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Title: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 05:15:07 AM
This is the new home of MAC discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 16, 2005, 09:31:15 AM
Wow, I finally made it to this new board. Ok all you MAC posters, lets get the season off to a new start. I read SIMBA and someone else going at it already.....Let the games begin.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 16, 2005, 09:35:06 AM
Good Morning Pat....my number of posts didnt transfer just fyi

Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 16, 2005, 10:55:38 AM
Wow.

There are some fancy options here.

Like this one

And this one
;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 16, 2005, 02:26:41 PM
there aint no doubt who will rule the roost this year....the boyz from delaware valley college....question is who will finish second on the mac ...albright? seems like  the long time powers susquehanna and lyco are struggling a little bit...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 16, 2005, 04:42:12 PM
gordon: Your lipstick is smudged.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 16, 2005, 05:50:24 PM
Ha.  Yeah, the "glowing affect" wasn't quite what I had in mind.

But I like some of these other features.

I now proudly present, man getting sick on a roller coaster

oo(:P)oo-oo(:D)oo-oo(:o)oo
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 17, 2005, 10:06:34 AM
This will take some getting used to....!

Gordon and news from any of the MAC camps....?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 17, 2005, 12:47:52 PM
Bman:

I actually had a chance to talk to all 11 head coaches during the offseason while working on the Kickoff Special.  They had a lot of interesting insight which I can't share for fear of reprisal from the Kickoff Special  organizers.  ;)

Just between you and me, here are a few tidbits...

  - Del Val opened camp on Saturday.  Coach Mangus is excited about the crop of O- and D-line recruits.  The Aggies have their Green and Gold scrimmage on Saturday and then scrimmage Ursinus on August 27.

  - I asked Coach Dapp of Moravian if he worried about Jacoubs wearing down given his workload.  His response -- "Jacoubs doesn't get tired."  The Greyhounds scrimmage Franklin & Marshall before opening at home.

- FDU Coach Rich Mosca reports the Devils will have approx. 120 recruits, about the same number as last year.  He'd like to add some lights so the Devils can host a friday night game.  FDU has an open date in week one so they'll scrimmage Saint Lawrence in Albany.

I could tell you more, but then why would you order the Kickoff Special?   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 17, 2005, 03:00:35 PM
Gordon...After I read the preview, I will pose the same question! ;D//
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: sontyle3440 on August 17, 2005, 09:35:09 PM
I think the prediction of lycoming's demise is very premature.   I know their record was not up to lycoming's usual standard, but they were in every game last year but one.  So i think they are going to suprise some people.  However, that might just be wishful thinking from an alumus.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on August 17, 2005, 10:30:57 PM
Just testing.  My post name was deleted so I had to re-register.  This site will take a little getting used to but it seems pretty user friendly.  Like the options.

???

Oh yeah, go Del Val!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 18, 2005, 12:18:26 PM
never said lyco was in the middle of demise only that they were struggling a little....as well as susquehanna these were the benchmark programs for a long time in the mac. question will be if they continue to struggle what will happen and who will take their place at the top ...my guess would be dvc, albright and kings
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 18, 2005, 05:08:44 PM
FDU is bring in over 100 recruits two years in a row!!
Coach Mosca is doing a great job at FDU. 
In my recruiting class we had maybe 50 and it was like that for years to follow.
Nice to see they're making progress.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 18, 2005, 08:10:26 PM
I could never understand that barroomhero...Aren't there over 8,000 attending FDU-Madison???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 18, 2005, 09:45:02 PM
simba and barroom
I think that's a misprint about the number of recruits - FDU will bring about 110-120 to camp today, as they did last year. The actual number of new players is between 50-60.

As for FDU's number of students, our full time resident students number about 1800.  If you wish to count commuters and part time students, the number is closer to 2300.....
Simba, your 8000 number might be if you combined both campuses, as well as all graduate students....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 19, 2005, 12:55:19 AM
Bill:

You're right.  My bad.  That should read 120 kids total, not recruits.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on August 19, 2005, 03:56:45 AM
 >:( wow all this talk about teams in the mac and not one mention of widener, why no credit, widener only lost to the 0o0o holy del val by 1 score, and they shut lyco out they also beat the at the time undefeated moravian, not to mention the whoopin on port while playin the also undefeated albright, lets not the pioneers beat jackson who is gone at home against kings.... the pioneers are now in their second year with their OC and the fifth year senior lomas is in the swing of things and ready to lead the team....dont sleep on the pioneers who also bring in plenty of recruits
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: the blackhand on August 19, 2005, 08:24:02 AM
 About time someone mentioned Widener but they could really use a kid they lost 2yrs ago. Not too many people know who he is but he would def be an all mac player by now and an impact player in the mac. savior said he was the only kid on their team that could cover him one on one and should've started in 03 but he was new to the program. apparently this kid was really good and from what i've heard they could of really used him last yr and this yr. if anyone knows who he is let me know i would like to know what happened to a kid who had that much skill. all in all though Widener will be tough like always and Del Val and Albright both know that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2005, 10:25:25 AM
Hmm, with a mail address like cb12, I wonder who this guy could be talking about ...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: URMOM on August 19, 2005, 11:56:42 AM
There are two FDU campuses-  Madison & Teaneck. Teaneck fields D1 teams (no football) and Madison D3 teams. The majority of the students included in the total # of students (>10,000) are in Teaneck. Only about 2,500 attend the Madison campus, including commuters. That's why they refer to FDU as "FDU-Florham" not just FDU.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 19, 2005, 12:10:24 PM
its nice to hear everyone comparing themselves to dvc seems like everyone agrees that they are the team to beat this year...finally getting some respect since last year the coaches and most media picked them to finish any where from the middle to the bottom of the pack...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: the blackhand on August 19, 2005, 01:26:48 PM
 Nah Pat I wish I was athletic and my name has nothing to do with football at all something I've done to remember my brother. Plus I don't think you can play a sport for a school you don't go to or can you? I had a friend who went there and he was talking about this kid. But the real reason I came on was to see what people's picks were for the whole MAC?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 19, 2005, 01:46:45 PM
No, it's more like only 2,000.  The biggest problem I saw when I was there was keeping guys on the team and on campus. Even I failed out for a semester, but I went to community college, came back and sat out a season.  But  I dont ever recall a 100 guys reporting to camp, so guys not sticking around really hurt every year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on August 19, 2005, 08:33:27 PM
tyrek savior...or leon as some would call him...yes tyrek is and was great and he did play last year but didnt get the ball as much as some thought he should...i dont know what he is doing now but if ne one knows rek he will be doing it well...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 19, 2005, 09:27:03 PM
It will be "won in the trenches" gentlemen!.....

"Girardi started camp Wednesday by telling the team that every position is open. The Warriors appear deep on the offensive and defensive lines where they return every starter."

http://www.sungazette.com/articles.asp?articleID=17227

Another string of winning seasons starts this year!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 20, 2005, 11:05:42 PM
Don't count lyco out yet.  With 100 plus kids on the team and their tradition and coaching staff they just might surprise some folks.  I still think DV is the team to beat this season in the MAC.  Also, keep an eye on LVC, Kelly is a good QB and they have a nice receiving corp.  The Dutchman picked up some talented recruits.  Can't wait for the season to start.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 23, 2005, 09:53:55 AM
Any Camp news?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 23, 2005, 09:55:03 AM
Pat

BTW can you reset my old post count?

I know you will be focused on releasing the issue this week...but when you get a chance...

Thx

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on August 24, 2005, 03:49:10 PM
Any camp news on Albright yet.  Any surprises  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 25, 2005, 02:25:47 PM
CJSJAGS

Impressive...2 posts and already with the fuzzy highlights.... ;D

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: GoDips71 on August 25, 2005, 05:07:49 PM
Anybody heading over to check out the F&M v. Moravian scrimmage at Moravian tomorrow?  Looks like it starts at 11a.m. on Friday.  I can't make it, but if anyone checks it out - please give us a report.  You will recall that this is a rematch from last year's ECAC title game.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 25, 2005, 11:35:41 PM
Saw the DVC intrasquad scrimmage last week. Looks like G.A. has added some beef and size the both the "O" and "D" lines.  Both Jacobs and Cook looking like mid season form but then again, it is only an in house scrimmage. They scrimmage Ursinus on Saturday and this will make a more acurate analysis of the team potential.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 26, 2005, 12:46:06 PM
good to hear coach mangus is adding some size i know that was one of his goals this off season. best thing is for all of dvc to stay healthy with playing moravian right out of the gate that will not be an easy game. any incoming freshmen seem to look good? i couldnt make it to the green/gold game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LinerNation on August 27, 2005, 03:00:55 PM
What can a father of a freshmen realistically expect in the first year. Do they have freshmen or Jv type games for these kids. I  realize he's probably not getting any signifcant playing time this year (maybe some special teams experience), but what do they do with these kids if they're not playing varsity ball?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 27, 2005, 06:01:52 PM
LinerNation:

First, welcome to D3football.com.  We hope you enjoy your son's football experience and make us your primary home for following the Division III landscape.

As to your question, it really depends on the school he is attending.  Many schools have JV programs with active schedules.  Depending on a lot of factors, several freshmen contribute as varsity regulars or even starters as the season progresses.  Again, a lot depends on the school he is attending.


On another note, I saw the Del Val/Ursinus scrimmage today.  Del Val's offense was a little slow at first and kept things pretty basic in terms of what they ran.  The first team unit scored 10 points with Knoblauch at the helm and 7 with the new back-up Hassenauer running things.  The reserves for both schools scored TDs in the second half.

Beyond the "score" (24-7 Del Val), which doesn't mean a whole lot, the Aggies looked alright on offense with Knoblauch getting in a rhythm near the end of the first half. 

Billman's pride-and-joy did a nice job, hitting a 37-yard field goal and going 3-3 on PATs.  And the defense was pretty solid, though it's hard to tell how much was their good play and how much was Ursinus still struggling to find its way.

All in all, a decent showing -- I think last year's scrimmage in Collegeville had a similar "final."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 27, 2005, 08:00:23 PM
http://www.readingeagle.com/re/lead/1418119.asp
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 27, 2005, 08:24:10 PM
Linernation,

if your son hasnt told you, the first thing youll notice at a game is size and speed (even at the d3 level, it's different from HS). If they dont have JV games just support him and possibly go to a few games. If he gets red shirted, thats great, he gets another year. He should learn from the older guys. When I was a frosh, there were 2-3 all conference players ahead of me and i faced an All-American OL everyday in practice, all of this only made me a better player. Plus the off-season workouts will make him better as well.

He's starting all over again. Just like when he was  fros. or soph. in high school.
If he plays as a frosh. that will just be an awsome experience.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2005, 08:33:20 PM
If he gets redshirted it will only be because he got hurt. Non-medical redshirts were eliminated in Division III more than a year ago.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 28, 2005, 02:27:49 PM
really?? thats stupid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2005, 02:35:16 PM
A significant majority of Division III schools didn't think so. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 28, 2005, 05:17:37 PM
Yea those are the people who are not possibly competeing against a ton of upper classmen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2005, 05:42:42 PM
Right. They're the people who believe in the spirit of Division III and other such stuff you might consider to be nonsense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on August 28, 2005, 09:19:45 PM
Pat,

Ive LIVED the spirit of D3 football and I was greatful I was able to get a non-medical red shirt. I dont see the harm since a lot of students dont completely finish school in four years.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2005, 09:26:11 PM
The feeling was that it's an advantage for some schools because a fifth year of school at most places is cost-prohibitive, but not everywhere.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on August 28, 2005, 11:21:04 PM
 :-\ listen ........redshirts shouldnt be given out to whomever thinks they should get another year...then u have teams full of freashman redshirters...thats just one problem....if ur son isnt good enough to play as a freshman it really doesnt mean much, he has plenty of time to move up in the depth chart, just assure him that his hard work wont go unnoticed...i've seen plenty of good ball players quit because they were burried in the chart and they though they shouldve played....there is a reason the coaches were hired...they know what they are doing..........as for me... Widener is going to win the MAC...so i dont care if ur son plays or not....haha j/k remind him its all for fun

let me getta "W"u
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 29, 2005, 01:29:07 AM
Reprise! Reprise! Reprise!

Way to go Gordo. Your fears have been realised.

Quote from: gordonmann on August 17, 2005, 12:47:52 PM
Bman:

I actually had a chance to talk to all 11 head coaches during the offseason while working on the Kickoff Special.  They had a lot of interesting insight which I can't share for fear of reprisal from the Kickoff Special  organizers.  ;)

Just between you and me, here are a few tidbits...

  - Del Val opened camp on Saturday.  Coach Mangus is excited about the crop of O- and D-line recruits.  The Aggies have their Green and Gold scrimmage on Saturday and then scrimmage Ursinus on August 27.

  - I asked Coach Dapp of Moravian if he worried about Jacoubs wearing down given his workload.  His response -- "Jacoubs doesn't get tired."  The Greyhounds scrimmage Franklin & Marshall before opening at home.

- FDU Coach Rich Mosca reports the Devils will have approx. 120 recruits, about the same number as last year.  He'd like to add some lights so the Devils can host a friday night game.  FDU has an open date in week one so they'll scrimmage Saint Lawrence in Albany.

I could tell you more, but then why would you order the Kickoff Special?   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 29, 2005, 09:34:35 AM
Kieth

Not sure what is meant by that post.

Goron

Have read the issue thoroughly, and am interested to know if there are any significant changes in your predictions due to significant injury, surprises etc....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on August 29, 2005, 09:34:47 AM
Any news from albright, Susq, LVC, and lyco camps ?  Any freshman making good impacts yet?

Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 29, 2005, 11:41:57 AM
Bman:

No, I haven't learned anything that change my predictions on the season.

Both Jacoubs (Moravian) and Carmon (Del Val) sat out scrimmages this weekend but both will be ready on Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 29, 2005, 01:46:04 PM
LinerNation, let me guess, your son went to high school at P-Burg?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 29, 2005, 02:04:49 PM
This link has the Express Times Football preview edition, you have to scroll down on the index page to see the MAC preview.
Preview (http://www.nj.com/sports/expresstimes/index.ssf/)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 29, 2005, 02:45:04 PM
Warren

I noticed that there is a Freshman on WU's roster from Annville PA...Isn't that cause for a shun? :)

Will he be allowed home for harvest?!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 29, 2005, 03:18:46 PM
Not only will this deserter be shunned and kept out of harvest, but his hog-calling privileges will be annulled. As well, no restaurant in Lebanon County will ever again serve him shoo-fly pie or scrapple ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 29, 2005, 03:53:57 PM
No Scrapple?  How cruel you people out there are Warren, how cruel!   ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 30, 2005, 02:18:39 AM
LinerNation

Just tell your son to hang in there and he will proceed up the depth chart, and he will get his shot.  For a freshman to break into the starting line up with only a camp for college level experience is a tough call, unless he is extremely talented or very fast and large. Most schools have a limited JV program and that is where he can excell and catch a coaches eye, and succeed. Tell him not to get discouraged as it will only get better for him.  Starting over as a freshman is tough , especially if he was a top dog at his high school.  Tell him to hang tough.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 30, 2005, 12:56:47 PM
i dont think coach mangus showed much in the scrimmage last weekend. moravian is a tough team and a tough opening game. with so many starters back this year they are clearly the favorite to win the mac and make a big run in div III playoffs ...would be interesting to have a rematch with rowan
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 30, 2005, 02:17:49 PM
Summer is over.  DIII is upon us.  Life is grand.

Latest from Chester is that the NexTurf is in and the lights are up.  It looks like WU has retaken the lead in the conference when it comes to facilities.

Go Pioneers
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 30, 2005, 02:19:21 PM
B-Man,

What is that picture?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 30, 2005, 05:50:36 PM
One of my all-time favorite spoof pictures...

It is Steve Bartman popping up from the hole that they found Saddam in...

Bartman being of the Cubs infamous foul ball interfence fame...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 30, 2005, 05:52:35 PM
ps Former WU...

Nice to have you back...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on August 30, 2005, 09:36:25 PM
FormerWU

  Tough to say wu has best facilities, have u seen susq, leb val, plus with the addition of albrights new field
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 30, 2005, 10:20:43 PM
I haven't seen all the fields yet, but Susquehanna's palace is tough to beat.

It's comparable to some of the best Division III facilities around (Cortland, Mount Union, TCNJ).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 30, 2005, 10:45:09 PM
Susquehanna gets my vote. Awesome surface (I think it's FieldTurf) and the fieldhouse is a nice backdrop.

I'm biased to LVC, of course. I've been told the field surface plays perfectly since they regraded it and put new sod in last summer. With the openness and beauty of the northside athletic facilities, and the hills and silos in the distance, it's a nice way to spend an afternoon.

I'm very interested to see how Albright and Widener turn out. But still, considering the neighborhood, I don't know how I'd feel about going to night games in Chester.  And Reading, well... :o

How's Del Val's field looking after the shredding during the Juniata game last year? Did they have to resod it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 30, 2005, 11:36:22 PM
As I mentioned in other posts, LVC will definitely surprise some folks.  Short of DV, I predict they will be competitive with anybody in the MAC.  Their defense is vastly improved, the offensive line has matured, and they got several good frosh that will impact the program.  Someone mentioned early on that there is alot of paridy in the MAC, I could not agree more.  Although I could not attend         inson scrimmage, I heard from reliable sources that LVC clearly dominated.  Go Dutchmen!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 31, 2005, 02:47:37 AM
Ubrmesap..Readytorock...Tim Flynn

G.A. didnt show too much flash in Saturdays scrimmage against Ursinus. I think he wanted to keep a low profile before Moravian and see how the team did against another competitor.

As for their kicker, he has put in a lot of offseason time and effort in getting back to his 2003 form...hoping he has a good year.

As for the DVC field...it has made a comback from the hurricane game but do not know it it was resodded or not. Looks to be in fairly good shape but still could use a lot of TLC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 31, 2005, 09:19:22 AM
I remember way back in the 80's when we played at LVC's field.  The field was like the bunny hill at Camelback.  I think that was where the phrase "Running down hill" was coined.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 31, 2005, 10:03:17 AM
Lycoming has a promising freshman qb if he continues to grow into his potential like he did in HS.  Scott Kish from P-Burg NJ, I saw him play against Warren Hills the last couple of years and he was good.  Lyco has a good linebacker if he is playing from the same school Ryan Kopesky.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on August 31, 2005, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: formerwu on August 31, 2005, 09:19:22 AM
I remember way back in the 80's when we played at LVC's field. The field was like the bunny hill at Camelback. I think that was where the phrase "Running down hill" was coined.

Talking about crappy fields, at Albright a few years ago I got the luxury of playing on painted dirt.  LVC has a real nice field, is there still the ten minute walk over the bridge to get from the visitors locker rooms to the field?  I was tired before we even ran a play that day.  Susquehanna's field is beautiful, field turf definitely seems to be the way to go.  I was always partial to Wilkes and Wideners, I like the kind of nestled feel you get from the being in the valley at Wilkes and the trees at Widener.  Of course if I'm wrong about their locations, I havent been to either in a while and I might be suffering from post traumatic stress disorder from all of the cannons going off the last time I played at Widener!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 31, 2005, 12:18:05 PM
Splik

We only shoot the cannon when we score... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 31, 2005, 12:53:10 PM
i can feel it in me bones...corn is starting to turn brown and harvest time is on the horizone...days are getting shorter and cooler.....it must be football time!!!! I am ready for dvc to put a whoopin' in moravian this weekend and make a statement!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on August 31, 2005, 02:48:19 PM
bman
I knew that.  you just happened to score quite a few times that game hence the PTSD. 

on another note, is john port a 4 year starter?  it seems like people have been talking about him for quite a while.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on August 31, 2005, 03:13:54 PM
formerwu:

Yeah, the camel hump was flattened out last year and now the field is, more or less, flatter.

splik:

No, the locker rooms are now all on the northside in the fieldhouse. It's been that way for a few years now. It used to be that the visiting team's lockers were over in Lynch Hall, where the gym was, and they would have to walk through the quad and over the railroad track bridge. I remember it was sort of bizarre seeing an entire football team walking over in a big line as we'd be walking to lunch around noon before the game. I suppose at any other school, that would be considered intimidating for visiting teams. But since more LVC students probably attend Penn State games than LVC games on a given weekend, I guess it was more like a leisurely stroll.  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 31, 2005, 05:13:40 PM
Splik:

Yep, John's a four-year starter.  He had an extra year of eligibility because of health issues as a college freshman.

On a side note I had a chance to talk to him a little at MAC Media Day.  From the short chat, he seems like a good guy with a good perspective on his future.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 31, 2005, 05:23:36 PM
Tim:

Correct on all counts. Visiting teams no longer have to trek over the bridge over the railroad tracks. LVC has entered the 21st-C.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 31, 2005, 05:49:02 PM
splik

Sorry...missed the obvious...never been accused of being the sharpest knife in the drawer...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 31, 2005, 10:40:29 PM

Pre-game Aggies vs Hounds hype with another Dapp quote on the Warriors at the end...Simba

http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-fbc-smcollegeaug31,0,1348995.story?coll=all-sports-hed
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on August 31, 2005, 11:57:31 PM
Upbrmeasap...

Paint the picture baby,  paint the picture!!!

There is always so much parity in the MAC, as in "any given team on any given Saturday". No team can ever be taken lightly. During my first year as a spectator I was stunned how each team kept coming back. It almost seemed that the team who had the ball last got the "W".

Saturdays game  with DVC at Moravian should be a real barn burner.
Personally, I hope it dosent come down to a field goal to decide the winning team, but it very well may be just that.

AGGIES  28     Moravian  20

GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2005, 11:29:51 AM
Moravian Greyhounds vs. #12 Delaware Valley Aggies

If you can't get to Saturday's game in Bethlehem, you can catch in on the 'net on PnG Sports:

http://www.sportsjuice.com/providers2/index.php?tname=delvalley

Pregame coverage begins at 12:30 as Coach Mangus gives us an extensive look at the team for 2005.  We'll enjoy some of 2004's finer moments one last time and get ready for the big opener with Moravian.

Plus we may even have a special halftime guest.

Drop us a line during the game if you're listening at pngsports@msn.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 01, 2005, 11:30:50 AM
Tim
Intimidating has not been a word usually associated with LVC although they may have improved since I've left college.  
The only place I remember getting heckled was at Moravian on their homecoming.  Three drunken frat boys kept tchanting "Juniata Sucks".  That was the year that game made ESPN because one of Moravian's wide receivers ran straight into the goal post!

Are there any exciting non-conference games with the MAC this year?  Is Lycoming going two years in a row with 10 games?  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2005, 11:53:32 AM
Splik:

The non-conference games are pretty tame.  Every team gets one, except Del Val who actually plays King's in their non-conference affair.  It counts in the standings for the Monarchs, but not the Aggies.

Rest of the non-conference games in order of potential interest...

Widener vs. Salisbury:  Should be a very good game and could impact their playoff hopes.
Moravian vs. Muhlenberg:  Season finale could have playoff implications if the teams don't win their conferences.
King's vs. St. John Fisher:  King's played them tough last year and will get a chance at the upset this weekend.
Lycoming vs. Ithaca:  Hopefully the Warriors will be more competitive, but IC is still a better team.
Wilkes vs. WPUNJ: Good way to start life without Trichilo
FDU-Florham vs. TCNJ: Ambitious draw for the Devils
Juniata vs. Dickinson: This weekend
Susquehanna vs. Ursinus: Ditto
Leb Val vs. Gettysburg: Ditto ditto
Albright vs. Ursinus: Next weekend
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 01, 2005, 01:15:56 PM
billman here is my take on the dvc/moravian game....  looking at the weather looks like a great day to play football. also coaching is a big factor for preparation and making adjustments during the game. couple that with I think knoblach is in for a huge season and looks to make a statement plus so many returning starters. I see dvc pulling away at the end for victory I am thinking a 28-17 score maybe a little higher with the same point differential. assuming the dvc players keep their heads on straight and come to play everygame I see them going thru the mac albeit not necessarily easy. lyco, moravian, albright and widener all are tough teams but i like our coach and team and believe we also now have some depth on our team which we didnt have in the past with injuries.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 02, 2005, 10:46:25 AM
Story from todays Express Times previewing the Moravian Del Val game
Moravian (http://www.nj.com/sports/expresstimes/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1125652143274370.xml&coll=2/)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 02, 2005, 11:08:48 AM
Gordan
I'm sure you've seen the schedule, but FDU actually opens up at home with Del Val before going to CNJ. Nothing like scheduling a cupcake early :) ;D

Seriously, I wish that everyone has a healthy season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 02, 2005, 06:19:30 PM
Warren...

The Flying Dutchmen getting some ink in th Patriot today!...Simba

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1125653038299210.xml&coll=1
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 02, 2005, 07:13:12 PM
Simba:

Thanks for the alert. I looked at the P-N Web-site this morning but failed to notice the LVC mention (it was 6.30 am, and I'd not then had a full cup of coffee).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 02, 2005, 07:32:08 PM
Do we now call Port "The 6 million dollar man"?

http://www.readingeagle.com/re/news/1420550.asp
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on September 02, 2005, 07:32:21 PM
Also a more lengthy LVC preview in the good ol' Leb Daily. http://www.ldnews.com/sports/ci_2996057
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on September 02, 2005, 07:34:24 PM
"We have the technology. We can rebuild him..."

Man, that Shirk Stadium looks NICE.  Seatbacks and all... I might even be tempted to check that out now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on September 03, 2005, 02:14:16 PM
Got a barnburner in Gettysburg - LVC 20, Gettysburg 20 at the half. Ryan Brennan already has 120 yards on the ground on 11 carries, Dan Kelly has 72 yards rushing and 74 passing. 294 yards of total offense for the Dutchmen - a great sign.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 03, 2005, 08:30:02 PM
What a great day for football!!!  Sun , nice teperature, low humidity, and a great out of the blocks win for Del Val!!!  It was a good contest and somewhat of a nail biter until DVC put it in the book.  At one point it could have gone either way but the boys persevered. I, personnaly have not ever observed a QB like Knoblaugh. When he has to get it done, he does it.  Moravian is a good team and should not be taken likely on any day. In my opinion Mat Murphy sealed the game with his clutch Int.

Gordon, couldnt make it to the press box, maybe next week?? Tried to snag you at the track but you seemed to be on a mission...will catch up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 04, 2005, 08:39:54 AM
Happened to be in Bethlehem for the Moravian DVC game.  Very exciting football in the second half.  First half saw Moravian put up only 3 points.  Seemed like when the QB was taken out with a personal foul very late hit, Offense seemed a bit out of sorts.  He returned in the 3rd and the team was fired up.  DVC are a very talented team, especially the Quarterback.  I must admit that with all the preseason DVC hype I expected to see a powerhouse roll to a big win.  Looks to me like, as usual, the MAC can go in any direction at any time.  On the officials front, I hope this was a case of first game jitters.  Too many late flags and inconsistent calling especially in the secondary.  Some of the pass interference calls were amatuer at best.

Looking forward to an exciting season across the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on September 04, 2005, 11:56:26 AM
Was at the del val game on sat....from what i saw it was a good game

del vals defense which held jacoubs in check basically all day look pretty good except for some long balls that got caught...but if the defense plays well del val will be tough to beat...(one big thing is, the db's need to stay healthy)

del val offense look good at times...they drove the ball well but at times had a hard time finishing their drives which needs to change esp in this conference

del val special teams looked a little better from last year but need to find a consistent punter (tried 3 different punters throughout the game)

in other games what happen to leb val...the way you guys were talking i figured they would be able to get past gettysburg.. what happen gettysburg get better or leb val same old leb val... clue me in guys

wow..also what happen to wilkes...very surprised to see they lost esp to willy p
any info on that wilkes fans?

also any news from kings on their game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 04, 2005, 01:24:02 PM
for all the complaining about an interference call late in game going DVC's way, I guess there was a memory lapse concerning some horrific calls in the first 1/2 against the aggies...and the face mask call that even a blind man could see was a phantom call...nice to see aggies overcame all adversity and brought home the W
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 04, 2005, 01:56:33 PM
Actually, there were 3 interference calls against Moravian that were flat out wrong.  I agree that the face mask against DVC was wrong as well.  My point was that the officials operated at a Pop Warner level.

Would have been nice to see what Moravian offense could have done in the first half had it not been for the personal foul against the QB.  Tough way to lose a game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 04, 2005, 04:08:30 PM
Readytorock...Did you happen to see a copy of The Intelligencer, if not have your player pick one up, If not let me know I have an extra. Your guy got some nice PR...

As for the officials, I feel it was 1st game jitters and also some questionable call, but that is almost any game anymore...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 05, 2005, 01:29:39 PM
Readytorock...You read that on here.  Looking forward to Saturday, glad it is a short week, work wise.  I hope the 2nd team gets some experience this week also. I have the paper and will bring it. Look for us in the parking lot.

This week.....Del Val  42    FDU   20.

GURU ??????  Thats rich!!

See ya there
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 05, 2005, 05:02:14 PM
It seems to me to be a good thing that FDU has two starting QBs.  Especially given the personal foul roughing the Quarterback against Moravian.  I find it ironic that in all the banter about the DVC game, nobody adressed my earlier  comment.  A lesser team than Moravian might have felt the need to retaliate, but they appear to have way too much class for that and are too well coached to stoop to a cheap shot to ensure a "W".

Anyway, I wouldn't count too much on a 2nd team against a very hungry and talented FDU program.  Especially since effectively Moravian played one half of Offensive football against a "Nationally ranked" team and had the score 24-22 with 6 minutes remaining.

As I said before, DVC is a very talented team.  It should be a great season and I think they are in for some tough challenges as is every other team in the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on September 05, 2005, 07:20:11 PM
Macfan762,

First of all i don't agree with ur shot at the personal foul call on sat that caused venturino to miss most of the game...it wasn't that late of a hit...it happens, its football...when u rush the qb with the speed these guys are playing with its very hard to just pull up at the last second...and i'm sick of hearing thats why moravian lost -thats not the reason-

First of all you need more then 250 yds of total offense to win a game

Also i haven't heard much bout del vals defense that keep jacoubs in check for 80 yds (when was the last time that happen)

so maybe instead of making an excuse for a personal foul call maybe you should compliment del vals defense for the reason moravian lost

also if the del val offense finished 2 or 3 of their drives that were below the 30 the score wouldn't have been close...

another thing is...if it was wasn't for 2 poorly punted balls that gave moravian great field position they would have never scored...its easier to score with a short field....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 05, 2005, 07:29:57 PM
your ripping the moravian guy for making excuses on why they lost yet you go and make excuses for why the game was close.... ??? ???

interesting....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 05, 2005, 07:54:53 PM
Quote from: Billman56 on September 04, 2005, 04:08:30 PM
Readytorock...Did you happen to see a copy of The Intelligencer, if not have your player pick one up, If not let me know I have an extra. Your guy got some nice PR...

As for the officials, I feel it was 1st game jitters and also some questionable call, but that is almost any game anymore...

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-09042005-536695.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 05, 2005, 08:04:28 PM
Gee Bossman, I didnt realize you were sick of hearing about it as this is the first time anyone on this chatroom acknowledged the comment.  Indeed, Moravian had very good field position due to 3, not 2 weak punts.  DVC's defense is very solid, especially the D-line.  #90 Silver is very fast.

As for the late hit.  I beg to differ, it was very late.  But, as you point out, the Greyhounds had their chances even with a QB who I'm sure was hurting in the 2nd half, from a late flagrant hit to the helmet.  And no, late hits to the QB are not part of the game.  That's why they call it roughing the passer.  It's a penalty.  And yes, when you are so very fast, it is hard to slow up at the last minute, I understand that.  I never said it was intentional.

There are no excuses in football, it is a game of inches and chances.  I am a bit surprised that you guys are expecting the "2nd team" to get time this weekend.  A 31-22 decision based on the facts don't seem to call for that.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2005, 08:21:26 PM
Good to see this room alive for a change.

Here are my $0.02 from this weekend...

  - Del Val was 3 for 3 in the red zone.  I don't remember them missing many opportunities to score more than they did.

- I thought the officials called pass interference tight, but consistent, on both ends.  While the Moravian fans didn't like the erased interception late in the game, it was a penalty from what I saw.  You can't hit the WR after five yards and the bump came way down field.  Would Carmon have caught it without the bump?  I'm not sure, but you can't hit him before the ball arrives to prevent him getting a chance.

There were some other calls - one on Bliss and one on another Moravian - which both looked tight, but consistent.  The only pass interference call I thought was a little rough was where Moravian was flagged for hitting Marshall on fourth down in the first half.  I thought the defender had a five yard buffer zone for hitting a receiver, but the official saw it differently.

- Venturino's a tough dude.  I didn't see the late hit, but he was certainly fired up on the sidelines after the when it was 24-22.  And Chad DeFelice made lots of tackles.

- Very impressive showing by Del Val's run defense.  Thaxton led the team in tackles in his first start, Silver looked quicker and stronger and Albanesius and Pursell played very well.

As for this weekend, I wrote FDU had 100 recruits recruit but that was a mistake.  I meant they had 100+ players total return to camp.  Coach Mosca was very excited about this season when I talked to him in August.


Billman, sorry I missed you.  I got a little lost on the way to Steel Field.  Hopefully I make better time on Saturday and I'll swing by.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 05, 2005, 08:28:09 PM
Indeed DVC looked good.  Not great.  Great would be demolishing a good team.  They did not do that.  Not even close.  Officials are part of the game and every fan sees their actiosn through their own glasses.  I saw the Moravian late push.  That was uncalled for and an appropriate penalty.  I do not have a selective memory, but like all fans I see it as objectively as I can, but as a fan.

How anyone can see a 31-22 win as a basis for planning a season long romp through this tough division is amazing.  I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2005, 09:14:18 PM
Pat Coleman just sent me the following excerpt from the NCAA Rule Book concerning pass interference:

"Defensive pass interference is contact beyond the neutral zone by a Team B player whose intent to impede an eligible opponent is obvious and it could prevent the opponent the opportunity of receiving a catchable
forward pass. When in question, a legal forward pass is catchable. Defensive pass interference occurs only after a legal forward pass is thrown."

So it sounds like even the first half pass interference call on fourth down was justifiable.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 05, 2005, 09:24:31 PM
Bossman,
Pursuant to your inquiry concerning LVC, I will admit I was somewhat surprised.  I expected them to get past Gettysburg.  I did not get to the game, as I had to be out of town for the holiday.  I did listen to the game over the internet and I would attribute the success of Gettysburg to the return of Coach Streeter and the ability
of making the big play.  Gettysburg is a far different team with Streeter at the helm than without.  In reference to your comment concerning this being the usual LVC team,  I still believe this team will finish in the top half of the MAC this season.  Considering this statement, if coming to fruition, would be a big jump for LVC.  LVC historically has had some great players, ie: in 2003 they won one game, however, offensively one could make the argument their skill players were as good as any in the league.  Defensively they were challenged and they had 4 froshmen and one junior starting on the offensive line.  You can't put together a winning program with those type statistics.  This is the first year within recent memory that the school is
giving the program the tools they need to win.  ( 11 coaches and close to 100 kids in camp)  I still very much agree that DV appears to be the team to beat in the MAC.  My question to you is Moravian that good or has DV read too much of the press clippings and took Moravian for granted?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 05, 2005, 09:34:44 PM
Quote from: readytorock on September 05, 2005, 08:07:35 PM
Macfan762: You have a selective memory of game day! Moravian was flagged 7 times for a total of 60 penalty yards including at least one unsportsman like for 15 yards.

Empire8fan: Did anyone ever find out why the St John Fisher Coach called that pass play in the fourth quarter that resulted in the interception and cost them the game against DVC in round 2 of the playoffs last season? For the life of me I can't figure what he was thinking... That QB didn't throw for 50 yards all game.. I guess he had a brain fart!!

??? i dont know, im a AU alum, i have no idea...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2005, 09:48:19 PM
Mojo:

Moravian is very good.  They were selected high in the coaches' poll, got Top 25 votes in ours and certainly weren't overlooked by Del Val.

I don't think Del Val took them for granted.  Two good teams played each other and the outcome was close.  That's not an indictment of either squad.

By the way, congrats to former Aggie, now Rowan Prof Whetstone who -- like Matt Murphy -- intercepted two passes on Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 06, 2005, 11:03:57 AM
It is now Tuesday, no more Monday Morning Quarterbacking.... :P
What are the big matchups for this weekend? 
DVC plays FDU, could FDU go for the big upset like when they got Lycoming a few years back?  Over 100 players seems like a good start for that program. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 06, 2005, 11:19:57 AM
Of all the match-ups this week, I'd circle Leb Val and King's.  Both come of disappointing, but non-conference, openers so this is sort of like a fresh start.

If Leb Val is going to crack into the upper half of the conference, they have to win this game.  I'm surprised King's gave up as many points as they did to SJF, so we'll see how they fare against Kelly and company.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 06, 2005, 12:16:43 PM
here here...bottom line is injuries and bad calls are a part of the game and good teams find a way to over come them. so cheers to dvc for a solid win against against a very good moravian team. i couldnt make the game but sounds like knoblauch should be called the ice man he is definetly cool under pressure... i am looking forward to a dvc-fdu game this week. it should be a good game. so enough with complaining about late hits and bad calls the game is over and the next game is on the horizon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on September 06, 2005, 08:38:16 PM
Gordon:

And let's not forget the OT finish to last year's LVC-King's game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 06, 2005, 10:14:17 PM
Macfan762
   Get over the late hit call and move on.....I saw the game and personally didnt feel it was that late of a hit. Unfortunately it hurt Moravian and so goes the game. It could have been Del Vals OB that went down also...thats the game they play...football. As a fan you should know this.

Bossman05 is right on the money with his comments.

This is a much faster game than the one we used to play and unfortunately injuries are more prevalent at this level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 07, 2005, 01:01:31 AM
Gordon...Have we lost that many posters during the change to this new format??? I miss all the trash talk and hype....where is everyone???


Macfan762...The mark of a great team in my opinion is consistent winning....they try and do most everything right. By running it up on every opponet is not the sign of a great team. Saturdays game between Moravian and DVC was a good game.  I guess if Moravian ran it up on Del Val then they would be a great team in your opinion???  Every team has to put up with referees and thats something we as fans or even the team coaches cannot control so we have to live with their calls.   A romp through the MAC is winning each game as they come along. That is the mark of a Great team.  There is, in my opinion, no romping through the MAC as there exists so much parity in all the teams that once again "any given team, on any given Saturday..."

BTW.....who is the team you pull for week in and week out???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 07, 2005, 08:23:44 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 06, 2005, 11:19:57 AM
Of all the match-ups this week, I'd circle Leb Val and King's.  Both come of disappointing, but non-conference, openers so this is sort of like a fresh start.

If Leb Val is going to crack into the upper half of the conference, they have to win this game.  I'm surprised King's gave up as many points as they did to SJF, so we'll see how they fare against Kelly and company.

Considering that Kings had 19 starters back yeah im surprised as well....i figured w/ all that fisher lost the game would be much closer. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 07, 2005, 09:51:50 AM
I believe it is clear that I've dropped the subject days ago.  I give you DVC guys credit.  You have a funny way of zeroing in on one aspect of a non-DVC fan's post and dwelling on it days after it is dropped.  However, other points like the inconsistency between DVC's good (not at all great) performance and the belief that the DVC 2nd team will see time against FDU get ignored.  Let's see what the season brings.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 07, 2005, 10:27:59 AM
macfan we may zero in but you dont answer the question....2 posts above your last post it is asked which team you pull for week in and out? but alas you dont answer and just continue to stir the pot....and yes dvc second teamers very well may see time against fdu this weekend. so pls enlighten us with your team and more of your wisdom and prediction of the outcome of the dvc/fdu game this weekend...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 07, 2005, 11:13:26 AM
In one of my earlier posts, I indicated that I was a fan of Moravian.  As for the pot, it seems to do a good job stirring on it's own.  I am new to this website and the posting area.  I think it would be much more interesting if other people would post objective views.  It gets a little boring trying to predict whether DVC will be good, great or tremendous on a particular weekend.  I am not a believer in trash talking, but that's just me.  Just remember, the more you guys pump up, the bigger the target.  A few years ago, everybody wanted to beat the Dallas Cowboys, now, nobody could care less.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 07, 2005, 11:47:35 AM
I'd never thought I'd see the day that all anyone wants to talk about it Delaware Valley.  It used to be all of the Widener & Lycoming alums monopolizing the board.  BTW how good are they this year?  I saw Lyco has not played yet and opens with my favorite team this weekend.  Did Widener play and were they any good? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 07, 2005, 11:56:44 AM
lyco who??? widener who??? never heard of those schools....  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 07, 2005, 01:11:27 PM
I havnen't heard anything yet from Chester.  Will know soon enough.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2005, 01:39:03 PM
Widener, like Lycoming, Albright and FDU-Florham, was idle last week.

They open with Wilkes this weekend in Edwardsville.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 07, 2005, 03:49:00 PM
I'm not sure what anybody's thought's on Albright are?  I know they haven't played yet so this weekend will tell.  I saw Port play last year and he is an excellent QB.  Looking forward to seeing how they do this weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on September 07, 2005, 07:27:51 PM
 
Macfan762,
  Sorry to say it but i disagree again...The Cowboys are still americas team and will always be...even though they might not be as good as they were once they will always have that stigma about them(i dunno if you rem they also made the year b4 last) but anyway are you saying just b/c lyco had a bad year last year no one would care if they beat them this year... i don't think so whenever lyco is on ur sched its a big game no matter what their record is or was the year b4

another thing we should all want the pot to be stirred thats why we are all here right???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on September 07, 2005, 09:01:46 PM
At the risk of opening a large can of worms - the Cowboys aren't America's team. Their team jersey sales were sixth in the NFL last year - behind Philly, New England, Pittsburgh, Oakland, and Green Bay. They lack the iconic players of the 90's like Aikman and Irvin and Smith. And most importantly, with Houston and Detroit's new cribs, they're no longer the only team in the league with a hole in the roof so God can watch too  ;D

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2005, 09:50:47 PM
Just to join the fun, I agree with Flynn.

There's a generational element to the claim that Dallas is "America's team."  It stems from a 1979 highlight video with a name that stuck.  See here for details - http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/America's-Team.

But someone my age or younger who's not a Cowboys fan probably doesn't relate to that era.  I know about Staubach and Landry, but their historic signficiance isn't any more vibrant to me than the "Purple People Eaters" in Minnesota or the "Steel Curtain" in Pittsburgh.  "America's team" is just another nickname associated with a particular era.

But the Cowboys were dominant in the 1990s...

That alone doesn't make them America's team.  The 49ers were dominant in the 80s and the Patriots have been more than okay this decade.  But I wouldn't characterize either one as "America's team" based on their dominance, even with the nationalist New England nickname.

But the Cowboys have a national following...

In the age of Direct TV, internet coverage and a proliferation of other ways to follow most teams from any point in the country, the Cowboys' national prominence fades.  When there was relatively limited media attention, the Cowboys may've enjoyed prevalent coverage that gave them a following outside Dallas.  But in this age, I can pretty make any team I want my team regardless of where I live.

As living evidence of this, I'm a Bucs and Raider fan living in Philadelphia.  Though I must admit the E-A-G-L-E-S are a nice way to bring community spirit to the City.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 08, 2005, 06:44:34 PM
Please keep the discussion to items of the Middle Atlantic Conference and Division III.

Thank you.

That is all.

I am the walrus.  Koo-koo-kachoo.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2005, 12:04:44 AM
We interrupt this message board to bring you a programming note...

#10 Delaware Valley vs. FDU-Florham
Listen to the game here - http://www.sportsjuice.com
Pregame coverage at 12:30 PM, kickoff at 1 PM.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled random 60s music quotes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 09, 2005, 09:24:18 AM
aint no thing....dvc wins going away....i feel a 35-14 score with dvc a little slow coming out of the gate with a emotional game last week against moravian but wake up in the second quarter and go about their business and take over the game at that point....GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 09, 2005, 10:22:54 AM
Ubrmeasap....Dosent it seem that DVC always get off to a slow start. I dont know why that is but I observed it last year too. It seems like they had to be slapped in the face to get the adrenaline pumping or something. I forsee a big scoring day for the Aggies but not until the second quarter and then the wheels may fall off for FDU. However last year FDU played tough all day, as I remember. I  know they refurbished their stadium and hope they updated the visitor side. Those bleachers were something to behold.
GO AGGIES!!!

MacFan762...Dont be thin skinned here, let it all hang out...This board used to be brutal, with all of the trash talking, and it was fun reading the posts...I think many of the posters have not picked up this new site or havent registered.   It seems like all of the Lyco, Wilkes, and Albright fans have hibernated early, dont know why, the season is still young...What about it Simba, havent heard any acid balls from you in a while...Away on business???

Albright...I feel Port is going to have a very good year...but not as good as last year???  His receiving corp. graduated and we all know he can deliver the ball in the right spot but can the newbies catch them??




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 09, 2005, 10:47:49 AM
Billman, To answer your question, the newbies at Albright (The new receiving core) has quite a lot of talent.  From what I have heard they are very athletic, and seem to be very hungry.  Overall though they are going to be a very talented group, young, but talented.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on September 09, 2005, 11:23:25 AM
well fellas ill tell u what.....widener is ready for wilkes...... the trickster is no more and i wasnt too impressed with the off. perf. last week...i dont think wilkes will win 3 games this year......but then again they have one game under their belt and this is widener's opening week...that is a bigger advantage then most think........by the way wilkes is no univ. of penn. and widener smashed heads with them last week at franklin field....i read a comment in an earlier post about all the del val talk and i agree...enough...how about the other teams....and yes port of albright can throw the ball of course he can he is a delaware county product...ne who it should be an interesting week .....

p-i-0-n-e-e-r-s
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 09, 2005, 11:39:44 AM
Billman

We are just coming out of hibernation....I guess I'll start out the brutality...

The last D3 game I saw was last year DVC against Rowan.  I was hoping the MAC had a good showing against the Beasts of Brown.

It's true that DVC got off to a slow start in that game...they then got slapped in the face, and responded by rolling over....!  Some showing... ;D

also, you should know that Simba only comes out after Lyco victories...so we should see him about 3 times this year.... :P

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 09, 2005, 12:10:56 PM
smashing heads in a scrimmage is a lot different than a real game, but Widener may be very good for all I know.  did anyone really answer how good lycoming is supposed to be this year? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 09, 2005, 12:20:43 PM
lyco who???? arent they a community college?  ( i say that to bug my sister who is a alum....)  yes the beasts of brown took it to dvc last year but let us not forget the following week talk about rolling over rowan got taken out behind the woodshed and beaten like a rented mule....that was a classic i am far away from home and just want to get out of here....fdu's beating comes this week with wilkes on deck and lyco's smashing in the hole!!! GO AGGIES!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 09, 2005, 12:23:58 PM
yes billman i dont know why dvc tends to start out a little slow but they need to wake up earlier because at some point it may catch up with them. i am not sure whether the coaches need to do it or the captains and seniors but they need to come out of the chute much quicker
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 09, 2005, 12:28:11 PM
Predictions for 9/10

Widner over Wilkes
Moravian over Susquehanna
Delaware Valley over FDU
King's over Lebanon Valley
Albright over Ursinus
Lycoming over Juniata

Opinions appreciated...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2005, 12:52:11 PM
Rosey:

I'd agree with one exception -- Leb Val over King's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 09, 2005, 01:07:20 PM
Thanks, Gordon ... I guess.

Hope you didn't put the hex on the Valley.  ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 09, 2005, 01:23:40 PM
gordonmann:

Very interesting... I didn't think people would give Leb Val that much credit.  I thought that it was easy to pick King's over Leb Val, but you think different.. fair enough... we will see this weekend of course.. good luck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 09, 2005, 01:24:45 PM
This is a story about Moravian from todays Express-Times:
Moravian  (http://www.nj.com/sports/expresstimes/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1126257008259590.xml&coll=2)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 09, 2005, 02:00:45 PM
LVC over Kings is a sure thing, as long as Kelly is healthy.  This kid is as much a threat on the ground as he is in the air.  Not your usual D3 QB.  Everybody wants to talk about Port, he definitely is good, but he is a drop back pro style QB.  He is not much of a threat on the ground. If he has protection, he will kill you in the air.  Kelly, although a good passer, probably is a better runner.  This kid has wheels.  Go Dutchmen! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 09, 2005, 02:33:07 PM
Is Kelly from LVC running or running for his life?  What kind of offense does LVC run and are they any good at it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2005, 02:53:11 PM
Rosey:

For what it's worth, I think Leb Val's offense with Kelly and his receivers can score.  I'm less confident in King's ability to do so.

Now Leb Val's defense is another story...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bziadie on September 09, 2005, 03:09:06 PM
Gordon, and that assesment comes from the fact you have seen how many King's games the past three years........????   ;)

I think the answer may be one (1)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bziadie on September 09, 2005, 03:12:26 PM
.....and that was last season. :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2005, 03:19:42 PM
I believe Gordon has seen King's play each of the past two seasons -- against Wilkes in 2003 and Delaware Valley in 2004.

And I saw them score seven last week against St. John Fisher. Fisher isn't exactly a defensive juggernaut -- allowed 23 a game last year.

I'm definitely going to defend our guys' right to express their opinion because I know I can trust them to punditize (?) responsibly. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 09, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: upbrmeasap on September 09, 2005, 12:20:43 PM
rowan got taken out behind the woodshed and beaten like a rented mule....

So does that mean that DVC got beaten like the rented mules, rented mule?   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2005, 03:58:31 PM
Actually if we go three years from September 9, 2005, I've seen them three times -- Wilkes, Del Val and Widener in 2002. 

That clearly makes me an expert.  ;)

In all seriousness, I'm not an expert on King's offense.  I just have more trust in Leb Val's offense with their best player back (Kelly) than King's without their's (Jackson).  Barnic was just 8 for 22 last year against a dreadful Dutch pass defense and that was with a running back who could take pressure off him.

Again, just my opninion.  That combined with a dime gets you a steaming cup of JACK SQUAT to quote the late comedian who lived in a van down by the river.

If I'm wrong it won't be the first (or last) time.  :)

Stalker:

I figured, at Del Val, they would choose not to beat donkeys or other important partners in the agricultural process.  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 09, 2005, 04:06:56 PM
<<I figured, at Del Val, they would choose not to beat donkeys or other important partners in the agricultural process.   >>

hey now!!! :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 09, 2005, 11:02:48 PM
In reference to LVC's Kelly running vs running for his life, it probably is a little of both.  However, keep in mind with the exception of Mike Dougherty (graduated), this is virtually the same oline the past 3 seasons, with one more left.  Experience is a great teacher.  Granted, there are superior olines in the MAC, however Kelly has it better than his predessor.  Also, Monas runs a fullback in his offense, Selechia didn't giving the QB a little more protection than in the past.  Defense is still suspect.  For LVC to achieve being in the upper half of the MAC, (Like I think they can), the D is going to have to pick it up.  Remember Kelly rushed for over 100 yards against Gburg and passed for substantial yards.  When comparing Kelly to his peers in the MAC ,there is probably not another QB in the league that is as much of a threat on the ground.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: OLDAGGIE72 on September 10, 2005, 04:54:02 PM
Great Job Aggies!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 10, 2005, 05:36:25 PM
Very disappointed to see the LVC-Kings score today.  Starting the season at 0-2 was not what I had envisioned for this year's team.  I was not at the game and did not get to listen on the webcast, although I did listen to the webcast of the G-Burg game.  Does anyone who saw the game have any insight into why we have started 0-2? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 10, 2005, 06:17:22 PM
Aggies 49 - FDU - 3

Yeah, Aggies...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 10, 2005, 06:31:43 PM
that was 588 total offensive yards! Knoblauch 19 of 33 for 281 and Carmon had 8 catches for 161 yards  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2005, 08:12:09 PM
Not so great moments in sports predictions...

"I really don't think the Jets can win the Superbowl, no matter what Namath says..."

"No one's beating the Red Army hockey team in the Olympics..."

"For what it's worth, I think Leb Val's offense with Kelly and his receivers can score.  I'm less confident in King's ability to do so."

Okay, so I'm a doofus.  A doofus who was wrong about King's.  A doofus who was very wrong about King's.  :-X

I revoke my own privileges to talk about the Monarch's offense until I clear my thoughts with Bob Ziadie.

Seriously, nice job by the Monarchs.    My sincere apologies, Bob. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 10, 2005, 08:16:39 PM
Wow!  What happened at the Albright game???  Is Ursinus that tough of a team this year???  I was very surprised to see how close that game was.

Also, what's up with the HUGE scoring of points???  Iwas reading the scoreboard and there was a game 69-62 plus lots of scores in the 40's and 50's while the opponents were very low scoring.  Don't these teams put their secondaries in???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2005, 09:14:47 PM
Specialist:

ReadytoRock was at Del Val's game so he knew about Miller.

You were at Albright's game and knew about their kicker.  Seems fair to me.  Whatever the award is, I hope he shares it with Port. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 10, 2005, 10:01:40 PM
dog...thankd for the quick update on Albrights "Newbie" receiving corp...looking forward to that game an observing the talent.  I will be checking their stats on the MAC website.  Sounds like Albright wasnt firing on all 8 today??

bman...Sorry, I lost my head regarding Simba.  I think we may hear from him maybe 4 times this year???

MacFan762.....49-3 DVC at FDU...Yes that was a romp.

Gordo....what is the PAT conference record??

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 10, 2005, 10:11:02 PM
MOJO...I havent observed Kelly this year but when comparing QBs' as a ground threat you may want to take a look at DVCs' Knoblauch. He has a great set of wheels. Today he ran down a player who made a pic on him approximately 70 yards and caught him from behind. He is a definite threat by ground or air.

Readytorock...nice game for your guy today, especially in the end zone...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 10, 2005, 10:30:19 PM
Ubrmeasap......Well here it was again today, another slow start for DVC...7-3 1st quarter.  Maybe we have to beat that mule in pregame to get him fired up??? Any suggestions.

MacFan....Just FYI, the 2nd team for DVC played most of the 4th quarter. I know I was presumpious in preditcing that, but then again it was only a prediction. Look like your team had a good day. Congrats...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 11, 2005, 02:00:29 AM
Billman,
Albrights O seemed decent today.  Not their usual selves all and all, but the youg wr's played well.  The game was so close due to the fact that the Albright Special Teams unit manged 5 turnovers.  Including a fumble on the opening kick.  The D played great, and The O, especially some of the young wideouts looked pretty good throughout (although the offense was barley on the field in the first quarter) they came back from a 24 - 0 (special teams) deficit.  And played big at the end. IMHO they will be a very tough team throughout the year. A wins a Win right?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 11, 2005, 10:45:23 AM
dog...sounds like the team is just geeting started, getting the kinks out...Yes a "W" is a "W" as long as it is in the right column...Good Luck
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 11, 2005, 11:28:24 AM
I have to admit, I am pretty bummed about WUs start.  I was hearing good things, but it seems that every year recently, they trip themselves up at the beginning of the season, and by the end of the season are in a win at all costs mode...which they haven't done....

Anybody see the game/have some analysis?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 11, 2005, 12:12:31 PM
Gosh, did I make a wrong call.  I was certain that LVC would handle Kings.  I was wrong!  Kings played a great game.  I will still remain hopeful for the Dutchman, but they are now at crunch time, with their toughest games yet to come.  If they don't take care of business this week with Juniata, it appears the program is losing ground from last year.  How good is Lyco?  Concerning Knoblauch vs Kelly being a threat on the ground, Knoblauch is playing behind a superior o-line and seldom gets flushed from the pocket.  Historically, being a LVC QB is akin to being a kamikaze pilot.  Minimal protection and massive impact at the conclusion of the mission (play).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 11, 2005, 02:49:02 PM
Also to correct Specialist, I believe there was only 1 int on Albright.  It was early in the game, and from what I saw Byron Haupt, who played exceptional, was maulled by an Ursinus LB, and the centennial refs closed their eyes to it. Which gave Ursinus the INT. If Haupt was not molested I am sure he would have been on his way to the endzone
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 11, 2005, 05:08:32 PM
MOJO...Good luck to Kelly this season except when he comes to Doylestown..."Banzai"!!!!!!!!!


bman....I sat down with Coach Brown during recruiting, didnt think he had it together at that time, do you think he is in over his head???  There was a lot of talent there then and I am not aware of the talent there ow. any ideas??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 11, 2005, 08:19:03 PM
Specialist 13...What were  ACs kickers numbers...The career record was held by Dennis Unger, also from Albright and the number was 121 PATS. Congrats to the kicker for this acomplishment. 

I guess that leaves the DVC kicker this year and next to break the new record???

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 11, 2005, 10:06:38 PM
New D3 poll is out.  Albright fell off of spot #25.  Come on Albright - we need more MAC teams in there!   :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 11, 2005, 10:23:07 PM
Albright's problem was fumbling 3 kick/punt returns.  2 of those, and Port's INT resulted in 17 Ursinus points.

I'll be in Chester on Saturday for Lyco/Widener.  Good history between those two.  Should be good to see both.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 12, 2005, 09:57:37 AM
I read the game recap on LVC's website this morning and was surprised by two things.  First, we threw three interceptions, two of which were in the red zone (and one of those was picked in the endzone).  Second, last week's leading rusher, Ryan Brennan, didn't appear to get many carries, as our leading rusher was Payton with 49 yards on 7 carries.  Did Kelly have an off day, or were the interceptions the product of too much pressure on the QB, or were the receivers to blame?  Was Brennan hurt?

Another thing-the defense definitely appears to have taken a step back from last year, giving up 34 and 27 in the first two weeks compared to (if I remember correctly) 3 and 0 in the first two weeks of 2004.  I anticipated that the defense would be a strength this season.  Any insight?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 12, 2005, 10:17:28 AM
Billman

FormerWu is a better person to respond to that question.  He is closer to the coaching staff, than I am...

I will ask him to respond.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 12, 2005, 10:35:55 AM
bman...Keep the faith .....it is the opening game. They will respond and come back hard. Now if they dont, some major adjustments need to be made, personnel wise or maybe in the inner circle???
WU has always played everyone tough and I look for that next week against Lyco...should be another great MAC contest.

Also looking forward to FormerWUs' insight.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 12, 2005, 11:24:30 AM
billman, i thought dvc might start out slow after the emotional win the week before and take over in the second quarter. the key to me will be in a couple of weeks against lyco they better not fall behind early, coach girardi has had this game circled for a while now on his calendar the positive for dvc is lyco has a emotional game against widener this week and it is tough to get up 2 weeks in a row.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 12, 2005, 12:18:41 PM
Any Widener Alums going to be at the game this weekend ? I will be. Can't wait !!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 12, 2005, 12:31:39 PM
Chum Slam...Where have you been hiding??? It is week three coming up...have looked for your posts.


ubrmeasap....Yeah another slow start. I wasnt too concerned only because it was FDU, and I am NOT slamming the school or team by any stretch. Just saying that they have to step up either talent or coaching as they have the numbers. Again it is only MY OPINION!!

This week should be a better test and look for the same result...a "W". 

Aggies...36...Wilkes...14

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Albright special teams
Post by: patron2 on September 12, 2005, 01:24:22 PM
If I were the head coach at Albright... My special teams guys would have had two options after the game..

Option #1, walk home.
Option #2, run along side the bus with your hand slammed in the door.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 12, 2005, 03:04:23 PM
Billman - I don't know how we put up a goose egg this weekend.  I haven't seen the team yet this year.  I usually try to make the Penn scrimmage, but was too busy.  I spoke with Coach Wood at the golf outing this summer.  He was very upbeat and confident.  He got his usual slew of incoming freshman this year, and a good core of returning players to build upon.

It is hard to imagine that a WU team would have trouble scoring points.  I am confident the right adjustments will be made before Saturday.... I hope.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bziadie on September 12, 2005, 03:16:26 PM
Gordon:

Thanks for the apology, but was not needed. I was just saying that King's only played one game you weren't there. I know if I had not seen a team play I would not feel compelled to offer that type of an assesment.  I know Pat was there and that first game was not pretty so he would have been a little more qualified to make that statement.

What most people don't know is that a lot of new stuff was added to the offense, such as four receiver sets, bunch sets, and the shotgun for the first time ever, and that first week the team really struggled.  King's threw the ball 38 times and only ran the ball like 33 times against SJFC, but ran it pretty well, averaging 4.5 yards per-carry. Against LVC, I had a feeling it was  going to be "old school" King's with a greater committment to the run.  Also, several changes on defense to get more speed on the field made a difference, at least in this game. Who knows what the future holds. With a very good Moravian team next week, I am sure lots of questions remain to be answered.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 12, 2005, 03:50:25 PM
Just wasnt thinking about posting til I realized Wideners biggest game was coming up. I can not wait. I still remember beating them 35-o at their house, best feeling ever.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: smarty on September 12, 2005, 04:27:47 PM
Anyone have any insight on the Lyco/ Juniata game?  I have not even had the time to look at the summary.  Does Lyco have the ship righted this year or is Juniata just that bad or is it both (seems likely)? 

Edit: from the game summary seems like Lyco has found their running game again, I hope they keep up the good work.  Congrats on step one Warriors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 12, 2005, 06:09:05 PM
As for Bob Ziadie's comments...

I think SJF showed just how strong they are once again after another huge blowout.  The final score from this week's game against Rochester is inflated b/c the starters didn't play for the final third of the game. 

Interesting that Hopkins scored 9 points on Roch and SJF scores 50-some.

I think King's should rebound after a brutal week one.  Props to them for scheduling a tough opponent.  It doesn't happen all that much anymore.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 13, 2005, 09:08:28 AM
I was at the lyco.juniata game,  juniata just couldn't get anything going.  Lyco's defense was solid, and the offense moved the ball consistently, with a few big plays mixed in.  Both teams had plenty of turnovers.  If lyco can protect the ball on offense and the D continues to get better- they could makes some noise in the mac.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bziadie on September 13, 2005, 11:05:45 AM
Pat:
I would agree about SJFC being a very good team. They were very impressive against King's and a lot of people involved with the program think they are a better team than last year, even with some of their personnel losses. That remains to be seen, but they are certainly a quality team.  Coach Mannello said before the SJFC game that he wanted to play a tough non-conference game in week one because he did not want to go into the MAC opener not knowing what the team's weaknesses were until the game was half over.  That said, there are eight games left and the personnel and philosphical changes against LVC worked, but there are plenty of tough teams on the schedule so we will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 13, 2005, 12:22:40 PM
Does anyone out there know where the kicker from Lyco went or did he just not want to continue playing? Chris Shrader was a very good kicker but had an off year last season. he was ALL MAC 1st Team as a Freshman in 2003.

Also, I see Kevin Keller came back to the MAC after 2 seasons with LVC and didnt play last year and is now at Wilkes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LurkinMomma on September 13, 2005, 12:34:15 PM
I asked my son the same question....
He believes that Shrader's grades also had an off year and he transfered to a community college.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 13, 2005, 01:39:55 PM
LurkinMomma...Thanks for the info. Kid had a lot of talent then again, academics have to be there also. Kids....Right...go figure.

Are you a lyco fan I take it??? What is the prediction for the rest of the season after last week??
Good Luck!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LurkinMomma on September 13, 2005, 01:56:42 PM
 ;D Really.... How do you think a players Mom would be likely to answer that?

Actually, my boy says they are very confident in what they are capable of, strongly motivated and ready to prove that last year was a fluke. He was part of the 2003 Champ team and feels like things are back on that track. To me they looked awesome!

I know nothing about football which is why I read the boards. I try to get a feel for what's going on around the division so I might have a clue when at the games.  That's why I don't add to the discussions (note my screenname).

.......................... back to Lurking  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 13, 2005, 03:16:41 PM
LurkinMomma

Thanks for the reply. Yes you will learn some things here. I have also learned that you can never count a MAC team out of a game as there is so much parity within the conference. A Lyco team is almost always respected before the playing begins and also during the game. Well thanks for your insight to the current team and will see you in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 13, 2005, 04:18:12 PM
my prediction....  Ugly defensive game, WU 13 Lyco 7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: smarty on September 13, 2005, 04:43:06 PM
Quote from: Chum Slam on September 13, 2005, 04:18:12 PM
my prediction....  Ugly defensive game, WU 13 Lyco 7

A low scoring Lyco/ Widener game?  what has the world come to?  Not like the good old days...

Despite the fact I have not been paying particuarly close attention, I'm going to say Lyco 17, Widener 13
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 08:41:46 AM
Definately not the 50-49 double overtime thrillers we used to have. But last years 7-0 was a great game also. I look forward to another knock down drag out game.  What a day I have also Widener-Lyco, Delaware-WC, then bachelor party for a friend !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 14, 2005, 08:43:34 AM
I also think the lyco /widener game will be a low scoring ugly affair....lyco 17..Wid 13.
the difference will least turnovers and the better D.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 14, 2005, 08:48:52 AM
enuf lyco/widener stuff they are a bunch of has beens   ;)    ...lets talk now and future about dvc and they are going to open up a giant size can of whoop arse on wilkes!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 10:16:09 AM
Bunch of has beens? DVC is a bunch of never beens. One good season does not give anyone the right to say teams with rich histories are has beens.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 14, 2005, 10:24:40 AM
those that can do those that cant talk about their rich histories!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 10:26:27 AM
? complete sentences man !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 14, 2005, 11:38:45 AM
It has been more than one good season for DVC and Lyco is not a has-been, they were just in the playoffs two? years ago.  However, "rich histories" is a pretty lame thing to say.  Did Moravian recover from their defeat at the hands of DVC?  I have not heard anything about Susquehanna, are they not supposed to be the "next big thing" again?  I swear they were "the next big thing" for like 7 years running.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 11:42:12 AM
How is that lame?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 14, 2005, 12:05:25 PM
last i checked and looked at dvc's last 2 seasons i believe their record was more than respectable 'twas it not?  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 12:08:16 PM
Very respectable, I am not saying a bad word about them. However to call Widener/Lyco (especially Widener) has beens is a bit ridiculous. Congrats to the Aggies and aall of their accomplishments.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 12:24:34 PM
I do not know why the decision was made to take points off the board, however I can tell you the man only does things that give his team the best chance to win. Im not talking about the Johnson era, Im talking about the Jones/Colemen era. 28-2 in 3 seasons in MAC play. national Semis and National Quarters. If the entire coaching staff had not left I feel Widener would have continued its dominance of the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 14, 2005, 12:29:11 PM
Jones/Coleman were truly special players.. I dont know that Widener would have had the same level of success, but certainly more successful then they have been if the coaching staff would not have left...  Those 2 kids were phenominal and I would have liked to have seen the teams that beat those two guys in the playoffs..

The MAC is getting pretty competitive now... I think it will only make for a stronger post season performance from the conference champion.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 12:33:02 PM
Mount Union Double teamed both all day and we couldnt run the ball. Bridgewater built a big lead early and held onto it. Both phenomenal teams, however we should have won both games.

9-1 the year after Jones/Coleman left...... Coaching was definately good.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 14, 2005, 01:56:57 PM
There is no doubt that Zwaan was a winner, and (in my opinion) WU would have finished higher in the standings if he were still here...but...remember that Wood took over a situation that seemed to be(info 2nd hand) in disarray....

He has had 3 years to get competitive...let's see how it pans out this year...

Quote from: upbrmeasap on September 14, 2005, 08:48:52 AM
enuf lyco/widener stuff they are a bunch of has beens ;) ...lets talk now and future about dvc and they are going to open up a giant size can of whoop arse on wilkes!!! ;D

upbrmeasap - do you want me to send you the 81 stagg bowl video, so you know what a MAC national championsip team looks like? ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 01:59:56 PM
Woody will right the ship, theres no doubt in my mind.

And good call with the 81' Stagg Bowl tape.

When did you play?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 14, 2005, 02:58:28 PM
"Never has beens" are you kidding me? A team goes a whole regular season without a single loss and they are "Never has beens"  Give me a break!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
They are players in the conference but have never been National Contenders, ever.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2005, 03:39:00 PM
That depends on how you define "national contenders."

Do you have to win the region to be a national contender? 

If so, Del Val is out.  So is Lycoming in recent years (1999 and on) since the closest they've come was the 2003 regional finals lose.  Using that criteria, only Widener has been a national contender by reaching the semifinals in 2001.  Of course, their "contention" took the form of a 40-point beating in Alliance.

If we expand the definition to regional finals - two wins from the Stagg Bowl - then Lycoming, Del Val and Widener have all been national contenders recently.

Or we could take a more qualitative definition -- it's not how far you get in the playoffs, but how likely you are to win a title.  If that's our definition, we can cross out the whole East region save Rowan post 1999.

While I enjoy the banter more than silence, it seems like the rhetoric is pretty elevated on both sides.

Lycoming's decades of success and a coach who's a proven winner prevent any "has been" label in my mind.  Heck, if they beat Widener on Saturday, the Warriors are in the thick of the conference race again.  If they win the MAC this year, 2004 starts to look like an aberation, not the end of an era.

Similarly Widener has enjoyed a farther run than any other MAC team since 1999.  For a group of "has beens,' they were very close to beating Del Val last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 14, 2005, 03:49:54 PM
Gordon,
I sure hope that you don't think That I was saying that any team is a "has been" I was defending Del Val, not jumping on the "has been wagon" :-*
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 14, 2005, 03:51:44 PM
Did I just blow Gordon a kiss?

let's try another smiley    ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 14, 2005, 03:52:50 PM
yes by all means pls send me the '81 tape make sure to dust it off...they had video tape that long ago??? that was about the time cars were invented correct? lincoln was president i believe.... oh brother you people sound like bosox fans before last season....::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 14, 2005, 04:07:16 PM
Chum

Check your e-mail

Also a good friend of mine was on the 81 team.  I didn't know a thing about WU prior to him going there...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 14, 2005, 04:08:08 PM
The tape is probably on Beta.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 04:10:10 PM
Oh I am sorry gordon, Our contention took us through a very tough eastern bracket (all 3 wins vs top 25 teams)with some huge wins on the road for a young team. And the 40 point loss at MUC, we should have won the game, there is no doubt in my mind. and the following year we beat the #3 team in the country in W&J. But we wouldnt know anything about being contenders. Plain and Simple DVC is not on the WU and Lyco plain yet, I believe they will be soon but not yet.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 14, 2005, 04:13:39 PM
Gordon

Apparently my pot stirring worked!

My opinion is that if you make the playoffs you are a contender.  I would hope that MAC fans support any of the teams that make it out of the conference.   I made it to the DV RU quarter final last year, and was rooting for DV...

upbrmeasap

They have these machines now that convert film to tape and DVDs....theyr'e pretty amazing...what will they thnk of next.  PS I guess I'll have to convert some of my 8 tracks now.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 04:16:17 PM
I support all MAC teams in the playoffs, in my soph. year I was pleasantly suprised to see half of Lyco's team at our Hobart game. It meant alot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 14, 2005, 04:18:43 PM
bman....LOL good stuff!!!!   :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 14, 2005, 04:30:40 PM
chum
how can you lose by 40 and say you should have won the game?  I can understand losing by a td or 3, but 40?  didnt they score 70?

Enough about ancient history.  who's winning their games this week?  Can Wilkes slow down DVC?  Who'll win the battle of the winless between Juniata and LVC?  Will Widener-Lyco live up to recent history? 
I say no, Juniata, and I dont know. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 14, 2005, 04:34:12 PM
Chum

I was at that game as well...amused myself most of the game by mocking some Hobart fans next to me about those hideously ugly unis... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 14, 2005, 04:34:56 PM
Gordon is on the mark. While Lycoming had a down season a year ago, it would be folly to enroll them in the 'has-been' bracket. The Warriors have so much going for them ... the coach, the recruiting, the tradition, the home-field atmosphere -- you name it.

[And keep in mind I'm anything but a Lycoming fan.]

------------------------------

P.S. The only 'has-been' I know of in Pennsylvania is Penn State.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 14, 2005, 04:44:36 PM
We had the lead twice in that game, we should have won. They made great halftime adjustments and came out firing. Scored 36 in the second half. Widener Lyco will be a brawl as always.

Yes they were very ugly. Like a retarded syracuse squad.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 14, 2005, 06:49:32 PM
All of this without me hurling at least one "acid ball"?....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 14, 2005, 08:24:59 PM
Simba Lives....

...Lyco must have won last week. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 14, 2005, 09:29:20 PM
You're right bman...I only post when we win...Must have started when we ran off 4 straight undefeated years in the MAC, I couldn't control myself, all that winning, all that typing, week after week, year after year...According to some of the 2-year frontrunners on this board, I'll only be on here 3 more times this year...I know, overcoming the flashbacks of those endless posting years will be tough (the 2-year frontrunners are now experiencing the addiction firsthand)  but I know I can do it...I just know I can....Back to the Pride....Simba out...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2005, 09:51:43 PM
QuoteOur contention took us through a very tough eastern bracket (all 3 wins vs top 25 teams)with some huge wins on the road for a young team. And the 40 point loss at MUC, we should have won the game, there is no doubt in my mind. and the following year we beat the #3 team in the country in W&J. But we wouldnt know anything about being contenders. Plain and Simple DVC is not on the WU and Lyco plain yet, I believe they will be soon but not yet.

Easy, killer.  I didn't say you weren't contenders. 

If you look at my post, you'll see my point was that under differing definitions of "contender," different teams can claim to be one.  Under one definition, Del Val can make that claim for 2004. 

And Widener certainly can claim that for the 2000 season.  I covered the Widener/Springfield playoff game and was very, very impressed at how prolific the offense was and strong the defense was.  Which side did you play on, out of curiousity?

I won't dispute your recollection of the Mount Union game other than to add the game story (http://www.d3football.com/story.php?story=4423) indicates your leads were 7-0 and 13-7 and the Purple Raiders had a 22-point lead by the second quarter. 

I do agree with you, though, that Del Val is not on Widener or Lyco's level from a historical standpoint - they're not even close.  They have a long way to go given Lyco's tradition and Widener's two titles.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 14, 2005, 10:38:47 PM
readytorock...Dont ever take lyco or wilkes too lightly. This week is going to be a test. Every week will be tough from here on out. Everyone wants to bring down last years Champion along with improving their record this year and every team will be up for it. DVC has to bring their "A" game each week.

Coaching changes are part of each team and also with Lycos staff who have been their forever, you can never count them out as long as Girardi stays there.  How is that Simba.....Glad you are back...let the "Hurling" begin.
Lyco...13, WU..7

Try to get there early rockman...it is going to be a packed house!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 14, 2005, 11:03:18 PM
were Hobart's unforms as ugly as Susquehanna's used to be? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2005, 11:46:02 PM
Hobart and Susquehanna have similar helmets, though Hobart uses a different insignia obviously.  Some of their rivals call them the Pumpkinheads.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2005, 08:06:31 AM
dvc takes wilkes out back of the woodshed and delivers their beating this week, while lyco is on deck  to have dvc hit them with so many lefts they beg for a right!!! and lvc is in the hole for their smashing!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 08:18:37 AM
Gordonmann

Yes we had the elad twice that game, and they were up twelve at the half. I played offense, and it was F'ing cold in Springfield.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 15, 2005, 08:55:47 AM
Diary of a Bad 3 minutes in the Bman household last night:

Bman to Wife:  Hun, I will be leaving for the Lyco game at 11:30
wife to Bman:  No you won't, you will be leaving at 8:00...but not for Lyco, but for Sesame Place....you promised...
wife to Bman:  And I already bought the tickets, so don't try to get out of it...
Bman to self:  Damn....

And for the Double whammy:

wife to Bman: Oh, and we are taking my niece and her little friend.
Bman to self:  Damn....


Simba...good to have you back... 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 09:33:13 AM
Heres something that really bothered me. Last year at homecoming my friends and I go thrown out of the game for being "too loud". We were not using profanity or slurs or anything like that. We were escorted out by Widener campus safety, about 50 of us.  :(  I hope that doesnt happen this weekend cuz I am gonna go nuts !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2005, 09:43:48 AM
are you kidding me??? what is going on ....my friends had a similiar thing happen up at penn state and a number of college presidents have told their student body to not be too rowdy or loud or people will be escorted out of the stadiums....its ridiculous are we supposed to pay our money and sit on our hands and not say anything and be a impartial observer?? i am getting so tired of this stuff!!  >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 09:47:24 AM
Atleast im not the only one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 15, 2005, 09:52:29 AM
Chum

When you get older, I will be a good day if you just make it out of the hospitality tent....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 09:58:39 AM
We had a keg up on the baseball field, then hit the tents, then the game. Great day, until we got the boot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 15, 2005, 10:04:14 AM
Ubrmeasap....at least DVC will not be beating up on that mule again!! The large animal sciencs majors were upset earlier!

Rockman....7:am is not too early...I'll bring the coffee. Hope the weather holds out. I heard the field though, is saturated and has been for a while. The visitors sideline is really bad.  What we dont need is another quagmire like the Juniata game from last year. Maybe we could get the turf management majors to make the football field a project???

I still like Lyco over Widener

GO AGGIES!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 15, 2005, 10:16:16 AM
I have been told by security that I am too loud at basketball games in the NJAC.  One time I was told if I continued to be that loud I would be asked to leave, that is when I shouted to the home crowd that security thought I was too loud and were going to tell me to leave.  I asked if they wanted me to leave and they all shouted no.  I won't name the school but its initials are TCNJ.  I don't know about everybody but I appreciate a visiting teams rowdy fans as long as they keep it peaceful, no fights and no personal attacks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 10:25:52 AM
I love rowdy away fans also. I dont even mind personal attacks, it shows that they are passionate about their team and I respect that. MUC's fans were by far the worst ive ever seen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 15, 2005, 10:39:44 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 14, 2005, 04:34:56 PM


P.S. The only 'has-been' I know of in Pennsylvania is Penn State.

And the Phillies, lets never forget the phillies, and the pirates, and Pitt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 15, 2005, 11:05:42 AM
Baseball sucks. And Pitt has taken a nosedive.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 15, 2005, 11:23:30 AM
too rowdy?  that's just ridiculous.  My senior year the dean of students was asked to leave one of our basketball games for being too rowdy....
The Phillies aren't has-beens, they're wildcards right now. 

But anyway, how could you not like watching football in a quagmire?  I guess ruining the field for the rest of the year would be bad, but it's still a lot of fun. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 15, 2005, 05:14:17 PM
The amazing Merlin tells me LVC 21 - Juniata 7.  LVC not getting taken to the woodshed this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 15, 2005, 06:34:07 PM
For my fellow MAC fans and especially Lyco-Widener fans....
http://williamsportonline.com/lycomingfootball/podcast.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 16, 2005, 08:10:05 AM
well readytorock don knows they are all playing for second place behind dvc baby!!!   8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 16, 2005, 11:33:59 AM
The weekly Moravian story from the Easton Express-Times:
Moravian  (http://www.nj.com/sports/expresstimes/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1126861846130790.xml&coll=2)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 16, 2005, 12:00:20 PM
Predictions for 9/17

New Jersey over FDU
Widener over Lycoming
Delaware Valley over Wilkes
Lebanon Valley over Juniata
Moravian over King's
Albright over Susquehanna

Last Week (5-1)
OverAll Record (5-1)

Opinions appreciated....

Opinions appreciated...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 16, 2005, 12:46:23 PM
awful quiet on hear for a friday afternoon figured someone would throw a hand grenade to stir things up..... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 16, 2005, 02:07:04 PM
Quote from: upbrmeasap on September 16, 2005, 12:46:23 PM
awful quiet on hear for a friday afternoon figured someone would throw a hand grenade to stir things up..... ;)
My predictions:
Wilkes demolishes DVC, 70-2.  Allows safety on first offensive play then scores 70 unanswered points.
Lycoming & Widener play to 0-0 tie.  Game decided by penalty shots. 
Juniata blows up for 84 points.  Wins game over LVC 84-83, no OT. 
State of New Jersey breaks off of US during FDU-NJ game.  Pennsylvania celebrates having a new shoreline. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on September 16, 2005, 02:10:18 PM
Predictions straight from the Snake Parlor for 9/17

New Jersey 22 FDU 17 - FDU will have some fight but not enough to win
Widener 31 Lyco 21
Wilkes 21 Del Val 17 - last second steal
Leb Val 28 Juniata 10
Kings 35 Moravian 21 - kings sticks with ground game
Albright 42 Susquehana 14 - port comes out of shell

i went to the albright game last week the D is what won them the game, look for them to shut down Susquehana this week, that is if their special teams improve.  because last week might have been the worst showing for special teams i've ever seen at any level including high school.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 16, 2005, 04:22:49 PM
agree with everyone predictions except for the dvc loss you fools!! ahhh whats the bother your all playing for second place anyway behind the beasts of dtown and coach mangus!!! bring it on you bunch of has beens!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 16, 2005, 04:31:13 PM
HOORAY for your one MAC Championship ! woohoo !! ! ! ! !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 16, 2005, 05:52:19 PM
Devils, Hounds, Lions, Dutchmen, Aggies and Warriors all win!!!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 16, 2005, 08:37:17 PM
High comedy.  That's a great post.  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 17, 2005, 12:30:11 AM
Speaking of comedy, a duck, a monkey and a bowling pin walk into a bar...

And they all listen to PnG Sports' presentation of Delaware Valley football on www.sportsjuice.com.

You can join them in taking in the action as the #10 Aggies take on the Wilkes Colonels starting with pregame coverage at 12:30 PM, kickoff at 1 PM.

Rimshot!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 17, 2005, 03:24:16 PM
Any word on the widener lyco game ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 17, 2005, 03:32:41 PM
WU 15 Lyco 0  End of 3rd. :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 17, 2005, 03:34:05 PM
DVC and Wilkes are tied up at 14, because im extremely bored im listening to the game, and its turned out to be a good one.  around 7 or 8 minutes left....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 17, 2005, 03:53:32 PM
any word on  DVC..update
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 17, 2005, 03:56:42 PM
17-14 DVC final...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 17, 2005, 04:03:27 PM
DVC SURVIVIES WILKES??  TOP TEN MY A.......!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 17, 2005, 04:04:42 PM
lyco goes down to Widener 15-7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 17, 2005, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: ACMob on September 17, 2005, 04:03:27 PM
DVC SURVIVIES WILKES??  TOP TEN MY A.......!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(

Wilkes had a shot to really take a hold of the game w/ the score at 14-14, they had 4th and 1 deep inside DVC territory and threw a play action pass....great call but bad execution. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 17, 2005, 04:30:42 PM
FINAL:

LVC 35, Juniata 27.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 17, 2005, 05:08:35 PM
QuoteDVC SURVIVIES WILKES??  TOP TEN MY A.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd think the Aggies take a hit in the voting this week.

What confuses me more is how this Wilkes team lost to WPUNJ.  The Colonels' defense is very good with an total stud at LB in Follweiler and the offense is efficient enough to give them a chance to beat good teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 17, 2005, 06:44:16 PM
Damage control this coming week...We beat the Aggies and we're right back in it along with everyone else!....The O-line must play both halves of the game...Not just the 2nd!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 17, 2005, 08:25:28 PM
I'll let Pat respond to your conference ranking!!  DVC barely beat, @ home, a Wilkes team that was BEATEN by, as one of your cohorts referred to, a "bum" NJAC squad.  After LYCO beats you guys next week, then we'll find out who's lame.  If ya want to be a top ten team, then the mistakes shouldn't happen.  See ya in the top 20 for now ready to be LAME!! :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on September 17, 2005, 08:27:37 PM
Lycoming looked good last year at Ithaca.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 17, 2005, 09:14:19 PM
I didnt know that there was gonna be a winner between LVC and Juniata... They both suck.

I can hear the announcer now...

"Congratulations, you both lose."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: empire8fan on September 17, 2005, 09:27:13 PM
Christopher Newport was also ranked 16th at the time....wilkes wasnt even recieving votes going into this game.  Struggling vs a top 20 team is totaly different than struggling vs a .500 team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 17, 2005, 09:31:53 PM
No, they actually gained a spot.(7 to 6)  However, CNU has been a top 25 team for most of the last couple years and Rowan won in their house for the second year in a row.  My arguement with top ten is-- do you really think that DVC is better than Trinity TX?  Salisbury?? Ithaca??  At least these teams, as does RU, schedule tough non conference opponents year after year.  I take my hat off to Lyco. for scheduling the Bombers!!  

GOOD LUCK next week and take care of the football! :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 17, 2005, 11:09:30 PM
I was at Lyco/Widener today.

Bottom line - both teams struggled mightily.

Lyco was lucky to have scored a touchdown.  They were granted a pass interference call in the end zone that kept a drive alive, and then scored on the next play.  Interestingly enough, a pass interference call against Widener on 4th & 10 late in the game kept Lyco alive and in with a chance.

Here are some assessments on both...and I make them here because it really isn't worth it to write about it my Around the Region column...

1.  WPU beat Wilkes, who beat Widener, who beat Lycoming, who beat Juniata.

2.  DVC beat Wilkes by 3.  But come on people, you said the same things about DVC last year.  The narrow margins of victory...the "cardiac kids."  That's them.  Some days they are really on, some days they aren't.  But here is what is clear to me having seen Lyco and Widener today...if both of those teams play DVC the way they played today, DVC rolls.

3.  Widener is not the Widener they once were, neither is Lyco.  The MAC has changed, it's been that way for a few years, but it took a while for people to really realize it. 

4.  Glenn Smith was pulled for being ineffective.  The backup threw an interception on his first play and seemed equally ineffective.  The Lyco offense is listless (to the tune of 22 plays in the first half for a TOTAL of 23 yards).  Widener's offense is slightly better than that, but lacked any real spark.  I mean, at one point, it was 5-0 Widener in the bottom of the sixth, and that little cart was on its way in from the bullpen.

5.  Widener's pep band is very good.  But do you HAVE to play like, the ENTIRE game.  Give it a break every now and then so I can think.  Also, I didn't think  bands could play during an actual play on the field.  They did...all day long.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 17, 2005, 11:26:37 PM
ACMob:

Del Val, like the rest of the conference, doesn't have much room to schedule non-conference games.  This year they get to be the one MAC team who plays all 10 conference foes.  While WPUNJ wasn't a tough draw last year, Del Val and the Pioneers were equal when that contract was written up.  Maybe that changes in the future.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2005, 11:57:04 PM
Quote from: ACMob on September 17, 2005, 09:31:53 PMMy arguement (sic) with top ten is-- do you really think that DVC is better than Trinity TX?

I actually think yes, that is probably true. But that doesn't make either one a Top 10 team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 18, 2005, 12:20:47 AM
One can't disagree with the D3 elite. ??? I get nothing but bad karma in here! :-[ So good luck to all the MACsters.  Peace. :-X
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 18, 2005, 12:28:32 AM
I didn't ding you and I'm not sure the Pats did either.  Perhaps it was someone else.

I'll even applaud you if it makes you feel better. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 18, 2005, 09:01:50 AM
Perhaps the answer is a DVC posting room.  That way 3 point victories in the final seconds can be discussed openly and all the posters can take turns talking about how "clutch" the kicker is.

I would have thought that consistency would be the mark of the top ten.  Not one day on, one day off.

Polls are for idiots anyway.  DVC will probably gain a spot this week.

And yes, I can even see "bad zebra" references in a pro-DVC post.  First sign of panic.

As for the Widener band, they are probably out right now buying new amps for the DVC game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 18, 2005, 09:56:14 AM
Did noone else see that John Port from Albright College became the 12th player in NCAA Division III to surpass the 10,000 career passing yards? I think that is something we should all send our Congrats to.


CONGRATS John Port!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 18, 2005, 05:02:18 PM
MacFan762

What is the matter with you today?? Didnt Moravian "Roll" over their opponet today by 30 or 40 points. You havent said a whole lot about the other MAC teams this far but yet you call yourself MacFan, I dont get it.  But all you have to say is a lot of negativity toward Del Val. I can understand this as your team  didnt win the MAC last year, but bad mouthing the 2004 Conference Champion sounds like sour grapes, especially since they came into your house and Spanked the Greyhounds.
It is also obvious that you didnt observe the DVC/Wilkes contest by your comment directed toward the referees and the miscues for both teams. Wilkes is a good to be reckoned with, especially their "D".  I cant wait until October 22, when the Greyhounds take on the Colnels, I guess then we may really hear some crying from you.

Simba.....I am short a couple of acid balls, can I borrow some???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 18, 2005, 05:19:11 PM
ACMOB...Have you ever observed Trinity, TX, Salisbury, or Ithaca play in person or are your lame comments just from what you have read?
You also seem to post negativity and I will ask again who is your team you pull for??
Until you can "Qualify" your statement as to who should be in the top ten it is my opinion that you should do some more research. What is your criteria for a team to be ranked in the top 10???  It seems that everyone hates a winner when they are on a roll but it is so funny that I dont hear any negative comments regarding Linfield or MHB or the other teams that are consistently in the top 10.
Wait maybe I am the one who is wearing the rose colored galsses, Maybe DVC isnt that good after all, Maybe they shouldnt be in the top 25. Would that be more to your liking???

Simba...Help me here I am low on acid balls...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 18, 2005, 05:40:19 PM
Hi Bill,

Good to hear from you.  There's never any negativity from me towards DVC.  I don't know one player on the team so that would be stupid.  Like the Greyhounds, I tend to keep a low profile and let results speak.  Wilkes must be a very good team and yes, I too look forward to Moravian/Wilkes.

As was pointed out to me when I spoke of the personal foul that knocked out the Greyhound QB, "crying" about refs and other acts, however cheap, is pointless because it's part of the game.

One can only hope that the Hounds have a chance to play the Aggies again.  It would be a great match up.  Probably much closer than a 9 point "spanking" as you call it.

How did the DVC 2nd team do on Saturday?  See much time?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 18, 2005, 06:13:36 PM
Patron 2,
Concerning your comments about LVC and Juniata ,definitely venemous humor, but humerous none the less.  If you had watched or listened to the game it was a great game.  As a team, yes both these teams have somethings to be desired.  There are some individual athletes on these teams that could play for any of the MAC teams.  Great example of this,  3 seasons ago LVC had a first team All American tight end on a one and nine team.  A current example of this is LVC's QB, I am confident in saying that his abilities are sound and he could certainly compete with some of the "Premier" players in the league, if he was competing on a level playing field.  In your attempt to be humerous, I feel you tarnished some great young men.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 18, 2005, 06:35:01 PM
As Patron2 has amply demonstrated, uninformed talk is very cheap ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 18, 2005, 06:38:04 PM
It seems like LVC always has one outstading player getting lots of recognition and then go on to have a disappointing record.  
I'm a little surprised by the Wilkes-DVC score.  Does Wilkes have huge linemen again?  It always seems like they do.  Is everyone there big?  I met some girls from Wilkes at a research conference yesterday and even they look like the could put a hurting on a buffet...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 18, 2005, 06:51:15 PM
Patron 2,
To reaffirm my previous post, I just saw where Dan Kelly was named the MAC offensive player of the week.  It's nice to see a player from LVC get some accolades.  Another player that I feel could be playing on any team in the MAC, that plays for LVC, is Adam Brossman.(a receiver)   Both these kids are tough, smart, and athletic.  They just happen to be playing on a team where some of their teammates aren't as good as the competition.  The inequity in the MAC is that some of the school's admission standards are far below some of the others.  This allows some of the MAC schools to recruit and obtain athletes that others can't touch.  That's a big advantage to the schools that are recruiting athletes first and students second.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 18, 2005, 08:27:47 PM
MacFan...Good comeback, point well taken. As for Wilkes, they are very big, fast and the secondary is quick and active. Good Luck with them.

PS>>>The second team as a unit did not play but many substitutions were made  individually. Wilkes is a tough contender!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on September 19, 2005, 12:17:28 AM
go widener.... ;D did ne one see the def. stats on that games.  widener held them to only 145 total yards....lyco only played 22 plays in the first half...40 sumin rushing yards ....impresive....time to put a woopin on leb val....pioneers are still up set to the muddy 3-0 loss last year......i pre. 50 to 17 widener.....as for the loss to wilkes we are always starting slow....it was a bad beat...(poker fan)....wideners off. didnt click but u better believe widener will battle with everyteam in the mac including the overrated dvc.....as for me i will be watching from the sidelined i blew my knee out in the begining of the 4th against lyco....thats the season for me....but i still think the defense will hold up...we have some good backups.....

let me getta Wu
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2005, 08:30:42 AM
well its nice to see sour grapes abound from the usual cast of misfits....simba can now go crawl back in his hole and after this weeks whoopin wont be heard from until next season. macfan can continue to blame everything under the sun for all teams losing to dvc, big doggy can wimper about the "overrated" dvc team.....ahhh jealousy is so unbecoming....as they said in the move history of the world part I ..."its good to be the king..." everyone taking pot shots at you and the old has beens clutching to the railing like the fools in the movie titanic talking about how dvc is no good and overrated and their big bad widener and lyco teams are going to lay the lumber to us.....yawn!!...i figured you guys could at least bring a little something more to the table or get creative in your jabs in giving dvc any kind of credit and heaven forbid coach mangus any credit...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 19, 2005, 09:22:54 AM
WOOHOO!!!!!! Man I hate Lyco!!!!!! Nothing like seeing them lose back to back years to WU !  YAY !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 19, 2005, 12:23:10 PM
And Wideners new uniforms suck, colors suck, and field sucks. But I still love em.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 19, 2005, 12:43:46 PM
BigDoggy:

Sorry to hear about your injury.  I know you guys work awful hard and to see the season end this early must be frustrating.  Hopefully you've got a couple years of eligibility left.

And I hope you enjoy our message boards.  It's more fun when there are representatives from different teams on here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 19, 2005, 02:02:05 PM
what is going to happen upbrmeasap when DVC loses a MAC game?  Not that I think it will happen right away, but you can't win them all. 
So is everybody at Wilkes big and fat or not?  Even Trichilo was not fat but he was pretty big.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2005, 02:04:22 PM
well when was the last time dvc lost a mac league game??? judging by the anger of coach mangus after the wilkes game i am glad i am not on the coaching staff or playing this week. he was more than p'd off after the wilkes game i think they are going up to williamsport with a real chip on their shoulders this week and will take no prisoners.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2005, 02:14:05 PM
Can't remember the last time I saw a Moravian/DVC scrap...

I thought our colors were supposed to be the same as Florida....

Are they something different?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 19, 2005, 03:01:05 PM
Royal Blue White and a little yellow
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 19, 2005, 03:06:21 PM
Has Widener changed its colors from the Widener family racing colors of light blue (not royal) and gold?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2005, 03:16:19 PM
Warren

Yes, but I am not sure what color "Royal Blue" really is...



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2005, 04:11:52 PM
Vote for Moravian's Matt Sheridan (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2005-09-18-player-of-week_x.htm) on USATODAY.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2005, 04:18:51 PM
i voted for him....come on div III folks need to make their voices heard and vote for him he is in a dog race for second place right now...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 19, 2005, 04:28:55 PM
bman:

So, yes, Widener has changed from light blue to royal blue?

Royal is essentially the blue sported by the Indianapolis Colts (at least to my perception).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 19, 2005, 04:33:52 PM
Colts, Bills, Giants are all Royal Blue.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 19, 2005, 04:40:22 PM
With all this talk anent 'royal blue,' I have to wonder if us regular folks might also merit a shade of our own ... say, 'commoner blue.' :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 19, 2005, 04:51:26 PM
http://www.lycoming.edu/sports/football/2005photos/Widener/pages/LYCOvwu2.htm

Widener could call it endzone blue...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2005, 04:52:09 PM
For LVC

That might be Burgh Blue and Amish Amber :) ...all painted with Dutch Boy of course....!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 19, 2005, 05:17:43 PM
Simba:

Thanks for the color photo. Widener is, indeed, attired in royal blue, white, and yellow -- though the color arrangement could be done more tastefully. :) *

bman:

Is 'Amish Amber' akin to 'Yuengling Yellow'? Advise soonest ....

-------------------------------------------------------------

* What does the Widener family think about this change of colors? Will they
go to court to remove their name from the institution? Let us know, please. It's a burning, if not colorful, issue.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on September 19, 2005, 08:16:40 PM
Albright rolled easily this weekend.  Jon Port looked like him old self on saturday.  Congrats to him throwing for over 10,000 yards over his career making him eight all time in Divison III.  The Defense again looked solid.  They shut down Susquehana's offense.  Albright looks as if they are starting to gel.  They got Kings this weekend so we'll see.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 19, 2005, 09:08:53 PM
MOJO and Warren,

Since we are gonna call a spade a spade... I am not a nice man... And the Juniata vs. LebVal game is the biggest pillow fight of the year..  Last year it was Lyco and Juniata...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 19, 2005, 09:23:38 PM
Billman56--  Final comments:  you don't want to know who I root for period! :o

I'm sure all the voters of d3 top 25 have observed each and every team within the poll to "qualify" their choices for your approval of the poll results. :-\

And the term "lame" best describes the team YOU root for pal. :P

PS:  Please direct all negative comments to the NJAC board.  Thank you! ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2005, 10:06:38 PM
ACMob, I haven't seen your Top 25 every week for comparison purposes. It ain't as easy as you think.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2005, 10:28:16 PM
Warren

I will refrain from comment until I see the field and colors myself.. Personally, I have not heard much of anything.  The changes were not advertised well, nor were they reflected on any of the websites.

That is one complaint I have with WU...they hold onto info like precious stock tips...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on September 20, 2005, 07:41:33 AM
I listened to the Albright vs Susquehanna game on the interenet from half time on.  I heard Rowlands' name called a few times. Did something happen to Albrights middle linebacker Minotti? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 20, 2005, 08:49:40 AM
Patron 2,
The point I was trying to make is that although LVC and Juniata appear to be weak teams in the MAC, there are individual players on both teams that are quality athletes.  By making statements that these young men are losers offends me and I feel is a grossly inaccurate statement.  I'm sure that it's no easy task to make the commitment it takes to play college football, when you are on a losing team.  The fact that these young men make this commitment, in my opinion, makes them winners regardless of their record.  Personally Patron, the only one I am suspect of being a loser is you.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2005, 09:37:54 AM
MOJO:

Consider the source and simply ignore Patron2.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 20, 2005, 11:24:32 AM
Hello, fellow d3 fans!  I'm interloping from the ASC board this morning, as I'm planning to be at the Delaware Valley/Lycoming game Saturday taking photos for d3football.com--assuming I'm able to get back home from Texas (Rita is coming, Rita is coming!).

Sparing the bravado, can anybody give me some information on who the players to watch are on both sides?  What type of offense/defense does each squad run?  Any information that can help me capture the game effectively will be greatly appreciated.

And don't forget to check out the Photo Galleries link on the main page to see unedited samples of what I did this weekend at both the McMurry/Austin College game and the Hardin-Simmons/Louisiana College game.  These prints will be cropped, color/contrast corrected and sharpened before they are sent to players and parents that have purchased them.

Prints are available from those games, and will be available next weekend from the Lyco/Del Valley game.  100% of all the proceeds from the sale of these prints will go to support this website, so I hope that you'll be ordering early and often next weekend!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 20, 2005, 11:51:04 AM
Splik...the last time DVC lost a MAC game, was to Wilkes in the 2003 season, so you can win them all, just like in 2004...


Bigdoggy...truely good luck with the rehab and hope you are back next season...good luck to you.

This week...DVC  31   Lyco  10

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 20, 2005, 12:03:59 PM
Pat....Go get him!!!  This ACMOB is probably a closet fan to begin with for the fact that he refuses to tell us the teams he roots for....oh well I will not waste time for anyone who will not engage in conversation and his were substandard at best.

Thanks again for the clip, it is getting a lot of mileage, very much appreciated.

Rockman...did not see the stats but almost anytime you have QBs sharing playing time quality and consistency suffer. Hope to see you Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 20, 2005, 12:12:10 PM
josh, welcome and your in for a great game. for dvc i would first check out their qb adam knoblauch who is on pace to become the 5th player in college football including all divisions I-III to have over 10,000 yards passing and over 1,000 yards rushing in his career. steve mcnair is one of the other 4 current qbs. their wr's don marshall, david carmon are very good. As is their running back steve cook. on defense their defensive lineman anthony silver will grab most of the double teams as he is a stud on the dline and well known as a top pass rusher who plays mostly in the opposing teams backfield.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 20, 2005, 12:40:54 PM
billman - before 2003 DVC had trouble winning any...all in this case means more than one season, even Mount Union even lost an OAC game a long time ago

Widener's new jersey is now a close second to Susquehanna's old maroon and neon orange jerseys as ugliest ever in the MAC. 

I sense some bitterness coming from patron...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 20, 2005, 01:42:19 PM
Just a ??? Silver was hurt for most of the DVC/Wilkes game with ice on his shoulder/sling...anyone know his status??? He was certainly missed on the defensive side of the ball in that game. Will he be ready for the Lyco game?
As for other defensive players to watch #55 has had 3 solid games and should have another big one this week if he isn't too worn down, and you can't overlook Murphy the DB who's got 3 or 4 int's so far and all of them coming at crucial points of the game, ie in the endzone against Wilkes
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 20, 2005, 01:46:12 PM
hey Josh,
players to watch... luke sterling @mlb, james smith probably their best athlete, and a couple lineman(names don't come to me right now).  Kopp at wr...  the stregth of lyco is their "D" with their senior backers and talented db's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on September 20, 2005, 01:57:02 PM
agreed widener should have advertised their change....but it happened basically on a whim....after an imbarassing 3-0 loss to leb val last year the alum were extremely upset.....that next day about 1.5 million dollars was raised for turf...but the alum also relized that the sky blue was never the real color of widener....so they went with more of a hoftstra look...personally i like it...but the problem is that it was done under such pressure that every thing didnt get finished...we only have one set of game pants...white...we dont have home game pants...also we are still wearing last years practice jersey...granted it doesnt look bad but..it doesnt feel right...ne who...i like the new colors actually i like ne thing new....their are alot of teams in the mac...that have old crappy jerseys....widener is lucky enough to get new things...dont be jelious....by the way dvc has a really ugly color combo....if their is an ugly uniform and bad facilitys anywhere ....it is at dvc...which really surprises me...as crapy and and farmish of a school it is they still get good recruits....i wonder what mangus is doiong to get recruits in...i guess its winning ...but i know when i was looking location and facilitys..were my deciding factors....

sorry for ne spelling mistakes i was typing fast ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 20, 2005, 02:14:27 PM
big doggy. First off, sorry to hear about your injury, hoping for a speedy recovery.  I know how much work, and preparation goes into each season, and to see it end before it really starts is a terrible thing. Second, I can agree with you on the fact that DVC does have ugly colors, and bad facilities, but I will say that I think their jerseys look nice.  However to answer your question, from what I hear all you need is a warm body and a recent pulse to get in there, and along with winning, that will get you recruits any day of the week, but it is working for them so far.
Also, Josh to answer your question, a big player to watch for each team.  Sterling as the leader of the Lycoming Defense.  and Cook on the Del Val offense.  Cook is the starting running back, and truly the engine that runs the Del Val team.  He is a playmaker, and such a speedy back that opposing defenses have to watch him on every single play.  I think everytime you see a Del Val big Play, Steve Cook will be a guy that either set it up, or played a major part in it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2005, 02:16:48 PM
bigdoggy:

The 'real color' of Widener? Almost from the moment the PMC Cadets became the Widener College Pioneers over 30 years ago, its teams wore the Widener family racing colors of light blue and gold.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 20, 2005, 02:20:19 PM
CJS,
I "heard " that Pete Mannotti has broken his leg, if so I am truly sorry to hear it!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 20, 2005, 02:46:14 PM
pls dog speak facts not here say from "what you have heard..."  spare us that b.s. before you make that kind of accusation. having sisters and friends that graduated from numerous other mac schools and having sat in on their classes i was more than less than impressed. they were covering info we had covered months before at dvc. dvc has mostly business school students there now along with a fair amount of horticulture students. the ag student body is small comparatively speaking since the small family farms are drying up. so spare us you and your wharton business school rhetoric and take it some place else...all schools in the mac are solid from a academic standpoint.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 20, 2005, 02:54:08 PM
Can anyone comment on the rocket-like turnaround that DVC has had over the last few years.  I know that people say the coach is great, etc.  Reality says it takes years to build a solid program, yet they did it really fast.  I've heard a few theories, e.g. a I-AA school near them folded and they picked up most of the players, etc.  I have no idea if any of that is true, but would appreciate it if anyone could toss out any facts.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 20, 2005, 03:08:17 PM
macfan i would definetly say it starts at the top that is with the coach. he is incredible and just a great recruiter with a great system. he also has brought in very good asst. coaches. he took his lumps and played many freshmen his first year and when most of the players were sophmores you could see the turnaround happening and they were going to be special. last year they took another step with their playoff run and needless to say what everyones expectations are this year with all those starters back. coach mangus played and coached under steve spurrier at univ of florida. he has a great knack for recruiting and developing players. also besides being a great off play caller he is very good in advising the def coaches on how the opposing teams will attack their def changes during the game. kids love to play for him and believe in him and his system. this is just ones mans viewpoint...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2005, 03:44:56 PM
I am not aware of any flood of transfers. There have been a handful of schools that dropped I-AA football in recent years but it was all I-AA non-scholarship football, so the players are essentially on the same level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 20, 2005, 04:57:19 PM
Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 20, 2005, 07:01:47 PM
Big Doggy:

Wow.  That's pretty wild that a 3-0 game sparked $1.5 million in donations from the alums.  If that's true, I could see some college presidents and ADs hoping for one bad game a year so they can enjoy the financial windfall. :)

MacFan:

Another unique part of the Del Val turn around is that Mangus cleaned house when he came in.  He didn't slowly transition from the old guard to his guys.  From what I gather, he told incumbent players there was a new sheriff in town and they'd follow him or leave.  That allowed him to put young guys like Knoblauch in a position where they had a lot of experience by last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 20, 2005, 07:58:27 PM
Quote from: MOJO on September 20, 2005, 08:49:40 AM
Patron 2,
The point I was trying to make is that although LVC and Juniata appear to be weak teams in the MAC, there are individual players on both teams that are quality athletes.  By making statements that these young men are losers offends me and I feel is a grossly inaccurate statement.  I'm sure that it's no easy task to make the commitment it takes to play college football, when you are on a losing team.  The fact that these young men make this commitment, in my opinion, makes them winners regardless of their record.  Personally Patron, the only one I am suspect of being a loser is you.

Tell me bro, how many ribbons for 8th place do you have hanging on your wall?


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 21, 2005, 12:40:56 AM
patron - go back to Jersey and quit criticizing something of which you were never really a part.  it's easy being a critic, sounds like you wish you had ANY ribbon on your wall
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 21, 2005, 07:31:40 AM
You guys are correct.  I should be more compassionate to good kids that are stuck on lousy teams. 

I will now direct my posts towards lousy coaches that have no idea what they are doing.. Because it is always the coaches fault if things dont work out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 21, 2005, 10:10:42 AM
ubrmesap....DITTO from me also on your last post!!! Just keep in mind that no one wants to see an upstart like DVC come in and take over the top spot against the past performances of the former top dogs. Change is always inevitable, some good, some not so good, but there will always be nay sayers who dont like it and refuse to conform. Like last year DVC is the TOP DOG this year so far and it maybe that they will go all the way and clinch the MAC title once again.

readytorock...see you Saturday....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on September 21, 2005, 10:24:28 AM
Quote from: D3Phan on September 20, 2005, 02:20:19 PM
CJS,
I "heard " that Pete Mannotti has broken his leg, if so I am truly sorry to hear it!

That is truly awful for the young man if it is true..... Would he be able to get a medical redshirt even if he is a graduating senior?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 21, 2005, 02:34:02 PM
Splik....Dont Beat up on New Jersey, it really isnt that bad...lol.
Just ignore Patron2....that thorn is stuck way, way up there!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 21, 2005, 02:43:41 PM
Gordon

You know, it's funny....I wonder if that isn't part of the issue at WU.  It seems that we have difficulty getting talent that is making an impact....

I know you can't get a Jones/Colemen/Warker every year (Maybe we can have Keeler send us a few more ;D) but it seems logical at this point that Mangus truly has out recruited the rest of the MAC....

PS do they still serve soup in the press box?  I always enjoyed that....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 21, 2005, 03:56:42 PM
i already have the game face on for dvc/lyco since my sister graduated from lyco and i had to eat dirt for alot of years i cannot tell you how good thanksgiving day dinner tasted last year when we got together and football talk ensued!!  LETS GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 21, 2005, 07:41:47 PM
Patron 2,
Thanks for the apology, but please do not insult myself or family by refering to me as bro.  You are not my brother, let alone a friend.  You are just one more example of the fact that the older I get, and the more people I meet, the more I like my dog.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 22, 2005, 10:54:12 AM
the qualifications for incoming student has changed greatly at WU over the past few years. Many of the players from the past would not be accepted today. It is not a case of being out recruited it is simply a case of certian schools recruiting under different criteria.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 22, 2005, 01:19:19 PM
I have heard rumors that there is a great disparity in the student-athletes that teams in the MAC recruit, specifically that some schools will accept borderline students that would not be accepted by other schools.  Does anyone have any concrete evidence that this is true?  From my own experience, I know that the financial aid packages offered to students vary a lot from school to school, and of course this is a key factor in deciding where to go.  I would think that this has a bigger impact on which schools get the best players, rather than ability to recruit borderline students who are better football players.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 22, 2005, 01:35:19 PM
LVC ALUM... alot of what you said is true. My son attends lycoming as a freshman,  he was accepted early in the application process.  Many Mac schools and some state run schools called  and offered to beat lyco's package no matter what.  We told them that's where he(our son) wants to go, they wouldn't call for about a week, and then it started all over again.  We talked to financial aid about it..they said they are not supposed to do that....back bidding after they know what the finan. aid package contains. But at least 3 mac schools did that to us.  Our son was a decent student in high school- SAT 1100(old test), 3.2 GPA.
Some mac schools do accept much lower numbers  (SAT's,GPA) for admissions than other schools.  I guess it's just the policy of the school.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 22, 2005, 06:54:03 PM
I remember playing against Del Val when they were routinely a 1-9, 2-8 type team.  I think that one thing that people overlook is the level of experience they have on their team.  For example, I played against their starting QB; he is still playing, while I am 2 years out of college.  Experience is very important, and I would guess that Del Val is now reaping the benefits of deciding to take its lumps with younger players a few years ago.

In addition, I think football is a very momentum-driven game.  Recruits see a winning team, and they want to become a part of it.  Suddenly, talented players in the Philadelphia area have another option besides Lycoming and Widener, which is where most of these players seemed to wind up.  Given the fact that Lyco is a 3 hour drive from Philadelphia, and Widener's campus is less than picturesque, suddenly Del Val is a great choice.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 22, 2005, 07:31:00 PM
I agree that winning does help. However, I guess you have not been on Wideners campus lately. New dorms, academic buildings, and what could be the best stadium in division 3. It is simply a matter of cost and recruiting criteria. Furthermore, Del Val has a staff that has worked hard to continue the recruiting ties they made while working at other schools.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 22, 2005, 08:27:49 PM
I get a big kick out of predictions.  Especially when the are dead wrong.  What I find even more amusing are polls.  I can bet that if Moravian beat DVC in game 1 and was 3-0 at this point instead of 2-1, DVC would stll be in the top 25 and the Hounds would not.  That's just the way of the poll.  They count for nothing.  What counts is what happens on the field and the character of the players.  All of us fans of D3 football should consider ourselves lucky to be able to watch men of character play for school pride.  They are all the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2005, 09:07:49 PM
Maybe in the AFCA poll that would be true but I'm pretty sure it would not be true in the D3football.com poll. Have you even looked closely at the poll? Delaware Valley WON this week and fell. How far would they fall if they lost?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 22, 2005, 09:19:13 PM
Macfan,
Per your inquiry regarding the rapid rise to dominence of the DVC football program can be attributed to primarily one factor, as a team they have better athletes.  Last season I only saw them play one time, but what impressed me most was their quickness.  Please note, there are other players on other teams that individually, are as good as or superior to the DVC players, at their respective positions.  However as a team, DVC is superior.  I say this being a LVC and LYCO fan.  DVC is dominating the same way LYCO and WU dominated when they were on top, with better players.  Overall, coaching is relatively good throughout the MAC ,so it's the kids that make the difference.   In reality the individual school's financial aid department and the admissions policies probably have more impact on the success of the institutions football program than anything else.  Yes, there are substantial differences in admission policies and financial aid packages for MAC schools.  I know this to be a fact, I am a MAC alum and have had sons that played in two MAC programs.  Go Dutchmen!  Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 22, 2005, 09:40:14 PM
Del Val did go 10-0 last year.  They did go to the playoffs last year.  They had a good run in the playoffs last year.  People seem to forget that this was last year.  Dont get me wrong, they are a great team, and they have plenty of guys back from last years squad.  However, its week 3, and it seems like a majority of people on this board have already crowned them this years champs.  They have to win 7 more to be crowned the champ, remember that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 22, 2005, 09:45:08 PM
MacFan:

And Moravian was getting votes in the Top 25 before they lost.  Who knows if they would've cracked the Top 25 at 3-0, but it's tough to get worked up about Moravian getting snubbed in a hypothetical situation that didn't happen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 22, 2005, 10:00:17 PM
Pat: Yes, I was referring to AFCA and I agree.

Mojo: good points.

Dog: Yes, lots of football left and many hungry teams.

Pat:  Not sure anybody is worked up.  I certainly am not.  Can't say that I get your comment or it's relevance to an otherwise focused and succinct conversation.  As for Moravian.  They rule and will indeed get their day in the Sun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 22, 2005, 10:02:34 PM
Sorry Pat, last comment was for Gordon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 22, 2005, 10:11:22 PM
QuoteWhat I find even more amusing are polls.  I can bet that if Moravian beat DVC in game 1 and was 3-0 at this point instead of 2-1, DVC would stll be in the top 25 and the Hounds would not.  That's just the way of the poll.  They count for nothing.

I assumed you were referencing our poll, which is not an unreasonable assumption since that's the poll most people reference on this site.  Under that assumption it sounded like your quote above was complaining about a lack of respect in our poll based on a hypothetical ("if Moravian beat DVC..."), which didn't make much sense to me since Moravian had votes in the Preseason.

My mistake, though, if I misinterpreted you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 22, 2005, 10:20:43 PM
Thanks Gordon, my mistake as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 23, 2005, 08:18:26 AM
alright i will start it off today time for predictions... i see a good effort put forth by lycoming saturday but coming off an emotional game against widener last week its tough to get up 2 weeks in a row even at home. alas they dont have much left in the tank in the second half of the game and dvc pulls away in the second half to win 28-10.  8)       alright ready to hear readytorock and others predictions....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 23, 2005, 08:19:58 AM
Dog,
Please don't interpret my statements concerning DVC as implying they can't be beat.  They can!  Catch them on a Saturday that their game is off or the opposing team is playing well, and they can crash and burn.  The reality of this statement can be validated when you look at the recent DVC / Wilkes game.  That victory just as easily could have gone to Wilkes instead of DVC.  As stated by many posters in the past, there is alot of paridy in the MAC.  On any given week one team can beat another, dependent on the factors.  DVC went from worst to first in a very short time frame.  DVC used to be the one team LVC thought they had a good shot beating on a yearly basis.  Congratulations to the DVC program.  In closing, my advice to DVC is to be ever vigilent, LYCO will be back and even LVC will have their time in the sun, at some point in time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 23, 2005, 09:27:34 AM
So I guess theres no chance for Widener to shine again ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 23, 2005, 10:13:19 AM
No one is saying that WU will not shine. They are a very good young team this year. With the return of a few players next year and the maturity of the player in the fold they will continue to get stronger.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 23, 2005, 10:51:50 AM
I was being sarcsatic
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 23, 2005, 11:02:46 AM
Here are my predictions for this week....


Lyco         16    Delval        14 
Albright    38    Kings         10
Moravian  38    Juniata        7
Widener 142   LVC              4 ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 23, 2005, 11:22:30 AM
to WUDline no matter what goes on at the WU campus they haven't taken it out of Chester yet. Until they do that they will always be at a disadvantage when recruiting. As for reasons that kids go to DVC it's all about GA. He's fun to play for and he's a winner. No matter where he's coached he's won. Winning isn't just important to him ---- it's everything. Kids that buy into that same mentality will end up winning for him. You can just sense that the players on this team believe they will win. No matter what the game situation there is no panic just a belief that they can pull it through.

Lastly, as for the qualifications academically for these schools, give us a break. this isn't the Centennial conference here. And if you're a good enough football player there isn't a school in this conference who won't admit you and find the $$$ for you!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 23, 2005, 11:52:04 AM
maAggie5
I wouldn't say that the Centennial Conference is that much better than the MAC as far as academics go besides Johns Hopkins.  I do agree to make WU's campus a nicer place is to move the whole thing to Harrisburg to go with the law school there. 

DVC is not the only undefeated MAC school with a stud-senior QB.  Albright could be the team that represents the MAC in the playoffs this year, IF they can knock off DVC and IF they can beat the rest of the parity-filled MAC.  Definitely not a given, but definitely not out of the realm of possibility. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 23, 2005, 12:00:47 PM
splk I think you are sadly mistaken about the Centennial. Other than perhaps McDanial the other schools in that conference are have tough admission standards. The MAC is certainly a step above the NJAC academically, but cannot compare with the Centennial.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 23, 2005, 12:26:50 PM
I did not realize that winning for two years qualifies you as a winner. I thought it took alot more success than that. The major problem with many of the fans / alumni at Del Val is you have never won in the past. Therefor you still do not know the right way to handle success. GA is an excellent offensive Coach, who has done a good job assembeling a staff, lets see if Del Val can continue to win for a while before we put him in a category with Bear Bryant.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 23, 2005, 01:05:38 PM
Maaggie

"And if you're a good enough football player there isn't a school in this conference who won't admit you and find the $$$ for you! "

If you really believe this comment, you are sorely mistaken. There are a great deal of athletic/academic philosophic differences between the conference schools. It's not even a contest. I can only speak for FDU, but there are several students receiving "academic grant money" at other MAC institutions that were not even acceptable candidates for admission at FDU....

Is FDU the only school in this boat? Are we somehow the Harvard of the MAC? Of course not. Just please, speak only of which you have first hand knowledge of.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 23, 2005, 01:05:53 PM
WUDLINE,

I have not been to Widener's campus in a few years.  The football field was nice when I was there, but as other posters have already noted, the neighborhood in which the school is located could be better.  In any event, I think facilities are not as important to potential players as other things, such as financial aid packages and the chance to play sooner rather than later.  Case in point is LVC-great field, locker room, and athletic complex, but traditionally a bottom-feeder in football.  Interestingly enough, the basketball programs at LVC are traditional powers despite playing in the less-than-state-of-the-art Lynch Gym for much of its existence (of course now they have that sweet new hoops arena).

In regard to the comments regarding the academic comparisons between the MAC and the CC, I think Susquehanna, Juniata, and LVC are probably the best academic institutions in the conference.  As much as I hate to admit it, F & M, Gettysburg, Dickinson, and Hopkins are probably all significantly superior in terms of regional and national prestige, especially Hopkins.  Not to say that I wasn't satisfied with the education I received at LVC-it has served me well.  But I think the CC overall is better academically.

For what its worth, LVC--42, WU 35 in OT, with Kelly hitting Rendine in the corner of the end zone in OT and Holzman sealing the game with a pick.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on September 23, 2005, 01:13:11 PM
Fellas, regardless the centennial conference academic standards they don't compare to the MAC in football standards.  9 out of 10 times when a mac and centennial conference team meet the mac team wins.  

As for DVC heading to the playoffs i think they have a good chance but I wouldn't count out albright either they have a chance also.  last yr del val barely beat albright 35-28.  look for this yrs match up to be just as close.

for this weeks predictions straight from the snake parlor
Del Val     24   Lyco        10
Albright    35   Kings       14
Moravian  30    Juniata    0
Widener   28   LVC          0
Lets face facts Juniata and LVC just get out recruited year in and year out and are never gonna rise to the top of the MAC.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 23, 2005, 02:13:59 PM
Snake Parlor....In my opinion as a parent, I feel that from the Philly area and certainly Juniata and maybe LVC are too far out from the area to recruit from Phila. From here Juniata is a 4 hour plus drive and LVC is approx 2 1/2 or more depending on weather and traffic. I think both schools are not recruiting the best playes in this vicinity and getting comittments, due to how far away they are. On the other side of the coin Susquehanna delivers a talented team and they reside between LVC and Juniata...go figure.

The academic comparisons regarding admission standards between conferences I feel is a moot point. Business admin, is business admin ,is the same course in almost any institution and what makes the difference is the faculty. Same as in football, what makes the differences between teams when there is talent from both schools....the coaching staff.  Again in My opinion only, I feel the SATS are a joke and should not be a criteria for admissions. A "Test" is just that a test. The individual should be evaluated on many other criteria besides a test. There is obviously more to any individual other than a test result.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 23, 2005, 02:20:17 PM
WUDLINE....Help me here, What is the "Correct" way to handle success???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 23, 2005, 02:53:47 PM
My 2 cents ! The correct way to handle success is to foster it. Make it part of the student-athletes mindset. Success Breeds Success, this is a very true statement. Draw comparisons with your team about how they felt when they went 1-9 and how they felt going 10 - 0. It will make them appreciate success and want to hold onto it. This will make them work harder and play harder and be better people.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 23, 2005, 02:58:05 PM
wudline i would tend to agree a little with your assessment although a coach who i believe won 2 national championships for widener (bill manlove) has called him one of the best coaches he has seen come along on any level of college coaching. he stated besides all the other intangibles of recruiting, coaching, having a great offensive mind manlove has stated what a great feel he has for defense and making adjustments and calls with the def. coaches. manlove is a guy i really respect his opinion and a man who has been around a long time and seen a lot of coaches. i do agree time will tell but bottom line is the guy can flat out coach and develop young players. In all honesty trying to be non partial here i cannot see taking any other mac coach over him right now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 23, 2005, 03:36:42 PM
Predictions for 9/24

Widener over Lebanon Valley
Albright over King's
Moravian over Juniata
Wilkes over FDU
Lycoming over Delaware Valley  :o

Last Week (6-0)
OverAll Record (11-1)

Opinions appreciated....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 23, 2005, 04:57:44 PM
Oh PLEEEAASSEE! You're holding FDU up as a model of academic excellence???You are really out of your f---ing mind there. I am extremely familiar with FDU's academics and can tell you for a fact that their's is no different from DVC, LVC, or WDU. As a matter of fact they are so desperate at both campuses to recruit anyone athletes or not that almost anybody can qualify for academic money, and lots of it...so go on and delude yourself if it makes you feel better but FDU is no one to speak of standards!

As for GA he's won everywhere he's been not just DVC. He's more than an excellent offensive coach(he's brilliant if truth be told)he's an amazing motivator and he attracts the same kind of like-minded players. Will he continue to go undefeated at DVC and for how long no one can predict. But I will tell you that he is a winner and makes everyone around him better!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 23, 2005, 05:37:50 PM
I am not questioning GA as a coach. I know him very well as a former player. He is an excellent recruiter, motivator, and game day coach. He has surrounded himself with a great staff that includes one of the best young D coordinators around. My comments are directed more towards the fair weather fans/ alumni that are coming out and latching on to the program. They are the ones who do not know about being a winner. It is hard to sit at the top of the Mac and stay there for years Lyco and Widener know this for a fact. the DVC program is headed in the right direction lets wait and see if they can continue this new found success. Especially in the future without a stud QB.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 23, 2005, 06:27:16 PM
maAggie,
You are misinformed.  I cannot make statements for every school in the MAC, however, I know for an absolute fact, that LVC has not been on a level playing field with some of their competitors for years, as far as the academic standards of the athletes they have been allowed to recruit.  Their have been instances of kids with 1000 SAT scores, that could not gain admission, even with the coach begging the admissions department to admit the student.  I can assure you that athletic ability alone, will not gain you admission to LVC, unless you meet their academic standards.  I also know of a school in the MAC that recruited a kid that scored 800 on his college boards, he was accepted and was a four year starter.  This kid would not have been granted an interview at some of the MAC schools, LVC in particular.  By your statement concerning schools in the MAC accepting anybody they want on their team, are you implying that this is the route that DVC has taken?  That would certainly explain the worst to first sucess in the program in such a short period of time.  Not to break anybodies heart, but this is D3 football.  These kids should be students first and athletes second.  I have never seen a player in the MAC, that currently or in the past, has the ability to become a tradesman in the NFL.  These kids, when their college career is over, will have to make their mark in the world in the workplace and not the athletic field.  If some MAC schools are accepting kids for their athletic ability only, they are cheating their alumni, and the value of an education from that school.  My oldest son, who was a starter at LVC, is currently in  a nationally recognized law school, in the top 20% of his class.  The education he received at LVC is serving him well.  If other schools are accepting students for their athletic ability only, these schools will have numerous WALMART associates as future alumni.  Tell me maAggie , where would you prefer to have your degree from?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 23, 2005, 06:47:44 PM
Hey guys,
For everybody that wants to talk about MAC QB's.  What about a kid that is the top ranked passer to date this season, in the MAC.  Stats are 52 completions in 85 attempts for 706 yards, 6 TDS, and 5 INTS.  This young man is also ranked as number 2 in the conference in reference to total yards, 826.  If you have not guessed, it is Dan Kelly for LVC.  Not bad for a kid that happens to be playing on a 1 and 2 team.  If only the Dutchmen could get their defense on the same level as the offense.  The amazing Merlin has told me that it's going to be LVC over WU, 28-21.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 23, 2005, 07:02:43 PM
WUDLine:

I agree with your take in that last post.  Mangus is great and the Coordinator Clements doesn't get enough credit.  He's done a great job since coming over from Widener.  I also agree that a little historical perspective on Del Val's recent success in light of Lycoming and Widener's tradition wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 23, 2005, 07:19:04 PM
 Can Kelly play with the big boys. I don't know? We will find out as the competition gets better.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 23, 2005, 07:35:31 PM
On the whole academic argument (man, I feel like I'm in the NESCAC room), here's some more objective information on where the MAC schools rank academically.

Rather than play the anecdote game where anonymous (and thereby unverifiable) claims denounce or support colleges, I dug around in the 2006 US News & World Report rankings which use a bunch of factors to measure academic strength. 

Since the CC schools were mentioned, I threw the football playing members in as well.  As you'll see, some of these comparisons are tough to make across types of schools...

    >> As a University, JHU is outstanding ranked #13 in the country, in front of Brown and Cal-Berkley.  Very impressive.  The only other school classified as a University is Widener, which is in the third tier.

>> Most of the schools in these two conferences are considered liberal arts colleges.  You'll find most of the Centennial schools in the Top 100 – #39 F&M, #45 Dickinson, #47 Gettysburg, #71 Ursinus and #73 Muhlenberg.  The only MAC school with that distinction is #100 Juniata.

Many MAC schools are in the third tier of Liberal Arts Colleges.  In no particular order, that's where you'll find Albright, Lycoming, Moravian and Susquehanna along with the final CC school McDaniel.

>> Three MAC schools are classified as Northern Colleges.  Keep in mind these schools aren't compared to big universities or liberal arts schools either.  This is where you'll find #24 Leb Val, #33 King's and #68 Wilkes.

  >> Del Val is treated as a Comprehensive College where it is #23.  In other words, it's not compared to the big universities, little liberal arts colleges...or any other MAC or CC schools for that matter.

FDU-Florham campus isn't listed separately, though FDU in general (perhaps just Teaneck) is #62 under Universities-Masters in the North.

You can look this stuff over at: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/tools/brief/cosearch_advanced_brief.php

Now at least you can fight over shared knowledge if you want.  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 23, 2005, 08:10:48 PM
Gordon
Thanks for the objectivity....Maaggie will also note that DVC is listed as "less selective", while FDU (combined, not just Florham, whose stats are better) is "selective".....

I wasn't signaling out DVC, I was talking in generalizations. She (?) is the one who opened this can of worms. Academically, DVC is nowhere near FDU's Florham campus, period. There ARE players at a few MAC schools who received "academic" money that are rejected by our campus.
Maaggie also went as far as to suggest all MAC schools magically get financial aid for qualified athletes. Besides being completely against D3 rules, I can assure her that FDU's Florham campus does not provide ANY financial aid nor admissions aid to athletes.
Once again, I said FDU isn't Harvard. We're also probably not the most selective football conference school either. But FDU is in the top 5....
I'm not the only one who knows this to be true. The MAC may look VERY different in the next few years (in membership) because of, you guessed it, the academics (or lack thereof) of a few schools - but I won't name names ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 23, 2005, 08:33:06 PM
Be assured, Kelly can play with the big boys.  It's harder to play QB for a marginal team and put up numbers than it is playing for a superior team where your jersey never gets dirty.  Gordon, I appreciate your commentary on academic rankings but keep in mind this is for the student body as a whole.  If certain schools bring in "RINGERS" strictly for their athletic ability, this is only a small percentage of students and will not skew the academic rankings in either direction.  Again, be assured what I expressed in previous posts is accurate information.  I apologize to readers for any mispelled words in this or previous posts, I'm typing in a hurry and I was a biology major in college.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 23, 2005, 08:39:33 PM
And now moving from academics to leaders coaching and developing leaders on a peer to peer perspective, here is one reason why Lyco's defense is and will remain on top in the MAC this year....Simba
http://www.sungazette.com/articles.asp?articleID=17984
Oh....and that picture to the left...Mangus has a long way to go before he can even come close to be compared to Lyco's PA HALL OF FAME Head Coach!....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 23, 2005, 09:48:50 PM
MOJO, Since my son was accepted and recruited since his jr year by LVC, I guess my answer would be DVC. FDU also accepted and recruited him along with a couple of IAA schools, but he's at DVC and doing fine both academically and athletically thanks for asking.

It's always a losers metallity to look to justify their situation. If it makes you feel better to think you went to an academically superior school than please don't let me pop your bubble.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 23, 2005, 10:47:36 PM
maAggie,
Pursuant to your comments, I don't feel I went to an academically superior school, I am a LYCO grad.  I did not say that DVC is an academically inferior school.  The question I asked about DVC, was based on your incorrect statement that all MAC schools will let anyone in their programs and give them money, if they want them athletically.  Again I ask, is this the path DVC has taken to achieve their "recent" success?  If it is, I feel this was a bad decision, for previously posted reasons.  If the reason for success is that you truly have a dynamic coaching staff, that coach and recruit better than other staffs, congratulations on your teams success.  Also, congratulations to your son.  It sounds like he made a good choice for himself.  The facts I stated in previous posts are not excuses, just reality.  I will not comment concerning your verbage about losers, I would not want to embarass either one of us.  Have a nice day and watchout for LYCO.  GO WARRIORS!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 23, 2005, 11:01:09 PM
Please, let's talk football.

Until a large swath of D3 players go to the NFL - football is football, not a business to those who play it.  Academics will always vary between conferences, schools, regions, etc...it's always been that way. 

D3 is about getting your education - and playing some decent football games on the weekends.  Schools of all qualities, academic and athletic, have experienced some levels of success/failure - but they all educated their players as long as the players are dedicated.

So let's avoid the argument of..."my school's academics are better than your's." 

Let's talk football.

That being said - I'd be shocked if Del Val falls to Lyco as some have predicted on the board.  Lyco's offense was HORRIFIC against Widener last week - the Widener offense never tried to stretch the Lyco defense, something you know DVC will do.

I wouldn't be surprised to see DVC just keep flying for the end zone, because overall, the Lyco offense isn't imposing at all.  When these two met last year, there were about 30 mph winds throwing the whole game into a tizzy, so a calmer day could spell disaster for Lyco.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 23, 2005, 11:57:48 PM
If you can't make it to Williamsport tomorrow, you can catch the game on the Internet at: http://www.sportsjuice.com/.

Pregame begins at 1 PM with kickoff at 1:30 PM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 24, 2005, 05:49:31 AM
New to this format and posting although admittedly a biased Lycoming fan.  Before this post I read all previous msgs, interesting.  I must say that I am curious about the rise of DVC and the demise of Lycoming.  Could it be that Rob Curry is just not getting the recruits for Coach G he once did?  Today's game should be interesting and I am hoping for a Warrior upset but that still will not right the football ship of state in Williamsport.  Perhaps it is time to think about recruiting from somewhere else besides the Philly Catholic league?  Simba, we know each other personally.  All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 24, 2005, 07:44:28 AM
D3 football is the most unequal playing field in all of collegiate athletics.  While I do not agree with MOJO that any school will get any kid in with any amount of money, MOJO is correct that some schools will dip their standards down to help the football coach. 

If D3 football really wanted to make things more equal, they should make every potential recruit go thru the NCAA clearinghouse the same way NCAA schools higher up the ladder do. 

Personally, I think the population base in this part of the country is so large that you can find enough kids with a 1300 SAT and a 3.5 gpa to fill a roster.  If the coaches at these more academic schools spent more time recruiting and coaching then whining about the kids DVC can recruit, they might be more successful.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 24, 2005, 10:01:43 AM
Patron 2,
It was not I that made the statement, any school will admit any student and give them money, if they want them athletically.  Check with maAggie concerning that philosophy.  I commented on her statement.  Go Warriors and Go Dutchman!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: THE BRAIN on September 24, 2005, 11:39:50 AM
albright is gonna throw all over kings while the monarchs will provide very little offense with the new look stingy lion D

albright 28
kings 6
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on September 24, 2005, 11:53:43 AM
Listen all of a sudden Del Val wins a couple of games and everyone is up in arms about it...Then everyone starts asking questions about standards...who cares, mostly everyone on this board has graduated or either is over the age of 22...If you graduate from any MAC school you have as good a chance as anyone out in the real world(a Degree is a Degree)

Another thing about handling succes...who are you to question how del val treats or handles their succes...jeez lets the kids and alum go that haven't won in like 20 some years, let them enjoy themselves they deserve it...I was around when del val won the last two years it was amazing how the students, teachers, and alumni came together....

Another thing are you guys saying that someone who scored a 800 on there SAT doesn't deserve a chance in college rather than someone that scored a 1000 ...thats terrible that you guys would sit on here and talk about kids SAT scores (you guys ever think about their future) but then again i guess u guys were perfect student athletes (bullsh_ _)

Also besides Del Val great success the last two years nobody is talking about their offseason workout schedule...They work very hard in the offseason to be where they are....

O by the way ( lol ) you guys want to talk about handling success....hmm they guys on here talking about DVC not knowing how to handle success...seems like you guys aren't handling losing very well !!!!  Maybe you guys should learn how to handle that or is that hard for u alumni???? :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 24, 2005, 12:18:32 PM
Billman56--  Today I'm a LYCO FAN!! ::)  GO WARRIORS!! ;D


Ready to cry--  I got a "nutty bar" for ya. :P 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on September 24, 2005, 12:46:31 PM
well i dont know what it is about dvc....but they are winning...and when coachs win they get offered better jobs...mangus is gone...he is young and apparently great...so when he leaves we will see what happens to the (currently) top dog in the mac....that is providing that they dont lose this year...does anybody remember an article last year in the philly inq.. it talks about how many games dvc won last year...but could have easly lost...well the unsturdy bridge of luck will give in eventually...my guess it will fall aprt when mangus leaves...and lycos def. isnt going to do it this week....so stop with the predictions of lyco over dvc...

as for kelly of dvc...he is average...he rolls alot and isnt that fast...he is no mahn of the late lyco...wideners young athletic def. which is currently doing pritty well...will shut him down....even without me....

let me getta WU
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 24, 2005, 12:48:45 PM
An Officer and a Gentleman, Lyco80....Welcome back to the board....Found a HotSpot to use my Ipaq at Person Field and saw your post...Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 24, 2005, 03:06:23 PM
Anemic fist half Lyco Offense...3 chances to turn a turnover into a score and nothing....Geez!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 24, 2005, 04:09:04 PM
FINAL

Widener 41, LVC 38.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 24, 2005, 06:28:46 PM
Simba,

Hope to be at homecoming in two weeks.  Listened to game via streaming feed and could not believe Lycoming was unable to convert their turnover opportunities into points - not what you used to be able to expect from the Warriors.  It seemed DVC started very slowly from the broadcast.  Shame the lads could not take them out in the first half.  Is Coach G planning on building for the future with a Sophomore QB?  What do you think is hurting the team?  Are the other MAC teams that much more improved or has Lyco slipped that noticeably?

Glad to be in contact with you again after my trip to Djibouti Africa on behalf of Uncle Sam.

All the best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 24, 2005, 07:23:54 PM
First...Congratulations Aggies on your wins the past two weeks...To have that many turnovers against both Wilkes & Lyco and still win says alot about your team being able to regroup and bounce back to do whatever it takes to win....Good luck the rest of the season and special kudos to your Coal-Region QB from "The land of running water"....Yings & Wings are on me when you come back to the County....

Lyco80...Combination of both factors I believe...Parity in the MAC and a young inexperienced QB leading the "O"...Both QB's that have played the past 3 games must learn to react to pressure quicker by tucking it in and run or dump it out of bounds...Which leads into what I believe is the biggest opportunity for improvement...Consistent line play by the "O-Line" to eliminate all that pressure and to stick with their blocks until the whistle blows!....Very fundamental stuff....As for the "D"....They're doing a hell of a job all things considered...They're on the field too long because we can't sustain more than a couple drives a game the past two weeks....They're creating turnovers (today) and making great goal-line stands (last week)...Simba

AP release...
http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/12733860.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 24, 2005, 07:36:06 PM
Bigdoggy,
Are you on drugs?  How can you say Kelly is only an average QB?  Have you seen his numbers? (see previous post where I listed his stats)  He passed today for 367 yds, and quite frankly I think LVC gave WU all the game they could handle.  Are you sure you did not mean DVC's QB because in your post you said Kelly of DVC?  

Concerning the gentleman that questioned the insensitivty of criticizing not allowing admission to a student athlete with a SAT score of 800.  I do feel that SAT scores should not be the only criteria for admission to college, however you do have to have some type of minimum criteria for admission.  Albeit it is low, but even D1 programs have minimum academic standards that players must meet to be accepted and play ball at that level.  I feel like I'm pounding my head against the wall on this issue, because some of our posters want to win at all costs.  So I will leave you with this thought, drop all the criteria.  Maybe some of the schools can go to the zoo next season and get some trained gorillas to play defensive line.  I am certain some of our posters might agree, why not give a poor gorilla a chance.  Beam me up Scotty, there doesn't appear to be any intelligent life forms down here!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 24, 2005, 08:38:52 PM
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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 24, 2005, 09:22:01 PM
Josh, A tad to late to delete that post, maybe you should have thought it through a little longer before hitting the post button. Talk about unbelievably harsh!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 24, 2005, 10:03:23 PM
Josh, thank you for deleting your post.  I wouldn't be afraid to say that it might hurt your orders for photos.  As it stands, I'd like to see alot of these posts deleted.  Posts have gotten too harsh in here. 

Congrats to DVC on your win today!  The Albright/King's game sounded like it was one heck of a nail biter game to be at.  Watch out Aggies, the lions are coming for the title.  Great job to LVC today even though you didn't come away with the win, your team put up one heck of a fight.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 24, 2005, 10:20:29 PM
ACMOB....AKA, Little debbie....A closet lyco fan...I love it...please read the score board and find out whos fan you will be next week...Oh By the way...I got your nutty bar right here!!!

Simba...Very classy post congratulating DVC today. I honestly dont know who played tougher, The Lyco "D" or the referees.
We all complain about reerees calls but that is just part of the game from the fans perspective. However when DVC played Lyco in 2003, the same situation arose. Poor ball spots, questionable marks where the knee touched the ground, Lyco QB crossing the line of scrimmage blatantly and never called. I honestly dont understand how this crew has not been reported. They were horrendous. Phantom calls on the DVC "O" and it appeared that everytime Del Val had a long play and eventually a touch down it was again called back by a phantom flad. It just seems too coincidental that this has ocurred each time DVC has gone to Williamsport.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 24, 2005, 10:31:57 PM
To further comment regarding the refs at todays DVC/Lyco game. It almost seemed that  coach Girardi had a flag in his back pocket as he was making some of the calls for the refs.

Well finally at the end of the game handshake, Lyco showed how classless they truely are and started pushing and shoving the Del Val players before leaving the field and out came the racial slurs, and on an even higher note started mouthing off to the departing Del Val fans.  In my opinion coach Girardi should be coaching his team more people skills along with the X's and O's.  It was a classless display of a team who once was the class of the conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 24, 2005, 10:52:35 PM
Rockman...I was wondering if any other fans who have followed their respective teams to David person Field have had similar experiences.  The whole experience today, barring the eventual win, was dissapointing and ugly, tasteless and classless.

Come on all you MAC fans, have your teams experienced the same situations we observed today at Lyco?? Lets hear Ya!!!

Sorry Simba...just had to vent!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 24, 2005, 11:16:35 PM
I'll agree that the tone of today's game was disappointing, but I'm not pointing fingers at either side in particular.

While Hanna did look close to the line of scrimmage on his two long passes, I thought the penalties were fairly even handed with about 9 a side.

There were, however, way too many personal fouls for both teams and lots of jabbering back and forth between plays.  Aside from the fouls that got called, several guys on both sides tried to get away with cheap bumps and shoves after the whistle blew.  I only caught the tail end of the post game shouting, but that's an unfortunate way to ruin what's normally an opportunity to put in-game animosity aside and respect each other.  Not impressive for either team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 24, 2005, 11:27:18 PM
Gordon - very well said!  You put that post very eloquently and I wholeheartedly agree.  Thank you for getting your point across without lashing out or pointing fingers.   ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: swimma on September 25, 2005, 12:12:38 AM
i was at the lyco, dvc game and i am slightly more bias to the lyco squad as i go to the school....but....i do think they played terrible...i also don't think dvc should be a number six team....that talented of a qb shouldn't have so many turnovers....lyco's offense sucked..hanna the qb lacked so much confidence in any of his passes that his timing was off every time....coaching wise lyco sucked when it came to play calls both offensively and defensivly....on the d side lyco let up way too many third and long opportunites....on the offense it mostly rested at the qb cause he couldn't get through his progressions and the running game was the only semi productive thing, in which they killed themselves with penalties...
   
as a whole the game was ok nice hard hitting game with alot of stuid meatheadedness on both sides more on lyco's part we had trouble keeping our roid rage under control we might have been able to do ok......

dvc good luck if you play that way every week someones going to pick you off as you made too many mistakes to be a champion...just my opinion good luck

as for lyco they should leave the catholic league recruit scene and try the south jersey group 4 area those guys are beasts and have more talent then anyone they know of up here......s
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 25, 2005, 12:29:33 AM
I've been on both sides of the field at Lyco in recent vintage and all I can say is that historically Lyco's team and fans have been a class act.  Officiating can always be an issue, but I do feel this is not a result of the respective school's input, non the less it is a problem.  Personally, yes admittingly I am a Lyco fan except when they play LVC, I always believe there are two sides to every story.  Racism does not belong anywhere, but please do not forget that the racism card can be played both ways.  It would be interesting to hear Lyco's perspective on these supposed incidents.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 25, 2005, 06:42:02 AM
swimma,

Exactly how many schools are the South Jersey kids gonna drive by on the way to Williamsport that beat Lycoming??  Widener, DVC, Albright, Rowan... Kids will only drive so far to go play small college football...

When I post that you should put a fork in Lycoming, they are harsh words, but they are true.. Albright's new stadium is top notch.  If you think kids from Bucks, Chester, Montgomery counties are gonna drive out to Williamsport to get beat when they could play for DVC, Albright, or Widener that are closer to home - you have another thing coming.  If you think kids from Southern Jersey are gonna go even farther, wow... I just dont see it happening.

For years Lycoming made a living off of the Philly Catholic league.. They had better do something quick.. One more loss and I bet the Lycoming kids pack the season in like they did last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: swimma on September 25, 2005, 12:17:39 PM
patron2.....i completly agree but when recruiting is done properly the school should go further than one tallent pool and lyco has held onto the catholic league for too long...the guys there are great athletes but i kid you not those south jersey group four schools are a hot bed of talent....granted they do have to pass some other schools to get up here to good old willy po but lyco has some excellent traditions and more importantly the education is outstanding....i know that when i was looking for schools i checked out the wideners the albrights never got to del val...but every school has a turn off it just matters how much the recruit is willing to make it work...i know albright was the smallest school i ever saw(you could spit from one side of the campus to the other) and widener was just too close to home....everythings got its ups downs and turn arounds....lyco needs to do something and fast to right this sinking ship and i think it starts with motivation from the coaching staff which doesn't seem to be happening.

on a side note....the racial slurs are by far unacceptable of anyone in this day and age...i wasn't there for the end but i know that through out the game both teams where running their mouths at each other which is expected but i think lyco did it more and thats why the score showed up the way it did...they were too busy using their linquistic skills then keeping their mouths shut and playin football....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LurkinMomma on September 25, 2005, 01:55:18 PM
Although I totally agree that the tustle at the end of the game was 100% wrong, someone asked if anyone knew if the trash talk all came from Lyco's side. My boy told me that some of the guys from DVC wouldn't even shake their hand saying " you F***ers aren't fit to shake our hands"

Lyco should not have allowed themselves to be provoked, especially since some of them were behaving inappropately to begin with.

Unfortunate that there was bad behavior on both sides but it definitely was coming from both sides.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 25, 2005, 03:22:00 PM
Lurkin, funny how my son said the EXACT same thing about not shaking hands..but he said the starters from LYCO...said the F u and did Not shake the hands.....hmmmm.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2005, 03:24:15 PM
Perhaps all the hearsay about whose son says which team said what is a discussion you parents can have at the tailgate and not here. Let's try to talk about something else.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LurkinMomma on September 25, 2005, 03:31:23 PM
Like I said there was bad behavior on both sides........... what came first the chicken or the egg. We'll never know which side started it as I'm sure both teams will claim it was the other guy.  Regardless, it should never have progressed and I fault Lyco and DVC equally. 

I was not defending Lyco, simply answering the question if DVC also was making comments. I don't generally post because I don't want to get into debates about things I know little or nothing about. This was an issue I could simply answer a question. I was not by any means attacking DVC.

Sorry about the hearsay..... I didn't intend to start a debate and will not comment any further
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 25, 2005, 04:26:18 PM
Fellow LYCO Fans,
For many years we were spoiled.  Every season we all assumed that Coach G was gonna take us to the MAC promised land, and most years he did.  The reality is because of changes in recruiting dynamics, there is much more paridy in the MAC.  At this point in time most fans will agree the MAC championship goes through Doylestown (DVC).  This will change in time.  DVC can be beat!  As I stated in an earlier post, catch DVC when their game is off or somebody's game is on, and DVC loses.  Look at many current teams in the MAC, they are only a couple positions away from being a great team rather than a mediocre one.  I am still convinced that on any given Saturday, with the right circumstances, any team can defeat another.  I am confident LYCO will address the recruiting issue.  Keep the faith, Warrior fans. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 25, 2005, 05:48:53 PM
Back in the day, the trash talk was worst when we played Jersey teams (Upsala & FDU)...At that time though, it was just one or two players a game and the Ref's would eliminate it by calling a very close game on those individuals with the biggest mouths...Eventually those clowns (on both teams) got the message and stopped their bad behavior...These days, it's only one or two players that are not trash talking!...Look at all the personal fouls that were called on both teams yesterday...Quite a few times, offsetting...My way to shut someone up back then was to pancake their ass 10 yards downfield with a facemask burried between their numbers!!!....All legal and respectful...Guess what...They were the first to seek me out after the game to shake my hand first....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 25, 2005, 07:57:30 PM
Quote from: readytorock on September 24, 2005, 11:32:33 PM
Billman: "Ugly, tasteless and classless"  describes accurately the demeanor of a number of (not all) lyco players during and after the game.

It is true that there are a number of superb athletes who play for DVC who are black!  Lycoming is exclusively white! I cannot say that I personally heard a racial slur uttered. I can say that I witnessed a cowardly blindsiding of  # 87 for DVC,   by a  LYCO defensive team player.  I am sure players  on both sides were "talking smack"  as players routinely do.  Lets hope that the ugly spectre of racism  was not the motivation for the LYCO  bad behavior today. If it iwas its time for an attitude adjustment!
That statement is not correct...And I don't buy any of that race card crap you guys are laying out there...Look at picture #137 that D3's own Josh Bowerman took at the game posted on this website...Would these be the two alledged Lyco players yelling the racial slurs?
http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=312&photo=0137

And speaking of "factual" bad behavior, a third party witnessed plenty of it by DV's entire staff on the sideline during the first half of the game...I believe the DV frontrunner quote "Ugly, tasteless and classless" would fit just perfectly to those actions!...How about it Josh...Would you like to reconsider and let all these DV frontrunners read the post you deleted before they got home to read it?...You're not a Lyco fan right?...You're not bias?...Let it fly again...If not, I can paraphrase without your permission can't I?...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on September 25, 2005, 10:07:08 PM
Albright vs. Kings this weekend was absolutely unreal.  It was one of the best games I've ever seen.  The first half King's dominated.  They ran all over Albright's D.  Albright's O couldn't get anything going and the special teams had a few more mistakes.  The special teams is still shaky.  Kings lead 18-0 at halftime but Albright came back at Kings in the second half.  Albright's D came alive and Port starting getting the offense rolling.  with 2 minutes or so left Albright took the lead 23-20 on a TD pass.  Then with a little over a minute left King's College Qb Chris Barnic threw a bomb to his reciever who took it in for six.  Albright's crowd went silent but the offense came back out with just under a minute to work with.  Albright drove to ball to the 31 going in.  With 4 seconds left Port threw up a prayer to the corner of the endzone just before hitting hit by a King's player.  Albright's reciever was double covered and a King's player batted the ball down and out of no where #80 for Albright came in diving and caught the ball.  The place exploded as Albright took the lead as time expired.

It was ashame someone had to lose as both teams played hard all day.  It was a dog fight and it came down to the very last play.  Kings is 1-3 but are a very good 1-3 team.  Albright is 3-0 and you could say thats a good way to open up a new stadium.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2005, 10:48:07 PM
That's kind of a cheap-shot move, singling out someone's old post when you've made almost no posts yourself. Perhaps you should have a track record of your own before you go trashing someone else's.

Edit: Of course, ready2rock deleted his post after mine went up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 26, 2005, 12:07:01 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2005, 10:48:07 PM
That's kind of a cheap-shot move, singling out someone's old post when you've made almost no posts yourself. Perhaps you should have a track record of your own before you go trashing someone else's.

Edit: Of course, ready2rock deleted his post after mine went up.


Dang, how come that 15 minute rule isnt on this board?  What did it say?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 12:11:24 AM
Yeah, I left the default settings in place. I'll look into changing them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 26, 2005, 12:23:08 AM
good, its always good to catch someone with either their foot in their mouth or their head up their ass!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2005, 12:46:24 AM
Alright -- I believe that now Junior Varsity members cannot delete their posts. We'll see how that works out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 26, 2005, 07:19:55 AM
Simba,
I believe the statement, "A picture is worth a thousand words", is quite appropriate here.  Thanks for sharing. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 26, 2005, 08:32:05 AM
MOJO and I didn't say that DVC allowed anyone in just to play football. What I said and this is in reference to any school and as I've been through the recruiting process several times, they all allow a certain number of exceptions for coaches to get a player in...for example (and I know this for a fact)Rowan who's admit are over 1100 for non-athletes, but  football players are "exempt"...

As for the Warriors, they played well and even shut down DVC's best weapons(including intercepting the QB 4 times)but the Aggies were still able to get it done.

I must admit it was an embarrassment to sit in the DVC bleachers as the fans were really out of control. However, the coaching staff did a great job of reprimanding any player that was goaded into any extra-curricular activity. The game was a hard fought game and tempers were high, but the coaches were on top of every guy who opened their mouth(at least the DVC coaches were, can't speak for the Lyco coaches). Parents, however, need to understand their place and learn a little self-discipline!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2005, 09:33:24 AM
Simba--

Since you've called me out, the answer is "No", you cannot paraphrase my deleted post.  It was deleted because I decided that it was unduly harsh, and that ultimately, my opinion really doesn't matter.  FWIW, I've paraphrased for you a little further down...

I am an unashamed Hardin-Simmons fan who took in the DVC/Lycoming game this past Saturday to photographically document the contest for d3football.com.  I am not associated with either DVC or Lycoming in any way, and am an unpaid volunteer for this site. 

My only goal in being at the game was to get some nice, quality images of kids that they and their parents would be able to purchase as momentos and support this great website we all enjoy so much.  To that end, it was a successful day, and I hope that players and parents from both teams will purchase lots of prints!

Having disclosed that, all I will say about the game is that the sportsmanship I witnessed from players, coaches and fans from both DVC and Lycoming this past Saturday was less than I would have expected to see at a DIII game.  My personal hope is that this is not a trend for either team, but rather a single, isolated example of highly emotional young men in an extremely competitive situation not being able to keep their on-field behavior in check.   :-\

That's all I've got to say about that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 26, 2005, 09:37:47 AM
well said josh otherwise you are lowering yourself to those who participated in those classless acts on the field and in the stands at that game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 26, 2005, 09:40:50 AM
I have a poll question.  Moravian loses by 9 to DVC, handily beats Susquehanna, beats Kings at Kings 29-18 and routs Juniata (28-0, end of first quarter).  Albright squeaks by the same Kings team by 2 points at home and receives 24 votes for the D3 top 25.

I know polls are fickle, but c'mon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 26, 2005, 09:51:37 AM
 I would first like to congratulate the LVC football program for a hard fought game on Saturday. The team is well coached and has much more talent then I have seen at LVC in many years. They are a program that is on the way up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 26, 2005, 09:51:52 AM
Chores took me away from the DVC/LYCO game so I was unable to listen to the entire event.  It appears, juding from the posts of others, I missed a lot.

I cannot comment on what I do not know.  However, as a long-time alumnus and follower of Lycoming's athletics let me say that the behavior described in some of the postings is not only inconsistent with Coach G but also the administration and general demeanor of the college.  

Athletics are a spirited, competitive environment and losing can be extremely disappointing and while losing a contest is bitter, losing your character and poise is far more regrettable.

Congrats to a resurgent DVC program and team.  Life is often cyclical and in the late 1990s there were few MAC teams that could stand with Lycoming.  Now it is time for another leader to wear the mantle.  In any event, Go Warriors!

All the best.

Simba,

Will see you at homecoming on 8 October with wife and little one in tow.  Hope to see you then.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on September 26, 2005, 10:01:49 AM
Forgive me for posting on your boards MAC fans, but considering what happened in the stands at the Fisher/DVC game last year, does this behavior by DVC players and fans sound like it's a trend? I mean, two of their last five games have ended with opposing teams/fans seriously questioning DVC's class and sportsmanship.

I'm not trying to stir the pot, just an honest question from an objective outsider.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 26, 2005, 10:25:59 AM
I was at the DVC / WU game last year and watched much of the same behavior. One fan actually spit on a player and a coach while they trying to leave the field. In this case it was only some fans and was not the behavior of the players or coaches.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 26, 2005, 10:33:52 AM
i have witnessed it from both sides so those who live in glass houses wuline should not cast stones....unfortunately it is becoming the norm for a larger and larger number of schools to have some bad apples not all the students and or parents and or players. it is a shame because when alumni bring their kids back as i do to witness it on the field/stands is a shame when your kids look at you and ask does this go on all the time...do not cast this as just a dvc problem i have seen it at just about every school in the mac as well as div II and div I programs as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 26, 2005, 01:58:50 PM
Josh Bowerman...Very nice job with the photos, please come again.

Pat Coleman...Thanks again for setting up the photo shoot, very much appreciated..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 26, 2005, 02:05:30 PM
Upbrmeasap -
Please read my post more carefully. I stated that it was small group of fans and should not be a reflection af the team or coaches. If you are going to "throw stones" at least be accurate.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 26, 2005, 02:30:43 PM
excuse moi, my bad, i thought you were singling out dvc for having bad fans when a large number of colleges at all levels are having problems with fans when they buy a ticket feel it gives them the right to say and do whatever they want. btw josh looked at the photos of the dvc/lyco game and well done by all means pls come again and hopefully you will have a better experience next time....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2005, 02:35:25 PM
Thanks for the kind words.  Now please go purchase some photos!   ;)

I hope to be back for the Ithaca game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 26, 2005, 02:49:39 PM
MOJO...What is your current assessment of LVC's Kelly when he faces DVC's defense. How do you think he will respond??  Is he a scrambler or strictly a drop back passer??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 26, 2005, 04:49:06 PM
Billman,

I know that you directed your question to MOJO, but I am familiar with Kelly.  He is an excellent athlete and has played wide receiver, defensive back, and returned kicks during his LVC career.  I believe that he also served as the team's placekicker against WU last weekend.  Kelly is a threat to opposing defenses on the ground and in the air, and his ability to run gives defenses one more thing to worry about.

WUDLINE, thanks for the compliment about the LVC program being on the rise.  From what I hear, the administration has made a commitment to improving the football program.  I hope that these words are carried out by actions, but only time will tell.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 26, 2005, 04:55:33 PM
WUDLINE:

Thanks for your nice words about LVC. The Dutchmen are making steady progress under Jim Monos and his staff.

While I put little stock in the notion of "moral victories" -- a loss is a loss -- Saturday's narrow three-point defeat by one of the premier D3 venues is, I think, a sign of progress. Two years ago the Pioneers ran up 70 points on the Valley. (I'm ignoring last year's 3-0 LVC win in a game that could, charitably, be described as a mud-wrestling contest -- though any sort of win v. Widener is always welcome.   ;))

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 26, 2005, 06:48:17 PM
Billman,
Ditto LVCalum's comments.  It's not by accident that Kelly has been the top ranked passer in the MAC.  He's tough, smart, and athletic.  In my opinion, if he stays healthy, he will most likely break every passing record at LVC during his career.  Personnel has dictated that he be more of a play action/ scramble type player.  If given protection, Kelly will give DVC some headaches.  LVC"s O-line is a seasoned group.  With few exceptions , this O-line unit is virtually the same group that has started for the past three years.  Although vastly improved, the achielles heel for LVC, has been the defensive unit play.  This is not to say there aren't some talented players on that side of the ball, ie: Holzman (DB).  If the FOOTBALL GODS allow LVC to play O like they did last week against WU and the D to play the game of their life, DVC could be in for a unpleasant surprise.

Wudline, nice comments about LVC.  It's nice to see the coaching staff and the players finally getting some recognition from outside the LVC community.  Thanks!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LYCOFB on September 26, 2005, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: Simba on September 25, 2005, 07:57:30 PM
Quote from: readytorock on September 24, 2005, 11:32:33 PM
Billman: "Ugly, tasteless and classless"  describes accurately the demeanor of a number of (not all) lyco players during and after the game.

It is true that there are a number of superb athletes who play for DVC who are black!  Lycoming is exclusively white! I cannot say that I personally heard a racial slur uttered. I can say that I witnessed a cowardly blindsiding of  # 87 for DVC,   by a  LYCO defensive team player.  I am sure players  on both sides were "talking smack"  as players routinely do.  Lets hope that the ugly spectre of racism  was not the motivation for the LYCO  bad behavior today. If it iwas its time for an attitude adjustment!
Hey everyone new to this posting and messed up thats why i had to edit, but i took this quote out of Simba's responst to Billman's quote and i have news for all of you... I participated in that game and not a single part of that game or any other football game has to do with race... I in fact was the person who made the "cowardly blindsiding" hit? well i am not sure if any of you have played football in your past or currently, but its a physical game, and when someone comes across the middle of the field to catch a ball and you have a good clean shot on them, (no penalty, which there was none called on the hit) then you take it.... And the first thing after the game that i did while the post game confrontation was going on was makeing sure #87 from DEL VAL was ok, and telling him he played one heck of a game and I did not intend to hurt him... So instead of assuming things and making outrageous comments look for some factual evidence first.... o yea and i guess that the shot that our receiver took that put him out of the game was ok bc a white kid hit him right????? So there is no need to discuss that hit... 

Next point is the racial factor........ Yes Del Val is a Predominantly black team while LYCO is Predominantly white.. but are we all really going to stoop to that fact?? this is a college football game and I feel that I can speak for out entire LYCO team when I say that color has Absolutely nothing to do with any play in any game... And for those of you who feel it does get you self a copy of the LYCO vs Juniata game there was a very similar play where a player who is white (bc apparently this is an issue) ran a post from the defensive left to right and I put the same hit on him that i did on the Del Val player.... Football is Football and if you really think that you hit someone bc they are a different color then i feel sorry for you, bc problems like that i would hope would be far past you....

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: guyman on September 27, 2005, 09:14:33 AM
I agree with MacFan, Moravian should at least have some mention in the D3 poll.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 27, 2005, 09:55:30 AM
LycoFB

The response you were referring to was one that was sent to me from a poster who now has left this board and has deleted that post. Yes, I did use tasteless and classless, and at the time those words reflected my recollection of the aftermath of a very frustrating game fan wise, and I can only imagine how frustrated the players were. If I offended anyone I apologize here and now.

Wish you good luck the remainder of the season and of course injury free!!

Now lets get ready for week #5.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 27, 2005, 10:12:57 AM
MacFan762

Moravian is a very good team, and apparently so is Albright. I guess the better team will surface when they play this year.  I dont understand your preoccupation with the polls. Dont you feel that Moravian is getting any or enough PR???  Do you feel that Moravian should be ranked higher than Albright?  In my opinion the polls are just a guide as tho who is the stronger teams. It is not etched in stone.  Please enjoy the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 27, 2005, 10:20:31 AM
MacFan....Oops, sorry...just checked the schedule, Moravian dosent play Albright this year...How will we find out who is the better team???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on September 27, 2005, 10:36:57 AM
Bill,

No preoccupation here.  Just an observation supported by some observable facts and stats.  I acknowledge that polls are opinions and just wanted to point out that often they ignore what is clearly and plainly right in front of them.

As for the Hounds, I'm sure they are used to being overlooked.  It never seems to bother them and they continue to quietly execute with dignity and class.  Sooner or later it will be properly recognized.  In that, I have no doubt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 27, 2005, 01:32:11 PM
So Albright, a contender for the MAC, and King's probably the most exciting game in the MAC this year and there is one post about it.  How can you not say anything about a game that ended on the last play of the game and was decided by a deflected pass?  DVC beats up Lyco and there is an ugly incident and there is no end to the discussion.  It's an ugly incident, but probably time to put it behind you and talk about some football.
So...what is the biggest matchup this week?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 27, 2005, 02:51:17 PM
Splik

There has never been many Kings posters...and Albright posters, post sporadically....other than them, who would talk about it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 27, 2005, 03:09:16 PM
LYCoFB, I think your reference to DVC as being a "predominantly black" team says much about your preoccupation with race. I guess when you have only two players on a roster of 100+ players you would think that any other team would be "predominantly black." Oddly enough you are wrong, but who cares.

The bottom line is that the past "elite" teams are having a difficult time allowing a team who used to be the perennial doormat of the league to enjoy their success and admit they are doing some pretty good things with their football program. This improvement is particularly impressive if you look at the fact that DVC is underfunded and has less than impressive facilities. The kids on the DVC football team are there for an education and to play some excellent football and enjoy the experience. The previous powerhouses are having a difficult time admitting this is a good program with some outstanding coaches and players, and they are playing well. It's obvious there is a certain frustration level for those opponants and they resort to extracurricular activities which have no place on the field.

I personally had no problem with the hit on 87 in terms of being a cheap shot or flagrant, it was however, and should have been penalized, pass interference, as the hit came before the ball. As you could see it didn't keep 87 from coming back and making a number of fabulous plays. Big hits are part of the game and 87 knows this.

Perhaps the discussion should end with this: DVC did what it had to do to win the game, even overcoming their own mistakes. They will need to eliminate those things(off-sides, int's, unsportsmanlike penalties)if they are to reach their goal of back to back macs. I believe they will do so.

Good luck on the remainder of your schedule Lyco.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on September 27, 2005, 04:34:40 PM
lets drop the race comments and lets enjoy the season.  dvc is "predominately black" and thats all the kid said.  I don't think kids now a days even really think about race as being an issue as people a generation ago did.  so maggie just relax.  we all know DVC is one of the top 3 teams if not thee top team in the MAC.  After all they are defending champs.

as for moravian not being in the top 25, historically only 1 or 2 teams from the MAC make top 25 which is ashame because anyone who has watched a MAC game knows how good of football this league is.  personally i think evry year the two top teams in the MAC should make the playoffs.

As for no one talking about Albright's win over Kings thats also a shame.  I went and watched this game and I've been to plently MAC games before but this one ranks with one of the best games i've ever witnessed.  whether thats nfl, college, or high school.  the final 3 minutes there was 3 touchdowns.  kings was leading all game and albright came back with 3 minutes left.  Then kings came back leaving just under a minute left.  Then with 4 seconds left albright scores again as time expired off a batted down ball from a kings db.  the albright receiver dove and caught it.  the energy from the crowd that day was awesome and just defined what the mac is all about.  every team in this league is good people(DIII higher ups) just don't recognize the competition as much as they should. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 27, 2005, 04:35:50 PM
CONGRATULATIONS TO ...

RB John Ortiz (King's) and WR Adam Brossman (LVC) for earning a spot on the current D3Football.com "Team of the Week."

Ortiz had 59 carries* for 267 yards and two touchdowns v. Albright.

Brossman caught seven passes for 191 yards and three touchdowns (87, 35, and 03 yards) along with a two-point conversion catch v. Widener.

It's nice to see two MACers make the team the same week ....

---------------------------------------

* How does a running back have 59 carries -- a D3 record -- and not end up in the emergency room?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 27, 2005, 04:59:01 PM
Quote from: maAggie5 on September 27, 2005, 03:09:16 PM

The bottom line is that the past "elite" teams are having a difficult time allowing a team who used to be the perennial doormat of the league to enjoy their success and admit they are doing some pretty good things with their football program.

maAggie5

I think you are being a bit thin skinned....

Personally, I thought that LYCOFB's post took a lot of guts, and he without hitting everyone in the head with a hammer, pounded home the fact that the kids were just trying to play ball...and sometimes get carried away in the moment...I have a better time reconciling that than when fans get involved...

I guess I belong to the school of, "Act like you've been there before"....winning or losing....score a TD...hand the ball to the ref etc...

As to your blanket comment about the "elite" teams having an issue with DVC winning.  The fact is(and you will learn this) is that when you win for several years everyone guns for you...just ask the old guard for Lyco, WU, SU, Wilkes etc...

Also keep in mind that your audience (on this board) contains individuals who have supported/played on teams that have won or played in national Championship games....and their take is call yourself a powerhouse when you dominate a division or regional, not a conference....it sure is mine...

I personally wish DVC all the success in the world (not at Widener's expense :))
and will root for whomever makes it out of the MAC.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 27, 2005, 06:54:36 PM
Did Ortiz really have 59 carries in one game?  That's unbelievable!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 27, 2005, 07:06:37 PM
LVCALUM:

As hard as it might be to accept, that's the official D3football.com word on Ortiz's performance. He did a number on LVC two weeks ago, but with "only" 151 yards.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on September 27, 2005, 07:41:43 PM
Yes, Ortiz did have that many carries...though the record was slightly overshadowed by the frenetic finish.

Now....I asked earlier, and this is getting to be too much.

Quit it with the race comments.  A team, regardless of heritage, should be recognized by their play on the field not the color of their skin.  End of story.  If one team's player(s) happen to make racist comments - that is a personal problem, not endemic to the institution they represent. 

This is a forum to discuss football. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 27, 2005, 07:58:39 PM
I get tired just thinking about 59 carries.
bman
I'm neither an Albright or a King's poster, but it is hard not to notice a game as exciting as that one was.  I did not even get to see it on TV.
What's the big matchup this week?  King's-Susquehanna?
Or is it the battle of the Valleys? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 27, 2005, 08:24:42 PM
Bman,

Nice posting - I could not agree with you more on most accounts, and will, root for whomever moves forward from the MAC.

I live in Virginia and therefore keep an eye on non-MAC teams such as Christopher Newport, among others.  I am continually amazed by the NCAA playoff setup that permits teams, sometimes with 6-3 records, to be selected.  The MAC seems to always spend the season bruising one another in very heated contests that are as much a battle for football supremacy as they are about local bragging rights.  This struggle wears down eventual champions while other D3 teams seem to move effortlessly through their schedule entering the playoffs well-rested.

On the race matter:  I am sure Coach G and Rob Curry would love to recruit talented black/African-American athletes to Lycoming but lets be honest, Williamsport, PA is not all that cosmopolitan.   

In the end, this is really all about football, which can be a microcosm for life.  I say, good luck to all the teams, players, coaches, parents of MAC football.  To be a part of the sport as a college athlete is one of life's true treats - enjoy the moment to is fullest.  Go Warriors.

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 27, 2005, 09:16:36 PM
Warren,
Thanks for the update on the D3Team of the week.  Granted, I am biased towards LVC players, but Adam Brossman is an unbelievable talent.  I've never seen a kid that is as consistent a receiver as he is.  Anyone who reads this board knows I have consistently praised the abilities of Kelly at LVC.  I am a firm believer he can compete with any QB in the MAC.  That being said, Brossman is a big part of Kelly's success.  I have seen this kid make some catches that probably would have been picks, had another receiver been on the field.  I feel this kid is the best receiver in the MAC.  No, he doesn't have blinding speed but you'd be hard pressed to find a kid that can catch the ball in traffic better than he does.  As stated in earlier posts, I feel Kelly and Brossman could start for any team in the MAC, no disrespect intended.  I stated yesterday, if Kelly stays healthy, he will break every passing record at LVC in his career.  Ditto that statement for receiving records for Brossman.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LYCOFB on September 28, 2005, 12:15:23 AM
MAggie
i used the words "predominately black" as quoted from an earlier post... so you misunderstood my point on it which is ok and i agree drop all race issues are done with on the posts

My next issue is with me personally having a problem with Del Val winning, and i agree there are many people who this upsets, but i am certainly not one of them, yea it frustrates me losing to Del Val, but it frustrates me losing to any team. The best team in the league should win... and Del Val over the past two years has been the best team in the league hands down.. i am really glad that they are turning the program around down there.... My only reason for even posting anything on the game with Del Val was bc i felt personally attacked by earlier comments on the site... I feel that Del Val is a outstanding team and wish them best of luck in this years playoffs bc im sure they will be there..... 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2005, 08:07:42 AM
alright it looks like everyone is ready to move on past the issues of last weeks game. so it will be interesting to see how dvc reacts after an emotional win over lyco. lvc has some good players and should be a worthy opponent although its homecoming for dvc and with a off week the following week, i expect dvc will pull away in the second half. one thing i want to see is if dvc has any more of "going thru the motion" games like they had against wilkes. where after the game coach mangus waves off the media and rips into the players and coaching staff and tells them both about taking teams for granted. And proceeded to have a staff meeting next morning at 8a.m. sunday morning in his office to drive home the point and make sure that never happens again. He was more than a little fired up after that game at his players and staff.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 28, 2005, 02:11:19 PM
Let me first say that I am sorry for even commenting on this topic. However, I am at the point I feel I must say something. The racial discussions steming from the DVC / LYCO game need to stop. As previously mentioned by Pat, this site is set up for us to discuss football. In a year that we are lucky enough to have so many other stories to focus on why must we continue to focus on a negative. There are to many great players spread throughout our conference that truely deserve our attention.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 28, 2005, 03:50:52 PM
Quote from: upbrmeasap on September 28, 2005, 08:07:42 AM
...i expect dvc will pull away in the second half...
upbrmeasap
you sound like a broken record.  I swear I read that in every prediction you have made for DVC.  Not taking LVC lightly, I think they need to dominate on their homecoming if they are really as good as advertised.
To be a great team, like past Lycoming and Widener teams, it seems you should dominate from beginning to end.  Beating Lycoming by 3TD's any year means your really good, but the big question seems to be whether DVC can continue their recent success and be dominant like Lycoming and Widener have been. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2005, 03:57:23 PM
ok splik or should i call you jimmy the greek? please refresh my memory when was the last time dvc lost a mac game? they will most likely run the table again this year so if you dont lose a mac game for 2.5 seasons i guess that is not dominating in your book. for those of us who have so much less knowledge that your mighty self please enlighten to what you would call a dominating team in the mac record wise? us little guys here at dvc are hanging on your every word..... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 28, 2005, 04:10:41 PM
At risk of raining on someone's parade ... folks need to realize that dominance never lasts forever and, like glory, is often transitory.

Today's DVC "dominance" isn't necessarily tomorrow's. So enjoy it while you can.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2005, 04:52:38 PM
i have the umbrella out and i more than realize that most things in life are cyclical just look around. I more than know there are lots of people lining up to knock you off the top of the mountain. just asking a clarification on domininance thats all.... 8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 28, 2005, 06:12:40 PM
DVC Fans,
LVC will be a worthy opponent.  If the Aggies take them lightly, I assure you they are at risk.  I make this statement based on several facts:

1.  DVC is coming off a very emotional game with LYCO.  Can they get up for a game where I'm sure they feel they are a superior team.

2.  LVC although having a losing record, has had a paradigm shift in their thought process, they believe, and rightfully so, they can compete with anybody in the MAC.  I don't think this has been a historic thought process for this program in the past.

3.  LVC got hammered by this team last year.  A victory over this team for LVC, at this point in the season being 1 - 3, would be the equivalent of winning the MAC for many of their players and could pave the way to this team finishing in the top half of the division.

This is going to be a great game.  Go Dutchmen!

Also, best of luck to the Warriors!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 28, 2005, 08:10:38 PM
Fellow MAC Fans,
Looked over some of the other teams in other conferences.  I'm sure that some of the posters can bring more accurate info to the table, but can ANYBODY in the MAC play with Rowan this year.  At least on the scoreboard, it appears they are really kickin some tail.  Saw they came back 21 pts and defeated Robert Morris, a D1AA team.  No small feat for a D3 team.  Also, no disrespect intended, but they hammered DVC in the playoffs last year and when looking at last years MAC teams, DVC was clearly the best team in our league.  Input would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LYCOFB on September 28, 2005, 08:41:01 PM
Hey MOJO Im not really sure what Rowan has to do with the MAC, but anything can happen in any game... Rowan might have beat DVC last year yes, and they might be a far better team of paper then any MAC team, but it does not make them unbeatable... If DVC could get good team chemistry, and play upto their potential they can win any game... I feel there problem sometimes is they play just above the level of there opponents.... which is the reason for some of there games in the past two years being close games with teams who had no where near the talent of DVC..... But as i said before they have the talent, only if they decide to come and play can they beat a team like Rowan...

GO LYCO
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on September 28, 2005, 08:50:21 PM
MOJO: Rowan looks very tough once again, of course when you're playing with predominantly D-I washouts, it's not too hard to win at the D-III level. Sakim Wright is having a monumental season and will be trouble for the DVC dbs because he's got a height advantage. That said, I think that GA will have this team prepared and having one NCAA appearance will help them. Of course, you first have to get there, and that will be a bumpy road indeed.

I think all the talk about "great teams", "dynasties", winning year in and year out, is really nothing but wishful thinking on the parts of those parties doing the talking. Try focusing on the here and now, where DVC is 4-0, hopefully, they'll win this Saturday and go to 5-0. They are capable, and the margin of victory is meaningless, as many have stated that LVC is greatly improved. Therefor, winning by even 1 point is a great win and that's what DVC is focused on doing---WINNING one at a time.

So let's have an enjoyable homecoming and give the alum something to cheer about. The stands will be filled with crazies once again and it should be great football weather so ----- GO AGGIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2005, 08:59:25 PM
Quote from: maAggie5 on September 28, 2005, 08:50:21 PM
MOJO: Rowan looks very tough once again, of course when you're playing with predominantly D-I washouts, it's not too hard to win at the D-III level.

I think you're stuck in a late '90s stereotype of Rowan. They may have more transfers from Del Val there than any D-I school.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on September 28, 2005, 09:51:07 PM
what is a DI washout anyway?

Pat, how many DVC transfers do they have ..I was only aware of one?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 28, 2005, 10:18:57 PM
D3Phan:

To my knowledge Rowan has two -- Whetstone and Tolbert.

As Pat mentioned, that stereotype of Rowan as the land of Division I castaways doesn't fit any more.  I've heard Wright, who began his collegiate career at ECU, came home partly due to a serious illness he overcame.  No shame in that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 28, 2005, 10:25:59 PM
yea those d1 castaways now go to Delaware.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2005, 10:38:16 PM
Which is also a D-I school. :)

I-AA schools don't cotton to not being referred to as D-I. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 28, 2005, 10:56:55 PM
aka "Lil Debbie" (MAC board) ::)

Billman50cents--  I'm a Rowan fan not MSU!  How's that acid ball?  >:(

Answer to your question MOJO-- NOOOOOOOOOO!! :P

LycoFB--  RU related to the MAC via East region playoffs, unless they are moved back south.  Not likely.  Also, RU is better on the field, not on paper!  Check recent history before betting. ;)

Pay attention to maAggie and win the "big" MAC first.  Enough ZINGERS for now!!! ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on September 29, 2005, 12:31:44 AM
Maggie 5

Now that wasn't a very nice thing to say "D-1 washouts".   One might think that you were envious ::).  By the way,what the he** is a "D-1 washout"?  If transfers bother you so much, before you label kids as "washouts",  you should get your facts straight as to why they  transferred.  Also, would you label Whetstone and Tolbert as "DVC washouts"?

Since you seem to be all-knowing and have an inside track to GA and how he'll prepare for RU and Wright, mention to him that he might not want to overlook Silva, Katcher, the Stys brothers, D'Imperio, Jenkins, Sampson, Eisenhart, etc.  He might also want to take a gander at Orihel, Encarnacion and Richardson. 

Once you and he solve those minor problems, there are a few defensive guys you might want to ponder.  8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 29, 2005, 08:35:51 AM
mojo i have heard about the players on lvc's offense who are some players on defense that we should keep and eye on? thx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 29, 2005, 09:12:19 AM
Quote from: upbrmeasap on September 28, 2005, 03:57:23 PM
ok splik or should i call you jimmy the greek? please refresh my memory when was the last time dvc lost a mac game? they will most likely run the table again this year so if you dont lose a mac game for 2.5 seasons i guess that is not dominating in your book. for those of us who have so much less knowledge that your mighty self please enlighten to what you would call a dominating team in the mac record wise? us little guys here at dvc are hanging on your every word..... ::)

I think I like splik better.  I don't know if they'll run the table if they don't dominate/show-up from the very beginning of games.  They're real good, but they (just like everyone else) are beatable, especially if they rely on pulling away in the second half all the time.  Also, thank you for noticing my mightiness as my book should be hitting shelves in the next few months.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 29, 2005, 09:22:06 AM
The DVC/LVC game this week will not be a walk in the park for either team and especially DVC. The Home coming thing has got them pumped and I dont think any team is taking LVC lightly and their record dosent reflect the talent on board. I think it will be a good game but not a blowout like the last meeting.

DVC   42    LVC   24

GO AGGIES!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 29, 2005, 09:26:43 AM
referring to the topic of anybody in the MAC beating Rowan, its not gonna happen. I was at the DVC Rowan game last year and it was total domination from start to finish. 49-0 at half time. DVC is not on the Rowan level yet, maybe someday, but not yet.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 29, 2005, 09:29:27 AM
i agree at this point chum slam although i want to see how they finish the season. the experience last year should help. after the first play when rowan hit that long pass against them it rocked them back on their heels and they lost confidence and never recovered. rowan again looks very strong but i would really like a rematch to see what mangus and co. learned from last years game against them and how we stack up against them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 29, 2005, 09:43:08 AM
A rematch would be nice. But I think that Rowan was superior in size, strength, speed, and attitude. They looked like they knew they were going to blow them out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 29, 2005, 09:48:38 AM
i agree they were deer in headlights after that first long pass i think this years game would be much closer (heck anything would be closer than last years game!!) but interesting to me i would of liked to see linfield since they beat rowan the following week as bad as they spanked us. linfield again is ranked very high and i would assume returns a fair amount of players and will be very difficult to beat.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 29, 2005, 11:13:37 AM
Last years hammering of DVC by Rowan was a chain saw going through butter. You cant coach size and speed and they had both. In my opinion, I think it is time for Rowan to move up to DII or DI-AA.

There was talk earlier of DI "Washouts" going there and a couple of DIII "Washouts" from DVC going there. Well I am here to tell you that Tolbert and Whetstone from DVC were not washouts but very good players. They were either recruited by Rowan or transfered for other reasons...they are sorely missed at DVC.  DI transfers???? I think he ended up at Linfield and played QB.....

Pat... I know transferring up to DI and player must sit out a season, but Does DIII have anything in place like that...Help me out here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 29, 2005, 11:15:51 AM
ACMOB....So you come out of the closet and are a Rowan supporter...that is a good thing....Now as an admitted "Front Runner" who will you be pulling for this week Notre Dame?????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2005, 11:18:02 AM
Billman56:

A transfer from one D3 venue to another does not have to sit out a season.

[NOTE: See the front-page story on the receiver who transferred from Norwich to Mt. Union.]
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2005, 11:28:41 AM
Some conferences impose rules on players transferring between conference schools, but there is no Division III rule on a national level, as Warren points out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 29, 2005, 11:43:32 AM
I was recruited by a D1AA school while I was playing D3. I dont think I could have sat for a year, I would have gone crazy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on September 29, 2005, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: Billman56 on September 29, 2005, 11:13:37 AM
They were either recruited by Rowan or transfered for other reasons...

Billman

Suggesting that Whetstone and Tolbert were recruited by RU is a serious allegation. 

Both kids are from deep S. Jersey........did you ever consider that either or both wanted to get closer to home to play in front of family & friends or that maybe the in-state NJ tuition was a whole he** of a lot lower than DVC. ???

Maybe they didn't like the DVC program, didn't like Mangus, didn't like Dowlestown, didn't play enough, wanted a better chance at a national title, missed their pet goldfish, etc.  Who knows?  Could be all, some or none of these reasons.

I don't know their motivations and, from your post, it appears that you don't either, but to suggest that they were recruited without proof is wrong. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 29, 2005, 01:45:37 PM
Tuition savings was the big reason both decided to transfer. Coming out of HS neither player could get into Rowan academically, so they went to Del Val instead.

Thought I'd put an end to the conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on September 29, 2005, 01:50:01 PM
Pat...Warren...I must have made the post clear....As I understand it, you have to sit out a season when making the move upward from DIII to DII or higher? Is this a correct statement?  On the other hand what is the criteria when making a move downward to DIII, say from DI-AA for instance??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 29, 2005, 02:01:11 PM
Any team that is thinking about whether or not they can compete with Rowan at this point in the season won't ever get a chance to find out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 29, 2005, 02:29:32 PM
JT's right about Whetstone and Tolbert regarding cost concerns.

Coach Mangus said as much in my first interview with him of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 29, 2005, 02:32:50 PM
Since D3 is not supposed to be like the "big boys" in DI, is transferring for playing time really that common?  I can understand the idea of transferring for a multitude of non-football related issues, but it does not necessarily make sense to transfer for PT when there is so little chance of getting noticed and playing on Sunday afternoons.  These players are supposed to be STUDENT-athletes and in my experience I was treated as such, but reading the article on the front page makes me wonder if that is the norm.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 29, 2005, 05:07:09 PM
RU fan

Don't worry, those two were just a make up for a certain RU QB who defected to the MAC a few years ago ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 29, 2005, 06:08:52 PM
bman,

We got the better end of that deal too :)
Title: C
Post by: MOJO on September 29, 2005, 09:01:04 PM
MAC Fans,
My reason for bringing up the Rowan discussion was that whoever captures the MAC crown, will probably meet up with Rowan, and/or a similar team in the playoffs.  From what I have seen on paper, I do not believe there is a team in the MAC that could take them to task.  The other year they played Millersville, a D2 team, and literally ripped them apart. (Albeit this was a mediocre Millersville team)

Kids that I have seen transfer to D3 schools from D1 are usually D1AA and not D1.  These kids usually transfer down because they are getting limited to nil time on the field in the program they are leaving, and want to play.  I think it is unfair to state that these kids are washouts.  These kids realize that they only have 4 years of eligibility, post high school, to play ball.  The likelyhood that this type player would ever get to play Sunday afternoons is nonexistent.  You can't criticize a kid for wanting to play, particularly when they can positively contribute to another progam.  I would be embarassed to refer to these type players in "WASHOUT" terminology, after my team "got beat like a rented mule" last year in the playoffs. (DVC vs Rowan)  When comparing Rowan to any school in the MAC, to be concise, Rowan is bigger, faster, and stronger.  The two teams I follow in the MAC (LVC and LYCO)have each had ,one transfer from an upper division, in recent vintage.  LYCO had a starting QB that was from Millersville (D2) and LVC had a reserve QB from VMI (think D1AA).

I do agree a win is a win.  With that being said, I believe to play at the playoff level and be successful, you gotta be able to consistently play 4 quarters of good ball.  You also gotta have the eye of the tiger, the killer instinct.  I found it interesting to read LYCOFB's comments that he thought DVC only played up to their competition.  Be assured this approach will not bring success at the playoff level, particularly with teams like a Rowan. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on September 29, 2005, 09:13:24 PM
Billman--  As a Wolverine fan, rooting for the "Golden Domers" is not going to happen!!  DVC set themselves a standard last year in the MAC and matching it will be more difficult with teams gunnin' for 'em.

What name is al(ready to...) vanish under now??

YO MO--  good question, but a bit premature.  Alot of business needs to be taken care of within conferences.  GOOD LUCK THIS WEEK!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on September 29, 2005, 09:18:03 PM
that wasn't a mediocre Millersville team, that was a pretty bad MU team, but Rowan kicking the crap out of them was a pretty good feat.  
Is it fair to say football is the only reason these guys are transferring/?  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 29, 2005, 10:29:50 PM
I agree with AC.

There's an awful lot of football to play before DVC fans can even entertain a game with Rowan.

If DVC loses to Albright, it's not a sure thing the Aggies are even in the playoffs.  Plus I think IC and SJF are at least as good as DVC and we might even see a Liberty League teams factor into the fun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 29, 2005, 11:44:44 PM
Don Hansen's football predictions for this week:

DVC 49           LVC  0
Albright  27    Juniata  14
King's  28       Susquehanna  14
Lycoming  31  FDU-Florham  31-14
Moravian  21  Widener  14

I'm hoping for a DVC win but this score may be a bit too high.  LVC is a tough team and I don't think it will be a blow out as predicted here.  My prediction DVC 28, LVC 14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on September 30, 2005, 08:49:44 AM
In regards to Rowan beating Millersville... I dont know how much stock I would put into transfers, although they get their share...

There are no d2 schools in Jersey.  Not much for 1AA either.  Since state grant money doesnt travel over the PA/NJ line, PSAC schools really are hamstrung when it comes to recruiting legit d2 players in NJ.

What's this all mean?  It means Rowan is playing d3 football with d2 kids, in a conference with a 100 man roster limit, and a state that has a lot of talent to spread around.  I am not surprised at all that they crushed Millersville.

I was more surprised to see them get waxed the way they did against Linfield.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 30, 2005, 09:19:47 AM
This post room is set up for the discussion of MAC football. Who cares about Rowan at this point. Lets talk about the conference games this week. I also think the 49 - 0 DVC score may be high. I was very impressed with LVC last week. They are a good young team with alot of confidence. I do not think they will just roll over for the Mighty Aggies. Albright should handel Juniata easily. Don Hansens perdiction may be a bit off this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on September 30, 2005, 09:48:15 AM
WUDLINE,

I hope your assessment of LVC is correct.  I have yet to see them play, as I am now living in Pittsburgh.  As a side note, I wonder how MAC teams view the Aggies these days.  When I played, the powerhouses of the conference were Lyco and WU, and, to a lesser extent, Wilkes.  Those teams had been very good for a long time, so there was kind of an aura about them.  I wonder if DVC has that same aura, given that they were a MAC doormat for so long.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 30, 2005, 10:11:10 AM
For what it is worth, here is my predictions for the week.

DVC        35    LVC                 21
Albright   42   Juniata            14
King's      21   Susquehanna   7
Lycoming 35   FDU-Florham   14
Widener  38   Moravian         35
TCNJ      166   Rowan              4


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on September 30, 2005, 10:42:37 AM
LVCALUM when did u play ? what position ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 30, 2005, 11:26:53 AM
I hate to burst everyones bubble, but DVC will without question handle LVC.  I know everyone wants to stick up for LVC because they have show some moments of brilliance.  Yet, moments get you nothing, they are not the quality team that DelVal is, Cook will run for a mile, and the DV defense will have a good game. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4merprof on September 30, 2005, 12:12:05 PM
BMAN,

That's kinda funny, your RU vs. TCNJ prediction.  However, I don't think TCNJ will score that many points the entire season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 30, 2005, 12:38:19 PM
Also, to everyone who is already placing their team against Rowan in whatever round of the playoffs.  Rowan has not made the playoffs yet this year.  Its only the 5th week of the season, they could still lose, although I do see them as a playoff team.  However, nobody in the MAC has room to place themselves in the playoffs.  Its WEEK FIVE.  You have to finish first in the MAC or get the next bid, and last time I checked NOBODY has clinched the MAC just yet.  Lets cut the "When we play Rowan" talk, because Rowan still has to make the playoffs, and that stays the same for every team represented in this board.  And, please dont give me the "Well Last year" comment, because let me tell you something, Last year is over and done with.  DVC is the reigning MAC champs, and that means absolutely nothing right now.  FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO FORGOT THIS IS WHY THE GAMES ARE PLAYED, AND THERE IS A LOT OF SEASON LEFT.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 30, 2005, 12:55:17 PM
Predictions for 10/1

Moravian over Widener
Delaware Valley over Lebanon Valley
Lycoming over FDU
King's over Susquehanna
Albright over Juniata

Last Week (4-1)
OverAll Record (15-2)

Opinions appreciated....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rosey on September 30, 2005, 12:57:53 PM
I believe there is no MAC team that could beat Rowan this year.   I agree with "Dog" playoff talk now is too early in the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on September 30, 2005, 01:52:47 PM
lvc upsets dvc this weekend, you heard it hear first
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 30, 2005, 01:59:00 PM
alright its homecoming at dvc anyone going to the game/homecoming this weekend. i am going to try and make it.....readytorock or billman???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 30, 2005, 08:32:03 PM
YAWOHL DYNASTY,
DEUTCHMANN UBER AGGIES! 21-14 BLIETZKRIEG!!!!!!!!!!!!,

YO DOG,
DON'T GET SO EMOTIONAL.  IF THE DUTCHMAN DEFEAT THE AGGIES, I CAN RECOMMEND A GOOD THERAPIST FOR THE DEPRESSED AGGIE FANS.  ALSO, THE ROWAN QUESTION WAS APPROPRIATE, BECAUSE WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS WE ARE FANS AND/OR FORMER PLAYERS, NOT CURRENT PLAYERS.  WE CAN SPECULATE, CURRENT PLAYERS MUST THINK ONLY IN TERMS OF ONE TEAM AT A TIME.  OTHERWISE, THEY ARE DOOMED.  IT DON'T MATTER WHAT YOU OR I ARE THINKING OR QUESTIONS WE ARE ASKING, WE AREN'T PLAYING OR COACHING. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on September 30, 2005, 09:27:23 PM
one game at a time is the way to look at things for everyone at this point, most teams in the mac can play with anyone, even those looked at as 'lesser skilled' teams. the 'battle of the valleys' has long been a heated game for dvc and lvc had been the doormats of the conference. now dvc is a very talented team and the lvc has great potential, watch out for a barnburner in doylestown. as for the rowan comments earlier, they are the team to beat in the northeast so they make a great team to compare others to.

again, watch out for the dutchmen saturday, its their game to make a statement in the mac!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 30, 2005, 11:53:36 PM
If you can't make it to Doylestown, you can still catch the "Battle of the Valleys" on the internet.

Pregame coverage begins at 12:30 PM with kickoff at 1 PM on www.sportsjuice.com.

Shoot us an email during the game at pngsports@msn.com if you're so inclined.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 01, 2005, 09:33:34 AM
Gameday is here.  Any chance LVC's Coach Monas has consulted with ex boxing great, Muhammed Ali, and has come up with a defensive version of the Rope a Dope, to tire/wear out the DVC O.  Although, no matter what the outcome, I'll be supporting LVC.  For LVC to be in this, they must play their best game of the year on both sides of the ball.  Go Dutchman!  Best of luck to the Warriors also.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mondaya.m.qb on October 01, 2005, 10:48:53 AM
The rope a dope is not going to help...DVC is at one level, the rest of the league another!!

With that said the DVC players will work for most the other MAC players for remainder of their life so let the aggies enjoy being a non-acadmic team in a mostly academic league.

best of luck d-men..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 01, 2005, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: mondaya.m.qb on October 01, 2005, 10:48:53 AM


With that said the DVC players will work for most the other MAC players for remainder of their life so let the aggies enjoy being a non-acadmic team in a mostly academic league.


Hey, mondaya:

That's a damned ignorant comment above. How long did it take you to think it up?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mondaya.m.qb on October 01, 2005, 04:23:23 PM
Ignorant huh??

Face it the real ignorance on this board is from everyone that thinks that all the MAC schools are alike and recruit the same student athletes.  With the exception of Knoblach(who was a very good HS student) there may be a handful of players on the DVC roster that were admitted to any other MAC schools.

Please understand this is not a knock at DVC or Coach Mangus.  The school had a need several years ago.  That need was to fill the seats in the classroom with bodies.  Coach Mangus filled that need by filling emptyseats in the classrooms with football players.  Any other coach in the MAC would do the same.  But the people on this board need to recognize that in the MAC there are schools that are considered competitive academically and those that are not.  DVC is not...but they do fill a need for those students that cannot even be recruited by the other schools.  Make no mistake about it Coach Mangus and his staff work their butt off.   They find players who may not be students but can play and then they have to keep them in school.

Warren,
I am anything but ignorant on the subjects of recruiting, coaching, or understanding how small colleges operate.  My previous statement can be labeled as strong or out of line but not ignorant!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on October 01, 2005, 05:10:32 PM
FDU-41  Lyco-14 after 3qts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 01, 2005, 05:45:01 PM
I would say mainly you're jealous and need to insult someone else to make yourself feel important. As was stated last week give up the academic comparisons, they are totally irrelevant on this board.

Now for all those who predicted a close game or were even dreaming of a LVC win, guess you got a jolt of reality today. DVC should have had two more scores and a shut-out. I saw nothing from LVC except horrific tackling and blocking.

Lastly, I would like to point out that although the DVC offense is highly touted the defense has been outstanding and most impressive.

Congrats Aggies on a great win!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 01, 2005, 06:27:35 PM
After another beating, does Lycoming pack it in this year like they did last year?  I never would have thought that FDU would have dropped a bomb on them like that.  The game with Wilkes is a big one isnt it?  Then Ithaca is on the schedule... They could start 1-5. 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on October 01, 2005, 06:30:07 PM
What happened to Lycoming? I was planning on making the trip from Ithaca in a couple weeks, but will it be worth it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 01, 2005, 07:00:36 PM
Congratulations Bill...

Big win at home for the Devils!...FDU took it to the Warriors from the beginning of the game and never let up...A blow out no less....Have a Yuengling on me....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 01, 2005, 07:05:07 PM
Simba

I will be nice to you the rest of the year...I feel your pain...

mondaya.m.qb


Make post # 2 your last, unless you have something to add of value...that trash doesn't belong here....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 01, 2005, 07:16:21 PM
Wow, I'm shell shocked, I could not attend the game but listened on radio.  LVC got their clocks cleaned.  I was hoping that after the emotional win at LYCO, and their playing an inferior team, to catch DVC down.  Obviously that didn't happen.  Also, did anybody see the LYCO debacle coming.  Looks like that emotional component possibly hit LYCO instead of DVC.  What about the Albright game?  I know there's alot of football left, but barring any catastrophic events (injuries), the MAC crown again goes through Doylestown.  Congratulations on a great game.  Best of luck the rest of the season Aggies.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 01, 2005, 07:23:23 PM
first and foremost, congrats to dvc for their win today. they are a very talented team who is extremely well coached. and yes i am going as far as to say dvc won today with class, there was limited 'jawing' and tomfoolery, which (in question) was pronounced their style.

second, the comment made "their will work for us" is totally uncalled for and demeaning to the athletes of del val. Although dvc may not be a juniata or lvc of the mac when it comes to academia, they are a institution of higher learning and the rest of the mac are not ivy league teams.

the dvc and lvc game was rather opposite of what i expected, but dvc has great athletes and seemingly can go very far this post season. congrats to all those who won this weekend.


go dutchmen
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on October 01, 2005, 08:42:03 PM
Quote from: maAggie5 on October 01, 2005, 05:45:01 PM
I would say mainly you're jealous and need to insult someone else to make yourself feel important.

Maggie 5

The nerve of that guy!  That's almost as bad as calling someone a "D-I washout".
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 01, 2005, 08:50:17 PM
Nice game for the Poster(s') Children today.

Miller hit another FG and all his PATs.  Murphy gets INT #5.  Cook played limited action but was effective in his only drive.

Good game overall for the Aggies.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 01, 2005, 09:46:50 PM
Yo RU fan why so defensive??? What's the big deal? Does RU not have kids good enough to play--and some were--D-I athletics? They left D-I for one reason or another, and now they are playing at Rowan. What luck for them. If it bothers you so much there must be a reason.

Now since this is a MAC board, I've nothing more to say about NJAC teams.

Just wanted to make an observation about D-III football as witnessed at DVC/LVC today...it's football in it's purest form. Nobody running out of bounds to avoid tackles...guys busting it for extra yards on every play! It sure beats the heck out of watching Sunday football with all the guys worrying about their paychecks.

Great weather, great football, nothing better than that!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 01, 2005, 10:02:57 PM
Thanks Gordo...they were all not pretty but went through just the same.

Readytorock.....your player has certainly got his stuff together...Nice job for him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 01, 2005, 11:20:05 PM
Indeed.

Mr. Murphy did a great job shutting down Brossman who came in averaging 124 ypg.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 02, 2005, 12:04:54 AM
I have given the following some thought and am curious what others may think.  It seems to me that Lycoming has not fully recovered from the death of Ricky Lanetti.  I was overseas in Djibouti, Africa for the 2003 season and only learned about the tragedy through the D3 homepage.  I did listen to the NCAA heartbreaking playoff loss to Bridgewater on a snowy Sunday.  It is hard for me to fathom how a team that consistently was at the very top of the MAC year in and year out has fallen on such hard times.  Granted, other teams improve but that can only account for some of the on-field results.  My sense is that there must be something else afoot.  Curious - what about the rest of you?  Simba, your input on this one means the most to me.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on October 02, 2005, 01:16:29 AM
Quote from: maAggie5 on September 28, 2005, 08:50:21 PM
Rowan looks very tough once again, of course when you're playing with predominantly D-I washouts

Maggie 5

I wasn't being defensive, I was trying to make a point which you obviously missed!

How can you post what you did (shown above) about RU where you called transfers a bunch of D-1 washouts  when you have no information about any of these kids or why they transferred ...... but to you ..... they're washouts.  Sounds like an insult to me. ;)

Then you have the gall to come back and post the following equally stupid statement about another poster.
Quote from: maAggie5 on October 01, 2005, 05:45:01 PM
I would say mainly you're jealous and need to insult someone else to make yourself feel important.

If I were you, and thank God I'm not, I would make sure that my feet were always clean because you seem to have the  propensity for putting your foot in your mouth!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 02, 2005, 02:13:48 AM
as previously stated the dvc lvc game was intense even though the score was lop-sided. dvc is a great team who may win out, and lvc has a great chance to upset a few of their remaining 5. the mac is a crazy conference that anyone can win in any week. going to be a fun finish! If anyone can comment, whats going on with albright, wilkes and moravian... how do they look?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mondaya.m.qb on October 02, 2005, 08:27:01 AM
My previous posts were not meant as an insult to any players or teams. I actually was just trying to repeat an old Ivy/nescac chant the bad teams used when they lost to good teams as there only answer to superior athletes.  The chant was"It's alright its Ok you're gonna work for us someday"  I guess my sarcasm was misinterpeted.  I meant in the context of the post that an Ali like "rope a dope" won't help LVC.  The only thing they have over DVC is their education...and they do.

My follow up post was just to state a fact that it is not just coaches and players who decide a program is to be successful.  It is the administrations of the schools that decide.  This is most prevelent in DIII where there are no scholarships to even the playing field during recruiting.  If an administration wants or needs athletics to be successful, than they make them successful through a coach, budgets,admissions, financial aid or some other avenue. It is the adminstration of the school that allows success to happen.  Unfortunately for students, alum and coaches some schools do not want to be known for their athletic program. 

I have read posts on here for a long time and never even wanted to post.  My posts are just anther viewpoint about DIII football.  I will stay off of this board if it is not ready for the reality of this facet of DIII football. 

Sorry for anyone I may offended especially players or coaches.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 02, 2005, 09:51:57 AM
Mondaya.m.qb,
I feel what you convey is the truth.  I had posted in the past, that the success in the MAC is determined more by individual school's admissions and financial aid departments than coachs.  I feel a fine example of this is LVC.  Most close to this program think Monas is a great coach, myself included.  The reason for this, there is visable improvement in the program. i.e.: more kids in camp/roster, appear to be competitive in more games, etc.  Keep in mind Monas coached at LVC in the past and was fired because of supposed lack of production.  The truth of the matter is and was, Monas is a good coach but was in a situation where he could not be competitive.  LVC's admissions department and financial aid office created the situation where Monas could not compete for the same athletes that some of the other MAC schools could attract.  The same situation was true for Monas's successors.   Murray stayed for one season and left because he realized the powers to be at that school would not allow him to be competitive.  Silecchia replaced Murray and the program struggled for the next five years before he was fired. Again, the reason for this was nonproduction.  I will make the same statement about Silecchia that I made concerning Monas, he is/was a great coach but was put in a situation by the school where he could not compete.  Although I am not as close to the program as I once was, I have heard through reliable sources that LVC recently has made some consessions to their historical posture, hence you see the aprx. 100 kid camp and greatly increased coaching staff.  I again state that particularily within the MAC, nonathletic entities within the school ultimitely determine success or failure for their schools  football program.  Believe it or not, NOT THE COACH!  Mondaya.m.qb was right on the money, I feel he meant no disrespect or malice towards DVC by his statement.  The chant he referred to has been around for years in the Ivy, and probably has a certain element of validity, particularly in that forum.  Hope he sticks around, I thinks he brings some good thought to the board.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 02, 2005, 09:53:03 AM
mondaya:

You repeated that tired and meaningless taunt as if you actually believed it, a taunt that has all the creative zip of middle-school humor. As well, whatever your intent, you did come across as gratuitously insulting to DVC, its coaches, and its players. That's what was objectionable.

One would have to be an industrial-strength fool not to realize that D3 athletics lacks a level playing field. There's a world of difference between the haves and the have-nots of this division. Some venues make special admission provisions for athletes, some don't. Some abide strictly by the rules. Some bend, if not break, them -- and with apparent impunity

So, yes, it is indeed "the administrations of the schools that decide" and allow " ... success [however it's measured and defined] to happen." 

Whether you stay or leave this board is up to you, but bear in mind that you're probably preaching to the choir. "Veterans" of the D3 scene -- players, coaches, faculty, administrators, and just plain fans -- have long been more than slightly aware of "the reality of this facet of DIII football."

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mondaya.m.qb on October 02, 2005, 11:27:14 AM
Mojo,

Coach Monos is a great example of how there are a lot of good coaches not being supported to win.  Coach Monos was let go back in 90's by LVC.  Coach Murray left avery successful program at Cortland because the new Administration at LVC promised him the world, when they couldn't deliver Coach Murray haeded back to Upstate NY.  Coach Silechia did what he could with what he had.  Coach Monos was contacted in 04 and asked what he needed to win at LVC...They must have delivered because he is inthe process turning the Dmen around with more staff, better facilities and an apparent committment by the people upstairs.

Another example is coach Dapp's career at Moravian.  He has both won and lost over periods of time as administrations have changed.  Presently a newer AD has renewed Moravian's recent success. 

Susquehanna was once one of the best(early 90's).  They are now possibly the worst team with the best facilities.  How does that happen if not by administrators?  Did their coaches forget how to coach.

The mighty Warriors of Lyco's demise might be recruits fearing G's retirement.  But I think their admissions and financial aid practices recently changed.

Juniata has prided itself on its sciences program not football.  Coach Burke turned it around for a year until everyone learned how to defend his offense.  Football is not a priority.

DVC had been horrible.  They started improving under Coach DiBennadetto.  Coach Mangus took it to the next level by recruiting everyone.  The school saw how football recruiting can help enrollment (70 extra students in class is huge) and has allowed him to recruit the players he needs.  Coach Mangus has always won when he had players(both at Widener and Ursinus).

Just a couple of examples of the influence of the other non athletic entities have on sports.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 02, 2005, 02:51:17 PM
upbrmeasap...I was at Saturdays game and enjoyed every minute..Next time come up and introduce yourself. we are at Middle right facing the field at the "50"

Mondaymorninga.m.QB.....All thnigs in life are not on an equal playing field also.  If you truely believe all of that crap you posted then maybe you should leave this board.  It is football season, so lets talk football, not academics.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 02, 2005, 08:12:29 PM
First of all lets get some things staright.......

Del Val is one of the best comprehensive schools in the nation voted on by U.S. News (26th to be exact)

Also GA puts a lot of effort into the players academics( players have manditory study more than once a week, he reviews grades, and speak to teachers on a daily basis either in person or through email to make sure his kids are in class and are not behind)

Also GA gives out Academic Excellence Awards at the end of the season at the banquet, and in the past three years the number of awards have jumped drastically to a high where del val has never been--

Anyway--- hey for u guys that picked leb val over dvc this weekend----lol ;D
NICE PICKS LOL LOL LOL 
I still think its funnyyyy( Maybe next year )
So much for leb vals powerful offense

I said this b4, "Offense wins games, but defense wins championships"
The d cord is doing a great job at del val since joining the staff last year!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 02, 2005, 08:27:09 PM
when there is a d3womensvolleyball.com everyone at Juniata can puff their chests out with pride....until then we'll talk smack about academics!!!

Barring any upsets of DVC or a loss by Albright in the Pretzel Bowl, am I right in assuming this conference is going to decided when these two play? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 02, 2005, 10:07:32 PM
Splik:

I wouldn't look past Widener at Albright next week, though that may be the 'Pretzel Bowl.'  I could never figure out to which game that moniker applied.  I'd be interested in the story behind the name if anyone knows it.  Like me some pretzels. Yum.

Also, I think Albright/Wilkes will be an interesting test of styles as will King's/Widener.  I still think the Colonels (just one conference loss) and Monarchs will figure in this thing somehow before the season is done, even if it's just as a spoiler.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 02, 2005, 10:58:08 PM
bossman-
dvc is a high quality team, but every weekend an upset occurs somewhere, and what a better opportunity for lvc than to beat dvc. hopes were high, but they (lvc) did not play well enough to win.

what are the out looks for this weekend?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 03, 2005, 01:01:52 AM
Dynasty07,

I'd say dvc wins easily this weekend.......

lol

but the following weekend they have a big game vs. albright
2 weeks for del val to prepare for the lions......plus get healthy!

Dynasty07 whos ur team?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on October 03, 2005, 01:52:18 AM
how about widener beatin up on moravian....go us....after we win out the next five games...the big show will be widener - dvc....

let me getta WU


by the way prothro can not be stop llok up his stats
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 03, 2005, 08:44:34 AM
mondaya.m. qb pls go on your way there are plenty of other forums to discuss your meaningless drivel.....congrats to the aggies on another win. now the off week to prepare for albright which should be a great game!! I am more than psyched and should be in attendance for that one. I cant figure lyco out my sister is a graduate and cant figure it out as well. more or less most things in life are cyclical and they had a run for a loooong time at the top. may be there are a little like penn st. and didnt have some players in recruiting classes pan out and that creates a huge hole for 2-3 years and bad records. psu is finally just now starting to regain their footing after a couple of recruiting classes never added up to anything.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 09:37:28 AM
I hope and pray for a one loss Widener vs an undefeated Del Val. UTT OHHHHHHHHH ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 03, 2005, 09:41:16 AM
I was very impressed with what I watched in Chester this weekend. The freshmen is electric, and the offense is returning to form. I wish Prothro and Schmidt would have been healthy in week one. The pioneers also have a vey good D that held moravian in check most of the day despite missing four key players to injuries.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mondaya.m.qb on October 03, 2005, 10:05:37 AM
My first post stated that DVC is at on level the rest of the league another.  I did not intend this to be sarcasm.  (my outdated ivy league taunt from days prior to political correctness was meant to be the sarcasm, I missed the mark)  I do stand by my statement that DVC is playing football at a higher level than the rest of the league.  Coach Mangus and his staff are the main reason, they work their asses off teaching the game and keeping their players in check in the classroom and off the field, which is no easy job.

Everyone thinks I am preaching academics.  I am not, each school decides their own priorities.  I am just stating facts about the disparity among the schools in the MAC.  My main point is that football programs, successful or not, do not start and end in the locker room with the players and coaches.  

Warren- if entertaining useless banter about small college football makes one a "D3 veteran" I guess I am not one.  

If being a retired small college administrator and former athletic coach who now runs a successful consulting firm for small college student recruitment, retention and financial aid makes you "D3 Veteran" than I guess I am one.  Or at least the schools that hire my firm think so.

Maybe midseason is the wrong time for this subject matter, sorry.

I guess there was a reason I have read this forum for so long and never contributed.

Everyone continue with your fun...I am forever gone!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 03, 2005, 10:35:35 AM
Monday
Relax...we blasted you because your post looked like many that have been posted in this room before...derogatory and juvenile...by posters that do that and leave...

That has made this board overly sensitive to that stuff...

You clarified your point and made some good others... no use in banning yourself...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 03, 2005, 10:37:16 AM
the pretzel bowl is sponsored by the Shriners.  I'm pretty sure it is part of a big charity event for them in Reading.  I did not notice that Widener had beaten Moravian so handily on Saturday, so there is definitely more than one test for all the league contenders.  Once again, parity rules the MAC!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on October 03, 2005, 10:51:41 AM
http://www.rajahshrine.org/events/pretzelbowl.htm

link to pretzel bowl info
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 03, 2005, 11:58:28 AM
bossman,

i am partial to lvc, but see things with an open mind
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 03, 2005, 12:14:02 PM
CJSJAGS:

Thanks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 03, 2005, 12:33:49 PM
upbrmeasap....I could not figure out the Lyco collapse either until I was asked about a rumor.and we all know about rumors. I was enlightened that a lot of the players from Lyco left the team as a result of the loss to DVC? I cannot substaniate this or say anything more but it is only a "Rumor" and nothing else. Some losses are tougher than others granted, but a lot of things were mentioned, including this is is the 3rd loss to DVC in as many years and the pink locker room thing.  Only a rumor guys and even hate posting this. I hope things work out for Lyco and their staff.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 03, 2005, 12:45:08 PM
Lyco has a pink locker room for visitors?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 03, 2005, 01:31:21 PM
interesting billman, my guess is we need someone like simba or someone else closely affilated with the lyco program to answer that question. that would be interesting if it were true and granted its only speculation and rumor at this point. but also i will say when a program falls on hard times there always seem to be lots of rumors and false information posted. so hopefully someone close to lyco can shed some light on whats going on up in williamsport.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 03:17:15 PM
How did a kid from otterbein hold the previous punt return yardage record at 227 when Billy Johnson had 265 against St. Johns (NY) ? interesting
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2005, 03:23:48 PM
Not really all that interesting. That game was in 1972, before Division III was formed.

It is, however, the Division II record.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 03:34:07 PM
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/team/pr.html  ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 03:35:42 PM
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/   

dude, it says so on your own site
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2005, 03:36:08 PM
Dude, not in 1972! Read more closely, please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 03:41:06 PM
ok, you win. But he's still better than both of this kids combined !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: swimma on October 03, 2005, 03:43:17 PM
im a lyco fan but haven't heard of anyone from the team quiting after the dvc loss though it wouldn't suprise me...last year i was alot closer to the team and had heard numerous stories of dissent among the team against the coaching staff...along with certain politics of the coaching staff was playing favorite instead of playing the people that would get the job done....i do know that there were some key injuries to lyco during the widener game and that had affected their effectiveness....the boys in blue and gold haven't had it for the past years and the talent on the bench hasn't even been tapped....coach g has gotta realize when to start workin down the line instead of just hoping a better outcome will happen next weekend....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 03, 2005, 04:01:49 PM
I hate Lycoming
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on October 03, 2005, 06:25:25 PM
The Pretzel Bowl used to, back in the day, involve Albright and Lebanon Valley. LVC has some of the trophies - they're brass bowls with metal pretzel handles. One of the more unique trophies I've seen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 03, 2005, 07:25:35 PM
Widener had a pink visitors locker room also.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 03, 2005, 08:49:24 PM
Chum Slam...Tell us how you REALLY FEEL, cmon dont sugar coat it!!!

Swimma...Thanks for some of the insight. Would really hate to see a good program collapse like that.  FDU is a good team that is coming along but I guess it was just a bad day for Lyco???

Gordo...Again I hate posting stuff I dont know first hand. I heard after the loss to DVC in 2003 that the players??? or someone painted Lycos locker room pink until they beat DVC again. Again I dont know this first hand but that is what I heard...can anyone out there substantiate this or shoud I just dry up and blow away???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 03, 2005, 08:53:12 PM
Pat Coleman...Give me a history lesson here please...when was DIII formed and why??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 03, 2005, 09:31:40 PM
Ha.  That's interesting, particularly in light of the "controversy" associated with Iowa's pink visiting locker room.  I didn't know it existed elsewhere.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 03, 2005, 11:46:16 PM
If the LYCO rumor is true, it comes as a shock.  I find it hard to believe that G could lose control of the program.  Coach G and his staff have historically been a great group of coachs.  When my son was at LYCO, G and his staff had complete control of the program and were a class act.  If anyone can bring fact to the forefront, concerning this issue,  it would be most appreciated.  If true, the dynamics of this program have drastically changed, and will have long term effect on the Warrior program.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on October 04, 2005, 07:44:20 AM
Word from the inside of Lyco last year was that things were spinning a bit out of control...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 04, 2005, 08:07:02 AM
Lycoming is done.  Great ride, its over.

The MAC title will go thru DVC, Widener, and Albright.  Mark my words.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Johnny PA on October 04, 2005, 08:57:41 AM
What is going on this year?  Susquehanna winless in the MAC.  Lyco suffering.  Juniata 0 for the season.  King's only 2-3.  What is the deal at these schools?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 04, 2005, 09:08:53 AM
Johnny PA:

Good question. Obviously something has happened (by natural selection, the whimsical intervention of the football gods, human action, human error ... who knows?).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 04, 2005, 10:18:38 AM
Great matchup this Saturday Widener/Albright....any predictions??

Widener 24   Albright  20

Warren...I think Lyco really pissed off the football gods somewhere along the way.  Dont let anyone tell you different Wilks is a tought team, their record just dosent reflect it.  Juniata changed head coaches 2 years ago and it has been on the slide ever since.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on October 04, 2005, 10:43:04 AM
a lot of teams are struggling like susquehana and lyco.  i think the reasons thats happening is one they arent getting the kids they used to and i think the rest of the schools are getting better recruiting classes. 

as for juniata i wouldn't be surprised if they go 0-10. 

fdu beating lyco did surprise me a bit but then again fdu is always tough even when they were cellar dwellars they always gave the top teams a run for their money especially if you left them hanging around late in the game.

i think kings college is a heck of a better team than 2-3.  they completely dismantled susquehana this weekend 56-0.  that offense did what it wanted when it wanted.  kings is no rollover and will give widener, wilkes, and del val a tough game.  i could see kings winning out the rest of the season.

as for this weekend the big match up is albright at widener.  i think this will be a another dog fight. 

predictions straight from the Snake Parlor.

Wilkes 34 Lyco 12
Susquehana 14 Juniata 0
Leb Val 28 FDU 21
Albright 30 Widener 21
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Johnny PA on October 04, 2005, 01:55:08 PM
My stab at it:

Wilkes 35 Lyco 14
Juniata 24 Susquehana 21 
FDU 28 Leb Val 17
Albright 49 Widener 35 (good ol' shootout)   


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 04, 2005, 03:02:26 PM
ATTN: FDU fans ...

Predicted weather for Annville on Saturday: 40% chance of morning showers and a balmy 57F.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 04, 2005, 04:16:23 PM
The FDU game at Leb Val this week reminded me of this -

By the way, this is NOT a knock on Leb Val, but I wonder how Leb Val is consistantly picked by the coaches ( coaches poll)  to finish ahead of FDU, when FDU has beaten Leb Val in 3 of the last 4 meetings...
Oh well, I guess that's why the play the games  ;)

Here's hoping for a healthy weekend for all teams!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 04, 2005, 04:25:49 PM
where is wuline with a preview of the wu/albright game this weekend it is a huge game for both teams...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 04, 2005, 04:37:55 PM
I am as mystified as anyone posting here about the demise of Lycoming's football program, particularly in such a short time.  However, I will be on campus later this week and as I serve on the Alumni Board I will ask some pointed questions.  Losing football games is understandable, losing your perspective is not, to wit, the rumor regarding the visitors' locker room color among other things.  Stand by.

As for counting Lycoming out for the long run, I should like to point out that no Major League Baseball team ever came back from a 3-0 deficit until the Red Sox did it last year - and I am a Yankee fan.   

In the meantime, Go Warriors.  Simba - we will be at registration in Burchfield Lounge on Saturday morning. 

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 04, 2005, 08:29:08 PM
I don't necessarily think that Lyco has taken a step back, but perhaps a lot of other teams have stepped it up.  I played at Lyco my freshman year (2000) before transferring to LVC.  That was the year of the 50-49 loss at Widener and the 16-14 loss to Susquehanna.  A lot of times the offensive and defensive lines were so much superior to their counterparts at other schools that we could run pretty much at will while almost completely shutting down the other team's rushing attack.  I was mostly involved with the Scout offense as a freshman.  When we ran 7 on 7 against the defense, I was throwing against 2 All-Conference Safeties and a corner that played in the Aztec Bowl.

When I transferred, I noticed right away that Lyco simply had bigger, faster, and stronger players across the board compared to the players at LVC.  I think this was true of a lot of other teams compared to Lyco-  With maybe 2 or 3 exceptions, no one who started for LVC when I got there would have started at Lyco.  My senior year we did not play Lyco ( I think we missed one MAC team every year because we always played a non-conference game).  But by that time, other teams seemed to be able to match up physically to Lyco. 

I'm not sure how much sense this makes, but I am pretty confused myself by this sudden slide by Lyco. 

Best of luck this weekend LVC.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 05, 2005, 08:14:21 AM
There are too many factors going against Lyco now.. It just isnt the same as 10 yrs ago...

The Philly suburbs have the cash to pay for a private university education.. Lyco is 3+ hours from there..

Albright & Del Val have both stepped up the wins... Keeping more local kids home..

Widener has always been Widener (usually have a good team), so now even more Philly kids are staying home..

Now Lyco has 2nd rate facilities in the conference.  They are now the school trying to "keep up with the Jones'..."

I keep reading all these posts about money and financial aid, etc.  Scranton and Williamsport arent exactly the most affluent areas in PA.  D3 football is a rich kid or a poor kid with grades game.

If I were Girardi, I would start beating up Pittsburgh to pull kids away from W&J.

Nice ride for Lyco, it's over.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 05, 2005, 07:27:53 PM
Don Hansen's predictions for this week:

DVC , King's & Moravian all have Bye's this week.

FDU 27
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 05, 2005, 07:32:30 PM
Oops!  sorry about that, hit post instead of tab. :o

DVC, King's & Moravian all have bye's this week

FDU         27            Leb Val  13
Susq       27            Juniata  21
Widener  35           Albright  28
Wilkes     35           Lyco       14

I agree with these predictions although I think the Widener / Albright game might be higher in scoring.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 05, 2005, 09:42:23 PM
Things may be different than they were ten years ago for Lycoming but I wish to note that they won the MAC and reached the quarter finals of the NCAA in 2003 before losing to Bridgewater.  In fact, it is just as likely they would have triumphed in that game had it not been for the tragic, and untimely, death of Ricky Lanetti.  Therefore reasons of financial aid, local and regional prosperity, second-rate facilities, and students wishing to stay closer to home, a.k.a. - Philly are a canard and are inadequate explanations for the poor showing the last two years.  Also, I think Pittsburgh is as long a drive as Philly for recruits.  Additionally, higher education research indicates that the average college student will not travel more than 500 miles to attend school, a distance that encompasses most, if not all of NJ and certainly Philly.  It may be over for Lycoming or not, but the reasons cited in a previous posting are not sufficiently credible especially given the fall-off in performance that has been so abrupt and recent.  There must be other factors not immediately apparent.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 05, 2005, 10:39:38 PM
If money, location, and facilities are not the reason for Lycoming's demise... Could it be that the coaching staff there cant coach their way out of a paper bag?

Shoot, if Lyco is so talented because they were in the playoffs a couple years ago, surely the roster is loaded... Must be the coaches..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 06, 2005, 10:37:57 AM
Widener 44 Albright 36
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 06, 2005, 11:43:54 AM
Chum Slam...I dont see a larger scoring affair. I think both "D's" keeping it down.  Maybe a 24-21 game???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 06, 2005, 11:53:52 AM
Maybe its just me but defenzive battles in the MAC are usually 7 - 0 or 45 - 54 haha. Im going with the latter.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bruins26 on October 06, 2005, 12:31:03 PM
I've been a part of the MAC conference for 9 years now as both a player and coach. I've seen the trends over the years and guarantee Lycoming will not stay down for long. As for team like Juniata and Susquehanna, I remember a time when the Crusaders were the most physical team in the conference. They ran the wing t with Matt W. and Rashown D. They had a 62-61 shutout with Juniata in 1998. One the greatest MAC games ever. Juniata had there fair share of studs featuring all americans Chad Zaring and Matt Eisenburg. They went something like 18 years straight with at least one all conference DB. Mark D. lead all divisions with 15 picks back in the late 80's. Go Eagles
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 06, 2005, 01:48:10 PM
This weeks predictions
Leb Val 24 - Fdu 21
Susq 27 - Juniata 24
Wilkes 35 - Lyco 28
Wu 35 - Albright 24

As for a preview of the WU/ Albright game that will be coming soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 06, 2005, 02:01:36 PM
Matt Eisenberg was one of the best receivers to ever come out of the MAC. I say 4th maybe 5th best ever.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2005, 02:46:03 PM
Weather Alert ...

NWS has just issued a flood watch from Friday afternoon through Saturday for the central portions of Pennsylvania. 2-3 inches of rain are predicted, with some areas receiving up to 5 inches.

Looks as if a number of MAC games will be affected.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 06, 2005, 03:07:55 PM
Warren...."And the hits just keep on coming"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2005, 03:11:10 PM
For a map of the watch area, go to the URL below. Note that parts of New Jersey may also be affected.

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/ctp/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2005, 03:13:08 PM
Who'd I hit now, Billman?  :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 06, 2005, 07:26:06 PM
Warren...you didnt hit anyone...it is just an expression from some of the radio jocks who play oldies....just a little bad news weather wise thats all. We seem to have run into a lot of people here with thin skin lately....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2005, 07:31:08 PM
Billman:

Oh, what a relief! I actually thought I'd bashed someone with my one-speed tricycle.  :-[
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on October 06, 2005, 08:59:06 PM
i mostly see peole picking widener to beat albright.....good......  it will be an off. shootout but widener has proven that they can win.....albright is undefeated and they were last year also when we beat them....  albright has had too many close calls......their time is up....

wu 35  au  10    (red zone stops)

let me getta WU
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 06, 2005, 10:03:05 PM
I predict that LVC will win every MAC game this weekend by a score of 3-0 :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2005, 10:30:38 PM
Bman:

Again with the picks inspired by your Amish neighbor?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 07, 2005, 08:30:33 AM
weather forecasts keep getting worse and looks like it will definetly affect games this weekend. i would like to see albright/wu on a dry field and not  mud bog but such is life and you play it where it lies....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 07, 2005, 08:44:37 AM
Yeah, bman can tell you how well Widener has been known to play in wind, rain, and mud.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 07, 2005, 10:40:59 AM
Warren

Right from the elder's mouth :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 07, 2005, 10:43:26 AM
Albright is a solid team, and we all know that Port is an excellent QB. However I do not think that he has the same weapons he has had in the past. The WU offense has really started to click with the healthy return of Schmit, and Prothro. It is also my understanding that the WU D has also started to get a number of healthy starters back.As for the weather I think we need to remember that the game will be played on turf so mud will not be a factor. If it becomes a running game I think the pioneers still hold the edge.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 07, 2005, 10:47:35 AM
Picks for the week

WU 28          Albright 14 (ok I'm a homer...but the rushing attack will be a factor   if  the weather gets bad...)
Lycoming 21 Wilkes 20 (just a hunch)
Leb Val 3  FDU 0  ;D
Susq 26    Juniata 20
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 07, 2005, 10:48:24 AM
mud bowls this weekend, reminiscent of last year... the beauty
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 07, 2005, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: Dynasty07 on October 07, 2005, 10:48:24 AM
mud bowls this weekend, reminiscent of last year... the beauty

Not unless you are playing on the beautiful new surface at Shirk Stadium...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on October 07, 2005, 11:59:00 AM
i see everyone picking widener to beat albright.  well i'll be loner here and say albright just doesn't beat widener but they beat them convincinly. 

albright 42 widener 21

prediction straight from the Snake Parlor.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bruins26 on October 07, 2005, 12:14:42 PM
Albright will beat Widener on Saturday. Both teams have explosive offenses and much improved defenses. One aspect of the game you can't account for is heart. The Lions have been down early this season and the players seem to believe in each other and fight back to win. Widener has not had to do that this season. They were down to Wilkes and couldn't get anything going. The same will happen this weekend at Shirk Stadium.

Albright 35
Widener 20
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 07, 2005, 01:13:11 PM
Bruins 26
WU lost to Wilkes playing without many key players. That is why they could not get anything going . WU actually trailed Leb Val at the Half 16-7 and fought back to win a tight game. WU also had to fight hard to beat Moravian last week. I do not think that you should question the Pioneers heart. You should be more concerned about why Albright has trailed every game at the half and struggled to comeback against so so competition. If the get down early against better better teams they might not get a chance to get back in it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 07, 2005, 01:17:56 PM
Snake Man
there is know way that Albright puts a 40 spot on the WU D. Are you familiar with the weather report.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 07, 2005, 01:30:31 PM
no way albright wins, they are struggling and wu is a solid team. fdu lvc game is going to be intense both teams need a win, valley will get it. its gonna be a mudder in annville, its been raining all day today and there are no signs of it letting up anytime soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 07, 2005, 01:45:39 PM
The weather should help LVC out. They have a very talanted group of runners and kelly is an excellent running QB.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 07, 2005, 02:04:27 PM
it is weird looking at teams coming off the field with no mud stains on their jersey after playing on field turf.  I dont think Albright will double up Widener like Snake Parlor says but I'm picking them in a tight, rainy game in Reading.
Juniata wins the goal post tropy3-2 in extra innings this weekend. 
Wilkes sneaks past Lycoming.
FDU falls into the "trap" game against LVC.  LVC 4 - FDU 3, LVC D gets a walkoff safety to win the game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 07, 2005, 02:27:32 PM
As long as Woody (Napolean) is coaching Widener there will never, NEVER be a lack of heart on that team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 07, 2005, 10:56:28 PM
"Our kids don't feel good about this at all," Girardi said. "Any time a game like this happens you want to play the very next day. I can see it in them. I think they are going to give a good account of themselves. I really do."
    Baltz, a three-year starter and one of four captains, said the Warriors want to show members of past championship teams that they aren't as bad as their record or last week's result indicates. Lycoming has won 13 Middle Atlantic Conference titles and members of every championship team should be in attendance Saturday.
    "We want to show them that we can still play the same way that they did," Baltz said. "We want to show them that we're not dead yet." (Williamsport Sun Gazette)

The Lyco football family of athletes will always be there to support the Warriors in both victory & defeat, unlike many of the past frontrunners who have posted on this board and have come & gone....The current group of frontrunners' longevity on this board, supporting their team, even in defeat, remains to be seen!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 07, 2005, 11:59:46 PM
THE FIGHTIN AMISH WILL BE VICTORIOUS THIS WEEKEND. 
SCHNELL DEUTCHMANN!  FOR THE DVC FANS, I'M Implying Go Dutchman!  (JUST KIDDING - SHOULD GET A RISE FROM SOMEONE)  FOR ALL TEAMS, WIN OR LOSE, LETS HOPE ALL THESE KIDS STAY HEALTHY.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on October 08, 2005, 01:38:00 PM
Abrigt/Widener game being televised again for those interested...go to Albright.edu to get your local comcast station.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 08, 2005, 02:19:36 PM
At the half ...

LVC 29, FDU 7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 08, 2005, 02:27:02 PM
A possible blowout in the making.  Mein Deutchmann 28 - FDU 7.  HOLY SCHMOLY! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 08, 2005, 03:11:12 PM
With 2.22 left, third quarter...

LVC 43, FDU 15
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 08, 2005, 03:39:09 PM
FINAL ...

LVC 43, FDU 15
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on October 08, 2005, 04:31:17 PM
Final
 

      Widener  33
       Albright  19
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 08, 2005, 05:00:50 PM
Great win for LVC today.  We really needed that one.  ALthough all I saw was the score, it sounds like LVC dominated FDU.  I never thought I'd be saying this, but I wish we had Lyco on the schedule this year-it looks like it might be an easy W, given the fact that FDU smoked them last week, and LVC hammered FDU today. 

Congrats also to Widener for the big win over Albright. 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 08, 2005, 06:19:58 PM
LVCALUM....Lycoming will NEVER be an easy"W"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 08, 2005, 06:45:21 PM
Check your schedule...I just printed off your post for the bulletin board LVCALUM....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 08, 2005, 08:42:02 PM
What position will the bulletin board play for Lyco?  Or maybe the bulletin board could coach???

Lyco is done.  Those kids are gonna pack it in just like they did last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 08, 2005, 08:51:24 PM
So, what's the story with LYCO.  Why such a sudden demise?  Simba, I am both a LYCO and LVC fan.  I think LVC will take LYCO to the woodshed this year. I am making this statement assuming both squads are healthy when meeting.  Who would have ever imagined this possibility even two years ago.  How does a team go from the top to near bottom in such a short period of time.  I find it hard to believe it is a coaching issue.  Has the recruiting spigot been turned off?  Could not get up for homecoming.  I would be interested in your comments concerning this issue.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 08, 2005, 10:39:27 PM
How Cool!  Got to watch the Albright / Widener game on TV.  Going stir crazy, my team on a bye week.  Albright's new stadium / turf looked awesome.  I thought the lions might pull it out again but alas, out of time.  The LVC / FDU game sounds like it was a mudbath...as I'm sure they all were for those who play on grass.  I must say it was kind of weird watching the Albright / Widener game being played in pouring down rain and no mud on the uniforms.  The Lyco / Wilkes game sounded like a nailbiter.  Shame that Lyco couldn't get this win.  They certainly gave it some "oomph" the 2nd half but again, alas, out of time.

Good luck to all the teams next week!   :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 08, 2005, 11:34:27 PM
Simba, guess I should have checked LVC's schedule before I made my post. Not to worry, however--Lyco is on it  :).  Do you really need to display stuff from this message board on your bulletin board to get the team pumped up?  If so, that says more than anything I could post here.  Maybe the Warriors should be thinking about playing the games, not what some guy on a web site says about them. 

Do you have room on your bulletin board for this one too??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 09, 2005, 10:14:04 AM
Simba,
Have things gotten so bad at LYCO that you have to post messages from this board. to try to pump these guys up.  If this is the case, it appears the program is inept and steadily spiraling downward in a crash and burn mode.  I don't understand how a program, historically of superb caliber, can go down the tubes so quickly.  If this trend continues, how long will it be before LYCO becomes a doormat team?  Regardless of what posters claim, I feel LYCO is well coached ie: Coach G & Coach Weiser, and the facilities, although not the best in the MAC, certainly adequate.  Again, as posted previosly, what is happening?
                                                                          Mojo
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 09, 2005, 11:58:30 AM
the lvc fdu game was nothing but a mudder. lvc stuck it to fdu, and the score reflects just that. lvc had many kids with great days, frosh dave holland had over 180 yards rushing and some scores, dan kelly didnt have to do much this game, but still performed well and the d played great. if lvc continues this trend they might win out, a great offense and a d that found its persona again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on October 09, 2005, 02:05:03 PM
 ;D ;D ;D u heard it here first....widener wins the MAC...... ;D ;D ;D

what a game...widener still found a way to through the ball while port made mistakes...i dont see widener losing another game...maybe salisbury but probly not....game of the year widener - del val

let me gatta WU
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 09, 2005, 03:22:22 PM
All of you are so wet behind the ears...There isn't any bulletin board...I live 2 hours away from Williamsport....I've been posting on this board since it's inception in '97...Earned the first 2 rings under "G" in the late 70's who by the way gave me the nickname "Simba" back then...Most everyone else on here and other football boards on d3.com that aren't frontrunners like all of you are know this....It's a figure of speech that any vet would recognize who played the game...Obviously none of you did...You're all so funny... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2005, 03:23:59 PM
That's impressive. We didn't have a site until 1999. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2005, 03:24:45 PM
But yes, I'll vouch for Simba being here from the beginning. Just glad that some of his fellow Lyco fans from that era have moved on. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 09, 2005, 03:26:44 PM
Anyone here in the MAC hear anything about Susquehanna possibly joining the LL that they'd like to share. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 09, 2005, 03:27:47 PM
Getting old Pat...Just a great form of entertainment you run here..Better than watching and listening to drunks in a coal-region bar... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 09, 2005, 03:35:36 PM
Apparently it was announced during the RPI webcast that the LL was going to or had extended an invitation to Susquehanna.  I assume that if these people are professional at all, an invitation would be a formality that would only occur after it had basically been negotiated. 

I don't know any more than that, so that is why I asked the question.  The LL is losing a member after this year.  They will still have enough for a pool A, but it probably makes more sense to have 8 teams, I guess.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on October 09, 2005, 08:14:47 PM
Simba, are you implying that LVC fans are front-runners ???  I think Warren might be the only one to remember their last MAC title...

I'm a little surprised about Susquehanna and the LL. Not that Susquehanna wants out - there've been rumors flying around for years that SU and one or two others (Juniata always seems to pop up, occasionally Moravian too) were ready to jump ship. I don't really see the gain SU gets in going to Liberty, though - at least on the surface in terms of travel. In terms of being with "peer schools" from an academic standpoint, I'd think it'd be break-even or a marginal gain at best. But then, the argument has always been that the MAC could stand to lose a team or two in football for scheduling purposes - but a loss in the other sports would throw the entire Commonwealth/Freedom alignment out of whack.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 09, 2005, 08:15:36 PM
Simba, I'm glad a Lyco insider like you could set the record straight about the bulletin board.  You know, the type of insider who lives two hours from Williamsport, hasn't been affiliated with the program since the late 70s, and threatens to post messages on a non-existent bulletin board (which, by the way, existed when I was at lyco).  Also, rest assured that I am a former player.

Not trying to get personal, but I really hate it when people erroneously imply that others don't know what they are talking about.

Best of luck to all teams this week, especially LVC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 09, 2005, 08:23:10 PM
Simba,

Did not see you at the game on Saturday - but we looked for you, especially during class photo ops.

To anyone interested:

Lycoming played a spirited second-half of football gaining nearly 300 yards of offense, almost all of it through the air.  Defense, again, stiffened shutting out Wilkes who posted a 17-0 half-time lead.  However, Lycoming committed ten penalties for 123 yards, often during critical moments of play.  These miscues proved crucial.  The final score was 17-14 and as time ran out the momentum was clearly moving in the Warriors favor.  I talked with many on campus, including coaches, players, faculty and students.  Everyone is mystified by the current won-loss record but I sense a determination resonate that last year's team did not possess.  I think it was reflected in the team's second-half effort.  

Who can say what tomorrow will bring?  I am glad other teams in the MAC have stepped up, 50-0 blowouts were boring to watch.  I am hopeful that Lycoming will respond to the current challenge in ways similar to the teams in the early 90s, who were very erratic, before the 36-2 run of the teams of (1996-1999).

I am not sure what facilities some of you are referring to but the new gym, new recreation center, and stadium complex all seem pretty first-rate to me and are a substantive improvement from the time when Lycoming was the cream of the MAC.  Bottom line - football is played by football players who must make plays.  Those who consistenly do - win.

Sorry I missed you Simba.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 10, 2005, 12:57:11 AM
Simba,
Ditto what LVCALUM stated.  What you implied wasn't quite accurate.  And for the record, I still think LVC will defeat LYCO when they play.  LYCO appears to not have the talent they have historically had in their program.  As with everything else in life, change is the one consistent constant.  As asked in previous posts, what do you perceive to be the problem at LYCO?  Is it strictly a recruiting issue?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 10, 2005, 10:35:52 AM
I would not start with the Lycoming is dead chants yet.  The same thing was said about Penn State and look where they are now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 10, 2005, 11:28:05 AM
LYCO IS DEAD ! ! ! ! ! ! when you get blown out by FDU, yea... youre dead.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 10, 2005, 11:42:44 AM
>>>Who can say what tomorrow will bring?  I am glad other teams in the MAC have stepped up, 50-0 blowouts were boring to watch. <<<<                                                            the problem for lyco is now they are on the receiving end of the blowouts!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 10, 2005, 03:51:27 PM
heres the thing, i would not go as far as to say lyco is dead, but they are slipping. they are not the team that they once were, so i think a change is needed, be it coaching, players, facilities whatever. they need to assess their present situation and figure out what the necessary moves needed are. I do agree with prior posts that DVC current success and other teams making moves towards the top hurts LYCO's recruiting from SE PA, but there are quality athelets from other areas as well as other states.

anywho, how is Wilkes, they seem to be a solid team once again, how does everyone feel LVC will fair against them?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 10, 2005, 07:31:53 PM
Dynasty,
Anybodys guess!  Pursuant to a LYCO poster claiming the Warriors had 300 yards of offense against Wilkes in the second half, mostly in the air, might give LVC an edge.  With that being said, Wilkes always seems to be big and extremely aggressive, which might give the Dutchmen problems.  Remember, Wilkes played DVC within 3 points, and everybody knows how good DVC is.  Also, DVC shut down LVC's offense, making the Kelly / Brossman duo ineffective.  My hopes are with the Dutchmen, but Wilkes concerns me.  Best wishes to LVC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 11, 2005, 12:18:07 PM
Any other Widener alums gonna be aat the game this weekend ? and what is your gameplan for homecoming?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on October 11, 2005, 12:42:19 PM
Multiple ideas have been floated around as to how best to change the MAC.  Splitting into a Commonwealth/Freedom really won't work - you need to add three more teams to maintain the automatic bid...tough to come up with that now. 

Most ideas are in two schools of thought...Juniata or Susquehanna or Moravian jump to the Centennial.  The other idea is to have Juniata flip to the Presidents Athletic Conference.  They would be the easternmost school in the conference, but still closer to many others (W&J, Grove City, Waynesburg, Thiel, new member Geneva) than they are to Del Val, Widener, King's, Wilkes.  But the PAC now has Thomas More which is a considerable haul...but that would only be every other year, as opposed to now. 

In other news...quote from today's Philadelphia Inquirer regarding the new opening at D1 (future Mid-America Conference school Temple)...

"Would Temple take a chance on a charismatic up-and-comer like G.A. Mangus, a former Florida Gators backup quarterback under Steve Spurrier who has somehow turned Delaware Valley into a local Division III powerhouse?"

Not a shock his name came up...just maybe surprised it came up that quickly.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 11, 2005, 12:47:53 PM
Quote from: patcummings on October 11, 2005, 12:42:19 PM
Multiple ideas have been floated around as to how best to change the MAC.  Splitting into a Commonwealth/Freedom really won't work - you need to add three more teams to maintain the automatic bid...tough to come up with that now. 

Most ideas are in two schools of thought...Juniata or Susquehanna or Moravian jump to the Centennial.

When the Centennial became an all-sports conference (1992?), there was much talk about Moravian wanting to join.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 11, 2005, 01:23:43 PM
if you think people say Juniata is better than academically than most of their fellow conference members now, wait until they would join the president's conference.  I could see them joining the centennial way before joining the PAC.  also, since juniata is located almost in the geographical middle of the state saying the schools in western PA are closer than eastern PA does not necessarily work. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 11, 2005, 02:34:46 PM
Pat Cummings

I am sure G.A.s name came up quickly. I personally would hate to lose the guy but then again, that is the nature of coaching. Onward and upward.   I am sure he could turn that program around. Maybe not as fast as DVC but surelyin a year or three.  Although Temple has some excellent assistant coaches with great credentials, it all starts at the top.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 11, 2005, 02:58:31 PM
i agree billman. i would hate to lose him but you cant hold him back if he wants to coach a div I school at some point. dont know if he'll go i know he turned spurrier down this year to go coach at south carolina. either way he has put dvc back on the map football wise...(wrestling we have always been there....)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 11, 2005, 04:36:46 PM
Chum

Chances for me are 50-50...

If I am able to go, I'll let you know.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 11, 2005, 04:55:20 PM
Yea shoot me an email and let me know. Ill be the drunk guy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 11, 2005, 08:48:24 PM
I was wondering when all the MAC membership talk would finally crop up, because the conference may very well look considerably different than it does now...
In response to some of the previous posts - Susquehanna won't be going to the Centennial. They were denied membership when they applied this past year. 
Moravian did want to go to the Centennial back when it split from the MAC, but at that time, they were denied. Obviously, they were accepted (alnog with Juniata) as a football only member this time around.
What will be interesting is to see how this plays out in the MAC. Will the other MAC teams allow JC and MC to leave in only football, or will the other schools show them the door altogether (which is what I think will happen)...
What will happen with the other schools? We'll see in a few months....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 11, 2005, 10:32:06 PM
Quote from: bill on October 11, 2005, 08:48:24 PM
Moravian did want to go to the Centennial back when it split from the MAC, but at that time, they were denied. Obviously, they were accepted (alnog with Juniata) as a football only member this time around.

Hey, wait a minute! "Obviously"? When did this happen?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 11, 2005, 10:57:08 PM
Warren

Just after we moved LVC to the NESCAC ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 12, 2005, 12:31:52 AM
good try bman
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 07:52:43 AM
Quote from: bman on October 11, 2005, 10:57:08 PM
Just after we moved LVC to the NESCAC ;D

Good idea, bman. This will add a touch of blue-collar, real-world earthiness to the rarified atmosphere of that bunch ....  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tim Flynn on October 12, 2005, 08:15:25 AM
Last time LVC joined a New England conference in a sport, I don't recall it ending so well...  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 12, 2005, 09:45:23 AM
I am sure Bill can provide more info on this than I can since he has an inside track. It is my understanding that Juniata, Moravian, Leb Val, and Susquehanna petitioned to leave the MAC for the Centennial. The main reason that they gave was an unfair ability to compete against teams of lower academic standards. I am told that they even offered four schools as examples. Guess which four? Lyco, Del Val, WU, and Albright. The Centennial only had room for two teams in football and choose Moravian and Juniatia. Hopefully the Presidents will choose to eliminate these teams from the MAC all together since they do not want to compete against such horrible academic institutions. The main problem arises in other sports such as Basketball were the MAC gets two automatic bids. I feel the MAC will allow them to stay in other sports and try to add two teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 12, 2005, 10:01:48 AM
First let me say once again that I feel GA is a good coach, recruiter, and motivator. However, I have serious concerns about what people are drinking in Doylestown. There has to be something in the water. That could be the only reason for Billman stating that GA could turn around the Temple program in a year or three. I don't think Lombardi himself could turn that program around in three years. As for upbrmeasap I would be amazed if the offer from Spurrier was truly turned down. If GA turned down a spot at SC to stay at Del Val he must have changed allot over the years from his days at WU. There are many local candidates that are far more qualified for job. How about these head coaches Keeler, Zwann, Bagnoli or Acorsci. All have been much more successful.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 12, 2005, 10:03:49 AM
I can not wait for Saturday, I havent been on the sidelines at a WU game since senior year 2002 ! woohooo !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 12, 2005, 10:50:28 AM
Chum
Security is tight in the new stadium. Good luck getting on the sidelines. I would recommend trying the far gate and screaming for AJ.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 12, 2005, 11:13:06 AM
Good old Art. He hates it when you call him that. I talked to Woody earlier this week, I wont have a problem getting down there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 12, 2005, 11:30:01 AM
Regarding Homecoming this weekend, I highly doubt that I will be able to attend.  With work and my daughters birthday party, I will be pre-disposed.  Doesn't she know better to not have been born during homecoming weekend.  The nerve.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2005, 12:23:22 PM
Wu

If she knew YOU were going to be her dad, she may have had 2nd thoughts.... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 12, 2005, 12:30:26 PM
wudline i wouldnt say they are more qualified not even close....secondly why would most of the coaches you listed leave to become an asst coach when they are head coaches? the reason mangus was offered and am 99% sure its true is because mangus and spurrier have a long history. he played under spurrier and also coached with spurrier at florida. there is a comfort factor as well as already knowing the system and hit the ground running. mangus is flat out a great recruiter. i agree it would take more than 3 years to turn temple around i think for any coach including the rumored rick neuheisel. reasons for turning spurrier down only mangus would know but i think mangus wants to stay head coach and be able to call the shots. as well as having a family now and family in the area i think he wants a head coaching job not go back to being an asst. again. my guess is he would like to move up to a div II or div I-AA program in the eastern half of pennsylvania if possible and take his coaches with him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on October 12, 2005, 12:52:05 PM
What are the chances Lycoming gives Ithaca a run this weekend?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 12, 2005, 12:58:03 PM
Upbrmeasap
My comments were not ment as a slight towards GA. I said that those coaches were more qualified than GA for the Temple position, which I stand by and beg anyone to try to argue.  As the move to Division II or I-AA  that may be a possability at some time. However, keep in mind it is very hard to take a staff with you to a higher level. All D II full timers  are union and there contracts run seperate from the Head Coaches. That is why Zwann could not take any full time guys to WC. It is also a hard sell to bring in an entire DIII staff at th DI-AA level. For instance,  Keller and Deleware. When GA makes that move, and he will, it will probably be by himself at first.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 12, 2005, 01:24:05 PM
sorry my bad i know you werent slighting ga... i am not sure who would take that position right now. it is just really tough to recruit for top notch players at temple if the person is any good you have psu, pitt, md and rest beating down the door and trying to convince a student to come to north philly is more than difficult. although it might help to get a local div II or div I-AA coach who has the contacts with the local h.s. coaches to aid the recruiting but even then its still a tough sell.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 01:48:16 PM
bill & WUDLINE:

Are your surprising claims about some MAC defections to the Centennial factual?
Let us know, please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2005, 02:08:57 PM
Yeah

Please let us know, as I have to figure out what I am going to do next with my lousy WU education. ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 03:16:11 PM
Right, bman, and since I work for one of the venues allegedly denied entrance into the sanctified Centennial Conference, I want to start doing penance for my sins of association. # :-[

-------------------------------------

# And they are doubtless legion in number ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 12, 2005, 03:38:45 PM
Warren
All I can say is that it will all play out in the next month to 6 weeks.
Funny thing is, I hinted at this during the "academic" debate that went on here about 3 weeks ago, and no one picked up on it....
Anyway, the "rumor" (that I will neither confirm nor deny
;)
is that Moravian, Juniata, and Susqu. applied to the Centennial. M & J were accepted, but S was not. M&J could go to the Centennial as football only members. The question is, will the rest of the MAC allow this, and what will everyone else do in response....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 03:49:28 PM
Thanks, bill. If I were the MAC powers-that-be, I'd let them jump ship, but only if they jumped all the way -- none of this "football-only" bull****.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2005, 05:10:01 PM
Warren

Careful, the elders in my area, may mite you for that language (but I won't) :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 12, 2005, 05:16:38 PM
OK, bman, I take your point.

However, shouldn't your local Amish plain folk be very familiar with all varieties of animal by-products, whether taurine, bovine, equine, or porcine? Kindly advise ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 12, 2005, 07:00:45 PM
bombers handle lyco with ease.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 12, 2005, 07:08:10 PM
techmo -
( here's my 2 cents, plink - plink)  Seeing how Lyco is struggling this year, I think they're going to get spanked by Ithaca.  I'd love to see Lyco give them a run for their money but, right now, I just don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 12, 2005, 07:32:49 PM
Don Hansen's predictions for this weeks games:

(#8) Ithaca  over  Lyco                    42-7
(#9) DVC     over  Albright               35-14
(#38) Widener over Susquehanna      42-7
         King's  over  Juniata                24-7
         Wilkes  over  LVC                    28-21

.....and I must be completely blind or Don did not list the prediction for the FDU - Moravian game.  I think we're going to have some mud fests this weekend for the teams playing on grass.....bring your hip boots!   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 12, 2005, 07:43:44 PM
FYI
Both FDU and Moravian are working hard to get their artificial surfaces ready for this weekend. Because of the 11-15 inches of rain we've both had, both schools have had storm drains collapse either under or next to their fields....I think FDU's will be playable by Sat, though...I can't speak for Moravian.
Hope everyone has a safe weekend (no injuries)!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2005, 07:59:42 PM
Not all D-II full-timers are union positions. The Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference schools' coaches are and it's possible they are at some other state schools, but it is not a characteristic of Division II as a whole.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2005, 08:02:48 PM
Warren

Just kidding you...but to reply...maily bovine...some equine and taurine ...no porcine that I know of...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 12, 2005, 08:32:57 PM
Pat- Sorry  I should have made myself clearer I was only speaking of the PSAC.

Warren - I think Bill explained the MAC situation pretty well. 

Bman- I wish they would have told us WU was such a horrible academic university before we spent all of that money on our degrees.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2005, 10:37:26 PM
Dline

Personally I'm sick about it.... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 12, 2005, 10:59:52 PM
Last year I put together "Aggie Football Recaps" which provide approximately 5-minute audio stories of Delaware Valley games.

While some technical issues at SportsJuice.com prevented me from posting those this year, it looks like we're ready to roll 'em out again.

So if you're feeling a need to recap the Lycoming or Moravian games, they are posted here (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTM%3d-ZxcZI%2f2M1Lg%3d).  I try to add highlights from both teams unless the game is prohibitively lopsided.  So Lyco and Moravian fans can hear their highlights and just turn the rest off if they want. :)

I'll add the other games as time moves along.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 13, 2005, 11:03:11 AM
4man

I think Don Hansens' picks look fairly accurate with the exception of DVC/Albright.  After the pregame warm ups and after the 1st quarter, it will turn into another quadmire like last year against Juniata and the aftermath of Hurricane Ivan.  The following week DVC is away but the field will be ruined. Just another good argument for "Turf".  However I feel that this game will be low scoring  say like 17-10??

GO AGGIES!!!







Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 13, 2005, 11:06:10 AM
Gordo...will you guys be making another CD like the one from last year??  That one was great!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 13, 2005, 11:33:55 AM
Pat Coleman

I received pictures from Josh Bowerman...excellent quality and value...please pass this along to him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 13, 2005, 12:45:45 PM
I read over all of the posts concerning the possible defections of MAC schools to other leagues with great interest.  Whether motivated by a desire to be part of a more prestigious conference or be part of a less challenging football conference, I think that it makes more sense for those teams to remain in the MAC.  I was curious as to what other posters thought about the following idea.

First, I thought  about the possibility of splitting the conference into 2 divisions.  I recall that the MAC used to be comprised of two leagues, Commonwealth and Freedom.  Back then, it seemed that the more northern institutions were grouped in the Freedom while the southern institutions were part of the Commonwealth.  Each league selected its own all-star teams, and crowned division champions.  However, the conference, as it does today, received only one automatic bid to the NCAA playoffs which was awarded to the overall champion based on record, with various tiebreakers used.

I was thinking that perhaps more traditionally powerful teams, with arguably lower academic standards, could be placed into one division, with traditionally weaker teams with arguably higher academic standards could be placed into the other division.  Since (I think) there are currently 11 members in the MAC that play football, it would be nice to add one more team to make 2 divisions of 6.  Even if the MAC couldn't pick up another team, make one division have 6 teams and the other have 5 teams.  So, if you are in the 6 team division, you would play a total of 5 "division games," two inter-division games (which could rotate year by year) and two non-conference games.  Same for the 5 team division, except each team would have to pick up an extra non-conference game.  Have the winners of the two leagues play each other in a conference championship game at the end of the year (a la the Big 12 in D-1 football), with the winner getting the conference's automatic bid.

Proposed Membership:

Division 1

Lyco
Widener
Kings
Wilkes
DVC
Albright

Division 2

LVC
FDU
Juniata
Susquehanna
Moravian

Benefits of this setup:  More non-conference games, something the MAC is always slighted on.  This would increase the chances of getting an at-large bid out of the MAC, assuming good performance. Games would theoretically be more competitive.  All teams would have something to play for (separate division championships, all-stars, etc.).  There would be a prestige to get into and stay in the better football division.   
 
Weaknesses of this setup:  Historical performance can be an unpredictable indicator of present and future performance.  Cases in point are DVC and Lyco.  It would be difficult to place teams into leagues in this manner.  However, we could go on historical performance to start, and have a reshuffling every so often (3-4 years) where cumulative records are compiled and teams are assigned to divisions.  It also seems unfair to have a team from the weaker division get a shot at the stronger champion in a winner take all playoff game.

Anyways, I'd be interested to hear what everyone thinks.  My proposed membership is not intended to be a slight at any particular school in any way.  There were several teams that seemed to have gone either way. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 13, 2005, 01:10:02 PM
Billman:

Yes, I hope to do so along with the game broadcasts as before.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2005, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: LVCALUM on October 13, 2005, 12:45:45 PM
Have the winners of the two leagues play each other in a conference championship game at the end of the year (a la the Big 12 in D-1 football), with the winner getting the conference's automatic bid.

You can do that but it would count against your 10 games. You only get an 11th contest for your title game if you have 12 teams in the conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 13, 2005, 03:13:27 PM
LVCALUM....What is so wrong with it the way it is now set up.  I havent read all of your other posts...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 13, 2005, 03:15:02 PM
Gordo...thanks for the update.

LVCALUM....At a quick glance , it looks like you are back on the Academic thing again!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 13, 2005, 04:21:40 PM
I am not sure what all the buzz is about concerning petitions to change leagues particularly as it allegedly relates to academic standards and football prowess.  However, if it isn't broke why fix it?

Additionally, for those of you, and you seem to be legion, who are eager to pronounce Lycoming dead and washed-up, I only want to point out one very telling fact.  And as we all know, facts are stubborn things.

That fact is this - since 1983 - when the MAC was last realigned - Lycoming is the winningest program - bar none.  Here are the facts:

Lycoming:  153-34-3 .813
Widener:   146-54-1 .715
Susq:         122-66-1 .648
Moravian:  114-76-2 .599

Note - Susquehanna - an alleged academic powerhouse - also managed a healthy won-loss record.  So why the move?  I am sure some of you will be eager to point out this is past performance and not necessarily an indicator of future results.  Granted.  However, if this were a mutual fund, where would your money be, on Lycoming with a career victory return of .813 or DVC at .370 or LVC at .263? 

Last year was the first non-winning season for Lycoming in 30 years!  One disappointing data point and this season appears to be more of the same.  Okay, two data points and now we have a line.  I saw a great deal of heart on Saturday and a good bit of talent when I was at David Person field for the Wilkes loss.  Furthermore, I did not claim the Warriors had 300 yards offense - I quoted from the Williamsport Sun Gazette what was listed in the game stat sheet.  Regardless, if Lycoming has not been, the class football program for the MAC in recent years, it has certainly been in the elite few.  All this trash talking does not square with the facts, and frankly, it is wearisome and unfounded, despite current outcomes. 

Until another program can find a way to generate the sustained successful output of the Warriors it will all just be smack. 

My hat is truly off to the newcomers to the top of the standings.  Competition is what makes our country keen.  Sustained superior performance is what is truly remarkable not just an abrupt turn around of a program followed by coach(es) who pad their resume and then move on and up the D coaching ladder.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 13, 2005, 04:27:44 PM
>>>However, if this were a mutual fund, where would your money be<<<    I can guarantee you I would be shorting lyco!!! they are falling quicker than tyco....point of interest how does dvc's winning percentage the last 3 years compare to lyco's?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 13, 2005, 06:07:31 PM
Upset Special!!!!!!

Delaware Valley will go down this weekend for two reasons.

1.  They are slightly overrated, I say 18th in the Nation not top 10
2.  I am still slightly bitter at the Fisher game in the playoffs last year, I can admit it  :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 13, 2005, 06:29:31 PM
Fellow Posters,
I feel LCCALUM, brings some good ideas to the forefront.  The question that must be asked, pursuant to posters who claim,"if it ain't broke, don't fix it", is why are certain programs entertaining leaving the MAC.  Is it because they feel they can't field a competitive team?  If you're competing in a league where there is recruiting parity, you will certainly increase your odds for success.  For those posters living in LALA land thinking there is academic paridy within the MAC, you are misinformed.  You know and I know there are programs in the MAC that have players that would not be accepted at some of the other MAC schools.  Albeit, these are individual school decisions that substantially effect their ability to recruit the best athletes.  A school that accepts marginal students vs a school that doesn't, has a distinct advantage on a Saturday afternoon.  The proposal LVCALUM is bringing to the forefront, would certainly level the playing field.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 13, 2005, 06:34:54 PM
Pat,

All the more reason to try to pick up a 12th team.  Any possibilities?

Billman56,

The reason I made my post was because of all the posts I had read indicating that up to 4 schools had applied for membership in other conferences.  I think the sudden departure of more than 1/3 of the MAC's football playing institutions would be a serious blow to the conference, even if those schools were not historically successful in terms of wins and losses.  Besides, it's a Middle Atlantic Conference discussion board, and I was discussing the Middle Atlantic Conference.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 13, 2005, 06:49:08 PM
Bman,

My pop is on his way down for the Widener homecoming festivities tommorrow. I think there will be a nice contingent of PMC grads on campus.

Who's the favorite on Saturday?  Are you doing any of the homecoming stuff on Friday and Sat?  Maybe you'll run into him and my Mom.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 13, 2005, 08:38:32 PM
Guys
I could go on for quite some time about this one, but here it goes -
1. Most of these league discussions about who belongs with who in what league go on at the presidential level, not at the coach or even AD level. In fact, that's why the first version of the MAC football was set up the way it was. It had absoultely nothing to do with geography, and everything to do with whose president didn't like who.
Moravian was angry that they didn't leave (get in) to the centennial. The former presidents of Widener and Susquehanna thought that they were above everyone else, and didn't want to be associated with the likes of a DVC, Upsala, Wilkes, and FDU. They also didn't like Lycoming for a number of reasons (including getting beat often), and put the ridiculous combination of Upsala, DVC, FDU, Kings, Wilkes, and Lyco in the same football conference. (Ridiculous by geography , that is)
2. I know this is a DIII football site, but there are other sports out there. It upsets other schools when teams in the conference throw ALL of their resources into one or two sports, and can barely field teams in the other 14-16 sports. That's another reason why schools get upset with each other....
Gotta run
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 14, 2005, 01:25:28 AM
Before I forget to remember...

You can catch the dueling QBs on Saturday as John Port and the Lions look to get back on track against Adam Knoblauch and the Aggies.

Pregame begins at 12:30 PM with kickoff at 1 PM on www.sportsjuice.com.

Also, for those who care (and those who don't), the Aggies recap of the FDU-Florham game is posted on the team site here (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTM%3d-ZxcZI%2f2M1Lg%3d).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 14, 2005, 08:28:41 AM
game face on for albright!!!   GO AGGIES!!!!       No more coming out of the gate slow its time to step up and lay the lumber to them and drop 21 pts. on them in the 1st qtr and put the game away early!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 14, 2005, 09:25:23 AM
Lyco 80
I certianly will argue that the program at WU has generated a much successful output as your Warriors. Even the bad years at WU have not been like the back to back seasons in Williamsport. I will agree with your point about it being early to throw it in. Coach G is an excellent coach and will eventually right the ship. Hopefully for your sake it will be sooner and not later.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 09:36:02 AM
Once again, I HATE LYCOMING ! also DVC is not a top 10 team. Their record might be a top 10 record but if you matched them up against any of the top 10 teams in the country they would be dismantled. We saw what happened last year when they played a decent team in Rowan. Not pretty. and once again, I HATE LYCOMING.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 14, 2005, 09:42:36 AM
chum slam thats why its decided on the field and we will see if dvc makes it into the final 10 period....that simple and obviously they are the class of the mac and you may not like it but facts is facts.... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 10:15:16 AM
Right now they are the class of a tough MAC. Not for long though, they do not have the talent to stay at the top for long. I wish them all the luck in the world IF they make the playoffs. Like last year I will be at their playoff games rooting for them.


On a lighter note....LYCOMING SUCKS !!!!!!!  ahahahahaha Take your junk school and junk town and just burn it to the ground.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 14, 2005, 10:19:55 AM
MoJo: That's just stupid! That's the excuse Notre Dame used and look at them now? Seems like it just takes the right coach to me!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 14, 2005, 10:37:34 AM
MaAggie,

     I dislike Charlie Weiss with a passion.  I don't think he will keep winning, you heard it here first Notre Dame will lose 3 more games before this season is over
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 10:40:22 AM
I cant stand Notre Dame and I am not a big Weiss fan. But what he did for that kid and his family, the one who was dying of cancer, was one of the classiest things I have ever seen someone do. Charlie Weiss is a good man.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 14, 2005, 10:47:02 AM
Chum,

That's true, what he did was a good thing.  No arguing that.  There is just something shady about the guy though lol, I just can't place it yet. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2005, 10:49:48 AM
JT

Sorry for the late response...I will be at the game on Sat...I will only be there for a couple of hours, since my wife has to go to a funeral, and I have to bring my son (who is 3, and won't last...)  I won't be at any of the other events...

Tell your dad to look for me at the alumni tent, I will be wearing a Nebraska hat (So people can find me)...I would like to say hello...and maybe he will tell me some sociall crippling stories from your youth I can use against you on the NJAC board ;D

also...I will meet you guys...you,  Xgsc etc...at one of your play-off games this year...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 10:51:06 AM
bman, see you there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2005, 10:51:46 AM
He reminds me of Roger Podactor(sp?) of Ace Ventura Pet Detective (1)...but he did have the b*lls of a bandit to throw that pass on the 1....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 14, 2005, 11:00:30 AM
bman,

When he calls in.  I'll let him know to look you up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 14, 2005, 12:09:27 PM
bman

Holy crap he does look like Roger Podactor, good call! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 14, 2005, 12:31:43 PM
bman,

Heard from my Dad.  He will be wearing a PMC 65 hat, I told him you'd have a Nebraska hat on.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 14, 2005, 01:11:30 PM
It is nice to hear from about all of the Alumni that will be heading back to WU. Hopefully they willprovide a good showing.

Chum - please try to represent the WU alumni better. Your comments are a bit harsh.
Del Val is a very good undefeated team that was in the playoffs the previous season. I have seen them plat twice this year. There Def. excellent and the QB is a winner. They deserve to be ranked exactly where they are until somebody proves otherwise on the field.
As for lycoming, it seems everyone is lining up to kick them why they are down. I guess that comes with the territory of being on top. I only hope everyone remembers that they have represented this conference extremely well for many years. We may have hated them as opponents and had many wonderful battles over the years. Those of us that truely know the game also have alot of respect for them. Lycoming is a great program that has been built on the sweat of many talanted players. The tradition of that program should not be questioned or disrespected.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 14, 2005, 01:22:02 PM
here here well said wudline your entire post was spot on!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 14, 2005, 01:25:25 PM
bobbyhas: Like him or not he's winning and as Chum stated that was a class move calling that play for the little boy. I think in the short time he's been there he's moving ND in the right direction and all my post said was that for the past few years people have been blaming admissions for the football program's lack of success. The bottom line is that this guy is winning with the same admission's standards, so to state that certain MAC teams can't recruit on an equal footing(which to me smacks of something entirely different)is merely an excuse for a program's lack of success.

The bottom line is that some of the programs that are being singled out as "academic bottom feeders" haven't changed their standards of admissions and are now winning - they were perennial losers with the same recruiting criteria - so I think that theory lacks any substance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2005, 02:49:21 PM
JT will look for him...

MAaggie....he still looks like Roger Podactor though :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 03:07:02 PM
What comments did you find harsh? I definatey have a right to be harsh, 3 rings.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 14, 2005, 03:55:28 PM
Chum-
I feel that you need to show a little restraint in your comments toward Del Val and Lyco. Your comments about your dislike for Lyco are a bit overboard. I think you also need to show a little more respect for Del Val and what they have been able to accomplish. I wonder if you have seen them play this year? I have seen them play twice and feel that they deserve the ranking that they have earned until someone proves otherwise. Please do not fall into the trap of other young alumni and allow personal feelings to cloud your judgement. Rings do not give you the right to state that you wish an entire town burns to the ground. Furthermore, many WU alum also have rings of their own.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 04:11:13 PM
Not very long ago I played against the number 1,3,5,6,7,12th ranked teams in the country. Del Val is not on that level yet, very good, but not quite there.

As far as my dislike for Lycoming, it will continue, and i stick by my previous statements. They are our bitter rivals, all games are fought tooth and nail. I respect them yet hate them. Maybe there is a new mindset at Widener not to hate Lyco, but when we played there we were taught to hate them, and we did, and always will. We practied extra during Lyco Week.

Yes many alumni do have rings, not 3 though. I have earned the right to say whatever I want about the MAC, and I will continue to do so. However I will respect your wishes and tell you when to stop reading my post due to Lyco Bashing.

WWWWWWUUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 14, 2005, 04:25:11 PM
Maggie,
Enough!  As a LYCO grad, I normally don't call people stupid because I have better manners, you might consider doing the same.  I have read your posts and with few exceptions, you speak of things with which you have limited to nil knowledge.  I do believe that coaching is important and I do agree with your Notre Dame example.  However with that being said, if one school allows marginal students into their program, and competing schools do not, thats a distinct recruiting advantage and results in more wins on a Saturday afternoon.  GA is a good coach, however there are at least a handful of coaches in the MAC, that could achieve the same results, if they had the same talent level on their squad.  I'm not saying that football players are academic nonachievers (NOTE MAGGIE I DIDN'T SAY STUPID), most aren't.  What I am saying is that a school that can go after both good and bad student athletes, have a distinct advantage over schools that recruit only good student athletes.  It's a numbers game, and yes individual school admissions and financial aid departments have more of an impact of program success than coaching.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 14, 2005, 04:31:03 PM
Quote from: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 04:11:13 PM
I have earned the right to say whatever I want about the MAC, and I will continue to do so.


Some might contend that you've also "earned the right" to make a public ass of yourself -- and to "continue to do so."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 14, 2005, 04:40:58 PM
couldnt of said it better warren!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 05:23:29 PM
Contrary to popular belief this is not public, and I will continue to make an ass out of myself, if that means discussing things I know.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 14, 2005, 05:30:18 PM
Chum-
I have been around the WU program for over 20 years and have never refused to defend one of our own, congrats you are the first. Your comments and arrogants are fictitous. I will simply waste anymore time reading your post or responding to them. For your own sake please try to get out and watch some d3 football before you comment on any other teams. an educated comment is always a better comment. You may have three rings but you do not have the big one that some of us do. ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 14, 2005, 05:34:57 PM
Just for the record ...

If this room isn't public, whereby the whole world, if it so chose, could read your words, then just what would you consider "public"?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 05:45:55 PM
What comments were fictitious ?
You have the big ring ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 14, 2005, 07:12:02 PM
Chum,

You sound like a guy who cant over his glory days, or lack there of. Move on with life, find a new hobby, no one appreciates your input anymore.

To get back to MAC football, which is why we are all supposed to be here.  It looks like this weekend is going to be alot of mud games again, how is everyone going to makeout this weekend?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 14, 2005, 07:46:57 PM
lol  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 14, 2005, 08:52:20 PM
Chum Slam....your first posts wre a bit amusing but have now turned sour and bitter. Try to get over the bitterness, it will make you a better person. Take your three rings and have them mounted, by you sitting on them. The glory days are over, move on with your life and try to have fond memories of your alledged playing time, and not having thoughts of burning a town to the ground.  Grow the hell up!!


Upbrmeasap...it is going to be a mud bath in Doylestown tomorrow. Wish it was dry just to see the 2 featured QBs' strut their stuff.


HEY READYTOROCK...YOUR GUY IS # 4 ON THE LIST...CONGRATS THERE AND TO HIM!!!

GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 14, 2005, 09:24:50 PM
Good luck to everyone this w/e.  I especially want to wish Lyco good luck this w/e against a non-conference team that's ranked high.  Lyco playing well this w/e still sends a message to the rest of dIII.  Root for the upset!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 14, 2005, 10:50:22 PM
MoJo: As a Lyco grad I would think your reading comprehension would be a little better...where did I say you were stupid???? I said your theory was stupid and then used an example of why. You seem a bit touchy and really are boring  us with your constant sniping about who's smarter, I believe it was stated earlier that people are only interested in talking football but you insist on making snide comments denegrating other schools academic programs. Additionally, you don't seem to be able to step out of the past. This is 2005 and like it or not, DVC sits atop the MAC for the 2nd year in a row. They still have a lot of season left and some tough football to play. Lyco had their shot at them and didn't get it done try and take your lumps like a man and move on.

As for your assertion that other coaches could take GA's talent and win with it, I tend to doubt that is true, but it's only an opinion since we'll never know. I think it's a bit cavalier of you to assume that the football players on his team are marginal students, what proof do you have? Have you seen their grades or SAT's for all you know they could be outstanding students..

I say you should just get over it there are plenty of outstanding football players who are also good students perhaps your coach should do a better job recruiting if you think that's what it's all about. And unless you have some kind of proof that the DVC kids aren't outstanding students you should just shut your pie hole.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 14, 2005, 11:06:18 PM
I know personally that there were kids turned down from LVC that were given academic scholarships to DVC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2005, 11:32:57 PM
MaAggie

You are showing your age....I don't think anyone uses the term pie hole anymore ;D

Chum...man we've got to get a beverage in you stat son...I mean...the whole town?  Where will the little leaguers play? :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2005, 11:35:33 PM
PS Warren...did you figure out what we are going to do with our "Crappy" degrees?  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 14, 2005, 11:50:05 PM
Maggie,
By stating my ideas are stupid you are in fact saying I am stupid.  I will again state that you speak of facts that you have limited knowledge.  It is common knowledge that DVC is recruiting athletes that could not get in some of the other MAC schools. ie:LVC  I'm glad that these kids have someplace to go and are given an opportunity to get an education.  These student athletes must still complete approved academic requirements to graduate.  If they accomplish this, great.  If not, they'll probably be changing tires down at the Walmart and be able to tell their coworkers they played college football.  I would be curious how many kids come into GA's program and graduate, in comparison to a school like LVC.  How anyone can argue that a school that admits marginal students to play ball does not have an advantage over schools that won't admit those type students is beyond my grasp.  DVC is on top because plain and simple, they have better athletes.  Yea the coaching is good but so is the coaching at other schools.  ie:LYCO  Have a good evening and best of luck to your team tomorrow.  Good luck to the Dutchman.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 15, 2005, 01:44:46 AM
There is no other sport that has such an uneven playing field as D3 football.  Academic standards, financial aid, etc... There is no even playing field.  Get over it.  It isnt going to change.  It is, what it is.

I have zero doubt that if some coaching staffs put the same effort into recruiting that they put into whining about their situation, they would be more competive.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 15, 2005, 01:55:28 AM
Billman, alledged playing time?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 15, 2005, 07:49:28 AM
bman:

After much soul-searching, agonizing and research into the facts, I fear I have to admit that a "crappy" degree will take you only so far down the road of life, e.g., to such venues as Hershey Medical School, the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, Washington & Lee School of Law, Harvard Law School, Union Theological Seminary, the New York Times (editorial staff), Carnegie-Mellon University (graduate school), and various financial institutions (the name of Citicorp, for some reason, comes to mind).

Sorry my research couldn't produce a more positive result ....  :-[
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 15, 2005, 08:28:53 AM
Warren

I guess we will have to muddle through :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 15, 2005, 08:41:32 AM
GA is a fine coach.  But what he has done and how he has done it is not MAGIC.  This guy is not the "BABY JESUS",so stop gathering around this guy and his program like he is.  There is at least a handful of other coaches that could have achieved the same results if they had access to the same kids.  I am not discounting GA or DVC's achievments, yes they are and have been on top of the MAC for the past two years.  The purpose of this post is to bring some of the contributors on this board back to reality. 




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 15, 2005, 09:33:50 AM
Bman, muddle on, but please shut your piehole.... ;D  Couldn't resist, I always loved that saying, guess I am showing my age also.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 15, 2005, 09:50:35 AM
MoJo: Common knowledge is another word of saying "rumor". If you can't prove it you shouldn't be spreading it around. As for calling you stupid, agian it's all in your lack of comprehension. Your remark was stupid, or lacking in understanding. I repeat what you want to pass off as only a product of recruiting can be explained as good coaching.

Bottom line is that everything seems to be beyond your grasp...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 15, 2005, 09:54:11 AM
Oh and btw, you are not only discounting DVC's success but are insulting every kid playing there. Your last post was the most enlightening as your true agenda is hate of GA
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on October 15, 2005, 12:19:26 PM
You all are a lot more familiar with Lycoming than us Empire 8-folk. Does Lyco have any shot of knocking off the Bombers today. Do they have any dangerous players?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 02:16:07 PM
Halftime score Ithaca - 10  Lycoming - 7.  Go Warriors!

Albiright DVC game seems interesting based on scoreboard too!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 03:28:34 PM
Lycoming is giving the Bombers a run - but I feel it may fall short.  Current score 27-21 Ithaca with about 7 minutes to go.  Still, given the results of this season, and the fact that Ithaca is rated #8 in the country, this is a step in the right direction.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 03:36:40 PM
Lyco ball with minutes to go - maybe an upset in the making - who knows?

Just glad to see the Warriors battling for victory again.  Smith seems like he is beginning to gain some confidence.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 03:39:47 PM
Lycoming at the 19 yd line - second down with 2:20 to go.  An upset in the making????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 03:45:30 PM
Lycoming ties game only to miss PAT 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 03:52:48 PM
Lycoming - Ithaca OVERTIME.  Not too bad a showing for a team that is supposedly DEAD against the #8 team in the country.  Glad to see the Warriors battling to the very last snap, again, as previously.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2005, 04:10:04 PM
WARRIORS WIN!   Smith scores a TD in OT to put Lycoming on top.  I only wish I had been there.  Bring on LVC.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2005, 05:11:52 PM
Wow, outstanding win for Lycoming today.

It's a nice win for the whole conference, too, as a testament to the MAC's strength in the region.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 15, 2005, 05:51:31 PM
Maggie,
Believe what you want.  Your assertions about my agenda are incorrect, but then what else is new.  If you want to believe, GA is the "Messiah of the MAC", go ahead, I don't.  As stated in the past, I believe GA is a good coach, however I don't feel he is any better than some of the other premier coaches in the MAC. ie:LYCO'S Coach G.  The only point I was trying to make, again please read my lips, if school A (DVC) allows some players into their program that are marginal students and school B (LVC) will not admit these type students, school A (DVC) has a definite advantage over school B (LVC) on any given Saturday afternoon.  I am in no way implying that all student athletes at DVC are not good students, what I am saying that there are some players currently on DVC's squad that would not be/ or have been accepted at LVC.  This statement is not heresay, rumor, etc, but fact.  I am sorry you feel that I have insulted DVC's Kids, Coaches, and program.  I have not.  In closing, congratulations WARRIORS, YOU PLAYED LIKE CHAMPIONS TODAY!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 15, 2005, 08:20:12 PM
Just wanted to update the board by putting 246 to the left...Good job men!...It started last week in the 3rd qtr and continued through all 4 qtrs today....."G" had you mentally prepared that it was your playoff game today...You bought in and executed....Finish the year strong one week at a time now and more important, have fun doing it!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on October 15, 2005, 08:24:36 PM
KUDOS TO LYCOMING!!!    For scheduling a tough out of conf. opponent and winning the game!!  NO ONE gave y'all a chance!  Congrats.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 15, 2005, 08:33:59 PM
Mojo-
well if you are correct with what u are saying about dvc.....

then why doesn't lvc changes some things so maybe they would be successful for once

i feel bad for kids that go to lvc b/c they know they never win

imagine their visit to the college....."well son you have a great academic background and are one hell of a football player....come to school here and lose for 4 years.."   or hmmm go to dvc get a education and win some football games
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on October 15, 2005, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 15, 2005, 05:11:52 PM
Wow, outstanding win for Lycoming today.

It's a nice win for the whole conference, too, as a testament to the MAC's strength in the region.

It's certainly a nice win for the MAC, however, the conference is 3-5 in non-league matches with the other two wins against Ursinius??!  With the Gulls and Mules left as out of conf. opponents, unless I missed a game, that might be it this season.

Question--  why so much talk of movement within the conf. and is Susquehanna certainly leaving??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 15, 2005, 08:45:18 PM
HEY LYCO--
WAY TO GO!!!!  What a Great Game today!!!  Way to represent the MAC!  NANANA  NANaNA  hey hey....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 15, 2005, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: bossman05 on October 15, 2005, 08:33:59 PM
Mojo-
well if you are correct with what u are saying about dvc.....

then why doesn't lvc changes some things so maybe they would be successful for once

i feel bad for kids that go to lvc b/c they know they never win

imagine their visit to the college....."well son you have a great academic background and are one hell of a football player....come to school here and lose for 4 years.."   or hmmm go to dvc get a education and win some football games

bossman, what do you think kids visit were like at DellVall before 2003?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 15, 2005, 09:42:20 PM
Bossman,
I wish LVC would loosen their academic criteria in respect to at least a few student athlete recruits.  I had two sons that played in the LVC program and although overall I think they had a positive experience, its a whole lot more fun when you are winning.  Although I feel LVC is starting to support the program more than they have had in the past, in my opinion, their academic criteria will continue to inhibit the success of their program.  I personally am not opposed to taking the path DVC has chosen.  If you are a good athlete and a good student you will get a great education and be able to succeed in life.  (Note: this statement is true for all the MAC schools)  If you are academically challenged, you will either sink or swim.  As stated in a post to Maggie, it would be interesting to see how many players go through the DVC program and graduate versus the LVC program.   Yes posters, this is a relavent issue.  Division 3 players should be students first and athletes second.  With few exceptions, in my lifetime ,have I seen a player at the division 3 level able to make it to the NFL.  The only one I can think of is "White Shoes" Johnson.  In past posts I was attempting to make the point that although GA is a good coach, there are other coaches in the MAC just as good.  I personally do not think that GA is a recruiting GURU or a superior coach because he is able to recruit kids that other coaches can't touch because of their respective school's admission policies.  By speaking the truth, Maggie has made statements concerning keeping my pie hole shut and also my status as a man.  The lack of class exhibited by this individual amazes me.  Maggie again reaffirms my belief that the older I become, and the more people I meet, the more I like my dog.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2005, 09:48:51 PM
More Division III players in the NFL are listed in the FAQ.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 15, 2005, 09:55:48 PM
Mojo, Bossman - I think we all get your points.  Any chance we can move on now?

As presented in "Around the Nation"  Mark my words or I'll eat 'em - my bad.  Chomp, chomp, chomp - that's me eating my words from a previous post that Lyco wouldn't pull out the win against Ithaca.  Great job to the Lycoming Warriors!!  You proved a lot of us wrong and in a big way.  Knocking off # 8!!!  You should all be very proud of that accomplishment.  Outstanding!!!  I wish I would have been there to see that one.

I was at the DVC / Albright game....too close for comfort, but DVC pulled out the win.  Go Aggies!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 15, 2005, 10:28:42 PM
4Man....Amen!!!  MOJO, Bossman...Yes we get your point!!.This has been discussed many times over the last few weeks...We all get it ok??? Please move on..  That horse is dead please stop beating him.

Simba, Lyco...GREAT WIN...KEEP IT GOING NOW!

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 15, 2005, 10:43:18 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lycoming.edu%2Fsports%2Ffootball%2F05releases%2Fvs-ithaca-photo2.jpg&hash=f4e6685c516c5d60cac0854c90be2360b0dad6ab)
Lycoming quarterback Glenn Smith scores the winning touchdown on a nine-yard scamper on the Warriors' first overtime possession after the defense had previously forced Ithaca to settle for a field goal during its overtime drive.  The overtime win marks only the second time the Warriors have won a game in an extra period with its other victory coming against East Texas Baptist in the 2003 NCAA playoffs....Lyco website....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 16, 2005, 08:52:08 AM
Simba and the Lyco crew

Congrats on a great win yesterday...way to represent the conference!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 16, 2005, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: MOJO on October 15, 2005, 09:42:20 PM
Bossman,
I wish LVC would loosen their academic criteria in respect to at least a few student athlete recruits.

you have got to be kidding me.  grades are really not that important but lowering standards for someone to get in just because they're an athlete?  I hate it that DI schools do it, now D3 should too?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 16, 2005, 01:11:52 PM
Splik,
Just a few kids.  Specifically linemen.  Three or four kids a year would not jeopardize academic ranking.  Besides, they gotta make the grade or they won't graduate.  I think the program at LVC is headed in the right direction.  With that being said, I don't think they can reach the pinnacle where LYCO has been and where DVC is now, without making some concessions in the academic arena.  If you don't think it hasn't happened at other MAC schools over the years, you are grossly mistaken.  This is the SINGLE LARGEST REASON LVC has been noncompetitive over the years.  If you think that this has hampered the academic achievers at the schools that have taken this approach, be assured it hasn't.  DVC, LYCO, ALBRIGHT, WU have had their share of DRS., LAWYERS, AND INDIAN CHIEFS.  The achievers succeed regardless of the schools they graduate from in the MAC.  I have seen kids play at LVC that could have been starters at any school in the MAC, however there are not enough of these kids at other positions on the team.  You know and I know the historic reason for this trend at LVC.  Specifically the admissions and financial aid departments.  I'd like this program to be on top of the pile one of these seasons instead of always at the bottom.  End of discussion!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 16, 2005, 04:05:12 PM
MOJO,

How bout the coaches at LVC just get after the smart kids and let the dumb ones go somewhere else?? Odds are, if they are that dumb, they wont make it long at the school anyways... Trust me, you wont win many games playing freshmen and sophomores every year.

I would tell you to check out the gpas of the kids committed to Charlie Weis and Notre Dame, but I think you would just come back with more blabble and whining about academic standards.

It is, what it is.  As soon as LVC starts putting effort into the things they do have, instead of worrying about what they dont - maybe they will get some better kids and win some more games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on October 16, 2005, 04:43:12 PM
Yo Aggies way to go! That was an awesome game. The QB from Albright is fantastic and had a great game. Their O-line did an awesome job of protecting him all day right up to when #55 came up big with a sack! DVC's defense has been great all year and had a couple of key injuries in the game yesterday but dug deep and manned up when it counted.

Congrats to Lyco on their win yesterday too.

For MoJo: you lost all credibility with your last post...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 16, 2005, 07:46:53 PM
I am willing to bet academic standards are not the only reason LVC has not been competitive.  There are plenty of schools have excellent academic standards and are competitive in sports.  Look at F&M in basketball and football (look at last year) or Johns Hopkins, not exactly weak sisters academically or athletically.  Heck, isnt LVC good at every sport except football?
That aside, I was impressed to see Lycoming win and make some noise for the MAC. Hopefully, Widener can do the same and knock off a tough Salisbury team soon. 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 16, 2005, 10:03:24 PM
Congratulations to Lyco for the big win this past weekend.  Has Glenn Smith been starting all year?  I went to high school with his cousin, who told me over the summer that Smith would be starting QB for Lyco this year, but I didn't hear hear anything about him until the Ithaca game.  However, I won't be rooting for them this week. 

Also, it sounds like the DVC-AC game was very exciting as well. 

As for all the talk about academics and all that--isn't it more fun to talk about football?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LYCOFB on October 16, 2005, 10:29:00 PM
Smith started the first two games, then split time for a game or two with back up QB Hanna. He won his starting position back before the wilkes game, and has started since then.
GO WARRIORS.... 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on October 16, 2005, 10:38:13 PM
 :) :) :) :) widener wins again......here goes a question for ya....why is widener not ranked yet....hey d3football.com  get in the game we are better then a couple of those teams... ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 16, 2005, 10:42:37 PM
If Widener hadn't lost to Wilkes ... or Wilkes hadn't lost to William Paterson ... you'd be getting more than zero votes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 16, 2005, 11:10:02 PM
Bigdoggy:

Pat hit the nail on the head.  I was the last guy voting for Widener this year.  But the Wilkes game throws a monkey wrench in any plans to put the Pioneers back on my ballot at least.  There are just so many other worthy undefeated and one loss teams left right now.

The Pioneers are certainly on my radar though.  I liked them coming into 2005 and that hasn't changed a whole lot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 17, 2005, 08:15:39 AM
Posters,
Ok, lets talk football.  Pursuant to LYCO,s upset of then #8 Ithaca, I would be interested in feedback from anyone that attended the game or is knowledgeable about Ithica and the Empire 8 Conference.  Is the MAC a stronger conference?  Did Ithica take LYCO for granted, and get caught in doing so?  Did LYCO play above themselves or is LYCO a better team than people have expressed on the board?  Remember, this is the same team that was spanked by FDU.  Was that a quirk or was LYCO emotionally drained from their game with DVC the prior week?  Can LYCO put it together for LVC, or are they spent from last weeks surprising upset of Ithica?  I'm fortunate this week because I am both a LYCO and LVC fan, so I can't lose.  I hope LVC is victorious because I know some of the kids that are playing.  How good is LYCO's secondary?  Have opponents been successful throwing the ball against LYCO?  I,m assuming their ground defense will be tough, a usual LYCO trademark.  Well I'm anxious for feedback.  Best of luck to both the Dutchmen and Warriors to get through this game with no injuries.  Go Dutchmen!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 17, 2005, 09:42:50 AM
Congrats WU, great win, and it was great to be on the sidelines again. WUDLINE do you have the big one ? you never answered my question.

Also I'm hoping for a one loss Widener vs an undefeated Del Val for the MAC championship.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 09:44:25 AM
Pat & Gordonmann
What confuses me about Wu not being in the rankings is that there seems to be a certian double standard. I agree that the Wilkes loss was not a vey good, but it was the first week of the season. Wu was without Schmit, Rock and Prothro. They have run off 5 straight wins since. If you argue the point that they should not be ranked because of a bad loss, then please explain how Salisbury stays ranked after lossing to Monclair.Furthermore Ithica lost to Lyco, which WU beat. If you going on the strength of schedule or quality of wins, WU is ranked 24th by d3. Ahead of teams like Coe(25),W & L (27), Ferrum(34), Cartage (34), Ithica (42), and W&J (53). All of these teams are either ranked or can be found in others recieving.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 17, 2005, 09:54:48 AM
dvc/widener if both win until the end of the season would be a great match up. although i will just take dvc winning out at this point no matter who they are playing!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 10:06:53 AM
The Wu / Dvc will be a great one. Just like the last two. The both teams have a lot ability and the coaches know each other very well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2005, 10:37:29 AM
WUDLINE

Let's hold off of the rankings argument for a bit...that should take care of itself if we win against SU...

Chum...was looking for you Sat...too bad I missed you...I had to leave mid 3rd q though...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 10:44:06 AM
Bman
That should hopefully take care of itself. However if Wu is not ranked or at least in the others recieving then a win against Salsbury migh tnot matter.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 17, 2005, 10:51:25 AM
bman,

My Dad and Mom had a good time, but he wasn't able to run into you.  He thought the Fri night and Sat night festivities were OK.  He thought Widener was a little cheap with the spread and open bar.

He and some of classmates feel that the school doesn't do enough for the PMC grads.  These are the guys who could make the big donation, but many don't feel much connection to the school anymore.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 17, 2005, 11:06:13 AM
Bman

I was at the tent around 12:30, saw about 60 red hats, couldnt fina  Nebraska one though. Walked on over to the game at 12:50. Was looking for you.

WUDLINE, do you have the big ring?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 11:24:48 AM
Chum
As I stated earlier I will not be replying to any of your post. I have removed you from my Wu family for a lack of  class, and moral judgement. Please do not refer to me in any of your post. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 17, 2005, 11:27:23 AM
Well I just wanted to make sure your statements are justified. So please answer just that for me.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2005, 01:26:47 PM
Chum/JT

I was dissapointed this year....I expected they would be more family friendly than in the past...Last year they did not have those bouncy pits and slides for the kids...they assured a friend of mine that they would this year...I was in a position this year that I had to take my son...or not go...

The childrens activity essentially consisted of face painting and a bean bag tou that was broken and taped together....very lame.

So essentially they provided nothing of value for children, I occupied him the tent as long as I could, then I took him into the game...he lasted a little over a quarter....

so....JT they are as bad for the WU alum as they are for the PMC...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 01:37:24 PM
bman
I asked about the childrens activities and was told that the main reason that they did not have the slides / ect..  is that all of the construction/ field work that is taking place prevented it. It placed alot of us in the same situation with our children.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 17, 2005, 02:22:02 PM
Bman, loved the fireworks at the end of the national anthem though. That was definately a treat.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 17, 2005, 03:24:31 PM
MOJO

As I previously stated Lyco is and will always be a tought win. I feel that they have righted the ship and it did start prior to the Ithaca game. Lyco...good luck the remainder of the season....

AC?DVC...what a game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2005, 04:14:59 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 17, 2005, 09:44:25 AM
Pat & Gordonmann
If you going on the strength of schedule or quality of wins, WU is ranked 24th by d3.

That's the NCAA's ranking, not ours. We don't believe in it and certainly don't go by it for anything. We only print it because the NCAA uses it.

We make that abundantly clear on the QOW page.

I have often found if a voter is up in the air about a team they look at the future schedule and see if there are any statement games on the schedule, ones that will tell us for sure whether a team is up or down. Widener has two such statement games remaining, but unfortunately they are the last two weeks of the season. I can see Widener getting votes before then but the Pioneers won't turn a majority of the voters' heads until those games are played.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2005, 08:00:21 PM
DLINE

Thanks for the info....I guess the saying is true, that if you want somethhin done...then don't talk about it...get involved. 

I will make the appropriate action...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 17, 2005, 09:16:33 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwilliamsport-pa.com%2Flycomingfootball%2Flc05101501banner.jpg&hash=b3ec57711a941d5d4c35687e6139ee5b9923e6a6)

4 weeks of frustration relieved on just one play!...
Look at that sideline...No matter who your MAC team of choice is on this board, you've got to appreciate the moment captured by the WOL photographer..Congratulations again Warriors!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 17, 2005, 09:55:04 PM
Simba...That pic is worth 10,000 words...good luck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 18, 2005, 06:38:39 AM
Simba,

Copied the pic too.  Great shot!  I think I see Wise off his feet in mid-air.

May be going to DVC leaving Friday night with Tom Grace, #34 from the 1996-99 team.  He's a Captain in the Marines assigned here in Norfolk.

Should, if we come, look for you?

We hope to leave Friday night and stay close to Annville making it an easy drive Saturday morning.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wilkessid on October 18, 2005, 02:18:02 PM
WUDLINE:

Although I love your enthusiasm in regards to your team (and a very good team it is), please do not make things up to prove your point.  All three of the players that you mentioned in a previous post, Schmidt, Rock and Prothro, did indeed play in the game against Wilkes.  I am not providing this information to stir up any controversy, but lets make it perfectly clear that the Wilkes defense did indeed shutout out Widener with all of your weapons.  Good luck with the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 18, 2005, 02:49:57 PM
Simba
That is a cool picture and I'm far from being a lycoming fan. 

If....rember, I said if, both Widener and Del Val win out until their game and Widener wins, does Del Val get a pool C bid? I say probably because Del Val has been ranked all year and Widener would be a quality. 
Obviously, I am putting the cart before the horse here, but just out of curiosity.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 18, 2005, 03:01:57 PM
The Pool C Bid is not guaranteed for DelVal, if you remeber back only 3 years age. A one loss top ten Widener team (who had advanced deep into the playoffs each of the previous 2 seasons) was not given the Pool C bid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 18, 2005, 04:43:31 PM
Chum's right, though the chances at getting a Pool C bid are better for Del Val now than they were for Widener then simply because there are more C bids to be had.

We're starting to track the Pool C picture informally on the Daily Dose (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=118#comment-544) and will do so more formally as the site rolls along.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 18, 2005, 07:09:48 PM
Hey Chum Chum and Slik......

B4 worrying bout dvc and the playoffs yous guys should worry about  ur tough game on the road this week at kings(no easy task)

then u guys also have a tough salisbury team on ur sched which is also on the road(although not a conf game)

then coming up to face a tough dvc team which almost hasn't lost at home in like three years

one game at a time fellas..........
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 19, 2005, 09:47:56 AM
Wilkes SID
Please let me clear up my statement. Schmit played the first three series before he had to leave the game because of a torn hamstring suffered against Penn. This injury caused him to be out of action until the Moravian game. Prothro carried the ball one time before he left the game due to a seperated shoulder caused in an inter squad scrimmage during camp. Rock played the first half before leaving due to  soreness from a knee surgery. I should have used the word Healthy. My remarks were not intende to slight Wiles in anyway. They are a very goog football team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 19, 2005, 10:41:36 AM
I agree that the matchup between WU and DVC is a bit far off at this point.  We do have some tough road games coming up.

Hopefully there will be a big game in Chester at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2005, 10:59:37 AM
Former Wu:

If you mean the DVC/Widener game, it's in Doylestown again this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 19, 2005, 01:38:05 PM
remember I said IF they both win out

is homefield a big deal in this game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 19, 2005, 06:35:34 PM
Here's a scenario that I'd be interested in learning about the outcome:

I'm not sure how this works so if someone can enlighten me, I'd greatly appreciate it.  If Widener and DVC both finish out their seasons unbeaten, then coming into the final game Widener would have 1 loss.  If Widener would happen to beat DVC, giving them their first loss, both teams would be standing at a record of 9-1 overall and 8-1 conference.  Since they would both be standing with a single loss would they be co-Mac champs?  Who would move on to the playoffs?  How is it determined? 

Thanks for cluing in the clueless  :-\
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 19, 2005, 08:04:48 PM
4man,

I think WU would win based on a head-to-head tie-breaker scenario.  However, I may be wrong.

When it comes to the murkly world of D-III playoff selections I am never quite sure as there are things that happen in that process that rival the NCAA D-1 basketball tournament selection bordering on the unexplainable.

I welcome other posters' corrections if I erred.

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on October 19, 2005, 09:36:23 PM
Widner, should they run the table should win, due to the hear to head, and they schedueled an good team(Salisbury) out of conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2005, 11:04:23 PM
If previous experience is any indication, the MAC would declare DVC and Widener co-champs.  This last happened with Widener and King's shared the title in 2002.

The conference's AQ would go to Widener since they would have the tie-breaker advantage with a head-to-head victory.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 20, 2005, 08:37:59 AM
In the past the MAC would declare two champions and give the team that had not been to the playoffs for the longest period of time the automatic playoff bid. It is my understanding that they changed that rule after the Widener/Kings situation. The first tie breaker is now head to head. The Wu/ DVC situation will play itself out. However, it will get tricky if WU beats DVC and Wilkes continues to win out. Then we will have three teams with one conference loss that have lost to one another.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 20, 2005, 04:55:58 PM
Thank you for your input.  I hadn't even considered Wilkes in that scenario which sounds like that would make the situation even stickier.   I guess we'll all just have to wait another 4 weeks to see what the final outcome will be.  Good luck to all!   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 20, 2005, 07:34:40 PM
Sportsfans,
Unless The Football Gods prevail, no way Weidner defeats DVC when they meet in November.  DVC is a substantially better team than Weidner.  Weidner will not be able to stop DVC's O.  I say this not being a fan of either team.

Best of luck to the Dutchmen this Saturday.  My prediction, LVC 21 - LYCO 14.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 20, 2005, 09:37:06 PM
anything can happen at anytime, so there is always a chance for WU to beat DVC (that is why we actually play the game) but i frankly do not see that happening... Going to be another cold, wet weekend in annville, in lvc's favor.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 20, 2005, 11:26:34 PM
ok, here we go with Don's predictions for this week:

#8   DVC               35         Susquehanna    14
#34  Widener          28         King's              14
Albright                 42          FDU                14
Lycoming               35          LVC                14
Moravian                21          Wilkes            17
Franklin & Marsh.    28          Juniata           14

The Moravian / Wilkes matchup should be a tough game and Lycoming definitely has my vote after last week's upset.  Again, we'll be playing in the rain if weather predictions are accurate so be prepared for those mud games for teams playing on grass.  Good luck to all!!!   :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2005, 12:03:37 AM
In a rare turn of events, I actually have the recap of last week's Del Val-Albright game done and posted.  If you'd like to hear lots of highlights of Delaware Valley and Albright scoring, you can check that out here (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTM%3d-ZxcZI%2f2M1Lg%3d).

You can also here the Delaware Valley-Susquehanna game on Saturday starting with pregame at 1:00 PM and kickoff at 1:30 PM.  Catch all the fun at www.sportsjuice.com.

It'll be better than three greasy monkeys in a wheel barrow.  And you know how great that is.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 21, 2005, 11:57:38 AM
GGGGGGGOOOOOOO  AAAAGGGGGGGIIIIIEEEEESSSS!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 21, 2005, 04:02:10 PM
GO WU! Ruing Kings Homecoming, and stay on the fast track to a conference championship showdown with DVC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 01:04:31 PM
Go Warriors - Beat Dutchmen!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 01:32:49 PM
ughhh fumble to LVC . . . hold onto the ball lads.

Come on D!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 01:37:40 PM
touchdown LVC - PAT missed
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 01:55:39 PM
Fumble recovery - Lycoming's Murdoch returns it for a TD - PAT good - Lycoming leads 7-6!

Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:01:16 PM
Warriors no-huddle and driving as second quarter begins to run-down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:48:57 PM
LVC going 4th and 3 in Lyco territory . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:49:44 PM
Lyco stops them cold ball over to Warriors on downs on their own 29.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:50:36 PM
Smith pass to Brown gain of 8 yards to the 36
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:51:09 PM
Mangold to mid-field, Warrirors offense on the march . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:52:22 PM
Smith pass intercepted by LVC to 45
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:52:55 PM
Smith routinely over-throws his receivers - I bet his release point is too high.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:53:20 PM
Kelly incomplete and chased out of bounds
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:54:13 PM
Kelly tackled by Van Nort - gain of 5 - third and 5.  DLine doing its job.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:54:57 PM
At the end of 3rd quarter - Lycoming 7 - Lebanon Valley 6.  Field conditions sound awful.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:56:23 PM
Complete pass for LVC and a first down . . . on Lyco 46
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:57:29 PM
Incomplete pass after a short gain bringing up a 3rd and 8.  Crucial play for both teams - go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:58:14 PM
Smith of Lyco intercepts on account of red-dog that nearly overwhelmed Kelly.  Ball over to Warriors.  Way to go D.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 02:58:58 PM
Lycoming 1st down on ten yard pass play
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:00:18 PM
Gain of four yards by Brandon Traugh
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:00:47 PM
Another big run by Traugh - first down - sprung by a Mangold block in the flat
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:01:21 PM
Lycoming on 35 of LVC, second and 5, OLine moving them off the blocks and making holes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:01:55 PM
Traugh a yard short of first down on LVC 30
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:02:45 PM
Traugh gets to the 27 yard line on a toss and gets the first down
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:03:20 PM
Lycoming playing ball-control offense - fumble - recovered by Traugh
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:04:16 PM
Laky carries for two - bringing up a third and eight.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:05:06 PM
Incomplete pass - laundry on the field - appears to be pass interference
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:05:41 PM
Lycoming first down - ball at the 17 LVC yard line - on pass interference call.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:06:04 PM
Traugh carries to the ten yard line off right guard hole
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:06:53 PM
Toss left to Traugh - no-gain, third and three at 10
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:07:37 PM
Big play for both teams - play-action pass incomplete to Mangold.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:08:06 PM
Lyco going for it on pass attempt
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:08:38 PM
Smith keeps it and is swarmed over by D and held to no gain
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:09:17 PM
LVC ball with 6 minutes to play - successful completion and first down pass play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:10:09 PM
LVC on their own 22 yard line . . . I-formation - Kelly gives to Brennan for a draw and pick-up of about six . . . second and four.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:10:35 PM
Third and one - LVC no huddle offense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:11:04 PM
Flag on the play -
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:11:24 PM
Holding on LVC - another break for the Warriors
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:12:09 PM
LVC - third and 11 at the 21 . . . shotgun
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:12:45 PM
LVC pass incomplete - crowd livid for no-call by zebras.  Punt it away
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:13:45 PM
Helter skelter punt play - somewhat run and kick - ball to Lycoming on the 50 yard line.  Come on OLine - run the ball and the clock out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:14:14 PM
LVC has everyone up in the box daring Lycoming to pass the ball
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:14:34 PM
Second and ten with less than four minutes to go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:14:55 PM
Traugh gets to original line of scrimmage making it 3rd and ten.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:16:09 PM
Pass play complete for five yards . . . 4th and five.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:16:55 PM
Warriors line up for punt - caught on the 12 and returned to the 47 yard line and pushed out of bounds by the punter - whew.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:17:28 PM
Big pass play by LVC and complete to the 11 yard line of Lycoming.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:17:53 PM
2:39 in game -
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:18:17 PM
Brennan up the middle to the three or four . . . uggghhhhhh.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:18:50 PM
LVC has never beaten Lycoming College in football - that may change today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:19:21 PM
Third and one to go with 1:48 to play - if we ever needed a turnover it was now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:22:39 PM
Lycoming has the ball on their own 20
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:23:38 PM
Not sure what happened to LVC's ball as I had a child emergency and when I returned Lycoming had the ball on their own 20.  Perhaps an INT in the end-zone?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:24:01 PM
Smith keeps the ball and takes it to the 27 yard line with a minute to go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:25:29 PM
Fumble - Lycoming recovers . . . 4th down and 25 seconds to go - Lycoming does not have to run another play - talk about a squeaker!!!!! 

LYCOMING WINS TO PRESERVE THE STREAK

LYCOMING 7

LEBANON VALLEY 6
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bigdoggy on October 22, 2005, 03:25:45 PM
ne thing on widener kings
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:26:57 PM
Congrats to the Warriors!  

