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Title: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 19, 2013, 10:30:49 AM
We are probably deep enough into the season where we can start to look at how the conference races are shaping up for a birth in the Mid-East Region (or Great Lakes Region?).  According to a post earlier this year, the conferences involved are:

Allegheny Moutain Collegiate Conference (new addition)
Heartland Collegiate Conference
Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
North Coast Conference
Ohio Athletic Conference
Presidents Athletic Conference


Looking around these conferences in the region...

The president's conference is a hot mess.  Canellations have led to a disparity in the number of games played.  W&J is 12-5 and is in fourth place right now.  St. Vincent is 8-2 and leads the conference.  Thiel and Thomas More are tied at 10-4.  Big difference between playing 17 games and 10 games, though. 

The MIAA is a more interesting race this season.  Either the conference is better or Adrian has taken a step backwards or both.  In the past few years, Adrian won the conference title by very large margins.  This year they are in tight race with Hope, both of whom are 11-5.  Olivet (8-6), Trine and Calvin (9-7) are the next two and Albion is hanging around at 8-8.  If I'm not mistaken they recently began using a tournament.

The HCAC is being led by Manchester at 13-2.  There ar 7 teams all clustered within two games of each other battling out for the 3 remaining slots in the tournament. 

The NCAC with its two division format looks like this.  In the east Wooster leads Allegheny by a game and Oberlin is three games back.  In the west, Dension leads Depauw by a game and the rest of the pack has each played four fewer games than those two. 

The OAC is a 5 team race with Marietta out front.  BW is ineligible.  Marietta, JCU, Mount Union, Otterbein and Heidelberg are battling for the four tournaments spots.  Marietta, JCU and Mount Union look to be in good shape for the conference tournament.  The Cardinals and Heidelberg have work to do. 

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7459.0 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7459.0) Is when I saw where the AMCC was now part of the region. Their champions have come to the mideast regional the past three seasons.  Anyhow....Penn State Beherend and LaRoche each have one league loss, but PSUb has four more league victories.  Pitt Greensburg and Pitt Bradford are in the three and four spots. 

Case Western is the independent school out there having a good year which has a chance to find a spot in the regional. 



Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: OshDude on April 19, 2013, 04:23:00 PM
AMCC brass says the conference is still in the Mid-Atlantic this season.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 19, 2013, 05:25:06 PM
Good to know, thanks!
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 22, 2013, 10:58:26 AM
Through games ending 4/21

MIAA:
1. Hope 13-5
2. Adrian 14-6
3. Trine 11-7
4. Calvin 9-8
5. Olivet 9-9

Still plenty of league matchups left to go.  THis is the closest race for the MIAA in the last few years.

HCAC
1. Manchester 15-3
2. Anderson 12-6
3. Definace 11-7
4. Rose Hulman 9-7
5. Bluffton 9-8

two full weekends of games to be played so the race for those four spots is on.

NCAC
East
1.  Wooster 10-2 (Clinched birth in Tournament)
2.  Allegheny 7-3
3. Oberlin 7-7

West
1. Dennsion 10-6
2. Depauw 7-5
3. A bunch of others at 5-7

Big series for Allegeheny as they play Wooster this weekend. 

President's Athletic Conference
1. Thomas More 12-5
2. W&J 14-6
3. St. Vincent 9-4
4. Thiel 11-6

Still a big disparity in games played.  Things will sort themselves out as the schedule continues. Big game at W&J this weekend as Thomas More travels to Washington PA.

OAC
1.  Marietta 11-3
2.  BW 10-4 (ineligible)
3.  JCU 9-5
4.  Otterbien 8-6
5.  Heidelberg 7-7
     Mount Union 7-7

The series on Saturday between JCU and Heidelberg is HUGE.  Marietta squares off against BW on Saturday.

DOWN THE STRETCH THEY COME!
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Really great stuff!

One addition...I believe Denison has also clinched a berth in the NCAC postseason. Their division slate is complete, and only DePauw has fewer losses.

In the other division, Allegheny is 7-3 but has two makeup games with Kenyon and faces Wooster while Kenyon faces Hiram. So still much to play for there.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2013, 12:56:39 PM
It's getting close to where Case might be a 2 seed in the regional, and theoretically 1 seed depending on how they do in Marietta in a couple of weeks.

Impressive bounceback after the split against Oberlin. Very busy schedule in the next week-plus.

Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on April 22, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
 ;D wow, thanks so much for the Case props...  what an incredible honor it would be to not only make the tourney, but be a top seed.  Coach E and his staff have this team playing really well.  Still a tough sced ahead to get thru.... JCU...washington and jefferson....dennison... BW...marietta....gotta just keep fighting each game.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 22, 2013, 03:24:02 PM
The first regional rankings are due out this week.  I fully expect to see Case in one of the top four spots.  They are having a good run so far this year and their slate of games down the stretch will be a good barometer of where they stand. 

Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2013, 04:02:36 PM
Quote from: jos s on April 22, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
;D wow, thanks so much for the Case props...  what an incredible honor it would be to not only make the tourney, but be a top seed.  Coach E and his staff have this team playing really well.  Still a tough sced ahead to get thru.... JCU...washington and jefferson....dennison... BW...marietta....gotta just keep fighting each game.

There's a pretty good break before Marietta. That will be a big test for both teams, really. Case playing at Marietta and MC going against Case's top arms presumably without their own since they play a league DH the day before.

The rest of April is going to be a bear though. Dropping a game here and there will be no embarrassment at all.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 22, 2013, 04:30:02 PM
That will be an interesting weekend for the Express.  Lowly Wilmington on Friday.  And then a big "in region" matchup with Case on Saturday.  Marietta could have hosting the tournament clinched after this weekend (Not a prediction, depends on what happens between JCU and 'Berg along with the twinbill against BW: sweep plus a JCU loss = host the tournament). Wilmington is all kinds of bad.  If the outcome of the Wilmington series "doesn't matter," (First priority is win the league and host the tournament) do we see Carithers/Herstine/Fulton/Bascom/Knittel against the Quakers, and use Mulvey/Byers/Brock/Finlan against CWRU? 

Love this time of year!
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jskomra10 on April 22, 2013, 09:35:55 PM
Someone give me their idea of the top 10 regional teams at this point before rankings come out tomorrow
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Spence on April 23, 2013, 12:13:59 AM
Quote from: jskomra10 on April 22, 2013, 09:35:55 PM
Someone give me their idea of the top 10 regional teams at this point before rankings come out tomorrow

1. Marietta
2. Case Western
3. Manchester
4. Hope
5. Denison
6. Adrian
7. Wooster
8. B-W
9. W&J
10. John Carroll

My guess is that Wooster will be ranked higher than I have them, and Denison lower.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 23, 2013, 08:45:02 AM
Some Data to consider...

Looking at the Regional Win Pct, and NCAA SOS, and overall SOS rank for these 10 teams, here is what we see (From the link on the d3baseball sight). 

1. Marietta - .783 - .572 - 19th
2.  Case Western - .714 - .552 - 55th
3. Manchester - .792 - .485 - 278th
4.  Hope - .640 - .530 - 112th
5.  Denison - .600 - .515 - 156th
6. Adrian - .714 - .496 - 238th
7. Wooster - .762 - .540 - 79th
8. B-W - .696 - .482 - 281st
9. W & J .667 - .501 - 214th
10. John Carroll - .609 - .512 - 169th

Others in consideration:

Thomas More - .704 - .486 - 261st
Anderson - .609 - .506 - 191st
Allegheny - .654 - .504 - 199th
Heidelberg - .542 - .553 - 52nd


If we use the Boyd's Iterative Strength Rankings (http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html (http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html))

This is what we see. (rank, team, SOS rank)

15. Marietta - 33
17 CWRU - 39
22 Manchester - 189
47 Denison - 44
30 Wooster - 127
128 Adrian - 268
62 B-W - 149
81 JCU - 166
104 W&J 256
122 Hope - 257

123 Allegheny - 227
63 Thomas More - 220
113 Anderson - 92
69 Heidelberg - 48

Massey's computer rankings (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbase&yr=2013&sub=11620 (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbase&yr=2013&sub=11620))

Rating - team- SOS rank

23 Marietta - 42
28 CWRU - 39
27 Manchester - 184
59 Denison 52
30 Wooster - 101
119 Adrian 253
40 B-W 92
92  JCU -162
120 W&J 240
115 Hope 194

134 Allegheny 232
63 Thomas More 223
131 Anderson  76
89 Heidelberg 61

Using this information (since I haven't see all of the teams play, and have to have something to base my thoughts) Here is how I would rank the teams in the Mideast Region.

