:11 PM
63-60 kean
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:26:42 PM
foul 42.9 seconds remaining kean 1 & 1
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:27:16 PM
65-60 kean
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:27:43 PM
37 seconds
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:28:35 PM
foul kean at the line 37 seconds  timeout RMC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:29:46 PM
67-60
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: chaz_robertson on March 09, 2007, 06:31:10 PM
68-60 final  kean
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 09, 2007, 09:49:46 PM
Great season ladies !!!!! :) :) :) Anyone know if Molly played tonight? Coach had her listed as very iffy in the morning paper.

3rd year in a row deep in the tourney. More equally good years await.
Guess RMC will be back as preseason conference pick next year. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 10, 2007, 06:51:37 AM
The Yellow Jackets, who have advanced to three straight Sweet Sixteens, were led by Riesbeck, who had game-highs of 23 points, 13 rebounds and six blocks. Senior guards Salem Shaffer (Hampton, Va.) and Kristen Morgan (Brigantine, N.J.) closed out their collegiate careers with 14 points and 11 points, respectively. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Old School Marlin on March 10, 2007, 01:26:25 PM
Great season Jackets - let's hope more ODAC teams are there next year!  ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2007, 09:11:18 AM
Unfortunately with the ODAC's ranking being so low I think we may go a few years with no at large bids. :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: GAVA on March 11, 2007, 09:11:18 AM
Unfortunately with the ODAC's ranking being so low I think we may go a few years with no at large bids. :-\
Please remember that "ranking" has no impact on at-large bids.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 11, 2007, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: GAVA on March 11, 2007, 09:11:18 AM
Unfortunately with the ODAC's ranking being so low I think we may go a few years with no at large bids. :-\
Please remember that "ranking" has no impact on at-large bids.

Sorry Ralph.  :) I might have used the wrong terminology. I thought it was the ODAC's ranking as a " weak conference" that was a major factor in VWC not getting an at large bid. Please clarify again. Thanks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 09:29:57 PM
Quote from: GAVA on March 11, 2007, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: GAVA on March 11, 2007, 09:11:18 AM
Unfortunately with the ODAC's ranking being so low I think we may go a few years with no at large bids. :-\
Please remember that "ranking" has no impact on at-large bids.

Sorry Ralph.  :) I might have used the wrong terminology. I thought it was the ODAC's ranking as a " weak conference" that was a major factor in VWC not getting an at large bid. Please clarify again. Thanks.
QOWI...

63   9.720   6   Hardin-Simmons   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
64   9.680   7   Virginia Wesleyan   0.760 (19-6)   21-7

GAVA, thanks for responding.

HSU was the team reportedly on the bubble.  VWC was shortly behind them.

I think I can confidently make the statement that a VWC regular season victory over any one of these teams would have earned a Pool C bid:

Maryville TN, Bridgewater, EMU either time, or RMC.

Too many in-region losses!

One more win would have boosted the QOWI to 10.00!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RMCAlum30 on March 11, 2007, 10:25:43 PM
Congrats to the Jackets on a GREAT season... can't wait for next year!!! It's been a pleasure to watch Shaffer and Morgan play during their careers... so proud of them and all they have accomplished on and off the court!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 13, 2007, 06:57:11 PM
Molly Ariail of RMC and Erin Hanson of Roanoke both make 1st team All-State on DII-DIII women's basketball team picked by the Richmond Times Dispatch.

Lindsay Riesbeck of RMC and Katy Herr-Lovell of Bridgwater were named to the 2nd team.

Congratulations ODAC players!!!

FYI - other 1st team players named were Debbie Bruen and Liz Hickey from Mary Washington - our VA final four connection, and Sarah Helton from UVA-Wise
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 14, 2007, 11:12:01 AM
Congratulations to the following players from the ODAC on the South All-Region teams! 

1st Team: Erin Hanson - Roanoke
3rd Team: Lindsay Riesbeck - RMC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on March 18, 2007, 10:11:48 PM
I was down at Roanoke today to watch the ODAC-USA South all-star game. The South got the best of the ODAC at the end, the story is up on the ODAC website.

We had too many guards and they had too many posts. They had us outrebounded at half 45-19 including 25 offensive rebounds!

Caroline Wesley and Nichole Thurston were supposed to play, but for some reason could not, and so Jessica Hunsinger and Salem Shaffer had to bear the load of playing some very big posts off the South Squad.

Shaffer had a heck of a game with 30 points including 8-of-12 from behind the arc and she also had 9 rebounds.

Katy Herr Lovell had a very solid game with 9 points, 7 rebounds, 6 steals, and 4 assists. She truly does it all and to me was very deserving of all-region honors, but once again was left out of that category.

Congratulations to all ODAC seniors!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 19, 2007, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: fairmont1113 on March 18, 2007, 10:11:48 PM
I was down at Roanoke today to watch the ODAC-USA South all-star game. The South got the best of the ODAC at the end, the story is up on the ODAC website.

We had too many guards and they had too many posts. They had us outrebounded at half 45-19 including 25 offensive rebounds!

Caroline Wesley and Nichole Thurston were supposed to play, but for some reason could not, and so Jessica Hunsinger and Salem Shaffer had to bear the load of playing some very big posts off the South Squad.

Shaffer had a heck of a game with 30 points including 8-of-12 from behind the arc and she also had 9 rebounds.

Katy Herr Lovell had a very solid game with 9 points, 7 rebounds, 6 steals, and 4 assists. She truly does it all and to me was very deserving of all-region honors, but once again was left out of that category.

Congratulations to all ODAC seniors!
That's what it sounded like although one of the USASouth guards had 7 rebounds.  Of course she is an All-American and rightfully so.  Watching the game what do you think did she deserve the AA status.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 22, 2007, 06:22:28 AM
Congrats to RMC for cracking the Top 25 in the final poll !!! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on September 14, 2007, 04:14:20 PM
Guilford's 2007-08 women's schedule:

http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/wbball/schedule.html

Nonconference games are Ferrum, Averett, Greensboro and Salem (2x).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on October 02, 2007, 09:20:35 PM
Hello, is this working?  Can anybody hear me?  Just wondering if anyone has entered the room yet for the 2007-2008 ODAC Women's Bball season.  Looking for your preseason front runners.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on October 04, 2007, 08:47:50 PM
12 days 'til training camp ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 09, 2007, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: odacfan99 on October 02, 2007, 09:20:35 PM
Hello, is this working?  Can anybody hear me?  Just wondering if anyone has entered the room yet for the 2007-2008 ODAC Women's Bball season.  Looking for your preseason front runners.

I don't know much about the other teams in the ODAC, but I'm guessing Randolph-Macon has to be considered one of the pre-season favorites with Amanda Hiltunen, Lindsay Reisbeck, and Molly Arial returning.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on October 10, 2007, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on October 09, 2007, 11:22:34 PM
Quote from: odacfan99 on October 02, 2007, 09:20:35 PM
Hello, is this working?  Can anybody hear me?  Just wondering if anyone has entered the room yet for the 2007-2008 ODAC Women's Bball season.  Looking for your preseason front runners.

I don't know much about the other teams in the ODAC, but I'm guessing Randolph-Macon has to be considered one of the pre-season favorites with Amanda Hiltunen, Lindsay Reisbeck, and Molly Arial returning.

Expect big things from EMU and Lynchburg.  Both young teams but kids got lots of playing time last year.  Also, it sounds like Wesleyan has a very impressive incoming class of freshman who will see lots of playing time.  I agree RMC should be tough again but not sure about the quality/depth of their freshmen.  Anyone have any insight?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: axp24 on October 31, 2007, 03:09:22 PM
Looking at some of the rosters on the websites, is it true that Guilford has no seniors and no freshmen?  How does that happen?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 08, 2007, 11:14:30 PM
I see from the ODAC site that R-MC has been picked as the ODAC favorite this year. I watched the taped interview with coach LaHaye. She mentioned six returning players, but didn't say anything about her freshmen. Anybody know anything about the newcomers?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 09, 2007, 07:32:27 PM
The Randoph-Macon roster is now posted.
http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/Womens/basketball.aspx

The college's entire website has been redesigned, so I had to go through the home page to get to it, rather than using my existing bookmark. I then bookmarked the new page and deleted the old one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 11, 2007, 08:48:16 PM
Hey...where is everybody?  Next weekend kicks off the 2007-2008 season!  Is anyone else as pumped for ODAC Women's B'ball as me?  Look for Va Wesleyan to win the ODAC followed closely by EMU and RMC.  Lynchburg will be strong too and is my sleeper pick to upset the above mentioned teams.  Their back court will be among the best in the conference and their post game should be strong.  Any thoughts from some posters more seasoned at this than me???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 15, 2007, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: axp24 on October 31, 2007, 03:09:22 PM
Looking at some of the rosters on the websites, is it true that Guilford has no seniors and no freshmen?  How does that happen?
Looks like it's a half-truth, axp24.  I also see no Seniors, but there are four First Year players on the attached 2007-08 Guilford roster.

http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/wbball/roster.html
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 27, 2007, 10:10:11 PM
First intra conference games tonight!

RC 76  GC 51
RMC 75   EMU 61
VWC 79  Rand 45

also:
W&L 62  Mary Baldwin 59
EH 62  Greensboro 79
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 28, 2007, 08:42:46 PM
hoopstermom, did u get to see any of the games?  if so, any impressions?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 29, 2007, 10:47:27 AM
I've seen Macon for all three of their games so far. They had a slow start in the Mt. Aloysius tourney, took some time to get their defense adjusted but ended up winning both games easily by ~30 point margins.  Riesbeck was named on all tourney team with Jess Shiflett who also took MVP honors.   Shiflett has stepped in nicely to run the offense.

I thought the game against EMU would be closer, but Macon came out fast and scored the first 8 points quickly.  RMC dominated the boards 1st half 20-8 to gain 16 point lead going into the half.  EMU played pretty much even in the 2nd half but couldn't recover.  Carolyn Riley (EMU) has impressive moves and a great shot, but she was kept in check with only 8 points for the game.  EMU seemed to have difficulty adjusting to her lack of production, plus she picked up some quick early fouls.

LaHaye has a small (no. of players) but well-balanced team.  Since Riesbeck, Ariail and Hiltunen are all big scoring threats, it's hard for the opposition to shut all three down.   4 players were in double figures against EMU. Multiple subs have been getting 10-15 minutes or more each of playing time in every game.

Defense is not what was without Kristen Morgan and seems to be the weakest part of RMCs game at this point. 

Look for Stein and Childress to step up even more as the season goes on.  They did a good job coming in for Riesbeck and Ariail providing fresh legs and renewed intensity with no significant loss in production at either end of the floor.

RMC has a road trip this weekend playing W&L Friday and Roanoke this Saturday.   Should be good ones.  Wish I could make the trip.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 29, 2007, 09:49:51 PM
Wow, hoopstermom, you're all over this stuff!  Impressive.  Sounds like you get to see quite a few RMC games.  Will have to count on you for "from the sideline" reports this season.  I only wish others would join in on the post up board.  Unlike last year, not a lot of traffic yet.  Maybe it's still too early?  Can't wait to get a better sense for the teams in the ODAC - this weekend's games might reveal a lot.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 01, 2007, 10:25:34 AM
Randolph Macon soundly defeated Washington and Lee, 81 - 57.  W & L was slated to finish 5th in the ODAC, and seems to have more talent than it has had in years.  It seems though, that you can't complete the puzzle if you don't know what to do with the pieces.  W & L starts off 1 - 5.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 01, 2007, 06:50:52 PM
Per Live Stats:

RMC defeats Roanoke 73-67 behind unbelievable free throw shooting 25 of 26 at the line.  Curiously, Hiltunen fouled out of the game and Arail, Riesbeck and Childress finished with 4 fouls each for RMC.  Caityn Long and Jordan Gholson fouled out for Roanoke, no one else for RC was in jeapardy of fouling out, but four other RC players had 2 fouls each.

All five RMC starters finished in double figures scoring: Merkel-11, Shifflett-13, Hiltunen-16, Riesbeck-12, Arail-15.  Erin Hanson must have been unstoppable as she had 22 for Roanoke, followed by Caitlin Long with 11 and Torri Bridger with 10. 

Game went back and forth in the 1st half with 8 ties and 11 lead changes before Roanoke took the lead into the locker room 32-29.

Roanoke built their lead to 7 twice in the 2nd half and did not lose the lead until 2:44 to go when Marta Merkel hit a 3 pointer to give Macon the lead 61-59. Roanoke got within 1 point at the :42 mark on a layup by Toni Bridge, but Macon answered with another 3 pointer and then made their last four free throws to seal the win.

Other games:

EMU 71 BC 62
VWC 61   W&L 44
GC 71  Rand 59
EH 98  Hollins 55
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on December 01, 2007, 10:08:23 PM
Thanks for the details, hoopstermom.  You've got me wanting to go to the RMC website to read the game details myself  ;D

So far, looks like the RMC team has a wealth of scoring options.  Quite a change from when the team relied on M. Silva to provide much of the offense.  Balance is good.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 01, 2007, 10:42:24 PM
Actually, I got all the info off Roanoke's site.  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on December 15, 2007, 11:10:05 AM
There hasn't been a great deal of discussion about how everyone's team is doing this year - pros / cons.  I'll start and hopefully others will join in.  Washington and Lee is very deep this year, but has had little success.  It's still early, though, and things could turn around!  Things that could effect results - starting line-ups, timing and mix of player substitutions, and teamwork.  Obviously these are crucial variables that can effect any team's results - -  but if what you're doing isn't working, you certainly need to question why.   What's going on with other teams?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on December 16, 2007, 12:03:31 PM
Virginia Wesleyan looks to be a contender for the ODAC title this year, at least in the eyes of the coaches (#2 preseason). They start 3 seniors (Phillips, Lowe, and Barrett), so lots of experience/leasdership.  And sophomore Jones is a dynamo at the guard position.  And let's not forget about Ushinski, a talented and athletic guard/post.  As solid a starting group as there is in the ODAC in my opinion.  They are off to a good start at 7-2 but suffered a tough loss to CNU that hopefully won't hurt their psyche when they start their January ODAC run. 

Of their 7 wins, though, only 1 is impressive - the win against Bridgewater on the road.  The combined record of the other 6 teams they beat is a paltry 14-33 so it's hard to say just how good the team is this early in the season.  Let's wait to see how they do against the tougher teams in the ODAC in January.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 26, 2007, 05:51:28 PM
Pretty quiet for holidays, but a few games to note:

RMC travels to Phoenix to play in the Grand Canyon Classic this weekend. They have Marymout on Saturday.  Marymount's 7-0 and even though not yet ranked, they are getting votes.  Should be a good test for RMC. RMC plays Villa Julie (MD?) on Sunday.

Roanoke plays 17th ranked Olgethorpe  (8-0) who is hosting a Holiday Classic on their home court in Atlanta. RC then plays Bowdoin on Sunday, always a tough team too, even though they're only 5-3 so far.

Hope both do well for the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 29, 2007, 06:48:53 PM
RMC 55 - Marymount 49

All I have is score.  No stats or other details.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 06, 2008, 08:47:35 AM
After some badly needed personnel adjustments (my call!), the W & L Generals defeated the Bridgewater Eagles.  The Eagles had the game well in hand, but the Generals more experienced athletes were able to take advantage of the Eagles careless mistakes.  Inexperienced does not have to mean careless.  Good win for the new year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 06, 2008, 07:06:16 PM
Bridgewater is certainly experiencing the pain of rebuilding.  :o  I agree, generalee, Washington and Lee seems to have benefited from a starting line up change.  Personally, I think one more is due - but that's just an opinion.  ( I know, everyone has one!)  Sorry to hear Hayley James had to end her career due to injuries.  The ODAC seems wide open this year.  We are getting to the "meat" of the schedule.  Any predictions?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 08, 2008, 02:43:21 PM
There was so much activity on this board last year!  Where is everyone?Predictions:

Tonight - W & L over VWC
             - Lynchburg over E & H

Wed      - Bridgewater over Randolph - first win in ODAC!!
             - Guilford over Hollins
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 10, 2008, 05:15:23 PM
Congratulations to the Quakers for an 8-1 start ... best in 6 years.  Admittedly, tougher teams are still ahead, but it's always nice to get off to a good start!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 11, 2008, 10:41:44 AM
8 and 1 is a great start, Hasanova.  Bad starts wear a team down , but can also be inspiring.  Hoping the Generals turn the corner.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 11, 2008, 03:58:46 PM
Hoops - I agree with your assessment.  RMC escaped with a win earlier this week against Catholic.  Tonight's game against Guilford will be a test for both teams.

BIG weekend for everyone.  Will be interesting to see where things fall. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 11, 2008, 08:45:11 PM
Congratulations to Coach Tobey for guiding a Hornet team with no juniors and seniors on it to a big 68-55 win over the emus.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 12, 2008, 10:46:46 AM
What a fantastic win for the Lynchburg Hornets - really making a statement for such a young team.   The future is pretty bright.  Great win for the Generals, too.  Coach Dunagan has to wonder about what might have been if she'd played Erin Hanson.  The little guard from New Jersey really took the Generals on her back and grabbed the game away from the Maroons.  She is so quick - I don't know why she doesn't play more.  The field is really starting to mix up.  ODACHOOPS may be right - some teams are in for a bumpy ride!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: fairmont1113 on January 12, 2008, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: odacfan99 on December 16, 2007, 12:03:31 PM
Of their 7 wins, though, only 1 is impressive - the win against Bridgewater on the road.  The combined record of the other 6 teams they beat is a paltry 14-33 so it's hard to say just how good the team is this early in the season.  Let's wait to see how they do against the tougher teams in the ODAC in January.

If that is their only impressive win, then they have had an unimpressive schedule thus far. Bridgewater is a good team, but is without a doubt in a rebuilding year with 7 freshmen and 5 sophomores. Coach Willi and Coach Justice will have these girls ready to play night in and night out, but they just picked up their first ODAC wins this weekend....and that was just against Randolph and Hollins! They were picked to finish 6th in the ODAC, VWC 2nd, and the Marlins only defeated the Eagles by 9. Also, odacfan99, that was a home win for VWC, not a road win. It would have been more impressive if VWC would have won at BC after that long road trip from the beach. It will be interesting to see how VWC fares against tougher competition and also how BC rebounds from a slow start.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 12, 2008, 08:07:14 PM
Weekend summary of craziness...

Saturday: VWC overwhelms E&H by 29 points. RMC buckles down and tops GC by 16. W&L wins over RC 61-57 .  LC stuns EMU. BC gets 2nd conference win over Hollins 72-33

Today: GC upsets VWC at the Batten center 67-51.  VWC shoots 22% for the game!!!  RMC pulls out another one in the last minutes over E&H 86-78.  BC stops LC 75-62 and EMU resurges with a win over HU 86-23.

Result: alot of movement in standings, which certainly won't remain this way very long.

YOU GOTTA LOVE IT!!   


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rmaconfan on January 15, 2008, 01:22:31 AM
Hi guys,

I'm going to be out of town for showdown between RMC and VWC on Saturday.  Will this game have an audio stream on the internet?  If it does, is the radio feed worth listening to?  In other games, sometimes the audio quality is bad or the announcers are students who don't take it very seriously.  Let me know if I can find an audio stream from either RMC or VWC.  Thanks for your help.

-Mark
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 15, 2008, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: odac_hoops on January 15, 2008, 08:02:03 AM
rmaconfan - the game should be aired online through Penn Atlantic - they are covering several big ODAC match ups this year. There is a charge of $3.50 to use this service and I cannot say that I have ever tried it, but you can find out more info at
http://www.odaconline.com/01.08.08_odac_bballwebcasts.htm

I am assuming the feed will be pretty good since it is going through a company that does this for a living instead of an individual school trying to do it.

Dangit it costs 3.50 to view each game??? Looks like I won't be watching any then! :(

I should be able to get a media pass for the LC ones! lol
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 15, 2008, 10:32:03 AM
RMC provides free streaming through Sports Juice.com for most home games including the one this Saturday.

http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTg%3d-Zz%2bY%2b1HkwNU%3d#

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 15, 2008, 09:32:58 PM
Coach Tobey and the Hornets with another big win on the road, beating Guilford 65-57 tonight.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 16, 2008, 01:27:22 PM
I, too, was impressed with the young Hornets - UNTIL they lost to Bridgewater. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 16, 2008, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on January 16, 2008, 01:27:22 PM
I, too, was impressed with the young Hornets - UNTIL they lost to Bridgewater. 

well they are ALL underclassmen, every single one of the players is a freshman and sophomore, so they are still prone to making the mistakes that young players will make...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 17, 2008, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 15, 2008, 10:32:03 AM
RMC provides free streaming through Sports Juice.com for most home games including the one this Saturday.

http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTg%3d-Zz%2bY%2b1HkwNU%3d#



Looks like sportsjuice is broadcasting the men's RMC-HSC game from Farmville now at 2:00 p.m.  ???  I guess the Penn Atlantic option for a fee  :(  is what's left to listen to the women's game RMC-VWC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 17, 2008, 04:17:32 PM
RMC will need to play much better than they have and more consistently throughout both halves of the game if they want to keep up with VWC. 

GC is confusing me, they drop their game to RMC last week by 16 only to beat VWC the next day by the same number of points, then they lose their next game to LC.  I'm picking them to prevail over EMU though.

I'll pick LC over W&L.  I haven't seen either play but I'm sort of rooting for the youngsters.

Roanoke should take Randolph even without Hanson

I think E&H will take BC.

I'm no good at picking numbers for lotto tickets, so I wouldn't lay any odds on these choices either.  But it's fun guessing.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 18, 2008, 01:12:30 PM
Jan. 18
BC at E&H - 7:00pm
EMU at GC - 7:00pm
RAND at RC - 7:00pm
LC at W&L - 7:00pm

Jan. 19
VWC at RMC - 2:00pm
EMU at E&H - 4:00pm
BC at GC - 4:00pm
LC at RC - 4:00pm
RAND at W&L - 4:30pm


I'm looking forward to seeing the Hornets and Quakers:

BC
GC
RC
LC

RMC
E&H
GC
LC - if no Hanson
W&L


Should be a fun weekend.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 19, 2008, 04:48:23 PM
Nice back-to-back road wins by Bridgewater, as they beat the Wasps yesterday and the Quakers today.

For a team that has 11 underclassmen (seven frosh, four sophs) and one senior, they are growing up quickly (7-6, 5-4 ODAC). IMO, they'll be competing for the ODAC title in 2009-2010, if not earlier. What a heck of a job Coach Willi, Justice, and Wade have done.

I'm looking forward to watching EMU-BC Part 2 on Jan. 22.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 20, 2008, 03:56:11 PM
I've tried to calm down - but can anybody believe the Generals lost to Randolph?  By 20 points??  Come on now!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 20, 2008, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: generalee on January 20, 2008, 03:56:11 PM
I've tried to calm down - but can anybody believe the Generals lost to Randolph?  By 20 points??  Come on now!

I had to go check randolph's website before I believed that...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 21, 2008, 08:32:08 AM
Quote from: odac_hoops on January 21, 2008, 08:13:20 AM
LC proceeded to intentionally foul pushing several Roanoke players to the floor...it happened twice w/o any intentional fouls being called...however, with 2 sec left and LC down by more than one position...LC players proceed to push RC players across the court (as told by their coach) and ended up having two foul calls at the same time...one being intentional.

Your version of the story doesnt matchup with the official box score.....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 21, 2008, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: odac_hoops on January 21, 2008, 08:13:20 AM
the W&L loss is crazy, but Randolph always has a tendency to pick up one or two big upset wins a season...if you take them lightly and the coaches don't keep their normal sub rotation (putting in lower players earlier) then you never get in a rhythm.]

Rotation had nothing to do with the Randolph win.  W&L has no "star" players, and never plays the bench deep.  Randolph just flat out played defense, and W&L, well, just didn't.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 21, 2008, 08:59:48 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on January 21, 2008, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: odac_hoops on January 21, 2008, 08:13:20 AM
the W&L loss is crazy, but Randolph always has a tendency to pick up one or two big upset wins a season...if you take them lightly and the coaches don't keep their normal sub rotation (putting in lower players earlier) then you never get in a rhythm.]

Rotation had nothing to do with the Randolph win.  W&L has no "star" players, and never plays the bench deep.  Randolph just flat out played defense, and W&L, well, just didn't.

Randolph has a pretty good trio in freshman Brockman and sophomores Rechnitzer and Cross.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 21, 2008, 09:00:14 AM
Sorry - did that wrong...
Rotation had nothing to do with the Randolph win.  W&L has no "star" players, and never plays the bench deep.  Randolph just flat out played defense, and W&L, well, just didn't.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: HOOPS-STAR on January 21, 2008, 10:39:12 AM
Odac_hoops:

How dare you question the integrity/character of Coach Tobey!  Do you know her?  The answer is NO.  I was sitting right behind the LC bench on Saturday and specifically heard Coach Tobey tell her players that they needed the ball back and that they needed to foul before the ball got in...she did say, "We don't want to hurt anyone, we never want to do that but we need to put them on the line without time expiring off the clock."  But neither you nor I were in the LC huddle...you are most certainly a Roanoke fan and you're jealous because Coach Tobey has the LC program moving in the right direction, which is more than I can say about the program the previous 6 years...and many LC wins over RC are on the brink!

More and more situations keep arising...like what?   #13 was immediately removed from the game after her elbow...and being at many LC games I know that players are told to win or lose the right way!  What you are neglecting to say is RC's #25, Bridge kicked #13 before the retaliation that was let go, as usual at Roanoke!

If you are going to hide behind this message board and make accusations that are/were not true about the game Saturday, then be man enough to back yourself up!  Get facts before you just talk about what you obviously have no idea about!

One last thing, anyone who watches basketball knows that at the end of the game when you're down by 3 (becuase that is what LC was down by), you foul before the ball gets in...intentionally!  And the refs know that's the strategy, so for them to call it intentional (after not seeing the first few suttle fouls) was their own lack of knowledges of basketball tactics, which was also evident throughout the entire game. 

When RC players were holding and pushing #24 Dahn for LC, no one was complaining...not even you!

The one thing I do agree with you about is that Jordan Gholson is a heck of a player! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 21, 2008, 11:03:01 AM
Just thought I'd my two sense to the board.....didn't see the game, but poor sportsmanship has been discussed on this board over the years....mainly concerning VWC in the past. Having watched a number of area teams over the past several years (shenandoah valley) I have noticed Roanoke to have a tendency to take a lot of cheap shots and show little class at moments. These observations are, of course, my own opinion and mean nothing. Now, on to Lynchburg.....last year when they played BC there were a couple incidents with Lynchburg throwing cheap shots that got the crowd and bench fired up. I have been to many games where there were cheap shots from just about every team in the ODAC (most famous was the blatant kick from VWC's Dove...that was an amazing one!). I say all of this to make this point....cheap shots happen in every game, and it depends on which side of the gym you are sitting on to determine if it was intentional or inadvertant.....ODAC is a competitive league with passionate players...emotions are bound to get high and plays unfold that to the biased eye seem cheap, but probably are just a lot intensity mixed with emotion. Coach Tobey probably did not want to hurt anyone, Roanoke players probably didn't push and shove to hurt.....they were just all out there trying their hardest to win. Here's hoping for a good rest of the season with plenty of close and physical games!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 21, 2008, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: odac_hoops on January 21, 2008, 08:13:20 AM
As I thought...Macon suffered it's first loss of the season...didn't see the game, but a 13-14 halftime score?? thats just not characteristic of odac basketball. The fact that VA Wes controlled the boards 55-38 was the difference in this game...but how exactly does that happen when you have the most dominating center in the game?? seems like Macon got a well deserved wake up call.

The RMC-VWC game was painful to watch.  Both teams shot terribly throughout the game. Macon did not score it's first field goal until almost 9 minutes into the game. VWC reached 14 points with more than 8 minutes to go in the half and did not score anymore after that.   I couldn't believe the half time score was only 14-13.  I think both teams shot 16.7% 1st half and cumulatively less than 23% for the game.  The rebounding was definitely the difference.  VWC was more aggressive going to the boards and make a few crucial 3 pointers late in the game to seal the win.

The interesting thing about this game is that there might as well not have been any refs there.  As much as you don't want officials having an impact on the final outcome of a game, you do expect they are there to insert some control over the game.  There were only 4 fouls (2 against each team) in the 1st half.  It was like watching a playground game with a running clock.  That definitely affected both teams shooting and inside play.

It will be interesting to see how both teams respond during their next games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 21, 2008, 06:37:01 PM
"the W&L loss is crazy, but Randolph always has a tendency to pick up one or two big upset wins a season...if you take them lightly and the coaches don't keep their normal sub rotation (putting in lower players earlier) then you never get in a rhythm."

Rhythm?

Randolph wanted it more- even though no player on that RC team was more than 5'8.  Still- they hustled back in defense every time. My question is-with 3 players 6 feet & over, why was W&L playing RC's game-  guards against small guards instead of taking them out of their game with the post presence that W&L has?

What I saw @ W&L Saturday was:  the Generals with a lax defense, but just as  importantly- with no offense, especially in the second half. NO PLAYS! Even before the whole team was back in position for rebounds, the W&L shooting guards were launching up shot after cold shot from the outside. When outside shots don't fall, what do the guards do? Launch up another brick. Even tho there are 3 big posts players on that bench,  there is no real post game with the Generals. Even the radio announcers mentioned that puzzle again and again.

Sad. Coaches needs to regroup and try something else - not sure what, but whatever is happening now is not working.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on January 22, 2008, 11:34:43 AM
White Calyxx, Generalee, and DukeofArgyle...I too was at that Randolph game and I too noticed how the generals were absolutely dominated in the post. For example, the generals, the 15th best team in team rebounding margin in 2006-2007 in all of D3, only had 3 more rebounds than the Wildcats. Average height for the Gennies: 5'10 and for the Wildcats: 5'6. While isn't the deciding factor in rebounding, few would disagree that it isn't important. Additionally, I don't think people should underplay the impressive showing in this game by Michelle Brockman. A double-double, with 9 of 16 shooting from the field and only 1 turnover. She's gonna be a special player for Melissa Wiggins' squad. While a lot of the blame can be focused on the Generals, you must give credit where credit is due: the WildCats.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on January 22, 2008, 12:01:38 PM
GeneralLee, DukeofArgyle, and WhiteCaylxx...who are you guys??!?!? It's good to hear that the generals have such a devoted fan base despite the recent struggles...keep up the faith!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 22, 2008, 12:49:06 PM
Quote from: GeneralFan on January 22, 2008, 11:34:43 AMAdditionally, I don't think people should underplay the impressive showing in this game by Michelle Brockman. A double-double, with 9 of 16 shooting from the field and only 1 turnover. She's gonna be a special player for Melissa Wiggins' squad.

I agree, she's a big-time player. Brockman is going to be a force!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 22, 2008, 04:41:56 PM
White Calyxx, Generalee, and DukeofArgyle...I too was at that Randolph game and I too noticed how the generals were absolutely dominated in the post. For example, the generals, the 15th best team in team rebounding margin in 2006-2007 in all of D3, only had 3 more rebounds than the Wildcats. Average height for the Gennies: 5'10 and for the Wildcats: 5'6. While isn't the deciding factor in rebounding, few would disagree that it isn't important.

General Fan- Thanks, I enjoy the game; I even have a heart for the underdog.

I will agree that Brockman is a special player, good to see that Randolph's recruiting is looking up. Also agree with White Calyxx who said that the Gennies have more talent than they have had for years.

BUT...

It perplexes me why there was 1/3 of this game played with no post against a team with all small guards? There is no doubt that whoever out-rebounds usually wins the game. I checked the stats on this game and the two W & L post players split 26 minutes evenly; Camp had 4 rebounds in 13 mins & Herman had 8 rebounds in 13 mins. Not sure why harper didn't play, but this was a game that would have been great to use a twin towers

Post players have historically had a greater inpact on the game than they do presently in this age of the 3 point outside shot.  The 5 is truly a thankless position for most players, but the demise of the true inside-outside post game has been noted on many sites more comprehensive than this blog.  Unfortunately, this game against Randolph was a prime example of this phenomenon.

Still, I call it a shame.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 23, 2008, 12:47:43 PM
Dukeofargyle:  Though they still did not go to the post much last night, you'd have to agree the Generals did a better job.  RMC, on the other hand, didn't show me they were a top 20 team.  They did force 24 W & L turnovers, but missed many uncontested shots.  I thought they would rebound from VWC, but not so much.
Bridgewater did a great job with EMU and almost pulled off the upset.  Also, Roanoke did a fantastic job over E & H - without Hanson.  Anything else?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 23, 2008, 07:48:52 PM
whitecaylxx:
Yes; the hustle was certainly there. Great to see Krouchik playing like we have gotten used to seeing her over the past 3 years. Kane remains streaky but when she's hot she's hot- it sure was fun watching her take on R-M singlehandedly in the 2nd half.

R-M was definitely off their game. So many wide open shots didn't fall. I couldnt' believe Arail w/ her 4 for 16 attempts-  but give credit- the Gennies were back playing their defense again. Whew. 

Have to give it to Arial: she has a shooter's mentality. The shots did fall for her toward the end of the game. Her off-shooting night was was weird because her 9 for 9 free throws had to be sweet to watch.

IMO, Hanson being out has given the less acclaimed Roanoke players their time to step up. All props to them for pulling out the win without her- again!

I'll hold judgement on Bridgewater for the moment; as awith W&L last time out, this is a game of momentum & we'll see what happens on Saturday. 

I've been watching the game a few years now, & I think with some tweaking of positions, plays and strategy, there's plenty of talent on this team & the Gennies are now deep enough to have beaten most teams that they've seen so far (with a few exceptions).

They just need to clean up their passing, mix it up - be creative, use their very deep bench of post players & miraculously discover a true post offense, be disciplined about choosing their shots, and most of all:

TAKE CARE of the BALL, LADIES!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 24, 2008, 11:01:36 AM
"I've been watching the game a few years now, & I think with some tweaking of positions, plays and strategy, there's plenty of talent on this team & the Gennies are now deep enough to have beaten most teams that they've seen so far (with a few exceptions)."

Duke of argyle - The talent's been there for a few years - that's what I meant about needing to know what to do with the pieces to complete the puzzle.   W & L's record is a puzzle itself!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 25, 2008, 11:14:47 AM
"Duke of argyle - The talent's been there for a few years - that's what I meant about needing to know what to do with the pieces to complete the puzzle."   

generalee-

Though what you state here is surely true enough, this recruiting class was heavier on post players than any other I can remember. Which is what prompted my comments on the nature of the game as it is now played- in the men's or the women's game.

Putting your pieces together is part of the strategy of the game.  Few enough young coaches still see the post as anything but a defensive player in there to outmuscle & kick the ball back out to the guards.

Check this out from d3hoops, written by one of the players at MIT:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/01/24/post-play-in-d3

A. Long is a very nice new player as well. She seems to be playing with more confidence every week.  IMO- W & L really needs a talented floor general. (hmmm...excuse the pun!)

Do you think she sees the floor well enough to direct the plays beyond the tired old motion offense?




Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 26, 2008, 10:17:46 AM
It looks like a two-person race for ODAC Freshman of the Year - a battle of the Jordan's.

Of course Roanoke's Jordan is a center, while Bridgewater's is a guard. So statistically, what each is better at makes sense; RC's Jordan leads in rebounds, blocks, and FG%, with BC's leading everything else.


Jordan Gholson
Jordan Burkholder
Roanoke
School
Bridgewater
13/6
GM Player/Started
14/14
10.8
Points/GM
15.6
6.2
Rebounds/GM
4.4
0.2
Assists/GM
2.2
0.8
Steals/GM
2.9
2.3
Blocks/GM
0.4
48.7
Field Goal %
39.0
00.0
Three Point %
23.9
68.2
Free Throw %
73.9
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 26, 2008, 06:32:16 PM
Weekend results for the women:

Randolph has won 4 straight including a 68-64 win at home over E&H today!! Brockman had 20 and Rechnitzer has 18 for Randolph

VWC runs over Hollins yesterday 82-24, then drops a close one to Roanoke today 50-52

This afternoon Bridgewater holds off a come back by W&L to win 50-49

Also today, Lynchburg over Guilford by 10 points 72-62

RMC squeaks by Roanoke yesterday by 2, then wins today over Hollins 87-26

Roanoke loses a tough one yesterday to RMC 58-60 then hangs on against VWC today after being up by as much as 14 points to win by 2.


Another shuffle on the board.  I figure Randolph moves up to the 8th spot jumping W&L and E&H with their run and VWC and RMC swap 1 and 2.  Bridgewater and Guilford maybe swap spots 6 & 7.

Probably be another shuffle after Tuesday too.  What fun.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: valleybballfan on January 27, 2008, 06:12:55 AM
kid, I am glad to hear some FOY talk....any early predictions on POY?

I was thinking about the FOY the other day after having watched BC a couple times....and I got to say...I am not sure about Burkholder? She is an impressive scorer without a doubt. However, when I have watched them I think she would benefit as a player and the team would benefit if she looked more for the open man and not so often for her shot. She shoots a lot and has a tendency to turn the ball over (over four a game). Other then that, I think if she smartens up as a player she is going to have an impressive career at BC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 27, 2008, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: valleybballfan on January 27, 2008, 06:12:55 AM
kid, I am glad to hear some FOY talk....any early predictions on POY?

This is a tough one. I think it's down to four players, but who has the edge, who knows...

-Molly Ariail (R-MC)
-Brittany Dahn (LC)
-Heather Phillips (VWC)
-Carolyn Riley (EMU)

Of that group, I've only seen Dahn and Riley play this season. But I remember Ariail and Phillips from last year. As far as what I saw in a game (or games) against Bridgewater, I'd give the nod to Riley. I felt like she made the players around her better. Even though she could if she wanted, she doesn't have to score a lot to help her team win.

Quote from: valleybballfan on January 27, 2008, 06:12:55 AM
I was thinking about the FOY the other day after having watched BC a couple times....and I got to say...I am not sure about Burkholder? She is an impressive scorer without a doubt. However, when I have watched them I think she would benefit as a player and the team would benefit if she looked more for the open man and not so often for her shot. She shoots a lot and has a tendency to turn the ball over (over four a game). Other then that, I think if she smartens up as a player she is going to have an impressive career at BC.

Remember, we're talking about freshman of the year. She is still less than one year removed from playing high school basketball. As I mentioned before, Burkholder was put in a situation where BC lost five of their top seven scorers from last season, not to mention 95% of their three-point field goals made. As one of the better scorers on the team, she has had to jump right in and shoot a lot. Also keep in mine she's fourth in the conference in getting to the free throw line - so she's not just jacking up a lot of bad shots. She's taking it to the hole. The three players who get to the charity stripe more? LC's Dahn, VWC's Phillips, and EMU's Riley. Three of the four POY candidates.

It's also worth noting that when Katy Herr Lovell (from BC) won Freshman of the Year in 2003-04, she shot 38.3 from the field. Burkholder's shooting only slightly better (39.0%), but I don't think that will keep her to winning the award (if she deserves it come the end of the season).

As far as the turnovers, I agree, averaging four a game is a bit much (and that may lead the conference). But again comparing her to the four POY candidates, she's not that far from them;

-Riley - 3.2 TO a game
-Dahn - 2.9 TO a game
-Ariail - 2.6 TO a game
-Phillips - 2.5 TO a game

And, of course, Burkholder is the only first year player of that group.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Burkholder is one of 11 underclassmen the Eagles have on their roster, with only one senior. She is a tough and aggressive player (5.3 free throw attempts a game), who isn't afraid of taking the big shot. She also has fantastic court vision, and she has shown plenty of times this year that she is more willing to pass it than shoot it (probably why her TO/gm is so high). She still has time to grow up.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 27, 2008, 12:13:10 PM
dukeofarglye - In response to your:

"A. Long is a very nice new player as well. She seems to be playing with more confidence every week.  IMO- W & L really needs a talented floor general. (hmmm...excuse the pun!)

Do you think she sees the floor well enough to direct the plays beyond the tired old motion offense?"



It's hard to continue to comment without sounding negative.  Bridgewater was a big win for the Eagles.  The Generals did make a great comeback, but they never should have been in that place to begin with.  Very seasoned athletes against "newbies."  It seems like Willi has them on the upswing.
As for the Long player, how do you go from averaging 28 minutes a game to 21 in the last two?  Seems like a confidence killer.  Tell her to keep her head up - the inexplicable wind will shift again...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RELEE.Blvd on January 27, 2008, 07:37:38 PM
Lets get to the "Burglary at Bridgewater".

When has any serious or semi-serious sports fan seen a ref decide a game with 2 seconds to go? I have been coaching for over 20 years and never have i seen a ref determine the outcome of a game with less than 5 seconds to go.

The first thing they tell you when you're in any officiating course is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be seen as deciding the out come of a game by calling a foul or penalty in the last 5 seconds, unless the foul was so flagrant a lead pipe was involved.

The ref should have swallowed his whistle and let the teams decide in OT who should have won. Instead you have an incredibly dissapointed W&L team that staged a great come back. You have Bridgewater that even though it will not say differently maybe knows in the back of their mind a little home town cooking is better than a diet. Finally you have a heart broken player who by the thinnest of margins might and I do say "MIGHT" have fouled the BC player anguished over letting her team down.

The reality of the situation is the ref let W&L down, Bridgewater down, the W&L player down and arguably he let his own integrity down.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 27, 2008, 10:36:54 PM
Quote from: RELEE.Blvd on January 27, 2008, 07:37:38 PM
Lets get to the "Burglary at Bridgewater".

When has any serious or semi-serious sports fan seen a ref decide a game with 2 seconds to go? I have been coaching for over 20 years and never have i seen a ref determine the outcome of a game with less than 5 seconds to go.

The first thing they tell you when you're in any officiating course is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be seen as deciding the out come of a game by calling a foul or penalty in the last 5 seconds, unless the foul was so flagrant a lead pipe was involved.

The ref should have swallowed his whistle and let the teams decide in OT who should have won. Instead you have an incredibly dissapointed W&L team that staged a great come back. You have Bridgewater that even though it will not say differently maybe knows in the back of their mind a little home town cooking is better than a diet. Finally you have a heart broken player who by the thinnest of margins might and I do say "MIGHT" have fouled the BC player anguished over letting her team down.

The reality of the situation is the ref let W&L down, Bridgewater down, the W&L player down and arguably he let his own integrity down.

A foul is a foul is a foul. It was pretty obvious.

This probably wasn't your first basketball game, so you know that refs have and can make mistakes. But so can players.

I felt bad for the W&L player who committed it. All I could do was watch her after she fouled (well, hacked) our player. She had a "uh oh" look on her face while the free throws were being attempted. She didn't look mad at the ref, she looked like she felt bad she put her team in that position.

I will say that had it not been for that W&L player - the one who committed the foul - then the Generals wouldn't have even had a chance at the win towards the end. When the game looked out of reach with under four minutes to go (down by nine points), she scored the next four to make it a five-point game with two minutes left. For a guard to finish with nine rebounds, you can't knock her effort.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 28, 2008, 12:07:53 PM
Burglary in Bridgewater??  Let me say I do wish the game had gone into overtime -  then there would be no "what ifs."  The Generals turned it on at the end and possibly they could have come away with a win.  But to blame it on the officials for home cooking - what home cooking?  It's not like the refs were hired by Bridgewater.  They were ODAC refs which are sometimes good and sometimes pretty bad.  The big picture is W & L had 25 turnovers and several missed shots.  Number 20 did not lose that game for the Generals, and neither did the refs.  Regroup and get the next game!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RELEE.Blvd on January 29, 2008, 03:52:42 AM
No you can't knock her effort, I think she is a feisty guard and always hustles with a lot of talent to boot.
I was informed though that your observation of her guilty look was a bit off base since the player in question and her team still feel cheated.

I did check with two senior basketball refs in the Washington Catholic Athletic Conference which is thought of as the best high school athletic league in the country and here were their replies.

1st ref. You don't decide a game in the last 5 seconds unless the foul was hard, flagrant or impeded a chance to win for the team with the ball.

2nd ref. I'm glad it wasn't me.

So it seems we'll have to agree to disagree and hopefully meet for a third time with a less controversial out come.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 29, 2008, 09:52:20 AM
Quote from: RELEE.Blvd on January 29, 2008, 03:52:42 AM
No you can't knock her effort, I think she is a feisty guard and always hustles with a lot of talent to boot.
I was informed though that your observation of her guilty look was a bit off base since the player in question and her team still feel cheated.

I did check with two senior basketball refs in the Washington Catholic Athletic Conference which is thought of as the best high school athletic league in the country and here were their replies.

1st ref. You don't decide a game in the last 5 seconds unless the foul was hard, flagrant or impeded a chance to win for the team with the ball.

2nd ref. I'm glad it wasn't me.

So it seems we'll have to agree to disagree and hopefully meet for a third time with a less controversial out come.

I never said W&L coaches, players, and fans wouldn't be (or shouldn't be) disappointed. If that happened to Bridgewater, I would be too.

I did say, however, that it was a painfully obvious foul, and that her look after she committed it was one of guilt, not "oh my gosh, I can't believe you think I fouled her."

I'm disappointed that your ref sources think the call shouldn't have been made. When there's under five seconds to go, with a game tied, and one team is dribbling down the court to get off a shot (and BC's Timberlake would have probably gotten off a decent three-pointer), and the opponent illegally keeps her from advancing the ball (not only that, but hacks her), then I'm sorry - that should be called. Regardless if there's five minutes remaining or five seconds.

Look, your team was on the short end of this stick. Of course you'll take the approach of "highway robbery." And I'm sure had BC lost that way, I would be on here complaining about how it ended. But our emotions would get in the way of reality, and we would both be wrong.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 29, 2008, 10:06:38 AM
so W&L had a 39:58 of 40 possible minutes before the foul to win the game and lost. I guess it's the refs fault that they turned the ball over 25 times, only shot 30.4%, and only made three three pointers while getting gangster slapped eight times by Rebecca Henderson - all four of which were apparently major factors that explain why W&L put their selves in the position they were in at the end of the game...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 29, 2008, 10:22:06 AM
As for tonight's Bridgewater/R-MC game...

Clearly the Jackets are favored, even on the road; ranked No. 19 ... 14-1 record ... reigning ODAC champs. So, IMO, here are the keys if the Eagles are to make this a game...

1) Keep R-MC off the offensive glass. In two of their four closest games (loss to VWC, the two wins against RC, and the win over Marymount), the Jackets finished with less than nine offensive boards. 

2) Hold R-MC to sub-.400 from the field. In the four abovementioned games, the Jackets shot only 33.5 from the floor. In the other 11 games, they made 45.8 of their field goals.

3) Force the R-MC guards into turnovers. Merkel, Shifflett, and Hiltunen have turned it over a combined average of 8.8 times in the aforementioned games. In the other 11, they turned it over only 5.5 times a game.

I think the fact that R-MC has started the same five girls for all 15 games has been a key in their success. Also, five of their six top players (minutes wise) are upperclassmen, with three of them being seniors. On the other hand, Bridgewater has started eight different people, while six of their top nine players are underclassmen - four of which are freshmen.

So while R-MC has some promising youth (Ariail, Stein, and O'Briant), it's mostly experience leading the way for the Jackets. Bridgewater has made huge strides this year with their young players, while the coaches try to find which groups work best together. BC has gone 6-2 since starting the season 2-5.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 29, 2008, 10:31:59 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on January 29, 2008, 10:06:38 AM
so W&L had a 39:58 of 40 possible minutes before the foul to win the game and lost. I guess it's the refs fault that they turned the ball over 25 times, only shot 30.4%, and only made three three pointers while getting gangster slapped eight times by Rebecca Henderson - all four of which were apparently major factors that explain why W&L put their selves in the position they were in at the end of the game...

Good point, but Bridgewater didn't play much better (19 turnovers and 35% shooting from the floor).

I think where RELEE.blvd and I disagree is how a ref should call a game. I'm of the opinion that they should call it the same for all 40 minutes. He/she is of the opinion that they should swallow their whistles on a last second play.

It stinks for the team who gets a call made against them, but it stinks even more for a team NOT to get a call made for them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on January 29, 2008, 11:43:58 AM
In the national championship game last year, a Washington U  player tried a 3 to tie it for with a few seconds left; she was smashed across her arm from the side; the ball didn't go anywhere near the basket. It was probably the clearest foul of the game, but there was no call. Game over. I didn't hear a word of griping from Washington U or its coach. She should have been on the line for three and a chance to tie. What excitement and pressure that would have been.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on January 29, 2008, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 29, 2008, 11:43:58 AM
In the national championship game last year, a Washington U  player tried a 3 to tie it for with a few seconds left; she was smashed across her arm from the side; the ball didn't go anywhere near the basket. It was probably the clearest foul of the game, but there was no call. Game over. I didn't hear a word of griping from Washington U or its coach. She should have been on the line for three and a chance to tie. What excitement and pressure that would have been.

That's very unfortunate.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 29, 2008, 05:35:48 PM
"It was probably the clearest foul of the game, but there was no call. Game over. I didn't hear a word of griping from Washington U or its coach. She should have been on the line for three and a chance to tie. What excitement and pressure that would have been. "

In ref to this line of posts, my philosophy is whether the reffing was good, bad or overzealous for whatever reason, it all has happened to each team and it sure will happen to your team at some point if it has not yet happened.

-Heartbreaker of a situation for any player or team to be in, but I think it all washes in the end.

Hopefully much has been learned from this season so far....second half should be somewhat easier. We'll see.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 29, 2008, 06:04:13 PM
There is no doubt that the General's season should be easier from here on out.  The road is a lot less tough.  What that says about the strength of the team - isn't much.  The important thing is to go forward.  Go Generals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 29, 2008, 06:18:39 PM
That didn't sound very positive, and I didn't mean that.  Trounce Guilford!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 30, 2008, 08:16:53 AM
"Go Generals. That didn't sound very positive, and I didn't mean that.  Trounce Guilford!"

generalee- Trounce? done and done- and against Guilford, a team of some note. No question that the gennies are deep & are capable of firing up on both ends of the hardwood.

-"What that says about the strength of the team - isn't much.  The important thing is to go forward. "

The puzzle for me here is that there is alot of talent in each of these players. Maybe the question is team dynamics, though in the last 2 games the offensive flow from the whole team - as a team- was there. I guess problem could be that they are personnel-heavy in the front and back classes, but not so many in Soph & Junior.

Anyway, just a thought... they have the weekend off before E&H comes to our house next Tuesday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 01, 2008, 02:33:06 PM
Feb. 1
VWC at E&H - 7:00 p.m.
RMC at GC - 7:00 p.m.
BC at LC - 7:00 p.m.
EMU at RAND - 7:00 p.m.

Feb. 2
RMC at E&H - 4:00 p.m.
VWC at GC - 4:00 p.m.
RC at HU - 3:00 p.m.
EMU at LC - 5:00 p.m.
BC at RAND - 3:00 p.m.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 01, 2008, 09:10:33 PM
LC defeated the Eagles 66-59

http://www.lynchburg.edu/documents/Athletics/basketball_w/2007-08%20stats/lcwom17.htm
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 01, 2008, 09:34:04 PM
R-MC downs Guilford by 9 at Guilford. I tuned in with about 12 minutes left. Sortly after R-M took a 20 point lead. Suffenly Guilford starts making steals, hitting shots and goes on a 12-0 run. They eventually whittle the lead to 4, but R-M hung on.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 02, 2008, 09:16:53 PM
Well LC put a bruising on EMU today, beating them 66-39. Carolyn Riley, the ODAC's leading scorer, was 0-11 from the field.

http://www.lynchburg.edu/documents/Athletics/basketball_w/2007-08%20stats/lcwom18.htm
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 02, 2008, 09:19:10 PM
Emory & Henry beat Macon 76-68. Yes you read that correctly, the same team that lost to Randolph College beat Randolph-Macon.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 03, 2008, 10:15:15 AM
I have thought for a long time that RMC was over-rated, and I guess the loss to E & H proves it.  There doesn't seem to be an "it" team in the ODAC this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emoryfan on February 04, 2008, 09:10:26 AM
How about them Wasps!  Came close in Ashland during the first meeting, but pulled it out this time!  Big win!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 04, 2008, 02:19:47 PM
The Wasps did have a terrific win over RMC.   It will be interesting to see if they can gain any momentum from this success.  How about Lynchburg's thumping of EMU?  Everybody sure is keeping it interesting!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 04, 2008, 02:31:38 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 04, 2008, 02:19:47 PM
The Wasps did have a terrific win over RMC.   It will be interesting to see if they can gain any momentum from this success.  How about Lynchburg's thumping of EMU?  Everybody sure is keeping it interesting!

The LC win was quite impressive to say the least. They frustrated Riley from tip-off to the very end. Mostly every single shot was from free throw line out, highly contested, or just a poor shot attempt. She couldn't get anything she wanted.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 04, 2008, 03:31:45 PM
Excited about tomorrow's matchup for the Generals with EHC. Wondering what the super sophomores of Emory, VA will bring to the Warner Center after they beat RMC. I guess the biggest thing, as usual, with the Wasps is how they shoot from outside. What allowed Guilford to get back in the game last week was their ability to hit 6 3's in the 2nd half. Everybody knows the Gennies are one of the tallest (if not the tallest) team in the league but are they quick enough to get out to the perimeter. It's very likely that the Warner Center will be at capacity, above-capacity or below capacity crowd on Tuesday...that's my guess.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 04, 2008, 08:43:24 PM
Okay who do you all think is the player of the year?

Brittany Dahn: leads the ODAC inr ebounding by 2 boards a game, second in scoring, 9th fg%, 11th ft%, 9th blocks, 1st defensive/2nd offensive rebounds

Carolyn Riley: 1st scoring, 7th rebounding, 10th fg%, 6th ft%, 12th blocks, 3rd offensive/11th defensive rebounds

Molly Ariail: 3rd scoring, 5th rebounding, 5th fg%, 8th ft%, 7th blocks, 4th defensive/7th offensive rebounds

Heather Phillips: 6th scoring, 3rd rebounding, 13th ft%, 4th blocks, 3rd defensive/4th offensive rebounds


I voted for Dahn, but there is bias there seeing as how I'm an LC guy.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RELEE.Blvd on February 04, 2008, 10:42:03 PM
I'm excited for W&L the rest of the season. I think they have the talent to make a dent in the conference tournament since so many teams will be looking past them.

They have good guards , raw yet talented Big girls under the basket and a very knowledgeable coach. I wouldn't bet against them if they get their inside outside game going.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 05, 2008, 08:51:19 AM
The only reason people would be looking past the Generals is because they have lost many winnable games this year.  Good guards play tough defense even when the shots don't fall; big girls hustle for the rebound everytime; knowledgeable coaches make the pieces work in close games to pull out the win.  W & L has the talented players - do they have the will?  Tonight will be a battle of wills.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gottaluvhoops on February 05, 2008, 03:35:13 PM
Brittany Dahn is an excellent player, I remember watching her two years ago, when I lived out there.  She gets my vote!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 05, 2008, 03:38:28 PM
Quote from: gottaluvhoops on February 05, 2008, 03:35:13 PM
Brittany Dahn is an excellent player, I remember watching her two years ago, when I lived out there.  She gets my vote!

How come she only has one vote then (I voted for her)?! lol
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 05, 2008, 08:49:19 PM
"W & L has the talented players - do they have the will?  Tonight will be a battle of wills."

Fantastic win Generals, what we've been waiting to see all year. Pouring it on in offensive sets & beautiful inside-outside play from Ridenour, Camp, Krouchik and Kane.

AWESOME, LADIES!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 05, 2008, 10:58:38 PM
Great outside shooting (for a team shooting 20% coming into this one) opened up the inside game for the Gennies. Additionally, a season high in assists (many of those going to Kaitlyn Kamp)...you're right Duke, that's exactly what we hoped to see all year...50 points in the first half! Keep it up ladies.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 06, 2008, 09:51:19 AM
Even though we lost, I liked how Bridgewater played No. 4 Mary Washington (at their place) tough during the first half, leading 32-26 with around two minutes to go.

The Eagles have had a rough stretch, losing four of their last six and are under .500 with a 9-10 record. But considering our youth, I see some positives.

In our last four losses (three of which were on the road), we held leads;

- vs. #4 Mary Washington, we were up six (32-26) with 2:25 to play in first half
- vs. Lynchburg, we were up four (43-39) with 6:59 to play in the game
- vs. #19 Randolph-Macon, we were up one (50-49) with 2:01 to play in the game
- vs. Eastern Mennonite, we were up one (52-51) with 8:37 to play in the game

I combined the fouls committed, number of turnovers, and field goal shooting in the four losses after the aforementioned time in the games above, and got this;

Over the last 40 minutes and two seconds of those four games, we committed 31 fouls, turned it over 21 times, and shot 18-of-56 from the field (32%).

Since the first week of January, we've gone 7-5 ... so taking away the four games above where we played well early but lost it late, we've won seven of eight.

We have a very tough stretch coming up, with home games against Guilford and Emory & Henry, two teams battling for the eight and final spot in the ODAC tournament. Then we hit the road to first-place Macon, then come back home against second-place Wesleyan and fifth-place Roanoke. We finish the season against winless Hollins.

I think splitting the final six games, leaving us at 10-10 in the conference, would put us in a good position for the conference tourney (sixth place).

This team reminds me a lot of our 2003-2004 squad, when we had three freshmen (Herr, Scales, Young) getting considerable time. What made us better that year was having three seniors and three juniors also contributing.

In continuing with the 07-08 to 03-04 comparison, I think it bodes well that Herr, Scales, and Childs earned all-conference honors their senior year last year, which I can see being the case with our current freshmen (Burkholder, Booker, Lambert, and Satterfield) over the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 06, 2008, 10:30:22 AM
GenaralFan: "Additionally, a season high in assists (many of those going to Kaitlyn Kamp)"

Not to take anything away from Kamp's great outing last night, but according to the box scores, she had only 1 assist- the props for assists should got to Amanda Kane who had a team high 8 along with one of my favorite players- Bethany Ridenour with I believe- 6 assists.

When I look at the box scores, what really stands out to me is that Kamp had 7 offensive rebounds/10 defensive rebounds. That is what you really needs to see in the inside game- those putbacks & defensive possessions.

W&L had 10 more rebounds than E&H...Whoever out-rebounds usually wins the game.

-Also have to say that E & H's Perry was impressive. She could make her whole salary on that coast-to-coast play that seems to be her specialty.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 06, 2008, 03:22:15 PM
Terrific game Lady Generals!  Kamp was especially exceptionally.  Nice teamwork!  On a side note - aren't the men doing great for W & L?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 06, 2008, 07:26:56 PM
Oops...meant to say most of those assists (passes) went to Kamp, not that she was credited with the assists. It made sense up in the cerebellum but came out all wrong in the metacarpals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 07, 2008, 08:26:21 AM
GeneralFan, sorry- I now see what you were trying to say.

In the 5 position there are no 'great' players without the guards to feed the ball down low. It's a pretty thankless gig, constantly muscling out in traffic, -fouling and getting fouled, for position to get open. But think about it, would Molly Arial be able to make the impact she does without her guards consistently putting that ball into her hands?

Take a look at the FG percentage of the gennie's post players- each have over 50%. As I have said before, the art of feeding the post is all but lost in college play, with guards often ignoring the post in favor of the high-glory outside 3, (which I will say was also falling for the gennies this last game).  Much of the reason for Kamp's awesome night is just that- the number of passes (-assists)  the guards got in to her.

Wasn't it John Wooden who said "I'm not looking for great players, just for players to make the team great." IMO, team dynamic is all. In my experience sometimes that can be sometimes more dicey in the college women's game. I'm just glad to see it starting to gel here, even if it is later than we had hoped.

'Teamwork' is the key here.  As a matter of fact, if you look at the men's results, I think that is what is giving the Men's team such a great season. Their senior leadership is really paying it forward for them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 07, 2008, 09:02:22 AM
Carolyn Riley is averaging just 10.6 points on 34-91 (37.4%) shooting agianst the Top 5 ODAC teams (Macon, VWC, LC, Roanoke, BC) along with shooting 29-36 from FT, 7.1 rebounds, .3 assists, 3.1 turnovers, .85 blocks, and 1.7 steals. And three people have voted her for POY?!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2008, 10:21:23 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 07, 2008, 09:02:22 AM
Carolyn Riley is averaging just 10.6 points on 34-91 (37.4%) shooting agianst the Top 5 ODAC teams (Macon, VWC, LC, Roanoke, BC) along with shooting 29-36 from FT, 7.1 rebounds, .3 assists, 3.1 turnovers, .85 blocks, and 1.7 steals. And three people have voted her for POY?!

I'm one of those votes. As I said before, I've seen all four players in person. I was most impressed with Riley. I'm sure others in the conference have more impressive stats.

Speaking of pulling out stats that hurts someone's case for POTY;

Brittany Dahn in loss to BC: 5-of-17 shooting, 7 turnovers
Brittany Dahn in loss to VWC: 2-of-10 shooting
Brittany Dahn in loss to R-MC: 6-of-18 shooting, 5 turnovers

I only looked in five Lynchburg box scores. I'm sure there are other examples.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 07, 2008, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2008, 10:21:23 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 07, 2008, 09:02:22 AM
Carolyn Riley is averaging just 10.6 points on 34-91 (37.4%) shooting agianst the Top 5 ODAC teams (Macon, VWC, LC, Roanoke, BC) along with shooting 29-36 from FT, 7.1 rebounds, .3 assists, 3.1 turnovers, .85 blocks, and 1.7 steals. And three people have voted her for POY?!

I'm one of those votes. As I said before, I've seen all four players in person. I was most impressed with Riley. I'm sure others in the conference have more impressive stats.

Speaking of pulling out stats that hurts someone's case for POTY;

Brittany Dahn in loss to BC: 5-of-17 shooting, 7 turnovers
Brittany Dahn in loss to VWC: 2-of-10 shooting
Brittany Dahn in loss to R-MC: 6-of-18 shooting, 5 turnovers

I only looked in five Lynchburg box scores. I'm sure there are other examples.

Dahn isn't shooting well against the Top 5, but she still gets her points and does a lot of other things to make up for the lackluster shooting. She is averaging 16.1 points (significantly better than Riley) on 44-127 (35%) - slightly worse than Riley - shooting with 39-53 (74%) from the free throw line. She is also averaging 12.1 rebounds (5 boards per game better than Riley), 3.6 assists, 3.3 TOs, 1.0 blocks, and 1.4 steals. Looks like to me Dahn still gets her production even on an off shooting night while Riley's production seems to dip when she is cold from the field. Riley is a good player, but Riley went 0-11 from the field and finished with just 4 points against LC. In my book, a POY doesn't go 0-fer in any ODAC game, much less an important ODAC game, and I have to say it was one of the least impressive single-game performances I've seen from any POY candidate in years, both on the men's and women's side.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2008, 11:18:08 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 07, 2008, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2008, 10:21:23 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 07, 2008, 09:02:22 AM
Carolyn Riley is averaging just 10.6 points on 34-91 (37.4%) shooting agianst the Top 5 ODAC teams (Macon, VWC, LC, Roanoke, BC) along with shooting 29-36 from FT, 7.1 rebounds, .3 assists, 3.1 turnovers, .85 blocks, and 1.7 steals. And three people have voted her for POY?!

I'm one of those votes. As I said before, I've seen all four players in person. I was most impressed with Riley. I'm sure others in the conference have more impressive stats.

Speaking of pulling out stats that hurts someone's case for POTY;

Brittany Dahn in loss to BC: 5-of-17 shooting, 7 turnovers
Brittany Dahn in loss to VWC: 2-of-10 shooting
Brittany Dahn in loss to R-MC: 6-of-18 shooting, 5 turnovers

I only looked in five Lynchburg box scores. I'm sure there are other examples.

Dahn isn't shooting well against the Top 5, but she still gets her points and does a lot of other things to make up for the lackluster shooting. She is averaging 16.1 points (significantly better than Riley) on 44-127 (35%) - slightly worse than Riley - shooting with 39-53 (74%) from the free throw line. She is also averaging 12.1 rebounds (5 boards per game better than Riley), 3.6 assists, 3.3 TOs, 1.0 blocks, and 1.4 steals. Looks like to me Dahn still gets her production even on an off shooting night while Riley's production seems to dip when she is cold from the field. Riley is a good player, but Riley went 0-11 from the field and finished with just 4 points against LC. In my book, a POY doesn't go 0-fer in any ODAC game, much less an important ODAC game, and I have to say it was one of the least impressive single-game performances I've seen from any POY candidate in years, both on the men's and women's side.

You're basing your opinion of Riley off one game (and a game you happen to see). So an "o-fer" game, especially in conference, shouldn't happen to a POY candidiate?

On January 20, 2007, Roanoke lost to Virginia Wesleyan, 67-51. Erin Hanson went 0-for-12 from the field. I think most of us admit she was the best player in the conference last season. Oh, and she averaged 3.8 turnovers a game that year - hardly POY worthy (in your eyes).

I will say that Riley needs to realize she isn't a three-point shooter. That is what's killing her FG%. She has hit only 4-of-34 from behind the arc. She has excellent handles and plays best with her back to the basket, so I think if she took more advantage of that, her stats would look better.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 07, 2008, 07:59:53 PM
Let's get some All-ODAC talking here now. Remember, there are 6 players on each team this year, that rule started last year I believe.

First Team (in no particular order)
Heather Phillips
Carolyn Riley
Molly Ariail
Brittany Dahn
Lindasy Riesbeck
Amanda Hiltunen

Second Team
Sarah Petty
Kristina Darby
Jordan Burkholder
Jordan Gholson
Ebony Dennis
Torri Bridge

Honorable Mention
Michelle Brockman
Tonia Jones
Dana Esposito
Jolene Kratz
Katie Rechnitzer
Kristen Krouchick

POY: Brittany Dahn ;)

FOY: Jordan Burkholder. I'd like to go Brockman here, but Burkholder is putting up big numbers on a better team...

COY: Stephanie Tobey - Picked to finish 8th, sitting in 4th place right now, so I have to say that should definitely put her in the running for this award.


Debate it, I certainly know it's not as informed as my men's ODAC picks would be...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 07, 2008, 09:43:35 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 07, 2008, 07:59:53 PM
Let's get some All-ODAC talking here now. Remember, there are 6 players on each team this year, that rule started last year I believe.

First Team (in no particular order)
Heather Phillips
Carolyn Riley
Molly Ariail
Brittany Dahn
Lindasy Riesbeck
Amanda Hiltunen

Second Team
Sarah Petty
Kristina Darby
Jordan Burkholder
Jordan Gholson
Ebony Dennis
Torri Bridge

Honorable Mention
Michelle Brockman
Tonia Jones
Dana Esposito
Jolene Kratz
Katie Rechnitzer
Kristen Krouchick

POY: Brittany Dahn ;)

FOY: Jordan Burkholder. I'd like to go Brockman here, but Burkholder is putting up big numbers on a better team...

COY: Stephanie Tobey - Picked to finish 8th, sitting in 4th place right now, so I have to say that should definitely put her in the running for this award.


Debate it, I certainly know it's not as informed as my men's ODAC picks would be...

I think you have most of the honors nailed. I'd go with Riley or Ariail over Dahn for POY, but I'm sure all three will get votes.

Becca Henderson from Bridgewater may earn honorable mention (she leads the league in blocks per game at 2.58). Also, I would add Jordan Gholson from Roanoke to your FOY list with Burkholder and Brockman. Gholson is putting up impressive numbers too (9.5 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 2.1 bpg, 47 FG%).

This has been a fantastic year of ODAC women's basketball. Of the top eight teams (RMC, VWC, EMC, LC, RC, BC, W&L, and GC), all eight have won at least one game against the top five. So the tournament should be very competitive from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 09, 2008, 10:53:08 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 06, 2008, 09:51:19 AM
[...]

We have a very tough stretch coming up, with home games against Guilford and Emory & Henry, two teams battling for the eight and final spot in the ODAC tournament. Then we hit the road to first-place Macon, then come back home against second-place Wesleyan and fifth-place Roanoke. We finish the season against winless Hollins.

I think splitting the final six games, leaving us at 10-10 in the conference, would put us in a good position for the conference tourney (sixth place).

[...]

Two games down, and two ugly wins. We have to shoot better if we want to have a chance against R-MC and VWC next week. The Eagles shot 31% from the floor in the 11-point win over Guilford, and then hit only 33% of our field goals tonight in the 16-point victory over E&H.

What kept us from losing those two games was our defense, with the Quakers shooting only 30% from the floor and the Wasps only 29%. We also forced those teams into a combined 47 turnovers.

One thing I have noticed is that we don't have as many assists as we usually do. In the last three games, we've tallied 7, 9, and 7. We were averaging 12.4 dimes a contest prior to those games. Some of that has to do with waiting until late in the shot clock to put up a shot (which usually means someone taking it one-on-one), but also we've been missing a lot of layups and short jumpers as of late.

As I've said before, the coaching staff has done a terrific job molding these 11 underclassmen in with the three juniors and one senior. I've seen six of the last eight games, and I'm finding it harder and harder to tell who is a freshman and who is a senior. That's a good sign.

I'm looking forward to the Macon and Wesleyan games. We did a nice job on Ariail (5-of-15 FGs, 3 TO) and Phillips (6-of-17 FGs, 4 TO) the first time we played them. Both teams really only use seven-man rotations, and it was really the three-point plays by two players (Marlins' Jameson and Jackets' Childress) that killed us late. They combined for 5-of-7 from behind the arc, hitting all five with under 12 minutes left in the two games. So even though we were helping out on Ariail and Phillips, we were leaving open three-point shooters. We'll need to recover more quickly.

Should be a fun week!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 10, 2008, 03:19:41 PM
Week after week,  the Eagles seem to be improving.  They certainly are making the Generals' job of getting to the tournament a lot easier!  Their coaches are really bringing the team along.  The Generals hung with Roanoke for the first half, but then sputtered.  It was interesting to see that after 19 games the Ridenhour girl finally gets the start - after leading in almost every statistical category.  Nothing against the Long girl - she will be great with more experience. But why not go with your veterans first - as long as they are fully qualified?  Just a question.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 11, 2008, 02:13:36 PM
Feb. 12  7:00 PM  Bridgewater   Randolph-Macon     
              7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Virginia Wesleyan     
              7:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Guilford     
              7:00 PM  Roanoke   Emory & Henry 
   
Feb. 15  7:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Lynchburg 

Some interesting match-ups coming.  I'm really curious how the Bridgewater / RMC game will play out.  Any more ideas?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 11, 2008, 02:20:47 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 11, 2008, 02:13:36 PM
Feb. 12  7:00 PM  Bridgewater   Randolph-Macon     
              7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Virginia Wesleyan     
              7:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Guilford     
              7:00 PM  Roanoke   Emory & Henry 
   
Feb. 15  7:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Lynchburg 

Some interesting match-ups coming.  I'm really curious how the Bridgewater / RMC game will play out.  Any more ideas?

With the way BC has been shooting all season, they might just shoot theirselves out of the game. They only ahve 5 wins when shooting over 40%, and three of those wins were agianst Randolph College, Guilford, and Emory & Henry. If they do that against RMC, I don't see the Eagles having much if any chance to win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 11, 2008, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 11, 2008, 02:20:47 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 11, 2008, 02:13:36 PM
Feb. 12  7:00 PM  Bridgewater   Randolph-Macon     
              7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Virginia Wesleyan     
              7:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Guilford     
              7:00 PM  Roanoke   Emory & Henry 
   
Feb. 15  7:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Lynchburg 

Some interesting match-ups coming.  I'm really curious how the Bridgewater / RMC game will play out.  Any more ideas?

With the way BC has been shooting all season, they might just shoot theirselves out of the game. They only ahve 5 wins when shooting over 40%, and three of those wins were agianst Randolph College, Guilford, and Emory & Henry. If they do that against RMC, I don't see the Eagles having much if any chance to win.

You're right on with that. Honestly, we should have no chance against anyone in the ODAC when shooting sub-.350 from the field.

Even with our shooting woes, we're still 9-7 in the ODAC and poised to play anyone tough in the first round of the tournament. Why? Defense.

We're third in the conference in opponent FG% (behind RMC and VWC), first in steals, and first in blocks. When you put up those kind of numbers on one side of the court, you have a chance to win any night no matter what happens on the other side.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 11, 2008, 03:56:27 PM
"[if you play defense] you have a chance to win any night no matter what happens on the other side."

Matt, I'm glad you're back this year to provide your insightful comments again this year.

"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what makes them the biggest guys on the field."  --- John Madden
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 12, 2008, 04:33:05 PM
Here's some food for thought folks:

I took the top four women's basketball candidates: Riley, Ariail, Dahn and Phillips, and I put their stats through the NBA efficency rating formula...the formula is ((pts+rbs+assts+blks+steals)-(FGA-FGM)+(FTA-FTM)+TO))...the results were Dahn 376, Riley 345, Ariail 342 and Phillips 321.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mamadukes on February 12, 2008, 09:25:22 PM
Great win for RMC tonight over the BW Eagles. According to the radio guy, Stein had a great defensive game off the bench.  :D
Do only eight of the ODAC teams make it to the tournament?
If so, it's anybody's guess as to who will come out on top.
Tough Conference!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 13, 2008, 10:18:56 AM
Another convincing win over Guilford by the Generals.  Surprising performance by Kane!  Great job Generals.  Going with the veterans now is paying hugh dividends.  Oh what might have been....  Tough luck for the Bridgewater Eagles - they almost pulled it off.  What was up with Lynchburg??
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 13, 2008, 12:14:55 PM
The Generals are poised to finish the season strong.  With the parity in the ODAC now, they could possibly go deep in the tournament, too.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 13, 2008, 02:40:58 PM
whitecalyxx:
"Another convincing win over Guilford by the Generals.  Surprising performance by Kane!  Great job Generals.  Going with the veterans now is paying hugh dividends.  Oh what might have been.... "

Didn't make the game, but listened to it online. Yes; IMO, though the freshmen are deep in talent there was sure some 'deer in the headlights' pressure on them in first half of the season.

One of my favorite players-Ridenour, was really lighting it up in the first half last night, shooting 50% from the floor & draining 4 of 7 -3 pointers. That young lady has hustle and heart, plays with a lot of intensity. Then Kane caught the same fire in the second half with 5 of 8 & finishing with her career-high 26 points. The Gennies were near unstoppable last night with 12- three point shots and a well integrated game with the outside game again opening it up for the inside game.

Wolff & Krouchick as usual, were threats from almost any position on the floor. Kristin is as clutch as they come & Kamp is putting in a consistent & solid performance as center crashing the boards & contributing points. For the freshmen, Herman has an outside shot & nice soft touch on the ball (with the highest FG percentage on the team) & is an intimidating presence down low & ...though IMO she could develop to be more of a power forward if she can stay out of foul trouble as she matures, with Kait Kamp & Harper in as the as true 5's. Long had some nice games earlier in the season. Nice FT shooter and pretty good handles.

The senior leadership is starting to drive the intensity on this team. The Gennies seem to be peaking at the right time with the ODAC tournament just around the corner.

We'll see how they do at home against EMU this weekend.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gottaluvhoops on February 13, 2008, 04:38:53 PM
I just voted for Brittany.  Sorry I forgot last time at my old age!   ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 15, 2008, 09:07:32 PM
Big win for the Hornets tonight, defeating a surging Emory & Henry squad 67-63 for a comeback win.

http://www.lynchburg.edu/documents/Athletics/basketball_w/2007-08%20stats/lcwom21.htm
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 17, 2008, 09:26:20 AM
Just when I think the Generals are turning it around, they get spanked again.  There has been no quality win all season.  (RMC, VWC, EMU, LC)  The closest has been against RC, and that was without Hanson.  The team must finish well for good seeding! Kristen Krouchick is coming alive with a solid end.  She will be missed.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 18, 2008, 08:46:56 AM
Feb. 19 
   7:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Eastern Mennonite     
   7:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Guilford     
   7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Randolph     
   7:00 PM  Roanoke   Bridgewater     
   7:00 PM  Hollins   Washington & Lee
     
Feb. 22 
   7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Randolph-Macon     
   7:00 PM  Guilford   Randolph     
   7:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Roanoke     
   7:00 PM  Bridgewater   Hollins     
   7:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Emory & Henry
     
Feb. 23 
  12:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Hollins     
   3:00 PM  Roanoke   Randolph     
   4:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Virginia Wesleyan     
   5:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Lynchburg     
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 18, 2008, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 18, 2008, 08:46:56 AM
Feb. 19 
   7:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Eastern Mennonite     
   7:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Guilford     
   7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Randolph     
   7:00 PM  Roanoke   Bridgewater     
   7:00 PM  Hollins   Washington & Lee
     
Feb. 22 
   7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Randolph-Macon     
   7:00 PM  Guilford   Randolph     
   7:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Roanoke     
   7:00 PM  Bridgewater   Hollins     
   7:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Emory & Henry
     
Feb. 23 
  12:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Hollins     
   3:00 PM  Roanoke   Randolph     
   4:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Virginia Wesleyan     
   5:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Lynchburg     


Looks like the ODAC is really putting the pressure on EMU in order for them to finish 3rd! Appears that VWC has to win their game on the 23rd to ensure full-proof that they will finish in 1st. The 4/5 seed, although it means essentially nothing for the ODAC tournament aside from laundry, could be real interesting this week.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 18, 2008, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 18, 2008, 08:55:39 AMLooks like the ODAC is really putting the pressure on EMU in order for them to finish 3rd! Appears that VWC has to win their game on the 23rd to ensure full-proof that they will finish in 1st. The 4/5 seed, although it means essentially nothing for the ODAC tournament aside from laundry, could be real interesting this week.

My Eagles finished the regular season 0-6 against the top three teams, and are currently 7-0 versus the bottom four. We can make it 8-0 with a season-finale win against Hollins, and hopefully this Tuesday we can keep Roanoke from sweeping us and making BC 0-8 against the top four teams.

I still like our chances in the tournament, especially since we lost all six games against VWC/RMC/EMU by less than 10 points. Our only double-digit conference loss this year was against Roanoke. Lots to play for on Tuesday, with revenge against the Maroons, and a chance to lock up the sixth seed and a likely first round game against the Royals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 18, 2008, 12:32:21 PM
I started to get on white caylxx to be more upbeat.  Then I read the "kid"s post.  Sometimes the facts are just the facts.  While I do hope that the General's win their remaining games, I have to accept their win / loss record.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 19, 2008, 08:56:35 PM
EMU's Carolyn Riley is POY.  Someone earlier mentioned she doesn't show up in big games.  Look no further then EMU defeating RMC tonight.  Carolyn scores 25 pts, grabs 10 boards and goes 11-11 from the FT line.  CLUTCH.

BTW: RMC never led in this game

Nice win EMU!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mamadukes on February 19, 2008, 09:42:09 PM
EMU 79 over Randolph Macon 74
Bridgewater loses to Roanoke 52-49

Salem is going to be WILD!

Any hope of webcasts?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gogenerals04 on February 20, 2008, 09:40:23 AM
Quote from: mamadukes on February 19, 2008, 09:42:09 PM
Salem is going to be WILD!

Any hope of webcasts?

All Washington and Lee games will air on the campus station, WLUR. The free webcast is available at http://wlur.wlu.edu. You need RealPlayer (also free) to listen.

I believe Virginia Wesleyan, Bridgewater and Guilford will also have webcasts of any ODAC Tournament games. And the conference is planning to provide videocasts of the semifinals and championship again.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 20, 2008, 10:29:47 AM
Terrific job EMU - what a great win!  Bridgewater suffered a big heartbreak!  What happened?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 20, 2008, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 20, 2008, 10:29:47 AM
Bridgewater suffered a big heartbreak!  What happened?

We couldn't hold onto a lead, and played pretty poor down the stretch.

Our last lead was 46-44 with around five minutes to go in the game. After that, we made 1-of-9 from the field, 1-of-3 from the charity stripe, and turned the ball over two times.

Like I mentioned before this game, we're now 0-8 versus the top four teams, having lost all eight in single digits. I think we'll still be a formidable sixth seed.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 20, 2008, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 20, 2008, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 20, 2008, 10:29:47 AM
Bridgewater suffered a big heartbreak!  What happened?

Like I mentioned before this game, we're now 0-8 versus the top four teams

1-9, actually, since LC and Roanoke are tied for fourth right now.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 21, 2008, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 20, 2008, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 20, 2008, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 20, 2008, 10:29:47 AM
Bridgewater suffered a big heartbreak!  What happened?

Like I mentioned before this game, we're now 0-8 versus the top four teams

1-9, actually, since LC and Roanoke are tied for fourth right now.

Didn't Lynchburg get swept by Roanoke? If I'm correct, that would make Roanoke No. 4 and Lynchburg No. 5.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 21, 2008, 08:55:36 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 21, 2008, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 20, 2008, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 20, 2008, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 20, 2008, 10:29:47 AM
Bridgewater suffered a big heartbreak!  What happened?

Like I mentioned before this game, we're now 0-8 versus the top four teams

1-9, actually, since LC and Roanoke are tied for fourth right now.

Didn't Lynchburg get swept by Roanoke? If I'm correct, that would make Roanoke No. 4 and Lynchburg No. 5.

they are still tied for fourth, look at the standings...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 21, 2008, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 21, 2008, 08:55:36 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 21, 2008, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 20, 2008, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 20, 2008, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 20, 2008, 10:29:47 AM
Bridgewater suffered a big heartbreak!  What happened?

Like I mentioned before this game, we're now 0-8 versus the top four teams

1-9, actually, since LC and Roanoke are tied for fourth right now.

Didn't Lynchburg get swept by Roanoke? If I'm correct, that would make Roanoke No. 4 and Lynchburg No. 5.

they are still tied for fourth, look at the standings...

How cute ... you're trying hard for your Hornets. :)

How about I rephrase my earlier post...

Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid)Like I mentioned before this game, we're now 0-8 versus the four teams who, if the tournament started today, would be the top four seeds, having lost all eight in single digits. I think we'll still be a formidable sixth seed.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 21, 2008, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 21, 2008, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 21, 2008, 08:55:36 AM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 21, 2008, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 20, 2008, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 20, 2008, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 20, 2008, 10:29:47 AM
Bridgewater suffered a big heartbreak!  What happened?

Like I mentioned before this game, we're now 0-8 versus the top four teams

1-9, actually, since LC and Roanoke are tied for fourth right now.

Didn't Lynchburg get swept by Roanoke? If I'm correct, that would make Roanoke No. 4 and Lynchburg No. 5.

they are still tied for fourth, look at the standings...

How cute ... you're trying hard for your Hornets. :)

How about I rephrase my earlier post...

Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid)Like I mentioned before this game, we're now 0-8 versus the four teams who, if the tournament started today, would be the top four seeds, having lost all eight in single digits. I think we'll still be a formidable sixth seed.

Regardless of rather a team is seeded 4th or 5th, if you are tied for 4th place in the standings you are tied for 4th place in the standings.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 08:20:32 PM
And since there's no homecourt advantage it's of minimal impact on the tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 21, 2008, 09:25:41 PM
LC now has live stats, barring any unforeseen problems, the livestats will be available at the following URL for fridays game against macon and saturdays game against the generals.

http://livestats.lynchburg.edu/

Since we've only run it live for one game (did well for last nights mens game!), feedback will be helpful.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 22, 2008, 12:10:27 PM
Feb. 22 
   7:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Lynchburg     
   7:00 PM  Guilford   Randolph     
   7:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Roanoke     
   7:00 PM  Bridgewater   Hollins     
   7:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Emory & Henry
     
Feb. 23 

   12:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Hollins     
   3:00 PM  Roanoke   Randolph     
   4:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Virginia Wesleyan     
   5:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Lynchburg     

Predictions??
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 22, 2008, 12:23:15 PM
Feb. 22 
Randolph-Macon   Lynchburg - If LC can stay out of foul trouble and play good defense, I believe we'll have a good chance of winning when you consider that Ariail is getting benched and receiving limited minutes now
Guilford   Randolph - Randolph has a decent chance
Eastern Mennonite   Roanoke - an EMU win will really help LC's chances of being the 4 seed, not that it matters much, but I'd like to see LC be #4 instead of #5. Of course, if EMU loses twice and LC wins twice, there is a slight chance LC will be 3rd but more likely 4th and facing EMU, which is a better match up for LC than Roanoke.
Bridgewater   Hollins
Washington & Lee   Emory & Henry - Emory & Henry has been very surprising this year, and that Petty girl is a triple-double waiting to happen!
     
Feb. 23 
Randolph-Macon   Hollins
Roanoke   Randolph - Could be closer than expected, but Randolph has no one to guard Hanson
Eastern Mennonite   Virginia Wesleyan - Potentially a VERY important game, if EMU wins both of their remaining games, they are the #1 seed because they will have beaten VWC twice.
Washington & Lee   Lynchburg - I fear a possible letdown here, especially if LC gets the big win over Macon tonight...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 22, 2008, 12:53:45 PM
Randolph-Macon over Lynchburg--Seems like Hiltunen and Riesbeck are getting more shots off and the offense is spread around more for the Jackets.

Washington and Lee over EHC--I know the Wasps have been successful in pulling off the upsets this season but the generals did a good job in neutralizing the players that weren't named Lyons or Petty in Lexington. Getting those other players involved in the scoring seems to be the key to success for EHC.

BC over Hollins. Really wish hollins had been more competitive this year. Having Nicole Grant for only 8 games this year really hurt HU.

Ronaoke over EMU--Tough pick. But Roanoke really played well without two of their top players in the first matchup (Gholson and Hanson), losing only by 3 at Yoder. Gholson will play physical with Kratz and I like the matchup of E. Dennis and Jaleesa Osbourne (one of the quickest guards in the ODAC). Nailbiter.

Guilford over Randolph. This one, like STH said, could be close. Randolph laid the wood to my Gennies back at the Warner Center. Nevertheless, the Quakers need this one badly to improve their chances at the tourny.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 22, 2008, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on February 22, 2008, 12:23:15 PM
Feb. 22 
Randolph-Macon   Lynchburg -  Ariail is getting benched and receiving limited minutes now

I've noticed in the past few box scores that she hasn't been starting. But your statement suggests that there is more to it than simply not starting. Care to enlighten?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 22, 2008, 07:52:08 PM
Let's see - Arial doesn't start against EMU - enough said.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 22, 2008, 10:42:20 PM
What's the tie breaker to determine tournament seeding for a 3 way tie in regular season play?  Appears to be a possibility if EMU beats VWC tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 22, 2008, 10:50:27 PM
assumming RMC beats hollins and roanoke beats randolph, 4 scenarios for the final standings exist:

1. Virginia Wesleyan   17   3
2. Randolph-Macon   16   4
3. Eastern Mennonite   15   5
tie-4. Lynchburg   13   7
tie-4. Roanoke   13   7
6. Bridgewater   10   10
7. Washington and Lee   8   12
8. Emory and Henry   7   13

1. Virginia Wesleyan   17   3
2. Randolph-Macon   16   4
3. Eastern Mennonite   15   5
4. Roanoke   13   7
5. Lynchburg   12   8
6. Bridgewater   10   10
7. Washington and Lee   9   11
8. Emory and Henry   7   13

tie-1. Virginia Wesleyan   16   4
tie-1. Eastern Mennonite   16   4
tie-1. Randolph-Macon   16   4
tie-4. Lynchburg   13   7
tie-4. Roanoke   13   7
6. Bridgewater   10   10
7. Washington and Lee   8   12
8. Emory and Henry   7   13

tie-1. Virginia Wesleyan   16   4
tie-1. Eastern Mennonite   16   4
tie-1. Randolph-Macon   16   4
4. Roanoke   13   7
5. Lynchburg   12   8
6. Bridgewater   10   10
7. Washington and Lee   8   12
8. Emory and Henry   7   13

Basically LC is going to be the 5th seed and Roanoke is going to be the 4th seed regardless of what happens tomorrow, unless Randolph pulls off a big upset over Roanoke and CL wins, then Lc is the 4th and Roanoke the 5th. The only difference will be seeds 1-3. If VWC wins, they are 1, RMC is 2, and EMU is 3. If EMU wins, there is a three-way tie, and EMU will likely win the #1 seed because they would have beat VWC twice and RMC once, and VWC will likely be the #2 seed because they would have beat RMC twice.

If VWC wins, all things are simplified...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 23, 2008, 10:28:20 AM
Here's my final All-ODAC stuff

First Team
Brittany Dahn, LC
Molly Ariail, RMC
Lindsay Riesbeck, RMC
Sarah Petty, E&H
Heather Phillips, VWC
Carolyn Riley, EMU

Second Team
Ebony Dennis, EMU
Jordan Burkholder, BC
Kristen Krouchick, W&L
Jordan Gholson, RC
Tonia Jones, VWC
Amanda Hiltunen, RMC

Honorable Mention
Lindsay Cross, Rand.
Alex Lyons, E&H
Kristina Darby, LC
Jolene Kratz, EMU
Dana Esposito, LC
Tracey Croner, GC

Player of the Year - Brittany Dahn, LC - I'm sure she won't get it, but I still think she is the best

Freshman of the Year - Jordan Burkholder, BC - Touch pick between her and Gholson

Coach of the Year - Stephanie Tobey, LC - Picked to finish eighth and will finish either tied for 4th place or alone in 5th, doing it without one single junior or senior on the team!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 24, 2008, 01:03:30 AM
STH-What were your thoughts on the officiating today? I thought the Generals were given some leeway in hacking the Hornets' guards yet it seemed like a streak of bad ones going the way of the Red and White really hurt the Generals chances for a V.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on February 24, 2008, 09:29:19 AM
I'm an assistant sports information director, I don't comment on refs on a message board.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 24, 2008, 09:38:17 AM
General Fan - It seems whenever the Generals lose a tight game, they question the refs.  What about the 26 turnovers?  What about continuing to shoot 3's (last 2 games) when they are not working?  Two overtime losses in a row, especially when you had a good lead, doesn't speak to ref problems.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GeneralFan on February 24, 2008, 01:26:08 PM
My dear whitecalyxx:

Just wanted to clarify some points you made:

1) The generals did not have but two leads in the entire game (when Nadeau hit two on the line in OT and when Kane hit one of two a little later in OT). Therefore, other than the E&H game, I'm not quite sure of the big lead of which you speak.

2) Check my posts and all others by fellow "Generals" and you'd be much better served than making blanket statements like "the Generals...they question the refs." Stereotyping all "Generals" really serves you well.

3) If you look back at my previous post, you will see that I didn't question for just W&L but said the refs were poor for both teams and specifically played a role down the stretch. Additionally, did I say that the referees were to blame for the generals loss or are you simply assuming I meant it? I simply posed a question to the Lynchburg fans/SIDs and wanted to get their side of the story.

Now, I agree, the generals have continually been plagued with forcing balls into traffic and racking up the TOs. I agree that shooting the three when you're near the bottom of the ODAC in 3 percentage is unwise. The generals have problems: they're 9-16 for crying out loud! But does 26 turnovers and poor outside shooting mean that the referees couldn't have negatively influenced the game? No it doesn't.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 24, 2008, 02:08:18 PM
General Fan - I was refering to the E & H game when I mentioned "big lead".  And if you look back over some of the posts - Burglary in Bridgewater - for one - you can see there is sometimes a pattern of blaming the refs.   There was no need to be sarcastic.  I think we both wanted the Generals to take these last 2 games going into the tournament to give them a competitive edge. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: pa.fanoftheodac on February 24, 2008, 06:07:38 PM
As a fan of the ODAC from Pennsylvania and especially RMC, I have to respond to whitecalyxx. Molly Ariail was not benched. Against Randolph, seniors started on senior night.  The night before the Eastern Mennonite game Molly spent the entire night in the emergency room and got back to school around 8am. With no sleep she played anyway. Enough said!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 24, 2008, 07:49:33 PM
Posts previously atrributed to Scottie Too Hottie are now attributed to mybleedinghands. What's going on?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on February 24, 2008, 08:21:34 PM
Quote from: pa.fanoftheodac on February 24, 2008, 06:07:38 PM
As a fan of the ODAC from Pennsylvania and especially RMC, I have to respond to whitecalyxx. Molly Ariail was not benched. Against Randolph, seniors started on senior night.  The night before the Eastern Mennonite game Molly spent the entire night in the emergency room and got back to school around 8am. With no sleep she played anyway. Enough said!!!!

Thanks for the clarification, PA. Glad whitecalyxx was off base - I'd heard good things about the Arial kid and didn't want to believe she'd done something inappropriate to get benched.  Whitecalyxx, assuming PA's info is accurate - sounds like you need to check your facts next time and not make incorrect assumptions and inaccurate posts.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 25, 2008, 08:32:45 AM
Odacfan99 - I NEVER said she was benched.  My implication was that the team LOST without her starting.  RMC would not be near as successful without Arial.  If I was unclear, I'm sorry. I guess that's the trouble with posting - you can't judge the intent.  YOU check your facts!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on February 25, 2008, 09:37:04 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 25, 2008, 08:32:45 AM
Odacfan99 - I NEVER said she was benched.  My implication was that the team LOST without her starting.  RMC would not be near as successful without Arial.  If I was unclear, I'm sorry. I guess that's the trouble with posting - you can't judge the intent.  YOU check your facts!!

Whitecaylxx, my apologies to you ;).  I went back and read the string of postings and found out that it was Scottie Too Hottie a.k.a. Mybleedinghands who made the comment that Arial was benched.  Shame on me for my mistake but bigger shame on Scottie/Bleedinghands for making a bad assumption about the reason Arial was sitting.  And he (she) is supposedly an assistant SID who won't comment on officials but passes off as fact his assumptions about a player?  Shame on him (her)......

Sorry again Whitecay.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 26, 2008, 11:21:44 AM
Thanks odacfan99.  Now, on to the good stuff:

Feb. 28
 
   1:00 PM  Virginia Wesleyan   Emory & Henry       

   3:00 PM  Lynchburg   Roanoke       

   6:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Randolph-Macon       

   8:00 PM  Bridgewater   Eastern Mennonite   

Predictions??   

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 26, 2008, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 26, 2008, 11:21:44 AMFeb. 28
 
   1:00 PM  Virginia Wesleyan   Emory & Henry       

   3:00 PM  Lynchburg   Roanoke       

   6:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Randolph-Macon       

   8:00 PM  Bridgewater   Eastern Mennonite   

Predictions??

VWC over E&H - How bad the Marlins win depends on what Wasp team shows up. The one that beat RMC and EMU during the regular season? Or the one that lost to Randolph and Guilford? The Wasps are only 2-10 on the road this year, and VWC has the best defense in the league.

RC over LC - It's nice when you get win without the reigning POTY. Hanson didn't play in the Maroons win over VWC and two-point loss to RMC, as well as the last win over Lynchburg. I have a feeling if Hanson plays decent, then RC will roll.

RMC over W&L - The Jackets have three deadly three-point shooters, and they take care of the ball (second in the conference in TO margin). The Generals are better rebounders, but not by much. I think RMC is too talented top to bottom for W&L to keep up.

BC over EMU - I think BC plays best when they play through their bigs, if it's at the top of the key or down on the block. It opens up three-point opportunities and cutters. EMU has still played well without starting guard Tara Jones, and I don't think anyone on BC's team can guard -- who I think is the POTY -- Carolyn Riley, so this won't be an easy. The Eagles will limit turnovers and play smart for the victory.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gcalum on February 27, 2008, 10:49:34 AM
It is disappointing to see Guilford near the bottom of the ODAC and not making it into the tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 27, 2008, 11:14:52 AM
VWC over E & H:  Defense will win the game.

RC over LC:  Coach Dunagan has her seniors and underclassmen clicking.  Experience should overcome Lynchburg.

RMC over W & L:  If W & L were to win a game against a top team, I think this would be the one.  But I agree, RMC takes care of the ball.

BC over EMU:  I believe this is a tougher one than you would think.  Coach Willi has really brought her young, inexperienced team along.  She could pull off the upset.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 27, 2008, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 26, 2008, 11:21:44 AM
Thanks odacfan99.  Now, on to the good stuff:

Feb. 28
 
   1:00 PM  Virginia Wesleyan   Emory & Henry       

   3:00 PM  Lynchburg   Roanoke       

   6:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Randolph-Macon       

   8:00 PM  Bridgewater   Eastern Mennonite   

Predictions??   


I'm picking:
VWC - E&H played them close at home, but I don't think they can keep up with them again.
LC - Roanoke is ALWAYS tough come tourney time, but I'm going with the younger team and figuring LC has Roanoke's number this time.  I'm picking an upset here.
RMC - Won't be easy, if RMC doesn't bring their A game, this will be a tough one.
EMU/BC - hummmm - this is a toss up for me.  BC always seems to step at this time of year but if Riley can't be shut down, I think EMU will take this.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 28, 2008, 08:45:11 AM
 

2008 ODAC WOMEN'S BASKETBALL ALL-CONFERENCE TEAMS

First Team

Molly Ariail, Randolph-Macon, sophomore, center

Brittany Dahn, Lynchburg, sophomore, forward

Erin Hanson, Roanoke, senior, forward

Heather Phillips, Virginia Wesleyan, senior, forward

Lindsey Riesbeck, Randolph-Macon, junior, forward

Carolyn Riley, Eastern Mennonite, junior forward



Second Team

Tracey Croner, Guilford, junior, forward

Kristina Darby, Lynchburg, sophomore, guard

Ebony Denis, Eastern Mennonite, sophomore, guard

Amanda Hiltunen, Randolph-Macon, junior, guard

Tonia Jones, Virginia Wesleyan, sophomore, guard

Sarah Petty, Emory & Henry, sophomore, guard



Honorable Mention

Torri Bridge, Roanoke, senior, guard

Jordan Burkholder, Bridgewater, freshman, guard

Jolene Kratz, Eastern Mennonite, senior, center

Kristen Krouchick, Washington & Lee, senior, guard/forward

Caitlyn Long, Roanoke, sophomore, guard

Tamara Phillips, Hollins, freshman, guard

Katie Rechnitzer, Randolph, sophomore, guard



Player of the Year: Molly Ariail, Randolph-Macon, sophomore, center

Coach of the Year: Stephany Dunmyer, Virginia Wesleyan

Rookie of the Year: Jordan Burkholder, Bridgewater, freshman, guard

ODAC/Farm Bureau Scholar-Athlete of the Year: Amanda Hiltunen, Randolph-Macon, junior, guard

Team Sportsmanship Award: Randolph College


Also:

The top 10 finalists for the prestigious Jostens Trophy were announced  today by members of the Rotary Club of Salem, Va. The club is responsible for  the initial review of annual nominations and narrowed the pool to 10 men and 10  women finalists.  Among the men's finalists are a pair of ODAC standouts.  Guilford's Ben Strong is the reigning ODAC and National Player of the Year (according to D3hoops.com and the NABC).  Washington & Lee's Greg Bienemann is a former All-ODAC first team honoree. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 28, 2008, 06:45:46 PM
"RMC over W & L:  If W & L were to win a game against a top team, I think this would be the one.  But I agree, RMC takes care of the ball."


generalee: Gennies up by six over RMC at the half!

Oh man- It's definitely do-able-great D so far and Kane is having a awesome game in the first half with 17... GO GENERALS! You CAN do this!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 28, 2008, 07:49:05 PM
RMC wins 75-65 over W&L.  W&L up by as much as 14, but RMC takes the lead with 2:26 to go in the game, the first since 9:03 of the 1st half.  Hits 11 free throws down the stretch to pull it out.

I believe this has to be credited to RMCs tournament experience that they could hang in there and come back.  I know this is a heartbreaker for W&L which held the lead for just about all the game but at the end. 


