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#1
Quote from: BSCpanthers on March 26, 2024, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: Mavchamp on March 25, 2024, 03:12:40 PMIt's been a year since the mass exodus from the ASC was announced.

A whole year and we have NOTHING....NOTHING from the ASC to give any hope of something positive hoping.

Hope of recruiting schools like Wayland, Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, SGAU, NAU...... we only need 2 of them.  More would be great.  But just two would save the conference.  NOTHING. 

Partnership with SCAC?  Nope.
SAA? Nope.
SCIAC?  Nope.
C2C?  Nope.

At this point all four just need to accept the fact that they are going to have to act of their own accord to save themselves.  Can't continue down this road....it's clearly unsustainable due to the staggering lack of leadership from the conference. 

Staying D-3 seems unlikely, especially for HSU and UMHB.  Seems no one wants their winning ways.
HPU and ETBU may have slim chances to end up in another D-3 conference.  But seems unlikely.

Do any of them go D2?  NAIA?

Just a total mess.  It's infuriating. 

SAA will be looking for another addition, BSC is done, shutting the doors May 31st. 
I'm sad to hear that. I can't imagine how heartbroken I'd be if my alma mater shut down. Prayers to the BSC students and alums.
#2
Quote from: CRUmember on March 18, 2024, 07:30:19 PMThis just came in email to renew season tickets:

UMHB Football 2024 Schedule
September 7 – at Bethel University (McKenzie, TN) - 1:00 pm
September 14 – Westgate Christian University (Houston, TX), HOME GAME - 6:00 pm
September 21 – at Wisconsin Whitewater (Whitewater, WI) - 1:00 pm
September 28 – John Melvin University (Crowley, LA), HOME GAME - 1:00 pm
October 5 – ETBU, HOME GAME 1:00 pm
October 12 – Hardin Simmons HOME GAME - 1:00 pm
October 19th – at Howard Payne - 1:00 pm
October 26th – OPEN WEEK
November 2 – at ETBU - 1:00 pm
November 9 – at Hardin Simmons - 1:00 pm
November 16 – Howard Payne HOME GAME – 1:00 pm
Thanks for posting!
#3
Quote from: Etchglow on March 14, 2024, 09:50:05 AM
Quote from: UMHB03 on March 13, 2024, 11:17:39 PMETBU has released their schedule. Facing the Crusaders in Belton on October 5th and in Marshall on November 2. Looks like they're playing Westgate Christian too.

2024 ETBU schedule



Kind of makes you wonder if the ASC is trying to get Westgate Christian to join.  A few years back when NAU started their program I was kind of hoping the ASC would try and lure them in.  Instead, they ended up going NAIA... 
Interesting idea. At this point I'd be happy to have them if they're interested in transitioning to the NCAA. John Melvin too since they're also currently unaffiliated and could decide to go NCAA. That may be the last chance to save the ASC.

Also regarding John Melvin, after a little more digging, it appears there's a reason none of us has heard of that program. The school just opened back in 2022. Similar to Centenary, they played a hybrid schedule against JV, JUCO, and prep school teams in 2023 (part of the reason why I initially thought they were a JUCO or prep school), and 2024 will be their first season of varsity football.
#4
ETBU has released their schedule. Facing the Crusaders in Belton on October 5th and in Marshall on November 2. Looks like they're playing Westgate Christian too.

2024 ETBU schedule

#5
Quote from: crufootball on March 12, 2024, 05:46:46 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on March 12, 2024, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: UMHB03 on March 12, 2024, 10:01:56 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2024, 07:56:07 AMCentenary played John Melvin twice last year and beat them 57-0 and 23-6 as a JV program.  If this schedule is true, I can't imagine UMHB will get anything out of playing them other than getting every healthy player in the program into the game, and the same goes for Westgate Christian, definitely not NAIA, who are playing their first season of football in 2024 (according to their Xitter feed).  From what can be gleaned from the school's website, they are an online-only institution with a "convenient, open-enrollment system [that] allows you to begin your courses right away."
 
Good grief.

Surely there must have been some crossed signals on this, and somehow some scrimmage opponents were listed with the actual opponents. I know it's hard for UMHB to find teams willing to play them, but if Harmon has sunk to scheduling the equivalents of University of Phoenix or DeVry, he would appear to be more clueless in his off the field duties than he has been as a HC. Hopefully this is a false alarm.

Ehh, it makes a certain amount of sense with only 4 teams in the conference. The chances of a 2nd asc team making the playoffs are slim to none so just win to get in so why spend a bunch of money either flying to another team or paying someone 20k to come play you?

Tinfoil hat, but maybe pressure is coming from above to reduce spending? I mean there has to be a reason they're not sending our folks to broadcast away games anymore...

That's the thing though, if we are flying to Wisconsin AND Tennessee we are not in save money mode, I would say we are in we will play anyone that says Yes mode. Maybe I am dumb but I refuse to believe that Coach Harmon or anyone at UMHB would have played UW-RF (there with no return game), Trinity (there with no return game), UWW (Twice), a top 10 NAIA school (there, who knows if they are coming here in 2025) and two very random schools unless they basically had no other choices.