1.  Marietta
2.  Case Western Reserve
3.  Manchester
4.  Wooster
5.  B-W
6.  Dennison
7.  John Carroll
8.  Heidelberg
9.  Washington & Jefferson
10.  Hope

An argument can be made for Mount Union (if you are also considering Heidelberg), but their SOS numbers are not particularly strong, and Heidelberg dominated them.  I don't think the MIAA is strong enough to warrant two teams for consideration.  The interesting thing is who will be good enough to qualify for a pool C birth if they don't win their conference?  Case is a possibility (particularly if they have success this month against a pretty good slate of teams).  Marietta is a possibility if they don't completely fall apart between now and season's end.  Manchester's SOS numbers are worrisome.  I don't know that the NCAC gets two bids.

Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 23, 2013, 09:57:12 AM
I do not see any way possible for the NCAC to get two bids this year either. With as good as Denison has been they do not quite match up against the better teams in the region. Same goes for Wooster and Depauw.

Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Spence on April 23, 2013, 12:02:36 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on April 23, 2013, 09:57:12 AM
I do not see any way possible for the NCAC to get two bids this year either. With as good as Denison has been they do not quite match up against the better teams in the region. Same goes for Wooster and Depauw.

Without knowing what happens in conference tournaments, it's hard to say. But this seems right to me.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 23, 2013, 12:31:32 PM
Quote from: Spence on April 23, 2013, 12:02:36 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on April 23, 2013, 09:57:12 AM
I do not see any way possible for the NCAC to get two bids this year either. With as good as Denison has been they do not quite match up against the better teams in the region. Same goes for Wooster and Depauw.

Without knowing what happens in conference tournaments, it's hard to say. But this seems right to me.

Yeah even if a dark horse wins the tournament, I find it hard to believe any of the other teams left could then rank high enough in the region to get a C bid.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 23, 2013, 02:00:47 PM
Last year W&J made it in as a pool C team when Westminster pulled the upset in the conference touranment.  I'm not certain that happens in the president's conference either. 

If Marietta is swept by BW and Case, and goes two and out in the OAC tourney, I think their Pool C chances take a signficant set back. 

Machester is an interesting possibility, but their low SOS is a problem. 

My "Suprise" pool C team for this year would be John Carroll.  If they win two from CWRU today (4/23), sweep Heidelberg, beat Wooster, and sweep Northern, they could make a very strong case for a pool C bid, particularly if they are playing in the finals of the OAC tournament. CWRU, Berg, and Wooster will help their NCAA SOS.  and their regional winning percentage would jump to .700.  This is a scenario which would be hard to ignore, IMO.  Assuming they also defeat Hiram, they would be 28-11 going to the OAC Tourney, white hot, and two more wins there puts them at 30+ for the year.  (Even splitting with Case or Berg helps, just not as much).

Lots of baseball on the slate!



Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Spence on April 23, 2013, 02:12:38 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on April 23, 2013, 02:00:47 PM

If Marietta is swept by BW and Case, and goes two and out in the OAC tourney, I think their Pool C chances take a signficant set back. 


Shame on you for even thinking about this. ;)
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 23, 2013, 03:02:06 PM
 :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

Sometimes I try too hard to be objective and not let my fandom cloud realistic opinions.  Thus I spout nonsense. 

I'll refrain!
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Spence on April 23, 2013, 03:20:01 PM
:)

I don't think MC losing 6 of its next 8 region games is too realistic though. I wouldn't have any idea when the last time was that they went on that kind of tailspin up north.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: OC_SID on April 23, 2013, 07:31:15 PM
Will BW even be allowed in the regional rankings since they aren't allowed to compete in the NCAA Tournament?
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Berths.
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2013, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on April 23, 2013, 07:31:15 PM
Will BW even be allowed in the regional rankings since they aren't allowed to compete in the NCAA Tournament?

I believe football ranked them even after the president's decision.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Berths.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 25, 2013, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2013, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: OC_SID on April 23, 2013, 07:31:15 PM
Will BW even be allowed in the regional rankings since they aren't allowed to compete in the NCAA Tournament?

I believe football ranked them even after the president's decision.
What effect could that have on other Mid-East teams chance for a pool C? If they are ranked it will certainly push some teams down in the ranking.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on April 25, 2013, 10:36:19 AM
ranking BW would be great for the players and coaches who have worked hard, and have had a great season. the fact they cannot advance to the playoffs is not the players fault, though they will be punished for the mistakes made, which is not fair.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 25, 2013, 11:01:05 AM
I think a team with a solid Pool C resume will stand on its own merrits with or without BW in the rankings.  On selection day, BW is not an eligible team so they won't be considered.  I'm not so certain the one spot difference in ranking due to BW's possible presence will be a significant factor.   
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 25, 2013, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: jos s on April 25, 2013, 10:36:19 AM
ranking BW would be great for the players and coaches who have worked hard, and have had a great season. the fact they cannot advance to the playoffs is not the players fault, though they will be punished for the mistakes made, which is not fair.

I am not saying they should not be ranked, Just wanted to know the possible results. Coach Harrsion and all his young men have worked very hard to get were they are and deserve all the accolades they get.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 25, 2013, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on April 25, 2013, 11:01:05 AM
I think a team with a solid Pool C resume will stand on its own merrits with or without BW in the rankings.  On selection day, BW is not an eligible team so they won't be considered.  I'm not so certain the one spot difference in ranking due to BW's possible presence will be a significant factor.   

Thanks Etta it is good to know. While the NCAC probably does not have the depth this year to get a pool C. It is good to know that other mideast pool C teams will not be adversely effected.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on April 25, 2013, 11:28:22 AM
when are the regional ranking due out ?  seems like they had been expected last week.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 25, 2013, 01:19:20 PM
Supposed to be out today. 
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: OshDude on April 25, 2013, 03:15:46 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on April 25, 2013, 01:19:20 PM
Supposed to be out today.
They're out.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3baseball/2013/04/25/first-ncaa-regional-rankings-for-2013/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3baseball/2013/04/25/first-ncaa-regional-rankings-for-2013/)
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Spence on April 25, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
Kind of seems like not a lot of time was put into these. MIT 10th is probably the most obvious indicator of that, IMO.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: OshDude on April 25, 2013, 07:49:34 PM
Conflicting info notwithstanding, the AMCC is confirmed to be in the Mideast Region. I stand corrected. Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2013, 11:54:53 PM
And LaRoche celebrates with a home split against Mount Aloysius.

Denison sweeping Heidelberg is a big win for their hopes.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: ADL70 on April 25, 2013, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on April 25, 2013, 07:49:34 PM
Conflicting info notwithstanding, the AMCC is confirmed to be in the Mideast Region. I stand corrected. Sorry for the confusion.

The confusion wasn't yours, certainly not yours alone.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 26, 2013, 08:24:32 AM
So to reprint....

1.  Marietta 18-5, 21-8
2.  Manchseter 19-5, 25-5-1
3.  La Roche 23-8, 23-8
4.  Wooster 16-5, 22-8
5.  Case Western  20-8, 22-9
6.  Thomas More 19-8,22-8
7.  Hope 15-8, 19-10
8.  Adrian 19-8, 20-10
9.  John Carroll  14-9 20-11

Some thoughts on the region rankings for the Mideast.

- Don't know if La Roche's entire confernce (AMCC) is in this region or not, but La Roche is near Pittsburgh, and it makes sense geographically speaking, that they are.

- Now we still can "wonder" about B-W.  Their SOS is really weak.  So perhaps that is a reason they are not on the list.  My guess is they aren't included because they are ineligible.

- PSU Beherend is 20-8 "in region" (.714) but their SOS is 256th on the ranking page.   (Manchester is 284th) So perhaps the AMCC is divided among regions.  I would have thought that would have had them in contention at some point.

- Best chances at a Pool C bid at this point in the season:  Marietta, Manchester, Wooster, and Case. 

- With the regional being played further west (terre haute) there could easily be some cetral teams shipped in, or even some key "eastern teams" from the region shipped to the Mid-Atlantic or New York Regions.  I don't look for St. John Fisher to be shipped into the region this year.  ;D

LOTS of baseball left to make all of this matter.

