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#16
Region 10 men's basketball / Re: Northwest Conference
January 29, 2015, 12:25:56 PM
Quote from: madzillagd on January 29, 2015, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: blackhawks4 on January 29, 2015, 10:41:09 AM
My #2 is Linfield--for all the points that Rat brought up.  The football argument in nonsensical to me and I don't buy it.  I've never been around an athlete worth his salt who avoided a school with a good football program. In fact, when looking for a school, i think having more jocks around would be a huge attraction.

My niece plays a sport at Linfield and has talked about being a 2nd class citizen when it comes to football vs everyone else.  For example, when she was hurt last year she couldn't get any assistance by the training staff who told her to go away, that they only had time for the football players.  She ended up having to do her entire rehab stint herself off campus and going home on weekends to get her PT uncle to take care of it.

Totally believe it.  I had an inflamed disc in my back my sophomore or junior seasons.  I was told to deal with it and sent away.  It was a game day even! 
#17
Region 10 men's basketball / Re: Northwest Conference
January 29, 2015, 12:23:54 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on January 29, 2015, 11:10:51 AM
Quote9) LIN (football is king)

And National Championships in softball and baseball are chopped liver.

Bells! Geo Fox has two National Championships to Whitworth's how many?

Softball: football assistant is the head coach. (Who, if you didn't know, divorced his wife to marry a former player.  Not claiming indiscretion, but are you serious?)

Baseball: Carnahan is the AD and gets funding regardless.  What is he going to do, not feed himself?

Also, there have been moments in time when the football boosters have influenced linfield athletic department decisions regarding other sports by threatening to pull donations.  Rat was on it.  I wouldn't touch Linfields head coaching job unless there was an AD who had zero ties to Linfield.
#18
Region 10 men's basketball / Re: Northwest Conference
January 29, 2015, 01:01:58 AM
Rat, spot on list!  GFU should be at the bottom just for the fact that they fired Sundquist who was reigning COTY!
#19
Region 10 men's basketball / Re: Northwest Conference
January 29, 2015, 12:58:39 AM
Quote from: A Buc Forever on January 28, 2015, 09:33:28 PM
...Playball is right...

Awe shucks!  Thanks Buc!  That's the best thing I've read on here besides Rat calling me a Sasquatch!

From my point of view as an outsider but with knowledge of the WW program, Hayford was an amazing recruiter, fundraiser, and game time coach.  I've also heard that the practice coaching load was mainly handled by assistants, and Buc let me know if I'm wrong on that or what David thinks.

Can someone explain how a team scores 38 points in a 40 minute game without point shaving being brought up?!  Just kidding, I know these kids are playing hard but damn! Tough to see.hopefully this season serves as motivation this off season!

WW will drop one resting some of its guys late in the season.

WM can get worse, we saw worse from them for years!  FWIW, that university has really infused it's sports with adequate funding.  It's nice to see that happen in the conference.  Amazing what a little bit of cash can do, right Doc?

Linf might steal one from someone, but it's a long shot.


Question for everyone on the board.  What do you feel your team does that other teams do not do in order to achieve success?  I'm curious to hear where this goes
#20
Region 10 men's basketball / Re: Northwest Conference
January 13, 2015, 07:43:41 PM
13 of 18 are listed as underclassmen?  That may play into it but I see 18 guys on a roster as an issue!  Good grief!  I hope they do a four team tournament at the end of the season at Linfield with a 6 man alumni team being one team! 

As for the state of the conference, is the conference down talent wise overall or is the talent just pooled in a couple teams?  That Whitman LF score has to be some sort of record...
#21
Region 10 men's basketball / Re: Northwest Conference
December 13, 2014, 04:43:16 PM
It's still Portland Bible!!! :o
#22
Region 10 men's basketball / Re: Northwest Conference
December 09, 2014, 05:26:15 AM
Not to hate on Batuik, but his lateral speed was never his greatest attribute. 

We don't have three point shooters?  Are we watching the same game?  Cali and Potter are hitting over 40% with a solid sample size.  I do agree though that we are having a tough time finding the net, so that's why I'm so perplexed on why one of the best scorers in the conference is getting splinters.  8 minutes a game on average?  Unreal!
#23
Region 10 men's basketball / Re: Northwest Conference
December 07, 2014, 05:47:44 PM
Slowly is 5,10,15,20, then 30 a game while ramping up things in practice.  He had one game where he got 10-15 minutes and then boom, zeroes.  He was all conference and now can't sniff the court.  That says either one of two things, linfield got some unreal posts or he isn't on the same page as the coach.  What waste of talent on the bench.

And so far no, I'm not impressed.  Even when we were horrid my senior year we wouldn't ever lose to a team like Portland Bible...

Good to be back!  Someone needs to represent for the cellar dwellers!!   
#24
Region 10 men's basketball / Re: Northwest Conference
December 06, 2014, 12:14:35 AM
Hey everyone!  Batuik getting less than 5 minutes per game?  On a team that is 1-5?  At least Dotes knew what kind of talent he had!
#25
Tillema plays for the West Region WIAC, but is on the East squad.  Ironic much?

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2014/d3-all-star-game-box-score
#26
Quote from: Bearcat Press on March 15, 2014, 02:35:51 AM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 14, 2014, 09:58:31 PM
Pretty sure he's talking about the high school gym, Grants Pass, OR.



Although the school has been remodeled and that may not be the exact same court playball played on.
Go Cavemen!