Also in terms of recruiting, all things are cured by winning. If we win the ASC and go a couple rounds deep in the playoffs, we will tell recruits that if you come to UMHB you have a shot at a title and get to crisscross the country on charter flights in the regular season like D1 kids get to and they will sign up. As for the chance of destroying John Melvin and Westgate, is that really much different than the many many times we have killed ASC opponents?
It actually is a lot different. Other schools' JV teams routinely beat John Melvin (essentially a JV team itself), and Westgate is basically an intramural team that plays intramural teams from other online "schools". These are the kinds of teams that Austin College would beat by 50, and UMHB might hang 80 on by halftime.
#6
Quote from: Etchglow on March 12, 2024, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: UMHB03 on March 12, 2024, 10:01:56 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2024, 07:56:07 AMCentenary played John Melvin twice last year and beat them 57-0 and 23-6 as a JV program.  If this schedule is true, I can't imagine UMHB will get anything out of playing them other than getting every healthy player in the program into the game, and the same goes for Westgate Christian, definitely not NAIA, who are playing their first season of football in 2024 (according to their Xitter feed).  From what can be gleaned from the school's website, they are an online-only institution with a "convenient, open-enrollment system [that] allows you to begin your courses right away."
 
Good grief.

Surely there must have been some crossed signals on this, and somehow some scrimmage opponents were listed with the actual opponents. I know it's hard for UMHB to find teams willing to play them, but if Harmon has sunk to scheduling the equivalents of University of Phoenix or DeVry, he would appear to be more clueless in his off the field duties than he has been as a HC. Hopefully this is a false alarm.

Ehh, it makes a certain amount of sense with only 4 teams in the conference. The chances of a 2nd asc team making the playoffs are slim to none so just win to get in so why spend a bunch of money either flying to another team or paying someone 20k to come play you?

Tinfoil hat, but maybe pressure is coming from above to reduce spending? I mean there has to be a reason they're not sending our folks to broadcast away games anymore...

They can save money without scheduling games against club teams from online universities and prep schools. Other programs don't do that, and I have a hard time believing that UMHB is worse off financially than everyone else. Even NAIA opponents like Texas College or Wayland Baptist would have more legitimacy. At least those are accredited, 4-year colleges with varsity football programs.

If these are the kind of opponents we can expect with this new double round robin scheduling model, we need to find a new conference/division immediately. We're going to have a hard time attracting the kind of players needed to maintain a power program if they know they're going to be playing multiple meaningless games against ITT Tech and the like. If we keep scheduling teams that are a half-step above intramurals, that's the kind of players we're going to be stuck recruiting.
#7
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2024, 07:56:07 AMCentenary played John Melvin twice last year and beat them 57-0 and 23-6 as a JV program.  If this schedule is true, I can't imagine UMHB will get anything out of playing them other than getting every healthy player in the program into the game, and the same goes for Westgate Christian, definitely not NAIA, who are playing their first season of football in 2024 (according to their Xitter feed).  From what can be gleaned from the school's website, they are an online-only institution with a "convenient, open-enrollment system [that] allows you to begin your courses right away."
 
Good grief.

Surely there must have been some crossed signals on this, and somehow some scrimmage opponents were listed with the actual opponents. I know it's hard for UMHB to find teams willing to play them, but if Harmon has sunk to scheduling the equivalents of University of Phoenix or DeVry, he would appear to be more clueless in his off the field duties than he has been as a HC. Hopefully this is a false alarm.
#8
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2024, 11:55:41 PM
Quote from: cruman32 on March 11, 2024, 07:38:09 PMDon't know the exact dates but the first 4 games are:
1.  Bethel College-Mickenzie Tennessee- NAIA-Quarter finalist 2023-There
2.  Westgate Christian Univ.-Houston, Tx,-NAIA-Here
3.  Whitewater- There
4.  John Melvin- Crowley La.-NAIA-Here


Westgate Christian is not a member of the NAIA, and frankly, is hardly a school.
I'd never even heard of it, and I live in Houston.
#9
Quote from: crufootball on March 11, 2024, 10:17:24 PM
Quote from: UMHB03 on March 11, 2024, 09:02:46 PM
Quote from: cruman32 on March 11, 2024, 07:38:09 PMDon't know the exact dates but the first 4 games are:
1.  Bethel College-Mickenzie Tennessee- NAIA-Quarter finalist 2023-There
2.  Westgate Christian Univ.-Houston, Tx,-NAIA-Here
3.  Whitewater- There
4.  John Melvin- Crowley La.-NAIA-Here

Are you sure some of those aren't opponents for the JV team? I have a hard time believing that they'd schedule three of their four non-conference games against NAIA teams that don't even count towards playoff eligibility. I don't think Westgate and John Melvin even have varsity football.