Key games yesterday...

Denison sweeping Heidelberg.
Marietta defeating Wooster

Key games this weekend:
Marietta vs. BW (a Marietta sweep should clinch the right to host the tournament, and clinch a share of first).
JCU and Heidelberg - For 'Berg a sweep is almost necessary, otherwise they need a lot of help.
Wooster vs. Allegheny - Wooster has a two game lead in their division, Anything worse than a split will damage their pool C resume.
Case vs. W&J (SAT):  Huge for both teams to build their regioal resumes.
Case vs. Denison (SUM): A big in region series for both schools.

Some key games next week and next weekend too, but I'll save those for after the weekend.  Its the best time of the year for college baseball!
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on April 26, 2013, 09:26:15 AM
when did laroche get moved to the mideast ?
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 26, 2013, 10:03:08 AM
La Roche has played in the last two mideast regionals.  By distance, they have been considered an in region opponent for a number of years for most of the OAC schools. 

The AMCC was slated to move to the Mideast region, but there was some confusion about which year.  Origianlly, I thought I read where it was happening this season, but the folks at d3baseball.com thought it was next season.  It is a school near pittsburgh, and is further west than some of the president's athletic conference schools. 
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 26, 2013, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on April 25, 2013, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on April 25, 2013, 11:01:05 AM
I think a team with a solid Pool C resume will stand on its own merrits with or without BW in the rankings.  On selection day, BW is not an eligible team so they won't be considered.  I'm not so certain the one spot difference in ranking due to BW's possible presence will be a significant factor.   

Thanks Etta it is good to know. While the NCAC probably does not have the depth this year to get a pool C. It is good to know that other mideast pool C teams will not be adversely effected.

Maybe I am wrong. Wooster is ranked 4 in the mideast. But is that high enough when comparing nationally? Of course they only have to worry about it if they do not win the NCAC.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 26, 2013, 01:08:59 PM
I would certainly rather be #4 than #9 trying to get one of the Pool C's....

If Marietta, LaRoche and Manchester get Pool A bids, then Wooster is the highest ranked Pool C team left in the region (provided they don't win the tourney).  May be enough, may not.  It depends on way too many factors. The bottom half of the regional rankings are much longer shots, IMO. 

Of course, with Wooster losing to Marietta, playing JCU next week (possible loss), potential losses at Allegehny and two losses in the NCAC tourney could move them from #4 to not ranked quickly.   Nobody is "safe" at this point. 
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 26, 2013, 02:20:49 PM
If the season ended the day the rankings came out, Wooster would be in.

But of course it doesn't, and now losing twice to Marietta while JCU split probably doesn't help.

Wooster is now just 1-3 against regionally ranked teams in the Mideast, and 2-5 against regionally ranked in any region. They still have John Carroll on the schedule which now looks like a very big game.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: OshDude on April 26, 2013, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on April 26, 2013, 10:03:08 AM
La Roche has played in the last two mideast regionals.  By distance, they have been considered an in region opponent for a number of years for most of the OAC schools. 

The AMCC was slated to move to the Mideast region, but there was some confusion about which year.  Origianlly, I thought I read where it was happening this season, but the folks at d3baseball.com thought it was next season.  It is a school near pittsburgh, and is further west than some of the president's athletic conference schools.
The entire AMCC is in the Mideast Region for baseball. Confirmed that yesterday. Then again we thought we had it confirmed the other way.

The 2013 Manual has La Roche in the Mid-Atlantic. Earlier this season an AMCC official said it was in the M-A. Not the easiest answer to lock in as it turned out.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 26, 2013, 04:40:19 PM
Pretty ridiculous when the conference and the NCAA don't have it right.

Seems a bit like cat herding.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 29, 2013, 09:09:32 AM
A Look arround the region....

MIAA

Adrian 18-6 (Region Rank 8)
Hope 17-7 (Region Rank 9)
Trine 14-8
Calvin 14-9

Calvin hasa 4.5 game lead on the next team in the standings.  There is a weekend series for each team coming up which will decide the seeding for the tournament.  Hope did win 3 of 4 from Adrian so they would win a "tie breaker for top seed if it ends up that way.  It would appear likely the MIAA tournament will consist of these four teams (although Trine has played two fewer games to date). 

Adrian went 5-0 in region and 6-0 overall.
Hope went 4-2 in region and 4-2 overall.

Key games this week:  Hope vs. Calvin (4 games), Adrian vs. Trine (4 games) Good slate of games which will have a tremendous impact on tournment seeding.

Key non conference in region games: None

Heartland Conference

Manchester 18-3 (#2 in Region)
Anderson 15-7
Defiance 11-9
Rose-Hulman 11-9
Transylvania 11-10
Franklin 11-10
Bluffton 10-11

It would appear there is a 5 game race for the final two spots of this tournament.  There are plenty of league games on the slate to determine the final composition of the tournament.  Manchester can clinch the top seed in the tournament with one win in their last four games (1 vs. Defiance, 3 vs. Mt St. Josephs).  Anderson can lock down a tournament birth with a win in its last three games against Franklin (a team which must sweep to get in).  Defiance plays Transylvania for three games plus one against Manchester, and Rose Hulman has one game with Franklin and a a three game series with Earlham. 

Manchester went 3-0 both in region and overall.

Key non conference, in region games: none

President's Athletic Conference

W&J 15-6
Thomas More 14-7 (#6 in region)
Thiel 14-7
St. Vincent 12-7.

The next teams are 5 games behind Thiel and three games behind St. Vincent.  It would appear these are the four teams playing in the conference tournament.   Thiel and St. Vincent have a three game series upcoming.  W&J has a three game series with Westminster and Thomas More a three game series with Geneva. 

Thomas More went 2-4 last week in region and 2-5 overall (with a loss to Cincinnati)
W&J went 3-1 in region last week with big wins over Thomas More, La Roche (#3 in region) and a split with CWRU (#5 in region).  Look for W&J to maybe crack the regional rankings this week. 

Key non conference in region games: 

W&J vs. Frostburg and Mount Union

AMCC

Penn St.-Beherend 15-1
La Roche 13-3 (#3 in region)
Mount Aloysius 10-6
Pitt Greensburg 8-8
Penn St. Altoona 7-9
Pitt Bradfod 7-7

The AMCC tournament starts this weekend, and the top six teams are included in the field.  There is a best of three tournament between #6 vs. #3 and #5 vs #4.  Pitt Bradford has one more game to play, which could impact seeding.  The winners go on to play a traditional 4 game double elimination tournament next weekend.  PSU-Beherend is the one seed, and La Roche is the #2 seed. 

La Roche went 4-1 losing to W&J last week. 
PSU-Beherend went 5-0 with a non conference win over Mount Union

There are no key non conference in region matchups this week.

North Coast Conference

I am not sure what is going on with the NCAC tournament race, apparently I am confused about the meaning of their crossover games scheduled for the upcoming weekend.  I'm trying to get clarification as to what it means for their conference tournament and implications on their Pool A births.

East:
Wooster 12-3 (#4 in region)
Allegheny 9-6
Oberlin 9-7
Kenyon 7-7
Hiram 0-14

West
Denison 10-6
Wittenberg 8-8
OWU 8-8
DePauw 8-8
Wabash 6-10

I'm trying to clarify what is going on with the crossover games for the weekend.  But the matchups (according to Bishop Lefties Dad) are:  #1W Denison vs. 4E Kenyon, 2W Depauw vs 3E Oberlin, 3W OWU vs 2E Allegheny, 4W Wittenberg vs. 1E Wooster.  According to the same poster, these are best of three series with the winners advancing on to the NCAC tournament. 

Wooster went 2-2 last week in region, losing a key game to Marietta (#1 in region). 
Denison went 3-1 in region and had their game vs. Case cancelled. 

Key non-conference, in region matchups this week: 

Dension vs. #1 Marietta
#4 Wooster vs. #9 JCU

OAC

Marietta 13-3 (#1 in region)
John Carroll 11-5 (#9 in region)
B-W 10-6 (ineligible)
Otterbein 9-7
Mount Union 9-7
Ohio Northern 8-8
Heidelberg 7-9
Capital 7-9

Marietta swept B-W on Saturday and by most estimates, wins the tiebreaker over JCU in the event the two finish tied.  Marietta plays lowly Wilimington in its last league series.  JCU plays Ohio Northern which has tournament implications as does the matchup between Otterbein and B-W.  Mount Union travels to Muskingum needing one win to clinch a spot.  Heidelberg and Capital play each other with both needing a sweep and some help. 