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 28, 2008, 10:57:35 PM
Generalee is 4 of 4!  The Generals gave it a valiant effort - great games by Ridenhour and Wolff.  RMC just didn't seem like they were putting in the effort.  I don't think they can take it all the way.  Also, no post action for the Generals - how do you stop the player of the year post without using the posts?  Bridgewater pulled off a great upset - as I predicted!  Scottie Too Hottie - where are you?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 29, 2008, 08:31:31 AM
Quote from: generalee on February 28, 2008, 10:57:35 PM
Generalee is 4 of 4!  The Generals gave it a valiant effort - great games by Ridenhour and Wolff.  RMC just didn't seem like they were putting in the effort.  I don't think they can take it all the way.  Also, no post action for the Generals - how do you stop the player of the year post without using the posts?  Bridgewater pulled off a great upset - as I predicted!  Scottie Too Hottie - where are you?

This is true.  RMC did seem more 'lazy'- they had too many weapons though. And W&L with so many unanswered points from RMC at the end of the game?

One thing I sure can't disagree with you about though- it's obvious that ALL of RMC's offense is run through the low post. All props to her on the POY award. Interesting to note that Araial has the number of shooting attempts as most guards carry in this day and age of the guard-oriented offensive game. Overlall, Hiltunan is more impressive to me than Araial. But most of RMC's offense is directed to feed the post and that means Araial.  She's a better rebounder and know how to draw the foul, but it looks as if she's a 45% shooter from the field, as opposed to Hiltunan's 51% Still, it's Molly that  gets all those touches on the ball. Impressive.

Our seniors will sorely be missed. Krouchik has always been a consistant threat from any position and I particularly enjoyed seeing Kane step up this year with those string of blistering threes that she could shoot at times. Looks as if Coach King will need to reload the shooting guard/forward positions with her recruiting for next year. I sure don't envy her that part of her job. There's no doubt that she's at a definite disadvantage with her recruiting as compared to the other teams in this conference.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 29, 2008, 08:50:43 AM
Congratulations to Adam Hutchinson - W & L's mens coach of the year.  Also congrats to Greg Bienemann and Isaiah Goodman.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 29, 2008, 09:17:05 AM
Hey now generalee ... I was 4-for-4 as well. :)

What a win for my Eagles! Great performances by Henderson, Burkholder, and Timberlake. Henderson had eight blocks; Burkholder had team highs 14 points, 6 steals, 5 rebounds; and Timberlake hit a crucial jumper towards the end of the game. And the whole team did an excellent job on all-ODAC performers Carolyn Riley and Ebony Dennis, holding them to a combined 6-0f-20 shooting from the field, 13 points, and 10 turnovers.

A statistical accomplishment worth nothing, Henderson's eight blocks put her as Bridgewater's all-time leading blocker. She now has 145 for her career, and she's only a junior.

Also, Burkholder has broken three Bridgewater freshman records; points in a season (390), steals per game (3.62), and free throws made (107). Impressive considering Katy Herr set most of the freshman records in 2003-04.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 29, 2008, 12:32:10 PM
Yes, Kid - you got it right, too.  We are probably the only ones who really believed, and it was a great win for your program.  Coach Willi's tough.  Good luck against RMC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 29, 2008, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: generalee on February 29, 2008, 12:32:10 PM
Yes, Kid - you got it right, too.  We are probably the only ones who really believed, and it was a great win for your program.  Coach Willi's tough.  Good luck against RMC.

Assuming your a W&L fan, your team certainly showed the Jackets are beatable! I just hope our young kids still believe. They played them tough both times during the regular season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 01, 2008, 09:30:07 AM
Mar. 1

Roanoke
1:00 PM at Virginia Wesleyan

Bridgewater
3:00 PM at Randolph-Macon

Who will win?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 01, 2008, 05:19:23 PM
WAY TO GO EAGLES!!!!! Big win over RMC, 70-64.

Both BC wins in the tourney have been "ugly" ... but hey, if you play ugly and win, that means you forced the other team to play ugly as well.

Saunders played huge for us. I love how our coaches play her up at the top of the key. Seeing that she rotates with Henderson as a center, opponents will sometimes leave her open. She nailed three from behind the arc in today's win - what a weapon to have!

Come on Eagles ... ONE WIN FROM THE NCAA TOURNEY! Even if we come up one game short, the last two wins (over the league's No. 3 and No. 2 teams) will bode well for next year, although we will really miss Timberlake's leadership at the point.

GO EAGLES!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 01, 2008, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 01, 2008, 05:19:23 PM
WAY TO GO EAGLES!!!!! Big win over RMC, 70-64.

Both BC wins in the tourney have been "ugly" ... but hey, if you play ugly and win, that means you forced the other team to play ugly as well.

Saunders played huge for us. I love how our coaches play her up at the top of the key. Seeing that she rotates with Henderson as a center, opponents will sometimes leave her open. She nailed three from behind the arc in today's win - what a weapon to have!

Come on Eagles ... ONE WIN FROM THE NCAA TOURNEY! Even if we come up one game short, the last two wins (over the league's No. 3 and No. 2 teams) will bode well for next year, although we will really miss Timberlake's leadership at the point.

GO EAGLES!

Awesome, Kid! All props to BC for pulling off that great upset. I haven't felt that RMC has been playing with much passion recently... IMO, with all their weapons, they've been taking opponents for granted too often.

Your ladies deserved their win. Hope you can go all they way, but if not, just getting to the final was a great accomplishment.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 02, 2008, 09:20:20 AM
MB / Kid - It was really nice to see the Eagles take the win yesterday.  I agree with dukeofargyle - RMC players didn't seem like they were giving it their best in the past few games.  Coach Willi also really knows how to take what she has - inexperienced, raw talent - and make it come together.  That's the key - take advantage of your assets -whatever they are.  Great job Bridgewater!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 02, 2008, 02:36:31 PM
CONGRATS TO THE EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 02, 2008, 02:37:50 PM
Wow, I was pacing the last 10 minutes of the game. Eagles win 57-56 over VWC to win the title and NCAA bid!

Unbelievable run through the ODAC tournament, beating No. 3, No.2, and No. 1!

Phew ... my heart is still racing ... more comments later ...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 02, 2008, 02:38:38 PM
 Huge win by Bridgewater! Beating the top 3 seeds in a tournament almost never happens but congrats to the team which struggled for much of the season but never gave up and won the ODAC title!
Henderson and Timberlake and company have much to be proud of. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 02, 2008, 02:39:34 PM
Jordan Burkholder (freshman) named tournament MVP ... Bosserman and Timberlake also named all-Tournament.

Wow...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 02, 2008, 02:43:24 PM
 It would seem to me that Va. Wesleyan would have at least a shot at an at large bid for the NCAA's but the announcers for BC did not think so.
Any thoughts on the Lady Marlins postseason chances?
Title: Congrats Bridgewater and Coach Willi:
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 02, 2008, 02:53:38 PM
 Make the ODAC proud in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 02, 2008, 07:54:45 PM
Quote from: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 02, 2008, 02:36:31 PM
CONGRATS TO THE EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love this!

Way to go, BC- it's great when the underdog takes the prize... keep the intensity up- now on to NCAA's.
Title: BC Women face the College of New Jersey:
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 03, 2008, 10:34:57 AM
 The game will be March 7 at Mary Washington.
Title: Re: BC Women face the College of New Jersey:
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on March 03, 2008, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on March 03, 2008, 10:34:57 AM
The game will be March 7 at Mary Washington.

Yup, more info on the game;

Bridgewater (15-13) vs. The College of New Jersey (21-6)

The tip is set for 4:00 pm on Friday [audio stream begins at 3:25 pm (http://www.futuremediaworld.com/bridgewater.htm)]

Ticket info: $6 for adults, $3 for children, senior citizens, and students (kids under two are free)

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 03, 2008, 06:37:04 PM
I'm really disappointed that VWC didn't get a spot in the tourney too. 

Hopefully Bridgewater can keep their winning streak going at least into sectionals.  They obviously showed they have the ability and determination by their efforts this past weekend.

Every win is a plus for the ODAC.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 06, 2008, 08:33:07 AM
Good luck Bridgewater Eagles!  The ODAC is pulling for you!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 11, 2008, 03:48:37 PM
Heather Phillips of VWC makes WBCA Region 5 finalist for State Farm All America Team

http://www.wbca.org/releases/DIIISFCAATFinalistsPR2008.htm (http://www.wbca.org/releases/DIIISFCAATFinalistsPR2008.htm)

Congratulations!!!!
Title: PreSeason Rankings
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on August 21, 2008, 02:38:51 PM
Alright Alright ODAC crazies, it's just about that time - Yeah, move-in day. What does move-in day mean? That's right, pre-season pick up for all those ballers out there. This gets my mind racing on who the top contenders for the ODAC title and NCAA bid are going to be for this season.

After looking at last years performances, I must say I was disappointed in R-MC's performance. I think they had all the pieces and just failed to get them together and perform when it mattered. Losing to VWC twice, Emory and Henry, EMU, and finally Bridgewater - just doesn't sound yellowjacketesque to me. I think they're going to learn from these losses for this years season and not play around. They're going to be a contender, as always. They have the Twin Towers in Reisbeck and Arial, and I don't see these towers falling this season and their focus and success are going to be completely necessary for this team to get back into the big swing of things. Amanda Hiltunen is a bit of an under rated yellow jacket, in that she doesn't necessarily get the headlines, but brings that tenacity that the jackets are going to absolutely HAVE to have for them to be successful - I look for her to take a serious leadership role and feed the big boys and lead the defensive movement for these jackets.

VWC is also another big time team for this conference this year, only using a couple players, even though they were versatile and important pieces to that Marlin team- especially Chelsea Bartlet, but regardless they are well coached and very focused with a lot of fire and talent to boot. They were one of the favorites for last year and dropped a tear jerker to BC in the ODAC title last season and should most definitely make it to that championship game this year as well.

Bridgewater is a team that I am hesitant to put in the running but after what J Willie did with her youngsters last season it's impossible to leave them out for this coming season. Yes, they lose JT at the point, and she turned out to be a phenomenal leader, stepping in after Katie Herr graduated - she definitely did a great job getting her team to the Big Dance. She is missing, but FOY Jordan will be an integral part to their success this year and things need to fall into place just right for the Eagles to be roosting atop the ODAC at the end of this season. I'll be watching this team with serious interest to see if they can pull of the Cinderella story back-to-back years. (But then again, if they do, it will no longer be Cinderella and her glass slipper will it?)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2008, 05:06:00 PM
Welcome to the board -- it's kind of quiet in the offseason but don't let that frustrate you too much.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottharris on August 21, 2008, 07:34:57 PM
LC should be in a prime position to compete for top 3 in the ODAC, unless someone quits or transfers, they lose nobody from last year, and they finished tied for 4th with all freshman and sophomores. With Coach Tobey's obvious recruiting acumen, I imagine there will be even more talent ready to contribute this year.

VWC loses Heather Phillips and some other key players.
RMC loses three of it's better players from a team that normally only went 8 deep last year. EMU loses three valuable players.
Bridgewater loses Timberlake, but nothing else, so they should make some major strides.
Roanoke loses two of its top 5 players in Hanson and Bridge.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on August 26, 2008, 01:36:12 PM
scottharris, you make some legit points for Lynchburg. I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I didn't really think about them when thinking of the top three, but you are most definitely right - They make for a great sleeper team in the conference. I was impressed with the way they played all the top dogs last year, and although they are still young, I feel that the experience from last season will carry them a long way. Darby and Dahn are solid players that must be taken seriously. I'm picking them as the sleeper team to watch.

As far as Roanoke goes, I could be wrong, but I don't see them being as tough as they have in the recent past. Coach Dunagan is a great coach, truly one of the best, but the loss of Hanson is going to be a tremendous gap to bridge. I really don't see it happening, but then again no one really saw R-MC contending after the loss of Megan Silva a couple years ago. Sometimes a little grit and determination can go a long way and if any team has that, it's Roanoke.

Another team I was rather impressed with was Emory and Henry. I mean seriously - WHERE DID THEY COME FROM?!? No one was really ready for the stuff they brought to the table last season - with big wins over W&L, Roanoke, and R-MC and stayed super tight with VWC. Their Top 3 scorers are back this year. I don't expect them to win the ODAC or anything, but definitely make strides for their program. People definitely won't be looking over this team this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on August 26, 2008, 09:12:57 PM
So with schools starting and students enrolled and attending classes, what do schools have to report on when it comes to recruits who made it to campus?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottharris on August 26, 2008, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: emufan on August 26, 2008, 09:12:57 PM
So with schools starting and students enrolled and attending classes, what do schools have to report on when it comes to recruits who made it to campus?

Have to as in required you mean? Absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on August 27, 2008, 07:21:56 AM
Scott, you lost me
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottharris on August 27, 2008, 07:37:55 AM
Quote from: emufan on August 27, 2008, 07:21:56 AM
Scott, you lost me

You asked "what do schools have to report when it comes to recruits who made it to campus."

I said "have to as in required", meaning were you asking if schools were required to report anything.

If that's what you meant, then the answer is absolutely nothing...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on August 27, 2008, 05:13:36 PM
No Scott,

The point was, in d3, you can't sign a recruit to a letter of intent. Coaches often don't know for sure who is going to show up until the first day of class. 

Well...classes have started and it is usually this time of year, when posters give updates on recruits who have actually made it to campus.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottharris on August 27, 2008, 05:19:40 PM
Quote from: emufan on August 27, 2008, 05:13:36 PM
No Scott,

The point was, in d3, you can't sign a recruit to a letter of intent. Coaches often don't know for sure who is going to show up until the first day of class. 

Well...classes have started and it is usually this time of year, when posters give updates on recruits who have actually made it to campus.


What the were you asking about then? you didn't make it clear in the first place and still haven't...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on August 27, 2008, 09:13:03 PM
I give up. If you can't understand my second post regarding what freshman have made it to campus, then I don't want to hear your thoughts.

This can't be the same Scott Harris from Lynchburg, who had some commons sense when he worked for the athletic department at LC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottharris on August 27, 2008, 09:37:16 PM
I'll be surprised if you hear much of anything here on the women's board about recruits, especially considering not a single thing was happening on this board from March 11-August 21 and not a thing has been said about recruits in well over 6 months now.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottharris on August 27, 2008, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: emufan on August 27, 2008, 09:13:03 PM
I give up. If you can't understand my second post regarding what freshman have made it to campus, then I don't want to hear your thoughts.

This can't be the same Scott Harris from Lynchburg, who had some commons sense when he worked for the athletic department at LC.

Easy now. You are the one that never made your original question clear in the first place. If you had more properly phrased your question originally, this discussion would have never occurred. Had you simply said "Does anyone on here have anything to report on recruits? did they all show up to campus yet?" or something along those lines, you would have avoided any misinterpretation. Try phrasing your questions less poorly before criticizing others.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on August 28, 2008, 01:04:05 PM
Hello emu fan!  i was reading your post from earlier, & i too wondered how that worked with incoming recruits at schools, especially for the winter sports.  Is it proper for that person to stop by the athletic offices & say hi, or is there a more formal procedure?  I knew exactly what you meant when you posted & was thinking about what was happening at the school we folllow - Del Val up in Doylestown, PA
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottharris on August 28, 2008, 01:09:22 PM
Quote from: kate on August 28, 2008, 01:04:05 PM
Is it proper for that person to stop by the athletic offices & say hi, or is there a more formal procedure?

If anything, most kids just go say hi to their coach and whatnot unless the coach has specific procedures in place.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on August 28, 2008, 01:14:45 PM
Quote from: emufan on August 27, 2008, 05:13:36 PM
No Scott,

The point was, in d3, you can't sign a recruit to a letter of intent. Coaches often don't know for sure who is going to show up until the first day of class. 

Well...classes have started and it is usually this time of year, when posters give updates on recruits who have actually made it to campus.


If I understand you correctly most coaches know when school starts which recruits they have on campus now.  I know where my daughter is they still have to do all the NCAA classes and paperwork right off the bat.  Now if you are trying to walk-on you better contact the coach right away because open gyms and strenghth and conditioning start right away also.  I know a lot of places also have open tryouts for anyone on campus early in the school year.  Most d3 probably start with 18 to 20 girls and whittle down from there.  Without scholarships you have to have a lot of girls to start with because without the letter of intent you sometimes never know who will show up.  I hope this helped lol
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: kate on August 28, 2008, 01:42:41 PM
Thanks, Sabine BBall - as far as i'm concerned that was a great question, & the answer probably does vary slightly from school to school within general guidelines, of course.  Stuff ya always wanted to ask the coach, but didn't want to bother them about  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on August 28, 2008, 04:15:43 PM
Another thing that confuses a lot of girls/parents/HS coaches is even if they recruit you...you still have to make the team.  People get confused thinking they are already on the team at the d3 level but without scholarships on the table it is open season.  I have heard from high school coaches that sent/recommended a kid go to certain schools and they get there and get greatly disappointed by not making the team.  When you are paying money to go there it probably hurts a lot more.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on August 28, 2008, 04:32:57 PM
Most of the time, if the coach really wants a kid to come out and play - they keep pretty good contact with her and they know if she actually made it to campus or not - either through phone calls or returning players. As far as recruit news, I haven't heard anything as of yet. Who are the top girls schools were looking at?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on August 29, 2008, 10:16:56 PM
From my experience at EMU, if the coach recruited you, the coach will be around on move in day to say hello and welcome you to campus. If a player is going to 'walk-on', then they usually introduce themselves to the coach and ask when open gyms and preseason conditioning is happening. 

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottharris on August 29, 2008, 10:23:38 PM
Quote from: emufan on August 29, 2008, 10:16:56 PM
From my experience at EMU, if the coach recruited you, the coach will be around on move in day to say hello and welcome you to campus. If a player is going to 'walk-on', then they usually introduce themselves to the coach and ask when open gyms and preseason conditioning is happening. 

same here at LC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on August 30, 2008, 09:11:10 AM
Hey...look what happened...there is activity on this board.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on September 03, 2008, 04:45:53 PM
Hopefully you didn't jinx it emufan  ;)

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on September 10, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
Does anyone know who some of the new recruits in the ODAC are?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on September 11, 2008, 08:02:13 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on September 10, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
Does anyone know who some of the new recruits in the ODAC are?

I've heard Wesleyan and Lynchburg have solid incoming class.  Don't know about anyone else.  But I will give you my top 5 preseason prediction for the ODAC regular season:

1. Lynchburg (the young'uns are seasoned veterans now)
2. Bridgewater (last year's run is a spring board to better things)
3. Va Weselyan (always tough)
5. RMC (good starters, questionable depth and can't overcome loss of 3 top seniors)
4. EMU (great coaching but still a bit inexperienced)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on September 14, 2008, 09:22:38 PM
Hey, where are all the bloggers?  Guess my preseason predictions have left you all in a catatonic state ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on September 15, 2008, 02:27:00 PM
odacfan99- nice preseason predictions, although I can't agree with the Lynchburg pick. I could be wrong (that's the beautiful thing about college basketball) but I don't think Lynchburg can pull off the top notch in the ODAC. Although they do boast a bit more seasoned young class, they still have some developing to do.

Positives: They lose NOBODY. Britaney Dahn and Christinia Darby will be consistent leaders throughout the rest of their careers for the hornets. The recruits that came in last year did an excellent job learning the program and running a fierce hornet high pressure defense. BUT, that is just one year under their belt, and a year full of tough competition. Lynchburg gave some big teams fits and were always viewed as a team that shouldn't be looked over in the least.

Negatives: Regardless of their obvious talent they showed some growing pains, posting a mediocre 16-10/13-7 conference season. They lost to Roanoke three times (even when Hanson was out), a weak CNU, Bridgewater, Randolph-Macon twice, Virginia Wesleyan twice, and twice squeaked by an Emory and Henry team that beat R-MC when they were in a moment of weakness. Also, with the loss of no players means less room for recruits, a program needs to consistently bring in new blood to build a dynasty and I'm not sure how many recruits they brought in this year, but there wasn't much room to begin with considering the youth of the team. All in all, they still have much to learn and develop but I see them being serious contenders in Dahn and Darby's senior season. I see them being in the Top 5 for sure, just not at the top, not this year.

My Top 5:

1. Va Wesleyan - The ODAC was theirs for the taking last year and BC did what BC is famous for doing- pulling off the Cinderella story. Losing Chelsea Bartlett and Heather Phillips hurts, but this is a solid, deep team that has been waiting to take the crown and I think this year is the one.

2. R-MC - I hesitated to put them this high because of the same reasons you mentioned when you put them at 5. They are going to miss the impact of Marta Merkel, Nicole Childress, and Jess Shifflett at the point. Depth is an issue. Bottom line - Molly Arial and Lindsay Reisbeck are unstoppable when they want to be. Some of their performances last year looked a little lackadaisical, almost as if the W was going to be handed to R-MC. I think they have probably learned from that. I put them at #2 because projected starting PG Jen O'Briant is extremely athletic and did a great job backing up Shifflett last year, and if she stays healthy can lead the team the way a PG needs to; Arial and Reisbeck are phenomenal All-State (should be All-American if R-MC can get some NCAA time) post players; and Amanda Hiltunen is a senior leader who will not take losing as an option.

3. Lynchburg - I think I broke them down enough above, but they are definitely a solid team and should make strides in the ODAC- just not their year for the crown just yet.

4. Bridgewater- Regardless of winning the ODAC last year, I can't see them doing the same with the loss of Jessica Timberlake. Think about the games at BC - there was rarely a minute when their floor general wasn't out making the calls, leading the Eagles throughout the games' entirety. She averaged 34 minutes a game at the point. That is a HUGE loss because I'm not sure who the back up even was because she obviously didn't get much time to develop. The PG position is arguably the most important position on the court. That's the girl that gets everyone on the same page, without a good PG it's hard to get a team to stay in check out on the hardwood. Perhaps they'll slide Jordan Burkholder over, but she's such a good scorer, you'd hate to see PPG taken away due to the added responsibility of running the floor. It will be interesting to see how this team bounces back.

5. EMU- EMU coach Griffin is an AMAZING coach. Seeing what he did with his teams the past few years, it's no wonder that he was voted Coach of the Year a couple years ago. He has established EMU validity within the ODAC. Although they lose four seniors, Joline Kratz in particular, they get to keep Carolyn Riley for one more year. It is coaching and Riley alone that place them in my Top 5.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on September 16, 2008, 08:09:15 PM
Eaglefan, GREAT insight.  Thanks for expanding on my cliff notes and breathing some life into this board.  It had gotten too quiet lately.  I appreciate your insights and you've convinced me RMC will be tougher than I thought.  You're right about Hiltunan - losing is NOT acceptable to her - she's the heart and soul of the team.  If Ariail and Riesbeck bring passion to their games this year and O'Briant stays healthy, they could be tough.  Not sure about their incoming class but I know they have a sophomore who was injured last year and is supposed to be a good defender.

Keep the posts coming y'all - we're less than a month away from preseason! ::) ::)

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rorurap on September 16, 2008, 10:08:42 PM
Better check that EMU roster!  I hear that Riley is gone! without her not sure they are a 5th placer.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottharris on September 16, 2008, 10:12:21 PM
Quote from: rorurap on September 16, 2008, 10:08:42 PM
Better check that EMU roster!  I hear that Riley is gone! without her not sure they are a 5th placer.

No point in doing it now, no one updates their roster until practice starts anyways.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rorurap on September 17, 2008, 10:14:58 AM
I agree ..............but if you are curious then try the Registrar's Office.............
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bbald eagle on September 17, 2008, 10:40:52 AM
Riley's departure after her frosh season hurt Marymount. If she's left EMU too, that will hurt them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on September 17, 2008, 12:23:14 PM
Rorurap - Is Riley really not back - or are you just being cryptic?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on September 18, 2008, 10:21:40 PM
I also heard that Riley has left and went back to Marymount. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on September 19, 2008, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: odacfan99 on September 16, 2008, 08:09:15 PM
Eaglefan, GREAT insight.  Thanks for expanding on my cliff notes and breathing some life into this board.  It had gotten too quiet lately.  I appreciate your insights and you've convinced me RMC will be tougher than I thought.  You're right about Hiltunan - losing is NOT acceptable to her - she's the heart and soul of the team.  If Ariail and Riesbeck bring passion to their games this year and O'Briant stays healthy, they could be tough.  Not sure about their incoming class but I know they have a sophomore who was injured last year and is supposed to be a good defender.

Keep the posts coming y'all - we're less than a month away from preseason! ::) ::)



R-MC will definitely be tough, but like you said earlier, depth IS an issue. But with the trio of Hiltunen, Arial, and Reisbeck I can't see them any lower than 2nd and I wouldn't be surprised if they won the whole thing. I feel like they just fell asleep last year, but are WIDE awake now. Hiltunen definitely makes that team tick and now with seniority on her side she should put up some serious numbers and get everybody involved. The sophomore you speak of is Katie Williams and she is a scrapper, she will bring another spark to the team. She tore her ACL last year in the preseason. Her role will be similar to what Nicole Childress did. Come in off the bench and put up some quick numbers, get the big rebounds, be a tough defender, etc. She's definitely solid.

As far as Riley goes, rorurap, you are absolutely right. Without her they are NOT a Top 5 team. Perhaps Roanoke instead, but that spot will be wide open without Riley. I also heard that she might be leaving, but I don't think anything is concrete as of yet. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by: scottharris on September 19, 2008, 07:33:10 PM
Carolyn Riley does not show up on he EMU website when you do a people search. Try for yourself...

http://www.emu.edu/fslink
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ODAC Has-been on September 21, 2008, 08:42:53 PM
Riley will be playing for Marymount this year, not for EMU.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on September 22, 2008, 04:23:19 PM
Welp, that's that. Weird that she went back, but clearly a personal decision. I feel for EMU, I really do because she was an integral part to that team. I don't see them doing much w/o her, but they are well coached so all hope is not lost.

With that settled, what are some more of you guys' Top 5 picks? Break'em down for us. Does VWC and R-MC stay dominate? Or does BC keep their roll going w/o Timberlake and a sophomore scoring phenom? Then there's the youth in Lynchburg and a Hansen-less Roanoke? Let's hear it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on September 24, 2008, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on September 17, 2008, 12:23:14 PM
Rorurap - Is Riley really not back - or are you just being cryptic?
Whitecaylxx:
Any news from Lex? Hoping that the team will have better dynamics this year. Last year was just too unbalanced with all upperclassmen and freshmen.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on September 28, 2008, 03:01:13 PM
I think Washington and Lee will struggle this year.  The loss of Kristin Krouchick will certainly be felt.  However, the balance of some of the other teams has shifted as well.  W & L's chemistry can only go up.  I'm looking forward to the season!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on October 03, 2008, 02:53:17 PM
So are we all!!  Just a few more days....!!!! Before the official start of Practice.  Where is everybody? ::)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on October 08, 2008, 02:53:01 PM
Since nobody's up for some Top 5 Picks, I have a question.

What are some of the scrimmages scheduled for the preseason? Anybody know?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on October 09, 2008, 09:01:48 PM
Not sure about preseason schedules but I'll again post my preseason Top 5 for anyone who didn't see it earlier just to start the ball rolling:

1. Lynchburg (the young'uns are seasoned veterans now)
2. Bridgewater (last year's run is a spring board to better things)
3. Va Weselyan (always tough)
4. RMC (good starters, questionable depth and can't overcome loss of 3 top seniors)
5. EMU (great coaching but still a bit inexperienced)

As far as Riley goes, I too heard she left the ODAC and will play at Marymount.




Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eagleeye2 on October 13, 2008, 10:18:05 PM
here is my pick for preseason..

1.RMC( as long as the post can show up every night as well as hiltunen, they     should be ok)

2.BC( with leading score burkholder returning and other steping up)

3. Va Weselyan( I agree they are always a tough team)

4. Lynchburg( they are still a pretty young team, when they play together they can be a good force)

5. EMU( i agree with Riley its going to be hard to replace her for inside presence.)


theres my preseason pick. I love this time of year!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ODAC Has-been on October 17, 2008, 10:38:10 AM
I think this will be an interesting year around the ODAC. Here's my top 5:

1. Randolph-Macon: They've got the most solid core of returners who are going to be very important for the success of the squad. If everyone can show up at game time and play the kind of ball they are capable of playing, they're going to be very tough to beat.

2. Virginia Wesleyan: I've got VWC here at the 2 spot because I believe they're blood is still boiling over last years results. Coach Dunmeyer is a tough cookie and a great coach. The ladies who played behind they're standout seniors last year know what it's going to take to get to the top. They're going to be a solid team that will bounce back from losing quite a few valuable seniors.

3. Lynchburg: I think they're going to be the surprise upsetter this year. They've taken quite a few poundings in the past from the big whigs, but I think they're going to be seasoned enough to put it all together this year. They've got a quick line-up, and if they are able to keep their composure and do the things they do best, they will surprise many a team.

4. Bridgewater: They had quite the Cinderella season last year, but I'm not sure if they have all the tools to put it all together again this year. They were able to take advantage of teams when they were at their weakest (VWC, RMC) and make the most of the situation. Burkholder will be a good returner for them, but I'm not sure if she will have a supportive cast to bring it all together in the end.

5. Eastern Mennonite: They've got some quick returning players, but most of their seasoned vet's are gone and they'll be in a rebuilding year. With Riley moving on, someone will need to step up and take a leadership role.



Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: goblue on October 28, 2008, 04:18:13 PM
looks like marymount has put up their roster ... and lo and behold ...

http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/wbball/riley.html

i know this is not a cac board, but that is another great threat for the saints (as well as a huge loss for the royals).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on October 29, 2008, 10:04:50 PM
This is old news and has already been posted on here.

I am dissapointed with Riley.  I don't see why a player would return to a school that she left in the first place.  It just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on October 31, 2008, 01:30:11 PM
As to Riley, think about it.  Marymount is the most likely choice if she were to leave EMU.  Most school have a minimal course requirement for graduation.  That is, courses at the school conveying the diploma.  So, if she was leaving EMU anyway, it's the only school she could attend and not extend her college years.

Just a thought.  But I would agree that on personal level, why go back?  Just stay at EMU, it was good enough for two years, why not a third?  Interesting situation, but one I'm sure she made in her own best interest. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ODAC Has-been on November 01, 2008, 11:51:06 PM
New or old news, she's made the move, and we'll just have to see at the end of the year whether it was smart or not!

The more important twist to this story is the preseason scrimmage tomorrow between R-MC and Marymount... with newly added Riley to the roster...should be interesting!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on November 02, 2008, 02:47:17 PM
Definitely interesting. I know Coach LaHaye typically gives everyone their fair shot during scrimmages (which I applaud tremendously), so I'm not sure if this will really be a true measure to either team's stature. I wish I could be at the scrimmage to gauge it for myself. Regardless, this will be interesting and hopefully we can get some inside scoop from any witnesses to the scrimmage as to how the team's truly measure up. The scores will not be a good enough measuring stick.

Another interesting nugget - No ODAC schools made the Top 25 preseason poll. Not sure how I feel about this. R-MC did get 12 votes, but no other ODAC school in sight, even though I thought three ODAC schools deserved a shot at the national title last season: RMC, VWC, and of course BC who forced everyone to give them the nod. We'll see how this shifts throughout the season. I understand that there are a lot of question marks in the R-MC line up, but I stand by my earlier statement: Molly Arial and Lindsay Reisbeck are All America status post players. Hands down. They just haven't gone deep enough into the tournament for them to get their due. Perhaps this is the year. It certainly better be for Reisbeck anyway. They'll sneak in the bottom later in the season if everything goes as planned and will have a legitimate shot to at least make it to the second round NCAAs if not the Sweet Sixteen.

Any other schools that should have at least received votes but didn't? (AKA VIRGINIA WESLEYAN??)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on November 02, 2008, 06:39:27 PM
Has the ODAC ever gotten three teams into the dance at the same time?

I wouldn't think so.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on November 03, 2008, 10:50:23 AM
No, not to my knowledge - I was simply saying that those three teams had the potential to do damage if they made it into the tournament. The ODAC is lucky to get an automatic champion bid due to the lack of strength of the conference - much less get two at large bids.

Also, because of VWC's strength last season (they had one lapse in play and it just happened to be the most important game of their season) - I figured they'd at least get votes. Didn't really expect Macon to break into the Top 25 preseason, but thought the fact that nobody from our conference even made it close was a topic worth chatting about.

Anybody see / hear anything about the Marymount scrimmage? I'm super curious about that one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on November 03, 2008, 09:17:57 PM
Though I wasn't at the game, I heard RMC was impressive.  Sounds like the Big 3 of Arial, Riesbeck, and Hiltunen can expect support from a few returning players and an impressive freshman class.  I heard they blitzed Marymount in the first "game" and played them even thereafter using a lot of their young players.  Arial brought her usual impressive inside game and Hiltunen directed the offense and led the way defensively.  Looks like they open the season with their own tip-off tournment against decent competition and I'm betting they can't wait to play for real....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on November 06, 2008, 06:42:01 PM
OUCH!   :'(


Coaches Poll:

2008-09 ODAC Women's Basketball Preseason Coaches Poll
(#) Denotes first place votes

1.
Randolph-Macon
119 (10)

2.
Lynchburg
105

3.
Roanoke
94

4.
Virginia Wesleyan
83

5.
Bridgewater
75

6.
Emory & Henry
63 (1)

7.
Guilford
57

8.
Eastern Mennonite
50

9.
Washington and Lee
42

10.
Randolph
27

11.
Hollins
11








Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: goblue on November 10, 2008, 12:50:49 PM
what an interesting poll!

i would be shocked if the generals finished ninth -- it's going to be an exciting year in the ODAC and i can't wait for things to tip-off (though i'm sad i'll have to be stalking things from a far for the first time in a while)!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on November 10, 2008, 01:49:15 PM
WOW  :o

Very crazy poll. Boggles the mind a little bit. I'm surprised to see VWC so low and Emory and Henry so high. This is definitely going to be an interesting year. I don't really see this being the end of the season standings, and that's what makes the ODAC so great. I'm pumped for this weekend's action - the season is finally upon us.
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Post by: whitecaylxx on November 10, 2008, 06:39:58 PM
Go Blue - it could be a very tough year for the Generals.  They lost 4 very talented seniors since the last Coaches Poll.   Kristin Krouchick was showcased and she will be hard to replace.  As eaglejacket commented, though, I'm surprised Emory and Henry was ranked 6th.  Bridgewater's ranking seemed a little low, as well.  We will see soon enough!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: goblue on November 13, 2008, 05:31:50 PM
whitecaylxx --

obviously, i am well aware of the talent the generals lost last year and how special that class was (they are also going to miss the presence of kane & wolff, immensely as well).

to say i've been a fan of the generals for a while would be an understatement. i'm sure it will be an interesting season for the generals given how talented the ODAC is, but i still stand by my previous statement.

perhaps i have been a "fan" too long and just always want the best for the generals!  ;) i can't help it, i believe in blue!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on November 13, 2008, 06:31:22 PM
Go Blue - Just because you are  a "fan" doesn't mean you can't be somewhat realistic as well.  I did not say I did not wish the Generals well.   I said they would struggle with the considerable losses since the last Coaches Poll.  So bleed blue all you want - just realize the times are a changing...  Time will tell which teams makes improvement and which ones do not. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on November 17, 2008, 02:14:30 PM
Finally! - The games have started. This weekend's opening tourneys really shed some light on some ODAC standings. Lynchburg opens the season with a loss to Alvernia 81-72. R-MC turns around and beats Alvernia resoundingly 99-86. Amanda Hiltunen dropped 30. 30. Did I say 30? Yeah, she shines in transition and it sounds like Jen O'Briant handled the press well for 37 minutes. Big guys Reisbeck and Ariail look like they may have struggled a little with 8 and 9 pts respectively, but I imagine that is because a lot of the points were in transition, considering that they only took 6 and 7 shots each - and because Molly fouled out. Newbie Molly Brown's stat line also impressed me. 5 for 6 from the field, 3 for 4 from the stripe, 13 points, 3 rebs in 14 minutes of play? That's pretty solid.

The lesson we should all take from this - R-MC has weapons both inside and outside the paint and can make things happen when Reisbeck and Ariail aren't a huge facor. They took the #1 pre-season ranking in stride.

As far as Lynchburg is concerned - youth has a funny way of breaking in. Sometimes it takes a little time for the young guns to warm up. They'll be fine once conference play starts, but won't find themselves on top of the totem poll come March. Next year will be there year - and if they truly are #2 in the ODAC as predicted in the preseason poll, R-MC should cruise.
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Post by: hoopstermom on November 18, 2008, 10:13:11 AM
Congrats to Coach Carroll LaHaye of R-MC for becoming the winningest basketball coach in history at Randolph-Macon. 

http://www.rmc.edu/News/08-11-17%20-%20News-LaHaye432.aspx (http://www.rmc.edu/News/08-11-17%20-%20News-LaHaye432.aspx)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on November 19, 2008, 07:34:13 AM
The W & L Generals rebuilding year seems off to a slow start.  Mary Washington defeated the Generals, 74-43.  As in the past, turnovers and shooting percentages plagued W & L.   W & L was able to hang on in the beginning, though, and it was just the opener.  The Bridgewater Eagles aren't out of the gate as strong as I thought they might be.  They have been competitive in the first halves and then they have faded away.  EMU opened strong.  What's happening down at Emory & Henry?  They certainly have a ton of girls on the roster!  Let's get this board jumping!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on November 19, 2008, 12:10:28 PM
The W&L loss to Mary Washington does not bode well for the Generals. UMW is in a rebuilding year, losing a HUGE chunk of their talent to graduation last year. The two "Katies" (Katy Larson and Kaitie Clarkin) and Ashton Mitchell are they're money three. Other than that, they're really not very deep. This might be a rough one for W&L.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on November 19, 2008, 01:25:35 PM
Coach King was hoping to get a jump on Mary Washington since they had lost a bunch of talent.  It didn't work out, though.  30 points is not good :'(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 20, 2008, 05:04:27 AM
Based on box score and story lines, VWC got off to a good start last evening beating Salisbury handily.  Will be a good early test for both them and RMC when they meet next Tuesday night at the Batten Center.  Anyone have first hand scoop of the game?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on November 20, 2008, 08:49:53 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on November 13, 2008, 06:31:22 PM
Go Blue - Just because you are  a "fan" doesn't mean you can't be somewhat realistic as well.  I did not say I did not wish the Generals well.   I said they would struggle with the considerable losses since the last Coaches Poll.  So bleed blue all you want - just realize the times are a changing...  Time will tell which teams makes improvement and which ones do not. 

For all you 'blue' Generals fans out there- here's the deal as I see it. W&L has real issues recruiting and will always have these in contrast with every other college in the ODAC. Not that it is impossible to recruit strong players- as we have seen in past years, but just extremely difficult to assemble a full team of exceptional talent  because of the real low admissions percentages there.

It is what it is, however. Anything can and does happen in a season. Best wishes go out to the Gennies as they begin the season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on November 20, 2008, 12:10:58 PM
I do agree the standards of admission at W & L rule out some types of players.  However, the Generals great advantage is their intelligence  - and that is an asset that can certainly be harnessed.  There are more and more smart, talented female athletes out there.  I remain unconvinced that the ODAC's other teams simply have better players.  Good luck Generals in your upcoming tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on November 20, 2008, 03:40:47 PM
To clarify, I believe I did not say or mean to imply that the other ODAC teams have better players. What I said is that the recruiting is necessarily a different process with the other ODAC teams. With 60% of all college applicants being women nowadays, without doubt there are many more intelligent and talented athletes that are women.  Still, the male-female ratio at W&L remains at about 50-50. By my calculations, this translates that the women are getting in at more difficult admissions percentages than the men.

You make a good point that intelligence can be an asset on the court. Still, I might point out that Basketball IQ often is not the same as excelling at organic bio.

Many factors besides these will go into the completion of a successful season with any team, however talented. As I said; it is what it is. Hopefully, the season will answer many of these questions.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ODAC Has-been on November 24, 2008, 12:12:18 PM
Let's get some predictions going for the ODAC match-ups tomorrow night...

Guilford @ Roanoke
R-MC @ Va Wes
EMU @ Lynchburg

Thoughts? Insights?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on November 24, 2008, 02:03:10 PM
My prediction is Roanoke over Guilford; RMC over VA Wes; and EMU and Lynchburg its a toss up.  Depends on who comes to play and if the chemistry is right.  Lynchburg is capable.  It should be a great game.  Just like RMC and VA Wes Should be a great game. 

I, think, however, a lot of this board doesn't give Lynchburg the credit they are do.  They had a great cast....and sometimes you just have to let them play.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on November 24, 2008, 02:05:28 PM
I need to restate that last sentence.  THEY HAVE  A GREAT CAST...and will for the next two years.  Let's just hope they use it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on November 24, 2008, 02:59:33 PM
The Generals lost both of their tournament games  - BUT - the new players definitely showed a great deal of promise.  I definitely think there is hope!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on November 24, 2008, 05:21:39 PM
Generalee - I thought W & L was doing well the first half of the Dickinson game.  Turnovers and shooting percentages resulted in another 30 point loss.  Much better on the turnovers versus Cabrini.  I don't understand not going with your experienced players, however.  You must play your new athletes, but you need experience in tight games.

As for "Let's get some predictions going for the ODAC match-ups tomorrow night..."

Guilford @ Roanoke
R-MC @ Va Wes
EMU @ Lynchburg

I choose Roanoke, R-MC, and sorry - I'm going with EMU.  A gamble, but we'll see...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 24, 2008, 06:09:25 PM
I pick Roanoke, RMC and EMU too.

For those that can't attend in person: 

VWC is audio webcasting at http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/live/ (http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/live/)

So is Roanoke - livestats and video at http://www.roanoke.edu/athletics/video/ustream/ (http://www.roanoke.edu/athletics/video/ustream/)

And Lynchburg will streaming livestats at http://www.lynchburg.edu/x15096.xml (http://www.lynchburg.edu/x15096.xml)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on November 24, 2008, 08:12:31 PM
Here are my predictions:

Guilford - Roanoke: I have to go Roanoke, and honestly I had to hesitate when making this selection. Guilford is a much tougher team than we sometimes want to believe. This game will be tight and may even be upset city, but Roanoke has the experience and the raw talent and should win this game. They both defeated a common opponent in Meredith. Guilford beat them by 23. Roanoke by 29. The kicker? Roanoke held them to only 32 points while they scored 50 against Guilford, and we all know what they say about defense.

RMC - Va Wesleyan: I'm giving the nod to R-MC for a couple of reasons, first of all being that they are hungry for a win after losing to the Marlins twice last year. Secondly, Va Wesleyan lost a lot in Heather Phillips and Chelsea Bartlett and I'm not 100% sure that they will be able to recover from that. Lastly, Macon is cruising right now mostly due in part to impressive performance in guard Amanda Hiltunen. Add in the two big guns Ariail and Riesbeck plus a couple of impressive freshmen and you've got yourself a win.

EMU - Lynchburg: The obvious choice has to be Lynchburg. <bballmom4> says that Lynchburg isn't getting the respect that they are due. In this case I think they have it. If Carolyn Riley were still on EMU I might lean the other way, but the Royals just lost too much to over come the amount of talent pouring out of Lynchburg's line up. I still don't think this is Lynchburg's year to take the whole thing, but they should be able to take care of EMU.

<hoopstermom> - thanks for that info, I'm going to be all over that RMC VWC game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 25, 2008, 06:50:55 PM
Halftime:  RMC 31  VWC 29
                GC 35  RC 29
             
Lynchburg-EMU doesn't start until 7:00


10 minutes to go in RMC-VWC game tied 43
4 minutes to go in GC-RC game RC just took the lead 55-54
LC-EMU not quite underway yet

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 25, 2008, 07:35:09 PM
Final Roanoke 69 Guilford 60

3 minutes to go in RMC-VWC game - VWC up by 2 61-59
RMC with 25 turnovers and 1/8 from 3 point range but out rebounding VWC 45-35

way too many turnovers both teams
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 25, 2008, 07:47:28 PM
VWC over RMC 73-62 
looks like they just out hustled RMC and beat them with 3s and creating turnovers.

EMU must be the real deal, they are up 17-13 over Lynchburg with 10 minutes to go still in 1st half.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on November 25, 2008, 07:58:03 PM
Virginia Wesleyan earns a sloppy win over Randolph Macon 73-62. I listened to this game via web broadcast and it definitely sounded helter skelter. Several turn overs and some questionable decision making. My biggest concern is why R-MC wasn't fouling when they were down 6 with a minute left to play. Deciding to allow VWC to run down the clock not only wasted precious time but resulted in the Marlins banking in a three pointer. Why not foul and make them earn it the old fashioned way?

Definitely a statement game, VWC undoubtedly deserves the kudos. They managed to find a way to be successful after losing two key players from last year's squad. I wasn't sure how they would manage, especially without floor general Chelsea Bartlett but they seem to have it all together. Very impressive.

Keys to this game: Molly Ariail in foul trouble mid-second half. Hiltunen defended well by VWC, she wasn't scoring 30 tonight if she tried. The biggest stat = Free throws. The Marlins were virtually automatic from the line. If the Memphis Tigers (mens) aren't enough of an example for how important free throw shooting is, this game is a good substitute.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on November 25, 2008, 09:16:51 PM
EMU gets a big win in Lynchburg tonight.  In terms of the preseason poll, this was a big upset, #8 beating #2. 

Kudo's to LC for putting them came on the internet live via video.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on November 26, 2008, 01:55:25 PM
WOW. What happened in that game? Can you pinpoint a reason for the upset?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on November 26, 2008, 02:25:47 PM
I expected EMU to win - they seem to be playing much more balanced this year.  The team is not centered around Riley anymore.  I did not expect the Virginia Weslyan win, though.  You can't take anyone for granted!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on November 29, 2008, 04:52:01 PM
Randolph Macon - Lynchburg is the marquee match up for Monday night action. Regardless, I will do some predictions for the other teams as well.

W&L - Hollins. I'm gonna go ahead and say W&L here, but given W&L's performance thus far it could be closer than we think. Regardless I'm gonna go ahead and predict a 15 - 20 point victory for the Generals.

Emory & Henry - Guilford. These two teams are very similar in style and talent. They're both scrappy and both really go hard on both ends of the floor. I'll give it to Guilford with the home court advantage, but this one should be tight.

Randolph - EMU. EMU is way too stacked in comparison to Randolph for this one to be very close. With that said, we all know that Randolph is known to give teams fits. I give it to the Royals, especially after their performance last week. 15+ victory.

Lynchburg - RMC. This is definitely the contest of the night. They both have a common opponent in Alvernia. Lynchburg lost. RMC won resoundingly. I look for RMC to win this game by double digits, but Lynchburg always comes into Crenshaw Gym with a win or die mentality. This will be a good game and extremely competitive, but RMC is too good at home, and in general to lose one to a possibly over rated Lynchburg team. I say possibly because they have dropped some questionable games early - but early is the key word there. Plus RMC will be looking to pick themselves up after a tough loss to VWC. RMC by 10+.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on December 01, 2008, 08:01:31 PM
Well, halftime....RMC up by 13.  Listening to the game....seems like the officials are a little homecooking crew.  Too bad...Lynchburg's shooting is not the best in the first half.  It would be nice if we could get the announcers to be a little more detailed when the visiting team has the ball.  I guess if we could all be perfect, huh! :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on December 02, 2008, 07:48:51 PM
Congratulations to Washington and Lee for their first big win! (It seems a little mean-spirited to pound defenseless Hollins like that, but the Generals needed a win).  Congratulations to Kari - big game!  The freshmen are really doing well. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on December 02, 2008, 09:27:41 PM
WOW!  RMC 97 Lynchburg 87.  Yellow Jackets trump the Hornets.  Must have been an exciting game if you like offense.  Did anyone play any D?  Congratulations to A. Hiltunen for reaching and passing the 1,000 point mark for her career.  And 15-15 from the charity stripe for the game and 33-33 for the season!  Macon has both an inside and outside game this year.  If the coaching staff can fire them up to play some D, look out.  Without D, I expect another high scoring affair and a tough battle against Bridgewater Saturday though RMC may view this as a revenge game for the loss in last year's semi-final of the ODAC tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 02, 2008, 11:46:41 PM
 Roanoke beat Bridgewater tonight. I think it was 60-49?
Both defense's played well in the 1st half as Roanoke took a 24-16 lead at the half. The Lady Maroons built a 32-16 edge before BC came back to cut it to 6 at 53-47.
Roanoke got the clutch baskets they needed when BC got momentum.
BC did get into a rhythm on offense at times during the 2nd half and showed flashes of the play that won an ODAC crown last year. Something to build on for BC but congrats to Roanoke.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on December 03, 2008, 08:09:46 AM
Quote from: generalee on December 02, 2008, 07:48:51 PM
Congratulations to Washington and Lee for their first big win! (It seems a little mean-spirited to pound defenseless Hollins like that, but the Generals needed a win).  Congratulations to Kari - big game!  The freshmen are really doing well. ;D

Well, I will agree that a 70 some point spread win is a considerable one by any point of view. Phillips did a nice job for Hollins but it seems that W&L has some brilliant younger talent on offense emerging both inside and out this year. Too bad it seems to come & go in flashes.

IMO, They still need to steady down, concentrate on their guard's pressing & in the post - rebounding, execute their plays smoothly and take care of the ball better. This may prove to be a real interesting year for the Gennies.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 04, 2008, 01:33:32 PM
Dukeofargyle:

You seem to be right - Washington and Lee does need to "steady down" and take care of the ball.  Last night's game should have been the Generals.  I know it was billed as a game of equals, but the Quakers gave the Generals many, many chances for a win.  It is early though, and the new talent will hopefully take the reins and run with it. 

As for Bridgewater - I'm surprised at their struggles.  I know they lost point-guard Jessica Timberlake, but I think they have the talent to regroup.  Any Eagles out there know what's going on??

EMU continues to roll with teamwork.  The concept can't be beat!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on December 04, 2008, 02:52:17 PM
Excellent week in ODAC play. Taking a look at some of these games, the ones that jump out at you immediately are RMC Lynchburg, Guilford W&L, and Bridgewater and Roanoke.

The RMC Lynchburg game, at it's beginning, was an ugly one. And by ugly, I mean a butt kicking. RMC was completely dominate over the Hornets for the first 10 minutes of the game. They were up by 20 at one point. Complacency seems to be the Yellow Jackets' biggest weakness. Whenever they get a huge lead they all seem to settle into a complacent game flow. Lynchburg took advantage of this attitude and made it a game. Someone asked if either team played defense, I will say YES defense was played. A couple of charges occurred, so I wouldn't blame defense on the high scoring affair. I would blame two high powered offensive minded teams, and the fact that RMC got complacent, let Lynchburg get back in it, and then had to put some serious points on the board to take the W. Congrats to Amanda Hiltunen for getting that 1,000th point and beyond. POY status? Maybe.

Guilford W&L. Overtime game between two teams in the middle to lower tier of the ODAC. This just shows how competitive this league is. Guilford is always a tough team to go against. They are 100% in your face 40 minutes of the game and have threats both inside and outside the paint. A plus that Guilford can take from a tight game to a weaker W&L squad? More OT experience. This is their second overtime game ALREADY this season. They won in OT over Emory and Henry who also are always tough, and now they have another OT win over this W&L team. These types of games so early in the season prepares them for the real barn burners later in the year.

BC and Roanoke. The fact that Roanoke beat Bridgewater so resoundingly really doesn't surprise me. Losing Jessica Timberlake hurt more than a lot of people were really willing to admit. She played, literally 37 minutes a game. The offense was obsolete without her in the game both physically and mentally. With her getting that much burn means her BACK UP point guard didn't see the floor much and even if she did she wasn't responsible for the same things Timberlake was. Then if you put Burkholder at the 1 you take away some of her ability to score because she has more things to worry about. Roanoke struggled without Hansen most of last season which gave Dunnagan a year to figure out how to win without her.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on December 14, 2008, 04:12:15 PM
Big news coming out of the CAC - UMW defeated #1 Kean Saturday in Goolrick Gymnasium. That's 36 straight home wins in Fredericksburg.

This directly impacts the ODAC since RMC will be taking on UMW in St. Thomas on the 29th.

This will be quite a contest. Ashton Mitchell is UMW's go to post player and really their only inside threat. Ariail and Riesbeck should out size and out power her. She is more of a finesse post player whereas Molly and Lindsay bring blunt force into the paint. HOWEVER - Mitchell can shoot both inside and outside the paint and should not be taken lightly, she will challenge M and L's ability to guard post players outside of the lane, which has proven difficult in the past. RMC must take advantage of their size and pound the ball inside, and the post for RMC must beware Mitchell's ability to block shots.

As far as guard play is concerned - UMW has two senior guards, Katy Larson and Kaitie Clarkin to look out for. Both are deadly beyond the arc (especially Clarkin... an NBA three is a walk in the park for her) and Larson can take it to the rack with the best of the guards in Division III. Larson also has the ability to take the game into her own hands, which is a great tool for Mary Washington to make use of. Amanda Hiltunen will be tested defensively in this match up. I personally would put her on Larson: she is very quick and Hiltunen will match up with her well both offensively and defensively.

I'm going to predict a RMC win, simply because UMW is away from their home court and is a very young team in a true rebuilding year. Coach Applebury has done a good job tweaking her game plan for such a young line up and has found success in her veteran triangle of Mitchell, Clarkin, and Larson. I feel the youth might hurt them in this match up. This is going to be a close one and I just wish it was being played somewhere in Virginia (since the two schools are only 30 minutes away from eachother!).

Anybody know if it will be broadcasted???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mamadukes on December 15, 2008, 06:12:34 PM
I've found no links to the game, but will post broadcast info if any becomes available.
The outcome of this game depends on so much. Playing a few days after a long break can be trying to these athletes.
While I appreciate your knowledge of the UMW and RMC programs, eaglejacket, I think there may be a few surprises for you when you see this year's UMW squad.  ;)
But the true tests for both teams will be how they finish the season.  It's far too early to know in either the ODAC or the CAC. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 19, 2008, 10:27:02 PM
 Bridgewater 56, Occidental 51 FINAL

George Fox is going to be a tough assignment on Saturday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 20, 2008, 05:33:10 PM
George Fox 64, Bridgewater 52 FINAL

BC did lead 30-28 at the half.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 20, 2008, 07:55:29 PM
VWC loses to Occidental 78-68 in the same tourney.   Tough losses for both ODAC teams.  At least Bridgewater picked up one win.

A few more games over the holidays - Lynchburg vs Augustana tomorrow, RMC vs Mary Washington and Cabrini (in St. Thomas!!) on the 29th and 30th respectively and W&L against Apprentice schoo on the 30th ---- then the season really begins.  Can't wait.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 30, 2008, 12:08:41 PM
Why is there no chatter about RMC losing to Cabrini??
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mamadukes on December 30, 2008, 01:57:46 PM
Tough loss for both Virginia teams in St. Thomas. UMW fell to Montclair State with a buzzer beating three-pointing.  OUCH!
I think probably both teams got the rust out last evening and look forward to a great game tonight. 
Any idea why they don't play IN Virginia?  I know they've never scrimmaged, but not a scheduled game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mamadukes on December 30, 2008, 09:49:43 PM
Eaglejacket!
You owe me lunch! Eagles over Randolph-Macon 66-50.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on December 31, 2008, 02:37:19 PM
Hahah, you're absolutely right mamadukes. I'll take you to Outback sometime! haha.

From the information I've gathered, and the fact that the score was 50-66, UMW didn't only win the contest but did so in a rather decisive manner. Ashton Mitchell dropping in double digit figures shows that she is not only a finesse post presence, but also a gal that can go toe to toe with the power play of forwards like Molly Ariail and Lindsay Riesbeck. I really wish I could have seen this game with my own eyes to truly analyze what happened. I'm curious about what Hiltunen was able to do, as well as Molly and Lindsay inside. I'm also curious about the defensive strategy that both coaches went with. It will be interesting to see when the stats come out and everybody gets a little more info.

No surprise that Katy Larson had a great game. She's working on CAC POY status in my opinion. The big surprise, and probably what put the Eagles over the top was 16 points from Ashley Reed. You can't scout for that, and having other people contribute on any given night has always been an advantage that UMW can count on. Kudos to her for stepping up big when it really mattered.

I'm with you mamadukes - I wish these two teams would schedule non-conference games on a yearly basis. They scrimmage almost every year, but the competition between the two is always fun to watch. Being only 30 mins away from each other is just the icing on the cake.

As far as R-MC's Christmas trip goes, they have to be a little concerned about traveling such a long way to pick up two losses. But knowing Coach LaHaye, I'd say that she and the rest of the Yellow Jackets will use the losses to learn about themselves and to figure out what changes need to be made in order to take home the ODAC title. The good side of all of this is it doesn't hurt their standing in the ODAC, which is what really matters. Look for them to make a real statement at the W&L game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mamadukes on December 31, 2008, 03:17:28 PM
You're on Eaglejacket!
I, for one, am anxious to see the boxscore and play-by-play of these games.  I hear the point spread at the half was only 4 points and the Eagles chipped away in the second half. They do that from time to time, as folks that have seen them play know. I, too, wish I could have been there. I'm sure more details will become available. Right now, I think RMC and UMW have a free day in St. Thomas. New Year's Eve in the VIrgin Islands, imagine that::)
Many surprises from this freshman laden squad this season, but not from Ashley, Kaitie, Katy and Ashton. While they all haven't been starters, they are very experienced so their success should not be surprising!
Mama's proud of all her girls, even the ones that play in the ODAC. :D
I'm back to the CAC board!
Happy New Year!   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 04, 2009, 05:15:25 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on December 04, 2008, 01:33:32 PM

"You seem to be right - Washington and Lee does need to "steady down" and take care of the ball.  Last night's game should have been the Generals." 

Oh man, girls, sweeeeet! Steady as it goes. The sophs & freshman  are growing up!!! Amazing, amazing game.

The Generals over Randolph Macon, 67-66. Meg Ingram was awesome. Herman, Bolton, Nadeau & Camp did a great job down low over the RMC' s strongest  post game in ODAC.  W&L up by 16 at half & Gennies out-rebounded RMC in first half.  Forced a large number of turnovers on RMC in second.

Congrats go out from Lex to Molly Ariel for her great game and her 1000 points tonight.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 04, 2009, 06:47:47 PM
Dukeofargyle - I knew when RMC lost to a team like Cabrini that W & L might be able to take RMC.  Great win for the Generals - glad to see the playing time was spread around a bit.  Season looks bright!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 04, 2009, 08:28:30 PM
Yep; W & L led against Cabrini 'til about 2 mins left in that game. Interesting that RMC led at no time during tonight's game other than for 1 minute by 2 points right after tipoff.

3 things that were real rewarding in this game; even though RMC came back after the half and recovered their 16 points to tie it up, W&L kept their composure and answered with consistent defense to slow them down and the offense scored at key moments.

The second is that W&L has an emerging offense that could now quickly jell with Nadeau who is a tough, steady & composed presence controlling the baseline, Bolton who is an athletic player who gets great position to score, Ingram who sees the court well for assists & is hard to defend as she can score from about any position, and Herman who can apparently shoot from inside or outside the paint, & whose  presence can change the dynamic of any game as soon as she steps on to the court (as long as she stays out of foul trouble).  Add to these the ability for some swipes & sweet threes from Ridenhour, Long, Pfannenstein & Horan and you could have a team that should be capable of some impressive offensive output.

The third is that their defense put great consistent pressure on RMC; the W&L guards causing chaos and forcing turnovers on the yellow jackets and Camp's defensive abilities in the paint giving them few easy looks underneath. It's all about teamwork.  We will see...could make the season real interesting, as you said.

Exciting game - kudos to both RMC and W&L.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 05, 2009, 08:53:51 AM
This Generals team will surprise some people this year.  If they can keep playing solid defense and Herman out of foul trouble, they will be competitive this year.  Coach King did a great job after the Newport News game on getting them to play with more intensity on defense and getting Herman to be a factor for more minutes.  If they can win 2 of 3 this week then watch out.  It will be interesting to see how Ingram does as the league realizes that she is a special player.  She played AAU with girls that went to Florida, Wake, ODU, UNC Charlotte and Towson.  I assure you that she will not be intimidated as the season progresses.  She did block RMC 6'2" girls shot last night.  Watch out, this could be the start of something special.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 05, 2009, 11:52:17 AM
It was a very exciting win for W & L!  The team needs to focus on the teamwork they are building - don't get caught up focusing on one or two players.  The Generals Team brought down Randolph Macon.  Good luck against VWC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on January 05, 2009, 04:11:03 PM
WOW - that's about all I can say about W&L defeating a, as of late, struggling Randolph Macon team. Big ups go to Coach King for rallying a group of young players in a rebuilding year and making them believe that they truly can compete - and after that performance it's not merely a belief anymore. I know that the nay-sayers at the beginning of the year were kind of counting the Generals out of the race - I myself was one of them. After shutting down a team with so much offensive talent, it's hard to ignore their presence. Kudos. I'm very interested to see what they do against VWC. They have very much piqued my interest.

As far as R-MC is concerned... With all of the talent that is just oozing out of that team, a key question has to be asked: "What the heck is going on down in Ashland?"... They have two players who have scored over 1,000 points in Ariail and Hiltunen. I'm sure Riesbeck isn't far away from that mark either. That's a minimum THREE people who know how to put the ball in the basket at a fairly impressive rate. Then you have an extremely athletic point guard in Jen O'Briant, who can handle the basketball and run the offense pretty well. As far as defense is concerned: they have two fairly agile post players OVER 6 feet tall to create a presence down low. A very athletic defender in Renee Stein (who can also score by the way). Probably one of the best defenders in the ODAC in Amanda Hiltunen... And they still can't find a way to stop teams from scoring lately.

My point here is this: And don't misjudge this, I'm not trying to take anything away from W&L in this victory, BUT there is absolutely no reason for Randolph-Macon to be losing. The talent they have is honestly unmatched, but perhaps the pieces just aren't being put together properly? Perhaps they're unmotivated? - although that's hard to imagine. Coming off of two losses in the Islands would certainly motivate the average athlete to perform better when she returned to the States. Maybe they're too structured in their offenses? Or perhaps not enough? There is a big question mark here that bodes answering. If it remains uncertain, then Macon can kiss their title hopes goodbye, much less any hopes of dancing later in the year.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 05, 2009, 05:08:27 PM
Eaglejacket - I am new to ODAC bball but could RMC problem be that they were tired from traveling.  They shot poorly in the first half and were sloppy with the ball.  They certainly have a group of talented players.  BUT could it be that the conference is getting more balanced and you have to bring your A game every night to win.  The Generals lost to Guilford in OT by 2 and would have won in regulation if they had about .1 more seconds.  A last shot was ruled off and taken off the board sending it into OT.  This week will certainly tell more about the Generals.  If they win 2 of 3 this week they should start getting some respect.  They play well together as a team and Coach King is doing a great job with such a young team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 06, 2009, 09:48:03 AM
Predictions??

   7:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Bridgewater     
   7:00 PM  Randolph   Randolph-Macon     
   7:00 PM  Roanoke   Lynchburg     
   7:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Virginia Wesleyan 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 06, 2009, 02:36:38 PM
My picks: EMU, RMC, Roanoke.

W&L  & VWU?

My views are based on last season & also this one; despite all the obvious huge talents on the RMC squad that eaglejacket mentioned, I still feel that VWU may be a stronger or more focused team than RMC.

I do not count out our Gennies, but they will have to come to this game with all the intensity & passion- especially defensively- that they brought to the RMC game. If they can battle it out to a close end... who knows?

IMO, the strength of a team is how tough they are at the end - not the beginning - of a game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 06, 2009, 05:03:26 PM
My picks: 

Bridgewater - even though I like the teamwork EMU is focusing on, I think Bridgewater is due for a "real" win.

RMC - if they don't get this one, they might as well throw the towel in!

Lynchburg - Coach Dunagin does a great job, but I think Lynchburg is also due for a good win. 

VWC - the Generals are coming off a really good contest,  but their earlier games don't bode well for an immediate turn around. 

We'll see in a couple hours.  Anybody else want to weigh in?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 06, 2009, 07:02:28 PM
This team is really young.  When Bolton gets healthy, watch out.  They are able to play with anyone in the ODAC.  This game will tell a lot.  The Generals should not be overlooked.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 06, 2009, 10:18:52 PM
Whitecaylxx - congrats on your 4 for 4 picks.

To be honest I wouldn't have picked Bridgewater over EMU, but Lynchburg was due. 

The Macon score indicates they won easily but box score shows they were closely matched in rebounding and only shot 60% free throws (albeit A LOT). Possibly still recovering from their trip and tough loss at W&L.   FYI - Lindsay Riesbeck reached 1000 points tonight during the RMC game with a total of 12 on the evening with 18 minutes of play.  She's the 3rd Yellow Jacket to reach that milestone this year with Hiltunen hitting the mark earlier in the season against Lynchburg and Arail reaching 1000 just this past Sunday when they played W&L.

http://www.rmc.edu/News/WBBALL09%20-%20Randolph.aspx (http://www.rmc.edu/News/WBBALL09%20-%20Randolph.aspx)

VWC continues to be consistent and tough.

Looks to be an interesting season with a lot of teams beating each other.  Already are five teams with 2 conference losses.  Could make for interesting seedings come tourney time.



Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on January 06, 2009, 10:44:44 PM
what about those Hornets tonight?  What an upset to Roanoke.  But you are right, they were due.  Coach Tobey is doing a great job.   It was a close game throughout, but as someone said earlier, its the one who plays best at the end stretch...or something to that affect.   Congratulations to the Hornets!!!!   ::)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 07, 2009, 11:34:10 AM
The statistics that really sticks out on the Generals / Marlins game are the 29 turnovers with only 6 assists.  W & L couldn't handle the pressure,  and they need to be looking for the open player.  The Generals were still competitive for awhile.   Great game for Kara Nadeau.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 07, 2009, 12:34:15 PM
Kara Nadeau really played well and provided senior leadership.  She plays so hard every game and sets a great example for the rest of the team.  Very sloppy with 29 turnovers.  The Generals are playing some competitive bball, just need to finish and get a few more wins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 07, 2009, 01:08:50 PM
I didn't go to the game (4 hours away) but from what I remember, VW doesn't match up with W&L as well as some of the other ODAC teams do.  Listening in on the internet, VW's experience won out, though it seemed like a real sloppy game with unforced turnovers on both sides. Such a young team as W&L needs to first learn to be able to take care of the ball & return pressure for pressure.  Shots from any of the starters were just not falling as they usually do, except in Nadeau, whose experience & composure showed & won her a great game.

To be out-rebounded by VW 38 to 43 also a factor; as whoever out rebounds usually wins. Being defensively minded, I think it should bears repeating that the better the defense, the better fueled the offense.   Props to VW for the win.

The Generals will continue to be more & more competitive as the season progresses & the youngsters become more confident, as they certainly have better team dynamics than last season, and the talent is well spread out. Rough week for the Gennies though, with 4 real tough games lined up in their first week back at school.

Props also go out to the Hornets for their win over Roanoke.  Nice work to have taken down the other 'undefeated' in the conference.  Also to Bridgewater for their surprising win over EMU. 

Apparently, no one can be overlooked. I think Bammer could have a point about the conference becoming more balanced & more competitive, which would be awesome.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on January 09, 2009, 08:56:23 AM
Lot of big games tonight!  Any predictions? 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 09, 2009, 09:42:00 AM
Here's hoping that The Generals don't tun to ball over as much.  Taking a chance but picking them over LC.  Should be a good game.  If the Generals can pull this one off, they will have moved up to the middle of the pack.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on January 09, 2009, 10:11:21 AM
However, if LC plays like they did the other night over Roanoke.....that would be a good thing.  Turnovers are still a problem...but if they can stay focused, they could pull it off.  I am going with LC.  But you are right, it should be a great game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 09, 2009, 11:15:51 AM
   7:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Roanoke     
   7:00 PM  Bridgewater   Guilford     
   7:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Emory & Henry     
   7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Washington & Lee 

Many potentially tight games tonight.  My roll of the dice is:

RMC, Bridgewater, EMU, and Lynchburg
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 09, 2009, 02:55:26 PM
My picks:
RMC over Roanoke
Bridgewater over Guilford
EMU over E&H
W&L over Lynchburg

Agree all could really go either way depending on which team shows up to play with the right degree of determination.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: goblue on January 09, 2009, 08:48:15 PM
W&L over LC, 94-77 ... Another dynamite win for the Generals. Way to knock off the pre-season #1 and #2 teams!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 09, 2009, 09:28:10 PM
Young guns of Lynchburg vs young guns of W&L: a 17 point win for W&L over the Hornets, with a 9 point deficit at half for LC.

Sloppy ball handling on both sides at times, but here is the game by numbers: W&L over LC 39-36 on the boards; Bolton had 29 points and 10 RB's, Ridenhour had 15 points, Herman 14 points, 9 RB's, Ingram had 13 points, Nadeau had 6 pts 6 RB's.

Offensive flow settled in for W&L during the second half. Nice inside-outside play, great contributions from Long on some sweet ball handling and Camp for her steady defensive pressure, blocks 4 RB's and 9 points.

Brittany Dahn had a great game for Hornets: 8 for 11 shooting, 21 points and 11 RB's.

Looks like it's going to be a real interesting season, folks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 09, 2009, 10:27:28 PM
Macon by 30 over Roanoke!!! Final 73-43  Looks like RMC got their groove back.  This appeared to be a close one at half.  Can't tell by box score what happened to Noke in the 2nd period that caused them to only score 16 points.

Guilford takes OT to down Bridgewater 69-61

EMU over E&H 63-47

W&L with another impressive win takes down Lynchburg

5 teams with 2 losses!!!  Everyone chasing VWC.  They play Roanoke tomorrow.  A few days ago would have thought this would be the battle of undefeateds.  Will still be a good one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 10, 2009, 09:11:44 AM
Impressive play by W & L.  Teamwork, teamwork does it every time!   Macon by 30 - wow!  You wonder which team is going to show up with RMC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on January 10, 2009, 12:44:31 PM
Happy to hear that RMC is back on the right track.  Glancing at the box score, it seems as though Macon decided to go with a more balanced attack - which is NEVER a bad idea. Three players in double figures, no one player taking over 10 shots. Beautiful basketball. Balanced play is precisely how teams find themselves going deep into both the ODAC tournament as well as the NCAA. (Not counting my chickens though). The more that Macon begins to realize that all of the offense doesn't have to come from inside (or outside for that matter), the more we will see them succeed. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a continuance of that balanced performance.

When I read the game description, I couldn't help but think about the mens Duke vs. VaTech game. Tech also kept it close in the first, but could only score 16 points in the second half. The point here being, don't hang your head Roanoke, because even Division I competitive mens basketball teams struggle at times. Everybody knows that Roanoke is a tough team in the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 10, 2009, 05:18:41 PM
Barn burner going on in Roanoke
5:00 to go Roanoke up by 3 over VWC.

Back and forth the entire game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 10, 2009, 05:22:57 PM
2:00 to go now, VWC up by 1
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 10, 2009, 06:09:20 PM
Final on VW – Roanoke? Roanoke wins 61-60!!! Gholson with 18 points, 10 RB's-

WOW! AWESOME JOB for the MAROONS!...and NO more 'undefeateds' in the ODAC. The field is opening up!

W&L over Randolph by 17 points (for the second time in 24 hours); 75-58. Ingram had another great game w/ 26 points to lead all scorers; 10 of 13 from the field; 6 for 9 from the 3 point line. Solid team work in game, W&L played some nice inside defense, broke the press, looked focused & got the job done...

Any other results to post?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 10, 2009, 07:33:12 PM
EMU over Guilford  67-53
Bridgewater over E&H 70-69
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 10, 2009, 09:54:40 PM
Great job by the Generals coaching staff.  Everyone involved and Camp providing some solid minutes.  Herman is such a force.  Bolton and Ingram could be a force for quite a while.  Ingram had a great week and capped it off with a super game, great hustle and an awesome offensive display.  This team seems to have great chemistry and really plays together well.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 11, 2009, 12:00:07 PM
Bammer and dukeofargyle are right - this year's team seems to have very good chemistry.  The new girls have taken the reigns and are working with each other.   Last year it seemed like everyone was out for themselves.  I hope the team keeps rolling along.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on January 12, 2009, 10:18:51 AM
Talk about bouncing back strong - Roanoke loses to R-MC by 30 then turns around and beats VWC. Anybody got a scouting report on that game?

Looks like the VaTech comparison reiterates itself - VT loses brutally to Duke, then turns around and defeats, it pains me to say, Virginia. Except in this case Roanoke just beat the traditional Duke of the ODAC. Impressive.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 13, 2009, 12:27:35 PM
   7:00 PM  Bridgewater   Lynchburg     
   7:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Hollins     
   7:00 PM  Guilford   Randolph     
   7:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Eastern Mennonite

My picks:

Bridgewater - I'm keeping the faith.

Emory & Henry

Guilford - though Randolph usually gets someone unexpected

Washington & Lee - they have been playing well the last couple games and EMU has 3 injuries / illnesses

Come on people - represent your team or thoughts.  This board is getting too boring to participate on anymore.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 13, 2009, 12:44:33 PM
Picking Lynchburg, E&H, Randolph and the Generals.  Sorry to hear about the injuries/illness at Eastern Mennonite.  Looking forward to seeing the youngsters from W&L and see if they will show consistency.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 13, 2009, 08:20:43 PM
My picks:
Lynchburg
Emory & Henry
Guilford
EMU - even with illness and injuries.  It just seems when anyone has started to make a run, they can't seem to hold on to success, e.g. RMC dropping two games early unexpectedly, Roanoke dropping two this past weekend then VWC losing their first ODAC game this weekend too.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 13, 2009, 08:46:26 PM
Well W&L wins 71-69 on a last second 3 pointer!  I can't even pick the right team when I make my picks 45 minutes after start of the game.

Guilford over Randolph 72-64.

Anyone else have other scores?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 13, 2009, 08:56:49 PM
Yep!, sorry, Hoopstermom - about your wrong pick on this one...

EMU is such a tough draw on any floor. Even so, W&L takes EMU on a hostile court at Yoder Arena in Harrisonburg, 71-69.  Ridenhour hits a triple with 2 seconds left to go to win.

Even with a rebound deficit of 24-38, all props have to be given to the young guns of W&L: Sophomore Long stepped up & had a critical late 3 right before Ridenhour hit her final game winning 3. Sophomore Herman had a career high with 20 points, 8 RBs with 10 for 12 FG; freshmen Ingram double teamed but still chipped in 15 points, while Bolton had 14 points and an amazing 11 assists. And as always, Nadeau was steady as a rock.

Amazing game; just great basketball. Folks, looks like these youngsters can run with the big dogs!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 14, 2009, 06:34:25 AM
Bridgewater big over Lynchburg 79-57.   :o

I give up with picks and will stick to listening and watching good basketball because that's what we're getting this year.  I LOVE the balance and equity among the ranks.  Keeps you guessing and on your toes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 14, 2009, 08:59:33 AM
How about those Eagles?  I think they finally have it coming together.  Great job Long for Washington and Lee and also a clutch 3 pointer for Rodenhour.   Don't give up predicting Hoopster mom - it makes it fun for all of us.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 14, 2009, 10:26:32 AM
How do you think W&L will do the rest of the season?  Is this just a hot streak or the start of a really good season?  I believe that they are competitive with anyone in the league.  The chemistry is great.  They need to avoid injuries and foul trouble since they are short on bodies.  Since this is the first year that I have followed the ODAC, I am impressed with how many teams are evenly matched, no super team at this stage that is head and shoulders better than the rest.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 14, 2009, 12:05:18 PM
Whoa. Looks like you're right, Bammer.

Just checked that box score. EMU ran 11 girls into the contest while W&L had only 7 players contribute. Looks like they may have had it backwards about the illness & injuries being on the Royals squad. The Royals sure seem to have been healthier, by the numbers of the bench they were able to send out, as most of them had contributions to the game.

Congrats to Coach King for great use of her talent in a really tight contest & giving her 7 players enough strategic breaks to ensure the win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 14, 2009, 12:28:27 PM
EMU has 2 key players (1 starter and one reserve )with ligament damage and 1 starter with an ongoing illness.  Washington and Lee has more than 7 players but they don't seem to get to play - ??  Nevertheless, another good win for the Generals team.  The race to the top seems wide open.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 14, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
Harper & Camp have injuries for W&L, and there may be illnesses in the rest of the bench. It's that time of year.

Here's hoping all the ODAC players recover and/or stay healthy in coming weeks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 14, 2009, 05:44:44 PM
Did you W & L watchers notice that the girls only had 11 turnovers and they had 22 assists?  That's like some kind of record.  Keep up the good work freshmen.  Washington and Lee versus Roanoke seems to be the next big game in the ODAC. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 15, 2009, 09:37:13 AM
This Generals team has exceeded expectations as per the preseason poll.  Herman has been such a force.  She is such a smart player and has made great progress on not picking up silly fouls.  She has the chance to be the best true center in the ODAC this year.  The seniors are leading this team with their leadership and consistent play.  Kara plays so hard and smart every game.  Bethany has handled the press well and comes through in the clutch.  The freshman have been really impressive with their confidence and how well they have blended in tothe team.  Ingram is second in the league in scoring and shows such great hustle, not bad for a freshman.  She plays a lot of minutes but never slacks off.  Notice the blocks she has hustled back and gotten this year.  Bolton will be a force in this league for years.  She will do it all, rebound, score, assists and solid defense.  Look for a few bumps in the road but they could really surprise people come tournament time.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 16, 2009, 07:50:15 AM
OK I'll go first this time, my picks in bold for tonight's games as well as tomorrow's. 
I'm not holding my breath though, based on my prior record, I am easily reminded why I don't gamble for money.


Hollins at Bridgewater

Emory & Henry at Virginia Wesleyan

Roanoke at Washington & Lee (OK, I picked W&L this time, I hope I don't jinx them)

Guilford at Randolph-Macon

Randolph at Lynchburg

Saturday:
Lynchburg at Hollins

Washington & Lee at Bridgewater

Emory & Henry at Randolph-Macon

Eastern Mennonite at Roanoke

Guilford at Virginia Wesleyan

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 16, 2009, 11:53:18 AM
Jan. 16
   7:00 PM  Roanoke   Washington & Lee     
   7:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Virginia Wesleyan     
   7:00 PM  Hollins   Bridgewater     
   7:00 PM  Guilford   Randolph-Macon     
   7:00 PM  Randolph   Lynchburg

Only big game Friday is this one - Roanoke has had only one quality win, so I go with Washington & Lee

Virginia Wesleyan
Bridgewater
RMC
Lynchburg   

 
Jan. 17
   2:00 PM  Lynchburg   Hollins     
   3:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Bridgewater     
   4:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Roanoke     
   4:00 PM  Guilford   Virginia Wesleyan     
   4:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Randolph-Macon 

Lynchburg
Bridgewater over W & L - W & L might have more to work with, but it's Jean Willi's house and I'm betting on her.  Dicey game, though.
EMU - but this is a toss up for me.
VWC - even though they showed their vulnerability
RMC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 16, 2009, 01:37:05 PM
Friday picking W&L, VWC, Bridgewater, Randolph Macon
Saturday picking Lynchburg, W&L, EMU, upset with Guilford over VWC and Randolph Macon

The Generals have 2 games that will tell more about them.  If they split, they will be in OK shape but a sweep would really send a message.

GO GENERALS
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on January 16, 2009, 04:50:26 PM
Quote from: Bammer on January 15, 2009, 09:37:13 AM
This Generals team has exceeded expectations as per the preseason poll.  Herman has been such a force.  She is such a smart player and has made great progress on not picking up silly fouls.  She has the chance to be the best true center in the ODAC this year.

Slow down Bammer! :-D  Give Herman her due, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I'm going to have to vote for either Molly Ariail or Lindsey Riesbeck for that honor. In Molly's case, she's got pure size and strength on her side as well as the fact that she's nearly averaging double-doubles at 16.4 ppg and 8.2 boards per contest. Throw in 15 blocks and 15 steals, and you have your best true center winner. True center is a player that likes to hang around the paint and literally OWN it - Molly does that. True centers also get to the free throw line on a consistent basis (it's part of the game, watch Tyler Hansborough). Molly has been to the line 81 times...  Linsdsey is more of a 4, but still puts together a great case because of her finesse down low.

Nothing at all against Herman, her numbers are also impressive: 10.4 ppg, 6.9 boards. But she's only seen the charity stripe 12 times, and has only racked up 3 blocks. She's a solid ODAC center and might find herself with some All-ODAC honors at the end of the year (2nd team or honorable mention), but I can't find an legitimate argument for her to be a better true center just because W&L is hot right now and defeated Randolph Macon.  Due respect to the Generals and Herman, I wish them luck on the rest of their season, but I just can't give her my vote for best True Center.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 16, 2009, 09:39:40 PM
Hollins       38     Bridgewater (Va.)       80      Final
Not a surprise      
      
Emory and Henry    60    Virginia Wesleyan    57    Final    
I would not have picked this one if someone had guaranteed me
         
Roanoke    71    Washington and Lee    68    Final    
Of course when I pick W&L they lose, at home no less
      
Guilford    64    Randolph-Macon    84    Final    
I got one right    
      
Randolph    61    Lynchburg    74
Closer than I expected

Will be interesting tomorrow as E&H faces RMC in Ashland.  Big win for the Wasps tonight.  Makes me wonder if something is up with VWC though.  But E&H will be revved after this win and should be another good one v RMC tomorrow

W&L v Bridgewater should be tight too.   W&L will need to win keep in the mix, but I agree with calyxx, Willi is tough at home

EMU v Roanoke - if Roanoke picks up another win here which I think they will at home, they're showing what they're made of after dropping two unexpectedly last week.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 17, 2009, 05:26:02 PM
What an exciting win for the Bridgewater Eagles at home - 70 - 69.  W & L had the game in hand - but you should never count Jean Willi out - especially on her home court.  Great win for the Eagles.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 17, 2009, 07:14:36 PM
P.S.  Good job Hoopstermom for picking Roanoke over EMU - it wasn't even close!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 18, 2009, 09:04:20 PM
Eaglejacket,
In reviewing the ODAC championships of the past 15 years, it's apparent that the ODAC has clear and perennial favorites in women's basketball: Roanoke, RMC and Bridgewater, all of which have contended against each other for most of the ODAC titles during this period.

Frankly, I would love to see some of the more unsung colleges play in the title match. I don't necessarily think it will be the very young W&L this year, although it could happen- but to have a VW, Lynchburg, Randolph, Emory & Henry or an EMU in the last game battling for the conference title occasionally would be tremendous.

So, you may also want to slow down also in your eager offerings of all of the RMC's post players well-known & impressive stats, because I think it's a safe bet that Bammer did not intend to insult anyone, particularly your favorite RMC gals. IMO, a fan who is as new to the ODAC as is Bammer can be pardoned for enthusiastic posts about some of the W&L players who are responsible for what is turning out to be a real exciting season for the Generals.

Out of the Generals 4 conference losses, 3 were won by the opposing team by one shot only, at the last second. So were 2 of W&L's wins: RMC and EMU were won by a one-shot point spread. Hey - win or lose - this makes for great basketball.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 19, 2009, 06:40:19 AM
Never did I mean to disrespect Macon or their players.  That would be like saying that Carolina with their mighty roster might lose an ACC game (just kidding).  It was a very sobering weekend with 2 Generals loses, close but still loses.  The freshmen showed signs of being freshmen.  It is great to see the Generals being in the games and winnning their fair share.  Here's hoping that the second time through the conference is even better.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 19, 2009, 08:20:26 AM
I think its tremendous that there is no much parity this year among the ODAC teams. It is great that in recent years VWC and now W&L, EMU and others are flexing their muscles.  It only bodes well for our conference over all.  Of course I'll have my favorite teams, but 30 years removed from  playing, the intensity of wanting the always winners to lose has been tempered.  I now eagerly and zealously root for all ODAC teams whenever they are playing outside the conference and only hope for a good game whenever two play each other, meaning no injuries and earnest play that is not dampened by poor refereeing or sloppy play.

Let the games continue.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 19, 2009, 09:25:45 AM
There has been a lot of discussion about the increasing parity of talent in the ODAC.  I don't think Washington and Lee is going to be able to use SAT scores anymore as an excuse for not being able to recruit good talent.  They obviously have reloaded this year.  I also think the days of Randolph Macon being above the fray are over.  They have not been head and shoulders above the rest this year.  The one worrisome thing, however, is that none of the ODAC teams are ranked.  Are we getting stronger - or weaker??
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2009, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on January 19, 2009, 09:25:45 AM
There has been a lot of discussion about the increasing parity of talent in the ODAC.  I don't think Washington and Lee is going to be able to use SAT scores anymore as an excuse for not being able to recruit good talent.  They obviously have reloaded this year.  I also think the days of Randolph Macon being above the fray are over.  They have not been head and shoulders above the rest this year.  The one worrisome thing, however, is that none of the ODAC teams are ranked.  Are we getting stronger - or weaker??
I think that the ODAC is falling back into the pack.

Please remember that the women have 400 teams competing in basketball.  The Top 25 lists only 1/16th of the eligible teams.  When "power conferences" such as the UAA and the WIAC gobble up 2-3 bids each, that leaves only about 20 slots for 380 teams or 1/19th!  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on January 19, 2009, 11:01:45 AM
I highly doubt anyone's intentions on this board are to disrespect teams, players, coaches, or even d3hoops posters - the intentions are (at least I believe so) to discuss, debate, and argue certain points regarding play in the ODAC. Trust me when I say I absolutely welcome the arguments for another True Center other than Molly Ariail - that is what this forum is here for. In my general opinion (despite what some would consider "favoritism"), Molly Ariail has to be the selection based on the numbers. While I also realize that stats aren't everything in basketball - sometimes intangibles are much more valuable- in this case Molly's numbers are tough to ignore. Place that with the intangibles that she possesses, I can not see a very talented Herman as a replacement for True Center.

As far as the recent upsets and exciting wins are concerned, hoopstermom said it best: "its tremendous that there is no much parity this year among the ODAC teams." I think ALL basketball fans can attribute to that. Who wants to watch VWC pound opponents into submission? It's just not entertaining.

I do welcome the parity, but I also am worried about the strength of the ODAC overall. Not having a single team in the Top 25 or receiving votes, despite the percentage or fraction of likelihood that it would happen, cannot help the ODAC overall. And parity doesn't necessarily mean that the conference is weaker - look at our neighbors in the CAC. They have three ranked teams in Marymount, Mary Washington, and York. They also have parity, but the parity is welcomed more because it allows the conference to be represented full fold on the national scale as well as opens up more doors for at large bids into the NCAA tournament. It is this reason why I am with whitecaylxx on seeing the need to raise the question - are we getting weaker or stronger?  -- I think inconsistency is the true achilles heel  here. When teams like VWC, or even the beloved W&L can knock off "the big dogs" and then turn around and lose games that in all reality shouldn't be lost - it's almost easier to call it parity when in reality it might actually be inconsistency??
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 19, 2009, 01:04:49 PM
IMHO I think the ODAC IS getting stronger.  Bridgewater only got in one post ODAC tourney game last year, but Macon went 3 games deep in 06-07, 4 games deep in 05-06, and was NCAA runner up in 04-05, EMU went 2 games deep in 03-04.  I'd say that was pretty darn good for a five year period.

Relatively though, all teams in DIII have improved in play as well which leads to the ODAC accomplishments being overshadowed.  Players are quicker, faster, taller, more athletic overall.    I'm not sure I would say we have "fallen back into the pack"  - I would categorize ODAC play as having worked it's way up to the middle of the pack with a few recent surges into the higher end of the pack.  THAT's progress.

I think it can only continue to get better.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 20, 2009, 02:28:14 PM

Relatively though, all teams in DIII have improved in play as well which leads to the ODAC accomplishments being overshadowed.  Players are quicker, faster, taller, more athletic overall.   

Hoopstermom,
This is more true than you may realize. I have been reading a number of articles recently that state just exactly what you said above.

A few years back, a well known eastern college's AD in D/1 once told me:  "It isn't the same as it was 10 years ago. There is just not that much difference anymore between the quality of athletes & talent in D/I and D/III...", though I still feel that size is will be a factor here.

For some college athletes, the choice may be for the type/quality of college experience they wish, and not necessarily only for scholarship money. Many kids don't realize 'til it is too late that a D/I or D/II athletic scholarship is a full-time job during college. Thus, there are often a number of athletic transfers across college divisions after freshman year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 20, 2009, 02:46:36 PM
I know that my daughter had D1 and D2 interest.  After a lot of thought, she decided that she preferred D3 instead.  In my opinion for her she made the right decision.  She wanted to go to college mainly for an education and was not willing to invest the time required for a D1,D2 athlete.  She wants to study 1 semester in the Far East and knew that was not an option unless she played D3 ball.  It has all worked out better than she dreamed.  She gets a lot of minutes, contributes to the team and loves the academics and has time to study.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on January 20, 2009, 02:56:09 PM
I agree 100%.  Having had a daughter who was recruited for D1 and went to a D1 school, she made the "travel team", but only saw minimal (and I mean minimal) amount of playing time for not only her freshmen year, but also her sophmore year.  It is a full time job, you are their's and you have very little to no time to yourself.  That is why my daughter now decided to go D3 as she would actually play. She saw her sister work as hard as everyone else (and even the ones who didn't make the "travel team" still worked hard just waiting for a spot to open) and get very  little playing time.  She decided that she wanted to go to school and do well in her studies, as well as practice hard and perform equally as well on the Court.  D1 is not for everyone!  But, again, to each their own.  But I do believe D3 works just as hard as D1.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 20, 2009, 03:48:32 PM
My picks for tonight in bold.  Expect the RMC-Lynchburg game to the best of the lot.  If RMC is clicking like they were over the weekend, they should win this one though.  Guilford and E&H could be close too.

Bridgewater 7:00 PM at Roanoke

Guilford 7:00 PM at Emory & Henry

Randolph  7:00 PM at Virginia Wesleyan

Randolph-Macon 7:00 PM at Lynchburg

Hollins 7:00 PM at Washington & Lee
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on January 20, 2009, 04:13:14 PM
My picks for tonight, also, are as follows.  If Lynchburg plays hard just like they did against Roanoke, they can pull it off, but there will be no room for errors, they just need to settle in and play the game.  I thnk the Bridgewater - Roanoke will also be another game to keep an eye on.

Bridgewater at Roanoke
Guilford at Emory & Henry
Randolph at Virginia Wesleyan
Randolph-Macon at Lynchburg
Hollins at Washington & Lee
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 20, 2009, 07:38:54 PM
Roanoke 31, Bridgewater 25 Halftime
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 20, 2009, 09:17:15 PM
Tonight's results:

Roanoke 60 Bridgewater 54
Guilford 71  Emory & Henry 63
Randolph Macon 76  Lynchburg 62
Washington & Lee 82  Hollins 47
Virginia Weslyan 53 Randolph 52 - two free throws with less than 2 seconds to go wins this one.  VWC significantly out-rebounded  52-35 though




Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 21, 2009, 10:36:32 AM
Anyone who thinks it is easier to play DIII is pretty misinformed.  Many DIII players do all the work required but get none of the "glory."  That is why you lose so many upperclassmen in D3, and why coaches must constantly fill empty slots.  It was really nice to see that a lot of the unsung heros got to play in the Washington and Lee / Hollins game.  Great job.  Wouldn't it have been fine if Randolph had beaten VWC?  (No offense to VWC.)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on January 21, 2009, 11:10:31 AM
I don't know if "easier" to play Division III or not, but it is definitely less structured work in the off-season. Division I and II are year round, and by year round I mean even when school is not in session they work out "optionally" (we all know what that means). At the start of the season, they can get in the gym sooner and they definitely hit the weights harder. Despite all that, there are many Division III programs that run just like a DI or II school - work just as hard, just as long, and are just as dedicated to success as those programs. I think the two big factors that separate DIII from the pack is the athletic scholarship opportunities and just sheer size. The biggest and most athletic players go DI or II because they can and because there are scholarship opportunities. DIII lets kids who love the game work hard and play while also, in some cases, allows for them to do the extracurriculars like sororities or taking trips out of the country.

But back to the ODAC! The big shocker of yesterday's contests most definitely has to be the VWC extremely close win over Randolph - in Virginia Beach, no less. It sounds to me like the Marlins had a case of "play to the level of your competition"-itis. And perhaps it's just recently set on because the last time these two teams met, VWC walked away with a 21 point victory. It's much more difficult to play down AT Randolph, just because of the facilities - the players are literally playing in a box. When I saw the score I assumed that's where the game was held. But because it was at home, it leads me to believe that the Marlins had a lapse in play and played to the level of their competition - which can be a good thing if you're playing someone great, but overall not something you want to strive for. This weekend's game in Ashland will shed a lot of light on this Marlins squad - I'd put money on it that they'll be ready for that one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 21, 2009, 11:21:42 AM
I agree, eaglejacket, the VWC / Randolph game is a very BIG story.  Randolph always gets some team, but VWC needs to be a little concerned.  What I think might be an even bigger story is the Bridgewater / Roanoke game.  Is anyone really not going to say anything about Bridgewater's 33 TURNOVERS?  I mean, really?? 33??  Add to that - Bridgewater only lost by 6 points!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 21, 2009, 11:29:53 AM
I got side-tracked.  I also wanted to point out that just because a player received D1 letters or had D1 coaches watching her games - does not mean the player could have gone D1.  If a scholarship was offered, that's one thing.  Otherwise - it's just "interest."
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 21, 2009, 12:23:18 PM
Congrats to the Lady Maroons. They played good defense, forcing 33 turnovers.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on January 21, 2009, 12:42:40 PM
In addition to my last e-mail, you also have to look at the fact that many of the players in D3 (if not all) have academic scholarships...which is always nice because if you get an injury, as long as you keep your studies up....they can't take it away.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 23, 2009, 09:50:15 AM

Jan. 23
7:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Randolph 
   
Jan. 24
   2:00 PM  Roanoke   Guilford     
   2:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Washington & Lee     
   2:00 PM  Virginia Wesleyan   Randolph-Macon     
   4:00 PM  Lynchburg   Eastern Mennonite 

Predictions?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on January 23, 2009, 04:18:23 PM
Jan. 23
7:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Randolph -- Clearly can't take Randolph lightly though, not after they nearly snuck by VWC.
   
Jan. 24
   2:00 PM  Roanoke   Guilford     - Even though it's tough to play in Guilford's gym, Roanoke has talent
   2:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Washington & Lee     - Two tough teams going head to head. Can't back the youth of W&L just yet. They win this one in decisive fashion, I'll hop on the band waggon.
   2:00 PM  Virginia Wesleyan   Randolph-Macon     -Jackets are at home, but VWC is looking to make a statement after barely squeaking by Randolph last week. If I could pick a game to go to, it would be this one.
   4:00 PM  Lynchburg   Eastern Mennonite  - It's tough to play in Hburg and the Royals don't have any real reason to fall to a team with only two really seasoned players in Darby and Dahn.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 24, 2009, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: eaglejacket1421 on January 23, 2009, 04:18:23 PM

   2:00 PM  Emory & Henry   Washington & Lee     - Two tough teams going head to head. Can't back the youth of W&L just yet. They win this one in decisive fashion, I'll hop on the band waggon.
 

Updates at 4:30 Saturday:

EMU takes Randolph 74-59 Friday

Roanoke drops Guildford 75-65 Saturday

RMC tops VW 79-55 at their house; these 2 teams now tied for second place in the ODAC. (Point spread - WOW...!)  RMC either wanted this one alot more more or VW is ailing and didn't battle back.

Washington & Lee over Emory & Henry 78-46.

W&L had 20 steals and W&L's board warriors are back- they out-rebounded E&H 37-32.

Ingram's shot is back,  torching E&H with a spectacular 25 points, 8-13 FG, 5-7 trifectas, 2 assists, 2 steals; E&H had no answer for Herman, who had a double-double with 14 points 7-9 FG, 10 RB, 2 steals, 1 block; Long with 9 points, 2 assists, 3 steals; Nadeau - 8RB's 4 points, 3 steals; Bolton 6 points an amazing 7 assists and 2 steals; Ridenhour- 5 points, 3 assists, 3 steals.

All the Generals but one made it into the scoring column.

BTW, Welcome to the bandwagon, eaglejacket.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 24, 2009, 06:23:13 PM
Macon definitely wanted this game more than Weslyan and their play demonstrated their desire.  They played a tremendous defensive game forcing 21 turnovers and holding VWC to only about 27% shooting in the 2nd half.   Inside play was rough at both ends of the floor and Molly Arail had to work hard the whole game both offensively and defensively but she showed why she will be a leading contender for POY.

The whole team contributed to the success.  For several 4 minute periods of time, RMC had four freshmen on the floor with Hiltunen running the show.

In past games between these two teams, Tonia Jones and Andrea Ushinski were key factors to VWC's success. RMC shut them both down holding each to only 4 points in this game.

I don't know what else may be ailing VWC, but given their close game with Randolph during the week and their performance tonight, they will need to regroup and figure it out quickly if they want to hold or improve their position.

RMC's loss to W&L must have really jolted them because they have been on a tear every since having won their last 7 games by and AVERAGE margin of 30 points.  It will be interesting to see if they can sustain this momentum throughout the season and into the ODAC tourney.

As we all know, nothing is a given.

Note:
One of VWC's players was injured late in the game.  I did not catch who it was, but I hope it was not serious and she recovers quickly. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 24, 2009, 06:37:55 PM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on January 24, 2009, 04:44:02 PM




RMC tops VW 79-55 at their house; these 2 teams now tied for second place in the ODAC.




Actually, Roanoke and RMC are tied at 1st with 9-2 records. VWC drops to 2nd at 8-3.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 25, 2009, 09:23:23 AM
True; apparently at at the time I checked the standings, they had not yet updated the ODAC website with the RMC win over VW.

Tremendous defensive game for RMC.... As we all know - it's defense that wins championships.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 25, 2009, 03:42:13 PM
Solid win for the Generals.  Just took care of business against a team they should beat and did.  Such a young team that keeps getting more consistent and improving.  The team chemistry is just improving game by game.  Herman and Bolton are so strong inside and Ingram is such an offensive threat.  They are playing off each other well.  Long is really contributing valuable minutes.  It should be interesting the second time through the league.  RMU will be tough and I suspect they do not really respect the Generals yet but the game at RMU should tell a lot.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on January 26, 2009, 11:43:47 AM
"BTW, Welcome to the bandwagon, eaglejacket."

It's a little crowded on the bandwagon, but I'll see if I can find a spot. My feet are still dangling off the side though - for whatever reason, I just can't seem to throw all of my eggs in the Generals' basket. Not this year at least. With their youth, I'd put my money on them in a couple of years - but then again, when you're young it's tough being intimidated by teams you haven't played, or don't have horror stories about. There is no such thing as a "big dog" when you're new to the ODAC. Coach King has done a great job shielding the young players from all the hype surrounding the marquee games. She's also done a great job molding young players to perform at a very high, veteran level. Many kudos her way.

This team could very well play the role that Bridgewater played last year - tournament sleeper surprise. Do I think this team has a chance at sliding into a NCAA tournament bid? Absolutely. Do I think that would be the best for the ODAC? Probably not. Last year is a prime example. BC made a humongous late season run- took home the ODAC Tournament trophy and then lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament to a sub-par team- at least at the national level. Not to take anything away from their run - I love Cinderella stories and Jean Willi has a knack of finding herself playing that role - most notably the Sweet 16 run when Katy Herr was floor general. But unless the "Cinderella" team goes deep into the tournament, it doesn't help the ODAC overall. Now say W&L seals the upset and goes two rounds deep in the Big Dance - I'd say it was an tremendous step in the right direction, and their youth turns into a positive because then we have many successful years to come. I realize that's a lot of "ifs & buts" - then again, what is this board for?

Many challenges lie directly ahead for W&L - Bammer, I wouldn't count VWC out just yet. You definitely don't want to look ahead too far to RMC. The Generals still have to steamroll their way through Southern Virginia, Guilford, Lynchburg, Randolph, Emory and Henry, AND VWC before making it into Ashland. Carrol LaHaye and her Yellow Jackets give respect when respect is due. Make it through that bee's nest with all W's rolling into Crenshaw, and the Generals will be welcomed with much earned respect.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 26, 2009, 12:39:13 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 24, 2009, 06:37:55 PM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on January 24, 2009, 04:44:02 PM




RMC tops VW 79-55 at their house; these 2 teams now tied for second place in the ODAC.