Not sure if they are NAIA or what but in the end I am just happy to hear they have 10 games. Last year UW La Crosse played Dakota State (NAIA) and Northern Michigan (D2), they won the WIAC so they didn't have to worry about being at large. Frankly if Bethel is a Top 10 NAIA team again and Whitewater is Whitewater I am happy to have 2 games that should be wins.
Yeah, Whitewater will be a good matchup as always, and even though Bethel won't officially count, they will be a nice test for the team. I'm just not sure about the other two. Based on what I've been able to find, and there isn't much, they seem like a couple of programs that we'd see on the JV schedule (ie. Fort Worth Prep Academy, etc.), or as scrimmage opponents. I don't know that John Melvin and Westgate Christian are even accredited 4-year universities. I'd hate for one or both of those schools to close before the season even starts.
#10
I just did a little research.

John Melvin is a JUCO/Prep school in Louisiana, and I can't even find enough information on Westgate Christian to determine what it is, but neither of them are listed as having NAIA football programs.

List of NAIA football programs

#11
Quote from: cruman32 on March 11, 2024, 07:38:09 PMDon't know the exact dates but the first 4 games are:
1.  Bethel College-Mickenzie Tennessee- NAIA-Quarter finalist 2023-There
2.  Westgate Christian Univ.-Houston, Tx,-NAIA-Here
3.  Whitewater- There
4.  John Melvin- Crowley La.-NAIA-Here

Are you sure some of those aren't opponents for the JV team? I have a hard time believing that they'd schedule three of their four non-conference games against NAIA teams that don't even count towards playoff eligibility. I don't think Westgate and John Melvin even have varsity football.
#12
So much for Harmon learning from 2023. Let's see if he can get home-and-homes with North Central, Wartburg, and Linfield while he's at it.  ;)

I understand it's hard to find non-conference games, but surely there must be some SCAC or SAA teams looking for opponents. Many of them have the same geographical scheduling disadvantage that UMHB does.
#13
Quote from: Crubacker on February 20, 2024, 05:27:14 PMAnybody heard anything as far as who the CRU's non-conference opponents might be for 2024?
I don't have any inside info, but I would have to guess that UWRF and Trinity owe us a home game. If that's the case, I hope UMHB learns from last year and doesn't fill out the two remaining non-conference openings with brutal opponents. UWRF, Trinity and HSU (twice) are going to be tough enough.
#14
Quote from: Weak Safety on November 19, 2023, 04:23:35 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 19, 2023, 12:36:48 AM
Quote from: Weak Safety on November 18, 2023, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 18, 2023, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2023, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2023, 04:20:23 PM
Gaylon Glynn looked much less mobile this season. I was counting on his mobility in the HSU offense to be a bigger factor.

The early-season injury might have been a part of that.

Ran into Chad Grubbs on the way out who said they were down 3 starting OL before the game got underway.  That certainly had something to do with the lack of success running the ball or protecting Glynn.

That's a shame.

Good thing it wasn't a 6-4 team playing Trinity! 

Rent free, I love it.

Says the guy whose team hasn't won a playoff game in 23 years while UMHB has won 3 natties in that time.

We had a young team, Coaches figuring out how to get them going when you don't have a National Semifinal offense. You are absolutely right. 6-4.

Next season will be here soon.


Thanks for the history lesson.  You're right, next season will be here soon.  HSU beating UHMB this season and playing in Sun Bowls in the 30's, 40's and 50's is history.  Won't help them next season any more than winning 2 National Championships in the past helped UMHB this year.

Good luck next year
Not really a good comparison. The mystique of winning three national titles in six years still pervades and influences the UMHB program, despite one down year. Nobody alive today remembers HSU playing in Sun Bowls.

Good luck to the Cowboys next year too. After beating the Crusaders for the first time in 8 years, maybe now they can work on getting a win in Belton for the first time in 19 years.
#15
Quote from: umhbalum on November 04, 2023, 03:22:38 PM
The Cru QB for the future doesn't appear to be on our roster. I've got a lot of concerns about things moving forward, and discipline has been a huge question. What about recruiting?
Recruiting better be a big part of the strategy for getting things back on track, especially on offense. Harmon better hit the recruiting trail hard a week from today. High school, JUCO, portal.... whatever he needs to do. I don't think we have a single OL who needs to be starting next year, and most of the productive skill guys are seniors. I'm not ready to completely give up on Phe, but I'm not convinced he's he long term answer. The offense needs to complete overhaul, and that includes the staff. I think my grandmother could field a better offense than Padron has.

I also completely agree about discipline. Totally unacceptable all year. The fact that this is still an issue 9 games into the season raises serious questions as to whether Harmon is head coach material

Special teams is still a joke. I think they could go down to Belton Middle School and find better place kicking and punting. Absolute peewee league level.

On the bright side, the defense has made strides. We can win with the defense playing at this level. However, the other two phases of the game need a comprehensive reset from the coaches down to the players.