Marietta went 3-0 last week with a key win over #4 Wooster.
JCU went 3-1 splitting a twinbill with #5 Case Western Reserve

Key Non conference in region matchups:
#9 JCU @ #4 Wooster 
#1 Marietta vs. Denison
#1 Marietta vs. #5 CWRU
#1 Marietta vs. Frostburg State.
#9 JCU vs B-W

Independents

#5 Case Western went 2-2 last week, splitting a series with both W&J and #9 John Carroll.  They had two games rained out.

Key upcoming games: 

#5 CWRU vs. Baldwin Wallace
#5 CWRU @ #1 Marietta

Big SOS bump for Case with those two games.

In a week the conference tournaments will be set and the battles for the trip to Terre Haute will be on. 

My best guess for regional rankings this week:

#1 Marietta  (.808, NCAA SOS Rank 8)
#2 Wooster ( .720, NCAA SOS Rank 24)
#3 Manchester (.815, NCAA SOS Rank 279)
#4 CWRU (.688, NCAA SOS Rank 33)
#5 La Roche (.711, NCAA SOS Rank 226)
#6 Adrian (.750, NCAA SOS Rank 244)
#7 Washington & Jefferson (.679, NCAA SOS Rank 112)
#8  John Carroll (.630, NCAA SOS Rank 130)
#9  Hope (.655, NCAA SOS Rank 176)




Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jskomra10 on April 29, 2013, 08:43:52 PM
hiram-john carroll match up cancelled due to NCAC game for Hiram on Wednesday.  JCU and BW scheduled to play 430 Wednesday in Berea in a non-conference regional game. JCU has Wooster and BW back-to-back. Marietta beating up on Denison as we speak.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 29, 2013, 09:42:20 PM
QuoteNorth Coast Conference

I am not sure what is going on with the NCAC tournament race, apparently I am confused about the meaning of their crossover games scheduled for the upcoming weekend.  I'm trying to get clarification as to what it means for their conference tournament and implications on their Pool A births.

East:
Wooster 12-3 (#4 in region)
Allegheny 9-6
Oberlin 9-7
Kenyon 7-7
Hiram 0-14

West
Denison 10-6
Wittenberg 8-8
OWU 8-8
DePauw 8-8
Wabash 6-10

I'm trying to clarify what is going on with the crossover games for the weekend.  But the matchups (according to Bishop Lefties Dad) are:  #1W Denison vs. 4E Kenyon, 2W Depauw vs 3E Oberlin, 3W OWU vs 2E Allegheny, 4W Wittenberg vs. 1E Wooster.  According to the same poster, these are best of three series with the winners advancing on to the NCAC tournament.

Wooster went 2-2 last week in region, losing a key game to Marietta (#1 in region).
Denison went 3-1 in region and had their game vs. Case cancelled.

Key non-conference, in region matchups this week:

Dension vs. #1 Marietta
#4 Wooster vs. #9 JCU
I had the tie breakers wrong. The west is set for seeding the cross overs.
1. Denison
2. Witt
3. Depauw
4. OWU
5. Wabash

The east still needs to make up some games. Only seedings set are Wooster at 1 and Hiram at 5. Just need  to finish the games to seed the rest.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: d3baseball411 on April 30, 2013, 10:30:36 AM
Morning snapshot (Rating is multiplying in-region winning percentage by NCAA SOS rating [2/3 OWP, 1/3 OOWP]).
1. Marietta      .4719
2. Wooster      .4039
3. Manchester  .3928
4. Case            .3812
5. Adrian          .3705
6. PS-Behrend  .3578
7. W&J              .3572
8. La Roche       .3541
9. Allegheny     .3369
10. Oberlin        .3358
11. Hope           .3334
12. JCU             .3282   

Big remaining games:
Case DH 4/30 vs BW, Case DH 5/4 @Marietta
JCU @ Wooster 4/30, JCU @ BW 5/1, JCU probably needs to sweep ONU too.
W&J @ Penn State Behred 5/5
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 30, 2013, 11:14:59 AM
Glad to see more NCAC teams your ranking.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 30, 2013, 04:46:20 PM
Quote from: d3baseball411 on April 30, 2013, 10:30:36 AM
Morning snapshot (Rating is multiplying in-region winning percentage by NCAA SOS rating [2/3 OWP, 1/3 OOWP]).
1. Marietta      .4719
2. Wooster      .4039
3. Manchester  .3928
4. Case            .3812
5. Adrian          .3705
6. PS-Behrend  .3578
7. W&J              .3572
8. La Roche       .3541
9. Allegheny     .3369
10. Oberlin        .3358
11. Hope           .3334
12. JCU             .3282   

Big remaining games:
Case DH 4/30 vs BW, Case DH 5/4 @Marietta
JCU @ Wooster 4/30, JCU @ BW 5/1, JCU probably needs to sweep ONU too.
W&J @ Penn State Behred 5/5

Multiplying a decimal times another decimal?
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 01, 2013, 08:13:29 AM
Tuesday's games provided for some interesting results for teams hoping to boost their regional ranking/pool C resume.

Case split a series with BW, needing a walkoff win in the ninth in he first game. 

Wooster soundly defeated John Carroll yesterday.

JCU and B-W play today.  Wooster plays Heidelberg.

Case is an interesting story this year.  They are certainly having a good year.  Currently they are 25-12.  Here is a look at their record against some key opponents.

In Region, ranked opponents
#2 Wooster 1-1
#9 JCU 2-1
#1 Marietta (Saturday May 4)

Ranked Regional Oppponents (out of region)
#6 (NY) St. John Fisher 2-1
#5 (Cen) Washington U 2-0 (In region game for CWRU as Washington is a member of the UAA)

Other Regional Series vs. "Better teams" (.500 or better overall)
Ohio Wesleyan 1-1
Baldwin Wallace 1-1
W & J 1-1
Emory 1-1 (part of the UAA)
Thiel 2-0
Oberlin 1-1
Heidelberg 2-1

Against regionally ranked opponents they are 7-3.  Against teams who are .500 or better overall they are 9-6. 

I don't know how their resume stands up to the other top pool "B" teams for one of those births, nor how it will stack up to the Pool C group.  Their record against regionally ranked opponents thus far is solid, but I would say their blemish is their record against the rest of the quality teams on their slate.  Their series against Marietta on saturday is signficant to helping their resume. 


Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on May 01, 2013, 10:12:31 AM
the strength of sced stat is huge for case,  not many teams have played a tougher slate.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 02, 2013, 09:08:28 AM
Using numbers from the "Pool C Discussion on the national topics thread provided by forheavendial4999

Currently Case Western is 23-11 in region.  Their NCAA SOS rating is 39th and their OWP is rated 49th.  Their Regional Win Pct is .676.  They have two games left to go.  The series at Marietta will improve their SOS and OWP, significantly. 

If they win two, their Region win pct is .694 (25-11).  I think this makes them a lock for the regional based on their schedule strength and win pct.
If they split their region win pct is .667 (24-12).  Based on who made "the cut" in 2012, I think this puts them on the bubble but still in.
If they drop two, their region win pct is .639 (23-13).  Again based on who made "The cut" in 2012, This puts them squarely on the bubble, and makes it too close to call.

For example (thanks to forheavendial4999) 
In 2012:     Whitewater in.  RWP: .625 OWP rank 35 SOS rank 30. 
                  Neuman in.  RWP .667 OWP Rank 20 SOS rank 16
                  Ill Wesleyan in.  RWP .641 OWP rank 24 SOS Rank 21.
                 Chicago OUT.  RWP .633 OWP rank 9, SOS rank 9
                 ECSU OUT.  RWP .645 OWP rank 15, SOS rank 11

So how much will the DH at Marietta improve their OWP rank and SOS rank?  Then it comes down to who else is in the mix.  For example if Marietta and Wooster fail to win their respective pool A bids, it my push Case out of the tournament. 


And while it is a "national" group of the possible Pool C bids, if you add two schools like Wooster and Marietta to the pool C mix, it may be enough to push Case out of the tournament. 