Actually, Roanoke and RMC are tied at 1st with 9-2 records. VWC drops to 2nd at 8-3.
Actually, then, VWC would be 3rd.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 26, 2009, 12:52:03 PM
To intimidate a team you need to have a pressure defense, an unstoppable offensive team or person or vastly superior talent in my opinion.  While there seems to be a pecking order in the ODAC, I have not seen the intimidation factor.  From a talent level, the Generals seem to be in the ball park with the rest of the league.  Injuries could really hurt this team as it could any team.  This has been a good year but I think this team has yet to come close to reaching its potential.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 26, 2009, 02:51:19 PM
"BTW, Welcome to the bandwagon, eaglejacket."

I don't think anyone believes Emory and Henry is a bandwagon game.  With the exception of its stunning victory over VWC, E & H doesn't have much to show for the season.  The truth for Washington and Lee will be in the upcoming, tougher games.  The jury is still out, but things look brighter.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 26, 2009, 08:18:32 PM
Wow; a lot to respond to since I last checked in.

Sorry the 'bandwagon' comment caused such a stir, but really- it was eaglejacket's phrase to start with regarding W&L - I just went with it. eaglejacket- with all due respect, I can agree with most of what you said in your last post regarding this these young'uns. So, keep your feet firmly on the ground, as you are correct also about the fact that the young Gennies apparently have plenty of supporters.

caylxx, though E&H may not be considered a 'bandwagon' game, there is no doubt that they can be a dangerous team which proves that no one team can really be overlooked this season. Still, it should be noted that no other ODAC team has kept E&H's offensive output to such low points this season.

Bammer- I agree. I really don't see a lot deal of fear or intimidation showing in this young team as of yet. With each and every game, the young'uns gain that dynamic that is essential on every competitive team- trust, chemistry and flow. And we still have the greater part of half a season left in conference play.

At this point, it can be argued with some authority that W&L is the 'best' 7-4 team in the ODAC.  All things being equal, and barring injuries, we all can anticipate the road ahead: This year, competitive- next year, a true title contender, the following year- (hopefully) dominating. 

We shall see.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 27, 2009, 07:21:39 AM
Great post Dukeofargyle.  No need to be patient, life is short so let's hope the Generals seize the moment and shock the ODAC THIS year.  They did beat RMU this year already.  I believe that Bolton is going to be the secret weapon the second time through the conference.  I have watched her play since she was in middle school.  She can go to the basket hard and create real match up problems.  She can get to the line often when her game is clicking.  Ingram will continue to provide the leadership and calming influence that a championship caliber team requires.  She also has a pretty sweet offensive game while also drawing the top guard on the opposing team as her defensive assignment.  I plan on sitting back an enjoying the ride.  Win or lose this is a fun team to follow and root for.  The party has been crashed and the Generals are here to stay.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 28, 2009, 05:43:25 PM
Virginia Wesleyan 38,Bridgewater 26 Half

It was 26-26 before a 12-0 Marlins run. Burkholder has been a non factor with foul trouble.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 28, 2009, 06:43:37 PM
Virginia Wesleyan 73  , Bridgewater 62   Final

Jones with 25 points. The Eagles showed flashes of what they are capable of in the 2nd half but only cut the margin from 12 to 11 in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on January 28, 2009, 09:51:01 PM
Does anyone know why Kristina Jameson didn't play for VWC tonight?  She has started for the majority of the season for the Marlins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 28, 2009, 10:23:38 PM
Quote from: emufan on January 28, 2009, 09:51:01 PM
Does anyone know why Kristina Jameson didn't play for VWC tonight?  She has started for the majority of the season for the Marlins.

The Marlins Point Guard did not play due to a twisted ankle. Originally, it was thought the injury could have been torn ligaments and a season ender but they are now optimistic about her playing vs EMU this weekend.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on January 29, 2009, 08:49:13 AM
Thanks.. I know she is only a soph. but she is a big part of what VWC does.  I hope she gets better.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 30, 2009, 10:15:47 AM
This weekend's picks??

Jan. 30 
   7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Emory & Henry     
   7:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Guilford     
   7:00 PM  Roanoke   Randolph
     
Jan. 31   
   2:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Bridgewater     
   4:00 PM  Randolph   Emory & Henry     
   4:00 PM  Hollins   Roanoke     
   4:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Virginia Wesleyan   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on January 30, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
My picks are as follows:

Emory & Henry
Washington & Lee
Roanoke

Randolph-Macon
Emory & Henry
Roanoke
Virginia Wesleyan

Good Luck everybody!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on January 30, 2009, 11:20:20 AM

Jan. 30
   7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Emory & Henry     
   7:00 PM  Washington & Lee   Guilford     
   7:00 PM  Roanoke   Randolph
     
Jan. 31   
   2:00 PM  Randolph-Macon   Bridgewater     
   4:00 PM  Randolph   Emory & Henry     
   4:00 PM  Hollins   Roanoke    
   4:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Virginia Wesleyan   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 30, 2009, 09:25:25 PM
67-56 final score -
Generals win by 11 over Quakers, who led at no time in play since the opening points of the game.

Props go out to W&L's young tarheels who were the leading scorers at Guilford's Alumni gym, close to their hometowns. Bolton had a double-double; 16 points, 11 RBs and Ingram with 18pts, 7RB, 5 assists. Ridenhour had 11 pts and 5 assists. W&L were +14 on the glass, out-rebounding the Quakers 43-29. Herman had a game-high 14 boards in just 20 mins of play.

Next: 3 games next week: VWC -Tuesday, Lynchburg -Friday and Randolph -Saturday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on January 30, 2009, 10:04:00 PM
tarheels?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 30, 2009, 10:49:06 PM
Yep; both freshmen are from N.C.

Meg Ingram is from Greensboro, N.C. and Becca Bolton is from nearby Pittsboro, N.C.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 31, 2009, 10:23:23 AM
Congratulations bballmom4 for your Emory and Henry pick.  Lynchburg just can't seem to get it together.  Good win for the Wasps. What does everyone think will happen in Bridgewater today?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 31, 2009, 12:23:48 PM
Let's go with Blue Devils or Demon Deacons, anything but tarheels.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on January 31, 2009, 01:40:52 PM
dukeofargyle

Yes, those 2 freshmen had good games - but it was a group effort.  Much better results from the entire team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 31, 2009, 08:26:39 PM
Bridgewater was in the game against RMC.  According to Jean Willi's after game chat, the starting line up will be different for the next game.  I admire a coach who rewards effort.  Her starters aren't giving her what Bridgewater needs - so Willi is willing to adjust.  Good coaching.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 01, 2009, 12:58:04 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on January 31, 2009, 08:26:39 PM
Bridgewater was in the game against RMC. 

I would say so, they started off with a rush going up 20-4 to get things going.  RMC led all of the 2nd half after after going up with the first basket to start the half, but BC got within 4 or 5 points late.  If Burkholder hadn't had to sit so much for foul trouble, it could have been a different story.

Lots of tough games to go still. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 01, 2009, 03:12:34 PM
Yes, Bridgewater did let the game get away.  The Eagles have struggled with consistency and  being without their floor general compounded the problem.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2009, 09:44:33 AM
Quote from: Bammer on January 31, 2009, 12:23:48 PM
Let's go with Blue Devils or Demon Deacons, anything but tarheels.
Well, I understand your point, but technically all North Carolinians are Tarheels whether they root for UNC or not ... so dukeofargyle was right.  :)  I guess an Oklahoma State Cowboy being called a Sooner might feel the same way!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2009, 09:51:34 AM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on January 30, 2009, 09:25:25 PM
67-56 final score -
Generals win by 11 over Quakers, who led at no time in play since the opening points of the game.

Props go out to W&L's young tarheels who were the leading scorers at Guilford's Alumni gym, close to their hometowns. Bolton had a double-double; 16 points, 11 RBs and Ingram with 18pts, 7RB, 5 assists. Ridenhour had 11 pts and 5 assists. W&L were +14 on the glass, out-rebounding the Quakers 43-29. Herman had a game-high 14 boards in just 20 mins of play.

Next: 3 games next week: VWC -Tuesday, Lynchburg -Friday and Randolph -Saturday.

I was at the game, which was played in Ragan-Brown Field House.  Cozy Alumni Gym, built in 1940, is next door and hasn't been used for intercollegiate athletics since 1980.  Since they're attached, it's easy to see the Alumni Gym sign and not realize you're actually going to the much more modern and significantly larger Ragan-Brown Field House through the adjacent entrance.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 02, 2009, 10:48:51 AM
Wow!  Thanks for both clarifications, hasanova.  (Sorry for the gym name mixup, Guilford fans.)

In addition - being a Duke fan myself, I can appreciate your sentiment, Bammer.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2009, 12:40:00 PM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on February 02, 2009, 10:48:51 AM
Wow!  Thanks for both clarifications, hasanova.  (Sorry for the gym name mixup, Guilford fans.)

In addition - being a Duke fan myself, I can appreciate your sentiment, Bammer.

Not a problem, dukeofargyle.  NC's technically The Tarheel State, so the Wolfpack, the Demon Deacons and the Blue Devils will just have to live with it!  :)  Don't worry about the gym mix-up ... it happens all the time.  I'm old enough that I actually attended games in Alumni Gym before Ragan-Brown opened in 1980.  In fact, the Quakers once played the Generals men there while I was a student!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 02, 2009, 03:59:45 PM
Tuesday' games:

Feb. 3

      7:00 PM  Hollins           Guilford              
   
     7:00 PM    Lynchburg       Roanoke          
              
     7:00 PM    Bridgewater       Eastern Mennonite          
   
     7:00 PM    Randolph-Macon       Randolph
            
     7:00 PM    Virginia Wesleyan       Washington & Lee    

   

Now if Washington and Lee beats VWC - that's a bandgwagon game!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2009, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 02, 2009, 03:59:45 PM
Tuesday' games:

Feb. 3

      7:00 PM  Hollins           Guilford              
   
     7:00 PM    Lynchburg       Roanoke          
              
     7:00 PM    Bridgewater       Eastern Mennonite          
   
     7:00 PM    Randolph-Macon       Randolph
            
     7:00 PM    Virginia Wesleyan       Washington & Lee    

   

Now if Washington and Lee beats VWC - that's a bandgwagon game!
Gee, or perhaps, at the very least, simply a bandwagon game!  :)

By the way, does anyone have any information on Hollins' future ODAC status?  I've heard some rumblings ... and grumblings ... that their relatively few sports (and general lack of competitiveness in some of the ones they do have) is creating some issues.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 02, 2009, 06:49:53 PM
     7:00 PM    Hollins           Guilford             

     7:00 PM    Lynchburg       Roanoke     
             
     7:00 PM    Bridgewater       Eastern Mennonite         
   
     7:00 PM    Randolph-Macon       Randolph
             
     7:00 PM    Virginia Wesleyan       Washington & Lee

hasanova, I have not heard anything about this regarding Hollins... Anyone else?

The loss of the Eagles' PG will flip the picks for me to EMU.

caylxx, though you may be the 'realist' among the W&L fans, I am going with the Generals on this one. Besides, for me, all that they needed in terms of a 'bandwagon game' was RMC's loss.

VW has proved that their performance can be pretty streaky at times. IMO, it's a very different Blue & White that will take the court against the Marlins this time from the team that lost in the beginning of January. This young team is growing up.

Players whose shots are not falling have chosen instead to contribute everything else they can do so well: contributing assists, rebounding, steals, & blocked shots to the play. TEAMWORK...This is why this team is now so competitive and dangerous.

We shall see how it goes tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 02, 2009, 07:44:08 PM
Oops, I did mean "bandwagon" instead of bangwagon!  As for the Bridgewater Eagles point-guard - she was just in foul trouble - not injured.  It could still be Bridgewater's game.  dukeofargyle - I agree 100%  - Washington and Lee's success this year has been due to teamwork, not the "what's in it for me?" attitude of the past.  If that mood continues, anything is possible.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 03, 2009, 08:19:04 AM
I think tonights game will be determined by turnovers and rebounding margin.  If the Generals do well in these 2 areas, an upset is certainly possible.  I agree that this team has great team chemistry.  I know that individual stats are not important to anyone on this team.  Tonight is another huge test for this team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 03, 2009, 01:17:28 PM
Tuesday' games:

Feb. 3

      7:00 PM  Hollins           Guilford   I really feel for Hollins, but don't look for Guilford to stop the bleeding.         
   
     7:00 PM    Lynchburg       Roanoke   What happened to the Hornets? They showed so much promise at the start of the year.       
             
     7:00 PM    Bridgewater       Eastern Mennonite     The Eagles put up a hefty fight against R-MC. Keep that up, and a W will be in the column after competing in this inner-city rivalry.
   
     7:00 PM    Randolph-Macon       Randolph - Tough to play AT Randolph, Macon better not take it lightly.
             
     7:00 PM    Virginia Wesleyan       Washington & Lee    The Marlins have been slipping up a little lately, I'm interested to see how this one plays out. Just for old times, I'll go with Va. Wesleyan, but the "upset" wouldn't surprise me.

I agree that if W&L takes down Va Wesleyan, it most certainly constitutes as a bandwagon game - I couldn't have said the same if Randolph was able to turn that 1 pt loss into a 1 pt win. As far as the R-MC win for the Generals goes - I will chalk that up to a little role confusion amongst the Yellow Jackets as well as jet lag coupled with a pair of losses in St. Thomas. The Generals went in with the kick'm while their down mentality and I respect that. If they can do the same on Valentine's Day I'll certainly be eating crow.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 03, 2009, 01:56:52 PM
How could RMU have role issues with 2 senior guards and last year's poy who is now a junior?  I could blame the Generals lose to VWC the first time on fatigue.  They had just played a week with 3 games and then the long road trip to VWC.  Tonight's game will tell a lot and hopefully the 2/14 game will tell even more. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 03, 2009, 03:07:35 PM
It's a bit naive to think that a player's role doesn't change from year to year - especially when they lose three seniors who played a huge part in last year's campaign.  Hiltunen is the marquees senior guard and her role changed dramatically from last year to now. She's been carrying a lot more weight than her already heavy load from last year. Two starters from last year graduated (three at some points in the season, and even if not, the senior that didn't start saw a TON of minutes and played a huge role), leaving two starting slots wide open and filled by several different players on different nights thus far. That changes roles as well as chemistry - this happens on EVERY team, EVERY year unless you keep a young five and they grow up and graduate together, and even then the roles are prone to change. If we want to give W&L slack for a VWC loss due to fatigue, I think it's relevant to do the same for Randolph Macon College - jet lag can be quite the you know what, and coming back from break clicking on all cylinders isn't exactly easy. But in the end, a win is a win is a win is a win and excuses are like a certain body part - I think there is still plenty to learn about all ODAC teams at this point and I'm excited to see how everything plays out.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 03, 2009, 07:41:57 PM
Halftime update:
Hollins   5        Guilford     35      

Lynchburg  24  Roanoke    39
             
Bridgewater  38     Eastern Mennonite    33     
   
Randolph-Macon  35      Randolph 23
             
Virginia Wesleyan 26      Washington & Lee  22
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 03, 2009, 08:44:25 PM
RMC and Roanoke win convincingly over Randolph and Lynchburg respectively, so Friday will determine the leader going down the stretch.  Guilford over Hollins 70-26

RMC  72
Randolph 47

Roanoke 80
Lynchburg 55

The tight games were at W&L v VWC  and EMU v BC:

W&L jumps out to early lead, but VWC comes back to take the lead at the half by 4.  The lead changes several times early in the 2nd half but W&L goes up by 1 at the 11:46 mark and hangs on for the win 50-47.  Strike up the Band...wagon

BC leads the entire first half over EMU, up by as much as 9.  EMU gets its first tie at the 8:13 mark in the 2nd and takes two quick and brief leads before BC closes it out with the win 62-59. 

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 03, 2009, 08:45:32 PM
"Now if Washington and Lee beats VWC - that's a bandwagon game!"

"I agree that if W&L takes down Va Wesleyan, it most certainly constitutes as a bandwagon game."

Man, oh man, caylxx & eaglejacket, you gotta love that bandwagon this season!

W&L- 50 over VWC's 47.... Close game, really hard fought - W&L shut down VWC's starters; Gennies were plus 20 on the glass. Many big runs for both teams, BUT Done and Done tonight for the Blue & White.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 03, 2009, 08:46:03 PM
 Good to see BC win at EMU. Great game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 04, 2009, 07:09:14 AM
Credit will always be given when credit is due.  "Big win" for the Generals seems an understatement.  The bandwagon is loaded up and leaving the station.  Also a great win for Bridgewater.  EMU is ailing, but it is always nice to get a win in the opponent's house.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 04, 2009, 07:11:32 AM
With 30 seconds to go and the Generals up by 1, VWC looks to be going in for a lay up until Ingram comes down and cleanly blocks the shot.  Then 2 free throws seal the game.  What a finish and what a team win.  Hopefully, the run continues and RMU gets by Roanoke so the Valentine Day show down will happen, but a lot can happen until then.  This team needs to really focus with road games at Lynchburg and E&H with a home game in between against Randolph.  IF they get out of this with 3 wins, it would really be exciting.  Great to have more people joining the bandwagon, so far it has been a great ride.  ALL ABOARD
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 04, 2009, 08:06:47 AM
Wow - everyone is getting an early start.  The Generals had 20 more rebounds than the Marlins!  That is an amazing statistic.  The newbies are really setting an example!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 04, 2009, 10:37:35 AM
"The newbies are really setting an example!"

generalee- In checking the team stats, I want to note that although the top scorers in this team may be the younger players; Ingram, Bolton & Herman (Herman gets props also for the best FG% in the ODAC)  & the top 2 rebounders are Herman & Bolton, plus Pfannenstein is tops in free throws & #2 in 3 pt field goals made, I think it's important to also remember the steady hands and great heart & leadership that have always shown forth in our older team captains: Nadeau (#1 in steals, #3 in  Boards) Ridenhour (#3 in trifectas, steals and assists & #2 in 3 pt%) and Horan (#1 in 3 pt%).

All the members of this team have been awesome. Keep it coming ladies, as we move into the last month of this great season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 04, 2009, 10:54:20 AM
Guilford's 70-26 win over Hollins adds to the argument that HU needs to make a more solid commitment to ODAC basketball.  They probably only suited up five players because all five starters played all 40 minutes.  I believe HU has seven players on the roster, but two must be injured.

The Quakers set some school records, but they're hollow.  No one (well, the academy in Dallas) likes to unnecessarily pour it on an understaffed opponent.  GC's boxscore is full ... every player on the team got significant time once the outcome was clearly (and quickly) not in doubt.

One win in four years.  Five points at halftime ... 26 in the game ... and against a second-tier ODAC team.  Hollins, what are you going to do?  I feel for you, but unless you make a solid commitment to ODAC basketball, you need to just play intramurals and schedule friendly annual home and away games with Sweet Briar.   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 04, 2009, 11:58:31 AM
I agree with hasanova... The situation in Dallas was at the fault of the Athletic Director allowing the team to schedule a game with teams that tower over their own skill set. It can't feel good to go out and take a nasty beating every contest. I tip my hat to the Hollins players for sticking with it and never giving up - but at some point the AD needs to consider what's right and wrong about their situation. Those girls obviously LOVE the game and want nothing more than to play - why not let them do it on a level where they can compete and have a much more positive experience? I don't ride the "everybody gets a trophie" train, but at some point you have to realize that what's happening isn't benefiting anybody involved.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 04, 2009, 04:30:50 PM
Did not at all realize that the program issues at Hollins were that serious. 

Always felt for those ladies as they lost game after game, though.   IMO, they are real plucky kids to keep going into games they have had no chance in winning.

Sad situation.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 04, 2009, 04:57:41 PM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on February 04, 2009, 04:30:50 PM
Did not at all realize that the program issues at Hollins were that serious. 

Always felt for those ladies as they lost game after game, though.   IMO, they are real plucky kids to keep going into games they have had no chance in winning.

Sad situation.
Sadly, Hollins is 1-90, 1-72 since the start of the 2005-06 season.  Their only win was over RMWC (now Randolph), 77-75.  Each season has several games with HU's score in the 20's.  This season, HU even lost to the Bennett College Belles, 58-49, an abysmal Greensboro-based program which even so-so teams normally pound by 60 points.  As it stands, the state of the HU program is not good for Hollins and it's not good for the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: odacfan99 on February 04, 2009, 08:46:53 PM
Not only did Lynchburg take a beating this week but they didn't have their 2 big guns, Dahn and Esposito, in the line-up.  What gives?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: shsfan on February 04, 2009, 11:55:07 PM
Dahn and Esposito were not listed in the roster printed in the program for their most recent game? Someone close to that program might clarify this?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Hornets4Life on February 05, 2009, 12:58:43 AM
From what I have heard, Lynchburg is better off without those two players on the team. As a alumni of the school, I am ready to see the young players grow and become the next LC basketball stars.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 05, 2009, 08:47:10 AM
Glad to have some new life on the board.  However, it would be helpful if you indicated why the Hornets would be better off. Random insinuations don't usually lead to constructive discussions.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 05, 2009, 09:33:43 AM
Any predictions on Roanoke and RMU?  Could be a tough week end for the Maroons with games at VWC and RMU.  I believe that RMU with their senior leadership will be tough down the stretch.  Also, has the ODAC ever gotten 2 teams into the NCAA tournament in the same year?  How do at large bids work or do they exist for D3?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Hornets4Life on February 05, 2009, 10:00:32 AM
This forum isn't the place for those kind of issues. It was an internal issue apparently, and what happened happened. Looking forward to watching Brewer, Greenlief, Crump and the rest of the young kids get an opportunity at LC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 05, 2009, 10:24:07 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 05, 2009, 09:33:43 AM
Any predictions on Roanoke and RMU?  Could be a tough week end for the Maroons with games at VWC and RMU.  I believe that RMU with their senior leadership will be tough down the stretch.  Also, has the ODAC ever gotten 2 teams into the NCAA tournament in the same year?  How do at large bids work or do they exist for D3?

We will have a better understanding of potential at large bids for the ODAC when the Regional Rankings are released next week. The mens rankings were released this week.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 05, 2009, 10:28:50 AM
Hornet4life - you brought it up - I thought you wanted to talk.  Bammer - small, picky, picky point.  It's RMC, not RMU.  I know, picky.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 05, 2009, 10:49:51 AM
Typo, sorry.  RMC not RMU
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 05, 2009, 11:03:29 AM
"From what I have heard, Lynchburg is better off without those two players on the team"

Yikes, harsh words. I'm just wondering what they could have done that was so terrible? - Dahn is an exceptional on the court presence for LC and I know they're going to miss her, at least on the floor. I also know that the game is about more than wins and losses and if they got into some kind of a moral pickle - I commend LC for doing the right thing.

As far as At-Large bids for the NCAA tourny goes - if you're thinking the ODAC is going to get one, I think you might want to start wishing on some shooting stars. The ODAC doesn't have any schools ranked in the Top 25, no headlines on d3hoops, no real national recognition this year - all of that equals no real reason for them to give the ODAC an at-large. I'd be thrilled to get a surprise bid, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 05, 2009, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: eaglejacket1421 on February 05, 2009, 11:03:29 AMAs far as At-Large bids for the NCAA tourny goes - if you're thinking the ODAC is going to get one, I think you might want to start wishing on some shooting stars. The ODAC doesn't have any schools ranked in the Top 25, no headlines on d3hoops, no real national recognition this year - all of that equals no real reason for them to give the ODAC an at-large. I'd be thrilled to get a surprise bid, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Bingo.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 04:53:44 PM
Quote from: Bammer on February 05, 2009, 09:33:43 AM
Any predictions on Roanoke and RMU?  Could be a tough week end for the Maroons with games at VWC and RMU.  I believe that RMU with their senior leadership will be tough down the stretch.  Also, has the ODAC ever gotten 2 teams into the NCAA tournament in the same year?  How do at large bids work or do they exist for D3?
Check the FAQ (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php) on the playoffs.  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on February 05, 2009, 08:23:21 PM
Wow...some harsh words on the two LC girls, Dahn and Esposito.  Those two girls have been working their butts off during season and off season to be the ball players that they are and their stats show it.  If the younger players worked as hard....it would show as well.  In looking at the stats, well...they speak for themselves.  As a coach, you have to have players on the floor that are going to perform....looks to me like the "young" LC players need to start working a lot harder and they will get the same opportunity as any other good player.  As far as what happened to Dahn and Esposito...well, we shouldn't commit on what we all don't know...that is the way to start rumors that usually don't hold any merit.  But, that being said...why aren't the other young players stepping up to the plate?????  And if they were working hard, they would have been playing even when Dahn and Esposito were there.  This is a TEAM sport and there is no "I" in team.  Everyone has their roles and, well, they need to know them.  So instead of making accusations, just let Dahn and Esposito be and lets all hope the "young ones" step up to the plate.  Seems to me like so far we have seen just what Esposito and Dahn have meant to the team. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Hornets4Life on February 06, 2009, 04:18:56 AM
Lets be realistic here. Dahn and Esposito cost themselves a shot at finishing what they had started at Lynchburg due to their lack of respect for the team. Ive heard the facts of what happened, and obviously those suspended had no respect for the people that they played with most importantly, and so here's where we are. Bballmom4, I think its interesting though you bash the young players work ethic, when they should be learning from the upper classmen on that front. Dahn will be missed for sure, but as for the other one being discussed, no respect at all for authority figures, argued with referees, teammates and her coach. I for one am interested to see how Kristina Darby plays tomorrow night, as I am a huge fan of her game and her as a person. She's a great individual, and now that she's out of the shadow of Dahn, I'd love to see her snatch the role of "team leader", which is lacking on this team. W's are one thing, but in the end, integrity of your program is the MOST important. Either way, I know Coach Tobey will figure it out and Lynchburg basketball will be just fine. Go Hornets!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 06, 2009, 06:35:52 AM
Thanks for the link Ralph Turner.  Answered all my questions.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 06, 2009, 10:54:10 AM
Feb. 6

        7:00 PM      Emory & Henry    Eastern Mennonite     
E&H typically gets an upset win or two... Why not this one?       
     
     7:00 PM    Guilford       Bridgewater       
Jean Willi typically has her kids rolling at this point in the season. It's almost March after all.
     
     7:00 PM    Roanoke       Randolph-Macon             
This is the headline match up of the night. I'm hoping for a close one, but I wouldn't be surprised if this gets ugly.

     7:00 PM    Mary Baldwin       Randolph
The Squirels graduated Jessica Carter last year. Randolph should be able to compete.
           
     7:00 PM    Washington & Lee    Lynchburg   
LC clearly has some internal issues. That could either bring them together, or cause them to struggle. Look for W&L to take full advantage.
         
     7:00 PM    Hollins       Virginia Wesleyan       
     
Feb 7.

        2:00 PM    Hollins       Randolph-Macon   
         
     3:00 PM    Emory & Henry       Bridgewater   
This one might be fairly close. Give it to the Eagles at home.
     
   4:00 PM    Randolph       Washington & Lee   
Don't fall asleep W&L. Randolph might just be rolling off of a W and looking for their next victim. We saw what ALMOST happened in Virginia Beach.
         
     4:00 PM    Guilford      Eastern Mennonite             
Guilford's been in some tough ones this year. I think this might be another one of those close, heart breaking games.

     4:00 PM    Roanoke       Virginia Wesleyan
If Roanoke hadn't just played RMC the night before I'd almost be inclined to give them the W. Whoever scheduled this weekend clearly wanted a challenge for the Maroons.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2009, 11:41:26 AM
I don't know the players or situation at LC, but sometimes a coach has to make moves like that.  Certainly, the Hornets will miss their contributions (which are significant), but you've got to look after the whole team.  Many years ago, I once saw a Manager explain this to a problem employee who kept threatening to leave.  After one too many threats, the Manager said, "Get a bucket of water and put your hand in, then pull it out.  Watch how quickly the water fills the space you once occupied ... we'll be fine without you.  Good luck."  Other players will step up to fill the void.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on February 06, 2009, 05:27:28 PM
WOW...Hornets4life...you heard the facts of what happened?  Well unless you heard it from the Coach or one of the players involved....maybe your facts aren't exactly what happened!  But be it here or there...we all know that players, coaches, etc., make misktakes.  If they learn from those mistakes...then they are life lessons.  What I am saying here is unless we were right there when whatever happened happened...we should not judge.   But support the team and the girls that things will work out.  You are right, it is a great team, and hopefully the youngsters learn from what happened.  However, I don't think I was bashing any of the young players, I just simply made the comment that the stats speak for themselves.  If you look at the stats, well....this is the time for those youngsters to step up to plate and earn their spots...correct?  If you took it as bashing, mistake....it was not.   As far as Kristina Darby, I understand she is coming off an injury and you are correct...now is her time to shine.  Anyway, GO HORNETS tonight! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 06, 2009, 08:53:08 PM
All props go out to the Hornets tonight for the W by 3 over W&L. 

In adversity, the young Hornets came in and played a huge game, while Generals go stone cold from the field for the first 10 minutes of the second half.

Good luck for the balance of the season, LC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on February 07, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
Good job Lady Hornets....players and coaches.   It seems like it was a great game, by the LIVE STATS.  Looks like it was great team work. 

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 07, 2009, 10:36:55 AM
Lynchburg certainly picked up a big win and made a statement - don't count them out yet!  Sometimes players just need to be given a chance to shine.  The Generals showed there are still a few kinks in the armor.  If the shots aren't falling, you better be playing some defense.  Like dukeofargyle says - defense wins championships.   The Generals should easily rebound against Randolph today, however.

Now for Bridgewater - "Bridgewater College shot 73.3 percent from the floor and forced 26 Guilford turnovers in the first half en route to a 93-43 ODAC victory Friday night at Nininger Hall. "  Looks like they are rolling, eaglejacket1421!

Also, huge win for Roanoke.  It must have been a great game.  Anyone have any information?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 07, 2009, 09:51:30 PM
Happy to see Randolph pull out the win against Mary Baldwin - it's always good to hear of teams that typically struggle get a little taste of success.

Big news of the weekend had to be Roanoke's two wins on what had to be the toughest weekend scheduled of any ODAC school all year. Coach Dunnigan is on fire right now and her players seem to have truly dedicated themselves to her system. Excellent work.

I was able to catch the RMC - Roanoke game and it was quite an entertaining match up. A lot of factors added up to that Roanoke victory - rebounding was certainly one of them. Jaleesha Osbourne was spectacular - she impresses me every time I watch her play. She had some crucial drives late in the second half to give Roanoke a decent cushion. When there was about 15 seconds left to play, RMC had pulled it within two after an eight point or so lead, there was a time out called. After the time out, for whatever reason- Hiltunen was guarding the player most likely to receive the inbound despite the fact that she had 4 fouls. She fouls out after having to foul to stop the clock and with her went RMC's obvious choice for the player to take the game winner/tie. Despite this, RMC drew up a pretty impressive play to get a shot off with only 3 seconds left on the clock - it just happened to be Molly Ariail shooting the three. Just a little tweak to the played drawn up would have had a guard in Molly's position for a higher percentage shot. I expect Coach LaHaye to be running over similar situations in practice in preparation for the tournament.

I also want to send out some congratulations to Lynchburg for overlooking all of the off-court nonsense and clamping down on the Generals. I didn't see that coming simply because of all of the distractions. Coach Tobey must have her Hornets focused.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: smithgraham77 on February 07, 2009, 11:32:18 PM
in reference to the LC situation:
"If we can achieve a critical mass of individuals among the workforce committed to doing things differently, to meeting our standards, that critical mass overcomes the resistance of what becomes a diminishing old guard. progressively, the old guard loses some of its power. If one rotten apple can ruin the barrel, then you have to seed the organization with oranges that cannot be spoiled by the apples. as a result, a departing old-guard employee is very carefully replaced. concurrently, individuals with the right culture and attitude are promoted. that creates a new culture, bit by bit by bit."
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 09, 2009, 05:47:16 PM
Some interesting games coming up:

Feb. 10
       7:00 PM     Virginia Wesleyan          Bridgewater                  
      7:00 PM    Washington & Lee       Emory & Henry             
      7:00 PM    Hollins                       Randolph             
      7:00 PM    Randolph-Macon       Eastern Mennonite
            
Feb. 11                          
     7:00 PM    Lynchburg               Guilford

Predictions?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 09, 2009, 05:59:56 PM
Feb. 10
       7:00 PM     Virginia Wesleyan          Bridgewater   
VWC is struggling while Bridgewater is rolling.  Not to mention this game is in Harrisonburg...

      7:00 PM    Washington & Lee       Emory & Henry 
W&L need to get back on the horse after losing to a "distracted" Lynchburg squad.
           
      7:00 PM    Hollins                       Randolph        

     
      7:00 PM    Randolph-Macon       Eastern Mennonite
Tough game in Harrisonburg - RMC's looking for a W after falling to Roanoke. EMU feels the same, but substitute a weaker Guilford.
           
Feb. 11                         
     7:00 PM    Lynchburg               Guilford
After LC proved they weren't letting off-court issues distract them, I'm a believer.

Predictions?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dirtybird on February 09, 2009, 06:23:40 PM
I think Lynchburg will take Guilford. It will be a good game though just putting in my two cents.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 09, 2009, 09:40:19 PM
Quote from: eaglejacket1421 on February 09, 2009, 05:59:56 PM
Feb. 10
       7:00 PM     Virginia Wesleyan          Bridgewater   
VWC is struggling while Bridgewater is rolling.  Not to mention this game is in Harrisonburg...

      7:00 PM    Washington & Lee       Emory & Henry 
W&L need to get back on the horse after losing to a "distracted" Lynchburg squad.
           
      7:00 PM    Hollins                       Randolph        

     
      7:00 PM    Randolph-Macon       Eastern Mennonite
Tough game in Harrisonburg - RMC's looking for a W after falling to Roanoke. EMU feels the same, but substitute a weaker Guilford.
           
Feb. 11                         
     7:00 PM    Lynchburg               Guilford
After LC proved they weren't letting off-court issues distract them, I'm a believer.

Predictions?

Really? I didn't know the BC women played home games at EMU or JMU.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 10, 2009, 10:52:07 AM
I'm from right outside the area... Trust me when I say Bridgewater might as well be / pretty much is Harrisonburg...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mamadukes on February 10, 2009, 08:23:39 PM
I'll back that up Eaglejacket!  Just don't say it to the alum that stayed in Bridgewater!  YOU know how they can be ;) Lovely place!
Looks like they had a real barnburner down that way tonight!VWC by 2 :o Any eyewitnesses?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 11, 2009, 07:24:28 AM
Good win for the Generals, always good to get an away win.  Tough 4 game stretch to finish the season, RMC, EMU, Roanoke and Bridgewater.  This is a good test before the ODAC tournament.  Looking forward to going to watch the game at RMC.  RMC with 3 premier players in the league will be a tough match-up.  It would be unheard of if the Generals could pull the upset and sweep RMC this year.  Good job Generals, finish strong.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 11, 2009, 08:51:48 AM
I think the W & L / Emory & Henry game was a little close for comfort don't you?  The Generals will have to step it up considerably if they expect to get through this 4 game stretch.  How about those Bridgewater Eagles?  Ahh, the one that got away... 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 11, 2009, 09:12:34 AM
I agree that they will need to elevate their play over the next 4 games to the level that they were at 4-5 games ago.  I expect they will go at least 2-2 over that stretch and hopefully better.  This will probably be the best season ever in the ODAC for the Generals.  Mandy King has made quite an impact on this program and seems to be headed in the right direction.  Any predictions on the Saturday game at RMC?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 11, 2009, 10:40:11 AM
"I think the W & L / Emory & Henry game was a little close for comfort don't you?  The Generals will have to step it up considerably if they expect to get through this 4 game stretch.  How about those Bridgewater Eagles?  Ahh, the one that got away..."

caylxx, 'ones' might be more accurate. Interesting to note that out of the 5 games that got away, 4 were won by a one-shot point range. The only resounding conference defeat of the season was early on, to VWC. The same VW who has now been defeated by this W&L squad, albeit by a smaller margin.

For the upcoming tough stretch, rebounds, knocking out the opponent's incoming passes & limiting W&L turnovers will be all-important. Nadeau's & Bolton's considerable defensive skills will be needed throughout the game and Herman must stay on the floor.

IMO, the Gennies have plenty of very talented offensive weapons. Even so (& I can't repeat this enough)- KEY to these upcoming games will be defense; defense; & more defense. A stifling, chaos-creating, in-your-face defensive display that, if exhausting, will be entirely worth the effort.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 11, 2009, 04:28:14 PM
Now that it is getting down to the final laps - who does everyone think will be the player of the year, rookie of the year, etc.?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 11, 2009, 06:23:38 PM
For POY I initially wanted to go with someone off of Roanoke's roster just b/c of the spectacular accomplishment they've been able to achieve - Who honestly thought they'd be #1 preseason?

*Jaleesa Osborne is the heart and soul of that team. Her name also shows up in the scoring, field goal percentage, assists, steals, assist/turnover ratio, and minutes played statistical leaders. If Roanoke can somehow take home the ODAC regular season title, I'd give my vote to her.

Let's not forget that RMC is nipping at RC's heels in the standings. If they end up running away with the title the voting gets a little tougher. It has to go to either Molly Ariail, Amanda Hiltunen, or Lindsay Riesbeck.

*Molly's input on the success of Macon is undeniable. When she sometimes decides to not show up or not play to her full potential for whatever reason, RMC definitely feels the pain. She leads the league in scoring, is second in rebounding, 6th in FG %, 15th in FT %, 3rd in blocked shots, 1st in offensive rebounds, 5th in defensive boards, and does it all without cracking the minutes played list.

*Amanda has faced challenges this year that have tremendously caused her role on the team to shift. With the injury of PG Jen O'Briant, Hiltunen has found herself spending multiple minutes at the point guard position - yet somehow she managed to stay sixth in the league in scoring, second in field goal %, second in assists, second in FT %, 4th in steals, 3rd in 3pt %, 11th in 3pters made, (EVEN THIRTEENTH IN BLOCKED SHOTS!), second in assist/turnover ratio, and 6th in minutes played. She may just be the favorite, because take her off of this team, and they would struggle. She is invaluable and may have played herself into POY status. Those stats are impressive.

As far as Rookie of the Year is concerned - W&L's Ingram is an obvious front-runner. She's 3rd in scoring, 6th in assists, and first in 3pters made. She's also been a huge reason why W&L has been able to upset so many opponents this year. It's gotta go to either her or Bolton? Any other freshmen canidates??

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 11, 2009, 06:58:20 PM
Ingram?  What does she do defensively?  She scores, but does she defend?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 11, 2009, 08:57:38 PM
I can't really argue that point... but it's important to remember that Freshman of the Year doesn't necessarily have to be Super Woman if the freshman class isn't tremendous. She's controlling the statistical leaderboard at this point, so I tip my hat in her direction.

I'm open to any other candidates that play on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 12, 2009, 06:46:25 AM
Ingram is second on the team in steals, just behind Nadeau.  Against VWC with the Generals up by 1 with 30 seconds to go, Ingram came out of no where and blocked a lay up by VWC,  huge defensive play.  Also, she guarded Hiltunen and Guilford's Seufer this year and did a strong job against them.  I would think that her defensive work would aid her cause for ROY>
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 12, 2009, 08:07:04 AM
"Ingram?  What does she do defensively?  She scores, but does she defend?"

generalee, I would second eaglejacket's ROY pick here for Ingram.  Though I agree that her main strengths are in the offense & in assists, she's an aggressive player who never lets the ball out of her sight, thus producing many opportunities for swipes. She covers her man closely and can come from out of nowhere to block shots.

Mainly though, she's proved that she's as clutch as they come down the stretch of a close game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on February 12, 2009, 08:36:10 AM
I know that the stats for most of this players are really impressive, however, one must always remember that in order for these players to get these impressive stats, they have to have played as a team.  So who really deserves the vote, the one that just puts up the shots, or the defensive leader who is just a great all around player, always looking for the person who has the open look, etc.  Its too bad that you just can't be at every game to see the girls and how they interact with their team-mates and just "who deserves the award".  There are a few young ladies whose defense "wins the game".  That seems to go overlooked.  I guess I always just look for the unsung hero award.  There are a lot of them out there.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 12, 2009, 09:06:11 AM
What about coach of the year?  You could certainly go with Roanoke's coach but maybe Coach King of the Generals should get consideration also.  This is the strongest showing by the Generals in the ODAC in quite a while.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 12, 2009, 11:32:41 AM
"I guess I always just look for the unsung hero award.  There are a lot of them out there." - Perhaps they should add that to the list of awards given out at the ODAC banquet. POY, ROY, and COY are reserved for the players that lead their teams to success, statistically and emotionally. I agree that "the unsung hero" award would be a good one to give, but I couldn't give a player like that Player of the Year - the award is too elite.

For Coach of the Year I'd have to vote Coach Dunnigan. Honestly, she really doesn't have any competition for it - I don't know anyone who would have slotted them at #1 when the season began. Plus, she's doing it without Erin Hanson - which as we all remember, they struggled tremendously with last year. The changes and adjustments she made are clearly working and I can't see anyone taking that award away from her.

For Coach King to stand a chance, the Generals are going to have to make a serious run in these last few games. They're sitting at 4th right now, and I will agree - I wouldn't have pegged them there earlier in the year. They travel to Randolph-Macon, host EMU, go to Roanoke, and host Bridgewater. Fairly tough schedule, I give them a L, W, L, L with that Bridgewater game being EXTREMELY close. That's the contest that I wouldn't call the win an upset. I give the W to BC simply because Jean Willi isn't playing around at this point of the year. If they can somehow win three out of those four contests, I'd throw her in the mix for COY. I guess it's really between her and Coach Dunnigan at this point. After taking a look at Roanoke's schedule to finish out the year: go to Emory and Henry, host W&L, and go to EMU. That should be three wins. A much easier schedule than W&L. Odds are this one's going to Coach Dunnigan.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on February 12, 2009, 12:52:55 PM
"unsung hero" award should not take the place of the others.  However, I have seen many games that if it weren't for these other defensive and "unsung heros" that these POY and ROY would not have the stats that they do.  If you are having an inside game and others are shutting down your outside game and if you have a guard that gets it to the post all day long....well, how do you think that person got to be the "high point scorer" without someone feeding her the ball.  That is what I am talking about.  So there are many other factors that should be thought about when making these decisions.  Its just an observation.  But you are correct, an "Unsung Hero" award would be a nice addition to the others.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 12, 2009, 01:54:16 PM
"If you are having an inside game and others are shutting down your outside game and if you have a guard that gets it to the post all day long....well, how do you think that person got to be the "high point scorer" without someone feeding her the ball.  That is what I am talking about."

Though I can sure agree with this in theory, bballmom, I have to point out that since the advent of the guard's outside trifecta, I've seen very few coaches nowadays regularly run a true 'post' game. And that's despite the high percentage shot of many post players. At best, most play a balanced inside -outside game. 

IMO, it is the "true center" post player who is usually the unsung hero in today's game. It is a thankless job, playing defense, blocking shots, muscling out opponents and rebounding, being double-teamed, fouling and receiving hacks that are often not called. Yet in most teams, she rarely - if ever - is the 'glory' player.

Having said that, I will note that the coach who is the obvious exception to this in the ODAC would be RM Coach LaHaye, who with talent like Ariail - can and does regularly run such a post-oriented offense; thus Ariail's POY's. Your 'unsung hero' in this case may be Hiltunan, who in addition to her 13.8 points per game, also has close to 5 assists per game.

For my money, I'd love to see a "defensive" POY!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on February 12, 2009, 02:03:44 PM
Well, depending on which game you are watching, could be true, dukeofargyle, but there are more teams out there that fit this same motto as your favorite Coach LaHaye.  And I also believe that if someone is shutting your outside game down, you have no choice but go to the inside and then work it back out.  But there are also more players out there that can compete with Hiltunan in assists and lets add steals to that as well.  Some of these so called "high point scorers" have to throw up 30 shots to get 10, well that percentage is terrible, I would think.   But we all have our opinions, don't we.  Just depends on what game you are watching.  And as has been said just recently....defense wins games more times than not.  You can make all the shots you want and all the points, but if you cannot play defense....well... you are lacking a lot of contribution to the game and for your other teammates.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 12, 2009, 08:53:16 PM
bballmom, Based on some 30 years of watching & coaching, you can trust me when I say that the women's teams have many fewer 'true' post players than do men's teams, thus the true inside post offensive game is practically non-existent in women's hoops.

I would say that even Ariail is not a 'true center' but a small forward: she shoots an occasional 3 & she is also a player who can & does frequently shoot from outside the paint. Props to LaHaye for the game plan she has formed based on this player's skills. As eaglejacket said: "When she (Molly) sometimes decides to not show up or not play to her full potential for whatever reason, RMC definitely feels the pain."

The women's game is overwhelmingly a guard oriented game.

You said: "I also believe that if someone is shutting your outside game down, you have no choice but go to the inside and then work it back out" – Here you make my point for me when you note that if the outside shots are not falling, then they try to get the ball inside.

I agree with you that defense is always overlooked. You will never see a conference award for this skill alone. Still, at the risk of repeating myself, my motto is "offense may win games, but it is defense that wins championships".
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: shsfan on February 12, 2009, 09:49:08 PM
Nice to see the ODAC represented in the women's regional rankings released yesterday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 13, 2009, 09:01:49 AM
Eaglejacket, you have not gotten on the bandwagon.  The Generals next 4 games will be tough but I am predicting they come out of it 3-1.  Wins against EMU and BC with a win against either RMC or RC.  What a fun season it has been following the Generals.  The conference games have been so closely contested.  It will be fun watching this program continue on and hopefully improve.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 13, 2009, 10:24:39 AM
"But there are also more players out there that can compete with Hiltunan in assists and lets add steals to that as well.  Some of these so called "high point scorers" have to throw up 30 shots to get 10, well that percentage is terrible, I would think."

Hiltunen is clearly in an echelon of her own. Yes there are players that contend with her in each of those categories, but no one who really hangs with her in ALL of those categories. What she's managed to do is POY-worthy. She rarely takes more than 12 or so shots a game, and is 50% from the field.... AS A GUARD...

I agree with you bballmom, I'm not a fan of top scorers who are Kobe-esque - taking an absurd amount of shots to pad their stats. That type of play is rarely rewarded in the ODAC. But Hiltunen is not that player. Once again - sixth in the league in scoring, second in field goal %, second in assists, second in FT %, 4th in steals, 3rd in 3pt %, 11th in 3pters made, (EVEN THIRTEENTH IN BLOCKED SHOTS!), second in assist/turnover ratio, and 6th in minutes played.

"Eaglejacket, you have not gotten on the bandwagon." - ya caught me Bammer! I tried to be slick about it, but I just find it difficult to vote that they go 3-1 over this 4 game stretch. I would be happy with 2-2 if I was a Gennie fan. RMC and Roanoke are going to be the Goliaths, they'll have a more legit shot with EMU and BC, but even those will be difficult. The RMC showdown is revenge in Ashland (accompanied with Senior Day). I wouldn't want to be the opponent in Crenshaw on a day like that. Plus Roanoke AT Roanoke is never easy. The ball just seems to roll in the Maroons favor over there.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 13, 2009, 11:03:15 AM
Got to agree with you, eaglejacket, Hiltunen would certainly be a fine  POY choice.  Ariail might knock her out.   Look for the Generals to unveil their secret weapon  against RMC.  I expect a competitive game this Saturday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 13, 2009, 12:02:50 PM
Oh yeah - Molly is probably the favorite. I won't dispute the fact that she is likely the fore-runner and deserves to be. Just had to back up the claim that players compete easier with Hiltunen  - I completely disagree with that!

I'm curious about this secret weapon  8) Sounds interesting...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 13, 2009, 03:23:16 PM
Quote from: eaglejacket1421 on February 13, 2009, 12:02:50 PM

I'm curious about this secret weapon  8) Sounds interesting...

MU- hahahahaha!
(Apologies- but could not help myself!)

;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 14, 2009, 06:41:59 PM
RMC 79 / W&L 70.  Bammer - I guess your secret weapon wasn't "pumpt".  You indicated on this board that the Generals had never had a more successful season.  I have to agree with Ralph Turner when he noted earlier this year that the ODAC is falling back in line with the other "D3 pack".  There aren't any Megan Silva's, Marsha Kinder's, Katie Herr's, etc.  The top tier teams  (RMC, VWC,  & Roanoke) wouldn't have suffered their "unusual" losses if there was not more parity in the ODAC this year.  In this game - W & L was out-coached by RMC.  (Let's not talk about turnovers, either.)  My vote for COY goes to Dunnegin. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 14, 2009, 07:26:54 PM
Congrats go out to secret weapon Bolton who equaled Ariail's 22 points: 7-9 field goals and 8-12 free throws, 3 assists and 3 steals. She was literally everywhere on the court.

"In this game - W & L was out-coached by RMC."

caylxx, I got to ask this: with Ariail and Reisbeck both sitting on the bench w/ foul trouble much of the last 10 minutes, and Ingram & Nadeau also running into foul trouble, why didn't Herman (who according to the game notes, leads the ODAC in fg percentage) get more touches on the ball inside? WLUR's announcers must have asked this question 3-4 times during that last run.

In the game Herman was 5-6 vs. Ariail's 9-14 with Hiltunan's 7 assists. - Just makes the point I was saying to bballmom about only LaHaye being savvy enough to take full advantage of her post player's strengths & building her plays according to her talent.

Though the game was much closer than the final score suggests, the L at Crenshaw didn't surprise me, with the Yellowjackets at home and out for revenge. Better there than later.

Young players never learn as much from a win as they do from a loss. The Gennies will just need to make some more adjustments going into postseason.

BTW, best wishes go out to Jen O'Briant. (Sounded like that might have been a ACL pop the way she landed). Hope everyone stays healthy going into postseason.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 16, 2009, 01:49:33 PM
Congrats dukeofargyle for figuring out the secret weapon.  Bolton turned in an impressive game even matching Ariail.  Not having Ingram in as much hurt the number of touches that Herman gets.  How about that charge drawn on Ariail by a guard hlping off.  Hope the Generals get another shot at RMC in the ODAC.  Now they need to get back in gear and finish this week off in a winning fashion. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 16, 2009, 05:27:25 PM
The Generals also need to get back to giving their bench a little confidence.  1 rebound and 1 steal - something's up there.  A Team needs to go into tournament time.  (p.s. - what does Ingram being in have to do with Herman's touches?)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 16, 2009, 08:21:17 PM
Ingram always looks to feed the post.  I believe  that she has a lot of assists.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: shsfan on February 16, 2009, 08:56:07 PM
Nice to see the ODAC represented in the most recent DIII national poll.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 17, 2009, 01:49:56 PM
Feb. 17 

   7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Bridgewater     
   7:00 PM  Randolph   Guilford     
   7:00 PM  Hollins   Emory & Henry     
   7:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Washington & Lee 

Predictions?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 17, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
Feb. 17

   7:00 PM  Lynchburg   Bridgewater    
This one might be tight. Lynchburg is revived after their off-court issue. I still go w/ BC on it though. More talent, home court advantage- that typically equals a win.

   7:00 PM  Randolph   Guilford    
This might be closer than we all expect. Regardless, Randolph just doesn't pack enough punch to pull out the W.

   7:00 PM  Hollins   Emory & Henry 
It hurts to consistently pick against Hollins. Bad.
   
   7:00 PM  Eastern Mennonite   Washington & Lee
W&L didn't play too bad at RMC Saturday. They come in with the same intensity, a win won't be surprising here.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 17, 2009, 09:04:34 PM
Tsk, Tsk, Eaglejacket 1421 - Randolph takes Guilford 73 - 68.   ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 17, 2009, 10:06:12 PM
You probably won't believe me when I say this, but... I had an inkling but was just too chicken to put my full confidence in it... That'll teach me to doubt Randolph again  ::)

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 18, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
Well before we all head down to Salem - we have a little business to take care of:

Feb. 20      

      7:00 PM  Washington & Lee     Roanoke              
   
     7:00 PM    Bridgewater    Hollins
            
     7:00 PM    Virginia Wesleyan    Emory & Henry          
   
     7:00 PM    Randolph-Macon    Guilford          
   
     7:00 PM    Lynchburg       Randolph
            
Feb. 21    

      4:00 PM  Virginia Wesleyan    Guilford          
   
     4:00 PM    Randolph-Macon    Emory & Henry          
   
     4:00 PM    Roanoke               Eastern Mennonite
            
     4:30 PM    Bridgewater       Washington & Lee
            
     5:30 PM    Hollins               Lynchburg


The Lynchburg / Randolph game aside, eaglejaceket1421, I would say the only really dicey one is the Bridgewater / Washington and Lee game.  Bridgewater is playing really well now.  Of course they also have Jean Willi at the helm.  My roll goes with Bridgewater.      
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 18, 2009, 07:53:15 PM
Feb. 20     

      7:00 PM  Washington & Lee     Roanoke             
Coach Dunigan has the 'Nokes playing some excellent basketball.

     7:00 PM    Bridgewater    Hollins
             
     7:00 PM    Virginia Wesleyan    Emory & Henry         
Va Wesleyan needs to use this game to tweak all of the little things that have caused them a little dismay. We all know this team is better than the product they've been putting out on the floor.

     7:00 PM    Randolph-Macon    Guilford         
Yellow Jackets shouldn't look over Guilford. After losing to Randolph, I imagine they feel like they have something to prove.

     7:00 PM    Lynchburg       Randolph........ Just kidding, give me Lynchburg. How quickly I forget.
           
Feb. 21   

      4:00 PM  Virginia Wesleyan    Guilford       
Second tough opponent of the weekend for Guilford. Expect them to be banged and bruised up after a physical RMC game.   
   
     4:00 PM    Randolph-Macon    Emory & Henry     
Tough weekend on the road for RMC. They lost to Emory and Henry last year or the year before last?. It wasn't pretty. I'm sure they remember.   
   
     4:00 PM    Roanoke               Eastern Mennonite
What happened to EMU? They showed so much promise at the start of the year, regardless of the loss of Caroline Riley....
             
     4:30 PM    Bridgewater       Washington & Lee
This game is at W&L, so my pick could quite possibly be completely off - but I'll keep my faith in Jean Willi. She typically doesn't have room for messing around at this point in the season.
             
     5:30 PM    Hollins               Lynchburg
Anybody else feel for #14 on Hollins? She could have made a significant impact on any of the other ODAC schools. Maybe sixth man on some teams, but overall a pretty solid contributor .


Anybody else want to participate with some predictions??
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 19, 2009, 06:46:13 AM
Feb. 20
Upset with W&L over Roanoke 3 point game at Lexington, Generals are much improved
Bridgewater over Holins
VWC over E&H
Upset #2 Guilford over RMC  Look for Seufer to have a big game
Lynchburg over Randolph

Feb.21
Picking the Generals over Bridgewater They will not lose at home
Only other game of interest is VWC at Guilford picking Guilford in an upset
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 19, 2009, 10:57:47 AM
Bammer, that's a ton of confidence in a team that just lost to Randolph...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 19, 2009, 12:03:51 PM
Latest regional poll out. Both Roanoke and Randolph-Macon in the top  6 in South Region!!!!  Good for the ODAC.

South
1. Oglethorpe 21-2 16-2
2. Texas-Dallas 20-3 20-2
3. Greensboro 21-1 20-0
4. Roanoke 21-2 19-2
5. Randolph-Macon 18-5 15-4

6. McMurry 18-5 16-4
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 19, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
Eaglejacket, I just have a hard time getting on the VWC bandwagon.  They seem to play some tight games that should not be tight.  Guilford has the same problem but being at home and closing out the season, they should give a good effort.  Congrats to Roanoke and RMC on being in the top 6.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 19, 2009, 01:51:54 PM
I can't remember any of the details, but TV network "x" was talking to DI Head Coach "y" about the secret of his success at university "z."  Simply, he said it was because he consistently defeated the teams he was supposed to beat and was competitive against the teams he wasn't expected to beat.

Quakers (and I'm a Guilford alumnus), you messed this up at home against Randolph Tuesday night!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 19, 2009, 03:52:50 PM
"Eaglejacket, I just have a hard time getting on the VWC bandwagon.  They seem to play some tight games that should not be tight.  Guilford has the same problem but being at home and closing out the season, they should give a good effort. "

I'm with you on the VWC topic, but could you honestly see a team that just lost to Randolph taking down RMC who is steam rolling at this point?  :o Playing at Guilford is never easy, but I can't see them pulling off the double upset - one or the other - not both... Then again, I didn't see that happening for Roanoke when they had an identical weekend.

If I had to vote a team as "Most Disappointing" I'd place my ballot in VWC's hat. They should have been MUCH better than they have been. I picked them to win the ODAC regular season, that's certainly not going to happen. A lot of question marks being raised in Va Beach.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 19, 2009, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 19, 2009, 12:03:51 PM
Latest regional poll out. Both Roanoke and Randolph-Macon in the top  6 in South Region!!!!  Good for the ODAC.

South
1. Oglethorpe 21-2 16-2
2. Texas-Dallas 20-3 20-2
3. Greensboro 21-1 20-0
4. Roanoke 21-2 19-2
5. Randolph-Macon 18-5 15-4

6. McMurry 18-5 16-4

Very good. The ODAC has a real shot at an at large bid with these two teams in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: shsfan on February 19, 2009, 11:25:09 PM
First round ODAC tournament predictions:

RC over LC by 8
RMC over EMU by 17
VWC over GC by 13
BC over WL by 5
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 20, 2009, 06:30:10 AM
Tournament predictions:

RC over LC
RMC over EMU
W&L over BC
VWC over GC in OT
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 20, 2009, 09:54:26 AM
Where is this confidence in Guilford coming from?  Do you know someone?  I also think VWC is better than they have preformed this year.  :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 20, 2009, 11:04:21 AM
I did pick VWC to win.  I just do not think this team has played up to their potential.  I also respect the game of GC's Croner.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 20, 2009, 07:43:43 PM
At half:
W&L 38, Roanoke 28.
RMC 47, GC 26
VWC 36, E&H 34
LC- 27,  RAND 24


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 20, 2009, 08:52:09 PM
Final scores for tonight

W&L 65,  Roanoke 54.
RMC 80,  GC 49
VWC 71,  E&H 63
RAND 64,  LC 54

Not sure if this shakes up seedings.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 20, 2009, 08:53:12 PM
Love this -  do us all a favor & just keep picking against the Gennies, caylxx and eaglejacket.
Bammer- you da man. 8)

Generals upend #1 Maroons by a comfortable 11 points: 65-54. W&L wins in Roanoke on senior night to revenge their 3 pt loss to them in Lex in January. Maroons never had lead at any point in the entire game. Gennies send 4 of their starters into double digits and dominate on the glass 46-31.

Lady Generals, you are awesome.

Life is good.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 20, 2009, 09:29:48 PM
Seriously, how to tie breakers work?  If you can't break the tie based upon head to head competition, I've seen from other postings that ties are broken by team with best record against next team in the ranking, e.g. if both Roanoke and RMC finish 17-3, then the one with the best record against the 3 seed (VWC) gets the higher tourney seed.  That would be Roanoke who beat VWC both times and RMC split against VWC.

Can anyone confirm this?

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gogenerals04 on February 20, 2009, 11:04:37 PM
The ODAC uses a points system to determine tiebreakers when head-to-head doesn't work. Based on my understanding of the system and my attempt at calculations, here are the scenarios for ODAC Tournament seeds, with the possible changes from tomorrow's results. I've listed the probable seeding, based on teams with better records winning Saturday (with other possibilities in parentheses):

1. Roanoke (if R-MC wins and ROA loses, then R-MC)
2. Randolph-Macon (if above happens, then ROA)
3. Virginia Wesleyan (if W&L wins and VWC loses, then W&L)
4. W&L (if W&L wins and VWC loses, then VWC; if W&L loses, then BC)
5. Bridgewater (if BC wins, then W&L)
6. Guilford
7. Eastern Mennonite
8. Lynchburg (if E&H wins and LC loses, then E&H)

Let me stress that this is all UNOFFICIAL. I think, though, that I've done the math right.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 21, 2009, 02:01:59 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 20, 2009, 09:29:48 PM
Seriously, how to tie breakers work?  If you can't break the tie based upon head to head competition, I've seen from other postings that ties are broken by team with best record against next team in the ranking, e.g. if both Roanoke and RMC finish 17-3, then the one with the best record against the 3 seed (VWC) gets the higher tourney seed.  That would be Roanoke who beat VWC both times and RMC split against VWC.

Can anyone confirm this?


If two teams tie at 17-3 (and split their season series), then the squad with the best record against the 3rd team gets the #1 seed.  So, if Roanoke defeated VWC twice and RMC got a split versus the Marlins, then the Maroons would, indeed, get the nod.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 21, 2009, 09:43:31 AM
dukeofargyle  - just because you make an educated, calculated guess on a game does not mean you are "against" the Generals.  The odds were clearly in Roanoke's favor.  Lighten up!  Big, big win for the blue and white.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 21, 2009, 10:32:23 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 21, 2009, 09:43:31 AM
dukeofargyle  - just because you make an educated, calculated guess on a game does not mean you are "against" the Generals.  The odds were clearly in Roanoke's favor.  Lighten up!  Big, big win for the blue and white.

Never said that.

Hey- 'educated & calculated' is sure safe- but boring. (Are/were you an accounting major? ;)) But it has no capacity to take in the intangibles: great team chemistry, passion & intensity. Though disproportionately young, the Gennies- when running on all cylinders -  have all those qualities.

Sure caused some chaos with the top rankings. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't W&L the only team in the conference that has split the season with each of the top three squads, two of which are regionally ranked?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: shsfan on February 21, 2009, 01:08:06 PM
"chaos with the top rankings"? Certainly a nice win, but if RC and RMC win today, there isn't even movement in the top rankings, let alone "chaos".
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 21, 2009, 02:28:15 PM
"Certainly a nice win, but if RC and RMC win today, there isn't even movement in the top rankings, let alone "chaos"."

Shs- I should have said 'seedings'. To clarify: with the top 2 teams now tied in their W-L records , many are now trying to figure out the tournament seedings. ...Just view the above posts.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 21, 2009, 07:25:22 PM
Open question:

If an ODAC referee announces to a coach (with the entire bench hearing this) that he had just called what he knew was a completely bogus foul on a player because he "had to make up a missed foul on the other side of the floor in a previous play", what should the coach do?  When this call is disputed by the coach, the fastest technical in the history of this game is called on the coach.

4 free throw points are gained by the opposing team on the opportunity of these 2 'fouls'. This team wins... by 4 points.

Does anyone know if this type of reffing is 'normal' for the ODAC? In most American high school districts, that ref would be made to turn in his zebra shirt permanently. I realize that the women's game (with some notable exceptions) will usually be given the less talented refs.   

I can only hope that the refs for postseason are much more carefully selected.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 21, 2009, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on February 21, 2009, 07:25:22 PM
Open question:

If an ODAC referee announces to a coach (with the entire bench hearing this) that he had just called what he knew was a completely bogus foul on a player because he "had to make up a missed foul on the other side of the floor in a previous play", what should the coach do?  When this call is disputed by the coach, the fastest technical in the history of this game is called on the coach.

4 free throw points are gained by the opposing team on the opportunity of these 2 'fouls'. This team wins... by 4 points.

Does anyone know if this type of reffing is 'normal' for the ODAC? In most American high school districts, that ref would be made to turn in his zebra shirt permanently. I realize that the women's game (with some notable exceptions) will usually be given the less talented refs.   

I can only hope that the refs for postseason are much more carefully selected.

Make up calls do happen. Admitting it to a coaching staff would be very rare and shocking I would think.
Was the W&L Coach/team a victim of this today?
  If the Generals(or a fan) have the audio on video tape of this conversation then I would certainly turn it into the ODAC office.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 21, 2009, 10:24:36 PM
I would attribute some of EMU's second half slump to injuries.  They have battled all year, but I think for the most part they haven't been playing with their entire team for the majority of the second half of the season. :(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 21, 2009, 11:11:52 PM
Good effort by the Generals against BC but too many mistakes.  Hope that Burkhoder is OK.  Looking forward to seeing the first round match-up on Thursday.  How about Guilford against VWC?  Nice season for the Generals as I believe they exceeded everyone's expectations except their own.  Could magic happen in Salem next week?  Great game by Becca Bolton.  She will be such a force in the ODAC along with fellow freshman Meg Ingram.  I guess I will have to go back to bookie school since I predicted no worse than a 3-1 record for the General's last 4 games.  One last prediction, the Generals will make it to the ODAC    championship game this year.  I will make my call on that game after their opponent is determined,  Great season to be a General and an ODAC fan.  So many good performances by so many girls.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 21, 2009, 11:26:34 PM
Now that I have your blessing, dukeofargyle, I will continue to pick against the Generals when I see fit. I understand the intangibles, I also understand when a team is literally BETTER than another one - sometimes there are upsets (that's why we play the game) and this is the perfect case of a lesser talented team beating one that may have been a victim of 1-being distracted by all the Senior Day festivities and 2-having a case of the look aheads, with the looking ahead being to the ODAC tournament. Come on, if you're Roanoke and you're sitting atop the ODAC and look on your schedule at your remaining games, you can't tell me that you don't assume two victories with W&L and EMU slated? We all know what the saying is about assuming - and this is a prime example why teams never should assume anything.

Picking W&L in that game is equivalent to the person who picks all of the underdog seeds for the first two rounds of March Madness - when they lose you say "oh, well no one expected them to win anyway- nice effort, ect." and when they win the rub it in the face mode goes into full effect. I'm no accountant, and I'm no robot predictor, but everything pointed in the 'Nokes direction for that one: because they ALSO possess team chemistry and the intangibles PLUS all of the statistical favorites.

It has surely been entertaining to watch W&L climb the ODAC ladder and taking a W over the Top 3 seeds (who can be described as having a see-saw season at best) is excellent momentum going to Salem. Taking that W over Roanoke was quickly muted by the loss in Lexington to Bridgewater - who is the logical choice for sleeper team in the ODAC tourny. Coach Willi seems to be the ODAC coach who understands college basketball the best : The Post Season is the ONLY thing that really matters. Regular season just determines seeding. This is perhaps the best explanation in determining why her teams perform so well down the stretch. I think the Generals have just as good a shot at taking home the bid as any other team, the seeding will determine their logical chances. Only time will tell just how good this team is - the post season is the one people remember, after all.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: shsfan on February 22, 2009, 12:39:46 AM
Quoating Dukeofargyle " Shs- I should have said 'seedings'. To clarify: with the top 2 teams now tied in their W-L records , many are now trying to figure out the tournament seedings. ...Just view the above posts."

Not really hard to "figure out". Please view my post above (2-19) referencing first round predictions, which are consistent with the current seedings. Others have posted acccurately regarding the tie breaker process. The seedings are now also available on the ODAC site.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 22, 2009, 12:18:47 PM
I had no doubt that the Bridgewater Eagles would take the Generals, but I didn't want dukeofargyle on my case. ;)  I hope duke wasn't implying that the refs cost W & L the game, though.  A coach should never do anything to imperil his or her team in the last minutes of a tight game.  I will say that Bridgewater has the most dangerous draw in the tournament.  It should be exciting in Salem!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 22, 2009, 12:33:29 PM
Caylxx, nope! - not what I said, nor my intent. Goes only to point out the poorer quality of refs in the women's game in general. 

Thanks, Jeremy for your answer.

Now, on to another topic:

It's the end of conference play and almost time to say goodbye to the ODAC seniors. Congrats and thanks to all the seniors who have given their passion, hard work, time & talent to this great sport. Your contributions have made the past 4 years memorable.

Though many of the seniors had remarkable successes, there are a few of these seniors who - IMO, are deserving of special note.

My top 5:
1)   Amanda Hiltunan (RMC) – Selfless player, (#2 in assists in the conference), sharpshooter  (#7 in points; #4 from beyond the arc, and at #2, deadly from the charity stripe with 89% with a 50% shot accuracy rate that earned her a #4 in FG%). Impressive & tireless defender; (# 5 in minutes played and #4 in swipes).  Plays with intensity and never-say-die attitude; this is a player who does it all & stands out even in a class of some great players. IMHO, with this exceptional player also graduates much of the heart and soul of this talented team.
2)   Tracey Croner (GC) - #5 in points; #5 also from free throw line; #8 in offensive boards; #13 in defensive boards; #10 in FG%; #6 in minutes played. Her graduation will leave GC with some shoes that will be hard to fill.
3)   Lindsay Reisbeck (RMC) - #17 in points, & #8 in FG%, she has been a force inside for RM. She also tallied a #4 ranking in blocks, and is #9 in defensive boards, #18 in rebounding overall.

The last 2 are given props & recognition mainly for their defensive abilities; as has been stated here before; I feel that this is the unsung hero category in this game:

4)   Rebecca Henderson (BC) - #1 in blocks, this is a center who is formidable guarding the basket. She is also #5 in defensive rebounds and #7 in overall rebounds. Of special note is her #29 ranking in minutes played at 26 per game - which is real impressive for a post player.
5)   Kara Nadeau (WLU) – tough, tenacious defender, one of the best senior defenders in conference at #11 in steals (with 2 per game); #13 in offensive rebounding and #16 on overall rebounds; & #15 in minutes played. Often assigned defense on the opposing team's best player. Came off season ending injury in her second year & fought back to start last year.  Despite the ballyhoo over the underclassmen this year, teammate Ridenhour (#23 in points; #13 in steals; #9 in mins played) and Nadeau's steady & calm leadership are in great part responsible for the upswing in success of this W&L squad this year.

Anyone else want to post on their favorite/most noteworthy seniors?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: generalee on February 22, 2009, 02:50:48 PM
Kara Nadeau is one of the unsung heros.  I feel she got a little shafted last year, but is doing great for the Generals this year.  Does anyone know what happened to Bridgewater's key player Burkholder?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 23, 2009, 08:25:44 AM
How can one be so sure about a BC win over W&L?  Their wins were by 1 (last second put back) and a 4 point win which was close at the end.  I'm sure that Coach Willi is a fine coach, but is this BC really a better pick in the ODAC tourney than W&L?  I guess that the answers will be told on the court this week.  My pick for the final is RMC-W&L.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 23, 2009, 09:13:51 AM
If the Eagles Burkholder is not good to go,  the Generals should cruise past Bridgewater.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 23, 2009, 11:09:35 AM
emufan - I feel for your Royals.  They did start off great - lots of teamwork - not even missing a beat without Riley.  I'm sorry for your illnesses and injuries.  It's disappointing when you know it was right there!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 23, 2009, 05:01:10 PM
"I'm sure that Coach Willi is a fine coach, but is this BC really a better pick in the ODAC tourney than W&L? "

Heeeeeck yes, for lots of reasons. First of all, Jean Willi is what I would call a post season coach. She understands that you can stink up the court all regular season long, but as long as you make it to the ODAC tournament, anything is fair game. Coaches that regularly see post season success understand the way it works, and she most definitely does. Secondly, her post season record the past few years has been phenomenal. Why pick against a team that has shown they can be the Cinderella Story time after time? Something clearly clicks in the post season for the Eagles, so picking them over a team that hasn't proven itself in the post season is just common sense.

I'm not saying that it's in the ODAC's best interest for a team like W&L or BC to represent the ODAC in the NCAA tournament and lose in the first round - BUT if I had to pick a sleeper team to put my money on, it would be Bridgewater. Jean Willi just knows what she's doing in tournament play. Yes, Timberlake has graduated. Yes, she was the player that hit the game/tournament winner last season against VWC. Yes, Burkholder may be hurting (if she doesn't play, W&L can have my vote). Yes, W&L has a ton of young talent with a pretty decent coach themselves. But overall, go with the team that has the coach who's been there, the coach that's KNOWN for upsetting in tournament play and the team that constantly gets looked over during the regular season every single year. That equation just adds up. (Anybody remember their Sweet 16 run in the Katy Herr era? ... No one, no one, NO ONE saw that one coming... Impressive...)

Now that I've said it, I realize that W&L players, coaches, and fans could be reading and using it as fuel to add to the fire- and so be it. I'll happily accept Thank You cards if/when W&L defeats BC in the ODAC tourny, haha.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 23, 2009, 08:59:07 PM
 ODAC tournament pairings and seedings with dates and times.
http://odac.bridgewater.edu/02.21.09_bball_tourneypairings.htm (http://odac.bridgewater.edu/02.21.09_bball_tourneypairings.htm)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 23, 2009, 09:20:36 PM
"Coach Willi seems to be the ODAC coach who understands college basketball the best: The Post Season is the ONLY thing that really matters. Regular season just determines seeding. This is perhaps the best explanation in determining why her teams perform so well down the stretch."

Soooo, it all comes clear! Coach Willi is a post-season mastermind- she sneakily lost 7 strategic games so as to draw the highly desirable 4th seed in the ODAC tournament!

Cunningly, she hid this maneuver by chipping away at a 14 point deficit on her home court against W&L in midseason and then winning by 1 point on a last second desperation putback!  The Next Part of her Artful Plan had to be to add a subsequent win by 4 points in the last game of the season against W&L, which now gives BC a huge advantage by allowing the Eagles to proudly wear the highly coveted White 'Home' Jerseys in the quarterfinal game - a tactical coup of monumental proportions...

Clever Coach Willi!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 23, 2009, 10:11:03 PM
Very witty Mr. Argyle. I somehow believe that you are wise enough to realize that the meaning of those words were nowhere near what was just depicted. I will spell it out, just in case there is confusion. Coach Willi does not let regular season woes bring her down in the post season. Who wouldn't want to sit atop the seeding at the end of the season? Sweeping a regular season title along side an ODAC tourny one would be the ideal situation. If you had to pick just one to have, what would it be?... Pretty easy question...

Her goal is not to perform poorly during the regular season and spectacularly WOW her critics in the post season. That isn't any coaches goal. She just somehow finds a way to motivate her girls down the stretch, when it matters most - the post season. She understands that the regular season determines seeding - and however her team chooses to perform is the hand she is dealt and she somehow knows all the magic tricks to make sure her Eagles end up with the top card when it's all said and done. Should I send you the game tape from last year's tournament?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 23, 2009, 10:29:48 PM
Prediction Time!!!

#1 Roanoke vs. #8 Lynchburg – 1:00 p.m.
Roanoke will be looking to make an early statement. After dropping the unexpected game to W&L Coach Dunnigan realizes what her opponents' mentality could quite possibly be.

#4 Bridgewater vs. #5 Washington and Lee – 3:00 p.m.
I think I've said enough about both of these teams to publish a short story.

#2 Randolph-Macon vs. #7 Eastern Mennonite – 6:00 p.m.
It's Amanda Hiltunen and Lindsey Riesbeck's senior season. I doubt they'll let it slip away against the Royals. (With that said, they can NOT look over this team. If EMU somehow find a way to play the way they were at the beginning of the year - this could be trouble.)

#3 Virginia Wesleyan vs. #6 Guilford – 8:00 p.m.
I generally HATE picking all of the top seeds, but I don't see Guilford pulling off the miracle twice.

Second Round Matchups with these winners:

Roanoke vs. Bridgewater
Roanoke has won this battle twice already this season. Beating a team three times is one of the most difficult tasks in basketball.

Randolph-Macon vs. Virginia Wesleyan
What very well could have been the title game last year. This'll be a fun one to watch.

Finals:

Randolph-Macon vs. Bridgewater
RMC out for revenge from last year and they will have it. This team deserves the NCAA bid. The ODAC needs this team to grab it b/c they have the best chance to do something with it. So much talent and the last real shot for RMC to do something at the national scale for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: shsfan on February 23, 2009, 11:43:07 PM
Dukeofargyle: To denigrate Coach Willi in this forum in the way that you have is not appropriate. Your words are somewhat cleverly crafted, but nevertheless make me suspect that you are a person who has never really interacted with the coach you are trashing???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 24, 2009, 06:48:40 AM
I did not mean to raise any disrespect toward Coach Willi.  My point was that BC had an OK season, not great for them.  The respect for BC on this board by many posters is quite high.  The opinion about a very similar W&L team does not seem to be any where as high.  Why?  This team did spank Roanoke (excuse was a meaningless game for Roanoke), beat RMU (excuse team was tired from travel and overlooked the game), beat VWC (not many VWC posters unknown excuse).  You said it eaglejacket that beating a team 3 times in a season was one of the hardest things.  Does this not apply to BC and W&L.  The Generals are a talented, well coached team that is young and getting better.  I guess that they will need a great ODAC toruney to get some people on their side.  Even if BC were to win Thursday, it has been a great season for the team that was picked ninth.  Great to get some discussion on this board.  I know that you guys will eventually see W&L as you should.  Get used to it, they will be a factor for this and the next 3 years.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 24, 2009, 07:03:32 AM
Hmmmm...shs. You really need to calm down & reread the post.

There is no trashing on it at all & no disrespect to this great coach intended. If coach Willi had read it, she herself would have laughed!  I'm just taking some other posters' hyperbole and injecting some well needed humor into the board. (BTW, it was accepted as such by eaglejacket, for whom it was intended.)

I guess the more lighthearted posts are not acceptable to those who have no sense of humor, such as yourself. Lighten up!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 24, 2009, 08:20:45 AM
"beating a team 3 times in a season was one of the hardest things.  Does this not apply to BC and W&L.  The Generals are a talented, well coached team that is young and getting better.  I guess that they will need a great ODAC toruney to get some people on their side"

Bammer, of course the rule of beating a good team 3 times in a season does not apply to W&L and BC – this well- respected rule can only apply to Roanoke & Bridgewater!

The overwhelming favorites of the ODAC seem to have been set for quite a few years, though. These teams (Roanoke, Randolph Macon and Bridgewater- in that order), can do no wrong & have some well - earned respect. Thus, there will always be handy excuses for any of their losses.

Even so, this board is singular in my experience because there is so little traffic or discussion on it during regular season from the fans of these 3 teams or the other well established teams. (notable exceptions: odacfan99, eaglejacket, emufan, bballmom & hasanova)

Take my experience: when there is a serious post, asking for opinions on which senior players the posters most respect, there is little to no response. When there are picks, the one to three posters who respond always go with the big three or the teams with the better stats.  When there is a provocative or humorous post- now there you can be assured of an outraged and one-dimensional self-righteous response, entirely lacking in any appreciation of the ridiculous.  As I said, the ODAC is a unique board.

BTW, don't worry about anyone being on the side of the Gennies. Whatever happens on Thursday, it has been an exciting ride, and a truly great season for our seniors to remember. W&L should have plenty of fans in the next few.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 24, 2009, 09:02:58 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 24, 2009, 06:48:40 AM
.... beat RMU .......

Ugh...maybe nit picky, but can you PA LEASE get it right...It's RMC or even R-MC

There's still a few teams in the ODAC that have not obtained the University level unlike WAL   ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 24, 2009, 09:06:16 AM
ODAC predictions:

Roanoke over Lynchburg
RMC over EMU
GC over VWC
W&L over BC

semifinals:
RMC over GC
W&L over RC

Finals
W&L over RMC   While Arial is a tough match up, Bolton is a tough match up also.  Ingram had a great game against them at home and will be the difference in this game.  Look for senior leadership from Ridenhour and Nadeau to steady the troops through the finals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 24, 2009, 09:12:26 AM
Love to get Macon fans upset so sometimes I just throw in U to see if they are paying attention.  This is basically pay back for saying after a win they would get on the bandwagon and then continue to pick against the Generals.  Also pay back for disrespecting the 3 win rule in the BC-W&L game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 24, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
dukeofargyle - I'd have to say you did sound a tad mean-spirited about Coach Willi.  I think you and Bammer need to look at it from a different perspective.  Posters aren't necessarily choosing the General players performance over the Eagle players'.  Perhaps they are going with Coach Willi's savvy and basketball acumen.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 24, 2009, 11:58:11 AM
One Last Time...

"Perhaps they are going with Coach Willi's savvy and basketball acumen."

--both of which qualities in this coach, has my full respect, I can assure you.

It was not intended to be 'about' her at all; as I said: it was intended only to lampoon all the hyperbole surrounding her postseason game - which I admit is sure noteworthy.

Sometimes it's difficult in emails, texts or posts to a forum to perceive intent or implication, but this one was so very far out that it would be obvious to most people that it was utterly ridiculous. 

Now - I am absolutely done with this subject.

Too bad many more thoughtful comments & topics do not receive much attention on this forum, but at least this more humorous post drew some life into this board-   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 24, 2009, 12:30:12 PM
WOW, maybe we are late to the game here but just noticed that R-MC's Amanda Hiltunen is a candidate for the 2009 Jostens Award!  Way to go, Amanda, you are truly a class act, a terrific student and most deserving of such an award.

I hope she knows how proud the entire R-MC community is of her and how thankful we are that she stayed "local" for her college experience.

Congratulations, Amanda, and GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 24, 2009, 12:33:08 PM
"I did not mean to raise any disrespect toward Coach Willi.  My point was that BC had an OK season, not great for them. The respect for BC on this board by many posters is quite high.  The opinion about a very similar W&L team does not seem to be any where as high.  Why?  This team did spank Roanoke (excuse was a meaningless game for Roanoke), beat RMU (excuse team was tired from travel and overlooked the game), beat VWC (not many VWC posters unknown excuse).  You said it eaglejacket that beating a team 3 times in a season was one of the hardest things.  Does this not apply to BC and W&L.  The Generals are a talented, well coached team that is young and getting better.  I guess that they will need a great ODAC toruney to get some people on their side.

BC had an OK season, yes. Just like in years past when Coach Willi coached her way to tournament title runs. whitecaylxx has it right: "Posters aren't necessarily choosing the General players performance over the Eagle players'.  Perhaps they are going with Coach Willi's savvy and basketball acumen." That is exactly what I have been saying.

People who do not have a personal tie to W&L has no real reason to "be on their side". They have not proven themselves... yet. No one is saying they can't or won't. No one is playing favorites. Put your objective hat on for a minute and think about this situation in pure basketball terms. That's what I, and posters like myself, try to do when making picks and determining sleeper teams, ect.

As far as the "excuses" go - no one is making excuses. I raised a HUGE question mark when W&L took down RMC earlier this year, and Bammer's reply was - "Eaglejacket - I am new to ODAC bball but could RMC problem be that they were tired from traveling."... That was the answer to the question raised. We try to speculate on why one team beats another, but beyond stats everything else we say is speculation. No one can pin point a reason, but we do the best we can to keep Division III women's basketball a sport people care about. If no one's blogging, speculating, and trying to pinpoint reasons, people question the legitimacy of the sport. If no one posts it gives the women basketball haters ammunition that "no one cares." Also, if you only post positive things about one team, no one can take the posts as seriously as someone who looks at things objectively.

duke- I understood what your post was entailing. I spelled it out just in case there was confusion amongst other posters. Honestly, my "hyperbole" is well warranted and in good company considering the glorification of all things W&L. Figured I'd balance out the scales with some other well-deserving teams.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 24, 2009, 12:56:21 PM
Huge congratulations to Amanda for that. Her stat sheet along with her genius-status GPA means she's not just a candidate, but a serious candidate with a pretty decent shot at being the second Yellow Jacket in less than 5 years. That always helps with recruiting and the image of the college overall. Randolph-Macon doesn't just recruit spectacular athletes, they also focus a lot on academic integrity and character. I have my fingers crossed that she can bring that trophy to Crenshaw.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 24, 2009, 02:12:07 PM
Good to see some new posters on this forum, 2RMCfans.

eaglejacket:
"Also, if you only post positive things about one team, no one can take the posts as seriously as someone who looks at things objectively."

Just for accuracy's sake, I'd like to note that last year I posted that I was a great fan of RMC guard Amanda Hiltunan's play. I was also a big supporter of Bridgewater going into the NCAA tournament.
Also, although no one responded, I recently posted that Hiltunan (along with other notable non-W&L seniors) was one the most exceptional players I have seen in this game and that the loss of a player of her caliber to graduation will certainly be felt by this team.

In any case, well-earned props again go out to her if she gets the Jostens Award. She is the real deal in every way. If she wins it, this award couldn't go to a finer young lady.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 25, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
Anybody else as excited for the ODACs as I am? I can't wait to see how everything plays out. There are tons of story  lines to be hashed out and I have a feeling this year won't disappoint.

Any way to listen live online?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 25, 2009, 05:32:03 PM
Roanoke over Lynchburg
RMC over EMU
Va. Wesleyan over Guilford
BC over W&L by 1 point

RMC over Va. Wesleyan
Roanoke over BC


Roanoke over RMC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 25, 2009, 06:34:54 PM
eaglejacket1421:

http://www.odaconline.com/odacbballtourney/
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: shsfan on February 25, 2009, 09:01:19 PM
Nice to see the ODAC so well represented in today's South Region rankings. Two ODACs out of the six ranked teams reflects very well on the conference.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 25, 2009, 10:10:33 PM
Congratulations to Meg Ingram, Rookie of  Year and second team all odac and to Becca Bolton, honorable mention all odac.  Great job!!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 25, 2009, 11:23:23 PM
Good to see R-MC racking up the awards! Molly Ariail Player of the Year - no big surprise there! Glad that she has one more year in yellow and black! Amanda Hiltunen also repeating as the Scholar Athlete which is well deserving. She works just as hard off of the court as she does on it and she deserves every accolade to come her way. Three of the First Team honorees also wearing yellow and black. All in all, a great showing for the Jackets. Hope to round the season out with a Josten's award and an ODAC Tourney title!

The only concerning factor is that the only players to grab awards were the top three. I think some of the younger players deserved some recognition, but there's always ODAC Tournament MVP to shoot for!

Big congratulations to Coach Dunagan. She deserved every bit of that award. To do what she did is truly remarkable. Everyone saw how Roanoke struggled last season w/o Erin Hansen and Dunagan used that as a learning tool for this year. Always thinking ahead, that one! That's a big picture coach.

I was also very glad to see Tamara Phillips get some recognition from Hollins. She is definitely deserving. She keeps her head up and pushes on despite the score. She's a very talented player and I love that she got the nod.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 26, 2009, 09:26:12 AM
Congratulations Coach Dunagan.  Absolutely deserved!  Is everyone ready for the big day?  Any word on Jordan Burkholder's status?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 26, 2009, 03:46:24 PM
ODACs are in full swing!

Roanoke pummels Lynchburg in the first match up - 75-48. Very balanced attack for the Maroons with four players reaching double digits. I pitty the team that has to take them on - Coach Dunagan is taking the Coach of the Year award in stride  ;)

First half of BC and W&L sounds like it's VERY sloppy. Listening on an ESPN Radio affiliate and the word is W&L's turnovers are absolutely killing them. Sounds like youth, except that Ridenhour is traveling an awful lot. With all the turnovers, BC hasn't been capitalizing on the Generals sloppy play. With the lead up to 11 at some points - BC let it slide at the end of the half of a game that could have been much uglier. 38-32 at the half, the Gennies are scraping away at the deficit. I look for Coach Willi to round up her troops at the half b/c word is she's flaming mad and ready to get her girls playing cleaner basketball. Coach King's half time speech will likely focus on taking care of the basketball. They are literally giving BC the ball every three or four possessions.
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Post by: Jeremybozz on February 26, 2009, 04:55:20 PM
 BC up 77-65 with 4 seconds to play. W&L's time will come but its not this year.
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Post by: 2RMCFans on February 26, 2009, 07:35:39 PM
R-MC dominates EMU and wins by 18.  Amanda Hiltunen has 18 pts and 9 assists.  (3 other Jackets in double figures including Lindsay, Molly and Maggie.)

Way to go, Jackets!  See you on Saturday!  GO JACKETS!!!!
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Post by: eaglejacket1421 on February 26, 2009, 09:49:36 PM
First round in ODACs really not surprising at all - and almost boring. Three blow out games and the BC W&L game could have easily been a blow out as well, according to the broadcast I listened to. The parity we spoke of was nowhere to be found - this round. Maybe Saturday we can get some surprises ;-).

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Post by: whitecaylxx on February 27, 2009, 03:38:40 PM
I agree, as expected - no surprises in the opening women's games.  The BC / W & L game turned out to be a fizzle - never a contest.  But let's talk about the men's tournament.  Wow, wow, wow!  Fantastic job by the Generals - taking down Guilford in double-overtime, 82-76.  The men came to play and showed how much they have improved since the beginning of the season.  Like eaglejacket1421 says - it's not the season - it's the post season.  With good coaching and improved players - anything is possible!
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Post by: dukeofargyle on February 27, 2009, 07:03:02 PM
Great win, Bridgewater. All props go out to Coach Willi and a very deep and talented Eagles squad.   Good luck against the Maroons tomorrow!

Of course the season absolutely matters! It is the learning ground for any young team. Despite this final loss, the Gennies had an amazing & exciting season. Just such a different team from the one that started in November.  The seniors should take a much deserved bow for truly recognizing that the dynamic they set up is one that can make or break a team. Their calm and steady leadership took this team to much better conference results than have ever before been achieved at W&L. They will be sorely missed.

The future is bright...The young Gennies will definitely be back - older, stronger and wiser. It's a safe bet that I am not the only one who greatly anticipates this. 
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Post by: whitecaylxx on February 27, 2009, 08:04:10 PM
dukeofargyle - I left it alone - but you went there.  I thought we weren't going to have any excuses (you and bammer set the rules  :D. ) W & L did not have a "young" team.  They started 2 freshmen and 3 upperclassmen - with experience on the bench.   The Eagles used their bench, the Generals not so much.  The talent was there - in my opinion. (I know - everyone has one!)  The Generals did have more wins, but did not advance in the post season as in the past.  I think the Eagles improved as the season went along and I think the Generals maintained.  This is not a negative post.  There is a lot of future potential on this team, and I do wish them the best.
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Post by: whitecaylxx on February 27, 2009, 08:06:54 PM
p.s. where is the love for the men's team?
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Post by: dukeofargyle on February 27, 2009, 08:40:34 PM
"dukeofargyle - I left it alone - but you went there.  I thought we weren't going to have any excuses"

Huh??? I went exactly where? It's a real mystery to me where you are coming from now, calyxx.

WHAT excuses? There were absolutely none in my post. However - unlike you - I did congratulate coach Willi and the Eagles for a great game and wished them luck for the balance of the tournament.   

Maintained?  The Gennies defeated each of the big three once this season; plus they defeated the top team  a week ago in the conference in a hostile gym on senior night by double digits.  I disagree, the Gennies most definitely improved over the balance of the season. Or did you just miss their early games?

As to the rest of what your incomprehensible post say, not too sure about your math. The Gennies started 2 seniors, 1 sophomore and 2 freshmen. A majority of younger starters, by anyone's math. 

Yes: it's too bad that they did not go far into postseason, but as I said before, in a rebuilding year, its a good thing to see the pattern begin: first year - competitive, next year - title contender and the following year - a dominant team.

Just about the only thing I can agree with in this post is that you are right about opinions; everyone has one.

Final thought: It's terrific about the men's team; I always enjoy exciting basketball where the underdog comes out on top.   

Still, my "educated guess" is that you picked Guilford over the Generals...
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Post by: whitecaylxx on February 28, 2009, 09:14:42 AM
I think you put a little too much oomph in my words.  I have congratulated the Generals when they have had big wins,  and there have been some good ones this year.  I felt that you implied their youth cost them the game and I did not agree.  As you have said in the past - you often can't discern a post's intent.  If you look at the last line of my post it says "There is a lot of future potential on this team, and I do wish them the best."  As for the men's game - I was cheering for them - a double-overtime win from an eighth seeded team is pretty amazing and shows true grit.

Now - predictions?

Feb. 28      

1:00 PM      Bridgewater           Roanoke              
   
   

3:00 PM    Randolph-Macon    Virginia Wesleyan


I'm sticking with Cinderella on the first game, even though I know my luck could be about to run out.  The head to head battle between Willi and Dunagan should be fun!

In the second game I think RMC's seniors and Arial can pull it out, but I don't think VWC has not shown us all she has going for her this year.

Anyone else?
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Post by: dukeofargyle on February 28, 2009, 10:06:11 AM
"I felt that you implied their youth cost them the game and I did not agree."

Let me clarify that absolutely their youth did NOT cost the Gennies the quarterfinal game. Bolton had a great game and the other two younger players contributed their fair share also.  IMO, the lack of points from the bench in that game hurt the Gennies the most.  The Eagles have a deep & talented bench & 34 bench points from the Eagles vs. 1 from the Gennies bench was an undeniable killer.

The Generals men take on the Eagles today at 6:00. This team has shown undeniable heart & a scrappy defense; even though Guilford outrebounded them 52-38, they still found a way to pull out the W.  Goodman's leadership and points throughout the quarterfinal shows the mettle of true fighters.

If they can curb Trawick's offensive output, my money is on the Generals.
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Post by: Jeremybozz on February 28, 2009, 07:59:30 PM
 Congrats to BC and RMC for advancing to the finals. Can BC pull it off again?
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Post by: dukeofargyle on February 28, 2009, 08:10:20 PM
Amazing-- THEY DID IT. 8th seed Generals men put away Bridgewater by 10 points.

W&L men go to the final game tomorrow at 3:30 to play for the ODAC Championship.
Congratulations!

Title Pick: RMC Women over BC for the championship. Just too much firepower on the Yellow Jackets.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 01, 2009, 03:00:18 PM
RMC over BC by 4 points. Close game - great hustle by Eagles; game tied back and forth throughout  2nd quarter.

Congratulations go out to the Yellow Jackets, 2009 ODAC Conference Champions & best of luck at NCAA playoffs~
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Post by: whitecaylxx on March 01, 2009, 06:44:00 PM
I find it very odd that Jordan Burkholder didn't make the all-tournament team.  Nonetheless - a great finals game, and the Eagles and the Yellow Jackets should be proud.  As for the men's game - the Generals inability to shoot free throws cost them the game.  What a shame!  Good luck Yellow Jackets as you advance.
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Post by: Jeremybozz on March 01, 2009, 08:44:16 PM
 Congrats to RMC on winning the ODAC this year and good luck in the NCAA's.
To the BC Seniors,especially Jenn and Becca, you have accomplished so much in your 4 years and we are very proud of you. That Sweet 16 run was so much fun as were the ODAC tourney runs last year and this year. Be proud and hold your heads up high.
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Post by: eaglejacket1421 on March 02, 2009, 09:38:42 PM
First things first - CONGRATULATIONS TO RANDOLPH-MACON FOR TAKING THE TITLE. Very talented team, and I truly think that having them advancing to the NCAA tournament was the best thing to happen for the ODAC. I know that the jackets were shaking in their boots, watching a 13 point lead fade to 4 in just 45 seconds! I believe my "hyperbole" came just about true... well... as true as I predicted it right before the tournament:

Quote from: eaglejacket1421 on February 23, 2009, 10:29:48 PM
Prediction Time!!!

#1 Roanoke vs. #8 Lynchburg – 1:00 p.m.
Roanoke will be looking to make an early statement. After dropping the unexpected game to W&L Coach Dunnigan realizes what her opponents' mentality could quite possibly be.

#4 Bridgewater vs. #5 Washington and Lee – 3:00 p.m.
I think I've said enough about both of these teams to publish a short story.

#2 Randolph-Macon vs. #7 Eastern Mennonite – 6:00 p.m.
It's Amanda Hiltunen and Lindsey Riesbeck's senior season. I doubt they'll let it slip away against the Royals. (With that said, they can NOT look over this team. If EMU somehow find a way to play the way they were at the beginning of the year - this could be trouble.)

#3 Virginia Wesleyan vs. #6 Guilford – 8:00 p.m.
I generally HATE picking all of the top seeds, but I don't see Guilford pulling off the miracle twice.

Second Round Matchups with these winners:

Roanoke vs. Bridgewater
Roanoke has won this battle twice already this season. Beating a team three times is one of the most difficult tasks in basketball.

Randolph-Macon vs. Virginia Wesleyan
What very well could have been the title game last year. This'll be a fun one to watch.

Finals:

Randolph-Macon vs. Bridgewater
RMC out for revenge from last year and they will have it. This team deserves the NCAA bid. The ODAC needs this team to grab it b/c they have the best chance to do something with it. So much talent and the last real shot for RMC to do something at the national scale for a couple of years.


Now the only thing to look forward to is RMC representing the ODAC in the Big Dance, and I couldn't want another team to get the nod to represent this conference. Best of luck Jackets.
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Post by: 2RMCFans on March 03, 2009, 05:55:15 AM
Does anyone know what time R-MC will play Thomas More at Messiah on Friday night? 

Way to go Jackets!!!  We hope everyone got home safely from Salem... what a storm!
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Post by: bbald eagle on March 03, 2009, 12:59:52 PM
Messiah will host First and Second Round competition this weekend, facing off against Eastern Connecticut State University (Willimantic, Conn.) Friday night at 7:30 p.m. Thomas More College (Crestview Hills, Ky.) will play Randolph-Macon College (Ashland, Va.) Friday at 5:30 p.m., comprising the other half of the four-team bracket. The winners of Friday's games will then meet Saturday night at 7 p.m. for the right to advance to the "Sweet 16."

http://www.messiah.edu/athletics/sports/womens_basketball/articles/0809/mar-2.html
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Post by: 2RMCFans on March 03, 2009, 05:46:23 PM
Thanks for the information on game times in PA!

GO JACKETS!!!!
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Post by: hoopstermom on March 03, 2009, 08:41:46 PM
Good luck to the Yellow Jackets!!  Should be a good crowd rooting for R-MC at Messiah.  Not too far for many to travel from Ashland, but just as beneficial is that Messiah is very near Molly Ariail's hometown so there should be ample opportunity for LOTS  of friends and family to cheer her on.

I'm sorry that Roanoke didn't get a bid to the tournament too though.   I think they were definitely one of the top 63 teams in the country.  I know they were in the mix, just too many conference upsets at the end that bumped them I guess.

CNU probably took a spot when they beat Greensboro in their championship game that possibly could have gone to Roanoke.   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: shsfan on March 03, 2009, 10:30:07 PM
Really nice post. Thanks!
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Post by: hoopstermom on March 05, 2009, 08:13:00 AM

If RMC wins (over Thomas More) will this still apply (see quote below)...meaning RMC could host a sectional!!! 

I know all the projections don't include this scenario, but hey, there are bigger upsets that have occurred and I don't see it as an impossibility that RMC could pull this off.

From the SCAC board -
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2009, 04:15:07 PM
If Thomas More and Oglethorpe and Hope advance, count on it being held at Thomas More, which is the only site of the three drivable from two of the others.


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Post by: hoopstermom on March 06, 2009, 07:12:32 AM
For those that can't attend -

RMC v Thomas More game can be followed on live stats:
http://www.messiah.edu/athletics/sports/womens_basketball/statistics/live/xlive.htm

or through SportsJuice:
http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTg%3d-Zz%2bY%2b1HkwNU%3d
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Post by: whitecaylxx on March 06, 2009, 08:18:03 PM
Thomas More 76 - RMC 61.   ???

Shooting percentage and rebounding seemed to be the key.  Thomas More had about 20 more rebounds.    Our condolences to RMC - good effort!
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Post by: Bammer on March 09, 2009, 10:11:17 AM
Tough team for RMC to have to play.  Was Riesbeck hurt?  I saw her minutes way down and Hiltunen seemed to have an off game.  RMC had a well regarded team with 3 decorated players.  I am sure that they are disheartened but they did have win the ODAC and represented the conference well.
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Post by: eaglejacket1421 on March 09, 2009, 04:49:33 PM
Rough way to go out for the Yellow Jackets. You know they have to be disappointed that their last game played out so poorly. They really didn't give themselves the chance to take it further. When you get out-rebounded by 20 and expect to win. You can't have Molly taking 19 shots while Amanda and Lindsay only took 5. Where is the balance that helped them succeed the second half of the regular season and through the ODAC tourney???  Rebounding and offensive/defensive balance are key to any successful squad and it seems like the Yellow Jackets let those things slip.