And crow to those who suggested Lycoming was dead - they may be in the ICU but their condition is not quite as grave as previously suggested.  

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2005, 03:28:48 PM
Missed field goal and ball went over to Lycoming - that explains the change of possession while I was parenting.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 22, 2005, 03:34:01 PM
Lyco,
Thanks for your updates, they were most appreciated.  Congratulations to the Warriors on their win, most deserved.  Congratulations to the Dutchmen for playing a heck of a game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 22, 2005, 04:29:01 PM
Good job Warriors!....3 more wins for a winning season and 250 for "G"....Finish Strong!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 22, 2005, 04:36:53 PM
Simba:

Yes, a very good job by the Warriors, especially since their offense couldn't score.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 22, 2005, 05:02:31 PM
Your absolutely correct Warren...We'll take a "W" any way we can get one these days, with (last week) or without (this week) an "O"... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 22, 2005, 05:12:08 PM
Absolutely, Simba, absolutely. A win is a win (to coin a cliche) ....

My heart goes out to the LVC defense: they shut out the Lyco offense only to lose the game on a fumble return. Such is life in the MAC.  :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 22, 2005, 05:12:27 PM
2 notes on the lyco win...1. The field was the worse that I've seen.  Someone mention it was ripped up by FDU/LVC, and then ripped up By LYCO.

2. The last punt that LVC returned to mid-field or so.  Lyco had full protection on, and the punt was kick to the middle of the field with not 1 Lyco player within 15 yards.  If you go full protection kick the ball towards the sideline,  not only that but the gunners (13,29,18 I think did well all day).

Great win...Let's win out and get "G" his 250th.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 22, 2005, 09:53:16 PM
King's does Del Val a big favor by beating Widener today.  The Aggies host John Ortiz and Co. next week but it won't count in conference for them.

At a glance, it looks like Del Val clinches the AQ if they beat Juniata.  They have a two game lead on everyone but Wilkes and the H2H advantage there.

I still bet the WU/Del Val game is fun, even if the conference crown isn't on the line.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 22, 2005, 10:15:55 PM
Lycoming wins two in a row and all their posters show up.  Never though Lycoming beating LVC would be that big a cause for celebration.  Of course I never thought DVC would win the MAC or Mount Union would lose a conference home game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 22, 2005, 10:36:54 PM
Not all splik....just the 30 year "frontrunners"... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 23, 2005, 08:39:12 AM
And hey, Spilk, I am in the military and not always around to boast about Lycoming's prowess - sometimes I am overseas where D3 post don't seem to matter as much as keeping your head down and hanging on.

Nice retort, Simba.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 23, 2005, 05:32:51 PM
the word frontrunners was not typed by me.  I just said you did not have much to say earlier when Lycoming was winless.  going 0 and whatever gives you no prowess to boast about Lyco80.  not that winning has kept me from posting, if my alma mater wins a game at all this season I will be ecstatic.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 23, 2005, 06:10:30 PM
Sure did have something to say when we lost...
Go back and read them...I congratulated all but one of the victors that beat us this year even offering to take the QB from one team who hails from the "land of running water" out for Yings and wings when he comes back home to the County...What factual point is it you're trying to make here splik?...or are you just trying to stir the kettle up a little?...The wetness from behind your ears is getting your shirt collar soaked!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 24, 2005, 08:59:40 AM
a big loss for widener this weekend....alot of things will have to happen for that last game against dvc to mean something.....ggggoooo aaagggiiiieeesssss!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 24, 2005, 09:14:14 AM


Gordon - I was not going to comment on the WU / Kings game until I read this comment from you.

Three Cheers: I doff my cap to Coach Rich Mannello of King's. Like cross town rival Wilkes, King's graduated a really good running back in Richard Jackson. QB Chris Barnic and the Monarchs, who endured an unreal string of tough loses, are now above .500 after likely ending Widener's title hopes.

Please do not tip your cap or commend to this man for any accomplishment. It is true that he had an excellent game plan in place for WU. However, his other actions on Saturday should not be commended and were disgraceful to all of football. I understand that you were not at the game and did not wittness some of these acts. I did, and left the field in shock at how the game was embarassing to everyone who holds football near to thier heart. Rich Mannello brought his team out after the half and gathered them on the near hash directly in front of the WU bench. He the proceeded to taunt the WU players with comments to his team while facing the pioneer players. He later refused to shake hands after the WU players had lined up on the 50 and started to walk out onto the field. He may be doing a fine job as far as the X's and O's are concerned but he is certianly lacking in other areas as a head coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 24, 2005, 09:19:26 AM
Wow - WUDLINE - it sure sounds like most of us missed something. 

Spilk - just want to say win or lose I am a proud alumnus of Lycoming College but it is hard to post on the D3 page when you are living in a tent in Africa, Iraq or Afghanistan.  It has nothing to do with Ws or Ls and everything to do with bandwidth and access to computers and webpages.

Please do not read more into this post than is intended.  I am happy for whoever's team is excelling and wish everyone nothing but good tidings.

Simba - you continuously make me smile - keep the posts coming!

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 24, 2005, 09:31:34 AM
Lyco 80-

I honestly feel that if these actions came from other teams in the MAC everyone would have gone crazy. Just like Kings did a few years ago when Ursinus refused to shake hands after an ECAC game. On a happier note. It is nice to see Lyco back winning again. I guess all of the Lyco/Coach G bashers will have to go away for another year. It is amazing how all of the sudden G remembered how to be a great Coach again. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on October 24, 2005, 09:43:58 AM
I think G is an average coach at best, but has done a great job with superior talent.  Now that his talent is gone, looks like you find out exactly how average he is..

If you want to see good coaching, go to schools that are building tradition, and winning games without everything that G has had at Lycoming... DVC, Albright, Moravian, etc.

Lycoming is done.  Put a fork in 'em.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 24, 2005, 10:19:21 AM
patron2-
It is tough to contribute all of the games Coach G has w over the years to superior talent. I have a feeling that he/coaching may have played a role in at least a few victories. However, if we simply go by your argument then his win over Ithica makes him truely a great coach. He beat the number 8th ranked team in the country with a less talanted team. It had to simply be his coaching that day. Wins and losses are not the only thing that makes a great coach. Coach G also has managed to act with class, he is well respected by both his current and past players, and recelenty has held his team together in some very trying times.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 24, 2005, 11:06:05 AM
well said WUDLINE
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 24, 2005, 12:25:31 PM
WUDLINE, Funny what you said about Manello from Kings.  After the Albright Kings game this season (Albright won on the last play) he displayed the same lack of sportsmanship.  I was in attendance for the game and from the endzone I actually heard him say "Get the F- over here dont shake their hands." as his players were on the field shaking hands.  Seems like he is a real class act.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on October 24, 2005, 12:26:31 PM
Sounds like a very exciting game this past Saturday between LVC and Lyco.  Congratulations to Lyco on the win.

This question is mostly directed to Warren or MOJO, but I would welcome insight from anyone with ideas.  It seems like every week there is a different leading rusher for LVC.  Does Coach Monos rotate running backs, keep switching starters, or have guys been getting injured?  More stability at that position may help correct fumbling problems.  As for the kicking situation, it doesn't seem right to pin the loss all on one player.  Football is a team game, and Lyco won the game as a team, while LVC lost the game as a team. That said, we do need to improve our kicking game for the future.  As evidenced on Saturday, making extra points is crucial.  Further, on the season we are 10/18 on extra point attempts, so this miss against Lyco was not a fluke.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bziadie on October 24, 2005, 12:54:32 PM
WULINE:

You are living in a fantasy world . A very nice inaccurate account of what happened.  After the game was over Mannello wanted to talk to the Widener coach and let things settle down before the teams shook hands. He asked the referee to relay that message to the offical on the far side and he unfortunately did not do so.  So when the game ended and Mannello had his players stay on the sideline, he began to walk on the field so he could talk to Wood. Wood then assumed King's did not want to shake hands and told the team to turn back to the locker room.

After the number of near brawls, the smart thing to do was to let things cool down.

And you forgot to mention at around the 4:00 mark left in the game during another altercation when 12 to 15 Widener players came flying off the sideline racing to get at King's players on the field, several going beyond the hash mark closest to the Widener sideline.

If Mannello chose to send that game film to the conference office for review, you might very well see a number of Widener's suspended for the next game for those actions.

After seeing that, why would Mannello not be concerned that something else might happen.

Sometimes descretion is the batter part of valor. Even had Wood turner around and not wanted to shake hands, it still would not have been a bad thing considering how things played out during the game. You can try to spin it any way you want but you do not know Mannello and how he runs his program.

And your claim Mannello led the taunting when the teams returned to the field for the second half?  Well the MAC Executive Director was at the game and had Mannello done something like that, he would be suspended or seriously reprimanded by the MAC for behaving like.......

If you ever want to know about Mannello's character, all you have to do is talk to Wilkes head coach Frank Sheptock and any number of their players.  Two years ago when Wilkes beat King's badly, Mannello walked over to the entire Wilkes team and congratulated them, telling them that they "kicked our asses".

To say Mannello is unsportsmanlike is ridiculous and any claim that he would have told his players not to shake hands after the Albright game, especially when it was a cleanly played game with none of the garbage from the Widener game happening, is a complete joke.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 24, 2005, 01:17:51 PM
Lyco80....I appreciate your posts but one thing...Just be safe over there...I am tired of reading and hearing of all the casualties! No need to lose anymore guys there. But that is a discussion for another day.

LVCALUM...I believe the LVC kicker is a freshman, if not I stand corrected....if he is then this tough year is just seasoning for him to accel in the next few years. He was in a tough, pressure situation Saturday that I have only read about on here. Next time he should come through just fine.


GO AGGIES!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 24, 2005, 01:40:18 PM
bz
You obviously most not have been watching the same game. I was standing at the gate and heard Kings taunting the WU players at the start of the half. The incident you are referring to at the four minute mark was the onsides kick. Numerous players from both sides came onto the field. Off setting penalties were called and the game moved on without any further incident.  Furthermore Wood lined up all of the WU players on the 50 to shake hands and was told by Manello no. I am not exactly sure what you are reffering to about the Albright game. I did not make any referrence to it, nor did I see it. Maybe this is a case of you seeing things a certian way because of the program you support.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 24, 2005, 03:25:09 PM
Lyco80,
I apologize for making it seem you're a fairweather friend, you have nothing but my respect for serving our country.  The three pages worth of play-by-play seemed a bit overboard. 
Simba,
My wet collar aside, you did seem much quieter when Lycoming did not have a winning streak.  if I were a kettle stirrer I could just say how much I hate them and how much they smell like poop or be like patron2.
But anyway....
I've never really seen any team in the MAC behave terribly, but when I was on the field the other team was usually too out of breath to do much talking.  Is there a team that deserves to  be called classless or dirty?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 24, 2005, 05:03:04 PM
Spilk,

Thanks for the post and I am proud to serve the USA, in fact, many Lycoming grads, including some superior MAC football athletes are currently wearing the nation's uniform, many in the USMC.

As for the running posts - I was receiving positive feedback and encouragement offline to keep them coming.  Additionally, Empire 8 is in the habit of doing the same thing and I got caught up in the excitement with last week's game with Ithaca on their board and it sort of carried over to this week's game.

And for anyone's information - Simba was a monster player at Lycoming and his words should never be taken lightly as he has a good heart and was a tremenduous football player.

Lastly, as for putting a fork in Lycoming - appreciate the other post comeback about noting the inconsistencies with either their talent being insufficient or their coaching being phenomenal in their upset win over IC.  Or maybe - it was on account of the IC Bombers just not being that good a team?  It has to be attributed to something.  IC is a worthy opponent and Lycoming played tough football.  Maybe it is the shoes? Lycoming is not done and neither is Coach G - they may just be catching their breath for their run up to 300 wins and beyond.

All the best. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 24, 2005, 08:17:30 PM
Lyco80, remember to keep your head and ass down and to wear your Kevlar cup.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 24, 2005, 08:23:40 PM
Hello Fellow Posters,
LVC's field goal / extra point kicker is a sophomore.  The running back situation at LVC appears to be a spread the wealth mentality.  Appears Coach Monas uses different kids for different situations.  Yes football is a team sport, you both win and lose as a team.  Improvement in LVC's kicking game will be required to get to the next level in the MAC.  Appears a little LYCO magic surfaced last Saturday afternoon.  A great win for the Warriors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 25, 2005, 12:33:18 PM
Mojo,

And in all fairness to the kicker for LVC, I heard the field was in pretty rough condition - from the streaming coverage guys.

Tough way to lose or win a game.

And to all the guys who wish me safety - kevlar cup  notwithstanding - many thanks.

Despite what you read - we do have them on the run - everywhere in the world.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 25, 2005, 02:48:38 PM
Lyco80

Hang in there Bud
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 25, 2005, 02:55:42 PM
lyco good luck

as for the lvc game, the field was more than a mess, it was total slop, and might be beyond repair.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 25, 2005, 03:07:22 PM
Arnold Field was in very bad shape, even before Saturday. It was first torn up during the FDU game, 08 October. It's been raining hereabouts, at times heavily, since last night; this, no doubt, will make it even worse.

Fortunately, it won't be played on till the Albright game, 12 November. I'll check it out when I'm on campus tomorrow. [In the meantime, it's not wise to make any weather-related jokes within hearing range of the grounds crew.  ;)]
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 25, 2005, 03:20:07 PM
Can anyone in here speak with any knowledge about Susquehanna?

My understanding was that they had a program that generally put them in the top 3-4 of the conference until the last couple of years.  Is the program just struggling through a tough few years, or is there something more structural to their lack of success in recent years?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 25, 2005, 05:39:14 PM
Lyco-
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 25, 2005, 05:43:45 PM
lyco80-  Sorry hit enter on last entry and didn't post anything ...  just wanted to say be careful godspeed...I'm not a mac graduate(my son attends lyco) But I serve 10 years in 11B (infantry), your service is very much appreciated. Airborne!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Winston on October 25, 2005, 08:49:43 PM
I was at the Kings Widener game and thought it was terrible. I have to say that the widener team came on the field hooting and howling and taunting the kings players. It was an awful display of sportsmanship.
The game was dirty and I am not talking about the field conditions, which by the way the coach from Widener blamed their loss on. The coach from widener displayed unsportsmanship conduct after an on side kick that did not do his way. The last I heard, the ball had to go ten yards. It did not. I filmed the game and can verify that fact. The Widener players began throwing punches at this point and the widener did nothing to stop it. He was on the field (I thought that was also not allowed) with two other coaches from his team screaming and yelling and cursing.
e had  a bad attitude from the beginning because they were losing badly.
Manello was smart to wait to shake. We all held our breath because we thought there was going to be a brawl out there.
I will agree that the refs were not the greatest but it happens. It had nothing to do with the end result. Kings outplayed Widener.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 26, 2005, 12:58:39 AM
Thank You Winston,
  It had nothing to do with the end result. Kings outplayed Widener.

As soon as some teams lose in the MAC everyone wants to make an excuse
(Academics-Bad Fields-Good and Bad Coaches-Facilities) and whatever else

How bout ur team just got out played!!!!

Hey Widener fans look like you guys spoke to sooooon-lol- I love it

Hey ever think Wideners frustration got the best of them???
With all that pressure u guys put on them about the big showdown in doylestown.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 26, 2005, 08:07:00 AM
Boy did I miss some things this week...

The last few years WU always seems to shoot themselves in the foot by losing a few tough games they could win...

Bossman

Appreciate the taunt, but that wasn't all of us...if you recall, I stated we should "wait and see" with this WU team (but I guess that wouldn't look as good in you post huh....)

Lyco 80  stay safe and thanks...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 26, 2005, 10:20:48 AM
Congrats to DelVal on all of their success. But to have them ranked ahead of Mount Union is an absolute joke, it really is. They are on an entirely different level, and for them to drop to 9th is a slap in the face.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 26, 2005, 12:18:58 PM
chum slam what poll are you referring to? i have looked at dIII.com and don hansen's and in both polls dvc is ranked behind mount union..... ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 26, 2005, 12:26:02 PM
Front page of this site, right hand side in red.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 26, 2005, 01:31:13 PM
AFCA Coachs poll.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 26, 2005, 01:37:13 PM
Pursuant to the Susquehanna issue, per sources close to the program, they need drastic improvement at the QB position.  In my mind the one kid that could make a difference in that program, has been injured the last two seasons.  I am amazed that even in a D3 program, every school would not have a reasonably proficient QB and backups.  I also make that statement concerning extra point kickers.  Albeit, D3 football, but college football non the less.  Hope I havn't offended anyone here, but if you wanna be a lumberjack, you better be able to hold up your end of the log.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 26, 2005, 03:22:12 PM
MOJO:

In a year or two, the MAC room will find most discussions about Susquehanna irrelevant. By that time, the Crusaders be the Liberty League's "problem," as it were.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 26, 2005, 03:23:43 PM
Warren,

  Actually I was asking about Susquehanna as a LL school alum?  I had heard that they used to have a decent program but have struggled the last few years.

  I am trying to see if there is much of an improvement for the strength of the conference by, in effect, swapping Coast Guard for Susquehanna.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 'gro on October 26, 2005, 03:33:31 PM
The real question is does Susquehanna have posters that can hang with the studs in the LL board?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 26, 2005, 03:37:38 PM
I'm pretty sure the answer is no. 

Do they at least have a stupid mascot that makes hobart's look good?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 26, 2005, 08:10:08 PM
Well, well, it appears as if all the chatter about who is jumping ship from the MAC was right after all.  Juniata and Moravian to the Centennial and Susquehanna to Liberty.  I am curious as to what my fellow posters think about this development.

Will this move signal a desertion from the MAC in other sports?  Is this truly about wins and losses, or is something else afoot?  I am most surprised by Susquehanna's move as it forces their non-scholarship student-athletes into a much more rigorous travel situation - something that, at least on the surface, seems to be in contradiction to the lofty academic pursuits they like to claim for themselves.

I find the whole thing a bit amusing - this notion that one MAC school is somehow more virtuous than others - whether it is in regard to athletics, academics or facilities.  All this posturing strikes me as marketing and business and makes me wonder if other business concerns are at work such as assets and liabilities.  In other words, are these schools using a conference shift as a cosmetic makeover to address other concerns?

Make no mistake about it - higher education postures itself as a lofty pursuit - but in the end - it is as much a business as General Motors or General Dynamics with a product and a consumer.  It will be interesting to see what transpires in the next decade or so.  By the way, can anybody tell me whatever became of Upsala?????

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on October 26, 2005, 11:27:10 PM
While I assume your query about Upsala was rhetorical, nonetheless half the college is now East Orange Campus High School, and the other was leveled to build a housing project. If you want to see it one last time rent the 2001 film "Riding in Cars with Boys" with James Woods and Drew Barrymore – it was filmed on the empty campus.

...and I vote for TCNJ to join the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on October 27, 2005, 01:43:57 AM
Thanks for the coast to coast support of D3 All American Quarterback Brett Elliot.  The candidate has received over 1,000 votes since being nominated for the Heisman.  The vote total puts Elliot in 7th place out of 41 candidates.  Thanks to all who have cast their ballots in support of a D3 candidate.  If you have not yet voted you may cast your ballot at www.voteforheisman.com
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 27, 2005, 07:42:11 AM
Phil:

On behalf of LVC and the remnants of the MAC, I hereby accept your vote. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2005, 12:55:19 PM
Not that it's a huge deal, but it looks like the MAC would have to amend its bylaws for TCNJ to join.  Right now the bylaws indicate members must be "private colleges."

On another note, the Doylestown Intelligencerdid a great story on Del Val QB Adam Knoblauch.  It's a very good story about his unique journey.

You can read that here (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-10272005-561139.html)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 27, 2005, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: ktroutvon on October 26, 2005, 03:37:38 PM
I'm pretty sure the answer is no. 

Do they at least have a stupid mascot that makes hobart's look good?

There is no stupid mascot that could make the Hobart stupid mascot look good.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 27, 2005, 01:37:33 PM
Well then why are we taking them?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 27, 2005, 02:16:04 PM
Knightstalker

What is Hobarts mascot??


Gordo....The Philadelphis Daily News also did a nice article for Knoblauch
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 27, 2005, 02:28:56 PM
Here is the Hobart  Mascot  (http://www.hws.edu/news/sports/showrelease.asp?id=2594)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 27, 2005, 02:30:10 PM
Gordon:

Given the recent defections, perhaps the MAC Bonzen might look favorably on the addition of an academically and athletically sound venue such as TCNJ.

[If laws are meant to be broken, then by-laws are meant to be revised.  ;)]
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 27, 2005, 04:03:51 PM
a very nice and classy quote from coach G about knoblauch in the article. i dont know when we will see the likes of him again he certainly can do it all and most important lead a team
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2005, 04:20:07 PM
Warren:

Works for me.  A good school, nice facilities, a short drive. Check, check and check. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 27, 2005, 04:22:17 PM
it looks like Susquehanna will have to play with another BRIGHT orange team.  looks like coaches in the MAC will have to start looking for non-conference games.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 27, 2005, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 27, 2005, 12:55:19 PM
Not that it's a huge deal, but it looks like the MAC would have to amend its bylaws for TCNJ to join.  Right now the bylaws indicate members must be "private colleges."

On another note, the Doylestown Intelligencerdid a great story on Del Val QB Adam Knoblauch.  It's a very good story about his unique journey.

You can read that here (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-10272005-561139.html)

Gordon...

Now everyone knows where "the land of running water" is and what Yings & Wings mean... :) ...Well almost everyone...Nice of you to share the most recent story with the "board members" on what we in Schuylkill County knew for some time...A great story about a great kid with a great coal-region work ethic...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 27, 2005, 08:21:15 PM
Trenton State aka TCNJ in the MAC?  Cats and Dogs living together?  Can anyone tell me the real whereabouts of Daniel Simpson Day? 

But seriously, I do appreciate the Upsala answer.  And yes the question was purely rhetorical.  One wonders if we shall have similar anecdotes for Juniata in the future too.

Additionally, can any of you starters with a gazillion posts show me where the Centennial League posts their observations? 

I cannot seem to find them anywhere on here.

And, I am still hoping some of you will opine in regards to the "abandon hope all ye who enter here" approach to the MAC of the three programs exiting.  Are we to believe this is really about football?  Or is this merely a ploy by their leadership to attempt to market their schools in ways different than before to address other fiscal matters?  Just wondering what their enrollment, endowment, etc is for the schools' in question and what the future bodes. 

Upsala played some competitive football against Lycoming and others back when they were operational. 

Just wondering MAC posters . . .  Any thoughts?

All the best.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 27, 2005, 09:02:11 PM
Lyco80...

I believe their leadership all feel that the move will improve their rankings in next year's US News & World Report...After all, that's what they're seeking, a level playing field right?....Seems to them that all the fields other than their own have a huge crown running down the middle of them in the MAC...Even the new next-turf field at Albright!...I guess they are just tired of tripping over those crowns every year... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2005, 10:12:19 PM
Lyco80:

You'll find the Centennial Conference's message board under South Region Teams and Conferences.  Despite the geographical proximity, the MAC and CC are in different regions.

And from my conversations with people at Susquehanna, their move is motivated by the football program's strategy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 27, 2005, 11:23:33 PM
The 3 MAC teams leaving are leaving primarily because of academics. It's no secret that Presidents want to associate with schools of other "similar missions"...
I too am surprised by Sus's choice of the Liberty League. For a school that preaches academics - yet is denied by the "academic" Centennial - I can't believe they are going to create a situation where their football team will have a least 4 overnights a year. That's a lot of missed class time on Fridays.
What will be even more interesting is what this all does to the league. Remember, there's more than just football.
Since the MAC will not let the 3 defectors remain in the league for their other sports, what do they do about that?
Do they all work together to find a new conference, with say - Drew, E-town, Messiah, and 2 more schools? What then happens to the MAC?
Is everyone else going to let all this posturing take place? When the music stops playing, I'm sure a few other MAC schools don't want to be left standing with the remaining MAC members...The next few months will determine if there even is a MAC next year.
Phil - I'd love to see CNJ in the conference. However, I think you've got a better chance of seeing bigfoot.
In addition to what Gordon posted, wouldn't CNJ also need state of NJ permission? Also, while the academics more than match up - no private school that's not in the NESCAC would ever even think of slugging it out for student-athletes with CNJ. I can picture this recruiting trip at say, Lycoming. "So coach G, why should I come to Lyco again?"
- Because you'll get a great education and a change to compete for a conf. title and playoffs"
"Yeah, but coach G, CNJ's facilities(overall) blow yours away, their school is of higher academic prestige and they cost less than half of what Lyco does!"
Obviously, this applies to all of the MAC schools, not just Lyco.
Phil, all you need to do is get them to raise tuition another 10K and then maybe the MAC will consider it :)

Have a great weekend everyone. No injuries!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 27, 2005, 11:53:12 PM
ok.  I'm a little confused here.  Why would the D3 top 25 have the following:

#4 - Rowan
#8 - Delaware Valley
#23 - Hobart

but then in the regional rankings:

1 - Rowan
2 - Hobart
3 - Delaware Valley

What am I missing here?  Why would Del Val be ranked so high nationally but then not be ranked 2nd in regional rankings ahead of Hobart?   ??? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 12:43:14 AM
Just happened to blog about that:
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=130
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on October 28, 2005, 08:33:16 AM
Knightstalker

The Hobart mascot seems ok as far as mascots go...Have you ever layed eyes on the Aggie Mascot??? It is right there also.

GO AGGIES!!!!

AGGIES   24     Kings  17
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on October 28, 2005, 10:48:19 AM
Bill,
Of course I'm dreaming, but I think TCNJ is a far better fit athletically and academically with MAC schools rather than schools like Montclair (they plan to have 18,000 by 2008) and Kean (12,000 students).

The costs for out of state students to attend TCNJ are about $5,000 less than tuition, room and board at Lyco – but 80% of Lyco students receive financial aid. Lyco's roster has about 100 student athletes from Pennsylvania and 7 from New Jersey. TCNJ has 72 student athletes from New Jersey and ZERO from Pennsylvania (Lyco has 40 more kids on their roster). Given these statistics and the difficult admission policies at TCNJ (1300 everage SAT and 48% acceptance rate), I doubt that the addition of TCNJ to the MAC would cause much in the way of recruiting problems.

I also think that the NJAC schools have the autonomy to make any decisions they choose about conference affiliation. NJCU tried to leave the NJAC for the NY-based Skyline conference a couple years ago. Of course, they made the brilliant move of officially leaving the NJAC before they secured a spot in the Skyline (the Skyline told them to go scratch), and were left to play as an independent in all sports before regaining NJAC admission this season.

C'mon, it makes sense – and they have a nice mascot!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 28, 2005, 12:14:21 PM
nationally hobart is a little underrated.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 28, 2005, 01:09:05 PM
Nationally Hobart hasn't done very much.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 01:27:22 PM
They got beat as badly as Delaware Valley and have 3 playoff appearances in the last five years. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 02:47:06 PM
Yet Delaware Valley has a playoff win against a team not from the NEFC on its resume.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 02:47:59 PM
Oops, sorry, two wins.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 'gro on October 28, 2005, 02:49:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 02:47:06 PM
Yet Delaware Valley has a playoff win against a team not from the NEFC on its resume.

In the LL that's when we declare 'oh snap!'. Don't worry Hobart fans, your time will come.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 02:54:15 PM
They've only gotten NEFC schools and the eventual regional champs each time.  Widener, JCU and Rowan.  I'm still waiting to get to see them play a CC, MAC or AFCA school in the playoffs.  I don't see where it made sense to have Hobart playing NEFC schools those two years.  They weren't the best team in the region and shouldn't have been playing the worst. 

My point was simpmly that Delaware Valley hasn't done anything nationally either.  Hobart has beaten Ithaca two of the last 4 times they played in this millenium.  That's as good as a  win over Muhlenberg or SJF.  Somehow, though, DelValley is in the top 10.  The MAC has probably been traditionally stronger than the LL teams, but they aren't in a position to draw a Pool C this year (and I don't think the scheduling has that much to do with it).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 28, 2005, 02:56:13 PM
2-3 in the last 5 years in the dance, yea real good.

Ktroutvon - Del Val had more wins in the playoffs in one year than Hobart has in 5.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 03:03:11 PM
Who said it was real good.  It's a start.  Del Valley had two playoff wins last year.  Shenandoah and SJF, both close games. 

They have had two good years.  There is an inherent inconsistency to some programs getting the benefit of the doubt based on past reputation (Ithaca and to some extent, Union as examples) while other programs that come out of nowhere are also given that same benefit of the doubt (DelValley & SJF for example).  Which one is it going to be? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 03:05:25 PM
I still haven't said that Hobart has done anything nationally.  They have however been in the playoffs prior to being in a pool A conference.  They have basically been horrible for the first 90-95 years of their existence.  The only other decent year they had was in 1993 when they were invited to the NCAA's but declined due to being in trimesters and having finals interfere.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 03:12:30 PM
Quote from: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 03:03:11 PM
Who said it was real good.  It's a start.  Del Valley had two playoff wins last year.  Shenandoah and SJF, both close games. 

They have had two good years.  There is an inherent inconsistency to some programs getting the benefit of the doubt based on past reputation (Ithaca and to some extent, Union as examples) while other programs that come out of nowhere are also given that same benefit of the doubt (DelValley & SJF for example).  Which one is it going to be? 

An objective observer would point out that Delaware Valley and St. John Fisher won playoff games against non-NEFC teams (or non-IBFC teams, if talking about a Midwest team).

Plus St. John Fisher plays and beats Brockport State, and has actually played Ithaca in the past two years. You talk about Ithaca but haven't beaten them since 2002. Fisher beat them last year and took them to overtime on the road this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 03:26:33 PM
Which would take us back to the fact that Hobart hasn't had an opportunity to play mid-level teams in the playoffs.  Its either NEFC or the regional champ.  While I am biased a (as opposed to anyone else here), I feel pretty confident in saying that Hobart would've been fine against Shenandoah or Muhlenberg.  Do they get the benefit of the doubt because the NCAA's have created the region the way that they did (regarding last year since that is all we're now talking about) over teams that don't get that opportunity?

As far as scheduling in the regular season, there isn't a single person involved with this site who has any influence over how AD's budget or handle scheduling.  I've said before, when I played we had ten games.  Dickinson (who was decent), F&M, Union, RPI, Ithaca, U of R, SJF, Hartwick, SLU and Alfred.  If we played that schedule today we'd be fine.  Instead of IC, SJF and AU it's WPI, CGA and KP with no 10th game.  I don't know why its changed and I doubt anyone here can say give a exact answer on it. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 28, 2005, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 27, 2005, 08:21:15 PM
But seriously, I do appreciate the Upsala answer.  And yes the question was purely rhetorical.  One wonders if we shall have similar anecdotes for Juniata in the future too.

So because Juniata does not have as strong a football traditiion as Lycoming they are going to go out of business?  I think their strong academic tradition is what prompted this move and what is will probably keep the doors open.

I am disappointed they are mocing to the CC, but it is a league in which they fit better than the MAC.  It seems there are too many schools in the MAC, including E-town, Messiah, and Drew, to ever disband the conference.  However, if the football conference were to disband, joining a totally different conference may work out best rather than being a 'football-only member' of another. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 28, 2005, 05:24:43 PM
To Phil,

90% of Lycoming students receive some form of financial aid - I know I am on the alumni board and this word is from President Douthat.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2005, 06:07:48 PM
Quote from: ktroutvon on October 28, 2005, 03:26:33 PM
Instead of IC, SJF and AU it's WPI, CGA and KP with no 10th game.  I don't know why its changed and I doubt anyone here can say give a exact answer on it. 

Well, I can't tell you why Hobart doesn't want to give its student-athletes the most games it's allowed to, but obviously you're playing WPI, CGA and KP because you are requred to. They're conference teams. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 28, 2005, 07:58:35 PM
splik

I see your point about teams leaving the MAC, but think of it this way:
If schools want to be with others of like minded academic missions, why wouldn't quality academic schools like Drew, Messiah, and E-town join with Juniata, Moravian, and Susquehanna band together to form a conference (without football, of course)? Then, they could get 2 other quality schools, like a Stevens (for example) and have the NCAA AQ for all of their other sports....
You'd have a very competitive academic conference...
Oh well. We'll see what happens soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 28, 2005, 08:17:30 PM
Programming note...

Delaware Valley battles the King's College Monarchs, fresh off their upset of Widener last week.

Catch the action at www.sportsjuice.com starting with pregame at 12:30 and kickoff at 1 PM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on October 28, 2005, 08:30:51 PM
If the regional rankings "Bart#2, DVC#3 stay, then both teams will meet in the regional semis.  The NCAA, as stated, goes by record only when seeding many teams.  Why Hobart is over DVC is beyond me, unless they figure that the win over RPI( another ranked region team) is better than any DVC win to date. 

My question would be DVC was ranked #2 last year(East) what has changed?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 28, 2005, 09:58:15 PM
youu have a point bill
if you mean joining a conference and ending the football program, I doubt that would happen.  Moravian and Susquehanna have been competitive too recently to ever do that.  Juniata has enough football alumni (aka Chuck Knox, who donated $1 million recently) to prevent that from happening, hopefully.  I think it helps that there is a conference claiming "academic superiority" in close geographic proximity, especially in the case of Moravian whose biggest rival is in the CC. 

You're also right, we'll all just wait and see in 2007 and beyond. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 28, 2005, 10:16:00 PM
From what I hear (from a person who's close to the scene), further defections from the MAC can't be ruled out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2005, 02:17:59 AM
The audio highlight reel of last weekend's Delaware Valley-Susquehanna game (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTM%3d-ZxcZI%2f2M1Lg%3d) is posted for those who are interested.

Also, don't forget that Del Val will have a BIG test with King's in town tomorrow.  The Monarchs have some very impressive numbers and are a desparation pass loss to Albright away from being right in the hunt for the title.

The game will be at www.sportsjuice.com starting at 1 PM.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 29, 2005, 11:28:03 AM
Ok it's true...I plan on defecting from the MAC :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 29, 2005, 11:35:32 AM
bman:

Aha! Defecting from the MAC, are you? Doubtless to form an all-Amish athletic conference (likely name: "The Horse-and-Buggy League") ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 29, 2005, 11:52:53 AM
That would be an interesting game to call...

Stoltzfus back to pass...he connects with...well um...Stoltzfus, and he goes for 4 yards before being tackled by ...Stoltzfus...and I think Lapp got an assist there....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 29, 2005, 12:58:52 PM
bman:

And the leading coach in such a league likely would be named Othmar Huehnerschuetz ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rowdy Rowdy Bomber on October 29, 2005, 02:15:54 PM
lycoming score?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2005, 02:21:01 PM
Lyco up 7-3 in first half
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 02:35:21 PM
Lycoming up 10-6 at the half.  Lycoming dominating play with 22 minutes of possession to Moravian's 8.  Moravian has only thirteen yards rushing in the first half.

C'mon Lyco - post some points - make the time count.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninyellowhat on October 29, 2005, 02:38:25 PM
Wow.  It's frustrating to control possession that much but keep the other team in the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 02:49:49 PM
Lycoming roughing the passer wipes out an INT and Moravian keeps the ball.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 02:58:01 PM
Moravian up 13-10, drive sustained by roughing the passer penalty and pass interference totaling 30 yards for the Greyhounds.

Ball to Lycoming . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:01:42 PM
3rd and 15 and big pass play to Brown for a first down . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:06:00 PM
Lycoming punt to the Moravian 8 yd line.

Let's Go Defense - turnover time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:27:50 PM
Kings 19 - Del Val 21

Lycoming's Laky to the 4yd line . . . first and goal Lyco
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:28:29 PM
56 yard pick-up . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:44:01 PM
Lycoming scores to take the lead 17-13.

Moravian turns ball over on downs.

Time for some ball-control with 8 minutes it the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninyellowhat on October 29, 2005, 03:45:12 PM
Any more word from Del Val?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 29, 2005, 03:47:48 PM
looks like widener took out their frustration on Juniata this weekend. 
sounds like Moravian-Lycoming is a good game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:50:32 PM
Ball on Lycoming 35 yd line - Greyhounds with great field position.

Warrior magic may be needed again - INTERCEPTION!!!!!! Touchback.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:51:09 PM
Zebras rule ball on ground at 3 despite one official ruling touchback.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:53:21 PM
Mangold picks up a big first down - less than 5 minutes to go . . . tick, tick, tick.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:58:16 PM
Moravian out of time outs - Lycoming ball 2nd and 8.  3:12 to play - 3rd and 8 to go, Smith tackled short of marker.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 03:59:28 PM
2:19 on Lycoming 49 yd line - Moravian ball

Time for Warrior D!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 04:03:02 PM
Moravian at the 11 yd line - pass incomplete into the endzone.

Pass the pepto-bismol.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 04:03:36 PM
Red Dog results in an incomplete pass . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 04:04:04 PM
3rd down pass incomplete - 4th and ten
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 04:04:55 PM
Tight end catches the ball but short of five yard line and short of the first down.  Ball over on downs to the Warriors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 29, 2005, 04:07:17 PM
Lycoming gains two yards bringing up a 2nd and 8, Smith kneels down, clock continues to run, 33 seconds to go, Smith takes another knee.

Warriors Win to get to .500

That fork must not be either very deep or very sharp.  They appear to have some life in them after all.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 29, 2005, 08:10:46 PM
My thoughts on today's trip to "Billtown"...
The sun came out around 11am & the foliage throughout the day was truely a Kodak moment...
The Zebra's were terrible for both teams today to the extent that you were looking for a flag on every play...
Fans on both sides were screaming "Let them play!"...
The tailgate parties along the fence were numerous and very sociable and Yuengling still looks to be the #1 choice...
As a matter of fact, Dick Yuengling will be returning to Lyco Weds Nov 16th, 7pm at the Heim Auditorium to be the featured speaker of a nationally sponsored business lecture series (saw the advertisement on a b-board in the SUB after the game)...
Lyco's defense made the plays when they had to and especially at the end when the game was on the line...
Lyco's O-line was good protecting the QB but run blocking still needs to improve...
Lyco's Soph QB Glen Smith is a gritty, hard nosed player who is going to be a MAC leader in '06 & '07...
He can run & pass and you can see him making better decisions every week as the season progresses...
Both teams showed the utmost respect for each other during the game...Good sportsmanship examples could be seen throughout the contest and especially at the end....Simba


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 30, 2005, 01:33:51 AM
Any reports on Carmon from Del Val....He left the game right before half...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ullneverknow on October 30, 2005, 02:15:49 AM
big win by lyco today
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2005, 02:20:08 AM
I'm sure he appreciates the vote of confidence (regardless of how you think he spells his name), but he probably doesn't want you posting. But who am I to Judge?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: macfan762 on October 30, 2005, 08:20:26 AM
On the Moravian/Lyco game.  The officials were probably the worst collection of incompetent individuals ever to put on stripes.  24 penalties for well over 200 yards.  The game moved at a snails pace and both teams were affected by it.  Bad calls, no calls, holdings, overly-sensitive unsportsmanlike's on both sides and others that could have been called from 1,000 yards away, an ineligible receiver downfield that negated a touchdown. 

For the good of the game, this crew should be disbanded and prevented from ruining the sport.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2005, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: ullneverknow on October 30, 2005, 02:15:49 AM
big win by lyco today

« Last Edit: Today at 02:22:14 AM by ullneverknow »

The freshman tried to eliminate his freshman mistake by editing his post after I commented on it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on October 30, 2005, 11:02:11 AM
ok
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 30, 2005, 04:11:07 PM
Posters,
Nice to see those Warriors winning.  No, not the LYCO of the past where they would blow teams out, but give these kids credit, there finding ways to win.  As an ex Warrior, and having a son that played for Coach G for one season, prior to transferring to LVC, be assured that Coach G is still at the top of his game and a class act.  Keep the faith Warrior fans.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2005, 11:49:36 AM
congrats to aggies another win as they march onward!!! this week a tough opponent in widener!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on October 31, 2005, 12:07:43 PM
Dude check your schedule.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2005, 12:33:08 PM
oops meant in 2 weeks...this week i would be more than surprised if juniata puts of much of a fight. Latest info on carmon i saw was a dislocated shoulder out a number of weeks no eta officially on when he will return yet. mangus said initially they play him in spots when he comes back
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on November 01, 2005, 03:16:49 PM
upbrmeasap
let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.  I'm not pedicting DVC to lose, but nobody thought the kid with the slingshot could knock that Goliath guy out either. 
If DVC were to lose out the season, however unlikely, who is the next most likely to go to the playoffs? 
My guess is Wilkes, but they have their rivalry game with a tough opponent at the end of the year.  Of course none of it really matters if DVC does as expected. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 01, 2005, 04:18:47 PM
lol... good stuff splik.....i think knoblauch gets the record this weekend and an impressive record it is 10000/1000
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on November 02, 2005, 08:52:09 AM
just wishful thinking....
at least my team is smarter than your team!   :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 02, 2005, 10:45:35 AM
LOL!!  oh yeah well our wrestling team can whallop your wrestling team take that you brains!!! muscle is better than brains any day of the weak... ;)     (yes i know i spelled weak wrong i.e. week)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on November 02, 2005, 11:19:22 AM
you spelled wallop wrong too! 
if DVC wraps up the MAC this weekend, is everybody else trying out for an ECAC game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 02, 2005, 01:46:15 PM
was typing quick ....i think so not sure who the contenders would be for ecac...widener and what others?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 02, 2005, 04:44:38 PM
ECAC is a joke, I hope Widener does not accept an invite.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 02, 2005, 04:47:32 PM
yeah i remember the good ol'days when we got the shaft in 2002.  being 9-1 and ranked 9th in the country is just  not good enough to get in the playoffs.  well atleast they they saved some room for some 6-4 and 7-3 unranked teams.  hopefully the 4 extra pool c bids will help the better teams in d3. if widener can run the table for the next 2 weeks maybe the panel will be more generous this time around

get the top teams in!!! ;//
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 02, 2005, 05:12:40 PM
Chum:

Consider that the ECAC playoffs are a "joke" for everyone except the players participating in them. Post-season play of any sort is valuable experience, I'd think.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 02, 2005, 05:24:04 PM
Agreed.  Additionally, for many players, seniors, those who may find themselves with severe injuries in the next season, an ECAC playoff may be their last hurrah.  Playing is playing and for all athletes, particularly D3, the final gun sounds soon enough.  I say - play on if at all possible and enjoy the sport while you are able because you get old way too soon.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 02, 2005, 05:51:07 PM
Well said, Lyco80. And for those players who'll return the following season, the ECACs provide excellent learning experience v. teams they don't ordinarily play. I suspect D3 regions beyond the ECAC often wish they had something similar.

To put it another way, some post-season play, even if it's not the NCAAs, is infinitely better than no post-season play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 02, 2005, 05:54:53 PM
sounds like someone has a grudge.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 02, 2005, 09:50:09 PM
I agree with Lyco80 and Mr. Thompson, a ECAC bowl game is very important to a program...if u look back the year Kings won the MAC title.. the year b4 they won a ECAC game and just like DVC.... they won the MAC after winning  a ECAC game.....

Any extra games is important.....

By the way it is a very long shot for Widener to get a Pool C bid.....sorry to say not this year....

By the way speaking of Widener what has happen since their glory days...????
Zwann leaving ???? Coach Wood??? the players themselves??? or academics???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 03, 2005, 01:25:58 AM
i agree to some point that the ecac game is effective for a program in most situations, usually for a team on the rise like del val and kings were b4 they won the mac crown; however, i dont think any player or coach from wideners 2002 team cared about the ecac bid that was turned down.

wideners glory days are not the same the past few years bc they dont have the same athletes esp. ones like jones, colman, quarter backs, decent line and a solid defense.  not to say that widener dosent have the above now, its just that thier superstars are young. i believe if thier is sombody who can fill lomas's shoes next year they should be a playoff team. 

zwaan is a great coach  that brought in great talant, wood is also a great coach that brought in great talent that needs another year to grow. 

if widener wins out and does not get a bid 2 the dance,  an ecasc game would be very good for thier program and its future











Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 03, 2005, 09:16:55 AM
ECAC games are the NIT Tournaments of football. They are for teams not good enough to get into the playoffs. Only the best will do. I was on that 9-1 2002 Widener team and we got the shaft. Coach Zwaan turned down the ECAC because it was a slap in the face.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on November 03, 2005, 09:25:05 AM
What type of offensive team does Widener have?  It seems like they were balanced in the win aganist Juniata. 

It should be an interesting game this weekend at Salisbury since both teams come into the game with two losses, and any chance of post season chances are "riding" running the table on the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 03, 2005, 09:33:59 AM
Its official Orihel needs surgery, he's done for the year.   Now it gets interesting.  How far can they go?  As it stands (with no lineup changes), I think they can take the East region.

Thought this might spark some interesting conversation. Previously I had heard Orihel was only going to be out 4 weeks. That's a shame for him.

Good luck to the Aggies this week as they can wrap up the MAC and their bid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 03, 2005, 09:34:44 AM
Chum:

Don't generalize on the basis of one unhappy experience. A 9-1 Pioneer team may have been "shafted," but the ECAC offer can hardly be seen as a "slap in the face." Any slaps received originated from Indianapolis.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: swimma on November 03, 2005, 10:22:27 AM
chum

its interesting about your view of the NIT....check this out might suprise you http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/nit.html

a game is a game and should be taken as an opportunity i understand the 2002 Widener decline as a matter of principle but this years team isnt quite what the 2002 team was....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 03, 2005, 02:08:58 PM
I understand your point of view, but for myself and my teammates second best is not good enough.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 03, 2005, 02:52:34 PM
Wonderful article about Adam Knoblauch on the front page!

Way to go Adam!  Good luck on Saturday!


Go Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 03, 2005, 03:03:15 PM
I have to agree with Chum here...Although not connected to the team(with no inside info)...) I was glad that we did not accept that ECAC bid.

Also I was not aware that Zwaan made that decision...I always thought it was a school decision...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 03, 2005, 03:20:21 PM
Ultimately it came down to us. We said no. Therefore Zwaan said no, Great coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 03, 2005, 07:49:17 PM
Hey Chum Chum,
was that ur senior year?

If so, any football player i know or myself for that much would do anything to play another game...ecac or whatever it was......

I also think it is selfish to take away playoff style experience away from the younger players which is the teams future

And since 2002 widener has not seen the playoffs maybe they should have taken advantage of the game for the younger players and the future?????

As i said b4 look at the positive influence it had on dvc and kings b4 their title runs......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 03, 2005, 11:51:55 PM
sory bossman i was on that 2002 team that got shafted.  as a senior i wanted no parts of that ecac game.  being nationally ranked at 9. with only one loss on the road to a team that shared the mac title with us. not 2 mention kings only had 198 yard against in that victory, it was a slap in the face. you dont turn down a 9-1 team that made 2 great runs at the stagg bowl the previous years.  turning that ecec game down was a great idea bc we felt that we went out like champs regardless of the panel of decision makers that failed to get the top teams in the dance.

its these situations that made the ncaa give the dance 4 more pool c bids

what would our team get out of playing a 7-3 moravian team again? 

thier was no emotion for any significant player to show up and practice for an ecac game. esp when thier is a 6-4 christopher newport team that is getting ready for a real playoff game  oh and i think we played them first round the year b4 and it was a silly game 48-0 at half.  it looked like a circus.  no disrespect to the cnu program.




*oh and my final thought for this topic...  if the younger players needed more work play a jv game or something.  dont take away the pride that them seniors had on thier last game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 01:27:46 AM
Unfortunately, Zoolander, we knew you weren't getting that NCAA bid. In all four playoff projections we did in 2002, Widener was on the outside looking in. It was clearly strength of schedule.

Of course we got merciless crap from Widener fans (aka players posting on the board and their parents) for our alleged bias.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 08:10:48 AM
As an Ithaca player who played in an ECAC game I can mirror some of the thoughts of some people on here.  In 1996 we started out 7-1 (7-0 d3) and nationally ranked on our way to the playoffs untill losing our last two games.

We got an ECAC bid and to be honest, the game didnt mean anything and a lot of us were so disapointed that our season ended that way.  We had key starters hurt, and many people didnt want to play in a game that didnt matter.  We all went to Ithaca college for a chance to win a national championship. As past teams had done.

Looking back, Im glad we played in that ECAC game.  The school was invited, and we accepted the invatation.  We arent any better than any one else just because we missed the ncaas.  Sure it was disapointing, but the ecac games are part of eastern division 3 football. 

To turn down the bid would be selfish, and arrogant in my opinion.  Looking back Im glad we did it.  If we turned it down I would have been embarrassed.

Again, thats just my opinion.  At the time, we werent up for the game, but its up to the team and coaches to expliain the importance of this game and get the team prepared for it
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 04, 2005, 09:16:15 AM
Great post Johnny Utah! Glad to see someone with a little sanity and great perspective post on this subject!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 09:41:42 AM
guys

You know it's funny...you accuse these kids as having sour grapes etc...

Ask ANY member of the 1972 Olympic basketball team, if they regret not standing or accepting their medals after having the gold taken from them, and I would bet none of them do for a minute....what is different here?

For these kids, it's a bureaucracy taking something away, rather than refs...but the point is still the same....

And for us older folks (And don't start the conspiracy crap) there has been a history of WU getting the short end of the stick with the NCAA...ie... the 2001 WU team not getting a home game against a BW team that came from nowhere... Gee I wonder why?  Maybe from some ouside influence?...Quote from NCAA president's council meeting...."There is a strong consensus among the Presidents Council that we ought to limit the growth of the membership in Division III.  The council is concerned about the division's numbers for all sorts of reasons," said Phillip Stone, president at Bridgewater College and chair of the Division III Presidents Council. " ...looks like backroom politics to me...

Or we can go back to 87, or 78 when the defending natl champs were not invited to the play-offs....

yes I for one am glad they did not participate...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 10:14:35 AM
bman, the referees are different than when a selection commitee picks a game.  In 2002 Widener lost to Kings College for cryin out loud, and then they had close games with average opponents.  Rowan got screwed in 01, and they have gripe 10000X more legitimate than the 2002 widener team.

Granted the 2001 team was a different team, but they still lost to mt union by a half a hundred.

Back then, playoff teams had to win big in big games to make the playoffs.  Widener lost to an average team and barely beat other teams on their schedule that werent even that good.

You have to look at the teams that get in over widener...they deserved it more because they didnt lose any crappy games and blew out some good teams.  Thats the way the system is.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 10:16:37 AM
1989 the defending national champs didnt go to the playoffs either.  And they didnt deserve to.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 04, 2005, 10:50:08 AM
pat , i recall u predicting widener not making it in to the ncaa's,
strength of schedual could have been the x factor, however, kings 8-2 record and out of conference loss to a ok hatrford team didnt help. also, we  should have recieved a bye in 2001 and played  bridgwater at home. 

we thought we had a good chance to get in bc of our past 2 seasons and our current record, although the favor was returned to lyco in 2003, ur welcome guys,  and in reply to the "your welcome guys" most of them said thanx...

now jonny, if my team went 7-3, it would  foolish to turn down a ecac game.  like i said, what would our 2002 team get out of playing a moravian team that we already defeated. we beat moravian four straight years, nobody cared to make it five.  we wanted another shot at the national championship bc we deserved 2 be there.
PTI ERRORS JONNY!!!  wideners loss to mt. union was in the final four and it was in 2000. and we lost by 4 decades, not half a century.  oh n the 2002 kings team that u speak of shared the confrence title with widener and did pretty well in the playoffs
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 11:11:44 AM
Jonny

"Back then, playoff teams had to win big in big games to make the playoffs.  Widener lost to an average team and barely beat other teams on their schedule that werent even that good."

What year was that???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 11:12:12 AM
why would it be foolish to turn down an ECAC game?  We went to the national semifinals 2 years before (and lost on a last minute touchdown, not a 70-whatever pasting) and we all went to Ithaca to win a national championship.  the ecac isnt affialited with the ncaa, they invite the best teams to play in thier games that dont make the playoffs.

We were 7-3 but one loss was to a d2 team (which pat says dont count, Im still not sure if the ncaa looked at this loss, im thinking they would) and the other loss was to buffalo st after we already new the playoffs were gone, because as you know....

one loss teams sometimes dont make the playoffs.

2002 widener was invited to play in a postseason game.  They turned it down.  What did a 7-3 Ithaca team thats won 3 national championships and was a top 5 team in the middle of the year get out of an ECAC game?  ECAC games are traditional games that have been played since the early 1980s.  

Ok, so Kings college in 2002 lost to Hartwick and Lycoming during the regular season.

Hartwick lost to Ithaca and RPI in close games.  

Can you take widener over hartwick?  the ncaa took kings over hartwick.  How did that happen? Hartwick played a tougher schedule and deserved to go over both those teams as the mac had a down year..

Like I said, what did Ithaca care about an ecac game in 96?  You really didnt have any chance of a national championship in 01 either the score wasnt even close.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 11:13:20 AM
1989 the defending national champs didnt go to the playoffs either.  And they didnt deserve to.

the 78 team probably was the best team in the nation that year....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 11:15:29 AM
Quote from: bman on November 04, 2005, 11:11:44 AM
Jonny

"Back then, playoff teams had to win big in big games to make the playoffs.  Widener lost to an average team and barely beat other teams on their schedule that werent even that good."

What year was that???


that year was 2002.  Ok, I wont call Kings College average, but they werent great.  Kings lost to Hartwick.  then widener didnt play any good nonconference games that might have helped them.  And they lost to Kings! that was their chance.  If you dont play a tough schedule, you need to go undefeated or have one loss to a good nonleague team to make it.

Hate to tell ya, but Widener didnt prove anything in 2001.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 11:19:03 AM
1978???

oh man, how did widener get shafted that year?  Did they beat wittenberg during the regular season and then not get invited because of a close loss to Bloomsberg at home or something?

Just win the game you are supposed to win and you go
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 11:21:13 AM
Quote from: bman on November 04, 2005, 11:13:20 AM
1989 the defending national champs didnt go to the playoffs either.  And they didnt deserve to.

the 78 team probably was the best team in the nation that year....


If Mount Union didnt put in their third team in the fourth quarter in 2001, they PROBABLY could have won the game 110-30.

but the word probably is kinda lame and champions dont use that word
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 11:29:48 AM
Jonny

You are missing the point...they felt slighted by the NCAA(which is a joke), and chose not to participate in a seconday game that had no meaning.

I don't feel they should have to defend themselves for that decision....

PS how do YOU know they wouln't have beaten Witt?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 11:44:11 AM
No bman, you can feel slighted by the ncaa, but the ecac has nothing to do with the ncaa.  Do the ecac games ever have a meaning? 

ECAC is an orgainization that promotes eastern intercollegiate athletic sports and it gives out awards every year to the top players in the east.  Widener is a member of the ECAC. The ECAC invited Wideners football team to play in a postseason game, (a game I might add, is a traditional game that has been played for many years before.)

Widener basically told them they didnt want anything to do with them that year, because they thought they deserved to go to the ncaas.  I just dont think its right, and Widener should have played in the game.  Of course its a constalation game but its a tradition none the less.  Maybe widener people are above the ecac and tradition I dont know.

Im not saying they have to defend anything,

and you feel it was a joke (the ncaa snub)  It was a year that you could argue other teams should have gone.  Worcester State was 10-0 when we played them in 1996.  We were the better team at 7-3. 

Hartwick was 8-2 in 2002 after beating Kings yet Kings still went to the playoffs because they won the MAC and they beat Widener.  From the outside, it looked like a down year for the east.  The NCAA made thier decision.  Imagine the Hartwick people if Widener also made it over them.  You simply couldnt take widener and kings and not hartwick.

I dont know anything about 1978 except Ithaca lost to Wittenberg 6-3 in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 11:48:31 AM
Jonny

We will agree to disagree then...and I don't think it has to do with anyone feeling it was "below" them to play in that game...as Chum stated. t was a team thing and they made that decision collectively....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 04, 2005, 11:53:36 AM
jonny we played mt union in 2000.  mot bad for aa young group of players that came into the 2000 season ranked at forty something.

2001 we were ranked #2 in the nation for most of the year, we also beat the #3 team in the nation by 16 in the second rd. we lost to #4 bw , which we should have played at home. "shafted" dont compare our 2001 team to mt unions 2001 bc we never played, if we did,  it would have never went down like it did in 2000. many will agree.

at the end of the day we didnt want to play in the ecac game bc we wouldnt have been ready for it,  we were focused on getting a bid and that didnt happen.  once again, what good would our starting team (mostly seniors) get out of playing moravian again.  nottadamthing...  thanks but no thanx!!!

if widener gets an ecac bid in 2005, they would be foolish not to take it.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 04, 2005, 12:02:51 PM
Yea, but we can all agree that Widener was far from being the #4 team in the country in 2001, that ranking was based on how they fared against east teams in 2000, which they were clearly the best.

And like I said before, we didnt want to play the ecac game in 1996 either.  And as you say, there was no point to the game.  In 1987, Ithaca lost their last regualar season game to dayton and then played plymouth st in the ecac game, and I heard that a lot of players gave up and had a bad attitude in the game(please correct me if Im wrong, I wasnt there, just goin on what I heard)

Im assuming you like me went to a school to play for a national championship, and the end of that 2001 must have been disapointing, but again, you were invited by the ecac and you said no.

on your side though, I probably wouldnt want to play a team that we already played, I would agree that you should have played someone else like hartwick or ithaca.  In 1996 though, it wouldnt have been fair to worcester st if we had turned it down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 04, 2005, 12:31:21 PM
that ranking 2001 wansnt based on the 2000 walk through the east.  it was based on how well we were in 2001 not 2000.  we beat the n #3 team in the nation at home, convincingly.  then lost to the #4 team away "shafted" .  ask pat, we deserved to be #2 untill we lost. by the way, bw lost to mt union 30-27 in the stagg bowl.

good luck to widener this week! 
im taking a trip to vegas and putting my quarterly savings on delval. bc if i lose i still win!!!!  can i get a go eagles!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2005, 02:43:13 PM
Reminder...

If you don't want to make the four-hour drive from the Philadelphia (or other) area to Juniata and then the same back, let me do it for you.  All you have to do is listen to the game from the comforts of your own home or office.

Kickoff is at 1 PM with pregame coverage at 12:30 PM on www.sportsjuice.com.

Knoblauch goes for the 10,000-yard passing/1,000 yard-rushing record and the Aggies try to clinch the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 03:04:54 PM
Jonny

I will cite another example...

The 1906 team was snubbed by the NCAA, when their uniforms did not meet "NCAA" standards...It seems that someone in the wool industry pulled in a favor and turned the "W" upside down...thus making them ineligble for the post season.  The team was devastated, as you can see from the "Glum" looks.... ;D
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.widener.edu%2FTools_Resources%2FLibraries%2FWolfgram_Memorial_Library%2FArchives%2FPhotoArchives%2FPhotoArchives%2F2149%2F%3FvobId%3D8101%26amp%3Bpm%3D2495&hash=52b3c21a3086c12ef7f538bf6438ea88f22a31fa)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 04, 2005, 03:25:56 PM
bman:

While I wasn't [quite] on the scene at that time, I do remember hearing about Widener's ...  er, PMC's 1906 "shafting." While the "wrong" uniforms were the announced reason for the snub, the truth was something altogether different -- and more serious.  In those days a football team consisted of 15 players, and the flying wedge was the offense of choice; PMC was then a military academy with a polo team, and they commonly employed a horse, disguised in a football uniform, as the point of the wedge.

The Cadets were able to use the horse with impunity for a number of seasons until an opposing coach noticed equine by-product on the field. The resulting scandal and investigation rocked the athletic world, and from henceforth on horses (and most other animals) were strictly banned from collegiate competition, though professional teams were allowed to continue their use until after-game cleanup costs went through the roof.

There, that's the true story of PMC's/Widener's first in a long history of snubs, shafts, and slaps in the face.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2005, 03:43:35 PM
Warren

That ban was also modified when the Gus the Kicking Mule scandal rocked the pro ranks...

The 1906 horse probably thought "this is a lot easier than dragging a howitzer" ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 04, 2005, 04:16:39 PM
bman:

And because of PMC's sin in 1906, we now have the all-too-common saying, "Widener [or whoever] has all the horses this season." Little do most fans realize the historical background herein.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 04, 2005, 05:05:13 PM
Wow - some pretty good banter posters - I especially like some of the vintage trivia.

My thoughts, not that anyone asked, are teams should decide to play or not, with the guidance and input of coaches - the heck with administrators or even alumni.  I prefer to think of an invitation for continued play as simply that - an invitation.  The entity extending the courtesy did not initiate the slight - ala ECAC vice NCAA - so why focuse on the slight?  Besides, the metaphor that applies is not sour grapes - but cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Additionally, we should be careful not to confuse a very principled stand by the 1972 USA Olympic Men's Basketball team not to receive a tainted silver medal with D3 athletics especially since the USA team was never offered a bid to play by the ECAC or even declined to play another game.  They refused to accept the medal - not another chance to demonstrate their athletic prowess.  I say, accept the game, prove the pundits wrong by smashing your opponent in a rout.  This way you get more pt for your players.  Moreover, you will always prove it on the field and not the D3 chat room years later that you were indeed overlooked and deserved to be in the "big dance." 

In the end, if the team and coaches decide not to accept the invitation that is their right and perogative.  However, I still think it is a bit ungracious, unless of course you are playing opponents you already previously vanquished.

Go Warriors - Beat Albright!  Coach G may move one step closer to 250 this week.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 07:25:11 PM
Quote from: bman on November 04, 2005, 09:41:42 AM
guys

You know it's funny...you accuse these kids as having sour grapes etc...

Ask ANY member of the 1972 Olympic basketball team, if they regret not standing or accepting their medals after having the gold taken from them, and I would bet none of them do for a minute....what is different here?

For these kids, it's a bureaucracy taking something away, rather than refs...but the point is still the same....

And for us older folks (And don't start the conspiracy crap) there has been a history of WU getting the short end of the stick with the NCAA...ie... the 2001 WU team not getting a home game against a BW team that came from nowhere... Gee I wonder why?  Maybe from some ouside influence?...Quote from NCAA president's council meeting...."There is a strong consensus among the Presidents Council that we ought to limit the growth of the membership in Division III.  The council is concerned about the division's numbers for all sorts of reasons," said Phillip Stone, president at Bridgewater College and chair of the Division III Presidents Council. " ...looks like backroom politics to me...

Or we can go back to 87, or 78 when the defending natl champs were not invited to the play-offs....

yes I for one am glad they did not participate...



Stone didn't join the presidents council until after 2001, I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: zoolander on November 04, 2005, 11:53:36 AM
2001 we were ranked #2 in the nation for most of the year, we also beat the #3 team in the nation by 16 in the second rd. we lost to #4 bw , which we should have played at home. "shafted" dont compare our 2001 team to mt unions 2001 bc we never played, if we did,  it would have never went down like it did in 2000. many will agree.

1) The NCAA doesn't care one bit what the AFCA poll says, and it shouldn't. The AFCA poll's track record is awful. That's why we started our own poll.

2) If the AFCA poll was so damn accurate, why did #4 Widener not show up until halftime at #2 Bridgewater? Losing 57-32 is hardly a statement that says this game should've been played at your place.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 05, 2005, 12:56:22 AM
Quote from: zoolander on November 04, 2005, 12:31:21 PM
that ranking 2001 wansnt based on the 2000 walk through the east.  it was based on how well we were in 2001 not 2000.  we beat the n #3 team in the nation at home, convincingly.  then lost to the #4 team away "shafted" .  ask pat, we deserved to be #2 untill we lost. by the way, bw lost to mt union 30-27 in the stagg bowl.

good luck to widener this week! 
im taking a trip to vegas and putting my quarterly savings on delval. bc if i lose i still win!!!!  can i get a go eagles!!!

zoolander you are right, I am wrong, I was thinking about wideners 2002 team that wasnt #4 in the country.  The 2001 team deserved that ranking.....

although rowan was the team that got shafted in 2001, not widener.  They actually beat bc at bc and got shafted like no team would ever deserve to get shafted.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dpadavona on November 05, 2005, 03:01:22 AM
Quote from: jonny utah on November 04, 2005, 11:44:11 AM
Widener basically told them they didnt want anything to do with them that year, because they thought they deserved to go to the ncaas.  I just dont think its right, and Widener should have played in the game.  Of course its a constalation game but its a tradition none the less.  Maybe widener people are above the ecac and tradition I dont know.

Did you mean consolation game?  Or are you referring to the ECAC Space Bowl?   ;D

How do you feel about Ithaca turning down ECAC bids in the past?  I know there are a lot of people involved with Ithaca's and Cortland's programs who feel the the ECAC is a big letdown after the Cortacajug game, if there is no NCAA invite.  I can see where Widener was coming from.

My personal feeling is the ECAC game is a great chance to show the NCAA they made a mistake passing you by, and it is also a great opportunity to play a strong team from another area.  If you go to college to play football, I would think you would want an extra game particularly if you are a senior.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 01:21:45 PM
Lycoming draws first blood on a Smith keeper - PAT good

early in the first quarter Lycoming 7 - Albright 0
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 01:37:26 PM
Lycoming turnover to Albright on a pic at the 5.  Defense holds. Murdoch fumbles the punt but recovers it
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 01:55:09 PM
Smith again picked off and Albright O seems to be finding its way . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:08:46 PM
Lycoming on the 2 with half running out - Smith passes for a TD
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:09:22 PM
PAT attempt is good

Lycoming 14

Albright 0

25 seconds in the half
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:30:30 PM
Streaming problems with feed . . . switching to Albright and see if they have one that is up and working.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:38:13 PM
Lycoming fumble by Smith recovered on by Albright on the Lyco 20 yd line

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:39:47 PM
3rd down and 9 from the 20 - Good defensive stand - now stop them on 3rd and make them kick for it

Incomplete whatever will the Lions do now?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:40:45 PM
Gutsy call and they went for it TD - but laundry on the field . . .

preliminary indication is against Albright.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:41:54 PM
Penalty against Albright, ineligible receiver, nullifies TD giving ball over to Lycoming as touchback on their own 20.

Talk about dodging a bullet!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 02:42:53 PM
Face-mask violation - Lycoming on the 33 now . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 05, 2005, 02:47:24 PM
Pat

I certainly was not claiming Bwater influenced the panel in any way...I was simply illustrating my point that the NCAA cowers to any influential body, and there would be a graet example of how a influential body could change how the committe places teams.

I have issues with the NCAA in general, and the play-off commitee (as we all know) leaves a lot to be desired (in fact they are a joke)...but that topic has been debated to death here many times....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 03:15:35 PM
Albright intercepts and scores again but fails to convert on the PAT

Lycoming 14

Albright 13
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 03:33:28 PM
Smith injured and Hanna intercepted - why did Lyco call a pass play with a cold qb who ended up overthrowing the receiver?

Albright now marching with less than 7 minutes to go . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 03:35:38 PM
Ball comes out and Lycoming recovers in the red zone - their own 13!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 03:49:23 PM
two more turnovers and Lycoming runs out the clock and secures the win - #249 for Coach G

Lycoming 14 - Albright 13

All the best, posters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninyellowhat on November 05, 2005, 04:16:47 PM
Lyco,

You guys have had a really nice turnaround to the season (although I'm sad that it started with the Bombers!).  Congrats on another win today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 05, 2005, 04:18:23 PM
Ya can thank one of the "bum" teams in the NJAC for probably securing the #1 seed for DVC if they win next week!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 07:31:56 PM
Thanks MIYH - sorry we are not going to the playoffs of IC fans might look for another shot to try and even the score on this year's contests.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninorangehat on November 05, 2005, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 05, 2005, 07:31:56 PM
Thanks MIYH - sorry we are not going to the playoffs of IC fans might look for another shot to try and even the score on this year's contests.

Lyco80

Congrats on another win... Glad that you guys started to roll after getting us.  I'm sure IC would love to get another shot @ ya!

Go Bombers
 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 05, 2005, 10:46:40 PM
Just to clear up a few facts. The Wu would clearly benifit from an taking an ECAC game. They are a young team that only will graduate a total of 4 seniors. Anytime you can get an extra week of practice for your younger players and add the post season feeling it has to help. Look at how it helped Kings get in the playoffs after an ECAC game. Del Val took an ECAC bid before they went on this current run of MAC championships. Furthermore let me remind all of my fellow WU alumni that WU took an ECAC bid the season before they starting winning all of those MAC championships in 2000. Lets also clear up one other fact. Zwann did not ask the players/coaches if they wanted to take an ECAC game. Nor did he turn it down. At the time, in order for a team to get an ECAC game they had to let the ECAC know by a certian time. Coach Zwann was sure the Pioneers would make the playoffs and never put in for an opportunity to take a game. Every real player I have ever talked to always says that they wish they could just put the pads on one more time.  Any player that would rather sit home on his ass instead of putting on his pads and playing in one more game should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 05, 2005, 10:49:46 PM
Please allow me to apologies for the grammar and spelling in my previous post. I just returned home Sals. The WU D was very impressive today. Should be a great game this week in Doylestown.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2005, 10:50:30 PM
I don't believe that's what we were told at the time. We had some pretty good sources in the department.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 05, 2005, 11:05:05 PM
This may be a case of conflicting sources. I travel to the games with a few fellows that I consider to be good sources. They where very close to the program during that time. However, I will yield to you if you have direct knowledge.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 05, 2005, 11:11:53 PM
Congrats to the Aggies on their win today!!!  Not only did they secure at least a share of the MAC title (depending on the outcome of next week's games) but Adam Knoblauch achieved the honor of becoming just the 5th quarterback in NCAA history to pass for 10,000 yards and rush for 1,000 during his career.  What a banner day for the Aggies!!! ;D

PS - Just to add a little intrigue into how this season will actually end, Rowan lost to Willy P.

I'd also like to compliment the Juniata football team and their supporting fans.  I must say that I was quite surprised to see the number of home support for this team in spite of their record this season.  Please don't take that last sentence as an insult.  It's just that usually when a team has a losing season, at least some of the games I've attended in the past, home support is sometimes hard to be found.  Juniata's home stands were packed and filled with cheering fans.  In addition, even though Del Val was ahead by a good margin of points by the end of the first half, Juniata came out and played with heart.  They never gave up.  They have some excellent talent on that team and it was very impressive to not see their heads drop once during that entire game.  They played with pride, guts and heart till the very end.  Great game Juniata Eagles!!!!   :) :) :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 05, 2005, 11:20:36 PM
Adam Knoblauch is a excellent QB. He has had a great career at DVC and it has been a pleasure to watch him play. The football fan in me will miss him. However the WU fan is glad next Saturday is the last time we have to compete agaist him. Congrats again on a great accomplishment.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 06, 2005, 12:56:21 AM
Quote from: ACMob on November 05, 2005, 04:18:23 PM
Ya can thank one of the "bum" teams in the NJAC for probably securing the #1 seed for DVC if they win next week!!

ACMOB

Have some heart.   :o   Why on earth would you call ANY team a "bum" team?  Just because a team doesn't have more wins than losses doesn't make them any less deserving of a powerful win.  Things went right for Willy P today and congrats to them.  That is, who I am assuming, you were talking about. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 06, 2005, 05:46:45 AM
Quote from: WUDLINE on November 05, 2005, 10:46:40 PM
Just to clear up a few facts. The Wu would clearly benifit from an taking an ECAC game. They are a young team that only will graduate a total of 4 seniors. Anytime you can get an extra week of practice for your younger players and add the post season feeling it has to help. Look at how it helped Kings get in the playoffs after an ECAC game. Del Val took an ECAC bid before they went on this current run of MAC championships. Furthermore let me remind all of my fellow WU alumni that WU took an ECAC bid the season before they starting winning all of those MAC championships in 2000. Lets also clear up one other fact. Zwann did not ask the players/coaches if they wanted to take an ECAC game. Nor did he turn it down. At the time, in order for a team to get an ECAC game they had to let the ECAC know by a certian time. Coach Zwann was sure the Pioneers would make the playoffs and never put in for an opportunity to take a game. Every real player I have ever talked to always says that they wish they could just put the pads on one more time.  Any player that would rather sit home on his ass instead of putting on his pads and playing in one more game should be ashamed.


wudline, in 1999 we never took an ecac bid bc we never recieved one, they are hard to get when a team goes 6-4. regardless of your misinformed knowledge of the 2002 season along with prior seasons. like i already said, if wu gets a ecac bid this year they should take full advantage of it. wu 2002 team was offered an ecac bid that was declined bc the team thought they had a good chance to gear up for the playoffs.  we didnt meet as a team to watch the selection show as a team bc we didnt control our own destiny at the time. our season ended via internet at the moment. the last thing on anyone had in mind that week was gearing up to play moravian again for the ECAC TITLE.  we all went to widener to have the oppertunity to practice on thankgiving in the am.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 06, 2005, 07:14:33 AM
Quote from: 4man on November 06, 2005, 12:56:21 AM
Quote from: ACMob on November 05, 2005, 04:18:23 PM
Ya can thank one of the "bum" teams in the NJAC for probably securing the #1 seed for DVC if they win next week!!

ACMOB

Have some heart.   :o   Why on earth would you call ANY team a "bum" team?  Just because a team doesn't have more wins than losses doesn't make them any less deserving of a powerful win.  Things went right for Willy P today and congrats to them.  That is, who I am assuming, you were talking about. 

HATS OFF TO WILLY P!  GREAT WIN!!

It was one of your posters that used that term.  I root for Kean and WP in the NJAC.  Many believe that they are "easy" wins and in the past that might have been true.   Again, I was only be sarcastic towards the poster that used that term. 

Ask Wilkes how "weak" Willy P is this year!  After they beat Husson next week, WP will finsh at .500 for the first time I can remember.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 06, 2005, 08:48:23 AM
It is interesting to note how quiet all the "put a fork in them" posters have become since Lycoming has won the last four games in a row.  For the record, when everyone was counting them down, and out, I, and a few other stalwarts, continued to have faith that Coach G and the lads would right things. 

This week's game against defector Susquehanna will provide an interesting chance for Coach G to move to 250 career wins.  This is a milestone few coaches achieve in any sport - let alone a competition as prone to change as D3 football.  My hat is off to him and his staff for a career of excellence and hope many Warrior alumni - both football and otherwise - will make the trip to Williamsport this weekend in the hopes of seeing some D3 football history.

Simba - may make the trip from VA - right now it appears we will be executing orders to Japan for three years in February 2006.  This may be my last chance to make it for some time.  Let me know if you plan on attending.

Congrats to DVC and WU on strong seasons - I hope you both make it into the playoffs.  Also - well done to a very physical and talented Wilkes team.

Go Warriors - #250 is within your grasp - Beat the Crusaders!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on November 06, 2005, 09:33:37 AM
Dont worry man... Here I am!!!

Put a fork in Lyco!!

I am sure you are so thrilled to post about winning the last four straight when Lyco has such a great tradition..  It must tickle you to death to pound your chest that Lyco has had such a great season.

Dont worry man, soon enough Lyco will be completely finished... The power will shift to DVC, Albright, and Widener has always had a pretty good team...

Lycoming's slide isnt over.  They will lose more games next year too.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on November 06, 2005, 01:06:41 PM
Patron 2,
Why so much antagonism towards the Lycoming program.  Granted this is not the same type team as the LYCO teams of old.  With that being said, the one commonality shared with those past great teams is character.  These kids found ways to win.  Be assured LYCO is not done!  Much more parity exists in the MAC from top to bottom,than in the past, and be assured on any given Saturday one team can defeat another.  DVC has become the class of the MAC, however don't think for a heartbeat that they can't be beat.  Even the top dog must be ever vigilant.  Although we all have our favorite teams, lets not forget all these players are fine young men. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 06, 2005, 05:30:54 PM
Don't automatically think DVC can get the top seed in the region with a win against Widener.  A 4th ranked Union win against 3rd ranked Hobart sent them to 9-0...add on to that this week's game against previously 6th ranked RPI and the Dutchmen have a chance to pickup the top ranking. 

Union's quality of win index would most likely be higher than Del Val's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2005, 05:38:25 PM
Dunno about that -- Delaware Valley would pick up just as many QOW points from beating Widener as Union would from beating RPI. Even though Union has two fewer regional games to divide that boost over, Del Val's QOW lead should stand up unless one team or the other has a significant number of other opponents' records change.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 06, 2005, 07:01:45 PM
Zoolander
I was speaking of the 1998 Wu team that played Monclair at home in the ECAC game. To this day, coach zwann contributes much of the future success of the program to the extra practice time he had with the young players in 1998. We all try to forget about the 1999 team that started with such high promise before fading away. As for your statmentabout my misinformation I will offer this info to help you understand.
It was stated that Zwann asked the team and players if the wanted to play an ECAC game. He did not. At the time the so called bid that was turned down was the initial  bid sent to almost every school on the east coast with a winning record. It was to ask if a college would be interested in playing in an ECAC game if the did not make the NCAA playoffs. The ECAC then comes back to the teams that do not make the NCAA an have shown an intrest in playing an ECAC game. Zwann declined the initial offer.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 06, 2005, 07:18:37 PM
It is good to know that you are not lost since I was about to initiate a milk carton campaign in hopes of locating you, Patron 2.

Concur with Mojo in regards to MAC parity.  The pending desertion of Susquehanna, Juniata and Moravian will alter things.  How much so is a matter of speculation.  However, the remaining teams will continue to hold Fall weekly slugfests that will sometimes depend upon turnovers, penalties and field conditions for the winners and losers.

Not sure what your hostility to Lycoming is but that a demon you will have to exorcise yourself - sorry but I cannot help you with it myself.

Winning seasons, MAC championships, NCAA appearances, twice in the Stagg bowl in the 1990s, all point to a tradition of excellence and success.  I remain quite bullish on Lycoming's stock and am sorry you think I am pounding my chest when I am merely trying to call attention to facts - not feelings.

Regardless, I am delighted you are a poster and am glad to see you took the bait and responded.  Witty repartee is most welcome.

Go Warriors !

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 06, 2005, 08:35:27 PM
One career NCAA leader congratulates another after the game....One more win Warriors and your two goals set prior to your "Playoff" game with Ithaca will be attained (win out for a winning season and 250 wins for the "G").. Take no prisoners this Saturday and the second half of the season will end in a successfull "Crusade"...Simba

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwilliamsport-pa.com%2Flycomingfootball%2Flc05110501p_small.jpg&hash=2724283eeb4c268d389b0211a4a3cf4f15c25168)

Lyco80...Will be observing from the hill behind the fence as I've done 3 games this year to ensure all tailgaiting festivities meet Lyco standards...hint: Dick Yuengling, Lyco class of '66...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 07, 2005, 10:51:39 AM
LVC's Adam Brossman is breaking school records all over the place and there is no talk of, him, why is this?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 07, 2005, 11:16:52 AM
LVC is 2-7....thats prolly why
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 07, 2005, 11:18:50 AM
Also i'm glad the season will be over after this week for lyco.....then i won't half to read lyco80 play for play.......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on November 07, 2005, 02:01:01 PM
It would take more then milk cartons.. Search and rescue dogs, the national guard, etc..

Quote from: Lyco80 on November 06, 2005, 07:18:37 PM
It is good to know that you are not lost since I was about to initiate a milk carton campaign in hopes of locating you, Patron 2.

Concur with Mojo in regards to MAC parity.  The pending desertion of Susquehanna, Juniata and Moravian will alter things.  How much so is a matter of speculation.  However, the remaining teams will continue to hold Fall weekly slugfests that will sometimes depend upon turnovers, penalties and field conditions for the winners and losers.

Not sure what your hostility to Lycoming is but that a demon you will have to exorcise yourself - sorry but I cannot help you with it myself.

Winning seasons, MAC championships, NCAA appearances, twice in the Stagg bowl in the 1990s, all point to a tradition of excellence and success.  I remain quite bullish on Lycoming's stock and am sorry you think I am pounding my chest when I am merely trying to call attention to facts - not feelings.

Regardless, I am delighted you are a poster and am glad to see you took the bait and responded.  Witty repartee is most welcome.

Go Warriors !

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 07, 2005, 02:27:29 PM
Congrats to Adam Knoblauch on reaching the 10,000/1,000 milestone.  I just read the story on espn.com.  That is great stuff for Adam, Delaware Valley and DIII football. 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 07, 2005, 02:34:47 PM
Dynasty07

Most likely Brossman will get his due after the season is over and the ALL MAC teams are announced

Great Job Adam Knoblauch
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2005, 02:36:44 PM
Quote from: rockcat on November 07, 2005, 02:27:29 PM
Congrats to Adam Knoblauch on reaching the 10,000/1,000 milestone.  I just read the story on espn.com.  That is great stuff for Adam, Delaware Valley and DIII football. 


If you'd read the front page of our site you'd have seen it there, too, on Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 07, 2005, 02:52:25 PM
I saw it on the front page but I thought it was cool that others picked up on it too.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 07, 2005, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: bossman05 on November 07, 2005, 11:18:50 AM
Also i'm glad the season will be over after this week for lyco.....then i won't half to read lyco80 play for play.......

You really need to get out more bossman05 since play posting is the way other leagues stay abreast of real time developments on their boards.  Sorry you care not for the updates - but you really do not not have to read them - simply ignore.

Patron 2 - love your comeback - I have access to some of those means - shall we employ them to locate you?

Simba - trying to find someone to ride with me up to Williamsport this weekend for the game - hard to do from here.

To all of you - Please remember your servicemembers this week - 10 November is the USMC birthday - 230 years strong!  And 11 November is Veteran's Day.  America has many problems facing her but you can be justifiably proud of her sons and daughters in uniform past and present.

Go Navy - Beat Army!

Go Warriors!!!

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 07, 2005, 05:08:04 PM
LYCO80, When I was in the Navy we used to cheer Go Army Beat Navy.  Our Exec was a former Annapolis football player and was always ready to bet a keg of beer against the enlisted men.  I still can't believe I have to share my birthday with a bunch of Jarheads.   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2005, 05:24:15 PM
dynasty07 & bossman05:

Adam Brossman did receive some notice. He was named to the MAC weekly Honor Roll for his performance v. Moravian. He caught 05 passes for 141 yards and 04 touchdowns, setting the LVC career touchdown receptions for a game, season (13), and career (20).

At Moravian he also punted 05 times for an average of 40.0 yards per kick. For the season, he's made 43 receptions for 850 yards and a MAC-leading 13 touchdowns. As well, he's averaging a conference-leading 38.4 yards per punt.

LVC's biology faculty are now attempting to clone him ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 07, 2005, 05:33:49 PM
haha, we could only wish.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 07, 2005, 05:36:18 PM
pat, if widener wins at del val this week, what are the chances of them recieving a pool c bid.  1:10 or more like 1:1,000,000?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on November 07, 2005, 05:39:18 PM
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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on November 07, 2005, 05:43:33 PM
North Central
Cal Lutheran
Central
Conc.Moorhead
Depauw
UMHB
Huntingdon
St John Fisher
Hobart/RPI/Union (One will win the division and get an A)

10 teams vying for 7 spots.  Even if a ton fall apart, Ohio Northnern, Capital, Montclair State with a victory over Rowan  and countless others probably have a better shot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 08, 2005, 11:06:37 AM
Congrats to DelVal on another Conference championship, good work boys.

Johnny Utah "Widener didn't prove anything in 2001"

Are you kidding me? Can you please explain this ridiculous comment to me. It would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on November 08, 2005, 09:17:25 PM
A writer from d3.com replied in am email that the MAC doesn't get enough respect to get 2 teams into the NCAA tournament. I wish someone could tell me why not with the way these teams are performing. Look at Deleware Valley, Wilkes being 7-2, Widener beating Salisbury, Lyco beating Ithaca... for those of you who believe in the MAC, thank you, for those of you who don't...  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 08, 2005, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: Chum Slam on November 08, 2005, 11:06:37 AM
Congrats to DelVal on another Conference championship, good work boys.

Johnny Utah "Widener didn't prove anything in 2001"

Are you kidding me? Can you please explain this ridiculous comment to me. It would be greatly appreciated.

chumslam I was talking about in terms of being one of the top teams in the country.........

my point was that Widener was never really close to ever being a national championship team.  Rowan, BC and Mount could claim that in 2001 and only Mount union and st johns could claim that in 2000.  Widener was 7 touchdowns away from the top teams in the country those years, and thats part of the reason they missed a bid in 2002.

In my opinion Widener proved that they were one of the top teams in the east in 2001 and 2000, but they were far from being a national championship team as they were blown out in their last two losses of those two years..........

so when I said they didnt prove anything in 2001, I was referring to the fact that they couldnt just make the playoffs in 2002 based solely on their 2001 playoff performance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 09, 2005, 12:41:35 AM
johnny, thats a bad statement, we should of had home field advantage against bw, we also scored at will the whole second half once we got our offense rolling.  home field advantage is very beneficial to a team in the playoffs.  widener also beat the #3 team in the nation which was w&j at the time.  widener was also placed in the south in 2001,which was by far the most competitive region in the playoffs. we were in the east in 2000. however, you are right about rowan being robbed agaist bw
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 09, 2005, 06:58:43 AM
well zoolander, I wasnt at the game I just saw the score but from that I dont see anyway that you could argue that widner was better or deserved a home game over BC.  Both teams were undefeated and I dont think you can use a home game as an excuse.  Wideners defense didnt do the job that year.  Then again I didnt see any of those games maybe widener just had a bad game and BC had a great game....but 57-32 kinda shows which team could claim to be the better team.  Now if BC won by a point or Widener won the game you could argue that Widener could have deserved the homefield because of the outcome but that didnt happen.  I think now you have to say BC was the better team and deserved the homefield because somene knew they were better.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 09, 2005, 08:07:59 AM
BC was 9-1 not undefeated. And that seasons they beat no nationally ranked teams. We did, we stomped Lyco 35-0 at their house.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 09, 2005, 12:52:51 PM
Also DelVal is ranked higher than Rowan, what a joke.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Naked Nott Run on November 09, 2005, 02:14:59 PM
Good luck this week boyz... NNR Wishes all well... hope you get to know Union soon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 09, 2005, 02:38:18 PM
yo Chum Chum,
what u mean a joke?????

Rowan lost to patterson are u kiddin me?????

Hey also patterson beat wilkes and rowan...and wilkes beat widener...
hmm.....

i'll tell u what chum chum u say some stupid things
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 09, 2005, 02:59:47 PM
Rowan was up 56 - 0 last year at halftime during their game. I was at the game, Total domination.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Naked Nott Run on November 09, 2005, 03:41:52 PM
chum slam... remember last year so well... well you remember beating patterson 61-6...what happened this year... it is SO FREAKIN stupid people base so much off what happened... games are played for a reason
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 09, 2005, 03:50:23 PM
I am well aware they are played for a reason. I played for long enough to know.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 09, 2005, 05:55:27 PM
word is that some camera crews are filming Coach G this week to put together a video tribute for POSSIBLY his 250th win.  Heard it mentioned that this video will be shown first at the stagg bowl festivities.

Go Warriors
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 09, 2005, 06:30:36 PM
When you say rowan dominated dvc last year, that means one thing. NOTHING! This is a new year, both teams have changed, and this is why we play the game. Upsets occur everywhere everyweekend, chum, u sound like you cant get over a mishap is your 'glorydays.'

as for a possibility of dvc and rowan matchup this year, i watched both teams last year and thought rowan had the big edge, i have also watched both teams this year, and i feel its a little more evenly matched, it would be a great game. I know GA will have his boys well prepared for the challenge if it happens.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 09, 2005, 08:41:21 PM
Quote from: Chum Slam on November 09, 2005, 08:07:59 AM
BC was 9-1 not undefeated. And that seasons they beat no nationally ranked teams. We did, we stomped Lyco 35-0 at their house.

BC was undefeated, they were 10-0 going into the Widener game.  And Widener beat a nationally ranked team out of the MAC where no one ever played out of league, so you didnt really know who was good or not untill the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 08:46:30 PM
Quote from: jb on November 09, 2005, 05:55:27 PM
word is that some camera crews are filming Coach G this week to put together a video tribute for POSSIBLY his 250th win.  Heard it mentioned that this video will be shown first at the stagg bowl festivities.

Go Warriors

I hope not. Last time there was a coach tribute at the Stagg Bowl festivities, it was for Ithaca coach Jim Butterfield, who had just passed away. I expect Coach Girardi has a few years left.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 09, 2005, 10:03:55 PM
Chum:

Keep in mind that Rowan lost not only a game, but their starting QB and a premier DL for the year.  That all factors into their ranking.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bomber27 on November 10, 2005, 12:02:09 AM
You guys sick of the LL jumping on your board yet.  By the way, congrats to Lyco, pains me to say it but good game against us
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 10, 2005, 12:09:06 AM
I stand corrected, they were undefeated.... 9 - 0 !!!!!!  And that season they did not beat a nationally ranked team in the 9 wins.

Youre right we did play a nationally ranked team out of the MAC, they didnt beat a nationally ranked team period during the regular season.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 10, 2005, 12:09:33 AM
Chum...get real man.

DVC and those upstate NY teams all deserve to be higher than Rowan.  Most of these rankings are based on objective criteria with a portion of subjective analysis.  Most of the objective criteria force the committee to put DVC, Union, etc. above Rowan.  

If you don't get it, that's a shame
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 10, 2005, 12:31:54 AM
i didnt get to c del val this year but i'll be at the game this week.  if del val and rowen met in the playoffs this year i dont think they would get blown out like last year mainly bc when any  team gets a shot at a rematch for redemtion, they usually bring thier A game. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 10, 2005, 12:38:13 AM
game of the week!!!  widener upsets del val and starts thier quest to regain the mac crown!  hey i know its early but... del val can get my best of luck post for the playoffs after the widener match up.  38 - 35 widener wins in o.t. by a field goal.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 10, 2005, 08:43:40 AM
Zoolander, I will be there also, who should I look for?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 10, 2005, 10:31:51 AM
no way wu beats del val, just not going to happen. dvc is by far a superior team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 10, 2005, 11:33:16 AM
Pat: Could you explain the rumor of Wesley asking to be seeded in the East region. How can a team make such a request? Is it true that if they do get seeded in the East and Rowan wins this weekend they would host Wesley???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on November 10, 2005, 12:53:26 PM
Nothing is for sure by any means.  The East gets five automatic bids.  That leaves three spots for B and C teams. 

There will be three one-loss B/C eligible teams at the most.  This is if RPI defeats Union. 

That situation would leave Union, Hobart, and Fisher all with one loss, without an automatic bid.  Most believe the LL will not get three teams, thus, the need for a shipper from another region.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 10, 2005, 01:31:37 PM
So then it's not really Wesley's choice, but rather out of necessity?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 10, 2005, 04:57:47 PM
Hey Pat Great comparison- Keep the great work up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 10, 2005, 05:33:51 PM
Chum Slam

You have done nothing but bash Del Val all season without giving any respect to the team. That is your opinion and each is entitled to his own....How ever you have also mentioned the score of last years Rowan/Del Val game......True it ended 56-7...however the halftime score we 35-0...I, too was there.

I dont see DVC losing this week but it will be another close contest...Del Val 28   Widener  24
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 10, 2005, 09:31:01 PM
whats the outlook for lvc/ albright?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 10, 2005, 10:32:40 PM
No team can ask the committee to seed them anywhere.  If they want, they could send Wesley to the West.  Would it happen?  No...but it's just to show that there is no forced way to seed the playoffs. 

Look at our playoff projections on the front page via Daily Dose and review.  Last year the projections nailed 27 of 28 teams, I believe...not bad.  The seeding is almost dead on too. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on November 10, 2005, 11:00:33 PM
Posters,
Put your bucks on the Dutchmen this week.  LVC 21 - Albright 14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 11, 2005, 12:39:45 AM
It was not 35-0 because a bunch of us were commenting that it was even worse than when we beat CNU and were up 42-0 at halftime.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2005, 02:44:53 AM
Quote from: maAggie5 on November 10, 2005, 11:33:16 AM
Pat: Could you explain the rumor of Wesley asking to be seeded in the East region.

No. There's no point in trying to explain rumors. Some people just make stuff up. Why would I comment on it?

Wesley shouldn't be trying to get in the East bracket. They'll get a lower seed because they have common-opponent problems with Fisher and Ithaca.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 11, 2005, 09:33:04 AM
Thanks Pat, that's the story going around Wesley. I was just trying to understand how a team could make their own decision on such a thing. You've cleared it up nicely.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 11, 2005, 11:26:25 AM
Chum Slam

We both stand corrected it was 42-0 at the half of last years Rowan/Del Val game...not 56-0...Check the archives
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 11, 2005, 12:24:05 PM
Programming note...

If you're not coming to Doylestown, you can hear Delaware Valley take on Widener University for the Keystone Cup right here (http://www.sportsjuice.com/broadcaster2.aspx?bid=NTM%3d-ZxcZI%2f2M1Lg%3d).

Mid-Atlantic Region Columnist Pat Cummings will be in the house and we'll have extended pregame coverage with lots of interviews.  We'll talk with Coach Mangus, senior DL Matt Wallick and QB Adam Knoblauch.  Plus we'll have a special salute to several seniors.

Pregame starts at 12 PM with kickoff at 1 PM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 11, 2005, 05:30:17 PM
Lycoming's Girardi chasing 250th win

By GUY CIPRIANO

http://www.sungazette.com/articles.asp?articleID=253
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 12, 2005, 01:19:20 PM
widener scores a touchdown early!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:28:29 PM
Lyco dog returns to recover the kicking tee! 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:30:33 PM
Warriors draw first blood and lead 7-0 near the end of the first quarter . . .

And yes, I am here posting away to the delight of some and the dismay of others . . .

Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:44:20 PM
Susquehanna partially blocks a punt and then converts it into points on a TD pass

Score tied 7-7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:49:17 PM
Lycoming fumbles but recovers on their own 14 bringing up 4th and eternity - Susquehanna's defense is hanging tough

good return on the punt - putting the Crusaders on the 10 yd line

C'mon Warriors - show some steel now!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:52:59 PM
Murdoch intercepts in the end zone and brings it out to the 15 yd line

Way to do D!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 01:56:48 PM
Mike Ward recovers Crusader fumbled punt . . . for the WARRIORS, oh yeah!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:01:05 PM
Smith on the keeper converts a 4th and short in Crusader territory to keep the drive alive . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:07:04 PM
4th and ten and Lycoming fails to convert - ball over on downs to Susquehanna with 2:00 to go in the half . . .

first and ten on their own 20 yd line.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:12:08 PM
Lyco holds them and on the ensuing kick - a boomer - Mangold fields and jukes all over the place - resulting in the usual block in the back penalty.

49 seconds on the clock

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:13:55 PM
It appears that Coach G is playing for the second half as there are only 12 seconds to go and Laky carries for a short gain and the half ends with the score tied:

LYCOMING WARRIORS - 7

SUSQUEHANNA CRUSDADERS - 7

Go Warriors #250 is within thirty minutes of play!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 12, 2005, 02:17:25 PM
Lyco80...
In the end zone behind Habitat table
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:20:00 PM
Simba,

Wish I could find you but I am in my study in Norfolk, VA as I could not get anyone to ride up with me and my wife is 8 weeks pregnant and needs me around for help with the 3 yr old.

I wish I could be with you, pal, share a Ying and talk about life . . .

Not sure about Japan orders now - the baby may alter the destination somewhat.

Please give Rob and Coach G my best if you see them . . .

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 12, 2005, 02:23:55 PM
Will do Sir...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:42:36 PM
Susquehanna marches down the field and executes a field goal to take a 10-7 lead . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:45:25 PM
Laky carries forward and fumbles - some think not - and Susquehanna recovers on Lycoming 31 yd line

DEFENSE!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:48:35 PM
Lycoming Defense stops them and now O-line must produce
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 02:59:16 PM
Ugghhhh another INT for Susquehanna in the red zone as Lycoming fritters away another scoring opportunity . . .

Flags on the play following the INT and return . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:00:05 PM
Offsetting penalties
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:14:04 PM
IC loses to Cortland State in OT as IC is intercepted on their possession

37-30 Cortland State to keep the jug

Wow - what a game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:17:24 PM
LYCO D again stops Susquehanna - it is now up to the O to do something.

Flag on punt - re-kick:  time for some special team magic Lycoming.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
3rd and ten and not much that is offensive about the Warrior Offense, today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:21:13 PM
Widener and DVC tied at 21 - must be some game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:27:19 PM
Lycoming 4th and 8 with about 8:40 in the game - Lycoming punt team on the field - Defense must score if the Warriors are to have a chance

Great kick - ball on the Susquehanna 3 yard line

The table is set D - turnover time.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:32:03 PM
D holds them and Warriors get the ball back on a punt - flag goes against LYCO and they are moved back after a nice return

Coach G and the crowd feel very strongly otherwise

This might be the last possession for the Warriors.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:34:48 PM
Warriors on the move - at the Susquehanna 27 with 2:00 to go in the game

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:35:35 PM
Smith scrambles and finds Jeremy Ebert on the 14 yd line as he catches the ball and slides out of bounds - stopping the clock.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:36:25 PM
Another nail-biter in a string of nail biters . . . last four games won by 9 points - not the blowouts of the past - but W's nonetheless.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:38:12 PM
Smith keeps it to the 10 yard line - 3rd and 6 as the clock runs (1:00)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:38:35 PM
Coach G takes second timeout
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:40:36 PM
Smith pressed hard and swarmed over by defenders and throws the ball incomplete

Field goal team out on the field - 27 yard attempt

Last timeout called by Lycoming

Sheeeeeeeshhhhhh!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:41:51 PM
27 yard attempt by Lycoming and it is good!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:42:39 PM
Now, what will happen in the remaining 51 seconds?  Will Susquehanna attempt to move the ball?  Will there be a turnover?  Will any of you care? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:45:17 PM
Susquehanna takes a knee - lets the clock run down - leaving OT at David Person field - without lights too.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:50:35 PM
Lycoming on O first - Smith on the keeper gets the first down to the 14 yd line
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:51:03 PM
Laky carries to the 10 for a gain of four
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:51:56 PM
Glenn Smith scores the TD on third play of OT

PAT is critical
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:52:50 PM
PAT is good - now it is the LYCOMING D's turn

Lycoming 17

Susquehanna 10
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:54:12 PM
Third down play
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:54:50 PM
Fourth and 5 for Susquehanna with the game on the line.

Great stop by Luke Sterling . . .

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 03:58:02 PM
Pass incomplete - LYCOMING WINS!

Coach G gets to 250 wins!

Guess those who predicted Lycoming's team would just fold up their tent and give up and lose the rest of the season were wrong.

Warriors go to 6-4 overall and defeated a nationally ranked Ithaca team - not too shabby for a team that supposedly has a fork stuck in them!

Way to go, lads.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 12, 2005, 06:14:19 PM
Del Val 36 Widner 21!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way to go Aggies! Great game by Silver and Porter on D and Marshall on O!!! Oh and btw nice sportsmanship once again by Widner.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 12, 2005, 06:42:26 PM
maAggie..don't start that again...there was 1 player who didn't shake hands and ran to the door of his lockeroom(snicker) only for it to be LOCKED! it was waaaaaaaaaay too funny..him ranting and raving and cursing for someone to let him in! sometimes things have a way of kicking ya in da butt! ( still laughing about it myself) other then that I didnt see anything else.

Way to go Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 12, 2005, 08:18:38 PM
Ok...Joe Paterno, Eddie Robinson, Bobby Bowden, Pop Warner, Amos Alonzo Stagg, John Gagliardi...You can now add Frank Girardi to that distinguished list of NCAA Football Coaching Legends...250 Wins in 34 years covering four decades of coaching excellence...G, you know I speak for many of your former players when I say Congratulations on achieving this milestone...We're all honored to have played for you....Curry, Wise, Weber, Dr. B, Jerry, Frank jr and AC...You're the team within the team that made this happen...Congratulations also and enjoy the moment...Very few coaches in America get the opportunity to work with a Legend every Fall...Simba

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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 08:23:27 PM
Simba,

Well said, my friend, and sorry I could not be with you today to revel in the milestone accomplishment of the man, the staff, the program, and of course, this edition of the Warriors!

I only wish I was at the house having some pasta with players across the spectrum of years.

Thanks for your always good posts.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2005, 08:29:25 PM
By the way - for any of you mathematically inclined posters - Coach G's wins work out to 7.35 per year - not too shabby at all.

Congrats to DVC, Wilkes and Widener on very good years. 

The MAC continues to be a bruising conference that tears itself apart week after week.  I sometimes wonder if all the league struggle doesn't weaken whoever represents us in the NCAA contest.  It may be a bias, but it appears that many other leagues send the same handful of teams every year perhaps indicating a lack of parity in their schedules.  I only know this - to win the MAC - and to do it undefeated - takes guts, guile and talent.  But the struggle to get the crown often leaves the victor vulnerable to a first round NCAA let-down.

Go Aggies - all the way!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on November 12, 2005, 09:11:01 PM
Dont worry bro, the fork will be stuck even further.  I love how you crow about a 6-4 season.  Must be tough to swallow after so many years of winning a lot of games.

The fork in Lyco will be dug even further next year and the year after.  If you think kids from the Philly area are driving by DVC, Widener, and the sparkling new facilities at Albright to play in Williamsport, you have another thing coming.  Good luck spreading the Scranton talent pool with Wilkes and Kings.

Lycomings slide has begun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 12, 2005, 09:53:02 PM
A big congrats to Juniata for their first win...nice job guys. The team players, coaches, fans and supporters are a real class act, both before and after the game last week, DVC vs Juniata....Good luck next year.

Patron2...Everything is cyclical...Lycos time will come again, even with all of your negativity....you should get a life and go vent your venom there...really, no one wants to hear how much you dislike any team.
Lyco had a tough year and they are never an easy "W".
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on November 12, 2005, 10:28:41 PM
Billman56,

sorry to bust your bubble but FDU won not Juniata. Read the press release. I saw it on the scoreboard too and was disapointed at first. FDU looked better this year. Making progress. Possibly over .500 next year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2005, 12:37:04 AM
Wonder which one of the schools reported the score. We never hear from Juniata, so that isn't likely.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 13, 2005, 08:03:46 AM
I do not normally do this sort of thing, however:  Pat, I realize we are on the eve of playoff brackets and the like but why is Coach G's 250th victory receiving so little press?  I suppose if Lycoming were the cream of the MAC this year and on their way to the NCAA's it would be a better and bigger story.  Regardless, it is a lifetime accomplishment that is clearly due some attention and yet I see not a mention of it on the D3 web site other than some random postings from guys like me.

Naturally, victory has many parents while defeat usually remains an orphan.

In the words of O'Reilly:  "What say you?"

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: UNION 82 on November 13, 2005, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 13, 2005, 08:03:46 AM
I do not normally do this sort of thing, however:  Pat, I realize we are on the eve of playoff brackets and the like but why is Coach G's 250th victory receiving so little press?  I suppose if Lycoming were the cream of the MAC this year and on their way to the NCAA's it would be a better and bigger story.  Regardless, it is a lifetime accomplishment that is clearly due some attention and yet I see not a mention of it on the D3 web site other than some random postings from guys like me.

Naturally, victory has many parents while defeat usually remains an orphan.

In the words of O'Reilly:  "What say you?"

All the best.


CONGRATS LYCO,

UNION 82 normally does not do this either, but U82 believes Pat and the other D-3 site keepers have been "a bit busy" since 5:00 PM yesterday.

Most of the pages to the site weren't accessible SAT night due to traffic. I'm sure they wil get to it.

It certainly is an honor well worth mentioning, and is an honor to all who have contributed to the long-term success as well, coaches, players, fans as well.
CONGRATS AGAIN. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 13, 2005, 12:26:26 PM
I will certainly have some recognition of the accomplishment this week in my column...but whatever you do, don't ask Pat Coleman to put something on the site today about it.

This weekend is the number one weekend of the year for traffic on the website.  Pat Coleman is in Bristol, CT preparing for his appearance on ESPN's selection show.  Predicting the brackets is tougher this year because there are more variables to consider with more teams. 

And beyond that...250 is one thing...but John Gagliardi has triple the wins plus some.  This isn't exactly a record or anything.  Frank Girardi has done some great things at Lyco, and congrats for the milestone.

If it happened on another weekend, expect more play.  That being said...it was the main sports story in the Williamsport Sun Gazette...

http://www.sungazette.com/articles.asp?articleID=330
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 13, 2005, 12:37:05 PM
Despite MaAggie5's comments regarding good sportsmanship in the Widener/Del Val game, I will contend the sarcasm...

Not a single personal foul, unsportsmanlike conduct, late hit, unnecessary roughness...the line for the postgame handshake stretched across the field. 

If there were one or two players who evaded the handshake, so be it - but for the heated rivalry that this game tends to be, Gordon and I remarked at how clean it was.  A good testament to both coaches and their teams.

And if someone wants to come on and say so and so was talking smack throughout the game, go ahead and do so...but find me a game where that really doesn't happen...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Rolevio on November 13, 2005, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: patcummings on November 13, 2005, 12:26:26 PM
I will certainly have some recognition of the accomplishment this week in my column...but whatever you do, don't ask Pat Coleman to put something on the site today about it.

This weekend is the number one weekend of the year for traffic on the website.  Pat Coleman is in Bristol, CT preparing for his appearance on ESPN's selection show.  Predicting the brackets is tougher this year because there are more variables to consider with more teams. 

And beyond that...250 is one thing...but John Gagliardi has triple the wins plus some.  This isn't exactly a record or anything.  Frank Girardi has done some great things at Lyco, and congrats for the milestone.

If it happened on another weekend, expect more play.  That being said...it was the main sports story in the Williamsport Sun Gazette...

http://www.sungazette.com/articles.asp?articleID=330

In addition, Guru also mentioned on the LL board that the servers crashed last yesterday as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 13, 2005, 12:41:40 PM
maAggie
If you want to point out the negative in every situation becareful.  Please do not start with any talk about the sportsmanship. It was a great football game with each team leaving it all on the field. There was one WU player who choose to go directly to the lockerroom because he was to upset. One coach followed him to make sure that there was not any problems.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BomberJeff on November 13, 2005, 01:26:40 PM
Delaware Valley gets to host Curry (no surprise there), but Wilkes makes it in for a first round match against Rowan.

Congrats to both, and good luck in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 13, 2005, 01:30:10 PM
Congrats to both DVC and Wilkes for selection into the NCAA East Region playoffs.

Here's to you both having a deep run into the playoffs and showing others the true grit of the MAC.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 13, 2005, 01:32:43 PM
WOW!!!...The Colonels get it!!!...TWO REP's FROM THE LEAGUE SOME HAVE DECIDED TO LEAVE...Go Aggies & Go Wilkes...Represent the MAC well!!!...Simba

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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 13, 2005, 02:20:50 PM
Congrats to DVC and Wilkes for making the field of 32!!!!  While DVC had the AQ and was not a surprse, the WILKES addition was awesome to see!!!  Here's hoping that both teams represent our MAC Conference well!!!

Wilkes - pummel ROWAN!!!!  We're counting on you!

DVC - destroy CURRY!!!!  Take it deep into the playoffs this year!!

Let's give the WEST something to think about and earn some respect here in the EAST!!!  Go MAC!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HouseCalls on November 13, 2005, 08:50:21 PM
Man I remember when Del Val couldn't even catch a cold :o and now look where they are at, the playoffs. Well, congrats to Del Val and their coaching staff! 

One the greatest coaches ever to coach in the MAC wins his 250 VICTORY ;D Congrats to this short Italian man.  You keep on winning "G" Coach Girardi
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 14, 2005, 08:50:06 AM
What a great weekend for the MAC. Two teams in the Dance. Maybe the conference can finally start to get some  respect. Good Luck to both.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 14, 2005, 08:57:42 AM
WUDLINE:

Say what? Over the years, the MAC has certainly received its fair share of respect.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 14, 2005, 09:22:23 AM
Congrats to Wilkes for sneaking into the D3 tournament. Welcome to the BORO and be prepared for a long day of pain and punishment football. Just ask Del Val what it's like.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 14, 2005, 09:57:38 AM
Dr

Normally I would just smite you for that comment, but since you're a likeable guy...I'll let that go....

PS that comment might offend the 2 Wilkes posters on this board...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 14, 2005, 10:23:29 AM
Smite if you must, cuz I really don't care. I don't lose any sleep at night because of my rating. As for those 2 Wilkes posters, time to come out and play!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on November 14, 2005, 12:29:16 PM
Congrats to Wilkes on getting a bid.  I hope they do well so no more MAC teams ranked in the nation, but second in the conference ever have to sit at home again.

Here's to Wilkes, but here's to Widener, Lycoming, etc who had great teams but were overlooked.

Lyco is done tho...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 14, 2005, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: patron2 on October 08, 2005, 08:42:02 PM
What position will the bulletin board play for Lyco?  Or maybe the bulletin board could coach???

Lyco is done.  Those kids are gonna pack it in just like they did last year.

patron2

While I am proud of my positive karma points I am obliged to point out your previous posting was in gravely in error.  "Those kids" did not, in fact, "pack it in just like they did last year."  Instead, they found a way each week to win - including a tough OT win against nationally ranked IC.

For the record, my crowing about Lycoming's 6-4 record begain only after you felt called to slight them.  After your pronouncement, they managed to run off five wins in a row and showed some true character when that was all they had left to prove.

But, like the song says, "there are none so blind as those who will not see."

By the way - despite ranting against Lycoming, who do you root for?

I say good luck Wilkes and DVC in the NCAAs.

Lastly, this D3 bulletin board is a very imprecise science that permits anyone to pop off about anything.  Therefore, I think it behooves us to consider not only the content but the tone of postings and how foolish we might look later on for making such radical pronouncements that ultimately reveal how access to a computer does not necessarily mean we are well-informed.

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2005, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. xGSC on November 14, 2005, 09:22:23 AM
Congrats to Wilkes for sneaking into the D3 tournament. Welcome to the BORO and be prepared for a long day of pain and punishment football. Just ask Del Val what it's like.

you can ask linfield too, they might have an idea.  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 14, 2005, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: jonny utah on November 14, 2005, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. xGSC on November 14, 2005, 09:22:23 AM
Congrats to Wilkes for sneaking into the D3 tournament. Welcome to the BORO and be prepared for a long day of pain and punishment football. Just ask Del Val what it's like.

you can ask linfield too, they might have an idea.  :D

Linfield has never been to the BORO JO!!  Maybe the results would differ if they did.  Hopefully, your boys (IC) will make a trip down to S. Jersey. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2005, 07:02:00 PM
Yea Rowan probably would have won like 35-6 I bet if the game was played there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on November 14, 2005, 08:02:11 PM
What do you Widner fans think about the game this Sat against Montclair ? What are the facilities at Widner like. I hear this board is the place for negative Karma, so I'm told.

LET'S  GO  MIGHTY  RED  HAWKS  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HouseCalls on November 14, 2005, 09:28:12 PM
Patron2 to say Lyco is done come on, every dynasty falls but eventually they will rebuild again.  Lycoming College Football really put MAC football on the map in the late 80s and the 90s. Hell coach G has more wins by himself than a lot of other programs do in the MAC.  Lyco represented the MAC twice in the Stagg Bowl and a lot of playoff appearances. So the great one ,Girardi, will have his program back.  A person with his experience, you never count him and his team out. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 14, 2005, 09:55:38 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on November 14, 2005, 08:02:11 PM
What do you Widner fans think about the game this Sat against Montclair ? What are the facilities at Widner like. I hear this board is the place for negative Karma, so I'm told.


LET'S  GO  MIGHTY  RED  HAWKS  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'd say don't go on the E8 board unless you want bad Karma...I got -4 on one fact I expressed after we beat Ithaca...Tough crowd...  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2005, 12:32:58 AM
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Quote
i'd say don't go on the E8 board unless you want bad Karma...I got -4 on one fact I expressed after we beat Ithaca...Tough crowd...  :)
Quote

Funny, I have never observed you to have bad karma in more than twenty years of knowing you.  Maybe it was just the shock of losing to a team they might have been looking past?

Regardless, they are a witty, knowledgeable but brutal bunch to one another.

All the best.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 15, 2005, 08:32:30 AM
First and foremost congrats DelVal and Wilkes for getting into the dance. I wish you both only the best of luck. And Ill be at the Wilkes game Saturday.

After witnessing the horrendous performance of Widener and DelVal Saturday I think DelVal is gonna have a tough time in the post season. Their lack of a power running game will hurt them, however they have been there before and know what it takes to win.

I think Wilkes has a good chance to shock Rowan this week. Wilkes is very strong up front on both sides of the ball and very physical. I think they will pound the ball and control the clock. If they can keep it close they have a chance.

Good luck MAC teams this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on November 15, 2005, 08:46:01 AM
I dont think that the climate is the same for Lyco any more.  The things that Coach G was able to do to build his program 30 years ago, will not work anymore.

Other teams in the conference have made as big or bigger commitment to their facilities.

Other teams in the conference have made as big or bigger commitment to the recruiting.

Other teams in the conference have made as big or bigger commitment to their coaches salaries.

Other teams in the conference are closer to the talent pool of the Philly area.

Coach G is a product of timing, not coaching talent.  He got into the game when it was ripe for the picking, so he gets credit for that.  But for him to rebuild Lycoming into a national power again?  I just dont see it happening with so many other teams stepping up.  The recruits will be spread a little thinner.  The location of the school will be a bigger factor.  The facilities Lycoming has arent as shiny and new as they once were.

The Jones' have caught up to Lyco.  It is just not the same place that it once was, except for the arrogance from its fans, coaches, and players.




Quote from: HouseCalls on November 14, 2005, 09:28:12 PM
Patron2 to say Lyco is done come on, every dynasty falls but eventually they will rebuild again.  Lycoming College Football really put MAC football on the map in the late 80s and the 90s. Hell coach G has more wins by himself than a lot of other programs do in the MAC.  Lyco represented the MAC twice in the Stagg Bowl and a lot of playoff appearances. So the great one ,Girardi, will have his program back.  A person with his experience, you never count him and his team out. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2005, 08:49:58 AM
patron2:

Just out of curiosity, do you have hard evidence to back up your claims above?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 15, 2005, 12:12:22 PM
The E8 posters a humorless lot. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Naked Nott Run on November 15, 2005, 12:14:19 PM
UTah, JT... what is up with the haters on the E8 stealing all my karma like it was their's... damn I am tired of it
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2005, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2005, 08:49:58 AM
patron2:

Just out of curiosity, do you have hard evidence to back up your claims above?



patron2 - concur w/ WT

As a member of the Lycoming College alumni board I know that of which I write:

Let me reiterate - during the timespan you cite - Lycoming added a new gymnasium, recreational center complete with indoor track, and much-improved football and soccer complex - the latter with turf field.  So much for facilities.  (By the way - a new facility campaign is in the offing too with significant millions of dollars already pledged).

Rob Curry, Assistant AD, continues to recruit across the NJ-PA-NY spectrum as always, and is making inroads into MD - so much for recruiting.

The school has not moved in its proximity from Philly or South Jersey or anywhere else in nearly 200 years.  Despite that, student-athletes somehow manage to make the arduous and long trek to Williamsport every year from Philly and elsewhere.  I noticed many cars in the parking lot at Lycoming too so somebody must be able to stomach the ride up the northeast extension from Philly and South Jersey.

Did you know, for a fact, that there is a 500 mile radius that college administrators know is nearly inviolate for student matriculation?  Therefore, since research indicates that students will attend colleges within a 500 mile radius - and Williamsport is clearly within that arc for the areas you cite - your concern regarding the distance and passing other schools is debunked.

Granted, other schools have improved - some significantly - as in the case of DVC.  However, Widener has always been a MAC power and Albright and Wilkes always very tough opponents regardless of everything you point out.  This is more an ebb and flow than a hard and fast trend.  Besides, if Lycoming were to implode tomorrow the football team's record of accomplishment would still be striking.

Naturally, I am proud of my alma mater, but pride does not blind me to acknowledge the accomplishments of DVC, Wilkes and Widener, especially DVC, recently. 
 
If you take the long view you will see that MAC teams and others rise and fall.  For instance, Western Maryland, aka McDaniel, used to be a terror but has lately fallen on hard times.  Maybe they are too far from Philly also?

As if all this were not enough, and it should be:

the college endowment grew from 17 million dollars to 116 million dollars, the college has an extremely small student faculty ratio, 90% of the students receive financial aid, the college is ranked with 100 other top schools with the highest bond rating (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Williams, etc), 90% of all faculty are at their terminal degree point - meaning that Lycoming enjoys a tremenduous ratio of Ph.D to instructor ratio ensuring that you sit under accomplished instructors not graduate students.  Need I go on?

The MAC board breathlessly awaits your reasoned reply.

However, since to date you only seem to be able to muster opinions . . .  (please feel free to finish this anyway you choose).

And besides ranting - you still have not declared who you root for. 

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 15, 2005, 01:45:26 PM
NNR,

Some people who journey on to post patterns take opinions posted as personal affronts.   It seems to affect certain boards more than others: NWC, OAC, E8, NJAC sometimes.  That's why the LL is so much fun. If they know they are getting under your skin, they'll make a concerted effort to drive that person nuts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Naked Nott Run on November 15, 2005, 02:02:12 PM
yeah i just took -3 more in 2 minutes...the fun times are over for nNR
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: guyman on November 15, 2005, 02:39:26 PM
Good Luck to Moravian in the ECAC Playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 15, 2005, 03:01:45 PM
-2 on our own board now...I'm starting to feel like I work for the Bush Administration...  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 15, 2005, 03:16:04 PM
 I feel like I should weigh in on this conversation about Lyco's demise between Lyco80 and patron2.  My son, a Freshman @ lyco was on Juniata's, Susquehanna's, LVC's, Albright's, Bloom's, and Ship's radar coming out of school.  All quality schools in their own regard, some alittle better academically, some alittle better facilities,some good in football, some good in Basketball, some good in Baseball.  My son qualified for acceptance in all those schools, but chose lyco.  HE'S REASONING- Lyco just felt right, because so many things were similiar in nature and we compared, and crunch numbers, analyzed everything.  We do have Family that attend some of those other schools I mentioned so we had an insiders view of their schools.  My son couldn't be happier with his decision, and after the way the team finished up with 5 in a row, there's no their done.  Good Football players, in good academic standing are still choosing lyco over other schools.  So what if there not getting most of the kids out of the Catholic league in philly.  Plenty of ball players around, would love to see lyco make a bigger push in Dist.3 (Mid-Penn).  Patron 2 your arguement doesn't hold water, no dynasty has lasted forever, NONE!  Patron-where did all this hate come from?  No one hugged you when you where little?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 15, 2005, 03:18:25 PM
no time to proof-sorry
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2005, 03:41:37 PM
Hmmmmm ... I see that Widener, some of whose fans and ex-players have recently heaped contumely on the ECAC Championship Bowls, is in fact hosting one such contest. Apparently no slaps in the face this time around ....  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 15, 2005, 04:09:02 PM
 >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2005, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: Chum Slam on November 15, 2005, 08:32:30 AM
First and foremost congrats DelVal and Wilkes for getting into the dance. I wish you both only the best of luck. And Ill be at the Wilkes game Saturday.

After witnessing the horrendous performance of Widener and DelVal Saturday I think DelVal is gonna have a tough time in the post season. Their lack of a power running game will hurt them, however they have been there before and know what it takes to win.

I think Wilkes has a good chance to shock Rowan this week. Wilkes is very strong up front on both sides of the ball and very physical. I think they will pound the ball and control the clock. If they can keep it close they have a chance.

Good luck MAC teams this week.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2005, 04:38:10 PM
Chum,

No disrespect intended, merely trying to attempt another way of post-quoting.

I agree about Wilkes - they played a very physical brand of football at Lycoming during the homecoming game.  They seemed to tire in the second half or Lycoming made the necessary adjustments.  However, throughout the contest the were aggressive and relentless.

I think we may be pleased with the way the Colonels represent the MAC - but I could be wrong.

Thanks for the post jb.  Perhaps I can meet your son when next I am on campus.

All the best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 15, 2005, 04:48:29 PM
widener is facing a good team for the third straight week,  this ecac game surely will be an excelent chance to end the season on a high note.  8-3 sure would look alot better than 7-4.  good luck to widener, wilkes, and del val.   the mac looks as if its evolving into one of the top confrences in the nation.  big week guys!!!  3-0

this bid is no slap in the face, obviously.  its a great chance to play another opponent from a confrence that they had rarely ever played against.  however; if widener was facing another mac team, that they had already taken care of, it would be stupid to play.  just make it a jv game for the younger players.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 15, 2005, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Naked Nott Run on November 15, 2005, 12:14:19 PM
UTah, JT... what is up with the haters on the E8 stealing all my karma like it was their's... damn I am tired of it

NNR, if you have around -5 to +5 kharma thats a good thing.  It means you have the balls to speak your mind.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gobombers on November 15, 2005, 04:56:44 PM
He's been complaining about it all day.

Low Karma is to the LL posters, what the spelling IthIca is to Ithaca posters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2005, 04:57:35 PM
zoolander:

While the MAC is not, overall, on a level with, say, the OAC or the ASC, it has never been one of the "low" football conferences.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2005, 05:01:21 PM
jonny utah:

It's one thing to "have the balls to speak your mind." It's an altogether different thing to spout nonsense, insult, and wallow in other great shame and vice ....  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 15, 2005, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2005, 05:01:21 PM
jonny utah:

It's one thing to "have the balls to speak your mind." It's an altogether different thing to spout nonsense, insult, and wallow in other great shame and vice ....  :P

You are right Warren!!! but from -5 to 5 isnt that bad.  Here is how I see it.

Kharma Scale

+50 Kharma or above- Pat Coleman or another administrators that people are afraid to smite because they think d3football.com people will find out about it and do bad things to them.  They will roam every board on postpatterns, gaining respect and fear from posters across the land.

+20 to +40 Kharma-These are the types of guys that have funny comments, witty posts, sarcastic responces to unfunny posts, and a general positive mood on the board.  About 25% of their posts are actually about football, and 75% of thier posts are on one board.

+5 to +20 Kharma These are the guys who are pretty funny, generally positive and who usually know quite a bit about football and will bring up good points in discussions on the boards.  They won't kiss ass, but they won't spew ignorance either.

-5 to +5 Kharma  These are the dirtdogs of d3football.com.  They arent afraid of pointing out stupid posts.  They will antoganize posters that deserve it.  They have the time to go back to september posts from other posters to point out stupid things they said.  They will often go to other boards to look for stupid things people say and then laugh at them.  They aren't nice, but they bring the goods.  They speak the truth even though the truth hurts.  And they will be in your face about it.  A cocky lot this group is.

-25 to -5 Kharma  These are the cavemen of d3football.com.  They spew negative posts like snow in a blizzard.  They put down other posters.  They put down teams.  They blame every loss their team has on field conditions or injuries.  They usually whine and instead of bringing up facts or stats to back up their arguments they say things like "I heard [your team here]s quarterback is gay".  They rarely apologize about stupid things they say, and their posts 95 percent of the time are about other posters and not football.

-25 Kharma or below These are the people who have an agenda.  They want to get a coach fired.  They want to bring up personal things about people on the website.  They rub it in your face if thier team is good and disapear when their team is gone.  They will make up fake email adresses and get more fake usernames.  They are a sorry bunch of characters who might be unemployed and spend their time thinking about how to find out where "montclairfan99" lives so they can mail them dead fish and rotten eggs.  This is a lot to avoid at all costs
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gobombers on November 15, 2005, 05:34:14 PM
One of the best things I have read in a while JU!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 15, 2005, 07:24:22 PM
one of the dumbest things i've ever read-- JO :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2005, 07:38:12 PM
JU,

And yet, within three posts, your points are so eloquently made.

Touche', mon frer!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 15, 2005, 08:24:24 PM
Nice write-up on the Wilkes site previewing this weekend's game with Rowan.  I see Wilkes doesn't give up many points per game.  Therefore, I'd like to know why they gave up so many points to 2-8 Susquehanna  ??? did the "D" stay on the sidelines??  Curious??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on November 15, 2005, 09:13:42 PM
Yes - Wilkes had their 2nd D in for most of the 4th Qt and Susquehanna kept the 1st O in till almost the end
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 15, 2005, 09:53:11 PM
Makes sense Griz.  Should be an interesting game Sat.  GOOD LUCK!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HouseCalls on November 15, 2005, 10:33:39 PM
Patron2,
Did some girl turn you down at Lyco?  :P or Did Lyco reject you as a football player?  Maybe this patron2 has a learning disorder, please go to the Lycoming College website and have someone orally read the content to you.  I believe the sight words are probably giving you trouble. ;D When Lyco was good, there was more players from other PIAA schools than from philly.  So Lyco gets their recruits from other areas beside philly. This boy is SILLY! Here is a tissue to wipe your tears because those nasty Lyco fans and players have hurt your feelings. Patron2, you can talk about your feelings, the post pattern community will help you through your tough times.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 15, 2005, 10:49:12 PM
Good luck to Widener and Moravian on your ECAC games! 
Let's win and do the MAC proud!!!!   
;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
The MAC will be rooting for you!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 15, 2005, 11:01:24 PM
Grizzman:

Good to have a Wilkes fan aboard.  Invite your friends to join the Post Patterns community -- we need more of you guys.

And good luck to Matt this weekend. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 16, 2005, 08:22:19 AM
Good luck to the MAC schools this Weekend.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 16, 2005, 11:59:41 AM
ahhh....back from 2 weeks in hawaii, who went to the dvc/widener game and can give a recap?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 16, 2005, 12:06:11 PM
I was there.Widener had 6 turnovers, DelVal had 1 I believe. Widener had 3 good long drives to score, DelVal ran a double pass for a TD and a bomb hail mary type pass for a TD. It was a very ugly game on both sides. Widener would drive the field but just could not convert it into points. It was tied up for most of the game until DelVal went ahead by 13 with about 4 minutes left.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 16, 2005, 12:13:38 PM
wow johnny,  that was an excelent analysis on the whole karma ratings. im gona  head to the njac board and tell them how good they are. u know like kiss some ass to build up my karma points.  ha ha jk!

del val vs. widener,    recap

very sloppy with turnovers, i think about 8 in the first half.
score was close and the lead changed multiple times thoughout the game.  del val sealed the victory after a late touchdown followed by a safty.  :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on November 16, 2005, 12:18:45 PM
spell check, oooops.  through out, safety  :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 16, 2005, 01:39:35 PM
way to go aggies on another undefeated regular season very impressive for the alma mater!!! now hopefully another run in the playoffs!!! good luck to wilkes and widener in their games as well, and to the entire mac on another stellar season is certainly is not an easy division to win in which in my mind makes dvc's accomplishments all the more impressive.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2005, 04:26:36 PM
Widener had four turnovers while DVC had 2.

Steve Fumble at WU 43
Knoblauch intercepted by Todd Fairle, returned to Del Val 31
Lomas intercepted by Justin Porter at Widener 2 (Porter scored)
Prothro fumble at WU 36
Lomas intercepted by Porter at WU 46
Lomas fumble at DVC 17


DVC did score on a 64-yard double pass, but had 396 yards of offense otherwise.  Widener had 327.

WU's scores came on drives of 31, 25 and 79 yards.  The first was set up by Fairle's INT.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on November 16, 2005, 05:18:48 PM
gordonmann:

thanks for the invite and the good wishes. I don't like to post due to the fact I have a son playing, however I am an avid reader and you guys provide much insight, entertainment, absurdity, and support to the teams you follow and the MAC in general. I like the fact that 99.9% of the posts are positive towards the players and teams and most of the b#*@  bustin is directed at each other.



I'll speak to some of the Wilkes folks about the forum.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 16, 2005, 05:48:07 PM
Grizzman, their are alot of parents that post   :)
welcome aboard. Good luck to your son and the team!

Good luck Del Val and Wilkes!

Go MAC!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 16, 2005, 06:08:47 PM
hey Grizzman,     welcome aboard, there are plenty of parents and many with no agendas, just want to talk football and enjoy different view.  Good luck to your son and wilkes the w/e.  Hopefully the MAC goes 3-0 this weekend ! ....and this from a LYCO fan (and parent).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 16, 2005, 07:50:40 PM
DVC Widener Recap:

DVC36-Widener21
DVC 455 total yds of offense
WU 327 total yds of offense

DVC 194 yds rushing on 45 attmt
WU 163 yds rushing on 32 attmt

DVC 261 yds passing 41 attmt
WU 164 yds passing 29 attmt

Time of possession:
DVC 38.35
WU 21.25

3rd down conversions:
DVC 7/18
WU 3/13

Turnovers:
DVC 1 fumble 2 INT's
WU 2 fumbles 2 INT's

FG attempts
DVC 0/1 blocked
WU 0/1 hit upright

Very intense game both defenses were tough but DVC had 3 sacks vs. 0 for WU.  Widener opened the scoring setup by a Knoblauch INT.
DVC 0 - WU 7
Then DVC scored off an INT by Justin Porter.
DVC 7 - WU 7
DVC's second TD was set up by a fumble
DVC 14 - WU 7 (stayed that way at the half)

WU starts scoring in 3rd after a Knoblauch INT.
DVC 14 - WU 14

DVC took the kick off and scored on the big play Knoblauch to Cook to Knoblauch to Carmon 64 yard TD play.
DVC 21 - WU 14 (at end of 3)

WU then had 3 play 79 yd TD score
DVC 21 - WU 21

DVC then scored on two sustained drives of 11 plays for 66 yds (missed PAT) and 11 plays 64 yds.

Final score was an Anthony Silver sack for a safety.

Great game and DVC was never really in danger of losing as they answered each time WU threatened!

DVC was clearly the best team in the conference this year and certainly won their games easier than last season.

Wilkes is a tough team and should give RU a tough game. It would be great to see them come out of it with the Win.

Good luck DVC vs Curry!

Go AGGIES!!!!








Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LVCALUM on November 17, 2005, 12:40:26 PM
All I keep reading about is how Wilkes is the worst team in the playoffs and shouldn't have been invited.  Those who have played against Wilkes over the years know that this is a team that plays tough, hard-nosed football.  THough I have not seen them play, I am sure this year's team is no exception.  It's about time that two teams from the MAC were chosen to make the playoffs.  I am sure that both DVC and Wilkes will represent the conference well.  Good luck to the Aggies and the Colonels.

 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 17, 2005, 12:48:25 PM
I must agree with you LVC Wilkes is a very worthy apponant and if RU takes them for granted they'll be in for a very long afternoon! Good luck Wilkes.

Go AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2005, 01:24:40 PM
Quote from: LVCALUM on November 17, 2005, 12:40:26 PM
All I keep reading about is how Wilkes is the worst team in the playoffs and shouldn't have been invited. 

Don't confuse "last team in" with "worst team in" -- Wilkes got the last at-large bid but they are not the worst team in the playoffs. They would beat Curry and Lakeland for sure, maybe Johns Hopkins or Albion.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on November 17, 2005, 02:11:10 PM
Very true. Posters on other boards are suggesting they were "lucky" to get in when the truth is they were unlucky to be in the same conference as DVC this year otherwise they would have been the MAC champs receiving the automatic bid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2005, 02:27:42 PM
They were lucky to get in. They just aren't the worst team in the field.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 17, 2005, 03:34:17 PM
I wouldnt say they were lucky to get in they earned the right to get in other teams did not earn the right to get in.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on November 17, 2005, 04:21:21 PM
They werent lucky to get in, they were lucky the field was expanded by 4 teams. A few years ago 9-1 didnt get you in in the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2005, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: upbrmeasap on November 17, 2005, 03:34:17 PM
I wouldnt say they were lucky to get in they earned the right to get in other teams did not earn the right to get in.

Other teams did earn it as much as Wilkes, but not all were rewarded.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2005, 12:46:32 AM
Reminder...

PnG Sports will carry Saturday's first round playoff game live on the internet...

Delaware Valley College vs. Curry College

Live from Doylestown, PA on www.sportsjuice.com.

Pregame at 11:30 AM, kickoff at 12 PM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 18, 2005, 08:38:45 AM
>>>Other teams did earn it as much as Wilkes, but not all were rewarded.<<

Again I reiterate myself wilkes was not lucky to get in they earned the right to play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 18, 2005, 09:23:04 AM
I think we are all misunderstanding the use of the word lucky. It simply implies that alot of things had to go in Wilkes favor for them to get a bid. I do not think anyone is questioning the fact that they deserved to be there. In fact alot of people think they have a good shot at winning this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 18, 2005, 10:41:14 AM
Gordon Mann.....will you be including the playoff broadcasts in your annual CD??

Go Widener. Go Wilkes beat Rowan this weekend...all the best to you guys

Go Aggies!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 18, 2005, 11:20:18 AM
Thanks for the support Billman.  Should be a great week for the MAC Forecast calls for a clean sweep. Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2005, 11:48:59 AM
Billman:

Yes, I hope to.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 18, 2005, 04:47:00 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collegestudentathletes.com%2Fimages%2Fconferences%2Fmid_atlantic.jpg&hash=33dde68f6c99afa6088a5d5c82e6d1f891cbb5cf)

Go get'em this weekend boys!!!...Simba

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.devalcol.edu%2Fathletics%2Fimages%2Fphoto_football_front.jpg&hash=bc6146db758f0339235bc56de47b429e35d27687)(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wilkes.edu%2Fimages%2Fsports%2Fm_fb_left.jpg&hash=6e97b1c0dfde38f0690a404ddfdd12c373f62cb6)(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.widener.edu%2FSiteData%2FImages%2Ffootball%2F56a0b69ec2f91e3cf5322bdea11da641.jpg&hash=ecfbc0b93e6d4d03ccf079e5cbf2ccd644d9dbe4)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 18, 2005, 04:49:41 PM
Simba,

Great pics and graphic.

Do you plan on attending any of the playoff games?

I might break away if I knew I could tailgate with you somewhere closer to Norfolk.

I have no joy for the teams in this region/area.  It is such a joke to read about teams that get into the NCAAs with a 6-4 record with an AQ.  6-4 gets you third or fourth place in the MAC.

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 18, 2005, 05:00:54 PM
Simba,

Love the graphics!!!!

Go Aggies, Wilkes and Widener!

Mac Attack!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 18, 2005, 08:02:26 PM
Wow Simba!

If you keep this up, all of your negative karma will soon disappear  ;)

Have a great weekend everyone
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 18, 2005, 10:32:45 PM
I have been in a few other conference boards and the MAC attitude is the minority. I want to comment on how nice it is to see everyone in the MAC come together and support our teams in the post season. It is a tribute to everyone. We may battle and disagree during the season. However, It shows how much we respect the teams in this conference and want to see them and the conference do well.

Simba - Great pics.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 18, 2005, 11:00:53 PM
Isn't Moravian still part of the MAC and aren't they playing in an ECAC game tomorrow also??????

(how did that smiley with the question marks get in my post?  I didn't put it there.)

Great Pics Simba!!

Looking for a MAC sweep tomorrow!!!  GO MAC!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 18, 2005, 11:05:39 PM
Wudline -

I totally agree with your comments about the pulling together and positive support of this conference.  I've also read some of the other boards.  Some boards are very amusing with the subject matter often defering from football but many have a very negative overtone and rehash things to the nth degree. 

GO MAC!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 18, 2005, 11:07:51 PM
Quote from: D3Phan on November 18, 2005, 05:00:54 PM

Mac Attack!!!!

I like that!!!  Maybe that should be our motto for this playoff season.   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 19, 2005, 12:03:40 PM
Gordon-- like your "east" bracket pick, but I know your a big "MAC"er. ::)

At least we can agree on this:  "GO BLUE"!! ;) 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 19, 2005, 02:02:54 PM
Aggies and Curry all tied at 14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 19, 2005, 02:03:37 PM
Any score on WU/MSU??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on November 19, 2005, 02:28:17 PM
Ditto to AC'S question. Can't find any score on Montclair vs Widner.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 19, 2005, 02:29:57 PM
Dave-- I figured you to be at the game!!

NJAC looking good for the moment!!  Hope MSU keeps it going!! ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 19, 2005, 02:54:16 PM
DVC 30 - Curry 14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on November 19, 2005, 03:08:53 PM
AC,

Had a major plumbing problem. I figured it out, finished about 2:00PM. Fairy tales can come true. Told you so. ;D Hope the Mighty Red Hawks do as well. [/b] Congrats to the boys from Glassboro, you took care of business. That should be worth some negative karma, but I only spoke the truth. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: chesterlocal on November 19, 2005, 04:36:45 PM
My guys from Chester finally won one in post season....sounded like a good one, 27-18.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 19, 2005, 08:31:49 PM
Congrats to Widener and Moravian for your ECAC wins!!

Congrats to DVC on your win against Curry!!  Moving on to round 2.....STOMP HOBART!!!! ;D

Go MAC!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: the source on November 19, 2005, 11:47:59 PM
the mac teams are awful, there is no way there should be two teams from the mac in the playoffs!!, Del Val you guys are going to get your butts kicked again vs rowan just like wilkes did
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 20, 2005, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: the source on November 19, 2005, 11:47:59 PM
the mac teams are awful, there is no way there should be two teams from the mac in the playoffs!!, Del Val you guys are going to get your butts kicked again vs rowan just like wilkes did

Only time will tell.  Willy P didn't seem to have too hard of a time stomping Rowan.  One game at a time.   :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 20, 2005, 08:35:15 AM
For the record:

Yesterday there were four MAC teams in competition - 3 of the 4 were victorious on the field of play.

Can the NJAC say the same thing?

MAC Attack!

Go Aggies - thump Rowan!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 20, 2005, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: 4man on November 20, 2005, 12:01:52 AM
Only time will tell.  Willy P didn't seem to have too hard of a time stomping Rowan.  One game at a time.   :P

A one point upset does not constitute a stomping.  Its a blip,  a hiccup.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 20, 2005, 09:20:19 AM
Let's not count our chickens before they are hatched, we need to take care of business with Hobart before anyone can even think about Rowan!


Go Aggies !
Way to go Widener and Moravian!

Wilkes hold your heads up high, you went to the playoffs
be proud of your season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 20, 2005, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: JT on November 20, 2005, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: 4man on November 20, 2005, 12:01:52 AM
Only time will tell.  Willy P didn't seem to have too hard of a time stomping Rowan.  One game at a time.   :P

A one point upset does not constitute a stomping.  Its a blip,  a hiccup.

A win is a win and that win (yes, that hiccup) was like a stomping for Willy P.  To come out on top over a powerhouse like Rowan just goes to show that David CAN bring down Goliath.  Rowan is known as the beast of the east and they've earned that title.  They are a strong team with a powerful winning history but they are not unbeatable.

And yes, I agree, no counting chickens before they're hatched.  Both DVC and Rowan have formidable opponents to face this coming weekend which will then determine if this game will even be slated.

GO MAC!!   MAC ATTACK!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: the source on November 20, 2005, 10:45:37 AM
lyco

who cares about the other two teams in the mac that were playing.  it wasnt the playoffs, it is like the NIT pointless and nobody cares
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: cscs on November 20, 2005, 11:40:20 AM
Early line on the game at Frank Bailey next Sat.....UNION by 14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 20, 2005, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: cscs on November 20, 2005, 11:40:20 AM
Early line on the game at Frank Bailey next Sat.....UNION by 14

I think you got that backwards!!  Rowan is a 11.5 point favorite on the OAC pick em board. ;)

Lyco-- ncaa playoff 2005 records:  MAC 1-1 NJAC 1-1 (three points short of a "Double Monkey Stomp" by the NJAC on the "big" MAC) :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: cscs on November 20, 2005, 02:34:02 PM
All that proves is that the OAC knows nothing about Union
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 20, 2005, 04:40:06 PM
Dave looks like WU 27 MSU 18 !! 

AC - these are your words from a post on the NJAC page - guess the other ECAC games mattered enough for you to comment on them and add a frown face too.

MAC Attack!  Go Aggies!  Beat Rowan!!!

Oh, and just to keep the juices flowing a bit more - as if you needed any help -

I was there for the LYCO upset of Rowan in 1997 and how sweet it was to see the Profs sitting on the field after the game upon losing to a smash-mouth, sod-field, football team from the MAC.  They didn't even have any starters from DI of DII on the team!  I even heard the head coach took them to the Stagg Bowl site and assured them they would be playing their in December - oops!!!!

Granted LYCO got creamed by another powerhouse MT. UNION team the next week - but Rowan lost in Williamsport when it counted for them and they were ahead 21-0 at half time.

I still have the tape too - want to come over and view it with me?

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 20, 2005, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: the source on November 20, 2005, 10:45:37 AM
lyco

who cares about the other two teams in the mac that were playing.  it wasnt the playoffs, it is like the NIT pointless and nobody cares

If noboby cares - why do they keep score?

Go MAC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 20, 2005, 04:56:57 PM
Yeah !! I was posting the score for a MSU fan!!  And I wouldn't worry about a game played in 1997 cause its almost 2006.  However, I did listen to that game on the radio and it was probably one of the biggest homer officiated games I ever heard.  Rowan probably would have had a similar fate in facing the BIG PURPLE!!

Its hard for Rowan fans to respect the MAC after their last two games against RU.  Maybe, if the MAC would schedule more NJAC teams during the regular season, more respect would come from the NJAC and RU.

I'm hopeful that with the size of the MAC decreasing that more games can be made with NJAC teams to fill regular season schedules.  I believe Widener has a home and home with RU soon and it would be nice to see DVC or Lyco play some regular season games with the stronger teams in the NJAC.

Good turnaround this year for your boys!!  Honestly, I think Hobart is going to beat DVC, but if Rowan can beat Union; I would welcome a rematch this time @ DVC.  It's a short ride for RU.

Same to you.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 20, 2005, 05:06:28 PM
AC,

Good post, and frankly, I am surprised a bit especially since you have so much bad karma.

I agree that the changing composition of the MAC may make for more cross Delaware River games in the future. 

I will grant that NJAC has some good teams - mostly the usual suspects.  However, the MAC seems to be a rolling boil with someone always poised to break to the top.  Naturally there are a few programs always in the hunt for the crown - but it just seems to me that on average the NJAC cannot contend with the MAC league v. league.  Also - I grew up in NJ so I don't want you think I have a PA bias.

It will be interesting to monitor and see what happens next.

By the way - I listened to the Union game and those boys flat out bring it.  If RU hopes to win they will have to bring their "A" game.  IC is a good team and a great program and they were in a footrace they just could not win with the Dutchmen.

It will be interesting - particularly with the injuries - to see how the Profs fare this week.

All the best.  (not flippant - my signature line)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 21, 2005, 09:07:09 AM
Well done Mac Attack 3 out 4!!! Congrats to Widener and Wilkes should be commended on a great season. As for my Aggies they had me nervous at half time but got things going in the second half. No more of this stuff they need to bring it the first half from now on!!! I should be able to make it over to the hobart game this week and hopefully watch a Aggie win!!!  Although i didnt make it to the game i listened on the radio and the kicker bill miller absolutely laid the lumber to curry's return man i wished i had seen it in person!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on November 21, 2005, 05:46:45 PM
WEOS will have the Hobart and Delaware Valley contest on the air.

Http://www.weos.org/live.html

11:30AM EST air time
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 21, 2005, 07:52:00 PM
RM,

Thanks - who is providing the coverage?

btw - anyone who wants to listen in on the Rowan-Union game can probably catch in on the sporstjuice.com site just be forewarned that it will most likely be heavily tilted toward the Ducthmen - "not that there is anything wrong with that!"  "No, of course not."

"My mother's a Dutchmen . . ."

Go Aggies - MAC Attack!

All the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 21, 2005, 08:16:32 PM
Simba,

Are you out there?  Any attempts to see a playoff game in the offing?

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 21, 2005, 08:18:42 PM
Quote from: upbrmeasap on November 21, 2005, 09:07:09 AM
Although i didnt make it to the game i listened on the radio and the kicker bill miller absolutely laid the lumber to curry's return man i wished i had seen it in person!!!

Ub,
it was an awesome block!!!  Like it stated in the "Philly Burbs" it looked like the runner ran full speed right into a fire hydrant.  Bill Miller just stood there, turned sideways and the kid bounced off of him so hard all you could hear from everyone in the stands in unison was "ooowww".   It had to be the toughest, hardest block I saw just about all season and Bill did it effortlessly.  

Looking for an Aggie win this Saturday against Hobart!  ;D

GO MAC!  MAC ATTACK!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 21, 2005, 09:19:22 PM
Lycos80:

Radiomike is referring to the Hobart station's broadcast on WEOS.  They do a nice job.

I'll also be broadcasting the contest for Delaware Valley on www.sportsjuice.com with pregame at 11:30 AM.  I suspect you listened to me last week for Curry/Del Val (which I appreciate it).

Gordon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on November 21, 2005, 11:57:01 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 21, 2005, 07:52:00 PM
RM,
Thanks - who is providing the coverage?
Ted Baker and Avery Dove do the game. I filled in on color for a few games this year, but mostly deal with the production and tech.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 22, 2005, 10:08:35 AM
upbrmeasap.....Yes it was a nice hit from the kicker, who dosent look like the average licker. The game was turning into another nail biter then the flood gates opened.

Nice Job Widener and Moravian.....Nice effort Wilkes...at least you made it to the dance.


FYI...Del Val QB was name The Philadelphis Outstanding Amateur Athlete.

Go AGGIES...BEAT HOBART!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 22, 2005, 10:20:25 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 20, 2005, 05:06:28 PM

I will grant that NJAC has some good teams - mostly the usual suspects.  However, the MAC seems to be a rolling boil with someone always poised to break to the top.  Naturally there are a few programs always in the hunt for the crown - but it just seems to me that on average the NJAC cannot contend with the MAC league v. league.  Also - I grew up in NJ so I don't want you think I have a PA bias.


Results of NJAC v MAC games since 99 (that's how far back Pat has the results in the region pages.

William Paterson   Wilkes   21-17
New Jersey   FDU-Florham   42-20
Rowan   Wilkes   42-3
Widener   Montclair State   27-18

2004
William Paterson   Delaware Valley   0-35
Rowan   Delaware Valley   56-7

2003
Delaware Valley   William Paterson   26-12
Delaware Valley   New Jersey   54-37

2002
Wilkes   Montclair State   31-7

2001
Montclair State   Wilkes   28-0

2000
Delaware Valley   Montclair State   13-14
FDU-Florham   William Paterson   22-23

1999
Delaware Valley   William Paterson   33-38
William Paterson   FDU-Florham   7-17

As you can see this year NJAC 3 Mac 1, more games than most years.  Overall NJAC 8 MAC 6 counting playoffs (both ECAC and NCAA)
Comparing league to league top to bottom, I think the NJAC is stronger at the top, Rowan has a perion of continued dominance that MSU has occasionally interupted.  The MAC seems to rotate at the top more often.  The middle tier teams are probably even.  For the NJAC that would be TCNJ, Cortland State and possibly West Conn.  Bottom feeders probably even, give the MAC the edge due to more teams in the conference in its current form.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 22, 2005, 10:49:52 AM
me thinks billman you have good inside knowledge on the dvc kicker.... :)    I will try to find you on saturday if/when i get to the game let me know where you will be sitting...also what was the attendance like at last weeks game? was the stadium crowded i am trying to plan on when to get to the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 22, 2005, 06:07:29 PM
Congrats to Knoblauch on being named a Gagliardi Trophy finalist.

However the postseason ends, he's come a long way from that hardware store in Tamaqua.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MAC05 on November 22, 2005, 10:51:29 PM
Quote from: the source on November 20, 2005, 10:45:37 AM
lyco

who cares about the other two teams in the mac that were playing.  it wasnt the playoffs, it is like the NIT pointless and nobody cares

source:

whats your problem? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 23, 2005, 12:10:06 PM
I am off thru the weekend and most likely wont be online so  GGGGGGGOOOOOO      AAAAAGGGGGGGGIIIIIEEEESSS!!!
Beat Hobart!!!! Hopefully i will be at the game and billman i will try to catch up to you....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 23, 2005, 02:14:25 PM
MAC05...I see this is your first post. welcome to this board. Dont waste your time responding to "The Source". Nothing but negativity comes from there and anything you post regarding the MAC will get knocked. Just another closet Rowan fan on the Bandwagon....AGAIN!  Rowan is clearly a team that belongs in DII or DIAA but would rather stay in DIII and be successful. I wont post my opinions regarding personnel or recruiting as it is only heresay and really no one wants to hear it. I do think this will stir the pot a bit but who knows.
Anyway, good luck and again welcome to the MAC board.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 23, 2005, 02:41:32 PM
Yes, Rowan, Mount Union, the WIAC schools (more because of b-ball success) and lets add Linfield to the list all belong in D-II or D-IAA because the other teams in D-III have not figured out how to maintain a level of success that keeps them on top of heap.  Lets add a couple of the Texas schools to that list too.

These schools must obviously be cheating to maintain their success.  Hard work, continued success and being good schools have nothing to do with it.  I know, they all have Dr. Moreaux' on staff to create good football players in a lab, growing them in test tubes and incubators.

Give me a break, I hate Rowan and they have never cheated, they have taken advantage of loopholes in the rules but that is not cheating, that was a result of a flawed NCAA rule which has been fixed.  Accorsi (sp) doesn't bring in transfers like Keeler did but his teams are still successful.

If Rowan went D-II or IAA the other programs would have to also and they aren't that dominant.  RU basketball is back with the pack.  The other sports on both the mens and womens side are good, among the best in the NJAC but you don't see their NJAC competition calling for them to leave D-III.  When it comes to game time it is put up or shut up and Rowan puts up almost all the time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on November 23, 2005, 04:22:09 PM
Hobart Football vs Delaware Valley Game Notes
http://www.hws.edu/athletics/hobart/showrelease.asp?id=2877
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 23, 2005, 06:06:05 PM
Stalker,

Agree with your post regarding your dislike for Rowan and the quality of other D3 schools across the land.

Always wondered why Mt Union was able to stay in D3 with all those victories.  Interesting to note that Hofstra moved up after some D3 success in the early 1990s - although there was that upset by Lycoming!

By the way, I know Dino Hall, former G'Boro standout and returner for the Cleveland Browns before they became the Baltimore Ravens etc.

Regardless, it is interesting to note that many teams remain extremely successful at D3 and to wonder aloud why they do not move up and what the outcome might be if they did:  for their program and in the vacuum they would create in their departure.

Enjoy the pecan pie!

Happy Thanksgiving to all MAC fans everywhere, especially any serving overseas in the most important uniform - the nation's.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2005, 08:34:53 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 23, 2005, 06:06:05 PM
Always wondered why Mt Union was able to stay in D3 with all those victories.  Interesting to note that Hofstra moved up after some D3 success in the early 1990s - although there was that upset by Lycoming!

They had no choice if they wanted to remain Division I in all their other sports.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 24, 2005, 11:15:08 AM
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Enjoy, Be safe!

Go Aggies!!!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MAC05 on November 24, 2005, 03:39:17 PM
Kevin Lukich-FB-Moravian has been selected to the Aztec Bowl...has anyone else from the MAC been named to it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: the source on November 24, 2005, 04:10:02 PM
bill,

maybe you should take some notes on recruiting from Rowan that way maybe FDU maybe able to get more than a couple wins a season, maybe they need a new strength coach too
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2005, 04:43:25 PM
Hmm, 16 posts and by my count you've been an a**hole in about 13 of them. We don't need this source material.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tjross76 on November 24, 2005, 09:12:11 PM
Hello everyone new user to the message board. I would just like to intrduce myself before i start commenting on games and stuff so people aren't wondering who the heck i am.  I played football in the mac 2 years before so i have some experience in the Mac.  Well everyone have a safe thanksgiving and i hope all teams participating in this weekends game have a safe one and exp. GO AGGIES

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 24, 2005, 09:49:27 PM
Best of Luck to DVC's Adam Knoblauch on his Gagliardi nomination!  What an honor it is to be in the running.  Here's hoping he wins the award!  GO MAC!

TJRoss, welcome to the board!

Go Aggies!  Beat Hobart!  MAC ATTACK!!

Me has a feeling the weather is going to be BRUTAL on Saturday.  Looking forward to drinking some hot chocolate and meeting some new friends.  I'll find you on Saturday Billman56.   :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 24, 2005, 10:10:19 PM
tj

Welcome aboard!  Good to have another poster familiar with MAC league comings and goings.

The more the merrier!

It was sweet to see Dallas lose in OT today - as a true Eagles fan I am always happy to see anyone in the division lose even if the Eagles cannot win.

Here's to an Aggie W on Saturday followed by an Eagle W on Sunday!

MAC Attack!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on November 25, 2005, 11:13:08 AM
Posters,
The regular season is over.  It's important that we, as MAC family, support the Aggies.  Yes, during the regular season they are the enemy, if your not an Aggie fan.  They are representing all of us now, so lets get behind these kids, coaches, and program and wish them well.  Hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving, and wishing everyone a happy and healthy holiday season.  GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on November 25, 2005, 12:19:43 PM
The Source is a pinerider or has big brother on the team.

As for Bill's weight program. I loved it and benefited from it!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 25, 2005, 03:30:14 PM
The Source....I dont know too much about FDU or their staff, nor am I familiar with their recruiting requirements. I pull for the Aggies and have been an Aggie fan for some time now. 

Rowan is Rowan and they can do whatever they want, all I was saying was that if they continue to be as dominant as they have been in the past maybe they should step up to better competition to get some respect in an upper Division. Maybe they just want to be the big fish in the small pond and are afraid to step up?? Who knows?

4Man...will be looking for you tomorrow...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 25, 2005, 07:35:27 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.devalcol.edu%2Fathletics%2Fimages%2Fphoto_football05.jpg&hash=f5faf5652f96e1046953081d6676a4979b144bf3)

[/sub]GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 26, 2005, 12:02:00 AM
Game time in about 12 hours!

If you can't make it to Doylestown, you can still feel like you're at the game.  The game will be broadcast live over the internet.

SportsJuice/Del Val: http://www.sportsjuice.com
WEOS/Hobart: Http://www.weos.org/live.html

Airtime is 11:30 AM for both streams with kickoff at 12 PM.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 26, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
Good luck today Del Val

Represent us well....

Go MAC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 26, 2005, 01:09:31 PM
Anyone tell me what is going on with DVC and Hobart - besides just the score - I can read that on the website.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 26, 2005, 01:55:59 PM
sounds like a hellava defensive game...playing field position

Let's go DVC!

Go Mac!!  MAC ATTACK!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 26, 2005, 01:58:59 PM
TD !  Aggies !!!!   yeah ....Go Mac
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 26, 2005, 02:39:03 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collegestudentathletes.com%2Fimages%2Fconferences%2Fmid_atlantic.jpg&hash=33dde68f6c99afa6088a5d5c82e6d1f891cbb5cf)
MAC ATTACK!!! 21-14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 26, 2005, 02:52:05 PM
way to go AGGIES,  21-14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 26, 2005, 02:55:48 PM
DVC wins over Hobart - 21 to 14

MAC Attack, indeed!!!

Congrats to Hobart on a great season and a nail-biting finish

4th and 5 with 5 seconds to go . . . only to come up empty in the endzone.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 26, 2005, 03:21:24 PM
AGGIES vs PROFS in the NCAA Quarterfinals.

Let's hear it for the MAC this week boys.

Lycoming is first in my heart - then anyone who represents the MAC/or plays Rowan.

I have club box seats for ARMY-NAVY or else I would be making the pilgrimmage to Doylestown to root the MAC on to victory.

GO NAVY - BEAT ARMY!!!!!

GO AGGIES!!!!!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on November 26, 2005, 03:48:05 PM
Here we come boys,

Great victory over those LL teams-they sure are a bunch of whiners.

Lets have a great East Region Final!

CK

GO PROFS!!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 26, 2005, 05:46:07 PM
Way to go Aggies! Great win today!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: trkdog on November 26, 2005, 06:48:14 PM
Good Job Aggies make us MAC alums proud and smoke Rowan
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 27, 2005, 11:02:56 AM
I lost karma points for congratulating a team?


You know this is really stupid when just being a supporter of a certain school gets you bad karma.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 27, 2005, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: D3Phan on November 27, 2005, 11:02:56 AM
I lost karma points for congratulating a team?


You know this is really stupid when just being a supporter of a certain school gets you bad karma.



If you happen to take a look around, just about everyone posting in the MAC has negative karma.  Not sure who's responsible for all the smiting but then again, I don't really care.  Just thought I'd point that out to you.

Congrats to DVC for finally pulling out the win from the Hobart game.  Great game it was too!  Scoreless for 3 quarters.  Would have liked to have seen some larger points posted but very glad for the win regardless.

Now on to next week!  Let's get ready for Rowan.  It can be done!

Go Aggies!  MAC ATTACK!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 27, 2005, 11:37:29 AM
I have the same problem... last 4 post results in -3 karma for rooting on the MAC (Attack).

oh well !

I'll probably be -4 after this.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 27, 2005, 11:43:28 AM
4man.
I see that you are right, I guess we are the red headed step children....oh well...  I will try to gain your perspective on it...


Go Aggies!!!!

Mac Attack!!!!!

(I should have copy righted that..)


;D

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 27, 2005, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: D3Phan on November 27, 2005, 11:43:28 AM


Mac Attack!!!!!

(I should have copy righted that..)


;D



Yes, you should have!!  It has a great ring to it and I now use it in every post!  Thanks for the catchy slogan.

Go Aggies!  MAC ATTACK!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 27, 2005, 02:07:43 PM
Congrats to DVC for another nail biting win...I thought that was all over with from last year but then again its the playoffs. Way to go Aggies!!!

4man...contgrats to your guy, very nice game!!! Will we see you next week??

Upbrmeasap...missed you somehow...hope to meet next week!! Great game!! Just wish they would start scoring earlier.

Simba...thanks for the great posts and all of the other MAC supporters these past 2 weeks.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 27, 2005, 04:49:59 PM
Billman - it was great to meet you and yes, we will be there again this week!  Can't wait - is it game time yet???

I've also extended an open arms invitation to Mount Union.  Seems that they aren't too happy about possibly traveling to Del Val so they are rooting for Rowan.  I assured them that "if" we had the opportunity we would be wonderful hosts.  I'm sure the purple royalty would "gag" at the sight of our field but hey, it's what we have to work with until upgrades occur at DelVal.  First things first, let's get past Rowan this year!!!  ........but it would be oh so awesome to host Mount Union!  I would love to see that team play but not willing to travel further than Del Val (unless, of course, the Aggies were playing).

Go Aggies!  MAC ATTACK!!!

Oh, and when I did the signature to the CCIW post patterns room, I just couldn't bring myself to sign it MAC ATTACK after the Go Aggies!  We don't have the years of winning history as many of the West schools do.  We're still a struggling conference in many eyes so I didn't want to push the positivity thing outside of the MAC posting room.

All, keep rooting for the Aggies!  We need as much good karma for this next game as we can possibly get.   ;D

Simba, I'm very impressed.  Thanks for the support!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 27, 2005, 05:46:00 PM
4man:  you want to talk to MU on the OAC forum not CCIW

billman:  WE'RE BACK!! :-*  DVC gets what they wanted   A rematch @ home with Rowan.  Now, the fun begins!!   ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: religion_major on November 27, 2005, 05:56:56 PM
Good luck to Del Val from a Bridgewater fan.  As ya'll know there is still some bad blood between BC and Rowan after the day time stood still and most everyone in the d3 world would love to see Mount Union travel to somewhere other than Salem, VA in the playoffs.  That and I like your tough comeback style of play so all in all go Del Val.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on November 27, 2005, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: ACMob on November 20, 2005, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: cscs on November 20, 2005, 11:40:20 AM
Early line on the game at Frank Bailey next Sat.....UNION by 14

I think you got that backwards!!  Rowan is a 11.5 point favorite on the OAC pick em board. ;)

Lyco-- ncaa playoff 2005 records:  MAC 1-1 NJAC 1-1 (three points short of a "Double Monkey Stomp" by the NJAC on the "big" MAC) :P
Quote from: cscs on November 20, 2005, 02:34:02 PM
All that proves is that the OAC knows nothing about Union

I guess all this proves that the OAC and cscs both know nothing about Union... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 27, 2005, 08:34:33 PM
Quote from: ACMob on November 27, 2005, 05:46:00 PM
4man:  you want to talk to MU on the OAC forum not CCIW

billman:  WE'RE BACK!! :-*  DVC gets what they wanted   A rematch @ home with Rowan.  Now, the fun begins!!   ???

Thanks ACMob.  I only replied in the CCIW because that was where seventies (something) was posting most of his posts.  Not sure, but I think he's an Augustana fan who is now rooting for MU that's why I went to the CCIW.  Since he's in there, I'm sure he'll get the post.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on November 27, 2005, 08:42:54 PM
4man

The guy you are referring to is seventiesraider (the mascot of Mt. Union)  ;)  So I would venture to say that he is not a closet Augustana fan on the MUC bandwagon. 

He was on the CCIW board all week because Mount played against a CCIW team so logically he was in there talking his smack. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 28, 2005, 09:06:50 AM
WAY TO GO AGGIES!!!   I think we are little banged up but will bring all we have against rowan as they are banged up as well....this will be interesting to see how dvc/rowan stack up this week. I cannot wait..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVC_Film_Guy on November 28, 2005, 10:22:14 AM
Hopefully this (DVC-Rowan) will be a better game than last season.

GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 28, 2005, 11:55:01 AM
Hello DVC fans from a Mount fan! 

Both teams have a very tough game to play this coming weekend, but IF they both come through, just how bad is your field? 

Are we talking a foot of mud?  Bad in spots?  With the warm weather coming through now, I am guessing it will get worse.  Mount had similar issues before putting in the turf.  The local high school team also played on the field, so come playoff time it was usually a mess.  What upgrades are coming for your place?

By the way, Seventies wasn't wishing Rowan luck because anyone thinks your hospitality would be anything less than great, it's just that we have been spoiled.  Mount hasn't had to play a road playoff game since 95 (other than in Salem, VA). 

Good luck to both teams, and may you both wear  yourself completely out by game's end.   ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 28, 2005, 01:41:05 PM
I dont know what has happened to the field I heard something about it got destroyed when one of the hurricane remants blew through doylestown and they played a game on the field. But when I went to school there the field was like gold it handled maybe 5 games a year on it and looked like a golf fairway. It has a nice crown on it and was a great field to play football.
Both teams have to play on it so no one gets any real benefit from it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 28, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
regarding the field at DVC..it could better, could be worse...I don't think it ever recovered from last years game where they played in remnants of a hurricane.

I saw alot of slipping going on last Saturday and with more rain in the forecast I would surmise it will not be any better this week.

Go Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 28, 2005, 04:36:38 PM
How about they move the game to Rowan? RU can wear away unis and sit on the visitor stands. But at least the field is artificial turf and the conditions would be favorable for both teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 28, 2005, 04:44:25 PM
LOL!!!!!! NOT LIKELY!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 28, 2005, 04:47:05 PM
Good idea because the RU white road uniforms surely look better than the [toxic] all-yellow ones.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 28, 2005, 05:02:42 PM
The Rowan yellow uniforms remind me of the radiation suits we used to wear in the Navy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 28, 2005, 05:51:30 PM
what do you guys think of the aggies uni's?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 28, 2005, 05:53:09 PM
BTW..Pat
can I please have my other posts back?
I always forget to ask ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on November 28, 2005, 06:53:36 PM
Quote from: reality check on November 27, 2005, 08:42:54 PM
4man

The guy you are referring to is seventiesraider (the mascot of Mt. Union)  ;)  So I would venture to say that he is not a closet Augustana fan on the MUC bandwagon. 

He was on the CCIW board all week because Mount played against a CCIW team so logically he was in there talking his smack. 

Oops!  My bad...........I'll just go crawl in my hole now for not knowing that.  Thanks for the correction.

Go Aggies!  MAC ATTACK!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on November 28, 2005, 07:04:05 PM
Hey whats up guys,,,,,very excited for this weeks game between dvc and rowan...

do u guys feel that del val will have a advantage over rowan playing on their home field rather last years turf at rowan....

also i wonder how excited tolbert and whetstone are to come back to doyelstown???

any comments guys????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2005, 07:13:33 PM
Bossman05:

Mangus was asked about Tolbert and Whetstone in the post game press conference.  He had nice things to say about both kids, just like in the preseason.

I don't sense any ill will on his part toward the two who, according to him, made an understandable decision to transfer based on financial considerations.

DE Anthony Silver said he would put aside any personal friendships until after the battle is over on Saturday around 4 PM.  Silver's remarks indicated that Brandon and/or Dewaine have kept in contact with Aggies CB Desmond Wiggins during the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 28, 2005, 08:44:40 PM
Skunk_Sidekicks.....After the "Hurricane" Bowl last year, the field has never come back. The crown is gone, sometimes there is standing water, etc. Last week it rained a bit and snowed on Thanksgiving...The field froze and thawed by Game time Saturday only to make the footing terrible...even the kicker slipped and missed a FG.

ACMOB....Yes, bud here we go again...Hope it is a good game, not a blowout...and everyone is safe and injury free. Lately DVC has been getting off to a slow start, hope that changes too.
Will you be at the game? As you can tell by my assessment of the field it looks to be anybodys game. A lot of slipping and sliding last week.

4MAN...Sue hope we get off to a better start this week. "J" had some great grabs last week..good luck to him and will see you again at the tracks???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on November 28, 2005, 09:12:07 PM
Bman56:  Unfortunately, I can't make it because my home is now in GA.  However, thanks to Pat, I'll (hopefully) enjoy the game with all the comforts of home!!

IMO-- this year DVC has a better shot to win.  With Rowan's injuries, it's a lot tougher this year.  Losing to Willy P., really cost the Profs this year, but a ride across the river ain't too bad.   I am concerned about the field.  Ya think the school would provide some $$ or get a sponser to sod,turf, whatever your field so the team would have an advantage @ home.

GOOD LUCK this week and tell your boys to start fast.  You can bet RU is coming in with confidence after last year!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2005, 09:59:25 PM
AC:

Pat Cummings will be at Wesley this Saturday and Pat Coleman isn't slated to go to any particular game.

So you'll have to put up with me or the WGLS students if you're listening over the net. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on November 28, 2005, 10:04:06 PM
D3phan

The Aggies uni's are sharp.  I have only seen the home uni's but I always prefer two colors only.  The only thing I dislike about them is that as a broadcaster the numbers "5" and "6" are hard to differentiate and the "1" and "7" are tough with the style of number the Aggies have on their jerseys.  That's a minor detail though.  I think the Aggie uni's are top notch.


Re: the field conditions

Gordon commented during the game it was Hurricane Ivan that did in the turf.  And he also commented that the practice field makes the stadium turf look like gold and he's absolutely right about that.  I didn't see a single square foot of green on the practice field adjacent to the stadium.  I imagine the practice field is a frustration for the players and coaches alike.

Gordon

"Put up with US..."  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 28, 2005, 11:00:26 PM
I find I must comment on the state of affairs irt karma in our league.

I am very curious about all the smiting going on seemingly directed towards MAC league supporters and wonder where it is coming from.

Now that I am in a position to applaud/smite I am going to be watching and reading to see if I may discern who is the lurker lowering our ratings. 

I am now at -4 and will probably drop lower for even raising the matter but I find it way over the top to see so many of us getting bashed for mostly innocuously sounding posts.  Come on, we should be commended for rallying around our NCAA league rep - DVC - not punished.

I definitely smell outside blood in the water and care not for it - not one little bit!

MAC ATTACK - MAC ATTACK - GO AGGIES SMOKE PROFS!!!!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tjross76 on November 28, 2005, 11:40:51 PM
I believe that the feild conditions will be a slight advantage to the aggies becasue, i saw someone commenting on the the way the practice feild looked, that the muddy practice conditions and then going on to play on a muddy feild makes the advantage go towards the aggies just a bit.  The game this saturday is going to be a great contest between 2 great football teams and plus the aggies have something to prove, and alil revenage from last year.  Wish i could make it to the game but i have work all weekend, but i will be listening to it on the internet.  Go aggies
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on November 29, 2005, 01:59:07 AM
ACMOB.....Too bad you cant make the game...DVC/Rowan...Hope it will be a shoot out and a good game....I am sure G.A. will have the kids pumped for this one. I feel the field will hold the key to deciding the outcome of this one if both teams play their best.

GO AGGIES!!!!!!

Readytorock....Your guy had some great plays last week, looks to me that "HE's Baaaack"!!!  See you guys Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVC_Film_Guy on November 29, 2005, 08:09:57 AM
Quote from: Dr. xGSC on November 28, 2005, 04:36:38 PM
How about they move the game to Rowan? RU can wear away unis and sit on the visitor stands. But at least the field is artificial turf and the conditions would be favorable for both teams.

Yeah right.  Sounds like someone doesn't wanna play in the mud.  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 29, 2005, 10:11:16 AM
DVC FILM GUY,

I'd love to play in the mud but my playing days are long over. It's a shame though that the field may be in an unplayable condition. Regardless, I feel it will be a close and hard fought game with RU coming out on top.

As the top seed, I believe the pressure is squarely on the shoulders of DVC. RU, now with 3 major injury losses (QB, DL, RB), has exceeded my expectations and then some, and whatever the outcome of this game, good luck to the team that represents the eastern region.

BMAN,

Are you going to the game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on November 29, 2005, 10:15:29 AM
Early forcast is for strong winds to go along with the Aggie mud. Sounds like a game that might be decided by who can move the ball north to south through the trenches.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zman on November 29, 2005, 10:27:21 AM
Dr., if by Bman you mean me...then yes, I'm going to the game.  What about you?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 29, 2005, 10:29:54 AM
zman, where you been hiding? And why? This room is the poorer for your absconding ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 29, 2005, 10:39:06 AM
Zman,

Yes I am going to the game. Probably with DR. I'll see you there.

I knew you'd be going to the game. Bman is a guy from MAC (Widener) who I met a while ago.


Warren,

Zman is deep in an undercover covert operation, and his mere presence on this site could be detrimental to DVC and those in the MAC. Bada Bing, Bada Boom! Fuggetaboutit!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 29, 2005, 11:25:57 AM
It'll probably be a busy morning, but let me know where you guys are congregating before the game and I'll swing by to say hello.

Unlike the TCNJ game where traffic thwarted me, I have to be at this one. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVC_Film_Guy on November 29, 2005, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: Dr. xGSC on November 29, 2005, 10:11:16 AM
and whatever the outcome of this game, good luck to the team that represents the eastern region.


Well said.  I'm hoping for a good game.  As well as an Aggie win.

I'll be in between the 2 boxes filming as usual.

Is it Saturday yet?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 29, 2005, 02:55:46 PM
Realalitycheck,
I so agree with you about the numbers on the aggies jerseys... I am kinda glad that I am not the only one...because when I said it to my husband he acted as if I had to heads and 4 bad eyes!


I love the colors of the jerseys, I went to a catholic school who had the same color uniforms!!!!

Good luck this Saturday Aggies!

MAC Attack!!!!!

Billman,
your guy has been awesome too....!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 29, 2005, 02:57:57 PM
errr...that would be two heads...typo's suck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 29, 2005, 06:03:38 PM
heres some food for thought... DVC is an agricultural school, so i assume someone there knows how to grow plants (meaning grass)... so why is it that year in and out the field is in such a poor condition? i know that there was the 'hurricane game' this year, along with many other rain games, but i was at the field earlier in the year, and it was the same shape.

on another note, good luck dvc rep the mac
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 29, 2005, 07:58:56 PM
That would be that Captain Obvious approach...which makes it so tough to imagine.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joker on November 29, 2005, 10:11:07 PM
As a WU Football alum, I want to wish GA good luck against a very gritty Rowan squad,.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 29, 2005, 11:34:22 PM
Dr X

Not only will I not be there, I will not have access to a PC to listen in :-[...feel free to call me with anu score updates if you'd like...

I have been challenged all year with things coming up and have not been to anything other than 1/2 of the homecoming game this year...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on November 30, 2005, 10:18:27 AM
BMan,

Send me a message through D3 with your # and I'll give you a call with some score updates.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 30, 2005, 11:57:42 AM
What is the tailgating situation at DVC?  Is there ample parking near the field?  Are visitors and home fans separated or does everyone tailgate in the same place?

When are you allowed to start tailgating on game day?  What about booze?  Must in a cup or???

I've had a few emails from Rowan student tailgaters.  I'll post tailgating recommendations for DVC on my site from what the MAC people tell me here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 30, 2005, 11:58:12 AM
each fon call will be a replay of a dvc touchdown!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 30, 2005, 12:02:41 PM
XGSC

Will do...

THX!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on November 30, 2005, 01:03:10 PM
OK, this is the best place to get some real opinions.  How good is DelVal and will they beat Rowan?  I am looking for a DelVal victory because I am a Mount Union grad and it would be great that the Purple Raiders finally head east and play < 75 miles from my house.  Not used to too many Mount Union road games in the play-offs.

So go Mount and Go DelVal.

When did DelVal turn it around.  They were the only team Lebanon Valley could beat when ny brother went there?

And what is the tailgate situation at Delaware Valley?

Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 30, 2005, 01:26:58 PM
dvc turned it around when coach mangus came on board several years ago. it will be crowded and tailgating and parking will be tough unless you get there early. also heard they are working non stop on the field with sand etc to get it in shape for saturday. word seems to be they are going to gut the field after the season and put in a whole new drainage system and new sod and have it in shape before next season. plus the ncaa official has been there(they check all fields before games) and deemed it fine to play on.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 30, 2005, 01:50:21 PM
How many parking spaces are there for tailgating and how early is early?  Please provide more detail on the tailgating situation.  See my questions above.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on November 30, 2005, 02:03:13 PM
JT

The last two weeks there has been a decent amount of space for parking and tailgating in my opinion.  I have been getting to the game between 10:30 and 11:00 and parked close to the stadium in the tailgating area.  Lots of tailgaters had been there for a while from the looks of it.  The one thing I will add is that both games were much longer treks for the visitors and I am sure Rowan will have a ton of support in comparison with the other two schools simply because of the short distance so space will be a little tighter I am sure.

I will let someone that is more regular in attendance answer your specifics but that's what I have noticed the last two weeks. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 30, 2005, 02:25:02 PM
Generally speaking I know that the consumption of "beverages" is illegal at any campus stadium parking lot.  However I've found that there is certain tolerance by the school security given:

1) Booze is in a cup that isn't see through

2) People behave and bring a trash bag for their own refuse.

Are DVC's security very strict.... or do they kinda look the other way.  I want to answer the student's questions appropriately. Since I'll be "working" the game, I might have a beer but that's about it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 30, 2005, 02:52:36 PM
billman et al should be able to answer that i tend sneak in a little before kickoff but billman and a number of others tailgate there regularly and can tell you times, and how to conceal your "beverage of choice..." etc....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on November 30, 2005, 03:05:30 PM
maybe I can answer a few of the questions for you.
Booze:
I have seen several people"escorted "out of the stadium for being intoxicated. I have seen "colored cups" in the parking lot.

Parking : I believe that it will be a full house this coming Saturday so I would be there early...meaning 9:30 ish....
tickets go on sale at that time...there are several other parking areas other than the one right by the Stadium, but it is a hike. Dress warm it can get very cold !!!
there are bleachers for the "visitors side" and there is ample ground space for your own chairs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 30, 2005, 04:14:13 PM
fwiw, i think there is going to be a fairly large turnout there this weekend so the sooner you can get there and get in the parking lot and tickets the better. i imagine rowan will be bringing a large number of fans since it is a relatively short drive from new joisey....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on November 30, 2005, 05:11:34 PM
DVC comes right out as soon as you enter the parking lot with a big sign that says - TAILGATING AREA - ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES PROHIBITED.

That being said, I know I've smelled them around.  Security does patrol the lots.  Now...if they see a Rowan gang, they might be more steadfast with the rule. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on November 30, 2005, 08:39:16 PM
I'll let them know, that the imbiber should beware. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on November 30, 2005, 09:24:07 PM
A couple of things for going to the game: The visitors get the bleachers in the sun, whatever sun there will be, as the heat wave we have been enjoying is sadly ending. Last week, the lines to get tickets were still long pretty close to game time. I can imagine that they will be longer this week, so plan accordingly.

Loved the guy in the stands with the viking horns, and Yuengling Taphandle on the stick with they cymbal!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 01, 2005, 02:27:14 AM
DVC Tailgating....As this will be one of the top games this week parking will get crowded early. Arriving around 9:30 or 10:am you should fine ample spaces to park or tailgate or whatever. Campus security will escort out anyone they feel is intoxicated or rowdy. A bunch from another school was escorted out after they became rowdy and intoxicated. They also left their trash in the parking lot.
Please put your beverages in a colored cup and act like the great fans you are and most likely you will be left alone. A large boistrous group will be looked at and your cups looked into also, most everyone brings their own trash bags. The visitor stands will be in the sun if it decides to appear and it can get cold real fast so dress accordingly.  If you happen to arrive late you maybe asked to park in an additional lot on the other side of campus and it is quite a walk.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 01, 2005, 02:40:04 AM
JT...there is tailgating all over the parking lot and no the home and visitors fans are not separated...Havnet had to separate anyone yet....

Bobbydb19.....the key to this contest will be the field....Like on a rainy day it brings  a more even playing field to both units. The field is currently being prepared for Saturday.  Both teams have high powered offenses and stubborn defenses, however DVC needs to get a quick start and they havent done that all year except for a few games.  A quick start for the Aggies will no doubt put more pressure on the Profs and again the field may hold the key to the semi finals.

Upbrmeasap.....Joisey??? Come on man, thats thin...See you Saturday??  At the tracks 9:AM??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on December 01, 2005, 08:08:04 AM
Thanks for the info Billman56.  I will be watching the weather and watching the scores. 

Sorry JT, I am rooting for DVC in this one.  Seen too many Rowan/Mount Union games and I want to see Mount finally come to my area for once.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 01, 2005, 09:23:21 AM
i saw dvc/rowan preview on comcast sportsnite last evening. interviewed coach mangus and knoblauch and carmon. i think they are much more prepared this year. i agree with coach mangus they arent playing rowans tradition this year they are just playing rowan the football team. they seem much more confident in knowing what to expect against rowan this year. plus having it at home helps very much. btw i saw the practice field on comcast sportsnite and what a mess, alumni and supporters of dvc need to start to fund raiser that practice field was an embarrassment to view. caught a quick glimpse of the field in the stadium and that looked in decent shape not nearly as bad as i thought it would.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 01, 2005, 09:44:47 AM
Fair weather.

No injuries!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on December 01, 2005, 11:58:35 AM
So what is it going to be:

Mount Union travelling to DVC or Rowan going to Alliance, Ohio (just like on December 11, 1999)?  I don't like to remember that game.  Ended Mounts 54 game winning streak, Only to be followed by a 55 game streak.

KC Keeler had one of the classic lines when asked about playing at Mount....."I feel like I have already been to Mount Union, I have seen this stadium so much on film".

As long as it is not Capital coming to Rowan or DVC.

Sorry for all my Mount Union talk in the MAC page, but I have real interest in the DVC/Rowan game.  Plus I am sure if either team gets to the Stagg Bowl, you want it to be because you beat one of the best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 01, 2005, 01:05:41 PM
no problem bobby with the mount union chatter....nice thing about div III is they settle everything on the field not in the polls....so if mount union is good enough they will win their remaining games if not they werent the best team to begin with and no matter who wins then would feel any less by not having faced mount union....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: profs_fan on December 01, 2005, 03:22:19 PM
Will be coming up to the rematch game Saturday.  Union had home team parking close to the stadium.  Is parking first come first parked at DV?

I had bil-lateral knee replacements and also have a sports hernia. Slipped on the ice at Union and aggregated the sport hernia. So walking real far is a painful experience. 

Haven't missed a Prof payoff game in....many years ago.  Wouldn't miss this unless I was on life support.

I hope uall realize that once you have a winning program, all teams
want to be the team that ended your winning steak.  Sometimes  the best thing that can happen is lose a game in midseason.  Sometimes not.

Hope nobody gets hurt, good sportmanship, and an entertaining game for Saturday.

We plan to arrive on campus about 9-10 am. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2005, 04:31:14 PM
Any future "first time posters on this site" that want to comment about Del Val/Rowan should first read the terms of service and see what isn't permitted regarding your name.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 01, 2005, 04:34:16 PM
mommy and daddy now know he is using the keyboard and have grounded him from the computer for 2 weeks.....take your flames over to the njac board where people may care ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 01, 2005, 04:40:58 PM
Billman et al,

Thanks for the heads up on the tailgating.  Like I said before... I've been getting plenty of emails with questions about the tailgating situation at DVC.  I'll post something on my site.  BTW... I always bring a trash bag, and I think those that don't are rude.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 01, 2005, 04:43:31 PM
Given the field conditions.... maybe I'll wear cleats while taking photos.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 01, 2005, 04:45:53 PM
billman let me know where along the railroad tracks you will be.... i will try to catch up with you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 01, 2005, 04:51:44 PM
I hope to get there by 9am, so if you Aggie fans see me I'll be happy to engage in pre-game banter.  My ugly mug is on the ATR page for the East region, for those that haven't ventured into the Around the Region on d3football.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on December 01, 2005, 06:13:37 PM
JT

Remember that CD of images we emailed about?  Well I will be at the game if you want to try to get that together and we can chat a bit in Dolyestown.  I will be calling the game along with Gordon for the third week in a row.  See you there and safe travels to all (although in this case, I might be making a longer trip than fans of either school).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 01, 2005, 06:27:47 PM
RC,

Sorry about the problems, I'm, good after the season too.  Been busy.  Freetime has been taken up.  Don't like BBall as much, so I will send you some stuff post season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on December 01, 2005, 09:08:00 PM
I was a first time poster.  Hope I didn't do anything wrong.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 01, 2005, 09:16:09 PM
Bobby,

You are fine.  I was supposed to send RC some pics. Got too busy with life etc.  Root for whichever team is your pleasure.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 01, 2005, 09:18:45 PM
profs_Fan.....Time wise you should be in good shape with that time frame


JT...You may need your cleats for this one.

Upbrmeasap.....Along the RR Tracks there is an opening and crossover to the back fields...we will be tailgating there...see ya  there
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 01, 2005, 09:35:21 PM
Good Luck to all!

At least the people on this conference board have some class.

Let's have a great game with no injuries (we can't afford any more)

RU 38

DVC 17

Thanks,

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 01, 2005, 09:41:50 PM
Bman56:  you are certainly correct about DVC needing a fast start.  RU will come out hard and DVC needs to counter quickly.  Union went toe to toe early, but could not overcome halftime adjustments.  This is DVC's time to step up!!  This is my LAST good luck.

Readyto rock--  got some ZINGERS waitin' on ya!! ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 02, 2005, 02:41:32 AM
ACMOB...Thanks for the Good Luck....Looking for a good game not a blowout, no injuries either. Last weather forecast listed Saturday should be clear but Saturday night possible snow and rain??

I dont think you will be able to "Bait" Readytorock out on the board, hope he returns but who knows?

To You also Good Luck

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 09:08:12 AM
billman are talking about down kind of behind the library? where there is a small tunnel under the railroad tracks?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 11:57:37 AM
getting the game face on....24 hours from now they will be lining up to settle it on the field!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: readytorock on December 02, 2005, 12:03:37 PM
Billman: Just when you thought it was safe to go back in...you know the rest.  Looks like high wind  for game day!


Upbrmeasap:  Start the count down


ACMob:  The time for talk is past... Go Aggies!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 12:06:56 PM
readytorock i was hoping you were lurking out there and would bring some juice to the board!!!  lets go aggggieeeesss!!!! i have wanted this rematch all year and now its here !!!! going to be cold and windy tomorrow with snow in the evening perfect football weather.... ;)     readytorock you visiting billman before the game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on December 02, 2005, 12:28:25 PM
Don't want to talk about the Semi-finals already, but just remember who will be coming into your house next week if the Aggies get by the Profs.......them Purple Raiders. 

Please Just get it done!  We'll have a contingent there.  We have been looking forward to a possible DVC/Mount match-up since the brackets came out.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 02, 2005, 12:36:09 PM
bobbydb19,

Are you looking past Capital?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: readytorock on December 02, 2005, 12:57:16 PM
upbrmeasap: I surely am ! Billman is always the first stop of the day!!!  Hope to see you there...My better half wants to pitch a tent in the parking lot tonight so she doesn't miss anything!  Go Aggies!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobbydb19 on December 02, 2005, 12:58:33 PM
After I posted the message, I knew that would be a response.

After their only loss of the year and first in the OAC conference after 110 straight wins, Mount has just been playing awesome.  Sure the following game they beat B-W only 17-3, but that was followed up by wins of 45-0, 63-0 and then 49-6 and 44-7 in the play-offs

Mount Union has a history of whooping on OAC teams when they play them a 2nd time during the year.  Just great coaching by Larry Kehres.

Mount had 5 turn-overs in the first meeting (3 fumbles and 2 Ints.) and they still won 42-24.  If they play well and limit the TOs it should be an easy win.

If they don't win....you can all let me have it.

I have enjoyed posting on this MAC board.  You guys are true DIII fans and very knowledgable.

Thanks and good luck.  Be safe.  Enjoy the game and hopefully we can continue this conversation next week (sorry JT) and then meet up in Doylestown.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 01:13:26 PM
i have a feeling there is going to be a big turnout for this game....even more so if oriehel were playing (rowans injured starting qb) since this game is being played in the town he grew up in and about 1/2 mile from his high school and football field at c.b. west.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on December 02, 2005, 01:59:14 PM
upbr

Good old Coach Magnus should be ecstatic that Orihel isn't going to show up, in uniform that is, for this game. 

Orihel made it look easy last year throwing for 252  yards and 5 tds against Magnus' defense.

He should also be happy that Bond (DE), Berry (WR), Smith (SS) and Encarnacion (RB) won't be in uniform either.

Regardless how it turns out tomorrow, if both teams meet next year in the playoffs, Orihel will be back ... along with Encarnacion and Smith. ;)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on December 02, 2005, 02:01:17 PM
Readytorock,

I wanted KB..Senior to get his buddies motor home to park that in parking lot tonight....too much?????


I am assuming you know who KB senior is.

Mac Attack!

Go Aggies!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 02:12:39 PM
ru fan using injuries as an excuse is a crutch.....bottom line at this time of year everyone is banged up and you have to go with what you have available if your team is good enough you win if you dont you go home...that is why div I-AA, II, III are great because the playoffs and settling it on the field.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on December 02, 2005, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: RU Fan on December 02, 2005, 01:59:14 PM
upbr

Good old Coach Magnus should be ecstatic that Orihel isn't going to show up, in uniform that is, for this game. 

Orihel made it look easy last year throwing for 252  yards and 5 tds against Magnus' defense.

He should also be happy that Bond (DE), Berry (WR), Smith (SS) and Encarnacion (RB) won't be in uniform either.

Regardless how it turns out tomorrow, if both teams meet next year in the playoffs, Orihel will be back ... along with Encarnacion and Smith. ;)



Do I detect some doubt about his team in the above post?...Kind of like "Well, if we loose it's because of our injury report"....Then, the old "Wait til next year when we're all healthy" stuff...Injuries are part of game...
Others on the depth chart will need to "step-up"...Hmmm....Must be visions of MAC ATTACK in his brain....Just noticed you beat me to the punch upbrmeasap but I'm still posting it...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 02:31:26 PM
right on simba!!! we are ready to rock and the mac attack will be in full force tomorrow!!! (my sister a lyco grad will be in attendance cheering the mac attack on as well!) the mac is one big family and about to take rowan down!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on December 02, 2005, 02:36:27 PM
Simba and Up,

Not many D3 programs that lose a QB the caliber of Orihel, a DL the caliber of Bond and a starting RB would be where they are today with what RU has done.

Answer this truthfully: Would DVC be in the situation they are without Knoblauch, Silver and Cook? Picture this scenario and you can see why what RU has done is pretty impressive. The fact that RU has gotten this far, to me, is very impressive and quite a feat in and of itself.

May the best team win, may there be no injuries, and I don't care what the score is as long as RU has more than DVC when the final whistle blows.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 02:42:16 PM
dr. x i agree with you in that rowan has overcome alot. but at this point in the season the remaining teams are all banged up and to come onto our board and start throwing flames around about how we should be thankful this person and that person isnt playing and "wait until next year" is a little over the top ...no???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2005, 04:32:23 PM
i am just about out and ready to roll and wont be logged on until after the game tomorrow so good luck to both teams and lets have a great game injury free and               
GGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGIIIIIIIEEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zman on December 02, 2005, 04:54:00 PM
There was  an article this week in the county paper near Rowan about the two Del Val transfers.  Both players had nothing but positive things to say about the players and coaches at Del Val (and Rowan) and both coaches had nothing but positive things to say about the players and the reasons for their transferring (mostly financial).
In this day and age of T.O. and all the other nonsense that seem to dominate sports, it was refreshing to see this kind of positive article.

Best of luck to both  squads, may RU win another one, and as Dr. XGSC says, no injuries please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 02, 2005, 04:57:46 PM
Quote from: zman on December 02, 2005, 04:54:00 PM
There was  an article this week in the county paper near Rowan about the two Del Val transfers.  Both players had nothing but positive things to say about the players and coaches at Del Val (and Rowan) and both coaches had nothing but positive things to say about the players and the reasons for their transferring (mostly financial).
In this day and age of T.O. and all the other nonsense that seem to dominate sports, it was refreshing to see this kind of positive article.

zman:

Another example, as if we needed it, of D3's superiority over the lower divisions ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on December 02, 2005, 05:20:44 PM
Quote from: Simba on December 02, 2005, 02:25:42 PM
Do I detect some doubt about his team in the above post?...Kind of like "Well, if we loose it's because of our injury report"....Then, the old "Wait til next year when we're all healthy" stuff...Injuries are part of game...
Others on the depth chart will need to "step-up"...Hmmm....Must be visions of MAC ATTACK in his brain....Just noticed you beat me to the punch upbrmeasap but I'm still posting it...


Dr X

Thanks for your support but I really don't need any help responding to these guys.  They come over to the NJAC board and post whatever they want and when you visit their board, they get their green and gold panties in a bunch.

I don't make excuses and as I've said since I began posting on these boards ..... it is what it is and outcomes are what they are.  If DVC wins tomorrow, I'll support them as the East rep. 

I don't have to make excuses for this RU team after what they've accomplished to date.  In fact, I could care less what you and your fellow Aggies think!

By the way, you never responded to DR X's question:  Answer this truthfully: Would DVC be in the situation they are without Knoblauch, Silver and Cook?

I think not ... without them, your MAC attack would resemble the Hamburglar instead.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on December 02, 2005, 05:54:45 PM
RU Fan...I just went over to your board and I did not see 1 post being nasty about Rowan...coming from anyone who posts from the "MAC".....
Now I only went back 6 pages...maybe I missed something.


Good luck Aggies!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on December 02, 2005, 06:24:28 PM
I'll answer the italicized question above....

Mangus had an approach, got the job, got his guys, and has had enormous success. 

Knoblauch, Silver, Cook were part of that.  If he doesn't have these guys, chances are he has players of similar quality considering who else he's been able to bring in.  It just so happens these are three who have generated tremendous success...

Without G.A., Adam Knoblauch may have never gone to college and could still be working in a hardware store in Tamaqua and not experienced all the rises and falls over the past four years.  Everything else aside, win or lose, I am happiest for those who have experienced Adam, G.A., and all over the last four years.  Character aplenty in Doylestown.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 02, 2005, 07:57:05 PM
While I agree with Pat, I think Dr. xGSC was pointing out that Rowan has unusual depth and, in my opinion, he's right.

I don't think another team in this region could get this far after losing their QB, RB and top DL to injuries.  As I mentioned on the Daily Dose last weekend, Rowan's depth is another factor that makes them the "Beast of the East."

You have to feel for Orihel.  He's a Central Bucks kid so this would've been a nice game for him to play in.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 02, 2005, 08:26:18 PM
I don't think there are many teams in d3 that have the depth that RU has, so it's not much of a knock to say that DVC wouldn't be there without their #1 QB and RB...

Pull that away from all playoff teams, and you be left with about 4 teams that could still compete...and several of those are still in the playoffs....

BTW go Capital (So we can still have an east coast semi ;D)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 02, 2005, 09:01:33 PM
gordon & realitycheck:  good luck tomorrow and hopefully it will be a good game. 

ROWAN WILL BE MOTIVATED.  There are no excuses!!  "Just win baby."


GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO       PROFS!! :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 02, 2005, 09:57:44 PM
AC Mob:

Gratzi.

On that note, you can hear Reality Check and me on the call tomorrow on www.sportsjuice.com.  I know the guys at WGLS do a nice job, too.

Kickoff begins at 12 PM with pregame at 11:30 AM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 03, 2005, 12:43:12 AM
Ru Fan...

Just to let you know as u speak of next year already dvc only loses wallick on defense and only three guys on offense

granted they will lose Knob, Cook, Cies, to graduation but  they will have sheffield who has done well this year, there is good depth on the online and if u guys know mangus he will have someone taking the snapes....

and basically i think thats it not badddd

but trust me those guys will truly truly be missed,,,i dunno if u can replace guys like that.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 03, 2005, 03:24:44 PM
Great game DVC

Good luck in the future!

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 03, 2005, 03:42:49 PM
DVC HATS OFF!!  YOU GUYS ARE CERTAINLY VERY GOOD!!

Bman56 and readytorock!!  GOOD RUN!!  24-2 last two years!!  VERY IMPRESSIVE!! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 03, 2005, 03:44:22 PM
Props to the Aggies, one hell of a game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rowanlb92 on December 03, 2005, 04:16:46 PM
Nice Game Del VAl.  You certainly gave us a big scare
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVC_Film_Guy on December 03, 2005, 07:26:13 PM
Congrats to Rowan, today's game is what playoff football is all about.  Best of luck next week in Alliance.

Could a Rowan-Wesley final be possible?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: profs_fan on December 03, 2005, 08:08:35 PM
I am an old guy....2 bi-latteral knee replacements summer of of "04 and now diagnosed with a "Sports Hernia", may not be able to officiate HS wrestling this year like I did last year. At Union, I slipped on ice under the snow that falled that day. Rowan was losing at half time.  I sent a secret e-mail to the D-coach and officive coach about how I fell on the poorly perforamce of the grounds crew at Union on making conditions safe.  You saw what what happended in the 2nd half. Old age sucks, 60 next June.

I am upset that none of the bleachers at Del-Val had ramps for those who are handicapped or physically imparred, like me.

I could not locate any Handicappped parking locations near the field at DVC.  Only 2 toilets and 4 urinals.  I heard the ladies rooms were worse the the men's rooms were.

I had to pee in my car (in a Wawa cup) at half time.

I sent another secret e-mail to the the D-coach about my
experience at DVC at HALF TIME.

You all know what happened in second half.

So, you all from Union and Del-Val should contact Mt. Union.  ell them there is an old guy fom Rowan (20+ year plus fan) who never played college football is upset with of lack of respect at both Union and Delaware Vallery College.

See you all at Mt. Union.  














d  
  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on December 03, 2005, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: rowanlb92 on December 03, 2005, 04:16:46 PM
Nice Game Del VAl.  You certainly gave us a big scare
Quote from: JT on December 03, 2005, 03:44:22 PM
Props to the Aggies, one hell of a game.
Quote from: ACMob on December 03, 2005, 03:42:49 PM
DVC HATS OFF!!  YOU GUYS ARE CERTAINLY VERY GOOD!!

Bman56 and readytorock!!  GOOD RUN!!  24-2 last two years!!  VERY IMPRESSIVE!! 
Quote from: RowanTexan on December 03, 2005, 03:24:44 PM

Good luck in the future!

CK

Thank you for being classy about the win!  That was one heck of a game played out there by both teams.  I really thought the Aggies were going to pull through but Rowan got the best of us.  Hats off to Rowan for plugging away.  Hopefully we'll see you again next year.

Congrats to the AGGIES for another great season!  You did the MAC proud!  Good luck to Adam Knoblauch and all of the seniors who are graduating this year.  You've been a part of a team that brought DVC into the spotlight and put them on the map.  May the memories last you a lifetime!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 03, 2005, 09:50:02 PM
QuoteI could not locate any Handicappped parking locations near the field at DVC.  Only 2 toilets and 4 urinals.  I heard the ladies rooms were worse the the men's rooms were.

I had to pee in my car (in a Wawa cup) at half time.


Profs_fan: I have been goofing on RowanTexan and Rowanlb92 all afternoon, but I am going to give you a +1 Karma point for admitting that the facilities at DVC sucked so bad that you had to piss in your car in a cup. That's priceless.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 04, 2005, 07:29:53 AM
Quote from: budcrew08 on December 03, 2005, 09:50:02 PM
QuoteI could not locate any Handicappped parking locations near the field at DVC.  Only 2 toilets and 4 urinals.  I heard the ladies rooms were worse the the men's rooms were.

I had to pee in my car (in a Wawa cup) at half time.


Profs_fan: I have been goofing on RowanTexan and Rowanlb92 all afternoon, but I am going to give you a +1 Karma point for admitting that the facilities at DVC sucked so bad that you had to piss in your car in a cup. That's priceless.

I'll second that prof_ fan!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 04, 2005, 10:29:52 AM
Hey AC, I hit ya back on the + Karma...like I promised.. you went from -53 to -52.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 04, 2005, 12:25:57 PM
4MAN...Your guy had a nice game yesterday...congrats!!!

D3FAN....Great tailgating with you and KB Sr.....lots of laughs. 

Readytoraock...Gotta bring "The Beaver Hat" in January!!

Thanks to all of the Rowan posters for all of the Good Lucks, pre game.

Profs_Fan...apologies for the restroom facilities, during the season they had port-o-pots for the excess crowds, should of had more there yesterday for the play off crowd...maybe it was an NCAA thing..who Knows?? Glad to hear you improvsed like a professional soldier. As for the ramps, you are 110% right. I hope this is brought to msome one's attention. Great Game Rowan.

In the playoff level of competion you cant make turnovers and expect to win, the competition is too stiff. Now on the Ohio and beat the north Champion..Good luck Guys!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 04, 2005, 04:41:29 PM
Just read the article about Mangus....

Possibly leavin for Wisconsin

Any truth on this?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVC_Film_Guy on December 04, 2005, 04:59:35 PM
Quote from: bossman05 on December 04, 2005, 04:41:29 PM
Just read the article about Mangus....

Possibly leavin for Wisconsin

Any truth on this?

1) What article?

2) Hope not. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 04, 2005, 06:45:02 PM
The Intelligencer

Is it the end?
Staff writer Drew Markol says that there is a good chance G.A. Mangus has just coached his last game at Delaware Valley College.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 04, 2005, 07:24:23 PM
bossman05:

As a courtesy, you might wish to provide the exact URL for an article on Mangus. Otherwise, those of us who don't reside in Bucks County just don't know what on earth you are talking about. Please, pretty please ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 04, 2005, 07:41:28 PM
yes post the URL......JT also posted that Mangus said DVC was the better team in a press conference?

Not really PROFessional in my opinion.

Great season for the Aggies!

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 04, 2005, 07:51:59 PM
WT et al:

The Doylestown Intelligencer is at www.phillyburbs.com.  Unfortunately they don't post articles the same day they appear in the paper so we'll have to wait for the link to Drew Markol's story.

Mangus was candid with a couple of the regulars including Markol and myself after most writers left yesterday's postgame conference, so I have some idea what may be in Drew's story.

Mangus is rumored to be a candidate for Co-Offensive Coordinator or QB Coach position at UW-Madison.  The Badgers are changing head coaches with the retirement of Barry Alvarez and the expected incoming coach, Bret Biliema, has a friendly relationship with Mangus.

You can read more about that here: http://www.jsonline.com/badger/fb/nov05/373908.asp

In a piece of geographic coincidence, Temple University is interviewing UW's current co-offensive coordinator Brian White for their vacancy, another job to which Mangus' name has been connected in the Philadelphia Inquirer.

With that said, there is no concrete offer on the table and no timetable for whether one will come, if it ever does.  Mangus said, after taking a couple days off, he's going back on the road recruiting for Del Val.  And he's talked at length with me and others about long term plans with the Aggies program, should that be in his future.  He seems to have developed a very good relationship with the school's President.

Drew told Mangus that his lead today would read that he may've coached his last game at Del Val.  Mangus responded, "You can write that if you want but I didn't say that.  You can editorialize in your story."

Bottom line -- nothing's happened at this point and it may not ever happen.  Mangus is still the head coach at Del Val.  We'll have to see how the rest of this plays out.

PS - Yes, he did say that about Rowan.  And, while Del Val hurt themselves with mistakes, I agree with you for what it's worth.  The Profs are the champs until someone beats them.  Hypotheticals don't change that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fargo on December 04, 2005, 10:26:47 PM
you guys worked so hard to get a chance back at rowan but you couldnt even beat them when all there stars were hurt.  after seeing your quarterback, i dont understand what all the hype is about he just stinks against rowan, he cant win the big game just like his coach

mac attack i mean the mac is whack!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fargo on December 04, 2005, 10:38:30 PM
From the Gloucester County Times:

"We were the better team," said Aggie head coach G.A. Mangus. "We outgained them, out-time-of-possesioned them. We should have won the game. We throw a pick at the goal line or we're up 21-0 at the half. We fumble on Red Snoopy, our quarterback sneak, on third-and-inches on a play we've made every time the last four years.


cry me a river mangus, face it you just cant beat rowan!!!!del val will never be the better team, ha

mac attack, i mean the mac is whack!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 04, 2005, 11:30:08 PM
Fargo:

You wait until now to post something cheap like that?

If you had watched Knoblauch for any period of time, you would understand his talent and value to the team.  Since you haven't -- or have some other axe to grind -- I hope you will bring something more meaningful to these boards.  If not, I can guarantee you that your stay will be short-lived.

PS - Interesting email address.  Are you bitter at Delaware Valley college for some reason?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fargo on December 04, 2005, 11:42:11 PM
no i dont have nothing bitter about del val because they have not won anything, i just didnt understand all the hype about the quarterback, he was not even as good as rowan's second string quarterback

mac attack!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 04, 2005, 11:46:37 PM
ur a joke fargo

i can tell u right now there wasn't one rowan fan that wasn't worried at halftime...

it was dvc's game until the mistakes....

also i'm sayin it now rowan loses by 20 this week......
mark my words......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fargo on December 05, 2005, 05:49:44 AM
they can loose by twenty this week, to come this far with backups i consider that a very successful season, and when it all comes down to it were still the beast of the east even with the second string

mac attack
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 05, 2005, 06:52:34 AM
Fargo....Go back to the NJAC board or the closet where you came from. It is apparent that you have never observed Knoblauch play before Saturday. All you have to do is look at his stats. It sounds like you have never played the game or you may have been just another frustrated "Pine Rider".  I can see talking Smak pre game but you come out of the closet now?? Go back to your closet or another board. You are not welcome here. I am sure you were wiping something at the half!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on December 05, 2005, 09:28:16 AM
billman56
He's one of yours since Mr. "Fargo" is Posting Up from the DelVal campus.

...talk about issues.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 05, 2005, 10:30:20 AM
yes, mommy and daddy are out at starbucks and left the computer on and little fargo is having his fun....time for him to go back to barney reruns as mommy and daddy will be home soon...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on December 05, 2005, 11:04:05 AM
I thought it was a great game played by two great teams, in conditions (weather and field) that were deplorable at best. We watched the game from the Brown & Gold Gridiron Club section in the end zone and, yes, I was a bit worried at the half. Great adjustments were made by RU and the D really stepped up. It was a game of two halfs and thankfully, RU won the half that counted the most.

The RU Sucks chant was a bit much as was the group of DVC supporters behind our tent chanting at 14-0, "Stick a fork in 'em, they're done" at every chance they had. But once the game was over, they were very commendable about RU and wished us well. 

Good luck to DVC in the future and to the fans as well, Happy Holidays.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 05, 2005, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: fargo on December 05, 2005, 05:49:44 AM
they can loose by twenty this week, to come this far with backups i consider that a very successful season, and when it all comes down to it were still the beast of the east even with the second string

mac attack


I'm callin you out, Fargo. I think you are a player, and players posting is not a good idea.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 05, 2005, 11:47:50 AM
Phil....Are you trying to tell me that Fargo is a DVC fan??? I hope not.

DR.XGSC....Good post bud...it was a good game.  I also heard the chant and send apologies...that  is not called for and in poor taste.

D3Phan....Hows that for good Karma???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on December 05, 2005, 12:02:07 PM
Bill
Click on Fargo's name and check out his email address. He's posting from the DelVal campus.

If not posting from the campus he's using "delval" in his email address.

If he's a Rowan fan or player who went through the trouble of setting up an email address with "delval" in it – well, someone needs to get a life.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 05, 2005, 12:03:06 PM
billman it was great meeting you. and we will be back!!! dr. x and jt good luck next week in representing the east!!! You cant turn the ball over 3 times inside your own 40 yard line and expect to win. It gave them life and you have to give rowan credit for taking advantage of the oppourtunity. I dont necessarily disagree with mangus comments, at best these teams played to a tie if not dvc out playing them. did dvc outgain and win the time of possession? he gave his honest opinion that in HIS opinion if dvc/rowan played 10 times that dvc would win the majority NOT ALL the games. Any good and competitive coach i would expect to say the same thing including all the coaches in ncaa tourney. If not i am not sure i would want them coaching my team.  again you cant turn the ball over and expect to beat any team. so good luck to rowan the rest of the way. you have been nothing but gracious in victory and we wish you well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 05, 2005, 12:46:53 PM
Phil...I dont believe he is from DVC, he is just another loser, who most likely came from another board to stir the pot. All in all he must be a loser who throws cheap shots AFTER the game is played and hides behind a posting name because he has no "Cajones" to identify himself. All posters should just ignore him totally.

Fargo...goodbye loser!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 05, 2005, 12:49:05 PM
D3PHAN.....I didnt get any positive Karma points for that one!


Upbrmeasap....Good meeting up with you also, and glad the gang treated you like family in my absence...will see you next season???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 05, 2005, 12:57:40 PM
you will see me next season....assuming my body defrosts by that time!!! I went up top to watch that second half (probably bad karma on my part i should of stayed where i was to continue dvc's good karma...) and the wind was worse up there i was standing up with a bunch of other people and were jumping around and was just about frozen solid by games end!!! Thx to DVC football team and coaching staff for another great season and run in the playoffs!!! also thought the game changed alot when carmon went out hurt on the kick off return. being up high i noticed they rolled their coverage over to marshall and we couldnt stretch the field like we were doing in the first half with carmon and marshall playing.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zman on December 05, 2005, 01:57:41 PM
Upbrmeasap:

Maybe so...but tell me, what possible purpose is served by a coach speculating on what might happen if they play another team 10 times other than to suggest that the team that won didn't deserve it and the team that lost blew it.  Perhaps instead of saying "if we didn't fumble that double reverse he wouldn't scored" he might have said "that was a dumb call in those conditions".....which it was.  And that kid had as much chance scoring as I do becoming the next Pope.

It was a great game.  The better TEAM won.  Again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 05, 2005, 02:17:40 PM
what was the question that was asked? was it taken out of context? did the reporter ask if you played rowan 10 times who would win most of the games? how was the question that was asked was he led towards giving this type of answer? Also i think you have to cut him a little slack he just came out of a game with all kinds of emotions running....its not like he said rowan stunk and didnt deserve to be there and if we played them 10 times we would win 10 times.... come on...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zman on December 05, 2005, 03:12:19 PM
UpBrMeAsap:

Momma always said, "Think before you speak." And if you're emotional, "Count 10 first." 
But there's more to it than that....I like to watch coaches on the sidelines...particularly when things go wrong...like when a QB throws an interception in the red zone...tells you a lot about them.  Try it sometime.

Ok, enough of this, lest someone starts throwing stones at MY glass house.   ;D

Bottom line is DVC has become a very competitive team and they should feel good about what they've accomplished.  Getting where they are is hard, and sustaining it is harder.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on December 05, 2005, 03:52:02 PM
Just a quick comment on the chants that were heard at the game.....they were to be sure "chanted " by a bunch of idiot kids who probably have never played a football game in their lives......or couldnt make the grade....come on guys I don't think I would have been able to find 1 person their Saturday that would agree that Rowan sucks...and where it counted there was alot of Character shown...and that was on the field...

Good luck Rowan make the East proud!

Happy Holidays to everyone..safe travels to Rowan!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 05, 2005, 04:13:22 PM
I did not hear the DVC-Rowan game but can tell from the paper and the postings it was a down to the wire contest.  While I am sorry that DVC did not win I am impressed by Rowan's victory, especially given the injuries to key personnel. 

Congrats to DVC for the great season.  Best wishes to Rowan as they go against the Purple Raiders. 

Again, Navy triumphed over Army and kept the Commander-in-Chief trophy for another year in Annapolis.  Navy has the #1 rushing offense in D1 - not too shabby for a service academy.

Wesley has me surprised.  Where did these guys come from?  Does anyone think it possible we may have an all East coast final?  That would be a hoot particularly after all the smack about the Texas teams and the West being so overpowering the last few years.

All the best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zman on December 05, 2005, 04:23:23 PM
D3:

There are idiots all over, and while I didn't like the "RU Sucks" chanting, that did not represent the majority of the DVC crowd.  Far from it.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fargo on December 05, 2005, 04:42:36 PM
on a serious note does anyone know if the del val quarterback is going to try to play in the nfl??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on December 05, 2005, 05:11:17 PM
Zman...


That was my point EXACTLY...maybe I didn't state it properly.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2005, 05:56:29 PM
Quote from: phil on December 05, 2005, 12:02:07 PM
Bill
Click on Fargo's name and check out his email address. He's posting from the DelVal campus.

If not posting from the campus he's using "delval" in his email address.

If he's a Rowan fan or player who went through the trouble of setting up an email address with "delval" in it – well, someone needs to get a life.

Well, I think that's what it is. He is not posting FROM Del Val's campus at all and since I already booted the kid once for violating the TOS with his last handle (the "so-and-so sucks" clause), I'm sure this is just another new e-mail address he cooked up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bandgpres on December 05, 2005, 06:12:11 PM
Guys , I personally found the DVC fans to be extremely cordial.................The one idiot behind the Brown & Gold tent saying "stick a fork In 'em" certainly was not representative of the crowd!
As far as Mangus goes , he's the one that has to live with that Dbl. reverse call under those conditions.Unfortunately for his players they must also.......It was a great game , regardless.
DVC  has earned the respect of the East ! Congratulations on another great season.
Profs..................Just remember........the last time w e beat Mighty Mount.............Our Def. Coordinator was our def. Capt./MLB............Hopefully his experiences will work to our benefit. Go Profs !
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 05, 2005, 07:15:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2005, 05:56:29 PM
Quote from: phil on December 05, 2005, 12:02:07 PM
Bill
Click on Fargo's name and check out his email address. He's posting from the DelVal campus.

If not posting from the campus he's using "delval" in his email address.

If he's a Rowan fan or player who went through the trouble of setting up an email address with "delval" in it – well, someone needs to get a life.

Well, I think that's what it is. He is not posting FROM Del Val's campus at all and since I already booted the kid once for violating the TOS with his last handle (the "so-and-so sucks" clause), I'm sure this is just another new e-mail address he cooked up.

Thanks to the guru for that explaination.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on December 05, 2005, 07:24:15 PM
ok... so congrats to Deleware Valley on making it so far, to Wilkes for making the playoffs, and Widener and Moravian for winning their ECAC games... but now that all of the teams in the MAC are done... who's takin it next year??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on December 05, 2005, 07:52:57 PM
Congrats to DVC's Adam Knoblauch for being invited to the Aztec bowl!!!!

Enjoy!!! ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 05, 2005, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: 4man on December 05, 2005, 07:52:57 PM
Congrats to DVC's Adam Knoblauch for being invited to the Aztec bowl!!!!

Enjoy!!! ;D

I think he and Elliot may get invited to a couple of other all-star games.  Oriehl may have also if he had not gotten hurt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2005, 08:02:34 PM
Orihel's only a junior, so any all-star game would cost him a year of eligibility.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 05, 2005, 08:10:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2005, 08:02:34 PM
Orihel's only a junior, so any all-star game would cost him a year of eligibility.

Why does that happen? He did play this year, so he'll lose the eligibility anyway. Unless he medically redshirted.
If this is in the FAQ, I bow to the greatness of the Guru.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2005, 10:23:40 PM
Playing in an all-star game would cost him his SENIOR year of eligibility.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 05, 2005, 11:49:17 PM
For some reason I thought he was a senior this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Reno Hightower on December 06, 2005, 09:10:59 AM
are those WR's seniors?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 06, 2005, 10:58:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2005, 10:23:40 PM
Playing in an all-star game would cost him his SENIOR year of eligibility.

Guru,
I'm such a bonehead. I must have forgotten that the Aztec Bowl is for seniors, not juniors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 06, 2005, 11:18:30 AM
Fargo...go back to the closet where you came from, all posters should ignore this cramudgen, nothing but negative postings. Dont you worry about Knoblauch, he will make out just fine. You are so classless that you would not be able to inflate the tires on the car that takes his laundry to the cleaners.

D3Phan....no Karma points for that one huh??
I see your Karma points are coming up?

Upbrmeasap, D3Phan, Readytorock, 4Man, Pat Coleman,Pat Cummings, Gordon Mann...Happy Holidays to all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 06, 2005, 12:18:18 PM
same to you billman and rest of posters on the boards...happy holidays everyone! With all that is going on in the world its nice to be able to have some dialogue and fun with people without it getting out of hand(most of the time....)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on December 06, 2005, 01:58:13 PM
[As far as Mangus goes , he's the one that has to live with that Dbl. reverse call under those conditions.Unfortunately for his players they must also]by bandgpress

[....I like to watch coaches on the sidelines...particularly when things go wrong...like when a QB throws an interception in the red zone...tells you a lot about them.  Try it sometime.]by zman

First let me say thanks to the DelVal football team for an exciting and successful season! It's been a privilege to watch Adam and the rest of the seniors and we wish them the best in their post Aggies careers. Coach Mangus' brand of football is a thrill a minute and certainly never disappoints.

To the comments above -- 1st: regarding the reverse call, though you may not have agreed with it that's his style he's never been conservative and if the play had worked you would have said he was a genius. It's certainly a lot easier to determine the value of such a play call after the fact. If not for his fearlessness and trust in his players this team would certainly not have gone undefeated in the MAC over the last two seasons.
2nd: Your not too veiled attempt at bashing GA did not go unnoticed and to you I say only this: ask Adam how he feels about GA as a coach--that's all that matters, since it's obvious he wouldn't be where he is without Mangus.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 06, 2005, 05:38:10 PM
Reno:

I believe Wright and Silva are seniors.  I'm not sure about the others.

But, if this postseason has taught us anything, it's that Rowan has the depth to reload, not rebuild.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 06, 2005, 06:55:57 PM
So my fellow MAC posters who are we pulling for now that DVC is out?

I much prefer an all EAST final with Wesley v. Rowan and the school from Delaware winning.

NCAA D3 kills me with their regional settings.  At one time they had Lycoming in the South - at least with Wesley they are technically below the Mason-Dixon line.

The Army-Navy game was phenomenal and it sounds like DVC had Rowan but let them slip away - I hate when that happens.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all.

I enjoyed our season of banter very much and will most likely not be on the East coast next football season.

All the best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 07, 2005, 10:02:25 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 06, 2005, 06:55:57 PM
So my fellow MAC posters who are we pulling for now that DVC is out?

I much prefer an all EAST final with Wesley v. Rowan and the school from Delaware winning.

NCAA D3 kills me with their regional settings.  At one time they had Lycoming in the South - at least with Wesley they are technically below the Mason-Dixon line.

The Army-Navy game was phenomenal and it sounds like DVC had Rowan but let them slip away - I hate when that happens.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all.

I enjoyed our season of banter very much and will most likely not be on the East coast next football season.

All the best

Lyco,

Actually  (http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa041999.htm)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 07, 2005, 10:37:08 AM
here is the link for drew markol's sit down interview with coach mangus where he discusses the rumored wisconsin position and the future of dvc's program its a good read and g.a. is very candid and straightforward with his responses of course there seems to be some on these boards that dont like that mangus is honest and gives a direct response to the questions (i find it quite refreshing and his confidence in himself and coaching staff is what draws some many good players to him that has been stated numerous times by his players...)
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-12072005-580745.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 07, 2005, 06:43:52 PM
Stalker,

Tres interesting my learned amigo.

I did not know that tidbit irt the Mason-Dixon line.  Let me restate:

Wesley is merely to the East of the aforementioned Mason-Dixon line while Williamsport, PA - home to the Lycoming Warriors - is most definitely north of the line sometimes used to divide North and South in the mid-19th century.

What a hoot!  I love PP since you can always learn from another.

All the best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 07, 2005, 06:48:07 PM
Stalker,

Also irt your posting of "Actually" Delaware while being East of the Mason-Dixon line remained a slave state yet somehow stayed in the Union during the Civil War.

Perhaps the D3 sections have an historic basis for their confusion after all.

Thanks for bringing this piece of trivia to my attention.  I stand corrected and indeed am a better informed man for the exercise.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 07, 2005, 08:05:03 PM
That was because Delaware was a neutral state....but if anyone has been below New Castle county (Northern DE)  it's about as south as you can get...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 07, 2005, 08:06:55 PM
I think the tip of Cape May is below the Mason-Dixon line officially, too.  That would explain some of the inbreds in South Jersey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 07, 2005, 08:16:37 PM
I'm from South Jersey....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on December 07, 2005, 08:20:40 PM
Lyco80...

Have to back the Prof's since they now represent the MAC and all other Conferences in the East....I agree that until someone knocks them off, they are the BE"A"ST, with or without the "A"....Their year after year depth in the skill positions is the major reason why...This year is a prime example...Go get 'em Prof's...N JAC ATTACK!!!...

Congratulations to the Aggies and their fans on a fine season...As one pos(t)er throughout the season stated...May the recruiting wars for that prime SNJ/Philly talent begin...Me....I'll be off to Hershey PA Friday night for my high school's State AAA Football Championship....
ROLLLL TIDE!!!....
Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 07, 2005, 08:32:54 PM
Simba:  karma to you!!    ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL   TIDE!! 8)

Wife's from 'BAMA!!     GO PROFS!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 07, 2005, 08:48:49 PM
i could use a little karma AC

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

Go Profs!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ACMob on December 07, 2005, 08:50:21 PM
already hit ya Rtex!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOO   PROFS!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 07, 2005, 09:07:08 PM
Question...

If Mangus and big if would leave del val, will they be able to continue their success?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 07, 2005, 10:30:50 PM
Good question.

I think, for there to be any chance of that, the facilities need to get upgraded.  That's going to catch up to them sooner or later.  Without Mangus, my guess is it's the former.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on December 08, 2005, 09:18:48 AM
Happy Holidays to the MAC posters from an NJAC Poster.

+ Karma to each of you in this Merry State of Karmonesty.

In order for Del Val to continue to strive towards success (whether or not their coach leaves or not), they MUST upgrade their football field, stands, concessions and restrooms. I thought the fan base was great, except for those male students who decided to cheer topless. They were into the game and they kept the momentum going through the first half and again in the 4th quarter.

I am sure that in the future, the paths of the NJAC and MAC will cross again. Have a great holiday season everyone.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on December 08, 2005, 01:15:29 PM
Mangus is gonna leave cuz he doesnt have knoblach and cook... so next year when they arent undefeated, he cant have fingers pointing at him... Everyone has there own opinion and I hope im not bein rude, im sorry, I just dont like the man too much.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on December 08, 2005, 01:55:26 PM
Ahhh MACguy you may be completely suprised about who and what will be at DelVal next year and as for Mangus everybody hates a winner!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 08, 2005, 05:32:36 PM
A couple of thoughts...

First Dr X right back at ya....and good luck next week.  Can't wait to the home and home...

Now on to Del Val

I personally hope that GA stays, as DV has represented the MAC well the last few years and stepped up to a level that I doubt the rest of the teams could have ....

In regards to the team, the potential loss of GA will have some impact, but in most cases teams that "peak" do not immediately bottom out (except the Eagles :))  His impact will be felt in that program for several years, and as long as his succesor is not totally inept, DV will continue to be competitive for the MAC title...

Now  to the DV faithful...

STOP BEING PARANOID....the rest of the MAC faithful do not hate you....

The dominant team always is put under a microscope, and that means we will pick apart everything you do...just enjoy the ride....

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on December 08, 2005, 06:59:34 PM
GA Mangus built DV into a regional contender.  His recruits should all be on the roster for the next few years.  If he does leave the next coach should just take the program and run with it.  It happened to Rowan they went from John Bunting to KC Keeler to Jay Accorsi and haven't really missed a beat.  Its getting the program into the upper echelon thats the hardest challenge and didn't GA do that?  Give the guy some PROPS!!

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 09, 2005, 09:17:19 AM
If everyone reads the link i posted earlier IF mangus leaves dvc, the program will be in good hands. Mangus has stated who the successor will be and he was brought in for that reason. I do not see dvc falling much at all if mangus were to leave right now. they lose 4 starters from this years team. yes the qb and rb but cook the tailback was splitting time with an underclassmen. That is a bunch of starters back with lots of experience. As mangus says they are now looking to build depth into their roster. dvc is very young and loaded with talent if mangus were to leave i am pretty sure most of the current staff would stay. They are also going to be upgrading the facilities so things look very bright at dvc. Yes that will stick a number of people's crawl the dvc and mangus are successful. My guess will also be that mangus will be bringing in some top flight qb's to play. So hopefully our football team can now match the success of dvc's wrestling team!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on December 09, 2005, 11:07:48 AM
Billman, Readytorock, All D3 Fans

Happy Holidays!!!!

Safe travels and fun times over the Holidays.

Billman...need your address ..please email it to me....I have something that belongs to your other half.

-9 karma....geeesh   what did I do now?

A special Thank you for all the work that is involved in making this site what it is!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on December 10, 2005, 01:47:12 PM
FYI

today @2pm on ABC, the All-American Show is on,  Coach "G" 's 250 victory is supposed to be mentioned.  We'll see !

Happy Holidays to everyone!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on December 10, 2005, 02:28:53 PM
Very nicely done.....and the great Keith Jackson narrating.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 12, 2005, 12:24:06 PM
Congrats to the aggies placing 7 players on the d3football.com all east team well done!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 12, 2005, 10:59:47 PM
Simba,

Heard from a well-placed source in Williamsport that Coach "G" has been asked to hang until the President of the College steps down in a couple of years.  Any truth to the rumor from your sources?  Interesting thought - did not know the President was thinking of retiring so soon or that "G" was planning on staying on.

What say you?  For that matter, any other MAC folks have any input?

And by the way, how is that I am in the negative and guys who cannot even form complete sentences on here have positive karma?

As Seinfeld would opine - "I am without speech."

Merry Christmas to all and to all a goodnight.

Good game Rowan - go UWW!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 14, 2005, 09:28:30 AM
Readytorock.....Congrats to your guy  for the ECAC award, very nice and well deserved. Our guy missed the East region selection....he posted the stats and points but must have been overlooked?

D3Phan...did you get the information I emailed you??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: readytorock on December 14, 2005, 12:38:12 PM
Billman: I thought the point totals were the thing for the kickers...I know he set a school record this year alone and he's the alltime  scorer... go figure? don't know how they don't know all this.   By the way, there are quite a few MAC guys on the ECAC team and both wideouts from Rowan ...looking to see how it plays out for the january ALL ECAC ! any thoughts? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 14, 2005, 01:38:51 PM
readytorock.....I havent a clue how it will all fall out...I thought it would be based on performance alone, but I guess not.  The Kicker from Kings Point had one hell of a year with field goals...godd for him!! Would have liked to see Knoblauch win the Gagliardi trophy. His career was something to be witnessed. Its not like he came down to D3 from DI and made all of the accomplishments. 

Well when does "camp" start...are we there yet??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: swimma on December 14, 2005, 02:02:12 PM
lyco80...

  As a student here at lyco alot of changes have been happening over the past two to three years...Lots of staff have changed from the cafe to the admin staff...the possiblity of President Douthat stepping down in the next couple years could be part of all these changes....with that I would not be suprised if G stepped down at that time too as he has been rumored to be pondering the idea..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 15, 2005, 10:49:31 PM
Swimma,

Thanks for the comeback.  I heard from Bill Byham, one of the broadcasters who covers the Warriors, that Coach G will, indeed, be returning for next season.

Additionally, the Sons of Italy are honoring him with a banquet on the 21st of January in Williamsport.

I sure bet it is cold in Williamsport this week - brrrr.....I am still thawing out from the blizzard of 1978.

And with the thermometer - my karma continues to fall as well - and to think, "I used to be somebody, I coulda been a contender."

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on December 16, 2005, 12:04:20 PM
Lyco80...
My sources confirm what your sources have stated so only time will tell...Pasta for everyone on the 21st of Jan!!!...And yes, there was ice on the inside of the windows in East Hall (Sigma Pi) for the whole month of Jan that year...Negative Chill index for weeks!!!...Will never forget that...I do remember the 70's now!!!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 18, 2005, 07:19:12 AM
Well, well, well - MU wins another D3 title.  What a big surprise!  Am I the only one who thinks it is way past time for them to move up to D2?  Personally, as a member of the United Methodist Church and clergy it tickles me to think that a small, United Methodist school in Ohio is the D3 national powerhouse year after year.  But isn't it time for them to try their mettle agains the Georgia Southern's of the world? 

UWW - lost the game at the end of the second half when their tight end dropped a certain touchdown and later when they were third and goal and someone missed a blocking assignment on either the LB or Safety who stuffed ole Justin with a most righteous hit.  Turnovers then sealed their fate.

MU was clearly on their game and their D just tightened things up as the game wore on.

8 out of 13 is an awesome feat - but shouldn't the NCAA challenge them to move up after all these accomplishments?

By the way, where do all the D2 players in Ohio go to school anyway?  Perhaps the dearth of D2 and D1AA schools in Ohio might explain the gene pool at Alliance.

I noticed that the Empire8, LL and MAC are all very silent these days.  Although, LL is sometimes amusingly active about other matters than football and well worth the occasional scan for the chuckle and random photos.

Merry Christmas.

All The Best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patron2 on December 18, 2005, 01:15:25 PM
I dont know that Mount should move up.  You cant fault Kehres for being in a great situation and taking advantage of it. 

If they are too successful, maybe the NCAA should ask Southern Cal to tone it down as well???  Or maybe Grand Valley should move to 1AA??? 

As Bobby Bowden told Lou Holtz..."It's not my job to coach your team.  If you dont like it, coach better, recruit better, or change the schedule."

I am waiting for Florida and California to figure out how to play d3 football.  That would be intersting...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on December 18, 2005, 03:35:18 PM
Curious if any of you folks with Lyco sources have heard about any possible shifts to a new conference. 

I heard from a pretty good source with the organization that a move to a league slightly farther north is a real possibility a couple years down the road.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2005, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 18, 2005, 07:19:12 AM
Well, well, well - MU wins another D3 title.  What a big surprise!  Am I the only one who thinks it is way past time for them to move up to D2? 

This isn't european soccer. Winning a division doesn't mean you have to move "up" a level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 18, 2005, 05:48:46 PM
Quote from: tecmobowler on December 18, 2005, 03:35:18 PM
Curious if any of you folks with Lyco sources have heard about any possible shifts to a new conference. 

I heard from a pretty good source with the organization that a move to a league slightly farther north is a real possibility a couple years down the road.

Lord, not another MAC team jumping ship!

On the other hand, if they want to go, let 'em go. Maybe they will join the Liberty League along with Susquehanna and thus enjoy endless treks by bus to St. Lawrence (a venue not all that far-removed from Montreal; after the game, they could venture up to that lovely city and polish their French-Canadian patois skills).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2005, 06:14:02 PM
I thought he was referring to the Empire 8.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 18, 2005, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2005, 06:14:02 PM
I thought he was referring to the Empire 8.

Perhaps it doesn't matter ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 05:50:18 AM
Quote from: patron2 on December 18, 2005, 01:15:25 PM
I dont know that Mount should move up.  You cant fault Kehres for being in a great situation and taking advantage of it. 

If they are too successful, maybe the NCAA should ask Southern Cal to tone it down as well???  Or maybe Grand Valley should move to 1AA??? 

As Bobby Bowden told Lou Holtz..."It's not my job to coach your team.  If you dont like it, coach better, recruit better, or change the schedule."

I am waiting for Florida and California to figure out how to play d3 football.  That would be intersting...

Glad for the comment, I am. 

Where can USC go?  As for Grand Valley, did they win 110 games in a row at their level?  Since there is no answer for the first question - Southern Cal cannot go pro, and Grand Valley did not dominate their level ala MU both questions are truly species but amusing.

Not faulting Kehres or anyone but merely pointing out that clearly MU continues to dominate the sport and level unlike any team with whom they regularly compete.

Naturally sports is replete with dynasties - the Yankees of the 1950s and the Celtics of the same era - John Wooden's UCLA Bruins - but these teams were not only Cock of the Walk but at the highest level of competition for their sport.

All I am suggesting is that it is obviously clear that MU is capable of handling stiffer competition since they routinely run through the OAC and then the NCAA playoff system.

Thanks for the comeback though.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 05:53:10 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2005, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 18, 2005, 07:19:12 AM
Well, well, well - MU wins another D3 title.  What a big surprise!  Am I the only one who thinks it is way past time for them to move up to D2? 

This isn't european soccer. Winning a division doesn't mean you have to move "up" a level.

For the record, please notice I never implied they had to "move" up a level but merely suggested that for a team that wins 110 in a row and dominates both their conference year after year and then the playoffs it might be time for some serious minds to consider if this is in the best interests of D3 and Mount Union.

Curious it is that this suggestion seems so threatening to others.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 06:01:09 AM
Quote from: tecmobowler on December 18, 2005, 03:35:18 PM
Curious if any of you folks with Lyco sources have heard about any possible shifts to a new conference. 

I heard from a pretty good source with the organization that a move to a league slightly farther north is a real possibility a couple years down the road.



Tecmo,

I will nose around after the holidays and see if I can find anything out.  I do not see Lycoming joining the LL but perhaps the Empire8 might be a better fit.  The departure of Susquehanna, Moravian and Juniata will have some sweeping implications for the MAC, and not just in football.  It will be interesting to see where this all leads.

Merry Christmas.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on December 19, 2005, 06:55:48 AM
Id stay where you are.  The less teams per conference in a pool a system the better. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 19, 2005, 08:12:41 AM
How about investigating the joining of NESCAC? {For those of you who can find no humor in anything NESCAC related, please note that the foregoing is intended as a joke even if it is not funny to you.}
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 19, 2005, 08:31:13 AM
maybe i am way way off here and pat or warren can chime in and correct me but i thought i remember reading somewhere that mount union was at the div II level and dropped to div III....thus when they first started winning all these championships they had a number of div II players playing against div III players....of course that was a long time ago and success gets success evident by their recruiting and keeping great things going. Or maybe i put too much brandy in my egg nog and am thinking of another team....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 19, 2005, 08:36:20 AM
I don't think that scenario applies to Mount Union, but something roughly similar happened at Dayton.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2005, 08:52:40 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 19, 2005, 08:31:13 AM
maybe i am way way off here and pat or warren can chime in and correct me but i thought i remember reading somewhere that mount union was at the div II level and dropped to div III....thus when they first started winning all these championships they had a number of div II players playing against div III players....of course that was a long time ago and success gets success evident by their recruiting and keeping great things going. Or maybe i put too much brandy in my egg nog and am thinking of another team....

To my knowledge, MUC has always competed at the D3 level. They had some good and some not so good seasons under Ken Wable; they took off with the advent of Larry Kehres (in 1986?), though there was that "down" year, 1989, when they went 7-2-1.

Dayton is a different story. The Flyers are D1 in basketball, but, until the rules were changed, played D3 football (they now are D1AA non-scholarship, I believe).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 19, 2005, 10:02:59 AM
thx warren, hmmmm i get a -22 karma for what?? putting too much brandy in my egg nog???? bah humbug i say!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 19, 2005, 11:47:18 AM
About 20 years ago Dayton was playing DIA football competing with Mid-America Conference colleges and the like. Then in one year it went directly to DIII football and, as I recall, consequently withdrew its football grants-in-aid to its football players (I don't remember whether Dayton players were given the option of staying at Dayton keeping their grants-in-aid but without having the opportunity to play football). Some of Dayton's players transfered to other college programs, but others stayed at Dayton without grants-in-aid and played football. Until this latter group played out its eligibility at Dayton, Dayton was playing a non-scholarship schedule with a substantial number of scholarship quality players who at that time were not on football scholarship. In these circumstances Dayton went to the DIII playoffs for several years and in 1989 won it. Does anyone have a better recollection of this matter?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 11:55:03 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 19, 2005, 08:31:13 AM
maybe i am way way off here

You're way off, yes. :)

Frank, I think what happened at Dayton was they were giving scholarships to track athletes who just happened to also play football.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 12:51:28 PM
I am most pleased to see the chatter of late as it relates to parity at the lower levels of NCAA college football. 

Let me rephrase my concern and issue one more time.

If there were a football team at the D1, D1AA, D2 level that won 110 regular season games in a row and then won the national championship 8 out of 13 years there would be something like congressional hearings or an NCAA investigation.  That is a regular season rate of 100% and a national championship success of 62% during this span.  Meanwhile, MUC is overwhelmingly succesful year after year and people seem afraid to even discuss the "notion" of them considering moving up in competition as if such a matter were "un-American."

The very nature of competition demands that your opponent has some reasonable probability at victory, if not, then this is something other than competition.  Sure on any given day, blah, blah, blah, but the truth is that MUC is a juggernaut that has, and will, continue to run roughshod over much of D3.  I see nothing in the present or near future to change that and wonder why more people are not questioning the status quo rather than defending it. 

Also, does anyone else find it curious that Garcon, the MUC talented wide-receiver, left the warmth of Florida for the cool-weather of Ohio, by-passing any number of scholarship offering schools (D1, D1AA, D2) along the way? 

As far as I can see, you cannot have it both ways.  To wit, if he travelled that far to play in Alliance that only underscores my point that MUC will continue to pound other D3 schools.  Or, just perhaps, they are really are a D2 program masquerading at the D3 level.

Also, UWW has an enrollment of 10,500 and MUC 2,200.  Again, the sheer numbers and mathematics would seem to indicate that UWW has a 5 times greater probability of fielding a stronger team.  And yes, trust me, I know about statistics and having taken graduate courses in regression to the mean and linear progression so I know how figures can be manipulated. 

I have posted enough on here to know that the rest of you can snipe and smite at me at will and pick apart my arguments in their minutae.  How about instead of that a reasoned dialogue that entertains the notion that the level of D3 football is elevating or changing?  Or even a discussion about the merits of encouraging the most dominate programs to consider moving up.

I wonder what is at stake here - pride, money or something else? 

And I am not looking to get smacked here - just hoping to get some interaction from MAC posters and the occasional browsers from other leagues.

Merry Christmas.

All The Best



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 19, 2005, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2005, 06:14:02 PM
I thought he was referring to the Empire 8.

As an E8 guy, we don't want Lycoming in the conference... UC needs to improve, not decline  :D :o

(Disclaimer: This is a joke, in case you don't know.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 19, 2005, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 12:51:28 PM
I am most pleased to see the chatter of late as it relates to parity at the lower levels of NCAA college football. 

Let me rephrase my concern and issue one more time.

If there were a football team at the D1, D1AA, D2 level that won 110 regular season games in a row and then won the national championship 8 out of 13 years there would be something like congressional hearings or an NCAA investigation.  That is a regular season rate of 100% and a national championship success of 62% during this span.  Meanwhile, MUC is overwhelmingly succesful year after year and people seem afraid to even discuss the "notion" of them considering moving up in competition as if such a matter were "un-American."

The very nature of competition demands that your opponent has some reasonable probability at victory, if not, then this is something other than competition.  Sure on any given day, blah, blah, blah, but the truth is that MUC is a juggernaut that has, and will, continue to run roughshod over much of D3.  I see nothing in the present or near future to change that and wonder why more people are not questioning the status quo rather than defending it. 

Also, does anyone else find it curious that Garcon, the MUC talented wide-receiver, left the warmth of Florida for the cool-weather of Ohio, by-passing any number of scholarship offering schools (D1, D1AA, D2) along the way? 

As far as I can see, you cannot have it both ways.  To wit, if he travelled that far to play in Alliance that only underscores my point that MUC will continue to pound other D3 schools.  Or, just perhaps, they are really are a D2 program masquerading at the D3 level.

Also, UWW has an enrollment of 10,500 and MUC 2,200.  Again, the sheer numbers and mathematics would seem to indicate that UWW has a 5 times greater probability of fielding a stronger team.  And yes, trust me, I know about statistics and having taken graduate courses in regression to the mean and linear progression so I know how figures can be manipulated. 

I have posted enough on here to know that the rest of you can snipe and smite at me at will and pick apart my arguments in their minutae.  How about instead of that a reasoned dialogue that entertains the notion that the level of D3 football is elevating or changing?  Or even a discussion about the merits of encouraging the most dominate programs to consider moving up.

I wonder what is at stake here - pride, money or something else? 

And I am not looking to get smacked here - just hoping to get some interaction from MAC posters and the occasional browsers from other leagues.

Merry Christmas.

All The Best





Garcon WAS an E8 guy before playing for the national champs, by the way... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on December 19, 2005, 01:18:33 PM
I assume it was grades or SAT's that kept him out of a D-1 type school. Not sure when enticed him about Norwich, or how he eventually ended up with Mount.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2005, 01:22:07 PM
D3football.com "Features" column for 28 September 2005 highlights Garcon. He wanted to go to Syracuse, but his SATs kept him out. He played one year for Norwich before transferring to Mt. Union for the current season.

Thus, I suppose we can infer from the facts above that his SAT scores kept him out of D1, yet were good enough for a couple of D3 venues.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 19, 2005, 01:22:20 PM
i watched the game and was really impressed by both qb's they had strong arms and both teams were well coached. congrats to mu on another trophy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 'gro on December 19, 2005, 02:31:35 PM
Lyco... you need to dumb down your posts for the Gro, my brain hurts.

I Don't know what to think about MUC's stance at the top of D3. As a fan, seeing them win just about every year gets boring. But they do set the standard of excellence... so when a team like SJU beats them (and handles them soundly) like in 03... it's big news.

A few years back it was Marshall and Youngstown St that owned DI-AA... Marshall made the move, Youngstown didn't.

I really don't know where this post is going so I'll just stop here and say "when in rome".
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 19, 2005, 03:10:32 PM
Mount Union's competitors have 4 alternatives within their control: 1) keep on doing what they have been doing and accept the consequences; 2) attempt to get better; 3)acquiesce and attempt to get worse; and 4) stop competing with Mount Union. There is a lot of running room within those options. No need for Mount Union to change its relationship to DIII.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 12:51:28 PM
Also, UWW has an enrollment of 10,500 and MUC 2,200.  Again, the sheer numbers and mathematics would seem to indicate that UWW has a 5 times greater probability of fielding a stronger team.

That would be true if everyone on the team was a walk-on, but since student-athletes are recruited to schools specifically to play, that is not the case.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on December 19, 2005, 06:34:18 PM
Posters,
The type of kids going to Mt. Union are a whole different grouping than standard D3 kids.  Many of these kids historically are kids that could not make it at Ohio State, or other D1 schools, either academically or athletically, or both.  They recently had a kid that was a top lineman recruit at Ohio State, but could not get the magic 700 on his college boards.  Look no secret here, if you want to have a consistently top program in D3, you gotta find a way to attract athletes first and students second.  Yea, I know this statement will anger some readers, but it is what it is, THE TRUTH.  Wishing all readers a blessed holiday season and a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: EngiNegro on December 19, 2005, 02:31:35 PM
Lyco... you need to dumb down your posts for the Gro, my brain hurts.

I Don't know what to think about MUC's stance at the top of D3. As a fan, seeing them win just about every year gets boring. But they do set the standard of excellence... so when a team like SJU beats them (and handles them soundly) like in 03... it's big news.

A few years back it was Marshall and Youngstown St that owned DI-AA... Marshall made the move, Youngstown didn't.

I really don't know where this post is going so I'll just stop here and say "when in rome".
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 06:49:34 PM
Gro,

Sorry - not intended to cause pain only to spark comment.  By the way, you have some of the funniest comments to date on any league's page and I enjoy you and your LLs banter very much - especially LewDog (sp?).

How is GrampaGro doing?

The Stagg Bowl showcased two very talented and powerful teams and I remain curious about the pilgrimmage of WR Garcon and think his journey is likely to remain a mystery.

Perhaps Cold Case can examine the forensic evidence for us all.

All The Best

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 06:57:47 PM
Quote from: MOJO on December 19, 2005, 06:34:18 PM
Posters,
The type of kids going to Mt. Union are a whole different grouping than standard D3 kids.  Many of these kids historically are kids that could not make it at Ohio State, or other D1 schools, either academically or athletically, or both.  They recently had a kid that was a top lineman recruit at Ohio State, but could not get the magic 700 on his college boards.  Look no secret here, if you want to have a consistently top program in D3, you gotta find a way to attract athletes first and students second.  Yea, I know this statement will anger some readers, but it is what it is, THE TRUTH.  Wishing all readers a blessed holiday season and a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year.

Mojo,

Thanks for the info.  Hence my suggestion that maybe they are really a D2 team masquerading at the D3 level. 

Therefore, all the attempts to improve your program will not undo the edge they enjoy in recruitment.  I suppose they benefit from Ohio State and Michigan being such nearby D1 powerhouses with hardly many D2 schools in the area as viable alternatives.  This, plus their national reputation creates an inherent imbalance that sheer will from other schools is unlikely to overcome. 

I cannot speak for other regions in the country but such is not the case in PA with its Kutztown's, Slippery Rock, etc. who naturally will be happy to enroll quality players unable to compete at the D1 level for Joe Pa.

Like I said earlier, if this were going on at a higher level there would be all sorts of outcries to fix something and yet at D3 it is just another year for MUC and the Purple Raiders.  Fascinating.

All The Best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 19, 2005, 07:09:28 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 06:49:34 PM

... and I remain curious about the pilgrimmage of WR Garcon and think his journey is likely to remain a mystery.

What's the "mystery"? Apparently, he went where the action is ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 07:56:26 PM
Oh there is always more to the story than meets the eye.

Where is the mystery?

How about these questions just to get the ball rolling?

1) Why Norwich in the first place when MUC was there all along?

2) What happened at Norwich after he arrived to dissuade him only to subsequently matriculate at MUC?

3) Who "alerted" him to where the action was?

4) How come he was ignorant of this until after he arrived at Norwich?

5) How come he did not enroll at Linfield, the current NCAA D3 champion?

6) And maybe even this one - what sort of network does MUC have that they can see into Florida or the Northeast to track a player given that this is just D3 athletics and all and no scholarships or anything available?

These are but a few questions that immediately come to mind.  Naturally, there are others, but since there are no obvious answers I remain convinced of the existence of "the mystery."

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 09:56:28 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 07:56:26 PM
Oh there is always more to the story than meets the eye.

Where is the mystery?

How about these questions just to get the ball rolling?

1) Why Norwich in the first place when MUC was there all along?

2) What happened at Norwich after he arrived to dissuade him only to subsequently matriculate at MUC?

3) Who "alerted" him to where the action was?

4) How come he was ignorant of this until after he arrived at Norwich?

5) How come he did not enroll at Linfield, the current NCAA D3 champion?

6) And maybe even this one - what sort of network does MUC have that they can see into Florida or the Northeast to track a player given that this is just D3 athletics and all and no scholarships or anything available?

These are but a few questions that immediately come to mind.  Naturally, there are others, but since there are no obvious answers I remain convinced of the existence of "the mystery."

ATB


Lots of speculation. If you'd listened to our Stagg Bowl broadcast or read Mark Simon's piece in September on the subject, you'd know the following:

1) An acquaintance of Garcon's high school coach was coaching at Norwich.
2) Coaching change.
3) He read about Mount Union on D3football.com
4) Good question -- but how much do you think Division III is on the radar in Florida, since there are no D-III schools in the state and no D-III football programs in Georgia either?
5) Dunno. Maybe he thought Oregon was too far from home, or that there were too many returning receivers at Linfield.
6) They didn't track him in Florida or in the Northeast at all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 11:49:44 PM
Pat,

Truly, you are amazing and within two hours too.

Still, Garcon self-recruits to MUC underscoring my point that the rich get richer so how will the rest of D3 ever catch up if such is the case.

Coach K should send the folks at D3football.com and autographed game ball for the assist.

I did watch the game but plead ignorance to listening to your broadcast and did not fully engage on here until October so I missed the article.

Still - you are everywhere and most impressive in your grasp of the matter. 

My hat is off to you.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 20, 2005, 04:36:07 PM
congrats to dvc's off. center damien ciecwisz and qb adam knoblauch to being named first and third team all americans by d3football.com....well done!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on December 21, 2005, 09:17:57 AM
upbrmeasap....Congrats to the Aggies who made the All American teams...That goes without saying. Listing Knoblauch on the third team was a disgrace in my opinion.  He had another great year and ended an incredible career. Maybe you could point out to me the criteria needed to be placed on the 1st team. If he didnt have the credentials I dont know who would. He didnt step down from DI to play with the little guys in D3.

All the best to you and your family over the holidays.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bwana on December 21, 2005, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 19, 2005, 11:49:44 PM
Pat,

Truly, you are amazing and within two hours too.

Still, Garcon self-recruits to MUC underscoring my point that the rich get richer so how will the rest of D3 ever catch up if such is the case.

Coach K should send the folks at D3football.com and autographed game ball for the assist.

I did watch the game but plead ignorance to listening to your broadcast and did not fully engage on here until October so I missed the article.

Still - you are everywhere and most impressive in your grasp of the matter. 

My hat is off to you.

ATB
One add-on to Pat's observations...starting in 2006 LaGrange College of Lagrange, GA.  will field a D3 football team.  But that will be it for D3 football teams in FL and GA, and I think maybe even SC and AL.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2005, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: Billman56 on December 21, 2005, 09:17:57 AM
Maybe you could point out to me the criteria needed to be placed on the 1st team.

Be the best quarterback in Division III.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 21, 2005, 04:13:40 PM
his numbers speak volumes about that pat.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
If you go by numbers, Mitch Tanney would've been considered the best QB in D-III entering the playoffs, and what exactly did it get Monmouth against St. John's? Three points and 3.9 yards passing per attempt.

I see Knoblauch with little more than half the touchdowns and nearly twice the interceptions of Brett Elliott. I see Elliott throwing for 700 more yards in 18 fewer attempts than Knoblauch. Elliott has 60 more yards of total offense per game than Knoblauch even though Knoblauch benefits in that stat from all his rushing yardage.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 22, 2005, 08:28:32 AM
then also compare the teams they played against...i dont have the benefit of knowing the quality of teams elliott played against...as well as did elliott play entire games and pad his stats late in a blow out game? i am not trying to a wise arse here, i figure you have much better resources than i do for that information. Also not knocking elliott he is a very very good qb. Just seems a little strange that knoblauch sets an incredible yardage marker and third team?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2005, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 22, 2005, 08:28:32 AM
Just seems a little strange that knoblauch sets an incredible yardage marker and third team?

Not at all. It's the 2005 All-American team, not the 2002-05 All-American team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 22, 2005, 11:59:37 AM
again did elliott pad his stats by playing whole games after his games where blowouts? I have no idea just curious....btw what gives if I just posted what you did my karma would be -50!!! From pat's view "it's good to be the king..."  LOL!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2005, 02:23:50 PM
Well, let's see, I've made 100 times as many posts as you have, basically, so there's a lot of me out there for people to vote on. :)

Elliott's backup not only played, he recorded passing stats in eight of Linfield's 11 games. I'm not going to go through each and every box score to disprove your allegation (since you can check that yourself), but he played one series in the fourth quarter of two of their biggest blowouts, and played one series in the THIRD quarter of their biggest blowout.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 22, 2005, 03:53:18 PM
ahh...good stuff i knew you would have the figures at your disposal...fyi i am not alleging anything only asking out of curiosity since some voters for awards (no i am not saying you) dont do their research and vote solely based upon numbers...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: butkus20 on December 25, 2005, 04:43:40 PM
Im a former Susquehanna player from the old days. The alumni are being fed a lot of BS about why SU changed leagues. I am just wondering, from the people still involved in it... what gives? Why can't SU compete anymore and is it me or does it seem they just sold out and left because they can't win.. even with the best facilities I've ever seen for d3.. please help .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 26, 2005, 11:38:07 AM
Butkus,

How far back do you go?  Simba, another Lyco poster, and I were contemporaries in the late 1970s.

Now to your question.  This was a big topic of discussion on here earlier in the season and you may want to go back to sometime in October to refresh yourself on the chatter.

However, my read, and it is only mine, is that Susquehanna is attempting to re-define itself in many ways.  In other words, it is more about marketing than academics or athletics.  It appears they are attempting to re-align themselves with schools they feel elevate them from their current status. 

As a member of the Lycoming Alumni Board I have learned that higher academia is a rather significant economic enterprise - to wit, a business.  There are substantial demographic pressures facing many Northeast D-3 schools with a decreasing population of eligible prospective students for many, many, small, private, liberal arts colleges. 

I think it has more to do with U.S. News and World Reports college ranking than how the Crusaders finish in the MAC football league.

Just my thoughts.

All The Best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: butkus20 on December 26, 2005, 09:33:38 PM
Lyco80-

That certainly sounds like alot of the information that the alumni are getting out of the school.

As an alumni, I am gritting my teeth and bearing it b/c from your spin, it sounds like it should do the university well in the long run.

As a football player, it is a bit harder to swallow. To answer your question, I graduated in 1992. When we left there, SU was on strong ground. We had come off of 2 championships in 3 years (including a regional title) and finished the 91 season (my senior) #3 in the country. To see that school get all of these unbelievable facilities put in... and get smoked every weekend.. just doesn't sit well w/ alot of the alumni...

What kid is going to attend SU now that they play half there games 8 hours away?.. Alot of parents are very supportive, but that is really stretching it.  Recruiting should prove to be a nightmare i would imagine.  Add that to a very hefty budget increase, and I am very concerned SU will go the way of some other D3 schools and wind up just dropping football altogether. That would be a shame with the proud tradition that SU has.. Amos Alonzo Stagg once coached there for goodness sake!

Well, anyway, I really appreciate the insightful response. It has actually helped me understand the situation a little better and I guess I have no further recourse but to idly sit by and watch Union and Hobart smack us in the mouth now..... but at least we'll be with 'like' schools.... and we'll improve our rating in  U.S. News and World Reports by like 3 spots. If I sound angry and bitter..... it's mostly because I am..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on December 27, 2005, 09:21:43 AM
Lyco80 - as a non-visitor to the Middle Atlantic Conference page on even a sporadic basis, my posting here should indicate how slow things are on Post Patterns during the holidays. 

Some, if not all of your points have been addressed by Pat, and other posters, but I feel the need to respond with a few tidbits of my own.

When Mount started winning championships, there were many that pointed to the "D-I transfers" as one of the reasons the program was so successful.  If you spent the time to evaluate the makeup of any Mount roster, the former D-I players were never a significant impact (defined by 3 or more players, in skilled positions) on any given team.  The one poster on here went to the tried and tired "Larry Kinnard" card, which was bandied about on this board two years ago to the point of idiocy.  He was a HOMETOWN kid, that due to a high school counselor's bad advice ended up lacking one core course needed to be elgible to play at OSU.  He never played, or suited up for the Buckeyes.  At the time this came to light (late August), his father had become very ill.  Kinnard decided to come home and play for Mount rather than ride it out at OSU. 

The interesting thing about this years team is that there were no D-I transfers on the starting 22.  I would go so far to say I don't believe there are any on the whole roster.  Mount's significant transfer from another D-III school is Garcon of course.  If you read the story, you know the particulars behind that move.  I can tell you without a doubt that Larry Kehres didn't know Garcon from Adam.  Never heard of him, didn't recruit him. 

Here is a typical recruiting story of a kid at Mount.  Kmic was an all everything small Ohio high school performer in Northwest Ohio.  The ONLY D-I school that gave him any notice was Bowling Green (just up the road twenty minutes), who wanted him to walk on.  Kmic made the choice to go to Mount knowing the following.  A.) He may not see significant playing time until his junior year.  B.)  He could easily go to another D-III school and start immediately.  Coach Kehres tells all those kids that if playing as a freshman is their priority, then Mount isn't the school for them.  Kmic has talked openly about how all the other D-III schools kept on him about choosing Mount when he would not get playing time.  His answer (and many of the quality kids that Mount gets answer) was "I know I will sit, but I want to go where the best plays, and wins".  Coach Kehres has indicated that once a kid makes that decision, LK knows he has a player. 

Mount Union has been in the OAC for a very long time.  The have a storied tradition as a D-III school.  They have sports teams competing in all sports, male and female.  It makes no sense for the school as whole to move up in any manner.  As important as football is at Mount Union, it's still not the only thing being considered when decisions are made for the college.

Just a Mount fans two cents.   ;D  Happy New Year to All!
Title: Susquehanna's Defection ...
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 27, 2005, 10:45:41 AM
I'm still puzzled by this. One would think the Centennial Conference a better fit for the institution.  Or did they apply and were rejected for membership?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 27, 2005, 11:44:08 AM
warren
I think you hit the nail on the head with your last statement....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 27, 2005, 03:54:11 PM
The MAC Web-site currently carries no announcement of the defections. Could it be that's because additional leave-takings might be in the works?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 27, 2005, 04:28:32 PM
Quote from: butkus20 on December 26, 2005, 09:33:38 PM
... I am gritting my teeth and bearing it b/c from your spin, it sounds like it should do the university well in the long run.

Just out of curiosity, how might the move to the Liberty (in football) and the "Interstate Eight" (for basketball) "do the university well in the long run"? I'm still mightily puzzled by the Susquehanna defection.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: butkus20 on December 27, 2005, 05:09:58 PM
Warren-

The comment you are referring to was made in response to Lyco80's explanation about why SU might make a move. The reference of the statement is academically based ..certainly NOT athletically. As I stated earlier, the decision, in my opinion, puts the football program in very grave danger. The recruiting problems associated with playing that schedule and the budget increases just dont add up. I am still very confused by the administrations decision and that is why i came here, I thought people that are closer to the situation would have some insight. As of now, I just see a program that has de-emphasized the football program in lieu of trying to align itself with a higher class of academic institutions.   And Lyco80 - in response to your question.. Susquehanna apparently applied for membership to the Centenial Conference and were turned down.  Apparently, the discussions with the centenial began as early as last year, where SU was told they would be welcomed... when it came to it, the CC took Juniata and moravian instead... I can't believe that SU wouldnt be @ the top of that list, but that is a discussion for another day i guess.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 27, 2005, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: butkus20 on December 26, 2005, 09:33:38 PM
Lyco80-

That certainly sounds like alot of the information that the alumni are getting out of the school.

As an alumni, I am gritting my teeth and bearing it b/c from your spin, it sounds like it should do the university well in the long run.

What kid is going to attend SU now that they play half there games 8 hours away?.. Alot of parents are very supportive, but that is really stretching it.  Recruiting should prove to be a nightmare i would imagine.  Add that to a very hefty budget increase, and I am very concerned SU will go the way of some other D3 schools and wind up just dropping football altogether. That would be a shame with the proud tradition that SU has.. Amos Alonzo Stagg once coached there for goodness sake!

Well, anyway, I really appreciate the insightful response. It has actually helped me understand the situation a little better and I guess I have no further recourse but to idly sit by and watch Union and Hobart smack us in the mouth now..... but at least we'll be with 'like' schools.... and we'll improve our rating in  U.S. News and World Reports by like 3 spots. If I sound angry and bitter..... it's mostly because I am..

The President of Lycoming College, Dr. James Douthat, is very candid with the alumni board about the challenges facing small, Mid-Atlantic, liberal arts colleges in the near and distant future.  I think Susquehanna is charting their course based upon these factors and not necessarily athletics.  And I prefer if you not refer to my opinions as spin - since you solicited them and I am not in favor of the Crusaders desertion anywhere since I like to keep my adversaries right down the road in Selinsgrove where they belong.

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 27, 2005, 05:34:27 PM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on December 27, 2005, 09:21:43 AM
Lyco80 - as a non-visitor to the Middle Atlantic Conference page on even a sporadic basis, my posting here should indicate how slow things are on Post Patterns during the holidays. 

Some, if not all of your points have been addressed by Pat, and other posters, but I feel the need to respond with a few tidbits of my own.

When Mount started winning championships, there were many that pointed to the "D-I transfers" as one of the reasons the program was so successful.  If you spent the time to evaluate the makeup of any Mount roster, the former D-I players were never a significant impact (defined by 3 or more players, in skilled positions) on any given team.  The one poster on here went to the tried and tired "Larry Kinnard" card, which was bandied about on this board two years ago to the point of idiocy.  He was a HOMETOWN kid, that due to a high school counselor's bad advice ended up lacking one core course needed to be elgible to play at OSU.  He never played, or suited up for the Buckeyes.  At the time this came to light (late August), his father had become very ill.  Kinnard decided to come home and play for Mount rather than ride it out at OSU. 

The interesting thing about this years team is that there were no D-I transfers on the starting 22.  I would go so far to say I don't believe there are any on the whole roster.  Mount's significant transfer from another D-III school is Garcon of course.  If you read the story, you know the particulars behind that move.  I can tell you without a doubt that Larry Kehres didn't know Garcon from Adam.  Never heard of him, didn't recruit him. 

Here is a typical recruiting story of a kid at Mount.  Kmic was an all everything small Ohio high school performer in Northwest Ohio.  The ONLY D-I school that gave him any notice was Bowling Green (just up the road twenty minutes), who wanted him to walk on.  Kmic made the choice to go to Mount knowing the following.  A.) He may not see significant playing time until his junior year.  B.)  He could easily go to another D-III school and start immediately.  Coach Kehres tells all those kids that if playing as a freshman is their priority, then Mount isn't the school for them.  Kmic has talked openly about how all the other D-III schools kept on him about choosing Mount when he would not get playing time.  His answer (and many of the quality kids that Mount gets answer) was "I know I will sit, but I want to go where the best plays, and wins".  Coach Kehres has indicated that once a kid makes that decision, LK knows he has a player. 

Mount Union has been in the OAC for a very long time.  The have a storied tradition as a D-III school.  They have sports teams competing in all sports, male and female.  It makes no sense for the school as whole to move up in any manner.  As important as football is at Mount Union, it's still not the only thing being considered when decisions are made for the college.

Just a Mount fans two cents.   ;D  Happy New Year to All!

Great post and thanks for the information.

However, no one, not even the guru, has responded to my query regarding the potential dearth of D2 football teams in Ohio thereby contributing to a windfall of talent going to MUC.  And Garcon's mention only underscores the national lure the Purple Raiders enjoy:  despite not being the current national champion the player transferred from Vermont to Ohio - from Florida (since Oregon may have been too far)!  Additionally, what would be so criminal for MUC, the class of D3, the creme de le creme, moving up to challenge other competition?  In the East Region Rowan and others challenge higher up schools often with good success proving their talent is equivalent to many schools at higher levels.  Why would MUC not want to prove their moxey against bigger programs?  Furthermore, why can't we even talk about this subject without folks getting so defensive? 

Clearly MUC is not your normal D3 football school, their storied successes are self-evident.  All I am asking is what will it take for a program that bowls over its league and then runs through the playoffs with a 62% success rate (8 out of 13) to even consider moving to D2?  And, for other D3 posters to realize how reasonable a suggestion this is to make?

All The Best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 27, 2005, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: butkus20 on December 27, 2005, 05:09:58 PM
And Lyco80 - in response to your question.. Susquehanna apparently applied for membership to the Centenial Conference and were turned down.
[quote/]

To paraphrase Bart Simpson, "It wasn't me."

I never asked that question, however, it is an interesting bit of grist for the mill.

Thanks.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 27, 2005, 07:28:51 PM
Lyco80:

Given the "dearth" of D2 teams in Ohio, why would Mt. Union move down to that level when they can regularly take D3 titles with relative -- and frequent -- ease?

Moving to a lower division such as D2 might also carry with it certain risks and difficulties. There are D2 venues that could make life miserable for MUC, despite the latter's undeniable success in D3. (A case in point, though not an exactly identical one, is Westminster [PA]. In NAIA D2, they were a championship-calibre outfit; however, when they moved to NCAA D2, they became just another also-ran and took some fairly bad beatings. Since moving up to NCAA D3, they are again very competitive.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 10:03:42 PM
If a school could move solely football down a level, perhaps it would. But since that is not permitted in football or basketball, it's pretty much a moot point. That's a lot of outlay for the other 20 or so sports just to accomodate football.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 27, 2005, 10:48:46 PM
So there it is at last - money.  Most things in life come down to power and control, and ego if you prefer.  Money is often just the externality of these internal dimensions.

So, MUC, cannot move up to D2 in football unless the entire school moves up as well.  And since D2 carries a certain level of scholarship commitments per each sport this would be expensive. 

So the bottom line is simply the bottom line?

Strange, I always thought I had heard of other schools playing different levels of competition for other sports.  Perhaps things have changed or I have been misinformed.

Regardless, as in my opening statement I can see that rather than address an admitted imbalance in this area the NCAA, D3 Football and MUC prefer the status quo and therefore unless and until someone builds a powerhouse that can effectively challenge MUC on the field with play and off the field with the caliber of recruits the situation will remain unchanged.  Interesting.

I would have thought better of the system and the people involved.

Thanks for clarifying the issue Pat, Warren and others.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 27, 2005, 10:48:46 PM
So the bottom line is simply the bottom line?

Sometimes it actually works out that way, yeah. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 10:52:48 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 27, 2005, 10:48:46 PM
Strange, I always thought I had heard of other schools playing different levels of competition for other sports.  Perhaps things have changed or I have been misinformed.

To follow up, it is permitted in some sports. But I specifically cited football and basketball (ahem, the money sports) for a reason. Hockey is a sport where several D-III and D-II schools play a sport at Division I. It's happened in field hockey, soccer, wrestling, baseball. But it is not permitted in football -- that's why schools like Iona, Georgetown, St. Peter's, Dayton, and the like were forced to leave Division III football more than a decade ago.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 27, 2005, 11:09:35 PM
Pat's correct. E.g., this season D3 Rochester Tech has begun playing D1 ice hockey.
As well, D3 Colorado College and St. Lawrence have long been D1 in the sport.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on December 28, 2005, 12:00:02 AM
It's odd Lyco80, you seemt to make valid points, and seem well informed, but inevitably you always reach some negative spin regarding Mount Union and their dominance in D-III football.  Why is that?

In my opinion, the culprit of this outlandish, and excessive dominance by Mount Union is Larry Kehres.  What is wrong with him?  Doesn't he want to move on to a higher level?  What does he have to prove? 

To answer those questions, he has been offered one lower level D-I head coaching job at Kent State (he turned it down), and was considered for the Princeton job (he wasn't offered the job).  He has been approached about various OC jobs, but was not interested.  He thoroughly enjoys coaching the quality of kids he gets at Mount Union. The true D-III student/athelete that plays for the love of the game, and to get a great college education.  In all the years Larry Kehres has coached, only 3 kids that played for him didn't graduate.

The fact of the matter is, Larry Kehres just does D-III football better than anyone else.  It is a testament to his vision, knowledge, and work ethic.  If I wanted to compete against Mount Union consistently, I would hire a guy that played or coached under Kehres.   

Again, just one Mount Union (and Larry Kehres) fan's opinion.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 28, 2005, 07:17:38 AM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on December 28, 2005, 12:00:02 AM
It's odd Lyco80, you seemt to make valid points, and seem well informed, but inevitably you always reach some negative spin regarding Mount Union and their dominance in D-III football.  Why is that?

In my opinion, the culprit of this outlandish, and excessive dominance by Mount Union is Larry Kehres.  What is wrong with him?  Doesn't he want to move on to a higher level?  What does he have to prove? 

To answer those questions, he has been offered one lower level D-I head coaching job at Kent State (he turned it down), and was considered for the Princeton job (he wasn't offered the job).  He has been approached about various OC jobs, but was not interested.  He thoroughly enjoys coaching the quality of kids he gets at Mount Union. The true D-III student/athelete that plays for the love of the game, and to get a great college education.  In all the years Larry Kehres has coached, only 3 kids that played for him didn't graduate.

The fact of the matter is, Larry Kehres just does D-III football better than anyone else.  It is a testament to his vision, knowledge, and work ethic.  If I wanted to compete against Mount Union consistently, I would hire a guy that played or coached under Kehres.   

Again, just one Mount Union (and Larry Kehres) fan's opinion.

Thanks for the compliments, I think.

I have nothing but admiration for the success of MUC particularly since it is affiliated with the United Methodist Church.

However, their overwhelming success both in conference and in the NCAA playoff system put them in the center of my bulls eye.  Parity is a wonderful thing - I am a dyed in the wool Eagles fan - as it makes sport what it is - a chance for the other guy.  But let's be reasonable - besides the occasional Pacific Lutheran, Linfield team etc - the Stagg Bowl has been the province of MUC since the evolution of the modern playoff system.  I do not see anything on the horizon to alter this circumstance.  It really is just that simple.

I agree with you about hiring a Kehres disciple - but how would he compete with the draw that MUC has for talent?

The fact that Kmic - who is a phenom - and was willing to sit for a couple of seasons - despite having talent that other scholarship offering programs could use - chose MUC makes it clear that like a super tanker - it will take years for D3 football to turn around the current situation.  What can I say?  I prefer level playing fields - so sue me.

Appreciate the dialogue very much and your willingness to engage.  It is a shame that many people will log on to these pages and then refuse to contribute their thoughts or opinions.  It seems to me that both are vital and informative.

Happy New Year to you and all the ring-wearing Purple Raiders now and in the future.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: butkus20 on December 28, 2005, 10:26:22 AM
quote]I never asked that question, however, it is an interesting bit of grist for the mill
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sorry lyco80- it was warren's question.  It seems like you're still pretty tied into Lyco's program, they planning on staying in the MAC and trying to get back to their level of usual excellence, or are they gonna fold up like good ol SU.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on December 28, 2005, 11:52:16 AM
My understanding was that you can have 2 d1 sports if you want the rest of your sports to be d3 or something like that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2005, 12:17:45 PM
But NOT football or basketball.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on December 28, 2005, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: jonny utah on December 28, 2005, 11:52:16 AM
My understanding was that you can have 2 d1 sports if you want the rest of your sports to be d3 or something like that.
And it is two sports, one for the men, one for the women. So, you can only take one up for the men's side.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on December 28, 2005, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: radiomike on December 28, 2005, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: jonny utah on December 28, 2005, 11:52:16 AM
My understanding was that you can have 2 d1 sports if you want the rest of your sports to be d3 or something like that.
And it is two sports, one for the men, one for the women. So, you can only take one up for the men's side.

Yea but I think you can go two men and two womens sports though......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on December 28, 2005, 03:40:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 10:52:48 PM
To follow up, it is permitted in some sports. But I specifically cited football and basketball (ahem, the money sports) for a reason. Hockey is a sport where several D-III and D-II schools play a sport at Division I. It's happened in field hockey, soccer, wrestling, baseball. But it is not permitted in football -- that's why schools like Iona, Georgetown, St. Peter's, Dayton, and the like were forced to leave Division III football more than a decade ago.
Left off the list is water polo, and some of the multi-divisional teams sports, such as fencing, rifle, gymnastics, skiing, Men's Volleyball.

Hobart and Johns Hopkins has its Men's Lacrosse Programs at Division I. JHU also has its Women's program at Division I.

However, Johns Hopkins' and Hobart's Football programs are both DIII and non-scholarship. And, so is Hobart's Lacrosse program. RIT's newly elevated hockey program likewise, will also be non-scholarship. You can take two teams up, but you have to play by the tougher of the D1 or DIII rules that govern that sport.

Hopkins Lax teams, St. Lawrence, Clarkson's, and RPI's hockey teams do offer scholarships, due to a gradfather clause in the NCAA's rules, that was reaffirmed by the DIII President's last year, and will be very tough to change. So, if you want to go DI in hoops and/or in football, you have to take all the sports up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on December 28, 2005, 03:41:55 PM
Quote from: jonny utah on December 28, 2005, 03:35:12 PM
Yea but I think you can go two men and two womens sports though......
I have not heard of that...Can you give an example? The NCAA has always held it to one sport for each gender.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 28, 2005, 03:54:46 PM
Hey - great chatter - and since exception seems to be the norm regarding moving up, moving out or whatever, why not implement some sort of rule that considers dominance in a sport at any level - of course noting that USC cannot turn pro much to the dismay of L.A. football fans - as a factor in changing levels?

All I am saying is give peace a chance.

As to Lycoming's football team moving - I have no information regarding a change in league and certainly the school has no plans to deconstruct the program.

Glad to see all the ebb and flow about the whole matter.  Learning much from you, I am.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobturkviking on December 29, 2005, 12:46:14 PM
GA Mangus is listed (in wisconsin newspapers) as a finalist to be one of the new assistants at the University of Wisconsin under new head coach Brett Bielema.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 29, 2005, 01:57:04 PM
Bob,

When will the decision be announced?

Interesting, verrrrryyyyy interesting indeed.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bobturkviking on December 29, 2005, 02:14:53 PM
Don't know...it was in papers today.  I'd guess they'd start announcing the new staff after wisc.'s bowl game (Jan.2).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 29, 2005, 02:38:17 PM
This was bandied about on this board around a month ago after the Milwaukee paper wrote about it, so it's not really a surprise.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Garnet on December 29, 2005, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: radiomike on December 28, 2005, 03:40:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 10:52:48 PM
To follow up, it is permitted in some sports. But I specifically cited football and basketball (ahem, the money sports) for a reason. Hockey is a sport where several D-III and D-II schools play a sport at Division I. It's happened in field hockey, soccer, wrestling, baseball. But it is not permitted in football -- that's why schools like Iona, Georgetown, St. Peter's, Dayton, and the like were forced to leave Division III football more than a decade ago.
Left off the list is water polo, and some of the multi-divisional teams sports, such as fencing, rifle, gymnastics, skiing, Men's Volleyball.

Hobart and Johns Hopkins has its Men's Lacrosse Programs at Division I. JHU also has its Women's program at Division I.

However, Johns Hopkins' and Hobart's Football programs are both DIII and non-scholarship. And, so is Hobart's Lacrosse program. RIT's newly elevated hockey program likewise, will also be non-scholarship. You can take two teams up, but you have to play by the tougher of the D1 or DIII rules that govern that sport.

Hopkins Lax teams, Union's, Clarkson's, and RPI's hockey teams do offer scholarships, due to a gradfather clause in the NCAA's rules, that was reaffirmed by the DIII President's last year, and will be very tough to change. So, if you want to go DI in hoops and/or in football, you have to take all the sports up.

Union does not offer scholarships.  Financial aid is need based.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on December 29, 2005, 03:23:09 PM
who wins the MAC next season?????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 29, 2005, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: MACguy on December 29, 2005, 03:23:09 PM
who wins the MAC next season?????

Whoever can beat DelValley.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on December 29, 2005, 04:35:26 PM
Quote from: radiomike on December 28, 2005, 03:41:55 PM
Quote from: jonny utah on December 28, 2005, 03:35:12 PM
Yea but I think you can go two men and two womens sports though......
I have not heard of that...Can you give an example? The NCAA has always held it to one sport for each gender.

Actually I double checked and there are none, but there used to be.  Now many sports have national championships that includes all divisions because there are too few sports to have divisional championships.  I dont know the specific sports for sure but I think its mostly womens sports. (womens skiing, bowling, rifle, squash, archery, equestrian) and the mens sports are mixed skiing, fencing and some other random sports.)

Schools like Williams used to have d1 skiing, now they are just d3 but can compete in the ncaa nationals with other divisional teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 29, 2005, 07:20:48 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 29, 2005, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: MACguy on December 29, 2005, 03:23:09 PM
who wins the MAC next season?????

Whoever can beat DelValley.  ;)

Warren,

Concur - and, the bigger question will be - what will become of the MAC after the defections?  Will it be one happy league without the conferences?  Or, will other teams be persuaded to join the merry band?

Happy New Year to all MAC players, fans, parents and posters.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 29, 2005, 07:53:15 PM

Quote

Warren,

Concur - and, the bigger question will be - what will become of the MAC after the defections?  Will it be one happy league without the conferences?  Or, will other teams be persuaded to join the merry ban

ATB
Quote

While I've not lately spoken with anyone in the know, there are rumors of additional defections as well as aspirants to membership.

BTW given the history of the MAC, it has seldom been "one happy league," especially since the events that led to the formation of the Centennial.  :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on December 30, 2005, 12:35:22 AM
im not talkin about other questions... i was wondering opinions on who wins the mac... with del val returning 18 and wilkes bringing back 20 starters... and even widener should be at the top... im likin wilkes as of now... but ive come to agree del val will still be near the top with or without magnus.... wilkes... wat do u think?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on December 30, 2005, 09:21:22 AM
Quote from: Garnet on December 29, 2005, 03:01:22 PM
Union does not offer scholarships.  Financial aid is need based.
Shoot...I knew that...I meant St. Lawrence...I thought I edited it, but it did not take and I did not double check it. Sorry :(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on December 30, 2005, 03:00:31 PM
Everyone have a happy new year....and I can't wait until august gets here.

JB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 30, 2005, 11:57:55 PM
Happy New Year MAC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Foot on December 31, 2005, 02:24:45 PM
Has anyone else heard rumors of the entire conference being disbanded after the 06 season?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2005, 04:01:14 PM
I would be extremely surprised if that happened. There's enough remaining members to continue the association.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on January 02, 2006, 02:21:12 PM
Happy New Year Everyone!!!


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 04, 2006, 12:47:48 PM
GGGOOOOOOOO AGGGGIIIEEEESSS !!!!!  BEAT WARTBURG!!! A great wrestling match on tap friday night at dvc. wartburg is ranked second in the country and wrestles on our home turf which we shall defend!!! Also will be broadcast on the internet.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on January 08, 2006, 07:36:05 PM
Gordon...Happy New year,     Any word on when the Del Val CD may be available??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 09, 2006, 04:46:57 PM
Also - speaking of DVC - any word on the decision by Wisconsin irt their coaching selections?

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 10, 2006, 08:29:52 AM
lyco no official news of him moving on yet....i am torn about it...i want to see him do well but at the same time what he has done at dvc is incredible and i think they are on track for something very special if he stays and a major upgrade of the facilities as well. Time will tell I would imagine if he is moving on it will be announced in the next week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on January 12, 2006, 03:57:42 PM
More congrats for Adam Knoblauch as he was named Don Hansen's East Region Outstanding Back of the Year! Also congrats to Adam and Damien for first team All Region honors. 2nd team honors went to Harrigan and Cook and Marshall made 3rd team offense. The lone defensive honoree was Purcell who was Honorable Mention. Way to go guys!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 17, 2006, 12:43:08 PM
looks like coach mangus is on the move i wish him nothing but the best!!! he restored pride and dvc's program back to the elite level and left the program in great shape with 18 returning starters thank you coach!!!  http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-01172006-598679.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on January 17, 2006, 04:58:50 PM
http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060117/SPORTS/601170320/1006

Mangus to Middle Tennessee State
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on January 17, 2006, 05:16:07 PM
Assuming it happens...this might be a good move for Mangus...

MTSU doesn't play a junk schedule.

Sun Belt Conference (North Texas, Florida Int'l, La-Monroe, La-Lafayette, Florida Atlantic, Arkansas State, Troy).

Non-conference in 2006: at Vanderbilt, at Maryland, v. Louisville in Nashville, at South Carolina (Spurrierville).

12 game schedule, only 4 at home will be tough.  Looks like quite a facility. http://goblueraiders.com/?go=story&doc=163



If it happens, I'm happy for him.

http://goblueraiders.com/?go=Schedule&Sport=Football&season=2006

I'm actually in Nashville right now and this is a real nice area...don't think Murfreesboro is in the "sticks" - it's a suburb of Nashville...about 40 miles or so southeast of town.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 18, 2006, 08:22:58 AM
i agree not an easy schedule by any means will be interesting to see how they do it will take a year or two to get their type of players in the system but it wont take long. Its a good step for mangus he will be there a few years before moving onto a head coaching position at div I-A  level. the south carolina game would be fun to see him take on spurrier....there will be sun visors being thrown all over the place!!! great facilities at that place. well done coach!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: reality check on January 18, 2006, 02:30:19 PM
lyco80

I hadn't been on this board since the playoffs were in full swing and just caught up.  I have been reading the dialogue between you and others regarding Mt. Union.  I trust you watched or caught the information made available during the Stagg Bowl so that you got your answer regarding Garcon's decision to attend MUC but I hope that if you truly wish to discuss Mount's place in Division III that you take your questions directly to the Purple Raiders on the OAC page.  I can tell you this much though.  They get the "why don't you guys go to D-II question EVERY year.  You asked about defensive posturing and that is the number one reason.  They get tired of answering it frankly, especially when it is asked in a reather attacking manner. 

To sum up though IMO: If MUC moved to a different division then their other 18 varsity athletics teams would suffer greatly.  Sure football is their "money" sport as it has been labeled but this one program can't be the reason to more or less screw the rest of the student-athlete body.  Secondly, and it troubles me to read allegations or speculations that are so far off base, Mount doesn't benefit regularly from DI powerhouses like OSU or UM.  In fact, Kinnard is the only connection to OSU that has come their way and he was a middle-of-the-road prospect for OSU that was from Alliance originally.  His relationship with OSU turned south and he chose to come home.  There were qualifying issues but it's not as if that was the only reason he reutrned to Alliance to play for MUC.  He was not the "prize" Buckeye recruit that people like to make him out to be.  And since people around the nation think there is some sort of vast recruiting network for schools like Mount Union, you might be interested to know that Mount Union, and all the schools in the OAC for that matter, have a policy about recruiting.  No coaches go out to recruit players.  It is against conference rules.  So the recruiting process begins and ends on each respective college campus.  Sure Mount benefits from reputation but, even as a conference rival, I cannot hate them for that.  They have earned their spot and they keep getting talent because they keep running a terrific program.  It is the task of all those involved to knock them off their throne.  ONU managed to break the conference streak.  Who knows what happens next year.  Mount could lose again.  The Polar Bears broke that mystique and now know that Mighty Mount can lose a game.  It might be another ten years before one of us knocks them off again, or it could come in week 2 of the 2006 season.  Who knows.

Again I apoligize for this late response but I was playing catch-up.  Come on over to the OAC board if you want to know about Mount's situation from the Mounties themselves.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 19, 2006, 09:59:29 AM
well its official, thank you coach for everything you did at dvc and you are leaving a great legacy and coaching staff in place as well as plenty of players returning....good luck to you i am sure visors will be flying when you play coach spurrier this year....http://www.goblueraiders.com/?go=story&doc=4734
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theshade on January 19, 2006, 05:48:25 PM
all the returning players are his recruits, i wonder how they feel about this? I also thought the job would go to Coach Clements but the press release states applications are being taken.  any chatter out there about who might take over?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 19, 2006, 09:58:21 PM
Shade:

I suspect the kids will feel a lot better if Clements takes over and he keeps a lot of the staff in tact.  That will give them some familiarity.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on January 20, 2006, 01:46:20 AM
If the Dc takes over i'm very intereseted to see who is goin to run the offense....any ideas????

Is there anyone on staff that is possible to be in the running for the oc position?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 20, 2006, 08:18:45 AM
my understanding is the job is clements if he wants it. he was always told he would be the guy if/when mangus left. they are opening it up for applicants so other current assts can apply and as since we live in a sue happy society you have to have an open application time frame where anyone enter apply otherwise face a lawsuit. hopefully the staff will stay intact other than mangus moving on. they shouldnt miss a beat especially with that many returning starters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on January 20, 2006, 11:09:36 AM
From what I have hear,  Jim Clements is it. The interview process is simply to make sure that they are covered legally. The questions  are who will he hire to run the offense. I also  hear some of the WU players are now worried  he will try to bring in a few coaches from WU. I hear he still has a few connections there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 20, 2006, 11:50:22 AM
hmmmm....good info wudline didnt think about that connection.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on January 21, 2006, 06:48:41 PM
Gordon Mann...Happy New Year...any word regarding the Aggie 2005 recap CD??

There are Mixed emotions among the players and parents regarding G.A.'s departure.  Obviously the key question will be the new QB coming and the "O" coordinator's position. As I see it...Jim Clements would be the obvious choice for the top slot and Duke Greco to take the "O" coordinator job. In my opinion that would be the way to go if they wanted to keep everything status quo and pick up the new season where they left off.  But then again  the one thing that is always certain is "Change"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 23, 2006, 12:08:48 PM
billman by reading  this link mangus did dvc a HUGE favor before heading south in securing a big time qb to come to dvc. He was a div I-A qb until a knee injury earlier but mangus stayed after him and he looks like he is heading to dvc come fall with all those returning starters.... http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/242-01212006-601025.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on January 23, 2006, 12:15:03 PM
I remember that kid from bayonne, he was one very good hs quaterback.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on January 23, 2006, 08:57:51 PM
UPBRMEASAP....Good to see you are still on the board and posting...Is it August yet???

Yes , G.A. did leave DVC in good shape with all of the returning starters and recruiting a top QB...I also hear that there is another top Dawg who runs like a deer and may be competing for the QB position. 

I am also looking forward to a new field this year after the thaw.  Hope your holidays were good and all my best to you and your family....talk soon!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Stantheman28 on January 24, 2006, 12:59:07 PM
With all of the talk surrounding Delaware Valley, who looks to emerge as the replacements for All-Americans Knoblaugh and Ciecwiscz?  Will the spots be filled from transfers, recruits, or within the team?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on January 24, 2006, 01:05:02 PM
I have heard from a very good source that Jim Clements has official been offered the Deleware Valley job. From what I have been told everyone will be pleased with him. He is a stand up guy and will bring alot  of passion and character with him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 24, 2006, 01:43:15 PM
i have heard the same wudline i am hoping its true!!! i think he will be great and the players are very comfortable with him as is the administration.  Plus with some highly touted recruits coming in they will feel that things are not going to change as well. as for the earlier post regarding plugging holes mangus and his staff have built alot of depth on this team the past couple of years. My guess would be the openings left by graduation will be filled by people already in the system assuming they are not beaten out by incoming freshmen. I havent heard of any transfers coming in although I am very excited about jaworski coming in, I remember many div I-A schools recruiting him he has a big league arm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on January 24, 2006, 02:09:05 PM
I have heard from people associated with three different programs that all think the Jaworski kid is headed to their school ( DVC, WU, Albright). I would hold off on getting to excited him, it seems like he is sitting on the fence between certian schools. Also keep in mind that even with Clements taking over DVC will lose some recruits because of the coaching change. This is not a knock on Clements at all. It is just that there is a small amount of uncertianty without G.A. at the helm calling the offense. Hopefully it will not hurt them as much as it hurt WU when Zwann left.  Big Question: Who will be the new OC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 24, 2006, 03:00:19 PM
i would imagine greco gets it they will want to keep as much continuity as possible. they will run the same offense and sets.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on January 25, 2006, 09:05:02 AM
I do not htink Greco was on the current staff. Where has he coached at, is he qualified? What about the O line guy. He has been with GA for a long time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Coach C on January 25, 2006, 09:42:57 AM
Jimmy Clements is a top-quality guy and a good coach.  He is a great choice to continue the renaissance at Del Val.

C
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 25, 2006, 12:23:03 PM
Welcome aboard Head Coach Clements!!! http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-01252006-602943.html 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theshade on January 25, 2006, 05:26:49 PM
Good for coach Clements and DVC football!   I heard Greco is being considered for the OC job. He did a pretty good job when he was calling the shots with Mangus. I think it would be good for the team.  They all know him and he's familiar with most of them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on January 26, 2006, 02:11:50 PM
WUDLINE...greco has been with the staff I THINK since 2003 or maybe just a bit before. I do remember seeing him then but do not know in what capacity. Think he was asst "O" coordinator or something to do with QB's or redceivers. Anyway he played for DVC and has been on their staff so that cant be a bad thing.

UPBRMEASAP....so whats hot, what do you hear regarding the Aggies??  Couple of new QB's to compete for the starting slot. Do you know it there is any confirmation regarding the Jaworski kid if he has commited to Del Val??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on January 26, 2006, 06:18:37 PM
from my knowledge greco wasn't on the staff this past season
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 27, 2006, 12:41:13 PM
hey billman... i have seen numerous newspaper articles saying he has committed to dvc but not a direct quote saying as much so i am not 100% sure, although a number of beat writers for newspapers have published reports saying he has committed to dvc. I am just waiting to hear how coach clements has filled the coaching staff especially the off. side of the ball have you heard anything yet?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on January 27, 2006, 12:59:11 PM
Bossman05...I do remember seeing him the past two seasons for sure, Greco that is...maybe he wasnt listed on the staff but he was there is some capacity...I will do some research over the weekend.

Upbrmeasap...I havent heard anything since my last post but will have some dialog over the weekend with Jr.  Will keep in touch.i
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 27, 2006, 01:58:27 PM
greco is not listed in the media guide as a coach but has been there in some kind of capacity so i am not sure what his title might have been....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on January 28, 2006, 10:54:04 PM
Heard from an indvidual today that was told Wilkes may be in the Empire 8 before too long.  I've now heard that Lyco and Wilkes may be in the E8 as early as two years from now from three totally separate and unrelated people. Looks like the MAC may be on its way to its demise.  Certainly nothing is for sure... but where there's smoke...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on January 29, 2006, 08:59:28 PM
Kinda hard to believe a Wilkes/Lyco defection from the MAC...sign on to the Empire 8 and you give up a huge recruiting tool to access football players from Philly...Del Val and Albright have finally tapped these resources which Lyco had a stranglehold of for years...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 30, 2006, 12:09:02 PM
i agree pat not sure where lyco would focus their recruiting efforts for any of their sports let alone football and wrestling. As well as that is where they get a fair amount of their general student  population(or used to the last i saw) and this move would give them a lot less exposure in this area. i think it would be a huge mistake if lyco and wilkes were to do this "rumored move".....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on January 30, 2006, 12:37:35 PM
The way I understand it is that the MAC would be no longer.  No idea why that would be the case though.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 30, 2006, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: tecmobowler on January 30, 2006, 12:37:35 PM
The way I understand it is that the MAC would be no longer. 

If the MAC does eventually go belly up, perhaps we can blame the oh-so-precious, Marie Antoinette-ish prexies of those venues that initially left the MAC to form the Centennial. After all, their machinations inspired the defections, didn't they?  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 30, 2006, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: tecmobowler on January 28, 2006, 10:54:04 PM
Heard from an indvidual today that was told Wilkes may be in the Empire 8 before too long.  I've now heard that Lyco and Wilkes may be in the E8 as early as two years from now from three totally separate and unrelated people. Looks like the MAC may be on its way to its demise.  Certainly nothing is for sure... but where there's smoke...

If they want to go, they should go and discover how green[er] the pastures are up there.

In sum, rain on 'em ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 30, 2006, 07:03:07 PM
To all concerned irt Lycoming defecting the MAC:

I shall be on campus the third week in March and see what I can discover from my Alumni Board vantage point.

My guess, these are merely rumors, however, you never really know for sure.

Concur with concerns about recruiting especially from Philly area.  Something to consider - the demographic pool of college-aged students is not shifting northward but south.  Therefore, if there is a move to be made that aims to meet the expanding marketplace for all students - not just student athletes - it makes sense for Lycoming to look towards a Conference centered in Maryland. 

This comment comes from listening to the way ahead as defined by the college president for all liberal arts colleges within a 500 mile radius of Williamsport, PA.

Just something else to ruminate on.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 01, 2006, 08:16:15 AM
i will ask lyco's wrestling coach at dvc tonight since they are wrestling here...i am sure he would be honest with me.... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on February 01, 2006, 03:14:36 PM
Bossman05, Upbrmeasap

The new QB is on campus and taking classes....Bossman you were right and I stand corrected on the Greco thing...but did see him at the games in some capacity.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 01, 2006, 04:06:34 PM
solid and great news billman with this qb in place i think we will stand to have a tremendous year next fall....is it labor day yet!!! billman anyword on the staff on the off side of the ball and who will be coordinator etc.?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on February 03, 2006, 11:27:40 AM
UpBrmeasap...I havent heard anything since my last post...however are we overlooking a great football mind here as relayed to "O" coordinator position...What about Bill Manlove, experience and talent...With him in the "O" coordinator position, my opinion says the Aggies never miss a step....His health and how the position would affect that would remain the question, but my vote would be for him to take the reins on the "O" side of the ball.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 03, 2006, 12:09:21 PM
i would not mind manlove taking the reigns but that would raise a couple of questions of them being does he want it? can his health handle it? have to admit he really turned into a huge aggie supporter with mangus. also would it wrankle any of the off coaches still on board....time will tell. great job by the aggie wrestling manhandling lyco the other night!! my sister a lyco grad thought it would be a lyco walkover and boy was she sadly mistaken!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: union89 on February 03, 2006, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: Billman56 on February 03, 2006, 11:27:40 AM
UpBrmeasap...I havent heard anything since my last post...however are we overlooking a great football mind here as relayed to "O" coordinator position...What about Bill Manlove, experience and talent...With him in the "O" coordinator position, my opinion says the Aggies never miss a step....His health and how the position would affect that would remain the question, but my vote would be for him to take the reins on the "O" side of the ball.

With a name like 'Bill Manlove', that dude must have been a serious badass growing up....being the Offensive Coordinator would be a walk in the park!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on February 04, 2006, 01:44:44 PM
Union89...I have got to agree with you regarding Manlove. I know and everyone knows his experience and credentials speak for themselves. It would be a good fit if his health is good, and if notthey need to go get an "O" coordinator.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on February 04, 2006, 01:47:27 PM
It's Greco
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on February 04, 2006, 06:19:25 PM
Is it official?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 06, 2006, 08:25:06 AM
i havent seen anything where that is official although i would think greco would be a likely and good candidate. I asked pat coleman as well and he has heard nothing official as well. Billman your source at dvc have any input on who the new off. coordinator is yet?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on February 06, 2006, 01:37:40 PM
Upbrmeasap...I still havent heard anything regarding the "O" coordinator position but will check asap...will keep youn posted..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 07, 2006, 08:42:14 PM
Coach Manlove wouldn't want the gig - he's enjoying life and hanging around football...he loves what he does per his own words to me a few months back.

I haven't heard about Greco and wouldn't know how to analyze it one way or another. 

Warren - I wouldn't blame the Centennial for the initial breakup way back as much as I blame the rest of the MAC for thinking they could function effectively with as many teams as they thought they could...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 08, 2006, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: patcummings on February 07, 2006, 08:42:14 PM

Warren - I wouldn't blame the Centennial for the initial breakup way back as much as I blame the rest of the MAC for thinking they could function effectively with as many teams as they thought they could...

That's a fair point, Pat. Back then, the MAC was a bit dysfunctional.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on February 08, 2006, 10:38:49 AM
Upbrmeasap, Bossman05....As far as anyone knows the "OC" position is still up for grabs....still taking applications is what I hear...should know something by weeks end..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on February 10, 2006, 09:25:19 PM
wats all the talk about the future... wilkes n lyco leaving the mac... how come there arent many discussions about the upcoming season... its gonna be a good one... c'mon ppl have some fun talkin about the best game ever created... FOOTBALL
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on February 11, 2006, 05:23:20 PM
I just heard on another forum that Scott Dapp is leaving Moravian and heading to Kutztown...any truth to the rumor?

What's the view on coaches leaving?  and can these teams just continue with business as usual?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 13, 2006, 11:57:30 AM
havent heard anything about that, also checked the morning call online and couldnt find anything....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on February 13, 2006, 02:48:07 PM
Thanks...probably just rumors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on February 13, 2006, 02:53:08 PM
I too heard that Kutztown has been looking for a new head coach, wouldnt think Coach Dap would want to move from Moravian, he has a nice program going there...then again it is a move up to D II.

Upbrmeasap...still no news for the "OC" position at del Val.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 13, 2006, 03:22:55 PM
my guess will be end of this week or early next week that word gets out on who it will be....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on February 14, 2006, 04:17:12 PM
Cmon, Billman, you should know better...

Whenever moving from D3 to another division, we always refer to it as moving down...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on February 16, 2006, 02:10:16 PM
Pat Cummings.....Sorry Pat , I lost my head here...still going through the mid-winter depression and withdraw from football.  Yes leaving D3 is most certainly a step down.  Dont know what to do when Jr. graduates, guess I will have to adopt another player to follow. Looking forward to next nseason already and your columns.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 03:09:52 PM
By the way, since there's usually a fair amount of crossover between sports, just a reminder to people that we now have men's and women's lacrosse message boards as well:

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?board=1501.0 (men)
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?board=1502.0 (women)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on February 16, 2006, 08:26:34 PM
Upbrmeasap. Bossman05...I heard today that Greco has been named to the "OC" position.....should be an interesting year. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 17, 2006, 08:17:27 AM
a very solid choice. good to see the staff is set and a new exciting qb with a big league arm will be ready. summer cant get here soon enough
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie5 on February 17, 2006, 01:12:09 PM
I believe I told you "guys" that on February 4th. Perhaps if you really want to know things that are happening at DVc you should ask someone who has a real player on the team!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 17, 2006, 01:32:10 PM
when you stop patting yourself on the back you should realize there are numerous people on this board who have children on the team..... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on February 17, 2006, 02:54:56 PM
Upbrmeasap....Yes very glad here to see the staff is complete and in place. greco was the logical choice  but wanted to hear it and not just have it rumored. Also heard he was playing in Italy???  So he should be of immense help. I believe he knows the system from Mangus but guess he will want to implement his own or a variation.

MaAggies5 ...yes you did tell us earlier but I wanted to wait for confirmation....thanks just the same.

GO AGGIES!!!



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: justonequestion on February 18, 2006, 03:50:35 AM
for all the dvc guys do you know if a coach from last year named rahill every made it onto the big stage this will be my only post on the board
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on February 19, 2006, 05:40:44 PM
I am just wondering what she means by "real player", aren't they all for "real"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on February 20, 2006, 04:17:28 PM
With Port , Minotti and a slew of other seniors leaving . who will be Albrights leaders and who steps in and replaces the graduating seniors at these high
profile positions
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 21, 2006, 12:09:57 PM
>>>just one question no idea what your referring to you need to post more info.... congrats to the aggie wrestling team storming to their 5th consecutive mac crown!!! and 5 individual champions as well!!! well done and good luck at the ncaa championships
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: justonequestion on February 21, 2006, 12:25:39 PM
chris rahill was a former qb coach in the pcl and took a job with dvc i dont remeber what his offical title was but i know he was something on the staff has he moved up since all of these coaching changes have occured
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 21, 2006, 12:30:16 PM
last i saw coach rahill was still oline and te asst coach there has been nothing "official" released by the school regarding any coaching changes other than clements being named head coach
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 27, 2006, 12:46:12 PM
interesting take on the MAC defections and some of the rumors circulating around....Everyone can make their own conclusions from the story but I have to admit I kinda agree with coach mangus in that if you leave with all sports teams leaving the conference its one thing but only football leaving and saying its not only for wins in football kinda makes it hard to believe them... http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-02272006-618895.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on February 28, 2006, 10:43:16 AM
I really don't understand that whole "we're leaving because academics things".  I might have stated this before so give me a little bit of a berth on this.  My son qualified for Susquehanna, Juniata, F&M, just to list a few of the schools.  If your not happy wherever you go to school, it's all for not.  My son knew he did not want to go to Juniata, it just did not fit him.  So what does a school do, increase the Aid Package, we know that's difficult at the Div 3 level and in some cases against the rules.  You don't ask to leave 1 sport and say it's because of academics!  Good luck to those schools, but the grass isn't always greener.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Longtooth on March 01, 2006, 05:05:02 PM
What are the drfinitions?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 02, 2006, 12:35:28 PM
longtooth click on the link in my post above to see the news story and read about the defections...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theshade on March 02, 2006, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: jb on February 28, 2006, 10:43:16 AM
I really don't understand that whole "we're leaving because academics things".  I might have stated this before so give me a little bit of a berth on this.  My son qualified for Susquehanna, Juniata, F&M, just to list a few of the schools.  If your not happy wherever you go to school, it's all for not.  My son knew he did not want to go to Juniata, it just did not fit him.  So what does a school do, increase the Aid Package, we know that's difficult at the Div 3 level and in some cases against the rules.  You don't ask to leave 1 sport and say it's because of academics!  Good luck to those schools, but the grass isn't always greener.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theshade on March 02, 2006, 08:20:14 PM
sorry I messed up the last post . I meant to reply. I think after they leave the MAC there will be teams that leave the centennial in search of higher academic standards. If it keeps up that way, some  football programs will be done just like the "better than thou swarthmore"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 03, 2006, 12:31:36 PM
here is a good article on duke greco being named OC as well as a little tidbit on coach mangus didnt take long to get a stud qb at mtsu and is starting to build his new team around a great qb....http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-03022006-620164.html
Title: Yes
Post by: MOJO on March 05, 2006, 07:24:11 AM
Hello all,
In reference to the topic of student athletes transferring to other schools warrants this post.  In my opinion most kids transfer for one reason only, playing time!  Yes, there are always exceptions to any statement made and yes there are some student athletes that transfer because one school might offer a curriculum that their current school does not.  I still contend that most transfers involve where can I play, and not if a school is academically superior.  If you look at the schools in the MAC, across the board you will find academic  parity.  Yes, some of the MAC schools have have histories of offering acceptance to student athletes that would not be accepted at some of the other MAC schools, however, if you look at the top 20% of the student body at each school, academically, it is a level playing field.  Each MAC school has contributed it's share of doctors, lawyers, and Indian Chiefs. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on March 09, 2006, 03:12:23 PM
just wanted to ask what people thought about the major difference in recruiting at D3.  I see alot of schools bring in 40 or 50 kids every year, and have a team could number up towards 130 or 140 young men.  While other schools keep the incoming class anywhere 20 to 30, and about 100 young men total.  Is there any real difference, or does it provide any better talent ?  I've heard that Mount Union brings in alot of kids,  and if you don't get a look, oh well. 

I know some MAC schools use the bring in more philosophy, but is it any better?  Just trying to spur conversation in an otherwise dead period. ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on March 13, 2006, 10:02:45 AM
jb,
I would think that bringing in 40 or 50 players would make it pretty tough on coaches to evaluate who their best players are.  With preseason practice time being very limited, you can't give everyone an equal look.  Obviously some players would be overlooked.  I would think that chemistry could be a problem too.  How do you mold a team with that many new players into a cohesive unit? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 13, 2006, 10:29:36 AM
i know mangus brought in very large classes i cant remember the exact numbers but upwards of 80+ and maybe even over 100 a couple of times but that i think was done by how poor the talent level was when he took over kids new they they would have a chance to play right away plus mangus was a dynamite recruiter and kids knew they would get a look even with the large numbers.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on March 13, 2006, 03:17:24 PM
Guys
Just remember that at many D3 schools, there is a HUGE attrition rate. Unless you are at a "cream of the crop" school, or have incredible luck, the school NEEDS 40-50 freshmen every year to keep the squad total at about 100. By the time that 50 player class becomes seniors, many a program would be fortunate to have 20 seniors left...
Without the $$ to keep players around, it takes a dedicated person to stick with the team despite not getting on the field. Factor in academic concerns, financial aid, and injuires, and it's tough to keep all of the players around.
I know this example is ideal, but if you have 2 deep on O and D, (44), and a "look" squad to service each team, that's 66 healthy players needed to even practice...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on March 14, 2006, 07:00:46 AM
bill,
I think the attrition rate would be worse by bringing in 40 to 50 players.  As you stated, it's hard for players to stick around when they don't get on the field.  If you bring in more players, then that's just more players who sit the bench.  You can only play so many even with liberal substituting.  If I'm a player and see another 149 or so players on the team, I know my shot at getting a chance to play is less then if a team carries only 100 players. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 14, 2006, 01:31:34 PM
i would disagree a little bit john in the fact that kids at this level realize they are not going to play at the next level and play for the love of the game. So it is not quite as big of a deal if they arent seen on espn on saturdays plus the way i see it if you look at the incoming class and say thats a lot of kids to go up against it to me means your afraid of competition in that case most coaches would not want you on the team. case in point penn st graduates almost their entire def backfield this year so they are bringing in a lot of kids who were either all state or all american in high school so they better be ready to compete. Some kids will switch to other positions if they get beat out by somebody as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on March 14, 2006, 02:07:14 PM
John
I understand your point, but here's a few other things:
With very few exceptions, D3 schools can't target their recruiting as much as they would like. They visit hundreds of athletes, and hope that they'll come. Not many schools are going to tell a kid that he's not wanted. If a kid wants to pay the money and come, they'll welcome him with open arms.
I'll return to my example of a 50 student class:
5 kids during camp (as freshmen) realize that this is serious business, and that it's not for them
2 kids don't pass the physical
10 kids are good enough to contribute in some way (special teams, etc.) immediately
the other 33 have to decide whether or not they'll ever be good enough to play. Many decide they are... We now have 43 left from our class of 50.

Then, over the next 3 years, (unfortunately) 2-3 might get hurt and decide to give it up, or not be able to perform anymore. 5 more have academic issues, and have to transfer/leave school. 5 more have financial aid problems. 10 more rethink the "am I good enough" question and decide that they're not...We now have only 23 students left after 4 years.
I can only speak for what I have seen at FDU. However, from talking with others over the years, I don't think my examples are that far fetched. Most MAC schools do not have senior classes of 25+ year in and year out.
It's especially difficult at schools where the team hasn't had success winning year in and year out. In those cases, I think players are quicker to "bolt" and not stay with the program. Everyone wants to be a winner, and the marginal player has a hard time sticking around...
I guess what I am trying to say is that even with a 50 player class, the team still won't have 150+ players.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on March 14, 2006, 02:43:51 PM
uPBRmeASAP,
I agree that players at this level play for the love of the game which is exactly why I would want to go somewhere that I am going to get a good look.  Not somewhere that I'm buried behind 20 other position players.  If I only have 4 years of football left, I want to play, not sit.  I don't think that necessarily says you are scared of the competition.  Penn State is also a different situation.  You could sit there for 3 years, make a big impact your senior year, and end up a free agent in the NFL. 

bill,
I guess my experiences were a bit different.  I was used to recruiting classes of around 20.  I didn't see much attrition due to injury or transferring.  Maybe the situation I saw was not the norm. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: OTDE72 on March 17, 2006, 01:27:43 AM
Anyone hear anything on the Wilkes OC Mcnulty leaving? or better stated Sheptocked?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on March 17, 2006, 10:27:13 AM
The reason I ask the question about recruiting numbers at D3 because there seems to be High and lows.
I know Lyco averages about 35 recruits a year, in the last 5 at least.  Between the highs and lows (# of recruits) they seem to be filling holes that they project.