There is a lot on the line Saturday for both Marietta (whom I feel is playing mostly for regional seeding at this point, barring a complete and total collapse) and Case (who is playing to qualify for the tournament).  I think Case is at a disadvantage by NOT having the opportunity to play in a conference tournament following the regular season.  They also will become cheerleaders for Wooster and Marietta for the NCAC and OAC tournaments.   
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2013, 10:29:31 AM
Pretty much how I see it. 1 win and Case is in good shape since they should get the benefit of doubt over Washington. Only 1 team has won at Marietta this year (and that was likely Pool B Huntingdon), and no Mideast region teams have beaten Marietta on the road or at a neutral site. So, needless to say, even 1 win for Case would be a big resume-builder.

You never know what's going to happen in conference tournaments. But a split would put Case in pretty good shape.

I don't agree with not having a conference tournament hurting Case. For one thing, don't they have one in Florida? That doesn't count against their game total, does it? For another, conference tournaments are another chance to lose. If they went into the weekend 24-12 in region and then went 2 and out in a conference tournament, that would hurt a lot. They could play for a Pool A berth but nothing about that is at all guaranteed in any conference they'd be likely to play in regionally.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 02, 2013, 10:54:34 AM
Yes the UAA has a tournament in the spring
University of Rochester, Case, Emory, Bradies and  Washington U go down south and play. Chicago does not participate because there spring break is a different date than the other UAA schools.

Wash U and Case shared the title.

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/weekly_sport_updates/BB_Update.html
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on May 02, 2013, 12:21:02 PM
bottom line, Case has an outstanding record, and played one of the toughest sceds in the nation....if that does not get them into post season, it is a real shame.....  proves hollow wins vs. less talented teams is more important than pushing to be the best you can be as a program.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 02, 2013, 12:36:50 PM
Lets face it, the tournament is not about the best teams. Most of the best teams get in but as long as it is set up the way it is for equal access it will not be that way. Their will be Not so good Pool A teams from Bad pool A conferences pushing out deserving Pool C candidates. And it gets worse when their is a upset in a pool A tourney and the best team gets knocked out and takes their superior numbers into Pool C.

Case has decided that they prefer the Pool B\C route. Otherwise they would lobby to join a Pool A conference (Cough,NCAC,cough) and take a shot at Pool A. Case has chosen what they feel is best for all their sports. It is what it is.

If they have the numbers and their are not too many upsets they have a chance.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 02, 2013, 01:25:20 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on May 02, 2013, 12:36:50 PM
Lets face it, the tournament is not about the best teams. Most of the best teams get in but as long as it is set up the way it is for equal access it will not be that way. Their will be Not so good Pool A teams from Bad pool A conferences pushing out deserving Pool C candidates. And it gets worse when their is a upset in a pool A tourney and the best team gets knocked out and takes their superior numbers into Pool C.

Case has decided that they prefer the Pool B\C route. Otherwise they would lobby to join a Pool A conference (Cough,NCAC,cough) and take a shot at Pool A. Case has chosen what they feel is best for all their sports. It is what it is.

If they have the numbers and their are not too many upsets they have a chance.

Couldn't agree more.  Look at Chicago last year, pool B team with strong numbers in SOS and OWP, they were left sitting at home.  Same with ECSU last year. Strong SOS and OWP, yet left at home. 

Who is to say:  what happens this year may differ entirely from what happened last year.  Bottom line is somebody deserving will be left at home and there will be plenty of butt-hurt to go around.  Based on their "body of work" is Case deserving? The absolutely are (as was Chicago last year).  Either outcome will not surprise me when it comes to Case. It will come down to conference tournaments and the other teams which are pushed to the pool C group.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: ADL70 on May 02, 2013, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on May 02, 2013, 12:36:50 PM


Case has decided that they prefer the Pool B\C route. Otherwise they would lobby to join a Pool A conference (Cough,NCAC,cough) and take a shot at Pool A. Case has chosen what they feel is best for all their sports. It is what it is.



When the affiliation with PAC for football was announced, I inquired whether consideration had been given to baseball affiliation as well.  I was told it was an interesting thought, but was not under consideration.  PAC has an odd number of teams.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 02, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
2013 regional rankings part 2 (last week I n parenthesis)

1. Marietta (1)
2.  Manchester (2)
3. Wooster (4)
4.  La Roche (3)
5.  Case (5)
6.  W&J (NR)
7.  Hope (7)
8.  John Carroll (9)
9.  Thomas More (6)

Dropped out Adrian.

Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2013, 09:40:49 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on May 02, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
2013 regional rankings part 2 (last week I n parenthesis)

1. Marietta (1)
2.  Manchester (2)
3. Wooster (4)
4.  La Roche (3)
5.  Case (5)
6.  W&J (NR)
7.  Hope (7)
8.  John Carroll (9)
9.  Thomas More (6)

Dropped out Adrian.

Did W&J beat anyone special in the intervening period?
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 02, 2013, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 02, 2013, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on May 02, 2013, 12:36:50 PM


Case has decided that they prefer the Pool B\C route. Otherwise they would lobby to join a Pool A conference (Cough,NCAC,cough) and take a shot at Pool A. Case has chosen what they feel is best for all their sports. It is what it is.



When the affiliation with PAC for football was announced, I inquired whether consideration had been given to baseball affiliation as well.  I was told it was an interesting thought, but was not under consideration.  PAC has an odd number of teams.
+1 ADL, I had forgotten about the PAC affiliation. Case was a founding member of the NCAC and a part of the conference for 15 years till they left in 1999
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: ADL70 on May 02, 2013, 11:14:53 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2013, 09:40:49 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on May 02, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
2013 regional rankings part 2 (last week I n parenthesis)

1. Marietta (1)
2.  Manchester (2)
3. Wooster (4)
4.  La Roche (3)
5.  Case (5)
6.  W&J (NR)
7.  Hope (7)
8.  John Carroll (9)
9.  Thomas More (6)

Dropped out Adrian.

Did W&J beat anyone special in the intervening period?

Beat TMC and LaRoche and split with CWRU.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 03, 2013, 12:43:58 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 02, 2013, 11:14:53 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 02, 2013, 09:40:49 PM
Quote from: EttaFan1 on May 02, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
2013 regional rankings part 2 (last week I n parenthesis)

1. Marietta (1)
2.  Manchester (2)
3. Wooster (4)
4.  La Roche (3)
5.  Case (5)
6.  W&J (NR)
7.  Hope (7)
8.  John Carroll (9)
9.  Thomas More (6)

Dropped out Adrian.

Did W&J beat anyone special in the intervening period?

Beat TMC and LaRoche and split with CWRU.

Works for me. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 03, 2013, 08:01:32 AM
Schedule change for Marietta will see them not playing Frostburg on Sunday, but rather traveling to LaRoche for a 3PM game.  Another big "in region" matchup for both schools.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 03, 2013, 10:33:55 PM
On Monday, Marietta's NCAA SOS rank was 8th. After playing Wilmington, it dropped to 49th, below Wooster who is 24th and case at 35th . It should get a boost tomorrow after playing case.

Owp:  .563
Oowp:  .5129
NCAA SOS: .549

Ouch.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 04, 2013, 05:15:19 PM
Case Western's season basically came down to today, and they certainly approached the game like it. They have to be a Pool C if not Pool B team. Relentless today.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on May 06, 2013, 07:39:16 AM
at this point, the conversation needs to shift from, " will Case be selected to compete in the Mid East regional"    to how could they not be selected.    and also, at this point could they be seeded in the top 3 ?
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 06, 2013, 09:21:21 AM
So it is now conference tourney time, and this is when it comes down to the wire.  So hre is where we are in the region and I will offer my input on Joe's comments as well.

MIAA

#1 Hope vs. #4 Calvin
#2 Adrian vs. #3 Trine

Legitimate Pool C teams:  IMO, none.  This is a one bid league. 
Bubble Teams:  Regionally ranked Hope (#7) is .667 in region and has the 170th rated NCAA SOS mark.  Adrian is not currently ranked and has a region win pct of .722 and has an SOS rank of 238th.  Neither is strong enough in my opinion to get a pool C birth.