Regardless, they capped off an overall successful season with an ODAC Tournament Championship trophy and a trip to the Big Dance and that's never something to take for granted. Congratulations to Amanda, Lindsay, and Rachel for a great career and best wishes for their futures.

As far as the future of RMC is concerned, I'd like to point out that freshman Maggie Roy clocked in 37 minutes in that contest with 10 points and 4 assists to go with it. Another freshman Molly Brown notched 6 points in 12 minutes, and of course Molly Arail is back for her final curtain call next year. Should still be a very interesting season for RMC.
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Post by: hoopstermom on March 17, 2009, 08:23:43 PM
Congratulations to

Meghan Ingram of Washington and Lee for earning Rookie of the Year Honors in the South Region

and to

Molly Ariail of Randolph-Macon for being selected to the Women's All-South Region 2nd Team

Players were nominated for these awards by the Sports Information Directors at the various schools. All SIDs in the region were given the opportunity to vote.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on March 30, 2009, 08:48:02 AM
Guard Molly Look (East Hardy HS,WV) to Bridgewater.
www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=36685&CHID=20&sub= (http://www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=36685&CHID=20&sub=)
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Post by: Jeremybozz on March 30, 2009, 09:50:23 AM
 No team came closer to beating National Champion George Fox this year than Va. Wesleyan did (56-53).
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Post by: hoopstermom on April 22, 2009, 07:05:36 AM
Joy Scruggs leaving E&H after 28 years.  She will be missed.

I think she and Carroll LaHaye started around the same time and after Susan Dunagan was one of the longest serving women's coaches in the ODAC.

Anyone have recruiting scoop?

http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/sports/college/college_basketball/article/EHEN21_20090420-215509/260990/ (http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/sports/college/college_basketball/article/EHEN21_20090420-215509/260990/)
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Post by: hoopstermom on August 03, 2009, 10:23:58 PM
Great story about Emily Crider - RMC '05.  Would be interesting to see if Shenandoah meets R-MC anytime on the court in upcoming years.

http://www.suhornets.com/sports/wbkb/2009-10/releases/emilybobwedding (http://www.suhornets.com/sports/wbkb/2009-10/releases/emilybobwedding)
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Post by: hoopstermom on August 03, 2009, 10:49:45 PM
R-MC's schedule up for 2009-2010. Noticed no non-conference out of state games or tourneys lined up.  Just MWC and CNU outside of the ODAC. Maybe economics are impacting opportunities?

Nothing on Bridgewater's schedule OOC/OOS either.
Roanoke, EMU, E&H, Guilford, VWC, W&L don't have new schedules posted yet.

Only Lynchburg has a travel tourney early on their schedule (to Mt. Aloysius in PA)

Possibly some negotiating still underway?  I hope so.  It's nice to see how ODAC teams play and compare to  out of conference teams. Not to mention how it can impact rankings come tourney time to have some in-region, out of state and out of conference experience.

Anyone else with schedule or player scoop?
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Post by: PA Royals Fan on August 14, 2009, 09:17:26 AM
Here is a list of recruits for Kevin Griffin at EMU.  Looks good, at least on paper.


- Sara Lamneck - 6-0 F - Buffalo Gap HS - 2009 Group A State Player of the Year, 2009 1st Team All-State, 2008 2nd Team All-State, 18 PPG, 12 RPG, 3.4 SPG, 24 double doubles
- Danielle Rittenhouse - 5-7 G - Lampeter-Strasburg HS (PA) - 1st Team All-Section, 2nd Team All-District, 13.7 PPG & 7 RPG
- Brittany Boarman - 6-1 C - Hedgesville HS (WV) - Honorable Mention All-State, 1st Team All-District, 12 PPG 8 RPG (also VB)
- Sophia Holmes - 5-5 G - Clarke County HS - 2nd Team All-District, 1st Team All-State (Track), 8 PPG, 4 SPG, 4 APG (also Track)
- Shandell Taylor - 5-7 G - Highland Springs HS - 10 PPG & 3 APG
- Jennifer Blankenship - 5-8 G - Bassett HS - 12 PPG & 4 RPG
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on September 01, 2009, 03:35:38 PM
Roanoke just picked up a girl that originally went to Tennessee, torn up her knee, transferred to JMU and is now going to RC.  She is 6'2".  Hope it works out for her because it sounds as though she has talent but bad luck.
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Post by: whitecaylxx on September 17, 2009, 11:12:38 AM
Nicci Moats was a very talented athlete in high school.  If she is able to recapture the magic, she will be a formidable recruit for Roanoke.  I'm sure everyone wishes her well.  http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/217267
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Post by: bballmom4 on October 14, 2009, 01:23:54 PM
It will be interesting to see how the Lady Hornets match up this year.  They have lost all starters, including one to Roanoke.....should be interesting.  They had put the program back on the map and were very competitive, now, looks like they are back to rebuilding.
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Post by: Bammer on November 05, 2009, 02:16:27 PM
Congratulations to Molly Ariail on her being a preseason national POY pick.  Surprised that RMC wasn't the #1 pick in the ODAC preseason.  Should be a good, competitive year.
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Post by: hoopstermom on November 10, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
Molly also gets named as Honorable Mention pre-season All American. 

Much of Molly's and R-MC's achievements will depend on success of new players and existing players stepping up to fill big shoes vacated by Hiltunen and Riesbeck.

Agree with you Bammer, will be good competition again this year.
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Post by: dukeofargyle on November 11, 2009, 05:26:43 PM
"Much of Molly's and R-MC's achievements will depend on success of new players and existing players stepping up to fill big shoes vacated by Hiltunen and Riesbeck."


Couldn't agree more, hoopstermom.

Hiltunan always had my admiration as a young lady who was a force wherever she played- untiring and generous in her game. Reisbeck was a strong presence and IMO played an irreplaceable part in the Yellow Jackets offense.

RMC still has a lot of talent, but the combination of these top 3 players in the RMC program in the past few years produced a dynamic that was amazing. In my experience, that chemistry will be hard to reproduce, but RMC still has a very strong squad that should go far this season.


EMU also has reloaded very successfully. Kevin Griffin gets well-deserved props on his recruiting. Roanoke could dominate again this year with their impressive recruits also, but I - for one, am hoping for a year of some more surprises. Wouldn't it be nice to see Hollins win against some strong competition?


Best of luck to everyone this season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on November 13, 2009, 10:56:16 AM
Hollins' roster is full of freshmen.  I hope they can give some good competition this year!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 16, 2009, 07:33:31 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on November 13, 2009, 10:56:16 AM
I hope they can give some good competition this year!

Looks like that will be the case.  Congratulations to Hollins!!  They picked up a win over Gallaudet last night to end a 63 game losing skid. 
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Post by: Bammer on November 16, 2009, 08:44:36 AM
Who do you think will be the players to watch this season?  Also, what is the deal with Roanoke and all the transfer players?  Maybe time to go the juco route to try and compete (just kidding).  I pick the player with the most pressure on them is Molly Ariail.  Points and rebounds will not be enough, leadership should come from her.  As always - GO GENERALS
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on November 17, 2009, 07:02:23 AM
 Jordan Burkholder of Bridgewater was ODAC tourney MVP as a Freshman.
Now a Junior,can she help carry the team early while the young Power Forward's and Center's get used to the college game?
If she can, an NCAA bid is not out of the question.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on November 18, 2009, 11:57:24 AM
EMU is starting off slow out of the gate - http://www.emu.edu/athletics/news/?id=2358 
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Post by: y_jack_lok on November 21, 2009, 09:49:09 AM
Nice win for Randolph-Macon last night. From the audio I heard of the 2nd half, before my computer lost the broadcast, it sounded like they were playing well together. And the box score shows 11 players with double digit minutes.
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Post by: Jeremybozz on November 24, 2009, 07:25:17 PM
Bridgewater 69,Averett 57 Final
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Post by: whitecaylxx on November 25, 2009, 12:16:56 PM
EMU squeaks by Lynchburg.  Still not sure what's going on there.  Lots of talent on the roster!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 25, 2009, 03:06:22 PM
After seeing 3 ODAC teams and looking over some box scores, it seems that the league is wide open.  Roanoke looked very beatable against Guilford.  I am sure that some of the transfers will improve will some more court time, but they were very sloppy and not very efficient offensively.  RMC has the league mvp but they have a new supporting cast.  I'm with you whitecaylxx, EMU has the talent but something has not messed.  W & L started off against 2 tough teams and was tied with both with 5 minutes to play.  Problem is they play 40 minutes not 35.  They have looked good at times and the freshmen have added depth.  Bolton and Ingram have played well and will be a force in the league.  League play is going to be a pleasure to watch this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on November 30, 2009, 05:49:54 PM
Here's hoping the Generals will be able to take home their first win this season - but Hollins won't be the cake walk it once was!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 01, 2009, 09:25:43 AM
The Generals steam-rolled over Hollins.  Looks like Hollins needs some work!  Where is everybody this year?  Let's get some chatter going.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on December 01, 2009, 11:16:31 AM
Ingram and Bolton had strong showings against Hollins.  Good that everyone got to play and contribute.  Team has more depth this year.  Looking forward to the game at RMC after Christmas.  That should show how W&L stacks up this year.  I expect them to do well.  Remember, they split with RMC last year and RMC had a much more experienced squad last year.  I am willing to make 1 prediction - Roanoke will not be the regular season champion.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 01, 2009, 11:44:26 AM
Well Roanoke certainly didn't live up to it's ranking in the game against Guilford.  It will be interesting to see how the Maroons do against the Bridgewater Eagles tonight.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on December 01, 2009, 04:35:42 PM
WOW - RMC at #19 this week.  Were they ever ranked this high last year?  That must be some group of freshmen and underclassmen stepping up this year. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 01, 2009, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: Bammer on December 01, 2009, 04:35:42 PM
WOW - RMC at #19 this week.  Were they ever ranked this high last year?  That must be some group of freshmen and underclassmen stepping up this year. 

Actually it's #18. And if you look at the pre-season poll they were the third team in the "others receiving votes" category, therefore essentially #28. While it's a bit hard to make credible observations without having seen the team play, having listened to two of the three games it seems that everyone is playing well so far when on the floor and the chemistry is good.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 02, 2009, 12:06:29 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on December 01, 2009, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: Bammer on December 01, 2009, 04:35:42 PM
WOW - RMC at #19 this week.  Were they ever ranked this high last year?  That must be some group of freshmen and underclassmen stepping up this year. 

Actually it's #18. And if you look at the pre-season poll they were the third team in the "others receiving votes" category, therefore essentially #28. While it's a bit hard to make credible observations without having seen the team play, having listened to two of the three games it seems that everyone is playing well so far when on the floor and the chemistry is good.

I get to eat my words already. I was able to watch the first 15 minutes of tonight's R-MC v Lynchburg game on the videocast. In spite of the fact that the Jackets got out to a 9-0 lead, there was never a point at which I thought they looked like the better team. Not that Lynchburg looked all that great, either, but Lynchburg appeared to me to be playing with more energy and determination. When I had to leave I think the score was tied, but I was not suprised to get home and find that Lynchburg had won.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on December 02, 2009, 03:15:07 PM
I watched the entire webcast and I think you are right - Lynchburg wanted it more. RMC looked a bit flat in the first half but made a determined comeback in the second half that almost carried the day. Lynchburg had just enough heart and hustle to hold them off. Great effort by the Lynchburg starters and great contibutions from the Lynchburg bench (including 27 of the team's 41 first half points). Overall, an exciting game!
Lynchburg is a young team that looks like it is beginning to believe in itself. It will be interesting to see how well they build on this win, but they sure don't look like they intend to finish in ninth place in the conference! They have a lot of new faces - fully half of last night's points were scored by players who were not on the team last year - but they are playing as a team at both ends of the floor with many contributors. That's a good sign for them.
RMC has great talent and may have just had a bad night - looking past an opponent, perhaps?
At this point it looks like it should be a very interesting season in the ODAC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bball21 on December 02, 2009, 04:39:48 PM
I saw Lynchburg play EMU. Lynchburg started out strong and was ahead for a period of time. EMU came back with a strong second half. Lynchburg played hard and has a nice young team. But EMU has a lot of weapons. If EMU can get it all together...look out! They have some very good Freshman playing with some very good upperclassmen. If they can get a little more healthier and get all the bugs out, I feel they can go a long way.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 03, 2009, 09:33:21 AM
RM made strong comeback and it was great game that was spoiled at end by dirty play.  With 3pt lead, #23, Snead of Lynchburg threw an elbow and broke the nose of RM player, the blow was so strong it caused concern of a damaged eye socket.  While it got Snead out of game with 36 seconds to go with her 5th, and gave RM under the basket out of bounds layup to close to 1 pt, the RM team and coaches had to be distracted by their player laying on the floor with the damaged face by an unnecessary play on the part of the Lynchburg player.

Playing with spirit is great but it is a bad reflection on the coach and school if the players cross the line.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 03, 2009, 10:00:54 AM
If dirty play was involved, I am sorry.  But I don't think RMC should have been in such a tight position anyway.  And how about Guilford?  The Quakers certainly picked up a big win!  Not a good showing for the Generals!  Here's hoping the tide turns in California.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gr8day4bsbll on December 03, 2009, 10:04:36 AM
I was sorry to see what happened to the RM player as well, but my understanding is that the play in question was certainly aggressive, but not dirty and not overly aggressive -- simply what you'd expect from a hungry team hustling to protect a lead, and an unfortunate although inadvertent injury occurred.  Yes, a foul was called -- but it wasn't called as a flagrant foul nor did it include a technical foul with ejection, which is what you'd expect if the refs thought the player's actions had crossed the line.

That being said, it's clearly going to be an interesting ODAC hoops season this year...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 03, 2009, 10:21:46 AM
Dirty play is dirty play.  Often if officals review a play on tape they make changes.  When a players leaves a program, we assume it's the player, there may be a reason a number of players from last years team have left.

No doubt they will give #23 the game ball.  Having to go back to school and prepare for exams this week,as well as deal with a face operation is not the way I would want to spend my xmas vacation.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on December 03, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
WOW...I did not see the game with LC and RM, however, from the comments here, sounds like it was a very physical one.  All I have to say is that if you throw an elbow so hard that you break someone's nose, that is way too physical.  Yes, basketball is a contact sport, but with that hard of a hit....well, if the tables were turned I am sure the thought would be exactly the same on the other side.  Oh, and also, rest assured that refs always miss the big picture and/or big play.  Hope the RM player is doing well! I wonder if the #23 thought to even ask the RM player if she was o.k.?  That too would have been good sportsmanship!  Hopefully she did.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 04, 2009, 12:19:34 PM
Predictions?

Dec. 4   Lynchburg - Emory & Henry   
           
             Roanoke -  Randolph   
   
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Dec. 5   Randolph-Macon -  Bridgewater   
           
             Hollins -  Roanoke   
   
             Randolph -  Emory & Henry     
   
             Eastern Mennonite -  Virginia Wesleyan   
 
             Lynchburg - Guilford   
   

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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on December 04, 2009, 02:05:51 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on December 03, 2009, 10:21:46 AM
Dirty play is dirty play.  Often if officals review a play on tape they make changes.  When a players leaves a program, we assume it's the player, there may be a reason a number of players from last years team have left.

No doubt they will give #23 the game ball.  Having to go back to school and prepare for exams this week,as well as deal with a face operation is not the way I would want to spend my xmas vacation.
Wow, that seems like a lot of conclusions to be drawing from a single incident! Dirty play=dirty player=dirty coach=dirty program=game balls for dirty play=girls leaving because they don't want to play dirty!!
I agree with gr8day4bsbll that it was an unfortunate play, and I sincerely hope the injured girl has a quick and complete recovery, but I don't think it was a deliberate blow to inflict injury. As I saw it, #23 grabbed a rebound while surrounded by RMC players, and swiped the ball to get space for herself. That is standard post play - one swipe is fine, 2 or 3 will usually draw a foul. I think that's what happened in the heat of the moment. Maybe you saw something different, but I don't know how either of us can know the players intent without asking her...
Either way, I hope we can all remember that sportsmanship should apply here as well as on the court!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on December 04, 2009, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on December 04, 2009, 12:19:34 PM
Predictions?

Dec. 4   Lynchburg - Emory & Henry   
           
             Roanoke -  Randolph   
   
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Dec. 5   Randolph-Macon -  Bridgewater   
           
             Hollins -  Roanoke   
   
             Randolph -  Emory & Henry     
   
             Eastern Mennonite -  Virginia Wesleyan   
 
             Lynchburg - Guilford   
   

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Given the season so far, I'm afraid to predict anything other than that there will be at least one upset! ;-)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 05, 2009, 01:45:07 PM
BC 18.RMC 4 so far. Ariail with 2 fouls.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 05, 2009, 01:47:12 PM
BC 21,RMC 4

Burkholder with 12 points. Logan with 6 thus far.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 05, 2009, 03:14:21 PM
Macon 76, BC 70
Burkholder just fouled out with :55 to go
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 05, 2009, 03:20:28 PM
RMC wins 81-72 over BC

Maggie Roy with 24 pts, Ariail with 20 pts fo RMC
Burkholder has 22 for BC

Macon outscores BC by 18 in the 2nd half after being down by 9 at the half as by as much as 14 in the 2nd half.
Must have been two totally different games.



Anyone who was there care to share any details.  I'm just looking at live stats.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on December 05, 2009, 03:30:01 PM
^ we watched the game online... Jackets couldn't buy a basket in the first half. 

Coach Lahaye did a fabulous job settling them at the half as they worked their way back into the game with outstanding defense and on the strength of Maggie Roy's offense.... and I think Molly was incredible from the foul line.

Way to go Yellow Jackets!  Wishing them a safe trip home and some happy holidays!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on December 05, 2009, 04:49:33 PM
After watching 2 seasons of basketball in this conference, the odac has the worst group of refs i may have ever seen.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 06, 2009, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: bballfan20 on December 05, 2009, 04:49:33 PM
After watching 2 seasons of basketball in this conference, the odac has the worst group of refs i may have ever seen.

I think a lot of people around the country will argue that their refs are the worst. I've been reading all over D3hoops for about 8 years and I have yet to see anyone happy with the officiating in their conference. And I've repeatedly pointed out that the refs seen at a given conference's games are generally not officiating exclusively in that conference. They work games of schools in a certain geographic area, not all of which are in the same conference.

You have lots of company when it comes to being unhappy with officiating. Welcome to the in crowd.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 16, 2009, 01:29:33 PM
Why is no one talking about VWC's and Roanoke's losses?  Where is everyone?  It doesn't seem like Roanoke's "D-1" player has found her groove yet.  It will be interesting to see how the post holiday season goes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 29, 2009, 10:58:46 AM
Congratulations Washington and Lee on the big win in California.  I am confused though - where is Capital ranked 21st?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mamadukes on December 29, 2009, 03:18:33 PM
They are ranked #21 in the

USA TODAY ESPN DIVISION III TOP 25 COACHES' POLL

They are #26 with 65 votes in the most recent DIII Hoops Poll
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 30, 2009, 10:26:48 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on December 31, 2009, 11:23:03 AM
Wow - PLNU put a thumping on W & L!  86-47 and 37 turnovers??  Is PLNU in any ranking?  (Since I missed out on the last one.)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on December 31, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
I believe they said that PLNU is ranked #3 in the NAIA.

Terrifically athletic and quick, this team runs a 2-1-2 full press almost the entire game that did a number on all the D/III colleges they played in the tournament. This press caused great chaos to the offenses of the opposing teams, resulting in many more turnovers & fewer shots made. PLNU beat all 3 opponents by a 20-35 point range.

Though W&L did maintain an advantage on the boards by + 9, the 37 turnovers to PLNU's 12 killed them.
All props to Becca Bolton for her 16 points, 11 boards and her all-tournament team honors.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mamadukes on January 01, 2010, 08:34:38 PM
Don't feel too bad, whitecaylxx. I had to look up PLNU :'(
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on January 03, 2010, 10:56:15 PM
So i went and saw the virginia wesleyen game today, and i was dumb founded by the "home court advantadge" that they had with the refs, even the way the refs interacted with the two coaches was totally one sided. I witnessed the one female ref actually change the way she was making her charging and blocking calls based on what the vwu coach said to her, and when the lynchburg coach mentioned something to the same ref, she responded with an immediate attitude towards her, i dont know if the refs read these boards, but they should be ashamed of the impact that they had on the out come of the game. every time LC would get on a roll, the refs would make an abserd call, and it wouldnt have been bad if they were horrible towards both teams, but even VWU parents were commenting after the game about how one sided it was. Kinda makes me wonder what kinda training they make these people go through before they put them in stripes and stick them on the court.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 04, 2010, 12:25:50 PM
Wow - I expected W & L to give RMC a better run for their money.  Turnovers and lack of rebounding sunk the Generals.  I want to see  if W & L can rebound against the Marlins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 04, 2010, 06:31:47 PM
I was also at the VWC game and it was a bit lopsided. Maybe the refs were influenced by the fact that Coach Dunmyer was going for her 100th win... However, I have to note that VWC also outplayed LC. LC had 28 turnovers to VWC's 17, and although some of the turnovers were referee-influenced (e.g., an LC player being physically mauled in a trapping situation, and being called for a travel), most were caused by poor passing by LC players. I don't know how many points those +11 TOs resulted in, but it was clearly more than enough to account for the margin of victory.
Other than their upset of RMC, the Hornets have been struggling. Their schedule has been a bit tougher than some (all 7 losses to teams with winning records at this point), but they clearly need to improve. They also seem to have confidence problems, with a pattern emerging of falling behind early and then mounting furious comebacks, almost as if it takes them a quarter or a half to figure out whether they can actually play with their opponent...
By the way, is anyone betting on RMC to stay in the top 25 after losing to Christopher Newport? I am not a particular fan of the latter but they are 9-0 with a win over a ranked team. Don't they belong in the top 25?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on January 05, 2010, 10:36:25 PM
Agreed on the turnover, seems like thats been a common theme for their struggles this year. tonight was another example of that, I dont know how many turnovers they committed but there was alot. Its not even just their young players either, they were down 39 to 33 at the half, then roanoke went on a huge run to start the second half. Burgs future looks good tho with alot of their talent being young.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 05, 2010, 11:32:27 PM
"I want to see  if W & L can rebound against the Marlins."

Caylyxx,  I'd say that against an undefeated team, with a one point buzzer-beating win by VWC, W&L didn't do badly. Despite the loss, it turned out to be a great game. The Gennies seem to have a pattern of gelling after the holidays. The offense sure came together after the first half.

So, looks like they have some talent deep into the bench and if they can get it together on their taking care of the ball, their win-loss ratio could be deceptive going into conference play; hey - l hope so! At least it's good to see that the recruiting seems to be flowing smoothly for Coach King. The first years have done a real  nice job so far.

Congrats to VWC's Spencer on her last second jumper at the buzzer that won this one for the Marlins by 1 point.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 06, 2010, 09:47:06 AM
Dukeofargyle - I agree it was an exciting game - but undefeated? I believe VWC is only 6 - 4.  ???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 06, 2010, 10:27:48 AM
Whoa! You're right- they are 3-2 in the conference!

It's been a few weeks since I last checked in on the ODAC rankings. My bad.  Great game anyway, against a strong team. Here's hoping that great chemistry kicks in like last year and they peak at the right time down the stretch.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 06, 2010, 01:03:46 PM
The General's season has not started smoothly, but all hope is not lost.  Good to see Herman have a good game against VWC.  The freshmen are showing promise and Ingram and Bolton have turned in strong and steady performances.  Need to pick up some wins and get the offense going.  This team has potential and should be ready by tournament time. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 08, 2010, 02:39:56 PM
Big weekend coming up.  Predictions?

Jan. 8 

Guilford  Bridgewater    7:00 PM 
   
Washington & Lee    Lynchburg   7:00 PM
   
Hollins   Virginia Wesleyan    7:00 PM 
   
Roanoke   Randolph-Macon   7:00 PM 
   
Emory & Henry   Eastern Mennonite    7:00 PM 
   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jan. 9

Hollins  Randolph-Macon    2:00 PM 

Emory & Henry   Bridgewater    3:00 PM
   
Roanoke    Virginia Wesleyan   4:00 PM 
   
Guilford   Eastern Mennonite    4:00 PM 
   
Randolph  Washington & Lee    4:30 PM

  Playing it safe...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 08, 2010, 05:15:08 PM
Your picks do look pretty safe, but I'd go with EMU over either of their opponents this weekend...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 09, 2010, 07:22:55 AM
R-MC knocked out a great win over Roanoke in a very close game.  Both teams played tough defense all night but R-MC got shots to drop (finally) when they had to.  Jennifer O'Briant was a huge factor late in the game with 2 killer 3s!

Way to go, Jackets!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 09, 2010, 09:34:48 AM
Brookland - I did go with EMU - only 10 points seems a little weak.  Big win for RMC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 09, 2010, 06:22:19 PM
Guilford overcame a 13-point deficit at EMU to hand the Royals their first defeat of the season, 60-53.  Nice win for the Quakers - makes that bus ride home sweet!  On the flip side, I'm sure it was quite a disappointing collapse for Eastern Mennonite, but kudos to the Royals for winning their first ten games. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 11, 2010, 04:00:18 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on January 09, 2010, 09:34:48 AM
Brookland - I did go with EMU - only 10 points seems a little weak.  Big win for RMC!
You sure did - sorry for the temporary dyslexia on my part! Overall, I'd say the weekend went according to the odds for 8 of the 10 games. It's hard to call the RMC win over Roanoke an "upset" - they were both expected to be top teams - but, as you say, a big win for RMC nonetheless. The Guilford win over EMU was a bit more of a surprise to me...
I think the conference is starting to sort itself out - but I'm still expecting a few real surprises before the season is over...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 12, 2010, 02:25:05 PM
Should be a good game between W&L and EMU tonight.  This is a critical game for the Generals and I am picking them to win this one.  They should be stronger inside and able to match up at guards so a close game.  Any predictions?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 12, 2010, 08:29:07 PM
You were spot on Bammer.

W&L up by 21 with 3:00 min to go over EMU.

BC up by 20 over LC with 7:15 to go.

RMC drops an OOC game last night to Mary Washington.  

Getting into the thick of things now with conference play  

Looks like anyone can beat anyone. Will be interesting to see who can maintain their "A" game the longest.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 12, 2010, 08:38:54 PM
Final score: W&L-66   EMU- 46

Never a big spread over W&L for EMU. W&L ahead by 10 at the half and ahead for most of the game.

Not a surprise about BC vs LC.

Looking like a more interesting run for everyone in conference play from here on out.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 12, 2010, 08:50:20 PM
Close one at E&H with Hollins.

8 lead changes 4 ties

E&H holds on for the win 72-70
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 12, 2010, 08:53:56 PM
Wow, how much closer can stats be ....

E&H made 19/40 fg  6/16 3pt 16/23 ft  38 rb  23 to
HU   made 19/39 fg  6/16 3pt 14/21 ft  37 rb  21 to
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 12, 2010, 09:24:11 PM
The Guilford Quakers top the woefully understaffed (7 players) Randolph WildCats tonight in Greensboro, 76-43.  Randolph led very early 6-4, but a Guilford three put the Quakers up 7-6 and they were never headed after that.  GC improves to 8-5, 5-3 and Randolph falls to 2-11, 1-8.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 13, 2010, 06:52:33 PM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on January 12, 2010, 08:38:54 PM

Not a surprise about BC vs LC.

Looking like a more interesting run for everyone in conference play from here on out.

I watched the BC-LC game and it was a turnover-fest: 30 for LC and 28 for BC. Both teams had their share of "dumb" TOs (passes to nowhere, unforced errors, etc.) but LC had more. Unfortunately, TOs have become a recurring theme for LC, along with a lack of consistent scoring and very uneven defense. Last night BC looked sloppy but LC looked uncertain, a far cry from the team that upset RMC earlier this season. Coach Tobey has a real challenge getting the team back to that point...
BC's Burkholder had a good game at both ends of the court: 21 points and 7 assists on offense, 3 blocks and 3 steals on defense. Tamara Snead continued as the most consistent threat for LC with yet another double-double: 15 points and 13 rebounds (I don't think I have seen a better 5-8 rebounder!), but not too many bright spots for LC. Here's hoping both teams have a surprise or two left in them - gotta keep the conference interesting!!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 13, 2010, 06:54:50 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 12, 2010, 09:24:11 PM
The Guilford Quakers top the woefully understaffed (7 players) Randolph WildCats tonight in Greensboro, 76-43.  Randolph led very early 6-4, but a Guilford three put the Quakers up 7-6 and they were never headed after that.  GC improves to 8-5, 5-3 and Randolph falls to 2-11, 1-8.
Anybody know what happened? Injuries? Illness? Girls who quit? Roster on the website has more girls than that...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 14, 2010, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: Brookland on January 13, 2010, 06:54:50 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 12, 2010, 09:24:11 PM
The Guilford Quakers top the woefully understaffed (7 players) Randolph WildCats tonight in Greensboro, 76-43.  Randolph led very early 6-4, but a Guilford three put the Quakers up 7-6 and they were never headed after that.  GC improves to 8-5, 5-3 and Randolph falls to 2-11, 1-8.
Anybody know what happened? Injuries? Illness? Girls who quit? Roster on the website has more girls than that...
I don't know, but there were only seven in uniform for the game.  In fact, here's the box:

http://www.guilford.edu/sports/Wbasketball/2009-10/HTML/gcw-13.htm
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 15, 2010, 09:08:21 AM
Big weekend for Washington and Lee, Roanoke and Bridgewater.  Predictions?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 15, 2010, 01:35:34 PM
W&L did go to Salem on senior night last year and thumped a maroon team that was on a big win streak.  The Generals have played a really hard out of conference schedule so they won't be intimidated.  We need a big break through win and the maroons are primed to be just that.  The Generals have come together well so I stand on record as predicting a Generals win.  Look for Ingram and Bolton to have big games.  Has anyone checked out how many double-doubles that Bolton has posted this year?  If not for Molly Arial, she would have to be considered as a top league mvp candidate.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 16, 2010, 10:21:14 AM
Roanoke's defense shuts down Washington and Lee for a BIG win.  Congratulations Becca Bolton on all those double-doubles.  I'm going out on a limb and going with Bridgewater today.  They seem to have it coming together.  The Generals will be a much more formidable opponent than Hollins, however.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 16, 2010, 05:37:01 PM
Caylyxx. Let's revisit that:  W&L 67 over BC -58. BC never leads since the beginning of the game.

Bolton (20 PTs & 18 RBs, 5 assists)  & Herman (19 PTs & 12 RB,) they both had double doubles. Meg Ingram got her 13 and will come into her last year's numbers very soon. Pfannenstein also did a great job & is starting to come into her own: Great shot blocker, rebounder and 3 point shooter. IMO, the key for the season to come may be Herman & her fouls. When she controls them, like in this game, she is an incredible force underneath and is capable of dominating inside & so can perfectly balance the offense.  

Bammer, As far as MVP for the year...well, Molly will deserve every bit of the props she will get in post season. She is a truly an outstanding forward.

Still - IMO, Bolton has more than proved her incredible athleticism and thus far she is really hard to defend. 18 RBs is amazing. Becca may be the MVP for W&L this season – wouldn't surprise me - so her props will come in the ODAC also.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 16, 2010, 06:42:04 PM
I would say it was a great game - but Washington and Lee was only able to win because they were beasts in the rebounding category.  Otherwise, those 29 turnovers could have sealed their fate.  Obviously, Bridgewater wasn't ready to step up and control the boards.   On a side note - what's up with the other post for W & L? 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 16, 2010, 06:45:59 PM
Also, on the Roanoke / EMU game - what happened with Nicci Moats and Danielle Scott?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 17, 2010, 01:11:32 PM
Starting the game with three straight turnovers was bad enough for the women, but the biggest hit was losing All-ODAC Second Teamer Danielle Scott (Summit, NJ/Summit) to an injury on EMU's first possession.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 17, 2010, 01:36:07 PM
Nicki wasn't listed on the game, but I do know she was rounding into playing shape, and had a really good game against Randolph Macon loss last week and she had good numbers the next night against vw.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: egghead on January 17, 2010, 02:28:27 PM
Hasanova-You questioned why Randolph only dressed out 7 in the Guilford game. They have 9 on the roster, but the freshman point guard who was looking great in pre-season is out with an ACL tear. The point guard from last year had an ACL tear in each leg and decided not to play in order to avoid further injury. The leading rebounder in the conference from last year is no longer in school, and their starting center from last season now plays for Va. Wesleyan. On top of that, one of the seniors did not make the trip due to the flu, and one of their top 3-point shooters had a really jammed thumb that game. It has been a case of Murphy's Law for about the last 9 months. They really stood to have a very solid team this season before all of this stuff started happening.   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 18, 2010, 08:41:33 AM
Way to go on Saturday at E & H, Jackets!!  Molly Arial's 30 pts and 18 rebounds was described in the Richmond paper as a "monstrous double double"! 

We watched it through live scores and E & H kept getting close, but with Molly playing like that and their huge number of turnovers (we think Molly also had 5 steals) they just couldn't close the gap, even when it got to 2-4 points a couple of times.

Congrats to all the winners this weekend, and GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 18, 2010, 12:12:32 PM
E & H gave it a valiant effort!  Down 16 with about 3 mins to go in the first half they played hard and cut lead to 9 and tho out the entire 2nd half made RM keep front line players in.  The hard floor and extra minutes took their toll on the legs and shins, many ofl the RM players came out with ice for the long ride home.

E & H actually won the 2nd half  46-44; RM answered every challenge but hats off the the E&H ladies for playing so hard!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 18, 2010, 04:02:31 PM
Congratulations to Becca Bolton, ODAC player of the week.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 19, 2010, 09:49:02 PM
Guilford over visiting E&H tonight, 58-53.  It was a low-scoring, sloppy first half that ended in a 19-19 tie after GC put up the last 7 points before the break.  Extending the run into the second half, the Quakers built an 8-10 point lead and maintained this margin for most of the last 20 minutes.  A buzzer-beating three by the Wasps cut the final margin to five.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 19, 2010, 10:21:28 PM
RMC avenges it's earlier loss to Lynchburg. They came out determined and never let up.  Final score  95-67.   Molly was one rebound shy of another double double in 23 min of play. 21 pts, 9 rebounds.

Maggie Roy with 12 pts and Taylor Wieczorek off the bench with 18 pts.

I tell you what though, Lynchburg is a darn quick and scrappy team.  Booker made so many weaving driving layups through RMCs defense it was amazing.  I can see why they have (RMC's only ODAC loss so far) and could still be the spoiler for the conference leaders this year.  
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 20, 2010, 09:48:24 AM
Final score  95-67. ;D

If a team almost puts a century mark on me, I don't talk about scrappy and quick but how can I teach them  to move their feet.   ::)

You play offense with your hands and your mind, defense with your feet and your heart.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 20, 2010, 11:59:42 AM
The real story of the RMC-LC game is the shooting percentages. Stats were pretty close in all other areas: FTs, rebounds, steals, etc., even shots taken: 63 for RMC, 61 for LC. But RMC hit 54% from the field, and 46.7% from the arc, while LC hit 32.8% from the field, with only 21.4% from 3-pt range. That's a very big spread.
wmjofva makes a good point about defense, but while LC (once again) had way too many breakdowns on defense, it certainly wasn't a defensive collapse that resulted in the 95 points. RMC came out fired up, looking for revenge, got hot early and never let up.
I agree with hoopstermom that LC's Booker had a great game, and I also think the LC girls can keep their heads up. Despite the lopsided score, they showed no signs of quitting - the were simply overmatched last night.
Last weekend, LC definitively proved where the bottom of the ODAC is, with a 25 point win over Randolph and a 30 point win over Hollins. They simply overmatched those teams.
Last night RMC definitively proved where the top of the ODAC is - they and Roanoke have separated themselves from the pack. They have more talent, depth and experience than the rest of the league.
The real battle is for the 3rd through 8th seedings for the tournament. I think LC will be in that mix for sure, and may yet prove they are better than their record!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: egghead on January 20, 2010, 05:46:05 PM
Does anyone know the extent of the injury to EMU's Danielle Scott? She posts up really well in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 21, 2010, 02:26:03 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 21, 2010, 12:16:36 PM
It's too bad the ODAC doesn't acknowledge defense.  That is very important in basketball.  Sometimes a team shoots badly because the other team is playing defense.  The is no award for a defensive player in the ODAC.  Susie 3-ball gets all the media.  Shooting gets newpaper clippings and awards.  Rebounding and defense wins championships!
AMEN!!! I think this is a flaw in the way the game is taught starting in house leagues. Too many coaches get dazzled when they see a girl with the ability to go on a shooting spree.  Matador defense? Not willing to set a pick? Won't take a charge? Don't like to pass? Won't dive on a loose ball? Won't work for a rebound? Won't box out? Basketball IQ limited to "Give me the ball"? No problem! That 3 pointer can cover a lot of sins! You get to be the star! ;-)
Virtually every college team I have seen has players who averaged double-figure scoring in  high school and made All-something because of it but don't amount to much in their college careers. Shooting above all else is great if you want to score 65 points a game. Not so great if you have to give up 70 while doing it... Give me a well-balanced, fundamentally sound, defense-minded, willing-to-work player any day!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 22, 2010, 11:27:40 AM
Hear, hear!  Alas, SOME coaches just can't get past the darling who shoots no matter what.  Most good basketball players can score a lot of points if they shoot all the time.  But a lot of "stars" are too lazy to play defense.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 22, 2010, 12:48:12 PM
After looking at the team defensive stats, I was surprised to see RMC ranked so far down in team defense.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on January 23, 2010, 06:17:24 PM
Lynchburg lost another close game to EMU tonight, is EMU the better team? Player wise probably not, but they were outcoached in the second half, regardless they were without Danielle Moorad because of disciplinary reasons, but lynchburg had alot of momentum late in the second half and their coach called a time out, and then EMU has time to compose itself and finish out the game, I hate to say this, but i believe with all the talent lynchburg has there is no reason they should be playing as badly as they are. If they were physically outmatched that'd be one thing, but they are sloppy and commit to many turnovers, and that lands on the back of the coaching staff. Congrats girls on a hard fought game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 25, 2010, 09:32:33 AM
EMU hasn't had Danielle Scott, their very fine post player, since she twisted her knee 30 seconds into the Roanoke game.    Watching them beat Randolph Friday night, it didn't appear she would be playing for a while, as she didn't put any weight on the injured leg as she sat on the bench in street cloths.

Too bad.  She is fun to watch.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 25, 2010, 10:51:54 AM
Lynchburg has multiple woes. One of them is a consistently slow start. Against EMU, they were down 7-0 before beginning a rally with subs in the game. They then went on a tear to build a lead of as much as 15 before EMU cut the lead to 5 at the half. At the start of the second half, another slow start, with EMU going on a 9-2 run to take the lead. The LC women made a great effort to fight back and almost win the game, but it would have been better to have held the first half lead... Needless to say, playing more consistently, especially on defense, would go a long way towards getting them where they need to be.
EMU has a lot of talent, much of it young. They are still one of the better teams in the ODAC in terms of consistent talent levels, in my opinion. LC is still rebuilding. They have some very talented and experienced players, some talented but inexperienced players, and some players who may never develop into consistent contributors. Their focus right now needs to be on playing themselves into the tournament one game at a time.   
One startling statistic from that game: LC was 1-1 from the free throw line in the second half. EMU was 10-12. So much for home court advantage!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 25, 2010, 11:02:11 AM
Quote from: Bammer on January 22, 2010, 12:48:12 PM
After looking at the team defensive stats, I was surprised to see RMC ranked so far down in team defense.

I am interested what stats you are checking to get team defense rank?  We were talking about defense this past week, I'll respond and use RMC as an example.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 25, 2010, 11:22:56 AM
The team defense was average for points allowed per game.  Also, I don't think the talent level is that great at Lynchburg.  They are a scrappy team but don't have the height or bulk needed.  You can pound them inside.  Coaching will not cover up physical mismatches. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 26, 2010, 02:34:35 PM
Quote from: Bammer on Yesterday at 11:22:56 am
The team defense was average for points allowed per game.  Also, I don't think the talent level is that great at Lynchburg.  They are a scrappy team but don't have the height or bulk needed.  You can pound them inside.  Coaching will not cover up physical mismatches. 

Also one might look at 'blocks', steals etc.  It would be very had to pick a 'defensive player' of the year because no one (coaches included) talks about defense, tho if the ODAC had that, it might cause discussion.  Let's face it...we say "let's go out and shoot some hoops?"..we don't say " let go out and do some defensive slides" 

RMC...2007-2008  Marta Merkel   5'9" guard/forward.  She ,for a number of years on the very good RMC teams ,was a "glove"..put her on quick guard/small forward and that player for that game was shut down...no driving to the basket for layups. 

Your good scorer gets 20 points the night before they played RMC, but that night she went 1-6 or seemed to have a 'BAD NIGHT"...that's because Marta was almost inside her jersey the whole night.  Also the player may get their points but it was after the game was decided and against the replacements.

Marta injured her acl before the 2007-2009 (her senior) year, she forgo the operation till after the season and just wrapped her knee and played and still was one of the best defender in the ODAC.  RMC has been lucky to keep their players in the program, so you have always have 4 yr/5yr players to go with the Jr's and Sophs, as well as their super freshmen.  That gives you the experience and bulk you need...the physical difference between a  freeshman  is normally about 20-30 pounds by the time she is a senior.

Programs that either cut or lose their Sr and Jrs normally pay for it two or three years down the road.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 26, 2010, 08:53:55 PM
Bridgewater runs away from Virginia Wesylan 75-42.

Roanoke over Emory and Henry 73- 57

RMC blows a 15 point half time lead and 24 point lead in the 2nd half but holds on for the win 64-61 over EMU.

      Molly had another double double with 20 points and 14 rebounds, but fouls out with 2:00 min to go.

      Macon has 18 turnovers to EMU's 9, but wins the boards battle 44-35
 
      What the heck happened in the 2nd half???

Lots of games left to decide the middle of the pack and big games this Saturday coming up when RMC hosts Bridgewater and EMU hosts VWC.  Roanoke faces Randolph and Hollins before meeting Lynchburg at Lynchburg on 2/2.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 29, 2010, 11:16:33 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 26, 2010, 08:53:55 PM
Bridgewater runs away from Virginia Wesylan 75-42.

RMC blows a 15 point half time lead and 24 point lead in the 2nd half but holds on for the win 64-61 over EMU.

      Molly had another double double with 20 points and 14 rebounds, but fouls out with 2:00 min to go.

      Macon has 18 turnovers to EMU's 9, but wins the boards battle 44-35
 
      What the heck happened in the 2nd half???




10 players played double mins, 8 played 20, we are learning as we go.
Checking the other games...Roanoke, E & H, Va W/Bw...most that played 20 are 6 and two teams had two players pay 30+

Sara Lamneck, the 6' freshmen for EMU, is a very nice player.  She will be in the running for freshmen of the year.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 30, 2010, 07:48:36 AM
Just one comment: Becca Bolton is the real deal; one amazing player.

;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 31, 2010, 04:22:16 PM


Bridgewater up by 17 at the half over RMC

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 31, 2010, 04:48:10 PM
BC 68 RMC 57 final
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 01, 2010, 08:55:50 AM
I thought this was going to happen with the Bridgewater / W & L game.  Bridgewater always pulls it together after the first of the year.  Coach Willi makes her players produce!  Congratulations Eagles.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 01, 2010, 09:32:07 AM
With 8:25 to play Burkholder hit a two point jumper to put the Eagles up 51-48.
Roy struck again on the next possession with a three to tie the game before Arial sunk a layup with 5:52 to play, giving Randolph-Macon their first lead of the ballgame 53-51.
Bridgewater then used a 7-0 run to regain the lead and pull away for the 68-57 win. This was the Yellow Jackets first home loss in nearly a year and just their third home loss in three seasons.


Coming back from 17 points down was great but a lot of energy was used.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 01, 2010, 11:48:02 AM
Wow, knowing how tough it is to win at RMC, that is a great win for Bridgewater! It looks like RMC's big guns did their usual offensive work (20 pts for Roy, 19 points, 14 rebs for Arial) but no one could stop Ms. Burkholder (28 points)! Congratulations to the Eagles!
I think the Eagles have shown the one weakness RMC has - team defense. A quick look at the ODAC stats and some comparisons between RMC and Roanoke show some interesting facts:
RMC is #1 in scoring, FG percentage, 3-pt percentage, and offensive rebounding. However, RMC is #6 in FG percentage defense and #7 in scoring defense.
Roanoke is #1 in scoring defense, FG percentage defense, and defensive rebounding. They are #3 in scoring.
In RMC's 13 conference games, they have allowed their opponents to score  more than their season average 6 times. In their 14 conference games, Roanoke has not allowed a single opponent to reach their season scoring average.
It's starting to look like a good test of the "scoring wins games but defense wins championships" theory! As a proponent of that philosophy, guess who I pick to go all the way?  ;-)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 01, 2010, 02:05:05 PM
Roanoke on paper is 15 points better than anyone.  They have three 6+ front line players, two guards from Div I programs and trasfer from Lynchburg who may have been their leading scorer. I looked at their games last week and if I am correct only in one loss did they fail to hold teams down.

Couple years ago RM went to the three point offense and if they don't turn the ball over, shoot 40% it's 'shock and awe',  if as in both Bridgewater games they don't get shot due to turnovers on the wings and don't shoot well...they get 15-17 points down and have to 'defense their way back' (this week it was full court pressure in 2nd half) and hit the threes until they got lead, then they went back to regular defense, had trouble with help on Jordan.  J Burkholder was awesome!  Some of the RM fans even had to cheer a couple of her post moves.

VA W has two post players who play great team defense with switching.  When #5 (post position) would be over played and she went across the lane to set pick for #4 (power forward) they would just 'switch' and keep positon that keeps the ball from going in to Molly A.

If team has guard that shoots 3 well and drives with both hands, it will be hard for guard to cover deep and drive, when the guard starts to beat them, if they have 'help', inside player steps up to plug the drive hole and 3rd player drops down from the 'weak side' to cover player they left to you reduce the scoring of a strong guard like Burkholder or the guard for Va W.

You can only give up the 2 foot layup to run down and take a 23 foot 3-pter if you are shooting 40% and getting shots on every possession.

I'm old school , I'd rather win 55 to 40...with team walking out knowing they can never make up the 15 points than win 97-91.  In back to back games (tournament),strange gym, must win circumstances sometimes the ball just doesn't go in, good solid defense will never leave you.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 01, 2010, 04:01:51 PM
If Roanoke is 15 better on paper, then not everyone is reading the paper.  W&L lost at RC by 3.  RC will lose again.  Defense is important but team chemistry is important also.  I am not convinced that this team will jell.  It is not time to crown the Maroons league champs just yet.  If RMC beats them and they both win out, RMC should be seeded higher.  Also, don't be surprised with some more upsets.  Bridgewater needs aggressive defense to make its offense work.  Just slow them down and don't turn it over and they will come up short on points.  If W&L finishes well and were to beat RMC, Bolton should be league MVP.  If RMC wins the regular season then Arial should be MVP.  It should be an interesting February.  Huge game for the Generals tomorrow at VWC.  VWC beat the Generals at the buzzer in the first game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 01, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
Quote from: Bammer on February 01, 2010, 04:01:51 PM
... It is not time to crown the Maroons league champs just yet.  ...
Agreed! That's what makes it fun - ya gotta play the games! Roanoke certainly isn't unbeatable, and game time emotion counts for a lot in this conference - who's flat, who's ready to play, etc., so upsets can certainly still happen! (Isn't that what tournaments are for?  ;))
Having said that, Roanoke is still loaded and has a better track record of playing consistently dominant defense, so it's hard to argue that they shouldn't be the favorite. And if they can play this well without having jelled yet, then look out for the rest of us if they ever do!  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 01, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 01, 2010, 02:05:05 PM
...I'm old school , I'd rather win 55 to 40...with team walking out knowing they can never make up the 15 points than win 97-91. 
I'll go out on a limb and bet you are not an NBA fan...LOL  (Hint: That's why I'm not!)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 02, 2010, 09:00:39 AM
Roanoke does look good on paper - and they have excellent coaching.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 02, 2010, 10:31:11 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 02, 2010, 09:00:39 AM
Roanoke does look good on paper - and they have excellent coaching.



How do you edit on here?  That is the one thing I wanted to add.  Excellent coaching, firm but positive.  May be just the right person with all the transfers who have gone thru trauma.  205.166.218.69 

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 02, 2010, 10:39:04 AM
Log in and to the right of your post will be a place to modify your remarks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 02, 2010, 11:29:22 AM
 "Excellent coaching, firm but positive.  May be just the right person with all the transfers who have gone thru trauma."

wmjofva:
I absolutely agree about the coaching, but what trauma was there with the transfers? I guess the process of transferring and starting over again is stressful, but am I missing something else?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 02, 2010, 01:24:09 PM
No, just the trasfer and adjustments.  Sometimes things don't work out, not the players fault. .  Rebeca Bays at Roanoke is example.  Last year, as her first year from a Div I program, she played as tho she was trying not to offend or take time from anyone.  This year she is playing with the confidence and skill we knew she had.

This reflects well on the firm, experienced coach who is playing 8/9 each game, so by tournament time, everyone will know their roles and have good game experience.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 02, 2010, 04:28:26 PM
Any predictions on Bridgewater and EMU?  I am going with the hot team and picking Bridgewater.  Also picking W&L to steal one at VWC tonight.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 03, 2010, 08:49:43 AM
BIG win for Virginia Wesleyan.   When the game is on the line, coaching and turnovers play a critical role in the outcome.  Tough loss.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 03, 2010, 09:38:01 AM
Newly registered but not new to the board.

Passed on driving to Norfolk last night in the weather and went to Ashland instead.  Big props to the Randolph College team for playing with tremendous heart and intensity for 40 minutes against RMC.   This one was over before it started, but the 'Cats still worked hard.

Wish I had made the drive to Norfolk to see the Generals.  That's a tough loss.

RVAHokie
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 03, 2010, 12:50:22 PM
Well, those un-jelled and traumatized transfers at Roanoke put the wood to Lynchburg last night! The game started out well for the Hornets, who traded leads with the Maroon for a while, leading 12-9 at one point. Roanoke methodically came back, dominating the paint and forcing turnovers to build a 6 point halftime lead.
Apparently they were reminded about playing defense in the halftime locker room, because they came out and held LC without a field goal for the first 10 minutes of the second half...built the lead up to as much as 35, and ended up winning 74-48.
With LC's best rebounder suffering the lingering effects of a respiratory illness, Roanoke's bigs had a big night, and that tough defense led to 25 points on 21 forced turnovers. For the first time this season, the scrappy Hornets seemed to lose some of their fire. They didn't quit, but they looked pretty discouraged toward the end. It was tough to watch for LC fans...
Roanoke is still the team to beat in the ODAC.


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 03, 2010, 01:43:15 PM
Assuming weather doesn't necessitate a postponement, Friday night's game in Roanoke will have a big impact on the number one seed.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on February 03, 2010, 02:48:32 PM
Roanoke is very well coached, and their coaches know exactly when to rest someone rather than leave them in until they are mentally and physically exhausted. They seemed to play a pretty deep bench, lynchburg played 8 players, until about 5 minutes left in the game, and even then they didnt empty their bench till about a minute 30 left. With about 15 minutes left, and lynchburg down by about 12 or 15 points you could see that "holy crap" look in their players faces, if it was that clear to the people in the crowd, why not change out 2 of the 5 players and get fresh legs in the game? LC played a great first half, and to say Roanoke "woke up" at the half isnt exactly accurate, i think it was more of LC getting warn down. When you have the size roanoke does inside, you should be able t run that inside out offense easily. and thats pretty much what they did.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 03, 2010, 03:08:44 PM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 03, 2010, 01:43:15 PM
Assuming weather doesn't necessitate a postponement, Friday night's game in Roanoke will have a big impact on the number one seed.

Game moved to Thursday at 6:30 pm at Roanoke College.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 03, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
Thanks, I have a feeling many Friday and Saturday games will be impacted.

hope everyone travels safely!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 03, 2010, 11:18:13 PM
FYI  Guilford's SID Dave Walters just announced that Bridgewater at Guilford WBB has been changed from Friday night, Feb. 5 to Thursday night, Feb. 4 at 7 pm due to impending inclement weather in the Greensboro, NC area.

Also, Saturday afternoon's scheduled Guilford WBB game with EMU has been postponed - TBD.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 04, 2010, 05:30:01 PM
I think all the games were rescheduled to tonight. In addition to the BC/GC game change:

RMC at Roanoke to start at 6:30
EMU and E&H 7:00
W&L at Randolph 7:00
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 04, 2010, 08:46:51 PM
Guilford 64,BC 61 Final

Booker misses a 3 with 3 seconds left that would have tied it.
Congrats to the Quakers.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 04, 2010, 10:33:22 PM
Anyone see the Roanoke - RMC game that can tell the tale of two halves?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 05, 2010, 08:40:39 AM
Well of course now Bridgewater goes and makes me eat my words!  And what was up with that W & L / Randolph game? W & L certainly got lucky!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 05, 2010, 09:27:21 AM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on February 04, 2010, 08:46:51 PM
Guilford 64,BC 61 Final

Booker misses a 3 with 3 seconds left that would have tied it.
Congrats to the Quakers.
Thanks, Jeremybozz.  It was a game of runs.  GC was up 52-49, then BC went on a 10-0 run to take a 59-52 lead with about 2 minutes to go.  From that point, it was 12-2 Quakers for the win, but BC did have the last shot for a tie. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 05, 2010, 11:23:02 AM
Real props go out to the Wildcats for a scrappy, feisty game with a lot of heart. They sure put together an impressive offensive effort.  With only a 3 person RC bench, this was a game with 40 exciting minutes of play made up from mostly the RC starters.

Not sure what the issue was, but no one can afford to be complaisant in February. The Generals definitely 'escaped' with the win this time.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 05, 2010, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on February 05, 2010, 11:23:02 AM
Real props go out to the Wildcats for a scrappy, feisty game with a lot of heart. They sure put together an impressive offensive effort.  With only a 3 person RC bench, this was a game with 40 exciting minutes of play made up from mostly the RC starters.

Not sure what the issue was, but no one can afford to be complaisant in February. The Generals definitely 'escaped' with the win this time.

Or, perhaps, even complacent.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 05, 2010, 03:55:52 PM
Thanks for the catch, hasanova.

– hmmm... how about 'overconfident', then? (Even I can spell that one!)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 05, 2010, 07:26:05 PM
Hmmm - let's see...checking dictionary.com...:
"Complaisant -adjective
inclined or disposed to please; obliging; agreeable or gracious; compliant"

The original statement works for me as well!
Sounds like W&L may have been complacent, but Randolph certainly wasn't complaisant!!  :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2010, 02:09:28 AM
Quote from: Brookland on February 05, 2010, 07:26:05 PM
Hmmm - let's see...checking dictionary.com...:
"Complaisant -adjective
inclined or disposed to please; obliging; agreeable or gracious; compliant"

The original statement works for me as well!
Sounds like W&L may have been complacent, but Randolph certainly wasn't complaisant!!  :D
Yeah, I knew both would work as well .... so that's why I said "or, perhaps, even complacent", but I agree with the W&L being "complacent" and Randolph "not" being "complaisant" comment.  Scrabble anyone?  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2010, 02:12:45 AM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on February 05, 2010, 03:55:52 PM
Thanks for the catch, hasanova.

– hmmm... how about 'overconfident', then? (Even I can spell that one!)

I'm confident it'll work and that you can spell it!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 06, 2010, 09:12:44 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 06, 2010, 02:09:28 AM

The original statement works for me as well!
Sounds like W&L may have been complacent, but Randolph certainly wasn't complaisant!!  :D
" Yeah, I knew both would work as well .... so that's why I said "or, perhaps, even complacent", but I agree with the W&L being "complacent" and Randolph "not" being "complaisant" comment.  Scrabble anyone?  :)"
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WOW. Thanks for the grammar & syntax input, everyone!!!

Just goes to show you that maybe we should be complaisant in playing scrabble here online, because I am complacent that there sure won't be ANY games today to discuss!

*SIGH*

::)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2010, 11:27:16 AM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on February 06, 2010, 09:12:44 AM
WOW. Thanks for the grammar & syntax input, everyone!!!

Just goes to show you that maybe we should be complaisant in playing scrabble here online, because I am complacent that there sure won't be ANY games today to discuss!

*SIGH*

::)
Yeah, I know.  I was supposed to be at the EMU at Guilford game today and it's now rescheduled for 2 pm on Feb. 14 - and I have a conflict - so I'll have to miss it!  Quaker men were supposed to be at W&L and it's been moved as well - this time to Feb. 16.  :(  On the bright side, it is a good day for Scrabble!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 06, 2010, 10:52:25 PM
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     A               U
     Y               N
WASHINGTONANDLEE
                      A
                      Y

Hey, still one game left this weekend! Lynchburg at W&L postponed from Friday night to Sunday at 2. And you're right! This Scrabble does pass the time... :)





           
                 
                           
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 07, 2010, 09:58:24 AM
Quote from: Brookland on February 06, 2010, 10:52:25 PM
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     LYNCHBURG  S
     A               U
     Y               N
WASHINGTONANDLEE
                      A
                      Y

Hey, still one game left this weekend! Lynchburg at W&L postponed from Friday night to Sunday at 2. And you're right! This Scrabble does pass the time... :)
               
                           

Brookland... that was CLASSIC.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 07, 2010, 01:22:18 PM
 
Quote from: dukeofargyle on February 07, 2010, 09:58:24 AM
Quote from: Brookland on February 06, 2010, 10:52:25 PM
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    A               U
    Y               N
WASHINGTONANDLEE
                     A
                     Y

Hey, still one game left this weekend! Lynchburg at W&L postponed from Friday night to Sunday at 2. And you're right! This Scrabble does pass the time... :)
               
                           

Brookland... that was CLASSIC.


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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 08, 2010, 09:50:01 AM
Nice to see W&L in third place even if it is by half a game.  Tough schedule ahead but most of it is at home.  Good win yesterday against a hot shooting Lynchburg team.  I thought that they went fairly deep into their bench and were a scrappy team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 08, 2010, 01:18:08 PM
As Lynchburg is a 9th placed team - it wasn't really a statement win.  But the Hornets do have that RMC feather in their cap from December.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 08, 2010, 02:32:00 PM
Definitely not a signature win, but Lynchburg was hot from behind the arc in the second half.  W&L played well down the stretch without Herman (foul trouble).  Free-throw shooting was definitely an issue for the Gennies until the final few minutes.

The two last second losses to VWC will probably end up making a big difference to W&L in final standings.  Of the top 7 teams today, Other than Roanoke and Bridgewater, the others still have at least 4 games against each other.  The final standings at least from 2 thorugh 7 could be a moving target for the last two weeks.  Let the Games Begin!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 08, 2010, 03:03:54 PM
Not a statement win but a good win.  A statement win is the one last year when the Generals beat the RMC team with Arial, Hiltunen and Riesbeck, practically the ODAC all star team.  You win the ones that you should win and get some of the ones that people don't think you can win.  As you point out with the RMC and Lynchburg game, it is not always easy to get a team up for a team that they think they should beat.  Look at Brdigewater after their big win when they went to Guilford.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 08, 2010, 05:49:00 PM
I am new to the ODAC but I started thinking about the last few weeks of the season and wondered if there was a way to "rank" the remaining schedules.  This is far from scientific but see what you think.  There are 12 games left between the top 7 teams.

Take the top 7 in the Conference and chart their remaining conference games.  For each game I assigned points to each team based on their opponent.  For example, if Roanoke was playing W&L, Roanoke got 3 points for that game and W&L got 1 point.  If you are playing a team outside the top 7, you get 10 points for that game.  I took the total for each team and divided it by the number of games left to get an average "strength of opponent".  And the results are (remember lower number means tougher home stretch of games)-

W&L - 4.6
EMU - 4.67
Roanoke - 5.5
Guilford - 6.2
Va Wesleyan - 6.33
RMC - 6.8
Bridgewater - 7.6

What does all this mean - probably not a bunch. But  Roanoke has a two game edge on RMC, which has a 2 game edge on 3 teams.  If the 3 through 7 teams beat up on each other, the seeding for the tournament should get interesting.  Bridgewater has 3 games against teams not in the top 7, so that could defnitely help them make up the one game deficit to the group ahead of them.  W&L has to play #1 and #2, they have to find a way to beat one of them to have a chance for a seeding in the top half.

Given these numbers I would suspect that it will finish-
Roanoke
RMC
VWC
Bridgewater

We'll see......
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 09, 2010, 08:11:03 AM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 08, 2010, 02:32:00 PM
Definitely not a signature win, but Lynchburg was hot from behind the arc in the second half.  W&L played well down the stretch without Herman (foul trouble).  Free-throw shooting was definitely an issue for the Gennies until the final few minutes.

The two last second losses to VWC will probably end up making a big difference to W&L in final standings.  Of the top 7 teams today, Other than Roanoke and Bridgewater, the others still have at least 4 games against each other.  The final standings at least from 2 thorugh 7 could be a moving target for the last two weeks.  Let the Games Begin!

Hokie, Actually, W&L had 3 buzzer beating losses- two to VWC and one to Guilford at their house in December. Also interesting to note that the Gennies lost to Roanoke in Salem by only 3 in the first round.

I agree that strength of schedule can be a randomly accurate mathematical way of determining eventual outcome – and it can be an enjoyable pastime at this point in season.  If you have 2 games left and one is against Roanoke and the other is against RMC it will be a harder road than if you have 2 left against Randolph and let's say, Guilford. Still, IMO, it means more in the beginning of the season than at the end. The beauty of this particular season in the ODAC is that there is so much more parity in the middle rankings than in previous years. 

Most teams at the end of season have a lot of factors you really can't add up, such as seeding, complacency (or overconfidence!), injuries, resting certain players, player or coach burn-out, home or away games, etc.  Also, the person who is determining the "strength of schedule" also inevitably has his or her bias in the mix. It really only works out if it's really unbalanced: like let's say W&L playing Connecticut and Tennessee, while RMC plays Hollins and then play the Little Sisters of the Poor. (Though I do hear that those nuns can be a tough draw at times).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 09, 2010, 08:25:41 AM
You're spot on that the "intangibles" are more important in Febuary than in December.  The other thing that is playing a role and can't be measured is the reschedules and postponements.

The other large impact is the standings and the point in time they are taken for the formula.  W&L is currently third but by 1/2 game.  By the end of the evening tonight, they could be tied for 5th which would change the results of my model.  It will be interesting to track actual results against the model for the remainder of the regular season and see what happens.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 09, 2010, 09:01:16 AM
Good match-ups tonight.  Any predictions

EMU - RMC  picking RMC
Bridgewater - VWC  going with the home team VWC
Guilford - Lynchburg once again the home team Lynchburg
E&H - W&L size advantage going with W&L
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 09, 2010, 01:04:59 PM
Definitely RMC at home (tip has been moved to 5PM for weather), Bridgewater, Guilford and W&L.

Bridgewater - VWC - BW beat VWC by 33 about 3 weeks ago - there must be a story behind that score, can it happen again?  Weather may impact this one...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 09, 2010, 08:49:43 PM
Results:
   RMC over EMU   61-52
   GC over LC  69-47
   W&L over EMU 88-53

   BC and VWC going to OT!!  57-57
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 09, 2010, 09:14:15 PM
Final on that game: BC - 75 to VWC - 61. 

Had to be a hard loss for VWC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 09, 2010, 10:03:58 PM
Watching the live stats on the VWC-Bridgewater game, I became very confused.  Up by 4 with just over 1 minute left, VWC kept fouling.  Was anyone there that can explain what was going on the final 2 minutes or so?  It became a foul shot contest and BC took advantage and took it to overtime.

Went to the RMC game, if Molly hadn't been plagued by foul trouble, this game would not have been close.  O'Briant's right shoulder had a healthy dose of k-tape on it and she was noticeably favoring it but she played tough in pain.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 10, 2010, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 09, 2010, 10:03:58 PM
Watching the live stats on the VWC-Bridgewater game, I became very confused.  Up by 4 with just over 1 minute left, VWC kept fouling.  Was anyone there that can explain what was going on the final 2 minutes or so?  It became a foul shot contest and BC took advantage and took it to overtime.

Went to the RMC game, if Molly hadn't been plagued by foul trouble, this game would not have been close.  O'Briant's right shoulder had a healthy dose of k-tape on it and she was noticeably favoring it but she played tough in pain.



50 ARIAIL, Molly....... *  9-15   0-0    3-4    3  3  6   3  21  1  0  1  2  24
15 O'BRIANT, Jennifer.. *  2-8    0-5    2-2    0  4  4   2   6  4  2  1  1  30

Hokie, Molly's stats for the EMU game seem right on track with her season averages; her 3 fouls were close to her season average of 2.5 per game, as well as in her minutes played.  Though maybe you saw more in watching the game than the stats can show. 

Still, O'Briant had to be the hero of this game if she played through 30 minutes plagued by an hurt shoulder.

Also, keep in mind that EMU's great post player Danielle Scott, is still riding the bench with an injury. No telling if she will be OK by playoff time. 

I also watched the live stats at the BC-VWC game and was confused at what the game plan would be if you were VWC's Stephany Dunmyer.

In any case, it should be a real exciting two weeks coming up, folks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 10, 2010, 08:19:54 AM
Duke,
You are right about Molly's stats for the game, but to be honest, she sat for long periods.  When she was on the floor, she scored everytime she touched the ball.  Obviously EMU had no answer defensively for her without their post player.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bigrips77 on February 10, 2010, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 09, 2010, 10:03:58 PM
Watching the live stats on the VWC-Bridgewater game, I became very confused.  Up by 4 with just over 1 minute left, VWC kept fouling.  Was anyone there that can explain what was going on the final 2 minutes or so?

The Marlins had played most of regulation from behind, and finally took the lead with two minutes to go in regulation.  I think the game plan was to still get after it defensively, even when it became a four point game.  It cost them a couple critical fouls that the Eagles turned into points, and then the wheels came off for VWC in OT.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on February 10, 2010, 10:08:47 AM
Anyone think VWU can upset EMU tomorrow?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 10, 2010, 10:45:06 AM
Didn't LC have several key players leave/transfer from last year?  I do think that a D3 coach has a challenging job due to recruiting issues.  You have to have the players to execute the best laid plans.  Tough 4 games ahead for the Generals.  Can they hang onto third place?  I believe that would be their best regular season finish ever.  Good job by Coach King and Abby Pyzik on handling and bringing along a young team.  Talk about a tough job, recruiting at W&L.  Such tough academic standards to get into the school and then the work load to stay there.  Last years team had one of the best team GPA in the country.  Great job Generals
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on February 10, 2010, 10:55:57 AM
yea 2 starters quit/ were dismissed depending on whos story you get, and another starter transfered to roanoke. and yea washington lee is a very good school, and their ability to field good teams despite their very high academic standards is quite amazing. And may i add they have a very nice campus compared to many schools in the area, or the country for that matter.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on February 10, 2010, 11:41:22 AM
my knowledge of these programs comes from talking to parents and other fans. regardless of what you say this is a forum, so for you to attack me for having an opinion is wrong honestly. but like me, your also welcome to your opinion.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 10, 2010, 11:42:36 AM
Bammer - I don't think W & L gets a recruiting pass just because they demand high SAT scores.  More and more females (and males ) are playing AAU and League Ball.  There is a ton of talent out there - plus the players have the added bonus of brains to go with the brawn.  You have to play to your strengths.  I agree, though, that playing a basketball season and maintaining good grades at a school like Washington and Lee would be a definite challenge for any athlete.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 10, 2010, 12:00:30 PM
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The Marlins had played most of regulation from behind, and finally took the lead with two minutes to go in regulation.  I think the game plan was to still get after it defensively, even when it became a four point game.  It cost them a couple critical fouls that the Eagles turned into points, and then the wheels came off for VWC in OT.
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Tough way to lose a game.  Come all the way back from 10 down with 10 to play, take a 4 or 6 point lead and then watch it slip away.  That would hurt, I can understand the momentum shift in overtime...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballmom4 on February 10, 2010, 12:59:34 PM
You are correct, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but lets not get hostile.  LC had some unforseen issues, as far as everyone is concerned.  However, unless you were in the room with the Coach/AD/Player when things happened, you shouldn't surmise what happened.  Four Starters left to begin with and forwhatever reasons.  No one will know exactly what happened unless you were in the room.  So lets leave issues alone and stick with basketball and what we are on this site for.  We are not here to trash coaches, players, programs, so lets leave it at that and just play basketball.  Just remember, Basketbal is suppose to be fun and when the fun and heart is no longer there, then you have to evaluate why you are there, and I think that is what happened. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 10, 2010, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 10, 2010, 11:42:36 AM
Bammer - I don't think W & L gets a recruiting pass just because they demand high SAT scores.  More and more females (and males ) are playing AAU and League Ball.  There is a ton of talent out there - plus the players have the added bonus of brains to go with the brawn.  You have to play to your strengths.  I agree, though, that playing a basketball season and maintaining good grades at a school like Washington and Lee would be a definite challenge for any athlete.
Not a pass just a tougher job than the rest of the league's coaches have to perform.  Lots of talented high schoolers and many current ODAC players could not get into W&L.  Also I do not recall 1 transfer suiting up for the Lady Generals ever.  The availability of transfers has certainly helped out the Maroons this year.  I am not complaining, just pointing out what an outstanding job that Coach King and Coach Pyzik have done and continue to do.  This team is in third by 1 1/2 games late in the season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on February 10, 2010, 03:46:49 PM
They deff did a great job at getting good athlete that know that school comes first, deffinately a very talented team, and your right most other players couldnt get into that school
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 10, 2010, 04:03:28 PM
Quote from: Bammer on February 10, 2010, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 10, 2010, 11:42:36 AM
Bammer - I don't think W & L gets a recruiting pass just because they demand high SAT scores.  More and more females (and males ) are playing AAU and League Ball.  There is a ton of talent out there - plus the players have the added bonus of brains to go with the brawn.  You have to play to your strengths.  I agree, though, that playing a basketball season and maintaining good grades at a school like Washington and Lee would be a definite challenge for any athlete.
Not a pass just a tougher job than the rest of the league's coaches have to perform.  Lots of talented high schoolers and many current ODAC players could not get into W&L.  Also I do not recall 1 transfer suiting up for the Lady Generals ever.  The availability of transfers has certainly helped out the Maroons this year.  I am not complaining, just pointing out what an outstanding job that Coach King and Coach Pyzik have done and continue to do.  This team is in third by 1 1/2 games late in the season.

Bammer, I am going to have to agree with you, despite caylxx's excellent point that so many more students are now playing extracurricular sports. Even so, numbers don't lie. From a strictly mathematical point of view, it's a widely known fact that those students who are presently applying to college in the USA are made up of roughly 60% women and 40% men.

For a college that admits, let's say, an 80% of its applicants (the average of the acceptance rates for 9 of the 11 ODAC colleges), the pool of possible talented athletes is pretty deep, and the recruiting coach can be relatively secure that his/her often highly decorated high school athletic prospect who is a good 3.0-3.5 GPA student will be accepted and come to play in his/her program.

On the other hand, if there is a college which admits only 20% of its applicants, (W&L's approximate acceptance rate) this issue is even more complicated by the fact that the top academic schools in the country can skim off the top academic women to achieve their 50% ratio of women to men.  Which they do.

Do the math. At W&L, which does have a student gender ratio of about 50%/50%, men would then be getting in at a rate of about 25% to the 16% of women who gain acceptance to make up that total average of 20%, because of the higher number of women that apply.  Which leaves the women's coach in schools such as these recruiting the necessarily smallest number of academically qualified athletes.  

The statement that the players "have the added bonus of brains to go with the brawn" is a good one, except that it begs the point of the original post: which is whether or not the W&L coaches have a harder time recruiting and placing 11 very athletically gifted young women on the floor to field every position in basketball or in any in other sport than do the other coaches in the ODAC.  

Further, I agree that Coaches King and Pyzik have done an exceptional job with this team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 10, 2010, 04:19:14 PM
New poster, long time reader. My user name exposes where my allegiance lies. Two opinions to get me started: First, if W&L can finish third in the league with the four matchups looming in front of them, mad props for a job well done. Lots of parity this year when seeds 3-8 are wide open with 10 days left in the season.
Second, with the admittedly limited information I possess, I believe a lot of Lynchburg's woes fall on the coaching. As stated here by others we don't know why so many former starters left the program, but everything else being equal it seems odd a program would lose so many at once. I think the ladies there are plenty talented, but having experienced their game at Bridgewater firsthand I can say that there were occasions coming out of timeouts that they reacted very negatively to the tougue-lashings rather than responding with any kind of creative energy.
With regards to the Eagles, they are playing some very good ball lately. Burkholder only had 4 minutes in the first half last night against VWC due to foul trouble, yet they lead at the half. Any kind of serious tournament run hinges on Barnett coming back from injury.
Lastly, I  know the snow is making everyone a little nuts but I implore everyone here to keep it civil and make it an enjoyable read.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 10, 2010, 04:45:54 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 10, 2010, 04:19:14 PM
New poster, long time reader. My user name exposes where my allegiance lies. Two opinions to get me started: First, if W&L can finish third in the league with the four matchups looming in front of them, mad props for a job well done. Lots of parity this year when seeds 3-8 are wide open with 10 days left in the season.

Good Point, BH20. I think W&L is fully capable of taking 2 out of those 4; - maybe more, but that is why we play the games. As I said, this is the strongest middle field I have seen yet in the ODAC. IMO, it would not be too rough to fall to #4 in the standings. I think that W&L matches up better with Roanoke.

As far as your last statement: "Lastly, I  know the snow is making everyone a little nuts but I implore everyone here to keep it civil and make it an enjoyable read."  I entirely agree!

I know the team dynamics are not the best at LC and I have to say that I regret that is the case. Even so, the forum is not the place for this level of hostility to another poster. Good sportsmanship begins at home. Play with class or don't play.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 10, 2010, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: bballfan20 on February 10, 2010, 10:55:57 AM
...and yea washington lee is a very good school, and their ability to field good teams despite their very high academic standards is quite amazing. And may i add they have a very nice campus compared to many schools in the area, or the country for that matter.

Thanks for the props, bballfan20.  I have to say that they are both good kids AND great students.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on February 10, 2010, 06:18:38 PM
no problem duke, ive been to 4 games there this year so far and the first time i didnt know where the gym was so i drove around campus for a while and i was very impressed.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 11, 2010, 08:12:59 AM
Tough weekend coming up for VWC.  Three games in 4 days coming off the loss in OT to Bridgewater.  EMU tonight, Lynchburg on Saturday and Roanoke on Sunday.  All 3 on the road on the other sides of the Commonwealth.  I am new to d3 and the ODAC - will VWC drive back and forth on I-64 three times or stay in either Lynchburg or Roanoke on Saturday evening?  By Monday we'll have a pretty good feel where VWC is going to end up most likely.

Looks like Bridgewater is sitting pretty for the third or fourth seed in the Tournament.  They have four conference games left with only one (W&L) against a team with a winning conference record.  So can the Eagles stay hungry and not get over-confident - finish winning 3 out of 4 or all 4 and finish in the top 3?

Saturdays contest in Lexington certainly could have an impact on the final standings.  A win by King and the Gennies would be a huge step toward securing 3rd place.  Don't think there are enough games left for W&L to catch RMC but then again, that's why they play the games.....

Let's hope weather does not create any more issues with the roundball season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 11, 2010, 08:17:44 AM
One question for the ODAC veterans - where do you get Basketball Tournament Tickets?  It doesn't look like the Salem Civic Center has them on sale yet.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 11, 2010, 10:47:18 AM
thor=BH2OFan link=topic=1077.msg1173687#msg1173687 date=1265836754]
I can say that there were occasions coming out of timeouts that they reacted very negatively to the tougue-lashings rather than responding with any kind of creative energy.
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I engage this only to help so another player isn't seriously injured.   Lynchburg has Channel 7 that does show on the local games and they provided disk of last year's 1/20/2009 game between Randolph Macon and Lynchburg College..Jet-Alive Sports shows the game in which a very strong RM team was beating Lynchburg...nothing the Lynchburg players go do with Reisbeck,Ariel team.  Lynchburg coach is in the face of all the players as they came off the floor, then she got T, it was a 'postal T not a smart T you sometimes ask for.

Fast forward to this years game with RM.. what happens a competitive player under this treatment can go over the line.  #23 being defended/ is 1-6 with 3 to, reacts and wildly throws her elbows and fractures the eye socket and beaks the nose of the RM player that was guarding her.

Postive correction will help players play better, tongue lashing will work for a while, but only for a season or two.  It isn't about x's and o's, how you attack a zone, but the approach you take.  If the coach , when she was a player was treated this way, she might think this is the way to go...not today.

In PRACTICE you correct, stomp your feet...whatever...GAME..play or sit.  Watch Roanoke coach or some of the other coachs with long time records..they are not embrassing the players verbally all the time during the games.

The approach should change so  1. no other players gets hurt  2. Lynchburg players can enjoy the game 3. Keep you job.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 11, 2010, 11:15:26 AM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 09, 2010, 10:03:58 PM
Watching the live stats on the VWC-Bridgewater game, I became very confused.  Up by 4 with just over 1 minute left, VWC kept fouling.  Was anyone there that can explain what was going on the final 2 minutes or so?  It became a foul shot contest and BC took advantage and took it to overtime.

Went to the RMC game, if Molly hadn't been plagued by foul trouble, this game would not have been close.  O'Briant's right shoulder had a healthy dose of k-tape on it and she was noticeably favoring it but she played tough in pain.



You saw a typical RM game of this year.  There is the 2 foul rule, if you get two fouls you sit the rest of the half, Molly was lucky that the 2nd foul came 2:18 of first half.  They play a lot of people regardless of the score.

EMU has done a wonderful job with loss of their center.  With 8 + to go they are ahead, then Coach Lehay got the T (for a number of games Molly A hasn't gotten the calls on the contact, no doubt due to her strength)  After the shots EMU at 8:15 is ahead 41-47; shortly after that, the defensive team was on the floor and with :41 sec left the score was 58-49 RM; they allowed 2 pts in last 8 mins..I love that!   I'd rather win by 4 with defense than lose by 1 with offense (Roanoke).

A coach can have a positive effect on the game and the way it is called.  At VaW normally the guards bump and run with their press until the visiting guards loses ball or thows it away, and at some point in the game they will come back from being down, as there will be a number of calls that take the offensive possession away from the visiting team.

I am sure there is no way Bridgwater's coach allowed that to happen, plus Jordan has made a living from 8th grade, thur AAu onward to getting the fouls at the end of games and converting.
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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 11, 2010, 11:48:50 AM
The T on Coach L was masterful.  It seemed to wake the other two refs up.  The female ref that night - one of my favorites - was noticeably quiet until the last 4 or 5 minutes of the game.  It was fun watching Coach L figure out how far she had to go to get the T.  She kept pushing and waiting, pushing and waiting, pushing and then hit the right button.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 11, 2010, 05:06:27 PM
Any comments on the Maroons being second in the south behind Christopher Newport?  A nonchallenging schedule often is exposed quickly in NCAA play if they advance.  RMC has played a much harder out of conference schedule as well as W&L. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 12, 2010, 08:21:45 AM
With so many different teams in D3, it's really hard to compare schedules between conferences.  There are so few intersections where teams from different conferences have common opponents, that ranking is really a crap shoot.  Throw in there the "intangibles" that face D3 players and coaches (academics for instance) and the rankings get a bit arbitrary in my opinion....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 12, 2010, 09:30:01 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 11, 2010, 05:06:27 PM
Any comments on the Maroons being second in the south behind Christopher Newport?  A nonchallenging schedule often is exposed quickly in NCAA play if they advance.  RMC has played a much harder out of conference schedule as well as W&L. 

Did RMC or W & L win their out of conference games?  Christopher Newport spanked everyone in ODAC they played.  RMC didn't come close in any of their games with teams that will be ranked at end of the year.  Christopher Newport, Mary Washington etc.  ODAC vs USA conference...USA had the edge by 8 to 4 the last time I ran a search, tho  I know a couple of games have been played since.  Great to see an ODAC team ranked.  They are 10-15 points better than any other team in ODAC, and very well suited to represent the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 12, 2010, 09:52:07 AM
W&L beat then 21st ranked Capital back in November and played MW and CNU early.  W&L has definitely improved as a couple of First Years have progressed nicely.  If a couple of shooting touches return, it could be an interesting trip to Salem at the end of the month.

I am not sure that Roanoke is 10 to 15 point better than any other team in the ODAC, lost at RMC and beat them by 2 in Roanoke.  Beat W&L by 3 at Roanoke.  W&L has to show something on Saturday and next Friday since both #1 and #2 travel to Lexington.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 12, 2010, 11:02:27 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 12, 2010, 09:30:01 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 11, 2010, 05:06:27 PM
Any comments on the Maroons being second in the south behind Christopher Newport?  A nonchallenging schedule often is exposed quickly in NCAA play if they advance.  RMC has played a much harder out of conference schedule as well as W&L. 

Did RMC or W & L win their out of conference games?  Christopher Newport spanked everyone in ODAC they played.  RMC didn't come close in any of their games with teams that will be ranked at end of the year.  Christopher Newport, Mary Washington etc.  ODAC vs USA conference...USA had the edge by 8 to 4 the last time I ran a search, tho  I know a couple of games have been played since.  Great to see an ODAC team ranked.  They are 10-15 points better than any other team in ODAC, and very well suited to represent the ODAC.

Wow, 10 to 15 better.  Somebody is drinking the Maroon colored kool aid.  Split with RMC and 3 pts over W&L, I must have missed something.  They have a good team, but tougher out of conference games would have shown more.  Do they get a bid if they don't win the ODAC tournament?  Is it better to pad a record or develop a team for the NCAA tournament?  The game next week at Lexington will be big for the Maroons.  A Roanoke loss would hurt a chance for an at large bid.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 12, 2010, 12:29:46 PM
Yea, nobody should argue that Roanoke isn't an excellent squad but 10-15 better than anyone is a stretch. The game at Bridgewater was a 2 point affair with under 2 minutes before fouls and free throws provided the final 9 point margin. But with three DI players they should be in first place....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 12, 2010, 01:04:33 PM
This will be a great week to be a Washington & Lee fan.  RM, EMU, Roanoke and Bridgewater.  All top teams playing well and W & L gets a shot at them.

W& L could go from 11-5 to 15-5 and be in 2nd place.  They have the size and skill and have done very well against these teams.  You must throw out the 70-50 RM loss as they were coming back from San Diego trip.

W & L vs Lynchburg (72-67) they played mostly 6 players and 5 got 30 + mins.  Injury, sickness or foul trouble would be an issue in the ODAC or NCAA's.

Roanoke has size and skill to play NCAA's and plays 8 or so tho the year, let's hope they keep winning  since they are ranked (I haven't seen that yet) and if they are to lose, let it be in the ODAC championship game, so we might get two ODAC teams in the NCAA's.

There are some really big, deep teams out there.   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan20 on February 12, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
Roanoke deff should be the favorite going into the tourney, they have great size inside, and even if you shut them down, their guards shoot lights out, they have a very very good bench, RMC will give them a run, but I think they have the size to shut down Molley on the inside.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gogenerals04 on February 13, 2010, 01:26:10 PM
Washington and Lee's game against Randolph-Macon has been delayed due to travel difficulties for the Yellow Jackets. The game will likely now tip around 3:00.

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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 13, 2010, 04:10:02 PM
Halftime:

W&L- 42
RMC- 25
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 13, 2010, 05:01:51 PM
Final:

W&L - 73
RMC- 56
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 13, 2010, 08:16:34 PM
Now THAT is a statement.  Where was Arial and any other rebounders??  Obviously MIA.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 13, 2010, 08:44:47 PM
The first half was about 3s raining from everywhere for W&L and lots of turnovers for RMC.  Second half was about strong defense by W&L.  RMC shot much better in the second half and made a run but W&L made their free throws and some key baskets down the stretch.

No doubt the bus mechanical had some impact on the Jackets but the Gennies were ready.  They went 9 deep and got good minutes out of everyone.  Arial seemed frustrated from the beginning.  Herman did a good job keeping her off the low block and forcing her to get the ball higher than she wants.

J O'Briant is still battling a shoulder injury and noticeably favoring it, although she hit a couple of 3s in the second half.

Probably does not affect who will finish second but it is a major step toward 3rd for the Gennies.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 15, 2010, 08:26:33 AM
So here we go, final week of the regular season -

Spots 3 through 7 are still up for grabs.  The top seven teams will play 6 games against each other in the next 7 days.  While VWC had a tough week with some long road trips and dropping 3 of 4, 2 wins this week and they finish 12-8 and could be in fourth.  W&L plays three times this week, all against teams in the top 7 including Roanoke on Friday.  Winning 2 of 3 assures them 3rd but a loss to Bridgewater on Saturday could drop them to 4th or worse.  As the very simplistic predictive model showed, Bridgewater is moving up steadily.  If they can win 2 of 3 this week, they should stay in fourth or sneak into 3rd.  Two weeks ago Bridgewater was in sixth.

Based on the model, EMU has the toughest week, playing W&L and Roanoke, W&L has the next toughest row to hoe and Roanoke the third toughest set of games.  Of course these three all play each other this week. 

My guess is that the Jackets will be ready to play this week. They have almost a week between the drubbing in Lexington and the Friday night Pink-out against Guilford, then E&H on Saturday to wrap the ODAC regular season.  They will win both and finish second.

W&L will win 2 of 3 and finish third (pretty darned impressive), Bridgewater comes up just short and finishes 4th.  VWC wins both games this week to pull out 5th and Guilford and EMU finish with 11-9 records and let the tiebreakers figure it out.

Great week for ODAC Women's basketball!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 15, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
What are the tiebreakers for tournament seeding? If Bridgewater beats W&L that will be a season split head to head and assuming they finish with the same record who will be 3rd? I think you have to beat both Roanoke and RM to win it anyway, so which one do you want Saturday and which one Sunday?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 15, 2010, 09:55:19 AM
The tie-breaking procedure (if the regular season is a split) is as follows-

The 5-point tiebreaker works as follows: Point values (in multiples of five) are assigned
to teams according to their order of finish during the regular season. Unless there is a
tie for first, the first place team is awarded a point value equal to 5 times the number of
teams in the league. (If there are six teams in the league, wins over the first-place team
are worth 30 points. IMPORTANT: The total number of points distributed remains the
same,regardless of the number of ties. Thus, a six-team league always has 105 points fordistribution,
an eight-team league always has 180 points for distribution. Here are the total points for distribution
for the different sizes of leagues:
5 teams = 75 points for distribution
6 teams = 105 points for distribution
7 teams = 140 points for distribution
8 teams = 180 points for distribution
9 teams = 225 points for distribution
10 teams = 275 points for distribution
11 teams = 330 points for distribution
12 teams = 390 points for distribution
If teams are tied for a spot, their point values are equal. However, rather than
assigning them a simple multiple of five, the teams will divide the total points
available for the two(or however many) spots they take up, and that result is their
point value.

If this somehow results in a tie - it reverts back to drawn lots...

If BW beats W&L and they finish with the same record, then W&L has beaten Roanoke on Friday - that would be interesting in the tie-breaker since both team split with 2nd place RMC, the split with Roanoke might just earn W&L enough points to take third in the seeding.  The system described above comes from the ODAC procedural manual found at www.odaconline.com.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 15, 2010, 12:28:22 PM
A quick calculation of the 5 point tie-breaking system shows that if BW and WLU finish with the same conference record (requires a BW victory at WLU on Saturday), then every game this week could have an impact on the third seed in the Tournament.  If both finish the regular season at 14-6 and tied, then WLU has losses to Roanoke, RMC, BW, 2x VWC and Guilford.  BW would have losses to 2xRoanoke, RMC, WLU, EMU and Guilford.  The system gives "credit" for beating the better teams in the final standings.  Since the tie scenario only works if WLU beats EMU tomorrow, Roanoke on Friday and loses to BW on Saturday, WLU would have a higher point total than BW by around 10 points.  That means if VWC drops below 5th in the final Standing, this could change.  The 5-point tiebreaker system is very interesting but it looks at a season's worth of games based only on the final standings. 

Since we are talking about a two team tie, I would look at point differential in the two games between these two teams and not involve every other team in the conference.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 15, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
Yea that's a lot of math for all the "what if's" at this point, I'll just wait till Saturday night..... :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 15, 2010, 01:17:12 PM
there are definitely alot of possibilities.

Bottom line, assuming that W&L beats EMU tomorrow and loses to Roanoke on Friday, and that BW beats Lynchburg and Hollins, the game on Saturday afternoon is for third place.  Simple is better!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 15, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 13, 2010, 08:16:34 PM
Now THAT is a statement.  Where was Arial and any other rebounders??  Obviously MIA.
You are correct, whitecaylxx.  The team that does the physical work of rebounding is usually rewarded.  Arial is such a great player but RMC is a young team without the physical forward.  Maggie Roy is a very good player but teams like RC and WLU can pound the ball and control the game.  Can BC rebound against this type of team?  The game at Bridgewater was a good win for WLU.  The Generals had a huge rebounding advantage.  Teams like BC, GC and VWC can offset this some by guard pressure but over a season and a tournament, the team that takes care of the boards and has the inside offensive presence usually prevails.  Hopefully, the Generals win out and no need for a tie-breaker.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 15, 2010, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 13, 2010, 08:44:47 PM
The first half was about 3s raining from everywhere for W&L and lots of turnovers for RMC.  Second half was about strong defense by W&L.  RMC shot much better in the second half and made a run but W&L made their free throws and some key baskets down the stretch.

No doubt the bus mechanical had some impact on the Jackets but the Gennies were ready.  They went 9 deep and got good minutes out of everyone.  Arial seemed frustrated from the beginning.  Herman did a good job keeping her off the low block and forcing her to get the ball higher than she wants.

J O'Briant is still battling a shoulder injury and noticeably favoring it, although she hit a couple of 3s in the second half.

Probably does not affect who will finish second but it is a major step toward 3rd for the Gennies.

Hmmmm...I really can't say I am convinced that the bus breakdown had a whole lot to do with the RMC drubbing at Lexington on Saturday. After all, Coach LaHaye was asked how long RMC would need to warm up, and the answer was "only 30 minutes" In theory, she did know what her squad would need to be ready to play.

No doubt –W&L's defense forced RMC's Ariail her lowest offensive & one of her lowest rebounding outputs of the year. Kudos to W&L great offensive and defensive rebounding and to Herman for figuring the answer to Ariail. The strong play she showed in forcing Molly back & away from the baseline and out of her comfortable shooting zone paid great dividends.  

As for BC, Burkholder makes a living from not only stealing the ball, but regularly stealing it high and going in for the fast break. She also loves to draw the foul in the last minutes of the game. Question is: can W&L take care of the ball against her?

Each game hereafter has to be prepped by practices custom-made to defend against the opposing team. Let's hope everyone stays healthy.

Let the games begin!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 15, 2010, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 13, 2010, 08:16:34 PM
Now THAT is a statement.  Where was Arial and any other rebounders??  Obviously MIA.

Quote from: dukeofargyle on February 15, 2010, 06:36:35 PM
I really can’t say I am convinced that the bus breakdown had a whole lot to do with the RMC drubbing

The rebounding stats could only have been more lopsided if RMC had stayed on the bus:

RMC top rebounders: Arial - 8, Roy - 5, Wieczorek - 6    Team total: 28
W&L top rebounders: Bolton - 15, Felice - 10, Ingram - 8, Wilson - 8   Team Total: 51

Add to that: RMC's 56 points were almost 18 points below their season scoring average, while W&L's 73 were 9 points above their season scoring average.

Clearly RMC wasn't ready to play and the Gennies were, but this also reinforces my belief that the weakest part of RMC's game is team defense, while W&L seems to be buying into the adage that defense wins championships. (Where have I heard that before?  ;))

The tournament should be interesting!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 15, 2010, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 15, 2010, 08:26:33 AM

Spots 3 through 7 are still up for grabs. 

Actually spot 8 isn't set yet either. E&H Wasps finish with Hollins, VWC and RMC before finishing at Lynchburg. Likely to be 1-2 in the first three.
LC Hornets finish with Bridgewater, Randolph and Hollins before finishing against E&H. Likely to be 2-1 in the first three.
If that happens, and Lynchburg beats E&H, they split for the season and both finish 6-14.  LC gets the tie breaker by virtue of upsetting RMC in November.

It may not matter to anyone but us fans of teams named for stinging insects, but there it is!   :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 15, 2010, 07:38:49 PM
Brookland,
You are right - the "honor" of playing Roanoke in the first game of the tourney is up for grabs.  When only 8 are invited, it's important to be one of those 8 even if you are number 8.  Seems like just about every ODAC game played this week could move someone to a different seed or out of the tournament all together.


On the rebounding disparity between RMC and WLU - what I saw was a great team effort by the Generals.  Herman worked incredibly hard (as did Kamp and Warrick when Herman got a blow) boxing out Arial and then Bolton and Wilson were just active to the ball.  The team defense by RMC was definitely slow to close out in the first half - most of the 3s taken by the Generals were basically uncontested.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 16, 2010, 08:48:37 PM
Barn burner up in Harrisonburg at Yoder Arena... heartbreaker at home for the Royals.

Gennies over EMU: 73-70.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 16, 2010, 08:55:01 PM
Bridgewater 52, Lynchburg 42 final.
"Watched" the game on live stats, was not an aesthetically pleasing affair as both teams shot about 32% and LC turned it over 32 times. LC led by 11 with 17+ to go before BC finally got something going.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 16, 2010, 09:02:13 PM
Gennies showed some guts tonight for sure - took the lead for the first time at 19:44 in the second.  EMU had to foul 5 consecutive times in the last 14 seconds to put the Gennies on the line.....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 16, 2010, 09:38:35 PM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 16, 2010, 09:02:13 PM
Gennies showed some guts tonight for sure - took the lead for the first time at 19:44 in the second.  EMU had to foul 5 consecutive times in the last 14 seconds to put the Gennies on the line.....


Make that first lead by more than one point for the first time at 19:44 in the second half.....

My bad.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 16, 2010, 09:42:13 PM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 16, 2010, 09:02:13 PM
Gennies showed some guts tonight for sure


Yep – they had to gut it out & in more ways than some of the fans may realize.  Huge workload academically AND it's midterm week.  The Gennies are flat out sleep deprived & exhausted.
 
Add that to W&L's difficult ODAC schedule this week.  Saturday to Saturday they take on # 2 and #1, as well as perennially strong teams like EMU & Bridgewater.

Next- on Friday, they host #1 Roanoke.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 16, 2010, 09:57:47 PM
Let's hope they find a way to get some rest between now and Friday.  Saturday is even more important than Friday for the seeding.

Amazing comeback when things looked pretty darn bleak...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 17, 2010, 09:42:39 AM
I am curious about one thing...what goes thru your (fan/parent/watcher) when the EMU player is driving for a layup that may well put the game out of hand, she is tripped and there is no call and ball given back to W&L.

or

RM is 17 down, has come back to 7, W&L lost ball out of bounds with about 4 mins to go and as RM inbounds the ball, the W&L table sounds the horn and RM guard turns to see why game stopped, ball rolls out and ball given to W&L.

I think about what my old coach used to say " the harder I work, the luckier I get"

W&L has to be one of the hardest working teams I have seen this year.  The offensive rebounds, that gave them extra possessions,saved them last night.  They were not rebounds where the big player missed the layup and keep putting the ball back, but weak side rebounds.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 17, 2010, 10:15:28 AM
You hate to see it (I hate to see the wrong call even if it benefits my team) but for every one that goes against you there is at least one in some other game that went for you. Falls under the category of "that's why they play the games".
A while back, near the end of an AAU game my daughter played in the coach specifically asked the ref how many timeouts he had left and she told him (and gestured for all to see) "one". So he calls it, they check the book and he's out of em', gets a technical and the free throws from that prove to be the winning margin.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 17, 2010, 10:45:28 AM
wmjofva, I have to agree wit BH20Fan.

I too, have watched countess games and seen countless bad calls in AAU games, and in many leagues over the East coast.

I wish I could say that the reffing in the ODAC is stellar, but unfortunately, I cannot. Be assured that for every call that has benefitted any team, that same team has suffered through at least an equal number of those that hurt them. Missed calls, calls that are made by the ref 30 feet down the floor from the play while the one 6 feet away sees nothing, multiple muggings in the low block with no call, endless hand checks on the back of the shooter in order to facilitate poking the ball out from behind (especially favored by one player that I know of) that seem to be 'missed' or 'overlooked' time, after time, after time.

Anyone who is familiar with W&L's record over the past 10 years, will rest very assured that the Gennies have NOT been unduly favored by doting or biased referees.

Reffing is an admittedly thankless job. Everyone has the same refs. My view is that  bad calls will be distributed more or less equally over time....

Hopefully, they will assign those most qualified to the ODAC tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 17, 2010, 10:53:45 AM
Being a ref takes a special kind of person, unfortunately there are not enough of these people available and so, some folks that are not well-suited end up being refs.

The inadvertant horn during the RMC-WLU game on Saturday was weird.  Usually a scorers table error would be "neutralized" by the game refs.  I was surprised they did not stop the game and reset in that instance. 

I would say that over time the calls equal out, however, it can take a long time.  I believe consistency is the most important part of being a ref.  If a coach/player to count on a ref to make the same call on the same game action - then there is nothing to argue about.  Basketball moves quickly and there are 10 athletes on the court with only 3 refs.

I believe most coaches/players and fans probably have more issues with the inconsistency that I see on a regular basis.....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 17, 2010, 11:15:47 AM
Agreed, if a certain call is going to be made the same way, both ways, from start to finish you know what to expect and have to adjust accordingly. It's easy to be critical from the stands, but I wouldn't wanna do it. Like I told a guy before a high school game once: "I'm not telling you how to call the game because you don't tell me how to mop the floor at the bus station......" ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 17, 2010, 11:48:48 AM
I my mind, I think those are all good answers.  Sad...to say but I often see better called games in AAU 9 yr old girls than I do in some of the ODAC games.  The pay is a little better in ODAC. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 17, 2010, 12:57:08 PM
Personally, I've done some reffing and I would prefer to work ODAC games for free than to worlk AAU or high school - there are way too many parents in the stands at AAU and high school games. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 17, 2010, 01:14:59 PM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 17, 2010, 12:57:08 PM
would prefer to work ODAC games for free than to worlk AAU or high school - there are way too many parents in the stands at AAU and high school games. 

On the jersey of a player at National AAU in Fl  "Many play, few understand"......
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 17, 2010, 03:13:49 PM
true but unfortunate, but somehow I doubt that player was commenting on the actual rules of basketball....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 18, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
So here we go - final 11 games of the regular season over the next 3 days-

Roanoke goes 1-0
RMC goes 2-0
W&L goes 1-1
Bridgewater goes 1-1
Guilford goes 1-1
EMU goes 0-1
VWC goes 1-1
Lynchburg goes 2-0
Randolph goes 0-1
E&H goes 0-2
Hollins goes 0-2

What's your prediction?

Let the games begin!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 18, 2010, 10:25:00 PM
I predict Roanoke will be anything but 1-0 since they play twice  ;)
Call me a homer, but the Eagles will sweep the weekend to finish 3rd.....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 19, 2010, 04:44:30 AM
Good catch - Roanoke should be 2-0 but 1-1 is definitely possible.  Motivation may be difficult for the Maroon this weekend.