Other schools just seem to bring in 50 kids a year no matter what...and carry 135 on a team.  I think attrition plays a factor a little...but remember if you start with 100 players and lose 20 to 25 in a year to various things you still have 75, and you still can't dress all those on the road.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on March 23, 2006, 11:23:17 AM
UPBRMEASAP

Glad the warmer weather is close. How was your Winter? Well today is the 2nd day of Spring Practice at DVC.  My question, is there going to be anything done with the football field. From the bleachers it dosent look to bad. but up close it is horrible. If they are going to re sod it,I would think it would be underway but then again I dont know too much about grass and sod etc.  I would think now is the time of year to do it...not in the heat of the Summer. what is your take on it??

I see a lot of funds poured into upgrading the baseball field, I would have thought football would have taken precedence over that, as there were complaints from the visiting playoff teams in December regarding the field condition.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on March 23, 2006, 12:02:26 PM
Billman

I always thought it funny that a school with an actual "turf management" or ag major would have problems with a grass field  :)
Can't they have some of the actual students work on it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 23, 2006, 12:11:34 PM
my guess is they have to wait awhile longer to stay away from deep freezes as well as coordinate it with a outside vendor for the laying of the sod etc....but i dont have anything factual yet....yes they do have ag students work on different things around the school as a matter of fact when i went there you were assigned certain trees/shrubs and gardens your maintenance of this area was a major part of your final grade i am not sure if they still do that....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on March 23, 2006, 08:36:59 PM
I know alittle bit about grass and sod, as I use to manage a baseball field.  Certainly sod is easier than seed when re-doing a field, sod rooting really only occurs above 60 Degrees and constant watering for at least the month to take hold.  Seed germination and growth is normally 3x what sod is, with slightly warmer weather and watering.

So re-doing a field in PA. really should be started in early April, and that give the grass,sod, a solid 2 months before the summer scorch of june.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam on March 24, 2006, 12:28:58 PM
YAY!!!! IM BACK!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 24, 2006, 04:18:29 PM
didnt know you were gone chum slam..... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on March 26, 2006, 03:11:50 PM
Hey MAC Posters,

Just spent three days on campus at Lycoming and wondering what you are hearing in regard to the MAC and its future?

Anyone have any scuttlebutt (Navy slang for gossip) to pass around?

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 27, 2006, 11:55:42 AM
you tell us lyco....you were on campus with your ear to the ground any hot rumors?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on March 27, 2006, 12:10:27 PM
bill...you would think with a turf management curriculum , that redoing the field would be a tremendous experience and a great project for the school to do it themselves, but if something would go amiss...?? Who knows what would happen.  So I guess they will leave it to the professionals.

UpBRmeasap....I got word that May 1st is the target date to start re sodding the field or I should say that is the day the project is slated to start.

Chum Slam...Glad to hear you are back and alive and well...look forward to your posts


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on March 27, 2006, 03:07:39 PM
UB,

If I tell you what I know I make you smart.  If you tell me what you know you make me smart.

Which is decidedly to my advantage?

Since you offer no information I shall provide none for now except to say that things are at a very interesting time for the MAC presently.

By the way, RIP Coach Schipper - class guy, class program, true mentor and leader.  Blessings to all who mourn his loss.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on March 27, 2006, 03:08:58 PM
uPBRmeASAP,

Last post was for you and not meant as a slur - sorry about the form of address - just careless on my part.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 28, 2006, 12:00:22 PM
come on lyco....you know something go ahead and spill it....any truth to the rumor of lyco jumping ship?                     
billman good to see they are getting ready to start work on the field I cant figure it out when I went there that field was immaculate year round so who knows molds etc are tricky and once they grab hold of a field its tough to get it back
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: barroomhero on April 02, 2006, 10:05:58 AM
Back to the topic of bringing people in.

I went to FDU as a frosh in 1998. I was one of about 30, maybe more, people coming in. By the time my Senior year came there were 2 of us left from our recruiting class!! i recall a lot of people leaving during camp in the middle of the night my frosh year. A lot of people failed out, as did I, but I came back. I think the main to reasons why people leave is; They dont want to start back at the bottom after a senior year, academics, and dedication during the season and the off season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 04, 2006, 12:06:55 PM
DVC's football schedule is out on their school's website ....second half of the schedule will not be easy with away games at kings and widener at least we have lyco at home this year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2006, 01:08:25 PM
We have that on the site:
http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Delaware+Valley&year=2006
We also have Widener:
http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Widener&year=2006

There are a couple of MAC schools that have schedules on their sites but don't have game times. When they have a full set of game times, we'll post them here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on April 05, 2006, 09:18:32 PM
LYCO80
    Have you seen or heard anything about Lycoming's spring practice.  Just wondering how everything is coming along up in Williamsport since you were there recently.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on April 10, 2006, 10:36:59 PM
Anyone have any info on the new qb at Del Val with spring practices starting and all?

hey guys what happen seems like our mac board isn't very active.....

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on April 11, 2006, 10:24:16 AM
Bossman05

The MAC board isnt all that active during the Winter but now it is early Spring and should pick up quickly.

Spring practice has been going on now for about three weeks. The new QB is alledgedly from Bayonne, NJ and a D1 prospect until he tore up one of his knees, Had surgery and supposed to be the real deal.  Supposed to have decent size and speed but all this is hear say. I personally cannot confirm all of that but that is what I am hearing.

The annual Banquet is on the 23rd of this month and I should hear some more scuttlebutt, will share it withyou guys.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on April 11, 2006, 10:57:54 AM
I saw the kid from Bayonne once in high school and he had a great game, this was before he got hurt, I think he was a junior when I saw him.  He had a really good HS career in a fairly tough league.  If he is healthy he should be ok.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 12, 2006, 08:47:17 AM
billman i drove by the school the other day but was in a hurry so i couldnt stop in to check on the field to see whether they have started putting the sod down i looked in off rt. 202 but couldnt see anything
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Billman56 on April 13, 2006, 07:30:28 PM
UPBRMEASAP

No work started on the field as of Tuesday...Jr says it will be May 1st. They are still practicing on it even though there have been a few injuries suffered through loose footing....Spring practice should wrap up soon.  Again rumor has it there is a D1 transfer coming to DVC as a punter???  Just rumor guys!!!  From what I personally observed Tuesday all 4 QB's look to have strong arms...didnt get to see any mobility though.  See you soon...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 13, 2006, 09:51:45 PM
Complete Susquehanna schedule:
http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Susquehanna
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 17, 2006, 12:32:41 PM
well i am glad they have several qb's to choose from with what 18 returning starters they dont need a qb to win the game for them just dont lose it. a decent punter would be a huge addition that was a area lacking last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 20, 2006, 10:35:58 PM
Here's an awesome story about a very inspirational kid who's at Widener (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=santoliquito/060420&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos3).  Check it out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on April 21, 2006, 12:28:18 PM
GREAT STORY ABOUT THE KID AT WIDENER BUT DOES HE PLAY FOOTBALL AND WHAT POSITION??

UPBRMEASAP......Happy Spring and how many days to the new season?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on April 22, 2006, 12:30:43 PM
he runs track, 5,000 & 10,000.  Very nice story.  Good luck to that young man with the Penn Relays, MAC championships, and NCAA's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Snake Parlor on April 28, 2006, 01:30:05 PM
hey had a question. does anyone know where to get the DIII spring practice rules? or does anyone know what they are for DIII?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 01, 2006, 03:44:12 PM
a link to an article about the new field being put down at del val....sounds very nice with a new drainage system and a new practice field as well....its finally a start in the upgrade to facilities now a little investment in the stadium as well as the training facilities and we will be all set... http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-04302006-649533.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on May 02, 2006, 02:31:01 AM
uPBRmeASAP

Thanks for the heads up regarding the article...sounds like it will be a very nice field now
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 10, 2006, 07:31:53 AM
here is the colleges link for the work about to begin on the football stadium and practice fields. http://www.devalcol.edu/athletics/football/news_47.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 11, 2006, 05:04:27 PM
Check out today's Daily Dose for more rumblings on possible additions to the MAC (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=204).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 12, 2006, 12:03:59 PM
my guess would be tcnj or wesley....both would be nice additions to the mac.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on May 14, 2006, 05:33:46 PM
The MAC, and other D III conferences, will likely continue to struggle to maintain membership as more and more small colleges face economic choices regarding the viability of fielding a football program.  Let's face it, the sport is very costly and tuition and fees can add up to 30 K a year for an average family seeking to send junior or missy to school.  It does not appear that costs will slow down either as fuel prices rocket ever higher and white-collar payrolls increase.  In other words, something will have to give.

Granted, the current MAC crisis is due to a shift of schools from one conference to another.  However, I am going on record as saying that it is only a matter of time before schools with marginal win-loss results begin to think that a football program may be a luxury they can no longer afford.  If you truly look around you will see that there are more D-III schools than there are D-III schools with football programs. 

While I wish it were not true, particularly given the opportunity for an excellent calibre of play for many high school athletes in college, the D-III experience may be at its zenith and already beginning its descent.

Other poster's thoughts?

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 15, 2006, 12:36:18 AM
Lyco80:

Thanks for the thoughtful post.  This tends to be a quiet time of year.

While my affiliation with this site biases me, I think Division III is very strong.  During the past couple years a variety of schools -- LaGrange, SUNY-Maritime, Becker, Huntingdon, St. Vincent, Husson -- added the sport at the Division III level.  Only a few have dropped it in the past few seasons (Swarthmore, NJCU).  And there are a host of other teams working their way through "provisional status" to full membership in Division III.

Schools find football attractive because of the interest it generates among alumni and, in some cases, the ability to draw men into schools with a disproportionate share of female students.  The Portland (Maine) Press Herald (http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/specialrpts/boys/060327admit.shtml) offers anecdotal evidence that this was the case at Division III Husson.

That's not to say some schools aren't facing budgetary pressures.  I worry mostly about the public schools (a la NJCU), not the private ones.  Swarthmore dropped football, but the school is not hurting financially to my knowledge.

What worries me more is the possibility that Division III could split between small, liberal arts schools (NESCAC, Centennial, MIAC, NCAC) and the rest of Division III.  That strikes me as a much bigger concern than Division III withering because of costs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2006, 01:48:25 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 15, 2006, 12:36:18 AM
Lyco80:

Thanks for the thoughtful post.  This tends to be a quiet time of year.

While my affiliation with this site biases me, I think Division III is very strong.  During the past couple years a variety of schools -- LaGrange, SUNY-Maritime, Becker, Huntingdon, St. Vincent, Husson -- added the sport at the Division III level.  Only a few have dropped it in the past few seasons (Swarthmore, NJCU).  And there are a host of other teams working their way through "provisional status" to full membership in Division III.

Schools find football attractive because of the interest it generates among alumni and, in some cases, the ability to draw men into schools with a disproportionate share of female students.  The Portland (Maine) Press Herald (http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/specialrpts/boys/060327admit.shtml) offers anecdotal evidence that this was the case at Division III Husson.

That's not to say some schools aren't facing budgetary pressures.  I worry mostly about the public schools (a la NJCU), not the private ones.  Swarthmore dropped football, but the school is not hurting financially to my knowledge.

What worries me more is the possibility that Division III could split between small, liberal arts schools (NESCAC, Centennial, MIAC, NCAC) and the rest of Division III.  That strikes me as a much bigger concern than Division III withering because of costs.

The advantage to the split for the "academic" schools is the chance to win the national championship with athletes that they admit.

Also, if there were just 7 conferences invited, plus an at large, then they could shorten the season by 2 weeks!  That is the sound bite that I would expect to hear!

Gordon, would you care to guess who would be invited to go with the split?

NESCAC, NCAC, UAA, MWC, Centennial, SCIAC?

Of the participants in the new D3-Elite, would they name the trophy after Coach Gagliardi after he won the first 3 titles? :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hoopandtheharm on May 15, 2006, 11:30:38 AM
I don't think we are on the cusp of a dmeise of DIII Football at all. Most DIII institutions are small and tuition driven. Many institutions give their athletic department recrutiment goals. That football team that brings in 35-50 kids a year is vital to instituional recrutiment goals. Take away football and you have to work much harder to make up the difference.

Pat Coleman's thought of a breakout is valid. Unless the division does somehting to curb growth such a change may be ineveitable. Unless they decrease the amount of access to championships and do something about the growth of the division, it will take veen longer to conduct championships and they may be the pre-text (lenght of NCAA CHampionships) needed to split the division. Hate to see it happen.

Is MAC doing anything to add football playing members?   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 15, 2006, 11:52:03 AM
In recent months, there was some talk of football-playing Shenandoah entering the MAC. However, this may have been just idle speculation. (And I don't envision any current MAC venues initiating football.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on May 15, 2006, 02:10:57 PM
My two cents:

The MAC will NOT add Wesley. The academics simply aren't there....

Shen. is an interesting fit, and it might have some merit. Since the commonwealth now needs an extra team for its other sports, adding them isn't out of the question. The non-football travel will be somehwat far, but remember that they're right on I-81 in northern VA.  Besides Lyco, it's not that far....In fact, I'd say that when traffic is accounted for, it's not much different than Scranton going to Manhattanville :)

It wouldn't be the worst thing for football either. With only 7 conference games, going to 8 will help some school's potential scheduling woes..

Also, they're in a "hot" admissions market (northen VA) and it will be the presidents that decide this one, because TCNJ isn't joining the MAC unless the NJAC does something wacky....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 15, 2006, 03:15:54 PM
Ralph:

Hm.  I'm not sure I know enough to suggest a list of probable D3 defectors.

The ones you listed strike me as possible.  Maybe the MIAC, Liberty League, SCAC or "Interstate 7" for non-football, too.

I gather there would be a lot that goes into that decision.  And I'd rather not think about it too much, I guess. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 15, 2006, 03:40:45 PM
Quote from: bill on May 15, 2006, 02:10:57 PM
My two cents:


... and it will be the presidents that decide this one, because TCNJ isn't joining the MAC unless the NJAC does something wacky....

I believe it is the presidents who always have the final say on membership.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2006, 04:13:07 PM
I don't think you will see too many conferences defect to a D-IV or III-AA. You'll probably see many conferences split down the middle.

Consider it -- given a choice of D-III or D-IV, where do you think Oberlin is going? How about Hiram? Then what do you think Wabash and Wooster and Wittenberg will do?

Are Johns Hopkins or McDaniel really likely to fall in the same camp as Swarthmore and Haverford? You know that III-AA or IV will not allow a school to also play D-I lacrosse.

If it happens -- and the odds appear lower now than they did five years ago -- it will not be a simple process.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 15, 2006, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2006, 04:13:07 PM


Are Johns Hopkins or McDaniel really likely to fall in the same camp as Swarthmore and Haverford? You know that III-AA or IV will not allow a school to also play D-I lacrosse.

The idea of Hopkins sans big-time lacrosse staggers the imagination. Jeez, the crabs in Chesapeake Bay would go on strike, and the monuments in Monumental City self-destruct in protest, and Baltimore be no better than the District of Columbia ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on May 16, 2006, 02:28:50 PM
I think what you'll find is that DIII schools that are current powers or are rich in football tradition will continue to have football.  Schools that are up and down, but rely on football to bring in students will also survive.  However, schools that aren't successful will always be surrounded by the rumors that football is being dropped.  With schools trying to balance budgets, anything "extra" is fair game.  And lets be honest, in many schools football is a luxury that doesn't bring in big dollars.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 16, 2006, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: john merrick on May 16, 2006, 02:28:50 PM
And lets be honest, in many schools football is a luxury that doesn't bring in big dollars.

Just out of curiosity, at how many D3 venues does football "bring in" any
dollars?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on May 16, 2006, 02:35:45 PM
I think it brings in big bucks as far as alumni contributions.  I know of some cases where donations from football alumni are used not only for the benefit of the football team, but also to benefit the school itself.  College presidents would be insane to kill football in those institutions.  They would be shooting themselves in the foot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on May 16, 2006, 02:36:49 PM
I also know of a few instances where clothing sales bring in big bucks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2006, 04:49:06 PM
You don't think tuition brings in big bucks? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 16, 2006, 06:31:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2006, 04:49:06 PM
You don't think tuition brings in big bucks? Just a thought.

Agreed. In D3, tuition and other things bring in the "big bucks." Sports, on the other hand, bring in very little, if anything ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on May 16, 2006, 07:56:32 PM
Obviously tuition brings in more money then football.  But my point is a school will be less apt to eliminate football when the sport can bring in money of its own.  If the football program just sucks money out of the institution then that's another story.  Also, when you're talking about private schools, many students don't pay full tuition.  So yes, in some cases, football can bring in big bucks especially when counting those alumni dollars.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on May 18, 2006, 10:50:24 AM
John
There was actually a thread about this topic some time ago; I'm just too lazy to go and look it up again :D

But yes, I agree. Tuition driven schools (like FDU and several other MAC schools) like the fact that at any time, there's about 100 tuition paying students on campus!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on May 18, 2006, 08:46:54 PM
Who cares bout all that garbage.......Lets talk football boys......If you wanna talk about all that school and tuition stuff go post on the centennial conference board...if there is one???

Which school signed some of the biggest recruits this off season??

Any big transfers??

Who will contend this year??

Will Lyco return to the top or continue to fall??

Will Mangus's departure hurt del val or will Clements continue del val success??

Has Leb Val admissions people started working with the football coaches??lol

Who is replacing Port at Albright? (Big shoes to fill)

Is Widener going back to their true colors and trying not to look like lyco??

How many games will Juniata win??

What more exciting playing Juniata or staying at the hotel on Raystown Lake??

Who will FDU upset this year if anyone??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on May 18, 2006, 10:31:35 PM
Quote from: bossman05 on May 18, 2006, 08:46:54 PM
Who cares bout all that garbage.......Lets talk football boys......If you wanna talk about all that school and tuition stuff go post on the centennial conference board...if there is one???

Which school signed some of the biggest recruits this off season??

Any big transfers??

Who will contend this year??

Will Lyco return to the top or continue to fall??

Will Mangus's departure hurt del val or will Clements continue del val success??

Has Leb Val admissions people started working with the football coaches??lol

Who is replacing Port at Albright? (Big shoes to fill)

Is Widener going back to their true colors and trying not to look like lyco??

How many games will Juniata win??

What more exciting playing Juniata or staying at the hotel on Raystown Lake??

Who will FDU upset this year if anyone??

I heard that a 6'8" tight end from the College of Charlestown is transferring to a MAC school near you soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 19, 2006, 09:29:45 AM
alright bossman a prediction...another dvc mac championship coming up this year... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on May 19, 2006, 10:19:29 AM
Bossman,
Sorry if we were boring you with our conversation.  Truth is that economics affects what happens on the field much more than transfers or new turf!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on May 19, 2006, 03:33:33 PM
We let one get away to the competition...

http://www.sungazette.com/sports/articles.asp?articleID=4678
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on May 20, 2006, 09:16:04 AM
Simba,

Glad to see you on here.  Coach G, and Lycoming College football, are a feeder program for other schools' coaching staffs.  Funny, but if you think about it, it is a tremenduous compliment to the program, despite the fact that you continually train and then lose quality people. 

I suppose the real question for me is what will happen when Coach G decides to retire.  Will the program go outside or promote from within?  Both have advantages and disadvantages.

Here's to a good year for the Warriors.  I think it is time for them to reassert themselves in the MAC.

It will be very interesting to see what develops across the MAC per realignment issues.  I suspect we will see some schools from the MD and VA area invited into the league.  Why?  That is where the population demographics are moving for prospective students.  And, believe it or not, colleges are not about football wins and losses but about butts in the seats.

Still no word on our orders - Japan looks like a no go now.  Baby due late June - boy!  Promote to Captain in August - yea!!

Hope to see you in the Valley this Fall.

Blessings.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on May 20, 2006, 03:17:37 PM
Wow..sorry to see GB go to Susquehanna.  Coach Brown was a great mentor with real world (NFL) experience, and always had the kids attention.  My son only knew GB one year, but they developed quite a relationship.   Good luck to him !

Lyco80...when I was up for the banquet, it seemed nothing was certain about Coach G and his retirement.  Is there any sense about how much longer he will coach?  Of coarse, I being selfish saying I want him to coach at least through 09.

congrats on the child..

I won't be posting much after june 15...entering Pa State Police Academy...praying to make a couple games this year thanks to my new commitment
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on May 23, 2006, 01:42:56 AM
uPBRmeASAP

The thought of a third consecutive MAC championship  would be out of this world. The entire "D" is back with the exception of one, and the three "O" seniors who graduated are  a big loss. We all know the QB is key this year. returing running back Sheffield is an outstanding runner and I am looking who else will be stepping in.  But all in all it should be another exceptional season. Wilkes, Widener,Kings, Lyco will provide their usual testing of the team as well as LVC and Albright will be another question mark with a new QB and do not count out FDU as their program is on the rise.  Hope to see you at the tracks for tailgating.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 23, 2006, 12:10:08 PM
right on hangtime i agree sheffield played a fair amount last year and will be a very solid starter. key will be making sure the qb doesnt have to carry the load with plenty of returning starters on the offense just make sure the qb doesnt lose the game for us and let them ease their way into the starting role. coach clements and greco will have this team ready to roll right out of the gate.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on May 23, 2006, 01:17:03 PM
While I would like to share your enthusiasm, I'm not quite as confident as you two. First of all you not only lost 2 exceptional skill position guys on the offense you lost probably the best center you'll ever see play at Del Val. It's great that there are a large number of starters on D but they had their problems last year, one of them was injuries, so they'll need to be much better this year. The offense will be different as it will try to be a grind it out type as opposed to the flash of the last three years. That will require a very strong O-line.

This is a tough conference and it won't be easy to win it for the third year in a row. Obviously, teams will be gunning for the Aggies once again. Let's hope the returning starters come ready to play and some of the younger guys fill the holes. :)

Go Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 23, 2006, 04:51:02 PM
ftm good to see you around post more often....while i see your points in losing key people we do have a ton of returning starters and with wr's, 4 lineman and a tailback with a  good amount of experience. I think greco and co. will be a little more conservative but they will surprise people with how much they do throw the ball. carmon is a stud at wr and will outjump most db's for a ball and marshall is a nice compliment. If they work hard in the off season i think they have a legit shot to win the title again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on May 24, 2006, 05:24:34 AM
uPBRmeASAP
Did you receive my email prior to today?

Like we talked about earlier the QB will be the key and in question as to who it will be. In any event it is going to be another exciting season. For me personally the last 3 years have been outstanding.

FearThe Ram

I dont see the Aggies changing their attack all that much into a grind it out offense. I wouldnt think they would leave those 2 outstanding receivers, Carmon and Marshall just running patterns and not getting the ball. Those two are All American caliber and they should be getting the ball consistently. Obviously there has to be a mix and at the time you have to go with whats working. keep the faith baby...its not August yet.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 24, 2006, 03:34:55 PM
hangtime negative on the email i havent received anything yet....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on May 25, 2006, 02:00:06 AM
uPBRmeAsap

Only 4 posts and I get a negative 1 karma....whats with these guys???

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 25, 2006, 07:41:58 AM
you got me.....i was nice and have behaved myself and not really stirred the pot at all with my last 50+ posts and my karma is still locked in at -29 so screw it!! LOL!! I asked pat awhile ago and got some answer about how i didnt have enough posts to start getting a better karma well its now almost 100 posts later and i am still stuck on -29.... >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2006, 01:52:11 PM
I never said that. The number of posts only affects your ability to impact other people's karma.

I've also noticed that complaining about your karma only leads to karma going even lower.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 25, 2006, 02:47:47 PM
thats alright pat we arent here to make friends only to win mac games and by the looks of it dvc has been doing that now for awhile.... its all good pat!!  8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on May 25, 2006, 04:17:59 PM
Hangtime and Up I agree that there are a lot of quality guys returning, but I'm holding judgement until I see a scrimmage or two. Your point about working hard is certainly the key. Now is not the time for guys to sit back and rest on the last two season's accomplishments. Hitting the weight room and doing the conditioning are of the utmost importance.

As for the O I know that Coach C has already said he wants to hold the ball more on offense and keep the defense off the field some. Now that may not mean "grind it out" but it certainly sounds like a less explosive offense to me. It goes without saying how good the two WRs are. Now the only question is do we have a QB that will get them the ball...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on May 28, 2006, 02:32:21 PM
Lyco's 2006 Recruits...Contrary to last year's debate, we are still successfully recruiting student athletes from the Philly area...They will drive through Chester, Doylestown, the Lehigh Valley and Reading on their way to Williamsport  to play for a D3 Coaching Legend...In fact, check out the OL from Central Bucks West and the TE from CB East!....Simba

http://www.lycoming.edu/sports/football/06releases/fb_24may06_2006recruitingclass.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 30, 2006, 08:20:46 AM
Simba any philly recruits driving thru doylestown on their way to williamsport are severly lost and cant read a map!!  ;D   Also the OL on your link says c.b. east not c.b. west which is no longer the powerhouse they used to be. Coach pettine has retired and Coach carey who developed all those great olines and dlines is now an asst coach at north penn h.s. which is now a powerhouse. hope he works out well for you albeit not too well..... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on June 01, 2006, 04:50:57 AM
uPBRmeASAP, Ever check out the MAC record book, some very interesting stuff there.....Maybe they will update it for 2005, which will only add to it.

D3Phan...you on here yet or what???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 02, 2006, 12:03:32 PM
i havent looked at the record book in a long time. since its a quiet friday i just may have to take a look again....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on June 02, 2006, 02:13:30 PM
any rumors on the tight end transfer,,,,,what school will he be attending and how good is he?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Phan on June 04, 2006, 10:36:30 AM
Yes, I am still around, Do I know you? New name perhaps?



I am looking forward to football season this year, just sad that it will be the last for us. Hope its an awesome season!!!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on June 06, 2006, 12:32:01 PM
If anyone's interested, here's FDU's incoming class as of 6/3/06...

http://fdudevils.com/football/pages/class06.pdf
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on June 06, 2006, 04:05:05 PM
with merely a few months until camp opens its doors in august for the start of the 06 season, what are everyones predictions on the season? who had good recruiting classes? and lets go one step more, can anyone out of the MAC this year stick it to the rowans and mt. u's and go deep? lets open the board up... haha
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 07, 2006, 12:14:05 AM
FYI...

We're tracking recruiting news as we receive it for the MAC and all other teams on the Daily Dose (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/).

We're a little light on the MAC teams, but we do have the full class for Lycoming.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 07, 2006, 01:10:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 07, 2006, 12:14:05 AM
FYI...

We're tracking recruiting news as we receive it for the MAC and all other teams on the Daily Dose (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/).

We're a little light on the MAC teams, but we do have the full class for Lycoming.

LVC's 2006 roster (tentative?) is available on the athletics page of the college Web-site.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on June 07, 2006, 11:37:28 AM
Question?

Is D3 doing the pre season magazine this year again?

If so will it be available on news stand or still on the computer?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tomcat#12 on June 07, 2006, 05:40:15 PM
I think Albright could be a contender this season.  I heard they have most of their defense back and have a division 2 quarterback transfer. I am not sure about the receivers but if the line comes together they should be fun to watch.  I can't wait for the season to start.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 07, 2006, 06:21:30 PM
Quote from: bossman05 on June 07, 2006, 11:37:28 AM
Question?

Is D3 doing the pre season magazine this year again?

If so will it be available on news stand or still on the computer?

Bossman,

We will be doing it again this year and in the same format.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on June 07, 2006, 08:48:41 PM
appx when can we expect the mag to be out?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 08, 2006, 12:39:53 PM
re: recruiting for dvc to me it is just a hunch but coach is going to keep things quiet and close to the vest on who is entering the 2 time defending mac champions program.   8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on June 09, 2006, 02:38:09 AM
uPBRmeASAP

I have heard the same thing regarding keeping things quiet but dont understand why. In my opinion if a player has decided to go to any school, he most likely will not change his mind but rather go through with it. Do the coaches think some other program will come along and recruit them away? Let the cat out of the bag and lets start the chatter on here...cant wait for the season to begin.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 09, 2006, 07:48:13 AM
hangtime i think its just coach clements way of doing biz...which is fine with me. He has to do what he thinks will allow him and the team be most successful. I am soooooo ready for the season to begin. I really think dvc can have a very good year. If the players hit the weights and cardio workouts now they should be very strong out of the gate this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on June 09, 2006, 08:26:43 AM
Quote from: bill on May 15, 2006, 02:10:57 PM
My two cents:

The MAC will NOT add Wesley. The academics simply aren't there....


Bill---
Wesley was invited to join the Capital Athletic Conference before the MAC began considering new members. Those schools have an excellent academic profile (Mary Washington, York, Goucher, etc.)

Historically, it seems to me, that it has been "academic" schools that have fled the MAC. The Centennial schools' exodus of the early 80's (late 70's?) and this year's defectors.

I don't think that you know anything about academics at Wesley and if you do, you should have included it in your comments instead of this ...................

Without any support, your comments are worth less than two cents, they are worth nothing!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on June 09, 2006, 08:59:10 AM
Conrad, first please don't think i'm a "troll", but as for "fleeing the MAC", i don't regard Manhattanville and Arcadia (Beaver) as being slouches academically.  Also, all colleges and universities are "academic" - no?  Actually, i do not know anything about Wesley other than it's in Dover Delaware.  i'm sure it's a great "academic" school, as well.  i'm so hungry for Del Val news that i go into all sites just trying to pick up info.  Sorry for the intrusion.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 09, 2006, 09:32:21 AM
someone put vinegar in ol' conrad's cheerios this morning...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on June 09, 2006, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 07, 2006, 06:21:30 PM
Quote from: bossman05 on June 07, 2006, 11:37:28 AM
Question?

Is D3 doing the pre season magazine this year again?

If so will it be available on news stand or still on the computer?

Bossman,

We will be doing it again this year and in the same format.

Just a suggestion Pat, maybe this needs to be added to the FAQ.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 09, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
Quote from: kate on June 09, 2006, 08:59:10 AM
Also, all colleges and universities are "academic" - no?

While all colleges are, indeed, "academic," there's an evident difference between the academics at, say, Delaware Valley, Wesley, LVC, East Texas Baptist, on the one hand, and, e.g., Swarthmore, TCNJ, Haverford, Rochester, and the University of Chicago, on the other.

Part of the difference is real, part is perception and reputation.

(I'll go way out on a limb here and suggest that a highly motivated and disciplined student can learn as much at a venue in the former group as he/she can in the latter [this is not a put-down of the latter, nor is it "reverse snobbery"].)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 09, 2006, 10:06:44 AM
well put warren....i agree totally alot of it comes down to what effort the student is willing to put forth...you can lead a horse to water...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on June 09, 2006, 10:12:54 AM
Quote from: kate on June 09, 2006, 08:59:10 AM
Conrad, first please don't think i'm a "troll", but as for "fleeing the MAC", i don't regard Manhattanville and Arcadia (Beaver) as being slouches academically.  Also, all colleges and universities are "academic" - no?  Actually, i do not know anything about Wesley other than it's in Dover Delaware.  i'm sure it's a great "academic" school, as well.  i'm so hungry for Del Val news that i go into all sites just trying to pick up info.  Sorry for the intrusion.

Kate--
No offense meant, Kate, that's why I used "academic." Some schools seem to think they are better than others and they very well be.

It is their arrogance that bothers me. An education is what an individual makes of it. I know that the MAC has fine schools.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on June 09, 2006, 10:16:35 AM
[quote .r=uPBRmeASAP link=topic=3557.msg527865#msg527865 date=1149859941]
someone put vinegar in ol' conrad's cheerios this morning...
Quote

My karma is too high. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 09, 2006, 10:42:12 AM
now your talking conrad....talk a little smack and drop into the negative zone with the rest of us dvc people....pat has permanently stuffed us in the zone....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2006, 10:56:58 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on June 09, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
Quote from: kate on June 09, 2006, 08:59:10 AM
Also, all colleges and universities are "academic" - no?

While all colleges are, indeed, "academic," there's an evident difference between the academics at, say, Delaware Valley, Wesley, LVC, East Texas Baptist, on the one hand, and, e.g., Swarthmore, TCNJ, Haverford, Rochester, and the University of Chicago, on the other.

Part of the difference is real, part is perception and reputation.

(I'll go way out on a limb here and suggest that a highly motivated and disciplined student can learn as much at a venue in the former group as he/she can in the latter [this is not a put-down of the latter, nor is it "reverse snobbery"].)

Warren, thanks!

I will use that as a segue to plug the new book by a 2006 McMurry grad from my home town about the battle of Corinth MS.

Steven Nathaniel Dossman had his book published in April 2006 by the McWhiney Foundation Press, one of 2 academic presses on the McMurry campus, and part of the consortium at Texas A&M.

http://www.tamu.edu/upress/BOOKS/2006/dossman.htm

Congratulations, Steven!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 09, 2006, 11:10:18 AM
oops conrad i stand corrected.....i just became a "starter" in my posts and my karma just dropped a point to nice -28 ....imagine that i must be getting soft as my posts grow...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2006, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on June 09, 2006, 10:42:12 AM
now your talking conrad....talk a little smack and drop into the negative zone with the rest of us dvc people....pat has permanently stuffed us in the zone....

I had nothing to do with it. Your posts have done it for you. You obviously p'ed off the wrong people!

I only put the tools out there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on June 11, 2006, 11:00:38 PM
Bill---
Wesley was invited to join the Capital Athletic Conference before the MAC began considering new members. Those schools have an excellent academic profile (Mary Washington, York, Goucher, etc.)

Historically, it seems to me, that it has been "academic" schools that have fled the MAC. The Centennial schools' exodus of the early 80's (late 70's?) and this year's defectors.

I don't think that you know anything about academics at Wesley and if you do, you should have included it in your comments instead of this ...................

Without any support, your comments are worth less than two cents, they are worth nothing!
   

I wasn't trying to start an arguement about academics again, but apparently on found me :)
I'm well aware that academic concerns and standards tore the MAC apart before; it's also doing it right now...
I don't have the time this minute to quote all of the Wesley admissions facts, I'll need to get all my facts straight first....However, I stand by what I wrote before. With academic concerns running rampant in the MAC, there was no way that anyone was going to let Wesley in.  They are a newcomer to the world of four year degrees, have a very high (17:1) student/teacher ratio and have average SAT scores of under 1000...I'll need to do more research about acceptance rates and grant award money...
I'm sure the school is improving. Standards seem to be on the rise everywhere, and I don't mean to insult anyone for their choice of schools. Wesley may be a great choice for some people. However, for a football playing school, they do not have the standards that the MAC presidents are looking to add.
I realize that Harvard and Yale are not MAC schools; this conference has no right to be arrogant about academics, it's just that Wesley was nowhere near the fit that the conference was looking for at this time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on June 12, 2006, 09:31:14 AM
Bill
With the  new academic standards that the MAC will be implementing Wesely will be forced to play under the same Guidlines as everyone else. Furthermore, If these academic standards are adopted, all schools in  the MAC will have to make signifigant adjustments. The total number of credits earned and GPA eligability is well over the NCAA cut off.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2006, 12:18:43 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on June 12, 2006, 09:31:14 AM
Bill
With the new academic standards that the MAC will be implementing Wesely will be forced to play under the same Guidlines as everyone else.

That seems unlikely, considering Wesley isn't in the MAC. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on June 12, 2006, 03:17:49 PM
Lindy's ranks DVC 6 in D-III poll for 2006 football season!!!
Go AGGIES ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 12, 2006, 04:43:10 PM
Very solid for DVC coming out of the gate albeit its just preseason and you have to prove it on the field. Rowan and #3 should give the boyz something to shoot for a rematch.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on June 13, 2006, 01:59:03 AM
uPBRmeASAP

Preseason rank of 6th is very nice but not realistic although I am an AGGIE supporter. I would have been happy being in the top 20. yes there are many starters coming back and so far it looks like a great season is brewing. I havent been to the new field yet, have you had the opportunity?

Did you get a chance to check out the MAC record book??

GO AGGIES
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 13, 2006, 08:10:48 AM
i havent had a chance yet to peek at the record book. I like the ranking maybe a little high with some key personnel loses but with a majority of people returning i look for them to be very strong especially as the season wears on and qb etc. get more experience
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 13, 2006, 12:27:06 PM
btw folks here is the latest on the "new" conference with former mac schools......http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-06092006-668232.html    some very interesting wording in the story i will let everyone read it and draw their own conclusions...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 13, 2006, 02:00:02 PM
Reads a lot like the story on the front page of D3hoops.com from last Friday. Except we have background information. :)

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=597
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 13, 2006, 02:03:52 PM
who cares about hoops???? answer==NOBODY  (yes a.p. and gannett all ran stories from last friday which was when this one ran as well..)  who wants to see a bunch of overpaid primadonna's whine about having overcooked prime rib if its not on East Region Football it ain't happenin!!!!    ;D      i better watch it or my karma is liable to tank again
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on June 13, 2006, 09:27:11 PM
Hello to all, the new season will soon be upon us.  I read with great interest the update concerning the "new" conference.  Question for the group, what MAC school, if any, will be the next to defect?  Academically, I have always felt there has been much parity throughout the MAC schools.  With that statement being made, I do feel that some MAC schools have been more lenient in their admission policies for athletes in certain athletic programs.  This approach more often than not  results in W's.  Keep in mind, football players are a small percentage of students compared to the whole, at any MAC school.  The academic prowess of Joe average student at any of the MAC schools is similar.  Yes, I am a MAC school graduate and have two sons that have attended a different MAC school than my alma mater.  I am anxious to read commentary on my comments.  Go Lyco and Go LVC!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on June 14, 2006, 05:56:15 AM
uPBRmeASAP

It was a surprise to see Moravian  leaving the MAC. I cant figure that one out. They had a strong program in football.  This is the first I have heard of it. I hope they are happy there along with the rest of the schools.
Me personally, I am sick of hearing all about the academic inadequacies vs school admissions, ETC.  Can we limit the discussions to FOOTBALL alone?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on June 14, 2006, 08:16:38 PM
the grass is not always greener on the other side.  I think some of the schools leaving the MAC might regret it eventually.  Susquehanna will have long bus trips every other weekend next year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 14, 2006, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on June 13, 2006, 02:03:52 PM
who cares about hoops???? answer==NOBODY  (yes a.p. and gannett all ran stories from last friday which was when this one ran as well..)  who wants to see a bunch of overpaid primadonna's whine about having overcooked prime rib if its not on East Region Football it ain't happenin!!!!    ;D      i better watch it or my karma is liable to tank again

It was ... and is ... also a link on the top of the message board pages, if you could be bothered to read that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on June 15, 2006, 03:37:24 AM
uPBRmeASAP

oooooH  That last post is going to come and bite your karma big time!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 15, 2006, 07:56:57 AM
sorry pat no I didnt bother multiple newswires had the story out hours before d3 sorry i read it there first.....i chose to put the link up to may be stir up a little debate. Thankfully MAC fans fball camps are on the horizon!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 11:32:10 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on June 15, 2006, 07:56:57 AM
sorry pat no I didnt bother multiple newswires had the story out hours before d3 sorry i read it there first.....i chose to put the link up to may be stir up a little debate. Thankfully MAC fans fball camps are on the horizon!!!

That isn't true, actually. We had the story early Friday and, in fact, we knew it was coming because we blogged about it on Thursday!

Here's the timestamp on the bottom of your link:

June 9, 2006 5:55 PM

By 5:55 we had had the story up for at least four hours.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 11:34:45 AM
In fact, here's the timestamp on my blog comment about the name:

#  Pat Coleman Says:
June 9th, 2006 at 1:01 pm

Interstate seven choose a name, front page.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2006, 11:38:28 AM
Who cares? Let him link to a different newspaper!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2006, 11:38:28 AM
Who cares? Let him link to a different newspaper!

I'm ok with that. What I'm not OK with is him slamming our coverage based on a false assumption. We had the story first, and it's his fault he missed it, not ours.

But frankly, I'm sick and tired of people not reading the front page. We have a lot of news and put a lot of work into our news coverage. People should take advantage of it rather than skipping to the message board and remaining clueless.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2006, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2006, 11:38:28 AM
Who cares? Let him link to a different newspaper!

I'm ok with that. What I'm not OK with is him slamming our coverage based on a false assumption. We had the story first, and it's his fault he missed it, not ours.

But frankly, I'm sick and tired of people not reading the front page. We have a lot of news and put a lot of work into our news coverage. People should take advantage of it rather than skipping to the message board and remaining clueless.


I see his stupid comment re: basketball, but I am still missing where he slammed the website.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on June 15, 2006, 07:56:57 AM
sorry pat no I didnt bother multiple newswires had the story out hours before d3

This one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2006, 11:52:10 AM
Fair enough.



But who cares? people are going to slam your site, my advice is the hands off approach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 11:58:58 AM
That's fine -- if they want to slam the site, however, they should find an accurate reason to do so. We aren't perfect, but I'm not going to take crap for something we got right. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: cold_case on June 15, 2006, 12:25:42 PM
Terriffic. Now that Catholic took an easy path, the front page will be blistered with Interstate Seven info, along with that one conference that's loaded with Virginia schools. Ohhhhhhhhh brother. ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 15, 2006, 12:27:46 PM
first off pat what exactly did i say you did not get right??? Pls enlighten me oh mighty one?  Next off  I would expect a media person to get HIS facts correct that time stamp is when phillyburbs ran it on their newswire not when the story actually broke and ran. So again what is it that was incorrect? actually sounds more like sour grapes than anything else. As you like to say "its not our fault he missed it...." again i did NOT miss it, I merely put it in the message board to spark a little conversation. I cant help it your p.o.'d that people are not reading your news and website for information. I would beg to differ on who actually is clueless here....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on June 15, 2006, 12:27:46 PM
first off pat what exactly did i say you did not get right??? Pls enlighten me oh mighty one?  Next off  I would expect a media person to get HIS facts correct that time stamp is when phillyburbs ran it on their newswire not when the story actually broke and ran. So again what is it that was incorrect? actually sounds more like sour grapes than anything else. As you like to say "its not our fault he missed it...." again i did NOT miss it, I merely put it in the message board to spark a little conversation. I cant help it your p.o.'d that people are not reading your news and website for information. I would beg to differ on who actually is clueless here....

Prove it. I proved my half of the story.

I also went to Google News, sorted by date, and the timestamp on the PR wire release posting was 3 p.m. That was the second-oldest story in the system -- the oldest did not have a time stamp on it. However, the second-oldest story was posted two hours after ours, so it's highly unlikely that "multiple newswires had the story out hours before d3."

Anything else?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 15, 2006, 12:54:07 PM
answer the question pat...nuff said....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on June 15, 2006, 12:54:07 PM
answer the question pat...nuff said....

I guess I'll have to re-repeat myself. You said multiple newswires posted the story before we did. That is wrong.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 15, 2006, 01:02:23 PM
Your quote is "i am not going to take crap for something we got right..." hmppffff.....please show me where i said you got it wrong and missed your facts?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 01:04:57 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on June 15, 2006, 01:02:23 PM
Your quote is "i am not going to take crap for something we got right..." hmppffff.....please show me where i said you got it wrong and missed your facts?

We got it right in terms of timing. You said we didn't.

"Getting it right" isn't only about answering the who-what-where-when-why -- it's also about getting it in a timely manner, playing it correctly and providing the proper context. We nailed it entirely on this story.

Yet you are giving me crap for it. No wonder your karma is in the tank. And to think I actually gave you a couple applauds last week to see if you could work your way out of the hole. Silly me. Your nature resurfaced.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on June 15, 2006, 01:07:11 PM
Take it to private messages, children!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 15, 2006, 01:18:12 PM
tomato - toomato....i agree with you pat on getting it right we have to have at least 2 sources before we release anything on our news wire most likely will be 3 before you know it. there is too much race to get it out there and only part of the story is correct or they miss it entirely. and what i said was meant tic but being as i was up against a deadline i didnt have time to preface it i would think you would know me better by now, especially when i am trying to drum up interest on the site during a traditionally quiet time
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 01:27:27 PM
I understand how you work, definitely -- as you may know, I work at a major media outlet as well.

I would also say, though, that when a press release comes directly from an institution then you don't need a second source backing it up. Two sources is more appropriate for anonymously sourced information. The only time I would intentionally hold onto a newsworthy item and delay publishing is if I feel the release is not giving the full story and something important is being left out. (I am, in fact, holding a story that I am digging into in my limited spare time.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on June 15, 2006, 03:02:55 PM
Any of you guys hear about this new "Landmark" conference that is out?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 15, 2006, 03:51:48 PM
LOL....figured you would show up ...flyin elvis's UTAH chapter...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 15, 2006, 04:04:01 PM
Pat

There is news on the front page?  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on June 16, 2006, 01:58:18 AM
uPBRmeASAP

Sounds like Obe Wan is a little thin skinned. It must be pre season jitters.

Oops there goes the Karma thing again...better watch it uPBRmeASAP, you'll be in the negative for life!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 16, 2006, 12:56:15 PM
i will forever be stuck in purgatory!!!    :o     have a good weekend everyone!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on June 16, 2006, 02:54:52 PM
uPBRmeASAP

Look on the bright side, you could have my Karma numbers ......... or lack there of :o ...................
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 16, 2006, 03:10:44 PM
ru i busted out a applaud vote 4 ya!! its all good in da hood
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on June 17, 2006, 12:25:03 PM
anyone know if preseason  polls are out yet?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 17, 2006, 08:47:21 PM
Quote from: Dynasty07 on June 17, 2006, 12:25:03 PM
anyone know if preseason  polls are out yet?

Lindy's magazine ranking is out. Sports Weekly will be out in a week and a half or so. Dunno when the other mags are out and ours will be out at the end of July.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on June 18, 2006, 08:06:36 PM
Hello to all,
The games gotta be played, but I feel confident the MAC crown goes through Doylestown again this year.  Watch out for those LVC Dutchmen!  With the exception of Wilkes and DVC, they played extremely competitive last year.  LVC is virtually intact from last year and could surprise many teams.  Yea, their record (W's and L's) don't imply that, but ask any team that played them last season and they will concur, they are the real deal.  In my opinion, Dan Kelly just might be the best QB in the league this year.  Commentary please!

 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on June 18, 2006, 08:13:31 PM
i too feel the d'men are going to be a very solid squad, a good core of upper classmen, and some solid frosh and transfers coming in. however, i feel that wilkes may be the team to beat this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on June 20, 2006, 05:14:25 AM
MOJO     You are correct about the Dutchmen. They had a good year and their w/l record does not tell the story. Last year you could tell LVC was on the right track with the new staff in place and yes, Kelley is going to be another great MAC QB.

The real test for Del Val will come in week # 2 when they travel to Wilkes. Over the last 2 years the margin of victory for Del Val has been only 15 points.  17-14 in 2005 and 12-0 in 2004. They have always been a tough team to beat and this year looks to be the same. Then Lyco is back at Del Val the following week. They have fallen short of late but you can never count Lyco out.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 20, 2006, 08:38:30 AM
the early part of the season will definetly tell the story for dvc. they better be ready coming right out of the gate. wilkes always seems to have a very good team and usually their oline and dlines are big and strong. the one thing dvc has going for it will be that how much change will be in order on offense with the new o.c. and they wont have a whole lot of game film (only 1 game the previous week) to view any changes. It wont be long now until camp opens!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on June 28, 2006, 02:31:11 PM
DVC AGGIES ranked 4th by Street & Smith

"The big question at Delaware Valley will be how it reacts under new coach Jim Clements, who was the team's defensive coordinator last season. The Aggies were 12-1 in 2005 and have eight starters back on offense and 10 on defense.

Finding a replacement for quarterback Adam Knoblauch will be the key. Whoever wins the job will have plenty of help during the transition, with several talented receivers, a proven running back and four offensive linemen returning.

Receiver Don Marshall had more than 1,000 receiving yards in 2005 and is a constant deep threat. David Carmon is also a clutch receiver, while tackle Kevin Harrigan is a load up front. The defense is solid, with end Anthony Silver capable of one big play after another. Cornerback Matt Murphy had five interceptions, and linebacker John Pursell logged 108 tackles."


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on June 28, 2006, 05:40:43 PM
who was 1 - 2 and three?

I hear the transfer qb had a real good spring.....

and at 6-4 220 i have heard that he has a big league arm????

any truth to this?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on June 28, 2006, 05:42:25 PM
also is dvc going to release their recruiting class.....i also heard they are trying to keep this on the down low.....is this true and why?






















Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on June 29, 2006, 03:51:34 AM
bossman05

What you have posted is what we all have heard over the past few months, so your guess is as good as anyone's elses. The coach is keeping everything close to the vest and that is his perogative, but fans are anxiously waiting for the recruiting list as well as the season to begin.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on June 29, 2006, 04:21:18 AM
Fear The Ram

I hear that Matt Murphy will return and hopefully he has shed those nagging injuries that have plagued him. You forgot to mention the Aggies Special Teams. They contibuted 70 points towards the season. Their kicker led the team in scoring and placed 4th in the overall scoring in the MAC vs all the running back, QB's and receivers. Overall it looks to be another good season for the returning Aggies and their fans.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on June 29, 2006, 05:50:33 AM
Fear The Ram

Sorry, I didnt know you were quoting the article...I guess they didnt think of special teams???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on June 29, 2006, 01:09:37 PM
Or perhaps they understand that special teams is more than just points---as your name states I would think you understand the importance of hangtime particularly enough for the coverage to get down field. There are some areas of special teams that need improvement particularly the punting game...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on July 01, 2006, 05:31:42 PM
Hello to All,
The supposed new DVC QB, 6'4'', 220 lbs, with a rocket arm.  If the facts are as presented, why is this kid playing at the D3 level?  Any "talented" QB with those physical parameters is a D1 caliber player, unless they don't have good feet, an arm, etc.  More times than not, when seeing a QB with those type physical parameters playing in division 3, shortcomings exist in the talent arena.  My intent here is not to be disrespectful to the player, the DVC program, etc., however, I gotta ask the question.  Commentary please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on July 03, 2006, 02:57:36 PM
As I hear it, he was a heavily recruited D-I guy who got injured and schools backed off...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on July 03, 2006, 03:58:53 PM
Mojo

Fear The Ram's post is also what I have heard. He was either injured in his HS senior year or Freshman college year. This is all rumor but thats what most have heard, and you know I hate rumors. Apparently he has the big time arm and all the tools. But isnt it like G.A. to go out  and recruit a diamond in the rough that everyone gave up on???


GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on July 04, 2006, 02:08:54 AM
He was injured in HS, I believe he blew up a knee, but can't remember for sure.  He had big time programs looking at him from his soph year on until he got hurt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on July 04, 2006, 02:03:41 PM
Knightstalker

Thanks for the info...I knew one of the D3 experts would have the inside track
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on July 04, 2006, 06:44:00 PM
Posters,
Thanks for the feedback concerning the new DVC QB.  If all is as presented, sounds like the Aggies are not gonna miss a step and just keep moving forward.  I wish this kid all the best.
                                                                   Mojo
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 06, 2006, 08:50:34 AM
as austin power's says "dvc's mojo shall keep moving forward.....yeah baby!!" hangtime what is the official date of the opening of training camp?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on July 07, 2006, 02:05:20 AM
uPBRmeASAP

Dont quote me but I did see the camp start date but cant remember it...think it may be the 16th of Aug. In my opinion having the bye the first week stinks, but it cant come soon enough.

GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 07, 2006, 08:45:08 AM
having no first game would worry me more if this team was young with no experience but with so many returning starters that doesnt concern me as much plus it gives wilkes only 1 game to view any changes the coaching staff have put in place...what scares me is lycoming the following week after wilkes and the letdown....coach g i think will have lyco ready to play in that game and it will be very tough for the aggies to get up emotionally the week after the wilkes game. that said i still think lyco has to play their best game in 3 years to have a shot at beating the aggies.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 10, 2006, 11:32:57 PM
For the Aggie fans who post and lurk, we have Delaware Valley's recruiting class posted off the Daily Dose (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=200).

As with most recruiting classes, it's tough to know what to make of most of these names.    Even if the kid is transferring from a D1-AA or D2 program, that alone doesn't tell you much. 

Here are a few nuggets anyway...

- The Aggies will reportedly have 11 guys competing for the quarterback spot – the eight guys on this list plus three from last year.  Other than Knoblauch, the other QBs on the 2005 roster were rising junior Billy Carroll and rising freshmen Andrew Hasenauer (last year's back-up), Matt Mariano and John Ward.  Apparently one of them won't be in the running.

- The list of potential QBs includes Ken Jaworski (no relation to Ron we understand) and Joe McMonagle  (Kutztown transfer) who've each been mentioned on this board and the Daily Dose.  Another name to watch is Mike Isgro, who was a very good pitcher and QB at Absegami High in NJ.

- Del Val will have +100 guys in camp but none will wear No. 9.  The school doesn't retire jersey numbers, but coaches occasionally pull numbers out of rotation.  Clements is doing that with Adam Knoblauch's number.

- One name that caught my eye is Greg Rissinger, who transfers from Susquehanna.  Rissinger was mentioned in last year's Kickoff Preview...

QuotePosition battle to watch: Defensive line, where sophomore transfers Greg Rissinger from California (Pa.) and Steve Rule, from Siena, will provide the depth that [SU Coach Steve] Briggs desires.

Rissinger appeared on the roster in SU's program, but did not register any tackles last season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 11, 2006, 08:36:58 AM
well said gordon...we never know until they get onto the field....just about 30 days until camp we cannot wait.....the aggies should be fun to watch this year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on July 11, 2006, 12:41:59 PM
dvc sounds solid again, whats everyone predict as in final standings?
1-Del Val (team to beat)
2- LVC ( if consistent might be as good as anyone)
3- Wilkes (tough, tough team to beat)
4- Lyco (finished strong, look for more)
5- Moravian (always a strong team)
6- Kings (Do not think they are as strong as years past)
7- Albright (post Port years)
8- Susquehanna
9- FDU (big classes, thats it)
10- Juniata (Tough to get the talent to go out there)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Moneyman25 on July 11, 2006, 01:05:58 PM
That is probably the least accurate set of standings I have ever seen aside from DVC at the top. Wilkes and Moravian should be battling for the number 2 spot behind del val. Kings should never be mentioned below LVC. Albright will have a tough year, simply becuase they perenially have a soft defense and with the loss of Port their offense will definatley lose fire power. FDU is returning about 18 starters and they beat both Albright and Lyco last year (49-14). Here is my prediction...

1.DVC
2.Wilkes
3.Moravian
4.Kings
5.Lyco
6.FDU
7.LVC
8.Albright
9.Susquehanna
10. Juniata
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on July 11, 2006, 01:18:55 PM
Where's Widener?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 11, 2006, 02:28:06 PM
who is widener never heard of them.... ;D         seriously the most interesting and biggest question mark for me will be lyco this year....can coach g turn it around and how good/bad will they be this year. have to admit it has been a happy holiday season the last several years around the household when seeing my sister (lyco grad) compared to when dvc was a perennial doormat.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Moneyman25 on July 11, 2006, 02:50:13 PM
my apologies for leaving widener out i'd put them anywhere from 2nd to 4th
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on July 11, 2006, 04:22:01 PM
same here... just blanked...  :-[i put them in the thicket of things in the middle
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on July 11, 2006, 10:19:44 PM
its great to see all the support the aggies are getting... but let me apologize in advance for the upset when they travel to wilkes september 16... they have 20 returning starters while del val has 18 i believe... should be a great one... ill be there and i hope all of you will be as well... should be the game of the year in d3 this season... great for the MAC...

GO COLONELS... MAC CHAMPS 06'  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2006, 10:28:42 PM
Quote from: MACguy on July 11, 2006, 10:19:44 PM
should be the game of the year in d3 this season...

You should venture outside the MAC a little.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 13, 2006, 12:05:58 PM
hangtime, my sister drove  by the school the other day and the field was still dirt they looked to be leveling the field and making a nice crown on it. its coming along nicely
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on July 14, 2006, 12:43:09 PM
uPBRmeASAP

Thanks for the undate regarding the field. Is that the sister who is the Lyco grad??? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 14, 2006, 12:46:19 PM
that is the one....my 2 nephews are going to the sports camps at dvc everyday....i think the field is going to be great with all the new drains under it and and a nice crown it should be in really good shape. i believe they are re-doing the  practice field as well.....then all they need to do is upgrade the stadium!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on July 15, 2006, 11:56:22 AM
Pat Coleman, all i simply meant was that those are the 2 highest ranked teams i see playing (according to street n smith anyways, could be very different by ur picks) so let me rephrase,
should be a great game in d3 this season.... wilkes vs. deleware valley... GOOD LUCK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on July 17, 2006, 04:12:18 PM
MAC gets the snub, basically, with pre-season all-americans, what gives?! I suppose the conference is going to have to go out and prove d3 wrong.....  8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2006, 04:37:19 PM
The conference got three preseason All-Americans out of 50 spots. With 233 teams in Division III that means that an 11-team conference on average should have had two spots out of 50.

I sure hope you're not complaining about the school you're posting from. You guys only had three All-CONFERENCE players last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 17, 2006, 05:35:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2006, 04:37:19 PM
The conference got three preseason All-Americans out of 50 spots. With 233 teams in Division III that means that an 11-team conference on average should have had two spots out of 50.

I sure hope you're not complaining about the school you're posting from. You guys only had three All-CONFERENCE players last year.

Pat, you need to forgive certain posters who seem to think that the MAC has the next Mt. Union or St. John's or Linfield -- or a Wittenberg or a Mary Hardin-Baylor or a Hardin-Simmons or even a Texas Lutheran. Wilkes, Widener, and Delaware Valley do nice things, but they're not [yet] world-class venues.

And to the complainer, keep in mind that no one is "snubbing" the MAC. This conference still needs to prove itself.

On the other other hand, you can't blame them for wishful thinking ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on July 17, 2006, 07:33:06 PM
Warren
Wadya mean!?! DVC beat TCNJ in the ECACs a few years ago. What more proof do you need?

BTW, we're strongly considering a relo to Houston for many reasons. Actually was close to having it be Austin or San Antonio (which I think you could have given me sage advice on). But Houston? Hotter than hell. Golf 24/7. Astros, Texans ... er ... uhh ... go Rice!

...shoot me now!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 17, 2006, 07:55:45 PM
Quote from: phil on July 17, 2006, 07:33:06 PM
Warren

BTW, we're strongly considering a relo to Houston for many reasons. Actually was close to having it be Austin or San Antonio (which I think you could have given me sage advice on). But Houston? Hotter than hell. Golf 24/7. Astros, Texans ... er ... uhh ... go Rice!

...shoot me now!

Mercy! If you're considering a relocation to Texas, please, please let it not be Houston. Yeah, you can hit the greens 24/7, but you will  also have the skeeters, the floods, the lack of any sort of zoning laws (i.e., a strip-joint next to a church or a day-care center), hurricanes, and the occasional scorpion and gator. The only place worse than Houston would be Dallas .... :'(

Get yourself and your family to the sane part of Texas: Austin or San Antonio or virtually any venue in between.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2006, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on July 17, 2006, 07:55:45 PM
the sane part of Texas.

Not sure I've ever heard this phrase. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on July 17, 2006, 08:54:45 PM
Warren,
I know, I know...

Thinking of northwest Houston on Lake Conroe ... would much prefer Austin or San Antonio tho'. The only positive when it comes to the relo would be exchanging the equity from the Chatham, NJ residence for greater Houston real estate. At least I can have 4,000+ sq. feet with a pool on a golf course...

...which is prone to mold, skeeters, floods and hurricanes!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 18, 2006, 08:50:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2006, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on July 17, 2006, 07:55:45 PM
the sane part of Texas.

Not sure I've ever heard this phrase. :)

Actually, there are pockets, some fairly large, of sanity in the Lone Star State. There are even some outside the San Antonio/Austin axis. E.g., there's Ralph Turner up there in Plano, Josh Bowerman and Ron Boerger in the DFW metroplex.  ;D

(On the other hand, consider what the Houston area has given the world: Tom Delay and Enron.  But if Phil relocates to this region, its sanity level will assuredly rise.  ;))
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on July 18, 2006, 07:25:31 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on July 18, 2006, 08:50:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2006, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on July 17, 2006, 07:55:45 PM
the sane part of Texas.

Not sure I've ever heard this phrase. :)

Actually, there are pockets, some fairly large, of sanity in the Lone Star State. There are even some outside the San Antonio/Austin axis. E.g., there's Ralph Turner up there in Plano, Josh Bowerman and Ron Boerger in the DFW metroplex.  ;D

(On the other hand, consider what the Houston area has given the world: Tom Delay and Enron.  But if Phil relocates to this region, its sanity level will assuredly rise.  ;))

While Phils presense will raise the sanity level it is nowhere enough to counteract my completely insane and pyschotic ex-fiance who moved back to the area about twenty years ago.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 18, 2006, 08:06:01 PM
Quote from: knightstalker on July 18, 2006, 07:25:31 PM
While Phils presense will raise the sanity level it is nowhere enough to counteract my completely insane and pyschotic ex-fiance who moved back to the area about twenty years ago.

What you say above ... I ain't gonna touch that -- not never, not no how, ever.  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on July 19, 2006, 10:02:40 AM
lets talk some preseason conference players.......
QB:?
RB:?
WR:?
TE:?
OL:?
DL:?
LB:?
DB:?


Ps..Will Kyle Manacuso be returning to del val....any info??????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on July 19, 2006, 05:18:31 PM
take er easy pat, i wasnt inreference to my school. i just feel that there are some real quality players, that maybe could be included in the list of A-A'cans, maybe not. as being apart of the MAC, i am definitely going to promote it over other conferences, and believe it or not i pay attention to other conferences as well. this is a message board, is it not? made to voice opinoins.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 19, 2006, 06:11:33 PM
Did you have names of people who should have been included, then? I'd like to hear since you were pretty strong in your opinion.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on July 19, 2006, 09:55:17 PM
Dynasty...

Seriously...do the numbers.  The chances are that 80 percent of the schools in D3 aren't represented...that number is probably even higher because some teams have multiple reps who all deserve them.

You have to get your head out of the MAC and recognize the rest of the biggest division in college football.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 19, 2006, 10:55:42 PM
Pat

There are other divisions in D3?

...Where?  I'd like to see that.... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on July 20, 2006, 12:25:51 PM
apparently i hit a sour note... lets move on
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 24, 2006, 09:02:06 AM
>>>Pat, you need to forgive certain posters who seem to think that the MAC has the next Mt. Union or St. John's or Linfield -- or a Wittenberg or a Mary Hardin-Baylor or a Hardin-Simmons or even a Texas Lutheran. Wilkes, Widener, and Delaware Valley do nice things, but they're not [yet] world-class venues. <<<     no offense warren but the last i looked this is div III football I wouldnt consider any div III venues world class....i go 3 hours to the west of me several times a year to penn st. games when i want that.... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 24, 2006, 09:15:51 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 24, 2006, 09:02:06 AM
... no offense warren but the last i looked this is div III football I wouldnt consider any div III venues world class....i go 3 hours to the west of me several times a year to penn st. games when i want that.... ;D

Not to fear. It was just a bit of hyperbole (or, as we pronounce it here in Lebanon County, "high-per-BOWL-ee" or, less frequently, "high-per-BOWL").  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 24, 2006, 12:07:05 PM
LOL.....good stuff warren! fyi dvc fans here is a link for a qb transfering into dvc from kutztown and info on some of the the other qb's that will be in camp as well as well incoming freshmen..... 
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-07172006-684751.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 24, 2006, 01:03:54 PM
Warren

In Chester county we are not allowed to use such big words...(It would be vain) ;D


Hope all is well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Foot on July 24, 2006, 03:07:08 PM
Just checked out the site for the first time in a while.  I'm not sure I understand why the All-American team has been picked already.  I see 11 season previews posted so far, so how is the selection for this team done? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2006, 03:08:22 PM
The preseason All-American team has always been picked in the preseason. We pick it off the 2005 All-Region nominations.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Foot on July 26, 2006, 09:43:17 AM
I wasn't suggesting that it should be picked sometime other than the preseason...but how can you know who the coaches are expecting to be playing for them with so few of the previews submitted?  Things come up and kids need to quit the team or leave school, seniors come back for an extra year...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 26, 2006, 10:18:01 AM
foot, preseason selections should be taken with a grain of salt basically they are meaningless they are all based off of the previous season and expectations of the upcoming season....but everyone needs to prove themselves again. kinda like the mutual fund warnings i.e. past performance is no guarantee of future results....basically a few pub's did it to sell info in what was previous down time and this forced everyone else to follow suit...you have to look at the source pat and d3 really try to do their homework and research other sources just throw names up on a wall to see what sticks....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 26, 2006, 01:20:29 PM
Quote from: Foot on July 26, 2006, 09:43:17 AM
I wasn't suggesting that it should be picked sometime other than the preseason...but how can you know who the coaches are expecting to be playing for them with so few of the previews submitted?  Things come up and kids need to quit the team or leave school, seniors come back for an extra year...

We inquire as to those things every July. Usually we get answers. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 27, 2006, 03:49:50 PM
The Eagles are at Lehigh.  Football is in the air.  The Phillies are out of the playoff picture.  All is good.  It is August soon, and the 2006 season is soon at hand.  Welcome home everyone.  We missed you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on August 01, 2006, 04:46:27 PM
Pat
I was told that Todd Fairlie recieved a red shirt year and was returning to WU. He was a member of your ALL American team last year. I  thought he might have made your preseason team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 01, 2006, 05:13:09 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on August 01, 2006, 04:46:27 PM
Pat
I was told that Todd Fairlie recieved a red shirt year and was returning to WU.

Unfortunately, we were not told the same, so it makes it hard for us to have selected him. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on August 01, 2006, 05:50:31 PM
I understand. After I posted I checked the season previews and noticed that WU had not yet submitted one. That is a shame. He is a gret kid, and a hell of a football player. He truely deserves any recognition he could have recieved.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Foot on August 02, 2006, 08:45:20 AM
todd is playing again this year....that's why i was asking about the pre-season team too
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on August 03, 2006, 11:12:30 PM
Well, hello everybody!  Looks like its that time of year and I'm chomping at the bit raring to go!!!!!!!!!!

Any comments about the MAC preseason poll??? Looks like we're going to have us some pretty good football lined up.  Wilkes is ranked #1 pulling in 7 first place votes.  DVC came in 2nd. :(

2006 MAC FOOTBALL PRESEASON POLL
1. Wilkes (7)................................................... 95
2. Delaware Valley (4).................................... 91
3. Widener...................................................... 82
4. Lycoming..................................................... 68
5. King's.......................................................... 62
6. Moravian..................................................... 49
7. Albright........................................................ 46
8. Lebanon Valley ........................................... 41
9. FDU-Florham................................................ 36
10. Susquehanna............................................. 27
11. Juniata ...................................................... 11

First-place votes in parentheses

Story Provided by MASCAC Office.

http://www.lvc.edu/mac/story2.html

GO AGGIES!!!!  We're looking for a three peat!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 04, 2006, 12:06:37 PM
gives the boyz from dvc something to work for....with that many returning starters and 2 time defending mac champs...very little respect for the coaching staff and players. the second game of the season will tell all when we roll into wilkes....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 04, 2006, 12:26:18 PM
here is link for lots of quotes from coach clements and wilkes coach as well as dvc players...it looks  like dvc players feel slighted and i am sure will use this as motivation to prove themselves again....it should be a great game that early in the season between the 2 schools returning so many starters.  it still amazes me they have not lost in the regular season since 2003.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-08042006-693339.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Foot on August 04, 2006, 04:06:46 PM
haha and so it begins...i have to say i am a bit shocked about the poll...but i have been wondering if del val is going to have the same fire without knoblauch and mangus.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 04, 2006, 09:42:35 PM
Warren....Thought you would be interested in reading what the Lager-Land sports editor wrote in today's paper about the Flying Dutchmen in particular and the rest of the MAC in general....Enjoy....Simba

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17013325&BRD=2626&PAG=461&dept_id=529073&rfi=6
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 07, 2006, 03:23:12 PM
Simba,

Great to see you on here - posting again.

We are off to the Land of the Rising Sun - I have orders to report no later than 31 October to U.S. Naval Forces, Japan.

I fought hard to avoid it since I have had to sever ties with the Alumni Board.  I shall endeavor to maintain some connection to the school and program through this format.

I read, with great interest, the article you posted.  Very interesting, and I remember the LVC game last year as being a real nail biter.  Returning lettermen are great - but ones who have had the thrill of victory are even better.  I do not know what this bodes for LVC or the rest of the MAC.  I just know that returning lettermen as a stat can be overrated and deceiving when other indicators may be more indicative and accurate as predictors.

I shall miss the games on David Person field but will return, hopefully, when my three-year tour is completed.

Captain Jack sends his best.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 07, 2006, 04:33:41 PM
lyco80 godspeed and thank you for serving in our armed forces keep reading the board for updates....hopefully my sister (lyco grad) will have another year of me poking fun at her on how dvc toppled lyco!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 08, 2006, 06:43:04 AM
Thanks for the well-wishes UB.  We may root for different D-3 teams in the MAC but when it all comes to down to it - we are all on the same team - America.

All that said - I hope your sister gets to pass you some crow at the Thanksgiving table this year anyway.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 08, 2006, 07:21:46 AM
Lyco, good in Japan.  My first class on the boat did a tour in Japan and loved it.  I have never heard a sailor truly complain about being stationed there.  Are you going to be on shore duty or attached to a ship?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 08, 2006, 06:52:29 PM
KS,

I will be on the two star admiral's staff ashore.  Orders are for 36 months so I may have some trouble following the live streaming of MAC games!

Thanks for the good wishes, after making Captain, it is all gravy from here on in, so no complaints from me.

I know plenty of guys/gals who wish they were wearing my insignia as they change permanent station.

What can I say?  I fooled them again, for the last time!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 09, 2006, 08:30:01 AM
Foot----DVC will not be the same without Mangus or Knoblauch, or Cook. The fire is there but within the players themselves. They are not only slighted by the preseason rankings but livid. Anytime you lose a coach and high profile playes there is always skepticism and doubt. DVC's Defense is left intact and also returing is Mancuso to bolster the secondary. Obviously the offense is in question as to whom will be the starter at QB.  As I understand it there are a few to choose from and whoever does his best in camp will succeed Knoblauch.

Opening day will maybe tell the story and The Wilkes game may win the hearts and minds of the doubtful.

uPBRmeASAP...It wont be long now. Heard the new field is compleded with laying the surface but the extreme hot weather has not been good for the rooting of the sod. A Loooooong outside shot that the first game or two may have to be played away??? Have you heard any of this?? Again  another rumor....what do I know from grass???  See you soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 09, 2006, 10:16:44 AM
hangtime.... i have been on vaca a lot lately so i havent heard a whole lot going on....it would make sense though playing the first couple of games away if need be....luckily i was away during the heat waves although it looks like much more moderate temps for the next 2 weeks which should really help the sod. i am starting to get that feeling of fall in the air....lots of qb's for dvc to chose from and of those i think they have some very good players to replace knoblauch.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 09, 2006, 11:50:32 AM
Clements is a joke, when he coached us he was a wimp. One of our backers got in his face and he backed down from him. It was pathetic. He is not a leader but a follower.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2006, 11:57:41 AM
I don't see any evidence of a "rschneider" in the Delaware Valley football archives.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 09, 2006, 12:00:34 PM
gee...your first post ....your obviously on here just to flame....take it elsewhere punk...otherwise stand up and tell us your name and where/when you went to school...your real tough to call out clements hiding behind the name chum slam 2...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2006, 12:02:20 PM
This is what clicking on his name is for, PBR. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 09, 2006, 12:14:26 PM
pat is there any rschneider's in widener football archieves?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 09, 2006, 12:52:44 PM
Well hello everybody, people who have been on these forums for years know that this is not my first post, my old name expired so i had to get a new one. I played at Widener, won 3 conferenece titles, won alot of games, went to the playoffs twice and was a captain. And clements coached at WU during my time there. So im not just some punk PBR, i have more football experience and achievements than you do.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 09, 2006, 12:57:52 PM
oh pls enlighten us almighty one....give us your name and years there and tell us more of your achievements.....you come on here casting stones and calling out a coach dont hide behind your handle. stand up and back up your accusations....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 09, 2006, 12:59:18 PM
Rob Schneider, played from 99 - 02. Anything else?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 09, 2006, 01:01:43 PM
How about you?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on August 09, 2006, 03:06:13 PM
Chump Slam 2.  you gotta be kidding me.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Foot on August 09, 2006, 03:12:16 PM
I only played under clements for 1 year but was leaning towards that opinion of him myself...and I heard that story also
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 09, 2006, 03:19:02 PM
Foot, when did you play? name?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 09, 2006, 04:18:03 PM
careful j.utah he has plenty of accusations to cast against you as well and will overwhelm you with his achievements...i.e. winning the nobel peace prize etc...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 09, 2006, 04:26:04 PM
I didnt come on here to brag, you asked me what gave me the right to say what i did about clements. So i told you who i was. So who are you? where did you play? name?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Foot on August 09, 2006, 04:36:42 PM
Frank Vinci...I was the kicker from 03-05
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 09, 2006, 04:37:15 PM
Frank, its Schneider! How have you been since graduation?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 09, 2006, 04:52:26 PM
Jack....Enjoy Japan and I'll communicate through your email address as before if it's still active...If not, send me your current one to my email address that's listed on our alumni page....Good luck and keep in touch....Should be an interesting season this year especially early on....When September ends, we''ll know the contenders and the pretenders!!!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 09, 2006, 07:59:29 PM
Simba,

Will do - my email will certainly change as they use a different server in Japan than navy.mil.  I think it uses the fe.navy.mil - for "far east".

Regardless, I will shoot you a tickler when I get my account - sometime around the end of October.  By then, all the pre-season chatter will have melted in the long Autumn sun and we will no longer need rankings and prognostications - we will have decisions on the field of play - as it should be.

Blessings to you and your family, my friend.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 09, 2006, 09:37:21 PM
good luck in japan lyco.

Chum, I'm gonna check you out in the WU media guide.  Hope to see ya at a game this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 09, 2006, 09:44:50 PM
Congrats to BMAN.  Proud pappa of boy # 2.  8 lbs 10 oz.  Gonna plug up the middle of the line like a can a lard.

Good luck with the new arrival
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 10, 2006, 12:16:55 AM
Congrats, Bman.

Hope the little tyke lets you sleep at least a little. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 10, 2006, 07:15:10 AM
God bless you Bman and your growing family.

Our son, born 23 June is now a whopping 14 pounds - but he did have a hefty head start arriving at 10 lbs. 10 oz.  They would make an awesome twosome anywhere in the MAC or beyond.

Sleep - I remember that - but I just cannot seem to find it lately - maybe if we start the college fund he will sleep longer than two hours?

All the Best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Foot on August 10, 2006, 08:47:27 AM
Hey Chum...are you thinking that I'm Ragan?  he graduated spring '04...He was the kicker when you were there.  I didn't get there till fall of '03.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 10, 2006, 11:09:23 AM
Oh ok, had you mixed up with someone else, disregard the email i sent you.

Ok so who is winning the conference and why?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 10, 2006, 04:30:29 PM
Foot.....you had yourself a nice career there at Widener, any plans to take it farther?? Pros, AFL???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Foot on August 10, 2006, 04:49:46 PM
Thanks, I wanted to go to AF2 this spring...I was in contact with two teams that said they needed to bring someone in but it never happened.  I also went to a combine but had a bad day.  I'll probably try again this fall/winter before I hang em up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 10, 2006, 11:05:49 PM
thanks guys....geez lyco 10 10...wow!

my first was 9 11 so we have the interior line pretty much covered....

Best to you and yours as well....

don't worry, sleep will come soon....!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 11, 2006, 06:56:39 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 10, 2006, 07:15:10 AM
God bless you Bman and your growing family.

Our son, born 23 June is now a whopping 14 pounds - but he did have a hefty head start arriving at 10 lbs. 10 oz.  They would make an awesome twosome anywhere in the MAC or beyond.

Sleep - I remember that - but I just cannot seem to find it lately - maybe if we start the college fund he will sleep longer than two hours?

All the Best

You mean all newborns don't sleep through the night once you bring them home from the hospital like ours did?  Good luck Bman.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on August 11, 2006, 11:06:45 AM
Once again Chum Slam has graced us all with his class. Last season I vowed not to respond to anything you posted. However, calling out Coach Clements is way out of line. For those of you who want some info on R. Schnieder, here we go. He was a member of the WU program for 4 years. During the Jones/ Coleman era. He did not start for all of them.  He was a center, and not that good of one. He was never a captian and if you speak to many members of his team, they will tell you he started simply by default. Rob, it is time to stop living in the past. Your career is over. Move on. Stop playing Bruce's Glory Day's track and posting about this so called wonderful career you had.

As for the situation with Coach Clement, the LB in question showed up at his house to question him about playing time. Clements tried to talk to him but he began to get out of control. Clements told him to leave. The player was later thrown off the team. Clements did exactly what a coach should do in this situation. He acted properly with class and dealt with it internally. What do you think he should have done Rob fight a player ?

Hope this clears up any questions that some of you may have had in regards to Chum Slam and Coach Clements. I will now once again vow to never respond to his comments again because of the lack of class he shows. Once again you have been an embarassment to all WU alumni.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 11, 2006, 11:26:09 AM
And who might you be WUDLINE?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 11, 2006, 11:27:13 AM
And the Plaque on my wall at home says captain on it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 11, 2006, 12:24:42 PM
thanks Knight!

we'll see if this one is a sleeper....

If you see me posting at 4:10am  ...you'll know!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 11, 2006, 12:27:55 PM
WUDLINE.....Thanks for clearing up that post by Chum Slam. The way he relayed it, it sounded like all dicipline had broken down. Allegedly calling out a coach at his residence is a bit over the top.  Some guys just cant let it go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 11, 2006, 12:31:12 PM
Foot....can u forward any information or contacts and combine regarding taking the career farther. Use my email address if you will.  Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on August 11, 2006, 09:41:18 PM
Hangtime
No problem. I also checked the WU archives and Chum Slam was not a captain. He must be confused about this fact. WU has a tradition of naming all seniors, game captians for their last game. However, as everyone knows, this greatly differs from being a true team captain. The WU captains are listed on the football page and Rob's name is not there. I am not sure who put captian on his plaque, but they must have been mistaken.

If you speak to any WU alum we are all pleased that Coach Clements has been given his chance at DVC. He has always been a hard working and straight forward person. He demanded alot out of himself as a player, and demands as much out of his players as a coach. He truely deserved this chance. I hope he goes 9-1. With his only loss coming to the Pioneers of course.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 11, 2006, 11:37:55 PM
WULINE...Sorry but I do not know any WU alum but wish Widener just the same season with THEIR only loss to DVC.  In 2003 we interviewed with coach Clements and almost attended WU but my son was impressed with G.A. Mangus, so there he went.

All the best to you and will look for your posts and lets enjoy this new season.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 11, 2006, 11:43:56 PM
uPBRmeASAP...I want to know your secret regarding the Karma thing. Last time I saw you were in the minus and now you are at +9....seems you have curbed your thoughts??? or just playing the nice guy this year?...Or have you turned in your minus Karma at the start of a new year, like carrying over vacation days?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 12, 2006, 01:29:10 AM
Hangtime:

No, UPR has just been spending more time on the Liberty League message board.  It's an interesting, shall we say, community where the karma, jokes and pop culture references flow like water.  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on August 12, 2006, 08:07:45 PM
LYCO, Good luck man!

as for everyone, new season has finally sprung, best of luck to all teams! now its a few short week until the first of the games!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 14, 2006, 07:29:30 AM
LOL...yes gordon LL is a place where you can get answers to those questions you have been pondering all your life....hangtime it took awhile but pbr is out of the basement re: karma  (pat had a vendetta against me... ;)  just kidding pat )  thank you wudline for clearing everything up re: c.s. i forgot most people here totally ignored him by the end of last season since he did nothing but flame everyone and everything on this board. I have talked to numerous people from wu from alumni to previous players and they all could not be happier for coach clements and had nothing but great things to say about him. obviously c.s. has a axe to grind with him and cant let go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 14, 2006, 10:58:15 AM
Went to the WU website as well.  Chum played and lettered, but was not a captain.  You would think an honor as big as that would have been remembered correctly.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Coach C on August 14, 2006, 01:18:18 PM
What's the problem Rob?  Coach Clemens take you down a few pegs back in your glory days?

Clemens is a classy guy who works his butt off.  He will do a real good job at DVC.

C
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 14, 2006, 01:37:05 PM
Hey Bman,

How is your new Nose Tackle doing?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 15, 2006, 06:38:01 AM
FormerWU

Thx for asking...

We have yellow baby....!

That required a revisit back to the hospital, so he can bake under the Uviolet rays...

You always know something might be a little serious when you have an interaction like this:

Bman  What did his BR (Bilirubin) number go to?
Nurse 26.2
Bman  What is bad?
Nurse That number was impressive
Bman  Well what is bad?
Nurse That number was impressive
Bman  Ok, what do you normally admit at
Nurse 14
Bman What is the highest you've seen
Nurse  Your son
Bman  ...****

But all is well...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 15, 2006, 06:40:20 AM
ALso

Hey WU guys...
please take those arguments off the board...use the private messages if you want to call someone out....
it isn't right.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 15, 2006, 09:05:12 AM
Quote from: bman on August 15, 2006, 06:38:01 AM
FormerWU

Thx for asking...

We have yellow baby....!

That required a revisit back to the hospital, so he can bake under the Uviolet rays...

You always know something might be a little serious when you have an interaction like this:

Bman  What did his BR (Bilirubin) number go to?
Nurse 26.2
Bman  What is bad?
Nurse That number was impressive
Bman  Well what is bad?
Nurse That number was impressive
Bman  Ok, what do you normally admit at
Nurse 14
Bman What is the highest you've seen
Nurse  Your son
Bman  ...****

But all is well...

Good to hear all is well, the kid is shaping up nicely, nose tackle and beach bum, basking under the UV rays.

Don't you just love people that like to try to beat around the bush?

Look at it this way, the kid is a record breaker already.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 15, 2006, 09:41:44 AM
Bman,

It can never be easy for you.  Sorry to hear of the problem.

Regarding calling someone out on boards, I didn't think I was doing that.  Just stating what I found out.  I'm not one to stir it up....unless it's with someone from Lyco.  LOL
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 15, 2006, 09:43:08 AM
Bman

I read your post again.  I understand what you mean.  Please disregard...except the Lyco thing.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on August 15, 2006, 11:34:25 PM
i know not many ppl are happy about wilkes being picked over deleware valley and it will be "the game" for the mac, good luck to both... but what other games should be interesting? anyone looking forward to any specific games?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 16, 2006, 07:29:53 AM
i for one think the traditional power game of lyco/widener is always good i am interested to see if lyco can turn it around or will their fall continue as well as leb. valley might surprise some teams as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 16, 2006, 08:10:01 AM
So WUDLINE and PBR, Who are you? I stopped hiding behind my name on here and I think you should too.

If you are going to make claims about me atleast let me know who you are.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on August 16, 2006, 11:04:23 PM
yes, lyco/widener is a good match up... im also looking forward to seeing how kings rebounds with the loss of many key players, and lebanon valley has a good duo qb/wr... weather the teams are good or not... gotta love football... september 16 is the date im looking forward to tho...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 17, 2006, 08:56:18 AM
hmmmm...could that be the day dvc takes on wilkes? (too early to start talking smack  yet.... ;) )
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 17, 2006, 10:06:20 AM
Ok i guess PBR and WUDLINE won't tell me who they are. Atleast i had the stones to tell you guys who i was.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 17, 2006, 11:32:37 AM
I don't think it takes balls to make posts on boards.  Its all in fun.  Why take things to heart.  Calling people out is not the intention.  You can be an All-American or a waterboy, you still can have and make an oppinion.

Chum, I believe the negative responses you receive are due to the insane comments you sometimes make.  Teams and players change year to year.  Change is the only thing that is constant.  If your team is up, enjoy it.  If not, do whatever.  But expect to be hassled if you throw the first stone.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 17, 2006, 11:35:13 AM
Chum no one will answer you because you have nothing of value to add to this board.

Today is the first day of Coach Clements tenure. Some positive changes have already been seen in his organizational approach. Should be another big year for the Aggies and can't wait to see the team on the field!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 17, 2006, 12:21:29 PM
chum the above posters couldnt have stated it any better....no one cares what you have to say since all you do is come on here to flame any and everyone from coaches/players/posters....it took a number of us some time to remember but we all realized you were the same guy who did nothing flame the entire board last year...hence why most people just ignore your posts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on August 17, 2006, 04:21:03 PM
I could not agree with all of you more. I am not responding to Chum Slam because as I stated earlier I will not acknowledge anything he post on this site do the nature of his post. Furthermore I also want to state that I would not have mentioned any facts about his past if he would not have attacked coach Clements. Enough on this topic. Lets talk some football. Should be another great year for the MAC. With two teams already ranked and some other very talanted  football teams in the conf. We will all find out if Wilkes is the real deal right away. They have WU in week 2 and DVC in week 3.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 17, 2006, 04:24:47 PM
how is wu's returning starters this year? were many lost to graduation? they are a team that always makes me nervous (probably comes from years of getting our skulls pounded in by them....)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on August 17, 2006, 07:37:18 PM
wilkes lost 2 starters... one defensive end and the other being the center... and yes sep. 16 is the date del val travels to wilkes... and the last time deleware valley traveled to wilkes was their last regular season loss... their next loss is scheduled for the 16th at the same place... (not putting del val down b/c they are very good... but i gotta speak for my team) no hard feelings ha... gotta love football... but widener will help to see if wilkes is as good as some ppl think... then...  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 17, 2006, 09:04:34 PM
<Promotional post alert!>

Widener returns most of their offense except for the QB (Lomas) who graduates. The defense brings back Todd Fairle, some of their line and a solid group of linebackers.

I've had a chance to speak with every coach in the MAC except one so far for our "Kickoff Special" (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/) which you can order off the front page.

A few other tidbits to whet your appetite...

- Coach Girardi sounds very energized by the group of recruits who arrived in Williamsport on Wednesday.  With their run of close wins to finish 2006, some of the Lycoming mystique and confidence is back.  How far will it take them?

- The Aggies concentrated recruiting efforts on QB (which they need now) and LB (which they will next year after graduation).  But they have some fresh talent at other positions, too.  What new names may emerge for Del Val?

- Moravian has an impressive transfer coming in at OL.  While I hesitate to throw that description with the proliferation of message board rumors and disguised self-promotion, this kid is legit enough to be an All Conference honoree in D2.  Who else has transfers or freshmen worth watching?

I could tell you more, but then why would you order the Kickoff?  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 18, 2006, 09:08:12 AM
Ok WUDLINE make excuses as to why you wont tell me who you are. Probably a 3rd team noseguard.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 'gro on August 18, 2006, 09:12:28 AM
Quote from: Chum Slam 2 on August 18, 2006, 09:08:12 AM
Ok WUDLINE make excuses as to why you wont tell me who you are. Probably a 3rd team noseguard.

this is why I don't read this board often... Boooooring.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 18, 2006, 09:21:38 AM
Listen everybody, i want to talk football too, i just wanted to express my feelings and the feelings of other regarding coach clements. And for people to attack me personally and hide behind their screen names on here is ridiculous especially after i told them who i was.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 18, 2006, 10:22:17 AM
What will finding out their real names accomplish?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chum Slam 2 on August 18, 2006, 10:25:56 AM
It will give me a better understanding as to why they are saying ridiculous things. And i was polite enough to tell them who i was.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 18, 2006, 11:18:27 AM
If that will make you happy
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 21, 2006, 11:00:37 PM
uPBRmeASAP....are you going to the scrimmage Saturday?  We will be tailgating but dont know where but look for us and please come over.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 22, 2006, 07:45:02 AM
hangtime not sure yet what time are you getting there? i havent even checked the schedule yet what time is it starting? (i have been crushed gutting our old kitchen and putting in new cabinets and hardwood floors etc....)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 22, 2006, 08:38:46 AM
Scrimmage is at 10:30 @ Ursinus
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 22, 2006, 09:19:18 AM
thx ftr....you going?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 22, 2006, 12:54:05 PM
Yep! Go AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 23, 2006, 07:29:26 AM
uPBRmeASAP, Fear The Ram,  I have been told that the scrimmage has been bumped up to 10:AM....Will confirm this.

We should be there by 8 or 8:30 on Saturday....hope to see you there.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 23, 2006, 08:59:30 AM
Don't beat up on those Ursinus Bears to much this Sat.

The good thing about playing Ursinus is if they start winning games, the administration will fire the coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 23, 2006, 12:06:08 PM
former...you speak the truth on that one!!! LOL...dvc will go easy on them dont need any bad injuries leading up to the wilkes game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theshade on August 23, 2006, 08:09:49 PM
I'd like to see a whoopin put on them bears and every team that steps on the field with the AGGIES. They should come out all fired up after being dissed by the MAC coaches poll.. just don't forget the first game is with FDU. who won their last 3 or 4 games last year.  crush everyone look past no one the rest will take carer of itself 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 23, 2006, 09:10:14 PM
Hello Posters,
Hope this post finds everyone in good health and spirits.  I had the opportunity to catch the tail end of an LVC practice the other day.  My advice to their opponents, BEWARE!  Unless injuries prevail or they go brain dead, the Dutchmen will be in the top half of the standings this season.  No, they are not a DVC or Wilkes caliber team, but be assured they will competitive.  This is gonna be a fun and interesting season, much parity exists between the teams in the MAC.  Wishing all the teams a fun and injury free season.  Go Dutchmen and Go Warriors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 24, 2006, 07:44:32 AM
MOJO "parity" and competitiveness are two different things. I don't believe there is parity, however, more competitive games will be more exciting and hopefully prepare the MAC Champ (DVC of course) for the post season and a win against Rowan. The AGGIES I'm sure will be ready for FDU and everyone else on their schedule. Did hear that the Jaworski kid left camp already though...looks like the QB field has been narrowed to two real competitors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 24, 2006, 09:13:04 AM
I find it so strange to look at the MAC boards and not see the names of Lyco and Widener at the top of the pre-season talk.  Now all I see are DVC, Kings, and now beyond all belief the Flying Dutchman of LVC.  My how things have changed.

Warren are you out there?

Hey LVC, I am taking the family to Dutch country to visit the Wonderland.  Any suggestions for the 2nd day?  I may stop at the water park on 30, but it looks a little cheesy.  We did Strassburg the last time we were there.  Thats only good for about 2 hours.  Any feedback or help would be appreciated?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 24, 2006, 09:29:49 AM
Quote from: formerwu on August 24, 2006, 09:13:04 AM
I find it so strange to look at the MAC boards and not see the names of Lyco and Widener at the top of the pre-season talk.  Now all I see are DVC, Kings, and now beyond all belief the Flying Dutchman of LVC.  My how things have changed.

Warren are you out there?

Hey LVC, I am taking the family to Dutch country to visit the Wonderland.  Any suggestions for the 2nd day?  I may stop at the water park on 30, but it looks a little cheesy.  We did Strassburg the last time we were there.  Thats only good for about 2 hours.  Any feedback or help would be appreciated?

Also in Strasburg: the state railroad museum and the National Toy Train Museum.
The latter is interactive ... push buttons and the trains move, etc.

Landisville, near Lancaster, has a farm museum (and, I think, a petting zoo).

Then there's HersheyPark.

(How old are your kids?)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 24, 2006, 09:43:59 AM
8 and 6.  We did Strasburg and the train museum 2 yrs ago.  I feel it is good visit every 15 or 20 years or so.  I'm not much of a train guy.

We are going to DW tomorrow and should stay the whole day.  We are going to eat at Good n Plenty.  For Sat night dinner I saw a microbrewery in Mt. Joy that looks interesting (Bube's Brewery).  Ever hear of it.

The wife is gonna hit the outlets at Rockvale and Tangiers as well.

Hershey Park is great.  But 2 parks in 2 days may seem to much. 

Let me know if your BBQing Sat night. ;-) 

I may stop by and see BMAN on the drive home Sunday.  He said he'd have a beer waiting.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 24, 2006, 09:51:09 AM
Check out the Lancaster Brewing Company:

http://www.lancasterbrewing.com

It's closer than driving to Mt. Joy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 24, 2006, 09:54:49 AM
Thanks Warren,

I'll let you know how my trip to corn country goes.  Can't wait to party with Jacob and Ezekial.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 24, 2006, 10:25:46 AM
formerwu just make sure to bring your sickle since its getting near harvest time and the straw and wheat fields will need to be taken down....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 24, 2006, 10:38:16 AM
there's a barn to be built way out yonder
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 24, 2006, 03:06:08 PM
Posters,
I concur there is a difference between parity and competitiveness.  With that being said, I  firmly believe that the top 5 teams in the MAC this year can beat any of their competition depending on the will of the football Gods.  Yes, without a doubt, on paper Wilkes and DVC are the cream of the crop in the MAC.  With that being said, catch DVC or Wilkes on a down week or have them incur some injuries to key personnel, and all bets are off.  My comments concerning LVC are based strictly on visual observation.  The kids appear to be bigger, faster, and stronger as a team, than in years past.  This is not to say that there have not been kids that played at the Valley that could not have started and starred at their respective positions at some of the historic powerhouse MAC teams.  In short, the season is not gonna be over until it's over.  Don't be surprised if DVC or Wilkes get's upset along the way by someone besides each other.  Well, here's to a great season for all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 24, 2006, 08:32:59 PM
Up you are correct--the scrimmage is at 10
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: patcummings on August 24, 2006, 09:22:13 PM
So who has the lead for the DVC QB job since the main newbie that was being discussed was Jaworski?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 24, 2006, 10:18:57 PM
I don't have any additional insight on that other that I saw a little of practice on Sunday and was impressed by the kid wearing No. 8.  If that's his roster number, it's Mike Isgro, the freshman from Absegami, NJ.  He's tiny but looked pretty good.

That being said, lots of quarterbacks were taking snaps including last year's back-up Hasenauer.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 25, 2006, 01:36:45 AM
uPBRmeASAP   Gordon

With 11 QB's in camp the job is still up for grabs. In my opinion, starting a freshman would be a mistake, although you have hime for 4 years. The Aggies are loaded and poised for yet another run at the MAC title, and the QB decision is crucil. Gordon, you mentioned the one QB you saw and described him as "Tiny". This in my opinion would mean a lot of roll out play calling as tiny dosent get it with the size of the horses up front.  The Aggies need a QB who be a leader and and command such and I dont think a freshman is in order, especially when maybe 1 or 2 games may mean winning the MAC title or losing it.  I am also sure all who are involved with the decision are doing their very best and at the same time losing sleep.  Well we will wait and see what takes place on Saturday when Del Val goes to Ursinus.  we may all be surprised.

uPBRme ASAP...are you going???


GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 25, 2006, 08:18:00 AM
hangtime, i am not sure yet, i will be a late arrival if/when i come....my weekend is full of events etc....but i will try to swing thru for to catch at least some action at some point....i know one thing there is a long list of qb's at dvc they have lots of depth and people that can play qb.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 25, 2006, 12:22:27 PM
Posters,
11 QB's in camp.  Wow, that's more QB's than most D1 programs have in camp.  Were all these kids recruited to come in to get a shot at the position.  That's a horrible situation to be in if your a QB in that system.  How many reps can you possibly get to show your stuff in a system with so many competitiors.  Can understand why the Jaworski kid would punt if he wasn't the top runner for the position, if he wants to play.  Also, what is the likelyhood that a D3 school could bring in 11 quality quarterbacks?  I hope I'm not offending anyone here, but I'm somewhat amazed with that number, in any program.  Commentary please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 25, 2006, 12:41:46 PM
mojo, the cream rises to the top....if your afraid of competing stay home. a number of kids will have chances to switch to other positions if they are stuck on the bottom of the depth chart per coach clements. no matter what program you go into you going to have to compete with a number of players albeit 11 is high granted. but coach mangus left a great legacy here and alot of qb's want to come to a system where they will throw the ball and air it out. they know they will get that chance here at dvc and not just hand the ball off for 3 yds and a cloud of dust. they also had kids transfer in that werent per se recruited out of h.s. but its a beautiful thing if your the coach you can never have too much talent
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on August 25, 2006, 02:12:18 PM
uPBRmeASAP & MOJO:

I kind of agree with both of you.  Anyone who is afraid to compete isn't going to help the program anyway.

Conversely, with 11 QBs in camp, just how many reps will each get?  How fair of a chance will each kid get to show his skills?  Next question is ... does the kid want to move to another position?  A lot of QBs play that position from 8 years old up ... and have no interest in another position.  What do you do with those kids .... cut them or have 9 or 10 back-ups?

If a kid commits to a program that has 10 others competing for the same position, a 1 in 11 shot doesn't offer the best odds.  Also, were those kids told before committing that there were 10 other QBs coming to camp?  If not, that's really unfair to the kids. 

The worst situation is finishing a close 2nd to the starter.  How many excellent players have transferred because they were 2nd behind a great player.  Nobody will ever get a chance to assess your value if you're sitting on the bench no matter how good you are.  Tough situation for the coaches as well as the 11 kids.

Just out of curiosity, why did the Jaworski kid leave and where did he go?  He seemed to have decent credentials.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 25, 2006, 06:20:18 PM
Upbrmeasap,
No one stated they were afraid of competing or that competion is not healthy.  That was not my point or what I stated.  11 QBS IN CAMP IS TO MANY!  IN ANY PROGRAM!   If you were a QB or had a kid that was a QB it would be hard for you not to concur with my thinking.  No matter how you try to present the 11 QB situation, it's not pretty and is not an ideal situation.  RU"s evaluation of the situation was right on the money.  If you still disagree, then we agree to disagree.  I am confident that most individuals that have more competence in this area than you or I, would agree with my viewpoint.  Posters, commentary please. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 25, 2006, 09:07:21 PM
huh... ??? so the coaches are supposed to say no to kids if they want to attend your program and the coaches think they can contribute??? this is the coaches fault for bringing in an abundance of qb's? where you in the living room with the parents and the student when the coaches where there do you  know what was said? how do u know the coaches  havent told them if you feel your falling down the depth chart your more than welcome to move to another position? i know for a fact a number of qb's who were told that on this team. This is common place at most college football programs. dline move to oline and wr move to db's or look at mike robinson at psu he played every position before settling on qb last season. If you bring in athletes they can play a number of positions which in high school these kids did.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 25, 2006, 09:35:23 PM
Upbrmeasap,
I was not in the living room of recruits at the time they were being swooned to play QB for DVC.  But I suspect you were also not there!  11 QB's is too many!  Limited Reps and limited opportunity.  Read what RU previously wrote and you might understand why I'm making this statement.  Please be apprised that 11 QB's in camp is not a common practice at any level.  Yes, even the coaching staff of DVC and/or GA are capable of making a bad decision.  Like all of us, they are human.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 25, 2006, 09:54:14 PM
first off do you think it just may be possible that the recruits discussed w/ the coaching staff this scenario if they were at the bottom of the depth chart and all they wanted was a chance to compete. If push came to shove they would consider moving to another position if it meant they could play rather than sit. How do you know these 11 guys are all taking snaps and havent switched already to playing rb, wr, db ??? And there is only 3-4 qbs taking the majority of the snaps? maybe 5 at most? I surmise you dont...Sorry my football knowledge isnt as great as yours so pls try to be patient and hang with us feeble ones and the players and coaches of dvc we all cant be as great in our wealth of football knowledge as yourself. ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 25, 2006, 10:01:48 PM
btw, hangtime i will try and keep an eye out and catch up with you tomorrow. i am still not a definite yet so i may be a late arrival and squeak in and if so i will keep an eye out for you up in the stands...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 25, 2006, 10:07:43 PM
uPBRmeASAP

Where the QB is going...he will not see the field this year and next year is another maybe
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 25, 2006, 10:22:03 PM
hangtime i had heard what your referring to thanks for confirming it....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 26, 2006, 08:27:30 AM
Upbrmeasap,
Gosh, your taking this discussion concerning QB's personal.  Like you, I would not consider myself an "EXPERT" concerning football, although I am knowledgeable about the game as I suspect you are.  I asked for input from other posters, concerning this subject.  Remember my friend, you were the one that stated DVC has 11 QB's in camp.  If you read the preseason profile listed on this site, it is stated they have 11 QB's on their Roster.  You can attempt to justify it any way you want, it's too many and it's not fair to the kids playin that position, if they are legitamate contenders.  I seriously doubt, that all 11 of these kids are quality QB's, and if that's the reality of the situation, why take snaps away from the real contenders.  PLEASE, WOULD SOME OTHER POSTERS ENTER THE DISCUSSION AND PUT SOME LIGHT TO THIS SUBJECT!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 26, 2006, 10:37:33 AM
mojo, i give up i obviously am not on the same wave length w/ u and feel as i am stuck in groundhog day....i.e. endless for loop {i > 0 ...... i++}
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 26, 2006, 11:57:04 AM
Upbrmeasap,
Hey, your a good sport.  Although we obviously disagree, I respect you for sticking to your convictions.  Best of luck to your Aggies.  Go Dutchmen and Warriors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 26, 2006, 12:08:10 PM
Mojo, UPR:

My two cents on the Del Val QB situation which I've been following from a far...

- Pat Coleman and I had similar reactions to the press release that showed 11 QBs on the roster.  The actual competition in camp will probably come down to a lot fewer guys.  But you don't want to tell a HS student (or his parents) coming in that he has no shot.  That doesn't mean you give him false hopes either.  Besides, you never know what you're gonna find until you get these kids on campus.

- UPR is right about a lot of kids coming to camp at one position and being moved.  I'm reminded of an article I read earlier this year on a high school quarterback going to one of the California D3 schools.  The writer asked the coach what position the incoming freshmen would play.  The coach's response was, "Athlete."  If coaches have an athletic kid, they'll find a position for him, even if it's not QB.

- I'm not a head coach -- far from it -- but if there's one position I'd want some certainty at, it's Quarterback.  I can't think of another position in sports (maybe goalie in hockey) where one guy can impact so much of your team's ability to succeed.  I'll take a sure thing at QB every day over two or three talented guys whom I have to platoon for whatever reason.  That's ultimately why I picked Wilkes to win the conference over Del Val.

- I saw a slew of guys working out last Sunday at QB for Del Val.  I don't think it was 11, though.  And I'm pretty confident Coach Clements and OC Greco have a much smaller list of guys in mind for the starting job.  This observation is already dated since Del Val is into their scrimmage with Ursinus and has obviously put someone(s) out there with the starting offense.

Good to have some real football talk and looking forward to next weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2006, 08:23:14 PM
Extra quarterbacks get moved to other positions at D-III schools all the time. You'd be surprised -- it's probably happened at your own school many times. They become running backs, wide receivers, defensive backs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 26, 2006, 10:26:47 PM
Pat, changing QB's to other positions happens all the time in the college ranks for two reasons:  1.  They are usually intelligent and   2.  They are usually good athletes.  With this being said, this USUALLY happens before the kid is brought into camp.  As a matter of fact, this subject is normally addressed during the recruiting process.  To come into camp with 11 QB's is ridiculous, if the intent is that each kid is gonna get a real shot to compete.  With that many kids gettin a look, the amount of snaps each would get would be greatly diminished.  Hence the opportunity each would get to show their stuff would be reduced.  The other point I was tryin to make is even a school with the success DVC has had of recent vintage, the likelyhood that they could attract 11 quality QB's, that could potentially be a starter at the college level is highly unlikely.  By the way, I haven't seen any feedback concerning the DVC / Ursinus scrimmage.  How did the Aggies look and what was the QB situation?  Have they found their man?   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 26, 2006, 10:36:48 PM
As I'm sure many of you know already, Del Val's game vs. FDU has been changed from Del Val to FDU's field...
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like FDU's lights will actually be installed before this season is over...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2006, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: MOJO on August 26, 2006, 10:26:47 PM
Pat, changing QB's to other positions happens all the time in the college ranks for two reasons:  1.  They are usually intelligent and   2.  They are usually good athletes.  With this being said, this USUALLY happens before the kid is brought into camp.  As a matter of fact, this subject is normally addressed during the recruiting process. 

It may also happen before camp and during the recruiting process, however, it ALSO happens ALL THE TIME during camp, even after a kid's freshman or sophomore seasons.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 27, 2006, 04:16:17 PM
Pat,
I concur! The point that I have been trying to make is 11 QB'S, (I'm not taking about kids that were QB's that have been moved to other positions), in any system is too many.  You bring in 11 kids and tell them your gonna give them a shot at the QB position, all 11 are being shortchanged.  The kids are never gonna get the reps they need for a fair opportunity.  Too many kids, not enough reps.  Pat, when was the last time you saw any school bring in this number of QB's and had them listed as QB's at the start of camp?  I'm not aware of this type occurance at any other school past or present.  Now the second part of my inquiry, which I'm getting no input on, was how did the Aggies look in their scrimmage yesterday and did they find their QB?  If they did, who is he and what can you share about this kid?       
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 27, 2006, 04:20:07 PM
PS:  I've heard through a reliable source that Wilkes is looking great.  I'd like to hear feedback concerning that team also from posters.  Go Dutchmen and Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2006, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: MOJO on August 27, 2006, 04:16:17 PM
Pat,
I concur! The point that I have been trying to make is 11 QB'S, (I'm not taking about kids that were QB's that have been moved to other positions), in any system is too many. 

That's fine -- I understand that this is your point. I don't believe any of that contradicts my point.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 27, 2006, 06:52:39 PM
Unusually quiet from the DVC posters.  Did DVC look as good as everyone thought they would in their scrimmage?  Did they find their QB?  If yes, who is it and can anyone share any specifics about the kid (class/ recruitee or transfer/ high school he came from/ etc?  Also, any feedback from the Wilkes camp?  I heard they really look good (big/ fast/ strong/ and hungry).  I think it's gonna be a fun season.  Let's hope all the kids stay healthy.  Go Dutchmen and Go Warriors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on August 27, 2006, 10:21:49 PM
yes... wilkes is looking great... solid at every position... looking forward to a MAC championship  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on August 27, 2006, 11:20:23 PM
Yes, Wilkes looked good against the Mules on Thursday but there are things to work on for week 1.

Wilkes, like all teams, has seaonal goals, but I hope they are focusing on one thing.. and that is winning their opener, then they can worry about week 2 etc.

:)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 28, 2006, 01:33:22 PM
The jury is still out on the Aggies QB situation. While that may seem a bad situation to some, it's to be expected. You don't easily replace a #9. However, the O has some very good looking backs in the returner Sheffield and a frosh who will add some outside speed for the Aggies. The D looks better than last year, if you can believe that. Having Mancuso back really strengthens an already outstanding group of DB's. The LB's are looking faster and just as strong as last year and of course the D-line with Silver presents a lot of difficulty for opposing O lines.

All and all this is still a great team and will be tough to put points on the board against.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 28, 2006, 05:15:36 PM
Saturday was an enlightening experience watching DVC scrimmage Ursinus. The Aggie "D" hasnt lost a step and like Faer The Ram posted, they may even be better than last year.  On the other hand the "O" line appeared to be a bit confused at times with a lot of holes.  As for the QB situation I still am not sure it there is a go to guy yet but I am sure it will be figured out soon.

uPBRmeASAP...missed  you at tailgate, you missed a good breakfast!!!  Also saw the new field and it looks great.  I am sure there is a reason why they have changed the 1st game to FDU, Madison but thought the field would be ready...Artificial turf was my thought but what do I know??


GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 28, 2006, 07:26:31 PM
Wow,
Offensively does not sound like the DVC O's of recent vintage.  I say this for a team that most in the MAC speculate is gonna threepeat.  Will be interesting what they will put together offensively before the first game.  Keep in mind Ursinus is not rated very high in the Cent. Conference.  Those picking Wilkes as the conf. champ might be on to something.  Well in short, that's why they play the games!  Good luck to all.  Go Dutchmen and Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 28, 2006, 07:48:25 PM
did someone expect this to be the same O? Of course it won't be the same. You lose a QB like Knobloch and you just don't fill those shoes in one year. The fact is the O has to be efficient and keep the turnovers to a minimum. This defense was tough to score on last year and if you can't put it in the endzone you can't beat the Aggies.

But if all the MAC teams want to think the Aggies reign is done, let them. DVC doesn't mind being the underdog. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on August 28, 2006, 09:21:50 PM
deleware valley has been a tough, tough team the last 3 years... however, the thing they are searching for, wilkes already has, the qb is the biggest reason i would choose wilkes over del val... not saying that who they have now won't be good... its just the experience... and the defense, deleware valley has a solid defense, a great lineman and great dbacks and im sure there are other good players in the mix, but then again... check out wilkes'.... best linebacker in the conference, and a pre-season all american, who is a junior, and the other 10 starters are seniors, once again... the experience... no matter what the papers say, it will be a great game and whoever wins is likely on their way to the mac title... best of luck to both... anyone agree or disagree?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 29, 2006, 07:33:48 AM
>>>10 starters are seniors, once again... the experience<<<    by your analysis then dvc with 18 returning starters dvc should win everything based on their experience.  ;D   fyi dvc also has a junior lb who is pretty good ...enough that d3football.com has him second team preseason all american. oh and dont forget the dvc wr marshall who d3football.com has second team preseason all american as well. imho the only question mark dvc has is at qb. their rb's replacing cook are very good. they had added some outside speed as well. as i and other people have stated we believe the main thing we need this year is the qb not to lose the game for us. our defense and kicking game will be strong. As will our running game we just need our qb to get game experience and not turn the ball over.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 29, 2006, 08:46:05 AM
Anybody know if Widener is scrimmaging U of Penn this Friday?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 29, 2006, 09:01:48 AM
Hey, UP they're right, without a QB those 18 returners mean nothing. Who cares that they all have to score against our improved D, which was pretty damn tough last year, we might as well just hand them (Wilkes) the MAC. As I recall it wasn't our O that won the game against them last year, anyway. So I guess it will come down to who's D is better overall.

Getting the ball in #87 & #21's hands can be done in a variety of ways, as witnessed in the scrimmage against UC. As you stated running back is still a major strength of this team and as long as whomever is the new QB, doesn't throw the pick, we'll be able to control the ball and score enough to win as we have in the past.

So let the games begin! :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 29, 2006, 10:04:33 AM
just remember its was a scrimmage....we are all used to seeing #9 in there the last 4 years and it being a well oiled machine and how easy he made things look. i have plenty o' confidence in coaches greko and clements they will have the team more than ready when the real season begins.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 29, 2006, 01:17:33 PM
My visit to Lancaster

Family had a great time.  We hit Lancaster Brewing for dinner.  Food was good, but had problem with the service and trouble in the kitchen.  Wound up getting the food and drinks comp'd.  I wanted to pay but they insisted.  Food tasted a lot better after that. 

Strassburg Railroad was good.  While out and about I saw an amish kid whizzing on the side of his house.  Before that he told me it would be $10 for a picture.  I wonder how much he'd charge for a picture of him wizzing.

Great miniature golf course just west of Strassburg. 

Summer is close to being over.  I hope to be at the opening day game of WU vs Wilkes. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 29, 2006, 01:46:51 PM
going to be a great couple of first weeks....wilkes/widener then wilkes/dvc then widener/lyco and dvc/lyco alot of the heavyweights are squaring off right out of the chute should be a great season
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 29, 2006, 05:29:37 PM
WU

He must have been a Mennonite...The Amish believe it is a sin to have their picture taken, and won't allow it...at least out my way....however they whip it out and go, wherever is convienient ...even out here...

I'll have to check out that mini golf site...that should only be about 15 mins from my house....

I hope to make the WU Wilkes game...it would be a nice way to start the year (football year) off.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 29, 2006, 05:35:07 PM
Up--that was sarcasm. I agree that there is nothing to worry about with this team. The offense will be efficient and I have great confidence in the coaching staff as well. I was merely mocking the Wilkes poster who thinks it will be a walk in the park to play DVC without GA or #9. :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 29, 2006, 07:13:30 PM
I watched the movie Invincible last night, and I noticed that the training camp for the Eagles was held at Widener. (When it flashed on the bottom of the screen, I actually burst out with "hey that's a DIII school!!!" which was embarassing and funny on so many levels since, obviously, no one else in the theatre cared!  :D :-[ ;D).

Does anyone know what years the Eagles held their training camp there?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 29, 2006, 08:04:03 PM
Posters,
One of those 11 guys (DVC  QB's) is gonna be good.  Count on it! Once DVC separates the wheat from the chaf, and the kid whom is chosen gets some reps, watch those Aggies ching ching. I'm not saying that DVC  beats Wilkes, but I am saying it's gonna be a great game, whoever wins.  Personally, based on speculation only, I think some of the issues evolving to date with the DVC O, potentially goes back to the 11 QB's in camp.  If anyone is critical of this assessment, I will be glad to elaborate, however, I'm not gonna beat a dead horse unless criticism dictates otherwise.  Watch out for those Dutchmen and keep a particular keen eye on the Warriors.  Lyco has alot of pride and winning traditions, I would not count them out just yet!  Go Dutchmen and Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 29, 2006, 08:59:55 PM
Former Wu:

Widener will scrimmage Penn this Friday.  I'm not sure what the time and location is, but Wood told me that was on the preseason agenda.


DHF:

Per Widener's website...

"The groundbreaking ceremony for the Bernard Lee Schwartz Physical Education Center, located on the northeast corner of campus, was held on May 15, 1969.  On October 9, 1971, dedication ceremonies were held for the new center, billed to be one of the finest facilities of its kind on the East Coast at the time of its opening.  So impressive was the center that the Philadelphia Eagles made it their training camp home for several years in the early 1970's."

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 29, 2006, 09:56:44 PM
Thanks Gordon.... demonstrating your d3info research skills and stuff. :)

Does anyone know where they actually filmed the movie?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 29, 2006, 10:07:18 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on August 29, 2006, 07:13:30 PM
... I actually burst out with "hey that's a DIII school!!!"

dhf:

The Iggles (as pronounced in Philly) have been all over the D3 landscape in eastern Pennsylvania. In the 1960s, they were in Hershey and used some LVC trainers, then at Albright, as I recall.

As well, for many years, the Redskins trained at Dickinson and the Baltimore Colts at Western Maryland/McDaniel (not in Pennsylvania, of course, but darned close).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 29, 2006, 10:19:36 PM
Here are some other schools who are now or were at some point training at D3 schools...

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=215
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 30, 2006, 01:11:47 AM
The game scenes were supposedly filmed at Penn's Stadium, per a newspaper article I read.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 30, 2006, 09:18:06 AM
I haven't seen the movie yet.  I am planning on a viewing this friday.  Here is what I know.

Game scenes were filmed at Univ of Penn (notice the track around the field, no such track at the Vet) and at Dallas.

Widener did host the Eagles for a number of years in the 70's.  The practice fields are about a 1/2 mile away from the campus.  The trainers liked the idea that the players had to walk / jog the distance before and after practice.

From a couple of different web sites talking about the movie, I noticed a couple of D3 players in supporting / extra roles.
Mark Bartosic, Susquehana WR - plays a Giants receiver (I think)
Earl Masculli, Widener SS - not sure who he plays, but is listed in the credits.  Earl was in the defensive backfield with me back in the late 80's.

Again, these are just listed credits.  I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know if they are the same people.

FYI - I looked into an open casting call for former F-ball players when they were filming here.  I was all set to go until they told me I needed to have long hair and facial hair.  I didn't even bother showing up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 30, 2006, 12:35:28 PM
i saw wahlberg interviewed and was kind of funny he said he was playing with all these former college football players and the director and wahlberg told the players after a couple of takes to stop holding back and hit wahlberg. well on the next take a guy absolutely de-cleated wahlberg almost knocked him out wahlberg said it was by far the hardest he'd ever been hit in his life. It knocked the wind completely out of him and took him 30 minutes+ to recover....director and producer were scared silly thinking wahlberg was seriously hurt until he got up and walked around. wahlberg said he had a whole new appreciation for football players after that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 30, 2006, 01:25:10 PM
Football players hit a little harder than teen-age groupies, poor Marky Mark.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 30, 2006, 01:34:07 PM
Gotta mention that the Giants trained at FDU in the late 80's/early 90's...
What's laughable was that at the time, FDU had by far the worst facilities- possibly in the country!
(of course even more laughable was the daily banter between Parcells and LT, but that's a different post :)

When FDU built their Rec Center in 1995, the ability for the Giants to use it exclusively was at the crux of the negotiations. I, for one, am happy that they left. Besdies some cheap P.R., the university athletics program got NOTHING from them.

Strange as it might be, the Jets may actually use some of the FDU facilities until their practice complex is complete - which will be located across the street from the campus...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 30, 2006, 05:43:50 PM
Hosting an NFL team's pre-season camp is a mixed blessing. Things often go awry.
E.g., the Cowboys once trained at St. Edward's University (a D2 non-football institution in Austin, Texas). One August, the team accomplished the complete trashing of a dormitory the last night in camp (I believe this was during Switzer's "boys-will-be-boys" regime).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on August 30, 2006, 07:03:12 PM
del val commenters and anyone else who wants to read, i did not want you to think it will be a walk in the park, all i meant by my last post was that wilkes is stacked everywhere ( as well as deleware valley ) i never said wilkes WILL win but if i THINK they will.  deleware valley is a great football team and all im saying is so is wilkes... notice i said... "whoever wins will be on their way to a mac title" and that said... wilkes lost last year on a hailmary and then a last second field goal... i believe that means the O and kicking game won it for them... their defense played an outstanding game... let me apologize for letting you think i said they WILL win... I'm just hoping/thinking they will... GO COLONELS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on August 30, 2006, 07:06:11 PM
and i forgot... i know that deleware valley has 18 returning starters... great linebackers... great wide receivers... i give credit when its due... i just havent read anyone posting for wilkes so i thought id give them some credit as well... once again... good luck to both in the game.... GO COLONELS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on August 30, 2006, 08:01:00 PM
Hey Mac,
Why apologize?  It's ok to support your team and from what I read of your post, you did not say that Wilkes would have a walk in the park.  Some folks here are so supportive of their team that they can sometimes read things into what a poster is sayin that might not be necessarily true.  Hey if I was a Wilkes fan, I'd probably be sayin my team is gonna knock off DVC.  Truth is, I think DVC vs Wilkes is gonna be a great game and it's anybody's guess who is gonna win.  The talent in the MAC this year could end up having someone other than a Wilkes or DVC take the crown.  Yea, on paper both these teams are the cream of the crop, but get some injuries to key players and catch either team on a down week, and anything can happen.  That's why they play the games.  Let's hope all the kids stay healthy and let the games begin.  Go Dutchmen and Go Warriors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 30, 2006, 09:01:48 PM
no worries macguy its great to see someone give wilkes a shout out...not many people at all posting for them on this board...they should be a more than solid at all positions widener will be a very tough game for them right out of the chute. i am VERY GLAD dvc switched their game to fdu this weekend some forecasts around doylestown area are calling for 6-10 inches of rain saturday with some areas getting over 12....it would of destroyed dvc's new field....although they should find out pretty quickly how well the new underground drains work  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 30, 2006, 11:26:17 PM
If you can't get to Edwardsville this weekend for Wilkes' season opener, Pat Coleman and I will bring you the action with D3football.com's live broadcast...

William Paterson
vs.
No. 23 Wilkes

Kickoff at 1 PM, pregame coverage at 12:45.

The broadcast will be linked off the front page and at AllinBroadcasting.com (http://www.allinbroadcasting.com/)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 30, 2006, 11:50:16 PM
upbr
Not trying to bust chops here, but I think you meant to post that the FDU/Del Val game is next weekend, so that this weekend's rain shouldn't be much of a factor....anyhow, we'll see how FDU's revamped drainage works as well!   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 31, 2006, 07:34:19 AM
you are correct sir....i was trying to do 2 things at once i was watching the phillies game while typing and not thinking clearly. i am still stunned they are actually in the wild card race. btw i am literally throwing the anchor over board i was thinking of going to the penn st./akron game (friend had a xtra tick) not a chance now people will need a boat
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 31, 2006, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: formerwu on August 30, 2006, 09:18:06 AM
I haven't seen the movie yet.  I am planning on a viewing this friday.  Here is what I know.

Game scenes were filmed at Univ of Penn (notice the track around the field, no such track at the Vet) and at Dallas.

Widener did host the Eagles for a number of years in the 70's.  The practice fields are about a 1/2 mile away from the campus.  The trainers liked the idea that the players had to walk / jog the distance before and after practice.

From a couple of different web sites talking about the movie, I noticed a couple of D3 players in supporting / extra roles.
Mark Bartosic, Susquehana WR - plays a Giants receiver (I think)
Earl Masculli, Widener SS - not sure who he plays, but is listed in the credits.  Earl was in the defensive backfield with me back in the late 80's.

Again, these are just listed credits.  I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know if they are the same people.

FYI - I looked into an open casting call for former F-ball players when they were filming here.  I was all set to go until they told me I needed to have long hair and facial hair.  I didn't even bother showing up.

FormerWu ...tell the Whole Truth....
They were considering you for a punt returner, until they looked at the film and saw that you had more East-West yardage than North-South yardage...

That's when they gave you the line about hair legnth ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 01, 2006, 09:01:39 AM
Bman -

did I score the touchdown or not?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 01, 2006, 10:00:45 AM
Widener scrimmages Univ of Penn today at 4pm at Franklin Field.  I will try and make the game and offer my commentary to the board.  However, it depends on how bad the weather is this afternoon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 01, 2006, 10:39:07 AM
take a kayak with you looking at the radar right now you will need it...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 01, 2006, 11:35:14 AM
the wilkes vs. william paterson game has been switched to william patersons field, will the game still be broadcasted over the internet?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2006, 06:46:06 PM
MACGuy:

Yep.  We'll still be there.

Hope you can tune in if you can't make it to Wayne, NJ.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 02, 2006, 12:11:56 AM
thanks... ill be there
Go Colonels!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 02, 2006, 03:30:38 PM
In Annville this afternoon ...

LVC 13, Gettysburg 12.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 02, 2006, 09:26:22 PM
Nice win for the Dutch.  They had a lot of narrow defeats last year, so maybe this shows they are turning over a new leaf.

I saw Wilkes this afternoon against a fairly weak William Paterson team.  The Colonels wacked them pretty good with a swarming defense early.  As good as Follweiler is at LB -- and he's very good -- Anthony Serafin is quietly as impressive at DT.

OC Sesny will help the Colonels open up the offense a little bit.  On one memorable play Karaffa threw a long pass to Jason Prushinski into a driving rainy wind to set up the second TD.

I'm not surprised Juniata lost, but am mildly surprised they didn't score.  Dickinson has a pretty good defense and I'm sure the weather didn't help.

The same goes for Susquehanna, though I'm surprised Ursinus didn't score more.  Weather again was likely a factor.

King's got rolled by a very good running team, St. John Fisher.  Plus there is more bad news as Monarchs' standout LB-turned-DE Tore Alaimo is lost for the season to injury.


Everyone else joins the party next weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 03, 2006, 09:15:28 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 02, 2006, 09:26:22 PM
Nice win for the Dutch.  They had a lot of narrow defeats last year, so maybe this shows they are turning over a new leaf.

Yes, it was. LVC, while pushing Gettysburg all over the field, had to overcome some truly horrible special-team mistakes that gave the Bullets a TD and a safety. Coach Monos will, I suspect, be dealing with those mistakes in practice this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 04, 2006, 06:15:35 PM
Warren,
Pursuant to the LVC / Gettysburg game.  LVC's O line was visibly dominant, what a nice change.  The running game was working well.  I was surprised to see LVC put up the ball when they got to the six yard line especially considering the aforementioned facts and the weather component.  The decision almost cost them the game as they did not score cause they got picked.  What's your read, was it just someone not thinking or am I interpreting this wrong.  Quite frankly, I thought this should and could have been a blowout game for LVC.  In closing, what an improvement on D.  This is a great group of young men, it's nice to see them being successful.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 04, 2006, 09:23:32 PM
no bragging at all... but yes them colonels looked good... looking forward to widener
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 05, 2006, 08:36:08 AM
Saw Invincible friday night.  Great story and movie.  Captured it well.  Almost shed a tear at the end. 

Notes and thoughts:

1 - Earle Masculli - Widener SS late 80's played the guy that gets knocked into the car windshield.  He even has a couple of lines.  Congrats Earle, you did good.  He looks big on the screen for being only 5' 10".

2 - The location used for the Widener shots were not Widener.  It looked like a HS field in North east Philly.

3 - You can recover a muffed kick but you can't advance it for a touchdown. 

I will buy this movie when it comes out on DVD.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 05, 2006, 09:27:17 AM
Quote from: formerwu on September 05, 2006, 08:36:08 AM
3 - You can recover a muffed kick but you can't advance it for a touchdown. 


When the movie takes place you could still advance a muffed kick or fumble for a touchdown.  This was changed after Oaklands forward fumble.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 05, 2006, 11:58:59 AM
Knight

+K for you!  I was talking to WU and said that same thing, but couldn't find the rule change....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 05, 2006, 01:12:46 PM
a good article on coach clements and dvc....lets get it on!!!

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-09052006-707672.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 05, 2006, 02:07:29 PM
With week 2 (really week 1) in MAC action approaching, is there any noteworthy news?

-Who will be at the helm for DVC, Albright, & Widener after all three lost familiar faces behind the center?

-Usually there is some talk of who will be the players of the year this year?

This board is kind of dead compared to the way it has been in recent years before week 1.

Anybody out there have any valuable info??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 05, 2006, 02:09:53 PM
formerwu

I'm obviously not telling you something you already don't know, but perhaps the filmakers went to the high school for the Widener scenes because of Widener's massive field changes since the building of the new stadium?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 05, 2006, 03:15:02 PM
Bill

Could be...but most  people would not have known the difference.  I read somewhere that the location scout for the film is an ex-Philly guy....more likely that he had connections locally that got the City some revenue, and less red-tape for them...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 05, 2006, 06:40:42 PM
ok considering, we would rather talk about INVINCIBLE, than the MAC..I will answer my some of my own questions...and maybe someone willl start talkin mac this year.

I think Wilkes takes the MAC this year barring injury, or just terrible play which some heavily favored Wilkes teams have pulled in the past.  (And im not even a wilkes fan)

Del Val probably right at second, but I truly believe this year is a toss up...DVC has no Knoblauch, however Sheffield is a stud... and dont get me started on Carmon and the other wide out...All this new QB will have to do is throw it up...not many dbs in this conf can get up with those two.  DVC D is going to be the real deal...AJ Neal is the stud player in that show.  At Albright...the d gets better, but loses some key guys in Butler and Manotti.. The O loses guys as well as the QB, and a tackle... But they impressed me last year..with their potential...some of them were too young then but may have matured...I like Andrews and Acey the WR. Widener is another team that loses a QB...but the D should be solid, and they get back prothro who averaged like 53 yards a touch last year.

My big surprises this year are Leb Val, and FDU...Didnt sound like LVC was too impressive this weekend, but they both have returning QB's and some solid players, plus both of these teams shocked some people last year, and stayed close with others that they shouldnt have.  I see FDU'S QB as a huge sleeper this year, and in my eyes probably the cream of the crop in this years MAC.  Anyone?????anyone at all...rip me apart...talk some trash...lets hear something.....tell me something other than mark wahlberg's waist size
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 05, 2006, 07:08:36 PM
Dog,
I concur with ur assessment.  I predicted LVC in the top 5 this year.  The horses are in the barn!  In order for my prediction to happen, they gotta play smart and keep everybody healthy.  What's the story with Albright, who is their new QB?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2006, 08:48:55 PM
Dog:

I think your analysis is pretty good on all fronts.

We covered each of the MAC teams in detail in our Kickoff Special (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/).  It costs $9 ($5 with an .edu email address) but you hopefully would enjoy it. 

In it we looked at the quarterback positions for Albright, Del Val, Widener, Moravian and King's -- all of whom graduated their starting QB last year.  We also predicted order of finish and an MVP.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 05, 2006, 09:37:06 PM
Gordon

Would you happen to have a read when or if the MAC record stats would be updated....Latest is the 2004 season.  I am sure they realize that it is 2006. Knoblauch's has some nice stats that need to be added.

Thanks


uPBRmeASAP.....see you Saturday???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 05, 2006, 10:34:43 PM
anybody going to be joining us in chester this weekend for what should be a great game? and any comments about the game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 06, 2006, 07:38:32 AM
hangtime i have some obligations so i have to stay local on saturday although i should be home in time to watch my mighty nittany lions open a can of whoop arse on those frauds from south bend, indiana..... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 06, 2006, 08:58:34 AM
It's on PBR them Whimpitny putty tats don't stand a chance!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on September 06, 2006, 10:48:57 AM
I know this is the MAC board, but has anyone noticed that Penn State has gotten much better since Joe Paterno has done less coaching?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 06, 2006, 11:28:07 AM
alright i will give a quick synopsis on psu and their resurgance since it is really due a number of factors....1) when fran gantner retired (from being off. coordinator) he and his team took over all the admin duties for the coaches from scheduling interviews to helping recruiting etc....was a huge weight off coaches shoulders and allowed them to actually coach again and spend alot more time on film and game preparation. (2) they have stopped taking so many early recruits i.e. players were committing before and during their junior seasons...a fairly large number of these players stopped developing and psu in a sense was stuck with them....(3) a combo of freshmen players being ready to play and joe changing with the times and playing them. i.e. derrick williams and justin king last year and a.j. wallace and chris bell this year. (4) lastly really focusing on recruiting again joe admitted they had gotten lazy in recruiting and their results  speak for themselves 7 out of the top 10 players last year from maryland committed to psu over maryland, virginia etc morelli is the real deal watch him he has the best arm and quickest release i have seen in a loooooooong time....they will make a run at the national championship next year they are loaded...sorry pat just a quick tangent ....now back to div 3 football and the joy it brings GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 06, 2006, 12:04:39 PM
MOJO,
I am not sure who will be at the helm for Albright this year.  From what I have heard its down to Raga, a senior...and a transfer I believe his name is Kelly.  I am sure Gordon has more in the kickoff special than I do.

Also forgot that Kings, and Moravian both lose their QB's I like Moravian they are always a tough team.

And to whomever inquired about the MAC record books, I am not sure that Knoblauch is the holder of many of those records.  I may be wrong though.  Mayb e Gordon or Pat could shed some light.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 06, 2006, 12:40:29 PM
awful quiet on the mac board with a HUGE game this weekend....the battle of the dubya's....and no one really talking about it...well you widener folks lets here some predictions of score and breakdown of teams
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 06, 2006, 12:53:42 PM
I will actually correct myself...Knoblauch is the all-tim total offense leader in the mac, but I do not think he is the all-time leader for any passing categories in the mac.  Sorry for the oversight.  

Since gordon mentioned the MVP hopefuls were listed in the kickoff special, I have come up with some of my own, anyone else have anything?

Offense-
(In no Order)

-carmon dvc
-fdu qb i forget his name
-karaffa wilkes
-prothro widener
-acey albright
-kelly lvc

Defense-
-Aj Neal DVC
-Todd Fairle Wid
-sadik ? (spelling) Albright
- follwieler wilkes
- hennigar wilkes


I dont think there are any clear favorites this year, unlike the last few in which there were always two or three standout guys.  I do think that at the end of the year barring serious injury every player on this screen will be found on the first team - and maybe even two or three of them all - ameicans.  Any opinions?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 06, 2006, 12:57:40 PM
And to reply to the UPBR

I like Wilkes over all in this game.  I think its going to be a low scoring ball game, but Wilkes has the better O.  Widener has a great back in prothro, and a deep threat in Schmidt, but a new Qb, and I havent even heard if they have picked a starter.  Sheptock is no joke when it comes to rattling new QB's. 


My prediction

Wilkes 17
Widener 13

Karaffa Throws One
Runs One
With a big turnover setting one of them up

Kabba plays big for Widener.  Two sacks.

Ill liven this board up by myself if i have to.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 06, 2006, 01:23:19 PM
dog one person on defense i would put on that list or needs mention it anthony silver the def end from dvc i think he is due to have a monster year....his only problem is teams know how good he is and he faces many double teams
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 06, 2006, 02:07:05 PM
ubpr
I completely agree, I knew i would forget someone.  Silver's talent goes beyond that of any d-line player in the conference.  However I feel like sometimes he takes plays off.  He does receive a lot of extra attention, such as double teams, BUT i feel like he if he played with the same motor, that a guy like Kozak from Lycoming last year, he would be a first team all american.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 06, 2006, 05:08:46 PM
Does anyone happen to know if the DVC is going to be broadcast live over the internet this weekend?  I won't be making it to the game but would love to give it a listen.  :)

Go Aggies!!!!

Wilkes / Widener game should be a good one.  I'm predicting a Widener win with a protho stomp!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2006, 07:21:05 PM
All season, like last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 06, 2006, 08:45:44 PM
ill help DOG,

i predict... wilkes 27 widener 7
#11 throws a td to #36, #11 runs one himself, and #8 gets one in at tailback and one field goal. I went in to detail with numbers just to make it fun. But, I give widener 7 because Protho is an outstanding running back and will break one sometime during the game, and I agree with DOG, sheptock is no joke with his defense, which is why i only gave them 7 and because this is their season opener with wilkes having one game to get rid of the jitters, but if I'm wrong with this... it will still be a great game... good luck to both... GO COLONELS!!!!

p.s. Wilkes wins the MAC with del val coming in second and their only loss to wilkes will allow them to still get an at-large bid... hopefully, which will only look better for the MAC... and maybe a 2nd match up in the playoffs... i know i know... its too early to say that... but its fun to think about and predict the future... haha... any comments?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 06, 2006, 08:47:11 PM
sorry... i meant TWO field goals on stalled drives... no jokes about the misprint please lol
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 06, 2006, 09:02:16 PM
o ya... and how do i get my karma level up so i can stop having negative numbers and maybe move up on the depth chart lol... im startin to get into this posting stuff and seeing everyones opinions on things
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 06, 2006, 09:56:44 PM
No predictions from FormerWU yet.  I need to see the team first.  I will be there Saturday and am looking forward to a good game.

Wilkes had a win last week but look who they played.  It's nice to have a game under their belt though.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2006, 12:51:21 AM
Dog:

Your MVP list is pretty good.

Huff (FDU quarterback) is a good dark horse.  King's TB John Ortiz and Juniata RB Duane Ehredt are sort of in that same vein. 

I think Lycoming is going to be in the title hunt if they can get enough offense.  Maybe someone like LB Greg Silenok will get some votes as MVP if they win the MAC.  While Follweiler or Henniger would be good choices in the event of a Wilkes title, I think DT Anthony Serafin is equally as impressive.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2006, 12:52:19 AM
4man:

Yep.

Like Pat said, the games will all be broadcast online starting with pregame at 11:30 AM this week.

They can be heard at www.AllinBroadcasting.com

Thanks for turning in.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 07, 2006, 08:45:54 AM
Mac Guy -
I am glad to see everyone counting WU out. I think that you and some of the other posters may be surprised with the number of talented players on the WU roster. WU has a few impressive freshman (reminiscent of the Cubit era) as well as a few players who have returned from previous years. I also have a feeling that the competion that WU faced last week at Penn might have been just a little tougher than William Patterson. I am pretty sure WU will be ready.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 07, 2006, 10:05:26 AM
Hey WU, By the sounds of this board, everyone  should just fold it up and hand it to Wilkes! I for one am hoping for WU opens a can of woop ass on Wilkes. I'll be rootin for you guys this weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 07, 2006, 10:14:50 AM
agreed, go widener in the battle of the dubyas!!!  i see a 21-14 maybe 21-17 win  for the boyz from chester!!!  At least that is what us dvc fans are rooting for!!!    ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hit1sticks on September 07, 2006, 11:21:44 AM
As far as albright goes, it looks like transfer Kelly will be taking over for Port. The offense has some freshmen that have stepped up in camp at the receiver spot and will be seeing some playing time. As far as the defense goes, they return alot of players from last year and this will be a defensive oriented team i believe. they look to be a physical defense. will have to replace graduates butler and manotti, and returning db johnson who is done for the year after breaking a collerbone in their first scrimage
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 07, 2006, 11:30:21 AM
Looks like I'll be at the game all alone this weekend.  Bman can't make it because he gets to go to a birthday party for his buddy's 2 year old.  At least he only has to travel 1.5 hours each way to attend. 

Note to Bman - get friends closer to where you live.

Hopefully the Penn scrimmage worked out well for WU.  Can't wait for kickoff.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 07, 2006, 04:13:15 PM
Gordon, Dog

You guys are overlooking the big quiet man Anthony Silver from DVC. This guy is due to have a stellar year. Pursell is very likly to have another all american year.

uPBRmeASAP

Any more talk of the QB at DVC??? I havent heard a word.

The last regular season loss for the AGGIES was to Wilkes and they havent forgotten....with that said and them being slighted in the preseason poll their incentive is very high to beat them next week.

GO AGGIES.....GO WIDENER this week!!!


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 07, 2006, 04:19:57 PM
WU

Getting to watch WU beat up on Wilkes is a routine experience....getting to attend a party with 30 screaming kids is a privedge...

...OH someone please shoot me now and put me out of my misery....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 07, 2006, 04:26:05 PM
bman....must get your priorities straight... hangtime i havent heard much although here is some info from the press release from dvc vs. fdu florham re: qb looks like it is a 2 horse race between the freshmen and transfer from div II kutztown.....
The Aggies' biggest question in the preseason concerned the quarterback position and who was going to take over for Adam Knoblauch, an All-American and 2005 Division III Player of the Year finalist who graduated with 20 school records and finished second on the Division III all-time list with 12,833 yards of total offense. Freshman Mike Isgro (Galloway, NJ/Absegami) is expected to get the starting nod while Joe McMonagle (Chalfont, PA/Central Bucks West), a freshman transfer from Division II Kutztown University, is the backup.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 07, 2006, 07:35:29 PM
WU: You are right about people over looking you guys(at least the Wilkes people and D-III people anyway). However, the DVC crowd always has respect for WU and know they always put a tough team on the field. To echo Up the Green and Gold will be rooting hard for WU this weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2006, 08:19:46 PM
Hangtime:

I didn't forget Silver.  I just didn't mention him again since UPR did after Dog's post.

The pregame of our broadcast (11:30 AM start) will have an interview with Coach Clements that includes some insight into who his starting quarterback is and why.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2006, 11:24:25 PM
As alluded to below...

No. 12 Delaware Valley begins a new era on Saturday -- different coach, different quarterback, same result?

FDU-Florham hopes not and will look to senior quarterback Dan Huff to get the Devils started off on the right foot.

No. 12 Delaware Valley
vs.
FDU-Florham

Pregame begins at 11:30 on www.AllinBroadcasting.com with kickoff at 12 PM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 08, 2006, 09:36:50 AM
why does everyone keep sayin that im overlooking a team, and sayin they should just throw in the towel... all im simply doing is giving my opinion, and after this week, while everyone chears for widener and they lose, u will realize that what im saying, is true.... im not trying to be too confident or im gonna have to guess and someone is going to put words in my mouth anyways and say im cocky... but wilkes is the team to beat... THATS ALL I AM SAYING... every game counts and every game will be a close one... stop putting words in my mouth... chear for your team and i'll chear for mine... thats all
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 08, 2006, 10:32:52 AM
my did someone p in your cheerios this morning....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 08, 2006, 11:17:06 AM
MacGuy, Perhaps my reading comprehension is too good, because you most definately have said(mainly by your assertion that Wilkes is the team to beat-which btw is yet to be tested but we may get a glimpse Sat)that it's a forgone conclusion that the MAC belongs to Wilkes. Why not wait until week three to make such a bold assertion, after you've beaten two of the top powers in the MAC before beating your chest.

I don't think that 's too hard to understand.  ;D
Go Widner!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on September 08, 2006, 11:44:11 AM
Not that I really care, but why would you ask someone's opinion then tear them down for giving it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 08, 2006, 01:00:47 PM
Mac Guy-
You gave everyone your opinion and we gave you ours. There is no need to get so upset. I simply stated that alot of people are overlooking a very good WU football team. A team that returns 18 starters and has had an excellent recruiting class enter its program. I am thrilled that everyone is focusing on DVC and Wilkes. Maybe it will take the target off WU for once.  I am predicting a strong showing by both D's on saturday, with WU pulling out a tough 13 - 7 victory.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 08, 2006, 01:16:58 PM
how is widener's defense suppose to be this year?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 08, 2006, 01:25:43 PM
They have ten starters returning from last year, as well as two players returning who started in 2004. I heard that they looked very good all camp.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 08, 2006, 02:15:13 PM
Well you can tell it is the begining of the season where anyone's opinion is challenged and scoffed at....dont you just love it???  Not much trash talk but I know its early and the DVC posters have been a bit cautious in their posts including myself. Once DVC works out their kinks and growing pains this Saturday, they will be ready for Wilkes. Both squads early in the season, hopefully going into the game with no injuries and just laying the leather to one another...does it get any better than that? This contest next week will be a great game and I personally feel the game will be a toss up and who ever makes the least mistakes wins it. It is going to be a battle.  Yes I am overlooking FDU this week and I shouldnt because last year they finished well and were on the upswing.

MACguy...Correct me if I am wrong, but werent you the big Moravian Booster last year??? If so , have you jumped on the Wilkes Band Wagon and why is that??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 08, 2006, 02:18:18 PM
uPBRmeASAP

a +21 Karma points???? I cant believe it...Gordon said you were hanging on another board. Have you mended your ways and have not trashed anyone yet??

You said you couldnt make the Game Saturday but will you make it next week?? If so stop by for a dog or two.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 08, 2006, 02:22:47 PM
hangtime i am a peaceful man.... ;)   I am going to really try and make it next week but alot will depend on 3 kids sports schedules....Myself and the mrs. are pretty much a taxi service on the weekends and may have 3 games next sat. which will make it difficult to fit the game in around that but i as always will do my best to swing thru if only for a part of the game   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 08, 2006, 07:31:42 PM
all i was simply doing was showing my support for my school, i dont get upset about these things and the comments that come back, what does upset me is when other readers think im saying my team is better than everyone... i never said any team should "throw in the towel," when i asked for comments back i didnt want anyone to think i was saying wilkes will win it all, i say they have a good chance to, and so does deleware valley along with widener, and i agree to who said that whoever makes the least amount of mistakes wins the game... that goes for the wilkes/widener game, wilkes/del val game, and the widener/del val game... and i was not a moravian follower last year, this is the 1st time ive tried these postings, which is great and thanks to d3.com, and i have said this a few times before, but i dont want anyone who reads this to think i am saying wilkes is the mac champ or their going to be, im saying they have a good shot at it, del val is still the TWO-time defending champ and the road to the title goes through them... that being said... i hope everyone understands my comments, and you will not hear me say wilkes is the best team or anything along those lines, unless they are AFTER WEEK 10... but once week 10 goes by, ur championship means nothing (except personally)... then its game by game, so please understand my comments, im just posting to have fun and hear how other people feel of other teams
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 09, 2006, 03:09:37 PM
CONGRATS AGGIES!!!!!!!  Not as easily won as in years past but the job got done.   Keep the streak going boys! 

Waiting for the final on Widener / Wilkes.  last I heard, 13 tie in the 3rd qtr.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2006, 03:25:40 PM
Widener leads 20-13 in that one...should be coming to an end soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2006, 04:13:58 PM
Wilkes rallies to tie and then wins on a late field goal.

Wilkes 23 Widener 20 - Final
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 09, 2006, 05:40:21 PM
Posters,
Parity appears to be alive and well in the MAC.  I was surprised to see some of the final scores.  Should be a fun and interesting season. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2006, 10:04:21 PM
Quick thoughts...

FDU-Florham's defense did a good job of playing "bend but don't break" defense today.  Their guys were totally spent at the end after Del Val had a 21 minute time of possession advantage.

As for Del Val, Isgro played reasonably well.  He had two interceptions but made some nice plays with his legs and his arm.  All things considered, not a bad debut.  They will have to do a better job in the red zone, though.  Oh, and the defense played outstanding.  :)

That's a very nice win for Wilkes, showing they can come back against a tough team on the road with Yurewicz hitting the game winner with 19 seconds left.  And a little luck doesn't hurt.  From the Widener release:

"The last [first down] came when running back Tom Andreopoulos was stripped by Keith Wilson (Yardley, PA) after a 16-yard gain, but recovered his own muff at the Pioneers 11 yard line."

No rest of the Pioneers.  They head to Williamsport to play Lycoming in as close to a "must win" as you can have in your second week.

Tyler deRoun had a nice showing for the Greyhounds (123 yards on 20 carries) in their win.

Juniata showed some spunk today but came up short.

And for the head scratcher of the day, King's shuts out Leb Val.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 10, 2006, 02:58:41 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 09, 2006, 10:04:21 PM
Quick thoughts...

That's a very nice win for Wilkes, showing they can come back against a tough team on the road with Yurewicz hitting the game winner with 19 seconds left.  And a little luck doesn't hurt.  From the Widener release:

"The last [first down] came when running back Tom Andreopoulos was stripped by Keith Wilson (Yardley, PA) after a 16-yard gain, but recovered his own muff at the Pioneers 11 yard line."


I was at the game and let me tell you if it wasnt for Andreopoulos  Wilkes would of lost. He gained most of his yards on the last drives of the game. Also it was intresting at what the hell the O Cord. was calling most of the game, passing 1st down on 1st play on majority of 1st half drives. NO matter how you look at it this was one of the top teams in the MAC, Widner will beat eveyone else on thier Sech. and next weekend the MAC title could be won right out in Wilkes Barre. I know it is very early but Wilkes wins next sat they run the table to the Playoffs....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 10, 2006, 08:16:54 AM
Posters,
From the sounds of things, no single team is gonna have a walk in the Park.  Personally, I'll be surprised if the MAC champ has an undefeated record.  Teams are gonna start feelin the sting of injuries and any team can have a down week.  I gotta believe Wilkes in particular is gonna be vulnerable next Saturday.  Emotionally they must have dug exceptionally deep to pull the win outta the Weidner game.  If their pushed next week, are they gonna have anything left?  DVC, does not have as much as an edge in the talent arena as they have had the last several years.  It's not that their talent base is depleted (Although it's gonna be hard to immediately replace a Knoblaugh sorry if i misspelled) it's that some of the other teams are catchin up!  The old addage, on any given week one team can beat another, is in most scenarios true this season in the MAC.
Last but not least, I was truly surprised at LVC's loss to King's yesterday.  It was my understanding that a number of King's defensive standouts could not play due to injuries.  What's going on with the LVC passing attack?  The Kelly - Brossman duo was a super offensive weapon.  Seems like its on hold.  Is Kelly hurting that they have gone to more of a running game than a passing game.  The Brossman kid is probably one of the best receivers to ever play at "The Valley", so far he has been a non factor cause he's not getting the ball.  Also, this team is vastly improved defensively.  Historically this was the LVC weakpoint, not the case this season.  I'd be anxious to hear other posters comments. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 10, 2006, 04:47:16 PM
Ahh i am not to sure about that, i really fell that next weeks game Wilkes vs Del. Val will be that last strong test for Wilkes. Not saying that the conf. is a cake walk this year but Wilkes does face the top 2 teams very early this year and is an Adv. for them when they both meet the last week in the season. The MAC will be won and lost in Wilkes Barre on Sat.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 11, 2006, 08:55:41 AM
I was at the Widener Wilkes game this weekend.  Two very good teams.  Some thoughts:

- Wilkes running back won the game.  Real tough runner.  He stepped it up in the 4th quarter.

- Widener D is tough.  Looks like the Widener of old out there.

- Special teams on both sides played well.  Game may have played out differently if Widener doesn't miss an extra point.  Wilkes has a nice kicker.  Widener punter looked D-1.

- I counted 6 turnovers from Widener.  We almost won the game.  What does that tell you.

- If you have 2 QB's, you really have zero.

- When it is hot and humid, Quick Stadium is like Death Valley.  I never saw more cramps in one game than this one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 11, 2006, 10:00:52 AM
sounds like a great game was played in chester over the weekend....wilkes showing some mental toughness and widener looking like the widener of old...dvc defense is scary good...we just need a freshmen qb to not lose the game by making bad mistakes and take his time getting his feet underneath him.

hangtime i dont think i will be able to make it up to wilkes this weekend i will try and catch up with you at the lyco game (my sister a lyco grad will be there so hopefully i can talk smack with her once again this year!)

GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 11, 2006, 10:54:16 AM
uPBRmeASAP

a win is a win....It was not pretty but the boys got it done. 4 fumbles in the first 6 minutes could have been disastrous but it wasnt. The DVC "D" is once again nasty. However there is always room for improvement.

The Freshman QB looked good. The longer he played the more confidence he got. He looks to have a strong arm with distance. More experience will only make him better and have him read the opposing "D" better.  The "O" line is going to have to step it up this week and bring their "A+" game.

The Freshman punter also did a very good job in his college debut.  As a fan in the bleachers, I was suspect of some of the play calling but then again I am afforded that luxury as I am not on the field. Special teams also played well.

It looks as though next weeks game at Wilkes is going to tell a lot about the Conference over all.  Widner played tough as well as Wilkes. Again I see this weeks game  a toss up with whoever making the least mistakes comes out on top.

GO AGGIES!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 11, 2006, 12:06:51 PM
glad to see the punter is working out, we struggled there at times last year and good to see the place kicker doing extremely well   ;)     should give coach clements lots to work on this week to get ready for wilkes
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 11, 2006, 09:10:10 PM
wilkes vs. deleware valley... anybody joining us in edwardsville this weekend for what will be a great game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2006, 09:36:17 PM
Pondering it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 11, 2006, 10:25:00 PM
Quote from: MACguy on September 11, 2006, 09:10:10 PM
wilkes vs. deleware valley... anybody joining us in edwardsville this weekend for what will be a great game?

Keggers open up at 9:30am gonna be a good one, should be the D3Football game of the week if you ask me....But thats just my opinion..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2006, 11:01:20 PM
Well, there's the little matter of this game between No. 7 Hardin-Simmons and No. 11 Mary Hardin-Baylor standing in your way for Game of the Week status. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 11, 2006, 11:19:34 PM
I plan on going to the DVC game but I will be going solo.  Spouse made plans to go on a trip this weekend (of all weekends to not attend a game!).   >:(

Go Aggies!!  I'm biting my nails already!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 11, 2006, 11:23:55 PM
WUMAC,
        thats what i like to hear... haha... see you all there... how bout we rate it as ONE of the games to watch then since it can't be number 1... but its one of em lol.... GO COLONELS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on September 12, 2006, 12:55:27 AM
could someone enlighten me on the extent of the injured widener players.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 12, 2006, 06:51:32 AM
MACguy, 4Man

We will be there also Saturday.....will be tailgating as usual,,early

uPBRmeASAP.....I understand your commitment to your kids...outstanding!!!
See you at the Lyco game, next to the tracks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on September 12, 2006, 11:07:53 AM
I thought that Hardin-Simmons was playing Linfield this week?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2006, 01:35:54 PM
Yeah. There's the little matter of me typing faster than I'm thinking. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 12, 2006, 05:38:20 PM
4 DAYS.....WU vs DV.....

Can you feel the excitement, there is a different feeling here on the wilkes campus, the team and the fans Believe......Do you believe, I believe its time its been a long time. 13 years since Wilkes has been the top contender, and its all thiers to lose....

BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 12, 2006, 09:36:20 PM
Lets not get too crazy here ladie and gents.  I am a big advocate of Wilkes beign the MAC favorite this year.  However, its definitley not all theirs to lose.  They won 1 mac game so far this year.  Anyone who has been around the MAC knows Wilkes has had some heavily favored teams in the past, and crumbled....There is wayy too much parity in this conference to say it is theirs to lose.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 12, 2006, 09:49:46 PM
right on dog....plus there is a team they are about to play who hasnt lost in the mac in almost 3 years who is a little ticked off about being voted to finish second in the conference.....should be a great game and i am really going to miss not being there...i want to see how dvc's new qb handles the pressure
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 12, 2006, 11:15:17 PM
hey WUMAC, u go to wilkes?      and a little note for everyone... doesnt mean anything but its something to think about and it also wasnt the same team that del val has now... but just to mention it to add a little excitement to the game... the last time deleware valley lost a regular season game and a MAC game was when they traveled to edwardsville and lost to wilkes... it's going to be great... and yes... we believe... best of luck to BOTH teams but GOOOO COLONELS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 12, 2006, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: dog on September 12, 2006, 09:36:20 PM
However, its definitley not all theirs to lose.  They won 1 mac game so far this year. 

i Understand what you are saying Dog i was replying in the sense it is theirs to lose cause they are the Fav. if they weren't it would be theirs to gain, I did not mean it literal. It will be a great test for both teams, but i BELIEVE and just cause you haven't loss in the MAC doesn't mean anything, look at Lyco a few years back now look at them always a contender but not where they once where...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 13, 2006, 07:56:45 AM
Yo WUMac guy, or girl, you say one thing than you back-track when you're called on it. It's obvious you feel Wilkes is unbeatable, you have said exactly that a number of times. We'll just wait and see how it plays out. There are a number of teams all lined up to kick Wilkes @--. A preseason poll is just a guess so being picked first isn't an accomplishment, but a projection. It still has to be won on the field. If they are still sitting #1 in the MAC come November, than they will have accomplished something...see you Saturday, the MAC still goes through the defending back-to-back champs. Go AGGIES
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 13, 2006, 10:38:34 AM
No matter what happens Saturday at the Wilkes-Del Val game, i just hope TONS of DVC people make the trip through those beautiful mountains, & that the new AGGIE quarterback looks up into the visitors section & sees a SEA of GREEN for support!!!  GO Aggies!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 13, 2006, 11:53:02 AM
Absolutely Kate! And let's keep cheering for that awesome defense!!!!Go Aggies!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 13, 2006, 04:55:51 PM
3 DAYS


....BELIEVE....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 13, 2006, 06:53:28 PM
We DO believe!!!!    ;)

MAC THREEPEAT!!  Go Aggies!!  Go Aggies!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 13, 2006, 07:12:52 PM
Posters,
Here's the skinny.  Watchout for Lyco!  Wilkes and DVC are gonna beat each other like rented mules.  Results of this mutual beating is gonna effect both teams' season. Lyco ends up takin the MAC.  This news should result in some commentary.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 13, 2006, 07:29:13 PM
MOJO,
I don't think that there's one team in this MAC Conference that ever underestimates Lyco.  Everyone knows they are a great team not to be taken lightly. 

On any given day, any team can be victorious!  That's why each and every game against each and every opponent has to be played as if it's the Stagg bowl.  :)

Sure would be nice to see a MAC team actually make it to the Stagg!  It's been a while for our conference to make an appearance there so let's go MAC!  Get fired up!!!

Go Aggies!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 13, 2006, 07:52:40 PM
Lyco has to get by Widener in what amounts to a "must win" for the Pioneers.  So they'll have their hands full this Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 13, 2006, 08:06:22 PM
My thoughts excatly gordanmann, Widener is no cake walk....


I always found it best, to shot your pray, then eat it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 13, 2006, 08:08:10 PM
i agree with it all... wilkes/del val... definately the game of the week and i agree that they are both going to beat each other pretty bad and its going to effect both... im also interested in what happens with lyco/widener... lyco is always a tough team along with widener, especially with the way the game with wilkes came down to at the end... they are going to be mad and look to take it out on lyco... ill be listening for scores on that... should be a good... and i also like the match up of kings/moravian... should be a good battle as well... does anyone know what happened to jacoubs from moravian? he was an outstanding running back

but yes... thursday and friday will fly by, then, GAME TIME, GO COLONELS!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 14, 2006, 06:17:06 PM
The return to excellence began in the OT Victory over Ithaca mid-season LY and continues TY in a well-balanced, anyone can win on any given Sat., MAC...If Lyco's OL stays healthy TY and continuously sustain their blocks on every play in every game (especially in the Red Zone), the Warriors will dominate time of possession, which I believe will be Lyco's key to success this year...Less Rep's for the opponent's Offense, especially with the new clock rules TY and a well-rested, "fresh legs" Defense will be the determining factor between a good season or a great one....How did it feel LY Captains/Seniors after the last 5 games?...Lead by example every game TY and after 8 more games, you'll add gravy to your season schedule and your legacy will be defined!!!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2006, 10:12:04 PM
MAC Guy:

Jacoubs had a year of eligibility left but decided to finish his course work and graduate.  He only needed a few credits to get his degree from Moravian.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2006, 10:26:49 PM
In case you missed it from the earlier posts (wink, wink) the MAC has quite a showdown on Saturday.

It'll be a clash of two great defenses as No. 12 Delaware Valley travels to No. 19 Wilkes for an early but big showdown in the conference race.

This game has played a key role in deciding the conference championship the past three years...

2003:  Upstart Delaware Valley comes into Edwardsville in a surprising spot -- first place -- with a 7-1 record.  Wilkes junior running back Brett Trichilo has a great game with 41 carries, 207 yards and 3 touchdowns in a 36-19 Colonels' win.  Delaware Valley slips from first place as Lycoming takes the lead and, eventually, the title.  DVC and Wilkes each head to the ECACs.

2004: Delaware Valley hosts Wilkes and again the Aggies are in first place, this time with an 8-0 record.  The Aggies' defense shows how much progress it has made under new Defensive Coordinator Jim Clements as they hold Trichilo to 61 yards on 25 carriers.  A young quarterback named Al Karaffa gets the start for Wilkes and struggles on a windy field.  About twenty minutes after the Aggies wrap up a 12-0 win, Albright beats Moravian to give the Aggies the school's first trip to the NCAA playoffs in any sport.

2005:  Wilkes heads to Doylestown again, this time for an early match up.  Defense again is the order of the day with  Delaware Valley shutting out Wilkes in the first half and the Colonels doing the same in the second half...until DVC QB Adam Knoblauch finds David Carmon for a big gain to set up a game winning field goal by Bill Miller.

Neither team knows it but Miller's kick will be the margin of victory for the Aggies' second conference title.  Wilkes rebounds from its 1-2 start to finish the regular season with 7 straight wins.

As for 2006...

No. 12 Delaware Valley
vs.
No. 19 Wilkes

You can hear the big game on www.AllinBroadcasting.com starting with pregame coverage at 12:40.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2006, 07:38:05 AM
excellent recap gordon!!! It should be another fantastic game this weekend and another AGGIES WIN!!! Hopefully the weather holds out
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference: LVC player to be honored for life-saving ...
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 15, 2006, 01:26:58 PM
Click on the following for details:

http://www.ldnews.com/sports/ci_4343058
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 15, 2006, 02:26:47 PM
I am cofused by all the lyco talk. I must have seen the score wrong. I thought they just squeeked by Juniata on Saturday. I guess juniata must be much improved this season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 15, 2006, 03:51:15 PM
I thought they were up 20-0 at half, so this upcoming game they could make a statement.

1 DAY

....BELIEVE....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 15, 2006, 07:43:14 PM
thanks for the info. gordonmann, i heard he wasnt coming back i just didnt know why... but all the days of preparation are over... lets see who the top dog is... good luck.... GOOOO COLONELS
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: butkus20 on September 16, 2006, 03:29:52 AM
with SU departure from the MAC approaching quickly, does anyone know if Sus will keep Lyco on the schedule as one of the non conference games? While the rivalry has certainly lost its flair over the past few seasons, its still one of the best rivalries in all of D3... I'd hate to see it go away..  Anyway, if anyone knows, please lemme know
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 16, 2006, 09:36:44 AM
ITS TIME...............WU


.....BELIEVE.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 16, 2006, 02:02:27 PM
Score update at the half from Edwardsville, Pa.:

Delaware Valley 7
Wilkes 0

TD pass from Mike Isgro to Don Marshall for the only points.

I'm not sure the Colonels have a first down yet.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 16, 2006, 02:05:06 PM
gordon any update on the lyco/widener game? i am listening to dvc online and dvc's defense is just incredible.... and marshall and carmon are starting to click in the second qtr..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 16, 2006, 02:19:04 PM
Widener 0
Lycoming 0

1st half

Juniata 7
Leb Val 0

also 1st half
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 16, 2006, 03:00:24 PM
Tied at 7 as momentum starts to swing

Wilkes ball at tDel Val's 37...1252 left
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 16, 2006, 03:45:13 PM
Aggies have a chance to win on a 30-yard field goal that is no good.  The snap and the kicker slipped in the mud.

In OT Wilkes scores on the second play on a 25-yard pass from Karaffa to Matt Pizarro (which will make one board poster happy).

Delaware Valley has a fourth and 8 from the 17 to tie but the ball slips out of Isgro's hand and falls incomplete.

Final score

Wilkes 14
Delaware Valley 7 OT
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 16, 2006, 04:08:09 PM
OT baby wilkes wins, hell yea

.....BELIEVE......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 16, 2006, 06:09:47 PM
Posters,
What a great game played by both Wilkes and DVC today.  It's a pity when anybody has to come out on the bottom of a game like that.  Congratulations Wilkes!  Congratulations to the Dutchmen and the Warriors.  I still feel when this thing plays out, Lyco will be on top.  This will prove quite an accomplishment considering many here felt you could stick a fork in the Warriors, pursuant to posts last season.  Today's scores prove parity exists in the MAC.  Go Dutchmen and go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on September 16, 2006, 06:48:55 PM
There still continue to be rumors of MAC schools including Lyco heading to the Empire 8 for football.  Anyone hear anything down there?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 16, 2006, 07:12:58 PM
Nice game call today Gordon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 16, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
JT:

Thank you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on September 16, 2006, 09:02:23 PM
deleware valley played an amazing game today it just wasnt their turn... both teams played well... im sorry gordon but there was no slip on the field goal, however there was no block either, the kicker simply had a bad kick... what a great game tho... perhaps my prediction earlier could be correct tho... wilkes wins the mac and del val comes in 2nd with an at-large bid... just fun to predict
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 16, 2006, 09:26:48 PM
The ball never got off the ground (or barely did) on the snap and the hold basically pinned it to the ground.

And someone on the sideline with a very good view told me the kicker's plant foot slipped.

Nevertheless, a fun game and a deserved win for the Wilkes Colonels and their crowd.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 16, 2006, 11:11:17 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on September 15, 2006, 02:26:47 PM
I am cofused by all the lyco talk. I must have seen the score wrong. I thought they just squeeked by Juniata on Saturday. I guess juniata must be much improved this season.

I did not hear the game or have not read the aftermath and all - but a win is a win is a win.

From where I sit, given the extensive history between Widener and Lycoming - any victory over those folks who used to call themselves Pennsylvania Military is a major accomplishment - a squeaker against Juniata the week prior notwithstanding.

GO WARRIORS!  Congrats to the lads on D and the O line.  It must have been a war in the trenches to be sure.

Simba - did you catch the action today?

I agree with other posters - regarding parity in the MAC - but differ on how we got there - Lyco has not fallen off - other schools - some coached by former Lycoming coaches and players - have stepped up in big ways through recruitment, facilities, coaches, playmaking etc.  The MAC has always been a meat grinder even with one team dominant - it looks like another season of good 'ole "smash mouth football."

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 17, 2006, 02:28:39 PM
It was a beautiful day....in Central Pa....yesterday....Lyco80!....After halftime adjustments were made (no one does it better than G and his staff), the O-line answered the bell and went the distance on a long drive late in the 3rd (actual score was a few plays into th 4th)...Then the D came up with a huge play on Widener's next series by intercepting a pass in the end zone and running it back to mid-field setting up the O for their second score in the 4th...After being down 12-0 for 3 quarters, we all now know that the special intangible of "never quit till it's over" team character trait has carried over from LY's "250 for G" team....It was great to see it first-hand with other Warrior fans and former players at David Person Field yesterday and then witnessing the reaction of the players and coaches after the game....The big Mo from this comeback win will carry through Aggie week workouts this week....There will be no "big win" letdown for this week's contest....Remember, it all started with the OT score and win mid-season LY, pictured below against Ithaca when we were 1-4!!!....Go Warriors!!!....Bring on the Aggies!!!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 17, 2006, 06:51:05 PM
Gordon Mann...once again you have the correct call and the correct information...The snap for the DVC holder was low and there was a problem with the set and the DVC kicker did slip but didnt go down....Once again MACguy has his head somewhere else...and all of that resulted in a "Bad" kick as you say....if you doubt whether he slipped or not go to the photo gallery   Page 15 and enlarge the first photo which will prove to you that his plant foot was slipping....a pic is worth many words....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 17, 2006, 07:02:34 PM
The Wilkes "D" is just as awesome as Del Vals'   Congrats to the Colnels for a truely great game on Saturday. 

The Del Val "O" line needs to step it up which they will do I'm sure once they get in tune with the QB as after all this is the same "O" line from last year.

As a Monday morning QB in my opinion the play selection was atrocious....it appeared more like a high school game....2 running plays, and pass on third...no surprises and and the Wilkes "D" were keying on that so predictable play calling. 

Hey MACguy were you even at the Wilkes/DVC game???  How come the write up names Bryan Vivaldo for blocking the kick...Usually a "Bad" kick goes either wide left or right or comes up short or hits the upright...Maybe there was another writer there who needs his eye prescription checked.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 17, 2006, 08:11:16 PM
simba-
I agree that a win is a win. However, lyco never drove the field on the WU D. The first score was set up by a lyco punt return to the 33 yard line. Furthermore, the second score came after a interception that was returned 67 yards to the 34 yard line. Lyco's players did display great effort, but the game certianly was not swung in either direction by any half time adjustments. It simply came down to turnovers. Just like the Widener vs Wilkes contest the week before.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 18, 2006, 07:54:58 AM
everyone i talked to said it was a bad snap and the kickers foot slipped (obvious if you look at the photos) so i am not sure what game macguy was at? congrats to wilkes and dvc i listened on the internet and it was a great game played by 2 great teams. i think as the season wears on and dvc's qb gets more experience they are going to be a very difficult team to beat. Playing a freshmen at qb its going to take time that is truly the one place you cant hide inexperience. gordon your play calling was excellent and it was great to hear pat at halftime as well. Now bring on lycoming!!!
Here is a link where coach clements sums it up in mental mistakes and missed oppourtunities for the aggies, players need to get ready for lyco they are going to bring it this weekend... http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-09172006-713862.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 18, 2006, 07:34:56 PM
Agreed....the first TD drive started at the Widener 46yd line after a 39yd punt return (not the 33 as you suggest)....Still a good drive considering the first half stats of 3 first downs and only one rushing yard for the Warrior O!.....

"Murdock provided the first spark, returning a McHugh punt 39 yards to the Widener 46. It was the first time the Warriors (2-0 MAC) started a drive in Pioneers' territory"

And agreed, as I stated, the second was started after an interception and run back to the Widener 37yd line (not mid-field)....

"Facing a third-and-6, Matt Campbell, who split time at quarterback with Adam Purcell lofted a ball toward the end zone. Repko intercepted the pass and it appeared his momentum would take him out of the back of the end zone for a touchback. The senior, though, made a U-turn and sprinted down the sideline near the Lycoming bench. By the time he was tackled, Repko reached the Widener 37 with 7:07 remaining in the fourth quarter"

Have to differ with your opinion about halftime changes though...."G" called for the no-huddle offense to start the 2nd half....Play calls were made at the line with little time for D player changes by Widener)....There were more option series reads and QB keepers....

"Three minutes later, Smith strolled into the end zone on an option look for the lead"

Wouldn't you classify that as a major half-time adjustment?...Give credit where credit is due even though my opinion may be bias....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 18, 2006, 07:51:28 PM
Posters,
I concur with Simba, a win is a win.  Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 18, 2006, 10:28:33 PM
UPBR:

Thanks for the kind words.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 19, 2006, 01:36:18 AM
Interesting upcoming week...

Wilkes vs. FDU....Although FDU is improving they are not on Wilkes level this year. Wilkes Wins 36-14

Lyco vs. Del Val.... This is an interesting match up and could effect the MAC standings in a big way, imagine Both Del Val and Widener both 0-2 the third week. But I just don't see Del Val losing another one after that Wilkes Game.   21-14 (Close game all the way)

Widener over Leb Val (Double Digits)

Moravian over Juanita (By 10)

Kings over Albright (Double Digits)



Wilkes  -14
Del Val  -3
Widener -10
Moravian -7
Kings -10




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 19, 2006, 01:48:48 PM
uPBRmeASAP.....DVC needs to open it up quite a bit....those 2 AA receivers will perform the catches if thrown to....they have climbed the ladder many times for catches and we need to utilize them more.  Scoring 7 points is not going to win ball games especially when the "D" is holding their own on the field and keeping the opponet in check. No 1st downs for Wilkes in the first half was awesome.

See you Saturday????  Maybe between soccer games...?  Stop by for a Dawg!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 19, 2006, 03:24:45 PM
The QB has to have time to throw the ball to anyone. It was like a jailbreak all day. The playcalling was less of a problem than the fact that the O line wasn't blocking anyone all day long. You monday morning QB's need to get over yourselves you hated GA's playcalling and now it's the same for Greco. Plays don't work if they aren't executed properly and that all starts with the guys upfront. It seems to me the biggest loss, as I predicted, was Damien. But, you "bleacher coaches" probably never took notice to what he brought to the table.

Additionally, parents need to stop making excuses for their kids mistakes, this was a team loss, everyone is accountable. These guys need to practice HARD all week and look deep inside to find what it takes to be better next week. I know there is enough talent both on the field and with the coaches to win each week and make it interesting come the end of the MAC schedule. But, they must win this Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2006, 03:38:10 PM
FTR put sock in it.....I am not sure where you have been but myself and hangtime were 2 of g.a.'s biggest supporters on this board and his play calling. Very simple and go look at our posts thru last year I have no idea what your refering to in that case. Give Wilkes defense some credit they were not some pushover dvc played last weekend and was supposed to roll over...they were a highly ranked team hence the reason they were picked by the coaches to win the mac...and what are you refering to re: kids mistakes and not losing as a team?  One point i agree with you is it starts up front with the oline and dlines but other than that i totally disagree with you and/or have no idea what your talking about....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference: Musings of an disinterested bystander ...
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 19, 2006, 05:38:44 PM
Hmmmm ...

A year ago, when DVC was running over people, they could -- according to their fans posting here -- do no wrong.  However, now that the Aggies [Rams?] have lost a MAC game to the pre-season favorite, the wolves are howling.

(Heaven save us, it sounds almost like D1.  ::))
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2006, 08:26:04 PM
hmmmm....i do have to say warren that not losing a regular season game for 3 years that yes coach mangus and his staff did no wrong... ;D   
that being said i havent seen the aggies yet this year only have listened on the radio and talked to numerous people who have been at the games so its difficult for me to comment on their  play calling.....although i will say that i know hangtime and he does have good game knowledge so i trust him in his observations... and lastly these boards have been dead and someone brings his observations and thoughts on here and gets ripped apart(albeit 1 poster) and it wasnt some whacked out crazy thought or prediction i thought it would spur some good thought and input from posters but no one other than ftr has chimed in....c'est la vie...now back to our regularly scheduled programming...zzzz....zzzz....zzzz
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 19, 2006, 09:35:45 PM
Posters,
In reference to criticism of GA by DVC posters , I never saw it here in the past.  If anything I saw an adoration for the guy and his staff.  The reality is, yes GA was and is a great coach.  But other great coaches exist in the MAC. ie: G at Lyco and Monos at LVC.  The reason for GA's success, in my opinion, was not in entirity his excellence as a coach, but the fact that his squad was more talented than their competition.  DVC had superior athletic talent.  This season, parity appears across the board, much more than in past seasons.  My guess is if U take the top 6 teams in the MAC, on any given Saturday one can beat the other, dependent on given circumstances.  Commentary please!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 19, 2006, 10:04:52 PM
FEAR THE RAM....WHOA...BACK UP A STEP...We are pulling for the same team here.  You were right in your assessment of the "O" line in that it did look like a jail break most of the day, but you have to give credit to the Wilkes "D". They are just as good as the Aggie "D". Thats why they were ranked 1 and 2 in the conference.

I know only too well how much of a loss Damien is but you have to question the play calling . 2 running plays, 3rd and long...Pass, then punt on 4th...The Wilkes "D" were counting on this every series of plays.  I dont recall the yard marker but it was 3rd and long for the first down...why do you call a screen play when nothing off tackle was working and not try a pass to our 2 wide outs for the first down.  We appear to be trying to establish the running game then try to establish the passing game. Almost everyone knows this is in an ideal situation but nothing was working, so why not mix it up.  Try a pass on 1st and 10 and catch them off guard??? Make something happen. Isgro has done a good job as a rookie but with so much at stake and a loaded team with this much talent, my choice would have been to stay with a Qb who knew the system. But then again I am just a "Bleacher Coach", what do I know.

The "O" line is the same from last year minus Damien, so what has changed???  Have the blocking assignments changed that much to accomodate a roll out QB?? I ask you What has changed?  These guys are going to have to work for every yard. 

uPBRmeASAP...Thanks for the back up....this isnt my first season. If you have a chance to see the highlight CD from last year, the boys made it all look so easy. The new QB is going to be a good one in a year or two but with the talent that is inhouse today, it is time for all to step it up.  Lyco this week is not going to be a walk in the park either.  Hope to see you Saturday.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 19, 2006, 10:08:43 PM
MOJO....I cant agree with you more...any given Saturday and any given team  you are right with that.

Hey Simba...any acid balls for this weeks game at DVC???  What is your prediction??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2006, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: HANGTIME on September 19, 2006, 10:04:52 PM
I know only too well how much of a loss Damien is but you have to question the play calling . 2 running plays, 3rd and long...Pass, then punt on 4th...

Do you think perhaps the playbook is a little thinner for the freshman playing his second game ever than it was for Adam Knoblauch in his 43rd start?

What I saw of Isgro doesn't make me confident he is ready to handle a more complicated game plan. Give him time. He could turn out just fine.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 19, 2006, 11:17:40 PM
Simba
I was not trying to take anything away from the Coach G. I think he is an excellent coach. I was merely stating that I feel those two plays, and the field postion LYCO had a result, played a major factor in the outcome of the game. I am not taking anything away from your boys great win. The fact that the players did not quit is a tribute to there head coach.

Fear the Ram-
Bleacher coaches are a part of the game. The same people who complained about GA will now talk about him like he is a god. Furthermore, the same people who complain about Greco this week after a loss will love him if DVC beats Lyco. That is simply how it works. I think Pat makes a great point about Isgro. He is a freshman, and everyone needs to remeber that, he is not #9 and it is not fair to expect him to be.
I am sure that the coaches have reduced the package to give him a better chane to be sucessful.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 20, 2006, 12:18:04 AM
In response to the Daily Dose:

I find it quite troubling about some of your opinions you shared tonight on the subject matter at hand. I was and still am one of those so called "inebriated mob" standing around at the Wilkes vs Del. Val. game. I would have to totally disagree on most things that you said and point out some facts about what happened that Saturday. First off in most of your "inebriated mob" crowd pictures you can clearly see Administration, Public Safety, and Local Police. Wilkes University is not a suitcase school, College Students do go there and like to have fun to watch a football game. Being that this game was hyped up and was one of the biggest games ever in the recent history. I would expect any college student to have a good time, hell the Del. Val parents where there before us. It's called spirit, school spirit and yes maybe some fans do get out of hand. However I would expect that someone with your knowledge of D3Football, would seek out someone to do something when someone says "You f—ing f-g–t, you're nothing but a f—ing f-g–t! Pressure's all on you, you f—ing f-g–t!"  It is not like no one was around like you said they are clearly visible in all of the "inebriated mob" photos you took.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2006, 12:23:25 AM
I guess you didn't read the whole thing.

"And I'm not even talking about the inebriated mob standing in one end zone at the end of the game. It's the fans in the other end zone who chose to berate individual players from the opposing team, loudly and with the foulest language I've ever heard at a D-III event."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 20, 2006, 04:37:40 AM
On a totally unrelated thread:

Isgro is qb at DVC.  When Simba and I were at Lycoming there was a Dan Isgro #56 who played and he had a twin brother - Ernie.

One, or both of them, relocated to Atlantic City after college and became part of the gaming industry there.  Now, if I am correct, this freshman Isgro hails from Absegami H.S. in NJ which is just that part of the state.

Is this just a weird moment where the planets are aligning?  Or did Lycoming and Coach G miss out on a legacy and let one get away?

Pat?  Simba?  Mojo?  Others?????

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference: Crowd Control
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2006, 07:12:13 AM
Just out of curiosity, at Wilkes, why is there no fence or other barrier around the playing field?

[One man's opinion: Allowing spectators so close to the action is asking for trouble.]
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on September 20, 2006, 09:47:20 AM
Open up the playbook at Del. Val.???
I must have missed something!  They ran option, QB traps and draws, a shuffle pass, TE screen, reverses, etc.  What else can they put in?  The play calling may need changed, but what else can they add?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 20, 2006, 10:18:19 AM
Pat Coleman

Hey Pat, I am a fan of Isgro, he is going to be another very good QB. What I was trying to relay is that the "O" line needs to give him time to complete the hand off or hold the blocks until the pass is released.

I am sure he is operating with a limited playbook it just makes sense...he needs protection.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2006, 10:42:05 AM
Hangtime:

Gotcha.

I only saw the Wilkes game, of course, so someone who saw the Florham game will have more information than I on this, but Wilkes' defensive front is pretty good. It might be that they weren't going to have the answer.

Merrick:

The fans were pretty vocal about Del Val throwing down the field more. I'm not sure that was a good idea, having seen Wilkes against William Paterson.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 20, 2006, 02:44:03 PM
Pat Coleman

I read your blog about the Wilkes fans. I personally was not wittness to all of the the taunting by the fans in the end zones. I was too far removed high in the visitors bleachers. However I did see many, I assume students getting fired up before the game behind the goal posts. At that time I observed college kids enjoying themselves and not being destructive in any way. The usual bantering back and forth between visiting fans was the order.  We all can debate this situation forever but drinking does exist and goes on frequently at these games and also in the professional arena where people get out of hand. My opinion is to have them removed asap, especially when kids are around. Problem is to get them removed sometimes there is not enough security to have this done....sorry didnt meant to ramble

But there was a "Sportsmanship" announcement read by the game announcer prior to the start of the game for what it was worth......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 21, 2006, 06:48:34 AM
Posters,
Much is made of QB play and rightfully so.  With that being said, I have seen mediocre QB's look very good because they have a great supporting cast around them and have also seen some top shelf QB's look mediocre because "THE HORSES WERE NOT IN THE BARN."  First and foremost, if a QB is gonna be successful his O line gotta give him time.  In my opinion, skill wise, one of the best QB's I have seen in the MAC, and I apologize for not remembering his name(THINK HIS NAME WAS TROUTMAN), was a kid that played for Juniata 3 or 4 years ago.  This kid appeared to have it all but probably never received the accolades, he would have, had he played for a Lyco or Weidner at the time.  Plain and simple the reason for this occurance was because he didn't have as many "HORSES IN THE BARN."  I hope I didn't offend anyone with the afforementioned statements, but it is what it is.  I'm confident the kid playing QB for the Aggies will be fine, gotta give him time.  Commentary please!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 21, 2006, 03:18:36 PM
To HT and UP first of all, I didn't point a finger at you, I was speaking in general about the "coaches" in the stands. (Although, I do remember some posts after the Rowan game questioning GA's plays, but let's forget that part)There was an entire section of them at the game directly in front of the coach's box screaming all sorts of complaints and they were doing it in order to be heard by the coaches. If you are a fan, and you all are parents, than your job is to cheer your team on and support your kid and the others on the team. It does not give you a lisence to be an obnoxious bore and embarrass your children. I went to the restroom and heard the parents talking about our fans horrible behavior(some of them had to sit in our bleachers). Now, while I think Pat's comments concerning the Wilkes student body, was right on target, I also was repulsed by having to sit in the bleachers with these loud mouths. This is not a one time occurance however, as it's happened a great deal over the previous seasons.

As for the changes in the O'line, besides Damian, big Ralph (71)is injured and he was a starter last year, but most importantly, the center is responsible for calling out the blocking assignments, that would seem to be a major issue to me and something that takes time to learn. It's my understanding that the current center was moved from another position, so I'd say he's having to learn quite a lot.

My point is that we aren't the coaches and we don't get paid to call plays or decide who is or isn't on the field. What we should be doing is just cheering for out team. And by cheering I mean applauding great play. As was stated before there by Pat, these kids aren't getting paid to do play this game, they do it because they love it. It's their game, we have nothing invested in it and should just enjoy their play as it all too quickly is over.

As for the post regarding the rowdy Wilkes crowd, I don't understand why the MAC allows Wilkes to have spectators so close to the field. The most definately should be required to keep off the track, that at least would put some distance between the players and the fans. Additionally, the taunting and name calling mentioned by PC was started at the very beginning of the game when the special teams guys came out for warm-ups. There were security people not more than 100 feet from the offenders as they were manning the entrance gate. It would seem that good sense would have one of them at least speaking to the offenders, but nothing of the sort took place. A suggestion was made that it was up to those offended by the statement or other spectators to admonish the offenders, but in my experience this would merely lead to an ugly confrontation, as other spectators have no authority. The answer would seem to be in additional security people who have the authority to remove offenders from the premises and limit the consumption of beer etc.

Here's to an improved performance by DVC AGGIES against an always difficult Lycoming. A win at the first home game would be a treat for all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 21, 2006, 04:21:12 PM
understood ftr....i didnt realize the "fans" at wilkes were allowed that close to the field...wilkes administration better wake up because this is going to lead to a very ugly situation at some point...all it takes is a errant football in pre game warms ups to go over past their "fans" and talking smack will escalate and lead to players coming to back up their teammate and it will take off from there. I hope wilkes admins realize this and stop this before something very bad happens. I agree with an earlier post they need to put up a fence around the track
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on September 21, 2006, 08:28:35 PM
I usually just read but what the heck ... I think someone called people who only read Post Patterns and don' t post - lurkers - it has kind of a negative connotations.. here goes..

Many posts about Wilkes / Del Val this past weekend, some even about the game. Wilkes has won 2 gut check games in as many weeks  this year, with more coming up ( I hope the players think every week is a "gut check" game).
I have heard the obligatory compliments about Wilkes having a good team, but one Widner poster blamed their loss on turnovers( 1st Wid score was a long fumble return) and how Del Val's play calling was so predictable , the Wilkes D knew what was coming. Wilkes won both these games with a superior D and an improving offense. They also outplayed both teams in the 4th Qt ,when both oponents looked tired.

About the Wilkes fans - I do not condone the obscene behavior of a small % of fans berating opposing players, but I would not describe the one group as an "inebriated mob". They were cetainly drinking , but I think they conducted themselves within the boundaries of acceptable conduct and were having fun showing their support for the team marching around with the "Iron Colonel" and beating a drum. I agree that Wilkes should step up security to stop the obscene taunts, but I am not sure if placing barriers is the way to go. As one poster stated - being close to the field is one of perks of attending D3 football. Ejecting the offenders is a good 1st step.

Anyway - I hope the team keeps winning and the fans continue to come out and support the team in a positive manner.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on September 22, 2006, 07:02:40 AM
I think its obvious to everyone that fans can step over the line when attending games.  But we also need to monitor the behavior of the players especially during pre-game warm ups.  It seems taunting the opposing team has become the trend and it has just carried over to the fans.  When players come out swearing and talking "smack" then why wouldn't the fans in the area do the same?  Most people would agree that monitoring the players would be the coaches job, but apparently no one told the coaches.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 22, 2006, 08:53:28 AM
good point jm i.e. when the "U" aka univ of miami stomping and jumping all over louisville's cardinal logo at mid field and a fight breaking out....how many times is miami going to do this before they should forfeit the game it seems at least once a year for the last 5 years they have done this or taunted opposing teams and gotten in fights before the game started....only good thing was louisville opened a giant size can of whoop arse on them
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 22, 2006, 09:56:30 AM
uPBRmeASAP

Are you going to the game Saturday or is it going to be a Soccer Saturday or something in between...or maybe both as you are on home ice???

Stop by for a Dawg!  See you there.

GO AGGIES!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 22, 2006, 09:59:11 AM
Simba

Are you planning on coming to Doylestown to see Lyco and DVC??? If so would like you to stop by for a Dawg also.....email if you can..See you there and bring a couple of spare "Acid Balls"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 22, 2006, 02:33:30 PM
Simba,

We are in the throes of our overseas move here - would love to attend the DVC - Lyco game.  Last time I was in Doylestown the score was Lycoming 50 - DVC 0.

Shoot me an email or call me on my cell phone 757-289-6509 as I will be attending the ECU - WVU game in Greenville, NC with number one son - a sophomore at ECU.

My way of saying farewell to him before departing to Japan.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 22, 2006, 05:16:25 PM
JM: Two points. 1 there's being close and then there's the situation at Wilkes, which is not duplicated anywhere else. That is entirely to close and causes point 2. Which is what makes fans feel the need to be a part of the game? They aren't in the game and they seem to have a misimpression that they are.

If you ain't in uniform you ain't part of the game. Fans should cheer for their team and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 22, 2006, 11:55:14 PM
It's as big a game as any tomorrow on the MAC schedule as the Lycoming Warriors bring their momentum to Doylestown to take on No. 20 Delaware Valley.

The Aggies need a win to have any real shot at the title -- or maybe even the NCAA playoffs -- while Lycoming has postseason aspirations of their own.

No. 20 Delaware Valley
vs.
Lycoming

If you can't get to Doylestown, you can listen to the game live on the internet at www.Allinbroadcasting.com starting with pregame at 12:40 PM.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 23, 2006, 02:05:45 PM
Lycoming 6 Delaware Valley 0 - Half

Aggies lucky to be down by only one score with the Warriors outgaining them 150-38 totaly offense.  Smith and the Lyco offense look pretty good -- not big plays, but lots of productive plays for 6-7 yards a pop.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 23, 2006, 03:41:47 PM
Delaware Valley comes back to score on three straight possessions to take a 17-16 lead.

A late fumble gives Lyco the ball at the 40 or so of Lyco.  Warriors get as close as the 27 before Justin Porter's sack brings up 4th and 18.  The next pass is interecepted by Kevin Bliss.

Delaware Valley 17 Lycoming 16 - Final
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 23, 2006, 07:31:57 PM
DVC V. LYCO

LYCO Dominated, DVC Made Plays when it counted....what a good game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 23, 2006, 08:20:44 PM
Congrats to DVC on their win today! It was an awesome game and the offense came up big when their backs were to the wall. Isgro has made some impressive plays, especially for a frosh! The defense was not as dominating this week but lost #11 on the opening kickoff. They showed what their made of by coming up big in the fourth quarter! ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 23, 2006, 11:37:33 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 23, 2006, 03:41:47 PM
Delaware Valley comes back to score on three straight possessions to take a 17-16 lead.

A late fumble gives Lyco the ball at the 40 or so of Lyco.  Warriors get as close as the 27 before Justin Porter's sack brings up 4th and 18.  The next pass is interecepted by Kevin Bliss.

Delaware Valley 17 Lycoming 16 - Final

Gordon,

Did not see the game - was in Greenville for ECU - WVU game - but had text msg updates from Simba throughout.

A Lyco fan who attended said something about a DVC receiver who scored a touchdown stepping out of bounds right in front of an official.  Can you confirm this? 

Seems to me that DVC was lucky to get away with a win - could it be that they are overrated or is Lycoming just tougher this year than everyone gave them credit?

Also - Wilkes still looms ahead for Lycoming as does LVC and others.  Might the MAC be won this year by a team with one or more losses?

Thanks Simba for all the updates - pity the lads could not put them away when they were up 16-7.  The old adage about letting a team hang around once again proves its truth.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 23, 2006, 11:48:35 PM
Lyco:

Thanks for the message.

Both DVC touchdowns were caught in the middle of the field, so I'm not sure if that's case. 

I think Lycoming is pretty good, though they need to establish a running game.  Their best running play was Smith running QB draws.  But they'll give Wilkes a fight in a couple weeks.

I did notice that the game had a far less tense tone this year.  Last year's game felt like it was boiling to the point of an explostion.  This year Lycoming's players showed a lot of class when they were guinely concerned for Kevin Bliss as he was writhing on the field in pain.  The kids seemed very collegial after the game with each other.

As for parity, King's (3-1, 3-0 MAC) seems like a bigger threat than Leb Val right now ifyou're looking for a sleeper.  Manello has done a great job with that team this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 24, 2006, 11:27:42 AM
hey lyco80,

Saw the mentioned play...along the visitors sideline the player was out of bounds, never re-established position on the field ...actually caught the ball OB!  Everyone was surprised when the REF marked it as a catch!  Next Play was the first TD pass on a "post Pattern".  Happened right in front of where I was sitting!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 24, 2006, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: jb on September 24, 2006, 11:27:42 AM
hey lyco80,

Saw the mentioned play...along the visitors sideline the player was out of bounds, never re-established position on the field ...actually caught the ball OB!  Everyone was surprised when the REF marked it as a catch!  Next Play was the first TD pass on a "post Pattern".  Happened right in front of where I was sitting!

jb,

Thanks for the confirmation.  Mr. Mann?

The phone call I got was a voice mail so I had not interrogatory opportunity but he did allege that a DVC touchdown was ill-gotten.

What say the rest of the posters?

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 24, 2006, 01:39:43 PM
i say its water under the bridge time to start preparing for next weeks game.... ;)   its a beautiful thing in pbr's parents house on turkey day this year....pbr's sister(lyco grad) is calling foul and swore she would never see the day the dvc would beat lyco this many times in a row....ahhh that turkey will taste good and life is good!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 24, 2006, 05:57:53 PM
you get some calls and lose so calls...hopefully in the end it all evens out!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 24, 2006, 07:19:42 PM
Lyco:

My vantage point is probalby too far away to offer much that's useful.  I'm on the home sidelines up in the press box which is pretty high off the field, so I don't know.

It was 9-0 Lycoming at that time and 16-7 a few minutes later.  If it was a rough break for the Warriors, it certainly wasn't the only factor in the final score.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 24, 2006, 10:18:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 23, 2006, 11:48:35 PM
As for parity, King's (3-1, 3-0 MAC) seems like a bigger threat than Leb Val right now ifyou're looking for a sleeper.  Manello has done a great job with that team this year.

Except for them being shut out by the Cardinals of course....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 24, 2006, 11:16:42 PM
Yeah, that's a large reason why they haven't received any Top 25 votes.

But considering that the Monarchs' season started with a lot of new guys on offense, an injury to its key player and a whitewashing from SJF, this is an impressive turnaround for King's.

They have a couple weeks before they see the stronger teams in the conference.  And they don't play Lycoming this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 24, 2006, 11:34:38 PM
FYI, the Delaware Valley-Lycoming game broadcast is posted on www.AllinBroadcasting.com under past shows for those who may be interested.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 25, 2006, 09:30:50 AM
Gordon

Will you be doing another Aggie CD this year??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 25, 2006, 09:36:44 AM
hangtime sorry i missed you, these rain makes up dates are killing me i am going to 3 games on saturday and sunday each....plus multiples night games during the week...sounds like the aggies went to the wr's in the second half and let those awesome wr's go make some plays what was your take on the game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on September 25, 2006, 06:46:04 PM
Wilkes, after a slow start beat a team they are better than - FDU. Good job by O, D & Specials.

My hats off to FDU QB Dan Huff , he is tough - dinged on a roughing the punter penalty, 6 sacks, and a few hits after releasing a pass and he was still in there tossing a TD pass on the last play of the game.

not much said about the kicking game, but I don't think I have seen better overall punting/kicking in the MAC than this year. Wilkes' punter - Soph - Mario Della Fortuna is averaging 37.3  and opponents are averaging 37.6. Many KOs are inside the 10. Good Job SR Kicker Ryan Yurewicz.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 25, 2006, 08:31:30 PM
uPBRmeASAP

Sounds like you got some payback on "Sis"???

The first half was tough...typical Lyco squad, big and tough.  In my opinion this kid Isgro is going to be a great one.  He is building his experience and getting better each week.  A lot of running in the first half but two good throws almost connected for 6....the score could have been bigger or closer going into the half.
In the second half, like Wilkes, Lyco was keying on the "Run" and when the boys came up with a play action pass, everyone was frozen and playing the run, which obviously open up the passing game.  There were some one on one match ups with the wide outs and DVC took advantage of that. I hope to see more of the same this week.  "The Fat Kid" has been doing good and the pat was the margin of victory.  Goat or hero,Gota love those kickers...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 25, 2006, 11:11:27 PM
Hangtime:

Yes, in some capacity.  I'm not fully sure what will be on it, but we'll do some kind of CD.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 26, 2006, 07:45:09 AM
my feeling has been you better get dvc early this year because after isgro has 7-8 games under his belt he will no longer be a freshmen at qb. he will have seen lots of defenses and know what calls and audibles to make plus the game will start slowing down and he will see the field much better and know where to put the ball. i would like another shot at wilkes after a number of games because i really think isgro is going to be a very good qb by the end of the season. if dvc wins out i  think they make the playoffs in some capacity whether a mac champion or at large bid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on September 27, 2006, 02:26:58 AM
Around the region,

Pat just thought you like to know Wilkes plays lyco next week not this week. Wilkes has a bye.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 28, 2006, 11:31:18 AM
uPBRmeASAP....any chance you will be going to the Leb Valley game this week...if so look for us tailgating.

Gordon....why do you think the MAC board has been so slow and quiet this season so far???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2006, 12:44:41 PM
hangtime too far a trip this weekend for me to make it out there i have to stay local with mucho soccer games on the schedule.....i will be anxious to see how dvc does this week....lvc is no pushover
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 28, 2006, 09:54:52 PM
Hangtime:

I think this board has been relatively quiet for the past couple years, actually.

My initial thought is that the most lively boards are those for conferences where:

   a) the conference has a couple very strong teams who are conference crown and title contenders every year
   b) the schools in those positions have communities who are active on these boards.

This board has the second, but not so much the first.  We know from the various site stats we keep that Delaware Valley's community is active on the site -- looking at the team pages, posting messages, etc.

Wilkes is an excellent football team, but their community has been fairly quiet on this site from what I've seen.  They are more active on D3hoops.com.

Lycoming and Widener had a lot of active posters a few years ago and I suspect they have a lot of people "lurking" (reading but not posting) now.  But Lyco hadn't done as well on the field until halfway through last year when they were out of the playoff hunt.  Widener's schedule put them behind the eightball early in the conference title hunt this year.

As another example, the Empire 8 board is pretty active with multiple Ithaca and SJF posters.  If those teams had some down years (i.e. not conference contenders) and another school like Springfield became dominant, that board would be quiet too.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 29, 2006, 11:58:12 AM
gordon

You caught me lurking
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 29, 2006, 02:38:44 PM
Gordon

Thanks for the input regarding the "Boards"...very interesting.
We will be tailgating at Leb Val tomorrow...stop by for a "Dawg"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 29, 2006, 03:43:47 PM
where's all the lvc people they were talking up their team earlier this year and now a day before a big game against dvc and not a whisper...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2006, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 29, 2006, 03:43:47 PM
where's all the lvc people they were talking up their team earlier this year and now a day before a big game against dvc and not a whisper...

We LVC fans tend to be a cautious lot. Besides, perhaps we also learned a lesson (as if we needed one) from all the early-season chest-thumping from DVC posters.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 29, 2006, 04:11:27 PM
LOL...warren i was expecting at least a "lets go lvc..." or something true you guys/gals are not the smack talkers but a little support for your team cant hurt now and then....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2006, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 29, 2006, 04:11:27 PM
LOL...warren i was expecting at least a "lets go lvc..." or something true you guys/gals are not the smack talkers but a little support for your team cant hurt now and then....

OK, here it is. "Let's go, LVC!" And you're absolutely correct -- that actually doesn't hurt, either now or then. In fact, I feel fine.  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2006, 04:39:47 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2006, 03:57:09 PM
We LVC fans tend to be a cautious lot.

As a case in point, in March 1994, at the D3 basketball Final Four in Buffalo, when the Dutchmen were trailing Wittenberg by 15 points with about eight minutes left in the game, we LVC fans were absolutely convinced there was no way we could win. How's that for being unduly cautious?   ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2006, 06:07:19 PM
Wait, Witt was up big on you guys too?

Hmm ... interesting.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2006, 06:53:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2006, 06:07:19 PM
Wait, Witt was up big on you guys too?

Hmm ... interesting.

Why, yes, they were. The "new" defensive scheme for that particular game wasn't working, so the Dutchmen reverted to their usual defense ... and, thus, the rest is history (or something like that ... whatever that cliche might mean).

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 29, 2006, 07:19:32 PM
now your on your way warren!!  i can tell you were on the cheerleading squad in your younger days.... :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2006, 07:43:09 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 29, 2006, 07:19:32 PM
now your on your way warren!!  i can tell you were on the cheerleading squad in your younger days.... :o

Mercy! How'd you guess? That's supposed to be a family secret ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 29, 2006, 07:57:31 PM
Since I'm extremely bored and the wifes at work I bring you:

TheOriginalUpstate's Early East Region Rankings....

1) Rowan
2) Cortland
3) St. John Fisher
4) Wilkes
5) Springfield
6) Hobart
7) DVC
Ithaca
9) RPI
10) Brockport

outside looking in: Kings, Alfred, Union....


Rowan is, right now, head and shoulders above everyone in the east.  Rowan has a sick defense and untill someone in the East knocks them out of the playoffs they are the team to beat.... 

Cortland is a well balanced team, but their defense looks extremely impressive.  I think they had 10 sacks vs Brockport....Thats just not fair.  I think Cortland vs Rowan could be the game of the year in the East Region.

St. John Fisher is averaging 300yds on the ground, thats pretty impressive considering they dont run the option.  Their defense and O-line are really setting the tone for the season and have dominated games.  One has to wonder are they the Denver Broncos of the eastern region?  They seem to produce alot of 1000yd rusher lately.

Wilkes is a tough team to read.  Yes they just did beat DVC, but thats the only team with a winning record they beat, and in fact only one other Wilkes opponent has won a game.  Trying to figure out the MAC is always difficult.  SJFC pounds Kings in the opener and then all of a sudden Kings is 3-0 in the MAC. 

The PRIDE seem to look Sharpe (pun intended) so far this year but have yet to play AT Ithaca and SJFC.  SC could suprise some people when its all said and done if they keep running their option the way they have been.

Hobart passed their early season test vs RPI. Actually RPI just let them copy off their exam with the turnovers they gave bart. Hobart just doesnt have anything to get excited about.  They are a solid team but nothing flashy which bores the hell out of me.

While Ithaca bombed the second half of their early season test vs SJFC they are still in good shape to win out and make the NCAA's.  SJFC has two tough opponents in AU and SC so even though that IC's schedule doesnt favor them with their out of conference games, they can still win the conference if SJFC slips up. They have SC at home which bodes well for IC. 

DVC is a hard team to figure out with a newbie at QB who looks to be solid, they've got alot of athletes in the Valley and if they can get consistant on O they could push for a spot in the NCAAs. 

RPI punched themselves in the nuts last weekend, they were a team that I thought could make a deep run in the playoffs.  They've got to play catch up now and hope to sneak in. 

Brockport seems to have gotten back on the state school juice in the offseason.  They are playing a physically dominating style on offense and on defense like they used too a few years ago.  They do have a hell of a schedule vs 4 ranked teams in IC, SJFC, SC and Wesley.   

Kings is 3-0 in the MAC, but got shut out vs SJFC.  It will be easier to figure them out once they get deeper into their MAC schedule

Alfred doesnt seem to have that intimidating D w/o Brady.  They are a solid team with some good play makers, they still may play the role of spoiler with IC and SJFC left on the schedule.

Union just isnt the same with out their star reciever.  Arcidacando is a great back but without their deep threat to take some pressure off him they wont be as explosive.  Plus their D isnt good enough to contend in the LL this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 30, 2006, 09:24:27 AM
If you can't make it to Annville this afternoon, let us bring you the action live over the internet.

Delaware Valley
versus
Lebanon Valley

Kickoff is 1 PM with pregame coverage at 12:40 PM on www.AllinBroadcasting.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 30, 2006, 02:15:25 PM
Beneath the drippy drops at Arnold Field, Del Val has a 7-3 on a late 1st half TD rush from Chad Peterman.

Lebanon Valley's band makes its way onto the field -- pretty impressive numbers in the Dutch band.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 30, 2006, 04:20:10 PM
Whew, HEART ATTACK CITY,  Del Val, but congrats on the win!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 30, 2006, 04:20:40 PM
Yeah.

How about that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 30, 2006, 04:55:03 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 30, 2006, 04:20:40 PM
Yeah.

How about that.

Talk about leaving a game with a bad taste in the mouth. The Aggies executed when it counted, LVC didn't. End of story. (But at least we scared 'em, didn't we?  :P)

Gordon, I looked for you, walked back and forth along the fence before the game, during the game, and at the half, hoping to catch your attention. Figured you were very busy. After the game? See my first sentence.  :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on September 30, 2006, 05:50:17 PM
Congrats Del Val!  I guess we're going to have to go back to the nickname from 2004 - THE CARDIAC KIDS!   :D

Great game LVC!  Very impressive.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 30, 2006, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: 4man on September 30, 2006, 05:50:17 PM

Great game LVC!  Very impressive.


Thanks for your kind words, 4man. A game full of "what-ifs," "could-haves, " and "should-haves" for the Dutchmen. But, yes, though a hard-to-take loss, a very good effort v. a ranked team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 30, 2006, 06:11:06 PM
Posters,
Congrats to DVC.  In my opinion, LVC outplayed them in every area but the scoreboard.  No sour grapes, but I witnessed some questionable officiating today.  I say this not to take anything away from the DVC team, but disturbing nontheless. My statement from earlier in the season was reaffirmed today,  parity is alive and well in the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 30, 2006, 08:29:20 PM
4MAN.....Yes today did have shades of 2003-2004 didnt it? DVC stole this game from under LVC.

MOJO...you are correct...DVC was outplayed on the field but not the scoreboard. Kelly, Brossman and "Charlie" were very impressive.

Gordon , you missed an outstanding tailgate, could have enjoyed your insight ad opinions...

uPBRmeASAP...You missed another nailbiter....I have to see my cardiologist this week before the next game.....these "Cardiac Kids" are going to put me away!!!   Its easy to sit up high and second guess again but the "O" line still has to step it up and give the QB a bit more time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 01, 2006, 12:39:19 AM
When you state there was "questionable" officiating you can't than say "not sour gra[es". Of course it's sour and that's understandable, LVC played well, but not quite well enough. DVC would not give up and when their backs were against the wall(due in part to their own mistakes)they stepped it up big time. That's what 2 undefeated years in the MAC will do for you-make you believe you can win, even when everyone else thinks your done.

LVC had a great game plan that exploited some of DVC's strengths, fortunately, the AGGIES coaches made the right calls when it counted, and the players executed.

Don't forget guys that DVC was without two players that were sorely missed (Raftery and Sheffield) and then had their #2 half back go out with an apparent concussion early in the first quarter. Props to the guys for finding a way to overcome great adversity today. It was quite a thriller and it was nice to be on the W side.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 01, 2006, 11:20:53 AM
Hangtime--

I'm sorry I missed you.  A late arrival due to traffic sort of goofed my whole pregame agenda up.

Let me know what to look for (the kind of car you have, whether there's a tent or not) and I'll try to find you on Saturday for homecoming.  I'll be wearing a Detroit Tigers or red Penn baseball cap, so feel free to shout my name if you see me first.

I left Annville stunned by the beauty of Lebanon Valley's campus, the support the home fans gave their team and the nature of the Aggies victory.  I don't think it's sour grapes to question some of the officiating.  The catch by Don Marshall to spark the first drive looked for all the world like it was preceded by him violently pushing off the Leb Val defender.  How that wasn't pass interference is beyond me.

But the Aggies showed a lot of grit and determination in the last five minutes.  They had something like 100 yards in the first three quarters and 144 yards on the last two drives.

That said, they need to find a running game.  Whether that means breaking out the Mark Kelso helmet to protect players from concussions (just kidding) or improving the line play (not kidding), they are asking their defense and a freshman quarterback to do too much for this luck to continue.

And Mojo is right on parity.  There are no gimmes on this schedule.  Moravian behind RB Tyler deRoun will push the Aggies again next Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 01, 2006, 04:39:21 PM
Posters,
No sour grapes!  Believe what you desire.  In my opinion, I saw two plays involving pass interference that were not officiated properly.  This criticism cannot be directed at either team but at the officials directly.  The two plays mentioned resulted directly or indirectly into DVC TD's.  Pursuant to Feartheram's comments concerning missing players, LVC had some also. ie: Joe Tomtishen (captain and defensive stalwart).  Yes, I do realize the only score that counts is what's on the scoreboard at the end of the game, however I cannot buy into excuse making as to why the game was so close.  The game was so close because DVC is not as good and LVC is not as bad as many fans would have you believe.  Parity my friends, parity! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 01, 2006, 08:07:52 PM
Saturday is homecoming, the weather's gonna be great, let's please give Moravian a "fond farewell".  Nobody said that Leb Val wasn't a good & getting better each game team.   GO AGGIES, beat those Hounds!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 01, 2006, 10:48:23 PM
Gordon...Just look for a blue and green tent (2 tents) and we tailgate along the RR tracks where you can cross over to the softball fields...Look for you saturday.


GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 02, 2006, 12:45:48 AM
Hangtime:

Sounds good.  I'll look for you then.

Incidentally the Aggies Rally in the Valley broadcast is posted in the archives at www.Allinbroadcasting.com.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 02, 2006, 06:57:29 AM
It really is sour grapes to question the officiating. Reason being a loss can never be blamed on one or two plays or players. There were multiple opportunities during the game(every game)to make plays that would have kept DVC from winning, bottom line is , LVC just didn't do it. The DVC crowds could have made a questioned a few calls in the Wilkes game, but instead chose to compliment the Wilkes team on a great game. As I said earlier, it is much better to be on the winning side of such a game, as the Wilkes game gave us a taste of the other side of that coin.

So enough about last week's game, it's on to Moravian, another tough game, on Saturday. Time for the AGGIES D to get back to stopping the running game for what I hear. Hopefully, #11 will be back and that would be a great help for the defense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 02, 2006, 08:21:42 AM
Quote from: FearTheRam on October 02, 2006, 06:57:29 AM
It really is sour grapes to question the officiating.

If so, then DVC's own radio announcer is guilty of "sour grapes" in his post above. He questioned the non-call on Don Marshall.

As well, why can't a win or loss be affected (or even determined) by an official's call, correct or blown? Every ruling by an official has ramifications, both immediate and eventual, for both teams. Otherwise, there's no point in having officials on the field.

Am I saying LVC lost because of the officiating? Absolutely not. Am I saying there was some high strangeness in certain calls? Absolutely yes. (And some of the high strangeness calls went against the Aggies.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 02, 2006, 12:01:01 PM
well done by lvc lets hope the program has turned the corner and will start some winning ways...hangtime your right this dvc team resembles very much the team from a couple of years ago when it seemed every game went down to the wire. a positive is they will not panic being down going into the fourth qtr and i am still a big believer in the qb he is starting to get the ball to the wr's and let them make plays...this team is only to get stronger as the year wears on
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 02, 2006, 01:08:26 PM
What was nice to see, is that all of the MAC games were competitive this week.  The shame is that the parity in the MAC seems to hurt us as a whole...especially if a team loses out of conference....

Warren

Tell the boys to mix in a safety now and again ;)

...Is a dropkick still legal?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 02, 2006, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: bman on October 02, 2006, 01:08:26 PM

Warren

Tell the boys to mix in a safety now and again ;)

...Is a dropkick still legal?

By coincidence, the only other safety I saw LVC score was v. Del Valley in Annville some 20 years ago, and the Dutchmen also lost that game near the end.

If the dropkick isn't still legal, we're wasting a lot of time and effort trying to hire Doug Flutie as an instructor. In fact, we're going very retro these days, what with ordering leather helmets, long-sleeve jerseys, and hightop shoes. As well, the coaches are putting in a series of double- and single-wing plays, along with a variation of the old Knute Rockne "Notre Dame Box" formation. Whatever comes of all this, win or lose, we'll be colorful.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 02, 2006, 03:55:24 PM
Mix in "The Lonely End" and a "Fumblerooskie" and you will be set.  I hear numbers on the jerseys are the latest rage.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 02, 2006, 04:11:36 PM
Quote from: formerwu on October 02, 2006, 03:55:24 PM
Mix in "The Lonely End" and a "Fumblerooskie" and you will be set.  I hear numbers on the jerseys are the latest rage.

Unfortunately, the "Fumblerooski" is now illegal (thanks to those spoil-sports in Indianapolis), though I understand the "Centerooski" is still allowed (the center rolls the ball back between his feet, turns around and picks it up).

We may, however, assay the "Oklahoma Swinging Gate." Numbers? Oh, yeah ... but only on the back, 'bout six inches high.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 02, 2006, 04:17:01 PM
bman:

I assume you heard of the terrible tragedy that hit our Amish brethren in Lancaster County this morning.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 02, 2006, 08:50:21 PM
warren, what an horrific tragedy.....our thoughts and prayers are with all the families...as a parent i dont know how these people can ever get through this
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 04, 2006, 10:47:48 AM
Warren,

Thoughts and prayers out to the people in the area.  That would be the last place you would expect something like that to happen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 04, 2006, 10:51:24 AM
warren,
that was a truely horrific event. Everyone in the LL area felt that shock. Heart goes out to all of the families.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 04, 2006, 07:08:07 PM
Hey i got a question (for the higher ups on this especially), i was reading the around the mid-atlantic, and they have dickinson! at number 4 in the region?! Are they that good? I mean I dont know all that much about them, but it sort of took me back, especially seeing them ahead of teams like del val. Now i know this isnt a CC board, but comments welcome.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2006, 10:18:54 PM
Dickinson is not that good.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 04, 2006, 11:46:47 PM
haha thanks pat
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 05, 2006, 10:35:53 AM
Does anyone have any predictions for this Saturday???  I have never seen this board so dead....even Simba has been quiet about Lyco????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 05, 2006, 11:07:47 AM
Warren

Just got back from travelling....that happened 10 minutes from my house...
We all are in shock...and frankly shaken...since it was so close...

Now I know why the Amish don't want to associate with us...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 05, 2006, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: bman on October 05, 2006, 11:07:47 AM
Warren

Just got back from travelling....that happened 10 minutes from my house...
We all are in shock...and frankly shaken...since it was so close...

Now I know why the Amish don't want to associate with us...
Why do sickos like this have to take other people with them?  Just take yourself out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 05, 2006, 11:29:31 AM
Hey Bman,

I posted this over in the NJAC.  My Dad had a pretty cool idea.  Since Rowan and Widener will start playing each other next year, can we begin a trophy game?  Like the Rt. 322 cup or jug.  How does a trophy game start anyway?

I just sent an email to Coach Accorsi and my AD.  I don't know if it is doable, but I thought I'd pass on the idea.  Sometimes Dad actually has a good idea. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 05, 2006, 02:32:09 PM
How about "The Commodore Barry Cup" or "Just Driving Through to get to Ocean City Jug".

I might run into Coach Wood at Homecoming this weekend.  I'll bring it up to him If I get a chance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 05, 2006, 03:08:41 PM
My Dad a Widener alum (Penn Military) thought that since both were on or next to Rt. 322 and about 20 miles apart, he said cup or jug.  But the Commodore Barry Cup has a nice ring to it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 05, 2006, 04:48:30 PM
JT

I just saw your comment on the NJAC board  thoughts below:
"JT

I like the Idea!  For Chester...A stolen vehicle would be appropriate!  For Rowan, a John Deere tractor would be good...

How about mounting a mini stolen John Deere tractor on a pedestal  ;D"


PS who was Commodore Barry anyway?   Was he on Gilligan's Island? :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 05, 2006, 04:53:11 PM
Quote from: bman on October 05, 2006, 04:48:30 PM
JT

I just saw your comment on the NJAC board  thoughts below:
"JT

I like the Idea!  For Chester...A stolen vehicle would be appropriate!  For Rowan, a John Deere tractor would be good...

How about mounting a mini stolen John Deere tractor on a pedestal  ;D"


PS who was Commodore Barry anyway?   Was he on Gilligan's Island? :)


Commodor John Barry is known as the Father of the US Navy from the Revolutionary War era.  His statue is right on the lawn of Independence Hall in Philly.

At least my Dad is going to stop asking me why they don't schedule each other.

Dad: [every year]  I don't know why they don't play each other.  Their only a half hour apart.  Hell their on the same goddamn road.

JT: [every year] Someday it will come together.  Widener needs more openings, the MAC gives them a full schedule.

Dad: [every year] It just makes sense.  They need to get it done.

JT: [every year] I know Dad.  I know.

The new block schedule for NJAC messed up a 2006 meeting.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 06, 2006, 08:40:16 AM
Dad: [every year]  I don't know why they don't play each other.  Their only a half hour apart.  Hell their on the same goddamn road.

JT: [every year] Someday it will come together.  Widener needs more openings, the MAC gives them a full schedule.

Dad: [every year] It just makes sense.  They need to get it done.

JT: [every year] I know Dad.  I know.


Dad: [every year] Did you take out the trash yet, your mother is on my ass about it.

JT: [every year] No, I didn't Dad.  Why don't you get out of the recliner and do it yourself.

Dad: [every year] Just like a Glassboro State punk, no respect for the code, no respect for the Corps.  Oh I long for the time when a man in uniform can take a broom and walk on the football field at halftime. 

JT: [every year] Mom, Dad's doing it again....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 06, 2006, 01:56:03 PM
classic
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 06, 2006, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: formerwu on October 06, 2006, 08:40:16 AM
Dad: [every year] Just like a Glassboro State punk, no respect for the code, no respect for the Corps.  Oh I long for the time when a man in uniform can take a broom and walk on the football field at halftime. 

You can't grow up with "The Great Santini" [he loves it when I tell people that] and be a punk.  Plus, I'm not the Widener average grad... mid 30's-40's and living at home.

And like Dad says, "The last corps of cadets at PMC, was the last time a real man went to that school."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2006, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: JT on October 06, 2006, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: formerwu on October 06, 2006, 08:40:16 AM
Dad: [every year] Just like a Glassboro State punk, no respect for the code, no respect for the Corps.  Oh I long for the time when a man in uniform can take a broom and walk on the football field at halftime. 

You can't grow up with "The Great Santini" [he loves it when I tell people that] and be a punk.  Plus, I'm not the Widener average grad... mid 30's-40's and living at home.

And like Dad says, "The last corps of cadets at PMC, was the last time a real man went to that school."

I assume from that remark of your father's that at one time PMC allowed their horses on the football field. Or am I missing something? Kindly advise soonest ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 06, 2006, 03:26:54 PM
The "Big" thing at Widener during homecoming is the PMC alums march on the field with brooms.  This is in honor of when we were at war and had no weapons at the school.  All were being used overseas.

JT - is the back of your head flat from the basketball being bounced off of it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2006, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: formerwu on October 06, 2006, 03:26:54 PM
The "Big" thing at Widener during homecoming is the PMC alums march on the field with brooms.  This is in honor of when we were at war and had no weapons at the school.  All were being used overseas.

formerwu:

That's a nice custom, honoring, as it does, the history and heritage of the institution.

I've been connected with LVC long enough remember when the Dutchmen played the all-male red-and-gold of PMC. (Sadly, the cadets never brought the horses to Lebanon or Annville. They might have made for an interesting half-time show. ;))
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 06, 2006, 08:53:14 PM
Tomorrow's Homecoming in Doylestown.  But if you can't come home, you can at least listen to the football game...

Delaware Valley
vrs
Moravian

Pregame coverage begins at 12:40 pm with kickoff at 1 pm on www.AllinBroadcasting.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 06, 2006, 09:48:59 PM
come on g.a. give the boys from l'ville fits!! middle tenn. st. hanging tough with them....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 07, 2006, 03:22:26 PM
Well, here I am in Portland, Oregon, listening to the Wilkes - Lycoming game and things are not going well for the lads from Williamsport.

My initial reactions to the game - currently 30 - 7 in favor of Wilkes - is that Wilkes has a dominating front four on defense and truly used the bye week well to study game field.  There were many times on both sides of the ball that the Colonels seemed to know exactly what defense or offense to call.

That said.  I saw Lycoming play Wilkes last year and it was a close, hard-fought won battle by Wilkes.  They looked for real then and they sound for real now.

Congrats to the Colonels - I hope they can win it all and represent the MAC in the NCAAs.

As for Lycoming - my sense is that they do not quite have a true running game and most of MAC football is run-based to set up the pass.

All Lyco fans were very spoiled by the talent of the mid to late 1990s that enabled the Warriors to effectively stand with some of the very best programs in D3 nation-wide.  All Lyco fans miss those teams but still bleed blue and gold with today's Warriors.

Thanks for the text msgs last week Simba!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 07, 2006, 03:23:29 PM
should read "game film" vice "game field."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 07, 2006, 07:18:33 PM
yeowzah.....dvc certainly took care of business today....looks like isgro is getting experience and looking down field and connected with those 2 all star wr's......heres hoping we keep it up!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 07, 2006, 10:13:13 PM
Up, although Isgro played well(both passing and running the ball) how about some props for my man Shef-he had a real nice run and threw a TD pass!! In ally the offense did some pretty nice things today--although we need those PAT's that could come back and haunt us down the road. Need all phases of the game to come together to make a run here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on October 08, 2006, 12:47:58 PM
Wilkes looked great yesterday defeating Lycoming, despite 10 or so penalties. Defense limited the Warriors to 120 net yards. Wilkes was pinned inside the 5 twice by the Lyco punter and this kept it close in the 1H. 2H Wilkes offense started moving, mixing pass & run and scored 27 points.

"Puritan" Pcole (just kidding) will be happy to know Wilkes installed fences to keep spectators away from the endzone, had extra security, and minimized the drinking in the parking lot.  I think they went overboard as they were making adults act like underage highschoolers ,hiding their beverage of choice in cups, making them dump the BOC out and generally lurking around the larger tailgate groups.

The students were well behaved, and while I spent most of my time in the stands I did not hear any foul language or notice any "mobs" of students acting in a particularly nasty way. (it was Homecoming)

I believe Wilkes should and will keep the fences up ( it didn't detract from the atmosphere). I think they need to find a balance regarding pre game tailgates and have the security folks provide a safe and fun game day experience. Allow adults (over 21) to have a few BOCs in a responsible manner, make sure traffic & parking is flowing and keep the really nasty stuff from occurring. We'll see how it goes on a non homecoming weekend.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on October 08, 2006, 01:10:13 PM
Oh yeah, the students had a nice banner showing how they are D3football.com's favorite student body..

Keep posting about their rowdy behavior and World New Report or Princeton Review or whoever rates school's will include Wilkes in the Top 20 party schools..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 08, 2006, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: Grizzman on October 08, 2006, 01:10:13 PM

Keep posting about their rowdy behavior and ... whoever rates school's will include Wilkes in the Top 20 party schools..

You mean Wilkes isn't already on that list? .... :P

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on October 08, 2006, 11:09:37 PM

You mean Wilkes isn't already on that list?


in D3 only, although I'm sure other MAC, NJAC, LL, E8 , Centennial etc schools can give them a run for their money.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 09, 2006, 11:42:18 AM
Was at the Widener Homecoming this weekend.  WU looked good.  Keep rolling
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 09, 2006, 07:45:43 PM
So what's the scoop on Albright? It seems WU handled them pretty well, although their QB threw for over 300 yards. How about a little info...will the Aggies be in for another dog fight? ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 09, 2006, 10:43:54 PM
Saturday's broadcast of Del Val-Moravian -- also known as the "David Carmon and Don Marshall Show" -- is posted in the archives of www.AllinBroadcasting.com for those who are interested.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 10, 2006, 09:02:33 AM
Fear - From what I saw, Widener had their way with them.  Didn't see much of the 2nd half due to Homecoming beer drinking.  I've seen far worse teams from Albright, but this years team can get you if you are looking past them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 10, 2006, 09:18:22 AM
Fear, I attended the Widener game also.  Widener manhandled Albright the whole way through. Most of the yards gained by Alb were "gimme yards" before half, and against Wideners second D.  Albright could shock some people, but it seems as if they are plagued by the injury bug.  Their starting Corner did not play this week, their best defensive player has played sparingly the pas two weeks, and I have no idea what happened to two of their wideouts from last season.  They looked like they could have been something special this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 10, 2006, 04:00:06 PM
uPBRmeASAP, Gordon

You guys missed some good chow last Saturday!!  But it was a breakout game for Del Val. I am expecting to see more of the same this week as the "O" and :D: were gelling last week.  Kevin Bliss and Matt Murphy with their 2 and 1 picks respectively were outstanding along with the play selection and execution. Congrats to the "O" line as I have been on their case all season so far. They did a good job. Hope to see more this week. The AA wide receivers showed everyone why they have the titles, they are outstanding.  Just have to get the special team back on track...

Dont know where we will be tailgating this week but Up and Gordon, always welcome if you stumble upon us!


GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 10, 2006, 09:56:07 PM
TheOriginalUpState's Eastern Regional Rankings:

1) Cortland (6-0): Cortland has too much balance this year for Rowan
2) St. John Fisher (6-0): Still two key E8 games left
3) Rowan (3-1): Not impressing anyone
4) Wilkes (5-0): Running the table in the MAC is not easy
5) Hobart (4-0): Squeeking out wins left and right
6) Springfield (5-0): Option can take down anyone in the East
7) Ithaca (5-1): Still have a great chance for the NCAA's w/ SC at home
Del-Val (4-1): Young, improving QB could lead them to a Pool C
9) Alfred (4-1): This team will spoil someones playoff hopes (IC, SJF, Bart)
10) Union (4-1): Too many close games for a team w/ this much talent

Honorable Mention:
Kings (4-1): Gone 4-0 since getting pounded by SJF
RPI (3-2): Everyone wants to play their D, but NO ONE wants to play this O
Montclair (4-1): Quietly having a solid season
Curry (6-0): Grant it, its Curry but they are still 6-0
Rochester (3-2): Playing well but havent put it all together vs Good teams
West Conn (4-1): Lost to Rowan by 7, game vs Cortland will be a good measuring stick.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 12, 2006, 08:49:43 PM
uPBRmeASAP....Del Val Looking to see them roll again at Albright this Saturday. The QB is getting more experience and line is clicking and the "D" is awesome. Looking to ruin yet another "Homecoming"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 13, 2006, 07:43:06 AM
they should take care of business this weekend and go about business....i think isgro is turning the corner and really starting to see all of the field and recognize coverages right now and know where to go with the ball. plus he will only get more confident in the wr's making plays. gordon will the game be streamed over the net again this weekend?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 13, 2006, 06:54:41 PM
Up:

Yep, I'll post the info in a little bit.

For now I'm writing on another subject.  Someone tipped me off to the following editorial that ran in the Sunbury (Pa.) Daily Item.

http://www.dailyitem.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061013/SPORTS02/610130324/-1/SPORTS

It addresses the struggles of Susquehanna's program over the past few years.  Along the way it takes a shot at Delaware Valley and other unamed programs:

"There is no question that G.A. Mangus established himself as a keen recruiter and an offensive whiz in taking the Aggies, who previously hadn't had a winning season since 1985, to consecutive NCAA Division III quarterfinals.

But there also was an adjustment in the Delaware Valley admissions department. It seemed to most other league coaches that there was an open-door policy.

Wide open. Same at a couple of others schools."

The writer offers no evidence to back up the accusations.  No review of recent classes' entrance statistics, which aren't that hard to obtain, to see if the average SAT score or GPA of an incoming student has dropped while the football team has improved.  No comparisons of Susquehanna's academic statistics with the other MAC schools.

There's no response from DVC, leaving me to wonder if they were called.  If you're going to slam a college like this, shouldn't they at least have a chance to respond?

And while the editorial cites "most other league coaches" not a single one is quoted.  While I suspect the author's opinion comes from conversations with someone -- it's doubtful a Sunbury newspaper writer has much independent knowledge about the inner workings of Delaware Valley College -- apparently no one was willing to state the case against Del Val on the record.

Leaving all that aside, the author doesn't provide much insight into Susquehanna's situation.  The piece cites injuries which just about every program in the country could claim at some point.  It ignores the tremendous recruiting advantage that Susquehanna's spectacular facility provides.  And it glosses over the fact that Susquehanna since 2000 is 8-15 (.348) against Lycoming, Juniata, Moravian and Centennial Conference members -- the ones that the writer mentions or implies have higher academic standards like Susquehanna.

Let me be clear -- I really like the people at Susquehanna.  Their SID does a tremendous job.  Briggs is one of my favorite coaches to speak to in any part of Division III.  And as I've told several people on- and off-line, I'm really going to miss the trips to Selinsgrove.

But this piece isn't researched or sourced well enough to substantiate the claims it makes.  I hope Susquehanna's athletics department didn't have a role in it.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2006, 07:15:32 PM
Hmm -- sounds like Mr. Small-town Sports Editor took some off-the-record/background griping and turned it into a "story."

This really should be marked as a column. I can only hope it was in the actual paper.

Meanwhile, I took the opportunity afforded on the paper's site to send feedback. It was as follows:

QuoteHmm ... interesting allegations. Any actual facts regarding Delaware Valley and your unnamed "couple of others [sic] schools" to throw in?

Whatever happened to calling for comment? Presenting both sides of a story? Or, if this is a column, whatever happened to saying so?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 13, 2006, 09:23:30 PM
After reading this piece of garbage it is more than obvious he has a axe to grind with DVC. Where do i start? First off i printed out the story and its now being used in my cats litter box. I agree totally with you both Pat and Gordon. He takes numerous pot shots at DVC and Mangus. There seems to be no attempt to get any kind of facts or comment from DVC. Yet he names DVC and Mangus and calls them out by name but also states " Wide open. Same at a couple of others schools." Well what other schools you named DVC and Mangus why not the others?! Then he almost contradicts himself in how he whines about schools lowering statdards to get better athletes but then says "Susquehanna has played many close games in recent years but made mistakes at crucial times to turn a potential win into a loss. The penalties, turnovers and missed tackles are a direct reflection of the coaching staff" and talks about how hard SU's coach has recruited certain markets for better players. Well to me the above sounds like the talent level was the same it was just the players and coaches making mental mistakes not a real difference in talent levels so which is it? I did reply to him should be interesting to see what i get back(I was a little harsh...) but if someone wrote that piece of garbage and tried to send it over my companies newswire or television station(never would of happend editors would of freaked) they would be looking for new work at the end of the day. I have seen high school kids do much more research into stories. I truly hope no one from SU was involved in this because it is nothing but sour grapes against DVC pure and simple.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 13, 2006, 11:22:24 PM
As requested before, tomorrow's Aggies game will be on the internet...

Delaware Valley
versus
Albright

Pregame coverage is 12:40 with kickoff at 1 PM on www.AllinBroadcasting.com.

NOTE:  If you tune into the game and it doesn't sound like me, it's because you have the Albright broadcast which is also through the same site.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 14, 2006, 07:12:49 AM
Posters,
Pursuant to the newspaper article with assertions that DVC instituted an open door admission policy for football players peaked my interest.  I think I can safely say that when DVC went from worst to first, in such a short period of time, many folks in the MAC suspected that some changes where made in their admissions policies.  With this being said, it's one thing to suspect this and another to make the statement as a given in newsprint.  I agree, DVC officials should have been given an opportunity to address these assertions.  I'm sure over the years some MAC schools have made exceptions in their admissions/financial aid policies to attract a specific ballplayer and hopefully strengthen their program.  With that in mind, that's a far different scenario than just changing admission policies across the board for football players.  As I recall, this topic was visited last season and it angered many of the DVC posters.  Now the question is, did they or didn't they?  And if they did, why is everybody catchin up? Did other schools change their admissions policies to be competitive or did DVC change their alleged admission policy again?  Commentary please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 14, 2006, 10:14:40 AM
On today's broadcast, right now the game is posted on AllinBroadcasting.com as Delaware Valley vs. Moravian.

We're working to get that fixed.  I can assure you will cover today's game, not air a replay of last week. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 15, 2006, 11:43:37 AM
Posters,
Another example of parity, Wilkes 13 - LVC 10.  You look at the LVC team and look at their record and you say mediocre at best.  You look how they played DVC and Wilkes and you realize this is a helluva team.  The biggest difference from years past, is the D and a seasoned and effective O line.  These kids have the abilty to compete and come to play.  When Kelly(QB) and Brossman(WR) are 100%, they are scoring machines, as good as it gets in D3 football.  From the parity perspective, I think after this season, it will be awhile before we see this occurance again.  Enjoy, no givens this season on any Saturday for any team!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 15, 2006, 11:54:40 AM
I am curious about the article too and would suggest, if any serious inquiry would examine the graduation rates of the Mangus/DVC era.  I am a big believer in giving people a chance to prove themselves.  If DVC altered their admissions policy to access talented football players who were marginal students and they graduated - where's the beef?  However, it is quite another thing if DVC and Mangus rode the backs of these players to successes (and then left town as did Mangus) and these athletes were left in the dust of the school's and team's success without the sheepskin.

D3 schools give students who might not be able to gain acceptance into Ivy League level schools an opportunity to mature, learn and prepare for future successes.  This is true for the non-athlete too.

It is quite another thing to be a rank opportunist.  One of the most impressive things about Penn State and Notre Dame is that their football players graduate - usually within their eligibility.  After all, for most college football players, life - real life - begins with the last whistle.  That's truly when the game gets interesting - not just the antics on the gridiron.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2006, 12:25:05 PM
Lyco:

From what I've seen having been around the program for three years, Del Val is graduating its players.  There have been a couple players who have transferred but that probably has more to do with playing opportunities than anything else.

I can't think of many instances in which a player came in, made a big impact and then had to leave school for academic reasons after a year or two.  It certainly hasn't happened more at Del Val than at any other school I've seen, including the NESCAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2006, 05:38:12 PM
The Del Val broadcast from yesterday's Delaware Valley/Albright football game is posted online here:

http://www.broadcastmonsters.com/Delvalley/delvalley101406.asx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 15, 2006, 05:53:09 PM
GM you are quite right, with but a few exceptions, all GA's players have remained in school working towards their degrees. As for this team or program being used by him, I'd say it was mutual. They went from the perennial doormat of the MAC to one of it's most feared teams. In the process giving some excellent young men the opportunity to get an education. Who loses there? As for the article it's just one more example of sour grapes. It's quite obvious that even with all it's talent, all teams are competitive with DVC. Read between the lines of that article to see the real pot-shot taken there.

As for LVC they have some talent, just not quite enough.

Congrats to the Aggies for overcoming a somewhat undisciplined and unfocused performance to win once again. Hopefully, they will come out ready to play this coming Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 15, 2006, 09:29:39 PM
About the article -
I've posted many times about this here, but we'll soon see which schools put their money where their mouth is academically...
I don't think we're far off from a MAC where each school will know EXACTLY what the others are doing when it comes to admissions....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FisherAlum05 on October 15, 2006, 10:23:50 PM
what chance realistically does Kings have at winning the conference and the automatic bid??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2006, 10:40:23 PM
We'll know more starting this week with their trip to Widener.

They are 5-0 in the MAC but their opponents have a combined conference record of 7-14 excluding the loses to the Monarchs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2006, 10:45:26 PM
Quote from: bill on October 15, 2006, 09:29:39 PM
About the article -
I've posted many times about this here, but we'll soon see which schools put their money where their mouth is academically...

In what sense?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 16, 2006, 09:22:32 AM
hey warren, you guys(LVC) couldnt hold on a little bit longer and help the dvc crew out this weekend... :'(      btw well done to lvc seriously to play wilkes that tough....i know its stinks losing another close game but hopefully this is a sign that lvc is turning the corner
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on October 16, 2006, 11:40:53 AM
I know for a fact that several MAC schools have football players enrolled that couldn't get into the rest.  BUT, I don't necessarily consider that a negative.  I think schools should accept marginal students, as long as it is done across the board.  Let some marginal students in, once they are in school it is up to them to get the grades.  These are the type of kids that need a chance.
DV specifically has been accused of letting in players who wouldn't be able to make it into other MAC schools.  DV has had very good teams the last few years, but if you look at a lot of their scores you'll notice that they aren't blowing teams out.  In fact, they are winning many of their games in the last minutes.  So if they are letting in suspect student-athletes, it really isn't putting them that far ahead of the other schools.
Finally, every football program would lower admissions criteria if their administration would let them.  They only whine about it because they can't.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 16, 2006, 01:42:52 PM
Pat

I know I was a bit vague back there, but let's just say I'm not at liberty to divulge anything more...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 16, 2006, 02:56:23 PM
One wonders if Mr. Housenick will be in Doylestown for the DVC-Susquehanna game on Saturday?  Several weeks ago on the nightly news, the station did a profile on Shenandoha University - stating that they were always a good little liberal arts school majoring in music, but the student body was diminishing - costs, admission criterea, etc., so they lowered their requirements, took in many more students, made sure they carried at least a "C"  average, and asked that they assimilate themselves into the student body.  They met all requirements, and two years ago the Aggies met them in a post season game.  Nothing sinister, no wrongs, just ALL good!  Many of them were thrilled to not only be in college, but playing football & an instrument!  Sorry for the spelling errors, and i just hope that others saw the same news cast.  i'm certainly not saying that this is what Del Val is doing cause i do not know - all i know for certain is that the atmosphere at DVC is GREAT!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 16, 2006, 03:28:51 PM
kate that would mean he would have to come down out of his white castle....i am not sure the w(h)ine and cheese served in the doylestown area is up to his standards....he would have to come and be seen with the people on the "other" side of the tracks and not up to susquehanna qualifications.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 16, 2006, 04:26:24 PM
My guess is he's alluding to the rumor that the MAC will be requring a set GPA for student athletes to be eligible to play. Once again to JM, you don't know anything for "a fact" without some sort of proof. I doubt that you are privy to such personal information on students.

And once again, may I remind the posters that just like last year, this has nothing to do with football so let's get back on the right subject!

Go Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 16, 2006, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: FearTheRam on October 16, 2006, 04:26:24 PM
[M]ay I remind the posters that ... this has nothing to do with football, so let's get back on the right subject.

If -- repeat, if -- the MAC institutes a "set GPA for athletes to be eligible to play," it certainly will have something to do with football and all other MAC sports. How could it not?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 16, 2006, 06:39:23 PM
there are eligibility requirements set in by nc2a, i feel as if posters are questioning admissions rather then performance while at college. there are going to be differences between admission requirements from all schools, it's the nature of the beast. and as said by other posters, i do not feel there is a problem with people coming in to win a championship and leaving within a year or two. most schools have kids and keep them (dvc included), honestly, i think it is a cop-out, sorry. the difference, i am assuming, comes from the colleges administration and their dedication to the athletic programs, the schools who are willing to hand out more grants and academic scholarships attract more players. from what i have seen is a large dedication to football from the dvc community, and success has endured, kudo's to them, i feel that kind of support is what each school needs, dvc is a great model of change.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 16, 2006, 07:10:24 PM
Quote from: Dynasty07 on October 16, 2006, 06:39:23 PM
there are eligibility requirements set in by nc2a, i feel as if posters are questioning admissions rather then performance while at college. there are going to be differences between admission requirements from all schools, it's the nature of the beast. and as said by other posters, i do not feel there is a problem with people coming in to win a championship and leaving within a year or two. most schools have kids and keep them (dvc included), honestly, i think it is a cop-out, sorry. the difference, i am assuming, comes from the colleges administration and their dedication to the athletic programs, the schools who are willing to hand out more grants and academic scholarships attract more players. from what i have seen is a large dedication to football from the dvc community, and success has endured, kudo's to them, i feel that kind of support is what each school needs, dvc is a great model of change.

I'm not taking sides on this issue. Yet if athletic eligibility is contingent on classroom performance, then does it not hinge on the rigor of an individual faculty member? That is, one faculty member's D or D- or F just might be another's C- or C or C+. Right?

Aren't some professors "easy" graders -- sometimes laughably so -- while others are more stringent and demanding? In my own experience in higher education, I'd say this is the case, and that some institutions countenance this and some clearly do not.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 16, 2006, 07:26:28 PM
WT that is an "if" right now and is not exactly what the original topic pertained to. The original post was concerning admission standards--which may or may not cooralate to classroom performance. As for GPA/eligibility we can discuss that further if and when it becomes official, right now it's merely a rumor. As for your other point, a good one, it does indeed come down to the grading policies of not only the institution but also individual professors. That however, is a double-edged sword, as while some profs give athletes an easy route, there are just as many who dislike athletes and would prefer to not have them in their class at all and therefor, grade them harder.

So, besides their academics what does Susquhanna bring to the field in the way of football?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 16, 2006, 09:06:49 PM
Posters,
Not pointing a finger at any program, but if MAC schools do not show parity across the board in admission standards for athletes, the schools that are less stringent certainly enjoy a big competitive edge in fielding a better athletic product.  The truth is when comparing the value of any MAC school's education, all are pretty much comparable.  Keep in mind that football players are going to make up a very small percentage of the total student body.  Many football players are academically competitive, particularly in the MAC.  I can speak firsthand of this in that my oldest son was a reasonably good QB in the MAC, and is currently in his final year at a nationally recognized law school in the top 15% of his class.  So even if a school lowers it's standards to attract several ball players, it will have a limited to nill impact as far as the academic product it produces.  All MAC schools produce it's share of Dr.'s, Lawyers, and Indian Chiefs!  Yes, there have been instances at some MAC schools where borderline student/athletes were brought in to produce a better athletic product.  My knowledge of this happening was at a school in the MAC, other than DVC.  I like many others suspected this MIGHT have happened at DVC when then went from worst to first in such a short time frame.  BUT I do not know if this did happen.  Suspicions and truth many times differ!  LVC's "SUCCESS" in producing a better product could probably be questioned by some.  It is obvious administration at LVC has taken a different tact than they have historically.  Remember, Coach Monas was there before, and was canned for supposed nonproduction.  The truth is Coach Monas has been and is a super and knowledgeable coach. However if the school will not support the program to at least be competitive with other league schools, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.  It appears the school has made appropriate changes in additional coaching staff and bringing more kids into the program on a yearly basis.  Historically it had appeared that was an issue at "The Valley".  They always would have a handful of kids that had the skill level to play at any MAC school but not enough of them.  Readers Digest version, you get the players you win, you don't you lose.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on October 16, 2006, 09:54:04 PM
Fear The Ram,
When I ask certain recruiters why they didn't get players that are on other school's rosters and they tell me it's because they couldn't get past admissions, then I think I have pretty reliable info.  And no I'm not going to mention which recruiters and which schools, I wouldn't let them hang out to dry like that.

Now I really don't care if you believe me.  Like I said before, I don't think letting marginal kids in is a problem.  It's not necessarily a bad thing.  Why do we talk about it as if someone is cheating?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2006, 12:42:50 AM
Quote from: john merrick on October 16, 2006, 09:54:04 PM
Fear The Ram,
When I ask certain recruiters why they didn't get players that are on other school's rosters and they tell me it's because they couldn't get past admissions, then I think I have pretty reliable info. 

Yeah. Sure. That's reliable?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on October 17, 2006, 07:02:03 AM
Pat,
I'm not trying to prove anything to you.  It's a commonly known fact that some MAC schools don't have the same admissions requirements as others.  Personally I could care less.  Like I've said before, I think marginal students should be given a chance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 17, 2006, 07:46:56 AM
JM i think everyones point is do you really take the recruiters at their word? there are lots of obvious reasons why a student/athlete may not go to a certain school...academics absolutely....but also could be may be the recruiter was beaten out by another recruiter plan and simple and its a easy crutch to say "they couldnt get in because of admissions..." lots of other reasons as well why a person may choose to go to another school other than admissions....before you get your knickers in a bunch i am not saying you dont know these recruiters well enough to take them at their word but coaches are competitive people as well and its not easy to admit you lost a prize recruit for any reason but it could be conceivably be a little easier to tell people "they couldnt get in here due to our high admission standards..." but i do agree with most of your post jm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on October 17, 2006, 08:33:55 AM
uPBRmeASAP,
Thanks for your input.  You make a good point.  It would be very easy for a recruiter to say that they couldn't get a kid in because of admissions.  One last question though before I let this topic die. 

Do most of the posters on this board (Pat included) believe that every MAC school has the same admissions requirements?  If you answer no, then you are agreeing with me.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 17, 2006, 08:50:50 AM
JM your case would be thrown out of court in a heartbeat! You proved my point. Your "proof" is hearsay, and unless you've personally seen the kids' transcripts than you shouldn't be spreading rumor and inunendo. If however, it makes you feel better about your school's lack of success to blame it on another's admissions policies than who am I to burst your bubble.

MOJO you've made some excellent points in your post and obviously are not bitter and trying to grind your axe at DVC's expense. Admissions in the MAC are just like every other school in ever other conference, they are made on a case-by-case basis the reasons one kid gets in versus another is totally up to the individual admissions officer. Additionally, the choice is up to the player when multiple offers are on the table, their reasons for choosing one over the other are varied, but I can tell you that my son received more of a package from DVC than 2 other MAC school's that were recruiting him(yes one was the vaunted LVC)that and the fact that GA was there sealed the deal. PS he's very glad he made that choice even though GA moved on.

So I still haven't gotten any feedback on the strengths and weaknesses of Susquhanna.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 17, 2006, 09:02:37 AM
Quote from: FearTheRam on October 17, 2006, 08:50:50 AM
... the vaunted LVC ... [?]

Exactly who is "vaunting" LVC?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on October 17, 2006, 09:16:46 AM
FearTheRam,
My schools success or lack there of has no bearing on the argument.  As I have said now, 4 times at least?  I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH RECRUITING MARGINAL STUDENT/ATHLETES.  I WISH ALL SCHOOLS WOULD DO MORE OF IT.  And also notice, I haven't stated that DV does that, only that they have been accused of it.  So, get your facts straight.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 17, 2006, 10:34:28 AM
LOL Warren !!! your boyz couldnt hold the fort this past weekend !! rats couldnt help your dvc brethren out!!  lvc has some good things going on not that is any consoliation for you
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 17, 2006, 10:47:48 AM
Getting it straight here - it's Shenandoah University in Winchester, Virginia - a great performing arts college!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 17, 2006, 11:54:44 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 17, 2006, 10:34:28 AM
LOL Warren !!! your boyz couldnt hold the fort this past weekend !! rats couldnt help your dvc brethren out!!  lvc has some good things going on not that is any consoliation for you

Well, this Valley did its best to help out your Valley. Close, but just not
quite enough. The Wilkes coach was quoted as saying after the game: "I'm just happy to get the hell out of here [Annville] with a win."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2006, 01:22:22 PM
Warren

I will "Vaunt" LVC if you want me too... ;D

I don't want to get in on this discussion (it's old/tired), but there was significant public debate over this exact thing in the NESCAC a few years back, over coaches exemptions to the admissions process for hockey and a few other sports.

Point being, regardless how much no one wants to admit it, it happens at every school to some degree...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2006, 01:49:23 PM
No, not every school has the same admissions requirements, stating the obvious.

No, not every recruiter tells the truth as to why his school didn't get a particular kid. Admissions policy is a convenient scapegoat, being a closed process and all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 17, 2006, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: bman on October 17, 2006, 01:22:22 PM
Warren

I will "Vaunt" LVC if you want me too... ;D


OK "vaunt" away, but only "vaunce."  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on October 17, 2006, 02:49:53 PM
Pat,
Then how can you argue my point?  I'm flabbergasted!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 17, 2006, 04:31:43 PM
Who said this board is dead???  Me for one.  Can we talk MAC football here??  This admissions, recruitment, marginal academic players and ALL Academic players thing was beat to death last year ad nauseum.  Can we move on???

Is anyone going to pull for any team to knock off Wilkes this year to make the MAC race really interesting?

The Aggies take on Susquehanna this Saturday and I hope that the "O" line show up at least one more time this year. The Aggies had a win last week at Albright but it was ugly. Turnovers will cost you a ballgame and they had their share of them. Then again did the Aggies figure this was a 1-4 team and look past them?? In anyevent I am sure they did their best at the time.
However, here we go again, the play calling again was sub standard, IN MY OPINION ONLY!!!!
When the off tackle left and right dosent  work why do you continue to run it?  When the screen pass hasnt worked all day why do you run it on 4th and 5???  There is so much talent on this team I dont understand why the "O" line looks so bad this year. If they would hold their blocks the QB can connect with the AA wideouts for many yards and scores and I know you also need a running game. That would allow the running game to open things up a bit.  Last Saturday against Albright , they were only rushing a three man front and the line still could not hold them, I dont get it, maybe I never will. Then again with 8 men in the box they continued to run the ball without much success. Come on guys please step it up.

I overheard a remark that the Del Val parents were spoiled over the last three years...this is true, look at the record and these same players have been playing together for 2, 3 and now 4 years. The talent is there, I think they need to be turned loose as these players know how to win ball games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 18, 2006, 09:07:09 AM
uPBRmeASAP.....cant make the game this week, have a family wedding to attend. Can you imagine anyone scheduling a wedding during football season???? Some Nerve!!

I see you are still in good standing with the Karma Gods and this is late in the season.  Hope to catch you at the Juniata game.

GO AGGIES....GO WIDENER this week!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 18, 2006, 02:42:23 PM
hangtime...poor planning indeed!!  hopefully the boys from dvc have a solid showing this weekend and keep improving week to week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on October 18, 2006, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: HANGTIME on October 17, 2006, 04:31:43 PM
Who said this board is dead???  Me for one.  Can we talk MAC football here??  This admissions, recruitment, marginal academic players and ALL Academic players thing was beat to death last year ad nauseum.  Can we move on???

Is anyone going to pull for any team to knock off Wilkes this year to make the MAC race really interesting?


Hangtime, i dont think anyone else who plays Wilkes can knock them off, LVC was the last real test. However i think it would be intresting if Kings were to win out (not likely) and the final game o fthe season would be Wilkes vs Kings for the MAC Champ, Mayors Cup, NCAA Bid, and Braging rights....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 18, 2006, 04:23:48 PM
WUMAC:

How nice to hear that "LVC was the last real test" for Wilkes. It's been a while since the Dutchmen were able to "test" anyone. Jim Monos and staff are changing all that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 18, 2006, 05:43:45 PM
Warren,
Pursuant to your comments concerning LVC, I agree.  However with that being said, I think Jim Monas has always been a great coach, as was Mike Sellichia.  I think the biggest difference with the LVC program is administration has given the current coaching staff things they would not give in the past.  Allowing the coach to be more successful.  Mona's is not a better coach today then when he got canned for supposed nonproduction.  Sellichia got caught in the same dilemma.  It's obvious that administration currently gives more support to the program than they have given in the past.  The results are a much more competitive program and a much better product on the field.  Commentary please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 18, 2006, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: MOJO on October 18, 2006, 05:43:45 PM

It's obvious that [the current] administration ... gives more support to the program than they have given in the past.  The results are a much more competitive program and a much better product on the field.

That certainly seems to be the case, though I'm not all that intimate with the athletic ins-and-outs. Whatever, LVC football does appear to be on the way up (given the competition, and discounting the blanking by Kings, the Dutchmen just might be a very good 3-4 team at this stage in the season and certainly one with a chance at a winning season -- and it's been many a year since that happened: Monos coached them to a 7-3 record back in the late 80s or early 90s, as I recall).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 18, 2006, 06:15:56 PM
A question for all those who know:

What are the practice times vs. class schedules like at other MAC schools? For example, is there "athletic priority scheduling"? i.e., if you play football, you won't have classes scheduled after 2:00.
There are a number of D3 schools that do this. I know that FDU does not. For years, FDU has had to cut practice short because of classes, or have lots of players missing after/until certain times....
FDU has a lot of classes at 5:25 and 8:30 at night. While 8:30 may not be a problem, 5:25 is obviously a HUGE problem.  With the exception of Kings, I don't think any MAC schools have more than 3 full time coaches. Most have to wait until 3-3:30 to even start practice, so that the rest of the staff can be there...
At FDU, it would be a help if the kids didn't have to take night classes.
Do any other MAC schools have this problem?
Just curious...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on October 19, 2006, 03:07:22 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 18, 2006, 04:23:48 PM
WUMAC:

How nice to hear that "LVC was the last real test" for Wilkes. It's been a while since the Dutchmen were able to "test" anyone. Jim Monos and staff are changing all that.

Hey most of there games past two years have been very close for what that program was, you can hear it first from me LVC will be top 3 in mac next year, in front of wilkes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 19, 2006, 01:25:30 PM
hey pat did you ever hear back from that guy the other day re: dvc and admissions and other schools and his crying about susquehanna?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 19, 2006, 02:58:55 PM
bill- yes other schools have that problem
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 19, 2006, 03:25:06 PM
Dynasty
Thanks for the reply...What schools? Can you be more specific? Are there other problems that you are aware of?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 19, 2006, 05:35:18 PM
Bill, D-III institutions don't give athletic scholarships and thus can't make the same demands on athletes as those who do. Therefor, all students/athletes at D-III schools are students first and coaches must accept that. Additionally, depending upon a students progress towards their major some classes are only offered at certain times and are required credits toward that degree.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 19, 2006, 06:41:19 PM
Quote from: WUMAC on October 19, 2006, 03:07:22 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 18, 2006, 04:23:48 PM
WUMAC:

How nice to hear that "LVC was the last real test" for Wilkes. It's been a while since the Dutchmen were able to "test" anyone. Jim Monos and staff are changing all that.


... you can hear it first from me LVC will be top 3 in mac next year, in front of Wilkes.

Many thanks for your kind words, but in front of Wilkes in 2007? Mercy!.

At the same time, I hope you haven't just put the hex on the Valley because we lose QB Dan Kelly after the current season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 19, 2006, 08:24:19 PM
Ram

I did coach at D3 for 8 years, and 1-aa for 4 years...I am well aware of the scholastic demands placed upon students. However, I am aware of several schools that do have athletic priority scheduling. What I mean is, let 's say there are 2 sections of English lit. One is offered M,W,F at 9:10 am,  and the other is offered at 5:25 on T and Th. The schools that allow the athlete to be placed in the 9:10 class have a nice situation, because then the player won't have to miss practice. If there's one class they need, and it's only offered at 5:25, so be it...
This happens to be a particular situation at FDU. I just want to know what other issues some of the MAC brethren go through...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 20, 2006, 12:01:37 PM
formerwu

What's your call for this weekend against Kings?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 20, 2006, 07:37:04 PM
Bill - I know that you are very well informed on academic/atheletic conflicts at FDU . ;) Hopefully I can shed some light on another team  in the MAC that also struggles with this situation. I know that for many years WU has practiced late on Tuesday nights ( 8:00 - 10:00) in order not to interfere with student labs. Furthermore, athletes are not allowed to miss any classes due to athletics. The coaches have worked the practices schedules in order to cause less conflict. Meaning many night practices and adjusting the practice times daily depending on academic functions. It has only become a major problem in two situations. First, JV players that have class on Mondays come late or miss games altogether so they will not receive a zero for any work done that day. Secondly, If a Prof. schedules a study group, guest speaker or out of class activity outside of the normal class time they can still consider it mandatory. Meaning those players must now chose between a practice or game (in other sports) and receiving a zero.

Bman - King's is 5 -1 but they have only played one good football team this year, and SJF beat them pretty good. I think WU has played better competition and should be more prepared for this game.

What does everyone think about WU just changing the nickname.  ??? For those who do not know they are not the PIONEERS anymore. They are now the WU PRIDE.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 20, 2006, 07:53:07 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 20, 2006, 07:37:04 PM
For those who do not know, [Widener is no longer known as] the PIONEERS .... They are now the WU PRIDE.

But why? What was wrong with "Pioneers"?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 20, 2006, 08:08:57 PM
Rumor has it that the City of Chester asked the University to change the Mascot because it was somehow offensive to its cities population. ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 20, 2006, 09:08:59 PM
In that spirit, if you can't make the game tomorrow tune in for...

Delaware Valley Conestoga Wagon Wheels
vrs
Susquehanna Rivermen

Kickoff is 1 PM, pregame begins at 12:40 pm on www.AllinBroadcasting.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 20, 2006, 10:10:44 PM
WUDline

Thanks for the input. It's obviously a great advantage  to have lights, so that the night practice is a possibility...Maybe FDU will actually get the lights approved and installed by the spring semester, so they too can work around class schedules better...
On a side note - what's up with these schools having night classes anyway?
Many moons ago, when I was in school, I couldn't take a class later than 3:00 if I tried!

The Pride? That is interesting...I wonder if the local lion family at the Phila. Zoo will be offended  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 20, 2006, 10:10:54 PM
WUDLINE

I can tell you that that policy almost cost me a letter in another sport, so that the policy is not limited to football....
I have not heard of the mascot issue, although honestly I have not been able to make a game this year...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 20, 2006, 10:20:21 PM
B man
You are correct about the academic policies not being limited to football.  It is a policy that is across the board and effects all athletic programs at the University.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 20, 2006, 10:26:23 PM
WUDLINE

Where did you get the mascot info...?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 20, 2006, 11:56:30 PM
B Man
I still talk to my old position coach every once in a while. He told me that they were going to announce the end of the Pioneer at homecoming. He said they were not telling anyone what the new mascot was until homecoming day. Sure enough, at halftime they announced the end of the Pioneer era and drove the mascot off the field in a Yellow Lamborghini.  They then announced that WU would now be known as the Pride. After the game all of the players exited the locker-room in Widener Pride tee shirts. I was shocked at the number of Alumni that had no idea that the change was coming.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 21, 2006, 03:34:14 PM
OUCH!!  Wasn't able to attend DVC game today but sounded as though we couldn't pull ANYTHING together.  Better luck next year boys!

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 21, 2006, 04:21:32 PM
Posters,
Parity surfaces again.  Looks like DVC "magic" did not surface today, no last minute heroics!  Wonder how the DVC fans are taking this one, after the LVC game I heard alot of fan chest poundin which surprised me, cause they were "lucky" to get out of Annville with the win.  Another "upset" in the possible makin, LVC out ahead of LYCO!  If the Dutchmen get the win, it will be the first time in school history that they defeat the Warriors.  LVC wins!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2006, 04:25:27 PM
Mojo:

I'm still here at DVC.  The players are obviously crushed.  There's a player in street clothes still sitting alone on the bench with his head down, obviously hurting a lot.  I think it's Marshall, a senior wide receiver who knows this is the end of their NCAA run.

Otherwise the atmosphere is actually not too bad from the little I've seen from the pressbox.  It's family weekend so plenty of "distractions" to ease the pain.

Parity indeed.  Great win for the Crusaders.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4man on October 21, 2006, 05:48:21 PM
Quote from: MOJO on October 21, 2006, 04:21:32 PM
Posters,
Parity surfaces again.  Looks like DVC "magic" did not surface today, no last minute heroics!  Wonder how the DVC fans are taking this one, after the LVC game I heard alot of fan chest poundin which surprised me, cause they were "lucky" to get out of Annville with the win.  Another "upset" in the possible makin, LVC out ahead of LYCO!  If the Dutchmen get the win, it will be the first time in school history that they defeat the Warriors.  LVC wins!

Sounds as though you're doing a little chest pounding yourself.  Watch out for that "parity" that you talk about so often.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 21, 2006, 06:45:14 PM
Quote from: 4man on October 21, 2006, 05:48:21 PM
Quote from: MOJO on October 21, 2006, 04:21:32 PM
Posters,
Parity surfaces again.  Looks like DVC "magic" did not surface today, no last minute heroics!  Wonder how the DVC fans are taking this one, after the LVC game I heard alot of fan chest poundin which surprised me, cause they were "lucky" to get out of Annville with the win.  Another "upset" in the possible makin, LVC out ahead of LYCO!  If the Dutchmen get the win, it will be the first time in school history that they defeat the Warriors.  LVC wins!

Sounds as though you're doing a little chest pounding yourself.  Watch out for that "parity" that you talk about so o

4man:

You might cut Mojo a little slack (but only if you want to be nice). He's had a son play at Lyco and another at LVC. Because of LVC's first-ever win v. the Warriors, he's justifiably a "proud papa" -- and who can gainsay him?

(BTW if he's doing a little "chest-thumping" of his own, well, hell! he's entitled, I think. Any way you look at it, the win was a good one for the Dutchmen.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 21, 2006, 09:41:12 PM
4man,
Sorry you interpreted my post as "Chest Pounding", it was not presented with that perspective in mind.  It's just observations I personally observed after the LVC game by a very small group of DVC fans that angered me.  As some LVC players were going back to the locker room, some comments were made, within earshot of LVC players, that I felt were inappropriate.  It's super to support your team, but not at the expense of the team you defeated.  Quite frankly, in my opinion, your team was outplayed that day everywhere but the scoreboard.  But I realize in the end, that's all that counts, and rightfully so.  I must admit the DVC players and coaching staff were and are a class act, I didn't hear any of that type verbage from them.  Hence my statement about the fans and never mentioning anything concerning the program, team and/or coaches.  The LVC victory at LYCO was huge for the LVC program, first time since the inception of the series.  Historically when LVC played LYCO, I never lost either way.  I'm a graduate of  LYCO, my oldest son started his collegiate football career at LYCO and finished at LVC and my youngest son also played at LVC.  Both programs have been and continue to be class acts!  As much as I was happy for the kids at LVC, I felt badly for the LYCO kids, a tradition ended.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 21, 2006, 10:28:09 PM
Parity MOJO?.....Let's call  it MAC INTRA-CONFERENCE DYNAMIC EQUILIBRIUM!!!....Congratulations to the Dutchmen and their fans on their first win over the politically correct "L's"....And how 'bout those soon to be X-MAC, Susquehanna "Rivermen" today?....Looks like one of the "Wagon Wheels" must of fell off on the trail on the way to the "Doylestown Dance"....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 22, 2006, 10:46:51 AM
First, it's good to have the opportunity to express these thoughts; second, congrats to LVC for their win yesterday, and third, have to admit that our family's only followed DVC football since 03 when they started winning, but i'm still crushed for myself, but especially for the coaches & team.  But, hey,  AGGIE pride - WIN OUT DEL VAL - GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 22, 2006, 11:51:27 AM
Congrats to SU on their win yesterday. While it's never fun to watch your team lose, SU definately earned that win. They wanted it more, and they went out and took it. DVC must learn to limit their mistakes and not take anyone for granted. While the playoffs are out of the question, now it's time to play for pride for the seniors left on the team. Also, congrats to WU and LVC on big wins yesterday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 22, 2006, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: FearTheRam on October 22, 2006, 11:51:27 AM
Congrats to SU on their win yesterday. While it's never fun to watch your team lose, SU definately earned that win. They wanted it more, and they went out and took it. DVC must learn to limit their mistakes and not take anyone for granted. While the playoffs are out of the question, now it's time to play for pride for the seniors left on the team. Also, congrats to WU and LVC on big wins yesterday.

Yes, it was something of a surprise Saturday for three teams. Of course, that's the MAC for you ... it often can be brutal to the favored team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 23, 2006, 04:01:47 PM
If Widener wins out, any chance of a tourney selection?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: geiger on October 23, 2006, 06:38:23 PM
Hopefully..wilkes got in last year with 2 losses......also is the mascot really going to be changed to " The Pride"    I remember when we played " The Pride" up in Springfield and opened a can on them!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 23, 2006, 06:46:47 PM
Quote from: geiger on October 23, 2006, 06:38:23 PM
Hopefully..wilkes got in last year with 2 losses......also is the mascot really going to be changed to " The Pride"    I remember when we played " The Pride" up in Springfield and opened a can on them!!!!

Good luck doing that this year....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 23, 2006, 08:25:01 PM
Former Wu:

I'd never say never after Wilkes got in last year despite a loss to WPUNJ.  You'll need a couple more weeks like this last one, though, where lots of 1-loss teams pick up their second.

Plus, it would help if Lycoming would win out so that loss is against a 6-3 team and not a 5-4 team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 24, 2006, 12:05:41 PM
In my wildest dreams I never thought I would see the lack of enthusiasm on this Del Val team that I have wittnessed this year. 98 percent of the players are back from last season and most of them starters. It appears to me that there is no spark or motivator to get them back on track.  IN MY OPINION, they havent showed up since the Wilkes loss. Sure you are going to have growing pains with a new QB, but you cant turn the ball over 5 times a game and expect to pull it out. The play selection is mediocre, and the "O" line has yet to step it up. Give that new QB a few more seconds and he will tear up the defensive secondary. I succumbed to my misery by watching the Aggie highlight CD from last year and watched the same players who have returned this year. What a difference. I hope something positive happens this week.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 24, 2006, 01:41:57 PM
Lack of enthusiasm is not the problem and neither is the playcalling to a degree. It all boils down to execution, lack of focus, and a poor lineplay. That line was not very good last year but was covered up by play of the QB and RB(which brings us to that position this year--a great disappointment-2 ypc avg). There are some guys who seem to be overly concerned with their stats. And of course there also seems to be no fear of coming to the sidelines when a mistake is made. I think people really underestimated how much losing a QB like Adam was going to affect the team. It seems as though people have just dismissed that fact and don't see how much he really meant to the team. Isgro is a nice QB and will certainly get better as time goes on, but he needs a line to protect him, too. Having 22 starters(or whatever it was)returning really doesn't amount to much when two of your skill position players are gone.

The guys who are left need to step up over the next few weeks and go out the winners they have been for the past two seasons. Playoffs or not, they still had great careers here and shouldn't diminish that by laying down because there are no NCAA's to look forward to.

It's too bad though, because Rowan is probably the weakest it's been in years. Wilkes should handle them well as Rowan's O is just awful.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 24, 2006, 06:46:50 PM
Fear The Ram

Were you around DVC last year as I do not know you, but the line play was excellent last year.  I agree losing the QB and Rb were huge holes to fill but the same line is back with the exception of Damien. Sure some plays work and some dontbut you mentioned execution and you are on top of it. To me the motivation, and overall casualness of this team and especially the play calling starts from the top down. The top has left and no one appears to have to account for mistakes made.  Almost every ball thrown last year became a jump ball and our receivers were out jumping everyone at the time. So I have to ask you, from last year to this with a team loaded with talent what has changed so significantly to have caused this breakdown. Same team, same players...help me here to understand all of this.  Please anyones' opinion.

GO AGGIES BEAT KINGS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 24, 2006, 07:14:36 PM
Hangtime et al.:

While it's understandable that you might be miffed about this year's edition of the Del Valley team, keep in mind that in D3, with the likely exception of Mt. Union (a team that seems to come from another solar system, one with highly advanced, unearthly power, knowledge, and technology), most venues will have occasional disappointing seasons. I suspect one just has to live with this ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2006, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: MOJO on October 24, 2006, 08:25:53 PM
DVC, is a mystery.  I do agree with the poster that noted the problems start with the top on down, if the facts are as presented.  In my opinion motivation is a coaching responsibility.  Commentary please!

Commentary ... sure. That part of your post about Mount Union was so misleading that I removed it. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on October 24, 2006, 09:25:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2006, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: MOJO on October 24, 2006, 08:25:53 PM
DVC, is a mystery.  I do agree with the poster that noted the problems start with the top on down, if the facts are as presented.  In my opinion motivation is a coaching responsibility.  Commentary please!

Commentary ... sure. That part of your post about Mount Union was so misleading that I removed it. 

Pat-

What is your policy on removing peoples comments? Posters don't know enough to sift through the bs ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2006, 10:04:12 PM
I'm tired of people posting the same old misinformation and ill-informed gripes about Mount Union, so I deleted this particular post, as I reserve the right to do.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on October 24, 2006, 10:32:29 PM
So you better be careful, the axe could fall at any moment!!

Haha, just kidding. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 25, 2006, 10:28:05 AM
Warren Thompson

Thank you for your input, most likely you are right but  with all the talent on this team, I did expect better play.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 25, 2006, 12:39:12 PM
expectations were high for this team from me even factoring in the losses in coaching and key players.....its difficult for me to put  my finger on what is holding this team back....play calling? costly turnovers? leadership? coaching? probably a little bit of everything mixed in....although i do have to remind myself they have only lost 2 games this year with one taking the league leader into OT, so maybe i should remind myself to not get entirely greedy and remember where this program was a couple of years ago...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 25, 2006, 06:56:26 PM
in reference to the dvc su game: upsets happen everyday in every sport. its just this time it was dvc's turn to fall, they are still a great time. and there is still a shot at a 2 loss team making the nc2a's, long one shot, but a shot none the less. i wouldnt be too critical on them just yet, im sure they will rebound.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 25, 2006, 06:59:23 PM
Quote from: Dynasty07 on October 25, 2006, 06:56:26 PM
in reference to the dvc su game: upsets happen everyday in every sport. its just this time it was dvc's turn to fall, they are still a great time. and there is still a shot at a 2 loss team making the nc2a's, long one shot, but a shot none the less. i wouldnt be too critical on them just yet, im sure they will rebound.

Im sorry but I dont see a team that has a loss to a 1 win team this late in the season being invited into the dance with 2 losses overall....

Regardless DVC isnt even ranked in their Region, Wilkes is the only MAC team to be ranked btw.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 25, 2006, 11:20:21 PM
Pat and Tag's,
Pursuant to your removing my post I feel I was dealt an injustice.  I do know that several years ago Mt. Union got a lineman that was one of the top recruits for Ohio State.  Because of his College Board scores he could not be admitted.  His mother was an employee at Mt. Union, and ended up playin his collegiate career there.  This is fact, NOT SPECULATION!  It has been general info over the past years that they do get a number of D1 and D2 kids that end up transferring there for a myriad of reasons.  Look at their record, unless they got JC coaching part time there, it's not by accident that they consistently field national championship contenders.  Better athletes better teams.  Not a hard concept to grasp.  If you want to disagree, we can agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 26, 2006, 02:27:32 AM
You insinuated that it was a regular occurrence.

Larry Kinnard was admitted to Ohio State but was ineligible under Prop 48 because of a 2.495 GPA. That's not the saem as what you're spewing.

No, it's not speculation, it's just plain inaccurate, and it's something that I'm personally tired of reading around here.

If by "a number of D1 and D2 kids" you're referring to a number like two or three, then yes, you'd be accurate. But they don't usually have more than a couple kids per class. Certainly fewer than other schools.

I do not know if Larry Kinnard's mom worked at Mount Union -- it's very possible. Kinnard went to Alliance HS and he returned home because his father was seriously ill.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2000/08/20/OSU+recruit+heads+to+Mt.+Union

His father has since passed away.

Hey -- if you want to spew misinformed crap, you're going to have to start going over to NJO.com or some of those other, unmoderated message boards. This is the last time I'm addressing it here. Next time the post will be deleted and so will your username.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on October 26, 2006, 10:36:58 AM
Back before the season started I cautioned you DVC guys that this wasn't a given. To answer Hangs questions: yes, I was around last year, and I know that two things are true. Two steller athletes made up for deficiencies by the O-line. The RB was able to make yardage out of nothing as was the QB. And losing a QB and running back of that quality is hard to replace. While you returned 22 starters(or whatever)you lost your two best skill position guys(and yes DC and DM are great receivers--but they can't throw to themselves). And losing the center-and AA was a great blow. This is the guy who calls out the blocking at the line of scrimmage, so even if you could replace his physical skills, you certainly aren't replacing his recognition of defenses.

My point is that this is not the same team because you lost way more than people wanted to acknowledge. They are not an underachieving team(that would mean a few more losses)in my mind they are exactly where they would have been last season without Knobloch and Cookie. Factor in that you had some guys who came to camp not 100% healthy or in shape and you've already lost your edge in close games.

Now, I know everyone wants to point the finger the coaches' way, and yes they do shoulder some responsibility, but the point is they don't play the game, the kids do. It's not up to them to light the proverbial fire, that comes within a player. As others have stated, this is a good team, and they have had a good season, just not the third undefeated season some were predicting in the pre-season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on October 26, 2006, 02:29:17 PM
Pat,
I was curious if there have ever been any female football players (kickers) in the MAC?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 26, 2006, 04:16:14 PM
Pat,
I do not remember the specific name of the player but I read the report via a newspaper article several years ago .  No, I cannot nor do I want to exert the effort in finding the article I am referring to, my time is to valuable to do that!  However as I recall, the issue was a below 700 board score on the SAT.  If I was wrong I apologize, and stand corrected.  Regardless if it's a low GPA or a low SAT, both are Academic issues and somewhat similar.  The point is this guy was a top D1 lineman recruit that played at Mt. Union.  Ur gettin 2 or 3 legitamate D1 and/or D2 kids per team, that's a big advantage over many D3 schools.  I am not saying or implying that this approach is bad,illegal, inappropriate, etc., it's not.  Look, our disagreement might be totally how we individually percieve if this is an advantage or not and/or this is a significant number.  I think it is.  The point I want to make and if you must kick me out for saying this, Aufweidersehn mein freund, is Better Athletes produce Better Teams.  Mt. Union consistently places better athletes on the field!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: geiger on October 26, 2006, 04:59:46 PM
So if Widener runs the table does anyone thin they have a legitimate shot of getting into the post season??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 26, 2006, 05:51:47 PM
John
I only go back to 1993, but I've never seen a female kicker in the MAC - I think  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 26, 2006, 06:12:15 PM
Quote from: bill on October 26, 2006, 05:51:47 PM
John
I only go back to 1993, but I've never seen a female kicker in the MAC - I think  ;)

I go back "only" to 1967 ... and I don't ever recall a woman kicker in the MAC, though I do, in fact, remember any number of other things about the conference, both real and imagined. :P (The latter are infinitely more interesting.)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 26, 2006, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: geiger on October 26, 2006, 04:59:46 PM
So if Widener runs the table does anyone thin they have a legitimate shot of getting into the post season??

No two loss team from the MAC is getting in unless they win the AQ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 26, 2006, 06:32:50 PM
I stand corrected. A little birdie told me that Juniata has had a female kicker on the roster as recently as last year!.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 26, 2006, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: MOJO on October 26, 2006, 04:16:14 PM
Pat,
However as I recall, the issue was a below 700 board score on the SAT.  If I was wrong I apologize, and stand corrected. 

You recall wrong. Please stop arguing the point with specifics that you cannot remember and don't want to exert the effort to find.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 26, 2006, 07:26:04 PM
Upstate:

I thought the same thing last year when Wilkes got in.  And one of Wilkes' loses came to 5-5 William Paterson.  Widener has to win out first and needs several other teams to lose, but stranger things have happened. 

Del Val has little to no chance in my opinion.  Unless Susquehanna runs the table, that loss at home will really hurt the Aggies quality of win index, which the NCAA uses to select at-large teams.

King's has virtually no shot at an at-large bid, but has the best chance of these three teams to make the playoffs.  If the Monarchs win out, they get the AQ.  If they lose one more game, they'll have three loses and basically be out of the running.

Speaking of the Aggies, I think FearTheRam is right on.  Having lost what they did on offense, an ECAC appearance is nothing to feel bad about.  It's not the same as the last two years, but there's still a chance to continue to build on the success begun back in 2003.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on October 27, 2006, 12:36:54 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 26, 2006, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: MOJO on October 26, 2006, 04:16:14 PM
Pat,
However as I recall, the issue was a below 700 board score on the SAT.  If I was wrong I apologize, and stand corrected. 

You recall wrong. Please stop arguing the point with specifics that you cannot remember and don't want to exert the effort to find.

If he replies with another Mount Union "Fact" that just proves his memory is bad.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 27, 2006, 10:22:27 PM
Pat and Port,
In your opinions, what do you feel is the secret to Mt. Unions ongoing success.  Is it safe to assume that their athletes are superior from other D3 schools?  Do they have superior coaching?  Or both?  I believe they recruit better athletes.  You look at their history, it's pretty impressive.  If they are gettin better athletes, how are they doing it?  Commentary please.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2006, 10:33:48 PM
The Monarchs' hopes for a MAC title are still alive, but they'll have to get through Delaware Valley to keep it that way.

If you can't get to Wilkes-Barre, let us bring you the action...

Delaware Valley
vs.
King's

Pregame begins at 1:00 PM with kickoff at 1:30 pm on www.allinbroadcasting.com.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 27, 2006, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: MOJO on October 27, 2006, 10:22:27 PM
Pat and Port,
In your opinions, what do you feel is the secret to Mt. Unions ongoing success.  Is it safe to assume that their athletes are superior from other D3 schools?  Do they have superior coaching?  Or both?  I believe they recruit better athletes.  You look at their history, it's pretty impressive.  If they are gettin better athletes, how are they doing it?  Commentary please.

There is no secret to their success, all that was needed to start it was a national championship.  Once they got their first one it started to grab the attention of the great football players in Ohio.  It got rolling from there, kids in Ohio knew they could go there and get a great chance at winning a Championship.  Ohio is a great state for HS football so the talent pool is huge.  These kids can either go to a scrub D-1, D-1AA, D-II school or go to a D-III School win 98% of the games you play in and have a legitimate shot at winning 2 or 3 National Championships....

Its not like MUC is going out and actively recruiting transfers, its against NCAA rules, these kids come to them and your going to bash their program because these kids want to go there and play for a winner?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on October 28, 2006, 11:28:32 AM
Yo Upstate,
Read what I had written.  Not once have I bashed the Mt. Union program.  Yes, per Pat I was misinformed concerning a specific athlete's reasoning for not attending Ohio State.  If anything, I am in awe of what they have achieved.  Look at their historical record and it's quite impressive.  So please, don't state I'm bashing a program when I'm not!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on October 28, 2006, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 27, 2006, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: MOJO on October 27, 2006, 10:22:27 PM
Pat and Port,
In your opinions, what do you feel is the secret to Mt. Unions ongoing success.  Is it safe to assume that their athletes are superior from other D3 schools?  Do they have superior coaching?  Or both?  I believe they recruit better athletes.  You look at their history, it's pretty impressive.  If they are gettin better athletes, how are they doing it?  Commentary please.

There is no secret to their success, all that was needed to start it was a national championship.  Once they got their first one it started to grab the attention of the great football players in Ohio.  It got rolling from there, kids in Ohio knew they could go there and get a great chance at winning a Championship.  Ohio is a great state for HS football so the talent pool is huge.  These kids can either go to a scrub D-1, D-1AA, D-II school or go to a D-III School win 98% of the games you play in and have a legitimate shot at winning 2 or 3 National Championships....

Its not like MUC is going out and actively recruiting transfers, its against NCAA rules, these kids come to them and your going to bash their program because these kids want to go there and play for a winner?

2 or 3! how bout all 4 years of championships!  Seriously all of these players could go 4 years without even losing a game! With MUC, its possible
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on October 28, 2006, 04:53:10 PM
to enlighten your topic on mounts success along with the strength of the oac...  penn. and ohio have pretty much the same pool of high school players to recruite from...  however, ohio doesnt have a d2 football league such as pennsy...   in example an all state player could be recruited by 10 division 2 teams in p.a. with  scholarship money. whereas in ohio its usually d1 -   d1-a or bust... meaning go  have fun and compete for a national title at mount.  also mount doesnt recruit transfers... esp from out of state...  i know a player who looked in to transferring to mount from widener in spring 2000.  he ended up at lycoming in fall 2000.   boy that was a bad move... 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theshade on October 28, 2006, 07:00:27 PM
Del Val sticks with the running game. 10-0 over kings. Nice job by the O-line and Sheffield today. 44 carries for 174 yds 1 TD. Bill Miller hits a 20+ yard field goal into a stiff wind that seemed to take forever to get through. The defense was very good again this week. Way to come back after a tough loss last week. congrats to the coaching staff and players.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on October 29, 2006, 01:43:51 AM
Lets get back to the MAC.....

Question, for pat,i know this is cocky but its the truth when Wilkes wins the MAC, Could it be the first MAC team to be seeded number one if Hobart loses to union next week, or was there already a MAC team to do this? Also will Springfield, Rowan still remain in front of Wilkes with their losses(Doubt this question)? Can any team handle the Wilkes home crowd when they have a playoff game?

Just looking for thoughts of what you think about everything, and how Wilkes is looking to make the Stagg Bowl?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2006, 06:09:07 AM
The last MAC team to be seeded No. 1 was 2005, when Delaware Valley got the top seed.

We'll do a full playoff projection this week, as in previous seasons.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 29, 2006, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2006, 06:09:07 AM
The last MAC team to be seeded No. 1 was 2005, when Delaware Valley got the top seed.

We'll do a full playoff projection this week, as in previous seasons.

Its gotta be real tough right now to make predictions in the east, at least with some of the E8/LL big games comming up the last two weeks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 29, 2006, 05:17:07 PM
Quote from: WUMAC on October 29, 2006, 01:43:51 AM
... and how Wilkes is looking to make the Stagg Bowl?

Not certain what you mean by the words above. Do you mean to say you think the Colonels have a good shot at going to Salem? If so, why and how?

While the MAC is a very competitive conference, if not a also a cannibalistic one, can MAC member Wilkes run with the likes of UMHB, St. John's, Linfield, Capital, Hardin-Simmons, Trinity, UWW, and ... yes, please,  let's not forget about those purple-clad visitors from another galaxy who hang their hats in Alliance, Ohio?

It would be nice if the folks from Wilkes-Barre could go deep into the playoffs, but ... but ... and yet ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2006, 07:02:34 PM
I think Wilkes will be competitive in the East region bracket.  I don't see them getting clocked like they did in Glassboro last year.  I don't think it's unrealistic to call them a strong contender for a national semifinal spot.  But I don't think it's realistic to project them as a Stagg Bowl contender.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 29, 2006, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 29, 2006, 07:02:34 PM
I don't think it's unrealistic to call them a strong contender for a national semifinal spot. 

Wow, really? The Wilkes team that was fortunate to get out of Annville with a three-point win v. an LVC squad that assays -- with no guarantees -- to go 6-4 this season?

Yet ... what do I know?  Apparently that's why I'm a teacher rather than a football maven. :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on October 29, 2006, 08:36:42 PM
I agree that Wilkes is a strong contender to be a semifinal team, I believe they have a shot at winning the east region. No guarantees but a shot. If they play all games at home, that will give them a better shot which obviously goes for every team. Im hoping for them to appear in the stagg bowl but that would mean they have to head to Ohio first...  :-\

Even though the margin of victory in their games isn't always big, I believe Wilkes plays to the level of competition of their opponents, which is not a good way to play in the playoffs, but like a writer of d3football.com said "Wilkes just wins." And the reason they beat LVC by 3 is because LVC is a good football team. They just couldn't hold on in the end in a few big games. But much credit is due to LVC for a great season with the great team they have.

Wilkes... MAC (CO for now)CHAMPS LIKE THE COACHES PREDICTED
Congrats to them and best of luck in the dance.
Also, good luck to Widener in the final 2 weeks to a possible at-large bid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2006, 09:37:32 PM
WT:

I think Wilkes can compete for the East region title, though Cortland is the favorite in my mind.  The Red Dragons have a great defense (like Wilkes) but I think their offense is a little better than the Colonels'.

That said, the MAC has done well against the private schools from Upstate New York.  I'm not sold on Springfield with its reliance on running and turf fields.  And I'm beginning to think that Rowan is going to miss the playoffs completely.

Maybe Rowan and Del Val get to play each other one more time after all...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2006, 09:53:47 PM
By the way, the King's-Del Val game is archived on line here (http://www.broadcastmonsters.com/Delvalley/delvalley102806.asx).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2006, 08:14:56 AM
i agree gordon i think cortland is a better team than wilkes, i will be rooting for any and all mac teams but that being said i think cortland would handle them fairly easily....let alone if they head west to ohio.....the final score at glassboro is what mt. union would hang on them by halftime. mt union looks very very good this year, i just dont see anyone being able to hang with them.  But it would be great for any mac team to make a run in the playoffs and i for one will be rooting for them all....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 30, 2006, 09:06:24 AM
The MAC is a very tough league to guage nationally with very few non-conference games throughout the league.......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2006, 10:02:19 AM
that is a very good point jpu i for one would like to see some E8 or LL games on the mac schedules or rowan/cortland etc....the games are not that far and could create great rivalries....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: geiger on October 30, 2006, 11:46:29 AM
Im It would be great to see widener  get in..that is if they win there remaining 2 games...That would be an 8 game winning streak and only losing the 1st 2 games by I believe a combined 5 pts...I believe widener would be more qualified this year to get an at large bid then wilkes was last year...What do you guys think??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 30, 2006, 12:13:44 PM
I agree that mac teams should play more out of conference games, i think with the 3 teams leaving after this year will allow for greater flexibility in scheduling. Playing out of the conference allows for a better gauge in true team talent. As per widener, i think they are a good team, not great, but good. Playoffs might be a stretch, but stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 30, 2006, 12:20:01 PM
I think that is a great point.  Widener has been the silent assasin this year in the MAC.  Anyone who knew anything about the MAC knew Wilkes would be the real deal this year, but Widener was a team that in my eyes had a load of question marks, however out of all of the teams who lost a big QB going into this season, it seems as if the PRIDE (terrible name) has handled it the best.  I personally think if they were to win out, and that is a very big IF, they could definitley be a playoff possibility, Wilkes did get in last year, and if Widener were to win out it would be 8 straight which is something special in this conference. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2006, 12:38:17 PM
i agree i think widener/lyco both had a lot of ? marks this season and one has rebounded while the other storied program is continuing to struggle....the dvc/widener game is going to be a back alley brawl, a great game to go see
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 30, 2006, 02:13:46 PM
For those who would like to see more MAC vs. "others" contests, it's not very far away. While most games will be played against the NJAC, tenative schedules for 2007 and beyond include 2-3 NJAC opponents for Wilkes, Widener, and FDU. I haven't peeked at the other ones yet :)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2006, 02:20:53 PM
They're not a secret, either. Gordon has brought them up on this board several times in the past few months.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2006, 02:41:44 PM
pat/gordon do you know who/if dvc is playing out of conference in the next couple of years? I looked on the school website to no avail.....any njac or ll teams on it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on October 30, 2006, 02:46:31 PM
yeah i would love to see some mac teams go up to ny and stomp on them a little bit  8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 30, 2006, 02:48:15 PM
Gordon....Nothing would be sweeter than to see a DVC matchup again with Rowan this year...anywhere.

uPBRmeASAP...OK its the last home game of this season and we are still tailgating in the same place, hope to see you there along with Gordon too. It is a green tent and a blue tent along the RR tracks and where the parking lot opens up to the back softball fields....hope you guys can make it.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 30, 2006, 04:13:18 PM
Quote from: HANGTIME on October 30, 2006, 02:48:15 PM
Nothing would be sweeter than to see a DVC matchup again with Rowan this year...anywhere.

The "anywhere" might have to be in a fantasy league. For what it's worth, the Rowan mavens over on the NJAC board say the Profs don't do ECACs ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2006, 04:17:02 PM
no warren we mean in the d-III playoffs.....now where did rev. jim put that kool-aid i know its around here somewhere.... :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 30, 2006, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 30, 2006, 04:17:02 PM
no warren we mean in the d-III playoffs.....

Really? As Henry Kissinger might put it, "on vat teery might da Profs and da Aggies meet in da D3 blayoffs?"  ???

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 30, 2006, 07:18:19 PM
Here are the non-conference games I know about for next year.  Coaches have been fairly open with me about them, so I don't think I'm sharing anything secretive...

Del Val: Iona, Wesley and one open slot.  I'd be lying if I said I weren't trying to help them fill it. :)
Widener: NC Wesleyan, Rowan, Wesley
Wilkes: William Paterson, Montclair State, Rowan
King's: St. John Fisher, Ithaca, Hampden-Sydney
Leb Val: Susquehanna and two other teams I don't remember :)
Lycoming: Ditto

I didn't ask Coach Sandusky at Albright.  I did ask Coach Mosca at FDU-Florham, but I honestly don't remember what he told me.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 30, 2006, 07:24:33 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 30, 2006, 07:18:19 PM
Here are the non-conference games I know about for next year.  Coaches have been fairly open with me about them, so I don't think I'm sharing anything secretive....

Leb Val: Susquehanna and two other teams I don't remember :)

That's great, Gordon, so long as the "two other teams" you "don't remember" in LVC's schedule are not Mt. Union and St. John's ....  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on October 30, 2006, 07:38:49 PM
Thanks so much Gordon.  Any word what week the Ithaca/King's game is?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2006, 08:04:41 PM
excellent gordon, how 'bout for that third dvc slot rowan/rpi/hobart possibly? even ithaca?  i would really like to see dvc take on mt. union at some point(no i havent broken out the scotch yet tonight...) i just would like to see mt. union play in person if dvc played them out there it would give me a reason for a road trip or on the long shot they came to doylestown....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 30, 2006, 08:17:32 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 30, 2006, 08:04:41 PM
excellent gordon, how 'bout for that third dvc slot rowan/rpi/hobart possibly? even ithaca?  i would really like to see dvc take on mt. union at some point(no i havent broken out the scotch yet tonight...) i just would like to see mt. union play in person if dvc played them out there it would give me a reason for a road trip or on the long shot they came to doylestown....

Word out of SJF camp is that they've scheduled Mt. Union in 2008....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 30, 2006, 08:51:17 PM
Waren:

Ha, I'd remember one of those.  I think it's a couple Centennial schools (Juniata? Gettysburg?) but I don't remember for certain.

Tecmo:

If I recall my conversation with Coach Mannello correctly, it's week 2 after King's plays SJF.

Up:

I'd enjoy one of those match-ups, too, but there has to be an open week for one of the teams you mentioned.  If Rowan has added Wilkes and Widener, I'm not sure there's room for a third MAC team. 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 31, 2006, 09:10:56 AM
FDU's non- conference games next year are Juniata, TCNJ, and Willie P.
After 2007, I think we play Alfred instead of Juniata...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2006, 09:17:12 AM
alright gordon if there is no room for dvc then you need to help steer them to cortland or some of the LL schools if possible...rpi/hobart/union etc.....one of them i would think would have an opening and is not too far to go to bus wise for the team...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on October 31, 2006, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: bill on October 30, 2006, 02:13:46 PM
For those who would like to see more MAC vs. "others" contests, it's not very far away.

Plus after Susquehanna moves to the LL, they're keeping some of the "traditional rivals" as OOC opponents. I know next year Lyco is on the slate, as well as two others I forget...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 31, 2006, 10:11:23 AM
Wow

Boy did I miss an active MAC board this last week....! How DARE they require me to do actual work at work!

In deference to those in the middle, it seems that Widener's schedule is front and back-end loaded.  While they hung with Wilkes (and could have won) and lost that tough one to Lyco (where anything could happen) I feel it is a bit early to talk about playoffs for WU.

They have Salisbury this week, (while down this year)  hung in with Wesley and Del Val who while having some issues, is every bit as good (or better) than WU...

one week at a time guys....then if we perform....maybe the seeding gods will smile  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 31, 2006, 03:47:02 PM
bman -

Don't complain that your doing to much "work" at work.  We all know that you sit in on every available meeting so that you get free bagels and donuts.

I'm not too worried about Salisbury this weekend.  That conference doesn't do anything for me.  The big game should be in 2 weeks when we hoist the "Keystone Cup".  I still can't get over that DVC has had that thing for the last couple of years.

Oh, and bman - your still fat.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2006, 04:00:46 PM
and dvc shall have the cup for several more years.... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 31, 2006, 04:15:28 PM
FormerWu

Have you been smoking something?   Maybe you don't have respect for that conference, but many teams the last couple of years that have taken Wesley lightly have gotten a quick education....it is meaningful to me that Salisbury hung with them...for whatever the reason.

DV will be a good game, but until we prove that we can beat a top team in our conference, I will hold-off on filling the ballons, and cutting the confetti...

and your just jealous that I can smoke you in the 40...what are you now? 270?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Stantheman28 on November 01, 2006, 03:11:13 PM
So I've heard Del Val is picking up Linfield for their open spot.  I just spoke with a reporter from the doylestown newspaper and he said Linfield will be playing in Doylestown to open the year next year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 01, 2006, 03:19:10 PM
what reporter stan??? since i know several of the reporters very well i would like to follow up with them on this breaking news....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 01, 2006, 03:41:13 PM
REMINDER TO ALL SCHOOL OFFICIALS LURKING:

ECAC Football Championship declaration forms are due TOMORROW (November 2, 2006) by 5pm EST.  However, a new wrinkle this year is a $500 maximum penalty for late declaration (until Friday, November 10, 2006).  Find out more information and find the form at the following link:

http://www.ecac.org/feature/feature.asp?id=3379
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2006, 05:16:27 PM
Quote from: Stantheman28 on November 01, 2006, 03:11:13 PM
So I've heard Del Val is picking up Linfield for their open spot.  I just spoke with a reporter from the doylestown newspaper and he said Linfield will be playing in Doylestown to open the year next year.


You're on Del Val's campus. Why are you getting news from a Doylestown reporter?

Welcome to the board -- you have no credibility yet, however.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 01, 2006, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2006, 05:16:27 PM
Quote from: Stantheman28 on November 01, 2006, 03:11:13 PM
So I've heard Del Val is picking up Linfield for their open spot.  I just spoke with a reporter from the doylestown newspaper and he said Linfield will be playing in Doylestown to open the year next year.


You're on Del Val's campus. Why are you getting news from a Doylestown reporter?

Welcome to the board -- you have no credibility yet, however.

Thats why I love IP addresses...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 01, 2006, 08:47:04 PM
Interesting...that guy posts once every 11 months...what a contribution!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maxpower on November 01, 2006, 11:39:09 PM
Well, he's gone now....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 01, 2006, 11:40:59 PM
Shocking!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 02, 2006, 07:40:56 AM
me thinks we wont hear from stan for another 6+ months until he does another completely bogus post.......
Title: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on November 02, 2006, 06:02:33 PM
Wilkes Wins the MAC this weekend?


.....BELIEVE....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 02, 2006, 10:02:45 PM
If they beat Susquehanna, yes, they clinch the MAC.

Everyone else is at least two loses behind them with two weeks to play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 03, 2006, 03:54:13 PM
Wilkes better not be too confident; after all, look what happened to Del Val.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on November 03, 2006, 06:25:44 PM
Pat or Gordon,
It seems like Wilkes will win the MAC barring something crazy.  My question is, Does Widener have any chance at Nationals this year.  Someone brought up a great point last week.  There only two losses were in the beginning of the year, and one of them to Wilkes.  I knwo Wilkes got in last year, and I would say Widener has more of a just as convincing of a season as Wilkes did last year.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 03, 2006, 06:36:38 PM
Dog,

Is Widener even ranked in the region?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on November 03, 2006, 07:05:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2006, 05:16:27 PM
Quote from: Stantheman28 on November 01, 2006, 03:11:13 PM
So I've heard Del Val is picking up Linfield for their open spot.  I just spoke with a reporter from the doylestown newspaper and he said Linfield will be playing in Doylestown to open the year next year.


You're on Del Val's campus. Why are you getting news from a Doylestown reporter?

Welcome to the board -- you have no credibility yet, however.

Ouch...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on November 03, 2006, 07:14:50 PM
Any chance Kings wins out?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 03, 2006, 11:47:36 PM
Tags:

Maybe, but it doesn't matter if Wilkes wins tomorrow.  They clinch the conference with one more win regardless of who they beat.  Then again, maybe it does matter if you're an E8 fan who is wisely watching SJF's Quality Win Index. :)

Dog:

I agree that Widener's loses this year are no worse than Wilkes' last year. It comes down to what other one-loss teams do.  If a bunch more pick up that dreaded second loss, Widener may still have a chance.  They've got some big games left themselves these last two weeks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 03, 2006, 11:49:48 PM
Programming note...

Delaware Valley officially says goodbye to a tremendous senior class tomorrow.  Carmon, Silver, Bliss, Whitesell, Kiphorn, Marshall, Miller, Porter, Murphy, Harrigan, Neal, Martone, McMahon...guys who helped turn this program around.

If you can't make it to Doylestown, tune us in for Senior Day

Delaware Valley
vrs.
Juniata

Pregame is at 12:40 pm with kickoff at 1 pm on www.allinbroadcasting.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on November 03, 2006, 11:58:53 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 03, 2006, 11:47:36 PM
Tags:

Maybe, but it doesn't matter if Wilkes wins tomorrow.  They clinch the conference with one more win regardless of who they beat.  Then again, maybe it does matter if you're an E8 fan who is wisely watching SJF's Quality Win Index. :)

Dog:

I agree that Widener's loses this year are no worse than Wilkes' last year. It comes down to what other one-loss teams do.  If a bunch more pick up that dreaded second loss, Widener may still have a chance.  They've got some big games left themselves these last two weeks.

Indeed the latter of the two Gordon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2006, 03:45:52 PM
Congrats to Wilkes who clinches the MAC title with a 35-7 win over Susquehanna.

King's led FDU-Florham 21-14 in the fourth.  Albright and Leb Val were leading Lyco and Moravian late with the Dutchmen up big.

Widener falls to Salisbury 17-14.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2006, 06:24:26 PM
Wow.

Kudos to Kelly who has struggled with a sore shoulder all year.  That's a great way to close your home career.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on November 05, 2006, 12:44:44 PM
What will the MAC conference look like next year?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2006, 12:55:19 PM
Like this:

Albright
Delaware Valley
FDU-Florham
King's
Lebanon Valley
Lycoming
Widener
Wilkes

Susquehanna leaves for the Liberty League.  Moravian and Juniata leave for the Centennial Conference.

Or did you mean in terms of who will be good?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 06, 2006, 09:40:45 AM
widener fans what is the recap in the game vs. salisbury? i was a little surprised to see widener lose that one....here is to the aggies winning this weekend and keeping the keystone cup in its rightful place(dvc)... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on November 06, 2006, 03:21:54 PM
Rightful place?

I'm surprised you know what it looks like, let alone feels like.  That thing has been stuck in the Widener trophy case collecting dust longer than Billy had "White Shoes."

It's coming back to Chester.  You watch and see.

.....

Come on Widener, show me something.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 06, 2006, 03:56:15 PM
my computer only has enough memory to go back the last 2 years and that shows me dvc has rolled  :o ....anything before that i get a sputtering disk....offahh
Title: Important Stuff
Post by: Grizzman on November 06, 2006, 08:00:24 PM
While I am very excited about the Wilkes vs. Kings ( Mayor's Cup) game this weekend , I thought I would post a little tidbit that should interest many on this board-

Reading Beer is making a comeback ( see attached link). I remember hoisting a few Reading Drafts ( .10 cents  per ) back in the day at , I believe, a bar called the Peanut Bar, right down from Shirk Stadium. It was a good beer and $1.00 - $2.00 covered you for the night.


[http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/entertainment/dining/15747425.htm]
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2006, 11:49:59 AM
Hey WU, what happened?  I thought we were going to steamroll through the remainder of the season.... ;)

Save your predictions for a sport you know something about ;D

Hopefully this Saturday will be a great battle and a WU win...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hobokened on November 07, 2006, 12:43:45 PM
I didn't notice Prothro or Kabba's names in the Box Score. Did they play?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 07, 2006, 12:57:57 PM
dvc is rolling this weekend....time to take out a year of frustrations on the pa military academy and keep the cup locked up in dtown.... 8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 07, 2006, 06:24:03 PM
Just wondering

What does everyone think is going to happen to the rest of the MAC with Scranton bolting....I felt they were the glue holding much of the conference together, at least academically speaking.
Is that sound I hear Lycoming sprinting for the Empire 8? :D
How fast can DeSales add football?
This, along with the upcoming academic concerns the conference is facing, should make the next 2-3 months VERY interesting....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2006, 07:56:53 PM
Imagine the tagline...

MAC Glue ...it only holds until it gets a penalty...

Disclaimer...Has failed to work in the Scranton area
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 07, 2006, 08:07:05 PM
scranton being the football juggernaut they are.... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on November 07, 2006, 08:58:48 PM
ya i heard prothro was out for the rest of the season for some trouble... its none of my business but i wouldnt mind knowing why, if thats possible, if not, no big deal. If thats true, thats a shame, he is an outstanding running back.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hobokened on November 08, 2006, 01:48:35 PM
Now I see that neither Prothro NOR Kabba are even listed on Widener's roster. Both were underclassmen, wonder what was so major that they were booted off the team?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 08, 2006, 02:20:10 PM
i take it these guys were starters on widener? or at least major contributors to the team?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 08, 2006, 02:47:04 PM
This sounds like an investigative job for Pat and/or Gordon

FormerWu

Time to earn your keep.!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 08, 2006, 03:26:46 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2006, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: bill on November 07, 2006, 06:24:03 PM
Just wondering

What does everyone think is going to happen to the rest of the MAC with Scranton bolting....I felt they were the glue holding much of the conference together, at least academically speaking.
Is that sound I hear Lycoming sprinting for the Empire 8? :D
How fast can DeSales add football?
This, along with the upcoming academic concerns the conference is facing, should make the next 2-3 months very  interesting....

Bill: It would be helpful if you could amplify and expand on your remarks above. Do you know something the rest of us don't know? (And in what ways was/is Scranton  the "glue" holding together the rest of the MAC, academically or otherwise?)

Scranton's joining the Landmark Conference - just announced: http://www.susqu.edu/Sports/releases/Fall06/scranton.htm

of course, that's not football, but there you go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2006, 03:27:20 PM
Front page of D3hoops two days ago. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 08, 2006, 03:47:20 PM
my bad, sorry Pat. 

The MAC is going to look rather interesting after this year...

So hey, not that this is very exciting to the rest of you, I'm sure, but any thoughts on Susquehanna-Lycoming this weekend?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 08, 2006, 03:51:40 PM
Yeah

My thoughts.  I hope Lyco stomps them in their last MAC game.....

don't let the door hit you on the *** on the way out boys.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2006, 03:53:35 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on November 08, 2006, 03:47:20 PM
my bad, sorry Pat. 

The MAC is going to look rather interesting after this year...

That's OK, not a huge deal.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on November 08, 2006, 07:55:32 PM
Prothro, was the MAC rookie of the year last year.  He was the starting tailback, and had a high average per touch.  Kabba a d-line guy, not sure of any accolades, but he was definitley a big contributor on the d-line.  They were two pivotal players for the Pride (pfffffff Pride hahah) From what my sources tell me they were both taken off the team for legal issues, and we will not see them this year, maybe not next either.  Maybe someone can correct me, I am sure Pat, and Gordon are digging around.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 08, 2006, 10:00:40 PM
Dog:

What you mentioned is about all I know.  The official word on Kabba and Prothro is that they "violated University code."

Truthfully, I've heard rumblings about what transpired but I probably won't dig too much.  Whatever it is, I want to be respectful of Khalee and Mo's privacy.

Hopefully whatever is happening in their lives leaves them as stronger people with a bright future.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 08, 2006, 10:03:31 PM
Warren:

Coach Briggs and other athletic staff both told me that the school is hoping to expand its recruiting base -- for athletes and otherwise -- into Upstate NY and New England.  Playing in the Liberty League may give them a window into some of those areas since those teams draw on players from CT, MA and NY.  I noticed this year that SU has a few players Massachusetts on the roster.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on November 08, 2006, 10:36:15 PM
Gordon, you are right on that one.  I have heard things as well, but its not right to talk unless you know.  And, they are both good guys, it wouldnt be right to violate their privacy..  They are both great players, and great kids (mistakes made or not)  Widener will not be the same without them though. 
What do you think Wilkes chances are in the nationals.  I know they may not be favorites, but their D is solid, and in my eyes they still havent peaked.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 09, 2006, 12:01:54 AM
The East region playoffs should really be a lot of fun this year because I could see anyone winning the region.  Well, alright, anyone but the NEFC Champ, though I will say last year's Curry team was very well coached and not a pushover.

I think Wilkes at home with that defense will be a tough out for anyone.  I still worry a little whether they can score enough to win a shootout with Union, SJF or Springfield.  The Colonels need to win this week to make sure that, if they play a team like Springfield, it can be on their natural grass field and not the carpet where the Pride (Springfield, not Widener) run wild.

As you probably know, the NCAA could shift a totally new team into the region like Capital or Baldwin-Wallace from the OAC.  That would be interesting. 

I think it's more likely that Dickinson gets moved in from the Centennial since it's geographically close.  Wesley isn't far away either but the NCAA isn't moving a top seed out of its region.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2006, 07:48:13 AM
a ? for lyco fans and anyone else for that matter....lyco seems to be really struggling the last couple of years....how much longer does coach G hang around before pressure mounts to oust him? penn st. in my thinking is in a similiar position w/ joe pa as these coaches have had incredible careers and almost earned the right to leave on their own terms....but i am not sure how many more down years lyco can have before alumni and administration start to look for a change....i think coach G is a great guy and coach.....anyone hear anything? plus i cant imagine it helps recruiting and going into a new league struggling like they are anymore....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 09, 2006, 10:14:17 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 08, 2006, 10:03:31 PM
Warren:

Coach Briggs and other athletic staff both told me that the school is hoping to expand its recruiting base -- for athletes and otherwise -- into Upstate NY and New England.  Playing in the Liberty League may give them a window into some of those areas since those teams draw on players from CT, MA and NY.  I noticed this year that SU has a few players Massachusetts on the roster.

You're right, plus the Landmark Conference (the other sports) gives SU access to the DC/Baltimore market, more NJ/NY, etc. Between the two leagues, SU will be getting exposure in a far wider area.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2006, 11:44:09 AM
awful quiet from the widener folk(pa military academy....) w/ the keystone cup on the line this weekend.... since it will be parked in dtown for another 365 days   :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 09, 2006, 12:14:37 PM
We're a subdued bunch these days.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 09, 2006, 12:15:22 PM
Plus
FormerWu is on vacation and not around to stir things up...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2006, 12:48:37 PM
bman will you and formerwu both be at the game saturday?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 09, 2006, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: bman on November 08, 2006, 03:51:40 PM
Yeah

My thoughts.  I hope Lyco stomps them in their last MAC game.....

don't let the door hit you on the *** on the way out boys.....

Well gee, tell me how you really feel...  :D  I take it you're a Lyco fan? or you're just irked at SU for leaving?

Do the Crusaders have a shot? They haven't beaten Lyco in five years, but last year was close, and Lyco has only one more win than them this year...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2006, 01:13:48 PM
'grove you need to read the posts every now and then.....bman is a widener fan...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 09, 2006, 01:36:51 PM
I was confused!! ???  I'm new here, take it easy... I tried to read through all 172 pages, but a few things may have slipped my glance.  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2006, 02:00:21 PM
no worries grove.....but the 3 posts right in front of yours show you where bmans allegiance lies....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 09, 2006, 02:13:26 PM
this is what I get for reading too fast.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 09, 2006, 02:28:39 PM
The Grove

No real animosity...the comment was really tounge in cheek....

Although I am confused by the mixed messages they sent all year related to the reasons they are leaving....


...but I won't miss driving  on 11 and 15 in the dark and rain... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2006, 02:31:43 PM
i agree bman i still havent seen or heard a reason for leaving......everytime everyone seems to be talking around whatever the reason is so it ends up sounding like a different reason every time...






Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 09, 2006, 02:42:22 PM
PBR

If I had to make an "Educated" guess, I would think that they are trying to portray a more "elite" academic profile to prospective students...and maybe get a piece of that NE "Old Money" :o

As far as going on Sat...highly unlikely given that I have a 4 year old and a 12 week old, and a spouse that is going to be out....

I can see it now, as the loudspeaker booms "Will the owner of the toddler playing in the 20 yardline, please remove him immediately....we need to get on with the game...." ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 09, 2006, 02:47:36 PM
Well, whatever the reasons... I can tell you that as a fan, I will miss the old traditional rivalries. I know that with the Liberty being an 8-team league, there's still opportunities to play those old rivals as OOC games, but it's not the same.

I mean, sure, playing Lyco this weekend with no MAC title on the line ain't like it used to be, but it still means something. Playing them next year as a "hey, remember us?" kind of thing won't have the same oomph.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2006, 02:59:29 PM
>>>If I had to make an "Educated" guess, I would think that they are trying to portray a more "elite" academic profile to prospective students...and maybe get a piece of that NE "Old Money"
<<<

hmmm....here is just thought it was they were tired of getting their butt's kicked every week....also saw the aggies wrestling team is ranked #6 in the nation in the preseason good luck to them as well this year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2006, 04:26:26 PM
btw where is hangtime? havent heard from him in a couple of weeks....last i heard he was heading to a family wedding.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 09, 2006, 04:36:22 PM
that's some hangtime!...

Re - SU's move to the LL, it would be nice if from a football context we could move when we have down years...

I would think the Board had more say than the AD  ...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 09, 2006, 06:50:05 PM
  Looks Wesley is going to be invading the MAC next year.

Read http://www.newszap.com/articles/2006/11/09/dm/central_delaware/sports/dsnsp03

Wesley will play Widener and DelVal next year. Hope it's a home and home with DelVal. Live 10 mins from the college. And Welsey has a few Central Bucks alum.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 09, 2006, 07:40:09 PM
Try this Warren http://www.newszap.com/dm/central_delaware/

other wise you can go to www.newszap.com and follow to sports.. Sports ins at the bottom of the news
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 09, 2006, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on November 09, 2006, 07:40:09 PM
Try this Warren http://www.newszap.com/dm/central_delaware/

other wise you can go to www.newszap.com and follow to sports.. Sports ins at the bottom of the news


Tried diverse approaches, but still can't find anything about Wesley coming to the MAC. Must be something at my end ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 09, 2006, 08:27:26 PM
Warren

I think the meaning of invading the MAC, only means that they have 2 MAC games scheduled next year, not that they intend to join the MAC...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2006, 08:33:15 PM
i agree bman although sounds like the coach wouldnt mind joining the league ....any thoughts on merging with the njac to create a mega conference in the region??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 09, 2006, 10:04:25 PM
Wesley has plans to play Del Val and Widener.  I've mentioned that more than once on this board.

Speaking of Widener, Khalee Prothro has been cleared to play on Saturday.  I don't know what Kabba's status is.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 09, 2006, 10:05:16 PM
 

Wesley is playing them both not joining the conference
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 09, 2006, 10:08:55 PM
Taken from the Newszap.com web site and Downstate newspaper

" New foes in '07

Drass has heard the questions about Wesley's schedule.

"Why don't you play some tougher teams at the end of the season to get ready for the playoffs?" people ask him.



"Heck, I'm scheduling people that will return our phone calls," the Wolverines' coach and athletic director answers.

First-time Wesley opponent Morrisville, which has only fielded a football program since 1976, is in its first season in Division III after moving up from junior college status. "

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 09, 2006, 10:18:57 PM
Warren

  this works  http://www.newszap.com/dm/central_delaware/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on November 10, 2006, 04:04:40 PM
uPBRmeASAP

Dont tell me you will be at the game this week???? No wonder the weather has changed...LOL Just Kidding. Yes we will be there tailgating somewhere around Shwartz Hall or something like that. I have been lurking reading the posts and really had nothing positive to add to the posts. Nothing negative either. I hate to see the season coming to an end as always but it has been frustrating some for the Aggie fans at times. But I am looking for a "W" tomorrow in Chester. If you see us stop over, you are always welcome. Burgers and dawgs....Hope to see you there.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 10, 2006, 04:12:03 PM
who knows maybe all the planets will align and teams will all lose that dvc needs to get into the ncaa playoffs.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 10, 2006, 09:30:58 PM
The Keystone Cup is on the line tomorrow when the Aggies try to win their fourth straight against the Widener Pioneers.  Offense will be at a premium when two very good defenses clash in Chester, Pa.

If you can't get to Widener, let us bring you the action...

Delaware Valley
vrs.
Widener

Kickoff is at 1 PM with pregame...uh...some time before that. :)

At least I know we'll be on www.AllinBroadcasting.com.

PS - We'll have a special feature interview with the guy in UPR's screen name icon.  No, not the SJF QB.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 11, 2006, 03:45:20 PM
Anything on the Wilkes game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 11, 2006, 04:01:59 PM
Wilkes and King's were tied at 7 before Wilkes pulled away.

Score is posted.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 11, 2006, 04:03:42 PM
Got it Gordon, just saw it before you posted... I am posting the eastern region scores in east region playoff discussion.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on November 11, 2006, 07:48:39 PM
formerwu

The AGGIES have now won the Keystone Cup 4 years now 03-06....we even know what it looks and feels like. Congrats to the AGGIES Team for a great effort and an even greater win.

Mr Prothro is a very talented running back and the MAC hasnt heard the last of him.

uPBRmeASAP....hope you made the game, it was a good one, and I am especially proud...send me an email.


GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 11, 2006, 08:13:28 PM
anyone know if  14 catches for 337yards and 3 tds is a record day at all? haha just curious....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 11, 2006, 09:10:03 PM
Well, it's one more catch and TD than this guy...

WR Harrison Dull, Jr., Chapman
Dull broke Chapman's single-game receiving record with 327 yards on 13 receptions in the Panthers' 42-25 win over Pacific Lutheran on Saturday night. The night started with Dull catching a 71-yard touchdown pass on Chapman's first play from scrimmage. He then followed with a 49-yard touchdown catch on the Panthers' next offensive drive. Dull finished the night catching a short pass and scrambled 36 more yards, stopped 1 yard from his third touchdown.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2006, 09:14:12 PM
The Division III record for receiving yards in a game is 418.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BVHawk on November 11, 2006, 10:27:23 PM
Congrats to Wilkes for making the playoffs and best of luck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 12, 2006, 03:17:39 AM
dang, close... thanks pat

good luck to those who make ncaa's from the mac
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 12, 2006, 10:10:44 AM
Widener may be the "Pride", but DVC has the Pride - Aggie Pride - Way to go Del Val, last three games - shut-outs!!  To this Aggie fan, you're ALL the BEST!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 12, 2006, 10:11:44 AM
Hangtime

At this rate you will even the series in ohhh about...2032   ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 12, 2006, 02:08:13 PM
they might as well anchor that keystone cup in dtown its going no where for a while!!! well done dvc 3 shutouts in row!!! thank you seniors for giving us all you had for 4 years and a ton of great memories!!! good luck in whatever happens from here on out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on November 12, 2006, 02:52:01 PM
Way to blow off Wilkes on the selection show, then again can you blame blame pat considering his history at Wilkes with basketball..... When it comes down to it, Wilkes has the advantage with its crowd and it will be in rare form this weekend. Its been 13 yrs since the last Home playoff game, and it wont be the last! I been saying it all year...


....BELIEVE....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 12, 2006, 02:59:30 PM
wumac....give pat a chance or ask what the deal was before taking that kinda shot at him....i can understand your upset but find out what went on first before you blast away like that imho...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2006, 03:04:02 PM
How many teams did we exactly talk about? There was footage of Wilkes -- most people are usually far more ecstatic about that part of the deal.

I didn't talk about top seeds Wesley or UW-Whitewater either. Kind of the nature of the beast.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on November 12, 2006, 04:18:13 PM
Nice to see Wilkes on its way, hopefully they go far.  Its nice looking at the bracket, seeing that somewhere in college football a real champion is crowned.  The teams do it, not the computers, I would love to see this at the 1-a level...any thoughts?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on November 12, 2006, 05:32:42 PM
Hey Bman...By 2032 I'll be daed and long gone but the memories of these last 4 years whipping up on Widener will stay with me. Nothing was as sweet as the game in 2003...56-55....we stole the cup that year. Not too shabby for a bunch of upstarts from Doylestown huh??? They have had Widener's number for these past few years.

WUMAC....Way to show Pat how the Wilkes fans really are, clueless, classless. You guys finally made it to the dance and congrats to the team members and staff but the fans are classless morons. I saw first hand how they treat opposing fans and team member back in September. You guys could never be the 12th man as you dont know how. Get a clue.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: olinerules75 on November 12, 2006, 06:14:32 PM
Hangtime, please do not bash the wilkes fans. I am a former player and thank the fans for the support they give the team. The people are not "classless morons." They are people out cheering on their team. I was at the Del Val vs Wilkes game. I would like to inform you that I heard several delval fans yelling at wilkes players after the game was over (when the players are talking with family and friends on the field) about how they shouldnt be proud of anything because they didnt even play in the game. Classless??? There were also 3 delval fans that were clearly intoxicated that were trying to start a fight with wilkes fans that were visiting with their son on the field. Classless??? Maybe you should stop pointing the finger and take a look at yourself. Congrats to all the MAC teams on a great year and GO WILKES! Make sure you make a statement and represent the MAC in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 12, 2006, 06:39:52 PM
hangtime

lol...it is true, DV has certainly been the better team the last 4 years...

Don't get too attached to that cup though.... ;)

Wilkes, all the best in this years playoffs...represent the MAC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACchamp on November 12, 2006, 08:25:04 PM
whats the chances of the aggies getting a bowl bid? anyone know anything bout the selection process?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2006, 08:16:48 AM
oline there is a old saying "act like you have been here before...." joe paterno uses it alot for his players when they score td's to keep them from the stupid over the top celebrations players sometimes do....i think a number of people on here wish wilkes fans would take that saying to heart. that being said we wish all mac teams nothing but the best in the playoffs and represent the mac well on and OFF the field.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2006, 02:15:52 PM
well aggie fans we have salisbury coming to town on saturday....who knows anything about them? i checked their schedule and they seemed to have an up/down -- streaky kinda year....they beat widener and w&j while losing to montclair and wesley....one thing i do know they are coming in against a defense that is red hot with 3 shutouts in a row and ready to lay the lumber and take out their frustrations about not making the ncaa's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on November 13, 2006, 02:16:47 PM
Pat,
im a wilkes fan so im asking this just so i know, not implying this will happen. But, just say Wilkes wins the East, does this mean they will play the winner of the North, and seeing as how Mount Union is there, they would have to travel to Ohio provided Mount Union wins?

I'm only asking because I was told last week they would have home field all the way through (as long as they kept winning) and then would play the winner of the South. I'm guessing that might have been ASSUMED before the actual selection of the 32 teams was made and the regions rankings changed due to teams having to switch to other regions based on the NCAA's policies. Would I be correct with that assumption?

Any response is appreciated
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on November 13, 2006, 02:36:56 PM
Not Pat here but I came on to ask a question and I think I have an answer to the below question.

You are right the Mt Union/ North region is seed #1 and the Wilkes/East region is seeded #4. Thus, if you would play Mt. Union it would be in Alliance. Now if Mt. Union happened to lose then Wilkes would host the Semi as they would be the higher remaining seed. ;)

As for my question. What are the tailgating possibilities/policies at Wilkes? I may have a small group of Bridgewater fans coming up to the game. Obviously we are not in the playoffs for the first time in 6 years, I've seen CNU & W&J enough over the last 3 years, and this was the next closest venue to see a game. I looked at the map and saw the stadium is over by the park, etc. Any info about policies would be appreciated. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 13, 2006, 02:45:52 PM
Up that's just great to play someone we don't usually get to see. I was afraid it would be someone like Ursinus, ugh. But at least fresh meat will be nice for the defense, who as you said, have been really bringing it of late. As for the kind of team they are, I don't believe they throw the ball much, I think they run the option offense, but run a higher percentage of the time. As for losing to Wesley, they are in great company, as Wesley has been cleaning up on everyone.

To Wilkes, wish you well, and hope you do the MAC proud, both on and off the field. Also, I'm sure some arrangements will have to be made to corral the unrulies in the endzone. I doubt NCAA would tolerate that in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: olinerules75 on November 13, 2006, 06:57:01 PM
Llamaguy, at wilkes you are welcome to bring all the food you want, but you are not allowed alcoholic bev on the grounds...unless you are like me and just drink it out of a cup instead of the cans...there is plenty of parking at the field...you have the wilkes lot at one endzone and then Kirby parking lot is right on the other side of the practice field
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: olinerules75 on November 13, 2006, 06:59:34 PM
any predictions for the games this weekend???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on November 13, 2006, 07:29:20 PM
llamaguy, thank u for the reply i appreciate it, and the parents of the wilkes students are always in the parking lot before the game with food and alcohol (in cups) and as long as the tailgaters control themselves, the public safety officers have allowed them to do their own thing. We hope you come to the game even if it is for the opposing team, the bigger the crowd, the more fun it is for small school football players. (yes, the game is enough but the more fans, the better  ;))

maaggie, the wilkes crowd has been pushed back ever since the del val game with a fence around the endzone so no fan can get as close as they were in the beginning of the season, however, i never commented on the student body that loves to CHEER for their team. If i didnt know them, like all of the people who posted negative comments, i might have said the same things, but in their defense, they do not look for trouble in the way most people think they do. They are all good people and good friends to the players, that like to "mess" with the opponents, hoping to help their team and give them any sort of advantage during the game. That to me, because i know them, shows me their friendship and shows that they want to help their team. To an opposing team i understand how it can seem negative but at every sporting event, fans always disagree, but please join the wilkes crowd in cheering for the MAC representative in the NCAA's. Maybe not as the students of wilkes do but in ur own way, that would be greatly appreciated. We all fight each other all season long to be the ones representing the MAC, now we hope that all of the other schools are rooting for us as well and i believe the sportsmanship in the MAC is great enough to allow for this to occur. Congrats to all MAC teams for an outstanding and very competitive season. Good luck to all ECAC bowl teams in being a champion of ur own.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on November 13, 2006, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: olinerules75 on November 13, 2006, 06:57:01 PM
Llamaguy, at wilkes you are welcome to bring all the food you want, but you are not allowed alcoholic bev on the grounds...unless you are like me and just drink it out of a cup instead of the cans...there is plenty of parking at the field...you have the wilkes lot at one endzone and then Kirby parking lot is right on the other side of the practice field

That sounds pretty standard for D3 schools. This group of guys are a bunch that graduated over 20 years ago so our partying days are behind us. Except for Saturdays, just kidding, LOL!
I normally feed about 75 people every Saturday at Bridgewater games and at the Stagg Bowl each year. It will be a little different bringing a mini grill and food for 4 but we want to see a D3 game somewhere next week. Thank you and MACguy for the info. We may see you there. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2006, 09:40:36 PM
Quote from: MACguy on November 13, 2006, 02:16:47 PM
I'm only asking because I was told last week they would have home field all the way through (as long as they kept winning) and then would play the winner of the South.

Yeah, the rotation does not happen anymore. They threw that out with the old 16-team brackets in 1998.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2006, 10:15:53 PM
well said macguy it is good to see wilkes admin took a volatile situation and helped defuse it from any future problems.....good luck to wilkes this weekend and represent the mac well!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 13, 2006, 11:33:16 PM
Wilkes fans i would have to say arent as bad as the rep they are getting. Obnoxious fans are a common place in the mac, whether you accept it or not...haha.... good luck to wilkes and other mac teams in ecac
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on November 14, 2006, 12:56:04 AM
Much has been posted this year about the Wilkes' fans and they have become a part of the game. They are good kids that love to have fun,  cheer for their team and... pick on the opponents a bit. I just ask you keep the obsenities out of the equation. It is much more difficult to get under an opponent's skin without using obsenities.

Anyway - there is a blog on D3 about seniors this week and Wilkes has 17 great ones who have provided many thrills the past 4 years. I want to thank you guys for many great Saturday afternoons and kudos to some of the seniors who have contributed on special teams and hung in there without as much playing time and fanfare:
Frank Giammarrino, Dan Luskin, Kickers - Ryan Yurewicz & Kevin Keller - you guys have provided much effort and leadership.

Colonels will outrank Generals this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on November 14, 2006, 12:37:13 PM
the last few posts i have seen show how football fans really are, once all the fighting between conference teams are done, ppl can come together, thats great. Llamaguy I hope to see u, and anyone else who wants to see a good football game, there.

Go COLONELS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hit1sticks on November 14, 2006, 07:01:46 PM
Some news out of Albright, as Coach Sandusky has resigned. No word yet on who will be replacing him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2006, 08:39:33 PM
The Reading Eagle reports on the Sandusky situation here -- http://www.readingeagle.com/re/sports/1594638.asp

I'm very sorry to see him go.  I always enjoyed speaking to him during the preseason.  He is honest, humorous and insightful.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2006, 08:44:29 PM
By the way, the Del Val-Widener broadcast is now posted here (http://www.broadcastmonsters.com/Delvalley/delvalley111106.asx).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 16, 2006, 12:47:42 PM
congrats to 11 aggies being named to the all-mac team!!!       
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-11162006-742824.html 
(yes pat i did look on the front page and didnt see this listed anywhere...)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 17, 2006, 04:29:19 PM
good luck to dvc this weekend!!! lets take care of business and thank you all the seniors again for great memories......lets go out on a winning note!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2006, 12:30:17 AM
And the seniors at Del Val will try to do just that in the ECAC South Bowl...

Delaware Valley
vrs
Salisbury

Kickoff is 12 PM with pregame at 11:15 AM on www.Allinbroadcasting.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on November 18, 2006, 12:38:29 PM
1st round update,


Wilkes 21 W&L 0

Start 2nd
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2006, 07:33:43 PM
Congrats to Wilkes.

Quite a performance in the first round.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on November 18, 2006, 08:05:07 PM
Quote from: MACguy on November 13, 2006, 02:16:47 PM
Pat,
im a wilkes fan so im asking this just so i know, not implying this will happen. But, just say Wilkes wins the East, does this mean they will play the winner of the North, and seeing as how Mount Union is there, they would have to travel to Ohio provided Mount Union wins?

I'm only asking because I was told last week they would have home field all the way through (as long as they kept winning) and then would play the winner of the South. I'm guessing that might have been ASSUMED before the actual selection of the 32 teams was made and the regions rankings changed due to teams having to switch to other regions based on the NCAA's policies. Would I be correct with that assumption?

Any response is appreciated

Ah, but if you do go to Alliance on that day you may be seeing Fisher / Mt. Union  8)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 18, 2006, 10:18:04 PM
Congrats wu.... and to wilkes, congrats and good luck next week!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACguy on November 19, 2006, 01:43:21 PM
tags, thats why i said im not implying this will happen, i was just wondering... but "cute" comment... haha good luck to ur team...

GO COLONELS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on November 19, 2006, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: MACguy on November 19, 2006, 01:43:21 PM
tags, thats why i said im not implying this will happen, i was just wondering... but "cute" comment... haha good luck to ur team...

GO COLONELS!!!

Ditto MAC - Just frienldy fire :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rowanlb92 on November 19, 2006, 08:58:51 PM
Wilkes fans,

Congrats on the nice win this weekend.  How about helping out a Rowan fan?  I'm looking for some options for a nice hotel near the college.  I would prefer one with an indoor pool for the 4 kids. 

Last year I followed advice from Union fans and the place was pretty dumpy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on November 19, 2006, 11:06:30 PM
I would call the Woodlands resort, to see what they have open there, bear in mind that the flooding last week affected them so i am not sure how much of the hotel is operational. If that is not available i would suggest a basic chain hotel around Wilkes Barre. There are two by the square(Center of city) Genetti's Best Western, and I think it is a Hilton garden hotel now. Then again you could always bunk up here with he Wilkes fans for a night of boozing...  :-\
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SU Backer on November 20, 2006, 09:32:23 AM
Hey, maAggie - how was that "fresh meat"?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 20, 2006, 12:04:11 PM
Quote from: SU Backer on November 20, 2006, 09:32:23 AM
Hey, maAggie - how was that "fresh meat"?

LOL...you show up now to do your hit and run? why not wait until baseball season started....chowderhead...good luck to you and su in going to your new conference where you won't get your ears kicked in weekly and arent afraid to compete...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 20, 2006, 02:03:06 PM
well put pbr
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SU Backer on November 20, 2006, 02:18:04 PM
Hey, I'm not the "chowderhead" that called a bunch of college kids "fresh meat". Save that type of b.s. for the pro game if you really feel that way about athletes. FYI, was just looking for any Westbrook sighting comments when I came across what I feel is an outrageous comment about college football players. Kinda sensitive when someone calls you on it I guess.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SU Backer on November 20, 2006, 02:21:57 PM
Oh and what new conference? Considering SU won the ACFC outright after an undefeated regular season in '04 and tied for the title last year with Wesley,I don't see them running from any competition.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 20, 2006, 03:11:12 PM
not sensitive at all...but when you come on here after the season and weeks after the game has been played and call someone out is kinda silly?
it would be like calling someone out on a jab they made last season...come on bring something to the table.... and since your not a regular poster i will extend the clue fon 2 u...there is usually a little trash talking before a game done by fans of teams that is done in good fun and people move on the following week....if your that sensitive about that being said i suggest you delete your login and not lurk here anymore or get thicker skin....p.s. dont let the door hit you or su on the way out of the mac
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 20, 2006, 03:14:51 PM
PBR, I think he's a different SU...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 20, 2006, 03:18:18 PM
LOL..your correct grove...i assumed he was a river boy.... with SU on the MAC board....hey su where is your fan base i figured some of you guys would be around before last weeks game but not a single poster showed nor do i remember seeing any sallie posters around?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SU Backer on November 20, 2006, 03:23:58 PM
To clue you in...The SU I'm referring to is Salisbury University and it was the game Saturday November 18th that they beat the Delaware Aggies in the ECAC bowl, I was referring to in my post. maAggies post referred to the incoming Salisbury team as "fresh meat". Go back and read the posts leading up to this game-it struck a nerve with the language used-maybe I was being too sensitive too. We don't run from anyone- I would love for us to be in the MAC- looks like a good league with good competition from the 2 teams that we have played this year and last. We are definately not leaving the ACFC. We play in a league without an AQ which means you pretty much need to win the league and go undefeated. I guess you thought I was from Susquehanna?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 20, 2006, 03:35:15 PM
ummm...yeah if you read my post right here ^^^^^^^^^^^^
It would be good to play SU when the game means something, and both teams come ready to play. lemme give u a little clue...if you think fresh meat is deragatory your showing you definetly are a novice and new in these parts there is a lot worse things said and teams called.....yes your being waaaaay too sensitive. but good to see some fresh meat posting from other teams... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 20, 2006, 06:33:25 PM
To SU, yes you are too sensitive. As I was referring to having to play Ursinus as was mentioned as a possible opponent for the ECAC game and we scrimmage them annually. I hardly felt it was derogatory at all. In fact the game was entertaining as we saw an offense we hadn't faced all year. I would say congrats, but I wouldn't want to offend your sensibilities any further.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: olinerules75 on November 20, 2006, 08:38:20 PM
SU you must realize that if you are going to post here that the Del Val fans do not take to kindly to losing. They express their frustration through the post patterns instead of on the field :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on November 20, 2006, 09:10:02 PM

Wilkes fans,

Congrats on the nice win this weekend.  How about helping out a Rowan fan?  I'm looking for some options for a nice hotel near the college.  I would prefer one with an indoor pool for the 4 kids. 

Last year I followed advice from Union fans and the place was pretty dumpy.


RLB92 - here are some links with hotel info.

[http://www.24hourbooking.net/review/Wilkes+Barre]

http://www.frequent-traveller.biz/deals/Wilkes+Barre

or just google Wilkes Barre PA

I have only stayed at the Woodlands - it has a nice restaurant and good bars but probably not appropriate with 4 kids. There are plenty of mid level chains in the area, but can't vouch for the quality.
Hope you find a nice place.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 20, 2006, 09:32:12 PM
Quote from: olinerules75 on November 20, 2006, 08:38:20 PM
SU you must realize that if you are going to post here that the Del Val fans do not take to kindly to losing. They express their frustration through the post patterns instead of on the field :D
true...true....we lose with class and express our frustrations here unlike your team and fans.... :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on November 20, 2006, 11:00:47 PM
Any news out of Albright, as far as who put in for the job? Any favorites as of right now? And how are the players reacting to the decision?  Is this good or bad for the program?  Any info at all would be nice.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 21, 2006, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 20, 2006, 03:18:18 PM
LOL..your correct grove...i assumed he was a river boy....

Well you're close... since he's Salisbury, he's an ocean boy.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BVHawk on November 21, 2006, 02:14:45 PM
Congrats Wilkes on an impressive shutout win over Washington & Lee.  Good luck in the 2nd round!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 22, 2006, 10:40:36 AM
happy turkey day all dvc'rs and alumni and to all mac'rs .....and good luck to wilkes this weekend open up a giant size can on rowan, it would be nice to see the mac get a team deep into the playoffs!!  and congrats to dvc wrestling team for crushing kings in wrestling and being ranked #6 in the nation....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on November 25, 2006, 03:40:02 PM
uPBRmeASAP

Just finished up reading your posts...how do you do it??? Keeping up the positive Karma? Some pretty good bantering with the SU guy....Have been out of the loop with health issues, but back now. Take care
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on November 25, 2006, 08:04:36 PM
How disappointing! I heard the score was 14-7 in the 4th only to learn that Wilkes mistakes caused them to lose to Rowan. I guess the adage it's better to be lucky than good finds itself attached to Rowan once again this year. Of course the fact that they are annual participants in the NCAA's gives them an edge when it comes to close games, but I still think it was pure luck that they are even there this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 25, 2006, 09:29:32 PM
Fear the Ram

The Profs beat an 8-0 Cortland team and now a 10-0 Wilkes team ... 2 highly ranked teams and you say its Luck!

You're an idiot! ;)  'Nuff said!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: naismith on November 25, 2006, 10:24:03 PM
RU fan,

Congrats on the 21-14 win today.
A gritty hard fought win.

It was a beautiful afternoon for football and two excellent teams literally 'slugged' it out.
A pretty 'even' game decided by the late turnover and some determined play by RU.
I give them all the credit for playing hard down the wire. No quit in that team.
Both defenses really played well. The Profs stymied Wilkes a number of times when in scoring position (see 2 missed field goals)...
Wilkes d-line played well. The secondary gave up a few plays as they are prone to do but the 3 picks were big.

Have you always had that much trouble with your long snapper?
And were the kickoffs intentionally sent out of bounds or were they just trying to angle them for coverage purposes?

Have to say the Prof fans were great even when behind...lol
Just a great day of football and  a great atmosphere.

I couldn't see the late game end zone pass interference call. Did you see it and id you think it was close or a no brainer??
My friend said it was a bad call in his opinion. (that was the one that set up 1st and goal at the 2 instead of 4th and goal from the 9).

good luck the rest of the way and win one for my old high school pals that are all Glassboro alum!!

Naismith
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on November 26, 2006, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 25, 2006, 09:29:32 PM
Fear the Ram

The Profs beat an 8-0 Cortland team and now a 10-0 Wilkes team ... 2 highly ranked teams and you say its Luck!

You're an idiot! ;)  'Nuff said!

Even bad teams get lucky sometimes RU.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 26, 2006, 09:30:25 AM
Hard to call it luck when it keeps happening -- Cortland, Hobart and now Wilkes.  Rowan finds ways to win.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on November 26, 2006, 10:17:45 AM
Quote from: FearTheRam on November 25, 2006, 08:04:36 PM
How disappointing! I heard the score was 14-7 in the 4th only to learn that Wilkes mistakes caused them to lose to Rowan. I guess the adage it's better to be lucky than good finds itself attached to Rowan once again this year. Of course the fact that they are annual participants in the NCAA's gives them an edge when it comes to close games, but I still think it was pure luck that they are even there this year.

Ram,

Stop being an excuse maker and get over your jealousy.  Lucky, yeah right.  Was RU "lucky" last week when they fumbled on their own 9 to Hobart, gave up the late TD and 2 pt conversion to go down, then drove the field in under 2 minutes for the winning FG.  That's called experience and a never quit attitude.  By the way, who is your team?

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 26, 2006, 11:55:08 AM
Hostility, that sums up these past few posts. MACr's gotta give it to Rowan, they found what it takes to win, and do it year in and year out. Wilkes is still a pretty darn good team, just sounds as if they made some mistakes. All you can do now is hope that Rowan does well, so that you can say that your team lost to a team that was top 2, top 4 or whatever. Call it luck, call it grit, call it whatever, Rowan won, and obviously has what it takes to be in the position they are. Kudos.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 26, 2006, 12:01:13 PM
Quote from: WUMAC on November 26, 2006, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 25, 2006, 09:29:32 PM
Fear the Ram

The Profs beat an 8-0 Cortland team and now a 10-0 Wilkes team ... 2 highly ranked teams and you say its Luck!

You're an idiot! ;)  'Nuff said!

Even bad teams get lucky sometimes RU.

WUMAC

Not much to say to you but ..... DITTO ..... the above post.

Oh, by the way, you're an IDIOT also ;)  More than 'Nuff said!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 26, 2006, 12:49:46 PM
hmmm lets see cortland was overrated this year as RPI proved...everyone has been saying that Hobart was not as good as their record...and wilkes coaches gave Rowan the game... why would you possibly call a play that could fumble while running down the clock
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 26, 2006, 12:57:43 PM
Quote from: Superman57 on November 26, 2006, 12:49:46 PM
hmmm lets see cortland was overrated this year as RPI proved...everyone has been saying that Hobart was not as good as their record...and wilkes coaches gave Rowan the game... why would you possibly call a play that could fumble while running down the clock


Judging from the boxscore it looks as though it might have been a botched snap....

Also, the only reason why Cortland was "overrated" was because they were without their QB's.  If Smith plays the entire season Cortland is in the NCAA's.  Also, Cortland has a history of packing it in while in the ECAC's (not taking anything away from RPI) when playing a good team. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on November 26, 2006, 02:01:50 PM
Winners find a way to win, losers find a way to lose, and fans make excuses.

Wilkes is a good team, and will get better. I think the Red Hawks pick you up next year. We owe you one from a few years back. Should be fun next year.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUMAC on November 26, 2006, 02:13:37 PM
RU did nothing but fall on the ball and get lucky they did not cause the fumble. When you have a fumble on the Center QB exchange, with 1:10 left its called luck for Rowan and a stupid mistake for WU. and there is no excuses in that statement its all pure facts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 26, 2006, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: WUMAC on November 26, 2006, 02:13:37 PM
RU did nothing but fall on the ball and get lucky they did not cause the fumble. When you have a fumble on the Center QB exchange, with 1:10 left its called luck for Rowan and a stupid mistake for WU. and there is no excuses in that statement its all pure facts.

WUMAC

You want to talk facts .... lets get at it.  If not for 2 stupid play calls by the RU coaches, it would have been 21 zip at the half.  RU pushed Wilkes around the whole 1st half.  Wilkes came out fired up in the 3rd and early 4th and were playing well.  Wilkes faded with about 6-7 minutes to go and started making mistakes.

You're right, the fumble was a QB/center exchange problem, you know, a mistake.  The high snap in the 1st quarter by RU on their 1st possession while they were going in to score was, you know, a mistake.  The high snap on the extra point attempting to tie the game by RU was, you know, a mistake.

What's your point?  Mistakes happen in football.  Bottom line is, you lost ....accept it.  If not, get to the grocery store and buy some Kleenex!  Wow, talk about a cry baby. ::)

Now let's forget about you and talk about the game (who cares about you anyway?) 

Wilkes played a very inspired game and showed that they belonged there.  Difference was .... they made their mistakes at a more critical time than RU made their mistakes.

Oh, WUMAC, if you want to think that RU sucks and that you got screwed, be my guest.  Whatever makes you feel better ;)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 26, 2006, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Superman57 on November 26, 2006, 12:49:46 PM
hmmm lets see cortland was overrated this year as RPI proved...everyone has been saying that Hobart was not as good as their record...and wilkes coaches gave Rowan the game... why would you possibly call a play that could fumble while running down the clock

Stuperman

I hope that Orihel sees the picture, maybe he'll have a few surprises for you on Saturday .... then you can cry like WUMAC.

But, Stuperman, you're right, RU does, in fact, suck.  They are only lucky.  Keep thinking that until next Saturday at about 4 PM.

I hope that the SJF coaches are as myopic as their fans!...unfortunately, I don't think they will be ;)

Oh, by the way, Mister Uninformed Stuperman, the fumble was a muffed QB/center exchange .... didn't happen on a bad play call!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: profs_fan on November 26, 2006, 10:35:12 PM
I must be getting old.  Cortland fans, Hobart fans and Wilks fans were all class acts.  Yesterday at the Wilks field the only thing that bothered me was the wooden bleaches and Spot-a-Johns.  I don't like wooden planks that go down when you step on them and absolutely cannot us a spot-a-pot.

There were Wilks fans next to me and in back of me.  Great guys with a few sons with them.  We all agreed on the calls of the ref's and we agreed that a Rowan D-back got away with holding on a Wilks receiver's Jersey.

After Rowan muffed the point after I really had to go.  Had to used the spot-a-pot.......too many diet Cokes. 

When I came out of the spot-a-pot the Rowan defensive players on the field were all pointing that they recovered a fumbled.  Next thing that happens is Rowan gets a TD and completed the two point conversion.

Last week I had lunch with another Rowan staff person at a Chinese place.
My fortune cookie said "To have success in life you must know where the goal posts are."  Rowan gets a field goal with 12 seconds left in the game to beat Hobart.

Will be going up to St. John Fisher on Friday.  Will be looking for a Chinese place to eat and hope that St. John Fisher has spot-a-pots but does not have wooden planks in the bleachers.

In all seriousness, the Wilks players, coaches and fans are class acts and good sportspersons.  Rowan has added Wilks to our schedule next year.  We don't have spot-a-pots but the ladies room line lasts beyond half time. 
Be careful with excessive liquids.  We have wooden planks in the bleachers as of right now.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on November 26, 2006, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 26, 2006, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Superman57 on November 26, 2006, 12:49:46 PM
hmmm lets see cortland was overrated this year as RPI proved...everyone has been saying that Hobart was not as good as their record...and wilkes coaches gave Rowan the game... why would you possibly call a play that could fumble while running down the clock

Stuperman

I hope that Orihel sees the picture, maybe he'll have a few surprises for you on Saturday .... then you can cry like WUMAC.

But, Stuperman, you're right, RU does, in fact, suck.  They are only lucky.  Keep thinking that until next Saturday at about 4 PM.

I hope that the SJF coaches are as myopic as their fans!...unfortunately, I don't think they will be ;)

Oh, by the way, Mister Uninformed Stuperman, the fumble was a muffed QB/center exchange .... didn't happen on a bad play call!

While I understand your sentiments towards Superman, I wouldn't be so quick to say things like "keep thinking that until next saturday at 4"... That has been the tune the last two teams were singing heading into Saturday against Fisher as well.

Also, if Orihel does in fact see that picture, will he be more or less likely to throw multiple picks vs. the Fisher secondary?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 26, 2006, 11:16:27 PM
Profs fan...PK Changs in Eastview mall exit 27 or 28 on 490 is a good chineese place...and no the bleachers are almunimum...though from what I'm hearing it might be hard to find a seat period on saturday... and RU fan grow up....I was saying that Rowan should not be celebrating that win because it was giftwraped for them...not saying they didn't deserve to win because you have to take all the oppurtunity's that come...stop posting like an a$$
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on November 27, 2006, 09:59:03 AM
I think it's called PF Changs but I could be wrong
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 27, 2006, 11:23:07 AM
I think your right booby
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 11:43:08 AM
Quote from: Superman57 on November 26, 2006, 11:16:27 PM
Profs fan...PK Changs in Eastview mall exit 27 or 28 on 490 is a good chineese place...and no the bleachers are almunimum...though from what I'm hearing it might be hard to find a seat period on saturday... and RU fan grow up....I was saying that Rowan should not be celebrating that win because it was giftwraped for them...not saying they didn't deserve to win because you have to take all the oppurtunity's that come...stop posting like an a$$

Stuperman

You the a$$ that posted the picture and said that everyone that RU plays is over rated .... not me!

I have the highest respect for SJF (the team) ....  They wouldn't be where they are if they didn't deserve it .... you know, like Hobart, Cortland, Wilkes ...... and Rowan. 

If you showed a bit of respect, you wouldn't have people jumping down your throat.

You're the only SJF fan that I have had the extreme pleasure to encounter at this point.  I'll reserve my opinion on the fans until some rational posters chime in.

By the way, dope ..... its PF Chang's. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 12:02:42 PM
Quote from: Tags on November 26, 2006, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 26, 2006, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: Superman57 on November 26, 2006, 12:49:46 PM
hmmm lets see cortland was overrated this year as RPI proved...everyone has been saying that Hobart was not as good as their record...and wilkes coaches gave Rowan the game... why would you possibly call a play that could fumble while running down the clock

Stuperman

I hope that Orihel sees the picture, maybe he'll have a few surprises for you on Saturday .... then you can cry like WUMAC.

But, Stuperman, you're right, RU does, in fact, suck.  They are only lucky.  Keep thinking that until next Saturday at about 4 PM.

I hope that the SJF coaches are as myopic as their fans!...unfortunately, I don't think they will be ;)

Oh, by the way, Mister Uninformed Stuperman, the fumble was a muffed QB/center exchange .... didn't happen on a bad play call!

While I understand your sentiments towards Stuperman, I wouldn't be so quick to say things like "keep thinking that until next saturday at 4"... That has been the tune the last two teams were singing heading into Saturday against Fisher as well.

Also, if Orihel does in fact see that picture, will he be more or less likely to throw multiple picks vs. the Fisher secondary?

Tags

I have no question that SJF will be prepared on Saturday.  See my reply to Stuperman regarding my opinion of the SJF team.  Give respect and you get respect.  SJF wouldn't be where they are if they didn't deserve it.   Don't confuse a post aimed at a myopic Stuperman as an opinion of the team and/or coaches. 

If you research my posts since I've been on PP, I think you would be hard pressed to find a post where I denegrated opposing teams or individual players .... irrational opposing fans ....hell Yes! 8)

Regarding Orihel, you'll have to deal with him on Saturday.

See, my opinion of SJF fans is changing already .... you're only about 1/2 as bad as Stuperman! ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 27, 2006, 12:10:13 PM
if you've seen any of my other pictures they are directed towards a good player on the other team....no offense meant...  and my post was to you bashing on wilkes....nothing other than that....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 27, 2006, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 11:43:08 AM

Stuperman

.........

If you showed a bit of respect, you wouldn't have people jumping down your throat.

You're the only SJF fan that I have had the extreme pleasure to encounter at this point.  I'll reserve my opinion on the fans until some rational posters chime in.

By the way, dope ..... its PF Chang's. ;)

RU Fan

A little Ironic that you posted this about being THE poster from a team that everyone else has no respect for, since you are THAT poster for RU...

go spout that crap on your own board.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 27, 2006, 12:26:40 PM
+K bman
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: bman on November 27, 2006, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 11:43:08 AM

Stuperman

.........

If you showed a bit of respect, you wouldn't have people jumping down your throat.

You're the only SJF fan that I have had the extreme pleasure to encounter at this point.  I'll reserve my opinion on the fans until some rational posters chime in.

By the way, dope ..... its PF Chang's. ;)

RU Fan

A little Ironic that you posted this about being THE poster from a team that everyone else has no respect for, since you are THAT poster for RU...

go spout that crap on your own board.....

bman

Thank you for being the "Champion of the Oppressed" and defending Stuperman.

I apologize ..... I obviously lost my head when Stuperman posted a picture of a player getting drilled and addressed a Rowan player directly while basically saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, that RU sucks. ;D 

Gee, I wonder what you would have done in that situation ???  I guess you don't mind when someone singles out a player for his own gratification.

However, I'm sure that Stuperman appreciates your support since he gave you +K for it.  Me?  I could care less what you or Stuperman thinks! :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 27, 2006, 04:21:14 PM
RU fan are you truly serious....this is a message board I guess my picture has done exatcly it's purpose because it has riled you.... you are the one acting like a child.....GROW UP!!!! and I said nothing to the point that RU sucks in fact I think they have an incredible defense but I was only stating the obivious they had a hard time against an average Hobart team...and they got lucky on a bad mistake by Wilkes... No team that makes it to the final 8 is bad but you can get lucky
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JQV on November 27, 2006, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: bman on November 27, 2006, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 11:43:08 AM

Stuperman

.........

If you showed a bit of respect, you wouldn't have people jumping down your throat.

You're the only SJF fan that I have had the extreme pleasure to encounter at this point.  I'll reserve my opinion on the fans until some rational posters chime in.

By the way, dope ..... its PF Chang's. ;)

RU Fan

A little Ironic that you posted this about being THE poster from a team that everyone else has no respect for, since you are THAT poster for RU...

go spout that crap on your own board.....

bman

Thank you for being the "Champion of the Oppressed" and defending Stuperman.

I apologize ..... I obviously lost my head when Stuperman posted a picture of a player getting drilled and addressed a Rowan player directly while basically saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, that RU sucks. ;D 

Gee, I wonder what you would have done in that situation ???  I guess you don't mind when someone singles out a player for his own gratification.

However, I'm sure that Stuperman appreciates your support since he gave you +K for it.  Me?  I could care less what you or Stuperman thinks! :D

RU Fan of Orihel?

RU Father of Orihel?

RU overly touchy?

RU surprised fans make fun of oppossing players?

RU oblivious to the actions of your fellow inmates?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: joseqviper on November 27, 2006, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: bman on November 27, 2006, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 11:43:08 AM

Stuperman

.........

If you showed a bit of respect, you wouldn't have people jumping down your throat.

You're the only SJF fan that I have had the extreme pleasure to encounter at this point.  I'll reserve my opinion on the fans until some rational posters chime in.

By the way, dope ..... its PF Chang's. ;)

RU Fan

A little Ironic that you posted this about being THE poster from a team that everyone else has no respect for, since you are THAT poster for RU...

go spout that crap on your own board.....

bman

Thank you for being the "Champion of the Oppressed" and defending Stuperman.

I apologize ..... I obviously lost my head when Stuperman posted a picture of a player getting drilled and addressed a Rowan player directly while basically saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, that RU sucks. ;D 

Gee, I wonder what you would have done in that situation ???  I guess you don't mind when someone singles out a player for his own gratification.

However, I'm sure that Stuperman appreciates your support since he gave you +K for it.  Me?  I could care less what you or Stuperman thinks! :D

RU Fan of Orihel?

RU Father of Orihel?

RU overly touchy?

RU surprised fans make fun of oppossing players?

RU oblivious to the actions of your fellow inmates?

JV

I'm not defending Orihel, I just don't think its appropriate to single out any player on RU or a player on any team for that matter.  What's that accomplish.  These kids play for free and don't need me or anybody else taking shots at them.  If it makes a particular poster feel good about himself to do so, like Stuperman, .... be my guest ... but don't be surprised if me or someone else, calls you on it.   I just don't choose to do so and I think it says something about those who do. ;)

Oh, the one question of your's that I thought to be worthy of answering was this one: "RU surprised fans make fun of oppossing players?"
  Yea, I do find that surprising .... distasteful,  and surprising.  By the way, opposing has 1 "s".

Stuperman:

Don't forget to give Jose some +K  8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 27, 2006, 05:16:39 PM
It's intimidation trust me if you think a avatar of a player getting tackled saying it's going to happen to your qb is nothing...Go to any ACC school where they do serious research on players like JJ Redick to taunt him durring the game....GROW UP RU FAN of making himself look like an idiot
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 06:05:05 PM
Stuperman

Your posts get more stupid as you go on.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to excuse you way out of in this one.

Now you're trying to compare ACC players to DIII players.  Do you see any difference in the level of exposure between the 2 groups?

I'm officially bowing out of this discussion before you put your foot in your mouth any deeper.  I don't want to be responsible for you choking on a toe or something. >:(

By the way, who taught you sentence structure/punctuation, etc. ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 27, 2006, 06:09:01 PM
YOU ARE AN IDIOT....and a bad representation for all Rowan fans grow up
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 06:11:03 PM
Quote from: Superman57 on November 27, 2006, 06:09:01 PM
YOU ARE AN IDIOT....and a bad representation for all Rowan fans grow up

Stuperman

I'm an IDIOT ............. read you last post ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: olinerules75 on November 27, 2006, 08:31:18 PM
Gentlemen, this is an area for commenting on college football. This child-like behavior is becoming quite annoying. I played for wilkes and enjoyed reading the post patterns because people posted about how good a team played, or how exciting a game was. You two just need to grow up. Best of luck to "ALL" teams. Looking forward to the games this weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 27, 2006, 09:11:08 PM
The good news is that apparently Rowan and St. John Fisher joined the MAC since this conversation is happening on this board.

Boy, will this league be tough next year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 27, 2006, 09:38:37 PM
This inane conversation started when RU Fan was bashing wilkes and I laid into him for bashing a great team like wilkes
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on November 27, 2006, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: RU Fan on November 27, 2006, 06:05:05 PM
Stuperman

Your posts get more stupid as you go on.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to excuse you way out of in this one.

Now you're trying to compare ACC players to DIII players.  Do you see any difference in the level of exposure between the 2 groups?

I'm officially bowing out of this discussion before you put your foot in your mouth any deeper.  I don't want to be responsible for you choking on a toe or something. >:(

By the way, who taught you sentence structure/punctuation, etc. ???

Maybe you can't see where Superman is coming from with the JJ Redick comment - being that you're an English teacher and all.

If you get upset over an Icon on a D3 posting board, I suggest you never attend any sporting event past the Division 3 level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dynasty07 on November 27, 2006, 10:48:25 PM
Gordon, we were all thinking it, thanks for saying it.  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on November 27, 2006, 10:50:51 PM
You guys need some chatter on here anyway!!!  8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: radiomike on November 28, 2006, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 27, 2006, 09:11:08 PM
The good news is that apparently Rowan and St. John Fisher joined the MAC since this conversation is happening on this board.

Boy, will this league be tough next year.
Evidently, they also are members of the LL also!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 28, 2006, 11:50:59 AM
Quote from: Superman57 on November 27, 2006, 09:38:37 PM
This inane conversation started when RU Fan was bashing wilkes and I laid into him for bashing a great team like wilkes

For any of you naysayers, go back and read the posts and see who was bashing who and when.  If you gents can read, I said that Wilkes played an inspired game and obviously belonged there, etc., etc. etc.  It was just that their mistakes came at a more critical time than the RU mistakes, etc. etc. etc.

This "inane conversation" conversation started when someone (see if you all can guess who)  was saying that RU didn't belong there and addressed a player directly.

I'll excuse Stuperman's quote above because he obviously has a very short memory and can't read.

I know all of you will miss me but I'll go back to the NJAC board until Stuperman, or any of his misguided supporters,  reappear with a dose of RU venom.  ;) 

Now, you've done it, you all have hurt my feelings. ;D







Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on November 28, 2006, 12:18:47 PM
Quote from: radiomike on November 28, 2006, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 27, 2006, 09:11:08 PM
The good news is that apparently Rowan and St. John Fisher joined the MAC since this conversation is happening on this board.

Boy, will this league be tough next year.
Evidently, they also are members of the LL also!

That's funny... I thought you were allowed to post on other boards.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on November 28, 2006, 12:20:47 PM
RU their mistakes or Rowan's luck? Seems to me Rowan is not very impressive this year. They have squeaked by most of their opponants over the last month or so of the season. As for your presence on this board, regardless of what you assert, you came on here to either gloat or stir the pot, either way your motives are questionable at best, and you deserve whatever bashing you received.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 28, 2006, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: Tags on November 28, 2006, 12:18:47 PM
Quote from: radiomike on November 28, 2006, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 27, 2006, 09:11:08 PM
The good news is that apparently Rowan and St. John Fisher joined the MAC since this conversation is happening on this board.

Boy, will this league be tough next year.
Evidently, they also are members of the LL also!

That's funny... I thought you were allowed to post on other boards.

You are, if you stay on topic.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanTexan on November 28, 2006, 02:03:53 PM
Quote from: FearTheRam on November 28, 2006, 12:20:47 PM
RU their mistakes or Rowan's luck? Seems to me Rowan is not very impressive this year. They have squeaked by most of their opponants over the last month or so of the season. As for your presence on this board, regardless of what you assert, you came on here to either gloat or stir the pot, either way your motives are questionable at best, and you deserve whatever bashing you received.

unimpressive but playing

CK
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RU Fan on November 28, 2006, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: FearTheRam on November 28, 2006, 12:20:47 PM
RU their mistakes or Rowan's luck? Seems to me Rowan is not very impressive this year. They have squeaked by most of their opponants over the last month or so of the season. As for your presence on this board, regardless of what you assert, you came on here to either gloat or stir the pot, either way your motives are questionable at best, and you deserve whatever bashing you received.

Fear the Ram

I'm baaaaaaaack!  Did you guys miss me? 8) 

The Guru has stated above that one may post on other boards if they stay on topic.  Thanks, PC.  So here goes.

RU is in the Quarterfinals if I'm not mistaken.  I checked the NCAA rule book and it states that a team wins if it has at least 1 more point than the other guys.  There wasn't any section listed for "lucky" wins.  Sorry!

Also, my presence on this board was prompted by Stuperman when he chose to say some of the things that you are asserting ... only worse.  I responded to him and the rest is history.  Read the posts!  If you call that stirring the pot, so be it.   As I always say, whatever makes you feel better. ;)

Talking about teams that have been unimpressive this year, what happened to the Feared Ram?  Put down your 'Stones", you're living in a "Glass House".

Now on to Rochester for a tough game against, from what I hear,  a very good team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on December 01, 2006, 09:23:35 PM
Posters,
I'm as big a MAC fan as anyone on the board.  With that being said, Rowan has had and continues to be one of the better programs in D3 football.  U cannot argue with success.  Luck is always part of the formula in any venue in life, including football.  When two good teams go at it ie: WILKES AND ROWAN, sometimes just being lucky for one play can make the difference between winning and losing.  I realize every season differs, but last season one might remember, I was the poster that questioned if any team in the MAC could defeat Rowan.  This season if Rowan and Wilkes played again, Wilkes might just as easily come out on top rather then bein defeated.  It appeared they were pretty evenly matched opponents.  I am writing this post because there appears to be a minute faction on this board that does not wanna give Rowan it's due respect.  GO ROWAN!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 02, 2006, 08:55:01 AM
Mojo

More likely those reactions are more heat of the moment/gameday passion...than disrespect.

Unless someone has had their head in the sand, there is no denying what Rowan has accomplished in the last 10 years or so...

Now it seems that the MAC teams will begin to measure themselves against the "Rowan Yardstick"...and now that we will start to see some long anticipated matchups between the MAC and NJAC, that is exactly what they will get.

Let's just hope they are not  "careful for what you wished for" results.  Being a re-located SJ guy I can tell you that the talent pool in NJ is excellent.  And Rowan has been recruiting hard there... Unless the MAC schools can do a better job over there, we will not get to the levels we hope for....

It was nice to see Wilkes be competitive this year against them.  With the parity in the MAC, hopefully the majority of the OOC MAC games this year will be wins


Only 9 months to go to find out!....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACchamp on December 02, 2006, 03:53:07 PM
Ive been hearing rumors of a lot of DVC players transfering out. is there any truth to this? any one know anything about this???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on December 02, 2006, 10:38:27 PM
Quote from: MACchamp on December 02, 2006, 03:53:07 PM
Ive been hearing rumors of a lot of DVC players transfering out. is there any truth to this? any one know anything about this???

Those kind of athletes would be more than welcome in Rochester, they've got a ton of talent down there.  Thats a shame if it were true.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 04, 2006, 11:17:29 AM
machamp i havent heard anything about a lot of players transfering out, but remember that dvc had a ton of players on the team last year and if your not starting and there is a freshmen or sophmore starting in front of you and your heart is set on starting then a number of players are going to consider going to a different school where they might have a chance to play. as well as other factors....school cost, be closer to home and family, academics, differences with the coaching staff....etc
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on December 04, 2006, 03:03:54 PM
MACchamp,

uPBRmeASAP is correct in his assessment of why a student decides to leave one school for another. I have kind of an inside tract in what you were questioning but havent heard if that is true or not. However, along with uPBRmeASAP's assessment, and the coming to the end of the semester, you will always see some transfers, obviously. But as far as specific players of the football team, I dont see a mass exodus. DVC will stay competitive for a while yet.  Another MAC title, I dont see it for a while yet. 
Personally, I am still a bit bitter regarding this years final outcome. Sure they finished 2nd in the MAC but each game appeared to be a struggle with the exception of a couple.  Isgro is going to be a good QB, and again I hate beating this dead horse, I personally would not have put a freshman in charge to lead a team this talent ladend, that was poised to make another run at the MAC title. I would have made Hasenauer the starter with Isgro and McMonagle as the understudies.  But what do I know as I am just a fan.

There is a change needed at the "O" coordinator Position, in my opinion only. The play calling was suspect and  very predictable. Sure I have heard that the freshman QB could only handle so much in his first year but was that fair to the Seniors who had work so hard for the last 3 years to come to the brink of maybe a third MAC title. Sorry guys, just venting here, I hear its good for the health.

Anybody???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on December 04, 2006, 11:53:10 PM
Hangtime,
I can understand what you are saying.  Going from a 4 year starter, especially one with the leadership of a Knoblauch, to a freshman is difficult. Although, I only had the chance to see Isgro once this year.  This was the right call.  This kid is real.  He threw a nicer ball than any other QB i saw in the mac this year, and he can run.  In my eyes, dont blow this out of context, but he throws a nicer ball than Knoblauch did.  Obviously not the player he was, but that is all to be determined.  I think the coaches at DVC did a good job in bringing this kid in, and I think he will be a big time MAC player.  As a coach, you have to put the kid who is going to give you the best chance to win, as well as the best foundation to build your team around, and I think he was a good pick.  I did only see him once, but I was definitley impressed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 05, 2006, 07:44:40 AM
hangtime that is a really tough call, i tossed that around alot and always seemed to come back to the coaches were the ones that were there everyday to see who should be starting at qb....they will now be set for the next 3 years at qb...and if i take the emotion out of the season (i know it aint easy...) but they lost to wilkes in OT and the team had a bad week against susquehanna, but they won they rest of their games this year and when i look at it that way it was a good season and i  am not convinced they would of been a better team with either of the other 2 qbs starting. course that is just this aggies opinion and not worth the paper i am typing it on....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on December 05, 2006, 05:15:59 PM
Hangtime, I couldn't disagree with you more! The truth is that certain talented seniors were quite unfair to the rest of the team with their work ethic and committment this year. I won't get specific, but let's just say the frosh QB would have liked a little more support from certain players and some extra practice time as well. You keep beating that drum about the talent that returned a refused to look at what was lost. That was significant. As for the coach you referred to, perhaps he just needs a little growing time, the same for the head coach and the rest of the staff, everyone was thrown into a new position and found there were many new responsibilities. Additionally, the tone of practice was hampered some by the aformentioned lack of focus and work ethic. To place the blame of this team's few failures on the shoulder of the frosh QB is the most unfair thing I've ever heard on this board. He has a great deal of talent and dog was correct in his assessment as far as I'm concerned. IMHO
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2006, 03:48:01 PM
Just got an interesting anonymous e-mail. Since the person who wrote it chose the fake name of a MAC coach and I assume that they used a fake address and my response won't get through, I am posting it here in hopes they read it.

This is the message in its entirety, except I bleeped the vulgarity.

QuoteBelow is the result of your feedback form.  It was submitted by
                [name removed] (xxxxxx@aol.com) on  Wednesday, December 06, 2006 at 03:29:30 PM
                ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                Subject: Aztec Bowl
                Notes: It is total f***in bull**** with the members you guys chose for the Aztec
Bowl. D3 Football.com is the biggest blow job website ever. Why dont you look at
actual players that should be going that played for actual good teams. F*** this
site, and I will tell everyoen I know to never read the crap you write on this
website ever again

Reading comprehension appears to be an issue. The story clearly says, right at the very top, "The American Football Coaches Association announced today the roster"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 06, 2006, 03:55:52 PM
pat do you think this came from someone affiliated w/ mac? i say that  only because i see you posted this here and not on all the boards?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 06, 2006, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 06, 2006, 03:55:52 PM
pat do you think this came from someone affiliated w/ mac? i say that  only because i see you posted this here and not on all the boards?

Pat probably has the IP localized to a MAC fan or player.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2006, 05:08:33 PM
Yep. MAC coach's name, shares an IP address with posters on this board from a MAC campus.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on December 06, 2006, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2006, 05:08:33 PM
Yep. MAC coach's name, shares an IP address with posters on this board from a MAC campus.

I hope they get their money back from the MAC School, they can't spell for shiznit!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DustySJU on December 06, 2006, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2006, 03:48:01 PM
Just got an interesting anonymous e-mail. Since the person who wrote it chose the fake name of a MAC coach and I assume that they used a fake address and my response won't get through, I am posting it here in hopes they read it.

This is the message in its entirety, except I bleeped the vulgarity.

QuoteBelow is the result of your feedback form.  It was submitted by
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                Subject: Aztec Bowl
                Notes: It is total f***in bull**** with the members you guys chose for the Aztec
Bowl. D3 Football.com is the biggest blow job website ever. Why dont you look at
actual players that should be going that played for actual good teams. F*** this
site, and I will tell everyoen I know to never read the crap you write on this
website ever again

Reading comprehension appears to be an issue. The story clearly says, right at the very top, "The American Football Coaches Association announced today the roster"

I really liked that one!  ;D

Developing...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 07, 2006, 12:54:09 PM
well done pat to keep yer kewl....a lesser man would of out'd the coach and team but you kept your wits about you and calmly showed him the error of his ways..... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 07, 2006, 01:02:02 PM
Warren

Please stop sending those offensive e-mails to Pat...Im sure we can get a few more LVC players on the team ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on December 07, 2006, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: bman on December 07, 2006, 01:02:02 PM
Warren

Please stop sending those offensive e-mails to Pat...Im sure we can get a few more LVC players on the team ;D

+K to bman.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on December 08, 2006, 10:51:54 AM
Quote from: bman on December 07, 2006, 01:02:02 PM
Warren

Please stop sending those offensive e-mails to Pat...Im sure we can get a few more LVC players on the team ;D

bman,
Just admit that it was you! I recognize the font type. LOL. Have a nice holiday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 08, 2006, 11:43:58 AM
LOL

I usually use that type of language when I hit my thumb while hammering.... ;)

...and Warren has pleaded innocence...that makes 2 out...

PBR what were YOU doing on your keyboard on December 6 ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 08, 2006, 12:01:19 PM
hey now!!!  pbr stands behind his posts...especially if he was going to spew venom like that cr@p....pbr would not hide behind a fake email address....if you dish it out you better be able to take it and not run and hide like that 3rd grader...i for one hope it wasnt anyone at dvc...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on December 08, 2006, 12:11:56 PM
Could this MAC imPOSTER also be responsible for the Taco Bell Green Onion fiasco? Is there a DVC connection?

The Guru will seek, find, and then destroy!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 08, 2006, 12:14:40 PM
negative on the dvc connection....rumor has it that angry cortland and/or rowan fans are behind the burrito supreme fiasco...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on December 08, 2006, 12:16:32 PM
Don't think that Cortland or Rowan have anything to do with agriculure, so it must be DVC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 08, 2006, 12:25:45 PM
LOL...rowan looks like it was dropped out of a 747 into the middle of new joisey's prime ag land....right smack in the middle of corn and tomato country, nothing but miles and miles of fields surround the boro
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on December 11, 2006, 06:34:07 PM
DOG,uPBRmeASAP.maAggie,  Hey guys thanks for the feedback it eases me a bit.

maaggie,
If you had read my previous posts, I agree with you that the DVC QB is a good one and will develop and one to be reckoned with down the road and I did not solely lay blame on him. I stated that it was MY OPINION ONLY many times that a freshman, any freshman would  not have been my choice. But that is why we have Vanilla and Choculate and Strawberry.

Yes there were many problems below the surface contributing to inefficient play.  Well in any event thank you guys for the input once again and please enjoy your holidays!!

Pat and Gordon, enjoy you holidays also and to all the MAC posters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on December 11, 2006, 07:00:51 PM
Thanks for the holiday greetings and right back atcha and all other posters. I understand your point but I differ with you in that you always play the most talented and best player. Obviously, through all the practices and such the freshman showed he was the BEST choice for not only this season but the future as well. While that may seem to you like the seniors were cheated, the fact is that they wouldn't have had any better of a chance to repeat the previouse years' results with a less talented QB.

That's water under the bridge so to speak, and instead of looking at this season's failures, try focusing on the great years and all the wonderfully athletic plays you got to witness during your son's tenure. There's no point in letting a few disappointing games taint all the great times you shared with your son at DVC!

Merry New Year to all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on December 11, 2006, 11:58:20 PM
Congratulations to Kings' DB Craig Haywood on being selected to the 2006 AFCA Division III Coaches' All-America Team!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 12, 2006, 06:45:19 AM
I am kind of late to the D-III posting as we just completed a military move to Japan but wish to opine about playing under classmen at the expense of upper classmen. 

It seems tempting to constantly look to the youth to develop someone for later on - the freshman who matures into a one of a kind player his senior year, for instance. 

But what about the coaches loyalty to someone who has paid their dues for four years waiting for a chance.  Yes, I understand that this is competition and the better person should play - but after all - isnt't that largely a subjective assessment? 

I mean, these scholar athletes are really practicing for the chance to play - not professionally - just play.  After all the cheering is over and the last jockstrap has been washed and discarded it is the camraderie and moments of exhilaration on the field you remember.  Sure the won-losses are part of that but . . . 

All I am saying is that coaches have a tough balancing act between utility and loyalty and must always appreciate how their decisions play out across the locker room.  From where I stand - loyalty is one character trait that motivates young men to jump on hand grendades.  And I should know, I have served five different times in my 21 year career with folks who do this from time to time - the U. S. Marine Corps. 

Posters?

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on December 12, 2006, 09:46:58 AM
Ahhh, but there's the problem. It basically boils down to a feeling of entitlement. "Put your time in" and you deserve to play...no, not a chance. It should always be the best athlete and the best player suiting up. Who gives you the best chance to win? That answer determines who suits up and gets on the field. If it's a freshman, so be it. Every college athlete must know that their position is up for grabs every camp. Recruiting means looking for the best players and getting the best players on the field ASAP. The mentality of "putting your time in' has become a mantra since your kids played midgets, it's time to let it go. You also have to realize that it's not subjective to the coaches who see those kids in practice everyday, they see the ones who outwork and outperform their teammates in practice and those are the kids who "EARN" their way onto the field. At the college level (from III to I) it's about winning and that means putting your best 11 on the field every down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 12, 2006, 10:37:41 AM
lyco i see your point and kinda of agree to a small extent....but to me i have to kinda side w/ ftr on this one....i would give the upper classmen the nod if everything were equal but if the underclassmen outplays them in camp and practice i have to go with them, i undertand the loyalty thing but to me as a coach you have a responsibility to put the best team on the field which includes the best players....also the coach has a responsibility to the other players on the team who come there and bust their humps to win, and the coach also owes the administration, students, alumni, fans of the program to put the best team/players on the field...regardless of his personal feelings
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on December 17, 2006, 08:01:08 PM
Anyone catch the short film during halftime at the Stagg Bowl?  ESPN did a quick video of what it is like to play D3.  If I am not mistaken, it looks like it was shot at Lyco.  Anybody see it or know anything about it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 18, 2006, 03:10:42 AM
did not see it, due to time zone and AFN commercials during breaks but would love a video link if someone comes up with one - David Person field!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 18, 2006, 08:13:50 AM
hey lyco fans any word on coach G and any pressure possibly being put on him on the results of his teams the last several years?  also congrats to anthony silver from dvc on making hon mention all american on d3football's team....well done and a great way to cap off a great career
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on December 22, 2006, 10:09:22 AM
Has anyone heard who might be the front runner for the Albright head coaching job?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hit1sticks on December 23, 2006, 12:36:56 PM
just got some news from a good source on the team that Coack Marzka (spelling) has  been named the new head coach (official decision may not have been made yet). He has been the coach at Teel College the past few years.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hit1sticks on December 23, 2006, 12:42:46 PM
Sorry made a couple mistakes in my previous post... he was the assistant head coach at thiel college, and was the oc as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2006, 02:09:41 PM
Associate Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
John Marzka

John Marzka begins his sixth season on the Tomcat coaching staff as the associate head coach, offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.

Marzka, a 1991 Allegheny graduate, began his coaching career at his alma mater, serving as the offensive line coach from 1992-1997, an assistant coach and then offensive coordinator for his final two seasons with the Gators. During that time the Gators compiled a record of 55-9, won four NCAC Championships, and made four NCAA playoff appearances. He then moved on to Division I-AA Fordham University to serve as the offensive coordinator in 1998.

As a three-year letter winner with the Gators, Marzka was a two-time All NCAC first team selection and was twice named an All-American as an offensive center. He also co-captained the Gators' 1990 Division III National Championship team.

Marzka and his wife, Diane, reside in Greenville and have one son, Riley John.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 27, 2006, 11:34:48 AM
Not sure if anyone saw it, but there was some nice air time for GA Mangus last night during the Motor City Bowl....

I did not hear them mention DV however, just his time with Spurrier and Bowden
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on December 27, 2006, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: formerwu on December 17, 2006, 08:01:08 PM
Anyone catch the short film during halftime at the Stagg Bowl?  ESPN did a quick video of what it is like to play D3.  If I am not mistaken, it looks like it was shot at Lyco.  Anybody see it or know anything about it?

You are correct Sir...I saw it during halftime also...Didn't take me long to yell out "Hey, that's Lyco!" at my "Stagg Party"....Narrated by Keith Jackson, it contained clips when G was going for 250 wins two seasons ago against Susquehanna...I believe the clips came from a video that was made about him so to acknowledge and honor him during the '05 Stagg Bowl banquet for achieving 250 wins that year....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 28, 2006, 05:28:53 AM
Simba,

Do you have access to a copy of the clip?

We are well and adjusting to Japan - language, driving, customs and culture.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 02, 2007, 12:59:51 PM
dvc fans a good article on coach mangus on life in div III vs. life in div I-A...
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/242-12252006-952046.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on January 03, 2007, 02:11:29 PM
Is the rumor mill correct regarding the Albright situation.  Last I heard the former Albright OC, and current UPenn OC were the front runners.  The coach from Theil sounds like a decent coach, but doesnt seem to look nearly as good on paper as the other two.  The former Albright OC obviously put up some serious numbers in his tenure at Albright.  Which I believe landed him a job at some D2 school.  The OC at Penn is the OC at Penn which would make me think he looks better as far as background.  Anyone have any information on this one?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hit1sticks on January 03, 2007, 06:15:03 PM
Yes it is correct that Marzka was named the head coach. It was official this afternoon at a press conference held at albright.  The OC from UP was a finalist, as was the former OC from albright who is now at kutztown. Marzka was said to be just a better fit for the program, and he has a great winning reputation behind him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on January 03, 2007, 06:54:25 PM
I'm sure Pat will know this, but maybe hit1sticks will know as well.  Where else did Marzka coach?  I know he coached at Theil, but although they had a great season in 05, they are 30-30 in the past 6 seasons.  That does not really boast a strong winning reputation.  I am not doubting that he is a great fit, just trying to to find out a little more about him.  Anyone?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on January 03, 2007, 06:58:55 PM
My apologies, I just read Pat's previous post regarding Marzka.  It seems like he did win some games at Allegheny, and also as a player.  Maybe that is the winning reputation.  I still wouldnt mind hearing any info on him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hit1sticks on January 04, 2007, 12:35:17 PM
here is an article that was in the reading eagle today about Albright's new coach...  http://www.readingeagle.com/re/sports/1613581.asp
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on January 12, 2007, 11:51:52 AM
Marzka had good success at Allegheny and also helped turn around a Thiel program that was struggling.

In 1994 he became the offensive line coach and recruiting coordinator, and then served as the offensive coordinator for the 1996 and 1997 seasons. During his six seasons at Allegheny the Gators compiled a 55-5 regular season record, won four NCAC championships and reached the NCAA Playoffs on four occasions.

Following his tenure at Allegheny Marzka spent one season as the offensive coordinator at Division 1-AA Fordham University. The Rams set school records for scoring and total offense in that one season. In 2001 Marzka joined the staff at Thiel, where he helped turn a perennially downtrodden program into a consistent championship contender in the Presidents Athletic Conference.


After finishing 11-1 in 2005, Thiel's 2006 squad finished 5-5, including a 14-0 Week 2 defeat at Alfred, as the Tomcats' offense was in rebuilding mode after its outstanding 2005 quarterback was graduated.

AUPepBand offers best of luck to Coach Marzka at Albright.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 12, 2007, 12:08:49 PM
good luck to the dvc wrestling team who is looking very strong as usual this year....a huge competition (wish d3sports.com covered) in the national duals this weekend in iowa....

http://www.devalcol.edu/athletics/wrestling/news_4.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on January 12, 2007, 01:00:19 PM
AUPepBand broke a kid's leg wrestling in gym class as 7th grader. Ain't no one wanted to wrestle with Pep since.  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 22, 2007, 10:22:43 AM
well done dvc wrestling team knocking out 3 div II wrestling programs this past weekend as well as knocking off a number of ranked div III schools last week....the team seems strong this year
http://www.devalcol.edu/athletics/wrestling/results_ecoast%20duals.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 20, 2007, 01:39:30 PM
dvc wrestling team continues to storm on and wins the midwest regional  well done by all on a great season so far.....

http://www.devalcol.edu/athletics/wrestling/news_7.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on February 23, 2007, 05:06:25 PM
Any more word, official or otherwise, regarding the shake-up, and or, dismantling of the MAC?

Hard to get word here in Japan, it is.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on February 23, 2007, 05:16:17 PM
lyco
we'll know more in the next month or so...There's still meetings and debate going on.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACchamp on March 02, 2007, 12:12:54 AM
anyone got any idea when the full schedules are out? jw
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on March 02, 2007, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on February 23, 2007, 05:06:25 PM
Any more word, official or otherwise, regarding the shake-up, and or, dismantling of the MAC?

Hard to get word here in Japan, it is.

ATB

so far all tgp is aware of is the defection of susquehanna over to the LL.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on March 05, 2007, 07:42:53 AM
Posters,
Any kids from the MAC gettin any serious looks at the next level? (Arena, NFL Europe, or the NFL)  Who?  From what school?  What team is looking at them?  Thanks in advance for the information.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 07, 2007, 09:49:12 PM
almost glad to see susque go...(almost).....got tired of hearing them complain about how everyone else was cheating or bucking the system....rather than looking inside their own program.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on March 09, 2007, 09:25:14 PM
Lyco back to 10 game schedule opening up with Ithaca at home on Sept 1st!....

http://williamsport-pa.com/index.php?post_category=Lycoming%20Football
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 12, 2007, 09:23:48 AM
simba, that is not a easy schedule, i give credit to coach G on tackling that one....you have albright, wilkes, dvc in a row than fdu florham(should be a fairly easy win) then kings which is never an easy game.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 20, 2007, 04:36:03 PM
hey bill, have you heard anymore rumblings on the mac as a league and whats going on? seems to be lots of undercurrents although i really dont put alot of stock in what i am hearing
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on March 21, 2007, 01:34:34 PM
Yes, there are certainly still some rumblings - but I don't think any school currently in the league is going anywhere now.  We shall see if there is still a new member to be added , but I can't mention who that is yet....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 21, 2007, 03:07:20 PM
i have a feeling who that school will be.... but i see the mac combining at somepoint with another conference and/or realigning with some schools leaving and some coming
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on April 13, 2007, 09:32:52 PM
Posters,
Question!  When reading posts, I have noted each poster is assigned a karma ranking.  How is this determined and what is the significance of this ranking?  Do Wilkes and DVC posters get higher karma rankings than LVC and LYCO posters?  LOL  I realize this is insignificant minutia I'm postin but the last posting was quite awhile ago, so thought I would add some recent fodder to the board.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 13, 2007, 09:37:55 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=41
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on April 14, 2007, 04:19:00 AM
 :) Thanks Pat.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on April 15, 2007, 08:34:58 PM
Pat,
Are you aware of any MAC alumni playing at the next level? (Arena, Europe, NFL, etc)  I noticed several D3 kids are playing in Europe, per the main page of this site.  Thanks in advance for your input.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 16, 2007, 01:57:29 PM
I only actively track the NFL and NFL Europa. I look at Arena 1 and 2 rosters once or twice a season but have not this year yet.

I know Albright QB Brian Snyder had a long arena career and Jim Jones played for a couple of years. Does anyone know if Michael Coleman is still trying to play in the NFL?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on April 19, 2007, 04:14:56 AM
Anyone have any more information on the potential realignment or dismemberment of the MAC?  Please don't tell me about Susquehanna and the other defectors of late.  I am looking for some current gouge . . . not old scuttlebutt.  That is Navy talk, but hey, after twenty-one years I am quite certain that I've earned it!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on April 19, 2007, 07:30:19 PM
Wilkes-Barre Pioneers---Jim Jones and Savior (Widener Guys) are playing this year.......

Has John Port from Albright ever played.....

I also believe Bliss DB from Del Val is playing with the Outlaws in Allentonw.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 20, 2007, 10:15:02 AM
senator kennedy is seeking information from widener university about student loans....looks like you boys did it now.... :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zoolander on April 20, 2007, 09:46:03 PM
tyriek savoir had three td's last week...  him and jones both start wideout for scranton.  jones playes defense aswell ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 24, 2007, 04:16:08 PM
dvc's schedule posted for next year some interesting games....iona, salisbury, wesley and a tough stretch of lyco, widener, wilkes in a row... should be interesting.

http://www.devalcol.edu/athletics/football/schedule07.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACchamp on April 24, 2007, 09:09:27 PM
How does everyone think the Aggies will do this year?? Im really thinking 9-1 with loss to Wesley but i am worried about Salisbury since they gave the Aggies big trouble in that bowl game and im worried about Wilkes. Also the three long away games to open the season. Will that hurt the aggies? whats everyone think
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 25, 2007, 03:37:14 AM
I think 9-1 is a stretch, to put it mildly. I think they may have three losses before September is out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 25, 2007, 08:22:32 AM
it is a challenging schedule to say the least....i think they come out of sept 3-1 or 2-2 i think it would be disappointing to see them come out 1-3. First 4 of 5 are road games and a very difficult stretch of lyco,widener, wilkes 3 weeks in a row. they boyz better be living in the weight room and running non stop to get ready for this schedule
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 27, 2007, 10:13:03 AM
PBR

Looking at that schedule, I am thinking 0-7 (possibly 1-6) for DVC before winning out they year :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 27, 2007, 10:25:16 AM
bman....now now.... they should handily take of business over iona. the next several games are interesting opponents and tough opponents. i think they have a good chance at going undefeated and running the table.... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 27, 2007, 03:33:18 PM
PBR

Actually, this may be a watershed year for DVC.  Now is when the Mangus recruits start filtering off, and the Clements recruits start making a greater impact...

We'll see in the next year to 2 years how that goes....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on April 27, 2007, 09:40:01 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on April 19, 2007, 04:14:56 AM
I am looking for some current gouge . . . not old scuttlebutt.  That is Navy talk, but hey, after twenty-one years I am quite certain that I've earned it!

ATB
Also called Squid speak.   ;D

How are things in the Land of the Rising Sun Lyco?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on May 10, 2007, 03:52:26 PM
uPBRmeASAP....always the optomist from your previous post....Hope it comes true but it is going to be a tough year.  It may well be that I carry sour apples but the play calling this has got to change...hoping for the best and also to see the new recruits for the Aggies.

Only 4 home games this year and a night game at Widener will make for a very interesting season. Any chance you are going to make any of them or are you still soccer bound with the little ones?? We will be there to tailgate and cheer...the pressure is off this year. Hope to see you there.

GO AGGIES
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 10, 2007, 04:00:06 PM
hangtime i hope to be at several games....soccer is always on the table as the coaching part of it is time consuming. a very difficult schedule for dvc this year no doubt about it. hopefully the qb continues to progress. keep the tailgate ready for pbr i should be able to make a tailgate or 2. hangtime its good to see you back and you gotta let last season go and look forward to the new season ahead as hard as it might be....
Title: Albright
Post by: blugold45 on May 11, 2007, 07:47:59 PM
Albright has a new coach, Andy Aurich, which will allow them to kill all of the MAC this year.  No other team has a chance, good luck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on May 11, 2007, 08:42:30 PM
What a bizarre post.  Maybe if by kill you mean "get blown out by" ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 11, 2007, 08:44:09 PM
hmmm....blugold45(wisconsin eau-clare no less) talkin smack before the season begins....excellent good stuff!! BUT you have to walk the walk first and there are a few teams from wilkesbarre, doylestown, chester, williamsport that might have something to say about it first...albright is going to take a little while to turn around me thinks a .500 record and you should be doing cartwheels...

i wasnt going to call you out phil aurich but what the heck might as well your email is aurichpj there is a new coach at albright named andrew aurich might you be related and does andrew know your talking smack on the boards??? LMAO!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 14, 2007, 01:26:34 PM
well Phil...at least you will be at home here...like the WIAC,the MAC teams tend to beat each other up and have close games, regardless of who is faring well and who is not.

PG, come on, he has to talk some smack for his younger brother!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 14, 2007, 04:45:32 PM
Quote from: bman on May 14, 2007, 01:26:34 PM
well Phil...at least you will be at home here...like the WIAC,the MAC teams tend to beat each other up and have close games, regardless of who is faring well and who is not.

PG, come on, he has to talk some smack for his younger brother!

bman:

Consider that, for what it may be worth, this errant "blugold45" has managed to attain a "karma" of minus-35. Ergo, it's no wonder he's not making life easier for the new coach at Albright. (For all we know, he might be a "useful fool" hired by the other MAC venues to poison the well against Albright.  ;))
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 04:50:22 PM
Or he could have perhaps rubbed the St. John's fans the wrong way by daring to root for an opponent. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 14, 2007, 04:57:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 04:50:22 PM
Or he could have perhaps rubbed the St. John's fans the wrong way by daring to root for an opponent. :)

Oh-oh, Pat. Could there be a vastly wider conspiracy at play here, one extending all the way from the MAC to the WIAC to the MIAC? ("Grassy-Knoll" theorists and "government-coverup-of-UFO-truths" folks kindly take notice.*).

-------------------------------

* As well, we need to ask, Did John Wilkes Booth act alone?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 14, 2007, 08:31:42 PM
LOL warren funny stuff...good to see some of the regulars checking in after the winter....gordon, warren, bman, hangtime et al....even some new blood slinging arrows already just after spring practice....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on May 14, 2007, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on May 14, 2007, 04:57:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 14, 2007, 04:50:22 PM
Or he could have perhaps rubbed the St. John's fans the wrong way by daring to root for an opponent. :)

Oh-oh, Pat. Could there be a vastly wider conspiracy at play here, one extending all the way from the MAC to the WIAC to the MIAC? ("Grassy-Knoll" theorists and "government-coverup-of-UFO-truths" folks kindly take notice.*).

-------------------------------

* As well, we need to ask, Did John Wilkes Booth act alone?

No trespassing on my Grassy Knoll.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on May 15, 2007, 07:24:02 PM
any guys from the MAC this year have any tryouts or are talking to any NFL teams?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 15, 2007, 09:12:29 PM
Did someone mention John's (Seitzinger) Wilkes Booth?  I've broadcasted some games from there.  I'm sure the SID at Wilkes has never heard that one before.

A handful of Division III guys were invited to NFL Rookie Minicamps.  No one from the MAC, to my knowledge.

But Brian Westbrook's younger brother Byron signed a free agent contract with the Redskins.  Byron played at Salibury and played against Del Val last year.

Check the front page for details.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 16, 2007, 11:50:13 AM
Warren

Nice to hear from you!  How are the "Northern" Amish Brethern?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 16, 2007, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: bman on May 16, 2007, 11:50:13 AM
Warren

Nice to hear from you!  How are the "Northern" Amish Brethern?

All's well hereabouts, Amish and otherwise.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on May 16, 2007, 10:55:00 PM
Hey Warren,
Any info on the LVC QB situation?  The Dutchmen have alot of kids back within their starting ranks.  I've heard rumors that they have gotten several transfers from other schools at the QB position.  My feelings are, with a suitable replacement for Kelly, they could be an extremely competitive team this season.  Let me remind posters that they played Wilkes and DVC extremely close last season.  Anxious to hear your and other poster's comments.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: blugold45 on May 24, 2007, 02:10:35 PM
It was a joke, I know nothing of the MAC, no one does outside of your conference.  Frankly I would like to see the MAC play the WIAC and see what happens, it would be ugly, clean sweep on the WIAC's side.  Shoot the WIAC could sweep some D2 conferences (NSIC). 

Pat is correct, the bad karma is completely the St. Johns posters, they don't like me, I think its because we are the only team that can say they do not dominate on a regular basis in the regular season. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 24, 2007, 02:19:35 PM
Bluegold

Right now, I would agree with you to an extent...the MAC has not been as strong nationally as it has been in year's past.  You should never dismiss a MAC team as an "easy" win however.  If you get out east to see your brother this year, we can suggest some match-up you should see, as there are strong rivalries in the MAC and some great games...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JQV on May 24, 2007, 02:25:22 PM
Quote from: blugold45 on May 24, 2007, 02:10:35 PMI think its because we are the only team that can say they do not dominate on a regular basis in the regular season. 

That is quite an accomplishment.  You guys should put it on a banner or something.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: blugold45 on May 24, 2007, 02:44:40 PM
High,

Just stating that they have consistently dominated that part of the country and to have any other teams, Whitewater, beat them regularly is odd.  You wouldn't know that being out east, didn't expect you to get it.  Pat would know.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 24, 2007, 02:54:48 PM
Quote from: blugold45 on May 24, 2007, 02:10:35 PM
It was a joke, I know nothing of the MAC, no one does outside of your conference.  Frankly I would like to see the MAC play the WIAC and see what happens, it would be ugly, clean sweep on the WIAC's side.  Shoot the WIAC could sweep some D2 conferences (NSIC). 

Pat is correct, the bad karma is completely the St. Johns posters, they don't like me, I think its because we are the only team that can say they do not dominate on a regular basis in the regular season. 

my bg45 arent we quite high on the horse for a team that finished 3-7 last year (2-5 in your dominant wiac league)...your correct i am sure the wiac we just sweep the mac especially since as you state you know nothing of the mac! umm yeah good  point that statement makes sense
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 24, 2007, 03:00:44 PM
PBR

I think it would be fair to say that the WIAC best would consistently beat the MAC best right now...

...that would be my "non inflamitory" concession....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 24, 2007, 03:07:08 PM
bman it may but without seeing the wiac play i wouldnt make that statement the only way to prove it would be on the field. but i would not make a statement of saying something to the extent of "the mac would sweep the northwest conference and it would be ugly" without having ever seen the northwest conference play. IF someone were to have seen several teams play from each conference i would believe that opposed to have never have seen a team play and make a statement like that. My question is does bg45's brother feel the same way in that since he is now coaching at albright they are going to stomp on the mac?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: blugold45 on May 24, 2007, 03:15:35 PM
PBR,

Thats not a question to ask him, he hasn't seen any of the MAC play.  Having played in D2 level and D3 level I can tell you that the WIAC is CLEARLY superior to almost all other conferences in D3 and some D2.  If they chose to move up to D2 they would be very competitive quickly. 

The talent in the WIAC is no mistake.  When you are a highschool football player in Wisconsin, you have two options.
#1 you go to Madison because you are D1 material or shipped out of state to another D1
#2 you go to a WIAC school, there are not to many options for D1AA or D2

That leads to many players that are D1AA or D2 material playing in the WIAC, which is why they have more players make it to the NFL then conferences like that MAC, to many options out East for highschool players.

D3 football players drafted:
Year Player, school Team Round-overall
2006 Michael Allan, Whitworth Chiefs 7-231
2006 Derek Stanley, UW-Whitewater Rams 7-249
2003 Ryan Hoag, Gustavus Adolphus Raiders 7-262
2002 Tony Beckham, UW-Stout Titans 4-115
2002 Michael Coleman, Widener Falcons 7-217
2000 Tim Watson, Rowan Seahawks 6-185
1999 Clint Kriewaldt, UW-Stevens Point Lions 6-177
1996 Ethan Brooks, Williams Falcons 7-229

Not to mention Pete Schmitt and Derek Stanley of Whitewater both on teams currently.

Also, Owen Schmitt, fullback at West Virginia, who started at UW-River Falls and transferred to UWV.  Blocking for Slaton and White, will be a NFL player soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 24, 2007, 03:57:36 PM
Bluegold

The funny thing is when you look at the draftees you list, you have 3 from the WIAC, then 2 from the MAC... then 4 others from ALL of the D3 conferences....

The basis of the statetment that you make, is that there are less schools geographically out west and hence the talent gets concentrated, whereas in the East there are more options /parity.   The OAC boys got very perturbed with me for making that very point in the early 2000s when Widener was competitive nationally.

I don't disagree with that logic, but you method of delivering it is very inflamitory...


PBR

I agree with you as well.  My basis for making the comment was not a knock of DV (who has dominated the MAC of late) but simply one of comparitive reasoning, since the East region (MAC included) has not fared well against the west of late....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: blugold45 on May 24, 2007, 04:19:31 PM
Bman,

I didn't mean the west in general because in Minnesota, Iowa, Dakota's there are plenty of D2's and D1AA's.  I was focusing on WI only.    My bad on the draftees I was wrong there, was only looking at the WIAC ones. 
You guys are way too nice here on the MAC board.  Don't mean to be inflamitory, I am just used to having to be on the WIAC and MIAC boards.  You guys aren't as mean as the MIAC and WIAC posters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 24, 2007, 04:54:08 PM
Bluegold

This board flares every once in a while...The Liberty League board is brutal if you get on the wrong side or make illogical comments...

I should have been more specific about my "out west" comment.  Back then, I was specifically talking about the Ohio college landscape.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on May 24, 2007, 10:31:46 PM
Posters,
For better or worse, D3 level football is D3 level football.  Generally speaking, the talent pool at this level is not as good as D1 or D2.  My perceptions are that if you compare the top level teams in D3, regardless of the conference, with few exceptions parity exists.  Mount Union, a perennial powerhouse in the D3 arena, have they ever produced a tradesman NFL player?  How often does a D3 draftee ever make it to being a NFL tradesman player?  Answer = Seldom if Ever!  Comparing strength of conferences by kids that get drafted but seldom if ever make it, is a poor barometer of league/conference strength.  By the way, watch out for those Dutchmen this season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 24, 2007, 11:09:02 PM
Not to be contradictory, but I only see one MAC player on the list of draftees (Coleman from Widener).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 24, 2007, 11:20:04 PM
On the MAC itself, you never know what the summer brings (or takes away).  That being said...

I'm pretty high on Leb Val for 2007.  I was very impressed with their young running back (Charlie Parker) and the improved pass defense.  Drew is a nice player on the line and Brossman is a potential MVP, even with a new quarterback.  He's the kind of player who can turn a 10 yard slant into a huge gain.  They were close to beating Wilkes and Del Val last year.

BUT I don't like the way their schedule lines up. 

They play Wilkes at home in the conference opener.  Hello, young quarterback -- meet Kyle Follweiler and the Colonels defense.  Then they get Del Val at home and Widener on the road.  I'm not sure what to expect of Del Val (another topic for another time) but the Pride had an excellent run defense last year.  Leb Val hasn't beaten Widener much recently except for the 3-0 complete game shut out they threw in the muck a couple years ago.

If they drop two of those first three, they are pretty much cooked in the conference race.  Because I don't see Wilkes losing twice in conference next year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 25, 2007, 07:56:07 AM
i agree gordon LV is making slow steady progress. i am not sure about dvc this year and expectations kind of feel the same about lyco and widener as well. wilkes and kings will both physical games as usual. bman we on the LLPP are cool cats just as long as people dont make completely illogical and crazy comments that they think are true.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 25, 2007, 09:30:40 AM
Gordon

Good catch...thanks!  I had a brain freeze when I saw Rowan (Who would be a great fit for the MAC)....OK the MAC had one....but we did have one of the all time greats in Billy "White Shoes" Johnson  ;D

PBR...As you know I am a regular on LLPP, but I wanted to provide ample warning...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 25, 2007, 02:59:20 PM
hey bg45 what should we expect from albright this year? what kind of offense and defense are they installing there? etc...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 25, 2007, 03:14:25 PM
Quote from: bman on May 25, 2007, 09:30:40 AM
Gordon

Good catch...thanks!  I had a brain freeze when I saw Rowan (Who would be a great fit for the MAC)....OK the MAC had one....but we did have one of the all time greats in Billy "White Shoes" Johnson  ;D

As I recall, Widener sent another player to the NFL from the Billy Johnson era: center Joe Fields played several seasons for the Jets.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on May 25, 2007, 08:23:56 PM
It could be argued that the best D-III player so far has come out of the NJAC, one Sam Mills.  The second best is probably from the OAC, London Fletcher.  The third is Pete Metzelaars from Wabash.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on May 25, 2007, 08:45:40 PM
Stalker,

Nice choices, Sam Mills as a Red Hawk Fan and London Flercher as a die hard Ram Fan since Roman Gabriel.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 29, 2007, 04:55:41 PM
Knight/Rams

That's a stretch to say the least...I only say that because "Whiteshoes" "Invented the touchdown dance (I think it was the funky chicken)...
...Mills was just good (and word is he couldn't dance) ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on May 29, 2007, 08:28:54 PM
Billy White Shoes Johnson inventing the touchdown dance is enough for me to take more points away from him.  He led to such fine gems as Deion Sanders, Michael Irving and TO.  Thanks White Shoes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on May 30, 2007, 09:15:56 AM
White Shoes by far over Mills.  Not only did he have a better dance, His fashion sense dictated one's shoe color from everybody in the NFL down to Pee-wee for close to 30 years.  Shoes have now gone back to black.  Black is the new white.

Billy would make green shoes look good.

BTW - Don't forget Dino Hall out of Glassboro State back in the late 70's
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 30, 2007, 10:36:32 PM
I thought Roman Gabriel was an NC state grad???

Former WU...  Did you have White shoes?

Maybe you can do the broom drill in them ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 20, 2007, 01:19:33 PM
looking at dvc's schedule the one thing i am kinda looking forward to the night game at widener at 7:00pm. hopefully this will become a tradition of playing the game at night albeit i am not a huge fan of chester in darkness.... :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 22, 2007, 04:49:18 PM
PBR

just bringa flak jacket and some small arms, and you will be fine...my car was only stolen once there....

oh...if you have some mace, bring that too...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on June 23, 2007, 02:32:19 PM
Small arms....that's like bring a knife to a gun fight!

heading to chester for a night game remove your steering wheel, flatten your tires, maybe...just maybe your car won't be stolen.

I'm kiddin' of course!


GO LYCO!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 25, 2007, 11:42:40 AM
LOL...pbr is thinking of going to a junkyard an buying a car for $100 to drive back and forth to that game.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on June 30, 2007, 12:57:50 PM
Hi everyone, first time poster here so go easy with the flames. Albright Grad and 4 year starter/capt.  I was looking for somewhere to quench my thirst for real good info on the league, and teams as it is hard to comebye as an alumn, or working stiff with little kids and thin time for heading out to the games.  It appears i have found a nice place to fill in some gaps. Of course I miss the scene and the hitting, but my body will suffice with the info. Having been through a few coaches at 'Bright, I feel way out of the loop and need to get a taste of the scene again to keep me whole. I will add what I can whenever I can as I have been there.  I look forward to an interesting season as I pick up the ball and head north again. Thanks!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 30, 2007, 01:36:21 PM
Well, welcome -- we need more Albright fans. What era? Saw some great Albright/Catholic games in the mid-to-late '90s.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 30, 2007, 05:26:42 PM
Lanes

Welcome to the board!  We welcome your insights on the Albright program...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FLOA52 on July 01, 2007, 11:15:57 AM
hello all i am a new poster.  the season will start soon it is july first and camp starts soon.  i am a wilkes fan and i am just wondering who is going to win the mac this year.  the first year of crazy schedules cause of people dropping out.  will the mac champ have all wins this year or can they lose some games to non league people.  let me know what you guys all think.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACchamp on July 01, 2007, 07:00:13 PM
how about street and smiths top 25 rankings. Wilkes is 13th and DVC is no where to be found
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 01, 2007, 08:55:18 PM
They also have Coast Guard No. 24. Hard to determine if S&S knows anything at all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on July 01, 2007, 09:02:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 01, 2007, 08:55:18 PM
They also have Coast Guard No. 24. Hard to determine if S&S knows anything at all.

Im thinking there could only be a few reasons why S&S would put CG in the top 25. 

1) They want to take a gamble by picking a team like them so if CG does do that well at the end of the season, they can say "see, we told you so"

2) Someone at S&S knows or is friends with someone at CG or the NEFC and wanted to throw them a bone.

3) They really think CG has some good returning players (they do on offensive I believe) and really do think they could be a sleeper

4) They know absoulty nothing about d3 football, teams, stats etc, and just saw that CG had one of the better records in the country and used to be good.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 01, 2007, 09:56:28 PM
4 sounds good. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on July 02, 2007, 09:09:59 AM
Graduated 93 and last year on the field was fall of 92. Unfortunately left before they cranked out some wins as we played in the "Old" Mac.  Never had the opportunity to play Jersey teams (where I am from) but played Bridgewater Va, Merchant Marines, Western Maryland, and then Lyco, Morav, Delval, Leb val, Susq, Juniata, Wilkes, Widener, and other tough Pa schools I mave have missed.  Seeing the school now with a stadium, facilities and desire, and what appears to be another great new coach makes me proud, and excitedfor the future. What is tough though, is the lack of pre-season info that helps feed our need to know more.  I look forward to hearing from the gurus to keep me informed!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on July 02, 2007, 04:59:39 PM
2 posts and you have a +1 karma, they must really like you...no really!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 03, 2007, 08:17:05 AM
Quote from: FLOA52 on July 01, 2007, 11:15:57 AM
hello all i am a new poster.  the season will start soon it is july first and camp starts soon.  i am a wilkes fan and i am just wondering who is going to win the mac this year.  the first year of crazy schedules cause of people dropping out.  will the mac champ have all wins this year or can they lose some games to non league people.  let me know what you guys all think.

Lanes and Floa welcome to the board!! good to see some new faces. right now i would have to think wilkes is the odd's on fav to win the mac. there are A LOT of question mark teams out there. Although dvc, widener, leb valley, will knock them off if they dont bring their A game.  As for Albright they have a new staff a little while ago one of the coaches brother(blugold45 was his board name) was on here posting but he hasnt been around lately so he would be a good source of info on albright if he hangs around.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 03, 2007, 09:29:46 AM
Welcome to the board Newbies.

-------

I feel the out of conference games will hurt the MAC short term, but will eventually pay off 3-4 years down the road.  Playing to the talent level of your opponent will increase your skills.

Go WU.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 03, 2007, 09:30:58 AM
Bman - Are you out of the hospital yet? 

Only man I know who gets an infected Ugula.  Or is it a Dan Ugla?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on July 06, 2007, 02:12:54 AM
Gordon Mann

I cant thank you enough for sending the CD's ...They are a keepsake now....thanks again.  Stop by the tailgate at the first home game.

Welcome to all the new MAC posters, hoping for yet another exciting year of MAC football.

uPBR....good to see you are still around!!!  Have the AGGIES posted their new recruit list??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 06, 2007, 07:36:43 AM
hangtime coach clements told me they will have the recruit list out in august.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MACchamp on July 06, 2007, 12:50:48 PM
how big is the aggies senior class this year? and who exactly is a senior there? im not sure of the roster this year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 06, 2007, 01:14:27 PM
they havent put out this years roster yet here is a link to last years roster that should be a good starting point w/ the jr. class listed....

http://www.delval.edu/athletics/football/roster.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 06, 2007, 03:52:59 PM
yes formerwu, I am home....

and to be exact, I did not have an infection in my uvula (that is the little thing that hangs down from the top)...

I had an infection in my epiglotitis (thats on the bottom, and prevents fluid from going down to you lungs when you swallow)...

and they decided to tell me I have hepatitus as well, since epiglotitus wasn't enough, on the day they let me out....(but not the bad kind of hep....)

I will be intimately familiar with every crack in my bedroom ceiling the next few weeks....and every d3 update.... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on July 07, 2007, 11:26:05 AM
Bman,
Wishin U a speedy recovery.  Hopefully U will be 100% by the time the season rolls around.  This is gonna be a fun season to watch.  God knows who is gonna be at the top of the pile when everything is sorted out.  Go Dutchmen and Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on July 07, 2007, 11:34:15 AM
bman, I didnt know people from the MAC had vulvas.

serioulsy though, hang in there bro. Ill send my personal nurse right down there to assist.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdts.ystoretools.com%2F2025%2Fimages%2F250x1000%2Fsexynurses.jpg&hash=455d0437043de52be707380f273b193b73733221)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on July 07, 2007, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: bman on July 06, 2007, 03:52:59 PM
yes formerwu, I am home....

and to be exact, I did not have an infection in my uvula (that is the little thing that hangs down from the top)...

I had an infection in my epiglotitis (thats on the bottom, and prevents fluid from going down to you lungs when you swallow)...

and they decided to tell me I have hepatitus as well, since epiglotitus wasn't enough, on the day they let me out....(but not the bad kind of hep....)

I will be intimately familiar with every crack in my bedroom ceiling the next few weeks....and every d3 update.... ;)

Bman,

Get well soon.  See you on Friday night in the Boro. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 08, 2007, 10:38:03 PM
thx all for the thoughts...just got my grill kicked in, the last couple weeks...

and JU,
IF I had a vulva, someone would have either tested it, drew some blood from it, or injected some antibiotics into it, and given me the results on it's health by now... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on July 08, 2007, 10:42:31 PM
Quote from: bman on July 08, 2007, 10:38:03 PM
thx all for the thoughts...just got my grill kicked in, the last couple weeks...

and JU,
IF I had a vulva, someone would have either tested it, drew some blood from it, or injected some antibiotics into it, and given me the results on it's health by now... ;)

And with the "multiples" you'd probably have trouble leaving the house.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 09, 2007, 08:51:26 AM
FormerWU stopped by to see Bman this weekend.  His throat looked like a pelican. 

Glad you are feeling better.  Get back up on that horse and stop feeling sorry for yourself.

JT, what are you making for the WU / Rowan game.  It may be too hot for your soup.  Maybe a Gazpacho would be nice.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 09, 2007, 09:19:33 AM
a dozen of geno's cheesesteaks and fries would fit the bill.......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on July 09, 2007, 09:49:23 AM
Quote from: formerwu on July 09, 2007, 08:51:26 AM
FormerWU stopped by to see Bman this weekend.  His throat looked like a pelican. 

Glad you are feeling better.  Get back up on that horse and stop feeling sorry for yourself.

JT, what are you making for the WU / Rowan game.  It may be too hot for your soup.  Maybe a Gazpacho would be nice.

I haven't made the gumbo since 2003.  Once I started getting on the field to take pics, my pregame cullinary action has been limited.

Will probably try and do something, since Dad (PMC 1965) is coming too.  And unless I somehow find the scratch for a better camera, my night shots are usually **** anyway.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on July 09, 2007, 01:10:10 PM
Just stopping by to show you fellas a real stadium...


http://www.albright.edu/athletics/stadiumpix.html


I hope to make it at least to Homecoming, for following the small print in the Sunday local rag just makes me miss it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 09, 2007, 01:20:24 PM
lanes do i have to check the knives and guns at the front gate that i carry for safe passage through the surrounding neighborhoods?  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: union89 on July 09, 2007, 03:02:01 PM
Quote from: LANES on July 09, 2007, 01:10:10 PM
Just stopping by to show you fellas a real stadium...


http://www.albright.edu/athletics/stadiumpix.html


I hope to make it at least to Homecoming, for following the small print in the Sunday local rag just makes me miss it.


Wow.....sweet diggs for a 2-8 team......I'm sure Wilkes will enjoy taking it over and calling it 'thier' house.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 09, 2007, 03:06:25 PM
BOL ...U89....+k for that one
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2007, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: LANES on July 09, 2007, 01:10:10 PM
Just stopping by to show you fellas a real stadium...


http://www.albright.edu/athletics/stadiumpix.html


Took you guys long enough to get a real stadium, by the way. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 09, 2007, 10:41:19 PM
The new Albright place is very nice.  With Susquehanna's departure, I think it's the nicest facility overall in the conference.

Honorable mentions to Lycoming, Widener and Leb Val in that order, IMHO.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 09, 2007, 11:00:45 PM
i would agree gordon although i would probably swap lyco and widener followed by lvc....definetly should help w/ recruiting facility wise.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on July 10, 2007, 07:56:07 PM
I'll be packing some HEAT!  kinding again.....I look for lyco  to claim that property as their own.  as usual !!!!!  just stiring the pot!


sorry!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 13, 2007, 03:45:01 PM
When did Lyco redo their field?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 13, 2007, 03:48:05 PM
Not sure, i think they copied off of Widener
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 13, 2007, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: bman on July 13, 2007, 03:45:01 PM
When did Lyco redo their field?

when leb valley beat them thought it would change their luck.... :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on July 14, 2007, 07:24:50 PM
Your rapier wit is too much for me even at the distance of Yokohama, Japan.

In defense of my alma mater, Lycoming steadily improved its endowment since 1989 allowing it to make substantive capital improvements to all facilities, not just athletic. 

There is more to a school than merely the turf used for competitive athletics - check the facts.

I am willing to guess that Lycoming's endowment is among the very best in all of the MAC.  And gentlemen, the future of D-III schools lies in the ability to fund raise as the fees and tuition are overmatching the very middle class families that historically send their sons and daughters to our institutions.

Eventually we will see a marked change in the delivery of education - in other words, part-time faculty, who do not possess the terminal degree for their field teaching their subject.  But hey, as long as you have a winning team all is right in the world?

The future of all higher education and learning revolves around dollars - not wins and losses - although they may help as a means to an end.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2007, 08:55:01 PM
MAC endowments, as of 2006, according to NACUBO:

Lycoming: 114,011,000
Widener: 68,622,000
King's: 51,840,000
Lebanon Valley: 41,153,000
Wilkes: 39,823,000
Albright: 37,000,000
Delaware Valley: 16,180,000
FDU was not listed in the report, either campus.

Non-football schools:
Elizabethtown: 44,762,000
Arcadia: 42,424,000
DeSales: 40,408,000
Alvernia: 14,337,000
Misericordia: 11,805,000
Messiah was not listed

Departing institutions:
Drew: 241,450,000
Susquehanna: 108,259,000
Scranton: 104,039,000
Moravian: 81,544,000
Juniata: 63,102,000
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on July 14, 2007, 10:43:55 PM
Pat

FDU's endowment is around 10 million. It's not split by campus.

Are you sure about the Del Val number? I thought it was more like 8-10 million, but who knows.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 14, 2007, 10:44:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2007, 08:55:01 PM
MAC endowments, as of 2006, according to NACUBO:

Lycoming: 114,011,000
Widener: 68,622,000
King's: 51,840,000
Lebanon Valley: 41,153,000
Wilkes: 39,823,000
Albright: 37,000,000
Delaware Valley: 16,180,000
FDU was not listed in the report, either campus.

Non-football schools:
Elizabethtown: 44,762,000
Arcadia: 42,424,000
DeSales: 40,408,000
Alvernia: 14,337,000
Misericordia: 11,805,000
Messiah was not listed

Departing institutions:
Drew: 241,450,000
Susquehanna: 108,259,000
Scranton: 104,039,000
Moravian: 81,544,000
Juniata: 63,102,000
I am glad to see Pat using the NACUBO reference.

Here is the link to the 2006 NACUBO pdf (http://www.nacubo.org/documents/research/2006NES_Listing.pdf).

+1 Lyco80!  You are right about the critical nature of endowments.  Most schools only draw 3-5% of their endowments annually to support any other activities.  On $10 Million, that is only $300,000.  That may only cover 4 professors at a small school, and nothing else that the school may want to do in the way of building improvements, academic scholarships, new programs, etc.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2007, 11:16:05 PM
Quote from: bill on July 14, 2007, 10:43:55 PM
Are you sure about the Del Val number? I thought it was more like 8-10 million, but who knows.....

It appears to be growing -- the data Ralph links shows a 10% increase in the previous year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on July 15, 2007, 01:59:23 AM
Pat and Ralph,

Thanks for the confirmation and the affirmation.

College football is among the very most expensive of all collegiate sports - the only ones that may be more costly are anything equestrian or involving the rental and maintenance of an ice rink.

Endowments, while not directly in support of D-III athletics by design, do permit college administrators greater flexibility for funding all programs, not just football.

The list Pat published is not encouraging for many of the MAC schools, at least when it comes to endowment figures.

Higher education is prohibitively inflationary due to high facility costs, an over abundance of white-collar labor, and, at least in the Mid-Atlantic Region of the USA, a dependence upon fuel oil for heating in a challenging winter climate - which is most of the school year.

Lycoming is currently embarked on a nearly $50 million capital funds campaign.  Like it or not, higher education is in a very competitive market place and not just on the gridiron.  The real score is kept by accountants and treasurers, not referees or league officials.

Thanks, again, for the "at a boys" - they are sincerely appreciated.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on July 15, 2007, 09:14:25 PM
Well, open mouth (keyboard?) insert foot...

FDU's endowment for 2007 is 14.3 million...better, but not there yet..

We've got a lot of catching up to do, but I do believe we are by far the youngest school in the conference...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 16, 2007, 01:50:25 PM
Lycoming: 114,011,000
Widener: 68,622,000

Looks like the only thing that Lyco has been able to beat Widener at lately ;-)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 16, 2007, 03:37:14 PM
+K Formerwu!

My thought was that it was the Diocese of Philly stashing away money at Lyco, so they can claim poverty when the molestation lawsuits roll in!

...It's a joke guys.....lighten up
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 16, 2007, 11:17:04 PM
Lyco80

Not sure where that rant came from...I was simply asking when Lyco redid their football complex.... Normally, there is talk about changes that happen on the boards, or in Pat's general news.

Ironically enough, you mention that Lyco has been making upgrades steadily since 1989 (which is the last time I was at Lyco), so I am assuming that there has been upgrades over the years.

What prompted the question was that Gordon and PBR had mentioned that the facilities were one of the nicest in the MAC, and in the late 80's when I was there, they did not seem overly special, so I was wondering what was done to improve the area.

I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact that endowment has a huge role in funding athletics (just ask any Upsala graduate), but I am not sure how you segued into that topic....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on July 17, 2007, 01:44:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2007, 08:55:01 PM
MAC endowments, as of 2006, according to NACUBO:

Lycoming: 114,011,000
Widener: 68,622,000
King's: 51,840,000
Lebanon Valley: 41,153,000
Wilkes: 39,823,000
Albright: 37,000,000
Delaware Valley: 16,180,000
FDU was not listed in the report, either campus.

Non-football schools:
Elizabethtown: 44,762,000
Arcadia: 42,424,000
DeSales: 40,408,000
Alvernia: 14,337,000
Misericordia: 11,805,000
Messiah was not listed

Departing institutions:
Drew: 241,450,000
Susquehanna: 108,259,000
Scranton: 104,039,000
Moravian: 81,544,000
Juniata: 63,102,000

Jeez PBR!  Use some of that Princeton money you got and make a donation for chrizzakes!?!?!?

::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on July 17, 2007, 04:30:50 AM
bman,

Funny, I thought the post was well-reasoned, articulate and brought to the discussion some salient facts not already before us.  But, after all, I did major in political science and history at Lycoming so what would I know about a proper rant.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on July 17, 2007, 06:27:30 AM
Quote from: formerwu on July 16, 2007, 01:50:25 PM
Lycoming: 114,011,000
Widener: 68,622,000

Looks like the only thing that Lyco has been able to beat Widener at lately ;-)


Yes, and a differential of $45 million and change is a substantial deficit that will require more than second half heroics to overcome.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 17, 2007, 08:26:24 AM
Lyco80

Hope all is well with the family.   It was a well thought out and reasonable defense of Lyco....it just came out of left field for me....

Guess I'll have to beef up my donation a bit!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on July 17, 2007, 03:43:39 PM
bman

Yes lyco updated their complex some time ago (mid 90's).
As a former coach, I always loved the experience of a game at Lyco. The intimate sttings of the local neighborhood, the food stands, the small town feel with a big crowd - to me, a game at lyco represented all that was good about d3 football...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 18, 2007, 09:47:53 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on July 17, 2007, 06:27:30 AM
Quote from: formerwu on July 16, 2007, 01:50:25 PM
Lycoming: 114,011,000
Widener: 68,622,000

Looks like the only thing that Lyco has been able to beat Widener at lately ;-)


Yes, and a differential of $45 million and change is a substantial deficit that will require more than second half heroics to overcome.

---

Or a botched field goal attempt that turns into a touchdown.

Right back at ya.
ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on July 19, 2007, 10:51:18 AM
Hudson Catholic in Jersey City is looking for assistant coaches for  football and soccer  (http://www.nj.com/sports/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/118482719683610.xml&coll=3)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 23, 2007, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 17, 2007, 01:44:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2007, 08:55:01 PM
MAC endowments, as of 2006, according to NACUBO:

Lycoming: 114,011,000
Widener: 68,622,000
King's: 51,840,000
Lebanon Valley: 41,153,000
Wilkes: 39,823,000
Albright: 37,000,000
Delaware Valley: 16,180,000
FDU was not listed in the report, either campus.

Non-football schools:
Elizabethtown: 44,762,000
Arcadia: 42,424,000
DeSales: 40,408,000
Alvernia: 14,337,000
Misericordia: 11,805,000
Messiah was not listed

Departing institutions:
Drew: 241,450,000
Susquehanna: 108,259,000
Scranton: 104,039,000
Moravian: 81,544,000
Juniata: 63,102,000

Jeez PBR!  Use some of that Princeton money you got and make a donation for chrizzakes!?!?!?

::)

hey pbr writes a check every year(actually mpbr who does it w/o pbr even knowing and not sure she even gives to her college)!!! dvc has finally become aggressive in fund raising only in the last several years. it is starting to take hold but for a long time no one gave. the grass roots are finally taking hold and the last several years things are picking up. dvc is in dire need of redoing at minimum its football stadium and in reality their entire sports complex for their sports teams as well as intramural. always amazed pbr how their wrestling team is always top 20 if not top 10 with average facilities. just shows how good the coaches and recruiting are in reality.

maybe pbr will go to his boss and tell him take several hundred mill out of his mac acct.  since he was just estimated to be worth 15 billion and supposedly the bidding for the company when he sells it soon starts at 20 billion....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on July 23, 2007, 12:39:03 PM
K+

Coming in 2010 - PBR FIELD!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 24, 2007, 08:24:29 AM
on a sad note pbr saw this article on the death of Travis "Bo" Tkach who took his own life and played at wilkes. a little info is at the end of the article. pbr heard from people at the service that bobby bowden, jim tressel, dave wannstedt were at the funeral and the paterno family sent beautiul flowers. bo's brother tyler plays at the university of pitt.

http://www.republicanherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18619792&BRD=2626&PAG=461&dept_id=529073&rfi=6
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on July 24, 2007, 04:15:59 PM
My thoughts and prayers go out to Bo and his family. Before Bo tranferred to Wilkes, he was at Lehigh for a year, and I had the pleasure of coaching him. He was a fantastic kid to know and be around. I am truly saddened and suprised to read about this....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 24, 2007, 04:30:59 PM
yes bill it just sounds like a horrible tragic situation all around. being a parent pbr couldnt imagine what it would be like to have this happen to one of my children. thoughts and prayers go out to the entire family. it was nice that the other coaches thought of the family as well. evidently they are friends of the father thru coaching. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Hustle on July 24, 2007, 06:08:52 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 24, 2007, 08:24:29 AM
on a sad note pbr saw this article on the death of Travis "Bo" Tkach who took his own life and played at wilkes. a little info is at the end of the article. pbr heard from people at the service that bobby bowden, jim tressel, dave wannstedt were at the funeral and the paterno family sent beautiul flowers. bo's brother tyler plays at the university of pitt.

http://www.republicanherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18619792&BRD=2626&PAG=461&dept_id=529073&rfi=6
Back when I worked in Pennsylvania at the paper in Lehighton, I had the chance to cover Bo a few times early in his HS career. We covered a game they won (IIRC) at Northwestern Lehigh, he was QBing.

I grew up in Lehighton. My dad and uncles worked the sticks at Friday night games long before I was born and only recently have given it up. Another guy that always used to help them was Bo's grandfather.

Jim Tkach, a former player at Lehighton and Lehigh, went on to coach at Northern Lehigh, and I had ample opportunity to talk to him over the years, both in my job and just as being a family friend. I can't tell you the level of respect I have for him: honest, friendly, always welcoming even though we weren't the big paper on the block.

My heart breaks for him and his family. They've always been wonderful to me, and I'm just incredibly saddened to hear about this.

Obviously I don't post here much, but I thought this was something that was worth my time.

PBR: Jim Tkach also spearheaded several Nike clinics in the Lehigh Valley, and they always seemed to bring in big-big name coaches - I remember reading Bowden was one of them, wouldn't surprise me if Tressel and Wannstedt (if they're Nike now) were there too. Still, an incredibly nice gesture from them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ryan Tipps on July 25, 2007, 12:05:31 AM
So I'll fess up that, until recently, I didn't read the MAC board too often, but I've been staring at stats alot tonight (work is slow) and Widener keeps looking better and better to me....on paper.

Wilkes and DelVal seem to be losing a lot of top players, though I'll admit that I'm not sure how their depth charts are -- whether they're reloading or rebuilding?

Widener, however, is bringing back their RB and QB, as well as one of their two leading receivers. Plus they got a decent handful of folks back on defense. Does the team have blanks it needs to fill in? It's been a few years since Widener's been on top....can they make it there again?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 25, 2007, 08:32:32 AM
wc right now pbr would have to rank it like this...

1. wilkes (they are #1 until someone knocks them off and do return some good players)
2. widener (they return key players can they finally get over the top?)
3. dvc (can the incoming players take over for the last 2 great sr. classes, wr are a huge ? pbr may look to suit up if needed)
4. lyco (can coach g. rally the troops to the top again)
5. kings/leb val

** these are quickly off the top of my head  after full research a few teams may move up/down
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on July 25, 2007, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 09, 2007, 01:20:24 PM
lanes do i have to check the knives and guns at the front gate that i carry for safe passage through the surrounding neighborhoods?  ;)

LOL. No doubt Reading has gone south since my days there when there was a bar on every corner, outlets everywhere and the town looked up. Too bad, as the school itself is in a nice neighborhood like Lycos, but a few blocks away it can get scary. Was a good place to go school from NJ.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on July 25, 2007, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: Union89 on July 09, 2007, 03:02:01 PM
Quote from: LANES on July 09, 2007, 01:10:10 PM
Just stopping by to show you fellas a real stadium...


http://www.albright.edu/athletics/stadiumpix.html


I hope to make it at least to Homecoming, for following the small print in the Sunday local rag just makes me miss it.


Wow.....sweet diggs for a 2-8 team......I'm sure Wilkes will enjoy taking it over and calling it 'thier' house.

Of any team to steal the turf from Albright, I would sure hope its not Wilkes.  We once cut a peice of Moravians Turf out after a win, and planted it in our stadium and it was forever to be known as the "Sod Game" One of those games where it was 20 below and we had a good day and laid some leather on them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on July 25, 2007, 12:28:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2007, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: LANES on July 09, 2007, 01:10:10 PM
Just stopping by to show you fellas a real stadium...


http://www.albright.edu/athletics/stadiumpix.html


Took you guys long enough to get a real stadium, by the way. :)

Cmon Pat, although it was ancient, it was still a pretty good sized concrete facility, kinda like the Roman Colosseom.  The rest of the place was neat with an indoor facility the size of a field, rubber floor etc, and pool.  Thank goodness they finally put in a real weight room, and have another 3 million dollar expansion forthcoming it appears.  After all, recruiting is the name of the game, and hopefully it will pay off as the cream rises to the top ; ) 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on July 25, 2007, 12:37:14 PM
Quote from: jb on July 10, 2007, 07:56:07 PM
I'll be packing some HEAT!  kinding again.....I look for lyco  to claim that property as their own.  as usual !!!!!  just stiring the pot!


sorry!

jb,  Love the Talk.  having been away for a few years from the scene, I know Bright Pounded Lyco once or twice in the last decade on a few down years.  What is the last decades record if you know? Thanks and keep it up, as Your lunch shall soon be ours again!  LOL

Seriously, getting close to August, has anyone any real information about the league yet with regards to recruits, impact players or returning horsemen? Thanks all for the great info.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 25, 2007, 12:40:55 PM
for info on recruits your best to check the schools website. for example at dvc i know the coach clements has said he will not release the information until august. some schools have already posted them on their websites so its kinda hit/miss at this point for several more weeks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: LANES on July 25, 2007, 12:28:05 PM

Cmon Pat, although it was ancient, it was still a pretty good sized concrete facility, kinda like the Roman Colosseom.  The rest of the place was neat with an indoor facility the size of a field, rubber floor etc, and pool.  Thank goodness they finally put in a real weight room, and have another 3 million dollar expansion forthcoming it appears.  After all, recruiting is the name of the game, and hopefully it will pay off as the cream rises to the top ; ) 

Colosseum is a good comparison, since it was just as old and in just as good repair. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ryan Tipps on July 25, 2007, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 25, 2007, 08:32:32 AM
wc right now pbr would have to rank it like this...

1. wilkes (they are #1 until someone knocks them off and do return some good players)
2. widener (they return key players can they finally get over the top?)
3. dvc (can the incoming players take over for the last 2 great sr. classes, wr are a huge ? pbr may look to suit up if needed)
4. lyco (can coach g. rally the troops to the top again)
5. kings/leb val

** these are quickly off the top of my head  after full research a few teams may move up/down

Thanks for the feedback, TGP. You're right about Wilkes -- much as in other things, you're No. 1 until the next guy gets the best of you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 25, 2007, 05:35:19 PM
uPBRme:

I'll save most of my thoughts for the MAC Preview in the Kickoff (teaser alert!) but I'd switch the two Vals in your ranking if it were my ballot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 25, 2007, 07:02:41 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 25, 2007, 05:35:19 PM
uPBRme:

I'll save most of my thoughts for the MAC Preview in the Kickoff (teaser alert!) but I'd switch the two Vals in your ranking if it were my ballot.

come on gordon(i know leb val scares me they are coming on strong) but  i got give a little luv to my alma mater!!!   ;)

also gordon that was a quick overview off the top of my head pbr is still researching and compiling the final preseason mac rankings. pbr will be interested to see how close he is to your rankings.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on July 25, 2007, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: LANES on July 25, 2007, 12:28:05 PM

Cmon Pat, although it was ancient, it was still a pretty good sized concrete facility, kinda like the Roman Colosseom.  The rest of the place was neat with an indoor facility the size of a field, rubber floor etc, and pool.  Thank goodness they finally put in a real weight room, and have another 3 million dollar expansion forthcoming it appears.  After all, recruiting is the name of the game, and hopefully it will pay off as the cream rises to the top ; ) 

Colosseum is a good comparison, since it was just as old and in just as good repair. :)

Do you guys mean Coliseum?  TGP did not take Latin so it's possible TGP is wrong.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 25, 2007, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: LANES on July 25, 2007, 12:28:05 PM

Cmon Pat, although it was ancient, it was still a pretty good sized concrete facility, kinda like the Roman Colosseom.  The rest of the place was neat with an indoor facility the size of a field, rubber floor etc, and pool.  Thank goodness they finally put in a real weight room, and have another 3 million dollar expansion forthcoming it appears.  After all, recruiting is the name of the game, and hopefully it will pay off as the cream rises to the top ; ) 

Colosseum is a good comparison, since it was just as old and in just as good repair. :)

Do you guys mean Coliseum?  TGP did not take Latin so it's possible TGP is wrong.

correct tgp its actually pig latin...ickna oliseumca
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: LANES on July 25, 2007, 12:28:05 PM

Cmon Pat, although it was ancient, it was still a pretty good sized concrete facility, kinda like the Roman Colosseom.  The rest of the place was neat with an indoor facility the size of a field, rubber floor etc, and pool.  Thank goodness they finally put in a real weight room, and have another 3 million dollar expansion forthcoming it appears.  After all, recruiting is the name of the game, and hopefully it will pay off as the cream rises to the top ; ) 

Colosseum is a good comparison, since it was just as old and in just as good repair. :)

Do you guys mean Coliseum?  TGP did not take Latin so it's possible TGP is wrong.

No. I've spelled it correctly.

http://www.the-colosseum.net/idx-en.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on July 25, 2007, 11:27:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: LANES on July 25, 2007, 12:28:05 PM

Cmon Pat, although it was ancient, it was still a pretty good sized concrete facility, kinda like the Roman Colosseom.  The rest of the place was neat with an indoor facility the size of a field, rubber floor etc, and pool.  Thank goodness they finally put in a real weight room, and have another 3 million dollar expansion forthcoming it appears.  After all, recruiting is the name of the game, and hopefully it will pay off as the cream rises to the top ; ) 

Colosseum is a good comparison, since it was just as old and in just as good repair. :)

Do you guys mean Coliseum?  TGP did not take Latin so it's possible TGP is wrong.

No. I've spelled it correctly.

http://www.the-colosseum.net/idx-en.htm

Not surprised, especially since the Guru tends to dot the i and cross the t.

TGP is probably biased based on his post grad affliation to a certain school in SoCal that plays their games in the LA Coliseum. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 26, 2007, 07:38:40 AM
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 11:27:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: LANES on July 25, 2007, 12:28:05 PM

Cmon Pat, although it was ancient, it was still a pretty good sized concrete facility, kinda like the Roman Colosseom.  The rest of the place was neat with an indoor facility the size of a field, rubber floor etc, and pool.  Thank goodness they finally put in a real weight room, and have another 3 million dollar expansion forthcoming it appears.  After all, recruiting is the name of the game, and hopefully it will pay off as the cream rises to the top ; ) 

Colosseum is a good comparison, since it was just as old and in just as good repair. :)

Do you guys mean Coliseum?  TGP did not take Latin so it's possible TGP is wrong.

No. I've spelled it correctly.

http://www.the-colosseum.net/idx-en.htm

Not surprised, especially since the Guru tends to dot the i and cross the t.

TGP is probably biased based on his post grad affliation to a certain school in SoCal that plays their games in the LA Coliseum. 

hmmm...albright/usc   reading/l.a.   very comparable in pbr eyes!!
pbr is jealous that he did not go to pepperdine right near tgp
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 26, 2007, 09:30:26 AM
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 11:27:21 PM
Not surprised, especially since the Guru tends to dot the i and cross the t.

That's what being an editor is all about. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on July 26, 2007, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on July 26, 2007, 07:38:40 AM

hmmm...albright/usc   reading/l.a.   very comparable in pbr eyes!!
pbr is jealous that he did not go to pepperdine right near tgp

TGP probably would not have attended his undergrad alma mater if he had realized there were colleges in SoCal that were on/overlooking the ocean.  Pepperdine and UCSB - hard, if not impossible, to top that scenery. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on July 26, 2007, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 26, 2007, 09:30:26 AM
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on July 25, 2007, 11:27:21 PM
Not surprised, especially since the Guru tends to dot the i and cross the t.

That's what being an editor is all about. :)

Funny, I did google it yesterday, but got lost between the o and the u.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on July 26, 2007, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 25, 2007, 05:35:19 PM
uPBRme:

I'll save most of my thoughts for the MAC Preview in the Kickoff (teaser alert!) but I'd switch the two Vals in your ranking if it were my ballot.

Gordon,

What can we look forward to in the kickoff as some of us will be reading it for the first time? Is is run of the mill fact sheet and some quotes or will there be some opinion mixed in for fantasy and intrique?  Cant wait for what I expect to be my best spent Eight bucks since enjoying a few Yeungling Black and Tans and cheesesteaks at Ronnies in Reading...

Let the games begin!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 26, 2007, 08:44:15 PM
I'll jump in in case Gordon doesn't stop by soon.

There's a fair amount of 'just the facts' but where we differentiate ourselves from the SIDs' preview is we give you an honest assessment of each team, good or bad. The SIDs, as publicists, are going to put the best possible spin on everything.

We'll tell you how each team is going to finish, predicting their final record and the conference standings. We'll also rank Albright (and the other 237 teams), in order.

We'll also predict various other random events in Division III for the season, feature players to watch from each region and breakout teams, etc.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 27, 2007, 12:38:02 AM
Pat's correct.  It's primarily fact presented through the eyes (or finger tips) of the individual writer, so they have his or her take on them.  Plus there's subjective predictions.

I'm willing to chat with you (or other interested subscribers) off line via email or the private messaging system on these boards about anything in the MAC section of the Kickoff.  That way I can elaborate on anything or you can tell me personally which parts I should stick in my ear. :)

I won't guarantee instant responses, but I enjoy covering the MAC and would welcome the chance to go through the season with you and any other subscribers.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 27, 2007, 07:26:59 AM
gordon your prediction of dvc winning the mac pbr thinks is spot on!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on July 27, 2007, 05:58:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 26, 2007, 08:44:15 PM
I'll jump in in case Gordon doesn't stop by soon.

There's a fair amount of 'just the facts' but where we differentiate ourselves from the SIDs' preview is we give you an honest assessment of each team, good or bad. The SIDs, as publicists, are going to put the best possible spin on everything.

We'll tell you how each team is going to finish, predicting their final record and the conference standings. We'll also rank Albright (and the other 237 teams), in order.

We'll also predict various other random events in Division III for the season, feature players to watch from each region and breakout teams, etc.

Got it. Now who do I have to bribe for a sneak peek and or a black market copy of said materials?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2007, 06:28:08 PM
Well, the materials aren't available until a few days before publication, so there's nobody to bribe. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on July 28, 2007, 06:05:01 PM
In reference to the Bo Tkach tragedy, I just wanted to set the record straight...Bo's father, Jim played football at Lyco on defense (LB) which in the mid-seventies era was ranked #1 in the Country in overall team defense...Jim did not play for Lehigh as his son Bo did briefly before transferring to Wilkes and excelling both academically (with honors) and athletically...I thought I would share the Sports Writer's Blog from the Allentown Call where Bo's Dad and my former Lyco team-mate states the facts surrounding the tragedy...I know my fellow MAC posters on this board feel the same as I do when I say God Bless Jim and his family and may Bo rest in peace...Simba

http://blogs.mcall.com/groller/2007/07/sadness-in-slat.html#comment
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 29, 2007, 07:17:05 AM
Simba

Welcome back from your exile.  Sorry it is on a sad note...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 30, 2007, 11:57:28 AM
July 30th.

Eagles in Lehigh

Smell of football in the air.

Picking up my 7yr olds football equipment tonight.  Practice starts this Thursday.  If he has his fathers talents, he will definitely be posting on D3.com in 15 years.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 30, 2007, 12:17:01 PM
and attending dvc...LOL!!   :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 30, 2007, 01:41:17 PM
PBR - I almost went to DVC.  Big Al recruited me pretty heavy back in the day.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 30, 2007, 09:32:15 PM
get out!! too funny...i think alot of recruits are obviously probably hit by weidner, dvc, lyco, albright. big al was always fair people didnt always agree with some of his coaching but everyone always said the best players were on the field he played no favorites.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 31, 2007, 08:26:32 AM
He told me when I was at campus on my visit that I would be pencilled as a starting DB.  I didn't believe him. 

I wound up going to Widener and started from day 1 there.  I guess Big Al was right all along.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 31, 2007, 01:03:41 PM
I thought AL Meltzer was a weatherman  :)

Actually Big Al told me that the reason he didn't push harder with Formerwu was that he had more yards horizontally than vertically on punt returns...and he wanted to focus on getting the squirrel to commit to DVC since he was a better player ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 31, 2007, 03:16:44 PM
Bman, If I could give you (-) karma, I would.

Go buy a pizza you idiot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 31, 2007, 03:20:10 PM
That just hurts....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on July 31, 2007, 04:16:46 PM
Bman

BTW - Big Al Meltzer was the sportscaster for Channel 10 not the weatherman.  His sidekick was Joe Pellegrino.  The weatherman was Gene Crane.

Were you able to get Philly stations where you lived when you were growing up  :)

Go tip a cow.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 31, 2007, 04:20:18 PM
pbr thought herb clarke was the weatherman and gene crane was weekends?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on July 31, 2007, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: formerwu on July 31, 2007, 04:16:46 PM
Bman

BTW - Big Al Meltzer was the sportscaster for Channel 10 not the weatherman.  His sidekick was Joe Pellegrino.  The weatherman was Gene Crane.

Were you able to get Philly stations where you lived when you were growing up  :)

Go tip a cow.
I remember when Channel Ten was channel 3 and channel 3 was channel ten in Philly.  KS grew up being able to get both NY and Philly channels when the weather was right.  KS grew up watching Cap'n Noah and Wee Willy Weber.  KS will go tip a cow now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 31, 2007, 04:39:43 PM
and mrs. noah doing dirty things under the table to the capt while the capt was trying to talk to the kids at home...they gave a interview on the radio a couple of months ago in philly and she told of the story where she was under the table serving the capt shall we say....pbr almost had to pull the car over on the way into work he was laughing so hard...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on July 31, 2007, 04:40:38 PM
Leave that cow with the see through stomach alone!!!! That's what's wrong with you boys. Should have been watching Larry Kane, Tollie and Pardner Jim O'brien (God rest his soul)at Action News
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 31, 2007, 04:41:50 PM
The best part is that Formerwu grew up about 3.5 miles from me....
...and he isn't admitting that he was a Jerry Pentacoli fan... ;D

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on July 31, 2007, 04:42:36 PM
Papa KS used to watch Action News.  I remember when Larry Kane went off to NY to work for the Network and came back a couple of years later because he enjoyed Philly more.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on July 31, 2007, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: bman on July 31, 2007, 04:41:50 PM
The best part is that Formerwu grew up about 3.5 miles from me....
...and he isn't admitting that he was a Jerry Pentacoli fan... ;D


Now you be nice to Jerry and his gerbil.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 31, 2007, 04:47:02 PM
I always liked Channel 65, and trying to figure out the spanish soap opera plots...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 31, 2007, 09:51:12 PM
Quote from: bman on July 31, 2007, 04:41:50 PM
The best part is that Formerwu grew up about 3.5 miles from me....
...and he isn't admitting that he was a Jerry Pentacoli fan... ;D



BOL!!!  well done bman!!  +k
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 01, 2007, 09:55:23 AM
Seems that Formerwu took a karma pummelling over our last exchange.

I must admit that there were alot of inside jokes going back and forth, and the pizza comment he made, while on the outside, looked harsh, was an inside joke between us.   Wu and I have been friends since college...so WU...a little +K to soften the blow... ;)

PS (you still had more horizontal yards than vertical) ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on August 01, 2007, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on July 31, 2007, 04:42:36 PM
Papa KS used to watch Action News.  I remember when Larry Kane went off to NY to work for the Network and came back a couple of years later because he enjoyed Philly more.
Larry Kane was a young reporter when he covered the Beatles US tours in 1964 & 65.  He became good friends the fab four.  Lennon used to visit him in Philly when John lived in NY.  Kane wrote a book called Ticket to Ride (http://www.amazon.com/Ticket-Ride-Inside-Beatles-Changed/dp/014303426X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-2565625-8241258?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185980149&sr=1-1), that JT picked up at a discount book store while on vacation.  Good read for any Beatle fan.  Very inside stuff.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 01, 2007, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: JT on August 01, 2007, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on July 31, 2007, 04:42:36 PM
Papa KS used to watch Action News.  I remember when Larry Kane went off to NY to work for the Network and came back a couple of years later because he enjoyed Philly more.
Larry Kane was a young reporter when he covered the Beatles US tours in 1964 & 65.  He became good friends the fab four.  Lennon used to visit him in Philly when John lived in NY.  Kane wrote a book called Ticket to Ride (http://www.amazon.com/Ticket-Ride-Inside-Beatles-Changed/dp/014303426X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-2565625-8241258?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185980149&sr=1-1), that JT picked up at a discount book store while on vacation.  Good read for any Beatle fan.  Very inside stuff.

your spot on JT larry kane knows a lot about the fab four...he calls in and is on a show on 102.9 in  philly w/ guy named andre gardner who is regarded as one of the leading authorities on the beatles. the 2 of them are incredible  w/ their inside stories and information on the beatles.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 01, 2007, 04:47:49 PM
FormerWU grew up as a Channel 10 guy, but has seen the light and is now an Action News guy all the way.  Too many hotties not to watch.

Are you serious that Mrs Noah was taking care of business under the table.  Got to love Sat morning TV.  I wonder what Kelly was doing to Zack on Saved by the Bell.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 02, 2007, 12:31:55 PM
no ish former....hilarious stories from captn and mrs. noah....pbr guesses this late in their lives they might as well tell all the stories and they had some funny ones...pbr thinks they might even have the interview still on prestonandsteve.com where she talks about it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 03, 2007, 09:18:35 AM
Formerwu

Are you going to WU camp at any time this year?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 03, 2007, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: bman on July 29, 2007, 07:17:05 AM
Simba

Welcome back from your exile.  Sorry it is on a sad note...

Simba,

I remember him too - he was a monster of a player.

What a tragedy and shame - please convey my sincere sympathies across the 7,000 miles and year to his family if you have the opportunity.

No parent ever wants to bury a child - it just seems to violate the natural order of things.

Great to see you on the site again.  And, Lyco defense yield something like 7 yards a game or some such weird fact on passing during those years.  What a collection of talent in one group of guys.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 06, 2007, 04:10:31 PM
Bman -

With LittleFormerWU playing this year, I won't have the time to make it to WU camp.  You will have to go and give us a scouting report.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chicks Dig the Long Ball on August 07, 2007, 09:13:43 PM
The 2007 MAC Football Pre-Season Poll (first-place votes in parenthesis) is as follows:
1. Wilkes (5) – 55 points
2. Widener (2) – 47 points
3. Delaware Valley (1) – 34 points
3. King's – 34 points
5. Lebanon Valley – 33 points
6. Lycoming – 31 points
7. Albright – 25 points
8. FDU-Florham – 16 points


Release Date: Tuesday, August 07, 2007


Just thought everyone would like to see the poll. On another note, I want to extend my condolences to Bo Tkach's family. As a former teammate of his, it really puts in to perspective just how short life really is.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 08, 2007, 02:32:56 AM
To CDTLB and other pre-season aficionados,

Remember - Georgetown soundly beat Villanova two times in the regular Big East season before they met for the national championship in 1985.

As I recall, Patrick Ewing never did get that NCAA ring, or come to think of it, that NBA ring either.

That is why they play the games - I say, Coach G and staff will use this ranking for motivation every time they play someone higher than them.

Let's see where Lycoming stands when the dust clears - the gridiron is a good place to find the true strength of teams.

Best of luck to all MAC teams, but especially, GO WARRIORS!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 08, 2007, 02:39:06 AM
Ewing and Georgetown won it the year before they played Villanova, beating Olajuwon, Drexler and Houston's Phi Slama Jama.

It's only like one of my greatest memories from being 8 years old.  ;)

And now back to your regularly scheduled MAC football chatter.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 08, 2007, 08:35:18 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 08, 2007, 02:32:56 AM
To CDTLB and other pre-season aficionados,

Remember - Georgetown soundly beat Villanova two times in the regular Big East season before they met for the national championship in 1985.

As I recall, Patrick Ewing never did get that NCAA ring, or come to think of it, that NBA ring either.

That is why they play the games - I say, Coach G and staff will use this ranking for motivation every time they play someone higher than them.

Let's see where Lycoming stands when the dust clears - the gridiron is a good place to find the true strength of teams.

Best of luck to all MAC teams, but especially, GO WARRIORS!

ATB

i dont know lyco....that is ALOT of bodies to crawl over....it doesnt make pbr's sister happy seeing the warriors down this long. pbr has tons of respect for coach g and what he has accomplished but its been awhile since lyco has been at the summit and pbr hears the whispers and see's the vultures circling
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chicks Dig the Long Ball on August 08, 2007, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 08, 2007, 02:32:56 AM
To CDTLB and other pre-season aficionados,

Remember - Georgetown soundly beat Villanova two times in the regular Big East season before they met for the national championship in 1985.

As I recall, Patrick Ewing never did get that NCAA ring, or come to think of it, that NBA ring either.

That is why they play the games - I say, Coach G and staff will use this ranking for motivation every time they play someone higher than them.

Let's see where Lycoming stands when the dust clears - the gridiron is a good place to find the true strength of teams.

Best of luck to all MAC teams, but especially, GO WARRIORS!

ATB



Lyco just curious why you made it seem like the preseason poll was an attack on the Warriors? I was merely stating what the coaches came up with and going in to camp the MAC coaches figure them as the third worst team. And for future reference please keep your metaphors out of the mid 80's and to a time when I was actually alive so I can relate to them (joking of course)


Go WU
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Uncle Jessie on August 08, 2007, 11:39:21 AM
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League ID#: 9077
League Name: FANS OF DIVISION 3 FOOTBALL
Password: usasouth

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 08, 2007, 01:26:19 PM
Quote from: Chicks Dig the Long Ball on August 08, 2007, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 08, 2007, 02:32:56 AM
To CDTLB and other pre-season aficionados,

Remember - Georgetown soundly beat Villanova two times in the regular Big East season before they met for the national championship in 1985.

As I recall, Patrick Ewing never did get that NCAA ring, or come to think of it, that NBA ring either.

That is why they play the games - I say, Coach G and staff will use this ranking for motivation every time they play someone higher than them.

Let's see where Lycoming stands when the dust clears - the gridiron is a good place to find the true strength of teams.

Best of luck to all MAC teams, but especially, GO WARRIORS!

ATB



Lyco just curious why you made it seem like the preseason poll was an attack on the Warriors? I was merely stating what the coaches came up with and going in to camp the MAC coaches figure them as the third worst team. And for future reference please keep your metaphors out of the mid 80's and to a time when I was actually alive so I can relate to them (joking of course)


Go WU

cd...lyco has been around a long time and my guess would be lyco doesnt consider it an attack against lyco but is merely stating that he totally disagrees with the poll and is on the record of stating he thinks lyco will finish higher than this poll predicts after all the dust settles from the season. also if you think this is an attack just wait until the regular season starts there will be plenty-o trash talkin and attacks on teams....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chicks Dig the Long Ball on August 08, 2007, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 08, 2007, 01:26:19 PM
Quote from: Chicks Dig the Long Ball on August 08, 2007, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 08, 2007, 02:32:56 AM
To CDTLB and other pre-season aficionados,

Remember - Georgetown soundly beat Villanova two times in the regular Big East season before they met for the national championship in 1985.

As I recall, Patrick Ewing never did get that NCAA ring, or come to think of it, that NBA ring either.

That is why they play the games - I say, Coach G and staff will use this ranking for motivation every time they play someone higher than them.

Let's see where Lycoming stands when the dust clears - the gridiron is a good place to find the true strength of teams.

Best of luck to all MAC teams, but especially, GO WARRIORS!

ATB



Lyco just curious why you made it seem like the preseason poll was an attack on the Warriors? I was merely stating what the coaches came up with and going in to camp the MAC coaches figure them as the third worst team. And for future reference please keep your metaphors out of the mid 80's and to a time when I was actually alive so I can relate to them (joking of course)


Go WU

cd...lyco has been around a long time and my guess would be lyco doesnt consider it an attack against lyco but is merely stating that he totally disagrees with the poll and is on the record of stating he thinks lyco will finish higher than this poll predicts after all the dust settles from the season. also if you think this is an attack just wait until the regular season starts there will be plenty-o trash talkin and attacks on teams....



This an attack? No.    A warning? Definitely.     Can't wait for the trash talking to start. Game On.


Go WU
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 08, 2007, 04:05:07 PM
When looking at the preseason poll, someone reminded me to keep the vote totals in mind along with the positions.  Lycoming may be sixth, but there's an incredibly thin margin between three through 6.  That speaks to the parity in this conference coming into 2007.

3. Delaware Valley (1) – 34 points
3. King's – 34 points
5. Lebanon Valley – 33 points
6. Lycoming – 31 points
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 08, 2007, 04:08:00 PM
absolutely gordon the entire league could turn out to be fairly close this year. it is a year of ? and change in the mac its going to be a fun year to watch
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 08, 2007, 10:25:06 PM
PBR & other fellow MAC Posters...There's more motivation this year than the past 3 years (last MAC Championship 2003) for the Warriors to win the MAC...Since 1975 (Lyco's first winning season in 17 years) any player who stayed at Lyco for 4 years, has won a MAC Championship!...I don't know of any other MAC team that can make that claim...."G" is very high on this year's recruiting class and very optimistic on keeping that streak intact!...Yes, the road through Wilkes-Barre and back to the top will be a challenge this year but as always, the "G" men will be up to it!...Simba

http://www.timesleader.com/sports/20070808_08_MAC_Wilkes_spt_ART.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 09, 2007, 07:38:07 AM
Quote from: K-Mack on August 08, 2007, 02:39:06 AM
Ewing and Georgetown won it the year before they played Villanova, beating Olajuwon, Drexler and Houston's Phi Slama Jama.

It's only like one of my greatest memories from being 8 years old.  ;)

And now back to your regularly scheduled MAC football chatter.

K-Mack,

Appropriately corrected, but then, Sleepy Floyd did make that pass to James Worthy too.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 09, 2007, 07:48:35 AM

Lyco just curious why you made it seem like the preseason poll was an attack on the Warriors? I was merely stating what the coaches came up with and going in to camp the MAC coaches figure them as the third worst team. And for future reference please keep your metaphors out of the mid 80's and to a time when I was actually alive so I can relate to them (joking of course)


Go WU
[/quote]

CDTLB,

Okay - since you have not the longevity to appreciate sports history or trivia when trusting on prognostication for one's belief system, ala pre-season polls or even punditry, permit me a current anecdote:

2004 - Yankees are up 3 nil over Boston - and everyone knows that no baseball team ever lost a playoff series after being up 3-0, but somehow, the dreaded Red Sox still have a World Series ring in what many believe is one of sports history's biggest collapses of all-time.

And, oh by the way, I am a Yankee fan, and thanks for paying for my social security check when and if I get to retirement age.

My sentiments were nicely captured by uPBR - and then Simba - the beast!

My hats are off to both you gents.

And by the way, even though I am in Japan, I checked and Lycoming defeated Widener last year, or, at least if you can believe anything you read, after all, American history students know that "Dewey Defeats Truman" but someone forgot to tell that to Harry.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 09, 2007, 08:27:42 AM
simba all good things must come to an end!!!  LOL....pbr is rooting for coach g as he is a solid man and his record speaks for itself (pbr just doesnt root for them when they play the green and gold of dvc)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on August 10, 2007, 09:02:56 PM
Hi, Im new to this board. I am a die hard Lyco fan, have been for about 15 years now. Coach G is a legend and the program he built is one of the top in the country.

I must say that Ive read your discussion on the MAC preseason poll and while ill agree that the number 6 spot was a bit of a shocker i feel that this years team will open some eyes this year. Lyco has a truely explosive wide reciever, sophmore Brad Shellenberger, he started last year as a freshmen. Said to be one of the fastest kids in the MAC. There is alot of hype around williamsport on him as well as the rest of the team. they should be doing some very big things this year.

I think the only question mark on the team is toss up between Sean Hanna or Colin Dwyer for the starting qb roll.

I know Coach G is very excited with the freshmen class this year hopefully some kids can come in and contribute early but thats very hard to do under "G".

SEPT 1 ITHACA...cant come soon enough
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 11, 2007, 06:29:29 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 08, 2007, 04:05:07 PM
When looking at the preseason poll, someone reminded me to keep the vote totals in mind along with the positions.  Lycoming may be sixth, but there's an incredibly thin margin between three through 6.  That speaks to the parity in this conference coming into 2007.

3. Delaware Valley (1) – 34 points
3. King's – 34 points
5. Lebanon Valley – 33 points
6. Lycoming – 31 points

G-Mann,

Thanks for putting succinctly - my point exactly.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 11, 2007, 06:30:30 PM
er - "it succinctly"

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 14, 2007, 12:03:23 PM
dvc season preview is out.....

http://www.delval.edu/athletics/football/news_2.htm
Title: Lycoming Warriors Post
Post by: Spidaz05 on August 14, 2007, 02:57:16 PM
Camp has started and it looks like it will be a great season!!! Team Lyco official post for d3sports.com what do you think of the team/schedule/recruits

I know that the Freshman class looks thick and you cant beat the senior leadership...

Do we have a Kicker in place as of yet?



Spidaz, welcome to the message boards.  To generate more activity, I have merged this topic into the MAC board.   good luck and have a good season.  I hope that you find your kicker! -- Ralph Turner
Title: Re: Lycoming Warriors Post
Post by: realistic on August 14, 2007, 02:59:56 PM
you'll probably have better luck on this topic in the MAC thread as opposed to a new topic.
Title: Re: Lycoming Warriors Post
Post by: fisheralum91 on August 14, 2007, 03:05:46 PM
ummmmmmm.
real is right--you arent from around these parts are ya
Title: Re: Lycoming Warriors Post
Post by: PBR... on August 14, 2007, 03:11:20 PM
nice pop up window to log into the cortland site as well....dood this should be in the mac conference move it there....
Title: Re: Lycoming Warriors Post
Post by: JQV on August 14, 2007, 03:21:46 PM
Just what the East Region boards needed, a place all to itself to discuss Lyco's kicker.


Go Bombers.
Title: Re: Lycoming Warriors Post
Post by: PBR... on August 14, 2007, 03:32:27 PM
BOL!!! +k jose
Title: Re: Lycoming Warriors Post
Post by: fisheralum91 on August 14, 2007, 03:35:43 PM
what is with the pop up anyway?
ya best move the topic spaz
Title: Re: Lycoming Warriors Post
Post by: PBR... on August 14, 2007, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: Spidaz05 on August 14, 2007, 02:57:16 PM
Camp has started and it looks like it will be a great season!!! Team Lyco official post for d3sports.com what do you think of the team/schedule/recruits

I know that the Freshman class looks thick and you cant beat the senior leadership...

Do we have a Kicker in place as of yet?

pbr believes coach G has brought in this secret weapon as the new kicker...
believe his handle is gus the kicking mule...
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moviegoods.com%2FAssets%2Fproduct_images%2F1010%2F156705.1010.A.jpg&hash=d25c00e1a6b558869c3c7b903ddff3dd632216d6)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on August 14, 2007, 05:53:28 PM
wow
Delval has become Upper Moreland dependant.... Hieland can play. He did everything at U. M.  I think he may have worked the snackstand at half time.
He has great hands, is very quick, and gets open. I saw a lot of UM games and these kids may not make it in college but they are gamers..and play hard
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FLOA52 on August 15, 2007, 06:02:32 PM
If Delval is becoming dependent on Upper Moreland I don't know how great their future may look.  Now I am a little bias because I come from their rival school but I have not kept an eye on them the last four years because I was in school playing football but when i was in high school they were not so great they did have one good year but that was it. 

I don't know much about hieland but I did notice one kids name on the list and he use to play at kings and now is at Delval. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on August 15, 2007, 09:45:22 PM
Quote from: FLOA52 on August 15, 2007, 06:02:32 PM
If Delval is becoming dependent on Upper Moreland I don't know how great their future may look.  Now I am a little bias because I come from their rival school but I have not kept an eye on them the last four years because I was in school playing football but when i was in high school they were not so great they did have one good year but that was it. 

I don't know much about hieland but I did notice one kids name on the list and he use to play at kings and now is at Delval. 


Flo

UM has been real good the last few years.. Lost to Pottsville by 3 in states last year They have been to the playoffs three of the last four or five years. Have to wait and see if they grow into good d3 players
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 16, 2007, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Simba on August 08, 2007, 10:25:06 PM
PBR & other fellow MAC Posters...There's more motivation this year than the past 3 years (last MAC Championship 2003) for the Warriors to win the MAC...Since 1975 (Lyco's first winning season in 17 years) any player who stayed at Lyco for 4 years, has won a MAC Championship!...I don't know of any other MAC team that can make that claim...."G" is very high on this year's recruiting class and very optimistic on keeping that streak intact!...Yes, the road through Wilkes-Barre and back to the top will be a challenge this year but as always, the "G" men will be up to it!...Simba

http://www.timesleader.com/sports/20070808_08_MAC_Wilkes_spt_ART.html


Did this guy read my post?

http://www.sungazette.com/sports/articles.asp?articleID=21443
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 17, 2007, 08:04:48 AM
simba maybe your him or he is you...the time is almost here to show if lyco can become a phoenix and rise from the ashes...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WestwoodCard on August 19, 2007, 08:33:43 AM
Khalee Prothro-Not listed on Widener's roster. Anyone know what happened to him?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on August 23, 2007, 01:14:07 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2007, 06:28:08 PM
Well, the materials aren't available until a few days before publication, so there's nobody to bribe. :)

Pat et al,

Just a note of congrats on a supurb Kickoff.  It will take some time going through and digesting, but enjoyable no doubt.  Thanks for the efforts.  I was going to talk some trash as it appears to be getting warm in here but for now I will just read up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 23, 2007, 02:00:01 PM
Cool.  Glad you're enjoying it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninorangehat on August 27, 2007, 09:37:24 AM
Lyco80 or other Lyco fans:  Any updates on how you guys have looked this pre-season?  There are many curious bomber fans over on the E8 board wondering what to expect this weekend. 

There are a good number of bomber updates from the past few days in case your interested in checking them out.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tecmobowler on August 27, 2007, 09:41:05 AM
How's the food at the Lyco stadium?  I'll be ready for a hot dog at the end of our drive!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 27, 2007, 04:07:17 PM
As a former visiting coach/fan,
I personally believe Lyco has the best on-site food in the MAC....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2007, 04:14:42 PM
I'd have said that once upon a time, too, but Albright blew me away last year.

Admittedly, not a category very relevant to the casual fan. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 27, 2007, 04:20:43 PM
In my years in the press box (and having eaten in all MAC venues at the time), my favorite was always DelVal bucause they always had home made soup (which was delicious)

Lyco was second, serving whoppers

Shame on those institutions who threw cold hot dogs our way ....you know who you are  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 27, 2007, 04:22:06 PM
pbr is sensing a new story/poll op for d3sports.com.....ranking food at d3 stadiums....can do it by region and possibly nationally...now who will take on the challenge of tasting and writing?  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 27, 2007, 04:26:45 PM
come to think of it if pbr had to rank his best overall food experience at any football game it would believe it or not have to be on the high school level at the annual marthas vineyard/nantucket game....they cook hamburgers on the grill to order (real burgers pat together by hand not machine) that were nice and thick and homemade clam chowder!! which on a cold november morning (saturdays) really hit the spot! plus all the floats and parades make the whole day a great experience watching all the vineyarders offload the ferries and parade up to 'tuckets stadium and the smell as you approached was nothing finer
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninorangehat on August 27, 2007, 04:42:33 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 27, 2007, 04:22:06 PM
pbr is sensing a new story/poll op for d3sports.com.....ranking food at d3 stadiums....can do it by region and possibly nationally...now who will take on the challenge of tasting and writing?  

MIOH hopes this story/poll would be broken down to include tailgating regulars as well as vendors from the school. 



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 27, 2007, 04:52:09 PM
PBR

Does DV still do the soup?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 27, 2007, 05:17:25 PM
No soup at Del Val, but the fried chicken tastes mighty nice at 10:30 am. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 27, 2007, 05:26:26 PM
To think at NJCU all we ever had was the Catering Truck that usually parked outside the gate on campus during the week.  Good Hotdogs, burgers and coffee though.  The truck owners also ran a greek restaraunt in Ft Lee I believe.  Now there is nothing.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 27, 2007, 05:48:18 PM
My recollection of the chow at Person Field, Lycoming's stadium, is the fries were unbelievably fresh.  I think the Montoursville Lions Club makes them from fresh and serves them up hot, salty, with vinegar and other condiments.  I can still taste them.

To answer any Bomber questions - I heard and read some positive things about the Warriors but can you believe that stuff.  I remember when I was in college standing next to a guy listed as 6'2" and looking down on him - I am 6'2", well at least the NJ DMV says so and so does the United States Navy.

Meaning, hype and fluff matter not, execution, poise, athleticism and guts are how you win in football and life.  Sometimes, just like R. Lee Ermey said in Full Metal Jacket - guts is enough.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on August 27, 2007, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on August 27, 2007, 05:26:26 PM
To think at NJCU all we ever had was the Catering Truck that usually parked outside the gate on campus during the week.  Good Hotdogs, burgers and coffee though.  The truck owners also ran a greek restaraunt in Ft Lee I believe.  Now there is nothing.

Best cheesrburger I ever had was from that truck when we played you guys. +K for you and the truck!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 27, 2007, 09:32:18 PM
mmmmmmmmmm Billy Burgers, makes me want to play hokey from work and walk up to the campus for lunch.  You wan salpeppeketch on that?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 28, 2007, 11:38:39 AM
so it begins this saturday...pbr expects dvc to stomp on iona...anything less is a disappointment. (pbr knows he is going out on a limb here...)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on August 28, 2007, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 28, 2007, 11:38:39 AM
so it begins this saturday...pbr expects dvc to stomp on iona...anything less is a disappointment. (pbr knows he is going out on a limb here...)

You guys will win. Iona is a tough bunch. I hope the limb is strong. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 30, 2007, 12:24:25 PM
a very good article on dvc lb. john pursell on closing in on 300 tackles and teams prospects for the year.


http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-08302007-1399859.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maninorangehat on August 30, 2007, 06:57:07 PM
Lyco80 - Whoever does your football preview does a pretty good job... things always seem to be late in regards to "official" bomber news from the ithaca website.  Kudos to your sports info. folks.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 31, 2007, 12:19:53 AM
Programming note...

While PBR expects Del Val to "stomp on Iona," I'd just settle for you listening to the game broadcast. :)


Delaware Valley
versus
Iona College

1 pm kickoff, 12:30 pregame on http://www.allinbroadcasting.com/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 31, 2007, 01:17:41 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 27, 2007, 04:26:45 PM
come to think of it if pbr had to rank his best overall food experience at any football game it would believe it or not have to be on the high school level at the annual marthas vineyard/nantucket game....they cook hamburgers on the grill to order (real burgers pat together by hand not machine) that were nice and thick and homemade clam chowder!! which on a cold november morning (saturdays) really hit the spot! plus all the floats and parades make the whole day a great experience watching all the vineyarders offload the ferries and parade up to 'tuckets stadium and the smell as you approached was nothing finer

That sounds great.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: K-Mack on August 31, 2007, 01:24:05 AM
Quote from: Simba on August 16, 2007, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Simba on August 08, 2007, 10:25:06 PM
PBR & other fellow MAC Posters...There's more motivation this year than the past 3 years (last MAC Championship 2003) for the Warriors to win the MAC...Since 1975 (Lyco's first winning season in 17 years) any player who stayed at Lyco for 4 years, has won a MAC Championship!...I don't know of any other MAC team that can make that claim...."G" is very high on this year's recruiting class and very optimistic on keeping that streak intact!...Yes, the road through Wilkes-Barre and back to the top will be a challenge this year but as always, the "G" men will be up to it!...Simba

http://www.timesleader.com/sports/20070808_08_MAC_Wilkes_spt_ART.html


Did this guy read my post?

http://www.sungazette.com/sports/articles.asp?articleID=21443

I got nathan but a blank article. The booo!

Quote from: bman on August 27, 2007, 04:20:43 PM
Shame on those institutions who threw cold hot dogs our way ....you know who you are  ::)

(has definitely been to that game at a few different sites. Not that I show up for the food or anything, but dang)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 31, 2007, 08:00:12 AM
Quote from: K-Mack on August 31, 2007, 01:17:41 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 27, 2007, 04:26:45 PM
come to think of it if pbr had to rank his best overall food experience at any football game it would believe it or not have to be on the high school level at the annual marthas vineyard/nantucket game....they cook hamburgers on the grill to order (real burgers pat together by hand not machine) that were nice and thick and homemade clam chowder!! which on a cold november morning (saturdays) really hit the spot! plus all the floats and parades make the whole day a great experience watching all the vineyarders offload the ferries and parade up to 'tuckets stadium and the smell as you approached was nothing finer

That sounds great.

kmack if your ever up there the its usually the sat. before turkey day and has huge ramifications for their state playoffs for small schools. well worth it as lots of people show up for the game and its a blast plus the homemade clam chowder just rocks. and its good football from very small high schools and the kids really care about the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 31, 2007, 08:01:11 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 31, 2007, 12:19:53 AM
Programming note...

While PBR expects Del Val to "stomp on Iona," I'd just settle for you listening to the game broadcast. :)


Delaware Valley
versus
Iona College



1 pm kickoff, 12:30 pregame on http://www.allinbroadcasting.com/

gordon pbr will be listening!!! pbr expects nothing but favorable calling from the booth in dvc's favor.... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2007, 02:28:47 PM
Iona 14
Delaware Valley 6 - HALF

Some bumps along the way technically with our server, which are fixed.  So if you couldn't get the game, please try again.  Pretty please? :)

In the game, Iona has 231 yards on 32 plays including a run for 46 and a pass for 40 (touchdown).  Iona's quarterback looks good.

Aggies offense has been okay.  Isgro 8-18-65 yards and a beautifully thrown TD to Joel Foreman on fourth and eight.  No rushing attack with Jake Sheffield missing the game due to injury.  Foreman four catches for 41 yards.  Frankly, Aggies are lucky to be this close.  See if they can turn it around.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2007, 04:18:51 PM
Iona 14
Delaware Valley 12 - Final

Defense played very well in the second half, but the offense couldn't sustain a drive.  Hard to tell if that's because Iona's rushing defense (ranked 3rd in Division I FCS last year) is great or because the Aggies have a lot of work ahead.  Maybe a little of both.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 01, 2007, 06:48:40 PM
OUCH!...Overall, the MAC took it in the chin today with my Warriors leading the way for the most "opportunities" needed for improvement....The Bombers came into Billtown, dumped their arsenal on us (250 total offensive yrds vs 50 at the half) and left us shellshocked at the end!....Let's hope the Warriors in week 2 at Ursinus (pre-season pick to take their league championship) show improvement over today's week 1 bombing!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 01, 2007, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on August 28, 2007, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 28, 2007, 11:38:39 AM
so it begins this saturday...pbr expects dvc to stomp on iona...anything less is a disappointment. (pbr knows he is going out on a limb here...)

You guys will win. Iona is a tough bunch. I hope the limb is strong. ;)

PBR,

I told you these guys were tough. They never quit and keep coming back. A lesson learned and good luck from here on. No blemish in D3. The MAC appears wide open with the Willy P. upset.

I'm going to Wilkes next week. Can you tailgate there? I have not been there in a while. Thanks !!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 01, 2007, 07:50:51 PM
Simba,

Concur - what a spanking and a big change from the last time the two met.

The MAC got thumped across the board with Albright losing big to Salisbury.

This only means that all in-conference games will have an even higher premium than most years.  It may turn out that the overall league champion comes away with two or more losses.

Did everyone else catch up to the MAC or did the MAC get weaker by comparison?

I base my comments somewhat on the NCAA won - loss totals in the tournament.  The MAC boasts one of the top percentages in the country.

Perhaps IC is a real power this year and will go far - who knows??

While I can get the game on the internet it is 0200 in the morning here at kickoff - which is way early for a game, even when the Warriors are playing.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 01, 2007, 08:01:51 PM
RAMS1102  Plenty of space at Wilkes to tailgate...the earlier you get there the closer to the gate you can be...nice complex...keep a heads up for the beer Nazi's

PBR...glad to see you're still posting...Looks like Del Val had their work cut out for them today.

Sorry Gordon...couldnt listen to the broadcast...work had to come first today...will see you guys on the 29th I hope and stop by for a dawg or two.

Anyone know what Isgro's final numbers were.
Also looks like it wasnt the MAC's day all around...

GO AGGIES!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 02, 2007, 08:42:09 AM
Yeah, the MAC was 0-for-6 with an average margin of defeat of 20.6 points.  The most surprising results were Wilkes losing to William Paterson and Lebanon Valley getting beaten soundly by Gettysburg. 

There's a pretty decent chance that the conference will be something like 5-19 or worse in non-conference play.  Widener, Delaware Valley, Wilkes and King's could all go 0-3.  I thought Lebanon Valley would be the only team with a chance at an at-large bid since they had the most manageable non-conference schedule.  Everyone else seemed destined for one or more non-conference loses.  Gettysburg shot down that possibility down quickly.

I'm not sure there's a great explanation for the MAC's weakness in the region this year.  My guess at this point is that the conference is just a little down with all the stronger programs having to fill considerable holes at the same time.  I don't think there's a systemic problem afoot.

HANGTIME:

Isgro's numbers: 15-31-141-2 TD-0 INT

They have to get him some help on the ground.  By the second quarter it was pretty clear he was going to have to make a throw every single down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on September 02, 2007, 10:02:05 AM
can anyone explain Lyco's position with playing these freshman in their secondary and gettin torched when kids that played last year at various times are on the bench?

Hats off to the bombers they played well.

First 3 kickoff's lyco put the ball on the ground,  I was so hyped about watching lyco football and tailgating along the fence, I feel like I was shot in the chest yesterday.

come on "g" and wise lyco is better than that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MOJO on September 02, 2007, 01:25:28 PM
Posters,
A disappointing Saturday for the MAC.  I was especially surprised with the LVC score.  Well, Guess that's why they play the games. 
                                                                Mojo
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on September 02, 2007, 04:36:53 PM
Is it just TGP or isn't a 2 pt loss by DVC to Iona (a FCS school - basically 2 divisions up) kind of impressive? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 02, 2007, 04:44:07 PM
Isn't Iona FCS non-scholarship?  Does anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 02, 2007, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on September 02, 2007, 04:36:53 PM
Is it just TGP or isn't a 2 pt loss by DVC to Iona (a FCS school - basically 2 divisions up) kind of impressive? 

I didnt think of it as a negative thing when I did my East Region top 10
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2007, 06:45:36 PM
They are non-scholarship.

Iona went 0-2 against Division III schools last year (Montclair State and Western Connecticut).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 02, 2007, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 02, 2007, 04:44:07 PM
Isn't Iona FCS non-scholarship?  Does anyone know for sure?

Correct

Quote from: Upstate on September 02, 2007, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on September 02, 2007, 04:36:53 PM
Is it just TGP or isn't a 2 pt loss by DVC to Iona (a FCS school - basically 2 divisions up) kind of impressive? 

I didnt think of it as a negative thing when I did my East Region top 10

That's debatable. 
Quote from: The Great Pumpkin on September 02, 2007, 04:36:53 PM
Is it just TGP or isn't a 2 pt loss by DVC to Iona (a FCS school - basically 2 divisions up) kind of impressive? 

No.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on September 02, 2007, 11:17:46 PM
Wow - TGP needs to do his homework.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 03, 2007, 11:39:45 AM
MAC is WIDE OPEN this year...no one at this point imho is a front runner....teams that are starting to impress pbr are salisbury and wesley...their football programs seem to be really strong and on the upswing. gordon pbr got the second half of the broadcast on the internet sounds like they really missed sheffield. w/o a threat of a running game they just released the hounds on isgro. it twas the weekend of upsets and losses....mac took it big on the chin, rochester had a surprising loss, rowan goes down and me-cheat-again goes down in flames to app st. ....bring on the irish to happy valley!!!  psu has a little payback waiting for uncle chuck when  he pulled the classless moves and ran it up on joe last year....pbr knows several players and this date has been circled on the calendar since the game last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 03, 2007, 12:19:34 PM
Should'nt the teams from the MAC get credit for playing tougher schedules. They could have filled their open dates with easier opponent. I think you would be hard pressed to find a team with a tougher out of conference schedule than Widener.  Also, Gordonman, I would not bet that everyone in the MAC will be 0-3 out of conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 03, 2007, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on September 03, 2007, 12:19:34 PM
Should'nt the teams from the MAC get credit for playing tougher schedules. They could have filled their open dates with easier opponent. I think you would be hard pressed to find a team with a tougher out of conference schedule than Widener.  Also, Gordonman, I would not bet that everyone in the MAC will be 0-3 out of conference.

Check out Montclair, Rowan and B-Ports Schedules !!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2007, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on September 03, 2007, 12:19:34 PM
Should'nt the teams from the MAC get credit for playing tougher schedules. They could have filled their open dates with easier opponent. I think you would be hard pressed to find a team with a tougher out of conference schedule than Widener. 

Christopher Newport
Hardin-Simmons
Montclair State

... off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 03, 2007, 07:25:06 PM
Pat-
When scheduled Wesley and Rowan were both ranked in the top 10 and NC wesleyan was picked to finish first in their conference ahead of Christopher Newport. Also,  NC Weslyan played Wesley very tough
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2007, 07:39:36 PM
When scheduled is cool and all. When played is what counts, of course. :)

Did you look at the non-conference games for the teams I cited at all, by the way?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 03, 2007, 07:44:26 PM
Have you looked at Brockport as well?  They have 3 top 10 teams (teams that will probably be top 10 when they play them, as well.)

I think toughest schedule is subjective (obviously), CNU's is obviously very hard and I think it's impossible to argue for and against it. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 03, 2007, 08:07:06 PM
Pat -
I did look at the teams you mentioned and in my opinion Widener and Christopher Newport are equal.
- Both teams play Rowan.
- Mary Hardin @ 4 and Wesley @ 7 is a wash
- and NC Wesleyan currently ranked ahead of Salisbury.

I personally feel that Widener's three are more difficult then Wilkes, Wesley, and Springfield. By your standards Wilkes is no longer ranked.

I am not saying that Widener is the only team with a difficult non conference schedule. In my opinion their schedule is a difficult as most. I feel that they deserve credit for searching out tough opponents.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 03, 2007, 10:41:16 PM
WUDLine:

I agree with you on crediting the MAC teams for scheduling tough.  Coaches Sheptock and Mannello at Wilkes and King's respectively told me they were intentionally going to schedule as tough as possible.  Wood has put together one of the hardest schedules in Division III and Del Val's isn't easy either considering they play Wes and Salisbury on the road.

I don't think all the MAC teams will go 0-3 but there aren't many "sure-things" out there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 04, 2007, 08:24:10 AM
pbr gives kudos to all the teams who schedule tough ooc games....should prepare teams well for whoever makes the playoffs. plus it gives people a chance to see teams they dont normally see. the question for pbr is did lyco struggle that much or is ithaca pretty good or a combination of both.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JQV on September 04, 2007, 08:35:49 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 04, 2007, 08:24:10 AM
pbr gives kudos to all the teams who schedule tough ooc games....should prepare teams well for whoever makes the playoffs. plus it gives people a chance to see teams they dont normally see. the question for pbr is did lyco struggle that much or is ithaca pretty good or a combination of both.

Probably a little of both PBR.  Maybe someone that was in attendance can verify this but the radio broadcast and box score made it sound like IC just dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.  Juvan was just standing in the backfield patting the ball looking for the open man while Lyco's QB/RBs were running for life on every snap.

Not sure what that says about either team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 04, 2007, 09:08:30 AM
Tough opening week for the MAC.  Everyone went down in flames.

I feel these tough out of conference games will hurt the MAC in the short term, but will strengthen the conference as a whole.  I'm a big proponent of playing up to your competition.  It might not be a win this year, but down the road the MAC will get stronger.

Go WU.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on September 04, 2007, 11:55:36 AM
Have to agree that while the out-of-conference games may be rough, in the long run, the MAC will be better for it. DVC doesn't have anything easy for the next 3 or 4 games, that's for certain, hopefully, they can bring the new guys on D up to speed and get some offensive line support for Isgro. It's absoulutely horrible that that line is such a sieve and the embarrassing run yardage they had against IC. The kicking game improved itself 10 fold after the half-time kicker change. They frosh looks like he'll do a great job. Filling so many holes and playing these tough games early is a lot to overcome, but hopefully by the time the MAC schedule starts DVC will have gotten it together and Shef will be healthy again (he should really sit for the next two weeks to let the injury heal).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 04, 2007, 12:41:49 PM
recap and quotes from dvc game....

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-09022007-1401289.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 04, 2007, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: formerwu on September 04, 2007, 09:08:30 AM
Tough opening week for the MAC.  Everyone went down in flames.

I feel these tough out of conference games will hurt the MAC in the short term, but will strengthen the conference as a whole.  I'm a big proponent of playing up to your competition.  It might not be a win this year, but down the road the MAC will get stronger.

Go WU.

I agree with your above statement. Playing the sisters of the blind will not help you in the post season. Tough out of conference games builds chatacter. Speaking of character, Montclair has Wilkes, Springfield, Wesley then Rowan , Cortland and Kean.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 04, 2007, 01:55:35 PM
I wonder if we will see BLUEGOLD45 back in the room, after his quotes this summer....touting all of the changes that were going to occur at Albright.  Perhaps he or LANES can provide some insight...

I was surprised at the Wilkes and Leb Val results, but not so much with Kings (SJF is a tough opener) and Lyco (same as above)

I for one am going to make every effort to see as many MAC games as possible this year, as it really does look wide open...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 04, 2007, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: bman on September 04, 2007, 01:55:35 PM
I wonder if we will see BLUEGOLD45 back in the room, after his quotes this summer....touting all of the changes that were going to occur at Albright.  Perhaps he or LANES can provide some insight...

I was surprised at the Wilkes and Leb Val results, but not so much with Kings (SJF is a tough opener) and Lyco (same as above)

I for one am going to make every effort to see as many MAC games as possible this year, as it really does look wide open...

bluegold and his brother may learn a hard lesson this year...warren may be able to shed some light on the leb val results
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2007, 03:44:58 PM
Widener is among teams discussed in this week's Around the Nation podcast. It's a wrapup of the interesting stories on the national scene, plus a chance to hear our opinions about teams:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/09/04/around-the-nations-take/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 04, 2007, 03:57:45 PM
Thanks Pat (as always)

Due to restrictions on my work machine, I will not be able to listen to the podcast until this evening....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 04, 2007, 05:10:38 PM
gordonmann

I plan on being at the game Saturday. What local radio station carries Del Val games up here in Bucks Co.? Now that BUX is all Catholic all the time the only locals are in Lansdale and Lower Bucks. 

  I usually sit at the top of the steps 2nd row from the top on the press box entrance side

  I have had many opportunities to see some of the Del Val kids when they played thier H.S. games. I think that Hieland will develope into a real good player once he gets his feet wet. He has some good football sense. He has good hands and gets open
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2007, 10:36:02 AM
PA_wesleyfan:

Yeah, the Del Val broadcasts are actually internet only.  One local radio station whose name I cannot remember had been interested in carrying the Aggie games back in 2004 but eventually brought back Penn State broadcasts instead.  The lack of local radio interest works to my advantage since stations generally prefer to use their own people instead of outsiders anyway.

I'll look for you on Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 05, 2007, 10:38:54 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 05, 2007, 10:36:02 AM
PA_wesleyfan:

Yeah, the Del Val broadcasts are actually internet only.  One local radio station whose name I cannot remember had been interested in carrying the Aggie games back in 2004 but eventually brought back Penn State broadcasts instead.  The lack of local radio interest works to my advantage since stations generally prefer to use their own people instead of outsiders anyway.

I'll look for you on Saturday.

gordon pbr believes that station was/is 1440 AM WNPV(Lansdale, PA) and yes they are still carrying psu games and most of the local h.s. games on friday night. Ahhh the old days growin up w/ WBUX....pbr remembers taking a class trip there in elementary school....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 05, 2007, 11:13:26 AM
As I'm sure most of you know already, all conference  games this year SHOULD have live play by play over the internet on each school's web site.
We tested it out here, and so far it works. We'll have a trial run with FORMER conference opponent Juniata this weekend. I wouldn't be surprised if the other schools are doing the same...It's not the same as an actual radio call, but it's better than nothing!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 05, 2007, 11:29:13 AM
and people who do call the games are very good....in all seriousness if you get a chance listen to gordon call a game he is a very talented individual who probably doesnt get near the props he should.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2007, 12:08:55 PM
Aw, shucks.  Thanks. (blushing)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 05, 2007, 04:21:31 PM
I don't know if BCB still does lower bucks games but it used to be that you could catch three different games on a Friday and then they would play a taped game as well.
They actually used taped radio broadcast and dubbed them to the HS videos, I have a few great calls for both my sons.   Stuff you just don't get every day. 

NPV has a great post game show and is also available thru the net.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 06, 2007, 07:43:55 AM
the best is the "big ticket" on wfmz channel 69 out of allentown...they cover almost every h.s. game in the eastern 1/2 of pennsylvania with video clips and recaps on friday night....mucho kudos to those guys for doing this
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 06, 2007, 07:30:28 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 06, 2007, 07:43:55 AM
the best is the "big ticket" on wfmz channel 69 out of allentown...they cover almost every h.s. game in the eastern 1/2 of pennsylvania with video clips and recaps on friday night....mucho kudos to those guys for doing this

Watch it every week after I get home from a local game. WNPV's Friday night radio recap is really well done but it only covers district one games
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 06, 2007, 08:55:11 PM
its good to see former dvc head coach g.a. mangus still screaming at them all and having middle tenn. giving louisville fits right now on espn2!!! still sporting the trademark sun visor and watching him get on the offense down at the goalline during the timeout was beautiful...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 08, 2007, 02:08:21 AM
It's not quite Appalachian State/Michigan but it's still an underdog on the road.  If you can't make it to Dover, listen to our broadcast as Delaware Valley tries to slow down No. 7 Wesley.

Delaware Valley
-versus-
No. 7 Wesley

Kickoff at 1 pm with pregame at 12:30 pm on www.allinbroadcasting.com.

Listen in because the Appalachian State/Lenoir-Rhyne game won't be nearly as much fun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 08, 2007, 09:15:32 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 08, 2007, 02:08:21 AM
It's not quite Appalachian State/Michigan but it's still an underdog on the road.  If you can't make it to Dover, listen to our broadcast as Delaware Valley tries to slow down No. 7 Wesley.

Delaware Valley
-versus-
No. 7 Wesley

Kickoff at 1 pm with pregame at 12:30 pm on www.allinbroadcasting.com.

Listen in because the Appalachian State/Lenoir-Rhyne game won't be nearly as much fun.

DVC pulls the upset today 31-28
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 08, 2007, 02:54:26 PM
Aggies up 21-7 with 8:02 in third.

3 Wesley mistakes equal 21 points for Del Val.

Look for Wesley to come out here like a rocket.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 08, 2007, 04:11:08 PM
Wesley's defense errupts for 17 points in the fourth quarter and the Aggies offense does very little as Wesley rallies to avoid the big upset.  Final score Wesley 24 Del Val 21.

Gritty effort from the defense.  If the offense does anything, they'll be competitive in conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BigCoachOnCampus on September 09, 2007, 12:29:55 AM
Well Albright Done its Job, We busted Kean's Delaware Wing-T and won 42-17! And I heard word that Kean was the real deal... :P please!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2007, 12:35:14 AM
Congrats. About time we had an Albright poster.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2007, 01:50:29 AM
The real deal is Kelly who had 447 passing yards.  I thought he was a season away from being an All-Region candidate but was wrong. 

Kudos to the MAC who had a nice rebound this week.  Widener and Albright get nice wins.  Leb Val gets on track.  Del Val acquits itself pretty well.  Even FDU-Florham gets in on the fun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 09, 2007, 05:12:45 AM
Gordo,

Not to attempt to quibble with a man who is All-Region with a gazillion posts, but 447 yards makes me think the secondary was made of swiss cheese and the pass rush using walkers.

447 freaking yards?  Time to recruit some new boys for the D.

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Old Ref on September 09, 2007, 09:46:01 AM
Congrats to all Widener fans on the win over NCWC.....Excellent game plan by coaches...Congrats to all...

NCWC fan
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2007, 12:04:52 PM
Lyco80:

Ha.  Not a problem -- quibble away. :)

You're right in that the yardage itself signals serious flaws in the Kean secondary.  But consider Kelly's numbers from a year ago - 2,075 yards, 19 touchdowns, 6 interceptions.  First in the conference in passing yards per game, first in total offense, second quarterback efficiency.  Then throw in the fact that Kelly split time at quarterback and didn't start the first three weeks of 2006.  The kid has a great arm, good pocket presence and good mobility.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 09, 2007, 12:10:04 PM
Kean runs the wing-T?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2007, 12:18:47 PM
Week 1 Around the Nation (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2007-09-06/In+openers%2C+hope+springs%2C+or+falls%2C+eternal)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BigCoachOnCampus on September 09, 2007, 04:55:23 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 09, 2007, 12:10:04 PM
Kean runs the wing-T?

Yea they do to be exact the Delaware Wing T, and what surprised me the most that the Kean Pass Defense that thought to look so good against USMMA, was busted open by our Receivers Asay and Allen. And most of all thier pass offense was miserable with four picks including a spectacular one Hander by Matt Christ. And most important thing of all we stopped the running game and that "Jet-Sweep" thier marquee play. So I feel that we can compete in the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 10, 2007, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Old Ref on September 09, 2007, 09:46:01 AM
Congrats to all Widener fans on the win over NCWC.....Excellent game plan by coaches...Congrats to all...

NCWC fan

Thanks Old Ref...I did listen to the webcast of the game...did sound like it would have been a different game minus some crucial turnovers from the Bishops...especially on special teams..

One question....Ginn replaced Townsend late in the game, and the announcers on teamline weren't sure if that was due to an injury or if Ginn was upset with Townsend's play...

I'd appreciate any info you have on that....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 10, 2007, 10:27:52 AM
PBR...Yes it was good to see G.A. up to his antics again....believe me I know how his kicker is feeling.....

What is up with the DVC "O" line play..is it experience, size or ;lack of execution? I havent been to a game yet but planning on the home opener on the 29th...hope to see you there or is it a soccer weekend for your tribe??
You know where we tailgate so be there!!

Gordon Mann you also know where we tailgate so you be there too!!
From what I am reading on D3 it seems that DVC has put all of its eggs in one basket with one running back? Hope I am wrong.  There should be a depth chart and the active recruiting is now over...so where do you think the problem lies??

I thought DVC would have put Wesley away with a substantial lead that they had....Oh Well off to Salisbury




ATB

GO AGGIES!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 10, 2007, 11:59:09 AM
Congrats to WU on your win down in Dixie.  It doesn't get any easier with Wesley this weekend, and Rowan next weekend.  If we get through this with only one loss, look out MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 10, 2007, 12:52:07 PM
dvc recap is up....tough loss to take...

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-09092007-1404705.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 10, 2007, 01:30:40 PM
FormerWU

Wesley this Friday?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 10, 2007, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: HANGTIME on September 10, 2007, 10:27:52 AM
PBR...Yes it was good to see G.A. up to his antics again....believe me I know how his kicker is feeling.....

What is up with the DVC "O" line play..is it experience, size or ;lack of execution? I havent been to a game yet but planning on the home opener on the 29th...hope to see you there or is it a soccer weekend for your tribe??
You know where we tailgate so be there!!

Gordon Mann you also know where we tailgate so you be there too!!
From what I am reading on D3 it seems that DVC has put all of its eggs in one basket with one running back? Hope I am wrong.  There should be a depth chart and the active recruiting is now over...so where do you think the problem lies??

I thought DVC would have put Wesley away with a substantial lead that they had....Oh Well off to Salisbury




ATB

GO AGGIES!!


hey hangtime good to see you...pbr isnt sure yet and has to check schedules...also might be sprinkling in a few more psu games this season yet (ohio st, wiscy come to town....)  the mac is wide open horse race this year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 10, 2007, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: HANGTIME on September 10, 2007, 10:27:52 AM
What is up with the DVC "O" line play..is it experience, size or ;lack of execution?

From what I am reading on D3 it seems that DVC has put all of its eggs in one basket with one running back? Hope I am wrong.  There should be a depth chart and the active recruiting is now over...so where do you think the problem lies??

I thought DVC would have put Wesley away with a substantial lead that they had....Oh Well off to Salisbury

As far as the o-line question, They lost the starting center early in the second half and Wesley's d-line is pretty good. Isgro was sacked about four times, but a lesser athlete probably would have been sacked about ten. He was running for his life all day.

I was impressed with Matt Cook at running back. He runs below his pads well and broke one long run. He was really tough to to stop on the goaline and short yardage.

I think that Sheffield will get more playing time as he gets healthy. He'll probably give them a little more of an outside threat and catches the ball well. They could be a nice combination.

The time that DVC really failed to put Wesley away was in the first half. They were in Wolverine territory a lot in the first half and came away with just 14 points. If you add up their three scoring "drives" they total 69 yards (46, 19, 4.)

Wesley had turned the ball over four times in the first three quarters, but they were moving the ball. You have to credit the Aggies defense, which I was very impressed with. Even though Wesley put up 17 points in the fourth quarter, they really had to work for it and convert at least two 4th and-long.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 10, 2007, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: Conrad on September 10, 2007, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: HANGTIME on September 10, 2007, 10:27:52 AM
What is up with the DVC "O" line play..is it experience, size or ;lack of execution?

From what I am reading on D3 it seems that DVC has put all of its eggs in one basket with one running back? Hope I am wrong.  There should be a depth chart and the active recruiting is now over...so where do you think the problem lies??

I thought DVC would have put Wesley away with a substantial lead that they had....Oh Well off to Salisbury

As far as the o-line question, They lost the starting center early in the second half and Wesley's d-line is pretty good. Isgro was sacked about four times, but a lesser athlete probably would have been sacked about ten. He was running for his life all day.

I was impressed with Matt Cook at running back. He runs below his pads well and broke one long run. He was really tough to to stop on the goaline and short yardage.

I think that Sheffield will get more playing time as he gets healthy. He'll probably give them a little more of an outside threat and catches the ball well. They could be a nice combination.

The time that DVC really failed to put Wesley away was in the first half. They were in Wolverine territory a lot in the first half and came away with just 14 points. If you add up their three scoring "drives" they total 69 yards (46, 19, 4.)

Wesley had turned the ball over four times in the first three quarters, but they were moving the ball. You have to credit the Aggies defense, which I was very impressed with. Even though Wesley put up 17 points in the fourth quarter, they really had to work for it and convert at least two 4th and-long.


very good analysis....you need to post more conrad
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 10, 2007, 09:18:42 PM
formerwu, is there anyplace to tailgate at widener.  my son plays for wesley and he is from delco and plenty of family and friends are coming to the game.  we are hoping to be able to tailgate, but i am told that there is not really anyplace to do it near the field.  are there other places that people tailgate for the widener home games?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 10, 2007, 11:26:52 PM
Wesleydad

Being that it is in Chester, you may want to limit the activities to the immediate stadium area.

During day games there are several lots that one can tailgate, although they are quite a far walk from the stadium.  There used to be preferred parking that was on the baseball field (near the stadium) however, since they have redone that complex, not sure if they still have that.  Your best bet is to contact the Widener AD to see if they have spots for those.

Having spent 4 plus years there, my recommendation is to limit your activities/travels to the campus areas, where lighted and there are crowds...

Perhaps I'll see you there...If I go, I will be wearing a Nebraska hat (and toting small children :))

Good Luck
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 11, 2007, 08:27:12 AM
gordon looking at the stats and reading the recaps it looks like john pursell is just having a monster year....15 tackles against iona and 16 against wesley...a number of them for losses...how has he looked to you as well as the defense as a  whole this season?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 11, 2007, 08:34:38 AM
Wesleydad,

Chester is bad when you cross over 95 (east side).  The campus area is fine.  Best place to tailgate is on the campus near the Library and Kirkbride engineering building.  A couple of parking lots to choose from.  The stadium is about a half a mile walk from there.

I wish I could make it, but I will most likely be out of town for this one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 11, 2007, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 10, 2007, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: Conrad on September 10, 2007, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: HANGTIME on September 10, 2007, 10:27:52 AM
What is up with the DVC "O" line play..is it experience, size or ;lack of execution?

From what I am reading on D3 it seems that DVC has put all of its eggs in one basket with one running back? Hope I am wrong.  There should be a depth chart and the active recruiting is now over...so where do you think the problem lies??

I thought DVC would have put Wesley away with a substantial lead that they had....Oh Well off to Salisbury

As far as the o-line question, They lost the starting center early in the second half and Wesley's d-line is pretty good. Isgro was sacked about four times, but a lesser athlete probably would have been sacked about ten. He was running for his life all day.

I was impressed with Matt Cook at running back. He runs below his pads well and broke one long run. He was really tough to to stop on the goaline and short yardage.

I think that Sheffield will get more playing time as he gets healthy. He'll probably give them a little more of an outside threat and catches the ball well. They could be a nice combination.

The time that DVC really failed to put Wesley away was in the first half. They were in Wolverine territory a lot in the first half and came away with just 14 points. If you add up their three scoring "drives" they total 69 yards (46, 19, 4.)

Wesley had turned the ball over four times in the first three quarters, but they were moving the ball. You have to credit the Aggies defense, which I was very impressed with. Even though Wesley put up 17 points in the fourth quarter, they really had to work for it and convert at least two 4th and-long.


very good analysis....you need to post more conrad

Thanks, I enjoy your too, especially the pictures! ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dedragon on September 11, 2007, 10:36:15 AM
WesleyDad,

I have a group of fans going up for the Wesley-Widener game on Friday.  Lets see if we can find a place to tailgate together!  Seems like there are mixed feelings on the area.  We might want to group together to "circle the wagons"!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 11, 2007, 11:16:08 AM
uPBRmeASAP:

John has played great so far.  He's got a great sense for where the ball is going and good closing speed.  This past weekend he was matched up with Wesley's speedy receivers (Clarke and/or Beavers) and did a great job shadowing them on short patterns.  Del Val used him the same way last year with Khalee Prothro.  Those are tough assignments for a ILB.

The rest of the defense -- particularly Albanasius, Rissinger, Reuter, Squiterhas -- has also played well.  I've been very impressed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 11, 2007, 11:29:32 AM
deddragon

I don't think there are mixed messages...those areas formerwu mentioned are the ones I referenced, and are fine for tailgating during the day.  While the walk from there to the stadium (albeit long) is on campus and I'm sure will be well lit and patrolled, never lose sight that you still are in Chester...which is on a whole other level than the bad spots in Dover....

My comment was that you may have a closer option in parking on the baseball field (if that is still available), and would be what I would choose If I were tailgating.

I am probably going to the game and brining small children....If I was overly concerned with the area, I would not be doing that...

Post me a personal message if you want specific directions etc...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dedragon on September 11, 2007, 02:55:05 PM
bman,

Thanks for your help.  I've printed out three different campus maps (including one provided to all visiting teams).  It shows three (3) parking lots close to the Schwartz Center, but I kind of assume that would be more of a home team area, but maybe not.  As far as the general location of parking lots and the idylic setting of Chester, PA... I am more worried about what happens to my vehicle during the game, than my group during pregame festivities.  I am probably overthinking the issue, but then again, having to deal with the police and insurance company for wanting to go to a football game might ruin the experience.  Just checking all the options!!

On another subject.  I think this is a great matchup!!  I have been in the Dover area since 2001, and think this game is long overdue.  Widener has great talent and I'm looking to see how everyone matches up on the field.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 11, 2007, 03:28:09 PM
Dedragon

You may have this map...

http://www.widener.edu/documents/map_wumaincampus.pdf (http://www.widener.edu/documents/map_wumaincampus.pdf)

More likely you will need to park by "29" (on the map), but I will check with them and post later...

I remember us playing Wesley once in the late 80s...but you are correct...this is a great thing for both schools...

With Wesleyan, Wesley and Rowan, hopefully we are not too beat up for our MAC schedule....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 11, 2007, 04:34:52 PM
hey all, thanks for the info on tailgating.  dedragon, i have lived in delco all my life and am not worried about the immediate widener campus area and i am sure the walk to the field is well lit and well traveled, scum dont like crowds or lights.  dedragon, i will have a group there since they are dying to see my son play locally, and i believe there will be some there to see saf who is also from the area.  we expect to be there between 430 and 500 and will park where need be since there seems to be choices.  knowing the area, parking on the baseball field area would be best if it is available, maybe someone can get the info.  i also heard that wesley is having a bus come up for the game.  that would be great, but i am told that the visitor stands are small.  bman and formerwu thanks again, and bman i will look for a nebraska hat, i will have on an army bucket hat and will be up top if i can, cant sit and watch a game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 11, 2007, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 11, 2007, 04:34:52 PM
hey all, thanks for the info on tailgating.  dedragon, i have lived in delco all my life and am not worried about the immediate widener campus area and i am sure the walk to the field is well lit and well traveled, scum dont like crowds or lights. 
noted, however I did have my car stolen at a night basketball game behind the athletic center... :)  although that was in the late 80s......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on September 11, 2007, 05:51:23 PM
Hey folks, Widner has a nice complex, but isn't particularly "visitor" friendly. The "V" stands are quite small so I recommend you get in the stadium early in order to have a place to sit with some kind of site-line. Also, if you arrive early it's not difficult to find a tailgating spot in either of two parking lots near (that's a stretch) the stadium. It is a long walk, but it's certainly not a problem unless you have health issues. In fact, there is more room at Widener than Wesley for tailgating IMHO.

Gordon, your assessment of the "D" is on the money. JP has been terrific so far teamed with the other inside backer. The outside backers have made a few costly mistakes, but they are going to be very good, by the start of MAC games. They are young there. But overall the "D" has been outstanding.

The lack of execution by the offense is just inexcusable. While #1 is quite athletic, he is way to "cowboy" and undisciplined so far. The "O" line is about the same as it's been in the past, but it doesn't help that they are pass blocking so often.

This is a tuff start for the Aggies, but they have played well enough defensively to win both games, once the offense starts to move the ball and give the defense a breather, the results will be much better for them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 12, 2007, 12:21:27 PM
Hey, how about Widener getting a front page article.  Way to go Pride. 

I'm having a hard time saying Pride.  What are we, a pack of lions or a "Happy" parade in a big city.  Someone please explain.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 12, 2007, 12:44:24 PM
You asked for it, must be the "Happy Parade" in Greenwich Village, do they have rainbows on the helmets now?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 12, 2007, 01:07:39 PM
If they put rainbows on the helmets, I'll start rooting for Lyco.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Uncle Jessie on September 12, 2007, 02:51:09 PM
Hey Albright fans. Here are this weeks game notes for you against the Hornets. http://www.su.edu/athletics/Football_gn.pdf

If any of you are feeling like tailgating feel free to bring your grills. We have a huge field where you can park your car next to the stadium. Also if you like to hear the play by play while at the game and want to bring a radio, the game is on 95.3. I hope you all enjoy your visit to Winchester Saturday night under the lights. Shentel is a beautiful Stadium and Im sure you will have a great time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 15, 2007, 08:18:58 AM
Quote from: formerwu on September 12, 2007, 12:21:27 PM
Hey, how about Widener getting a front page article.  Way to go Pride. 

I'm having a hard time saying Pride.  What are we, a pack of lions or a "Happy" parade in a big city.  Someone please explain.

Despite the PC gurus, Lycoming decided to continue to call themselves the "Warriors" since that name is simultaneously adjectival and nominative.

The only Pride I can recall is a group of lions, but then they are usually dominated by the lioness who does most of the hunting.

Not sure where this all is headed, but it did sort of amuse me as I commenced.

Don't hold your breath on the rainbow helmets fwu,  the uniforms haven't changed a bit in 30 years - in fact, I think they may be the same jerseys Simba wore!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 15, 2007, 08:57:49 AM
Hofstra is also known as the Pride, they use a  lion  (http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/index_Athletics.cfm) as their mascot/symbol.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 15, 2007, 11:46:26 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 15, 2007, 08:57:49 AM
Hofstra is also known as the Pride, they use a  lion  (http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/index_Athletics.cfm) as their mascot/symbol.

Hofstra as the Pride is a fairly recent thing. As I recall, they were formerly the Flying Dutchmen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 15, 2007, 12:49:49 PM
QuoteHofstra is also known as the Pride, they use a  lion  as their mascot/symbol.


The same is true of Springfield...

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3football.com%2Fimages%2Flogos%2Fspringfield.gif&hash=876350b61c7e53dbfa79e7f58ae3bf8f01b8fa99)

...Greensboro and

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.logoserver.com%2Fcollege%2FGreensboroPride.GIF&hash=9066ce61b64e01ca1b56f1872295e531412834ac)

...Regis (Mass.).

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecommonwealthcoastconference.com%2Fimages%2Fgen%2F2007%2F7%2F3%2Fregis.jpg&hash=5d3981ba99f1b423d63afd8c4c617b9d66339ce6)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 17, 2007, 10:16:39 AM
Come on MAC.  Wake up.  You guys are embarrasing.  What is our out of conference record so far, 1 - 12?

WU, this is your last chance this week to get some respect back for our conference.  Go into Glassboro and make some noise Friday night.  I'll be there watching.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 17, 2007, 10:47:58 AM
whoa, take a easy....take a look at who these teams are playing....they are not playing cupcake schedules...these guys are playing some top teams and very tough ooc schedules. granted everyone would like to see a few more wins but cut them a little slack here
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 17, 2007, 12:22:54 PM
Formerwu on a rampage...I love it!

I chose not to go on Friday (and bring a 1 year old out in the rain....) , but from the broadcast...(WDEL does a great job by the way....) this game could have easily been 45-17...

Clearly Wesley Dominated 2nd half of the game...and definitely exposed some holes in the WU line-up...

I think it is fair to say that this point(IMHO), that WU is about a 2-4 touchdown underdog against national caliber teams.  And that may not be the case in 1 week, 4 weeks, 6 weeks...but last Friday, they were not the better team by far...


Getting better against the run is a must if this team is to be competitive...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 17, 2007, 01:17:36 PM
PBR -

I'm all for top notch Out of Conference games from here on out.  I just thought we would be better than what we have shown.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 17, 2007, 03:54:35 PM
I'm most surprised by Lyco and Wilkes, each now at 0-3, and DVC at 0-2. I'm not overly surprised that LVC is currently 1-2 (with Brossman receiving double-coverage when he doesn't have three defenders hanging all over him, the Dutchmen may have some additional rough Saturdays).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 17, 2007, 04:01:48 PM
the big surprise to pbr is wilkes ....pbr thought they would win 1 of those games most likely rowan.....pbr is still trying to figure out wilkes and what is going wrong up there....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 17, 2007, 04:30:27 PM
Well

the bright side is that the remaining in conference games will be barn burners....with all teams needing to win the conference bid...since the Pool C is essentially gone(Unless WU beats Rowan)...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 17, 2007, 04:33:58 PM
I'm a little surprised at the poor non-conference showing, but not stunned.  Kickoff projected King's at 0-3, Widener 1-2 (beating NC Wes), Wilkes 1-2 (beating WPUNJ), Lycoming 1-2 (beating Susquehanna) and Del Val 1-2 (beating Iona).  Not quite as bad as reality (barring upsets for Del Val and Widener) but not good either.

The biggest surprises to me are Albright to the positive and Leb Val to the negative.  Their situations just underline the importance of having an established quarterback.  Albright will likely win more games in conference than I originally predicted because Kelly is that good.  Lebanon Valley brought back most of their team, but needed a new quarterback.

Take heart, MAC fans.  One more week and then the real fun begins.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 17, 2007, 04:41:22 PM
I give the MAC props for scheduling the tougher out of confrence games. With an AQ you still get to play your regular season  and get a team in to the playoffs. Wesley and the rest of the ACFC don't have that convenience.  The usually have to scramble to gets 10 games and if two team have a great year more than likely one stays home. I am sure the coaches learn more about their teams from playing tougher teams than they would witha  cupcake schedule.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 17, 2007, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 17, 2007, 04:33:58 PM
The biggest surprises to me are Albright to the positive and Leb Val to the negative.  Their situations just underline the importance of having an established quarterback.  Albright will likely win more games in conference than I originally predicted because Kelly is that good.  Lebanon Valley brought back most of their team, but needed a new quarterback.

Gordon: I have to agree.

I've been watching the MAC, in its various manifestations, since 1967. Anyone claiming to know exactly how it will play out in a given season is either a charlatan or a fool: one season's champ is next year's chump -- that's just business as usual in this conference.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 18, 2007, 06:37:31 AM
I concur with my wiser colleagues.  I listened to both Lycoming losses here in Japan on the internet and they just gave away the game to Ursinus and Susquehanna.  Both of those losses hurt more than the one to Ithaca.

Not sure how things are going to turn out for the Warriors this year as Coach G gets up in years and the team is not as competitive as hoped for.  It is hard for legends to know when to step down - my high school's football coach is in year 50!

All this going on against the backdrop of conference shake-ups.  An interesting time for the MAC and I predict the conference winner may have as many as three or more total losses.

This sort of puts us in the category with some of those teams in North Carolina and Virginia who get into the dance with 6-4 records.  I never understood that when teams 8-2 go wanting.  Yeah, I know about automatic bids and all that - but excellence is excellence.  I am sure the NCAA is just trying to ensure they generate a national following even if it is with some early exit mediocre talent.

There were plenty of times in the late 70s when any Lycoming team would have fared well but did not get an invite to the playoffs.

Here's hoping for a better MAC weekend and continued Yankee success!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 18, 2007, 09:06:08 AM
pbr doesnt know yet about coach G ....but lyco is really struggling for a number  of years now.... its going to be a fun year in the MAC as there is clearly no front runner and every game will be a tossup....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LD2781 on September 18, 2007, 01:33:30 PM
i'd have to agree with formerWU. this year's record vs. non-conf opponents is abysmal albeit against good competition. You can argue bad calls, we beat ourselves etc. but the fact remains the games were not won on the field and as a result the conference looks very weak compared to the rest of the region. Just hope after everyone is done beating on each other the AQ doesn't face an early round exit from the playoffs but based on the past few weeks that looks inevitable...... but hey, that's why they play the games right?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on September 19, 2007, 11:56:51 AM
Its been a while.

I can definitley see Albright going 7-3 this year.  I think they still have some learning to do, but they have a solid qb, and some good playmakers.  If Asay, and Romig dont end up as first team all-league guys that will be a shame.  Romig is the MAC mold of A Reggie Bush, Brian Westbrook Type.  Asay, is just a freak.  I am not sure there is a corner in this conference that can cover him.  Lastly Kelly is just smart.  He may not light it up, but he doesnt make a ton of mistakes, and that is just as good as puttin in 400 yds every week.

I think Del-Val is a surprise. I liked their QB from last year, I am not following them too much, but I thought he was going to be a playmaker this year.


Here is something no one on this boad is used to.  7-3 COULD win the MAC this year, when did you think you would hear that?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2007, 12:30:55 PM
Dog

Not sure if I agree...

Looks like the teams are stratifying.  We may have tiers of teams like before...just different dominant teams....

I have the feeling a 9-1 or 8-2 team will win again...just not sure who that will be yet...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 21, 2007, 10:02:02 AM
gordon, what are your thoughts on this weeks game for dvc? anything in particular you will be watching or looking for from dvc?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 21, 2007, 12:23:08 PM
uPBRmeASP:

It's another huge test for the defense.  Salisbury runs the ball a lot and has been incredibly hot on offense.  The Sea Gulls had their way with CNU last week and scored 40+ the previous weeks.  They have a bunch of guys who can break big runs so the Aggies must wrap up on tackles.  But since the Aggies' defense is usually very good, this one comes down to whether the offense can get anything going.  Three keys to watch:

- Has the offense improved with the week off: The Aggies are last in the MAC in total yards per game (166) and are getting just 2.9 per play.  It doesn't matter how good the defense is.  If the Aggies can't move the ball, they won't compete for the MAC title.

- Does Isgro get any time to pass the ball: The Aggies will have a new center since the starter is lost to injury and Salisbury has very active, aggressive linebackers.  Freshman Michael Lewis played well in his debut at tackle matched up with All American Brian Robinson.

- Can the Aggies run the ball:  They won't beat Salisbury with a one dimensional attack or by asking Isgro to make a play with his arm every down.  Can Matt Cook build off the good Week 2 performance?


Segueing into promotional mode, people can get answers to these questions and more by listening to tomorrow's broadcast.

No. 25 Salisbury Sea Gulls
versus
Delaware Valley

Kickoff at 1 pm with pregame at 12:30 on www.allinbroadcasting.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 21, 2007, 12:36:48 PM
agreed the aggie offense HAS to put points on the board this week....the aggie defense to me is sounding solid but the offense has to give them a breather as well as they say "the best defense is a good offense". ball control seems to be the key to this game. whoever wins the time of possession wins the game imo.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on September 21, 2007, 09:44:45 PM
Another disappointing show by MAC team...Widener is getting embarrassed by Rowan 38-0 early in the 4th quarter! They haven't been able to move the ball on offense and have turned the ball over 3 or 4 times...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 21, 2007, 10:13:56 PM
ouch...that is a body slam by rowan 41-0 final...the is a good ol' fashioned whoopin
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 22, 2007, 12:22:01 AM
I just got back from the Rowan/WU game...

No use hiding behind the elephant in the room, so I'll do this blog style....

"Man Day Ruined"

This day was the culmination of some long time planning...

...a day off of work...
...a golf outing...
...beer
...no kids..

...followed by my alma mater playing a game I have been waiting to see for 20 some odd years...
This took much effort, and convincing to get the better half to deal with unruly children all day, and night...so after making sure I paid the price in several ways...this was in motion...

5pm
(insert foreshadowing music here)...my golf game was terrible today...no rythm, hands of lead killed my short game...and didn't get (or make myself) a break all day.

5:30pm
Going to the game after the round, my thoughts were of one thing..."please don't let us get blown out...","please don't let us get blown out..."

7pm
The first comment on the game I have is wow....
Wow means a lot here...so let me clarify...
-Wow we(Widener) are SO small...
-Wow Rowan is just gashing our defense
-Wow we are making dumb plays
-Wow the play calling is horrible

9:45 PM  "I can't believe we got blown out...."


Wow meant alot tonight...which culminated in one of the ugliest losses I have ever seen...

11:57 pm (as I am typing)

Thoughts on this and the future...

First, congrats to Rowan..they played a great game and dominated every aspect of this game...every one...
Rowan could have hung 70 on us tonight, so I respect the class of the RU coaching staff to kick field goals and sub appropriately...

Second...I wonder about the size of our kids....I hung with several ex all-americans tonight...and the consensus was disbelief at the size of some of the kids starting for Widener...sure there were the usual meat eaters, however, I wonder if some of these starters would have started on Widener teams of past....
Not many 5'6" receivers are going to pull down jump balls in the endzone...

Third play calling...I know that coach Wood has publically committed to the run...it wasn't there, and in my opinion, it's not going to be there often unless this O line gets much better...we could not run the ball at all tonight except in garbage time...
The play calling did not help...I watched in disbelief, on 3rd and 1, as WU runs a slow developing pitch, against an athletic and aggressive D crowding the line...there was zero chance of those types of plays being sucessful, in that situation....
Because we could not run...RU pinned their ears back and pressured us causing errant and intercepted passes...
Mental errors cost us dearly especially on special teams....
Looking back on this, I honestly can't find any positives...especially because Rowan looked nothing like they have in years past (and I know because I have been there and watched...)

Coach Wood has stated he will play anyone anytime. Fundamentally that attitude is good for the program, if you have players that will develop from the increased level of competition...

This team was not ready for that step....
This team is 4-5 touchdowns short (either scoring or eliminating on defense)of competing on a national level right now...
That is not to say they can't benefit from this in the long run, and this year as well.  I hope they can...
Recruiting needs to get better...I don't buy the private vs public bs...If coach Wood publically states we will play anyone any time, than they need to do what it takes to get student athletes in school that can complete at a higher level than what was on the field tonight...

Lastly, do not think that these harsh opinions take anything away from the effort our guys put out...effort was there...heart was there...they played their a**es off...
...it just wasn't enough...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 22, 2007, 01:08:38 AM
I feel for you, bman.

Widener lost a big part of its plan to run the ball when OL Fagnani was lost for the year to injury.

The good news is that the MAC's nightmarish non-conference season is almost over.  Aggressive scheduling and big holes on all teams have left all the teams but Albright battered entering conference play.

Hope comes in the morning.  Or, in this case, next Saturday when conference play starts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dr. xGSC on September 22, 2007, 01:41:57 AM
BMan,

We'll cya at another game another time. No use in my pouring salt on your wounds, though it is hard not to after all these years waiting for this game to happen. Your blog entry came from your heart and for that, well, at least you get some +karma.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 22, 2007, 09:52:05 AM
bman +k for having a great day (minus the football score) pbr knows what it takes to get a day or night w/o kids and just have a guys night out. pbr is still working off the notre dame/penn st. game....at least the effort was there. mac does have a very difficult  ooc schedule and +k to them all because at least on paper they may look bad when you see the records but these teams will be battle tested and should see large improvements week to week. pbr never understand scheduling 3 cream puffs to get ready for the league play. what does that prove? how will your team be ready when it faces adversity through falling behind or injuries? so in the long run pbr believes widener and the mac teams will be much better for it, just its tough to bear right now through injuries and losses.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 22, 2007, 03:25:52 PM
aggies up in the third over salisbury!!! come on boyz dig deep!!!


check that no longer up now salisbury has put a bunch of points on the board!!!  >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 22, 2007, 10:31:05 PM
congratulations to the FDU guys working hard for a non-conference NJAC win...big rebound today after a disapointing showing vs. TCNJ...
Looking to get a big MAC win early against abright next week (now that Juniata doesn't count anymore :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 24, 2007, 10:14:38 AM
FormerWU is feeling mighty low. 

I was with Bman on Friday night in Glassboro.  He pretty much hit the nail on the head with his comments.  What a horrible performance by the "Pride".  Rowan did look good, but they are not the Rowan team of past.

It makes you think, how did the MAC crap the bed so quickly?  Is this just a down year, or a sign of things to come?  I hope that things get straightened out sooner rather than later.

MAC games are now here, and everyone counts.  No clear cut team at this time.  The championship is there for anyone to take.  Come on WU, lets go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 24, 2007, 10:42:22 AM
DrX and Gordon

Thanks for the kind words...

Indeed the sun did come up on Saturday...and even yesterday...

looking forward to the MAC schedule...and indeed, now is not when the out of conference games count...it will be the post season that matters...

Congrats to FDU on the OOC win...nice to see.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on September 24, 2007, 01:31:24 PM
Quote from: dog on September 19, 2007, 11:56:51 AM
Its been a while.

I can definitley see Albright going 7-3 this year.  I think they still have some learning to do, but they have a solid qb, and some good playmakers.  If Asay, and Romig dont end up as first team all-league guys that will be a shame.  Romig is the MAC mold of A Reggie Bush, Brian Westbrook Type.  Asay, is just a freak.  I am not sure there is a corner in this conference that can cover him.  Lastly Kelly is just smart.  He may not light it up, but he doesnt make a ton of mistakes, and that is just as good as puttin in 400 yds every week.

I think Del-Val is a surprise. I liked their QB from last year, I am not following them too much, but I thought he was going to be a playmaker this year.


Here is something no one on this boad is used to.  7-3 COULD win the MAC this year, when did you think you would hear that?

Dog,

Would be nice.  I too am surprised even as an alum.  These games are great to see live as they bring back memories and feelings lost since the last whistle blow we all were lucky enough to be part of.  FDU this week should tell whether they are for real and can handle the big boys in the rest of the schedule.  Lyco the following week and Delval in the end should make for a fantastic finish.  I may have to "wonder" into the locker room to get into the emotional aspect and hear what the new coach has to say as he seems to have picked up the ball.  Maybe the bye week coming off of a win will be a great way to heal and get together for the next few humps in the road.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 24, 2007, 03:42:25 PM
its been a grind but the mac starts up this week pbr cant remember a time when this conference seemed so up in the air that any team has a realistic shot at winning it....gonna be a fun and bumpy ride...pbr is sure that dvc is home for once its been a long road trip for them all and gordon too!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 24, 2007, 03:52:35 PM
PBR

Big MAC weekend this week.  Good luck to all.

BTW - I freakin' love your taste in women.  Spot on.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 24, 2007, 04:17:32 PM
pbr tries to spread a  little happiness in this crazy world we live in...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 24, 2007, 05:07:52 PM
I was really suffering Friday night, although hot tubbing with MJT in Stowe, VT was an acceptible substitute.  I wanted to see the game that my Dad has been wanting to see ever since I attended the Boro.

It would have been nice to run into Bman again and meet formerwu.  Hopefully it turns into a really great rivalry, and gets moved to a w/e that isn't on my anniversary.  Maybe I can see at the Quick next year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 24, 2007, 05:18:34 PM
Hopefully WU does not institute the "no tolerance" alcohol policy...that was an unpleasant surprise....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 25, 2007, 08:08:11 AM
Quote from: JT on September 24, 2007, 05:07:52 PM
I was really suffering Friday night, although hot tubbing with MJT in Stowe, VT was an acceptible substitute.  I wanted to see the game that my Dad has been wanting to see ever since I attended the Boro.

It would have been nice to run into Bman again and meet formerwu.  Hopefully it turns into a really great rivalry, and gets moved to a w/e that isn't on my anniversary.  Maybe I can see at the Quick next year.

hey JT where did u stay up at stowe? pbr hasnt been to stowe in a long time but it always was the perfect vermont town just what you envisioned a quiet new england town being.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 25, 2007, 09:02:40 AM
Quote from: bman on September 24, 2007, 05:18:34 PM
Hopefully WU does not institute the "no tolerance" alcohol policy...that was an unpleasant surprise....

I hope that was only for night games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 25, 2007, 09:12:27 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 25, 2007, 08:08:11 AM
Quote from: JT on September 24, 2007, 05:07:52 PM
I was really suffering Friday night, although hot tubbing with MJT in Stowe, VT was an acceptible substitute.  I wanted to see the game that my Dad has been wanting to see ever since I attended the Boro.

It would have been nice to run into Bman again and meet formerwu.  Hopefully it turns into a really great rivalry, and gets moved to a w/e that isn't on my anniversary.  Maybe I can see at the Quick next year.

hey JT where did u stay up at stowe? pbr hasnt been to stowe in a long time but it always was the perfect vermont town just what you envisioned a quiet new england town being.

Gables Inn B&B.  A full breakfast with menu because they serve breakfast and lunch to the public.  It was a very nice experience.  Drove up into the mountain and walked around.  Hit the wineries and breweries, and Ben and Jerry's.  Food was awesome because most of the restaurants support the local farms.  Best meat and produce that JT has tasted in a while. 

People watching was interesting.  A Harley club from Quebec rolled in looking tough until they all sounded like Pepe Le Pew.  And the women of alternative lifestyles never look hot like in the movies.  I saw a couple where the more butch one looked like a freshly shaved Hacksaw Jim Duggan. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 26, 2007, 08:30:57 AM
JT -

The atmosphere in the Rowan parking lot friday night was like the Germans around Stalag 17 after Hogan staged a prison break.  It looked like free donut day in Glassboro.  Even McLovin would have had a tough time getting a frosty brew this past Friday.

I was told, as well as given a handout, when I pulled in that there was zero tolerence for alcohol.  ZERO.  I knew it would be a bad night for us from that point forward.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 26, 2007, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: formerwu on September 26, 2007, 08:30:57 AM
JT -

The atmosphere in the Rowan parking lot friday night was like the Germans around Stalag 17 after Hogan staged a prison break.  It looked like free donut day in Glassboro.  Even McLovin would have had a tough time getting a frosty brew this past Friday.

I was told, as well as given a handout, when I pulled in that there was zero tolerence for alcohol.  ZERO.  I knew it would be a bad night for us from that point forward.

I know they've had problems with students getting blasted before night games and causing problems.  Friday nights give them too much time to drink.  I would hope us 40 somethings can have an afternoon beverage on a Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LD2781 on September 28, 2007, 09:24:00 AM
Any predictions for this week?

Here is my 2 cents:

FDU over Albright (stout defense controls the game while the homecoming crowd provides a '12th Man')

Del Val over King's (2002 King's defense vs. 2003 DVC offense would have been awesome)

Wilkes over Leb Val (Got Offense? Don't need it)

Widener over Lyco (4 OT)

(disclaimer: absolutely no analysis went into these predictions)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on September 28, 2007, 09:44:26 AM
????
Del Val lost to Kings in 03?

Just wondering if the facts are straight.....do you maybe mean the offense from the 04/05 Championship teams vs the the Kings Championship 02 Defense???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 28, 2007, 10:36:04 AM
Ok

I'll Bite

Here are my predictions...

Albright by 14 over FDU
Del Val by 1 over Kings
Leb Val stuns Wilkes with a 3 point win
Widener over Lyco by 7(Morally bligated to make this prediction)




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2007, 12:06:18 PM
pbr is in...

albright 17 fdu 14
dvc 21  kings 17
wilkes 24  lebval 10
widener 21 lyco 7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 28, 2007, 01:46:08 PM
Albright over FDU - 28-14
Kings over Del Val - 24-7
Wilkes over Leb Val - 35-10
Widener over Lyco - 41-0 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 28, 2007, 01:46:58 PM
MAC fared a little better than I thought in the conference rankings.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 28, 2007, 06:08:28 PM
Yeah, keep in mind though that this was before the season started.  Unless a MAC team goes deep in the playoffs, I'd be surprised if they don't rank lower for 2008.

As for predictions, I predict you will all listen to...


Delaware Valley
versus
King's

Pregame at 12:30, kickoff at 1 pm on www.allinbroadcasting.com.

Alright, maybe all of you won't listen.  But maybe one or two will? :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 29, 2007, 02:08:03 PM
Del Val leads King's 14-0 at the break.  Touchdown passes to Mike Baranyiak and Jeff Sheffield for the Aggies.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 29, 2007, 03:40:22 PM
Aggies' defense bends but doesn't break in the second half and the offense adds two more scores.  Jake Sheffield finishes with 155 yards (95 receiving, 60 rushing) and Matt Cook runs for 100 in the victory.

Delaware Valley 27
King's 0

Final
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 29, 2007, 04:57:52 PM
WAHOO!!! BIG WIN FOR THE AGGIES GOOD TO GET THE FIRST ONE IN IN THE WIN COLUMN!!! WELL DONE!!!! ENJOY IT TONIGHT AND LETS FOCUS ON THE NEXT WEEK!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 29, 2007, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: formerwu on September 28, 2007, 01:46:08 PM
Albright over FDU - 28-14
Kings over Del Val - 24-7
Wilkes over Leb Val - 35-10
Widener over Lyco - 41-0 

fwu,

It is time to come clean on this week's prediction, at least as far as Lycoming is concerned.

The final score was 16-14, and had it not been for a questionable ineligible receiver downfield call that negated a 3o yard gain for Lycoming the score might have been in the Warriors favor.  I know about what might have been - but 41 - 0 ?

Widener luckily escaped the Warriors who do not seem able to catch a break in close games this year having lost three now by a total of less than ten points.

I guess is must be the fault of the facilities, the location of the campus, or recruiting as other posters have been so happy to point out previously. 

Or, perhaps, the league is finally more competitive and Lycoming's past dominance served as a goad to motivate other programs towards self-improvement and we are seeing the fruit of those efforts.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2007, 10:55:54 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 29, 2007, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: formerwu on September 28, 2007, 01:46:08 PM
Albright over FDU - 28-14
Kings over Del Val - 24-7
Wilkes over Leb Val - 35-10
Widener over Lyco - 41-0 

fwu,

It is time to come clean on this week's prediction, at least as far as Lycoming is concerned.

It's generally considered poor form to complain about someone's predictions if you aren't willing to put yourself out there and make your own.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 30, 2007, 03:14:28 AM
Pat,

Fair enough, but if you had the week I had you might have a different take on my time for making predictions.

Still - 41 - 0 is nowhere even in the same galaxy.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2007, 02:10:39 PM
Still smacks of sour grapes and 20-20 hindsight.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 30, 2007, 04:33:35 PM
Funny, from my read of this board over the past many years, I thought that was part of the genre.

Also, no mention of the hard-luck losses Lycoming has taken against Ursinus, Susquehanna and now Widener - all by margins of three.

A field goal differential means the game was so close it was very possibly decided on one play, O-D-Special teams or a penalty.

Odd that you went to the other area of the posting and not the more substantive aspect.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2007, 04:37:52 PM
Not at all. I've made that same post many times in the past eight years. Someone who doesn't have the guts to put his picks out there for criticism shouldn't have the privilege of criticizing someone else's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on September 30, 2007, 07:38:56 PM
QuoteOr, perhaps, the league is finally more competitive and Lycoming's past dominance served as a goad to motivate other programs towards self-improvement and we are seeing the fruit of those efforts.

You're implying the dominant programs are still playing at a high level. The MAC's out of conference record suggests otherwise — and what we're seeing is parity.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 30, 2007, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 29, 2007, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: formerwu on September 28, 2007, 01:46:08 PM
Albright over FDU - 28-14
Kings over Del Val - 24-7
Wilkes over Leb Val - 35-10
Widener over Lyco - 41-0 

fwu,

It is time to come clean on this week's prediction, at least as far as Lycoming is concerned.

The final score was 16-14, and had it not been for a questionable ineligible receiver downfield call that negated a 3o yard gain for Lycoming the score might have been in the Warriors favor.  I know about what might have been - but 41 - 0 ?

Widener luckily escaped the Warriors who do not seem able to catch a break in close games this year having lost three now by a total of less than ten points.

I guess is must be the fault of the facilities, the location of the campus, or recruiting as other posters have been so happy to point out previously. 

Or, perhaps, the league is finally more competitive and Lycoming's past dominance served as a goad to motivate other programs towards self-improvement and we are seeing the fruit of those efforts.

ATB

Lyco -

My prediction of WU 41 - Lyco 0 was made in jest.  If you noticed, WU lost to Rowan 41-0 just one week ago.  I thought it was funny when I wrote it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Tags on September 30, 2007, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2007, 04:37:52 PM
Not at all. I've made that same post many times in the past eight years. Someone who doesn't have the guts to put his picks out there for criticism shouldn't have the privilege of criticizing someone else's.

The Guru lays the smackdown!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftbn0.google.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AfVnz_dFKLCRwyM%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwesuperstars.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2007%2F06%2Fcena5.JPG&hash=8ba958d129b13dd017cff02d6b9c842f6a388a9f)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 30, 2007, 11:00:14 PM
FWU,

Thanks for the clarification on your post.

Not sour grapes really, but an assessment that the games are closer than most might think - the parity matter previously mentioned in another thread. 

As for the smack down, since I explained that it was lack of time that prevented me from posting anything relative to the game or the predictions I fail to see where guts has anything to do with the matter.  I have plenty of guts and brains.

However, I do reserve the right for some credit since I have managed to stimulate quite a bit of to and fro from a posting thread that, this season, has been unusually quiet.

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 30, 2007, 11:01:54 PM
Quote from: Tags on September 30, 2007, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2007, 04:37:52 PM
Not at all. I've made that same post many times in the past eight years. Someone who doesn't have the guts to put his picks out there for criticism shouldn't have the privilege of criticizing someone else's.

The Guru lays the smackdown!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftbn0.google.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AfVnz_dFKLCRwyM%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wwesuperstars.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2007%2F06%2Fcena5.JPG&hash=8ba958d129b13dd017cff02d6b9c842f6a388a9f)



And Pat is an even longer reigning champion than John Cena  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2007, 11:06:54 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 30, 2007, 11:00:14 PM
As for the smack down, since I explained that it was lack of time that prevented me from posting anything relative to the game or the predictions I fail to see where guts has anything to do with the matter.  I have plenty of guts and brains.

I understand you said you were busy this week. I don't see a Lyco prediction for any of the previous weeks either, however.

Again, sour grapes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 30, 2007, 11:21:29 PM
Okay, okay, enough, the grapes taste like crap.

The prediction was specious and I have guts!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 01, 2007, 12:27:36 AM
pg04:

And Cena even played D3 ball!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on October 01, 2007, 12:32:49 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 01, 2007, 12:27:36 AM
pg04:

And Cena even played D3 ball!

And here I thought Springfield players couldn't play on anything but Artificial turf!  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 01, 2007, 10:47:09 AM
Lyco 80

I'm glad I didn't predict the final to be WU 284-2 Like I did last year ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 01, 2007, 11:02:19 AM
the folks at lyco (like my sister) are a little tempermental about the team these days its been awhile since they had a sniff of first place and they are a little testy these days. jk lyco80 .....lord knows dvc was in the pits for a long time pbr feels your pain
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 01, 2007, 12:29:17 PM
btw a nice recap of dvc's win over kings....

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-09302007-1416058.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 01, 2007, 03:25:22 PM
PBR...missed you again at the tailgate...surprise me one of these days...I saw a very good game Saturday  with the AGGIES coming out on top....Personally I would like to see the QB have a couple more seconds to throw the ball or have it released quicker...the "O" line did a real good job with protection.  The "D" line did bend but didnt break and looked very good...they did appear a bit soft up the middle at times but again they didnt break down...good game AGGIES.

I would not want to see the "O" Coordinator wear out the QB draw....they do not need any injuries to the QB.

Only 6 games left and we will find out who the Mac Champ will be...any predictions out there???

PBR...was it a soccer marathon Saturday???  I know you are committed.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 01, 2007, 04:14:34 PM
Quote from: HANGTIME on October 01, 2007, 03:25:22 PM
PBR...missed you again at the tailgate...surprise me one of these days...I saw a very good game Saturday  with the AGGIES coming out on top....Personally I would like to see the QB have a couple more seconds to throw the ball or have it released quicker...the "O" line did a real good job with protection.  The "D" line did bend but didnt break and looked very good...they did appear a bit soft up the middle at times but again they didnt break down...good game AGGIES.

I would not want to see the "O" Coordinator wear out the QB draw....they do not need any injuries to the QB.

Only 6 games left and we will find out who the Mac Champ will be...any predictions out there???

PBR...was it a soccer marathon Saturday???  I know you are committed.



yup hangtime, was at soccer games fri. night and saturday. going to check the schedule we have an off week coming up hopefully its a home game. dvc had a very tough ooc schedule but it is starting to pay dividends and will continue to do so. it should really prepare them for a solid mac showing. Warren if your around and went to the game last weekend how bout a little recap on the wilkes/lvc game....a little OT did the lvc everyone thought step up and play wilkes tough or is wilkes continuing to struggle?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 02, 2007, 09:06:27 AM
PBR, where is Sasha and the girls in the red shirts?  FormerWU is very disappointed. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 02, 2007, 09:11:36 AM
they had been up for awhile pbr just decided to change things up pbr will be putting some other photos up in the near future for your viewing pleasure.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 02, 2007, 09:52:48 AM
I can't wait.  You rarely disappoint.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 02, 2007, 11:31:35 AM
pbr:

I wasn't at the Wilkes game -- I had a stack of papers to mark -- but those I spoke with about it (including players) say that the Colonels weren't as strong as last season. LVC essentially gave the game away through far too many mistakes and missed opportunities, especially in the last minute or so. Plus, the Dutchmen have a freshman QB who's still learning that the collegiate game is a bit different from the scholastic version. He's a work in progress and should eventually develop nicely.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 02, 2007, 12:37:12 PM
well alrighty and get ready for dvc to roll into leb valley this weekend!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on October 02, 2007, 08:20:07 PM
Messers. Thompson &  PBR - I was at the Wilkes - LVC game and the big differences in the game were - Adam Brossman & Kyle Follweiler. Wilkes could not stop Brossman and Kyle made 19 tackles & 2 INTs to consistently stop LVC. Brossman had 180 receiving yards, but the average yards per offensive play were 4.2 for Wilkes vs. 4.9 for LVC. Pretty close.
Caleb Fick is going to be a good D3 QB and was very dangerous when he broke containment ( which was often ). When the Wilkes D contained him or applied pressure he made freshman mistakes.
This game was a mirror image from weeks 1-3 for Wilkes - more offense and less defense. Wilkes gave away as many opportunities as LVC. We will have to see what Wilkes team shows up this week against FDU which defeated Willy P. (Wiily P beat WU Week 1)Wilkes is going to have to show up 100% for all games this year.
Let's Go Phillies!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 02, 2007, 08:33:07 PM
good recap grizzman!!  just confirms that the mac is wide open and going to be fun to see who wins. PBR is w/ ya...GO PHILS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 04, 2007, 09:03:32 AM
PBR - You going to the WU DVC game in Chester later this year?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 04, 2007, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: formerwu on October 04, 2007, 09:03:32 AM
PBR - You going to the WU DVC game in Chester later this year?

pbr would luv to be there as pbr works w/ a widener grad and we were talking about taking in the game but at this point pbr's wife will be away on a business trip and pbr will be playing taxi and shuttling kids in everywhich direction. if plans change pbr will be there though.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 05, 2007, 09:15:55 AM
predictions anyone?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 05, 2007, 09:22:07 AM
Albright 28 - Lyco 14
LVC 38 - DVC 31
Wilkes 14 - FDU 8
Widener 24 - Kings 7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 05, 2007, 09:31:42 AM
litebright 24   lyco 10
dvc 31   lvc 21
wilkes 17    fdu 7
widener 21  kings 10
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 05, 2007, 10:44:02 AM
Warren, Did you see I went with LVC?

Any chance that this could happen?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 05, 2007, 01:26:30 PM
fwu...lvc has always tended to give dvc fits...but pbr is hoping w/ freshmen qb and a huge game w/ wilkes last week lvc wont have much left in the tank for dvc...we all know how hard it is to get up emotionally 2 weeks in row. pbr has a sneaky suspicion dvc is going to be very tough to beat this year in the mac...their ooc schedule imho has them really battle tested for the mac this year. they are off everyones radar by going 0-3 out of the gate and are quietly going to roll thru the mac. anybody else feel the same way?  also gordon or anyone else why is dvc playing again at lvc? this is at least 2 years in a row now correct?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2007, 01:54:38 PM
Conferences often are forced to redraw their schedules when the membership changes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 05, 2007, 02:35:48 PM
PBR - DVC as well as much of the mac had some really tough ooc games to start the year.  IMHO the whole mac is battle tested.

good luck this week with those dutchmen.  have some shoefly pie for me.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 05, 2007, 02:36:13 PM
woo hoo for formerwu.  my 100th post
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 05, 2007, 02:36:38 PM
Quote from: formerwu on October 05, 2007, 10:44:02 AM
Warren, Did you see I went with LVC?

Any chance that this could happen?

Yes, it could ... but LVC can't make the mistakes they made last week.

NOTE TO PBR: One thing the Dutchmen might -- repeat, "might" -- have going for them is memory of last year's homecoming v. the Aggies.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 05, 2007, 02:45:57 PM
warren lvc every year scares the bejeebers(if thats a word) out of pbr lvc gives dvc fits all the time!!! pbr is just hoping the tank is a little empty this week w/ an very emotional game w/ wilkes last week. pbr wants to go to lvc sometime but man that is a trip and a half to get out there...plus pbr is coaching 2 soccer games this weekend
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 05, 2007, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 05, 2007, 02:45:57 PM
warren lvc every year scares the bejeebers(if thats a word) out of pbr lvc gives dvc fits all the time!!! pbr is just hoping the tank is a little empty this week w/ an very emotional game w/ wilkes last week. pbr wants to go to lvc sometime but man that is a trip and a half to get out there...plus pbr is coaching 2 soccer games this weekend

Where do you live? For what it may be worth, tomorrow is yet another homecoming v. DVC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 05, 2007, 03:01:50 PM
pbr lives in between doylestown (dvc land ) and allentown so pbr would likely make the trek out on int. 78 to lvc land(similiar initially to the route pbr takes when he hits the psu games)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 05, 2007, 03:06:53 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 05, 2007, 03:01:50 PM
pbr lives in between doylestown (dvc land ) and allentown so pbr would likely make the trek out on int. 78 to lvc land(similiar initially to the route pbr takes when he hits the psu games)

Ah, good ol' I-78 ... where truckers who flunk driving school do their practice runs.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 05, 2007, 03:10:13 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 05, 2007, 03:06:53 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 05, 2007, 03:01:50 PM
pbr lives in between doylestown (dvc land ) and allentown so pbr would likely make the trek out on int. 78 to lvc land(similiar initially to the route pbr takes when he hits the psu games)

Ah, good ol' I-78 ... where truckers who flunk driving school do their practice runs.  ;)

LOL...that and the home of Cabela's at Hamburg...man people drive from all over the country to see that...have to admit it was pretty cool the first time pbr visited the store.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 05, 2007, 04:17:10 PM
Albright 41 - Lyco 0 ;)
DVC 27 - LVC 21
Wilkes 21- FDU 20
Widener 35 - Kings 28
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 05, 2007, 08:57:33 PM
Quotealso gordon or anyone else why is dvc playing again at lvc? this is at least 2 years in a row now correct?

I'm not sure why the MAC sends teams on the road to the same opponent in back-to-back seasons.  I don't think it's the change in membership since Leb Val came to Del Val in 2004 and 2005 when there the conference was stable at 10 teams.

Speaking of which...

If you don't want to brave I-78, check out the game online...


Delaware Valley
versus
Lebanon Valley

Pregame starts at 12:30 with the kickoff at 1 pm on www.allinbroadcasting.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2007, 09:01:07 PM
Fair enough, though the oddball MAC schedule (someone played 10 games but it counted as nine), I guess it was hard to keep it symmetrical.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 05, 2007, 11:09:39 PM
Pat

Anyone who played 10 mac games only had 9 counted...WU had that scenario at least once...

If I remember correctly Wilkes was on OOC game for us (not sure why)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 06, 2007, 02:11:59 PM
aggies looking good so far in the second qtr!!!  pbr's got gordon on the airwaves

LOL...gordon nice reference to the mike shanahan freeze the kicker!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 06, 2007, 02:24:02 PM
Thanks, PBR.

Glad the broadcast is coming through.

Leb Val has 56 yards on first drive and 30 thereafter.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2007, 12:42:52 AM
Quote from: bman on October 05, 2007, 11:09:39 PM
Anyone who played 10 mac games only had 9 counted...WU had that scenario at least once...

That's what I said. :)

Someone -- as in one team -- played 10 games but only nine counted.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 07, 2007, 06:34:29 PM
Whatever the reason for this never-ending "road" schedule-it's really stupid. Having to go back to Albright is bad enough, but "at" Widner again is just horrible. However, it looks as if the Aggies have learned a lot playing that rough early season OOC schedule. Some of the young guys on offense are really stepping up and Shef is recovered and playing well. The "O" line has been excellent and I think the running game success has helped greatly in that regard. The defense continues to be tough and really killed LVC's running game with an outstanding back(Parker). With the exception of the opening kick-off (would have liked to see us make an adjustment sooner) the Dutchmen had no success moving the ball(unless you count all the questionable penalties).

So, let's keep the ball rolling this week against FDU Aggies. This offense is fun to watch when it's clicking the way it has been the past two games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 08, 2007, 08:46:59 AM
pbr just looked over the stats from the game again and gordon your right...very lopsided to say the least. the aggie O rang up some huge numbers and defense once again was stellar. good to see the passing game on track and the rushing numbers were huge. not a very happy homecoming out at lvc for them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: splik on October 08, 2007, 08:57:49 AM
wow, Hamburg got mentioned on d3football.com's message boards....they are definitely moving up in the world.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 08, 2007, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: splik on October 08, 2007, 08:57:49 AM
wow, Hamburg got mentioned on d3football.com's message boards....they are definitely moving up in the world.

We hit Cabellas every time we head out to Albright.  Can make for an expensive weekend for sure, so I try to leave the wife and kids at home as they tend to redirect my energies from the outdoors.

For those of you who dont get the full report, this one is making me feel really good as my teams got pounded every year we played them...

Football:  Albright returned a punt, a kickoff, and an interception for touchdowns in a 40-7 MAC win over Lycoming on homecoming Saturday afternoon in Shirk Stadium. The Lions, who have now won four straight games after a season opening loss at Salisbury, are 2-0 in conference play and 4-1 overall in 2007. The loss leaves Lycoming at 0-5, 0-2 this fall and still searching for head coach Frank Girardi's 250th career win. Tanner Kelly threw touchdown passes of 59 and 15 yards to Keith Allen to give Albright a 16-0 lead before Lycoming scored midway through the second quarter to make the score 16-7.  On the ensuing kickoff, Nate Romig raced through the Lycoming kick coverage 90 yards for a touchdown, restoring Albright's 16-point lead.  Three plays later Brett Gaul stepped in front of a Tim Hook pass and ran untouched down the sideline 37-yards for a Lion touchdown to push Albright's advantage to 30-7.  Early in the third quarter Will Alston returned a Warrior punt 78-yards for a touchdown to put the Lions on top 37-7, and John Whelan's second field goal of the afternoon capped the scoring late in the quarter to give the Lions the 40-7 win.  Albright's defense was solid all afternoon, holding Lycoming to 246 yards of offense, and the seven points allowed marked the second time in three games where the Lions kept an opponent out of double figures.  Allen led the offense with six receptions for 141 yards and the two scores, while Kelly finished the day 11-16 for 182 yards.  Gaul and Andrew Kibler each had six tackles to lead the defense.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 08, 2007, 11:35:58 AM
yeah...pbr wasnt going to say anything as its got to be painful up in williamsport, pa at lyco....pbr does feel for simba, lyco80, pbr's sister, et al...coach G has been a very good coach for a long time. boy have they been struggling the last several years.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 08, 2007, 02:43:14 PM
LANES...Congratulations on your victory over the Warriors...
I was there to witness the total domination on both sides of the ball by the Lions as well as special teams...A well-earned victory; however, you're mis-informed about "G's" 250th...He hit that milestone on the last game of the season in 2005 against Susquehanna....The Warriors ran the table that year after upsetting then #7 Ithaca in overtime at mid-season thus getting him #250 four games later...Looks like you have the weapons with Kelly and Romig to run the table this year...Good luck....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2007, 03:23:36 PM
Simba, it's fairly clear to me he's copying and pasting someone else's recap and not writing that himself.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 08, 2007, 03:31:56 PM
correct guru...right off albrights wehsite their game recap....someone may want to enlighten albrights writers/sid they are a little off on their info

http://www.albright.edu/athletics/news_items/football/2007/gamestories.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 08, 2007, 08:27:29 PM
pbr is just thinkin out loud here after scanning the top 25 and was wandering when dvc will start getting a few votes...they have lost to the number 10 and 12 teams and a div IAA team...pbr thinks wesley was #4 when they played them (not sure though) ....if they win their next 2 games pbr imagines a few votes coming their way...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 08, 2007, 10:14:22 PM
It may be a little while before Del Val sees votes.  Aside from being under .500, the following works against them...

- The MAC's non-conference record was abysmal so its teams aren't likely to be on many voters' radar.

- The teams Del Val beat are a combined 1-9.  If they beat FDU this week (and that's not a given), that's unlikely to raise the Aggies national profile much

-  Del Val lost to Iona who lost to Western Connecticut (4-2) who also isn't getting votes.

- There are two MAC teams ahead of Del Val in terms of overall record -- Albright (4-1) and Widener (3-2).  Widener's conference wins aren't any better than Del Val's, but they also have the win over NC Wes.

If any MAC team gets votes soon, it'll probably be Albright.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 09, 2007, 01:14:06 AM


Simba, Not my win as my days are done, but nice to see the school is heading north rather than south this year in light of the coaching.  I always had a great time playing them as they were Big and Bad, but clean players. My last year their also marked a coaches departure so I realize the gap left and it is nice to see it filled and no steps lost.   As far as the SID produced email I receive daily on Brights sports recaps, I do not get a chance to compare to any other "recap", and I have not felt the need to "verify" it until now I guess. I guess the report is more like gossip than scorebox.  I was cutting and pasting for the group and in no way was trying to Recap myself as thats not my line of work. Sorry for the confusion as there others here that may have been offended : ) Maybe there is a better place to get the full monty, but that is the fastest way I get the news if I dont head out to a game.  I always was curious why Sunday papers never had  many MAC scores in the columns, as they used to.  As for G, he most certainly deserved his due long ago.  I was heading to Williamsport until last minute.  Does his son still coach for him as he did in the late 80's? (was a back there as I remember from MY programs)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 09, 2007, 07:29:14 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 08, 2007, 10:14:22 PM
It may be a little while before Del Val sees votes.  Aside from being under .500, the following works against them...

- The MAC's non-conference record was abysmal so its teams aren't likely to be on many voters' radar.

- The teams Del Val beat are a combined 1-9.  If they beat FDU this week (and that's not a given), that's unlikely to raise the Aggies national profile much

-  Del Val lost to Iona who lost to Western Connecticut (4-2) who also isn't getting votes.

- There are two MAC teams ahead of Del Val in terms of overall record -- Albright (4-1) and Widener (3-2).  Widener's conference wins aren't any better than Del Val's, but they also have the win over NC Wes.

If any MAC team gets votes soon, it'll probably be Albright.


thank you gordon for looking the records et al up...pbr was too tired last night...actually pbr is surprised 'bright hasnt gotten a few votes yet but pbr agrees it will be a little time yet before dvc receives any kind of luv from the voters...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 09, 2007, 07:40:01 PM
Ryan Tipps has a very nice feature on King's linebacker Tore Alaimo (http://www.d3football.com/aroundtheregion/midatlantic/2007/Strength+of+spirit).  Be sure to check it out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jeff Feiler on October 10, 2007, 10:07:22 PM
Lanes, Simba et al,

My apologies for the typo on Coach Girardi's victory total in the recap Lanes provided earlier in the week.  It was not meant in any way to slight his accomplishments.  Clearly I missed that in proofing the recaps Monday morning.

Simba, for what it's worth, I thought your defense played very well.  The offense is obvioulsy young at the skill positions, but there is talent there as well.  While this season could continue to be a struggle the rest of the way, I think your club will be right back in the thick of things in a few years.

Jeff Feiler
Albright SID
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 10, 2007, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: Jeff Feiler on October 10, 2007, 10:07:22 PM
Lanes, Simba et al,

My apologies for the typo on Coach Girardi's victory total in the recap Lanes provided earlier in the week.  It was not meant in any way to slight his accomplishments.  Clearly I missed that in proofing the recaps Monday morning.

Simba, for what it's worth, I thought your defense played very well.  The offense is obvioulsy young at the skill positions, but there is talent there as well.  While this season could continue to be a struggle the rest of the way, I think your club will be right back in the thick of things in a few years.

Jeff Feiler
Albright SID

That is a real man there gentleman....+K
Jeff
Thanks for stepping up, even when not asked to...
good luck the rest of the season
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 10, 2007, 10:38:19 PM
Quote from: Jeff Feiler on October 10, 2007, 10:07:22 PM
Lanes, Simba et al,

My apologies for the typo on Coach Girardi's victory total in the recap Lanes provided earlier in the week.  It was not meant in any way to slight his accomplishments.  Clearly I missed that in proofing the recaps Monday morning.

Simba, for what it's worth, I thought your defense played very well.  The offense is obvioulsy young at the skill positions, but there is talent there as well.  While this season could continue to be a struggle the rest of the way, I think your club will be right back in the thick of things in a few years.

Jeff Feiler
Albright SID

well stated jeff  +k for coming on board and saying that when not even asked. good luck to albright! (except when playing dvc...)  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 12, 2007, 05:55:14 PM
Quote from: Jeff Feiler on October 10, 2007, 10:07:22 PM
Lanes, Simba et al,

My apologies for the typo on Coach Girardi's victory total in the recap Lanes provided earlier in the week.  It was not meant in any way to slight his accomplishments.  Clearly I missed that in proofing the recaps Monday morning.

Simba, for what it's worth, I thought your defense played very well.  The offense is obvioulsy young at the skill positions, but there is talent there as well.  While this season could continue to be a struggle the rest of the way, I think your club will be right back in the thick of things in a few years.

Jeff Feiler
Albright SID

Jeff,

My hat is off to you also for your integrity and, I concur, with your assessment about where Lycoming is in their player development.

My read on the box score was that Lycoming played well only defense, poor on offense, and abysmally on special teams, and that was all she wrote.

It would be refreshing to see Albright take the MAC and make me smile since I am a devout Methodist and the school is named for Jacob Albright, leading Methodist figure in the early days of our nation.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 12, 2007, 06:30:59 PM
Might it not be too early to crown Albright the MAC champ? It's not as if they have played any of the tough teams in the conference yet...I think we'll have a better handle on their level of improvement after they play Wilkes, Widener and DVC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 13, 2007, 09:24:02 AM
I don't think Lyco80 was crowing Albright, only expressing his hope that they win the title if his Warriors don't.

For those who are longing for Doylestown but can't get back for Homecoming, let us bring you a piece of the day's events...

Delaware Valley
versus
FDU-Florham

Pregame at 12:30 with kickoff at 1 pm on www.allinbroadcasting.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 13, 2007, 06:09:05 PM
Gordo,

Correctamundo - I have no idea who is going to win the MAC but just feel it would be refreshing to see someone new.

You can be my publicist anytime!

And how about those Warriors?  Beating Wilkes is a good sign - not necessarily the whole enchilada but after so many close losses it is sweet to win one for a change.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 13, 2007, 08:05:45 PM
Congrats to Lyco, that's an awesome win. Looks like next week's game should be competitive...but then again, Gordon didn't think the Aggies would roll over FDU this week either...either way, playing at home is always preferable to going to Lyco for a game.

As for fresh blood, I'd say DVC is still relatively fresh as they were the periennial door mat of the conference for so many years, and they've only won 2 conference titles...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 13, 2007, 10:08:58 PM
dvc marching on!! pbr couldnt make it today but sounds and looks like this team is coming together. we will know shortly as they head into the meat of the schedule...pbr is still stunned that lyco shocked wilkes...the mac is just crazy this year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 16, 2007, 12:11:15 PM
a good article on dvc qb isgro.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-10142007-1423368.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chicks Dig the Long Ball on October 16, 2007, 05:03:47 PM
Its just about that time....Last four weeks of the season are turning out to be the biggest....After an abismal start to the season, this is what the MAC is all about...Hopefully, when all is said and done though the team that wins the league crown will be ready to go in the playoffs and not banged up/revert to their awful out-of-conference ways....I hope everyone is like me and are on the edge of their seats to see how the dust settles at the close of week 10...

BTW we need some more posters in this forum....I signed on early this morning and the MAC was at the bottom of East Region Football...How 'bout some trash talking boys
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 16, 2007, 09:03:04 PM
My fellow d3.com posters...This is for all football fans at every level...We need some grass roots help here to change the minds of the status quo elite to "right a wrong" by signing an on-line petition...If you know the story great...If not, the book has now been published...The movie script has been finalized...A Director is on-board and a Studio will be named very soon...Another Seabiscuit perhaps?...You heard it here first...Go to espn.com's page 2, scroll down to Tony Latone to click on the link to sign the petition....Also pick up a copy of the book...If you played the game, are a real fan or both, you won't be able to put it down until you complete it!...Simba

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/index
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 18, 2007, 02:09:45 AM
PBR....I finally got to the DVC HOmecoming game and also the FDU game....It certainly looks like they are firing on all 8 cylinders....Everything was working...passing, running, and special teams somewhat...J Foreman is tearing it up along with Cook out of the backfield...J Sheffield still looks a bit tentative but only natural after coming back from an injury...Isgro is on fire and as an Aggie fan I hope it continues....Upcoming Lyco,Wilkes,Widener and Albright will tell the final chapter....GO AGGIES!!!

Cannot make the game this week...Jr is HS coaching....but will be at Widener on that Friday night....Hope to see you before end of the season...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 18, 2007, 04:34:58 AM
PBR and Hangtime, the offense indeed, has been impressive the last three weeks. Most impressive has been the much maligned O-line. They have really been playing well of late. Entering the most difficult part of the schedule this is very encouraging. It will be interesting to see how DVC does as some of the final scores in the MAC over the weekend were a bit surprising as far as victory margin in light of the fact that DVC rolled on LVC and Kings...looking forward to seeing the Aggies bring it against Lyco on Saturday!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 18, 2007, 07:29:59 AM
they certainly have seemed to turn the corner and are looking very strong. a lyco team fresh off knocking over wilkes rolls into town this week. pbr's sister a lyco grad is going to the game pbr may be there as a soccer tourney will be consuming most of pbr's time this weekend. pbr is very encouraged the last several weeks the team as a whole is playing well and confident. the tough early ooc is paying dividends.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 19, 2007, 10:47:06 AM
Pat - Had a question regarding the strength of schedule that was recently posted. Wideners regional record was posted at three and two, does this mean that wesley has been moved to the east? Or should WU regional record be 3-1?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2007, 01:22:48 PM
There are three criteria under which a game can be considered regional.  One of them is 200 mile or less distance between the schools.  That's what made Wes-Widener regional.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: trkdog on October 19, 2007, 07:35:37 PM
wilks suspended 25 players what gives ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2007, 07:49:53 PM
We'd heard this but didn't have any confirmation. If you read into my Daily Dose post you might be able to read that into it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 19, 2007, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: trkdog on October 19, 2007, 07:35:37 PM
wilks suspended 25 players what gives ???

ouch if true.....u tell us what are u hearing?  btw good luck to the aggies tomorrow the real season starts tomorrow and its time to bring it home strong the mac is yours for the taking!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 19, 2007, 08:00:28 PM
this is what pbr could find on it...starting qb and others suspended for the albright game and pbr was really hoping wilkes would knock off albright...

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18934740&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=460522&rfi=6


***an update interesting fdu florham vs. widener 3-3 midway thru the second qtr... interesting thought widener would run away w/ this one...if its this way thru the 3rd qtr. look out
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2007, 09:17:59 PM
I was updating the Widener/FDU-Florham score from work and, unfortunately, TEAMLINE won't let me listen at home so we'll be in suspense until one of the schools posts a final. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 19, 2007, 09:24:04 PM
gordonmann

Heiland had a good game week... He is deceptively fast isn't he?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2007, 09:29:12 PM
Ha.  Indeed. :)

Widener leading 23-3 with 9 minutes left by the way.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on October 20, 2007, 09:13:48 AM
pbr & gman,

I wouldn't write off Wilkes yet. They have a great defense and are playing on their notorious home field which should be extra soupy after last night's rain. This should benefit WU.

Go Colonels..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 20, 2007, 09:18:42 AM
Grizzman:

I didn't write Wilkes off.  In fact, I originally predicted them to win the conference.  But if they don't win today, that prediction doesn't mean a whole lot.  One loss didn't eliminate the Colonels who still control their own destiny but a second one in conference might.

As for the team that beat Wilkes...

Delaware Valley
versus
Lycoming

Can the Aggies keep pace with Widener going into the Keystone Cup game?  Will Coach Girardi pass Tom Osbourne on the all-time coaching victories list?

Tune in at 1:00 pm (12:30 pregame) at www.allinbroadcasting.com to find out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 20, 2007, 10:59:34 AM
pbr is not writing them off yet grizz....but it is going to take a HUGE effort to get past 'bright today. the weather will help wilkes as their oline will need to help control the ball and play solid defense and special teams to win.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 20, 2007, 05:25:42 PM
whoa well done dvc!!! 31-0 over lyco!!! keep it rolling boys the mac championship is there if you want it!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on October 20, 2007, 09:55:05 PM
Finished my post game cigar & 2 Buds, while listening to Bob Pantano's Saturday Night Dance Party (98.1 FM from Philly) and the 4 INTs & 2 fumbles are still in the box score. Couldn't overcome them & Albright's passing game.

Kelly & Asay are a tough combo and we couldn't stop Asay with single coverage.

Wilkes showed heart by scoring 12 in Q4 after being down 35 -13. Hopefully we can play spoiler with Kings ( Mayor's Cup), DVC, & Widener remaining on the schedule. All are going to be challenging.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 21, 2007, 12:21:20 AM
WTG AGGIES!!! This Lyco team is much better than their record shows. In particular, their defense is tough! You would think that they must have someone who can snap the ball and perhaps a punter as well...however, that being said, the Aggies took care of business today. The O line wasn't quite as effective as they have been, but then again, this was no FDU defense they were playing either. Isgro was really impressive given he was under pressure all day long. Aggies "D" was awesome! Shutting out anybody is an accomplishment, but doing it to Lyco was impressive.

Interesting that Albright didn't beat a depleted Wilkes team by a wider margin...and how will a team whose captain turned in 25 of his teammates for drinking against coach's instructions, recover and play together as a cohesive unit??? Seems to me the coach was essentially throwing away the season by taking such extreme action. You would think there would be a better punishment that didn't punish the entire team for the action of a smaller group.

Lastly, Widener didn't exactly romp against a dreadful FDU team...

Things in the MAC are sure getting interesting now!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2007, 01:23:51 AM
If the Wilkes situation came down to enforcing team rules or making exceptions to try and save the season, I applaud them for standing on principal.  Coach Sheptock is a very classy guy so I'd expect nothing less, even as painful a decision as that might've been.

Albright was up 35-13 in the fourth before Wilkes closed the gap late.  I'm impressed the Lions got 35 on Wilkes.  Widener won by 20 in the rain.  Maybe it's a different score in different field conditions, but 20 points is still a comfortable margin.

Relative to the other teams, Del Val's point differential -- now 148-27 in conference -- is very impressive.  We'll learn very quickly how well that comparison stands up.

Should be a fun final three weeks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hit1sticks on October 21, 2007, 01:26:29 AM
i was able to attend the wilkes albright game this weekend, and believed that albright won this game by much more then what the score showed. albright wasnt as aggressive in the 4th as what they were in the earlier periods. earlier in the game they were able to score from anywhere on the field that was neccasary and in the fourth they played much more of a conservative game. only wish that wilkes had a full squad to answer any questions on how legit this albright team is...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 21, 2007, 07:53:19 AM
Gordon, I agree that the true test lies ahead for DelVal. My purpose was to put the Aggies margin of victory in perspective and get a gauge for the outcome of the final 3 games. It looks like they have the ability to continue their dominence, "if" they bring their "A"(ggies) game.

Hit, I certainly hope that Albright "could score at will" they were playing second stringers.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hit1sticks on October 21, 2007, 09:14:04 AM
rama totally agree with you. I was just wondering, anyone from wilkes on here, out of the 26 players that were suspended, how many of them were starters? thanks for any info.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on October 21, 2007, 10:16:28 AM
between 5-7 were starters or had significant playing time.

I disagree with hit's analysis. Two of Albright's TDs were long bombs, one of which was a hail mary throw (due to blitz pressure) that the D back had an equal chance at. One TD was an interception and the other turnovers gave Albright short fields. 12 yards rushing is not a dominating performance. Albright played conservatively because Wilkes was running the ball down their throat until the 2nd fumble in late Q3 halted our momentum.

I will say that this years Albright D is much tougher than previous years.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 21, 2007, 11:11:28 AM
Hopefully the Wilkes players who didn't get suspended will make life miserable for the suspended players for a while.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 21, 2007, 01:06:48 PM
here's some observation from DVC vs Lyco game.
   DVC QB is the real deal....big time arm, made some throws into the wind that amazed alot of us watching.
    DVC spread O confused and befuddled the secondary and linebacking core of lyco.  Lyco never really learned from its mistakes....3rd and 5, or 6 yards, lyco left their base D on the field against 4 and 5 wr's all day. (and they converted alot of them)
    Lyco O..first quarter, 3 and 1 to go, on your 25 yardline and you throw a lateral pass to a WR  and lose 6 yards.  just move the chains forward.
    Lycoming players held their on, but scemes and execution were poor.
    What's up with DVC going for 2 already up 28 points, not classy, game was over at that point.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 21, 2007, 08:32:58 PM
Personally I can't get over how terrible Lyco has been this year.  I had the opp to see them play, and I was shocked.  They dont have one asset that a Lyco team usually has.  I do feel, if they stick together, they could be a force again in a year or two. 
I watched DVC,s QB last year, hes a stud.

Right now the story has to be the Bright.  6 in a row is big.  Obviously the Wilkes game should be questioned. But, 6 in a row is huge, and the O keps getting better.  I think Kelly is great extremely smart. Romig is awesome.  The D I just cant get over, but lets talk about Asay for a second.  I am placing my unofficial vote for MAC Offensive MVP this year.  Leads the MAC with one less gaem.  There is not one player in the league that can cover this kid.
The next three weeks will be fun.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 22, 2007, 09:10:34 AM
Way to go WU on notching the win last week with DVC on the horizon.  Big game this Friday night.  I'll be there to cheer on the "Pride".

I read in the paper last week, that Woodie benched a bunch of starters.  Any word on who is seeing less playing time?

BTW - The Philly Inquirer does a good job on the local college scene in their Thursday issue.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 22, 2007, 02:39:21 PM
predictions for the DVC-Widener game? i think dvc pulls off a late win 24-21. also does the winner of the MAC get a automatic birth in the playoffs this year?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2007, 02:39:56 PM
Yes, the MAC still has an automatic bid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 22, 2007, 02:43:28 PM
ohh well then that makes these last 3 games very interesting. when was the last time albright won the mac?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 22, 2007, 02:59:19 PM
It shared a MAC title with Lycoming in 1997.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 22, 2007, 05:00:13 PM
I'm afraid I don't agree with dog's Lyco observations. This is a typical Lyco defensive unit. They are aggressive and hard hitting, as Lyco has always been. If they had anyone who could snap the ball for the kickers and a punter, they would certainly be more competitive.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 22, 2007, 08:12:12 PM
Rama,
You may be right, but I had the chance to see them play, and I was not impressed. Usually a Lyco d is impressive.  Wilkes and Lyco always play big D.  When I think Lyco I think nasty D, pound it down your throat offense. I did only see them once this year, but I didnt think they were close to as impressive as they have been in the past. 
They do have some talent, but I just didnt think they had that Lyco mentality to them.

As for DVC Widener, I think I like Widener this week.  I like both QB's I think Isgro is really good, I think Campbell is much more confident, it will be exciting no matter what.  Wideners biggest obstacle will be staying together, as it always is.  They usually have a lot of problems around this time of the year, where DVC has been picking it up at this time of the year.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 22, 2007, 08:47:48 PM
the Aggies have gotten hot finally and the match up this week should be a classic. is it a correct assumption that both the aggies and widener can beat albright? i havent seen them play at all, meaning albright, so im not sure what they have. anyone got info about them?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 22, 2007, 09:14:25 PM
DVCFAN
Its not safe to say that Albright will be a W.  They are beatable, because they are young, but they have something Albright hasnt had since 2001 a defense.  The D has been playing solid, and the O has a ton of weapons.  Their run game is hurting, but they are getting better as a whole each week.  Kelly has an arsenal to play with. 
This new coach has them rolling, he will obviously be up for MAC COY, and I think they will be making it interesting down the stretch, dont be surprised if you see them floating at the top in a few weeks still.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 23, 2007, 07:42:49 AM
pbr checkin in from a short vaca up on nantucket to say ....GO DVC!!!!  chester will be set on fire friday night by dvc!!! errr check that chester is on fire half the time anyway...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on October 23, 2007, 08:54:38 AM
Dog and Ram,
  I think the major difference in Lyco is: on Defense there alot younger than normal, in fact they have played 4 different freshman at corner opposite Vreeland Wood so far, along with a freshman SS.  Freshman playing means growing pains. D is still playing well.

  The offense has been horrible!  Simply horrible.

  I don't know the overall number but more than 20 freshman have started this year at some point.  That's unheard of at Lyco.  The coaches knew this would at best a 5-5 team and I think gave away wins to gain some experience for the younger kids which doesn't always make fans happy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 23, 2007, 09:03:21 AM
well also not having a winning year in what 5 years or there abouts also tends to not make fans happy...especially when lyco was as successful as they were for so long.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on October 23, 2007, 11:43:46 AM
Quote from: dog on October 22, 2007, 09:14:25 PM
DVCFAN
Its not safe to say that Albright will be a W.  They are beatable, because they are young, but they have something Albright hasnt had since 2001 a defense.  The D has been playing solid, and the O has a ton of weapons.  Their run game is hurting, but they are getting better as a whole each week.  Kelly has an arsenal to play with. 
This new coach has them rolling, he will obviously be up for MAC COY, and I think they will be making it interesting down the stretch, dont be surprised if you see them floating at the top in a few weeks still.


DVCFAN you are correct ..... They have an aggressive but small defense......Ball hawking ..... Noone is a star , they have 4 players all with 40 or more tackles.... They are definitely not a automatic W but are definitely beatable...
What a difference a good coach makes.... He runs that team very well unlike the previous coach who let the inmates run the asylum.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 23, 2007, 12:31:45 PM
I think that it is so that both DVC and WU can and should beat Albright...however, DVC must take care of business Friday night. I'm confident they are a better team than Widener, whom I saw play Rowan a few weeks back. But, we all know that the "better" team doesn't always win (one word: Susquhanna) so the Aggies better bring it and limit some of those horrible penalties they have been taking the last two weeks. All in all it will be nice to play a competitive game for a change.

jb, I didn't realize that Lyco was that young, and it certainly does explain a lot. I still stick to my original observation that the defense is still your typical hard-hitting Lyco mentality. I think the talent isn't where it usually is, but being young would explain a lot. As for their other problems, while the offense isn't impressive, they are killing themselves with horrible special team play. Putting the defense in a short field situation over and over certainly wears them down mentally and physically and forces you to play catch-up offensively. They could make the games closer with better punting and snapping.

Dog, your wishful thinking is a bit off as I don't think the Aggies will lose this weekend, but since they are dangerous I can see why you would be hoping they lose before Albright has to play them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 23, 2007, 12:38:31 PM
dvc first off has to win at wu friday night which is no easy feat. before albright there is a team from up in north central, pa that beat dvc last year that dvc has to deal with then albright....wilkes is still not a pushover and people all seem to be focusing on wiedner and albright with no mention of wilkes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 23, 2007, 12:49:57 PM
PB you are correct, all three of the remaining games are going to be a challenge, and of course Wilkes is still a very good team. It will be interesting to see how they come together after the suspensions, which I think will be hard. How do you get over the fact that your captain ratted you out to the coach? But, as I stated previously, if the Aggies don't take care of business Friday night, it doesn't matter who's up next on the schedule. One more Wilkes note, it's certainly preferable to play them on home turf instead of at their place!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 24, 2007, 02:05:16 PM
its is suppose to rain on friday for the game. if it rains who would have a advantage if either would? dvc runs a lot so would it hurt them more?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 24, 2007, 04:25:49 PM
NCAA Regional Rankings are out....

1.  Alfred  7-0  7-0
2.  Curry  8-0  8-0
3.  Rensselaer  6-0  6-0
4.  St. John Fisher  7-1  7-1
5.  The College of New Jersey  6-1  6-1
6.  Albright  6-1  6-1
7.  Cortland State  5-1  6-1
8.  Union (New York)  4-2  4-2
9.  Hobart  5-2  5-2
10.  Delaware Valley  4-2  4-3
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 24, 2007, 05:55:24 PM
Nice to see the Aggies have garnered some respect as per the rankings...as far as the rain affecting DVC's game I don't see it as a problem. Earlier in the year the passing game wasn't very sharp, but Isgro has really been outstanding over the past 4 games (earning MAC awards two of the last three weeks). He's had some young receivers really step up(Smith)and Joel has made some outstanding catches showing his athleticism. Mike's got a big arm and has made some really nice throws...if anything, I think DVC would be less affected by the rain...

GO AGGIES!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 24, 2007, 07:00:42 PM
In any case, this weekends DVC WU game will be physical and will wear on both teams. Pioneers always played hard back in the day, both ways, etc, so that may soften either up for Bright following the next two weeks with both teams.  Looks like this guy has a trip to Reading coming up in the last week, Better get my Cabelas card warmed up. I may have to take a few cheesesteaks and Black N Tans in, and go back on tour of 10th street. Maybe we will see if Cinderellas shoe fits as it is starting to appear.  If anyone cares to join in, I will be the slightly overweight guy with a A painted on my hairy ass running on the feild in the middle of the game.  It will be worth the technical  no doubt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 24, 2007, 08:19:54 PM
friday night lights for dvc vs. wu!!!  lets go dvc!!! gordon shall thee be voicing the play by play ovr' the al gore invention a.k.a internet? pbr will be in transit and most likely wont be able to take in the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 24, 2007, 08:59:51 PM
OK, I'll bite -

Anyone have any information on the "incident" up at Wilkes? ???
Football scoop.com is reporting that a Wilkes asst. (I won't mention his name here) was stabbed outside of their practice facility...
I wonder if anyone up their has any info, but there aren't usually a lot of Wilkes posters here....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 24, 2007, 09:10:27 PM
looks like someone broke into his car and he tried to stop it and the wanker stabbed him....albeit he sounds ok and not too serious...

http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/news.cfm?dept_id=455154&newsid=18905571
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 24, 2007, 10:15:57 PM
Ha.  Verily, I do hope to voice said broadcast over said spawn of Al Gore.  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 24, 2007, 11:03:47 PM
 I may have to listen to that game Gordon!!! That is if the weather keeps me away from War Memorial in D'town. You know the place Gordon. Just as much on the line in the area High School games this week here in PA.

I like Del Val this week. I think their team speed  on D will wear down Wideners line and Del Val will get pressure on Campbell and stop the running game. I also think that Del Val could do some damage running the ball. And with the weather looking iffy this weekend the rgound game may be the difference. The night that Wesley played Widener it rained lightly but I don't think it effected the footing that much.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Hustle on October 24, 2007, 11:18:49 PM
I thought about putting this over in the Centennial thread, but might be more meaningful to folks over here.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-lvdigest.6103911oct23,0,3074568.story (http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-lvdigest.6103911oct23,0,3074568.story)

Moravian's track coach, Doug Pollard, died suddenly on Monday. If you guys ever paid attention to track, you know he built one hell of a program.

And he did have a connection to football, as he was the offensive line coach during my senior year in '96.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on October 25, 2007, 07:25:13 AM
I think Wilkes will put the suspensions behind them, the captain of the team as well as other key defensive and offensive players are well respected and will continue to demonstrate leadership on the field and off. We will see this week vs Kings.

The stabbing incident was caused by a homeless person who was breaking into the assistant's car and was confronted by the coach. He suprised the coach and stabbed him with a screwdriver. The coach is doing well , but has had to deal with some subsequent infections. By the way, the attacker had many, many previous B&E and other arrests. Hopefully he will be put away for a long time for this one.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 25, 2007, 12:34:49 PM
My take on WU DVC is that if DVC is as fast as been described on the board, than WU may have some problems, as they could not handle the speed from Wesley and Rowan. 

If DVC is not as fast as predicted, than DVC will have a tough time in Chester.  As for Albright, I went to reading a few years ago to watch WU take down an undefeated Albright team...while they are having a good season, I want to see what they do November 3rd and 10th before I believe....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCBackin07 on October 25, 2007, 06:14:25 PM
I have seen both Widener and DV play 2 games this year. DV has a much better O and a better D. DV will win handley. This game will be over by half-time. Mark my words. All the DV fans know it and the Widener people will SOON know it tomorrow. Albright will be next in line for defeat.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 25, 2007, 08:16:49 PM
pbr is w/ ya 07 but lets not put the cart in front of the horse...first beat widener....then WILKES  then worry about albright...take them 1 at a time do not forget about wilkes they are still a force to be reckoned
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 26, 2007, 11:44:02 AM
As if you didn't already know (or maybe if you forgot)....

Delaware Valley travels to Widener this evening for a game under the Friday night Chester lights.  There's a ton on the line -- the Keystone Cup, first place in the MAC (if only until Saturday) and school Pride...er, pride.

If you can't make it out, tune us in


Delaware Valley
versus
Widener

Kickoff at 7 pm on www.allinbroadcasting.com.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 26, 2007, 12:28:52 PM
Back in 07 -
DVC is a good football team and playing very well right now. However, I think that you are underestimating the Pride. WU is also a good team that has also played against some tough competition this season. Other than the Rowan game their D has played everyone well. They are first in the MAC in forcing turn overs and are playing the run and pass very well.

B - man
the speed does not concern me, as much as Isgro's playmaking ability does. N.C. Weslyan was the fastest team WU has seen all season and the D handled them very well. They aslo played Wesley well in the first half until they lost their big Nose to a injury. He did not really play against Rowan and the difference in the run D was huge.  The coaches have made some player changes through the year and the Pride has continued to improve.

DVC is a good team,  it should be a very physical well played football game. I feel the winner will win the conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 26, 2007, 02:32:52 PM
LETS GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 26, 2007, 10:54:04 PM
does this loss basically eliminate the aggies from playoff contention or if albright wins tomorrow is that the elimination game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 26, 2007, 11:31:45 PM
Del Val needs help.  In addition to winning out, they need...

a) Widener to lose to both Albright and Wilkes or maybe

b) Widener to lose to Albright but win the rest of their games to force a three-way tie.  I don't know who wins the title in that case.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 27, 2007, 11:11:16 AM
what if albright wins today to move to 7-1 5-0 MAC? would that knock dvc out?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2007, 12:22:00 PM
No.  Del Val still has to play Albright so set the Lions aside for the moment.

The team that's the biggest problem for the Aggies' MAC title hopes is Widener.  Because of the Pride's head-to-head win, the Aggies need to either finish cleanly in front of Widener (meaning the Pride lose to Albright and Wilkes) or finish in a three-way tie with a team that has beaten Widener (i.e. Albright).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 27, 2007, 10:49:00 PM
Thanks everyone for clarifying the situation.  Friday night must have been a rough game.  Albright sure has a tough week ahead of them as I am sure they know.  Will sure be interesting to see how the coaches prepare them for this apparent shot at the conference and gateway to the playoffs on the road. How was the WU game from those of you who made it?

Lanes
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 28, 2007, 12:18:34 PM
DVCBACKIN07  ...I marked your words...hey nice call (and grammer).

See ya in 08 (I guess) for post #2...:)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 28, 2007, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: bman on October 28, 2007, 12:18:34 PM
DVCBACKIN07  ...I marked your words...hey nice call (and grammer).

See ya in 08 (I guess) for post #2...:)

It's always cute when one person pokes fun of another in terms of grammar and they infact spell the word grammar wrong in the process.  Never gets old
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 28, 2007, 12:28:50 PM
booby

Touche...
Try typing with a 4 yr old in your lap, a 1 yr old on your leg...but don't try to match wits with me son...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on October 28, 2007, 12:48:30 PM
Ha well I don't venture to the MAC boards often so I don't know if you are a "made" man of sorts and not one to match wits with in these here parts.  I just call them as I see them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 28, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
booby -
I will back B-man on numerous fronts. First and for most I also know how hard it is to type with the little ones around. Secondly, I do not think he was poking at the grammar as much as DVC 07 showing up all of the sudden and handing DVC the championship. As we all know it is bad manners to only show up and post when your team is winning and do so by ripping your opponent.

Lanes -
Great game for both D's. The Isgro kid is tough. He was running from pressure all night. He is going to be special. WU's D is really playing well. It should be a good game this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 28, 2007, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 28, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
booby -

Lanes -
Great game for both D's. The Isgro kid is tough. He was running from pressure all night. He is going to be special. WU's D is really playing well. It should be a good game this week.

Whats the line this week? ; )  Yeah, Isgro is over 3k career already as a Soph, and will be around for 2 more. Tanner Kelly has 2100 so far this season along with 20 td.  Both of these teams have a great 2 years ahead of them as these guys dont come along everyday.  I had a chance to block for Keith Cadden from Lyco when he was a freshman starter at Bright before he transferred, and it was nice to have a player like that on the offense.  Any other input on this weeks games as it has gotten quiet in here as of late with teams droppin, hope Im not next!
Title: Hey bman
Post by: DVCBackin07 on October 29, 2007, 07:46:13 AM
Guy stole my thunder,,,ripping me for 'grammer' and you can't even spell (you also didn't cite what the poor 'grammer' was. Then you rip the guy who points it out and use excuses about kids on your lap. What a wuss. Funny, you didn't spell any of the other words wrong. I guess they bumped your hand upwards from the 'a' key to the 'e' while you were typing. HA!!
The 'matching wits' phrase in comical. Must be the Harvard grad in you. I am sure that guy is shaking in his boots.

WUDLine - I guess you wrote the book on internet etiquette? Bad manners to post initially when your team is winning? Where did you pull that one from? Have to start somewhere, right? Try again

We will win the next 2. Be nice to see Albright come in and ruin your little party and then go on the road and get spanked by Wilkes. 3 way tie looking better and better!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 29, 2007, 08:50:01 AM
Back in 07 -
I thiink you missed the key part of my post. It is true that everyone must start posting at some time, and most do start when their team is successful. However, as I stated you did so by ripping WU and talking about how bad they were going to get beaten. DVC has a good young team and I am sure they will be good in the coming years. However, they are losing alot on D and you never can tell what will happen in the offseason. You predictted a beating in Chester that would cause the game to be out of reach by halftime, not really close with that one. Albright may or may not win this week, at leats WU still controls their own destiny.

Lanes -
The WU D is good real good. It looks like the Albright O is also real good. Should be a great match up. I hear that #2 was hurt in the LVC game, Is this Ture? I wouls set the line at Albright -4
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 29, 2007, 10:30:00 AM
FormerWu was at the game this past Friday sitting under an umbrella.  Here are my observations:

As bad as the weather was, both teams looked very good.  A good number of fumbles due to the wet ball.  If WU hadn't lost the ball so many times in the second half, the score would not have been close.  WU dominated on both sides of the ball in the second half.  First half was played evenly.

DVC's big play came on a 7 yard out that was misplayed by the corner.  He missed the tackle and the receiver took it up the sideline to set up the first FG.  The other big DVC play was made by Isgro who caught the D napping with a great pump fake.  There was no DB's within 20 yds of the receiver for the lone DVC TD.

WU had the more impressive O.  They had more sustained drives, and did more with the offense.  Nice play calling all day.  WU D was tough all day.

WU got lucky on a couple of their own fumbles that they were able to recover.

Hot dog wasn't that good, but the nachos were nice and hot.  Salsa would have been a nice add on.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2007, 10:52:47 AM
I have a little different take, but thought the better team won.

QuoteIf WU hadn't lost the ball so many times in the second half, the score would not have been close.

Widener had two turnovers in the second half, one on a pick and another on a fumble.  The second was a gift in that Decker just seemed to drop the ball, but the other wasn't.  Campbell made a bad decision and the defense took it away.

You could say if Del Val hadn't turned the ball over so many times (once), they would've won.  It was the fumble that set up the game winning drive.  But neither team looked like it was capable of blowing the other one out because the defenses were so good. 


QuoteWU had the more impressive O.  They had more sustained drives, and did more with the offense

Widener's offense was better balanced, particularly in running the ball.  Decker had a 100 yard game while Del Val did close to zero on the ground.

But neither offense was impressive.  Both teams were helped greatly by special teams play, turnovers or penalties on their scant scoring opportunities.

Widener's scores came on a field goal (7 plays - 14 yards), another field goal (10 plays - 28 yards) and a touchdown (2 plays - 14 yards).  Del Val's drives were 59 yards (mostly one big play) and 80 yards (penalty aided).  The teams had the same amount of first downs (12) and nearly the same amount of yards (Del Val had 16 more).

The real stars were the defenses for both teams, but particularly Widener.  The Pride line did an outstanding job stuffing the run and the linebackers, particularly Favinger, are very good.  On a night where rain negated most speed, Widener's defense was quick to the ball and quick to the quarterback.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 29, 2007, 11:11:18 AM
gordon -
I agree with your points. I think that both defenses would have kept either team from blowing the other out. I was impressed with the speed and physical play of the WU D because at times (Rowan) they have not played this way. I think that the D line played extremely well and has continued to improve with Woodley getting more dominate each week. Favinger is going to be really good, and Wilson and McDonald look like they did last year. I also thought that Woody and the D coaches had an excellent game plan.

I was suprised at the WU online play. They were not able to run the ball most of the season. Maybe the changes in personel have allowed this group to finally turn the corner.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 29, 2007, 11:45:31 AM
Gordon,

We both had the same perception of the game.  Either team had the ability to win the game, but WU came out on top.  I guess we both feel that WU was the better team that night.  If they play again, outcome could be different.  I agree with you that both defenses played well.

Looking forward to Saturday.  Wish I could be there.  Go WU.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 29, 2007, 11:46:51 AM
Gordon,

Offenses rarely look impressive when playing in the conditions like we saw Friday night.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 29, 2007, 12:02:28 PM
pbr is back in town and senses a little hostility on the board...quite nice for a change to see people posting...mac is still wide open imho after this weeks game it will be much much more clear who the front runner will be. its a shame such a meaningful game had to be played in those conditions but even pushing the game back to saturday probably wouldnt have helped as it rained hard most of the day until early afternoon. seems we have 3 evenly matched teams in the mac this year funny how the season plays out as everyone thought wilkes would be by far the front runner
this year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2007, 01:31:32 PM
Formerwu:

Fair point.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 29, 2007, 01:38:21 PM
DVCback

Actually I am impressed you came back....and of course, the first time I call someone out for "Grammar", I flub it (albeit with distraction) and ruin my dig...
Please stay with the board , as we need all the diversity we can get here, as this is one of the slower boards...

Booby...FormerWU is the only "Made" man on here...at least in the Joe Peschi sense :D

Sadly I had to miss the game, as bad weather eliminates the possibility I can go (due to children issues)...

WUDLine, your comment on the speed thing intrigues me....I have seen 2 games this year, but missed the Wesley game...my impression from that game (and certainly what I saw at Rowan...Can you comment (either here or by personal message) as to why you feel differently...

Besides the fact that WU is in the running and controls it's own destiny, It is exciting (for the rest of us) at least to see this come down to other teams, not just the Wilkes vs DV showdown of the last few years...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 29, 2007, 02:03:38 PM
B man-
I was not as concerned with the speed element because of the way that WU played NC Weslyan the first week of the season. That week the D went toe to toe with one of the fastest D3 football teams that I had seen in years. I felt that the NC team was equal if not faster than Wesley. Also in the game against Rowan many of the WU defensive players either did not play or played sparingly because of injuries.Not that I am making any excuses because anyone that was at the game will tell you that WU was not ready to play and was clearly out matched that evening.  Since the Rowan game WU has seen the healthy return of  Woodley (92), McDonald (41) and Wilson (48) who have all returned from leg injuries suffered during or before the Wesley game. These players along with the increased play of Favinger at ILB along with other freshman, in rotating roles, has picked up the Ds speed and depth.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUGridiron on October 29, 2007, 03:47:21 PM
New to the board. Lots of decent insight here. My observations of the WU football team is that they have a strong D, but inconsistent O. The later, I believe, is due to some suspect play calling (other than the NC Weslyan game and parts of the DVC game). The more glaring area seems to be the play calling within the redzone. Seems they move the ball between the 20s fairly well, but struggle inside the 20. 6 redzone possessions Friday and only 13 points. Seems to be a theme all year.

The run game is weak, averaging only 2.2 yards/carry. They have speed in he backfield (numbers 2 and 20), but don't use it. Not sure if the rain or lack of run success overall was the culprit, but they seemd to go to a pass offense the last 2 weeks and even a 2 FB backfield. They need to ramp up the run game and get some skill backs involved. You're not going to be successful against the better teams simply using a run game that involves 1 or 2 FBs most of the time.  You have skill backs that can run and catch the ball - use them. It will compliment the passing game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 29, 2007, 04:09:07 PM
Sounds like sombody's son is getting playing time. :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 29, 2007, 04:10:12 PM
Quote from: formerwu on October 29, 2007, 04:09:07 PM
Sounds like sombody's son is getting playing time. :D

Meant "isn't"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUGridiron on October 29, 2007, 04:23:46 PM
Nice try former...my nephew actually starts on the D line. Just an observation from someone who has played and coached in college. Definitely takes the pressure off twh D when your team can score more consistently. Just offering up some more options to do suc. Dive right/dive left doesn't always get it done. Good try though. Give ya one for effort.  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2007, 06:12:17 PM
WUGridiron picked up on something I, too, found unusual.  For a lot of the second half, they used a two full back set with Ian Decker and Jesse Jayne (great name).  But it worked more than okay with Decker gaining 100+ yards.

But I agree that unbalanced offenses generally don't fare well in the playoffs.  Just ask the Springfield team that Widener dismantled in 2000.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 29, 2007, 08:06:24 PM
WUGridiron

Welcome to the board...

WUDline

Thanks for the insight...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 30, 2007, 02:17:04 AM
PBR...I went to Fridays game and watched two very good teams battle it out in horrible weather. With so much at stake I questioned why this wasnt postponed until Saturday? But then again I am only an Aggie fan.

IN MY OPINION I thought the offensive play calling for the Aggies was horrendous...How many times can you run up the middle, off tackle or run a QB draw...It isnt working guys...every team in the MAC has watched the films and they are on to us....So now we have an outstanding QB with a great arm who holds the ball too long and would rather lose yards on a sack then throw it out of bounds...come on coach...coach him. He is holding the ball until the receiver is open when he should be throwing to a spot where he is going to be and have to fight for the ball.  Come on coaches it is not Donny or David out there anymore...on third and 10 why are we throwing downfield 30 yards into double coverage??? Throw the higher percentage pass of 12 yards....this is basic stuff...I would love to know the thought process there. 

To the "O"  and the entire "D" you guys did a hell of a great job through all the elements that night...nice job !!!  You guys didnt lose that game but the play calling did.
You guys have come too far and have worked too hard to stop now...win out the rest of this season...good luck!!!

I apologize if I have stepped on the toes of anyone on this board, especially any Aggie fans....it was certainly not my intention.

GO AGGIES...BEAT WILKES AND ALBRIGHT

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2007, 08:08:59 AM
interesting observations hangtime. not sure on the game plan as i wasnt there maybe gordon can add some insight since he has seen them the most this year. although he may have to be a little measured in his analysis. weather wise saturday was almost as bad as friday for most of the day probably only would of helped if they could of pushed it back to saturday night at least the rain stopped by then but the winds were pretty heavy still.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on October 30, 2007, 09:10:28 AM
The only reason to suspend a game is due to Lightning.  With all the rain that we had, the field was in great shape.  I didn't notice anybody having issues with the footing.

I remember playing against Juniata at the old stadium up on campus, during the final stages of a hurricane.  The only part of the field that wasn't under water was between the hashes.  While taking my stance, out on the corner, I looked down and noticed that my feet were in a puddle up over my ankles.  No joke.  After the game, it took me about 10 minutes to take my cleats off.  They were suctioned to my feet.

Those were the days.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2007, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: WUGridiron on October 29, 2007, 04:23:46 PM
Nice try former...my nephew actually starts on the D line.

Guess you didn't read the Terms of Service, as required when you register. You'd know your e-mail address is on your profile and we can all see your last name, shared with a freshman running back.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 30, 2007, 09:39:50 AM
Gordon

The coaches have used Decker as the big back in there one back set formations all year. He is used as a combo back and actually catches the ball very well out of the backfield. Besides, Payton (2) was hurt on the second carry of the game, and I am told that (20) was hurt during the week in practice, and was not fully healthy.

WU Gridiron-
Please do not  misrepresent  yourself. I sit with many of the families of the D lineman at WU football games and non have the same last name of any RB's on the roster. The dline at WU has always been a tight group and we do not take kindly to being used in such a ploy. Also the reason for featuring Decker is very simple. He was very effective. And dispite your belief, part of good coaching is using the right people at the right times.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2007, 10:07:04 AM
Quote from: formerwu on October 30, 2007, 09:10:28 AM
The only reason to suspend a game is due to Lightning.  With all the rain that we had, the field was in great shape.  I didn't notice anybody having issues with the footing.

I remember playing against Juniata at the old stadium up on campus, during the final stages of a hurricane.  The only part of the field that wasn't under water was between the hashes.  While taking my stance, out on the corner, I looked down and noticed that my feet were in a puddle up over my ankles.  No joke.  After the game, it took me about 10 minutes to take my cleats off.  They were suctioned to my feet.

Those were the days.

now that is some funny stuff... +k
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2007, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 30, 2007, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: WUGridiron on October 29, 2007, 04:23:46 PM
Nice try former...my nephew actually starts on the D line.

Guess you didn't read the Terms of Service, as required when you register. You'd know your e-mail address is on your profile and we can all see your last name, shared with a freshman running back.

saw that and knew it was only a matter of time before the guru came in w/ a flying atomic elbow
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on October 30, 2007, 10:17:45 AM
Hey guys it has been awhile since I posted but....I was just wondering if you guys had  any info on Kings this year....could not believe their record when I looked at the MAC standings.....If anyone has seen them play....any info would help..Thanks guys...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 30, 2007, 08:32:52 PM
Formerwu....thanks for the info regarding the lightening and postponement of games.

I sure hope the Aggie play calling gets a little creative this week against Wilkes...is there a Taboo on passing on first down...can anyone shed some light on this???  Open it up boys...nothing to lose now.  This weeks game should be sweet revenge from last years game....

GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2007, 09:49:54 PM
pbr feels good about this weeks game for dvc....pbr thinks they take care of business and payback for last years game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ramarama on October 30, 2007, 11:01:33 PM
First allow me to congratulate Widener on their win. While it wasn't the game it could have been, it was still fun to watch two terrific defensive units make the opposing offense look weak. I disagree with those calling for "opening it up" or throwing more, at least in terms of the WU game. I felt the failures of the offense centered around the lack of protection for Isgro who had someone in the backfield nearly as soon as the ball was snapped. The tight end was not utilized enough for either blocking or pass catching. The spread offense was essentially useless due to WU's pass rush, so why not bring in a TE and FB and force the run issue. Passing in the rain was obviously not a good idea.

As for fumbles, the WU team actually did themselves a favor by fumbling the ball as it led to a first down and a score when their QB fumbled/recovered/advanced the ball. The Isgro fumble was critical, but the kid shouldn't have been in that position to begin with.

Now all DVC can do is take care of their own business by winning their remaining games and let the chips fall where they may.

One last note, perhaps not important to this board, but WOW to Wesley beating Salisbury. I really thought Salisbury was the better team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 30, 2007, 11:16:41 PM
Quote from: formerwu on October 30, 2007, 09:10:28 AM


I remember playing against Juniata at the old stadium up on campus, during the final stages of a hurricane.  The only part of the field that wasn't under water was between the hashes.  While taking my stance, out on the corner, I looked down and noticed that my feet were in a puddle up over my ankles.  No joke.  After the game, it took me about 10 minutes to take my cleats off.  They were suctioned to my feet.

Those were the days.

Was it me or was that place always a swamp?  Rained every time we played there. I also have to give DelVal some respect as well, they did have the damn finest grass around. That field was like playing on overgrown Cashmere!

Now onto the serious stuff, after the Ass-Kicking that Albright is going to hand DU and DV the next two weeks, who are the potential first round contenders that they will smash, and how is that determined? NJAC schools? Centenial? Throw me some love here and...

Havent "Pancakes" been elevated to official stat status yet?

PS-

Go ALBRIGHT
GO ALBRIGHTALBRIGHT
GO ALBRIGHT[/move]

OK havent figured that one out yet...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2007, 07:42:26 AM
Lanes....u like apples? pbr thinks albright loses its next 2 games how do u like them apples? albright ends up not even ecac bound but not too bad a showing from where they were projected this year. but bring the smack talk its good stuff!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCBackin07 on October 31, 2007, 08:26:13 AM
I am with ya PBR,,,,time for some paybacks. Put the Widener game behind us and let the cards fall where they may. I still say 3-way tie. Need to shut 'Lames' up. Smack him around a little.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 31, 2007, 08:43:02 AM
Lanes, Lanes, Lanes -

You probably have not seen the WU or DVC defenses play this year or you would not have made such a arrogant statement. If you had you would realize that neither of those teams is going to be blown out.  I would not put to much stock into some of those teams you have been beating up on, not that many wins between them. You may want to hold off on buying your playoff tickets a little longer, the only ass you may be kicking is your own, after you remove your foot from your mouth.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 31, 2007, 09:28:06 AM
I love rattling you guys' cages.  It just is a little weighted in here and somebody needs to stand up for the smart schools! ; )  Keep up the great insight and thanks for keeping me from "letting go" of my football days. We are lacking a bit of Albright leverage in here surprisingly after 100 years of football there. 

Go Albright!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCBackin07 on October 31, 2007, 10:04:42 AM
C'mon Lanes dude,,,WU and DVC aren't 'smart' schools also?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 31, 2007, 01:03:41 PM
theres no way either of those teams get blown out by albright hes right. both teams have great defenses and i def gained a lot of respect for widener after that dvc game. anyways if there is a 3 way tie for the MAC who gets the title and the playoff bid?? im not sure how that works
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2007, 02:38:39 PM
I have information on how the three-way tie situation works, but I'll wait to share it until after this weekend.  If Widener wins or Del Val loses, the race is decided any way.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2007, 02:40:16 PM
gordon you mean when delval wins and weidner loses you will share correct?  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 31, 2007, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 31, 2007, 02:40:16 PM
gordon you mean when delval wins and wiedner loses you will share correct?  ;)

NOW WE ARE TALKING!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2007, 03:50:53 PM
Sure, something like that. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on October 31, 2007, 07:08:53 PM
ramarama....when I mentioned opening it up I just wasnt relating to the pass...the run offense as is the total offense is too predictable...2 run plays...a pass play on 3rd then punt...or 3 plays off tackle plays the punt...Now last Fridays weather almost eliminated the pass altogether, but it has been like watch a high school team.....Just mix the plays up and not keep the same sequence...

LANES....be careful of the RAM as he is lurking and likes to ruin homecomings and knock off a team that thinks it is headed for the playoffs...the DVC "D" is lethal and can make things happen...watch out.....like the poster said you be kicking you own butt!!!

A lot of credit to the Lions new coach, he has done a very nice job...see you on the turff!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 31, 2007, 10:48:25 PM
Quote from: HANGTIME on October 31, 2007, 07:08:53 PM

LANES....be careful of the RAM as he is lurking and likes to ruin homecomings and knock off a team that thinks it is headed for the playoffs...the DVC "D" is lethal and can make things happen...watch out.....like the poster said you be kicking you own butt!!!

A lot of credit to the Lions new coach, he has done a very nice job...see you on the turff!!!

Hangers, Of course no disrespect to the group, but I always tried to play with emotion, and someone has to carry a set in here as it is getting cooler, feels like football season now, and the seasons battle is in full swing all around.  This place should be hopping, and some fan-age should be more evident than 6 dudes chatting about the entire league. We have the Gurus, a few relatives, a few hasbeens, and some legends. The s)-(it needs to start flying a bit to make it more fun. 

Anyhow, would it be a safe assumption to make that those coaching staffs that really have their act together, should have more influence as the season matures?  Scouting, tendencies, key players, inadiquicies and the like have become more evident and reported by now. Is coaching out a win, more of a possibility than lets say week 1-4?  Love to see some stats on the staffs around the league, quantity, quality, age, records, and of course salary. Just a thought, and last but not least:

Can I get a call on the proposal to officialize the "pancake stat?" 

I know we kept it in our books.

PSS, whats up with that Muhlenberg??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 31, 2007, 11:55:25 PM
Lanes-
You have a little backing now.  I'm always floating around.  As I would label myself a fan of the MAC overall, I am a bit partial to Albright. 
Marzka has done a lot this year.  From what I gather he has a serious presence about him, he brought his style to this team, and if they didnt like it, they didnt have to come back.  This was huge, considering the age of his team.

However, this week is a big week.  Wood plays Albright well.  He plays their D well, and he plays their O well.  I am much more concerned with WU then DVC.  Albright has NEVER had a problem with a DVC defense.  It will all come down to stopping the DVC O, and the D in Reading has been playing unusually well this year.

Here is a good one for any of the Widener fans?  I have heard a ton about the potential of Decker in the last year, this week we caught a glimpse.  Will he be a huge factor this week, or will they get away from him?
Also, does Widener have a corner that can shutdown Asay from Albright?  If they have to double team, it could cause a decent amount of problems, especially with the arsenal of weapons that Albright has.


This weekend should be a great one...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 01, 2007, 07:45:42 AM
dog kinda agree a little w/ you although the 13 points albright put up last year against dvc pbr would say albright certainly didnt light it up against dvc's defense although the year before that albright put up some points but still went down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCBackin07 on November 01, 2007, 08:24:59 AM
Hey PBR,,,who's the chic in the pic???...Should have brought her to the game last Friday,,,maybe you could have distracted the Widener side and we could have one the game.   :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 01, 2007, 08:34:53 AM
Quote from: DVCBackin07 on November 01, 2007, 08:24:59 AM
Hey PBR,,,who's the chic in the pic???...Should have brought her to the game last Friday,,,maybe you could have distracted the Widener side and we could have one the game.   :P

that would be lisa ann horst ....golf fitness trainer and model
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCBackin07 on November 01, 2007, 08:57:37 AM
Me thinks I am going to take up golf and need lessons. I hope she is in the Yellow Pages..... :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 01, 2007, 08:59:20 AM
no need just go to lisaannhorst.com  :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 01, 2007, 10:50:17 AM
Lanes -
I agree that coaching staffs become very important this time of year. We all know that coaches alone do not win games. However, they can certainly help lose them through bad play calling, clock management, and planning. I think Wood has done an excellent with his staff at WU. He has managed to keep the D staff together for quite some time and they seem to be a pretty tight group. I know a few of the coaches are still there from when I played and I felt they were really good at game planning. They do an excellent job with personnel and play calling. I feel that this has translated into results on the field from the players. I know they did a tremendous job last Friday against DVC. The O staff is relatively new, but it looks like Wood has started to become a little more involved on that side of the ball this year. I have noticed from the stands that he does not meet with the D anymore when they come off after a series. He has one of his other coaches handling that for him. I will note all the players especially the O appear to be much more disciplined on the sidelines and overall this year. Which is a tribute to the whole staff.

Dog - I think that Wu will probably put Brown on Asay. He is 6'2 & 185 lbs. so he should match up decently with Asay's size. He has 6 picks on the season so he is playing pretty well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: admin on November 01, 2007, 01:36:03 PM
To the person who keeps registering with fake names: Continuing to do so will force me to ban your IP address completely, which means your two (why do you need more than one?) "real" names would be booted as well.

Sorry you didn't read the TOS beforehand to see your identity is not secret. That's why we have Terms of Service. We don't really tolerate people lying about who they are, like this is some high school board.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 01, 2007, 01:47:27 PM
ban them they obviously are going to do nothing but flame the board...they are trying to back door their way in save us a lot of trouble and just ban the ip now so we dont have to deal with them later
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LD2781 on November 01, 2007, 03:36:43 PM
im a little behind but...

the DVC grass was nice but it was always covered in goose crap. Anyone else notice that? And, it was the second smallest visitor locker room next to LVC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 01, 2007, 03:41:35 PM
dvc's field was redone recently and other than bird droppings is very very good....everyone here will agree w/ you that their football/athletic facilities are at the point they need a major upgrade/renovation. other than that what is your point? your right a your a weeee bit behind here...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 02, 2007, 01:22:12 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 01, 2007, 03:41:35 PM
dvc's field was redone recently and other than bird droppings is very very good....everyone here will agree w/ you that their football/athletic facilities are at the point they need a major upgrade/renovation. other than that what is your point? your right a your a weeee bit behind here...

Easy PBR, he had a pretty valid point and although it may be a sore subject for you, I too had to sit in that sardine can they call a visitors locker room. It is a pretty big deal these days with enrollment, recruiting and facilities for a college to remain competitive long-term. Schools have to spend money to attract money.  Overall, I dont think there is a "bad" looking stadium in the conference, and they all are unique to say the least, not to mention fun to play in.  Anyone going to Albright@WU?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 02, 2007, 07:30:31 AM
lanes not sure pbr follows you ....he agreed w/ him totally that the facilities need a major upgrade/renovation?  the field is great right now after it was re-done...the field was a wreck several years ago during the season/playoffs especially when rowan came to play in the playoffs thankfully an alumni's company gutted the entire field and drainage system and has it top notch. the locker rooms/snack stand/stadium and athletic facilities need a HUGE overhaul.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LD2781 on November 02, 2007, 09:15:05 AM
no point really just an observation. i've been out of the game a few years so i haven't had the 'privilege' of playing on DVC's redone field.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 02, 2007, 09:25:03 AM
umm yeah whatever enuf already bout that...like it or not weather again is going to be a HUGE factor locally in southeastern PA again....not rain this time but WINDS....w/ hurricane noel passing off the coast the wind gusts are pretty strong already and supposed to stay that way the entire weekend...at the new joisey shore wind gusts of 60+mph are expected. so w/ wilkes in doylestown against dvc and albright in chester against widener the wind will be a factor in the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 02, 2007, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 02, 2007, 07:30:31 AM
lanes not sure pbr follows you ....he agreed w/ him totally that the facilities need a major upgrade/renovation?  the field is great right now after it was re-done...the field was a wreck several years ago during the season/playoffs especially when rowan came to play in the playoffs thankfully an alumni's company gutted the entire field and drainage system and has it top notch. the locker rooms/snack stand/stadium and athletic facilities need a HUGE overhaul.

PBR, Firstly, love the 3rd person narrative of yourself.  Secondly, I was just stirring the pot of Del val a bit because it is obvious they have some serious following in here.  On a side note, For some reason I was trying to remember what Juniata's feild was like, surrounded with Dorms in a small hollow as I believe, so I went to their site and scoped out the program, ouch!  Rough year or three it seems. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 02, 2007, 06:55:00 PM
pbr can only remember a few times where juniata even had a decent team and werent the doormats of the mac....way back when they had a streak of several years where they were alright if pbr can remember back thru the haze....maybe early to mid 90s? plus juniata just seemed way the heck out in pa....big weekend of d3 football in the mac and llpp there are major games w/ serious playoff implications cant wait
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 02, 2007, 08:06:22 PM
FOUL!

PBR can not 3rd person speak here!  That is reserved for th LL board... :)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 02, 2007, 09:18:07 PM
cant wait for the AGGIES and wilkes game tomorrow should be a very great game and since its senior day for the aggies id like to thank the 16 seniors on the aggies for helping to turn around a program that was on the bottom of the conference for so many years. your hard work means a lot and from all of the aggies fans thank you. GO AGGIES tomorrow
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 02, 2007, 09:37:48 PM
well stated d11.... the aggies going thru this program now have tasted success and for those of us that were there for the lean years we say thank you and really appreciate the effort everyone of you has put in to bring this program to where it stands today...well done to all of you


bman no foul pbr is working on his second 6 pack of ml's and is having trouble figurin out what board he is on 1/2 the time
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2007, 08:41:56 AM
Walking out the door to Widener. Hope everyone has a good game day.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 03, 2007, 09:30:09 AM
Got it, Sid of WU has his cell on the game sheet, how nice is that!

http://www.teamline.cc/free_listen?teamcode=2855&eventcode=20&status=PFU

Go Albright!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 03, 2007, 10:03:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2007, 08:41:56 AM
Walking out the door to Widener. Hope everyone has a good game day.

very windy up here today pat and cloudy perfect fall day for football!! (albeit a little too windy) enjoy the game!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2007, 12:29:07 PM
Thanks. Little less windy here with the trees all around.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 03, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
Ouch on the game, but great photo Pat! Looks like you were playing free safety.  Sounded like a great shootout although Bright went flat in second or WU woke up.  Looks like game ON next week for second in the MAC.

Bring on the Ram!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 03, 2007, 05:17:58 PM
wat a great contest between the aggies and wilkes. congrads to both teams for such a great battle and for wilkes for pulling out the victory. id like to say a thank you to the 16 aggies seniors who helped turn the team around after many years on the bottom: Sean Raftery, Kyle Mancuso, Jake Sheffield, Matt DiRocco, Quincy Thaxton, John Pursell, Dan Harrington, Mike Dilts, Dominick Donofrio, Steve Drombroski, Omari Hollingsworth, Joel Foreman, Travis Albanesius, Tyrone Nickens, and Nick Lucas. all of the aggies fans appreciate what you all put into the program.

Title: widener albright game
Post by: hit1sticks on November 03, 2007, 07:26:19 PM
Congrats from an albright fan to Widener on there win today. They really deserved it after falling behind by two scores at half and taking it to Albright in the second half.  Two things I picked up on during the game were Albright did very minimal adjustments at half time. Not exagerating here but Widener must have completed 15-20 hitch routes throughout the game, and other than one INT on a hitch, Albright failed to mix their coverage schemes.  They pretty much ran two different plays there last posession (draw and hitch) and Albright never switched it up once.  The other thing I noticed was correct me if I'm wrong but heading into the game Widener was leading the MAC in penalty yards coming in and today played a very disciplined football game. Maybe one or two penalties throughout the game.  Big showdown next Sat. in Reading for second place. Quick question, will the loser of next weeks game get a chance at an ECAC bid?
Title: Re: widener albright game
Post by: LANES on November 03, 2007, 07:40:56 PM
Quote from: hit1sticks on November 03, 2007, 07:26:19 PM
Congrats from an albright fan to Widener on there win today.


Quick question, will the loser of next weeks game get a chance at an ECAC bid?

Winner?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 03, 2007, 08:35:51 PM
Actually, I'm not sure there is an ECAC bid on the line.

Albright at 7-3 would still have the best looking record in the MAC among ECAC competitors, regardless of where a three-way tie situation puts them.  If we assume six teams go from Pennsylvania/New Jersey, I'm not sure they'll slip out of the top 6 even with a loss (see below).  And Del Val is probably out, even at 5-5 or 5-4 (not sure if they consider the Iona loss).  What could be at stake for Albright is a home ECAC game.

Here are the teams who declared for ECACs and their records.  I'll skip Widener, W&J, Muhlenberg, the New York and New England teams since teams don't travel that far for ECACs.

Salisbury (8-1, likely NCAA team)
Wesley (8-1, likely NCAA team)
Waynesburg (7-2)
Albright (7-2)
Dickinson (7-2)
Montclair State (7-2)
Ursinus (7-2)
Geneva (6-3)
Gettysburg (6-3)
Moravian (6-3)
Carnegie Mellon (5-4)
Bethany (4-5)
Delaware Valley (4-5)
Grove City (4-5)
Kean (4-5)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 03, 2007, 09:14:31 PM
I have to say, that I have completely and totally eaten my words from thr Rowan game, when I accused this Widener team of not having heart...(still) I am not sure how far they can go, but nonetheless, they proved something today...

Congrats to Albright and their fans, although I was not able to go today, your team is the real deal...looks like we will have 4 tough teams (at least) in the MAC next year...

Although the season is not over, I must say that it has been a pleasure having the recent posters on the board...this was the most knowledgeable group on here in a long time...I hope everyone stays...

PBR...I feel your pain brother...here's hoisting one for you, the Lions, Aggies, and the Colonels...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 03, 2007, 10:29:08 PM
so its safe to say that if dvc wins next week and gets to 5-5 they wont get a bowl game???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 03, 2007, 10:33:06 PM
Bman - Thanks for your comments regarding the WU football team. It takes a man to admit when he is wrong. I agree that this team may not have the individual talent that some of the WU teams of the past have had, but they fight together and play as a team. Maybe they will not go far in the playoff, but to respond from that Rowan loss and win the conference is pretty impressive. I think that this is truely a credit to coach Wood and his staff for keeping his team together. In the past this team would have quit and started to point fingers at each other in similiar situations like today. However, they stuck together and pulled out a great win.

Hitsticks-
Thanks for the congrats. You are right about the half time adjustments. Again I think Wood deserves alot of credit for the changes he made. The WU D has not allowed a third quarter touchdown in conference play all season. I would say that is pretty impressive, and speaks volumes about Woods ability to adjust. I would also like to give the Albright staff and players alot of credit on a great game and season, what a turn around. Great job.

Lanes - Tough one buddy - Open mouth - insert foot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2007, 12:24:45 AM
DVCFan11:

I think that's the case, yes.  And frankly I don't think that should be a surprise since post season games are rare for .500 teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 04, 2007, 12:53:13 AM
i wasnt sure since wasnt salisbury 5-5 last year when they played in the bowl? so how deep in the playoffs does widener get? any predictions?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2007, 09:52:26 AM
Yes, Salisbury was 5-5 last year.  I don't think that'll be good enough to get a team in this year given all the ones that filed and their records.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2007, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: LANES on November 03, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
Ouch on the game, but great photo Pat! Looks like you were playing free safety.  Sounded like a great shootout although Bright went flat in second or WU woke up.  Looks like game ON next week for second in the MAC.

Thanks, man. Full photo gallery is up, too. Felt like I got pretty lucky on a lot of shots out there:

http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1925
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 04, 2007, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on November 03, 2007, 10:33:06 PM
Bman - Thanks for your comments regarding the WU football team. It takes a man to admit when he is wrong. I agree that this team may not have the individual talent that some of the WU teams of the past have had, but they fight together and play as a team. Maybe they will not go far in the playoff, but to respond from that Rowan loss and win the conference is pretty impressive. I think that this is truely a credit to coach Wood and his staff for keeping his team together. In the past this team would have quit and started to point fingers at each other in similiar situations like today. However, they stuck together and pulled out a great win.

Hitsticks-
Thanks for the congrats. You are right about the half time adjustments. Again I think Wood deserves alot of credit for the changes he made. The WU D has not allowed a third quarter touchdown in conference play all season. I would say that is pretty impressive, and speaks volumes about Woods ability to adjust. I would also like to give the Albright staff and players alot of credit on a great game and season, what a turn around. Great job.

Lanes - Tough one buddy - Open mouth - insert foot.

WU, congats on the win. I listened and it was a great game, and "won" by WU for sure.  Smack talking from the cheerleader box pre-game is some of the fun from an Alum and fan point of view, bragging after a win is not quite the same.  This should also be a great game for a few more years to come. On a short note, the stream-cast was awesome, both commentators did an admirable job bringing realism to the air, and their take helped to really describe the game to one siting and trying to work, especially after sqandering a 21-7 half time lead.

Now, onto week 10. For those that have seen both teams, whats the deal.  Seems like a good match up, with possible playoff and pride reasons.  I cant wait for my weekend away, and the smell of mushrooms in the air.

ps. What a great conference, and this place has helped make it even better!

PSS, Great photo album Pat, did you get to actually watch the game as I see you shot alot of the turning points.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2007, 12:47:58 AM
You know, I definitely don't absorb the game as well from behind a camera lens but I tried to take notes to help with that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 05, 2007, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: bman on November 03, 2007, 09:14:31 PM
I have to say, that I have completely and totally eaten my words from thr Rowan game, when I accused this Widener team of not having heart...(still) I am not sure how far they can go, but nonetheless, they proved something today...