Heartland Conference

#1 Manchester vs. #4 Defiance
#2 Anderson vs. #3 Franklin

Legitimate Pool C Teams:  Manchester.  They are currently the #2 ranked team in the region.  They have an .839 in region win pct, but their SOS is really poor ranked 313th.
Bubble Teams:  None

PrAC

#1 W&J vs. #4 St. Vincent
#2 Thiel vs. #3 Thomas More

Legitimate Pool C Teams:  Likely None
Bubble teams:  W&J (#6 in region last week) has an in region win pct of .735 which is strong, a key win over Marietta College, but their SOS is rated at 143.  I think this puts them at the borderline.  Thomas More (#9) has an in region win pct of .686 and an SOS rank of 244.  It would be unlikely they make it in as a Pool C team.

AMCC

#1 PSU - Beherend vs. #5 Pitt - Greensburg
#2 La Roche vs. #3 Mt. Aloysius

Legitimate Pool C Teams: none
Bubble teams: La Roche (#4 in region last week).  The Redhawks currently have an in region win pct of .692 and have played the 208th rated schedule.  Beherend has an in region win pct of .714 and has played the 305th rated schedule.  Neither seems likely.

NCAC

(Not official, not on the NCAC website yet. Will update this later when known for certain)
Denison vs. Allegheny
Wooster vs. Oberlin

Legitiamte Pool C:  Wooster.  The scots have a .767 in region win pct, and an SOS rank of 35th.  It would be very hard to leave the scots out of the tournament.
Bubble teams:  Dension has an in region win pct of .632 and an NCAA SOS rank of 145.  They are a long shot.  Allegheny has an in region win pct of .649 and an NCAA SOS rank of 79th.  Both are long shots, IMO.

OAC

#1 Marietta vs. #4 Otterbein
#2 John Carroll vs. #3 Mount Union

Legitimate Pool C teams:  Marietta #1 in region.  a .781 In region win pct and an NCAA sos rank of 26th.  This is enough to get in.  And with a win or two in the tournament may be enough to be the top seed.
Bubble teams:  None.  JCU's numbers wouldn't warrant consideration.  .613 in region win pct and an NCAA sos rank of 122. 

Case Western Reserve

It is only my opinion, but I feel Case should be in the tournament either as a pool b team or a pool c.  They have an in region win pct of .694 and an NCAA SOS rank of 21 which is the most difficult schedule of any mideast region team.  I felt prior to their twinbill with Marietta they had to win two against the Pioneers to give themselves the best possible chance of a pool b or c bid.  They did just that.  They should  be in the tournament.  A for a top three seed?  the .694 win pct compared to those over .700 for Marietta and Wooster who also play difficult schedules and Manchester's .800+ Win pct (though against poor competition) cold push them to the #4 seed.  They are one of the better teams I've seen this year.

With that said, a lot is going to depend on the results of conference tournaments.  Kean lost their conference tournament in the Mid-Atlantic region.  They are probably going to take a pool C bid (#1 in region last week, .829 win pct, #15 ranked SOS).  The more this happens, the tighter things get for all Pool C teams.   

The bottom line: there are no guarantees if you don't get a pool A bid.  Somebody deserving will get left at home. 

After the week, here is how I see the region rankings.

1.  Marietta
2.  Manchester
3.  Wooster
4.  Case Western Reserve

Really, you could mix and match the order of these about any way you want to.

5.  La Roche
6. W&J
7.  Hope
8. JCU
9.  Thomas More or Adrain

Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on May 06, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
your posts are always outstanding, with incredible stats and info, i do enjoy reading them.

that said, with all that is listed above, why would manchester deserve to stay at #2 playing such a weak sced ?   and after beating the pioneers both games...and at home...  could case not jump over them ?   Just a question for debate....  what i or other Case fans think has no bearing on anything.  thanks
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 06, 2013, 11:32:47 AM
Believe me, I think Case has a legitimate argument to be a 3 seed.  In fact if Marietta is the 1, I hope they are! 

I have my eye on two things:  Regional rankings and in region win Pct.   


First the in region win pct. info...

Marietta .781 (25-7)   NCAA SOS: .560.  NCAA SOS rank:  26
      Best Case Scenario (3-0 in OAC Tournament)  win pct .800  (this clinches the top seed in the region, IMO)
      Worst Casd Scenario (0-2 in OAC Tournament) win pct. .735

Wooster .767 (23-7)  NCAA SOS:  .555, NCAA SOS rank:  35
      Best Case Scenario (3-0 in NCAC Tourn.) win pct .788
      Worst Case Scenario(0-2 in NCAC Tourn.) win pct. .719

Manchester .839 (26-5)  NCAA SOS: .467, NCAA SOS rank:  303
      Best Case Scenario (3-0 in HCAC tourn.) win pct. .853
      Worst Case Scenario (0-2 in HCAC tourn.) Win Pct. .788

Case .694 (25-11) NCAA SOS: .565, NCAA SOS rank: 21
       Season is complete.  No changes.

Anyone an make a case about Manchester's poor SOS numbers, and I think that will weigh heavily in the discussions, but at the end of the day, they dominated their in region competition.  Subjectively speaking, their SOS numbers were also hamstrung to some extent by a lackluster conference, which I think will be a part of the discussion as well (this could be good or bad, IMO).

Then we come to regional rankings thus far. 

Right now, the committee ranking the region has not penalized Manchester's poor SOS numbers.  They have been second in BOTH rankings thus far.  And while Case has moved higher they may not be able to overcome previously formed opinions by the group who issues those rankings.  It will be interesting to see what the results show on Thursday afternoon when the third set of numbers is released.  If Case jumps to #3, then I would guess they have a chance to be the #3 seed in the regional (considering they earn a pool B or C bid--which is still not known yet). 

My opinion, the best case scenario for the Spartans is a #3 seed, but they will have to have some "help,"  help which in the end works against their pool c interests if they are indeed a pool C contender!.  The likely scenario (on the monday before the conference tournaments) for them is to be the #4 seed.  My opinion could change after the regional rankings are released on Thursday. 


Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on May 06, 2013, 12:08:01 PM
As always Etta, an outstanding post full of facts info and stats ....props again.

So honored that Case has a chance to earn a playoff spot, congrats to Coach Englander, his staff, and the team another incredible season, and it is amazing how far this program has come in just a few years....wow
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 06, 2013, 12:58:15 PM
Quote from: jos s on May 06, 2013, 12:08:01 PM
So honored that Case has a chance to earn a playoff spot, congrats to Coach Englander, his staff, and the team another incredible season, and it is amazing how far this program has come in just a few years....wow

I saw Case in the regional in the 2011 season.  They were slow, and not  fundamentally sound (missed cut off men, threw behind runners at bad times, etc.)  The team I saw on Saturday was vastly improved over that club.  They were easily the best opponent I've seen in person this season (a list which includes Otterbein, BW, some other OAC bottom feeders, Huntingdon, Wooster, Denison, and Montclair State).  Serious arms in the outfield.  Good hitters.  The Shortstop was outstanding.  Their catcher was also very good defensively. Very impressed with Case. 
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 06, 2013, 01:53:19 PM
If Manchester wins out, they're the 2 or 3 seed IMO. If they do NOT...I am not sure they get in at all. That would be a really tough call for the committee I think.

Their record against regionally ranked teams is 0-0. They have played none.

If Marietta is Pool A, they're the #1 seed, as unfair as that might seem to Case fans. If Marietta needs a Pool C, Case Western could end up being the #1 seed. Case is 8-3 against in -region regionally ranked...6-3 even if you take out Washington St. Louis -- that's the best record in the region. W&J is 5-3 and Marietta is 5-5.

Ultimately, seeding doesn't matter at all. Marietta won the series in 2006 from the 3 seed in the regional. I don't really think there are any dominant teams in the region this year. The winner will play clean, throw strikes, and hit the ball. I'm not sure there's an all-american pitcher in the whole region unless Murphy from Manchester makes it as a reliever.

Btw, I think W&J has a chance as a Pool C. Low-ish SOS but several regionally ranked wins, the most of any of the low SOS teams that would be realistic options.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 06, 2013, 04:28:56 PM
Records vs. Regionally Ranked opponents.

These include games against the ranked mid-east region opponents (which would also include Adrian, once ranked always ranked). Plus games against regionally ranked opponents from other regions that are considered "in region" matchups.  ie Case vs. Washington U, Marietta vs. Huntingdon, and La Roche vs. Cortland State. 