I think the only way Bridgewater takes third is if W&L goes 0-2 for the weekend, right?  If the Gennies are 1-1 all the tiebreakers go for W&L.  Definitely possible but a loss tonight by W&L against Roanoke (not a sure thing only lost by 3 in Roanoke and the Nokes don't have much to play for at this point), and a BW win over Hollins tonight (as much of a sure thing as exists, although Hollins broke through with an ODAC win this week), makes tomorrow's 4PM tipoff in Lexington a play-off game for 3rd.  That would be cool and worth the $7.00 B2Live feed to see.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 19, 2010, 07:27:54 AM
Roanoke has a lot to play for tonight.  Didn't they win the regular season last year, not win the tournament and not get an at large bid?  They need a win tonight to keep their #2 ranking in the south.  If they lose, they will probably have to win the tournament or not get a bid.  They had a weak out of conference schedule with a loss to Ferrum.  I would call the game tonight a toss-up.  The BC-WLU game on Saturday should be a good one.  Pressure on BC to win on the road to a team that they lost to at home. The game a Bridgewater was not a close game.  The conference is really balanced 1-7 seeds and it should make for an exciting time in Salem.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 19, 2010, 09:24:56 AM
Bridgewater-W&L 1 was the Eagles worst shooting performance of the season- I'd like to say they're playing much better but Tuesdays % vs. LC was only marginally better. Rebounding will be key- W&L was +18 last time. I just think W&L's schedule leading up to Saturday gives BC the edge.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 19, 2010, 09:47:28 AM
Why so on the schedule?   If the Generals play well tonight, they should go into Saturday fairly confident.  They have used their bench and will be at home also.  BC struggled against LC and should not be pushed with Hollins.  Sometimes it is hard to crank it back up to play tougher competition.  If Burkholder does not have a big game, is there anyone to fill the needed points?  The Generals have shown that different people can rise to the task.  Unlike last year, does BC have the size to handle Herman and Bolton?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 19, 2010, 10:02:03 AM
I agree with RVAHokie except that LC and E&H have three games so I predict E&H 0-3 and LC 3-0.
I agree that the BC-WLU game will be a good one. I also agree that rebounding will be one of the keys. Knowing those two teams, the other will be 3-pt shooting percentage. I give the nod to WLU because I think they are better at rebounding and defense. In BC's scare against LC, they were actually out-rebounded, and went 1-13 from 3-pt range in the first half. That game was mostly about defense for both teams (it was BC forcing a string of turnovers that actually turned the game for them). I think WLU can bring that same kind of defensive pressure but can sustain it against BC where LC could not.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 19, 2010, 10:29:36 AM
Schedule-wise, W&L's last 4 games are/were the top four places in the standings other than them. BC's last 4 were against the last 4 teams. So on paper that's a certain edge for BC, although with the parity in the league not an overwhelming one. They'll be ready for a game with so much on the line. BC's starters got a lot of rest vs Randolph, and hopefully will again tonight vs Hollins (although it seems they are capable of making it interesting). BC goes 10 deep most nights for at least a few minutes. No argument the scoring is not balanced, if Jordan struggles it changes a lot of things. BC's freshman posts have some size, and hopefully the additional experience since the first game will help (they got an education back then).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 19, 2010, 11:32:06 AM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 19, 2010, 10:29:36 AM
on paper that's a certain edge for BC,
I suppose that might be true in terms of being more rested, but in terms of being on top of their game, I think playing well against the top competition gives the edge to WLU...I go with Bammer on this one.
Only the game will tell!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 19, 2010, 11:55:08 PM
BC wins, W&L loses- winner take all Saturday.........
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 20, 2010, 07:39:42 AM
Been out of the loop for a week - got caught up with the Roanoke / W & L game.  Bammer:  "Wow, 10 to 15 better.  Somebody is drinking the Maroon colored kool aid."  The Kool Aid was certainly flowing last night for the Maroons.  They played defense when it counted and even beat Washington and Lee in the rebounding category - which is tough to do.  Nicci Moats seems to be hitting her stride.  It's going to be an interesting game against Bridgewater.  Predictions??
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 20, 2010, 05:57:37 PM
Missed the first half of Noke-Generals but Moats did serious damage in the first half and then had difficulty in the second half.  The Generals definitely had trouble against the Maroon defense in the second half. 

A quick turnaround off a tough loss didn't seem to phase the Generals as they take Bridgewater this afternoon for a 3rd seed in the Tournament!  Great job by the Staff and Players.

I took in the Senior Night festivities in Ashland this afternoon.  Nicely done by the RMC staff to recognize their Seniors.  Great job by the RMC players to make sure their Seniors finished with a win - this was over early.  The RMC Seniors scored the first 2 baskets and never looked back.

Great Career by Molly A.

Predictions for the tourney?  Will anyone knock off the Nokes?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 20, 2010, 06:24:03 PM
^ We were also in the audience today and are so proud of the 2 seniors and really, the whole team.  Molly Ariail cracked 1000 rebounds today and had already broken the college's all time record for womens' rebounds.  Maggie Roy, Jillian Asay, Katie Williams and Taylor Wiesoreck also played with distinction today and the team nearly hit the 100 point mark against a spunky Wasps team.  We missed seeing Jennifer O'Briant, who's resting a sore shoulder, in action this weekend but we loved seeing all the other Jackets get some major minutes today.

Coach Lahaye and the staff do a great job with honoring our seniors and with encouraging the younger players to reach high.  Both Molly and Renee were interviewed by the local paper and talked about how they hate to leave R-MC.

Now, that's what WE want to hear!

These 2 will be sorely missed when they leave; but like Megan Silva, Amanda Hiltunen, Lindsay Reisbeck, Michelle Orton, Megan Senske, Marta Merkel and many other recent basketball alums, we hope they'll be regulars at our womens games in the future.  At R-MC, basketball really is a "family" of fans.  

We can't wait to see the Jackets in action again in Salem!  GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 20, 2010, 07:36:17 PM
It was an impressive offensive display by all the RMC players, I believe everyone scored.  To say E&H was spunky may be a bit kind.  There were some athletes that really didn't look like they wanted to be in Ashland today - some on the other hand battled to the end despite the 30+ point deficit.

One thing I missed was the flagrant foul called on the E&H point guard.  I didn't see it - did you see it and if so, what happened?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 20, 2010, 08:06:38 PM
We didn't see that as flagrant, but some sitting near us felt it was a virtual headlock applied on Molly, and obviously that's what the ref thought it was. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 21, 2010, 08:26:06 AM
Washington and Lee comes up with a big win when needed.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 21, 2010, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 19, 2010, 09:47:28 AM
Why so on the schedule?   If the Generals play well tonight, they should go into Saturday fairly confident.  They have used their bench and will be at home also.  BC struggled against LC and should not be pushed with Hollins.  Sometimes it is hard to crank it back up to play tougher competition.  If Burkholder does not have a big game, is there anyone to fill the needed points?  The Generals have shown that different people can rise to the task.  Unlike last year, does BC have the size to handle Herman and Bolton?
Congrats W&L, and Bammer for the prophetic questions and answers.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 21, 2010, 12:38:27 PM
Congratulations to the Generals for finishing 3-1.  I would like to see a rematch with RC.  Although the Generals lost Friday, all is not lost.  It was the end of exam week and multiple players were playing on little or no sleep.  The game was tied at half and then the legs went out.  RC got to the line for 10 more free throws and the Generals had too many turnovers in the second half.  I am not ready to pencil the Maroons in just yet.  I believe RMC, BC and WLU can win this also.  Although I expect the Roanoke coach to get coy, I think that Coach King should get some consideration also.  Best conference finish yet for WLU.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 21, 2010, 02:03:26 PM
Emory & Henry vs. Lynchburg at 4PM for the privilege of facing Roanoke Thursday. Predictions?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 21, 2010, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 11, 2010, 08:17:44 AM
"One question for the ODAC veterans - where do you get Basketball Tournament Tickets?  It doesn't look like the Salem Civic Center has them on sale yet."


Hokie, here's your link for tickets for the ODAC Tournament:

http://odaconline.com/tournament/winter/basketball/tickets

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 21, 2010, 07:59:37 PM
Bammer-
I think it's hard to not name Coach King, COY for the ODAC this year.  Roanoke did exactly as expected, W&L performed well above what was expected of them.  The Roanoke Coach does a great job, but she has far more talent to work with than any other ODAC program right now.  Coach King has raised the program at one of the most selective Universities in the Country to compete successfully in a very strong conference.

The Maroon outplayed the Generals in the second half on Friday night, but the Generals were ready to play on Saturday on short rest.  Excellent coaching job!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 21, 2010, 08:01:07 PM
Duke,
Thanks for the link.  Hope to make the trip down to Salem for the Semis on Saturday...

Thanks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 22, 2010, 08:31:39 PM
I'll be the first to throw some guesses, oops I mean predictions up-


Thursday
Roanoke
VWC
RMC
W&L

Saturday
Roanoke
RMC

Sunday
Roanoke

I think the only chance for an "upset" (other than 4v5) is Guilford over W&L but with the Gennies rested and ready I don't think that happens.

IMO only the top 3 have a real chance of winning this tourney and W&L's shot is very long.  RMC's chances are seriously tied to officiating and J O'Briant's shoulder situation.  If Jennier isn't close to 100%, their chances become slim as well.

I'm ready to hear how wrong I am....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 22, 2010, 10:59:43 PM
I see "chalk" on Thursday but don't care to venture any guesses beyond that. RVAHokie, BC rolled VWC by 33 at home and outscored them in the extra session by 14 down there-tough to beat a team 3 times in a season but I feel we (I'm paying the tuition so I can say "we") match up quite well with them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 23, 2010, 07:19:56 AM
tough to beat any team 3x in a season, I really thought the game in Norfolk was odd.  I was "watching" on livestats and the VWC athletes could not stop fouling in the final minutes of regulation.  They had BC beaten that particular evening and "let them off the hook".  That is the best match-up of Thursday's games.  Wish I could get down to Salem to watch day one.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 23, 2010, 07:47:28 AM
I "watched" that one too, hard to get a true sense of the circumstances that led to the result via livestats (i.e. did BC make some great plays or did VWC get sloppy). Not hard to see BC needs to shoot better than recent efforts vs. LC and W&L.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 23, 2010, 07:51:06 AM
Quote from: RVAHokie on February 22, 2010, 08:31:39 PM
I think the only chance for an "upset" (other than 4v5) is Guilford over W&L but with the Gennies rested and ready I don't think that happens.

IMO only the top 3 have a real chance of winning this tourney and W&L's shot is very long.  RMC's chances are seriously tied to officiating and J O'Briant's shoulder situation.  If Jennier isn't close to 100%, their chances become slim as well.

I'm ready to hear how wrong I am....

RMC does have soon-to-be All American Molly in her final tourney and many ODAC defenders are intimidated by her. This honor is well deserved; Molly has often changed the play the moment she steps on the court, and her numbers are impressive by any standards.

I'm sorry to hear that Jen O'Briant is still hurting, but why do you feel that RMC's chances are tied to officiating? It's true that only 2 teams in the ODAC are the long time and consistent beneficiaries of some truly outrageous calls (and non-calls) from the ODAC refs, and RMC is not one of them, but the 6 other ODAC teams share that same disadvantage. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 23, 2010, 10:12:02 AM
Duke-

I am new to the ODAC so my opinion is not based on a huge amount of data, however, watching RMC play in 6 or 7 games this year including the one in Lexington, it appeared that if the athletes are allowed to play, it is a distinct benefit for RMC, as opposed to refs that call it a bit tighter can take some of the game away from Molly.

Most teams benefit from a particular style of officiating.  The teams with taller, stronger athletes usually benefit from a looser style, while the smaller (and often quicker) teams benefit from a tighter called game. 

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 23, 2010, 10:23:54 AM
I agree that BC-VWC is the most interesting game. I think the keys to that game will be turnovers and defense on BC's 3-pt shooters. In both previous games, VWC out-rebounded BC but turned the ball over too much (VWC had 16 more TOs and 15 fewer steals in those 2 games). On offense, BC lives and dies by the 3. If VWC can protect the ball and limit BC's success from beyond the arc, they have a chance.
I'll go out on a limb and pick VWC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 23, 2010, 11:15:30 AM
BC will go as Burkholder goes.  She is a good and competitive player.  You cannot let her get those open court steals.  You have to make her work for every basket while not putting her on the line.  This should be an even game but I am picking BC just because of Burkholder.  She is a dynamic player that can really take over a game.  I do not see that in Tonia Jones. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 23, 2010, 12:30:32 PM
Quote from: Bammer on February 23, 2010, 11:15:30 AM
BC will go as Burkholder goes.  She is a good and competitive player.  You cannot let her get those open court steals.  You have to make her work for every basket while not putting her on the line.  This should be an even game but I am picking BC just because of Burkholder.  She is a dynamic player that can really take over a game.  I do not see that in Tonia Jones. 
I agree. I think VWC's best bet would be to deny her the ball. Make her work not only to score, but to get into position to score. Most people notice on-ball defense and steals (when they notice defense at all) but sometimes the best defense doesn't show up in the stats or where the ball is. Deny defense is loved only by purists and practiced well only by the most dedicated defenders. We'll see whether VWC can rise to the task.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 25, 2010, 10:20:02 AM
CONGRATS to all who won conference honors last night, but especially to Molly Ariail, the POY again this year.  Also, glad to see Maggie Roy get some recognition - she's one of the hardest working players we've ever seen at R-MC.

Hopefully, Hollins can build something now that they have a ROY player! 

We're off to Salem asap this afternoon.  Best wishes to ALL for your teams' success and for safe travels to & from.

GO JACKETS!!!  Let's go all the way again!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 25, 2010, 03:40:29 PM
It's not a big surprise, but #1 Roanoke's through to the semis, topping #8 LC 88-64.  Congratulations to the Maroons.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 25, 2010, 06:14:31 PM
Quote from: Brookland on February 23, 2010, 10:23:54 AM
I agree that BC-VWC is the most interesting game. I think the keys to that game will be turnovers and defense on BC's 3-pt shooters. ...
I'll go out on a limb and pick VWC.
Looks like it worked out just that way! VWC forced 8 TOs and held BC to 3-17 shooting on the way to an opening scoring advantage of 26-7. BC eventually evened up the TOs over the rest of the game (25 for VWC and 24 for BC), but never did get untracked from beyond the arc, finishing just 1-11 from 3-pt range and just 27% shooting overall. As to Bammer's point that "BC will go as Burkholder goes" that worked out as well - 5 pts, 1 reb, 3 assists, 2 steals, 6 TOs and a foul-out (although that fifth one looked questionable to me). A tough way for a great player to end the season.
Congratulations on a great effort by the Marlins!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: emufan on February 25, 2010, 07:47:08 PM
Looks like EMU knocks off #2 seed RMC by a score of 69- 64.

Way to go EMU!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on February 25, 2010, 07:51:03 PM
 Congrats to Va. Wesleyan, you were simply better than Bridgewater today.
Congrats to EMU on the 5 point win over RMC.
I guess I will be cheering on the Royals now the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 25, 2010, 07:55:52 PM
Wow, EMU upsets RMC 69-64! I guess the Royals didn't read the press releases! Team effort trumps POY. Congratulations EMU!
The ODAC tourney departs from script once again. Gotta love it. I guess you really DO have to play the games...

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 25, 2010, 08:17:46 PM
Sincere congrats to EMU...what a game!!!  Amazing... Man, every one of the Royals came out to play. It is definite that the parity in this conference is so closer every year. 

Unfortunately, this game was also Molly's swan song... IMO, the ODAC will not see her likes again soon. Best of luck to Molly, she will have a bright future!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 25, 2010, 10:37:18 PM
Number 6 Quakers and # 3 Generals in a tight one, with W&L getting the win, 72-66.  Good luck to Washington and Lee on Saturday and my thanks to the Guilford coaches, players and staff for having a winning season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 25, 2010, 10:46:25 PM

Quote from: Brookland on February 23, 2010, 10:23:54 AM
to Bammer's point that "BC will go as Burkholder goes"...... and a foul-out (although that fifth one looked questionable to me). A tough way for a great player to end the season.
Congratulations on a great effort by the Marlins!

Tough indeed, Jordan was justifiably distraught over it. Ridiculous call based on the standard set up to that point in the game (here we go about the refs again). First 30 minutes was the wild west, last 10 min. hand checks drew whistles.
Congrats to all of todays winners
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Emu435 on February 26, 2010, 12:26:40 AM
WOW.  EMU got a big upset today.  we were falling off here toward the end of the season.  maybe we can get some momentum and maybe have a run at the ODAC tournament championship.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 26, 2010, 07:29:22 AM
So W&L plays a team they beat twice (EMU) during the regular season for the right to play a team they lost to twice during the regular season (Roanoke and VWC).  Very interesting.  W&L seems to be peaking at the right time, but it can be tough to beat a team 3x in one season.  I have never heard a good reason why that is, but it seems to be true if the teams are even close to evenly matched.

Roanoke is the obvious choice but the Generals may just have somethng for them assuming they can beat EMU for the third time.  Of course, if VWC jumps up and beats Noke then the final would be totally up for grabs no matter who wins the second semi on Saturday.

Great tourney (assuming you aren't an RMC fan), feel very bad for Molly and the Jackets, really wanted to see her get another shot at the twin towers of Roanoke...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 26, 2010, 10:04:17 AM
Congratulations to the Generals for showing so much poise.  They will need the same against EMU.  EMU has really come together.  I saw the W&L / EMU game at EMU.  It was a great game with both teams executing and shooting well.  EMU has such patience and discipline to be such a young team.  Tough loss for Guilford, but they have so much talent returning.  The league will be different without Molly Ariail but there is a lot of young talent.  Madison Delaney played so well for RMC last night.  Will anyone be able to play with Roanoke with their coy and 3 first team all-ODAC?  Is ESPN doing a feature on the D3 Maroon twin towers?  Good thing the league champion will be determined on the court and not by press clippings.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 26, 2010, 11:33:56 AM
Nothing wrong with Roanoke getting their due press coverage.  Congratulations to Coach Dunnagan for her great season.  Also, kudos to the big surprises - Virginia Wesleyan, EMU and Washington and Lee.  It's going to be great watching the rest of the tournament!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 27, 2010, 01:39:39 PM
VWC over Roanoke 37-21 at the half. VWC fired up and Roanoke looking flat. An upset in the making? GREAT effort by the Marlins so far.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 27, 2010, 02:47:40 PM
Roanoke rally falls short! VWC wins 52-49 with a total team effort. Congratulations to the Marlins and to Coach Dunmyer, both for a great game plan and for having her team ready to execute it. Great combination of defense, rebounding and ball movement to get the open look. Impressive basketball!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on February 27, 2010, 07:45:56 PM
The Gennies did what the Maroon couldn't quite pull off.  What a comeback by King's Generals.  They were totally outplayed in the first half and the second half was a clinic and showed exactly how deep this team can be.  2 First Years made significant contributions today and Allie Long was superb.

Great effort by EMU.

Roanoke got back in it but couldn't quite pull it off. When they got inside 5 points, I didn't think there was anyway they lose.  Great second wind by VWC.

So I guess we'll see if VWC can beat W&L 3x in one season.

I am even more convinced that King was COY in the ODAC after seeing those two games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 28, 2010, 08:15:25 AM
Congratulations to the Generals.  Should be a good championship game.  Would have liked to have seen a Generals / Maroon game, but VWC deserves to be in it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 28, 2010, 08:40:28 AM
Congratulations to both Virginia Wesleyan and Washington and Lee for getting to the finals.  I hope they both play well and make for an exciting game.

The ODAC will crown a new first time women's champion! 

I hope Roanoke still gets a bid to the tourney along with our AQ.  A 23-3 record aint' too shabby along with a 2nd place regional ranking.   Would be great for the ODAC to get two teams in.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 28, 2010, 08:51:46 AM
Playing that soft out of conference schedule may come home to haunt the Maroons.  Didn't they have a similar record last year and did not get a bid?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 28, 2010, 09:40:10 AM
You're right Bammer, pretty similar.  I think they finished 17-3, 23-4 overall with all of their losses coming from ODAC teams.  But their regional ranking was lower (at 5th prior to their ODAC tourney loss).

I was hoping with the higher regional ranking, they would be given some consideration at least.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 28, 2010, 07:10:58 PM
Congratulations to W&L for their first ODAC Championship!! 

D3hoops is projecting Roanoke will get a bid to the dance as well.

http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/proj-wbbbracket2010.pdf

I'll keep my fingers crossed that the NCAA will choose similarly.

Good LUCK to W&L...and Roanoke too if they get a bid.

GO ODAC!!


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 01, 2010, 07:54:35 AM
After a series of under performance - Bridgewater, Roanoke and Virginia Wesleyan - Washington and Lee was one of the bright spots of the ODAC tournament.  Congratulations on the big win!  (Congratulations to EMU, as well.) Hopefully the Roanoke players will get a chance to redeem themselves with a NCAA bid.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on March 01, 2010, 08:00:16 AM
W&L ODAC Champions - WOW.  Great job by the team and Coach King and Coach Pyzik.  This is what is good about college athletics, real student athletes.  The chemistry on this team is unbelievable.  Their behavior on and off the court represents W&L well.  The ODAC is represented well by this year's league champion.  Congratulations to Becca Bolton (sophomore), Katie Wilson (freshman) on being on the all tournament team and to tournament MVP Meg Ingram (sophomore).  This is a young team losing only 1 senior who is going to medical school.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on March 01, 2010, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on March 01, 2010, 07:54:35 AM
After a series of under performance - Bridgewater, Roanoke and Virginia Wesleyan -
Bridgewater and Roanoke no doubt underperformed, but VWC? Making the final by beating these 2 and up 9 at halftime of the final seems like a pretty good run to me. Seems like W&L did what they do best, get hot on offense and stingy on defense coming out of the break.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 01, 2010, 01:01:12 PM
Brackets are up. Both W&L and Roanoke play at Christopher Newport.

Here is the link:

http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/wbkb-bracket2010.pdf
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on March 01, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on March 01, 2010, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on March 01, 2010, 07:54:35 AM
After a series of under performance - Bridgewater, Roanoke and Virginia Wesleyan -
Bridgewater and Roanoke no doubt underperformed, but VWC? Making the final by beating these 2 and up 9 at halftime of the final seems like a pretty good run to me. Seems like W&L did what they do best, get hot on offense and stingy on defense coming out of the break.

The only 2 underperformers were teams that lost in big upsets.  RC and RMC.  VWC definitely did not underperform.  Bridgewater certainly did not play their best but they lost the 4-5 game, not the 2-7 or 1-5. 

W&L and Roanoke got no favors with the brackets other than the opportunity to keep travel costs low.  CNU is a very good team
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on March 01, 2010, 01:05:26 PM
Not a terrible draw for the Generals.  They played at Christopher Newport earlier this year.  They were only down 2 with 6 minutes to go and then let it get away from them.  I am sure that both teams have improved.  Wouldn't it be great to see the Generals face the Maroons for a trip to the Sweet 16?  Nice to see the Maroons were given a bid.  Wonder if coy Dunnigan will get them to not underperform this time?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 01, 2010, 01:36:39 PM
Well I'm very glad to see that both W&L and RC got in, but it sucks they may have to face each other in the 2nd game of the touney!!!

RMC played CNU early in the year too.  CNU is beatable, but Schweers is the real deal.  RMC was up by as many as 7 in the 1st half, but CNU tied the game at half time and Macon got within 3 points with 9 minutes to go in the 2nd half, but ended up losing by 9.

W&L can definitely beat them if they keep the pressure on.

I'm sure Roanoke will be ready for blood given their upset in the ODAC tourney. I did not see their game vs VWC, but honestly, they must have been thinking since RMC lost, they had an easy road to the championship and let their guard down.  I doubt seriously if they will be taking anyone for granted now since they have something to prove.

GOOD LUCK to both teams!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 01, 2010, 02:08:14 PM
Everyone is so touchy about the "under performance".  Bridgewater and Roanoke did underperform - they were the favored teams.  And I feel that after VWC's impressive start, and after beating W & L twice this year - they also under performed.  As for COY Dunagan - she had a great season.  Just because her players slacked off for one game, does not mean she was undeserving of coach of the year. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on March 01, 2010, 02:25:05 PM
All teams under-perform at times, there are endless stories about the great upsets and the big let-downs.  Coach Dunagan did not coach any differently on Saturday afternoon than any other game.  My guess, is their pre-game routine was the same, I bet she worked very hard to avoid exactly what happened.  Letdowns by teams in that situation are more due to a lack of player leadership than any reflection on the Coach in my estimation.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on March 01, 2010, 02:54:23 PM
A team is a reflection of their coach.  Roanoke down by 1 with less than a minute against VWC.  Twin towers available and a first team senior guard available so an out of control transfer guard wildly drives and gets a bad shot blocked.  RC fouls, VWC hits 2 ff, wild 3 pt attempt and game over.  COY Dunnigan has so much raw talent on this team.  Since they played such an easy out of conference schedule and were "10 to 15 points better than anyone else in the ODAC" , can they come back after the semis meltdown and are they capable of winning against top ranked teams in pressure situations?  Lose in the semis 1 year with the top team you can say it is just an off day, but when you come in the next year with a stronger team in a year when the rest of the league is weaker, then tell me what is the reason?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on March 01, 2010, 04:11:56 PM
Not feelin touchy about the underperformance issue with regards to VWC, just don't see it that way. We can agree to disagree, I hope :)
Best of luck to Roanoke and W&L, here's hoping they represent the ODAC strong!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on March 01, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
I thought VWC showed true grit by being undersized and competing.  They did not have the height or bulk in the semis or finals.  They pressured and went hard after every loose ball.  They got the most out of their ability in this tournament.  The top 3 seeds all had big, physical centers.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 01, 2010, 05:21:59 PM
Well the match-up was the same when they beat W & L twice.  So I don't agree that Virginia Wesleyan just wasn't as qualified as Washington and Lee.  I do agree that a team is often a reflection of it's coach.  Sometimes, however, the players just take it upon themselves to play ball - in spite of the coach.  We will see how Roanoke and Washington and Lee fare in the NCAA tournament.  I wish them the best!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 01, 2010, 05:25:58 PM
Belated CONGRATULATIONS to the Generals for the tournament trophy.  We saw the last 15 minutes of the game and we didn't see any underperformance from anyone!

Congrats also to Roanoke on getting a Pool C bid. 

Wishing both these ODAC teams the very best for the NCAAs and glad they don't have to travel out of state, although still a hike!

Travel safely and GO ODAC!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on March 02, 2010, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on March 01, 2010, 05:21:59 PM
Well the match-up was the same when they beat W & L twice.  So I don't agree that Virginia Wesleyan just wasn't as qualified as Washington and Lee.  I do agree that a team is often a reflection of it's coach.  Sometimes, however, the players just take it upon themselves to play ball - in spite of the coach.  We will see how Roanoke and Washington and Lee fare in the NCAA tournament.  I wish them the best!
Most coaches would take players that "just take it upon themselves to play ball - in spite of the coach" and let them reside at the end of the bench.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 02, 2010, 12:06:28 PM
I would agree, but it doesn't always happen!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 02, 2010, 01:21:48 PM
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Losing in the ODAC tournament may not be as bad for Roanoke as one would think.  Playing MdDaniel College who upset #22 Muhlenberg in their conference tournament title game, when Muhlenburg shot 1-24 from the 3 pt range (yes they are a 'mad bomber offense')  may allow them to match up very well against this team.

W&L has a much harder first game...HOME TEAM...undefeated, ranked.  They played up tempo defense against RM to get quick shots from RM and then played full possessions using the full 30 seconds if needed,  RM went to zone in 2nd half to protect Molly and Schweers went wild. too bad it's not on a neutral court.

Let's hope ODAC does well! I always like teams that beat me to go forward and show they are good teams.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 02, 2010, 02:02:34 PM
I agree, it seems the ODAC winner got the tougher drawer.  We will see how it goes...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 02, 2010, 04:03:32 PM
BIG congratulations to Molly Ariail, a Jostens Trophy Finalist!  Way to go, Molly, the whole R-MC family is so proud of you. 

Thank you for all your hard work and commitment during the past 4 years; you will be greatly missed when you graduate!

GO JACKETS!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 02, 2010, 04:04:41 PM
Congratulations to Molly Ariail of RMC for being selected as a Josten's Finalist.  

This is 3rd RMC finalist in the past 5 years!!!  
Amanda Hiltunen was a finalist last year and  Megan Silva brought home the award in '06.

What an honor for Molly as well as a great reflection on the school.


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 02, 2010, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on November 11, 2009, 05:26:43 PM
"Much of Molly's and R-MC's achievements will depend on success of new players and existing players stepping up to fill big shoes vacated by Hiltunen and Riesbeck."

RMC still has a lot of talent, but the combination of these top 3 players in the RMC program in the past few years produced a dynamic that was amazing. In my experience, that chemistry will be hard to reproduce, but RMC still has a very strong squad that should go far this season.

EMU also has reloaded very successfully. Kevin Griffin gets well-deserved props on his recruiting. Roanoke could dominate again this year with their impressive recruits also, but I - for one, am hoping for a year of some more surprises. Wouldn't it be nice to see Hollins win against some strong competition?

Best of luck to everyone this season.


The ODAC is very proud to have Molly represent them again for Jostens this year. Her nomination is a true honor.

Both teams and players did us all proud this year... and MAN! ...guess I was prophetic. This WAS the year of surprises! The ODAC has had a lot of great players and press this year. Much more parity in the conference, which always makes for great hoops.

And WOW - 2 ODAC teams makin' to it to the big dance.

AWESOME.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: donho on March 02, 2010, 04:36:42 PM
 FYI,  your r-mc mens assistant coach Jon-David Byers won the award in 2005.

  Good luck to Molly!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on March 02, 2010, 08:55:53 PM
OK, fellow ODAC boarders and amateur basketball strategists - what does W&L (or maybe Roanoke) need to do to get past 28-0 Christopher Newport and POY Chelsie Schweers? Just to recap some highlights of her year so far:
24.9 pts/game, 8 games over 33 points (including one at 40), shot .530 overall and .487 from 3 pt range. Also had 64 assists and 79 steals, along with 4.7 reb/game (not too bad for a 5'7 shooting guard). Fast, quick, deadly jump shooter who only needs a momentary open look to get her shot off. Can hit the open teammate when defense collapses on her.
The rest of the team: two other players averaging double figures, 7 other players with FG% .412 or better. Lots of team speed. Offense features rapid tempo highlighted by lots of screens (including double and even triple screens) to get Schweers the open look.
Ideas, anyone?   :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on March 02, 2010, 09:08:41 PM
It's a tall task for anyone that plays them.  I would suggest making them defend for the full shot clock, and rebound like it's your job.  The Generals better shoot well and not have sloppy turnovers.  The Generals played them close at the beginning of the season, W&L has certainly improved since then, I'm sure CNU has too.  I'm sure they will give them a great game.

If Roanoke gets a shot at CNU - they need the bigs to be huge!

I haven't seen CNU play this year so I may be out in left field (or those seats at the Carrier Dome that are about a mile from the basketball court....)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on March 03, 2010, 09:23:49 AM
I believe there are several keys to the game for the Generals against CNU.  Keep the turnovers down, don't get in foul trouble and put CNU on the line, and use their advantage in the paint.  This is similar to the VWC game.  In the second half the ball went inside, turnovers down, better defense.  Herman and Bolton need to do damage inside.  Ingram and Pfannenstein take and make good shots and Long takes care of the ball.  It will be a tough game having to play at CNU.  I expect a good crowd.  This said, I believe that this is not that bad a draw.  The Generals played at CNU early in the season.  They know what to expect.  Trying to be objective and not a General's fan, I give a slight edge to CNU because it is in their home gym.  Don't be surprised if the Generals advance though.  I expect them to be in the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 03, 2010, 10:23:00 AM
So you want to shut down Chelsea Schweers? Coaches know the odds of any given circumstance, so when a team is as 'unbalanced' in its offensive production as CNU, you must play the percentages, and Schweers is that percentage. Schweers is a 5'7 guard who is a great outside shooter, play maker, assist guard, and can even play a little defense.

When you are up against a team with one star offensive player and four solid teammates, defense wins championships. This will take a huge amount of work on both the inside and outside, but the Gennies are real capable of this type of output. Out-rebounding CNU, boxing out to stop them from second chance offensive rebounds and shutting down Schweers is the key. If I were the W&L coach, I would hit CNU with a box and 1 with two specific players constantly rotating on Schweers. These would be Pfannenstein and Wilson. These young ladies are great defenders. Pfannenstein is a very tall, physical defender with a huge amount of grit who could alter Schweers' shot just by having a hand in her face. Wilson is the more compact and powerfully built enthusiastic freshman who is also a physical player who can lean a body into Schweers while Pfannenstein takes a breather. This would not only disrupt Schweers' shooting in her "comfort zone", but it will be a great obstacle to her passing off assists, and will also tire her out in playing the defense she is used to. Whereas usually Schweers offensive output seems to be 100%, someone else on CNU will have to step up to pick up the expected downturn in Schweers offensive production and that percentage is a 50-50 proposition. Force them to play offense with their less acclaimed players.

The box will also give more protection to Herman from fouls, give Ingram and Bolton time to extend their minutes by resting and force someone other than Schweers to pick up the burden from the outside, since a zone in theory cuts off the inner passing lanes and forces a team to shoot from the outside. This game basically could be turned into a 4 on 4 contest, but without Schweers. This leaves W&L with its top 3 scorers, top 3 re-bounders and hot 3 point shooters and the steady presence of floor General Allie Long who has been on a three point tear as of late to contend with 4 CNU players who collectively only score 60% of the CNU points now. All the pressure in theory then will fall onto their shooting guard, and their 5 foot plus forward/guards who will be forced into the spot light. Yes, maybe one or more CNU players will step up to the challenge and carry the load to a win. Maybe Schweers will still get her points and CNU will remain undefeated, but the point is that circumstances call for some 'outside the box' thinking....or in this case,  'playing the percentages' with a box and 1.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 03, 2010, 03:57:37 PM
How I would prepare.

1.   Look at tapes of 11/21/2009 game at CN, W &L was 55-53 at 5:30, 10 unanswered pts (only one lay up by schweers) and 2:44 65-53..why didn't I score?
2.   Obtain tape of 2/14/2010 Ferrum College lost 86-80 in OT at CN.  What was Ferrum doing?
3.   Plan box  & 1, man to man (with hedge help on screens)  Randolph Macon used Maggie on straight man to man with some help and Maggie held her to two foul shots in first half, BUT the score was still tied at half.  But the big issue M Arial had two fouls with 4:41 to go in first half and then got 3rd with just 18 seconds into the 2nd half, RM went zone and once the scorer got off, she got off big.
4.   This is W & L greatest  concern.  You are not deep, most of your starters play 30 mins per game, the local refs will not allow the bump and grind (esp against Schweers)  At the end of every game I have watched near end of season, your very good players were staggering, running on fumes BUT running hard!
5.   Change defenses, box out rebound and hope you get some neutral refs. ::)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on March 03, 2010, 07:04:18 PM
Great discussion! I'm beginning to suspect you're not all amateurs... ;)
A lot of great points here! I agree that defense will be key. The bad news is that I strongly suspect that the box and 1 has been tried, and that Coach Hunter already has a scheme for how to spring Schweers free off of those double screens against it. Also, one or more of those screeners will roll to the basket as Schweers comes around the screen, and she will dish if you take away her shot.
My own take: If you wait until she has the ball to play defense, I think she will kill you. She can shoot with a hand closer to her face than most players I have seen, and her decision making and shot release are very fast. If she has a weakness, it is that she is not very physical - I don't think she likes contact. So, whether in box and 1 or man, someone needs to be close enough to breath on her when she doesn't have the ball, with a hand up between her and the ball at all times. I'd give them help but have them fight through the screens, rather than plan to switch off. And I would bump her on every cut she makes (and hope the refs don't decide to protect her...). Of course, doing all of that will take exceptional defenders.
If W&L can keep Schweers below 15 points (her season low) without freeing Moore and Hopkins for easy shots, I think they have a chance...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 03, 2010, 07:45:29 PM
All good tips, wmjofva & Brookland, but you also help out my points.

Playing Schweers up man to man is obviously what would be needed. Still when a guard is as offensive- minded as she is, they often do not specialize in defense much - if at all.

Pfannenstein with her height would keep Schweers out of her comfort zone, but Wilson comes in for fresh legs as well as to body up, as she is not afraid to do just that.  Last game, Wilson came down for a rebound & was dazed when she fell & had a hard knock.  A physical defense on a 5'7 Schweers may give her pause to think.  Playing the box would help keep Herman out of foul trouble, though that may have been the plan for RMC as well, and Molly was still taken out of her game by the fouls.

Also, is the CMU defense as good as their offense? Could be, but doesn't seem as though they have depended on it as much as their sharp offensive weapons to keep them up in games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on March 03, 2010, 10:12:02 PM
Based on the W&L starting 5 and sixth player (Wilson), rather than a box and one, I would try a very aggressive match-up zone.  Long, Ingram, Pfannenstein and Bolton are quick enough to cover in their zones, or rotate as needed.   Let everyone participate in defending the scorer and force her to pass the ball.

Offensively, I would want Herman to get more touches than she has recently and get her to kick the ball out to Pfannenstein, Ingram or Long who are all shooting great from behind the arc.  The long scoreless streaks that the Generals have suffered this year tend to be caused by turnovers due to over-dribbling on the outside by the guards.  Skip Passes and quick swings will test the CNU defense and also help free up the shooters.

Is it worth it to put some "token" pressure on in the full court after made baskets to slow things down some?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on March 04, 2010, 12:37:51 AM
To some of the points made: CNU's defense may not be as good as its offense, but it may be as good as W&L's, at least statistically:
Pts per game allowed - W&L 58.4, CNU 58.5
Steals per game - W&L 8.1, CNY 10.5

And CNU's offense may be a bit more balanced than you realize. Although Schweers scored about 32% of their points, the rest of the team chipped in 53.4 points per game, more than the rest of the Gennies did with Bolton's points subtracted. One area of real imbalance: Schweers is essentially it for CNU from beyond the arc. For the season, she is 113/232. The rest of the starters combined are only 18/57. W&L's starters are a combined 132/389, but spread pretty evenly over Ingram, Long and Pfannenstein. The situation is a bit reversed inside. CNU has three 5'10 girls  who are a combined 262/569 (.460) from 2-pt range, reasonably close to Bolton and Herman's 248/494 (.502), but I don't think any of them are as tough and dominant as Bolton.
So, I like Duke's box and 1 better than the match-up zone, with wmjofva's man to man thrown in in healthy doses. I absolutely believe that you need someone playing tight and physical defense on Schweers at all times, and I don't think the match-up zone would work as well against their offensive scheme. Some full court pressure wouldn't hurt in the mix. I also think you need to make Schweers work on defense, which I think W&L can do quite well. If W&L can do all of that, win the turnover war, and get big games on both ends of the floor from Bolton and Herman, they should be good. Not too tall an order, is it?  :)
Gee, all this speculation is more fun than a social life!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on March 04, 2010, 10:33:32 AM
How will the regular season champ Maroons perform?  They certainly have the talent with 3 first team all ODAC and Moats and coy Dunnigan.  They did lose to Ferrum by 15 who is in the same conference as CNU.  I still believe that their height will get them through this game.  They will be hard pressed to advance if they get the opportunity on Saturday night.  Sure would like to see a WLU -- RC match-up.   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 04, 2010, 10:54:13 AM
CNN outrebounded W &L in first game..14-15=29 vs 15-21=36; W& L was the best offensive rebounding team in ODAC in my mind.  This means CNN players play bigger than their size.

In the RM/Cnn game; Cnn pressure defense encouraged RM to shoot early in shot clock and often, this made for only playing defense for 6 to 10 sec but then they would go down and probe and work until they had good shot..meaning RM had to play defense 20-26 sec per possession.

Most watch the ball during a game, watch what the other 9 players are doing, it will tell you who is going to win the game.  The defense on Schweers when she doesn't have the ball is more important than when she does.  Ofcourse the best defense on a good player is to get them out of the game with foul trouble. ::)

CNU, Ferrum (that conference got the best of ODAC this year) Roanoke will do fine!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 04, 2010, 04:28:46 PM
I hope the ODAC represents well, and I hate the thought of one ODAC team eliminating the other's dream.  Sappy, I know.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on March 04, 2010, 04:50:39 PM
Just hoping that both win on Friday night.  That would guarantee at least the ODAC would have 1 team in the Sweet 16.  Think of the rivalry and how that would carry over into next year.  I am sure that both will represent the conference well and I agree with whitecaylxx that it would be bittersweet.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 04, 2010, 05:12:33 PM
Using top named team in each bracket (4) and 3/2/10 Esp Coaches' poll; Amherst has 4 ranked teams; George Fox has 9; Illnois Wesleyan has 8 and Kean has 4, so we got good bracket as far as playing ranked teams.  They can't seed due to $ and travel, I think W &L earned better than to play #8 team to start but it is what it is.  I was more impressed with Mary Washington (21-6) than CN (28-0) Three players as big or bigger than Molly A and a guard who would eat Schweers lunch.  There was a back door alley-opp play and she did everything but dunk in the RM/MW game this year.

It's extra practice...will help both Roanoke and W & L regardless how it turns out. Recruiting, player experience, coaches, fans!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on March 04, 2010, 05:54:17 PM
Quote from: Bammer on March 04, 2010, 10:33:32 AM
How will the regular season champ Maroons perform?     
My first reaction is that Roanoke should win by a comfortable margin, but on closer inspection I don't believe it's a sure thing. McDaniel didn't have a great record and lost to some teams that aren't that good, but to make it into the NCAA tournament, they had to win their final three games against two teams that had been ranked for much of the year (beating Gettysburg twice and Muhlenberg once, and knocking Muhlenberg out of the Top 25 with a convincing 72-56 win). The have a lot of height  (4 six footers and only one guard below 5'7) and a 400+ win coach (Becky Martin) who likes to play up-tempo. If Roanoke comes out flat again, I think McDaniel will run right past them. If the Maroons bring their A game, they should be OK.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 04, 2010, 07:28:23 PM
Question:

I thought I saw the RC transfer big girl Moats on crutches, limping in to the Civic Center on Sunday. I this correct? Did she get injured?  It would be a shame going into the Big Dance with 2 ODAC teams, but with one (RC) who is not completely healthy~

Hope I am wrong!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on March 04, 2010, 10:39:56 PM
Yes, I recall she left the last game with what appeared to be an ankle injury, but returned later and, if I remember correctly, finished the game. If she's still on crutches, maybe the injury was more than a simple rolled ankle. I agree that it would be a real shame if she's not healthy. I think we all want the ODAC to show well!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 05, 2010, 12:25:38 PM
Yep, we seem to have some good posts on here for this CNU/W&L game. My final thought is simple and basic: no matter the schemes, game plans or dreams coaches come up with - what it all comes down to in my book is 99% hard work, and 1% fate.

NEVER underestimate that small word "FATE".
Consider:

1.  The game behind the movie Hoosiers
2.  Man O' War versus Upset
3.  The '69 Mets
4.  Villanova versus Patrick Ewing and Georgetown
5.  NC State versus 5 Slamma Jamma
6.  Ruland Gardner versus Alexander Karelin - Olympic Wrestling
7.  USA Hockey's Miracle on Ice
8.  Buster Douglas versus Iron Mike Tyson
9.  Division II Chaminade beating #1 ranked Virginia and Ralph Sampson
10. Division II Appalachian State beating mighty Michigan at the "Big House" in Ann Arbor

It would probably take 10 minutes of googling for each girl at W&L to find out a little bit about all the above sporting events and maybe it might be worth it. They might not win this evening no matter what, but two things are for sure from this moment on for the Generals and their awesome coaching staff and that is...

1. They have EARNED and WON the respect of their ODAC opponents, friends and basketball fans.

2. IT AIN'T OVER TILL IT'S OVER, so with 99% heart & hard work and a 'lil bit of FATE it won't be over for them on Friday night.

PS...Check out #2 on the above list, so if nothing else, you'll know why it's called an UPSET.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on March 05, 2010, 12:41:02 PM
QuoteNEVER underestimate that small word "FATE".
I believe in Nawlins they call it "Destiny"...  :)
But that's still a heckuva list!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on March 05, 2010, 01:02:04 PM
Duke,

Fate/Destiny/Luck - it's better to be lucky than good!  There are more cliches in sports to describe it than we could list here.  Sometimes winning and losing is determined by what a competitor does and sometimes it is due to what the opponent does - fate in sports is created by the action/inaction of individuals and the funny bounces that balls and pucks can take.

GO GENERALS!
GO ROANOKE!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 05, 2010, 08:00:57 PM
Roanoke wins!! 77-66
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 05, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
Nice season for W&L but they go down 51-68

CNU  just too much to handle tonight, not just carried by Schweers either.

Hopefully Roanoke matches up better tomorrow.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 06, 2010, 07:42:39 AM
Yes, for all the game plans to contain Schweers, it really was a team effort by CNU that was Washington and Lee's undoing.  CNU seems to have progressed so much since the beginning of the year.  I was surprised that CNU had such a rebound advantage.  It was a great run for the ODAC tournament winners, though.  Hopefully Roanoke will have the services of Nicci Moats back today.  Does anyone know her status or extent of her injury?  I thought it was impressive that Roanoke was able to advance without her.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on March 06, 2010, 07:36:19 PM
Where is Nicci Moats?  Does this happen everywhere she goes??  CNU is on a 21 - 0 run.  Where is the defense??  I give up!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2010, 08:16:51 PM
CNU Captains = USA South & ODAC champs! ;D

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 06, 2010, 09:13:28 PM
There is a great reason the CNU team is undefeated. Against both of the ODAC teams (despite Roanoke's two D-1 transfers,) CNU just had too many weapons.

Captains went a legit 12 out of 14 deep – plus great coaching by Carolyn Hunter. She ran a full court press every minute of the game against the Gennies, who put only 7 players on the court for the first 38 minutes. Hunter sent in fresh legs from the CNU bench every 3-4 minutes.  Captains were up by 16 at the half and won over W&L by 17 points; 51-68. Still, the Gennies held Schweers to 16 points and the Captain's biggest scorer in the game was Alysa Kerr with 17.  Unsurprisingly, the Gennies, exhausted after the relentless pressure, ran out of legs but still played better in the second half than in the first half. The Gennies held CNU to pretty close to the same scoring margin as they had in November: 17 points.  Allie Long played an amazing 38 minutes with full court pressure.

Unfortunately; the #1 ODAC team, Roanoke, fared even worse than the Generals against CNU tonight.  :(

Although senior Caitlyn Long scored 28 points, no other RC players put up double digits.  Caitlyn will be sorely missed next year for the Maroons. For CNU, Kerr (not Schweers) put up 24 points in the game and Schweers had a double-double against RC (the only one for any team in the NCAA first round weekend) with 18 points and 11 RBs.

Roanoke's only leads of the game were a few 2 point leads early. By half, CNU was up by 17 points: 42-25, and they finished out by downing the Maroons by 24 points: 72 to 48.

Best of luck to the CNU Captains for the rest of the way. Sure would be good to have a Virginia team win it all this year!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on March 08, 2010, 05:11:47 PM
I guess CNU answered our questions: yes, they are more than C. Schweers, yes they can rebound, yes they can play defense.
They look VERY legit to me. And the bad news for everyone else - they're graduating exactly one player (12.1 minutes and 1.2 ppg).
OK, we're down to two Virginia teams, CNU and Marymount, both of whom have not been challenged in their games so far. And if they keep winning they won't play each other until the Final 4. Two VA teams in the Final 4 would be very good for Virginia basketball credibilty. I will be rooting for both of them from here out!
Also, I'd like to thank all of you who made this board one of the most active and interesting on D3boards. (If you don't believe that, just peruse the scarcity of  postings for the USASouth, CAC, Centennial, etc.)
Keep up the good work, folks!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on March 09, 2010, 02:36:36 PM
Congratulations to Becca Bolton from W&L for being named a finalist for the 2010 Women's Basketball State Farm Division 3 All-American Team.  Molly Ariail and Tonia Jones are also finalists.  The ODAC is well represented. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 15, 2010, 11:35:19 AM
CNU is no longer undefeated. Both CNU and Marymount were downed in the Sweet 16:
CNU by Rochester and Marymount by Hope.

For Virginia on the brighter side, ODAC Men's teams RMC and Guilford are still smokin': they're both in the final four on opposite sides of the bracket, though EMU fell in the elite eight:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables

Shows real well for the ODAC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 15, 2010, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: dukeofargyle on March 15, 2010, 11:35:19 AM
CNU is no longer undefeated. Both CNU and Marymount were downed in the Sweet 16:
CNU by Rochester and Marymount by Hope.

For Virginia (emphasis added by hoopstermom) on the brighter side, ODAC Men's teams RMC and Guilford are still smokin': they're both in the final four on opposite sides of the bracket, though EMU fell in the elite eight:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables

Shows real well for the ODAC!



Agree, great showing for the ODAC, and I'm definitely rooting for an all ODAC men's final, but Guilford is in North Carolina.

As for the women.  I'm sorry that Marymount lost and CNU went down to Rochester.  I was actually surprised by the CNU loss in particular.  Would have been great for them to run the table.  I don't think they got the attention they deserved most of the year and some may continue to argue that they were still too highly rated having gone down to an unranked team, but I say congrats to them.  They had a heck of a season and certainly represented Virginia, the USA South conference, and the South Region well.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on March 15, 2010, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 15, 2010, 07:07:49 PM

Agree, great showing for the ODAC, and I'm definitely rooting for an all ODAC men's final, but Guilford is in North Carolina.


Good catch hoostermom, Guilford is in North Carolina.

I realize I'm splitting hairs here, but The Old Dominion Athletic Conference does refer to the Old Dominion, which is NOT North Carolina! Never a bad thing to draw attention to the talent here in the South.

So, here's hoping that one or both ODAC teams play in the men's final.  I maintain it's one of the strongest conferences in the country...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 16, 2010, 11:22:48 AM
All region teams announced!!

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/10/southwom.htm (http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/10/southwom.htm)

ODAC well represented -
Congrats to Molly Arail of Randolph-Macon - First Team selection. Great career for Molly.  She will be missed.

Way to go Jasmine Greene of Holins for 2nd team recognition and
Kaitlyn Long of Roanoke and Becca Bolton of Washington Lee both for 3rd team recognition. 

Other Virginia player selections
Chelsea Schweers of CNU was Player of the Year and another 1st team selection
Kristen Keith of Ferrum 1st team selection
Ashley Washington of Averett 3rd team selection
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on March 17, 2010, 02:01:03 PM
  As a matter of process, how does the highest ranked freshman regional player(Jasmine Greene) not get chosen as ROY?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 19, 2010, 03:17:57 PM
More congratulations to Molly Ariail for her selection to the WBCA and State Farm® NCAA Division III State Farm Coaches' All-America Team.

In addition Becca Bolton of Washington and Lee and Tonia Jones of Virginia Weslyan received Honorable Metion selections. 

http://www.wbca.org/releases/2010DIIISFCAATPR.html (http://www.wbca.org/releases/2010DIIISFCAATPR.html)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 20, 2010, 01:49:14 PM
^Congrats to Molly and Becca Bolton and Tonia Jones.

Hoopstermom, we missed seeing you in Salem!

Lots of our women's team members & coaches were in Salem last night for R-MC's mens Final 4 loss, and many of their parents were there as well.  

That kind of support is what makes R-MC such a great place!!!  We alums appreciate your commitment.

We can't wait til Nov. gets here.  GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 22, 2010, 06:18:54 PM
Molly Ariail named DIII News POY!  Way to go, Molly!

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 29, 2010, 10:12:23 PM
Anyone know if there is going to be an ODAC vs USA South senior all star game again this year?

Just wondering if so, when and where. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on April 03, 2010, 12:36:50 PM
 Katy Bergey the leading scorer in Eastern Mennonite High School history says she will play at Bridgewater.
Katy averaged 18 points and shot 40.1% from 3 point range this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on August 04, 2010, 08:58:07 AM
Congratulations to Abby Pyzik.  Lynchburg made a really good choice.  Given the time, she will develop a strong program. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on August 11, 2010, 06:42:21 PM
The ODAC All-Academic Team is out and women's basketball is well represented. To make the team, one needs to achieve a 3.25 or better GPA. By my count, 55 of last season's players made the All-Academic team. That has to be close to 40% of the combined rosters. Of particular note are W&L with 9 players, EMU with 7, and LC and VWC with 6 each.
Congratulations to all of our outstanding student-athletes! Well done, ladies!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on September 11, 2010, 05:19:07 PM
Molly Ariail signed a pro contract with a European team in Germany!!  I think she's the first R-MC women's player to sign pro.  What other ODAC women's players are playing or have played pro ball in Europe?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on September 11, 2010, 07:28:07 PM
Answered my own question, when I looked up the press release on d3hoops
http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=3872
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on October 04, 2010, 09:50:52 AM
So, it's less than two weeks until practice starts.  New coach at Lynchburg, new Assistants at W&L and RMC.  What are we expecting this year in ODAC Womens Basketball?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on October 05, 2010, 08:22:54 AM
I look for W&L and Roanoke to be a little bit better than the rest of the league and the rest fighting it out.  It will be strange for RMC to not have Molly Ariail.  Roanoke and VWC lost some talented players.  The Generals should be a force to be dealt with come February in Salem. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on October 16, 2010, 06:14:00 PM
Quote from: Bammer on October 05, 2010, 08:22:54 AM
I look for W&L and Roanoke to be a little bit better than the rest of the league and the rest fighting it out.

Bammer, I think that's a reasonable take if by "the rest of the league" you mean the teams that finished in the top seven last season. It seems to me that there is a clear divide in the ODAC between the top seven and the bottom four. EMC and Guilford finished sixth and seventh with 11-9 records in conference play. Lynchburg finished eighth with a record of 6-14 in conference play. That's a five game gap. Coach Pyzik has quite a challenge ahead of her just to move up one place in the standings! (Personally, I'm betting on her.)

Judging only from last year's rosters, Roanoke should still be a force to be reckoned with, RMC has to be weaker without Molly Arial (but still tough), champion W&L and 13-7 Bridgewater should have all of last year's starters back (giving them both a chance to be even better). VWC, EMC, and Guilford have enough talent to be in the mix, but it's not clear how they make a dramatic move. LC and Randolph are both starting over with new coaches but the new Randolph coach will be hamstrung by her predecessor's lack of recruiting success for at least a couple of seasons, so LC has a better chance of winning more games. Emory and Henry could improve but I expect Hollins to remain firmly in last place.

Of course, all of this could be rendered meaningless depending on who shows up when the final rosters are set. A transfer here, a decision not to play there, a spectacular recruit at the other place, can all make a big difference in D3. It certainly makes prognostication fun!!

Now that practice is underway, does anyone have any insights to share?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on October 19, 2010, 02:26:25 PM
OK, I'm ready to start eating my words.  :)
Hollins has posted its roster and new Head Coach Phillips was apparently pretty successful in his prior role as Assistant Coach responsible for recruiting. Eight freshmen on the roster including two 6-footers. I can't judge whether the quantity includes quality, but an impressive job nonetheless. Looks like last year's two quality players (Phillips and Greene) will have a stronger supporting cast, so my prediction of a solid last place finish for Hollins isn't looking as solid. My new predicted last place finisher: Randolph.
It looks like RMC has added three players with height, including a 6-2 center.
E&H also has a boatload of freshmen, but no way to judge for me.

On another topic, does anyone have any thoughts on Shenandoah joining the ODAC for the 2012 season? My one observation: with the addition of the Shenandoah Hornets, the ODAC will surely lead the nation in teams named for stinging insects (Vespidae for you scientifically-minded  :) ) Two Hornets, one Wasps, one Yellow Jackets. We'll get an early preview of potential cheer confusion when Lynchburg and Shenandoah open the season against each other on November 16. All I can say is, "Go Hornets!!"
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on October 19, 2010, 04:14:29 PM
Time for my preseason poll

W&L  Last year's ODAC champion should be tough.  Herman should be a big advantage in most games.  Last year's freshman really contributed and should be at the next level this year.  Bolton is a tough match up and should put up big numbers.  Senior point guard Allie Long is solid.  Expect Ingram to have a poy type year following leading the league in assists and being mvp in the ODAC tournament.

RC  Great size and last 2 years' coy Dunnigan should be in the hunt.  Losing 2 first team all ODAC guards will leave big holes to be filled.  Osborne will be missed as will Long's leadership and scoring.

RMC  Good core and steady coaching.  Look for a strong freshman class. 

BC  This team goes as Jordan Burkholder goes and she can carry a team a long way.

Guilford  Good quickness and aggressive, look for them to provide some upsets

EMU  Good discipline and they make you play their style game

VWC  Big losses with the graduation of Jones and Davis.  Might take a while to find their new identity

Lynchburg  Coach Pyzik will make a difference

E&H  Tough to predict, expect freshman to contribute

Hollins  Talent level seems to be getting better

Randolph  Could be a challenging year

Looking forward to seeing how this stacks up against the board and the coaches preseason poll.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on October 20, 2010, 07:13:50 PM
Bammer,
Nice analysis; I can't argue with anything in it at this point.
Interesting that Roanoke is picked at no.21 in the DIII News preseason Top 25 poll, and W&L is nowhere in sight, not even on the list of "others to watch." No respect for W&L outside the conference, maybe?
I think the Roanoke roster impresses even before they play, but last year showed that sometimes the Roanoke whole can somehow br less than the sum of its parts...
It should be another interesting year in the ODAC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on October 30, 2010, 12:35:25 PM
D3hoops preseason top 25 poll is out at
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/ (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/)
No ODAC teams represented, although Roanoke got a few votes.
The Commonwealth is represented by Christopher Newport at #4 and Mary Washington at #17.
Comments, anyone?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on November 05, 2010, 11:49:55 AM
ODAC Preseason poll is out:

2010-11 ODAC WOMEN'S BASKETBALL PREASON POLL
(#) Denotes First Place Votes

1. Washington and Lee (6) 115 pts.
2. Roanoke (4) 110 pts.
3. Randolph-Macon (1) 97 pts.
4. Bridgewater 83 pts.
5. Eastern Mennonite 76 pts.
6. Virginia Wesleyan 70 pts.
7. Guilford 64 pts.
8. Lynchburg 44 pts.
9. Emory & Henry 30 pts.
10. Hollins 26 pts.
11. Randolph 11 pts.

I notice it bears a striking resemblance to Bammer's preseason poll...only difference is where Guilford is ranked. Nice job, Bammer.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 05, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
Thanks Brookland.  I still like my Guilford pick.  They are athletic and rebound well.  The one thing I have learned from the ODAC is that the regular season is basically just to get an easier first round game in the tournament.  Great that the league is noticing the improvement in the W&L program.  Interesting that RMC got a first place vote.  Time to get started.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on November 05, 2010, 02:07:33 PM
Bammer,
Amen!
I'm also a bit surprised at the RMC first place vote given the loss of Molly Arial. Maybe someone knows something the rest of us don't?
Anyway, I think I see three story lines:
1) Who in the top three will live up to their preseason promise?
2) Who in the middle four will separate themselves from the rest?
2) Who, if any, in the bottom four (where three of the teams have new coaches and "fresh starts") will make a strong move upward?
Only time will tell! On to the season!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BigMac on November 05, 2010, 03:40:28 PM
Well, the top 3 teams in the ODAC will all be getting a test,  all 3 will be playing Mary Washington at the begining of the season.

W&L Vs 11/16, RM Vs 11/19 and Roanoke Vs. 11/20. Should be a great test for UMW also.

Those will be some really good games to go and see. One thing about the coach at UMW she always goes out and gets the best team to play against. Really helps as the season goes along
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on November 05, 2010, 04:32:13 PM
BigMac,
I hadn't realized that, but you make a great point.
There is a reason why Coach Applebury has multiple COY awards to her name...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 08, 2010, 10:43:20 AM
Good points about the ODAC and Mary Washington.  Any predictions on how the 3 ODAC teams will fare?  I predict 1 win and 2 loses for the ODAC.  RMC will probably lose, too young and either W&L or RC will win one.  For the ODAC to get an at large bid the league needs to beat some ranked teams.  I believe that W&L win last year over a ranked Capital team played a big role in RC getting an at large bid.  RC must have learned something since their schedule this year has tougher out of league teams. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BigMac on November 08, 2010, 02:16:46 PM
Bammer, My daughter plays for UMW and believe me they are going to be really good this year. With the older players they have and a few of the freshman they could go deep into the NCAA tournament.

Last season ended at Rochester in a overtime game. Roch ended up in the final four and UMW could have beaten them. UMW is better this season.

So my prediction Vs. the ODAC is UMW will be 3-0 when it's all over. I also believe that UMW will have to work for the "W" and if they take any of these team lightly they will lose to them.

Like I said, these will be some very good games, can not wait for the season to begin
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 08, 2010, 04:38:33 PM
BigMac, if I remember lasts years W&L and UMW was a 2 point game with about 6 minutes to go.  You went on a little run and that was the game.  Game was in Lexington so it will be even harder to break through at your place.  W&L usually starts the season really slow but maybe this year will be different.  This is the 1 game of the 3 that I think the ODAC competes in.  I look for your guards to eat up RC.  They did lose 2 senior first team all ODAC guards.  RMC lost a lot of points and rebounds.  It will take them some time to find their identity.  This will tell me where the Generals are starting.  I have no doubt the UMW will be solid this year and would not be surprised for them to advance far. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on November 08, 2010, 06:54:11 PM
I agree with Bammer on Roanoke and RMC. I think UMW wins those unless they don't show up ready to play.
UMW lost two starters but I don't think either will prove irreplaceable in Coach Applebury's system. They have all of their workhorses back. I have seen Jenna McRae and Katie Wimmer since high school and they can kill you, and Carole Dye, I believe, was CAC Rookie of the Year. I expect them to pick up where they left off. I am familiar with some of their freshmen from high school and AAU ball and I think their effectiveness early in the season will depend heavily on how quickly they adjust to the speed of the college game and Coach A's system in particular (she has a tendency to throw players at you in waves so you cannot rest for a moment).
Having said that, W&L brings back all five starters and their key subs. They may, as Bammer points out, start faster than in previous seasons because of it, and I think that will make them very competitive. If they lose, I'd guess it will be because UMW wears them down with those aforementioned "waves."
My bottom line: pick-em.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on November 16, 2010, 06:56:37 PM
Coach Applebury is one stellar coach, there is little doubt.  Factors to consider: How will the defense fair against the Eagles? The short bench is talented but is it ready? The subs will need to make a difference each and every time they hit the floor.

The Gennies do not have a great record in opening season games, but hopefully with returning everyone and the amazing chemistry that is with any luck still on the team, the Gennies will break out of the gates at a run.  

No doubt that Becca's absence will be felt.  Who will step up? Allie Long is indefatigable at the point – unselfish, with great court vision. Herman can make - or break games; she can be; has been; virtually unstoppable. Ingram is an intense & gutsy player who will light up the scoreboard for double digits every time.  Pfannenstein is as unselfish as it comes and can and does kill you with her 3 point shot.  

Still, last year we saw the Gennies playing exhausted in the first round of NCAA's because of CN's coach sending in MANY fresh talented legs every 3 minutes from their deep and wide bench.  

In 5 minutes the moment we have been waiting on since last year will begin.......
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on November 16, 2010, 08:46:41 PM
54-49 W&L over MWU.  GREAT game defensively for both teams – real low scoring first half ending at W&L 18- MWU 11.  

Amazing performance from Meg Ingram, Kari Ann Pfannanstein & Rachel Warrick who lit it up for a combined 42 points. UMW's guard Rachel Martin poured in 23 points for the Eagles. Seemed like it was Martin vs. W&L in the second half!

W&L up by as much as 16 buckets at one point over the Eagles - the 17th ranked team in the country.  Held the Eagles to 36% shooting...Gennies also had a 19 of 20 performance from the charity stripe. All this with Bolton absent attending Duke and Herman ailing from a knee injury!

Kudos to all the young ladies- way to go in first one out of the gate!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 17, 2010, 08:44:19 AM
What a team effort by the Generals.  Good short handed win on the road.  This is the type win that builds a team and a program.  Now with games between RC, RM, Ferrum and Mary Washington, we should get an early feel for how the ODAC will be early this season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2010, 01:00:49 PM
I was a bit surprised that R-MC beat Marymount, especially by 22, given that the Jackets graduated Molly Arial and a couple of others, and Marymount was 26-1 last season (not counting NCAA tournament game vs Scranton for which there is no score on the Marymont website -- I'm guessing they lost and finished 26-2). I did read that Marymount was short-handed (only six players saw action) for which no explanation was given. But they did seem to have their top three or four players. Still, a good win for R-MC against a team the beat Mary Washington twice last season, while the Jackets struggled against UMW.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on November 17, 2010, 01:03:59 PM
Bammer,
Good call! It looks like bringing back a championship team virtually intact has real benefits for early season play!
As I said before, I don't think the rest of the world gave W&L much respect for their accomplishments last year, with not even a mention in the preseason polls. Of course, those of us in the ODAC knew they were not a fluke, but this was an outstanding win against a ranked team anyway. It will be interesting to see if they get a mention now.
Looking at the box score, I noted that all three of the UMW players I mentioned by name in my own analysis of the matchup had bad games compared to their normal play. That now has me wondering if I have suddenly developed magical jinx powers...  ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on November 17, 2010, 01:18:47 PM
Watched Bridgewater scrimmage Marymount over the weekend, they only had six players then- 6 or 7 did not dress with at least 3 on crutches. Tough way for the new coach to start.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on November 17, 2010, 01:40:30 PM
y_jack_lok,
Actually, Marymount made it to the Sweet 16 and finished 28-2, with their only regular-season loss to UMW, who was beaten by W&L last night, but they lost a legendary coach and a legitimate all-star (Kathleen Brown) as well as three other talented seniors. Having said that, they must really be having a shot of bad luck to only be able to suit up 6 players from a 12-person roster.
I'm sure exhaustion played a major role in at least the magnitude of the loss. But then again, R-MC is a VERY good team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 17, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
BH@OF - How did Bridgewater look in their scrimmage against Marymount?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on November 17, 2010, 02:59:02 PM
Bammer,

The Eagles looked pretty strong, although Marymount's depleted numbers certainly contributed to that impression. The starters would put together runs that resulted in double digit leads, but the Saints would reel them back in when little used reserves and freshmen went in. Bridgewater is pretty quick but not very big. As speculated above, Burkholder is the key but without naming names just yet I think she has some scoring help this year. I'm looking for an improvement record-wise over last year by a game or 2 but I'm not sure that will translate into a higher finish than the predicted fourth place.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2010, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: Brookland on November 17, 2010, 01:40:30 PM
y_jack_lok,
Actually, Marymount made it to the Sweet 16 and finished 28-2, with their only regular-season loss to UMW, who was beaten by W&L last night, but they lost a legendary coach and a legitimate all-star (Kathleen Brown) as well as three other talented seniors. Having said that, they must really be having a shot of bad luck to only be able to suit up 6 players from a 12-person roster.
I'm sure exhaustion played a major role in at least the magnitude of the loss. But then again, R-MC is a VERY good team.

Thanks for that addtional info Brookland. I know R-MC is a good team, but picked third in the ODAC after losing 3 time conference PoY I just wasn't expecting such a good showing against what I figured (knowing nothing about them) to be a really good Marymount team. Hard to know if the result indicates R-MC is perhaps better than I thought, or if Marymount's depleted roster was the main reason for the somewhat lopsided outcome -- or maybe some of both.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 19, 2010, 08:22:31 AM
Looks like Burkholder and Bridgewater got off to a good start.  Saw where Chelsie Schweers and CNU bear a D2 team.  Hopefully, the Generals will be ready to play Saturday against CNU. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 19, 2010, 07:52:21 PM
R-MC over UMW 60-54
Way to go Jackets!

two wins for ODAC over ranked opponent
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on November 19, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
Exciting game in Crenshaw tonight!  Great win for R-MC! 

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 21, 2010, 11:20:30 AM
Tough loss for the Generals.  I thought they would win but fell just short.  This game should be a good building block to make the team better.  Now the focus has to turn to the upcoming conference game.  Got to just put this loss behind and move on.  Looking forward to the ODAC and the game at RMC on December 4 should be a good one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on November 21, 2010, 12:24:11 PM
Congrats to RMC on their win over UMW! 2 ODAC wins over a ranked opponent should draw some attention to this conference.  Roy had a real nice game. Trust that La Haye will use her talent to the fullest.

Interesting that RC lost to UMW yesterday, though Moats put up some impressive points & lived up to her D1 rep from last year in that game.

Bammer,
Though at present the Gennies are short handed, these two games proved that the W&L run to the Championship last year was not a fluke. This team looks good to go with this year's balanced attack. Real exciting to watch. Playing the top teams – win or lose - always pays off in the long run.  I will be interested to see how CNU fares over Messiah next- another ranked opponent.

Ingram's a fierce, intense competitor. She had a great game-  an all-around player that does it all;  has the classic shooters' mentality- she's just going to keep shooting  'til she get her points each game (& she does!) Scores , dishes out assists, picks pockets & even  goes up for the block. Katy Wilson is fearless & as clutch as it comes. Kari Ann had a nice night- I love to see her go off on a trifecta tear like that.

Real nice to have so many scoring options- Yep; I'm pretty confident as well going into conference. The only concern is the short roster. So - Hope everyone stays healthy.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 22, 2010, 09:51:27 AM
Conference play begins!! 

Randolph - VWC  VWC should win in an easy game
LC - BC Bridgewater will create havoc and turnovers for another win.  Good BC web intro
Hollins - EH Picking Hollins to get a road win
RMC - EMU Could be a good game.  Is Danielle Scott over her knee injury?  This game will tell a lot
GC - W&L This has been an exciting series the last 2 years.  Picking the Generals but in a close one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on November 22, 2010, 11:56:55 AM
Danikelle Scott (41) is on roster, hasn't played in any of the three games so far.

College preseason release said : Melissa Lewis was an effective floor general last year, but she has graduated along with guard Ebony Dennis and forward/center Miranda Wolfe. Throw in center Danielle Scott's midseason knee injury in 2009-10 and small forward Brittany Snyder's lingering health issues, and the Royals will need all the leadership they can get.

"We are hoping that Danielle is able to round back into form and get fully healthy," Griffin said. "Right now we are just hoping she can be a contributor. Brittany's health has sidelined her for now. We had hoped she would be able to play and contribute, and we are going to sorely miss her abilities and leadership."

Trying to fill some of those shoes will be a talented recruiting class of three freshmen and two sophomore transfers.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on November 22, 2010, 11:58:28 AM
Danielle Scott hasn't played in any of this season's game according to the box scores....

How do you go back and correct your post?????

Hit the  modify button ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 22, 2010, 04:37:44 PM
Congrats to Meg Ingram, ODAC player of the week. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on November 22, 2010, 07:12:07 PM
Great wins by RMC and W & L over Mary Washington.  The ODAC should get some notice.  Someone commented on W & L's short roster.  I would have thought after last year they would have been able to reload more.  It should be a competitive year in the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 24, 2010, 06:36:47 AM
What happened at EMU to Randolph Macon?  Looks like a real beat down.  EMU is a very tough place play at, real home court advantage.  Looks like the ODAC will be interesting.  Nice wins for Bridgewater and W&L.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: PA Royals Fan on November 24, 2010, 08:53:57 AM
EMU is so young, if they get used to the stress of ODAC play quickly, Coach Griffin might have a sleeper on his hands.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on November 24, 2010, 09:01:22 AM
Box score analysis- EMU over 20 more rebounds and Macon shot a terrible percentage. Bad shooting night, great defense or a combination?
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Post by: y_jack_lok on November 24, 2010, 09:11:20 PM
+1K to BH2OFan for having the coolest screen name I've seen.
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Post by: wmjofva on November 26, 2010, 01:12:37 PM
EM vs RM

For the game EM shot 27 foul shots and RM 8; I don't think that was a factor.  Going 3-23 from 3 pt line was.  If RM comes out bombing and hitting, it's shock and awe!

RM won't say anthing, but Maggie Roy broke her nose last week and it appears she was just a inch or two short on every shot that she normally makes...0-10, I'm sure not running during her recovery from the concussion affected her more than the defense.

It was 6-1 at 13:35 mark/ 20-8 at 4:28; EM got better, RM never did, tho freshmen, Lindsey Sharman showed a nice touch in and around the basket, when the 'mad bombers of Ashland' finally went inside.

Live by the 3 pt, die by the 3 pt..it will be an up and down season for both teams if they don't value the basketball. Turning the ball over sixty  times (EM-32/RM 28) at times it looked like a 3rd grade rec game.

EM got great play from freshman Kala Yoders who finsihed with game high 20.
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Post by: hoopfan112 on November 27, 2010, 04:28:42 PM
Its interesting to see how things have played out so far this season:

Virginia Wesleyan - starting out strong as they have over the past few years.  They have some real tests coming up though with 4 of their next 5 games coming against solid opponents.  Should be fun to see how they do against those teams.

Bridgewater - They appear to have had a solid start but gave up 70 points to a Lynchburg team which has struggled so far this season.  They may need to step up their defense if they want to compete with some of the tougher teams in the ODAC. 

Washington and Lee - having a strong start to the season with impressive performances against CNU and Mary Wash.  Particularly impressive wins without Bolton.  Anyone know when she is going to make her return?  It did seem surprising that Guilford played them so closely though. 

A lot of the middle of the pack teams still have to prove what kind of season they are in store for - Guilford, E&H, EMU, etc. 

I expect big things out of Roanoke and Randolph Macon - they are well coached and are always competitive even if they lose significant players from the year before.  LaHaye and Dunagan will develop their players and be in the top 4 by the end of the season. 

Hollins - the biggest surprise so far this season.  Although they have not really had any early tests they are a surprising 3-1 overall.  It appears they have a lot of young kids playing significant minutes.  Should be interesting to see if their youth shows against better competition. 

Lynchburg and Randolph appear to be having the start of a tough season.  With new coaches both teams will have to adjust and start rebuilding. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 28, 2010, 12:36:36 PM
What about the BC and EMU game this week?  I am going with EMU because it is a home game for them.  Will be interesting to see if EMU can take care of the ball and make Bridgewater play a half court game.  This game is tell a lot about these 2 teams.
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Post by: hoopfan112 on November 29, 2010, 04:36:51 PM
I like EMU over BC at home as well.  Coming off a solid win against RMC they should be playing with confidence.  BC can't afford to give up as many points as they did against Lynchburg. 

With that said, the games tonight are the first games after the Thanksgiving break so these games could be a toss up.  These games will be won or lost on the defensive end.  Teams have been giving up a lot of points so controlling the boards and getting defensive stops will be critical. 
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Post by: gobceagles on November 29, 2010, 11:26:44 PM
Bridgewater defeats EMU tonight 62 - 42 in ODAC Action tonight!  Bridgewater forced 27 turnovers and used stingy defense to stop the Royals attack .  Katie Hottinger was recorded as having 6 blocks officially I had her closer to 10 - 11!  Tonight different players stepped up and played well for the Eagles.  The only EMU lead was 2 -0, and during the second half the BC led by as many of 25 but never let the lead under 20 points. 

Good win for the Eagles. 
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Post by: BH2OFan on November 30, 2010, 07:49:33 AM
GREAT win for BC. They will go a long way this year if they can match the defensive intensity from last night. Burkholder is getting solid scoring help from different players each night- Mullen in the opener, Logan last week vs. Lynchburg and Hottinger last night. Congrats to Jenny Logan for ODAC player of the week honors!
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Post by: Bammer on November 30, 2010, 08:19:30 AM
Good win for Bridgewater.  All road wins are big.  W&L goes to Hollins and wins, Ingram had 18 pts in the first half, 23 for game.  Looking forward to the game Saturday between the Generals and Randolph Macon.
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Post by: RVAHokie on November 30, 2010, 09:24:45 AM
No votes on D3Hoops Top 25 for W&L?  Beat Mary Wash and come very close to taking out CNU and not worth a single vote?  Mary Wash still got more votes (2) than W&L or RMC both which beat them.  I know it's early but c'mon man....
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Post by: hoopstermom on November 30, 2010, 07:58:12 PM
Halftime in Lynchburg

Lynchburg got the early lead and was up by as much as 7 until about 7:30 to go

RMC up 31-23 now, but they have missed 12 lay-ups!!!  What's with that.

Maggie Roy must be feeling better as she is definitely shooting better with 10 pts so far
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Post by: hoopstermom on November 30, 2010, 08:41:51 PM
RMC 48
LC    47

Macon escapes with the win, but only shot 28% from the field and 15% from 3-pt range.  

Macon's going to have a tough season if they don't improve their shooting percentages.  Don't know if it's shot selection or what, but these <30% field and less than 20% on 3's, and also the 50-60 free throw percentages just won't keep them competitive.

And the missed layups (19 for the game!), that's inexcusable.  

I wonder what's been different for them these last few games versus their openers against Marymount and UMW.

Puzzling, but plenty of time for improvement.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on December 01, 2010, 08:20:33 AM
Hoopstermom,

Were you at the game? Looking at the boxscore  Lynchburg didn't shoot much better but cut down on their turnovers somewhat.
Every time I watch the 'Burg it seems they have a real nice 5 minute stretch in each half and can't do much right the rest of the time. The players seem to have the physical tools, but mental lapses kill them. If the new coaching staff can get them over the hump on this I think they'll be much more competitive than predicted.
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Post by: Bammer on December 01, 2010, 08:22:59 AM
Hoopfan112 - Boltan should return after the RMC game this Saturday.  Hopefully, she will be contributing for important games in early January with VWC, RC and BC.  Surprised that RMC is struggling but Coach LaHaye can certainly correct this,
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Post by: hoopstermom on December 01, 2010, 03:49:07 PM
Bammer BH20fan- nope I didn't see in person, only watched the numbers flip on live stats.

It was just that they did perform lower in each shooting category compared to LC and more significantly, have underperformed quite substantially from their 1st games.  Just curious as to the reasons.  For comparison purposes, their stats for 1st five games are:
                           FG%    3P%     FT%
Marymount           43.7   36.7      72.2
UMW                     34.7   38.9      76
Ferrum                  35.1    17.6     83.3
EMU                      26.6    13         50
LC                         28.1    15         60 (was 53% until Maggie hit those last 2 at the                                                                                end of the game)

I speculate it will be difficult for RMC, Lynchburg or any other team that doesn't shoot at least 30% FG% will struggle for wins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on December 01, 2010, 07:49:36 PM
Please keep Coach Janice Joseph-Richard's family in your prayers! She passed away not long ago with her battle with cancer! She was a very dear friend of mine! She leaves a true legacy of courage and perseverance behind! She taught me to be a believer and never give up! May God comfort her family! Love
you Coach Richard! <>< LADY WILDCCAT FOREVER!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gobceagles on December 01, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
Good win for Bridgewater tonight 80 - 55 over the Marlins of VWC.  The eagles had a team victory tonight!  Four players in double figures and shooting 51% from the floor while holding VWC to 29%!  The Eagles turned up the defense and props go out to the BC guards for handling a very tough marlin press. 

The Eagles head to Randolph College this Saturday where they will square off with a familiar face Head Coach Allison Nichols a former standout at BC. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on December 02, 2010, 11:27:31 AM
Looks like the BC stock is going up, RMC in sell mode, RC waiting on more results and W&L looks like a blue chip.  All can change quickly and RMC can redeem themselves this Saturday against the Generals. 
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Post by: wmjofva on December 02, 2010, 12:31:01 PM
Last 15 years RMC has ave 20 wins per season; 25 wins in last 5 years.  The 2005 Team went to National Championship game.  Watching that team and the 2006, 2007 teams one would see the ball moved around as they ran the play options two or three times and then make a one on one move or 3 pt shot with 6 sec or less on shot clock.   Recent times "Tuna" (Amanda Hiltunen) their 3 pt shooter averaged about 40% (47-115 in 2008-2009) 50% from the field; Lindsay Riesbeck was 121-263 (46%) from the field.  So one can understand why RMC supporters are puzzled by the low % of the  shooters.

All those players are gone and the present players must learn their strengths and weaknesses.  Who are really good shooters, where they should take their shots and when.

WHEN is important.  Bobby Knight was talking last year on TV about the 3 pt shot and the shot clock.  He is old school, so his view is somewhat different then most of the young coaches of today.   In girls with 30 sec shot clock...he points out taking the shot with 4 or 5 secs off the clock (24 sec) isn't good as you have plenty of time to work the play to get a closer shot, you need to run the play so the defensive players are not in such a good rebounding position and your offensive player may be able to cut thu to get offensive rebound.  You can always get the long range shot (3 pt).  That shot will be there with 10 sec left on the 30 sec clock. ALSO...if you cross the 1/2 line pass to the wing and the player jacks up the long 3 pter, the defense has only played defense for 4-5 sec, then you have to go back down court and play defense for 30 secs...after a few of those, you are really sucking air!  Also their big players weren't exposed to getting fouls because the ball didn't come into the players they are guarding.

Once RMC players make the extra pass, don't hurry their shots, then their stats will go where they should be.  RMC has some very fine shooters on the present team.
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Post by: whitecaylxx on December 03, 2010, 01:35:06 PM
I can't believe no one has commented on Hollins' 4 wins so far!  They must be thrilled.
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Post by: 2RMCFans on December 05, 2010, 11:50:12 AM
^ thanks for pointing that out, we're happy for Hollins that they've made a good start.

Jackets picked up a big win last night against the talented Generals.  This team is starting to figure out how to play together to maximize their strengths and weaknesses.

Katie Williams had a great night... well-deserved accolades to her, she just never gives up!

GO JACKETS!!!
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Post by: hoopfan112 on December 05, 2010, 08:53:20 PM
What happened to the Generals against RMC?  That point differential was much bigger than anything I expected.  RMC is tough to beat at home so maybe that played into it.  I think W&L will definitely benefit from having Bolton back.  They do not have a lot of depth so having an additional player, much less one the caliber of Bolton, will make them a much stronger team. 

Early on it looks like the team to beat is BC. It appears that BC was a little too strong inside for Randolph yesterday.

Lynchburg loses another close one against Virginia Wesleyan.  Hopefully all of the experience their team is getting in these close games will benefit them down the road. 
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Post by: dukeofargyle on December 06, 2010, 11:35:47 AM
Yes; it was a tough loss. Didn't make the game but streamed it from home.

From what I could make out several factors were in play. Gennies shots just not falling either half- in the 30 % range for both FG & trifectas vs 52% for the Jackets. Big differential in RB's- +11 for the Jackets.  Herman went down on leg that was injured in postseason about 3 minutes into game & played no more after this, so the Generals had no defensive or offensive answer to Jackets young post players for 37 minutes of the game. The Gennies short bench is even shorter in low post with the only center injured and Becca still finishing up her semester at Duke, especially when our many talented backcourt players' shots aren't falling.

True, Crenshaw gym is admittedly a hard place to play.  In checking the boxscore it's interesting to note that each team had 20 TO's and there were almost 40 fouls in the game (pretty equally distributed between the teams). That's an average of 2 referee whistles per minute. Sure can be difficult for either team to enter into a flow in that type of game. Still, all props go to the Jackets, who did a much better job of shooting than the Generals this time around.

Regarding Hollins- this is a great development. Every year brings a new dynamic to the ODAC & it is great to see that Hollins has some new talent coming up. This can only strengthen the conference as a whole. 
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Post by: wmjofva on December 06, 2010, 12:03:34 PM
I enjoyed watching Washington/Lee last year.  They play so hard and really do a good job on offensive rebounding.  You miss Becca Bolton.

If I were a parent of the players playing 30+ mins a game (as so many did last year) I would think the W&L coach was the greatest!!

However if I'm the A/D or longtime fan, I would be concerned, as injury or absence would affect play as it did, AND you only added one freshman after the great season of last year.  What do you do when Bolton & Co depart?

Playing at W/L no doubt has demands that affect who the coach can bring in, but it would appear she could use some help.  She certainly can teach the ones she has.
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Post by: jknezek on December 06, 2010, 03:50:50 PM
W&L is always going to have some issues recruiting, although you'd think it would be easier with small squads like basketball than large squads like football. That being said, I am concerned about the lack of freshman this year. I was hoping to see some carry over from last year into a little more recruiting. Of course, from what I remember about my own recruitment for soccer in the mid 90s, W&L didn't really recruit. Or maybe I just wasn't a priority  ;).

The fact of the matter is, the way the school works is you get in first, and then the coach is going to worry about whether you can play or not. There isn't going to be a whole lot of help getting a kid in the door because, frankly, the admin really isn't all that interested if you can improve the teams. If you are borderline, then being an athlete helps break a tie with another admin candidate, or provides you with the slightest advantage. But if you don't have the grades/test scores/extra-curriculars/alumni parents  ;D, etc., no coach begging or pleading is going to do you any good.

Now don't get me wrong, I know that's how a lot of D3 schools work and they have excellent athletic programs. So I'm not claiming that W&L is all that different since we actually DO have an excellent athletic program (just not in the major sports most of the time!). But I do feel for the coaches when they see a kid that is a great player, wants to come to W&L, but is outside of the top 10% of their class and only has good SAT scores. Cause that poor coach knows that kid is going to be lining up somewhere else. Of course, I also feel bad when they see the kid who has the whole package and then decides to go try and walk on at Wake or Vandy or Duke and ends up playing intramurals quite happily throughout their college career!

Ah well. Lightning in a bottle last year and we definitely have the pieces to make another run this year. If we stay healthy. Some depth would be wonderful, but I'm just not holding my breath!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on December 06, 2010, 04:35:33 PM
My daughter got a letter from a DIII head coach from a very prestigious university  after an AAU tournament her junior year. I called the coach and said that your school was not on our radar, but since you're interested in us do you have any mulligans with the admissions office?  ;) She laughed but hinted that yes, if the grades and SAT's were close that was a conversation she was willing to have with the powers that be.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on December 06, 2010, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: jknezek on December 06, 2010, 03:50:50 PM
W&L is always going to have some issues recruiting, although you'd think it would be easier with small squads like basketball than large squads like football. That being said, I am concerned about the lack of freshman this year. I was hoping to see some carry over from last year into a little more recruiting. Of course, from what I remember about my own recruitment for soccer in the mid 90s, W&L didn't really recruit. Or maybe I just wasn't a priority  ;).

The fact of the matter is, the way the school works is you get in first, and then the coach is going to worry about whether you can play or not. There isn't going to be a whole lot of help getting a kid in the door because, frankly, the admin really isn't all that interested if you can improve the teams. If you are borderline, then being an athlete helps break a tie with another admin candidate, or provides you with the slightest advantage. But if you don't have the grades/test scores/extra-curriculars/alumni parents  ;D, etc., no coach begging or pleading is going to do you any good.

Now don't get me wrong, I know that's how a lot of D3 schools work and they have excellent athletic programs. So I'm not claiming that W&L is all that different since we actually DO have an excellent athletic program (just not in the major sports most of the time!). But I do feel for the coaches when they see a kid that is a great player, wants to come to W&L, but is outside of the top 10% of their class and only has good SAT scores. Cause that poor coach knows that kid is going to be lining up somewhere else. Of course, I also feel bad when they see the kid who has the whole package and then decides to go try and walk on at Wake or Vandy or Duke and ends up playing intramurals quite happily throughout their college career!

Ah well. Lightning in a bottle last year and we definitely have the pieces to make another run this year. If we stay healthy. Some depth would be wonderful, but I'm just not holding my breath!


jknezek; You are very right.  IMO - The recuiting challenges & difficulties will not change at W&L for the coaches, despite ODAC Championship wins... at W&L- why would coaches spend many hours recruiting even within in the academic top 10% of high school athletes, when even this is in itself is no guarantee of admission?

BH20FAN- You are very right, in some cases! Still -  every D/III school is different regarding admissions. I have been told that the W&L admissions office is quite antagonistic to any idea of coaches coming in to persuade them to accept any athletic recuits at all.  The coaches sweat out the admissions decisions along with the recruits.

I repost below what I said last February as regards the subject of W&L recruiting:
Quote from: whitecaylxx on February 10, 2010, 11:42:36 am
I don't think W & L gets a recruiting pass just because they demand high SAT scores.  More and more females (and males ) are playing AAU and League Ball.  There is a ton of talent out there - plus the players have the added bonus of brains to go with the brawn.  You have to play to your strengths.  I agree, though, that playing a basketball season and maintaining good grades at a school like Washington and Lee would be a definite challenge for any athlete.
Bammer:
Not a pass, just a tougher job than the rest of the league's coaches have to perform.  Lots of talented high schoolers and many current ODAC players could not get into W&L.  Also I do not recall 1 transfer suiting up for the Lady Generals ever.  The availability of transfers has certainly helped out the Maroons this year.  I am not complaining, just pointing out what an outstanding job that Coach King and Coach Pyzik have done and continue to do.  This team is in third by 1 1/2 games late in the season.

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Bammer, I am going to have to agree with you, despite caylxx's excellent point that so many more students are now playing extracurricular sports. Even so, numbers don't lie. From a strictly mathematical point of view, it's a widely known fact that those students who are presently applying to college in the USA are made up of roughly 60% women and 40% men.

For a college that admits, let's say, an 80% of its applicants (the average of the acceptance rates for 9 of the 11 ODAC colleges), the pool of possible talented athletes is pretty deep, and the recruiting coach can be relatively secure that his/her often highly decorated high school athletic prospect who is a good 3.0-3.5 GPA student will be accepted and come to play in his/her program.

On the other hand, if there is a college which admits only 20% of its applicants, (W&L's approximate acceptance rate) this issue is even more complicated by the fact that the top academic schools in the country can skim off the top academic women to achieve their 50% ratio of women to men.  Which they do.

Do the math. At W&L, which does have a student gender ratio of about 50%/50%, men would then be getting in at a rate of about 25% to the 16% of women who gain acceptance to make up that total average of 20%, because of the higher number of women that apply.  Which leaves the women's coach in schools such as these recruiting the necessarily smallest number of academically qualified athletes.  

The statement that the players "have the added bonus of brains to go with the brawn" is a good one, except that it begs the point of the original post: which is whether or not the W&L coaches have a harder time recruiting and placing 11 very athletically gifted young women on the floor to field every position in basketball or in any in other sport than do the other coaches in the ODAC.  

Further, I agree that Coaches King and Pyzik have done an exceptional job with this team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on December 06, 2010, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on December 06, 2010, 04:35:33 PM
My daughter got a letter from a DIII head coach from a very prestigious university  after an AAU tournament her junior year. I called the coach and said that your school was not on our radar, but since you're interested in us do you have any mulligans with the admissions office?  ;) She laughed but hinted that yes, if the grades and SAT's were close that was a conversation she was willing to have with the powers that be.

Why wouldn't the coach tell you that? She said if you have grades and SATs then sure. That's about right. Tie goes to the kid with the best extra-curriculars (or the one that rounds out a needed geographic or ethnic subgroup). By telling you to go ahead, you might apply. If she tells you she has no pull, you probably won't bother. From the coach's point of view, she has nothing to lose and everything to gain. One thing I did learn from going to a small school like W&L is that if you can't hack it, it will quickly become apparent. There is no place to hide, no large classes, no standardized tests, no mulligans from professors. Add in NCAA athletics and if you are borderline for that school, it can get challenging in a hurry. On the other hand, some kids do better when faced with the biggest possible mountain...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on December 07, 2010, 02:36:37 PM
An interesting discussion, but at the end of the day recruiting is a difficult job for any DIII coach. Sure, some schools have admissions and financial aid departments that work a little harder for athletes, while others think it an affront to their "purity of mission" to do so, but the coach still has to identify and "land" the talent he or she needs. And even DIII has plenty of recruits who were "all-this" ands "all-that" in high school but just can't cut it at the college level. Sometimes the stumbling block is athletic, sometimes it's sports IQ, sometimes it's academics. Then add the challenge that even the ODAC coach with the easiest admissions criteria and the most generous financial aid office has a tougher recruiting job than your typical DI and DII coach. So, my hat is off to all of the coaches who are able to identify, recruit and develop enough talent to win.
That said, I agree that it is tougher to recruit from the smaller pool of academically-qualified players that can make it into the more demanding schools like W&L, but it's hard to feel sorry for them - they clearly know how to succeed! And isn't that what makes DIII special? As I tell folks, it's the last refuge of the true student-athlete, the player who plays for the love of the game. DI athletes often describe their experience as a "job." How many of our ODAC athletes would say that? They are students first, no matter the school. I think they and their coaches all deserve our respect.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on December 07, 2010, 05:32:08 PM
Alright, time to start stumping for some top 25 votes for Bridgewater. Check my logic: Looked at three teams in the "others receiving votes" category- Mary Washington (9), Baldwin-Wallace (8), and Calvin (2). I chose these as the top three single digit vote getters. UMW is 4-2, average margin of victory 12 points, combined record of teams they beat 7-15. Baldwin-Wallace- 5-1, 13.5, 11-22. Calvin- 5-2, 23, 11-21. Bridgewater 5-0, 22.4, 9-23. Pretty similar. Now I'm sure there is a set of three other teams in this group that has beaten better opponents by more points that invalidates this argument, but I'm just sayin....
Frankly I don't think they will have an opportunity to be recognized until after the New Year based on the schedule (Averett next week, who is 4-0 with a win over EMU, then a holiday tournament) but first up in January is Roanoke followed by Hollins and W&L back to back. We'll know what the Eagles are all about after that stretch.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on December 07, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
BH2OFan,
Have you been following the Top 25 Discussion thread on the Multi-Regional Topics site? That's where you can make your case... although none of it is likely to sway the actual voters...
I would love to see an ODAC team in the Top 25, but unfortunately I agree that won't happen until after the New Year - and more probably not until someone makes it past the first round of the NCAA Tournament. Just look at W&L - won the Conference  and went to the Tournament last year, then returned all five starters and beat a ranked team (UMW) to start the season - but didn't even get a mention in the preseason or since!
Let's face it, those who vote in the poll believe that the ODAC is a weak conference and only consider RMC and Roanoke as possible candidates based on their long records of success. Anyone else probably needs to be undefeated in mid-January to get consideration. In the mean time, we fans just have to be satisfied with enjoying the games.  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on December 08, 2010, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: Brookland on December 07, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
BH2OFan,
Have you been following the Top 25 Discussion thread on the Multi-Regional Topics site? That's where you can make your case... although none of it is likely to sway the actual voters...

Brookland, had not seen that thread before- thanks. I'll state my case there, although I agree it will fall on deaf ears.
With regards to the ODAC being a "weak" conference, I guess I have a better understanding of TCU's and Boise State's arguments now :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on December 08, 2010, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on December 08, 2010, 10:26:49 AM
With regards to the ODAC being a "weak" conference, I guess I have a better understanding of TCU's and Boise State's arguments now :)

yeah, but good thing these polls don't count for crap when it comes to the NCAA tourney.... unlike that darn BCS... :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on December 09, 2010, 11:03:29 AM
Another thing that hurts the ODAC is scheduling.  If the conference wants respect, its teams need to schedule more out of conference games against ranked "name" programs and win some.  The 2 wins over Mary Washington and the close game with CNU will help (RMC and W&L).  This and having teams consistently compete in the NCAA tournament will provide respect. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 09, 2010, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on December 08, 2010, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: Brookland on December 07, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
BH2OFan,
Have you been following the Top 25 Discussion thread on the Multi-Regional Topics site? That's where you can make your case... although none of it is likely to sway the actual voters...

Brookland, had not seen that thread before- thanks. I'll state my case there, although I agree it will fall on deaf ears.
With regards to the ODAC being a "weak" conference, I guess I have a better understanding of TCU's and Boise State's arguments now :)

Hold off on post...Bridgewater is 5-0 but the teams they have beaten are 7-20 in ODAC and Mary Bawin is (I think 2-3 with big loss to W/L.  Teams can't have close games with ranked programs, they have to beat them.    Bridgewater looks good, playing well.  Jordan is playing under control and the rest of the players are starting to look for steals in the passing lanes as she does.  Hottinger is playing out of her mind!   BUT...they are small...What happens when Hottinger has to play players as big or bigger than she is...check the fouls on her of the first 5 games...she will foul out against Roanoke, W &L (if players are back) and RMC.

Check last couple years...ODAC has been playing against Mary Balwin's conference and I think that conference got the best of us last year.   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on December 09, 2010, 02:17:24 PM
It seems that most ODAC teams schedule their out-of-conference games against USA South teams, with a few against CAC teams. That is completely understandable to me, given the geography of those conferences and the scarcity of budget dollars for travel in most programs. (Some other teams spend big $$ traveling to holiday tournaments in far away places where they can be seen by more  folks who vote in the polls - how many ODAC teams can afford that?) Neither the CAC nor the USA South conference is loaded with teams that have name recognition with poll voters, with the exception of Marymount and UMW  in the CAC and, more recently, CNU in the USA South. In the ODAC, those teams are RMC and Roanoke. The rest of us who play teams  other than those mentioned aren't likely to get recognition for playing against CAC and USA South competition. Unfortunate, but at this point unavoidable, IMHO.
ODAC teams also have another disadvantage in trying to schedule more games against ranked teams - conference size. With 11 teams in the ODAC (becoming 12 in 2012 when Shenandoah joins), ODAC teams can only play 5 out-of-conference games (and maybe 3 in 2012). CAC teams (9 in conference) play 9 out-of-conference games, and USA South teams (10 in conference) play 7. The numbers aren't in our favor...
I figure there are only two ways to get poll recognition early in the season: either have a long, recognized history of excellence, or have a spectacular season the previous year with most of your roster back...and the latter doen't work consistently.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on December 09, 2010, 08:26:10 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on December 09, 2010, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on December 08, 2010, 10:26:49 AM
Quote from: Brookland on December 07, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
BH2OFan,
Have you been following the Top 25 Discussion thread on the Multi-Regional Topics site? That's where you can make your case... although none of it is likely to sway the actual voters...

Brookland, had not seen that thread before- thanks. I'll state my case there, although I agree it will fall on deaf ears.
With regards to the ODAC being a "weak" conference, I guess I have a better understanding of TCU's and Boise State's arguments now :)

Hold off on post...Bridgewater is 5-0 but the teams they have beaten are 7-20 in ODAC and Mary Bawin is (I think 2-3 with big loss to W/L.  Teams can't have close games with ranked programs, they have to beat them.    Bridgewater looks good, playing well.  Jordan is playing under control and the rest of the players are starting to look for steals in the passing lanes as she does.  Hottinger is playing out of her mind!   BUT...they are small...What happens when Hottinger has to play players as big or bigger than she is...check the fouls on her of the first 5 games...she will foul out against Roanoke, W &L (if players are back) and RMC.

Check last couple years...ODAC has been playing against Mary Balwin's conference and I think that conference got the best of us last year.   

wjmofva-

Perhaps you missed my earlier post stating my case- I acknowledge the Eagles have a less than stellar resume with regards to strength of schedule so far, but in comparing them with three other teams that ARE getting votes the numbers are virtually identical (margin of victory, opponents record).
That being said I agree that size will be an issue all year, if Hottinger can't stay on the floor it will be a significant problem.

Brookland-

Spot on about geography, budget, and conference size being major factors in the ability to play against stronger competition.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 10, 2010, 10:14:06 AM
Ok BH20 Fan, I read your 12/7/10 post and it was excellent!

Speaking of schedules and recruiting:  Mary Washington hasn't lost since the first two losses to ODAC teams and I'm hoping they keep winning as it helps our records at end of year.  They are going to be in Puerto Rico this xmas, year before last they were in the caribbean (St John's).

Christopher Newport is in Hawaii for Dec, Roanoke goes to Las Vagas and Bridgewater and RM head to Fl. 

I have to laugh, couple years ago we were down watching RM in St John's and I was swiming , feeding the fish and the next day I was sitting in a duck blind at 26 degrees wondering was I really there.