Congrats to Albright and their fans, although I was not able to go today, your team is the real deal...looks like we will have 4 tough teams (at least) in the MAC next year...

Although the season is not over, I must say that it has been a pleasure having the recent posters on the board...this was the most knowledgeable group on here in a long time...I hope everyone stays...

PBR...I feel your pain brother...here's hoisting one for you, the Lions, Aggies, and the Colonels...

right back at ya bman....pbr figures the wind came out of the sails a little w/ the loss at widener...wilkes was going to be a tough game no matter what. pbr would really luv to see everyone pick it up this week and finish strong w/ a win over albright and send the seniors out w/ a win in their last game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on November 06, 2007, 10:50:08 AM
Congrats WU, way to come back after the early disappointments this year.  Any chance of hosting a playoff game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 06, 2007, 11:48:21 AM
Maybe, if they beat Wilkes to finish 7-2, but a lot of things would have to break their way.  To get a sense where the ranking committee views Widener, they were 10th (of 10) in last week's regional rankings.  I think a first round game at TCNJ or somewhere in Upstate New York is more likely.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 06, 2007, 11:52:59 AM
have to admit pbr didnt expect TCNJ to be this strong this year....they have been impressive so far. gordon where did u have them ranked preseason pbr cant remember? at the top  or more around 3rd or 4th in their league
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2007, 11:58:20 AM
We had them pretty low, as did the NJAC coaches. NJAC picked them seventh of eight.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 06, 2007, 12:02:29 PM
thx pat! didnt realize most had them that low all the more impressive....good on ya tcnj!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 06, 2007, 01:00:24 PM
NJAC basketball and football coaches are not that good at predicting the finishes of the conference teams.  Almost every year a team picked at the bottom ends up near or at the the top of the conf.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 06, 2007, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on November 06, 2007, 01:00:24 PM
NJAC basketball and football coaches are not that good at predicting the finishes of the conference teams.  Almost every year a team picked at the bottom ends up near or at the the top of the conf.

KS the pbrwarriors came up huge last night...the steelers def. put pbrwarriors over the top of ksmonkeys...pbr was not feeling comfortable going into last night
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 06, 2007, 02:54:38 PM
PBR, ks does not feel comfortable any week with the Monkeyspankers.  They suck.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 06, 2007, 02:56:48 PM
a +k to help out the ksmonkeys....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 08, 2007, 01:35:03 AM
Scouting report in Reading this week?  Anyone heading out?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 08, 2007, 07:27:16 AM
negative lanes...pbr would like to go but he will be at the house of mouse w/ the mrs. and kiddies....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hit1sticks on November 08, 2007, 08:39:38 AM
if they can get a win sat. what are albright's chances of possibly getting a spot in the national playoffs?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 08, 2007, 09:04:28 AM
Quote from: hit1sticks on November 08, 2007, 08:39:38 AM
if they can get a win sat. what are albright's chances of possibly getting a spot in the national playoffs?

none...sorry....widener gets the automatic bid by winning the mac.  also go check out the front page pat and the crew have put together the playoff projections in the brackets which makes it very easy reading
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on November 08, 2007, 10:23:52 AM
Albright = ECAC at best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 08, 2007, 12:47:21 PM
As others have mentioned, Albright's shot at an at-large is a long one. 

The Lions are way down on the list for opponents' winning percentage and opponents' opponents winning percentage (see http://www.d3football.com/strength-of-schedule/2007), which is what the committee uses to measure strength of schedule.  They are 0-2 against regionally ranked teams (loses to Salisbury and Widener).  In fact, the Lions will finish the regular seasons without a win over a team with a winning record (Kean, Wilkes, Del Val are 4-5).

None of that is meant to take away from Albright.  It's been a great year for Albright and the ECAC game is a very good step forward.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 08, 2007, 01:21:14 PM
an Off Topic MAC thingee...dvc is ranked #6 nationally in the preseason wrestling polls...dvc truly is the beast of the east in wrestling and will look to take it to the boyz from the midwest this year......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 08, 2007, 02:43:39 PM
Pat -
In your Daily Dose you listed WU as one of the teams with an automatic bid that is not currently ranked in the region. However, it appears that they are ranked 7. Is Wu ranked 7th in the East?

Gordon-
If Wu is currently ranked 7th in the east will a win at Wilkes keep them form being dropped by the NCAA to 8th to play TCNJ because it is a closer matchup? I would not mind seeing Curry in the first round, I think it may be the best match up for the pride.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 08, 2007, 03:03:52 PM
WUDLine:

Yes, Widener is ranked seventh in this week's regional rankings.  Where do we say otherwise?  I'm not being argumentative.  I just can't find the reference to see if I can help clarify or correct it.

On the second point, the actual match-ups don't always follow the team's seedings.  You could have No. 5 travel to No. 2 or No. 3 if there were other reasons for altering the pairings (geographic proximity, desire to avoid first round rematches).  The geographical concerns come into play frequently for the South and West brackets. 

While it would be a much shorter drive for Widener to go to Ewing, NJ than Milton, Mass, it would still be a drive either way.  Since anything under 500 miles is not a plane trip, maybe the Committee wouldn't change the seedings to accommodate geography here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2007, 03:15:53 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on November 08, 2007, 02:43:39 PM
Pat -
In your Daily Dose you listed WU as one of the teams with an automatic bid that is not currently ranked in the region. However, it appears that they are ranked 7. Is Wu ranked 7th in the East?

Yes. My bad, obviously.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 08, 2007, 04:14:09 PM
Pat
No problem. Thanks for the clarification. Great job on the WU/ Albright game, the pictures are great.

Gordon,
Thanks for the info. Sure hope they do not change the match ups. I hope the pride can avoid TCNJ or Fisher in the first round.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: superman57 on November 08, 2007, 04:18:21 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on November 08, 2007, 04:14:09 PM
Pat
No problem. Thanks for the clarification. Great job on the WU/ Albright game, the pictures are great.

Gordon,
Thanks for the info. Sure hope they do not change the match ups. I hope the pride can avoid TCNJ or Fisher in the first round.

I have a feeling that no matter what Wiedner is going to be in trouble come playoff time...and yes I think all teams should be hoping to avoid TCNJ or Fisher in the first round and from what I've seen Hartwick will be no cupcake and if Hobart makes the playoffs they are on fire right now and Strom is a beast...this may be the deepest the east has ever been...but then again I don't think any of it will matter as MUC is tearing through teams like the Patriots in a Pee Wee game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 08, 2007, 04:41:57 PM
Hobart should scare everyone if somehow they are able to eeek out the LL they are going to be a very hot team heading into the playoffs. pbr wouldnt be surprised if they ran the table in the east bracket
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 09, 2007, 10:08:04 AM
PBR

The only thing we're scared of is those ugle uniforms.... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2007, 10:55:45 AM
dang....the rev and tgp from the llpp board will not find comedy in that!!  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 10, 2007, 12:15:20 AM
Tomorrow Del Val looks to end the season on a high note as Albright battles for a home ECAC game.

Delaware Valley
versus
Albright

Pregame at 12:30 pm with kickoff at 1 pm on www.allinbroadcasting.com.

NOTE:  Del Val and Albright both broadcast on allinbroadcasting.com so if the broadcast stream doesn't sound like me, it probably isn't. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 10, 2007, 04:23:11 PM
well done dvc way to finish strong!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 11, 2007, 02:38:44 AM
congrads to the 2007 aggies for winning a very exciting game against albright. gotta take that into next season and start working hard. thanks seniors for everything and im so glad u guys got to end your careers at delval with a win. also good luck to widener make the MAC proud guys
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 11, 2007, 07:29:46 PM
Pat / Gordon
Do the brackets reseed each round? Just wondering if WU would play Wabash or White Water.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2007, 07:38:55 PM
No reseeding -- the brackets are set.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 11, 2007, 07:52:48 PM
Good news Pat. Thanks. I was not planning on heading to Ohio, committee really threw us all a curve today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2007, 11:06:10 PM
It's a good matchup for Widener. Best matchup an 8 seed has in the tournament.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 11, 2007, 11:21:59 PM
hey pat do you know wat if any mac teams will get a ecac?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 12, 2007, 12:05:13 AM
DelVal:

It sounds like the ECAC bids will be announced tomorrow.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on November 12, 2007, 12:21:31 PM
I like our first round match up against Case Western.  I am definitely glad we did not stay in the "east".  Some very tough teams in this bracket. 

Playoff football - anything can happen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2007, 07:00:03 PM
WUDLINE

If my research is correct Widener has never beaten an Ohio team.  I was present in 1979 when Wittenberg beat the then Pioneers 17-14 on a last second field goal.

You will find a tough D very much like your own.  It's a 3-3 stack.  Lots of agile hostile players.  On O there is a big question mark.  Starting QB (~150 eff) and #1 WR were injured in next to last game.  WR is out for season and QB will probably be game day decision this week (sat out last).  I'd say CWRU has the edge if Whalen plays.  If not, it might depend on how many points the D scores.  They excel at the "scoop and score."  +16 t/o margin as I recall.

Here's a link to facilities.  Small by comparison to your place.  All seats on one side.  There is a designated visitor section.  Brand new like the team's success.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/Facilities/north_side.htm

Weather.com says 40 degrees W 11  40% chance of showers.

I expect a close hard fought game from both side.






Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 12, 2007, 09:21:39 PM
Pat -
Will the NCAA reserve a certian number of tickets for visiting fans. I noticed a posting that CWRU was selling them already. I would hate to drive to Cleveland and not get a ticket.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2007, 09:44:19 PM
There is plenty of standing room which is free.  There is also a parking garage that parallells the field.  I've never been asked for my ticket up there.  Not sure what changes the NCAA might make (like blocking those views).  For anyone who can't making there is supposed to be streaming video.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast/index.htm

NCAA Playoff Ticket Prices: General Admission $8.00, Students $4.00
More Information: 216.368.2420  per CWRU site
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2007, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: cwru70 on November 12, 2007, 09:44:19 PM
There is plenty of standing room which is free.  There is also a parking garage that parallells the field.  I've never been asked for my ticket up there.  Not sure what changes the NCAA might make (like blocking those views).  For anyone who can't making there is supposed to be streaming video.

http://www.case.edu/athletics/varsity/broadcast/index.htm

NCAA Playoff Ticket Prices: General Admission $8.00, Students $4.00
More Information: 216.368.2420  per CWRU site

Nothing is free for an NCAA playoff game.

There should be tickets set aside, WUDLINE, contact Widener.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on November 12, 2007, 11:48:45 PM
The field sits in the middle of dormitories.  There are an almost infinite number of points of access from three sides of the field which is only fenced around the track.  I can't see how they can keep students from their dorms.  When CWRU hosted a soccer playoff last season the school paid for students who attended.  No mention of something similar for students as yet.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 13, 2007, 12:15:14 AM
Received an Email from Albright's SID today:

Reading, PA – The Albright College football team has received a bid to the ECAC South Atlantic Championship Bowl. Next Saturday, November 17th, the Lions will travel to Montclair, NJ to face Montclair State.  Kickoff is slated for 1:00 p.m.  Albright finished the regular season with a 7-3 record and tied for second place in the MAC.  Under first-year head coach John Marzka the Lions have engineered quite a turnaround from a 2-8 record in 2006.  The Red Hawks are 8-2 in 2007 and finished in third place in the New Jersey Athletic Conference.  Montclair and Albright had two common opponents in 2007, as both teams defeated both Wilkes and Kean.



This will be Albright's fifth ECAC Championship appearance.  The Lions are 4-0 in ECAC bowls, having beaten Salisbury State 20-10 in 1995, Wesley University 10-0 in 1997, Wesley again by a score of 49-35 in 2001, and most recently McDaniel 54-10 in 2004.  All five of Albright's ECAC Bowl appearances have been on the road.  Montclair will be making its fourth ECAC Championship appearance.  The Red Hawks are 2-1 in their ECAC experience, defeating Dickinson 17-9 in 1993 and Widener 15-7 in 1998 while falling to Widener 27-18 in 2005.


I would also like to congratulate DV on a great game Saturday as they controlled a good portion of the game in Reading.  Overall I was impressed with both teams given their combined youth at most skill positions.  These 2 squads have a great few years ahead of them and this should continue to be a great series. Albrights facilities are amazing (ala window seats in the upstairs gym finally, weight room like Golds Gym), and I was proud to see the school heading in a great direction with emphasis on the programs and Athletics. As opposed to some statements about Del Vall's uniforms, I thought they looked pretty sharp.  Isgroe(sp) sure is a sleeper and he can uncork both a rocket of an arm and some wheels that took multiple tries to get him down.  Albright seemed to be lacking some beef, and the rest of the crew I attended with (average 275lbs) inquired at halftime about possibly "buying" some playing time as DV has us outgunned in the trenches by about 40lbs per man, but something about "violations" as I recall was mentioned so I enjoyed a dog and fries instead...Congratulations to both teams for hanging tough for 2nd place and good luck to WU in the next few.

Has anyone seem Montclair this year?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 13, 2007, 10:27:54 AM
I believe that Del Val should have received the ECAC bid from the MAC. They finsihed in second place with the tie breaker over Albright with a head to head victory. They played a tougher out of conference schedule (Wesley, Salisbury and Iona I-AA) With a few breaks they could have easily been 9 - 1 this season.

As far as last weeks matchup, although Albright was scrappy, Del Val was the dominate team on the field. If it wasn't for a few Del Val offensive miscues which gave Albright the ball deep in Del Val territory a white wash was very possible.

No excuses though, Del Val did not get it done when they had to which led to them being left out of the playoff picture. Kudos to Albright for having an outstanding season. Perhaps they were a little down from the week before and the tough loss to Widener. Just seems to this observer that the game was not as close as the score led people to believe.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 13, 2007, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: maAggie on November 13, 2007, 10:27:54 AM
I believe that Del Val should have received the ECAC bid from the MAC.

I think you actually have to be ABOVE the .500 mark to be considered....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 13, 2007, 11:08:46 AM
Quote from: maAggie on November 13, 2007, 10:27:54 AM
Perhaps they were a little down from the week before and the tough loss to Widener.

I would agree with the above statement, although it was the first time I have seen them, there was an obvious lack of excitement.  Funny how psycology plays such a big part from week to week. Overall, they should be proud of the 7-3 record and can carry that into next years season.  I may just be making a treck to Montclair this weekend to see how it all ends.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 13, 2007, 11:46:35 AM
QuoteI think you actually have to be ABOVE the .500 mark to be considered....

Salisbury got an ECAC bid last year at 5-5.  Plus I'm not sure if the Iona loss was officially counted against Del Val since they aren't Division III.

That said, I don't have a problem with Del Val not getting an ECAC bid at 5-5 or 5-4.  They played tough competition and were a few plays away from winning at least three games, but they didn't win those games.  Plus one of their loses came at home to 4-6 Wilkes.  That's the one they probably needed for an ECAC game.

Now that the season is officially over for Del Val, I'll also say I've enjoyed covering this year's group of seniors.  I started broadcasting Del Val games when they were freshmen and have enjoyed watching them grow as men on and off the field.  That's one of the real pluses of covering one team all the way through.  You get to see these guys mature as people which ends up being far more important in life than what they do on the field anyway.  The fact that they were good players who played with a lot of heart and passion was an added bonus.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 13, 2007, 05:08:05 PM
Nice piece (http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=2142) posted off the front page about Lycoming's Coach Frank Girardi.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 13, 2007, 05:38:35 PM
I am excited at the prospect of the WU game being on streaming video.  Given that my travel choice for the weekend came down to 2 choices...

1.  Go to CWRU and get divorced....or
2.  Go to Dutch Wonderland and watch straming video ::)

Go Pride!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on November 13, 2007, 06:25:08 PM
The live streaming video for me has been more of a slide show.  Although the archived games were fine.  Not sure if the problem is with my computer or not, but I've not had a similar problem with any other streams.  So don't get your hopes up too high for the look.

My worst experience was when the stop action looked  like the ref was signalling TD, only to find out he was just stopped in the midst of stopping the clock for OB.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 13, 2007, 10:08:47 PM
I'll give you some feedback as I will attempt to pull it in...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on November 14, 2007, 12:25:31 AM
PBR, PAT, GORDON.....Thanks for the good commontary and play by play this year as I now will sit back and enjoy the playsoffs and finally close it down for the holidays and look forward to next year. 

A safe and Happy Holidays to you guys and ALL of the MAC posters on this board.

GO Widner in the Playoffs

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chicks Dig the Long Ball on November 14, 2007, 01:35:47 PM
Congratulations to the 11 from Widener who garnered All-Mac honors. Keep on rolling this weekend out in Ohio.

Goodluck to Albright this weekend in their ECAC game.

Hopefully a few postseason wins will show that the MAC really wasn't that weak of a conference this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on November 14, 2007, 03:32:08 PM
I'd like to see some wins as well, but in my opinion, the MAC was weak this year.  I hope I'm proven wrong.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2007, 04:08:15 PM
Here is the previously referenced MAC All-Conference team:

http://www.mascac.org/football/postseason.html

Offensive MVP: Tanner Kelly, Albright

Defensive MVP: Kyle Follweiler, Wilkes

Rookie of the Year: Joe Favinger, Widener

Coach of the Year: Dave Wood, Widener

My only quibble on the major awards would be the coach and not because I have anything against Coach Wood.  But Coach Marzka took a program that went 2-8 and picked seventh preseason and then went 7-3 and came within 18 seconds of winning the conference.  Tough to top that.

Also noteworthy that the top two quarterbacks -- Kelly and Isgro -- are only sophomores.  Like John Port and Adam Knoblauch, it'll be fun to watch them continue their duel the next two years.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on November 14, 2007, 09:16:13 PM
The playoff capsules suggested that Widener has some injury issues as well.  Any one wish to share anything?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 14, 2007, 09:43:42 PM
cwru
WU has been dealing with injuries throughout the entire season. For the most part they are finally getting healthy. They have one question mark on D were one of the LB's probably will not be able to go this week. However, it is the first week that they are healthy on O with the starting tail back and his backup expected to return. I believe they are should be the healthiest they have been all season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on November 15, 2007, 07:55:07 AM
Thanx for the info.  CWRU also lost its then leading RB in game 4 as well.  But RB was going to be by committee.

Here's to both teams being and staying healthy and your trip to Cleeland being a safe one.  Latest weather calls for snow showers over night.  40 chance of precip on Sat about 40 at kickoff.

I expect a tight game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 16, 2007, 06:54:41 AM
I believe that if Widener can protect the football and win the battle of turnovers that they will come home with the victory tomorrow. They have come through enough times already this season and should be ready for the spotlight's hot glare! Go MAC!!! 

Prediction : Widener 24 - 17
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 16, 2007, 08:40:37 AM
Quote from: HANGTIME on November 14, 2007, 12:25:31 AM
PBR, PAT, GORDON.....Thanks for the good commontary and play by play this year as I now will sit back and enjoy the playsoffs and finally close it down for the holidays and look forward to next year. 

A safe and Happy Holidays to you guys and ALL of the MAC posters on this board.

GO Widner in the Playoffs

GO AGGIES!!!

hangtime have a great holiday season. (cant believe its just about turkey day and xmas holidays are on the horizon...) it was a great season by dvc. they played a very difficult schedule and even coming out of the gate at 0-3 they didnt get down and had a chance to win the mac.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on November 17, 2007, 03:15:36 PM
Tough game Widener.  Too bad one team had to lose.  You should have Pride!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 17, 2007, 11:50:26 PM
congrads to widener you played a hell of a game. thanks to all the mac teams for the great season and looking forward to next season
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 20, 2007, 07:08:23 PM
DVCFan

I am looking forward to next year already...

Looks like there will be some serious parity in the MAC next year...

PS  I think there was a problem with the scoreboard on Saturday...I couldn't find a Susquehanna, Juniata or Moravian score anywhere.... ::)

I guess the "Academic" conferences can play football too.. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 20, 2007, 09:47:22 PM
BOL!!!  +k


EDIT-- Congrats to DVC linebacker John Purcell being selected to play in the Div III All Star Aztec Bowl in Mexico.

http://delval.edu/athletics/football/news_21.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 22, 2007, 11:05:19 AM
congrads john great job. and i did notice that lack of susquehanna, moravian and juniata lol. i wonder what happened there :p. def cant wait to see the 2008 MAC race. do we have to play wesley and salisbury again? im not sure if it was a one year deal with them or not but id love to see them again playing MAC teams
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 22, 2007, 12:10:03 PM
dvcfan11

I am pretty sure that Wesley is playing Del Val in D'town next year.. And also playing Widener in Dover.  Happy Thanksgiving to all the Del Val faithful and the rest of the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 23, 2007, 06:09:54 AM
DVCFan11

Looking forward to playing both Wesley and Salisbury again next season on our turf. There certainly was no disgrace in losing to two top twenty teams. Played both games tough and both were winable contests. Had a 14 point lead on Wesley in the 3rd quarter and an unfortunate turn of events in less than a minute had the Aggies tied instead of 14 up on Salisbury. Playing such teams only helps the Aggies be ready for the MAC schedule. I do believe that they are trying to find a DIII  team to play and drop IAA Iona from the schedule. That game more than any I feel cost the Aggies the ECAC bid this season just because it does not count in their strength of schedule.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on November 24, 2007, 07:05:13 PM
Noticed that Del Valley shows an open date for the first game of next year. There are quite a few teams that would make for a good game.

Ursinus-- they lost LaSalle , but they scrimmage each other--unless they could find new a new scrimmage
Waynesburg
Wesley
Rochester

and quite a few others including an old MAC team Juniata.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 24, 2007, 10:14:05 PM
where did u see the 08 schedule from?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2007, 01:17:17 AM
Probably in our Open Dates section.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 25, 2007, 01:31:02 AM
Del Val already has Wesley on the schedule for next year.

Unless something has changed (which is possible), next year's schedule is set with the Aggies hosting Iona, Wesley and Salisbury to start the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on November 27, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
That is where I saw it in open dates.. If the SID do not update I can only print what I read. Sorry about that. But Juniata is still around.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 27, 2007, 08:56:45 PM
Quote from: old ends on November 27, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
That is where I saw it in open dates.. If the SID do not update I can only print what I read. Sorry about that. But Juniata is still around.

no worries old ends....its good to see some new blood around the board...so stick around and keep posting and tell other d-III fans about d3sports.com
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2007, 09:06:06 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 27, 2007, 08:56:45 PM
Quote from: old ends on November 27, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
That is where I saw it in open dates.. If the SID do not update I can only print what I read. Sorry about that. But Juniata is still around.

no worries old ends....its good to see some new blood around the board...so stick around and keep posting and tell other d-III fans about d3sports.com

Please! :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on November 29, 2007, 11:33:44 AM
PBR - Thank you, thank you, thank you for bringing back my 4 friends at the bottom of your posts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on November 29, 2007, 12:52:45 PM
I agree, they are NICE!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on December 04, 2007, 07:48:30 AM
Lyco News-

G has told his players it's time to move on and retire!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 04, 2007, 08:05:55 AM
cant find anything on it but if true congrats to coach G on a great career and the best of luck in retirement. he deserves it the man was a great coach and a better person for a long time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on December 04, 2007, 09:56:47 AM
Confirmation: Coach Frank Girardi has offically retired as the head football coach of the Lycoming Warriors.

News and other information will be on the Lycoming website later in the day.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on December 04, 2007, 01:50:25 PM
So as not to create any sense of rumor my son is a JR. at lyco and will miss"G".  A great Coach but better person
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 04, 2007, 01:53:22 PM
fyi jb you might want to hide your email address option listed in your profile it could save you some grief down the line...

EDIT:  News on coach G in local papers web page now and school's website...presser just wrapping up...

http://www.lycoming.edu/athletics/07Football/GirardiRetires.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on December 04, 2007, 08:33:02 PM
Div III football is going to miss Lycoming's coach Frank Girardi. A gentelman and a class act. Good luck COACH.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2007, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 04, 2007, 01:53:22 PM
fyi jb you might want to hide your email address option listed in your profile it could save you some grief down the line...

This option doesn't actually exist on this board. It's prohibited by the Terms of Service.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on December 05, 2007, 01:27:11 PM
Congratulations on a great career Coach Girardi.  Lyco was always a big game when I was a player.  You will be missed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 06, 2007, 08:48:26 AM
Coach G refers to all his players as his boys - but the truth is he helped them develop into men and some of them became lifelong Warriors who put down pads and helmets only to don body armor and kevlar pots upon graduation.

More than one Lycoming College football player is on active duty, serving this nation overseas and in some very dangerous assignments in some real nasty and hot places - Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

The Lycoming College flag has flown proudly wherever the national ensign has been unfurled during the War on Terror.  This is another aspect of Coach G's proud legacy and gift to America.  Make no mistake about it, America needs brave hearts to don gear and head into true battles that have very little to do with gridiron but everything to do with courage.  Such courage was often fostered on hot August days on sloping hillsides in Williamsport.

God bless you Coach G and all Lycoming veterans past and present and God Bless America!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 06, 2007, 09:02:07 AM
lyco80 as always its great to hear from you and see you posting...thank you again for your service hope all is well over in japan....(believe thats where u were last time u checked in...)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on December 06, 2007, 09:32:16 AM
LYCO80......Well stated message. Coach "G" will be missed....


Once again Happy Holidays to all the posters.....

GO AGGIES
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 06, 2007, 12:41:04 PM
Any speculation who takes over for Coach G? Will they look outside the program and hire an Assistant from another school like Albright or hire someone already on Staff? The Press release never indicated whether he was staying on as the Athletic Director, anyone know?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 06, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on December 06, 2007, 12:41:04 PM
Any speculation who takes over for Coach G? Will they look outside the program and hire an Assistant from another school like Albright or hire someone already on Staff? The Press release never indicated whether he was staying on as the Athletic Director, anyone know?

my guess would be both....look at existing staff and maybe even someone like gary brown who is from williamsport and played college ball at penn st. and went on to the nfl. then retired and was an asst. for coach G and now is OC at susquehanna
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2007, 01:16:23 PM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on December 06, 2007, 12:41:04 PM
The Press release never indicated whether he was staying on as the Athletic Director, anyone know?

I asked this question and was told it was up in the air.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 06, 2007, 05:11:30 PM
NOTE: THESE FINANCIAL $$$ HAVE BEEN FABRICATED FOR AN EXAMPLE!

One thing we must remember is the way his job(s) pay is structured.
At this level, when coaches hold more than one job, salaries tend to be broken up in strange ways as people stay longer and longer.
For example, G might have been getting paid most of his salary as the AD - let's say $50,000. He might only have been getting $10,000 a year as the coach.
Once he steps down as coach, the school has to do some financial restructuring in a hurry, because if he stays on as AD, the school needs to find a way to pay a new coach, give benefits, etc. They also may need to give a "raise" to G the A.D., because he's been saving the school money by doing two full time jobs for only one full time salary...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on December 06, 2007, 05:54:20 PM
Girardi, who will stay on as athletic director until further notice, didn't say how large a role he will play in the search. And Lycoming College President James Douthat said he has several candidates to interview as soon as possible, but did not specify.

This from the Williamsport paper Dec. 5th

I think Wiser (D coord) would be the leading candidate from within...  Gary Brown (GB) would be a viable outside candidate among many others.

Time will Tell...sounds if they want it done soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on December 06, 2007, 08:42:51 PM
Bill:

Please go to the south then to Centennial Conference postings on page 52. Look for Ralph Turners link D-III membership document. But before you do that drop down just a few more for the pay reference. I hope you may not have read it yet, but it sounds like you may have.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 06, 2007, 09:02:13 PM
old ends

Please don't take this as an attack; it's not.

What are you referencing in the document? I have read it before, I was just using the pay numbers because it was easy math. I am not making any attempt to disparage (sp?) coach G or his possible salary structure!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on December 06, 2007, 09:12:22 PM
I understand your point. And I thought you may have. Plus your explanation on your originial was very good.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 07, 2007, 12:54:32 PM
Today let us remember our Soldiers and Sailors who lost their lives at Pearl Harbor and those who survived the attack in our prayers and thoughts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 07, 2007, 09:24:27 PM
We are currently assigned to duty in Japan.  Pearl Harbor day is observed here on 8 December on account of the time zone differences.  The Japanese regard it as a true military victory - which of course it was, but yet, the facts is General Douglas MacArthur's plane landed in Atsugi (site of our Naval Air Facility to this day) on 30 August 1945 and we are still here.

It is a very dangerous thing to underestimate one's opponent or overestimate one's ability whether on the field of play in DIII football or in international relations.

We visited Pearl Harbor and the USS ARIZONA.  Just yards away is the USS MISSOURI where the war ended.  Interesting irony.

Another tidbit from history - General MacArthur, upon landing in Atsugi - took a staff car ride to Yokohama - the road was flanked by Japanese soldiers at attention - 35,000 of them facing out and along the entire 25km distance.  MacArthur checked in to the Hotel New Grand and stayed in the very suite he and Jean occupied in 1937 on their way to Manila.  On 31 August he welcomed LtGen Wainwright, survivor of the Bataan Death March and Japanese imprisonment.  When the peace treaty was signed on the MISSOURI MacArthur arranged for the very flag Commodore Dewey brought ashore in Kurihama in 1854 to be on the quarterdeck of the MISSOURI. 

How is that for irony???

God Bless America, and all her sons and daughters who have served, bled or died to preserve our way of life.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 07, 2007, 09:31:02 PM
MacArthur definitely rubbed it in, but so did Halsey, he made sure that some of the Battleships that were sunk and refloated at Pearl were anchored in Tokyo bay for the surrender.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on December 10, 2007, 11:13:29 AM
Hey Pat,

How about updating the pick em list. 

Quick question, where do I pick up my new El Camino after I win the whole thing next week?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on December 10, 2007, 04:52:57 PM
Looks like Del Val has an open date on 9/6/08.  So does Hobart.  C'mon PBR make it happen!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 11, 2007, 07:32:32 AM
you know tgp pbr was thinkin' just that!!! if it happens the rev, tgp, pbr will have to take in the game...will be mandatory...pbr is going to email appropriate people and suggest this early season matchup! btw great to see dvc lb john pursell do very well in the aztec bowl....

http://www.delval.edu/athletics/football/news_22.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 19, 2007, 04:55:31 AM
I need, in order to remain honest, to correct an error in a recent posting.  It was Commodore Perry who came ashore in Kurihama, Japan, not Dewey.  Commodore Dewey, whose flagship the OLYMPIA may be visited at Penn's Landing in Philadelphia, is known for uttering the famous nautical quote, "You may fire when ready, Gridley."  Whereupon the Spanish Fleet was shortly turned into artificial reefs at the bottom of Manila Bay during the Spanish American War.  That was some 45 years after Perry made landfall in Japan.

Still - got to love how MacArthur put that twist into the surrender - when we last came to you folks with this flag it was in peace - now war; which do you prefer?

History is almost as much fun as the LLPP!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all posters from one of America's sons serving overseas.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 19, 2007, 09:52:01 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 19, 2007, 04:55:31 AM
I need, in order to remain honest, to correct an error in a recent posting.  It was Commodore Perry who came ashore in Kurihama, Japan, not Dewey.  Commodore Dewey, whose flagship the OLYMPIA may be visited at Penn's Landing in Philadelphia, is known for uttering the famous nautical quote, "You may fire when ready, Gridley."  Whereupon the Spanish Fleet was shortly turned into artificial reefs at the bottom of Manila Bay during the Spanish American War.  That was some 45 years after Perry made landfall in Japan.

Still - got to love how MacArthur put that twist into the surrender - when we last came to you folks with this flag it was in peace - now war; which do you prefer?

History is almost as much fun as the LLPP!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all posters from one of America's sons serving overseas.

Go Warriors!

ATB

the truth shall set you free lyco!! btw as much as people dont want to admit it they all read the LLPP and get plenty-o-chuckles and information from the board...call it a guilty pleasure if u will....have a great holiday overseas and stay safe to you and all of our military peeps this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on December 22, 2007, 07:30:11 PM
Happy Holidays to all !!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on December 31, 2007, 06:32:26 PM
To all have a safe and Happy New Year !!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on January 10, 2008, 07:39:40 PM
Ecac Southeast All-Stars have been posted. you can see them at:
www.ecac.org

click on all stars then Southeast conference

Congradulations to those selected
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 10, 2008, 10:23:14 PM
no dvc players ...bogus pbr says.... >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 10:43:45 AM
Well, at least they only name 11 on a side, so it's not like they water down like Don Hansen and a lot of all-conference teams do.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2008, 10:45:12 AM
I would not at all pick A.J. Roque over Tanner Kelly, however, having watched both quarterbacks this season. (And Roque twice.) That team is really NJAC-heavy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 11, 2008, 11:23:24 AM
totally agree guru...heck on hansens list gro and regulator are still receiving honorable mention votes   ;)   but it seems very strange that at a minimum john purcell LB from dvc isnt on the list...and its not easy by any stretch to do a list and i understand that but come on this list seems like a ecac nj all star list rather than a regional list
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on January 17, 2008, 08:03:44 AM
I'm shocked that Lycoming College did not hire Steve Wiser as their new head coach.  You would think that someone who gave over 30 years of coaching would be given a chance.  I wonder how this will affect alumni and recruiting as well as returning players. 

http://sungazette.com/page/category.detail/nav/5017/Local_Sports.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 17, 2008, 08:26:52 AM
probably wasnt an easy choice...but they did still pick one of their own as the new head coach...my guess would be they wanted a little more youth even though as you say wiser has given alot of blood to the school over the years and that should of weighed heavily....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Little G on January 17, 2008, 12:18:04 PM
The entire process was a slap in my father's face. He was not involved in any of the decisions. Apparently loyality and respect are a thing of the past. Steve Wiser and our entire staff are in shock. I would not be surprised if the entire staff is not there next year. I, myself have retired. It is a dark day in Lycoming Football history >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 12:45:43 PM
Sometimes the popular choice isn't always the best -- it may comfort Lyco fans to know that UW-Whitewater fans were bitching and moaning for weeks about their coaching hire about a year ago after longtime coach Bob Berezowitz retired. UWW didn't hire who the fans wanted, didn't hire the so-called heir apparent, but chose an alumnus who was coaching elsewhere.

And Lance Leipold's team only won the national title.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Little G on January 17, 2008, 01:01:12 PM
apples and oranges. Was whitewaters assistant that didn't get the job there 34 years prior to that?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on January 17, 2008, 01:11:13 PM
Pat,
I think another difference with the Lyco situation and what Whitewater did is that I know Wiser personally.  I'm not just a fan who is unhappy about the hire.  I think the fallout from this will be substantial.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 01:11:30 PM
The assistant that didn't get the job had been offensive coordinator for the past 16 years at the time he was not hired.

The only thing apples and oranges about this is that Lyco hasn't been to the Stagg Bowl the past two years.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: john merrick on January 17, 2008, 01:11:13 PM
Pat,
I think another difference with the Lyco situation and what Whitewater did is that I know Wiser personally.  I'm not just a fan who is unhappy about the hire.  I think the fallout from this will be substantial.

Many people knew Stan Zwiefel personally and were just as unhappy. This only makes it different to you, it doesn't make it different overall.

Again, I'm just trying to show that not all fan reactions turn out to be warranted.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 01:19:27 PM
Start here and read down. It's many, many pages of reaction:

Quote from: kirasdad on December 29, 2006, 10:19:44 AM
Someone posted this on the Daily Dose:

Quoteacoltfan Says:
The 29th of December, 2006 at 10:06 am

Last night Paul Plinske AD at UW-Whitewater offered the head coaching job to Lance Leipold because Stan Zweifel failed "to connect with administration" during the interview process. The AD felt intimidated by Stan and decided to hire a coach he could work with rather than the best coach available. It is a shame for UW-W and their prgoram who had gotten to a new level BECAUSE of Stan–he had brought every current coach (except Brez) to UW-W and has recruited 95% of their playres for 16 years (including the 28-2 stretch).

Can anyone else verify this?

Quote from: Sakman 1111 on December 29, 2006, 10:30:14 AM
It's true......Players have been calling the house all morning....I am simply sick....In one idiotic move Whitewater football has become mediocre.....I will not set foot in the stadium again.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on January 17, 2008, 01:31:19 PM
Pat,
My point is not that they hired a bad coach, it's that after giving 30+ years to a college.  You should be given a shot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on January 17, 2008, 01:45:49 PM
Also, I'm not talking about wins and losses or the Stagg Bowl.  I'm talking about loyalty and respect.  Respect to let the face of Lyco football have a say in his successor.  For Coach G to have no say in who the next football coach would be is a travesty. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Little G on January 17, 2008, 01:47:24 PM
I think there are also some more differences. 34 years compared to 16. Also Wise is an alum and played for Lyco for 4 years. He's also in our Hall of fame. I respect your opinion, but I think in this case you are not aware of all the facts. I am also not just a casual fan. Frank Girardi is also my Father. Again, it's a dark day in Lyco history.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2008, 02:01:03 PM
I think long-time is long-time. I know 34 is a big number but it's not like 16 is five or anything.

I'm not trying to belittle your opinion and I know you are in a different situation than most fans, but for MOST fans, I'm trying to say that it's not all doom and gloom when a school doesn't hire the heir apparent.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KitchenSink on January 17, 2008, 02:29:31 PM
I agree with Pat C - I see a lot of parellels to the Whitewater scene last year.  There was a ton of Chicken-Littling going on after Leipold was hired.  I wanted badly to be patient and see how it went - mostly because the new coach had a pretty solid resume (not to mention the appropriate school name on a diploma).  And so far, it's worked out pretty durn good.  ;D

Coach Clark appears to have strong attributes, and is an alum.  Get behind him, and keep supporting the team and school.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Little G on January 17, 2008, 02:44:34 PM
Kitchen Sink,
                    Alot easier to say from the outside looking in. I have been a part of Lycoming 39 of my 41 years on earth. Again, I know these things happen in athletics, but the entire process from start to finish was a slap in the face to my father and our family. This will not be easily forgotten!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 17, 2008, 03:14:12 PM
Wow - talk about emotion from the Warrior elite!

As a faithful contributing alumnus I must say Mike Clark's selection came as a bit of a surprise to me also.  I know Steve and he is legendary as a player and a Defensive Coordinator and coach.  Lycoming has always been famous for its D from the time of the mid-70s.  If you take a breath and look at the teams that have been most successful they have combined tenacious defense with productive offense and excellence on special teams.  The run of MAC championships in the mid to late 90s was such a combination of talent.

Recently the offense has tanked - check the stats not your feelings.  I do not know about the process or who was involved but I am optimistic about Lycoming's football future with a new coach who brings an offensive mind-set to to the game.  Must I point out what happened at DelVal after they hired a similar fellow called Magnus?

Perhaps the hiring process recognized the need for an infusion of offense to get the program back on track - defense only keeps the score at 0-0.  The winners in D-III light up the scoreboard usually.

If the entire staff leaves that will be sad - but teams rebuild and life goes on.

If the G family is upset that saddens me.  If Steve feels overlooked that disappoints me.  But the goal for all teams and coaching staffs is ringing the victory bell and that is something that has not happened as frequently in Williamsport recently.  Perhaps it is time for an overhaul.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 17, 2008, 03:38:10 PM
wow...not sure where to begin...obviously there is ALOT of emotion and open wounds right now...i would of hoped that the admin would asked coach G for his opinion and put alot of weight in that as well as team members. i can understand admin wanting a new direction and put their own stamp on the program i if you tell me they didnt ask for coach g's opinion that is pretty cold.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on January 17, 2008, 04:35:27 PM
Wow!
    I was sort of surprise but not shock by the hiring at lyco.  I thought that wiser would have been given a few more points in the process, but maybe lyco admin thought it was best to go in another direction and cut ties with current coaches.
   My son was 1 of 4 current players who also interviewed the candidates for the job.  He was surprised when he found out a couple days ago.  The feeling with current players was Wiser was the right choice! 
    LITTLE G, take comfort in knowing that your DAD and your family have provide direction for many young men throughout the years, and all of their success is a direct result of that direction.  G is one of the reasons my son is at LYCO.  I know my son and every other player will do everything they can to honor G with a successful 2008 season. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KitchenSink on January 17, 2008, 11:05:05 PM
While asking the outgoing coach about hiring thoughts has some merit, I think that in some circumstances can carry a bit of risk.  Is there a possibility that you end up with a try at copying the old way, that falls short?  I guess there is risk whenever you make a change.  Well, the school hires the coach, they're the ones accountable.  Lycoming has a pretty solid athletic program, so somebody must be making some good decisions.

If I was an outgoing coach, I'd like to think I would avoid ranking the candidates.  I think that's the school's job.  Plus I'd find it at least a little difficult to compare an current assistant to an ex-player & coach who has been off campus for some time.

Little G, I'm sure it's a tough spot for many involved.  You want to beleive that the decision was made with the football program's long term goals in mind.  I would only suggest that when the dust settles you hang in there.  You are certainly entitled to harbor a wait&see attitude.

I wish the Warriors fans the best.  Love that name, by the way.  Marquette should still be the Warriors, too .....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Little G on January 18, 2008, 07:52:36 AM
1st I want to reply to jb. Thank you for your kind words and support. I will sadly miss the Lycoming Football program. I will miss the family orientied atomoshere that once was at Lyco, and I will mostly miss the players that I have learned to love and respect. I wish them much success.
Lyco 80. Yes offensively we have struggled lately, but if you truly knew about Div III football you would know that the playing field is not always level. Acedemic standards for the schools in the MAC are different. I don't want to take anything from GA, del val or any other MAC school. But we were getting beat by alot of kids that preferred Lyco, but could not get in. Again, I don't blame school, because if we could get them in we would have also. As for the 3 people on the hiring commitee, their knowledge of Football is minimal at best. Offense wasn't the consideration. The man with the most money talked the loudest. Now, you say you wouldn't want to rank the candidates. When have you ever built a program from nothing into a National powerhouse or spent 36 years at an institution that you gave everything to? As for your comment on Lycoming's solid athletic programs. Guess who built them also? The AD since 1985, which also happens to be the same head coach that they didn't include in the hiring process. There is more to this decision than people know from the outside.
Lastly, I am finding out the character of alot of people during this process and I don't like what I see. Loyality is an easy word to say, but apparently it's a hard word to apply!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 18, 2008, 08:31:16 AM
>>> I don't want to take anything from GA, del val or any other MAC school.<<<

Then dont stoop to spewing bogus info and taking cheap shots at all the other MAC schools. Your father had class show a little yourself. My sister is a lyco grad and i have been to many lyco football games and have the utmost respect for your father and his staff i would like to think the same about you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Little G on January 18, 2008, 10:28:33 AM
uPBRmeASAP,
                     I appreciate your response and the kind words about my father and his program, but bogus information,that kind of strong. If you read my response, I said that I don't blame school for their decisions, because we would do the same thing if allowed. I think that you are trying to stir things up. Have a great day.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 18, 2008, 11:00:32 AM
Little G,

I have followed Lycoming footbball for 30 years, missed the first Stagg Bowl appearance because of a thing called Desert Storm,  sat in the stands for the remarkable comeback against Rowan in the snow and then hosted 20 students in our home and then drove the next day to Salem for the beat down by MUC, contributed money throughout this time, and served on the Alumni Association Executive Board for many years.  Your comment about my general knowledge or ignorance of D-III football or the academic entrance requirements at Lycoming in particular or the MAC in general is inaccurate and symptomatic of your pain.

Your father and family are deserved icons for the college, Williamsport, the MAC, and D-III football let that be your legacy. 

Lastly, I categorically reject the suggestion that smart young men cannot make good football players. 

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Little G on January 18, 2008, 12:02:26 PM
Lyco 80,
          When did I say that smart young men can't make good football players? I played for Lyco and I consider myself,my brother ,my brother inlaw and the over 3,000 young men that played for my father  intelligent and he was able to win 257 games. Can you truly say that all is equal in Div III. Again, you are trying to get something started that isn't there.  Thank you for your response ,your support of my father and your duty to our country. Because of the latter, we can discuss these issues openly. Maybe some day we can talk at a Lyco game. I don't know who you are,but you know who I am. Have a great weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 18, 2008, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: Little G on January 18, 2008, 10:28:33 AM
uPBRmeASAP,
                     I appreciate your response and the kind words about my father and his program, but bogus information,that kind of strong. If you read my response, I said that I don't blame school for their decisions, because we would do the same thing if allowed. I think that you are trying to stir things up. Have a great day.

not trying to stir things up at all. this argument has been tilled over and over on these boards. i am not going to bring it up again everyone has their beliefs and knowledge of this "academic standard". i wish nothin but the best for your father and your family. he left one heckuva legacy and tradition at lyco.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 18, 2008, 01:18:07 PM
Isn't Michael Clark a Lycoming alumus? At least the school hired someone with ties to the school. Look around at the college football landscape ( all divisions). Most schools want to start fresh with their hires. Even at divison 1A most schools look to the outside. Other that West Virginia and Hawaii, all the other hires this off season have come from the outside. Lycoming's new coach is a spring board to the futue. Hopefully Coach Wiser decides to stay and can be a link to the past.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on January 18, 2008, 01:47:08 PM
With all of these speculations about Lycoming, i think that what is being most overlooked in this situation is the team and the players. What happened to wise is not right. What happened to G is certainly not right, seeing as hes an icon of the school and D3. But reading articles online and hearing from kids at school it seems that some coaches are backing out without talkin to the kids...

It has always been loyalty at lyco, i dont know what to think of this.

I think wise is a great coach he shouldnt be mad at the team, but at the school. he obv loves football why not bring lyco back, he had one of the top defenses in the mac last year....BRING IT BACK WISE
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on January 18, 2008, 01:50:54 PM
Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD,

You're assuming the new coach would hire Wise.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on January 18, 2008, 01:55:57 PM
Im not assuming that the hire will happen. Im saying what happened in williamsport is sad with the way admin handled it. I like Wise as a coach and i feel that if Lyco is to return to its true form that Coach Clark should at least sit down with wise and discuss the future of the TEAM because thats ultimatly what it comes down to.

thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on January 18, 2008, 01:59:08 PM
Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD,
You write, "Bring it back Wise."

Tough to do if he's not on the staff.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 18, 2008, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: Little G on January 18, 2008, 07:52:36 AM
Lyco 80. " Acedemic standards for the schools in the MAC are different. I don't want to take anything from GA, del val or any other MAC school. But we were getting beat by alot of kids that preferred Lyco, but could not get in. Again, I don't blame school, because if we could get them in we would have also."

Little G,

Cited above are your words that seem contradictory to your most recent post "When did I say that smart young men can't make good football players?"

The answer to your question seems embedded in the above paragraph.

Perhaps what you really mean is that Lycoming's academic admission standards are tougher now than before.  That is probably true and can be proven if we check facts like test scores, class standing, etc. against previous years.

Regardless, it seems clear to me the decision to bring in Mike Clark was likely based on a number of factors not readily apparent to us.  Your argument is not with me, however, I stand by my comments and observations.  Understandably you feel justified in your opinions given the contributions you and your family made to Lycoming.  Funny, I feel the same way too.

ATB   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 18, 2008, 02:29:10 PM
John Merrick, Do you have inside information that Coach Wiser WILL NOT be back?. Who has the final say in this matter, Coach Clark or Coach Wiser????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on January 18, 2008, 02:33:13 PM
BTEXPRESS,
I do not have inside info on whether Coach Wise will stay or not.  But who ever heard of a coach from another staff just deciding to stay?  Hasn't the incoming coach always had that say?  Coach Wise can't just decide he's staying, the incoming coach would have to want him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 18, 2008, 02:53:54 PM
I could be wrong, I don't have any hard data, but usually Division III schools do not turn over entire staffs when a new Head Coach is named. It is not like Division I where an entire staff is fired with the old coach. Take a look at Albright last year, most of the staff stayed after they got a new Head coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on January 18, 2008, 03:17:21 PM
I think....and this is only me

If Wiser wants to stay... I believe there's a spot to be "D" coordinator.  I also think that several other coaches might be kept.  This is all contingent on Coach Clark extending the offer!  Coach Clark can not afford to come in with no knowledge of this team other than film.  This 2008 team has the talent to make a run at the MAC if certain position players play well.

A question To Little G...  If wise would have been hire would you feel different about the search and process to replace your father?  And can Wise bury any ill felling about the process and still coach at lyco?

Again thanks for all you and your family has done and sacrifriced over the years!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on January 18, 2008, 03:22:55 PM
Would PSU not listen to JoePa about his replacement?  Is there anything he could do about it anyway?

Did Lyco listen to G, but saw something more in Coach Davis?

The lyco family has alot of unanswered questions, but the young men who laced them up every saturday are priority!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 18, 2008, 05:58:42 PM
jb,

I think there are competing, or at least, overlapping priorities, resident in this discussion.

First, and paramount in importance, are the current players.

Second, the school's image, reputation, etc.

Third, the alumni, which translates into donors and benefactors.

Fourth, age.  And I am sure I am out on a limb here and opening myself up to a great deal of criticism.  But Mike Clark is probably 37.  Coach G was with Lycoming for his entire career spanning four decades.  While we will not know until later, Coach Clark has the possibility of such a tenure too. 

Fifth, as already posted, Lycoming's offense struggled the last 3-4 years and from his resume Coach Clark reads like an offensive phenom.

All these reasons have nothing to do with process only outcome.  Personally I would prefer that Coach G had input and would have been pleased with Steve as the selection. 

Another poster decried the influence of money in the outcome - let me point out we live in a capitalist society and money is often the loudest voice in the room.  That does not mean it is right, though.

It is amazing to me how many posters this brought out of the woodwork who were silent most of the year.  It is refreshing to read that I am not the only Lycoming poster out in the ether.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: The Observation Deck on January 18, 2008, 09:21:00 PM
At 3-7 last year maybe it would be better if the new coach came in without any knowledge of last year's players.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on January 19, 2008, 11:32:37 AM
Deck that's alittle harsh...if you followed sport enough you know that a record with numbers never tells the whole story.

I'll be honest I think Lyco playing so many freshman this past year was their downfall(3-7).  Wiser was looking for that next golden child that didn't exist on D, and some young men on O just need to develop some poise in gametime situations,  G didn't leave the closet empty of talent.  Several games COULD have been wins that weren't, that why the games are played.

But Lyco could have easily been 6-4 in a very competitive MAC conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: remote on January 22, 2008, 08:42:50 AM
Little G:

I am sad that you can not support a former teammate and staff member.
Clark seems to be a great fit for Lyco and you are showing some real immaturity by saying it is a dark day.

Wiser lacked something, face it you dont do a search if he had "it". He doesnt and the intellegent people at Lyco made a decision that will benefit lyco fb for a long time.

I hope you enjoy your retirement, I also hope that Coach Clark does not ever consider you on his staff.

The future is bright....your comments are not!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Little G on January 22, 2008, 02:49:12 PM
Remote,
          Wow that's a pretty harsh assesment. I realize you don't know all that went on behind the scenes, so if you would be so kind to let me know who you are ( since of course I didn't hide my identity) I would love to let you know why I came about my decision. I will be surprised if you answer.

Have a great day.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 22, 2008, 03:34:03 PM
well his email address gives you a little clue....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2008, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on January 22, 2008, 03:34:03 PM
well his email address gives you a little clue....

Funny -- I was thinking the exact same thing. He didn't hide his identity at all either.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HouseCalls on January 22, 2008, 04:47:58 PM
Remote,
You are so dumb. How about I write you an IEP, your so dumb? I'll make some modifications to your brain and this post site for you.  I am serious.  Any Middle Atlantic Conference Coach has the respect for Coach Wiser's defensive and what Wiser means to the program. The people who you say are so smart that made the correct decision on the coaching change don't know anything about Lyco's Program and loyalty to the program.  Wiser has done more positive things for the college and program over the years then any of those smart people that decide his fate.  It's a sad month for Lyco.  Coach G is a great coach and the godfather of coaches in the Middle Atlantic Conference but when you say Lycoming College Football you say Coach Girardi and Coach Wiser in the same sentence. Wiser is  one of the main backbones to the program. The godfather needs a right hand man to count on all the time and that was Wiser.  The college could count on Wiser but the college turned on him.  I've coached with both Clark and Wiser. Clark is a great guy and knowledgeable of the game. Wiser is even a greater coach than Clark. He has helped Lycoming College to two national championships Games and look at all the MAC Championships Wiser has been part of. It is a Shock to the Lyco Nation.

Remote, I will  make a HouseCall to dropoff your IEP.     :'( 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: remote on January 22, 2008, 06:52:40 PM
Ok so when you disagree around here you are called Dumb. OK I am dumb.

I am sure that you can crack the code of who I am. I am not hiding.

My question was how are you going to turn your back on an alumn who has been a part of that family for many years?

I get you are upset about Wiser not getting the job, but to turn around and say i retire and it is a dark day for Lyco FB is really unfair to Clark.

I love G and would do anything for him and I think Wiser is an excellent Def Coor. He obviosly wasnt what they were looking for as Head Coach.

So your horse is in the race and he doesnt win so the whole race is wrong...come on lets be above that.

Housecalls-- Come Drop off my IEP...That is funny...I will be waitng for it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 22, 2008, 08:26:34 PM
remote pbr thinks it has more to do w/ your tone than message...you were more than a little harsh and not taking into consideration the emotions right now running threw the coach g's family and the coaching staff. fine you may have a difference in opinion on how the coaching decision worked out but you dont seem to take into consideration the raw emotions and open wounds. there are alot of people that feel betrayed whether or not you feel its right to have those feelings you came down pretty hard on people imho w/o stepping back and seeing things thru their eyes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4warriors on January 22, 2008, 08:52:32 PM
I'll say right off the bat that although I enjoy reading everyone's comments, I don't usually get involved in the message board.  But due to the emotional and sometimes heated discussions about the Lyco situation, I wanted to say a few things...take them for what you will.  First of all, no matter what you feel about the coaching choice made, it is an absolute travesty that coach G didn't get to sit on the hiring committee.  Many coaches, even some in the MAC, are given the respect to name thier successors.  Besides being the former coach, he's also the AD, and after everything he's done for the college, he wasn't even given the respect of a vote.  2nd, doesn't loyalty mean anything anymore?  Yes, Mike Clark is an alumni, but that doesn't even hold a candle to the loyalty that Wise has shown to Lyco.  After all the blood, sweat, years, & tears he poured into the program, the man @ least deserved  a shot.  If he wasn't getting the job done--fire him--but after 30+ successful years, the man at least deserved a chance.  Next, the whole interview process seemed a bit shady.  After the 3 candidates were chosen and interview dates were scheduled, a new candidate came into the picture.  I would like to say that I have a lot of respect for the coaches out there that didn't apply because they've all seen what Wise has done over the years & knew this was his time to get a chance to lead the Warriors.  The committee was made up of the Director of Admissions & Financial Aide, the new Provost, & a wealthy community member.  The assistant AD was also on the committee; however, was not allowed a vote.  It is pretty clear that Wise wasn't "their man", & they weren't going to allow anyone a vote that didn't agree.   A few people posted for Wise & the staff to stay.  Wow, after the way things were handled, that would be a hard pill to swallow.  I don't know what Wise is going to do, but I don't think anyone should blame him, or any others from the staff for not returning.  They've worked on a loyal, family-oriented coaching staff for a long time and now, much is different.  Unfortunatley, the players are the innocent casualty in this.  They wanted Wiser as their next head coach and the voting committee didn't care what they wanted either.  From what I've heard, the kids are supporting the coaching staff in whatever decision they make.  Unfortunately, the way this entire thing was handled has left a bad taste in peoples' mouths & will probably have an effect on Lycoming football for some time.  I think Little G has been taking it kind of tough.  While some view his comments as being unloyal to the college, he has remained steadfast in his devotion to his dad.  That in itself deserves some respect.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 22, 2008, 09:37:02 PM
well said 4warriors...couldnt been stated better by anyone. a perfect recap and capture of the feelings right now... +k
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HouseCalls on January 23, 2008, 12:45:36 AM
Well put 4warriors. I know who you are 4Warriors. How have you been? I am just teaching in the ghetto of Harrisburg. Lately I am getting good at ducking and diving at recess. (bullets and gun fire) But we keep on teaching.



Remote I will bring that IEP over but I think we might have to do a Re-evalution on you. Because dam nobody updated your old IEP and ER. :D

Just another HOUSECALL for me.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on January 23, 2008, 03:53:20 PM
Well spoken 4warrior, my son (current warrior) echoes alot of your thoughts as well.

House calls...where do you teach?  I grew up in the shadow of FOOSE school.....and was a shooting gallery back then.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HouseCalls on January 23, 2008, 04:42:33 PM
I teach at Foose and the neighborhood is crazy. It would be a good reality show for tv.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on January 24, 2008, 03:45:40 PM
Housecalls.....not to get all retro....but my 2nd grade teacher was Mrs. Fernbaugh who retire last year after 35 years I believe. 

And we're good friends of  Mrs. Watson and family(to include Kenny!)

Good luck teaching in HBG.  there are many great people in that community that tends not to be reported, they only the shootings are news.

13-J Hall Manor, 1 row down from foose, aaahhhh  the memories!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: john merrick on January 29, 2008, 07:50:21 AM
Steve Wiser has resigned from Lycoming.

http://sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/504854.html?nav=5017
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 29, 2008, 01:23:57 PM
 According to the article, It sounds like all the assistant coaches were offered to stay. That is usually what happens at the division III level. I do have a question, I am assuming the Head Coach position is a full time position. Was Coach Wiser a part time coach since he was a teacher? Anyone know.??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on January 29, 2008, 02:57:34 PM
Wise was full time at Lyco since retiring from Williamsport HS
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 29, 2008, 03:37:10 PM
Blue & Gold, Thanks, I knew there were a couple of Full Time coaches on the staff, and thought Coach Wiser was one of them, but was not sure after reading the article. Any word on wether the other coaches will stay?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on January 29, 2008, 06:18:48 PM
As of right now, the only coaches are Coach Clark ( head coach), Coach Digacinto (OL), Coach Ross (DL/Spec. team). Coach Digacinto and Clark are the only full time left. Coach Curry is retiring after this semester.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 30, 2008, 05:35:05 AM
I am sorry Steve retired but want to publicly thank him for all his energy, passion and commitment to the development of the Lycoming Warrior student-athlete.  College days are fun-filled and way too short but if used appropriately you may make life-long friends and, in turn, learn life-long lessons.  This is the Girardi-Wiser legacy.  It is now up to a new generation to take the baton and run with it.

I shall miss seeing Steve in shorts, prowling on the sidelines, exhorting his D to takeaways and third down stops.

Best wishes Steve and thanks for years of greatness!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 30, 2008, 09:46:51 AM
Isn't this the height of recruiting season? If Lycoming only has two full time and one part timer on the staff, they must really be working the phones. It is a shame for the program that most of the old staff is not coming back. One can only hope for the best that Coach Clark will be able to put a new staff together and turn things around for the once proud program.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on January 30, 2008, 03:40:46 PM
BT

I obviously can't speak for Lyco, but remember, most schools in the MAC don't have more than 3 (including the head coach) full-timers.
In other words, 2 full time guys out on the road recruiting isn't that bad. At FDU, we have had many a year where there's only been 2 guys out on the road, when various staff changes occur in the off-season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 30, 2008, 05:24:49 PM
Bill, I really wasn't thinking about guys on the road, just enough coaches to make phone calls to follow up with recruits. My son is a Senior in High School and is involved with the division III Football recruiting process right now. He has spent the last three weekends at various schools and each of the schools has had their entire staff there to meet  and answer questions. Some parents ask a lot more detailed questions on the Football side of things than I do IE What kind of Offense, Defense, who is going to coach my son  etc. To be honest, my son has spent more time with Assistant Coaches than the Head Coaches. Until we went through this ourselves, I didn't really know who much RECRUITING actually goes on in Division III. I thought it was only Division I players who were recruited with phone calls, letters, notes etc.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on January 31, 2008, 06:21:27 AM
BT,

My son was recruited by Coach G when we visited the campus one summer - and he played soccer but was a strapping lad and still is.  Come to think of it, he still has some eligibility left - maybe I should call Coach Clark?????

It is a proverbial jungle out there looking for talent - especially the kind that grows in height and weight from Frosh to Sr.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 31, 2008, 10:38:16 AM
Lyco, I think recruiting in Divison III is so hard for these colleges. It is not like Division I where $$$$ is not an issue. Most of the time it comes down to Financial packages, i.e, merit schlolarships and financial aid. If two schools are equal, then it might come down to coaches, winning tradition, facilities etc. I am amazed on how much $$$$ these Division III schools are putting into their facilities now between, new football stadiums, field turf, weight rooms, fitness centers etc. It is a great time to be a division III football player.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Little G on February 01, 2008, 10:51:57 AM
BTexpress,
               If you are, who I think you are, then any team will be lucky to have a kid with great family genes. You will always be one of the best we've had!! Enjoy the process and good luck to you,your boy, and your family.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on February 04, 2008, 07:32:27 PM
Sounds like Wilkes play Muhlenberg on 9/6. No longer a scrimmage.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on February 10, 2008, 11:39:37 PM
Just got news that Steve Wiser has come back to be the Defensive Coord. at Lyco, Comes as a HUGE SURPRISE. Apparently Coach Clark had a meeting with the team and said he had one of the top d coords in the nation brought in. Turns out it was Wiser. Also Mike Weber came back as a Linebacker coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on February 11, 2008, 08:00:16 AM
I also heard that news via phonecall!

Thanks for update Dre.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on February 11, 2008, 11:17:22 PM
I've waited long enough...Now it's my turn...I am still pissed off about the decision the three non-Wise men made...Now that Coach Wiser, Weber and others have decided to come back and more importantly, the current players are ok with it, then I guess I can get over it...Maybe...A women in today's Williamsport paper said it best that "With power comes responsibility"...

http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/505350.html

No ill will intended towards our new head Coach, especially since he's one of our own and a former offensive lineman at that!...BUT...No matter how much frankincense, gold and myrrh the three powerful non-Wise men used in making their irresponsible decision, the stench from it will always be present in the near and distant future no matter how many titles, if any, lie ahead...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on February 12, 2008, 07:46:26 AM
Simba,

Glad to see that this brouhaha brought you up to see your shadow in a posting sort of way.  It is always refreshing to here from a brother alumnus and one who uses the phrase "pancaked him" in a posting.

I have not had much contact with the school since our assignment to Japan.  Were I stateside I would not hesitate to pick up the phone and call Dr. Douthat and express my concerns - and I know he would listen even if not being able to respond in a way that would appease me.

The process still puzzles me, however, my hat is definitely off to Mike Clark and his powers of persuasion and his sense of duty and loyalty.  He is not responsible for the choice only for the consequences.  We both hope he leads the team to many victories that only add to the legend Coach G built with great players like yourself.

In time, I am sure I will get the real scoop about what happened and why but it will take time and our re-assignment back to driving distance to Williamsport.  When that time comes we will rally in some parking lot, share a brew, a hug and the story.  Until then - as always - GO WARRIORS!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 4warriors on February 13, 2008, 09:05:58 PM
With Wise's decision to stay, he just pulled the program out of a HUGE hole. Although I'm glad for the players, I'm not happy that the "non-Wisemen" that made this desicion are relishing in this.  They didn't want Wise's name or face as the head coach of the Warriors, but after they've felt some heat from the alumni, heat that I believe they underestimated, they want him there to make it look like everything is fine and everyone is (or should be) OK with how things went.  The "non-wisemen" do not want Wise there b/c they feel he's the best guy for the job (which he is); they want him there to calm the waters.  No matter what coaches go back, nothing will change the way Coach G was treated throughout the entire process.  That is something I hope people, especially people who know and/or played for G, will never forget.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 21, 2008, 01:03:22 PM
PBR just wishes the DVC wrestling team (currently ranked 4th in the nation) the best of luck this weekend in the Midwest Regionals as they look to defend their crown!! You guys truly are the beast of the east in wrestling!!! Now go kick some butt and defend your crown and prepare to move onto nationals!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on February 23, 2008, 01:24:24 PM
So now that the dust has settled with Lyco, What are the expectations of MAC teams this year?

Is any one or two teams going to stand out?  looking for views from others regarding "your" teams.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 23, 2008, 04:30:01 PM
DVC crushing the field out at midwest regionals...7 out of 10 wrestlers are in the finals going tonight and 2 others are wrestling back in the loser brackets and are wrestling for third place tonight...well done DVC!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 23, 2008, 04:43:37 PM
Quote from: jb on February 23, 2008, 01:24:24 PM
So now that the dust has settled with Lyco, What are the expectations of MAC teams this year?

Is any one or two teams going to stand out?  looking for views from others regarding "your" teams.



jb ...will be interesting to see how albright does this year...they started out strong and kind of stumbled to the finish line against the top mac teams. pbr wants to see if they are able to take the  next step. lyco will be in rebuilding mode, and can widener hold onto the top spot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on February 24, 2008, 02:01:59 PM
PBR

I was very impressed with Albright "O" last year but they did taper off as a team a little.  How many key guys did they loose?

Lyco has the talent to compete, but there's alot of ?'s because several skill guys are young.  QB, RB, etc.  plus replacing Yapple won't be easy.  This group of players needs to learn how to Win when their backs are against the wall.

I know it's slow, but like talking Football.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 25, 2008, 08:07:54 AM
well done dvc at the midwest regionals!!! 6 champions and 2 selected for nationals as wildcards its time to make a run at the national championship!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on February 26, 2008, 03:19:05 PM
Replying to the key people albright loses is Steven Assay and Brian Weiser  (weiser hurt most of the season) and Mike ciccamaro. and that  is about it.

I believe there are 9 startes on both sides of the ball returning.
.

I think they only had 9 seniors on the team last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on March 03, 2008, 07:22:22 PM
As a Montclair fan, I'm trying to figure who our out of conference game would be this year. Wilkes and Widner could be candidates. Any thoughts from the MAAC faithful?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chicks Dig the Long Ball on March 04, 2008, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on March 03, 2008, 07:22:22 PM
As a Montclair fan, I'm trying to figure who our out of conference game would be this year. Wilkes and Widner could be candidates. Any thoughts from the MAAC faithful?



Widener is out.....Their OOC games this year are NC Wesleyan, @ Wesley, and @ Frostburg State
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on March 04, 2008, 05:30:39 PM
schedule posted on Montclair site says Wilkes
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on March 04, 2008, 06:15:06 PM
PA_wesley fan,

I just got home from work and noticed it myself. Thanks for the heads-up. Good luck to your boys this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on March 04, 2008, 06:57:14 PM
rams1102

I just was intrigued by the post by "chicks" because I knew they could only have one  non-conference game. And I googled the Montclair site.

Now if only I could find what
I am looking for LOL
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 05, 2008, 08:39:29 AM
DVC is on the road to a national championship!!! Wrestle like you can and the rest will take care of itself!! GO DVC!!! Bring home the national championship!!!!

http://delval.edu/athletics/wrestling/news_9.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 06, 2008, 12:15:33 PM
dvc has a link posted where they are streaming the national semifinals and finals for wrestling. hopefully people can watch as dvc wins the national championship!

http://delval.edu/athletics/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on March 12, 2008, 09:32:50 PM
I cant believe this conference only has 8 football teams left.  Any idea if they are going to get any new teams in the next few years?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on March 13, 2008, 01:32:01 PM
Eight is just the right number. It let's you play everyone in the conference and then schedule 3 non conference games. There are a lot of conferences out there with 7 teams who would love to have 8. What do you want ten teams? then you wouldn't have any non conference games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on March 14, 2008, 02:28:29 PM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on March 13, 2008, 01:32:01 PM
Eight is just the right number. It let's you play everyone in the conference and then schedule 3 non conference games. There are a lot of conferences out there with 7 teams who would love to have 8. What do you want ten teams? then you wouldn't have any non conference games.
It just seems as though the MAC is losing football teams and not adding them.  If they lose anymore the league is going to disappear.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on March 14, 2008, 02:46:45 PM
I do believe that things have now stabilized in the Division III landscape with schools moving and changing conferences. If you think about it, it has been almost 10 or 15 years since the last big shake up occurred IE the formation of the Centential Conference from other MAC teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 14, 2008, 03:04:40 PM
it will be interesting to see if they have indeed stabilized...or if a trend toward bigger conferences continues and we continue to see mergers/additions much like what has happened in the divI-A landscape. i.e. would the mac/njac combine and create a east/west or north/south division as well as say (off the top off my head since its easy) the liberty league/ empire 8 combined....but the thing there is would be playoff implications and how would the ncaa handle this....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on March 14, 2008, 03:40:12 PM
Upbrmeasap, You might be right, I have just one question for you. Where are those girls from?? You probably have said where, but I wasn't paying attention. I just love it every time you come on board!! HA HA
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 17, 2008, 09:51:32 AM
BT they are known as the "tiki girls" and go to n.c. state....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on March 17, 2008, 03:43:54 PM
Thanks, GO WOLFPACK!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on April 01, 2008, 04:39:13 PM
The Mac Conference for football is out.

Click Here: http://www.mascac.org/football/sked2008.pdf (http://www.mascac.org/football/sked2008.pdf)

enjoy
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on April 01, 2008, 07:07:58 PM

The Wesley/Widener game is missing!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 01, 2008, 07:14:36 PM
According to this, Widener is playing one non-conference game. I'm guessing it's not complete.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 01, 2008, 08:16:21 PM
me thinks the guru is correct, as dvc would have the last 2 weekends of sept. off. pbr doesnt see that happening giving your team in essence 3 weeks between games? either dvc will move the games around to schedule every other weekend or more likely they are trying to pick up another game. for example last year their ooc schedule had iona, wesley, salisbury whereas right now it only includes iona, wesley w/ a bye week where salisbury fit in last year. my guess is dvc is trying to find another ooc game to fit in there...rpi or hobart anyone?  8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on April 01, 2008, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: old ends on April 01, 2008, 04:39:13 PM
The Mac Conference for football is out.

Click Here: http://www.mascac.org/football/sked2008.pdf (http://www.mascac.org/football/sked2008.pdf)

enjoy


The schedule with Wilkes at Montclair is correct. As far as Rowan, it makes no sense. The NJAC members can only have (1) out of conference game and Rowan's is Bridgewater, Ma. Wilkes @ Rowan and Rowan @ Widner makes no sense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 02, 2008, 12:06:04 AM
My understanding is that Del Val has the same schedule for 2008 as 2007, just reversing away games with home for the out of conference tilts.  And I've been told that Wilkes plays non-conference games with an OAC school, Montclair State and Christopher Newport.  Rowan isn't on the slate. 

Remember that the NJAC picks up more members this year, leaving space for only one non-conference game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on April 02, 2008, 07:09:13 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 01, 2008, 07:14:36 PM
According to this, Widener is playing one non-conference game. I'm guessing it's not complete.

And isnt Lycoming still playing at Ithaca this year?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on April 02, 2008, 07:10:30 AM
Quote from: D3FBFan55 on March 12, 2008, 09:32:50 PM
I cant believe this conference only has 8 football teams left.  Any idea if they are going to get any new teams in the next few years?

I kind of think 8 teams is the perfect amount for a football conference (d3).  Gives you 3 chances to play non-league games which I think can help playoff chances if done the right way.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on April 02, 2008, 01:01:18 PM
The schedule is missing Lyco's opener at Ithaca and there second week match up against Bridgewater(Va.) in Williamsport.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chicks Dig the Long Ball on April 03, 2008, 01:21:48 PM
Widener's OOC Schedule:

September 13th -  North Carolina Wesleyan @ Widener

September 19th - @ Wesley

September 27th - @ Frostburg State
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: muledaddy on April 03, 2008, 08:51:40 PM
Yo Chicks,

Nice OOC schedule for Widener ...shows some class..playing the Wesley and 2

other decent schools will say something if you can handle them...we Mules

from Allentown could use a nice challenge like a rematch with the Wesley team..they play a nice fast game and a tough defense, with kudos to their coach
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on April 14, 2008, 11:13:44 AM
Lyco and D3 fans, please check out www.frankgirardi.com
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 14, 2008, 10:50:32 PM
Nice Site...well done Lyco
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheApprentice on April 15, 2008, 08:07:20 AM
Bman,
       Lycoming didn't do that web sight, John Green did. John is not affiliated with Lycoming College.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 15, 2008, 10:56:48 AM
Understood,

I just abbreviated the Lyco bleeds BLUE and Gold screen name....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on April 18, 2008, 10:22:59 AM
I just read this,  Danny Federici  (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/04/e_street_band_member_danny_fed.html) of the E Street Band has passed away after a fight with cancer.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 01, 2008, 12:27:46 PM
dvc wrestler mike wilcox will be cbs sports sat. may 3 as a feature...showing how he wrestled to the finals of div III national championships this year and the tragedy of losing his brother and how he honors his memory....

http://www.delval.edu/athletics/wrestling/news_11.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 01, 2008, 12:54:36 PM
Speaking of Del Val, the Aggies' football schedule (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Delaware+Valley&year=2008) has been released.  No surprises.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 06, 2008, 01:03:35 PM
Gordon

It looks like Wesley is scheduling more MAC games...

Is this an audition?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on May 07, 2008, 04:15:48 PM
quote author=bman link=topic=3557.msg906100#msg906100 date=1210093415]
Gordon

It looks like Wesley is scheduling more MAC games...

Is this an audition?
[/quote]

bman

  Doesn't really look that way. Widener WON'T renew after this season even though Wesley asked. Del Val has said they would but time will tell. I think it was more a product of MAC schools needing games to fill out for the league departures. Makes for a good rivalry with the relative closeness of the schools but you need two to tango!!! ;D   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 08, 2008, 10:12:14 AM
Bman:

I've asked several people in MAC football whether Wesley might join the conference and the consensus is its unlikely.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 08, 2008, 11:34:15 AM
Bummer

In my opinion it's a great fit...

Good competition, low travel, and high rivalry potential...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 08, 2008, 11:48:03 AM
Quote from: bman on May 08, 2008, 11:34:15 AM
Bummer

In my opinion it's a great fit...

Good competition, low travel, and high rivalry potential...



it certainly would force people to raise their programs to the next level. wesley has been a strong team now for awhile. would of been a nice fit imho.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on May 14, 2008, 11:03:04 AM
In the month of May the VFW distributes Buddy Poppies.  Please take time to give a dollar and take a poppy.  The proceeds of this go to aid the  Disabled Vets  (http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=cmty.levelc&cid=127&tok=1)

Mike Dougherty
Commander VFW Memorial Post 3776
Secaucus NJ


In Flander's Field
by John McCrae
In Flanders Fields the poppies blow,
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky,
The larks, still bravely singing, fly,
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the dead.
Short days ago,
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved and now we lie,
In Flanders Fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw,
The torch, be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us, who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow,
In Flanders Fields.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on May 23, 2008, 10:57:53 PM
Pa Wesley fan-
The reason Widener will not renew the Wesley match up after this year is because they currently do not have a open date the following season. They have entered a home and home with Frost. and are planning on rescheduling N.C. Wesleyan plus they are also owed a home game by Rowan that is to take place in 2009. It is my understanding that the MAC Presidents have no interest in allowing Wesley into the conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on May 23, 2008, 11:45:15 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on May 23, 2008, 10:57:53 PM
Pa Wesley fan-
The reason Widener will not renew the Wesley match up after this year is because they currently do not have a open date the following season. They have entered a home and home with Frost. and are planning on rescheduling N.C. Wesleyan plus they are also owed a home game by Rowan that is to take place in 2009. It is my understanding that the MAC Presidents have no interest in allowing Wesley into the conference.

WUDLINE

Don't they have three open dates a year???  "Seems like everyone is lining up tp play Frostburg these days..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2008, 12:24:16 AM
Quote from: WUDLINE on May 23, 2008, 10:57:53 PM
they are also owed a home game by Rowan that is to take place in 2009
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on May 24, 2008, 10:09:30 AM
PA / WUDLINE,

I may as well get into some trouble cause everything is so quiet. The travel in the NJAC is a little tough. Buff, Brock, Morris are 5+ hours and Cort 4+. I'm trying to take an average. There is no dis-respect to any of these teams, but would it not make sence for the above to be absorbed into the E8 and LL for Football and bring Wesley and Salisbury to the NJAC for Football only. W.Conn would probably have the worst travel @4+ hours. In reality this really makes sence, but actually it will not because of commitments, NCAA, Conferences and Politics. Thoughts?

Less then (3) months and here we go !!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on May 24, 2008, 02:42:29 PM
rams

One reason is the 100 roster limit in the NJAC.  Thats not to say the NY schools still won't opt for the E8 leaving the NJAC short again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2008, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on May 24, 2008, 10:09:30 AM
PA / WUDLINE,

I may as well get into some trouble cause everything is so quiet. The travel in the NJAC is a little tough. Buff, Brock, Morris are 5+ hours and Cort 4+. I'm trying to take an average. There is no dis-respect to any of these teams, but would it not make sence for the above to be absorbed into the E8 and LL for Football and bring Wesley and Salisbury to the NJAC for Football only. W.Conn would probably have the worst travel @4+ hours. In reality this really makes sence, but actually it will not because of commitments, NCAA, Conferences and Politics. Thoughts?

Less then (3) months and here we go !!!
IMHO, it is beginning to happen.  The E8 lost affiliate Norwich which puts the AQ in jeopardy.  The Northwest Conference, which has two more national titles than the E8 since the inception of the pools in 1999, did not receive a Pool B bid last year.  The E8 is looking at strategies to avoid that.  The SUNYAC teams, Brock, Buff, Cort and Morris, will fulfill the four core member requirement, should the SUNYAC seek to sponsor football.  If the E8 pre-empts that move by accepting the SUNYAC schools, then the E8 has 9 ready made games, in closest proximity possible.

What happens in the NJAC?  I think that they accept the ACFC schools.  The only challenge for the MAC is to find 3 non-conference games to fill the schedules, especially if the Centennial is playing 8 conference games, the NJAC accepts the ACFC schools (including Apprentice) and is playing 9-conference games and the Liberty League is playing 7 conference games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on May 26, 2008, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2008, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on May 24, 2008, 10:09:30 AM
PA / WUDLINE,

I may as well get into some trouble cause everything is so quiet. The travel in the NJAC is a little tough. Buff, Brock, Morris are 5+ hours and Cort 4+. I'm trying to take an average. There is no dis-respect to any of these teams, but would it not make sence for the above to be absorbed into the E8 and LL for Football and bring Wesley and Salisbury to the NJAC for Football only. W.Conn would probably have the worst travel @4+ hours. In reality this really makes sence, but actually it will not because of commitments, NCAA, Conferences and Politics. Thoughts?

Less then (3) months and here we go !!!
IMHO, it is beginning to happen.  The E8 lost affiliate Norwich which puts the AQ in jeopardy.  The Northwest Conference, which has two more national titles than the E8 since the inception of the pools in 1999, did not receive a Pool B bid last year.  The E8 is looking at strategies to avoid that.  The SUNYAC teams, Brock, Buff, Cort and Morris, will fulfill the four core member requirement, should the SUNYAC seek to sponsor football.  If the E8 pre-empts that move by accepting the SUNYAC schools, then the E8 has 9 ready made games, in closest proximity possible.

What happens in the NJAC?  I think that they accept the ACFC schools.  The only challenge for the MAC is to find 3 non-conference games to fill the schedules, especially if the Centennial is playing 8 conference games, the NJAC accepts the ACFC schools (including Apprentice) and is playing 9-conference games and the Liberty League is playing 7 conference games.


We have talked about this for a few years and basically makes sence for the Up-State NJAC schools to be absorbed by the E-8 and LL and the ACFC to the NJAC. With the E-8 losing it's AQ next year, I could see something happen like the E-8 taking Cortland and leaving the others in the NJAC. The best for everyone would be like you said, but that scenario being very attractive, IMHO will never happen. Any comments?

Happy Memorial Day to all. God Bless our Vets, our Men and Women currently serving and God Bless America !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 27, 2008, 12:18:09 PM
well done to dvc's chris sheetz...named to the ncaa all rookie team for wrestlers from div I, II, III...

http://www.delval.edu/athletics/wrestling/news_12.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on June 15, 2008, 11:32:46 AM
Greetings to all.  New poster here. Hoping to be very active.  Will be keeping
a close eye on Albright. Willing to discuss any topic.  Hoping things pickup here as the season slowly approaches. Any pre-preseason thoughts? Any promising new players coming in to the schools?   Talk to you soon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on June 15, 2008, 03:51:04 PM
Greetings Captpuck.

How did albright fair in Canada this spring?

GO LYCO!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on June 15, 2008, 06:13:40 PM
Don't know, Asked a coach how there trip to Canada was and all he said was, they had a great time.  ( Must have secret meaning, I didn't press the matter)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 17, 2008, 08:28:22 AM
looking over the dvc schedule there are going to be some great home games w/ wesley/salisbury and widener and albright.....definetly should be able to see several games. Isgro should be well schooled now and have a big year.

hey gordon you mentioned earlier about wesley joining the mac as unlikely in talking to several people. Any clues to why they their thinking was that way? geography or mac wasnt looking to add another team?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on June 17, 2008, 07:12:55 PM
PBR-

I don't want to offend anyone, but as we went over this (was it 2 years already?) before, the simple answer is perceived (or real) academic reputation. This is the reason Wesley will not be a MAC member anytime in the foreseeable future....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on June 18, 2008, 06:58:46 PM
Quote from: captpuck on June 15, 2008, 11:32:46 AM
Greetings to all.  New poster here. Hoping to be very active.  Will be keeping
a close eye on Albright. Willing to discuss any topic.  Hoping things pickup here as the season slowly approaches. Any pre-preseason thoughts? Any promising new players coming in to the schools?   Talk to you soon

Welcome aboard Cat, looking forward to some Albright flavor in here as most are Green/gold, Blue and white or (whats Wideners new colors?)  I just read the press release and it sounds incorrect to me about Canada.  back in 91 we traveled to Vichy France and played a sort of Olympic team they had so I dont know If that qualified as real international "competition"  Had a great time with my buds (at least those who could speak it to the frenchies) but I do not miss the country a bit. Interesting being in another country playing ball though...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on June 18, 2008, 07:46:18 PM
It was Albright 24,  U. Of Toronto 21.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on June 18, 2008, 08:02:45 PM
Thanks for the greetings Lane.  Got to agree with you on the froggies. There just a different people.
Toronto's a nice place. And if your into coffee and donut shops your in heaven. Hoping to catch most of the Albright games.  Must have been great time to travel to France. Did a lot of traveling with one of my kids, he played travel hockey all over the country. I'd be in a bigger house if I had all the money we spent.
Aug 12th starts practice.   Talk to soon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 18, 2008, 08:15:03 PM
Good point about the hockey. Reminded me of a post a friend of mine wrote on their blog:

http://inside-outblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/what-is-sports-scholarship-worth.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on July 02, 2008, 09:48:30 PM
With Coach Clark's first recruiting class announced, a new era begins....

http://www.lycoming.edu:80/athletics/Football/2008/incoming_class.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on July 03, 2008, 05:32:40 PM
 Do all the schools in the Conf usually announce there incoming recruits?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on July 03, 2008, 07:22:05 PM
most MAC schools release the names of in-coming freshmen
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 07, 2008, 12:13:22 PM
Simba

You are about 15 Philly Catholic league recruits away from winning the MAC  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on July 07, 2008, 11:04:27 PM
I understand that the philly area has serve lyco well in years past...my only question which i sorta pose to "G" a few years ago..."why doesn't Lyco have a bigger presence in the Mid-Penn Conference.  There's plenty of talent there...and it's a very competitive league. 

But yet there are only a few kids from that league that play for lyco.  Coach Clark tap that unused resource only 90 minutes to the south along with philly area kids.

just an observation and not meant as any critisism
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 07, 2008, 11:18:54 PM
jb

I totally agree with the assessment...and theres lots of talent left going directly east and west as well...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on July 09, 2008, 09:28:11 AM
What's the word on this D3 football preview?  Worth getting? How does it run?,
weekly, bi-weekly , monthly, during the season                Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 09, 2008, 10:34:34 AM
It's a preseason annual, in the Street & Smith's/Lindy's style but solely online, so we can get you the latest information possible. (Printing it would mean we'd be putting it to press already, so you'd be getting less than updated info.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2008, 10:51:51 AM
Quote from: captpuck on July 09, 2008, 09:28:11 AM
What's the word on this D3 football preview?  Worth getting? How does it run?,
weekly, bi-weekly , monthly, during the season                Thanks
Buy it!  It's worth it.  Pat Coleman let me construct a method as to how to use his KICKOFF rankings for the ASC Pick'em's contest that we run.  (In the contest, we also track how bornpowerindex and lazindex, two index ranking services that follow D-III, perform.)

Using that construction, this is how KICKOFF has performed.

In 2005, KICKOFF finished 12th out of about 32 players.
In 2006, 2nd out of about 29 players.
In 2007, KICKOFF came in tied for 6th out of 26 players.

Pat is virtually making his weekly pick'ems in August for games occurring in November!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Iron07 on July 14, 2008, 02:59:18 PM
How many recruits is Albright bringing?Heard over 90 is that possible
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2008, 05:37:49 PM
Always possible. Such is the state of Division III -- there's no national roster size limit (though some conferences limit teams to 100 or 75) and a good team is likely to draw as long as the school wants the enrollment.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on July 14, 2008, 06:26:30 PM
  According to the 07 Albright  roster, They lost 7 seniors.  Know they have at least 20 kids
coming in from New Jersey. And these kids are not all from south, southern NJ. Should be
interesting. Coach Marzka turned the program around in his first yr. Now he had a whole
year to really start changing things the way he and his staff wants
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 14, 2008, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: Iron07 on July 14, 2008, 02:59:18 PM
How many recruits is Albright bringing?Heard over 90 is that possible

the guru is correct a mundo....if you check rosters/news of some schools around or the other boards from other conferences you will see schools w/ 90+ incoming freshmen is not all that uncommon...its not a bad thing when you factor in  the percentages of kids who wont make it academically, or transfer out due to many factors, injuries and kids who just decide they dont want to play anymore but stay in school. it brings that 90+ down to a much more manageable number.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Iron07 on July 14, 2008, 08:08:39 PM
Quote from: captpuck on July 14, 2008, 06:26:30 PM
  According to the 07 Albright  roster, They lost 7 seniors.  Know they have at least 20 kids
coming in from New Jersey. And these kids are not all from south, southern NJ. Should be
interesting. Coach Marzka turned the program around in his first yr. Now he had a whole
year to really start changing things the way he and his staff wants
[/quo


any names of jersey kids listed anywhere that's great recruiting .Does Albright have a shot at winning that first game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on July 14, 2008, 08:32:09 PM
  Lost  42 -12 to Salisbury last year.  First game this year, Should be a good indicator of the season.
Then again, it could be the game that shows any unseen problems, and allows them to correct early.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Iron07 on July 21, 2008, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: captpuck on July 14, 2008, 08:32:09 PM
  Lost  42 -12 to Salisbury last year.  First game this year, Should be a good indicator of the season.
Then again, it could be the game that shows any unseen problems, and allows them to correct early.



Do you think thier facilities are giving them a big edge in recruiting or are the coaches that good at it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Iron07 on July 21, 2008, 03:32:33 PM
Sorry Monday(facilities)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 21, 2008, 04:20:23 PM
Depends

If they have 100 bad players, numbers do not matter...

GA Mangus had a huge impact of the DV program, when they had not recruited well for years...

I could be that Albright IS capitalizing on the facilities...however time will tell...we'll see what the season brings
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Chicks Dig the Long Ball on July 21, 2008, 09:43:22 PM
Where the new coach turning the program around in one year and the facilities may have a positive impact on recruiting, the secret lies in the financial aid packages that Albright offered. In regards to other MAC schools, Albright threw around more money to entice more students to enroll in the university, whether it be athletes or not. (Not sure if it is true or not, but rumor has it that Albright is fiscally not doing well, so they are trying to get the most enrolled in the university as possible.) Also, they were able to get their packages out earlier then other MAC schools. I know when I was going through the process, why hold out for another school when you get a good package off the bat. Maybe these reasons are responsible for a big class.

But remember it is quality not quantity....That is if your good prospects don't fail out before they become impact players.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on July 23, 2008, 01:20:04 PM
Could be some truth with the money packges. and the facilities are nice and new. So lets take a look from
the coaches standpoint. They inhereted some players that they might not be to crazy about, or don't fit 
into there sceem of play. They have what many consider to be one of the better quarterbacks around for two more years. Is the coaching staff looking to plant there butts down for the next twenty years to
permanent positions and resting on past records. I believe like most of us, they re looking at there future.
and to advance they must produce. a win/win situation ( sorry my a button on computer not working
well) for the school and themselfs.  So really no different then anyother school. So bringing in a large
amount of new players to mold makes alot of sense. and a winning program brings in new students, not just ball players
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on July 23, 2008, 07:40:14 PM
Several coaching staffs at certain MAC schools have/were given mandates about how many incoming freshmen they are EXPECTED to bring in, and quite frankly, some jobs depend upon it.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Iron07 on July 23, 2008, 08:03:12 PM
Makes sense but alot of those kids don't return for soph year is that the way to go keep bringing in big freshman classes and get one year tuition out of them and than do it all over again.Last year albright had 66 in camp as freshman I think less than fifteen are returning for one reason or the other. The new coach and staff are pretty tough especially on this last freshman class which they really did not recruit.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 23, 2008, 08:33:37 PM
They may not be returning to the team but I bet more than 15 are enrolled at Albright for 2008-09.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on July 23, 2008, 08:56:09 PM
Having met a  few of the coaches  I can see they want to win. Building your student body by bringing in
so/so football players, will only lead to failure on both ends. Reading all the replys, I can see many good points.  So what happens, every sport at the school must bring in 4 times the mount of players into the school to build up the coffers. If you can't provide good academics, your school will sink and nobody will
attend   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on July 24, 2008, 06:58:02 PM
I think just 3 or 4 years ago there was conversation about 50 kids being a large class.  Now that"50" number wasn't iron clad but average in our discussions.   That discussion really center around the MAC schools, of which some have left the league.

So in the short amount of time, What gives?  Is it truly Quantity over Quality ?  who knows? 

I do agree that coaches must account for losing 10-15 freshman not returning to school or football every season. 

I personally can't wait for camp to begin, of course this is my last year of tuition payments!!!!  Good Luck to all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on July 24, 2008, 08:25:21 PM
Yo,  JB good luck in the future   When do the student loans pyments begin?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on July 26, 2008, 06:12:23 PM
Sorry Cap maybe I din't give enough info in that response or maybe we haven't talk before.  I'm a father of a current lyco player in his last year hence last year of tuition payments for me.

But I love the opening days of camp and the season, it's like fresh grass in the spring.  and too boot I'm a football junkie.

JB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on July 26, 2008, 09:37:22 PM
For you Philly fans:

Vai Sikahema knocks out Jose Canseco in the 1st round (http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/travel/2008/07/25/2008-07-25_jose_canseco_knocked_on_his_as_in_trop_b.html).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on July 27, 2008, 09:53:28 AM
JB,  Sorry, Know how you feel. Have two in school.  a Jr and freshman.  Can retire in a  year but
don't think that's happening.  Conflicting sports in my fmily, one plays hockey and one plays football.
Like you, looking forward to football season. How does your son like Lyco? Maybe I'll run into you
on Oct 11th. game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on July 27, 2008, 05:23:37 PM
He was looking at several MAC schools and a couple Div II schools, but really like the atmosphere from the begining  Made friends the very first W/E up there and has never looked back.

I've asked him several times if he would do anything different in selecting a school, his reply has been "no nothing would change".

Good luck with everything.

JB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 05, 2008, 08:30:57 AM
gordon any word on whether coach clements will post the list of the incoming recruits this year for dvc?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 05, 2008, 06:40:58 PM
Hot off the press today...Let the debates begin!!!....Simba

2008 MAC Preseason Poll

1. Widener (53 pts.)

2. Delaware Valley (48)

2. Albright (48)

4. Wilkes (43)

5. Lycoming (29)

6. Lebanon Valley (28)

7. King's (24)

8. FDU-Florham (14)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 05, 2008, 07:17:58 PM
And how about this?...Simba

The MAC also used the media day to officially release the plans for the Middle Atlantic Conference vs. President's Athletic Conference Challenge.

Executive director Ken Andrews opened the event by announcing the MAC-PAC Challenge, which has been scheduled for the 2010 and 2011 seasons. The challenge will pit all eight schools in the MAC against schools from the PAC, consisting of Bethany College, Geneva College, Grove City College, Saint Vincent College, Thiel College, Washington and Jefferson College, Waynesburg University and Westminster College. All games will be hosted by MAC schools in 2010 and hosted by PAC institutions in 2011.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 05, 2008, 11:18:04 PM
Simba:

Thanks for the information.  I suspected Thomas More, which is based in Kentucky, wouldn't be part of the Challenge.  That trip to Crestview Hills (near Cincinnati, OH) would be a loooooong drive for someone.

The other interesting aspect of the Challenge is that the match-ups in 2010 will be determined by the standings the previous year (1 vs. 1, 2 vs. 2, etc).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 05, 2008, 11:26:58 PM
I just saw that Lyco has a new helmet (http://www.lycoming.edu/athletics/Football/2008/preseason_poll.htm).

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 06, 2008, 07:20:29 AM
Quote from: Simba on August 05, 2008, 06:40:58 PM
Hot off the press today...Let the debates begin!!!....Simba

2008 MAC Preseason Poll

1. Widener (53 pts.)

2. Delaware Valley (48)

2. Albright (48)

4. Wilkes (43)

5. Lycoming (29)

6. Lebanon Valley (28)

7. King's (24)

8. FDU-Florham (14)




seems pretty good to me....its right where i would have everyone.  Not sure on the new lyco helmet....pbr is so used to seeing lyco in those uni's and helmets its weird seeing them in something else, but new regime and time for a change maybe. (of course cant count the times dvc has changed since pbr started following them...) lyco changing would be like penn st. changing uni's at the end of the paterno era in another 20 years... ;)

A good article at media day yesterday on dvc....

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-08062008-1573239.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on August 06, 2008, 01:57:16 PM
Gordonmann, I like the look of Lycoming's new helmet. It gets rid of the plain PENN STATE look. New coach, different style.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 07, 2008, 06:34:45 AM
Also it is historically accurate (at least lately)  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on August 07, 2008, 11:00:53 AM
The more I thought about it, Coach Clark did a great thing by putting that L on the helmets. It is sympolic of the changing of the guard. Whoever replaces Joe Pa at Penn State, should do the exaxt same thing, maybe even going so far as to switching to BLUE PANTS for their away uniforms as well as putting the lion on the helmets. Wonder how the Penn State fans would react if that were to happen?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 07, 2008, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on August 07, 2008, 11:00:53 AM
The more I thought about it, Coach Clark did a great thing by putting that L on the helmets. It is sympolic of the changing of the guard. Whoever replaces Joe Pa at Penn State, should do the exaxt same thing, maybe even going so far as to switching to BLUE PANTS for their away uniforms as well as putting the lion on the helmets. Wonder how the Penn State fans would react if that were to happen?

dont ever see it happening or very very unlikely....i have many family members who are alumni and involved heavily in the alumni associations and booster clubs and attend several games a year and they are dead set against ever changing the uni's. Plus joe has brought it up to the team numerous times about changing things up and the players always vote to keep it the same. The players actually like it and feel it honors all the players who have gone thru the program in front of them and led the way. They like the fact that w/ no names and black shoes etc. it makes them feel all the same and more a team atmosphere than individual and the "me" attitude
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on August 07, 2008, 01:18:48 PM
I could be wrong, but I believe Penn State is the only 1A school without anything on their helmets. Even Ohio State which starts out the season with a clean helmet adds the buckeyes as their season progesses. Maybe wearing blue pants is extreme but if you had a younger coach like a Greg Schiano follow Joe Pa who wanted to make his own statement following a legend, I don't think the alumni would mind if the Lion went on the helmets. Look at it from a marketing point of view, You never heard of Rutgers or saw any Rutgers apparel but now you see that  new R everywhere and everyone knows it stands for Rutgers.Just food for thought. I guess I would want to be the SECOND coach at PSU following the coach who followed Paterno( Ha Ha). Look at what happened at Alabama after Bear Bryant left.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 07, 2008, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on August 07, 2008, 01:18:48 PM
I could be wrong, but I believe Penn State is the only 1A school without anything on their helmets. Even Ohio State which starts out the season with a clean helmet adds the buckeyes as their season progesses. Maybe wearing blue pants is extreme but if you had a younger coach like a Greg Schiano follow Joe Pa who wanted to make his own statement following a legend, I don't think the alumni would mind if the Lion went on the helmets. Look at it from a marketing point of view, You never heard of Rutgers or saw any Rutgers apparel but now you see that  new R everywhere and everyone knows it stands for Rutgers.Just food for thought. I guess I would want to be the SECOND coach at PSU following the coach who followed Paterno( Ha Ha). Look at what happened at Alabama after Bear Bryant left.

interesting but dont see it happening. sPitt tried it when they changed coaches and took the script pitt off the helmet and put a dinosaur on the helmet nothing remotely close to looking like a panther and have changed it several times since to no ones satisfaction. And speaking of ol' greggie schiano the walls are crumbling at rutgers....first no money for the stadium expansion they have gotten 250,000 out of the $30 million needed (just a little short) and that gives schiano the out of his contract that he negoiated secretly last year that no one knew about except the a.d. and to boot his 2 top recruits have just decommited and are going elsewhere fearing that schiano is bailing after this year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on August 07, 2008, 11:04:36 PM
gordonmann

Good to see that Del Val is getting some early coverage in the local papers..

  Tell your bud congrats on the promotion to asst. A.D.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on August 08, 2008, 01:51:39 PM
Hello all on the MAC board...

This is your Around the East Region columnist to tell you that the MAC will be a part of my column starting this fall.

If anyone can help me out to learn some about the MAC, post here, PM me if you will give your real name, or e-mail me at adam.samrov@d3football.com

Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 08, 2008, 01:55:06 PM
Quote from: dewcrew88 on August 08, 2008, 01:51:39 PM
Hello all on the MAC board...

This is your Around the East Region columnist to tell you that the MAC will be a part of my column starting this fall.

If anyone can help me out to learn some about the MAC, post here, PM me if you will give your real name, or e-mail me at adam.samrov@d3football.com

Thanks to all.


dc88 seek out regular board members gordonmann, warren thompson, bill as they are all long timers and have fountains of knowledge on the mac and its inner workings as well
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on August 08, 2008, 02:06:12 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 08, 2008, 01:55:06 PM
Quote from: dewcrew88 on August 08, 2008, 01:51:39 PM
Hello all on the MAC board...

This is your Around the East Region columnist to tell you that the MAC will be a part of my column starting this fall.

If anyone can help me out to learn some about the MAC, post here, PM me if you will give your real name, or e-mail me at adam.samrov@d3football.com

Thanks to all.


dc88 seek out regular board members gordonmann, warren thompson, bill as they are all long timers and have fountains of knowledge on the mac and its inner workings as well

thanks pbr.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on August 13, 2008, 08:34:01 PM
just got back from LYCO...Coach Clark has 104 players on his roster to start camp.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 13, 2008, 09:41:37 PM
Aggies camp 2008 opened today! Looked like some pretty big guys walking around, among the 110 or so guys there.

Looks like Coach Clements' team is returning to previous form...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 13, 2008, 10:43:39 PM
Hello everyone- first time poster here, but I've bene a long time "lurker" on this board, as I believe you call them!! I discovered this forum just after it's re-vamp at the start of the 2005 season, so I've been around for everything since then on here.

My involvement with MAC football stems from my recently completed undergraduate years at Wilkes, where I worked with the football program for all four seasons I was there- from 2004 through 2007- as the video coordinator/film guy/cameraman/whatever other good title you can come up with. It was a fantastic time that I cant say enough about- Coach Shep, the staff, and most all the players were fantastic to work with, and we won our share of games along the way, all while getitng a great education.

In any event, I've been looking forward to posting on here for some time, but obviously did not want to jump on while still working with the program as a student. I've admired the pride many of you guys take in your alma maters- PBR, Simba, WUDLINE, Lyco80- and I plan on doing the same while representing Wilkes. Best wishes to all of you regulars, as well as my fellow rookie posters, and let's hope for another great season in the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 13, 2008, 11:22:21 PM
Welcome aboard -- wise decision to lurk but glad you've joined us.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 14, 2008, 07:36:26 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on August 13, 2008, 10:43:39 PM
Hello everyone- first time poster here, but I've bene a long time "lurker" on this board, as I believe you call them!! I discovered this forum just after it's re-vamp at the start of the 2005 season, so I've been around for everything since then on here.

My involvement with MAC football stems from my recently completed undergraduate years at Wilkes, where I worked with the football program for all four seasons I was there- from 2004 through 2007- as the video coordinator/film guy/cameraman/whatever other good title you can come up with. It was a fantastic time that I cant say enough about- Coach Shep, the staff, and most all the players were fantastic to work with, and we won our share of games along the way, all while getitng a great education.

In any event, I've been looking forward to posting on here for some time, but obviously did not want to jump on while still working with the program as a student. I've admired the pride many of you guys take in your alma maters- PBR, Simba, WUDLINE, Lyco80- and I plan on doing the same while representing Wilkes. Best wishes to all of you regulars, as well as my fellow rookie posters, and let's hope for another great season in the MAC.

G-man great to hear from you as its good to get fresh blood and somone who can bring another perspective from another mac school. The MAC looks like it will be a fun ride this year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 15, 2008, 12:59:35 PM
Has anybody else been following Andy Studebaker on the Eagles this preseason.  In my opinion, he looks pretty good.  He is in on almost every tackle.  He even caused a fumble in last nights game.

Way to go D3 player.  I hope you make the team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 15, 2008, 01:04:43 PM
Wrong Board formerWU

North board has been discussing him for several weeks.

I still think he is a longshot to make the team...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 15, 2008, 01:05:11 PM
Quote from: formerwu on August 15, 2008, 12:59:35 PM
Has anybody else been following Andy Studebaker on the Eagles this preseason.  In my opinion, he looks pretty good.  He is in on almost every tackle.  He even caused a fumble in last nights game.

Way to go D3 player.  I hope you make the team.

the guy is built like a car...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 15, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
Yugo?  Gremlin?  Pacer? or my favorite the AMC Eagle! ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on August 19, 2008, 05:26:03 PM
Any news fron the MAC camps? New to posting on this board but have been checking out this site for a few years.

Heard that the Aggies have moved former fullback Nick Shute over to noseguard. Sounds like a great move to me as this was one of the spots they really needed to fill. Nick is a load and hopefully will adjust to the defensive side of the ball quickly!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 19, 2008, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: bman on August 15, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
Yugo?  Gremlin?  Pacer? or my favorite the AMC Eagle! ?

gremlin? ha .... he is built like a studebaker car!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdamox.com%2Fcars%2Fthumbs%2FStudebaker%2F1940_Studebaker_Commander_Cream.jpg&hash=5b6bf08fa394e850c79f6ed82e5829d86478f400)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 20, 2008, 09:07:45 AM
New website for Widener:

www.widenerpride.com

Looks pretty good.

-------

News from camp.  Woody was able to pull in a couple of IAA and II transfers for this year.  I'll try and keep tabs on them.

Bye for now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 20, 2008, 11:52:52 AM
QuoteAny news fron the MAC camps? New to posting on this board but have been checking out this site for a few years.

We have news from every MAC camp including Del Val and the scoop on who Widener's transfers are and which ones at this point are likely to see significant playing time.

And all you have to do is order the Kickoff Preview (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/) to get that news. :)

KingSting999, the preview may even mention someone you know pretty well. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 20, 2008, 11:56:29 AM
FormerWu:

Thanks for the heads up on the website change.  We updated our team pages on D3hoops and D3football.com.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 20, 2008, 12:00:35 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 20, 2008, 11:56:29 AM
FormerWu:

Thanks for the heads up on the website change.  We updated our team pages on D3hoops and D3football.com.

gordon any idea when is dvc changing their site? it keeps saying any day now....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on August 20, 2008, 04:17:48 PM
Thanks Gordon, I already have my order in! Looking fforward to an interesting season with the Aggies. Feel that they should be stronger this year on the offensive side of the ball but have some big shoes to fill on defense. Hopefully there will be some new faces step in and solidify those areas so that the defense doesn't have a drop off.

The O line should be solid and the back field led by Cook and Isgro will be a strong point. Would like to see the Aggies try and control the ball a little more this season, especially early in the year, and burn some time off the clock and give the defense some more time off the field. Two early losses last year, especially the Wesley game, I feel were a direct result of the defense just wilting in the extreme heat..

Have all the confidense in the world in the coaching staff and Coach Clements seems to be growing into the position quite well. Looking forward to our first taste of Aggie football at this Sunday's intersquad scrimmage!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 21, 2008, 07:36:59 AM
FYI....DVC's new website it up and running looks great!!!

http://athletics.delval.edu/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 21, 2008, 10:55:46 AM
Wow.  Someone must've read your message board post yesterday. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 21, 2008, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 21, 2008, 10:55:46 AM
Wow.  Someone must've read your message board post yesterday. :)

HA! We all know gordon you are the wizard behind the curtain pulling all the levers!  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 21, 2008, 03:39:16 PM
It seems as both Widener and Del Val use the company "ICS" to do their websites. Does anyone out there have any concept of what this cost? Matt at Del Val, don't you occasionally post/lurk here?

Why do I ask? Well, many of you older posters may remember that I personally designed and created our FDU website using a Mac about 10 years ago. It was cutting edge then, but....

Thanks....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 21, 2008, 03:45:05 PM
Bill:

I'll send you a Personal Message on the subject.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2008, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: bill on August 21, 2008, 03:39:16 PM
It seems as both Widener and Del Val use the company "ICS" to do their websites. Does anyone out there have any concept of what this cost? Matt at Del Val, don't you occasionally post/lurk here?

Why do I ask? Well, many of you older posters may remember that I personally designed and created our FDU website using a Mac about 10 years ago. It was cutting edge then, but....

Thanks....

(Try Presto instead -- you'll get integration with the D3sports.com scoreboard system and save a bunch of time.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on August 21, 2008, 09:48:04 PM
big loss for dvc today as starting tight end michael barainyak suffered a very severe neck injury and had to be transported to the hospital. all dvc fans have michael in our prayers and wishing him the fastest recovery possible
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Matt Levy, DVC SID on August 21, 2008, 09:48:19 PM
UPBR...Thanks for the kind words about the new web site. We h ave received a lot of positive feedback in the first 28-plus hours of the site going live.

Bill, why I can't get into the specifics of the cost, I can tell you that you can contact people at internetconsult.com for prices. I know thay they are now working with more than 200 schools and conference on all levels. A lot of schools in the MAC are in the process of going with ICS. DVC and Widener have joined non-football schools Alvernia, DeSales and Misericordia as far as sites that are currently live. Arcadia, King's, Lebanon Valley and Wilkes and the conference office itself have signed on with the company as well.

The season is just around the corner!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 21, 2008, 10:25:45 PM
DVCfan11, I'm sure I speak for all the Wilkes faithful in wishing Michael the best for a safe and speedy recovery. My prayers go out to he and his family, and hopefully he'll be back on the DVC campus very soon.

I haven't been able to make it to a Wilkes practice as of yet, but things appear to be progressing well for the Colonels from what some observers tell me. Obviously many positions will have new faces, and from what I hear several freshmen and transferrs have a good shot of contributing early. We'll see how things pan out after the Courtland scrimmage and then obviously with a very tough season opener at Muhlenburg.

Matt, I don't know if you read my introduction a few posts back, but you may remember me from the program books you sent me after the 2006 season for my little collection- my thanks again for a first-class act among the conference SIDs.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2008, 10:59:08 PM
Similarly, Presto has almost 250 schools and conferences in its network. Just figured someone should match the sales pitch. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on August 22, 2008, 10:28:36 AM
Albright Roster now out. A ton of freshmen. looks like there expanding
there recruiting. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Iron07 on August 22, 2008, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: captpuck on August 22, 2008, 10:28:36 AM
Albright Roster now out. A ton of freshmen. looks like there expanding
there recruiting. 


Alot of very small school's from nj.More quantity than quality looks like.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on August 22, 2008, 12:48:24 PM
Very true, But if most stay around, it could also become some program
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 22, 2008, 04:36:56 PM
There is a LOT of talent in those small South Jersey schools...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on August 22, 2008, 05:05:14 PM
They seem to be attracting players from a little more north, rather than
the Cumberlin, burlington county folks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 22, 2008, 05:19:33 PM
The majority of the kids on their roster from Jersey are from pretty good programs, even the central and northern schools.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on August 22, 2008, 07:17:06 PM
Hey Knightstalker,  Were you a squid on that sub?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 22, 2008, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: captpuck on August 22, 2008, 07:17:06 PM
Hey Knightstalker,  Were you a squid on that sub?

Only another squid can call a squid a squid, but yes I was.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on August 22, 2008, 08:43:10 PM
 Matt or Gordan

What's the scoop on areas to tailgate at DelVal.  I know it's a few weeks away but there will be a huge Wesley following and they do have a good tailgating group.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on August 22, 2008, 09:20:42 PM
Knightstalker,  We use to call you guys, bubbleheads. I was an Airdale/
brownshoe. Air Controller. Last two years on the Saratoga
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on August 23, 2008, 07:45:10 PM
your allowed to tailgate in the parking lot at dvc
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on August 23, 2008, 08:13:54 PM
Quote from: DVCFan11 on August 23, 2008, 07:45:10 PM
your allowed to tailgate in the parking lot at dvc

Thanks DVCfan.
  Watched a few of High School football Thanksgiving Day games from that parking
lot a long time ago..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 23, 2008, 11:10:20 PM
While you can tailgate in the parking lot at DVC, no alcohol policy is in effect. The guards will be looking, but if you keep a low profile they usually don't press the issue.

Also, must apologize in advance for the lame visitor stands
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 24, 2008, 05:03:32 PM
CaptPuck, we used to call you guys targets.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on August 24, 2008, 05:48:21 PM
I love military talk.  Still can sing most of the Army jodies, as many ran near my bedroom window in the AM when I was little.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on August 25, 2008, 06:12:24 AM
Your right, we were pretty big targets, but we did have something you guys didn't get much of
overseas,  " Liberty " I love you Joe, No Sh-T           Haze gray and underway
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 25, 2008, 07:41:08 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on August 23, 2008, 08:13:54 PM
Quote from: DVCFan11 on August 23, 2008, 07:45:10 PM
your allowed to tailgate in the parking lot at dvc

Thanks DVCfan.
  Watched a few of High School football Thanksgiving Day games from that parking
lot a long time ago..

well then you are an alumni of either c.b.west or c.b. east(as i am..) or a fan of great h.s. football....btw tailgating is fine in the parking lot at dvc albeit no alcohol policy is in effect so keep a low profile with it and security will pretty much leave you alone
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 25, 2008, 10:30:13 AM
Boomers got no liberty, in and out of the same port.  Attack boats got liberty, I was all over the Med, plus France, Scotland, England, The Bahamas, Jamaica, Bermuda and we were in Ft Lauderdale for the 4th of July two of the three years I was on the boat.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on August 25, 2008, 12:18:06 PM
yea security wont really bother you unless you cause a scene or something. and yea our visitor stands are not that great, the administration should update it soon since they just did the field. the locker room could use a good updating as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 25, 2008, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: DVCFan11 on August 25, 2008, 12:18:06 PM
yea security wont really bother you unless you cause a scene or something. and yea our visitor stands are not that great, the administration should update it soon since they just did the field. the locker room could use a good updating as well.

u got that right our visitor stands stink...period and the locker rooms could use a major upgrade. the field is great now and home stands are nice but the visitor seating section is a little embarrassing.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on August 25, 2008, 02:54:30 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on August 22, 2008, 08:43:10 PM
Matt or Gordan

What's the scoop on areas to tailgate at DelVal.  I know it's a few weeks away but there will be a huge Wesley following and they do have a good tailgating group.

Just curious, how many people will this game draw?  3, 5, 7K or even more?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on August 25, 2008, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 25, 2008, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: DVCFan11 on August 25, 2008, 12:18:06 PM
yea security wont really bother you unless you cause a scene or something. and yea our visitor stands are not that great, the administration should update it soon since they just did the field. the locker room could use a good updating as well.

u got that right our visitor stands stink...period and the locker rooms could use a major upgrade. the field is great now and home stands are nice but the visitor seating section is a little embarrassing.

I played at Del Val back in the early 90s and the stands were bad then.  What was done to the field to upgrade it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 25, 2008, 03:03:32 PM
Quote from: D3FBFan55 on August 25, 2008, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 25, 2008, 12:44:50 PM
Quote from: DVCFan11 on August 25, 2008, 12:18:06 PM
yea security wont really bother you unless you cause a scene or something. and yea our visitor stands are not that great, the administration should update it soon since they just did the field. the locker room could use a good updating as well.

u got that right our visitor stands stink...period and the locker rooms could use a major upgrade. the field is great now and home stands are nice but the visitor seating section is a little embarrassing.

I played at Del Val back in the early 90s and the stands were bad then.  What was done to the field to upgrade it?

they basically gutted the whole field and started over...tore the whole thing up and put in new drainage systems, soil/sand/stones for proper drainage and crown on the field. they had an alumni's company do it i looked for the story on their site but couldnt find anything on it. needless to say it is sooooo much better than what it was several years ago. it is really nice to play on, just really need to re-do the visitor stands first then maybe the locker rooms
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 25, 2008, 03:22:35 PM
Ahhhh, the Del Val visitor stands....

Remember back when a fan actually fell through one section (Moravian, I think?), and they simply put tape up and "condemned" a section?

Here's hoping everyone (players AND fans:) stays healthy this year!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on August 25, 2008, 05:08:52 PM
uPBRmeASAP

No actually I am a UM alumni so I have seen all of the players at Del Val from UM play many times.  But both my sons went to East.  And I was an asst. baseball coach there in the late ninety's.   Wesley actually scrimmaged at Dev Val 10 or 11 years ago.. It was one of those good old high 90's , high humidity kind of Labor day weekends!!


  D3FBFan55

I don't know that there will be 3k at the game. I would think that with a lot of Wesley players coming from SE Pa. that the fan base should travel well to Doylestown.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 25, 2008, 07:04:00 PM
Coach Clements announced that the locker rooms are going to be rehabbed after this season. The security people will give you a harder time about taking up parking spaces to tailgate then busting your chops about the alcohol, unless you are being to obvious(ie. drinking out of the bottles/cans--use cups). The football field is really great now that it was refurbished, the grass is gorgeous. There is usually a pretty big crowd at the games, and visitor seating fills up quickly. It would be nice if they could get some alum to re-do the seating on both sides of the field. The stands on both sides are an accident waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on August 25, 2008, 08:51:49 PM
thanks for all the tailgating info.  we do have a pretty good group of folks who like to enjoy the pre and post game festivities at both home and away games.  looking forward to playing delval again since lasts years game was a very good and exciting one.  do i need to bring safety harnesses to watch the game? ;D  good luck for your season, except for week 2 of course.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 25, 2008, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on August 25, 2008, 08:51:49 PM
thanks for all the tailgating info.  we do have a pretty good group of folks who like to enjoy the pre and post game festivities at both home and away games.  looking forward to playing delval again since lasts years game was a very good and exciting one.  do i need to bring safety harnesses to watch the game? ;D  good luck for your season, except for week 2 of course.

just  bring green or yellow cups  ;) .....and dont go crazy in the parking lot and its all good!! good luck and we still invite the visiting team over to our tailgate after they lose... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 27, 2008, 07:45:04 AM
Some interesting reading on the MAC out there in the Kick-off

Not sure I agree with all of it, but I am still digesting it...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 27, 2008, 10:08:00 AM
Bman:

Once you have digested it, feel free to belch all over me with your thoughts and reactions in a personal message. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 27, 2008, 07:52:57 PM
First, to add my contribution to the Navy discussion...I've never served in any of the armed forces, and currently don't see myself heading down that career path. But back in my high school days, I did spend four years in the U.S. Naval Sea Cadet Corps, or USNSCC- a program many of you have probably worked with during your years in the blue uniform. I had some fantastic times, went to a bunch of great training programs around the northeast, and made many friends that I still talk to- all while gaining a deep respect for the men and women serving in all the armed services. To all of you current and former military folks, my compliments to you for a job well done!

Now, as for the facilities at Del Val.....

In my years at Wilkes, DVC was the campus I visited the most times of all- 3 times for football and 4 for basketball, which I also worked with. I've never sat in the visitors stands, but due to the design of the press boxes, I always had to film while sitting in the stands with the spectators- a good time, as most people were cheerful, respectful, and happy to talk. Plus, my seat always allowed me to reach in and grab another bite of the friend chicken provided before every game- easily the best press box food in the MAC, IMHO!!!

In terms of the locker rooms, I obviously never saw the home facilities, but the visitors spaces weren't all that bad- the small number of showers and bathroom fixtures were probably the only bad thing. If anyone wants to talk about bad MAC locker rooms from before 2007, the old gym in the basement of Moravian's citadel-like grandstand must rank among the worst places to spend any amount of time in. Still, none of them from the current and former period(I wasen't at Juniata, so I can't speak there) can beat the half-closet space we were stuck in at Rowan in 2005- everyone had to take turns getting dressed in there from lack of space!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 27, 2008, 11:07:21 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on August 27, 2008, 07:52:57 PM
First, to add my contribution to the Navy discussion...I've never served in any of the armed forces, and currently don't see myself heading down that career path. But back in my high school days, I did spend four years in the U.S. Naval Sea Cadet Corps, or USNSCC- a program many of you have probably worked with during your years in the blue uniform. I had some fantastic times, went to a bunch of great training programs around the northeast, and made many friends that I still talk to- all while gaining a deep respect for the men and women serving in all the armed services. To all of you current and former military folks, my compliments to you for a job well done!

Now, as for the facilities at Del Val.....

In my years at Wilkes, DVC was the campus I visited the most times of all- 3 times for football and 4 for basketball, which I also worked with. I've never sat in the visitors stands, but due to the design of the press boxes, I always had to film while sitting in the stands with the spectators- a good time, as most people were cheerful, respectful, and happy to talk. Plus, my seat always allowed me to reach in and grab another bite of the friend chicken provided before every game- easily the best press box food in the MAC, IMHO!!!

In terms of the locker rooms, I obviously never saw the home facilities, but the visitors spaces weren't all that bad- the small number of showers and bathroom fixtures were probably the only bad thing. If anyone wants to talk about bad MAC locker rooms from before 2007, the old gym in the basement of Moravian's citadel-like grandstand must rank among the worst places to spend any amount of time in. Still, none of them from the current and former period(I wasen't at Juniata, so I can't speak there) can beat the half-closet space we were stuck in at Rowan in 2005- everyone had to take turns getting dressed in there from lack of space!!

good points gwu...maybe i misspoke a little and didnt explain my thinking that well. my thoughts are being a dvc alumni i want to see the best for the school and players. i was thinking if they could improve the visitor stands (which havent been in good shape for awhile now) and upgrade the locker rooms(which looks to be scheduled after the season) they could have some nice facilities. but i see what albright has put in and makes me a little envious. i understand that kind of upgrade takes serious capital from alumni and local business. imho if dvc can do those 2 things they are able to stand and compete recruiting wise as well as make it a enjoyable experience for visiting fans and teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 28, 2008, 12:38:10 AM
Well said PBR-as a fellow alum with close ties to my school and the program, I very much appreciate your point of view. While I never sat on the visitors side, I have observed that those seats are a bit below top condition. I can't comment on the home lockers down there, btu I do agree that Albright's masterpiece dose leave the rest of us further down the ladder, no matter what improvements have been made at our schools. Indeed, it dose take serious backing from donors for major upgrades to take place, and from what I remember hearing, at least one major donation was used in the Shirk Stadium rebuilding- perhaps some of our Albright friends can offer up a bit more on that.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on August 28, 2008, 07:11:29 AM
Gordo, great job on the Kickoff Preview. Hope everyone appreciates the time that goes into such an endeavor. Well done and a bargain at the price!

Looking forward to the Aggies scrimmage with Ursinus this Saturday. Always a decent test and I know that the players will be glad to hit someone besides their teammates. If the Aggies can solisfy their desense early in the season I believe they have as good an opportunity as any to regain the MAC crown.

No matter what the outcome it's been one heck of a rise for my family. This is our final season of competitive athletics for our five children. We had a son play four years at Ursinus (three of those under G.A.) Two daughters play four years each of DI softball and finally the fourth year of football for our son at Del Val! His twin sister took more of an academic route through school and is currently a Senior at Boston University and is in Australia doing her student teaching. She is looking forward to following her brothers games on the internet.

Go Aggies!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 28, 2008, 04:05:32 PM
As for the comments on Albright's field - yes, they are well deserved. But - and please correct me if I'm wrong - Doesn't/didn't the town of Reading's public school system have a lot to do with it?
In the past, albright was a third class citizen on their home field. Has that changed? Do the public high schools still play there?
Obviously, if the schools were involved, that's an entirely different method of funding - and a pretty unique arrangement as far as this region goes....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2008, 04:29:09 PM
PBRme: Gotta be careful which button you push!

Bloomberg Accidentally Publishes Steve Jobs Obituary (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/28/bloomberg-accidentally-pu_n_122044.html)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 28, 2008, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2008, 04:29:09 PM
PBRme: Gotta be careful which button you push!

Bloomberg Accidentally Publishes Steve Jobs Obituary (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/28/bloomberg-accidentally-pu_n_122044.html)

HA!... pbr is in the financial arm not newsroom albeit if pbr told ya u could of capitalized when they stock quickly tanked after it ran....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 28, 2008, 11:27:49 PM
Bill, I do believe that Albright dose share the stadium down there with one of the local high schools- the logos of the two teams are displayed above the visitors locker room tunnel, or at least they were when I was there in 2006. I have no clue, however, about how this agreement may have played into funding the upgrades. In any event, your operation at FDU has very high-quality venues for both football and basketball- Shields Field is a bit small, but still a great place to catch a game on Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 29, 2008, 07:53:46 AM
Ahhh, but they have worse visitor facilities than DVC. It's really quite interesting that they did all that work and left that joke of visitor stands up???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 29, 2008, 12:41:11 PM
Ram

Well, we simply didn't have the money!
Funny you mention that, though, because when you arrive at FDU this year, you'll notice we installed very nice visitor stands over the summer. Visiting fans will now have a nice section to sit in.

Now, if we can just find out why Del Val won't agree to play a night game at FDU...I know the AD was for it, but the coach refused. It's tough for us to get big crowds on a sat., but Friday nights are great!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 29, 2008, 12:45:57 PM
OK, I have found a great article at  http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0LSH/is_9_8/ai_n15377903
about Albright/Reading HS 's Shirk Stadium.

The local school district contributed 2 million towards the field!
I'm glad it was able to work for them. Now if we could just get Madison HS to give us 2 million, we could finish our field the way we'd like to!   :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 29, 2008, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: bill on August 29, 2008, 12:45:57 PM
OK, I have found a great article at  http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0LSH/is_9_8/ai_n15377903
about Albright/Reading HS 's Shirk Stadium.

The local school district contributed 2 million towards the field!
I'm glad it was able to work for them. Now if we could just get Madison HS to give us 2 million, we could finish our field the way we'd like to!   :)

man your not kidding bill.....the h.s. will use the stadium for what maybe 5 games a year for $2million? what is the ROI on that? If pbr was a taxpayer there talk about being angry!!  they are putting those all weather fields in all around pbr's house now and they are in use almost every night of the week for h.s. sports. field hockey, soccer, football, lacrosse, etc....so much better as its softer than natural grass and doesnt wear out. the traditional grass fields were a mud pit by november and useless. but in the article it says the h.s. will only play football on it and maybe a few district events...pbr knows that wouldnt fly around here locally w/ taxpayers money. if private donations funded it that is one thing but not the public for ~5 games a year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 29, 2008, 01:40:06 PM
The article doesn't mention it, but I believe some of the money also went to the Rec Center, and that Albright's Rec Center is also used by the local community. Of course, I could be wrong about that too, but....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 29, 2008, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: bill on August 29, 2008, 01:40:06 PM
The article doesn't mention it, but I believe some of the money also went to the Rec Center, and that Albright's Rec Center is also used by the local community. Of course, I could be wrong about that too, but....

yes i am sure its kinda like hours of ice hockey in h.s. where the local community is free to use the center from 11pm to 5am everyday of the week when the students are sleeping....nothing like having an ice hockey game at 4am
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hit1sticks on August 29, 2008, 06:50:04 PM
Former Albright player/grad here... Reading High contributed a couple million I believe for the stadium, along with a couple million from the college itself, along with a million (i believe) from a local alumnist.  The money for the new weightroom was largely contributed from a local women in the Reading community who lived a few blocks from the campus as a child. The story from what we were told was that when she was a young child, an albright football player taught her how to throw a spiral, and she never forgot that, and contributed to the college.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on August 30, 2008, 02:21:59 AM
Hi folks, I attended Widener University a number of years back, during the years of football coach Bill Cubit and basketball coach C Alan Rowe.  I'm certain this question was asked before, so pardon me for asking it again, but when exactly did Widener decide to drop it's decades old nickname Pioneers and replace it with Pride....and why?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 30, 2008, 02:40:44 AM
hit1sticks, I remember you posting on here a few years back, when I was only looking and not posting- good to see you're back in action. I've heard several different variations on the story of the old woman and her donations over the last few years- one Albright fan even told me that the team stays in a hotel the night before games thanks to her contributions. In any event, that's a good deal for the program. 

As for the visitors seating, I was always happy to say that Wilkes provides plenty of space for visiting teams, as both grandstands are of equal size and can hold many people. On the flip side, the stands are getting old and are always in need of repair, and the playing surface is another issue entirely. I know many members of the administration very well and know they look after the program, and hopefully positive steps will be taken to bring Ralston Field in line with the other venues we all enjoy visiting around the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DanPadavona on August 30, 2008, 07:38:13 AM
For any Wilkes fans heading up to Cortland for the scrimmage today -

You are probably aware if you live in the Scranton-WB vicinity that I-81 is a mess in that area.  It was pretty bad near the NY/PA border a few weeks ago too, where I got stuck in traffic on a Saturday for over an hour.  It seems the southbound lanes have been worse than the northbound lanes, but I wouldn't count on zero delays.  Also consider taking the 476 by-pass around Scranton-WB.

Make sure you give yourself extra time to get to the scrimmage (noon).  And drive safe!   8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on August 30, 2008, 09:30:00 AM
Any score on the Albright/ College of NJ scrimage from last night?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 30, 2008, 12:45:41 PM
JMcClosky:

Here's the story on why Widener changed its nickname (http://widener.edu/admissions/news/news_story.asp?iNewsID=296).  The switch happened on October 7, 2006 during homecoming weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on August 30, 2008, 05:56:37 PM
final score Ursinus 20 DVC 14. could they be in trouble next week for Iona? anyone go 2 the game and have any info what caused them to lose? i only got the score from a friend who texted me after they finished
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 30, 2008, 07:50:11 PM
Gordon

Thanks for that.  I always assumed the Pioneers was related to the Military acadamy since the Military engineers were generally referred to as pioneers...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on August 30, 2008, 08:50:13 PM
DVC Fan 11

Attended the Aggies scrimmage today, score was not a good indication of the scrimmage. Aggies got handled by the Bears the whole first half. Score at half was 20 - 0. Aggies reserves scored twice in the fourth quarter to make it look closer.

Aggies were not sharp on either side of the ball. Ursinus scored all of it's points on long plays. 60 yard run featruring lack of containment and shabby tackling was the first score. Two long pass plays accounted for the other two scores, one of which was a dropped coverage by the aggies.

In their defense, the Aggies were not able to use one of their better weapons in Isgro's running ability as the ref whistled the plays dead when ever the QB was closed in on. Aggies have some work to do in the upcoming week to tighten things up. I'm sure the coaching staff will correct alot of the mental errors that I witnessed today.

Go Aggies! Looking forward to next weeks game already.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on August 31, 2008, 11:13:29 AM
Aggies were also without their DL Rissinger who is nursing a bad back. However, the secondary needs a lot of work! And the O-line didn't look impressive either
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 01, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
well the Aggies will be with out the services of Rissinger for at least 4 weeks due to the hurt back so that unit will have to pick it up. What should the Aggies be most worried about going into the opener? The secondary, or the offensive line? it seems like for the past three seasons everyone is always talking about the line being a weak link, shouldnt they be decent this year after only losing one starter to graduation? i cant wait for the opener it should be a great game against Iona
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 01, 2008, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: bman on August 30, 2008, 07:50:11 PM
Gordon

Thanks for that.  I always assumed the Pioneers was related to the Military acadamy since the Military engineers were generally referred to as pioneers...

Pep thought that Widener at one time was known as PMC Colleges....was it Penn Military Corps Colleges or was it Penn Military College (PMC)?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2008, 01:40:18 PM
The latter, yes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 02, 2008, 07:09:41 AM
My brother attended Pennsylvania Military College in the 60's until it was discovered he had high blood pressure. Finished his college at Del Val so I have a bit of a connection with both schools.

Remember that they played a football game against Kings Point which they touted as the "Little Army/Navy Game "/ The one I attended was in convention hall in Atlantic City. They laid sod inside and I don't remember much about the game but I still have vivid memories of the color guards and rifle drill teams that performed at half time. Was an outstanding show!

Go Aggies!!! 5 days and counting!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 02, 2008, 07:40:44 AM
Quote from: FearTheRam on August 31, 2008, 11:13:29 AM
Aggies were also without their DL Rissinger who is nursing a bad back. However, the secondary needs a lot of work! And the O-line didn't look impressive either

big question this year for pbr was the defense....dvc lost a lot of players and players who really controlled the game on defense. me thinks isgro is going to have to carry this team for several games until the d gets some experience
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 02, 2008, 06:12:12 PM
One nice thing about the Aggies schedule is that they start with three quality opponents agin this year before starting their conference schedule.

Gives the defense some time to make adjustments and get through their growing pains before the main part of their schedule starts. Looking for a good effort by the Aggies on both sides of the ball this Saturday. Playing at home on natural grass may help even the playing field against Wesley and Salisbury this year. Now if the weather will just cooperate and not get too stinking hot the Aggies should be in all three games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 02, 2008, 07:29:23 PM
The Aggies opened the season last year with these same three teams but i hope the results chance this year (0-3 in 2007). I gotta say im a little worried about that offensive line since last year Iona got to, and was in Isgro's face almost all game. The defense needs to pick it up to, they cant let Iona jump on them early and cant lose the lead like they did last year. Anyone got any news on the injury front for the Aggies? who does Widener open with?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 02, 2008, 07:39:53 PM
Delaware Valley confirmed that DL Greg Rissinger will not play this weekend due to injury.  The run defense has been a big strength of this team the past three seasons so there's a lot of pressure on the newcomers (Natale, Porter) to perform.

Widener opens at North Carolina Wesleyan next week.  They scrimmage Penn at Franklin Field on Friday afternoon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 02, 2008, 08:55:39 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 02, 2008, 07:39:53 PM
Delaware Valley confirmed that DL Greg Rissinger will not play this weekend due to injury.  The run defense has been a big strength of this team the past three seasons so there's a lot of pressure on the newcomers (Natale, Porter) to perform.

Widener opens at North Carolina Wesleyan next week.  They scrimmage Penn at Franklin Field on Friday afternoon.

gordon, pls pass along to everyone at dvc on how great the new website looks!! It is sooo much easier to navigate and looks great!! well done by everyone.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmccloskey on September 03, 2008, 01:50:20 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 01, 2008, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: bman on August 30, 2008, 07:50:11 PM
Gordon

Thanks for that.  I always assumed the Pioneers was related to the Military acadamy since the Military engineers were generally referred to as pioneers...

Pep thought that Widener at one time was known as PMC Colleges....was it Penn Military Corps Colleges or was it Penn Military College (PMC)?


The PMC Colleges was from when there were actually two colleges using the same campus..Penn Military College, and (I believe) Penn Manor College, which was a traditional four year college.  Eventually the military college was closed down, though present day Widener still has a strong ROTC chapter.  One remainder of the PMC days was the broom drill, held at the Homecoming game.  You'd have retired vets who'd attended PMC, some in their 80s, marching across the field carrying their brooms for the official "inspection", it was certainly a unique tradition.  That was discontinued when Leslie C Quick stadium was decommissioned, though.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on September 03, 2008, 10:12:35 AM
Does anyone know of a site that has a list of the D3 pre-season All Americans?  I didnt see it on this site.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2008, 10:17:01 AM
There's a link for All-Americans (http://www.d3football.com/tow/allamericans.htm) on the left-hand rail of every news page.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 03, 2008, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: jmccloskey on September 03, 2008, 01:50:20 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 01, 2008, 01:26:44 PM
Quote from: bman on August 30, 2008, 07:50:11 PM
Gordon

Thanks for that.  I always assumed the Pioneers was related to the Military acadamy since the Military engineers were generally referred to as pioneers...

Pep thought that Widener at one time was known as PMC Colleges....was it Penn Military Corps Colleges or was it Penn Military College (PMC)?


The PMC Colleges was from when there were actually two colleges using the same campus..Penn Military College, and (I believe) Penn Manor College, which was a traditional four year college.  Eventually the military college was closed down, though present day Widener still has a strong ROTC chapter.  One remainder of the PMC days was the broom drill, held at the Homecoming game.  You'd have retired vets who'd attended PMC, some in their 80s, marching across the field carrying their brooms for the official "inspection", it was certainly a unique tradition.  That was discontinued when Leslie C Quick stadium was decommissioned, though.

Thanks for the clarification, jmccloskey, Pep vividly remembers seeing "PMC Colleges" listed and, in fact, either the coach or athletic director was a member (perhaps chair) of the selection committee for the former Knute Rockne Bowl that snubbed an undefeated 1971 Alfred University football team (8-0) in favor for the larger Bridgeport University (8-1) squad in a meeting with, Pep believes, Hampden-Sydney.

Pep probably wrote a letter to said committee member at PMC Colleges. That was long before D3football.com and Post Patterns where Pep can daily express his feelings of support for his Saxons.....Thanks, Pat!  ;)




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 03, 2008, 01:20:01 PM
jmmcloskey-
The broom drill actually originated from the cadets using brooms to drill with during war times do to a lack of available weapons. The  drill  tradition still takes place at every home coming game and its importance is explained to the students players, and fans. Also the "pride" still play at Quick stadium.

Update from, camp : I am told that the overall numbers are down with only around 105 players on the team. I was also told that it appeared that around 10 players were on the sidelines with some type of injury. The blue gold game was competitive but there are some questions surrounding the depth of talent after the starters.  Which could stem from the number of players that are out with injuries. I was also told that all 3 Qb's looked good.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on September 03, 2008, 02:54:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2008, 10:17:01 AM
There's a link for All-Americans (http://www.d3football.com/tow/allamericans.htm) on the left-hand rail of every news page.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 04, 2008, 09:38:46 PM
Weather doesn't look promising for Saturday, does that help or hurt what the Aggies will try and do?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 04, 2008, 11:05:29 PM
Tough to say.

Stormy weather certainly hurts passing oriented teams, but I'm not sure that describes Delaware Valley any more.  They are most effective when they can use the speed of their receivers, spread defenses out and let Isgro hurt teams with his arm and legs.  They've won slogfests with a heavy dose of running attacks (Juniata in 2004, King's in 2006).  Iona had a very good run defense last year, but I believe a lot of that unit is gone.

Defensively, the Aggies were very good against the run and were hurt by big plays last year.  Bad weather mitigates the big play threat but, again, this is a different crew so is the run defense still a strength?

I hope the field holds up in the bad weather, because there's a long season to go with 5 more games at home.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 04, 2008, 11:20:28 PM
On that note, if Del Val fans would rather not pack up the ark for tailgating, you can stay home and listen to the game online.

Iona Gaels
versus
Delaware Valley
Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen. 

The link won't be active until 12:40 pm for pregame.  You'll need Windows Media Player 9.0 to listen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 05, 2008, 10:09:44 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 04, 2008, 11:05:29 PM
Tough to say.

Stormy weather certainly hurts passing oriented teams, but I'm not sure that describes Delaware Valley any more.  They are most effective when they can use the speed of their receivers, spread defenses out and let Isgro hurt teams with his arm and legs.  They've won slogfests with a heavy dose of running attacks (Juniata in 2004, King's in 2006).  Iona had a very good run defense last year, but I believe a lot of that unit is gone.

Defensively, the Aggies were very good against the run and were hurt by big plays last year.  Bad weather mitigates the big play threat but, again, this is a different crew so is the run defense still a strength?

I hope the field holds up in the bad weather, because there's a long season to go with 5 more games at home.

good points gordon...if memory serves pbr right wasnt the widener came played in a driving rain storm last year as well? that game didnt turn out too well for the fighin ag's though
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2008, 12:44:03 PM
Quite right, PBR.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 05, 2008, 02:03:29 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 05, 2008, 12:44:03 PM
Quite right, PBR.

gordon fyi just saw the latest weather forecast....holy 'ish...allentown, pa calling for 7.5 inches of rain and 30mph steady winds and gusts up to 55mph ....worst of it will be mid to late afternoon. after showers overnight tonight might even get a break early morning tomorrow until about noon then the really heavy stuff. schools should really consider moving the game up an hour to try and get it done by 3pm if possible. logistically might be too late at this point

EDIT: weather is going to be a huge factor tomorrow in alot of d3 games playing in the area. havent checked the schedule but teams IF playing home affected heavily will be  dvc, muhlenberg, moravian, ursinus, widener (but think they are in nc), albright
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2008, 03:07:18 PM
Yeah.

Widener dodges the storm by scrimmaging Penn at Franklin Field, right now actually.

Would've been a rough weekend to drive to an dfrom NC Wesleyan.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 05, 2008, 07:27:30 PM
i think that dvc will be hurt badly by the weather, i mean look at what happened last year against widener. i hope it doesnt hurt them to bad though, id love to see some payback for last years fourth quarter collapse.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 05, 2008, 10:05:36 PM
gordonmann

Looks like we could get the brunt of the storm around 1 pm tomorrow. I hope the wind is to your back. They say the storm may come inland a little more
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 05, 2008, 10:21:06 PM
FDU pull of the upset vs. TCNJ, and wins a wild one 42-41.

Great job by the Devils!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2008, 10:56:35 PM
Yuck.  Break out the rain gear, I guess.

Nice job by FDU, by the way.  Good way for the MAC to start non-conference play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 05, 2008, 11:01:14 PM
Quote from: bill on September 05, 2008, 10:21:06 PM
FDU pull of the upset vs. TCNJ, and wins a wild one 42-41.

Great job by the Devils!
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I guess I'm going 0-2 (vs. straight & Spread) along with everyone else. Congrats to FDU :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 06, 2008, 12:01:28 AM
Congrats to the crew at FDU for a quality win to start the season!

To kick off the season, I should be in the house tomorrow evening at Muhlenburg when the Coach Sheptock and the Colonels look to get back to their winning ways against a very tough opponent. In addition, I hope to stop in for most of the King's-RMC game on the new turf at Betzler Feilds at 1. Hopefully I can attend both, but if the expected severe weather comes in strong and makes travel from Scranton difficult, I may be forced to sit this one out.

In any event, best wishes to all of you on the start of another year with your favorite D3 team- have a safe trip to whatever game you'll be at, and try your best to keep dry :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 06, 2008, 10:24:04 AM
Major congrats to FDU on beating TCNJ!  It must have been one heck of an exciting game!  Don't ya love it when the MAC beats out-of-conference?!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 06, 2008, 01:05:59 PM
Quote from: kate on September 06, 2008, 10:24:04 AM
Major congrats to FDU on beating TCNJ!  It must have been one heck of an exciting game!  Don't ya love it when the MAC beats out-of-conference?!

I take it that it doesnt happen much then if your that excited about it...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 06, 2008, 02:03:02 PM
Kate
It was an extremely exciting game. I wouldn't say it was the "best played", though. There were 8 fumbles, 1 int, and at least 2 sure fire int's for TD's that were dropped!
However, the fans got their money's worth. If you liked gut wrenching turns of events, with lots of scoring, then this was the game for you...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 06, 2008, 02:16:08 PM
dvc needs a huge second half here as they trail 21-7 at the half. i hope dvc can have some magic in the second half or it could be a day to forget..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 06, 2008, 02:22:55 PM
The rains have arrived in Doylestown. Del Val will have to grind it out and get some good field position going to get back in the game. Isgro may have to run it more.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 06, 2008, 02:27:25 PM
yea its pouring here, down pouring might be the better term. sitting in my car at the moment to try and stay dry
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 06, 2008, 02:34:29 PM
Keeping dry here with a live video stream of the game at Ithaca who is up 10-3 at the half...Lyco with a number of costly penalties...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 06, 2008, 02:57:16 PM
Ithaca 10-3 at the end of 3qtr with Lyco in the red zone....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 06, 2008, 02:59:46 PM
TOUCHDOWN WARRIORS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 06, 2008, 03:02:23 PM
end of the third quarter dvc is coming back trailing only 21-13
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 06, 2008, 03:07:08 PM
WARRIORS IN TH RED ZONE AGAIN!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 06, 2008, 03:09:32 PM
1ST AND GOAL AT THE 6....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 06, 2008, 03:10:21 PM
TOUCHDOWN WARRIORS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 06, 2008, 03:20:46 PM
TOUCHDOWN AGGIES!!!! two point conversion no good. Aggies trail by two with 7:53 left. 19 unanswered aggies points!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 06, 2008, 03:22:01 PM
Touchdown Ithaca.....17-16 Ithaca
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 06, 2008, 03:31:33 PM
28-19 Iona with 3:11 left..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 06, 2008, 03:40:41 PM
17-16 Ithaca...Final
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 06, 2008, 03:45:37 PM
27-19 Iona over Delval. The Aggies just could not recover from a very poor first half, including a interception off Isgro and two lost fumbles.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 06, 2008, 05:37:45 PM
The Aggies fell behind by too much early on.  It's very tough to come back from 21 in that weather.  They would've had to play a perfect game the rest of the way and didn't quite get there.

The field held up nicely and the running game was solid.  That's your silver lining.

Jeremia Jones rang up 192 yards and four touchdowns as King's rolled Randolph-Macon.  There's your MAC offensive player of the week, quite likely.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 06, 2008, 05:45:17 PM
gordonmann

Isgro didn't run for many yrds. Did the D take away the lanes so that he couldn't get outside?  I tried like heck to listen but you had a bad feed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 06, 2008, 06:31:23 PM
Isgro finished with 42 yards rushing, though a lot came late.  I think the weather limited his effectiveness as much as anything.  The Aggies didn't go shotgun spread very often and that's where he's most dangerous to run the ball.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 06, 2008, 06:43:56 PM
looks like the storm may be winding down in delaware
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 06, 2008, 07:56:34 PM
Simba,

I could not hear the game but watched the running score in the wee hours of the morning here in Japan.

How did the boys do?

It seemed as if they were competitive.

While it is not a ring of the victory bell - the lanyard was almost in their hands.

I say - way to go - "Go Warriors"

On another note - all Aggie fans - DVC lost a close one to Iona - good showing for the MAC.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 06, 2008, 08:10:52 PM
Gordon
What about FDU Junior quarterback Bill Winters : 17-for-30 for 272 with two touchdowns, ran for another 143 yards on 22 carries with four touchdowns on the ground, including that game-winner from three yards out with 0:19 left in regulation ... I think he should be a candidate for player of the week as well....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on September 06, 2008, 09:34:37 PM
Albright played tough against Salisbury but lost 30-28
10-0 at half time ..... Offenses cam to play in the second half.

Not bad after last years ass whoopin
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 07, 2008, 09:44:02 AM
im very worried about that dvc offense, they played terrible in the first half. i hope it was just because of the rain. dvc will have to play 100 times better against wesley next week and will now be huge underdogs. im very happy by how the MAC teams played this week. every game was close and competitive. i cant wait for these MAC games to start. and congrats to the MAC teams who won this week, (FDU, Kings, Leb Val).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 07, 2008, 06:11:00 PM
I am not nearly as disappointed as you DVC. Although they made a few mistakes and costly turnovers in the game I thought they responded well to the adversity of a 21 - 0 hole. It's not like they didn't move the ball on the ground well because they did. In fact they outgained the Iona team on the ground. Considereing their run offense last year against Iona was almost non existent I feel this was a real positive for them.

The defense stiffened and controlled the second half until the late interception took the air out of the rally! Considering that Iona offensive line almost averaged 290 pounds, which dwarfed the Aggie defense, they held firm for the most paart.

Looking forward to this weeks Wesley game. It will be a test but anyone who saw last year's contest knows that the Aggies can stay on the field with Wesley if not beat them if some things go their way. Though they only lost last year's contest due to the extreme heat. Looking for a tight hard hitting game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 07, 2008, 06:45:02 PM
DVC, while it was a disappointing loss, mostly because Iona was not a better team than the Aggies, I think it's important to see some strong positives come out of a game played in horrific conditions. With the exception of the first drive, the O-line was impressive allowing all the running backs to gain good yardage, while opening some impressive holes. Obviously, the QB/center snap issues must be resolved as that was a major problem, but could be attributed to the weather and the passing game is hard to guage since neither team could pass in those conditions, but if you can run the ball effectively week-in-week-out, and at least pass efficiently, you can win.

It sounds as if the MAC is going to be a dogfight every week, and the Aggies should certainly be right in that mix. The next two opponents will be challenging, as both possess some outstanding speed, but either way DVC will be able to work through some growing pains with young guys, and be prepared for the conference schedule when it starts on October 4
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2008, 07:17:02 PM
Bill:

Yowser.  I stand corrected.  What a performance by Winters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 07, 2008, 07:39:43 PM
kingsting, be careful what you wish for.  delval played almost a perfect game last year and still lost.  wesley had 4 turnovers and was still able to win.  granted they will have to protect the ball better then last year or it will be a close game, if not it wont be.  since wesley's o line is at least as big as iona's with all 5 returning from last year it could be a long day for delval.

i think dvcfan must have been at last years game to make that statement.  he is aware of how good wesley may be this year.

here is hoping that the weather will be good.

since we travel pretty well, what are the tailgating restrictions at delval.  i find it funny how many campuses claim to be dry, but if you keep it under control all is good.  what do we need to know when we visit since we are in it for a good time as well as seeing a good game.  any info you guys can pass my way i will get it to the other wesley fans.  thanks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 08, 2008, 12:50:52 PM
Wesley Dad, we're all aware of last year's game, and yes the Aggie "D" did cause the Wolverines to cough up the ball a few times, however, the Aggie "O" was slow to materialize last year(and yes Wesley's D was a big part of that)and it took them until the Salisbury game before Isgro and company found themselves. It's quite obvious that Wesley is a great team and it will be a good guage for the Aggies to see where they'll stand in the MAC.

As for the tailgating, good luck with Public Works they were a bit confrontational last week and are stepping up their efforts to curb alcohol on site.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 08, 2008, 01:10:30 PM
Wow, now that you explained to us how overmatched we will be, Wesleydad, I will put a phone call in to the AD and see if we can't have the game forfeited to you! Once evryone finds out how good you are (on Paper) no one will even bother to play you. Question, can you get into the playoffs with an 0 - 0 record????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on September 08, 2008, 01:31:30 PM
Guaranteed Wesleydad is probably one of those disgruntled Delaware parents that thinks their son should of been playing D1 somewhere.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2008, 01:36:10 PM
Funny comments coming from a couple of new posters to a guy who's been here a while. Welcome to the board and all that, but this isn't one of those boards where we take misspelled shots at each other.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 08, 2008, 03:03:35 PM
I apologize Pat, but I believe he fired the first salvo by inferring the Aggies were lucky last year. I did not see the game that way and I don't think honestly you did either.

By the way, you took a bit of a shot yourslef with the spelling comment, but hey I can dig it. I like your style!

Go Aggies !!!!! and let the best team win.

P.S. I mwy be new to posting but I have followed this site since for years, I belueve you call them lurkers .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 08, 2008, 06:09:20 PM
fear, thanks for the heads up on the tailgating.  we will keep it in mind as we plan for the game.

king, it is your belief that based on last years game delval has a chance to win.  since last years game has very little to do with this years, i based my opinion on what i have heard about delval so far this year.  i believe i read where they struggled in the scrimmage with ursinus, who by the way played well beating alfred this weekend.  i also listened to the game this weekend and although i am sure the weather had an effect on both teams, i did not hear much that makes me think that if wesley does not turn the ball over delval has a chance.

as far as me inferring anything, i dont bother inferring, i will tell u what i think.  wesley is expected to be better on offense this year and delval is not expected to be as good on defense, that combination may be trouble for delval.  obviously you didnt read the entire post or only chose the parts to argue with, i said the the game will be close if wesley does not protect the ball.

since nothing matters until the game is played and all of this is just conjecture, but wesley is expected to be very good, you dont get ranked 3 in the nation by chance.  that is why we have conversation.  you can point out why you believe delval will win and i will gladly read your comments and respond in kind.

as pat said, welcome to the board and i look forward to exchanging ideas about this weeks game with all the delval supporters, you guys traveled well last year and i only hope that wesley will do the same, although from what i read on this site earlier, not sure if the visitor stands will be that good for us if we do :D.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 08, 2008, 07:46:48 PM
QuoteWhat about FDU Junior quarterback Bill Winters : 17-for-30 for 272 with two touchdowns, ran for another 143 yards on 22 carries with four touchdowns on the ground, including that game-winner from three yards out with 0:19 left in regulation ... I think he should be a candidate for player of the week as well....

As another Bill predicted, Bill Winters was the MAC's offensive POW.  Defensive honors went to Dane Eichelberger (Leb Val) and special teams honors to Colt Zarilla (Leb Val).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 08, 2008, 08:37:59 PM
gordonmann

Is there any specific time that people are allowed in the parking lot  for the games?
Am i correct that you enter from 202?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on September 08, 2008, 08:39:42 PM
Sorry about that wesleydad and Pat that was not a needed comment........ I have just heard it from so many dads from a certain high school down here that it grates on you a bit.....  Wesley does have an outstanding program...Drass does an outstanding recruting job

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 08, 2008, 08:45:29 PM
cjsjags, no problem.  i was not offended by it, my son is from pa and did get looked at by temple and kutztown, unfortunately he did not do well on that thing called the sat.  he is very lucky to have been given a chance to go to a school like wesley and still play football.  coach drass has been very helpful in his growth as a football player and more importantly as a person.  things happen for a reason and he ended up there, 2 semis and 1 quarter in the 3 years he has played so it has been fun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 08, 2008, 09:03:39 PM
PA, no set time, and yes you enter off 202. The further you are from the stadium entrance, the less likely the rent-a-cops will bother you.

And Pat, while Wesleydad may be a vet poster on the board, his posting on the MAC board was just trying to stir things up. Additionally, though I'm a second stringer on this board, I've followed Wesley football for a number of years, even before my son's tenure at DVC and I've not missed an Aggies's game over the past three years. I've even had the pleasure of taking in 4 years of Centennial Confernece games including the 2 years G.A. was coaching there. So, while I've declined to partake in the lively banter of this board prior to now, I've been around quite a while.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 08, 2008, 09:57:15 PM
Quote from: KingSting999 on September 08, 2008, 09:03:39 PM
PA, no set time, and yes you enter off 202. The further you are from the stadium entrance, the less likely the rent-a-cops will bother you.

And Pat, while Wesleydad may be a vet poster on the board, his posting on the MAC board was just trying to stir things up. Additionally, though I'm a second stringer on this board, I've followed Wesley football for a number of years, even before my son's tenure at DVC and I've not missed an Aggies's game over the past three years. I've even had the pleasure of taking in 4 years of Centennial Confernece games including the 2 years G.A. was coaching there. So, while I've declined to partake in the lively banter of this board prior to now, I've been around quite a while.

apologies around the horn and glad to see it bothered no one (luckily a group hug wasnt needed), now they play the game to settle it on field.... oh  and GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 08, 2008, 10:08:14 PM
Funny I was out at a bar watching the Florida/Miami game when up on the espn scoreboard was the Del Val game........

One benefit of playing d-1aa teams is that your score gets to be on espn....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 08, 2008, 10:37:00 PM
Yes, the press box phone was unusually busy this week, largely thanks to an aggressive ESPN staffer who wanted frequent updates.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 09, 2008, 07:35:47 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 08, 2008, 10:37:00 PM
Yes, the press box phone was unusually busy this week, largely thanks to an aggressive ESPN staffer who wanted frequent updates.

u mean it wasnt erin andrews calling in for updates or just chat w/ u gordon?

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdontcostnothing.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F06%2Ferinandrews1.jpg&hash=c925bebe3ab76c50cddc9c96fe2cb8fcd7cd2b95)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 09, 2008, 08:03:31 AM
Hello Gordon, Pat and PBR.....1st chance for me to get on the board this year...too many prior commitments...It sounds as if the DVC "O" is kind of struggling but with that weather I am sure putting plays together was difficult...couldnt make the game but should be there this week and also next...I read that DVC is predicted to tie for 2nd in hte MAC along with Albright. What is your take on it? As everyone knows the MAC is always a dogfight. What are your guys predictions. Gordon, will stop by booth in the next couple of weeks....see you soon

GO AGGIES!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 09, 2008, 08:08:01 AM
Hey PBR   Where do you keep getting those pictures....they are not in the photo gallery...LOL
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 09, 2008, 10:34:01 AM
PBR and Knightstalker should start a board with their all-time greatest pictures...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 09, 2008, 10:40:33 AM
Hey Sting, I got your back on this one! Seems like Wesley dad was just looking for someone to respond so that he could assert his(team's)superiority. Otherwise, why bring up last year's game and insinuate DVC was lucky to be in the game, only thanks to some gifts from Wesley? It would be different if some of the DelVal folks were over on the Independent site talking a little smack, but he came here looking to turn up the heat.

I'm not so sure we can put too much stock in the O's performance Saturday. Due to the weather the passing game was basically a no-go. Therefore, Mike's running was pretty much eliminated and it makes it easier to defend when you know it's a running play. Will we get any better guage this Saturday? Maybe not, as Wesley is indeed a very good team. It may be like last year when the Offense never really started producing until we got into the MAC schedule. These first three teams are all challenging and we don't necessarily match up well with them. But, that doesn't mean the Aggies aren't going to put up a fight and if they can limit mistakes on both sides of the ball, it could again be anyone's game, as it was last year.

Good to see some of the old Aggies' posters back on the board. It's been kind of quiet, and boring since you've been gone.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 09, 2008, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: Conrad on September 09, 2008, 10:34:01 AM
PBR and Knightstalker should start a board with their all-time greatest pictures...

Just for that here you go.

Todays  TOTD  (http://www.q1043.com/pages/babes/thong.html?image_string=/9_9_2008.jpg&month=1220971114).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on September 09, 2008, 03:09:10 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on September 08, 2008, 08:37:59 PM
gordonmann

Is there any specific time that people are allowed in the parking lot  for the games?
Am i correct that you enter from 202?
Yes, you enter from 202, about 1/4 mile from Rte. 611.  If you hit the 7/11 you went too far.  The last time I stepped on a football field in uniform, Delaware Valley beat Wesley 30-29 back in 1992.  Good luck to both teams this weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 09, 2008, 04:23:09 PM
Quote from: D3FBFan55 on September 09, 2008, 03:09:10 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on September 08, 2008, 08:37:59 PM
gordonmann

Is there any specific time that people are allowed in the parking lot  for the games?
Am i correct that you enter from 202?
Yes, you enter from 202, about 1/4 mile from Rte. 611.  If you hit the 7/11 you went too far.  The last time I stepped on a football field in uniform, Delaware Valley beat Wesley 30-29 back in 1992.  Good luck to both teams this weekend.

D3FBFan55

Thanks. I live right down the road from the college but I haven't been to a game there since Wesley scrimmage in late nineties. And when the East/West games were played there it was a just a tad different landscape. I just wanted to make sure when I give out directions.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2008, 08:18:33 PM
Hangtime:

Good to hear from you.  Hope you're doing well.

I agree with FeartheRam on the offense.  It's too soon to tell whether it has improved or not.  On one hand, the weather took away the passing attack for both teams and the Aggies were still able to pick up yards on the ground, even with Iona expecting the run.  Cook looked very good and Adam Smith made a nice contribution.  On the other hand, Iona graduated a lot of guys off the unit that held the Aggies to 30 yards in 2007.

I can't give away the trade secrets we published in Kickoff, but I think the Aggies will be competitive for the MAC title.  Those last couple weeks with Wilkes, Albright and Widener will be huge.  But you can't discount anyone given last weekend's results.  Winters had a monster game for FDU, King's did well against Randolph-Macon, Leb Val won a game in bad conditions and Lyco played very well as underdogs on the road at a Top 25 team.  Should be a fun conference season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 09, 2008, 09:21:11 PM
Any thoughts on the Montclair vs Wilkes game ? Should be at great Saturday at Sam Mills Field and look forward to seeing everyone  at the Train Station.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 09, 2008, 11:11:31 PM
It is great to see all of the early season banter has once again returned with our wonderful visitors from other conferences. I had a chance to take in two games last weekend watching the Widener vs. U Penn scrimmage on Friday and the Del Val Iona contest on Saturday.

Wu looked very good on D holding UPenn to 14pts in the first half with both touchdowns coming on short fields caused by turnovers. When the starters exited at the half the score was 14 - 3. On offense their are some questions at QB. but the receivers looked very good especially the transfer.

I thought that Del Val looked good in the second half on both sides of the ball they just could not overcome the early 21pt. deficit caused key turnovers. Cook was impressive and Smith adds a nice change of pace. I was amazed that the field held up as well as it did. In the past it would have been a mess.

Wesleydad - I do agree that your offense has many returning weapons and should be very formidable, but I would also point out that Wesley lost many key players on a very good D. That was a key to your victory over the Aggies last season.  I know that Drass is a great recruiter, and I am sure the talent level remains high, but are there any concerns about how their replacements will produce.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on September 10, 2008, 08:26:37 AM
I heard Del Val has a new field this year.  Has anyone seen it, and did it get torn up this past weekend (or were they away?)  Just curious why they didn't put turn down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 10, 2008, 09:20:44 AM
Quote from: D3FBFan55 on September 10, 2008, 08:26:37 AM
I heard Del Val has a new field this year.  Has anyone seen it, and did it get torn up this past weekend (or were they away?)  Just curious why they didn't put turn down.

fyi dvc's field was redone several years ago by an alumni who did an incredible job. he gutted it, put in correct drains, stones/sand/dirt etc...crown etc...wasnt at the game but gordon said it held up very well considering if you were in the area and saw how much rain fell
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2008, 10:02:54 AM
Yeah, I didn't walk around on the field after the game but it looked like it weathered the storm very well.  The Iona Offensive Coordinator commented to me in the press box after the game that he was impressed how well it held up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 10, 2008, 12:52:52 PM
D3FBF, Gordon, PBR...that is why they spent the "Big Bucks" to get the field done right...BTW it was redone in 2006...None the less this weeks game will be a barn burner...GO AGGIES"

Fear the Ram...thanks for the welcome back...did we ever meet at "Tailgating" or at the field??

PBR...are you still involved with the soccer thing?  Maybe I will catch you at family day?

Gordon...I think I may have worn out the CD, thanks once again for the effort, it was much appreciated and listened to many times...thank you for saving those memories.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 10, 2008, 08:32:55 PM
wudline, no doubt it will be hard to replace robinson at d end and ox at d tackle, but it seems that most of the rest are back and they have brought in some more speed in the defensive backfield.  the d line will be the concern until they get to play a game and we see how the replacements do, the scrimmage was tough as they werent allowed to hit the Qb.  looking forward to the game on saturday, this week delay has been brutal.  see everyone on saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on September 11, 2008, 02:10:39 PM
Hey guys, you seem to know the D3 football in the area pretty well, and you're not too biased.  Well the other day  I was reading ESPN and they compare the different conferences.  I was thinking how that same comparison would work in the local D3 field.

That being said, how would you rank the conferences listed below?

NJAC
MAC
Empire 8
Centennial
Liberty
New England Football Conference
New England Small College Conference
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 11, 2008, 02:53:09 PM
You can see how D3football.com ranks the conferences in this year's Kickoff Preview (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 12, 2008, 04:16:54 PM
Gordon,

Do you have a link to the broadcasts of the Aggie football games? Last season there was a site that you could go to and listen to the games for about a month after the fact. Does that site still exist?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 12, 2008, 05:26:35 PM
gordonmann

Will you be making the rounds before you go into the booth tomorrow?

Here are some thoughts on the game

Del Val showed that they can run the ball with Cook.  Isgro didn't get a lot of yards on the ground last week but is very dangerous outside the pocket running or passing. He has some good receivers to throw to.

Wesley has to stay focused early and not come out too over anxious. Wesley has two running backs (Jackson and Pennewell) who have rushed for 1000 yrds.,a tight end(Lanouette) that catches everything, a wideout(Beavers) who runs away from people and maybe the best return man in college football. Add to that TB
(Knight) and WO and punt returner (Neuman) and whoever else has a breakout year and with an experienced QB(Schatz) it will be tough to keep Wesley off the score board.

Del Val will have to keep the ball away from Wesley's potent Offense, keep Wesley from scoring quickly and score some points if they hope to pull off the big upset in Doylestown.
Wesley will have to keep Cook from getting 4 and 5 yrds a carry and keep Isgro from scrambling and making big plays. Wesley's Offense has to keep from turning over the ball.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 12, 2008, 08:32:39 PM
PA_WesleyFan (and anyone else who wants to say hello):

I'll be milling around the stadium and parking lot.  Just look for the guy with the Detroit Tigers hat.


KingSting999:

I'll send you a personal message on the subject.


As for the game, PA_WesleyFan's analysis is pretty good.  For Delaware Valley to stay in the game, they need to avoid turnovers and limit big plays, which I'll arbitrarily define as 35+ yards.

I've heard the rule of thumb that if you turn the ball over three times you should lose and if you turn it over more than that, you will lose.  I'd modify that slightly for Del Val.  For math types, let's say the following...

If Del Val turnovers + Wesley big plays = 3 or less, then the game is very close till the end.

If Del Val turnovers + Wesley big plays = 4, then the Aggies trail by 10 or less in the fourth quarter.

If Del Val turnovers + Wesley big plays = 5 or more, then the game starts to get away from the Aggies.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 12, 2008, 08:42:52 PM
Albright 30 Western Connecticut 27 - F

Kelly connected with Nate Romig for his second touchdown reception of the night with 34 seconds left.  The Colonials returned the ensuing kickoff to the Albright 35 but David Harig intercepted the pass on the first play from scrimmage.  Special teams cost the Lions at least five points (two safeties on bad punt snaps and a blocked extra point) but they have a nice rally on the road.

This win gives the MAC a 4-4 non-conference record after going 6-20 in 2007.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 13, 2008, 09:28:27 AM
Programming note...


Delaware Valley
versus
No. 3 Wesley

If you can't make it to Doylestown, click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen to the broadcast starting at 12:40 pm.

The audio will not work until the broadcast is running. D3Cast streams require Windows Media Player 9.0 or later.

Have a great Saturday, everybody.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 13, 2008, 04:09:55 PM
Way to GO Del Val!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Teamski on September 13, 2008, 04:31:08 PM
Congratulations to Delaware Valley for one hell of a good game.  You guys deserved it!   ;)

-Ski
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 13, 2008, 06:17:33 PM
2 big late TD wins for the MAC...proving it's not how you start, but how you finish!

great job today
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 13, 2008, 06:27:13 PM
great job aggies  great job!!! could we be looking at a top 25 aggies team now? i mean come on they beat the number two ranked team in the country thats gotta earn them some love..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 13, 2008, 06:50:11 PM
to all the delval fans, congrats on the victory.  the aggies showed a lot of guts with the second half comeback.  they outplayed and outcoached the wolverines in the second half and deserved the win.  as i had said earlier in the week, wesley will have to protect the ball to win and they didnt in the second half.  the aggies are a very gutsy team and had a good game plan on defense, taking away the big play and yielding yards on the ground.  the gamble payed off and the coaches deserve a lot of credit.  good luck the rest of the year, you will win many games with that type of effort.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 13, 2008, 09:24:09 PM
a huge win for the aggies well done!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on September 13, 2008, 09:48:19 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 13, 2008, 06:50:11 PM
to all the delval fans, congrats on the victory.  the aggies showed a lot of guts with the second half comeback.  they outplayed and outcoached the wolverines in the second half and deserved the win.  as i had said earlier in the week, wesley will have to protect the ball to win and they didnt in the second half.  the aggies are a very gutsy team and had a good game plan on defense, taking away the big play and yielding yards on the ground.  the gamble payed off and the coaches deserve a lot of credit.  good luck the rest of the year, you will win many games with that type of effort.
Classy response from a Wesley fan.  Another reason these boards are so good.  Even though your favorite team may not win, you still have the integrity to give credit.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 14, 2008, 12:16:50 AM
What a game by the Aggies!!!!! Congrats to you guys. That was a most impressive performance. You all left it all on the field and refused to quit no matter what happened during the game. Defense was awesome holding Beaver and co. virtually in check and the offense and coach Greco were magnificent on the last drive of the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 14, 2008, 07:22:40 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 07, 2008, 07:39:43 PM
kingsting, be careful what you wish for.  delval played almost a perfect game last year and still lost.  wesley had 4 turnovers and was still able to win.  granted they will have to protect the ball better then last year or it will be a close game, if not it wont be.  since wesley's o line is at least as big as iona's with all 5 returning from last year it could be a long day for delval.

i think dvcfan must have been at last years game to make that statement.  he is aware of how good wesley may be this year.


I guess wishes do come true!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 14, 2008, 07:44:11 AM
Can I get a little LOVE for Coach Clements and his Aggie squad who planned, executed and delivered the biggest win in Delaware Valley football history.

Way to go guys!!!!!

Wesley was the same team I have come to know pretty well over the last five years. Extremely athletic, big and agile. They are able usually to control other teams with their size and quickness and rely on big play abilities on both sides of the ball and special teams. Their main flaw, in my opinion, has been the fact that they have been and will continue to be undisiplined on the field.

Del Val was not even in their class as far as size and ability  goes but as stated many time, " It ain't the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!!!! " Go ahead and "bark" a litlle bit Aggies, it's well deserved!

(Let me apologize now for any misspelling or grammar mistakes, I'm just an old farm boy hunting and pecking with one finger)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 14, 2008, 07:56:31 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 08, 2008, 06:09:20 PM
fear, thanks for the heads up on the tailgating.  we will keep it in mind as we plan for the game.

king, it is your belief that based on last years game delval has a chance to win.  since last years game has very little to do with this years, i based my opinion on what i have heard about delval so far this year.  i believe i read where they struggled in the scrimmage with ursinus, who by the way played well beating alfred this weekend.  i also listened to the game this weekend and although i am sure the weather had an effect on both teams, i did not hear much that makes me think that if wesley does not turn the ball over delval has a chance.

as far as me inferring anything, i dont bother inferring, i will tell u what i think.  wesley is expected to be better on offense this year and delval is not expected to be as good on defense, that combination may be trouble for delval.  obviously you didnt read the entire post or only chose the parts to argue with, i said the the game will be close if wesley does not protect the ball.

since nothing matters until the game is played and all of this is just conjecture, but wesley is expected to be very good, you dont get ranked 3 in the nation by chance.  that is why we have conversation.  you can point out why you believe delval will win and i will gladly read your comments and respond in kind.


Does this make the Aggies Number 2 in the nation or was that win yesterday just a chance kinda thing?

Funny, in all of your posts last week you never really said the Aggies could win, just that they could remain close if Wesley didn't protect the ball. Funny thing, I was counting on those turnovers and mental mistakes by the Wesley team, they didn't disappoint me!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 14, 2008, 10:42:17 AM
kingsting, you make me laugh.  i dont recall you mentioning anything about wesley making mistakes prior to the game.  mentioning the fact after it has occurred proves nothing.  why didnt you post all that knowledge (your opinion) before the game?  i guess you werent as confident in your aggies as i was in wesley.

as far as delval being #2, that will be up to the voters just as it was when wesley was voted #3. 

since you mentioned the chance kinda thing, if you were at the game and saw the first half i would find it hard to believe that you still expected delval to win the game, but i doubt you will admit that.  wesley fumbles twice, misses an extra point, has 15 penalties, and delval still needs to score a td at the end of the game to win.  enjoy the aggies victory as they did what had to be done to win, but make an effort to be more objective about things in the future.

check the posts, i believe i was the first or second person to come on here after the game to give props to the delval coaches for their game plan.  i doubt you would have done the same if the second half went like the first half did.  i dont go on other sites to stir things up, i go to have conversation about upcoming games.  hopefully getting some insight about wesley opponents from people who follow the team since i dont know everything about them and the d3 information in kickoff is limited due to space.  most of the time i find knowledgable people willing to exchange ideas and make predictions about the upcoming games, unfortunately there are also homers who have trouble hearing another point of view.  you figure out which one you are.

finally, i did not mention that delval might win the game because i did not think they could, my opinion, which was proved wrong by the results.  i dont recall you predicting a victory for the aggies at any time prior to the game.  enjoy the win as it should lead to a good season and possible playoff appearance.  save your gloating about your opinion for when you actually post it before a game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 14, 2008, 10:49:46 AM
wudline, you asked a question before the game about the dline and whether they could put any pressure on the qb.  it seems that they struggled yesterday.  they were able to put some pressure on isgro but he was able to ellude most of it.  they also seemed to fall victim to the heat and being on the field for much of the second half.  another question that will have to be answered is the pass coverage, wesley had trouble covering the middle routes.  we will see if that changes, but good observation before the game.  congrats on the delval win.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 14, 2008, 12:10:23 PM
Wesleydad & PA wesley, I guess you now know what it felt like for the Aggies last year. Winning the entire game, only to have victory ripped from your clutches in the final minutes of the game. Additionally, your guys felt the heat effects on defense that our guys dealt with last year, only it wasn't nearly as hot yesterday. While you (PA) profess to not "trying" to stir the pot, that is exactly what you are trying to do with your "conversations" on other teams boards. I don't read other boards, nor care to read them, as my team is the AGGIES and I'm only interested in them. Knowing the Wolverines were ranked high, and well regarded with their plethora of All Americans, certainly didn't bode well for the AGGIES who were filling a lot of holes with new faces and a lot of young guys. It's not easy for Coach to recruit as DVC's facilities aren't anything to showcase, but he's obviously done a nice job with the kids he's brought in, as they are a gutsy and scrappy group of kids.

As to how DVC fans were feeling at the half, I can honestly tell you that being down only 16 points gave me hope. I actually felt we were in the game, and thought it could have been much worse.

As for pre-game pontificating, and predicting, since it's an effort in futility, and we don't get to play the game, I don't feel the need to call a winner. That's why they play the games on Saturdays. Additionally, since I don't get to watch game films and I don't go personally scout opponents, and I don't like to take the word or others, I would only be guessing about a possible outcome. So, while I secretly hoped my AGGIES would win, I also knew it would be a very tough game. However, after the game they gave Wesley last year, their was a bit of confidence in a possible win. Projecting that on the board, would be bragging, and that's not my style.

For the record Wesley was definately outcoached, and unfortunately outplayed in the quarter that counts the most, the 4th. Our guys dug deep and found what they needed to win the game, and they should be very proud of themselves. I know I'm proud of all of them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 14, 2008, 02:31:40 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 14, 2008, 10:42:17 AM
kingsting, you make me laugh.  i dont recall you mentioning anything about wesley making mistakes prior to the game.  mentioning the fact after it has occurred proves nothing.  why didnt you post all that knowledge (your opinion) before the game?  i guess you werent as confident in your aggies as i was in wesley.


Glad I could help out and make you laugh, you obviously need a little levity after yesterdays outcome. It's a given that Wesley will make mistakes aand have turnovers in their games, especially in pressure situations. Most time they are able to overcome thyem with their superior athletic ability and playmakers. I'm confident in the Aggies every game, I don't just hope that they win but expect they will win every game! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 14, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 14, 2008, 10:42:17 AM

since you mentioned the chance kinda thing, if you were at the game and saw the first half i would find it hard to believe that you still expected delval to win the game, but i doubt you will admit that.  wesley fumbles twice, misses an extra point, has 15 penalties, and delval still needs to score a td at the end of the game to win.  enjoy the aggies victory as they did what had to be done to win, but make an effort to be more objective about things in the future.


No, you brought up the "chance" thing. I was at the game as I have been for the past four years and nothing the Aggies do on the field ever, ever causes me to doubt their ability to win. You certainly have that frontrunner loser lament of if we didn't fumble, if we didn't have penalties, yada,yada,yada. That's why they play these games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 14, 2008, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 14, 2008, 10:42:17 AM

finally, i did not mention that delval might win the game because i did not think they could, my opinion, which was proved wrong by the results.  i dont recall you predicting a victory for the aggies at any time prior to the game.  enjoy the win as it should lead to a good season and possible playoff appearance.  save your gloating about your opinion for when you actually post it before a game.

Finally, I will leave the game predictions to smug guys like yourself :o :o :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 14, 2008, 04:11:38 PM
Congrats to the Aggies on an outstanding win yesterday. The Wolverines are certainly a formidable opponent and have many weapons to beat you with. Keeping their offense in check as you did was quite a feat for the defense. I think we were the beneficiaries of tired, sloppy play by Wesley's defense when we went into our no-huddle offense on that last impressive scoring drive. Wesley had guys tapping out and trying to rush subs in, and that seemed to get them out of sync. They also had a lot of guys cramping up during that last quarter.
I have a question for Gordon/Wesleydad/WesleyPa: any word on why the QB switch in the second half? I was a little surpised since they certainly were better offensively in the first half than the second...

Again congratulations to Coach Clements/Fedick/Greco and staff and all the Aggie players for such an entertaining game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 14, 2008, 05:15:24 PM
maAggie, congrats on the win.  very insiteful about the last scoring drive.  i talked to jason after the game and he did not get any official reason other than mcsweeny was going in.  several of us also wondered about the timing since the change was made after the 2 fumbles in the 3rd quarter.  if it was for a change of pace as those changes usually are, then why were the play calls the same.  also, putting beavers at qb never happened again since schatz played receiver 2 years ago and led the team in receptions.  it seemed to have limited the choices as only 5 passes were thrown with 3 completions for 27 yards, one of which was the td which went for 14.  so i would have to agree that it seems that the offense has more options with schatz at qb.  he did not have his best game, but some of the credit has to go to the delval d as they seemed to get pressure on every play action pass attempt.  d3 has some great pictures of aggies in his face on several plays.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2008, 05:22:48 PM
I don't have any insight on Wesley's QB switch during the second half.  

To be honest, Wesley didn't have much trouble moving the ball on the Aggies.  Pennewell and Jackson combined for 246 yards on 40 carries, which is 6.2 yards per pop.  The Wolverines outgained Del Val 343-282.  If you take away the two drives ended by the halves, Wesley scored on four of eight drives.

I think the more important factors in the Aggies upset win were:

* Turnovers:  Del Val played a very clean game and didn't give the ball away.  Wesley fumbled the ball twice in their own territory to start the third quarter.  Not only did that stop two Wesley drives, it led to 10 Del Val points and gave the Aggies the chance to win late.  If the Wolverines score on the first drive of the second half and fumble in the fourth quarter, maybe the turnovers don't effect the momentum as much.

* Penalties:  Wesley finished with 16 penalties for 145 yards.  There weren't just a lot of penalties, but some poorly timed ones.  A roughing the punter penalty on fourth and 13 kept the drive alive that led to the Brandon Fox touchdown reception.  The Wolverines picked up two penalties that changed a two-point conversion from a reasonable chance (remember they gained 6.2 yards per carry) into a long shot.

* Big plays in big spots by the Aggies: Wesley helped Del Val's cause by making mistakes, but the Aggies made some huge plays down the stretch - Isgro's touchdown scramble on fourth down to get on the board, Dan Heiland making several big catches, Fox's ricochet touchdown reception.  Del Val scored on its last four drives and went four for four on fourth down in the second half.

It's a fantastic win for Del Val.  Fortunately they have a little time to enjoy it.

But Salisbury will be just as hard.  They are out gaining opponents 380 to 38 yards per game on the ground and are 2-0 with wins over teams that were expected to be pretty good (Albright, Geneva).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 14, 2008, 06:21:00 PM
Fear the Ram.

I DO NOT go to other boards to stir up trouble... You obviously don't read my posts.
Or you are giving me credit for other people posts ???... I give my opinions on what I feel the teams have and what happens if certain things occur during a game. I have many friends on different boards that I have met over the years and we do trade sarcasm
now and then..
As for the Aggies, I have watched many of their players in high school and I know what they can do. And I hope they do well. I live 3 miles from Del Val and have for 32 years and until a few years ago Del Val didn't even recruit locally. So there wasn't much reason to pay much attention to them other than Wrestling.
Del Val had a good win yesterday and played well and I do hope they win the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: muledaddy on September 14, 2008, 06:46:24 PM


For the Aggies,

Well done .....on any given Saturday,  miricles can happen....great preparation and great execution

will pay dividends.Zach,the defense, and the entire team deserve the joy of this great season opener. Go get that MAC....

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on September 15, 2008, 09:39:45 AM
I'll tell you, the Aggies OOC schedule is extremely tough.  I would assume that makes the conference schedule much easier.  But starting out 0-3 like last year had to be a downer.  Nice win on Saturday!!!  That was one of the most exciting games I have seen in some time.  How is Salisbury this year compared to Wesley?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2008, 12:14:27 PM
good article on dvc's victory w/ player quotes....

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-09142008-1590505.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 15, 2008, 01:21:14 PM
Congrats DVC.  Way to represent.  Good luck next week.

Way to go Widener.  Anybody at the game against NCW this weekend?  Looks like the D showed up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 15, 2008, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 14, 2008, 05:22:48 PM
I don't have any insight on Wesley's QB switch during the second half.  

To be honest, Wesley didn't have much trouble moving the ball on the Aggies.  Pennewell and Jackson combined for 246 yards on 40 carries, which is 6.2 yards per pop.  The Wolverines outgained Del Val 343-282.  If you take away the two drives ended by the halves, Wesley scored on four of eight drives.

I think the more important factors in the Aggies upset win were:

* Turnovers:  Del Val played a very clean game and didn't give the ball away.  Wesley fumbled the ball twice in their own territory to start the third quarter.  Not only did that stop two Wesley drives, it led to 10 Del Val points and gave the Aggies the chance to win late.  If the Wolverines score on the first drive of the second half and fumble in the fourth quarter, maybe the turnovers don't effect the momentum as much.

* Penalties:  Wesley finished with 16 penalties for 145 yards.  There weren't just a lot of penalties, but some poorly timed ones.  A roughing the punter penalty on fourth and 13 kept the drive alive that led to the Brandon Fox touchdown reception.  The Wolverines picked up two penalties that changed a two-point conversion from a reasonable chance (remember they gained 6.2 yards per carry) into a long shot.

* Big plays in big spots by the Aggies: Wesley helped Del Val's cause by making mistakes, but the Aggies made some huge plays down the stretch - Isgro's touchdown scramble on fourth down to get on the board, Dan Heiland making several big catches, Fox's ricochet touchdown reception.  Del Val scored on its last four drives and went four for four on fourth down in the second half.

It's a fantastic win for Del Val.  Fortunately they have a little time to enjoy it.

But Salisbury will be just as hard.  They are out gaining opponents 380 to 38 yards per game on the ground and are 2-0 with wins over teams that were expected to be pretty good (Albright, Geneva).

Excellent analysis. Only thing I would add would be the tremendous job that the Aggies did of keeping people in front of them and not giving up the big play. Their defense and special teams never gave up the home run. They kept people in front of them and made the Wolverines score on long drives.

They'll have to do the same thing against the Gulls next week. If you can make them play on a long field, they'll have a chance to force some turnovers.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on September 15, 2008, 03:35:26 PM
If the Aggies beat Salisbury (who is ranked), they have to break into the top 20 in the country. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2008, 03:37:44 PM
absolutely good point conrad. and IF (a big if) were dvc to pull off the win this week they should be in d3's top 15 if not top 10.... to beat the #3 and #8 teams in consecutive weeks would be  absolutely deserving of some serious ranking in the d3 polls. Going to be very tough emotionally to get up 2 weeks in a row and make no mistake salisbury is a very good team and will come ready to play
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Matt Levy, DVC SID on September 15, 2008, 03:51:40 PM
UPBR

Don't forget that Delaware Valley has the bye week this Saturday. We host Salisbury on the 27th.

Gordon's play-by-play call of the game-winning touchdown is now on our website.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2008, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Matt Levy, DVC SID on September 15, 2008, 03:51:40 PM
UPBR

Don't forget that Delaware Valley has the bye week this Saturday. We host Salisbury on the 27th.

Gordon's play-by-play call of the game-winning touchdown is now on our website.

matt, well done on the website it is sooooo much better and easier to navigate. really looks sharp and well thought out.

EDIT: forgot about the bye week....good call
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 15, 2008, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: Conrad on September 15, 2008, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 14, 2008, 05:22:48 PM
I don't have any insight on Wesley's QB switch during the second half.  

To be honest, Wesley didn't have much trouble moving the ball on the Aggies.  Pennewell and Jackson combined for 246 yards on 40 carries, which is 6.2 yards per pop.  The Wolverines outgained Del Val 343-282.  If you take away the two drives ended by the halves, Wesley scored on four of eight drives.

I think the more important factors in the Aggies upset win were:

* Turnovers:  Del Val played a very clean game and didn't give the ball away.  Wesley fumbled the ball twice in their own territory to start the third quarter.  Not only did that stop two Wesley drives, it led to 10 Del Val points and gave the Aggies the chance to win late.  If the Wolverines score on the first drive of the second half and fumble in the fourth quarter, maybe the turnovers don't effect the momentum as much.

* Penalties:  Wesley finished with 16 penalties for 145 yards.  There weren't just a lot of penalties, but some poorly timed ones.  A roughing the punter penalty on fourth and 13 kept the drive alive that led to the Brandon Fox touchdown reception.  The Wolverines picked up two penalties that changed a two-point conversion from a reasonable chance (remember they gained 6.2 yards per carry) into a long shot.

* Big plays in big spots by the Aggies: Wesley helped Del Val's cause by making mistakes, but the Aggies made some huge plays down the stretch - Isgro's touchdown scramble on fourth down to get on the board, Dan Heiland making several big catches, Fox's ricochet touchdown reception.  Del Val scored on its last four drives and went four for four on fourth down in the second half.

It's a fantastic win for Del Val.  Fortunately they have a little time to enjoy it.

But Salisbury will be just as hard.  They are out gaining opponents 380 to 38 yards per game on the ground and are 2-0 with wins over teams that were expected to be pretty good (Albright, Geneva).

Excellent analysis. Only thing I would add would be the tremendous job that the Aggies did of keeping people in front of them and not giving up the big play. Their defense and special teams never gave up the home run. They kept people in front of them and made the Wolverines score on long drives.

They'll have to do the same thing against the Gulls next week. If you can make them play on a long field, they'll have a chance to force some turnovers.
Quote from: Conrad on September 15, 2008, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 14, 2008, 05:22:48 PM
I don't have any insight on Wesley's QB switch during the second half.  

To be honest, Wesley didn't have much trouble moving the ball on the Aggies.  Pennewell and Jackson combined for 246 yards on 40 carries, which is 6.2 yards per pop.  The Wolverines outgained Del Val 343-282.  If you take away the two drives ended by the halves, Wesley scored on four of eight drives.

I think the more important factors in the Aggies upset win were:

* Turnovers:  Del Val played a very clean game and didn't give the ball away.  Wesley fumbled the ball twice in their own territory to start the third quarter.  Not only did that stop two Wesley drives, it led to 10 Del Val points and gave the Aggies the chance to win late.  If the Wolverines score on the first drive of the second half and fumble in the fourth quarter, maybe the turnovers don't effect the momentum as much.

* Penalties:  Wesley finished with 16 penalties for 145 yards.  There weren't just a lot of penalties, but some poorly timed ones.  A roughing the punter penalty on fourth and 13 kept the drive alive that led to the Brandon Fox touchdown reception.  The Wolverines picked up two penalties that changed a two-point conversion from a reasonable chance (remember they gained 6.2 yards per carry) into a long shot.

* Big plays in big spots by the Aggies: Wesley helped Del Val's cause by making mistakes, but the Aggies made some huge plays down the stretch - Isgro's touchdown scramble on fourth down to get on the board, Dan Heiland making several big catches, Fox's ricochet touchdown reception.  Del Val scored on its last four drives and went four for four on fourth down in the second half.

It's a fantastic win for Del Val.  Fortunately they have a little time to enjoy it.

But Salisbury will be just as hard.  They are out gaining opponents 380 to 38 yards per game on the ground and are 2-0 with wins over teams that were expected to be pretty good (Albright, Geneva).

Excellent analysis. Only thing I would add would be the tremendous job that the Aggies did of keeping people in front of them and not giving up the big play. Their defense and special teams never gave up the home run. They kept people in front of them and made the Wolverines score on long drives.

They'll have to do the same thing against the Gulls next week. If you can make them play on a long field, they'll have a chance to force some turnovers.

I agree with Conrad,Del Val  appeared to mush rush at times waiting to see where the ball was and then attacking. I don't know if that will work against Salisbury's option but with two weeks to prepare the Aggies could make the necessary adjustments.
Del Val's kick off team did an excellent job of containing Beavers. I don't remember many times I have seen that many people around the ball that quickly
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 15, 2008, 06:44:05 PM
to all delval fans, i will be the first to say that i am surprized that delval is not in the top 25.  if i count correctly, they are 34th.  beating the 3rd ranked team and only receiving 16 pts is confusing to me.  i guess we will see as the season goes on.

salisbury will run first and throw later, much later, so i am not sure if the defense that was played this week will work.  i believe that delval has the athletes to defend the option, but will have to cut the yards per carry down to defeat salisbury.  again, force some turnovers and limit their chances, and the results can be the same as this week.

good luck.

any word on widener?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2008, 07:43:26 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 15, 2008, 06:44:05 PM
to all delval fans, i will be the first to say that i am surprized that delval is not in the top 25.  if i count correctly, they are 34th.  beating the 3rd ranked team and only receiving 16 pts is confusing to me.  i guess we will see as the season goes on.

salisbury will run first and throw later, much later, so i am not sure if the defense that was played this week will work.  i believe that delval has the athletes to defend the option, but will have to cut the yards per carry down to defeat salisbury.  again, force some turnovers and limit their chances, and the results can be the same as this week.

good luck.

any word on widener?

widener was picked to win the mac again. they return a number of players from last year and coaching staff is very good. they will give wesley a big challenge. wesley pbr would imagine is going to come in w/ a little bit of a chip on their shoulders and something to prove and wesley is very good at home. so good luck against widener it should be a great game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2008, 08:08:33 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 15, 2008, 06:44:05 PM
to all delval fans, i will be the first to say that i am surprized that delval is not in the top 25.  if i count correctly, they are 34th.  beating the 3rd ranked team and only receiving 16 pts is confusing to me. 

Wesleydad,

Delaware Valley has played more than one game this season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 15, 2008, 08:11:30 PM
The bye week comes at a great time for the Aggies. They are beat up pretty well after knocking heads with those big kids from Wesley. Have not heard for sure but I imagine that Coach Clements will take it easy on the boys this week and come up with a game plan that will hopefully control the option offense of Salisbury.

Couple of things to note. Every day that passes is another day closer to getting back Greg Rissinger on the D-Line. It's been tough on him watching being a Senior Captain on the team. Here's hoping he can get healthy soon.

Last years Salisbury games score doesn't really give a good indication of how the game was played. In the second quarter holding a 14 - 7 lead the Aggies were on the Salisbury 1 yard line and fumbled the ball while going in for a score. Four plays later Salisbury scored to tie the game and the air just seemed to go out of the Aggies after that. Hopefully with a extra week's rest they will respond well to the challenge that Salisbury represents.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 15, 2008, 08:15:18 PM
Pat,

I was under the impression that the first game the Aggies played against Iona would not have any nearing on the DIII polls since it wasn'y against a DIII team.
Am I wrong about that?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2008, 08:19:13 PM
Our voters evaluate each and every game, at least in some respect, especially games against non-scholarship competition such as Iona.

Delaware Valley 2008 doesn't look a whole lot different than Delaware Valley 2007 -- in fact, with the home-field advantage reversed in the Wesley game it hardly seems different at all.

Sep. 1      1:00 PM      at Iona      L, 14-12     
Sep. 8    1:00 PM    at Wesley •    L, 24-21    

Sep. 6      1:00 PM      Iona      L, 27-19     
Sep. 13    1:00 PM    Wesley •    W, 25-22    
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 15, 2008, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: KingSting999 on September 15, 2008, 08:15:18 PM
Pat,

I was under the impression that the first game the Aggies played against Iona would not have any nearing on the DIII polls since it wasn'y against a DIII team.
Am I wrong about that?

Kingsting999

Those games(non regiona) don't count for quality pts. used to pick teams for the tourny at the end of the year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 15, 2008, 09:33:41 PM
pat, i was aware of that and realize it was a lose.  i still think the point total is a little low after beating the #3 team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2008, 09:39:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2008, 08:19:13 PM
Our voters evaluate each and every game, at least in some respect, especially games against non-scholarship competition such as Iona.

Delaware Valley 2008 doesn't look a whole lot different than Delaware Valley 2007 -- in fact, with the home-field advantage reversed in the Wesley game it hardly seems different at all.

Sep. 1      1:00 PM      at Iona      L, 14-12     
Sep. 8    1:00 PM    at Wesley •    L, 24-21    

Sep. 6      1:00 PM      Iona      L, 27-19     
Sep. 13    1:00 PM    Wesley •    W, 25-22    

understood pat, just thought maybe playing within a touchdown of a div I-AA school and defeating the #3 school would of garnered a bit more votes
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2008, 10:05:01 PM
Well, if Iona were a scholarship program, that would have helped them. But instead it's like playing any other D-III team to most voters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 15, 2008, 10:32:20 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 15, 2008, 09:39:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2008, 08:19:13 PM
Our voters evaluate each and every game, at least in some respect, especially games against non-scholarship competition such as Iona.

Delaware Valley 2008 doesn't look a whole lot different than Delaware Valley 2007 -- in fact, with the home-field advantage reversed in the Wesley game it hardly seems different at all.

Sep. 1      1:00 PM      at Iona      L, 14-12     
Sep. 8    1:00 PM    at Wesley •    L, 24-21    

Sep. 6      1:00 PM      Iona      L, 27-19     
Sep. 13    1:00 PM    Wesley •    W, 25-22    

understood pat, just thought maybe playing within a touchdown of a div I-AA school and defeating the #3 school would of garnered a bit more votes

Del Val is garnering some respect, even a #1 vote in the East Region Fan poll! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 16, 2008, 01:06:02 PM
I don't have a problem with the ranking, after all it's only week 2 and if DelVal continues to win games that will take care of itself. Besides, perhaps there's a question as to Wesley's ranking as it was preseason, and no one knows how good they really are since they've only played one game...besides, those rankings are not important, it's all about keeping on winning games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 19, 2008, 12:06:45 AM
To any Widener fans. It's race weekend in Dover so you may want to give yourselves a little more time for travel.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on September 19, 2008, 11:53:33 AM
One more reason to stay out of Dover  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2008, 01:49:05 PM
me thinks widener better tighten up the chin strap as wesley is looking to deliver a beatdown this week...lets go widener represent the mac proud!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 19, 2008, 08:04:53 PM
Congrats to Kyle Gesswein on being named to the D-3 team last week.

It would be nice to see Wesley go down to another MAC team, but I'm sure they'll be like a wounded animal and be looking for some redemption.

It really stinks having a bye week!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FearTheRam on September 20, 2008, 05:13:28 PM
41-9????  It was close in the first half, what happened to the Widener "D"? Congrats to Lyco on their win.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 20, 2008, 07:11:13 PM
Ram-
The first half was extremely competitive. Both teams were showed big play ability on O and extremely physical and fast defense. Wesley scored first on a big play to Beavers and Wu answered with a 64 yard connection to Payton. Second half it looked like a different WU team with numerous turnovers, penalties, and missed tackles. Not taking anything away from Wesley they were clearly the better team on the field today, but the final two touchdowns were scored on the mostly members of pride's second defense.

I was also wondering if the atmosphere at Dover is always so hostile or if this was just because of last weeks loss to Del Val ? In my opinion it was the worst fan base I have ever been around.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 20, 2008, 07:40:28 PM
Wesley home games are always like that especially since they started having a winning program. Don't believe that it's all the fans but a very vocal minority. They pkay with that edge and the fans feed off of it. I have seen my fair share of Wesley games over the past few years and had noticed the same thing. Last week at Del Val they were whooping up at half time taunting the Del Val fans saying things like "you're not even going to score a point!". Boy were they ever quiet on their way out the stadium after the game though! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 20, 2008, 07:51:10 PM
Sting -
I agree the team does play with an edge and I have know problem with it. I think they are a very skilled group. I just could not believe the taunting and the comments that were being directed at the WU players, coaches, and fans. It was worse than any other school I ever traveled to. At half time they do not provide a adequate locker room facility to the visiting team so the WU players were forced to sit outside. The fans were standing along the area and screaming at the players and coaches as three so called security officers watched. I was also told  the coaches were harassed on their way to the coaches box.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 20, 2008, 09:47:58 PM
wudline, not sure what you are talking about as far as harrassment goes as most of us are just like the rest of you, we go to enjoy the game.  can not speak for nor will i attempt to explain any rude behavior by a few since that can be found anywhere.  wish i would have known you were there, we would have welcomed you to our tailgate group before and after the game.

as far as the game, widener is not very good.  they are extremely limited on offense and need a Qb.  the only play that was successful was a missed tackle on a 5 yard pass that turned into a td, other than that widener showed very little.  i am wondering how they could have been chosen to win the MAC.  Delval is much better on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 20, 2008, 10:42:51 PM
 
The reason Wesley won 41-9 is because Widener got spanked and instead of hitting back they cried on their sidelines until the refs started throwing flags on bogus calls.
Maybe the Widener players shouldn't have been taunting from the first play of the game. and if not for a fumble at the one yard line and a called back T.D.it would have been 55-9. Widener is another local team that turned down Wesley to continue a rivalry.
I too believe that Del Val right now is the better team. They didn't quit when they got down!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 20, 2008, 11:46:20 PM
Wesley Dad -
I was not attempting to group all of the fans together and if that is the way it reads I am sorry for the generalization. I was sitting in the visiting stands next to numerous Wesley fans that told me they actual choose to sit in the visiting section because of the behavior of certain fans in the home stands.  They must be the same fans that I observed at half time. I will agree with your assessment of Wu's qb issues, however I must argue your statement about the team as a whole. I feel that the Wu defense is very good and simply wore down in the second half against a very good football team do to the time they spent on the field. Wesley was just a superior football team tin the second half. I am not sure if that should be a gauge to judge Widener on for the season. Del Val certainly has a better QB however, I will reserve my judgement on the remainder of the WU team for later in the season.

Pa Wesley -
I am not sure your basis for the comments about WU quitting. They are way off base. As for the fumble it was caused by the safety and linebacker making a big hit on the TE. Furthermore, the other touchdown was called back because of a hands to the face penalty. The majority of the flags thrown were actually on Widener throughout the game, I also did not observe any taunting. As for your concerns about the schedule Widener did not drop Wesley out of a fear. In 2010 the MAC conference is entering into a conference challenge with the PAC and therefore Widener could not do another home and home with Wesley. They  already had scheduled a home and home with Frost. starting this season, were owed a home game by Rowan which has since fallen through and have scheduled Ithica for next year. Please check your factual knowledge in the future before making certain comments it makes you look like that select number of fans I witnessed today in Dover.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 21, 2008, 12:14:13 AM
WULINE
I have my facts straight and I too was at the game today. I have heard that excuse that Widener owes Rowan a game last year... And everyone is lining up to play Frostburg St. And Yes Widener has an open date listed on THIS web site for week three for next year So get you facts straight !!!
And I forgot to mention the blown TD call in the corner of the endzone that the films clearly showed was well inside the back line!!! 62-9 And fumble was because the player tried to stretch the ball over the goal line!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 21, 2008, 12:30:15 AM
 WUDLINE

  The fans that you spoke of were probably sitting on the visitor side were likely in the end zone stands. The bad mouthing of visiting players by those fans  was once a problem a few years ago and was very quickly taken care of by then Pres. Miller. I would hope that the new Pres. (Johnson) will readdress the issue. There seemed to be a very big crowd of students who had way to much pregame and probably shouldn't have been admitted to the game in the first place.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 21, 2008, 08:10:13 AM
wudline, i did not take your comment to mean all fans :).  i am aware of the group that pawesley mentioned and i am sure some of them made it into the game.  i agree with pawesley, they should not allow them in the game if they are clearly over the limit.

i agree that widener had a pretty good defense, but with the offense they have the d will wear down every game unless something changes.  good luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Teamski on September 21, 2008, 09:47:56 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on September 21, 2008, 12:30:15 AM
WUDLINE

  The fans that you spoke of were probably sitting on the visitor side were likely in the end zone stands. The bad mouthing of visiting players by those fans  was once a problem a few years ago and was very quickly taken care of by then Pres. Miller. I would hope that the new Pres. (Johnson) will readdress the issue. There seemed to be a very big crowd of students who had way to much pregame and probably shouldn't have been admitted to the game in the first place.

I didn't notice the taunting myself, but I was in the middle of the stands.  I'd really hate to see Wesley get a reputation for poor fansmanship.   I walked past the Widener coaches immediately after the game and didn't notice any foul talk going their way.  One of these times, I will have to check out the atmosphere near the locker rooms at halftime to see for myself.   I know we have our "backliners" which do more hazing of Wesley players than anything else.  IMHO, those guys should be the ones to be talked to to quit.  Also, this game was the first time (in the 3 seasons that I have been going) that I noticed a loud group of students on the north side endzone.  They were the ones that indeed looked like that had too much pre-game. 

That said, there were some pretty questionable flags in the game.  Wesley collected 12 flags, with 8 in the first half alone that really curtailing any sustained drives.  The one called on Beavers for unsportsmanlike conduct was pretty bad.

  If Wesley can get it's disciplinary hat on, it is an excellent team.  I have to agree that Delaware Valley is the toast of the MAC right now.....

-Ski
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 21, 2008, 08:00:00 PM
Not to trash talk about Wesley as our game with them is over and done with, but I have to say that the reputation is already out there, and it doesn't only revolve around your end-zone student body. You have a contingent that even as visitors, like to taunt the opponents and the opposing fans as well. At half-time of the DelVal/Wesley game you had fans yelling over the fence to our guys that they wouldn't find the end-zone, and would be shut-out, you had players mouthing off and taunting the DelVal team as the headed into the locker room at the half.

As for the penalties, the Wolverines play on the edge, and push the envelope in almost all phases of the game. They are indeed, an undisciplined bunch that let's their emotions run away with them at times. It was amazing that more flags weren't thrown their way in the DelVal game, but it seemed as if the refs knew they were ranked #3 and were overlooking a lot of stuff.

The point is when you've been on top for so long, and had such a successful run it's easy to get full our yourselves and feel invincible, but it also is better to let the play on the field do all the talk.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 21, 2008, 08:12:15 PM
MaAggie

You have come on here as three different people and trashed Wesley.  You are not fooling anyone using different names!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 21, 2008, 08:13:11 PM
Teamski - I agree with your assessment of the Wesley team. If they can become a little more disciplined they will certainly be a tough team to beat. There team speed and physical play is certainly tough to match when they are firing on all cylinders like they were in the second half.

Pa wesley -
I was speaking mostly about the fans that were located in both end zones. That was the group that followed the team to the locker room at the half. By no means do I believe that they are a reflection on the program as a whole. As for the facts regarding the Rowan game. Widener is owed a home game with Rowan that was supposed to take place in 2008 but the schedules did not match up. That is why WU was forced to pick up Frost. this season for the home and home. This meant that next seasons out of conference schedule was supposed to be Ithica, Rowan and Frost. However, I am told that the Rowan game has again fallen through. That is why Wu is now searching for a third game. I am not able to the watch the game film so I will have to take your word on the touchdown in the rear of the end zone. However, the fumble took place directly in front of where I was standing and I am pretty sure it was caused by a good hit. I agree with your view on the officiating but I think it was equally bad on both sides. The Beavers call was not very good, but I also felt that the roughing the passer call on WU which led to Wesley's second score was horrible. I think the officials allowed the coaches from both sides to influence the way they called the game.

I would expect to see some changes this week at WU.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 21, 2008, 08:26:27 PM
Wudline

I do not understand how referees expect players from either team to stop when they don't blow the whistle and come running in with their hand up? It certainly helps to fan the fires. There was also a blantant knock down from behind of a Wesley player in front of the Wesley bench and the same referee didn't call it looking right at it. And it also has to drive coaches crazy when the referees throw flags and then have to pow wow with each other to make a call. If you throw a flag know why!!!

  I enjoy a good hitting game any day but I am not a fan of either team trying getting in cheap shots.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 21, 2008, 08:55:16 PM
What's up with the quarterback switch at Wesley? Schnatz a senior who changed positions and led the wolverines to the semi's last season gets replaced by a sophomore? Seems like a really tough break unless the young kid is lights out that much better.

Oh yea, oawesleyfan, I guarantee you I am not maAggie posting under a different name although we obviously share some of the smae opinions.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 21, 2008, 09:20:54 PM
Pa Wesley -
I actually did not think the game on the field was played dirty. I remember one lay when a WU defender was hit in the back in front of the Wesley bench towards the end of the play, and a play in the second half when a WU TE hit  a Wesley defender in the same fashion. I felt like it was just a case of two physical teams playing to the end of  play. I looked like the refs were influenced by the sidelines and were also afraid of losing control of the game. I for one new would love to see the Wesley / Widener rivalry continue, but I think the knew conference challenge format between the MAC and the PAC has caused it to come to a premature end.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 21, 2008, 09:34:43 PM
 WUDline

With the schools being as close as they are it would make sense. As for you getting a game with Rowan, with them conference committed to nine games it makes it tough for anyone to match up with any NJAC team.
  But with  the Mac only committed two seven , actually eight with the Pac it doesn't leave many options for anyone.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2008, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on September 21, 2008, 08:12:15 PM
MaAggie

You have come on here as three different people and trashed Wesley.  You are not fooling anyone using different names!!!!

Good catch -- thanks for noticing the violation of the Terms of Service.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2008, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: KingSting999 on September 21, 2008, 08:55:16 PM
Oh yea, oawesleyfan, I guarantee you I am not maAggie posting under a different name although we obviously share some of the smae opinions.

And the same computer.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 21, 2008, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2008, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on September 21, 2008, 08:12:15 PM
MaAggie

You have come on here as three different people and trashed Wesley.  You are not fooling anyone using different names!!!!

Good catch -- thanks for noticing the violation of the Terms of Service.


;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 22, 2008, 07:55:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2008, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: KingSting999 on September 21, 2008, 08:55:16 PM
Oh yea, oawesleyfan, I guarantee you I am not maAggie posting under a different name although we obviously share some of the smae opinions.

And the same computer.

maybe husband/wife?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2008, 11:50:05 AM
Perhaps, though I don't know the need for three accounts then. I shut one down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 22, 2008, 12:26:17 PM
KingSting999...I couldnt make the wesly game but will this week...I knew it would be a barn burner...But reading your 9/14 post led me to think that the Greatest Aggie game I ever saw was Dvc vs Widener in 2003...56-55 in overtime...Last game of the regular season....then the 2004 season was a last minute thriller most of the season....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 22, 2008, 12:51:09 PM
PBR...will you be attending the game this week????

Gordon...will track you down this week, have some interesting news for you...if I dont catch you in the parking lot, will see you in the booth pre game...what is a good time so we can talk for a few minutes?

Aggies did themselves proud against Wesley....shades of 2004??? with the comeback...

Big congrats to Jim Clements and the entire coaching staff!!!

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 22, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
Sorry, didn't know that different people could not use the same computer, afterall, who really reads those terms of service agreements anyway. Please accept my apologies.

For the record, my name is Lou Reuter and my son plays for the Aggies. My nephew played for Wesley for four years which gave me the knowledge of the Wesley program over the past years. whenever possible I attended his games.
My oldest son played at Ursinus for four years while G.A. was there so as I have stated before, I have seen my share of "good DIII football for quite awhile.

As far as three accounts goes, I believe one was never acticvated or never used and the other as I stated was not used by me. Now with that said, damn glad to meet you, come up and introduce yourself at an Aggie game, we're the ones with the 5's on! LOL ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 22, 2008, 02:59:21 PM
Quote from: KingSting999 on September 22, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
Sorry, didn't know that different people could not use the same computer, afterall, who really reads those terms of service agreements anyway. Please accept my apologies.

For the record, my name is Lou Reuter and my son plays for the Aggies. My nephew played for Wesley for four years which gave me the knowledge of the Wesley program over the past years. whenever possible I attended his games.
My oldest son played at Ursinus for four years while G.A. was there so as I have stated before, I have seen my share of "good DIII football for quite awhile.

As far as three accounts goes, I believe one was never acticvated or never used and the other as I stated was not used by me. Now with that said, damn glad to meet you, come up and introduce yourself at an Aggie game, we're the ones with the 5's on! LOL ;D ;D ;D

fyi, probably should edit your post so that names are not included as this makes it easier on everyone...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2008, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: KingSting999 on September 22, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
As far as three accounts goes, I believe one was never acticvated or never used and the other as I stated was not used by me. Now with that said, damn glad to meet you, come up and introduce yourself at an Aggie game, we're the ones with the 5's on! LOL ;D ;D ;D

Actually, there was a fourth, never-activated account. The three accounts mentioned by PA_wesleyfan were indeed all used, and all posted within 24 hours. You might want to ask around the house. :)

I'm no longer on the East Coast, so it could be a while before I get to see Del Val play again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 22, 2008, 05:14:50 PM
Pat,

I'll look into it!!!!

I knew that damn dog was getting too smart. Sometimes when I come into the house he just looks guilty.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 22, 2008, 07:12:12 PM
wudline, i am not sure who the refs were worse on, they just plain stunk out the joint.  the back judge couldnt find enough reasons to throw a flag so he seemed to make some up, but when he had a chance to make the right call he missed the end zone call being no more than 10 feet away from it.

kingsting/maaggie/wudline, it is safe to say that all schools have a small group of fans whose behavior is an embarassment to the school.  delval fans didnt have any trouble insulting fans and players as they left the game after the victory, so to say that wesley fans were wrong at the end of the half, but delval fans were not at the end is hypocritcal.  all obnoxious fans are rude.

kingsting, as far as the qb change at wesley, the explanation is not very clear.  the new qb is not light years better, some question whether or not better at all.  apparently more emphasis was put on results at practice where schatz was apparently struggling, then the results in the game.  we shall see how is works out, but from your question it seems that you would agree that if the players are of equal ability then it would seem that the senior should be the starter.  it is hard to argue with the change when you look at the stats of the widener game, but upon further review i am not sure if they would have been that good if not for beavers out manuvering the defenders on a couple of the passes.

i am planning on coming up to see this weeks game against salisbury unless the weather sucks as it did the last time wesley was off.  if you tailgate before the game i will look you up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 23, 2008, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 22, 2008, 07:12:12 PM
wudline, i am not sure who the refs were worse on, they just plain stunk out the joint.  the back judge couldnt find enough reasons to throw a flag so he seemed to make some up, but when he had a chance to make the right call he missed the end zone call being no more than 10 feet away from it.

kingsting/maaggie/wudline, it is safe to say that all schools have a small group of fans whose behavior is an embarassment to the school.  delval fans didnt have any trouble insulting fans and players as they left the game after the victory, so to say that wesley fans were wrong at the end of the half, but delval fans were not at the end is hypocritcal.  all obnoxious fans are rude.

kingsting, as far as the qb change at wesley, the explanation is not very clear.  the new qb is not light years better, some question whether or not better at all.  apparently more emphasis was put on results at practice where schatz was apparently struggling, then the results in the game.  we shall see how is works out, but from your question it seems that you would agree that if the players are of equal ability then it would seem that the senior should be the starter.  it is hard to argue with the change when you look at the stats of the widener game, but upon further review i am not sure if they would have been that good if not for beavers out manuvering the defenders on a couple of the passes.

i am planning on coming up to see this weeks game against salisbury unless the weather sucks as it did the last time wesley was off.  if you tailgate before the game i will look you up.

rain is a possibility at this point although a little early in the week to make the definite call 2 lows could meet over nj/s.e. pa and create a ton of rain the 1 low pressure system could be the tropical storm down in the caribbean right now
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 23, 2008, 01:40:24 PM
Wow, you miss a few days and everything turns into a sinister plot. First of all, let me say that the two screen names was not a ploy to deceive, but instead a matter of not being able to log in with the original (which isn't actually the original, but instead there were two previous, that through lack of use seemed to no longer work---which is what I assumed had happened to last year's as well)thus creating a new name, just recently I tried the old name again and found it did actually still work, then it was merely a matter of confusion as to which name I used. The bottom line is the comments stand, and were certainly of the same tone and ilk, or else wouldn't have cause notice. Thus I apologize to Pat for the "illegality!"

I would indeed agree that there is a fringe element in all fan bases, and sometimes highly competitive contests don't always bring out the best in people.

Upbr we do appear to be headed for some more unpleasant weather conditions this weekend. Not sure the Aggies are "mudders" but hope it might slow down Salisbury's offense a bit. Hopefully, the forcast will brighten as the week progresses.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 24, 2008, 12:27:18 AM
Hangtime:

Sure, just look for the guy in the Detroit Tigers hat.  Not too many of those around, given their play again this year.  :-\
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 24, 2008, 07:06:21 AM
Quote from: maAggie on September 23, 2008, 01:40:24 PM
Wow, you miss a few days and everything turns into a sinister plot. First of all, let me say that the two screen names was not a ploy to deceive, but instead a matter of not being able to log in with the original (which isn't actually the original, but instead there were two previous, that through lack of use seemed to no longer work---which is what I assumed had happened to last year's as well)thus creating a new name, just recently I tried the old name again and found it did actually still work, then it was merely a matter of confusion as to which name I used. The bottom line is the comments stand, and were certainly of the same tone and ilk, or else wouldn't have cause notice. Thus I apologize to Pat for the "illegality!"

I would indeed agree that there is a fringe element in all fan bases, and sometimes highly competitive contests don't always bring out the best in people.

Upbr we do appear to be headed for some more unpleasant weather conditions this weekend. Not sure the Aggies are "mudders" but hope it might slow down Salisbury's offense a bit. Hopefully, the forcast will brighten as the week progresses.

weather looking a  little better now but heavy heavy rains on thurs night and friday. calling for 2-3 inches of rain and high winds
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 24, 2008, 05:19:52 PM
upbrmeasap, i hope you are right.  i do not feel like sitting around the house again for the 2nd week in the first 4 of the season.  hopefully the weather will break for the aggies and salisbury game, it should be a good one. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 25, 2008, 06:11:14 AM
Aggie Fans, let's hope this rain blows off the coast by game time on Saturday. The field has shown that it can take alot of rain and stay in excellent shape. The new drainage system and layout was obviously done first class. However if it's rainy and windy the Aggies passing game will likely to be less effective under these conditions. Salisbury's option running game would then have a big advantage in my opinion.

Under good conditions I look for a very competitive game. Both teams should put points on the board but I don't think the Aggies can afford to spot the Gulls a large lead, as they have done in the first two games, which would allow Salisbury the grind the clock down with their running game. Hoping for more of a punch - counterpunch game with big plays being the deciding factor.

Of course, you all know who I'm pulling for......... " GO AGGIES !!!!! "
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 25, 2008, 08:20:10 AM
Quote from: maAggie on September 23, 2008, 01:40:24 PM
Wow, you miss a few days and everything turns into a sinister plot. First of all, let me say that the two screen names was not a ploy to deceive, but instead a matter of not being able to log in with the original (which isn't actually the original, but instead there were two previous, that through lack of use seemed to no longer work---which is what I assumed had happened to last year's as well)thus creating a new name, just recently I tried the old name again and found it did actually still work, then it was merely a matter of confusion as to which name I used. The bottom line is the comments stand, and were certainly of the same tone and ilk, or else wouldn't have cause notice. Thus I apologize to Pat for the "illegality!"

I would indeed agree that there is a fringe element in all fan bases, and sometimes highly competitive contests don't always bring out the best in people.

Upbr we do appear to be headed for some more unpleasant weather conditions this weekend. Not sure the Aggies are "mudders" but hope it might slow down Salisbury's offense a bit. Hopefully, the forcast will brighten as the week progresses.

unfortunately it now looks like rain on saturday as well w/ winds although this storm will be bringing up the warm air so it should at least be warm! depending on how hard it is raining may not be a huge help to the 'gulls imho the determining factor will be turnovers and field position. with heavy winds and rain field position will be a huge factor in this game and not fumbling deep in your own territory.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 25, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
Apparently an eventful few weeks since I last posted here- an unfortunate start for the Colonels,
but I believe they are set for much better things as the season moves on.

Outside of Wilkes-Barre, a big win for the Aggies recently. Best of luck keeping it up, although I hear the weather may rain on all of our games on Saturday. Either way, I'll be at my first Wilkes game of the season and looking forward to some good action. Enjoy the games everyone. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 26, 2008, 09:58:04 AM
Rain, rain, go away.  But if it doesn't and you don't feel like getting wet...

No. 6 Salisbury
vs.
Delaware Valley

Broadcast begins with pregame coverage at 12:40 pm, kickoff at 1 pm.  Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen.

Broadcasts require Windows Media Player 9.0 or later to listen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 26, 2008, 10:50:33 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 26, 2008, 09:58:04 AM
Rain, rain, go away.  But if it doesn't and you don't feel like getting wet...

No. 6 Salisbury
vs.
Delaware Valley

Broadcast begins with pregame coverage at 12:40 pm, kickoff at 1 pm.  Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen.

Broadcasts require Windows Media Player 9.0 or later to listen.

weather looking a little better for tomorrow....although dvc should be used to playing in the rain by now w/ previous rainy games. maybe a chance of a shower and windy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 27, 2008, 09:49:11 AM
any word on the weather in delval.  cant trust the weather channel since it was supposed to be a mess the last couple of days and it barely rained.  making preps to go and wonder if i need my rain gear.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 27, 2008, 12:15:05 PM
It's 67 and cloudy.  I'd bring rain gear but you don't need to wear it yet.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on September 27, 2008, 03:56:50 PM
congrats to del val on another big win.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on September 27, 2008, 05:25:22 PM
wow!!! aggies with the HUGE win. they should be ranked now correct? i mean they beat the number 3 and 6 ranked teams in D3 so shouldnt they? they also might be the front runners in the mac. i cant wait for next week when the MAC games start
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 27, 2008, 05:34:43 PM
congrats to delval for the impressive win today.  i was there and they certainly outplayed salisbury.  nice job by the coaches at half time making adjustments to shut down the gulls offense.  they certainly should be ranked

kingsting, i couldnt find the#5 shirts in the lot to stop and say hi, if #5 is your son he is a very good player.

good luck in the mac, if they play that way they wont need much.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Teamski on September 27, 2008, 06:29:58 PM
Yep, a very warm congratulations indeed!  Well done Aggies and welcome to the top 25!  :)

-Ski

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 27, 2008, 06:48:21 PM
After all the recent posts I was beginning to think that maybe there were only two teams in the MAC - Widener and Del Val.  But then I looked at the scoreboard and lo and behold there was the little engine that could - Lycoming - with its second win.

Hard to say if this is a trend, or even a beginning, but it is two wins.  And while stats do not tell the entire story - Lycoming has given up the fewest points in the entire conference - 50; for an average of 17 points a game.

Sounds like the usual formula for success in Williamsport - tough D.

My hats are off to Coach Clark - way to go Mike and the rest of the Warriors!

Now - let's see what happens next.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 27, 2008, 07:17:27 PM
Way to go AGGIES!!! That was an amazing performance today, and you guys were unbelievable! The offense was just unbelievable with over 400 yards total offense, and the defense stepped up big time in the second half. The tone was set on the opening drive after the half when Salisbury was shut down and went 3 and out. Del Val stepped up big and Salisbury had no answers for Isgro and company. Fox made an amazing catch in the end zone, and Cook was just running over people. The O-line was just mowing Gulls down all day long!

Congrats to Widener, FDU, and Lyco(sorry you feel so left out)! The MAC looks to be a dogfight!

PS, I don't know what's up with these teams from the Independent conference, but they sure come in talking a bunch of trash!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: muledaddy on September 27, 2008, 07:29:26 PM


  ...Nice work Aggies...CONGRATS FROM THE MULES,,,welcome to the top 25
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 27, 2008, 08:15:06 PM
Wesleydad - Thanks for the compliment, yes he is my boy and I will pass your kind words on to him. He's not the biggest or fastest for that position but he leaves it all on the field every time out. We are very proud of him, win or lose!

Just another outstanding team effort by the Aggies. I'm sure there were some detractors who might have thought that last weeks win over Wesley was a fluke but I think this win might legitimize their being ranked. In fact, I would challenge the pollsters to give reason why they wouldn'y be ahead of both Wesley and Salisbury since they defeated both on the field and all three now have one loss.

The Aggies totally dominated the second half of todays contest on both sides of the ball. The defense I was told didn't really make any major adjustments at half but just started playing better run support and doing the things they prepared for all week. The offense continues to gel and show fantastic big play capabilities. Isgro and his recievers did a great job all day long behind breat protection. The one touchdown right before halftime was thrown 70 yards in the air from his own forty to the back of the endzone, unbelievable!!!

With all of that said, the Aggies have to avoid the "trap" game next week versus Kings. If they let down I believe Kings is very capable of pulling the upset. The MAC seems to be getting stronger and no longer has those weak sisters to play! Enjoy the next couple of days boys and then right back to the grindstone as the conference play opens on the road!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2008, 01:31:35 PM
pbr finally chiming in....a huge win for dvc and well done!!!  no let up and get ready for the mac league. you have taken care of business so far no keep it rolling!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 28, 2008, 11:16:49 PM
Wow.  So much for flying below the radar.  Del Val now No. 16.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 28, 2008, 11:24:44 PM
Good for Del Val. They earned it to this point. Now all that young talent has to stay focusesd.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 29, 2008, 12:20:43 AM
Well deserved Aggies! Way to go. Stay focused and your return to the top of the MAC can become a reality! It won't be easy but if you continue to play "team football " it can happen. Good Luck as we enter the MAC schedule!

What do you say fellow posters, let's have some predictions later in the week  with the upcoming MAC schedule!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on September 30, 2008, 08:39:29 AM
Congratulations Del Valley Aggies on your win over Salisbury.   This season you own the ACFC.  Best of luck during the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 30, 2008, 09:11:25 AM
Congratulations to Mike Isgro, of the Aggies, on being named Offensive Player of the Week for his perfomance vs. Salisbury. He made some really nice throws and his recievers came up with some "big time" catches. Still can't believe the catch Fox made while totally extended in the endzone.

Aggies face a real test in Kings this Saturday. They will have alot to overcome to come out of there with the win. Playing on the road for the first time this season, trying to avoid a "letdown" after two really emotional wins in a row versus ranked teams and taking on a much improved Kings team than last year's squad all are road blocks that the Aggies must ocercome!

Any predictions????

Del Val at Kings
Lyco at Widener
Leb Val at Wilkes
FDU at Albright

GO AGGIES!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 30, 2008, 09:40:15 AM
Quote from: KingSting999 on September 30, 2008, 09:11:25 AM
Congratulations to Mike Isgro, of the Aggies, on being named Offensive Player of the Week for his perfomance vs. Salisbury. He made some really nice throws and his recievers came up with some "big time" catches. Still can't believe the catch Fox made while totally extended in the endzone.

Aggies face a real test in Kings this Saturday. They will have alot to overcome to come out of there with the win. Playing on the road for the first time this season, trying to avoid a "letdown" after two really emotional wins in a row versus ranked teams and taking on a much improved Kings team than last year's squad all are road blocks that the Aggies must ocercome!

Any predictions????

Del Val at Kings
Lyco at Widener
Leb Val at Wilkes
FDU at Albright

GO AGGIES!!!!!

pbr see's a lunch pail w/ for dvc maybe 28-14? tough week w/ away game and to get up emotionally 2 weeks in a row is difficult. close at half and dvc pulls away in second half.

lyco vs. widener...widener in a squeaker if this game were at lyco pbr might pick lyco for the upset. lyco is sneaky this year they have a good coach and not a whole lot of film out there on their new systems they are running. not many people are talking about them they could sneak up on several teams this year. widener wins 21-14.

leb val. vs. wilkes.  pbr see's leb. val. finally getting over the hump and winning some big games this year. wilkes is having a down year and this is finally leb val's year. lv wins 24-14.

fdu vs. albright  albright is just too strong for fdu. fdu keeps it close for a half but albright's depth and qb take over in the second half and bust the game wide open w/ albright winning 31-14.

* of course pbr will be way off on his predictions but fun none the less to throw out some predictions....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 30, 2008, 01:26:24 PM
First, hats off to the Aggies and their faithful for another big win and well-deserved ranking. That's a very good start to the season, good luck keeping it up.

Regarding Wilkes, last weekend was my first chance to see the team play this year, and while many of you may have had them dead and buried before the season even began, they have made some very good progress in those first three games. Perhaps they may not storm their way to the MAC title, but I fell they will suprise some unsuspecting teams along the way.

Looking at the Colonels, any team that opens up playing three very difficult opponents after losing 4-year leaders like Karaffa and Follweiler is going to struggle a bit in the early going. But Rob Johnson has done well at QB, and while the defense had some miscues last week, they've been playing better than most expected. Also, they have a solid kicking game this year- something that cost us the chance to win several games last season.

Going forward, the three big things for the Colonels to improve on will be 1.) Running the ball well early in the game, 2.) Getting touchdowns in the red zone and 3.) Reducing penalties. If they keep moving in the right direction, it may be a better season than most expect.

PBR, I'll be at the Wilkes-LVC game this weekend and will be interested to see what happens with your prediction. LVC has a fantastic group of people, some very talented and experienced players, and Monos is a great coach. But they've also got a long losing streak against Wilkes, and I woulden't expect the Colonels to just roll over and sink at the start of MAC play. Enjoy the game at King's if any of you from DVC make the trip up- the Monarchs have a nice new turf field this season that should prove much better than the old stuff, and since I beleive they haven't scored on DVC in the last two seasons, I'm sure they'll be on their game this week. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 30, 2008, 01:42:43 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 30, 2008, 01:26:24 PM
First, hats off to the Aggies and their faithful for another big win and well-deserved ranking. That's a very good start to the season, good luck keeping it up.

Regarding Wilkes, last weekend was my first chance to see the team play this year, and while many of you may have had them dead and buried before the season even began, they have made some very good progress in those first three games. Perhaps they may not storm their way to the MAC title, but I fell they will suprise some unsuspecting teams along the way.

Looking at the Colonels, any team that opens up playing three very difficult opponents after losing 4-year leaders like Karaffa and Follweiler is going to struggle a bit in the early going. But Rob Johnson has done well at QB, and while the defense had some miscues last week, they've been playing better than most expected. Also, they have a solid kicking game this year- something that cost us the chance to win several games last season.

Going forward, the three big things for the Colonels to improve on will be 1.) Running the ball well early in the game, 2.) Getting touchdowns in the red zone and 3.) Reducing penalties. If they keep moving in the right direction, it may be a better season than most expect.

PBR, I'll be at the Wilkes-LVC game this weekend and will be interested to see what happens with your prediction. LVC has a fantastic group of people, some very talented and experienced players, and Monos is a great coach. But they've also got a long losing streak against Wilkes, and I woulden't expect the Colonels to just roll over and sink at the start of MAC play. Enjoy the game at King's if any of you from DVC make the trip up- the Monarchs have a nice new turf field this season that should prove much better than the old stuff, and since I beleive they haven't scored on DVC in the last two seasons, I'm sure they'll be on their game this week. 

had to pick an upset somewhere, leb val has been knocking on the door for a long time. figured they are due to knock it down at some point the odds say they have to...and believe pbr is no way discounting wilkes. they are a strong team and coaching staff.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 30, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
No problem PBR-  You and the others from Aggieland have always spoken respectfully of Wilkes, and the feelings are the same on my end for DVC.

Indeed, the Dutchmen have been knocking on the Wilkes door for some time now- while we beat them soundly my first two years with the program, our last two games with them- both in Annville- have been dogfights that could have gone either way, including last season when their game-winning FG hit the upright on the last play of regulation. We'll see if the streak stays alive, and you'll all get my comments/overview on here the next day, regardless of outcome.

And speaking of streaks, I mentioned in my last post about that stretch of scoreless games by the Monarchs against DVC, which I believe is at two years now. Should be fun to see if it continues- while King's has played some tough competition, the Aggie defense should be their biggest test of the season to date.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FLOA52 on September 30, 2008, 07:44:49 PM
After reading the Around the Region I believe that Del Val got jipped with not being in the top 5.  There are 2 teams in it that they have beaten and a few teams on there that I am sure they would beat if they played them.  They should be up there.

Also, I do not believe Leb Val will beat Wilkes this weekend.  Being that this weekend is homecoming for Wilkes (75 years), this will light a fire under them and they will win their first MAC game.  I will be there this weekend and hopefully they do not make a fool of me  :).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 30, 2008, 09:09:19 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 30, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
No problem PBR-  You and the others from Aggieland have always spoken respectfully of Wilkes, and the feelings are the same on my end for DVC.

Indeed, the Dutchmen have been knocking on the Wilkes door for some time now- while we beat them soundly my first two years with the program, our last two games with them- both in Annville- have been dogfights that could have gone either way, including last season when their game-winning FG hit the upright on the last play of regulation. We'll see if the streak stays alive, and you'll all get my comments/overview on here the next day, regardless of outcome.

And speaking of streaks, I mentioned in my last post about that stretch of scoreless games by the Monarchs against DVC, which I believe is at two years now. Should be fun to see if it continues- while King's has played some tough competition, the Aggie defense should be their biggest test of the season to date.

actually would really like yours and others take on leb val. they only had a few people on here whoever posted and they havent been around at all this year. curious to have someone witness them in person and provide a recap on how their offense and defense looked.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 30, 2008, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: maAggie on September 27, 2008, 07:17:27 PM
Way to go AGGIES!!! That was an amazing performance today, and you guys were unbelievable! The offense was just unbelievable with over 400 yards total offense, and the defense stepped up big time in the second half. The tone was set on the opening drive after the half when Salisbury was shut down and went 3 and out. Del Val stepped up big and Salisbury had no answers for Isgro and company. Fox made an amazing catch in the end zone, and Cook was just running over people. The O-line was just mowing Gulls down all day long!

Congrats to Widener, FDU, and Lyco(sorry you feel so left out)! The MAC looks to be a dogfight!


PS, I don't know what's up with these teams from the Independent conference, but they sure come in talking a bunch of trash!

u mean this catch thats under d3football.com's photo galleries?

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffaq.pictureprints.net%2Fthumbs%2F2258%2F0168&hash=656959e56892134ba84aa5f0edd58009da24ba9e)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 30, 2008, 10:44:23 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 30, 2008, 09:09:19 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 30, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
No problem PBR-  You and the others from Aggieland have always spoken respectfully of Wilkes, and the feelings are the same on my end for DVC.

Indeed, the Dutchmen have been knocking on the Wilkes door for some time now- while we beat them soundly my first two years with the program, our last two games with them- both in Annville- have been dogfights that could have gone either way, including last season when their game-winning FG hit the upright on the last play of regulation. We'll see if the streak stays alive, and you'll all get my comments/overview on here the next day, regardless of outcome.

And speaking of streaks, I mentioned in my last post about that stretch of scoreless games by the Monarchs against DVC, which I believe is at two years now. Should be fun to see if it continues- while King's has played some tough competition, the Aggie defense should be their biggest test of the season to date.

actually would really like yours and others take on leb val. they only had a few people on here whoever posted and they havent been around at all this year. curious to have someone witness them in person and provide a recap on how their offense and defense looked.

PBR, I do remember the LVC faithful, as I've been "lurking" on here since the start of the '05 season. You will get my full report after the action, so no worries.

I think it will be a good contest- LVC has two very talented guys in the form of Parker at RB and Cottone at LB who can play, but I know they lost several key players to graduation including Brossman and Vinju, so I don't know much about this year's squad. This is the first trip to Ralston Field for the Dutchmen since 2005, so I'll be interested to see if they play as well up here as they did against us at Arnold Field the last two seasons.

FLOA52- If you're a former Wilkes player and played between 2004-2007, then I worked with you at some point. Give me a yell at Homecoming if you see me around!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 01, 2008, 01:15:21 PM
PB, the picture of that catch does indeed appear in D-III photos, pretty cool huh?

GmanWU, LebVal is always an enigma of sorts, as they play tough but always seem to find a way to lose in the end. Not sure why that is, but it's definitely been the case over the last 4 years. As for Wilkes, defensively they're always tough, and we understand the growing pains they are going through as DVC had some big shoes to fill with the loss of Albanisius, Purcell, and Mancuso, in fact they are still finding their way back to the dominating "d" from the past few seasons. The big question mark for Wilkes always seems to be how effective their offense will be. This year it seems DVC has re-established themselves offensively, I think the maturation of Isgro and Greco has really been key for us on that side of the ball. What are your feelings on Wilkes' offense this year?

As for the un-scored upon streak of Kings, not sure we'll see that for the reason I mentioned above. However, the bottom line is scoring more than your opponent, and I think this team has proven itself capable thus far.

Good luck this weekend, it will be interesting to see how the MAC will shape up. Playing non-conference games really doesn't give a true picture, though it seems all teams in the conference have improved, therefore, it could be another wild ride to the end, to see who the winner will be.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 01, 2008, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: maAggie on October 01, 2008, 01:15:21 PM
PB, the picture of that catch does indeed appear in D-III photos, pretty cool huh?

GmanWU, LebVal is always an enigma of sorts, as they play tough but always seem to find a way to lose in the end. Not sure why that is, but it's definitely been the case over the last 4 years. As for Wilkes, defensively they're always tough, and we understand the growing pains they are going through as DVC had some big shoes to fill with the loss of Albanisius, Purcell, and Mancuso, in fact they are still finding their way back to the dominating "d" from the past few seasons. The big question mark for Wilkes always seems to be how effective their offense will be. This year it seems DVC has re-established themselves offensively, I think the maturation of Isgro and Greco has really been key for us on that side of the ball. What are your feelings on Wilkes' offense this year?

As for the un-scored upon streak of Kings, not sure we'll see that for the reason I mentioned above. However, the bottom line is scoring more than your opponent, and I think this team has proven itself capable thus far.

Good luck this weekend, it will be interesting to see how the MAC will shape up. Playing non-conference games really doesn't give a true picture, though it seems all teams in the conference have improved, therefore, it could be another wild ride to the end, to see who the winner will be.


MaAggie, I've only seen the most recent games from Wilkes. But judging from that and the stats/comments from people in attendence at the first two games, I am very impressed with the development of the passing game. Wilkes has several experienced seniors at wideout, but the big step has come from junior QB Rob Johnson, who has done a commendable job taking over after the graduation of 4-year starter Al Karaffa. Ryan Cushman, a mid-year transfer after last season, has given them a change-of-pace option with his running ability at QB.

My big question comes with the running game, where the team has seemed to struggle last year to repeat the productivity that was such a big part of our success in '05 and '06. The Colonels have played three very good defenses, so hopefully it will pick up as MAC play begins. Also, the offense dose have a new coordinator this year- a move that was welcomed by many of the players I talked to after his hiring- so hopefully the unit will start to click as we go along.

On the defensive side, the players you mentioned are indeed big losses, and Wilkes is in a similar position after the graduation of Follweiler and Acquaye, and several others. Plus, when you think back a bit and look at all the defensive talent that graduated from both Wilkes and DVC after the 2006 season, It's easy to see that both teams may be in a bit of a rebuilding mode this season. Still, both units will most likley be among the top in the MAC this season, so keep an eye on the D as conference play starts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 02, 2008, 10:03:33 PM
Programming note...

King's
versus
Delaware Valley

Always a tough place to play for Del Val and now they have a target on their backs (or chests or whatever). 

If you can't make it to Wilkes-Barre, you can listen to the game live (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) starting with pregame at 12:40 pm and kickoff at 1 pm.

The audio link will not work until the broadcast is running. This stream requires Windows Media Player 9.0 or later.

Note: The game was initially scheduled for 1:30 pm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 03, 2008, 08:41:42 AM
Belated congratulations go out to Brandon Fox and the entire Aggie offensive line for being named to the DIII team of the week for their performance against Salisbury last Saturday.

More good news for the Aggies, word is that Greg Rissenger will see his first action of the year coming off an  injury that has kept him on the sideline for the first month of the season. He was probably the best returning defensive lineman on the Aggie roster at the start of camp.

Picks for this week's MAC games :

Lycoming  24  -  Widener 13 
Tough to go against Widener at home but their offense has been struggling to score points and Lyco seems much improved. A real test for both teams to find where they are in the MAC.

Wilkes 17 - Lebanon Valley 14
Wilkes defends their home turf as well as any MAC team out there. Know they have been struggling but look for them to play their best game of the season.

Albright 35 - FDU 28
Kind of expecting an offensive shoot out in this one, FDU is much improved but Albright has the homefield advantage and will use it to their advantage.

Del Val 28 - Kings 17
This should be another of many competitive MAC contests this year for the Aggies. Kings wants to get off on the right foot in the MAC and should be primed for a strong effort. If the Aggies protect the ball and don't have a "let down" their offense should be able to put enough points on the board for the win.

I truly believe that the MAC is much improved over the past few years and every team playing this weeks has a chance for the W.

Remember, only my humble opinion, I've got just a good of a chance to go 0 - 4 as having all 4 right!   Go AGGIES!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 03, 2008, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 02, 2008, 10:03:33 PM
Programming note...

King's
versus
Delaware Valley

Always a tough place to play for Del Val and now they have a target on their backs (or chests or whatever). 

If you can't make it to Wilkes-Barre, you can listen to the game live (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) starting with pregame at 12:40 pm and kickoff at 1 pm.

The audio link will not work until the broadcast is running. This stream requires Windows Media Player 9.0 or later.

Note: The game was initially scheduled for 1:30 pm.

ahh gordon good to see you back on the airwaves...errr streamwaves or whatever they call it
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 03, 2008, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 02, 2008, 10:03:33 PM
Programming note...

King's
versus
Delaware Valley

Always a tough place to play for Del Val and now they have a target on their backs (or chests or whatever). 

If you can't make it to Wilkes-Barre, you can listen to the game live (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) starting with pregame at 12:40 pm and kickoff at 1 pm.

The audio link will not work until the broadcast is running. This stream requires Windows Media Player 9.0 or later.

Note: The game was initially scheduled for 1:30 pm.

Isn't the home team normally listed last?

Or am I missing something here?

So properly it should say Del Val vs. King's rather than how it read.

I predict Warriors to win 21 - 17 over Widener too.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 03, 2008, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 03, 2008, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 02, 2008, 10:03:33 PM
Programming note...

King's
versus
Delaware Valley

Always a tough place to play for Del Val and now they have a target on their backs (or chests or whatever). 

If you can't make it to Wilkes-Barre, you can listen to the game live (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) starting with pregame at 12:40 pm and kickoff at 1 pm.

The audio link will not work until the broadcast is running. This stream requires Windows Media Player 9.0 or later.

Note: The game was initially scheduled for 1:30 pm.

Isn't the home team normally listed last?

Or am I missing something here?

So properly it should say Del Val vs. King's rather than how it read.

I predict Warriors to win 21 - 17 over Widener too.

ATB

When the word 'versus' is used, the home team is first.  You are probably used to seeing box scores where the home team is at the bottom, or when games are listed as "team a AT team b"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 04, 2008, 12:13:09 AM
Actually I've always listed Delaware Valley on the bottom out of deference to the other team.  But I'll keep the protocol in mind. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 04, 2008, 09:37:23 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 04, 2008, 12:13:09 AM
Actually I've always listed Delaware Valley on the bottom out of deference to the other team.  But I'll keep the protocol in mind. :)

I dont think its scientific or legal or anything.  It just seemed to me thats the way it should be?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 04, 2008, 04:51:09 PM
Actually I was thinking of how it reads on the scoreboard.

Regardless - good banter.

Now - how about those Warriors?

And the prediction?  Where are the Lycoming posters?????

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 04, 2008, 08:53:09 PM
Great start for Coach Clark at Lycoming. 

During the drive back from King's, we pulled off at the rest stop near Allentown on I-476.  There were parents from Lycoming (coming back from Chester), Lebanon Valley (coming back from Wilkes) and us from Del Val.  We should've waited to see if anyone from FDU-Florham (coming back from Albright) showed up. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 04, 2008, 09:22:10 PM
the wesley radio crew mentioned a possible home and home with lycoming  starting next year ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 05, 2008, 01:30:53 AM
Well PBR, you win on this one :o In 5 seasons of me either working with or just following Wilkes football, this was quite possibly the worst performance the team put in. Anytime a team gives away five fumbles in one game- including one on what would have been a touchdown on the opening drive- the outcome is pretty much decided already.

I promised all of you guys a look at Leb Val, so here's what I came up with. The LVC defense is a solid group overall, with the linebacking corps being the strongest unit. The secondary isn't star-studded but dose cover very well- most of the Wilkes receptions came on jump-ball type catches. The offense is still the same base system as previous seasons, but relies far less on the pass than when Kelly was flicking it to Brossman and Vinju on the outside over the past few years. The key to the offense is Charlie Parker- he's durable and very shifty, and is a threat anytime he runs outside. Up front I was impressed with the Dutchmen O-line, they have good size and were blowing open holes all game long for Parker. While they played very well today, I'd be curious to see how they stack up agaisnt some of the veteran defensive fronts around the league.

As for Wilkes, truly a day to forget. I really never buy into homecoming as a reason for a team getting extra motivation- you should want to bust it every time on the field IMHO- but the current group of Colonels stunk up the complex in front of many former players, not just from recent years but also a huge number who had come for a special reunion of the teams from the late 60's that had strung together several unbeaten seasons in the pre-playoff years. The defensive line got pushed around all day and rarely did anything against either Fick or the run game, but the big story was the fumbles, including one each on a punt return and kick return. On offense, the passing game was solid but the running attack struggled again, with no clear-cut back to step up in the manner Parker dose for LVC. Sean Madden caught a bunch of passes out of the backfield, but that was about the only positive for the running backs in this week's action.

Looking ahead, if the Colonels don't hang onto the ball and get after somebody on the defensive front, they aren't gong to beat anyone anytime soon. The road ahead dosen't get any easier, and it may be very tough sledding from here on out in Wilkes-Barre. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on October 05, 2008, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 04, 2008, 09:22:10 PM
the wesley radio crew mentioned a possible home and home with lycoming  starting next year ;)

Wesley should just join the MAC. They are playing them more MAC then thier own conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 05, 2008, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: old ends on October 05, 2008, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 04, 2008, 09:22:10 PM
the wesley radio crew mentioned a possible home and home with lycoming  starting next year ;)

Wesley should just join the MAC. They are playing them more MAC then thier own conference.

That's because (No One) in the E 8 will!!!!, The NJAC doesn't have any open dates and the USA south team all were soundly thrashed by them when they were in the ACFC  ;D  Wesley  only has 5 games against D 3 schools this year. Though they do have CNU again next year barring an another Hurricane
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on October 05, 2008, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 05, 2008, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: old ends on October 05, 2008, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 04, 2008, 09:22:10 PM
the wesley radio crew mentioned a possible home and home with lycoming  starting next year ;)

Wesley should just join the MAC. They are playing them more MAC then thier own conference.

That's because (No One) in the E 8 will!!!!, The NJAC doesn't have any open dates and the USA south team all were soundly thrashed by them when they were in the ACFC  ;D  Wesley  only has 5 games against D 3 schools this year. Though they do have CNU again next year barring an another Hurricane

You guys belong in the MAC or NJAC. Pick a conference for Football and get-r-done. No excuses. !!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 05, 2008, 08:21:48 PM
Aggies, Congrats on the King's win! You went out and did what you needed to do, and the game was never really in doubt from the opening kick-off.

GMan, I feel your pain, it's tough to watch your favorite team lose, and it stings even more when it's in the conference. It sounds as if WU still hasn't gotten up to speed with the new players, sometimes it takes a while to find that chemistry. It was hard for DVC when they lost all those seniors two years ago, and their head coach as well. I'm sure there were many who thought the winning ways at DVC were over, after all Coach Clements and his guys are a young bunch. But, given some time, they've re-established the Aggies program and they've done it with character guys, guys that are like the coaches themselves. The kids they have on the field may not always be the most talented on the field, but they certainly leave it all out there and there aren't any primadonnas. Every guy is a bluecollar guy that plays their heart out on every play and the results have been positive to this point. I do feel, there was a little let-down from the past two games, but when it mattered guys stepped up and got the job done against Kings. I think it's going to take a bit more intensity against LVC and hopefully, the home(coming)crowd can help, though I agree that each player should find that within themselves. After all, a college football player only has about 40 games over their career. Once it's over, the majority never get to play the game again. For that reason, a guy needs to play every play as if it's his last.

Let's get amped up this week Aggies! The defense needs to make a statement against Parker and the LebVal running game, and the offense needs to continue to put the points on the board.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 05, 2008, 08:29:25 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on October 05, 2008, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 05, 2008, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: old ends on October 05, 2008, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 04, 2008, 09:22:10 PM
the wesley radio crew mentioned a possible home and home with lycoming  starting next year ;)

Wesley should just join the MAC. They are playing them more MAC then thier own conference.

rams1102

  Wesley can't go into a roster restrictive conference i.e. NJAC. I don't know if the MAC has a roster limit or not. But there are some posters here who say that Wesley will never get asked to the MAC.




That's because (No One) in the E 8 will!!!!, The NJAC doesn't have any open dates and the USA south team all were soundly thrashed by them when they were in the ACFC  ;D  Wesley  only has 5 games against D 3 schools this year. Though they do have CNU again next year barring an another Hurricane

You guys belong in the MAC or NJAC. Pick a conference for Football and get-r-done. No excuses. !!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on October 05, 2008, 08:55:08 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 05, 2008, 08:29:25 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on October 05, 2008, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 05, 2008, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: old ends on October 05, 2008, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 04, 2008, 09:22:10 PM
the wesley radio crew mentioned a possible home and home with lycoming  starting next year ;)

Wesley should just join the MAC. They are playing them more MAC then thier own conference.

rams1102

  Wesley can't go into a roster restrictive conference i.e. NJAC. I don't know if the MAC has a roster limit or not. But there are some posters here who say that Wesley will never get asked to the MAC.
That's because (No One) in the E 8 will!!!!, The NJAC doesn't have any open dates and the USA south team all were soundly thrashed by them when they were in the ACFC  ;D  Wesley  only has 5 games against D 3 schools this year. Though they do have CNU again next year barring an another Hurricane

You guys belong in the MAC or NJAC. Pick a conference for Football and get-r-done. No excuses. !!!

Wesley must make it's choice, roster limit or not. Whatever the choice, don't complain about who will play you. You know Montclair will. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 06, 2008, 07:46:05 AM
another nice win by dvc excellent job. 1 week at a time no looking ahead as he MAC is too tough this year. Lebanon Valley is a solid team and should not be taken lightly. PBR was pretty close on his picks only missed the lyco/widener game by a little, thought widener would be able to eek out a win at home. imho lyco's success is 2 fold...new coach doing very well w/ new systems and teams overlooking lyco based on their last several years. great to see lyco doing well again (unless its against dvc)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 06, 2008, 04:33:49 PM
there is a game out there this week that peaks pbr's interest in a big way this week. lots of talk about dvc and their big wins over top10 teams, the resurgence of lyco and is leb val for real and of course widener always being strong. BUT not a whole lot has been spoken about albright? Here they are sitting at 3-1 w/ their only loss coming to salisbury by 2 points. Albright travels to lyco this week and imho this game is going to speak volumes about both teams. is lyco for real? is albright ready to make the next step up and challenge for the mac title? lots of chatter out there about mac teams yet albright has been flying below the radar. well this week they can no longer hide and we find out who the real mac contender is in williamsport...should be a great game to see
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 06, 2008, 11:04:10 PM
I think this is going to be a solid year for Albright, there isn't any reason they arent battling for the MAC in November this year.  I'm not so sure they should be flying under the radar.  They only lost a handful of people from a team that was a few mishaps away from winning the mac last year.  The offense seems to be off to a slow start especially for an Albright team, but that is expected with losing the WR they lost to gradutaion.  I can see them picking up as the season goes on, and making a serious run at the MAC this year.

Not sure how anyone feels about this, but this is something I definitely noticed last year at a few MAC games.  It seems to me like the overall talent has had a bit of a drop off.  I am beginning to think that with the major advancements made in recruiting over the last 5 years, D3 schools are starting to miss out on a lot of those guys that fell through the cracks in the years past.  Guys like Carmon (spelling?)  and Marshall from DVC, Cushman from Albright, Trichillo from Wilkes as examples, They all had d2 stud potential, and d1 roster spot potential yet made their career in the MAC.  Does anyone think we will see a drop off in overall talent as a lot of guys similar to this will get more looks at recruiting combines and camps? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 07, 2008, 07:51:41 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 05, 2008, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: old ends on October 05, 2008, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 04, 2008, 09:22:10 PM
the wesley radio crew mentioned a possible home and home with lycoming  starting next year ;)

Wesley should just join the MAC. They are playing them more MAC then thier own conference.

That's because (No One) in the E 8 will!!!!, The NJAC doesn't have any open dates and the USA south team all were soundly thrashed by them when they were in the ACFC  ;D  Wesley  only has 5 games against D 3 schools this year. Though they do have CNU again next year barring an another Hurricane

Give me a break, stop crying because your not in a real conference.  Its the E8's fault that you cant fill out your own schedule?  Join a real conference and stop crying...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 07, 2008, 11:24:32 AM
Dog:

I don't know enough to speculate on which MAC players could play at Division II or lower level Division I programs, but there are a handful who started there and transferred to Division III after a year (e.g. Chryst at Albright, a couple kids from Widener, new tight end at FDU-Florham) or chose a Division III program over a Division II or Division I-AA program (Reuter at Del Val).

The players you mentioned were all very good but there's still a lot of talent in this league.  For example, Cushman and Port are gone, but Kelly and Romig are very good.  Some of the change is cyclical across teams that graduate great players and need some time to develop the next Brett Trichilo or Kyle Follweiler.  Some of it is cyclical across programs as Team X gets a higher level of talent than it used to and Team Y gets less.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 07, 2008, 12:14:18 PM
also it probably is impossible to put a math to the question but the day of the internet(thx al gore) and email, etc. its much easier than it used to be for players to put together highlight film of themselves and get it in front of div I-A, AA coaches. my thery being that maybe some of the kids who used to fall thru the cracks due to lack of exposure now have a huge recruiting tool at hand to get film of themselves in front of the coaches at all levels. just a thought....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 07, 2008, 12:53:14 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 07, 2008, 12:14:18 PM
also it probably is impossible to put a math to the question but the day of the internet(thx al gore) and email, etc. its much easier than it used to be for players to put together highlight film of themselves and get it in front of div I-A, AA coaches. my thery being that maybe some of the kids who used to fall thru the cracks due to lack of exposure now have a huge recruiting tool at hand to get film of themselves in front of the coaches at all levels. just a thought....

Could there also be a trickle down effect with recruiting?  D-I schools lose players every year early to the Draft, declaring for the draft and not pulling out in time, failing out etc.  Could this cause some schools that are not powers to go after the better players that would normally gone to D-IAA who are borderline talent but will stay for four years.  This in turn causes the D-IAA to go after D-II and D-III caliber players and D-II to go after D-III type players?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 07, 2008, 01:06:33 PM
No disrespect meant here, but since you mentioned one of All-American's from DelVal, and after having seen those players for a few years, I'm not so sure talent is down. While we may not have receivers with the natural speed of those from the recent past, the guys we currently have are out there make some spectacular catches and there aren't any guys fighting for more catches. I think that there are a lot of reasons that quality guys don't go to bigger divisions or bigger programs, and instead choose to play D-III. Among those are a desire to play immediately, and sometimes, the comfort of not being too far from home. To make a blanket statement that the talent level is down, isn't fair or correct from what I'm seeing. I agree with the cyclical theory of Gordon, but also think that a different recruiting philosophy may also be a part of the new coaching regimes at a few of the MAC schools and other D-III's as well. Lastly, I think financial concerns also affect a lot of D-III rosters, as kids can't find enough dollars to cover the ever increasing tuitions at schools where no athletic money is available.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 07, 2008, 01:11:30 PM
The cost is a good point MaAggie.  If a player was considering say, Moravian, FDU, Muhlenberg, Lyco and maybe Kings for example and the cost is overwhelming and the FA is not their adequately that same kid might consider Kutztown St, ESU, or another D-II state college that is more affordable and where they could probably still make the team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 07, 2008, 04:09:09 PM
 I agree. At our level, cost/financial aid package is THE number one reason kids pick one school over another - even over academic reputations in many cases.

I also find it interesting that you mentioned the state school vs. MAC in cost/choices.
(Potential sour grapes warning ahead!)
One disadvantage that FDU has versus the rest of the MAC is the state school issue. In NJ, the state schools are all division 3. FDU cannot compete with these schools when cost is the primary concern - it's that simple.
In PA, as you know, the state schools are division 2. Theoretically, they shouldn't be competing with the MAC PA schools for the same players.
(this is why I've felt FDU should be recruiting in PA WAY more, but that's another post :)  )
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 07, 2008, 04:38:03 PM
Quote from: bill on October 07, 2008, 04:09:09 PM
I agree. At our level, cost/financial aid package is THE number one reason kids pick one school over another - even over academic reputations in many cases.

I also find it interesting that you mentioned the state school vs. MAC in cost/choices.
(Potential sour grapes warning ahead!)
One disadvantage that FDU has versus the rest of the MAC is the state school issue. In NJ, the state schools are all division 3. FDU cannot compete with these schools when cost is the primary concern - it's that simple.
In PA, as you know, the state schools are division 2. Theoretically, they shouldn't be competing with the MAC PA schools for the same players.
(this is why I've felt FDU should be recruiting in PA WAY more, but that's another post :)  )

The MAC recruits or did recruit hard in North West Jersey.  I think about the same number of kids from my old HS (about 10 miles East of Easton PA) go to MAC or Cenntennial schools as go to NJAC schools.  I have said for quite a while I would have been better off financially if I had gone to Moravian instead of NJCU, Moravian had a much better FA package, but stupid me thought the state school would be better.  Also the music Faculty at NJCU was and is first class.  Many professors graduated from Julliard and some taught there and at Manhattan school of music also.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 07, 2008, 05:23:58 PM
Knightstalker

Absoultely. I haven't checked this year's roster yet, but last year Wilkes was almost 50% NJ players!

I was trying to convey that the MAC schools have long pounded NJ (and PA) for their players without having to go head to head (for the most part) with their own state schools, while FDU (and Upsala, remember them?) has to compete with both MAC, Centennial, and NJ state schools for the same talent. Thank god that schools like Monmouth started giving money, because for a while we were also competing with the likes of them, St John's, Iona, etc. also!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 07, 2008, 07:16:54 PM
Gordon

I also wanted to point out the the TE to which you referred at FDU is a transfer from Montclair State. He spent a full year here (last year) and is now on the team. I believe originally started out at Monmouth, but I'm not sure if he even practiced there....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 07, 2008, 08:36:31 PM
Bill, while I have never checked the official ratio, you are exactly correct that around 50% of the roster at Wilkes is made up of Garden State natives- Coach McCree deals with Jersey and dose a very good job in the area. I've been born and bread here in Scranton, and always kept an eye out on our recruting lists for local talent coming in when I was there, so please allow me to share some insights.

- In terms of our closest competition for local players, I have seen a large number of local players from the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area choose one of the PSAC schools over either Wilkes or King's, or both, with Bloomsburg and ESU being the most obvious choices. The state schools are a good bit less expensive, and that has always been a deciding factor even before the current economic climate set in. King's dose compete with the Colonels for some players- both schools have their pipelines and sometimes snatch a player from each other's strongholds, but I think both schools lose a tremendous amount of potential talent to the PSACs every season.

- In terms of other D3 schools recruting NEPA, the CC dose get some guys form time to time, but probably the biggest movers are the Yellowjackets of Rochester, as they have a few schools where they have gotten a number of players from over the past few years.

- Anohter movement sweeping across the local landscape is having players turn down playing opportunities at all smaller levels in order to get a shot as a "preferred walk-on"- with no scholarship- at a school like Penn State- there are currently a batch of players that I cna think of from this area who would play at a local school but turn it down for the chance to dress up and run out of the tunnell at a bigger school- dosen't make much sense to me when they could have a fantastic 4 years of playing time at most any d3 school.


In the end, it all leads up to a challenging recruting environment for the two local MAC teams. No question Coach Shep and Coach Manello work as hard as anyone in recruting, but the competition is absolutley brutal. When I came to Wilkes and started working with the team, my class and the one before it had a tremendous amount of local talent, but that seems to have slowed up a bit lately. It translates into the likleyhood of us seieng another Trichilo vs. Jackson-style matchup in the near future all the less likley.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 07, 2008, 09:09:39 PM
I just want to clarify that I am not taking a shot at the players in the conference by my previous post.  I had the opportunity to get to the Albright/Widener MAC game last year which had major implications.  It was at that point the most important game in the Mac.  I have been watching the conference with a close enough eye over the last ten years.  To me it just didnt seem like a typical League deciding game. 
This is not intended to take a shot at any of the players out there.  I think there are a ton of great players in the MAC right now.  Kelly, and Romig are both great players for example. 
This was just an observation, but I do think that D3 schools are going to have to do something in the near future to be able to compete with the other levels.  Regardless D3 will always be here, and be great football.  I just feel they will begin to miss out on a lot of guys that have scholarship potential.  As someone mentioned "preferred walk-on" or walking on at a psac school which is still way cheaper than Widener, DVC, or Albright.  Obviously this isnt ground breaking information, but I think with times changing we are seeing some of the direct effects of the new recruiting game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 07, 2008, 11:25:08 PM
Congratulations to the Aggies on a "workmanlike" effort on the road against a competitive Kings team. As the MAC scores showed, every game should be a real battle wheyjer you are at home or on the road!

Way to go Mikey and Goose for being named MAC players of the week. It is well deserved. I was impressed with the Aggies effort to control the Monarchs running game but they will face an even stronger test this weekend with Leb Val's Parker. Aggies did not protect the ball as well as usual ;ast week and will have to corect that against the ball hawking Leb Vaal team to keep their winning streak alive.

Let's have your predictions for this week's games.

Leb Val @ Del Val

Wilkes @ FDU

Widener @ Kings

Albright @ Lyco

Should be another interesting week. Will post mine later in the week!
GO AGGIES!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 07, 2008, 11:58:33 PM
Dog, you make a very vaild point with respect to the MAC talent across the board, and I very much value and respect your opinion.  I don't know if it is exactly accurate to say that the talent level is down- in my view the MAC has been blessed with many players who are exceptional talents in the last four years, and the departure of some of those players dose very much leave a gap that can't always be filled. My freshman season with the team at Wilkes was also Trichilo's senior year, and in the months that followed I had everyone asking me "How is Wilkes going to replace Trichilo next season?" Indeed, it perhaps is the case that we have all been spolied the last few seasons ;)

In regards to my point about walking on at bigger schools, I was referring to the route several local players have taken lately of discarding the chance to play for a D3, D2 or even a 1-AA (as it will always be called by me) school in favor of being a "preferred walk-on" at a 1-A school like Penn State, Syracuse, or Temple. In many cases these players need to pay their own way through and may get to dress for home games, but in the end they never earn a scholoarship, make the travel roster, or live out their big-time dreams as they play out the way their high school coaches tell them they will. And here in PA District 2, I see this happening more and more often- sometimes I see players in high school who I think would struggle to earn a starting spot on a D3 team and learn later they the'll be "walking on" at a BCS school next season ???

In my four years at Wilkes I saw many players who could have easily chased those big-school dreams, but chose instead to come to a school where they would get a great education and would get to play- really play- football at the same time. All of them had their own reasons as to why they ended up at the Ralston Field complex as opposed to, perhaps, the Carrier Dome, but I think few of them would really regret that decision.

My bottom line on the big-school issue is that I beleive the practice of high school  players thinking too big in terms of their future potential is a very real one, and something that not only robs many D3 schools of talent, but also can contribute to the individual players having a less-than-rewarding college experience at whatever big school they choose. There are many people who could be blamed in each individual situation-  high school coaches looking to make a name as talent-developers, parents and friends who want to brag, and many others- but in the end it often winds up being a bad deal, and leads us to the point that Dog is discussing.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 08, 2008, 12:03:00 AM
  One thing that you should add to the equation in Pa. is Penn State. I coached high school baseball for five years and semi-pro ball for another three and I was around the football team for quite a few years  and I can say without hesitation that there are many good athletes who want to go to Penn State. Not for sports but because it is Penn State. Some of them end up at off site campuses for two years and play a sport there but when they transfer there playing days are over. There are no off site schools that have football that I know of.
 Secondly, The D II schools have a big advantage selling there schools because of costs which has been talked about and prestige. A kid who gets recruited by a D II
school even if he doesn't go there has that letter that said he was good enough.
 And lastly, the D II schools can hang that money carrot in front of a player. Though they don't give everyone equal scholarships , they do use that as an incentive
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 08, 2008, 12:10:32 AM
Not to mention MAC schools are also competing with Leigh and Lafayette for some of the same students/players. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 08, 2008, 12:15:43 AM
Gordon- I don't know if you'll remember, but I finally met you before the Wilkes-DVC game this past season and ran into you again at the Wilkes-Desales basketball playoff game- I should make the Wilkes-DVC game this season and will be sure to catch up with you! I agree that some players come in and play at an exceptionally high level, and that creates a benchmark for fans that is sometimes hard to reach (see my previous post for more on this)

Bill- Ever since we opened with WPU and then faced Rowan in the playoffs in '05, I have maintained that I cannot understand how the NJ state schools are not playing in D2 agains the likes of Bloom and ESU, instead of taking it a bit easier than they should be in D3- it makes life much tougher on you guys at FDU and I salute you for doing well in spite of this difficulty. But believe me, competing agaisnt the PSAC in recruting is a daily grind for the two local MAC programs when dealing with local players. I can name a batch off the top of my head that would serve as good examples- we got some of them, but many others went the PSAC route. Another big obstacle is the Patriot League, with Bucknell, Fordham and Colgate grabbing a bunch of District 2 guys in the recent past. But the big competition comes from the PSAC- there's a bunch of them and they love to fill their rosters with guys from this area.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 08, 2008, 12:17:48 AM
Knightstalker- how could I forget the Lehigh Valley clubs when mentioning the Patriot League ??? Thanks for making up for one of my many slip-ups!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 08, 2008, 08:15:42 AM
G-ManWU, the NJAC schools aren't D-II because most of them can't afford it.  I think all the schools would be hard pressed and would probably be non-scholarship with the exception of possibly Rowan, MSU and maybe TCNJ.  D-III is where the NJAC schools belong, they are founding members of D-III, they follow the rules and for football they have 100 man roster limits.  Additionally for football there are only 5 NJAC in NJ.  The trouble is FDU is within an hour or so of 4 of them and are competing against them.  But there is a significant NJ presence on the FDU roster and I recognized several of the names.  There are many kids who were good HS players who should be pretty good D-III players.  Including several of the freshmen.  It looks like they had a good class come in this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on October 08, 2008, 12:22:24 PM
GMAN I think you may be correct in a sense.

Maybe there was a spot in time where the MAC was spoiled with talent, for a five to six year time fram when three or four teams had Big Time Talent. I watched Trichilo, he was a freak.  I also got to see guys like Bartosic, Jones, Coleman, Carmon, Cushman, Wilson & Keene from Kings, and a couple of guys I am probably missing in that time frame that were definitely able to play at higher levels.  Maybe I was a bit "spolied" by seeing these guys week in and week out.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 08, 2008, 02:53:38 PM
Thanks for the response Dog. Indeed all of those guys mentioned were very talented and could have played at some schools in higher classifications. As is the case with every player on a D3 roster, each had their own reasons for landing at whatever school they played for, and such talent dose not always come easy. My very first game working at Wilkes was the 2004 season opener- Albright vs. Wilkes- with both Port and Trichilo having incredible games in an eventual 38-35 Lions win.

Today, I think there is still a good amount of talent in the MAC, but it is hard to match the prolific talents of many of those players you mentioned. For example, in looking at Albright the last few seasons, I thought Asay was a fantastic player, but if you compare him with Cushman..well, that's a tough standard to measure up to.

On a final note, I think any MAC game is still a good one, with talented players on each team, and if you are an Albright fan you've got a good squad to follow down in Reading. Best wishes on the rest of the season :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 09, 2008, 12:50:06 PM
Not to belabor the point, but I think many of the schools you've mentioned(ie. Rowan, and DVC) have gone a different direction in their recruiting. Rowan, for instance, was a mess when K.C. Keeler was there. Coach Accorsi, has spent less time chasing D-I washouts (many of whom were never even enrolled in classes at the school) and instead is focusing on "student"-athletes. He does have a transfer QB who is a local kid that transferred from UDel where he was a WR, but didn't play much, but he's not in the same catagory of a Greg Lister or even Orihal, also, he's not throwing to a bunch of D-I transfers either. The same for Isgro at DVC, he's got good solid receivers, but there are no Carmen's or Donnie Marshall's out there catching his passes. While it's often a great luxary to have such big, athletic guys, there's also no baggage with the current crop of players. I think in terms of DVC, this offense can be just as explosive as the cast of 3 years ago, but it also has the ability (and uses it) to control the ball and allow the defense some time off the field. Some things are all relative, and all that really matters is the guys you line-up with each week, regardless of God-given talent, are going to play within the system and utilize all their own talents in a way that compliments their teammates while playing within the coach's system. And to me, that's just as exciting to watch and appreciate as seeing a naturally gifted athlete that isn't always giving 100% and thinking of the good of the team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 09, 2008, 01:11:07 PM
Quote from: maAggie on October 09, 2008, 12:50:06 PM
Not to belabor the point, but I think many of the schools you've mentioned(ie. Rowan, and DVC) have gone a different direction in their recruiting. Rowan, for instance, was a mess when K.C. Keeler was there. Coach Accorsi, has spent less time chasing D-I washouts (many of whom were never even enrolled in classes at the school) and instead is focusing on "student"-athletes. He does have a transfer QB who is a local kid that transferred from UDel where he was a WR, but didn't play much, but he's not in the same catagory of a Greg Lister or even Orihal, also, he's not throwing to a bunch of D-I transfers either. The same for Isgro at DVC, he's got good solid receivers, but there are no Carmen's or Donnie Marshall's out there catching his passes. While it's often a great luxary to have such big, athletic guys, there's also no baggage with the current crop of players. I think in terms of DVC, this offense can be just as explosive as the cast of 3 years ago, but it also has the ability (and uses it) to control the ball and allow the defense some time off the field. Some things are all relative, and all that really matters is the guys you line-up with each week, regardless of God-given talent, are going to play within the system and utilize all their own talents in a way that compliments their teammates while playing within the coach's system. And to me, that's just as exciting to watch and appreciate as seeing a naturally gifted athlete that isn't always giving 100% and thinking of the good of the team.

MaAggie, where do you get your facts about Rowan players not even being enrolled in classes.  I can tell you that you are so far from the truth with that statement it is not even funny.  Unless you have some hard facts you should not throw accusations around like that.  The NJAC would have come down on Rowan for that and Rowan would have forfeited a lot of wins if that was the case.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2008, 01:25:07 PM
Come on now, that's a ridiculous assertion, MaAggie. Spare us.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 09, 2008, 04:40:09 PM
I believe maAggie has used a poor choice of words in describing the "attendance" of some former Rowan players in classes. I am sure that Coach Keeler had all of his players enrolled in school. We will discuss the post and I am sure that a clarification will be made. We both are very close to the Rowan program and have known quite a few former players and coaches. Coach Keeler is a very successful coach as was Coach Mangus at Del Val. Their records speak for themselves and let's just leave it at that. They both viewed winning as paramount and both pushed the envelope in reaching their goals. Nothing wrong with that as ever coach should always be looking for that little edge to put their team over the top. That's what seperates winners from losers.....preperation!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 10, 2008, 06:10:18 AM
MAC prediction time: Had three of four right last weekend so taking another shot at this....... remember, for amusement only!

FDU 21 - Wilkes 20
Would be a complete shocker in previous years but the MAC is moving towards parity lately. Home field gives FDU the edge.

Kings 24 - Widener 21
Widener due for a break out game but long bus ride and improved Kings team stands in the way. Could be a real nailbiter.

Lycoming 24 - Albright 22
Yet another close battle with Lyco making a real statement that they are for real this year. Could go down to who has the ball last in this one.

Del Val 31 - Leb Val 21
The Aggies must control Parker who ran roughshod through the Wilkes defense last week. They should be able to put enough points on the board to come away with the win if they protect the ball against a much improved opponent.

Let's see your picks,,,, GO AGGIES!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 10, 2008, 08:31:37 AM
Quote from: KingSting999 on October 10, 2008, 06:10:18 AM
MAC prediction time: Had three of four right last weekend so taking another shot at this....... remember, for amusement only!

FDU 21 - Wilkes 20
Would be a complete shocker in previous years but the MAC is moving towards parity lately. Home field gives FDU the edge.

Kings 24 - Widener 21
Widener due for a break out game but long bus ride and improved Kings team stands in the way. Could be a real nailbiter.

Lycoming 24 - Albright 22
Yet another close battle with Lyco making a real statement that they are for real this year. Could go down to who has the ball last in this one.

Del Val 31 - Leb Val 21
The Aggies must control Parker who ran roughshod through the Wilkes defense last week. They should be able to put enough points on the board to come away with the win if they protect the ball against a much improved opponent.

Let's see your picks,,,, GO AGGIES!!!!!

gotta go w/

widener 21 kings 10....almost believe it or not a must win for widener as whoever wins the mac this year will likely have 0 or 1 loss imho. if widener were to have 2 losses and still not playing dvc or albright yet would put them in a very difficult position.

Albright 24 Lyco 17....some of the lustre comes off Lyco's star this week. Albright is a very good team and well coached. Lyco needs another good recruiting year as Albright has too much talent on their team and beats a scrappy Lyco team.

DVC 28    Leb Val 14....DVC has too much offense for leb val and dvc's defense makes some nice stands to hold back Parker. For sure Parker will have his moments and have a nice game but not a great game. Isgro throws for 2 tds and dvc pounds the ball late in the game and rushes for 2 tds
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 10, 2008, 04:33:22 PM
PBR- No Wilkes prediction this week? I'd be curious to hear your take on this one, as I have learned from my time at Wilkes that the players on the roster from NJ probably get more excited for this game than many others on the schedule, esp. with the game being in Jersey this season.

KingSting- After seeing the Colonels last weekend, I can't argue against you picking them. But just one thing- if that 21-20 score comes due to a missed PAT from Wilkes, you may want to re-think that pick. While several aspects of the game have been lacking at Ralston Field this season, Wilkes dose have a fantastic freshman kicker who has been a real asset to date. Last season missed PATs directly cost us the chance to win two of our first three games, and this year that problem is fixed for the Colonels.

Best wishes to everyone on your weekend- I'll be back here covering some HS games for a newspaper where I am currently a freelance correspondent, so I can't make the trip to Madison. Have fun, safe travels, and we'll see you all after the action :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 10, 2008, 11:24:48 PM
Programming note...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Lebanon Valley

It's homecoming and a big game as the Flying Dutchmen (3-1, 1-0 MAC) led by Charlie Parker take on Mike Isgro and the Aggies (3-1, 1-0 MAC).

If you can't be there, click here (http://d3sports.prestosports.com/links/bcmxqm) to listen.  Pregame coverage starts at 12:40 pm and kickoff at 1 pm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 11, 2008, 05:39:41 PM
Warriors win, again.  They now have more wins than their total from last year - not too shabby for a first year coach and after all the legitimate emotion about the change of head coaches.

What were the picked to finish in the MAC - fifth?  That is why the games are played.

Congrats to Coach Clark and the boys from Williamsport - great to see a class program resurgent.

The MAC is always a tough place to play and this year is no exception.  I see a true collision shaping up between Del Val and the Warriors.  It is such a pity that kid Isgro plays for them since both his father and uncle attended Lycoming - one a standout O lineman and the other a hard-nosed wrestler. 

While the apple does not fall far from the tree it is a shame it didn't roll up the Susquehanna.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 13, 2008, 08:35:42 AM
congrats to dvc on another big win. taking care of bizness 1 game at a time. good luck against fdu this week. how a team wins and takes care of business and yet drops in the top25 poll is beyond pbr but go figure...granted they didnt blow leb val out 42-7 but come one already voters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2008, 10:43:03 AM
They fell because they got passed by someone who had a more impressive week. The thing about rankings is that if someone rises, someone else must fall.

Delaware Valley got the exact same number of votes in both polls, coincidentally enough. But Cortland State had a good week itself and passed them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 13, 2008, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2008, 10:43:03 AM
They fell because they got passed by someone who had a more impressive week. The thing about rankings is that if someone rises, someone else must fall.

Delaware Valley got the exact same number of votes in both polls, coincidentally enough. But Cortland State had a good week itself and passed them.

totally see the point...my thinking/feeling (not saying pbr is right here) a team shouldnt necessarily be jumped when you win a game by almost 2 tds. if dvc or anyteam would of won the game by a point on a last second fg for example one could see the rationale for losing some votes but when you beat who your supposed to beat by almost 2 tds pbr doesnt think a team should fall in the rankings (guess pbr is sensitive in that he is a big fan of joe pa and joe doesnt traditionally run up the score and it cost him a championship in '94 by being a nice guy)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 14, 2008, 07:47:24 PM
Wow......... this MAC board is DEAD!!!!!

What happened to all of the lively banter that used to go on here?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 14, 2008, 08:45:11 PM
KingSting,

Good to hear someone is in the talking spirit!! I have been tied up with some work for grad school and some freelance writing articles for a local paper I do some work for, hence my absence form these parts recently.

My congrats to the Colonels on their first win of the season this weekend- the streak of wins over FDU continues for another year! Other good wins around the conference- Lyco appears to be on a good path, and I'll see them play this weekend at Ralston Field- if the Colonels keep up the momentum, it could be one very good game.

On another note, a friend of mine was at King's this weekend for their game with Widener, and told me about a homespun newsletter/flyer being passed around the Widener stands that was critical of the team's recent performance. He diden't get to take a look at it for long, as other people around wanted a look at his copy, but apparently the document pointed out some statistical areas where the Pride are lagging behind other MAC teams at the moment, and was critical of the performance of the coaching staff a bit. 

Can anyone offer any feedback on this? I don't ever remember seeing anything like that in the four games we played with Widener when I was at Wilkes, and if someone dose have a copy I would be curious to get your take on whatever it says.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 15, 2008, 07:10:33 AM
G-Man,

Good to see that everyone hasn't given up posting on this board! Nice to see Wilkes get their first win of the season even though I had picked FDU in an upset. Couple of questions about FDU. It looks like they have a descent passing game this year, what kind of player is the QB and have they upgraded the visitor seating yet? Beautiful field great home stands last time I was there.

The Widener "homespun letter" sounds dangerous to me. You would have thought that things like this would be left behind in little league and pop warner. No place for any parent or fan to try and start this kind of trouble. It can only bring the team down in the end and cause all kind of dissention between palyers and fans alike.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 15, 2008, 07:16:39 AM
Another weekend of competitive MAC football coming up. Only went 2 and 2 last week in my picks. Let's have some picks and thoughts on these games!

Lyco at Wilkes
Kings at Albright
Widener at Leb Vall
Del Val at FDU

Will be another tough week to pick four winners out of this group of games!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: old ends on October 15, 2008, 07:27:30 PM
Regional  rankings are out for ECAC;

Click here: http://www.ecacsports.com/landing/index (http://www.ecacsports.com/landing/index)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2008, 08:12:16 PM
That's the Lambert Poll, not the regional rankings.  The NCAA will release the first rankings later in the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 15, 2008, 10:20:29 PM
KingSting

Yes, FDU has new visitor bleachers which should be fine (unless you bring more than 500 fans to the game :)

FDU's QB (Winters) is a vary talented athlete, offering match up problems with many teams, because he can throw the ball as well as run effectively....

This is no surprise to anyone who has followed FDU this year, but their biggest problem - by far - is special teams. I think FDU has allowed something like 9 special teams TD's this year  :o

Here's hoping for a well played game - with no injuries!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 15, 2008, 11:24:12 PM
Bill,

Thanks for the update on FDU.  Last time we visited there we had to sit on the home side due to the bleacher situation. Nice to hear that that issue was rectified.

By looking at their stats it looks like FDU has a pretty balanced attack with a much improved passing game in place. They could prove very troublesome for the Aggies. The Aggies have been very good this year at keeping the games managable until half time and making the necessary adjustments to counter the opponents strengths. The defense has done a much netter job, at least statistically, in the second half of all of their games so far.

I felt very uncomfortable with last weeks game and really did not breath easy until they went up two scores in the 4th quarter. Hoping for a sharper effort on both sides of the ball against FDU. If the Aggies can avoid turning the ball over and can overcome some nagging injuries they can come out of North Jersey with another W. It won't be easy, but no game will be a walk over this season for anyone. The days of 28 - 3 scores in the MAC seem to be a thing of the past!

GO AGGIES!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 15, 2008, 11:35:31 PM
KingSting, good to hear from you. Indeed I was happy with the Wilkes win, and in the meantime your Aggies are rolling along. Another good season in the MAC it is indeed shaping up to be.

Regarding the Widener newsletter, I would be very curious to see if any of the Widener regulars on this board could provide some insight or feedback and perhaps giving us a clearer picture of the document. My friend is not a fan or either King's or Widener, but rather just a local sports fan out for the day to see a good game. He was sitting on the Widener sideline, and while his word is reliable, he gave the document to a person sititng near him who had an apparent keen interest in seeing it after only getting a quick look. As a result, I have few details- can anyone out there fill in the blanks on this one?

I honestly don't know anyone at Widener on a personal basis, but Coach Wood and his staff have won consistently for the duration of his tenure there- they now have the Keystone Cup back in Chester and still recruit very well. During my years of working with Coach Shep and the program at Wilkes, one of the many lessons I learned was that it takes a great deal of sacrifice and tireless hard work from the head coach and his staff to win on the basis that Widener, DVC, and Wilkes have in the past 5-6 years, and the Widener staff is no doubt putitng in those hours.

I honestly hope the document my friend saw was a positive report on the team's progress this season, because there is no reason for parents and boosters to offer a negative-themed critique on their team's statistical performances. First and foremost, all of the kids on both sides are students first, and athletes (or, in my case, cameramen :)) second. No matter what team you support, keep the comments positive, and enjoy the great experience that is MAC and D3 football.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 15, 2008, 11:43:42 PM
Bill- Due to my work schedule, I was unable to make it out to Madison last weekend for the Wilkes-FDU game. A big disappointment for me, as many of your co-workers are among the finest and most cooperative staff that I know in the MAC. I know both Coach Mosca and Mr. Ashby quite well, and will do my best to make the trip out to see them and hopefully meet up with you when Wilkes comes out for basketball later this season.

And for any of you Widener fans, I should note that while I don't know anyone at the school right now, I did have the pleasure of working with both Jim Jones and Tyreak Saviour over the last few seasons when they were playing for the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Pioneers Arena2 football team. Both guys were very good to deal with and played very well. For fans of other MAC teams, we also had Jason Acquaye from Wilkes making an impact at multiple positions  this year, and if I am correct he has recieved an AFL training camp invite from one of the florida-based AFL squads. I believe King's alum Bob Roper was also on the roster but spent the season on IR- my best wishes to him on a continued recovery.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 16, 2008, 04:05:03 PM
Okay fellow MAC Fans, it's time for my weekly picks..........remember they are for amusement only and just my humble opinion of what I believe may happen this weekeend.

Albright 27 - Kings 14

Look for Albright to bounce back after a tough loss last week to Lycoming. Kings had a couple of tough losses at home these past two weks and have to travel to Albright which does't help their chances. Albright can't afford another loss in conference so they will be playing for their MAC lives which gives them the edge.

Leb Val 16 - Widener 14

Home field advantage once again will be the deciding factor in this game. Widener should be able to keep it close and possibly pull out the win at the end but if they get into a scoring battles with LV it could be over by the 4th qtr. Widener is a proud group with a winning tradition but (as reported on this board) there may be a little dissention in the ranks and that can only spell trouble in the long run!

Wilkes 23 - Lyco 21

Wilkes pulls off the shocker of the week with a gritty performance at home. Their kicker knocks through three FG's which will spell the differece in the game and Wilkes defense will do just enough to pull out the win. Lyco will be tested from start to finish. This will be a true barometer of just where Lyco stands. Winning on the road in hostile territory will be tough.

Del Val 28 - FDU 17

The Aggies are a little knicked up and will need to pull out all the stops to get by a gritty, much improved FDU squad. Looking for the Aggies to start firing on all cylinders as they close in on the half way mark of confernce play. FDU QB will test the Aggie defense with his throwing ability. Here's hoping the Aggies can keep enough pressure on him to keep him from getting in a good rhythm and making the game a real barn burner!

As always, here's hoping all the MAC games are played injury free and let the cards fall where they may!!!!   

GO AGGGGGGGGIES!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 16, 2008, 09:20:54 PM
G-manWu & KingSting

I am sorry for not posting sooner regarding your questions concerning the "underground Newsletter" be past in the stands at the Widener game this past weekend. I have been traveling on business much more this season and it is really cutting into my posting opportunities. I have however been able to see the majority of Widener's games due to the fact I am home on weekends.

To answer your questions concerning the "Widener Underground Newsletter". It has actually been in existence since the early 1990's when Cubit was still coaching at WU. It is simply a weekly news letter that is written by a loyal fan that has followed the program for a long time. He is actually not connect to the program in any other way. He produces the letter as a weekly wrap up to the previous game and to highlight the up coming contest. It is usually very entertaining and includes some humor. It is true that on occasion it can be critical off different aspects of the previous performance, as it was last week, and should have been after the bad performance against LYCO. However, he is entitled to his opinion. Furthermore, it is my understanding that the coaches actually are aware of it and even read it most weeks. Please believe me more is being made of this then needs to be.

As for an dissention among the team I can honestly assure you that is not taking place. I still have a few of my old coaches on the staff, and know first hand the type of motivators and coaches that they are. They are extremely committed to the program and each player in it. The players have always believed in these men and are firmly committed to keeping the WU tradition alive. According to what I saw from the stands on Saturday the team is still very motivated to be successful. 

    It is true that WU has struggled early offensively but a lot of that can be attributed to not being able to throw the football. They are going through some growing pains right now at the QB position but they have a lot of talent on both sides of the football. Offensively, the O line and skilled kids are very good and if the QB position can come along they will very good and difficult to defend.  Defensively, except for the second half against Wesley when they wore down they have been very impressive. They limited kings to around 35 yards rushing on 30 some carries. Furthermore, they are young with only 2 senior, 2 juniors and 7 sophomores starters. 

Widener may lose some games this season because youth in certain areas, and in some cases (Wesley) better talent. However, dissention or any lack of character from the players or coaches will not be an issue. I know that a few coaches on that staff would never let that happen.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 16, 2008, 10:44:01 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 15, 2008, 08:12:16 PM
That's the Lambert Poll, not the regional rankings.  The NCAA will release the first rankings later in the season.

Gordon

Have you noticed that the ECAC  is giving more attention to the southern schools these days?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 16, 2008, 11:32:31 PM
In what way? That would be a first in my knowledge. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 16, 2008, 11:43:21 PM
WUDLINE,

Good to hear from you, and I am very happy to hear that the newsletter we are discussing is both a regular feature and a positive outlet of information. As I said, my friend- who is also just a local sports fan here in NEPA- only got a glimpse of the document and had never seen one before, so thank you very much for the clarification. Also, my full credit to the gentleman who produces the document- it is great to hear of fans in the local community who follow the team in such a supportive manner over an extended period of time.

As for dissent among the players/staff, I would never suspect anything of the sort at Widener this season. A tough loss last weekend for sure, but the Pion...er, Pride always have a very talented team and are still very much in MAC title contention. In the 4 games we played against them when I was working with Wilkes, they were all hard-fought contests that went down to the last few posessions, and no doubt this season's Widener club has plenty of that same spirit.

KingSting, I like the Wilkes pick- I haven't seen Lyco yet but if the Colonels can run the ball again, they have a chance to do something this week. My best to everyone on a fun weekend of football- stay safe and enjoy the fall colors if you're on the road :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 17, 2008, 12:07:29 AM
WUDLINE

Thanks for clearing up the newsletter thing. Perhaps I was reading more into it than meets the eye, I certainly hope so for the team's sake. Looking forward to the Keystone Cup game later in the season. No matter what the records of the teams they aalways put on a "slobber knocker" of a game!

GO AGGIES !!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 17, 2008, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: KingSting999 on October 15, 2008, 07:16:39 AM
Another weekend of competitive MAC football coming up. Only went 2 and 2 last week in my picks. Let's have some picks and thoughts on these games!

Lyco at Wilkes
Kings at Albright
Widener at Leb Vall
Del Val at FDU

Will be another tough week to pick four winners out of this group of games!

lyco vs. wilkes  also have to go w/ the upset here. one figures lyco has to stub their toe at some point and this may be it. wilkes has struggled at times this year and this is their chance to make some noise in the mac and take it to lyco. wilkes wins a close game 21-20

kings vs. albright    not much to say about this game imho. kings is having a down year and albright has way too much for them to handle. albright wins going away 28-7.

widener vs. leb val    interesting game on several different levels. leb val coming off a tough game vs. dvc. and widener coming off a less then stellar showing against kings. a game both teams must win to have any chance at the mac championship. something tells me this will be close right down to the end but widener pulls it out 21-17.

dvc vs. fdu     normally would say dvc would win this game rather handily. but fdu is improving and has looked good at times this year. add in the fact that dvc is dinged up a little bit and coming off a tough leb val team last week and this game will be a little closer than some might be inclined to predict. dvc wins it 24-13.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 17, 2008, 09:52:14 PM
QuoteHave you noticed that the ECAC  is giving more attention to the southern schools these days

Do you mean in the Lambert poll, which the ECAC administers?  The poll only looks at teams in New York, New Jersey, New England and Pennsylvania plus teams in bordering states (DE, MD, WV, VA, DC) that play half of their games against teams from the core region.  Practically, that means the poll doesn't look much farther south than Salisbury.

If you mean "are south region teams like Muhlenberg, Wesley and Salisbury getting more respect in the poll," I'm not sure.  Maybe those teams are getting more votes, but that could be a reflection of those teams' post season success.   

The poll used to show which teams outside the Top 10 received votes, which often included unusual selections from the NESCAC or NEFC.  That led me to believe the New England region was well represented, but perhaps the geographic representation of the voting body has changed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 17, 2008, 09:59:12 PM
Programming alert...

FDU-Florham (2-3, 0-2)
vs.
Delaware Valley (4-1, 2-0)

The Aggies will try to get past Bill Winters and the Devils to keep their unblemished Division III record in tact.  FDU-Florham has been in every game this year, so don't let the conference records fool you.

If you can't make it to Madison, click here to listen (http://d3sports.prestosports.com/links/bcmxqm) to the game starting at 1 pm with pregame coverage at 12:40 pm.

Please note the audio link does not work until the broadcast is on the air with the pregame show. The broadcasts also requires Windows Media Player 9.0 or later on your computer.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 18, 2008, 04:41:29 PM
This afternoon in Annville: LVC 20, Widener 13 OT.

I'm a bit confused. Was this game not as close as it looked, or was it too close for comfort?

The Dutchmen ran up 269 yards rushing, The Pride a grand total of 10 [when was the last time Widener had a game with such a paltry total on the ground?].

Widener had 10 first downs, LVC 23.

And yet ... the game went to overtime.

Are the times out of joint?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 18, 2008, 04:48:01 PM
The times are surely out of joint: both Delaware Valley and Lycoming went down today. (On the other hand, one could say that this was merely another normal Saturday in the MAC.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 18, 2008, 07:26:40 PM
the DVC and Lyco losses def make things interesting now in the MAC. Albright coming out of nowhere to take the lead? i cant wait to see how this plays out, and i really cant wait for the DVC-Lyco game this sat. is it safe to say that the loser is out?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 18, 2008, 08:17:47 PM
Warren,

I'll help you try to understand the LVC vs. Widener game, because it was hard enough for me to watch and make sense of it.  LVC dominated in almost all facets of the game except for one... red zone offense.  They were a woeful 2 for 7 inside the red zone, with the two scores inside the red zone being field goals and the misses being two missed field goals, two turnovers, and a turnover on downs.  Still, the Dutchmen defense had held the Pride to a total of 88 yards in the game with less than two minutes left to go in the game when Widener got the ball at their own 13 yard line.  They proceeded to send the game into overtime with an 87 yard TD drive.  In the past, that would have been the end of LVC.  But this year's team is different, converting a 4th and 15 in OT on their way to the go-ahead touchdown.  Then on a 4th and 3 at the 6, the D held Widener a half yard shy for the win.

On the plus side for Widener, they may have found a QB (freshmen who played the second half and did pretty well).  But this loss MAY knock them out of the MAC title hunt.  LVC, on the other hand, lost Charlie Parker today to a shoulder injury, but found a way to win a game they tried to give away.  Big step forward for the program and still very much in the hunt for the conference title.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on October 18, 2008, 08:51:05 PM
Nice analysis BAK. Seems it was amazing that Widener was even in  a position to steal the game at the end. From what I have seen of Widener, their O is weak (especially the run game), as is their secondary. Missing a few key guys on both sides of the ball, but ya have to have some depth to survive the injury bug. Kudos to LVC for turning things around and having a nice season. Great group of coaches over there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2008, 09:45:41 PM
Welcome to the board, new posters!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 18, 2008, 10:38:57 PM
Warren-
Let me try to provide a little different take on todays game. First let me congratulate the LVC team and coaches on a great win. I thought was an extremely physical game.  LVC racked up 200 yards rushing in the first half with over 110 yards of it coming on two carries. A 47 yard run by Parker on the first series and a 62 yard TD run on a fourth and 1 when there back up TB split what looked like a short yardage defense and went the distance. I  agree with BAK4LVC, LVC's red zone struggles enabled Widener to stay in the game. However, I will disagree with WU_joker, look at their previous games and you will see the Widener O is usually very good at running the football.  The Widener O struggled to move the ball in the first half simply because LVC had a good defensive game plan. They packed 8 in the box to stop the run and dared Widener to throw the football. Wideners QB's have struggled to throw all season long and it caught up to them in the first half today.

In the second half both defenses played very well. The Widener defense returned to form, holding LVC to 60 yards rushing and forcing numerous turnovers. The LVC defense continued to stack the box and stop the WU ground game. However, the QB switch for Widener enabled them to begin to move the ball in the air, with Humes throwing for 160 yards in the second half.

It was the first appearance of any air attack for Widener that I have seen this season. Hopefully, this is a sign of some good things to come for the Widener O. They have some very talented young receivers and they may have found a way to get them the football.

Again, congrats to LVC on a great win. Hopefully, Parker can return next week he is a good back and deserves to be a part of such a good season for the dutchmen.

Another crazy week in the MAC. It looks to me like the whole league, and a ncaa playoff berth is completely up for grabs. Good luck to all. It should be a hell of a ride down the stretch.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on October 19, 2008, 12:40:02 AM
Thanks for the welcome, Pat.

WUDLINE - 3.3 yds a carry isn't terrible, but certainly nothing to brag about. As far as the LVC gameplan surrounding stopping the run goes - part of the reason it was successful, was the LVC coaches ability to plot against such and exploit a weakness. Unfortunately, other team's D schemes are part of the whole equation and it is up to the coaches to counter and the players to execute. So, with that said, I still stand by my earlier point, also bearing in mind that Widener's best run game you spoke of came against the weakest team in the league, at this point. Take that game out and the numbers are obviously worse.

The O simply needs to step it up in both areas. With an unstable QB situation, you can't rely on getting things done in the air. So, it's imperative the run game steps up to ease the transition with the passing game.

The D has played relatively well, although breakdowns in the secondary have cost them (e.g. 2 big plays in OT today). Hopefully, things can turn around soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 19, 2008, 01:43:14 AM
First and foremost...... Congratulations to FDU on beating the Aggies today. You earned it from start to finish as you outplayed them on both sides of the ball. The Aggies fell short on pass protection, tackling, catching passes, ball protection, time of possession and just about were outplayed in every facet of the game. These things happen all of the time on football. Often an underdog will reach down and come up with a stellar performance and get the job done. The Devil's deserve a pat on the back for coming up with a game plan that frustrated the Aggies all day long. I do believe that the Aggies had them outmanned on paper but as you can see, they don't play these games on paper. Hopefully they can get back on track and right the ship before the next game.

I stated earlier in a post that parity has arrived in the MAC and no score will surprise me the rest of the year/ In fact, it would not surprise me to see the MAC Champion have two losses by the end of the season. It seemed that the Aggies never really found a comfort zone during the game today and just seemed a step behind in every aspect of the game. Sometimes a loss like this is just what is needed to get the team reficused for the stretch drive. It will be very interesting to see how the Aggies bounce back from todays effort.

After looking at the final four games for the five teams that are 2 and 1 ( DVC, Albright, LVC, Lyco and Wilkes) it would seem that only Del Val has their destiny still in their own hands by winning out. They would be 6 - 1 and all others would have at least 2 losses except for the possibility of Leb Val winning out and having a 6 - 1 record also but Del Val beat them head to head.  The other four teams could win out for 6 - 1 records but the tie breakers would no be as clear as in the Del Val scenerio with other teams going 6 - 1. This is in no way to say that Widener or FDU are eliminated at this point. They could either run the table and be right in the thick of things.

I would say that if you have a rooting interest in a MAC team, you better tighten your seat belt because it's going to be a bumpy ride and I'm guessing it will come down to the last week of the season to crown the champ. There's going to be a lot of ups and downs between now and that time so strap your helmets on and root your favorite team home to the finish!!!!

Oh yeah, I forgot..... GO AGGIES!!!!! I still love ya!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 19, 2008, 05:08:43 AM
KS,

I am not sure about the accuracy and veracity of your analysis.  My assessment is that if Lyco beats Del Val they are in the driver's seat and there will be no need for tie-breakers, elaborate or otherwise.

The current scramble in the conference again points out the futility of pre-season polls, picks, prognostications as reliable.

While I am in Japan and cannot attend these games I would sure love to be in Williamsport for Saturday's game.

The Warriors were far too generous with the pigskin, turning it over five times today, including an alleged, mid-air, goal-line fumble that I bet instant replay would overturn.  Hard to beat an opponent when you let the air out of your offense five times and get nothing in return.

Saturday should be interesting - both teams have plenty of motivation after losing this week.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 19, 2008, 10:43:15 AM
Lyco80

If Lyco beats DVC they could win out and be 6 - 1. However, if Wilkes would win out also, they would be 6 - 1 and hold a win over Lyco which I believe would make Wilkes the MAC champ. I believe my assessment of the situation is pretty accurate if you take the remaining schedule and do the math.

As of this week, I believe, that DVC is the only team that can take the MAC title for sure by winning out. All other teams could still be tied if certain scenarios play out. Winning out for any team in the conference is going to be a tall order, especially for DVC and Albright who have to play all of the remaining 2 - 1 teams.

The situation may become much clearer after next weekends contests or it could become that much more complicated. This year no team is safe from being upset and at no time is any lead safe in any game. It's going to make for aome interesting football for all of the MAC fans. As stated before, the champ may very well have two losses when the dust settles!

I in no way meant to say that anyone is any better or worst than any other team, just that at this time DVC truly controls their own destiny where as others may need help as of this week. If I am wrong I will gladly retract my statement and admit the errorm but I believ that it is accurate.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 19, 2008, 04:37:29 PM
KS99,

I guess my incredulity about this scenario is seeing that Wilkes has four losses, granted only one in the MAC, how are they going to "win out" against what appears to be very stiff and even competition in conference?

I cede your point but think it unlikely a team with their won-loss record can accomplish such a feat.

Good posts and nice chat - thanks for a positive and upbeat tone.  Sometimes you just do not get that on here despite Pat's ever-watchful eye.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2008, 06:10:11 PM
I think if you look at who Wilkes has lost too and by how much, it's not outlandish that the Colonels could run the table.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 19, 2008, 07:09:01 PM
is it safe to say that the loser of the DVC-Lyco game is out of MAC contention?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 19, 2008, 08:09:25 PM
It would certainly not bode well for the loser but a loss does not eliminate either at this point. The loser would need a lot of help from other teams as well as running the table after that but definately eli,imated, no.

I honestly feel that no team can look past any of their opponents. Anyone, and I do mean anyone, can beat another MAC team this season at anytime.  The look past factor I believe played a factor in bith Lyco and DVC performances this past Saturday. I believe that they were both maybe looking past their opponent and at their showdown this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 19, 2008, 08:33:25 PM
No matter who loses the DVC vs. Lyco game, there are enough land mines out there for the winner and the other teams with one loss to conceivably think that they could all lose again.  I'd say DVC's path would be tougher, with Widener, At Wilkes, and finishing with Albright.  Lyco only has one other team left in the five way tie (LVC at home to end the season), but FDU proved that they are no slouches at home.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 19, 2008, 10:59:01 PM
so who wins the MAC? whats everyone think now that weve had a huge shakeup here. i think that it will come down to Albright and DVC in the finale
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 20, 2008, 08:37:09 AM
congrats to fdu well done...pbr couldnt make or listen to the game but has read many recaps on the game and fdu's win was well deserved by the sounds of it. the mac is WIDE open from here on out. going to be a lot of fun the next couple of weeks....and HUGE game this weekend in williamsport. especially since it holds bragging rights as pbr's sister and cousins graduated from lyco so for turkey day in just over a month pbr truly hopes dvc takes care of business!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 20, 2008, 02:34:34 PM
As for winning the MAC, I still have to give the edge to Delaware Valley.  I still think they are the most complete team, and unless Isgro isn't 100% (I know he got tweaked against LVC and statistically didn't look right against FDU), he gives them an edge, much like Matt Campbell did for Widener last year.  I had Albright at the beginning of the season, but they just don't seem right offensively.  Where is the explosiveness of a year ago?  Alston (their return man) has become their biggest weapon.  I'm not sure what to think of Lycoming yet, but their toughest two games (on paper) are both at home.  I just don't see them beating DVC.  I just can't see Wilkes running the remaining slate, and in what I saw when LVC played them, I was far from impressed.  LVC has a shot with a road game at King's before home games with Albright and FDU (all winnable), then ending at Lycoming.  They will have to show me they can finish games off, which they haven't shown yet. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 20, 2008, 10:49:46 PM
First, hats off to the LVC and FDU fanbases on some very good wins this weeekend- first time LVC has beaten Widener since the infamous 3-0 game in the downpour back in '04. On the same hand, Widener and DVC are far from out of contention, and the game in Williamsport this weekend will indeed be a great matchup.

Turning to the game in Edwardsville this past weekend, the Colonels put together a solid overall ballgame in knocking off the Warriors for the third time in the last 4 matchups. Lycoming did dominate early, with Dwyer getting all day to throw and moving the ball on big pass plays over the middle. As the game went on, however, the Lyco offense sputtered with some drops and incompletions that could have kept the game in their court. On the other side of the ball, Wilkes managed to get some production out of the running game and found some offensive balance that should serve them well in the weeks to come. Also, it was great for fans and staff on both sides to see both Coach Girardi and Rob Curry in the stands at Ralston Field- both men command tremendous respect among Coach Shep and the Wilkes staff.

In terms of weak points, if Wilkes is going to win any more games, the D-line MUST get more pressure on the QB- no offense to the Lyco O-line on a job well done, but if the Wilkes front four dosen't kick it into gear this week, Kelly and Roming will cut the defense to ribbons on the turf in Reading.

Lyco80- First, I don't know if you read one of my earlier posts, but my credit to you for your outstanding military service. As I said in that post, I have never served in the military, but did gain a deep appreciation for all of the armed services from my years in the USNSCC (a program you must be familliar with) when I was younger.

In terms of the fumble, I was at the game and while the play was not right in front of me, the ball did pop out when the RB met the defenders going over the pile. After the game, some of the Wilkes players credited the play to game-planning and scouting of the move- Coach Shep always dose a great job of pointing out the opportunities to rip or punch out the ball during the week, and that was a prime spot to force a turnover.

I don't know if any of the Lyco faithful were looking ahead to this week and forgetting about one-win Wilkes, but the Colonels never quit when times get tough. In terms of the non-conference schedule, Wilkes has played three quality opponents in Muhlenburg, Montclair State and CNU- while I don't know if Wilkes can run the table, I know that they aren't going to roll over for anyone as the season gose on.

On a final note, I must point out that of the five Lycoming interceptions, three were picked off by second-year defensive back Kevin Gerhart. Last season, Kevin suffered a severe foot injury in the season finale against Widener that placed his playing career in doubt, but he has stormed back to pick up  exactly where he left off. Every D3 team has at least a handful of players who have overcome difficult injuries and circumstances to succede on the field and in the classroom, and a saturday was a great example of one such student-athlete completing a fantastic comeback.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on October 21, 2008, 02:11:41 PM
Question for FDU or Del Val fans.  The game between these two teams was originally scheduled for a Friday night at 7PM.  Any idea why it was switched to a Saturday afternoon?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 21, 2008, 03:13:16 PM
D3FB fan

The game was going to be played on Friday night (we get a WAY bigger turnout for games then), and Del Val's AD was OK with this (there still are some teams that won't play Fri nights). However, The Del Val head coach was not in favor of this - he refused to play us on Friday night. I have to say I'm now glad that he did so! :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 21, 2008, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: bill on October 21, 2008, 03:13:16 PM
D3FB fan

The game was going to be played on Friday night (we get a WAY bigger turnout for games then), and Del Val's AD was OK with this (there still are some teams that won't play Fri nights). However, The Del Val head coach was not in favor of this - he refused to play us on Friday night. I have to say I'm now glad that he did so! :D

Any idea why the DVC coach put the kibosh on a Friday night game v. FDU?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 21, 2008, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 21, 2008, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: bill on October 21, 2008, 03:13:16 PM
D3FB fan

The game was going to be played on Friday night (we get a WAY bigger turnout for games then), and Del Val's AD was OK with this (there still are some teams that won't play Fri nights). However, The Del Val head coach was not in favor of this - he refused to play us on Friday night. I have to say I'm now glad that he did so! :D

Any idea why the DVC coach put the kibosh on a Friday night game v. FDU?

The drive to and from Florham Park on a friday, especially the drive there would be a nightmare.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 21, 2008, 06:26:06 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on October 21, 2008, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 21, 2008, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: bill on October 21, 2008, 03:13:16 PM
D3FB fan

The game was going to be played on Friday night (we get a WAY bigger turnout for games then), and Del Val's AD was OK with this (there still are some teams that won't play Fri nights). However, The Del Val head coach was not in favor of this - he refused to play us on Friday night. I have to say I'm now glad that he did so! :D

Any idea why the DVC coach put the kibosh on a Friday night game v. FDU?

The drive to and from Florham Park on a friday, especially the drive there would be a nightmare.

You don't say ... Friday night traffic in Jersey is bad?  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 21, 2008, 08:28:32 PM
KnightStalker

I've heard the traffic thing used as an excuse before, but I have to call "BS" on that excuse.
Let's take Del Val. If they go Route 202 to Route 287 North, they'll actually be driving away from traffic.

Same with any of the schools that travel on Route 80 or 78 towards FDU.
Is there traffic in NJ? Of course.

That all being said, the reason I say the traffic excuse is ridiculous is the timing. Kickoff on a Friday night game is 7:00. Most coaches - if not all coaches - HAVE to have their team at the venue AT LEAST 2 hours before the game.  That puts a team arriving at FDU at no later than 5:00.  Traffic at 3:00 or 4:00 is nowhere near as bad as it is from 5-7. The team would already be at the field by the time traffic really picks up!

FDU has a big game at Widener Friday night. Game time is at 7:00. We'll probably have to leave no later than 3:00, and we're going to have to travel on Rt 95. Might there be traffic? Yes, but I remain convinced that a Friday night game - in this area or theirs - will allow for a great experience and maximum fan attendance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 21, 2008, 08:49:59 PM
Bill, I was not just speaking of NJ traffic around Florham Park, I was also thinking of getting across the Delaware that time of day.  4 or 5 in the afternoon can be a nightmare especially if on 80 and crossing at the Gap.  I used to make that drive quite often on a Friday afternoon getting back to Jersey City from Wilkes-Barre.  It ain't pretty many nights.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 21, 2008, 10:02:04 PM
Considering the not on Friday night decision came from the head coach, I'm going to spin it this way, based on a couple of conversations I've had in the past with a few head coaches at different levels of football.  Some coaches want as little change as possible in the team's routine.  That means exact practice schedules for each day of the week.  Walk-through is on Friday.  Game day is Saturday.  Any deviance from that routine is considered a major distraction.  Look at a couple of examples recently in the NFL as illustrations.  The Arizona Cardinals had two games on the east coast, so instead of going home and flying back as they normally would do for a road game, they stayed out east.  The Patriots did the same thing for two straight games on the west coast.  Result in the second game for each (the one where the normal routine was altered): a couple of losses by a combined score of 86-45.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 22, 2008, 07:32:53 AM
Maybe, and this is just my opinion, last years DVC / Widener game was played at night and the Aggies lost in what was some of the heaviest rain I have evr seen a game played in. Playing at night under ideal conditions would not be a problem but that was a bit extreme. Cold, pouring rain and artificial lighting do not bode well for a team that likes to throw the ball as did the Aggies. Just mavbe Coach Clements was considering that possible scenario for his team.  I still believ that the Aggies were a better team than the Pride last year and were hampered more by thise conditions than the Widner squad.  Let's just assume he had a good reason and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on October 22, 2008, 08:09:04 AM
Kingsting - Say what you want about playing Friday nights or not, but to come on here and use the weather conditions as an excuse is 'bush league'. Widener was playing under the same conditions and their passing game was also the stronger part of their game.  They were affected also by the conditions.Bottom line, was that Widener was the better team when it counted. To say anything other than that is just excuse making and states you don't know what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 22, 2008, 12:25:33 PM
Yo Joker,

Lighten up. I wasn't making excuses for the Aggies performance. Widener won the game on the field and thus earned the W. I was just trying to give an example of a possible reason for not wanting to play a night game. I think you would have to admit, it's tough winning on the road in this league, playing under conditions you are not used to only adds to that advantage for the home team, in my humble opinion.