1. Marietta 6-5 (Wooster, La Roche, Case, W&J, JCU, and Huntingdon)
2. Manchster 0-0
3. Wooster 2-3 (Marietta, Case, JCU)
4. La Roche 0-4 (Marietta, W&J, Cortland St.)
5. Case Western 8-3 (Marietta, Washington U, Wooster, JCU, W&J)
6. W&J 4-3  (Marietta, La Roche, CWRU)
7. Hope 3-1 (Adrian)
8. John Carroll 2-4 (Marietta, Wooster, and Case)
9. Thomas More 2-2 (W&J, Adrian)

This is a factor as forheavendial4999 indicated an will be considere.  However I see some issues.  First it is a "luck of the draw" to some extent.  You don't know, in advance, who is going to be in the regional rankings.  Secondly in the case of someone like Hope, their only ranked opponent was Adrian, and that's because they had to play.   

Credit where it is deserved:  Case for having success against the ranked regional opponents and for being blessed with having 11 such contests.  Marietta as well, they have 11 games to their credit against regionally ranked opponents, and have a winning record.  Marietta could play another one to two games against JCU in the OAC tournament helping to improve their resume. 

This further solidifies Case's resume for a birth either as a Pool B or Pool C Candidate.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 06, 2013, 04:35:35 PM
Well, one of us has some numbers wrong on the games against regionally ranked, but that's the basic idea.

Wooster didn't beat Marietta, did they?
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 06, 2013, 04:42:45 PM
Yup Wooster lost to Marietta early in the season 15-10.
http://www.woosterathletics.com/sports/bsb/2012-13/files/woob310.htm

They split with Case and beat JCU
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 06, 2013, 04:45:10 PM
Nope. 

MAR:  vs. WOO 2-0, LRC 2-0, CWRU 0-2, W&J 0-1, JCU 1-1, HUNT 1-1: Total 6-5
MAN: 0-0
WOO: vs. MAR 0-2, CWRU 1-1, JCU 1-1: 2-3
LRC: vs MAR 0-2, W&J 0-1, CORT 0-1 : 0-4
CWRU: vs. MAR 2-0, WOO 1-1, W&J 1-1, JCU 2-1, WASH 2-0: 8-3
W&J: vs. MAR 1-0, LRC 1-0, CWRU 1-1, TMC 1-2: 4-3
Hope: vs ADR 3-1
JCU: vs. MAR 1-1, WOO 0-1, CWRU 1-2: 2-4
TMC:  vs W&J 2-1, ADR 0-1: 2-2

Corrected the previous post for JCU and W&J. 

Also from the D3 Baseball page on how the bids are awarded, here are the primary criteria:

Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
•Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
•Opponents’ Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and  selection.

Weighted Scale. For a minimum of two championship seasons (2009-10 and 2010-11),
a weighted scale will apply. Once the OWP and OOWP are calculated, they are to be combined on a weighted scale (e.g., 2/3 weight for OWP and 1/3 weight for OOWP) and this combined number becomes the strength of schedule.



Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 10, 2013, 09:03:40 AM
Regional Rankings as of Yesterday.

1.  Marietta
2.  Manchseter
3.  Case
4.  Wooster
5.  W&J
6.  Hope
7. La Roche
8. JCU
9. Denison (new)

I am feeling a lot more confident about Case's case for a pool B/pool C bid at this point.  Them moving up to 3 is huge.

OAC tournament featured upsets of the top two seeds.  Marietta and JCU will play an elimination game.  For JCU, their season is over if they lose.  Marietta is a lock for the regional, IMO.

NCAC tournament has Wooster in the championship game waiting for the losers bracket final between Oberlin and Allegheny.  Denison is out and likely has completed their season. 

HCAC tournament saw Franklin and Manchester advance in the winners bracket and Defiance and Anderson move to the losers bracket.

PrAC tournament found Thomas More and W&J winning big in their openers.  They will meet today along with Thiel and St. Vincent in the losers bracket.

MIAA tournament saw Hope eliminated from the tournament.  Adrian and Trine will square off in the championship game today.  Hope is likely done for the season.

AMCC tournament found La Roche being upset in their first game and Penn State Beherend moving forward.  La Roche won the first losers bracket game.  Mt. Aloyisius will play PSU Beherend in the winners bracket today, with La Roche facing the loser. 

Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on May 12, 2013, 09:24:16 AM
The Mid East regional seeds

Manchester
Case
Wooster
Washington and Jefferson
Adrian
Marietta
Penn st behrend
Mount union
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 12, 2013, 10:42:03 AM
Quote from: jos s on May 12, 2013, 09:24:16 AM
The Mid East regional seeds

Manchester
Case
Wooster
Washington and Jefferson
Adrian
Marietta
Penn st behrend
Mount union

I would be surprised if all 8 end up in Terre Haute.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 12, 2013, 09:39:37 PM
Quote from: jos s on May 12, 2013, 09:24:16 AM
The Mid East regional seeds

Manchester
Case
Wooster
Washington and Jefferson
Adrian
Marietta
Penn st behrend
Mount union

In that order?

Marietta will be no worse than a four in an eight team region, IMO.  .743 regional win pct, solid win pct against regionally ranked opponents, and the third toughest schedule in the regionally ranked teams. They likely won't be the top seed, but they won't fall from 1 to 6 With those numbers either. (if that was your intent by listing them in that order).

Beherend goes east to ny or the midatlanitc. Distance issues, mostly.

Mount might too for the same reasons.

W&J at .757 with the 114th rated schedule won't jump Marietta either, IMO.


Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 13, 2013, 08:30:04 AM
Received a text from Marietta, they are the #2 seed and will play the #7 seed Penn St.- Beherend

#1 Manchester
#2 Marietta
#3 Wooster
#4 Illinois Weslyan
#5 Washington & Jefferson
#6 Thomas More
#7 PSU - Beherend
#8 Mount Union

Case gets shipped out to Wisconsin Whitewater as the 4 seed, where they will get to play the host school #3 Wisconsin Whitewater.  That's tough matchup for the Spartans.  (did they get "screwed" with that draw?  Probably)  Adrian goes to the Central Region as a 5 seed.

Thomas More is a surprise at large bid. 

So

Manchester vs. Mount Union
Marietta vs. PSU Beherend
Wooster vs. Thomas More
W&J vs Illinois Wesleyan

Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 13, 2013, 09:35:41 AM
Case got the shaft, in my opinion. I'm all for teams being shipped to other regions if they can compete and win, but they could've been a 2 or 3 seed in the Mideast, but i.stead end up as a 4 in the region of death...the Midwest. ouch.

good luck to them though, i would love to see them in Appleton as a second Mideast representative (along with Marietta of course!!)
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on May 13, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
thanks for the kind words.....   truly a joke to be sent 8 hours away, when there are 3 regionals closer. Case earned and deserved at least the #2 in the Mid east     the selection group should be ashamed.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 13, 2013, 10:13:00 AM
Even if Case stays "home" I doubt they are the #2 seed in Terre Haute—three maybe, a 4 at worst.  That's only my opinion.  I also believe if they were worthy of the #2 seed, they likely would not have been "shipped out." 

It can be argued that there is a bias towards Marietta and Manchester...Both nationally ranked all year (Not a selecion criteria, but that does influence the humam subjective factors).  Both were top two in the regional rankings each time they were announced. Only guessing, but I think it was predetermined before the conference tournaments, those would be the top two seeds.  The conference tournaments determined the pecking order between them.   (ie Marietta wins the OAC, they are the top seed.  Perhaps that would have kept Case "at home," too.) 

Case earned their way into the tournament, no question.  I agree they were not treated well by the committee.  They are one of the best teams I've seen this year.  Fundamentally sound.  Solid pitching.  Good offense.  They will compete well in the regional, IMO.  Quite frankly as a fan, I'm glad they were shipped to another region, I don't want to see them again any too soon.   :)

Adrian also was shipped out to the Central Region (Moline IL).
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 13, 2013, 10:44:38 AM
I think Case got absolutely ripped. The Midwest is the one region I absolutely would not want to go. St.Thomas was my preseason #1, the region is at Whitewater...just a crazy tough regional. I was hoping they would move Stevens Point but I guess if they earned the 2 you can't move them. And you obviously can't move Whitewater. Hopefully Case shocks the world in Whitewater, I think they've had a good year and deserve much better than what they got.

At least Mount is on the other side of the bracket from Marietta. Hope for an all-OAC final I guess.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: jos s on May 13, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
thanks for the kind words.....   truly a joke to be sent 8 hours away, when there are 3 regionals closer. Case earned and deserved at least the #2 in the Mid east     the selection group should be ashamed.