I don't know how many it could hold, but it was cool!  And that is exactly how it was back in 2006 even.  Great atmosphere!
#27
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 14, 2014, 06:38:28 PM
I just used Hope and Calvin as examples for the "bowl" style seating. I think it gives the court/arena more of a "big time" feel. Any new basketball facility at Whitworth doesn't need more than 2,500 seats. But you are absolutely right about filling seats being more important than a mostly empty palace like Van Noord. Here is the Fieldhouse during a playoff game. Currently they have to bring in temporary bleachers on the end caps when they expect the main bleachers to reach capacity. 



If Whitworth was able to make a gym of similar seating capacity and just utilize a smaller space better, that place would be rocking.  It gets loud and noisy already but imagine the same amount of fans at a WW game in a space scaled to Whitmans gym... It would be nuts!  I know many of you have never been here and sits fairly obscure but the best gym I've ever played in was in Grants Pass Oregon.  They had a bowl style but what was so unique about it was the floor sat 7 or 8 feet below where the bleachers were.  Both benches, scores table, and basketball court were sunk into the ground.  It was amazing
#28
Quote from: blackhawks4 on March 13, 2014, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: playball on March 12, 2014, 10:26:49 PM
Nope, Rat, you are correct.  Whitman gives loads of money to Bridgeland as I sort of outlined when I said he interviewed at Linfield in order to be the bully and turn Whitman upside down for its lunch money.  He got more than lunch money.

So another institution tried to lure an employee away, and WMN decided to do what they could to retain that employee? Yea, this is completely the same as a lunchroom bully stealing other kids money...

Blackhawk, thanks for trying to nitpick.  I still stand by my analogy because Bridgeland pursued the job at Linfield without any intention of taking it.  Linfield opened it's search to applicants, Bridgeland applied.  My sources at both schools say the job was offered but was declined after Whitmab offered up a 400k budget increase (imagine how happy their women's program was!!).

As for Linfield not wanting Doty so they didn't support him, I've been saying this the whole time!  Support for the program suffered monetarily and in other ways as well.

Whitman, if I remember correctly, has a huge endowment fund and they are putting it towards their sports programs.  I agree tat there gym is a cool place to play in.  The crowds my last couple years were a funny (albeit nerdy) bunch.  Clever. 

I am very interested in what direction WW will go for it's possible new gym.  If they want the biggest and baddest in the conference but still have a flair for the old field house, they can always take design cues from the Evergreen Aviation Museum in McMinnville...

#29
Quote from: D O.C. on March 12, 2014, 11:52:23 PM
Yes, if LINFIELD can pull off 12 wins next season then I will give playball a jar of Tiger Balm for his back.

I guess you don't understand anatomy or how the body works.

WW is the gold standard in which the conference needs to look to when it comes to basketball.
#30
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 12, 2014, 08:46:34 PM
Quote from: blackhawks4 on March 12, 2014, 01:48:07 AMAnd how could one not think highly of WW? Whitworth demands respect. My goodness, they've won the nwc the last 10 yrs in a row?! But it's time to take the next step. Duke and NC don't celebrate ACC titles. It's time for a national presence.

Playball, Bridgeland had the highest budget, he should be doing better. Care to elaborate? And why does Bridgeland have the highest budget?

With the current d3 landscape as well as the recruiting limitations without the ability to offer scholarships, your ACC analogy falls flat on its face. The NWC is not the ACC. And Whitworth very much has a national presence, even without a title.

playball can correct me if I'm wrong but Whitman gives more university dollars to their men's basketball program than any other NWC school. I think you two are just using the term "budget" differently.

Nope, Rat, you are correct.  Whitman gives loads of money to Bridgeland as I sort of outlined when I said he interviewed at Linfield in order to be the bully and turn Whitman upside down for its lunch money.  He got more than lunch money.

Another reason for low student attendance at Linfield Basketball games (besides losing records) is how the academic school year is set up.  We have Jan Term which is not a requirement for all students so a lot of students don't comeback until February for school after Christmas break.  Fox has may term, so during their entire basketball season, students are on campus.  How does that effect other sports? How many fox kids are going to be missing out watching baseball, not many.

Konrad Ross and crew were on scholarship.  Its tough to compare scholarship teams and non scholarship teams.  Non scholarship guys play because they love the sport mainly.  Scholarship guys are pretty much employed to play.  Also, the Cascade Conference has a national pull since they are always well represented in the end of the year tournament.  Would I rather play in the CCC or NWC if I could go back and choose all over again?  I would still pick the NWC since the schools have a very different feel about them.

Look, a team needs size and Linfield was lacking it in the right positions.  Our bigs were slight and small.  Our guards looked slightly muscle bound which caused them to be a step slow.  Thats a bad combination for a basketball team.  Since someone brought up Nate Montgomery I will go a little further in depth.  Jon Weber who played HS with Nate, and Linfield with me, said that Nate was very overlooked and kind of a goof ball.  He developed after all possible recruiting hoopla could fruition from playing in HS.  Nate was a workaholic who had the drive that most people want, but dont work towards to attain.  Actually, it wasnt just him that had it from those Hayford WW teams.  David Riley would shoot and shoot and shoot, making the assistants wake up early and open the gym up or stay late to close it down.  Im sure Bo Gregg was the same kind of animal as were all the 15 Gebbers that went there and everyone else who played. 

Buc, is the glorified aircraft hangar used for any graduations or any other things of that nature?

Linfield as a whole needs to change its outlook on basketball.  When I missed 8 games my junior year with an inflamed disc in my back, I went to get treatment on one of our away game days.  Were any trainers around to help?  No.  I went out to the football field as it was one of their game days also, pretty sure it was against UPS.  I asked to get treatment from one of the ATC's and was told to "bug off, its game day."  Would this happen at any other school?