Go ahead and rip me all you want, I am quite comfortable with my knowledge and understanding of DIII football. As stated before, I still believe that Del Val was a better team last year than Widener, just not on that day, I think I am entitled to my opinion!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 22, 2008, 12:31:58 PM
me thinks after reading this coach c is going to have a tough week of practice for the boyz getting ready for lyco...

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/42-10192008-1607719.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on October 22, 2008, 01:41:54 PM
Sting - Of course you are entitled to your opin and I gave mine. The conditions didn't benefit anyone that day. To coin the phrase' your record is what it is' and Widener went undefeated in the conference to earn the title. If Del Val was the better team all year, it shouldn't have even come down to that game. ENough said on that one.
I'd be teh first to tell you that before the season, I thought Del Val should be the favorite and I am still picking them to win it, despite the logjam at the top. Widener is going through some growing pains with many sophs and juniors, but will be back stronger next year. They also have a key injury in the backfield and 2 guys lost in the secondary for the year.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 22, 2008, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 21, 2008, 10:02:04 PM
Considering the not on Friday night decision came from the head coach, I'm going to spin it this way, based on a couple of conversations I've had in the past with a few head coaches at different levels of football.  Some coaches want as little change as possible in the team's routine.  That means exact practice schedules for each day of the week.  Walk-through is on Friday.  Game day is Saturday.  Any deviance from that routine is considered a major distraction.  Look at a couple of examples recently in the NFL as illustrations.  The Arizona Cardinals had two games on the east coast, so instead of going home and flying back as they normally would do for a road game, they stayed out east.  The Patriots did the same thing for two straight games on the west coast.  Result in the second game for each (the one where the normal routine was altered): a couple of losses by a combined score of 86-45.  Just a thought.

I understand the routine thing, but now that Widener, Albright, and FDU have more than adequate lights, Friday nights are becoming more routine than in the past - especially for the "non" overnight game. (ie, FDU vs. Lyco - although Lyco actually played FDU twice on Fri night in the 90's...)
Factor in the numerous NJAC crossover games, and that's a potential for 3-5  Fri. night games a year.
Oh well...

Here's hoping everyone stays healthy this weekend!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 22, 2008, 04:24:49 PM
Quote from: bill on October 22, 2008, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 21, 2008, 10:02:04 PM
Considering the not on Friday night decision came from the head coach, I'm going to spin it this way, based on a couple of conversations I've had in the past with a few head coaches at different levels of football.  Some coaches want as little change as possible in the team's routine.  That means exact practice schedules for each day of the week.  Walk-through is on Friday.  Game day is Saturday.  Any deviance from that routine is considered a major distraction.  Look at a couple of examples recently in the NFL as illustrations.  The Arizona Cardinals had two games on the east coast, so instead of going home and flying back as they normally would do for a road game, they stayed out east.  The Patriots did the same thing for two straight games on the west coast.  Result in the second game for each (the one where the normal routine was altered): a couple of losses by a combined score of 86-45.  Just a thought.

I understand the routine thing, but now that Widener, Albright, and FDU have more than adequate lights, Friday nights are becoming more routine than in the past - especially for the "non" overnight game. (ie, FDU vs. Lyco - although Lyco actually played FDU twice on Fri night in the 90's...)
Factor in the numerous NJAC crossover games, and that's a potential for 3-5  Fri. night games a year.
Oh well...

Here's hoping everyone stays healthy this weekend!

pbr is a traditionalist and friday nights should be for high school football and saturdays college, sundays pro...dont dig this encroaching on each others turf
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 22, 2008, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: WU_Joker on October 22, 2008, 01:41:54 PM
Widener is going through some growing pains with many sophs and juniors, but will be back stronger next year. They also have a key injury in the backfield and 2 guys lost in the secondary for the year.



Joker

Del Val was experiencing the same growing pains you speak of last season. The Aggies did rely mostly on their passing game to move the ball lat year. This season has been a little different with a more balanced attack.

Injuries are part of the game and have an effect on ever team. Last week the Aggies were without two starting O-lineman. Be careful using that as excuse, someone might come on here and call you "bush league" and accuse you of not knowing much about the game! LOL  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 22, 2008, 06:46:03 PM
Okay boys, it's that time again!!!! Let's have your picks for the upcoming weekend. Almost went 4 for 4 last week but the FDU Devils spoiled the party!!!!!

Remember, just for amusement only.

Widener 18 - FDU 16

The Pride get back in the win column by defending their home turf. FDU is flying high with some new confidence aafter knocking off Del Val but might still be celebrating that victory while they travel into hosyile territory. Tough for anybody to win on the Prides home field but I don't think that the Widener offense is potent enough to make it a rout.

Albright 17 - Wilkes 16

Albright still have not found the groove yet this season. Wilkes is improving every game and should keep this a close game. Albright should be able to squeeze out enough points for the victory but it won't be easy.

Kings 21 - Leb Val 20

Okay say it, I'm nuts! Just a feeling that Kings comes up with a stellar effort in this one and pulls off the upset. If the game was at Leb Val I wouldn't think it was possible but as the Aggies found out the hard way last Saturday. Anyone in the MAC can be knocked off at anytime.

Del Val 35 - Lyco 31

This one should be an offensive battle with the team with the ball last having the advantage as long as there is time on the clock. Both teams coming off losses and both may have been guilty of looking past last weeks opponents. There will be no such excuse this week for either team. The one who protects the rock and scores in the red zone will win this game. Should be a real "slobber knocker" with both trying to regain the respect that was tarnished last week.

Good Luck to all players and coaches involved this weekend. May you all compete safely and play to the best of your abilities. It should be just another typical day(s) for MAC football. As always......."GO AGGIES!!!"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on October 23, 2008, 08:04:11 AM
Sting - Injuries are part of the game, but have a much deeper affect than the weather. When the weather is bad, it is bad for both teams. Weather doesn't impact who plays and who doesn't.  Being shorthanded will cause you to juggle personnel, game plans and so on. Cute last line, though!  ;D


On to the games:

Widener 14 - FDU 10

Better than touted FDU team keeps it close, but the struggling Widener O has enough to pull this one out


Albright 24 - Wilkes 13

Statement game for Albright, as they pull away late from a tough Wilkes team.


LVC 23 - Kings 17

LVC squeaks out a tough one against a Kings team that is better than their record indicates.


Del Val 34 - Lyco 17

Lyco is improved, but not on a par with DV. In another statement game, DV gets back to form with a convincing win in front of the home folks.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: muledaddy on October 23, 2008, 08:55:24 PM

Mates,
   Wilkes is ready...see Around the nation......Aggies roll...because they are better..bet on these to win..

for fun.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 23, 2008, 09:56:59 PM
I'll give it a go...

Widener 20 FDU-Florham 13 ... I respect what FDU has done this year, but they are a much tougher team at home.  Widener's defense has kept them in games this year while they try to find a QB.  I think they may have found one last week.

Wilkes 16 Albright 14 ... I keep waiting for the Albright offense to break out each week.  It's Week 8 and I'm still waiting.  I respect what Wilkes has done to keep games close, and they are finally finding ways to win them.

Lebanon Valley 28 King's 13 ... Even without Charlie Parker, Dutchmen will win the battle in the trenches on both sides of the ball to control the clock and the game.  Since Jeremiah Jones went off against R-M in week 1, Monarchs have averaged 1.9 yards per rush since.

Delaware Valley 33 Lycoming 14 ... Lyco has been a great story this year, but I don't think their loss to Wilkes last week was a look-ahead issue.  DVC overlooked FDU last week and got caught.  With Isgro (if he's 100%) and Gesswein, the Aggies have the best player on the field at all times in this one.  Just don't see the Warriors having the firepower to keep up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 23, 2008, 09:57:51 PM
If you can't get to the aforementioned showdown in Williamsport...

Lycoming (4-2, 2-1 MAC)
vs.
Delaware Valley (4-2, 2-1 MAC)

Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen.  Pregame coverage begins at 12:40 pm with kickoff at 1 pm.

Please note the audio link will not work until the broadcast is on the air with the pregame show. The broadcasts also requires Windows Media Player 9.0 or later on your computer.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 24, 2008, 01:07:36 AM
Because I still know and am good friends with many of the Wilkes players and coaches, I feel I cannot make a prediction for the Colonels game at Albright this weekend. However, I will give some thoughts in a bit different format by saying....

The Colonels will win if....

The Wilkes D-line pressures the QB

It's a very simple equasion. If Kelly is allowed to stand like a statue in the pocket- as Lyco's Colin Dwyer did last week- he will cut the Wilkes defense to ribbons and the Colonels won't have a chance. If you're looking for a breakout game from any position, the front four of Wilkes is a group that needs it. I know most of those guys and it is a great group of people, but the unit is coming off two rough games- getting trounced by the Dutchmen ground game, then being made a non-factor by the Lyco O-Line in pass rush situations last week.

Looking back to the success we had in 2005/06, Follweiler and the LB corps got most of the attention, and rightfully so. But the D-line was a tremendously important part of that run, and this weekend would be a great time to wake up the memories and shut down the Lions offense up front.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 24, 2008, 01:20:46 AM
Now, while I've bene tied up with a very busy week, we've had a good discussion going on here about Friday night games and the impact of weather on some games in the past few seasons. Please allow me to share a few insights gained from my perch at Ralston Field over the past four years...

KingSting, you know the DVC squad far better than me, but from what I saw of the two teams you mention when we played them last season, DVC and Widener appeared very even in terms of talent, and I have always put both teams in the "pass first" catagory when it comes to offense. I wasen't there in Chester for that Friday night game, but I think if the same game was repeated 10 times in the same conditions, DVC would win 5 and Widener would win 5. Again, just my humble opinion.

From my own experiences, a game I remember fondly for the weather reason was game 2 of our 2005 season. Our team had lost at William Paterson the week before (we were robbed on a punt return call, but still,  no excuses) and Widener was set to roll into town on what turned out to be a bright and sunny Saturday afternoon. I still have the newspaper preview clippings saying that we would have trouble stopping the high-powered Widener pasisng game in good weather, and some of the Widener fans I happened to chat with politley before the game suggested the same.

Well, we shut out the Pioneers, 13-0, that afternoon. Widener would go on to score plenty of points and have a great season that was capped by an ECAC win. But it just gose to show that on most occasions, the weather dosen't always have the impact many people think it will on the final score.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 24, 2008, 08:00:56 AM
alright pbr's picks....here we go..

Widener 21   FDU 10

FDU is good but was sky high for dvc last week and its too tough to get emotionally 2 weeks in a row so widener wins this one. Widener may have finally found a qb and rolls on fdu.

Albright 21  Wilkes 17

A game pbr thinks is a tossup. Giving Albright the win because of playing at home. Wilkes seems to showing signs of solidifying as team and is a little inconsistent still. Albright's solid qb leads them down the field for a late TD to win it.

Leb Val 21  Kings 13

Leb Val has a little too much for kings w/ or w/o parker. Kings seems to be really struggling this year. Leb Val wins this one handily not as close as the score indicates.


Lastly DVC 31 Lyco 21

In a high scoring affair dvc wins this one after a stinging loss last week. This 2 teams just throw punch, counter punch and dvc pulls away in the 4th quarter. Isgro throws for 3 tds and runs for a 4th.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 24, 2008, 12:10:25 PM
Okay, one final not on last year's Widener / Del Val game. Let me just say that I would have liked Del Val's chance last year alot better in a high scoring shootout in ideal conditions better than the defensive struggle that took place in the monsoon under the lights. Widener was better that evening, just would have liked the game a whole lot better in the sunshine. Then again, maybe it's just me being an "old fart" and not liking the sitting out in the elements on these old, tired bones. When we were younger it wouldn't have been a problem! LOL
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 25, 2008, 01:34:20 PM
Transmission gone from Lyco - 7/7 tie at the end of the quarter - Come On Aggies!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 25, 2008, 03:53:35 PM
Lycoming wins 10-7 on Scott Erikson's 18-yard field goal.

The weather and defenses ruled the day (233 yards for both teams), but Lyco's ruled a little more.  Aggies have 21 points in two weeks and it's tough to win that way.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 25, 2008, 03:55:03 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 25, 2008, 03:53:35 PM
Lycoming wins 10-7 on Scott Erikson's 18-yard field goal.

The weather and defenses ruled the day (233 yards for both teams), but Lyco's ruled a little more.  Aggies have 21 points in two weeks and it's tough to win that way.

Another monkey wrench in pool C....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 25, 2008, 04:09:21 PM
what is wrong with the Aggies...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 25, 2008, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: DVCFan11 on October 25, 2008, 04:09:21 PM
what is wrong with the Aggies...

"What is wrong with the Aggies"? Likely nothing except that they compete in the MAC, a conference in which, in recent years, just about anything can happen -- and commonly does, as it did today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on October 25, 2008, 04:21:21 PM
hats off to lyco, they really came to play it seems. now i have to think that albright has the inside track to win right? they just have to win out, which might be easier said then done the way the mac is playing right now
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 25, 2008, 04:36:59 PM
Maybe what was wrong with the Aggies was Lycoming was a better team than folks anticipated.

They lost by a blocked extra point to a resurgent IC squad and gave the ball away five times in their other loss.

I do not understand how Albright has the inside track if they win out - the way I see it that is Lycoming's opportunity.

The last few years this PP has been a DVC love fest and I am pleased beyond words to see Lycoming back in the hunt for the MAC championship as they should be.

They may not win the crown but they are competitive and that is all a true-blue fan and supporter can ever hope for.

All this, I might add, with a new head coach, who came to his position with all sorts of controversy and hard-feelings only six or eight months ago.

Way to go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 25, 2008, 08:17:10 PM
Quotenow i have to think that albright has the inside track to win right?

Lycoming and Lebanon Valley are the two teams that control their own destiny.  If they both win their next two games (including a game for the Flying Dutchmen against Albright), then those two will play for the title in Williamsport in the season finale.

QuoteAnother monkey wrench in pool C....

The Aggies didn't have a great chance at Pool C, even with the win.  If they won out, they would've taken the AQ.  With a loss (like today's), they would have two in Division III and be no better than very, very long shots to make the NCAA playoffs.  It's impossible to project playoff bids without looking at the national picture, but this seems to be another one bid year for the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 25, 2008, 09:02:59 PM
GM,

Concur with your comments.

The remain MAC teams - Albright, LVC, and Lycoming all have three remaining in-conference games.

The in-conference won-loss results of their respective opponents look like this:

Albright -  7 wins - 4 losses

LVC -  6 wins - 6 losses

Lycoming -  4 wins - 8 losses

It appears, if previous results are any worthwhile indicator, that Lycoming has the easier road to the MAC crown.  But, as we all know, the MAC is fickle and week to week any one team can knock off another.  After all, this is not like we are talking about some other D-III conferences where one or two teams always run the table against much weaker competition.

I think it will all come down to what happens in Williamsport the last game of the year and I like the Warriors chances as they are very tough to beat at home.  Plus they have an extra stingy defense and anyone who has been in the stands in Williamsport in November knows how the weather factors into game day.

Go Warriors - hats off to Coach Clark and Coach Wiser for another solid season. 

One last question - where are all those geniuses who picked Lycoming to finish 5th in the preseason poll now?

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2008, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 25, 2008, 09:02:59 PM
One last question - where are all those geniuses who picked Lycoming to finish 5th in the preseason poll now?

They are three points away from being correct.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 25, 2008, 11:14:19 PM
QuoteOne last question - where are all those geniuses who picked Lycoming to finish 5th in the preseason poll now?

I'm no genius, but I picked Lyco sixth.  I was wrong so gloat at your leisure.

Of course I also picked Del Val to do the following:

Beat Iona
Lose to Wesley
Lose to Salisbury
Beat King's
Beat Leb Val
Beat FDU-Florham
Beat Lyco (went back and forth on that one)

Missed it by that much.

Do I at least get credit for picking Lyco to beat Del Val in this week's Triple Take? :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: redswarm81 on October 26, 2008, 01:11:21 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 25, 2008, 11:14:19 PM
QuoteOne last question - where are all those geniuses who picked Lycoming to finish 5th in the preseason poll now?

I'm no genius, but I picked Lyco sixth.  I was wrong so gloat at your leisure.

Of course I also picked Del Val to do the following:

Beat Iona
Lose to Wesley
Lose to Salisbury
Beat King's
Beat Leb Val
Beat FDU-Florham
Beat Lyco (went back and forth on that one)

Missed it by that much.

Do I at least get credit for picking Lyco to beat Del Val in this week's Triple Take? :)

You get credit for quoting the greatest source of pop cultural icons in the last half of the 20th Century.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 26, 2008, 02:02:51 AM
RS,

Don Adams, aka Agent 86, sitcom "Get Smart"

Also known for:  "Would you believe?"

I chuckled out loud.

GM - thanks for the permission to gloat - I bet you can see my smile even from Yokohama!

Pat - what's three points amongst friends?

Nice to see some honest disclosure among the glitterati too.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 26, 2008, 02:12:22 AM
Lyco80:

You're as loyal as they get.  Gloat and enjoy the ride from across the Pacific. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 26, 2008, 08:55:02 AM
yea this MAC might be the best conference from top to bottom in the country...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 26, 2008, 11:24:27 PM
Lyco80,

Congrats to your Warriors- that was a big win and indeed your squad may have the well-earned inside track to the MAC title. The only thing I would add is that you seem very quick to blame the turnovers for costing the Warriors in that "other loss"- with respect, did you ever consider that perhaps Wilkes may have been better than some of the Warrirors faithful anticipated? I remember reading your post about looking forward to the Lycoming-DVC matchup a few weeks back- did you perhaps overlook the stop at Ralston Field along the way?

Your comments are all taken in good stride, and in the years that I have been following this board your comments have been among the most positive. But just remember that if the Warriors do indeed claim the title, the Colonels may wind up being the only MAC squad that knocked them off along the way.

On one last note, I agree that DVC has been the best-represented fanbase on here for quite a long time. At the same time, I have been following these boards for several years, since the start of the 2005 season. I had always wanted to comment, but did not do so because I was still a student at Wilkes and was working with the football program, so I thought it best to not get involved here until now. So while the Aggies ruled the MAC board, there has always been one rep form the Colonels waiting in the wings.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 27, 2008, 12:47:57 AM
G-manWU,

Great comments and thanks for the compliments about my previous posts and this year's edition of the Warriors for their achievements, not mine.

I never knew a Wilkes team to be an easy victory in any sport particularly football.  Therefore I find it hard to accept your assessment of looking past them.

My comments regarding five turnovers and 85 yards in penalties are valid.  It is hard for any team to give up the pigskin that often, with nothing to show for it, and allow your opponent second and third chances via mistakes, to win.

Stats are interesting things but only tell part of the story not the mood, spirit and temperament of team - also key factors.  In the military such things are referred to as esprit de corps.  Napoleon said it something like this - "the morale is to the physical as three is to one." 

I was not at the game so it is hard to discern what actually happened but reading the box score I learned the following:

                                  LYCO   WILKES
FIRST DOWNS...................       16       20
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............    28-34   39-119
PASSING YDS (NET).............      312      175
Passes Att-Comp-Int...........  41-21-4  27-14-1
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS.....   69-346   66-294
Fumble Returns-Yards..........      0-0      0-0
Punt Returns-Yards............      1-3     3-49
Kickoff Returns-Yards.........    5-117     3-60
Interception Returns-Yards....      1-0     4-64
Punts (Number-Avg)............   4-34.5   6-36.5
Fumbles-Lost..................      2-1      0-0
Penalties-Yards...............     7-85     5-50
Possession Time...............    29:41    30:19
Third-Down Conversions........  7 of 18  2 of 11
Fourth-Down Conversions.......   1 of 1   1 of 1
Red-Zone Scores-Chances.......      1-3      3-3
Sacks By: Number-Yards........     2-20     2-13

The most tellling statistic, aside from turnovers or takeaways - if you prefer, is that the Warriors were successful on 7 of 18 third down conversions whereas the Colonels executed 2 out of 11.  It seems to me, from this narrative, that Lycoming's offense moved the ball fairly well.

Regardless, hats off to Wilkes for their W but it is easy for me to see, even in this defeat, the reason the Warriors are 5-2 overall, with a chance to win the MAC for the first time in quite a while.

For that, and positive posts such as yours, I remain most grateful.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 27, 2008, 07:04:11 AM
Congratulations to Lyco on a hard fought victory once again played in extreme weather conditions (wind & rain). They obviously made some defensive adjustments after the Aggies took the opening kickoff and drove the length of the field for an early 7 - 0 lead. Unfortuanately for the Aggies they never really threatened to score after that. It was a hard hitting game with only a handful of big plays. Both defenses played well and neither really deserved to lose. The Aggies came up with some vital stops in he second half but for whatever reason they couldn't build on that momentum..

As far as what may be wrong with the Aggies, here are just a couple of my personal observations and opinions. The offensive line has been beset with injuries over the past few games. Against FDU they played without their starting right tackle and lost their right guard early in the game. In the Lyco game they were without their starting right guard, their tight end went down in the frist series. He tried to continue but was unable to and then they lost their center to injury in the second quarter. As with most DIII teams experienced backups are few and far between and no matter how talented a a younger or inexperienced lineman is there is almost always a dropoff under game conditions. This is not a knock on those young men who gave their best and that is all anyone can ask for. Hopefully the injured players can comeback and finish the year on a positive note.

Outside of the injuries, it just seems at the current time that the offensive execution is very fragmented. They would have a decent play then start the new set of downs with a loss putting them in second and long. Under such harsh playing conditions a more conservative passing game and straight ahead running game may have helped. Plays that were slow developing were often run down from behind or stopped for no gain too many times. The passing game, in my opinion didn't try and work the middle of the field enough or take advantage of shorter routes. Too many times we attempted to go down field with longer routes, mostly between the numbers and the sideline and I don't believe we completed one of them. I know that most of the game Lyco had a safety over the top but the middle of the field may have been the place to go with the footing as it was. A couple of staright draws worked very well. It is just my feeling that the shorter distance you have to throw the ball the better chance you have of completions in wet conditions. The Aggies also showed a "wildcat" offensive formation two or three times but lost yardage each time they used it. Just maybe not the best time, under those conditions, to try such plays.

Please understand, these are not knocks on the coaching staff or game plan, just personal observations. I have enjoyed watching  the Aggies play for four years and would never question a coaches decision or call. The Aggies usually play an exciting wide open style of football. We all love watching those long completions or wild scrambles that they pull off ffrom time to time. I guess the statement "Live by the sword, die by the sword" holds true here. The Aggies always make me proud to be a fan, win or lose they have my support. As always .... GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on October 27, 2008, 06:46:30 PM
Its been a while guys... The mac is seriously shaken up. Hats off to my boys in williamsport though. What do you think of this Lyco team?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 27, 2008, 06:56:33 PM
LBBG,

Love your nom de plume and gave you a +1 karma shot to get you started for that alone.

I am pleased the team is doing so well and hope this is the beginning of even better things to come.

My limited assessment from a distance is they possess a solid O line, a rugged defense, as usual, and offense and special teams play that can be ecstatic or erratic. 

I am hopeful that the offense will mature and the special teams will gel before the end of this season. 

The MAC is a knife fight in the dark this year - big surprise.  Life beyond the MAC will be even tougher for whoever is the champion.  Other conferences have teams that generate lots of yards and make few mistakes. 

Despite my devotion to Lycoming I would be very surprised if any of the MAC team gets beyond a first round game.  The leaders of the league all seem inconsistent and the better D-III teams all play well consistently.

Those are my observations - just remember they are offered from a 7,000 mile distance and from only reading recaps, box scores and posts.

It is hard to get to Williamsport, PA from Yokohama, Japan for a weekend game.  The commute is just too much.

Great question - now it is your turn.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2008, 07:52:10 PM
Knife fight in the dark.  A very apt description.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 28, 2008, 12:41:08 AM
Lyco80,

Thanks for the reply- indeed all of my comments are with good intent and with no disrespect for the Warriors or any other club. I have always admired the pride you have taken in your alma mater in your postings here over the years, and with my registration here, I now look to emulate that same pride, but in the shades of blue and gold that we use in Wilkes-Barre.

Regarding Lycoming this season, the Warriros are indeed pulling away from the pack enough to be in position to bring home the title. If all of the others fall out of contention, it would indeed be interesting to see Lyco vs. LVC in the season finale with the title on the line. You would have one of the established programs with a long and proud history squaring off against a team that has been aiming to get to that spot for some years now.

In regards to the last time Lyco won the title, it was of course 2003- the season before I arrived at Wilkes as a student. If you care to know a totally useless fact, the Wilkes-Lyco matchup at Ralston Field that season was the first D3 football game I ever saw in person- it was part of an open house day I was attending on the Wilkes Campus. The contest opened my eyes to the quality of football on the D3 landscape, and less than a year later I would be enrolled at Wilkes and working with the program.

On one last note, Lyco80, it is very good to see the mention of esprit de corps. I have mentioned this before, but it is perhaps worth brining up again that while I have never served in any of the armed forces, I did spend 4 years as a member of the U.S. Naval Sea Cadet Corps, or USNSCC. From what I can tell you have more than a few years of service in either the Navy or USMC- have you ever worked with a sea cadet unit or served with anyone who has put time in the program?

In no way would I ever compare my experiences with your serivce or that of anyone else, but the program was of great value to me in terms of character and leadership development, at a stage in life where young people shape the values and attitudes they will carry with them into adulthood. While I did not follow the sizeable number of my shipmates from my home unit and summer trainings that are now serving in various capacities in the armed forces, the military bearing that defined my conduct as part of the program remains part of my personal decorum and conduct still today. Hats off to you and your command at Yokohama, and we will see how the road plays out in the always- changing MAC  :)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 28, 2008, 12:52:36 AM
KingSting,

Sorry to see that the Aggies have been bitten by the injury bug recently- I have always said that an offense on any level of football will not go anywhere without at least a semi-decent line, and as a result, injuries to the unit hurt a bit more than at other positions IMHO. Best wishes to all of your guys on a quick recovery, and hopefully we will see them on the field at Wilkes in a few weeks.

On that note, for both you and PBR, please let me know if you guys will be at Ralston Field when Wilkes takes on the Aggies next Saturday. It's always good to meet up with felow fans, so I will try and track you down if possible. In terms of tailgates, my family and I enjoyed many great tailgates over the last few years (many of which were hosted by our fellow poster Grizzman) but most of those families have seen their players graduate and as a result our group dose not get together with the same frequency after home games, otherwise you'd be more than welcomed to stop over. On any note, while the matchup will not have the same luster as the 2006 classic, I hope you all and other DVC faithful on here can hop up for what will hopefully be a good game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Grizzman on October 28, 2008, 08:28:34 PM
[I enjoyed many great tailgates over the last few years]

GMWU - don't forget #1 & #8s parents were great providers of food (& adult beverages) during those tailgates. They were fun, too bad they are not as consistent this year.

I still enjoy reading the posts on here and still follow Wilkes F - ball, although I am more interested in their wrestling team. The MAC has been crazy this year - I think Wilkes could use a little help from a certain former LB.

I can't believe these MAC posters have not given you more karma - let's go boys - give it up to the G man.

Say hello to your Mom & Dad - hope they are doing well. They are a trip. Maybe I'll see you guys at a home match.

By the way, Matt's doing well at Camp Pendleton. Call or text me @ 610-217-3671 and I'll get you his e mail. He would love hearing from you.

Go Colonels...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 29, 2008, 11:21:23 AM
G-Man

I and my family will be at Ralston Field when DVC travels there next week. My wife and I have not missed a DVC game in four years. We are usually in the stands by the time the players come out for warm-ups and right around the 50 yeard line. Really enjoy watching the game at Ralston. the setting is ideal for college football and the visitor bleachers are very good for viewing the game. Fondly remember the last time we were there as it was a defensive slugfest. The Aggies came out on the short end but it was a well played contest and the better team won that day. I believe it was the game that springboarded Wilkes to the MAC championship that season. We often wear 5 shirts if the weather is decent in support of our favorite player. Hope you get a chance to identify yourself and chat for awhile.

As this season winds down it will be bittersweet. This is my son's senior year and (along with his twin sister) being our youngest this will bring to an end our many years of watching our five children play competitive athletics. His older brother played at Ursinus for four years and his two older sisters both played Division I softball at Monmouth and FDU (Teaneck). His twin sister took more of an academic route and is currently in Australia doing her student teaching for Boston University.
It's been one hell of a ride andvwe have a lifetime of memories to looks back on. I hope that every parent enjoys every momentt of it because it flys by.

Hoping that the Aggies finish strong and win or lose all of the players have my respect and thanks for the years of enjoyment they have provided me. DIII players are kind of special in that they really have to love the game to play, there are so many other things they could do but choose to make the sacrifice to play! Congratulations to everyone of them and as always .... GO AGGIES!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 29, 2008, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 28, 2008, 12:52:36 AM
KingSting,

Sorry to see that the Aggies have been bitten by the injury bug recently- I have always said that an offense on any level of football will not go anywhere without at least a semi-decent line, and as a result, injuries to the unit hurt a bit more than at other positions IMHO. Best wishes to all of your guys on a quick recovery, and hopefully we will see them on the field at Wilkes in a few weeks.

On that note, for both you and PBR, please let me know if you guys will be at Ralston Field when Wilkes takes on the Aggies next Saturday. It's always good to meet up with felow fans, so I will try and track you down if possible. In terms of tailgates, my family and I enjoyed many great tailgates over the last few years (many of which were hosted by our fellow poster Grizzman) but most of those families have seen their players graduate and as a result our group dose not get together with the same frequency after home games, otherwise you'd be more than welcomed to stop over. On any note, while the matchup will not have the same luster as the 2006 classic, I hope you all and other DVC faithful on here can hop up for what will hopefully be a good game.

would love to be there G but unfortunately pbr has family obligations. Finally time to chime in after last weeks brutal loss. Tough all around as Coach C said its tough to win in pee wee let alone college football when you have that many turnovers. Wasnt there to see the pass interference call so pbr defer's to refs. Albeit 1 thing that drives pbr nuts is a late flag. its either interference or not, have confidence in yourself to make the immediate call if is otherwise keep the hanky tucked away.

EDIT: Forgot to send congrats to lyco on a great season so far.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on October 29, 2008, 05:26:54 PM
Was there and yes it was interference. Tough play, it was close but the defender went through the receiver to knock the ball away. Just a split second from making a big play! I have no problem with the play, it was do or die. The Aggies compounded the error by picking up an unsportsmanlike penalty also on the call which wound up moving the ball from the 5 to the 35. Aggies held after that but the offense could not do anything with it, would the 30 yards have made a difference..... I guess we'll never know!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 30, 2008, 12:33:36 AM
Grizzman,

As always, my family and I send our best to you and the crew in Easton! Indeed the families you mentioned did a great deal to contribute to many great times after the games- I still believe the post-Mayor's Cup tailgate in 2006 was the best of the bunch  ;) I will indeed make it to a few home matches on the season- hopefully it will be a good year for the crew on the mats. If you aren't at one of the last two games then I will give you a call and will catch up with Matt soon- we are all thrilled to hear of his progress in the USMC.

KingSting,

Glad to hear you will be in the house next weekend for what will hopefully be another good Wilkes-DVC showdown. Your seats work out well for me, as I have an uncle who has gone to all our home games since I started working for the team in '04, and he sits in the section you are describing with a few other fans from Wilkes- now that I am no longer perched atop the film tower, I often join them for at least part of the game. Another perk to sitting in the visitors stands is that you'll get the full sunshine, and that comes in handy during the cold weather! Indeed that 2006 game was tremendous- if you look back at 2005 and 2006, the Wilkes-DVC games were among the best in the MAC and wound up being the deciding factor in each team winning a title.

Also, great to hear your perspective from a parent on how much they have enjoyed the D3 football experience. In my case being involved with the team resulted in my parents coming to almost all of our games in my four years, and in many ways it was just as rewarding for them as it was for me. We had a great group of parents at all of our games who were always positve and supportive, and my family made good friends and had many good times as part of a tremendous buch that included Grizzman, the other parents he mentioned in his post, as well as many others. I imagine it is much the same at DVC, so keep up the good work for the remainder of the season :)

PBR,

Sorry to hear that you won't be around at Ralston this weekend- best wishes with you family activities, and hopefully we will all catch up at a Wilkes-DVC matchup in the near future!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2008, 11:59:29 PM
It's Keystone Cup time in Doylestown!

Delaware Valley (4-3, 2-2 MAC)
vs.
Widener (4-3, 2-2 MAC)

Please click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen to pregame coverage at 12:40 pm and kickoff at 1 pm.

Broadcasts require Windows Media Player 9.0 or later.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 01, 2008, 12:02:42 AM
I have been on a work imposed exile for 1 month, and really only looked at scores, not  the entire MAC picture....holy moly!

That's the last time I take a 1 month leave.....

Congrats Simba and Lyco80...it's sweeter when it's been awhile....

Wasn't Albright supposed to be the sleeper here?  Whats happening with them?  Underperforming?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 01, 2008, 08:25:33 AM
Word out of Doylestown, eight defensive starters will not begin the game for the Aggies due to a team rule violation. How long they sit is anyone's guess. Hope the backups hold their own until the calvary arrives. Would be ashame for such a rivalry to be decided by this. AS  always....... GO AGGIES!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 01, 2008, 05:36:12 PM
As usual, the MAC continues to be a soup sandwich, with teams losing and winning without much predictability.

Way to go Warriors with a big victory today against FDU- on to King's but watch out for them and LVC - take nothing for granted but keep driving.

Not that it really matters, but fair is fair, it is annoying to see Albright listed before Lycoming on the top of the MAC football standings when the Warriors beat them on the field.

Technically, if they end up with the same record, Lycoming wins the conference based on the head-to-head tie-breaker.  Therefore, since that is true, the Warriors deserve to be on the top of the standings.

I doubt this posting will receive much sympathy since it is a technicality and there seem to be so few Lyco posters left anymore.

But like I said, fair is fair, and I am mostly a by-the-book kind of guy.

Congrats to all the other MAC team winners today.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 01, 2008, 05:53:51 PM
Lyco80:

Yeah, the system doesn't account for tiebreakers.  Albright is listed first merely because A comes before L.

Can Lyco change its name to Aalycoming? :)
Title: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on November 01, 2008, 05:55:24 PM
Can anyone fill me on on the Widener/DV game today? I was at another of my son's games (2 playing college football). Seems the fairly reliable Widener D didn't show up, while the O put on one of its better performances. I know they have some key guys out in the secondary and with the DV pass attack, the points were plentiful.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 01, 2008, 06:56:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 01, 2008, 05:53:51 PM
Lyco80:

Yeah, the system doesn't account for tiebreakers.  Albright is listed first merely because A comes before L.

Can Lyco change its name to Aalycoming? :)

G-mann,

I don't know but will suggest this to President Douthat meanwhile I will also query to see if the other school will consider changing their name to Lyy-coal-bright.

You are way too funny . . .

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 01, 2008, 07:43:17 PM
+K to Lyco80, only a squid would reference a soup sandwich.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on November 01, 2008, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: WU_Joker on November 01, 2008, 05:55:24 PM
Can anyone fill me on on the Widener/DV game today? I was at another of my son's games (2 playing college football). Seems the fairly reliable Widener D didn't show up, while the O put on one of its better performances. I know they have some key guys out in the secondary and with the DV pass attack, the points were plentiful.

Guess I can answer my own question after looking at the recap and box score. Seems like it was an exciting game, but there was a questionable call on a DV punt that wound up giving them the ball back and eventually leading to a score. Widener closed it to 6 and then recovered an onsides kick and reached the DV 40 only to get picked off with 32 secs left to the end the game. Tough losses this year that were wins last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 01, 2008, 09:52:49 PM
WU Joker:

As it was described to me, the referees ruled the punt was partially blocked (or at least touched) by Widener which allowed the Aggies to pick it up behind their line of scrimmage and advance it.  One person told me the Aggies could've advanced it even without Widener touching the ball, provided they pick it up behind their own line of scrimmage.  I have to confess I'm not strong enough on this rule to add much insight beyond that.

The Pride have two offensive players who were very impressive.  Quarterback Al Humes doesn't throw the most beautiful sprials but he has great touch and good poise.  Wide receiver Marcus Payton is big, has great hands and good feet.  As freshmen, they should be a force for years to come.

For what's it's worth, I think Lycoming can clinch the title next week under the following scenario:

* Lycoming beats King's, improving to 5-1
* Delaware Valley beats Wilkes.  Wilkes would be 3-3 with one game left.  Del Val would be a 4-2 but Lyco has the tiebreaker.
* Widener beats Albright.  Albright would be 4-2 but Lyco has the tiebreaker.  Widener would be 3-3.
* FDU-Florham beats Lebanon Valley.  Lebanon Valley would be 3-3 and FDU-Florham 2-4.

Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch.  But it could happen. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: redswarm81 on November 01, 2008, 10:32:16 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 01, 2008, 09:52:49 PM

For what's it's worth, I think Lycoming can clinch the title next week under the following scenario:

* Lycoming beats King's, improving to 5-1
* Delaware Valley beats Wilkes.  Wilkes would be 3-3 with one game left.  Del Val would be a 4-2 but Lyco has the tiebreaker.
* Widener beats Albright.  Albright would be 4-2 but Lyco has the tiebreaker.  Widener would be 3-3.
* FDU-Florham beats Lebanon Valley.  Lebanon Valley would be 3-3 and FDU-Florham 2-4.

Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch.  But it could happen. :)

Okay Gordon, now can you run us through the possibilities in the MIAC (http://www.d3football.com/conference_info.php?year=2008&conf=MIAC)?   :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 02, 2008, 05:26:57 AM
[For what's it's worth, I think Lycoming can clinch the title next week under the following scenario:

* Lycoming beats King's, improving to 5-1
* Delaware Valley beats Wilkes.  Wilkes would be 3-3 with one game left.  Del Val would be a 4-2 but Lyco has the tiebreaker.
* Widener beats Albright.  Albright would be 4-2 but Lyco has the tiebreaker.  Widener would be 3-3.
* FDU-Florham beats Lebanon Valley.  Lebanon Valley would be 3-3 and FDU-Florham 2-4.

Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch.  But it could happen. :)
[/quote]

G-mann,

Yeah, but can you help me with my stock portfolio?

That all sounds fine, but the purist in me says win it outright, on the field, and not with any algebraic, complicated, but logical, process of elimination.

Champions are those who earn the right through victory - backing into a conference crown might mean you have the most wins but is not nearly as satisfactory as doing it the old fashioned way - by beating your opponents without help from another club.

We will all be watching more than ever to see if you are a true sage and seer of things pigskin.

As always, Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 02, 2008, 07:06:29 AM
Quote from: redswarm81 on November 01, 2008, 10:32:16 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 01, 2008, 09:52:49 PM

For what's it's worth, I think Lycoming can clinch the title next week under the following scenario:

* Lycoming beats King's, improving to 5-1
* Delaware Valley beats Wilkes.  Wilkes would be 3-3 with one game left.  Del Val would be a 4-2 but Lyco has the tiebreaker.
* Widener beats Albright.  Albright would be 4-2 but Lyco has the tiebreaker.  Widener would be 3-3.
* FDU-Florham beats Lebanon Valley.  Lebanon Valley would be 3-3 and FDU-Florham 2-4.

Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch.  But it could happen. :)

Okay Gordon, now can you run us through the possibilities in the MIAC (http://www.d3football.com/conference_info.php?year=2008&conf=MIAC)?   :P

Pep is thinking the only sure bet in the MIAC is that Hamline will NOT get the AQ.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on November 02, 2008, 09:46:25 AM
Gordonmann: Thanks for your reply and analysis. Your sources are correct. If the punt is tipped and retrieved by the punting team behind the line of scrimmage, the punting team can advance the ball. If it had been tipped and went beyond the line of scrimmage, then the receiving team must touch or fumble the ball for the kicking team to recover the ball.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on November 02, 2008, 08:11:17 PM
Gordonmann & Wu_Joker :
My sources have informed me that the officials ruled the punt was actually not touched by a Widener player and was recovered behind the line of scrimmage by a del val player. I had never seen this occur before and have to admit that I was not sure about the ruling myself. However, I am told that the officials actually got the call correct. A punt is a free ball until it crosses the line of scrimmage and can be advanced by either team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 02, 2008, 08:16:02 PM
Even more amasing is that the refs got it right... I have seen that happen in a game not very long ago.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on November 03, 2008, 07:05:58 AM
Quote from: WUDLINE on November 02, 2008, 08:11:17 PM
Gordonmann & Wu_Joker :
My sources have informed me that the officials ruled the punt was actually not touched by a Widener player and was recovered behind the line of scrimmage by a del val player. I had never seen this occur before and have to admit that I was not sure about the ruling myself. However, I am told that the officials actually got the call correct. A punt is a free ball until it crosses the line of scrimmage and can be advanced by either team.


Thanks for the update, WUDLINE. As I was saying before, lots of things going against WU that were going for them last year. Next year, with a healthy team and a predominant sophomore and junior starting class this year back, they will no doubt contend for the title. In the meantime, hats off to a Lycoming team that had a great turnaround that included havig to adjust to a new coach. I know there are a few games left and am not declaring them champs yet, but a nice season nonetheless.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: The Observation Deck on November 03, 2008, 01:57:28 PM
Quote from: The Observation Deck on January 18, 2008, 09:21:00 PM
At 3-7 last year maybe it would be better if the new coach came in without any knowledge of last year's players.

This seems to be working out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 03, 2008, 02:06:04 PM
interesting have a conversation w/ one's self on a bulleting board....even quoting yourself w/  a pat on the back...man these economic times are driving everyone overboard...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 03, 2008, 08:32:08 PM
Yo Gordo!

What's the procedure for breaking ties if three or more teams wind up with the same record??? with each beating each other! There are still some interesting scenarios still in play. A monkey wrentch or two thrown into the mix and we could wind up with four teams at 5 - 2!!!

Have to agree that Lyco gas the inside track abd deservingly so but this could get real interesting if they should stunble in one of their final games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2008, 08:44:47 AM
KingSting:

That's a good question.  I've held off on talking about the tie breaker possibilities until the picture becomes clearer but obviously there's not much time left for that.  After this weekend's games, I'll try to get the tiebreaker rules and provide some analysis there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 04, 2008, 08:56:52 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 04, 2008, 08:44:47 AM
KingSting:

That's a good question.  I've held off on talking about the tie breaker possibilities until the picture becomes clearer but obviously there's not much time left for that.  After this weekend's games, I'll try to get the tiebreaker rules and provide some analysis there.

good luck w/ solving that rubics cube...HA!   (unless lyco wins out)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 04, 2008, 03:36:38 PM
(unless lyco wins out)

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 07, 2008, 01:13:54 PM
Famous last words, but I'm going to try to get to Ralston Field earlier tomorrow.  I'll be wearing a Tigers cap.  If you see me, stop me and say hello.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 07, 2008, 04:50:56 PM
I will definately be at Ralston tomorrow!!!! Know that they boys will put on a good show from both sides, always a real head banger of a game. Unlike the contests versus Widener where there seems to be a real undercurrent of dislike for each other  I anticipate a real competeive game on Saturday and may the best team win!

I hope all players come out of it healthy and wish all of the Aggie Seniors a special thanks for four great years of football, I'm kind of lost with what to do with myself after these next couple of weeks! It will be the end of a very long road, but it's been a really nice ride!!

As always.............. GO AGGIES!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 07, 2008, 09:06:22 PM
And if you can't make the road trip to Edwardsville...

Wilkes (3-5, 3-2 MAC)

vs.
Delaware Valley (5-3, 3-2 MAC)

Please click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen to the broadcast which starts with pregame coverage at 12:40 pm, kickoff at 1 pm.

The broadcast requires Windows Media Player 9.0 or later to listen.  The link will be inactive until pregame coverage begins.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 08, 2008, 02:08:19 AM
Gordon and KingSting,

Good to see you will be at Ralston tomororw- I hope to get there early myself as well. If the weather is decent, I will be decked out in the gear from my favorite Formula One racing team, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, in celebration of their recent World Championship. In any event, I will be around the visitors press box, so I hope to see you there!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 08, 2008, 03:38:23 PM
I am without speech.  I just heard the stream and the announcer said King's was leading of Lycoming 24-7 with only minutes to go in the game.  Could it be they were looking ahead?  This really puts a damper on a great story and good season.  Even if the Warriors can get a share of the MAC now it will never taste as sweet.  Congrats to the lads from King's.  I hate to rely on other teams to help your team to win something - winners craft their own destiny - it is just that simple.

Simba - did you see the game?

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: captpuck on November 08, 2008, 03:48:25 PM
Albright 21      widener 10   final
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 08, 2008, 04:30:26 PM
Del Val scores 28 straight points to turn a 13-0 deficit into an eventual 28-21 win in Wilkes-Barre.  It's the Aggies' first win in Edwardsville since 1991.

Leb Val trounces FDU-Florham 38-3.

So Albright is alone in first (5-1) with Lycoming, Del Val and Lebanon Valley a game behind at 4-2.

I'll have to wait to review the tiebreaker rules when I get home, but the only clear thing is that Albright wins the automatic bid with a victory against Del Val next week.  I think Del Val and Lycoming are alive in different tiebreaker scenarios.  Leb Val may be, too.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 08, 2008, 05:01:27 PM
Here is the tiebreaker scenario courtesy of Delaware Valley Sports Information Director extraordinaire Matt Levy...

First, remember that the conference names co- or tri-champions regardless of head-to-head results.  If two (or three) teams finish with the same record, the conference recognizes both as champs.  Thus, congratulations to MAC champions Albright.  They may end up tri-champions but they are guaranteed a piece of the title.

As for the AQ, there are three teams who still have a chance.

Albright wins the AQ with a victory next week at Del Val.  They don't need help since they are up one game with one left.  Actually that is the only scenario in which the Lions win the AQ.  Simple enough.

Lycoming wins the AQ with a victory at home over Lebanon Valley and a Delaware Valley win over Albright.  The Warriors would finish in a first place tie with Albright and Del Val but have head-to-head wins against both.

Delaware Valley wins the AQ with a victory at home over Albright and a Lebanon Valley win at Lycoming.  The Aggies would finish in a first place tie with Albright and Lebanon Valley but have head-to-head wins against both.

While Lebanon Valley can finish as tri-champions with a win at Lycoming and a Delaware Valley win, they cannot win the AQ.  That situation creates the three-way tie under which Del Val gets the AQ.

So all four teams with a shot at the title and AQ will play with something on the line next week.  Should be fun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on November 08, 2008, 07:03:06 PM
Great recap Gordanmann. Thanks!

Good luck to the teams vying for the title next week. WU can do no better than a disappointing 5-5 this year. With some good experience from a mostly Soph/Jr team and some better health next year, they should contend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 08, 2008, 08:02:25 PM
G-Man,

Nice meeting you today at Ralston. Sorry your team didn't fare well but turnovers really hurt them today. Of course, that is usually a deciding factor in close games. Both teams were hurt by penalties in the first half and the Aggies were able to pull off a few big plays to take advantage of their opportunities.

Gordo,

Thanks for the explanation of the tie breaking rules! It makes it very inderstandable for us novices. Looks like the games at Lyco and Del Val next week are really going to be intense. Thought the Aggies were dead after their loss to Lyco and it's great just to still be alive going into the final week. It's been quite a ride this year in the MAC and nothing should be taken for granted at anytime.

Her's hoping the Aggies can come up with a big effort on Senior Day next Saturday. It will take everything they have to knock off a highly motivated Albright team. I know they will need some help but would like to see them end it on a winning note!

As always...... GO AGGIES  (and yesm for this week only....GO LEB VAL!!!!)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 10, 2008, 07:49:38 AM
pbr is a HUGE leb val fan this week!!! going to be lots of scoreboard watching this weekend. a huge weekend in mac football. and pbr does believe leb val has a chance in knocking off lyco
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 10, 2008, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 10, 2008, 07:49:38 AM
pbr is a HUGE leb val fan this week!!! going to be lots of scoreboard watching this weekend. a huge weekend in mac football. and pbr does believe leb val has a chance in knocking off lyco


Ah yes, PBR, but can DVC knock off Albright who controls their own destiny?  Now, that is the real question.

Naturally, I am pulling for the Warriors but am not optimistic of their chances since they could not handle King's, who seemed unable to defeat anyone in the MAC this season until the Warriors bungled, er - fumbled their chances away.

Albright played everyone in the MAC tough this year, including Lycoming, while DVC let FDU knock them off.  You can argue Lycoming got lucky against them in a swamp of a game.

I predict Albright will win and that will be the end of this year's madness called the MAC football season. 

Pity too, since Coach Clark may have been on his way to coach of the year accolades - but like I truly believe - champions find a way to win and win on the field - not with some complex tie-breaking scenario.

Go Warriors, and this week only - Go Aggies.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 10, 2008, 08:57:37 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 10, 2008, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 10, 2008, 07:49:38 AM
pbr is a HUGE leb val fan this week!!! going to be lots of scoreboard watching this weekend. a huge weekend in mac football. and pbr does believe leb val has a chance in knocking off lyco


Ah yes, PBR, but can DVC knock off Albright who controls their own destiny?  Now, that is the real question.

Naturally, I am pulling for the Warriors but am not optimistic of their chances since they could not handle King's, who seemed unable to defeat anyone in the MAC this season until the Warriors bungled, er - fumbled their chances away.

Albright played everyone in the MAC tough this year, including Lycoming, while DVC let FDU knock them off.  You can argue Lycoming got lucky against them in a swamp of a game.

I predict Albright will win and that will be the end of this year's madness called the MAC football season. 

Pity too, since Coach Clark may have been on his way to coach of the year accolades - but like I truly believe - champions find a way to win and win on the field - not with some complex tie-breaking scenario.

Go Warriors, and this week only - Go Aggies.

ATB

yes indeed, especially since pbr's sister is a lyco grad there could be all out war over the thanksgiving day table this year!! (w/ lyco beating dvc in the regular season and somehow dvc squeaks into the playoffs this would burn up pbr's sister to no end...) been a crazy year in the mac and its still going cant remember a season where so many teams had a chance to win the mac and playoff ramifications its going to be fun!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 10, 2008, 11:00:35 AM
Personally speaking I believe that Lyco holds the edge this weekend by playing at home. Could use that factor to their advantage although Leb Val has been playing very well as of late. Should be an interesting matchup. If Lyco protects the pigskin they should be able to come away with the victory unless Leb Val just has another monster game on offense.

The reason I believe that Lyco has the edge is that Del Val is also playing at home and has held serve all season on their turf against all opponents except for the opener versus Iona. They have defeated an outstanding Wesley team and made short work of a very good Salisbury squad at home. If they come up with an effort to match either of those games it should be enough to pull out the win against Albright. Should be a close, hard hitting game to say the least with probably the team making the fewest mistake comiong out on top. I do like the Aggies chances though to come away with the win and a piece of the MAC title. If Albright does win I will be the first to congratulate them on their title and bid to the playoffs, it would be well deserved.

GO AGGIES!!!!!!!!                       GO LEB VAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 10, 2008, 11:04:38 AM
Here's hoping Gordo has a direct line hook up between Williamsport and Doylestown to keep the fans at both games informed of any scoring changes throughout the day on Saturday!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 10, 2008, 12:01:34 PM
Quote from: KingSting999 on November 10, 2008, 11:04:38 AM
Here's hoping Gordo has a direct line hook up between Williamsport and Doylestown to keep the fans at both games informed of any scoring changes throughout the day on Saturday!!!

wouldnt surprise me at all if coach c requests no updates on the lyco/leb val game(although maybe a 1/2 time update when teams are in the locker rooms). he will want his players concentrating on the game at hand not scoreboard watching/listening.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 10, 2008, 12:11:37 PM
Sure, but that won't stop me from monitoring the Lyco/Leb Val game and providing frequent updates to my listeners if the Del Val/Albright game is close. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 10, 2008, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 10, 2008, 12:11:37 PM
Sure, but that won't stop me from monitoring the Lyco/Leb Val game and providing frequent updates to my listeners if the Del Val/Albright game is close. ;)

absolutely gmann...texting/emails/whisper down the row etc... will be taking place and highly encouraged...just nothing out loud
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 10, 2008, 01:11:56 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 10, 2008, 12:11:37 PM
Sure, but that won't stop me from monitoring the Lyco/Leb Val game and providing frequent updates to my listeners if the Del Val/Albright game is close. ;)

Will the Albright game be podcast from Doylestown, if so how and where online?  Even with them atop the MAC (surprisingly so it seems) They have been on a tear and I do feel awfully alone in in supporting them so I generally keep my mouth shut in here, dont talk trash,  and listen to the ones who have grasped it all especially this time of year.  Again this place has been a great spot to get in touch with my days past and present so nonetheless I love checking in here weekly.  Thanks to all you clowns that keep this fun and interesting, even if a majority of you are from competing schools.  Another good year although it does not seem to be reflected by the posting.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2008, 01:31:00 PM
Gordon does all the Delaware Valley games, yes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 10, 2008, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: LANES on November 10, 2008, 01:11:56 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 10, 2008, 12:11:37 PM
Sure, but that won't stop me from monitoring the Lyco/Leb Val game and providing frequent updates to my listeners if the Del Val/Albright game is close. ;)

Will the Albright game be podcast from Doylestown, if so how and where online?  Even with them atop the MAC (surprisingly so it seems) They have been on a tear and I do feel awfully alone in in supporting them so I generally keep my mouth shut in here, dont talk trash,  and listen to the ones who have grasped it all especially this time of year.  Again this place has been a great spot to get in touch with my days past and present so nonetheless I love checking in here weekly.  Thanks to all you clowns that keep this fun and interesting, even if a majority of you are from competing schools.  Another good year although it does not seem to be reflected by the posting.

come on its not that bad here, speak up and support your team! its usually good natured ribbing and having fun. no more lurking and speak out on your teams behalf
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 10, 2008, 03:57:52 PM
Any word out of Del Val on Greg Rissengers injury? That poor kid has had one messed up Senior season. Hurt his knee at Wilkes and we are hoping for the best. Would be really great to see him end his career on the field rather than dressed in sweats. Good Luck Greg
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 10, 2008, 09:15:56 PM
LANES:

Yep.  You can listen to the Albright-Delaware Valley game by clicking here:

http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx

Pregame coverage at 12:40 and kickoff at 1 pm.

You'll need Windows Media Player 9.0 or later to listen, but that's pretty standard on most computers.  The link will not be active until 12:40 pm on Saturday so don't worry if you get an error message by clicking on the link above.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 11, 2008, 07:49:14 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 10, 2008, 09:15:56 PM
LANES:

Yep.  You can listen to the Albright-Delaware Valley game by clicking here:

http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx

Pregame coverage at 12:40 and kickoff at 1 pm.

You'll need Windows Media Player 9.0 or later to listen, but that's pretty standard on most computers.  The link will not be active until 12:40 pm on Saturday so don't worry if you get an error message by clicking on the link above.

absolutely lanes and gordon does a great job calling the game. highly recommend listening online if you can and tell others its a great way to catch the game if they cant attend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 11, 2008, 12:40:41 PM
Aw shucks.  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on November 11, 2008, 06:46:42 PM
Don't sweat it Lanes, there are other Albright posters out here.  We pop up every once in a while, and I think we will all get what we have been waiting for this saturday.  This team is very disciplined, and I think we have a great chance at seeing our first Playoff appearance since 1997-98.

I will say that Isgro should be a tough QB to do it against.  I had the opportunity to see him play as a freshman and I was impressed.  I would imagine he has matured plenty since then.

Any predictions?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 12, 2008, 12:05:07 AM
dvc 28 albright 20
lyco 14  lebval 21


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 12, 2008, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: DVCFan11 on November 12, 2008, 12:05:07 AM
dvc 28 albright 20
lyco 14  lebval 21




it would make pbr smile thats for sure...  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 13, 2008, 01:20:59 AM
just 3 days left till all eyes are on doylestown. lets go aggies bring the MAC championship back to AGGIELAND where it belongs
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 13, 2008, 06:25:15 AM
I cannot say about other schools but it seems to me that if the championship belongs anywhere it is on the banks of the Susquehanna River - and not at the site of the other school either.  The Warriors under Coach G won the MAC 13 times so if it is to be back where it belongs I suggest you look to Central PA for the appropriate trophy case - after all - 2008's edition will have lots of company and I am sure Coach Clark can make room for one more.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2008, 07:51:15 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 13, 2008, 06:25:15 AM
I cannot say about other schools but it seems to me that if the championship belongs anywhere it is on the banks of the Susquehanna River - and not at the site of the other school either.  The Warriors under Coach G won the MAC 13 times so if it is to be back where it belongs I suggest you look to Central PA for the appropriate trophy case - after all - 2008's edition will have lots of company and I am sure Coach Clark can make room for one more.

Go Warriors!

ATB

HA! well said BUT when was the last time lyco won the mac? thats right...lets not live in ancient times and fast forward to current times where dvc has done extremely well in the mac!!  (hope all is well w/ you lyco80)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 13, 2008, 08:14:13 AM
PBR,

You mean like affection for a beer that is itself an icon of the past?

Sure, sure, sure, and here is where you bring out the tripe about how the Red Sox have more rings in the 21st century than the Yankees.  But like Yogi says - "I got ten rings myself." 

Ancient history means not in one's lifetime so I am not sure what sort of calculator or maybe slide rule you are using for your time measurement.

Tradition and history are useful indicators of performance.  True, DVC has been resurgent lately but it was within the last ten years that the Warriors would beat them by as much as 50 to nil on their own field.  The turnaround with the program is chiefly due to a coach who made his name and then moved on. 

Lycoming's tradition and history were forged over time and the Girardi name and family are legendary as are the winning percentages and champions. 

When Churchill was reminded of Naval tradition he barked, "Bah, what is Naval tradition but rum, sodomy and the lash."  Well, last time I looked Williamsport was on the navigable waters of the United States but I doubt if the U.S. Navy ever made a port call there.

Football accomplishments are like diamonds - they are fashioned over time - and endure.

Time for the MAC to come home - the Doylestown misadventure needs to come to a close.

Thanks for your concern - we are well and starting our third year here in Nippon.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2008, 08:26:08 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 13, 2008, 08:14:13 AM
PBR,

You mean like affection for a beer that is itself an icon of the past?

Sure, sure, sure, and here is where you bring out the tripe about how the Red Sox have more rings in the 21st century than the Yankees.  But like Yogi says - "I got ten rings myself." 

Ancient history means not in one's lifetime so I am not sure what sort of calculator or maybe slide rule you are using for your time measurement.

Tradition and history are useful indicators of performance.  True, DVC has been resurgent lately but it was within the last ten years that the Warriors would beat them by as much as 50 to nil on their own field.  The turnaround with the program is chiefly due to a coach who made his name and then moved on. 

Lycoming's tradition and history were forged over time and the Girardi name and family are legendary as are the winning percentages and champions. 

When Churchill was reminded of Naval tradition he barked, "Bah, what is Naval tradition but rum, sodomy and the lash."  Well, last time I looked Williamsport was on the navigable waters of the United States but I doubt if the U.S. Navy ever made a port call there.

Football accomplishments are like diamonds - they are fashioned over time - and endure.

Time for the MAC to come home - the Doylestown misadventure needs to come to a close.

Thanks for your concern - we are well and starting our third year here in Nippon.

Go Warriors!

ATB

ahh...yes coach mangus has moved on but coach clements is doing quite well and is winning w/ players he recruited.  history is just that...history, no one remembers the lyco teams of the 80s as kids in school today werent even born yet! LOL...weather is going to play a big factor in this weeks games again. this is true for the entire northeast as thunderstorms are even a possibility in doylestown. the rain should be gone by gametime (hopefully based on forecast now) but winds will wreak havoc and the temps are going to plummet all day as a cold front comes crashing into the northeast. so with so many playoff determining games this weekend weather could be a big factor. i.e. lyco vs. leb val, dvc vs. albright and up north you have ithaca/cortland all these games have huge playoff ramifications.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 13, 2008, 10:56:54 AM
Me thinks that Lyco80 better focus on the game at hand in Williamsport and not worry about the happenings in Doylestown. A loss to a resurgent Leb Val team and they are left out in that cold, rainy weather with nothing but hope for next year!!!! The MAC title will come to riist where it rightfully belongs, in the hands of the team who earned it on the field. The NCAA bid is the real jewel in the equation. That holds the true bragging rights. None of the players today really care about what happened ten, twenty years ago, they want to be part of their own history!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 13, 2008, 11:02:38 AM
Hoping for no rain at game time in Aggieland. Two of their three loses have in games where it rained (poured) non stop all game long. (Iona, Lyco). One small advantage of playing at home for the Aggies is that it brings another artificial turf team in to play on the real stuff. Their record isa pretty good when that happens.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 13, 2008, 01:07:47 PM
anyway you look at it, or whoever you are routing for on saturday (AGGIES!!!) best of luck to both the aggies and albright and to all the MAC seniors. its been one of the best years of mac play ive seen, with the title going right down to the final week. hopefully it ends up back in Aggieland
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 13, 2008, 02:02:36 PM
Very good conversation on here since my last visit- I hope all of you have been well lately. My thanks to Grizzman and Gordon for catching up with my at Ralston Field last week, and to KingSting, very good meeting you and your family as well.

In terms of the traditon argument and where the championship belongs, the simple answer is that the championship belongs to whatever team earned it on the playing field in any given season. Tradition and past history are very important and meaningful, but every year is a new season and each team starts with a 0-0 mark in the win-loss records. If you look back on the period of 2004-06, DVC had not won the conference once before their two-year run, and at Wilkes we had not claimed the title since 1993. Dose that make the three combined championships won by our programs any less meaningful than Lyco's 2003 title or Widener's run in the early 2000s? To put it in very humble terms, I don't think so..........

Lyco80- When you speak of the other school on the Susquehanna River, I am curious as to what school/team you are referring to. I know Susquehanna is now out of the conference, so that narrows it down to Wilkes and King's. I know the Monarchs came aboard after your were probably done playing, but both campuses are located on the same street in Wilkes-Barre, just across from the river bank, even though King's plays their games at the newly-renovated Betzler Fields Complex just off I-81.

On a final note to everyone, my best to all then seniors around the MAC who will be playing their last games on Saturday. As Wilkes heads to Chester, the matchup will be the last call for many of my good friends on the team who were part of the first recruiting class to come in after I started working with the program. No matter who wins, both team's senios will be able to take away a degree from a great university, a conference title, and a lifetime of memories from great careers.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 13, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
I am pleased to see how much chat has churned up here in the last week or so - parity will do that since so many teams are still in the MAC hunt.

The other school I envisioned is no longer a MAC competitor but remains a local rival much closer than the twins in the twin cities.

As for tradition and posts who act as if the Warriors have not done anything since the 80's let me point out that in the 1990s - when many of the current players were already born - Lycoming went to the National championship not once but twice - albeit losing in OT once and getting spanked a second time.  That is not before fire was discovered or pencils were invented.  More recently they lost in the second round of the NCAA playoffs in 2003 after the tragic death of one of their all-time best wide receivers to a bizarre infection.

I am not sure, perhaps Pat Coleman or one of the other gurus on here can answer this question:  how many other MAC schools played in the NCAA championship game?

President John Adams, arguing in defense of the British soldiers accused of the infamous "Boston Massacre" stated, "facts are stubborn things." 

Indeed, they are, by the way, they were acquitted, despite the outcry of the uninformed and inflamed.

Go Warriors - smash mouth time at Person Field!

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2008, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 13, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
I am pleased to see how much chat has churned up here in the last week or so - parity will do that since so many teams are still in the MAC hunt.

The other school I envisioned is no longer a MAC competitor but remains a local rival much closer than the twins in the twin cities.

As for tradition and posts who act as if the Warriors have not done anything since the 80's let me point out that in the 1990s - when many of the current players were already born - Lycoming went to the National championship not once but twice - albeit losing in OT once and getting spanked a second time.  That is not before fire was discovered or pencils were invented.  More recently they lost in the second round of the NCAA playoffs in 2003 after the tragic death of one of their all-time best wide receivers to a bizarre infection.

I am not sure, perhaps Pat Coleman or one of the other gurus on here can answer this question:  how many other MAC schools played in the NCAA championship game?

ATB



While I'm far from a "guru," I seem to recollect that MAC member Widener played in at least one NCAA championship game (Manlove was the coach at the time).

I also seem to remember that Lyco played Allegheny in a D3 title game (don't ask me the exact year) in an All-Pennsylania matchup.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2008, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 13, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
I am pleased to see how much chat has churned up here in the last week or so - parity will do that since so many teams are still in the MAC hunt.

The other school I envisioned is no longer a MAC competitor but remains a local rival much closer than the twins in the twin cities.

As for tradition and posts who act as if the Warriors have not done anything since the 80's let me point out that in the 1990s - when many of the current players were already born - Lycoming went to the National championship not once but twice - albeit losing in OT once and getting spanked a second time.  That is not before fire was discovered or pencils were invented.  More recently they lost in the second round of the NCAA playoffs in 2003 after the tragic death of one of their all-time best wide receivers to a bizarre infection.

I am not sure, perhaps Pat Coleman or one of the other gurus on here can answer this question:  how many other MAC schools played in the NCAA championship game?

ATB



While I'm far from a "guru," I seem to recollect that MAC member Widener played in at least one NCAA championship game (Manlove was the coach at the time).

I also seem to remember that Lyco played Allegheny in a D3 title game (don't ask me the exact year) in an All-Pennsylania matchup.

correct you are warren, also believe widener won 2 national championships while manlove was coach. (but me memory could be fading at this point..LOL)   warren you havent been around much this season, usually you can add some good info on leb val. needless to say there are a lot of dvc fans rooting for leb val this weekend!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 13, 2008, 04:37:08 PM
You guys are too humble.  Your memories are better than you think.

Lycoming played Allegheny in 1990 (the 21-14 OT loss).  The other appearance was a 61-12 loss to Mount Union in 1997.  There's a long list of excellent teams with similar results against the Purple Powerhouse.

Widener won the national title in 1977 (39-36 over Wabash) and 1981 (17-10 over Dayton).  Current Aggies assistant Bill Manlove was the head coach both years.

Juniata (remember them?) played in the title game in 1973, a 41-0 loss to Wittenberg.  I suspect the Eagles were part of the MAC back then but can't verify it.

Keep in mind the MAC was much larger before 10 teams split off in 1993.  If you consider 1994 forward the "modern MAC era," then Lyco's the only team to play in a title game.

And lest you think my knowledge is something special...

http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/

:)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2008, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 13, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2008, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 13, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
I am pleased to see how much chat has churned up here in the last week or so - parity will do that since so many teams are still in the MAC hunt.

The other school I envisioned is no longer a MAC competitor but remains a local rival much closer than the twins in the twin cities.

As for tradition and posts who act as if the Warriors have not done anything since the 80's let me point out that in the 1990s - when many of the current players were already born - Lycoming went to the National championship not once but twice - albeit losing in OT once and getting spanked a second time.  That is not before fire was discovered or pencils were invented.  More recently they lost in the second round of the NCAA playoffs in 2003 after the tragic death of one of their all-time best wide receivers to a bizarre infection.

I am not sure, perhaps Pat Coleman or one of the other gurus on here can answer this question:  how many other MAC schools played in the NCAA championship game?

ATB



While I'm far from a "guru," I seem to recollect that MAC member Widener played in at least one NCAA championship game (Manlove was the coach at the time).

I also seem to remember that Lyco played Allegheny in a D3 title game (don't ask me the exact year) in an All-Pennsylania matchup.

correct you are warren, also believe widener won 2 national championships while manlove was coach. (but me memory could be fading at this point..LOL)   warren you havent been around much this season, usually you can add some good info on leb val. needless to say there are a lot of dvc fans rooting for leb val this weekend!!!

Widener's D3 championship teams (don't ask me which ones) featured Joe Fields and Billy "Whiteshoes" Johnson. The former went on to play on Sundays with the NY Jets, the latter with the Houston Oilers.

I've not been around overly much till recently ... recovering from knee replacement surgery
and its accompanying PT. (ADVICE TO YOU YOUNG ONES: don't ever get old, at least don't let your knees get old.  :P)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2008, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 13, 2008, 04:37:08 PM
You guys are too humble.  Your memories are better than you think.

Lycoming played Allegheny in 1990 (the 21-14 OT loss).  The other appearance was a 61-12 loss to Mount Union in 1997.  There's a long list of excellent teams with similar results against the Purple Powerhouse.

Widener won the national title in 1977 (39-36 over Wabash) and 1981 (17-10 over Dayton).  Current Aggies assistant Bill Manlove was the head coach both years.

Juniata (remember them?) played in the title game in 1973, a 41-0 loss to Wittenberg.  I suspect the Eagles were part of the MAC back then but can't verify it.

Keep in mind the MAC was much larger before 10 teams split off in 1993.  If you consider 1994 forward the "modern MAC era," then Lyco's the only team to play in a title game.

And lest you think my knowledge is something special...

http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/

:)

I do believe Juniata was a member of the MAC in 1973 and for many years earlier.
They certainly were when I arrived in Annville in fall 1967.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 14, 2008, 07:46:18 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2008, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 13, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2008, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 13, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
I am pleased to see how much chat has churned up here in the last week or so - parity will do that since so many teams are still in the MAC hunt.

The other school I envisioned is no longer a MAC competitor but remains a local rival much closer than the twins in the twin cities.

As for tradition and posts who act as if the Warriors have not done anything since the 80's let me point out that in the 1990s - when many of the current players were already born - Lycoming went to the National championship not once but twice - albeit losing in OT once and getting spanked a second time.  That is not before fire was discovered or pencils were invented.  More recently they lost in the second round of the NCAA playoffs in 2003 after the tragic death of one of their all-time best wide receivers to a bizarre infection.

I am not sure, perhaps Pat Coleman or one of the other gurus on here can answer this question:  how many other MAC schools played in the NCAA championship game?

ATB



While I'm far from a "guru," I seem to recollect that MAC member Widener played in at least one NCAA championship game (Manlove was the coach at the time).

I also seem to remember that Lyco played Allegheny in a D3 title game (don't ask me the exact year) in an All-Pennsylania matchup.

correct you are warren, also believe widener won 2 national championships while manlove was coach. (but me memory could be fading at this point..LOL)   warren you havent been around much this season, usually you can add some good info on leb val. needless to say there are a lot of dvc fans rooting for leb val this weekend!!!

Widener's D3 championship teams (don't ask me which ones) featured Joe Fields and Billy "Whiteshoes" Johnson. The former went on to play on Sundays with the NY Jets, the latter with the Houston Oilers.

I've not been around overly much till recently ... recovering from knee replacement surgery
and its accompanying PT. (ADVICE TO YOU YOUNG ONES: don't ever get old, at least don't let your knees get old.  :P)

well pbr truly hopes your recovery is going well and its good to see you back among the mac faithful. its time for a great weekend of college football with a lot riding on the games this weekend. the entire northeast is loaded w/ meaningful games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 14, 2008, 12:51:40 PM
  I have not posted all season but have enjoyed reading all the banter.  I figured I would break my silence in wishing Lyco Warriors and our son good luck against LVC College in his last Regular Season Game.

   To all the players that I've had the pleasure to get to know, Chat with, and occasionally cook for, I wish you all continued success.

GO WARRIORS!
JB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 14, 2008, 07:32:39 PM
Boy it looks like the lousy weather is going to be with us tomorrow. It could have a direct bearing on the two games that still have MAC championship scenarios. With that in mind it looks like the teams that can protect the ball and move it on the ground will have a distinct advantage if the weather predictions hold true (high winds & rain),

Of course being an Aggie fan there's only two teams I can pick tomorrow:

Del Val 21 - Albright 20

Should be a real good one, Aggie O-line is healthy again and Cook could be the difference in the game. The freshman back from Albright will try and answer but I see the Aggies squeaking out the W.

Leb Val 21 - Lyo 20

Can't really seperate these teams, just would like to see the LV squad come out on top.

The MAC this year has been one big roller coaster ride with one week having teams that look inbeatable only to see them stumble the following week. If home field advantage holds up the MAC will wind up in Williamsport but who really knows! Good luck to all and best wishes to all of the Seniors who may be strapping the pads on for the last time in their young lives. Thanks for the memories.....It's been great!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2008, 10:05:00 PM
Big games and bad weather.  Where have we heard that before?

Speaking of hearing things...

Delaware Valley (6-3, 4-2)
vs.
Albright (7-2, 5-1)

The regular season finale couldn't be bigger for both teams with a conference title and the NCAA playoff bid at stake.  We'll have frequent updates of the Lycoming/Leb Val showdown along with the game play-by-play.

Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen starting at 12:40 pm, 1 pm kickoff.

You'll need Windows Media Player 9.0 or later to listen.  The link will not be active until pregame coverage begins.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 14, 2008, 10:20:12 PM
lots of old schoolers on this board.  k+ to all.

what you lack in quanity of posts you make up for in quality (maybe we on the LLPP could learn some things from the MAC?  uh.....never mind ;)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 15, 2008, 12:01:24 AM
good luck tomorrow aggies, bring that title home. also thank you to all the MAC seniors for your four years, may all your games give you memories for a lifetime
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 15, 2008, 12:47:29 AM
Lyco80,

As always, a very good choice of comments from across the Pacific. I know the rival you are speaking of and that was what first came to mind, but with them out of the league I was not 100% sure. As I believe you were at Lyco when SU also had some decent squads, I would love to hear some of your perspectives on that rivalry.

In regards to the recent history of the Warriros, I can't speak for the others on here, but Lycoming has always been held in the highest regard by the Wilkes staff and fanbse. When I arrived at training camp in the summer of 2004, the Warriors were the team to beat in the MAC. While the last four years have not been quite as good as the glory years, Williamsport was and always will be a key stop on the road to the MAC title IMHO.

To close out this topic, one of the big pluses of working in and around the press box for four seasons is getitng to see many great exibits that the players don't see, as well as getting access to copies of the game program/media guide- I have a copy of one of these publications from each game we played in over my four years at Wilkes. As a result, I have learned the history of Lyco's program quite well- they always produces one of the best program books in the league. I also always stopped to admire the displays inside the Shangraw Complex from the Stagg Bowl and also the tributes to the player you speak of- I remember seeing him play when the Warriors came to Ralston Field in 2003 and his spirit will always remain with the players and fans at Person Field.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Findtheball on November 15, 2008, 05:00:06 AM
                              GAME DAY!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 15, 2008, 03:04:50 PM
here we go fourth quarter:
AGGIES 28-9
LVC 15-13
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:23:53 PM
Lycoming has the ball at their own 29 and it is fourth down.

Lead to them is 16 - 15 and their punt team is on the field.

Flag on the punt
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:24:52 PM
Block in the back against LVC

Once again - the Warrior defense must save the season
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 15, 2008, 03:26:09 PM
aggies up 34-9 with under 2 mins to go..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:26:20 PM
Second and ten from the LVC 32 with 5:30.

Incomplete pass making it third and ten.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:27:20 PM
Ball patted down by Belito making it fourth and ten

What will the Flying Dutchmen do now?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 15, 2008, 03:27:41 PM
whats the score of that game? my game tracker froze
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:28:07 PM
Warriors ahead 16-15
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:28:49 PM
First down Lycoming on the ground . . . time to grind it out lads.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:29:36 PM
Second and 7 with less than four to play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:30:15 PM
First down with 3:40 to go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 15, 2008, 03:30:26 PM
AGGIES win 34-9!! waiting for the end of the Lyco-LVC game..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:31:18 PM
DVC 34 - Albright 9 final score
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:32:01 PM
3rd down and 11 yards to go with Lycoming with the lead.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:32:46 PM
Fourth and one with 2:15 and LVC is waiting for what to take a time out?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 15, 2008, 03:33:26 PM
do they have all their time outs?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:33:47 PM
Does Coach Clark punt or go for it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:34:12 PM
They now have one - LYCO to punt
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 15, 2008, 03:34:30 PM
you gotta punt and pin them deep with little time left
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:34:50 PM
Ball punted to the 6 yard line.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:35:26 PM
INTERCEPTION TO THE HOUSE - WARRIORS WILL WIN!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 15, 2008, 03:36:21 PM
still time...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:37:52 PM
Not to bad a showing for a team that was only picked to be fifth in the MAC.

Lycoming 23 - LVC 15.

1:55 to go.

It appears the MAC is back where it belongs - what a finish.

Congrats to DVC for a mid-season come-back to finish strong.

1:53 to go.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:38:48 PM
What a game - no huddle - pass incomplete making it third and 5.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:39:31 PM
Shy of the first down - 1:10 to go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:40:18 PM
BALL OVER ON DOWNS TO THE WARRIORS! 

WARRIRORS WILL RUN OUT THE CLOCK.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 15, 2008, 03:42:02 PM
I only wish I was sitting with my buddy Simba watching this story unfold.

Warriors back to post-season.

Congratulations to Coach Clark - way to go Mike!

GO WARRIORS  - represent the MAC well.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 15, 2008, 03:43:07 PM
wow ok first i have to tip my hat to lyco, congrats and represent the MAC well in the playoffs. second great job to all the MAC seniors, this has to be one of the best years of mac football in years, good luck in what ever you do in the future. now lets talk playoffs. Lyco gets the automatic bid right? dvc and leb val should get a ecac birth at least, i would hope
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 15, 2008, 05:01:24 PM
congrats to dvc to step up and win a huge game. pbr was in attendance and isgro never fails to amaze pbr at qb. also congrats to lyco albeit pbr would really like to see these 2 teams play again wear weather wasnt a factor like the last time they played as me thinks the  outcome would be totally different. congrats to all the seniors in the mac as their regular season careers ended.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 15, 2008, 07:29:28 PM
Congrats Lyco, Leb Val really gave it a go, but it wasn't meant to be...a big congrats to the Aggies on their MAC co-championship. The seniors came up big in their last regular season game and were a pleasure to watch over the past 4 years!

I wish Lyco well in the playoffs, hopefully they will have a good showing, and convince the powers to be that the MAC deserves more respect. That being said, I agree with PBR, a different day a totally different outcome if Lyco and DVC played again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 15, 2008, 08:36:13 PM
I can only assume most posters have been around the game to understand that you get one shot at it "to win" in the moment. 

It's great that poster are now saying one more time it would be different......

I'm sure most teams would feel that way on either side of the ball.

Way to go LYCO! I wish it wasn't this close, but I'll take it just the same.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CJSJAGS on November 15, 2008, 09:27:37 PM
Well since all the congrats are flyin around for Lyco and DVC I woould also like to throw out a congrats to Albright.  Tough loss today but had a good season.  Congrats to all the co- champs....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
No doubt about it, the Aggies missed their opportunity "in the moment" . Unfortunately they hit a flat spot right in the middle of their schedule when they loss back to back games to FDU and Lyco. Lyco is a very deserving victor and no doubt will represent the MAC well.

There are probably many factors that enter into that flat spot on the schedule with none being bigger than the rash of injuries they suffered along the offensive line during that time. The weather, yes it played a part in the loss at Lyco only to the degree that the Aggies all year have lived and died on the big pass play to score points. That part of their game was negated that day but they had their opportunities and didn't get it done. These are not excuses, just observations.

Whereas the Aggie defense may not have been as strong this year as in the past few they certainly performed well enough in most game to give their offense a chance to win. The only three games in which they didn't score 20 or more points were all losses. Win as a team and lose as a team they stuck together and gave Aggie fans many, many memorable moments. For that I thank the players and coaches for their time and effort. It's been a great ride to have a son come in and win a MAC title four years ago and now leave doing the same.

Go Lyco, Go Del Val and any other MAC team who get another game of football next Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 16, 2008, 12:46:18 AM
"#  D3Keith Says:
November 15th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

Good Lord. The carnage continues.

    Kean rallied to beat Montclair State

This means Ithaca is out of Pool C by way of Pool A, Montclair State, Hampden-Sydney are out by way of defeat.

Maybe it gets so deep two-loss teams start thinking they're back in the mix ... but I don't think it should come to that. W&J is happy I guess. RPI. I guess we'll have to do the two-loss team research though. :(

Cortland State & Muhlenberg blew chances at No. 1 seeds.

Maybe Willamette West, NC North, MUC East and Millsaps south ... and that wasn't pretty.

Otterbein needed OT.

Lycoming is in, thanks to Del Val whooping up on Albright.

Just typing/thinking out loud here." :P

Keith,

As long as you are thinking:

It is only balanced to write that Lycoming is in, thanks to defeating Del Val in head to head competition - since that came first in chronological order and is, indeed, the tie-breaker, it is only fair to say that is how they got in too.

The whooping of Albright is also what kept them from "getting in" another equally fair observation since we are just typing out loud here.

Also - Lycoming is the only one of the three tri-champions to defeat both of the other winners.  Still another fair observation.

ATB


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 16, 2008, 07:48:52 AM
Lyco80,

Today is your day, thump your chest and howl at the moon. Lyco won their shot on the field and for that they deserve congratulations.

Just an observation though, they still suffered two conference losses as did the other co-champs so it's not like they dominated the conference.

Also if you would poll most of the knowledgable MAC observers who saw all of the teams play I am pretty much sure most would be in agreement that of all the teams in the MAC Del Val had the most potential and explosivmess as any. They stubbed their toe twice along the way, it happens to the best. And, in my humble opinion, the Aggies were the best team in the MAC this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 16, 2008, 08:18:02 AM
KS,

Heck, I am howling at the sun too.  After all, first year coach, controversy over the successor to Coach G, picked to finish fifth in the MAC by people who supposedly follow this thing seriously, and sufficient smack talk from other corners.  Come to think of it, I may howl until next season particularly since this place has been an Aggie family reunion the last several seasons.

The MAC was a confused conference this year with parity among the four or five better teams.  Remarkable that some of the teams who struggled were still able to wreak havoc with the eventual champions - three. 

But then - that is why they play the games.


OOOOOHHHHHHHHH it feels so good to howl after years of enforced silence!!!!!!!  I nearly forgot.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WU_Joker on November 16, 2008, 10:54:15 AM
Lyco - Congrats on being the conference champs. I will not make excuses for why my team or any other team didn't pull things out. Nor will I give any back-hand compliments like others. Games aren't won on paper. Ask The Angels and Cubs about that.
You won the conference by getting it done when it matter, regardless of what people say or feel.  Great turnaround, especially with the controversy surrounding the coaching situation.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 16, 2008, 10:59:29 AM
early words are that lyco will have to play mt union in the opening round... if thats the final say when the selections come out later, thats a real tough game to open the playoffs. i give them all the credit in the world for basically coming out of no where and winning the mac, after being picked to tie for fifth in preseason polls, but idk if they can match up against mt union. it will take a huge, flawless effort
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 16, 2008, 11:25:38 AM
For Lyco's sake I hope the D3 predicted matchup vs Mt. Union is incorrect. Although they may not be quite the monster they were in the past they still will dominate any contender from the MAC. Facing a perennial power like them is truly a bad break. It's a long way to go to take a beating. I truly wish them the best of luck but would be very surpeised if they could even keep it close for a half.

Here's hoping that whomever Lyco winds up playing they can put on a great showing and gain some respect for the MAC. It's just a much tougher road going through Ohio.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 16, 2008, 11:31:14 AM
Hey Gordo,

Know you're probably very busy right now but do you have any insight into any possible ECAC match-ups or who is eligible or willing to play!!??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 16, 2008, 11:36:12 AM
dvc is wiling to play, i know they filed, or w/e u do, for a ecac birth just in case they missed the playoffs. now if they get one whats the chances that they host? wouldnt it be great to see a ROWAN vs. DVC ECAC?? just throwing that out there.. i really dont think that mt union has lost much, if anything this year. they only allowed 20 points ONCE this year, and scored over 40 points in 9 of 10 games. i really hope that lyco doesnt get matched up on them. make us proud lyco regardless of who u get
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2008, 02:35:08 PM
KingSting:

Yes, Del Val filed for ECACs.  I went through the potential opponents with Sports Information Director Matt Levy last night and we came up with several including Catholic, Montclair State, Moravian, Johns Hopkins and Kean .  It's tough to predict whom Del Val will play or where until the NCAA pulls some teams out of the mix (or leaves them behind) via Pool C.

Rowan did not file for ECACs so there won't be a rematch of previous years.  And I've been told the ECAC prefers to avoid rematches from the same season, so I don't think Del Val will play Salisbury again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on November 16, 2008, 03:09:00 PM
I don't know who are Lycoming fans here, but all I have to say is:

ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!!!!

Let's Go Bart!!!!! (more serious dicsussion will be forthcoming)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 16, 2008, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: jb on November 15, 2008, 08:36:13 PM
I can only assume most posters have been around the game to understand that you get one shot at it "to win" in the moment. 

It's great that poster are now saying one more time it would be different......

I'm sure most teams would feel that way on either side of the ball.

Way to go LYCO! I wish it wasn't this close, but I'll take it just the same.



just obrservations...when a team beats who dvc did this year and has to play under those conditions it allows 1 to question how good a team is, especially when they stumbled to the finish line. somehow pbr doesnt see lyco beating wesley, salisbury, albright this year. but now you have a chance to prove everyone wrong and play hobart and then muc. if your as good as you claim lyco to be then we shall should see a very close game against muc? if so pbr will gladly eat crow but something tells pbr if you even make it to round 2 that game will not be that close. just a hunch...that being said we wish lyco the best and wish them well and represent the mac well...congrats again to the dvc team and seniors. you guy played an incredibly tough out of conference schedule and gave everyone great memories. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 16, 2008, 03:58:40 PM
PBR,

I think Lycoming did beat Albright on the field - they also beat FDU - who beat DVC.

Perhaps you are right - but in the final analysis DVC did not beat Lycoming otherwise you would be doing the howling - as I might remind you - was your pleasure previously.

Enjoy the Thanksgiving meal this year - Sis has the upper hand for a refreshing change - and tell her you heard it from me first.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 16, 2008, 04:00:59 PM
good luck in the opening round lyco. do the MAC proud guys
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 16, 2008, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: pumkinattack on November 16, 2008, 03:09:00 PM
I don't know who are Lycoming fans here, but all I have to say is:

ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!!!!

Let's Go Bart!!!!! (more serious dicsussion will be forthcoming)

what he said
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 16, 2008, 05:45:55 PM
Great break Lyco in picking up Hobart. Although you will be on the road thia is a much more managable game and quite winable if you play well and protect the ball.

Do the MAC proud and put up a win and earn that trip to Ohio!!!

Glad that DVC will have one more game to play, don't really understand why all teams don't file for the ECAC tournament. A chance to play another quality opponent and extend your season just one more game is well worth it, especially the Seniors who don't want the ride to end.

One more time with gusto..........GOOOOOOOOO AGGIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 16, 2008, 06:59:57 PM
any word on who the aggies will play?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2008, 09:50:35 PM
It'll be announced tomorrow.

Check out www.delval.edu/athletics for the posting.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 16, 2008, 09:59:58 PM
Quote from: KingSting999 on November 16, 2008, 05:45:55 PM
a much more managable game and quite winable if you play well and protect the ball.

more manageable compared to what?

don't underestimate the statesmen - or boswell field.  hobart is banged up with injuries, but certainly capable to winning big or in a close one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 17, 2008, 10:15:12 AM
Word out of Doylestown, ECAC game at home Saturday versus Kean!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 17, 2008, 10:50:48 AM
correct KS its up on dvc website...should be a good game. hopefully the boys from dvc bring their A game and not getting into the playoffs affect their play. this is still a great way to end the season getting to play in 1 more game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 11:44:58 AM
Quotemore manageable compared to what?

More manageable compared to Mount Union.  The posters were comparing Lycoming's actual opponent to our morning projection which had the Warriors playing in Alliance.

No one was selling Hobart short.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 17, 2008, 11:47:13 AM
Upb, You are correct, it should be a good game, and I believe that this team will go out big, as it would be a great way to end the season, and the senior's careers!

Go AGGIES, still think you were deserving of an NCAA at-large since D-III powers that be stated those who got in were selected/not-selected on who they beat and not who they lost to....beating both Wesley and Salisbury is still an awesome feat and the conference deserved more respect than what it was given IMHO
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 17, 2008, 12:24:43 PM
the dvc/kean game will be interesting in that they have agreed to play each other next season and will give us a good look at an opponent next year...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 17, 2008, 01:17:27 PM
any1 know anything about kean?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 17, 2008, 01:29:25 PM
maAggie, no way a three loss team deserved a pool C bid.  DVC would have had to jump, Rowan, MSU and probably RPI before they would be eligible for the pool C bid.  Face it, the East teams blew their chance at pool C bids by not getting it done.  Would I rather see one of the other teams or DVC instead of Curry, yes, but it is not to be.  Plus there were other teams around the country more deserving of Pool C bids that were outside of the East region.  Cortland and Ithaca are the only two teams that really seperated themselves from the East this season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 17, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on November 17, 2008, 01:29:25 PM
maAggie, no way a three loss team deserved a pool C bid.  DVC would have had to jump, Rowan, MSU and probably RPI before they would be eligible for the pool C bid.  Face it, the East teams blew their chance at pool C bids by not getting it done.  Would I rather see one of the other teams or DVC instead of Curry, yes, but it is not to be.  Plus there were other teams around the country more deserving of Pool C bids that were outside of the East region.  Cortland and Ithaca are the only two teams that really seperated themselves from the East this season.

ks, pbr thinks maggie would agree w/ u normally but as maggie earlier point states the selection committee's big criteria for selecting teams was their wins against ooc opponents and wins against them. w/ dvc beating 2 top 10 teams at the time they played them, maggie point was based on that criteria it should of pushed dvc above several of the teams ahead of them. right, wrong, indifferent that where maggie was coming from imho...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheApprentice on November 17, 2008, 02:56:32 PM
"just obrservations...when a team beats who dvc did this year and has to play under those conditions it allows 1 to question how good a team is, especially when they stumbled to the finish line. somehow pbr doesnt see lyco beating wesley, salisbury, albright this year. but now you have a chance to prove everyone wrong and play hobart and then muc. if your as good as you claim lyco to be then we shall should see a very close game against muc?"

"just observations"...but I'm pretty sure Lycoming beat Albright with a pretty convincing performance, the score makes the game closer than it really was....and lost to #12 Ithaca (who is a 2 seed in the playoffs) via a blocked extra point. As for the pitty party for the conditions of the game at Lycoming v.s. DVC...I'm quick to "observe" DVC's 7 fumbles losing 2 v.s. Lycoming's 4 fumbles losng zero. I'm also quick to "observe" they both played at Person field at the same time, under the same conditions, on the same field....so while you offer congratulatory remarks, i'm not so sure you should offer them after trying to excuse your teams "unfair conditions". As for the playoffs, Lycoming is very capable of beating Hobart...and they will matchup against MU just as fairly as any deserving team who gets that opportunity. To think DVC would be any more favored against MU is an extreme overstatement and statistically false in the case between Lycoming or DVC, so I would ask you be slightly more reasonable in your "observations" and realize one thing, Lycoming is in, in 2008. They beat DVC and they beat Albright...can't say much more. Finally, what "claim" do you speak of?? I can only claim Lycoming is better than DVC this year. Thanks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 17, 2008, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: TheApprentice on November 17, 2008, 02:56:32 PM
"just obrservations...when a team beats who dvc did this year and has to play under those conditions it allows 1 to question how good a team is, especially when they stumbled to the finish line. somehow pbr doesnt see lyco beating wesley, salisbury, albright this year. but now you have a chance to prove everyone wrong and play hobart and then muc. if your as good as you claim lyco to be then we shall should see a very close game against muc?"

"just observations"...but I'm pretty sure Lycoming beat Albright with a pretty convincing performance, the score makes the game closer than it really was....and lost to #12 Ithaca (who is a 2 seed in the playoffs) via a blocked extra point. As for the pitty party for the conditions of the game at Lycoming v.s. DVC...I'm quick to "observe" DVC's 7 fumbles losing 2 v.s. Lycoming's 4 fumbles losng zero. I'm also quick to "observe" they both played at Person field at the same time, under the same conditions, on the same field....so while you offer congratulatory remarks, i'm not so sure you should offer them after trying to excuse your teams "unfair conditions". As for the playoffs, Lycoming is very capable of beating Hobart...and they will matchup against MU just as fairly as any deserving team who gets that opportunity. To think DVC would be any more favored against MU is an extreme overstatement and statistically false in the case between Lycoming or DVC, so I would ask you be slightly more reasonable in your "observations" and realize one thing, Lycoming is in, in 2008. They beat DVC and they beat Albright...can't say much more. Finally, what "claim" do you speak of?? I can only claim Lycoming is better than DVC this year. Thanks.


thx for your 1 post this year....see you again next nov...my beef isnt w/ lyco in case your wandering. after all this IS a board where things are debated...heavens to betsy someone might disagree w/ anothers point...bottom line you need a little thicker skin but again we appreciate your yearly post
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on November 17, 2008, 03:45:27 PM
PBR,

  I'd like to make you an offer and cordially invite you as an honorary Statesmen for this saturday.  You seem to like to spend time in the LL board and appear frustrated with the situation in the MAC.  We'd love to have a brother from another (league) mother in our tent.  Care to make the jump?  What kind of beverage selection will it take?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 17, 2008, 04:00:04 PM
Quote from: pumkinattack on November 17, 2008, 03:45:27 PM
PBR,

  I'd like to make you an offer and cordially invite you as an honorary Statesmen for this saturday.  You seem to like to spend time in the LL board and appear frustrated with the situation in the MAC.  We'd love to have a brother from another (league) mother in our tent.  Care to make the jump?  What kind of beverage selection will it take?

pbr has to think about that....pbr is obviously a huge dvc fan and supports the mac strongly whenever possible. pbr's sis is a lyco grad and pbr wants lyco to do well other than when playing dvc. pbr has been over w/ dem boyz on the llpp for a loooong time now and they are some very cool catz and pbr likes to see the LL do well. so pbr needs to mull this one ovah for a bit (although you are quickly finding pbr's heart w/ the alcohol beverage selection....)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheApprentice on November 17, 2008, 04:03:46 PM
PBR,
Chillllllllllllllllll don't get so upset....I understand that your beef is not with Lycoming as my beef is not with you. I simply stated the facts....and your right, after ALL this is a board where things are debated. I never put a personal attack on you...I stated the facts along w/ my reasonable opinion. As for my one post a year....I'm a new member and a person who would like to truly congratulate the Lycoming football team, Coach Clark and staff without an excuse for another team as why they're not in!  

As for "thick skin"....I'll refrain from personal comments. The Apprentice appreciates your concern.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 17, 2008, 06:12:51 PM
Hey Apprentice,

You should be kissing Del Val's butt. Without them thumping Albright this past Saturday you would be home now sitting on your thumbs. Enjoy the moment, nice to see posts like yours that come out of no where. Where were you all year???
Can you say "front runner"???

At least the Del Val fans on here have been backing their team all year long, win or lose. And yes, in my humble opinion, under normal game conditions the Aggies spank Lyco 7 out of 10 times.........but this is just my opinion, am I entitled to that??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 17, 2008, 06:35:41 PM
Question. Did the loss to Ions figure in the Aggies eligibility for the at large bids. I know that no three loss team would get in but without that out of division game the Aggies were 7 - 2, with two wins over ranked opponents.  Anybody have the answer on that?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 06:55:26 PM
It's not a direct answer, but Frank Rossi reported that the Division III Selection Committee Chair referred to Husson as a two-loss team.  Husson's loses came to two Division II teams and one of them (AIC) was just eliminated from the Division II playoffs.  If Husson was a two-loss team, than Del Val certainly may've been a three loss team. 

QuoteWhen I brought up Husson, his reaction was, "Well, they're a two-loss team."  He went on to discuss that the Committee cannot simply stop at Primary Criteria in general when deciding teams for the Football Championships because there are simply not enough games played to allow such a low number of statistics to control the selection.  Stated differently, Secondary Criteria are going to apply just as much and as quickly as Primary Criteria.  In a sport like basketball, in which 30+ games are generally played, the Primary Criteria/Secondary Criteria hierarchy can work.  However, in football, his belief is that they need to enter into a full discussion immediately, even weighing criteria like scores and some subjective standards when looking at Pool B and Pool C teams.  This would explain the treatment of Husson and SJF in the Regional Rankings thus far.

Here is the full post from Frank.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4728.msg976152#msg976152
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 17, 2008, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2008, 06:55:26 PM
It's not a direct answer, but Frank Rossi reported that the Division III Selection Committee Chair referred to Husson as a two-loss team.  Husson's loses came to two Division II teams and one of them (AIC) was just eliminated from the Division II playoffs.  If Husson was a two-loss team, than Del Val certainly may've been a three loss team. 

QuoteWhen I brought up Husson, his reaction was, "Well, they're a two-loss team."  He went on to discuss that the Committee cannot simply stop at Primary Criteria in general when deciding teams for the Football Championships because there are simply not enough games played to allow such a low number of statistics to control the selection.  Stated differently, Secondary Criteria are going to apply just as much and as quickly as Primary Criteria.  In a sport like basketball, in which 30+ games are generally played, the Primary Criteria/Secondary Criteria hierarchy can work.  However, in football, his belief is that they need to enter into a full discussion immediately, even weighing criteria like scores and some subjective standards when looking at Pool B and Pool C teams.  This would explain the treatment of Husson and SJF in the Regional Rankings thus far.

Here is the full post from Frank.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4728.msg976152#msg976152


good stuff as usual gordon...would love to see the final bubble teams that didnt make it and where dvc fell and their thoughts behind that. imho that would give a lot of insight to his comments of ooc scheduling and the weight it carries. at that point teams would know how difficult of ooc scheduling to do and where it rank at seasons end. hence why so many divI-A hoops teams play difficult schedules now as teams are rewarded for playing top 10 teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheApprentice on November 17, 2008, 07:46:39 PM
Hey KingSting,

Re: "front-runner"
Front runner? Just because you've been a front-runner since we'll say 2003 (if you've even been one for that long?) I really don't think it has been that hard to back DelVal, considering they've been outstanding in the past 5 seasons. I really don't find it neccesary to call me one, simply because I haven't been posting on d3football.com message boards. This really doesn't show who is a "true fan" ..... I stated facts and opinion...which I am allowed to do on here. I have been a Lycoming football fan ever since being introduced to it in 2000. I am not a "front-runner" although your weak assessments do not phase me, I am interested in putting your shallow comment to rest. Have you always been proud of your Aggies (which maybe you have been) or just since maybe around 2003? ??? I agree however, you are entitled 100% to your opinion...but with all due respect to you KingSting, your "humble opinion" of DVC would win 7 out of 10 games against Lyco....is totally irrelevant in what matters....and what matters is the MAC automatic birth to the NCAA D-III Playoffs goes to......Lycoming College.

Delaware Valley Football
1999 (2-8, 2-7 MAC)
2000 (3-7, 3-6 MAC)
2001 (3-7, 2-7 MAC)
2002 (2-8, 1-8 MAC

To real DVC fans, I appreciate your teams success against Albright, and I do agree that DelVal has come to be a perenial powerhouse in the MAC and my hat is off to the program and  how far they have come. Once again, my earlier comments to PBR were simply a stand for Lycoming and what they've overcome in their rise back to the top of the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on November 18, 2008, 12:44:30 AM
Hello all,

I would like to personally congratulate Lycoming on there MAC Championship, as well as DVC for there strong surge this year in tieing Lyco, as well as Albright.

As far as all this What if talk... What happens on the field any given saturday in the mac happens. there is nothing that can be done about it someone wins and someone loses. I personally have supported all mac teams in the playoff runs the past 10+ years. I think some o these Lyco Dvc battle are just absurd i understand your passion for the programs. But what happened happened end of story.

Thanks to all...


Go Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 18, 2008, 01:59:59 AM
First up, my original post from Saturday evening dose not seem to have made it on here, so I will again offer my congrats to Lycoming and their fans on a well-deserved championship run. Best wishes in the NCAAs and enjoy the trip, as a playoff overnighter is one of the true treats of D3 football. Also congrats to Albright and DVC on the co-championship and best wishes in the ECAC games- the ECACs can be a true confidence booster and program-builder if the team take advantage of the opportunity.

Now, I have had quite a laugh over the last few days seeing this little debate between the Lyco and DVC crowds over who would have beaten who in what weather and who has the better team at the end of the day. Coming from a fan outside of either school who tasted two NCAA appearences during my stint in working in the league, please allow for my take.....

When the MAC season kicks off, we are now able to crown a true champion because all eight teams play head-to-head and therefore there is a tiebreaker for any matchup. This was not the case as recently as 2006, when all MAC teams played 9 conference opponents on a rotating basis. In those days, as many of you will remember, you could possibly have two teams run the table in the MAC with only one automatic bid to earn- for awhile in 2004 it looked as if that would occur between DVC and Moravian, who did not meet in the regular season that year- and there were only four Pool C bids to earn!!! Now, each team gets a shot at one another, and that is the best format we can ask for in my opinion.

When it comes time to play the games, I really get a kick out of some of the factors you guys consider in how the championship is decided. In terms of weather, it would indeed be great if every game is played on a good day, but if it rains or snows, then it rains and snows for both teams and both squads need to find a way to win. In looking at both DVC and Lyco this season, I thought DVC had the better rushing attack with Matt Cook and that big O-line, while Lyco seemed to be more of a passing team- shoulden't that give the Aggies an edge in the rain, even on the road?

Then, it terms of who has the better tradition and has the edge in the series history, I refer you to my earlier posts where I note that every team in the league beings the year with a 0-0 record in conference play- style points for past championships don't count. Each team in the MAC has a chance to defeat all of their conference opponents in the quest for the MAC title, and the team that has the best record (including the head-to-head tiebreakers) gets to rightfully take home the title. This means that FDU, LVC, and DVC-with meager championship histories, have the same right to challenge for the MAC title as Widener and Lycomng and all of their tradition.

My bottom line for all of you Warrior and Aggie fans is twofold. First, Lyco and DVC both had to play in the rain- I am sure neither coach wanted it that way- and Lycoming played better that day. Both teams had their shot at each other, and Lyco earned the right to the tiebreaker in this case. Second, while I don't agree with weather as an excuse for a win/loss, the DVC fans should be just as proud as the Lyco/Widener faithful in expressign their opinions and posting up, regardless of what team has more wins or playoff appearences. I have a deep appreciation of tradition and salute the many, many great players and coaches who have established a championship tradition at Lyco. But the 2008 MAC title was won by the 2008 Lycoming Warriors- not the Warriros teams from the 70's/80's/90's. Every season is a new beginning, and this team earned the automatic bid based on this year's record.

Good luck to everyone in your games this weekend, and I look forward to seeing the results.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 18, 2008, 07:26:47 AM
hey gordon any word from matt levy on who dvc's ooc opponents will be next year besides kean?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 18, 2008, 07:41:18 AM
2003  Del Val 38 Lyco 27
2004 Del Val 38 Lyco 27
2005 Del Val 26 Lyco 19
2006 Del Val 17 Lyco 16
2007 Del Val 31 Lyco 0 (that had to sting)

Now I understand your pain and frustration apprentice, now I understand what brought you out of the woodwork.

You are right, I haven't been an Aggie fan for long, just the four years my son has played there. These ar the only four years I really concern myself with. I am truly sorry if that doesn't meet your standards of a real fan.

2008 Lyco 10 Del Val 7 . Congratulations, you finally got that monkey off your back! Now just be careful he doesn't junp back on there next year.

As much as I hate to say it, my time on this board is coming to an end. I will stop by occasionally and check it out but doubt if I will post much. I will move on with my life as will my son and discover new ways to pass the free time I have. The Aggies will always hold a spot in my heart and I will always be a fan.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 18, 2008, 07:44:26 AM
Sorry, screwed up the scores on previous post: Should read
03 - DV wins 38 -27
04 DV wins 26 -19
05 DV wins 31 -13
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 18, 2008, 07:55:31 AM
Quote from: TheApprentice on November 17, 2008, 07:46:39 PM
... I do agree that DelVal has come to be a perenial powerhouse in the MAC ....

"[A] perenial [sic!] powerhouse in the MAC"? Hardly. A good team, yes. Excellent, at times, of course, in recent seasons.

It's been a while since there's been a genuine "powerhouse" in the MAC (Lyco of old, in the days of the nine-game schedule, comes to mind ... sort of). In fact, in all of D3 right now, there's likely only one outfit that meets the definition of powerhouse -- and it's located in Alliance, Ohio.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 18, 2008, 08:34:29 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 18, 2008, 07:55:31 AM
Quote from: TheApprentice on November 17, 2008, 07:46:39 PM
... I do agree that DelVal has come to be a perenial powerhouse in the MAC ....

"[A] perenial [sic!] powerhouse in the MAC"? Hardly. A good team, yes. Excellent, at times, of course, in recent seasons.

It's been a while since there's been a genuine "powerhouse" in the MAC (Lyco of old, in the days of the nine-game schedule, comes to mind ... sort of). In fact, in all of D3 right now, there's likely only one outfit that meets the definition of powerhouse -- and it's located in Alliance, Ohio.

interesting point warren, guess it comes down to everyones definition....imho was dvc a powerhouse in the mac absolutely. were they a dynasty? no in fact imho no mac college team has been a dynasty ever....(except for maybe dvc's wrestling team  ;D)  BUT MUC pbr would definetly say is a dynasty no doubt about it

btw dvc wrestling team is preseason #3 in the nation...   8)

and yes lyco, susque, widener also had times where they were the powerhouse of the mac as well....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheApprentice on November 18, 2008, 09:02:06 AM

Mr. Thompson,
I apologize, maybe my claim that DVC has been a perennial powerhouse in the MAC stretches what you believe defines "powerhouse". I was basing my statement on the fact that in three seasons (2003-2005) DVC was 26-2 in MAC games, also from 2003-present they have racked up a conference record of 44-8. So in my theory, they have been a perennial powerhouse in the MAC of recent simply because their conference record for five years has been tremendous making them a powerhouse in the MAC, year in and year out...MUC surely is a powerhouse, but honestly who is not aware of that?

KingSting,
I know players that were at DVC and helped turn that program around, and I've often offered congratulations to them about where they've helped get their program. With that, I understand your proud of your son, and I would be too. That has nothing to do w/ any of my posts...I'd like to keep it to the facts. (Not trying to make any of this personal) Congratulations to your son and the Aggies as well as the rest of the MAC for an awesome year of football.

Thanks,
Thee Apprentice
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2008, 09:05:42 AM
PBR:

Del Val will open at home against Johns Hopkins and then travel to Kean.  The third game is still up in the air.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 18, 2008, 09:09:41 AM
Jeez! Now I'm really feeling my age. The Apprentice called me "mister."  :'(  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 18, 2008, 09:22:28 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 18, 2008, 09:09:41 AM
Jeez! Now I'm really feeling my age. The Apprentice called me "mister."  :'(  ;)

LOL...come on warren your the bionic man now....you should feel 30 years younger after the rehab is finished!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 18, 2008, 10:38:49 AM
Warren out for a jog during his rehab:

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfgate.com%2Fblogs%2Fimages%2Fsfgate%2Fparenting%2F2007%2F11%2F06%2F1657_0002.jpg&hash=9e18951eb05fc5a578b80c6e11934f7ff12ef9da)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 18, 2008, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on November 18, 2008, 10:38:49 AM
Warren out for a jog during his rehab:

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Don't I wish. My in-hospital PT lady was about that good looking, but her demanding regimen would make Navy SEALS cry for mercy ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 18, 2008, 10:58:12 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 18, 2008, 09:05:42 AM
PBR:

Del Val will open at home against Johns Hopkins and then travel to Kean.  The third game is still up in the air.

 Gordon

Tell em who that third game is  OR WAS supposed to be ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 18, 2008, 11:00:16 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 18, 2008, 09:09:41 AM
Jeez! Now I'm really feeling my age. The Apprentice called me "mister."  :'(  ;)

Look out Warren ..Sir  is next LOL
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 18, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
To the Apprentice,

Thanks for your reply, I apologize for getting a little heavy handed in my blogs. I truly do wish for Lyco to do well in the upcoming playoffs. I do think that Hobart is very beatable if you guys play well.  A strong showing by Lyco would be a boost for the MAC, just as the Aggies two wins over Wesley and Salisbury. We may have different opinions when it comes to playing each other, however it's just like most families, "It's okay for us to pick on each other, but just try and let someone from the outside do it, fight one, fight all!!!"

Good Luck to Lyco, Albright and Del Val this weekend, bring home three wins for the MAC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheApprentice on November 18, 2008, 02:48:56 PM
Sounds good KingSting. Thanks for the response!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 18, 2008, 03:01:39 PM
I posted a Hobart-Lycoming "preview" on the LL board if anyone here is interested. 

Very even match up, but being a homer I am picking Bart to win in a very close contest.

Good luck this Saturday in Geneva.

Any Lyco or MAC fans driving up for the game here is a helpful link from the Bart website:


Driving directions:

http://www.hws.edu/about/driving.aspx

Places to stay/eat:

http://www.hws.edu/admissions/places_to_stay.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheApprentice on November 18, 2008, 05:55:24 PM
Appreciate the directions link....looking forward to a good game in New York. Weather should be nice and cozy I assume!

What are the Hobart injuries as of late heading into the playoffs??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 18, 2008, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: TheApprentice on November 18, 2008, 05:55:24 PM
Appreciate the directions link....looking forward to a good game in New York. Weather should be nice and cozy I assume!

What are the Hobart injuries as of late heading into the playoffs??

starting TE and RB's are out.  starting QB has a separated shoulder, few other guys banged up here and there - not unusual after a long season.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 19, 2008, 07:42:09 AM
ECAC Game between Kean and Del Val looks like it might be an offensive barnburner. Teams seem like mirror images of one another on paper.

Kean averages 33.4 points per game and allow 23.9.
Del Val 26.2 and 19.5

Each team has one feature running back
Kean - Chunn 137.5 yds per game
Cook - 116.9 yds per game

Quarterbacks
Kean - D'Ambrisi 184.4 yds per game  - 135.56 efficiency rating
          16 TD's 14 interceptions
Del Val - Isgro 165.3 yds per game - 137.51 efficiency rating
          21 TD's 4 interceptions

Wow, look for some points to be scored barring foul weather.  Looks like it could be a 45 - 42 game. I guess which ever defense can find a way to slow down the other team's offense will have the upper hand. I wouldn't look for alot of punts in this one and it could be really enjoyable as both coaches could use every play in the playbook and gamble at anytime.

Looking forward to one moore game at home where the Aggies have done pretty well this season (only losing to Iona in the season opener). One advantage that the Aggies may hold, and it's one that has been proven over the years, Kean is a turf team and will be playing on the real stuff. It just seems to me to bring some of the speed advantage other teams may have back to a neutral factor.

No matter the outcome, it's been one hell of a ride for the Aggies over the past six years. This will be my son's final game so it will be very emotional for our entire family. Win or lose it's been great, his class entered with a MAC championship and leave with one. He's number "5" in the program and will always be number "1" in our hearts.

One final time, with gusto......GOOOOOOO AGGGGGIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 19, 2008, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: KingSting999 on November 19, 2008, 07:42:09 AM
ECAC Game between Kean and Del Val looks like it might be an offensive barnburner. Teams seem like mirror images of one another on paper.

Kean averages 33.4 points per game and allow 23.9.
Del Val 26.2 and 19.5

Each team has one feature running back
Kean - Chunn 137.5 yds per game
Cook - 116.9 yds per game

Quarterbacks
Kean - D'Ambrisi 184.4 yds per game  - 135.56 efficiency rating
          16 TD's 14 interceptions
Del Val - Isgro 165.3 yds per game - 137.51 efficiency rating
          21 TD's 4 interceptions

Wow, look for some points to be scored barring foul weather.  Looks like it could be a 45 - 42 game. I guess which ever defense can find a way to slow down the other team's offense will have the upper hand. I wouldn't look for alot of punts in this one and it could be really enjoyable as both coaches could use every play in the playbook and gamble at anytime.

Looking forward to one moore game at home where the Aggies have done pretty well this season (only losing to Iona in the season opener). One advantage that the Aggies may hold, and it's one that has been proven over the years, Kean is a turf team and will be playing on the real stuff. It just seems to me to bring some of the speed advantage other teams may have back to a neutral factor.

No matter the outcome, it's been one hell of a ride for the Aggies over the past six years. This will be my son's final game so it will be very emotional for our entire family. Win or lose it's been great, his class entered with a MAC championship and leave with one. He's number "5" in the program and will always be number "1" in our hearts.

One final time, with gusto......GOOOOOOO AGGGGGIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

congrats to your son on a great career! well done! Hoping for another aggies win as pbr wont be there in person but will be in spirit (sorry vacation trumps football game) and make sure to keep coming back to aggie games next year
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 19, 2008, 11:31:09 AM
Congratulations due to the following Aggies on being selected All Conference:

First Team
Mike Isgro QB
Matt Cook RB
Ralph Stambaugh OL
Kyle Gesswein LB
Charlie Squitiere DB

Second Team
Derek Porter DL

Offensive Player of the Year - Mike Isgro

Way to go Aggies - You made us Proud!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 19, 2008, 03:14:11 PM
Indeed, my congrats to all of this season's all-conference selections, and in particular to the following players from Wilkes:

First Team

- Jason Prushinski (WR)
- Josh George (OL)
- Chris Horn (K)

Second Team

- Drew Letcavage (LB)
- Kevin Gerhart (DB)
- Airiel Adams (RS)
- Mario Della Fortuna (P)


Again, congrats to all the players selected, and best of luck to the teams still playing this weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 19, 2008, 04:25:23 PM
Warren,

Fear not the "Sir" for as a Captain in the United States Navy, to quote the movie, "I am quite certain I have earned it."

Go Warriors - on travel with a Flag Officer - Iwakuni today; Sasebo tomorrow.

DVC has added to the luster of the MAC and made things more interesting and at times humbling for the Warriors.

Winning tough games is the best - blowouts are dull.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 19, 2008, 06:19:50 PM
Lyco80,

At long last I have learned your rank and branch of service- thanks for the info. As there are not many O-6 billits around, I would imagine it comes with quite a bit of responsibility, so best wishes to you and your command.

In regards to the third game in 2009 that several of you were discussing for DVC, I believe next season is when the agreement kicks in between the MAC and the Presidents Athletic Conference for a two-year series between the conferences. As I remember, the opponents were going to be determined by order of finish this season, so that may pit DVC against....Washington & Jefferson, and Lyco gets Thomas Moore? Interesting matchups for sure, but there will be plenty of time for that topic in the off-season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheApprentice on November 19, 2008, 07:03:47 PM
Can someone inform me of the criteria involved in selecting the MAC All-Conference teams?

How did Joe Brennan not make first team with 44 catches for 813 yrds. and 9 TD's?

What about Shellenberger for at least second team? 618 yrds. and 5 TD's, and drawing double teams each week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 19, 2008, 07:29:32 PM
The All-Conference teams are chosen by the coaches.  Each coach "nominates" his players that he believes worthy.  Then, the head coaches vote for who they think should be the selections.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 20, 2008, 09:46:08 AM
G-manWu:

The PAC/MAC challenge kicks in the following year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 20, 2008, 09:56:14 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on November 19, 2008, 06:19:50 PM
Lyco80,


In regards to the third game in 2009 that several of you were discussing for DVC, I believe next season is when the agreement kicks in between the MAC and the Presidents Athletic Conference for a two-year series between the conferences. As I remember, the opponents were going to be determined by order of finish this season, so that may pit DVC against....Washington & Jefferson, and Lyco gets Thomas Moore? Interesting matchups for sure, but there will be plenty of time for that topic in the off-season.

As I recall, Thomas More opted not to participate in the MAC/PrAC inter-league competition. Travel costs, perhaps?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2008, 11:08:46 AM
Well, there are 9 PAC schools and 8 MAC schools, so someone had to sit. Only makes sense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 20, 2008, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2008, 11:08:46 AM
Well, there are 9 PAC schools and 8 MAC schools, so someone had to sit. Only makes sense.

What would the two conferences have done had Thomas More chosen to participate?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 21, 2008, 01:14:43 AM
Pat,

Thanks for the info- my error on that one. I ran into Ken Andrews at halftime of the Wilkes-DVC game a few weeks ago and was going to ask him for the details on that, so thanks for informing the misinformed!

On Thomas Moore, I knew that one PAC school was located down in KY, but I did not know what one until now. In that case it dose make sense, as travel costs/time factor in. Plus, I am reasonably sure none of the MAC schools use the bluegrass state as a big recruting ground, so it makes sense from that standpoint. I think many of the MAC schools have done a good job of scheduling matchups that involve prominent opponents, help in recruting key areas, and maintain some traditional rivalries. Hopefully the new PAC-MAC agreement will be a positive for both sides in this regard.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 21, 2008, 07:23:14 PM
It's quiet in these parts, but for anyone interested and lurking...

ECAC South Atlantic Bowl

Delaware Valley (7-3)
vs.
Kean (7-3)

Please click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/il83winlive3147.asx) to listen.

The festivities begin early with pregame at 11:40 am and kickoff at 1 pm.  We'll keep people updated on the Albright/Montclair and Hobart/Lycoming games.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jb on November 21, 2008, 10:44:50 PM
Best of Luck to all the MAC Schools tomorrow!  Here's hoping to be 3-0.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 22, 2008, 03:20:45 PM
Aggies are ECAC Champions with the 16-7 win over Kean. Congrats seniors, thats a great way to go out. thanks for your hard work over these last four years
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 22, 2008, 04:20:38 PM
Ugh - the same thing that plagued the Warriors in their MAC losses - turnovers - showed up on a snowy and cold upstate NY football field.

I have not read the story line but you cannot win at this level by giving the ball away - it deflates your morale, gets you zero points, often gives your opponent better than average field position.  Need I say more?

My heartiest congratulations to Albright and DVC who finished as winners.

For Lycoming to be in the playoffs and a tri-champ of the MAC is a remarkable accomplishment that should not be lost like they did with the possession of the rock today.

Hats off to Coach Clark and now let's get those hot recruits who may be tempted to spend their years in Reading, Doylestown, Annville, Chester, or Wilkes-Barre.

Thanks for a good season Warriors!

Hail Lycoming!!!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 22, 2008, 05:59:19 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 22, 2008, 04:20:38 PM
Ugh - the same thing that plagued the Warriors in their MAC losses - turnovers - showed up on a snowy and cold upstate NY football field.

I have not read the story line but you cannot win at this level by giving the ball away - it deflates your morale, gets you zero points, often gives your opponent better than average field position.  Need I say more?

My heartiest congratulations to Albright and DVC who finished as winners.

For Lycoming to be in the playoffs and a tri-champ of the MAC is a remarkable accomplishment that should not be lost like they did with the possession of the rock today.

Hats off to Coach Clark and now let's get those hot recruits who may be tempted to spend their years in Reading, Doylestown, Annville, Chester, or Wilkes-Barre.

Thanks for a good season Warriors!

Hail Lycoming!!!

ATB

This is true.  Congrats to Lyco, you guys gave us a tough game, but it's hard for any team to win - especially in the play-offs - if you throw 4 INTs.

Congrats on a great season and good luck in 09.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 23, 2008, 11:04:34 AM
Congratulations go out to the Delaware Valley Aggies  and the Albright Lions on their impressive victories over two of the NJAC's best teams.  To see the Albright team bounce back from the loss they suffered last week and completely take it to Monclair State was impressive. Their players should hold their heads high for that effort against a team that many were shocked not to get an at large bid to the NCAA playoffs.

What the Aggies defense did yesterday was truly impressive. They held a team that was averaging 33+ points a game  to one lone 4th quarter touchdown. Kean was able to move the ball through the air gaining almost 200 yards in less than ideal conditions but the Aggies completely shut down their ground game limiting them to a paltry 31 yards all day long. On a day when moving the ball on the ground and eating up clock was paramount the Aggies certainly proved superior on both sides of the ball.

Sitting in the stands, on a cold and windy day, was well worth it to see the boys of fall give it one more go! The Delaware Valley football team has given me and my family four great years of memories that we will cherish for years to come. Coach  Clements should be commended for his hard work and dedication along with his staff. I shall truly miss these  times but hopefully will attend an Aggies game from time to time in the future.

I believe that most MAC observers would agree that over the last four weeks of the  season the Aggies were by far the most dominant team in the division. It's a shame that they suffered those two blips on the radar in mid season but that's football. Good teams respond to adversity and the Aggies certainly proved that they are a truly good team. It's nice to go out on a winning note so maybe it's just as well they didn't get the NCAA bid

Congrates also to Lyco on a nice effort at Hobart. I believe the MAC teams all represented themselves with pride and earned the MAC some props!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 23, 2008, 07:53:22 PM
Well, the 2008 MAC football season has come to a close. Congrats again to the tri-champs in DVC, Lyco, + Albright. Additionally, big props to the Aggies and Albright on their ECAC championships over two NJAC teams. It looks as if the once mighty NJAC is merely a shadow of it's previously powerful self. Both MAC teams owned their NJAC opponents and deserve a great deal of credit for their performances. All too often the ECAC game seems to be a let-down to those teams whose aspirations included the NCAA's, but both Albright's seniors, and Del Val's class of '09 didn't allow that to happen and went out with a Championship win.

This season was quite a rollar coaster and as usual nothing could be taken for granted in the highly competitive MAC conference.  As was previously stated, it was a priviledge and pleasure to be an Aggie fan over the past 4 years. They certainly were a thrill to watch and I will miss Saturdays in PA. It's funny how things turn out, as my son was recruited by the highly regarded GA Mangus, and decided to stay and finish his career at Del Val under the untested Jim Clements. It was a good decision and our family is proud to have our son play for the young coach. He is a principled man who had the unenviable task of following GA, the man who turned the Aggies program into a winner. For him to win the MAC and ECAC game in just his 3rd year as head coach, is something of great pride. Another thought that struck me as I watched the MAC's Offensive Player of the Year on Saturday; here's a kid who came in as a Freshman and had to take over for a guy who was one of the best QB's in D-III history (according to the record books). His freshman year was certainly not an easy one, but my how far he's come! Hat's off to Mike on an outstanding season and congrats to him and all the Aggies on their post-season awards.

Thanks for the memories Aggies! They are all good ones...here's hoping the 2009 season brings another MAC championship and a return to the NCAA's!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 05, 2008, 06:23:17 PM
Crazy Question:
I was wondering if anyone by chance would have a copy of the 2002 Mud Bowl 4 overtime game between FDU an DVC. The game was played at FDU. I have been in touch with both programs. DVC's tape ended up being no good and FDU cannot find the tape. Just wondering if any parents had a copy.....Any help would be great...Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 05, 2008, 08:35:57 PM
bossman
remind me of this next week....I'll look into it, but I have a feeling that the tape was destroyed due to poor conditions....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bossman05 on December 09, 2008, 07:22:24 PM
Hey bill, any luck with the FDU game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on December 11, 2008, 01:23:24 AM
Congrats go out to Lycoming's Coach Mike Clark on East Coach of the year as well as MAC coach of the year. Also congrats to Guerds and Belitto on defensive all east honors.

Go warriors
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 11, 2008, 07:40:46 AM
pbr would love to head to wartburg college on 1/31/09 as #1 wartburg college takes on #3 ranked delaware valley college. that is going to be a huge match head to head. dvc once again is the beast of the east and dominating. even taking on div I and II colleges and beating them. that will be a spectacular match to see in person. these 2 teams and wrestlers are familiar w/ each other from meeting up at the national championships.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 11, 2008, 12:17:19 PM
also congrats to 4 dvc players making the d3football all east team....

Sophomore linebacker Kyle Gesswein, junior cornerback Charles Squitiere, senior offensive tackle Ralph Stambaugh, junior quarterback Mike Isgro

3 out of 4 returning...nice
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on December 12, 2008, 03:07:14 AM
havent been on here much this season due to outside commitments but to all poster on the MAC board...Happy Holidays and safe journeys...Hope to be back more next season

All The Best
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 12, 2008, 02:20:29 PM
Bossman

I just finished ransacking the closet for the 2002 game. It's not there; none of it - no wide, no tight, no checkerboard....
Could be a conspiracy  :D

I was not coaching at FDU that season, but I think the tapes didn't make it.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 22, 2008, 07:55:59 AM
congrats to dvc's wrestling team who put a beatdown on 2 Division I programs over the weekend and showed they are worthy of their #3 ranking nationally.

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2008/12/19/WRES_davidson-delstate.aspx?path=wrestling


and gordon you ARE going to accept your next mission and travel out to Wartburg to see the two titans #1 Wartburg vs. #3 DVC duke it out head to head and report it for d3sports correct?  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Findtheball on December 25, 2008, 10:13:45 AM
              Merry Christmas to all !!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 05, 2009, 09:37:25 AM
congrats to dvc's wrestling team on putting a beating on 3 nationally ranked teams. 2 big matches looming...the national duals and when dvc travels to wartburg for the head to head match. gordon will you be reporting for d3sports?    ;)


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/1/3/WRES_09northsouth_duals.aspx?path=wrestling
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on January 05, 2009, 12:40:36 PM
PBR

you were supposed to beat those teams....that's why you're ranked HIGHER...right? ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 05, 2009, 01:41:23 PM
Quote from: bman on January 05, 2009, 12:40:36 PM
PBR

you were supposed to beat those teams....that's why you're ranked HIGHER...right? ;)

HA!.. well played...in fact your probably right as dvc got tired of pitching shutouts in the mac (not much of a challenge there...) and moved on to div I and II schools... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 09, 2009, 11:21:32 PM
uPBR:

I think that's just a wee bit outside my driving territory. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 12, 2009, 12:00:12 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 09, 2009, 11:21:32 PM
uPBR:

I think that's just a wee bit outside my driving territory. :)



HA!  greyhound is your friend...(or ask the coach to jump on the team ride out there!) btw dvc is closing in on wartburg and augsburg as at the national duals took augsburg to the wall in a losing effort 25-17 in the semifinals but justified their #3 ranking by beating #4 Coe in the consolation brackets.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 12, 2009, 01:36:09 PM
fyi...former dvc coach g.a. mangus has moved from OC at mtsu to university of south carolina's qb coach.

http://gamecocksonline.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010909aae.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on January 12, 2009, 02:22:52 PM
definitely moving to a more premier program
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 12, 2009, 02:26:19 PM
Quote from: bman on January 12, 2009, 02:22:52 PM
definitely moving to a more premier program

and getting paid about twice what he was currently making...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 28, 2009, 02:17:10 PM
dvc crushes nationally ranked div II school shippensburg in wrestling and now sets their sites on 4th ranked coe on friday in a match and #2 ranked wartburg on sat. night...go aggies!!!

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/1/27/WRES_09shippensburg.aspx?path=wrestling
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 29, 2009, 07:54:45 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on January 28, 2009, 02:17:10 PM
dvc crushes nationally ranked div II school shippensburg in wrestling and now sets their sites on 4th ranked coe on friday in a match and #2 ranked wartburg on sat. night...go aggies!!!

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/1/27/WRES_09shippensburg.aspx?path=wrestling

fyi looks like dvc's matches against the top wrestling teams will be streamed online this weekend if anyone is interested in watching...

http://www.coeathletics.com/f/Video_Broadcast.php

http://wartburgtv.org/



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 23, 2009, 08:00:55 AM
congrats to dvc's wrestling team winning its 3rd straight midwest regional wrestling title. 5 champions and sending 6 wrestlers total to the national championships while ranked #2 in the nation...definetly in the cards to make a run at the national championship

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/2/21/WRES_09regionals.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on February 27, 2009, 05:34:08 PM
 uPBRmeASAP
Good to see the DELVAL wrestlers will be well represented at nationals. I watched Rocky Mantella as a mere 45 pounder a long time ago.

gordonmann

What's up with the MAC teams? Del VAL and Lycoming both have open dates to fill and both declined to play Wesley?  Widener couldn't decline Wesley's invite fast enough last year.   You would think with the teams still needing games that a top non conference game opponent would be a good warm-up for the conference schedule.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco bleeds BLUE and GOLD on February 27, 2009, 06:13:21 PM
PA_Wesleyfan,

Lyco has no open dates for the 09 season, Open with Rowan at home, then a trip Bridgewater, and then Susquehanna. Then MAC play.

Go Lyco
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on February 27, 2009, 06:24:40 PM
I was just suprised that they opted out of a oral agreement to play Wesley and pick up Rowan instead. It's possible that Del Val has filled  out their scedule  by now too. As good as Del Val should be it could have become a great rivalry with both teams recruiting the same areas  in S.E Pa and and NJ
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 27, 2009, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on February 27, 2009, 06:24:40 PM
I was just suprised that they opted out of a oral agreement to play Wesley and pick up Rowan instead. It's possible that Del Val has filled  out their scedule  by now too. As good as Del Val should be it could have become a great rivalry with both teams recruiting the same areas  in S.E Pa and and NJ

well based on who got the at large bids this year imho the judges showed that playing a tough schedule and being rewarded for that werent in that cards. they seemed to go strictly by record, unlike march madness where your rewarded for playing tough opponents the at large bids seemed to go to teams with 1 more win against a weak sister opponent and no one was rewarded for playing tough schedules. so as much as pbr would love to continue seeing a great rivalry form imo the judges have spoken and are encouraging teams to play weak opponents and pad your record.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on March 03, 2009, 11:21:07 AM
PA Wesley fan
Please stop already with the nonsense about everyone ducking Wesley. You have been continually commenting on the same topic for almost two years. I will state this for again, I agree, Wesley is  a good team and located close to many MAC schools. However, it is not beneficial to compete against them because they are not in the same region. Also it is my understanding that all of the schools that you have listed have a full schedule without any open dates. It has nothing to do with searching out easier opponents. I would not consider Rowan an easy game for Lyco. Furthermore, WU is playing Ithica and Curry on the road this year on back to back weeks I certainly would not consider that an easy task. They simply wanted to play all of their games within the eastern region
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2009, 04:19:09 PM
By the 200-mile rule, Wesley is in-region for the following MAC schools:

Wilkes: 181 miles
Widener: 62 miles
Lebanon Valley: 131 miles
King's: 180 miles
FDU-Florham: 169 miles, plus they are in the same NCAA administrative region
Delaware Valley: 104 miles
Albright: 110 miles

That leaves Lyco. Only MAC school for which Wesley is NOT in-region.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 06, 2009, 02:31:32 PM
dvc off to a great start in the national championships in wrestling 4-0 thru first round matches and several wrestlers still to go
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on April 09, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
 Looks like Wesley will be going to Doylestown again this year. I don't know if it's a two year deal or not but it should be another tough game for both teams early in the season. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 17, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
PA_Wesley:

Del Val plays Kean and Johns Hopkins for the first time in the regular season this year.  I thought those would be at least two-year deals which, plus the MAC-PAC challenge, would give fill out the Aggies' 2010 schedule.  But someone reminded me that JHU's schedule is in flux now that Susquehanna joins the Centennial.  So maybe Del Val will have room for Wesley in 2010.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 20, 2009, 03:44:13 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on April 17, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
PA_Wesley:

Del Val plays Kean and Johns Hopkins for the first time in the regular season this year.  I thought those would be at least two-year deals which, plus the MAC-PAC challenge, would give fill out the Aggies' 2010 schedule.  But someone reminded me that JHU's schedule is in flux now that Susquehanna joins the Centennial.  So maybe Del Val will have room for Wesley in 2010.

per wesley's press release on d3football.com.... wesley/dvc this year on wesleys sched.

Sep. 19  1:00 PM  at Delaware Valley • 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 12, 2009, 08:16:11 AM
fyi DVC's Football 2009 Schedule Officially Released on DVCs Website

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/5/11/FB_09SCHEDULE.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on May 29, 2009, 11:23:51 PM
Del Val ranked number five by Sporting News College Football Preview mag. Lyco is #24 and Lebanon Valley is among the Others to watch. Aggie LB Kyle Gesswein is on their preseason All-American team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 03, 2009, 05:12:46 PM
Nice recognition for Kyle, who is a tremendous pass rusher.

Nice recognition for Del Val, too, I guess - though I can't see them being No. 5 in our poll.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 03, 2009, 06:19:15 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 03, 2009, 05:12:46 PM
Nice recognition for Kyle, who is a tremendous pass rusher.

Nice recognition for Del Val, too, I guess - though I can't see them being No. 5 in our poll.

true....me either gordon, pbr see's them 2nd or 3rd in your poll.... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 12, 2009, 10:42:03 AM
more accolades for dvc football team preseason....lindys has them #4 and kyle gesswein 1st team AA

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/6/11/FB_09lindys.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on July 21, 2009, 01:50:48 PM
What's new everyone...long time no see for most of you  :)

Wilkes has released their 2009 schedule found at the following link:

http://www.gowilkesu.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&

Same matchups as last season, although the MAC slate has been shifted around a bit. One thing I am quite happy to see is that the Wilkes/King's game, better known as the "Mayor's Cup" contest, is back at week 10. In 2007 and 2008, for as great of an opponent as Widener was, it just diden't feel right closing out the season with anyone other than the Monarchs. Aside from that, the Colonels get two games at home early, then a trip down to VA Beach for Christopher Newport. I believe that's the furthest trip the team has ever taken, and some family and friends are planning trips down already.

Around the conference, I know Lycoming has picked up a great deal of talent from the District 2 area, including a number of players from Riverside, the District 2 "A" champions. That includes a great little wideout named Matt Talarico...reminds me a great deal of fromer Wilkes standout Jim Jordan. Obviously it's disappointing not to see those guys land in a Wilkes uniform, but still quite good to see them end up in the MAC at a quality college/university.

Other than that, I know the Colonels will get a handful of transferrs they are counting on to contribute early next season, but I don't have any details on anyone. Hope everything else is well :)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on July 21, 2009, 07:34:19 PM
G-Man...Not only District 2 my friend...Click on the link...We recruited 7 transfers and a number of All-Staters...In speaking with the "Wise" a few weeks ago, he told me it's the best recruiting class ever for size and speed and size with speed!...Simba

http://www.lycoming.edu/athletics/FOOT_07_20_09_Recruit_Class.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on July 22, 2009, 01:18:17 AM
Simba,

Good to hear from you. If Coach Wiser has that perspective on the incoming class, that's realy saying something. The guys from Riverside should be a great addition for the Warriors- the head coach there is a great friend of mine and they know how to play hard-nosed football in Taylor/Moosic.  Hughes, the lineman from Iona, is also a very good player- he comes from a HS program that turns out some very high-quality athletes, but they get overshadowed a bit by the big dogs in District 2. As a District 2 guy myself, I always hope for the best from the Colonels in terms of recruting, but I think you've got us beat with this year's group :(

For the first time, I really don't have the inside scoop on the incoming class from Wilkes...I suppose that's what being a year removed from graduation will do for you! In speaking with some of the coaches and players, I know Coach Shep did a bit of re-shuffling in terms of position changes and coaching assignments. They seem pleased, as the new moves aim to get that speed you refer to on the field as much as possible, esp. on the defensive side of the ball. The Colonels also have some good experience returning on offense, so we'll see how it plays out.

One thing we know for sure about all of these moves for all the MAC teams is they'll be tested early on- the non-conference schedule for the MAC overall is a challenge as always.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on July 22, 2009, 07:18:05 PM
Here's a nice article on one time Del Val coach Al Wilson who died recently.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/july/22/wilson-left-a-long-lasting-legacy.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 27, 2009, 07:56:47 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on July 22, 2009, 07:18:05 PM
Here's a nice article on one time Del Val coach Al Wilson who died recently.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/july/22/wilson-left-a-long-lasting-legacy.html

sad day for dvc...pbr knew numerous players who thought highly of wilson. they all said that you may of not always agreed w/ him or his tactics but he played the best players there was no favortism period. he took a bad program over and helped turn it around in a big way.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 06, 2009, 12:03:21 PM
mac coaches pick dvc to finish first....

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/august/06/mac-coaches-pick-delval-1st.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 06, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
That surprises me.  Usually the coaches go with the defending champ.  Lyco brings a lot of its defense back including some really good juniors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 06, 2009, 12:21:38 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 06, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
That surprises me.  Usually the coaches go with the defending champ.  Lyco brings a lot of its defense back including some really good juniors.

a little bit to me...dvc brings back what 13 starters and isgro will be tough to stop....lyco wont sneak up on teams this year either and will have a tougher go of it. should be a fun season as lyco and dvc have strong ooc schedules

EDIT: btw whats with showing dvc no love again in the polls!    ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 06, 2009, 06:26:33 PM
Whoever wrote that article on DVC being ranked first may want to change "FDU-Madison" to "FDU-Florham" :)

Disappointing for me to see Wilkes down there that low, but I would say that the players and coaches would probably be the first to tell you they diden't do much to warrant a higher ranking, at least based on last year's performance. The two two vote-getters have experienced and talented QBs leading the charge, but don't forget Rob Johnson, who has talent and a full season as the starter behind him.

Here's the Wilkes season-preview from the much-improved Colonels website...Coach Shep hits it right on the head when he talks about stopping the run. Hopefully with the experience back, it will be back to the usual hard-nosed defense at Ralston Field.

http://www.gowilkesu.com/news/2009/8/5/FB_0805092542.aspx 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on August 06, 2009, 08:26:18 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on August 06, 2009, 06:26:33 PM
Whoever wrote that article on DVC being ranked first may want to change "FDU-Madison" to "FDU-Florham" :)

Disappointing for me to see Wilkes down there that low, but I would say that the players and coaches would probably be the first to tell you they diden't do much to warrant a higher ranking, at least based on last year's performance. The two two vote-getters have experienced and talented QBs leading the charge, but don't forget Rob Johnson, who has talent and a full season as the starter behind him.

Here's the Wilkes season-preview from the much-improved Colonels website...Coach Shep hits it right on the head when he talks about stopping the run. Hopefully with the experience back, it will be back to the usual hard-nosed defense at Ralston Field.

http://www.gowilkesu.com/news/2009/8/5/FB_0805092542.aspx 

Wilkes is always a tough, well coached team. We come to Ralston on Sept 12th for Montclairs opener and not an easy place to play. Looking foward to visiting Mom in Nanticoke, a little tailgating, making friends and hopefully coming away with a "W". Ruby's pizza will taste better with a win. ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 06, 2009, 10:30:07 PM
rams 1102,

Glad to hear you'll be around Ralston for the MSU game. I plan on being there, so stop and say hello at some point :) This season I am set to cover a local high school team that plays at home on Saturdays, but I'll still be able to catch a few home games for the Colonels.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 06, 2009, 10:33:33 PM
And now the rest of the story....

http://www.mascac.org/News/football/2009/8/5/fbpoll09.asp?path=football
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 06, 2009, 10:37:46 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 06, 2009, 12:21:38 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 06, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
That surprises me.  Usually the coaches go with the defending champ.  Lyco brings a lot of its defense back including some really good juniors.

a little bit to me...dvc brings back what 13 starters and isgro will be tough to stop....lyco wont sneak up on teams this year either and will have a tougher go of it. should be a fun season as lyco and dvc have strong ooc schedules

EDIT: btw whats with showing dvc no love again in the polls!    ;)

PBR, sometimes the preseason poles are a funny brand. I don't know who votes on the D3football poll, but sometimes when a league has a tw or three-way tie for the championship in a season, the league overall and some of the teams don't get as much hype in the following season. I always put some stock in the coaches poll, although it diden't help us any in 2007, or Widener much last year....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on August 06, 2009, 11:43:47 PM
You do have to consider that Lyco's last game probably left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth who are voting.  I recall a few people screaming that Del Val should have been in the playoffs on the strength of their Wesley win last year, so it's not surprising that they are preseason #1.  I actually thought they'd get some love in the D3 poll.  That being said, it's hard to tell who has what in the east this year.  Union's coming off three mediocre years, Hobart is replacing their QB for the third year in a row, Lyco got squashed in the NCAA's, RPI loses Robertson, IC got beat by Curry in the playoffs, Cortland beat two NEFC teams in the playoffs before running into the MUC freight train and loses a lot, Fisher was schizo last year and I don't know much about the rest of the NJAC, but people aren't as high on Rowan as they were 4-5 years ago in general. 

That preseason story almost looks like they took last year's results and relayed them.  Widener looks interesting with 6 all conference players returning.  Sometimes that's more important than how many starters are returing - if you are returning bona fide talents. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 07, 2009, 07:40:54 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on August 06, 2009, 10:37:46 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on August 06, 2009, 12:21:38 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 06, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
That surprises me.  Usually the coaches go with the defending champ.  Lyco brings a lot of its defense back including some really good juniors.

a little bit to me...dvc brings back what 13 starters and isgro will be tough to stop....lyco wont sneak up on teams this year either and will have a tougher go of it. should be a fun season as lyco and dvc have strong ooc schedules

EDIT: btw whats with showing dvc no love again in the polls!    ;)

PBR, sometimes the preseason poles are a funny brand. I don't know who votes on the D3football poll, but sometimes when a league has a tw or three-way tie for the championship in a season, the league overall and some of the teams don't get as much hype in the following season. I always put some stock in the coaches poll, although it diden't help us any in 2007, or Widener much last year....

nah its all good...it was just a little dig at gordon and having some fun with him thats all
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 07, 2009, 07:46:57 AM
Quote from: Simba on August 06, 2009, 10:33:33 PM
And now the rest of the story....

http://www.mascac.org/News/football/2009/8/5/fbpoll09.asp?path=football

simba good to see you coming out of hibernation and on the boards again...football season must be on the horizon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 07, 2009, 12:40:45 PM
sounds like dvc qb isgro is ready to lead this team and no let downs this year

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/august/07/delval-ok-with-role-as-favorite.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 07, 2009, 12:53:44 PM
Quotenah its all good...it was just a little dig at gordon and having some fun with him thats all

That's cool.  Good to have football to talk about.  I would've had Widener higher based on what I saw of their QB/WR combo at Del Val. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 07, 2009, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 07, 2009, 12:53:44 PM
Quotenah its all good...it was just a little dig at gordon and having some fun with him thats all

That's cool.  Good to have football to talk about.  I would've had Widener higher based on what I saw of their QB/WR combo at Del Val. 

how about puttin' dvc a little higher maybe upper teens/low 20s  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 07, 2009, 11:06:18 PM
Wow, three whole sentances on FDU in the MAC preview (website).

I know we're the lone out of PA school playing football, but that is ridiculous. Can they even mention QB Winters...or anyone? :-[
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on August 08, 2009, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: bill on August 07, 2009, 11:06:18 PM
Wow, three whole sentances on FDU in the MAC preview (website).

I know we're the lone out of PA school playing football, but that is ridiculous. Can they even mention QB Winters...or anyone? :-[

Bill,

I've been away from the league for a few seasons now, but I believe the info that gose into the league's preview is supplied by each school. Often times, the info is the same as the preview put out by the SID at each school on their respective athletics website. If that's still the case, did anyone at FDU send a preview/press release to the league? I'm sure no one intended to exclude the team, so hopefully it was just an oversight on someone's part.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 10, 2009, 12:50:33 PM
G-man


I'll ask SID when I see him today....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 10, 2009, 08:46:52 PM
G-man

Good call on the situation. Our SID just got married, and was on his honeymoon. The league called him for a preview, and barely gave him 36 hours notice, which he couldn't comply with. Oh well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 18, 2009, 10:14:08 PM

"But the success of the Lycoming offense will rest in large part in the hands of the offensive line, who have big shoes to fill as the Warriors gun for their 15th MAC title since 1978."

Ah yes, the Glory Days of the 70's (Thanks Boss)...as Paul Harvey said many times on WMBT in Billtown back in the day..."And now you know the rest of the story"...

http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/530813.html?nav=5017
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on August 19, 2009, 03:32:59 AM
PBR, GORDON
Hi guys...glad to see things here are picking up. I am back on here and should be for most of the season.  Del Val
looks to be plenty tough this year and make the run for the MAC title. I should be making all of the games...Look for my Jr. on the DVC sidelines coaching special teams...

PBR...are your children still in soccer?...looking forward to hooking up and tailgating....Gordon, you know where we tailgate...please stop by...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 19, 2009, 08:49:17 AM
Quote from: HANGTIME on August 19, 2009, 03:32:59 AM
PBR, GORDON
Hi guys...glad to see things here are picking up. I am back on here and should be for most of the season.  Del Val
looks to be plenty tough this year and make the run for the MAC title. I should be making all of the games...Look for my Jr. on the DVC sidelines coaching special teams...

PBR...are your children still in soccer?...looking forward to hooking up and tailgating....Gordon, you know where we tailgate...please stop by...

hey hangtime good to see you around again. yes the kids to have soccer BUT my oldest has reached the age where i am no longer coaching that one but the younger 2  i am going to asst. coach this year. so i will be floating into dvc for games here and there when time permits. i know where your set up tailgating and will stop by. great news to hear your son is coaching the special teams at dvc. he was definetly a standout performer in dvc history and obviously knows special teams very well. cant wait to get this season started.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Boxer7806 on August 26, 2009, 12:20:40 PM
I know its early but what are your thoughts on the Widener vs Curry matchup... does Curry have a shot to get the conference a little more respect?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 31, 2009, 07:11:32 AM
Boxer7806:

That is a great early test for both teams.

For Curry, it's a chance to show that its recent post season success is a product of a strong program and not soley the accomplishments of a couple strong graduating classes.  I really liked the Colonels' quarterback Van De Giesen, who will be tough to replace.  A win for Curry would emphasize that this program is legit at a regional level and deflate skepticism that Curry's success is the product of a weaker conference schedule.

For Widener, it's a chance to show that they were underrated in the conference preseason poll where they placed 5th.  I was impressed by their quarterback Al Humes and wide receiver Marcus Payton who transferred into the program last year, but they aren't listed on the 2009 roster.  Ian Decker is a nice running back and Michael Penna is a talented tight end, but they'll need some help.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 31, 2009, 12:54:46 PM
dvc vs. johns hopkins game preview is up on dvc's website...

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/8/31/FB_09_HOPKINS_PREVIEW.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HANGTIME on September 01, 2009, 03:24:08 PM
Hey PBR....It looks like another DIII /AGGIE barn burner this Saturday....Should be there but not with the usual crew...Look forward to seeing you...GO AGGIES!!  GOOD LUCK YOU GUYS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 02, 2009, 11:25:47 PM
It's only a few days before the season and we aren't talkin' it up yet? C'mon guys and gals, the Landmine Conference basketball boards are more active  :P

Just kidding- I hope all is well with everyone. At the moment it looks as if the new job I just took will prevent me from attending the Wilkes opener with Muhlenberg- I'm covering sports and other subjects for a weekly paper here in Northeast PA. Among the teams we cover are Abington Heights, Lackawanna Trail, Lakeland, and Scranton Prep- all have had some success and appearences in the PIAA and Eastern Conference playoffs in the recent past. But with Abington and Prep playing home games on Saturdays, it ties me up for some weekends. I do plan on being at the MSU game, and have the road games at Lycoming and DVC penciled in at this point, so hopefully I will catch up with many of you soon.

I haven't had much of a chance to catch up with the Colonels lately- I know their camp roster was a bit smaller than when I was there, but retention was outstanding from what I understand- not a single player had left the program at the midpoint of camp, according to my sources.

Many of you may not be courting the Colonels for MAC frontrunner, and I'm sure that Coach Shep would be the first to say that the team needs to earn that status on the field after the last few years. But there is some talent there- don't forget about Rob Johnson among the other senior QBs around the conference. The defense will have some new and returning faces- my HS basketball teammate Sean Madden moving to the linebacking corps, and DL Jake Roberts is set to return after misisng last season with an injury. The offense has a deep and experienced group at TE, with Harry Reese brining the punishing running that has often defined Colonels teams of the past.

I'm not saying that they'll be the next Mount Union, but the Colonels are a close-knit group with great charecter. Here's hoping for a good 2009!!

As for the rest, best wishes to all of you in your travels and adventures this year, esp. if your son or relation is playing on the field, walking the sidelines, or (as was the case with me) on top of the film platform  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 03, 2009, 07:21:17 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 02, 2009, 11:25:47 PM
It's only a few days before the season and we aren't talkin' it up yet? C'mon guys and gals, the Landmine Conference basketball boards are more active  :P

Just kidding- I hope all is well with everyone. At the moment it looks as if the new job I just took will prevent me from attending the Wilkes opener with Muhlenberg- I'm covering sports and other subjects for a weekly paper here in Northeast PA. Among the teams we cover are Abington Heights, Lackawanna Trail, Lakeland, and Scranton Prep- all have had some success and appearences in the PIAA and Eastern Conference playoffs in the recent past. But with Abington and Prep playing home games on Saturdays, it ties me up for some weekends. I do plan on being at the MSU game, and have the road games at Lycoming and DVC penciled in at this point, so hopefully I will catch up with many of you soon.

I haven't had much of a chance to catch up with the Colonels lately- I know their camp roster was a bit smaller than when I was there, but retention was outstanding from what I understand- not a single player had left the program at the midpoint of camp, according to my sources.

Many of you may not be courting the Colonels for MAC frontrunner, and I'm sure that Coach Shep would be the first to say that the team needs to earn that status on the field after the last few years. But there is some talent there- don't forget about Rob Johnson among the other senior QBs around the conference. The defense will have some new and returning faces- my HS basketball teammate Sean Madden moving to the linebacking corps, and DL Jake Roberts is set to return after misisng last season with an injury. The offense has a deep and experienced group at TE, with Harry Reese brining the punishing running that has often defined Colonels teams of the past.

I'm not saying that they'll be the next Mount Union, but the Colonels are a close-knit group with great charecter. Here's hoping for a good 2009!!

As for the rest, best wishes to all of you in your travels and adventures this year, esp. if your son or relation is playing on the field, walking the sidelines, or (as was the case with me) on top of the film platform  :D

good stuff and good luck in your new position w/ the newspaper.....should be another fun year in the mac
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 03, 2009, 04:23:12 PM
As always the MAC will be highly competitive, and I believe the pre-season predictions that have the Aggies coming out on top. But, the games still have to be played and it's important to recognize that no opponent in this conference is a walkover and so let-downs must be avoided. This should be an unbelievable year for Isgro and I'm excited to see him and the offense get to work. The defense should be dominating, as always and Gesswein deserves all the pre-season accolades after his past year's performances. No doubt he'll be just as good, if not better in '09...so here's to watching another successful Aggie team...

Good luck to the other MAC teams! I for one, am ready for some football!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 04, 2009, 09:15:10 AM
The young Aggies defense will have its hands full tomorrow.  Johns Hopkins has a great back in Andrew Kase who is already the school's all-time leading rusher at 2,900+ yards.

If you can't make the game in Doylestown, you can listen to it on the internet.

Johns Hopkins (8-3 in 2008)
vs.
Delaware Valley (8-3 in 2008)

Click here to listen (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx)

The stream will be inactive until pregame coverage begins at 1:40 pm for the rare 2 pm kickoff.  You'll need Windows Media Player to listen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 04, 2009, 12:34:57 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 04, 2009, 09:15:10 AM
The young Aggies defense will have its hands full tomorrow.  Johns Hopkins has a great back in Andrew Kase who is already the school's all-time leading rusher at 2,900+ yards.

If you can't make the game in Doylestown, you can listen to it on the internet.

Johns Hopkins (8-3 in 2008)
vs.
Delaware Valley (8-3 in 2008)

Click here to listen (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx)

The stream will be inactive until pregame coverage begins at 1:40 pm for the rare 2 pm kickoff.  You'll need Windows Media Player to listen.

saw former dvc coach mangus giving south carolina's qb he|| when making bad decisions last night on t.v. ....good to see he never changes
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 04, 2009, 03:53:44 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 04, 2009, 09:15:10 AM
The young Aggies defense will have its hands full tomorrow.  Johns Hopkins has a great back in Andrew Kase who is already the school's all-time leading rusher at 2,900+ yards.

If you can't make the game in Doylestown, you can listen to it on the internet.

Johns Hopkins (8-3 in 2008)
vs.
Delaware Valley (8-3 in 2008)

Click here to listen (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx)

The stream will be inactive until pregame coverage begins at 1:40 pm for the rare 2 pm kickoff.  You'll need Windows Media Player to listen.

Gordon, can I listen in AND root against DV??? ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 04, 2009, 04:03:23 PM
Bman:

Absolutely. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 05, 2009, 10:50:32 PM
Now, how many of you out there picked Wilkes to upset Muhlenberg? C'mon, be honest.......... ;)

A great day at Ralston Field today for the blue and gold faithful. Muhlenberg has a fantastic team with some great young talents- the Mules feature a freshman RB who is one of the best talents I've ever seen play against the Colonels. But Wilkes must have brought out the 2006 game tapes this week, as they saved their best effort for the second half today. QB Rob Johnson played a great game, passing for a TD and running in another on a fantastic playcall. The defense struggled to get some pressure, but the secondary was outstanding when it counted, with three different DBs snagging interceptions, including two that stopped scoring drives in the red zone.

Next week brings another outstanding team into Ralston, so no rest for the weary. But today was a good day:)

I obviously won't make any predictions or statements, but I think the Colonels may give some teams a bit more trouble this season than many may have thought before today. Best wishes to everyone, and to all the teams on a great day for the MAC!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 05, 2009, 11:45:29 PM
Great Job today Aggies!!!!! Very entertaining game!!!!

How about the MAC going 5 - 0 today, a great start to another, what appears to be, competitive and fun season ahead.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 06, 2009, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 05, 2009, 10:50:32 PM
Now, how many of you out there picked Wilkes to upset Muhlenberg? C'mon, be honest.......... ;)

A great day at Ralston Field today for the blue and gold faithful. Muhlenberg has a fantastic team with some great young talents- the Mules feature a freshman RB who is one of the best talents I've ever seen play against the Colonels. But Wilkes must have brought out the 2006 game tapes this week, as they saved their best effort for the second half today. QB Rob Johnson played a great game, passing for a TD and running in another on a fantastic playcall. The defense struggled to get some pressure, but the secondary was outstanding when it counted, with three different DBs snagging interceptions, including two that stopped scoring drives in the red zone.

Next week brings another outstanding team into Ralston, so no rest for the weary. But today was a good day:)

I obviously won't make any predictions or statements, but I think the Colonels may give some teams a bit more trouble this season than many may have thought before today. Best wishes to everyone, and to all the teams on a great day for the MAC!!

In the NJAC Pick-Em's I had the Mules as -3.5 and took the Mules Straight and Wilkes with the Spread. I always said that Wilkes is a well coached team and always in the game. Wilkes wining did not surprise me, but I thought the Mules would win. Congratulations on a great start. I'll be out at Ralston Field on Saturday. A little tailgate and as usual an exciting game. I think our "D" will be fine. Decent receivers, decent running game and the jury is out on our Soph QB. Saturday will be the test. IMHO this game could define the Montclair Season as to the teams Character.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 07, 2009, 08:34:06 AM
Hello Posters,

We are back from Japan - after completing our three year assignment for Uncle Sam in the Land of the Rising Sun and dropping dollar.

Simba, great post, as usual.  I still cannot figure out why you have so little karma.

We are living in Arlington, VA and I am assigned to the Washington Navy Yard - meaning - I now live within striking distance of some MAC games - home or road for The Warriors.

Posters - I hope to make your acquaintance over the unfolding years as I think this is the last stop on the Navy carousel for yours truly.

Good luck to all teams - here's to an injury free season as these young men play for honor and glory, and for the seniors, most likely the last season they will suit up.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 08, 2009, 12:16:55 AM
Any FDU-Florham fans roaming the boards? What's up with dem Devils?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 08, 2009, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 07, 2009, 08:34:06 AM
Hello Posters,

We are back from Japan - after completing our three year assignment for Uncle Sam in the Land of the Rising Sun and dropping dollar.

Simba, great post, as usual.  I still cannot figure out why you have so little karma.

We are living in Arlington, VA and I am assigned to the Washington Navy Yard - meaning - I now live within striking distance of some MAC games - home or road for The Warriors.

Posters - I hope to make your acquaintance over the unfolding years as I think this is the last stop on the Navy carousel for yours truly.

Good luck to all teams - here's to an injury free season as these young men play for honor and glory, and for the seniors, most likely the last season they will suit up.

Go Warriors!

ATB

hey Lyco, indeed welcome home and thx again for your service, you guys are truly appreciated. should be a fun year in the mac and hears hoping you have to do some recon all the way the susquehanna to williamsport!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 08, 2009, 04:53:43 PM
AUpep

Well, I'm here. ;D

The team performed well in the scrimmage against Western Connecticut. I'm sure Alfred will be very challenging opener, as it was a good game last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 08, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
Bill, do you know if they have electricity available on the visitors side?  I may be sitting in with the AU Pep Band and would need power for my bass amp.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 08, 2009, 05:46:47 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 08, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
Bill, do you know if they have electricity available on the visitors side?  I may be sitting in with the AU Pep Band and would need power for my bass amp.

Hey KS...got the tuba music. Will scan it tonight and e-mail it to you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 08, 2009, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 08, 2009, 05:46:47 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 08, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
Bill, do you know if they have electricity available on the visitors side?  I may be sitting in with the AU Pep Band and would need power for my bass amp.

Hey KS...got the tuba music. Will scan it tonight and e-mail it to you.


Great!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUKaz00 on September 08, 2009, 11:13:09 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 08, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
Bill, do you know if they have electricity available on the visitors side?  I may be sitting in with the AU Pep Band and would need power for my bass amp.

I'm planning to throw an extension cord into my bag, so if we all do it perhaps we can just snake them into the visitor's lockerroom for power!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 09, 2009, 10:30:22 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 08, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
Bill, do you know if they have electricity available on the visitors side?  I may be sitting in with the AU Pep Band and would need power for my bass amp.

pbr senses some heavy duty john paul jones zep jams especially at halftime....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 09, 2009, 07:36:28 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 09, 2009, 10:30:22 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 08, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
Bill, do you know if they have electricity available on the visitors side?  I may be sitting in with the AU Pep Band and would need power for my bass amp.

pbr senses some heavy duty john paul jones zep jams especially at halftime....

AU Pep Band's repertoire is somewhat limited...Bang the Drum All Day, Blitzkrieg Bop, Smoke on the Water (featuring KS on bass!!), Louie-Louie, Gonna Fly Now, Cleveland Rocks...and the Saxon Fight Song!

But AU Pep Band has never before been "plugged in" so it will be interesting to see what KS brings into the mix.

At present, the band is looking like THREE trumpets, TWO trombones, ONE clarinet, ONE (or more) kazoos, TWO on percussion......and KnightStalker on bass!!

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 09, 2009, 08:11:55 PM
Seems the Aggies are in for a real test of their run defense this Saturday.....

Kean currently has a running back named Jason Gwaltney on their roster......

He was a academic wash out at West Virginia Univesity but opened some eys their with his talent before this happened.  He lists at 6'1" and goes about 235 with speed and moves, supposedly the real deal.

You can google him on YouTube and see some of his highlights.

Sure the Aggies will come up with something to contain him. Can't make the game but will be following on the net! 

Go Aggies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 09, 2009, 08:28:01 PM
AU

As far as I know, we DO NOT have electricity on the visitor's side.

I also think it would take quite a long extension cord  to reach from the nearest outlet.

I supposed you could have the band director call our athletics department, and request electricity. Perhaps there is a solution out there!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 09, 2009, 10:20:10 PM
Quote from: bill on September 09, 2009, 08:28:01 PM
AU

As far as I know, we DO NOT have electricity on the visitor's side.

I also think it would take quite a long extension cord  to reach from the nearest outlet.

I supposed you could have the band director call our athletics department, and request electricity. Perhaps there is a solution out there!

Ha ha! Band director? AU Pep Band is a band of students, gypsies and homeless people armed with instruments who wander around the country shadowing their beloved Saxons. There is no director. Pep is the "facilitator" although AU's director of bands runs our "band camp" and is getting more involved this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUKaz00 on September 10, 2009, 09:20:11 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on September 09, 2009, 10:30:22 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 08, 2009, 05:40:53 PM
Bill, do you know if they have electricity available on the visitors side?  I may be sitting in with the AU Pep Band and would need power for my bass amp.

pbr senses some heavy duty john paul jones zep jams especially at halftime....

Right after reading this post yesterday, I went off to a meeting and while walking between buildings was listening to AU's carillonneur, who plays the bells daily during the semester, and couldn't quite place the tune.  As I reached my destination I finally did and it was Stairway to Heaven!  I laughed at both the irony of the two occurances and hearing Led Zeppelin played on bells.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 11, 2009, 12:32:36 PM
huge huge huge game tomorrow in dvc vs. kean....kean is going to be very strong this year. both teams have excellent skill players and this is going to be war in the trenches. GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 11, 2009, 01:20:04 PM
Yep, should be another fun one for Del Val.  If you can't make it to Union, you can always listen to the game...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Kean

Click here (http://athletics.delval.edu/sports/2008/9/5/FB_09football%20broadcast.aspx?id=41) to listen.

Pregame coverage starts at 12:40 pm with kickoff at 1 pm.  Please note the audio link will not work until the broadcast is on the air with the pregame show. The broadcasts also requires Windows Media Player 9.0 or later on your computer.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 11, 2009, 02:34:32 PM
Gwaltney reminds me of the late Ironhead Heyward.  A big guy with "little man's" feet.  Should be interesting on Saturday.

Heyward used to kick the crap out of me in HS.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 11, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
JT,

Great quotes, but to be true your must give the real attribution:

Sergeant Stryker, played by John Wayne, in the movie, "The Sands of Iwo Jima".

An interesting side light to the story is the following:

the three surviving Flag Raisers appeared in the movie as well as some other veterans from the island fighting.

I visited Iwo Jima and Suribachi and let me tell you - there is no one in any football league tougher than those Marines who fight and died on that island.

I get chills simply sitting here and typing this post thinking about what they suffered so we could be free to flisten to rock and roll music, bad mouth our country and grow our hair long.  Which comes from another movie, anyone?

Semper Fidelis to all Devil Dogs alive or R.I.P.!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 11, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 11, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
JT,

Great quotes, but to be true your must give the real attribution:

Sergeant Stryker, played by John Wayne, in the movie, "The Sands of Iwo Jima".

An interesting side light to the story is the following:

the three surviving Flag Raisers appeared in the movie as well as some other veterans from the island fighting.

I visited Iwo Jima and Suribachi and let me tell you - there is no one in any football league tougher than those Marines who fight and died on that island.

I get chills simply sitting here and typing this post thinking about what they suffered so we could be free to flisten to rock and roll music, bad mouth our country and grow our hair long.  Which comes from another movie, anyone?

Semper Fidelis to all Devil Dogs alive or R.I.P.!

ATB

Lyco, good to see you back.  I know two Marines that fought on Iwo, My dads uncle Dan (who was Lt. Dan in the Marines, discharged as Capt. Dan.) and one of the members of my VFW post.  Neither will really talk about it beyond their outfit and the stories of before and after.  My dads uncle never spoke about it, we knew he got the Purple Heart on Iwo but did not learn of his Bronze Star until after he died.

I know from reading "Flags of our Fathers" that one of the raisers John Bradly who was a Navy Corpsman with the Marines did not want to be in the movie but was ordered to by the govt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 11, 2009, 08:02:14 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 11, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 11, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
JT,

Great quotes, but to be true your must give the real attribution:

Sergeant Stryker, played by John Wayne, in the movie, "The Sands of Iwo Jima".

An interesting side light to the story is the following:

the three surviving Flag Raisers appeared in the movie as well as some other veterans from the island fighting.

I visited Iwo Jima and Suribachi and let me tell you - there is no one in any football league tougher than those Marines who fight and died on that island.

I get chills simply sitting here and typing this post thinking about what they suffered so we could be free to flisten to rock and roll music, bad mouth our country and grow our hair long.  Which comes from another movie, anyone?

Semper Fidelis to all Devil Dogs alive or R.I.P.!

ATB

Lyco, good to see you back.  I know two Marines that fought on Iwo, My dads uncle Dan (who was Lt. Dan in the Marines, discharged as Capt. Dan.) and one of the members of my VFW post.  Neither will really talk about it beyond their outfit and the stories of before and after.  My dads uncle never spoke about it, we knew he got the Purple Heart on Iwo but did not learn of his Bronze Star until after he died.

I know from reading "Flags of our Fathers" that one of the raisers John Bradly who was a Navy Corpsman with the Marines did not want to be in the movie but was ordered to by the govt.

You guys are bringing tears to my eyes. God Bless you guys and God Bless America!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 11, 2009, 10:27:16 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on September 11, 2009, 08:02:14 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 11, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 11, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
JT,

Great quotes, but to be true your must give the real attribution:

Sergeant Stryker, played by John Wayne, in the movie, "The Sands of Iwo Jima".

An interesting side light to the story is the following:

the three surviving Flag Raisers appeared in the movie as well as some other veterans from the island fighting.

I visited Iwo Jima and Suribachi and let me tell you - there is no one in any football league tougher than those Marines who fight and died on that island.

I get chills simply sitting here and typing this post thinking about what they suffered so we could be free to flisten to rock and roll music, bad mouth our country and grow our hair long.  Which comes from another movie, anyone?

Semper Fidelis to all Devil Dogs alive or R.I.P.!

ATB

Lyco, good to see you back.  I know two Marines that fought on Iwo, My dads uncle Dan (who was Lt. Dan in the Marines, discharged as Capt. Dan.) and one of the members of my VFW post.  Neither will really talk about it beyond their outfit and the stories of before and after.  My dads uncle never spoke about it, we knew he got the Purple Heart on Iwo but did not learn of his Bronze Star until after he died.

I know from reading "Flags of our Fathers" that one of the raisers John Bradly who was a Navy Corpsman with the Marines did not want to be in the movie but was ordered to by the govt.

You guys are bringing tears to my eyes. God Bless you guys and God Bless America!!!!!

Right on Rams!! All the best wishes to everyone who has served or is currently serving.

If you've got the "Red Grill" going, I'll be sure to stop over. I'll be up early to watch Formula 1 qualifying, then I'll be at Ralston. Cheers everyone :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LD2781 on September 12, 2009, 12:39:31 AM
Good luck Devils tomorrow. Hope that coach Mosca is given the opportunity to bring the program to where it should be given the challenges internally & externally in order to be a factor in the MAC for years to come.

Need the defense to operate like they did in '99................If you make a mistake, make it an aggresive mistake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 12, 2009, 09:19:43 AM
going to make the trip to wilkes today to watch a game.  G-manWu, I will try to find you when I get up there.  I will have some wesley football shirt on.  looking forward to a good game, at least that what it looks like on paper.  2 hour ride so i should be there by 1200 or so.  weather looks like it will hold off until after the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PrideFan1 on September 12, 2009, 12:30:30 PM
will anyone be at the springfield/king's game today?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 12, 2009, 01:58:36 PM
Gwaltney being taken off field on a cart...injury
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 12, 2009, 04:03:19 PM
Aggies defeat Kean thanks to Cooks 150+ yards and Squittiere's int to seal the win! 15 tackles by Chris James. Special teams problems continue and hopefully can be resolved soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on September 12, 2009, 04:11:24 PM
Way to go Aggies.........Played a tough game in tough conditions........It's good to be 2 - 0 going into next weeks game with the giant from Delaware........ but the aggies have played those guys tough two years in a row..... I don't anticipate anuthing diffrent this year.

Go Aggies!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 12, 2009, 05:57:59 PM
again another big win for DVC...coach clements and his staff deserve a huge amount of credit. they always have this team prepared to play. maybe the polls will finally show some respect but alas it was the same last year...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 12, 2009, 07:00:19 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 12, 2009, 09:19:43 AM
going to make the trip to wilkes today to watch a game.  G-manWu, I will try to find you when I get up there.  I will have some wesley football shirt on.  looking forward to a good game, at least that what it looks like on paper.  2 hour ride so i should be there by 1200 or so.  weather looks like it will hold off until after the game.

Wesleydad,

Sorry I diden't get the message- I woke up early for F1 qualifying and went to breakfast and then the game, so I wasen't online earlier. I did indeed see some people with wesley shirts on and was wondering what they were doing there- go figure on my part :D

Hope you enjoyed your visit to Ralston today- the weather wasen't the best and the atmosphere was not the best, but it was still a great day for Colonels football. Come back and visit us again in the future!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 12, 2009, 07:14:38 PM
As I said above, a great day for Colonels football :)

Had the chance to meet up with Rams1102 before the game- great talk about football and such, although I was a bit late for his tailgate cookout- my fault on that one. Still, great time with some very good fans.

As for the game itself, a very good showing by Wilkes today. There were some breakdowns, but the defense came up with big plays for four quarters, and the offense clicked at the right times. Credit Corey Gilroy and Sean O'Neil for running back turnovers for TDs, and great backfield penetration on blitzes from the Wilkes LBs and DBs. Rob Johnson had a good day at QB, getting good pass protection and evading pressue when it did come.

MSU had some talented guys, and can certainly be a contender in the NJAC, but there is still some work to do for the Red Hawks. MSU did get some good kick returns, but no player impressed me a great deal on their side of the field. Still, that's why you play non-conference games- lots of time left in the season and it'll be no suprise if we see MSU come up in the postseason.

Again, I'm not saying they'll dominate the league, but the Colonels are going to give teams some real problems down the stretch. Cheers everyone :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 12, 2009, 08:16:30 PM
G-man, no problem.  I did enjoy the trip.  I spent pre, half, and post game talking to the family of #3.  Very nice people.

I agree with you the Wilkes is going to give teams trouble.  They took advantage of mistakes by MSU, but they were clearly the better team throughout the game IMO.  I also agree with you the there was no player on MSU who stood out during the game.  I think they are in trouble at QB because #11 did not have much zip on his passes, the int return for a TD was floated into the flat.

I saw CNU play last week against and I believe that Wilkes is a better team, especially if Ogun is still injured.  CNU has a pretty good defense, holding Wesley to 10 pts in the first half.  They have a very gutsy QB, but didn't show much else on offense.

Good luck the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 12, 2009, 10:30:03 PM
Wow..back in Alfred after a thriller at FDU. The Devils are a team to be reckoned with...Winters is an outstanding versatile QB...reminds Pep of Tim Tebow. Saxons were fortunate to come away with the win.

Best of luck to the Devils throughout the 2009 season.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 13, 2009, 08:53:50 PM
hey delval fans, should be a good game this weekend.  i am glad that i only have a non player interest in it.  looking forward to the trip to delval again this year, less stress.  i would like to meet most of you posters so i will need some tailgate info during the week.  good luck this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 14, 2009, 11:36:25 AM
Some reflections on a wet Saturday in Madison, NJ...seems there were some FDU-Florham fans who weren't too pleased that the AU Pep Band made the trip and played at the game. Pep understands. Pep had ill feelings when the Ithaca College Pep Band appeared at Merrill Field and supported the Bombers before AU mustered its own band. Just didn't seem right that the Bombers seemingly had more support (noise) than the home crowd in those days. That certainly contributed to the re-establishment of an AU Pep Band.

Back to FDU, though, according to some members of the band, there were others who were complimentary of the band, its play, and its dedication to the Alfred University football team. Pep is hoping that the band's appearance at Shields Field Saturday would inspire FDU to start a band of its own--rather than have some of its fans direct chants toward the visiting band, "You suck!" Truth be told, it's tough for a musician to get any sound out of an instrument by sucking.  ;)

What MAC schools actually have pep or marching bands?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 14, 2009, 11:39:39 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 14, 2009, 11:36:25 AM
Some reflections on a wet Saturday in Madison, NJ...seems there were some FDU-Florham fans who weren't too pleased that the AU Pep Band made the trip and played at the game. Pep understands. Pep had ill feelings when the Ithaca College Pep Band appeared at Merrill Field and supported the Bombers before AU mustered its own band. Just didn't seem right that the Bombers seemingly had more support (noise) than the home crowd in those days. That certainly contributed to the re-establishment of an AU Pep Band.

Back to FDU, though, according to some members of the band, there were others who were complimentary of the band, its play, and its dedication to the Alfred University football team. Pep is hoping that the band's appearance at Shields Field Saturday would inspire FDU to start a band of its own--rather than have some of its fans direct chants toward the visiting band, "You suck!" Truth be told, it's tough for a musician to get any sound out of an instrument by sucking.  ;)

What MAC schools actually have pep or marching bands?



But when playing the Harmonica one must suck to play properly.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 14, 2009, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 14, 2009, 11:39:39 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 14, 2009, 11:36:25 AM
Some reflections on a wet Saturday in Madison, NJ...seems there were some FDU-Florham fans who weren't too pleased that the AU Pep Band made the trip and played at the game. Pep understands. Pep had ill feelings when the Ithaca College Pep Band appeared at Merrill Field and supported the Bombers before AU mustered its own band. Just didn't seem right that the Bombers seemingly had more support (noise) than the home crowd in those days. That certainly contributed to the re-establishment of an AU Pep Band.

Back to FDU, though, according to some members of the band, there were others who were complimentary of the band, its play, and its dedication to the Alfred University football team. Pep is hoping that the band's appearance at Shields Field Saturday would inspire FDU to start a band of its own--rather than have some of its fans direct chants toward the visiting band, "You suck!" Truth be told, it's tough for a musician to get any sound out of an instrument by sucking.  ;)

What MAC schools actually have pep or marching bands?



But when playing the Harmonica one must suck to play properly.

Ha ha KS....you suck and blow, Mr. No-Show!  j/k   +K

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 14, 2009, 11:43:43 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 14, 2009, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 14, 2009, 11:39:39 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 14, 2009, 11:36:25 AM
Some reflections on a wet Saturday in Madison, NJ...seems there were some FDU-Florham fans who weren't too pleased that the AU Pep Band made the trip and played at the game. Pep understands. Pep had ill feelings when the Ithaca College Pep Band appeared at Merrill Field and supported the Bombers before AU mustered its own band. Just didn't seem right that the Bombers seemingly had more support (noise) than the home crowd in those days. That certainly contributed to the re-establishment of an AU Pep Band.

Back to FDU, though, according to some members of the band, there were others who were complimentary of the band, its play, and its dedication to the Alfred University football team. Pep is hoping that the band's appearance at Shields Field Saturday would inspire FDU to start a band of its own--rather than have some of its fans direct chants toward the visiting band, "You suck!" Truth be told, it's tough for a musician to get any sound out of an instrument by sucking.  ;)

What MAC schools actually have pep or marching bands?



But when playing the Harmonica one must suck to play properly.

Ha ha KS....you suck and blow, Mr. No-Show!  j/k   +K



Bass Guitar + Rain = fireworks and a new hairstyle. 

It ended up being the only day I had help coming by to paint our new apartment.  Still not done, more nights of painting this week, yeah!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 14, 2009, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 14, 2009, 11:43:43 AM

Bass Guitar + Rain = fireworks and a new hairstyle. 

It ended up being the only day I had help coming by to paint our new apartment.  Still not done, more nights of painting this week, yeah!

Ha ha! No worries. No legitimate power source as well. Pep did bring along the EZ-Up, which fit nicely into the stands. Another time, maybe. You did miss an exciting game. Pep was actually on his cell phone in the final minutes with some fans back home, giving a play-by-play from under the EZ-Up next to the drums and clanging cymbal! Pep must have sounded like a lunatic from the other end.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
I don't think any MAC schools have a regular pep or marching band.  King's (and perhaps other schools) brings in local high schools, which is a nice touch.

Johns Hopkins had a pep band at Del Val's home opener.  Several years ago Rose-Hulman hosted the Women's Basketball Final Four.  DePauw's band traveled from nearby Greencastle (the Tigers were in the Final Four) and played with RHIT's band.  That was cool.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 14, 2009, 02:52:00 PM
Gordon, you are so right, from someone actually singing the National Anthem, great cheerleaders, or pep bands - all the hoopla adds so much to a game (not that ALL D3 games aren't fantastic on their own  ;))!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 14, 2009, 03:18:28 PM
p.s. to the above post, the Del Val stadium decorations looked great; nice to see the Leamers' & Dr. Feldstein, & a gorgeous silver Bentley in the parking lot added to my day, too  :D!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 14, 2009, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 14, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
I don't think any MAC schools have a regular pep or marching band.  King's (and perhaps other schools) brings in local high schools, which is a nice touch.

Johns Hopkins had a pep band at Del Val's home opener.  Several years ago Rose-Hulman hosted the Women's Basketball Final Four.  DePauw's band traveled from nearby Greencastle (the Tigers were in the Final Four) and played with RHIT's band.  That was cool.

Gordon, have they let you out of the press box over the last few years? ;)

Since my first season at Wilkes-2004- the Colonels have had a pep band, usually numbering around 15-20 people with various instruments. Not the biggest group, but they do a very good job and since Wilkes pretty much stomped out the music programs when I was there, the dedication and hard work put in by today's pep band players is made all the more impressive.

Around the league, Albright had a little ensemble when I was there, LVC has their famous "Marching 100" or something like that, and how could you forget the electric orchestra at Widener?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 14, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
Which leads me to a great story that I really must share, as a tribute to all of the warmhearted fans at the "other" WU school.... ;)

In the fourth game of our 2004 season, the Colonels hit the road to Chester to take on Widener. Now, the previous game at Quick Stadium had been the 3-0 loss to Lebanon Valley in the aftermath of Hurrican Ivan, and we heard rumours that the Widener administration had spent thousands of dollars to get the field (which was grass at the time) back in playable condition.

Long story short, we pulled out a dramatic win- Trichillo ripping off a big run to set up the gamewinning TD, then having John Darrah (one of the most underrated players in recent MAC history) pick off Lomas in the end zone to seal the deal. The whole game, Widener had their fantastic pep bad playing, with electric guitars and all, getitng the crowd and the players on both sides in high gear. It was a fantastic show...and the minute that JD picked off that pass, the band shuts down, parents start packing up their baby bags and strollers, people pick up their seat cusions and head for the exits.....sweet indeed.

If you think I tod all that to be cocky/rude/etc...nothing is further from the truth. It was another fantastic game in the MAC, and to the credit of the Pioneers- as they were then known- the ripped off 4 or 5 straight wins after that game. And the band, in this case, gave the game great atmosphere. Cheers everyone :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 15, 2009, 01:50:05 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 14, 2009, 11:36:25 AM
Some reflections on a wet Saturday in Madison, NJ...seems there were some FDU-Florham fans who weren't too pleased that the AU Pep Band made the trip and played at the game. Pep understands. Pep had ill feelings when the Ithaca College Pep Band appeared at Merrill Field and supported the Bombers before AU mustered its own band. Just didn't seem right that the Bombers seemingly had more support (noise) than the home crowd in those days. That certainly contributed to the re-establishment of an AU Pep Band.

Back to FDU, though, according to some members of the band, there were others who were complimentary of the band, its play, and its dedication to the Alfred University football team. Pep is hoping that the band's appearance at Shields Field Saturday would inspire FDU to start a band of its own--rather than have some of its fans direct chants toward the visiting band, "You suck!" Truth be told, it's tough for a musician to get any sound out of an instrument by sucking.  ;)

What MAC schools actually have pep or marching bands?



Pep,

Glad to see you finally on the MAC board! While I have only been registered on here following my graduation from Wilkes in May of 2008, I have been a "lurker" as some may say, since early in the 2005 season. I've long seen you around the boards and admired your pride in your alma mater- which apparently extends to your pep band activities.

Hope you enjoyed your time at Shields Field, and if you got heckled a bit, I can say from my experences of making many trips to FDU that those guys are probably in the very small minority. The athletics administration, coaches, and players at FDU are some of the nicest people you'll find at any D3 school- that includes Coach Mosca, Equipment Man Mr. Ashby, and many others. I've made many friends and have had great times at all the schools represented on here- DVC, Widener, Lyco, King's- but the folks in Madison are some of the best around.

If the Saxons should ever find their way to Wilkes-Barre, I can say with some certainty that the AU Pep Band and whatever entourage you bring would be most welcomed at Ralston Field. At the moment we have a massive visiting grandstand to set up in, and power can be made available if you really need it. Bar in mind that things may change in the near future- esp. if a much-needed stadium rennovation ever takes shape. But we know how to have a good, safe, fun time at Ralston, so be sure to make the trip if Wilkes-Alfred ever resume their series.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 15, 2009, 11:04:42 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 15, 2009, 01:50:05 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 14, 2009, 11:36:25 AM
Some reflections on a wet Saturday in Madison, NJ...seems there were some FDU-Florham fans who weren't too pleased that the AU Pep Band made the trip and played at the game. Pep understands. Pep had ill feelings when the Ithaca College Pep Band appeared at Merrill Field and supported the Bombers before AU mustered its own band. Just didn't seem right that the Bombers seemingly had more support (noise) than the home crowd in those days. That certainly contributed to the re-establishment of an AU Pep Band.

Back to FDU, though, according to some members of the band, there were others who were complimentary of the band, its play, and its dedication to the Alfred University football team. Pep is hoping that the band's appearance at Shields Field Saturday would inspire FDU to start a band of its own--rather than have some of its fans direct chants toward the visiting band, "You suck!" Truth be told, it's tough for a musician to get any sound out of an instrument by sucking.  ;)

What MAC schools actually have pep or marching bands?



Pep,

Glad to see you finally on the MAC board! While I have only been registered on here following my graduation from Wilkes in May of 2008, I have been a "lurker" as some may say, since early in the 2005 season. I've long seen you around the boards and admired your pride in your alma mater- which apparently extends to your pep band activities.

Hope you enjoyed your time at Shields Field, and if you got heckled a bit, I can say from my experences of making many trips to FDU that those guys are probably in the very small minority. The athletics administration, coaches, and players at FDU are some of the nicest people you'll find at any D3 school- that includes Coach Mosca, Equipment Man Mr. Ashby, and many others. I've made many friends and have had great times at all the schools represented on here- DVC, Widener, Lyco, King's- but the folks in Madison are some of the best around.

If the Saxons should ever find their way to Wilkes-Barre, I can say with some certainty that the AU Pep Band and whatever entourage you bring would be most welcomed at Ralston Field. At the moment we have a massive visiting grandstand to set up in, and power can be made available if you really need it. Bar in mind that things may change in the near future- esp. if a much-needed stadium rennovation ever takes shape. But we know how to have a good, safe, fun time at Ralston, so be sure to make the trip if Wilkes-Alfred ever resume their series.

G-manWU:
Pep found the FDU officials to be just as you described. They were most hospitable, gracious hosts...from the AD to the SID to the Press Box DJ. Pep did not have occasion to meet the coach. Indeed, it was a just a few hecklers...and you'll have that most everywhere.

Thanks for extending an invitation to the band should Wilkes-Alfred ever happen again. Pep has the utmost respect for the Colonels since it was at Wilkes that a 15-game AU win streak was snapped back in 1972(?) as Pep listened to the game at home on the radio, in disbelief, as a 14-0 lead evaporated in a 16-14 loss. Pep doesn't remember Wilkes ever visiting Merrill Field. Then, back in 2005, Wilkes was selected ahead of Pep's Saxons who were regionally ranked (NCAA) ahead of Wilkes and knocked off St. John Fisher (ranked ahead of both) 13-7 to seemingly secure a ticket to the NCAA Playoffs. So a meeting of the Colonels and Saxons certainly would be welcomed from this fan's point of view.

Pep is a "townie" sort of turned "gownie." Pep grew up on AU football, following in his father's footsteps (Pep's pops has missed 3 AU home games in 72 years). Pep graduated from SUNY Morrisville in 1976, became employed by AU's Herrick Library beginning in July 2000 and became "honorary alum" in June 2005. Pep started the band with kazoos in 1999 back when AUKaz00 was a senior at AU. It's great to have Kaz00 back in "Mayberry" and back with the band. We had missed our first kazoo!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on September 15, 2009, 01:05:49 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 14, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
I don't think any MAC schools have a regular pep or marching band.  King's (and perhaps other schools) brings in local high schools, which is a nice touch.

Johns Hopkins had a pep band at Del Val's home opener.  Several years ago Rose-Hulman hosted the Women's Basketball Final Four.  DePauw's band traveled from nearby Greencastle (the Tigers were in the Final Four) and played with RHIT's band.  That was cool.

Gordon,

How can you forget the "Pride of the Valley", our sensational band that we have here at LVC?  That's OK, you'll get to see them in about three weeks in what I'm hoping is still a battle of unbeatens to start MAC play. 

Just wondering if there are any other Flying Dutchmen fans on this board, or if I'm going to have to promote our excellent team this year by myself.  With what has been playing out in the first two weeks of the season, it looks like a banner year for the entire MAC!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 15, 2009, 01:29:34 PM
Mmmppfmmpff

That's me talking with my foot in my mouth.  I can't believe I forgot the LVC band (which is very good and adds to a great game day atmosphere) AND the Wilkes band!  And I even broadcasted a full season of home games for the Colonels.  Undoubtedly other places probably have bands, too.  And I should've just kept quiet so people could assume my ignorance instead of posting and removing all doubt.

My apologies.   :-[
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 15, 2009, 03:40:48 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 15, 2009, 01:29:34 PM
Mmmppfmmpff

That's me talking with my foot in my mouth.  I can't believe I forgot the LVC band (which is very good and adds to a great game day atmosphere) AND the Wilkes band!  And I even broadcasted a full season of home games for the Colonels.  Undoubtedly other places probably have bands, too.  And I should've just kept quiet so people could assume my ignorance instead of posting and removing all doubt.
My apologies.   :-[

+K   And the band(s) played on.....

...which makes Pep think of the little orchestra that played during the sinking of the Titanic. Pep just hopes during his days on this good earth, his Saxons stay afloat else Pep will "go down with the ship."

Gordon: That "Mmmppfmmpff" posted above, Pep believes, qualifies you as a legitimate candidate for 2nd kazoo in the AU Pep Band.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: muledaddy on September 15, 2009, 08:29:20 PM

  Gmann,

Doylestown for a 2nd time this week for the DelVal-Wesley showdown....Hopkins-DelVal perhaps we  finally get  a chance to meet since we missed one another at the DelVal-Hopkins opener........DelVal
has the horses to upset the Woverines, iff the defense plays smart., and fast.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 16, 2009, 01:21:53 AM
Quote from: muledaddy on September 15, 2009, 08:29:20 PM

  Gmann,

Doylestown for a 2nd time this week for the DelVal-Wesley showdown....Hopkins-DelVal perhaps we  finally get  a chance to meet since we missed one another at the DelVal-Hopkins opener........DelVal
has the horses to upset the Woverines, iff the defense plays smart., and fast.

Muledaddy,

Great to see you'll be at another fine MAC venue this weekend, but I believe you're a bit confused in terms of my affiliations. I'm not a DelVal guy- rather, the "WU" in my name stands for my beloved alma mater, Wilkes University :) I worked with the Colonels program during my undergrad years- 2004 through 2007 football seasons, and still support the program. I was on here quite a bit during Week 1 since your Mules were playing the Colonels. Great game, and the freshman RB #26 is a heck of a nice guy, and one of the best backs I've seen in six-plus years of D3 football.

Again, sorry for any confusion, but enjoy your time at DelVal- between football and basketball, I visited Doylestown more times (7) over four years than any other school we competed with. And since I remember you said you lived close, see if you can take a shot down when the Colonels visit Work Stadium-should be a good one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 16, 2009, 01:35:18 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 15, 2009, 11:04:42 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 15, 2009, 01:50:05 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 14, 2009, 11:36:25 AM
Some reflections on a wet Saturday in Madison, NJ...seems there were some FDU-Florham fans who weren't too pleased that the AU Pep Band made the trip and played at the game. Pep understands. Pep had ill feelings when the Ithaca College Pep Band appeared at Merrill Field and supported the Bombers before AU mustered its own band. Just didn't seem right that the Bombers seemingly had more support (noise) than the home crowd in those days. That certainly contributed to the re-establishment of an AU Pep Band.

Back to FDU, though, according to some members of the band, there were others who were complimentary of the band, its play, and its dedication to the Alfred University football team. Pep is hoping that the band's appearance at Shields Field Saturday would inspire FDU to start a band of its own--rather than have some of its fans direct chants toward the visiting band, "You suck!" Truth be told, it's tough for a musician to get any sound out of an instrument by sucking.  ;)

What MAC schools actually have pep or marching bands?



Pep,

Glad to see you finally on the MAC board! While I have only been registered on here following my graduation from Wilkes in May of 2008, I have been a "lurker" as some may say, since early in the 2005 season. I've long seen you around the boards and admired your pride in your alma mater- which apparently extends to your pep band activities.

Hope you enjoyed your time at Shields Field, and if you got heckled a bit, I can say from my experences of making many trips to FDU that those guys are probably in the very small minority. The athletics administration, coaches, and players at FDU are some of the nicest people you'll find at any D3 school- that includes Coach Mosca, Equipment Man Mr. Ashby, and many others. I've made many friends and have had great times at all the schools represented on here- DVC, Widener, Lyco, King's- but the folks in Madison are some of the best around.

If the Saxons should ever find their way to Wilkes-Barre, I can say with some certainty that the AU Pep Band and whatever entourage you bring would be most welcomed at Ralston Field. At the moment we have a massive visiting grandstand to set up in, and power can be made available if you really need it. Bar in mind that things may change in the near future- esp. if a much-needed stadium rennovation ever takes shape. But we know how to have a good, safe, fun time at Ralston, so be sure to make the trip if Wilkes-Alfred ever resume their series.

G-manWU:
Pep found the FDU officials to be just as you described. They were most hospitable, gracious hosts...from the AD to the SID to the Press Box DJ. Pep did not have occasion to meet the coach. Indeed, it was a just a few hecklers...and you'll have that most everywhere.

Thanks for extending an invitation to the band should Wilkes-Alfred ever happen again. Pep has the utmost respect for the Colonels since it was at Wilkes that a 15-game AU win streak was snapped back in 1972(?) as Pep listened to the game at home on the radio, in disbelief, as a 14-0 lead evaporated in a 16-14 loss. Pep doesn't remember Wilkes ever visiting Merrill Field. Then, back in 2005, Wilkes was selected ahead of Pep's Saxons who were regionally ranked (NCAA) ahead of Wilkes and knocked off St. John Fisher (ranked ahead of both) 13-7 to seemingly secure a ticket to the NCAA Playoffs. So a meeting of the Colonels and Saxons certainly would be welcomed from this fan's point of view.

Pep is a "townie" sort of turned "gownie." Pep grew up on AU football, following in his father's footsteps (Pep's pops has missed 3 AU home games in 72 years). Pep graduated from SUNY Morrisville in 1976, became employed by AU's Herrick Library beginning in July 2000 and became "honorary alum" in June 2005. Pep started the band with kazoos in 1999 back when AUKaz00 was a senior at AU. It's great to have Kaz00 back in "Mayberry" and back with the band. We had missed our first kazoo!



Pep,

Great to get a reply from a true Post Patterns legend :)

Indeed the FDU crowd is a good bunch- many are NY Giants fans, so that explains some of it!! Glad you and your bunch enjoyed your trip to the MAC. A future meeting between the Colonels and Saxons would be most welcomed, esp. since if that 1972 meeting was the last to date, the two teams last met more than a decade before I was born! We diden't play much in football or basketball in NY State when I was at Wilkes, but the Colonels have now scrimmaged Courtland and Hartwick in successive seasons, so perhaps Coach Shep would look upstate in the future..

As for the NCAA bid, I'll be the first to admit that there were several teams well-deserving of a playoff trip, with Alfred very much being one of the group. But I'll also admit that, IMHO, we were just as deserving as anyone else..putitng up a 8-1 record in a very tough MAC, with the only loss being on the road on a last-second field goal to a powerhouse DVC team that was on it's way to a second straight 12-1 campaign. I still remember being there, camera in hand, when the lecture hall we were watching in exploded in cheers and the like on selection sunday.

To close out, I must tip my hat to the Alfred faithful who posted up at that time, including you I presume. I remember walking back to my dorm after the show thinking "Those Alfred fans are going to rip us big time on the D3 boards" but by the middle of the next week, there were several respectful and well-intentioned posts from Saxon fans, wishing us well and offering congrats on the bid. That's what you call good sportsmanship and class- honestly, I remember reading it all and thinking "I really hope those guiys win their ECAC game... :)"

Three cheers my friend-rock on with your pep band!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 16, 2009, 01:46:45 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 15, 2009, 01:29:34 PM
Mmmppfmmpff

That's me talking with my foot in my mouth.  I can't believe I forgot the LVC band (which is very good and adds to a great game day atmosphere) AND the Wilkes band!  And I even broadcasted a full season of home games for the Colonels.  Undoubtedly other places probably have bands, too.  And I should've just kept quiet so people could assume my ignorance instead of posting and removing all doubt.

My apologies.   :-[

Gordon,

The Colonels called...we want our old radio guy back :) Just kididng of course with the press box comment- I don't know if the Wilkes ensemble was plaing back when you would have been there. But they do a good job now, esp. since there isn't a big music program at Wilkes anymore to draw from. The band makes it fun for everyone- can't beat having the national anthem played in person before a contest.

To be honest, I almost forgot about LVC's "Marching 100" myself, since on my first trip for a game in Annville (2006) the school was on break and the band diden't play :(  But the next season I did see the halftime show and it was a good deal. 2006 was also my only trip to Albright to date and they had a small pep ensemble going also. 

And because I exibit the class and thoughtfulness preached in Wilkes Athletics, I'll even give my props to the MAC castoffs :D Juniata was the only recent MAC venue we diden't play at, and Moravian I was only at once, in a rainstorm. But Susquehanna...not only a very good band, but some very pretty young ladies manning the ranks :) Indeed, for as much as I loved rolling in there wearing the blue and gold and doing my part to represent WU, I was always a bit reluctant to board the bus back to Wilkes-Barre at the end of the game....

Cheers to pep musicians everywhere- keep the show going :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 16, 2009, 07:28:52 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 16, 2009, 01:21:53 AM
Quote from: muledaddy on September 15, 2009, 08:29:20 PM

  Gmann,

Doylestown for a 2nd time this week for the DelVal-Wesley showdown....Hopkins-DelVal perhaps we  finally get  a chance to meet since we missed one another at the DelVal-Hopkins opener........DelVal
has the horses to upset the Woverines, iff the defense plays smart., and fast.

Muledaddy,

Great to see you'll be at another fine MAC venue this weekend, but I believe you're a bit confused in terms of my affiliations. I'm not a DelVal guy- rather, the "WU" in my name stands for my beloved alma mater, Wilkes University :) I worked with the Colonels program during my undergrad years- 2004 through 2007 football seasons, and still support the program. I was on here quite a bit during Week 1 since your Mules were playing the Colonels. Great game, and the freshman RB #26 is a heck of a nice guy, and one of the best backs I've seen in six-plus years of D3 football.

Again, sorry for any confusion, but enjoy your time at DelVal- between football and basketball, I visited Doylestown more times (7) over four years than any other school we competed with. And since I remember you said you lived close, see if you can take a shot down when the Colonels visit Work Stadium-should be a good one.


actually gman-wu your a little confused muledaddy was referring to gordonmann a.k.a. gmann (notice 2 n's)....no worries though  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 17, 2009, 09:34:04 AM
Muledaddy:

Cool.  I'll wear the Tigers hat a la Magnum PI.  No Hawaiian shirt though. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 17, 2009, 05:40:09 PM
gordanmann, i will stop by and say hi since i know you are announcing the game.  it should be a game.  if you get there early i will be in the lot by the gate to the soccer fields, stop by.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hammond5 on September 18, 2009, 08:58:08 AM
Guys,

If you're wondering how FDU-Florham is going to bounce back this weekend against perennial NJAC foe, TCNJ, check out my blog.

http://tcnjlionsfootball.com

The Lions resemble the 2007 unit that won the share of the conference championship, versus the one that stumbled in 2008 toward a 4-6 finish (4-5 NJAC).

Hope you enjoy
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 18, 2009, 09:29:10 AM
Quote from: hammond5 on September 18, 2009, 08:58:08 AM
Guys,

If you're wondering how FDU-Florham is going to bounce back this weekend against perennial NJAC foe, TCNJ, check out my blog.

http://tcnjlionsfootball.com

The Lions resemble the 2007 unit that won the share of the conference championship, versus the one that stumbled in 2008 toward a 4-6 finish (4-5 NJAC).

Hope you enjoy

Given this report on College of New Jersey, it appears to Pep that the FDU-Florham Devils don't stand much of a chance. Perhaps Winters will do something about that.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 18, 2009, 09:38:54 AM
First, Best luck to all the MAC teams this weekend!  In this morning's Express-Times there's a great article on Brittany Ryan, the junior kicker for Lebanon Valley College.  Brittany is also a graduate of Easton Area High School where she was also the kicker.  The piece was written by Tom Hinkel, thinkel@express-times.com
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on September 18, 2009, 02:34:57 PM
Quote from: hammond5 on September 18, 2009, 08:58:08 AM
Guys,

If you're wondering how FDU-Florham is going to bounce back this weekend against perennial NJAC foe, TCNJ, check out my blog.

http://tcnjlionsfootball.com

The Lions resemble the 2007 unit that won the share of the conference championship, versus the one that stumbled in 2008 toward a 4-6 finish (4-5 NJAC).

Hope you enjoy

I think the truth will be found somewhere in between. TCNJ's offense is probably even better than last year – however, their defense might only be marginally better than the lackluster crew which Winters shredded last season. Even though TCNJ might have been missing a couple of key defenders who were sidelined by injuries two weeks ago against Buffalo, drawing the conclusion that THIS defense is in the same league as the Lions' 2007 defense, is premature and probably way off the mark.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 18, 2009, 02:57:03 PM
Should be a good game tonight....Go Devils! Beat them Lions!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on September 18, 2009, 09:04:23 PM
48-7 TCNJ in the first half. Man, do I stand corrected!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 18, 2009, 09:08:07 PM
Quote from: phil on September 18, 2009, 09:04:23 PM
48-7 TCNJ in the first half. Man, do I stand corrected!

Let's mark this day down in history. ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 18, 2009, 09:58:29 PM
Quote from: phil on September 18, 2009, 09:04:23 PM
48-7 TCNJ in the first half. Man, do I stand corrected!

This certainly doesn't look good for Alfred...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 18, 2009, 10:37:02 PM
Programming note...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Wesley

The last two games between these teams have been very close and very entertaining.  Here's hoping for another one tomorrow.  If you can't make it to Doylestown, click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx) to listen. 

Pregame starts at 12:40 with kickoff at 1 pm.  The audio link will not work until the broadcast is on the air with the pregame show. The broadcasts also requires Windows Media Player 9.0 or later on your computer.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on September 18, 2009, 10:44:22 PM
Rams,
My crystal ball becomes clouded at times all the way down here in Texas!  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 18, 2009, 11:30:57 PM
Cheers to everyone who has teams playing this Saturday, in the MAC or elsewhere. Big battle in Doylestown, but some other good games brewing in the league and around the region. Wilkes is off, and I'll be covering my first game at "The Pit" in Clarks Summit, one of PA's best venues for Saturday HS football. Have fun and safe travels everyone :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hammond5 on September 19, 2009, 03:00:31 AM
hey guys,

if anyone's interested in reading my post-game recap of the Devils' game vs. TCNJ feel free to check out the story through the link below...

http://tcnjlionsfootball.com/2009/09/18/fdupostgam/

hope you guys enjoyed your weekend.

http://tcnjlionsfootball.com
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 19, 2009, 10:04:19 AM
Good luck to all the MAC teams today! Here's hoping the Aggies can catch lightening in a bottle for the 2nd year in a row...not gonna be easy, but let's hope Clem an staff have the defense fired up and ready
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wdelsean on September 19, 2009, 10:03:56 PM
If anyone is interested, here is (partial) video of Delaware Valley's Charles Squitiere returning a missed field goal 109 yards for a touchdown in the 31-13 loss to Wesley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSq3RQUerrw
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LD2781 on September 20, 2009, 03:22:34 PM
fdu should be embarrassed by that performance (or lack therof) on Friday. 58 points and 500+ total yards says enough. gut check time in Madison, NJ..........
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on September 20, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
...708 total yards for TCNJ to be exact - a school record.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on September 23, 2009, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: phil on September 20, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
...708 total yards for TCNJ to be exact - a school record.

Damn I wish I had known that. I didn't see the release from the school.

New column is up
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/east/2009/Utica+takes+RPI+to+the+brink
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 24, 2009, 12:09:54 PM
dlip feel it may be time for some TCNJ lovin in the East Region poll. If they continue the way they are playing this team will demand attention. dlip knows he may have not looked their way yet, but he is now. Gosh darn it dlip really thought Rowan was going to handle Cortland.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 24, 2009, 12:35:10 PM
Quote from: dlippiel on September 24, 2009, 12:09:54 PM
dlip feel it may be time for some TCNJ lovin in the East Region poll. If they continue the way they are playing this team will demand attention. dlip knows he may have not looked their way yet, but he is now. Gosh darn it dlip really thought Rowan was going to handle Cortland.

gosh darn it? dlip goin' clean on the boards?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on September 24, 2009, 12:36:45 PM
According to their frozen "Live Stats" page, TCNJ had 540 total yards in the first half alone on the way to the 48-7 lead.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on September 24, 2009, 01:14:08 PM
Quote from: dlippiel on September 24, 2009, 12:09:54 PM
dlip feel it may be time for some TCNJ lovin in the East Region poll. If they continue the way they are playing this team will demand attention. dlip knows he may have not looked their way yet, but he is now. Gosh darn it dlip really thought Rowan was going to handle Cortland.

Rowan kept the offense pretty vanilla for the backup QB.  Starter was out with an ankle injury. Would have been a tough game either way, but playing without the #1 was a factor.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 25, 2009, 02:16:21 PM
Programming note...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Nobody

Delaware Valley plays nobody this week because the Aggies have the week off.  But I essentially write the same post every Friday, so why should this one be any different?

If you can't make it Doylestown, don't worry about it.  There isn't a game there anyway.  So go see another game, take a walk in the park, mow the lawn, whatever.  Conference play begins next week.

Click here to hear silence.  This broadcast won't require any software to listen because it won't exist.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 25, 2009, 02:38:34 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 25, 2009, 02:16:21 PM
Programming note...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Nobody

Delaware Valley plays nobody this week because the Aggies have the week off.  But I essentially write the same post every Friday, so why should this one be any different?

If you can't make it Doylestown, don't worry about it.  There isn't a game there anyway.  So go see another game, take a walk in the park, mow the lawn, whatever.  Conference play begins next week.

Click here to hear silence.  This broadcast won't require any software to listen because it won't exist.

pbr will be recording the broadcast to replay at dvc's homecoming day....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 26, 2009, 02:57:54 PM
Hold on Gordon, DVC beat DeSale's this afternoon at Doylestown   8).  Yes, not football - field hockey.   Seriously, that game next week with Leb Val looks interesting - the way they beat Moravian last Sat. shows me that they're out for blood - GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: hammond5 on September 26, 2009, 10:51:27 PM
i know it's out of conference, but if anyone's interested how the TCNJ lions have fared thus far, feel free to check out my blog

http://tcnjlionsfootball.com

thanks, fellas. hope you're all enjoying an action-packed weekend of college football
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 01, 2009, 07:34:01 PM
Just wanted to get the MAC back on top of the message board, especially with conference play starting up this weekend.  Let's talk opening weekend in the MAC...

Widener at FDU-Florham
Wilkes at Albright
Lycoming at King's
Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley

Who do you like this weekend and why?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 02, 2009, 08:05:39 AM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 01, 2009, 07:34:01 PM
Just wanted to get the MAC back on top of the message board, especially with conference play starting up this weekend.  Let's talk opening weekend in the MAC...

Widener at FDU-Florham
Wilkes at Albright
Lycoming at King's
Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley

Who do you like this weekend and why?

FDU-Florham  28, Widener 24.......................Bill Winters plays better in his own sandbox.
Wilkes 31, Albright 20 ..................................The Colonels' D turns the lights off for the otherwise Albright team.
Lycoming 37, King's 13 .................................The Warriors net the Monarchs in their Big MAC opener.         
Lebanon Val 28, Delaware Valley 24 (OT)......Pep's upset special....Dutchmen delight Kids' Day crowd @ Arnold.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 02, 2009, 08:24:25 AM
dlip thinks this weekend the MAC will begin to sort out the cluster**** of what appears to be a very strong conference in 09. Needless to say dlip is looking forward to how this weekend plays out and if he will still have 3 MAC teams in his ERP next week. The MAC may be gunning for top conference in the East here in 09. We shall see. By the way, Happy ****in Friday to all!

Wilkes at Albright: dlip concurrs with the very cool Pep; Wilkes D shuts the door and ends Albrights undefeated start: Wilkes: 28 Albright: 14


Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley (Battle of the motha****in Valleys: In this match-up dlip feels Del Val is a bit to strong and brings Leb Val back to earth, reminding them it may take just a little bit longer before they become an upper epchelon East Region Team: Del Val: 24 Leb Val 21
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Boxer7806 on October 02, 2009, 10:43:22 AM
Anytime Dlippiel posts I just have to smile... no one posts like he does. And that is a compliment.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 02, 2009, 11:37:58 AM
pbr thinks widener is a little too strong for fdu....widener wins 24-10
                 albright has been flying under everyones radar and wins at home 21-17
                 lyco is just too strong for kings  and lyco wins 28-7
                 dvc is still too strong for leb val plus dvc is coming off a bye week well rested. dvc wins 31-14
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 02, 2009, 11:58:19 AM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on October 02, 2009, 10:43:22 AM
Anytime Dlippiel posts I just have to smile... no one posts like he does. And that is a compliment.

Thanks Boxer +k
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Boxer7806 on October 02, 2009, 12:40:30 PM
Does anyone share my opinion that Wilkes and Deleware Valley are the class of this leauge? I just think in the end, these two teams will prevail on top. I know Wilkes has been getting the most love on the ERP, but I think head to head, Deleware Valley might be them. I credit the fast start of some of the other teams strictly to a weak schedule. Any opinions?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 02, 2009, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on October 02, 2009, 12:40:30 PM
Does anyone share my opinion that Wilkes and Deleware Valley are the class of this leauge? I just think in the end, these two teams will prevail on top. I know Wilkes has been getting the most love on the ERP, but I think head to head, Deleware Valley might be them. I credit the fast start of some of the other teams strictly to a weak schedule. Any opinions?

that is exactly why this weekend is huge...a large %  of people have been touting wilkes all season. now they play a very good albright team that has been hanging in the shadows but is very well coached and has good players. this is a gigantic game for both those teams and will let everyone know either wilkes is as good as people have been thinking or albright was going to be one of the teams at the top of the mac like pbr thought at the end of the season. weather could also play a huge factor in the mac games tomorrow w/ at least morning rain forecasted and possibly into the afternoon....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 02, 2009, 02:26:06 PM
Sorry, but I'm not buying Wilkes being up in the class of the MAC with Delaware Valley and Albright until they do it against MAC opponents.  The Muhlenburg win has been devalued after Gettysburg dominated them, and while the Montclair State win was impressive and the Christopher Newport win was a good one, I'm still not convinced either of them is top notch this year.  With quarterback play being at a premium, you still have to go through four year starters Mike Isgro and Tanner Kelley if you're going to win the MAC.  This goes for my Flying Dutchmen as well, who get their shot to prove themselves against the Aggies tomorrow.  Until Lebanon Valley wins a big game in conference, they can't be mentioned in the elite class either.

While I know that Gordon usually has the market on Delaware Valley broadcasts, if you are looking for a different view from the underdog program, the Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley game can be heard at http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml (http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml).  You need Real Player to listen, but it is a free download.  Here's to a great weekend of MAC action starting tonight at FDU!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on October 02, 2009, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 02, 2009, 02:26:06 PM
Sorry, but I'm not buying Wilkes being up in the class of the MAC with Delaware Valley and Albright until they do it against MAC opponents.  The Muhlenburg win has been devalued after Gettysburg dominated them, and while the Montclair State win was impressive and the Christopher Newport win was a good one, I'm still not convinced either of them is top notch this year.  With quarterback play being at a premium, you still have to go through four year starters Mike Isgro and Tanner Kelley if you're going to win the MAC.  This goes for my Flying Dutchmen as well, who get their shot to prove themselves against the Aggies tomorrow.  Until Lebanon Valley wins a big game in conference, they can't be mentioned in the elite class either.

While I know that Gordon usually has the market on Delaware Valley broadcasts, if you are looking for a different view from the underdog program, the Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley game can be heard at http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml (http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml).  You need Real Player to listen, but it is a free download.  Here's to a great weekend of MAC action starting tonight at FDU!

Of course you're not sold on Wilkes, you're a Leb Valley fan.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 02, 2009, 06:16:46 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 02, 2009, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on October 02, 2009, 12:40:30 PM
Does anyone share my opinion that Wilkes and Deleware Valley are the class of this leauge? I just think in the end, these two teams will prevail on top. I know Wilkes has been getting the most love on the ERP, but I think head to head, Deleware Valley might be them. I credit the fast start of some of the other teams strictly to a weak schedule. Any opinions?

that is exactly why this weekend is huge...a large %  of people have been touting wilkes all season. now they play a very good albright team that has been hanging in the shadows but is very well coached and has good players. this is a gigantic game for both those teams and will let everyone know either wilkes is as good as people have been thinking or albright was going to be one of the teams at the top of the mac like pbr thought at the end of the season. weather could also play a huge factor in the mac games tomorrow w/ at least morning rain forecasted and possibly into the afternoon....

Well said PBR it is going to be a telling weekend in the MAC for sure.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 02, 2009, 08:13:22 PM
Halftime score:
Widener 27, FDU-Florham 0

also at the half:
Kean 14, TCNJ 7
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 02, 2009, 08:45:49 PM
QuoteWhile I know that Gordon usually has the market on Delaware Valley broadcasts, if you are looking for a different view from the underdog program...

Wow.  Well, let me try to hit my implied role.  <Clears throat.  uses Darth Vader voice>

Ha, ha, ha! Puny resistance!  The Empire of Delaware Valley will seek to quash the resistance of the insolent Lebanon Valley Flying Dutchmen!  If you're tie fighter cannot lock coordinates on Annville, then I command you to sit at your computer terminal and listen to the overdog broadcast.

Delaware Valley
vs.
Lebanon Valley

The battle begins at 1300 Eastern Standard Time, USA, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy..  Our prebattle briefing will begin at 12:45 pm.

Click here to listen (http://athletics.delval.edu/sports/2008/9/5/FB_09football%20broadcast.aspx?id=41) or face the consequences!  You will need the force, a wampa and Windows Media Player to access this broadcast.

Do not disappoint me.  Mwuhahahaha!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.easyart.com%2Fi%2Fprints%2Frw%2Flg%2F6%2F5%2FStar-Wars-Darth-Vader---Luke-Skywalker-Lightsaber-Duel-65544.jpg&hash=2b849dbc43e90bf44076f11e0adc3d7471a8061f)

;) at BAK4LVC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 03, 2009, 12:07:53 AM
 ;) back at ya, Gordon.  I look forward to seeing you again tomorrow.  I just hope that the force is strong in the home team!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 03, 2009, 01:18:59 AM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 02, 2009, 02:26:06 PM
Sorry, but I'm not buying Wilkes being up in the class of the MAC with Delaware Valley and Albright until they do it against MAC opponents.  The Muhlenburg win has been devalued after Gettysburg dominated them, and while the Montclair State win was impressive and the Christopher Newport win was a good one, I'm still not convinced either of them is top notch this year.  With quarterback play being at a premium, you still have to go through four year starters Mike Isgro and Tanner Kelley if you're going to win the MAC.  This goes for my Flying Dutchmen as well, who get their shot to prove themselves against the Aggies tomorrow.  Until Lebanon Valley wins a big game in conference, they can't be mentioned in the elite class either.

While I know that Gordon usually has the market on Delaware Valley broadcasts, if you are looking for a different view from the underdog program, the Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley game can be heard at http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml (http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml).  You need Real Player to listen, but it is a free download.  Here's to a great weekend of MAC action starting tonight at FDU!

BAK4LVC,

You want to talk senior QB play in the MAC, and how Wilkes may not measure up in that catagory? Let's talk....

I've seen the first two Wilkes games this year, and I can tell you that the play of senior QB Rob Johnson has been a major factor in the 3-0 start. While he may not get as much attention as the more ballyhooed seniors around the MAC, Rob is a great athlete who is in his second year as a starter, and has grown very much in his four years with the team. I worked with the program during his first two years- he even lived nextdoor to me in his freshman year. So don't sleep on the Colonels because of QB play- Johnson is powering that offense, and a young group of wideouts is earning their stripes as they go along.

As for the schedule, Muhlenberg was in a rebuilding year from the start- everyone knew that. But if any of you are wondering how Wilkes is going to tackle Albright's horse, look at the Colonels game with Muhlenberg. In 7 years of following/working in the MAC I've seen some darn good backs- Steve Cook, Chris Jacobs, Richard Jackson...and Muhlenberg has a freshman RB who has the potential to be as good as  any of them. While I haven't seen the rest of the Centennial, I would be shocked if that guy isn't in the running for rookie of the year in the league. So the Colonels have some experience with that, and the D-line has been developing more and more each week. Still, the strenght of the team is the secondary- five experienced, heady guys back there, all with great awareness, toughness, and charecter.

So my friend, take it from a Wilkes insider......this is the sharpest, most focused Wilkes team since the title year of 2006, which gave me that nice ring on top of my dresser ;) Hopefully we'll see you at Ralston Field next week- until then, enjoy this week's action!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on October 03, 2009, 01:51:51 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 03, 2009, 01:18:59 AM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 02, 2009, 02:26:06 PM
Sorry, but I'm not buying Wilkes being up in the class of the MAC with Delaware Valley and Albright until they do it against MAC opponents.  The Muhlenburg win has been devalued after Gettysburg dominated them, and while the Montclair State win was impressive and the Christopher Newport win was a good one, I'm still not convinced either of them is top notch this year.  With quarterback play being at a premium, you still have to go through four year starters Mike Isgro and Tanner Kelley if you're going to win the MAC.  This goes for my Flying Dutchmen as well, who get their shot to prove themselves against the Aggies tomorrow.  Until Lebanon Valley wins a big game in conference, they can't be mentioned in the elite class either.

While I know that Gordon usually has the market on Delaware Valley broadcasts, if you are looking for a different view from the underdog program, the Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley game can be heard at http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml (http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml).  You need Real Player to listen, but it is a free download.  Here's to a great weekend of MAC action starting tonight at FDU!

BAK4LVC,

You want to talk senior QB play in the MAC, and how Wilkes may not measure up in that catagory? Let's talk....

I've seen the first two Wilkes games this year, and I can tell you that the play of senior QB Rob Johnson has been a major factor in the 3-0 start. While he may not get as much attention as the more ballyhooed seniors around the MAC, Rob is a great athlete who is in his second year as a starter, and has grown very much in his four years with the team. I worked with the program during his first two years- he even lived nextdoor to me in his freshman year. So don't sleep on the Colonels because of QB play- Johnson is powering that offense, and a young group of wideouts is earning their stripes as they go along.

As for the schedule, Muhlenberg was in a rebuilding year from the start- everyone knew that. But if any of you are wondering how Wilkes is going to tackle Albright's horse, look at the Colonels game with Muhlenberg. In 7 years of following/working in the MAC I've seen some darn good backs- Steve Cook, Chris Jacobs, Richard Jackson...and Muhlenberg has a freshman RB who has the potential to be as good as  any of them. While I haven't seen the rest of the Centennial, I would be shocked if that guy isn't in the running for rookie of the year in the league. So the Colonels have some experience with that, and the D-line has been developing more and more each week. Still, the strenght of the team is the secondary- five experienced, heady guys back there, all with great awareness, toughness, and charecter.

So my friend, take it from a Wilkes insider......this is the sharpest, most focused Wilkes team since the title year of 2006, which gave me that nice ring on top of my dresser ;) Hopefully we'll see you at Ralston Field next week- until then, enjoy this week's action!

Hey G,

Can't sleep, came down stairs and saw you lurking. I think Wilkes is the real deal also. As I said (3) weeks ago you guys are tough and well coached. We start to step it up against Willy P tomorrow and see what happens from there. Good luck tomorrow.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 03, 2009, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: rams1102 on October 03, 2009, 01:51:51 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 03, 2009, 01:18:59 AM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 02, 2009, 02:26:06 PM
Sorry, but I'm not buying Wilkes being up in the class of the MAC with Delaware Valley and Albright until they do it against MAC opponents.  The Muhlenburg win has been devalued after Gettysburg dominated them, and while the Montclair State win was impressive and the Christopher Newport win was a good one, I'm still not convinced either of them is top notch this year.  With quarterback play being at a premium, you still have to go through four year starters Mike Isgro and Tanner Kelley if you're going to win the MAC.  This goes for my Flying Dutchmen as well, who get their shot to prove themselves against the Aggies tomorrow.  Until Lebanon Valley wins a big game in conference, they can't be mentioned in the elite class either.

While I know that Gordon usually has the market on Delaware Valley broadcasts, if you are looking for a different view from the underdog program, the Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley game can be heard at http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml (http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml).  You need Real Player to listen, but it is a free download.  Here's to a great weekend of MAC action starting tonight at FDU!

BAK4LVC,

You want to talk senior QB play in the MAC, and how Wilkes may not measure up in that catagory? Let's talk....

I've seen the first two Wilkes games this year, and I can tell you that the play of senior QB Rob Johnson has been a major factor in the 3-0 start. While he may not get as much attention as the more ballyhooed seniors around the MAC, Rob is a great athlete who is in his second year as a starter, and has grown very much in his four years with the team. I worked with the program during his first two years- he even lived nextdoor to me in his freshman year. So don't sleep on the Colonels because of QB play- Johnson is powering that offense, and a young group of wideouts is earning their stripes as they go along.

As for the schedule, Muhlenberg was in a rebuilding year from the start- everyone knew that. But if any of you are wondering how Wilkes is going to tackle Albright's horse, look at the Colonels game with Muhlenberg. In 7 years of following/working in the MAC I've seen some darn good backs- Steve Cook, Chris Jacobs, Richard Jackson...and Muhlenberg has a freshman RB who has the potential to be as good as  any of them. While I haven't seen the rest of the Centennial, I would be shocked if that guy isn't in the running for rookie of the year in the league. So the Colonels have some experience with that, and the D-line has been developing more and more each week. Still, the strenght of the team is the secondary- five experienced, heady guys back there, all with great awareness, toughness, and charecter.

So my friend, take it from a Wilkes insider......this is the sharpest, most focused Wilkes team since the title year of 2006, which gave me that nice ring on top of my dresser ;) Hopefully we'll see you at Ralston Field next week- until then, enjoy this week's action!

Hey G,

Can't sleep, came down stairs and saw you lurking. I think Wilkes is the real deal also. As I said (3) weeks ago you guys are tough and well coached. We start to step it up against Willy P tomorrow and see what happens from there. Good luck tomorrow.


rams1102,

Good to see you on- I was up for the crash-extended version of Formula 1 qualifying for this week's race, s I had to check in as well. Thanks for the compliment- hopefully the guys will keep it going today against a very good Albright team.

Make sure the Red Hawks take it to Willy P today- we lost to them twice when I was with the Colonels and should have won them both. Have fun out there!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 03, 2009, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 03, 2009, 01:18:59 AM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 02, 2009, 02:26:06 PM
Sorry, but I'm not buying Wilkes being up in the class of the MAC with Delaware Valley and Albright until they do it against MAC opponents.  The Muhlenburg win has been devalued after Gettysburg dominated them, and while the Montclair State win was impressive and the Christopher Newport win was a good one, I'm still not convinced either of them is top notch this year.  With quarterback play being at a premium, you still have to go through four year starters Mike Isgro and Tanner Kelley if you're going to win the MAC.  This goes for my Flying Dutchmen as well, who get their shot to prove themselves against the Aggies tomorrow.  Until Lebanon Valley wins a big game in conference, they can't be mentioned in the elite class either.

While I know that Gordon usually has the market on Delaware Valley broadcasts, if you are looking for a different view from the underdog program, the Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley game can be heard at http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml (http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml).  You need Real Player to listen, but it is a free download.  Here's to a great weekend of MAC action starting tonight at FDU!

BAK4LVC,

You want to talk senior QB play in the MAC, and how Wilkes may not measure up in that catagory? Let's talk....

I've seen the first two Wilkes games this year, and I can tell you that the play of senior QB Rob Johnson has been a major factor in the 3-0 start. While he may not get as much attention as the more ballyhooed seniors around the MAC, Rob is a great athlete who is in his second year as a starter, and has grown very much in his four years with the team. I worked with the program during his first two years- he even lived nextdoor to me in his freshman year. So don't sleep on the Colonels because of QB play- Johnson is powering that offense, and a young group of wideouts is earning their stripes as they go along.

As for the schedule, Muhlenberg was in a rebuilding year from the start- everyone knew that. But if any of you are wondering how Wilkes is going to tackle Albright's horse, look at the Colonels game with Muhlenberg. In 7 years of following/working in the MAC I've seen some darn good backs- Steve Cook, Chris Jacobs, Richard Jackson...and Muhlenberg has a freshman RB who has the potential to be as good as  any of them. While I haven't seen the rest of the Centennial, I would be shocked if that guy isn't in the running for rookie of the year in the league. So the Colonels have some experience with that, and the D-line has been developing more and more each week. Still, the strenght of the team is the secondary- five experienced, heady guys back there, all with great awareness, toughness, and charecter.

So my friend, take it from a Wilkes insider......this is the sharpest, most focused Wilkes team since the title year of 2006, which gave me that nice ring on top of my dresser ;) Hopefully we'll see you at Ralston Field next week- until then, enjoy this week's action!


well pbr thinks bak4lvc is serving a nice helping of crow to several posters...bak4lvc called it. HUGE win for DVC today. the weekend is breaking out just like pbr predicted in his picks for the games. widener wins, dvc, albright (winning well into the 4th), waiting for a lyco/kings score...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 03, 2009, 03:57:08 PM
Holy **** Albright you are on the ****ing map for sure. Great W today!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 03, 2009, 04:03:20 PM
lyco/kings score was closer than pbr thought...24-21 lyco win...good day of games across the mac today. well done everyone
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 03, 2009, 05:26:28 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 03, 2009, 04:03:20 PM
lyco/kings score was closer than pbr thought...24-21 lyco win...good day of games across the mac today. well done everyone

congrats on the big dvc win pbr
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 03, 2009, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 03, 2009, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 03, 2009, 01:18:59 AM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 02, 2009, 02:26:06 PM
Sorry, but I'm not buying Wilkes being up in the class of the MAC with Delaware Valley and Albright until they do it against MAC opponents.  The Muhlenburg win has been devalued after Gettysburg dominated them, and while the Montclair State win was impressive and the Christopher Newport win was a good one, I'm still not convinced either of them is top notch this year.  With quarterback play being at a premium, you still have to go through four year starters Mike Isgro and Tanner Kelley if you're going to win the MAC.  This goes for my Flying Dutchmen as well, who get their shot to prove themselves against the Aggies tomorrow.  Until Lebanon Valley wins a big game in conference, they can't be mentioned in the elite class either.

While I know that Gordon usually has the market on Delaware Valley broadcasts, if you are looking for a different view from the underdog program, the Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley game can be heard at http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml (http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml).  You need Real Player to listen, but it is a free download.  Here's to a great weekend of MAC action starting tonight at FDU!

BAK4LVC,

You want to talk senior QB play in the MAC, and how Wilkes may not measure up in that catagory? Let's talk....

I've seen the first two Wilkes games this year, and I can tell you that the play of senior QB Rob Johnson has been a major factor in the 3-0 start. While he may not get as much attention as the more ballyhooed seniors around the MAC, Rob is a great athlete who is in his second year as a starter, and has grown very much in his four years with the team. I worked with the program during his first two years- he even lived nextdoor to me in his freshman year. So don't sleep on the Colonels because of QB play- Johnson is powering that offense, and a young group of wideouts is earning their stripes as they go along.

As for the schedule, Muhlenberg was in a rebuilding year from the start- everyone knew that. But if any of you are wondering how Wilkes is going to tackle Albright's horse, look at the Colonels game with Muhlenberg. In 7 years of following/working in the MAC I've seen some darn good backs- Steve Cook, Chris Jacobs, Richard Jackson...and Muhlenberg has a freshman RB who has the potential to be as good as  any of them. While I haven't seen the rest of the Centennial, I would be shocked if that guy isn't in the running for rookie of the year in the league. So the Colonels have some experience with that, and the D-line has been developing more and more each week. Still, the strenght of the team is the secondary- five experienced, heady guys back there, all with great awareness, toughness, and charecter.

So my friend, take it from a Wilkes insider......this is the sharpest, most focused Wilkes team since the title year of 2006, which gave me that nice ring on top of my dresser ;) Hopefully we'll see you at Ralston Field next week- until then, enjoy this week's action!


well pbr thinks bak4lvc is serving a nice helping of crow to several posters...bak4lvc called it. HUGE win for DVC today. the weekend is breaking out just like pbr predicted in his picks for the games. widener wins, dvc, albright (winning well into the 4th), waiting for a lyco/kings score...

Well, PBR, I would have loved to have been wrong (at least about my Flying Dutchmen), but coming into the year, there just seemed to be two teams on paper that were ahead of the rest.  They showed themselves today.  Congrats to the Aggies on their road win.  Can't say we didn't have our chances, but when you throw for less than 40 yards in a game and turn it our three times, you aren't going to beat the conference elite.  I will say this, the Flying Dutchmen offensive line is the best in the conference and our Parker/Guiles combo in the backfield is second to none.  Now if we could just make the big plays when they need to be made like Isgro seemed to do all game long...

I now will look forward to next week's virtual elimination game with Wilkes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 03, 2009, 08:13:57 PM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 03, 2009, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on October 03, 2009, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 03, 2009, 01:18:59 AM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 02, 2009, 02:26:06 PM
Sorry, but I'm not buying Wilkes being up in the class of the MAC with Delaware Valley and Albright until they do it against MAC opponents.  The Muhlenburg win has been devalued after Gettysburg dominated them, and while the Montclair State win was impressive and the Christopher Newport win was a good one, I'm still not convinced either of them is top notch this year.  With quarterback play being at a premium, you still have to go through four year starters Mike Isgro and Tanner Kelley if you're going to win the MAC.  This goes for my Flying Dutchmen as well, who get their shot to prove themselves against the Aggies tomorrow.  Until Lebanon Valley wins a big game in conference, they can't be mentioned in the elite class either.

While I know that Gordon usually has the market on Delaware Valley broadcasts, if you are looking for a different view from the underdog program, the Delaware Valley at Lebanon Valley game can be heard at http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml (http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml).  You need Real Player to listen, but it is a free download.  Here's to a great weekend of MAC action starting tonight at FDU!

BAK4LVC,

You want to talk senior QB play in the MAC, and how Wilkes may not measure up in that catagory? Let's talk....

I've seen the first two Wilkes games this year, and I can tell you that the play of senior QB Rob Johnson has been a major factor in the 3-0 start. While he may not get as much attention as the more ballyhooed seniors around the MAC, Rob is a great athlete who is in his second year as a starter, and has grown very much in his four years with the team. I worked with the program during his first two years- he even lived nextdoor to me in his freshman year. So don't sleep on the Colonels because of QB play- Johnson is powering that offense, and a young group of wideouts is earning their stripes as they go along.

As for the schedule, Muhlenberg was in a rebuilding year from the start- everyone knew that. But if any of you are wondering how Wilkes is going to tackle Albright's horse, look at the Colonels game with Muhlenberg. In 7 years of following/working in the MAC I've seen some darn good backs- Steve Cook, Chris Jacobs, Richard Jackson...and Muhlenberg has a freshman RB who has the potential to be as good as  any of them. While I haven't seen the rest of the Centennial, I would be shocked if that guy isn't in the running for rookie of the year in the league. So the Colonels have some experience with that, and the D-line has been developing more and more each week. Still, the strenght of the team is the secondary- five experienced, heady guys back there, all with great awareness, toughness, and charecter.

So my friend, take it from a Wilkes insider......this is the sharpest, most focused Wilkes team since the title year of 2006, which gave me that nice ring on top of my dresser ;) Hopefully we'll see you at Ralston Field next week- until then, enjoy this week's action!


well pbr thinks bak4lvc is serving a nice helping of crow to several posters...bak4lvc called it. HUGE win for DVC today. the weekend is breaking out just like pbr predicted in his picks for the games. widener wins, dvc, albright (winning well into the 4th), waiting for a lyco/kings score...

Well, PBR, I would have loved to have been wrong (at least about my Flying Dutchmen), but coming into the year, there just seemed to be two teams on paper that were ahead of the rest.  They showed themselves today.  Congrats to the Aggies on their road win.  Can't say we didn't have our chances, but when you throw for less than 40 yards in a game and turn it our three times, you aren't going to beat the conference elite.  I will say this, the Flying Dutchmen offensive line is the best in the conference and our Parker/Guiles combo in the backfield is second to none.  Now if we could just make the big plays when they need to be made like Isgro seemed to do all game long...

I now will look forward to next week's virtual elimination game with Wilkes.

its good to see lvc coming around. Isgro is just amazing, we have been very lucky at dvc to have 2 great quarterbacks for the last 8 years. knoblauch and now isgro. pbr really hopes people/fans of dvc appreciate how lucky we are to have that high of caliber qbs. The coaching staff deserves a lot of credit as well at dvc. Now go beat wilkes and show the mac that lvc is coming on strong. The season still has a looooong way to go, so yes pbr really anticipates the match w/ albright but there is still lyco, widener and rest of the mac teams lying in wait...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 03, 2009, 09:49:22 PM
King's was leading that game late against Lycoming.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 05, 2009, 10:34:59 AM
MAC getting no love in the poll. Del Val gets (28 votes), understandable to an extent but with their only loss coming at the hands of a down right nasty Wesley and their solid win over Leb Val dlip feels they warrent a bit more consideration. Especially when you have Cortland (sporting a 24-10 loss to Kean) at #19 and Ithaca at #20(losing to Union (2 votes) and playing very close games with Utica and Wick). Then you have Albright smoking a solid Wilkes team and only getting 2 votes? dlip isn't understanding the rational behind that. Just some thoughts for discussion today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2009, 10:50:18 AM
Well, I think this week in particular there were not a lot of votes up for grabs since none of the Top 25 lost. Hard to make big gains when there's nobody to lose a lot of points.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 05, 2009, 12:06:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2009, 10:50:18 AM
Well, I think this week in particular there were not a lot of votes up for grabs since none of the Top 25 lost. Hard to make big gains when there's nobody to lose a lot of points.

Makes sense, that with 25 W's from 25 ranked teams, the room for movement is minimal at best. Yet if Albright keeps it up and even Del Val to an extent both may be deserving of some top 25 love from the Guru and co ;).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 05, 2009, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: dlippiel on October 05, 2009, 12:06:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2009, 10:50:18 AM
Well, I think this week in particular there were not a lot of votes up for grabs since none of the Top 25 lost. Hard to make big gains when there's nobody to lose a lot of points.

Makes sense, that with 25 W's from 25 ranked teams, the room for movement is minimal at best. Yet if Albright keeps it up and even Del Val to an extent both may be deserving of some top 25 love from the Guru and co ;).

pbr thinks the guru and kmack address that on the front page of d3football.com (havent listened to the podcast yet) but they say intro no one lost in the top 25 and and maybe the best 25 arent in the top 25. point being ( i agree w/ this mostly) that you cant really drop a team in the standings if they won their games. i.e. eventhough dvc won a tough game at leb val who do u drop in the top 25? all the teams won and did what they were supposed to in order to stay ranked
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 05, 2009, 08:55:28 PM
To Del Val's Sport's Information Director, Matt Levy, it's a real pick me up to listen to the play of the week on the DVC  sports web site.  Thanks, Matt!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 05, 2009, 09:15:06 PM
To me, we're seeing the same thing in the D3 rankings as we do in the other levels of college football.  The easy thing to do is to say, "This was how I ranked them last  week and no one lost, so my rankings don't change."  But with each game that is played, we learn more and more about each team and the quality of their competition.  What scares me a little is that Deleware Valley had a nice win over previous unbeaten Lebanon Valley... and lost nine points in the poll!  Wilkes was at 57 points, got waxed by undefeated Albright, and all Albright could muster was 2 points?  Does this mean that the MAC is no longer relevant nationally, at least in the eyes of the voters?  The balance of the conference (four different tournament representatives in last four years), combined with the recent early exits in the championship tournament by the MAC champion (Lycoming 08, Widener 07) may be hurting the MAC's national profile.  Looks like it's going to take some postseason success this year to put the MAC back on the national map.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 06, 2009, 12:19:52 PM
From having voted in polls like and including this one for years, I know there are a lot of different, subjective and at times contradictory ways to approach filling out the Top 25 ballot.  Multiply that by 25 people and it becomes really hard to generalize, though it generates interesting, good football talk.

Personally I dropped a few teams who won this past week  because other teams picked up wins that I considered more impressive.  I try to make sure my ballot has some internal consistency (i.e. "If Bethel very narrowly lost to St. John's and Wheaton, and I have those two teams in the Top 10, then what does that say about Bethel?").  But that doesn't always work out.  There are teams on my ballot that lost to other teams whom I don't put in the Top 25 right now.

Just remember that it is deceiving to look at one team on the list in isolation because the voter may not be thinking in those terms, except at the very highest ranks ("I know Mount Union/UWW is the best team in the country so they are No. 1 regardless of others").  So Albright and Del Val's change in poll votes is likely related to a lot of other teams' success.

And there has always been a strong correlation between NCAA playoff success and higher poll rankings in the following year.  The last two years haven't helped the MAC in that regard.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 06, 2009, 12:21:48 PM
Oh, and Kate, be sure to send me your address so I can pay you appropriately for the marketing testimony. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 06, 2009, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 06, 2009, 12:19:52 PM
From having voted in polls like and including this one for years, I know there are a lot of different, subjective and at times contradictory ways to approach filling out the Top 25 ballot.  Multiply that by 25 people and it becomes really hard to generalize, though it generates interesting, good football talk.

Personally I dropped a few teams who won this past week  because other teams picked up wins that I considered more impressive.  I try to make sure my ballot has some internal consistency (i.e. "If Bethel very narrowly lost to St. John's and Wheaton, and I have those two teams in the Top 10, then what does that say about Bethel?").  But that doesn't always work out.  There are teams on my ballot that lost to other teams whom I don't put in the Top 25 right now.

Just remember that it is deceiving to look at one team on the list in isolation because the voter may not be thinking in those terms, except at the very highest ranks ("I know Mount Union/UWW is the best team in the country so they are No. 1 regardless of others").  So Albright and Del Val's change in poll votes is likely related to a lot of other teams' success.

And there has always been a strong correlation between NCAA playoff success and higher poll rankings in the following year.  The last two years haven't helped the MAC in that regard.

so did u vote for dvc and albright to be in the top 25?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 06, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Neither, actually.

On Del Val, I see them more than any other school and have seen every game for six years now.  I think this particular team has a lot of potential to do something special this year but also watched them play poorly (offensively at least) against FDU-Florham and Lycoming last year.  With that more moderated view in mind, I wanted to see how they'd handle Leb Val - a tough team playing well at home - and Del Val passed with flying colors.  Unfortunately there were very few upsets last week and nowhere to put Del Val...yet.

Albright was a little further down my radar until last week.  Like Del Val, I wanted to see what they'd do with Wilkes and they aced that test.  If I only had room for one team at this point, I'd go with Del Val based on the strength of non-conference opponents.  But, again, the lack of upsets didn't produce a lot of ballot turnover.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 06, 2009, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 06, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Neither, actually.

On Del Val, I see them more than any other school and have seen every game for six years now.  I think this particular team has a lot of potential to do something special this year but also watched them play poorly (offensively at least) against FDU-Florham and Lycoming last year.  With that more moderated view in mind, I wanted to see how they'd handle Leb Val - a tough team playing well at home - and Del Val passed with flying colors.  Unfortunately there were very few upsets last week and nowhere to put Del Val...yet.

Albright was a little further down my radar until last week.  Like Del Val, I wanted to see what they'd do with Wilkes and they aced that test.  If I only had room for one team at this point, I'd go with Del Val based on the strength of non-conference opponents.  But, again, the lack of upsets didn't produce a lot of ballot turnover.



BOOOOOOOOO!!!   ;)     see your point although me thinks dvc should at least be ranked in the 20-25 range....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 06, 2009, 04:29:11 PM
  If you look at the poll closely you'll see a number of teams  total vote numbers changed in the top 25 even though none lost. And a few teams changed places in the rankings as well
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 08, 2009, 02:45:38 PM
All right, here's the slate of games for this week, probably highlighted by Albright at Lycoming.  Who ya got?

Albright at Lycoming
Lebanon Valley at Wilkes
FDU-Florham at Delaware Valley
King's at Widener
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 08, 2009, 02:58:10 PM
My predictions...

Albright 27, Lycoming 10 - Lions defense is possbily most underrated part of this team.  They may struggle to get Holmes going, but Kelly to Romig is almost impossible to stop.

Lebanon Valley 28, Wilkes 17 - Flying Dutchmen ground attack rolled up school record yards last year on Wilkes.  Rob Johnson will get his, but LVC prevails.

Delaware Valley 41, FDU-Florham 16 - Doubt the Aggies will get caught flat-footed two years in a row against FDU.

Widener 24, King's 7 - The Pride seem to be flying under the radar right now, but I've noticed.  A team to be reckoned with and should have little trouble dispatching the Monarchs at home.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 09, 2009, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 08, 2009, 02:45:38 PM
All right, here's the slate of games for this week, probably highlighted by Albright at Lycoming.  Who ya got?

Albright at Lycoming
Lebanon Valley at Wilkes
FDU-Florham at Delaware Valley
King's at Widener


first game is not easy to pick...albright coming off a big emotional game, and has a long trip up to lyco. and lyco had a tough time w/ kings last weekend. that being said lyco isnt sneaking up on people this year and teams have another year to see their off. and defense. albright and their qb are a little too strong for lyco and albright pulls it out in the 4th qtr. and  wins 21-17.

2nd game is interesting....can leb val pull themselves back together and not let last weekends loss ruin their season. wilkes had a very tough game/loss at albright. Initially i thought lvc might score a win here but they are going to have to prove to me they are ready for the bright lights... wilkes wins 28-24

3rd game is a revenge game...dvc better came out w/ a chip on their shoulder and deliver a payback for last years set back. they need to come out early and set the tone. they are a better team in every facet of the game and need to show it. dvc wins 31-14.

4th game...kings is coming off a tough loss to lyco and and widener is quietly going thru the mac this year w/ most of the focus on dvc/albright and lvc's solid start. widener is too tough at home. widener is going to win this game 28-10.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 09, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
Yep, it's that time again.  If you can't make it to Doylestown tomorrow, please tune into...

Delaware Valley
vs.
FDU-Florham

Can the Devils do it to Del Val twice in a row?  Or will the Aggies delight the Family Day crowd?

Click here (http://athletics.delval.edu/sports/2008/9/5/FB_09football%20broadcast.aspx?id=41) to listen.

The broadcast begins with pregame coverage at 12:40 pm and requires Windows Media Player to listen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 10, 2009, 08:08:42 AM
Here's an link to our audio broadcast of the Lebanon Valley at Wilkes clash, beginning at 12:45.

http://www.pennlive.com/wmss/audio/ (http://www.pennlive.com/wmss/audio/)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 10, 2009, 10:26:18 AM
BAK4LVC,

If you're in the house at Ralston today, track me down. I should be wearing jeans, and one of our team travel jackets from a few years back. Hope you enjoy the day :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FLOA52 on October 10, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
I was unable to make my first home coming since I have graduated.  I am stuck in South Korea working.  So I stayed up and listen to the game.  The only way to get the game was to listen to the LVC radio.  The announcers are not great.  I was not a fan of them.  The color guy I am not sure he knows that much about football.  The reason why is because he calls out a great CHOP block.  I think we all know that a CHOP block is illegal.  I think what he was meaning was a great CUT block.  I know it is minor but it upset me, there were a few times here and there they were not good.  But sorry for Wilkes.  I was hoping they won.  But I miss Homecoming.  My first time since I played and we won the Mac.  I have been here for 3 weeks and have listened to all their games and I thought they were going to do what my team did in 2006. But what can you do.  There is a lot of potential with the Wilkes team.  It is tough for me because I know Coach Shep is a great coach and he can work with what he has.  I believe in a few years Wilkes will be on top of its game again.  Let's go Wilkes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 10, 2009, 04:23:42 PM
Good job Albright.  Looks like the meat of the schedule is in front of them but it is nice to see a good team that can play defense as well as hang some points and yards.  Hope all of you in here are well as it has been awfully quiet in here this year.  Listened to the stream at work today and enjoyed it like old times.

Lanes '93
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 10, 2009, 04:43:08 PM
wow...2 big wins today in the mac for lvc over wilkes and kings over widener...dvc took care of business and albright really man handled lyco by the score....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 10, 2009, 09:09:49 PM
Congrats Aggies on your win against FDU, beating a team you were expected to beat is a good sign! Keep it rolling!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 10, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
Congratulations to the Aggies on their win today.  Has anyone else noticed that both Johns Hopkins & Kean just keep winning, & they each have just one loss (at least i think Kean has just one) - and who handed them their loss?  Hopefully King's could maybe beat Albright next week?!?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 10, 2009, 10:29:25 PM
Impressive win for LVC today at Ralston Field. It wasen't fancy, but the Dutchmen get it doen with a hard-nosed running game, and just enough of a passign game to keep it moving. I was also impressed with the LVC defense- they have always had size, but now more and more talent as well. It appeared they went to a 3-4 defense this year, and the loo apparently works. So to BAK4LVC and the rest, a tip of the hat from the blue and gold faithful.

Elsewhere, a very, very nice win for King's on the road- we all know how tough of a place it is at Quick Stadium. I fully expect Albright to slide into the Top 25 somewhere this week, as Pearson Field is always a great place to watch football, but a tough place to play...indeed a statement win. Apparently a good game with DVC-FDU as well...a good Aggies team breaks through to keep moving.

Cheers everyone!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on October 12, 2009, 06:51:04 PM
Good points Gman, anyone with some thoughts on Kings this year and what to expect at Albright this week.  The suspence is finally starting to build.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on October 14, 2009, 05:53:00 PM
New ATR is posted! (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/east/2009/The+East+Region%3F+Well%2C+it%27s+not+pretty)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 14, 2009, 08:22:56 PM
For anyone who hasn't seen (or heard) it yet, we have a podcast with FDU coach Rich Mosca and QB Bill Winters linked off the front page.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 15, 2009, 09:50:51 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 14, 2009, 08:22:56 PM
For anyone who hasn't seen (or heard) it yet, we have a podcast with FDU coach Rich Mosca and QB Bill Winters linked off the front page.

Nice job, Gordon! Having seen Winters at Merrill Field last year (he gave the Saxons fits in the first half, leading FDU to a 14-0 lead before AU put a second half together to win 21-14); he battled to the end in Madison in Sept. when the Saxons had to put together a long drive to get the winning TD with 27 seconds to go, after AU had led 21-7 at halftime. His versatility as a QB makes him particularly effective...the kid connected on a long ball for a TD and also ran 75 yards for a TD.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 15, 2009, 10:46:02 AM
And if you are intrigued, after hearing Gordon's podcast with Bill Winters and his coach, Rich Mosca, to find out how FDU-Florham does this week, they host Lebanon Valley this Saturday afternoon.  The broadcast of the game can be heard live at http://www.pennlive.com/wmss/audio/ (http://www.pennlive.com/wmss/audio/).  Pregame starts at 12:40.  Kickoff is at 1:00.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 16, 2009, 05:10:18 PM
And if you are intrigued by Wilkes after the Lebanon Valley broadcast last week...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Wilkes

Tune into the broadcast at 1 pm tomorrow (12:40 pregame coverage) to hear what will likely be a tightly contested battle between the Aggies and the Colonels.  Forget the conference records.  Wilkes always fights (take that, Wabash).

Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx) to listen.

On Winters, I was struck by how upbeat he was after the Delaware Valley game.  From my very limited perspective, he seems like a great leader for that team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on October 17, 2009, 12:10:08 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 16, 2009, 05:10:18 PM
And if you are intrigued by Wilkes after the Lebanon Valley broadcast last week...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Wilkes

Tune into the broadcast at 1 pm tomorrow (12:40 pregame coverage) to hear what will likely be a tightly contested battle between the Aggies and the Colonels.  Forget the conference records.  Wilkes always fights (take that, Wabash).

Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx) to listen.

On Winters, I was struck by how upbeat he was after the Delaware Valley game.  From my very limited perspective, he seems like a great leader for that team.

Are you driving into the Trick Zone? Duuuude...is Gary going to be there?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 17, 2009, 10:29:05 AM
After a truly horrendous Phillie loss last night, it will be so good to settle in at the computer & listen to Gordon Mann call the Aggie/Wilkes game this afternoon.  Despite the weather, i hope the homecoming crowd is still wild (well, wet, anyway  :'() GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 19, 2009, 08:35:34 AM
another nice win for dvc as wilkes is always a tough team. but the schedule doesnt get any easier as now dvc has to go up to williamsport to take on lyco. lyco is another team that scares pbr. lets go dvc no let up keep grinding
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on October 21, 2009, 06:38:13 PM
New column is up! (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/east/2009/Rowan+getting+no+respect)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 23, 2009, 08:44:06 AM
Safe trip to the Aggie squad heading up to Williamsport tomorrow, & good luck with Lyco!  At least it won't be too cold - wet, yes, so ease on up there to the mountains.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 23, 2009, 08:45:18 AM
lets go aggies!! big game this weekend in williamsport! pbr's sister is a lyco grad and does not want to her to have bragging rights over thanksgiving day dinner!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 24, 2009, 01:05:46 AM
If you can't make it to Williamsport to see in person whether PBR or his sister will have bragging rights, we'll make the trip for you...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Lycoming

Pregame coverage begins at 12:45 pm with kickoff at 1 pm.  Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx) to listen.

And pass the gravy, PBR.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 25, 2009, 11:16:06 AM
Great half time interview yesterday Gordon & Matt Levy, but i really thought in addition to the discussion of the fall teams, that you guys would talk up the basketball squads - just ran out of time, i guess.  It was good to hear about the wrestling team, however.  As always, i really enjoyed listening (especially since the Aggies took it  ;)), & i sincerely hope that everyone who needs to get healthy does!  i think you know who i mean.  Again, it was a great way to brighten up an otherwise crappy afternoon!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 26, 2009, 09:15:19 AM
Congrats Aggies on a big win at Lyco--a place where anything can and usually does happen--defense stood tough and made big plays all day long!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 28, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
Check out Adam Samrov's Around the Region column for a nice story (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/east/2009/Leb+Val+staying+in+a+three-team+race) on the Lebanon Valley Flying Dutchmen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2009, 07:44:21 AM
Good Luck to  dvc traveling up to kings this weekend....no let up keep grinding!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 30, 2009, 11:55:50 AM
A week in the MAC where there appear to be clear favorites, but strange things tend to happen on Halloween!  Will Mike Isgro's absence give King's a chance to pull off a shocker?

Delaware Valley at King's
FDU-Florham at Albright
Wilkes at Lycoming
Lebanon Valley at Widener (You can listen to this game live at http://www.pennlive.com/wmss/audio/ (http://www.pennlive.com/wmss/audio/)

On a side note, I echo Gordon's praise for Adam Samrov's ATR column on Lebanon Valley.  Rare air for this program this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 30, 2009, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on October 30, 2009, 11:55:50 AM
A week in the MAC where there appear to be clear favorites, but strange things tend to happen on Halloween!  Will Mike Isgro's absence give King's a chance to pull off a shocker?

Delaware Valley at King's
FDU-Florham at Albright
Wilkes at Lycoming
Lebanon Valley at Widener (You can listen to this game live at http://www.pennlive.com/wmss/audio/ (http://www.pennlive.com/wmss/audio/)

On a side note, I echo Gordon's praise for Adam Samrov's ATR column on Lebanon Valley.  Rare air for this program this year.

fyi...media reports are still not confirming isgro is definetly out for this week...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on October 30, 2009, 02:00:21 PM
PBR,

I'm just basing on what Gordon wrote in today's Triple Take.  I would have to think he'll be limited even if he does play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2009, 07:53:46 AM
Unless something has changed from midweek, Isgro is not playing today.  Take away Isgro and add a road trip to Wilkes-Barre and today's Del Val-King's game should be a good one.  Of course, if you can't make it to Wilkes-Barre...

Delaware Valley
vs.
King's

Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx) to listen with pregame coverage starting at 12:40 pm and pregame at 1 pm.  The broadcast will require Windows Media 9.0 or later to listen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2009, 12:18:42 PM
Confirmed: Mike Isgro will not play today.  His status for next week is still open.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 31, 2009, 01:06:54 PM
Nice start for Hatty and the Aggies 7-0 opening drive
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 31, 2009, 01:13:46 PM
Make that 14-0 another Hatty to Whiteside pass! :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: maAggie on October 31, 2009, 01:13:46 PM
Make that 14-0 another Hatty to Whiteside pass! :D

DVC up 34-14 in the 3rd qtr! woohoo!!!   8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2009, 02:47:52 PM
DVC now up 40-14...never would of guessed this big an offensive showing for dvc! Everyone said Hatty would be starting for many other teams if it werent for Isgro being at DVC and looks like they are right!

P.S. Gordon you sound good up there in po-key-nose.....  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2009, 03:07:29 PM
DVC piling it on 47-14....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 31, 2009, 03:30:24 PM
Very nice offensive showing by the Aggies today! Congrats to Hatty and the rest of the O! It should be noted that although Hatty doesn't take many reps with the 1st team in practice up to this week, but he's been the 1st stringer during spring ball as Mike plays baseball during that time...

Nice job Aggies ;D ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2009, 03:32:42 PM
HUGE WIN for DVC!!! Well Done w/ Isgro out hurt but sounds like he will be back next week!!     
Senior Day and Albright for all the marbles next week at DVC. Come out and support DVC next week!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 31, 2009, 04:19:02 PM
Good, solid win today for the Aggies with Mark Hatty performing very well as back-up quarterback!  Congratulations!  Gordon, i heard you at half time, & will be listening to next week's half time show to hear about the basketball teams.  Sure hope it's a happy half time :D!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2009, 08:44:23 PM
Thanks for listening, everyone.  Mark Hatty and the offense put on quite a show.  It was an especially impressive performance by the offensive line.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 01, 2009, 01:03:49 PM
Anyone have a matchup review this week on Albright versus Delvall as this looks like the one for all the enchaladas?  What type of injury does Isgro have?  Who is filling in his shoes?  It has been a pretty interesting year although it hase been rather quiet in here lots of fun nonetheless...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 01, 2009, 11:53:55 PM
Isgro injured his shoulder during the first drive of the second half against Lycoming.  The official word is that he'll be examined by the doctor on Tuesday and the team will go from there.  Junior Mark Hatty made his first start in Isgro's place on Saturday at King's and went 16 for 22 with 267 yards and three touchdowns.

Hopefully we get a good game on Saturday.  But remember that Albright cannot clinch the title on Saturday unless Lycoming also beats Lebanon Valley.  If the Flying Dutchmen win on Saturday and the Lions win, then the enchaladas move to the following Saturday for Leb Val/Albright. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 02, 2009, 12:07:55 PM
a good recap of the dvc game vs. kings w/ quotes from isgro and hatty

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/november/01/hatty-helps-delval-past-kings.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 03, 2009, 07:37:19 PM
Looks like Isgro is playing against Albright.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 04, 2009, 03:19:45 PM
New Regional Rankings:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/11/04/ncaa-regional-rankings-take-2/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 04, 2009, 04:58:58 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 03, 2009, 07:37:19 PM
Looks like Isgro is playing against Albright.

maAggie

where did you here that the wesley QB had left the team???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 1990 Champs on November 04, 2009, 05:54:44 PM
Really looking forward to Saturday's matchup in Doylestown.  Disappointed that there's not more Albright chatter on this thread.  Although anything can happen in the final week, I think we will see the two best teams in the MAC going at it Saturday.  It's a shame that a scheduling quirk has this game at Del Val two years in a row, depriving Albright of the atmosphere that comes with such an important conference (and region) game.

This game will be far more interesting than last year's 34-9 Aggie's win.  Albright and Del Val have 4 common conference opponents - FDU-Florham, Wilkes, Lycoming and Kings, and both squads played Wilke and FDU at home and Lyco and Kings on the road.  Point differential in these wins was +87 for Del Val, and +80 for Albright.  With Albright carrying the offensive advantage putting up 152 points to Del Val's 132 in those games, and Del Val's defense holding those opponents to a total of 45 points and Albright's defense holding those teams to a collective 72 points. 

In last year's contest, Albright was able to move the ball early in each half, but Delaware Valley's offensive line was the difference as the Aggies controlled the fourth quarter and rushed for more than 200 yards.  Critical sacks by Del Val's defense and an interception return for a touchdown on a fake field goal gave the Aggies all the momentum going away.

Albright has not been receiving a whole lot of respect this year, but there are several reasons to think that the Lions will earn MAC respect this week.

1.  Tanner Kelly has transformed from very good to great.  This is his offense this year, and if Albright can keep it close, he is more than capable of delivering.

2. The Albright receiving corps is a little deeper and perhaps a bit more talented than it was last year.  Although it is still Nate Romig's show 6 players have 10 or more catches this year, and 3 have 20 or more.  It seems every week someone new steps up besides Romig.

3.  Albright's defense has vastly improved since last year's meeting.  Albright is more athletic up front, and capable of stopping the Aggies' ground game.  They have a stronger group of linebackers, and should be able to get off of the field on third downs far better than they did last year.

Overall, I think Delaware Valley is as good as they were last year, which is not damning them with faint praise.  I think they were the best team in the MAC and would have represented the conference in the playoffs better than Lycoming did.  I still think the Albright is going to Doylestown to prove themselves, and they are better in enough key spots to do just that.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2009, 12:49:33 AM
1990 Champs:

Good to have some chatter of any kind on this board.  Other than LANES, there aren't many Albright fans around.  In fact, this board has been pretty quiet all season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 1990 Champs on November 05, 2009, 10:13:55 AM
I have a hard time understanding why the MAC doesn't get a lot of respect.  Although they have not had a recent national championship game participant recently, the MAC's overall post-season winning percentage is .600 over the last 10 years, and is .550 in the NCAA tourney.  Three quarterfinal appearances during that time.

The league has changed membership, obviously, but the top of the MAC has competed very well with the NJCAC.  It would be nice to see them match up more often with the Liberty League or Empire 8 and some of the New England schools.  I think the depth of the MAC is better than ever with Lebanon Valley emerging as a legitimate contender for the crown, and teams like Widener, Wilkes and Lyco stuck in the middle of that conference this year, every week is a challenge in that conference.



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 05, 2009, 11:56:59 AM
Quote from: 1990 Champs on November 05, 2009, 10:13:55 AM
I have a hard time understanding why the MAC doesn't get a lot of respect.  Although they have not had a recent national championship game participant recently, the MAC's overall post-season winning percentage is .600 over the last 10 years, and is .550 in the NCAA tourney.  Three quarterfinal appearances during that time.

The league has changed membership, obviously, but the top of the MAC has competed very well with the NJCAC.  It would be nice to see them match up more often with the Liberty League or Empire 8 and some of the New England schools.  I think the depth of the MAC is better than ever with Lebanon Valley emerging as a legitimate contender for the crown, and teams like Widener, Wilkes and Lyco stuck in the middle of that conference this year, every week is a challenge in that conference.





LVC's coaching staff and players deserve a ton of credit for turning that program around....its been a slow process but really nice to see...thought we might see warren thompson around more w/ lvc doing more but if he's around he isnt posting much on this board
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2009, 04:57:17 PM
uPBRmeASAP:

Warren is still around, but he doesn't wish to jinx things by crowing about LVC's success this season. As well, he's still recovering from bacterial pneumonia --diagnosed on vacation in August, of course -- and lung surgery for an empyema. [Ralph Turner MD will surely know what I'm talking about.]

And, yes, Jim Monos and his staff deserve many kudos for what they've done.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on November 05, 2009, 09:51:20 PM
This weekend will be a great game.  Wish I could be there. 

My prediction is that Albright gets it done this year.  Kelly and Romig are seniors, and they are playing like it.   Not to mention that the defense has been on fire with the exception of last week.

I hope to see Isgro playing for DV this weekend, and hopefully he is as healthy as he can be. I think he needs to be there, for it to be the same atmosphere.  He is very very impressive.

How crazy will it be to see Albright LVC as a potential MAC championship.  When is the last time LVC beat Albright?


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on November 05, 2009, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: dog on November 05, 2009, 09:51:20 PM
This weekend will be a great game.  Wish I could be there. 

My prediction is that Albright gets it done this year.  Kelly and Romig are seniors, and they are playing like it.   Not to mention that the defense has been on fire with the exception of last week.

I hope to see Isgro playing for DV this weekend, and hopefully he is as healthy as he can be. I think he needs to be there, for it to be the same atmosphere.  He is very very impressive.

How crazy will it be to see Albright LVC as a potential MAC championship.  When is the last time LVC beat Albright?



The answer to your question, dog, is 2006.  LVC won, 55-33, in a game where Adam Brossman caught 14 passes for a school-record 337 yards.  Albright coach EJ Sandusky was fired on the spot after the game.  Tanner Kelly was 21-26 for 430 yards and 5 TDs in the game for Albright.  My guess is that this year's game, whether for the MAC title or not, will actually have a little bit more defensive presence.

The better question may be, when was the last time that Albright beat Delaware Valley?  That answer is 2002, a year where Albright went 2-8 and their other win was against ...Lebanon Valley.  I'm going to go with Albright to beat the Aggies in 2009.  I thought coming into the year they were the most complete team in the MAC, and nothing has happened that has changed that opinion.  Doesn't mean I won't be rooting for the Flying Dutchmen to to beat them next week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 06, 2009, 07:47:21 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2009, 04:57:17 PM
uPBRmeASAP:

Warren is still around, but he doesn't wish to jinx things by crowing about LVC's success this season. As well, he's still recovering from bacterial pneumonia --diagnosed on vacation in August, of course -- and lung surgery for an empyema. [Ralph Turner MD will surely know what I'm talking about.]

And, yes, Jim Monos and his staff deserve many kudos for what they've done.

good to see u around warren! thought you might be battling all your ill's still and that was why you werent around. a great job done by the lvc staff and kids for buying into the program.  Sorry i think dvc rolls this weekend. Its going to be a shoot out. I really like the way the oline is coming together and the defense is gelling as well. DVC wins 35-28
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 06, 2009, 03:16:02 PM
Please win tomorrow's game, Green & Gold!  Heck if the Albright fans had a "red out", it'd look like Christmas with DVC getting the early gift - i HOPE!  Get better, Warren!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 07, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
Good to hear from you, Warren.  Hope you'll continue to recover.

If, like dog, you can't make it to today's showdown in Doylestown, please consider listening to...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Albright

Click here (http://athletics.delval.edu/sports/2008/9/5/FB_09football%20broadcast.aspx?id=41) to listen.

Pregame starts at 12:40 with kickoff at 1 pm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2009, 11:31:35 AM
Thanks for your kind words, Gordon. One of my new projects is to stay out of hospitals (especially operating rooms).   ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 07, 2009, 03:26:57 PM
wow...dvc up 24-0 on albright....go dvc!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 07, 2009, 03:31:15 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 07, 2009, 03:26:57 PM
wow...dvc up 24-0 on albright....go dvc!

31-0 last i checked.  congrats pbr - big win for the Ags.  you guys are def #1 in my book. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 07, 2009, 03:37:49 PM
That said, have fun with Mount Union in the regional finals... LOL just kidding.  I couldn't be so bold as to look so far ahead. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 07, 2009, 03:38:14 PM
WOW!!!  Way to go AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 07, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
PG04:

I said the same thing to Aggies Coach Jim Clements.  Needless to say, he's not too concerned about that at this point. :)

He has done a tremendous job, as has Offensive Coordinator Duke Grecco and Assistant Head Coach Greg Fedick, maintaining the momentum that Mangus started.  As Keith said in ATN this week[/url, this is now a successful program and not just one very special four year run.

(http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2009-11-05/A+week+of+rivalry+and+revelry)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 07, 2009, 05:16:55 PM
Here's a weird note for you.  Depending on next week's finals, the MAC could have wins over conference champions from the NJAC (Kean beaten by Del Val), Centennial (JHU beaten by Del Val), ODAC (Randolph-Macon beaten by King's), Liberty League (Susquehanna beaten by Lycoming) and NEFC (Curry beaten by Widener).  Or none of those teams could win the title. :)

Actually, the MAC is guaranteed of a win over the NJAC since that crown goes to Kean or Montclair State (beaten by Wilkes).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 07, 2009, 05:18:41 PM
Long live the MAC!  er-- something. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 07, 2009, 05:21:21 PM
Just got back from the Delval/Albright beat down.  Congrats to Delval for winning the MAC and good luck in the playoffs, you should certainly get one if not 2 home games.  I was very surprised on how bland Albright's offense was, they ran out of the same formation almost every play with little success.  Delval was clearly the better team, bigger, faster, and better coached.  More evidence that being undefeated doe not equal Top 25.  Albright is far away from that lable the way they played today.

Nice to talk to you again Gordan, looks like you will be busy for a couple more weeks broadcasting Delval games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 07, 2009, 06:43:49 PM
In my total excitement over the Aggie win, forgot to ask Gordon if Matt Levy is OK?  Since the game seemed in hand, was out helping the family on leaf duty & missed half time - did hear the Intelligencer reporter, though.  Then, heard you, Gordon, say something about Rosemont, so i assume you talked a little B'ball.  Still on an Aggie high!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Boxer7806 on November 07, 2009, 07:33:16 PM
I just want to thank DVU for making my poll look good. I had them at # 1 for the past few weeks over Albright and Alfred.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 07, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
Gotta give it to the Aggies, that was one heck of a performance from the opening whistle to the TD by #2! Coach Greco has certainly grown into the O-coordinator position and thought today's play calls were proof that he's made this HIS offense. Coach Clement's defense was awesome once again, and they certainly showed who was the better team in all aspects of the game today!

Congrats to all the seniors who have had four great seasons, and especially Mike Isgro who has been a pleasure to watch play the game. Neither he nor Coach Greco had an easy time erasing the memory of their predecessors, but I think both have done so admirably.

Another MAC championship and Coach Clem's first NCAA bid, speaks volumes about the program. Congrats to Gesswein on tying the sack record, look forward to seeing him break it next week.

Sorry to hear Warren has been under the weather, and congrats to LebVal for a big win. The MAC has certainly proven it's strength this year vs their out of conference opponents and perhaps have gained a little more respect in the process. The Aggies can bring even more respect by making a lot of noise in the NCAA's,

Congrats again to the Aggies...let's close it out big against Widner and add the Keystone Cup to the 2009 spoils.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 08, 2009, 02:13:14 AM
Kate:

It was a special day at Del Val and I don't want it to end yet, so I'm still prowling the message boards. :)

Matt is fine (and very happy, too, I suspect), but he's normally pretty busy at half time of the home games.  Hopefully he can join me to talk some hoops at half time of the Widener game.  I did talk a little women's hoops, mainly teasing the two women's basketball players who work in the press box to see if I could get a rise out of them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 09, 2009, 10:25:57 AM
Hats off to Del Val.  Once again had Albrights number from the start.  Good job on the top 25 here as it was more accurate than the coaches poll.  Good job Pat and Crew.

Even though it was a quiet year in here it still is a way to bring back fond memories of my D3 years and a place to once again connect with the inner beast that we all once enjoyed. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2009, 11:15:32 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 08, 2009, 02:13:14 AM
Kate:

It was a special day at Del Val and I don't want it to end yet, so I'm still prowling the message boards. :)

Matt is fine (and very happy, too, I suspect), but he's normally pretty busy at half time of the home games.  Hopefully he can join me to talk some hoops at half time of the Widener game.  I did talk a little women's hoops, mainly teasing the two women's basketball players who work in the press box to see if I could get a rise out of them.

what an incredible performance by dvc well done by everyone. such be fun this wrestling season when dvc hosts the midwest regional championships. that is a must go to for dvc fans to support the home team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 10, 2009, 12:59:51 PM
Since KS will be busy tomorrow.

November 11 is the day set aside to honor all Veterans of the Armed Forces of United States of America living and dead.  While we remember our fallen comrades who have paid the ultimate price today is also to thank our living Veterans for their service to our great nation.  Here is wishing all veterans a happy Veterans Day and many more and thank you for all you have done and all you are doing.

Michael Dougherty
Sr. Vice Commander
District 3 Department of New Jersey
Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on November 10, 2009, 04:31:59 PM
New ATR East is posted! Playoff scenarios! (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/east/2009/Liberty+League%2C+Empire+8%2C+NJAC+still+up+for+grabs)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 10, 2009, 07:26:02 PM
Just up on the Aggie athletic site is a fantastic highlight reel of Saturday's DVC game with Albright produced by Sophomore media communication's major, Brett Longcor.  Please check it out Aggie fans - it definitely puts a smile on your face!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 11, 2009, 02:13:22 PM
Final Regional Rankings that we'll get to see publicly are now available:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/

Springfield does not fall far and remains above Union and Maine Maritime, which both stay at #10 and #9 respectively.  Interesting set of rankings.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: muledaddy on November 11, 2009, 05:02:06 PM


Go Aggies,

The team looks good for the run in the playoffs. two home games would be a nice start, and well deserved.
I look forward to seeing the green and gold kick up a storm in the rare air of the playoff commpetition.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 12, 2009, 12:10:05 AM
ECAC Bowl (North Subregion) Update (Final List with Updated Records)

The following teams have applied for consideration for ECAC Championship games on 11/21/09 from the North Subregion of the ECAC:

Maine Maritime (8-1, 6-1) *
Alfred (7-1, 3-1) * /
Plymouth State (8-2, 6-1)
Union (7-2, 6-0) *
SUNY-Cortland (7-2, 7-2)
Springfield (7-2, 3-2) *
St. John Fisher (5-3, 3-1) +
Hartwick (5-3, 1-3) +
Gallaudet (6-4, 4-2)
---------------------------
RPI (4-4, 2-4)
Framingham State (5-5, 3-4)
Utica (4-5, 0-4) X /
Brockport State (3-6, 2-6) X

Records are overall followed by respective league records.  Line represents projected cut based on current NCAA Playoff berths, although line could be one or two levels too high (thus allowing one or two four-loss teams into the ECAC Bowls if two teams above line enter NCAA Playoffs).

* - Team could still win an NCAA berth.

+, / - Team plays against another team in the list in future game.

X - Team currently does not have record that would allow it to be considered (>=.500 overall or in league).


Six teams will be picked from the list of teams that file for consideration.  The deadline for consideration without late fee was THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH at 5pm EST.  

Teams will be selected by the ECAC Football Championships Committee on or about 11/15/09 (following selection of the NCAA Playoffs field).  Teams historically have been selected by win-loss record except when ties exist.  The #1 team hosts the #6 team, the #2 team hosts the #5 team and the #3 team hosts the #4 team, unless the higher-seeded team does not file to host the game.  All games begin at 12pm local time on 11/21/09.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 12, 2009, 01:22:14 PM
interesting that a DVC JHU rematch could take place in Doylestown for the 1st round of the playoffs...I think the Aggies are a much better team at this point in the season than when they met the first time....

Two home games would be a repeat from the 2005 season and quite an accomplishment for Coach Clement's team.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on November 12, 2009, 02:22:57 PM
First of all, congrats to a very deserving MAC champion.  I remember talking to Gordon before (or after, exact timing was sketchy) the Delaware Valley vs. Lebanon Valley game about the strength of the conference this season.  The comment "I don't think anyone in the MAC will go unbeaten in conference play" was made, and I thought to myself that if somebody would, it would probably be DVC.  May a #2 seed be in your future (assuming you beat Widener) and success in the NCAAs.

Now to the big game of the week that more and more is projecting to be a Pool C play-in game between Lebanon Valley and Albright.  Biggest game in school history for the Flying Dutchmen.  Last postseason appearance of any kind was in 1951.  With a win, the nine wins will be a school record.  Are they ready to make that jump as a football program?  As I said earlier this season, I'm going to have to see it happen first, but I feel more confident that they can do it than I was earlier this year against DVC.  Just gotta prove it on the field.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 12, 2009, 03:09:15 PM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on November 12, 2009, 02:22:57 PM
First of all, congrats to a very deserving MAC champion.  I remember talking to Gordon before (or after, exact timing was sketchy) the Delaware Valley vs. Lebanon Valley game about the strength of the conference this season.  The comment "I don't think anyone in the MAC will go unbeaten in conference play" was made, and I thought to myself that if somebody would, it would probably be DVC.  May a #2 seed be in your future (assuming you beat Widener) and success in the NCAAs.

Now to the big game of the week that more and more is projecting to be a Pool C play-in game between Lebanon Valley and Albright.  Biggest game in school history for the Flying Dutchmen.  Last postseason appearance of any kind was in 1951.  With a win, the nine wins will be a school record.  Are they ready to make that jump as a football program?  As I said earlier this season, I'm going to have to see it happen first, but I feel more confident that they can do it than I was earlier this year against DVC.  Just gotta prove it on the field.

well the biggest foe for the teams this weekend? could be the weather...this storm right off the coast is growing huge and could be 1 of the biggest storms here in the last 50 years and could easily hang around thru saturday. winds are whipping and could easily see wind gusts over 50mph and sustained winds over 30mph....and rain will get heavier tomorrow and saturday. which could somewhat neutralize kellys throwing ability...so which ever team doesnt turn the ball over and can run the ball and win the battle of field position could come out the winner....a lot on riding on this game and weather could be a huge factor just 1 thing to keep in mind
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 12, 2009, 09:28:42 PM
Well, it has been several weeks since I last visited here. I know some of the shallow-minded folk may suggest that I disappeared just as Wilkes went on their 3-game MAC losing streak, but the reality was that work (as a weekly newspaper writer) and 9 credits of grad school (at a local, non-MAC school) fired up at the same time. But I have kept tabs on the league at the same time.

First, congrats to the Aggies and the DVC faithful, including the several DVC people who have been regulars on here for some time. It's never easy to go undefeated in the MAC and the Aggies have put together a heck of a year. Some people may say that the Mangus era lives on, but I prefer to give Coach Clemens the full credit- the program has been consistent each year and all the credit to him for putitng together a championship-winning team.

As for the play-in pool C game between LVC and Albright, for sure the winner should get a Pool C bid. Heck, even the loser could be in the running, although that is probably highly unlikley. But it just gose to show the strenght of the conference this season.

As for my Colonels, while the year has not gone exactly as some had hoped, last week's win over Widener secured the first winning season for Wilkes since 2006. If the Colonels can win this weekend at King's (no easy task, I can assure you) they will finish the regular season with 7 wins. That may not seem like much, but it is an improvement after back-to-back 4-6 campaigns. Credit to Coach Shep and the guys for sticking tough in that middle stretch and coming out better than many thought before the season. I don't know if the team put in for an ECAC bid, but hopefully that is the case and it would be a very positive step back to title contention if they got it and accepted.

Best of luck to everyone on this weekend's games  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 13, 2009, 09:50:34 AM
G-ManWu:

Wilkes did apply for ECACs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Boxer7806 on November 13, 2009, 11:11:44 AM
As an NEFC poster, I would hope Plymouth St would get a shot at Wilkes or another MAC school. Even though the odds are a long shot of us winning, playing one of these school would only help the NEFC in the future.

I just don't think this will happen because of the distance between many of the schools.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2009, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 13, 2009, 11:11:44 AM
As an NEFC poster, I would hope Plymouth St would get a shot at Wilkes or another MAC school. Even though the odds are a long shot of us winning, playing one of these school would only help the NEFC in the future.

I just don't think this will happen because of the distance between many of the schools.

Boxer: I believe Plymouth State is located in a different ECAC playoff region than the MAC venues.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2009, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2009, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 13, 2009, 11:11:44 AM
As an NEFC poster, I would hope Plymouth St would get a shot at Wilkes or another MAC school. Even though the odds are a long shot of us winning, playing one of these school would only help the NEFC in the future.

I just don't think this will happen because of the distance between many of the schools.

Boxer: I believe Plymouth State is located in a different ECAC playoff region than the MAC venues.

big game for LVC warren....whats your gut feeling on how they do?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 13, 2009, 12:05:53 PM
The ECAC teams are broken into two regions, North and South, and there generally aren't crossover games in the bowls (i.e. North teams only play other North teams).  Teams from New England and Upstate New York are in the North.  Teams from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware and Long Island are in the South.

You can see who has declared eligibility for a bowl game here.

http://www.ecac.org/championships/team/fball/2009-10/Football_-_Declared_Teams.pdf
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2009, 01:09:42 PM
Lets go DVC bring home the keystone cup! Widener won that thing so many times its feels awful good to have DVC winning its share now!

some good articles on DVC/Coach Clements  in the local paper....

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/november/13/item-one-clements-excelling.html

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/november/13/delval-seeking-to-finish-perfect-mac-season.html

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/november/13/delval-now-no-1-in-division-iii-east-region.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2009, 03:37:37 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 13, 2009, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 13, 2009, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 13, 2009, 11:11:44 AM
As an NEFC poster, I would hope Plymouth St would get a shot at Wilkes or another MAC school. Even though the odds are a long shot of us winning, playing one of these school would only help the NEFC in the future.

I just don't think this will happen because of the distance between many of the schools.

Boxer: I believe Plymouth State is located in a different ECAC playoff region than the MAC venues.

big game for LVC warren....whats your gut feeling on how they do?

If the Dutchmen's ground game is working well, it should be an interesting contest ....

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on November 14, 2009, 10:12:36 AM
Live broadcast of the Lebanon Valley at Albright game that may decide an NCAA Pool C berth can be heard at http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml (http://www.wmssfm.com/live.shtml).  Pre-game show starts at 12:40 PM.  Join us for possibly the biggest game of this storied rivalry.  We can't wait!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2009, 10:40:49 AM
If you can't make it today's Keystone Cup showdown in Chester...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Widener

Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx) to listen to the game with kickoff at 1 pm and pregame coverage at 12:40 pm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 14, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Gordon, great coverage of the Aggie/Pride game so far, but one correction - the Aggie Men's B'ball opens Monday night & the Women's first game is Tuesday - thanks for the update!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 14, 2009, 05:47:55 PM
Way to go Aggies! Undefeated in the MAC is a great accomplishment, now it's time to make some real noise in the playoffs!

The refs today were horrific and the unsportsmanlike behavior of Widener was unforgivable and 50 should have never seen the second half for his part in that...

Congrats to Gesswein on breaking the sack record!

Great job coaches on a fine season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 14, 2009, 07:11:16 PM
Well, congrats all around today. Certainly to Delaware Valley and their undefeated conference mark. Also to Albright, who should have an NCAA bid coming, and to Lebanon Valley, who almost surely have a well-earned home ECAC game coming as well in what has been a fantastic season for the team.

After spending the day at Betzler Fields, it was quite disappointing to see the Colonels get trampled- to put it kindly- against a King's team that was far more hungry. The well-eanred MVP was King's senior QB Corey Lavin, who used simple option keepers to dominate the Wilkes defense as throughly as I have seen in the past six seasons of Colonels football. Wilkes did have great offensive rythem early and kept pace with the Monarchs, but King's put in the performance of a lifetime to win back the cup for the first time since 2002.

Since any ECAC plans for the Colonels are pretty much down the drain, I hope the final moments of the season serve as some motivation to the next Wilkes squad. Many key planers return for the Colonels, but Coach Shep and the crew have some work to do this offseason. Again, congrats to all the teams on great performances today, and- for as rough as today was- to the Colonels on a winning season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BAK4LVC on November 14, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
Words cannot truly describe the emptiness I feel right now after the Albright comeback victory over Lebanon Valley, and I just called the game.  I can't even imagine how the players feel.  Up 23-0 almost halfway through the third quarter, and then the wheels fall off for a little while and Albright ties it.  I will say that the difference between this year's team and other teams of the past was apparant, since after squandering a 23 point lead in the past, former teams would have allowed things to continue to spiral out of control.  This year's Dutchmen gutted out a TD drive in response to the Lions' tying the score at 23.  Then when Albright came down and equalized again, LVC was able to drive down into potential field goal range.  Wide right no longer applies to the Buffalo Bills for me.  Overtime #1, we had them stopped after we scored.  It was 4th and 15 at the 30, but Pillar made an amazing catch in the end zone between two defenders who looked like they were in perfect position to knock down the pass.  Then the heartbreak on the failed two point conversion in the second OT.  So close to the NCAAs.  Now a monumental task of regrouping before the first ever ECAC Bowl appearance (I'm assuming) in school history.  Congrats to the winners.  Gutsy comeback without your four year starting QB.  Good luck to all the MAC teams in the postseason.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 14, 2009, 11:16:07 PM
my thinking is you stay in the game and kick the point...to say you didn't think your "D" could stop them...not what I want my coach thinking/saying...congrats to Albright good luck in the NCAA's it would be nice to see the MAC make their mark!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 15, 2009, 03:26:59 PM
You did well, Pat!  We play Susquehanna!!!  If we could be in two places at once, we'd be in Annville & Doylestown, but we'll be watching the Aggies Women's b'ball team, hopefully in their own championship game.  GO AGGIE FOOTBALL!!!  What a weekend!  Will Gordon be calling the football game?  We'll bring the laptop.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 15, 2009, 05:05:48 PM
Kate,

Congrats to you and the Aggie faithful on a #2 seed, but I hope that this game turns out better for the home team than the last time the Crusaders visited Doylestown  ;)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 15, 2009, 06:06:42 PM
Gman:

I can guarantee you that no one on the coaching staff that was there in 2006 has forgotten, nor have the seniors who were freshmen on the fateful day.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on November 15, 2009, 08:31:56 PM
Does anyone know why Kelly wasn't playing?  It looks like he took only one or two snaps.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 15, 2009, 09:34:35 PM
Albright starting quarterback Tanner Kelly got knocked out of the game on a first-drive sack by Will Keylor, quoted from LebVal's game story
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 16, 2009, 09:20:36 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 15, 2009, 06:06:42 PM
Gman:

I can guarantee you that no one on the coaching staff that was there in 2006 has forgotten, nor have the seniors who were freshmen on the fateful day.

It's almost enough to make me wish we'd pulled Mount Union instead...  :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 16, 2009, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: BAK4LVC on November 14, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
Words cannot truly describe the emptiness I feel right now after the Albright comeback victory over Lebanon Valley, and I just called the game.  I can't even imagine how the players feel.  Up 23-0 almost halfway through the third quarter, and then the wheels fall off for a little while and Albright ties it.  I will say that the difference between this year's team and other teams of the past was apparant, since after squandering a 23 point lead in the past, former teams would have allowed things to continue to spiral out of control.  This year's Dutchmen gutted out a TD drive in response to the Lions' tying the score at 23.  Then when Albright came down and equalized again, LVC was able to drive down into potential field goal range.  Wide right no longer applies to the Buffalo Bills for me.  Overtime #1, we had them stopped after we scored.  It was 4th and 15 at the 30, but Pillar made an amazing catch in the end zone between two defenders who looked like they were in perfect position to knock down the pass.  Then the heartbreak on the failed two point conversion in the second OT.  So close to the NCAAs.  Now a monumental task of regrouping before the first ever ECAC Bowl appearance (I'm assuming) in school history.  Congrats to the winners.  Gutsy comeback without your four year starting QB.  Good luck to all the MAC teams in the postseason.   

Several things...

1) Congratulations to the entire DVC community! A fantastic job by the Coaching Staff and Players. This senior class is to commended for buying into coach clements philosophy after coach mangus moved onto new horizons. The senior leadership on this team is just fantastic and they deserve all the accolades they have been getting. Now the fun starts and all those weights you lifted, wind sprints, film study is put to use for your chance at the ultimate prize. Well done by DVC!!

2) Leb Val...wow, what a heart breaking loss. Not even sure what to say as pbr is sure it still stings. Kelly was knocked out of the game and w/ that lead thought for sure this game was over. It was great to see Leb Val do so well this year the entire LVC nation should hold their heads high. You didnt make the playoffs but you are in a ECAC game and this program is obviously headed in the right direction. Keep up the good work and good things will continue to come your way. Would of been great to see Warren and BakLVC excitement heading into the d3 playoffs but a ECAC game is nothing to look down upon. Finish out the year strong!

3) Bring on the susquatch! Its time for redemption.....There is no tomorrow now, lose and you go home.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 16, 2009, 12:39:52 PM
AMEN, PBR - on all counts!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 16, 2009, 04:21:37 PM
PBR et al.

Yes, the double OT loss to Albright stung. *

Yet, a post-season matchup in the ECAC is not the worst thing in the world; it does provide some measure of redemption, as well as the opportunity to go against a team not usually on your schedule.
==========================================

* Were it the Valley playing at Alfred, they would go against a former coach. Dave Murray, the current Saxon head coach, was head man in Annville for one season (0-10, as I recall) when the Dutchmen were still in the doldrums prior to the return of Jim Monos. (And the 0-10 season wasn't truly Murray's fault -- and that's all I'll say on that point.)

{While I'm at it, I'd like to defend Coach Monos' decision to go for two in the second OT v. Albright. He wanted to win the game then and there because, as a coach on the field, he saw that, for whatever reason/s, LVC was not stopping the Lions in the second half and beyond. I believe we ought respect that. It was a risk, but in this case, I think, a risk worth taking.}

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 17, 2009, 12:11:32 AM
While I will get to the good news regarding the Colonels in just a moment, I know Coach Sheptock would be disappointed in me for not mentioning the most important news of the day first. That news is that King's head coach Rich Mannello has stepped down from his position with the Monarchs after 19 seasons as the head coach.

If you are new to MAC football, or don't know much about King's and MAC football in Wilkes-Barre, I should let you know that Coach Mannello took on the massive challenge of building the King's program from scratch after the school brought back varsity football for the 1993 season. After JV teams played in 1991 and 1992, the Monarchs hit the field in 1993 with their trademark rushing game. While some of the early years were not the greatest, the team won back-to-back ECAC Championships in 2000 and 2001, before winning the MAC Championship and the school's first NCAA playoff game in 2002. The following years brought more ECAC berths and three straight wins in the Mayor's Cup from 2000-2002. Even though there were several losing records since then, the vast majority of those losses were ultra-close affairs that could have gone either way- the Albright win on the last play deflected pass in 2005 comes to mind.

In that short time, a remarkable number of MAC all-confernce players and All-Americans have played for Coach Mannello, including Richard Jackson, Steve Wilson (later an assistant at Wilkes) Damon Saxon, and Craig Haywood. Many others have gained recognition or have been helped  by the numerous community-based programs Coach Manello has helped start around the local community. Also, since Coach Girardi retired at Lycoming, Coach Mannello has been the dean of MAC Coaches in terms of years coached in the league. I am sure I speak for all posters and fans around the league in wishing him nothing but the best on his future plans.

As for who will take over the position, I don't know the inside info, but I would assume assistant coach Jim Anderson would be first in the running. In four years of working with two sports in the MAC, and getitng to know dozens of coaches and administrators around the league and elsewhere, I can say there there are few people I have enjoed meeting and seeing more than Coach Anderson. He wears many hats within the Monarch program already, has been with the program from the beginning. and would be the natural coach to take over the position if he should wish.

I know many of you who know that I bleed Wilkes Blue and Gold on here may be suprised that I am talking this way about the coaching staff of our main rival, esp. after they trampled over the Colonels just a few days ago. The simple reply is that this is the kind of sportsmanship that exists in the Mayor's Cup rivalry, as taught by Coach Sheptock, Coach Mannello, and many other coaches and administrators at both schools on River Street, on the newly-refurbished banks of the Susquehanna River.

Here's a link to the official press release from King's:
http://www.kingscollegeathletics.com/news/2009/11/16/FB_11_16_09_mannello_resignation.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 17, 2009, 12:16:14 AM
Now, as for the Colonels, I am pleased to see that the team will be squaring off against Franklin & Marshall in the ECAC South Atlantic Bowl. The Colonels join Lebanon Valley in the ECACs, and while misisng out on the NCAAs is disappointing, the MAC will feature four teams in action on Saturday.

Here's hoping for a good result for Wilkes, both for the seniors playing their last game, and the underclassmen looking to return and improve for next season. Best of luck to all the participating MAC teams on Saturday  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 17, 2009, 08:40:11 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 16, 2009, 04:21:37 PM
PBR et al.

Yes, the double OT loss to Albright stung. *

Yet, a post-season matchup in the ECAC is not the worst thing in the world; it does provide some measure of redemption, as well as the opportunity to go against a team not usually on your schedule.
==========================================

* Were it the Valley playing at Alfred, they would go against a former coach. Dave Murray, the current Saxon head coach, was head man in Annville for one season (0-10, as I recall) when the Dutchmen were still in the doldrums prior to the return of Jim Monos. (And the 0-10 season wasn't truly Murray's fault -- and that's all I'll say on that point.)

{While I'm at it, I'd like to defend Coach Monos' decision to go for two in the second OT v. Albright. He wanted to win the game then and there because, as a coach on the field, he saw that, for whatever reason/s, LVC was not stopping the Lions in the second half and beyond. I believe we ought respect that. It was a risk, but in this case, I think, a risk worth taking.}

Pep is well aware of what "might have been" had the Dutchmen pulled off the 2-point play. And, given an LVC win, it might have been LVC meeting Coach Murray's Saxons.

Without digging too deeply into Pep's memory bank, Pep believes LVC had been in an 0-10 skid the year prior to Murray's arrival. And, while Pep does not pretend to know much about LVC or Murray's year there, Murray aptly fit the criteria Alfred was seeking in a head coach to replace AD Jim Moretti, who was serving in both capacities for a year or two.

Quite frankly, Murray has rebuilt the Alfred program and while we often look at the wins and losses as the measure of a coach, at Alfred it goes way beyond that. Murray molds fine young men.

The father of an AU freshman football player said to me at a recent game, "I dropped off my boy at Alfred for a weekend visit to the campus; when I picked him up, he had become a young man."

Pep once traveled with the team early in Murray's coaching career at AU. Murray holds a high behavioral standard for his players...tie and jacket for dinner, respect for everyone, expressions of gratitude extended to those serving them.

Pep often says that Murray and his lovely wife Karin have three daughters....and 150 sons! He has had his young men knocking on the NCAA door for five straight years and finally, now, in 2009, the door has been opened.

On Saxon Warriors!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 17, 2009, 11:37:47 AM
Pep:

I'm well aware of Coach Murray's success since he shook the dust of Annville off his shoes back when.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 17, 2009, 03:21:15 PM
Grove, Hello!  Sorry we have to part ways on our respective teams (football that is); we still are jointly huge Phillie fans, so if we ever actually meet, there's our common ground  :); Warren, Great luck to LVC this weekend with Salisbury - your bold letter post was spoken like a TRUE fan of D3 which of course applies to us all!  GManWu, i hope that Wilkes batters F & M.  We'll be following all the games this weekend from our women's tourney in Annville.  GO MAC!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 17, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
CONGRATULATIONS to Coach Clements; Coach of the Year in the MAC, Kyle Gesswein; Defensive Player of the Year, and other 12 Aggies selected as MAC All Conference players!!!! All well deserved awards and the fruits of their successes!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 17, 2009, 09:19:37 PM
Yes, including MAC Rookie of the Year Jonathan Lavelle who was an important anchor of the Aggies' defensive line as a freshman.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 17, 2009, 10:40:43 PM
Gordon & maAggie,

Indeed, the Aggies dominated the all-conference units. Well-earned by all, but don't forget that Wilkes linebacker Andrew Yacina shared the ROY award with Lavelle  ;)

Congrats also to the other Colonels who earned spots on the all-conference team, including my good friend and HS basketball teammate Sean Madden, as well as Nick Genuardi, who helped me out with filming a great deal in his first two years...since kickers/punters have plenty of idle time in practice  ;)

Kate,

I also hope the Colonels win, but it won't be an easy game. Enoy your time at LVC- one of the best gyms in the area and be sure to stop at Funk's- my favorite restaurant around any MAC stadium.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 11:27:25 AM
Anyone know the extent of Tanner Kelly's injury on Saturday? Will he play this Saturday in Alfred?

Pep's gotta know so the band can arrange its repertoire....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 18, 2009, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 11:27:25 AM
Anyone know the extent of Tanner Kelly's injury on Saturday? Will he play this Saturday in Alfred?

Pep's gotta know so the band can arrange its repertoire....


Pep ...pbr has been asking around on several fronts and no info...my guess no matter what the coaches will be playing it close to the vest. Albrights backup qb came in and lit it up in the 2nd half last week so either way AU should expect to see the ball in the air saturday...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 18, 2009, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 11:27:25 AM
Anyone know the extent of Tanner Kelly's injury on Saturday? Will he play this Saturday in Alfred?

Pep's gotta know so the band can arrange its repertoire....


Pep ...pbr has been asking around on several fronts and no info...my guess no matter what the coaches will be playing it close to the vest. Albrights backup qb came in and lit it up in the 2nd half last week so either way AU should expect to see the ball in the air saturday...

Alex Yunevich used to say that when you put the ball in the air, one of three things can happen... and two of them are bad. Pep probably shouldn't be showing his cards, but it seems when the opponent puts the ball in the air at Merrill Field, good things happen for Alfred. For instance:

ST. LAWRENCE....30-for-58 passing with 4 ints, 2 TDs in a 38-16 loss
SPRINGFIELD...4-for-9 passing with 1 int, 1 TD in a 49-28 loss
HARTWICK...17-for-38 passing with 2 ints, 2 TDs in a 42-17 loss
ROCHESTER...10-for-25 passing with 4 ints and a Pick 6, 0 TDs in a 51-14 loss
UTICA...25-for-46 passing with 2 ints and a Pick 6, 2 TDs in a 56-30 loss

Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 was successful 48.86% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 was incomplete 51.14% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in an interception 7.4% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in an AU TD 1.13% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in 7 TDs in 176 passes, just about 4.0% of the time.

Therefore, for every 7 TDs an opponent has scored via the pass on Merrill Field, Alfred has scored 2 TDs.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 05:41:03 PM
Albright fans who do not plan to make the 260+ mile trip to Alfred for Saturday's game will be happy to know that the game will be webcast with the following link:

http://www.pennatlantic.com/main.php?module=event-detail&eventId=14450

But Pep would much rather you make the trip to fill the stands. The weather has been unseasonably mild in Western New York of late. The forecast for Saturday is mostly cloudy with a high of 49 degrees--perfect football weather. And, if Albright has a pep band--bring it!

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on November 18, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
Last ATR of the season is up! (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/east/2009/Finally%2C+acceptance)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 18, 2009, 07:56:05 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 18, 2009, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 11:27:25 AM
Anyone know the extent of Tanner Kelly's injury on Saturday? Will he play this Saturday in Alfred?

Pep's gotta know so the band can arrange its repertoire....


Pep ...pbr has been asking around on several fronts and no info...my guess no matter what the coaches will be playing it close to the vest. Albrights backup qb came in and lit it up in the 2nd half last week so either way AU should expect to see the ball in the air saturday...

Alex Yunevich used to say that when you put the ball in the air, one of three things can happen... and two of them are bad. Pep probably shouldn't be showing his cards, but it seems when the opponent puts the ball in the air at Merrill Field, good things happen for Alfred. For instance:

ST. LAWRENCE....30-for-58 passing with 4 ints, 2 TDs in a 38-16 loss
SPRINGFIELD...4-for-9 passing with 1 int, 1 TD in a 49-28 loss
HARTWICK...17-for-38 passing with 2 ints, 2 TDs in a 42-17 loss
ROCHESTER...10-for-25 passing with 4 ints and a Pick 6, 0 TDs in a 51-14 loss
UTICA...25-for-46 passing with 2 ints and a Pick 6, 2 TDs in a 56-30 loss

Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 was successful 48.86% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 was incomplete 51.14% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in an interception 7.4% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in an AU TD 1.13% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in 7 TDs in 176 passes, just about 4.0% of the time.

Therefore, for every 7 TDs an opponent has scored via the pass on Merrill Field, Alfred has scored 2 TDs.



This is true what your write pep but keep in mind in kelly your talking about 1 of the top 3 qbs in the east. He is a big boy w/ a big arm and can sling it w/ accuracy. This game will be very interesting especially if the weather holds out and kelly is healthy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 18, 2009, 07:56:05 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 18, 2009, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 11:27:25 AM
Anyone know the extent of Tanner Kelly's injury on Saturday? Will he play this Saturday in Alfred?

Pep's gotta know so the band can arrange its repertoire....


Pep ...pbr has been asking around on several fronts and no info...my guess no matter what the coaches will be playing it close to the vest. Albrights backup qb came in and lit it up in the 2nd half last week so either way AU should expect to see the ball in the air saturday...

Alex Yunevich used to say that when you put the ball in the air, one of three things can happen... and two of them are bad. Pep probably shouldn't be showing his cards, but it seems when the opponent puts the ball in the air at Merrill Field, good things happen for Alfred. For instance:

ST. LAWRENCE....30-for-58 passing with 4 ints, 2 TDs in a 38-16 loss
SPRINGFIELD...4-for-9 passing with 1 int, 1 TD in a 49-28 loss
HARTWICK...17-for-38 passing with 2 ints, 2 TDs in a 42-17 loss
ROCHESTER...10-for-25 passing with 4 ints and a Pick 6, 0 TDs in a 51-14 loss
UTICA...25-for-46 passing with 2 ints and a Pick 6, 2 TDs in a 56-30 loss

Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 was successful 48.86% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 was incomplete 51.14% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in an interception 7.4% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in an AU TD 1.13% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in 7 TDs in 176 passes, just about 4.0% of the time.

Therefore, for every 7 TDs an opponent has scored via the pass on Merrill Field, Alfred has scored 2 TDs.



This is true what your write pep but keep in mind in kelly your talking about 1 of the top 3 qbs in the east. He is a big boy w/ a big arm and can sling it w/ accuracy. This game will be very interesting especially if the weather holds out and kelly is healthy.

SO....Kelly WILL be playing, eh?  8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 18, 2009, 11:41:53 PM
dewcrew88,

No predictions for the Wilkes-F&M ECAC contest? I know the Centennial may be part of another coverage area, but still?

Just one small blip on an otherwise-outstanding effort n your part all year. Keep up the great work- it is a pleasure reaidng your stuff each week!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on November 19, 2009, 12:44:03 AM
I missed that one? Crap, I thought there was six games! My bad g man, thanks for reading!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 19, 2009, 10:44:20 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 18, 2009, 07:56:05 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 18, 2009, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 18, 2009, 11:27:25 AM
Anyone know the extent of Tanner Kelly's injury on Saturday? Will he play this Saturday in Alfred?

Pep's gotta know so the band can arrange its repertoire....

Pep ...pbr has been asking around on several fronts and no info...my guess no matter what the coaches will be playing it close to the vest. Albrights backup qb came in and lit it up in the 2nd half last week so either way AU should expect to see the ball in the air saturday...

Alex Yunevich used to say that when you put the ball in the air, one of three things can happen... and two of them are bad. Pep probably shouldn't be showing his cards, but it seems when the opponent puts the ball in the air at Merrill Field, good things happen for Alfred. For instance:

ST. LAWRENCE....30-for-58 passing with 4 ints, 2 TDs in a 38-16 loss
SPRINGFIELD...4-for-9 passing with 1 int, 1 TD in a 49-28 loss
HARTWICK...17-for-38 passing with 2 ints, 2 TDs in a 42-17 loss
ROCHESTER...10-for-25 passing with 4 ints and a Pick 6, 0 TDs in a 51-14 loss
UTICA...25-for-46 passing with 2 ints and a Pick 6, 2 TDs in a 56-30 loss

Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 was successful 48.86% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 was incomplete 51.14% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in an interception 7.4% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in an AU TD 1.13% of the time.
Passing on Merrill Field for 2009 resulted in 7 TDs in 176 passes, just about 4.0% of the time.

Therefore, for every 7 TDs an opponent has scored via the pass on Merrill Field, Alfred has scored 2 TDs.

This is true what your write pep but keep in mind in kelly your talking about 1 of the top 3 qbs in the east. He is a big boy w/ a big arm and can sling it w/ accuracy. This game will be very interesting especially if the weather holds out and kelly is healthy.

And no disrespect to the 5 teams we've played at home this year, but Albright seems to have a much better air attack than any of them.  Here's to hoping the secondary has learned their lessons from the FDU, Fisher and Ithaca games and that Manzer has at least one more pick six in him!

On Saxon Warriors!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 19, 2009, 11:18:33 AM
Seems that the AU Pep Band has members with connections with most of AU's prospective opponents in the NCAAs.

Among the eight teams in the East Region in order by seeding the random way they were matched up:

--AU sousaphone player (from Ohio) was recruited from Larry Kehres' backyard and was surgically removed from her twin who is a member of the Mt. Union Marching Band
--AU percussion player is from Lansdale, PA near Delaware Valley College
--AUKaZ00 after graduating from AU in '00, lived in New Jersey in the Montclair State neighborhood
--AU played Maine Maritime in an ECAC event in 2005 (when the Saxons, based on the last public regional rankings, should have been selected for NCAAs) and won 56-20
--AU flute player is from Reading, PA and her parents are Albright alums
--AU scrimmaged Susquehanna in Selinsgrove August 29, 2009. Pep drove over 3 hours in a steady rain, which stopped for 3 hours of scrimmaging, then resumed on the 3 hour ride home. AU and SU made some history in 1963-64.
--AU played W&J during its brief stint in the PAC and had little to no success against the Presidents. Probably just as well W&J is playing at the Mount.

Stay tuned....
On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 19, 2009, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on November 19, 2009, 11:18:33 AM
Seems that the AU Pep Band has members with connections with most of AU's prospective opponents in the NCAAs.

Among the eight teams in the East Region:

--AU sousaphone player (from Ohio) was recruited from Larry Kehres' backyard and was surgically removed from her twin who is a member of the Mt. Union Marching Band
--AU percussion player is from Lansdale, PA near Delaware Valley College
--AUKaZ00 after graduating from AU in '00, lived in New Jersey in the Montclair State neighborhood
--AU played Maine Maritime in an ECAC event in 2005 (when the Saxons, based on the last public regional rankings, should have been selected for NCAAs) and won 56-20
--AU flute player is from Reading, PA and her parents are Albright alums
--AU scrimmaged Susquehanna in Selinsgrove August 29, 2009. Pep drove over 3 hours in a steady rain, which stopped for 3 hours of scrimmaging, then resumed on the 3 hour ride home. AU and SU made some history in 1963-64.
--AU played W&J during its brief stint in the PAC and had little to no success against the Presidents. Probably just as well W&J is playing at the Mount.

Stay tuned....
On Saxon Warriors!


did the AU percussion playah go to north penn high school or lansdale catholic?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 20, 2009, 11:54:01 PM
The postseason begins for four MAC teams tomorrow.  Delaware Valley welcomes former conference mates Susquehanna to Doylestown.  If you can't make it there...

Delaware Valley
vs.

Susquehanna

Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx) to listen if that suits your fancy.  Pregame begins at 11:40 am with kickoff at 12 pm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 21, 2009, 08:24:51 AM
The lack of Albright support in here is deafening, and I love it.

You just gotta belive, and sometimes you gotta pray.

GO BRIGHT!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 21, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: LANES on November 21, 2009, 08:24:51 AM
The lack of Albright support in here is deafening, and I love it.

You just gotta belive, and sometimes you gotta pray.

GO BRIGHT!

Believing and praying...those are good things.
GO FRED!

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 21, 2009, 09:06:11 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 19, 2009, 11:48:31 AM
did the AU percussion playah go to north penn high school or lansdale catholic?

Idaho Alaska.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 21, 2009, 09:09:13 AM
AU,

GOING TO THE GAME?  Looks like Pennatlantic will be streaming Video, but says no audio, maybe can stream that from elsewhere...I see where if Albright AND Susquehanna can upset, next round for Bright is at home is Shirk stadium.

I see Albright has played AU before, last time in 1955 and the first time in 1929.

Love the History of it all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 21, 2009, 07:38:28 PM
WOW!!!! with an extra helping of WOW!!!!!!!  Quite an impressive win for the Aggies today. Maybe a littlr bit of revenge maybe sending a message to the MAC deserters, maybe just a plain old fashioned beat down. Either way it was impressive!

Sets up a nice rematch with Albright. Aggies will have to guard against being overconfident as I expect Albright to come out with a nothing to lose attitude and a team playing like that can be extremely dangerous.

Congratulations to both Albright and Leb Val., they along with the Aggies did the MAC proud, a little unforunate that both don't have a chance to move on next week.

Go Aggies, one more win and you get to go Big Bear hunting!

Just a great day in Doylestown
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 21, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
Thanks Aggies for the amazing display of great football that we were treated to today! Matt Cook you were awesome and congrats to you on setting a new TD record, Mike Isgro--what more can be said, you have been so good over the years that it would seem you couldn't surprise us, but you make it look so easy at times that it's just silly! Goose, 12 tackles??? You were out of your mind today...Squittiere and Whiteside both were awesome and the guys who subbed in in the 2nd half did yourselves proud with your performances as well...over 640 yards of offense and a school record setting 66 points....sooooo much fun to watch!

In case Susquehanna forgot what a MAC beat-down felt like, they were quickly reminded of why the ran from the conference...

Once again the MAC did themselves proud with wins by Albright and Leb Val today, congrats to all...Nice way to end an excellent season for LVC....

Aggies need to find a new level of intensity to bring next week when Albright comes back to Doylestown, bring it early and often guys!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 21, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
Good showing today by the MAC conference.  You guys proved why you were the best conference this year in the East today.

Good luck to the winner of the DVC/Albright game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 22, 2009, 09:13:17 AM
delval fans, nice win yesterday.  i almost feel like delval is my second team since I have seen them play 5 times the past 2 years.  good luck this week against albright, a game I saw this year, which I expect you to win and then on to alliance.  I will be very interested in how you do there.  the way things are lined up, we may see each other again with a shot for the stagg bowl, that would make for a fun day in dover. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 22, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 21, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
In case Susquehanna forgot what a MAC beat-down felt like ....

I wonder if you remember the days not too long ago when Susquehanna inflicted a "MAC beat-down" on a good many teams, including the Aggies.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 22, 2009, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 22, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 21, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
In case Susquehanna forgot what a MAC beat-down felt like ....

I wonder if you remember the days not too long ago when Susquehanna inflicted a "MAC beat-down" on a good many teams, including the Aggies.  ;)

pbr remembers them warren all too well....that is why we are enjoying the run. it started w/ coach mangus and now coach clements and staff are looking to push further into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 22, 2009, 07:39:58 PM
Sorry to upset you Warren....... but everybody put a "beat down" on the Aggies back then! Ancient history as far as the foorball world goes!