Whitewater is only about an hour farther than Terre Haute, depending on when you go through Chicago.  The real bitch is the strength of that bracket (#2 and #3 from last weeks Top25).

How did the NCAA bean-counters let the ME regional be at the far west edge of the region?  Many years ago OWU (or NCAC) hosted a regional at OSU's old field.  Not sure what schools other than Marietta have fields with lights, but certainly there are many fine facilities in Ohio that could serve as a regional host.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 13, 2013, 12:20:15 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: jos s on May 13, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
thanks for the kind words.....   truly a joke to be sent 8 hours away, when there are 3 regionals closer. Case earned and deserved at least the #2 in the Mid east     the selection group should be ashamed.

Whitewater is only about an hour farther than Terre Haute, depending on when you go through Chicago.  The real bitch is the strength of that bracket ( 3 Top25 teams)

How did the NCAA bean-counters let the ME regional be at the far west edge of the region?  Many years ago OWU (or NCAC) hosted a regional at OSU's old field.  Not sure what schools other than Marietta have fields with lights, but certainly there are many fine facilities in Ohio that could serve as a regional host.

West had 3 teams in the TOP 7 and 4 in the TOP 17.....So it could be tougher.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 13, 2013, 12:20:15 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: jos s on May 13, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
thanks for the kind words.....   truly a joke to be sent 8 hours away, when there are 3 regionals closer. Case earned and deserved at least the #2 in the Mid east     the selection group should be ashamed.

Whitewater is only about an hour farther than Terre Haute, depending on when you go through Chicago.  The real bitch is the strength of that bracket ( 3 Top25 teams)

How did the NCAA bean-counters let the ME regional be at the far west edge of the region?  Many years ago OWU (or NCAC) hosted a regional at OSU's old field.  Not sure what schools other than Marietta have fields with lights, but certainly there are many fine facilities in Ohio that could serve as a regional host.

West had 3 teams in the TOP 7 and 4 in the TOP 17.....So it could be tougher.

I did edit my post to last week's #2 and #3, after I looked more closely at all the other brackets.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 13, 2013, 01:11:01 PM

Adrian has lights and a field turf surface and has been, in recent years, the only other location to host the regional in the last few years (since 2006 at least).   

There was a point in time a few years ago when the regional was hosted in Akron's Thurman Munson stadium.  Hasn't been there in quite some time.

Back when they were 4 team fields, you could do it just about anywhere....Lights weren't a necesity.  Having an 8 team field without lights would be next to impossible.  6 team fields would be difficult without lights. 



Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 02:03:49 PM
I was also thinking of Avon's All-Pro Freight Stadium.  Oberlin has played games there and it was Cleveland State's home field.

Munson is in Canton and no longer has a minor league tenant, so it would be a good choice also.  Maybe Mt. Union will step up with it's success this year and put together a bid for nest year.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 13, 2013, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 13, 2013, 12:20:15 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: jos s on May 13, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
thanks for the kind words.....   truly a joke to be sent 8 hours away, when there are 3 regionals closer. Case earned and deserved at least the #2 in the Mid east     the selection group should be ashamed.

Whitewater is only about an hour farther than Terre Haute, depending on when you go through Chicago.  The real bitch is the strength of that bracket ( 3 Top25 teams)

How did the NCAA bean-counters let the ME regional be at the far west edge of the region?  Many years ago OWU (or NCAC) hosted a regional at OSU's old field.  Not sure what schools other than Marietta have fields with lights, but certainly there are many fine facilities in Ohio that could serve as a regional host.

West had 3 teams in the TOP 7 and 4 in the TOP 17.....So it could be tougher.

Midwest is still stronger...the national rankings are inflated toward teams that start their season earlier. It's ridiculous. Trinity is a 5 seed, that should tell you how far off the rankings are.

Only 2 of the top 8 teams in the rankings are 1 seeds. The rankings are basically toilet paper.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 05:14:56 PM

[/quote]

The rankings are basically toilet paper.
[/quote]

To the NCAA
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: woosterbooster on May 13, 2013, 06:58:57 PM
The location of the regional is also toilet paper.  Because it's not a day trip, it becomes expensive for fans.  5 1/2 hours of driving plus three or four nights lodging.  Sorry, but yet another NCAA DIII sporting event that won't get the attendance that it could.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 13, 2013, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on May 13, 2013, 06:58:57 PM
The location of the regional is also toilet paper.  Because it's not a day trip, it becomes expensive for fans.  5 1/2 hours of driving plus three or four nights lodging.  Sorry, but yet another NCAA DIII sporting event that won't get the attendance that it could.

Did Wooster bid to host?

Think of it this way...would you rather not have the 3-4 nights lodging? Could only be 1...
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: ScotsFan on May 14, 2013, 09:51:21 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 13, 2013, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on May 13, 2013, 06:58:57 PM
The location of the regional is also toilet paper.  Because it's not a day trip, it becomes expensive for fans.  5 1/2 hours of driving plus three or four nights lodging.  Sorry, but yet another NCAA DIII sporting event that won't get the attendance that it could.

Did Wooster bid to host?

Think of it this way...would you rather not have the 3-4 nights lodging? Could only be 1...

Wooster doesn't have lights so they can't bid to host...
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: ScotsFan on May 14, 2013, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 05:14:56 PM


The rankings are basically toilet paper.
[/quote]

To the NCAA
[/quote]

But what kind of toilet paper?   :P
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 14, 2013, 11:32:15 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on May 14, 2013, 09:51:21 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 13, 2013, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on May 13, 2013, 06:58:57 PM
The location of the regional is also toilet paper.  Because it's not a day trip, it becomes expensive for fans.  5 1/2 hours of driving plus three or four nights lodging.  Sorry, but yet another NCAA DIII sporting event that won't get the attendance that it could.

Did Wooster bid to host?

Think of it this way...would you rather not have the 3-4 nights lodging? Could only be 1...

Wooster doesn't have lights so they can't bid to host...
At least not at Wooster. Is there another venue they could host at.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 14, 2013, 11:59:29 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on May 14, 2013, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 05:14:56 PM


The rankings are basically toilet paper.

To the NCAA
[/quote]

But what kind of toilet paper?   :P
[/quote]

The rough stuff from the Quick Stop.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 14, 2013, 12:01:19 PM
Quote from: Bishopleftiesdad on May 14, 2013, 11:32:15 AM
Quote from: ScotsFan on May 14, 2013, 09:51:21 AM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on May 13, 2013, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Wooster Booster on May 13, 2013, 06:58:57 PM
The location of the regional is also toilet paper.  Because it's not a day trip, it becomes expensive for fans.  5 1/2 hours of driving plus three or four nights lodging.  Sorry, but yet another NCAA DIII sporting event that won't get the attendance that it could.

Did Wooster bid to host?

Think of it this way...would you rather not have the 3-4 nights lodging? Could only be 1...

Wooster doesn't have lights so they can't bid to host...
At least not at Wooster. Is there another venue they could host at.

Oh please don't give them any ideas to have it in Canton again.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 14, 2013, 12:10:06 PM
I totally agree with what Dr. A said about liking this for Marietta. Hopefully weather doesn't bump them out of the first day, though. If that doesn't happen, then I like it.

I think Illinois Wesleyan is a very dangerous team. They may have the best ace in the whole tournament, and a potent offense as well.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: jos s on May 14, 2013, 03:02:21 PM
looks as if the regional selection group, is also voting in the D3baseball polls.... 43%  pick marietta ?    wish i was a bookie....
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 14, 2013, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: jos s on May 14, 2013, 03:02:21 PM
looks as if the regional selection group, is also voting in the D3baseball polls.... 43%  pick marietta ?    wish i was a bookie....

not quite sure what your beef is with Marietta, but it's pretty obvious you aren't a fan...no biggie, not everyone is. BUT their overall in-region record, SOS, and past achievements definitely warrant their seed this year.  I believe you are a Case supporter, and they have had a great season...but don't confuse one day's worth of games against Marietta as something that is representative of a whole season's worth of work.

good luck to Case tomorrow, they are going to need it with that crappy draw they were given.
Title: Re: The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 14, 2013, 03:54:31 PM
Case got screwed, I don't blame a fan of theirs for being annoyed by it.

Hopefully Gish can stand on his head and upset Whitewater and then maybe they have a chance to do something. Facing Whitewater, then ST. Thomas would just be heinous.