If I am a lanky basketball player who had put the time in to hone my skills, I would find those trips interesting vs spending my holiday ice skating on a local frozen pond ;D

So when you get the letter asking to help the school or a department you are interested in- respond the best you can!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 10, 2010, 01:04:05 PM
Calvin Rides Three-Ball Attack in Upset Victory Over Fifth-Ranked Carthage
Wednesday, December 08, 2010
Box Score

Baldwin-Wallace -Last year played until 3/5/j10 had 24-5 record, was in NCAA till 2nd round loss to Hope, which is ranked very high this year (2nd at present)

So past history helps!

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2010-11/week2
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on December 13, 2010, 09:06:27 AM
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Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Rank    Pts    Team W-L    Results
--- --- Bridgewater (Va.) 5-0 IDLE

(The last entry is there because of BH20Fan's post; no additional information at this point because Bridgewater has no games scheduled until Tuesday.)


Quote from: BH2OFan on December 09, 2010, 08:42:52 pm
...
Alright, time to start stumping for some top 25 votes for Bridgewater.
...


The seed is planted :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 14, 2010, 12:38:06 PM
Bad news!  Mary Washington lost to Marymounts' 7 52-53.....The early season victories for ODAC won't count for much as MW falls from the rankings as fast as a kawk dives for field mice.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 14, 2010, 02:50:18 PM
Hope everyone has a great Christmas!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on December 18, 2010, 06:51:26 PM
Wow... this board is QUIET... hope the Jackets have a good time in FL and we'll be listening as best we can.

Wishing a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to ALL! 

GO JACKETS!!   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on December 19, 2010, 07:29:59 AM
With the Eagles in FL, they rocked Ottowa (KS) by 18 yesterday and tip at 8AM against Manchester (IN). Am I back on the AAU circuit???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on December 20, 2010, 11:51:39 AM
BC beats Manchester 73-56, Burkholder sits a large chunk of the 2nd half with foul trouble but Mullen picks up the slack with 23. Could have been 30 but I guess the refs had a plane to catch, physical game called poorly both ways. So 8-0 with Roanoke looming Jan 4- the Top 25 message board lists BC as a 'team to watch" since my post :) Will know tomorrow if it's enough.
By the way, If you have the opportunity to spend a long weekend in Florida while it's 30 degrees in Virginia, I highly recommend it 8-)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 20, 2010, 12:25:22 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on December 19, 2010, 07:29:59 AM
8AM against Manchester (IN). Am I back on the AAU circuit???

that's funny.. ;)  Loved those 8 am games...with two to follow that afternoon and evening.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on December 27, 2010, 12:42:11 PM
Looking forward to the next 2 weeks of conference play.  Everyone should have a much better idea on where their team stands after those games.  A big welcome back to the Generals' Becca Bolton.  She has finished up her fellowship at Duke.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 03, 2011, 12:41:28 PM
Predictions on 2 big conference games tomorrow?  I will go with the home teams, W&L over VWC and RC over BC.  Really interested in how BC will match up to RC inside.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 04, 2011, 08:43:31 AM
I'll say W&L.... and pick-em in Roanoke. Should be a good one-
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 04, 2011, 10:42:32 AM
My take:
Roanoke will win the rebounding battle.
If BC has 5 more steals than RC or better, and hits 35% or better from 3-pt range, BC wins. Otherwise, RC wins.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 04, 2011, 11:09:57 AM
I still believe just like last year that BC goes as far as Burkholder goes.  If RC takes care of the ball, rebounds well then BC must execute a half court offense.  You must make Burkholder pay for overplaying and going for the steals on the wing.  Backdoor cuts can work.  BC guards may be the equalizer in this game.  RC did lose 2 first team all ODAC guards.  It is hard to go against COY Dunnigan and RC at home.  Should be a good contest.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 05, 2011, 10:44:02 AM
Moats Layup Caps Comeback in 65-63 Win over Bridgewater




The Eagles built their lead to as high as 16 points before Jordan Burkholder picked up her fourth foul with 18 minutes left in the game. Bridgewater kept Roanoke at bay, not letting them get within single digits for long.


Mullen led Bridgewater with a career-best 30 points and three steals. She shot a perfect 14-of-14 from the free-throw line, 7-of-14 from the floor. Sarah Boeren came off the bench to finish with seven points and four rebounds. Burkholder, the ODAC leading-scorer, was held to four points, but produced five rebounds while leading the Eagles with five assists and four steals.


Game reports states Roanoke got a lot of 2nd chance points.  Moats scored the last basket on the 3rd attempt.   Size matters and Bridgewater will be affected by lack of size the whole year when playing these big teams.   Jordan must learn that staying on the floor is more important than getting steals, as she is the oil that make the machine run.  Mullen led Bridgewater with a career-best 30 points and three steals. She shot a perfect 14-of-14 from the free-throw line, 7-of-14 from the floor
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 05, 2011, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: Bammer on January 04, 2011, 11:09:57 AM
I still believe just like last year that BC goes as far as Burkholder goes. 

Last night's contest both validates and refutes your statement. BC played equal or (much) better than Roanoke for basically 36 minutes, during which Jordan was on the court for only 14. So they can get it done without her against the best the league has to offer (not disrespecting anyone else by saying that). It seemed like the girls said "OK, we gotta step it up until she's back in the game". But it's a 40 minute game. When she fouled out with about 4 minutes to go is when the Eagles tightened up. Then is was like "uh-oh, she ain't coming back".
Tremendous effort by both clubs- BC running it up like they did and Roanoke's furious comeback. Congrats on the win.
If you would have told me before the game that Jordan plays 14 minutes, scores 4 points and Roanoke needed a last-second bucket from a Tennessee recruit to win I would take it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 05, 2011, 02:00:04 PM
Must have been a great game.  2 questions:
1. Turnovers BC 29 and RC 27 Great defense or sloppy?
2. How did a guard get to shoot 14 free throws?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 05, 2011, 02:50:20 PM
1. Sloppy (mostly)- the layoff was evident on both sides. Moats was whistled for traveling 4 or 5 times (one was wrong).
2. Takin it to the rack, baby ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 06, 2011, 12:03:16 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on January 05, 2011, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: Bammer on January 04, 2011, 11:09:57 AM
I still believe just like last year that BC goes as far as Burkholder goes. 

Last night's contest both validates and refutes your statement. BC played equal or (much) better than Roanoke for basically 36 minutes, during which Jordan was on the court for only 14. So they can get it done without her against the best the league has to offer (not disrespecting anyone else by saying that). It seemed like the girls said "OK, we gotta step it up until she's back in the game". But it's a 40 minute game. When she fouled out with about 4 minutes to go is when the Eagles tightened up. Then is was like "uh-oh, she ain't coming back".

If you look back at games the last 4 years this is what happens.....Bridgewater plays well as long as they have her or can look over and see her..... It appears Roanoke said..ok we are going to limit her shots...she normally takes 16-20 a game.  This allows other players to get good looks...but Jordan is the key.  It is what it is.  There is nothing wrong with looking to your best player.  It's good a team knows who it's best player is.  In fact as a coach, if the team doesn't know...I tell them.  In key times you want the best player to touch the ball in at least 2 of 3 possessions .

Jordan has had 3 years to learn  how to stay in games.  The first year she lead the league in tech fouls and steals.....I suspect if you check you will find she has fouled out of more games in the four years than any other starter on any other team......hello????any one there???

Great game for the league however!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 06, 2011, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 06, 2011, 12:03:16 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on January 05, 2011, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: Bammer on January 04, 2011, 11:09:57 AM
I still believe just like last year that BC goes as far as Burkholder goes. 



It appears Roanoke said..ok we are going to limit her shots...she normally takes 16-20 a game. 




Remember she was only on the floor for 16 minutes due to foul trouble- hard to get off many shots from the bench. Parents who have seen all four years tell me that in the past Roanoke would have sewn that game up by halftime with her on the bench. Roanoke sure missed Mullen on the scouting report.

I haven't been around all of her 4 years but I buy into what you say about learning to stay on the floor.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 07, 2011, 08:11:32 AM
Looking forward to welcoming the women back to Crenshaw tonight!

Happy New Year to all!

GO JACKETS!!!!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 07, 2011, 09:02:17 AM
Big game tonight between the Generals and Maroons.  Could come down to who can keep their bigs out of foul trouble.  Senior Felice Herman has had some good games against Molly Arial so I believe that she will hold her own against Moats.  Gholson is the player that concerns me the most.  Hopefully, Bolton and Wilson will offset her.  Should be a good game and I am picking the Generals by 5.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 07, 2011, 02:13:16 PM
Two foul rule:

Many years ago, a very successful college coach with 4 McDonald All- Americans, one or two on bench, pulled his (no doubt going to NBA) All American when he picked up his 2nd foul in the first half and didn't play again until start of 3rd quarter and replaced with another  McDonald All-American who was on bench.

TV guys commented on how smart that was and everyone from 7th grade to Div I started doing it.  

It's great idea, especially if you have 3 or 4 McDonald All Americans on the team.  However if your Div III or h/s not too sure the replacement is going to fill the hole.  Let's look at what happens.  Player A1 picks up 2nd foul with 10 mins to go in half.  She sits for the next 15-20 mins it takes to play the 10min, then sits 15 min for the half time period.  So she hasn't played in 30-35 mins, the sweat is gone, little flow of the game...doesn't surprise me when the player will pick up the 3rd foul quickly in the 3rd period.  Last year Roanoke was playing RM, the girl guarding Molly picked up two fouls in less than 45 seconds into the game.  Rightfully she was taken out of the game so Roanoke could check to see if the three referees were RM graduates.  However instead of sitting all that time, when Molly went out, they put her back in to get some playing time and stay in the flow, but took her out when Molly came back.   At the end of the game she made key basket that helped Roanoke win at home.

One might start when the very good player is a freshmen and let her play, letting her foul out of a game you are going to win regardless, so she could learn how to play with four fouls.  That's old school.  I have seen so many games lost Div 1,Div111 where the team had a lead...took player out because it's "two foul rule" and lost lead and game because the player never got into the flow of the game.  If I winning the game...large lead in 3rd quarter...(if 20 min half's..I'm talking first 10 mins after the half, then doesn't matter if I foul out in last 5)

Now you do have to take a player out like Roanoke did until the refs and the player calm down.  And some players never learn but I have seen more games lost to this two foul idea than won by it.  :P

I also love when a player who needs to score or have a good game, is having such a game and it taken out because of this "rule"..even tho you know the team is going to beat the other team by 30 points....I want to prepare the players to play well in the tournament...when it counts...no one remembers that you beat x...team 98-30 in January.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 09, 2011, 08:13:34 AM
(slinks in after retiring as a lobbyist on the Top 25 Discussion board)

W&L drums BC by 20, 87-67. Generals shot lights out, over 50% overall and 48% from 3 point land. Burkholder fouls out (again) but that wasn't as big a factor as the Roanoke game. The Eagles used too much energy at the start of the second half to cut a double digit halftime deficit to two, and ran out of gas.
Jessica Mullen had quite a week for the Eagles, 30 at Roanoke, 28 vs. Hollins and 19 yesterday. Also a perfect 26-26 at the charity stripe.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 12, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
The Jackets got a big road win in VA Beach last night... good job! 

Hoping this weekend on the road goes just as well & wishing safe travels to everyone.

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 12, 2011, 12:44:55 PM
EM 70=WL 69..in ot

HARRISONBURG, VA -- While the defense should be credited for holding a talented Washington & Lee squad in check, Danielle Rittenhouse's (Lancaster, Pa./Lampeter-Strasburg) jumper with 1:48 left in overtime provided the difference on the scoreboard, as Eastern Mennonite knocked off the Generals in Harrisonburg Tuesday night. The women battled back from a four-point deficit late in regulation before Rittenhouse sealed the win in OT over last year's conference champions...***quote from newspaper**...I dont think it's defense if you allow 69 pts????

Great game to watch.  It was so evenly matched...they had to play an extra 5 mins.  I was hoping for double ot.



EMU Coach Kevin Griffin was thrilled with the game.

"That's a huge win," he said. "W&L is a veteran team, a really good team. They won the ODAC last year and for as young as we are that's just a big win."

The women got 60 of their 70 points from freshmen and sophomores, lead by Lamneck's 15. She also hauled in 12 rebounds to post a double double. Rittenhouse had 13 and three assists while Yoders had 13 and seven rebounds off the bench. ***quote from newpaper

W&L isn't the same team they were last year..yet...Becca Bolton is still trying to play her way back into shape.  Never that quick..by just hard work , scrapper...she isn't playing her normal 'bulldog' fashion.  It shows on few offensive rebounds and shots she took near end were short and that really hurt them at end, when she normally takes over...and last night she couldn't finish.

Every one should see at least one EMU home game...one of the players father's antics is worth the price of admission.  As they won, he splinted across the court and jumped on Coach Kevin Griffin as tho they had won the National Championship of the Country!!
Good thing his daughter can play. ::)

I only saw 3 (students?) sitting behind W& L bench as supporters, that's too bad..the girls lost but they really played hard and it was a great game to watch!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 14, 2011, 09:49:01 AM
W & L has been very inconsistent this year.  I was curious how they would do against Bridgewater after the loss to Roanoke.  As wmjofva said though, Bridgewater does not seem to have the big players to stop W & L.  Impressive 20 point win by the Generals.  I missed the EMU game - not sure what happened there!  If W & L wants to win the ODAC, they will have to play some good defense.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 14, 2011, 10:22:05 AM
I agree with you whitecaylxx, the Generals must step it up on the defensive end and rebounding must improve.  Got to be able to win when the shooting is not good.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 14, 2011, 05:38:59 PM
Quote from: whitecaylxx on January 14, 2011, 09:49:01 AM
W & L has been very inconsistent this year.  I was curious how they would do against Bridgewater after the loss to Roanoke.  As wmjofva said though, Bridgewater does not seem to have the big players to stop W & L.  Impressive 20 point win by the Generals.  I missed the EMU game - not sure what happened there!  If W & L wants to win the ODAC, they will have to play some good defense.

It was an impressive win, but more attributable to shooting than size- over 50% overall, 48% from 3. I recall Herman dominating the post vs. BC last year, not so much last week (still hurt?). Bolton not all the way back in shape yet. BC will struggle with size, but that's not why they lost this one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 14, 2011, 08:45:40 PM
The Jackets get another key road win in Roanoke 73-71 against a very talented Maroons team... way to GO, JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 15, 2011, 02:47:26 PM
Great job by RMC.  What an outstanding job coaching this team.  They have really surprised me.  Looks like a very competitive upper half of the league,
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: RVAHokie on January 16, 2011, 08:13:08 PM
Congrats to Meg Ingram who scored her 1,000 point this afternoon at Lexington!  Well done Meg, great job and you still have another year and a half to go.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 17, 2011, 12:45:52 PM
Yes; awesome, Meg!

The Gennie's Class of 2012 has been very, very good to us, the basketball fans...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 19, 2011, 03:41:52 PM
Couple of good games this weekend, EMU@W&L; BC@RMC.  The Generals seem to be coming into form.  Bolton has produced lately like we were accustomed to last year.  This is a crucial game if the Generals want to get a good seeding in the tournament.  A BC win would help out the Generals also.  Any predictions on these 2 games?   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 19, 2011, 03:56:33 PM
Quick rematch for EMU-W&L; just last week watched the end of regulation and OT online. I'll go with W&L at home. I also like BC (go figure) for a big road win, just a hunch.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 20, 2011, 11:17:07 AM
The W&L /EMU game won't go to overtime this time. ;)  That last game at EMU seems to have stirred Bolton.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 21, 2011, 08:56:17 AM
No predictions from us... but we know what a big game this one in Ashland is tomorrow.  We're looking forward to seeing it!

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 22, 2011, 06:18:18 PM
The Jackets win big at home today against BC! 

Way to go, Jackets! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 25, 2011, 09:52:11 AM
Is Madison Dulaney OK?  Have not seen her in the RMC box score after Christmas.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 25, 2011, 10:15:53 AM
1/25/11 schedule will feature EMU vs Bridgewater.  The young EMU players are still learning how to close out games they have won and Bridgewater will want to get back on the winning tract.

With the exception of RM, Roanoke and W&L, teams will be playing for position in the tournament and peaking at that time.

It's good to see Hollins is playing much better this year and the E&H game this evening should be a good one.

Va W is always trouble at home, so W&L must be prepared.  It appears the injury to their center is a factor in the way they are playing.

It appears from the stats that RM shot selections have improved.  The loss for the season due to injury of one of their up and coming good guards gave more playing time to their other guards and it's stunning to see how their shooting % went up.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 25, 2011, 11:07:20 AM
Quote from: Bammer on January 25, 2011, 09:52:11 AM
Is Madison Dulaney OK?  Have not seen her in the RMC box score after Christmas.

Madison had a foot injury that needed surgery last year.  She tried to avoid it and play tho it this year...after 9 games it became apparent she had to have the surgery.  This has been done and they are looking forward to  her coming back next year.  Having watched Molly A and Renee play tho stuff last year, she tried but it wasn't to be.

The hard (but legal) floor of RM has taken it's toll on the women over the years.  The men love it, the ball comes up very well, but structure of women's bodies doesn't do well..vollyball, basket ball etc...I have seen the floor affect their play more than any ODAC  defense.

The 20 mins a game Madison was getting  has been spread out among the other guards, as well as finding someone else to run point behind Jennifer(who has played hurt her entire career)  The team has responded very well.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 26, 2011, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 25, 2011, 10:15:53 AM
1/25/11 schedule will feature EMU vs Bridgewater.  The young EMU players are still learning how to close out games they have won and Bridgewater will want to get back on the winning tract.
If there's a winning "tract", what's the address and is it for sale?  Or am I headed down a losing "track"?  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 26, 2011, 09:19:39 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 25, 2011, 10:15:53 AM

With the exception of RM, Roanoke and W&L, teams will be playing for position in the tournament and peaking at that time.



W&L is playing for their tournament seeding lives, particularly after last night. I predict the RMC-Roanoke rematch winner takes the regular season title. BC has their 3 losses against the 3 teams above, with all 3 rematches at home- I like them winning 2 of 3 but couldn't tell you which ones.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 26, 2011, 09:59:34 AM
Disappointing performance last night for the Generals but I would not write them off just yet.  They are about on the pace of last year and a third place seeding.  They did OK last year from the 3 slot.  Lots of bball to be played.  This year's Generals team is unique with Bolton coming back in the second semester and some injuries.  Hopefully they will peak at the right time.  It will be interesting to see how Burkholder does down the stretch.  She has posted nice numbers but can she carry a team in critical games?  It should be a great finish to the season and an exciting time in Salem with a competitive tournament.  Good win for BC last night.  They are especially tough at home.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on January 26, 2011, 04:28:49 PM
"Disappointing" seems to be an appropriate phrase for W & L's season, thus far.  After last year's results, there was no reason not to be close to a "repeat".  One person's slow healing injury should not be "making it, or breaking it" for the Generals.  As I have said before, it is odd that the Generals did not reload this season.  Nevertheless, there is still time to right the ship.  As for Burkholder and Jean Willi - I sure wouldn't count them out!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 27, 2011, 02:45:47 PM
Jordan Burkholder will become the all time leading scorer in Bridgewater women's basketball history and lead them to a very fine year.  Coach Jean Willi has many good basketball players but not as many as some of the other programs.  She finds a way...Jessica Mullen has become a book end to Burkholder but the lack of quality bigs to back up Hottinger is an issue. Their style is to attack with aggresive defense and that is helped by the 'small' gym at Bridgewater.

W&L last year played most of the starters 30+ min a game..that caught my eye; if everyone is back but not in the same mind set or is 'dinged', that really does hurt you...as discussed before, if there are school lmits on getting quality freshmen then it's much harder.  I think W&L players and staff will right the ship. They play smart basketball, share and value the ball.

Bridgewater is 0-3 against odac's best....If you check you will find they havn't beaten anyone that isn't around .500.....Ottawa is 7-13; Manchester 9-9.  However they may hold the key to who is the ODAC regular season champ and if indeed thay can go 2-1 against the big 3...they could be in the fight for regular season championship.  I for one, hope they do go 2-1.as long as it's the right 2-1 ::)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on January 28, 2011, 07:18:11 AM
IMO, The situation at W&L is more a combination of "little things" than anything major.

A. Bolton joining back in the second semester and missing out on all pre-season and the first month of the season.
B. Lingering injuries to Herman with resulting changes in internal dynamics & lineup.
C. Integrating the sophomore class into major playing roles whereas most all the starters last year played 30 some minutes per game.
D. Losing a highly talented and experienced assistant coach to Lynchburg and that position being replaced by a first year assistant with much potential but no experience.
E. Finally the 'curse' of being picked pre-season favorite which only adds a 'bulls eye' to the Gennies back and makes each and every game much more intense and more competitive for them. Witness to this from EMU website after a 1 point EMU OT win: "Coach Kevin Griffin was thrilled with the game. "That's a huge win," he said. "W&L is a veteran team, a really good team. They won the ODAC last year and for as young as we are that's just a big win."

While all the above and more have played a part in a less than expected performance at some games in regular season, I will agree with Bammer that W&L is in better shape than last year and placing themselves into a potential third seed from which they won it all last year. Hopefully, Coach King can get back to playing the same team that 'brung 'em there' last year. I believe W&L has one of the best 1 through 5 lineups in the conference.

These young ladies are a group of intense, hardworking overachievers and Coach King knows her business. Providing the focus & the chemistry holds true and the healing continues, IMO the Gennies will be a much harder team to beat in the tournament then they have been in the regular season so far.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 29, 2011, 06:15:01 PM
The Jackets earned a big win today at home against VWC: 67-53.  It was a great day with lots of alumni on hand and a bigger crowd of fans than ever.  Way to go, R-MC women's hoops!

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 31, 2011, 09:09:33 AM
Some good games this week.  Starting it off will be RC @ BC.  BC lost a heart breaker at RC so I look for them to return the favor.  I believe the BC guards will be a big enough advantage to offset the height advantage of RC.  This is a big game for BC to show they can beat a tough team.  Their last game was turnover city.  The team that takes care of the ball should win and BC has better guards.  It is great that BC and RMC have such good turnouts for their games. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 02, 2011, 07:49:36 AM
BIG BC win last night- tremendous halftime adjustment by the coaching staff. Moats/Goulson had 15 and 12 respectively at the half, finished with 19 and 18. Burkholder a triple-double, missing the quadruple by only 3 steals. Mullen 27 points to follow up her 30 in the first meeting. Logan and Hottinger in double figures. Great crowd- the Eagles have 5 of 7 at home to finish the year which will be a huge advantage.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 02, 2011, 09:50:22 AM
In post game radio show, Coach Willi said she 'challenged' Hottinger during half time to play better , she really responded, going 9-11 from the foul line, showing she was positive going to the basket! 

At the end of the first half, I thought Bridgewater had played as well as they could ..but were behind 40-45.   The defensive change really helped.  It was a total team effort, but it shows what the team can do if Jordan keeps herself on the floor....she has been told that for four years.  On a night she was honored as setting a school record for most points scored in four year period, she may have set another school record.  Willi said she doesn't know if anyone had ever had a triple-double...3 more steals and it would have been quadruple.


R-MC played a complete game as they shot 49.3% from the field including a 7-for-18 mark from three and held a 47-38 rebounding edge.
R-MC Junior Taylor Wieczorek scored a career high 21 points and set another career mark with 19 rebounds as Randolph-Macon Women's Basketball downed Eastern Mennonite 82-58 in Ashland Tuesday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:27:49 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 03, 2011, 09:32:18 AM
The first record is in-region record, followed by overall record.

At first I thought they had RM-C wrong, but the first record isn't the conference, it's the "in-region'....that would be loss to Ferrum and EMC (conference).

Great we have two ODAC teams rated; If Bridgewater can keep playing as they did, we could have three going into the ODAC tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 03, 2011, 11:31:00 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 03, 2011, 09:32:18 AM
Great we have two ODAC teams rated; If Bridgewater can keep playing as they did, we could have three going into the ODAC tournament.

I am new to regional rankings, but I suspect that if BC moves in it will be at the expense of RC and/or RMC instead of in addition to as head to head outcomes (1 down, 1 to go :)) with those clubs help BC the most. Of course results throughout the region could have all 3 there.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 03, 2011, 12:04:39 PM
Yes, it would be very hard for three ODAC teams to be in the regional ranking...actually if one is ranked high, that helps in case top seeded (and ranked) team doesn't win the ODAC tournament...like last year.

However if Bridgewater keeps winning and playing like they did against Roanoke then they are going to present a very nice package.  Roanoke will finish out the season with only RM-C presenting a problem...and ranked teams beating each other isn't so bad.

If Bridgewater beats W &L, and loses to RM-C, I don't think that hurts them..if they keep playing well and winning.  W&L could loss their next three games..they play Roanoke, Bridgewater and then RM-C.

Ofcourse everyone could beat everyone and nobody is ranked and only the winner of the ODAC tournament goes. ::)

I would love to see the W &L games...they will be playing out of their minds to avoid being 5/6 or 7th in the conference standings!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 03, 2011, 01:04:35 PM
South Region
1. Greensboro 17-0 18-0
2. Christopher Newport 16-2 18-2
3. Louisiana College 15-1 17-1
4. Randolph-Macon 14-2 14-4
5. Roanoke 11-3 11-4
6. Texas-Dallas 15-4 16-4

D-3 hoops.com top 25 has #10 Christopher Newport and #16 Greensboro, Greensboro on 1/23/2011 beat CN at home; Christopher Newport is a very, very good team...it's other loss was to Thomas Moore in Hawaii on 12/19 and today Thomas Moore is rated #1 in the D-3 hoops.com top 25.

While the NCAA really places the teams A,B,C, it's of value to see these "top 25', regional ratings ....What we really should want for the ODAC conference is that our best team, best chance to advance, go to the NCAA's..this helps the conference rep in future ratings.  
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 03, 2011, 01:32:05 PM
I doubt that W&L will be a 7 seed.  They could also win the next 3 games and BC could be looking at a 4 or 5 seeding like last year.  I would not be so quick to put RMC, RC and BC in the NCAA just yet.  A lot of basketball to be played.  RMC amazes me yet I expect them to come back to earth.  RC has not shown the ability in big games over the last few years.  I still say BC goes as far as Burkholder and she has played superbly - so far.  The ODAC soap opera still holds suspense and I think your reigning ODAC champion will have a big say on how it unfolds.  It should be a great February for everybody.  This is what makes for a strong conference.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 04, 2011, 07:55:18 AM
Getting wayyyy ahead of ourselves for just a minute, what are the tiebreakers for tournament seeding for teams with the same record?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 04, 2011, 08:09:50 AM
I believe the first tie-breaker is head-to- head games.  This makes the Saturday W&L-BC even more important for seeding purposes.  I am not so sure that seedings will be as important this year with the league having more parity.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 04, 2011, 08:31:43 AM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 03, 2011, 11:31:00 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 03, 2011, 09:32:18 AM
Great we have two ODAC teams rated; If Bridgewater can keep playing as they did, we could have three going into the ODAC tournament.

I am new to regional rankings, but I suspect that if BC moves in it will be at the expense of RC and/or RMC instead of in addition to as head to head outcomes (1 down, 1 to go :)) with those clubs help BC the most. Of course results throughout the region could have all 3 there.


It will be tough to get 3 teams in.  The GSAC, ASC still have teams that could be ranked too.  With Bridgewater losing to both Roanoke and Randolph-Macon, its pretty unlikely to see 3 teams in from the ODAC.  In my mind, Bridgewater would have to win out, to even give themselves a chance to be ranked.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 04, 2011, 09:02:20 AM
I believe that it will be tough to get 2 teams from the ODAC in.  There are not enough quality wins to turn heads and get votes and there are some bad loses also. I heard that RC just barely got in last year and they had a really good record (but no quality wins).  Winning in Salem is the only sure way to go to the NCAA.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 04, 2011, 10:20:42 AM
I agree with Bammer, after learning on the Top 25 forum there are 40+ conference bids it will be very hard to get an at-large. You can do everything right but have other tournament upsets dictate more deserving bids. In other words if you want to dance, Just Win Baby :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 04, 2011, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 04, 2011, 09:02:20 AM
I believe that it will be tough to get 2 teams from the ODAC in.  There are not enough quality wins to turn heads and get votes and there are some bad loses also. I heard that RC just barely got in last year and they had a really good record (but no quality wins).  Winning in Salem is the only sure way to go to the NCAA.

If 5 teams from the south got in last year and that is any indication for this year

Pool A:

Greensboro, Louisiana College, Randolph-Macon, Maryville

Pool C :
CNU


Yes, I agree. 2 would be tough


My prior post, I thought you guys were referring to the Regional Rankings.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 04, 2011, 12:07:52 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 04, 2011, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 04, 2011, 09:02:20 AM
My prior post, I thought you guys were referring to the Regional Rankings.

I started there, the conversation morphed into the Big Dance. To recap, from where I sit more than 2 in the regional rankings and more than one in the tournament will be tough to pull off.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 05, 2011, 04:37:43 PM
The Washington and Lee Generals drop two BIG ones.  They had their chances against Bridgewater, but as I said before - don't count Jean Willi and Jordan Burkholder out!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 06, 2011, 08:57:30 AM
Good win for BC over W&L. Much respect for the Gennies, absolutely no quit in them. Pfaffenstein couldn't go, we were told she had the flu bug- she absolutely killed BC with 3's in the first contest.
One interesting decision by W&L- with under a minute to go down by 4, they defended Burkholder straight up then immediately fouled Mullen when she got the ball- the conference's leading FT% shooter ??? Of course Jordan is not much worse, pick your poison :)

Anybody watch EMU knock off Roanoke? Heading for the box score and recap now but curious what transpired.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 06, 2011, 09:08:10 AM
Looks like now a 3 team race in the ODAC...

RMC, Roanoke, BC


I am putting my money on BC on this one. :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 07, 2011, 09:27:40 AM
Great game by Bridgewater!  W&L has played two games, Roanoke and Bridgewater, while a number of players have some effects of a virus...really fine effort on their part..they almost came all the way back.

Why coaches get gray hair...Willi had put Burkholder back into the game in the 1st half after she had two fouls..to stem the charge by W&L...and had gotten the lead back up to 10 or 12...with two mins to go to the end of half...she took her back out and was hoping they would just play out the half, using up clock and go in with that lead......but back up center jacked up 3 pt attempt..causing long rebound and breakaway basket for W &L and they go in with short lead...the paper explained it this way:

Over the final one and a half minutes, the Generals tallied all four points to cut the Bridgewater lead to a 30-22 halftime advantage.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 07, 2011, 07:07:04 PM
Folks,
This is where a short roster really tells...  5 Gennies with that virulent flu bug last week. Plus, some all-nighters due to a physics test late in the week.  Two in infirmary, one losing it right before game.  Leaves you totally wiped.  In fact, these were impact players.  :-\

...here's hoping most have recovered by RMC game Tuesday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 08, 2011, 08:55:04 AM
^ Ouch, that's unfortunate.  Wishing those ladies well for the rest of the season.

We wish we could be there in Lexington tonight, but will be following the game online.

GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 09, 2011, 08:19:24 AM
That was a tough loss for the Jackets in Lexington last night.  I guess you could say the Generals were healthy!

Time to shake it off & regroup because there's an awfully big test ahead this weekend!

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 09, 2011, 09:00:42 AM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 04, 2011, 07:55:18 AM
Getting wayyyy ahead of ourselves for just a minute, what are the tiebreakers for tournament seeding for teams with the same record?

I believe the first tie-breaker is head-to- head games.  This makes the Saturday W&L-BC even more important for seeding purposes.  I am not so sure that seedings will be as important this year with the league having more parity.

BIG game in Bridgewater Saturday. I believe the Eagles will prevail as long as Burkholder can stay on the floor- in the first matchup RMC built their lead with her sitting most of the first half, then played more or less even the rest of the way (1 point 2nd half differential).

RMC still has Roanoke looming. If both BC and Roanoke can beat them and then the three of them take care of business with the rest of the schedule, it will be a 3 way tie- anyone else know where to find out about tiebreakers?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 10, 2011, 07:46:42 AM
Congratulations to BC for their deserved South ranking.  They have a chance to advance 1 more spot with a good showing against RMC.  Should be a battle, really physical.  Advantage has to go to the home team.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 10, 2011, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 10, 2011, 07:46:42 AM
Congratulations to BC for their deserved South ranking.  They have a chance to advance 1 more spot with a good showing against RMC.  Should be a battle, really physical.  Advantage has to go to the home team.

Bridgewater hasn't lost a home game this year, I don't think.  Any one know the size of the gym..I know it isn't 94x50.

Watching Jordan Burkholder play is worth the price of the admission, the entire team has blended together in a style that suites them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 10, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 10, 2011, 10:13:30 AM
Bridgewater hasn't lost a home game this year, I don't think.  Any one know the size of the gym..I know it isn't 94x50.

Watching Jordan Burkholder play is worth the price of the admission, the entire team has blended together in a style that suites them.

Correct, they are unbeaten at home- and have every intention of remaining that way :)
I do not know the floor dimensions at Nininger Hall, I did overhear someone else mention it was not standard. I have sources though, and will try to find out ;)

Were you there Tuesday night? I swear the guy in line next to me when I walked in stated he was there to watch Jordan play, worth the price of the ticket just for that.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 10, 2011, 12:58:24 PM
No, I had teaching session with some 10 yr olds trying to learn how to play like Jordan.
I wanted to see RM-C and W &L, may not be free this weekend either.. BC vs RM-C very big game in race for regular season title.  It will have little effect regarding the tournament in Roanoke, however.

Roanoke, with their div I transfers and home advantage (Roanoke girls in home beds, while everyone else in hotel) would be who I think will be the favorite. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 10, 2011, 01:54:38 PM
Roanoke and COY Dunnigan had an even stronger team last year.  They had 3 first team all ODAC and Nikki Moats (Tennessee) and Porter (Radford) last year and made an early exit from the tournament.  Has Roanoke won the ODAC tournament in the last 10 years?  I don't think so.  Some coaches just don't handle the one and done pressure well.  I have Bridgewater as the tournament favorite but would not bet against last year's champion, W&L.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 10, 2011, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 10, 2011, 10:13:30 AM
  Any one know the size of the gym..I know it isn't 94x50.

My official but unnamed source informs me that the floor at BC is indeed regulation size, the proximity of the walls (3 feet!) gives the illusion it is smaller. By way of proof, it was pointed out that they have hosted NCAA tournament games at Nininger.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 10, 2011, 03:09:59 PM
Roanoke  won in 2000....that gave them 13 titles in 17 years (1983-2000)  from 2001 to 2010...RM-C won 5 times..(1/2)..everyone else was one and done...no back to back except RM-C.

Go to ODAC conference web site...check ODAC past champions (Men & Women)

W&L will be strong, now that they are starting their best 5....getting behind and then putting in your best player has helped other teams this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 10, 2011, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 10, 2011, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 10, 2011, 10:13:30 AM
  Any one know the size of the gym..I know it isn't 94x50.

My official but unnamed source informs me that the floor at BC is indeed regulation size, the proximity of the walls (3 feet!) gives the illusion it is smaller. By way of proof, it was pointed out that they have hosted NCAA tournament games at Nininger.

Proof would be telling me what the size is...94x50; 84x50;74x48...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 10, 2011, 04:03:10 PM
BRIDGEWATER, Va. – Following a sluggish first half on the defensive end, the Bridgewater Eagles used a press defense to turn a seven point halftime deficit into a 33-13 run to start the second half, while senior Jordan Burkholder posted a triple-double as the Eagles routed visiting Roanoke 85-68 in Nininger Hall.

Behind a 29-4 advantage in pts off turnovers-Bridgewater ran its home winning streak to 12 with a victory over W & L.

With smaller court, you don't have as much space to cover in the 2/3 press defense or ½ traps, a full 94x50 court gives more passing lanes.  If I were a small team, but quick I would want a smaller gym.  I don't think anyone should use that as an excuse for losing.  What I have told people who asked about the size..... is.....if the game where played in a phone booth..and you play your game..you should win.

To me, the issue is what happens when you play away...Tournament, NCAA....can one adjust to size, different style, etc ... Bridgewater tried to play Roanoke straight up...they shot the lights out in first ½ and were down...as long as they can keep the other teams from running their ½ court offenses they are in much better position to win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 10, 2011, 04:32:08 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 10, 2011, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 10, 2011, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 10, 2011, 10:13:30 AM
  Any one know the size of the gym..I know it isn't 94x50.

My official but unnamed source informs me that the floor at BC is indeed regulation size, the proximity of the walls (3 feet!) gives the illusion it is smaller. By way of proof, it was pointed out that they have hosted NCAA tournament games at Nininger.

Proof would be telling me what the size is...94x50; 84x50;74x48...

Is this really Coach Norman Dale of Hoosiers fame? ;D

My UNofficial, unnamed source says "I run that crap 500 times a day, I wish it were smaller" :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 11, 2011, 06:23:42 PM
We're hoping the Jackets bring home a win tomorrow!

Good luck to all this weekend!

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 13, 2011, 08:04:18 AM
The Jackets took a tough loss yesterday at Bridgewater, but congrats to the Eagles on their win.  They pinned us down early & had double digits leads for much of the game.  Kudos to the Jackets for pouring it on in the 2nd to finish close. 

Another big challenge is coming this weekend from Roanoke.  It's the "pink out" Friday and Sat., so everyone BRING IT!

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 13, 2011, 09:14:56 AM
Will be an interesting final week of regular season play to determine tournament seedings.

I was not at the RMC-BC game nor did I get to hear or see any of it on the internet, but looking at the box score, it is glaringly apparent that RMC lost this game at the free throw line.  Specifically not due to their lack of making their FTs, but due to the disparity in opportunities.  RMC made 10 of 12 attempts, for an 83% avg, but BC got to the line 35 times :o!!!  They only made 60% of their attempts, but that's a heck of a difference especially when you only lose by 4 points.

Can anyone who was there give more details?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 14, 2011, 09:05:18 AM
15 FT attempts came in the last 3ish minutes when RMC was fouling to stop the clock.
I give the Jackets a lot of credit for not throwing in the towel when down by over 20 early in the second half. Good thing for the Eagles it wasn't a 41 minute game :) They need to keep their foot on the gas, the pressure defense creating transition opportunities is when they are at their best.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 14, 2011, 09:42:02 AM
If one goes to "play by play' section on the Boxscore of any game, you can see how and when the fouls are called...that's more important than how many for the total game.  When in the first half Bridgewater held a 17 pt lead at the 2:11 mark...Bridgewater had 6 team fouls...RM-C 7 team fouls...most interesting thing about that is Jordan Burkholder had no fouls in first half I could find.  BUT she did seem to foul out with 5 before the game as over.

If she can keep herself in the game it really helps Bridgewater and that may be why RM-C made such a strong run in the 2nd half...same thing happened when W &L played at Bridgewater...when she goes to the bench for foolish fouls...the team slides.

Good win for Bridgewater...Let's hope RM-C can regain their focus and play strong.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 14, 2011, 09:46:41 AM
Saw where RC had a closer than expected game with Hollins.  Jordan Gholson is not in the box score for the last few games.  Is she sick or injured?  If she does not play in the tournament, Roanoke is a much weaker team.  Good win for BC over RMC.  If BC and RMC are tied Sunday night, how is the #1 seed determined?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 14, 2011, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 14, 2011, 09:42:02 AM
...most interesting thing about that is Jordan Burkholder had no fouls in first half I could find.  BUT she did seem to foul out with 5 before the game as over.

If she can keep herself in the game it really helps Bridgewater and that may be why RM-C made such a strong run in the 2nd half...same thing happened when W &L played at Bridgewater...when she goes to the bench for foolish fouls...the team slides.

  If BC and RMC are tied Sunday night, how is the #1 seed determined?

Burkholder indeed had no fouls at halftime. Her 2nd was a technical for a reaction to a foul another player "committed" (OK, it WAS a foul since the whisle blew but in the context of how the rest of the game was called it was a poor call)- That's the foolish one that hurts. 4th came with about 7 minutes to go, she was back in at 4:45 and picked up the 5th with about 1:30 to go. No question they are a weaker team without her (what team isn't when a player of that caliber has to sit), but the bigger issue to me is the lack of a third scorer behind her and Mullen. Those 2 had 31 of the 36 points at halftime...

Been asking the seeding question myself, looks like we will find out when they actually do it this year but would like to know sooner.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 14, 2011, 11:07:50 AM
Roanoke didn't start Moats...she played 19 mins was 7-13 from the field, so when your lineup isn't normal it hurts...W & L had same issue for most of the season.

Jordan almost got a T on last weeks game...she reacted strongly to a call, when she didn't stand her ground and get charge, but reached.  As the offical walked toward the table, he started to react, didn't and the other male offical, stood by Jordan at the foul line with his hand over his mouth..talking to her....she went down the floor, missed a long 3 pter and went straight in following her shot and fouled the person who was holding the rebound... so she hasn't changed.

Reminds me many years ago, we were playing against twins...one twin was better...if first half #14 twin would have 3 fouls and 10 pts....but in the 2nd half, the other twin would have the same game....3 /4 fouls and 10-12 pts.... (It was couple years later, I learned they would switch jerseys at 1/2 time.  So you are what you are.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 14, 2011, 11:09:08 AM
Thanks wmjofva and BH20fan for the details of the game.

As far as tiebreakers go...teams tied at end of regular season are declared co champions and the tourney seeding is outlined in the ODAC Manual http://static.psbin.com/0/5/851gahhtcawzal/general_procedures.pdf (http://static.psbin.com/0/5/851gahhtcawzal/general_procedures.pdf).

If head to head results don't work,  then goes to a points system based on wins over other teams.

Interestingly, if still tied after tabulating points, the last option seems to be a previously drawn lottery system, which for WBB this year would make RMC the declared winner.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 14, 2011, 11:45:48 AM
Anybody better at math than me care to speculate what this means :-[
If I understand correctly, a BC-RMC tie for 1st will give the nod to RMC since they will have beaten the next-best team (Roanoke) twice? And if Roanoke beats RMC to tie for 1st they would be #1 by virtue of sweeping W&L?
I think I'm either dead- on or totally lost.
Of course all this assumes (we know what that spells) all 3 taking care of business the rest of the way.....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 14, 2011, 12:46:53 PM
I predict that the #2 seed for BC will be a better spot than the #1 seed this year looking at where the semifinal may play out.  BC seems to have RC figured out.  Next week it all plays out and I would not be surprised by an upset or two.  The ODAC would be very fortunate to receive 2 NCAA bids.   This makes the ODAC tournament imperative to win if you want to dance. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 14, 2011, 01:06:15 PM
Quote from: Bammer on February 14, 2011, 12:46:53 PM
I predict that the #2 seed for BC will be a better spot than the #1 seed this year looking at where the semifinal may play out.  BC seems to have RC figured out.  Next week it all plays out and I would not be surprised by an upset or two.  The ODAC would be very fortunate to receive 2 NCAA bids.   This makes the ODAC tournament imperative to win if you want to dance. 

Agreed. The fan in me would like the cache of being the 1 seed but you are correct that a 2 would work better
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 14, 2011, 03:17:26 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 14, 2011, 11:45:48 AM
Anybody better at math than me care to speculate what this means :-[
If I understand correctly, a BC-RMC tie for 1st will give the nod to RMC since they will have beaten the next-best team (Roanoke) twice? And if Roanoke beats RMC to tie for 1st they would be #1 by virtue of sweeping W&L?
I think I'm either dead- on or totally lost.
Of course all this assumes (we know what that spells) all 3 taking care of business the rest of the way.....

After scrolling down and reading the examples a couple of pages later, totally lost seems to be the answer ???. If I get bored later I'll do the math on how they stand today but with a week left it's purely speculation, too much can change.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 15, 2011, 11:12:35 AM
This discussion about who has done what in the last 10 years, lead me to check on which teams played in the ODAC championship game...not just who won...two teams jumb out....RM-C and Bridgewater

Can't find at the ODAC site..who won the regular season championships, however.  Programs can be built to win the season...an/or win the tournament championship game.

For me, I would prepare the team in the last part of the season (last 10 games) to win the 3-day event in Salem, so I could play in the NCAA's.  For example if I needed a 3rd scorer and knew that I would have to play my normal starters for defensive reasons, I would work on making one of them that scorer, instead of using a good offensive player off the bench, who I couldn't bring into a close game because they won't play defense.  Normally in the regular season, you can go 8,9,10 deep but in these games you find you can't do that.

So you say, Bridgewater needs a 3rd scorer...in a game you're going to win, regardless...then run plays so this selected person gets shots...practice this...say.."we want you to take 10 shots...not your normal 5...   Ofcourse Bridgewater fans don't have to worry...Coach W really does a great job, getting her teams ready for the ODAC's in Salem...since 2000 she has been in championship game 5 times...winning one time...however I doubt they were preseason picks any of those times.

RM-C has been there 6 times...winning 5 times.  Coach Lehaye would be the last person I would want to face in the final game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 15, 2011, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 15, 2011, 11:12:35 AM
Ofcourse Bridgewater fans don't have to worry...Coach W really does a great job, getting her teams ready for the ODAC's in Salem...since 2000 she has been in championship game 5 times...winning one time...however I doubt they were preseason picks any of those times.

Hence my signature :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:36:27 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 18, 2011, 08:37:08 AM
GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 19, 2011, 09:49:06 AM
Solid win for RMC over RC.  Congratulations and thank goodness the ODAC tournament is not in that RMC gym.  RMC is a good team and a great home team.  Good job by the Generals to win at Lynchburg.  It looks as though Becca Bolton may be back.  She scored 39 against the hornets.  Should be a great tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 19, 2011, 08:55:07 PM
Congrats to the Jackets on another win in Crenshaw today... we're so excited about Salem next weekend! 

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 21, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
RM-C has or has shared 5 of the last 7 ODAC regular season championships...05-11;

Great year for the program!

Bolton's numbers in last game are unreal...11-15 from field and 16-18 from the foul line...must have been a lot of ....and 1's;  

Bridgewater really closed the season with a bang!  Co-Champs!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 21, 2011, 10:57:26 AM
^ There's a lot of talent in the ODAC... we were pretty impressed with the growth in the Hollins program when we watched them on Sat.  Look out ODAC, they're a young team on the move!

How exciting to be going to Salem again as the top seed!  Hope to see the Jackets go all the way this year!

Good luck to ALL our teams & safe travels to all the fans!

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 23, 2011, 11:08:31 AM
Any predictions on the first round?  Here are mine:
RMC over LC
W&L in a close game over EMU
BC over GC
RC over VWC  Thought about predicting an upset here and am expecting a close game

If the above holds to seeding, the semi-finals should be awesome.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:29:31 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 23, 2011, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:29:31 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Wrong, wrong wrong- Bridgewater's record is wrong, then they get leapfrogged by Randolph Macon?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:46:00 PM
Looks like a typo for Bridgewater on the standings... because the the NCAA has them as 20-3 in region in their report: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB&region=25&division=3

Now, RMC has a better In-Region OWP... they are basically equal in OOWP... and better in weighed SOS.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 23, 2011, 04:54:42 PM
That's OK, we'll straighten it all out on the court Sunday afternoon ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 24, 2011, 08:18:43 AM
Congratulations to Meg Ingram and Becca Bolton for their ODAC honors.  Good job by BC coach Willi and Jordan Burkholder.  All were very deserving.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 24, 2011, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 23, 2011, 04:54:42 PM
That's OK, we'll straighten it all out on the court Sunday afternoon ;D

That would be a great game and one way the ODAC could get two teams in the NCAA's.   

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 24, 2011, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:46:00 PM
Looks like a typo for Bridgewater on the standings... because the the NCAA has them as 20-3 in region in their report: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB&region=25&division=3

Now, RMC has a better In-Region OWP... they are basically equal in OOWP... and better in weighed SOS.



I can understand why BH20Fan would be concerned.  Bridgewater closed out the season strong, yet in NCAA ranking this week...Both RM-C and Maryville jumped over them.

D3 Hoops.com ranked Christopher Newport at #12 over Greensboro at #13 (and I agree as CN put the only loss on Greensboro last week and the CN lost to Thomas More in December, TM is ranked #1 now.  However the NCAA ranks Greensboro two places over CN in the South, despite CN beat Greensboro last week.  I suspect CN stunning loss to Averett may be a factor but it didn't seem to  matter to D3 Hoops in the Top 25.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 24, 2011, 12:21:22 PM
My predictions:

RMC over LC
EMU over W & L
BC over GC
RC over VWC

Congratulations To Jean Willi for her Coach of the Year, and also congratulations to all the players who received honors.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 24, 2011, 08:05:15 PM
WOW, GC downs BC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 24, 2011, 09:47:02 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 23, 2011, 04:54:42 PM
That's OK, we'll straighten it all out on the court Sunday afternoon ;D

We guess it's a truism that we should never count our chickens....

Congrats to Maggie & Taylor on all-conference honors this year.  And, all you Yellow Jackets know... you're awesome-- so keep playing hard to take this title!! 

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 25, 2011, 06:49:16 AM
Whitecaylxx - Interesting picks, wondering why you picked EMU over W&L.  The Generals are defending champions, with everybody back.  EMU is a young team and could not match up inside when the Generals are healthy and focused.  Last night was the best that I have seen the Generals play.  I know your admiration for Coach Willi and Burkholder and I agree that Willi was COY.  She got more out of this team than anyone expected.  They did not have the inside presence and that was exposed last night.  I will ask without needing to ask - who are you picking between RMC and W&L?  Don't let your anti-General bias influence your pick.

GO GENERALS
Your defending ODAC champions
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 25, 2011, 07:45:12 AM
^ we also saw the Generals play yesterday and they look very solid.  Should be a good game!

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 25, 2011, 09:30:43 AM
I do not have a General bias.  The two teams split, and EMU is deeper than W & L.  Just because I picked EMU doesn't mean I don't like W & L!  Childish!  With Bridgewater out, (I agree they lack size) I think it is possible for W & L to take the crown again!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 25, 2011, 09:40:12 AM
Seconds earlier, Bridgewater senior Jordan Burkholder, the ODAC's Player of the Year, left the game with ankle injury. She sparked the Eagles strong second-half start with 11 of her team-high 21 points and three of her five steals.

With Burkholder on the bench, the Quakers crept back into the game and eventually tied it at 61-61 with 2:53 left on two Morgan King free throws.


In last years first round  upset of RM-C by EMC, RM-C lost point guard Jennifer O'Briant  early in the game and it really was a factor.   Both Jennifer and Katie Williams mean so much to the RM-C program.  They are the type of players who do so many of the little things that never make the papers.


I see where #5 ranked Kean (D3 Hoops.com) lost in the first round of their tournament, that sends them over to the "at large bid'....that type of loss reduces the number of bids for NCAA's to some of the other programs.

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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 25, 2011, 09:51:04 AM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on February 24, 2011, 09:47:02 PM
We guess it's a truism that we should never count our chickens....

Yep, winner winner chicken dinner for Guilford as the Eagles lay an egg :-[
I'll leave the motivational speeches that turn a lesser opponent into the UConn Huskies to the coaches. As a fan on this forum I'll talk a little trash from time to time and accept the (hopefully) good natured ribbing when things don't work out.
Every team except for one that is fortunate enough to play in the postseason is guaranteed to have the year end with a loss. If you can advance far enough to be playing with house money, that's a good run. Not so for the Eagles this year, very disappointing end to a fantastic campaign.
Best of luck to all those that remain.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 25, 2011, 10:46:27 AM
Having followed this board for the last 3 years, I did not base the anti-General statement on your one pick but on 3 years of reading your posts.  We all have our favorites as we should.  Having more players does not make you deeper, having more talented players gives quality depth.  In big games teams often only go 7-8 deep.  The W&L bench outscored the EMU bench last night also. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on February 25, 2011, 10:57:57 AM
You yourself said it would probably be a close game - it was not.  You also agreed earlier in the year that the Generals had been very inconsistent this year.  With a small number of players, W & L could have run out of gas.  Instead they came up big.  As for 3 years of posts , I comment on many of the teams.  Just because I like a team, doesn't mean they get a free pass. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 25, 2011, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 25, 2011, 10:46:27 AM
Having followed this board for the last 3 years, I did not base the anti-General statement on your one pick but on 3 years of reading your posts.  We all have our favorites as we should.  Having more players does not make you deeper, having more talented players gives quality depth.  In big games teams often only go 7-8 deep.  The W&L bench outscored the EMU bench last night also. 

It's funny..as I was watching on computer, W &L romp over EMU..I kept seeing the same names on the W & L board...why don't they empty the bench....oh wait!  they don't have a bench! ;D  W&L (after Bridgewater) was the hottest team in the league in last 5 games of the season.  I really didn't think I would see EMU fans jumpiing around like they did when they beat W & L at their place.

Roanoke will be hard to beat at home.  Inside play, rebounding, defense is key in big games.  If your guards can get the ball down and in, it's money.  An outstanding guard can control their game as they have the ball, the outstanding inside player must hope their teammates get the ball to them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 25, 2011, 11:28:56 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 25, 2011, 06:49:16 AM
  They did not have the inside presence and that was exposed last night. 

Lack of size has been an issue this year, care to elaborate on how that was exposed by Guilford last night? I think the perception by us Eagle fans was they were outrebounding us, particularly in the first half (Hottinger sat with 2 fouls), yet BC was +10 by the end of the game. I think the Quakers won the game with a very patient half court offense and some timely 3's from the parking lot in the last 10 minutes. Nothing new- BC went up big creating turnovers and running, lost Burkholder, slowed it down to run clock and got tight.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 25, 2011, 01:00:40 PM
Oglesby had 16 and King had 22 and I guessed that most of those came in the paint.  Your guards do an awesome job rebounding.  Saw where Burkholder had 8 boards.  She is such an intense, competitive player that I will miss watching.  By saying exposed inside, I looked at the box and saw the GC bigs had good numbers.  I thought BC was 1 of the 2 hottest teams going into the tournament.  I picked them to get to the finals.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 25, 2011, 04:22:35 PM
I hate to say it but the BC loss to Guilford officially put them outside the bubble looking in :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 25, 2011, 04:37:31 PM
Do you think RMC would get an at large if they lose in the semis or if RC were to lose in the finals would they get an at large bid?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 25, 2011, 04:41:26 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 25, 2011, 04:22:35 PM
I hate to say it but the BC loss to Guilford officially put them outside the bubble looking in :-\

Correct me if I'm wrong but RM-C and Bridgewater would have had to have met in the Championship game for the loser to be considered .

Too bad.. Bridgewater with Burkholder & co and coach would have been fun to watch in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 25, 2011, 05:41:50 PM
Quote from: Bammer on February 25, 2011, 04:37:31 PM
Do you think RMC would get an at large if they lose in the semis or if RC were to lose in the finals would they get an at large bid?
Quote from: wmjofva on February 25, 2011, 04:41:26 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 25, 2011, 04:22:35 PM
I hate to say it but the BC loss to Guilford officially put them outside the bubble looking in :-\

Correct me if I'm wrong but RM-C and Bridgewater would have had to have met in the Championship game for the loser to be considered .

Too bad.. Bridgewater with Burkholder & co and coach would have been fun to watch in the NCAA's.

From what I have learned on the NCAA Tourney, Pool C and Top 25 boards, my opinion (agreeing with wmjofva) is the loser of a RMC-BC final was the only realistic chance for an at-large.  I think RMC still has a slim chance if they were to lose Sunday- but it seems favorites going down in other conference tournaments is expanding the list of highly qualified at-large teams pretty quick.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 26, 2011, 11:32:06 AM
"Yep, winner winner chicken dinner for Guilford as the Eagles lay an egg :-[
I'll leave the motivational speeches that turn a lesser opponent into the UConn Huskies to the coaches. As a fan on this forum I'll talk a little trash from time to time and accept the (hopefully) good natured ribbing when things don't work out.
Every team except for one that is fortunate enough to play in the postseason is guaranteed to have the year end with a loss. If you can advance far enough to be playing with house money, that's a good run. Not so for the Eagles this year, very disappointing end to a fantastic campaign.
Best of luck to all those that remain."

Yes, we totally meant that in a good natured way... ya had a GREAT season!  
Good luck to the ODAC Final 4 today!
GO JACKETS!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 26, 2011, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 25, 2011, 04:41:26 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 25, 2011, 04:22:35 PM
I hate to say it but the BC loss to Guilford officially put them outside the bubble looking in :-\

Correct me if I'm wrong but RM-C and Bridgewater would have had to have met in the Championship game for the loser to be considered .

Too bad.. Bridgewater with Burkholder & co and coach would have been fun to watch in the NCAA's.

If you look at the south region you will need some help.

Based on NCAA tournaments in the past 5 maybe 6 teams have gotten in from the south.

USASouth will get 2 teams
GSAC-will get 1 team as Maryville lost. They would get consideration before Bridgewater, based on current regional rankings.
ASC will get 1 team maybe 2 if Louisiana College loses in conference tournament.
ODAC will likely get 1 unless RMC loses then the AQ and Randolph-Macon would be considered.

There is a potential of 8 teams to consider, but there will likely only be 5.

Even if RMC losses today would still be considered.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 27, 2011, 12:37:11 AM
SO PROUD OF R-MC TODAY!!

GO JACKETS!!!   


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 27, 2011, 10:44:02 AM
Good job by RMC.  Your hard work and coaching earned much respect.  Good season for the Generals.  Last year's ODAC championship makes this lose tougher to handle.  Sad farewell to Alli and Felice.  They will be missed.  Best of luck to RMC and RC and I hope they advance far.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 27, 2011, 07:20:20 PM
Surprised that no one has commented yet on Randolph-Macon's win over Roanoke -- especially the way regulation ended, with a prayer of a shot and an answer to the prayer. Definitely one for the D3hoops "Buzzer Beaters" feature. Congratulations to the players and coaching staff at R-MC. A tough way for Roanoke to lose, but wins and losses come in all forms. Good luck to the Jackets in the tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 27, 2011, 08:53:50 PM
Just arrived back home from Roanoke and watching both Yellow Jacket teams take home the championship.  Congratulations to all those kids!!
Especially the women who were only ranked pre-season #4 to finish the way they did, never giving up and every one contributing at different times throughout the season.  And yes, answered prayers are always accepted with joyous open arms.

I'm totally wrung out from watching that women's game.  I hope that final shot in regulation makes it to "Buzzer Beaters" as well because I can't believe what I saw the first time and would love to watch it again.  Roanoke is a very good team.  I hope they also get a bid for post season play.  I also hope Nicci  Moats is OK, she went down hard in the 2nd half and did not return to play.

Good luck to all the ODAC teams in post season play!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 28, 2011, 08:39:03 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 27, 2011, 07:20:20 PM
Surprised that no one has commented yet on Randolph-Macon's win over Roanoke -- especially the way regulation ended, with a prayer of a shot and an answer to the prayer. Definitely one for the D3hoops "Buzzer Beaters" feature. Congratulations to the players and coaching staff at R-MC. A tough way for Roanoke to lose, but wins and losses come in all forms. Good luck to the Jackets in the tournament.

We were on the road & late getting home.  What a weekend... no voice left.  Have never seen a title game go into overtime on a more thrilling note.  Roanoke played a GREAT game & didn't deserve to lose but someone had to.  Sometimes one team just "wants it more."  Congrats to our women who played together as a team all weekend & brought home the trophy as a reward.  GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 28, 2011, 08:46:02 AM
Watched it on the world wide interweb, indeed a fantastic finish. Congrats
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: dukeofargyle on February 28, 2011, 10:51:55 AM
Great congrats to RMC for the trophy this season! 

If La Haye plays the defense & the jackets put up the FG% they did all tournament, RMC should go far into the NCAA's. Hopefully, their stellar defense can contain Schweers & Co if they meet them next.

We are behind you, Jackets -  We are proud to have you represent the ODAC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 28, 2011, 01:36:31 PM
The RMC men were passed over to host their first couple of playoff games.  I wonder if there is any chance the RMC women could host at least  the first pod of games?

That would be even another answered prayer!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 28, 2011, 01:46:17 PM
^ let's hope that the R-MC women do host, having exceeded expectations all season AND winning the ODAC crown.  But, if it's not to be, let's hope they are not sent wandering to TX or WA or some of the other hinterlands they've been sent to before. 

Maybe if neither gets to host this weekend, there is a chance for next weekend?  Let's just all focus on the Friday games and continuing to play with the teamwork & commitment that has gotten us so far this year!

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 28, 2011, 02:19:57 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 25, 2011, 09:40:12 AM
In last years first round  upset of RM-C by EMC, RM-C lost point guard Jennifer O'Briant  early in the game and it really was a factor.   Both Jennifer and Katie Williams mean so much to the RM-C program.  They are the type of players who do so many of the little things that never make the papers.

After Gholson converted both foul shots with 6.7 seconds to play, O'Briant sprinted her way up the far sideline in front of both teams' benches.  The senior guard then heaved a shot at the basket that banked off the glass and through the hoop as the buzzer sounded

My old ball coach used to say: "  the harder I work, the luckier I get" Jennifer is hitting 44.2% of her 3 pters.. ;D

Brown was named the tournament's Most Outstanding player after scoring 22 points and pulling in eight rebounds during the championship game. Taylor Wieczorek netted 16 points and grabbed nine boards while Maggie Roy had ten points and five rebounds as both players were named to the All-Tournament Team

Normally you need that 3rd person to step up..and Molly Brown, who was ave 8 pt/game was the one who answered the call.  To show you how deep RM-C is.. Taylor Wieczorek as a freshmen would have started on most ODAC teams, but she had it sit with limited mins for two years waiting for Molly A to graduate.

Williams puts on her hard hat and gives you solid defense every time out and Maggie Roy is an offensive leader who plays defense.

Let's hope they get a fair seed in the NCAA's and don't have to start by playing the #5 team in the  country, like the Hiltunen/Riesbeck RM-C team that had to play Thomas More.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 28, 2011, 04:32:47 PM
RMC women traveling to Lebanon Valley to take on Bridgewater State.  I actually have family near Harrisburg/Hershey area so I have place to stay!!! Yeah. 

Lebanon Valley from the Middle Atlantic Conference, is highest seed in the pod, ranked 17th in last D3 poll, with a 23-2 record. 
But first things first, Bridgewater State University is 19-7 and got in on the automatic bid by winning the Massachusetts State College Athletic Conference title. 
Lebanon Valley will play the 4th team in the pod which is Neumann (20-7) who won the Colonial States Athletic Conference Championship.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 28, 2011, 04:51:20 PM
So thankful that it's in PA!  Leb. Valley is somewhat friendly turf for the Jackets... that's where Mike Rhoades and J. D. Byers (former men's coaches) both went to college. 

Both have moved on from R-MC, but they left their mark here as well as in PA & we still miss them!  Maybe some of their family members will even come to the tourney.

Let's hope for 2 wins in PA next weekend for the Jackets!!

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 02, 2011, 11:57:16 AM

Bridgewater State, out of Massachusetts State College Conference (appears 8 team league) is small.  Tallest player is listed at 5'9"...starting line up is 5'4', 5'5",5"5, 5'8".  If they are like most north east Div III teams  (Pa,NJ) their small interior players will come out and fire 3 pters and they will run flex-type offenses.

Brittney Chappron 5'5" sr guard is hitting 34% from 3 pt line....that is very good and about the same as RMC-"Tuna" a few years ago...they will have to cover her or else.  She will shoot 15-20 times a game..she is looking to get her shot off.

They are playing well, beating top seed Westfield St at Westfield's home to earn the NCAA bid.  We always found this type of team hard to play if they were hitting...I see in one game in last 5, they hit over 50% of their 3's.(2/19/11)  RMC bigs may find themselves out of the paint area in this game, if they run the flex-type and pop out the forwards/centers.

Interestiing it appears the losers of the conference get to keep playing...MCLA will play in the New England Championship Tournament..it would be great if Roanoke, Bridgewater could play in a Virginia Championship Tournament...look at the extra practices a team gets if they play after the conference tournament...NCAA''s etc. ( I think some Pa and Md conferences do the same.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on March 02, 2011, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on March 02, 2011, 11:57:16 AM
Interestiing it appears the losers of the conference get to keep playing...MCLA will play in the New England Championship Tournament..it would be great if Roanoke, Bridgewater could play in a Virginia Championship Tournament...look at the extra practices a team gets if they play after the conference tournament...NCAA''s etc. ( I think some Pa and Md conferences do the same.
I think that's a great idea! If the ODAC, USA South and CAC conferences had agreed to something like that this year, we could have been seeing a tournament with Roanoke (19-8), Bridgewater (22-4), UMW (20-6), Marymount (13-10), Ferrum (18-9) and Methodist (15-12). I would have paid to see that!
I wonder what it would take to make something like that real?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on March 03, 2011, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on March 02, 2011, 11:57:16 AM
Interestiing it appears the losers of the conference get to keep playing...MCLA will play in the New England Championship Tournament..it would be great if Roanoke, Bridgewater could play in a Virginia Championship Tournament...look at the extra practices a team gets if they play after the conference tournament...NCAA''s etc. ( I think some Pa and Md conferences do the same.

Is there a link to any website for the NECT? I'm with Brookland, great idea.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 03, 2011, 04:37:48 PM
http://athletics.mcla.edu/sports/wbkb/index

If you do google search of MCLA college or go to web site of school RMC is playing, you can find.

Just click on the site I have posted and you can read, as well as get entire schedule of the tournament.  I noted couple years ago schools up in Pa were playing in this type of thing for those who didn't make the NCAA's.

I can't find after research that any schools in Md,Pa are now going to such tournaments.  Normally their web site will say..."they  lost in conference tournament and will not go to NCAA's ...then say they are seeded 6th in ....State Tournament...New England's tournament will end this weekend, so it wouldn't affect school classes so much.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 04, 2011, 09:22:18 AM
 


BALTIMORE, Md. -- Franklin & Marshall ended its watershed season with a 71-59 loss to Johns Hopkins in the Centennial Conference semifinals Saturday afternoon. It was the furthest any Diplomat squad had reached in the 18 years of the CC playoffs

A RMC connection:  Kirsten Richter, was an assistant coach at RMC for 4 years and then this year went back to Franklin & Marshall as head coach..  Molley Ariail is serving as her assistant.  It appears they did very well.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 11:50:36 AM
You are probably thinking of the ECAC's. It is primarily a New England phenomenon but stretches to western PA and DC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 04, 2011, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 11:50:36 AM
You are probably thinking of the ECAC's. It is primarily a New England phenomenon but stretches to western PA and DC.

Appears that is it.  Is there any other like it?  Seems like a good idea to some of us...ofcourse we just hate to see the kids stop playing. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 05, 2011, 09:25:26 AM
Jackets get a 80-69 win on the road Friday night.  Taylor W. with 27 points!!!

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK JACKETS!!!  We're with you all the way!

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on March 06, 2011, 07:50:02 AM
Lebanon Valley held a 46-40 edge on the glass and hit 28-of-37 free throws to Randolph-Macon's 2-of-6 mark from the line.

WOW ??? What happened there?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on March 06, 2011, 09:12:01 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on March 04, 2011, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 11:50:36 AM
You are probably thinking of the ECAC's. It is primarily a New England phenomenon but stretches to western PA and DC.

Appears that is it.  Is there any other like it?  Seems like a good idea to some of us...ofcourse we just hate to see the kids stop playing. ;D
http://www.ecacsports.com/championships/2010-11_Winter_Championships/Men-s_-_Women-s_Basketball/womens_bball_announcement

ECAC has New England, Metro (NY/NJ?) and South (DC schools included) brackets- The next obvious Southward expansion is Virginia :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 06, 2011, 09:14:23 AM
We weren't there so we don't know the story, but it's hard to play in national competition 2 nights in a row on the road, no matter where you are.

A loss is a loss and we're sorry to see it!  Both R-MC teams are now out of the tournaments, BUT we are so proud of our players and all they accomplished this season.  Especially for the women, who were clearly underestimated in preseason, congrats on your great winning season!

For the 2 seniors, Jennifer O'Briant and Katie Williams, ya'll have brought a lot of joy and pride to your college and to your fans.  Thanks for 4 great years & best wishes for your future.

Can't wait 'til next year to see what the 4 rising seniors & some very talented newcomers have in store for us!  GO JACKETS!!!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 06, 2011, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on March 06, 2011, 07:50:02 AM
Lebanon Valley held a 46-40 edge on the glass and hit 28-of-37 free throws to Randolph-Macon's 2-of-6 mark from the line.

WOW ??? What happened there?

Seriously, I saw that there was a technical called against RMC as well.  Must have been some serious one-sided calls.  I commented earlier in the season that Macon had lost a game at the free throw line and it was brought to my attention that many of the fouls occurred late in the game, but looks like the edge in the foul shooting clearly kept LVC in the game and was exacerbated in the last couple minutes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on March 06, 2011, 04:39:43 PM
I was at the game last night.  I was confused by the game plan from Randolph-Macon, who had a size advantage.  They spent the entire first half shooting 3's and not attacking the basket.  That's where the foul disparity started, since they were not attacking the basket at all.  In the second half, the threes were not falling, so they attacked more.  Wieczorek is a really nice player who just didn't get near enough touches last night.  R-M fans can take some solace that the Yellow Jackets look like a major contender for next year with as young as they were.

The technical foul was garbage, from my perspective.  The officials made a shooting foul call under the LVC basket, but didn't know who the foul was on.  Coach LaHaye was extremely vocal with them at that point, but no T was called.  When the refs got together and then called the foul on someone who wasn't near the play, she blew a gasket.  That's where she got the T.  It was frustration boiling over, but if the refs would have known who they were calling the foul against, it would have been avoided.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 07, 2011, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on March 06, 2011, 04:39:43 PM
I was at the game last night.  I was confused by the game plan from Randolph-Macon, who had a size advantage.  They spent the entire first half shooting 3's and not attacking the basket.  That's where the foul disparity started, since they were not attacking the basket at all.  In the second half, the threes were not falling, so they attacked more.  


wmjofva says:
Lebanon Valley took 15 foul shots in 1st half and 22 in 2nd; RMC took 1 in 1st and 5 in 2nd.   The RMC offense is set around the 3 pt shot, so that is normal, if they make, they win, if they don't, they lose.  What isn't normal is the 37-6...even if it were 7th grade.

I'm hoping Lebanon Valley does well and they should as it appears they will contine to have home court advantage tho the final 8.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on March 15, 2011, 03:44:51 PM
Congratulations Jordan Burkholder- First team all-region:

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2010-11/south-women

Can anyone explain how Colorado College is in the SOUTH region?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2011, 04:18:18 PM
They're a member of the SCAC which is almost all in the South, so I slot them in the South for All-Region purposes. Otherwise their kids are being voted on by West SIDs whom basically have never seen them play, nor have they seen the teams she is playing against.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on August 13, 2011, 07:54:47 AM
A few fall schedules posted, but no rosters.  Actually I think this is the earliest I've seen R-MC's up in a number of years.  Tough games right out of the gate with strong out of conference foes Marymount, Christopher Newport, Mary Washington, then starting ODAC play with Eastern Mennonite. Only positive factor is that all are home games for the Jackets.

http://www.athletics.rmc.edu/sports/wbkb/2011-12/schedule

http://www.hollins.edu/athletics/bball/schedule.shtml

http://wildcats.randolphcollege.edu/womens_basketball/sched_results.asp

I know football is the focus for most folks now, but I can't help but look ahead.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on August 13, 2011, 11:08:31 AM
http://bridgewatereagles.com/sports/wbkb/2011-12/schedule (http://bridgewatereagles.com/sports/wbkb/2011-12/schedule)

Bridgewater's has changed since I first saw it. When I heard they were playing at the Johns Hopkins tournament I was hopeful for a matchup with them, looks like it is not to be. I would love to see the Eagles play one or two higher level out of conference foes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on August 16, 2011, 05:38:01 PM
Lynchburg schedule out now:
http://athletics.lynchburg.edu/sports/wbkb/2011-12/schedule
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on October 26, 2011, 10:50:17 AM
Is anybody ready to fire up this string for the new season? Most of the teams have posted their 11-12 rosters (W&L and Guilford being two exceptions I am aware of). Any surprises? Any comments? Any prognostications?
It seems to me that RMC will be the team to beat this year. Bridgewater had some key losses and I don't see them repeating. I think Roanoke lost too much talent and will fall in the standings. I think W&L will be challenged to stay near the top unless they get an infusion of talent (and height) in their freshmen. EMU has most of its talent back and is still a young team; I think they are poised to move up in the standings. Guilford and VWC are question marks in my mind, while Lynchburg should improve its record. Hollins, E&H and Randolph are still building and should fight it out at the bottom for another year.
Overall, I expect a little more balance and fewer blowouts. Of course, it IS the ODAC - there will be the usual tight games and emotional upsets somewhere along the way. It should be another exciting season! Looking forward to some discussion!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 03, 2011, 04:18:55 PM
I have to agree with the preseason poll in most rankings.  I thought Guilford would be the dark horse pick but they have already been exposed as a top team at number 2.  RMC deserves the top seed.  It will be interesting to see how Bridgewater does without Burkholder.  They seemed lost without her last year but do return a lot of talent.  W&L should be strong with their stout senior and junior classes.  Roanoke lost so much and it will be interesting to see how far Moats can carry them.  Should be a good year to follow the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on November 04, 2011, 11:11:36 AM
Season preview for the Lynchburg women at:
http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2011-12/contrib/lynchburg-preview
It's a nice write-up. The Hornets are on the upswing!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on November 16, 2011, 09:36:56 PM
Hellooo, is anybody out there? Has anyone but me noticed that the season has started? It's starting to feel like a bad SciFi movie!  :)
Nine of the eleven ODAC teams in action last night. Bridgewater and EMU did not play.
EHU beat Hiwassee (a National Christian College Athletic Association team from Tennessee) by 16 despite going 3-29 from 3-point range and 10-19 from the FT line. If I had to take a wild guess, it would be that Hiwassee is not known for its defense, rather than that EHU is poised to become a powerhouse - but the season will tell.
RMC (still my preseason pick for team-to-beat) beat a traditionally good but rebuilding Marymount by 16.
VWC beat N.C. Wesleyan (preseason #8 pick in the USASouth conference) by 12, which doesn't tell me much either way.
Guilford lost by 10 to Greensboro (preseason #1 pick in the USASouth and nationally ranked), which tells me they will be very competitive in the ODAC and their preseason #2 ranking is probably justified.
Roanoke lost by 26 to Ferrum (preseason #2 pick in USASouth), which does nothing to change my opinion that this will be an off year for them.
W&L lost by 16 to a very good Mary Washington team (my pick to win the CAC this year), revealing their biggest weakness as lack of depth. Only 3 bench players, including 2 freshman guards (neither tall). Only 4 bench points vs. 20 from UMW. I don't see how they stay at the top of the ODAC without more bench production - or players.
Lynchburg lost by 4 to Shenandoah (#6 preseason in the USASouth and 2012 new ODAC member). I watched the webcast and it was a very winnable game that came down to the final minutes. It looked to me as if the team is still looking for the killer instinct and sustained focus it needs to put teams away. More mental errors than lack of talent. They started one freshman (who finished with a double-double, 10 each of points and rebounds) and gave significant minutes to another freshman who also played pretty well, so I still think they are on the rise and will be very competitive in at least the middle of the ODAC pack.
Hollins lost a 4 point game to Mary Baldwin, while Randolph lost by 11 to Meredith (starting 4 freshmen - could this be a new direction?)
Anyone else watch a game?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 16, 2011, 10:11:22 PM
I watched the Guilford vs Greensboro game, but I am a USASouth follower.  I think the #2 pick for Guilford was probably right, but they are going to have to score more than 49 pts to be more deserving of that #2 preseason ranking.  For Greensboro they are going to have to score more than 59 pts to be deserving of their rankings too.  I will take the win though, because if Guilford is expected to make a run this year, it wouldn't be hard to see two teams out of the ODAC in the NCAA, it has happened before.  Neither team was really impressive it truly was a defensive game.  As they say defenses win championships. Both teams will be alright.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on November 20, 2011, 07:26:58 AM
Bridgewater slips past Averett and will get Johns Hopkins this afternoon.
RMC- just bad shooting or do CNU and MWU defend that well?
Roanoke- no one named Moats in the box scores yet, what's up?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on November 21, 2011, 11:44:15 AM
Roanoke's Moats and Davidson (last season's leading 3 pt shooter) are both out with injuries. I don't know for how long, but their presence is clearly missed...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BigMac on November 21, 2011, 04:10:24 PM
Moats and Davidson are missed by Roanoke but they never gave up Vs UMW. UMW was up by 20+ and the players on  Roanoke played hard the whole game.

And yes to BH2OFan, CNU and UMW did play defense that well Vs RMC to stop their scoring. RMC gave up in the second half Vs. CNU and the score showed it. They did play the whole game and never gave up Vs. UMW just could not hang with them. Both games should make them better for the season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on November 22, 2011, 11:42:36 AM
There does not appear to be any ODAC team that will be worthy of top 25.  USA south vs and Mary Washington scores show it will take time for the teams to become strong.  Even RM with four seniors coming back from last year's run with some votes this year early has to firm up.

RM doesn't have point guard experience nor do they have that defensive stopper they have enjoyed for the past eight years...Merkel, Stein,Williams.

You play offense with your hands and your head, defense with your heart and feet (and mouth).  It took last years team to be headed to the worst record in school history..(5-4) before they came back from Fla and started playing man to man help defense and ran off 12 games victories to put them in ODAC lead.

EMU is coming off 113-33 victory off York (NY) at their home tournament last week..they are so young..may be the surprise of the ODAC this year!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 22, 2011, 12:10:12 PM
Guilford- W&L game tonight will tell a lot on how the conference will play out this year.  RMC, Bridgewater and EMU should be in the mix also.  RC depends on how the injuries play out.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 28, 2011, 03:56:47 PM
Is it just me or does it seem like W&L has just 9 players on their roster? 4 seniors, 3 juniors, no sophs and 2 FY? I also seem to remember they were short-handed last year as well. What will happen next year when almost half the team graduates and you have an entire year that is a hole? Something seems off in Lexington's recruiting lately. It all seems especially odd since the team seems to have been trending upward since that disastrous 02/03 season.

Oddly enough, I'm not overly concerned about starting 1-3 since we did worse last year (1-3 and 2-6 at one point) and the year before (1-3 and 2-6). Seems like they just don't get fired up until January, but the shortage of bodies and the lack of sophs is just really, really unnerving.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on November 30, 2011, 09:46:54 AM
The good news for W & L is that if you can make the school and team, you have a good coach and you get lots of playing time!  :)

They had one freshmen last year..it appears she isn't back so that's why there are no sophs.


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 30, 2011, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on November 30, 2011, 09:46:54 AM
The good news for W & L is that if you can make the school and team, you have a good coach and you get lots of playing time!  :)

They had one freshmen last year..it appears she isn't back so that's why there are no sophs.

Unfortunately part of coaching in college is recruiting. While I don't have a lot of ties to the school, I've heard nothing but good things about Coach King and clearly she has had a great affect on W&L's program during her tenure. However, if she doesn't find some more bodies there is going to be a problem. W&L is a tough school and I know when I was there the coaches always worried about the recruiting classes for all sports. I'm thinking Coach King either needs some help, or she's going to have to devote a lot more time to getting a consistent 3 or 4 kids per year so that one or two can drop and there are still enough bodies on the bench.

Right now it looks like one of her past 2 recruiting classes was a disaster, and with only 2 FY players, it's likely that both classes could be a bust. That can't continue.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on November 30, 2011, 12:01:45 PM
Looking at the archives....2005-2006 (her 3rd year) 5 freshmen..14 players...then 2006-2007  2 freshmen..11 players;  2007-2008  4 freshen ..11 players; 2008-2009 3 freshmen 11 players..; 2009-2010 4 freshmen..11 players (went to NCAA)

Sometimes one might do better with fewer players....EMU has taken in 10 or so freshmen this year and last..and has always had 14-16 on their rooster.  Perhaps the coach doesn't want to deal with what those numbers present in issues....playing time etc.

I rather have 8 good ones than 16 ok ones.  8-)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 30, 2011, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on November 30, 2011, 12:01:45 PM
Looking at the archives....2005-2006 (her 3rd year) 5 freshmen..14 players...then 2006-2007  2 freshmen..11 players;  2007-2008  4 freshen ..11 players; 2008-2009 3 freshmen 11 players..; 2009-2010 4 freshmen..11 players (went to NCAA)

Sometimes one might do better with fewer players....EMU has taken in 10 or so freshmen this year and last..and has always had 14-16 on their rooster.  Perhaps the coach doesn't want to deal with what those numbers present in issues....playing time etc.

I rather have 8 good ones than 16 ok ones.  8-)

No doubt the team has always been a little light. From your numbers above, 11 players seems to be about the norm, 3-5 FYs. That's what I was angling for. Gives you a few backups, a few players to learn and grow, and room for some dropouts. I have no issue with this at all (although, as I said before, I have heard nothing but good things about Coach King and have no issue with her at all anyway!).

However, the last two years are a problem, especially with 4 seniors and 3 juniors, out of 9 players. Good upperclass leadership for this year, really bad for next year and beyond. I don't see a real reason why a D3 bball program needs 15-20 players, but I do see why one should have 10-15 players. With "8 good ones" you have no flexibility if someone gets hurt. If you lose 2 players, you have 1 substitute. Its not unheard of to have 1 or 2 players injured or, like last year, 1 player broadening her horizons at another school to start the season (again, not something I have an issue with as school comes first, just something that requires more bodies on the bench to account for).

With 9 players, 7 upperclassmen, the cupboard looks empty for next year when you will be playing FY recruits. With one more bad year (less than 4 recruits), you won't have enough players on the team in 2013/14 to play a full schedule. Looking at your numbers, there was only 1 year with 2 FYs. Coach King is now going on 2 years IN A ROW with 2 or fewer.

Regardless of personal opinion (and like I said, what little I know my personal opinion of Coach King is that she is excellent), that is a very, very bad 2 year outcome.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 30, 2011, 03:35:12 PM
I believe the low number of incoming players at W&L was caused by the turnover in the assistant coaching position.  Coach King has had improving numbers of wins and seems to produced a solid program.  Really like the new assistant coach and I know they had a high number of recruits on campus this fall.  The program is in good hands.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 30, 2011, 04:52:45 PM
Excellent. I'm very glad to hear there is a good reason. Hopefully the carousel will stabilize and the program will continue on the current upward trend. It has been a real pleasure to see both basketball teams improving over the last couple years.

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopsfan55 on December 02, 2011, 09:58:47 AM
While you all make very good points about the number of players at Washington and Lee, I have to disagree about the influence of the turnover in assistant coaches on the number of incoming players.  While assistant coaches obviously play a role in the recruiting process, a recruit is not choosing a school because of the assistant coach.  I think Coach King has many other obstacles that play a more significant role in bringing in players than the assistant coach situation.  It is not fair to compare her recruiting classes to those at EMU or really any other school in the ODAC.  The admissions standards at Washington and Lee are much higher than any other ODAC school.  It is also my understanding that coaches at Washington and Lee have no impact on admissions.  While other schools often allow coaches to have a "list" or "tips" for certain recruits, I do not believe that is the case at W&L.  Thus, Coach King is having to recruit students who are capable players and can meet the stringent admission standards.  She is most likely competing for recruits with Ivy league schools and other strong academic programs like those schools in the UAA and NESCAC, two of the traditionally strong DIII conferences.  I too have heard good things about Coach King but I suspect her challenges in recruiting will not end anytime soon.  Should she continue to bring in such small recruiting classes does anyone think she might pursue a position at another school where recruiting does not pose such a challenge?   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on December 02, 2011, 10:46:48 AM
The challenges, and benefits, of coaching at W&L are long established. They've been the same since the early 90s at least, and will continue, hopefully, well out into the future. Coach King has been at W&L dealing with the challenges, and benefits, of recruiting and coaching the caliber of student W&L requires for the last 9 years. While its not out of the realm of possibility she will decide to leave or someone will lure her away, it seems like she has settled in for a good run.

If you look at the W&L staff across sports, the head coaches tend to be very stable. That implies that there is something special about what happens in Lexington, and how W&L treats its people, even given the specific challenge.

Major team sports:
Stickley (baseball): 26 seasons
Hutchinson (MBBall): 9 seasons
Miriello (football): 17 seasons as head coach, much longer as an assistant
McCabe (MLax): 6 seasons
Piranian (MSoccer): 36 seasons
Diamond (WLax): 5 seasons
Orrison (FH): 11 seasons (since program inception)
Cunningham (WSoccer): 11 seasons
Snyder (Vball): 12 seasons

Individual Sports:
Tucker (M-XC): 23 seasons
Shinofield (M-Swim): 9 seasons
Detwiler (MTennis): 12 seasons
Shearer (MWrestling): first season following Gary Franke, retired after 38 seasons
Hoey (W-XC/Track): 8 seasons/9 seasons respectively
Gardner (WSwim): 5 seasons
Ishida (WTennis): 5 seasons

New Coaches:
Gyscek (M/W Golf) 1 season
Uhl (M Track) 1 season

Jan Hathorn, the AD, is a true W&L icon. She was the women's lax and soccer coach for 15-20 years in each sport before taking over and, in my opinion, has done an excellent job as the AD. She knows what kind of coach is needed in Lexington and isn't interested in people looking to use the Generals as a "stepping-stone" to a bigger position. I don't think she would ever settle for mediocrity, but she does understand the challenges and benefits of coaching at W&L having been one for so long herself. While she hasn't had too many hires (she became AD in '07 I believe, so from the list above those with 6 seasons or less roughly), she has held onto the coaches and W&L has suffered no drop off in the athletic department. The sheer number of ODAC President's Cups will point to that.

Lexington is a unique place and Coach King seems to have found a home there. I know W&L often struggles to hold on to young, unmarried professors as Lexington offers little for them. However, for the professor or coach looking to settle down and raise a family or settle down after raising a family at a school with excellent students, resources, and reputation, in a beautiful but quiet part of the world, W&L has an excellent track record of holding on to its best people academically and in athletics.



Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on December 02, 2011, 12:12:40 PM
W&L is a great school for the right student.  I still think losing Coach Pyzik hurt recruiting.  You need Coach King and an experienced assistant to be out recruiting.  The job is too much for just the head coach.  I know that my daughter has enjoyed W&L and her experience of being on the basketball team.  I know that athletes are not given any special help in the admission process at W&L.  Now all that being said, I believe that come ODAC tournament time, the Generals will be in the mix for the conference championship.  The senior class wants another championship to go with their other one during their sophomore year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on December 02, 2011, 02:51:57 PM
Looks like Coach Griffin has the Lady Royals in good shape for the season.  Here is a link to the story about EMU-RC game
http://emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2011-12/releases/20111130xvsgxe
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopsfan55 on December 02, 2011, 10:18:33 PM
I agree that W&L is a great school and the longevity of their coaches is very impressive.  Clearly it is a great institution to be a part of with the sense of community, a strong administration, and the resources available. 

With regards to the recruiting discussion, I am sure that Coach King is no stranger to the challenges of finding recruits who are capable of playing at the high level required in her program, and who are strong enough academically to be admitted to the University.  As stated, she has been doing this for 9 years.  But I suspect the challenges have increased dramatically over the last couple of years with the establishment of the Johnson Scholarships.  The first class of Johnson Scholars was in 2008-2009 (current seniors) and the drop in recruiting has occurred since then.  As stated by the admissions office, "In the four years since the Johnson Program was announced, we have seen dramatic increases in the number of prospective students who request that their standardized test scores be sent to us and to Ivy League schools and other prestigious institutions.  For example, we have had a 50 percent increase in the number of score reports sent to us and to Harvard, and a 61 percent increase with Stanford."  There is no question that this increase in strong applicants is going to significantly impact the academic profile required for athletes, thus posing a greater challenge than earlier in Coach King's career.  With that said, I think it is fantastic that W&L is becoming a stronger academic institution and continuing to build on an already impressive reputation.

Also, I do not think that losing Coach Pyzik can be used as an excuse for the drop in incoming recruits.  With Coach Pyzik on staff during the 2009-2010 season, she helped recruit the incoming class for 2010-2011... one player, who is no longer on the team.  I am not trying to speak negatively of Coach Pyzik.  I have great respect for her and I believe she is going to be extremely successful at Lynchburg.  I simply want to make the point that I don't think the assistant coaching changes are impacting recruiting.   I think Coach King has battles in recruiting that are much greater than changes in coaching personnel. 

Aside from these other discussion topics, I am very excited to see how W&L does this season.  They have a very talented team, despite the low numbers, and I think they will be very competitive in the ODAC as long as they stay out of foul trouble in games.  They have great senior leadership and several players who can provide significant scoring.  The one thing I was curious to see this season is how Ingram would transition to being the primary ballhandler.  I have yet to see the team play this year, but her numbers have been a little lower than I anticipated.  I am sure there will be a bit of a transition period for her moving to more of a point guard role, but I suspect that she will soon regain her scoring production of the past couple of seasons.  Has anyone seen W&L play yet this season and have any thoughts on their performance thus far? 
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Post by: jknezek on December 03, 2011, 07:45:40 AM
hoopsfan 55 -- I'm not sure I agree with your assertion about Coach Pyzik leaving, or that it is harder to recruit now than before since I'm not seeing any kind of drop off in W&L's other sports. Basketball, with only a few players needed, is necessarily a very hands on recruiting process, and the loss, or distraction, of an assistant coach is brutal to the process.

However, I certainly don't know for sure and you could be absolutely correct. Either way, that was a great post and it deserved +K! Thanks for the great analysis.

I have yet to see a game as my wife is currently 36 weeks pregnant with twins and I'm busting hump around the house with all the other chores, but I'm sure I'll catch one over the computer sooner or later. Birmingham is just too far of a drive from Lex for me to get up there in person this year!
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Post by: hoopsfan55 on December 03, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
jknezek - Congratulations on the twins!  I am sure you and your wife are excited about those additions to the family.  Also, you do make good points and I guess it is just difficult to know the extent of all these different factors on the small recruiting classes without having the insider information.  Interesting discussion nonetheless. 

Some exciting games in the ODAC today.  Great win by W&L against RMC.  I suspect the dramatic increase in offensive production by Ingram significantly impacted that outcome.  Also a surprisingly close game between E&H and Roanoke - despite the final score, the game was tied with about 5 minutes left.  Is anyone else surprised by the susceptibility of the traditional power houses so far this season?  I cannot remember the last time Roanoke started a season 0-4 and Randolph Macon 2-4. 

Early on EMU and Virginia Wesleyan seem to be the front runners in the conference.  How good Virginia Wesleyan is still remains to be seen as they have yet to face some of the tougher conference teams.  However, EMU has had some impressive early conference wins over Roanoke, RMC, and Bridgewater.  It will be fun to see Va Wes and EMU face off in a week. 

Two teams that are usually bottom-dwellers have had solid starts to their seasons as well - E&H and Hollins both seem to be more competitive than in years past.  It will be exciting to see if they are able to pull off some upsets this season. 
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Post by: Bammer on December 04, 2011, 05:04:26 PM
Excellent point hoopsfan55 about the Johnson Scholarships.  Really good feeling beating RMC this Saturday.  The Generals will be a force come tournament time and I suspect RMC will also.  Go Generals
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Post by: wmjofva on December 08, 2011, 09:12:53 AM
Dec. 7  Hollins  63  Washington & Lee  56  Final    Wow!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2011, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on December 08, 2011, 09:12:53 AM
Dec. 7  Hollins  63  Washington & Lee  56  Final    Wow!!!
Sign of the Endtimes!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on December 08, 2011, 12:07:56 PM
Just a forgettable day for W&L athletics. Blown out in men's bball and a tough to swallow loss in women's bball. Oh well. Hopefully they will get stronger as the season goes on. It seems to be a pattern for the team the last few years.
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Post by: hoopsfan55 on December 08, 2011, 02:57:02 PM
It definitely was a tough day for the Generals yesterday.  Bammer, were you at the game?  I got to watch the game on the webcast, but obviously that is not the same as being there.  I'm just curious if you could tell what the strategy was from the bench.  It seemed like W&L had a difficult time finding an effective defensive strategy. 
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Post by: Bammer on December 08, 2011, 03:18:44 PM
It appeared to me that 1 team wanted the game more.  Poor execution on defense and not very good movement on offense.  Slow starts for the last 3 years with good finishes.  I only hope that this year's team follows that pattern.  It will have to get better and show more heart if it is to improve.
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Post by: hoopsfan55 on December 08, 2011, 04:22:00 PM
Bammer, I agree that it seemed like Hollins outhustled W&L for a lot of the game.  I also agree that W&L has had a tendency over the past few years to start off a little slower and get progressively better over the season.  I certainly hope that is the case again this year. 

On a different note, the comment made by Ralph Turner prompted me to do a little research on whether the win by Hollins is as much of an anomaly as he makes it seem.  In listening to the commentators last night on the webcast, they seemed to agree with Ralph Turner and considered this a major upset and one of the biggest wins in the last 10 years of Hollins basketball.  I do agree that this is a major win for the Hollins program.  But after a brief analysis of the team statistics this game does not actually seem too surprising.  I compared the W&L statistics for this game to their season statistics and they almost perfectly mirror their stats from their other 5 games.  Their free throw shooting was poorer, but I do not think enough FT's were taken for this to make a significant difference.  In looking at the Hollins stats, their FG% was better than their other games (44% vs 38%) but their 3FG% was significantly lower (23% vs 31%).  The most noticeable difference in their stats was their turnovers.  They had 10 against W&L and averaged around 19 TO's in their other games.  This may go back to Bammer's point of W&L needing to show more heart, specifically on the defensive end.  But, based on the season stats versus the stats in the game last night, it does appear that the outcome of the game was not necessarily all that surprising. 

I must admit that I was a little surprised by my analysis as this is strikingly different from Hollins teams in years past.  After looking at their schedule from this year though, three of their four losses have been by less than 5 points, including a loss to a Richard Stockton team that made it to the NCAA tournament last year.  Also, I was very impressed by a couple of the Hollins players.  Greene is one of the more dynamic and explosive players I have seen recently in the ODAC.  While she didn't put up many points, her statistics were impressive - 11 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals.  It will be interesting to see if she plays at that level throughout the course of the season.  It will also be fun to see Ingram and Greene battle it out again in the rematch. 

Anyway, while this may be a tough loss for the Generals to take heading into exams, I am optimistic that this will give them some motivation to work hard and put forth more effort in their next game against a tough CNU team.  I have no doubt that Coach King will refocus the team and have them playing at a higher level in a week and a half. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 13, 2011, 10:50:23 AM
We go into Christmas with EMU sitting near top (4-1) and Virginia Wesleyan & RMC sitting on the warm beaches of Fla and PR.   8-)

Virginia Wesleyan looks good at 4-0; and who would have thought Hollins would be 3-1 and ahead of a lot of other powers.

Looking at RMC play by play of many of their earlier games I see for example..rebound at 8:10 and then 8:06 missed 3 pt attemp.... 4 secs...; other time 7/8 sec then a 3 pt attempt on the 30 sec shot clock..Whoa!!!   Girls you can get THAT shot at any tiime in the 30 sec span.  First of all 1. the defense has only played defense for 4-8 sec..they have hardly bent over in their defensive stance 2.  the defense is between their man and the basket...so you will be out rebounded for the game 3. now instead of being able to rest as the play is run on offense , everyone has to run back down the court and work hard at defense or are we going back to giving up the 3 ft layup so we can run down and take the 23 ft shot????

If we run the play options, it works the defense, gets them out of rebounding position, we can rest as we set picks, or move around, and we can get our feet set for our longer shots.

The seniors played with the 2008-2009 team, which was a very good one.  Amanda Hiltunen hit 40% of her 3 pt shots..Lindsay Riesbeck (who I consider one of the best offensive players on the east coast..didn't take but 2 3pt attempts all year...some might consider if they should be taking 3pters..it's good to know you range..Lindsay did.   Maggie Roy hit 40% of her 3 pters that year...this year she is at 22%..the difference is THAT TEAM  moved the ball around, ran their offense and when Maggie got her shot, she wasn't rushing..ofcourse Amanda got the best defender during that year.  Interestly all the seniors now, who were freshmen had better 3 pt %'s...then.  It's great to have players who will share the ball and set picks for you..ofcourse no one but the team knows their names...cause that doesn't get in the papers.....only who scored the most..right?????

As the point position gets experience and the team works out how and who will set the plays, then the talent that exits will shine....it would be great to be Virginia Wesleyan 4-0 on the beach, but 2-2 in PR while everyone else is in the cold...isn't too bad, esp when your best basketball is ahead of you!!
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Post by: 2RMCFans on December 15, 2011, 05:26:05 PM
Just signing in to wish everyone a Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and of course a Happy New Year... hope the Jackets have success (and fun!) in Puerto Rico this weekend.  We will be following the team from home & wishing safe travels to our wonderful R-MC team, staff and families.

GO JACKETS!!! 
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Post by: Bammer on December 20, 2011, 10:21:28 AM
Good road win for the Generals over Christopher Newport, 51-50.  Good job on the boards and coming through in the clutch.
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Post by: wmjofva on December 20, 2011, 11:16:53 AM
Dec. 3  Methodist *  L, 64-60  Final Box Box Recap 
 
Dec. 17  at Mary Washington  L, 52-48  Final Box 
 
Dec. 19  Wash. & Lee  L, 51-50  Final Box Box Box Box 

Wow...three in a row for Christopher Newport..you wonder if someone key is hurt or what..they were putting the number on ODAC teams.

Great win for WL; you have to wonder if it's going to be that kind of year...really good or really bad?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: sumfun on December 20, 2011, 01:00:56 PM
Hard to get a new head coach and replace your leading scorer in one year.  It may take a year or two to put it all together again and gel as a team not relying on Schweers.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 06, 2012, 03:50:11 PM
This board is sooooo quiet this season. 

Wishing the Yellow Jackets a good weekend of games;

and Happy New Year to the ODAC!

GO JACKETS!!!!
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Post by: BH2OFan on January 06, 2012, 04:16:40 PM
Agreed- very quiet. Too bad- seems like there will be a LOT of competitive games top to bottom.
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Post by: hasanova on January 06, 2012, 11:29:04 PM
Guilford went on a 23-6 run to end the game versus Randolph-Macon tonight in Greensboro.  The 90-75 win by the Quakers ended an 18 game losing streak to the Jackets (4-6, 2-3) dating to 2003.  Congratulations to the 8-2, 5-0 Quakers!  VWC visits tomorrow afternoon!
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Post by: hoopstermom on January 07, 2012, 08:18:52 AM
I was able to catch some of the 2nd half of this R-MC/Guildford game on the internet.  When I joined, R-MC actually had a small lead and I was a bit surprised to see them hold their own.  Then when Gibbs hit that 3-pointer that kicked off Guildford's final run, it was all she wrote.  Gabby Olgesby is AMAZING.  She has a smooth shot and an excellent eye for the basket from either side of the rim, making quite a few spinning, fall away jumpers under pressure.  Not to mention, she doesn't miss a free throw too often.

Macon showed they are capable of winning if keep their wits about them. The last five minutes of the game they seemed to rush their shots and were out of position on both ends of the court. The results were poor shot selection and unnecessary fouls allowing Guilford lots of free points.

Guilford, on the other hand, didn't panic when they fell behind (a team they were supposed to beat) and stuck to their game plan.  They could go down low to Olgesby all night long and I don't think anyone could stop her.

Congrats to GC for breaking a long losing streak against Macon.  I definitely want to catch some of their game today against VWC.  Winner takes lone possession of 1st place in the ODAC.

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Post by: y_jack_lok on January 07, 2012, 08:37:58 AM
Yes, Guilford looked good. But it wasn't just the last 5 minutes that R-MC was rushing shots. Seemed like that was often the case during the last 10 minutes of the first half and about the first 10 or 12 of the second half, which is all I saw. Also, some of the worst passing I've seen from an R-M team, plus an inability to hang onto the ball in loose ball situations. Perhaps some of these problems can be attributed to the long holiday layoff. Guilford did play on Tuesday, after their own long layoff. But this R-M team has some work to do.
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Post by: hoopstermom on January 07, 2012, 06:14:41 PM
Guilford over Virginia Weslyan 75-66. 
    Sad, as well as a bit irritating, the game announcer (on audio feed) referred to VWC players as the Mariners  ::) throughout the game.   I guess not as bad as Nessler referring to WVU football team as being part of VA.