Give the Del Val squad the props they deserve! In today's world it's "what have you done for me lately?" and lately the Aggies have done quite well.

If those two teams that played Saturday played 10 times this year it would be the same story each game. Susquehanna was overmatched, outplayed, out hustled, outhit and out coached and in the end just flat "quit"

The Aggies have "earned" every award they have garnered past and present.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 22, 2009, 08:03:43 PM
KingSting999:

No "upset" here ....

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 23, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 22, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 21, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
In case Susquehanna forgot what a MAC beat-down felt like ....

I wonder if you remember the days not too long ago when Susquehanna inflicted a "MAC beat-down" on a good many teams, including the Aggies.  ;)

I have fond memories of a 77-7 beatdown of those Aggies in '94...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 23, 2009, 11:59:29 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on November 23, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 22, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 21, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
In case Susquehanna forgot what a MAC beat-down felt like ....

I wonder if you remember the days not too long ago when Susquehanna inflicted a "MAC beat-down" on a good many teams, including the Aggies.  ;)

I have fond memories of a 77-7 beatdown of those Aggies in '94...

u better hold onto those memories from 15 years ago as this loss is what people are going to remember for a long long time....not a dvc team that won zero games that year giving up that many points. this year was 2 conference champions going head to head and having that bad a performance speaks volumes....good luck next year in your new league.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2009, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 23, 2009, 11:59:29 AM
u better hold onto those memories from 15 years ago as this loss is what people are going to remember for a long long time....not a dvc team that won zero games that year giving up that many points. this year was 2 conference champions going head to head and having that bad a performance speaks volumes....good luck next year in your new league.

pbr,

isn't there some bad blood between SUS and Delaware Valley from a newspaper article when SUS was making the switch to the Liberty League??

I heard it mentioned academics or something and may have played a role in this game --- a Harbaugh vs. Pete Carroll situation.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 23, 2009, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2009, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 23, 2009, 11:59:29 AM
u better hold onto those memories from 15 years ago as this loss is what people are going to remember for a long long time....not a dvc team that won zero games that year giving up that many points. this year was 2 conference champions going head to head and having that bad a performance speaks volumes....good luck next year in your new league.

pbr,

isn't there some bad blood between SUS and Delaware Valley from a newspaper article when SUS was making the switch to the Liberty League??

I heard it mentioned academics or something and may have played a role in this game --- a Harbaugh vs. Pete Carroll situation.

not sure it was bad blood per se....eventhough susquehanna would not go on record they let it be known that they were leaving the league because in their minds they thought they were above many of the teams academically in the mac. they wouldnt be able to compete against many of the teams because they werent able to recruit like athletes. when in most peoples minds that pbr talked to from many of the mac schools from admin/teachers/students/alumni it was susquehanna  wouldnt make the commitment to compete. they had their teeth kicked in for many years and knew they really werent going to be able to compete in a very tough conference. at the time dvc was rising from the ashes, lyco and widener were very tough as well. kings and wilkes also were having solid teams so when you look at your chances to win they were juniata and leb val..... plus a whatever weak sister  ooc games they could schedule to prop up their record. so they would have to make a commitment for a very good coach who could recruit in their view top academic/athletes or look to move to a different conference. they obviously chose the latter....but that necessarily wasnt the pay back for dvc it was from the 2006 season when a bad susquehanna team came to dvc and knocked them out of the playoffs in the qb mike isgro's freshmen year.

Note: these views do not reflect d3football.com or d3boards.com or susquehanna university....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 23, 2009, 02:49:00 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 23, 2009, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2009, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 23, 2009, 11:59:29 AM
u better hold onto those memories from 15 years ago as this loss is what people are going to remember for a long long time....not a dvc team that won zero games that year giving up that many points. this year was 2 conference champions going head to head and having that bad a performance speaks volumes....good luck next year in your new league.

pbr,

isn't there some bad blood between SUS and Delaware Valley from a newspaper article when SUS was making the switch to the Liberty League??

I heard it mentioned academics or something and may have played a role in this game --- a Harbaugh vs. Pete Carroll situation.

not sure it was bad blood per se....eventhough susquehanna would not go on record they let it be known that they were leaving the league because in their minds they thought they were above many of the teams academically in the mac. they wouldnt be able to compete against many of the teams because they werent able to recruit like athletes. when in most peoples minds that pbr talked to from many of the mac schools from admin/teachers/students/alumni it was susquehanna  wouldnt make the commitment to compete. they had their teeth kicked in for many years and knew they really werent going to be able to compete in a very tough conference. at the time dvc was rising from the ashes, lyco and widener were very tough as well. kings and wilkes also were having solid teams so when you look at your chances to win they were juniata and leb val..... plus a whatever weak sister  ooc games they could schedule to prop up their record. so they would have to make a commitment for a very good coach who could recruit in their view top academic/athletes or look to move to a different conference. they obviously chose the latter....but that necessarily wasnt the pay back for dvc it was from the 2006 season when a bad susquehanna team came to dvc and knocked them out of the playoffs in the qb mike isgro's freshmen year.

Note: these views do not reflect d3football.com or d3boards.com or susquehanna university....

OK, I keep hearing that refrain and I don't get it... I understand it sucks to get taken out by a lesser team when you're nationally ranked and have that keep you out of the playoffs, but the tone is as if Susquehanna did some horrible injustice to Del Val. Should the Crusaders have just forfeited the game so you could keep your ranking and go to the playoffs? Isn't that why they play games? To win? No matter how many games a team has won they should never give up and roll over because another team is "better"... ask a bunch of NFL teams this season (i.e. the Bengals and Steelers yesterday...)

I can understand DVC holding a grudge for us leaving the MAC if they think we think we're better or something... but holding a grudge for not rolling over and playing dead back in '06? sorry, don't buy it.

BTW, Del Val was clearly the better team... I don't begrudge them the win. I do think the touchdown before halftime was tacky, though. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 23, 2009, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on November 23, 2009, 02:49:00 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 23, 2009, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2009, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 23, 2009, 11:59:29 AM
u better hold onto those memories from 15 years ago as this loss is what people are going to remember for a long long time....not a dvc team that won zero games that year giving up that many points. this year was 2 conference champions going head to head and having that bad a performance speaks volumes....good luck next year in your new league.

pbr,

isn't there some bad blood between SUS and Delaware Valley from a newspaper article when SUS was making the switch to the Liberty League??

I heard it mentioned academics or something and may have played a role in this game --- a Harbaugh vs. Pete Carroll situation.

not sure it was bad blood per se....eventhough susquehanna would not go on record they let it be known that they were leaving the league because in their minds they thought they were above many of the teams academically in the mac. they wouldnt be able to compete against many of the teams because they werent able to recruit like athletes. when in most peoples minds that pbr talked to from many of the mac schools from admin/teachers/students/alumni it was susquehanna  wouldnt make the commitment to compete. they had their teeth kicked in for many years and knew they really werent going to be able to compete in a very tough conference. at the time dvc was rising from the ashes, lyco and widener were very tough as well. kings and wilkes also were having solid teams so when you look at your chances to win they were juniata and leb val..... plus a whatever weak sister  ooc games they could schedule to prop up their record. so they would have to make a commitment for a very good coach who could recruit in their view top academic/athletes or look to move to a different conference. they obviously chose the latter....but that necessarily wasnt the pay back for dvc it was from the 2006 season when a bad susquehanna team came to dvc and knocked them out of the playoffs in the qb mike isgro's freshmen year.

Note: these views do not reflect d3football.com or d3boards.com or susquehanna university....

OK, I keep hearing that refrain and I don't get it... I understand it sucks to get taken out by a lesser team when you're nationally ranked and have that keep you out of the playoffs, but the tone is as if Susquehanna did some horrible injustice to Del Val. Should the Crusaders have just forfeited the game so you could keep your ranking and go to the playoffs? Isn't that why they play games? To win? No matter how many games a team has won they should never give up and roll over because another team is "better"... ask a bunch of NFL teams this season (i.e. the Bengals and Steelers yesterday...)

I can understand DVC holding a grudge for us leaving the MAC if they think we think we're better or something... but holding a grudge for not rolling over and playing dead back in '06? sorry, don't buy it.

BTW, Del Val was clearly the better team... I don't begrudge them the win. I do think the touchdown before halftime was tacky, though. *shrugs*

nah grove susquatch did exactly what they were supposed to do in 2006. they came in and won period. my point is that this years dvc seniors hadnt forgotten about that game as it was what many thought the last dvc/susque game. dvc wouldnt have a chance to make up for falling short the following year since susque was moving on to another conference,  thats all. susque did nothing wrong in fact obviously did things right they won the game. but for this years dvc seniors they never forgot that game as they were heavy favorites and thought they would never get another shot at susque to show them how good they could play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on November 23, 2009, 04:24:46 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 23, 2009, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on November 23, 2009, 02:49:00 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 23, 2009, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2009, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on November 23, 2009, 11:59:29 AM
u better hold onto those memories from 15 years ago as this loss is what people are going to remember for a long long time....not a dvc team that won zero games that year giving up that many points. this year was 2 conference champions going head to head and having that bad a performance speaks volumes....good luck next year in your new league.

pbr,

isn't there some bad blood between SUS and Delaware Valley from a newspaper article when SUS was making the switch to the Liberty League??

I heard it mentioned academics or something and may have played a role in this game --- a Harbaugh vs. Pete Carroll situation.

not sure it was bad blood per se....eventhough susquehanna would not go on record they let it be known that they were leaving the league because in their minds they thought they were above many of the teams academically in the mac. they wouldnt be able to compete against many of the teams because they werent able to recruit like athletes. when in most peoples minds that pbr talked to from many of the mac schools from admin/teachers/students/alumni it was susquehanna  wouldnt make the commitment to compete. they had their teeth kicked in for many years and knew they really werent going to be able to compete in a very tough conference. at the time dvc was rising from the ashes, lyco and widener were very tough as well. kings and wilkes also were having solid teams so when you look at your chances to win they were juniata and leb val..... plus a whatever weak sister  ooc games they could schedule to prop up their record. so they would have to make a commitment for a very good coach who could recruit in their view top academic/athletes or look to move to a different conference. they obviously chose the latter....but that necessarily wasnt the pay back for dvc it was from the 2006 season when a bad susquehanna team came to dvc and knocked them out of the playoffs in the qb mike isgro's freshmen year.

Note: these views do not reflect d3football.com or d3boards.com or susquehanna university....

OK, I keep hearing that refrain and I don't get it... I understand it sucks to get taken out by a lesser team when you're nationally ranked and have that keep you out of the playoffs, but the tone is as if Susquehanna did some horrible injustice to Del Val. Should the Crusaders have just forfeited the game so you could keep your ranking and go to the playoffs? Isn't that why they play games? To win? No matter how many games a team has won they should never give up and roll over because another team is "better"... ask a bunch of NFL teams this season (i.e. the Bengals and Steelers yesterday...)

I can understand DVC holding a grudge for us leaving the MAC if they think we think we're better or something... but holding a grudge for not rolling over and playing dead back in '06? sorry, don't buy it.

BTW, Del Val was clearly the better team... I don't begrudge them the win. I do think the touchdown before halftime was tacky, though. *shrugs*

nah grove susquatch did exactly what they were supposed to do in 2006. they came in and won period. my point is that this years dvc seniors hadnt forgotten about that game as it was what many thought the last dvc/susque game. dvc wouldnt have a chance to make up for falling short the following year since susque was moving on to another conference,  thats all. susque did nothing wrong in fact obviously did things right they won the game. but for this years dvc seniors they never forgot that game as they were heavy favorites and thought they would never get another shot at susque to show them how good they could play.

OK, makes more sense when you put it that way. I forgot that was our last year in the MAC. Geez, time has flown.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: KingSting999 on November 23, 2009, 05:44:42 PM
I can understand DVC holding a grudge for us leaving the MAC if they think we think we're better or something... but holding a grudge for not rolling over and playing dead back in '06? sorry, don't buy it.

BTW, Del Val was clearly the better team... I don't begrudge them the win. I do think the touchdown before halftime was tacky, though. *shrugs*

"TheGrove"

A couple of points : Your team made up for it this past Saturday, they rolled over and played dead the whole second half!

Tacky??? did you say tacky??? I guess the Aggies were supposed to rollover at that point? Your team had the opportunity to run out the clock and go into half licking their wounds. In fact, I thought they were. with just over a minute to play and starting in their own territory they ran the ball for a short gain and then called time out.
Soon after, another interceptrion sets Del Val up near midfield. I tuned to my wife and said now we can take a couple of shots at the endzone...... It only took One!!!









Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 23, 2009, 09:39:54 PM
Since when is it "tacky" to play the game to win? Tacky would be leaving your starters in when you're up comfortably in the 3rd quarter, or throwing TD passes, but putting up points early and going for the juggler, putting a team away, sticking a knife in them, aren't these all well-worn footballisms that great teams strive to accomplish? What do you let a team hang around and let them stay in the game? Who would do that? Who wouldn't take their shots at the end zone with 31 seconds left? You're throwing the ball and taking a shot, the QB makes a great throw the receiver makes a spectacular catch and SU was nowhere to be found defensively....

And for the record even though the score showed SU leading in the early part of the 1st half, the Aggies were owning the game in every other way and as was said by others, they knew it was just a matter of time before the points were put on the board.

As "sting" said if you didn't want a "tacky" td scored before the half than run the clock out....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maxpower on November 23, 2009, 11:02:39 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 23, 2009, 09:39:54 PM
going for the juggler,


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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 23, 2009, 11:24:30 PM
Quote from: maxpower on November 23, 2009, 11:02:39 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 23, 2009, 09:39:54 PM
going for the juggler,


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+K .. well played. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 24, 2009, 09:09:29 PM
spelling was wrong (jugular) point still the same...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 27, 2009, 06:17:57 PM
Maybe you had too much turkey and can't move a muscle.  Maybe you moved several muscles and went a long distance to get to Thanksgiving.  Whatever the reason, if you can't get to Doylestown for the MAC's NCAA Playoff Extravaganza...

Albright
vs.
Delaware Valley

Click here (http://athletics.delval.edu/sports/2008/9/5/FB_09football%20broadcast.aspx?id=41) to listen.  The broadcast begins with pregame coverage at 11:40 a.m. and then kickoff at 12 noon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 28, 2009, 03:21:57 PM
From September until today, we're proud to say we're Aggie fans!  It's been fun huddled in my basement at the computer listening to Gordon Mann call the games.  Congratulations on a great season to Del Val & everyone associated with the football season.  At least we have another mighty MAC team going out to Ohio - good luck to the Albright Lions - show em what the MAC has to offer!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 28, 2009, 06:05:48 PM
Wow - to tell you the truth I did not see that one coming at all.

66 points one week and then only 3 the next?  Sounds like the Jekyll-Hyde routine I've come to expect from Donovan McNabb and the Eagles.

Congratulations to Albright and very best wishes against the Mt. Union crew - they are usually stacked with talent - heck - even their towel guys are over 6'!

Outcomes like this are why we watch and why they play - so the wins and losses are decided between the lines.

Go Navy - Beat Army!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2009, 06:54:08 PM
Today the Aggies were on the other end of a stick they've used to whack other teams all year.  They got down by a couple scores, had to abandon the running game and couldn't stop Albright on third down.  As for the Lions, it was a tremendous showing by Kelly and Romig and you have to tip your cap to the Lions' coaching staff which handled the windy situation very well and made great adjustments since three weeks ago.

It was a disappointing end to a great run for the Aggies class of 2010.  The seniors on this team - Isgro, Whiteside, Peterman, Fox, Porter, Squitierre, Seifert, etc - kept up the success that Mangus and Company started.  Once the pain of today's loss starts to abate, I hope you can appreciate the special memories you created this year.  I really enjoyed covering you guys for four years and wish you the best wherever life takes you next.

And thanks to all who listened to Aggies football this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on November 28, 2009, 06:58:54 PM
Congratulations Albright Lions for the first 11 win season in the schools history.


I had the opportunity to go and I did see it unfold.  The Lions seemed to play with everything they should have.  There seemed to be an tremendous amount of emotion on one side of the field.  The other side was pretty flat.  Tough to imagine given the magnitude of the Game.

It is amazing how the game can go one way based on momentum and emotion, but that was a good example after the lopsided win a few weeks back. Tough winds added some maybe to dropped balls on DelVals side. Albright was in a perfect position to capitalize given the last game.

No doubt Del Val was dangerous but seemed bottled up and Albrights defense bent at times but played real team ball on that side.  Alot of swarming to the ball and never a solo tackle.  Albrights defense did a great job and kept the Lions in the game in the first half, and del val turnovers in the second half IMHO.

Good game by both teams and I enjoyed the game tremendously.  Both have brought alot of fun to this league this year.

Sorry I cant say the same for the Burger I had at .99.


On another note, I look forward to yet another week of being the underdog.  No headlines, no pressure, no hope.  Leave no doubt and RYFP.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 1990 Champs on November 28, 2009, 10:20:18 PM
Made it back to Doylestown for the rematch and was not disappointed!  This game matched my ill-fated week 10 breakdown wher I thought that Albright's defense could stop the run and that Kelly would take over the offense.  I am glad the Lions had the rematch.

Having seen the entire game, including pregame warm-ups, I have to disagree with LANES regarding Delaware Valley being flat to start.  There were some pre-game fireworks, and after being pinned at their own 6 to start the game, they got some big first downs and seemed to pick up right where they left off.  The difference was not that Delaware Valley started off flat, it's that Albright stood toe to toe with the Aggies for the entire first half, and got the better part of the physical play.   
Albright matched Delaware Valley's early intensity, and took it to a whole new level at the start of the second half.  The knock on Albright heading into the first meeting was that the Lions  hadn't played anyone yet.  Heading into this game DVC hadn't had anyone go the full 60 minutes with them since their loss to Wesley.  When Albright took the lead in the third, and added to it after a huge hit on Matt Cook led to a turnover, DVC didn't seem to be able to answer.  Albright had been bullied the last couple of years by a great DVC team, but did what you have to do to beat the bully - take his best shot then stand up and bloody his nose.
Albright's prize is to go to Alliance, OH to take on the biggest bully in D3.  I am in 100% agreement with LANES that there is no pressure on the Lions, and am looking forward to seeing if they can stand toe to toe with MUC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2009, 11:59:28 PM
Champs:

Isgro fumbled, not Cook.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 1990 Champs on November 29, 2009, 12:36:45 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 28, 2009, 11:59:28 PM
Champs:

Isgro fumbled, not Cook.

Oops.  Thanks, Gordon, I was at the concession stand, and it happened on the far side, so I didn'thave the best view and couldn't hear the stadium announcer very well.  My apologies to Mr. Cook.  Either way, I think that play was one of the turning points.

I did not intend to denigrate DVC by calling them "the bully" of the conference.  It was out of respect for thier position at the top of the MAC.  They certainly earned their title this year, and were probably the best team in the conference last year. I have been very impressed with them over the past two years.  It was a great year for DVC, and the MAC (so far).  I haven't been to Alliance, OH for 19 years, so I am looking forward to heading up there next Saturday! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 29, 2009, 12:46:40 PM
Champs:

I can't speak for others from the Del Val community, but I understood what you meant by bully and was not at all offended.  Del Val has been at or near the top of the MAC pile for a while now.  I don't know if it'll continue but, if it does, having being regarded as the favorite is part of that position.

Albright played great yesterday.  Patrick Subers' season - a back up for years who took his team from dead to the playoffs - is one of the best stories of the 2009 Division III football season.  I hope he heals quickly for the holidays and can enjoy the team's trip to Alliance.

Same to you and the rest of the Albright community.  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 29, 2009, 02:57:05 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 29, 2009, 12:46:40 PM
Champs:

I can't speak for others from the Del Val community, but I understood what you meant by bully and was not at all offended.  Del Val has been at or near the top of the MAC pile for a while now.  I don't know if it'll continue but, if it does, having being regarded as the favorite is part of that position.

Albright played great yesterday.  Patrick Subers' season - a back up for years who took his team from dead to the playoffs - is one of the best stories of the 2009 Division III football season.  I hope he heals quickly for the holidays and can enjoy the team's trip to Alliance.

Same to you and the rest of the Albright community.  :)

dlip was quite surprised with the Albright/Del Val result yesterday. Congrats to Del Val on a great season and best of luck to Albright regarding their trip to Alliance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 30, 2009, 11:32:48 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 27, 2009, 06:17:57 PM
Maybe you had too much turkey and can't move a muscle.  Maybe you moved several muscles and went a long distance to get to Thanksgiving.  Whatever the reason, if you can't get to Doylestown for the MAC's NCAA Playoff Extravaganza...

Albright
vs.
Delaware Valley

Click here (http://athletics.delval.edu/sports/2008/9/5/FB_09football%20broadcast.aspx?id=41) to listen.  The broadcast begins with pregame coverage at 11:40 a.m. and then kickoff at 12 noon.

Thanks for keeping me company while I strung the lights on the tree!  I would much have rather been braving the wind in Doylestown, but at least MKaz is happy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 30, 2009, 12:52:29 PM
A sincere message to all the Alfred fans, with absolutely nothing against Albright, but it would have been wonderful to have entertained you all in Doylestown.  Albright's been at the stadium MANY times, & the more out-of-league games a team plays, the better.  We've learned so much about other schools & their home towns in the last 12 years of attending basketball games!  Gordon, speaking of b'ball, do my Aggies have to have an undefeated year for you to consider broadcasting the games?  Matt's great, but do you even "do" basketball?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 30, 2009, 01:44:43 PM
Kate:

Yes, I cover basketball, just from a different perspective.  I help run D3hoops, handling behind-the-scenes stuff (like hunting down that hard-to-find Rosemont/Penn St.-Brandywine score), sometimes writing the front page and covering the Atlantic and Mid Atlantic region.  I do a segment on Hoopsville, occasionally write Blog posts.   I hit different games on the weekends through PA/MD/NJ.  I aim for two hits per visit - an audio broadcast and a podcast or written segment that appears later in the week.  Then, come tournament time, I coordinate some of our coverage of the women's bracket.

But I'd like to do a couple Del Val games as the schedule permits.  I really enjoy working with the school.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 30, 2009, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 30, 2009, 01:44:43 PM
Kate:

Yes, I cover basketball, just from a different perspective.  I help run D3hoops, handling behind-the-scenes stuff (like hunting down that hard-to-find Rosemont/Penn St.-Brandywine score), sometimes writing the front page and covering the Atlantic and Mid Atlantic region.  I do a segment on Hoopsville, occasionally write Blog posts.   I hit different games on the weekends through PA/MD/NJ.  I aim for two hits per visit - an audio broadcast and a podcast or written segment that appears later in the week.  Then, come tournament time, I coordinate some of our coverage of the women's bracket.

But I'd like to do a couple Del Val games as the schedule permits.  I really enjoy working with the school.

pbr knows everyone enjoys listening to you call all the games gordon. would be great to hear on you hoops as looks like dvc boys hoops might finally be turning the corner! And the wrestling team just keeps rolling! put another beating on 2 good div II schools the other night! maybe you can call the midwest regionals for wrestling being held at dvc this year for pat? (not sure who has broadcast rights if any for the regional champsionships)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 30, 2009, 02:06:10 PM
thx for all the memories to all the dvc seniors! you guys have continued the excellence in program and deserve much credit for the success of the program. thank you and good luck to wherever life leads you after you leave dvc!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: purpled on December 01, 2009, 06:56:49 PM
Where's all the Lions' fans?

Welcome to Alliance! It's going to be a brisk day Saturday and you will be in the open stands facing west so dress warm. Have a safe trip!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on December 01, 2009, 07:09:57 PM
They don't exist.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 01, 2009, 11:05:50 PM
Not on these message boards anyway, except for Lanes and 1990 Champ.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on December 02, 2009, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: pg04 on December 01, 2009, 07:09:57 PM
They don't exist.

Easy there.  Some us just cant babysit the blogs allday but love them nonetheless. I do agree there is a lack of red and white in here and can I say too much  green and gold : )

Onto something constructive, does anyone know the TV, internet or streaming schedules and locals to watch this weekends games? TIA.

With regards to Champs, good job on the review as I missed the opening minutes for a lack of a parking lot and wound up halfway accross campus in getting to the Del val Game. Did hear a good bit of home crowd on my way into the colluseum. My post was from what I saw once I got into position where I had a good view.  Guess I should have taken the train...

Again, hoping for a good game...


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on December 02, 2009, 01:43:09 PM
If you go to the Scoreboard section off the main page, there are link icons on the right side of each game. Mount-Albright will have live stats and live audio. Sportstime Ohio has the video delay.

It looks like there is real time video for the other three although no lknk is there for Linfield yet. Linfield had the best live video of any D3 team I've seen.

As long as the voice of the Cleveland Cavaliers Joe Tait is doing the STO delayed broadcast, I don't see Mount going live feed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 02, 2009, 04:52:01 PM
Well then, Lanes and 1990 Champ, KICK 'EM IN THE SHINS!

We also salute those of you......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theaprof on December 02, 2009, 08:44:24 PM
HELLO---HELLo---HELlo---HEllo---Hello---hello???   Are there any Albright fans in here?????  Anyone who just wants to take up their cause??  It sure is quiet for a quarter final week?  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 02, 2009, 10:19:28 PM
Theaprof:

See the messages below.  Albright doesn't have a strong following on the message boards.  In fact, this board is pretty quiet all the time.

As much as it pained me to read it, Ryan Tipps has an outstanding column on Albright linked off the front page.  Exceptionally well done.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 1990 Champs on December 03, 2009, 04:17:06 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 02, 2009, 10:19:28 PM
Theaprof:

See the messages below.  Albright doesn't have a strong following on the message boards.  In fact, this board is pretty quiet all the time.

As much as it pained me to read it, Ryan Tipps has an outstanding column on Albright linked off the front page.  Exceptionally well done.
Quote from: D O.C. on December 02, 2009, 04:52:01 PM
Well then, Lanes and 1990 Champ, KICK 'EM IN THE SHINS!

We also salute those of you......

As a neophyte MAC poster, it is apparent that DVC has ruled this board this season.  D.O.C. I am not sure I will be kicking anyone in the shins, but the excitement of last Saturday's Albright win had me considering sending an email to the NCAA clearinghouse to see if they could scrounge up anymore eligibility for me!  Of course after no more than 5 plays I'd be sending them another email aasking for a medical redshirt.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theaprof on December 03, 2009, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: 1990 Champs on December 03, 2009, 04:17:06 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 02, 2009, 10:19:28 PM
Theaprof:

See the messages below.  Albright doesn't have a strong following on the message boards.  In fact, this board is pretty quiet all the time.

As much as it pained me to read it, Ryan Tipps has an outstanding column on Albright linked off the front page.  Exceptionally well done.
Quote from: D O.C. on December 02, 2009, 04:52:01 PM
Well then, Lanes and 1990 Champ, KICK 'EM IN THE SHINS!

We also salute those of you......

As a neophyte MAC poster, it is apparent that DVC has ruled this board this season.  D.O.C. I am not sure I will be kicking anyone in the shins, but the excitement of last Saturday's Albright win had me considering sending an email to the NCAA clearinghouse to see if they could scrounge up anymore eligibility for me!  Of course after no more than 5 plays I'd be sending them another email aasking for a medical redshirt.

Will you be coming to Alliance for the game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on December 03, 2009, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on December 02, 2009, 01:43:09 PM
If you go to the Scoreboard section off the main page, there are link icons on the right side of each game. Mount-Albright will have live stats and live audio. Sportstime Ohio has the video delay.

It looks like there is real time video for the other three although no lknk is there for Linfield yet. Linfield had the best live video of any D3 team I've seen.

As long as the voice of the Cleveland Cavaliers Joe Tait is doing the STO delayed broadcast, I don't see Mount going live feed.

Thanks Seventiesraider for the info but I find it hard to believe there is no video of a MUC game.  What a letdown. I see the delay is at 10pm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dog on December 03, 2009, 09:50:49 PM
There are always some Albright fans checking this board.  We are what we are though.  We keep it quiet.

This game could be a bit more of a surprise then people think.  DelVal was not ready for the Albright team that they faced last week.  This team does not plan on coming to Alliance for a vacation.  Most teams that come there in the playoffs have the loss expectation.  I think this Albright team is a little different.  There is a ton of leadership.

Hopefully it's at least a great game.  If the Bright doesnt take it, it will be fun to see if they can scare the big bad beast.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunk on December 04, 2009, 08:34:58 AM
Good Luck and safe travels to Albright faithful that are making the trip to A town. I hope we have a hard fought, clean, and injury free game. I can tell you that you have all the respect in the world from our coaches, players and most RAIDER FANS.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 04, 2009, 09:22:57 AM
go get 'em albright and do the MAC proud and shock the world!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 04, 2009, 11:10:07 AM
Stress free and safe travel to all. No injuries!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on December 04, 2009, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: LANES on December 03, 2009, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on December 02, 2009, 01:43:09 PM
If you go to the Scoreboard section off the main page, there are link icons on the right side of each game. Mount-Albright will have live stats and live audio. Sportstime Ohio has the video delay.

It looks like there is real time video for the other three although no lknk is there for Linfield yet. Linfield had the best live video of any D3 team I've seen.

As long as the voice of the Cleveland Cavaliers Joe Tait is doing the STO delayed broadcast, I don't see Mount going live feed.

Thanks Seventiesraider for the info but I find it hard to believe there is no video of a MUC game.  What a letdown. I see the delay is at 10pm.

It is believable, unfortunately.  Hard to see the games on STO in FL.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theaprof on December 04, 2009, 11:26:36 AM
Safe Travels--hope to meet some of you before the game at the tailgates!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: raiderguy on December 04, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: kirasdad on December 04, 2009, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: LANES on December 03, 2009, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on December 02, 2009, 01:43:09 PM
If you go to the Scoreboard section off the main page, there are link icons on the right side of each game. Mount-Albright will have live stats and live audio. Sportstime Ohio has the video delay.

It looks like there is real time video for the other three although no lknk is there for Linfield yet. Linfield had the best live video of any D3 team I've seen.

As long as the voice of the Cleveland Cavaliers Joe Tait is doing the STO delayed broadcast, I don't see Mount going live feed.

Thanks Seventiesraider for the info but I find it hard to believe there is no video of a MUC game.  What a letdown. I see the delay is at 10pm.

It is believable, unfortunately.  Hard to see the games on STO in FL.

Kirasdad,

I am able to pick up STO in Minnesota by picking up the sports package upgrade for $12/mo on DirecTv. You only have to keep it for a month at a time and I cancel after the playoffs. I was able to watch the SJF away game all 5 home games and all the playoffs. I did have to call DirecTV first to be sure they had the STO feed available. Nice deal being as far away as I am usually.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 1990 Champs on December 04, 2009, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 04, 2009, 09:22:57 AM
go get 'em albright and do the MAC proud and shock the world!

Very classy, PBR.  I'll be there cheerign them on.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on December 04, 2009, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: 1990 Champs on December 04, 2009, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 04, 2009, 09:22:57 AM
go get 'em albright and do the MAC proud and shock the world!

Very classy, PBR.  I'll be there cheerign them on.

Good luck to Albright. I was there last week (the entire experience in Alliance was great) and when I looked at MUC they did not look so bad with the exception of their "O" line. They are the real deal, make a mistake and you pay the price. They throw to spots, they are real quick and fast. You guys have a shot. Make the East and the MAC proud. Kick ass and take numbers. ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on December 04, 2009, 11:46:52 PM
BP QUARTERFINALS ANALYSIS AND PROJECTIONS POSTED.

http://uwwfootball.blogspot.com
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 05, 2009, 08:57:55 AM
I would love for Albright to beat MUC but my heart should not rule my head.

Mount Union 42 - Albright 13

It is hard to fathom how a small Methodist-related school in farm country Ohio continues to overwhelm the competition, locally and nationally, year after year.

Could it be there is no real D-II equivalent schools to compete for the talent pool in that area of the country so it is either sit the bench on a Big Ten program or play in Alliance?

That one D-III school can consistently remain so dominant is simultaneously remarkable and bewildering.

I love the Warriors and admire the success of the Purple people but still have a hard time comprehending their smashing successes.

I feel like Charlie Brown who asks, "Can anyone tell me the real meaning of Christmas?" 

And I am waiting for my Linus to make it all clear.

Go Navy - Beat Army - another great opportunity to win The Commander-in-Chief's cup!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on December 05, 2009, 09:19:37 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 05, 2009, 08:57:55 AM
It is hard to fathom how a small Methodist-related school in farm country Ohio continues to overwhelm the competition, locally and nationally, year after year.

Could it be there is no real D-II equivalent schools to compete for the talent pool in that area of the country so it is either sit the bench on a Big Ten program or play in Alliance?

There are LOTS of other Colleges with Football Programs in Ohio who are competing for the local talent:

DI-FBS
1.  Ohio State University
2.  Akron
3.  Bowling Green
4.  Kent State
5.  Miami
6.  Ohio U.
7.  Toledo
8.  Cincinnatti

DI-FCS
9.  Dayton
10.  Youngstown State

DII
11.  Ashland
12.  Findlay
13.  Tiffin
14.  Central State U.


DIII
15.  Baldwin Wallace
16.  Bluffton
17.  Capital
18.  Case Westeren
19.  Defiance
20.  Dennison
21.  Heidelberg
22.  Hiram
23.  John Carroll
24.  Kenyon
25.  Marietta
26.  Mt. St. Joseph
27.  Mount Union
28.  Muskingham
29.  Oberlin
30.  Ohio Northern
31.  Ohio Wesleyan
32.  Otterbein
33.  Wilmington
34.  Wittenberg
35.  Wooster

NAIA
36.  Ohio Domincan
37.  Malone
38.  Walsh
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HScoach on December 05, 2009, 09:38:56 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 05, 2009, 08:57:55 AM
I would love for Albright to beat MUC but my heart should not rule my head.

Mount Union 42 - Albright 13

It is hard to fathom how a small Methodist-related school in farm country Ohio continues to overwhelm the competition, locally and nationally, year after year.

Could it be there is no real D-II equivalent schools to compete for the talent pool in that area of the country so it is either sit the bench on a Big Ten program or play in Alliance?

That one D-III school can consistently remain so dominant is simultaneously remarkable and bewildering.

I love the Warriors and admire the success of the Purple people but still have a hard time comprehending their smashing successes.

I feel like Charlie Brown who asks, "Can anyone tell me the real meaning of Christmas?" 

And I am waiting for my Linus to make it all clear.

Go Navy - Beat Army - another great opportunity to win The Commander-in-Chief's cup!

ATB

It's hard to believe, even for us that have followed MUC since the dark days, but the reason is actually very simple:

LARRY KEHRES

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on December 05, 2009, 10:03:38 AM
Good luck today to Albright! Let's hope for a injury free passionate game and an Albright win! Either way making it to the regional finals is a great accomplishment and Albright and it's players should be very proud of what they have accomplished! Good luck fellas go ****in get'um!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on December 05, 2009, 10:06:38 AM
Albright...You've waited a long time for your shot to go deep into the playoff's...You were there in the mid 70's when only 8 teams were selected...You had a shot in the 90's with QB Snyder and Company but my Warriors stood in your way...Today it's in your hands to take aim and give it your best shot...Go Lions!!!....Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Doid23 on December 05, 2009, 11:36:26 AM
Rooting for an Albright upset, but would settle for them playing MUC tough, and making a game of it
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on December 05, 2009, 03:30:14 PM
Congrats again to Albright on a fine season. Players should hold their head up high. dlip guesses if you are gonna go out against anyone why not have it be the best team in all the ****in D3 world!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: seadog2 on December 05, 2009, 08:23:42 PM
Hats off to the Lions, they played a great game and just came up short. I expect we will be seeing you again in the not too distant future. I didn't see any quit in any of the guys on the field, from start to finish. They stayed with it, even when it had to be a little painful. Looks like you have some real talent to build with and next season could be very interesting. The fans you brought were very supportive of the team and deserve applause, unlike some of the children we have on that side. Best of luck to you and have a "Merry Christmas", or whatever you might celebrate. Safe travel to all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 06, 2009, 01:32:26 AM
Good run Albright.

That's how you do it.

Maybe some year the NCAA will send Mount Union West.   8)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 06, 2009, 08:55:15 AM
Wow - no props on my score prediction.

And - the D-II pickings seem pretty slim in Ohio so I guess it is go big-time or go to Alliance.

I am well-versed in the rest of the OAC but if you are going to choose a D-III program in Ohio it would seem to make sense to choose the monsters from MUC.

I do not see them losing in the playoffs - so it appears it is time to hoist another banner with the walnut trophy.

On another note - Simba - great to see a post from you - I thought you might have gone into winter hibernation with the Warriors dismal showing this year.

To all posters everywhere - Merry Christmas - that is what we say in our family - no offense to anyone else - but when we say that we mean good cheer and best wishes to accompany the birth of Jesus and mean no disrespect if you keep anything else or nothing at all.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 06, 2009, 11:38:29 PM
Quote from: kirasdad on December 05, 2009, 09:19:37 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 05, 2009, 08:57:55 AM
It is hard to fathom how a small Methodist-related school in farm country Ohio continues to overwhelm the competition, locally and nationally, year after year.

Could it be there is no real D-II equivalent schools to compete for the talent pool in that area of the country so it is either sit the bench on a Big Ten program or play in Alliance?

There are LOTS of other Colleges with Football Programs in Ohio who are competing for the local talent:

DI-FBS
1.  Ohio State University
2.  Akron
3.  Bowling Green
4.  Kent State
5.  Miami
6.  Ohio U.
7.  Toledo
8.  Cincinnatti

DI-FCS
9.  Dayton
10.  Youngstown State

DII
11.  Ashland
12.  Findlay
13.  Tiffin
14.  Central State U.


DIII
15.  Baldwin Wallace
16.  Bluffton
17.  Capital
18.  Case Westeren
19.  Defiance
20.  Dennison
21.  Heidelberg
22.  Hiram
23.  John Carroll
24.  Kenyon
25.  Marietta
26.  Mt. St. Joseph
27.  Mount Union
28.  Muskingham
29.  Oberlin
30.  Ohio Northern
31.  Ohio Wesleyan
32.  Otterbein
33.  Wilmington
34.  Wittenberg
35.  Wooster

NAIA
36.  Ohio Domincan
37.  Malone
38.  Walsh

A couple omissions on this already sizable list.  DII- Lake Erie College, NAIA- Notre Dame College.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 07, 2009, 01:34:13 PM
The list above is great, it shows there is great competition in the PRIVATE college world in Ohio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I see any D3 state schools on that list. ...

In a state like NJ, there is one private school in d3 playing football, but there's Rowan, Montcair, Kean, etc. all playing D3. They also cost about half of what the private school does...

I'm trying to say that if there was a competitive d3 state school in ohio, it might  be a little more difficult for MUC. Of course, once you start winning like MUC has, everyone wants to come on board!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on December 07, 2009, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: bill on December 07, 2009, 01:34:13 PM
The list above is great, it shows there is great competition in the PRIVATE college world in Ohio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I see any D3 state schools on that list. ...

In a state like NJ, there is one private school in d3 playing football, but there's Rowan, Montcair, Kean, etc. all playing D3. They also cost about half of what the private school does...

I'm trying to say that if there was a competitive d3 state school in ohio, it might  be a little more difficult for MUC. Of course, once you start winning like MUC has, everyone wants to come on board!

Some may say Kent St. and Akron are D3.  ;)   There are enough Big 10 and MAC State Schools that sponsor FB so I doubt that the State would start a D3 State School.  Also, some of the Universities have "Local Campuses" where undergrads complete their general classes, prior to going to the Main Campus.  This is probably why no State D3 schools.

This compared to a state like WI which don't have many (if any) private D3 or public D2 to compete with.

But both UWW and MUC have been able to rise above the rest.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Toph on December 07, 2009, 04:32:51 PM
Quote from: bill on December 07, 2009, 01:34:13 PM
The list above is great, it shows there is great competition in the PRIVATE college world in Ohio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I see any D3 state schools on that list. ...

In a state like NJ, there is one private school in d3 playing football, but there's Rowan, Montcair, Kean, etc. all playing D3. They also cost about half of what the private school does...

I'm trying to say that if there was a competitive d3 state school in ohio, it might  be a little more difficult for MUC. Of course, once you start winning like MUC has, everyone wants to come on board!

I don't know that I completely buy your argument.

There are plenty of competitive private D3 colleges and universities in Ohio.  I'd wager that both Ohio Northern and Capital would've outperformed every single team that represented the East region over the last few weeks.  JCU had a run at MUC (and through the East one year) in the late 90s and early 2000s, both Capital and ONU have been tough recently (Capital only lost by 7 this year, FYI).  I don't think it's a lack of competition that allows MUC to do what they do.  Larry Kehres is a great recruiter, and more importantly Larry Kehres is a great coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 07, 2009, 05:36:25 PM
Toph -

Please, in no way do I mean that there aren't other competitive private schools in Ohio. My point is about the state school option. Let's pretend - for a minute - that UW Whitewater was 50 miles down the road from MUC.  If UWW costs 15K (I'm making these numbers up for argument's sake), and MUC costs 40K a year, it would become tougher for MUC to get the best talent - the pool would become diluted.
As I'm sure it is in most areas, cost is a HUGE factor when recruiting kids. When facilities and perceived academic standings are about equal, the state school is a tough option to overlook for a family.

Coach Kehres IS a great coach. I've had the pleasure of meeting him on numerous occasions. MUC does a great job, period.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: section13raiderfan on December 07, 2009, 06:27:05 PM
Interestingly enough, MUC is about half an hours drive from both Kent State and Akron U. Both are D1 and offer scholarships. Neither draws the top level athletes from the area. MUC draws from NE Ohio primarily, but also NY, PA, WVA, IND, as well as FLA. Winning breeds interest from all corners. It doesnt matter what the tuition is as much as you may think. Kids still want to play for a winner. If you are not an athlete then the state schools cost is definately a bigger consideration. Both KSU and Akron have programs that are tops in their respective fields, but the football programs leave a little to be desired.

OH, LK was offered the job at KSU once. Thank God he passed on it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 07, 2009, 07:43:33 PM
Section13

Quote from: section13raiderfan on December 07, 2009, 06:27:05 PM
It doesnt matter what the tuition is as much as you may think...If you are not an athlete then the state schools cost is definately a bigger consideration.

Respectfully, I have to disagree with the above statement. In my 15+ years in D3/1-aa athletics, cost has been a primary factor in college choices. Many students and families will pick less loans over big debt time and time again. I have seen countless college decisions made based off of which school gave the best aid package.  I have seen tons of athletes pick state schools over private ones - even if the state school's academic reputation was lower than the private school.
Yes, kids want to play for a winner. Once again, my point remains that MUC would - theoretically - have a more difficult time recruiting if Kent State and Akron were highly competitive D3 schools, at half the price of MUC.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on December 07, 2009, 11:15:47 PM
Quote from: bill on December 07, 2009, 07:43:33 PM
Section13

Quote from: section13raiderfan on December 07, 2009, 06:27:05 PM
It doesnt matter what the tuition is as much as you may think...If you are not an athlete then the state schools cost is definately a bigger consideration.

Respectfully, I have to disagree with the above statement. In my 15+ years in D3/1-aa athletics, cost has been a primary factor in college choices. Many students and families will pick less loans over big debt time and time again. I have seen countless college decisions made based off of which school gave the best aid package.  I have seen tons of athletes pick state schools over private ones - even if the state school's academic reputation was lower than the private school.
Yes, kids want to play for a winner. Once again, my point remains that MUC would - theoretically - have a more difficult time recruiting if Kent State and Akron were highly competitive D3 schools, at half the price of MUC.



I do agree with you Bill. In my years of working with Wilkes football, many people asked me if King's, along with perhaps Lycoming, were our biggest recruting opponents for local talent. My reply has always bene no- without a doubt, the D2 PA state schools are our biggest obstacle. Coach Shep and Company do a fantastic job with local talent- the 2003 and 2004 recruting classes contained many outstanding players from the Lackawanna and Wyoming Valley Conferences. But it is also safe to say that if a few of those PSAC schools weren't in the football picture, then Wilkes, King's and the rest of the MAC would have a few more talented players on their rosters.

I hope all else is well in Madison-I shall try and give you a yell if I can get out to your campus when Wilkes is in town for basketball. Cheers :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 08, 2009, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on December 07, 2009, 11:15:47 PM
Quote from: bill on December 07, 2009, 07:43:33 PM
Section13

Quote from: section13raiderfan on December 07, 2009, 06:27:05 PM
It doesnt matter what the tuition is as much as you may think...If you are not an athlete then the state schools cost is definately a bigger consideration.

Respectfully, I have to disagree with the above statement. In my 15+ years in D3/1-aa athletics, cost has been a primary factor in college choices. Many students and families will pick less loans over big debt time and time again. I have seen countless college decisions made based off of which school gave the best aid package.  I have seen tons of athletes pick state schools over private ones - even if the state school's academic reputation was lower than the private school.
Yes, kids want to play for a winner. Once again, my point remains that MUC would - theoretically - have a more difficult time recruiting if Kent State and Akron were highly competitive D3 schools, at half the price of MUC.



I do agree with you Bill. In my years of working with Wilkes football, many people asked me if King's, along with perhaps Lycoming, were our biggest recruting opponents for local talent. My reply has always bene no- without a doubt, the D2 PA state schools are our biggest obstacle. Coach Shep and Company do a fantastic job with local talent- the 2003 and 2004 recruting classes contained many outstanding players from the Lackawanna and Wyoming Valley Conferences. But it is also safe to say that if a few of those PSAC schools weren't in the football picture, then Wilkes, King's and the rest of the MAC would have a few more talented players on their rosters.

I hope all else is well in Madison-I shall try and give you a yell if I can get out to your campus when Wilkes is in town for basketball. Cheers :)

The PSAC schools also recruit western NJ pretty hard too.  D3 also has to compete with Lafayette and Lehigh recruiting a lot of the same players and offering outstanding aid in the region.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on December 09, 2009, 05:51:15 PM
Mount's biggest local competition are the two NAIA schools in Canton: Walsh and Malone. Mount is recruiting all over the country but really hard in Florida. As a recently retired hs coach I can tell you the sales pitch from all the other OAC and NCAC  schools is "Don't wait till your a junior to play." (Skillfully skipping over, come in no better than second every year) It is an interesting self elimination process where kids that don't have confidence in their abilities or are looking for the easy softer way, pick other schools. From my experience, kids with that mentality never see a varsity snap at the other schools either.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 11, 2009, 01:40:21 PM
Congratulations to Kyle Gesswein being named D3Football.com's East Region Defensive Player of the Year!


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/12/11/FB_09all-region.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on December 11, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 01:40:21 PM
Congratulations to Kyle Gesswein being named D3Football.com's East Region Defensive Player of the Year!


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/12/11/FB_09all-region.aspx?path=football

PBR Im sorry but those are horrible looking uniforms.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 11, 2009, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Thornton Melon on December 11, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 01:40:21 PM
Congratulations to Kyle Gesswein being named D3Football.com's East Region Defensive Player of the Year!


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/12/11/FB_09all-region.aspx?path=football

PBR Im sorry but those are horrible looking uniforms.

Agreed.  Sorry PBR.... can we still be friends?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 11, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: Pong Lenis on December 11, 2009, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Thornton Melon on December 11, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 01:40:21 PM
Congratulations to Kyle Gesswein being named D3Football.com's East Region Defensive Player of the Year!


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/12/11/FB_09all-region.aspx?path=football

PBR Im sorry but those are horrible looking uniforms.

Agreed.  Sorry PBR.... can we still be friends?

beat it chumps...they are the look of a winner!  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on December 12, 2009, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: Pong Lenis on December 11, 2009, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Thornton Melon on December 11, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 01:40:21 PM
Congratulations to Kyle Gesswein being named D3Football.com's East Region Defensive Player of the Year!


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/12/11/FB_09all-region.aspx?path=football

PBR Im sorry but those are horrible looking uniforms.

Agreed.  Sorry PBR.... can we still be friends?

beat it chumps...they are the look of a winner!  ;)

I've been saying that about the DVC unis for years, but they are better than those old yellow helmets and old-style numbers from the early 2000s.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 16, 2009, 01:17:33 PM
I think the sales pitch from the provider was "hey, at least they're better than Rowans"!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 16, 2009, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on December 12, 2009, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: Pong Lenis on December 11, 2009, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Thornton Melon on December 11, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 01:40:21 PM
Congratulations to Kyle Gesswein being named D3Football.com's East Region Defensive Player of the Year!


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/12/11/FB_09all-region.aspx?path=football

PBR Im sorry but those are horrible looking uniforms.

Agreed.  Sorry PBR.... can we still be friends?

beat it chumps...they are the look of a winner!  ;)

I've been saying that about the DVC unis for years, but they are better than those old yellow helmets and old-style numbers from the early 2000s.

Not so long ago, Delaware Valley sported good-looking uniforms: metallic gold helmets and pants, Kelly green jerseys with, as I remember, block numerals. Nothing fancy, merely what I'd call "classic" or "traditional."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 16, 2009, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: bman on December 16, 2009, 01:17:33 PM
I think the sales pitch from the provider was "hey, at least they're better than Rowans"!

Well, maybe. Depends on whether you want your team to look like the hot-dog  mustard or the hot-dog relish ....  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 16, 2009, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: Pong Lenis on December 11, 2009, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Thornton Melon on December 11, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 01:40:21 PM
Congratulations to Kyle Gesswein being named D3Football.com's East Region Defensive Player of the Year!


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/12/11/FB_09all-region.aspx?path=football

PBR Im sorry but those are horrible looking uniforms.

Agreed.  Sorry PBR.... can we still be friends?

beat it chumps...they are the look of a winner!  ;)
UPMR, excuse me if this is a dumb question, I jumped over from the Centennial Conference board, but who is the girl on your posts? She is striking looking. Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 16, 2009, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on December 16, 2009, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: Pong Lenis on December 11, 2009, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Thornton Melon on December 11, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 01:40:21 PM
Congratulations to Kyle Gesswein being named D3Football.com's East Region Defensive Player of the Year!


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/12/11/FB_09all-region.aspx?path=football

PBR Im sorry but those are horrible looking uniforms.

Agreed.  Sorry PBR.... can we still be friends?

beat it chumps...they are the look of a winner!  ;)
UPMR, excuse me if this is a dumb question, I jumped over from the Centennial Conference board, but who is the girl on your posts? She is striking looking. Thanks

careful there cowboy that is pbr's wife....  ;)    now back to reality that is 1 melissa theuriau a tv broadcaster in france...which if you google her there are some fantastic pix of her walking out of the ocean if you follow me...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 16, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 16, 2009, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on December 12, 2009, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: Pong Lenis on December 11, 2009, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Thornton Melon on December 11, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 11, 2009, 01:40:21 PM
Congratulations to Kyle Gesswein being named D3Football.com's East Region Defensive Player of the Year!


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/12/11/FB_09all-region.aspx?path=football

PBR Im sorry but those are horrible looking uniforms.

Agreed.  Sorry PBR.... can we still be friends?

beat it chumps...they are the look of a winner!  ;)

I've been saying that about the DVC unis for years, but they are better than those old yellow helmets and old-style numbers from the early 2000s.

Not so long ago, Delaware Valley sported good-looking uniforms: metallic gold helmets and pants, Kelly green jerseys with, as I remember, block numerals. Nothing fancy, merely what I'd call "classic" or "traditional."

correct warren....really like those uni's but they changed things up when g.a. came into coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on December 16, 2009, 04:30:40 PM
Thanks, think I need to visit the French beaches sometime!!!!!! Now that i think about it, I would watch the French news every night and not care that I didn't understand a word she said. Ha Ha
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 16, 2009, 04:47:34 PM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on December 16, 2009, 04:30:40 PM
Thanks, think I need to visit the French beaches sometime!!!!!! Now that i think about it, I would watch the French news every night and not care that I didn't understand a word she said. Ha Ha

isn't that the male dream?  to not be able to understand a word your woman says, thus having to ignore her??  pbr?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 16, 2009, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: Andy Feltersnatch on December 16, 2009, 04:47:34 PM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on December 16, 2009, 04:30:40 PM
Thanks, think I need to visit the French beaches sometime!!!!!! Now that i think about it, I would watch the French news every night and not care that I didn't understand a word she said. Ha Ha

isn't that the male dream?  to not be able to understand a word your woman says, thus having to ignore her??  pbr?


no comment ...(in case mpbr ever finds her way onto this site! )
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2009, 02:09:18 AM
PBR -- I think it was you who suggested adding an entrant's point total into the Pick 'em email. Got that done for you this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 17, 2009, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2009, 02:09:18 AM
PBR -- I think it was you who suggested adding an entrant's point total into the Pick 'em email. Got that done for you this week.

you are correct sir and been meaning to thank you. noticed it right away in the email. pat who did you pick to win it all in your d3 bracket uww or muc?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on December 17, 2009, 09:29:37 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 17, 2009, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2009, 02:09:18 AM
PBR -- I think it was you who suggested adding an entrant's point total into the Pick 'em email. Got that done for you this week.

you are correct sir and been meaning to thank you. noticed it right away in the email. pat who did you pick to win it all in your d3 bracket uww or muc?

LD jumped way up to a big 260 of 901.  Pretty pitiful, but considering where I was, not bad...And I should jump another 150 atleast when UWW wins...  :-)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2009, 02:11:31 AM
Quote from: uPBRmeASAP on December 17, 2009, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2009, 02:09:18 AM
PBR -- I think it was you who suggested adding an entrant's point total into the Pick 'em email. Got that done for you this week.

you are correct sir and been meaning to thank you. noticed it right away in the email. pat who did you pick to win it all in your d3 bracket uww or muc?

UWW.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 23, 2009, 08:20:04 AM
congrats to 2 dvc players named to the all american team

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2009/12/21/FB_09all-american.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 24, 2009, 07:49:12 AM
Merry Christmas to all MAC posters, players and coaches!

It is good to be home in the USA celebrating the holidays.

Japan was fine but nothing compares to America.

Trust me - been all around the world:  from Djibouti, Africa to Yokohama, Japan and Arlington, VA is where I choose to be.

God bless all Marines, Sailors, Airmen, Soldiers, and Guardians who stand the watch 24/7, 365 so we can go out to the convenience store or mall without fearing for our lives.

Right now - aircraft are launching and recovering from the deck of a carrier, a soldier is shouldering a weapon on the DMZ in Korea, a destroyer is patrolling the waters off Somali, an airman is sitting in a missile silo in the Midwest, a Marine is at elevation in Afghanistan with his brothers hunting al Qaeda, and a Guardian is in a helicopter or cutter searching for some desperate soul who fell off his fishing vessel.

America is a wonderful place and I thank the Lord for our freedoms and prosperity and wish you all a blessed Christmas season and prosperous New Year.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 06, 2010, 09:53:59 AM
Saw in my local paper that Widener's Head Football coach, Dave Wood, resigned yesterday after 7 seasons for medical reasons and to spend more time with his family. Kind of surprised by this. I hope everything is ok. My thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 06, 2010, 11:46:11 AM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on January 06, 2010, 09:53:59 AM
Saw in my local paper that Widener's Head Football coach, Dave Wood, resigned yesterday after 7 seasons for medical reasons and to spend more time with his family. Kind of surprised by this. I hope everything is ok. My thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family.

yup saw that in the local paper as well. congratulations to him on a fine career at widener and best wishes to him. article is on widener's website as well...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on January 07, 2010, 11:54:30 AM
Sorry to hear about Coach Wood stepping down- all the best to him and his family.  :)

Still no news on the next HC at King's? I have all the respect in the world for everyone I know over there, but it is getting a bit late in the process to not have someone in place.......
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on January 08, 2010, 08:34:54 PM
G-manWU

Happy new year to you. Are you guys coming to Sam Mills Field this September? We owe you one for the spanking you put on us last year. ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 02, 2010, 09:56:46 AM
Widener hired their new Head Football Coach yesterday. Isaac Collins, Defensive Coordinator from The Citadel. According to the press release he becomes only the 5th active minority Head Football coach in D3. Good luck to Coach Collins.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on February 02, 2010, 10:21:45 AM
Is that the same Ike Collins who was at Columbia and Hobart before that?  If so, he's a really nice guy and coached a couple of great RB's at Hobart (Mark Logan and Keith Brandon, early).  That may explain why Widener is on the Hobart's schedule starting in 2011, replacing Carnegie Mellon. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on February 02, 2010, 10:50:11 AM
That is the same guy. He played and graduated from Rochester in 1994 and also coached at Delaware prior to the Citadel.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on February 02, 2010, 11:02:46 AM
Good luck.  He was a great guy amongst a group of great assistant coaches my FR year.  I always figured he'd do well (along with Chris Phelps and Bobby Wynn). 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on February 02, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
It is the same Ike Collins who has previously coached at Hobart. However, there is not any connection to Hobart being on the schedule. My understanding is that game was actually in place prior to the coaching change. Congrats to Coach Collins on his new position I hope he can get the program back on track. Also, congrats to Widener for stepping out of the box and hiring what they felt was the best candidate for the program. It will be interesting to see what happens with the players and staff currently involved with the program.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 02, 2010, 11:46:28 AM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on February 02, 2010, 09:56:46 AM
Widener hired their new Head Football Coach yesterday. Isaac Collins, Defensive Coordinator from The Citadel. According to the press release he becomes only the 5th active minority Head Football coach in D3. Good luck to Coach Collins.

congrats to the widener community and good luck! (well not too much luck when playing dvc...) ;-)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on February 03, 2010, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: BTEXPRESS on February 02, 2010, 10:50:11 AM
That is the same guy. He played and graduated from Rochester in 1994 and also coached at Delaware prior to the Citadel.

I thought so too.  Glad to see him in a HC role.  He's a good guy and hopefully he does a great job at WU.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on February 08, 2010, 09:55:22 PM
I agree that Ike is a great hire for Widener. He is a fantastic coach; I was lucky enough to coach with him at Lehigh. I wish him nothing but the best....This is a guy on the way up...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zlovesid on February 16, 2010, 06:39:16 PM
King's held a press conference to introduce Jeff Knarr as its new head coach. The press conference archive can be viewed any time at: mms://streaming.kings.edu/FootballHeadCoach
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 19, 2010, 03:36:11 PM
good luck the dvc wrestlers as dvc hosts the midwest regionals this weekend. Hope many do well and move onto nationals. Pbr will try and make it down to see some of the matches saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 22, 2010, 07:43:50 AM
congrats to the dvc wrestling team sending 7 wrestlers to the ncaa championships and having 6 individual region champions and winning their 4th consecutive regional crown. well done by all now its time to go bring home the national championship in wrestling
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on April 08, 2010, 02:52:07 PM
Anyone offering any early predictions or recruiting feedback for the MAC?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on April 21, 2010, 03:03:54 PM
Del Val's schedule is up - it looks very strong.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 21, 2010, 03:33:53 PM
Quote from: kate on April 21, 2010, 03:03:54 PM
Del Val's schedule is up - it looks very strong.

saw it...very much like it! very tough OOC opponents. In fact that is kind of what concerns me...the selection committee has shown over and over that they give no heavier weighting to a tough schedule. They strictly look almost at records only. They have shown they would rather you beat up on cream puffs and pump up your record rather than play tough OOC teams and get rewarded for it. Even if you were to lose a close game to someone outside of your conference on the road it is held against you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 21, 2010, 03:44:02 PM
Del Val had a really hard time filling its third open date. Wesley and W&J (via the PAC-MAC challenge) were already set but it was hard to find a taker that was nearby to play.  Muhlenberg is a nice addition.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 22, 2010, 08:04:56 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on April 21, 2010, 03:44:02 PM
Del Val had a really hard time filling its third open date. Wesley and W&J (via the PAC-MAC challenge) were already set but it was hard to find a taker that was nearby to play.  Muhlenberg is a nice addition.

get your voice ready gordon! ready to go already...think dvc is going to be strong this year with many returning starters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on May 06, 2010, 10:00:15 AM
Congrats to Mike Isgro for being honered by the NFF and NCAA last night at Villanova.  Apparently he is a great student as well as a great athlete.  Do any of you close to the DVC program know if he plans to stay in the area and what his future plans are?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 10, 2010, 07:27:01 AM
Quote from: D3FBFan55 on May 06, 2010, 10:00:15 AM
Congrats to Mike Isgro for being honered by the NFF and NCAA last night at Villanova.  Apparently he is a great student as well as a great athlete.  Do any of you close to the DVC program know if he plans to stay in the area and what his future plans are?

Not sure what his plans are this point....he is from nj if memory serves me correctly (absecon or somewhere near there i believe). So his family i guess is local but not sure what his plans are, some when they graduate want to go see the world. Many people i graduated w/ from dvc are all over the world and spread across the u.s.a.
Title: Del Val and life after Isgro
Post by: D3FBFan55 on June 07, 2010, 10:25:50 AM
With M.Isgro graduating, will Del Val still have a formidable team?  I know they had a lot of talent, I am just not sure how many of them graduated.  Are they still the class of the MAC?

Also Albright was good last year as well.  Did they lose all their good players to graduation, or will they have sustained success?

Lets get some football talk going, this topic has been dead for a while.
Title: Re: Del Val and life after Isgro
Post by: PBR... on June 07, 2010, 12:50:23 PM
Quote from: D3FBFan55 on June 07, 2010, 10:25:50 AM
With M.Isgro graduating, will Del Val still have a formidable team?  I know they had a lot of talent, I am just not sure how many of them graduated.  Are they still the class of the MAC?

Also Albright was good last year as well.  Did they lose all their good players to graduation, or will they have sustained success?

Lets get some football talk going, this topic has been dead for a while.

Well here is a link for you for some info on DVC's team this year. They have 18 returning starters. Granted a key graduation was Isgro but his backup Mark Hatty played very well when Isgro was injured last year. DVC is should be listed as 1 of the top teams in the MAC if not the top team. Now is when imho when teams make leaps and bounds. The off season workouts is what paves the road for victories in september.

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2010/6/7/FB_10preseason_all-americans.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 08, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
I think the Sporting News' analysis is dead on.  Hatty's ability to replace Isgro at quarterback is the key.  I expect Cook to carry the ball and the offensive burden more in early games.  The defense should be fine, though they'll miss Squitierre in the secondary.

Albright lost star quarterback Tanner Kelly quarterback and his favorite target Nate Romig.  It also lost the talented backup QB Patrick Subers.  It'll be interesting to see who plays quarterback next.  I think Kelly was recruited by E.J. Sandusky who also coached gunslinger Jon Port.  A couple years ago Marzka told me he wanted to run the ball more, so maybe they'll have a different kind of QB.

Del Val's preseason ranking is too high, but I'd put them and Leb Val as the favorites in some order.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on July 07, 2010, 03:43:07 PM
When is the coaches meeting where they vote on the pre-season rankings?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 07, 2010, 05:03:22 PM
Early to mid-August, I believe.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on July 07, 2010, 08:52:58 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 08, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
I think the Sporting News' analysis is dead on.  Hatty's ability to replace Isgro at quarterback is the key.  I expect Cook to carry the ball and the offensive burden more in early games.  The defense should be fine, though they'll miss Squitierre in the secondary.

Albright lost star quarterback Tanner Kelly quarterback and his favorite target Nate Romig.  It also lost the talented backup QB Patrick Subers.  It'll be interesting to see who plays quarterback next.  I think Kelly was recruited by E.J. Sandusky who also coached gunslinger Jon Port.  A couple years ago Marzka told me he wanted to run the ball more, so maybe they'll have a different kind of QB.

Del Val's preseason ranking is too high, but I'd put them and Leb Val as the favorites in some order.



I also think Del Val is ranked too high, but they are a good team that should win the MAC and let's see how they come out of the gate with W&J and Wesley. If they split those (2) games, look out. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 11, 2010, 09:13:16 PM
Yep.  The three game stretch of W&J-Wesley-LVC will tell the tale.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 12, 2010, 08:26:00 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 11, 2010, 09:13:16 PM
Yep.  The three game stretch of W&J-Wesley-LVC will tell the tale.

and 2 of the 3 games are at home which should help dvc
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on July 12, 2010, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: PASAemRBPu on July 12, 2010, 08:26:00 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 11, 2010, 09:13:16 PM
Yep.  The three game stretch of W&J-Wesley-LVC will tell the tale.

and 2 of the 3 games are at home which should help dvc
Is their any talk of Del Val getting artificial turf on their field.  Of all the fields I will be on this year, this is the only school that still has grass.  As good as this program is, you would think the facilities would be a whole lot better.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 12, 2010, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: D3FBFan55 on July 12, 2010, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: PASAemRBPu on July 12, 2010, 08:26:00 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 11, 2010, 09:13:16 PM
Yep.  The three game stretch of W&J-Wesley-LVC will tell the tale.

and 2 of the 3 games are at home which should help dvc
Is their any talk of Del Val getting artificial turf on their field.  Of all the fields I will be on this year, this is the only school that still has grass.  As good as this program is, you would think the facilities would be a whole lot better.

havent heard anything but if 1 was to venture a guess...no...they completely gutted their field a couple of years ago. they had an alumni donate a ton of resources to the school if memory serves pbr correctly. the field is named after him, but they tore up all the drainage and completely overhauled the materials under the grass as well (more sand/stone now). the field holds up very well now in all conditions as it only gets about 5 football games a year on it. In these tough economic times unless someone stepped up to offer to pay for everything (1-2 million) for a next turf field pbr doesn't see it happening. but yes it is time to revamp the stands and locker rooms/concession stands though, couldnt agree more with you there. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 12, 2010, 12:16:18 PM
some preseason polls/info on dvc...

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2010/july/12/delval-ranked-seventh-in-preseason-polls-1.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on July 15, 2010, 06:19:35 PM
What happened to your name?  Are you hiding from some of "the Boys" from Jersey in the Witness Protection plan?

Can we expect some strange sort of icon figure to identify you in the future?

And, while I hate to break up this love-fest over DVC, is there anyone in here with any thoughts on Lycoming? 

"Anyone, anyone, . . . the Laffer Curve, also called something, something, economics."

Frankly, I liked it better when Lycoming just stomped on the rest of the MAC each year.  Oh yeah, and I know how long ago it was too - it just was so much easier to not think of DVC as anything other than a W on the way to an undefeated season.

But parity is so much better for competition, at least that is what people would have you think.

Frankly, I liked it when the MAC championship lived in Williamsport instead of these other towns.

Can I get an Amen from brother Simba?????

But all kidding aside, for merely a nano-second, how is the MAC predicted to shake-out? 

Now all you Ram supporters try not to get your blood pressure worked up - just give me some info - throw me a bone.

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 15, 2010, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on July 15, 2010, 06:19:35 PM
What happened to your name?  Are you hiding from some of "the Boys" from Jersey in the Witness Protection plan?

Can we expect some strange sort of icon figure to identify you in the future?

And, while I hate to break up this love-fest over DVC, is there anyone in here with any thoughts on Lycoming? 

"Anyone, anyone, . . . the Laffer Curve, also called something, something, economics."

Frankly, I liked it better when Lycoming just stomped on the rest of the MAC each year.  Oh yeah, and I know how long ago it was too - it just was so much easier to not think of DVC as anything other than a W on the way to an undefeated season.

But parity is so much better for competition, at least that is what people would have you think.

Frankly, I liked it when the MAC championship lived in Williamsport instead of these other towns.

Can I get an Amen from brother Simba?????

But all kidding aside, for merely a nano-second, how is the MAC predicted to shake-out? 

Now all you Ram supporters try not to get your blood pressure worked up - just give me some info - throw me a bone.

ATB



here we go w/ pbr's predictions... very close call for first in the conf. between dvc and lvc....(yes thats right leb val) they came on very strong last year. dvc has a ton of returning starters 18 in fact and although isgro graduated they have a qb w/ experience who played well when isgro was out hurt. give a small edge to dvc. after those 2 pbr would stack lyco/wilkes cant remember off hand how many each of these guys have coming back but if memory serves pbr correctly that is about right. a close place behind w/ lyco/wilkes would be albright. but they have a lot to replace but a strong coaching staff to pull it off. should also note it will be interesting to see how widener does w/ their new coach, just think it will take widener a year or two to get the new system and players in place. lastly pbr thinks kings will bring up the bottom....this is off the top of the head(so forgive me if there was a error in something missed) and not doing to much research on returning players. gordon would have a better idea at this point as he takes meticulous notes and has the cliff notes....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on July 16, 2010, 05:50:35 AM
I always enjoy your posts regardless of your nom de plume.

Thanks for taking my jabs in stride and giving me your thoughts.

Have a great weekend.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 16, 2010, 07:29:24 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on July 16, 2010, 05:50:35 AM
I always enjoy your posts regardless of your nom de plume.

Thanks for taking my jabs in stride and giving me your thoughts.

Have a great weekend.

ATB

no problem as my sister is a lyco grad, so there are many jabs coming from her all the time when lyco is in town
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on July 16, 2010, 08:58:32 AM
Pep is a bit curious about Widener, given the Pride's rich heritage and the fact that last year's squad, although finishing 3-7, with a few different bounces of the ball could easily have been 7-3. They appeared to be in most of their games. A coaching change can be pivotal in the program.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lvcsid on July 16, 2010, 09:53:43 AM
To answer an earlier question, the MAC preseason poll is scheduled to come out on Tuesday, Aug. 3. That week, we'll also have an entire series of football previews on our site, GoDutchmen.com, like we did last year. LVC's preseason roster has already been posted!

-Tim Flynn
Sports Information Director, Lebanon Valley College
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 16, 2010, 10:03:34 AM
Quote from: lvcsid on July 16, 2010, 09:53:43 AM
To answer an earlier question, the MAC preseason poll is scheduled to come out on Tuesday, Aug. 3. That week, we'll also have an entire series of football previews on our site, GoDutchmen.com, like we did last year. LVC's preseason roster has already been posted!

-Tim Flynn
Sports Information Director, Lebanon Valley College

good info Tim....thanks. feel free to post more around here and direct students over here, its good to have some lvc folks here, usually its just warren thompson giving lvc a shout out
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 16, 2010, 12:01:38 PM
On the Aggies' field, I concur with the artist formerly known as PBR.  The grass seems to hold up well, even in the rain. Plus how would artificial turf look at an agricultural school that has a turf management program? :) 

I could tell you what I think will happen in the MAC.  But then that would spoil the fun of this (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/)...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on July 16, 2010, 03:20:44 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 16, 2010, 12:01:38 PM
On the Aggies' field, I concur with the artist formerly known as PBR.  The grass seems to hold up well, even in the rain. Plus how would artificial turf look at an agricultural school that has a turf management program? :) 

I could tell you what I think will happen in the MAC.  But then that would spoil the fun of this (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/)...
Gordon, I see your point on the field remaining natural.  However, whats their excuse for the stands?  As a frequent visitor to the school I feel like zero dollars are put into the football facilities.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 17, 2010, 01:28:11 AM
My understanding is Delaware Valley is constrained in how much it can renovate the facility, but just by money.  The facility was built before certain construction standards were set.  Because the facility predates those standards, it's "grandfathered" in to them.  The facility, like other older places, doesn't have to meet those standards.  However, if the College makes significant renovations to the facility, it loses that exemption.  So the school can't take the renovations too far without having to go all the way with something much more expensive.  The school has made some renovations, like redoing the home locker room.  But they aren't visible to most spectators.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on July 17, 2010, 07:36:52 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 17, 2010, 01:28:11 AM
My understanding is Delaware Valley is constrained in how much it can renovate the facility, but just by money.  The facility was built before certain construction standards were set.  Because the facility predates those standards, it's "grandfathered" in to them.  The facility, like other older places, doesn't have to meet those standards.  However, if the College makes significant renovations to the facility, it loses that exemption.  So the school can't take the renovations too far without having to go all the way with something much more expensive.  The school has made some renovations, like redoing the home locker room.  But they aren't visible to most spectators.

QuotePlus how would artificial turf look at an agricultural school that has a turf management program? Smiley 

+k, nice Gordon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 26, 2010, 09:56:47 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 17, 2010, 01:28:11 AM
My understanding is Delaware Valley is constrained in how much it can renovate the facility, but just by money.  The facility was built before certain construction standards were set.  Because the facility predates those standards, it's "grandfathered" in to them.  The facility, like other older places, doesn't have to meet those standards.  However, if the College makes significant renovations to the facility, it loses that exemption.  So the school can't take the renovations too far without having to go all the way with something much more expensive.  The school has made some renovations, like redoing the home locker room.  But they aren't visible to most spectators.

So what you are saying Gordon, is that Del Val, would rather have it's students and fans subjected to the safety risks inherent in buildings with pre-modern safety standards,  than spending the needed dollars on the corrections?  ... :-[
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 26, 2010, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: bman on July 26, 2010, 09:56:47 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 17, 2010, 01:28:11 AM
My understanding is Delaware Valley is constrained in how much it can renovate the facility, but just by money.  The facility was built before certain construction standards were set.  Because the facility predates those standards, it's "grandfathered" in to them.  The facility, like other older places, doesn't have to meet those standards.  However, if the College makes significant renovations to the facility, it loses that exemption.  So the school can't take the renovations too far without having to go all the way with something much more expensive.  The school has made some renovations, like redoing the home locker room.  But they aren't visible to most spectators.

So what you are saying Gordon, is that Del Val, would rather have it's students and fans subjected to the safety risks inherent in buildings with pre-modern safety standards,  than spending the needed dollars on the corrections?  ... :-[

in short...yes...the stadium is still inspected for safety and would obviously not be allowed to put fans in the stands if something were deemed unsafe. If you would like to contribute $ towards the renovation of the stadium which w/ the economy the way it is they would be more than glad to accept your donation  ;D   In all seriousness they obviously know the stadium needs to be redone. But getting alumni/corporations to donate in these tough economic times is not easy. Its hard to justify dumping that kind of $ into something that gets used what maybe 5-7 times a year for football? most would argue that kind of money could be used much better elsewhere hence why you need alumni/corporations to target their donations to that upgrade which wont be cheap as gordon said. BUT in certain respects now would be the time to do it if possible as materials/labor are much cheaper than during a bull economy....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on July 26, 2010, 10:59:12 AM
Quote from: poster formerly known as upbrmeasap on July 26, 2010, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: bman on July 26, 2010, 09:56:47 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 17, 2010, 01:28:11 AM
My understanding is Delaware Valley is constrained in how much it can renovate the facility, but just by money.  The facility was built before certain construction standards were set.  Because the facility predates those standards, it's "grandfathered" in to them.  The facility, like other older places, doesn't have to meet those standards.  However, if the College makes significant renovations to the facility, it loses that exemption.  So the school can't take the renovations too far without having to go all the way with something much more expensive.  The school has made some renovations, like redoing the home locker room.  But they aren't visible to most spectators.

So what you are saying Gordon, is that Del Val, would rather have it's students and fans subjected to the safety risks inherent in buildings with pre-modern safety standards,  than spending the needed dollars on the corrections?  ... :-[

in short...yes...the stadium is still inspected for safety and would obviously not be allowed to put fans in the stands if something were deemed unsafe. If you would like to contribute $ towards the renovation of the stadium which w/ the economy the way it is they would be more than glad to accept your donation  ;D   In all seriousness they obviously know the stadium needs to be redone. But getting alumni/corporations to donate in these tough economic times is not easy. Its hard to justify dumping that kind of $ into something that gets used what maybe 5-7 times a year for football? most would argue that kind of money could be used much better elsewhere hence why you need alumni/corporations to target their donations to that upgrade which wont be cheap as gordon said. BUT in certain respects now would be the time to do it if possible as materials/labor are much cheaper than during a bull economy....

The home grandstand at Merrill Field (Alfred University), which had been constructed in 1983 from an erector set, was declared unsafe in May 2009 (or perhaps earlier) because poorly designed welds were popping. AU might have been the homeless Saxons last season except for the securing of said welds with bolts as a temporary fix. Pep is not sure where AU is getting the $1.2 million to replace the home grandstand (plan is to sell 200+ stadium style seats located at center of grandstand) but the campus has been assured that the funding will NOT come from the University's very tight operating budget. Meanwhile, the AstroTurf12 is being replaced (as previously scheduled) with FieldTurf.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on July 27, 2010, 11:53:42 AM
Del Val people

I understand your pain about a stadium. Remember what the stands at FDU used to look like? They certainly weren't safe! It took us 10 years to raise money for the current field...maybe you'll get lucky!

Of course, you could always pull an Albright style deal and have Doylestown public schools kick in a few million :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 27, 2010, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: bill on July 27, 2010, 11:53:42 AM
Del Val people

I understand your pain about a stadium. Remember what the stands at FDU used to look like? They certainly weren't safe! It took us 10 years to raise money for the current field...maybe you'll get lucky!

Of course, you could always pull an Albright style deal and have Doylestown public schools kick in a few million :)

HA! nice one bill....yeah unfortunately all the central bucks schools have just redone all their stadiums(except for c.b. east whose stadium has been in litigation for 100+ years it seems). so they have brand new all weather tracks and nextTurf for a field and stands. This way the fields dont get beat up w/ football/soccer/fieldhockey playing on them almost every night of the week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on July 28, 2010, 11:13:04 PM
So, you want to talk facilities? Well...LET'S TALK FACILITIES, baby!!!!! :D

As other MAC schools have updated their football facilities, I have always waited for Wilkes to take their place among those with upgraded stadiums. Now, after many seasons on that old grass and those lovable but rickety old bleachers, Ralston Field is seeing some much-needed attention. You can read all about the project, and view a week-by-week gallery of photos on the project, at the following link:

http://www.wilkes.edu/pages/3797.asp

One of the things that makes me proud about this project is that the university as a whole is recognizing the tremendous contributions made to the school by the athletic program, and that the field renovations follow several years of outstanding facilities renovations and acquisitions on the banks of the Susquehanna. From the time of my arrival at Wilkes in August of 2004, to the time of my graduation in May of 2008, the university acquired several buildings that added to the school's physical footprint, and also placed new priority on "green" technology that has been evident all throughout campus. Some of those renovations were  smaller in nature, while others were on a very large scale. But all were important, needed, and quite impressive.

As for the product that the Colonels will put on the field this year, I have little info to build on. In terms of graduation losses, Wilkes will be breaking in a new starting QB, and will also need to replace several key performers in the secondary. But some skilled players look set to return, and if the new QB can pick up the offense at a reasonable level, I have no doubt that Coach Shep can keep the team competitive and then some. If you look at last season, no doubt many observers were writing the Colonels off for a 2-8 or 1-9 year. Well, it is true that Wilkes got trounced by the two best MAC teams. But the Colonels also finished with a winning record, which included handing Montclair State their only loss of the regular season. Not bad for a team many had dismissed before the first whistle.......

This season marks the senior season for the guys who were freshman during my last year with the team...here's hoping it will be a memorable one at the newly-renovated Ralston Field :)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 29, 2010, 09:58:13 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on July 28, 2010, 11:13:04 PM
So, you want to talk facilities? Well...LET'S TALK FACILITIES, baby!!!!! :D

As other MAC schools have updated their football facilities, I have always waited for Wilkes to take their place among those with upgraded stadiums. Now, after many seasons on that old grass and those lovable but rickety old bleachers, Ralston Field is seeing some much-needed attention. You can read all about the project, and view a week-by-week gallery of photos on the project, at the following link:

http://www.wilkes.edu/pages/3797.asp

One of the things that makes me proud about this project is that the university as a whole is recognizing the tremendous contributions made to the school by the athletic program, and that the field renovations follow several years of outstanding facilities renovations and acquisitions on the banks of the Susquehanna. From the time of my arrival at Wilkes in August of 2004, to the time of my graduation in May of 2008, the university acquired several buildings that added to the school's physical footprint, and also placed new priority on "green" technology that has been evident all throughout campus. Some of those renovations were  smaller in nature, while others were on a very large scale. But all were important, needed, and quite impressive.

As for the product that the Colonels will put on the field this year, I have little info to build on. In terms of graduation losses, Wilkes will be breaking in a new starting QB, and will also need to replace several key performers in the secondary. But some skilled players look set to return, and if the new QB can pick up the offense at a reasonable level, I have no doubt that Coach Shep can keep the team competitive and then some. If you look at last season, no doubt many observers were writing the Colonels off for a 2-8 or 1-9 year. Well, it is true that Wilkes got trounced by the two best MAC teams. But the Colonels also finished with a winning record, which included handing Montclair State their only loss of the regular season. Not bad for a team many had dismissed before the first whistle.......

This season marks the senior season for the guys who were freshman during my last year with the team...here's hoping it will be a memorable one at the newly-renovated Ralston Field :)



excellent stuff for the wilkes players and fans. Just hope that DVC needs they need to redo the stadium soon which pbr believes they do its just a matter of money. Problem is it becomes a strong recruiting tool. When kids are looking at the MAC schools and most have new/top facilities vs. older/dated facilities that can be a real turning point for recruits. Right now albright/wilkes and others have very good facilities and its DVC's time to step up.


EDIT: btw was down at widener for my kid's track meet a few weeks ago. That campus is getting huge. Cant believe how big a footprint they have now and how many buildings on that campus. They have grown a lot since pbr was there last
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on July 29, 2010, 11:00:31 AM
Comparing Albright's facilities to Del Vals is night and day.  If I was an 18 year old being recruited, its a no brainer.  I have been in both locker rooms and on both fields, and while Del Val has a great grass field, Albrights is still nicer.  And yes, I know its financially related, but Del Val has built a few buildings in the past 10 years, so they are not hurting for money.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 29, 2010, 11:56:11 AM
Quote from: D3FBFan55 on July 29, 2010, 11:00:31 AM
Comparing Albright's facilities to Del Vals is night and day.  If I was an 18 year old being recruited, its a no brainer.  I have been in both locker rooms and on both fields, and while Del Val has a great grass field, Albrights is still nicer.  And yes, I know its financially related, but Del Val has built a few buildings in the past 10 years, so they are not hurting for money.

thats part of it....dvc decided to get a bigger bang for their money. new buildings dorms/classrooms etc get much better return on their money. Also part of it is the coaching staff. DVC obviously has been very strong for awhile in football and the kids like the idea of going to the playoffs every year or at least a good chance. Facilities arent the only factor in deciding a school but definetly play a part. W/ DVC moving up to a university status from college status pbr is hoping they continue to upgrade facilities including the football stadium.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 29, 2010, 04:45:50 PM

EDIT: btw was down at widener for my kid's track meet a few weeks ago. That campus is getting huge. Cant believe how big a footprint they have now and how many buildings on that campus. They have grown a lot since pbr was there last
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It's from the football stadium revenue  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on July 29, 2010, 09:07:58 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on July 28, 2010, 11:13:04 PM
So, you want to talk facilities? Well...LET'S TALK FACILITIES, baby!!!!! :D

As other MAC schools have updated their football facilities, I have always waited for Wilkes to take their place among those with upgraded stadiums. Now, after many seasons on that old grass and those lovable but rickety old bleachers, Ralston Field is seeing some much-needed attention. You can read all about the project, and view a week-by-week gallery of photos on the project, at the following link:

http://www.wilkes.edu/pages/3797.asp

One of the things that makes me proud about this project is that the university as a whole is recognizing the tremendous contributions made to the school by the athletic program, and that the field renovations follow several years of outstanding facilities renovations and acquisitions on the banks of the Susquehanna. From the time of my arrival at Wilkes in August of 2004, to the time of my graduation in May of 2008, the university acquired several buildings that added to the school's physical footprint, and also placed new priority on "green" technology that has been evident all throughout campus. Some of those renovations were  smaller in nature, while others were on a very large scale. But all were important, needed, and quite impressive.

As for the product that the Colonels will put on the field this year, I have little info to build on. In terms of graduation losses, Wilkes will be breaking in a new starting QB, and will also need to replace several key performers in the secondary. But some skilled players look set to return, and if the new QB can pick up the offense at a reasonable level, I have no doubt that Coach Shep can keep the team competitive and then some. If you look at last season, no doubt many observers were writing the Colonels off for a 2-8 or 1-9 year. Well, it is true that Wilkes got trounced by the two best MAC teams. But the Colonels also finished with a winning record, which included handing Montclair State their only loss of the regular season. Not bad for a team many had dismissed before the first whistle.......

This season marks the senior season for the guys who were freshman during my last year with the team...here's hoping it will be a memorable one at the newly-renovated Ralston Field :)



Hey easy on handling Montclair State comment.  ;D

Just kidding. I hope all is well with you. Good luck to Wilkes this year. You guys have given us too many headaches. I've become a Grandpa and it's really special. Again good luck to you guys this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 30, 2010, 07:38:21 AM
Quote from: bman on July 29, 2010, 04:45:50 PM

EDIT: btw was down at widener for my kid's track meet a few weeks ago. That campus is getting huge. Cant believe how big a footprint they have now and how many buildings on that campus. They have grown a lot since pbr was there last

It's from the football stadium revenue  ;D
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of course you still have to wear a bullet proof vest when walking around campus since chester is such a lovely town but the revenue from the stadium makes them readily available all over campus... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 30, 2010, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: poster formerly known as upbrmeasap on July 30, 2010, 07:38:21 AM
Quote from: bman on July 29, 2010, 04:45:50 PM

EDIT: btw was down at widener for my kid's track meet a few weeks ago. That campus is getting huge. Cant believe how big a footprint they have now and how many buildings on that campus. They have grown a lot since pbr was there last

It's from the football stadium revenue  ;D

of course you still have to wear a bullet proof vest when walking around campus since chester is such a lovely town but the revenue from the stadium makes them readily available all over campus... ;D
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Serpentine....Serpentine
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 30, 2010, 10:16:30 PM
QuoteSo what you are saying Gordon, is that Del Val, would rather have it's students and fans subjected to the safety risks inherent in buildings with pre-modern safety standards,  than spending the needed dollars on the corrections?

That's not at all what I'm saying.  There's a difference between safety standards and accessibility issues.  We enter buildings all the time that were built before modern building codes were established. We don't demolish every existing building every time building codes are changed.  We also don't go back and renovate every building to match the new code.

As for Del Val, I'm not intimately familiar with their finances.  But my perception is that the school has made investments in facilities and programs that directly generate more money through expanded enrollment.  

QuoteAnd yes, I know its financially related, but Del Val has built a few buildings in the past 10 years, so they are not hurting for money.

Albright's endowment as of 2009 was $38.0 million, a 25% drop from $50.9 million in 2008.  Del Val's was $14.6 million in 2009, a 21.1 percent drop from 2008.  That gives you a sense of their different financial capacities.

And for the fun of it...

Lebanon Valley - $39.2 million in 2009
King's - $44.2 million in 2009
Wilkes - $44.6 million (2008, likely considerably lower now)
Widener - $58.2 million in 2009
Mount Union - $97.7 million in 2009
Lycoming - $102.4 million in 2009

The number I found for FDU is $20 million, but I don't know if or how that's allocated across the different campuses.

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research/2009_NCSE_Public_Tables_Endowment_Market_Values.pdf

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 30, 2010, 11:08:30 PM
All in fun Gordon...thought that would get your "Goat"...

looking forward to this season more and more with the new WU coach...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 30, 2010, 11:25:41 PM
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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 01, 2010, 08:42:22 AM
Gordon,

I appreciate your listing the link to the endowment figures.

Lycoming's 2008 total was $132+ million with a decrease of about 23% for 2009.

Endowment's are similar to personal investments with ups and downs.  The point:  it is quite possible Lycoming will see a rebound on its paper, as will other schools, over the long run if they continue to hold and not sell.  As a personal note - one of my funds' is almost back to where it was before it tanked in Sep 2008.

The really important concept is that higher education is facility-intensive, white-collar labor intensive, and energy intensive.  These three pressures, combined with inflation force schools to make tough choices regarding athletics and the delivery of education - fewer tenured track professors, for instance.

College survival is not a guarantee - anyone remember Upsala?  Endowments will continue to support and reflect the well-being of institutions for the foreseeable future.

If you care about your alma mater - give to its endowment.

Not a football chat, admittedly, but no bucks - no Buck Rogers.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 01, 2010, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 01, 2010, 08:42:22 AM
Gordon,

I appreciate your listing the link to the endowment figures.

Lycoming's 2008 total was $132+ million with a decrease of about 23% for 2009.

Endowment's are similar to personal investments with ups and downs.  The point:  it is quite possible Lycoming will see a rebound on its paper, as will other schools, over the long run if they continue to hold and not sell.  As a personal note - one of my funds' is almost back to where it was before it tanked in Sep 2008.

The really important concept is that higher education is facility-intensive, white-collar labor intensive, and energy intensive.  These three pressures, combined with inflation force schools to make tough choices regarding athletics and the delivery of education - fewer tenured track professors, for instance.

College survival is not a guarantee - anyone remember Upsala?  Endowments will continue to support and reflect the well-being of institutions for the foreseeable future.

If you care about your alma mater - give to its endowment.

Not a football chat, admittedly, but no bucks - no Buck Rogers.

ATB

very true statement indeed...pbr thinks this is part of the reason dvc is going to a university status from a college....in fact they considered even renaming the school since in a survey people thought it was in the state of delaware.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 01, 2010, 07:34:58 PM
I hear Western Maryland is open again.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 02, 2010, 12:01:50 PM
I remember Upsala!   Although I do remember being frightened there....

In the late 80s they had a kicker (I think his name was Popadopolous)..who was kicking 60yd field goals in warm ups (we were mesmerized)...but then missed 30 yarders is the game...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on August 02, 2010, 02:29:04 PM
Pep remembers the Saxons playing Upsala in the 1960s...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3FBFan55 on August 02, 2010, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: poster formerly known as upbrmeasap on August 01, 2010, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 01, 2010, 08:42:22 AM
Gordon,

I appreciate your listing the link to the endowment figures.

Lycoming's 2008 total was $132+ million with a decrease of about 23% for 2009.

Endowment's are similar to personal investments with ups and downs.  The point:  it is quite possible Lycoming will see a rebound on its paper, as will other schools, over the long run if they continue to hold and not sell.  As a personal note - one of my funds' is almost back to where it was before it tanked in Sep 2008.

The really important concept is that higher education is facility-intensive, white-collar labor intensive, and energy intensive.  These three pressures, combined with inflation force schools to make tough choices regarding athletics and the delivery of education - fewer tenured track professors, for instance.

College survival is not a guarantee - anyone remember Upsala?  Endowments will continue to support and reflect the well-being of institutions for the foreseeable future.

If you care about your alma mater - give to its endowment.

Not a football chat, admittedly, but no bucks - no Buck Rogers.

ATB

very true statement indeed...pbr thinks this is part of the reason dvc is going to a university status from a college....in fact they considered even renaming the school since in a survey people thought it was in the state of delaware.
Del Val is trying to go to University status because it has zero name recognition.  Some people think its in Delaware, some think its a junior college or a community college.  Now 10 years later then they should have, they finally get the ball rolling.......and continue to ask for money!!!

Gordon, I looked up the numbers of the endowment as well and was surprised at how low Del Val's was compared to other MASC schools.  Especially considering their tuition is $39,810 a year.

What a great business to be in....the economy tanked, and colleges continue to raise tuition and fees.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 02, 2010, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: D3FBFan55 on August 02, 2010, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: poster formerly known as upbrmeasap on August 01, 2010, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 01, 2010, 08:42:22 AM
Gordon,

I appreciate your listing the link to the endowment figures.

Lycoming's 2008 total was $132+ million with a decrease of about 23% for 2009.

Endowment's are similar to personal investments with ups and downs.  The point:  it is quite possible Lycoming will see a rebound on its paper, as will other schools, over the long run if they continue to hold and not sell.  As a personal note - one of my funds' is almost back to where it was before it tanked in Sep 2008.

The really important concept is that higher education is facility-intensive, white-collar labor intensive, and energy intensive.  These three pressures, combined with inflation force schools to make tough choices regarding athletics and the delivery of education - fewer tenured track professors, for instance.

College survival is not a guarantee - anyone remember Upsala?  Endowments will continue to support and reflect the well-being of institutions for the foreseeable future.

If you care about your alma mater - give to its endowment.

Not a football chat, admittedly, but no bucks - no Buck Rogers.

ATB

very true statement indeed...pbr thinks this is part of the reason dvc is going to a university status from a college....in fact they considered even renaming the school since in a survey people thought it was in the state of delaware.
Del Val is trying to go to University status because it has zero name recognition.  Some people think its in Delaware, some think its a junior college or a community college.  Now 10 years later then they should have, they finally get the ball rolling.......and continue to ask for money!!!

Gordon, I looked up the numbers of the endowment as well and was surprised at how low Del Val's was compared to other MASC schools.  Especially considering their tuition is $39,810 a year.

What a great business to be in....the economy tanked, and colleges continue to raise tuition and fees.

not really but if that is why you think they are switching than by all means have at it...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 02, 2010, 07:28:21 PM
Lots of schools are changing to University status.  In the past couple of years, Alvernia, Neumann and some school in Ohio called Mount Union have become Universities.  That gives rise to one of my favorite posts where someone suggests Mount Union University play the College of Wooster in the fabled MUU-COW match up. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on August 02, 2010, 08:03:39 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 02, 2010, 07:28:21 PM
Lots of schools are changing to University status.  In the past couple of years, Alvernia, Neumann and some school in Ohio called Mount Union have become Universities.  That gives rise to one of my favorite posts where someone suggests Mount Union University play the College of Wooster in the fabled MUU-COW match up. :)

There isn't really a huge difference is there?  I mean, you can just add one large program and call your school whatever you want.  Might cost more just to change the name on everything.  I mean, if you have never heard of Deleware Valley College or Ithaca College, you probably aren't going to hear of Deleware Valley University or Ithaca University either.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on August 03, 2010, 11:48:37 AM
How about SU; Shocktown University:

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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on August 03, 2010, 11:59:47 AM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on August 02, 2010, 08:03:39 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 02, 2010, 07:28:21 PM
Lots of schools are changing to University status.  In the past couple of years, Alvernia, Neumann and some school in Ohio called Mount Union have become Universities.  That gives rise to one of my favorite posts where someone suggests Mount Union University play the College of Wooster in the fabled MUU-COW match up. :)

There isn't really a huge difference is there?  I mean, you can just add one large program and call your school whatever you want.  Might cost more just to change the name on everything.  I mean, if you have never heard of Deleware Valley College or Ithaca College, you probably aren't going to hear of Deleware Valley University or Ithaca University either.

Some of the very old periodicals that Pep has the privilege of moving around in the library at Alfred University actually are labeled "Alfred College" which, in Alfred, could cause some confusion, given there are actually FOUR colleges that function in this narrow valley.  Anyone today calling Alfred State College "Alfred Tech" receives glares from ASC folks. Not sure why...it works for Georgia Tech. It seems to Pep that no matter what you call yourself, there will always be folks who:
a) have never heard of you
b) heard of you but thought you were something that you actually may not be
c) confuse you with a similarly-named institution
d) don't give a hoot

TRIVIA TIME: Pep will give +K to the first poster who can name the FOUR colleges that function in this place called Alfred, New York.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SJFF82 on August 03, 2010, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on August 03, 2010, 11:59:47 AM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on August 02, 2010, 08:03:39 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 02, 2010, 07:28:21 PM
Lots of schools are changing to University status.  In the past couple of years, Alvernia, Neumann and some school in Ohio called Mount Union have become Universities.  That gives rise to one of my favorite posts where someone suggests Mount Union University play the College of Wooster in the fabled MUU-COW match up. :)

There isn't really a huge difference is there?  I mean, you can just add one large program and call your school whatever you want.  Might cost more just to change the name on everything.  I mean, if you have never heard of Deleware Valley College or Ithaca College, you probably aren't going to hear of Deleware Valley University or Ithaca University either.

Some of the very old periodicals that Pep has the privilege of moving around in the library at Alfred University actually are labeled "Alfred College" which, in Alfred, could cause some confusion, given there are actually FOUR colleges that function in this narrow valley.  Anyone today calling Alfred State College "Alfred Tech" receives glares from ASC folks. Not sure why...it works for Georgia Tech. It seems to Pep that no matter what you call yourself, there will always be folks who:
a) have never heard of you
b) heard of you but thought you were something that you actually may not be
c) confuse you with a similarly-named institution
d) don't give a hoot

TRIVIA TIME: Pep will give +K to the first poster who can name the FOUR colleges that function in this place called Alfred, New York.

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Alfred State College
Empire State College at Alfred State
Alfred University
NYS College of Ceramics


....sure do need that K
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SJFF82 on August 03, 2010, 01:28:54 PM
82 will return the K to the first poster who can name the only 4 colleges to beat SJF twice since 2004.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lvcsid on August 03, 2010, 01:42:11 PM
The MAC preseason poll has been released:

MAC Preseason Coaches' Poll
1.    Delaware Valley College    47 (6)
2.    Lebanon Valley College    41 (2)
3.    Albright College       37
4t.    Wilkes University       27
4t.    Lycoming College       27
6.    Widener University       24
7.    FDU-Florham          11
8.    King's College          10
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 03, 2010, 04:12:13 PM
This could be a year where everyone beats up on one another leaving the winner of the conference 6-4 or something close to that W-L record. 

The MAC is always a tough place but does not always travel well either outside the conference or in the NCAA.

The powerhouses of D-III, over the last ten years, seem to be a wee-bit more sophisticated with their play calling, passing and execution.

We certainly got spoiled by those incredible Warrior teams of the mid to late 1990s.

The Sine curve of life once again over took us and we found ourselves overcome by events - at least that's what she said.

Here's to a great season for all competitors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on August 04, 2010, 08:38:10 AM
Quote from: SJFF82 on August 03, 2010, 01:28:54 PM
82 will return the K to the first poster who can name the only 4 colleges to beat SJF twice since 2004.
Alfred (3 times)
Mt. Union (3 times)
Hartwick (twice)
Salisbury Steak (twice)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SJFF82 on August 04, 2010, 12:48:00 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on August 04, 2010, 08:38:10 AM
Quote from: SJFF82 on August 03, 2010, 01:28:54 PM
82 will return the K to the first poster who can name the only 4 colleges to beat SJF twice since 2004.
Alfred (3 times)
Mt. Union (3 times)
Hartwick (twice)
Salisbury Steak (twice)


+k...although MUC beat them 4x (but that wasnt the question).  2X in NCAA and the home and home.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on August 05, 2010, 07:28:24 PM
  Lanes is feeling a bit foreign to all of these "new" schools nowadays.  Back in the day the fomidables were the Susquies, Moravians, played some Bridgewater VA, Juniatta, Of course Lyco, DV and Widdie, and now to have to get to know the Alfreds, Jersey schools, Ohio Junior D1 schools and the like is like the world getting smaller.  I liked when The Mac was a PA league, played mostly in PA, and the rivalry seemed deeper and closer to the vest.

Brainstorming to the max after work, but does anyone remember the Kick returner/Tailback from Western Maryland back in 91/92.  The guy was hands down the fastest thing I ever failed to tackle. 

Memories, from the corner of my mind...

Oh, and yes, Del Vally could at least toss up a few more visitors bleachers.  It does not take that much or a complete master plan.


Hope everyone is well and looking forward.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on August 06, 2010, 11:05:19 PM
Pep is both eager and anxious (in the true sense of the word...worried) about Alfred's opener with the MAC's premier program from Widener. Pep understands that the Pride is coming off an uncharacteristic 3-7 season but with a first-year coach of Isaac Collins' caliber, Pep expects the Pride will field a very tough defensive unit and in 2010 will only improve with the maturing of returning starting QB Chris Haupt, should he continue as the starter.

Collins' accomplishments with the defense at The Citadel is remarkable. Collins is familiar with Alfred as he was a defensive coach at Hobart from 1994-1998, serving as defensive coordinator in 1998. It was during Collins' stint with the Statesmen that a porous Hobart defense was turned around and helped Hobart begin to dominate the Statesmen-Saxon series.

Given AU's so-so performance against MAC opponents of late (21-14 and 33-28 wins over MAC doormat FDU-Florham in 2008 and 2009, respectively, a 35-25 NCAA playoff loss to Albright), the Saxons will have their hands full with Widener.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 07, 2010, 12:30:30 PM
You may not have caught this item on the front page, but there was big news for the MAC yesterday.

Stevenson (Md.) will join the conference as an associate member next year (http://d3football.com/notables/2010/08/06/1874/stevenson-to-debut-in-mac.html) when they begin varsity football in 2011.  Previously known as Villa Julie, Stevenson plays in the Capital Athletic Conference in most sports.  One MAC coach told me he thought the Mustangs would be a contender relatively quickly given their location and commitment to athletics evidenced by their facility construction.

This also has a big impact on likely conference shifts on the east coast.  There was some thought that Stevenson starting a football program would give the CAC a chance to draw the schools together who are members in other sports for a new football conference.  Other members would be Frostburg State, Salisbury and Wesley.  They'd still need a couple associates to fill out the schedule.  Gallaudet, which recently left the CAC but is geographically close in Washington DC, would have been a natural prospect.  Newport News, which isn't in the NCAA and wouldn't help the conference get an AQ, has played with these teams in the ACFC and would have helped fill the schedule.  That would have made scheduling much easier for one member (Wesley) and cut down on travel for the others.  Salisbury and Frostburg State are associate members of the New York-based Empire 8 starting in 2011 and Gallaudet plays in the Maine-based East Coast Football Conference.  Now those teams may be less likely to leave their current arrangements.  The team that this hurts the most is Wesley.  Maybe Stevenson plays them and maybe not.  But, even if Wesley picks up that game, the Wolverines are becoming increasingly isolated.

I've had some interaction with Stevenson, mostly with AD and Men's Basketball Coach Brett Adams who has been a great friend to D3hoops.com.  It's great to have them in the conference and I look forward to fall trips to their scenic location.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2010, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: D3FBFan55 on August 02, 2010, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: poster formerly known as upbrmeasap on August 01, 2010, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 01, 2010, 08:42:22 AM
Gordon,

I appreciate your listing the link to the endowment figures.

Lycoming's 2008 total was $132+ million with a decrease of about 23% for 2009.

Endowment's are similar to personal investments with ups and downs.  The point:  it is quite possible Lycoming will see a rebound on its paper, as will other schools, over the long run if they continue to hold and not sell.  As a personal note - one of my funds' is almost back to where it was before it tanked in Sep 2008.

The really important concept is that higher education is facility-intensive, white-collar labor intensive, and energy intensive.  These three pressures, combined with inflation force schools to make tough choices regarding athletics and the delivery of education - fewer tenured track professors, for instance.

College survival is not a guarantee - anyone remember Upsala?  Endowments will continue to support and reflect the well-being of institutions for the foreseeable future.

If you care about your alma mater - give to its endowment.

Not a football chat, admittedly, but no bucks - no Buck Rogers.

ATB

very true statement indeed...pbr thinks this is part of the reason dvc is going to a university status from a college....in fact they considered even renaming the school since in a survey people thought it was in the state of delaware.
Del Val is trying to go to University status because it has zero name recognition.  Some people think its in Delaware, some think its a junior college or a community college.  Now 10 years later then they should have, they finally get the ball rolling.......and continue to ask for money!!!

Gordon, I looked up the numbers of the endowment as well and was surprised at how low Del Val's was compared to other MASC schools.  Especially considering their tuition is $39,810 a year.

What a great business to be in....the economy tanked, and colleges continue to raise tuition and fees.

D3fbfan55: Changing your email address to a fake one will not let you access the board. The Terms of Service are clear -- you must have a valid email address displayed on your profile.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on August 08, 2010, 08:44:02 PM
 Coach Ed Hottle coached at Wesley and my understanding was that once Stevenson started football all CAC teams would play each other. That would leave them with only 2 open dates though..l
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 10, 2010, 08:38:29 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 03, 2010, 04:12:13 PM
This could be a year where everyone beats up on one another leaving the winner of the conference 6-4 or something close to that W-L record. 

The MAC is always a tough place but does not always travel well either outside the conference or in the NCAA.

The powerhouses of D-III, over the last ten years, seem to be a wee-bit more sophisticated with their play calling, passing and execution.

We certainly got spoiled by those incredible Warrior teams of the mid to late 1990s.

The Sine curve of life once again over took us and we found ourselves overcome by events - at least that's what she said.

Here's to a great season for all competitors!

ATB

could be but pbr cant see dvc or lvc w/ 4 losses...1 of them is getting thru with 1 loss in conference. dvc has a fairly tough OOC schedule so they may get dinged somewhere there as well, but 1 of the conference favorites imho gets thru pretty clean record wise. PBR is very much looking towards a night game season opener between muhlenberg and dvc. should be a good game and fun to take in a night game on the d3 level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on August 10, 2010, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: pbr straight up... on August 10, 2010, 08:38:29 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 03, 2010, 04:12:13 PM
This could be a year where everyone beats up on one another leaving the winner of the conference 6-4 or something close to that W-L record. 

The MAC is always a tough place but does not always travel well either outside the conference or in the NCAA.

The powerhouses of D-III, over the last ten years, seem to be a wee-bit more sophisticated with their play calling, passing and execution.

We certainly got spoiled by those incredible Warrior teams of the mid to late 1990s.

The Sine curve of life once again over took us and we found ourselves overcome by events - at least that's what she said.

Here's to a great season for all competitors!

ATB

could be but pbr cant see dvc or lvc w/ 4 losses...1 of them is getting thru with 1 loss in conference. dvc has a fairly tough OOC schedule so they may get dinged somewhere there as well, but 1 of the conference favorites imho gets thru pretty clean record wise. PBR is very much looking towards a night game season opener between muhlenberg and dvc. should be a good game and fun to take in a night game on the d3 level.

Pep is wondering where PBR sees Widener finishiing in the MAC in 2010. That 3-7 season appears to Pep to be a fluke.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 10, 2010, 09:44:46 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on August 10, 2010, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: pbr straight up... on August 10, 2010, 08:38:29 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on August 03, 2010, 04:12:13 PM
This could be a year where everyone beats up on one another leaving the winner of the conference 6-4 or something close to that W-L record. 

The MAC is always a tough place but does not always travel well either outside the conference or in the NCAA.

The powerhouses of D-III, over the last ten years, seem to be a wee-bit more sophisticated with their play calling, passing and execution.

We certainly got spoiled by those incredible Warrior teams of the mid to late 1990s.

The Sine curve of life once again over took us and we found ourselves overcome by events - at least that's what she said.

Here's to a great season for all competitors!

ATB

could be but pbr cant see dvc or lvc w/ 4 losses...1 of them is getting thru with 1 loss in conference. dvc has a fairly tough OOC schedule so they may get dinged somewhere there as well, but 1 of the conference favorites imho gets thru pretty clean record wise. PBR is very much looking towards a night game season opener between muhlenberg and dvc. should be a good game and fun to take in a night game on the d3 level.

Pep is wondering where PBR sees Widener finishiing in the MAC in 2010. That 3-7 season appears to Pep to be a fluke.


In the middle of the conference would be the pre-season guess...new coach and need to replace some players and get players that fit his system. sometimes a new coach pulls surprises in that no one has seen their offense/defense tendencies yet so they pull off some surprising wins. But pbr doesnt see them getting past dvc and lvc. Probably finishing behind Albright and fighting w/ lyco and wilkes for 4th spot in the mac.....just a guess so dont shoot pbr you widener fans!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on August 10, 2010, 05:37:11 PM
Can't quite figure out who wrote the Del Val tuition quote, but according to the new Princeton Review, the Delaware Valley College tuition is $27,234.00.  That's not exactly what the quote stated.  Huge difference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 10, 2010, 07:29:11 PM
Quote from: kate on August 10, 2010, 05:37:11 PM
Can't quite figure out who wrote the Del Val tuition quote, but according to the new Princeton Review, the Delaware Valley College tuition is $27,234.00.  That's not exactly what the quote stated.  Huge difference.

think he misspoke and meant tuition/board/books/etc....was 39K....but then again that person hasnt been spot on in a point yet so who knows...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on August 10, 2010, 08:49:56 PM
Alfred will scrimmage Susquehanna at 7:30 p.m. Friday, August 27 (Lord willing, the grass "grows" and the creek don't rise). Pep remembers that in the past, AU has scrimmaged Cortland State and, years ago, Lycoming, quite regularly. This will be the second straight scrimmage with Susquehanna. A few years back, AU met Muhlenberg "half-way" in Binghamton.

Ithaca traditionally scrimmages Cornell....Pep saw that Widener has scrimmaged Penn in the past. Does that still happen, and if so, where and when do they meet? Pep would love to see his Saxons go up against an Ivy school but doesn't see that happening anytime soon. Forget the ivy, Pep would be happy if some grass would grow on that paved parking lot that they're calling Merrill Field.  ;)



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3Observer55 on August 10, 2010, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: pbr straight up... on August 10, 2010, 07:29:11 PM
Quote from: kate on August 10, 2010, 05:37:11 PM
Can't quite figure out who wrote the Del Val tuition quote, but according to the new Princeton Review, the Delaware Valley College tuition is $27,234.00.  That's not exactly what the quote stated.  Huge difference.

think he misspoke and meant tuition/board/books/etc....was 39K....but then again that person hasnt been spot on in a point yet so who knows...
Exactly what I meant.  After you add up tuition, room and board, fees, you are looking at almost 40K.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 11, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
AU:

I'm not sure of the date for Widener/Penn but they normally play each other at Penn's historic Franklin Field.  It's a great old stadium - one of the oldest in the country - though it looks kind of funny with no one in the stands.  I watched some of the scrimmage a couple years ago when I was a grad student at Penn.

Gordon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on August 11, 2010, 03:16:30 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on August 10, 2010, 08:49:56 PM
Alfred will scrimmage Susquehanna at 7:30 p.m. Friday, August 27 (Lord willing, the grass "grows" and the creek don't rise). Pep remembers that in the past, AU has scrimmaged Cortland State and, years ago, Lycoming, quite regularly. This will be the second straight scrimmage with Susquehanna. A few years back, AU met Muhlenberg "half-way" in Binghamton.

Ithaca traditionally scrimmages Cornell....Pep saw that Widener has scrimmaged Penn in the past. Does that still happen, and if so, where and when do they meet? Pep would love to see his Saxons go up against an Ivy school but doesn't see that happening anytime soon. Forget the ivy, Pep would be happy if some grass would grow on that paved parking lot that they're calling Merrill Field.  ;)





Union usually scrimmages Yale. He loves the step up in competition but all to often some major injuries have come from that scrimmage. It's a slippery slope.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on August 11, 2010, 06:59:00 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 11, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
AU:

I'm not sure of the date for Widener/Penn but they normally play each other at Penn's historic Franklin Field.  It's a great old stadium - one of the oldest in the country - though it looks kind of funny with no one in the stands.  I watched some of the scrimmage a couple years ago when I was a grad student at Penn.

Gordon

Does it look something like this?

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi86.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk85%2FAUPepBand%2FFranklinFieldUpdate-960x720.jpg&hash=8a33f795374a9159e7f90ec41705f28d1337bb51)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 11, 2010, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: AUPepBand on August 11, 2010, 06:59:00 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 11, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
AU:

I'm not sure of the date for Widener/Penn but they normally play each other at Penn's historic Franklin Field.  It's a great old stadium - one of the oldest in the country - though it looks kind of funny with no one in the stands.  I watched some of the scrimmage a couple years ago when I was a grad student at Penn.

Gordon

Does it look something like this?

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi86.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk85%2FAUPepBand%2FFranklinFieldUpdate-960x720.jpg&hash=8a33f795374a9159e7f90ec41705f28d1337bb51)


as someone who ran in the penn relays pbr can confirm this is franklin field...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wupride on August 13, 2010, 07:23:53 PM
Hello All, first time poster..looking forward to the season starting!  Can't wait for September 4th and the opener at Alfred.  I have heard that Widener will not be scrimmaging Penn.  Any idea on who and when?  I am assuming it is around the weekend of August 27th or 28th.  I would like to attend and see what the new regime has planned at Widener!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on August 14, 2010, 12:58:11 AM
Quote from: wupride on August 13, 2010, 07:23:53 PM
Hello All, first time poster..looking forward to the season starting!  Can't wait for September 4th and the opener at Alfred.  I have heard that Widener will not be scrimmaging Penn.  Any idea on who and when?  I am assuming it is around the weekend of August 27th or 28th.  I would like to attend and see what the new regime has planned at Widener!

Welcome aboard, WU! Are you making the trip to Alfred? Right now, the only seats at Merrill Field are for the visitors. If you've never been to Merrill Field before, aside from a light pole at the 50-yard-line, the visitors' bleachers are built into the hill and give spectators an outstanding view of the action.

Meanwhile, on the "home side," the grandstand is beginning to take shape with a prefab press box waiting in the wings to be lifted to its rightful spot hanging over Kanakadea Creek.

Should you make the trip, WU, please be sure to touch base with the AU Pep Band....Pep is the peppiest one...and only one with gray hair!

Also, Pep is curious who Widener will scrimmage if not Penn.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 14, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
My confirmation is added to previous post - Franklin Field indeed - as a boy I watched the Eagles play there before the Vet was built and while in high school played a soccer game on the pitch too.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on August 19, 2010, 06:45:21 AM
Del Val has their roster up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 19, 2010, 07:26:00 AM
Quote from: kate on August 19, 2010, 06:45:21 AM
Del Val has their roster up.

whew...just a boatload of freshmen
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 23, 2010, 07:02:31 PM
had to post this....

Down at the Outer Banks with the fam last week.   As I am sitting on the beach, a guy my age walks by with his family, and he's sporting a Lycoming lacrosse T shirt...as he passes, I look up and say "Dude, Lyco sucks"...and without missing a stride, he looks at me, and replies "You must have went to Widener"...

We both laugh, and he goes on by...never saw him again...

classic...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on August 23, 2010, 07:46:35 PM
Quote from: bman on August 23, 2010, 07:02:31 PM
had to post this....

Down at the Outer Banks with the fam last week.   As I am sitting on the beach, a guy my age walks by with his family, and he's sporting a Lycoming lacrosse T shirt...as he passes, I look up and say "Dude, Lyco sucks"...and without missing a stride, he looks at me, and replies "You must have went to Widener"...

We both laugh, and he goes on by...never saw him again...

classic...

Bman: You coming to Alfred for the season opener? AU hosts Susquehanna for a 7:30 p.m. kickoff (scrimmage) Friday. Pep can't wait. Who is Widener scrimmaging?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 24, 2010, 06:16:38 AM
Ah the witty banter that roils within the competitive juices of all MAC student-athletes.  Amusing anecdote bman +k

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on August 26, 2010, 03:40:18 PM
Do any of you guys here on the MAC board want to participate in the East Region fan poll as a voter?  It would be great to have a MAC rep.

Ping AUKaz00 (see the related thread) if you want to sign up!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on August 27, 2010, 11:31:11 AM
Quote from: bman on August 23, 2010, 07:02:31 PM
had to post this....

Down at the Outer Banks with the fam last week.   As I am sitting on the beach, a guy my age walks by with his family, and he's sporting a Lycoming lacrosse T shirt...as he passes, I look up and say "Dude, Lyco sucks"...and without missing a stride, he looks at me, and replies "You must have went to Widener"...

We both laugh, and he goes on by...never saw him again...

classic...

Way to go Bman.  Show those dirty, cheatin, farm animal lovin, Lyco boys who's the boss. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 28, 2010, 09:22:45 AM
Pep

Definitely not going to be able to make it...looks like week 3 will be the first chance I get to see the WU this year...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 28, 2010, 09:23:24 AM
Pep

Also not sure on the scrimmages.  Formerwu?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 30, 2010, 12:36:49 PM
good article on kyle gesswein lb for dvc

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2010/august/29/gessweins-patience-pays-off.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 30, 2010, 11:27:51 PM
Geez, can it be that time again already?  Time to hawk the Del Val broadcasts on this message board?  I guess so.  Saturday night is alright for football (hopefully not fighting) as the Aggies visit Muhlenberg under the lights in Allentown at 7 pm ET.

Delaware Valley
vs.
Muhlenberg

To listen to the game from your camper as you soak in the last moments of the summer, click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx).

Pregame starts at 6:40 pm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 31, 2010, 08:57:08 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 30, 2010, 11:27:51 PM
Geez, can it be that time again already?  Time to hawk the Del Val broadcasts on this message board?  I guess so.  Saturday night is alright for football (hopefully not fighting) as the Aggies visit Muhlenberg under the lights in Allentown at 7 pm ET.

Delaware Valley
vs.
Muhlenberg

To listen to the game from your camper as you soak in the last moments of the summer, click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx).

Pregame starts at 6:40 pm.

its fantastic...cant believe feetsball season is here already...gordon if pbr can make it up sat. night will swing by and give you a hollah...will be at a pool party in coopersburg off of rt. 309 so muhlenberg will only be ~15-20 mins away
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on August 31, 2010, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 30, 2010, 11:27:51 PM
Geez, can it be that time again already?  Time to hawk the Del Val broadcasts on this message board?  I guess so.  Saturday night is alright for football (hopefully not fighting) as the Aggies visit Muhlenberg under the lights in Allentown at 7 pm ET.

Delaware Valley
vs.
Muhlenberg

To listen to the game from your camper as you soak in the last moments of the summer, click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx).

Pregame starts at 6:40 pm.

Hi Gordon - Looking forward to your call on Saturday (assuming I can sneak away from the kids, etc. for a few minutes).

A colleague of mine from the office has a son who's suiting up for the Mules at (back-up) ILB and may see some action on special teams.  He'll be easy to pick out from the roster given I am pretty sure he's the only kid from CA ;)

Either way, good luck to both teams.  Hope to chat with you on ITH later in the season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 31, 2010, 11:57:16 PM
Sounds good, TGP.

Look forward to meeting you if you can make it, PBR.  Look for the pale, skinny balding guy (though I may obscure the last part with a Detroit Tigers hat).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 01, 2010, 10:06:25 AM
Quote from: TGP on August 31, 2010, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 30, 2010, 11:27:51 PM
Geez, can it be that time again already?  Time to hawk the Del Val broadcasts on this message board?  I guess so.  Saturday night is alright for football (hopefully not fighting) as the Aggies visit Muhlenberg under the lights in Allentown at 7 pm ET.

Delaware Valley
vs.
Muhlenberg

To listen to the game from your camper as you soak in the last moments of the summer, click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx).

Pregame starts at 6:40 pm.

Hi Gordon - Looking forward to your call on Saturday (assuming I can sneak away from the kids, etc. for a few minutes).

A colleague of mine from the office has a son who's suiting up for the Mules at (back-up) ILB and may see some action on special teams.  He'll be easy to pick out from the roster given I am pretty sure he's the only kid from CA ;)

Either way, good luck to both teams.  Hope to chat with you on ITH later in the season!


absolutely gordon needs to be back on ITH....he is a great resource and has his finger on the pulse of the MAC. DVC is very lucky to have Gordon call the games. If anyone hasnt heard Gordon call a game, take a listen he is very good calling a game and painting a picture of the action on the field. (gordon please make the check payable to cash when you drop it in the mail)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2010, 05:45:47 PM
Thanks.  It's on the way. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 02, 2010, 01:05:26 PM
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Hi everyone, it's time for the NJAC 2010 Pick-E'm to begin. Keep im mind you will make (2) picks for each game. (1) straight-up and (1) with the spread. At the end of the year we will have a Champ with the spread, one straight-up and overall. There is a Friday game this week. Get your picks in before 7:00PM. If you miss the Friday game you can still participate in the Sat games. Pick must be in before the start of the first game. OK, here we go :

Morrisville (+10.5)  vs  Hartwick
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Willy P     (+3.5)      @  TCNJ
Rowan    (-3.5)       vs  Lycoming
Del Val    (-14.5)     @  Mules
Wesley   (-17.5)     @  CNN
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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: has been on September 03, 2010, 07:42:43 AM
LANES,
I was browsing the MAC board and the 91-92 WM tailback/kick returner that you remember was Rob Johnson ('93).  He played two years at wing back waiting for the WM career leading rusher (Eric Frees, 5281 yards) to graduate.  Rob was the 1993 Centennial indoor track champion at 55meters and 200 meters but was injured (pulled hamstring) for the outdoor championships.  Johnson & Frees in the same backfield together for two years was fun to watch. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 03, 2010, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: bman on August 28, 2010, 09:22:45 AM
Pep

Definitely not going to be able to make it...looks like week 3 will be the first chance I get to see the WU this year...

Pep was bouncing around town at noontime and caught the AU SID setting up for the webcast. Hope you can at least watch it online. Bob Codispoti, the voice of the Saxons with WLEA-AM 1480 in Hornell will provide audio for the webcast.

Best of luck and safe travels to the Pride....

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 04, 2010, 06:17:20 PM
Programming note...

The Delaware Valley-Muhlenberg broadcast will be heard at this new link (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-muhlenberg).  We now return you to your regularly scheduled holiday weekend.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on September 04, 2010, 07:58:06 PM
Sounds good as always Gordo...interesting how the LVC and SUS didn't fare so well vs. the CC this weekend.  Not that I should talk, the LL was 1 second away from going 0 for 3...

14-0 DVC and still driving - sounds like the Aggies are well in control of this one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 04, 2010, 09:28:58 PM
Quote from: TGP on September 04, 2010, 07:58:06 PM
Sounds good as always Gordo...interesting how the LVC and SUS didn't fare so well vs. the CC this weekend.  Not that I should talk, the LL was 1 second away from going 0 for 3...

14-0 DVC and still driving - sounds like the Aggies are well in control of this one.

dlip quite surprised by the LV result. Anyone have more specifics regarding that game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 04, 2010, 10:12:20 PM
Yeah, I'm very surprised by that Leb Val-Gettysburg result.

LVC trailed 21-0 and came back to tie the score but Gettysburg scored twice in 43 seconds to pull away.  The Bullets, who are traditionally run heavy and had a potent offense last year, finished with 488 yards including 374 on the ground.  Forcing 5 turnovers didn't hurt Gettysburg either.

Rough weekend for the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 05, 2010, 07:19:41 PM
Concur with previous posts about the results this weekend for the MAC.

On a slightly different note, I am proud of the Lycoming program for scheduling Rowan as the first game out of the gate - tough assignment.  Many programs prefer to bring in a "tune-up" team a la the movie "The Longest Yard" the real one with Burt Reynolds not that clown of a poser athlete Adam Sandler.

Rowan can never be confused with a "tune-up" team and to lose to them away by only one score says good things about the Warriors.

It will be interesting to see how they fair against IC assuming they can handle Westminster - which is not something anyone should ever do.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 05, 2010, 10:05:37 PM
Nice win by the Aggies last night...a bit undisciplined at times, but hopefully that was some youthful exuberance and excitement of getting the season started and will be resolved quickly.

It's a bit disconcerting to see all the other MAC teams lose this week.

Lyco, Rowan football is certainly not the powerhouse that they built their name upon from years past. In fact, they haven't even made the playoffs for the past three years and were picked to finish only 4th in the NJAC....not exactly the same as scheduling the likes of Wesley on your schedule...

Let's hope for a better showing of the conference next week...the Aggies have a very formidable opponent on tap next week...hope to see another W....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 07, 2010, 07:23:10 AM
a good win by dvc, have to admit muhlenberg had pbr worried a little bit. they are a solid team and the 1st game of the season always has some question marks. Now the schedule really ramps up...wash&jeff come to dtown and then wesley and lvc. Agreed lvc game was a shocker. Would like to hear warren's recap and thoughts if he was at the game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on September 07, 2010, 01:09:52 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 04, 2010, 10:12:20 PM
Yeah, I'm very surprised by that Leb Val-Gettysburg result.

LVC trailed 21-0 and came back to tie the score but Gettysburg scored twice in 43 seconds to pull away.  The Bullets, who are traditionally run heavy and had a potent offense last year, finished with 488 yards including 374 on the ground.  Forcing 5 turnovers didn't hurt Gettysburg either.

Rough weekend for the MAC.


Join the club.  We (the LL) had a rough weekend as well.  Was surprised that the ATN podcast mentioned a 20 pt win for DVC wasn't as resounding they'd thought it would be for a #10 ranked team, but maybe that's a fair criticism.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 07, 2010, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: TGP on September 07, 2010, 01:09:52 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 04, 2010, 10:12:20 PM
Yeah, I'm very surprised by that Leb Val-Gettysburg result.

LVC trailed 21-0 and came back to tie the score but Gettysburg scored twice in 43 seconds to pull away.  The Bullets, who are traditionally run heavy and had a potent offense last year, finished with 488 yards including 374 on the ground.  Forcing 5 turnovers didn't hurt Gettysburg either.

Rough weekend for the MAC.


Join the club.  We (the LL) had a rough weekend as well.  Was surprised that the ATN podcast mentioned a 20 pt win for DVC wasn't as resounding they'd thought it would be for a #10 ranked team, but maybe that's a fair criticism.

Thoughts?

tons of things come to mind....1. muhlenberg has always been a good solid team. Not a push over, so imho to win by 3 tds on the road is pretty good. Plus Muhlenberg scored w/ less than 2 mins to play so it could of been 27-0 just as easily. 2. First game out of the chute this year, play isnt always crisp and execution is sometimes lacking. 3. 20th ranked W&J is coming to town this saturday so just how much Off/Def do you show if your winning by almost 4 tds if you dont have to show all your cards? 4. Was the team looking ahead to #20 ranked team coming to town? (highly doubt it but guess its worth listing)

come on in reality to win by 3 if not 4 tds on the road on opening weekend against a solid team? what is this div I-A ...be like oregon and should dvc hang 72 points on teams just so they dont fall in the rankings....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2010, 02:01:26 PM
I agree.  DVC won the game handily enough.  They played very conservatively on offense in the fourth quarter, mostly using their third string running back to run out the clock.  The offense was spotty (just like last year) but the result wasn't in doubt after the first possession of the second half. 

That said, I also think DVC is too high at No. 10.  But I thought that before the Muhlenberg game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 07, 2010, 02:19:48 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 07, 2010, 02:01:26 PM
I agree.  DVC won the game handily enough.  They played very conservatively on offense in the fourth quarter, mostly using their third string running back to run out the clock.  The offense was spotty (just like last year) but the result wasn't in doubt after the first possession of the second half. 

That said, I also think DVC is too high at No. 10.  But I thought that before the Muhlenberg game.

bite your tongue! right where they should be in the rankings... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 07, 2010, 06:11:09 PM
Quote from: a fine mug of pbr'th... on September 07, 2010, 07:23:10 AM
Agreed lvc game was a shocker. Would like to hear warren's recap and thoughts if he was at the game

I was, unfortunately, at the game. LVC's offense was lacking consistent rhythm, defense was spotty, there were far too many LVC penalties ... and the planets and stars were incorrectly aligned. As Coach Monos said, it was a "team loss."

At the same time, LVC is a better team, I believe, than they showed on Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 07, 2010, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 07, 2010, 02:01:26 PM
I agree.  DVC won the game handily enough.  They played very conservatively on offense in the fourth quarter, mostly using their third string running back to run out the clock.  The offense was spotty (just like last year) but the result wasn't in doubt after the first possession of the second half. 

That said, I also think DVC is too high at No. 10.  But I thought that before the Muhlenberg game.

dlip concurs, a good win for DVC on the road. The next few weeks will be quite telling regarding their strength on a national level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 07, 2010, 11:39:41 PM
Just a note in regard to the DVC win and the fact they didn't win by a larger margin...while there are some things that need to be cleaned up a bit, they handled(man handled) the Mules all game...and could have put up bigger numbers but took the high road and began working the clock in the 4th...coach also left the 2nd team defense in a bit too long on the final drive that led to the TD...and as a side note, the onside kick was unwarranted by the Mules...big challenge this week in W&J so we'll see if the ranking is deserving...good luck Aggies
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 09, 2010, 08:17:17 PM
hey gordan, how are you doing?  i will be making the trip this week to delval to see the game.  want to see how wash and jeff matches up with some real football teams. ;)  will stop and see you at some point.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 10, 2010, 11:52:59 AM
Whoa...someone steppin' up to the plate

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/27/2010/september/10/delval-receiving-huge-financial-gift-1.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 10, 2010, 12:51:28 PM
That is really GREAT news, pbr!  How about an upgrade for all the athletic facilities (inside & out)?  Thank you, a million times over to whoever the donor is!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 10, 2010, 01:22:00 PM
Quote from: kate on September 10, 2010, 12:51:28 PM
That is really GREAT news, pbr!  How about an upgrade for all the athletic facilities (inside & out)?  Thank you, a million times over to whoever the donor is!!!

would love to see some of it used for athletic facilities and student facilities. Not sure as I guess we have to see how the donor wishes it used/designated. If all academic or spread around. None the less an incredible gift by someone/family during tough economic times. Very interested to see who it is...Several hunches but nothing concrete yet
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2010, 06:57:45 PM
That's awesome, however the funds are used.

On a tangentially related programming note, if you can't make it to Doylestown to scope out ways to spend $10,000,000...

No. 10 Delaware Valley (1-0)
vs.
No. 20 Washington & Jefferson (0-0)

You can listen to the Aggies as they take on the Presidents in the inaugural PAC-MAC challenge. Pregame coverage begins at 12:40 pm tomorrow with 1 pm kick off.  Click here to listen (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx).


Wesleydad, I'll be in my normal spot and will look forward to seeing you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 10, 2010, 09:07:23 PM
10 vs. 20, good game, will see you before the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 11, 2010, 09:52:31 AM
getting ready to make what seems like an annual trip to delval college to see today's game against wash and jeff.  will be interested to see wash and jeff since i have never seen them play.  i was surprised by some of the comments that i read about delval's win last week.  some didnt think they won by enough.  wesley played the mules a couple of times and they were always tough to score on.  i remember seeing isgro's backup play last year and he looked good if that is the same one playing this year.  see you soon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 11, 2010, 12:25:19 PM
Programming note...

Please click here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-washington-jefferson) (not at the link below) for today's DVC-W&J broadcast.  Technical problems are poopy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 11, 2010, 03:53:52 PM
Great game for the Aggies - on to the Wesley Wolverines down in Dover!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 11, 2010, 05:17:57 PM
wanted to congratulate Matt Cook for becoming the all time TD record holder at Delval.  I have seen him for 4 years now and like the way he plays the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 11, 2010, 06:34:48 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 11, 2010, 05:17:57 PM
wanted to congratulate Matt Cook for becoming the all time TD record holder at Delval.  I have seen him for 4 years now and like the way he plays the game.

indeed...looking forward to playing wesley should be a very good game. Couldn't make it to dtown today but reading the recap dvc sounds like they totally dominated the game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 11, 2010, 07:46:26 PM
Great Job Aggies!!!! Defense was insane--no first downs until the 3rd! Still need to have a little more self-control out there...but overall a great job! Congrats to Cook, love to watch him run the ball! Gotta buckle down and play error free against the Wolverines...talented across the board! Congrats to the rest of the MAC's who got W's today!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 12, 2010, 12:50:42 AM
Quote from: a fine mug of pbr'th... on September 10, 2010, 11:52:59 AM
Whoa...someone steppin' up to the plate

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/27/2010/september/10/delval-receiving-huge-financial-gift-1.html



You are going to be  very suprised!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
If you haven't seen the FDU-Florham highlight posted off the front page, definitely check it out.  Go ahead.  We'll wait.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 14, 2010, 08:43:54 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 14, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
If you haven't seen the FDU-Florham highlight posted off the front page, definitely check it out.  Go ahead.  We'll wait.

Pep loves the video play of the week feature. Nice addition to D3football.com this year! Reminds Pep of "Hidden Video" that was featured at halftime of the Thursday Night ESPN Games when they were first introduced.

D3football.com.... the authority on Division III football... and getting better all the time!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on September 15, 2010, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 11, 2010, 12:25:19 PM
Programming note...

Technical problems are poopy.

Well said, we feel the same way every week on ITH but I digress.

DVC vs. Wesley is the game of the week (at least in the East) to say the least...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 15, 2010, 02:41:09 PM
PBR

I read the full release regarding the Del Val gift. Very interesting. I am not familiar with the parcel of land that was donated, but to an outsider (me) it almost seemed to suggest that Del Val was going to add or expand onto the new campus. I wonder if there is a potential to eventually move all operations to the new campus in the distant future...FDU, one of the bigger (in land size) campuses in the MAC, is 180 acres. This land piece is significantly bigger then that!
I question if this will directly impact athletics, although I'm sure it will help indirectly.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 15, 2010, 02:58:55 PM
Holy moly.  398 acres is a lot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2010, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: bill on September 15, 2010, 02:41:09 PM
PBR

I read the full release regarding the Del Val gift. Very interesting. I am not familiar with the parcel of land that was donated, but to an outsider (me) it almost seemed to suggest that Del Val was going to add or expand onto the new campus. I wonder if there is a potential to eventually move all operations to the new campus in the distant future...FDU, one of the bigger (in land size) campuses in the MAC, is 180 acres. This land piece is significantly bigger then that!
I question if this will directly impact athletics, although I'm sure it will help indirectly.

no need to move all operations there. the new farm is 400 acres and its incredible the pix on dvc's website are impressive to say the least. You can see why it was valued at $15 million. Toll brothers et al would of loved to get their hands on it and stuff their mcmansions on it. Add in the $10 million permanent endowment to maintain it and it definetly could be and will be used (imho) as a classroom. Not sure if they could add classrooms/dorms (zoning considerations as well as what the family deed the land). Plus dvc's campus acreage wise is enormous already, its 550 acres. So could they move the ag part of the school or some of it to the new farm? possible but again not sure what the donating family/local zoning would permit.  If they could that would make room for dvc to grow building wise as they move into university status. Very nice of the family to also donate $5 million dollars for dvc to use basically how they wish, w/ some chunk of it going to pay for the ramp up to university status.  The donated land is about 20 minutes give or take 5 minutes depending on traffic from dvc's campus.  
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 15, 2010, 04:07:25 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 15, 2010, 02:58:55 PM
Holy moly.  398 acres is a lot.

Alfred University has a "sprawling" campus of 232 acres.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 15, 2010, 05:55:12 PM
   I don't think you will see any new college type buildings going up on the new propety. My son has worked there for years and actually lives in one of the rentals. I think a lot of what's there willl remain the same. The place is kept up beautifully.  I understand that some of the stipulations for the gift were to keep the property pristeen. It will be a great addition to the horticultural dept.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 15, 2010, 06:20:59 PM
to clarify yes it is called a  "farm" but the grounds are truly an estate. Very beautiful piece of property. Have driven by it many times and its kept immaculate. Your son and the other keepers do an incredible job of maintaining that property
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 15, 2010, 06:41:00 PM
Just a note about construction with all the attendant buzz concerning the DVC endowment.

Facilities are expensive to erect, costly to maintain, and even more challenging to heat - in other words - new construction comes with a very large tail for the out years.

I doubt too many schools will be embarking on anything ambitious during these tough economic times when it comes to facilities - even with a sizable endowment.

Declining birth rates - a population pool that is moving ever-southward - beyond the magical 500 mile range - and increasing tuition and fees are causing many Americans to re-examine a traditional four year undergraduate, on campus, degree path.

It is a shame too since the socialization involved with living away and making your own decisions is just as important as academics and athletics - intercollegiate or intramural.

The real question - is where is all this leading?

I invite inputs from the gallery.  These questions, while not truly football related, will determine if football continues as a sport given the costs associated and pittance in revenue recouped.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2010, 01:39:16 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 14, 2010, 08:43:54 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 14, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
If you haven't seen the FDU-Florham highlight posted off the front page, definitely check it out.  Go ahead.  We'll wait.

Pep loves the video play of the week feature. Nice addition to D3football.com this year! Reminds Pep of "Hidden Video" that was featured at halftime of the Thursday Night ESPN Games when they were first introduced.


That was exactly our goal, and it's been our goal for a couple years but we hadn't quite had the time to put it all together. The success of Buzzer Beaters on D3hoops last year showed us that enough schools had the video capacity to do this now and make it legitimate.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 16, 2010, 07:26:30 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2010, 01:39:16 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on September 14, 2010, 08:43:54 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 14, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
If you haven't seen the FDU-Florham highlight posted off the front page, definitely check it out.  Go ahead.  We'll wait.

Pep loves the video play of the week feature. Nice addition to D3football.com this year! Reminds Pep of "Hidden Video" that was featured at halftime of the Thursday Night ESPN Games when they were first introduced.


That was exactly our goal, and it's been our goal for a couple years but we hadn't quite had the time to put it all together. The success of Buzzer Beaters on D3hoops last year showed us that enough schools had the video capacity to do this now and make it legitimate.

In the off-season perhaps you could post video of that Alfred-Catholic fantastic finish from the 90s... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 16, 2010, 08:37:46 AM
very nice! DVC coach Clements interviewed in the Philadelphia newspapers about this weeks upcoming game w/ #8 ranked DVC vs. #3 Wesley....solid interview

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/villanova/20100916_Mike_Kern_.html?page=2&c=y

EDIT: weird the link works in I.E. but not chrome...imagine that microsoft actually has something working that google doesnt...there is a first time for everything i guess
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 16, 2010, 09:08:45 AM
Lyco80

Your points about football's costs versus revenue are a topic of debate in academic courses and among athletics departments and universities.
There may be some merit regarding costs and DI sports, but that is simply not the case among many, many tuition driven DIII schools.
At FDU, we have taken the position that football is a major source of revenue for the school. Like most of the MAC, we are a tuition dependent school. Football provides about 100 students who pay upwards of $40,000 each to attend. The over 4 million dollars that FDU gets a year from the football program is staggering. (Of course, you can make the argument that the school should do more to help this money maker, but that's a different post  :) )
If we were to drop football, our number of students would decrease. Same for the other 300 athletes who attend FDU. Our internal figures and surveys clearly show, along with anecdotal evidence that these students would not have attended FDU if they were not recruited to play a sport. I would venture that most of the conference schools are in this boat as well...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 16, 2010, 10:21:18 AM
Good luck to DVC this weekend vs. Wesley!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on September 16, 2010, 10:30:54 AM
I agree Upstate.  That game will go a long way in helping out the East Region if Del Val can pull off the upset. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 17, 2010, 06:18:06 AM
bill,

I concur with your observation that sports programs are an inducement for students to enroll - bringing with them their parents' checkbooks and hopefully, down the road, their own financial support as successful alumni.

The larger point I was hoping to make clear is that the balance between new construction and the costs associated with the maintenance of the physical plant of any institution is extremely delicate.

While academic leaders may be tempted to build as a means to attract new students - of both academic and athletic pursuits - the fiscal realities are a significant governor to prevent much growth in this area.

It is also possible that some of the 100 FDU football student-athletes may have enrolled regardless.

I was a baseball player in high school but that did not influence my decision to attend Lycoming since the MAC really has no baseball season and Lycoming no hardball team.

Interesting thoughts, though, and many thanks.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 17, 2010, 08:21:04 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 17, 2010, 06:18:06 AM
bill,

I concur with your observation that sports programs are an inducement for students to enroll - bringing with them their parents' checkbooks and hopefully, down the road, their own financial support as successful alumni.

The larger point I was hoping to make clear is that the balance between new construction and the costs associated with the maintenance of the physical plant of any institution is extremely delicate.

While academic leaders may be tempted to build as a means to attract new students - of both academic and athletic pursuits - the fiscal realities are a significant governor to prevent much growth in this area.

It is also possible that some of the 100 FDU football student-athletes may have enrolled regardless.

I was a baseball player in high school but that did not influence my decision to attend Lycoming since the MAC really has no baseball season and Lycoming no hardball team.

Interesting thoughts, though, and many thanks.

ATB

do have to say that for about the last 10 years there has been new construction of buildings classrooms/dorms on all colleges/universities like pbr has never seen before. Barely recognized many schools pbr went to growing up and while in college. Now schools that are dependent on students tuition for making ends meet better hope there isnt a dropoff of students any time soon. Unless you have wealthy donors to underwrite the project (i.e. for example penn state today announced they are doing a div I mens hockey program. A alumni donor just sold his company to shell oil for almost 5 billion so he gave psu $87 million to build a brand new hockey arena and almost 15 million for coaches/scholarships and training facilities.) that can be a slippery slope to head down. Guess it was a keep up w/ the jones mentality for schools, if other schools are building state of the art dorms everyone else better or they wont get students.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 17, 2010, 08:31:50 PM
LETS GO DVC TAKE DOWN WESLEY!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 17, 2010, 09:37:36 PM
If you can't make it to Wesley, you can still follow tomorrow's big game in Dover...

No. 8 Delaware Valley (2-0)
vs.
No. 3 Wesley (2-0)

Pregame coverage begins at 12:40 pm.  Click here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-wesley) to listen to the broadcast.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 17, 2010, 10:09:04 PM
FDU moves to 2-0 with a big OT win over TCNJ, 24-23 :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 17, 2010, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: bill on September 17, 2010, 10:09:04 PM
FDU moves to 2-0 with a big OT win over TCNJ, 24-23 :)

Glad to see FDU off to a solid 2-0 start...(now that the Devils aren't playing Alfred) Congrats, Bill!

Oh yeah, and let's go Aggies!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on September 18, 2010, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: a fine mug of pbr'th... on September 17, 2010, 08:31:50 PM
LETS GO DVC TAKE DOWN WESLEY!!!
SOOO close.  Was hoping to see the Aggs beat those Wolverines but unfortunately no dice.  At least they hung tough with one of the best teams in DIII and could have beaten them....says a lot about DVC this season...

Still #1 in the east in my book...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 18, 2010, 04:53:26 PM
Quote from: TGP on September 18, 2010, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: a fine mug of pbr'th... on September 17, 2010, 08:31:50 PM
LETS GO DVC TAKE DOWN WESLEY!!!
SOOO close.  Was hoping to see the Aggs beat those Wolverines but unfortunately no dice.  At least they hung tough with one of the best teams in DIII and could have beaten them....says a lot about DVC this season...

Still #1 in the east in my book...

I agree.  As of right now, it's still not close.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on September 18, 2010, 04:56:38 PM
To be on the road and force the #3 team in the country have to come from behind and beat you with under 5 to go says a lot about you...

DVC is still the #1 team in the East!

Tough loss, was really pulling for you guys!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Teamski on September 18, 2010, 05:05:08 PM
Del Val did really good today.  They definately solved Wesley's screen!  Two of the interceptions were on those alone.  The Aggies are the real deal and I think the MAC is in for a long season.....

-Ski
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 18, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
Agreed.  Good fight against team with a superior defense.  Player for player, it's hard to imagine a more talented defense in the country than Wesley.  That doesn't mean Wesley will beat the purple monsters but the Wolverines have exceptional talent on that side of the ball.  Del Val's defense acquitted itself very well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 18, 2010, 09:36:08 PM
A TD called back for "illegal formation" that was discussed with the officials in the pre-game...a reversal of the fumble (n the final TD drive)where the official closest to the fumble called and signaled it Aggies ball immediately....a missed field goal and they lose by four....The Aggies defense and special teams were outstanding today!

Bye week--get healthy then bring it to the MAC!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 18, 2010, 10:02:31 PM
I feel that Del Val is #1 in the East, hands down right now.

A few years ago Montclair went to Wesley and beat them. Then we laid an egg against TCNJ and screwed up what was a potential good season. Aggies, stay focused and hope to see you in the playoffs if we can get by Cortland, Kean and the rest of the NJAC. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2010, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 18, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
Agreed.  Good fight against team with a superior defense.  Player for player, it's hard to imagine a more talented defense in the country than Wesley.  That doesn't mean Wesley will beat the purple monsters but the Wolverines have exceptional talent on that side of the ball.  Del Val's defense acquitted itself very well.

hey gordon what was your feeling on the fumble? not sure if you had a good look at it but several people said it was definetly a fumble. As maAggie said the ref closest to the play signaled fumble but was overruled by a ref further away. (not to make excuses here as wesley won the game period). A great effort by DVC. They are definetly the real deal. Time to regroup and get ready for next week and put this game behind them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 19, 2010, 01:28:48 PM
PBR:

I spoke with four people, two of whom were not associated with Del Val, and they all thought it was a fumble.  I didn't think it was close on my first (and only) view.  The official closest to the play originally ruled it was a fumble as MaAggie notes.  And reportedly the team reviewed the tape and, after seeing it, was even more convinced that it was a fumble.  They also felt the officials got the call right on the illegal formation that nullified the touchdown.

There were so many chances for Del Val, it's hard to focus on just one play.  As Coach Clements said afterward, you can't control the officials.  You can only control effort.  And the Aggies gave a lot of that.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 19, 2010, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 19, 2010, 01:28:48 PM
PBR:

I spoke with four people, two of whom were not associated with Del Val, and they all thought it was a fumble.  I didn't think it was close on my first (and only) view.  The official closest to the play originally ruled it was a fumble as MaAggie notes.  And reportedly the team reviewed the tape and, after seeing it, was even more convinced that it was a fumble.  They also felt the officials got the call right on the illegal formation that nullified the touchdown.

There were so many chances for Del Val, it's hard to focus on just one play.  As Coach Clements said afterward, you can't control the officials.  You can only control effort.  And the Aggies gave a lot of that.



exactly calls usually equal out in a game....hate to see a good game and effort decided by so many questionable calls for both sides
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 19, 2010, 02:53:32 PM
  Not to make any excuses for the refs but there was a whistle blown which doesnt happen often and one ref ran in pointing to the ground and that may have superceded whay happened. I could not see the play from my seat so I can't give an opinion either way on the play.

On another note. It's hard to say how good  Del Val offense is because they had such a short field to work with and Cook was shut down , but over all this looks like as good a team that Del Val has had.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on September 19, 2010, 08:01:59 PM
Good effort to Del Val this past Saturday. There were some awful calls on both sides. Del Vals D made some great plays on those interceptions, and showed QB Justin Sottilare what a top 10 defense was like. Good luck the rest of the season!  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 20, 2010, 09:54:06 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 19, 2010, 08:01:59 PM
Good effort to Del Val this past Saturday. There were some awful calls on both sides. Del Vals D made some great plays on those interceptions, and showed QB Justin Sottilare what a top 10 defense was like. Good luck the rest of the season!  :)


good stuff...lets meet again later this season deep in the playoffs    :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
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Just checked out the AFCA Coaches Poll. (5) teams represented from the East.

13.  Ithaca
14.  Del Val
19.  Montclair
21.  Fisher
22.  Cortland

Interesting how defferent people vote. I can't see how they have Ithaca ahead of Del Val. No knock on Ithaca. I can see Fisher and Cortland getting some love. Still it is really too early in the season. After everyone plays (5) games we should have a better idea. Let's hope the East gets stronger this year.

 

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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 24, 2010, 10:53:45 AM
don't see any real threat to dvc this weekend...think they win going away... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 24, 2010, 02:38:38 PM
Just coming back to reality after a real nice bus trip last week to Tennessee, but congrats to FDU beating TCNJ, and also, to LVC's Brittany Ryan, Special Teams, out of Easton Area High School for setting the record.  You are soooo right, pbr, Del Val looks very good this weekend  ;) - it's that following one we have to watch out for!  As always, GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 25, 2010, 02:47:41 PM
Not sure where everyone is today - but hey - the Warriors are leading 20 - 14 over IC with seconds to go in the first half - not yet a W but a heck of a showing for the lads from Williamsport so far against a ranked - even if it is only regionally - team.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 25, 2010, 04:26:44 PM
To paraphrase a Yankee announcer  - "The Warriors Win!" 

Long drive to seal the deal with 2 minutes to go in the game.   IC tried to ice the kicker twice calling time out but the end result was a 26 - 24 Win.

Nice to get one against the Bombers.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 25, 2010, 07:08:17 PM
Nice win for Lycoming. FDU-Florham also improved to 3-0 for the first time since 1994.  Looks like it'll be a fun conference season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 26, 2010, 07:43:53 AM
I guess all the Lycoming posters have long since moved on as I expected to see some chatter after yesterday's victory over Ithaca.

IC could not mount a running game.  What truly makes me wonder is their ranking before this game - are they that good, or were they hyped, did Lyco get lucky, is Lyco better than predicted?

Naturally, the play will answer most of these questions but I still am left wondering - and of course - hoping that this squad is as tough and talented as they looked yesterday.

Fact:  with the game on the line and just a little more than two minutes to go they worked the ball down to within the shadow of the goal post for a short field goal.

Good teams make those kind of drives and seal it with a W.

Let's see how the rest of the season unfolds but for now call me Cautiously Optimistic.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 26, 2010, 11:06:53 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 26, 2010, 07:43:53 AM
I guess all the Lycoming posters have long since moved on as I expected to see some chatter after yesterday's victory over Ithaca.

IC could not mount a running game.  What truly makes me wonder is their ranking before this game - are they that good, or were they hyped, did Lyco get lucky, is Lyco better than predicted?

Naturally, the play will answer most of these questions but I still am left wondering - and of course - hoping that this squad is as tough and talented as they looked yesterday.

Fact:  with the game on the line and just a little more than two minutes to go they worked the ball down to within the shadow of the goal post for a short field goal.

Good teams make those kind of drives and seal it with a W.

Let's see how the rest of the season unfolds but for now call me Cautiously Optimistic.

ATB

Well if you look at some of the comparative scores, Rowan, Ithaca and Lycoming had some pretty close games.  I'd put all three of those teams on the cusp of the top 25.

As for Ithaca's running game, it has been hurting for the last two years.  They still seem to try to run to set up the pass, as the passing game has been excellent the last two years.  Ithaca does have 5 really great receivers and tight ends, but one of their top receivers over the past 10 years was out with an injury and so was their starting TE.

Their defense had been very solid as well and their ranking had probably more to do with their being undefeated with one solid win (Union) while a lot of other east teams had either one loss or no solid wins.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 26, 2010, 02:26:23 PM
QuoteWhat truly makes me wonder is their ranking before this game - are they that good, or were they hyped, did Lyco get lucky, is Lyco better than predicted?

I respect the Bombers program and always look at them during the preseason.  But I was very surprised that the coaches' poll had Ithaca ranked 13th coming off a 7-3 season.  That said, Lycoming can challenge for the title.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2010, 08:46:09 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 26, 2010, 07:43:53 AM
IC could not mount a running game.  What truly makes me wonder is their ranking before this game - are they that good, or were they hyped, did Lyco get lucky, is Lyco better than predicted?

It's the coaches poll. No surprise a highly ranked team in the coaches poll got upset.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2010, 04:26:03 PM
Thanks, Pat and Adam Samrov, for the nice football front-page story on LVC PK Britanny Ryan.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on September 30, 2010, 02:02:27 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2010, 04:26:03 PM
Thanks, Pat and Adam Samrov, for the nice football front-page story on LVC PK Britanny Ryan.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Phil99 on September 30, 2010, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 25, 2010, 04:26:44 PM
To paraphrase a Yankee announcer  - "The Warriors Win!" 

Long drive to seal the deal with 2 minutes to go in the game.   IC tried to ice the kicker twice calling time out but the end result was a 26 - 24 Win.

Nice to get one against the Bombers.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Sorry to jump in so late but did anyone at the IC game wonder why IC didn't use the time outs to stop the clock to give themselves an opportunity to drive back for a win instead of using them to ice the kicker???  Seemed odd to me unless I am missing something.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 01, 2010, 05:35:59 AM
On the Empire8 page the IC coach is quoted as saying he thought they would block the kick.

I would say you should try and do both - block the kick and attempt to save some time in case you need to try for another score yourself.

Funny - if you go to E8 the chatter is all about how IC could not mount a rushing attack and no one gives any props whatsoever to Lycoming for stuffing them.

Lycoming is not what the program was in the mid to late 1990s for sure but beating IC is a quality win particularly when you hold one aspect of their offense to minus yards.

I think the lads acquitted themselves nicely.

Go Yankees - Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 01, 2010, 04:33:03 PM
This weekend on ITH (this Sunday @ 7:30 PM ET) we will interview a key player in the weekend's slate of games, as well as welcome Springfield College Head Coach Mike DeLong live at 8:10 PM ET.  We'll be discussing SC's reasoning behind leaving the E8, his views on the "weakness" of the East and the possibility of another year with MUC in the "eastern playoff bracket" (Coach DeLong is on the championship selection committee), among other topics.

Log on to www.inthehuddLLe.com this Sunday!
 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 01, 2010, 06:55:15 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 01, 2010, 05:35:59 AM
On the Empire8 page the IC coach is quoted as saying he thought they would block the kick.

I would say you should try and do both - block the kick and attempt to save some time in case you need to try for another score yourself.

Funny - if you go to E8 the chatter is all about how IC could not mount a rushing attack and no one gives any props whatsoever to Lycoming for stuffing them.

Lycoming is not what the program was in the mid to late 1990s for sure but beating IC is a quality win particularly when you hold one aspect of their offense to minus yards.

I think the lads acquitted themselves nicely.

Go Yankees - Go Warriors!

ATB

I agree that IC should have tried to save time, the whole "block the kick" thing is pretty lame...

It was a quality win vs IC for Lyco, make no mistake about it...

However I wouldn't hang your hat on shutting down Ithaca's run game.  In Ithaca's season opener vs a horrible St. Lawrence team they rushed for 98 yards on 36 carries and 61 of those came on two late Ithaca TDs of 30 and 31 yards...

Widener held them to 2.6 yards per carry and 74 yards overall...

The Ithaca team this year is horrible at running the ball...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 01, 2010, 09:25:51 PM
Sort of quiet on here, but nonetheless...

Lebanon Valley (1-2, 0-0)
vs.
Delaware Valley (2-1, 0-0)

Forget about the overall records because it's a new season for both teams with conference play beginning.  You can hear the action starting with pregame at 12:40 here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-lebanon-valley).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 04, 2010, 06:09:04 PM
This board is way too quiet. 

Maybe this will liven things up a tad. 

I know we are only about a third of the way through the season but I could not be more pleased that DVC and Lycoming are tied for first in the MAC. 

The pre-season poll for Lycoming was a fourth place finish.

Perhaps there is some crow slowly roasting on a spit for those who doubted.

Perhaps not - time will tell - but for now - Go Warriors!

Go Yankees!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2010, 01:50:38 AM
After one conference game, first and fourth are the same thing. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 05, 2010, 08:28:07 PM
Frankly, I do not see how I could be accused of getting ahead of myself with the various disclaimers in my post about it being early and all.

Also, since you rose to the hook, are you one of the preseason soothsayers who ranked them fourth and are now defending your previous position?

Like I said, time will tell, but at this point in the season, I am well-pleased at a 3-1 showing regardless of how many conference games have been played.

I like their chances at a much better showing than fourth and this early success may be a harbinger of this result.

We will just have to all stay tuned . . .

ATB



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 05, 2010, 08:43:43 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 05, 2010, 08:28:07 PM
Frankly, I do not see how I could be accused of getting ahead of myself with the various disclaimers in my post about it being early and all.

Also, since you rose to the hook, are you one of the preseason soothsayers who ranked them fourth and are now defending your previous position?

Like I said, time will tell, but at this point in the season, I am well-pleased at a 3-1 showing regardless of how many conference games have been played.

I like their chances at a much better showing than fourth and this early success may be a harbinger of this result.

We will just have to all stay tuned . . .
ATB


That's what Pep is forever telling the band!  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2010, 09:09:44 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 05, 2010, 08:28:07 PM
Also, since you rose to the hook, are you one of the preseason soothsayers who ranked them fourth and are now defending your previous position?

Did you get Kickoff?

One conference game. Four teams tied at 1-0. First place is the same as fourth place right now. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 06, 2010, 04:44:31 AM
Like I previously stated, "way too quiet in here."

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 08, 2010, 12:34:45 PM
LETS GO DVC!!! No let up...Time to go take care of bizness
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 08, 2010, 11:10:45 PM
To PBR's point...

Delaware Valley (3-1, 1-0)
vs.
FDU-Florham (3-1, 0-1)

From the land of contingency plans, there are two links to our broadcast.  Try this one (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx) first.  If that doesn't work, try this one (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-fdu-florham).  If that doesn't work, weep gently for me.

With any luck, we'll be on the air with pregame at 12:40 pm and kickoff at 1 pm.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 09, 2010, 03:50:22 PM
Okay, Lycoming wins today 50-0 against Albright, and we are now 50% of the way through the season - all the baloney about conference games notwithstanding.  4-1 in a ten game season is halfway no matter how you slice the baloney.

It seems it may be time for people who picked the Warriors to finish 4th in the MAC to begin to reconsider their initial assessment.

Granted the real test for the Warriors will be when they meet the remainder of the MAC:  Widener, Wilkes, DVC, FDU, and LVC.

Still - 4-1 is a great halfway point and probably better than most predicted.

Way to Go Warriors!

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 09, 2010, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 09, 2010, 03:50:22 PM
Okay, Lycoming wins today 50-0 against Albright, and we are now 50% of the way through the season - all the baloney about conference games notwithstanding.  4-1 in a ten game season is halfway no matter how you slice the baloney.

It seems it may be time for people who picked the Warriors to finish 4th in the MAC to begin to reconsider their initial assessment.

Granted the real test for the Warriors will be when they meet the remainder of the MAC:  Widener, Wilkes, DVC, FDU, and LVC.

Still - 4-1 is a great halfway point and probably better than most predicted.

Way to Go Warriors!

ATB



Huh?  ???  So lyco is 4-1 and as you say have by far their toughest games to play.
So if they go 1-4 that would put them at 5-5 for the year which would put them probably about in the middle of the conference right where some people predicted. Don't think anyone is going to retract anything until the season it complete and the ink dries. Note I don't think they will go 1-4 the rest of the way. I think based on how the MAC is shaping up they could win at least 3 of those games.


BTW....DVC is putting a beatdown on FDU right now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 09, 2010, 05:33:55 PM
Beat down, Pbr...that's an understatement! School record for offensive yardage...perhaps the blue devils should show more respect to DVC...

On a different note-Lyco unless you finish first, the rest are last place... :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 09, 2010, 05:43:36 PM
Quote from: maAggie on October 09, 2010, 05:33:55 PM
Beat down, Pbr...that's an understatement! School record for offensive yardage...perhaps the blue devils should show more respect to DVC...

On a different note-Lyco unless you finish first, the rest are last place... :D

roger that...

Offense Racks Up 734 Yards  (291 rush, 493 pass) For First Time In School History...Hatty Throws For 383 Yards In Just Two And A Half Quarters...Defense Holds FDU To Under 100 Yards Through Three Quarters (232 For Game)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 09, 2010, 09:45:30 PM
A loud and proud "Congrats" to Wilkes head coach Frank Sheptock, who surpassed Colonels coaching legend Rollie Schmidt for career wins at the school, with today's win over Lebanon Valley being No. 91 for Coach Shep.  :)

With the Colonels down 22 points in the fourth quarter, I coulden't help but notice many LVC fans filter out early. Turns out they missed a heck of a fourth quarter....... ;)

These Colonels may not be the MAC frontrunners, but they are young and hungry. That showed today with some great senior leadership combined with young guys making plays to bring the team back. All in all, a fantastic afternoon in Annville for everyone. It was the first road game (other than games at King's) that I have been able to make since my last year working with the Colonels, in 2007. Coulden't ask for a better afternoon for football!

Everyone on the Wilkes side of the stadium knows who next week's opponent is. I don't know if Wilkes will win the game, but I do know that the Colonels are going to put up one heck of a fight. DVC fans, hope to see you at Ralston next Saturday  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on October 09, 2010, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 09, 2010, 09:45:30 PM
A loud and proud "Congrats" to Wilkes head coach Frank Sheptock, who surpassed Colonels coaching legend Rollie Schmidt for career wins at the school, with today's win over Lebanon Valley being No. 91 for Coach Shep.  :)

With the Colonels down 22 points in the fourth quarter, I coulden't help but notice many LVC fans filter out early. Turns out they missed a heck of a fourth quarter....... ;)

These Colonels may not be the MAC frontrunners, but they are young and hungry. That showed today with some great senior leadership combined with young guys making plays to bring the team back. All in all, a fantastic afternoon in Annville for everyone. It was the first road game (other than games at King's) that I have been able to make since my last year working with the Colonels, in 2007. Coulden't ask for a better afternoon for football!

Everyone on the Wilkes side of the stadium knows who next week's opponent is. I don't know if Wilkes will win the game, but I do know that the Colonels are going to put up one heck of a fight. DVC fans, hope to see you at Ralston next Saturday  :)

Good luck my friend, you will need it. ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 07:14:36 AM
Quote from: a fine mug of pbr'th... on October 09, 2010, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 09, 2010, 03:50:22 PM
Okay, Lycoming wins today 50-0 against Albright, and we are now 50% of the way through the season - all the baloney about conference games notwithstanding.  4-1 in a ten game season is halfway no matter how you slice the baloney.

It seems it may be time for people who picked the Warriors to finish 4th in the MAC to begin to reconsider their initial assessment.

Granted the real test for the Warriors will be when they meet the remainder of the MAC:  Widener, Wilkes, DVC, FDU, and LVC.

Still - 4-1 is a great halfway point and probably better than most predicted.

Way to Go Warriors!

ATB



Huh?  ???  So lyco is 4-1 and as you say have by far their toughest games to play.
So if they go 1-4 that would put them at 5-5 for the year which would put them probably about in the middle of the conference right where some people predicted. Don't think anyone is going to retract anything until the season it complete and the ink dries. Note I don't think they will go 1-4 the rest of the way. I think based on how the MAC is shaping up they could win at least 3 of those games.


BTW....DVC is putting a beatdown on FDU right now.

The point I am trying to make but seems not to be getting through - is simply this - with no results to base their predictions on the pre-season pollsters were content to assess Lycoming as 4th in the MAC.

Now, with actual data - in other words - wins and losses - in real conditions - the tone is wait until the season finishes to see how things will sort themselves out.

It seems to me - that a 4-1 record indicates the team is better than previously regarded.

That is it - I am not suggesting they will win the MAC, beat DVC, or anything else.

And by the way Maggie - DVC spent decades in the cellar - do not even think you can begin to talk to me about everything else being last place. 

If you knew your history you would know the truth about who has the most experience with that phenomenon.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 10, 2010, 08:59:09 AM
Good morning, Lyco 80 - i'm sure Everyone  (including myself) are very much aware of DVC's past statistics, and that is exactly what makes the last several years even more special.  I'm really enjoying this ride.  GO AGGIES & GO PHILS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Go Yankees!  The all-time champion of professional sports.  And who did they beat least year?  Oh yeah, that other pin-stripe team down route 95.

Just curious - can anyone out there find the historic wins and losses for the MAC?

Bet a soda that Lycoming has the edge on the relative new-comers from Doylestown in terms of successes on the gridiron.

Go Warriors!  Go Yankees!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 10, 2010, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Go Yankees!  The all-time champion of professional sports.  And who did they beat least year?  Oh yeah, that other pin-stripe team down route 95.

Just curious - can anyone out there find the historic wins and losses for the MAC?

Bet a soda that Lycoming has the edge on the relative new-comers from Doylestown in terms of successes on the gridiron.

Go Warriors!  Go Yankees!

ATB

Because of this post, I hope Delaware Valley beats Lyco by 74.  Wipe the arrogance off your face.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 10, 2010, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 10, 2010, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Go Yankees!  The all-time champion of professional sports.  And who did they beat least year?  Oh yeah, that other pin-stripe team down route 95.

Just curious - can anyone out there find the historic wins and losses for the MAC?

Bet a soda that Lycoming has the edge on the relative new-comers from Doylestown in terms of successes on the gridiron.

Go Warriors!  Go Yankees!

ATB

Because of this post, I hope Delaware Valley beats Lyco by 74.  Wipe the arrogance off your face.

Yeah he's talking a whole lot of crap for a fan that has one winning season in the past 4 years...

Sounds to me like someone needs to put their varsity jacket in the closet and live in the now...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 10, 2010, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 10, 2010, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Go Yankees!  The all-time champion of professional sports.  And who did they beat least year?  Oh yeah, that other pin-stripe team down route 95.

Just curious - can anyone out there find the historic wins and losses for the MAC?

Bet a soda that Lycoming has the edge on the relative new-comers from Doylestown in terms of successes on the gridiron.

Go Warriors!  Go Yankees!

ATB

Because of this post, I hope Delaware Valley beats Lyco by 74.  Wipe the arrogance off your face.

He is right though.  How can anything or anyone from Pennsylvania compete with New York, the greatest state and city in the country?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 10, 2010, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: Jonny Podunk on October 10, 2010, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 10, 2010, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Go Yankees!  The all-time champion of professional sports.  And who did they beat least year?  Oh yeah, that other pin-stripe team down route 95.

Just curious - can anyone out there find the historic wins and losses for the MAC?

Bet a soda that Lycoming has the edge on the relative new-comers from Doylestown in terms of successes on the gridiron.

Go Warriors!  Go Yankees!

ATB

Because of this post, I hope Delaware Valley beats Lyco by 74.  Wipe the arrogance off your face.

He is right though.  How can anything or anyone from Pennsylvania compete with New York, the greatest state and city in the country?

WTF does New York have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 10, 2010, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 10, 2010, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: Jonny Podunk on October 10, 2010, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 10, 2010, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Go Yankees!  The all-time champion of professional sports.  And who did they beat least year?  Oh yeah, that other pin-stripe team down route 95.

Just curious - can anyone out there find the historic wins and losses for the MAC?

Bet a soda that Lycoming has the edge on the relative new-comers from Doylestown in terms of successes on the gridiron.

Go Warriors!  Go Yankees!

ATB

Because of this post, I hope Delaware Valley beats Lyco by 74.  Wipe the arrogance off your face.

He is right though.  How can anything or anyone from Pennsylvania compete with New York, the greatest state and city in the country?

WTF does New York have to do with anything?

The New York Yankees.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 10, 2010, 01:48:40 PM
Quote from: Jonny Podunk on October 10, 2010, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 10, 2010, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: Jonny Podunk on October 10, 2010, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 10, 2010, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Go Yankees!  The all-time champion of professional sports.  And who did they beat least year?  Oh yeah, that other pin-stripe team down route 95.

Just curious - can anyone out there find the historic wins and losses for the MAC?

Bet a soda that Lycoming has the edge on the relative new-comers from Doylestown in terms of successes on the gridiron.

Go Warriors!  Go Yankees!

ATB

Because of this post, I hope Delaware Valley beats Lyco by 74.  Wipe the arrogance off your face.

He is right though.  How can anything or anyone from Pennsylvania compete with New York, the greatest state and city in the country?

WTF does New York have to do with anything?

The New York Yankees.

Ha, totally missed that. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 10, 2010, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 10, 2010, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Go Yankees!  The all-time champion of professional sports.  And who did they beat least year?  Oh yeah, that other pin-stripe team down route 95.

Just curious - can anyone out there find the historic wins and losses for the MAC?

Bet a soda that Lycoming has the edge on the relative new-comers from Doylestown in terms of successes on the gridiron.

Go Warriors!  Go Yankees!

ATB

Because of this post, I hope Delaware Valley beats Lyco by 74.  Wipe the arrogance off your face.

Yeah he's talking a whole lot of crap for a fan that has one winning season in the past 4 years...

Sounds to me like someone needs to put their varsity jacket in the closet and live in the now...

Upstate,

Interesting comeback - except I played four years of varsity soccer at Lycoming - not football.

My support of the team, and school, have more to do with Coach Girardi and a long-term successful program than any one season.

It is nice to see Coach Clark making a difference this season - so far.

If is not too much to ask next time, try not to mind-read and stick with the stubborn things, as John Adams called facts.

ATB





Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 10, 2010, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 10, 2010, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 10, 2010, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 10:03:09 AM
Go Yankees!  The all-time champion of professional sports.  And who did they beat least year?  Oh yeah, that other pin-stripe team down route 95.

Just curious - can anyone out there find the historic wins and losses for the MAC?

Bet a soda that Lycoming has the edge on the relative new-comers from Doylestown in terms of successes on the gridiron.

Go Warriors!  Go Yankees!

ATB

Because of this post, I hope Delaware Valley beats Lyco by 74.  Wipe the arrogance off your face.

Yeah he's talking a whole lot of crap for a fan that has one winning season in the past 4 years...

Sounds to me like someone needs to put their varsity jacket in the closet and live in the now...

Upstate,

Interesting comeback - except I played four years of varsity soccer at Lycoming - not football.

My support of the team, and school, have more to do with Coach Girardi and a long-term successful program than any one season.

It is nice to see Coach Clark making a difference this season - so far.

If is not too much to ask next time, try not to mind-read and stick with the stubborn things, as John Adams called facts.

ATB







I don't care what sport you played, it has nothing to do with it...

Point is, all of the past means squat and if you want to revel in the glory of it go right a head...

Meanwhile in the present, you know the time period that actually matters, DVC is killing it in the MAC while Lyco is at best a mediocre program...

Take your version of the "facts" and be happy with them, just don't expect anyone to give a rats ass about them...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 10, 2010, 09:47:22 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 10, 2010, 07:14:36 AM
Quote from: a fine mug of pbr'th... on October 09, 2010, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 09, 2010, 03:50:22 PM
Okay, Lycoming wins today 50-0 against Albright, and we are now 50% of the way through the season - all the baloney about conference games notwithstanding.  4-1 in a ten game season is halfway no matter how you slice the baloney.

It seems it may be time for people who picked the Warriors to finish 4th in the MAC to begin to reconsider their initial assessment.

Granted the real test for the Warriors will be when they meet the remainder of the MAC:  Widener, Wilkes, DVC, FDU, and LVC.

Still - 4-1 is a great halfway point and probably better than most predicted.

Way to Go Warriors!

ATB



Huh?  ???  So lyco is 4-1 and as you say have by far their toughest games to play.
So if they go 1-4 that would put them at 5-5 for the year which would put them probably about in the middle of the conference right where some people predicted. Don't think anyone is going to retract anything until the season it complete and the ink dries. Note I don't think they will go 1-4 the rest of the way. I think based on how the MAC is shaping up they could win at least 3 of those games.


BTW....DVC is putting a beatdown on FDU right now.

The point I am trying to make but seems not to be getting through - is simply this - with no results to base their predictions on the pre-season pollsters were content to assess Lycoming as 4th in the MAC.

Now, with actual data - in other words - wins and losses - in real conditions - the tone is wait until the season finishes to see how things will sort themselves out.

It seems to me - that a 4-1 record indicates the team is better than previously regarded.

That is it - I am not suggesting they will win the MAC, beat DVC, or anything else.

And by the way Maggie - DVC spent decades in the cellar - do not even think you can begin to talk to me about everything else being last place. 

If you knew your history you would know the truth about who has the most experience with that phenomenon.

ATB

whew sounds like someone is bitter that lyco hasn't done a thing in the mac in years and teams have passed them by. Almost like the beatdowns DVC has delivered in wrestling to lyco for ages....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 10, 2010, 09:57:50 PM
I find it amusing that some fans are arguing about things like preseason polls and past glories....

In my book, the preseason poll was/is a mere formality that gives the coaches something to do on media day. Any competent coach would tel you straightaway that each team will prove it's talent on the field. True, the head coaches are the ones who vote on the poll, but it is also based mostly on what each team did last season, and on what talent each team has coming back.

If you want to use a preseason poll as a gage of respect, you may want to re-think those ideas.

As for the past glories, we were taught at Wilkes to have respect for all of the MAC programs, regardless of past histories. The team went 2-2 against both Lyco and DVC in my time with the program- all were clean, hard-fought games from what I could see. I don't think that because one program is so dominant now, and another was dominant recently, makes any one team, school, or fanbase better than the other. The Warriors put together a great game this week, and they deserve a hand for that. Same for DVC, so I suppose we will see how things shake out when everyone meets on the field later this season.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 10, 2010, 10:06:55 PM
"If you are still talking about what you did yesterday, you haven't done much today."  Most people on this board are hear to discuss the current happenings in the MAC...no one gives a rat's tail about what happened back in the day...the cold hard facts are that the class of the MAC resides in Doylestown.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 10, 2010, 10:17:04 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 10, 2010, 09:57:50 PM
I find it amusing that some fans are arguing about things like preseason polls and past glories....

In my book, the preseason poll was/is a mere formality that gives the coaches something to do on media day. Any competent coach would tel you straightaway that each team will prove it's talent on the field. True, the head coaches are the ones who vote on the poll, but it is also based mostly on what each team did last season, and on what talent each team has coming back.

If you want to use a preseason poll as a gage of respect, you may want to re-think those ideas.

As for the past glories, we were taught at Wilkes to have respect for all of the MAC programs, regardless of past histories. The team went 2-2 against both Lyco and DVC in my time with the program- all were clean, hard-fought games from what I could see. I don't think that because one program is so dominant now, and another was dominant recently, makes any one team, school, or fanbase better than the other. The Warriors put together a great game this week, and they deserve a hand for that. Same for DVC, so I suppose we will see how things shake out when everyone meets on the field later this season.



exactly g-man...damned if u do ....damned if u dont.... if no one talks about preseason or early polls you get "why is it so quiet here on the boards...." yet when early polls are put out people all get their feathers ruffled when their team isn't ranked #1....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 10, 2010, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: a fine mug of pbr'th... on October 10, 2010, 10:17:04 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 10, 2010, 09:57:50 PM
I find it amusing that some fans are arguing about things like preseason polls and past glories....

In my book, the preseason poll was/is a mere formality that gives the coaches something to do on media day. Any competent coach would tel you straightaway that each team will prove it's talent on the field. True, the head coaches are the ones who vote on the poll, but it is also based mostly on what each team did last season, and on what talent each team has coming back.

If you want to use a preseason poll as a gage of respect, you may want to re-think those ideas.

As for the past glories, we were taught at Wilkes to have respect for all of the MAC programs, regardless of past histories. The team went 2-2 against both Lyco and DVC in my time with the program- all were clean, hard-fought games from what I could see. I don't think that because one program is so dominant now, and another was dominant recently, makes any one team, school, or fanbase better than the other. The Warriors put together a great game this week, and they deserve a hand for that. Same for DVC, so I suppose we will see how things shake out when everyone meets on the field later this season.



exactly g-man...damned if u do ....damned if u dont.... if no one talks about preseason or early polls you get "why is it so quiet here on the boards...." yet when early polls are put out people all get their feathers ruffled when their team isn't ranked #1....


That's the bulk of it.

I remember the preseason poll for my freshman year, 2004,  which had Lyco edging out Wilkes by a single point for the top spot. If you were following the league then, you would see that the poll had the two best teams from last season picked to finish 1-2 for the current season.

Well, DVC sure showed Lycoming, Wilkes, and the rest who was boss in '04........ :(

On the flip side, I believe the 2005 poll had us picked fifth or sixth in the league. With the question marks we had coming into that year, we were in no position to argue. After the opening week loss at William Patterson, many fans from other teams were saying "See, told ya so!"

Well, after a 7-1 MAC record and an NCAA appearance, I think the preseason estimates may have been a bit off.  ;D  But when those picks were made, it was completely understandable.

Bottom line is...DVC is playing well, Lyco is playing well, give them all some credit. And, if you haven't noticed, a certain team in Wilkes-Barre is 2-0 in the MAC. Fans of this league look to be in for some good football, so buckle up and enjoy the ride.  :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 11, 2010, 08:16:09 AM
Thanks to all - like I said "way too quiet in here" but not lately since I stirred the pot.

Which was the point of my posts - hyperbole, nostalgia, whatever.

DVC has been the cream of the MAC lately - mostly through a coach named Magnus who has since departed the pattern and a kid named Isgro - a son of either Ernie or Dannie Isgro - both Lycoming alumni - Ernie a first-class wrestler and Dan #56 and a heck of an O lineman.

Longevity is not unimportant nor is sustained superior performance.

My earliest post this season said I thought the MAC could be a soup sandwich - and it may actually be shaping up that way.

It is hard to read emotion on something so one dimensional as this but it seems as if my thoughts generate a good bit of heat from some of you.

I find that fascinating - on so many levels.

If it is true that DVC has been the cream of the MAC lately it is equally true that Lycoming has been the cream of the MAC longer.

I do not see how you can have one without the other - since you are viewing the totality of the program.

And by the way, what is wrong with history?  You know what they say about those who forget it, right?

While Lycoming did not win the first - losing in OT; nor the second - getting a beat down from MUC; they did play in the National Championship game twice in the 90's.

The Lycoming tradition is similar to the IC success story - although to be true IC won national titles and has been more successful.

How is it that some of you cannot even keep these things straight?

And, lastly, are the DVC fans finally so thankful they are out from the Warriors shadow that they do not like to be reminded?

I doubt DVC will beat Lycoming by 74 but will stay tuned, as Pep says, to do.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 11, 2010, 08:20:19 AM
Just to be accurate - the earlier post (3 Aug) I referenced at the start of the season:

"This could be a year where everyone beats up on one another leaving the winner of the conference 6-4 or something close to that W-L record.

The MAC is always a tough place but does not always travel well either outside the conference or in the NCAA.

The powerhouses of D-III, over the last ten years, seem to be a wee-bit more sophisticated with their play calling, passing and execution.

We certainly got spoiled by those incredible Warrior teams of the mid to late 1990s.

The Sine curve of life once again over took us and we found ourselves overcome by events - at least that's what she said.

Here's to a great season for all competitors!"

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 11, 2010, 11:32:49 AM
For what it's worth, I think Lyco80 is just having some fun.  This board is more interesting when there's something to read.

Should be a good week with all four unbeaten teams playing each other.  We've got Gman back for Wilkes.  Can we get some of the Widener folks to return to the boards?  I'll try...

"Widener stinks!"*

* This does not reflect my actual sentiment.  Widener is a fine institution with a admirable athletic program.  No Widener alums were harmed in the writing of this post. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 11, 2010, 12:17:56 PM
+K Lyco for Soup Sandwich, only a squid would post that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 11, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 11, 2010, 08:16:09 AM
Thanks to all - like I said "way too quiet in here" but not lately since I stirred the pot.

Which was the point of my posts - hyperbole, nostalgia, whatever.

DVC has been the cream of the MAC lately - mostly through a coach named Magnus who has since departed the pattern and a kid named Isgro - a son of either Ernie or Dannie Isgro - both Lycoming alumni - Ernie a first-class wrestler and Dan #56 and a heck of an O lineman.

Longevity is not unimportant nor is sustained superior performance.

My earliest post this season said I thought the MAC could be a soup sandwich - and it may actually be shaping up that way.

It is hard to read emotion on something so one dimensional as this but it seems as if my thoughts generate a good bit of heat from some of you.

I find that fascinating - on so many levels.

If it is true that DVC has been the cream of the MAC lately it is equally true that Lycoming has been the cream of the MAC longer.

I do not see how you can have one without the other - since you are viewing the totality of the program.

And by the way, what is wrong with history?  You know what they say about those who forget it, right?

While Lycoming did not win the first - losing in OT; nor the second - getting a beat down from MUC; they did play in the National Championship game twice in the 90's.

The Lycoming tradition is similar to the IC success story - although to be true IC won national titles and has been more successful.

How is it that some of you cannot even keep these things straight?

And, lastly, are the DVC fans finally so thankful they are out from the Warriors shadow that they do not like to be reminded?

I doubt DVC will beat Lycoming by 74 but will stay tuned, as Pep says, to do.

ATB

>>> And, lastly, are the DVC fans finally so thankful they are out from the Warriors shadow that they do not like to be reminded? <<<

not at all....we just prefer to live in the present! At least the last 5 years....and before Isgro there was a qb named knoblauch (hint look at those records if you want to see impressive as well)

And unfortunately lyco is afraid to wrestle dvc anymore and don't have to be reminded of the past as it rarely changed and beatdowns were/are a regular occurance!...lyco's wrestling team was a good scrimmage/warm up for the D-I schools dvc wrestles...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 11, 2010, 12:25:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 11, 2010, 11:32:49 AM
For what it's worth, I think Lyco80 is just having some fun.  This board is more interesting when there's something to read.

Should be a good week with all four unbeaten teams playing each other.  We've got Gman back for Wilkes.  Can we get some of the Widener folks to return to the boards?  I'll try...

"Widener stinks!"*

* This does not reflect my actual sentiment.  Widener is a fine institution with a admirable athletic program.  No Widener alums were harmed in the writing of this post. :)

what are you switerland? take a stand  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 11, 2010, 01:07:04 PM
Are you implying that the Swiss are spineless?  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 11, 2010, 02:29:48 PM
Ah, come on PBR - you know all 16 of us are special in one way or another.  It's our diversity that makes us great AND strong!  ;)  Can't wait til the Phils play on Sat.!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 11, 2010, 04:26:05 PM
Thanks Gordo - at least someone here is reading beyond the words.

Thanks for the +k one squid to another.

By the way, when Knoblauch was qb wasn't the Coach Magnus?

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 11, 2010, 04:45:11 PM
I am already sick of the Redskin nation thinking McNabb will be their Moses. 

If you look at their offense they are averaging less than 20 points a game - which is not much offense for the NFL.

Thank goodness the Eagles won last night with Kolb.

The best news this season is that Dallas is currently 1-3 and the writers are already starting a Wade Phillips firing pool.

What a strange season - in the MAC, the NFC East.

At least the Yankees are still clicking along - perhaps to another collision with the boys from Philly.

That should be good for some chatter.

Everyone have a great week!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 12, 2010, 11:15:06 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 11, 2010, 04:45:11 PM
I am already sick of the Redskin nation thinking McNabb will be their Moses. 

If you look at their offense they are averaging less than 20 points a game - which is not much offense for the NFL.

Thank goodness the Eagles won last night with Kolb.

The best news this season is that Dallas is currently 1-3 and the writers are already starting a Wade Phillips firing pool.

What a strange season - in the MAC, the NFC East.

At least the Yankees are still clicking along - perhaps to another collision with the boys from Philly.

That should be good for some chatter.

Everyone have a great week!

ATB


I forget who it was, but one of the announcers this weekend said the difference between the Yanks and Phils compared to the other teams in the playoffs (besides the monetary ones) is when the Yanks and Phils smell blood in the water they go in for the kill.  Looking ahead as a fan I think we will have another good World Series this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 12, 2010, 11:25:40 AM
QuoteBy the way, when Knoblauch was qb wasn't the Coach Magnus?

Yep.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 14, 2010, 09:01:25 AM
Can someone please try to help me make sense of Del Vals position in the rankings. I am just a little confused why they would not be the highest ranked one loss team in the poll. Shouldn't they be ranked ahead of Central and Hardin -Simmons since their only loss came in a closely contested game against the number 3 ranked team. I understand that both of the other teams are also deserving of praise but their losses came at the hands of the number 5 and 6 ranked teams and by a greater point differential.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 14, 2010, 09:14:33 AM
#9 Central and #12 DVC are separated by a total of 27 points in the poll...

It's not like there is a huge disparity worth complaining about...

DVC also gained 20 points from week 5 to week 6...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2010, 09:41:35 PM
Last week Wilkes head coach Frank Sheptock became the Colonels' all-time leader for victories.  This week Del Val head coach Jim Clements can take over sole possession of second place for all-time victories if the Aggies beat Wilkes.

Coincidence?  Well, yes.  Nevertheless...

No. 12 Delaware Valley (4-1, 2-0 MAC)
vs.
Wilkes (3-2, 2-0 MAC)

Kickoff is at 1 pm which means pregame is scheduled for 12:40 pm ET.  Click here to listen (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx).  If that doesn't work, try this one (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-wilkes-university).  If that doesn't work, then I'm cooked. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 16, 2010, 02:36:14 PM
At the half Wilkes is leading Del Val 18/16 - DEFENSE, Please, Del Val!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 16, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
On an incredibly much brighter note, DVC Senior, Caitlin Dorgan bested 135 other runners today in a 5K race at the Un. of Delaware's Blue & Gold CC Meet with a time of 18:25.30 - AMAZING!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 16, 2010, 04:08:45 PM
whew, MUCH better defense in the second half - DVC 30/Wilkes 18.  Look out for Wilkes, people.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 16, 2010, 05:24:53 PM
MATT COOK!!!!!!!!!!!!! 324 yards -- 4 TD's!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 16, 2010, 07:01:11 PM
Quote from: kate on October 16, 2010, 04:08:45 PM
whew, MUCH better defense in the second half - DVC 30/Wilkes 18.  Look out for Wilkes, people.

Thanks for the respect, Kate  :)

A great effort today by a very young Colonels team. Stopping the run has been a problem area for Wilkes for some time, and that came up in the second half today. I'm proud to see a team come out and play against the big dog of the conference.

If anyone can find a better kicker in the MAC than Chris Horn, I would like to see it. But, as many coaches would say, we want him kicking PATs instead of field goals. Convert even one more of those FGs into a touchdown, and it could be a different game after the first possession of the second half.

Still, a great game by all involved. With no disrespect to any of their remaining opponents (sorry people) I don't see a game where the Colonels can't compete. It's a young bunch in Munson Fieldhouse, and if this group stays together and works together- on the field and in the classroom- this can be the start of a great stretch.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 16, 2010, 09:50:07 PM
Dorgan is unreal.  That's six cross country races and six first place finishes including two against Division II and Division I runners.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 17, 2010, 09:49:16 AM
That Homecoming game next week with Lycoming will be a REAL barn burner, and i hope the barn burned won't be Del Vals' (no pun intended  :D).  GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 17, 2010, 07:34:35 PM
Lycoming handled Widener easily - I was there for homecoming - the game was never in doubt or as close as the final score might lead you to believe.

Lycoming is a much-improved team and will do far better than fourth - I predict they will fall out at least as second in the MAC at 8-2.

They have a balanced attack and a tough defense especially against the run.

Next week will be a kicker - but I bought Disney on Ice tickets for the children or else I would journey to D-town to check out the doings.

The lads know DVC is for real - the Aggies had better know Lycoming is for real as well.

These boys can play - at least they sure did against Widener!

Go Yankees!  Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 17, 2010, 09:23:15 PM
Always good to see Widener lose...Aggies are also exceptionally well  balanced and can kill you with either the run or the pass...as witnessed by record setting passing performance followed by record setting run the following week. Lyco is always a tough game, regardless of their record...it win would make for an awesome homecoming!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on October 18, 2010, 09:55:49 AM
HELP WANTED:

Looking for Pollsters for a "soon to be unveiled" D3 TOP 25 FAN POLL.

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1. Commit to submit a ballot ranking the D3 Teams 1-25 by stated deadline. I'm thinking that will be midnight on Mondays.
2. Research the teams and try to be as unbiased as possible in ranking them.
3. Think through your own philosophy as to how much to weigh previous ranking, won/loss record, your sense as to who would win head to head, national performances in recent years, quality wins, and whatever reasonable criteria you care to choose.   
4. Submit a ballot EVERY WEEK by the deadline. Missing a deadline will be cause to forfeit your spot. Create and submit your ballot BEFORE viewing the D3football.com poll. You can look at previous weeks polls to get you started if you are having a hard time filling out the last few slots.

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This poll is to promote meaningful and fun discussion on d3boards.com.  It is simply something that will be fun to contrast with D3football.com's poll. D3football.com's poll is the one legitimate poll we have in D3 football in my opinion.  This poll is not even intended to become #2. I just think it would be an interesting point of comparison and discussion. 

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Send me a private message. In your message indicate:
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2. What team/conference you follow.
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The first 25 respondents will be our initial group of pollsters.  This group will remain the D3 FOOTBALL FAN POLL TOP 25 pollsters unless they resign their position or miss a deadline.  Pollsters, I will never post your names on the boards.  If you choose to, that is fine. If you are beyond the first 25 responses, your name will be placed on a "waiting list".  If there are fewer than 25 respondents by midnight on Wednesday, we will go with what we have and continue to have "open" slots to be filled.

Remember FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED!  ;)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 18, 2010, 02:15:22 PM
I actually knew about this for a few days, but coulden't say anyhting before our sports department published something. Misericordia has great facilities and a beautiful campus....great addition to the MAC football family!  :)

http://www.timesleader.com/news/Misericordia-to-field-football-team.html

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 18, 2010, 02:41:23 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 18, 2010, 02:15:22 PM
I actually knew about this for a few days, but coulden't say anyhting before our sports department published something. Misericordia has great facilities and a beautiful campus....great addition to the MAC football family!  :)

http://www.timesleader.com/news/Misericordia-to-field-football-team.html



wow...heard rumblings of this but figured it was just that...wasn't sure someone would go for it in this economy. good for Misericordia and their students and welcome to the MAC!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 18, 2010, 03:40:24 PM
Updated story from our newspaper's website:

http://www.timesleader.com/sports/Misericordia-to-field-football-team.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 18, 2010, 03:44:12 PM
Start the Miseri loves company jokes.... :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 18, 2010, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: TGP on October 18, 2010, 03:44:12 PM
Start the Miseri loves company jokes.... :P

gotta like these numbers....(opposite of rpi's)

Total Enrollment: 2,736, 71% women, 29% men. Full-time Enrollment: 1,665, 68% women, 32% men
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 18, 2010, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: a fine mug of pbr'th... on October 18, 2010, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: TGP on October 18, 2010, 03:44:12 PM
Start the Miseri loves company jokes.... :P

gotta like these numbers....(opposite of rpi's)

Total Enrollment: 2,736, 71% women, 29% men. Full-time Enrollment: 1,665, 68% women, 32% men

Mother of god, that's awesome!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 18, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
numbers are awesome - except when title IX is involved. How on earth are they going to balance an athletic department with those kinds of enrollment numbers???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 18, 2010, 05:06:02 PM
Times Leader video of today's press conference:

- http://widget.newsinc.com/single.htm?vid=104262&cid=9485&freewheel=90087&sitesection=wilkesbarre
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 18, 2010, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: bill on October 18, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
numbers are awesome - except when title IX is involved. How on earth are they going to balance an athletic department with those kinds of enrollment numbers???

Say good bye to Swimming and Tennis...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 18, 2010, 05:08:38 PM
Wow.  I didn't know this was even being considered.

It's nice to make new friends and this helps the MAC in case Stevenson's arrangement is a short one.  On the downside this will leave room for just one non-conference game.  My guess is the PAC-MAC challenge has a short life and teams will fill out game No. 10 on their own.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 18, 2010, 05:35:38 PM
Hey Gordo -

What are your thoughts on this Aggie team at #9? 

Assuming they handle Lyco this weekend, and run the table from here on out, it's kind of funny to think that when the regular season closes its possible DVC could be rated higher than all "eastern teams" in all the polls, yet not get a #1 seed, i.e., "their own bracket" (although it is possible, albeit not likely, either an undefeated Fisher and/or MSU could "pass them" in the polls by the end of the season).

Certainly not a unique situation and its possible DVC would maintain home field throughout in the event anyone was upset.  Ultimately they'd have to go on the road to MUC, Wesley etc. if they won the bracket anyway.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 18, 2010, 05:37:16 PM
I think we need to wait and see where DVC, SJF and MSU are ranked regionally before we can have this discussion...

Once we see those rankings we can get a better picture of how the NCAA perceives that loss to Wesley...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 18, 2010, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 18, 2010, 05:37:16 PM
I think we need to wait and see where DVC, SJF and MSU are ranked regionally before we can have this discussion...

Once we see those rankings we can get a better picture of how the NCAA perceives that loss to Wesley...

I completely agree on that assessment.  Still interested in Gordon's assessment of this DVC team to date.  They've been my #1 all season in the fan poll and I'd venture a guess, the early favorite to win the "east bracket" assuming a MUC isn't shipped in....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 18, 2010, 06:04:50 PM
Quote from: TGP on October 18, 2010, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 18, 2010, 05:37:16 PM
I think we need to wait and see where DVC, SJF and MSU are ranked regionally before we can have this discussion...

Once we see those rankings we can get a better picture of how the NCAA perceives that loss to Wesley...

I completely agree on that assessment.  Still interested in Gordon's assessment of this DVC team to date.  They've been my #1 all season in the fan poll and I'd venture a guess, the early favorite to win the "east bracket" assuming a MUC isn't shipped in....

They've been #1 in mine as well (my top 3 of DVC, SJF and MSU haven't changed at all)...

However, like I said to PBR, there's nothing wrong with a #2 seed in the bracket...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 18, 2010, 06:08:10 PM
Well, the Warriors are now 5-1, 60% through the season and 3-0 in the conference.

Does anyone now out there think they were underestimated in the pre-season poll, picking them fourth, or is just  a homer like me?

These boys are for real and remind me somewhat of the halcyon teams from the late 1990s with a stingy defense and balanced offense.

On another note - how sweet it is for Dallas and Washington to both lose while the Eagles win - sort of like an early Christmas present.

Go Yankees - defend this house!

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 18, 2010, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 18, 2010, 06:08:10 PM
Well, the Warriors are now 5-1, 60% through the season and 3-0 in the conference.

Does anyone now out there think they were underestimated in the pre-season poll, picking them fourth, or is just  a homer like me?

These boys are for real and remind me somewhat of the halcyon teams from the late 1990s with a stingy defense and balanced offense.

On another note - how sweet it is for Dallas and Washington to both lose while the Eagles win - sort of like an early Christmas present.

Go Yankees - defend this house!

ATB



You are really pathetic if you're putting that much into the preseason rankings...

Keep beating that dead horse...

It will get you far in life...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 18, 2010, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 18, 2010, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 18, 2010, 06:08:10 PM
Well, the Warriors are now 5-1, 60% through the season and 3-0 in the conference.

Does anyone now out there think they were underestimated in the pre-season poll, picking them fourth, or is just  a homer like me?

These boys are for real and remind me somewhat of the halcyon teams from the late 1990s with a stingy defense and balanced offense.

On another note - how sweet it is for Dallas and Washington to both lose while the Eagles win - sort of like an early Christmas present.

Go Yankees - defend this house!

ATB



You are really pathetic if you're putting that much into the preseason rankings...

Keep beating that dead horse...

It will get you far in life...

Wow, you just went all Frank Rossi on him, Upstate.  I almost feel bad for him :-O
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 18, 2010, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on October 18, 2010, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: Upstate on October 18, 2010, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 18, 2010, 06:08:10 PM
Well, the Warriors are now 5-1, 60% through the season and 3-0 in the conference.

Does anyone now out there think they were underestimated in the pre-season poll, picking them fourth, or is just  a homer like me?

These boys are for real and remind me somewhat of the halcyon teams from the late 1990s with a stingy defense and balanced offense.

On another note - how sweet it is for Dallas and Washington to both lose while the Eagles win - sort of like an early Christmas present.

Go Yankees - defend this house!

ATB



You are really pathetic if you're putting that much into the preseason rankings...

Keep beating that dead horse...

It will get you far in life...

Wow, you just went all Frank Rossi on him, Upstate.  I almost feel bad for him :-O

glad someone else said it....preseason rankings were 2 months ago!! LET IT GO ALREADY!! WE GET IT, YOUR NOT HAPPY WHERE LYCO WAS PLACED!! MOVE ON!!

Next year put out your own preseason poll and regular season poll and we will see how accurate you are and pick it apart all season and yell all season about your preseason poll....geesh...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 18, 2010, 10:14:14 PM
TGP:

It's hard for me to give an objective view of Del Val.  I've seen them far more than any other team and I love my Saturdays in Doylestown.  From the coaches to the players to the guys in the press box, it's been such a great experience the past six seasons. So my view is going to be invariably slanted.

That said, here's my take so far...

As a unit, this is the best offensive line Del Val has had since I've been following the program.  That says something considering they've had multiple All-Americans including the top Division III center in the country in 2005.  But this line opens craters for Cook to run through gives Hatty so much time to throw the ball.  They've been incredible against everyone except Wesley, which is at another level in terms of size.

The defense has been awesome.  They are undersized but really fast and playing with a ton of confidence right now.  Gesswein personifies this defense in a lot of ways - exuberant, exciting and, at times, dominant. 

That said, I think Lycoming could beat Del Val on Saturday for two reasons.

* Lycoming is running the ball really well.  Kleinfelter is having an All-American caliber year, even against good run defenses.  Last Saturday the Warriors ran for 173 yards against a really good Widener defense.  The previous high against the Pride was 92.

*  Del Val has had a troubling amount of penalties (97 yards per game).  They have had 22 15-yard penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct, personal fouls or face masks in 6 games.  That does not include 15 yard pass interference penalties.  On three occasions they have had more than one of those on the same play.  At some point this is going to cost them in a big spot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 18, 2010, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 18, 2010, 10:14:14 PM
TGP:

It's hard for me to give an objective view of Del Val.  I've seen them far more than any other team and I love my Saturdays in Doylestown.  From the coaches to the players to the guys in the press box, it's been such a great experience the past six seasons. So my view is going to be invariably slanted.

That said, here's my take so far...

As a unit, this is the best offensive line Del Val has had since I've been following the program.  That says something considering they've had multiple All-Americans including the top Division III center in the country in 2005.  But this line opens craters for Cook to run through gives Hatty so much time to throw the ball.  They've been incredible against everyone except Wesley, which is at another level in terms of size.

The defense has been awesome.  They are undersized but really fast and playing with a ton of confidence right now.  Gesswein personifies this defense in a lot of ways - exuberant, exciting and, at times, dominant. 

That said, I think Lycoming could beat Del Val on Saturday for two reasons.

* Lycoming is running the ball really well.  Kleinfelter is having an All-American caliber year, even against good run defenses.  Last Saturday the Warriors ran for 173 yards against a really good Widener defense.  The previous high against the Pride was 92.

*  Del Val has had a troubling amount of penalties (97 yards per game).  They have had 22 15-yard penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct, personal fouls or face masks in 6 games.  That does not include 15 yard pass interference penalties.  On three occasions they have had more than one of those on the same play.  At some point this is going to cost them in a big spot.

think DVC is bringing the heavy lumber this saturday....they played poorly last saturday and were looking ahead to this weeks matchup. It's homecoming and a big game on the schedule. My hunch is coach clements hasn't let them forget about mucho mistakes/turnovers last weekend. DVC is looking to let everyone know who is the top team in the mac and put their stamp on this game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 19, 2010, 08:34:11 AM
That's a great term, PBR - "heavy lumber".  I'm certainly no football genius, but it would seem discipline could control penalties, especially the unsportsmanlike variety.  It won't be easy, but if everyone does their job, it should be one heck of a game. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 21, 2010, 08:39:36 PM
gordan, i will be making the trip this week as wesley is off.  looking forward to a good game.  delval doing well and lycoming seems to be good also.  talk to you saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2010, 11:39:51 PM
Cool!  Hopefully we get a good game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 22, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 21, 2010, 11:39:51 PM
Cool!  Hopefully we get a good game.

dlip is very happy for Lyco's success thus far but is really hoping Del Val makes a statement here and delivers a monkey stomp.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 22, 2010, 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 21, 2010, 08:39:36 PM
gordan, i will be making the trip this week as wesley is off.  looking forward to a good game.  delval doing well and lycoming seems to be good also.  talk to you saturday.

good stuff...think its pretty cool you make the trip up to DVC whenever you can to take in a game...should try and repay it in kind when pbr gets a chance
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 22, 2010, 12:34:16 PM
dlip is very happy for Lyco's success thus far but is really hoping Del Val makes a statement here and delivers a monkey stomp.
[/quote]

Simba is also very happy with Lyco's success thus far and is really hoping Del Val makes a statement here and delivers EIGHT more turnovers this week to the opposition!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 22, 2010, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 22, 2010, 12:34:16 PM
dlip is very happy for Lyco's success thus far but is really hoping Del Val makes a statement here and delivers a monkey stomp.

Simba is also very happy with Lyco's success thus far and is really hoping Del Val makes a statement here and delivers EIGHT more turnovers this week to the opposition!
[/quote]

good to see you back stranger....the lyco folks have been awful quiet for many seasons now...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 22, 2010, 11:04:01 PM
For tomorrow's big game...

Lycoming (5-1, 3-0)
vs.
Delaware Valley (5-1, 3-0)

If you can't make it to Doylestown, please click here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-lycoming)to listen.  Kickoff is at 1 pm with pregame beginning at 12:40 pm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 23, 2010, 10:40:53 AM
LETS GO DVC!!! Lyco is coming to our house....DEFEND OUR HOUSE!!

TIME TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE MAC ABOUT HOW GOOD DVC IS THIS YEAR!!! THIS IS WHY YOU LIFT ALL THOSE WEIGHTS AND RUN THOSE SPRINTS TO PLAY IN GAMES LIKE THIS!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 23, 2010, 03:35:23 PM
DVC up 23-0 in the 4th.....its ovahhhhhh!!!

EDIT:  Now 30-0 ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 23, 2010, 03:48:31 PM
oooops.....  make it 36-0...


btw good game calling it gordon...sounded excellent
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 23, 2010, 03:54:30 PM
WOW, Major Congratulations to the Delaware Valley College Aggies!!!  What a GAME!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 23, 2010, 04:58:42 PM
Thanks, PBR.

Very, very impressive on defense today.  Kleinfelter held to 27 yards on 10 carries.  Getting a big lead early helped.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 23, 2010, 06:03:49 PM
With all due respect Gordon, kleinfelder faced a real defense today and found, as other RB's have, that you can't run against DVC-they are a GREAT defense! Congrats to the Aggies for an outstanding performance today!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 23, 2010, 08:35:00 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 23, 2010, 04:58:42 PM
Thanks, PBR.

Very, very impressive on defense today.  Kleinfelter held to 27 yards on 10 carries.  Getting a big lead early helped.

agreed gordon...the more this team plays the more they impress me. They have a very very good defense. Their offense can beat you through the air or rip you apart on the ground, pick your poison. Their OLine is very very good and opens gigantic holes for cook to run through or gives hatty so much time to pass. Very impressive all around team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 24, 2010, 09:27:00 AM
nice win by delval.  totally overmatched lycoming.  they controlled both lines of scrimmage the entire game.  they looked better on offense then the last time i saw them.  i predict that this team has a real, real good chance of making it to the east finals.  i have not seen montclaire play this year so i figure that they are about even by the other comments i have read.  if mount or wesley do not get shipped in then delval will be a 2 seed if montclaire goes unbeaten or a 3 if someone gets shipped in.  if they play to the level they played yesterday they will handle most teams until the final 8.  good luck the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 24, 2010, 11:15:09 AM
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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 25, 2010, 01:13:14 PM
DVC with the #1 SoS in the nation:

DIII SoS rankings (http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2010/schedule?tmpl=sos-template)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 25, 2010, 01:38:04 PM
DIII SOS  rankings, #1, AGGIE PRIDE !!!  Sure helps the psyche after a rotten Phillies weekend  Congratulations to the team, coaches, school!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 25, 2010, 09:15:43 PM
Aggies also moved up another spot on the D-3 top 25 ranking....very impressive team, well deserving of the respect...keep focused and overlook no-one!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 26, 2010, 08:10:11 AM
Quote from: maAggie on October 25, 2010, 09:15:43 PM
Aggies also moved up another spot on the D-3 top 25 ranking....very impressive team, well deserving of the respect...keep focused and overlook no-one!

true words here...no let down this week. Coming off and emotional week and big win over lyco. Hard to get emotionally up 2 weeks up a row like that, so its time to bring the lunch pail and go to work and take care of business.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 26, 2010, 08:20:23 AM
Top 25 Fan Poll is out...

http://www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com/

DVC checks in at #7...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 26, 2010, 08:50:37 AM
Well said PBR...don't want a team with nothing to play for making their season beating the Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 29, 2010, 10:24:23 PM
This place is quieter than a mime convention.  In any event...

King's (0-7, 0-4)
vs.
Delaware Valley (6-1, 4-0)


If so inclined, click here  (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-king-s)to listen with pregame coverage beginning at 1:10 pm and kickoff at 1:30 pm.  Note the later start to allow extra sleep. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on October 30, 2010, 12:12:11 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 29, 2010, 10:24:23 PM
This place is quieter than a mime convention.  In any event...

King's (0-7, 0-4)
vs.
Delaware Valley (6-1, 4-0)


If so inclined, click here  (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-king-s)to listen with pregame coverage beginning at 1:10 pm and kickoff at 1:30 pm.  Note the later start to allow extra sleep. :)

Jeez, what happened to King's? It seems like we were just there yesterday watching Steven Wilson beat the heck out of Mike Warker.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 30, 2010, 07:22:13 PM
A great day for football at Ralston Field  ;D

When I first came to Wilkes, Lycoming was the team to beat in the MAC, and Colonels-Warriors is always one of the premiere matchups of the season for me. Today's game was no different.

Again, the young Colonels on the field were most impressive. Tate Moore-Jacobs had more tackles than I could keep track of, despite missing some snaps with an injury. Kevin Gerhart came up with the play of the day with his interception return for a TD. On offense, both Wilkes QBs kept making plays to keep drives alive, setting up the big plays from both tailbacks. It was a great all-around showing for Wilkes in all three phases of the contest.

As I have said since my freshman season, Lycoming is a four-quarter game, more so than perhaps any other team in the MAC. The Warriors kept coming today, and I am proud that the Colonels rose to the occasion on series after series. Today's result means that, by my count, Wilkes has won six of their last nine matchups with Lycoming. That's a result the Colonels should be proud of, not out of arrogance or boastfulness, but out of tribute to the quality of their opponent.

On a last note, while I am much further removed from the league than I was working for the Colonels, I really believe Moore-Jacobs has to be a front-runner for MAC Rookie of the Year, if not Defensive Player of the Year. Gerhart can also make a serious case for Defensive Player of the Year. I know some people are going to come out spitting fire and throwing names at me from a certain other MAC team, but I would put those two guys up against any other players at their respective positions in the league that I have seen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2010, 12:25:37 AM
Gerhart and Moore-Jaco will be all conference and Tate is a great pick for Rookie of the Year.  But I'd be surprised if the defensive MVP doesn't come from Del Val.  Not spitting fire, but here are a few numbers for Del Val.

Points per game against: 9.1 (Top 10 in the Country coming into today)
Total yards against: 210.2 (No. 1 in the MAC)
Rushing yards against: 56.5 (Top 10 in the Country coming into today)
Passing yards against: 153.8 (No. 1 in the MAC)

If the Aggies win the conference and finish first in every major category, they will get the Defensive MVP and they should.  Plus Del Val ran for 352 yards against Wilkes a couple weeks ago.

The Aggies players don't have great numbers individually, but their defense has forced a lot of three and outs and the starters have had a lot of three quarter games.  This may be the best defense Del Val has had since 2004 and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 31, 2010, 09:46:53 AM
Well said Gordon! I think the Aggies defense showed themselves as the best defense in the conference with their total dominance of both Wilkes and Lyco. As you said there are very few 4 quarter games for the starting group as they have beaten the majority of their opponents by such a large margin. This is a fun group to watch no one runs on them, and few score TD's.

Congrats to the Aggies, coach Clem and his staff for another fine performance in beating King's. On to Albright next week and then a big finish with Widener in Doylestown!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 31, 2010, 10:53:35 AM
where did lyco80 disappear to? not peep from him after dvc laid the lumber to lyco....and hearing how lyco should of never been ranked 4th in the mac...now where is lyco in the mac standings again??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on October 31, 2010, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: PBR... on October 31, 2010, 10:53:35 AM
where did lyco80 disappear to? not peep from him after dvc laid the lumber to lyco....and hearing how lyco should of never been ranked 4th in the mac...now where is lyco in the mac standings again??

That's what he gets for not realizing the season is 10 games long...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 31, 2010, 06:25:16 PM
Gordon, good to hear from you again! Somehow I forgot to track you down during the Wilkes-DVC game this season...I will try and make up for it if you're doing any basketball games this year!

My point about the postseason awards is simply that, to me, the individual awards should go to the player who had the best season, even if he didn't play on the best team. Yes, such awards are often chocked full of guys from the top team in the league, because their outstanding play contributed to the team finishing in first place. But if a guy had the best season- not just statistically, but in terms of game-changing performances and the like- than he should get the award.

In terms of this being the best DVC defense since 2004, I can find little reason to argue. With the exception of 2009, I have been present at every Wilkes-DVC matchup since 2004, and I also watched a large percentage of their other games from 2004-2007 on film when working for the Colonels. I personally thought the 2006 defense- save for the Susuqehanna game  :P- was the best in recent years for the Aggies, but this group is as good as any. What really impressed me this year was the offensive line play, which I always felt was the weakest link on some of those very good DVC teams from a few years back.

Gordon, if you want an example of my theory, look at the MAC Freedom basketball awards from 2006-2007. If I am correct, Frank Emslie from FDU was the Player of the Year on the season, which was one of the few really good years in basketball that the Devils have had recently. His team wound up with the fourth seed in the postseason, and lost in the first round at King's. It would have been easier for a number of players from King's, DeSales, or Scranton to get the award, but I thought Emslie had the best year out of anyone I saw play in the league that year. As a result, I thought he was a deserving winner, even though his team wasn't the best in the league.

Again, just my two cents. In the end, the coaches decide these things, and they surely know better than any of us who is tops in the league at each position ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 31, 2010, 06:33:39 PM
As for our friend Lyco80, I know he is or was recently serving in the military, so all the best to him. Chances are he may have a few more important things to tend to.

But with Wilkes taking on Widener this week, I am really disappointed in the absence of the Pione...er, Pride faithful.

If you were to ask me what is the toughest environment to play in throughout the MAC, no doubt Quick Stadium is the place. As I said yesterday, Lyco has always been a fourth-quarter team to me, and DVC played well at different points in the games that I saw- just look at this year's Wilkes game as an example. But Widener was the team that really brought the lumber for four quarters when we went to play in their house. Twice, we played there and came away victorious, but only after the Pioneers (as they were called during both of those games) threw everything they had and more at us.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 03, 2010, 07:15:50 PM
G-Man, I think your rationalization is a bit skewed...no offense to the players you are championing, but, the starting D for the Aggies, collectively and individually, have out-performed all other MAC defensive teams/players by an amazing margin. They have had far less opportunities to make tackles/post statistics not only because they have seldom played 4 full quarters, but as you mentioned the offense has typically kept them off the field because of their ability to score points and the TOP they hold the ball. So, while there are certainly quality players on other teams, the Aggies defensive unit should most certainly be deserving of a multitude of post season awards.

On another note, with the Montclair loss DVC moves to #1 in the East Region..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theoriginalupstate on November 03, 2010, 07:24:13 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 03, 2010, 07:15:50 PM

On another note, with the Montclair loss DVC moves to #1 in the East Region..

I hope you're not happy about that...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ZeroMischief on November 03, 2010, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 03, 2010, 07:15:50 PMOn another note, with the Montclair loss DVC moves to #1 in the East Region..

Unfortunately, all this does is bring Mt. Union over to the East yet again, which means making the semifinals will be a much tougher task now that Montclair St. laid their egg.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 04, 2010, 06:15:00 PM
Nope...it's too bad that the current system rewards teams who won't schedule anyone tough on their schedule in order to stay undefeated....and that's really a shame.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2010, 06:44:17 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 04, 2010, 06:15:00 PM
Nope...it's too bad that the current system rewards teams who won't schedule anyone tough on their schedule in order to stay undefeated....and that's really a shame.

If that were the case, SUNY-Maritime would be the top seed, Ma.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 09:14:35 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2010, 06:44:17 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 04, 2010, 06:15:00 PM
Nope...it's too bad that the current system rewards teams who won't schedule anyone tough on their schedule in order to stay undefeated....and that's really a shame.

If that were the case, SUNY-Maritime would be the top seed, Ma.

Yeah...but they don't play anyone tough outside of their conference and play in probably the weakest conference in all of D3.  If the only "penalty" is to not give them a #1 seed, but to let them in the playoffs over another Pool C team that say has one loss in a tough conference (i.e. Fisher this year), what is the difference?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 11:51:05 AM
SUNY-Maritime isn't taking away anyone's Pool C slot, though. Someone has to get those three Pool B slots -- they are the three Pool B automatic bids, handed out in the same ratio as Pool A teams get automatic bids.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 11:53:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 11:51:05 AM
SUNY-Maritime isn't taking away anyone's Pool C slot, though. Someone has to get those three Pool B slots -- they are the three Pool B automatic bids, handed out in the same ratio as Pool A teams get automatic bids.

When was the last time a Pool B rep was from the East though?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 05, 2010, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 11:51:05 AM
SUNY-Maritime isn't taking away anyone's Pool C slot, though. Someone has to get those three Pool B slots -- they are the three Pool B automatic bids, handed out in the same ratio as Pool A teams get automatic bids.

Pat answer me this though.  What if Suny Maritime, Wesley and Salisbury make the playoffs because of the pool B.  Doesn't that mean the other pool B teams go into the pool C group?  This kind of tells me the pool B bids do effect the pool C bids.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 11:53:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 11:51:05 AM
SUNY-Maritime isn't taking away anyone's Pool C slot, though. Someone has to get those three Pool B slots -- they are the three Pool B automatic bids, handed out in the same ratio as Pool A teams get automatic bids.

When was the last time a Pool B rep was from the East though?

Even though the East Region has the most teams, we seem to get a lot shipped over this way come playoff time?  Adding a Pool B to the East hurts...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 11:57:08 AM
The Empire 8 and NJAC didn't used to have automatic bids. But again, that doesn't really matter. The committee will take their at-large teams from wherever. Doesn't matter if a Pool B team is from the East -- that doesn't keep the committee from taking any other teams from the East as well. They don't care if the East has 6, 7, 8, 9 representatives.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 11:59:22 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 11:54:58 AM
Even though the East Region has the most teams, we seem to get a lot shipped over this way come playoff time?  Adding a Pool B to the East hurts...

No, really it doesn't.

East has the most teams but remember 10 have declared themselves ineligible.

Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 05, 2010, 11:54:32 AM
Pat answer me this though.  What if Suny Maritime, Wesley and Salisbury make the playoffs because of the pool B.  Doesn't that mean the other pool B teams go into the pool C group?  This kind of tells me the pool B bids do effect the pool C bids.

They do go into Pool C and are considered, but no Pool B team has ever gotten a Pool C bid in football. It isn't impossible, but then again, it's never happened. I don't think Case would be ahead of the other Pool C candidates this year, either.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 11:57:08 AM
The Empire 8 and NJAC didn't used to have automatic bids. But again, that doesn't really matter. The committee will take their at-large teams from wherever. Doesn't matter if a Pool B team is from the East -- that doesn't keep the committee from taking any other teams from the East as well. They don't care if the East has 6, 7, 8, 9 representatives.

I don't buy it...I can see the committee saying that one region already has too many reps, and simply choosing another Pool C rep if a Pool B rep seems to overload the East.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:01:20 PM
Well, honestly, that just isn't the way the committee works. The East is so compact geographically that it can export teams as well as it can import them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 11:59:22 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 11:54:58 AM
Even though the East Region has the most teams, we seem to get a lot shipped over this way come playoff time?  Adding a Pool B to the East hurts...

No, really it doesn't.

East has the most teams but remember 10 have declared themselves ineligible.

Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 05, 2010, 11:54:32 AM
Pat answer me this though.  What if Suny Maritime, Wesley and Salisbury make the playoffs because of the pool B.  Doesn't that mean the other pool B teams go into the pool C group?  This kind of tells me the pool B bids do effect the pool C bids.

They do go into Pool C and are considered, but no Pool B team has ever gotten a Pool C bid in football. It isn't impossible, but then again, it's never happened. I don't think Case would be ahead of the other Pool C candidates this year, either.

Even considering the NESCAC then, we have about the same amount of teams as the other regions then and still get a lot shipped our way.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:01:20 PM
Well, honestly, that just isn't the way the committee works. The East is so compact geographically that it can export teams as well as it can import them.

When is the last time we exported a team?  Recent history says all the committee does is import teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 05, 2010, 12:04:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 11:59:22 AM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 11:54:58 AM
Even though the East Region has the most teams, we seem to get a lot shipped over this way come playoff time?  Adding a Pool B to the East hurts...

No, really it doesn't.

East has the most teams but remember 10 have declared themselves ineligible.

Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 05, 2010, 11:54:32 AM
Pat answer me this though.  What if Suny Maritime, Wesley and Salisbury make the playoffs because of the pool B.  Doesn't that mean the other pool B teams go into the pool C group?  This kind of tells me the pool B bids do effect the pool C bids.

They do go into Pool C and are considered, but no Pool B team has ever gotten a Pool C bid in football. It isn't impossible, but then again, it's never happened. I don't think Case would be ahead of the other Pool C candidates this year, either.

Ok, I see that.  Let me ask you this then.  What do you think would have happened if this was the year the E8 lost an automatic bid and all the teams were pool B instead of pool C or A?  It kind of makes it a different ball game and now you have to worry about SJF, Ithaca or Alfred possibly getting a pool B bid over Suny Maritime.  (A different question I know, but I kind of get this feeling that pool b teams have an advantage over pool C teams this year)

And I assume the NCAA has the right to pull away a pool B bid if the conferences/Independents/small conferences align themselves in a certain way.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

If SJF doesn't make it in as a Pool C this year (if Alfred wins the E8), and SUNY-Maritine makes it in as a Pool B, then yes...that is a bad thing...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 05, 2010, 12:06:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

I think its a bad thing.  If the NCAA decided to give out one more pool C bid this year and take away a pool B team, then SUNY Maritime gets lumped in with better eastern teams that probably have a better chance in the playoffs/beating MUC (Cortland, SJF, Montcliar, Rowan, Ithaca, Hobart)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:59:12 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

If SJF doesn't make it in as a Pool C this year (if Alfred wins the E8), and SUNY-Maritine makes it in as a Pool B, then yes...that is a bad thing...

If SUNY-Maritime makes it as a Pool B, St. John Fisher's Pool C candidacy is not affected. They are not related items.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 05, 2010, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:59:12 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

If SJF doesn't make it in as a Pool C this year (if Alfred wins the E8), and SUNY-Maritine makes it in as a Pool B, then yes...that is a bad thing...

If SUNY-Maritime makes it as a Pool B, St. John Fisher's Pool C candidacy is not affected. They are not related items.

I think we are saying that in theory, they could be related.  Like if Wesley goes 10-0, Salisbury goes 9-1, SJF goes 9-1, Suny Maritime goes 9-1 and Case Western goes 9-1.

In theory you have 4 of those teams eligible for the pool B slots, and then the one that gets left out can compete against SJF for the pool C slot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 01:09:48 PM
Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 05, 2010, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:59:12 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

If SJF doesn't make it in as a Pool C this year (if Alfred wins the E8), and SUNY-Maritine makes it in as a Pool B, then yes...that is a bad thing...

If SUNY-Maritime makes it as a Pool B, St. John Fisher's Pool C candidacy is not affected. They are not related items.

I think we are saying that in theory, they could be related.  Like if Wesley goes 10-0, Salisbury goes 9-1, SJF goes 9-1, Suny Maritime goes 9-1 and Case Western goes 9-1.

In theory you have 4 of those teams eligible for the pool B slots, and then the one that gets left out can compete against SJF for the pool C slot.

Exactly...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 05, 2010, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 11:53:11 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 11:51:05 AM
SUNY-Maritime isn't taking away anyone's Pool C slot, though. Someone has to get those three Pool B slots -- they are the three Pool B automatic bids, handed out in the same ratio as Pool A teams get automatic bids.

When was the last time a Pool B rep was from the East though?

Hmm... I think it may be Brockport in 2003?? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 05, 2010, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:59:12 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

If SJF doesn't make it in as a Pool C this year (if Alfred wins the E8), and SUNY-Maritine makes it in as a Pool B, then yes...that is a bad thing...

If SUNY-Maritime makes it as a Pool B, St. John Fisher's Pool C candidacy is not affected. They are not related items.

I think we are saying that in theory, they could be related.  Like if Wesley goes 10-0, Salisbury goes 9-1, SJF goes 9-1, Suny Maritime goes 9-1 and Case Western goes 9-1.

In theory you have 4 of those teams eligible for the pool B slots, and then the one that gets left out can compete against SJF for the pool C slot.

That's the only case in which it's possible -- not that SUNY-Maritime's Pool B candidacy takes away from Fisher or someone else, but that Maritime's Pool C candidacy does so. But if Maritime gets in the field as a Pool B (bolded above) then it doesn't affect anyone else in the East.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 05, 2010, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 05, 2010, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:59:12 PM
Quote from: Yanks 99 on November 05, 2010, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
If the committee decides nine teams qualify, it will take nine teams. In recent history, the East hasn't had enough teams to qualify. Having a Pool B team in the East is actually good for the East, but I get the impression you think it's a bad thing.

If SJF doesn't make it in as a Pool C this year (if Alfred wins the E8), and SUNY-Maritine makes it in as a Pool B, then yes...that is a bad thing...

If SUNY-Maritime makes it as a Pool B, St. John Fisher's Pool C candidacy is not affected. They are not related items.

I think we are saying that in theory, they could be related.  Like if Wesley goes 10-0, Salisbury goes 9-1, SJF goes 9-1, Suny Maritime goes 9-1 and Case Western goes 9-1.

In theory you have 4 of those teams eligible for the pool B slots, and then the one that gets left out can compete against SJF for the pool C slot.

That's the only case in which it's possible -- not that SUNY-Maritime's Pool B candidacy takes away from Fisher or someone else, but that Maritime's Pool C candidacy does so. But if Maritime gets in the field as a Pool B (bolded above) then it doesn't affect anyone else in the East.

Well only if the NCAA thinks SUNY Maritime is better than Case Western, and Case Western gets in as a pool C (10-0) over an SJF at 9-1.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 04:30:14 PM
Case Western isn't going to finish 10-0, though.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 05, 2010, 04:31:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 04:30:14 PM
Case Western isn't 10-0, though.

Right I was talking about my scenerio.  And if a 9-1 Case Western made it over a 9-1 SJF in the pool C, they would have gotten it anyway.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2010, 04:34:59 PM
Gotcha. I didn't realize you were talking hypothetical. Hey, hypothetically we could have had more unbeaten Pool B teams than Pool B spots any year in the past 11 but it hasn't happened. We're safe from that again this year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2010, 10:34:06 PM
Speaking of the playoffs...

Delaware Valley (7-1, 5-0)
vs.
Albright(5-3, 3-2)

The Aggies will try to clinch a share of their third consecutive MAC title and their second consecutive NCAA playoff bid against the team that ended their postseason run last year.  Pregame coverage begins at 12:40 pm with kickoff at 1 pm.  Click here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-albright) to listen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 06, 2010, 08:13:17 AM
For those of you who wondered where I went two responses:

First, I have been busy with my job defending the United States of America which often requires travel including overseas.

Second, my home pc crashed and burned and while I might monitor the D-3 page at work as some of our posters do I am really not permitted to chat and post since I am on company time.

Now, as to recent events, naturally I was disappointed with the DVC game - but as one poster wished it was not 74-0 although the final score was little solace. 

The Wilkes game surprised me too as I figured the score would be closer.

Still, with two games remaining Lycoming may still end up at 7-3 which is very respectable for a team picked to finish 4th overall.

Finally, I do not get all the emotion my posts generate - which sort of reminds me of one of the last lines of "Good Morning Vietnam" where the general says, "this is just radio and you are an xxxxxxx" to the sergeant major.

After all, this is just football . . .

Happy Birthday to all Marines - 10 November 1775!

Happy Veteran's Day to all who served, are serving, and are in danger even now.

Great to see a post from my friend Simba - now there was a football monster!!!!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 06, 2010, 10:10:25 AM
Good morning Lyco!  Personally, i enjoy getting a little emotional over sports - it takes one's mind off every other rotten thing going on in the world;  it's the BEST diversion & it's real! :)  This Aggie run over the past several years has made a football fan out of  me, and i always thought basketball & Phillies baseball were the be all and end all.  Yes, Happy Veteran's Day.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 06, 2010, 03:57:45 PM
Congrats to all the players, coaches, and everyone associated with DelVal on a HUGE win over Albright and more important a Three Peat MAC Championship. Great job Aggies
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 06, 2010, 04:18:22 PM
All right, let me get this on the record, the Warriors will be lucky if they can finish 4th in the MAC in 2010.  What on earth was I thinking???????

You cannot give up turnovers that lead to points and expect to win at most levels and that was certainly true today - 14 gift points.

So I guess I have only one question left - which Lycoming team will show up next week - the squad that beat Albright 50-0 or the gang that can't seem to shoot straight and let down for Wilkes and LVC?

I suppose this is all part of the drama of sport - frankly it was more fun when they were winning.

Good luck to DVC and maybe Wilkes as they move on into the NCAA playoffs - go get 'em from the MAC!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 06, 2010, 05:17:52 PM
Congrats to DelVal on another MAC championship and trip to the NCAA's! Way to go!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2010, 12:18:05 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 06, 2010, 05:17:52 PM
Congrats to DelVal on another MAC championship and trip to the NCAA's! Way to go!

Speaking of DV, they just hit the jackpot with a $30M gift from a local philanthropic group:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101107/ap_on_re_us/us_delaware_valley_college_gift

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jon Morse on November 11, 2010, 10:35:47 AM
MAC and NJAC announce MAC-NJAC Challenge for 2012 and 2013 (http://www.njacsports.com/custompages/football/2010%20Releases/MAC-NJAC%20Challenge.pdf)

The conferences will pair up opponents for non-conference games the next two seasons.  The already-existing TCNJ/Florham series will be part of the rotation, and the big money matchup looks to be Rowan/DelVal.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 11, 2010, 10:37:59 AM
Yep.  Jon beat me to it.  Good to have a new poster on the board.

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Interesting news out of the NJAC and MAC today...

MAC-NJAC Challenge announced

The MAC currently has a "challenge" with the Presidents' Athletic Conference in West Pennsylvania for 2010 and 2011.  In that format the first place teams as determined by the 2009 standings play each other for two years as do the second place teams, etc.  Thomas More doesn't participate given its distance and traditional rivalries outside the conference.

This challenge has a different format.  There are predetermined match ups, some of which have been happening for a while (TCNJ-FDU-Florham) and some of which are new, at least for the regular season (Lycoming-Brockport, Del Val-Rowan).  Stevenson, which will join the MAC in 2011, will not participate nor will Misericordia which is adding football.  In the NJAC Cortland State will not participate.  Buffalo State is leaving the Conference to join the Empire 8.

It's a nice idea to help both conferences fill out their schedules.  From Del Val's perspective, it adds the big non-conference challenge that the Aggies have recently had in Wesley.  Wesley drops off Del Val's schedule next year with the addition of Stevenson and two year contracts in place with W&J and Muhlenberg.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jon Morse on November 11, 2010, 10:43:52 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 11, 2010, 10:37:59 AM
Yep.  Jon beat me to it.

I only beat you to it because you had more to say about it.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ZeroMischief on November 11, 2010, 11:12:06 AM
Very glad to see DVC picks up a strong out of conference game for 2012-13.  The Wesley game always helped keep DVC in front of the rest of the MAC as far as preparation goes when it came time for conference play.  Was hoping the W&J game added to that, but the Presidents were far from a threat this year.  GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 13, 2010, 02:45:33 PM
Del val tied with widener at 13 at the half.  WTF  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 13, 2010, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 13, 2010, 02:45:33 PM
Del val tied with widener at 13 at the half.  WTF  ??? ??? ???

Order being restored, 27-13 Del Val now early in the 4th. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 13, 2010, 03:52:16 PM
Widener making it interesting with Del Val, inside the 20 with less than 20 seconds left, down 27-20...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 13, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
4th down... Touchdown Widener with no time left! Widener went for two!  28-27 Widener beats Del Val!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 13, 2010, 03:56:49 PM
It kills me to say this as a DelVal alum but i have to take my hat off to Widener today. The gutty call to go for a 2 pt conversion was fantastic. Well done to the whole staff, and players for playing hard.

To the DVC seniors, dont let this loss effect the playoffs next week. shake it off and get ready for your run through the NCAA's
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 13, 2010, 04:00:14 PM
Amen to that DVCFan11!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 13, 2010, 04:01:41 PM
Unfortunately the loss means you may see MTU in the 2nd round instead of the 3rd round.  Even then, DVC's first round opponent will be no push over now.  And will it be at home?  Many questions here now. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 13, 2010, 04:05:07 PM
If I had to guess, I'd say they are on the road at Rowan next week.  We'll see.

Great win by Widener.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 13, 2010, 04:07:20 PM
Is there a real possibility that DVC will now have to go completely on the road now?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 13, 2010, 04:08:51 PM
Yeah.  Cortland and Rowan both will move in front of Del Val in the rankings.  Montclair will, too, but not sure if they'll make the playoffs.  The Aggies get some help with Maine Maritime losing, which means Endicott can go somewhere.

My guess is...

Mount Union vs. St. Lawrence
Rowan vs. Endicott
Alfred vs. Cortland State
Delaware Valley vs. SUNY Maritime.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 13, 2010, 04:09:11 PM
Quote from: DVCFan11 on November 13, 2010, 04:07:20 PM
Is there a real possibility that DVC will now have to go completely on the road now?

Definitely.  The loss pushes them down to the 5th seed in my mind.  Below MTU, 2 NJAC teams, and SUNY-Maritime
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 13, 2010, 04:11:16 PM
wow thats huge to fall from the first to fifth or worse.. i would love to see a Rowan-DVC game though.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 13, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
Well, that makes for an interesting Saturday.  :o

While the game was not the most exciting or well-played, congrats to Coach Shep and the Colonels on bringing back the Mayor's Cup to Ralston Field. It's always a treat to win against your cross-town rival, esp. after a one-sided loss this season.

My best wishes go to the Wilkes seniors- it was a pleasure to work with this group for one year, and watch them from the grandstands for three more seasons. A great group of student-athletes and friends who have bright careers ahead of them.

When I look at today's results, for as proud as I am of a great year for Wilkes, one lesson I hope that the returning players take away from this season is "win at Widener." By my calculations, while DVC would still have gotten the automatic NCAA bid, the loss last Saturday in Chester cost the Colonels a share of the MAC title. Still a great season, but it could have gone out much sweeter if they could redo one quarter. I was a part of two Wilkes wins at Quick Stadium (2004 and 2006) and with the exception of Susquehanna (seriously!) there was no team that played harder for four quarters. A win at Widener is never easy and is always remembered...hopefully the Colonels can get back in the drivers seat in the series next season.

In any event, a good season for Wilkes, much better than many had thought prior to the start of the season. For the returning players, the chance to have some special seasons over the next few years is there to grasp. If everyone stays out of trouble, keeps their heads in their books, and trains up to their best potential, it can be one heck of a show at Ralston Field....

Best wishes to the Aggies and their fans in the NCAAs...have fun and represent the MAC with pride. To the Colonels, congrats again on a good year, and here's hoping for an ECAC bid. And to all the student-athletes we are so eager to cheer on...best wishes on a safe and sucessful offseason. The chance to earn a degree and play football at any of the MAC schools is a special opportunity...enjoy it and make the most of your time on the field and off of it. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 13, 2010, 07:28:47 PM
Wow - did not see the DVC loss coming today at all against Widener.  Lycoming beat Widener during homecoming - saw the game and it was not really a close affair.  When I speculated, erroneously I might point out, earlier in the season that the MAC may be a split contest for first it was this sort of outcome I envisioned.  Lycoming beat Albright and Widener but was toasted by Wilkes, DVC, and Lebanon Valley.  Sometimes it is hard to see a trend in the MAC as what seems to be an advantage one week evaporates the next.

Regardless, sad to see another regular season come to a close but my best wishes to all teams still playing from the MAC and all seniors and their parents - the true supporters in more ways than one.

Here's to an Eagle win over the Redskins Monday night.

And an early Thanksgiving to all posters and hearty welcome home to Chaplain Michael Chaney who returns from one year overseas in Djibouti, Africa!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 13, 2010, 08:29:37 PM
ok, what the heck happened.  i thought delval had a good shot to go deep into the playoffs, but you cant lose to widener.  good luck next week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 13, 2010, 09:06:18 PM
Hey Widener !

Good show of guts today. Attaway!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on November 13, 2010, 11:55:36 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 13, 2010, 08:29:37 PM
ok, what the heck happened.  i thought delval had a good shot to go deep into the playoffs, but you cant lose to widener.  good luck next week.
While I am happy for Coach Collins (remember him from my Hobart days when he was on the Statesmen staff), I (like many others) was stunned by this result.

Not sure if DVC "took the day off" or simply got beat.  I expect it was more of the latter which is really disappointing given how strong DVC has seemed all season.  This will certainly hurt them seeding wise but I am hopeful they will still make it to the regional finals and make a decent showing for the "east".  Of course, Cortland or other teams may do the same, but given the Wesley game, etc. it seemed like DVC was poised for a run....

This Widener loss calls that into question, but congrats to WU and Coach C.  Going for two and the win - gotta love it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
We'll have to see how healthy Del Val is.  On the last play of the game, they were missing three starters on defense including two on the line.  That's not to take anything away from Widener, mind you.  The Pride earned the win.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jon Morse on November 14, 2010, 01:42:30 AM
After reading the game story on the Widener/DelVal game, I only have three words.  The first two are "Giant" and "Brass".  Must have been incredible to see that ending.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 14, 2010, 09:05:46 AM
tgp, i agree.  after seeing them twice this year, i was suprised that they gave up 28 points to anyone.  if what gordon says is true with injuries, then that makes more sense.  making the region finals gets much tougher with the lose.  d3 projects delval to travel to rowan in round one.  tough lose, but i suspect that if the injuries are just game day things and the starting d is back next week they will beat whomever they play.  good luck next week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2010, 04:55:00 PM
Jon:

Not surprised at all that Widener went for it.  They had all the momentum and nothing to lose. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jon Morse on November 14, 2010, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 14, 2010, 04:55:00 PMNot surprised at all that Widener went for it.  They had all the momentum and nothing to lose.

I wouldn't say I was "surprised" either, given the situation, but I'd say the number of coaches who'd opt to kick the PAT and go to overtime vastly outnumbers the ones who'll let it ride.  Plus, if I were a Widener fan sitting in the stands, watching them score the TD in that fashion and then miss the PAT would be like inflating a party balloon to the size of a minivan then popping it.  ;)

Regardless, any game that ends like that is a classic, and that's the main thing I was getting at.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2010, 07:26:07 PM
Agreed.  Great (or exceedingly painful) finish depending on your point of view. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 15, 2010, 08:30:31 AM
Good morning Gordon!  It was PAINFUL to listen to as an Aggie fan, but i'm just darn glad they have the home game on Saturday!  We'll undoubtedly be at a basketball game, but still very happy that the men get to WIN ONE MORE on their home turf!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 15, 2010, 09:41:31 AM
Also, BEST luck to  Wilkes next Saturday playing Moravian!  Go get those Hounds! :)!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 15, 2010, 10:06:54 AM
Congrats also to Leb Val on its ECAC appearance.  Very nice turn around after a tough start.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 15, 2010, 10:24:43 AM
Thanks for mentioning LebVal, Gordon!  Come on Dutchmen, knock off that team from Johns Hopkins!!  We'll be rooting for our three MAC teams BIG time on Saturday, probably from a basketball game!  What a great time of year!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 15, 2010, 08:10:58 PM
First let me say what an disappointing loss the Aggies had on Saturday against Widener! Unfortunately, this loss has made a "run" in the post season a most difficult task. Salisbury is certainly a difficult team to start with, thankfully home field can be a help. Looking forward to seeing a re-focused DelVal squad show us some of that impressiveness they exhibited previously.

Here's hoping that Wilkes reminds Moravian why they left the MAC, and Leb Val puts a whooping on J Hop!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2010, 09:47:46 PM
Hey, folks -- our friends at d3photography.com (not part of the network, but a partner) is hosting D3football.com's bracket challenge this season. Go sign up and fill out a bracket at:
http://www.d3photography.com/pickem/

As usual no prizes, which protects student-athletes and coaches from NCAA issues.

This season, one sign-up gets you access to all bracket challenges -- no more signing back up for D3hoops.com brackets in the spring.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 16, 2010, 10:35:14 AM
Best of luck to all the MAC teams this coming weekend in the playoffs, or your respective ECAC Bowl Games. Show the NCAA how good we are. To EVERY MAC senior thanks for a great four years, i hope you all enjoyed your time on the field regardless of your win / loss record. As a alum i can say that you never forget the good times with your teammates and friends regardless of how the season turned out.

Now on to DVC. Does anyone have any information on Salisbury? I know back in 2006 and 2007 (i believe that was the seasons we played them) they were a very tough out. They always seemed to keep fighting, and had a very good ground attack. I remember the ECAC Bowl game in 2006, which might i add Westbrook was there to support his cuz which was fantastic to see, that they stunned the Aggies. This should be a great game in which hopefully the Aggies advance, then have a MOUNTAIN of a task against the Purple Raiders.. but one step at a time.

One more thing, i know im prob wayyy behind in asking this but i have been tied up at work. How did Rowan not get into the tourney? i thought they would have gotten in at least as a bottom seed. anyone have any info?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 16, 2010, 03:14:41 PM
Congrats to Coach Clement, Matt Cook and Kyle Gesswein on their Player/Coach of the year awards! Well deserved!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 16, 2010, 03:46:27 PM
QuoteDoes anyone have any information on Salisbury? I know back in 2006 and 2007 (i believe that was the seasons we played them) they were a very tough out. They always seemed to keep fighting, and had a very good ground attack.

They run the ball like a mother****er and are very athletic. they can be suspect on D but have had some stellar defensive performances against some decent squads (Wesley). dlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season. Good luck to both teams though and hopefully Del Val can prove dlip wrong.

QuoteHow did Rowan not get into the tourney? i thought they would have gotten in at least as a bottom seed. anyone have any info?

Rowan's loss to MSU really did them in and left room #'s wise for them to be left out. We saw that with MSU getting the nod and the bid. Rowan has yet to show any consistent success like in years past and it seems as if in the past few years the potential is always drowned by a poor loss (not that MSU (who was nationally ranked at the time) was an awful loss) that results in them not winning the NJAC and not getting a bid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 19, 2010, 09:20:54 PM
This page is so quiet, when I put a post on the board, I expect to see an echo.  Nevertheless...

#5 Salisbury (8-2)
vs.
#4 Delaware Valley (8-2)

The NCAA playoffs begin tomorrow at 12 ET and you can hear the Aggies/Sea Gulls with pregame at 11:40 am by clicking here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-salisbury).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 20, 2010, 08:00:12 AM
gordan, enjoy the game today, you should get to see a good one.  if wesley wasnt playing i would be making the trip to delval for this one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 01:09:57 PM
DVC 9-0 at halftime should have more points owned the entire half-hope it doesn't  bite them
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maxpower on November 20, 2010, 07:29:01 PM
East Bowl 2010: Alfred v. DVC in the quarters.... you heard it here first!!  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 20, 2010, 07:31:51 PM
Quote from: maxpower on November 20, 2010, 07:29:01 PM
East Bowl 2010: Alfred v. DVC in the quarters.... you heard it here first!!  ;)

Is that the consolation game while Cortland and MTU are playing in the National Quarterfinals? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 23, 2010, 08:39:26 AM
Any Del Val posters out there?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 23, 2010, 09:25:03 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

I wouldn't say a salisbury win prediction would be like smokin bones.  If DVC can lose to Widener, they can lose to Salisbury or any east team with a winning record for that matter.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 23, 2010, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 23, 2010, 09:25:03 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

I wouldn't say a salisbury win prediction would be like smokin bones.  If DVC can lose to Widener, they can lose to Salisbury or any east team with a winning record for that matter.

I love the analogy 'like smokin' bones'.  Cracks me up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 23, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

O.K. pbr, U89 and dlip know nothing about football and our football picks/opinions are ish and garbage because our picks are different from yours or because they went against your team? wa wa wa cry dlip a ****ing river dick. Next time Del Val does not want to be questioned tell them not to lose to a ****ing **** team in Widener the week berfore the playoffs...injuries or not. If a team loses to Widener and then faces a team that played Wesley as good, if not better than Del Val, dlip wouldn't say it's garbage to pick them to to lose. dlip is hoping the Aggies can give Mount all they can handle...but he shouldn't even express an opinion or thought though dickhead unless it corresponds with yours  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 23, 2010, 09:49:06 AM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

dlip posted about his "crow feast" on another board for his wrong pick, it happens, and dlip is definitely behind the Aggies as they head to Alliance and fight to take down the Mount. They deserve credit for their victory over a very talented Gulls team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 23, 2010, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

O.K. pbr, U89 and dlip know nothing about football and our football picks/opinions are ish and garbage because our picks are different from yours or because they went against your team? wa wa wa cry dlip a ****ing river dick. Next time Del Val does not want to be questioned tell them not to lose to a ****ing **** team in Widener the week berfore the playoffs...injuries or not. If a team loses to Widener and then faces a team that played Wesley as good, if not better than Del Val, dlip wouldn't say it's garbage to pick them to to lose. dlip is hoping the Aggies can give Mount all they can handle...but he shouldn't even express an opinion or thought though dickhead unless it corresponds with yours  :P

Or you can stop smokin bones.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 23, 2010, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: maxpower on November 20, 2010, 07:29:01 PM
East Bowl 2010: Alfred v. DVC in the quarters.... you heard it here first!!  ;)

+K Pep would LOVE to see this matchup.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 23, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 23, 2010, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

O.K. pbr, U89 and dlip know nothing about football and our football picks/opinions are ish and garbage because our picks are different from yours or because they went against your team? wa wa wa cry dlip a ****ing river dick. Next time Del Val does not want to be questioned tell them not to lose to a ****ing **** team in Widener the week berfore the playoffs...injuries or not. If a team loses to Widener and then faces a team that played Wesley as good, if not better than Del Val, dlip wouldn't say it's garbage to pick them to to lose. dlip is hoping the Aggies can give Mount all they can handle...but he shouldn't even express an opinion or thought though dickhead unless it corresponds with yours  :P

Or you can stop smokin bones.

...haven't for years  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 23, 2010, 12:57:31 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 23, 2010, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

O.K. pbr, U89 and dlip know nothing about football and our football picks/opinions are ish and garbage because our picks are different from yours or because they went against your team? wa wa wa cry dlip a ****ing river dick. Next time Del Val does not want to be questioned tell them not to lose to a ****ing **** team in Widener the week berfore the playoffs...injuries or not. If a team loses to Widener and then faces a team that played Wesley as good, if not better than Del Val, dlip wouldn't say it's garbage to pick them to to lose. dlip is hoping the Aggies can give Mount all they can handle...but he shouldn't even express an opinion or thought though dickhead unless it corresponds with yours  :P

Or you can stop smokin bones.

...haven't for years  ;)

Haven't stopped for years?  Way to go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 23, 2010, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on November 23, 2010, 12:57:31 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 23, 2010, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

O.K. pbr, U89 and dlip know nothing about football and our football picks/opinions are ish and garbage because our picks are different from yours or because they went against your team? wa wa wa cry dlip a ****ing river dick. Next time Del Val does not want to be questioned tell them not to lose to a ****ing **** team in Widener the week berfore the playoffs...injuries or not. If a team loses to Widener and then faces a team that played Wesley as good, if not better than Del Val, dlip wouldn't say it's garbage to pick them to to lose. dlip is hoping the Aggies can give Mount all they can handle...but he shouldn't even express an opinion or thought though dickhead unless it corresponds with yours  :P

Or you can stop smokin bones.

...haven't for years  ;)

Haven't stopped for years?  Way to go.

No no no KS haven't smoked bones for....ah **** it, mother****ers are getting annoying... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: union89 on November 23, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on November 23, 2010, 12:57:31 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on November 23, 2010, 10:00:08 AM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

O.K. pbr, U89 and dlip know nothing about football and our football picks/opinions are ish and garbage because our picks are different from yours or because they went against your team? wa wa wa cry dlip a ****ing river dick. Next time Del Val does not want to be questioned tell them not to lose to a ****ing **** team in Widener the week berfore the playoffs...injuries or not. If a team loses to Widener and then faces a team that played Wesley as good, if not better than Del Val, dlip wouldn't say it's garbage to pick them to to lose. dlip is hoping the Aggies can give Mount all they can handle...but he shouldn't even express an opinion or thought though dickhead unless it corresponds with yours  :P

Or you can stop smokin bones.

...haven't for years  ;)

Haven't stopped for years?  Way to go.

No no no KS haven't smoked bones for....ah **** it, mother****ers are getting annoying... ;)


I'm really not sure how my name even fell into this string....I was bored and figured I'd look in the MAC board, which I never enter.  Did I post in here when I was stoned or something?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: theaprof on November 23, 2010, 08:42:53 PM
Any DelVal fans coming to Alliance this weekend that would like to trade hats or t-shirts with a UMU supporter?  I've been trading for the last few years and have stuff from Bridgewater, Whitewater, Cortland, Christopher Newport, etc.  Just trying to add to my collection.  PM me if you are interested.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 23, 2010, 09:03:16 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

O.K. pbr, U89 and dlip know nothing about football and our football picks/opinions are ish and garbage because our picks are different from yours or because they went against your team? wa wa wa cry dlip a ****ing river dick. Next time Del Val does not want to be questioned tell them not to lose to a ****ing **** team in Widener the week berfore the playoffs...injuries or not. If a team loses to Widener and then faces a team that played Wesley as good, if not better than Del Val, dlip wouldn't say it's garbage to pick them to to lose. dlip is hoping the Aggies can give Mount all they can handle...but he shouldn't even express an opinion or thought though dickhead unless it corresponds with yours  :P

what a f'n tool....what are u next gonna tell us how much u bench press and run a blazin' 40? don't choke on it while your smokin' your bone...could f'n care less who you pick but when u can't see the forest through the trees well that shows your intelligence...go stick jug a nice jug of merlot down your throat and play jenga w/ the rest of those tools and fools from da U and tell anyone who listens and cares anymore about how union was relevant back in the 70s and ruled eastern football....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 23, 2010, 09:12:10 PM
Quote from: PBR... on November 23, 2010, 09:03:16 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

O.K. pbr, U89 and dlip know nothing about football and our football picks/opinions are ish and garbage because our picks are different from yours or because they went against your team? wa wa wa cry dlip a ****ing river dick. Next time Del Val does not want to be questioned tell them not to lose to a ****ing **** team in Widener the week berfore the playoffs...injuries or not. If a team loses to Widener and then faces a team that played Wesley as good, if not better than Del Val, dlip wouldn't say it's garbage to pick them to to lose. dlip is hoping the Aggies can give Mount all they can handle...but he shouldn't even express an opinion or thought though dickhead unless it corresponds with yours  :P

what a f'n tool....what are u next gonna tell us how much u bench press and run a blazin' 40? don't choke on it while your smokin' your bone...could f'n care less who you pick but when u can't see the forest through the trees well that shows your intelligence...go stick jug a nice jug of merlot down your throat and play jenga w/ the rest of those tools and fools from da U and tell anyone who listens and cares anymore about how union was relevant back in the 70s and ruled eastern football....

PBR you are out of line.  Just because someone picks Del Val to lose means they have to be on drugs?  What if someone picked Widener over Delval what would you have called them?  A genius?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 23, 2010, 10:04:25 PM
Manuel Willocq:

There are a few posters on this board affiliated with Del Val.  PBR is the most active but a few others surface around game day. I've been a part of the Aggies broadcast team since 2004.  Anything you want to know in particular?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 23, 2010, 10:14:37 PM
Just looking for some friendly banter, the board was quiet yesterday...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 23, 2010, 10:33:36 PM
Hi Gordon,

I will assume you are making the trip because you do play by play for DV, correct?  If you are getting to town Friday early enough, let me know if you are going to be out and about, and I will buy you a beverage somewhere.  Especially if you are staying over in the Belden Village/North Canton area. 

Safe journeys, and to DV....welcome to the machine. 

And for Lew Dog (not negative or nasty Lew), I really MEAN this and welcome anyone and everyone.  Gotta love the D-III experience.  I push it on my son every chance I get. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: union89 on November 23, 2010, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: PBR... on November 23, 2010, 09:03:16 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

O.K. pbr, U89 and dlip know nothing about football and our football picks/opinions are ish and garbage because our picks are different from yours or because they went against your team? wa wa wa cry dlip a ****ing river dick. Next time Del Val does not want to be questioned tell them not to lose to a ****ing **** team in Widener the week berfore the playoffs...injuries or not. If a team loses to Widener and then faces a team that played Wesley as good, if not better than Del Val, dlip wouldn't say it's garbage to pick them to to lose. dlip is hoping the Aggies can give Mount all they can handle...but he shouldn't even express an opinion or thought though dickhead unless it corresponds with yours  :P

what a f'n tool....what are u next gonna tell us how much u bench press and run a blazin' 40? don't choke on it while your smokin' your bone...could f'n care less who you pick but when u can't see the forest through the trees well that shows your intelligence...go stick jug a nice jug of merlot down your throat and play jenga w/ the rest of those tools and fools from da U and tell anyone who listens and cares anymore about how union was relevant back in the 70s and ruled eastern football....


Dude,
I poke fun at dlip for loving the triple option and thought DVal would beat a one dimensional Salisbury squad....your alma mater wins a game and this is what you turn in to?

I guess we should just look at you as 1 individual who represents a team....I'll be rooting for DVal in spite of you.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 23, 2010, 11:34:29 PM
any delval fans heading to alliance, i highly recommend the wing warehouse near campus.  hugh wings with plenty of sauces to choose from.  also, take skunks up on his offer, great guy to hang with and he does know a little football.  the mount guys that post on here are all really great guys.  enjoy the trip and good luck this weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Doid23 on November 24, 2010, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 23, 2010, 09:03:16 PM
what a f'n tool....what are u next gonna tell us how much u bench press and run a blazin' 40? don't choke on it while your smokin' your bone...could f'n care less who you pick but when u can't see the forest through the trees well that shows your intelligence...go stick jug a nice jug of merlot down your throat and play jenga w/ the rest of those tools and fools from da U and tell anyone who listens and cares anymore about how union was relevant back in the 70s and ruled eastern football....

There's a f'n tool here... but it aint dlip. Funny how you didn't include the last sentence of dlip's prediction post: "Good luck to both teams though and hopefully Del Val can prove dlip wrong." Luckily, you lost so much credibility with you inane and senseless rantings, that no one gives a rats ass what you think about anything.

As to your team, I also will be rooting for them, as will most if not all people in the East. But don't get your panties in a bunch if people question your teams strength after a loss to a 5-5 Widener team at home.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 24, 2010, 09:37:29 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 23, 2010, 11:34:29 PM
any delval fans heading to alliance, i highly recommend the wing warehouse near campus.  hugh wings with plenty of sauces to choose from.  also, take skunks up on his offer, great guy to hang with and he does know a little football.  the mount guys that post on here are all really great guys.  enjoy the trip and good luck this weekend.

My buddy is part owner of the Wing Warehouse, thanks for the free advertisement for him!  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 24, 2010, 12:02:31 PM
been there twice and will always recommend it to anyone going to alliance.  figured i was going to meet the gang there this year until the seedings came out.  oh well, alliance is on the agenda next year for a road trip if i can swing it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 24, 2010, 12:46:00 PM
Skunks:

Yep, I'll be there.  I'm traveling with the team so my itinerary is somewhat up in the air, but I'll make a case for the Wings Warehouse. :)

I've met a bunch of the Mount Union guys before and can vouch for them, too.  Good people.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 24, 2010, 02:40:06 PM
Quote from: PBR... on November 23, 2010, 09:03:16 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 23, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 20, 2010, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: maAggie on November 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quotedlip thinks the Gulls will be more than Del Val can handle, especially with the loss to Widener. To dlip, that proved that Del Val was clearly not as "elite" as he had thought they were throughout the season.

dlip would be wrong it seems...Agies defense deserves much credit for containing the explosive Seagull offense. They showed great discipline today and came up big when needed. It also helped that the offense owned time-of-possession!

Congrats Aggies!

alright pbr is back from vaca...and your correct maAggie...as pbr has caught up some reading...dlip and u89 should do us all a favor and crawl under a rock and disappear....LD showed he has great knowledge and realized that 1 game against a traditional rival should not reflect the whole season...DVC is the best team in the east this year....PERIOD! (depending on whether people include Wesley in the east or south) Montclair/Cortland are close but not quite there....but honest to god reading some of this 'ish and garbage that was posted made pbr wander whether some of these people had any football knowledge or were blowing bones all day w/ cheech and chong. The overreactionby some was insane...What sux by losing that game is now we know who they have to play and pbr would of liked them steamroll the rest of the east before taking on da U...

O.K. pbr, U89 and dlip know nothing about football and our football picks/opinions are ish and garbage because our picks are different from yours or because they went against your team? wa wa wa cry dlip a ****ing river dick. Next time Del Val does not want to be questioned tell them not to lose to a ****ing **** team in Widener the week berfore the playoffs...injuries or not. If a team loses to Widener and then faces a team that played Wesley as good, if not better than Del Val, dlip wouldn't say it's garbage to pick them to to lose. dlip is hoping the Aggies can give Mount all they can handle...but he shouldn't even express an opinion or thought though dickhead unless it corresponds with yours  :P

what a f'n tool....what are u next gonna tell us how much u bench press and run a blazin' 40? don't choke on it while your smokin' your bone...could f'n care less who you pick but when u can't see the forest through the trees well that shows your intelligence...go stick jug a nice jug of merlot down your throat and play jenga w/ the rest of those tools and fools from da U and tell anyone who listens and cares anymore about how union was relevant back in the 70s and ruled eastern football....

Whatever pbr, this does not seem like the type of posts you usually post, most are solid, but fine. Bottom line is, is that we are all pulling for Del Val, so let's hope they make some serious noise in Alliance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 24, 2010, 03:30:36 PM
Amen to that, Dlip, and thanks for the good wishes for the Aggies!  Pretty much guaranteed that PBR, and all DVC fans remaining here will be listening to Gordon's call of the game - GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on November 25, 2010, 12:38:29 PM
Wanted to add my welcome as well if your coming to Alliance. If you walk by the main entrance be sure to stop and say Hi to the old guy standing along the wall wearing the black number 99 Mount jersey, that would be me.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 26, 2010, 06:08:53 PM
To Kate's point...

Delaware Valley (9-2)
vs.
Mount Union (11-0)

Pregame coverage will go a little earlier and a little longer at 11:30 am for the special occasion.  Kickoff is at 12 pm.  Click here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-mount-union) to listen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 26, 2010, 06:56:31 PM
Just wanted to shoot the Aggies the best wishes tomorrow. By far the biggest game in school history tomorrow against a fantastic team. Do it guys, and show that Aggieland is for real. Seniors enjoy every minute tomorrow
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HScoach on November 26, 2010, 07:32:03 PM


Quote from: gordonmann on November 26, 2010, 06:08:53 PM
To Kate's point...

Delaware Valley (9-2)
vs.
Mount Union (11-0)
Pregame coverage will go a little earlier and a little longer at 11:30 am for the special occasion.  Kickoff is at 12 pm.  Click here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-vs-mount-union) to listen.

Gordon,

Stop by the north end of the box and say howdy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 27, 2010, 09:54:02 AM
GAMEDAY. lets get it Aggies, shock the world today
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 27, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
Good solid season for Del Val, winning the MAC and going into the second round of the NCAA's!  Congratulations to all the players and coaches.  Great coverage from Gordon, too!  (still wish Mr Mann could cover an Aggie women's b'ball game down the line).  GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on November 27, 2010, 04:33:05 PM
A good strong performance by the Aggies. They battled hard for a half but lack of depth started to show in the second half. Here's hoping they can continue to build on what they have. They certainly have Mount Union's respect
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 27, 2010, 07:41:24 PM
Great season Aggies! Good effort today against a superior athletically talented team! Thanks to all the seniors for four great years of football!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 27, 2010, 08:43:50 PM
I did not listen to the game and have been mostly absent from here since the end of the regular season and with it any opportunity for Lycoming to continue playing.

The box score reads as if MU had their way with DVC on the ground but the time of possession is fairly close.

Was DVC that one dimensional?  Did MU dominate the play?

It is hard to tell from the line score too.

Like I said earlier in the year - MAC teams do not travel all that far outside the conference - I think it must have something to do with the coaches, strategy, game-planning, and of course, players.

MAC football - and this from 30 years of watching it - is usually founded on gritty defense and an offense that is either pass or rush oriented - but not usually both.

When  you look across the NCAA D3 teams you see playoff scores that often look like a basketball game.  That is not typically what we see from MAC teams.

This post is not directed at any one team or MAC program but is my overall assessment of how things roll for our schools both regular season and in the playoffs.

Congratulations to DVC on a stellar year and here's to the Vick Experience continuing into the playoffs for Philly!

ATB







Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on November 27, 2010, 09:04:19 PM
Del Valley's main RB was really banged up, but gave a heck of an effort, the QB was also abused throughout the game and really banged up, but hung in there and gave a great accounting of himself.  I heard a DV fan say that Mount was the only team that matched up with the Aggies speed, and Mount's was better at every position. 
I am a lifelong Mount follower and have to give great respect to DV and the effort.  Actually with a first and goal inside the  2 and a chance to tie at 7, a false start pushed them back to the 7 and they could not get in. FG, but Mount returned ensuing KO 40  yards and took it in before half and it was all over as Mount's D was not giving up anything.  Del Valley defense was solid, physical and played their butts off.  The score does not give an indication of their effort.  Probably the best team Mount has seen all year, and the best game Mount has played all year.

Hope the Aggie fans enjoyed their visit to Mount Union (less the loss) and had safe journey home.  They have a team to be proud of...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 27, 2010, 10:24:18 PM
gordan, you have seen both teams.  who do you think is better, wesley or mount?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Raider 68 on November 27, 2010, 10:36:26 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 27, 2010, 10:24:18 PM
gordan, you have seen both teams.  who do you think is better, wesley or mount?

wesleydad,

He may not give you an answer. Wesley beat DV by 4 pts 21-17 at Wesley. Maybe you will not want his answer, but who knows what it will be? :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2010, 01:24:36 AM
Lyco:

As others alluded, Del Val running back Matt Cook suffered an injury against Widener in the regular season finale.  He had been battling nagging injuries all year but this one was more serious.  He was a game time decision against Salisbury after not practicing all week.  He didn't practice leading up to the Mount Union game either.  Honestly, I'm not sure how much success Del Val would've had running the ball against the Purple Raiders.  But he would've had a lot more carries than he got today and the offense would've had a more balanced game plan.  Injuries are a part of the game, especially at this time of year.  But that late in the season it's hard to replace the production from Cook who finished as Del Val's all-time leader in every major rushing category.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2010, 01:36:16 AM
Wes Dad:

Keeping in mind that I only saw each team once - and that one time wasn't Wesley's best performance - I would give a very, very narrow edge to Mount Union.  But that's only because of intangibles like how difficult it is to beat the Purple Raiders at this time of year.

From a more analytical perspective, it's really hard to give either team a significant edge.

On offense, I'm not sure these teams could get any more even.  Each one has a game breaker at receiver in Krout and Shorts.  Wesley's backs are faster and have more big play ability but Mount Union's offensive line looks more dominant.  There were some plays today where the Aggie defenders looked like they got sucked into individual black holes.  The blocks were that good, especially from the wide receivers.  I think Seamans will be really, really good but at this point he's still just a sophomore.  Whether it was the wind or the fact that Kehres didn't need much else, I didn't see Seamans make a lot of tough throws down field today.  And Sotillare is playing really well for Wesley right now.

On defense, the two best non-Del Val players I saw this year were Budzinzki of Mount Union and Mayes of Wesley.  If Dieuseul is healthy, I like Mount's defensive line over Wesley by a very slim margin.I like Wesley's secondary a little more with Marcus Wilson and Aaron Benson.  I like Wesley's Asiedu at linebacker over all the other individuals, but Mount Union has better depth across all positions. 

The teams are really, really close though in terms of talent.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on November 28, 2010, 02:11:53 AM
Lyco80-Things that haven't been discussed are A. There was a steady 15-18 mph cross wind that made kicking and passing an adventure. B. It was cold and with the wind there were low twenties wind chills. C. The long TD run on Mount's opening drive was a bitter pill for DV. D. I think that across the board the Del Val players let their emotions get in the way for most of the second half. E. The DV QB deserves a medal for the beating he took today. He looked like a prize fight that just wouldn't go down. F Getting to the 2 yard line and not scoring was the dagger to the heart of the Delaware Valley offense.

Despite all that, I was still there at the end of the game and many times during a year I'm listening to the second half in the car on the way home
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 28, 2010, 06:39:19 AM
Many thanks to all who graciously provided additional background on the game.  The box score and recap are often only one dimensional snapshots that provide merely statistics and we all know how misleading they may be.

It seems the loss to Widener at the end of the regular season put DVC on a path that made their playoff journey far more challenging than it might have ordinarily been.

Pity, since from all that I have heard and read all season, and particularly with these last few posts, they might have gone much further if they had stopped that two-point conversion on the last play of the season and been on a different track through the playoffs.

Again, thanks for taking the time to get me up to speed.  I appreciate it.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on November 28, 2010, 10:05:11 AM
First off great job Aggies, you lost to one of the best teams D3 has to offer. Hopefully one day we will be on that elite level. You should be proud of the performance you gave, especially Hatty who it sounds like took a beating in this game. Seniors thank you for a fantastic four seasons, and a three peat MAC Championship.

Now a question about the game. I keep hearing on this board, and on the OAC board about DV players kept running their mouths during the game, especially #5 and #1. To anyone who was actually at the game, did DV lose their emotions that badly? On the Mt Union board they were saying that our players (again the two numbers given) kept running their mouths when the game got out of hand to the points that the Mount crowd started to banter at them. I just wonder how bad it actually did get. Listening to the game on the live radio feed there was a few unsportsmanlike on us, and the announcer did say there was some bantering but how bad did we lose our cool?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 28, 2010, 10:32:54 AM
thanks gordan.  hopefully we shall get to see who is better in the stagg bowl.  wesley is playing much better now then when they played delval.  little penalties and turnovers.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2010, 05:34:27 PM
DVCFan:

This year's Delaware Valley team was animated all year.  I don't think they were unusually so yesterday.  Dilisio (No. 1) did pick up a personal foul and that was an issue throughout the season.  He's a great player who has to find a way to throttle down the emotion when the whistle blows.  There was one point where one of the Del Val players started exchanging trash talk with the Mount Union fans, which is never a good idea. But, from my admittedly distant vantage point, both teams did a fair amount of talking. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 28, 2010, 06:29:16 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 28, 2010, 05:34:27 PM
DVCFan:

This year's Delaware Valley team was animated all year.  I don't think they were unusually so yesterday.  Dilisio (No. 1) did pick up a personal foul and that was an issue throughout the season.  He's a great player who has to find a way to throttle down the emotion when the whistle blows.  There was one point where one of the Del Val players started exchanging trash talk with the Mount Union fans, which is never a good idea. But, from my admittedly distant vantage point, both teams did a fair amount of talking. 

Gordan......great analysis of Mount's strengths/weaknesses. 

As for the trash-talking.....#5 was doing it pre-game, #1 was doing it ALL game.  :)  And #85 seemed to be in his own world when not playing.  He would sit by himself, smile and chat with Mount fans, etc...

And Mount is no innocent bystander when it comes to trash talk.  They just NEVER do it on the sideline.  That would earn them a place standing beside LK.  Not a good place to be in those circumstances.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 28, 2010, 07:49:13 PM
Congrats on 1000th post a milestone of some sort to be sure!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: seventiesraider on November 28, 2010, 10:32:37 PM
 The unsportsmanlike conduct penalty was on #1 after running his mouth first to the Mount bench and then to an official. He was totally out of control.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: union89 on November 28, 2010, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 28, 2010, 05:34:27 PM
DVCFan:

This year's Delaware Valley team was animated all year.  I don't think they were unusually so yesterday.  Dilisio (No. 1) did pick up a personal foul and that was an issue throughout the season.  He's a great player who has to find a way to throttle down the emotion when the whistle blows.  There was one point where one of the Del Val players started exchanging trash talk with the Mount Union fans, which is never a good idea. But, from my admittedly distant vantage point, both teams did a fair amount of talking. 


Brutal......no reason for this crap.  In a game this big, to selfishly cost your team 15 is inexcusable.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 29, 2010, 08:56:52 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 28, 2010, 07:49:13 PM
Congrats on 1000th post a milestone of some sort to be sure!

ATB

Lack of a real life?  Boring job?  Too much "internet freedom"?   ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 29, 2010, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: Union89 on November 28, 2010, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 28, 2010, 05:34:27 PM
DVCFan:

This year's Delaware Valley team was animated all year.  I don't think they were unusually so yesterday.  Dilisio (No. 1) did pick up a personal foul and that was an issue throughout the season.  He's a great player who has to find a way to throttle down the emotion when the whistle blows.  There was one point where one of the Del Val players started exchanging trash talk with the Mount Union fans, which is never a good idea. But, from my admittedly distant vantage point, both teams did a fair amount of talking. 


Brutal......no reason for this crap.  In a game this big, to selfishly cost your team 15 is inexcusable.

Tell that to Andre Johnson...
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnewsfall.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F11%2Fnfl_a_Johnson_Finnegan_bl_300.jpg&hash=74a1b58d186cb7cb9b60487216ae9799b0753d20)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on December 02, 2010, 07:12:49 PM
gordan, not sure if you will see this here, but find me before the game in the tailgate area this weekend.  i know you are working but it would be nice to chat before the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 02, 2010, 11:15:11 PM
Any takers on this little tidbit?
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20101202/NEWS01/101202015/Football-players-charged-in-burglaries-of-Wesley-dorms

Uhggggg
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 03, 2010, 01:09:26 AM
Wes Dad:

Cool.  Will do.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 04, 2010, 09:40:03 AM
Let me begin by stating everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

This is the way our system of criminal justice operates.

Oftentimes folks who are guilty get off on technicalities or sloppy investigatory practices or inefficient prosecutors.

That is as much a part of the jurisprudence landscape as block in the back penalty flags - that are away from the play and have little to do with the outcome - negate a kick-off return for a touchdown.

All those disclaimers aside, there is something very sad that college athletes, at the top of their game, would be so tempted to resort to this activity.

It makes me wonder about the whole panoply of parenting issues - including family of origin and their own sense of right and wrong and individual responsibility.

Then there is the other notion that asks if this is isolated behavior or the time when they simply got caught.

It is a pity that D3 football, which is often on a different scale than pro football or big-time college football, mirrors the same misadventures of its big brothers.

It will be interesting to see how the school handles this situation.

By the way, is there anyone on this site who does not believe that Cam Newton is compromised and the whole thing is being ignored for a big money payday with Auburn vs. Oregon?

Such a shame and so harmful to the rest of the team - perhaps if these guys are found guilty they can lead the convicts in a game against the guards and steal their uniforms for the game?

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maxpower on December 04, 2010, 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on December 04, 2010, 09:40:03 AM
Let me begin by stating everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

Quote from: Lyco80 on December 04, 2010, 09:40:03 AM
It makes me wonder about the whole panoply of parenting issues - including family of origin and their own sense of right and wrong and individual responsibility.

Then there is the other notion that asks if this is isolated behavior or the time when they simply got caught.


I think you gotta pick one here. If you truly believe they're innocent until proven guilty, there's no call for speculating about their possibly dysfunctional family histories on a public forum that anyone can read.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 04, 2010, 01:47:56 PM
Max,

You raise an interesting point.

My comments regarding dysfunction were not meant to pre-judge this scenario but as a social comment that it is distressing to see those who have been gifted with athletic talent fritter the opportunity away for what are often very transient and fleeting reasons.

Your comment goes to the heart of the tension between the presumption of innocence, which attaches to all charged, and the 1st Amendment which permits speculation about the conditions that MAY have led to this unhappy set of circumstances.

To be sure, dysfunction is not the only condition that leads to run-ins with the law, alcohol is often involved too.

But here are four athletes - with, one would hope, some appreciation for the opportunity before them.  And yet,  collectively or individually there could not be found a voice of reason in the group.  No one who might have said "what are we doing here?" "Let's go watch some film."

Choices have consequences and when you are a member of a team, involved in the hunt for a national championship, your commitment to your teammates should be enough of a governor to check you from acting out your impulses.

This nation cannot rely alone upon the protection of personal rights without the accompanying aspect of personal responsibility.

I do see your point, though.

ATB



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maxpower on December 04, 2010, 01:57:26 PM
No doubt. Thanks for a good response.


When I was at Ithaca, the paper published the name of a student charged with rape. Now, I'm not one to give rape suspects any leeway at all, but the following week the charges were dropped; this kid now will have that ish come up on google when people search for him. I hope it hasn't ruined anything for him. Obviously I prefer the first part of your post :).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 04, 2010, 02:24:30 PM
Max,

On point with your recent post.

Secretary of Labor, Raymond Donovan, during the Reagan Administration, was charged with all sorts of illegal activity and when exonerated at the Federal Courthouse in Newark, NJ asked the judge what office he could go to in order to get his good name and reputation back.

Naturally, there is no such office.

All the more reason, particularly in the public eye, and that is a very loose and broad concept, the need for good judgment.

A man totally innocent of any wrongdoing googled himself only to learn he was wanted for murder.

The internet is a mixed bag - great for looking up information and yet making it simple to plagiarize another persons work.  And on it goes . . .

Pity Aflred is not giving MU a better game but the UK - UNC game is worth the price of admission.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maxpower on December 04, 2010, 02:28:42 PM
Haha... how did you know I had flipped on UNC-KY...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 04, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
Smarter than I look . . .
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on December 04, 2010, 06:05:13 PM
lyco80, the situation was handled as it should have been by the school.  the players were removed from the team, i also believe they have been kicked out of the school.  one thing i know for sure is the coach drass does not tolerate this stuff.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 05, 2010, 09:35:23 AM
Wesleydad,

Thanks for the update.

This entire unnecessary situation presents very few, if any, good choices.

Suspend them - they are cleared of the charges - Wesley loses/wins.

Kick them off the team - they are cleared of the charges - Wesley loses/wins.

Keep them - they are found guilty - Wesley wins or loses

Do nothing until the legal process - which takes time - runs its course and the school - President, A.D. Coach all look weak or more concerned more with winning than character and integrity.

These are only some of the permutations - all bad.

The best outcome would have for the players to have not allowed themselves to get into the situation in the first place - and even my language and use of past tense and passive phraseology indicates the level of the problem.

Real simple - don't break the law! 

Millions of people manage to live an entire lifetime without spending time in the clutches of the criminal justice system.

It is a shame that these young men, with everything to lose, would risk it all for something so fleeting.

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on December 06, 2010, 03:43:43 PM
Congratulations to Del Val's Head Football Coach, Jim Clements, selected as the 2010 Division 3, Region 2 Coach of the Year by the American Football Coaches Association.  Please read more on the Aggie athletic website.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 06, 2010, 07:13:38 PM
Wow - four karma smites for writing the truth - and apparently those dishing it out did so under stealth conditions.  I would rather they pick up an argument and stand a post for I care little for what they feel they are entitled to since it appears they can't handle the truth.

And that is plain funny no matter who you are . . . Get 'er dun.

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maxpower on December 06, 2010, 11:04:52 PM
Did ya one better Lyco.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVCFan11 on December 19, 2010, 05:25:04 PM
Interesting article today regarding GA Mangus and the Temple job. I really think he is going to be in the mix for it.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2010/december/19/mangus-mentioned-as-temple-candidate.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2011, 02:42:27 PM
Waiting on a coaching hire from Misericordia. Have to think the Ursinus assistant that got hired at Guilford was high on their list.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/coaching-carousel
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on January 16, 2011, 07:32:14 PM
Gosh, quiet time of the year  ??? A few items of interest...

First, while their program may no longer be a part of the MAC, I was saddened to learn of the passing of longtime Crusaders assistant Bob Pittello. While I never met him in person, I saw Coach Pittello talking in good spirits many times with members of the Wilkes staff during our games against SU from 2004-2006. I would read his bio several times in the SU media guides and game programs, and he always impressed me as someone who showed great pride and dedication in his alma mater.

My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and the SU football community on his passing.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on January 16, 2011, 07:35:28 PM
Second, a notice on the Misericordia athletics website is announcing a press conference at the school, set for 2 P.M. this Monday, January 17:

http://athletics.misericordia.edu/news/2011/1/14/FB_0114114118.aspx

My guess is it can only be about announcing a new football coach. With that in mind, I plan to be there, with live video coverage available on our website at www.timesleader.com.

See ya there!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on January 16, 2011, 08:10:22 PM
Any speculation that it might be Rich Manello? He certainly has experience with a start up Catholic program...

I'd love to know what that job is paying....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2011, 09:27:06 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on January 16, 2011, 07:35:28 PM
Second, a notice on the Misericordia athletics website is announcing a press conference at the school, set for 2 P.M. this Monday, January 17:

http://athletics.misericordia.edu/news/2011/1/14/FB_0114114118.aspx

My guess is it can only be about announcing a new football coach. With that in mind, I plan to be there, with live video coverage available on our website at www.timesleader.com.

See ya there!

Yes, it is about introducing a football coach -- our Twitter followers found that out a couple days ago.

Let me know when you have the full link for the video -- we'll send that around as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2011, 05:06:59 PM
Hiring story is up.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2010/11/ross-hired-as-first-miseri-coach
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on January 18, 2011, 06:29:52 PM
Wow, first, Misericordia, now Channel 69, Berk's addition, just announced that Alvernia was looking into the possibility of adding football to their sport's agenda.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on January 18, 2011, 07:59:14 PM
Kate

On our level, adding football is THE way to increase male enrollment at minimal cost, especially if there is an existing field to play at...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on January 20, 2011, 08:51:42 PM
Times Leader video of the opening remarks for the Misericordia press conference, shot by yours truly: http://bit.ly/emRInr

Also, our story on the press conference, including some good stats on Coach Ross' defense at Ithaca; http://bit.ly/egfDLw

Nice day in the Back Mountain for all involved on Monday. Coach Ross hit it on the head himself...where else in the MAC can you start a program from scratch and have two rivals right in your backyard?  ;D

I assume that the news will be quite for a bit, but this is a great story for the MAC overall, and will be interesting to watch as it develops. Stay tuned.... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mustang Fan on April 26, 2011, 07:56:01 AM
Hey all. New D3 fan here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 26, 2011, 10:35:12 AM
Is this our first Stevenson football fan? Welcome to the board!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on April 27, 2011, 02:45:19 PM
Finally! There is some life on this board.

My son chose Albright so I'm on the hunt for any news about Albright. He was really close to choosing 1 or 2 other MAC schools, but liked something about Albright.

One of their coaches is leaving for the UFL. Apparently Jerry Glanville just got a job with them and they used to work together. http://www.prokickernews.com/kicking-punting-snapping-indoor-football-leagues-news/itemlist/tag/Jesse%20Thompson.html

I wonder how Stevenson will do? He liked them too because the team is so new. He figured he'd have a chance as a 4 yr starter. He liked the male-female ratio too!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 27, 2011, 03:03:24 PM
And welcome to the board to you as well!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on April 27, 2011, 03:07:40 PM
My cousin is headed off to play WR at Lyco next year. Bummed he didn't choose Susquehanna, of course, but it's not so bad since apparently Lyco has dropped off our schedule for the foreseeable future. Plus, he was considering a conference opponent as well, so at least I won't have to root against him.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on April 27, 2011, 04:08:12 PM
Lyco and Susq are pretty close together aren't they. I look up the schools' info on collegeboard.org to get quick info on them. Lyco seems to be pretty small. Even smaller than Albright, which my son thinks might be too small, but he liked his visits so he picked it.

Clicked on link to Susq from collegeboard.....saw they had a ring photo gallery link on the football page. I haven't seen that on other sites, it's a good idea. The ring looks nice. I dream for my son to get a ring like they got at Delaware Valley....it's really nice and says three peat. He considered DelVal, but the high % of agric students and the higher price after fin aid combined to make it a no-go. He really liked the coaches and stuff though.

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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on April 28, 2011, 03:04:20 PM
Say WHAT  :(, you know the bumper sticker "No Farms No Food" ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on April 28, 2011, 04:05:21 PM
Sorry Kate! We are only an hour from DelVal, loved the area it was in (I grew up in Bucks County). He was afraid the ag majors would be all farm people and he'd have nothing in common. He's not a country boy. Sadly, I think the education is not ranked as high for him as the football, girls and parties and I assume he was afraid the second two wouldn't fit his style! The football is great...that much he knew. I HOPE he is going to school for more than what I listed though.

I should remind him what you said though!

You from DelVal? Or a farm gal from somewhere else? What's your interest in the MAC?

On another note....does anybody know if the D3's announce their recruits at any point?

How many freshmen does a typical MAC team take and how many of them are actually "recruited" rather than just sort of allowed to join the team? My son got a lot of attention from a few schools, but I heard the incoming #'s are high so I'm trying to get a feel of how it works. Should I ask this in a new message?

I'm so excited my son will be playing college ball this fall! Was afraid he'd bail out if he didn't go D2. Now I think he is excited!  Being from NJ...D2 (PSAC) was tough to get into without going hours away. The Eastern PA schools stuck with  PA boys.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on April 28, 2011, 04:33:21 PM
Most D3 school's don't announce recruiting classes like D1 or other programs do.

That said it's pretty easy to mine the internet using phrases like "will play football at [insert school name]" to see who's planning on enrolling and trying out in the fall.

Guessing he'll be in a class of around 50 kids.  Of that usually 15-20 were "recruited" (sometimes even less than that), based on what I've seen at other schools (albeit not necessarily PA ones).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on April 28, 2011, 05:03:28 PM
 I got the impression at one school in particular that if you want to be on the team, you can. Doesn't mean you'll play, but I guess they don't turn guys away. Tuition is one reason. Stevenson added football to try to get more males to attend the school. More athletes means more students and more $$. I guess there are students out there who like the idea of going to a school that has football, it's something to do on the weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 28, 2011, 06:17:20 PM
There are definitely programs with no-cut policies. And indeed there are schools that add football for enrollment purposes, others for school-spirit purposes:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2005/adding-football-why-and-how

I don't think TGP's assertion of how many kids are "recruited" is at all accurate or prevalent nationally. It might be at Hobart (who knows?) but that is not how it seems to work most places.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on April 28, 2011, 06:19:58 PM
D3 programs are not allowed to speak of recruits until they have enrolled at school. Kids can announce where they are going as much as they like, but that's about it.

Some schools announce who has paid a deposit to attend, but even that gets "iffy"....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 28, 2011, 07:18:40 PM
I don't believe that's iffy by NCAA rules, however. If you're saying that it's iffy because kids may still choose not to enroll, that's probably fair, but it's fine for schools to announce at that time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on April 29, 2011, 09:44:35 AM
Good morning, dunleigh!  Yes, welcome to the board!  I'm from Belvidere, NJ, and while we were not farmers, we were surrounded by them, so i grew to appreciate everything they were doing.  Our son graduated from DVC in '97 (had nothing to do with any sport, unfortunately).  Since then, i've been a "hopeless homer"  :), and followed Del Val sports (mostly women's basketball) religiously.  Their football team has made a remarkable turn around in the last several years.  It's been a blast to follow them!  Did you know that the college is hosting a Diversity Conference on May 25th?  All the way around, i see Del Val really moving forward.  The MAC is tremendous, strong & always interesting with headquarters out there at Lebanon Valley College in Annville.  I specifically like the MAC cause as a conference, they are diverse.  Best luck to your son as he starts his college and football career.  Usually, i'm over on the women's b'ball board, but like to pop over here once in awhile.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on April 29, 2011, 10:51:36 AM
Pat

I just checked with compliance and the NCAA rule book.  Basically, it is not permissible for the school to announce anything - acceptance, intent, etc., until the student has paid to enroll at the school - which is usually interpreted as a deposit.

But I still think it's "iffy"  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on April 29, 2011, 11:38:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 28, 2011, 06:17:20 PM
I don't think TGP's assertion of how many kids are "recruited" is at all accurate or prevalent nationally. It might be at Hobart (who knows?) but that is not how it seems to work most places.

I wasn't talking about national practices given the forum I posted in nor do I think that was the intent of the original question (perhaps I misinterpreted).  Obviously midwestern and other DIII colleges have much different practices and ability to recruit kids than most northeastern colleges do.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on April 29, 2011, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: bill on April 29, 2011, 10:51:36 AM
Pat

I just checked with compliance and the NCAA rule book.  Basically, it is not permissible for the school to announce anything - acceptance, intent, etc., until the student has paid to enroll at the school - which is usually interpreted as a deposit.

But I still think it's "iffy"  :)

I agree especially due to what Admissions officers refer to as "summer melt" (i.e., a kid puts a deposit down at one school while hoping to get off the wait list at another).  I can't speak for how prevalent this is outside NE/PA, but it was and remains a very common practice for most private colleges in this region.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on April 29, 2011, 11:48:12 AM
I wondered, specifically, in the average MAC conference school,, how many of the 50-60 "commited players" that is those who told the coach they were coming...how many of them were actively sought after by the recruiting coaches. My son was told that he was high on the list of players they wanted for his position. I hope that means a good chance of first playing time...or at least making it onto the bus. By good chance, I mean compared to the other freshmen...not expecting to start first year! 50-60 guys is a lot of competition.

As far as annoucements....deposits are due May 1, so I wondered if they'd announce who had committed, basing commitment on deposit being sent in.

Obviously, I'm new to this world of college ball so please be patient!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on April 29, 2011, 12:05:17 PM
I doubt you'll see any formal announcements.  The closest thing might be inclusion on the roster (around August) and/or a write up in the fall media guide.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2011, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: TGP on April 29, 2011, 11:38:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 28, 2011, 06:17:20 PM
I don't think TGP's assertion of how many kids are "recruited" is at all accurate or prevalent nationally. It might be at Hobart (who knows?) but that is not how it seems to work most places.

I wasn't talking about national practices given the forum I posted in nor do I think that was the intent of the original question (perhaps I misinterpreted).  Obviously midwestern and other DIII colleges have much different practices and ability to recruit kids than most northeastern colleges do.

You just have a way of taking things you've seen in a fairly limited slice of Division III and assuming they work that way for everyone. I didn't want the new person to look at your post and assume you were right for everyone.

Dunleigh, to answer your question, it is probably different everywhere. There isn't an answer.

I also looked at Albright's news archive and see that the school did not release commitments last season, so that's probably a good indicator.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: labart96 on April 29, 2011, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2011, 01:22:07 PM
You just have a way of taking things you've seen in a fairly limited slice of Division III and assuming they work that way for everyone. I didn't want the new person to look at your post and assume you were right for everyone.

Really?

I thought it was fairly clear when I stated from the outset that I was guessing (which admits to having insufficient information by definition - if you don't believe me, you can look it up).  Also, I specifically left out PA schools  which was the original context of the question, so that the new person wouldn't think I was talking about Del Val or presumably, most other schools in DIII.

Although to some it may seem I have a way of assuming how things work, can you really blame me for citing personal experience on (what I thought was) just a comment thread on an internet board?  I admit the same (i.e., I am not a self proclaimed expert of national DIII football) up front every time. 

In the end I don't think any of my assumptions are as bad as your just having a way of needing to be a jerk to long-time posters who support you and your website every now and again.

Dunleigh - the latter is something for you to look forward to as well over the next four years.  Good luck to your son.

I'm done.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on April 29, 2011, 02:54:43 PM
One thing you have to remember about d3 schools is that they don't have to fill any spots with scholarship players.  D1 schools basically have to tell people that aren't getting scholarships that they aren't good enough to play there.  D3 coaches can tell a kid that they are the best thing since sliced bread just to get that kid to go there.  Many good d3 players were overlooked in high school and coaches know that.  So if you recruit 100 players and tell them they are all superstars, you might get 30 of them to go to your school and only 5 of them will actually be any good.  If you recruit 300 players and tell them the same, 75 of them might come to your school and 15 of them will be really good.  Hence, many d3 coaches might benenfit by telling as many people as possible that they want them.

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2011, 03:59:43 PM
Sigh. Obviously that was not what I intended.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on April 29, 2011, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: Jonny Labcoat on April 29, 2011, 02:54:43 PM
One thing you have to remember about d3 schools is that they don't have to fill any spots with scholarship players.  D1 schools basically have to tell people that aren't getting scholarships that they aren't good enough to play there.  D3 coaches can tell a kid that they are the best thing since sliced bread just to get that kid to go there.  Many good d3 players were overlooked in high school and coaches know that.  So if you recruit 100 players and tell them they are all superstars, you might get 30 of them to go to your school and only 5 of them will actually be any good.  If you recruit 300 players and tell them the same, 75 of them might come to your school and 15 of them will be really good.  Hence, many d3 coaches might benenfit by telling as many people as possible that they want them.

Just my two cents.

You make a good point. I like to think my kid is one of those overlooked....Pace wanted him but he didn't like it...and it's not a top program by any stretch. East Strouds. liked him, but not enough to give him any of the little bit of scholarship $ they had, they only took 3 NJ guys, a QB and 2 OL/DL..they like their PA boys. He had some other D2 interest from out near Pittsburgh but he didn't follow it up. I stupidly didn't suggest he look further away, forgetting scholarship $ could pay for airfare!

The coach told him he was 2nd on his list for his position. I like to think it's true, but I also know it could be what you say they do--recruit as many as possible...it makes sense. We can be biased when judging our own kids! He was a full-time player--SS and WR

.Any parents or players out there who were recruited and whose reality turned out, or didn't, like their expectations? I guess that's what I really want to know.

On a different topic.....he didn't pick DelVal...but what are the chances that the head coach moves on? I'd think he'd be getting offers. I think it was him that said he has 2 young kids and they like the area....(I asked him or the OC the question....can't remember for sure but I think it was head coach...nice guy)


August is close and yet so far away!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 24, 2011, 10:30:41 PM
Dunleigh:

Yes, Del Val Head Coach Jim Clements has two young kids.  He went to school at Widener and has family roots in the area. He has done a fantastic job at Del Val.

On a related note, congratulations to former Widener and Del Val head coach (and current Del Val assistant head coach) Bill Manlove on his induction into the College Football Hall of Fame.  He's a classy, humble guy -- one of the people I enjoy seeing every fall Saturday afternoon.

http://d3football.com/notables/2011/05/manlove-elected-to-hall-of-fame

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on May 25, 2011, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 24, 2011, 10:30:41 PM
Dunleigh:

Yes, Del Val Head Coach Jim Clements has two young kids.  He went to school at Widener and has family roots in the area. He has done a fantastic job at Del Val.

On a related note, congratulations to former Widener and Del Val head coach (and current Del Val assistant head coach) Bill Manlove on his induction into the College Football Hall of Fame.  He's a classy, humble guy -- one of the people I enjoy seeing every fall Saturday afternoon.

http://d3football.com/notables/2011/05/manlove-elected-to-hall-of-fame



Congratulations to Coach Manlove!

Pep is looking forward to the day when the College Football Hall of Fame inducts the (legendary) Alfred Football Coach Alex Yunevich (177-85-12), who coached Li'l Alf' to six undefeated seasons during his long stint at AU, from 1937-1976, with a few years off during WWII when he served with the US Navy.

The only deterrent to Yuni's induction is the list of nominees is arranged alphabetically and by the time voters get to "Y" they've already made their selections.  ;)

On Saxon Warriors!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on June 02, 2011, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: kate on April 29, 2011, 09:44:35 AM
Good morning, dunleigh!  Yes, welcome to the board!  I'm from Belvidere, NJ, and while we were not farmers, we were surrounded by them, so i grew to appreciate everything they were doing.  Our son graduated from DVC in '97 (had nothing to do with any sport, unfortunately).  Since then, i've been a "hopeless homer"  :), and followed Del Val sports (mostly women's basketball) religiously.  Their football team has made a remarkable turn around in the last several years.  It's been a blast to follow them!  Did you know that the college is hosting a Diversity Conference on May 25th?  All the way around, i see Del Val really moving forward.  The MAC is tremendous, strong & always interesting with headquarters out there at Lebanon Valley College in Annville.  I specifically like the MAC cause as a conference, they are diverse.  Best luck to your son as he starts his college and football career.  Usually, i'm over on the women's b'ball board, but like to pop over here once in awhile.

KS just noticed this post.  Belvidere, I hate you guys.   :D  I grew up in Mansfield and went to Warren Hills, was on the team that beat Belvidere for the first time since 63 back in 78.  Moving to Port Colden at the end of the month.  KS is finally going home.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on June 03, 2011, 09:24:54 AM
Hi Knightstalker!  Moving back to God's Country - welcome home.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FBP on June 23, 2011, 11:09:58 PM
Hi Dunliegh,

I am also a new parent to the D3 football post.  I just wanted to let you know that my son was also being recruited in the MAC division and some schools in the New England area.  He was being recruited by some DIV II, but mostly DIV III. We visited quite a few schools and were told basically the same things by each school.  It sounded a lot like what you were being told.  We also concluded after our visits that coaches will say anything to get you to go to their school.  I do however have a lot of respect for these coaches..they do put a lot of time and effort into their recruiting process. 

My son decided to go with a New England School.  We are from Pennsylvania.   We turned this school down quite a few times because we felt it was too far.  Then one day (late in the recruiting process) we got another call and decided to give it a try.  I'm glad that coach was persistent and glad we decided to take the trip because my son really liked it.     

We hope he sees some playing time this year but...as the coach stated .....whether you are the number 1 recruit or the number 6 recruit....the best player plays!  So who knows....we will have to wait and see.  So as you see we are in the same boat as you. 

I wish you the best of luck with your son and the upcoming football season! 





Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on June 23, 2011, 11:57:41 PM
 FBP,
Was it Western New England? My son had heard from them on and off and in March he finally spoke with them. We had avoided them originally due to distance. Once he spoke to them I looked them up and realized they were probably worth a look....nice size, team looked good, and price in line with others...It was just getting late and he liked his other choices and I think we were tired of traveling to see these schools etc. I did realize then that there were probable many that we wrote off for no good reason. I hope he made the right choice.

Good luck to your son! Is he working out hard? Mine took about month off (except for normal lifting) due to prom, graduation, wisdom teeth etc. Now he is getting back into it.

We didn't know much about the conferences. Our coach told us NJAC was the most competitive and if he went D3 to go NJAC, but Rowan was too close to home, TCNJ might not have been a good fit academically, and for various reasons we decided the MAC looked like the way to go. Here's hoping Albright has a great 4 years coming!

One good thing would have been that in the NJAC rosters are limited to 100 and he would probably have had a better idea where he stands. Practices are probably more efficient with a smaller team as well.

Once again, enjoy the season. Our first JV game is 8/27 (thereabouts) and I assume as a freshman he'll be playing in that....only 2 months away!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FBP on June 24, 2011, 08:57:07 PM
Dunliegh,  it was not Western New England but a school in that division.  We passed on some  schools for the same reasons.....we were tired of driving around or the distance.  We did regret not starting our visits earlier so that we could have went to more schools.  But we do feel confident with his choice.  (but not liking the 5 hour ride to see the games)

He is working out hard and our games start labor day weekend.

My husband can not wait! He's been waiting for this for 12 years! (Hopefully he wont be waiting another year or two.)  (ha ha)       
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on June 24, 2011, 10:29:43 PM
Is there a thread somewhere that compares the strengths of conferences? Which conferences are "more competitive" and what does that really mean? Is it a matter of who sends more teams to the playoffs? Should a recruit consider the competitiveness? Obviously everybody wants to be on a winning team. Doesn't a weaker player have a better chance in a weaker conference (of getting actual playing time?)

I always called my first con my "practice child", unfortunately we didn't get to practice football recruiting with him. I wish we had because I think I lost sight of the scholarship potential of D2 schools outside of the PSAC and even of the schools further away in that conference. THe PSAC schools nearest us have limited scholarship funds. I forgot to encourage the further schools because I forgot that scholarship $ could offset travel costs to see him..

That said, we are all happy with his MAC conference choice.  We liked a few of the MAC schools and everything about his choice seems to fit and it's 1.5-2 hours away. He didn't pick the one with the best record, but hopefully they'll get there! I hope that having real (not imagined!) D2 potential means he should have strong chances to see first year playing time in D3. My hubby and I have also been hopeful for him to play in college. We feel very lucky to get to keep watching him play because there are many who aren't.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 25, 2011, 06:16:55 PM
There's not a thread but our columnist writes an annual piece where we rank them. We also rank them before the season in Kickoff, our preseason magazine-style online publication.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2010/ranking-the-conferences
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on June 25, 2011, 06:42:00 PM
good info! Personally glad to see the NJAC and MAC so close in ranking! A lot of the top conferences are too far for us to ever have considered. Do you think there'll be much changes in this year's rankings based on last season finishes? When I get a chance I'll look at the playoff teams and see what I think for myself too. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 25, 2011, 07:44:59 PM
I don't want to preview too much what might appear in Kickoff, and of course Keith would have his own opinion that would factor into the decision, but I can see a couple places where playoff results will shuffle conferences in the top 10.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AggiesFan123 on July 26, 2011, 03:26:07 PM
Was on lunch and saw this article posted about former DelVal coach Mangus. What a shame, hes a good man and i hope he is brought back from suspension quickly and no other forms of punishment are handed out.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/south-carolina-assistant-coach-arrested-for-urinating-on-curb

Now on to new business. Camps open up in a few weeks, who is everyones favorites to win the MAC? Can the Aggies make it a four peat with so many lost starters
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on July 28, 2011, 04:02:38 PM
Not sure who the oddsmaker's favorite is....but MY favorite to win is Abright. This will be my learning year because my son is new to the program, so I can't decide based on talent. I HOPE the Aggies don't win, only because he didn't choose to go there!

That stinks about the coach recently suspended at DelVal. He did a stupid thing, but nothing so terrible as to cost his job. I hope they use it as a teaching experience of why you shouldn't drink too much, or how NOT to behave.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on July 28, 2011, 05:48:22 PM
Hi Dunleigh!  Actually the suspension came out of the South Carolina Camp.  He was always a good man while with the Aggies!   He started that ball rolling (no pun there) for us, and for that we are very thankful!  What he does after leaving D'town is, thankfully, not our problem.  Just sad to read about it
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AggiesFan123 on August 08, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
G.A was reinstated at South Carolina and rightfully so. I can't wait to see him back on the sidelines this year. As far as 2011, i really don't believe there is a team that enters camp as the front runner to easily walk away with the conference. The Aggies have to be in the discussion to win their fourth in a row, however they took a huge hit in graduation (especially on offense) The biggest issue is who will lead the offense, since the QB (can't remember his name sorry!) graduated last year. I do believe that you need to include Albright in the conversation to win it this year, they are always contenders and in the last few years it seems the game between DVC and the Lions always has a huge impact on the winner of the conference. Regardless i am really excited to see how the MAC unfolds this year, it should be a great season and i wish the best to every team entering camp.

I do have to say that, I was somewhat surprised to see that no MAC Team in the top 25 as well. DVC was on the outside looking in but i was very surprised to see not a single team made it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2011, 03:01:37 PM
If not Del Val, who would it have been?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 08, 2011, 04:06:07 PM
Mark Hatty was Del Val's quarterback last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AggiesFan123 on August 09, 2011, 10:11:06 AM
Thanks Gordon i couldn't remember his name
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on August 11, 2011, 08:43:07 PM
Where's PBR to chat about the MAC poll just out today?   Aggies picked to finish first, just a poll, but fun!  GO DEL VAL!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on August 11, 2011, 08:45:39 PM
link to a video of the poll results
http://www.gomacsports.com/news/2011/8/11/FB_0811113855.aspx

is there any schedule or info on scrimmages?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on August 25, 2011, 11:50:34 PM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2011 TOP 25 FAN POLL, PLEASE SEND ME A MESSAGE WITH YOUR CURRENT EMAIL ADDRESS. Now that Kickoff is out, I'd like to get our first poll out by the middle of next week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ZeroMischief on August 28, 2011, 05:39:42 PM
My son is an offensive lineman for the Aggies, and I am looking forward to another great season from Delaware Valley.  The defense has all but remained intact from last year, returning 8 of 11 starters.  The offense will be the make or break for the Aggies.  The story that not too many are aware of is the quarterback battle brewing in Doylestown.  With the departing of Mark Hatty to graduation, it appeared as senior Cory Almasy would be primed to step in as the Aggies' starter for 2011.  However, a goldmine fell into the lap of DVC during the off-season as West Chester transfer Aaron Wilmer arrived on campus.  He was in a battle for the starting spot at WCU as a freshman last season, but was unsuccessful and red-shirted.  Unhappy, he transferred, and now calls Delaware Valley his home.  After watching the Green/Gold game, and yersterday's scrimmage versus Ursinus, I'd be surprised if this is not Wilmer's team come Saturday for the season opener against Muhlenberg.  He was a part of 4 if not all 5 of DVC's touchdowns in yesterday's scrimmage.  Time will tell.  Can't wait for Saturday!!!

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 02, 2011, 10:19:26 AM
Good luck to every one of the MAC teams opening their seasons tomorrow!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AggiesFan123 on September 02, 2011, 10:43:30 AM
Best of luck to all the MAC teams in the openers tomorrow. Especially DVC, lets get this campaign going right guys
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 02, 2011, 03:12:22 PM
Where is Pbr?  Has he left the Delaware Valley?  Usually, he's posted by this time.   Good luck to the Green & Gold tomorrow afternoon taking on those Mules!  Unfortunately, we can't make it to Doylestown, but i'll be following live stats
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 02, 2011, 04:35:37 PM
Can't believe I'm saying this, but good luck Lyco! (My cousin's playing there.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 02, 2011, 06:18:40 PM
PBR left the boards last year after a disagreement.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2011, 06:31:06 PM
That's not true -- he's posted over the summer and looks like he's logged in within the past week or so.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 02, 2011, 07:47:23 PM
Ah, I thought he had left the boards, just lurking.  That is good, creepy but good.   :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 02, 2011, 09:52:40 PM
Programming note...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Muhlenberg
For those who can't make it Doylestown on Labor Day weekend, you can listen to the game through a live broadcast here (http://athletics.delval.edu/sports/2008/9/5/FB_09football%20broadcast.aspx?path=football)Kickoff is at 1 pm with pregame coverage at 12:40.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 03, 2011, 09:47:13 AM
Whew, so glad that Pbr is still with us!   Hey Knightstalker, we're all "creepy" & kind a "strange" in our own ways  ;)!  As my Dear Dad used to say "Takes all kinds, Bum, Takes all kinds".  Why he called me "bum" is beyond me  :)!   That being said - GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 03, 2011, 03:51:01 PM
The 2011 Aggies - NOT for the faint of heart!!!   Just won in OT beating a very  good Muhlenberg team, 10 to 9!!!   Congrats to them!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 03, 2011, 03:52:08 PM
Wowser! That was an exciting ending!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 05, 2011, 11:30:25 AM
An interesting day in the MAC on opening weekend...close wins by Lyco and DVC, and a painfully close loss for Wilkes :-[

For as disappointing as the last few minutes of regulation and overtime were for the Colonels faithful, the team showed some real flashes of brilliance on Saturday. While a few opportunities to seal the deal on sacks didn't come through, I thought the Wilkes D did a great job of pressuring Susquehanna in the second half. On offense, the Colonels were able to run the ball consistently, and the combination of George/Bernstein to Eagles may be as good as any pass/catch combo in the league this season.

Saturday's loss was a tough one, especially for those of us who were around for some great triumphs by the Colonels against Susquehanna in the "old" 10-team MAC. But lots to build on and take away for a big week on the road.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 05, 2011, 12:30:20 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 05, 2011, 11:30:25 AM
An interesting day in the MAC on opening weekend...close wins by Lyco and DVC, and a painfully close loss for Wilkes :-[

For as disappointing as the last few minutes of regulation and overtime were for the Colonels faithful, the team showed some real flashes of brilliance on Saturday. While a few opportunities to seal the deal on sacks didn't come through, I thought the Wilkes D did a great job of pressuring Susquehanna in the second half. On offense, the Colonels were able to run the ball consistently, and the combination of George/Bernstein to Eagles may be as good as any pass/catch combo in the league this season.

Saturday's loss was a tough one, especially for those of us who were around for some great triumphs by the Colonels against Susquehanna in the "old" 10-team MAC. But lots to build on and take away for a big week on the road.

Hope all is well with you. It's a loss but not in conference. ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 07, 2011, 12:18:06 PM
Was fascinated by the Widener score last weekend. Is Widener that much improved, or is Moravian rather weak?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 08, 2011, 08:39:09 PM
Programming note for posters and lurkers alike...

Delaware Valley (1-0)
at
Washington & Jefferson (1-0)

Kickoff is at 1:30 pm with pregame coverage beginning at 1:10 pm.  Click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx) to listen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 09, 2011, 07:58:58 AM
Quote from: bill on September 07, 2011, 12:18:06 PM
Was fascinated by the Widener score last weekend. Is Widener that much improved, or is Moravian rather weak?

Don't know much about Moravian, but I saw Widener scrimmage Wesley. The quarterback looked pretty solid and they have some talented receivers. O-Line looked about the same as previous years (haven't seen them since 2007 though.) They had one nice drive through the air but I don't think they got any points out of it. The Wesley offense pretty much had their way with the defense during "game" portion. I think they could contend especially if DelVal and Lyco continue to struggle on offense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 09, 2011, 03:36:41 PM
Hello Gordon!  Great job with the Aggie/Mules game last Saturday!   The end was incredible!   As to your "lurkers" & "posters" comment, just want to tell the lurkers, and You know who you are :P, please start posting again.  Thanks, again, Gordon for the exciting call of the game at the last second.   Good luck with Washington & Jefferson this week, Del Val.  They did a number on Juniata 40 to 0, right? - yikes
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2011, 11:28:15 PM
Thanks, Kate.  I'm here in Washington, PA now preparing for the game while sitting in a Red Roof Inn.  Let no one say Division III football is not glamorous.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2011, 09:52:50 AM
Gordon - You are living the life........you could be in a motel where you bring your own sheets and pay by the hour :)

Serious questions:

1. Is there any video that you are aware of for last week's DVC vs. Muhlenberg game?

2. I see that the Aggies game has a live video feed today. Why isn't it available for all Aggies games and what would it take from a technology standpoint and an expense standpoint? I know a few alumns who would write the check if it's solely about the cost.

Thanks and have a great day in Washington, PA.

Jay
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2011, 12:53:47 PM
Jay:

Good to hear from you.  I don't think there's any video from last week's game beyond the game film.  There is, however, a video highlight of the game tying touchdown. It may be in D3football.com's weekly highlight reel. If not, I can find it for you when I'm on a faster internet connection.

The video feed for today's game is provided by Washington & Jefferson College. The home teams usually handle video. This is W&J's first attempt at video. Take a look and let me know what you think because I think we can duplicate the technology at Del Val.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 10, 2011, 03:51:22 PM
Hello fellow MAC posters:

My life is crazy of late and I have not even been paying attention to what has been going on with D-III this season.  For instance, I did not even know Lycoming was playing Rowan let alone upset them with tough defense until several days after the game.  I hope to stay a bit more tuned in but you can never tell when you are in the military assigned to DC for duty.