R-MC over Emory and Henry 82-66
   LaHaye reaches 499 with this win. Could reach 500 at home next Tuesday when they face VWC.  Tough one but not impossible and maybe a little extra motivation for Macon to play to their potential.

W&L comes back from an early big deficit to beat Bridgewater 62-53. 

Hollins over Lynchburg 73-71

GC takes over 1st in ODAC
VWC now tied with EMU with one loss each (but VWC holds the edge with a win over EMU)

Big bunch up of teams with 3 losses including Hollins, Bridgewater, W&L and R-MC

Very interesting and new look in the standings.  Guilford is closest to playing up to their pre-season expectations.

Oh, how I love the game.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 07, 2012, 11:03:53 PM
Sorry about the Guilford announcer referring to the Marlins as the Mariners ... not sure who he/she was, but I'm sure the announcer was a student.  Regardless, that demonstates a lack of motivation to do your homework before the game - inexcusable.  I understand why that would be annoying.  I feel the same way when I consistently see Guilford incorrectly spelled as "Guildford."
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 08, 2012, 10:43:44 AM
Looks like the ODAC will be a wild scramble if Guilford comes back to the pack.  W&L hard to figure out this year but you can certainly say they are a scrappy team that refuses to quit.  Becca Bolton is a double-double machine.  Ingram seems to pull them together and make a play or pass when needed.  The game Tuesday at home against EMU is huge.  Maybe not the best pure basketball this year in the ODAC but it is interesting and exciting most games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 11, 2012, 11:01:42 AM
Quakers over Randolph on the road last night, 70-52, for their tenth straight win - the most since the 2002 NCAA team.  It looked as though Coach Flamini substituted liberally - she knows tougher tests are ahead on the BC/EMU trip this Friday and Saturday.  Gabby Oglesby had 6 blocks last night - doesn't look as though anyone else in the ODAC is even close in that category.  Anyway, a solid 10-2, 7-0 start for Guilford. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 13, 2012, 11:12:31 AM
Should be an interesting weekend with league leading Guilford going to Bridgewater and EMU.  I would not be surprised if they split these 2 games. 
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Post by: y_jack_lok on January 13, 2012, 09:56:41 PM
R-MC over Roanoke 82-70. If I'm not mistaken, that is career coaching win #500 for Carroll LaHaye. Congratulations!
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Post by: hasanova on January 13, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
Guilford won their 11th game in a row tonight with a hard-fought 63-62 OT win at Bridgewater.  BC's Jenny Logan hit a three to send it to overtime and the Eagles hit a lay-up with 11 seconds to go in extra time to take a 62-61 lead.  Guilford's Gabby Oglesby, however, hit a jumper with 0.6 seconds left to give the Quakers the victory.

League leading Guilford improves to 11-2, 8-0, while Bridgewater falls to 6-5, 4-4.  Big game for GC at EMU tomorrow.  The Royals all over E&H tonight, 90-51, and I expect the Eagles to also rebound (pun intended) versus the Wasps tomorrow.

Speaking of E&H, are they really serious about fielding a competitive women's team?  I only count a 22-game schedule and their only win was over Hiwassee, a team that's probably at the bottom of the collegiate rung.  Some of E&H's games have been close, but many have not.
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Post by: 2RMCFans on January 14, 2012, 08:43:50 AM
CONGRATULATIONS COACH LAHAYE!!  500 and counting.

Congratulations, Jackets, you brought us a great win on a memorable night!

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 14, 2012, 08:44:25 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 13, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
Speaking of E&H, are they really serious about fielding a competitive women's team?  I only count a 22-game schedule and their only win was over Hiwassee, a team that's probably at the bottom of the collegiate rung.  Some of E&H's games have been close, but many have not.
hasanova, while I certainly defer to your experience in all things basketball based on your experience on this board, this comment comes across as just a bit condescending.
Look, here is everything I know about E&H:
1. It's far from where I live in Northern VA- step off the South quad and you're in a different state
2. They play my beloved Eagles today
3. Did I mention it's far?
After 5 minutes on the web site, I see:
3 seniors, 3 sophomores, NINE freshman- lots of on the job training now, add a few pieces later and you will have a Hollins situation in a couple of years
New coach hired in June- not a lot of prep time, recruiting time, scheduling time etc.

Great game last night at BC. The Eagles are deep at the post and experienced in the backcourt, and will do some damage in the league before it's over with.
I predict EMU will best Guilford (spell checked:)) today.
Saw that Lynchburg defeated W&L last night too- looks like the Hornets shot the ball very well from the field and would have won much bigger if they could have netted some free throws.

That is all.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 14, 2012, 06:06:50 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on January 14, 2012, 08:44:25 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 13, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
Speaking of E&H, are they really serious about fielding a competitive women's team?  I only count a 22-game schedule and their only win was over Hiwassee, a team that's probably at the bottom of the collegiate rung.  Some of E&H's games have been close, but many have not.
hasanova, while I certainly defer to your experience in all things basketball based on your experience on this board, this comment comes across as just a bit condescending.
Look, here is everything I know about E&H:
1. It's far from where I live in Northern VA- step off the South quad and you're in a different state
2. They play my beloved Eagles today
3. Did I mention it's far?
After 5 minutes on the web site, I see:
3 seniors, 3 sophomores, NINE freshman- lots of on the job training now, add a few pieces later and you will have a Hollins situation in a couple of years
New coach hired in June- not a lot of prep time, recruiting time, scheduling time etc.

Great game last night at BC. The Eagles are deep at the post and experienced in the backcourt, and will do some damage in the league before it's over with.
I predict EMU will best Guilford (spell checked:)) today.
Saw that Lynchburg defeated W&L last night too- looks like the Hornets shot the ball very well from the field and would have won much bigger if they could have netted some free throws.

That is all.
BH20, thanks for your comments.  Mine weren't meant to be condescending, but I do apologize if I haven't fully researched their situation.  It is quite noticeable, however, that they are not playing the fully allowed 25-game DIII schedule - and perhaps that is by design.  All teams go through rebuilding from time to time, but E&H seems to be in a perpetual state.

On a personal note, I now live in NC, but I was born and raised in southwest VA.  Perhaps, in many ways, I'm still closer to the culture of Emory, VA than you are in Northern Virginia.  I'm sure you'll agree that most native Virginians would consider Northern VA, both culturally and geographically, to be a light year away from the rural southwestern part of the state.  I know I do.

Good luck to the Wasps in 2012!
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Post by: Brookland on January 15, 2012, 02:34:04 PM
Quotemost native Virginians would consider Northern VA, both culturally and geographically, to be a light year away from the rural southwestern part of the state.
Hasanova,
After living in Virginia on and off for almost 20 years I agree with one caveat: that opinion is not limited to southwestern VA! I remember a tongue-in-cheek discussion with a Richmond native as to exactly where we should post the signs saying "Welcome to the great state of North Virginia"...  ;)
BH2OFan,
I watched the Lynchburg/W&L game and finally saw the Hornet team I have been waiting to see all season. Although their hot shooting stood out in the stats, my observation was that a major difference compared to earlier games was a greater commitment to defense. That became a critical factor in the second half when W&L came back hard. In the same situation in earlier games, the LC women seemed to fade and end up losing a scoring contest. This time they made W&L work for every basket and answered with their own when it counted. If they continue to play with the same passion and confidence (and, yes, improve at the stripe!), the rest of their season could surprise some folks.
It was also a nice win for Coach Pyzik against her former mentor. Go Hornets!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 16, 2012, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: Brookland on January 15, 2012, 02:34:04 PM
Quotemost native Virginians would consider Northern VA, both culturally and geographically, to be a light year away from the rural southwestern part of the state.
Hasanova,
After living in Virginia on and off for almost 20 years I agree with one caveat: that opinion is not limited to southwestern VA! I remember a tongue-in-cheek discussion with a Richmond native as to exactly where we should post the signs saying "Welcome to the great state of North Virginia"...  ;)
BH2OFan,
I watched the Lynchburg/W&L game and finally saw the Hornet team I have been waiting to see all season. Although their hot shooting stood out in the stats, my observation was that a major difference compared to earlier games was a greater commitment to defense. That became a critical factor in the second half when W&L came back hard. In the same situation in earlier games, the LC women seemed to fade and end up losing a scoring contest. This time they made W&L work for every basket and answered with their own when it counted. If they continue to play with the same passion and confidence (and, yes, improve at the stripe!), the rest of their season could surprise some folks.
It was also a nice win for Coach Pyzik against her former mentor. Go Hornets!
I know Jonesville, the county seat of Virginia's Lee County, is farther west than E&H and the town of Emory (and the entrie state of West Virginia!), but I once heard Jonesville was geographically closer to eight other state capitals than it was to Richmond!  Let's see:  Atlanta, Charleston, Columbia, Columbus, Frankfort, Indianapolis, Nashville and Raleigh.  Here's one of many sites that talks about it:

http://www.howderfamily.com/blog/remote-southwestern-virginia/ 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on January 16, 2012, 12:40:50 PM
  This has always been my favorite geographical trivia question.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 18, 2012, 11:22:02 AM
A question for R-MC followers. Does the college charge admission to anyone to attend women's basketball games?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 18, 2012, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 18, 2012, 11:22:02 AM
A question for R-MC followers. Does the college charge admission to anyone to attend women's basketball games?
The last 2 years, no. But Bridgewater hasn't traveled there yet this year, so I defer to 2RMCFans for the latest.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 18, 2012, 02:23:20 PM
Still no admission to women's games at R-MC. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 18, 2012, 03:47:39 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 18, 2012, 02:23:20 PM
Still no admission to women's games at R-MC.

Good to know. Wish that were true for men's games also. At the very least I hope reveune from ticket sales to men's games supports the athletic department as a whole and not just the men's basketball program.

In January 2006 and January 2007 when the ODAC was still scheduling men's and women's weekend double headers I traveled back east to Ashland to see Saturday and Sunday double header's against Emory & Henry and Guilford both years. Four games in two days, two years in a row. I loved it. But I was surprised when I arrived for the women's game the first time to be asked if I was staying for the men's game. When I said I was, my hand was stamped and after leaving the gym after the women's game I was re-admitted free to the men's game, while those who came only for the men's game were paying admission. The same happened the next day and for the two double headers the following year. That struck me as very odd and inappropriate. I can understand charging for football, which is much more expensive to operate. But I think it's too bad that men's basketball seems to be valued more highly than women's basketball by the college. The women have had just as much success as the men.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 19, 2012, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: BH2OFan on January 18, 2012, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 18, 2012, 11:22:02 AM
A question for R-MC followers. Does the college charge admission to anyone to attend women's basketball games?
The last 2 years, no. But Bridgewater hasn't traveled there yet this year, so I defer to 2RMCFans for the latest.

Nor do they force the visitors to sit in the corner or on the hard seats....Bridgewater and EMU could learn from that.  I don't mind paying the $5 bucks (whatever) but I really didn't like the EMU director coming over and telling my 69 year old wife, she couldn 't sit on EMU's side,which had the soft seats and was safe to enter.   :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 19, 2012, 07:38:34 PM
At R-MC, typically the hard bench bleacher seats are where the students sit, but seating is open for anyone to sit anywhere most of the time.   

Following the end of the 2005 season*, Crenshaw gym was refurbished with a new floor, new ventilation, new seating and a new coat of paint.  The stadium backed seats were installed on one side of the gym with new bleacher bench seats on the other side.  The stadium seats are sometimes marked for R-MC alum and supporters and visiting team guests during men's games when a large crowd is expected.  Not usually marked off during women's games but fans typically sit in the seats behind their respective team benches.  The stadium seats are not cushioned, but are formed into a comfortable shape for mature bottoms and the seat back is a definite plus.

Interestingly, and I really have no knowledge as to why, the R-MC men's team always sits on the bench closest to the main gym entrance, while the R-MC women's team uses the seats closest to the far side of the gym.  Anyone know why that is?

*trivia note - the last game played on the old floor at Crenshaw was the sectional final with R-MC women vs George Fox during their run to the NCAA DIII Championship finals. R-MC won 63-51 propelling them into the final four championship round.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 20, 2012, 04:41:54 PM
As to the team seating, since Crenshaw was built in 1962, the men's teams sat closest to their respective locker rooms, thus the current arrangement.  When the women came along in the 1970s, I think they wanted to simply be different (and not conform to those men), thus reversing the seating arrangement.  Plus the RMC women are also closer to their locker room as well.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 20, 2012, 09:02:30 PM
Okay 78 - well the proximity to the locker room theory makes sense.  I was one of those players in the 70's and I can say for sure non-conformity was not on our minds in those days, it was just thankfulness to get to use the "big" gym at all to play our games.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 20, 2012, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: 78rmc on January 20, 2012, 04:41:54 PM
As to the team seating, since Crenshaw was built in 1962,

I know I'm being picky here, but I entered R-MC in the fall of 1963 and all 1963-64 games were played in Alumni Gym. I have fond memories of sitting on the old wood running track and watching Frank Kaminski demoralize opponents. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure construction on Crenshaw gym wasn't started until the end of the '63-'64 basketball season, and opened for competition with the '64-'65 season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 22, 2012, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 19, 2012, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: BH2OFan on January 18, 2012, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 18, 2012, 11:22:02 AM
A question for R-MC followers. Does the college charge admission to anyone to attend women's basketball games?
The last 2 years, no. But Bridgewater hasn't traveled there yet this year, so I defer to 2RMCFans for the latest.

Nor do they force the visitors to sit in the corner or on the hard seats....Bridgewater and EMU could learn from that.  I don't mind paying the $5 bucks (whatever) but I really didn't like the EMU director coming over and telling my 69 year old wife, she couldn 't sit on EMU's side,which had the soft seats and was safe to enter.   :)

While Bridgewater does post signs that would lead visitors to believe they should sit in the corners, I have a hard time believing anyone was ever chased out of any other seat in the gym. I took up my usual position opposite the benches a few rows up just about midcourt yesterday and was more or less surrounded by Yellow Jacket fans (a curiously quiet group ;D). 

With regards to admission, I don't have a complete rundown of who charges and who doesn't but it's interesting to note BC and EMU, who both do, are 1-2 in attendance so far this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on January 22, 2012, 05:32:29 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 20, 2012, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: 78rmc on January 20, 2012, 04:41:54 PM
As to the team seating, since Crenshaw was built in 1962,

I know I'm being picky here, but I entered R-MC in the fall of 1963 and all 1963-64 games were played in Alumni Gym. I have fond memories of sitting on the old wood running track and watching Frank Kaminski demoralize opponents. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure construction on Crenshaw gym wasn't started until the end of the '63-'64 basketball season, and opened for competition with the '64-'65 season.

Yes, you're right, Crenshaw opened in 1964.  '62 did sound early.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 22, 2012, 07:10:05 PM
I realize this may play itself out in the final nine ODAC games, but if the season ended today, who would win the regular season title?  VWC, GC and EMU are all 10-1 and the head-to-head games have VWC beating EMU, EMU beating GC and GC beating VWC.  What's the next tie-breaker?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 22, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
EMU, by virtue of a pre-season drawing.

http://static.psbin.com/s/u/sy4fzhr4xws9km/2011-12_ODAC_Manual.pdf

Pages 23-25
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 22, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on January 22, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
EMU, by virtue of a pre-season drawing.

http://static.psbin.com/s/u/sy4fzhr4xws9km/2011-12_ODAC_Manual.pdf

Pages 23-25
Thanks.  +1
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 23, 2012, 09:34:55 AM

While Bridgewater does post signs that would lead visitors to believe they should sit in the corners, I have a hard time believing anyone was ever chased out of any other seat in the gym. I took up my usual position opposite the benches a few rows up just about midcourt yesterday and was more or less surrounded by Yellow Jacket fans (a curiously quiet group ;D).  (Quote from BH20)


Interestly there were more parents from former players (RMC)at the Bridgwater game than playing parents.  We had great time talking during 1/2 time and after the game.  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

Bridgewater was impressive running their offensive until they got the shot they wanted. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 28, 2012, 09:27:21 PM
Just checked the ODAC scores today.  With Guilford winning over Roanoke while VWC and EMU lost to RMC and LC, respectively, that leaves the Quakers as the only ODAC team with one loss.  I know there's a long way to go, but I think this is the first time GC's been in first this late in the season in 9 or 10 years. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 30, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
Only one true upset this weekend, LC over EMU. And what a game it was!
Unlike most upsets, where the favored team is flat and the winning team is hot, I did not see "flatness" in EMC. LC came out strong, EMU battled back and led by 4 at the half. Second half was hard fought with great defense and clutch offense from both sides. Lots of hustle, lots of good ball movement. It came down to the final possession and the Hornets pulled it out. A great game to watch!
Both teams shot very well (LC 54%, EMU 49%) and the stats were remarkably close. Identical numbers for rebounds (31) and TOs (20), very close for most other stats. Not many fouls for such a hard-fought game: 11 for EMU, 9 for LC, but that includes 3 deliberate fouls by EMU at the end.
For EMU, some great efforts by Yoders (25 pts) and Ygarza (18 pts) inside and Rheinheimer from the arc (6 of 9 from 3pt range for her 18 pts). LC scoring was more balanced (Allan 26, Kelley 12, Crump 11, Greenlief 9, three players with 6). Biggest statistical differences were in assists (LC 23, EMU 17) and blocks (LC 7, EMU 0).
By the way, LC's Shannon Allan is looking like the leading contender for ODAC Rookie of the Year. Against EMU she had 25 pts, 6 rebs, 2 assists, 5 steals and 5 blocks. With seconds left in the game, she hit both ends of the 1-and-1 that put the Hornets up by 3 and then blocked the final EMU 3-pt attempt at the other end. At the moment, she is near the top of the ODAC in multiple categories (9th in points, 5th in rebounds, 2nd in blocks, 7th in steals).
Does anyone else have a candidate for ROY?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 30, 2012, 06:33:43 PM
I think Sarah Parsons from R-MC is another candidate to consider for ROY.

Comparisons of stats:
                        Parsons       Rank in ODAC             Allan   Rank in ODAC
Points Per Game   14.3               6th                      13.8      10th
Field Goal %       46.6               6th                       43.7      12th
Reb/Game            3.8                *                         7.2      10th
Free Throw %      81.8              2nd                      79.7      4th
Steals Per Game    2.1              6th                         1.8     11th
Blocks Per Game    0                *                           1.7      2nd
            
Parsons is not ranked in rebounds/game or blocks per game, but she's only 5'2". I can't believe she's even averaging almost 4 rebounds per game.  Rankings were as of info on ODAC site today.

Either would be good selections.              
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on January 30, 2012, 11:09:07 PM
 I'll put in a plug for Sara Seipp of Va. Wesleyan for ROY; we'll see what happens in the rest of the season. Sara made the most improvement during her senior high school year of any player I watched and she seems to be continuing that this season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on January 31, 2012, 12:21:10 AM
For any eagle-eyed observers who noted the differences in ODAC rankings quoted for Shannon Allan by me and Hoopstermom, please note that I was quoting totals while she was quoting per game stats, so we are both correct as of today's numbers. I also note that Ms. Seipp is eighth in scoring and second in steals in the ODAC. Top twenty in some other stats.
OK, we're up to 3 impressive contenders! Any other suggestions? We need some more traffic on this board!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 31, 2012, 08:34:23 AM
You are right Ronk, Sarah Seipp from VWC is definitely another good choice. 

Leading frosh performers from each team based on quick review of individual team stats that may also be deserving of a closer look include:

Taylor Duggins - Roanoke
Logan Harder - Guilford
Shannon Thorne - Bridgewater
Christie Langley - E&H
Brianna Lowry - Randolph
Lauren Morris - Hollins

W&L doesn't have any freshman with significant playing time, so hard to realisticly suggest one for FOY
EMU has a number of freshman that all have contributed to their great success this year: Raiven Patterson, Alisa Brown and Shakeerah Sykes.

Will certainly come down to which of these kids contributes most to the final standing of their respective team.

On a slightly different note, but related to top performers, I'm picking Gabby Oglesby of Guilford for POY.  She is the spark that has been the key to Guilford's success.  3rd in scoring and 5th in rebounding in the conference. Other contenders include Bianca Ygarza, EMU and Taylor Wieczorek-RMC.   

I pick Kevin Griffin of EMU as COY with Stephanie Flamini of Guilford or even Jim Phillips of Hollins as close 2nds in this category.  Griffin because he's done so much with all his youngsters to get them to play so well.  In pre-season rankings, EMU was only picked to finish 5th.  Phillips has already notched as many wins as last year's record high number and will surely pick up more this year.  They are on track to make the playoffs which I don't remember how far back it's been since that happened. Flamini's team was supposed to be a top contender, but still, meeting expectations does not diminish Guilford's accomplishments.  I think any of these coaches are deserving.

How about some other opinions!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 31, 2012, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 31, 2012, 08:34:23 AM
How about some other opinions!

OK!

POY- I think the answer to "how will BC replace Burkholder" is Jessica Mullen. Leading the ODAC in scoring and steals, has passed the ball very well lately and crept into the top 10 in assists.


COY- If none of the current top 3 teams distinguish themselves significantly above the rest between now and the end of the year, and Hollins doesn't fall off the end of the earth, I would vote for Jim Phillips.

ROY- No opinion just yet, will have to pay closer attention!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2012, 08:06:37 AM
POY  Not counting last night's game, Guilford's Gabby Oglesby is 3rd in Scoring (16.1 ppg), 5th in Rebounding (7.6 rpg), 4th in FG% (.498), 12th in FT% (.705) and 1st in Blocks (36).  I can tell you she had 6 more blocks last night, so her new total's 42.  The Quakers are currently 15-3, 12-1 and in first place and she's a big reason why.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 01, 2012, 09:06:52 AM
Sarah Parsons of RMC reminds me of Katty Herr of Bridgwater of years ago... ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 01, 2012, 02:39:34 PM
Anybody have any information on the nature and extent of Moat's injury? She went down with a knee (found this out later), the broadcasters didn't report anything that I heard and the camera cut away while she was being attended to.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopsfan55 on February 02, 2012, 12:48:33 AM
I think the POY discussion is intriguing.  I tried to do my own analysis of several of the potential candidates in what I consider the major statistical categories.  I'm keeping the names out of it to start although it may be obvious who these various people are.  Here is what I found:

PLAYER 1:
Scoring: 1st
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  NR/NR/NR
FG%: 15th
Assists: 10th
FT%: 1st
Steals: 1st
3FG%: 13th
Blocked shots: NR
Assist/TO ratio: NR
Minutes played: 9th

PLAYER 2:
Scoring: 2nd
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  6th/12th/4th
FG%: NR
Assists: 1st
FT%: NR
Steals: 2nd
3FG%: NR
Blocked shots: NR
Assist/TO ratio: 5th
Minutes played: 1st

PLAYER 3:
Scoring: 3rd
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  5th/9th/5th
FG%: 4th
Assists: NR
FT%: 12th
Steals: NR
3FG%: NR
Blocked shots: 1st
Assist/TO ratio: NR
Minutes played: NR

PLAYER 4:
Scoring: 5th
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  NR/NR/NR
FG%: NR
Assists: 5th
FT%: 3rd
Steals: 5th
3FG%: 8th
Blocked shots: 13th
Assist/TO ratio: 3rd
Minutes played: 2nd

Given those stats here are my thoughts: First, Player 1 has impressive stats in the scoring department and the steals.  In general her other stats are lower than the other 3 candidates.  Player 2 is ranked pretty high in almost every major category.  Player 3 has good scoring, rebounding, and block numbers.  She is impressive like Player 1, but not nearly as complete as Player 2.  Player 4 actually has a very complete game as well with the exception of the rebounding statistics.  Next the intangibles come in to play.  Player 1 is Mullen from Bridgewater - clearly she has stepped up this year to fill some large shoes which is important to consider; however, Bridgewater was picked 3rd in the preseason poll and while a top 3 finish is in reach, it is going to be hard to catch up to those top teams.  Thus, it could be argued that Bridgewater has slightly underachieved this season based on the preseason polls.  Player 2 is Greene from Hollins.  Of the four players I chose to assess, her numbers are probably the most complete.  When looking at Hollins performance this season, they are sitting in 6th place after having been picked to finish 9th in the preseason poll.  The team is 8-10 overall, which is an impressive improvement from a rebuilding team that had 1 total win from 2006-2009.  Player 3 is Oglesby from Guilford.  She clearly is a special player, but her rebounding is on par with that of Greene, who is a point guard.  The intangible factor for Oglesby is the fact that Guilford is having such a fantastic season.  They were picked 2nd in the preseason poll and are living up to and arguably exceeding the high expectations for this team.  Player 4 is Roy from Randolph Macon.  I thought I would throw her into the mix, because even though some of her numbers are not as high as the others, she is a complete player who contributes to her team significantly in a variety of ways; however, Randolph Macon was picked to finish 1st in the conference and is uncharacteristically underachieving a bit, currently 5th in the standings.   

Lots of things to consider in the POY conversation.  I know Oglesby and Mullen have been mentioned as top candidates but its hard to dismiss Greene as being a front runner in that discussion as well. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 03, 2012, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 23, 2012, 09:34:55 AM
  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

It's important to distinguish that that group might not have lost at BC, but they did lose to BC- twice in fact- During the Eagles tournamant championship run in 2008, and in Ashland January 2010.

I remember the game when your daughter had the protective mask- my then 11 year old son asked what it was for and his mother deadpanned, "she bit a player in their last game!". His reaction was so priceless I couldn't hold back a laugh so we let him off the hook pretty quick.
No letters please, we kid because we care :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 03, 2012, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: hoopsfan55 on February 02, 2012, 12:48:33 AM
I think the POY discussion is intriguing.  I tried to do my own analysis of several of the potential candidates in what I consider the major statistical categories.  I'm keeping the names out of it to start although it may be obvious who these various people are.  Here is what I found:


hoopsfan55, what was your cutoff number in your stat compilation where you listed NR? Just a curiosity question.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 03, 2012, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 03, 2012, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 23, 2012, 09:34:55 AM
  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

It's important to distinguish that that group might not have lost at BC, but they did lose to BC- twice in fact- During the Eagles tournamant championship run in 2008, and in Ashland January 2010.

R-MC losses to Bridgewater over previous 8 seasons (2002-2011) are four:
2/8/04 in Ashland 58-65;
1/3/06 @ Bridgewater 81-83 (2OT);
3/1/08 in Salem/ODAC Finals 64-70;
2/12/11 @ Bridgewater 68-72

Then there's the current season - already one loss in the book 55-71 at Bridgewater just a few weeks ago (1/21) with upcoming contest on 2/11/12.  Unless the Jackets can pull together and make a run for the playoffs, could be a sweep for BC this year.  That hasn't happened since the 2000-2001 season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 03, 2012, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 03, 2012, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 03, 2012, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 23, 2012, 09:34:55 AM
  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

It's important to distinguish that that group might not have lost at BC, but they did lose to BC- twice in fact- During the Eagles tournamant championship run in 2008, and in Ashland January 2010.

R-MC losses to Bridgewater over previous 8 seasons (2002-2011) are four:
2/8/04 in Ashland 58-65;
1/3/06 @ Bridgewater 81-83 (2OT);
3/1/08 in Salem/ODAC Finals 64-70;
2/12/11 @ Bridgewater 68-72

Then there's the current season - already one loss in the book 55-71 at Bridgewater just a few weeks ago (1/21) with upcoming contest on 2/11/12.  Unless the Jackets can pull together and make a run for the playoffs, could be a sweep for BC this year.  That hasn't happened since the 2000-2001 season.

R-MC losses to Bridgewater over previous 8 seasons (2002-2011) are five- and I spotted you the one you missed :) 1/31/10 in Ashland 68-57.

I'm liking this trend- 3 out of the last 4 ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 03, 2012, 04:31:44 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 03, 2012, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 23, 2012, 09:34:55 AM
  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

It's important to distinguish that that group might not have lost at BC, but they did lose to BC- twice in fact- During the Eagles tournamant championship run in 2008, and in Ashland January 2010.

I remember the game when your daughter had the protective mask- my then 11 year old son asked what it was for and his mother deadpanned, "she bit a player in their last game!". His reaction was so priceless I couldn't hold back a laugh so we let him off the hook pretty quick.
No letters please, we kid because we care :)


As my old ball coach used to say " why be a good loser, when with a little effort you can be a gracious winner!   ;D

The protective mask story is a great one.  May have been another daughter, as mine refused to wear one either before or after the operation.  Couple years before, when she got it broke the first time, they just stuffed cotton up her nose and put her back in.

The Bridgewater wins against that group were good ones in the ODAC tournament and at Ashland...great games with the wrong team winning.... ::) 

Reishbeck/Tuna four years had 10 conference losses; Silvia group four years had 12 conference losses, but the college feels the best team was 2004-2005 (Silvia)20-0 conf & National Championship game.

2002-2010 had all the players lapping each other's four years..this year's ball club still has a chance to right the ship and do very well....just as they did last year!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 03, 2012, 05:14:48 PM
  Having lost to that 2004-2005 team in the Final 4 semifinal, I can attest that that was a very strong squad with good inside players in addition to Sylva.The X factor in that game was a 2nd semester xfer(Merkel) from an upper level who contributed double figure scoring.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 03, 2012, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 03, 2012, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 03, 2012, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 03, 2012, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 23, 2012, 09:34:55 AM
  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

It's important to distinguish that that group might not have lost at BC, but they did lose to BC- twice in fact- During the Eagles tournamant championship run in 2008, and in Ashland January 2010.

R-MC losses to Bridgewater over previous 8 seasons (2002-2011) are four:
2/8/04 in Ashland 58-65;
1/3/06 @ Bridgewater 81-83 (2OT);
3/1/08 in Salem/ODAC Finals 64-70;
2/12/11 @ Bridgewater 68-72

Then there's the current season - already one loss in the book 55-71 at Bridgewater just a few weeks ago (1/21) with upcoming contest on 2/11/12.  Unless the Jackets can pull together and make a run for the playoffs, could be a sweep for BC this year.  That hasn't happened since the 2000-2001 season.

R-MC losses to Bridgewater over previous 8 seasons (2002-2011) are five- and I spotted you the one you missed :) 1/31/10 in Ashland 68-57.

I'm liking this trend- 3 out of the last 4 ;D

BH20 - Can't figure how I missed that date even when you pointed it out earlier in this discussion.   ;)  BC does seem to have R-MC's number.  I didn't compare when trying to go through the records, but might be curious enough to go back so see what other teams' records were against R-MC over that same period.  Would think BC five would be at or near the top.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopsfan55 on February 04, 2012, 01:23:51 AM
BH2O - I used the season statistics on the ODAC website.  They cut off various statistics at different points.  You can see them here:  http://www.odaconline.com/sports/wbkb/2011-12/statistics/confldrs.htm
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 04, 2012, 07:46:30 AM
Quote from: hoopsfan55 on February 02, 2012, 12:48:33 AM
I think the POY discussion is intriguing.  I tried to do my own analysis of several of the potential candidates in what I consider the major statistical categories.  I'm keeping the names out of it to start although it may be obvious who these various people are.  Here is what I found:

PLAYER 1:
Scoring: 1st
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  NR/NR/NR
FG%: 15th
Assists: 10th
FT%: 1st
Steals: 1st
3FG%: 13th
Blocked shots: NR
Assist/TO ratio: NR
Minutes played: 9th

PLAYER 2:
Scoring: 2nd
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  6th/12th/4th
FG%: NR
Assists: 1st
FT%: NR
Steals: 2nd
3FG%: NR
Blocked shots: NR
Assist/TO ratio: 5th
Minutes played: 1st

PLAYER 3:
Scoring: 3rd
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  5th/9th/5th
FG%: 4th
Assists: NR
FT%: 12th
Steals: NR
3FG%: NR
Blocked shots: 1st
Assist/TO ratio: NR
Minutes played: NR

PLAYER 4:
Scoring: 5th
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  NR/NR/NR
FG%: NR
Assists: 5th
FT%: 3rd
Steals: 5th
3FG%: 8th
Blocked shots: 13th
Assist/TO ratio: 3rd
Minutes played: 2nd


Who out there following this discussion would weigh minutes played against everything else they've accomplished- i.e. how efficient they are when they are on the floor? i give you the  BC vs. Hollins matchup from Thursday as a small example:


Greene- 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 0 blocks in 37 minutes
Mullen- 18 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks in 21 minutes

This one game snapshot shows a much wider gap than the reality that both players are worthy candidates, but I think I would consider efficiency if I had a vote (and no horse in the race :))
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 04, 2012, 08:40:09 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 03, 2012, 05:40:54 PM
BH20 - Can't figure how I missed that date even when you pointed it out earlier in this discussion.   ;)  BC does seem to have R-MC's number.  I didn't compare when trying to go through the records, but might be curious enough to go back so see what other teams' records were against R-MC over that same period.  Would think BC five would be at or near the top.

I went back nine seasons (2002-2003 through 2010-2011)- There appear to be some broken links on RMC's archive page before that. Including tournament games, the winningest programs vs. RMC in that time span:

EMU- 7
BC- 5
VWC- 5
Roanoke- 4
E&H- 3
W&L- 3
Lynchburg- 2
Randolph- 1
Perhaps I should rephrase "winningest programs"- 30 losses over nine years of a 20 game conference schedule is an eye-popping 83.3 winning percentage
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 04, 2012, 09:55:30 AM
A great win at home last night for the Jackets!  Nice job, team.

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 07, 2012, 09:32:40 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 03, 2012, 05:14:48 PM
  Having lost to that 2004-2005 team in the Final 4 semifinal, I can attest that that was a very strong squad with good inside players in addition to Sylva.The X factor in that game was a 2nd semester xfer(Merkel) from an upper level who contributed double figure scoring.

Wow!..I just checked Marta Merkel stats and she did score a lot when she transferred in.  By the time I saw her playing , they had converted her to a defensive 'glove'  She would cover the other teams' top offensive player (small forward-gurard) and just lock down!  She finished up 2007-2008.  It appears players who come from Div I to Div III play forever.  Bridgewater  had a player who played W.Va, JMU and then a long time at Bridgewater a few years ago.  Marta was one of my favorites!!

Regarding POY...is it the best basketball player pound for pound or key player on winning team.  Who makes the selection and who has won last 10 years...that might tell us how the vote will go.  I think Burkholder won it last year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 07, 2012, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 07, 2012, 09:32:40 AM
Regarding POY...is it the best basketball player pound for pound or key player on winning team.  Who makes the selection and who has won last 10 years...that might tell us how the vote will go.  I think Burkholder won it last year.

I think coaches select POY.  Over past 10 years, 6 were members of the conference or tourney championship team but other 4 were not, so I guess just based on total individual player stats.


Year   POY                     School   Conf Winner   Tourney Winner
2011   Jordan Burkholder       BC     RMC/BC                RMC
2010   Molly Ariail               RMC     RC                     W&L
2009   Molly Ariail               RMC     RMC/RC                RMC
2008   Molly Ariail               RMC     VWC                     BC
2007   Erin Hanson               RC     RMC                     RMC
2006   Megan Silva              RMC     RMC                     RMC
2005   Megan Silva              RMC     RMC                     RMC
2004   Megan Silva              RMC     EMU/BC                EMU
2003   Katrina Williams            RC     GC                     RMC
2002   Jessica Mentz             W&L     GC                     CG
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 07, 2012, 04:37:59 PM
I will add that it's a regular season award- all the superlatives are handed out the night before the tournament starts.
Obviously Airail and Silva were special players no matter what the team results were. Interesting to me that in 2007 Roanoke finished in 6th place when Hanson won. Anybody who has followed the ODAC longer than me remember the circumstances?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 08, 2012, 07:56:14 AM
Wow, the Jackets were really unsettled at home last night.  Credit to W & L, they brought some awesome game on both ends.

Hope we can regroup & finish the season strong!  GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 08, 2012, 08:26:52 AM
Good win for the Generals.  Strange season in that they have swept RMC, Roanoke and Bridgewater and are only 8-8 in conference play.  It should be an interesting end for the regular season.  Look for an ODAC tournament where anything could happen.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 08, 2012, 10:07:06 AM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 07, 2012, 04:37:59 PM
I will add that it's a regular season award- all the superlatives are handed out the night before the tournament starts.
Obviously Airail and Silva were special players no matter what the team results were. Interesting to me that in 2007 Roanoke finished in 6th place when Hanson won. Anybody who has followed the ODAC longer than me remember the circumstances?

Hanson was a special player, who could score inside and mid range.  She lit up RMC in first game of two conference with 28 pts for win and 17 pts in lost.  Roanoke was 16-11 at that point and RMC was 23-4.  I think she was named All American Div III that year.  Interestly in soccer she suffered a head injury and when she came back for her senior year, she just wasn't the same player..I know she didn't play the first part of her senior season.

That brings up something I like to futher address, as I may have made light of my child's injury, RMC has a protocol on concussions, etc.  Each player is tested before the season and if they are hurt and concussion is suspected then they must take the test again and the results must show they are in range of the first test, if not they don't play.   My daughter was reviewed by doctor and well as team before they allowed her to play again.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 08, 2012, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 08, 2012, 08:26:52 AM
Good win for the Generals.  Strange season in that they have swept RMC, Roanoke and Bridgewater and are only 8-8 in conference play.  It should be an interesting end for the regular season.  Look for an ODAC tournament where anything could happen.

Lots of up-and-down stretches for quite a few teams- RMC's solid win over Guilford was bookended by less than great showings vs. BC and W&L. Hollins finishes their season sweep of W&L last Tuesday, loses to BC by 21 Thursday (to be fair the Tues. game was double OT and the Eagles just wore them out in the second half). I agree the tournament is wide open.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 08, 2012, 12:21:40 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 08, 2012, 10:07:06 AM
Quote from: BH2OFan on February 07, 2012, 04:37:59 PM
I will add that it's a regular season award- all the superlatives are handed out the night before the tournament starts.
Obviously Airail and Silva were special players no matter what the team results were. Interesting to me that in 2007 Roanoke finished in 6th place when Hanson won. Anybody who has followed the ODAC longer than me remember the circumstances?

Hanson was a special player, who could score inside and mid range.  She lit up RMC in first game of two conference with 28 pts for win and 17 pts in lost.  Roanoke was 16-11 at that point and RMC was 23-4.  I think she was named All American Div III that year.  Interestly in soccer she suffered a head injury and when she came back for her senior year, she just wasn't the same player..I know she didn't play the first part of her senior season.

Agree with this assessment. I definitely remember her being a prolific scorer and definite team leader that made special things happen.  I'm betting she was a candidate for POY in other years she played as well, she just had the misfortune of playing several years concurrently with Silva.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 09, 2012, 06:14:52 PM
Congrats to Eastern Mennonite for being named #5 in South Region Poll.

What are others' thoughts about EMU making the NCAA tourney if they win all their remaining games except lose in the ODAC tourney finals?  That would put them with a 23-3 overall record and I would like to think they would get serious consideration even though not getting any votes in overall rankings at this time. 

I think if any other team wins the ODAC tourney, and EMU doesn't finish out the regular season 18-2 and win their quarterfinal and semi final games, the winner of the ODAC tourney will be our only rep in the NCAA tourney.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 10, 2012, 06:05:27 AM
EMU has a nice team but their out of conference schedule will hurt them.  They have not played a ranked team that I am aware of.  Overall, the best out of conference win for the ODAC would be the Generals beating #4 CNU at CNU.  To get at large bids, the strength of schedule must improve and a few NCAA wins would really help the ODAC.  Just win the ODAC tournament and you get a bid.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 10, 2012, 10:16:14 AM
I wish the ODAC would list all players and advise when they are injured...I see Mullen for Bridgewater didn't play Feb 4 or 7th and Moats has been gone from a leg/knee injury for some time.  EMU's good 6 footer..Sara Lamneck's last game was Dec 3rd...she is like the "man who never was" as she an two others at EMU have been removed from roster, but they couldn't cross them out of season team picture.

Why not list all the players.. play or not and say 0 min...injured or / coach's decision. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 10, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: Bammer on February 08, 2012, 08:26:52 AM
Good win for the Generals.  Strange season in that they have swept RMC, Roanoke and Bridgewater and are only 8-8 in conference play.

BUT so is RMC, Roanoke and Bridgewater...almost... :) :)

If I were WL...I would be licking my chops for the tournament....The 9th place team right now, could have a good weekend and sweep the ODAC championship.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 11, 2012, 08:12:32 AM
Quote from: Bammer on February 10, 2012, 06:05:27 AM
EMU has a nice team but their out of conference schedule will hurt them.  They have not played a ranked team that I am aware of.  Overall, the best out of conference win for the ODAC would be the Generals beating #4 CNU at CNU.  To get at large bids, the strength of schedule must improve and a few NCAA wins would really help the ODAC.  Just win the ODAC tournament and you get a bid.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&yr=2012&sub=11620

This list has EMU at number 99 in the nation, actually a few spots below VWC. I don't see one of the 20 at large bids coming either.

I would also like to see the ODAC teams build on strength of schedule by playing stronger out of conference teams. Travel budgets will dictate to a large degree how much better we can get as a group, as there are only so many higher quality opponents within day-trip driving distance. Plus, with an 11 team conference (soon to be 12 with Shenandoah), your opportunities within a 25 game schedule are small.
BC led at the half and hung around with Johns Hopkins, no. 4 in the mid-atlantic, very early in the year. I firmly believe we (all the ODAC) have the quality play to compete, but getting it noticed is the challenge.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 11, 2012, 08:27:54 AM
BIG day today-

Who will be first- EMU or VWC?
Who will be fourth- BC or RMC?
Can Guilford stay back on track against Lynchburg?
Can Roanoke complete the sweep of Hollins and get back in the tournament hunt?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 12, 2012, 09:57:02 AM
Great win for the Jackets at home on Senior Day yesterday.  We hope these 4 seniors know how much we will miss them.... on the court & off!

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 15, 2012, 12:44:38 PM
Sure is going to be a heartbreak for the last spot in the ODAC tournament.  By the way it looks and if the last 2 games go accordingly, Roanoke and Hollins may wind up with 7-13 records.  Roanoke's 2 wins over Hollins would put RC in and Hollins out.  As much as Hollins has improved, it is tough for them to not make it.  Another spot up for grabs is the 5 spot.  If BC loses to Guilford and beats E&H and W&L can beat Lynchburg and Randolph, W&L gets the 5 spot due to them sweeping BC.  It looks like the EMU and Guilford game is for the 2 spot.  Should be a good finish and hopefully a good tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 15, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
Bammer,
Agreed! Personally I am happy that my Hornets will not be part of that heartbreak. I know that most of the chatter on this board is about the teams in the top half of the standings, but Coach Pyzik has done a really good job this year bringing her team along, and their play has improved steadily since mid-season. Their win over Roanoke last night was not a fluke; they started the game with a huge run and never looked back. Roanoke never managed to cut the lead to single digits. Add that to their solid win (admittedly an upset) of EMU, and very respectable play against some of the conference leaders, and we fans have some reason to hope.
I think this tournament could hold some surprises, and LC is not the only candidate to pull them off. I am really looking forward to a competitive tournament. My only prediction: no cakewalks!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 16, 2012, 06:08:31 AM
Coach Pyzik has done a solid job at Lynchburg.  Brookland, next year I believe that you will be looking at the top half of the standings to follow LC.  You have an outstanding young coach.  It should be a good game this Friday with the Generals.  A win would be big for either team to build momentum going into the tournament.  I look for the senior leadership of the Generals to be the difference in this game. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 17, 2012, 08:02:45 AM
Jackets are on the road this weekend.

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 17, 2012, 08:46:26 PM
Great win tonight Jackets... way to go! 

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 18, 2012, 05:21:50 PM
Hollins up over R-MC 55-51 with 6:43 to go.

If they win, they might steal that last playoff spot from Roanoke.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 18, 2012, 05:34:20 PM
Hollins up 64-58 with 3:00 to go, but another barn burner in Roanoke. That game (vs VA Wesleyan) is tied 54-54 with 3:46 to go.



Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 18, 2012, 06:09:31 PM
Hollins takes down R-MC 74-66.  Great finish to their season.  Finish 8-12.  That's same record as Lynchburg. They split games with them during the season.

Roanoke pulls the upset over VA Wesleyan 63-58. Also finishes the season 8-12.

Now which of these 3 teams will fill the final 2 spots in the playoffs? 

Hollins split regular season games with Lynchburg and lost both games to Roanoke.
Roanoke split games with Lynchburg too and beat Hollins both games.
Lynchburg split games with both Hollins and Roanoke.

If you consider final standings of the higher seeded teams these three beat during the season:
  Roanoke beat #1 VA Wesleyan, but no other team ranked above them
  Lynchburg beat #2 Eastern Mennonite and #5 Washington and Lee once each
  Hollins beat #5 W&L twice and #4 R-MC

Will really be a heartbreak for whichever one doesn't get in, but especially Hollins.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 18, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
Without looking up the tiebreakers I think it will be Roanoke and Lynchburg- RC by virtue of sweeping Hollins and LC by better quality wins against higher finishing teams.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 20, 2012, 10:12:41 AM
Hollins is why it's a shame they can't have all teams in the tournament.  They are playing better now at end of tournament than many of the teams that are in.  There should be a reward for improving tho the year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 20, 2012, 10:30:43 AM
I agree.  You could easily give coach of year honor to the Hollins coach.  Coach Pyzik of LC should also get some consideration.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 78rmc on February 20, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on February 20, 2012, 10:12:41 AM
Hollins is why it's a shame they can't have all teams in the tournament.  They are playing better now at end of tournament than many of the teams that are in.  There should be a reward for improving tho the year.

Excellent question, why do the women not use the same tourney format as the men, both have 11 teams?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 20, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Bammer,
I agree on both counts. I think the ODAC is becoming more competitive, with strong coaching almost across the board, with these talented newer coaches joining the veterans. The other aspect of coaching, of course, is recruiting the right players. Coach Phillips has added numbers of quality players, and Coach Pyzik, in her first recruiting class, has added this year's starting point guard as well as a strong candidate for POY at the 4 position. I think both teams will be even stronger next year (if Coach Pyzik's great recruiting continues). I also think we may see a bit more "changing of the guard" next season. With RMC losing 4 starters and W&L losing 3 starters (two all-conference) to graduation, it is hard to see how either team will challenge for the top spot next year. Roanoke may also be challenged to resume its past glories by next season. On the other hand, with Guilford and EMU losing very little, it doesn't look like they will be one-time-wonders. 
With apologies to all those fans of the traditional ODAC powers, I think this is great. It made for a much more interesting season this year than "which of the usual powers will win it?" And l think that will continue in Salem.
I honestly don't know who to pick as the eventual champion. Let the games begin!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 20, 2012, 04:44:03 PM
78RMC,
A good question but at this point it's moot. I think a better question is what they will do next year with 12 teams. And I suspect the answer may be different if they also go to a two-division format.
I am hoping for the two-division format if for no other reason than that without it our teams will have 22 in-conference games and only 3 out of conference games. With those numbers it is less likley that any ODAC team will play enough games against quality non-ODAC opponents to get much consideration for national rankings.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 22, 2012, 05:07:40 PM
Just want to wish all the teams well for the upcoming tournament!

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 23, 2012, 11:11:33 AM
Congratulations to this year's winners:
ODAC Player of the Year: Gabby Oglesby, So., Forward, Guilford
ODAC Coach of the Year: Stephany Dunmyer, Virginia Wesleyan
ODAC Rookie of the Year: Sarah Seipp, Fr., Guard, Virginia Wesleyan
ODAC/Farm Bureau Insurance Scholar-Athlete: Becca Bolton, Sr., Forward, Washington and Lee

And all of the rest of the All Conference selections!
Looking forward to a great Tournament! Good luck to all, but especially my Hornets at 1:00 today!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 23, 2012, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: Brookland on February 23, 2012, 11:11:33 AM
Congratulations to this year's winners:
ODAC Player of the Year: Gabby Oglesby, So., Forward, Guilford
ODAC Coach of the Year: Stephany Dunmyer, Virginia Wesleyan
ODAC Rookie of the Year: Sarah Seipp, Fr., Guard, Virginia Wesleyan
ODAC/Farm Bureau Insurance Scholar-Athlete: Becca Bolton, Sr., Forward, Washington and Lee

And all of the rest of the All Conference selections!
Looking forward to a great Tournament! Good luck to all, but especially my Hornets at 1:00 today!

I second congrats to all- well deserved.
A little surprised to not see Greene on the first team, but I don't have an issue with any of the ladies ahead of her.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on February 23, 2012, 04:55:27 PM
W&L continues their recent hot streak, knocking off RMC in round 1 of the ODAC tournament. They have now won 7 of their last 8. W&L gets Va Wesleyan next, a team they played to a 9pt loss at home and an 18pt loss on the road. Nice win today ladies and good luck on Saturday!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 24, 2012, 08:38:17 AM
Congrats to the Generals on a great win.   They never took their eyes off the ball.

For our seniors, you will really be MISSED. You've each given us 4 great years & we wish you all the best for the future.

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on February 25, 2012, 02:29:34 PM
Shaping up for a great finish in the second round right now. Just under 2:30 to go, W&L 55, Va Wes 54. The Generals are riding their hot streak for all it is worth. Expect an awesome finish to this game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 25, 2012, 02:53:41 PM
And awesome it was! All I can say is, "WOW!" A great game by both teams.
At the beginning of the season I predicted that lack of depth would hurt W&L, and indeed it did. But that squad almost proved me wrong in a big way. A great display of heart, hustle and smarts. In the end the relentlessness of VWC won out, but a tremendous example of what's best about the ODAC from both squads. It was so fitting that it came down to a blocked shot at the buzzer. Truly two teams that deserve the title "Winners."
Congratulationsto the Marlins and good luck in the final!
Hats off to the Gennies and their outgoing seniors for an unforgettable finish!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on February 25, 2012, 02:56:55 PM
The Generals' seniors will be missed. Great game ladies and congrats on the year. We lose a lot of senior leadership this year. Hopefully our next attempt at recruiting will bring in the quality of players that have given their all over the last 4 years. Shame they couldn't pull it out, but the end of this season is nothing to be ashamed of.

Congrats Marlins. Good luck in the final and way to stay after it all game long.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 25, 2012, 05:14:41 PM
Another outstanding game sends Guilford to the final in overtime. A bit rougher-around-the-edges than the first game - more fouls, more mistakes - but excellent efforts and persistence by both squads and an unbelievable clutch 3 from EMU's Stephanie Reinheimer that went through with 0.1 seconds on the clock to send it into OT. What a good day to be an ODAC fan!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 26, 2012, 11:52:59 AM
Go Quakers! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 26, 2012, 02:45:44 PM
Congratulations to the Guilford Quakers on their ODAC Championship, and good luck in the NCAA Tournament!
A very disappointing game for the Marlins. Starters were 3-32 (9.4%) from the field; overall the team was just 18% from the field. Not to take anything away from the Quakers, but that was more than tough defense. Even when open, they couldn't seem to buy a basket. Their determined defense and energetic bench kept it from being worse, but I have to wonder if their emotional win yesterday left them a bit drained.
Guilford played hard and well and had numerous hustle plays that put the game away. They will represent the ODAC well.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 26, 2012, 06:33:44 PM
Congratulations, Quakers!  Hope you get a home game in the NCAA's and go all the way.  The Guilford College family's proud of you!

On another positive note, I hope both EMU and VWC get bids.  The ODAC was very strong at the top this year - I personally think all three deserve a bid!  Go ODAC!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 27, 2012, 07:28:13 AM
Good job by GC.  At last year's tournament I thought that they would be the team to beat this year.  They are athletic, have depth and size.  I do feel a little sorry for VWC for getting so close so often but not getting that last tournament win.  Great run by the Generals.  The last 4 years have been really fun to follow.  The seniors really led the way and the juniors were so strong this year.  What heart and finish by Meg Ingram.  She gave it her all and was so close to getting back to the finals.  I will miss those assists and big shots that she made.  Next year so course Guilford will be the favorite but watch out for Lynchburg.  Also I expect the Generals to surprise the league with their 3 strong juniors, just need a good recruiting class.  Best of luck to the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 27, 2012, 03:32:44 PM
The women's bracket is out and the Guilford Quakers are the only ODAC team to make the field.  Guilford and the USASAC's Ferrum travel to Centre (Danville, KY) to face the Colonels and the Washington University Bears, respectively, on March 2.  Go Quakers!

I'm truly sorry the Marlins and the Royals were left off, but the Pool C field must have been packed.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 02, 2012, 03:14:04 PM
Good luck to Guilford!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 02, 2012, 03:21:15 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 02, 2012, 03:14:04 PM
Good luck to Guilford!!!
Ditto!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2012, 05:26:25 PM
The Guilford / Centre game will begin at 9:30 pm ET tonight; 2 hours late because of inclement weather.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 02, 2012, 05:59:08 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2012, 05:26:25 PM
The Guilford / Centre game will begin at 9:30 pm ET tonight; 2 hours late because of inclement weather.

Good, now I can watch on video.  Was going to miss if they started on time due to other commitment.
I hope Guilford is on their game tonight.  I hope Oglesby and Gibbs are on fire. If so, I think they got a good chance to win this one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 02, 2012, 10:37:59 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 02, 2012, 05:59:08 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2012, 05:26:25 PM
The Guilford / Centre game will begin at 9:30 pm ET tonight; 2 hours late because of inclement weather.

Good, now I can watch on video.  Was going to miss if they started on time due to other commitment.
I hope Guilford is on their game tonight.  I hope Oglesby and Gibbs are on fire. If so, I think they got a good chance to win this one.
Guilford's up by five at the half, 30-25.  Keep it up ladies!  Go Quakers!  Ferrum lost the opener to Washington U, 79-64, so the winner will face the Bears tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 02, 2012, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 02, 2012, 10:37:59 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 02, 2012, 05:59:08 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 02, 2012, 05:26:25 PM
The Guilford / Centre game will begin at 9:30 pm ET tonight; 2 hours late because of inclement weather.

Good, now I can watch on video.  Was going to miss if they started on time due to other commitment.
I hope Guilford is on their game tonight.  I hope Oglesby and Gibbs are on fire. If so, I think they got a good chance to win this one.
Guilford's up by five at the half, 30-25.  Keep it up ladies!  Go Quakers!  Ferrum lost the opener to Washington U, 79-64, so the winner will face the Bears tomorrow night.
Guilford played their worst half of the season, including a disastrous 18-2 run and fell 59-47.  Quakers led 35-31 and then could not do anything right.  Sigh.  Great season, though.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 03, 2012, 09:42:05 AM
Rats, rats and rats.  I really thought Guilford was going to win this one.  Oh well, great season for them.  Expect they will be a leader in the ODAC again next year. 

Still have VWC to root for on the men's side.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 08, 2012, 09:40:43 AM
Snow day thoughts!

Of the top 6 scorers in the ODAC this year, 3 played for RMC..yet they had worst conference record since 2000-2001 team.  Maybe you need to do more than score to play winning basketball.  ;D

Virginia Wesleyan has been in the ODAC championship game of the tournament 3 times in the last 6 years and not won.  Maybe they need to get some Norfolk refs up to Roanoke for that game.  :-\

With no Mullen, Bridgewater lost 4 of their last 6 games, beating only teams that didn't make the tournament.  Good news...one more Burkholder...Cassidy,little sister of Kirby (playing at JMU) and Jordan (all time scorer at Bridgewater) will play at Bridgewater next year.  Cassidy like her sisters was a 1,000 pt scorer for TA (high school) in Bridgewater.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 09, 2012, 12:30:29 PM
Congratulations to R-MC Coach Carroll LaHaye for being named to Virginia Lawyers Media's Class of 2012 "Influential Women of Virginia"!  She surely has left a positive mark on a lot of R-MC students, parents, alums & fans over the past few decades.

Well done Coach LaHaye.... GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 12, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Women's All-South Region Team Awards announced!!

Congratulations to:

Sarah Seipp, G, Virginia Wesleyan - Rookie of the Year

Third Team:
Jasmine Green, G, Jr. Hollins
Bianca Ygarza, F, So. Eastern Mennonite

Personally I think Gabby Oglesby of Guilford was deserving of some placement as well, but great to see the recognition the ODAC did get.


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on May 16, 2012, 12:17:14 PM
W&L loses head coach Mandy King, winningest coach in the program's history, to Kean in NJ. Kind of a bummer as Coach King had really transformed the W&L program. However, the recruiting has been a problem the last few years and the team struggled to put enough bodies on the bench this year to be competitive. With a very strong graduating class, I can't help but think if she had gotten a just 1 or 2 role players in each of the last 2 classes the Generals would have been a force this past year.

At this point, I fear a return to the program's dark ages as W&L has lost some assistants in the previous couple years, the head coach, and had some poor recruiting 2 years running. If Coach King was out looking for a new job, instead of recruiting this year, this could mark the 3rd tough year in a row. That makes for a very empty cupboard for whoever is coming in.

Time will tell. The Generals will certainly miss Coach King as she made huge strides in the program and I can only hope the next coach will be able to build on what she had done with the program, regardless of what is left on the shelf.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: whitecaylxx on May 16, 2012, 02:34:33 PM
I think after last season, a change was due.  The turnover in assistants and the lack of recruiting really began to strain the program.  Though academic standards at Washington and Lee are very high, there really is no excuse for not getting a least a few new players.  Best wishes to Coach King and the new W & L coach.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on June 18, 2012, 04:13:09 PM
W&L promotes from within: http://www.generalssports.com/sports/wbkb/2011-12/Releases/201206153yqwqa

I don't know much about Coach Clancy as she is only entering her second season in Lexington, but I sure hope she can recruit. The Generals' cupboard is starting to look real empty, and it's too late to do much about it this year (you can usually count W&L's total transfer students on your fingers and toes and you can count those coming mid-year on one hand).

I am curious about what happened at Colby as she went 22-6 as an interim coach in 2010/11 before landing an assistant position at W&L for 2011/12. I wonder why Colby let her go after an obviously very successful season. Hopefully she can replicate that success at W&L.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on August 26, 2012, 04:43:57 PM
Hoping everyone had a great Summer. Anyone posted a schedule yet? Bridgewater's men's went up last week, with school starting it won't be long. Invite a fellow fan, let's get the chatter going early and often!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on September 08, 2012, 08:10:47 PM
Bridgewater schedule: http://www.bridgewatereagles.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule (http://www.bridgewatereagles.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule)
Emory and Henry schedule:  http://www.gowasps.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule (http://www.gowasps.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule)
Hollins schedule:  http://www.hollins.edu/athletics/bball/results/index.shtml (http://www.hollins.edu/athletics/bball/results/index.shtml)
Lynchburg schedule: http://athletics.lynchburg.edu/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule (http://athletics.lynchburg.edu/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule)
Randolph schedule: http://www.randolphwildcats.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule (http://www.randolphwildcats.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule)
R-MC schedule - http://www.rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule (http://www.rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule)
Shenandoah schedule: http://www.suhornets.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule (http://www.suhornets.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule)
Virginia Wesleyan schedule: http://www.vwcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule (http://www.vwcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule)
Washington and Lee schedule: http://www.generalssports.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule (http://www.generalssports.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule)

Still missing: EMU, Guilford, Roanoke

Composite ODAC full schedule is posted that includes EMU, Guilford and Roanoke games: http://www.odaconline.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule (http://www.odaconline.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule)

Composite ODAC conference games found here: http://www.odaconline.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule?confonly=1 (http://www.odaconline.com/sports/wbkb/2012-13/schedule?confonly=1)

Interesting changes to the schedule this year include -

I really don't know how they picked which teams get to play the others once vs twice during the season.  I can't believe that R-MC and Roanoke won't get to play twice. Those were always such a great rivalry games and usually made a difference in final standings for playoffs.

Should be a very interesting year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on September 12, 2012, 02:40:33 PM
More than the schedule I'll be interested to see how many players W&L puts on the bench this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on October 04, 2012, 12:30:24 PM
October 4, 2012
Story Courtesy of UMM Athletics
Machias, Maine -- Randolph-Macon College Head Women's Basketball Coach Carroll LaHaye was recently inducted into The University of Maine at Machias Athletics Hall of Fame.
LaHaye was a four-year starter for the Clippers women's basketball team during the mid-1970s, and helped lead the team to the 1975-76 state championship. She was selected to the all-state team her senior year by the Maine Basketball Writers Association. She was also a standout player for the UMM volleyball team.

Since 1982, LaHaye has been head coach of the R-MC's  women's basketball team. During her coaching career, she has led the Yellow Jackets to four NCAA Sweet 16 appearances, two trips to the Elite 8, and a spot in National Championship game in 2005. LaHaye has been named Coach of the Year on numerous occasions.
In January 2012, during her 30th season as head coach, LaHaye became one of just 15 Division III women's basketball coaches to record 500 career victories.
www.rmcathletics.com


500 victories aside, she is a quality person. I'm pleased my child got to play for her and RMC for four years.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ODACbballfan on October 10, 2012, 11:21:33 PM
No one should be concerned with W&L's bench this year.  Apparently they have at least 4 freshman and maybe a new Junior, along with the three seniors and two sophomores.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 08, 2012, 11:09:40 AM
The Generals really getting respect for the last few years.  I cannot believe that they were picked 12th.  Sure they have a lot of freshmen but they have 3 solid seniors.  They will certainly be rebuilding this year.  Probably will not beat RMC 3 times like last year :).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on November 08, 2012, 05:46:19 PM
Quote from: Bammer on November 08, 2012, 11:09:40 AM
The Generals really getting respect for the last few years.  I cannot believe that they were picked 12th.  Sure they have a lot of freshmen but they have 3 solid seniors.  They will certainly be rebuilding this year.  Probably will not beat RMC 3 times like last year :).

What's your top 12?
W&L has always impressed me with how smart they play, but new coach, presumably new system, lots of new players doesn't hold much promise to me.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ODACbballfan on November 16, 2012, 09:35:06 AM
With the win last night, I'm not so sure the Generals should be ranked 12. It's going to be hard for Roanoke to get a win with Paxton Gwin only scoring nine points as she did last night. Low scoring game but the defense on both ends was quite solid.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 16, 2012, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: ODACbballfan on November 16, 2012, 09:35:06 AM
With the win last night, I'm not so sure the Generals should be ranked 12. It's going to be hard for Roanoke to get a win with Paxton Gwin only scoring nine points as she did last night. Low scoring game but the defense on both ends was quite solid.

It was the first game of the season. And a 46-34 game is just ugly. Roanoke turned the ball over 28 times and W&L shot 37% from the field. Seems to me like it was two teams that need a lot of work as the season goes on.

That being said, this General is happy the ladies started the season off right and wish them the best going forward.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on November 16, 2012, 03:08:46 PM
My almost preseason prediction:
EMU
VWC
GC
Hollins
LC
BC
RMC
W&L
Roanoke
Shendoah
E&H
Randolph
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 16, 2012, 03:42:16 PM
EMU all over Kean University 90-56 and Kean finished the season last year just outside of the top 25.  This is a good early showing for the ODAC.  Hopefully EMU will have just as good a game against #13 Messiah tomorrow, assuming Messiah wins over Methodist in their game tonight.

Neat to see there are two sets of sisters playing for EMU.  There's a younger Ygarza and Rheinheimer.  It was difficult enough for ODAC teams to deal with the older sisters last year. If the younger ones are as comparably skilled as their older siblings, then EMU is definitely the team to beat this year.

I'm SOOOO ready for this season to begin!!

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on November 26, 2012, 09:02:27 PM
 #41 Catholic comes back to defeat Bridgewater 46-41. BC lead 41-37 with over 4 minutes to go but did not score another point.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 07, 2012, 04:44:20 PM
Is it just me...I'm having a hard tiime in the ODAC new website.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on December 09, 2012, 09:59:14 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on December 07, 2012, 04:44:20 PM
Is it just me...I'm having a hard tiime in the ODAC new website.
Working OK for me- this is the website that's bothering me. Works OK, just the lack of chatter- we're three weeks in, have had some great games yet very little participation. ???
Congrats to Randolph on a big win over RMC.
Me? heading to Puerto Rico in a week to cheer on the Eagles- somebody's gotta do it ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 08, 2013, 05:46:53 PM
 VWC Lady Marlins vs BC on Wednesday. Both teams 3-1 in ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on January 10, 2013, 03:37:29 PM
What has happened with RMC?  Not the usual start from them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 10, 2013, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: Bammer on January 10, 2013, 03:37:29 PM
What has happened with RMC?  Not the usual start from them.

From looking at box scores and playing time, it appears Coach LaHaye is relying on freshmen and sophomores to carry the load, which suggests to me that either the talent level of the juniors and seniors is not up to that of prior classes, or there might be health/injury issues. We have a men's team here in Saint Louis that is taking the same approach -- play freshmen and sophomores as much as possible, get them used to playing together, take some lumps this year with the expectation that it will pay dividends in the coming seasons.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2013, 01:40:43 PM
When you have had as much success as LaHaye has, you can do that without fear of losing your job over a bad season. Interesting to see where it goes from there.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2013, 05:15:51 PM
A check of the R-MC roster shows 1 senior, 3 juniors, 3 sophomores, and 5 freshmen. The three juniors and one freshman have the fewest minutes per game. Three freshmen and two sophomores have the most minutes per game. That leaves the middle minutes to the senior, a sophomore, and a freshman.

Watching today's game against Emory & Henry it's clear that R-MC doesn' have the inside game they were accustomed to having with Michelle Oroton, Molly Arial, and Taylor Wieczorek.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 22, 2013, 10:32:39 AM
I like the fact that ALL the teams in the ODAC will play in the tournament this year but I really don't like the schedule.  Teams should play each other two time- home and home and have fewer out of conference games. 

If a team misses the top team, that's two losses they don't have on their record and it affects the seeding for the tournament plus we are not treated to the very good games during the regular season as the two top teams might not play each other now.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2013, 10:43:36 AM
Having fewer out-of-conference games kind of dooms the ODAC to mediocrity. Teams won't get significantly better playing that much of an inbred schedule.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 22, 2013, 11:08:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2013, 10:43:36 AM
Having fewer out-of-conference games kind of dooms the ODAC to mediocrity. Teams won't get significantly better playing that much of an inbred schedule.
While I get wjmofva's point on a home and home schedule, that's 22 of 25 games now- Pat is right on. I am extremely pleased Bridgewater got some higher caliber teams on the schedule this year (Messiah, then ranked 8th now 5th, Catholic now 13th, perennial powers Marymount and Mary Washington)- it will help them the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 22, 2013, 11:21:57 AM
In the last 10 years, how many ODAC teams per year went to the NCAA's?  Only the tournament winner I suspect.

However when it is pointed out how few games one would have outside the conference, I have to agree :-[  Having a strong team, I would want to test them.  However one could play three top 50 teams in the three openings.  It's a waste of time for both teams to play overmatched game.

What dooms the ODAC to mediocrity is the talent in the league.  Skilled players, well coached, playing each other will sharpen both teams...be it ODAC vs ODAC or ODAC vs out of conference.








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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2013, 11:53:42 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 22, 2013, 11:21:57 AM
In the last 10 years, how many ODAC teams per year went to the NCAA's?  Only the tournament winner I suspect.

However when it is pointed out how few games one would have outside the conference, I have to agree :-[  Having a strong team, I would want to test them.  However one could play three top 50 teams in the three openings.  It's a waste of time for both teams to play overmatched game.

What dooms the ODAC to mediocrity is the talent in the league.  Skilled players, well coached, playing each other will sharpen both teams...be it ODAC vs ODAC or ODAC vs out of conference.

I know in 2006 Bridgewater and Randolph-Macon both made the tournament, and both won games.

http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/women/2006/2006-bracket

But it's not easy to get two teams in the tournament when you have such a large conference schedule. With so many games against the same pool of teams, your strength of schedule is going to hover right around .500 and won't help teams get into the tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 22, 2013, 01:39:37 PM
I can go to school on this:

Gilford is 7-1; 14-3; EMU is 7-1; 11-5; If Gilford beats Mary Washington (6-2) and MW is ranked at end of year, I see where that helps 'strength of schedule'; but how does beating the bottom of USA conference do anything, anymore than beating bottom of ODAC?

If EMU loses to Messiah, Ferrum & Mary Washington, who end up top of their conferences and rated, does that help EMU's strength of schedule?

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2013, 09:01:15 PM
Beating the bottom of the USA South doesn't do anything.

Losing to Messiah, Ferrum and Mary Washington definitely helps the strength of schedule. Obviously, it doesn't help the record, and therefore likely doesn't help the regional ranking.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 23, 2013, 12:09:03 PM
Thanks! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2013, 12:22:27 PM
Of course, I should note that EMU playing those games helps everyone's SOS in the ODAC, because the opponents' opponents' record is part of the formula. Playing strong teams outside of the conference helps everyone.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 24, 2013, 09:17:52 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 22, 2013, 01:39:37 PM
I can go to school on this:

Gilford is 7-1; 14-3; EMU is 7-1; 11-5; If Gilford beats Mary Washington (6-2) and MW is ranked at end of year, I see where that helps 'strength of schedule'; but how does beating the bottom of USA conference do anything, anymore than beating bottom of ODAC?

If EMU loses to Messiah, Ferrum & Mary Washington, who end up top of their conferences and rated, does that help EMU's strength of schedule?
Guilford has a "U".  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 24, 2013, 11:03:29 AM

[/quote]Guilford has a "U".  :)
[/quote]

Thanks!

Guilford would seem to have the stronger position for end of year regional ranking.  If they finish the year with no more ODAC losses but are upset in the tournament, they would have the best chance for an at-large in the NCAA, then?????
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 24, 2013, 11:13:29 AM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 24, 2013, 11:03:29 AM

Guilford has a "U".  :)
[/quote]

Thanks!

Guilford would seem to have the stronger position for end of year regional ranking.  If they finish the year with no more ODAC losses but are upset in the tournament, they would have the best chance for an at-large in the NCAA, then?????
[/quote]

I'm not going to pretend I understand any of it, but over at Masseyratings.com Guilford (with a U ;D) is rated 97th with a strength of schedule of 267th, EMU 101st with SOS 187. It's a one bid league IMHO
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 26, 2013, 09:08:57 AM

[/quote]
Guilford would seem to have the stronger position for end of year regional ranking. 
[/quote]

Admins, when will the NCAA begin posting regional rankings?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 28, 2013, 01:35:02 PM
I'm not going to pretend I understand any of it, but over at Masseyratings.com Guilford (with a U ;D) is rated 97th with a strength of schedule of 267th, EMU 101st with SOS 187. It's a one bid league IMHO
[/quote]

Only the conference tournament winner is for sure, but the ODAC HAS gotten two teams to the dance.  RM in 2004-2005 was Nalt finalist, played for NCAA Div 111 title. They have been ranked thru the seasons often.

Both Guilford and EMU are having great season's.  Let's hope things work out that the conference gets two teams.   **I think the regional ranking will come 3rd week of Feb
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 31, 2013, 11:08:30 AM
wmjofva, your use of "u" is noted.  Thanks.  :)

Guilford and EMU still play each other at EMU.  Either Guilford will leave with a 4th loss or EMU will get their 6th.  If you win the ODAC tournament, you're in, of course.  However, if you lose in the ODAC tournament, you'll get another loss.  If Guilford loses once and only has 4 losses, they "may" get a second chance.  If EMU loses another game or two, I think it's over for an at-large bid.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 01, 2013, 09:55:09 AM
One needs to look at the other conferences when your checking your chances.  USA Athletic South has three teams in ranking... Maryville 10-1 (16-2); Ferrum 10-1 (16-2) and Chris Newport 9-2 (16-2).

Chris Newport doesn't play Maryville or Ferrum again and Maryville and Ferrum play Feb 6th.  So you have three teams ranked and will end season with solid records & that's just one other conference.  They beat ODAC teams like a drum this year!

Throw in upsets at conference tournaments and these teams will take the 'at large'.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 06, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
EMU 81- RMC 70; enjoyed the game last night.  Game went back and forth and at 4:24; RMC had cut it to 61-68.

Big difference was EMU converted wide open putbacks or layups and RMC made shots over the EMU defenders.  Wouldn't want to get into a game of 'horse' with RMC.

EMU pressed the whole game, yet the fouls were 15-18 for RMC and 20-31 for EMU.  Helps to play at home. ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 14, 2013, 08:55:01 AM
Congratulations to Guilford, Coach Flamini and her staff for last night's 56-42 win over E&H.  With the victory, the Quakers got their 20th win of the season and Coach Flamini earned the 200th win of her head coaching career.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on February 19, 2013, 04:35:10 PM
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-women/d3

Regional ranking as of 2/13/2013
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2013, 05:31:17 PM
Yep, new ones tomorrow.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 19, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
Congrats to R-MC on the tournament road win at Roanoke last night. After giving up 100 points to Roanoke in Ashland just 16 days before, the Jackets held them to 64 last night. I believe that's the 4th lowest point total R-MC has allowed all season. It often takes a young team a while to learn to play good defense. Maybe the Jackets are getting better in that department.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Bammer on February 21, 2013, 03:09:03 PM
Great effort by the Generals.  EMU wins by getting to the line (24-27), making their free throws and keeping the Generals off the line (4-4).  One of the keys to beating EMU for the last several years is to keep them off the line and make them run their offense.  Have to pick Guilford to win the tournament.  Strong coaching job this year for the Generals Coach Clancey.       
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Brookland on February 21, 2013, 10:53:10 PM
Boy, this board has been awfully quiet this year, and I apologize for my part in that. More chatter about who might get to the NCAAs than discussion of players or games. Not what I'm used to!

Anyway, I can't not say something about the great job Lynchburg's Coach Pyzik has been doing this year, even if no one else has noticed enough to comment. With today's win over Bridgewater she has tied the all-time record for wins at LC, has advanced to the ODAC semifinals for the first time in 23 years, and has recorded the program's first ever win at Salem Center. And she has done it in only her third season at LC, with most of the minutes being played by freshmen and sophomores. Remember, she got the job the August before her first season, too late to do any recruiting, making this accomplishment even more impressive. She has this young team playing with heart and determination, despite the ups and downs of so young a team. She is definitely building a winner, and with only one senior graduating and two All-ODAC sophomores, the future looks bright for Hornet fans.

Today's win was not a fluke. The Hornets took an early lead, the Eagles fought back, and then the game momentum went back and forth until LC finally put it away with clutch FTs at the end. Bridgewater led by as many as 6 and LC never led by more than 9 before winning 51-47. Neither team shot well but the Eagles were colder, shooting only 29% from the field, including a very atypical 3-13 performance and only 8 pts by Jessica Mullen. At one point the commentator said "It's not Lynchburg, the Eagles are just missing their shots" but I disagree. Both teams were playing defense with intensity, and it showed.
In the end LC's better play in the paint, a 15 pt, 12 rebound performance by All-ODAC First Teamer Shannon Allen, a near double-double (9pts, 9 rebounds) by freshman Chaney Forbush, balanced effort from the rest of the team and those final FTs made the difference.

Congratulations to Coach Pyzik and the Hornets. Win or lose this weekend against EMU, they have already made history.

Let me also extend my congratulations to Jessica Mullen on her Player of the Year honors and a great career with the Eagles.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 23, 2013, 05:18:04 PM
As you would expect, EMU and GC in tomorrow's championship game.  Go Quakers!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 24, 2013, 02:51:08 PM
Congratulations, Quakers ... 61-59 over EMU!  Hopefully, both of these fine teams will make the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 25, 2013, 06:34:31 PM
 Two teams in the tourney!  Good luck to Guilford and Eastern Mennonite. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 25, 2013, 07:38:33 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 25, 2013, 06:34:31 PM
Two teams in the tourney!  Good luck to Guilford and Eastern Mennonite.
The way the bracket's structured, if they both win on opening day, they'd have to face each other in the second round.  Somehow, that just doesn't seem right ... but first things first!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 28, 2013, 02:08:08 PM
Good luck to EMU and Guilford tomorrow night at CNU!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 15, 2013, 05:01:24 PM
Congratulations to Jessica Mullen (Bridgewater) and Jasmine Greene (Hollins) for their selection to the D3Hoops.com 2013  All South Region team.  Jessica made 2nd team and Jasmine was selected for the 3rd team.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 24, 2013, 04:09:37 PM
R-MC roster is posted. http://www.rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2013-14/roster Six new faces to go with nine returning players. That's a few more players than Coach LaHaye usually has. Nice to see.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on October 25, 2013, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on October 24, 2013, 04:09:37 PM
Six new faces to go with nine returning players. That's a few more players than Coach LaHaye usually has. Nice to see.

I agree, one of the six is a D1 transfer too. 

Newcomers include 5-9 Division I junior transfer Taylor Huber (Ashland, Va./Utah Valley) as well as freshmen Marisha Berry (Powhatan, Va./Powhatan), Taylor Intermill (Fairfax, Va./Fairfax), Andi Prugh (Frederick, Md./Urbanna), Samm Prugh (Frederick, Md./Urbanna) and Stephanie Staples (Mechanicsville, Va./Atlee).

I'm ready for the season to start!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 25, 2013, 07:34:02 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on October 25, 2013, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on October 24, 2013, 04:09:37 PM
Six new faces to go with nine returning players. That's a few more players than Coach LaHaye usually has. Nice to see.

I agree, one of the six is a D1 transfer too. 

Newcomers include 5-9 Division I junior transfer Taylor Huber (Ashland, Va./Utah Valley) as well as freshmen Marisha Berry (Powhatan, Va./Powhatan), Taylor Intermill (Fairfax, Va./Fairfax), Andi Prugh (Frederick, Md./Urbanna), Samm Prugh (Frederick, Md./Urbanna) and Stephanie Staples (Mechanicsville, Va./Atlee).

I'm ready for the season to start!!

I checked the transfer's record at UVU. She had some playing time and her stats suggest she could contribute right away. If one or more of the freshmen can as well we should see measurable improvement over last season.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 15, 2013, 09:40:06 PM
R-MC takes out pre-season No. 3 Christopher Newport tonight 92-86 in their opening game at home tonight.  I would say quite a surprise given the Yellow Jackets lack of success last year.  D1 transfer Taylor Huber was high scorer for Macon with 22 pts, but 4 others were in double figures as well.  Tia Perry from CNU was impressive.  She was all over the place and led all scorers with 28 pts.

I heard about the new NCAA rule that does not allow the defense to put hands on the offensive player, well I can say for certain fouls are going to be called A L O T if this game was any example.  I think I can count on one hand the number of times play continued up and down the court for just a possession each way without a whistle being blown.  Really makes it difficult for either team to get into a rhythm.  Two CNU players and one Macon player fouled out of the game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2013, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on November 15, 2013, 09:40:06 PM
R-MC takes out pre-season No. 3 Christopher Newport tonight 92-86 in their opening game at home tonight.  I would say quite a surprise given the Yellow Jackets lack of success last year.  D1 transfer Taylor Huber was high scorer for Macon with 22 pts, but 4 others were in double figures as well.  Tia Perry from CNU was impressive.  She was all over the place and led all scorers with 28 pts.

I heard about the new NCAA rule that does not allow the defense to put hands on the offensive player, well I can say for certain fouls are going to be called A L O T if this game was any example.  I think I can count on one hand the number of times play continued up and down the court for just a possession each way without a whistle being blown.  Really makes it difficult for either team to get into a rhythm.  Two CNU players and one Macon player fouled out of the game.

I followed the last two minutes of that game via live stats during halftime of a game here in Saint Louis. Had my teeth clenched and fingers crossed the whole way. What a great win for the Jackets. I saw the play-by-play in the box score. R-MC had a 24 point lead at one time in the 2nd half. Still a pretty young team that needs to learn how to handle themselves when you have a good team on the run. Looks like they did just enough.

As for the foul calling, I saw the same thing at the two games I watched here. This will lead to higher scoring games both because the team with the ball is going to have an easier time scoring and both teams will be shooting a lot more free throws. It will also mean the games are going to last longer.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 16, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
I looked at the rest of the ODAC scores. The other big surprise of the night would have to be Virginia Wesleyan getting clobbered by Cortland State. Cortland has four consecutive 24+ win seasons through 2009-10 but was only 11-14 last season. They must be back to their old form. I don't know what VWC has, but if last night is any indication the ODAC standings are likely to look very different in February from what the coaches poll indicates, especially with Lynchburg losing by 17. Also not sure EMU did themselves any favors by scheduling Chatham (3-22 last year). They get a team with a better record (24-5) from last year tonight, Lancaster Bible, but it was against a questionable level of competition.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on November 17, 2013, 09:18:23 AM
The Jackets had an incredible weekend in Crenshaw!  Congrats to all the players who contributed so much & posted some amazing stats, including Jr. Taylor Huber at .50 of her 3's for the weekend! 

This team is creating a LOT of excitement among R-MC basketball fans! 

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2013, 09:34:45 AM
What a difference a year makes for the Jackets. Tuesday against Mary Washington will be interesting as UMW beat Cortland State who had walloped VWC the day before. VWC did turn around and beat Penn-State Altoona by a ton -- an even bigger margin that UMW had over Altoona. Always dangerous to use those comparative scores to try to figure out what will happen in another game, so I won't do that.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on November 17, 2013, 09:46:51 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2013, 09:34:45 AM
What a difference a year makes for the Jackets. Tuesday against Mary Washington will be interesting as UMW beat Cortland State who had walloped VWC the day before. VWC did turn around and beat Penn-State Altoona by a ton -- an even bigger margin that UMW had over Altoona. Always dangerous to use those comparative scores to try to figure out what will happen in another game, so I won't do that.
I think you just did ;)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2013, 09:48:52 AM
Forgot to mention that the Jackets play pre-season #21 Marymount on Thursday. Marymount already has a loss to Haverford but a healthy win over Lynchburg.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2013, 09:53:52 AM
Quote from: BH2OFan on November 17, 2013, 09:46:51 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2013, 09:34:45 AM
What a difference a year makes for the Jackets. Tuesday against Mary Washington will be interesting as UMW beat Cortland State who had walloped VWC the day before. VWC did turn around and beat Penn-State Altoona by a ton -- an even bigger margin that UMW had over Altoona. Always dangerous to use those comparative scores to try to figure out what will happen in another game, so I won't do that.
I think you just did ;)

:) +1K. Well, yes, I used the results to muse about the dangers of musing about making predictions, but I stopped short of making any actual predictions.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on November 22, 2013, 04:58:32 AM
Well, R-MC knocked off another top 25 team last night with a 92-73 win over Marymount.  That's 3 for 3 against the CAC, including 2 previous conference champions (CNU was in the USAC last year). Saturday they kick-off their ODAC season.  Definitely a difference in this team from last year.

Looks like Taylor Hubor is definitely bringing some cohesiveness to the team.  She's the primary distinguishing change to the line-up (compared to last year) that I can surmise although a couple of the the freshman are contributing quality playing time too.  I didn't get to see many games last year, but the ones I did see, it seems liked there was potential individual talent, but the girls couldn't seem to play together consistently and definitely broke down in the latter part of games.   I've seen all four of their games so far this year, and they seem to be playing much better as a team.  More importantly, they have stepped up their game when needed.  They got up by a lot (over 20) against CNU and were heavily challenged late into the game, but kept their composure to get the win.

Last night, the game was tight throughout, tied at halftime and close up until the last five minutes of the game, when Macon just seemed to play with more intensity and focus (and made their free throws down the stretch) to pull away for the big win.

It's a long season and many tough ODAC opponents to face, but these early wins certainly have to be a big spirit lifter as well as a positive sign for this team, as well as for their fans.                                                               

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 23, 2013, 01:32:08 PM
Taylor Huber may be one of those players who makes it possible for everyone else on the floor with her to play better.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on November 26, 2013, 05:14:53 PM
^ we were just saying that very thing in the Brock Center fitness room this morning.

The Jackets enter the Top 25 at #24.  Congrats to these women who are working so hard to succeed.

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 26, 2013, 10:01:46 PM
#19 in the D3hoops.com poll.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on December 04, 2013, 04:16:30 PM
The Jackets got a solid road win last night at Bridgewater 99-81. 

WAY TO GO, JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 04, 2013, 05:31:24 PM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on December 04, 2013, 04:16:30 PM
The Jackets got a solid road win last night at Bridgewater 99-81. 

WAY TO GO, JACKETS!!!

I was able to watch most of the game online. Great video feed and very good announcers. Hard to get a good feel for a game watching online. Just not the same as being in the gym. Game play seems faster when you are there. Katie Anderson is a rebounding machine. I thought both teams looked good, but the Jackets put together three or four scoring spurts that Bridgewater couldn't match. The Eagles kept chipping away when they got behind by a bunch, then the Jackets would get another run going.

I heard the interview with the Bridgewater coach after the game. She made some observations about  couple of Jacket players that Coach LaHaye might find interesting.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 05, 2013, 10:31:49 AM
A team leading late in a game often slows the play down to limit the number of remaining possessions. The fewer the possessions, the fewer opportunities your opponent has to catch up. All else being equal, it's harder to come back from a 10-point deficit in five possessions than it is in 10, for example. Additionally, the trailing team is often forced to commit fouls to prevent its opponent from draining too much time off the clock. Therefore, a strong foul-shooting team may use the slow-down tactic a bit sooner than a team that shoots free throws poorly.

This can also be done at end of first half or the beginning of the 2nd half.  Coach Willi had done everything she could to slow down the offense of RM with four timeouts in the first half.  With RM leading 39-26 (13 pt lead) with 3:24 she called the 4th time out.  If RM players learn how to control tempo, they could work the clock and make the teams spend a lot of energy on defense, increase or maintain the 13 pt lead till half time.  They however keep firing away from long range and at 2:07 Bridgewater had cut the lead to 7 pts.

It's going to be hard for teams to 'out shoot' this team and if the enforcement of rules regarding physical play continue it will only help this team.  This Bridgewater game was 'normal' but I understand the first couple of games at Ashland there were a lot of fouls called. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 14, 2013, 07:17:12 PM
Guilford moves to 7-1 with a come-from-behind 77-70 OT win this afternoon at Greensboro College.  It's always a good day on West Friendly Avenue when any Quaker team tops the Pride!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 18, 2013, 04:31:22 PM
Any info on the status of R-MC junior transfer Taylor Huber? She only played about 20 minute of the game against Virginia Union and has not played in the 2 games since. Doesn't seem to have bothered the Jackets much in the two games she missed, but perhaps the competition wasn't that stiff.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 18, 2013, 09:31:27 PM
At the Hollins game played at R-MC on December 7th, Taylor was wearing a cast on one foot (can't remember which one). I asked around and was told she would be sitting out resting that foot until after Christmas.  Further, that it was not a break or ankle sprain but the cast was more for precautionary measures to keep her off her foot.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 18, 2013, 09:46:19 PM
Thanks for the report. Good to know it isn't serious.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on December 19, 2013, 07:08:21 PM
The Jackets went 1-1 in FL this week.  Congrats to Sarah Parsons on surpassing 1000! 

We're really looking forward to January.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all.

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on December 20, 2013, 12:33:35 PM
Randolph Macon basketball floor is legal, but it's in the top part of being very hard.  This has always been an issue for the women who play on that floor.  I understand the men love it, but it's hard on the feet, legs, ect of women it appears.   I think that floor has caused more losses in the past 10 years than any ODAC foe.

Knee issues, stress fractures, ect are very common for the women.  I think another player on this team hasn't played this year due to stress fracture and may face surgery to correct the issue. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 20, 2013, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on December 20, 2013, 12:33:35 PM
Randolph Macon basketball floor is legal, but it's in the top part of being very hard.  This has always been an issue for the women who play on that floor.  I understand the men love it, but it's hard on the feet, legs, ect of women it appears.   I think that floor has caused more losses in the past 10 years than any ODAC foe.

Knee issues, stress fractures, ect are very common for the women.  I think another player on this team hasn't played this year due to stress fracture and may face surgery to correct the issue.

Interesting information. Thanks.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on December 29, 2013, 05:56:26 PM
Happy New Year to all the ODAC!

Don't know a thing about the Crenshaw Gym floor, but we are very excited about the next home game for our women v. Gallaudet on 1/9/14.

GO JACKETS!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 29, 2013, 07:05:56 PM
Some info on flooring of basketball courts: http://ezinearticles.com/?Basketball-Court-Flooring-Facts&id=8137748
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 05, 2014, 03:08:39 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on December 20, 2013, 12:33:35 PM
Randolph Macon basketball floor is legal, but it's in the top part of being very hard.  This has always been an issue for the women who play on that floor.  I understand the men love it, but it's hard on the feet, legs, ect of women it appears.   I think that floor has caused more losses in the past 10 years than any ODAC foe.

Knee issues, stress fractures, ect are very common for the women.  I think another player on this team hasn't played this year due to stress fracture and may face surgery to correct the issue.

I played on the floor at Crenshaw in the late 70's and early 80's, and the teams I was on had their fair share of ankle and knee injuries.  Of note; however, is that the entire gym was renovated, including a new floor installed following the end of the basketball season in 2005. The last official game to be played on the old floor was R-MC women against George Fox that propelled them into the final four of the championship that year.  I've played some alumni games on that new floor, but to be honest, really couldn't tell if it is 'softer or harder' than before. 

That said, since the current floor is only 8 years old it may not be fair to compare games played on the floor since 2006 to those prior.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 09, 2014, 01:10:06 PM
The new floor( 2005 if that is when the floor was redone) the issue.  My knowledge of this is because 2006-2007 season my child as a freshman, was playing pick up etc as much as she had done in hs; when we had the first preseaon game, I was stunned to see her limbing up and down the floor with what appeared to be shinsplints.  The team had taken xrays and when they were looked at, they were stunned to see she had been playing on fractured legs (both) for about 10 days.  Coach Lehay said she had never a a player play thu that kind of pain.

I was called and was asked to 'help' get her off the floor, as she was refusing to stop, as she had played thru the pain and their treatments were helping.  That's when the floor issues were reviewed with me.  We got her in the boot and after a period of time, she was able to play.  That summer we did extra work and the school helped with shoes , etc. RM staff and coaches were very good in their treatment of the matter in the course of her 4 yr career.

Lindsay Reisbeck and Marta Merkel were two outstanding players during this time, who played on only  one good leg.  I hate to think how many points Lindsay would have scored if she had played healthy.


You will note after all home games, how many players come out with ice bags on their legs and  knees.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 09, 2014, 03:41:08 PM
I talked to a men's coach out here in Saint Louis about the issue of "hard floors". It was not a phenomenon he was familiar with. However, he did observe that women basketball players seem to be more prone to leg injuries than men and I have noticed a number of the women, who play on the team I follow out here, with their legs iced up after games. I have not observed this with the men. Maybe we have a hard floor here, too, or maybe he's right that it is more of a problem for women, or perhaps some of both. In any case, an interesting topic and one schools should be thinking about as they build or renovate gyms.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 10, 2014, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 05, 2014, 03:08:39 PM
I played on the floor at Crenshaw in the late 70's and early 80's, and the teams I was on had their fair share of ankle and knee injuries.  Of note; however, is that the entire gym was renovated, including a new floor installed following the end of the basketball season in 2005. The last official game to be played on the old floor was R-MC women against George Fox that propelled them into the final four of the championship that year.  I've played some alumni games on that new floor, but to be honest, really couldn't tell if it is 'softer or harder' than before. 

wmjofva says:
I love to watch the 'back to the hive' alumni games with the women.  Be in 70's,80's,90's or 2000 players they are all  basketball fundamentally sound.  Speaks so well of the program of Lehay and RM.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 10, 2014, 03:12:26 PM
All the Yellow Jackets are playing in Lynchburg tomorrow.  Wish we could be there.

Good luck to all this weekend.

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2014, 09:59:16 AM
Had to be a tough loss for the Jackets at Lynchburg yesterday. Getting out rebounded by 20 and missing a few too many free throws was probably the difference. Sarah Parsons having an off day shooting hurt as well, but those games happen for a player from time to time.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 12, 2014, 11:36:14 AM
Got to give credit to the Hornets' defense because we didn't see this loss coming. 

Hoping it just inspires the team to work harder & keep improving.

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 15, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
This RM team has a chance to be special!  The early season wins vs Christopher Newport, Mary Washington & Marymount (all out of conference wins will help Ncaa rating.  I think their fans will see a number of 100=+ games and with all that firepower is a fun team to watch.

Too bad they can't trade a couple of small forwards for one 6'2" rebounding , active, defensive minded center.  I know  I would be reallly looking for that in next years recruits. 

The game at Bridgewater highlighted to me, where they need to focus.  99 vs 81 (18 pts).  The first thing out of Bridgewater's coach in post game news interview was " A positive was we scored 81"  That's the mind set of everyone coming off one of these games.  If the score was same 18 but 56-38 or last nights 115-92 be 56-33, the other team would be walking out not looking forward to playing them again.

It's a mind set.  Score...slap the floor, get low, move the feet and say 'I'm going to work twice as hard now that they have the ball, so MY MAN doesn't score!!

Some nights the ball just doesn't drop, but defense will save you on those nights!  I play offense with my hands and mind, defense with my feet and heart.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on January 15, 2014, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 15, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
This RM team has a chance to be special!  The early season wins vs Christopher Newport, Mary Washington & Marymount (all out of conference wins will help Ncaa rating.  I think their fans will see a number of 100=+ games and with all that firepower is a fun team to watch.

Too bad they can't trade a couple of small forwards for one 6'2" rebounding , active, defensive minded center.  I know  I would be reallly looking for that in next years recruits. 

The game at Bridgewater highlighted to me, where they need to focus.  99 vs 81 (18 pts).  The first thing out of Bridgewater's coach in post game news interview was " A positive was we scored 81"  That's the mind set of everyone coming off one of these games.  If the score was same 18 but 56-38 or last nights 115-92 be 56-33, the other team would be walking out not looking forward to playing them again.

It's a mind set.  Score...slap the floor, get low, move the feet and say 'I'm going to work twice as hard now that they have the ball, so MY MAN doesn't score!!

Some nights the ball just doesn't drop, but defense will save you on those nights! I play offense with my hands and mind, defense with my feet and heart.

  I like that(from one who saw R-M play his team in the 2005 Final 4).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 15, 2014, 03:16:50 PM
Agree with the above two posts about defense. In the end, winning is about scoring more than the other team, so if takes 90 or 100 points to do that and you can, fine. Nevertheless, I, too, have been wondering "Where's the "deef"?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 15, 2014, 06:51:53 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 15, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
Too bad they can't trade a couple of small forwards for one 6'2" rebounding , active, defensive minded center.  I know  I would be reallly looking for that in next years recruits. 

Sure hope this is on the recruiting radar for 2014-15.  Current center Sr. Lindsay Sharman had one of her best nights ever with a double double last night.  Congrats to her!

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 17, 2014, 03:49:12 PM
RMC visits Guilford tomorrow.  I'm sure the Quakers will be up for the the game!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 17, 2014, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 17, 2014, 03:49:12 PM
RMC visits Guilford tomorrow.  I'm sure the Quakers will be up for the the game!

Guilford's defense is holding the opposition to 49.5 ppg. Lynchburg's D is what cost the Jackets at Lynchburg. Looks like another tough road game for R-MC
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on January 19, 2014, 08:57:47 AM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on January 15, 2014, 06:51:53 PM
Quote from: wmjofva on January 15, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
Too bad they can't trade a couple of small forwards for one 6'2" rebounding , active, defensive minded center.  I know  I would be reallly looking for that in next years recruits. 

Sure hope this is on the recruiting radar for 2014-15.  Current center Sr. Lindsay Sharman had one of her best nights ever with a double double last night.  Congrats to her!

Pretty sure that's on EVERY recruiting radar every year :D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 19, 2014, 11:17:11 AM
Jackets outrebounded by 31 yesterday. As someone said yesterday on the men's board of another conference in another region: "Rebounding is nothing but Desire and Effort!"
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on January 30, 2014, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: BH2OFan on January 19, 2014, 08:57:47 AM

Pretty sure that's on EVERY recruiting radar every year :D

Go to Randolph Macon web site; click on women sports, basketball, tradition, then roster from past years..go to 2005-2006;  6-2; 6-3; 6-3; 6-5 AND REISHBECK listed 5-10, became 5-11 later.  That's the team we watched when the decision was made to go to RM.  I thought my child at 5-10 with long arms that helped her to play about 6; 6-1 would play guard or small forward.

Molly A at 6-2 came in with her, and Molly was told they weren't sure they would have room for her on a 12-man team, but the 6-3; 6-5 Jrs to be( 2006-2007) didn't come back and Molly made history.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2014, 11:40:21 AM
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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 04, 2014, 10:33:32 PM
R-MC wins tonight without Lauren  Vugteveen or Sarah Parsons. Hope they are okay.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 15, 2014, 09:35:49 AM
It's such a quiet board this season.  Looks like those 2 Jackets ^ are back in action, thank goodness.  They have a tall order before them today in Crenshaw.

Good luck to all around the ODAC today.

GO JACKETS!!! 



Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 15, 2014, 11:02:36 AM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on February 15, 2014, 09:35:49 AM
It's such a quiet board this season.  Looks like those 2 Jackets ^ are back in action, thank goodness.  They have a tall order before them today in Crenshaw.

Good luck to all around the ODAC today.

GO JACKETS!!!
Quiet indeed- seems a lot of regular contributor's daughters from years past have graduated, IMHO. I have considered asking you all how to recruit some new fans- maybe posting a link on the Facebook page of each team that has one?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 20, 2014, 06:34:36 AM
^ That's a great idea!

The Jackets have gotten very solid wins here at the end of the season.  The Guilford game last weekend was so exciting to watch.  What a comeback, Jackets! 

We're really proud of how they've come together as a team, weathered some rough patches & prepared themselves to compete for the ODAC Championships next week. 

Looking forward to one more home game this weekend...

GO JACKETS!!! 

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 23, 2014, 05:05:52 PM
Crickets...

Congrats to all the teams on an exciting season.  Congrats to the Jackets for beating the preseason prediction & earning the #2 seed.  (Congrats also on an undefeated season at home!!!)

There's so much to be proud of this year, including senior Paige Mills who is the ultimate team player & a student who will be greatly missed. 

Congrats to Coach LaHaye on another 20 win season!  Let's keep it going as long as we can.

Good luck to all for the play-in games & of course, for success in Salem.

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on February 24, 2014, 12:06:08 PM
1st round of ODAC tourney is tonight, good luck Lady Maroons!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 26, 2014, 06:13:11 PM
Congrats to the Royals and the Jackets on the final regional rankings!  Not sure why R-MC is #5 and EMU is #6 in the South Region but maybe SOS?  GO ODAC TEAMS!!!

Anyway, it's going to be a tough tournament for all the women in Salem. Hopefully, everyone is ready!!!  We, personally, will never forget a certain banked in trey by Ms. Jennifer O'Briant to keep the Jackets alive for an OT win v. Roanoke a couple years back.  Ya just never know so you can never give up!

Good luck & wishing safe travels for all to/from Salem.

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: BH2OFan on February 26, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on February 26, 2014, 06:13:11 PM
  We, personally, will never forget a certain banked in trey by Ms. Jennifer O'Briant to keep the Jackets alive for an OT win v. Roanoke a couple years back.
Did she call it? ;) ;D
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 27, 2014, 07:49:19 PM
LOL, she says not... that she didn't even know she hit it until she was mobbed.  What a game that was!

For drama the ODAC never disappoints!

Congrats tonight to the Jackets women on a credible but too close 96-91 win over Bridgewater who threatened late. 

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 02, 2014, 12:32:58 PM
ODAC championship games being broadcast free today: http://www.odaconline.com/landing/index

Accessing the feed was simple and the resolution is great. This is the way it should always be.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 02, 2014, 03:25:42 PM
Congratulations to the Jackets on the win today. I think that's the only game I've been able to watch start to finish this season.

It was almost as if the Jackets had separate offensive strategies in the first half and 2nd half. Not much posting up of Katie Anderson in the 2nd half. Perhaps doing that in the first half was necessitated by Taylor Huber's two early fouls, but I don't see why it couldn't have been employed in the 2nd half as well.

Outstanding job by the announcers.

I fell badly for Guilford's Gabby Oglesby for having to spend most of her final game on the bench with an injury. Could have been a different outcome if she'd been able to play.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 02, 2014, 06:35:08 PM
^ It was a great effort by both teams.  The Jackets just seemed determined to get the job done no matter what the obstacles were... and there were many. 

Congrats to the R-MC coaches and this unbelievable team!  Picked to finish 5th & taking the whole thing away from some very good opponents, especially GC. 

It's on to the next challenge ladies, the NCAA's, so enjoy the ride!!  (Hopefully the first round ride is not too far....)

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 03, 2014, 02:48:22 PM
Randolph-Macon goes to FDU - Florham to face Messiah and EMU gets in too!! Faces Christopher Newport at Ferrum.

Good luck to BOTH teams.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: wmjofva on March 05, 2014, 01:12:28 PM
Great to see RMC and EMU in NCAA's.  Too bad NCAA can't spend the money to seed the teams better.  I think EMC got the better seed.  They play #20 Chris Newport and if they win they play #16 Ferrum.  How is that better? ::)  RMC would play #6 FDU at home if they win first game.  Playing those teams with (RMC & EM) rating should be in the sweet 16 type game but the Div III doesn't have the money to pay the travel to seed better.  I remember a few years ago, I think RMC played #4 team in the country the first game.

RMC has had many 20 win seasons and has won the ODAC tournament often.  Good coaches, good system of playing and good support from the college.  Good players help.  Tale of two colleges.  Bridgewater gave them a very good game in tournament  96-91.  Coach Jean Willi always finds a way it seems at tournament time. 

Heather Cantrell 5'9" freshmen was named rookie of year for ODAC, last year at this time RMC was looking at her to join them, she chose to go to Bridgewater.  She is local girl from Broadway.  She started, played very well and was name ROY, she will have great career at Bridgewater.  If she had chosen RMC, I don't think she would have started until her Jr year but would have gotten quality time as a freshman but not as much as she did at Bridgewater.  Mistake...no...  but she may never play a NCAA tournament game in her four years.  Bridgewater is now taking Xmas trips like RMC does and the mins and stats may be enough.

If I had a 6'2" hs senior center who was getting interest from Div I lower level schools and could afford it, RMC would be an excellent school to look at.  There will be playing time for the next four years for another Molly A or Taylor W or Michelle Orton
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 07, 2014, 03:43:19 PM
^ We have heard FDU has that record b/c their schedule is not that strong.  We have no idea if that is true.  But Harrisonburg to Rocky Mount is certainly not much better (if any) in terms of the drive! 

We also agree H. Cantrell very impressive. 

Wishing to be in 2 places at once tonight.  Hoping the Jackets women have the success on the road this weekend that they had last weekend.  AND hoping the Jackets men are ready for a home stand!!!

GO JACKETS!!!   GO ROYALS!!!   GO ODAC!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on March 07, 2014, 10:37:32 PM
Well... both of our ODAC teams are out in the 1st round.  Sorry to see that, but happy for the seasons that they had.  Both will be back strong next year.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on June 06, 2014, 06:21:25 PM
Three ODAC players on this team: http://www.rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2013-14/releases/LaHaye_Scotland
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 24, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
I've seen R-MC's 2014-15 roster and notice Taylor Huber is not listed. Curious about that. 2RMCFans, do you know anything about that? Still plenty of talent and experience returning for a strong season and perhaps a more balanced offense without Huber.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on November 07, 2014, 03:43:13 PM
Here is the 2014/15 link for EMU WBB Roster.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/roster (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/roster) A large crop of newcomers, they should be pretty good.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on November 17, 2014, 11:14:20 AM
^^ late to get here this year.  We don't know why Taylor Huber is not at R-MC & she'll certainly be missed as would any member of the team.  Wherever she is, we wish her the best! 

There's so much talent on THIS Jackets team.  They're off to a great start with Sarah Parsons scoring 21 and Katie Anderson with a double double against Ferrum.  2 other Jackets (K. Hester & H. Livermon) scored in double figures.  There's also a new assistant coach, who played at UMW, to welcome to Ashland.

Hopefully, the women can spread it around this season & threaten from anywhere.  After another road game this week, we're excited to get to Crenshaw for the tournament this weekend.

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2014, 02:57:54 PM
^^^ 2RMCFans I'm using your up arrows technique, hope you don't mind.   :)  I'll be interested in your observations after you get to see the team play this weekend, especially anything you can share about the newcomers.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on November 19, 2014, 07:44:56 PM
Well, we followed the live stats from Marymount as their video would not load up properly & there was never any sound to be found.  The visitors committed most of the fouls in the 1st half, but the home team committed most the fouls in the 2nd half.  How does that happen????  Seems like there'd be some parity half to half:  maybe it's the refs because it's just hard to believe it really happens that way.

Jackets pull ahead in the 2nd half to win the game 68-58.  If the stats are to be believed (and we're really not sure about this), Hannah Livermon led all scorers with 18.  No freshmen really stood out in the stats tonight.

Way to go Jackets!  See you in Crenshaw this weekend.

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 19, 2014, 09:24:21 PM
The video from Marymount was extremely choppy and "paused" often, so it was hard to get any sense of the flow of the game or which players were doing what. However, in the second half I was able to see clearly enough the Jackets' #23, Hannah Livermon, hit a couple of threes and a couple of twos because she was shooting those shots from spots on the floor with her back to the camera and her uniform number easily visible. So I would guess her point total is likely to be accurate.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on November 21, 2014, 03:51:27 PM
#23 had a great game the other night.  Home opener is tonight!

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on November 21, 2014, 08:40:53 PM
The Jackets blew out Methodist in Crenshaw tonight. Haven't seen the stats but they played well together, the experienced players had a good night & several freshmen had a lot of good minutes.  They showed up to play! 

Everything looked good from where we were sitting.  It was so nice to see recent players Taylor Huber, Page Mills & Katie Williams among the spectators.  Hopefully, even more alums will show up tomorrow. 

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2014, 10:58:49 AM
Thanks for the report. I'm curious to hear how freshman Kareema Conteh comes along. I read an article that said she was approached by George Washington University about playing for them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on November 24, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
after starting with a loss in Ohio, EMU is now 2-1.  Most recent game was a blowout of York (PA).  Story of the game seems to be Freshman Sa'Mone Moore, from Covington, who came into her first college game and hit two quick threes.  All this following the recent passing of her mom. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 24, 2014, 03:48:51 PM
R-MC off to a 4-0 start after two wins at home over the weekend. Newcomers appear to be slowly getting a bit more playing time and contributing a bit more each game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on December 02, 2014, 02:01:59 PM
GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 03, 2014, 08:13:09 AM
Tough loss for the Jackets last night. Some missed opportunities on putbacks under the hoop could have meant a win. But I've seen that kind of thing happen to lots of teams. Great shooting by Hannah Livermon in the first half. Her joyful reaction to the three she hit at the end of the half was fun to see.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on December 03, 2014, 08:36:08 AM
Here is the report from the EMU/R-MC game last night.  Looks like Coach Griffin has another strong team on his hands!
http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20141202ll52fk (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20141202ll52fk)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on December 03, 2014, 08:49:18 AM
Yes, congrats to EMU on last night's win.  Not at the game, but can't help but notice the very lopsided fouls stat:  22 against R-MC v. 9 against EMU if the box score is correct. 

We know this is NEVER The reason for a loss but must note that the Jackets hit all 5 of their available FT's and EMU hit 80% of their 25 chances.  That 15-20 point FT differential is unusual.

The Jackets have a week & a half to get ready for the next opponent (VUU). 

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 03, 2014, 09:05:07 AM
Watching a game online isn't the best seat in the house, but it did seem to me that the Jackets did the majority of the fouling. One can always argue for or against any given call (or non-call), but overall I'd say EMU played a "cleaner" game than the Jackets.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on December 09, 2014, 12:46:44 PM
EMU moves to 6-1.  Went out of the gate hot against Ferrum the other night.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20141206pv8l5i (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20141206pv8l5i)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on December 17, 2014, 07:46:46 AM
^ Congrats on that!

The Jackets are in St. Thomas this weekend-- hope they have some fun as well as some wins! 

Merry Christmas everyone!

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on December 18, 2014, 03:18:44 PM
EMU drops one to Apprentice to end this part of the season. http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20141213y9vqxd (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20141213y9vqxd)  They are now off till Dec 30.  Only D3 loss was first game of the year to Wilmington (Ohio)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on December 31, 2014, 01:11:52 PM
EMU gets back to work with a good win after the break, defeating Christopher Newport in a repeat of the NCAA Tournament game last season.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20141230vz3cec (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20141230vz3cec) Jess Rheinheimer went OFF with 29 points and 12 rebounds. They are now 7-2.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 02, 2015, 06:18:31 PM
Love the message board name, flightless one. I like names that you make stop, think and then smile once you get the reference.

I'm adding it to my list of favorites along with CoocooforCoeCoepuffs and Feces Monkey, who was a Bowdoin fan. I don't get the connection between those two things but anything with the word monkey makes me laugh.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on January 05, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
Thanks, I for some reason, like the creative names too.  My cat is Joan Cougar MellenKat.   :-\

In WBB, EMU defeated The Washington College Shorewomen.  Jess Rheinheimer just about did it by herself, ending the game with 41 points and 10 rebounds.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150103452mvd (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150103452mvd)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 06, 2015, 04:55:04 PM
GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 07, 2015, 09:11:30 AM
I got to watch the first half of last night's R-MC/LC game. The video feed was pretty choppy so I missed a lot of what happened, but the announcers were fun to listen to. Looks like turnovers for LC and points off turnovers for R-MC were a big factor. The stats only show 4 fast break points for R-MC so I have to wonder what the definition of a fast break point is because it seemed the Jackets got more than that in the first half. At the very least the announcers were talking about the speed of R-MC in transition versus the size of Lynchburg. Always good to get a win on the road.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on January 08, 2015, 10:47:18 AM
EMU goes to Guilford and comes away with a win http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/201501070qy5zh (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/201501070qy5zh) Also, noted that Jess Rheinheimer was named National Player of the Week! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 10, 2015, 10:42:48 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 07, 2015, 09:11:30 AM
I got to watch the first half of last night's R-MC/LC game. The video feed was pretty choppy so I missed a lot of what happened, but the announcers were fun to listen to. Looks like turnovers for LC and points off turnovers for R-MC were a big factor. The stats only show 4 fast break points for R-MC so I have to wonder what the definition of a fast break point is because it seemed the Jackets got more than that in the first half. At the very least the announcers were talking about the speed of R-MC in transition versus the size of Lynchburg. Always good to get a win on the road.

Agree those announcers are the most entertaining ones we've come across & they also sounded very knowledgeable about the game itself, both teams... and refs.  Wish the video had been more stable but loved the fact it was free. 

Looked like the Jackets were ready to play & it was fun to watch them jump ahead & stay there.

GO JACKETS!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on January 12, 2015, 04:09:48 PM
As expected, EMU rolled over Hollins.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150110n0u6oc (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150110n0u6oc)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 13, 2015, 05:14:22 PM
Congrats to senior Sarah Parsons on Player of the Week. 

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 14, 2015, 06:39:29 AM
Congratulations to junior Katie Anderson with over 1000 career points to date.

The Jackets had their hands full with the Marlins last night but held on for the win.

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on January 14, 2015, 11:53:19 AM
24 straight home wins for the Lady Royals.  Nice!  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/201501137vju24 (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/201501137vju24)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 17, 2015, 12:54:44 PM
^ Very impressive!

Good luck to all the ODAC teams today.

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 17, 2015, 06:24:04 PM
I don't see Sarah Parsons in the box score of today's R-MC/Guilford game and no mention of her in the write-up. Hope she's okay.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 17, 2015, 06:42:02 PM
^Hope Sarah will be back soon too. Her leadership and quickness were missed today against Guilford.  The Jackets seemed confused on offense at times and threw too many passes away through the early part of the game today.   Amber Lee coming off the bench proved to be the spark that was needed both on the boards and scoring to lead the charge back by R-MC to give them the win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on January 19, 2015, 08:51:31 AM
22 turnovers was not a recipe for winning, EMU falls into a tie for the lead with LC and Randolph-Macon after losing in Lynchburg.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150117zg13wh (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150117zg13wh)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 20, 2015, 06:07:53 PM
GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 20, 2015, 10:45:19 PM
The Jackets starting lineup was a little different tonight, wasn't it? And it seemed that the substitution pattern, primarily at guard, was also different than what I recall. Could be just my bad memory. Poor Bridgewater couldn't seem to do anything right in the first half. Always good to get a road win, no matter how it comes.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: CMR on January 21, 2015, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 20, 2015, 10:45:19 PM
The Jackets starting lineup was a little different tonight, wasn't it? And it seemed that the substitution pattern, primarily at guard, was also different than what I recall. Could be just my bad memory. Poor Bridgewater couldn't seem to do anything right in the first half. Always good to get a road win, no matter how it comes.

Parsons has been out for a game or two, she did return last night off the bench, so maybe that's the reason.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 21, 2015, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: CMR on January 21, 2015, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 20, 2015, 10:45:19 PM
The Jackets starting lineup was a little different tonight, wasn't it? And it seemed that the substitution pattern, primarily at guard, was also different than what I recall. Could be just my bad memory. Poor Bridgewater couldn't seem to do anything right in the first half. Always good to get a road win, no matter how it comes.

Parsons has been out for a game or two, she did return last night off the bench, so maybe that's the reason.

I noticed that. I think the box score said she played 29 minutes -- quite a lot of time off the bench.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on January 22, 2015, 10:31:12 AM
Shenandoah keeps Rheinheimer in check, but still gives up 75 points as EMU wins 75-41 at home.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150121h3ump9 (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150121h3ump9)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 24, 2015, 10:10:51 AM
GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on January 26, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
Lady Royals jump to 13-3 (7-1) after going to Roanoke and coming out on top.  Offensive rebounds and 3pointers were the things carrying them to the win.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150124ewij02 (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150124ewij02)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 27, 2015, 05:11:47 PM
GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on January 28, 2015, 08:18:38 AM
EMU runs over BC 89-43 to move to 14-3 (8-1).  Also the Royals entered the Top 25!  Congrats to Coach Griffin and the Lady Royals.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150127t53mn2 (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150127t53mn2)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 28, 2015, 09:20:21 AM
Not a real good video feed for the R-MC at Randolph game last night -- at least not for me. From what I watched, which wasn't the whole game, it looked like a pretty fast paced but not very precise game with lots of turnovers and lots of missed shots beneath the basket by both teams. Still, another road win for the Jackets (the announcer was calling them the Hornets for about the first ten minutes).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 28, 2015, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: flightless bird fan on January 28, 2015, 08:18:38 AM
Also the Royals entered the Top 25!

I see in the most recent D3hoops poll, both EMU and R-MC receiving votes but neither has broken into the top 25 yet.
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2014-15/week8 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2014-15/week8)

Would be good to have both teams continue to finish strong so ODAC could possibly have two teams go to the playoffs.  Even though they won't face each other before the end of the regular season, both must still play VWC, W&L and Lynchburg again and then comes the tournament where anything goes.

It's good to see the depth of competition.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 28, 2015, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 28, 2015, 09:20:21 AM
Not a real good video feed for the R-MC at Randolph game last night -- at least not for me. From what I watched, which wasn't the whole game, it looked like a pretty fast paced but not very precise game with lots of turnovers and lots of missed shots beneath the basket by both teams. Still, another road win for the Jackets (the announcer was calling them the Hornets for about the first ten minutes).

We were having a good laugh over being Hornets instead of Jackets & were getting ready to tweet them (probably a student) when he corrected himself & shouted out to his mom for correcting him.  How cute is that!

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 03, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
The board is so quiet this year.

Jackets have a tough one ahead tonight at VWC. 

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 03, 2015, 05:03:59 PM
^^^ Well I, for one, appreciate what you have to say here and on the men's board. I won't be able to watch tonight because I will be at games of the women's and men's teams I follow out here in Saint Louis. But I have a friend with a smart phone who will check the score for me and I will look forward to your observations about the game -- assuming you get to watch tonight.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on February 04, 2015, 11:46:32 AM
EMU women move into first place in the ODAC and up to 24th the the USA Today Poll.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/201502030hmu69 (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/201502030hmu69)  Also, a nice story about their forward combo.  http://www.emuroyals.com/information/royalsnews/2015shakjessduo (http://www.emuroyals.com/information/royalsnews/2015shakjessduo)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 06, 2015, 07:35:37 AM
^^ y_jack_lok-- we thought the Jackets played great on Tues. & were really happy to see them get that win.  Katie Anderson is really dominating w/13 double doubles so far this season. 

^ Congrats to the Royals!  What a great season they are having. 

R-MC needing to focus hard the rest of the season.  Looks like Salem is going to be really exciting this year--- for the women & the men.

Good luck to all for the weekend.

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on February 09, 2015, 02:04:19 PM
Lady Royals hold serve at home against Randolph.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/201502079nm75x (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/201502079nm75x) Senior  Shakeerah Sykes tops 1000 points for her career.  Congrats!  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/bios/sykes_shakeerah_r0px (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/bios/sykes_shakeerah_r0px)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 10, 2015, 05:37:36 PM
GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 11, 2015, 08:20:27 AM
Close win last night for the Jackets at W & L 73-71.  Congrats to Sarah Parsons on 29 points including the game winning shot at .03 to go.  She also hit all 9 of her FT's. 

The announcers called her moves "crafty" a couple of times.  More like "skillful" to us!

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 11, 2015, 09:16:39 AM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on February 11, 2015, 08:20:27 AM
Close win last night for the Jackets at W & L 73-71.  Congrats to Sarah Parsons on 29 points including the game winning shot at .03 to go.  She also hit all 9 of her FT's. 

The announcers called her moves "crafty" a couple of times.  More like "skillful" to us!

GO JACKETS!!!

I only watched about the first 15 minutes (and the score tied at 28-28), but the announcers used "crafty" to describe Parsons several times in those minutes. Still, very good announcers with some great observations and comments. Glad the Jackets were able to squeak out the win.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on February 12, 2015, 10:15:45 AM
EMU didn't have much trouble with Shenandoah last night, moving to 18-3 (12-1) on the year.  Big game coming up Saturday against LC.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150211nnjw7t (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150211nnjw7t)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on February 12, 2015, 02:49:56 PM
Regional Rankings
1   Texas-Tyler   21-1   21-1
2   Eastern Mennonite   17-2   17-3
3   Maryville (Tenn.)   19-2   19-2
4   Randolph-Macon   17-2   17-3
5   Texas-Dallas   17-4   17-4
6   Lynchburg   15-6   15-6
7   Trinity (Texas)   16-5   17-5
8   Louisiana College   14-5   14-5
9   Berry   15-5   16-5

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 14, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
^ congrats to both ODAC teams on their regional rankings!

Jackets have a long trip today.  Good luck to all for today's games.

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on February 16, 2015, 10:21:47 AM
For the fourth straight year, EMU will have at least a share of the ODAC regular season title.  Congrats to Coach Griffin and the Lady Royals.  Saturday, they beat LC http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150214jtpyun (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150214jtpyun)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 17, 2015, 07:27:07 AM
^ Yes, the Royals deserve a lot of credit!  Congrats to them!

Jackets need to regroup for their postponed game tomorrow night.  Hope they will finish the regular season strong! 

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on February 19, 2015, 09:58:52 AM
Regular season title and another 20 win season for the Lady Royals.  Good job!  Now finish it out with the tournament!  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150218awnidv (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/20150218awnidv)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 20, 2015, 08:00:53 AM
Good luck to all for the final games of the regular season.

Congrats to EMU on the regular season title!

It's Senior Day in Crenshaw.  Hope a nice crowd turns out for Sarah Parsons & Caroline Young.  It's never easy to say goodbye to these young women who give so much to the college, on & off the court. 

GO JACKETS!!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on February 23, 2015, 10:20:49 AM
The Lady Royals sent their seniors out in style, nearly breaking the 100 point mark to clinch the regular season title.  The seniors so far are 62-6 in the ODAC during their four years!  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/201502221zquyz (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/201502221zquyz)  Also, did you see the Funky Winkerbean strip Sunday? http://comicskingdom.com/funky-winkerbean/2015-02-22 (http://comicskingdom.com/funky-winkerbean/2015-02-22)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 24, 2015, 05:24:00 PM
^ Did see it... very funny!

Good luck to all & safe travels to/from Salem.

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Kenleen on February 27, 2015, 10:43:06 PM
Will third time as the number one seed be a charm for the EMU Royals?  They are overdue to win the tournament with 2004 being the last outright win.  That year they had a first-round bye and advanced to the sweet-sixteen with a last-second shot to beat CNU.  I'd like to see them surpass that this year.  Go Royals! VWC is athletic and will represent a challenge, but EMU's depth should win out. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 04, 2015, 07:10:55 PM
Sure did get quiet with the conclusion of the ODAC tournament.

Congratulations to VWC on their title. 

I'm happy that EMU still got into the playoff field as well. They've played so well all season to not have had the chance to show their stuff in the big dance.

Good luck to both teams.

Also, super Kudos to both Sarah Parsons of R-MC and Jess Rheinheimer of EMU for being named Josten's finalists!  What a great honor for both of them as well as for the ODAC - to have TWO representatives in the field. 
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/03/jostens-finalists-announced (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/03/jostens-finalists-announced)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 06, 2015, 06:54:43 PM
Eastern Mennonite comes back from being down by 18 and wins 77-76 over La Roche on a last second layup!!!

Way to go EMU!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on March 07, 2015, 10:36:32 AM
Great win by the Lady Royals, but now they get the honor of playing national #1 Thomas More.  Yikes!  Good luck to them.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 15, 2015, 01:08:31 PM
Congratulations to Jess Rheinheimer on being only the second Junior EVER to be selected as the winner of the Josten's Trophy.  What a great honor for her and EMU.  Well deserved.

http://www.odaconline.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/031315-emu-rheinheimer-jostens (http://www.odaconline.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/031315-emu-rheinheimer-jostens)

Thanks for a great ODAC season!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on November 12, 2015, 09:12:25 AM
Check out the preview article on the Lady Royals.  Includes the fact Jess Rheinheimer has been named Pre-Season First Team All-American.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20151111pxnabi (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20151111pxnabi)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on November 13, 2015, 04:15:32 PM
Good luck to all around the ODAC for another great season of basketball!

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 18, 2015, 09:32:29 AM
R-MC off to a solid 2-1 start, tripped up only by Marymount's dominant 4th quarter yesterday. I wasn't able to watch but the box score shows Marymount with a guard who put up Megan Silva like stats. Would love to hear observations anyone who's seen games. Also wondering about next year given that there are only 10 players on the roster and four are seniors.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on November 19, 2015, 11:52:19 AM
EMU hosted their classic last weekend.  Won the first http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20151113zko6ri (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20151113zko6ri) and dropped the second to a strong Capital team http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/201511151rgp07 (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/201511151rgp07). The loss broke the Lady Royals 31 game home winning streak.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2015, 04:25:32 PM
R-MC won today over Neumann by 12 and Katie Anderson doesn't play after scoring 19 points and grabbing 9 rebounds in  37 minutes yesterday. You have to think the margin would have been greater if Anderson had played. Hope she's okay.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on November 23, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
EMU dropped Sewanee and Berry at Roanoke's Tip Off Classic over the weekend.  As expected Jess Rheinheimer led the way, but it looks like first year Lady Royal Lindsey Krisak from Alexandria, Va is a player to watch.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/201511221nzrrz (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/201511221nzrrz)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on November 24, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
^^Hoping Katie Anderson is okay to start tonight on the road.

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 24, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on November 24, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
^^Hoping Katie Anderson is okay to start tonight on the road.

GO JACKETS!!!!

Good to see that Katie Anderson was back on the court tonight, but another player was sick and didn't play. Must be a bug going around. Hope it isn't affecting anyone else, but if it is I hope everyone gets well soon. Nice win on the road against a solid opponent.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on November 25, 2015, 12:49:23 PM
Preseason first and second ranked ODAC teams played last night at EMU with Lynchburg winning.  It is the only meeting of the two this regular season.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/201511250gaxgb (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/201511250gaxgb)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 29, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
Hoopsville returns from the Thanksgiving break with plenty to cover.

The season has certainly started with a lot of stuff. Rule changes, upsets, hot and cold starts, and more. That's why we added more Hoopsville shows to start the season! Tonight, we talk to some who have started hot, those with high expectations, and preview the final Wendy's Classic.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7pm ET tonight!

Guests include:
- Mike Daley, Wendy's Classic Director and former Nazareth men's coach
- Keith Bunkenburg, Benedictine men's coach
- Greg Mitchell, No. 16 Hope men's coach
- Abby Pyzik Smith, Lynchburg women's coach

Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
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AND our podcast as been approved for iTunes!!! You should be able to find it... but here is a link, just in case: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on November 30, 2015, 12:24:31 PM
Lady Royals knocked off Ferrum in a close match.  Good to see the women rebound from the loss earlier in the week.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20151128opmxoi (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20151128opmxoi)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on December 01, 2015, 05:37:26 PM
Hate to miss a home game tonight & hope a good crowd turns out.

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on December 08, 2015, 04:05:38 PM
Nice article in the Lancaster, Pa., newspaper about Lady Royals star Jess Rheinheimer.  http://lancasteronline.com/sports/basketball/college/former-blazer-jess-rheinheimer-off-to-terrific-start-for-eastern/article_8093188e-9d3e-11e5-a818-0f3cff50eb7a.html (http://lancasteronline.com/sports/basketball/college/former-blazer-jess-rheinheimer-off-to-terrific-start-for-eastern/article_8093188e-9d3e-11e5-a818-0f3cff50eb7a.html)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on December 21, 2015, 01:42:11 PM
EMU runs Hood out of the gym to finish up their 2015 part of season.  That was with bench players getting most of the minutes in the 4th quarter.  They are 7-2 as they get geared up for the 2016 start.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20151219tvyjgh (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20151219tvyjgh)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on December 31, 2015, 07:16:02 PM
Happy New Year to everyone around the ODAC!

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 06, 2016, 07:56:14 AM
Very quiet board this season:

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 07, 2016, 03:48:25 PM
I watched some of the R-MC game against Greensboro. Came in with the Jackets leading early in the 3rd period and extended the lead to around 20, then let it slip away in the 4th before holding on for the 8 point win.

I think I mentioned a while back that with only 10 players, 4 of whom will graduate, I have to wonder about next season for the Jackets. I know coach LaHaye doesn't like a huge roster, but with 10 players if you lose even one to injury for a while it has to cause problems in practice. Lose more than one and...

I know some schools out here in Illinois and Missouri that have a hard time getting players and have rosters of only 8 or 9. I don't think getting players should be a problem for R-MC, however. Seems like 13-15 players is an ideal roster size.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 09, 2016, 07:33:15 AM
^ good points!  Hopefully, the coaches are preparing already. 

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 09, 2016, 06:19:31 PM
Didn't get to watch today's R-MC/LC game, so would love to hear comments from anyone who did. From what I have been able to watch so far this season and looking at today's box score, I'd have to say the Jackets have some issues on defense.
Katie Anderson with another monster game
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on January 11, 2016, 03:04:58 PM
After being taken to double overtime at home by Bridgewater, it was good to see the Lady Royals push back on the road over Guilford.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20160109ub3406  (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20160109ub3406)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 12, 2016, 08:04:19 AM
^^ saw that one on Sat. & don't know exactly what to say except that Lynchburg clearly wanted that win.  They also have some monster performers.  Hope the Jackets can get it going fast tonight!

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 12, 2016, 11:42:44 AM
Two ODAC players make the d3hoops.com team of the week: http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/tow/2015-16/week7
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 13, 2016, 07:07:51 AM
And the Jackets got a great win at home last night!  Hannah Livermon with 29 & Katie Anderson gets her 9th double double (20/14) of the season.

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 16, 2016, 10:31:10 AM
Need a road win today.  Hope the Jackets are ready!

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 19, 2016, 04:56:06 PM
We know we're repeating ourselves to the crickets!

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 19, 2016, 07:06:26 PM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on January 19, 2016, 04:56:06 PM
We know we're repeating ourselves to the crickets!

GO JACKETS!!!!

Chirp, chirp.  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 19, 2016, 10:49:10 PM
Followed the live stats of R-MC's win at Bridgewater. Hard to come up with words to describe the kind of season Katie Anderson is having. Every bit as impressive as the season Lamont Moore is having for the men. If it were a contest Katie might have an edge.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2016, 12:12:42 PM
Too bad Emory and Henry does not nourish a posting community.  The Wasps are putting up quite a season and emerging from a bad stretch. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 20, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
^^^ My observation is that posting all over the d3hoops boards has been slowing down over time. Don't know if that's true or not, but it seems so. And, yes, the E&H women are having a good season. I think there were signs last season that they were getting better.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 28, 2016, 06:29:49 AM
Looks like from the stats the Jackets fought hard at Randolph but couldn't pull out the win.  They should re-group at home this weekend & hopefully finish strong in February.

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 28, 2016, 02:29:57 PM
I wonder what happened on the trip out that caused the delay in arrival and subsequent start of the game, because it definitely had an impact on R-MC's production in several categories.  They didn't make a 3 point shot until the 4th quarter, and made only 22% of 3's attempted for the game.   
 
Their overall shooting percentage was 38.5% for the game and only 8.3%  :o  in the 3rd quarter. They were not much better from the charity stripe either, only making 19 of 32 freebies!  They had averaged almost 84% in FT shooting over the prior six games. If they had maintained that average alone, it would have resulted in an additional 7 points on the board.  The combined effect was obviously too much to overcome and I would say very uncharacteristic.

I agree 2Fans, I hope they figure out how to recover quickly or it will be a very    l  o  n  g     and painful February for Yellow Jackets everywhere.

Hope to see a big crowd and many old friends and former players at Back to the Hive this weekend.  Go  O D D's!!!   ;)

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 28, 2016, 04:02:30 PM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 28, 2016, 02:29:57 PM
I wonder what happened on the trip out that caused the delay in arrival and subsequent start of the game, because it definitely had an impact on R-MC's production in several categories.  They didn't make a 3 point shot until the 4th quarter, and made only 22% of 3's attempted for the game.   
 
Their overall shooting percentage was 38.5% for the game and only 8.3%  :o  in the 3rd quarter. They were not much better from the charity stripe either, only making 19 of 32 freebies!  They had averaged almost 84% in FT shooting over the prior six games. If they had maintained that average alone, it would have resulted in an additional 7 points on the board.  The combined effect was obviously too much to overcome and I would say very uncharacteristic.

I agree 2Fans, I hope they figure out how to recover quickly or it will be a very    l  o  n  g     and painful February for Yellow Jackets everywhere.

Hope to see a big crowd and many old friends and former players at Back to the Hive this weekend.  Go  O D D's!!!   ;)

I am going to reiterate what I said earlier about R-MC's roster size. There is men's team in the conference I follow out here in the midwest that has four players who could start for any team in the conference. But after that they have only another 4 or 5 players and the talent level drops off a good bit. Consequently they are winless in conference and as the season wears on the guys who are playing 30-35 minutes every game are getting worn out. I think a team needs 13-15 players, 8 or 9 of whom are good enough to put on the floor every game. I think the R-MC women have 7 players, tops, who can help the team win. Factor that in with normal travel to away games, not to mention last night's travel issues, plus a long season, and the wins get harder to come by.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 28, 2016, 07:09:45 PM
^^^ I just looked at the box score from last night's game and I see a new name -- Lexi Mallory. If all non-graduating players return, that will be seven next year plus new incoming players. I know recruiting doesn't always work out as hoped, but bringing in at least six next season would be ideal.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 30, 2016, 09:06:33 AM
Jackets at home today with alums on site.

GO JACKETS!!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: jmill07 on January 30, 2016, 06:38:06 PM
Very nice win for Virginia Wesleyan today at Emory & Henry!  E&H rallied in the fourth to put the pressure on the Marlins, but VWC did not fold and posted a big conference win! VWC hit 10 triples, including five from senior Kelly Jones...rookie Jayla Harris led VWC with 21 points....Marlins hit big free throws in the final seconds
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 30, 2016, 09:12:15 PM
R-MC's Katie Anderson with an ODAC record 28 rebounds today. That's an insane number of rebounds in one game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on January 31, 2016, 10:33:08 AM
As we think you said already, Anderson is having a fantastic season.  The outcome yesterday was never really in doubt but congrats to her on setting an ODAC record. 

And how great was it to see 30 WBB alums on campus yesterday?  What a great turnout for the women's game v. Hollins and for the program in general!

We heard that the new player L. Mallory played R-MC women's soccer last fall & wanted to play basketball, too.  Okay, sounds good!  There are very few athletes at R-MC who play more than one sport, so hats off to them; it cannot be easy.

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 31, 2016, 03:29:13 PM
^^^ Not many athletes play more than one sport at any level anymore. Hats off to those that do. There's a coach I know out here who played four sports -- soccer, basketball, tennis, and baseball -- in the late 90s. Not sure how he managed tennis and baseball. He then became an assistant basketball coach at his alma mater, then added head tennis coach (men and women) to that for a few years, before finally taking over as head men's soccer coach, which is now his sole job. Also had a woman at the same institution who played soccer, basketball, and softball. Another one currently plays basketball and softball and there was one who played volleyball and ran track and field. Sorry, I'll stop now.  :)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2016, 06:03:44 PM
Guilford's 60-58 home win over the Generals on Saturday gave Coach Flamini her 200th victory with the Quakers and kept GC in first place in the ODAC with a 16-2, 10-1 record.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 02, 2016, 08:19:24 AM
^Congratulations indeed!  Quite an accomplishment for the Guilford women (& their coach). 

Jackets must be tough tonight at Shenandoah.  If we know Coach CK at all, she will have her team ready!

GO JACKETS!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 02, 2016, 09:20:30 AM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on February 02, 2016, 08:19:24 AM
^Congratulations indeed!  Quite an accomplishment for the Guilford women (& their coach). 

Jackets must be tough tonight at Shenandoah.  If we know Coach CK at all, she will have her team ready!

GO JACKETS!!!

CK hasn't been there for a couple of seasons; she moved to Lafayette as an assistant.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 03, 2016, 09:01:40 AM
Turned on the R-MC/Shennandoah game for about the final 2 minutes last night with the Jackets up 72-71. Sadly that was the end of their scoring except for a last second heave (2 pointer) that banked in, while SU was able to make a hoop then seal it at the FT line. Bummer.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:57:26 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 06, 2016, 09:45:55 AM
GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on February 08, 2016, 11:33:17 AM
Nice second win over GC by the Lady Royals.  Guessing not many will want to play them in the playoffs.  http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20160206vuo1pm (http://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20160206vuo1pm)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 09, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2016, 02:37:48 PM
Alright, folks -- the NCAA's first women's basketball regional rankings are posted. Check out the full list from D3hoops.com:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on February 11, 2016, 10:23:27 AM
South

1 Texas-Tyler 18-1 21-1
2 Guilford 16-3 16-3
3 Maryville (Tenn.) 17-3 17-3
4 Lynchburg 17-4 17-4
5 Trinity (Texas) 16-3 18-4
6 Birmingham-Southern 17-2 18-2
7 Hendrix 16-5 16-5
8 Emory & Henry 15-4 15-5
9 Eastern Mennonite 14-6 14-6

EMU has three left, including with R-MC and W&L, both who beat the Lady Royals once this year.  Probably need to run the table to stay in this list???  Although the two wins again GC carries a little weight, I guess.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 11:03:34 AM
Remember, Results Versus Regionally Ranked Opponents was not factored into the first rankings. Next week will change just on that criteria alone, which also opens the door to more comparing across the board. So don't read into winning the next three to stay in the rankings... because the other criteria could turn rankings on their head.

Also, EMU being in ninth basically is a parting gift. They aren't getting an at-large bid from that position or even slightly higher. You really need to be in the top five here to have a chance. So EMU needs to win the ODAC title if they want to get in.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2016, 12:14:26 PM
Dave:  Why the shift in criteria from last week to next in the regional rankings?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 12:26:39 PM
It's because part of the criteria can't be used in the first week. You can't have "Results Versus Regionally Ranked Opponents" when there aren't any regionally ranked opponents in the first place. So the first Regional Rankings don't have that part of the criteria to be used. Next week will have the first regional rankings to fall back on for that data... which adds that to the mix AND will by default open up other comparisons that weren't there in the first place. Basically, as the men's committee chair said to me, it allows them to pull back another layer of the onion to see what is going on and make a better decision... or a more comprehensive one.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2016, 02:15:16 PM
Thanks.  Had I taken the time to think about it, I would not have had to ask....
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 03:11:45 PM
All good.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 13, 2016, 10:12:41 AM
Katie Anderson is within 2 of the Jackets rebounding record held by Molly Ariail.  That's amazing!!

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 13, 2016, 07:30:29 PM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on February 13, 2016, 10:12:41 AM
Katie Anderson is within 2 of the Jackets rebounding record held by Molly Ariail.  That's amazing!!

GO JACKETS!!!!

Not any more. Quite an accomplishment. Congrats to her.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 16, 2016, 08:37:37 AM
^Yes, while taking nothing away from the now all time #2 rebounder, Molly Ariail '10.   Sometimes it's hard to believe the quality of basketball YJ women have produced.  Hopefully, this is '06 Megan Silva's year for HOF.  (Or at least very soon.)

Tough road game for the women tonight.

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 16, 2016, 08:58:34 AM
With the week Katie Anderson had, including ODAC Player of the Week, I was surprised not to see her on the d3hoops.com team of the week. I hope it wasn't an oversight on someone's part to not nominate her. Although the five players selected certainly had outstanding weeks as well.

http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/tow/2015-16/week12
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 23, 2016, 06:08:56 AM
^ A big hand for Katie Anderson breaking the ODAC career rebounding record last night v. SU.  What an accomplishment for her! 

Congrats to all the teams heading to Salem tomorrow!

GO JACKETS!!!! 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 24, 2016, 05:06:59 PM
Good luck to all in Salem!

GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 24, 2016, 10:15:06 PM
Congratulations to all ODAC-team member selections!

I am a bit surprised that Katie Anderson was not the choice for POY however.  Not to take anything away from Jess Rheinheimer who is an outstanding player, but Anderson ranks 1st in 4 of the top stats categories for the season, and ahead of Rheinheimer in overall points, points per game, total rebounds and rebounds per game.  Anderson ranks higher than Rheinheimer in field goal percentage, steels per game and is has a FT % of .815 to JR's .827 with 50 more attempts.  The one category Rheinheimer holds a significant stat over Anderson is in 3 pt shots, which Anderson rarely  attempted (maybe 3 all year).  Chart below.

Given Anderson's ODAC record setting rebounding this year, total rebounds as well as a single game record of 28, combined with 18 double/double games, I just think her performance this year would have given her the nod.  EMU as a team has had slightly better success finishing 5th in the conference to RMC 7th place ranking, but I wouldn't think that would impact recognition of the individual's performance. 

                                    Rheinheimer   Anderson
Overall points scored            2nd – 495   1st - 517
Points per game                    2nd – 19.8   1st – 20.7
Total Rebounds                    11th - 168   1st - 310
Rebounds avg/game            11th – 6.7   1st – 12.4
Field Goal %                      8th - .480   5th - .529
Free Throws made/attempt        91-110           137-168
Free Throw Percentage       3rd - .827   4th - .815
Steels per game                     Not Ranked   9th – 2.0
3 pt %                               7th - .350   Not Ranked


Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: CMR on February 25, 2016, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on February 24, 2016, 10:15:06 PM
Congratulations to all ODAC-team member selections!

I am a bit surprised that Katie Anderson was not the choice for POY however.  Not to take anything away from Jess Rheinheimer who is an outstanding player, but Anderson ranks 1st in 4 of the top stats categories for the season, and ahead of Rheinheimer in overall points, points per game, total rebounds and rebounds per game.  Anderson ranks higher than Rheinheimer in field goal percentage, steels per game and is has a FT % of .815 to JR's .827 with 50 more attempts.  The one category Rheinheimer holds a significant stat over Anderson is in 3 pt shots, which Anderson rarely  attempted (maybe 3 all year).  Chart below.

Given Anderson's ODAC record setting rebounding this year, total rebounds as well as a single game record of 28, combined with 18 double/double games, I just think her performance this year would have given her the nod.  EMU as a team has had slightly better success finishing 5th in the conference to RMC 7th place ranking, but I wouldn't think that would impact recognition of the individual's performance. 

                                    Rheinheimer   Anderson
Overall points scored            2nd – 495   1st - 517
Points per game                    2nd – 19.8   1st – 20.7
Total Rebounds                    11th - 168   1st - 310
Rebounds avg/game            11th – 6.7   1st – 12.4
Field Goal %                      8th - .480   5th - .529
Free Throws made/attempt        91-110           137-168
Free Throw Percentage       3rd - .827   4th - .815
Steels per game                     Not Ranked   9th – 2.0
3 pt %                               7th - .350   Not Ranked

Totally agree, this is not right!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: 2RMCFans on February 26, 2016, 08:40:25 AM
Congrats to all on conference honors received.  Glad to see Anderson & Livermon recognized on 1st & 2nd teams.  Agree POY looks a little off for this year, but maybe their 4 year stats comparison played a role? 

Looking forward to next season for a very young Jackets team!  GO JACKETS!!!!   

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 26, 2016, 10:49:25 AM
Quote from: 2RMCFans on February 26, 2016, 08:40:25 AM
Congrats to all on conference honors received.  Glad to see Anderson & Livermon recognized on 1st & 2nd teams.  Agree POY looks a little off for this year, but maybe their 4 year stats comparison played a role? 

Looking forward to next season for a very young Jackets team!  GO JACKETS!!!!

Previous years shouldn't matter. It is player of the YEAR for the current season only and could go to a freshman if warranted. The only thing missing from the above statistical comparison is assists. There is also defense that factors in. I have no idea how the two compare in those areas.

Hoping Coach LaHaye is bringing in some new faces that have the potential to be as good as the four who are graduating. Those four went through a challenging freshman year but got a lot of experience that paid dividends over their final three seasons.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 26, 2016, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 26, 2016, 10:49:25 AM
Previous years shouldn't matter. It is player of the YEAR for the current season only and could go to a freshman if warranted. The only thing missing from the above statistical comparison is assists. There is also defense that factors in. I have no idea how the two compare in those areas.
Anderson    Rheinheimer
Assists                       45            51
Turnovers                   78            56
Asst/TO ratio               .6             .9
Steals                       51             29
Blocks                       19             11

Rheinheimer with better Assist to Turnover ratio, but Anderson better in steals and blocks (the defensive frame of reference). 

But time to  move on rooting for whichever ODAC team takes the championship into the NCAA playoffs.  GO ODAC!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 27, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
^^^ Thanks. Yes. Time to move on.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 29, 2016, 06:19:00 PM
Guilford (21-5) vs Mount Union (20-7) at Thomas More (KY).  Lynchburg (24-4) vs Birmingham-Southern (24-3) at Maryville (TN).
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 02, 2016, 09:06:18 PM
Congratulations to Jess Rheinheimer of Eastern Mennonite and Bridgewater's Cassidy Burkholder for being selected as Jostens finalists!!  Wonder how often TWO of the ten finalists are from the same conference.  You certainly have represented your schools and the ODAC well.  http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/03/jostens-finalists-announced (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/03/jostens-finalists-announced)

Also, just as wonderful is that the ODAC has TWO teams to root for in the womens playoffs.  Congratulations to Guilford and Lynchburg and best of luck to you both.

Too bad Guilford will have to face #1 Thomas More in the 2nd round if they get by Mount Union.  Lynchburg will have the same hurdle to clear if they win their first two games.  Nevertheless, there are many teams sitting at home wishing they had the same potential obstacle to face.

GO ODAC!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 03, 2016, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 02, 2016, 09:06:18 PM
Congratulations to Jess Rheinheimer of Eastern Mennonite and Bridgewater's Cassidy Burkholder for being selected as Jostens finalists!!  Wonder how often TWO of the ten finalists are from the same conference.  You certainly have represented your schools and the ODAC well.  http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/03/jostens-finalists-announced (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/03/jostens-finalists-announced)

Also, just as wonderful is that the ODAC has TWO teams to root for in the womens playoffs.  Congratulations to Guilford and Lynchburg and best of luck to you both.

Too bad Guilford will have to face #1 Thomas More in the 2nd round if they get by Mount Union.  Lynchburg will have the same hurdle to clear if they win their first two games.  Nevertheless, there are many teams sitting at home wishing they had the same potential obstacle to face.

GO ODAC!!!
Agree on all counts!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 07, 2016, 10:08:02 AM
Quakers fall at Thomas More College in second round, 92-40 ... looks as though the 29-0 Saints deserve that #1 ranking!  Guilford finishes a fine season at 22-6 with an opening round 61-57 win over Mt. Union.   
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 07, 2016, 10:24:49 AM
Maryville now has the "honor" of playing Thomas More.  It beats not playing by a long shot, but still....  How is it that the Saints are so dominant?  Is it second choice if you are not recruited by Notre Dame?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 07, 2016, 12:43:59 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 07, 2016, 10:24:49 AM
Maryville now has the "honor" of playing Thomas More.  It beats not playing by a long shot, but still....  How is it that the Saints are so dominant?  Is it second choice if you are not recruited by Notre Dame?

First of all, they have a lot of good players, though I doubt none was recruited by Notre Dame. I've watched them online several times last season and this. Their star, Sydney Moss, initially went to Florida and was on the all SEC freshman team three years ago. She transferred to Thomas More to be closer to home for family reasons. When you have a legitimate D1 player on your team, plus a lot of other good players, you have a good shot at winning lots and lots of games. It would not surprise me to see Thomas More as a top 25 team next season as well, after Sydney Moss graduates this year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 07, 2016, 11:21:15 PM
I'd say that until someone beats them, they will be a lot higher than "just" a top 25 team next year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 08, 2016, 12:36:04 AM
If anyone has looked at the numbers, they will notice that Moss' scoring and rebounding are down while here assists are up this season. The rest of the team is very, very good and they have won games without her. While she is the star and gets a lot of attention for good reason... what makes them so tough to beat is that the rest of the team is scary good making doubling Moss out of the question.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 08, 2016, 12:40:37 PM
If you look at TMC's results, their schedule is riddled with 30-60 point wins and sub-50 and even sub-40 defensive efforts. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 09, 2016, 12:38:18 PM
hasanova...this is to make me feel better about Maryville playing them?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 11, 2016, 10:36:38 AM
Quote from: hasanova on March 08, 2016, 12:40:37 PM
If you look at TMC's results, their schedule is riddled with 30-60 point wins and sub-50 and even sub-40 defensive efforts.

TMC's smallest margin of victory is 14 (3 times) and largest is 74. One of their wins was by 24 over the #5 ranked team in NAIA Division 1, Shawnee State who are 28-5 and won their conference tournament.

Good luck to Maryville tonight.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 11, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
Thomas More looks on video to be really good and with many skills, speed, size, shooters, discipline, energy.  I think Maryville is a pretty good DIII team and TMC had their way (except the Scots won the third quarter!).  Good luck now to the Saints, since Maryville seems often to get bounced by whomever wins the national title.  Maybe some year we can try another bracket.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 12, 2016, 11:00:17 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 11, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
Thomas More looks on video to be really good and with many skills, speed, size, shooters, discipline, energy.  I think Maryville is a pretty good DIII team and TMC had their way (except the Scots won the third quarter!).  Good luck now to the Saints, since Maryville seems often to get bounced by whomever wins the national title.  Maybe some year we can try another bracket.

Maryville got off to a rocky start (with TMC playing with that energy you mentioned) falling behind 16-0 in spite of Sydney Moss missing 3 or 4 shots early -- and generally having a poor shooting game. But her passing was amazing, and she has other skills and generally makes really good decisions, so they don't always need her to score in order to win because the whole team is good. Still, Maryville played well as the game progressed and is definitely a good DIII team. Tonight Wash U gets the honor of playing TMC. Wash U is a historically good program with five national championships. They lost to TMC in the Sweet 16 last year, 103-90, and this year's Wash U team is not as good. If Wash U can keep it close anything can happen, but I'm not expecting an upset.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: mark_reichert on March 12, 2016, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on March 12, 2016, 11:00:17 AM

Tonight Wash U gets the honor of playing TMC. Wash U is a historically good program with five national championships. They lost to TMC in the Sweet 16 last year, 103-90, and this year's Wash U team is not as good. If Wash U can keep it close anything can happen, but I'm not expecting an upset.

They're also banged up.  Natalie Orr has been their best three point shooter and is out with a foot injury.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 12, 2016, 08:12:03 PM
Wash U. gave Thomas More a serious game.  They looked pretty good.  TMC got most of its 88 points from three players.

If you are Maryville, or Guilford or Lynchburg, do you want to play these teams during the season?  Building a credible schedule is important and so is playing really good competition, but losing a bunch is a bummer!

For what it is worth, here is the link to the Maryville paper's story about MC and TMC, including the coach's comments about TMC.   http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/defending-champions-knock-out-mc-women-in-sweet/article_006f24bb-e505-538a-81bb-e34f3eb970b1.html
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 12, 2016, 10:04:58 PM
^^^ Yes, a good game. Abby Owings for TMC was unconscious from 3 in the 4th quarter to keep Wah U from having a chance with Moss on the bench with four fouls. Probably time to end this conversation since there are no ODAC teams involved. Enjoyed sharing posts with you.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 13, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
I am ok with ending this but I am curious what you and others think of my earlier question, which does involve ODAC (and USASouth):

If you are Maryville, or Guilford or Lynchburg, do you want to play these teams (Wash U, Thomas More,...) during the season?  Building a credible schedule is important and so is playing really good competition, but losing a bunch is a bummer!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 14, 2016, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 13, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
I am ok with ending this but I am curious what you and others think of my earlier question, which does involve ODAC (and USASouth):

If you are Maryville, or Guilford or Lynchburg, do you want to play these teams (Wash U, Thomas More,...) during the season?  Building a credible schedule is important and so is playing really good competition, but losing a bunch is a bummer!

Always a good idea to schedule strong competition in non-conference play. I think you have to assess what your expectations are for your team as you schedule for the next season and choose appropriately challenging competition that is also geographically viable. Thomas More is reachable for most ODAC schools so if an ODAC coach thinks they have a strong enough team going into next season I don't see why not. To schedule Wash U you'd have to meet somewhere in the middle at a neutral site "classic" unless an ODAC school wants to travel to Saint Louis for the tournament Wash U hosts every year which would get them two games, but not necessarily one against Wash U. They'd either have to be paired against Wash U in the opening round or have the same result (win or loss) as Wash U in the opening round to play them. I guess that's two chances out of three, so maybe worth it.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 14, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
Congrats to the six ODAC players who made one of the three All-South Region teams: http://www.rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2015-16/releases/20160314lnh640
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 28, 2016, 04:58:37 PM
R-MC '16-'17 roster: http://rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2016-17/roster. Six freshmen, two 6'+, to go with eight returning.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on October 28, 2016, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on October 28, 2016, 04:58:37 PM
R-MC '16-'17 roster: http://rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2016-17/roster. Six freshmen, two 6'+, to go with eight returning.

Have seen Ariona Johnson play; she'll be a factor.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on November 17, 2016, 10:32:28 AM
Saw this today. http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/11/thomas-more-womens-basketball-ncaa-sanctions (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/11/thomas-more-womens-basketball-ncaa-sanctions)  The team that beat the Royals in the 2015 tournament  :-\
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on December 01, 2016, 01:43:49 PM
EMU women got waxed by Catholic who is 5-0.  http://emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2016-17/releases/20161130x67uij (http://emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2016-17/releases/20161130x67uij)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 06, 2016, 12:24:44 PM
Guilford (7-0) receiving votes (43 points) in Top 25 voting ... not in the Top 25 yet, but on the periphery and moving up at 27th.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 08, 2016, 11:56:37 AM
Nice article by Brian Lester in ATR about Guilford's Anais Weatherly.  I've seen her play and any kudos she receives are richly deserved.  Hope you'll take the time to check her out when she's at home or on the road.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 15, 2017, 10:29:50 AM
Guilford (13-2) took a 1/2 game lead in the ODAC with last night's win at Randolph.  LC (12-2) and EMU (12-3) right on their heels.  EMU played last night and LC tonight. Regular season ends on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2017, 08:22:34 PM
Ran out of time today to get this out before the show started, but taking care if it now while I have the opportunity (during the show).

The time is now. Teams who want or think they should be playing in March need to get the job done now. This week all conferences, except the UAA, will dive into conference tournaments to determine who will win an automatic bid to the NCAA Championship Tournament. For those who can't win the AQ, then they have to make sure to present the best resume possible to the national committees and that means taking care of business the best they can.

Who is in and who is out? We will figure that out over the course of next week and on next week's Hoopsville Special. In the meantime on tonight's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to a few teams who are looking to position themselves to be in the conversation. We also preview many of the conference races and look at who may already be in trouble when it comes to playing basketball in March.

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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 27, 2017, 10:45:00 PM
The Guilford Quakers (24-3) host the CAC's Marymount Saints (22-5) at 7:30 pm Friday.  The MACC's Albright Lions (22-5) face the USAC's  Piedmont Lions (21-7) at 5 pm.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 06:57:06 PM
It is nearly time to tip up the ball on the NCAA Division III Basketball Tournaments. Who will end up in Grand Rapids and Salem with a chance at a national title?

On Thursday's nights Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh gives his preview of the two tournaments and who may be the surprises, who can pull off an upset, who are the favorites to make a run, and who just might walk away with the walnut and bronze.

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Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 27, 2017, 02:04:58 PM
Hello Ferrum: http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/odac-expands-to-add-ferrum
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on June 27, 2017, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 27, 2017, 02:04:58 PM
Hello Ferrum: http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/odac-expands-to-add-ferrum

So I guess the possibility exists for the women, as you said it does for the men, to go from a 16 game regular season conference schedule to 18 games? Also reduce the tournament from 12 teams to 8?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 28, 2017, 12:34:11 PM
Let's start with the regular season schedule... I am told that the ODAC may be looking at expanding the schedule from 16 to 18... but that has yet to be determined.

As for the tournament, the plan already existed to reduce the tourney from 12 to 10. Now it will be 13 and reduced to 10. However, I am not sure if the reduction is coming for this season or next season. The plan was being put in place before Ferrum was added to conference. Now, you have mentioned you like 8 on the men's board... but understand it is going to 10. Not 8. I believe they still want to give the top teams a bye, per se, and have some on-campus games before the remaining 8 teams head to Salem.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on June 28, 2017, 12:53:03 PM
^^^ Thanks. That all makes sense. Even with 8 teams it would still be possible to have quarterfinals on top 4 seed campuses, then go to Salem for semifinals and finals only. Doesn't really matter to me. Just nice to understand the thinking.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 28, 2017, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on June 28, 2017, 12:53:03 PM
^^^ Thanks. That all makes sense. Even with 8 teams it would still be possible to have quarterfinals on top 4 seed campuses, then go to Salem for semifinals and finals only. Doesn't really matter to me. Just nice to understand the thinking.

Well... I will agree that reducing it to 8 and having the first round outside of Salem is a good idea. I think it would also allow the ODAC to finish the tournaments on Saturday instead of being the last ones on Sunday. There has been a lot of talk about how Sunday tournaments in basketball (and final days in other sports) greatly challenge the selections and bracketing for the NCAA tournament (keep in mind, the selection committees are doing the work while the final games are taking place; the regional committees make their final vote in the morning and have contingency plans based on outcomes).

Personally, I'd like to see the NCAA (Division III members) restrict the Sunday games to give the committee a better situation to do their work. Thus the ODAC consider going to just semifinals and whatnot in Salem. I understand the counter argument, especially from some of those in the ODAC, but I also think it has hurt their teams in the long run. Not many others have to play three games in three or four days before entering the tournament (not counting those who play on campus prior and make a run, i.e. Randolph and others in the last few years) and I feel from results in the last ten or more years that the ODAC teams are gassed by the time they start playing in the NCAA tournament greatly reducing their ability to get back to Salem. It is a showcase, it is unique, I have been there, and I get it. However, I wouldn't be sorry to see a change. This is a step in that direction, but clearly they conference isn't ready to pull the plug on 16 teams being in Salem and playing in a four-day tournament.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2017, 11:01:23 PM
Two ODAC teams beat two ranked CAC teams tonight: Randolph-Macon 78-73 over #14 Marymount and Washington & Lee 60-55 over #24 Mary Washington. On the flip side, #2 Christopher Newport thumps Bridgewater 63-36 and Salisbury beats Virginia Wesleyan 61-48.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2017, 10:37:44 AM
I saw a part of the Shenandoah at Goucher game last night... hard to gauge the Hornets when playing the Gophers, but I like parts of what they have there. Also nice to quickly chat with Coach Smeltzer-Kraft who came up and introduced herself after the game. Shenandoah has some pieces I think will work for them, but may be a bit undersized for the ODAC. However, they will make it challenging for sure.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 16, 2017, 11:53:52 AM
^^^Thanks for sharing that. I'm very surprised R-MC beat Marymount, who is clearly not a top 25 team. R-MC only has ten players on the roster, from what I could see on the computer screen it looked like only nine were in uniform last night and only eight played. Several good underclassmen from last season are not playjng this season. If they hadn't been able to get a big enough lead they would have lost in the 4th quarter as they were clearly tired and making the kinds of mistakes teams make when running out of gas. Kelly Williams is a good player -- played all 40 minutes last night and managed to stay out of foul trouble. If she has to go to the bench for more than a few minutes there's no way R-MC can compete with most teams. I doubt they will continue to win like that the next 24 games. They'll win some more, for sure, but how many???
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 17, 2017, 08:36:55 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 16, 2017, 11:53:52 AM
^^^Thanks for sharing that. I'm very surprised R-MC beat Marymount, who is clearly not a top 25 team. R-MC only has ten players on the roster, from what I could see on the computer screen it looked like only nine were in uniform last night and only eight played. Several good underclassmen from last season are not playjng this season. If they hadn't been able to get a big enough lead they would have lost in the 4th quarter as they were clearly tired and making the kinds of mistakes teams make when running out of gas. Kelly Williams is a good player -- played all 40 minutes last night and managed to stay out of foul trouble. If she has to go to the bench for more than a few minutes there's no way R-MC can compete with most teams. I doubt they will continue to win like that the next 24 games. They'll win some more, for sure, but how many???

R-MC plays Juniata tonight; Juniata has a frosh 6-4 post player of above-average ability(Gracie Stauffer); should be a good test for both players to go against each other.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2017, 09:55:00 AM
^^^That should be interesting when they are both on the court. I see that Stauffer played 16 minutes (didn't start) against Dickinson on Wednesday -- 4 points, 9 boards. Unfortunately I won't be watching as I will be at local games here in Saint Louis.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2018, 03:12:38 PM
There is a first time for everything. Right?

On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a number of programs who have never been on the show. All of them are in conference races and yearning to position themselves well for conference tournaments. Not sure any of them were expected to be in this position.

It seems to be a theme that's pretty common of late.

At the same time, one coach has been so consistent that winning number 600 almost seemed like a forgone conclusion, but a player she has on the team now may be one of the best no one is talking about.

And what to make, again, with the men's Top 25? And who will be the last women's team(s) to stay undefeated this season? Ryan Scott joins Dave to chat in the Top 25 Double-take segment.

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- James Mooney, Mount Saint Vincent men's coach
- Carroll LaHaye, Randolph-Macon women's coach
- Lynn Hersay, Smith women's coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com columnist (Top 25 Double-take)

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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 01, 2018, 09:05:01 AM
Nice article on R-MC's Williams in Around the South...it mentioned that she hates practice...funny how sometimes those players are real "gamers", as she seems to be.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 03, 2018, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 01, 2018, 09:05:01 AM
Nice article on R-MC's Williams in Around the South...it mentioned that she hates practice...funny how sometimes those players are real "gamers", as she seems to be.
I hadn't seen that. Thanks and +1.

Here's the link in case anyone else checks this board and hasn't seen the article. http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2017-18/not-trying-to-dominate
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
Women's first regional rankings of the season are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 03:11:10 PM
New women's regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2018, 05:37:09 PM
The final week of the 2017-18 season is upon us. In a week's time, the topic will be who has punched their tickets to the NCAA tournaments and who is hoping to get selected. This week... we don't know many of the answers and some questions have yet to be considered.

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- Jon Prevo, No. 24 Rose-Hulman women's coach
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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 03:03:49 PM
The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 25, 2018, 06:36:42 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 16, 2017, 11:53:52 AM
^^^Thanks for sharing that. I'm very surprised R-MC beat Marymount, who is clearly not a top 25 team. R-MC only has ten players on the roster, from what I could see on the computer screen it looked like only nine were in uniform last night and only eight played. Several good underclassmen from last season are not playjng this season. If they hadn't been able to get a big enough lead they would have lost in the 4th quarter as they were clearly tired and making the kinds of mistakes teams make when running out of gas. Kelly Williams is a good player -- played all 40 minutes last night and managed to stay out of foul trouble. If she has to go to the bench for more than a few minutes there's no way R-MC can compete with most teams. I doubt they will continue to win like that the next 24 games. They'll win some more, for sure, but how many???

Well, I was sure wrong about that. Congrats to R-MC on the ODAC championship. Great coaching job by Coach LaHaye. The Jackets were playing so much better at the end of the season than at the beginning.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 26, 2018, 02:55:32 PM
Randolph-Macon hosting!! 

Emory and Henry gets a bid and travels to Messiah!

Go Jackets! and Wasps!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on April 05, 2018, 08:41:24 AM
Megan Silva Schultz, former Randolph Macon guard and National Player and Athlete of the year in 2006, is being inducted into the Virginia Sports Hall of Fame this Saturday, April 7th!!!  She is only the second former NCAA Division III athlete EVER to be selected to the Virginia Sports Hall of Fame.
http://www.rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/Silva_Schultz_State_HOF (http://www.rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/Silva_Schultz_State_HOF)

This is a huge honor to go along with the others she achieved.  She is part of a pretty impressive inductee class including a number of professional athletes as well as former VT football coach Frank Beamer.  Read more about the inductees here: https://vasportshof.com/inductees/ (https://vasportshof.com/inductees/)

Congratulations Megan!!!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on April 05, 2018, 09:24:54 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on April 05, 2018, 08:41:24 AM
Megan Silva Schultz, former Randolph Macon guard and National Player and Athlete of the year in 2006, is being inducted into the Virginia Sports Hall of Fame this Saturday, April 7th!!!  She is only the second former NCAA Division III athlete EVER to be selected to the Virginia Sports Hall of Fame.
http://www.rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/Silva_Schultz_State_HOF (http://www.rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/Silva_Schultz_State_HOF)

This is a huge honor to go along with the others she achieved.  She is part of a pretty impressive inductee class including a number of professional athletes as well as former VT football coach Frank Beamer.  Read more about the inductees here: https://vasportshof.com/inductees/ (https://vasportshof.com/inductees/)

Congratulations Megan!!!

Saw Megan play 2 games in the 2005 Final 4 - very impressive! Also, my son went to VA Tech when Beamer got them to their 1st postseason bowl - Poulon Weed Eater in Shreveport; a big ascent in prestige ever since.
Title: EMU Names New WBB Coach
Post by: flightless bird fan on August 14, 2018, 01:47:09 PM
Most of you know that successful EMU WBB Coach Kevin Griffin left EMU and coaching to go into the ministry. His replacement has been named for the Lady Royals.  https://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/20180814k9fmu6 (https://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2017-18/releases/20180814k9fmu6)  Jenny Logan, former BC player and current Hollins coach.  She will get a team that returns a lot of good players.

Title: Re: EMU Names New WBB Coach
Post by: Jeremybozz on August 15, 2018, 09:58:16 AM
Congrats Jenny. Great hire by EMU.
Title: Re: EMU Names New WBB Coach
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 16, 2018, 09:47:10 PM
This can easily be discussed in the ODAC board. We don't need to start another thread. (I am sure Pat will move it when it has the chance; just wanted to point out we can keep things inside their own conference threads :).)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on September 18, 2018, 04:27:59 PM
Congrats to new Hollins Head Coach Emilee Dunton.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 25, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
R-MC and Kelly Williams getting some pre-season notice on a national level and the Jackets picked to win the ODAC. A much larger roster this season with seven freshman plus the return of Michal Ross who played in 16-17, but not 17-18. That should take some of the pressure off Williams and give opponents more to defend against. Could result in fewer points, rebounds, and minutes for Williams this season. She might appreciate the rest.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on October 31, 2018, 03:20:49 PM
EMU Roster is up here https://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2018-19/roster (https://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2018-19/roster)

What I found about the First Year players

https://checwww.hudl.com/profile/7004211/Constance-Komara (https://checwww.hudl.com/profile/7004211/Constance-Komara)

http://www.hudl.com/profile/10545775/Danielle-Spears (http://www.hudl.com/profile/10545775/Danielle-Spears)

http://www.hudl.com/profile/6891992/Amber-Wooldridge (http://www.hudl.com/profile/6891992/Amber-Wooldridge)

https://www.ncsasports.org/womens-basketball-recruiting/virginia/elkton/east-rockingham-high-school/lexi-dean (https://www.ncsasports.org/womens-basketball-recruiting/virginia/elkton/east-rockingham-high-school/lexi-dean)

https://twitter.com/HHS_BlueStreaks/status/991355054476185600 (https://twitter.com/HHS_BlueStreaks/status/991355054476185600)

http://www.nvdaily.com/sports/local-sports/2018/01/more-experienced-confident-cunningham-leading-way-for-wildcats/ (http://www.nvdaily.com/sports/local-sports/2018/01/more-experienced-confident-cunningham-leading-way-for-wildcats/)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 15, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Saw Emory and Henry dominate a very young Maryville team.  Wasps looked good and poised and aggressive...
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2018, 04:41:02 PM
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The season is a week old. There have been some interest results and certainly some early upsets, but the bulk of games really gets going in earnest now.

On Thursday's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a couple of programs who are getting some national attention, but not everyone may know who they are. One features an All-America selection. The other have plenty of options to give any defense fits.

But not all the news is positive, Dave also breaks down the Fitchburg State incident (https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/11/fitchburg-state-kewan-platt-decks-opponent-ejected-suspended) in their game against Nichols.

Thursday's show also features Karin Harvey, Montclair State women's coach and chair of the National Women's Basketball Committee. Harvey is entering her third year on the national committee, but first as chair. The conversation will encompass what, if any, changes fans and others should expect from the Regional Ranking and national tournament process.

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- Rich Bensman, Ohio Northern men's coach
- Anne Crutchfield, No. 23 Emory & Henry women's coach

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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on November 21, 2018, 09:10:20 AM
Congrats to Randolph Macon Coach Carroll LaHaye for breaking the ODAC all time wins record (men's or women's). Macon defeats Bridgewater 94-87, primarily due to a 24-12 lead after the 1st Quarter. Bridgewater closed the gap to 3 several time but Kelly Williams hit a 3 pointer and a long 2 to extend the gap to 6 and 5 points in such situations. I thought once the 6 foot 3 Williams picked up her 3 rd foul with 5:11 left in the 2nd quarter that things were looking up for the Eagles but it was not to be. Bridgewater has not caught up to Macon yet but we are almost there. Looking forward to the rematch on January 22 in Ashland.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 19, 2018, 09:46:01 AM
R-MC loses to Wartburg by 19 in Las Vegas after leading by a point at halftime. Got outscored 22-8 in the 4th quarter. Kelly Williams only takes seven shots and only makes one. Also got out rebounded 49-32. Wartburg must have some height and been able to deny passes into Williams. Wartburg was a final four team last year.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 19, 2018, 10:40:47 AM
Wartburg does have a lot of height, but I wonder if Kelly was limited by injury or illness. She only played three minutes in the second half and none in the fourth quarter. It's also possible that the coaching staff decided they needed to try something else.

https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2018-19/boxscores/20181218_f1de.xml?view=period4

Randolph-Macon plays Salisbury today at 5 pm so we'll know more about her status then.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 19, 2018, 03:20:20 PM
^^^Hmmm... Definitely unusual for her to play only 20 minutes total, especially with only one foul. Doesn't seem likely she would sit out an entire quarter so the coaching staff could experiment. Hope she's okay. Might have been a closer game had she played the whole way, but I was still expecting Wartburg more likely to win that game.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 19, 2018, 07:40:38 PM
Williams did not play against Salisbury.

https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2018-19/boxscores/20181219_fmmu.xml?view=boxscore

I hope she's okay.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 19, 2018, 09:13:16 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 19, 2018, 07:40:38 PM
Williams did not play against Salisbury.

https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2018-19/boxscores/20181219_fmmu.xml?view=boxscore

I hope she's okay.

Thanks for the update and link.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rmc1982 on January 02, 2019, 06:56:05 PM
Looks like she also didn't play in an 81-77 loss toW &L in Lexington.... What gives?
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 03, 2019, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: rmc1982 on January 02, 2019, 06:56:05 PM
Looks like she also didn't play in an 81-77 loss toW &L in Lexington.... What gives?

W&L announcers said Kelly Williams is out for the season with an injury. Must have happened against Wartburg in Vegas. Jackets will have to learn to play a very different kind of game now. I watched some of today's game. Michael Ross really stepped up. She is quick and athletic and capable of taking over a game. Just needs to do it consistently. As a team I thought the Jackets were slow to get back on defense today. The coaches will get things worked out and the players will adapt to a new way of doing things. They will miss Williams, especially on defense, so will have to defend differently around the hoop.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rmc1982 on January 04, 2019, 10:48:09 AM
I still wonder why there hasnt been any mention of the injury in the press, for example....Yes she will be sorely missed by the jackets!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 04, 2019, 04:52:31 PM
Roanoke Times article that reported on the recent game against W&L says she is out due to an ankle injury.

https://www.roanoke.com/sports/colleges/college-basketball-w-l-women-s-basketball-upsets-no-randolph/article_4af3f5f1-27d4-5a66-9887-ccc054201831.html (https://www.roanoke.com/sports/colleges/college-basketball-w-l-women-s-basketball-upsets-no-randolph/article_4af3f5f1-27d4-5a66-9887-ccc054201831.html)

Didn't say was season ending.   I hope to find out more at the game this Saturday.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: rmc1982 on January 05, 2019, 08:16:51 AM
Quote from: hoopstermom on January 04, 2019, 04:52:31 PM
Roanoke Times article that reported on the recent game against W&L says she is out due to an ankle injury.

https://www.roanoke.com/sports/colleges/college-basketball-w-l-women-s-basketball-upsets-no-randolph/article_4af3f5f1-27d4-5a66-9887-ccc054201831.html (https://www.roanoke.com/sports/colleges/college-basketball-w-l-women-s-basketball-upsets-no-randolph/article_4af3f5f1-27d4-5a66-9887-ccc054201831.html)

Didn't say was season ending.   I hope to find out more at the game this Saturday.
Thanks Hoopstermom! Not much has been said in our RMC family circle about it andI was just wondering.... hope she's better soon!! My daughter played against and had to guard her a few times in HS and she's a BEAST to handle!! Plus a GREAT  young lady!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 05, 2019, 05:03:53 PM
Well, the news was printed in the program brochure today for the game at R-MC against Ferrum - Kelly is out for the remainder of the season.  She apparently blew out her knee in the Wartburg game...just making a routine pivot to change directions, not even under pressure or guarded.

Coach LaHaye obviously trying different combinations of five on the floor to achieve best results. Everyone played today in a 73-41 win over Ferrum. Charlotte Woods got the most playing time with 32 minutes and missed a double, double by one rebound, with 14 points and 9 rebounds. Lauren Lewis and Michal Ross came in off the bench to score 12 and 10 points respectively. Plenty of capable talent on the team, only time will tell how they learn and develop without Williams serving as the anchor.

Will be interesting to see how the team handles the remainder of the season. Still have to face Guilford and VA Wesleyan twice and everyone but Hollins and Lynchburg once... really not even half way through conference games.

Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 12, 2019, 03:31:04 PM
Final in Greensboro:  Guilford 60, Randolph-Macon 53

A big win for the Quakers as they assume sole possession of first in the ODAC.  Guilford was led by Miracle Walters' 24 points.  The game was competitive throughout, but GC took control in the 3rd quarter.  The program mentioned Kelly Williams was out for the year for the Yellow Jackets ... tough break for RMC.  I wish her a full recovery soon.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 15, 2019, 07:45:22 PM
Congratulations to Guilford's Miracle Walters for being named to the Team of the Week.  Her play helped propel the Quakers to wins over both E&H and RMC and sole possession of 1st in the ODAC.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 20, 2019, 05:27:33 PM
Pat, I tried two emails to you, but they were not delivered.  Please check the ODAC icons (there are two) under women's scores.  Both are actually linked to the Ohio Athletic Conference (OAC) scores ... it's been that way since the season started.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2019, 09:24:11 PM
Thanks for the heads-up. Taken care of!
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 21, 2019, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2019, 09:24:11 PM
Thanks for the heads-up. Taken care of!
You're welcome.  Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 02:41:01 PM
First women's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2019, 03:35:11 PM
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Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 11, 2019, 08:52:29 PM
Final in Greensboro:  Guilford 78, William Peace 37

With 15 wins, I expected WPU to be a bit better, but Guilford could have put up a 100.  Coach Flamini substituted liberally and the Quakers scored almost at will.  GC is 19-5 and WPU is 15-10.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 02:55:09 PM
Regional Rankings Week 2 released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:03:06 PM
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 23, 2019, 12:47:31 AM
In case no one noticed, #1 GC and #2 E&H both lost today. Both were regionally ranked -- E&H #2 and GC #9. Gotta wonder now if either of them will get an NCAA tourney bid.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2019, 01:18:41 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 23, 2019, 12:47:31 AM
In case no one noticed, #1 GC and #2 E&H both lost today. Both were regionally ranked -- E&H #2 and GC #9. Gotta wonder now if either of them will get an NCAA tourney bid.

Should have just responded here. I think E&H still gets into the NCAA tournament. Guilford, though, is done.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 23, 2019, 09:59:31 PM
It should be a great final between the #3 seed Washington & Lee Generals and the #8 seed Shenandoah tomorrow.  Shenandoah is the first #8 seed in the history of the ODAC tournament to make it to the title game, while for the Generals, it will be their second title game appearance in program history, and the first under coach Christine Clancy.  Naturally, being a Brandeis alum, I have to root for coach Clancy and the Generals to win the AQ tomorrow.  Let's have a great ODAC title game tomorrow.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on February 23, 2019, 10:11:06 PM
 Saw the last 12 mins of W&L's season opener @ Stevenson; they played well for an opener but never thought they could win the ODAC; likewise for Shenandoah - been following their boxscores all season because I know of a starter and top reserve; they had earned their #8 seed but had increasingly improved the past month or so.
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2019, 05:26:16 PM
Congrats to Shenandoah on winning the AQ from the #8 seed position.  Well done. 
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 26, 2019, 07:35:57 AM
Good luck to Shenandoah in the tournament!!  They earned their spot and will have an advantage if the opposition looks ahead thinking they'll have an easy win.  Shenandoah is peaking at the right time and if they play like they did during the ODACs, they can beat any team.

I can't find the words to describe how disappointed I am that Emory and Henry did not get a bid.  I'm sure the team is greatly upset as well. They were certainly deserving, and quite honestly I feel their ranking in the region should have garnered them inclusion.  As the summary narrative stated when the bracket was released, it's just makes no sense why they would be left out.  If it was because of their early exit from the ODAC tournament, that's an insult (or simple oversight?) regarding the parity and strength of the teams the ODAC. 

I know, I know, I know, tournament selections never end up making everyone happy. I'm over it now, just wanted to put my feelings out there.  I needed to support my conference and our teams like a good fan always does.

Go HORNETS!!



Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 04:55:52 PM
E&H's ranking fell in the final rankings to fifth: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-final
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on November 06, 2019, 11:54:59 AM
EMU Season Preview.

https://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20191106ghvmqb (https://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20191106ghvmqb)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on November 12, 2019, 07:51:52 PM
Southern Virginia 96,Bridgewater 82 Final
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: SWVAFan on November 15, 2019, 09:49:25 AM
Preview for Washington & Lee, Roanoke, Ferrum, and Hollins:

https://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/division-iii-women-s-basketball-previews/article_603429b1-b138-5649-ac71-8d76f48537eb.html (https://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/division-iii-women-s-basketball-previews/article_603429b1-b138-5649-ac71-8d76f48537eb.html)
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on November 26, 2019, 08:44:00 PM
Mary Baldwin 81,Bridgewater 77 OT Final
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 04, 2019, 09:05:46 PM
 Bridgewater 77,Va. Wesleyan 73 Final
Title: Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 07, 2019, 08:32:12 PM
Bridgewater upsets #26 Guilford 68-62 for the 1,000th win in program history.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:34:06 PM
Women's first Regional Rankings released.

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:07:53 PM
The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2020, 02:22:21 PM
Women's third regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 11, 2020, 06:11:06 AM
Hello all you ODAC supporters, here's an opportunity to show how strong we are. Kelly Williams of Randolph-Macon College is one of five nominees to possibly earn a position on the Women's Basketball Coaches Association All-Star Team.  BUT she needs YOUR help.  The final two slots for the team are decided by fan votes and she needs your vote.  If she's selected, she will get to play in an All-Star game preceding the NCAA DIII women's basketball national championship game. Don't we ALL want an ODAC rep on this team?!!

Cast your vote for Kelly ....cast many votes as you can vote more than once.  Link to the ballot is provided in the article below. Thanks and GO ODAC!!

https://rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200310g5ukid (https://rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200310g5ukid)
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 26, 2020, 07:19:41 AM
Coach Carroll LaHaye announces her retirement.  https://rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200325sk3rc4 (https://rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200325sk3rc4)

Congratulations on an amazing career. 
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 29, 2020, 09:58:35 AM
Richmond Times-Dispatch article on Coach LaHaye: https://www.richmond.com/sports/woody-carroll-lahaye-s-impact-in-ashland-stretches-far-beyond/article_68bc1d5c-776d-5e94-bb0a-fe9afcff8658.html
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on April 27, 2020, 05:47:21 PM
New coach at R-MC: https://www.rmcathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2019-20/releases/20200427la7g3r?fbclid=IwAR3SolEx6FFf31rWiRRQHj41aclp3Vp222haNPCqwmHueEeKZFHdGsth4aI
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 12, 2020, 07:01:26 PM
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Just days before the start of the 2019-20 season, Glenn Robinson announced he was retiring from coaching. He was the first domino to fall. Since then, more than 4,000-wins have been taken out of the active record books thanks to the retirements of a number of the division's and sport's best coaches.

In what is the first of a two-part May Podcast, Dave chats with some of those who announced their retirements since the season ended. What drove them to the decision to walk away? What will they remember about their careers (many at a single institution)? And will they still be part of the game?

Guests include:
- Dave Hixon, Amherst men's coach (42 seasons, 826 wins)
- Ken DeWeese, Mary Hardin-Baylor men's coach (21 seasons, 400 wins)
- Carol LaHaye, Randolph-Macon women's coach (38 season, 647 wins)
- Grey Giovanine, Augustana men's coach (21 seasons, 433 wins)

Dave also has a brief idea of what is being discussed when it comes to the coronavirus and the challenges institutions face both on campus and with athletics. Plus, the Hoopsville Notebook has updates on moving the three-point line, Regional Realignment/Expansion, and even the Wild Williams World of Sports.

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Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on May 13, 2020, 01:10:13 PM
^^^ Just listened to the interview with R-MC's recently retired coach Carroll LaHaye. Great job, Dave.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 15, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
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With the number of significant retirements on the men's side of Division III basketball, there is plenty to talk about in the month of May. Thus, we needed a "Part 2" this month.

On this "Hoopsville Podcast: May Edition (Part 2)", we talk about what is arguably one of the most significant retirement classes of coaches in the history of Division III - especially on the men's side of things.

Pat Coleman, Ryan Scott, and Bob Quillman join Dave McHugh to chat about those who retired, the number of wins and the high-level of success they had, and even if trying to have a Mt. Rushmore of DIII coaching who might be considered (some coaches you may have forgotten about are mentioned).

Plus - if not for the number of significant retirements, the biggest news in Division III off-season so far would likely be Eric Bridgeland picking up and moving to Southern California. Bridgeland joins Dave to talk about his Whitman program, the success, and the decision to start anew at Redlands and the SCIAC.

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Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2020, 12:02:08 AM
FYI...

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/virginia-wesleyan-player-expelled-13-others-banned-from-campus-housing-after-off-campus-gathering/

Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:45:11 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on November 01, 2021, 11:22:40 AM
Time for the new season to start.  Here is EMU's roster.  https://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2021-22/roster (https://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2021-22/roster) First game is the 7th at Apprentice.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on December 27, 2021, 01:13:59 PM
Tweet sent from Emory Athletics at 11:58 AM Eastern Monday, December 27, 2021--

This Wednesday's Washington & Lee women's basketball game at Emory has been cancelled and will not be made up due to COVID-19 issues.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 17, 2022, 04:23:27 PM
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Suddenly we are midway through January and in just six weeks the conversation will be about who is in or out of the NCAA Tournaments. Conference schedules intensify as teams try and position themselves for conference tournaments.

All this while COVID still impacts games and changes conference rules or allowances for postseason tournaments.

On Monday's edition of Hoopsville, we talk to a few more teams still flying a bit under the radar along with one who is just hoping to survive the conference schedule in the best shape as possible.
Plus, we react to the latest Top 25 men's poll in the Double-Take with Ryan Scott,D3hoops.com, and Bob Quillman, IWUHoops.com. And we preview not only the upcoming NCAA Convention but our special on the topic.

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- Don Friday, PSU-Harrisburg men's coach
- Andy Yosinoff, Emmanuel women's coach
- Ron Rose, No. 4 Illinois Wesleyan men's coach
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Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 17, 2022, 07:33:19 PM
Dave McHugh got the coach's last name right on the tweet, but not on the D3boards-- but he did get it right on the Hoopsville broadcast

Randolph is coached by Steve Lanpher, who formerly coached the Norwich Cadets in the GNAC from 2002 to 2006.

Looking forward to Wednesday's game between Randolph and Washington & Lee.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 19, 2022, 11:28:01 PM
Final earlier tonight--

Washington & Lee 63, Randolph 48

Washington & Lee improves to 9-3, 6-0 in ODAC

Randolph drops to 11-3, 6-2 in ODAC

At least W & L archives their games, as I dozed off and had to watch the game on demand after it ended.  However, I did watch it "live on tape" without checking stats before the game ended.

Congrats to Coach Clancy and W & L on their program best 6-0 ODAC start tonight.  Also congrats to Jordan Diehl on moving up the W & L all-time rebound list.  (Now 9th best rebounder all-time in W & L women's basketball history).



The key to the game was that even though W & L got a slow start in the first quarter against Randolph's 2-3 zone defense, as the Wildcats outscored W & L 19-10 in the first quarter, the Generals were able to figure it out from the second quarter onward.  Once W & L got going, Randolph was not able to adjust offensively or defensively to effectively counter W & L's runs.  In particular, W & L entered the third quarter down by 1 point and outscored Randolph 22-8 in that period to take the lead for good.

Neither team shot well from 3 pt range tonight-- W & L shot 5 of 26 from beyond the arc (19.2%), while Randolph shot 1 of 9 from 3 pt land (11.1%).

However, even though W & L committed 3 more turnovers for the game than Randolph, W & L won the points off turnovers category 18-10.

W & L outrebounded Randolph 53-40, 20-17 on the offensive glass; and won the second chance points category by 1 point, 15-14

W & L won the points in the paint category, 38-26.

W & L was led by Megan Horn, with 15 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, and 1 blocked shot.

2 W & L players had 8 rebounds each (Kathryn Vandiver and Emma Robertson).

Randolph was led by Cierra Cook with 16 points

Teniyah Crenshaw-Patterson scored 15 points for the WildCats tonight, while Kylie Stark scored 7 points and made 4 assists.

Simone Brown pulled down 8 rebounds to lead Randolph in that category this evening.

Andrew Arnold on PxP, with Jack Hunter on color commentary tonight for the Generals.

Game recap:  generalssports.com/news/2022/1/19/womens-basketball-w-l-erases-early-deficit-defeats-randolph-by-15-points.aspx (http://generalssports.com/news/2022/1/19/womens-basketball-w-l-erases-early-deficit-defeats-randolph-by-15-points.aspx)

(On another note, I get it if I am being smited for pointing out the misspelling of the Randolph women's basketball coach's last name a post or two earlier-- the post made me sound like a "wise guy" and I get it, however, this system of smiting does not let me know what I am being smited for-- nor did it get improved over the many years.  That is why I don't use it too often.   8-)).

Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2022, 07:59:55 PM
Halftime at Bridgewater, VA--

Wash & Lee 39, Bridgewater 21

This is a make up game-- Game was originally scheduled to be played on Monday, January 3, 2022, but got postponed twice due to COVID-19 protocols.  The original make up date was supposed to be on Monday, January 17, but that got rescheduled to today.

Bridgewater came into today at 6-6, 3-2 in the ODAC. 

Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 20, 2022, 08:54:28 PM
Final in Bridgewater, VA--

Wash & Lee 69, Bridgewater 60

W & L improves to 10-3, 7-0 in the ODAC-- first place tie with Randolph-Macon

Bridgewater drops to 6-7, 3-3 in the ODAC

W & L led by much as 21 points with 7:50 left in the 3rd quarter.

Next up on Saturday, Jan. 22 for the ODAC co-leaders

1.)  Hollins at Washington & Lee
2.)  Randolph-Macon at Randolph

The 2 ODAC co-leaders are scheduled to play each other on Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at Randolph-Macon in their only regularly scheduled meeting with each other before the ODAC tournament.

Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2022, 07:36:17 PM
Halftime at Crenshaw Gymnasium in Ashland, Virginia--

Washington & Lee 36, Randolph-Macon 24

Live stats from Randolph-Macon not working, but the livestream of the game is working.

Washington & Lee, coached by Christine Clancy, comes into the contest at 11-3, 8-0 in ODAC

Randolph-Macon, coached by Lindsey Burke, comes into the contest at 10-3, 8-0 in ODAC.

These two teams, along with Roanoke (currently at 12-2, 7-0 in ODAC), are currently battling for the #1 seed in the ODAC tournament.

This is the only scheduled meeting between Washington & Lee and Randolph-Macon prior to the ODAC tournament.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2022, 07:45:59 PM
Live stats from Randolph-Macon are now working.

Leading scorers for Washington & Lee--

Hanna Malik-- 12 points

Ana Dorta-- 8 Pts

Lauren Achter-- 7 points

Jordan Diehl leading the Generals with 6 rebounds

Kathryn VanDiver leading W & L with 3 assists

Leading scorers for Randolph-Macon

Juliana Park-- 9 pts

Becca Anthony-- 5 pts

Cheridan Hatfield leading the Yellow Jackets with 4 rebounds

Anthony and Hatfield have 2 assists each for R-MC.

Washington & Lee shooting 13 of 31 from the field (41.9%), 4 of 11 from 3 pt land (36.4%), and 6 of 7 from the FT line (85.7%)

Randolph-Macon shooting 10 of 36 from the field (27.8%), and 4 of 14 from 3 pt land (28.6%)

W & L outrebounding R-MC 24-20, but R-MC outrebounding W & L 5-3 on the offensive glass

W & L made 6 assists and committed 5 turnovers

R-MC made 5 assists and committed 4 turnovers

Steals:  W & L 3, R-MC 2

Points off turnovers:  W & L leading 6-4

Points in the paint:  W & L leading 18-10

Second chance points:  Even at 2 a piece

Bench points:  W & L leading 15-2

Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2022, 08:16:52 PM
4th quarter in Ashland, Virginia

Washington & Lee 49, Randolph-Macon 43  4:54 left in regulation-- under 5 media timeout.

8:21 PM Eastern update-- Washington & Lee 52, Randolph-Macon 47  1:08 left in regulation

Catherine Kagey made 2 FT for R-MC out of the timeout.  It is now W & L up 52-49 with 55.7 seconds left.

Successful defensive stop by R-MC.  R-MC has the ball down 3 with 23.5 seconds left.

Jump ball, possession R-MC.  Still R-MC ball with 5.2 seconds left.

Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on January 26, 2022, 08:47:05 PM
Final score from Crenshaw Gym in Ashland, Virginia--

Washington & Lee 52, Randolph-Macon 49

Becca Anthony's 3 point attempt to tie the game at the buzzer hit the rim and went out.

Washington & Lee improves to 12-3, 9-0 in the ODAC, still with at least a 1/2 game lead over Roanoke.

Randolph-Macon drops to 10-4, 8-1 in the ODAC.

Leading scorers for Washington & Lee

Hanna Malik-- 14 pts

Kate Groniger and Ana Dorta with 8 points a piece

Jordan Diehl led the Generals with 11 rebounds

Kathryn Vandiver led W & L with 5 assists

Leading scorers for Randolph-Macon

Aimee DeBell with 12 points

Juliana Park with 11 points

Catherine Kagey with 10 points and 9 rebounds

Becca Anthony and Cheridan Hatfield with 7 points and 3 assists a piece

Washington & Lee shot 19 of 59 from the field (32.2%), 6 of 22 from behind the arc (27.3%), and 8 of 11 from the charity stripe (72.7%)

Randolph-Macon shot 19 of 69 from the field (27.5%), 4 of 21 from 3 point land (19%), and 7 of 10 from the charity stripe (70%)

Randolph-Macon outrebounded W & L 49-42, 13-5 on the offensive glass

Washington & Lee made 12 assists and committed 12 turnovers-- 5 of which were as a result of Randolph-Macon steals

Randolph-Macon made 10 assists and committed 7 turnovers-- 5 of which were as a result of W & L steals

Washington & Lee blocked 6 R-MC shots, while R-MC blocked 3 W & L shots.

Points off turnovers-- Randolph-Macon won that category, 16-6

Points in the paint-- Washington & Lee won that category, 26-22

Second chance points-- Randolph-Macon won that category, 8-2

Bench points-- Washington & Lee won that category, 19-2

Roanoke up by 8 at Ferrum with 14 seconds left, so Roanoke is about to go to improve to 13-2, 8-0 in the ODAC, still 1/2 game behind Washington & Lee but tied for first place on w/l pct.  (Final:  Roanoke won at Ferrum this evening, 73-65).

Roanoke will play at Randolph-Macon on Friday, February 4 in their only scheduled meeting between the two teams before the ODAC tournament, and will host Washington & Lee on Monday, February 7 in the first of 2 scheduled meetings between the two clubs before the ODAC tournament.

Next scheduled games on Saturday, January 29, 2022

1.)  Bridgewater (VA) at Roanoke
2.)  Virginia Wesleyan at Washington & Lee-- Senior Day
3.)  Randolph-Macon at Ferrum
Title: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on January 30, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
Randolph-Macon has a brutal schedule for February with three make up games squeezed in between originally scheduled ones and then they go and ADD another game with Mary Washington College.  They will play 8 games in 17 days.  Mary Wash was added to their schedule for 2/2, then they have a make up game with Roanoke on 2/4, at Lynchburg on 2/5,  a make-up game with Hollins on 2/7, Shenandoah on 2/9, a game at Bridgewater on 2/12, then again with BC for a home make-up game on 2/14, at Hollins again on 2/17, ending with Guilford on 2/19.  Then, the ODAC play in games begins on 2/22!!!  Hopefully they will be able to to stay within the top 6 so the won't have to play until the 25th.

I haven't looked at other ODAC team schedules as closely.  Are other teams backed up with games like this?

Well, I checked now. Looks like Hollins is in the worst shape with 10 more games to play, Roanoke and Shenandoah both have 9 remaining.  Along with R-MC, Bridgewater, Lynchburg and W&L have 8 to go; Randolph and Guilford have 7 games remaining; and VWU and Ferrum each have 6.  Macon, Hollins and Shenandoah each have one non-conference game remaining in their respective counts. 

So I guess will be a hectic February for everyone.  I just don't remember it being so busy leading up to the conference championships.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 30, 2022, 01:12:49 PM

8 games in 17 days is going to end up being a pretty common schedule this season.  The Whitman women did seven games in 11 days recently.

https://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2021-22/division-iii-basketball-teams-cramming-them-in
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 02, 2022, 09:11:28 PM
ODAC race for the #1 seed update--

The fourth and fifth place teams in the ODAC women's basketball standings both win at home vs the top 2 teams in the ODAC tonight.   Roanoke, Washington & Lee, and Randolph-Macon now have 1 loss in ODAC play as a result.

(Randolph-Macon also lost in non-conference play to Mary Washington by 3 points tonight.)

Finals from Wednesday, February 2 games--

Randolph 70, Washington & Lee 63-- Final from Giles Gymnasium in Lynchburg, VA (Randolph College)

Randolph improves to 14-5, 9-4 in the ODAC

Washington & Lee drops to 14-4, 11-1 in the ODAC

Shenandoah 57, Roanoke 54-- Final from Winchester, Virginia

Shenandoah improves to 13-4, 8-4 in the ODAC

Roanoke drops to 15-3, 10-1 in the ODAC

Summaries of games:

1.)  Randolph won the first quarter, 19-16, and led at halftime, 33-30.  Score at the end of 3 quarters was a 1 point lead in favor of the Generals, 48-47, but the WildCats had a strong fourth quarter, outscoring the Generals in that period 23-15 to get the win.

2.)  The Shenandoah Hornets won both the first quarter, 15-13, and the second quarter, 10-6, to take a halftime lead of 25-19.  Roanoke outscored Shenandoah in the third quarter, 24-19, to cut the Hornets lead to 1 point at 44-43 at the end of 3 quarters.  Shenandoah held on down the stretch and won the fourth quarter, 13-11, to take the 57-54 win.

Some final stats from the Randolph-- Washington & Lee game:

Leading scorers for Randolph--

Teniyah Crenshaw-Paterson with a game high 23 points and 6 rebounds

Kylie Stark with 15 points and 6 rebounds

Cierra Cook with 13 points

Yanessa Cabrera with 5 points and 4 assists

Leading scorers for Washington & Lee--

Hanna Malik with 18 points

Kate Groniger, Grace O'Connor, and Jordan Diehl with 10 points a piece

Jordan Diehl lead W&L with 10 rebounds

Megan Horn led W&L with 5 assists.

Randolph shot 28-60 from the field (46.7%), 3-8 from 3 pt land (37.5%), and 11-15 from the charity stripe (73.3%)

W&L shot 23-61 from the field (37.7%), 9-28 from 3 pt land (32.1%), and 8-10 from the charity stripe (80%).

W&L outrebounded Randolph, 38-35, 16-12 on the offensive glass

Randolph made 13 assists and committed 12 turnovers-- 5 of which were as a result of W&L steals

W&L made 20 assists and committed 16 turnovers-- 10 of which were as a result of Randolph steals

Points off turnovers-- Randolph won that category, 15-10

Points in the paint-- Randolph won that category, 36-28

Second chance points-- Randolph won that category, 14-7

Bench points-- Randolph won that category, 10-8

W&L blocked 5 Randolph shots-- Randolph blocked 3 W&L shots.

Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 02, 2022, 09:27:00 PM
Final stats from the Shenandoah-- Roanoke game

Leading scorers for Shenandoah--

Olivia Weinel with 13 points

Terese Greene and Sarah Sondrol with 10 points a piece

Sierra St. Cyr led Shenandoah with 6 rebounds

Madisen Kimble led Shenandoah with 5 assists

Leading scorers for Roanoke--

Kristina Harrel with a game high 16 points

Ayanna Scarborough with 13 points and 7 rebounds

Whitney Hopson and Renee Alquiza led Roanoke with 3 assists a piece

Shenandoah shot 21-51 from the field (41.2%), 2-15 from 3 pt land (13.3%), and 13-17 from the charity stripe (76.5%)

Roanoke shot 19-50 from the field (38%), 3-14 from 3 pt land (21.4%), and 13-19 from the charity stripe (68.4%)

Roanoke outrebounded Shenandoah 34-29, 11-8 on the offensive glass

Shenandoah made 11 assists and committed 18 turnovers-- 7 of which were as a result of Roanoke steals

Roanoke made 10 assists and committed 23 turnovers-- 11 of which were as a result of Shenandoah steals

Points off turnovers-- Roanoke won that category, 16-15

Points in the paint-- Roanoke won that category, 32-26

Second chance points-- Roanoke won that category, 3-2

Bench points-- Roanoke won that category, 18-15
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2022, 03:36:37 PM
Congratulations to Washington & Lee on getting the #1 seed in the ODAC tournament this year, and on Coach Christine Clancy (Brandeis '06-- women's basketball) being named ODAC Coach of the Year.

Nothing against Randolph, Roanoke, and Randolph-Macon (also coached by people that I am familiar with) (as well as the other ODAC teams in the tournament), but hopefully this is the weekend that Coach Clancy and Washington & Lee can finally win the ODAC Championship and the AQ after falling short a few years ago in the title game.

So far, Washington & Lee won today over Guilford, and they will play tomorrow night at 6 PM Eastern in semifinal #1 in Salem, VA against the winner of Shenandoah vs Randolph-- which is going on right now.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2022, 03:44:29 PM
Halftime in quarterfinal match #2-- Shenandoah leading over Randolph, 34-31.  Winner plays Washington & Lee tomorrow evening in Semifinal #1.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 25, 2022, 05:16:28 PM
Washington & Lee will play Shenandoah at 6 PM Eastern tomorrow, as the Hornets ended Randolph's season with a 63-57 win to advance to the ODAC semifinals.

Coach Steve Lanpher's Randolph WildCats finish the season at 16-7, 12-5 in ODAC play.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 27, 2022, 04:36:52 AM
Well, I would have liked to see Washington & Lee play Randolph-Macon for the AQ today, but I get Shenandoah vs Randolph-Macon instead.

No worries.   I would like to think that this year's ODAC AQ will also unofficially be "the UAA's 2nd team by proxy"-- as no Pool C bid will be awarded to the UAA in women's hoop this year-- most likely.

2 former Rochester assistant coaches pit their teams against each other in this "chess match" today, as Jay Murry of Wash U would like to say, in Coach Melissa (Kraft) Smeltzer-Kraft and Coach Lindsey Burke.

Both teams would be great honorary "UAA proxy" teams in this year's NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Tournament, but as Lindsey Burke also worked for Aaron Roussell in the past, I am going to say good luck to Randolph-Macon and hope that they beat Shenandoah today for the AQ.
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 28, 2022, 09:03:26 AM
Congratulations to Shenandoah on their win in the ODAC finals.  It was tough shooting day for both teams, but free throws sealed the win for them. 

I'm sure hoping that Washington and Lee gets a bid to the dance as well.

Best of luck in the final NCAA playoffs. 



Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on February 28, 2022, 03:55:56 PM
W&L is in!!!  They are very deserving. 

I hope the player who was injured late in their semi-final game is doing well. 

Great for the ODAC to have two teams get to the final tournament. 

Go Generals!!  Go Hornets!!

Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: flightless bird fan on October 18, 2022, 01:23:25 PM
EMU Roster is up.  https://www.emuroyals.com/sports/wbkb/2022-23/roster

Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on March 08, 2024, 09:55:34 PM
Awesome win for the W&L Generals tonight against previously unbeaten and 3rd ranked Rhode Island College.  Mary Schleusner continues to set records including a playoff record effort tonight with 33 rebounds along with 34 points.  Congratulations!!  Way to represent your school and the ODAC!!
Title: Re: WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 08, 2024, 10:09:07 PM

Schleusner set the single game record (for the second time in this tournament) and the overall tournament record for rebounds tonight.  It took her just three games to break a record set over six.