It appears that the Warriors will go 2-0 as they are pounding Westminster now with only minutes to go.  Perhaps the lads from Williamsport will contend for the MAC crown - as usual Coach W. has the defense snarling and scrapping for every yard.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 10, 2011, 04:20:44 PM
Another "heart attack city" game for the Aggies, as they held on to beat a great Washington & Jefferson team 20 to 19!  Again, congrats for the big away win!   Didn't hear your call of the game, Gordon, as my computer wouldn't plug me into the audio, couldn't get the video either, but the live stats were spot on.  GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 10, 2011, 10:53:19 PM
Exciting win by Stevenson in 2OT over CNU, 46-43. Congrats to Coach Hottle and his kids.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on September 10, 2011, 11:22:36 PM
Congrats to Albright, going 2-0 with a convincing win against Geneva, 46-10. Next up is Wilkes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2011, 11:41:26 PM
Yep, it was a nice non-conference showing for the MAC teams. They finish the two-year MAC-PAC challenge with an 11-3 record. Wilkes and King's couldn't play today because of the flooding.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Captain Bob on September 11, 2011, 12:26:20 AM
Quote from: Conrad on September 10, 2011, 10:53:19 PM
Exciting win by Stevenson in 2OT over CNU, 46-43. Congrats to Coach Hottle and his kids.

An absolute thriller.  Congrats from Newport News.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 12, 2011, 09:51:21 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 10, 2011, 03:51:22 PM
Hello fellow MAC posters:

My life is crazy of late and I have not even been paying attention to what has been going on with D-III this season.  For instance, I did not even know Lycoming was playing Rowan let alone upset them with tough defense until several days after the game.  I hope to stay a bit more tuned in but you can never tell when you are in the military assigned to DC for duty.

It appears that the Warriors will go 2-0 as they are pounding Westminster now with only minutes to go.  Perhaps the lads from Williamsport will contend for the MAC crown - as usual Coach W. has the defense snarling and scrapping for every yard.

ATB

You are stationed in DC now?  I am so sorry, no military man in his right mind ever wants to get near DC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 12, 2011, 08:52:57 PM
gordon, looking for a game to see this weekend.  what are your feelings on the del val - leb val tilt?  leb val looks ok on paper at least and they did go 5-2 in the mac last year.  del val d looks good as usual, offense may be down from the last couple of years.  let me know when you get a chance.  traveled to bridgewater to hang with stone station in week one and went to kean last weekend, think maybe a shorter drive is in order this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 15, 2011, 08:59:34 AM
Good luck to the DVC Aggies this weekend as they take on the Lebanon Valley College Dutchmen at home.   This weekend's weather looks to be more conducive to football - much cooler!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 15, 2011, 06:16:01 PM
Wes Dad:

I wrote you a long, detailed analysis. Then I hit the wrong button and it all disappeared instead of posting.

So here's the very short version. :)

Del Val has a really good run defense and Ben Guiles is a really good running back. That makes for an entertaining match up. Del Val's offense needs to improve for them to meet the high expectations which now include a national ranking. The freshman quarterback, Aaron Wilmer, looks really special, but he needs better protection.

If you can get to this game, hopefully it's a good one. And if not, then consider driving to Chester instead for the match up between Lycoming and Widener, which should be very good.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 15, 2011, 07:40:13 PM
gordan, thanks for the info.  i had thought about the widener game but i had heard about the scrimmage against wesley which didnt sound very good for widener.  the drive is easy, 10 minutes so i think my choice will be made by how i feel after happy hour tomorrow evening.  wake up feeling good, trip to delval and see the ranked team play; feeling a little groggy may lead to widener.  may see you saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 16, 2011, 03:53:11 PM
Before i type my brief post, just want to reiterate "PBR - You Are Missed!"   And now, that's the beauty of the MAC football teams, truly on any given week!  Just a few years ago FDU knocked off Del Val, and last year in that final regular season game, Widener beat us.   Not, certainly, that i like when that happens, but it sure shows parity.   GO Aggies!!!  I'll be following Gordon's call on the computer.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 16, 2011, 08:33:01 PM
Gordon - I had a problem accessing the video of the DVC vs. W&J game last week. I was attempting to download something to be able to watch but it didn't work. I remember watching the DVC at Iona game on the internet a couple of years ago and technology keeps evolving. Hopefully DVC can figure out a way to stream it's games. I'll say hello to you at tomorrow;s game.

On a totally unrelated note.........(1) have you heard anything about the DVC Men's Hoops team re: freshmen and/or transfers and; (2) any news on Brandon Totten's replacement for the wrestling team?

Thanks Gordon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 16, 2011, 10:16:16 PM
Jay:

Sounds good. Please do say hello tomorrow.

I don't know anything about the wrestling coach or hoops teams. I do a lot of work for D3hoops.com but am pretty much clueless when it comes to wrestling.

Gordon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 16, 2011, 10:20:44 PM
MAC play gets off to an exciting start with Lycoming visiting Widener and Leb Val coming to Del Val. If you can't get to the latter game...

Lebanon Valley (2-0)
vs.
Delaware Valley (2-0)

Kickoff is 1 pm which means pregame coverage starts at 12:40 pm. Listen to the broadcast here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-football-2011).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 17, 2011, 09:45:04 AM
after taking a look at both games, del val - leb val and lyco - widener, i have a feeling the del val - leb val game is going to be a good one so i am making the short ride to doylestown to see that game.  be interesting to see have del val is doing this year and see if leb val is for real.  gordon, i will stop by and chat.  great day to watch a football game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2011, 11:47:20 AM
wesleydad - After the game, stroll through bucolic Doylestown and stop at a nice restaurant for a bite to eat and drink...............vs. Chester. No contest:)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 17, 2011, 03:37:31 PM
Nice win today Aggies!   We have our very own T.O.!  ;)   The only bad score this afternoon was Penn State coming from behind to defeat the Temple Owls, 14/10.   The way this very inexperienced football follower sees this MAC season is that Widener should be feared, but i sure hope that DVC continues to play every team real TOUGH!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2011, 04:52:11 PM
Great win for the Aggies today. Aaron Wilmer seems like the real deal just 3 games into his freshman year. Lebanon Valley has three very good running backs and a very good receiver in #1 (Joey Smith?) but can't stop the pass and can't really throw the ball. The top three of four teams in the MAC all have a chance and I don't see anybody pulling away with it. The MAC very well may be decided on the last week of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on September 17, 2011, 07:45:47 PM
Just gotta say it...nobody runs on the Aggies defense...All American or not! Congrats on a nice MAC opening win! Keep rolling DelVal!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 17, 2011, 10:04:44 PM
enjoyed the game today.  i saw 2 above average teams, one made too many mistakes to win.  game was much closer than the score would indicate.  maAggie, will have to disagree about no one running on the aggies d, guiles had 100 + yards on 13 carries, think he averaged over 7 yards per carry, i dont know why he didnt carry it more.  del val has a nice qb who will get betteras he plays and the running back is very good.  they will be tough and are likely the team to beat in the del val.  leb val will win most of their games too.  the jury is still out on widener as it seems they are getting by with d and special teams scores.  gordan, nice to see you as always, thanks for asking about my son, really appreciated.  good luck the rest of the year, i will chat with you here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 18, 2011, 12:26:05 AM
No problem.  Good to see you, too.

By the way, Guiles final line was 13 carries for 67 yards. Kyle Schuberth of Del Val had 18 carries for 139 yards (7.7 per carry).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 18, 2011, 08:37:59 AM
gordan, thanks for the correction, still think he should carry the ball more.  guiles looked like he could break a long one on any carry.  schuberth will be a good one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 18, 2011, 11:30:46 PM
No problem. Agree on Guiles who was Preseason All American for D3football. Del Val has a way of making great backs look pedestrian. Building an 18-point halftime lead doesn't hurt either.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dc21aggies on September 20, 2011, 02:08:53 PM
Del Val runs the MAC .... been that way since 04 and looks like the aggie machine will just keep rolling with the emergence of another stud QB....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 21, 2011, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: dc21aggies on September 20, 2011, 02:08:53 PM
Del Val runs the MAC .... been that way since 04 and looks like the aggie machine will just keep rolling with the emergence of another stud QB....

Could be. On the other hand, are you familiar with the proverb, "pride goeth before the fall"?   ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 21, 2011, 06:42:18 PM
Hello Warren, my mother recited that proverb to me all the time growing up.  I do have to admit that i agree with you.  If the Aggies are going to continue their strong play, they will have to really be on top of their game (no pun intended).  Widener & Albright loom large on the horizon.   Have to admit, tho, it's been fun following them on live stats the last three Saturdays.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 23, 2011, 09:46:34 AM
Actually, should add to the previous post that i mostly listened to Gordon's call of the game, and only checked live stats after leaving the computer for brief periods of time.    ;)   Just hope it's not pouring rain tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 24, 2011, 02:05:53 AM
It's raining. It's pouring. Will Del Val be scoring?

These and other corny rhymes for those who can't make the soggy drive to New Jersey.

Delaware Valley
vs
FDU-Florham

Kickoff is 1 pm with pregame at 12:40 pm.  Stay nice and dry inside and click here (http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/stcasx/3c3winlive3370/play.asx) to listen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 24, 2011, 08:14:08 AM
gordon, will be making the drive to nj, but to rowan for the cortland - rowan game.  hope the rain holds off, not a big fan anymore of watching games in the rain since i have no stake in the game.  safe travels and good luck to del val.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 24, 2011, 04:17:55 PM
A big win for Wilkes this afternoon beating Widener - congratulations!   Please keep up the scoring Aggies!  Have to admit, listened to the Phil's game, don't know why, they lost, but at least DVC put plenty of points on the board.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on September 24, 2011, 07:41:16 PM
Albright put up a big score again 57-17. Last week they beat Wilkes 65-26. Widener lost to Wilkes this week. Should we now expect Albright to beat Widener? Albright is off to a great start!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 25, 2011, 12:31:52 PM
Albright is off to a great start. Tough stretch for them coming up: at Lycoming, home for Leb Val, home for Del Val. I see this as a six team race and don't discount the teams who have just one loss.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on September 26, 2011, 12:40:35 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 25, 2011, 12:31:52 PM
Albright is off to a great start. Tough stretch for them coming up: at Lycoming, home for Leb Val, home for Del Val. I see this as a six team race and don't discount the teams who have just one loss.

Tough stretch is right although I have no problem with feeling the MAC winner will have to survive a trip to or from Reading from where I sit.  Maybe that extra game and the team mentality is paying off for Albright.  Nice to see.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 30, 2011, 08:23:12 PM
Really hard to believe that tomorrows'  games mark the fifth week of the season.  Good luck to Del Val taking on Stevenson for Family Day at the college!   PBR, if you're lurking, please return to the site.   Gordon, you've been doing a great job with the Aggie coverage - tomorrow, since the Phils aren't on until 5, i will listen to the entire game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 01, 2011, 02:28:34 AM
Thanks, Kate. On that note...

Stevenson
vs.
Delaware Valley

It's the first meeting on the gridiron ever.  Kickoff is 1 pm with pregame coverage at 12:40. Click here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-football-2011) to listen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 01, 2011, 08:03:44 PM
This board is far too somnambulist for my tastes and I have not been my usual posting self either.  That said, here is my opine:

Congrats to the Warriors for their gritty win against Albright today in rainy Williamsport.  Nice to see the Defense leading the team - the hallmark of nearly every quality team Lycoming produced over the last 30 years or more.  Perhaps Lyco can compete for the MAC crown this season despite DVC and others.  One thing for sure, no one who has yet to play them can count the game as anything other than a tough nut to crack.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 02, 2011, 10:01:25 AM
That was a great win yesterday for Lyco!  Congrats to them.   Yes, this site could put people to sleep, and i'm no help there, as basketball is my main sport.  Certainly very proud of the Aggies, tho!!!   Widener really ran that score up yesterday - i don't think at this point that anyone watching the MAC can say that the Championship will be a "walk in the park".   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dc21aggies on October 02, 2011, 08:04:32 PM
went and seen it with my own eyes this weekend... Del Val was dominent against stevenson... great to see the machine take care of business.... good to see the the aggie family in great shape from the players to the coaches to the press box
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 03, 2011, 11:41:35 AM
Good to see you, too, DC. Hopefully some of the catches in the first half reminded you of, well, you. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 03, 2011, 05:51:14 PM
From everything i've read on here, Wilkes is an extremely difficult place to play.  Hang tough Del Val!  Hopefully, a ton of Aggie fans will be there to support you (i'll be on the computer listening to Gordon's call of the game), so please play hard, and bring home the W!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 03, 2011, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: dc21aggies on October 02, 2011, 08:04:32 PM
went and seen it with my own eyes this weekend... Del Val was dominent against stevenson... great to see the machine take care of business.... good to see the the aggie family in great shape from the players to the coaches to the press box

well this was enough to bring pbr out of hibernation...if this is who pbr thinks it is good to see you on the boards. There are some fisher fans who still have nightmares about you and that game....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: JT on October 03, 2011, 11:42:39 PM
Quote from: PBR... on October 03, 2011, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: dc21aggies on October 02, 2011, 08:04:32 PM
went and seen it with my own eyes this weekend... Del Val was dominent against stevenson... great to see the machine take care of business.... good to see the the aggie family in great shape from the players to the coaches to the press box

well this was enough to bring pbr out of hibernation...if this is who pbr thinks it is good to see you on the boards. There are some fisher fans who still have nightmares about you and that game....

A PBR sighting... holy crap.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 04, 2011, 12:29:18 PM
A DC posting, a PBR posting, now if we can just get a Phils win tonight, it'll be a perfect day!  Please keep those thoughts coming, Men!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 04, 2011, 08:56:37 PM
PBR, you are one popular dude.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AggiesFan123 on October 06, 2011, 10:18:24 AM
Does anyone know if there was any suspensions handed out from the DVC-Steveson fight?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 07, 2011, 10:20:43 AM
Tough game for the Aggies tomorrow up in Wilkes Barre!   Please hang tough  DVC - just like the Phillies tonight, believe you CAN do it, and bring home the W!   GOOD LUCK, to the Phils, too!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 07, 2011, 12:00:16 PM
Long time, no see everyone! Hope all is well  :)

Big game this Saturday at the newly-renamed Schmidt Stadium between DVC and Wilkes. As is always the case, I will not predict victory or defeat. But I will say that if the Colonels show up and play the way they did against Widener, the Aggies are going to have their hands full....

Gordon, if you'll be in the house, please say hello! I normally sit near the press box (which is a new structure this season) so i'll keep an eye out for you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 07, 2011, 11:48:43 PM
Del Val usually does have its hands full when it heads to Wilkes. I'll be there wearing my Tigers hat, as usual.  Please do stop by.

And if you can't stop by...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Wilkes

Kickoff at Schmidt Stadium is at 1 pm so our pregame coverage begins at 12:40 pm. Click here (http://athletics.delval.edu/sports/2008/9/5/FB_09football%20broadcast.aspx?id=41) to listen.

PS - No Del Val suspensions for tomorrow from the Stevenson situation.  Don't know how Stevenson is handling it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 08, 2011, 10:04:39 AM
Aggies - PLEASE do NOT do what the Phillies did last night :-\ - they definitely did not "hang tough".   You can do it this afternoon - GO DEL VAL!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 08, 2011, 04:22:29 PM
Thank You, Aggies for brightening up my weekend!  Del Val hung on for a 14/6 victory over a very good Wilkes squad this afternoon.  Congratulations!!!   The test gets tougher next week at Albright, but for now enjoy that win!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 09, 2011, 10:11:24 AM
So glad Ryan Tipps was wrong in his prediction (Around the Nation) as he had the Aggies as one of the top 25 to be beaten.  My fear is Sat. when they meet up with Albright who will be hopping mad after their loss yesterday.  Of course, Lycoming and Widener are no walks in the park either.  Just stay healthy, Aggies and as always, keep those penalties at a minimum.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 12, 2011, 08:15:27 PM
Forecast has winds over 40 miles/hour for Saturday's showdown between the Delaware Valley College Aggies and the Lions of Albright College.   Hope both teams enjoy playing in that atmosphere - luckily it's the same for both squads.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 13, 2011, 05:25:48 PM
Please, lurkers on this site - as proud as i am of our Aggies, i'd really like knowledgeable posters to get on here, and talk up these up-coming games!   Have to admit, i'm jealous of these other league sites who babble on about their respective teams - fun to read for sure, but would much rather be reading about the competition in the MAC!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 14, 2011, 01:15:20 PM
Come on Aggie posters!!! - In today's Daily Dose, Keith McMillan just identified Del Val as the Top 25 team most likely to be beaten this week by Albright.   Ryan Tipps was wrong last week (not by much  :-\), but WRONG - let's support & make DARN sure that Keith is WRONG this week - GO DEL VAL!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2011, 01:30:40 AM
We interrupt this string of posts by Kate to bring you a programming announcement. :)

Delaware Valley
vs.
Albright

If you can't make it to Reading for the game, click here (http://athletics.delval.edu/sports/2008/9/5/FB_09football%20broadcast.aspx?id=41) to listen.  Kickoff is 1 pm tomorrow with pregame coverage at 12:40 pm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 15, 2011, 04:15:11 PM
Thrilled to report Keith was wrong - Aggies remain undefeated this afternoon beating Albright 20/10.  Three games remaining, and none of them will be easy, especially that away game with Lycoming.  Good call of the game Gordon!  Keep plugging Del Val!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on October 15, 2011, 06:50:50 PM
I think that Keith and Pat have a difficult time forgetting DelVal's years as cellar dwellers...I too read the pre-game predictions and could not believe my eyes...they own Albright--always have...nice job Aggies dominating defenses year after year! Keep rolling--don't let Lyco or heaven-forbid, Widener derail you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 16, 2011, 01:48:28 AM
I doubt that, maAggie. How long has that been? A decade and what, three coaches ago? I think it's respect for the fact that there a few tough places to play in the MAC for a young team. And a No. 14 team in the country should probably beat those teams by more, so it's pretty fair

And I would challenge you, ma, to show me anywhere where I said anything of the sort. If you're going to throw off some hackneyed "analysis" let's make sure you know who you're talking to.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 16, 2011, 10:05:56 AM
Holy smokes, Pat - it would be nice to encourage posters on this site.  Yes, i know you're the head honcho, & everyone is sincerely grateful for this place where we can share our pride and love for our teams, but whoa!  Del Val was in the cellar not that long ago and i still remember a horrible newspaper article by the then Aggie coach bemoaning how hard it was to recruit.  Then there was Mangus who showed the world what a positive attitude can do, followed by Clements who is carrying on brilliantly!  We remember :(!   So, this is the best time in Aggie sports history - hope all prognosticators keep saying that the Aggies will likely go down, and that the Aggies will CONTINUE to prove em WRONG!  Of course, thanks, again for providing the site.  GO DEL VAL!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2011, 10:15:40 AM
Pat - With all due respect (and I sincerely do appreciate all that you guys do here), there is a way to deliver a message without being so mean spirited.......especially to an elderly woman. You've got to get some thicker skin. This is not real serious stuff in the scheme of life or in the pecking order of sports to be quite frank. You don't have to be a gregarious, fun, joking personality type to take the response off of the "mean meter"......sheesh.

"Let's make sure you know who you're talking to"......what?? Pat, again with all due respect, get off of your high horse. I believe that she not only knows who she's talking to but more importantly, who she's not talking to. Let's chill out here. I've got a very close friend who is a defensive coordinator for an NFL team getting wacked right now and he is getting buried on tv, radio, the internet, while shopping and his wife and kids are hearing it........and he hasn't reacted whatsoever. Enough of that.......

"And a No. 14 team in the country should probably beat those teams by more"......again, what??
That comment in and of itself tells me something. The young Aggies offense (only one senior and a QB only seven games into his run) beat a team on the road by ten points (I bet Kean would take that:) and only gave up ten points (with seven being the direct result of a fumble the first play of the second half deep in their own territory) to a team that put up 65 points against Wilkes.......who beat Widener. If you weren't at the game, you didn't see the dominance on the field.

To me, it's about the purity of football at a no-pay-to-play level. Winning your conference, against teams with equal playing fields in terms up financial aid packages, academics, etc. is truly what it's about. Being 14th ranked, 19th ranked, not ranked, who cares.........win a conference championship and anything else is gravy. Margin of victory is meaningless in the win column and not showing mercy against Kings and FDU is just a lack of sportmanship and class.

Small private schools (Mount Union aside) will have a hard time competing with the UWW's of the world given the funding the University of Wisconsin receives, the cheaper tuition, facilities (paid for primarily by the state), etc. Who cares if the champ of the NEFC can win a playoff game......the are the champions of the fair, equal opportunity conference and that's all that matters.

Great game by a stout Aggies defense and a very young Aggies offense:)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2011, 10:23:02 AM
Kate - Spot on!! This is a great site and all of the work is very appreciated but the feeling of being called out and bullied is very distasteful. There is a much nicer way to deliver the same message........but that is waht the internet has created. Social skills in society as a whole are going down the you know what as people can say whatever they want on a computer. I'd be a failure in my line of work if I didn't have great social skills (and a great feel for the financial markets) :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 16, 2011, 11:15:40 AM
Why was it so "hard" to recruit pre-Mangus? How did he change things? Did other conditions also change at Delaware Valley to make recruitment easier?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 16, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
I figure the previous coach just wasn't that good at recruiting.  Probably just got the kids that wanted to go to Del Val and didn't work for the ones that weren't sure where they wanted to go.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 16, 2011, 01:48:16 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2011, 10:15:40 AM
Pat - With all due respect (and I sincerely do appreciate all that you guys do here), there is a way to deliver a message without being so mean spirited.......especially to an elderly woman. You've got to get some thicker skin. This is not real serious stuff in the scheme of life or in the pecking order of sports to be quite frank. You don't have to be a gregarious, fun, joking personality type to take the response off of the "mean meter"......sheesh.

Welcome to the board. I know you're not as long-tenured here as maAggie is but at the end of a long day and 350 miles driving to cover Division III football, I'm not in the mood to read about what I supposedly haven't forgotten ... from 2002.

I'm not saying "know who you're talking to" like "do you know who you're talking to?" but just to say those exact words -- if you're going to talk to someone talk to the right person. I have no problem taking criticism for something I've done but let's make sure we don't just throw accusations and assumptions around.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 16, 2011, 03:28:30 PM
At this point I think Del Val's recent success is a really big part of its continued recruiting success.  I don't know enough about the Pre-Mangus era to say how his approach differed from his predecessors'. At this point the coaches can sell the string of conference titles and post-season appearances. And their offensive coordinator, Duke Greco, is a really good recruiter from what I've heard. He handles the City of Philadelphia which has yielded a lot of really good players, including the freshman quarterback Wilmer.

Add that to the fact that Coach Clements does a wonderful job with the defense and you have a winning combination.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on October 16, 2011, 03:39:29 PM
In defense of Pat and the site, it's always tough when people pin statements you never made against you or misconstrue what you meant in the first place.  Both have happened to me on these board since text is a tough means by which to put forth points when context can be lacking in short blurbs like these.  It can be disheartening to read those criticisms when we take plenty of hits for the things we DO say or do daily.

Remember, this site's role is to provide information AND analysis.  The analysis portion is the genesis of the "Triple Take" that became an issue here.  It's not meant to be a slap in the face or a sounding board to put forth agendas -- it's just analysis and predictions.  If it becomes bulletin board material, so be it -- but that's not our intent when we stick our necks out to make predictions here.  Remember, if the opposite prediction had happened, Albright fans would've been just as upset potentially -- it's a no-win situation.  Yet, would you prefer that predictions and analysis disappeared from the site?  I personally think these things add to the product and make the whole package of Saturday more fun -- who was right, who was wrong and who can we rib a bit at the end of the day?  Ultimately, the site does more to promote the student athletes and the programs -- it wouldn't make sense if anyone associated with it was trying to tear down the players or the schools.  We have better things to do than be counterproductive to our own efforts.

A couple weeks back, Gordon and I, both representatives of this site, posted in the East Region Fan Poll message board honest assessments concerning DelVal, with us both explaining how DelVal started in our Top 25 ballots, how they ended up where they were at that point, the future of the program and what we could see happening down the stretch.  We both agreed that the youth on offense could force a loss or two down the stretch, but we also agreed that the team grows by the week because of the experience.  Every team is ripe for a letdown-type game.  Even Mount Union struggled in the mud this year.  Fisher was torn apart by Hobart in a game that seems to run counter to most of the rest of Fisher's season so far.  Salisbury gave up 45 to Utica.  Montclair has had a couple close games.  My point is that the prediction against DelVal wasn't so far off base to draw an appalled type of criticism -- if that's the case, then what Gordon and I said should have been considered blasphemy.

It's fun to see reactions to our statements and fact-based, honest assessments for and against the predictions -- please do continue those since it helps us learn, too.  However, as Pat said, it's good to remember who said what in the first place and to not crucify the predictor for simply making the prediction.  Just say why you disagree and we'll have a nice, respectful debate, I'm sure.  We're all civil here -- we all love the sport, the programs and the players.  Let's enjoy the rest of the season as we encounter the postseason analysis to come.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 16, 2011, 04:05:47 PM
Gordon (or anyone else in the know):

Who are Delaware Valley's chief recruiting rivals?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 16, 2011, 05:17:58 PM
Frank Rossi:

Now if only things could be "civil" in the Politics room ....  :-[
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 16, 2011, 05:29:46 PM
WOW, Frank Rossi - you take this job very seriously.  I was trying my best to get something started on this site by hyping the predictions of Ryan & Keith and it's like you guys "took the bait", although i would have MUCH preferred comment by maAggie and PBR.  Cozeninlaw (sorry i massacred your handle) was a genius in his initial response.  Said it better than i could have ever done it.  Anyway, whew - still say GO AGGIES!  Warren that's a very interesting question.  I would certainly agree that success breeds success in recruiting and winning doesn't hurt any either. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 16, 2011, 06:12:07 PM
Warren:

Good question. My slightly education guess is Widener, Albright and Lycoming. 

Widener has the geographic proximity plus Del Val's coaches have strong connections to Widener so I suspect they have some of the same recruiting connections.  There's always a lot of interaction between the Aggies and the Lions after their games, including yesterday, which suggests they know each other from high school. Lycoming used to recruit pretty well in this corner of the state, but I've heard from the Del Val side that the Aggies' success has eroded that. A couple players have told me their college choice came down to Del Val, Lyco and maybe one other.

Del Val also has a lot of players from New Jersey. I'm not sure if the Aggies are really recruiting rivals for the NJAC schools though, since the public schools have a big price advantage. For example, two semesters of tuition costs about $8,500 at Rowan and about $28,500 at Del Val.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 16, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
I went to homecoming this weekend in Williamsport and left for home - Arlington, VA - at halftime - the Warriors were dominating the Colonels that completely.  Shortly after the kickoff - they were up two more scores - one on a pick returned to the red zone.  The game ended with a dominant, one-sided score.  I sat and talked with a QB from my era who was at the Widener game and talked of all the pass interference calls of the first half and Lycoming's dominance of the second half.  Simply put, it seems to me that Coach Clark has a good team that is rolling along and may roll over some of the pre-season favorites to do well in the MAC.  Frankly, I think the Warriors are good enough to compete with anyone.

As to the DVC recruiting success - it is a complete mystery to me - especially how things were turned around so shortly after Lycoming just completely dominated the entire MAC for several years throughout the 1990s - twice appearing in the national championship game.  You would think the talent in the NJ-PA-NY area would be impressed with that performance and drawn to a program as successful as Lycoming - particularly after a succession of facility improvements to include a gym, recreation center, and new stadium complex.  The only thing I can point to is location - Williamsport is not Bucks County - but Doylestown is no metropolis either. 

Finally, my last mystery, and this one is aimed more towards parents than student-athletes, is given the standing of Lycoming in nation-wide college rankings based on criteria like graduation rate, PhD credentialed instructors, endowment, etc, it is hard to understand, how given nearly unmatched conference athletic success, they would agree to their sons choosing somewhere else other than Lycoming.

I suppose that is why they make Toyotas, Nissans, Hondas and all those other American cars.

ATB 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 16, 2011, 07:33:10 PM
Mangus is a pretty dynamic guy. It wouldn't surprise me that he could sell enough kids on thought of coming to play for him, turn that into success, and then let that success build on itself.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2011, 08:26:44 PM
Lyco80 - "Finally, my last mystery, and this one is aimed more towards parents than student-athletes, is given the standing of Lycoming in nation-wide college rankings based on criteria like graduation rate, PhD credentialed instructors, endowment, etc, it is hard to understand, how given nearly unmatched conference athletic success, they would agree to their sons choosing somewhere else other than Lycoming".

As a graduate of a Centennial Conference school (Swarthmore) but living in bucolic Doylestown (45 minutes by train to Philadelphia, 90 minutes to Avalon, 60 minutes to skiing and 90 minutes to NYC) within walking distance of it's beautiful town.......you're right, Doylestown is not Williamsport:)

I'm not quite sure that Swarthmore, Ursinus, Muhlenberg, Dickinson, Gettysburg, Washington, Bryn Mawr, Franklin & Marshall, etc., spend much time pondering how to become as great as Lycoming. I'm not knocking Lycoming whatsoever but there are at least a few schools across this country (tongue-in-cheek firmly) that come close to it and would give parents a decision to make in terms of where to send their son's.

The best professor I had at Swarthmore was the only prof I ever had without a PhD. He applied his real world knowledge to each lecture and was actually drummed out as a result of his lack of interest in obtaining his doctorate. He went back out into the business world again, retired at 53 as a millionaire many times over, is a philanthropist and is an adjunct faculty member at a local college. I'll take real world experience with an MBA over a PhD with little to no real world experience any day of the week.

I love all schools that give kid's a chance without flaunting their selectivity and exclusivity and this is coming from someone who has lived it first hand.

I had my left ankle replaced (serious car accident) by a wonderful surgeon who actually went to Del Val for his undergraduate degree and my personal attorney went to West Chester and Widener Law and they did/do wonderful work........imagine that :) You can make anything out of this world that you want......you just need to be given the chance and work hard for it. I've hired and fired many Ivy League grads and my best employee over the past 20 years went to Bloomsburg State College. The paper may initially open up a door here or there but everything else is on the individual, not the name of the institution on a piece of paper.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 16, 2011, 09:58:54 PM
JM - and others

Your comments about academic exclusivity all have merit.  In fact, you said "I love all schools that give kid's a chance without flaunting their selectivity and exclusivity".

Without naming names, there IS a lot to be said about academic reputation and recruiting, but it still comes down to admissions and financial aid.

There are a handful of schools in the conference that simply do not have the standards of the others. On what do I base my statement?  I have personally seen dozens of young men who have been rejected at some of the schools in the conference, yet receive ACADEMIC scholarship money at others!

I would LOVE to see an IVY/Patriot model in place, where each school has to release the academic credentials (AI) to the other schools in the league.  Then we'll all see who's recruiting - and letting in - who!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 17, 2011, 07:22:56 AM
Gordon, I can't say about Del Val in particular but the MAC schools do or did recruit heavily in western NJ.  The financial aid packages offered by the MAC schools more than balances out the lower tuition of the NJAC schools in most cases that I know of.  I screwed up, I could have gone to Moravian and come out of school in less debt than I did coming out of JCSC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2011, 07:14:45 PM
When it is all said an done at D3 most of the recruiting process comes down to the successfulness of the program ( wins and losses), the coaches selling the program, and aide packages. This is evident in the Del Val turn around. The financial aid and facilities really have not changed they just simply got into a quality pipeline of Widner coaches and have been rewarded for it. Mangus and Clemens are good X & O coaches which led to wins, and great salesmen on the recruiting trail which continued to bring in better players. This changed the entire atmosphere of the program. These factors coupled with a lack of success at Lyco and Widener made Del Val the best option to for alot of players in an area that led to the dominance of these (WU &Lyco) programs for along time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 17, 2011, 08:13:07 PM
Glad to see I shook things up a bit on this, mostly silent, board.

Lycoming gives financial aid to 92% of its students - that includes football players.

Jack Frost Mountain is not far from Williamsport - so Lycoming is close to skiing too.

The 1990s, in the MAC, not the Centennial or Ivy League, belong to Lycoming football.  No one else came close, particularly in the last half of the decade.  The turn around of Delaware Valley remains one of the biggest surprises of the last thirty years in MAC football as the balance of power and center of gravity shifted from Chester - to Willamsport - to Doylestown. 

It still remains a puzzle to me how Lycoming, at the very pinnacle of the Girardi era, could lose out on recruits in the Philly and NJ area.  Lycoming has financial aid, excellent facilities, and at the time, a superb and dominant program. 

The rest of the argument, based upon return on investment, academic stability and longevity, are not usually in the minds of young men - but they do have an impact.  Anyone talked to any Upsala alumni recently?

The other point made - the Warriors have a solid team this year and appear to be building in the right direction - generated little chatter or comment.  Funny, given this is a football posting site and that is a primary observation - the rest ancillary.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 17, 2011, 08:32:38 PM
Lyco
I beg to differ with your comment about Lycos dominance in the MAC during the later part of the decade as I recall numerous trips to the playoff and MAC championships being split between both of our schools. However, it was certainly a battle that has lost a little luster in the more recent years with the rise of Del Val. It looks like both programs are having better years. If you remember a lot of Lycos players came directly from the Philly catholic league and most of the players in the area were recruited by coach Curry. With Widener getting more of the public league kids and delco players
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 17, 2011, 08:38:39 PM
To dlip, Lyco is a solid team, and has broken into his ER top ten this week over the likes of an undefeated Endicott. Lyco's D has had some excellent series this season and dlip is becoming a believer that this is a pretty darn good football team down there at Lyco! The next two out of four games will be telltale for the Warriors. Obviously to stay at this level they must defeat Stevenson and FDU, but we shall see how they do against a team dlip is really high on in Del Val and a good football team in Leb Val. For the Warriors, it is right there for the taking. Can they take it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 17, 2011, 09:07:52 PM
I think Widener, Lyco and Del Val are all very solid teams. I wouldn't be surprised to see any of them win the MAC.  I have all three on my Lambert ballot which is the Top 10 teams in the East region plus Wesley plus the Presidents Athletic Conference (so Thomas More) and Centennial (so Johns Hopkins).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 17, 2011, 09:51:07 PM
Lyco - For every Upsala situation there are how many that don't turn out that way? Is the ratio about 1:500 or 1:1000?

When was the last time I talked to an Upsala alum? Several times a day with one (an international bond trader for Goldman Sachs) and every Saturday in the stands at Del Val (a very successful self-employed man).

You get out of life that what you work hard for and put into it. Some of the biggest crooks in the world (Wall Street and D.C.) have great degrees and pedigree..........but no honesty, decency and morality.

Give me the working class kid from a blue collar family hell bent on success vs. the spoiled rich kid 99 times out of 100. I've found it much easier (and much more rewarding) to build kids up who work hard for it........than reward the spoiled kids who expect it as an entitlement.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on October 17, 2011, 10:03:49 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 17, 2011, 09:51:07 PM
Lyco - For every Upsala situation there are how many that don't turn out that way? Is the ratio about 1:500 or 1:1000?

When was the last time I talked to an Upsala alum? Several times a day with one (an international bond trader for Goldman Sachs) and every Saturday in the stands at Del Val (a very successful self-employed man).

You get out of life that what you work hard for and put into it. Some of the biggest crooks in the world (Wall Street and D.C.) have great degrees and pedigree..........but no honesty, decency and morality.

QuoteGive me the working class kid from a blue collar family hell bent on success vs. the spoiled rich kid 99 times out of 100. I've found it much easier (and much more rewarding) to build kids up who work hard for it........than reward the spoiled kids who expect it as an entitlement.

Don't you love the entitled youth of America. ::) God forbid they work hard. +K
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2011, 06:37:55 AM
Rams - Thank you very much. This middle aged man is heading out the door to have a productive and profitable day.............hopefully profitable enough to continue to share it with others.

If you've been fortunate enough while on this Earth, share it with others :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 21, 2011, 01:52:17 AM
Lyco80,

Considering your team just laid an old-fashioned whoopin' on my team last weekend, you get the upper hand to start this conversation ;) But let me lend a few nuggets to your candy basket on this one...

I have always admired your school pride in the years that I have been reading and posting here. If I am not mistaken, you are/were a member of the board of trustees at Lyco...I can't get to that level quite yet, but I do return to the Wilkes campus in a variety of guest speaking and mentoring roles, and I am taking steps to explore involvement with the alumni board. So the feeling of blue & gold pride is mutual between us, even if for different institutions.

But when it comes to how Lyco can lose out in recruiting...well..there are some other great schools out there, you know :o

I think every D3 program has a certain makeup of students in terms of geography, academic major, etc.. Sometimes this changes based on a new head coach bringing in recruiting ties, the addition of a new academic course offering, etc.. At Wilkes we had lots of engineering majors, and many of those guys were from the eastern PA/ northern NJ region. Since they wanted to stick around a reasonable drive from home and play D3 football, that had them looking at Wilkes and TCNJ, Johns Hopkins, and one or two others. I know every school has specific majors and programs like that, and you can trace a pattern in recruiting that way for many players.

When it comes to majors that are offered at most D3 schools- education, business, criminal justice, and the like- I think you can get programs like Delaware Valley (and Lebanon Valley to an extent) that have become bigger players in the D3 recruiting wars with a combination of improved facilities and , more importantly, on-field results. Once a team starts winning, the success can keep rolling if the recruiting effort is there. You take a program that puts together a winning record for a few years, and the program starts looking attractive to recruits for a variety of reasons. Some may not have looked at the school if they wanted a winning program, but now they take a second look. Some may like the coaching staff, others may follow high school buddies already in the program....each recruit has his own unique pipeline to D3 U. But it all starts with winning, and with results comes the potential to recruit for more success.

I have all the respect in the world for Lycoming as a university, for Coach G and the history of the football program, and the many great Lyco people I met during four great years of working with two different sports program for the Colonels. I have no doubt that the Warriors will be a factor in the MAC for a very long time, but this is a competitive league, and there are lots of good football programs for recruits to pick from. I know that we would both like to see every player in our own shades of blue and gold...your alma mater will get some, mine will get others, and the rest of the MAC will get their fair share. It's just the way the system works.  :)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2011, 11:07:25 AM
G-Man - Some very interesting buzz is flying under the radar in the Doylestown area. Del Val just received a very highly publicized $30 million gift by a local family and the word is that a future gift/gifts will be topping that amount by quite a bit under the condition that X% goes towards the planning and construction of a comprehensive athletic complex. Word has it that the types of facilities under consideration include Muhlenberg, Albright and Lycoming. My guess is that the name Michener has something to do with the largess. 

Additionally, more majors might include nursing (growing regional Doylestown Hospital is right up the road) and engineering.......to go along with their newer majors in education and criminal justice and their long standing ag, science (pre-med and pre-vet) and business majors.

University status is just a couple of years away and the school has a ton of land to develop in the future......without taking away from the ag programs (we all have to eat don't we:) Could prove very interesting for those kids who want to escape the city, but stay a short train ride (the campus has it's own Septa station) away from the bright lights.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 22, 2011, 11:27:41 PM
Interesting. I hadn't heard about about the fund raising for a new athletics complex. I'd really like to see that happen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 23, 2011, 09:17:14 AM
as long as they keep the size of the home stands, great place to watch the game and listen to gordon broadcast it.  the visitor side does need some work.  the soccer adn field hockey fields look pretty nice to me, but if they upgrade to turf than they will make great practice areas.

gordon, looks like the widener game could be for the title and aq bid if del val gets by lyco.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 23, 2011, 10:03:06 AM
Wesleydad - You're correct, the visitors side is quite the mess but even in nice complexes like Muhlenberg, FDU (at least the field is nice) and Wilkes, the vistors side is lacking as well. Albright did a nice job on the visitors side.

Word is that the track will be state of the art and the "complex" will be in the scoreboard side of the stadium with some type of turf practice field behind the complex. A little more money (what else:) is the only thing holding this up for now and the construction timeline would be pretty aggressive with some alums in the industry involved.

Could help a solid program get that much better along with university status and the addition of more popular programs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 23, 2011, 11:49:17 AM
i like muhlenbergs complex, but the visitor side is woefully lacking.  i went to kean this year and they have top notch facilities.  anytime you add good facilities it helps with recruiting.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 23, 2011, 08:17:40 PM
The family and I took a road trip up to Owings Mills Saturday to watch Lycoming spoil a very festive Stevenson homecoming - they have great facilities, fireworks, smoke, dance team, marching band, synthetic field, great stands but a nascent football program.  The score was 48-0 entering the fourth quarter and Coach Clark sent in the remainder of the team - including the Lyco dog - just kidding about that one.  The end result was 48-14.  But you read it here first, Stevenson may end up being a force to be reckoned with sometime in the not-too-distant future as they have a buzz about them that is mesmerizing and could result in some recruiting successes.

As for some other matters, some previous posts alluded to class status regarding enrollment in college and success afterwards.  Let me see if I can help clear some of those misguided assumptions from the table.  Lycoming is a solid school comprised of mostly middle-class students.  As for me, dad was in sales; mom taught phys. ed. part time at a Roman Catholic parochial school - hardly silver spoon stuff.  All three of us got college degrees but not without blood, sweat, and lots of bizarre part-time employment.

As for hard work - let me present my credentials:  since 1986 I have been proudly serving in the United States Navy -  this has given me a wee bit of insight into hard work - and sacrifice.  When you frequently spend nearly a year away from home, either at sea, or overseas in a hostile environment living in a tent, hard work, and sacrifice take on a whole new meaning. 

It is refreshing to see the Warriors on a roll again and I cannot wait for this week's match-up in Annville and trust the Warriors will continue their winning ways.

ATB



 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 23, 2011, 08:24:04 PM
JM

Many times it is not worth the extra money to put in anything but a token set of bleachers for more than 500 fans at this level - at least in this conference. Most teams do not travel well (with fans) regularly.

It's also unfair to place Albright in the discussion with anyone else here regarding the facility. Albright didn't do a good job, per say - the city of Reading did. They forked out approximately $3 million for the field... I'm sure Muhlenberg, FDU, and Wilkes would love that kind of help :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 23, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
Lyco - Thank you for your service and that service was never questioned whatsoever. Others serve in different ways through volunteerism, sharing good fortune and taking in foster children. It's not quite as dangerous but it still serves the greater good.

None of the assumptions were misguided in any way, shape or form. It's just your interpretation and you're entitled to it. You kind of started this a bunch of posts ago when you stated something along the lines of not quite understanding why any parent would send their son to any school other than Lycoming. While not "silver spoon", it did sound a bit over the top. Lycoming is an excellent school.......as are hundreds of schools across this country. As your (along with my) humble upbringing can attest to, you get out of life that what you put into it. The name on the piece of paper might open up a door from the jump, but it does very little once you enter the fray. As stated before, I've come across incredibly successful, giving people from schools such as Bloomsburg State, Upsala, Del Val and West Chester. These people beat many Ivy League grads in the game of life and have kicked back and are spending their time (and resources) giving back in their late 40's and early 50's.

Lyco......it's all good. Again, thanks for your service. It is sincerely appreciated.

JMC
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 23, 2011, 10:36:05 PM
Wesley Dad:

Thanks for the kind words. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Del Val, Widener or Lyco won the conference. Del Val's final two games are really tough.  The Aggies have to play against the best defense in the conference (other than maybe their own) on the road and then try to slow down Widener who scores points by the truckload.

Should be fun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2011, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: bill on October 23, 2011, 08:24:04 PM
JM

Many times it is not worth the extra money to put in anything but a token set of bleachers for more than 500 fans at this level - at least in this conference. Most teams do not travel well (with fans) regularly.

It's also unfair to place Albright in the discussion with anyone else here regarding the facility. Albright didn't do a good job, per say - the city of Reading did. They forked out approximately $3 million for the field... I'm sure Muhlenberg, FDU, and Wilkes would love that kind of help :)

Albright had a ton of visitors seating before the stadium refurb, however.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 24, 2011, 12:07:11 AM
Pat

Absolutely! If you remember it was old stadium predating WWII, I believe...

However, it wasn't Albright's stadium before the refurb either!  Albright was allowed to use the field after the high schools - they always came first.
Albright has a great setup - no doubt - but it still isn't theirs....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 24, 2011, 06:23:09 AM
I remember the old stadium - it was a scene out of "Knute Rockne - All American" and any minute you could almost expect to see George Gipp come around the corner - played by Ronald Reagan in the movie.  It was a real throw-back, totally old school.  Have not been to an Albright game since 2005 so I guess it is time to check out what is new.  Still - the older I get, the more I prefer older things - guess that is just the way stuff rolls.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 24, 2011, 07:34:29 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on October 24, 2011, 06:23:09 AM
I remember the old stadium - it was a scene out of "Knute Rockne - All American" and any minute you could almost expect to see George Gipp come around the corner - played by Ronald Reagan in the movie.  It was a real throw-back, totally old school.  Have not been to an Albright game since 2005 so I guess it is time to check out what is new.  Still - the older I get, the more I prefer older things - guess that is just the way stuff rolls.

ATB

Amen to that Chaplain Squid.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 24, 2011, 08:30:09 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2011, 11:07:25 AM
G-Man - Some very interesting buzz is flying under the radar in the Doylestown area. Del Val just received a very highly publicized $30 million gift by a local family and the word is that a future gift/gifts will be topping that amount by quite a bit under the condition that X% goes towards the planning and construction of a comprehensive athletic complex. Word has it that the types of facilities under consideration include Muhlenberg, Albright and Lycoming. My guess is that the name Michener has something to do with the largess. 

Additionally, more majors might include nursing (growing regional Doylestown Hospital is right up the road) and engineering.......to go along with their newer majors in education and criminal justice and their long standing ag, science (pre-med and pre-vet) and business majors.

University status is just a couple of years away and the school has a ton of land to develop in the future......without taking away from the ag programs (we all have to eat don't we:) Could prove very interesting for those kids who want to escape the city, but stay a short train ride (the campus has it's own Septa station) away from the bright lights.

pbr will swing in from left field here...yes Michener grew up in Dtown and graduated high school w/ pbr's grandfather. But would be very surprised if the Michener estate/endowment money would be going to the school. The beautiful museum in Doylestown named after him as well as other art's programs would most likely be the beneficiary of the endowment including Swarthmore college. There are however several successful older dvc alumni who might be making the school a large contribution at some point. Yes the school could really use a top notch athletic complex. Been of pbr's  wish list project for the school for years now. They are one of the larger acreage campuses in the state. A number of long range plans are being looked at currently for future land use at the school. There are a lot of exciting ideas/plans being tossed around so the future is indeed bright at the school. Now back to price/yield calc's... big/busy week coming up for eco numbers 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
PBR - I was an undergrad at Swarthmore and have kind of "adopted" Del Val given that I live in Doylestown. I've also been involved in some official and unofficial conversations about fundraising in general.......and a top notch athletic complex specifically. The school will be adding more popular majors, is probably two years away from University status and some (a small "some") of the Michener largesse is rumored (from Swarthmore sources) to be heading to a school in Doylestown.......and I'm not thinking C.B. West:)

A chunk of the money is there already......it's the political tightrope Dr. Brosnan must walk given the needs supporting the application for University status. I've seen architectural rederings of a few options (dating back to the tail end of the G.A. Mangus era) and they are all gorgeous. You're also correct about the acreage on the campus. The school turned down numerous significant offers over the years from developers and could have printed money but the long range plan always won out and now the leaders at the school have the experience, contacts and momentum. Stay tuned as some interesting information may come out right around the holiday season.

One last thing I'm hearing.........there is an offer on the table once University status is a done deal which would make the Glassboro St-to-Rowan name change look rather small. I guessed Michener, Silverman and Perdue (interesting huh?:) but apparently it's a bigger name.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 24, 2011, 09:26:18 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
PBR - I was an undergrad at Swarthmore and have kind of "adopted" Del Val given that I live in Doylestown. I've also been involved in some official and unofficial conversations about fundraising in general.......and a top notch athletic complex specifically. The school will be adding more popular majors, is probably two years away from University status and some (a small "some") of the Michener largesse is rumored (from Swarthmore sources) to be heading to a school in Doylestown.......and I'm not thinking C.B. West:)

A chunk of the money is there already......it's the political tightrope Dr. Brosnan must walk given the needs supporting the application for University status. I've seen architectural rederings of a few options (dating back to the tail end of the G.A. Mangus era) and they are all gorgeous. You're also correct about the acreage on the campus. The school turned down numerous significant offers over the years from developers and could have printed money but the long range plan always won out and now the leaders at the school have the experience, contacts and momentum. Stay tuned as some interesting information may come out right around the holiday season.

One last thing I'm hearing.........there is an offer on the table once University status is a done deal which would make the Glassboro St-to-Rowan name change look rather small. I guessed Michener, Silverman and Perdue (interesting huh?:) but apparently it's a bigger name.
Exactly...it's an pretty exciting time for the school right now. There are a number of very successful alumni who are looking to contribute large amounts of money at some point to the school. Some of the names you have listed could be potential donors as well as other I really don't want to put names out in public yet. The future is indeed very bright. We have some good leaders now at the school and pbr is very glad they never sold off the chunks of land for the quick $$$. A new state of the art athletic complex is long overdue. Including refurbing of the football stadium. Mainly the visitors stands and restrooms/locker rooms. BTW since PBR came out of hibernation , nice to see DVC hired a rock solid choice to head their storied wrestling program. Thanks Coach Cantrell for your service to our country and welcome as the new DVC head coach of wrestling team. http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2011/10/10/WRES_11cantrell.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 25, 2011, 10:52:21 AM
We need no further proof to the genius of the Delaware Valley College administrators over the years than the fact that they resisted the offers of developers, even during those very lean years suffered by many colleges and universities.  I, for one, COULD NOT be HAPPIER that they had the foresight to do this!!! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: albrightsid on October 25, 2011, 08:07:30 PM
Some facts about Albright's Shirk Stadium:

- Originally dedicated in 1925, Albright College had full ownership of the complex since 1929 when Albright merged with Schuylkill College.
- Over the years several high schools including Governor Mifflin and Reading High would use the field for games, and would pay a rental fee.
- In 2005, a major renovation of the facility was conducted- a $6.5 million project that including a $2 million donation from Reading (the rest came from Albright). Both institutions felt a partnership was the best option, allowing the Reading football team and all of Albright's field sports to enjoy a higher-quality facility without the costs associated with building two separate stadiums.
- Of course Reading H.S. now uses the facility for all home football games and no longer pays any fee after their contribution to the project, but Albright has still retained control of the property and all other scheduling decisions.

- Jimmy McCumber, Albright Sports Information Director
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 26, 2011, 01:46:46 PM
Thanks for the update. 

I got most of my facts about the stadium from Reading newspapers like this:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=20000526&id=i_ohAAAAIBAJ&sjid=X6MFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1181,5639505

It's amazing what a private/public partnership can accomplish....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 28, 2011, 08:54:27 AM
FYI....Weather is going to be a HUGE factor for games in the mid atlantic and northeast. Many areas in PA are going to get substantial snowfall saturday afternoon into sunday. Some rain to snow for other areas. Especially for any saturday night games. Penn State's game is going to be crazy w/ the amount of snow. See if any upsets occur in the d3 level...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 28, 2011, 03:32:44 PM
How about some possible upsets, PBR?  ;)  Just read Ryan Tipp's prediction for a "surprisingly close" game - Albright/Widener.   Wouldn't that be great!  Since DVC has their bye this week, i think i'll listen to the call of the Lebanon Valley/Lycoming game.  Both could be very interesting.  Anyone else have any thoughts?  Weather is always a factor for both teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 29, 2011, 09:51:25 AM
Kate - It's a winter wonderland here in beautiful Doylestown Borough. I can't see for the life of me either Lycoming or Widener blowing their respective games today given what is at stake. The weather will be a factor.........but for all teams involved. Albright and Leb Val are playing for pride.

The Penn State game should be a blast for the players, fans and those of us in the warmth of our homes.

Have a great weekend and let's hope some of the seriously injured Aggies somehow magically come back for the end of season run. I honestly don't see them winning either of their remaining games if not. It's a long way off but next year's offense has 10 of 11 starters back and a few transfers may be coming to Del Val in the January semester and would be HUGE additions (2 to the offense......and 2 to the defense). No names for public consumption as I have to see if they're actually enrolled come January (no names at that point either as it would never stick on this board anyway).

Have a great weekend :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 29, 2011, 10:15:32 AM
Same here in Easton, jm!  I didn't realize that the Aggies had injured players, although at this point in the season, every team probably has the same problem.  Exciting news on the horizon for Del Val as a whole both academically and with the athletic programs.  We'll all just have to stay tuned.  We're just really looking forward to the start of basketball season (the women) on Nov. 15.  To all our MAC posters out there, please stay safe & warm this weekend!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 29, 2011, 10:35:55 AM
Just went into Leb Val's website and their game with Lyco is postponed until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 29, 2011, 11:06:17 AM
PLEASE SCRATCH previous post - it's the Leb Val soccer game postponed - NOT the FOOTBALL game - so sorry
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 29, 2011, 11:16:02 AM
Kate - I'd be stunned if any of the MAC games were delayed until tomorrow. The road teams made the appropriate plans given the advance notice of the weather. None of the road trips are horrific distances and the busses have plenty of time to put the chains on for the respective trips home.

Playing in the snow is less difficult (and dangerous) than playing on an icy surface.......which could happen given the temps overnight and through tomorrow morning.

Soccer, yes.........football, no way :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 29, 2011, 08:55:15 PM
Posting tonight because tomorrow will be a MAJOR clean-up day here in Easton, but Lebanon Valley lost by a mere three points, 10/7, today to Lycoming.  Albright apparently had no luck with Widener - i've already forgotten the final score.  They didn't put up much of a fight, or is Widener that incredibly good?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ZeroMischief on October 30, 2011, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 29, 2011, 09:51:25 AM
It's a long way off but next year's offense has 10 of 11 starters back and a few transfers may be coming to Del Val in the January semester and would be HUGE additions (2 to the offense......and 2 to the defense). No names for public consumption as I have to see if they're actually enrolled come January (no names at that point either as it would never stick on this board anyway).

Hopefully the 2 potential offensive transfers are not O linemen.  My kid's got enough competition for playing time so as it is.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 30, 2011, 11:49:38 AM
Zero - No worry for you on that end..........but they will both be HUGE difference makers should it all pan out:)

Any word on the injured OL from last week?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ZeroMischief on November 02, 2011, 05:01:36 PM
Both Jason West and John Lavelle returned to practice this week.  Looking good for Saturday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2011, 10:35:10 PM
I'm amazed at the Lavelle news in particular. His ankle looked like a beach ball. Del Val has a remarkable training group including the docs at Doylestown Hospital. Lavelle is an animal.......a typical tough, hard nosed Northeast Philly kid. If he plays anywhere near 100%, that makes a huge difference. In my opinion he is an All-American candidate if not for this year, absolutely in 2012.

Lycoming and Widener will both be HUGE challenges for the Aggies. A very storied long time head coach from the Doylestown area has done some extensive scouting of Widener. I hope that the Aggies coaches take what he has seen to heart.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 02, 2011, 11:06:17 PM
That is good news for Del Val, especially against a really good Lycoming defense.  A young offense on the road playing a desperate and talented defense? Doesn't get much harder than that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ZeroMischief on November 03, 2011, 10:31:12 AM
Yeah, these last two games are no gimme by any stretch.  Good week to be a Widener fan.  Just sit back, relax, and watch the melee unfold.  Even though DVC is undefeated, Widener's in the driver's seat as far as I'm concerned.  They only have one game to worry about, and two weeks to prepare for it.  I'm sure they're thinking upset, although this year it would not be much of one.  They figured it out how to do it last year, and our Aggies were a bit older and better group.  It's going to get interesting.  Whoever represents the MAC in the NCAA playoffs will certainly deserve it, and I'm sure will make some noise.  GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 03, 2011, 02:58:07 PM
Got that right, Zero Mischief - G*O   A*G*G*I*E*S!!!!  Absolute best luck up there in Williamsport!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DelcoD3 on November 04, 2011, 01:15:38 PM
New poster here. I've been lurking all season and as a Lyco supporter I figured I'd chime in before this weekend. Think we'll have a good game in Williamsport this weekend. Del Val and Lyco seem pretty similar, each with very strong defenses. The Lyco offense seems to playing well the past month and has gotten the run game going. If they can run the ball with some success a win could be there for the taking!

As for Widener, certainly a surprise this year. Only saw them play Lyco and that game was like two different games from the first half to second. They seem to have good speed and can create the big play on offense and special teams. Certainly have an interesting 2 weeks left in the MAC. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2011, 03:23:35 PM
Welcome aboard, DelcoD3.

Always good to have new blood. There are a couple Lyco posters on here, but the Warriors could use more representation.  These boards are always more fun when there's a variety of posters.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 04, 2011, 07:02:46 PM
Gordon - Are you aware of any live video feed for the Del Val - Lycoming game?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2011, 08:45:05 PM
Not that I'm aware of. Lycoming doesn't have video to my knowledge.  But, since you mentioned it...

Delaware Valley
vs.
Lycoming

If you can't watch the game, you can listen to the broadcast here (http://athletics.delval.edu/sports/2008/9/5/FB_09football%20broadcast.aspx?id=41) starting at 12:40 pm.  Think of it as video without pictures. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DanPadavona on November 04, 2011, 09:41:01 PM
That's a great game to call, Gordon. Should be the top game in Eastern Region this week. I've got Del Valley #1 in my ER rankings on my blog, and Lycoming at #8. BTW I've got Widener at #3. They impress the heck out of me. If both teams win tomorrow, DV vs Widener will be off the charts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2011, 12:42:56 AM
Indeed.  Gotta get there first, though.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 05, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
Double dang, can't get Gordon's call of the game on our computer - will have to watch live stats.  Gordon has us so spoiled with those Aggie home games.  It's 46 degrees in Williamsport.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 05, 2011, 03:52:06 PM
whew, Del Val won it with 13 seconds left, 28/21.   CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!  We really missed Gordon's call of that game!  Aggies - WOW!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 05, 2011, 03:53:21 PM
Nice work Aggies!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2011, 04:09:54 PM
An absolutely spectacular finish to the Del Val - Lycoming game. After Lycoming scored a touchdown with a little more than 1:00 left in the 4th quarter to tie the game at 21 - 21, Del Val got the ball back with just 0:58 and marched 54 yards in just 0:45 (against that defense on the road) to take a 28 - 21 lead with 0:13 left on the clock. On the ensuing kickoff, Lycoming had multiple laterals and got down to the Del Val 6 yard line before fumbling.........WHAT A FINISH!!!!

On the final drive, freshman QB Aaron Wilmer completed a 15 yard pass on third and ten, followed that up with a 15 yard pass on first and ten and capped the drive off with an 8 yard run for a touchdown.

Two big differences between the teams in my opinion..........Del Val put up 380 yards of offense against a very good defense on the road (didn't see that coming) while Lycoming had 280 yards of offense.

Del Val freshman QB Aaron Wilmer was 17 - 34 for 263 yards and 2 passing TD's and 1 rushing TD. Klinger was 15 - 28 for just 123 yards and 2 TD's.

The other difference was on the defensive side. Both defenses were solid against the run.......3.3 and 3.7 yards per carry, but the Aggies defense had 5 sacks and several hurries while Lycoming had just 1 sack.

Lycoming has a very good team and is very tough at home. My biggest surprise is that the young Aggies offense, who will be returning everybody of consequence in 2012, scored 28 points and drove down the field in 45 seconds to score a touchdown.

Hats off to both teams........great game. Congrats to the Aggies.......enjoy the ride home, have a great night and let's get ready for Widener. This will be the MAC game of the year.......if not past several years.

I'm proud of you for a great victory!! Shout out to Kate, ZeroMischief and dc21 (better see you next week!!).

Have a great night........the steak will taste that much better at The Freight House in Doylestown tonight!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2011, 04:11:04 PM
I didn't mean to leave you out maAggie :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2011, 04:16:39 PM
Gordon - What happened to the audio feed today. It was in and out........but mostly out  :'(

Great game for the Aggies........and awesome performance throughout and at the end by the young offense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2011, 04:19:36 PM
I was on a really, really bad phone line. I kept getting knocked off and logging back on, but every time I had to reset a bunch of stuff.

I think I was on for most of the second half, but it was very tough.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2011, 04:22:03 PM
Gordon - You, me, Matt Levy will understand this.........we need to have a Del Val - Desales atmosphere next Saturday in Doylestown :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DanPadavona on November 05, 2011, 05:14:22 PM
Huge win for DV and all of Eastern Region imo. Talk about a gutty drive to win it with only 58 seconds to play. I really don't like short kickoffs. I understand not wanting to give up the big play. But you can't hand your opponent the football at their 46-yard line when all they need is a field goal to win it.

Widener might be the hottest offense in all of ER right now. Next Saturday's showdown is going to be spectacular. I wouldn't pick against DV at this point though. DV and Salisbury would make fine #1 and #2 seeds in the East.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 05, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
Great post JMcuz...I think that last drive epitomizes what this team is all about. They just don't quit and they find a way. Winning is certainly something they've become accustomed to doing, and they just don't panic. They have historically always been able to bottle-up even the hottest of offenses, and I, for one, hope they continue that trend next week vs Widener. Hopefully, last year's loss is still stuck in their craw and they avenge that in a big way! Hopefully, the Aggies followers will fill the home stands to capacity and bring it loud + proud all day!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2011, 09:49:28 PM
Big ups to a couple Del Val players who quietly had big games. Sophomore Chris Vega, who started in place of injured CB Troy Green, had two interceptions and the fumble recovery to seal the victory. He's picked a good time to emerge with Widener's assault up next. Hopefully Troy is healthy for Saturday.

Freshman Matt Long did a very nice job at center today. Jason West couldn't play because of injury and Long did his older brother, the former All-American, proud. Actually the whole offensive line was great, holding the Warriors to one sack and giving Wilmer good time and space all day.  And kudos to John Lavelle for playing well through pain.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 05, 2011, 10:37:01 PM
If you missed the end of the Del Val-Lycoming game -- which you probably did because of technical difficulties -- here's my call of the final minute (http://athletics.delval.edu/custompages/PODCASTS/Lycoming%20Final%20Minute.mp3).

Thanks to Matt Levy, Sports Information Director extraordinaire, for posting this.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 06, 2011, 08:15:02 AM
Gordon,

Did not see the game, had an impossible time following it on either your feed or the one from Williamsport.  Did hear the last minute posted above - thanks for that.

In your opinion, was the screen pass that was deflected and almost intercepted in the last minute a possible pick-six?  What Lycoming player was unable to come up with the catch?

Also - I could swear I almost heard the call "the band is on the field, the band is on the field" in the background as Lycoming tried to pull off the same play that doomed Stanford's John Elway in the Big Game.

Hats off the Wilmer - one cool customer indeed.

Lycoming returns most of its key players next year so perhaps the Warriors will have a happier outcome in Doylestown next season.

Doubt D-3 takes DVC, Widener, and Lycoming - pity given how close the game truly was and how evenly matched the three teams are and there are possibly some 6-4 teams with automatic bids who are not as competitive.

Good year for the Warriors - third in the MAC is not a given or easy any year.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 06, 2011, 12:30:13 PM
Lyco80:

The near interception on the screen pass was unlikely to be returned for a touchdown. The pass was tipped at the line, and because there were so many guys around, a few Lyco defenders dove at it. Even if they caught it, they would've been down on contact.

And I agree with you. Not much separates Del Val, Lyco and Widener.  They are all very good teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ZeroMischief on November 06, 2011, 03:45:07 PM
All I can say is wow, what a game.  I feel privileged to have been there to see it.  First off, congrats to Lycoming.  They have a great team in Williamsport.  But...way to go Aggies!  4 peat, baby!

Even though the score was 14-7, it did feel like DVC had the momentum and were outplaying the Warriors.  You were just waiting for the Aggies to start opening up the margin, but after coming away with no points after starting in Lyco territory multiple times (props to the Lyco D), it did not happen.  There was a key play late in the 3rd quarter that really turned this game into a slugfest.  On 3rd and 5, with the ball down around the Lyco 30, there was a horribly missed defensive pass interference call.  The Lyco corner mugged Isaiah Hall the whole way down the sideline, but it was not called.  It would have given the Aggies a first down in the vicinity of the 15 yard line, and would have likely lead to points in some fashion, and given DVC their first 2 score lead of the game.  Instead, the Aggies failed on fourth down, and the Warriors instantly had life, and it was on.  Nevertheless, the Aggies persevered, and brought us a fourth straight MAC title!

Can't wait for this Saturday.  I don't think the committee would keep Del Val out of the playoffs if they lost to Widener, but I really don't want to risk it.  Plus, it would be nice to see the Aggies as the #1 seed in the East, as well as Mount Union kept in their own damn region for a change.

GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 06, 2011, 06:27:08 PM
So Mount stays in the North.  That means UWW in the West.  MHB in the South.

Sooooo......Del Val should be the #1 seed before St. Thomas and/or Linfield?

Realistically, that just doesn't make sense on any level.  The committee has shown over the last few years they care less and less about geography, unless it's about travel. 

I would guess it will be what others have expounded upon on other threads. 


UMU
Del Val
Salisbury

I guess next week will get this sorted.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on November 06, 2011, 07:13:15 PM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on November 06, 2011, 06:27:08 PM
So Mount stays in the North.  That means UWW in the West.  MHB in the South.

Sooooo......Del Val should be the #1 seed before St. Thomas and/or Linfield?

Realistically, that just doesn't make sense on any level.  The committee has shown over the last few years they care less and less about geography, unless it's about travel. 

I would guess it will be what others have expounded upon on other threads. 


UMU
Del Val
Salisbury

I guess next week will get this sorted.

I agree, but you forgot to include Montclair as #4. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DelcoD3 on November 06, 2011, 09:15:03 PM
First, congrats to DelVal for their win. Wilmer and the O-line played a heck of a game.

Mischief - tough to say the game turned on a non-call by the ref. There are always going to be calls that both teams dispute. The Lyco D played a great second half and really kept them in it. They just couldn't make the big play on that last drive.

Lyco 80 - I believe the dropped interception was by Tyler Floyd, who started the year as a RB for the Warriors and moved to DB at some point during the season. The kickoff after Lyco scored to tie wasn't supposed to be a squib, the kicker just didn't hit it good. Give the up man from DelVal credit for being alert and making the catch to get the good field position. For the Lyco offense, not being able to run the ball hurt. But using Atkinson at QB in the Wildcat/option really gave them a spark. Tough way to lose but still a nice year overall.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DanPadavona on November 07, 2011, 01:27:31 PM
I just released an article on the innovative techniques used by Widener to attract talent to its program. http://d3east-football.blogspot.com/2011/11/widener-rising.html (http://d3east-football.blogspot.com/2011/11/widener-rising.html)

I would be most interested in your thoughts, and who you think is the odds-on favorite to be the first East Region team to challenge for a national championship since 1999.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 07, 2011, 01:51:12 PM
Hello Dan, Just watched the widener video, and was hoping that the Del Val coach was looking at it as well.   Yes, it's "slick" & "trendy", but i just hope that DVC  can be the emerging powerhouse of the east - who knows.  We can be fortunate (i guess) that the level of competition in the MAC pretty much overall is what it is.  Whoever comes out on top will have most certainly earned it.  That said GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DanPadavona on November 07, 2011, 03:36:44 PM
Wish I could be there to watch Widener-Del Vally on Saturday Kate. That should be an incredible show. But I will enjoy myself with my Cortaca Jug tickets.   8-)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 08, 2011, 10:12:44 AM
gordon, interested to get opinion on the del val - widener game.  i had a tough choice this weekend, your game, wesley - huntingdon, and montclaire - kean.  call me crazy but i will be making the longest trip to see the montclaire game.  main reason is that i have never been to montclaire.  too bad one of the other games is not a night game, could have pulled off a double header.  how is the health of the del val d?  they will need to be on top of their game for widener.  how have the young players progressed since the leb val game?  widener must have shown great improvement since the beginning of the year, i did not hear much good from the scrimmage against wesley.  you had a good one last week and looks like you will have a good one this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 08, 2011, 10:21:49 AM
Wesleydad

Please don't take this post as an attack - it's not. I just want to point out that you consistently reference Montclair State as "montclaire", and it's been driving me nuts!  (It must be the teacher in me :) )  I've been grading papers all night....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 08, 2011, 10:45:18 AM
sorry bill, some reason thought there was an e on the end.  no problem, not my first mis-spelled name.  likely not my last.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 08, 2011, 01:02:13 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 08, 2011, 10:45:18 AM
sorry bill, some reason thought there was an e on the end.  no problem, not my first mis-spelled name.  likely not my last.

It is not Montclair it is Eclair.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 08, 2011, 05:42:26 PM
On an unrelated to D-3 football note:

We stand on the verge of yet another observance of the United States Marine Corps' birthday and Veteran's Day sandwiched nicely together to make a long weekend for all Devil Dogs except those forward - where most would prefer to be.

The next time you feel like complaining about our politicians, go to church, or not, move about freely without being asked for a passport when you cross the Delaware River to enter NJ, or any other myriad of activities we mostly take for granted as free-born Americans.  Remember the wolf is always at the door - but it is brave young men and women who don the cloth of our Nation who keep that wolf mostly at bay - always at the point of their sweat and convenience; sometimes at the cost of either limb or life.

We who serve do not want parades - just your respect and an occasional thank you and prayer for us and our families.

We are privileged to represent You - 300 million Americans - and willingly shoulder this burden.

To Marines everywhere - Happy Birthday!

To all Veterans - thanks for your sacrifice and service wherever and whenever rendered.

God Bless America!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DanPadavona on November 08, 2011, 07:37:47 PM
+K Mr Lyco. Well put.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 09, 2011, 10:21:03 AM
Just read on Matt Levy's weekly blog for DVC sports that Widener was bringing up "bus loads" of people for the Aggie/Pride game on Saturday!  Good for them - Widener is a big school, and they have the where with all to do this.  It's exciting!  This Aggie fan just hopes that all Del Val supporters come out big time on Sat. and root for our home team!  Obviously, it's a huge game, not just for the MAC out-in-out Championship, but for the revenge of last season's very close loss to the Pride.  GO DEL VAL!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 09, 2011, 04:25:03 PM
Don't usually agree with Elizabeth on the View, but this am she was saying in regard to the Joe PA/Penn state story, that football is a "business".  Well yes, D1 football is obviously a business.  This whole nightmare makes me glad that we follow a d3 school, and d3 as a whole.  May it always be for the sheer joy of the playing the game and for the glory of the school.  I have a feeling that Joe Pa was told years ago to "be quiet", and that sentiment was perpetuated to maintain the "business" of D1 football at our No. 1 state school.  Just my opinion - no matter what actually happened in the cover up, it's very sad
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 10, 2011, 09:49:14 AM
Celebrate D3 - GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 11, 2011, 07:21:27 PM
KS,

Thanks for serving - from one squid to another! 

And thanks to all Veteran's.  We live in Arlington, VA and I often stop in at the cemetery to remind myself of the precious cost of freedom and the countless thousands willing to lay down their lives to protect men and women they never met because they value principles above convenience and self.

Non sidi, sed patria - "Not for self, but for country"  as seen above an archway at the United States Naval Academy.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 11, 2011, 10:50:26 PM
lyco80. thanks for your service.  having a son in the 101 airborne i truly appreciate all that any who have served have done.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on November 12, 2011, 03:11:52 PM
Game between Delware Valley and Widener shaping up to be a classic.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 12, 2011, 04:09:37 PM
Del Val wins, 56/28!!!  Congratulations Aggies  :)!!!!!   Hope you get a great draw in the NCAA play-offs!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on November 12, 2011, 04:14:38 PM
Wow...56-28. That 4th and 2 Widener failed to convert at the end of the third quarter change the whole momentum of the game. Also, I am very impressed with Delaware Valley quarterback, he has grown throughout the season. Congrats to both teams on a good season. As Kate stated above, I hope Delaware Valley gets a good draw in the bracket.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 12, 2011, 04:42:59 PM
So excited here before dinner, but where's Matt Levy?  I don't believe i heard Gordon reference him this afternoon!  What an incredibly convincing win against a VERY good Widener squad!  Congrats to all - Team & Coaches!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DanPadavona on November 12, 2011, 05:23:11 PM
Aggies-Pride Game Wrap-up:

http://d3east-football.blogspot.com/2011/11/delaware-valley-rips-widener-56-28.html (http://d3east-football.blogspot.com/2011/11/delaware-valley-rips-widener-56-28.html)

Clearly the most impressive performance of the weekend, and one of the most impressive showings by an East team all season. 580 yards of offense against Widener - amazing. This should get DV the #1 seed in the Eastern bracket.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 12, 2011, 05:56:42 PM
Congrats DelVal for an impressive win vs. Widener, and also on an undefeated regular season! It's been an amazing season for any team, let alone one with all the youth the Aggies suited up this season! Hopefully, the brackets will be kind to the Aggies this time around, and DelVal will continue to break records throughout the playoffs.

Always beyond fabulous to beat the Pioneers, er Pride, but to completely whoop-ass on 'em is all the more enjoyable!

Congratulations to Clem and the rest of the coaching staff on an awesome regular season run!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 12, 2011, 07:17:05 PM
congrats to del val for winning the mac.  outside shot at the 1 in the east, likely the 2 with a potential tough 2nd round game against kean or salisbury.  not sure how the brackets will break out, but the first round shouldn't be that tough.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2011, 08:13:29 PM
WOW!!!!! DVC put up 42 unanswered points against Widener and shut them out in the second half. QB Aaron Wilmer is a beast, playing on a high ankle sprain and is only a freshman. Sophomore Lewis Vincent could break all kinds of school receiving records.

As shocked as I was about the final score, I'm equally stunned at the ase at which DVC moved the ball up and down the field. If not for some kneeldown's in the last two mintues, DVC was looking at close to 600 yards of offense. Widener has a very nice team and is quite young as well, but when you take away the punt return touchdown and the short touchdown due to DVC botching a kickoff return.........they only put up 14 points. I guess I was expecting a lot more offense given their numbers this year.

On a positive note, unlike many of the past DVC - Widener games, this game was played with good sportsmanship (outside of Widener's #20 and #7 chirping at the DVC bench before the game and when they went up 28 - 14........karma???) and very clean play. Hats off to both teams.

I'm not a big believer in the playoffs. To me it is much more important to win a conference (and go undefeated while doing it) against similar schools (no 10,000 student UWW's in the MAC). Anything from this point forward is gravy. A season to remember from this group of Aggies!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 13, 2011, 07:48:12 AM
First, and foremost, congrats to DVC - winning the MAC is never easy and doing it in undefeated fashion is historically remarkable.  Best wishes in the NCAAs.

Second, it is a pity only a combined ten points separate the Warriors from a chance for an invite to the dance.  Lycoming played solid football all season and gave both Widener and DVC all they could handle.

Third, it is some consolation that the lads from Williamsport will once more be among the stingiest defenses in all of D-3, particularly against the rush.

Fourth, Lycoming returns a fairly junior squad with most of the skill players returning which should make for another interesting Fall for football in 2012.

Last, best wishes to all as we enter into a season of reflection and celebration of things more important than football like family and faith.

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dunleigh on November 13, 2011, 06:30:11 PM
DelVal is in the playoffs...I'm new to this and I understand there is also an ECAC bowl. Is that for those in the East who didn't make the playoffs? Is it a tournament style thing also, or just a one game consolation type of thing? Who is most likely to get into that? My interests are the MAC and NJAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2011, 06:33:54 PM
The bracket, for those who still haven't seen:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2011/11/bracket-released

Bowl game is what it sounds like, one game per team
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 13, 2011, 07:53:55 PM
Football is a surprising sport - Widener - after a solid season - and with the MAC championship on the line,  sprints ahead of DVC only to ultimately get blown out of the game and apparently the NCAA playoffs.

The Eagles cannot beat the Cardinals who are led by their second-string quarterback and a Defensive Coordinator they passed on for that joke of a coach they could not live without.

The Giants allow the 49'ers to dictate tempo to them and prove vulnerable only a week after handling the Patriots.

The Redskins appear they cannot score a touchdown unless it is against a pre-vent defense which really means go ahead and score cause you will run of time and we win.

The Falcons go for it on 4th down in their on half and miss in OT giving the Saints possession and a straight road to a win.

And on it goes.

As for the Eagles - my other football team - it is time for Andy Reid to go.  If the Eagles had Tom Brady instead of Do-nothing McNabb - the king of short-hop passing - they would have several rings.  Time for Jeff Lurie to lure either Cowher, Gruden, Edwards or even Dungy back to the sidelines.  All that talent and no one with their head screwed on right - pity.  And it has been 51 years since an Eagle championship football team.  They lose again when leading in the 4th quarter and all he has to offer at the post-game press conference is the same old shop-worn platitudes about making plays and working harder.  How about taking responsibility and just admitting you are over your head as an NFL coach and resigning?  All that talent over all these years and nothing but bridesmaids with NFC championship rings to show.   Uhhhhhhhhh.

Go DVC - win as many as you can - heck - win them all!

After this weekend I need some prozac and a MAC National Champion.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2011, 10:02:42 PM
Lyco80 - I couldn't agree with you more about the Eagles although Gruden is not what many think he is. Talk to those who know the man and he is about one, and only one thing.......the John Gruden "Grudog" brand. Many talk about him as a lucky coach with a "chucky scowl" and not much substance. I'll take a pass on Edwards as well. Get me a Cowher or a Dungy any day of the week.

I'm torn on the McNabb front in some respects and follow me on this one. I have an 11 year old son. He's an excellent QB and basketball player for his age.......let me dream here for a moment. He becomes an All-American High High School QB, an All-American College QB and is drafted with the #2 pick in the first round. He is the only QB of the six taken in the first round in the 2021 draft to have any type of real NFL career. He finishes college in four years with a 3.41 GPA, never as much as jaywalks let alone gets in any type of college trouble. He has a 12 year career in the NFL, leads his team to four consecutive NFL Championships (his coach only believed in having a stud receiver in one of those years) but does not win the big one. He gives millions to a few hospitals in the area and never shuns his back on his civic responsibility. He and his lovely wife give me four beautiful grandchildren.

We call this man a bum..........imagine if this bum were our child. The odds at birth of being a Donovan McNabb are many tens of millions to one. It's all about perspective as we would be proud as heck with chest swelled proudly if one of our son's accomplished what McNabb has, but since he's not our relative nor friend.....he's a bum. Something is not right here.

Thanks for the Aggies support as well. Although winning a tough, balanced MAC is the grand prize, I'm looking forward to a playoff win or two. Next year should be interesting as well as Lycoming and Widener have quite a bit of youth and Del Val returns 10 starters on offense and 3 or 4 transfers (a few names, potentially, if they enroll in January which would be VERY significant) to help the six returning starters on defense. Del Val is also going to have many recruits at the home playoff games so a two or three game run could also help big time with some nice recruits/transfers.

As always Lyco......thanks for your service.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 14, 2011, 05:36:35 AM
jmcozenlaw,

Concur with your observations about the man - but I am not making my assessments on his character but his production.  He is a terrific human being but in all those years, with all those great defenses, you would think he could have led his team to a win in the Super Bowl.

What did everyone say about John Elway, Peyton Manning, Steve Young, Jim Kelly about not winning the big one? The first three finally did it and Kelly never did - nor did Dan Marino - the one hit against his superstar career.

Four times in the NFC Championship - including the last year in the 'Vet when Brian Mitchell took the opening kick-off for a TD to put he Eagles up against the Bucs only to let it slip away because of a sub-par performance at QB.  Note - the Bucs trashed the Raiders in the Superbowl.

Donovan McNabb the man is a class act.  Donovan McNabb the QB is an under achiever.

The former would make a great neighbor, fraternity brother, or brother-in-law.  I want a QB who can deliver a ring to Philadelphia - which is the only reason you hire a person for that position - to win games and ultimately the biggest.

Appreciate your last note about the service.  I am an Iggles fan who is tired of excuses and would like to see a Superbowl win before my time on planet earth expires.

The one true consolation for me is that I am lifetime Yankees fan and they know how to win - and win in the World Series.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 14, 2011, 02:20:39 PM
Absolute best luck to our three MAC teams playing this weekend.  Del Val as they take on Norwich in Doylestown, and in the ECAC's, Lebanon Valley, playing at home, and Albright on the road!  We'll be score watching at the Aggie basketball game!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2011, 07:18:15 PM
Lyco80 - The true greatness about the NFL and it's sheer dominance in the sports panthion is the absolutely level playing field in which all teams compete financially.

I'd like to see the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies (yes, as a native Philadelphian, I stay loyal), Mets, compete with a salary cap around $120 million dollars. The Phillies would have to shave about $50 million from their payroll.......the Yankees......almost half of it. That's the beauty of the NFL.

I agree with most of your McNabb points and contend that if Owens did not get hurt by that Roy Williams horse collar, the Birds win the Superbowl that year. As far as that NFC championship game against Tampa Bay (the saddest I've ever been walking out of a stadium:(.........Blaine Bishop, Levon Kirkland and Joe Jurevisous are the names that still haunt me.

Until 2004, Andy gave McNabb the likes of Todd Stinkson, James Trash and a host of other very mediocre receivers. Marino had Duper and Clayton and couldn't get over the hump. At the end of the day, still a good (not great) career when all is said and done.

We welcomed Randall back to the Linc on Sunday.......that was the highlight of the day:)

Have a good one ATB!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on November 15, 2011, 07:26:24 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2011, 07:18:15 PM
Lyco80 - The true greatness about the NFL and it's sheer dominance in the sports panthion is the absolutely level playing field in which all teams compete financially.

I'd like to see the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies (yes, as a native Philadelphian, I stay loyal), Mets, compete with a salary cap around $120 million dollars. The Phillies would have to shave about $50 million from their payroll.......the Yankees......almost half of it. That's the beauty of the NFL.

I agree with most of your McNabb points and contend that if Owens did not get hurt by that Roy Williams horse collar, the Birds win the Superbowl that year. As far as that NFC championship game against Tampa Bay (the saddest I've ever been walking out of a stadium:(.........Blaine Bishop, Levon Kirkland and Joe Jurevisous are the names that still haunt me.

Until 2004, Andy gave McNabb the likes of Todd Stinkson, James Trash and a host of other very mediocre receivers. Marino had Duper and Clayton and couldn't get over the hump. At the end of the day, still a good (not great) career when all is said and done.

We welcomed Randall back to the Linc on Sunday.......that was the highlight of the day:)

Have a good one ATB!

The one thing I can say in defense of Dan Marino (as a lifelong dolphins fan) never winning a super bowl, and the same can be said for Dan Fouts, they didn't play defense.  Once Tony Nathan retired Marion never really had a threat out of the backfield, that is Don Shula' fault not Marino'.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: clandfan on November 15, 2011, 12:15:41 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2011, 10:02:42 PM
Lyco80 - I couldn't agree with you more about the Eagles although Gruden is not what many think he is. Talk to those who know the man and he is about one, and only one thing.......the John Gruden "Grudog" brand. Many talk about him as a lucky coach with a "chucky scowl" and not much substance. I'll take a pass on Edwards as well. Get me a Cowher or a Dungy any day of the week.

I'm torn on the McNabb front in some respects and follow me on this one. I have an 11 year old son. He's an excellent QB and basketball player for his age.......let me dream here for a moment. He becomes an All-American High High School QB, an All-American College QB and is drafted with the #2 pick in the first round. He is the only QB of the six taken in the first round in the 2021 draft to have any type of real NFL career. He finishes college in four years with a 3.41 GPA, never as much as jaywalks let alone gets in any type of college trouble. He has a 12 year career in the NFL, leads his team to four consecutive NFL Championships (his coach only believed in having a stud receiver in one of those years) but does not win the big one. He gives millions to a few hospitals in the area and never shuns his back on his civic responsibility. He and his lovely wife give me four beautiful grandchildren.

We call this man a bum..........imagine if this bum were our child. The odds at birth of being a Donovan McNabb are many tens of millions to one. It's all about perspective as we would be proud as heck with chest swelled proudly if one of our son's accomplished what McNabb has, but since he's not our relative nor friend.....he's a bum. Something is not right here.

Thanks for the Aggies support as well. Although winning a tough, balanced MAC is the grand prize, I'm looking forward to a playoff win or two. Next year should be interesting as well as Lycoming and Widener have quite a bit of youth and Del Val returns 10 starters on offense and 3 or 4 transfers (a few names, potentially, if they enroll in January which would be VERY significant) to help the six returning starters on defense. Del Val is also going to have many recruits at the home playoff games so a two or three game run could also help big time with some nice recruits/transfers.

As always Lyco......thanks for your service.

Don't forget that your son gave back generously to his alma mater as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2011, 06:05:33 PM
Clandfan - Thanks for the reminder. I believe that he may be on the Board of Trustees as well. He and his wife gave $3,000,000 to a South Jersey Hospital to expand a neo-natal unit. All of their children were born at the hospital. He used to give out candy on Halloween........you could count on one hand the number of pro athletes who would even let the kids venture onto their compounds, let alone stand at the door giving out candy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RedDragonFan on November 16, 2011, 12:42:03 PM
Hello MAC board.  Wondering if there are any Albright posters out there interested in talking about the upcoming game against Cortland State.  Looking forward to the game and it's always interesting to play a new team as the two teams have not met before.  Long term weather appears to be good football weather but then again, up in Cortland, you never know what the weather will bring.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 16, 2011, 08:06:57 PM
Mentioned before good luck to Albright, Del Val, Lebanon Valley, and didn't mean to miss Widener who will also be playing a post season game on Sat.  WOW, four from the MAC - amazing!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: USTBench on November 17, 2011, 04:01:17 PM
What can people tell me about the Aggies?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RedDragonFan on November 17, 2011, 04:25:16 PM
Well I tried to stike up a conversation with any Albright posters but looks like no takers.  If there are any seeing this and you are heading to Cortland, safe travels and look forward to seeing the two team battle.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 17, 2011, 05:50:54 PM
Holy smokes, Warren, what in the Harry brought that on?????   Can't you at least be for them in post season play????  And, to think i was bemoaning the fact that our DVC opening tourney isn't at Leb Val.  Hubby & i loved staying at Forty Winks, and we've always enjoyed our ride there (on 501), not to mention really liking your athletic complex!  Bold face, no less - that's painful!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 17, 2011, 06:35:12 PM
It's O.K., Warren, you're totally forgiven.  You KNOW what a homer i am  ::)  Still say, Mighty MAC!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 17, 2011, 08:35:18 PM
PS to the above post - especially right before the football post season, and the start of basketball season!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: maAggie on November 19, 2011, 04:32:21 PM
Congrats Del Val! Quite an impressive second half! Keep it rolling!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Upstate on November 19, 2011, 05:02:45 PM
I'm we get a game half as exciting as the last 5 minutes of the last time SJF went to DVC it's going to be a good one...

Can't wait!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 19, 2011, 08:01:18 PM
Amazing win today, Aggies!  Best luck with Saint John Fisher on next Saturday!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 20, 2011, 07:12:21 AM
It would appear that Norwich was not as good a team as Lebanon Valley College - given their lack of output against DVC.  The MAC often has better teams who do not win the league than other league champions.  This does not take anything away from the Aggies but it does show the quirky construction of the current pairing system in D-3.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

ATB
 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 20, 2011, 12:44:01 PM
Just saw on the Del Val web site that the Aggies will host St. John Fisher at noon on Saturday.  GOOD LUCK!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Upstate on November 20, 2011, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: kate on November 20, 2011, 12:44:01 PM
Just saw on the Del Val web site that the Aggies will host St. John Fisher at noon on Saturday.  GOOD LUCK!!!

How's the field holding up?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 20, 2011, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 20, 2011, 07:12:21 AM
The MAC often has better teams who do not win the league than other league champions. 

ATB

Yes. Good point. [And the key word is often.]
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 20, 2011, 04:56:51 PM
Upstate - The field is in wonderful shape. The wealthy alum (Robert Lipinski) who donated the cash and manpower did a great job with drainage and keeping a grass field in great condition in the Northeast. The away teams have commented on how much they like the surface........vs. all of the pretty (but much harder) fake fields springing up all over the place.

Should be a great game in bucolic Doylestown next Saturday.

ATB - I'm thinking about getting up as high in the first (and subsequent rounds) as possible at this point for our wounded Birds:)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on November 20, 2011, 05:10:48 PM
Some years ago, I played against Delaware Valley on that field during wet conditions, however I can not recall any problems slipping. The only thing that was slippery was the quarterback they had a few years ago, great athlete. Overall, the field was never a issue when it was wet, but I still would love to see the game between St. John Fisher and Delware Valley played in great weather conditions on a dry field.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Upstate on November 20, 2011, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 20, 2011, 04:56:51 PM
Upstate - The field is in wonderful shape. The wealthy alum (Robert Lipinski) who donated the cash and manpower did a great job with drainage and keeping a grass field in great condition in the Northeast. The away teams have commented on how much they like the surface........vs. all of the pretty (but much harder) fake fields springing up all over the place.

Should be a great game in bucolic Doylestown next Saturday.

ATB - I'm thinking about getting up as high in the first (and subsequent rounds) as possible at this point for our wounded Birds:)

Great!

Hopefully the game is just as exciting as the last time they met!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 20, 2011, 06:47:08 PM
This is in response to Warren Thompson's post #5395 @ 4:51 pm, yes Warren what you're referring to has just happened four years in a row!  No more "trash talk" from me, i'll just let the Aggies do the talking on Saturday afternoon.  GO DEL VAL!!!!! PS: sorrry i don't know how to work the quote part of this site.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 20, 2011, 07:05:12 PM
Quote from: kate on November 20, 2011, 06:47:08 PM
This is in response to Warren Thompson's post #5395 @ 4:51 pm, yes Warren what you're referring to has just happened four years in a row!  No more "trash talk" from me, i'll just let the Aggies do the talking on Saturday afternoon.  GO DEL VAL!!!!! PS: sorrry i don't know how to work the quote part of this site.

I agree, quoting is pretty difficult...

(FYI - there is a 'quote' button on the upper right hand corner of every post made.  All you need to do is click it)  :-)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 20, 2011, 07:29:56 PM
Yes, Lew Dogg, i see it now :( - "word" to you, too  :-\
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 21, 2011, 07:05:38 PM
Lyco80 - WOW!!! The Eagles laid the wood to the Giants last night:)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 23, 2011, 12:16:27 AM
Yeah - now if they can just play that way another six games they may actually amount to something this year - but - they ARE - 3-1 in the Division which may be important at the end if all the teams finish around .500.  Thanks for the shout.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 23, 2011, 06:41:01 PM
I won't be online much over the holidays so might as well post this now...

St. John Fisher (9-2)
vs.
Delaware Valley (11-0)

The NCAA playoffs roll on with a rematch of a 2004 playoff match-up. Kickoff is 12 pm with pregame coverage at 11:40. Click here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-football-2011) to listen.

Whatever your team of choice, have a great Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 23, 2011, 10:19:08 PM
gordon, happy thanksgiving to you too.  I wish I could be there cause it is going to be a good one.  Sorry I have a date in Dover.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 25, 2011, 03:37:10 PM
The Absolute, Very Best Luck to the Aggies of Delaware Valley College as they take on St. John Fisher tomorrow at noon in Doylestown!!!  SJF has certainly proven the NCAA committee right in their at large selection, and it won't be an easy game, but GO DEL VAL!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 26, 2011, 02:36:33 PM
Congratulations to St. John Fisher beating the Aggies this afternoon 24/14.  I especially liked it when announcer Gordon Mann said how about a re-match next season!  Now, we'll just say go SJF.  The Aggies truly had an amazing season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on November 26, 2011, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 20, 2011, 07:12:21 AM
It would appear that Norwich was not as good a team as Lebanon Valley College - given their lack of output against DVC.  The MAC often has better teams who do not win the league than other league champions.  This does not take anything away from the Aggies but it does show the quirky construction of the current pairing system in D-3.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

ATB


As is the case with the Empire 8.  Our runner ups often have better teams than other league's champions. 


The final score was Fisher 27-14.  Good game Del Val.  It was tough to exhale at any point during the game given what happened in 2004...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 26, 2011, 03:00:30 PM
Yep. Congrats to the Cards.  They played great.  Very physical up front. That's the stuff national title contenders are made of.

Good luck in Minnesota (St. Thomas is leading now).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 26, 2011, 05:37:06 PM
gordon, fisher is good, did the inexperience finally catch up with the Aggies?  Very promising for the next couple of years with those offensive players.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Upstate on November 26, 2011, 06:10:48 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 26, 2011, 05:37:06 PM
gordon, fisher is good, did the inexperience finally catch up with the Aggies?  Very promising for the next couple of years with those offensive players.

Agree, they are in good shape with that QB who looks to have a great future ahead of him!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 26, 2011, 06:42:47 PM
Thanks for the kind words, guys.

Actually it was a combination of two things from my view: sloppiness in some areas and St. John Fisher's strength.

Del Val had over 100 yards of penalties, four interceptions and a botched snap on a punt. Not the things victories are made of.  But even with fewer interceptions and penalties, I'm not sure if they would've beaten Fisher today. The Cards were big, fast, strong and disciplined.  They earned the win.

Del Val brings back a lot on offense next year. The quarterback is a freshman, top tailback a sophomore and one of the top receivers a sophomore. Defense takes some hits but Clements always finds a way to replenish on that side.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on November 26, 2011, 06:47:55 PM
Congrats to Delaware Valley on a tremendous season. I definitely see you guys in the playoffs for years to come.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SJFF82 on November 27, 2011, 12:16:46 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 26, 2011, 06:42:47 PM
Thanks for the kind words, guys.

Actually it was a combination of two things from my view: sloppiness in some areas and St. John Fisher's strength.

Del Val had over 100 yards of penalties, four interceptions and a botched snap on a punt. Not the things victories are made of.  But even with fewer interceptions and penalties, I'm not sure if they would've beaten Fisher today. The Cards were big, fast, strong and disciplined.  They earned the win.

Del Val brings back a lot on offense next year. The quarterback is a freshman, top tailback a sophomore and one of the top receivers a sophomore. Defense takes some hits but Clements always finds a way to replenish on that side.

I think most of the penalty yardage was personal foul type stuff near end of game...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 28, 2011, 12:10:46 PM
Yeah, like two of the interceptions, some of the penalties didn't have a big bearing on the game. But there was one series where Del Val had back to back encroachment penalties followed by a pass interference call. I think that's the drive where SJF scored its first touchdown.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 18, 2011, 07:49:16 PM
Not a word on here about the Stagg Bowl - again a meeting of the two haves of D-III.  How they do it is a bit of a wonder but you have to think that success does breed success but it is still a bit of conundrum how two very different schools in enrollment and financial structure can be so dominant and it looks like there is really very little to counter the status quo anywhere near the horizon.

Today the Giants laid an egg against the Redskins - how they could be so inspired against Dallas and so lame against the Skins today is yet another mystery.  And how can the Chefs, great googly moogly, beat the Packers?  But in the NFC East:

The good news - is the door remains open, just a wee bit, for the Eagles who can yet win the division particularly if the Giants lose again and the Eagles win out - including a defeat of the Cowboys.

That would be a sweet Christmas present.

Trust all the MAC posters are snug in their beds - with dreams of sugarplums and full stockings.  Merry Christmas to all!

ATB



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 26, 2011, 04:49:25 PM
Have to say after hearing what is in store for DVC when they go to university status shortly is very cool, even if only 1/2 of it were to come to fruition it is nothing but great things for the school. Some great things are being discussed and on the table. Wow...is all that can be said. Pretty good stuff... Happy Holidays everyone.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 28, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
PBR

Not trying to be negative - I really just want to know:

What difference is there if/when Del Val becomes a university? Is there some sort of change with PA rules?

I ask because most of the NJ state colleges went through all of this about 15 years ago. Once the state department of ed. relaxed the rules, everyone became a university from Willie P to Rowan.  Other than the name changes, nothing else happened!

Bill

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on December 29, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
Quote from: bill on December 28, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
PBR

Not trying to be negative - I really just want to know:

What difference is there if/when Del Val becomes a university? Is there some sort of change with PA rules?

I ask because most of the NJ state colleges went through all of this about 15 years ago. Once the state department of ed. relaxed the rules, everyone became a university from Willie P to Rowan.  Other than the name changes, nothing else happened!

Bill

I believe it has something to do with graduate courses being offered or the number of graduate courses being offered.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on December 29, 2011, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: SUADC on December 29, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
Quote from: bill on December 28, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
PBR

Not trying to be negative - I really just want to know:

What difference is there if/when Del Val becomes a university? Is there some sort of change with PA rules?

I ask because most of the NJ state colleges went through all of this about 15 years ago. Once the state department of ed. relaxed the rules, everyone became a university from Willie P to Rowan.  Other than the name changes, nothing else happened!

Bill

I believe it has something to do with graduate courses being offered or the number of graduate courses being offered.

Actually the name 'university' or 'college' have no legal distinction in terms of federal or state aid anywhere.  I had attended some meetings for Western New England College when they wanted to change their name to Western New England University.  The main reason they were doing it was because of how it appears to international students who still associate 'universities' with higher education and colleges with high schools and lower level institutes of learning.  Also a universit
y is a place that has different schools within the whole school (schools of nursing, education, business, agriculture, etc.). It was clear that the school would not be getting any other legal or financial advantage with the name change.  There was some opposition but the international association along with the fact that in 100 years no one will care about the name change is what basically made it go through.


Basically some schools are universities but still call themselves colleges (Boston College, Ithaca College, Dartmouth, William and Mary).  If a college wanted to expand by adding schools and programs, then you would see some great changes at that school.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zach on December 29, 2011, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 29, 2011, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: SUADC on December 29, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
Quote from: bill on December 28, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
PBR

Not trying to be negative - I really just want to know:

What difference is there if/when Del Val becomes a university? Is there some sort of change with PA rules?

I ask because most of the NJ state colleges went through all of this about 15 years ago. Once the state department of ed. relaxed the rules, everyone became a university from Willie P to Rowan.  Other than the name changes, nothing else happened!

Bill

I believe it has something to do with graduate courses being offered or the number of graduate courses being offered.

Actually the name 'university' or 'college' have no legal distinction in terms of federal or state aid anywhere.  I had attended some meetings for Western New England College when they wanted to change their name to Western New England University.  The main reason they were doing it was because of how it appears to international students who still associate 'universities' with higher education and colleges with high schools and lower level institutes of learning.  Also a universit
y is a place that has different schools within the whole school (schools of nursing, education, business, agriculture, etc.). It was clear that the school would not be getting any other legal or financial advantage with the name change.  There was some opposition but the international association along with the fact that in 100 years no one will care about the name change is what basically made it go through.


Basically some schools are universities but still call themselves colleges (Boston College, Ithaca College, Dartmouth, William and Mary).  If a college wanted to expand by adding schools and programs, then you would see some great changes at that school.

Not completely true. It depends on the state. Some states it means nothing, some it does. I know that in Massachusettes and New York it means something. In Massachusettes you need a certain amount of master programs.  I don't have the number in front of me. It used to be that you needed 2 doctorate programs, but the state decided to strike that a few years ago, when they wanted to make their state colleges universities. Western New England University opened up the college of Pharmacy to fit the old requirements, only to find out that they state screwed them over and decided they only needed the lower requirements.

You are right about it being able to draw international students better. In Europe College is not the same as University. It is a step lower. In the French language, College means middle school for example. Therefore it is much easier to track international students, who do not recieve financial aide, if you are an university and not a college.

And a college has schools, university has colleges.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on December 30, 2011, 07:59:07 AM
Quote from: zach on December 29, 2011, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 29, 2011, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: SUADC on December 29, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
Quote from: bill on December 28, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
PBR

Not trying to be negative - I really just want to know:

What difference is there if/when Del Val becomes a university? Is there some sort of change with PA rules?

I ask because most of the NJ state colleges went through all of this about 15 years ago. Once the state department of ed. relaxed the rules, everyone became a university from Willie P to Rowan.  Other than the name changes, nothing else happened!

Bill

I believe it has something to do with graduate courses being offered or the number of graduate courses being offered.

Actually the name 'university' or 'college' have no legal distinction in terms of federal or state aid anywhere.  I had attended some meetings for Western New England College when they wanted to change their name to Western New England University.  The main reason they were doing it was because of how it appears to international students who still associate 'universities' with higher education and colleges with high schools and lower level institutes of learning.  Also a universit
y is a place that has different schools within the whole school (schools of nursing, education, business, agriculture, etc.). It was clear that the school would not be getting any other legal or financial advantage with the name change.  There was some opposition but the international association along with the fact that in 100 years no one will care about the name change is what basically made it go through.


Basically some schools are universities but still call themselves colleges (Boston College, Ithaca College, Dartmouth, William and Mary).  If a college wanted to expand by adding schools and programs, then you would see some great changes at that school.

Not completely true. It depends on the state. Some states it means nothing, some it does. I know that in Massachusettes and New York it means something. In Massachusettes you need a certain amount of master programs.  I don't have the number in front of me. It used to be that you needed 2 doctorate programs, but the state decided to strike that a few years ago, when they wanted to make their state colleges universities. Western New England University opened up the college of Pharmacy to fit the old requirements, only to find out that they state screwed them over and decided they only needed the lower requirements.

You are right about it being able to draw international students better. In Europe College is not the same as University. It is a step lower. In the French language, College means middle school for example. Therefore it is much easier to track international students, who do not recieve financial aide, if you are an university and not a college.

And a college has schools, university has colleges.

You are right, but I'm talking about the name itself, not the benefits you would get if you had graduate programs, colleges within your college, PHD programs, etc.  You can legally call your school whatever you want (Allthough the state does have to approve your name change or original name if you want to be recogonized). 

Boston College calls itself a university, and has different colleges within the college. 

Western New England did not have to change their name just because they added the pharmacy program (they already had colleges within the college and called themselves colleges from what I remember).  They also had several graduate programs before the change.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: zach on January 09, 2012, 04:42:03 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 30, 2011, 07:59:07 AM
Quote from: zach on December 29, 2011, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 29, 2011, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: SUADC on December 29, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
Quote from: bill on December 28, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
PBR

Not trying to be negative - I really just want to know:

What difference is there if/when Del Val becomes a university? Is there some sort of change with PA rules?

I ask because most of the NJ state colleges went through all of this about 15 years ago. Once the state department of ed. relaxed the rules, everyone became a university from Willie P to Rowan.  Other than the name changes, nothing else happened!

Bill

I believe it has something to do with graduate courses being offered or the number of graduate courses being offered.

Actually the name 'university' or 'college' have no legal distinction in terms of federal or state aid anywhere.  I had attended some meetings for Western New England College when they wanted to change their name to Western New England University.  The main reason they were doing it was because of how it appears to international students who still associate 'universities' with higher education and colleges with high schools and lower level institutes of learning.  Also a universit
y is a place that has different schools within the whole school (schools of nursing, education, business, agriculture, etc.). It was clear that the school would not be getting any other legal or financial advantage with the name change.  There was some opposition but the international association along with the fact that in 100 years no one will care about the name change is what basically made it go through.


Basically some schools are universities but still call themselves colleges (Boston College, Ithaca College, Dartmouth, William and Mary).  If a college wanted to expand by adding schools and programs, then you would see some great changes at that school.

Not completely true. It depends on the state. Some states it means nothing, some it does. I know that in Massachusettes and New York it means something. In Massachusettes you need a certain amount of master programs.  I don't have the number in front of me. It used to be that you needed 2 doctorate programs, but the state decided to strike that a few years ago, when they wanted to make their state colleges universities. Western New England University opened up the college of Pharmacy to fit the old requirements, only to find out that they state screwed them over and decided they only needed the lower requirements.

You are right about it being able to draw international students better. In Europe College is not the same as University. It is a step lower. In the French language, College means middle school for example. Therefore it is much easier to track international students, who do not recieve financial aide, if you are an university and not a college.

And a college has schools, university has colleges.

You are right, but I'm talking about the name itself, not the benefits you would get if you had graduate programs, colleges within your college, PHD programs, etc.  You can legally call your school whatever you want (Allthough the state does have to approve your name change or original name if you want to be recogonized). 

Boston College calls itself a university, and has different colleges within the college. 

Western New England did not have to change their name just because they added the pharmacy program (they already had colleges within the college and called themselves colleges from what I remember).  They also had several graduate programs before the change.

I think you misread my post. You don't get graduate programs if you become an university, or have to become an university if you add a program. WNE wanted to become an university, so they added the pharmacy program to get the requirements that they needed to become an university in the commonwealth of Massachusettes. They did have graduate programs before the change, just not enough to be an university. They had schools not colleges when they were WNEC. How can you have a college inside of a college?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on January 09, 2012, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: zach on January 09, 2012, 04:42:03 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 30, 2011, 07:59:07 AM
Quote from: zach on December 29, 2011, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 29, 2011, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: SUADC on December 29, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
Quote from: bill on December 28, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
PBR

Not trying to be negative - I really just want to know:

What difference is there if/when Del Val becomes a university? Is there some sort of change with PA rules?

I ask because most of the NJ state colleges went through all of this about 15 years ago. Once the state department of ed. relaxed the rules, everyone became a university from Willie P to Rowan.  Other than the name changes, nothing else happened!

Bill

I believe it has something to do with graduate courses being offered or the number of graduate courses being offered.

Actually the name 'university' or 'college' have no legal distinction in terms of federal or state aid anywhere.  I had attended some meetings for Western New England College when they wanted to change their name to Western New England University.  The main reason they were doing it was because of how it appears to international students who still associate 'universities' with higher education and colleges with high schools and lower level institutes of learning.  Also a universit
y is a place that has different schools within the whole school (schools of nursing, education, business, agriculture, etc.). It was clear that the school would not be getting any other legal or financial advantage with the name change.  There was some opposition but the international association along with the fact that in 100 years no one will care about the name change is what basically made it go through.


Basically some schools are universities but still call themselves colleges (Boston College, Ithaca College, Dartmouth, William and Mary).  If a college wanted to expand by adding schools and programs, then you would see some great changes at that school.

Not completely true. It depends on the state. Some states it means nothing, some it does. I know that in Massachusettes and New York it means something. In Massachusettes you need a certain amount of master programs.  I don't have the number in front of me. It used to be that you needed 2 doctorate programs, but the state decided to strike that a few years ago, when they wanted to make their state colleges universities. Western New England University opened up the college of Pharmacy to fit the old requirements, only to find out that they state screwed them over and decided they only needed the lower requirements.

You are right about it being able to draw international students better. In Europe College is not the same as University. It is a step lower. In the French language, College means middle school for example. Therefore it is much easier to track international students, who do not recieve financial aide, if you are an university and not a college.

And a college has schools, university has colleges.

You are right, but I'm talking about the name itself, not the benefits you would get if you had graduate programs, colleges within your college, PHD programs, etc.  You can legally call your school whatever you want (Allthough the state does have to approve your name change or original name if you want to be recogonized). 

Boston College calls itself a university, and has different colleges within the college. 

Western New England did not have to change their name just because they added the pharmacy program (they already had colleges within the college and called themselves colleges from what I remember).  They also had several graduate programs before the change.

I think you misread my post. You don't get graduate programs if you become an university, or have to become an university if you add a program. WNE wanted to become an university, so they added the pharmacy program to get the requirements that they needed to become an university in the commonwealth of Massachusettes. They did have graduate programs before the change, just not enough to be an university. They had schools not colleges when they were WNEC. How can you have a college inside of a college?

My point was that WNEC didn't have to change their name because they added some graduate programs.  Just like Boston College or Dartmouth College didn't change their names.  Boston College has The College of Arts and Sciences within the school.  WNEC could have applied for a name change years ago.  They aren't going to get any extra benefits that Williams or Amherst couldn't get.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 13, 2012, 08:35:53 AM
Interesting quotes from the president of DVC and affordability of college and especially Pell Grants...very interesting...

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer_news/with-biden-coming-college-presidents-debate-affordability/article_97304a51-cdae-5a34-96dc-dca51820ba36.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on January 13, 2012, 08:52:43 AM
Quote from: PBR... on January 13, 2012, 08:35:53 AM
Interesting quotes from the president of DVC and affordability of college and especially Pell Grants...very interesting...

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer_news/with-biden-coming-college-presidents-debate-affordability/article_97304a51-cdae-5a34-96dc-dca51820ba36.html

That is a very good article PBR.  The one thing I never see addressed when discussing college cost is how many kids going to college should not be going to college at all.  I think educators in this country need to reevaluate higher education.  Getting and education should not mean just college but too many HS educators and counselors tell kids they need to go to college to further themselves, this is a lie. Many of these kids would be better served by going to Tech high schools or tech schools after college.  Maybe the states need to invest some money into public technical schools.  This way instead of choosing between a college or a for profit school like Lincoln Tech they could go to the the State School of Technology, this way we start creating more craftsmen, tradesmen etc that are desperately needed, especially within the next 20 years or so.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 06, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
I just wanted to express my heartfelt sympathy to the entire Delaware Valley College football family on the passing of Amadeus Hall last Friday. He was a good kid, with an infectious smile and a great personality.

Far too young :'(

RIP Amadeus with God.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on June 10, 2012, 11:28:47 AM
Shout out to Lyco 80 and all the Lycoming posters - DelVal's S.I.D., Matt Levy, did a  poll listing four of the Fall football games, & asking which one are you most looking forward to.  Hands down, the winner was the Lycoming game on September 8, by 50% no less.  A distant second with 31% was Homecoming on Sept. 29 with 31%  How about that!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 26, 2012, 01:08:04 PM
No reason to waste time playing the regular season we know who will be coming out of the east...


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2012/6/7/FB_2012lindys.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on June 26, 2012, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: PBR... on June 26, 2012, 01:08:04 PM
No reason to waste time playing the regular season we know who will be coming out of the east...


http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2012/6/7/FB_2012lindys.aspx

That's the problem with pre-season rankings, it always looks good on paper and builds up people assumptions as to how an outcome of a season should look like. Nevertheless, with those many starters returning, they have a better chance in returning than many other teams, this team reminds me of Salisbury '08 team, the only difference is that we were not in a conference and was not entitiled to an automatic-bid, so chances are higher in making the playoffs for this Del Val team and to think of it, we lost to Del Val 2008, which basically knock us out of playoff contention, we finished 9-2 with a ECAC Bowl win over Moravian.  :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on July 19, 2012, 10:21:02 AM
Nice article here on Del Val offensive lineman, John Lavelle - http://wwwbsmphilly.com/sports/5602-on-the-offensive.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on July 20, 2012, 09:14:57 AM
Looking forward to the week #1 match up between Del Val and the Profs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Wahama on July 22, 2012, 10:12:23 AM
Couple of great interviews with Del Val's OL John Lavelle and QB Aaron Wilmer

Lavelle: http://www.bsncollege.com/videos/1557/854/beyond-the-sidelines-interview-w

Wilmer: http://www.bsncollege.com/videos/1557/853/beyond-the-sidelines-interview-w
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 22, 2012, 05:45:12 PM
You never know for sure until they officially show up for school AND show up in mid-August at camp, but I'm hearing about a few very interesting transfers heading over to Doylestown as well as some very talented freshmen. A couple of last year's starters on the offensive line will be pushed extremely hard, the defense has a couple of potential studs joining the program and the offense will have another special weapon or two for Aaron Wilmer!! A little birdie told me that some news is forthcoming about an athletic complex that will rival many D3 schools in the area.

Could be a very good year for the Aggies!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2012, 05:36:32 PM
Quote from: Wahama on July 22, 2012, 10:12:23 AM
Couple of great interviews with Del Val's OL John Lavelle and QB Aaron Wilmer

Lavelle: http://www.bsncollege.com/videos/1557/854/beyond-the-sidelines-interview-w

Wilmer: http://www.bsncollege.com/videos/1557/853/beyond-the-sidelines-interview-w

If you want to participate in a conversation, Kerry, I welcome you to do so. But making five posts, all of them links, is considered spamming and is generally frowned upon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 29, 2012, 09:16:43 PM
Pat - Not that it matters.....since you are an All-American and I am but a mere Second Stringer  :) , but I don't know exactly why the issue with Kerry (and the reason for a name vs. a handle). As a D3 fan and living in the Aggies backyard, I appreciated the links as I would have never known of their existence as I had never heard of the site. I don't see that site as competition in any way, shape or form so I hope that's not the reason for your post.

Now, back to things that really matter  :) ..................
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2012, 10:23:34 PM
If I felt that way, I'd simply delete the posts. But indeed, it is poor form to simply register for a forum and post solely links.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 29, 2012, 11:16:53 PM
Pat - Fair enough. I did appreciate the links but understand your point as well. Maybe Kerry will join in discussion at some point and if not.......zap him :)

I'm looking forward to a great regular season........not as much to the Mount Union vs. UWWW championship game part of it :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Maybe it won't end that way. Eight years? That would be crazy. Not that seven wasn't already nuts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Wahama on July 30, 2012, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2012, 05:36:32 PM
Quote from: Wahama on July 22, 2012, 10:12:23 AM
Couple of great interviews with Del Val's OL John Lavelle and QB Aaron Wilmer

Lavelle: http://www.bsncollege.com/videos/1557/854/beyond-the-sidelines-interview-w

Wilmer: http://www.bsncollege.com/videos/1557/853/beyond-the-sidelines-interview-w

If you want to participate in a conversation, Kerry, I welcome you to do so. But making five posts, all of them links, is considered spamming and is generally frowned upon.

First off Pat, thanks for not deleting the posts. I merely was trying to share these athletes' stories while also hoping to start some conversations from them. I definitely plan to add my two cents in where relevant (not that I claim to be an expert of any sort). Please don't think I'm spamming, just simply putting these athletes out there for everybody to see. I know we have plenty more interviews with D3 athletes and I look forward to posting them where relevant and adding to the conversation a bit myself with these videos and what I have learned from these athletes. I'm glad we're able to work together to help share these athletes' stories, because in the end that's what it's all about.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on August 01, 2012, 07:38:14 PM
My cousin posted pictures of Lyco's new turf. Hate to admit it, but it's pretty sharp.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on August 02, 2012, 10:35:55 AM
Quote from: TheGrove on August 01, 2012, 07:38:14 PM
My cousin posted pictures of Lyco's new turf. Hate to admit it, but it's pretty sharp.

I am glad the rest of the MAC is catching up with the times regarding the new turf. Are there photos available?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 08, 2012, 10:55:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 22, 2012, 05:45:12 PM
You never know for sure until they officially show up for school AND show up in mid-August at camp, but I'm hearing about a few very interesting transfers heading over to Doylestown as well as some very talented freshmen. A couple of last year's starters on the offensive line will be pushed extremely hard, the defense has a couple of potential studs joining the program and the offense will have another special weapon or two for Aaron Wilmer!! A little birdie told me that some news is forthcoming about an athletic complex that will rival many D3 schools in the area.

Could be a very good year for the Aggies!!

No word on the athletic complex yet but a new life sciences building looks very nice that they will be breaking ground on in October...
http://www.delval.edu/news/all/2012/07/delvals_life_sciences_building_is_moving_towards_a_fall_groundbreaking
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ZeroMischief on August 10, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
Players reporting to camp tomorrow.  Green/Gold game next Saturday the 18th.  Can't wait!  GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 10, 2012, 06:57:09 PM
Zero - Do you have the time and location of the Green & Gold scrimmage and do you know if they are scrimmaging Ursinus again the following Saturday?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 10, 2012, 09:03:08 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 10, 2012, 06:57:09 PM
Zero - Do you have the time and location of the Green & Gold scrimmage and do you know if they are scrimmaging Ursinus again the following Saturday?

Gordon probably knows or can find out
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ZeroMischief on August 14, 2012, 11:35:48 AM
My kid told me last night that the Green & Gold game is at 2:00 on the game field this Saturday.  The Ursinus scrimmage is the following Friday night at 7:00pm at Ursinus College.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 14, 2012, 07:12:42 PM
Thanks ZM. On another note, I know that it's only been a few days but any word from your son about any freshman, transfers that could make an impact right away? I heard something about a transfer from Stevenson giving Wilmer another weapon and two big transfers on the defensive line.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ZeroMischief on August 20, 2012, 01:16:06 PM
As far as I could tell, the receiving corps are all returning players.  I saw no new faces on the D-line, either.  I could be wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure I'm correct.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 21, 2012, 09:27:57 AM
By the way, did anyone watch the Stevenson football facility video? WOW.  I don't know how anyone in the conference is going to able to compete...it's borderline funny, the facilities are so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-I6QpButII&feature=player_embedded

it's scary.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 21, 2012, 01:06:25 PM
Quote from: bill on August 21, 2012, 09:27:57 AM
By the way, did anyone watch the Stevenson football facility video? WOW.  I don't know how anyone in the conference is going to able to compete...it's borderline funny, the facilities are so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-I6QpButII&feature=player_embedded

it's scary.....

It's the way of the future Bill....It started in D-I and has been trickling down to the smaller schools for years now. Look at what RPI put in, Stevenson has this facility, there are numerous others either in or planned. There are talks/murmur's of DVC putting in a new athletic complex. Basically it's going to force schools to compete. They will have to dig deep as well to pay for these facilities. Going to need some big fundraisers with alumni or have a couple alumni write very big checks. Yes it's kinda sad in a way as some schools either don't have the money or will opt to spend money on other things like library/dorms/etc.. and will hurt their program recruiting wise. This initially seemed to start with dorms/libraries/campus facilities and then moved over to sports programs. Stevenson's facilities are impressive and I only see more and more schools going this route. Your going to have to make capital investments in the facilities to be able to compete on a level playing field in the future otherwise teams will become the perennial homecoming opponent for many schools.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on August 21, 2012, 02:15:41 PM
Yes, the arms race is well under way, but I didn't think Stevenson was at the "deep end" of the money pool. I know MD had some incredible deal for higher ed where the state would match funds 1 to 1, without limit!.  There is a similar deal on the ballot for NJ this fall, although I think there is a limit around 40$ million....

I've seen RPI's facilities, and they are incredible. However, I think their endowment might be greater/equal to the entire football playing MAC, combined! (This is off the top of my head....)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on August 21, 2012, 08:57:09 PM
Quote from: bill on August 21, 2012, 09:27:57 AM
By the way, did anyone watch the Stevenson football facility video? WOW.  I don't know how anyone in the conference is going to able to compete...it's borderline funny, the facilities are so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-I6QpButII&feature=player_embedded

it's scary.....

These facilities are amazing! Congrats to the student athletes at Stevenson!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: NCF on August 22, 2012, 07:22:06 AM
Quote from: SUADC on August 22, 2012, 06:26:09 AM
Quote from: dlip on August 21, 2012, 08:57:09 PM
Quote from: bill on August 21, 2012, 09:27:57 AM
By the way, did anyone watch the Stevenson football facility video? WOW.  I don't know how anyone in the conference is going to able to compete...it's borderline funny, the facilities are so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-I6QpButII&feature=player_embedded

it's scary.....

These facilities are amazing! Congrats to the student athletes at Stevenson!

Salisbury definitely took a hit in the recruiting area. Some players chose to go to Stevenson because of facilities alone. I can honestly say, if I was being recruited by Stevenson and some other team with a similar prestige, I would select Stevenson. The facilities gives the athlete that Division 1 atmosphere.

Big props to the Stevenson Program as a whole.
Those facilities are amazing! Definitely gives the feeling of a D1 faciility. Wow!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 22, 2012, 04:20:02 PM
Great interview with coach Clements of DVC...They are very deep at a lot of positions. Going to be very strong this season if they take each game head on and don't get caught looking ahead.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/08/22/aggies-poised-for-another-big-year-in-doylestown/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mitch_Rupert on August 26, 2012, 12:42:46 AM
Hi folks, I cover Lycoming for the Williamsport Sun-Gazette, and I figured since there's not a whole lot of Lyco talk on here but I'm sure others are still interested, that I'd start posting in case anybody had questions about the Warriors.

Here's my story from their scrimmage on Thursday with Franklin & Marshall:

https://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/582420/Warriors-win-scrimmage-with-Diplomats.html?nav=5017 (https://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/582420/Warriors-win-scrimmage-with-Diplomats.html?nav=5017)

And here's an earlier feature from last week on new safety Cody Butler:

http://www.sungazette.com/page/blogs.detail/display/1032/Butler-comes-back-home-to-Lycoming.html (http://www.sungazette.com/page/blogs.detail/display/1032/Butler-comes-back-home-to-Lycoming.html)

Follow me on Twitter at twitter.com/Mitch_Rupert if you're interested in Lyco updates. Look forward to interacting with everyone.

Mitch Rupert
Williamsport Sun-Gazette
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 26, 2012, 02:02:24 PM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2012 TOP 25 FAN POLL (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.msg1434525#msg1434525):
Please send me a PM with your ballot. I'd like to get a preseason poll up by Thursday night.

During the season ballots shall be due by Tuesdays so I can get them up Tuesday night.

Remember, this is just fun and we aren't part of the BCS Formula... yet ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on August 26, 2012, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: Mitch_Rupert on August 26, 2012, 12:42:46 AM
Hi folks, I cover Lycoming for the Williamsport Sun-Gazette, and I figured since there's not a whole lot of Lyco talk on here but I'm sure others are still interested, that I'd start posting in case anybody had questions about the Warriors.

Anyone emerging from that crop of sophomore receivers? My cousin is one of them, but I'm not going to tell you who so I get your unvarnished opinion.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mitch_Rupert on August 29, 2012, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on August 26, 2012, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: Mitch_Rupert on August 26, 2012, 12:42:46 AM
Hi folks, I cover Lycoming for the Williamsport Sun-Gazette, and I figured since there's not a whole lot of Lyco talk on here but I'm sure others are still interested, that I'd start posting in case anybody had questions about the Warriors.

Anyone emerging from that crop of sophomore receivers? My cousin is one of them, but I'm not going to tell you who so I get your unvarnished opinion.  ;D

I really like John Sibel. He's going to see a lot of time, especially if Matt Atkinson is continually dealing with a leg injury that's going to make him miss the first week with Brockport. He's just really solid, I don't know that he doesn't anything exceptionally, but he's just really solid all around.

Scott Houser has seen a lot of time, especially with Atkinson and Jarrin Campman banged up during the scrimmage last week with F&M. There's potential there. I don't know if he's quite ready for a starring role, but he can definitely help this team as a third or fourth receiver.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on August 30, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
What happened to all the Aggies fans that used to post here.  Was hoping to get some early insight into the Aggies before this weekends game at Rowan.  I am looking forward to see how good the offense will be this year, very good last year and young.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 31, 2012, 07:36:34 PM
Hallooo...

Anybody in here?

Delaware Valley
versus
Rowan University

We'll cover the goings on starting with pregame at 12:40 leading up to kickoff at 1 pm.  You can listen to the broadcast (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-football-2011) here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 31, 2012, 09:04:52 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on August 31, 2012, 07:36:34 PM
Hallooo...

Anybody in here?

Delaware Valley
versus
Rowan University

We'll cover the goings on starting with pregame at 12:40 leading up to kickoff at 1 pm.  You can listen to the broadcast (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-football-2011) here.

We could ask the same of you! Where have you been??? Hope you had a great summer. Really looking forward to a great DVC season. I think they are loaded this year. DVC 35 Rowan 14 (Sorry JT)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on August 31, 2012, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: Mitch_Rupert on August 26, 2012, 12:42:46 AM
Hi folks, I cover Lycoming for the Williamsport Sun-Gazette, and I figured since there's not a whole lot of Lyco talk on here but I'm sure others are still interested, that I'd start posting in case anybody had questions about the Warriors.

Here's my story from their scrimmage on Thursday with Franklin & Marshall:

https://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/582420/Warriors-win-scrimmage-with-Diplomats.html?nav=5017 (https://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/582420/Warriors-win-scrimmage-with-Diplomats.html?nav=5017)

And here's an earlier feature from last week on new safety Cody Butler:

http://www.sungazette.com/page/blogs.detail/display/1032/Butler-comes-back-home-to-Lycoming.html (http://www.sungazette.com/page/blogs.detail/display/1032/Butler-comes-back-home-to-Lycoming.html)

Follow me on Twitter at twitter.com/Mitch_Rupert if you're interested in Lyco updates. Look forward to interacting with everyone.

Mitch Rupert
Williamsport Sun-Gazette

Mitch,

Thanks for the note and the good articles.  Long-time supporter here and sometime poster.  Usually get to a couple of games during the season.  I hope we have a chance to meet - I usually sport either a Yankee hat or a Navy ball cap.  One is a passion - the other a position.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 01, 2012, 09:41:59 AM
As a Doylestown resident, I am looking forward to a great season from the Aggies. It has been one heckuva decade. From what I've seen in the scrimmages and what I hear from my "insiders", the Aggies have some very talented freshmen who will really help out when the season is a couple of games old. If the defense can hold it's own and the offensive line can protect Wilmer, they should be right there with Widener and Lyco at the end of the year.

They've got a couple of kids on campus who can't/won't play until 2013. They would have been huge difference makers. But that can wait until next year. We're ll anxiously awaiting the groundbreaking of the new science building, the achievement of university status and the final renderings of a beautiful athletic complex. Fundraising has been quite successful.

Good luck to all the teams this year!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 01, 2012, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 01, 2012, 09:41:59 AM
As a Doylestown resident, I am looking forward to a great season from the Aggies. It has been one heckuva decade. From what I've seen in the scrimmages and what I hear from my "insiders", the Aggies have some very talented freshmen who will really help out when the season is a couple of games old. If the defense can hold it's own and the offensive line can protect Wilmer, they should be right there with Widener and Lyco at the end of the year.

They've got a couple of kids on campus who can't/won't play until 2013. They would have been huge difference makers. But that can wait until next year. We're ll anxiously awaiting the groundbreaking of the new science building, the achievement of university status and the final renderings of a beautiful athletic complex. Fundraising has been quite successful.

Good luck to all the teams this year!!

Well said JMC....campus is really looking nice. Acreage wise they have so much that they can do with it is limitless. My daughter has it in her final list of colleges as she is a pre-vet major.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 01, 2012, 12:08:11 PM
Stevenson starts it's second season tonight against Shenandoah at home... game time is at 7:00 PM.

Join me and my broadcast partner Ken McKelphin starting at 6:40 PM. You can watch the game online here (http://www.gomustangsports.com/links/xlrkwq). You can also listen here (http://www.gomustangsports.com/links/ocw86j).

Good luck to all teams this season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 01, 2012, 01:24:28 PM
TOUCHDOWN DVC! Up 6-0 in 2nd qtr... PAT blocked...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 01, 2012, 02:09:45 PM
Penalties are killing Del Val - at the half, Rowan 14/DVC 6.  Come ON AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 01, 2012, 03:41:15 PM
Rowan is a force to be reckoned with - but those dang penalties (& lack of penalties called against the Profs) won the game for them - now, i hope they win the NJAC!  Take care of Lyco for our first MAC win, Aggies!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 01, 2012, 04:44:31 PM
Lycoming now permits live streaming so you can watch the game - pity there is no voice-over to accompany the video.  That said, I watched the game and the boys never could get going.  Brockport was also throwing bombs down field with the game well in hand late in the 4th quarter.  Not sure what all or any of this means.

The guys gave a scrimmage output for an opening day event - pity.

Now Del Val is next and they will be spoiling for a win after losing to Rowan.

Talk about digging a whole for yourself - 1-0 looks much better.  That will have to wait until next season.

Anyone out there see the game in person?

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 01, 2012, 05:52:06 PM
was at the Rowan game and Del Val was outplayed.  Rowan's d dominated the game, keeping Wilmer from running around and making too many plays.  The personal foul penalties did hurt them which was unusual for Del Val, they are usually very disciplined.  was surprised by the offensive concept, thought they would have the QB rolling out much more than they did, kept him in the pocket, may have to credit Rowan's front 7 for some of that.  The fumble return for the TD was the back breaker.  good luck the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 02, 2012, 10:54:25 AM
Nice wins for Lebanon Valley, Widener, Wilkes and Albright - onward & upward MAC!  Please take care of home turf next Saturday, Aggies!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 08, 2012, 09:46:18 AM
Gordon, will you be calling the Aggie/Lyco game this afternoon?  It's Hall of Fame Day at the half, & we hope to be there to see Kristen Henry be inducted!   It's been raining all week - can't the storms hold off until after midnight today?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on September 08, 2012, 05:11:23 PM
To fans of D-3 football everywhere.  I am honored to have been asked to spread the word regarding a new cancer fund that has been established to help Tom Pattison, UW-W sports broadcaster and founder of www.warhawkfootball.com    I and my family know, all to well, how a cancer diagnosis can be devastating to a families daily lives and finances. Please, consider making even the smallest donation to Tom.

The following is an open letter by Retired UW-W Coach Bob Berezowitz:

Team Tom Cancer Fund Drive established

Once a Warhawk, always a Warhawk are the often spoken words by Tom Pattison, longtime "voice" of the Warhawks. Over the many years of broadcasting UW-Whitewater football, basketball and baseball games on KOOL 106.5 (and prior to that (940 WFAW), Tom has "bled purple" during each one of his broadcasts.

Unfortunately, on May 28, 2012 Tom was diagnosed with advanced stage 2 colon cancer. He underwent colorectal cancer surgery in Fort Atkinson and in the process has developed astronomical hospital and medical bills.

Tom has already gone through the first phase of radiation treatment at the UW Cancer Clinic along with chemotherapy with phase two starting later this month.

Tom has given his heart and soul to Warhawk athletics over his 25 years of living here in southern Wisconsin. He served six years as the president of the UW-Whitewater Quarterback Club and still serves on the club's board of directors.

In 2003 Tom founded Warhawkfootball.com where Warhawk fans, players, former players and parents have been able to view up-to-date Warhawk football news and information 365 days a year. Nearly 1.5 million visitors have clicked onto the Website over the years.

The Website that has been funded entirely by Tom has been a popular "voice" for Warhawk football fans not only locally but around the world.

Well now Tom needs your assistance in his battle with cancer.

With the help and leadership of UW-Whitewater Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Dr. Paul Plinke and former Warhawk football coach Bob Berezowitz and KOOL 106.5 Radio a team has been set up to lead a campaign to raise funds for Tom.

The "Team Tom Cancer Fund" has been established through Commercial Bank in Whitewater and is now accepting donations.

Donations may be sent to: Team Tom Cancer Fund, c/o Commercial Bank, 200 South Freemont St. Whitewater, WI 53190


The fund raising drive will also include Tom Pattison Day at Perkins Stadium on Oct. 6, 2012. More details will be announced shortly.

"I have known Tom for many years while coaching and now in retirement," Berezowitz said. "There is not another person who has given more of himself to help promote UW-Whitewater football. He is always writing articles for both past and present players that are published on his Website.

It is now our turn to say "thank you" for his efforts by considering making a donation to the to assist Tom in his time of need.

Go Warhawks,
Bob Berezowitz
UW-Whitewater Football Coach/Retired
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 09, 2012, 01:13:21 AM
Wow - what a game and what an upset today! 

I had a hunch the Aggies might be ripe for an upset so we loaded up the family and drove up to Doylestown, PA from Arlington, VA to watch the Warriors take on Del Val. 

Things started well with Lycoming moving the ball but the first drive was interrupted by a fumble and a quick score and it initially appeared things would not go the Warriors way but things slowly turned around for the lads from Williamsport. 

The game ended just about the time the skies opened up and as we drove away the entire DVC team was being addressed in the middle of the field by the coaching staff as the deluge arrived.  Even my ten year old daughter knew that was not good.

DVC might be the more talented team on paper but the Warriors were the victors today.

A personal salute to Coach Clark and Wiser for keeping the lads disciplined and focused all day - a true test of leadership. 

One other note:  the officials seemed to be intent on being intrusive as there was laundry on the field much of the day.

This win means the MAC is wide open this year - it will be interesting to see how DVC moves forward and what next week will portend for the Warriors who host the other valley school.

Go Warriors!

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 09, 2012, 08:34:05 AM
When did DVC last begin the season 0-2?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Upstate on September 09, 2012, 08:47:28 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 09, 2012, 08:34:05 AM
When did DVC last begin the season 0-2?

2007, they went 0-3 to start the year.

However it was versus much tougher competition (Iona, Wesley, Salisbury).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 10, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
In an attempt to get this board a bit more lively, here are some links of interest from the Stevenson-Albright game:

First off, my D3report from the game: www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qNRr1howY&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qNRr1howY&feature=plcp)
Secondly, video of the 47 year field goal for Albright to tie the game at the end of the 4th quarter: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rzDrmf5ejE&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rzDrmf5ejE&feature=plcp)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LANES on September 10, 2012, 07:09:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 10, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
In an attempt to get this board a bit more lively, here are some links of interest from the Stevenson-Albright game:

First off, my D3report from the game: www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qNRr1howY&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qNRr1howY&feature=plcp)
Secondly, video of the 47 year field goal for Albright to tie the game at the end of the 4th quarter: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rzDrmf5ejE&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rzDrmf5ejE&feature=plcp)

Enjoy!


Thanks Dave for the great recap.  Throw some highlights in next time for good measure.  We appreciate your efforts and hopefully Albright will keep up the good efforts, looks like they have had to overcome alot in the past two games to pull out the wins.  Good job Boys!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2012, 07:11:57 PM
Lanes -- the purpose of the D3report is just a quick postgame discussion, no highlights. We want fans to do these, so we don't want to ask them to include things they don't have access to.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HSCTiger74 on September 10, 2012, 08:33:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 10, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
In an attempt to get this board a bit more lively, here are some links of interest from the Stevenson-Albright game:

First off, my D3report from the game: www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qNRr1howY&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qNRr1howY&feature=plcp)
Secondly, video of the 47 year field goal for Albright to tie the game at the end of the 4th quarter: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rzDrmf5ejE&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rzDrmf5ejE&feature=plcp)

Enjoy!

Now that's some serious hang time.    :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 11, 2012, 10:54:01 AM
Heck... the way he kicked it... it could have had that kind of hang time! :) Yeah... yards... duh! :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 13, 2012, 07:01:07 PM
Not sure if the board is dormant or in hibernation or expired - hard to say.  I understand the silence of the Rams but wonder about the rest of the MAC.

In years past there was more than a handful of posters from Widener, Wilkes, LVC and even Albright - but now shhhhhh.

Guess folks must still be finishing up late summer yard projects.

Hard to have a chat by yourself.

Impressive Albright FG - thanks for the video clip.

Hope the Warriors can win at home this weekend - be sort of nice to see them get on a roll against the MAC.

Trust the rest of the MAC gang is well - nothing from my shipmate buddy Knight Stalker, or PBR, Gordon Mann or even Kate.

This week we have been invited to watch the Warriors in the President's box - swanky - hope they have barca-loungers!

Go Warriors!

ATB

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2012, 01:14:19 PM
Silence of the Rams.  I like that. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 14, 2012, 01:28:41 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 14, 2012, 01:14:19 PM
Silence of the Rams.  I like that. :)

I thought the same thing.  Great one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 14, 2012, 05:48:51 PM
Hello Lyco 80!  "Even Kate", oh well, believe it or not we were there at the DVC/Lyco game.  Congratulations to the Warriors!  We had wanted to see the half time ceremony, then we left after that.  There was some crazy weather on our way back to Easton, however we saw our friends & that made it worthwhile.   Good luck to all our MAC teams this season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 14, 2012, 09:53:44 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on September 13, 2012, 07:01:07 PM
Not sure if the board is dormant or in hibernation or expired - hard to say.  I understand the silence of the Rams but wonder about the rest of the MAC.

In years past there was more than a handful of posters from Widener, Wilkes, LVC and even Albright - but now shhhhhh.

Guess folks must still be finishing up late summer yard projects.

Hard to have a chat by yourself.

Impressive Albright FG - thanks for the video clip.

Hope the Warriors can win at home this weekend - be sort of nice to see them get on a roll against the MAC.

Trust the rest of the MAC gang is well - nothing from my shipmate buddy Knight Stalker, or PBR, Gordon Mann or even Kate.

This week we have been invited to watch the Warriors in the President's box - swanky - hope they have barca-loungers!

Go Warriors!

ATB



Only for you, my classmate and former Warrior, Lyco80, will Simba come out of hibernation...Hope all is well with you and your family...As always, thank you for your service to our Country and have a great time at Lyco!...Tell the soon to retire Prez that Simba said "What up?"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 14, 2012, 10:42:45 PM
Congrats to Coach Surace and FDU tonight - winners over Kings 30-14...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 16, 2012, 06:27:34 AM
Simba,

You were missed in the box and mentioned by name - just so you know.  What an awesome view and way to watch football!  The lads did not disappoint but played a spirited LVC team that kept fighting right until the end.  Their starting QB was injured early in the first half and that forced them out of a passing game plan into a more wildcat formation.  To his credit, he returned and that gave them a certain spark.  The Warriors controlled the tempo most of the day but the Flying Dutchmen refused to go away.

They can give the rest of the MAC fits and probably will.

As for the Warriors - they seem to be on a roll but there is still a lot of season left and who knows what will happen.

The play of the game was a very late interception where the DB nearly did a complete turn around to end the Dutchmen's chances - it was worthy of ESPN it was that unbelievable.

On to Albright and Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 17, 2012, 03:35:58 PM
D3report from Delaware Valley-Stevenson game, for those who are interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p6sgfB9bMI&feature=BFa&list=PL2O_uY7lJEsIzK-zTOUdYScREdV6bOk60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p6sgfB9bMI&feature=BFa&list=PL2O_uY7lJEsIzK-zTOUdYScREdV6bOk60)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DelcoD3 on September 21, 2012, 02:50:05 PM
Pretty quiet on the MAC board this year. Pretty good start to the year for the Warriors, especially when you look at the early schedule and the fact they are starting a new sophomore QB this season. The opening loss to Brockport doesn't look so bad now considering how they have played (but it was an ugly game for Lyco).  Another tough one at Albright, but if they can get through this they put themselves in pretty good shape to challenge for the MAC title.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 21, 2012, 04:03:50 PM
Lanes

Any "inside" info on the Lions for tomorrow?...Is Baseball Town USA ready for some football?...My HS plays Reading HS at Shirk tonight and my Warriors as you know are there tomorrow afternoon...Pretzel Bowl?...Fez Bowl?...Homecoming?...What's going down?...Close down the Outlets Lanes, the Warriors are (Ly)coming to town!!!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 22, 2012, 11:51:42 AM
Lebanon Valley at Stevenson today. 1 PM kickoff... here is where you can catch the action:

Stevenson Video here (http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/stevenson.portal#).
Stevenson Audio (which is also on the video) here (http://player.netromedia.com/?ID=4be1df56-fd69-4a92-90f1-fb6e12f8d505).
Stevenson Live Stats here (http://livestats.prestosports.com/stevenson/).
Lebanon Valley audio here (http://www.wmssfm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=56).

I also will be tweeting when I can during the game (@davemchugh (http://www.twitter.com/davemchugh)) or follow the hashtags #SUMustangs #lvcfb and of course #d3fb.

Enjoy!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 22, 2012, 03:27:27 PM
Gordon Mann's audio from the Aggie/FDU game has been totally lost.   The feed was really poor from the start with all kinds of over sound bites and ads competing with Gordon's call of the game.  The good news, when the feed was lost it was Del Val 45, FDU 3.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 22, 2012, 04:08:28 PM
As if Delaware Valley over FDU by 60 points isn't bad enough, what on earth are we to make of Widener over Wilkes by 90 points?

I hate to see teams doing this to each other, no matter the "explanation" or the "justification." These two scores present a very ugly picture of collegiate athletics.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on September 22, 2012, 05:39:58 PM
90?  Is that the correct score?  90?  That is the must unbelievable score I have ever seen.  Is Wilkes that bad?  How can the Widener coach even let that happen?

WOW!  90?????????
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 22, 2012, 05:41:59 PM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on September 22, 2012, 05:39:58 PM
90?  Is that the correct score?  90?  That is the must unbelievable score I have ever seen.  Is Wilkes that bad?  How can the Widener coach even let that happen?

WOW!  90?????????

That's what I was wondering!  Please tell me it should be 9-0.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 22, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: pg04 on September 22, 2012, 05:41:59 PM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on September 22, 2012, 05:39:58 PM
90?  Is that the correct score?  90?  That is the must unbelievable score I have ever seen.  Is Wilkes that bad?  How can the Widener coach even let that happen?

WOW!  90?????????

That's what I was wondering!  Please tell me it should be 9-0.

It is true! ...

http://widenerpride.com/custompages/12football/wilkesfb.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 22, 2012, 06:12:32 PM
Widener also apparently scored a TD on their final drive.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2012, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 22, 2012, 06:12:32 PM
Widener also apparently scored a TD on their final drive.

No need to settle for apparently when we have the box score. They did, although it was a short field.

http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2012/boxscores/20120922_zwxy.xml
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bombers798891 on September 22, 2012, 06:28:18 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 22, 2012, 04:08:28 PM
As if Delaware Valley over FDU by 60 points isn't bad enough, what on earth are we to make of Widener over Wilkes by 90 points?

I hate to see teams doing this to each other, no matter the "explanation" or the "justification." These two scores present a very ugly picture of collegiate athletics.

I've been harping on this on the E8 board, but teams wait way too long to pull their starters in these types of games. Throwing the ball with your starting quarterback up 56-0? Give me a break.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 22, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
I would drop widener in the poll just for doing that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bombers798891 on September 22, 2012, 06:35:24 PM
And this 2-pt. conversion attempt up 62-0...please tell me that was the result of a bad snap or something. If they went for a traditional two-point conversion up by nine touchdowns...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 22, 2012, 06:38:16 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 22, 2012, 06:35:24 PM
And this 2-pt. conversion attempt up 62-0...please tell me that was the result of a bad snap or something. If they went for a traditional two-point conversion up by nine touchdowns...
.

Maybe there is another story here we are missing with this game? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 22, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 22, 2012, 06:35:24 PM
And this 2-pt. conversion attempt up 62-0...please tell me that was the result of a bad snap or something. If they went for a traditional two-point conversion up by nine touchdowns...

I think it has to be a botch. The guy credited with the run is a safety. He's probably the holder.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 22, 2012, 06:51:56 PM
One hopes that on some Saturday there will be a day of reckoning for both Delaware Valley and Widener ....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 22, 2012, 06:52:03 PM
dlip will tell you what, he went from being a Widener hopeful to an ardent non-supporter. He just miraculously turned into a HUGE Leb Valley fan for next week.

If dlip was Leb Val's coach he would suit these guys up for next week's game: (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_HwJzSfgq04U%2FTOr6wtVosyI%2FAAAAAAAAAWA%2FGQolx7GlKyQ%2Fs640%2Fhanson%2Bbrother%2Bfoil.jpg&hash=806f2926c7d3e2819bccd7ed4fc1b277cdfcac99)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 22, 2012, 07:27:50 PM
I would not lump the two programs together. It appears that del-val pulled  its starters after the first series of the second half. Also they only ran the ball the entire fourth quarter. At some point there is only so much you can do. However, in the case of Widener, I agree. I add that I am not only disgusted but ashamed with my former program. I have read alumni letters written by the coaching staff using words like honor class and character. Not really sure that WU showed any of that on the field today. Almost makes this former player want to see them lose. Hey you know what they say about karma and pay backs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 22, 2012, 07:51:08 PM
QuoteGordon Mann's audio from the Aggie/FDU game has been totally lost.   The feed was really poor from the start with all kinds of over sound bites and ads competing with Gordon's call of the game.  The good news, when the feed was lost it was Del Val 45, FDU 3.

Sorry for the technical problems that marred today's broadcast. The internet stopped working during the second half at least once.  That rarely happens at the football stadium, but it did today for some reason.  That's beyond my control.

The problems with ads and highlights playing during the broadcast is something I can fix. I thought I had it fixed after it happened last week at Stevenson, but apparently not.  The frustrating part is that problem is completely undetectable to me during the broadcast.  I don't hear the spots.  I don't see their audio on the meter.  But apparently they are running.

Such are the perils of doing a broadcast completely by yourself with no technical support or color guy.  I'll get back on the horse next week.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bombers798891 on September 22, 2012, 07:57:01 PM
Quote from: pg04 on September 22, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 22, 2012, 06:35:24 PM
And this 2-pt. conversion attempt up 62-0...please tell me that was the result of a bad snap or something. If they went for a traditional two-point conversion up by nine touchdowns...

I think it has to be a botch. The guy credited with the run is a safety. He's probably the holder.

Good to know
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 22, 2012, 08:03:57 PM
QuoteAs if Delaware Valley over FDU by 60 points isn't bad enough...

QuoteOne hopes that on some Saturday there will be a day of reckoning for both Delaware Valley and Widener ....

I'm not an unbiased observer, but I don't think Del Val ran up the score intentionally.  The starters played one series in the second half and it ended in a turnover.  The Aggies rarely thew the ball in the second half with the reserves in the game. They ran a very conservative offense with no misdirection or strange formations.  Just handing the ball off to the running back.

At one point the fifth running back on Del Val's depth chart took a simple hand off for 52 yards. Another score followed FDU fumbling deep in their own territory. Take a look at the player participation for Del Val and the play calling.

It would've helped if FDU-Florham ran a more varied offense.  They threw the ball 2 times in the entire second half, none in the fourth quarter.  At one point they handed the ball off 8 times in row to the same kid who finished with 20 yards.  He had 13 carries in 16 plays at one point. 

I can't say why FDU became incredibly one dimensional after moving the ball in the first half.  They were able to throw on Del Val's defense.  But if you decide to run every play for someone who is averaging less than two yards per carry, the other team is going to get the ball a lot.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 22, 2012, 08:11:59 PM
Gordon, thanks for the feed explanation, but a huge thanks for the reason behind the final Aggie score!  Didn't know the particulars, myself, since the feed was gone, but heard enough to know that they had removed their starters after that first play of the second half.  I include myself when i say one should never jump to conclusions - still say a fervent, GO AGGIES!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 22, 2012, 08:15:03 PM
Based on all accounts PBR would not lump the DVC performance and Widener performance together at all today. Was away at my kid's soccer tourney and wanted to wait until I saw what really happened before making a judgement like some did on here. Not sure how I look the Wilkes coach in the face and shake his hand if I am the Widener coach after the game today. Total bush league and completely classless IMHO....If people at the game can defend them then fine will be glad to hear it. But to this fan of sports in general there is not 1 single reason to run up a score like that. I don't care whether it's soccer/football/basketall/etc... Widener's administration should have something to say to that coach. Maybe I am over reacting but I can't find any reason to justify running the score up to 90 including throwing the ball that late in the game being up by that kind of score. Let Karma reach out for Widener this year....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on September 22, 2012, 08:20:45 PM
Wilkes had to have turnovers or turnovers on downs early in the game. I was shock myself with the final score. I know last year when Salisbury was putting up big numbers, I can at least say we were running ball (unless you consider a pitch a pass). But hey, we need the East to continue making statements so that our #1 and #2 seed could have some pull when playoffs come around.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 22, 2012, 08:29:19 PM
Well, I suppose there is no better time than after a 90-point loss for a Wilkes fan to make his first appearance of the year on the board... :-[

Honestly, I still don't have any details as to how the game in Chester played out. I have seen many people, at all levels of football, complain about running up the score, so I have always tried to give the winning team in a blowout the benefit of the doubt. You can't put in players on the bottom of the depth chart and tell them not to play hard, as I believe Gordon illustrates with that fifth-string Del Val running back.

But 90-0? If anyone can fill me in on how this played out who was there in person, please do. I saw Wilkes open at home against Albright last week, and while this may not be the most complete team the Colonels have put on the field in recent seasons, I would certainly not expect them to get beat by that margin. I can understand Widener wanting to avenge their loss at Schmidt Stadium last season, but that doesn't justify playing the first-string deep into the second half, as some of the other posters seem to have alluded to.

In my years with the Colonels, from 2004 through 2007, we had four great games with the Pioneers/Pride. They were always some of the most intense games the Colonels played, but there was always class and sportsmanship from the Widener folk during the game, and after the contests. Hopefully, for the sake of the Pride and the MAC overall,  that spirit of competitiveness did not leave town in Chester when the most recent coaching change took place.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 22, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
Quote from: SUADC on September 22, 2012, 08:20:45 PM
Wilkes had to have turnovers or turnovers on downs early in the game. I was shock myself with the final score. I know last year when Salisbury was putting up big numbers, I can at least say we were running ball (unless you consider a pitch a pass). But hey, we need the East to continue making statements so that our #1 and #2 seed could have some pull when playoffs come around.

Quick research will show It was only 7-0 after 1, and 35-0 at the half. 65 of the points came in the 2nd half (27 and 28 for 3rd and 4th)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on September 22, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: pg04 on September 22, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
Quote from: SUADC on September 22, 2012, 08:20:45 PM
Wilkes had to have turnovers or turnovers on downs early in the game. I was shock myself with the final score. I know last year when Salisbury was putting up big numbers, I can at least say we were running ball (unless you consider a pitch a pass). But hey, we need the East to continue making statements so that our #1 and #2 seed could have some pull when playoffs come around.

Quick research will show It was only 7-0 after 1, and 35-0 at the half. 65 of the points came in the 2nd half (27 and 28 for 3rd and 4th)

Yeah, just checked it. I really don't know what to say to that. I guess football is football, regardless if you consider it classy or not. It would just make future games more intense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 22, 2012, 08:57:24 PM
Ooops, apparently my degree in math didn't help me see that they scored 55 not 65 in the second half.  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 23, 2012, 10:50:31 AM
The Widener at Lebanon Valley game next Saturday should be VERY interesting  ;).    Of course the most important game for me will be Albright at Del Val (Homecoming)!   Good luck to the Aggies!  Also, while i'm on here, Gordon Mann does an exceptional job with the play by play of the DVC games!  Thank you, Gordon!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 24, 2012, 10:35:36 AM
Thanks, Kate.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 24, 2012, 12:24:10 PM
Gordon... I think she is kissing up to you... or is a good friend  ;)... kidding aside... Gordon always does a good job in every sport he calls.

FYI MAC fans... Widener-Wilkes game garners some chat from Pat Coleman and Keith McMillian in the weekly D3football.com Podcast: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2012/09/24/atn-podcast-past-performance-not-indicative/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2012/09/24/atn-podcast-past-performance-not-indicative/)

Also, highlights from the LVC-Stevenson game, along with my D3report from the game, are available here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pIvA-FLUxFg&list=PL2O_uY7lJEsLEsp3p2lxpDbHhf7JMK88q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pIvA-FLUxFg&list=PL2O_uY7lJEsLEsp3p2lxpDbHhf7JMK88q)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 24, 2012, 05:45:38 PM
Dave, would you believe i've never met Gordon!   Just a rabid Aggie fan here, who on magnificent fall afternoons stays huddled over her computer to listen to DelVal football.  Good you don't know me from the women's basketball season  ;), boy i make the football postings look down right lame.   Cheer unashamedly for ALL Aggie sports.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 24, 2012, 06:38:08 PM
No... I do know you from basketball season... just having fun with Gordon :).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 25, 2012, 03:36:54 PM
In case you missed it, here is the hook-and-ladder (lateral?) play from the LVC-Stevenson game that was a D3football.com Play of the Week finalist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl3QKqOMEK4&list=PL2O_uY7lJEsKn7dlu90DV6qAVYnQrpKhG&index=3&feature=plpp_video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl3QKqOMEK4&list=PL2O_uY7lJEsKn7dlu90DV6qAVYnQrpKhG&index=3&feature=plpp_video)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: TheGrove on September 25, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
Not defending Widener here... but for some perspective, perhaps, here's what a Widener JV player's dad said to someone who gave him grief about the 90-0 score on Facebook:

"Short of taking a knee in the 3rd Quarter, I'm not sure what else they could do. All subs in the 2nd half. Part of the problem is the NCAA rule disallowing players who participate in even one play from playing in the JV Game the following Sunday or Monday. Widener could have cleared their bench, but would have had to forfeit Sunday's JV Game........ so the third and fourth string never got in."

I don't know, I think the opportunity to play a half of varsity football might make up for the forfeiting a JV game, but I'm not a football player/coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 25, 2012, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 25, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
Not defending Widener here... but for some perspective, perhaps, here's what a Widener JV player's dad said to someone who gave him grief about the 90-0 score on Facebook:

"Short of taking a knee in the 3rd Quarter, I'm not sure what else they could do. All subs in the 2nd half. Part of the problem is the NCAA rule disallowing players who participate in even one play from playing in the JV Game the following Sunday or Monday. Widener could have cleared their bench, but would have had to forfeit Sunday's JV Game........ so the third and fourth string never got in."

I don't know, I think the opportunity to play a half of varsity football might make up for the forfeiting a JV game, but I'm not a football player/coach.

I don't really have a problem with running up the score.(on purpose or not)  In a D3 format, you need to get noticed.  Maybe it's in poor taste, maybe not.  Maybe Wilkes should put out a better product. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Upstate on September 25, 2012, 04:30:40 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 25, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
Not defending Widener here... but for some perspective, perhaps, here's what a Widener JV player's dad said to someone who gave him grief about the 90-0 score on Facebook:

"Short of taking a knee in the 3rd Quarter, I'm not sure what else they could do. All subs in the 2nd half. Part of the problem is the NCAA rule disallowing players who participate in even one play from playing in the JV Game the following Sunday or Monday. Widener could have cleared their bench, but would have had to forfeit Sunday's JV Game........ so the third and fourth string never got in."

I don't know, I think the opportunity to play a half of varsity football might make up for the forfeiting a JV game, but I'm not a football player/coach.

If it was all subs in the 2nd half how did their starting QB toss two TDs in the 3rd quarter?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 25, 2012, 05:21:48 PM
It wasn't really the starter. It was the ****in waterboy wearing his Jersey.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 25, 2012, 10:53:46 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 25, 2012, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 25, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
Not defending Widener here... but for some perspective, perhaps, here's what a Widener JV player's dad said to someone who gave him grief about the 90-0 score on Facebook:

"Short of taking a knee in the 3rd Quarter, I'm not sure what else they could do. All subs in the 2nd half. Part of the problem is the NCAA rule disallowing players who participate in even one play from playing in the JV Game the following Sunday or Monday. Widener could have cleared their bench, but would have had to forfeit Sunday's JV Game........ so the third and fourth string never got in."

I don't know, I think the opportunity to play a half of varsity football might make up for the forfeiting a JV game, but I'm not a football player/coach.

I don't really have a problem with running up the score.(on purpose or not)  In a D3 format, you need to get noticed.  Maybe it's in poor taste, maybe not.  Maybe Wilkes should put out a better product.

Just as an FYI, the "product" that Coach Sheptock has put on the field in the last decade owns a 7-3 record against Widener since the 2003 season, when I first started following football at Wilkes. That includes the 3-1 record the Colonels posted over the Pioneers/Pride (the name change took place in my junior year) in my years working with the program, from 2004-2007, with two of those three victories coming in Quick Stadum  :P The programs have also each won the same number of MAC titles (one) during that span.

If you are worried about Widener getting noticed, the program owns two NCAA championships, and countless all-American and all-MAC picks from over the years. I think if you looked at D3 football as a marketing exercise, the Pride may have the biggest brand value (no disrespect, Lyco fans) in the current MAC landscape. That's what makes the wins (yes, there will be more of the from the Colonels in the future) over Widener so special...it's beating the history and prestige that comes with the name. So when Widener shows up on the D3 playoff radar, the committee notices. It's much different from a case like DVC circa 2004, where a program is making a name for itself on the national stage.

Lastly, when I was working with Wilkes, the Pioneers had over 150 guys on the roster, and would dress over 100 for home games...lots of duplicate numbers  ;) Can anyone really say they don't have enough guys in the program to sub everyone out and still play the JV game?

C'MON MAN!!!   :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 26, 2012, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 25, 2012, 10:53:46 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 25, 2012, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: TheGrove on September 25, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
Not defending Widener here... but for some perspective, perhaps, here's what a Widener JV player's dad said to someone who gave him grief about the 90-0 score on Facebook:

"Short of taking a knee in the 3rd Quarter, I'm not sure what else they could do. All subs in the 2nd half. Part of the problem is the NCAA rule disallowing players who participate in even one play from playing in the JV Game the following Sunday or Monday. Widener could have cleared their bench, but would have had to forfeit Sunday's JV Game........ so the third and fourth string never got in."

I don't know, I think the opportunity to play a half of varsity football might make up for the forfeiting a JV game, but I'm not a football player/coach.

I don't really have a problem with running up the score.(on purpose or not)  In a D3 format, you need to get noticed.  Maybe it's in poor taste, maybe not.  Maybe Wilkes should put out a better product.

Just as an FYI, the "product" that Coach Sheptock has put on the field in the last decade owns a 7-3 record against Widener since the 2003 season, when I first started following football at Wilkes. That includes the 3-1 record the Colonels posted over the Pioneers/Pride (the name change took place in my junior year) in my years working with the program, from 2004-2007, with two of those three victories coming in Quick Stadum  :P The programs have also each won the same number of MAC titles (one) during that span.

If you are worried about Widener getting noticed, the program owns two NCAA championships, and countless all-American and all-MAC picks from over the years. I think if you looked at D3 football as a marketing exercise, the Pride may have the biggest brand value (no disrespect, Lyco fans) in the current MAC landscape. That's what makes the wins (yes, there will be more of the from the Colonels in the future) over Widener so special...it's beating the history and prestige that comes with the name. So when Widener shows up on the D3 playoff radar, the committee notices. It's much different from a case like DVC circa 2004, where a program is making a name for itself on the national stage.

Lastly, when I was working with Wilkes, the Pioneers had over 150 guys on the roster, and would dress over 100 for home games...lots of duplicate numbers  ;) Can anyone really say they don't have enough guys in the program to sub everyone out and still play the JV game?

C'MON MAN!!!   :o

Exactly I would give Widener a pass if they were just running the football and Wilkes wasn't good/strong enough to stop it. But when your up by that much and still throwing the football, to me that is blatant disrespect. It's not like Wilkes has done anything historically to Widener to make Widener want to shove it up their rear ends. Like I said earlier for me if I was on Widener's administration there would of been a meeting 8am monday morning with the football coach. These schools compete on the field but sometimes work together off. What do you gain by embarassing someone like that? Why rub their noses in it and keep passing? I still don't know how the Widener coach looked him in the eyes after the game and said "good game coach...". Lucky he didn't get a right cross....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 26, 2012, 07:55:00 AM
That was quite a write-up on Wilkes and it doesn't look like their team is as bad as a team who just lost 90-0.  But they just lost 90-0.  90 points!!!  If you're going to tell me, even with JV's on the field that the product was there to play football last week, you're lying.  90 points.  I don't care if they are playing the Packers.  90 points is a lot.  Widener scored 4 touchdowns in 3 quarters!!!!  That's near impossible.  People give me the 'short field' excuse...They were given the ball short field.  This isn't just about Widener's offense and Wilkes' defense.  It's also how bad Wilkes was on offense. 

And you can say what you want about how 'noticed' Widener is but the only team noticed in that conference to this point in the season is Delaware Valley because of success in recent years.  People remember Widener from 10-12 years ago and Lyco from back in the day, but they've been mediocre since then.  I think this is a way to get people to associate this team with those nasty teams from the early 2000s.  Maybe they think they are that good and they want someone to catch on before November.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 26, 2012, 11:51:31 AM
All of DIII has now "noticed" Widener.

For whatever reason, they apparently decided that winning by 90 points was worthwhile. However, they might some day have cause to reconsider that decision, especially since humiliating a fellow MAC team isn't like demolishing some cupcake in a pre-season scrimmage.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 26, 2012, 02:06:43 PM
My first reaction to that score was excitement, but I agree with you Warren...embarrasing a long time league member is not the right thing to do...There are lots of ways to call the dogs off, once you get to a certain point...
Not the most classy move by my alma mater.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on September 26, 2012, 02:25:08 PM
My parents are Wilkes alums. He happened to be visiting me last weekend when I relayed the score. He went into a bit of shock and then shrugged. In the end, his response is this stuff tends to be cyclical and in 5 or 10 years Wilkes will have a good team, Widener will be down, and hopefully Wilkes will put up 65 before kneeling down. Of course, he went on to say that he will donate to Wilkes to send that inevitable game tape to every contested recruit for the next 10 years...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 26, 2012, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 26, 2012, 02:25:08 PM
My parents are Wilkes alums. He happened to be visiting me last weekend when I relayed the score. He went into a bit of shock and then shrugged. In the end, his response is this stuff tends to be cyclical and in 5 or 10 years Wilkes will have a good team, Widener will be down, and hopefully Wilkes will put up 65 before kneeling down. Of course, he went on to say that he will donate to Wilkes to send that inevitable game tape to every contested recruit for the next 10 years...

You mean put up 165.  65 is nothin in this new rivalry.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 26, 2012, 06:32:02 PM
As the season begun dlip was hoping for Widener's continued success and hoping they would be a very good east region team. Now, to be honest, dlip is a ****ing huge Leb Val fan come Saturday...

dlip would like nothing more than to stand over Widener as they wake up Sunday morning and say (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft2.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcRiW9LJiJF5i9zAEDvQjhe-DFt68coO3O3DVLFPiHXWWDTJJE7TNRBFVAP_qQ&hash=2407cf1991f822e4e5024ab97c06e487972f95f6)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 26, 2012, 09:09:45 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 26, 2012, 07:55:00 AM
That was quite a write-up on Wilkes and it doesn't look like their team is as bad as a team who just lost 90-0.  But they just lost 90-0.  90 points!!!  If you're going to tell me, even with JV's on the field that the product was there to play football last week, you're lying.  90 points.  I don't care if they are playing the Packers.  90 points is a lot.  Widener scored 4 touchdowns in 3 quarters!!!!  That's near impossible.  People give me the 'short field' excuse...They were given the ball short field.  This isn't just about Widener's offense and Wilkes' defense.  It's also how bad Wilkes was on offense. 

And you can say what you want about how 'noticed' Widener is but the only team noticed in that conference to this point in the season is Delaware Valley because of success in recent years.  People remember Widener from 10-12 years ago and Lyco from back in the day, but they've been mediocre since then.  I think this is a way to get people to associate this team with those nasty teams from the early 2000s.  Maybe they think they are that good and they want someone to catch on before November.

Thanks for the write-up compliment  :D It comes from a few years as a newspaper writer, starting with some time on the staff of The Beacon. It also evolved a few years later into a Formula 1-themed blog at the daily newspaper I was working for at the time...any Alonso or Hamilton fans out there?  8-)

When a team gets beat by a score of 90-0, I don't think anyone would dispute that it had a bad day on both offense and defense. The were a few bright spots, such as a first-half INT of Haupt, and the offense producing it's first 100-yard rusher on the year. It will take more bight spots like that to put together some MAC wins, and there is no question the staff and players at Wilkes realize that, hopefully putting it into action against FDU this weekend.

My observations on Widener's national reputation stems from my time working with the Colonels in a support role, from 2004-2007. Widener (and Lycoming) still carried plenty of name recognition then; perhaps the picture has changed a bit with so much success from DVC, and that nice playoff run from Albright. But I would still say that the past success makes the Pride a big-ticket item when they start to win in any given year.

As for the Widener-LVC game this weekend, I can't help but remember back to fall 2004, chilling out before practice with the game tape from the LVC-Widener contest that was played (in a monsoon-style rainstorm, on the old grass at Quick Stadium) the previous Saturday.

Final score from Chester: LVC 3, Widener 0.

Any given Saturday, my friends  8-)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 26, 2012, 09:53:41 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 26, 2012, 09:09:45 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 26, 2012, 07:55:00 AM
That was quite a write-up on Wilkes and it doesn't look like their team is as bad as a team who just lost 90-0.  But they just lost 90-0.  90 points!!!  If you're going to tell me, even with JV's on the field that the product was there to play football last week, you're lying.  90 points.  I don't care if they are playing the Packers.  90 points is a lot.  Widener scored 4 touchdowns in 3 quarters!!!!  That's near impossible.  People give me the 'short field' excuse...They were given the ball short field.  This isn't just about Widener's offense and Wilkes' defense.  It's also how bad Wilkes was on offense. 

And you can say what you want about how 'noticed' Widener is but the only team noticed in that conference to this point in the season is Delaware Valley because of success in recent years.  People remember Widener from 10-12 years ago and Lyco from back in the day, but they've been mediocre since then.  I think this is a way to get people to associate this team with those nasty teams from the early 2000s.  Maybe they think they are that good and they want someone to catch on before November.

Thanks for the write-up compliment  :D It comes from a few years as a newspaper writer, starting with some time on the staff of The Beacon. It also evolved a few years later into a Formula 1-themed blog at the daily newspaper I was working for at the time...any Alonso or Hamilton fans out there?  8-)

When a team gets beat by a score of 90-0, I don't think anyone would dispute that it had a bad day on both offense and defense. The were a few bright spots, such as a first-half INT of Haupt, and the offense producing it's first 100-yard rusher on the year. It will take more bight spots like that to put together some MAC wins, and there is no question the staff and players at Wilkes realize that, hopefully putting it into action against FDU this weekend.

My observations on Widener's national reputation stems from my time working with the Colonels in a support role, from 2004-2007. Widener (and Lycoming) still carried plenty of name recognition then; perhaps the picture has changed a bit with so much success from DVC, and that nice playoff run from Albright. But I would still say that the past success makes the Pride a big-ticket item when they start to win in any given year.

As for the Widener-LVC game this weekend, I can't help but remember back to fall 2004, chilling out before practice with the game tape from the LVC-Widener contest that was played (in a monsoon-style rainstorm, on the old grass at Quick Stadium) the previous Saturday.

Final score from Chester: LVC 3, Widener 0.

Any given Saturday, my friends  8-)

I am in a F1 pool and spend my sunday mornings up at the crack of dawn of before watching the races all over the world. About 25 of us have done this pool for about 10+ years now...We all obviously have issues...  :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on September 26, 2012, 10:15:48 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on September 26, 2012, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 26, 2012, 02:25:08 PM
My parents are Wilkes alums. He happened to be visiting me last weekend when I relayed the score. He went into a bit of shock and then shrugged. In the end, his response is this stuff tends to be cyclical and in 5 or 10 years Wilkes will have a good team, Widener will be down, and hopefully Wilkes will put up 65 before kneeling down. Of course, he went on to say that he will donate to Wilkes to send that inevitable game tape to every contested recruit for the next 10 years...

You mean put up 165.  65 is nothin in this new rivalry.

nah. Dad is hopeful Wilkes is classy enough not to hang 70pts on a division rival. that being said, he'd be more than happy for Wilkes to dump all over them for at least one game in revenge.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DelcoD3 on September 27, 2012, 03:05:40 PM
Some views from the Widener coach in an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20120927_When_winning_big_means_taking_heat.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20120927_When_winning_big_means_taking_heat.html)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 27, 2012, 04:53:06 PM
Thanks for posting delco. It at least gave some insight to Collins thinking and some reasons for the defeat. Still, to dlip it is horse**** and he hopes Leb Val kicks the **** out of Widener  on Saturday. Dlip would have bought more into it maybe if the score was in the 60's, but 90...90 WTF??? Let's go Lev Val!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 27, 2012, 08:18:46 PM
Agree 100% Dlip....HE IS FULL OF 'ISH! After reading that PBR has no doubt he would of broken 100 if he had the chance.... Hope LV breaks 100 against them this weekend. And PBR's 2nd favorite team this is season is whoever Widener is playing against that week...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on September 27, 2012, 10:02:04 PM
Love the comment about how his "defense had been on the field a lot that day". Really? You scored 90 points but you wanted to keep the offense on the field to rest your first string defense? very disingenuous in my book.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on September 27, 2012, 10:11:37 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 27, 2012, 10:02:04 PM
Love the comment about how his "defense had been on the field a lot that day". Really? You scored 90 points but you wanted to keep the offense on the field to rest your first string defense? very disingenuous in my book.

Can not be that harsh on the guy, I believe that karma comes around in many ways, may not be in points, but other things. It is really hard to tell your young guys not to play their best, when the opportunity presents itself. Personally, I have been in games, both winning and losing, where one team scored 35 points in less than 12 minutes. It was kind of fluke, but it happens once in a blue moon.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Upstate on September 27, 2012, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: jknezek on September 27, 2012, 10:02:04 PM
Love the comment about how his "defense had been on the field a lot that day". Really? You scored 90 points but you wanted to keep the offense on the field to rest your first string defense? very disingenuous in my book.

Not defending the coach but his D was on the field a lot, they were on the field for 35+ minutes. They scored 90pts and only had the ball for 24 minutes...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 27, 2012, 11:28:25 PM
On the bright side, this is the liveliest the board has been since...well, Widener was last in the NCAA playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2012, 12:26:15 AM
Me and ... Mrs. Jones ...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 28, 2012, 05:28:06 AM
Wow - all this posting reminds me of the scene in "The Princess Bride" where the Dread Pirate Roberts, played by Carey Elwes says, "Clearly, you have a dizzying intellect."  And the reply, "Ha ha, wait until I really get going."

I would like to point out that the season is not over yet - there are still plenty of games against competitive teams remaining for the MAC crown to be decided. 

Lycoming is sitting in a good spot having defeated Delware Valley, Lebanon Valley and Albright - but the rest of the gang remains - including Widener as the homecoming opponent.

The MAC could be a split champion as in previous years or even a tri-champion - you just never know until it all plays out.

Still - as was stated - lots of good commentary about the Wilkes v. Widener game.  Widener still has to play DVC too, right?  The Aggies might have something to say to them too.

I love this time of year!

Go Yankees!!  Go Warriors!!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 28, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
Dlip and PBR...why are you such pu$$ies?  Wahhhhhhhh Widener scored 90 points. Ra ra let's route for Lebanon Valley. I hope Widener kicks the sh!t out of them too. I have no doubt Widener could have done things a little differently, but if a team can't stop another team or its backups' backups, too f'ing bad. Stop being Sally's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 28, 2012, 08:22:18 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 28, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
Dlip and PBR...why are you such pu$$ies?  Wahhhhhhhh Widener scored 90 points. Ra ra let's route for Lebanon Valley.

Bombers and I posted about this on one of the other boards - you can't just look at the number on the scoreboard, but instead you should look at how the points came about.  I have a more detailed writeup elsewhere (I think in the ERFP thread), but the only thing that seemed really egregious was that the starting QB threw his sixth touchdown pass of the game in the middle of the third quarter with Widener ahead 56-0; at that point, you probably don't need the starter in the game at all, much less throwing the ball.

However, from that point forward, pretty much everything was defensible.  Widener's backup running backs came in and ran the ball down the field for a touchdown early in the fourth quarter.  Wilkes fumbled the ensuing kickoff and it was returned for a TD.  Can't really blame Widener for that one.  For the rest of the game, the backups were in and Widener called virtually all running plays (they did call one pass play on a third down, but I don't have a huge issue with letting your backup QB throw that pass in a realistic game situation - what if he has to do that later this year with a game on the line?).

Of course it's upsetting to see 90 points on the board, but when the last 28 points came from a combination of Wilkes' special-teams mishaps and Widener's backup running backs moving the ball downfield, I'm not sure what Widener was supposed to do other than start taking knees early in the fourth.  Would you guys be happier if the Wilkes defense had just been able to stop the Widener backups and it ended 62-0, even with the first 62 points scored in the same fashion, because that way the big ugly "90" wouldn't have been on the scoreboard?

One other thing that's worth adding: this wasn't Widener rolling up the score on a hapless NEFC team with no talent.  Wilkes beat Widener last year.  I might be more upset if they rolled up 90 against a really, really awful team that had no chance of coming back once they were down by a few scores, but I can forgive keeping your foot on the gas for a little bit with a 35-0 halftime lead (see that linked article - last year they nearly lost a game that they'd led 31-0 at halftime).  Once it gets to 56-0, yeah, perhaps you should let up, but what you guys are missing is that THEY DID let up.  As I said, they couldn't have done much other than taking knees every play in the fourth quarter, or punting on first down, or something ridiculous like that.  And, if you're Wilkes, isn't that just as insulting?  To have the opponent just quit playing offense because they're beating you so badly?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 28, 2012, 08:47:13 AM
They should've just put in Lucas...

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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2012, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 28, 2012, 08:47:13 AM
They should've just put in Lucas...

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ahhh....beat it...stay over on the LL board. I have no problem with the score. As long as your not passing the ball (which they did), kept the starting qb in until midway through the 3rd qtr, adn tell the qb to use as much of the game clock as possible between snaps and run off guard and tackle plays(which they didn't). I don't need to hear the coach whine and feed me b.s. about not telling the 5th string tail back to not lie down. If he is 5th string tail back (if there is such a string/player) if your concerned about playing time for him have him play the JV game the next day to get some work in....but don't feed me no jive about being tough and not lying down, yadda yadda yadda....If they had done nothing but running plays off guard/tackle and used as much of the clock as they could and wilkes couldn't stop them then so be it. But they didn't that is my problem with it, I don't have a problem with the score only how they got to the final score.

btw sent you message....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 28, 2012, 09:17:12 AM
Quote from: PBR... on September 28, 2012, 08:58:22 AM
As long as your not passing the ball (which they did)

They threw ONE pass after the lead went to 62-0.

Quote from: PBR... on September 28, 2012, 08:58:22 AM
kept the starting qb in until midway through the 3rd qtr,

The lead was "only" 35-0 at halftime.  I don't see anything wrong with sending the starters back out for a few series in the second half; again, they nearly lost a game the year before that they'd led 31-0 at halftime.  I'm fine with scoring an insurance TD or two after the half.  I will say - and have already said several times - that the only thing I found particularly "unsportsmanlike" was the last TD pass thrown by the starting QB with the score already 56-0.  At that point, you probably oughta have your foot off the gas.  Everything after that, though, seemed perfectly acceptable to me.

Quote from: PBR... on September 28, 2012, 08:58:22 AM
If they had done nothing but running plays off guard/tackle and used as much of the clock as they could and wilkes couldn't stop them then so be it.

This IS darned close to what they did.  They threw one pass in the fourth quarter.  Every rushing attempt in the fourth quarter was a backup RB.  Wilkes GAVE them a touchdown by fumbling a kickoff away on their own eight-yard line: was the kid who recovered that fumble supposed to stop and think "Gee, we're already ahead, I probably shouldn't run this in" (which wouldn't really have helped anyway, Widener gets the ball on the 8-yard line and probably scores in two plays).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 28, 2012, 09:29:33 AM
QuoteMe and ... Mrs. Jones ...

One of the Widener receivers produced my favorite post of all time.  There was a topic in the Multi-Region section titled, "Who is the best receiver in D3?"  After a bunch of people posted stats and testimonials to their favorites, either Jim Jones or Michael Coleman (I think it was the latter) logged in and posted simply.

"Me"

And he wasn't too far off.  Coleman was 1st team All-American and Jim Jones was 2nd.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2012, 09:50:10 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 28, 2012, 09:29:33 AM
QuoteMe and ... Mrs. Jones ...

One of the Widener receivers produced my favorite post of all time.  There was a topic in the Multi-Region section titled, "Who is the best receiver in D3?"  After a bunch of people posted stats and testimonials to their favorites, either Jim Jones or Michael Coleman (I think it was the latter) logged in and posted simply.

"Me"

And he wasn't too far off.  Coleman was 1st team All-American and Jim Jones was 2nd.

Neither... go with billy "white shoes" johnson...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUKaz00 on September 28, 2012, 10:15:28 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 28, 2012, 09:17:12 AM
I will say - and have already said several times - that the only thing I found particularly "unsportsmanlike" was the last TD pass thrown by the starting QB with the score already 56-0.  At that point, you probably oughta have your foot off the gas.  Everything after that, though, seemed perfectly acceptable to me.

What do we know about this play?  As was mentioned elsewhere, it's conceivable that this was a shovel pass or a screen or a botched handoff which led to a passing TD. 

Is it better for a team step out of the 1 and take three knees before attempting a FG or is that a slap in the face of the other team as well?  And those backups likely want to score just as much as the starters; who knows if they'll ever get the chance to score again?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 28, 2012, 10:46:14 AM
If the JV players had to play in the JV game, why are they even dressed for the regular game?

Usually the refs try to help out as well after the game is well out of reach.  They can Call a holding or defensive holding to keep the other team on the field.  I'm suprised that didn't happen.

I'm also suprised Wilkes didn't play 8 men in the box and stop a 5th string offense (if it really was a 5th string offense or just a running back).  Most defenses down by big points late in the game know the other team isn't throwing it. 

Still bad kharma winning by 90.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 28, 2012, 11:00:52 AM
Johnny Utah - freshly initiated into the pu$$y squad.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 28, 2012, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on September 28, 2012, 10:15:28 AM
Is it better for a team step out of the 1 and take three knees before attempting a FG or is that a slap in the face of the other team as well?  And those backups likely want to score just as much as the starters; who knows if they'll ever get the chance to score again?

Agreed.  I was never on the losing side of a double monkey stomp, but I'd imagine that if I was there, I'd feel even WORSE that the other team had stopped playing the game as normal.

I also second your point as far as letting the backups play; I'm not about to tell my backup RB's and OL's that they don't get to play football because the score is getting out of hand.  Sure, as the others have said, I'd make them run straight dives and off-tackle plays, but I'd at least let them play instead of making them take a knee on first down.  The second and third-string OL guys really need those game reps.  What if injuries hit the OL in a week or two and one of those guys has to go into a game that matters?  I want to know that he's been tested a little.  As a coach, I'm not going to pass up the chance to let my backup OL's and RB's get 15 live game reps.  Plus, I might be looking at that game film later in the offseason to figure out who deserves a crack at next year's starting lineup.

My attitude was always that if the starters are pulled and they're running the ball, fine (I don't really care about the play clock, though, as long as they aren't going no-huddle or something silly).  Which is why I'm puzzled that so many folks here are up in arms, because that is exactly what Widener did with the exception of ONE pass play.  Honestly, if they'd pulled the starting QB one series earlier, I wouldn't be able to find a single thing to complain about on that losing side.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 28, 2012, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 28, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
Dlip and PBR...why are you such pu$$ies?  Wahhhhhhhh Widener scored 90 points. Ra ra let's route for Lebanon Valley. I hope Widener kicks the sh!t out of them too. I have no doubt Widener could have done things a little differently, but if a team can't stop another team or its backups' backups, too f'ing bad. Stop being Sally's.

Ya dog dlip hears ya, but he still just doesn't like it. Even us pu$%&#@ can have opinions, especially when we wear our high****ingheals  ;) .

Ra ra let's go Lebanon Valley
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 28, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
Quote from: dlip on September 28, 2012, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 28, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
Dlip and PBR...why are you such pu$$ies?  Wahhhhhhhh Widener scored 90 points. Ra ra let's route for Lebanon Valley. I hope Widener kicks the sh!t out of them too. I have no doubt Widener could have done things a little differently, but if a team can't stop another team or its backups' backups, too f'ing bad. Stop being Sally's.

Ya dog dlip hears ya, but he still just doesn't like it. Even us pu$%&#@ can have opinions, especially when we wear our high****ingheals  ;) .

Ra ra let's go Lebanon Valley

Do you even know where Lebanon Valley is?  Why would you jump on a bandwagon?  Just because a team might be good and scored 90 points?  I'm hoping Widener is dope.  They represented the East VERY well 10-12 years ago.  And they have sick uniforms.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 28, 2012, 12:31:23 PM
Isn't Lebanon Valley somehere near Isreal?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 28, 2012, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: pg04 on September 28, 2012, 12:31:23 PM
Isn't Lebanon Valley somehere near Isreal?

Bingo!!!

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Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 28, 2012, 12:38:39 PM
Quote from: pg04 on September 28, 2012, 12:31:23 PM
Isn't Lebanon Valley somehere near Isreal?

LOL...well played +1
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 28, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
As for the actual topic at hand. I have never really known how I feel about the absurd scores. Sometimes I say that it was classless but then I think "Am I only saying this because it is convention to think it is running up the score?" In the end, most times there is very little the winning team could have done to not run it up the score outside of kneeling.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 28, 2012, 12:52:23 PM
Quote from: pg04 on September 28, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
As for the actual topic at hand. I have never really known how I feel about the absurd scores. Sometimes I say that it was classless but then I think "Am I only saying this because it is convention to think it is running up the score?" In the end, most times there is very little the winning team could have done to not run it up the score outside of kneeling.

I think your point hits it right on the head.  It's 'conventional' thinking that a blowout score could be construed as an intentional running up of a score.  Mount Union has been doing it forever and no one cares.  People just say that they are so good it's expected.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 28, 2012, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 28, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
Quote from: dlip on September 28, 2012, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 28, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
Dlip and PBR...why are you such pu$$ies?  Wahhhhhhhh Widener scored 90 points. Ra ra let's route for Lebanon Valley. I hope Widener kicks the sh!t out of them too. I have no doubt Widener could have done things a little differently, but if a team can't stop another team or its backups' backups, too f'ing bad. Stop being Sally's.

Ya dog dlip hears ya, but he still just doesn't like it. Even us pu$%&#@ can have opinions, especially when we wear our high****ingheals  ;) .

Ra ra let's go Lebanon Valley

Do you even know where Lebanon Valley is?  Why would you jump on a bandwagon?  Just because a team might be good and scored 90 points?  I'm hoping Widener is dope.  They represented the East VERY well 10-12 years ago.  And they have sick uniforms.

There is no ****ing bandwagon and your question is not a good one. Just not happy with the running up that's all dude. You do make some good points in reference to MUC's past and that it would be good for the east if we had an ass-kicker. Yet dlip feels Widener is not it and showed little class in the win and their coach is full of ****. He loved the pounding but was too much of a pussy to admit it. Just say we want to be the best and we are going to show that week in and week out who ever the **** we play. Dont pawn it off like you tried not to do it and hide behind your players saying he wouldn't tell them to layoff. Dlio understands giving back UPS a chance to play hard and get game experience but at what cost? By totally humiliating a lteam and its players?

There are two sides, dlip sees yours and respects it, he just doesn't agree with it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 28, 2012, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: dlip on September 28, 2012, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 28, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
Quote from: dlip on September 28, 2012, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 28, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
Dlip and PBR...why are you such pu$$ies?  Wahhhhhhhh Widener scored 90 points. Ra ra let's route for Lebanon Valley. I hope Widener kicks the sh!t out of them too. I have no doubt Widener could have done things a little differently, but if a team can't stop another team or its backups' backups, too f'ing bad. Stop being Sally's.

Ya dog dlip hears ya, but he still just doesn't like it. Even us pu$%&#@ can have opinions, especially when we wear our high****ingheals  ;) .

Ra ra let's go Lebanon Valley

Do you even know where Lebanon Valley is?  Why would you jump on a bandwagon?  Just because a team might be good and scored 90 points?  I'm hoping Widener is dope.  They represented the East VERY well 10-12 years ago.  And they have sick uniforms.

There is no ****ing bandwagon and your question is not a good one. Just not happy with the running up that's all dude. You do make some good points in reference to MUC's past and that it would be good for the east if we had an ass-kicker. Yet dlip feels Widener is not it and showed little class in the win and their coach is full of ****. He loved the pounding but was too much of a pussy to admit it. Just say we want to be the best and we are going to show that week in and week out who ever the **** we play. Dont pawn it off like you tried not to do it and hide behind your players saying he wouldn't tell them to layoff. Dlio understands giving back UPS a chance to play hard and get game experience but at what cost? By totally humiliating a lteam and its players?

There are two sides, dlip sees yours and respects it, he just doesn't agree with it.

Last point on this and it's kind of been mentioned already...

Wilkes is not Husson or Anna Maria either.  Wilkes is a traditionally decent program.  Piling on to a team that really sucks is one thing, but this is not the case.  As many people mentioned, Wilkes beat Widener last year, So Widener came in ready to play and play hard and obviously Wilkes did not.  This isn't a program that they just decided to pile on against because they could.  Wilkes won't fold their program over it.  The players aren't going to all quit and go to cooking school instead.  Widener just beat the crap out of them and that's all it comes down to.  If RPI beat Rochester 90-0, I would be psyched.  Rochester always gives them fits.  Similar situation here.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 28, 2012, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on September 28, 2012, 03:35:10 PM
Wilkes is not Husson or Anna Maria either.  Wilkes is a traditionally decent program.  Piling on to a team that really sucks is one thing, but this is not the case.  As many people mentioned, Wilkes beat Widener last year, So Widener came in ready to play and play hard and obviously Wilkes did not.  This isn't a program that they just decided to pile on against because they could.

Agreed.

And dlip, as much as I want to say I "respect" your viewpoint just as much, please re-read some of my past posts about what happened in the fourth quarter to take us from "62" to "90" and tell me what Widener was supposed to do other than just outright stop playing the game in the fourth quarter.  Honest question, which I asked once before: if everything had unfolded exactly the same through the first three quarters, then the Wilkes players all grew a pair and stopped the Widener backups throughout the fourth quarter to keep the final margin at 62-0, would you still be beating this drum?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 28, 2012, 04:31:53 PM
Pep has, as a Saxon fan, unfortunately seen this from both sides. Pep remembers the 68-0 loss to Susquehanna back in the 60s when the Crusaders' fans were chanting "Penn State in '68!" Riding a long winning streak and clobbering everyone they played, they were a powerhouse under Coach Jim Garrett (whose son Jason is head coach of the Dallas Cowboys). At the time, Coach Yunevich said something along the lines of "Their day will come."

A year after the Crusaders pounded Alfred 68-0, they traveled to the Southern Tier of Western New York and faced the Saxons on Merrill Field. Coach Yunevich didn't need to say much to fire up his Saxons, who stunned the Crusaders and won, 18-16, snapping that long win streak. Later that season, Garrett was fired after allegedly striking one of his players.

Last year, Pep witnessed a similar situation in which EVERYTHING that could go wrong for the Saxons did, and Salisbury annihilated AU, 69-0. While played in a torrential downpour with wind gusts of 30 to 40 mph, while there wasn't any snow in the air, the plays on the field had a snowball effect and went from bad to worse in a hurry. It was 7-0 after one quarter, but 35-0 at halftime. It was midway through the third quarter when Salisbury pulled their starting QB, with a 49-0 lead. His back-up threw a TD pass to make it 55-0 and the Gulls added two scores in the final 4:17, the first on a short run culminating an 8-play 51 yard drive and the last coming on a blocked punt recovered in the end zone for a TD.

In AU's 60-0 playoff win over SUNY-Maritime in 2010, the Saxons were up 50-0 at halftime and, despite limited by the number of players allowed in a playoff game, rested the starters the entire second half, and went to a run-only offense, out of respect for the Privateers and their coach, who was headed to Afghanistan soon thereafter.

It ain't fun to be in an ugly one-sided football game...from either side. But it happens....sometimes in spite of sincere efforts to keep the score down.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 28, 2012, 04:36:46 PM
Case closed.  From here on out, all teams up by 50 or more must kneel every down, until the game is under 50 points.  Lollipops will be given to both teams after the game, and no feelings will be hurt in the process.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 28, 2012, 05:34:01 PM
Some good points here and honestly, dlip sees what you guys are saying. The points on here have made dlip think a bit (lolli-pops and all). dlip thinks if he got up by 50 or more he would simply call all running plays up the middle until the opposition scored and then he would allow the back UPS to answer. Who the **** knows? Maybe he wouldn't want to do anything to possible jeopardize the lead and/or the momentum built. He still feels ****ing 90 points is excessive and too much. Good discussion fellas....let's go LVC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 28, 2012, 06:03:43 PM
QuoteMe and ... Mrs. Jones ...


    One of the Widener receivers produced my favorite post of all time.  There was a topic in the Multi-Region section titled, "Who is the best receiver in D3?"  After a bunch of people posted stats and testimonials to their favorites, either Jim Jones or Michael Coleman (I think it was the latter) logged in and posted simply.

    "Me"

    And he wasn't too far off.  Coleman was 1st team All-American and Jim Jones was 2nd.

Neither... go with billy "white shoes" johnson..

I should've been clearer: The question was "Who is the best receiver in D3 in that season?"

So Johnson wasn't an option.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 28, 2012, 06:40:13 PM
First let me Say that I am both a Widener Grad and was at the game on Saturday. Regardless of how you try to spin it the score was rediculous. To have your starting qb in the game and still throwing passes with the score that lopsided at the 7 minute mark in the 3rd quarter is just wrong. It is not the players fault but speaks volumes for the character of the individuals calling the plays. I was extremely disappointed in coach Collins and had previously thought that he was a man of higher character. More importantly for the first time I was a little ashamed to be a former WU player. Furthermore, as a alumni who has remained in the area, I can tell you that the score was not well received in the local community, local press, or with various alumni. Furthermore, after answering questions all week Coach Collins has even stated that it has become a distration to the team.


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on September 28, 2012, 07:45:26 PM
Widener's goal for the rest of the season should be to go for 100! 100 or bust!  :P.

I wonder if such a running up of the score would have been such a big deal 20-30 years ago, before everyone's feelings started to make a difference in athletics.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on September 28, 2012, 08:02:01 PM
The pussification of America continues.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on September 28, 2012, 10:29:02 PM
PG -
I can speak for the MAC in the 90's as a player, and since as a close follower. This would have never happened. It had nothing to do with feelings, it had to do with respect. We went to battle every Saturday with some serious rivals during that time. Many of these games were extremely contested and centered around a serious dislike for our opponents, but there was also always a respect level within the conference.

Dog -
You are certainly entitled to your feelings and opinions. My belief is that this is more of an example of the continuation of an overall lack of honor, class and respect that many Americans choose to show to each other.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 29, 2012, 09:04:20 AM
As someone older then most yof you guys, I personaly would not have run up 90 points, bu that being said, IMHO this was all about Nationa Recognition. Widner now has it. Remember the old saying "watch what you wish for, you may get it". They are a team with a big Bulls Eye on ther back. ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on September 29, 2012, 10:25:50 AM
90-0 is nothing, it could have been much worse.  Ask Cumberland.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1073271/1/index.htm
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 29, 2012, 10:34:32 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 29, 2012, 10:25:50 AM
90-0 is nothing, it could have been much worse.  Ask Cumberland.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1073271/1/index.htm

Great stuff KS.  I remember reading that before but I love this part:

George Griffin, quarterback for the Engineers (and now dean at the school), recalls a moment when Heisman (the Georgia Tech coach) suddenly discovered a couple of Cumberland players seated on his bench. "He yelled at them to get back to their side of the field. They said, 'Give us a break. Don't make us go back. We'll have to go into the game.' "
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on September 29, 2012, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on September 29, 2012, 10:25:50 AM
90-0 is nothing, it could have been much worse.  Ask Cumberland.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1073271/1/index.htm

Wow, that's amazing. Especially, since it involved Heisman himself. +K.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on September 29, 2012, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: rams1102 on September 29, 2012, 09:04:20 AM
As someone older then most yof you guys, I personaly would not have run up 90 points, bu that being said, IMHO this was all about Nationa Recognition. Widner now has it. Remember the old saying "watch what you wish for, you may get it". They are a team with a big Bulls Eye on ther back. ::)

I have a counterpoint here: if this was about national recognition, why pull the starters at all? Why not keep them in, keep firing, and go for 100 if you were really after national recognition?

Give me a break, guys. 28 points fourth-quarter points on a series of running plays by backups and a special teams fumble is NOT running up the score. You guys are way too hung up on the fact that "90" ended up on the scoreboard and not at all looking at how that came about.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 29, 2012, 03:54:34 PM
For any who are interested Leb Val leads Widener 37-21 with about 5:00 left in the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 29, 2012, 03:59:01 PM
4:40 left Widener just scored, impressive. 37-29.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 29, 2012, 04:06:55 PM
Widener picks off o pass for a TD!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 29, 2012, 04:07:22 PM
With 2 min and change left Widener intercepts LVC on 3rd and 6 and returns for a TD. Then scores on the 2 point conversion. Incredible game. Both team playing hard. Widener's O is ****ing nasty and athletic as hell.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 29, 2012, 04:13:18 PM
Never mind
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on September 29, 2012, 04:47:46 PM
Having seen the 4th qtr of the Leb Val v Widener game I am astounded.  (by Leb Val)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 29, 2012, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: Saxon73 on September 29, 2012, 04:47:46 PM
Having seen the 4th qtr of the Leb Val v Widener game I am astounded.

Well we now know how not to run up the score.  Just do what LVC did in the 4th quarter of that game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 29, 2012, 07:01:03 PM
Wow!....Warren...Your lads played very well today...If the stars and planets align the right way throughout and at the end of the next three weeks, it could be an interesting Homecoming and Coach "G" dedication on Oct 20th at Lyco!...Your boys have nothing to be ashamed of...They gave both us and Widener a great game!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 29, 2012, 08:49:05 PM
   I was watching the Widener/LV game. The Q.b threw into double coverage both times. But coach should get the blame for his play calling with a 16 pt lead and 5 min to go.. LV played the better game.. But the score is what counts!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on September 30, 2012, 01:11:59 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on September 29, 2012, 08:49:05 PM
   I was watching the Widener/LV game. The Q.b threw into double coverage both times. But coach should get the blame for his play calling with a 16 pt lead and 5 min to go.. LV played the better game.. But the score is what counts!

I left and went to take my mother out to dinner when LVC was up 37-21 with about 5 or 6 minutes left in the game and returned to witness a great comeback. Wow!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on September 30, 2012, 06:42:03 AM
Funny thing, great comebacks are almost always accompanied by catastrophic collapses.  Concur with Simba - the Widener - Lycoming game could be one for all time.  But, Del Val still gets a shot at Widener at the end of the season so you just never know.  The MAC is often very unpredictable despite what posters, soothsayers, coaches, broadcasters and prognosticators think and write.

Go Yankees!  Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 05, 2012, 12:54:19 AM
W&J may not be in the conference, but please keep the team, players, coaches, student body, and especially the player's family in mind during this horrible time: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2012/10/washington-and-jefferson-player-dies (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2012/10/washington-and-jefferson-player-dies)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 09, 2012, 11:48:59 AM
Since it is crickets in here... I thought I would post this week's Podcast with Keith and Pat. They actually talked about the MAC and Widener this week (with some help from some friends ;) ): http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2012/10/08/around-the-nation-podcast-a-crushing-finish (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2012/10/08/around-the-nation-podcast-a-crushing-finish)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 09, 2012, 11:33:19 PM
Not sure if anyone on the board watched the Widener game this week but I was in attendance for homecoming and saw another first on this crazy season. The head coach from Stevenson actually faked a seizure on the field as part of a fake punt attempt which resulted in the official flagging him for unsportsmanlike conduct. Has anyone ever seen something like this at the college level?

Lastly, Pat, I was a little disappointed that two of my favorite Widener games did not make your list of top 10 finishes. Wu' s dbl ot win over Lyco in 2000 when the lyco kicker hit the upright on his pat try after both teams had scored. Or, Wu's win over Lyco in ot 2002 on a Wu blocked field goal that was recovered behind the line and thrown for a 20 yd td to win the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2012, 11:35:54 PM
Or the 2010 Delaware Valley game?

It was a tough choice whittling it down to 10. Did you go to the honorable mention page? Two of those games are listed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 09, 2012, 11:40:59 PM
Pat, I am sure the choices were endless. I agree that the games selected were certainly worthy.  I had not seen the honorable mention page. Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2012, 12:03:29 AM
Keith and I broadcast that blocked field goal game, so it was top of mind. But it wasn't more significant than the Miracle in the Mud game, because that was a playoff game, you know what I mean?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on October 10, 2012, 09:10:19 AM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 09, 2012, 11:40:59 PM
Pat, I am sure the choices were endless. I agree that the games selected were certainly worthy.  I had not seen the honorable mention page. Thanks for the information.

I didn't even see that part, hopefully the Salisbury v. SJF game in 2008 is on there. That game was epic. Actually set the tone for what we see in the E 8 currently.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 10, 2012, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 09, 2012, 11:33:19 PM
Not sure if anyone on the board watched the Widener game this week but I was in attendance for homecoming and saw another first on this crazy season. The head coach from Stevenson actually faked a seizure on the field as part of a fake punt attempt which resulted in the official flagging him for unsportsmanlike conduct. Has anyone ever seen something like this at the college level?

I did see the game as I call the games for Stevenson this season... and yes, one of the coaches looked like a fried egg on a skillet... but it wasn't the head coach. For starters, he is still recovering from a massive ACL reconstruction surgery and two weeks in a row didn't think he could stay on the field for the entire game (though, he did both times). Secondly, I was talking to him afterward and we weren't talking about him on the ground...

By the way, the reason for the flag wasn't for what the coach did on the ground... it was for the fact he did it outside of the coaching box - in the white area of the out-of-bounds line.

And yes... I actually think I have seen something similar to this before... I just can't remember where.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 10, 2012, 11:37:27 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 10, 2012, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 09, 2012, 11:33:19 PM
Not sure if anyone on the board watched the Widener game this week but I was in attendance for homecoming and saw another first on this crazy season. The head coach from Stevenson actually faked a seizure on the field as part of a fake punt attempt which resulted in the official flagging him for unsportsmanlike conduct. Has anyone ever seen something like this at the college level?

I did see the game as I call the games for Stevenson this season... and yes, one of the coaches looked like a fried egg on a skillet... but it wasn't the head coach. For starters, he is still recovering from a massive ACL reconstruction surgery and two weeks in a row didn't think he could stay on the field for the entire game (though, he did both times). Secondly, I was talking to him afterward and we weren't talking about him on the ground...

By the way, the reason for the flag wasn't for what the coach did on the ground... it was for the fact he did it outside of the coaching box - in the white area of the out-of-bounds line.

And yes... I actually think I have seen something similar to this before... I just can't remember where.

So was he faking it?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 10, 2012, 11:43:43 AM
Of course he was... no said it was an actual seizure... it was part of the play. Stevenson was going for a 4th and 1 (the fourth attempt of five on the same play due to numerous penalty flags from both teams) and part of it was the QB walking away from the center trying to get signs from the coaches... when one of them fell to the ground and looked like bacon on a hot skillet (take your pick for a description).

I don't think there would have been a flag for an actual seizure... and we would be talking about his condition and the fact the game had to be stopped for an ambulance. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 10, 2012, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 10, 2012, 11:43:43 AM
Of course he was... no said it was an actual seizure... it was part of the play. Stevenson was going for a 4th and 1 (the fourth attempt of five on the same play due to numerous penalty flags from both teams) and part of it was the QB walking away from the center trying to get signs from the coaches... when one of them fell to the ground and looked like bacon on a hot skillet (take your pick for a description).

I don't think there would have been a flag for an actual seizure... and we would be talking about his condition and the fact the game had to be stopped for an ambulance. :)

Maybe I'm missing something here, but that sounds like one of the cheapest unsportsmanlike moves you could make.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on October 10, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
I'm with you, if I'm reading it correctly that guy and anyone associated with him doing that are the biggest pieces of crap I've ever heard of. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUKaz00 on October 10, 2012, 01:42:07 PM
It's not as bad as what they were planning on their next 4th down (http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIMAs3VQ73YAMWr7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBrc3VyamVwBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQD?p=last+boy+scout+opening+scene&vid=0E6151D1BBAB52761D480E6151D1BBAB52761D48&l=&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.5019498938105913%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dv53mGjWu0F4&tit=The+Last+Boy+Scout+%28Opening+scene+-+football+shoot-up%29&c=1&sigr=11a1ae8bf&&tt=b)...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 10, 2012, 02:01:01 PM
That's pretty low. It was one thing for Dan Marino to fake a spike, that was just creative, but to have a coach fake a seizure on the sideline is just embarrassing. Some things just shouldn't be in the game. I can even swallow the players faking injuries to slow down the game (Stanford) because at least that is on the field. That's more ethical than some sick flopping coach.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 10, 2012, 02:18:06 PM
They could've done this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OGdkoeqG0Q
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 10, 2012, 02:19:55 PM
Maybe this is the team they should have ran up 90 points against... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 10, 2012, 02:32:54 PM
Guys... I have seen worse in many different places and in many different sports... it wasn't that big a deal and it didn't seem like anyone had a problem with it at the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on October 10, 2012, 02:38:10 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 10, 2012, 02:32:54 PM
Guys... I have seen worse in many different places and in many different sports... it wasn't that big a deal and it didn't seem like anyone had a problem with it at the game.

You must have a low standard of "a big deal" I think faking what could be a serious medical problem, especially given people have been known to fall, seize, and die out of nowhere, is a REALLY big deal.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 10, 2012, 02:41:07 PM
OK... for the record... someone else described it as a seizure... NO one I have talked to or ANY of the three broadcast crews calling the game described it as such. I think most of us saw for what it was... a really bad dance move (have you seen people get on the ground and overly-flail about to get attention?). Not one person, including the officiating crew, thought it was an actual seizure or acted as such (the flag was thrown from the head ref and it wasn't after he went over to check on the coach - it was right away).

Let's not blow this completely out of proportion.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on October 10, 2012, 02:46:06 PM
All right, if that's true, it's still incredibly cheesy and unsportsmanlike. Apparently just being good on the field wasn't an option.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 10, 2012, 02:46:11 PM
Dave

Can you tell us more about the play?  You mention that the QB was walking away...who wast to get the snap etc?    Can you explain the dynamics of the play, and how it should have worked?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 10, 2012, 02:57:23 PM
The play was simple, the QB went under center and gave a hard count... Widener kind of jumped... the QB then walked away from center and toward his sideline (back away from the line of scrimmage) and eventually put his arms in the air... one of the coaches tried to emphatically signal a play and the QB acted confused... another coach then hit the deck and went crazy clearly as a distraction (again, he is NOT the first coach I have seen do this on a sideline)... actually the moment the coach went to the ground the ball was snapped back to the running back who ran for five yards and the first down.

This was the fourth attempt out of five to complete what had started as a 4th and 1 on Stevenson's 34 yard line.
- The first play was a great punt (caught at the Widener 3 and returned to the 16)... but Stevenson was called for an illegal shift.
- The second play (4th and 6) Widener brought six rushers and the punt was lousy... allowing Widener to retrieve it at their own 46 and return it for a TD... but the Pride was flagged for running into the kicker and then for an illegal block (of the kicker) on the return (could have been called a "leading with the helmet" unsportsmanlike on the block).
- The third play (4th and 1) Stevenson came out with their offense... Widener called TO.
- The fourth play was as described above.
- The fifth play (4th and 16 from Stevenson's 19)... Widener once again brought the house (six guys rushing?) and the kick was decent... but still returned for a TD... except Widener was flag for roughing the kicker (they plowed him over) and Stevenson was eventually given a first down from the 34.

By the way, the score was 42-13 early in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on October 10, 2012, 03:50:27 PM
I have never disputed that this is something that has occurred before, I'm just saying it's a really stupid and childish thing to do.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 10, 2012, 04:12:47 PM
They should've just pulled the old 'hidden ball trick'....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 10, 2012, 05:13:02 PM
Actual record of that coaches interview:

Ques: "Why do you feel like you would be a good fit for this program?"

Coach: "I just love football and all the parallels it has to real life. I am a role model and a man with,a lot of personal pride."

Ques: "When things get tough during a game what do you do to motivate the players?"

Coach: "I flop on the ground like a ****ing fish!"

Ques: "No seriously coach."

Coach: " Seriously, I fake a ****ing seizure on the sidelines. It's very effective really."

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 11, 2012, 09:03:41 AM
Thanks Dave, That helps put some context around it...
I should try that at my work...might be a distraction if I can't get something done... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2012, 01:36:12 PM
Gordon - What's going on with the audio broadcast??? It's 2012......time to let go of the two cans on the end of a string:) I'll talk to Brosnan and Wolfgang for you!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 13, 2012, 11:41:59 PM
I had a tough time with the internet connection at King's during the first half.  I resolved the problem midway through the 2nd quarter by dropping down to a low bit rate. Still better than trying to use a phone line.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 14, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
Gordon please talk to dlip about this Del Val team. Looks like they are starting to really come together and have rebounded from a tough start. To you, is this a top 10 team in the east?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 14, 2012, 11:16:38 AM
I doubt a win against Kings (this year) is any kind of measuring stick...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 14, 2012, 04:58:30 PM
Really not saying it does. However with a nice win over Albright and going 4-0 since losing to a good team in Rowan and a decent team in Lycoming, the aggies are controlling what they can. Hence the question to Gordan to get a little more inside info on this 2 loss team that was quite highly regarded before the season began...  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 15, 2012, 12:18:21 AM
Huge game this week at Lyco...either way, though, the Albright and Lyco games are also huge games looming for Widener, before the Del Val game...
Looks like Del Val and Lyco have gotten through the most difficult part of their schedule, while that can not be said for Widener.

We'll see if the ranking for WU is justified...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2012, 08:20:57 PM
QuoteGordon please talk to dlip about this Del Val team. Looks like they are starting to really come together and have rebounded from a tough start. To you, is this a top 10 team in the east?

That's a good question.

The Aggies first team defense hasn't allowed a touchdown since the second half of Game 2 against Lycoming.  The reserves allowed touchdowns to Stevenson, FDU and Albright but the starters held those three teams plus King's out of the endzone.  Then again, three of those four teams are headed for losing seasons. 

Del Val replaced five of their front seven on defense so some growing pains were likely.  Coach Clements is an outstanding defensive coach so improvement was also likely.  Unfortunately Del Val's first two opponents didn't leave room for subpar performances.

Right now either Del Val or Leb Val is the third best team in the MAC, behind Widener and Lycoming.  Is the third best team in the MAC one of the Top 10 in the region?  Maybe it's not this year considering the Empire 8's depth, the NJAC's parity at the top and Hobart's stellar start.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2012, 08:24:01 PM
QuoteHuge game this week at Lyco...

If Lyco wins this week, the Warriors basically lock up the automatic bid.  They finish with Wilkes, Stevenson and Misericordia.  Even if they lost one of those two games, they would still win the automatic bid with tie breakers over Widener or Del Val (the only teams who could catch them at that point). They could still split the conference title since the MAC recognizes co-champs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 15, 2012, 08:32:35 PM
Gordon

At 4-1 in the conference, anything can happen... it all comes down to the Del Val/Widener game (assuming the top 3/4 don't slip prior).  To Del Val, the WU/Lyco game isn't really relevant...unless one of them loses unexpectedly.   Del Val, only has one stiff game ahead (leb Valley) based on the season's performance so far.   Widener still has to face Lyco, Albright, (which has been a challenge for them in years past) and Del Val....clearly the hardest schedule of the 3...As you mention Lyco is in the best position so far, but it looks like they don't score a lot of points....which may make them somewhat vulnerable...

Interesting few weeks coming up...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2012, 06:07:01 PM
If Lyco wins tomorrow, Del Val's hopes for the AQ are essentially gone.  So are Widener's.

With a victory, the Warriors would be 6-0 with a one game advantage over Del Val and Widener and the head-to-head advantage.  The only way Del Val or Widener gets the AQ in that situation is if Lycoming loses two of its last three games against Wilkes, Stevenson and first year program Misericordia.  Even if we assume Lyco loses one of those three, the Warriors would at worst finish tied with Del Val or Widener in the standings and have the H2H advantage for the AQ.

If Widener wins tomorrow, we have an interesting final three weeks.  If Lycoming wins, the race for the AQ is basically over.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 19, 2012, 09:03:35 PM
Don't worry Gondon..Widener will win by 13... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 20, 2012, 01:56:23 PM
Aggies were up pretty well in the Misericordia game, so switched to the Lyco/Widener contest- The Pride up midway through the first quarter, 7/0 - Go Pride!  Until your last game of the season that is!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 20, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
At this moment, it looks bad for Del Val as Lycoming is beating Widener (the Pride keep turning the ball over), 17/14 in the middle of the 4th.  I have to start supper, but for now - not so great.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUKaz00 on October 20, 2012, 04:57:22 PM
Mad scramble by the Pride as they come back to win 28-23.  So, AQ hopes are alive for all three teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on October 20, 2012, 05:20:47 PM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on October 20, 2012, 04:57:22 PM
Mad scramble by the Pride as they come back to win 28-23.  So, AQ hopes are alive for all three teams.

Wow!  They did a similar thing against LVC. They have resiliency and I actually do hope they go undefeated.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 20, 2012, 05:25:35 PM
WOW, thank you Widener - Aggies, it all up to you now - GO DEL VAL!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 20, 2012, 08:43:55 PM
Widener's comeback also keeps Leb Val and Albright's hopes for a conference title alive.  It'll be a fun three week stretch.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 21, 2012, 06:32:42 PM
Was at the Widnener-Lycoming  game for any and all concerned and am willing to answer questions, if requested.

The Warriors were up, with the ball, and only needing to run out the clock.  They were able to overcome a false start and get a first down and needed only one more to run out the clock.  On third and fourth, Coach Clark elected to pass and the ball was thrown behind Parker Showers for an incomplete pass stopping the clock - a critical mistake.  Second guessing says, run the ball, if you do not get the first down let the clock continue to run - take the timeout and then punt.  Not done - leaving Widener with 1:26 on the clock as the ball came to rest near the twenty yard line.

Widener gets the ball and begins to self-destruct - penalties, have to use up third time out, scrambling like mad, etc.  A series of dramatic third down pass plays for big gains.  With mere seconds to go - not quite yet in field goal position they attempted a crossing route with Anthony Davis - I do not know how they got him since I thought he turned pro after USC - but he made a great catch in mid-stride and sprinted diagonally across the field for a score.  If he catches it and is tackled it is very likely the clock runs out before they line up and spike it - but Lycoming did not lay a hand on him.  After the touchdown the clock read 00:17 - those final seconds that might have been run off the clock earlier during the Warriors last possession loom even larger as the season winds down.  Hard to say if things would have turned out differently - I would have preferred to eat more clock. 

Lycoming gambled on the pass for the final first down to run out the clock and threw over the middle and LOST.  Widener, with their backs to the wall, created an aerial circus, and gambled, throwing over the middle and WON.

It was a stunning loss, given the Girardi bust dedication, the homecoming backdrop, and the Warriors giving up 14 points in the final quarter - something not usually seen in Williamsport or elsewhere.  The Pride have a potent office and can score fast. 

The only truly negative thing I can report is they seemed a bit too full of themselves at the end - and did not exit the field to celebrate in the locker room which would have been the sportsmanlike thing to do - and what Lycoming did at Del Val earlier in the year when they upset them at home.

All in all - an exciting exhibition of D-III football and a game that might have turned out differently for a few crucial and strategic decisions.

I am now an Aggie fan - beat Widener.

Go Warriors!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 21, 2012, 07:13:49 PM
gordon, what has del val changed during the win streak.  the offense was baffling to me in week 1, but the aggies seem to be scoring more now.  moving the qb around more instead of keeping him in the pocket?  if they win out do they win the MAC, not sure anyone thought that would happen after the early season struggles
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 21, 2012, 11:16:50 PM
Lyco80

Thanks for the recap...nice write-up!  While glad for the win, I certainly don't like to hear that WU wasn't very respectful in the celebration...that's not good to hear.  As much as we have beat the h@ll out of each other over the years, I thinks we've both earned the respect from each other that we deserve...
I was wondering if you could elaborate more on the turnovers(by both teams) and how they affected the game and the score...Unfortunately I was not near a computer on Sat., and couldn't listen to the game.  I was shocked to see WU had 7 turnovers, yet was able to still (even keep the game close) win...

Thanks!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on October 21, 2012, 11:20:42 PM
Quote from: bman on October 21, 2012, 11:16:50 PM
Lyco80

Thanks for the recap...nice write-up!  While glad for the win, I certainly don't like to hear that WU wasn't very respectful in the celebration...that's not good to hear.  As much as we have beat the h@ll out of each other over the years, I thinks we've both earned the respect from each other that we deserve...
I was wondering if you could elaborate more on the turnovers(by both teams) and how they affected the game and the score...Unfortunately I was not near a computer on Sat., and couldn't listen to the game.  I was shocked to see WU had 7 turnovers, yet was able to still (even keep the game close) win...

Thanks!

I think that overcoming 7 turnovers account for a lot, it proves that this team has talent to win games when making mistakes and shows that this team knows how to stay together when facing adversity, even though they proved that against Lebanon Vally. Nevertheless, how long can they keep that up, it may not be the case come Week 11.

I still think that Widener is a great team and deserves more credit, the MAC is tough.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2012, 05:23:50 AM
Thanks for the props bman.

Lycoming missed two field goals - one blocked; one botched; that were inside the ten yard line.  Matt Atkinson dropped a clear touchdown pass on the two yard line.  A Widener wide receiver dropped a clear touchdown pass without a defender within ten yards and inside the ten.  It was that sort of game. 

The defenses played their hearts out and Widener's offense was on fire passing like mad.  The first half they played lots of stretch plays with passes to the flats - I thought trying to tire out the Warriors and set them up for the inevitable Q-back draw - which worked to great effect later in the game when they lost some confidence in their passing game.

The turnovers were mostly attributable to sterling d-back or linebacker play - reading the pass and undercutting it or staying tight with the receiver and leaping at the last second.  It was an incredible game in many ways. 

Funny, the six points on the missed, chip shot field goals, proved very costly as the final tally was 5 points. 

This is why we love football so much - it is fast and unpredictable.

Thanks for asking.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DelcoD3 on October 22, 2012, 10:04:16 AM
What a tough loss for Lyco. But congrats to Widener, they did play till the very end when it looked like they were trying to give the game away most of the day. Widener's D had as much to do with this win as their offense.

For the turnovers, 2 fumbles and 5 picks by the Lyco D. One of the INTs was thrown by Widener's backup/wildcat QB, I don't think you saw him after that. You can credit the Lyco D for the picks. Like Lyco80 said a few nice plays by the secondary and LBs. Lyco lost 2 DBs in the first half to injury and they surely missed them in the 2nd half. But injuries are a part of the game.

For the 3rd down call on Lycos last drive, that's a tough decision. In hindsight a run and taking another 30 seconds off the clock looks like it would have been the better decsion. But I guess they were being aggressive - it was 3 and 7 and if you get the first down the Widener offense doesn't get the ball back at all.

Again Lyco just didn't capitalize. Hold an offense that averages almost 60 to 28. Force 7 turnovers plus a 4th down stop of Widener when Widener went for it around their own 22 yard line (horrible decision by Widener by the way)! All of that has to lead to more than 23 points.

So Lyco needs to win out and root for Del Val. Anybody know what happens with a 3 way tie? I believe the MAC recognizes all 3 as co-champs, but what about tie breakers for the AQ playoff bid?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 22, 2012, 10:29:45 AM
DelcoD3:

I'm told that the first useful tiebreaker to decide the AQ in a three-way tie between Del Val, Widener and Lycoming at 9-1 is point differential between the three squads in their games against each other. 

So Lycoming is +5 from a 10-point win over Del Val and a 5-point loss to Widener.  Widener is +5 and Del Val -10.

If Lycoming wins out, Del Val wins its next two and Widener wins its next two, then Del Val and Widener's game would determine who gets the AQ.  In that situation...

* Widener wins the title outright and the AQ by beating Del Val.
* Del Val shares the title with Lycoming and Widener by beating Widener.  The Aggies can win the AQ by beating Widener by more than 15.
* Lycoming shares the title with Del Val and Widener if Del Val beats Widener.  The Warriors win the AQ if Del Val beats Widener by less than 15.

If Del Val wins by exactly 15, then it moves to the next tiebreaker (whatever that is).  That's my understanding at least.

Of course, there's still work for all three teams to do.  Widener and Del Val have tough roads before the season finale.  Albright and Leb Val can play themselves back into the mix. Just about every team can impact the final outcome of the title race.

Should be a fun three week stretch.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DelcoD3 on October 22, 2012, 10:35:55 AM
Thanks Pat and Gordon.

Yeah I was just looking at the MAC schedule and lots of football left, including a big day this Saturday with the top 6 all matching up against each other.

Lyco has to get over the letdown and face a Wilkes team that always plays them tough.

Widener/Albright - can Widener have a letdown coming off such a dramatic win and maybe be looking ahead to Del Val?

Leb Val/Del Val - maybe Leb Val feels overlooked a little?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 22, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
While I am grateful for those who posted the tie-breaker protocols it makes my head hurt to consider all the permutations - sure wish they had tackled #5 as he sprinted across the field in Williamsport while time ran out on the game.  So much simpler - sigh.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 22, 2012, 08:19:36 PM
Dlip thinks the MAC is a very solid conference this season with some excellent football having been played. Widener just keeps winning no matter what. To beat a team like Lyco having turned the ball over really says something. The few times the Pride have clicked on all cylinders they have been scary. If they face a top notch team and turn the ball over 7 times forget it. However, if they play turnover free football and that offense goes ape **** who knows? Maybe this team can make some noise in the playoffs. ...Yet if they lose to Del Val this thought of them maybe being "really" good will be all for not.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 22, 2012, 08:27:35 PM
The other real concern for Widener against "a top notched team" (and wouldn't Lycoming and others in the MAC count?) would be their defense. They give up too many points sometimes against teams they shouldn't. While I realize at one point in the second half against Stevenson it wasn't the starters on the field, but even before that, Stevenson found a way to start moving down the field on the Pride - even in the first half. I am not saying Stevenson wins that game, but it was the Mustangs defense that allowed that game to get out of hand (giving up just one big play on every scoring drive). Widener didn't adjust well to Stevenson's check-with-me offense and adjustments... when Widener showed a run defense, Stevenson would check out to a pass and usually convert. If Widener showed pass defense, Stevenson would check out and always convert on the run. Widener needs to tighten up on defense (and no, blow out to Wilkes, doesn't count as a "top-notch team") if they will live up to their ranking and a deep run in the tournament.

Now the offense for Widener is another story - that thing is dangerous when they are all on the same page. But that offense has shown to struggle as well against decent defenses.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 22, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
D-Mac
Sorry but I feel I must point out a few flaws in your post

Not really sure about WU's offense showing any struggles. Their low output for the year is 28 pts. Against a very good Lyco D. Furthermore, they are averaging 55pts a game. I don't believe that offensive output would fit into the struggling against decent defenses category. Unless you feel Lyco is the only decent defense they have faced.

Secondly - The Wu defense has only allowed two teams to score over 20 this season. Leb Val scored 37 and Lyco hit 23. While also posting 2 shutouts. They are giving up an average of 14.7 pts. per game.

As for your comments concerning the Stevenson game.

Not sure how confused WU was with the Stevenson "check with me offense" since the score at the half was 42 - 13. With Stevenson's final score of the day coming with 3 minutes remaining against  WU's 3rd team defense. I think the only thing  confusing that day was the coaches fake punt, fall to the ground, seizure (I think you refered to it as a dance move) play.

WU may have some flaws. Both ball security and at times  their running game have not been great. You can also question the overall strength of their opponents to this point. However, I think your points and references to the Stevenson game may be a bit of a reach, and either clouded by you affiliation to Stevenson or dislike for Widener.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 23, 2012, 05:16:41 AM
Dlip was not putting down any MAC teams or any other ER teams for that matter. When saying "top notched" he was refering to the likes of MUC, UMHB, Linfield, etc. D3 teams that are or have been on that other tier, that top tier of D3 that an ER team has not reached in quite some time. So no, dlip would not consider Lyco or any other ER team in that tier. His hopes (as they are every year) is that some ER team will break inti that tier. Dlip's previous post was thinking out liyd if The Pride could possibly be that team. We seem to agree, probably not, but like in all other years dlip likes to have a tad bit of hope.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 23, 2012, 05:25:45 AM
Widener reminds me a little bit like Brett Favre - a Mississippi riverboat gambler - always relying on talent and believing in luck but willing to gamble even when it is 4th down on your own 22.  That sort of impulsive behavior eventually leads to your undoing because sooner or later the ball does not bounce your way and you run into a team that is just a wee bit hotter than you are.  They overcame great odds against a LVC team inextricably passing into double coverage twice while ahead and came out on top against Lycoming who did not score TDs in the red zone and botched field goals to put the game away truly capitalizing on turnovers.  Great teams, not just good teams, will not make those mistakes.  If Widener is going to win the MAC they will have to defeat a very determined and much improved DVC team and then re-invent themselves somewhat for the playoffs if they are going to go deep.  They are a hugely talented offensive juggernaut of a machine but must make better decisions when the playing field gets elevated to another plane.  Just how I see it after watching the game and reflecting.

Go Warriors - Go Aggies!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 23, 2012, 09:53:23 AM
Lyco

They've been like that since the Zwaan days...before that Widener was typically a very conservative team...that lived with a dominating D...

DLIP

I agree...it's a stretch to believe that any East team(MAC included) can win a game against the top 5...but as always I hope I'm wrong...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2012, 10:06:48 AM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 22, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
D-Mac
Sorry but I feel I must point out a few flaws in your post

Not really sure about WU's offense showing any struggles. Their low output for the year is 28 pts. Against a very good Lyco D. Furthermore, they are averaging 55pts a game. I don't believe that offensive output would fit into the struggling against decent defenses category. Unless you feel Lyco is the only decent defense they have faced.

Secondly - The Wu defense has only allowed two teams to score over 20 this season. Leb Val scored 37 and Lyco hit 23. While also posting 2 shutouts. They are giving up an average of 14.7 pts. per game.

As for your comments concerning the Stevenson game.

Not sure how confused WU was with the Stevenson "check with me offense" since the score at the half was 42 - 13. With Stevenson's final score of the day coming with 3 minutes remaining against  WU's 3rd team defense. I think the only thing  confusing that day was the coaches fake punt, fall to the ground, seizure (I think you refered to it as a dance move) play.

WU may have some flaws. Both ball security and at times  their running game have not been great. You can also question the overall strength of their opponents to this point. However, I think your points and references to the Stevenson game may be a bit of a reach, and either clouded by you affiliation to Stevenson or dislike for Widener.

I may be "affiliated" with Stevenson, but that doesn't mean I have lost my impartiality as an observer. That happens to be the game I saw in person. I also have no dislike for Widener... I was pretty impressed with them and have followed their success for years.

In my post I admit that the Stevenson offense was going up against the reserves at some point in the second half, however Stevenson did have a 5 play-76 yard drive for a touchdown in the first half. Stevenson also had some long drives deep into Widener territory that didn't result in scores thanks to turnovers or failed fourth down conversions (one 6 play-65 yard drive comes to mind).

I also didn't indicate "confusion" on Widener's defense... I stated that they didn't adjust well and showed their hand far too much. Too many times they showed run... saw Stevenson change the play (it isn't that subtle) and stayed in the defense only to have Stevenson pass for a first down or big gainer. Then when they showed pass... saw Stevenson change the play and stayed in the same defense... Stevenson ran it down their throat for a big gain. They have to shore up the defense a bit to have success against far better competition. And I also agree that their running games is a major question mark - however, Widener's passing game and at times 5-wide set-up allows them to overcome that flaw many times because a blitz will never get to the QB in time for him to dump off in the slot or the defense has to quickly adjust to a major spread look out of a no-huddle... that is good stuff to be sure.

My point about Stevenson is if I saw flaws in the Widener defense in that game... what does that mean for the Pride against far stiffer competition. Widener has already had a dog fight and needed some miraculous plays to get a win over Lebanon Valley (who, for comparison, Stevenson took down to the wire) and some things to go their way late to get past Lycoming. dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 23, 2012, 11:43:16 AM
QuoteToo many times they showed run... saw Stevenson change the play (it isn't that subtle) and stayed in the defense

DM this is hilarious, dlip almost spit up his oatmeal +k! :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 23, 2012, 02:42:07 PM
Bman -
Actually the reliance on the big play offense and passing game was put in place when Bill Cubit and to an extent G.A. Mangus brought a unique combination of the Wing T run game and the Florida passing game to Widener in the mid 90's. During these years Zwann was actually the D coordinator for Widener before taking over as the head coach and OC in 1997 when Cubit left for Western Michigan.  They really have not been conservative on offense since the days of Bill Manlove.

Dlip –

I agree with your statement about both the MAC and ER. It has been a long time since the MAC and many ER teams have been to the levels of MUC, Wesley, UMHB or the Wisconsin's, and I really do not think anyone in the east let alone the MAC is there yet.  But at least it appears that the conference is getting stronger again.

D Mac-
I must admit I rather enjoy this witty banter as it reminds me of the old days on the MAC board. You're correct, your affiliation with Stevenson is not what caused me to question your impartiality as an observer. It was your attempt to justify and rationalize the previously mentioned fake punt attempt in the WU game. Furthermore, I just felt it would be accurate to point out the statistical inconsistency in your argument.
Lastly, you stated," Stevenson did have a 5 play-76 yard drive for a touchdown in the first half. Stevenson also had some long drives deep into Widener territory that didn't result in scores thanks to turnovers or failed fourth down conversions (one 6 play-65 yard drive comes to mind)."

Not sure citing one touchdown drive in a half of football, or referencing drives that ended due to turnovers and failed fourth down attempts, speak to a struggling defense.  I also was at the game, as I am on a weekly basis, and did not notice WU having any issues. It appeared to me that they were simply remaining in their base defensive calls throughout the game while relying on their offensive ability and Stevenson's offensive mistakes.  Lastly, Not sure how a defense shows "run."
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 23, 2012, 04:04:37 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 23, 2012, 02:42:07 PM
Bman -
Actually the reliance on the big play offense and passing game was put in place when Bill Cubit and to an extent G.A. Mangus brought a unique combination of the Wing T run game and the Florida passing game to Widener in the mid 90's. During these years Zwann was actually the D coordinator for Widener before taking over as the head coach and OC in 1997 when Cubit left for Western Michigan.  They really have not been conservative on offense since the days of Bill Manlove.

Yup forgot about Cubit....thx!   

"They really have not been conservative on offense since the days of Bill Manlove"...ok now you can guess what Era I'm from... :)

If you're going to the Del Val game, I'll introduce myself...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on October 23, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 22, 2012, 10:10:56 PM

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

Now, I believe that the MUC has all the talent in the world to go to the Stagg bowl. However, with them blowing teams out in the OAC, can you really consider the conference the second best conference, when MUC blowsout the conference third best team? Nevertheless, with them blowing teams out, which allows its starters to finish games by the second quarter. It is only safe to say that, when playoffs come around that teams that come from the MAC and such, face adverse situations when playing a team such as MUC in the playoffs, due to nagging injuries (result of competitive games throughout the whole season) and film that shows majority of the MUC backups playing. However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 23, 2012, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: SUADC on October 23, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 22, 2012, 10:10:56 PM

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

Yes...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 23, 2012, 06:12:28 PM
Bman-
I have been around the program for many years.  So please do not allow my Manlove reference to steer you in any direction. If you were part of the program in any capacity after Coach Manlove then there is a very good chance that we have already met on numerous occasions. I will be attending the Del Val game with various Alum to watch the game and check in on Coach Clem.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on October 23, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: SUADC on October 23, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 22, 2012, 10:10:56 PM

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

Now, I believe that the MUC has all the talent in the world to go to the Stagg bowl. However, with them blowing teams out in the OAC, can you really consider the conference the second best conference, when MUC blowsout the conference third best team? Nevertheless, with them blowing teams out, which allows its starters to finish games by the second quarter. It is only safe to say that, when playoffs come around that teams that come from the MAC and such, face adverse situations when playing a team such as MUC in the playoffs, due to nagging injuries (result of competitive games throughout the whole season) and film that shows majority of the MUC backups playing. However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

Dude...are you serious right now?  You posted in another thread that UMHB is the only team that proved they are the top dog this year.  Yah...go with that theory.  It always amazes me when a poster gets the "hate Mount" groove on. 

Just sad.......but understandable.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
WUDLINE - you can spot a defense set-up for a running play very easily. For Widener they would stack everyone within ten yards of the line of scrimmage, including the safeties, leaving the corner backs in man-to-man coverage on the outside. Many times when Stevenson had a running play on and saw this formation, they checked out to a passing play and converted many times with passes to the sideline (despite many dropped balls in that game).

When Widener would show a passing set-up, they would have the safeties more like 15 yards from the line of scrimmage, flared out more to the hashmarks, bring the linebackers back a few yards from where they would be in a running set-up, essentially setting up a Cover 2 or whatever to keep the passing zones covered. Many times when Stevenson had a passing play on and saw this formation they checked out to a running play and had plenty of success (i.e. Smith with 110 yards rushing).

Best example of the Pride's run set-up may have been the Mustangs first touchdown. They were on the Widener 7... and the Pride had no defenders with a foot inside the endzone before the ball was snapped. Stevenson pitched the ball to Smith who then threw a touchdown to the fullback Bragg (who had lined up as a flanker - as he normally does - off the line). Bragg had slipped through the entire defense and into the endzone... and was wide open five yards back with still not a single defender in the endzone.

Now, Widener has a very good defense. I was impressed with the fact they didn't buy into a couple razzle-dazzle plays from the Mustangs, including a very good play from their wide receiver throwing to their quarterback. I am also not saying Stevenson is all that good by any stretch of the imagination. That being said, while Stevenson didn't have the points to show it, they did move the ball into Widener territory quite often and if it hadn't been for failed fourth down attempts, a timely sack, and a turnover... they may have had more success.

Which gets me to this... if Stevenson could have success moving the ball on Widener (333 yards isn't a ton, but it is above the average Widener is giving up: 285) and they are only 1-6... what does that mean for any post-season action - or heck, any of the three games remaining?

Again, Widener's defense is good... and I expected them to be successful against Stevenson... but I also didn't expect them to give up big drives against the Mustangs either (I figured going into the game Stevenson would need some short fields thanks to their defense - they really didn't get any of those). But they have got to play better soon or the a possible NCAA run could be short - especially if the offense turns the ball over as much as 7 times in a game.

And as for your point about the fake play for Stevenson... if it had been Widener with the play, I would have said the same thing. My point was to make sure people didn't get carried away with comments of unsportsmanlike and such - Widener fans didn't like the "unsportsmanlike" comments about their 90-0 win over Wilkes, after all... and this was just one play. Again, if Widener had done that... I probably would have said the same thing, especially since some people asked for clarification on the series of plays leading up.

You might want to learn more about me before you go assuming you know where I am coming from. I am pretty sure if Gordon had taken a stance like mine you wouldn't have had a problem with it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 23, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
Skunk -
I am not sure that anyone with knowledge the MAC, the east region, or for that matter D3 believes that any of our teams are currently in the same category as the teams that Dlip mentioned. As for perennials like UMHB, Wesley, White Water, Linfield, and MCU, in the words of Dennis Green, " they are who we thought they are."  There is a reason why they are always standing where they are at the end of every year, and it certainly does not have anything to do with them playing in weaker conferences or getting to play their back ups more because of blowouts. It's because success breeds success. Over time these programs have been built to breed success with great recruiting, good coaching, and their players developing that winning swagger. It is the same formula that the Lyco and WU teams of old used for so many years, and more recently has worked for Del Val. I would warn other posters to be careful what you ask for with inviting MCU to your conference. Trust me. Their dominance would not change. A few games might be closer, but they are on a different level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 23, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 23, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
Skunk -
I am not sure that anyone with knowledge the MAC, the east region, or for that matter D3 believes that any of our teams are currently in the same category as the teams that Dlip mentioned. As for perennials like UMHB, Wesley, White Water, Linfield, and MCU, in the words of Dennis Green, " they are who we thought they are."  There is a reason why they are always standing where they are at the end of every year, and it certainly does not have anything to do with them playing in weaker conferences or getting to play their back ups more because of blowouts. It's because success breeds success. Over time these programs have been built to breed success with great recruiting, good coaching, and their players developing that winning swagger. It is the same formula that the Lyco and WU teams of old used for so many years, and more recently has worked for Del Val. I would warn other posters to be careful what you ask for with inviting MCU to your conference. Trust me. Their dominance would not change. A few games might be closer, but they are on a different level.
Couldn't have said that better myself... just because Mount Union is destroying their conference doesn't mean their conference is weaker than any other... nor does it mean they wouldn't do the same in any other conference they would be in... in fact what they are doing this year is near record-breaking.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on October 23, 2012, 11:02:47 PM
D Mac
I must admit. I have not had this much fun on this board in years. Going back and forth has been rather entertaining. First, Your most recent post certainly speaks to my misunderstanding concerning your defense of the fake punt. Though I still feel it was a bush league play. I can understand your defense to the unsportsmanlike comment or nature if that was not the call.

Second, I do not know of many if any WU fans or Alum that have tried to defend the 90 points against Wilkes.

Also, I would like to thank you for your recent defensive lesson, and honestly, it does speak to your knowledge of the game. However, I would also caution you about making assumption about people's knowledge concerning the game of football and in particular defense. Having both played and coached on the defensive side of the ball at the college level I also believe that I have a fairly good understanding of a defensive system and game plan. Furthermore, having a relative on the defensive side of the ball allows me to get a little inside knowledge of both the WU defensive  system and weekly game plan. I will simply state that WU likes to hide many of their coverages and zone blitzes prior to the snap by showing or hiding their coverage in one or two similar alignments and then adjusting and attacking post snap.

Most action on this board in a while!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 24, 2012, 01:40:29 AM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 23, 2012, 11:02:47 PM
D Mac
I must admit. I have not had this much fun on this board in years. Going back and forth has been rather entertaining. First, Your most recent post certainly speaks to my misunderstanding concerning your defense of the fake punt. Though I still feel it was a bush league play. I can understand your defense to the unsportsmanlike comment or nature if that was not the call.

Second, I do not know of many if any WU fans or Alum that have tried to defend the 90 points against Wilkes.

Also, I would like to thank you for your recent defensive lesson, and honestly, it does speak to your knowledge of the game. However, I would also caution you about making assumption about people's knowledge concerning the game of football and in particular defense. Having both played and coached on the defensive side of the ball at the college level I also believe that I have a fairly good understanding of a defensive system and game plan. Furthermore, having a relative on the defensive side of the ball allows me to get a little inside knowledge of both the WU defensive  system and weekly game plan. I will simply state that WU likes to hide many of their coverages and zone blitzes prior to the snap by showing or hiding their coverage in one or two similar alignments and then adjusting and attacking post snap.

Most action on this board in a while!
With a name like WUDLINE - I pretty much knew you had some background, but you seemed to indicate to me you wanted proof: Lastly, Not sure how a defense shows "run."

While I know defenses can scheme and hide things (I live in Ravens territory and have been a fan of theirs and the Bears)... but it didn't seem like Widener hid that much... especially since it seemed Stevenson was having success checking out of things. I wasn't the only one who felt that way. My broadcast partner is a former assistant at some local colleges like Salisbury, Delaware State, and Howard... and he was the one who commented on it the most (and he will criticize Stevenson).

Anyway, I am enjoying the banter as well. I have been disappointed that the boards have been so quiet.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on October 24, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on October 23, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: SUADC on October 23, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 22, 2012, 10:10:56 PM

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

Now, I believe that the MUC has all the talent in the world to go to the Stagg bowl. However, with them blowing teams out in the OAC, can you really consider the conference the second best conference, when MUC blowsout the conference third best team? Nevertheless, with them blowing teams out, which allows its starters to finish games by the second quarter. It is only safe to say that, when playoffs come around that teams that come from the MAC and such, face adverse situations when playing a team such as MUC in the playoffs, due to nagging injuries (result of competitive games throughout the whole season) and film that shows majority of the MUC backups playing. However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

Dude...are you serious right now?  You posted in another thread that UMHB is the only team that proved they are the top dog this year.  Yah...go with that theory.  It always amazes me when a poster gets the "hate Mount" groove on. 

Just sad.......but understandable.

Definitely do not hate on them, they have a great team no doubt. As far as being sad, its my opinion that I feel UMHB has been the only proven team this year thus far that should be top dog. Again, my opinion. Regardless, it's no theory, haven't scientfically looked at anything.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 24, 2012, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: SUADC on October 24, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on October 23, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: SUADC on October 23, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 22, 2012, 10:10:56 PM

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

Now, I believe that the MUC has all the talent in the world to go to the Stagg bowl. However, with them blowing teams out in the OAC, can you really consider the conference the second best conference, when MUC blowsout the conference third best team? Nevertheless, with them blowing teams out, which allows its starters to finish games by the second quarter. It is only safe to say that, when playoffs come around that teams that come from the MAC and such, face adverse situations when playing a team such as MUC in the playoffs, due to nagging injuries (result of competitive games throughout the whole season) and film that shows majority of the MUC backups playing. However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

Dude...are you serious right now?  You posted in another thread that UMHB is the only team that proved they are the top dog this year.  Yah...go with that theory.  It always amazes me when a poster gets the "hate Mount" groove on. 

Just sad.......but understandable.

Definitely do not hate on them, they have a great team no doubt. As far as being sad, its my opinion that I feel UMHB has been the only proven team this year thus far that should be top dog. Again, my opinion. Regardless, it's no theory, haven't scientfically looked at anything.

SUADC

This dude Skunks has been trolling around the boards (ripping anyone that doesn't acknowledge MU as being kings of the universe)...don't give him the time of day...your opinion is your opinion..

My opinion is the Mount Union's unis are ugly...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 25, 2012, 11:08:44 AM
Quote from: SUADC on October 24, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
Quote from: skunks_sidekick on October 23, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: SUADC on October 23, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on October 22, 2012, 10:10:56 PM

dlip has a point that the top of the MAC doesn't compare with Mount Union, UMHB, Linfield and maybe with Wesley, St. Thomas and others. So, if Widener is showing issues with MAC teams... a deep playoff run is a major question mark. Even teams like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins in this region may be their Achilles heal.

Now, I believe that the MUC has all the talent in the world to go to the Stagg bowl. However, with them blowing teams out in the OAC, can you really consider the conference the second best conference, when MUC blowsout the conference third best team? Nevertheless, with them blowing teams out, which allows its starters to finish games by the second quarter. It is only safe to say that, when playoffs come around that teams that come from the MAC and such, face adverse situations when playing a team such as MUC in the playoffs, due to nagging injuries (result of competitive games throughout the whole season) and film that shows majority of the MUC backups playing. However, they have dominated, which definitely counts for a lot, but could they do that in CCIW, E8, NWC, and WIAC?

Dude...are you serious right now?  You posted in another thread that UMHB is the only team that proved they are the top dog this year.  Yah...go with that theory.  It always amazes me when a poster gets the "hate Mount" groove on. 

Just sad.......but understandable.

Definitely do not hate on them, they have a great team no doubt. As far as being sad, its my opinion that I feel UMHB has been the only proven team this year thus far that should be top dog. Again, my opinion. Regardless, it's no theory, haven't scientfically looked at anything.

+1 for proper reference to the term theory from a science teacher.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 25, 2012, 09:02:47 PM
enjoy this weeks games as the way this storm is modeled and projected some places might not have power the following weekend let alone a bog for grass fields...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on October 26, 2012, 07:25:48 AM
Quote from: PBR... on October 25, 2012, 09:02:47 PM
enjoy this weeks games as the way this storm is modeled and projected some places might not have power the following weekend let alone a bog for grass fields...

Brought to you in part by PBR, your trusty doomsday weather man.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 26, 2012, 11:25:39 AM
Unfortunately... PBR may be right... the storm may linger for more of next week... may cause major problems.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 28, 2012, 09:06:07 AM
Well, now Del Val finishes up this regular season with the WU's - Wilkes University on Sat. the 3rd and Widener University on the 10th.   Hardly two opponents they can overlook!   Best luck, Aggies, in both games.  An exciting end to the MAC 2012  playing season, and hopefully a preview to an equally exciting post season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 28, 2012, 04:26:38 PM
Widener just continues to pull off comeback wins. Dlip is getting less and less impressed with the Pride's D but there is definitely something to say regarding this team's resiliency. They never give up. As annoyed as dlip was with their 90 point game dlip can't help but respect the fight in this team! Congrats on thw in over a pretty good Albright team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 30, 2012, 03:39:22 PM
Tired of comebacks...making me old...
Title: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 01, 2012, 12:28:58 PM
Just saw Marist canceled their game this weekend due to san diego st. not being able to get flights in to poughkeepsie. Not that is a factor for D3 teams but the shear destruction on the east coast is unreal. DVC has canceled classes all week and just got power back late last night. Many roads are still closed in PA. Many still without power and I know its that way in NJ and NY as well. No idea what games might be canceled this weekend and who might play....makes football secondary with so much suffering.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 01, 2012, 02:49:18 PM
Widener and FDU-Florham have already cancelled. I wonder what that does to the tie breaker scenario since a three-way tie between Del Val, Widener and Lycoming will be mathematically impossible.  But as PBR indicates, there are much bigger problems to worry about post-storm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 01, 2012, 02:56:15 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 01, 2012, 02:49:18 PM
Widener and FDU-Florham have already cancelled. I wonder what that does to the tie breaker scenario since a three-way tie between Del Val, Widener and Lycoming will be mathematically impossible.  But as PBR indicates, there are much bigger problems to worry about post-storm.

Gordon you and I might be the only ones with power currently...    :)   sad to say that statement probably has a lot of truth to it....  :-\
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 01, 2012, 09:48:29 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 01, 2012, 02:49:18 PM
Widener and FDU-Florham have already cancelled. I wonder what that does to the tie breaker scenario since a three-way tie between Del Val, Widener and Lycoming will be mathematically impossible.  But as PBR indicates, there are much bigger problems to worry about post-storm.

I was going to ask how that affected the SOS calculations...not necesarily from the MAC, but anywhere where SOS if factored as a tiebreaker.  Theoretically, WU benefits from not having the game(if all MAC Games were cancelled)...since the game would negatively impact them.   Would they factor them as an opponent since it wasn't scheduled, or would it be left out?

Hope all is well in the MAC community after the storm.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2012, 12:06:23 AM
It isn't a game, so it has no effect on anyone's SOS.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 02, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
I've heard that the FDU-Florham cancellation also will have no impact on the potential three-way tiebreaker with Del Val and Lycoming.  If Del Val beats Wilkes and Lyco beats Stevenson, the three way tie will still be in play, despite Widener's record not being even.  The conference will consider Widener's cancelled game over FDU Florham as a win and the previously discussed tiebreakers will still apply.

That strikes me as the fairest conclusion.  Not granting Widener a phantom win over FDU would eliminate Del Val from the tiebreaker situation.  Similarly, if Del Val can't play Wilkes -- and the stadium didn't have power as of yesterday though the game is still scheduled -- that would eliminate Lycoming from the three-way tie breaker situation.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 02, 2012, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 02, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
I've heard that the FDU-Florham cancellation also will have no impact on the potential three-way tiebreaker with Del Val and Lycoming.  If Del Val beats Wilkes and Lyco beats Stevenson, the three way tie will still be in play, despite Widener's record not being even.  The conference will consider Widener's cancelled game over FDU Florham as a win and the previously discussed tiebreakers will still apply.

That strikes me as the fairest conclusion.  Not granting Widener a phantom win over FDU would eliminate Del Val from the tiebreaker situation.  Similarly, if Del Val can't play Wilkes -- and the stadium didn't have power as of yesterday though the game is still scheduled -- that would eliminate Lycoming from the three-way tie breaker situation.
That's good news.  The conference should be settled on the field, and not by league decisions.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 04, 2012, 09:39:13 AM
big game this weekend in widener.  looks like del val has fixed some of the problems they had in weeks 1 and 2 and are playing like some thought they would at the beginning of the season.  saw a post by gordon elsewhere that the starting d has only given up 1 td since week 2 and that was after an interception inside the 20 against leb val.  widener has struggled against the 3 teams considered to also be top tier in the mac, lyco, leb val and albright, needing almost miracle comebacks to win the lyco and leb val games.  if del val has made some adjustments on offense from what i saw against rowan in week 1 then i think they will win this game.  widener's offense was kept in check by both lyco and leb for most of the game, if del val's defense continues it's stellar play i expect widener to struggle scoring again.  i am looking forward to the game since it is my shortest trip of the season.  i know who lyco is cheering for, del val winning < 16.

gordon, i will try to stop up and see you before the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2012, 08:39:14 PM
Cool.  The key to Del Val's offensive success is the offensive line.  They need to give Wilmer time.

It's my shortest trip, too. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2012, 08:39:59 PM
BMan, if you'll be at the game, let me know where and I'll stop by and say hello.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
Gordon

I will be there...

I will be wearing a Nebraska cap...guaranteed there won't be many of those there, so should be fairly easy to spot me...

see ya then



Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 05, 2012, 07:37:34 PM
bman, i will look you up also.  i will almost surely be the only person in attendance wearing a wesley sweatshirt.  should be a good game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 06, 2012, 11:56:36 AM
Wesleydad

It will be nice to finally meet you as well.   There will be a few other MAC posters there as well.   I'll do my best on the introductions...

Hoping fo a great game..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 07, 2012, 05:48:24 AM
Go Aggies - er, but just not too much - a two touchdown win would be a nice, early birthday present.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 07, 2012, 05:48:24 AM
Go Aggies - er, but just not too much - a two touchdown win would be a nice, early birthday present.

ATB

It's fundamentally wrong that anyone from Lyco should root for Del Val or WU, regardless of the circumstances... 
I know when Lyco plays Del Val, I root for them BOTH to lose... ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2012, 04:20:07 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 07, 2012, 05:48:24 AM
Go Aggies - er, but just not too much - a two touchdown win would be a nice, early birthday present.

ATB

It's fundamentally wrong that anyone from Lyco should root for Del Val or WU, regardless of the circumstances... 
I know when Lyco plays Del Val, I root for them BOTH to lose... ;D

Hah! to the extent I care -- and it ain't  much -- that's kind of like my sentiments about the NFL: I pull for any team playing the Cowboys.  :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on November 07, 2012, 04:22:33 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2012, 04:20:07 PM
Hah! to the extent I care -- and it ain't  much -- that's kind of like my sentiments about the NFL: I pull for any team playing the Cowboys.  :P

+K, I aggree
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 07, 2012, 05:24:56 PM
Hello SUADC - i don't "aggree" with you or Warren - i DO care about our MAC teams, especially for this last week of the season!   I think it would be great if each one of us had an ECAC game with out of league opponents!   Hope every player stays healthy this coming weekend!   We should appreciate & care about every MAC team!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 08, 2012, 09:09:40 AM
Quote from: kate on November 07, 2012, 05:24:56 PM
Hello SUADC - i don't "aggree" with you or Warren - i DO care about our MAC teams, especially for this last week of the season!   

Kate: you've missed the point of my post. I didn't mention the MAC at all, but I did reference the NFL and the Cowboys in particular.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 08, 2012, 12:01:01 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2012, 04:20:07 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 07, 2012, 05:48:24 AM
Go Aggies - er, but just not too much - a two touchdown win would be a nice, early birthday present.

ATB

It's fundamentally wrong that anyone from Lyco should root for Del Val or WU, regardless of the circumstances... 
I know when Lyco plays Del Val, I root for them BOTH to lose... ;D

Hah! to the extent I care -- and it ain't  much -- that's kind of like my sentiments about the NFL: I pull for any team playing the Cowboys.  :P

Warren

Isn't it a criminal offense for a Texan to root against the Cowboys? ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 08, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
bman: it is indeed a "criminal [possibly capital!] offense" for a Texan not to pull for the Cowboys. Hence I live in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania, a state with no extradition treaty with Texas.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 08, 2012, 10:35:16 PM
really looking forward to the del val/widener game this weekend.  saw del val in week 1 and widener in their scrimmage against wesley.  i think del val wins based on the results against lyco and leb val.  i know, i know, widener won both of them, but had to score 14 pts in the last 5 mins in both games, not likely to happen against del val.  can del val win by 16, to do so they need to keep widener under 13, not sure if they can do that.  lyco could get the AQ and widener ruins someone elses pool c chances.  either 1 could end up with a second round trip to alliance, enjoy that one.  be nice to meet some more d3 fans, bman et al, and of course gordon.  see you all saturday.  bman, any tailgating?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 09, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
I just really think playing that transitive game of this team beat this team by this much and so on doesn't hold much water. Time and Time again the results against common teams just are thrown out the window. Look at the Wheaton/Elmhurst/North Central triangle, for one example. I think the ability to come back is a strength and they are an adversity tested team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 09, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
All good points and true pg04 but teams can only play the comeback card for so long until it bites them in the ass like Mcgruff the crime dog. Tougher competition may prove to not break down and allow any openings for comebacks. Come playoff time the top level of competitiom knows how to win.

I do however have gained much respect for Widener and their ability to handle adversity. Man if that team had a more consistent defense they would be almost unstoppable.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 09, 2012, 11:57:15 AM
DVC takin' care of business this weekend.....Defense needs to carry the day and shut them down. I think the DVC O can score 17-21 points but it's up to the D to set the tone and shut down W's offense.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on November 09, 2012, 12:17:43 PM
Having played against both teams in the past, Delaware Valley more recently, I believe Delaware Valley goes as far as its defense and Widener goes as far as its Offense. Since I was a defensive guy, I like to see Defenses excel. But, not so fast, Widener did make some big time defensive plays in those comebacks. So, I think Widener has been relentless in fighting to win games all season, Widener wins by 4.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 10, 2012, 08:06:07 AM
Gordon/Wesleydad
Apologies, but I most likely will not be able to make the (one game I really wanted to see this season) WU/Del Val game.   Unfortunately have a work issue going on, and at this point, doubt, I'll have it resolved by game time.  If I do, I'll shoot you both a note as to where I am(in the stadium), but it looks bleak right now.

If I can't make it, please have safe travels to and from Chester, and I hope you get to see a barn burner!(With WU winning of course).

Wesleydad, there is a tailgate of former players (mid eighties), that is taking place in the neighborhood outside Swartz center.  Don't have much details (I told them I couldnt make it), but I'll pass them on shortly...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 10, 2012, 08:52:37 AM
bman, sorry to hear that you cant make it.  i think it is going to be a good one.  thanks for the tailgate info.  i plan on heading in to the stadium early to stop and see gordon before the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 10, 2012, 11:17:34 AM
Bummer, BMan.

Maybe I'll see you at a Widener playoff game this fall.  Today's results pending of course.  Take care.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 10, 2012, 12:43:52 PM
Gordon - I love hearing the "Test 1 2 3 4" 100 times:)!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 10, 2012, 04:13:17 PM
Ha.  So you're the one who tunes in that early. ;)

Congrats to the Widener Pride.  A lot of talent on their team, besides Haupt.  Make the MAC pride, er proud.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 10, 2012, 04:49:14 PM
extremly sloppy game, widener played bad, del val played worse.  mistakes all over the place.  congrats to widener for winning the mac. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 10, 2012, 04:55:30 PM
Gordon

Great braodcast...enjoyed your work immensely...made working tolerable...

Sounded like both teams need some work on eliminating turnovers...

Wesleydad...maybe we'll get a Wesley/WU playoff down the line...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 10, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Thanks, Bman.

Glad I could give you a way to enjoy the title.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 11, 2012, 07:08:06 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 10, 2012, 04:49:14 PM
extremly sloppy game, widener played bad, del val played worse.  mistakes all over the place.  congrats to widener for winning the mac.

wd what is your overall impression of Widener? This is the first time you have seen them right? Do you think they have a chance to win a game or two in the tourney? dlip always respects your thoughts and assessments of D3 teams. He is curious on your more detailed take on the Pride.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 11, 2012, 08:52:06 AM
dlip, it was the first time i saw them in regular season.  i did see the scrimmage they had with wesley so i had an idea of what i would see yesterday.  the game was ugly from the start.  del val had a good d scheme and almost intercepted a short pass, which widener does almost all day.  the snap for the punt barely gets off the ground, the kicker tries to kick it off the ground sending it back to the 5 and del val scores.  widener forced to punt again, pin del val inside 5.  del val qb throws perfect fly pattern ball which is dropped, 2 plays later ball slips out of qb hands in end zone recovered by widener.  7 - 7.  the game never got much cleaner from there.  as far as widener and their chances of winning a game or 2.  i think it will all depend on who they play.  the defense can be run and thrown on, del val had to have at least 6 or more drops.  the front 4 is pretty good and they put pressure on del val qb most of the day.  i am baffled as to how they score so many points.  the rb's a small but run hard.  the passing game is mostly short passes which del val covered well intercepting 3.  the 2 plays that killed del val came in the 4th quarter when they closed the game to 28 - 23.  widener facing 4th and 10 at the 40 or so and goes for it, pass route is a fly pattern and somehow the receiver is 5 yards behind the db for td.  similar play happens a little later to seal the game.  i think that if widener faces an athletic defense they will be in trouble, they scored 42 but 14 were by the defense, they had an int returned for td on just a horrible throw by del val qb.  take away the lapses by the db's on the other 2 plays i mentioned and they only score 14 on offense.  this is similar to their games with lyco and leb val.  del val had 23 and could have had 40, qb running naked boot for td and cramps up crumpling to ground, no points.  missed fg and several other drives that stalled, do not want to get into what i thought about the del val play calling all game.  the 1 thing they have to get credit for is they are resilient, they keep playing 60 mins and that is always a plus.  haupt is a nice qb and has a good arm.  if they do end up getting W&J as d3 projects i think they are in for a good one and could lose.  i dont think they can win 2 games from what i saw today, now that could have been just a bad game, but it is the same offense i saw in the scrimmage and they struggled against wesley.  they would be behind UMHB, Wesley, Salisbury, and maybe Rowan that I have seen live this year and think they would have a lot of trouble with LA Coll and Huntingdon who I saw Wesley play on video.  I would hope that bman can add something to your question since he has seen them all year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 11, 2012, 09:16:48 AM
Wesleydad, you are pretty much spot on in your assesment...only thing I will add, is that the WU WR(Davis), can domintae at times, and when WU get's in trouble with down and distance, they go to him, and he is capable of making a play...and he is capable of changing the game at any time...
D has been a concern all year.
I have enjoyed this year immensely, but while I'd love to see at least 1-2 win, given what WD stated below, there are plenty of tough teams all the way  through the seedings...
W&J scares me given the adversity they have faced this year, and they are always a tough game...(I've seen too much of them in the past...)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 11, 2012, 09:29:28 AM
Thanks for the great insight fellas! +k to you both!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 11, 2012, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: bman on November 11, 2012, 09:16:48 AM
Wesleydad, you are pretty much spot on in your assesment...only thing I will add, is that the WU WR(Davis), can domintae at times, and when WU get's in trouble with down and distance, they go to him, and he is capable of making a play...and he is capable of changing the game at any time...
D has been a concern all year.
I have enjoyed this year immensely, but while I'd love to see at least 1-2 win, given what WD stated below, there are plenty of tough teams all the way  through the seedings...
W&J scares me given the adversity they have faced this year, and they are always a tough game...(I've seen too much of them in the past...)

thanks for adding that bman, i believe he was the receiver they threw 2 on both plays i mentioned and yes he can play.  gordon told me that at least 1 corner and safety are freshman which may have also led to the missed coverages, just not sure how they let that happen in those situations when they had to throw a longer ball to keep possession.  if i compare rowan to widener against del val, i give the edge to rowan since they held del val to 14 in game 1.  i know the season changes and that might not be the best comparison but that is all i have from what i have seen live.  i wish i would have had the chance to see the rowan/kean game but the hurricane ruined that.  widener is a nice team and going undefeated is tough no matter who you play and the mac is a tough league.  matchups will really matter for them to win 1 or 2 games, but they do have the talent to do so if they catch the right teams.  enjoy next week, i may end up there since i dont think wesley is going to have a tough first round game and i am not a fan of blowouts even when it is the team i cheer for winning.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 11, 2012, 09:33:02 PM
well bman, widener could not have gotten an easier 1st round game.  i will see if i have a clue since i thing that both salisbury and rowan are better than the pride in week 2.  my choices for games, widener blowing out bridgewater, wesley blowing out mt ida, or the longest drive to the best game, salisbury/rowan.  ugghhh, the ncaa sucks.  good luck this week, dont think you need much.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2012, 10:41:52 AM
How does the NCAA suck? Mount Union, Wesley, and Widener are clearly the higher "seeds." What did Salisbury and Rowan do to not deserve playing one another?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 12, 2012, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2012, 10:41:52 AM
How does the NCAA suck? Mount Union, Wesley, and Widener are clearly the higher "seeds." What did Salisbury and Rowan do to not deserve playing one another?

no complaints about mount, wesley, or widener seeds.  i just think the rowan/salisbury game seems like a second round game.  also would have liked to see a more competitive game for wesley and widener.  the teams from the ecfc and nefc are just not competitive on a national scale.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 12, 2012, 10:52:49 AM
WesleyDad there are only a few truly competitive teams to go around, and you don't want them playing in the first round. I agree two bids to the NEFC is lame, but it's really only 1 team out of 32 that we are legitimately griping about (or 1 out of 7 that were discretionary). That's not bad at all.

The first round is going to have blowouts. The AQ system pretty much ensures it. Just enjoy this week, root for upsets to make it interesting (go Generals!) and then wait for the final 8 when it gets to be the best football. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 12, 2012, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: jknezek on November 12, 2012, 10:52:49 AM
WesleyDad there are only a few truly competitive teams to go around, and you don't want them playing in the first round. I agree two bids to the NEFC is lame, but it's really only 1 team out of 32 that we are legitimately griping about (or 1 out of 7 that were discretionary). That's not bad at all.

The first round is going to have blowouts. The AQ system pretty much ensures it. Just enjoy this week, root for upsets to make it interesting (go Generals!) and then wait for the final 8 when it gets to be the best football.

guys, the ncaa sucks comment is not a complaint about the playoffs.  i like the way things go in d3.  just wish that what i think are 2 of the top 16 teams did not have to play in round 1.  i figured they may have to play each other when the east and south imploded.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 12, 2012, 11:31:11 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2012, 10:41:52 AM
How does the NCAA suck? Mount Union, Wesley, and Widener are clearly the higher "seeds." What did Salisbury and Rowan do to not deserve playing one another?

The NCAA sucks because the NCAA sucks, period. For a body that oversees three divisions of sports they are as out of touch with reality as a governing body could be. dlip does feel that their selection process for D3 is pretty good overall, but to allow two NEFC teams into the field (may not be the end of the world) but clearly represents how are out of touch they are with the reality of D3 football (to some extent).

dlip also concurrs with the Rowan/Salisbury match-up. As a fan of the east he would have liked to see them spread out just because he feels they represent the east quite well. For an east fan it is a shame one of them has to be eliminated in round 1. However, looking at the process the match-up makes sense (in terms of the commitee picking it) and dlip has no problem with it in regards to that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2012, 11:46:08 AM
dlip and wesleydad - you should listen to the Pat Coleman podcast with committee chair Brad Bankston... it may answer many of the questions you have. You can find it on the front page of D3football.com.

And there is only so much you can do with that Salisbury/Rowan game... I don't think there is any where else you can put those two teams when you consider travel, expenses, etc. The eastern half of the division has a lot of schools that got in and that usually means challenges for brackets.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 12, 2012, 11:48:34 AM
Personally, I think the matchup between Rowan and Salisbury in the first round is right, even outside of "travel reasons" -- I don't think either deserved an easier game or that they are both in the top 16 of the country (just my opinion though, and I don't side with the NCAA too often  :P).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2012, 12:02:21 PM
Agreed. Salisbury and Rowan each lost regional games and this 4-5 type game is the right place for them.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 12, 2012, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 12, 2012, 11:48:34 AM
Personally, I think the matchup between Rowan and Salisbury in the first round is right, even outside of "travel reasons" -- I don't think either deserved an easier game or that they are both in the top 16 of the country (just my opinion though, and I don't side with the NCAA too often  :P).

guess we will not be able to find out if they are in the top 16 in the country since 1 will lose on saturday.  i also get the 4 - 5 match up and it makes sense that they are in it in the bracket they are in.  i just agree with dlip in that i think both teams would beat half the field that is in today.  i didnt say they should have gotten an easier game just feel it is a shame that they have to play each other in round 1.  this is my opinion about these 2 teams, i dont think the ncaa sucks, just that it sucks that these teams have to play in the first round.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 12, 2012, 02:59:05 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 11, 2012, 09:33:02 PM
well bman, widener could not have gotten an easier 1st round game.  i will see if i have a clue since i thing that both salisbury and rowan are better than the pride in week 2.  my choices for games, widener blowing out bridgewater, wesley blowing out mt ida, or the longest drive to the best game, salisbury/rowan.  ugghhh, the ncaa sucks.  good luck this week, dont think you need much.

Wesleydad
I'll stay away from making any commentary around Bridgewater, since I don't know the program...  My initial impression on the matchup was that I didn't hate it...(and I have hated some of WU's seedings before...:)  )

The nice thing about the bracket, is that (if WU wins round1) I get to see a great game in round 2, whether that be Rowan or SU...the fans locally will win either way, since it's a great matchup.

What I do know is that WU needs to eliminate the sloppy play and turnovers quickly...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2012, 03:24:31 PM
Does anybody know why Lycoming did not get an ECAC game with an 8-2 record?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on November 12, 2012, 03:36:26 PM
Yes - they are not a member school of the ECAC and therefore not eligible for an invitation.

17 seconds was the difference - and Coach Clark elected to throw on third down giving Widener 1:23 to win - AND THEY DID.  UGH!

Great season for the Warriors but a very dissatisfying end all the same.

Playoffs are the best. 

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 12, 2012, 03:37:04 PM
Quote from: bman on November 12, 2012, 02:59:05 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 11, 2012, 09:33:02 PM
well bman, widener could not have gotten an easier 1st round game.  i will see if i have a clue since i thing that both salisbury and rowan are better than the pride in week 2.  my choices for games, widener blowing out bridgewater, wesley blowing out mt ida, or the longest drive to the best game, salisbury/rowan.  ugghhh, the ncaa sucks.  good luck this week, dont think you need much.

Wesleydad
I'll stay away from making any commentary around Bridgewater, since I don't know the program...  My initial impression on the matchup was that I didn't hate it...(and I have hated some of WU's seedings before...:)  )

The nice thing about the bracket, is that (if WU wins round1) I get to see a great game in round 2, whether that be Rowan or SU...the fans locally will win either way, since it's a great matchup.

What I do know is that WU needs to eliminate the sloppy play and turnovers quickly...

bman, yes, you will have a real good one in week 2 if widener wins week 1.  agree that the sloppy play has to be eliminated or this week will be a tough one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 12, 2012, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: Lyco80 on November 12, 2012, 03:36:26 PM
Yes - they are not a member school of the ECAC and therefore not eligible for an invitation.

17 seconds was the difference - and Coach Clark elected to throw on third down giving Widener 1:23 to win - AND THEY DID.  UGH!

Great season for the Warriors but a very dissatisfying end all the same.

Playoffs are the best. 

ATB

So then the million dollar question...WHY are they not an ECAC member?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 12, 2012, 09:08:28 PM
Congrats to the W on the MAC Championship, go represent the MAC well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DelcoD3 on November 12, 2012, 10:01:16 PM
I believe Lycoming chooses not to play in an ECAC game. Schools can apply for these right? I've heard they just prefer not to apply for the ECACs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 12, 2012, 10:08:12 PM
It's more than that.

Some schools that are members of the ECAC choose not to participate in some playoffs, like the NESCAC schools.  But Lycoming isn't a member of the ECAC at all. I don't know why.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 13, 2012, 12:08:19 AM
They probably don't want to pay the ECAC dues.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 13, 2012, 01:23:06 AM
Don't forget, too, that the ECAC post-season is paid for by each individual institution... travel, hotels, meals, etc. Those are paid for or reimbursed by the NCAA. There are only about 150 schools who are in the ECAC compared to 443 schools in the NCAA.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 15, 2012, 09:37:25 AM
Best luck on Saturday to the Del Val Aggies taking on Muhlenberg in an ECAC South game in Allentown!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 23, 2012, 01:50:09 PM
I am rolling up to Chester tomorrow for the WU/SU showdown.   I will have my normal Nebraska "N" cap on.  Anyone from the boards that wants to stop by and chat, please do...
Good luck to both teams, and safe travels for those coming into town...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 23, 2012, 04:00:45 PM
bman:

The world -- well, some of it -- wants to know why you normally wear a "Nebraska 'N' cap" instead of a bright blue "Widener 'W' cap."  :o [Do you maybe have 'Husker roots?]
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 23, 2012, 04:26:04 PM
Warren

A very fair question.

To be brief...yes, I have some connections in Nebraska, that have had me following the Huskers for the better part of my life...and I have always loved the style of Nebraska football under Osbourne (not so much these days)...

And you have to admit, when you wear a Nebraska hat (with a Widener hoodie) to a Widener game, you're fairly easy to spot...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 23, 2012, 06:26:42 PM
Quote from: bman on November 23, 2012, 04:26:04 PM
Warren:

And you have to admit, when you wear a Nebraska hat (with a Widener hoodie) to a Widener game, you're fairly easy to spot...

And, of course, if you wore a Widener hoodie and a Lyco or Del Valley hat to a Widener game, you just might be even easier to spot ....  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 23, 2012, 09:48:43 PM
bman, good luck tomorrow.  i think widener may be in trouble, but one never knows.  the ball bounces funny ways.  have to make the trip to wesley eventhough the game 10 mins away may be a better one.  just cant miss the possible last home game of the year, well unless all kinds of craziness happens.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on November 24, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
Good Luck Widener next week and don't let nobody say you can't, because today you proved many people wrong. I'll be cheering you on. Let's show the North that you guys are for real.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 24, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: SUADC on November 24, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
Good Luck Widener next week and don't let nobody say you can't, because today you prove many people wrong. I'll be cheering you on. Let's show the North that you guys are for real.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.  +K  It will take alot to overcome the next obstacle...but would love to see it happen!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 24, 2012, 09:38:40 PM
Whatever happens next weekend, congrats to Widener on a great postseason showing. Very impressive W today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 24, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Congrats to Ike, Fett, and the staff at Widener.  I didn't think it would take too long to get things going there...Widener wants to win, and fully supports its program.  Great job!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 25, 2012, 07:56:21 AM
congrats to widener for the run in the playoffs.  you have certainly solidified your ranking by your play so far.  now you get to take on the mighty mount.  good luck next week, enjoy the experience and give them a game, they will certainly be happy about it if you do since they have not had anyone step up so far and challenge them.  really nice people in alliance, have fun.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SU Backer on November 25, 2012, 09:34:44 AM
 Congrats to Widener, now pulling for you guys to win it all!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on November 25, 2012, 06:08:11 PM
Nice job against the Gulls. I said if you play with Pride you would win. I also said you would by (7). I was wrong.  ;D

Good luck in Alliance. I went there as a Montclair fan a few years ago. As wesleydad said the people in Alliance are good guys. You fans have to go to the Sat AM Buffet and the HOF. Playing there will do your program a lot of good. Good Luck and remrmber fairy tales do come true. Represent the East well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DE Wesley Fan on November 26, 2012, 02:40:16 PM
Best of luck to Widener this week - I think it's fair to say that everyone in Delaware is pulling for you to knock off the big boys.  I second the recommendation that you try to squeeze in a trip to Canton for anyone going to the game who hasn't been to the HOF before - would be a shame to be so close and miss it (and the hotel selection is better there!).  Good luck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: K-Mack on November 28, 2012, 11:00:04 PM
Interesting that the game was chippy but the SU fans are on here backing Widener now.

Guess everybody wants to see Mount Union knocked off :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bluenote on November 29, 2012, 01:24:37 AM
What town and state are u guys in?

Bluenote
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 29, 2012, 01:54:47 AM
Quote from: Bluenote on November 29, 2012, 01:24:37 AM
What town and state are u guys in?

Bluenote

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Widener/2012/index
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 29, 2012, 09:05:48 AM
Quote from: Bluenote on November 29, 2012, 01:24:37 AM
What town and state are u guys in?

Bluenote

Bluenote

I see Pat's response.  To be more specific, Widener's address is in Chester PA...however, it borders Chester and Upland PA.   It is basically on the Delaware river, on the eastern edge of PA, bordering New Jersey.
If you want to visit, just don't wander into Chester by yourself at night (without weapons)...:)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 29, 2012, 09:26:04 AM
Hey, does anyone know what color the sun is?  I could google it, but i'd rather just come in here and ask.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on November 29, 2012, 09:37:21 AM
Quote from: K-Mack on November 28, 2012, 11:00:04 PM
Interesting that the game was chippy but the SU fans are on here backing Widener now.

Guess everybody wants to see Mount Union knocked off :)

The game was chippy and it hurt the Gulls. However, everybody likes to root for the underdog and anybody this year playing UMU is the underdog. Also, I am east/south bias anyway.  ;D

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 29, 2012, 10:34:46 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 29, 2012, 09:26:04 AM
Hey, does anyone know what color the sun is?  I could google it, but i'd rather just come in here and ask.

Your response is similar to the one I refrained from making.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 29, 2012, 12:26:16 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 29, 2012, 09:26:04 AM
Hey, does anyone know what color the sun is?  I could google it, but i'd rather just come in here and ask.
+K

I guess I'll never ask you directions to the Ruck... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on November 29, 2012, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: bman on November 29, 2012, 12:26:16 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 29, 2012, 09:26:04 AM
Hey, does anyone know what color the sun is?  I could google it, but i'd rather just come in here and ask.
+K

I guess I'll never ask you directions to the Ruck... ::)

I believe the Ruck is right next door to an old wooden ship.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 29, 2012, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 29, 2012, 09:26:04 AM
Hey, does anyone know what color the sun is?  I could google it, but i'd rather just come in here and ask.

****ing perfect! +k
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 29, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: bman on November 24, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: SUADC on November 24, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
Good Luck Widener next week and don't let nobody say you can't, because today you prove many people wrong. I'll be cheering you on. Let's show the North that you guys are for real.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.  +K  It will take alot to overcome the next obstacle...but would love to see it happen!

Mount fans are already worried about who the officials will be in the semi finals.  ::)

Best of luck to Widener! Go get 'em  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Yanks 99 on November 29, 2012, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 29, 2012, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: bman on November 29, 2012, 12:26:16 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on November 29, 2012, 09:26:04 AM
Hey, does anyone know what color the sun is?  I could google it, but i'd rather just come in here and ask.
+K

I guess I'll never ask you directions to the Ruck... ::)

I believe the Ruck is right next door to an old wooden ship.

Well, I could be wrong, but I believe The Ruck is right next to Club Diversity...which has been there since the Civil War era...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 29, 2012, 03:51:28 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 29, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: bman on November 24, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: SUADC on November 24, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
Good Luck Widener next week and don't let nobody say you can't, because today you prove many people wrong. I'll be cheering you on. Let's show the North that you guys are for real.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.  +K  It will take alot to overcome the next obstacle...but would love to see it happen!

Mount fans are already worried about who the officials will be in the semi finals.  ::)

Best of luck to Widener! Go get 'em  ;D

I love the NCAC officials already!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: purpled on November 29, 2012, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: bman on November 29, 2012, 03:51:28 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 29, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: bman on November 24, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: SUADC on November 24, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
Good Luck Widener next week and don't let nobody say you can't, because today you prove many people wrong. I'll be cheering you on. Let's show the North that you guys are for real.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.  +K  It will take alot to overcome the next obstacle...but would love to see it happen!

Mount fans are already worried about who the officials will be in the semi finals.  ::)

Best of luck to Widener! Go get 'em  ;D

I love the NCAC officials already!

Not worried at all...we take it one game at a time. For all you Pride fans making the trip...welcome to Alliance...and have a safe journey and we're both in luck...Saturday's forecast is partly cloudy and a high of 55. You'll be in the east stands which are open and more than likely Section 12. Good luck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 30, 2012, 11:46:43 AM
Quote from: purpled on November 29, 2012, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: bman on November 29, 2012, 03:51:28 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 29, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: bman on November 24, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: SUADC on November 24, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
Good Luck Widener next week and don't let nobody say you can't, because today you prove many people wrong. I'll be cheering you on. Let's show the North that you guys are for real.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.  +K  It will take alot to overcome the next obstacle...but would love to see it happen!

Mount fans are already worried about who the officials will be in the semi finals.  ::)

Best of luck to Widener! Go get 'em  ;D

I love the NCAC officials already!

Not worried at all...we take it one game at a time. For all you Pride fans making the trip...welcome to Alliance...and have a safe journey and we're both in luck...Saturday's forecast is partly cloudy and a high of 55. You'll be in the east stands which are open and more than likely Section 12. Good luck!

Purpled...thanks for the kind wishes...I would love to make the journey to Alliance, but I also like being married, so it's not going to happen for me... ::)
Hopefully the video stream will be crisp and clear
Good luck to your guys as well(although they don't need it as much as us!)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUKaz00 on November 30, 2012, 01:13:19 PM
Quote from: bman on November 30, 2012, 11:46:43 AM
Quote from: purpled on November 29, 2012, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: bman on November 29, 2012, 03:51:28 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 29, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: bman on November 24, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: SUADC on November 24, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
Good Luck Widener next week and don't let nobody say you can't, because today you prove many people wrong. I'll be cheering you on. Let's show the North that you guys are for real.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.  +K  It will take alot to overcome the next obstacle...but would love to see it happen!

Mount fans are already worried about who the officials will be in the semi finals.  ::)

Best of luck to Widener! Go get 'em  ;D

I love the NCAC officials already!

Not worried at all...we take it one game at a time. For all you Pride fans making the trip...welcome to Alliance...and have a safe journey and we're both in luck...Saturday's forecast is partly cloudy and a high of 55. You'll be in the east stands which are open and more than likely Section 12. Good luck!

Purpled...thanks for the kind wishes...I would love to make the journey to Alliance, but I also like being married, so it's not going to happen for me... ::)
Hopefully the video stream will be crisp and clear
Good luck to your guys as well(although they don't need it as much as us!)

Unless it's different from years past, UMU only has audio since they have a deal with their local sports network to air the games on tape delay.  The trip to Alliance is worth begging from the Mrs., but you're likely much farther away than we are in Mayberry.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2012, 04:31:51 PM
Widener is apparently producing its own video stream on-site.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on December 01, 2012, 09:27:13 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2012, 04:31:51 PM
Widener is apparently producing its own video stream on-site.

Nice!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 01, 2012, 03:22:55 PM
Mt. Union 72, Widener 17. Final

There just might be some knowing smiles in Wilkes-Barre.  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on December 01, 2012, 03:24:28 PM
Does this mean Wilkes would lose to Mount Union 162-0 or something?  :o :P
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 01, 2012, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: pg04 on December 01, 2012, 03:24:28 PM
Does this mean Wilkes would lose to Mount Union 162-0 or something?  :o :P

I've no idea. On the other hand, it might mean that Widener should drop football and take up intercollegiate knitting.  ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on December 01, 2012, 03:49:57 PM
Congrats to Wagner on a great season. Tough way to end it today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on December 01, 2012, 04:48:36 PM
Have to say I did not see the score of the MU - WU game coming.  Apparently Ohio football players are monsters who can devour, in one gulp, players from East of the Alleghenies.  Still - the MAC champ made it to the quarters - not too shabby.  Still remember the Lycoming - MU game in 1997 and how on the first kick-off the Mount Union guy just laughed after a Lyco starter hit him with his best shot - They are just playing at a totally different level than we are in the East - it is that complex and that simple.

Happy Holidays to all MAC posters and lurkers - and you know who you are too!

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: purpled on December 01, 2012, 06:32:48 PM
Widener players/fans...congrats on an excellent season! Coming into the quarters undefeated is no small task. I was not expecting the Pride to make those big mistakes which are bad against any team but against Mount those mistakes are a death wish. Is throwing the ball 64 times something you guys always do?

Happy Holidays everyone!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: purpled on December 01, 2012, 06:49:28 PM
Does anyone know what was up with one of your fans arguing with player/coaching personnel?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 01, 2012, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: purpled on December 01, 2012, 06:32:48 PM
Widener players/fans...congrats on an excellent season! Coming into the quarters undefeated is no small task. I was not expecting the Pride to make those big mistakes which are bad against any team but against Mount those mistakes are a death wish. Is throwing the ball 64 times something you guys always do?

Happy Holidays everyone!
Purpled
First off, thanks for coming to the MAC board to interact +K ...not many of your OAC brethern, bothered...

To answer your question, 64 pass plays is out of the norm for any team, but it is true the WU's offense is built around the pass. Hhowever, what was not normal was the complete lack of running game, and the total imbalance of run to pass.   I kind of expected that we would not run much, and I get the sense that coach Collins, realized that given the size and speed of the UMU defense, that it would be a waste of a down, however, not running at all, just put more pressure on the line, which was somewhat of an issue all day.
It was easy to see early in the game,that WU had difficulty moving the ball, while UMU methodically moved the ball down the field...
To be realistic, UMU was bigger and faster at almost every position, and I am somewhat grateful that coach Kehres, didn't run it up more...I really feel that UMU could have put up 100 if they really wanted to...
I almost feel (after watching today) that UMU could be competitive against some lesser 1AA teams.
Watching UMU (for fans of East teams) is like watching a horror movie...you know something bad is going to happen, but you just don't know when...
you say to yourself "Don't go into the basement with only a flashlight dummy"!  - (which is akin to "Don't throw a screen there!" or Don't throw if 40 yds downfield on a 2nd and 4"!), but when the carnage does occur, it's in a sense mesmerizing, and you can't turn away from it...
In anycase I am proud of the season that Widnener had, and now they definitively know what they need to have to compete at the next level...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 01, 2012, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: purpled on December 01, 2012, 06:49:28 PM
Does anyone know what was up with one of your fans arguing with player/coaching personnel?
nope, but there has unfortunately been somewhat of a history of that at WU

Given that we are metro Philadelphia, (and you know the history of the Eagles fans)....the likelihood of it happening are great ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 01, 2012, 07:55:05 PM
Quote from: dlip on December 01, 2012, 03:49:57 PM
Congrats to Wagner on a great season. Tough way to end it today.

Wagner?  That's a D-II school on Staten Island.  I will give Dlip a Dlipping pass on this after the beating Hobart took today, even if he is a Union fan.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 01, 2012, 07:56:02 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 01, 2012, 03:22:55 PM
Mt. Union 72, Widener 17. Final

There just might be some knowing smiles in Wilkes-Barre.  ;)

Karma can be a real bitch can't she Warren?   :D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: phil on December 01, 2012, 09:15:48 PM
A knowing smile from here in Texas after seeing that score! ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HScoach on December 01, 2012, 10:46:14 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 01, 2012, 07:56:02 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 01, 2012, 03:22:55 PM
Mt. Union 72, Widener 17. Final

There just might be some knowing smiles in Wilkes-Barre.  ;)

Karma can be a real bitch can't she Warren?   :D

Well, from my pressbox perch sitting right above the Widener fans, I did enjoy the irony of a fan base whose team beat an opponent 90-0 complaining about being on the wrong end of a big score. 

Widener is a good team that just into a buzzsaw today.   Mount has a nasty way of making good teams look really average if you make mistakes.  And if you're going to be one dimensional against Mount, it better not be a passing only offense.  The Mount D is built to defend the spread passing game that Widener plays.  We see that in the OAC a lot and practice against it every day.  The teams that give Mount trouble are those with size & strength up front with a strong running game as the D is built around speed, not size and strength up front.

I was impressed with A Davis at WR.  He's a stud.  And the Widener secondary played the Mount receivers much better than any team has this year.  Mount usually is a very vertical passing team but they couldn't get anyone free and had to switch to a more ball control underneath style.  Overall the Pride are a young team and if you can find a replacement QB and strengthen the O-line a little, I'm sure we'll see you in next year's playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: raiderpa on December 01, 2012, 11:11:04 PM
I echo the comments by HS Coach,  our resident Mount expert.  I mentioned to a couple Pride fans at the half that they had taken away our vertical passing game, and they looked at me incredulously...but seriously, they made Mount switch its attack, which no one has been able to do.  Fortunately, Mount has the versatility to change on the run as most teams cannot.  Burke gives them that option; for a sophomore he is amazingly mature and has a handle on the offense that usually takes much longer to grasp.  Anthony Davis is a great player and the qb did a decent job, I just wondered why Weidner got away from the three step drop and short passing game in the middle two quarters, it was effective.  I also liked wojohoweitz (sp)  he was a real tough competitor and was always around the ball.  The Weidner receiving corp was solid as well and I look for the Pride to be back in the thick of things with the youth they put on the field.  Finding a qb will be big.
Happy holidays to Pride fans, was nice to meet a few of you.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 01, 2012, 11:33:27 PM
Guys
Thanks for the feedback and the observations.  It is a young team overall, but recruiting replacements for the key losses will be critical.  Hopefully they can build on the momentum.
Interesting to hear your comments on UMU changing the game plan, since it was not really apparent to those of us who have not seen UMU play recently.

Good luck next week, and beyond.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on December 02, 2012, 08:16:49 AM
Quote from: bman on December 01, 2012, 11:33:27 PM
Guys
Thanks for the feedback and the observations.  It is a young team overall, but recruiting replacements for the key losses will be critical.  Hopefully they can build on the momentum.
Interesting to hear your comments on UMU changing the game plan, since it was not really apparent to those of us who have not seen UMU play recently.

Good luck next week, and beyond.

bman, good season for the pride this year.  the issues that mount exposed yesterday were ones that you and i talked about previously and the result was not surprising.  real good wr, one of the best in the country in my opinion.  nice run, enjoy it and have a nice holiday.  at least there is a good chance that one of us will be saying that our team lost to the national champion.   :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HScoach on December 02, 2012, 09:39:49 AM
bman:  One other suggestion for next year.  Find a RB and feed him the ball.  I don't care who your QB is and how good the WR's are, 8 designed rushing plays against 65+ called passes is not going to win deep in the playoffs.  The defenses are too good to be that one dimensional.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on December 02, 2012, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: HScoach on December 01, 2012, 10:46:14 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 01, 2012, 07:56:02 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 01, 2012, 03:22:55 PM
Mt. Union 72, Widener 17. Final

There just might be some knowing smiles in Wilkes-Barre.  ;)

Karma can be a real bitch can't she Warren?   :D

Well, from my pressbox perch sitting right above the Widener fans, I did enjoy the irony of a fan base whose team beat an opponent 90-0 complaining about being on the wrong end of a big score. 

Widener is a good team that just into a buzzsaw today.   Mount has a nasty way of making good teams look really average if you make mistakes.  And if you're going to be one dimensional against Mount, it better not be a passing only offense.  The Mount D is built to defend the spread passing game that Widener plays.  We see that in the OAC a lot and practice against it every day.  The teams that give Mount trouble are those with size & strength up front with a strong running game as the D is built around speed, not size and strength up front.

I was impressed with A Davis at WR.  He's a stud.  And the Widener secondary played the Mount receivers much better than any team has this year.  Mount usually is a very vertical passing team but they couldn't get anyone free and had to switch to a more ball control underneath style.  Overall the Pride are a young team and if you can find a replacement QB and strengthen the O-line a little, I'm sure we'll see you in next year's playoffs.

A great passing game should be able to beat anyone.  Can't you say that MUC simply hasn't fased a great passing game?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on December 05, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
Pat-
Had a quick question regarding the all region team. Might be a little biased but I really believed that A. Davis of WU'S was deserving of a first team nominee as either a ret. or wr. Are the other receivers stats that much better? Also, surprised that Haupt was not listed in the top three qb's in the east. Looks like Widener received very little respect for a team that made it to the great 8.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 05, 2012, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on December 05, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
Pat-
Had a quick question regarding the all region team. Might be a little biased but I really believed that A. Davis of WU'S was deserving of a first team nominee as either a ret. or wr. Are the other receivers stats that much better? Also, surprised that Haupt was not listed in the top three qb's in the east. Looks like Widener received very little respect for a team that made it to the great 8.
WUDLINE

Jump over to the Liberty League...you should get some perspective from the discussion over there...


What's your take on 2013 for WU?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on December 05, 2012, 09:52:34 PM
Bman
They have a lot of talent returning, including (from what I hear) L.Robinson who is still in school but needed to sit out the year. Big problem will be replacing Qb, Cambpell is an excellent athlete, and good runner but does not throw a great ball.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2012, 10:22:44 PM
Quote from: bman on December 05, 2012, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on December 05, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
Pat-
Had a quick question regarding the all region team. Might be a little biased but I really believed that A. Davis of WU'S was deserving of a first team nominee as either a ret. or wr. Are the other receivers stats that much better? Also, surprised that Haupt was not listed in the top three qb's in the east. Looks like Widener received very little respect for a team that made it to the great 8.
WUDLINE

Jump over to the Liberty League...you should get some perspective from the discussion over there...


Not sure how that conversation is relevant, since that's about a multi-region award and this is an East Region award. Everyone here will be from the East Region. :)

Agreed about Haupt -- and it's amazing how good those four quarterbacks are. And Castleton's QB got some support in the voting as well.

Thing about Haupt that probably pushed people off was the 16 interceptions, which was most among that group of five.

Among wide receivers, I could see where Boyle perhaps might be one to question, but he did have 17 catches for 178 yards against the best team on the schedule. That speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on December 05, 2012, 10:46:01 PM
I'm actually more interested in how the conversation shakes out when it comes to NESCAC players.  They're D3 and in the East, but in a closed system.  We have the conversation every year about how good are the teams in the NESCAC, and OOC games only represent 20-30% of a teams schedule, but without any interconference play, how does anyone evaluate the relative quality of those guys vs. everyone else?  Especially the positions that aren't stat driven (OL, DT, secondary). 

Not disputing any picks, just another reason many question the relationship between them and the rest of the D3 eastern universe.  I guess you could make a nearly similar claim about the relatively closed NEFC too, but there's a little OOC play at least. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2012, 10:50:38 PM
Can't ignore them, but can't evaluate them based on non-conference games, this is true. I think we have to take on faith that a NESCAC football team is somewhat equivalent to the ones in the Liberty League that are most similar in the region.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 06, 2012, 08:55:08 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2012, 10:22:44 PM
Quote from: bman on December 05, 2012, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: WUDLINE on December 05, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
Pat-
Had a quick question regarding the all region team. Might be a little biased but I really believed that A. Davis of WU'S was deserving of a first team nominee as either a ret. or wr. Are the other receivers stats that much better? Also, surprised that Haupt was not listed in the top three qb's in the east. Looks like Widener received very little respect for a team that made it to the great 8.
WUDLINE

Jump over to the Liberty League...you should get some perspective from the discussion over there...


Not sure how that conversation is relevant, since that's about a multi-region award and this is an East Region award. Everyone here will be from the East Region. :)Agreed about Haupt -- and it's amazing how good those four quarterbacks are. And Castleton's QB got some support in the voting as well.

Thing about Haupt that probably pushed people off was the 16 interceptions, which was most among that group of five.

Among wide receivers, I could see where Boyle perhaps might be one to question, but he did have 17 catches for 178 yards against the best team on the schedule. That speaks volumes.

Sorry, was still riled up over the Gag stats.... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on December 06, 2012, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2012, 10:50:38 PM
Can't ignore them, but can't evaluate them based on non-conference games, this is true. I think we have to take on faith that a NESCAC football team is somewhat equivalent to the ones in the Liberty League that are most similar in the region.

Agree and/or Centennial given schools like JHU, F&M, and so on. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 12, 2012, 09:37:47 PM
Sad day for DVC and D3 fans former DVC wr Don Marshall lost his battle with cancer.... Was 1 of the better D3 wr's PBR has seen.... Gone but not forgotten...
http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2012/12/12/fb_12marshall.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SUADC on December 13, 2012, 07:08:37 AM
Quote from: PBR... on December 12, 2012, 09:37:47 PM
Sad day for DVC and D3 fans former DVC wr Don Marshall lost his battle with cancer.... Was 1 of the better D3 wr's PBR has seen.... Gone but not forgotten...
http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2012/12/12/fb_12marshall.aspx

I am truly saddened by this, my prayers and condolences goes out to his family, the DVC community, and the Bladensburg community. I saw updates on facebook about it...he was from the same area as me, I had a chance to go toe to toe with him my freshmen year in 2006 in the ECAC Bowl. He was a tremendous athlete, he was a inspiration to many young men coming out a tough area of P.G. County.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 13, 2012, 10:02:03 PM
Don Marshall was a special player.  He was a tall, athletic receiver whose talent put him at a different level on most Saturday's.

Marshall's signature play was a 90-yard touchdown catch as part of a wild back-and-forth victory over Susquehanna early in Delaware Valley's magical 2004 season.  Pat Cummings had the play-by-play call and it was so good, D3football used it in its playoff intro for years.

Don is fixed in my mind as one half of the "Dynamic Duo" with David Carmon who was the perfect complement.  Marshall would stretch the field and Carmon would take advantage underneath.  Add John Kiphorn at wide receiver, Adam Knoblauch at quarterback and GA Mangus as the play caller and it was great fun.

Even today, it's hard to say Don's name without smiling.  Like so many young men on those Delaware Valley teams from 2004 and 2005, his name immediately brings to mind great memories.

As a young man, he's gone way, way too soon. As an Aggie, his memory remains.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 20, 2012, 12:06:10 AM
Wow...That was a shocker out of Chester...

Hopefully we will not regress like we did when Zwaan left...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 21, 2012, 08:10:49 AM
Quote from: bman on December 20, 2012, 12:06:10 AM
Wow...That was a shocker out of Chester...

Hopefully we will not regress like we did when Zwaan left...

Indeed...any reason given or is the rumor mill running? Seems kinda a strange move IMHO...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on December 21, 2012, 09:58:17 AM
I'm not surprised with Collins.  He did spend a long time with 1-AA (though mediocre would be kind) Columbia and I think he wanted more.  Some guys will stick around and go at it for the long haul, others want more.  I think Collins wanted more and, it's easier to stay in, say Geneva NY (where Coach Cragg had some success at an early enough age that he probably had some opportunities to move up, but you can buy a nice lake house for $200-250k) than a much more expensive place like a suburb of Philly. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 23, 2012, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: pumkinattack on December 21, 2012, 09:58:17 AM
but you can buy a nice lake house for $200-250k) than a much more expensive place like a suburb of Philly.

And Chester isn't exactly easy on the eyes....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 23, 2012, 10:20:37 PM
I must admit, this one has me stumped. I'm not surprised that Ike left, but I am surperised that he went for DII Seton Hill. I always thought he was using Widener as the stepping stone up (and perhaps he still is stepping up), but I thougt it would be 1-aa from here, not PSAC.

bman - any chance there was a disagreement over recruiting/numbers to hit, or something like that? Do we think Fett has a real shot at this job?

Either way, I wish both of them well!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 24, 2012, 10:06:03 AM
Quote from: bill on December 23, 2012, 10:20:37 PM
I must admit, this one has me stumped. I'm not surprised that Ike left, but I am surperised that he went for DII Seton Hill. I always thought he was using Widener as the stepping stone up (and perhaps he still is stepping up), but I thougt it would be 1-aa from here, not PSAC.

bman - any chance there was a disagreement over recruiting/numbers to hit, or something like that? Do we think Fett has a real shot at this job?

Either way, I wish both of them well!

Bill

I think he does, ...he certainly brings a great (local) pedigree, and a link to some local powerhouse schools (Coatesville especially and to a lesser extent Downingtown.)..so that would help lure some of the local talent away from schools like umm Del Val... ::), and he certainly has assisted in the success of his collegiate teams..but I find it odd that they keep stressing that they are doing a national search... I'm wondering if he wants it, or they don't see him being successful in that role...I'm wondering if, the school admin, to a degree, is a bit reluctant to hire an asst coach, after hiring coach Wood...

Since they didn't invite me to be on the committe (Still not sure why :)...) I'll have to get the news when the announce it...

Happy holidays to all...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 24, 2012, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: bill on December 23, 2012, 10:20:37 PM
I must admit, this one has me stumped. I'm not surprised that Ike left, but I am surperised that he went for DII Seton Hill. I always thought he was using Widener as the stepping stone up (and perhaps he still is stepping up), but I thougt it would be 1-aa from here, not PSAC.

bman - any chance there was a disagreement over recruiting/numbers to hit, or something like that? Do we think Fett has a real shot at this job?

Either way, I wish both of them well!

Considering Zwaan went from Widener to a D-II head coaching job, I'm not surprised. There aren't many coaches who can pull off a direct-to-scholarship-FCS head coach leap out of D-III, and even the last guy who did so had a connection. (You know, K.C. Keeler.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 24, 2012, 11:29:26 PM
Pat

I realize there are very few like Keeler...but Ike came to DIII with quite a pedigree. He's already been an assistant & coordinator at some very good FCS programs, so it's not like a FCS coordinator job is something new for him. I really thought he would put in 3-5 years at Widener, have playoff success, and "prove" he can be a head coach. From there I saw him landing a lower FCS job like an NEC spot, or a team in need of rebuilding....

I know some people may disagree with me, but I'm not sure the HC job at Seton Hill is equivalent to the DC job at a Holy Cross or Citadel, but that's just my opinion!

Oh well...Merry Christmas everyone!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2012, 03:49:46 PM
Quote from: bill on December 24, 2012, 11:29:26 PM
Pat

I realize there are very few like Keeler...but Ike came to DIII with quite a pedigree. He's already been an assistant & coordinator at some very good FCS programs, so it's not like a FCS coordinator job is something new for him. I really thought he would put in 3-5 years at Widener, have playoff success, and "prove" he can be a head coach. From there I saw him landing a lower FCS job like an NEC spot, or a team in need of rebuilding....

I know some people may disagree with me, but I'm not sure the HC job at Seton Hill is equivalent to the DC job at a Holy Cross or Citadel, but that's just my opinion!

Oh well...Merry Christmas everyone!

True, no doubt. But Keeler went to the Stagg Bowl four times. But also, Delaware is not just any FCS head coaching job, I know.

Seton Hill is interesting -- seems like they had success under a previous coach and that fell apart. Moving to the PSAC this year with the WVIAC falling apart.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WUDLINE on December 26, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
Bman & others

Though the location is a surprise, Collins leaving is not. The rumors had him looking for other jobs all year, as well as some other members of the staff. Also, I think that this move does represent a nice step up for Ike. He did a nice job of putting the program back on the right track and getting WU'S Admin to recommit to football.

Bman - Wood was a much better sell to the players and alumni then Fett. Wood was a WU alum and Delco resident, and had been on the Wu staff since his playing days minus a breif stint as the db coach at Lehigh. Also, he was a very successful DC for Zwann. Wood did a very good job of maintaining success with a substantal drop of in talent, at the beginning of his career after tacking over for Zwann. Coach Zwann saw the writing on the wall with the change in University Presidents, and left at the perfect time. Some of the changes that occurred were much more of a direct connection to the on field product. These same changes, and disagreements over them, are what led to Wood moving on. Fett has never been more then a position coach at the College level. He does  not have a long standing relationship to the University or its alumni. So I do not believe that he is really in the running. They will be going after a younger up and coming coordinator/coach from a higher level looking to become a head coach.

One name rumored is WU'S alumni B.J. Hogan who is currently on a four year stint as the DB Coach at the University of Tennessee Chattanooga.




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 26, 2012, 09:19:33 PM
WUDLINE

Thx...and great info!   sent you a pm

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on January 23, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
Bobby Acosta as next HC at Widener? Any news out there other than football scoop?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 23, 2013, 02:19:15 PM
Quote from: bill on January 23, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
Bobby Acosta as next HC at Widener? Any news out there other than football scoop?

Pretty impressive creds...

http://www.widenerpride.com/news/2013/1/22/FB_0122133034.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2013, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: bill on January 23, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
Bobby Acosta as next HC at Widener? Any news out there other than football scoop?

The D3football coaching carousel work for you?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on January 23, 2013, 02:35:11 PM
Quote from: PBR... on January 23, 2013, 02:19:15 PM
Quote from: bill on January 23, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
Bobby Acosta as next HC at Widener? Any news out there other than football scoop?

Pretty impressive creds...

http://www.widenerpride.com/news/2013/1/22/FB_0122133034.aspx

Says he coached the Deleware WRs/TEs when Flacco was there in 2008. 

Is it me or does it seem like Flacco has been in the league for like 10 years now?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 30, 2013, 08:31:21 AM
Interesting...seeing lots of smoke that the Big10 is courting Johns Hopkins for Lax....and JHU is not denying it. Sounds also like the Big Least is offering JHU to hop on board. With Maryland joining the Big10 and Penn St. screaming up the rankings with new coach and facilities sounds like JHU Lax will be moving on up....Will be interesting to see if this then encourages others to seek to move up as well... http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013/01/17/hopkins-draft
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on January 30, 2013, 11:19:11 AM
Quote from: PBR... on January 30, 2013, 08:31:21 AM
Interesting...seeing lots of smoke that the Big10 is courting Johns Hopkins for Lax....and JHU is not denying it. Sounds also like the Big Least is offering JHU to hop on board. With Maryland joining the Big10 and Penn St. screaming up the rankings with new coach and facilities sounds like JHU Lax will be moving on up....Will be interesting to see if this then encourages others to seek to move up as well... http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013/01/17/hopkins-draft

The interesting thing about this is that D1 lax programs go through what a lot of d3football programs have to deal with.  How to manipulate the AQ system to their schools benefit.  Find a league with a small amount of teams, find a schedule which benefits you, stay independent and know that you will get a pool B over other teams, get in an AQ league that you can dominate, etc, etc.

D1 schools have the money to change leagues around more than d3 teams can, so it is interesting to watch these schools jump around leagues all the time.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 30, 2013, 11:57:09 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on January 30, 2013, 11:19:11 AM
Quote from: PBR... on January 30, 2013, 08:31:21 AM
Interesting...seeing lots of smoke that the Big10 is courting Johns Hopkins for Lax....and JHU is not denying it. Sounds also like the Big Least is offering JHU to hop on board. With Maryland joining the Big10 and Penn St. screaming up the rankings with new coach and facilities sounds like JHU Lax will be moving on up....Will be interesting to see if this then encourages others to seek to move up as well... http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013/01/17/hopkins-draft

The interesting thing about this is that D1 lax programs go through what a lot of d3football programs have to deal with.  How to manipulate the AQ system to their schools benefit.  Find a league with a small amount of teams, find a schedule which benefits you, stay independent and know that you will get a pool B over other teams, get in an AQ league that you can dominate, etc, etc.

D1 schools have the money to change leagues around more than d3 teams can, so it is interesting to watch these schools jump around leagues all the time.

Yup...exactly...what is really driving this is the big10 has been trying to get uva/unc to come over with maryland. This will help that cause. Johns Hopkins just got a 1 billion dollar gift from mike bloomberg and will get more later on from him. Plus Johns Hopkins will get a percentage of the almost $30 million each big 10 school gets from the big ten tv channel annually...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on January 30, 2013, 04:29:13 PM
Just heard great news about DVC and its facilities. Major renovation to the football stadium. Included will be a synthetic turf field, multi lane track and lights for night time competitions. Hoping to complete the first phase by this fall. Made possible by donation from an alumni....excellent news.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 01, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
PBR - More news to follow about a few other athletic related upgrades as well!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 02, 2013, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 01, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
PBR - More news to follow about a few other athletic related upgrades as well!!!

There is lots of upgrades and new things going forward. I was waiting for the timeline of how its all going to be done. As it stands now phase 1A will be the new synthetic turf field and lights going in so they are ready before the fall sports start. This will make the current track around the field unusable (which it kinda is already...long story). They are going to put a temporary jogging track around the field for the near term. This new field will allow field hockey/soccer/lax/football all to play as well as play as night which helps with scheduling as well as intramural sports. Phase 1B will be the upgrade to the stands including the visitor stands. Also the press box/multi media boxes/coaches boxes will get upgrades and a trustees box will be put in for entertaining. Phase 2 will be on the other side of the railroad tracks. Another synthetic field will be installed. A ncaa regulation track with spectator seating will be installed. Will allow the college to host competitions and invitationals.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 03, 2013, 11:04:33 AM
We're kind of hearing the same things PBR. I was hearing a few things about upgrades to the gymnasium a while back but after visiting local gyms such as Eastern, Arcadia, DeSales, etc........many DIII gyms are worse than most high school gyms. DelVal's gym isn't that bad compared to many DIII gyms. I'm also hearing about an interesting discussion going back and forth about making a real push forward on the lacrosse front and also an onsite swimming complex as an addition to a reconfigured athletic complex (knowing the footprint.......can't figure that one out for the life of me:)

As far as the visiting stands for the football stadium.......I've sat on the visitors side at Muhlenberg, Wilkes, FDU, etc. and they are all bad:) I would love a football complex like the new one's at Muhlenberg and Albright or the upgrade done at Moravian almost a decade ago........but will settle for anything at this point.

Dr. Brosnan is an excellent President and I'm glad he's committed to the long term to see the many academic and athletic changes/upgrades through to the end.

My "insiders" tell me that the football team has a few transfers already in the classroom in the second semester and are hot on the trail of a few very significant transfers come August (a la K.C. Keeler back in the day:) We'll have to see how much of that actually comes to fruition.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 03, 2013, 01:41:38 PM
The swimming pool idea has been batted around for years. They really need a new athletic complex with weight room training. Not sure if they could shoe horn that in the center of campus or would have to be built out towards the new athletic fields across the railroad tracks. They might be able to expand on the existing gym and make it a large athletic complex in the center of campus if they knocked down 1-2 existing buildings. Which I wouldn't mind as the existing buildings are old and IMHO would make the campus that much more attractive to get rid of them and put something new up. But who knows we shall see...Most things as usual are limited in scale by $$$$ so DVC is very lucky an alumni is picking up the tab for the new field. The stands and press box need to be fixed which they will be and they need the new track as well. I don't think they are pushing lax too much at this point (I could be wrong), but they are club sports for now and I don't see too much emphasis being put on them until the rest of these upgrades are done.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 03, 2013, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 03, 2013, 11:04:33 AM
My "insiders" tell me that the football team has a few transfers already in the classroom in the second semester and are hot on the trail of a few very significant transfers come August (a la K.C. Keeler back in the day:) We'll have to see how much of that actually comes to fruition.

Where do these transfers come from? JUCOs? D3 venues? D1 venues?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 06, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
So far on campus.......two from D2 schools. Hot on the trail of JUCO the JV played this year, another couple D2's and a D1-AA (refuse to call it FCS) and a possible D1 coming back home.

One never knows until August though.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on February 12, 2013, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 03, 2013, 11:04:33 AM
My "insiders" tell me that the football team has a few transfers already in the classroom in the second semester and are hot on the trail of a few very significant transfers come August (a la K.C. Keeler back in the day:) We'll have to see how much of that actually comes to fruition.

Is that really something to be excited about?

Seems to me Rowan that Rowan was looked down on for many years for their propensity to bring in step down transfers...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 13, 2013, 07:18:10 PM
bman - That's a tough question to answer. If my kid was promised the world at a D2 school and finds himself with six other kids promised the same thing........I'd have to think through it.

Garcon "stepped down" to Mount Union (although I would argue "stepped up":) and nobody ever mentions that. I'm not sure where you are from but if a few kids who were hot on DVC's radar screen wind up at West Chester, Bloomsburg, etc. and decide that playing time matters more than just putting on the uniform.........I don't see the harm.

As an aside, have you heard any whispers about Widener's stud WR following Coach Collins to the western part of the state?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on February 13, 2013, 08:38:02 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 13, 2013, 07:18:10 PM
bman - That's a tough question to answer. If my kid was promised the world at a D2 school and finds himself with six other kids promised the same thing........I'd have to think through it.

Garcon "stepped down" to Mount Union (although I would argue "stepped up":) and nobody ever mentions that. I'm not sure where you are from but if a few kids who were hot on DVC's radar screen wind up at West Chester, Bloomsburg, etc. and decide that playing time matters more than just putting on the uniform.........I don't see the harm.

As an aside, have you heard any whispers about Widener's stud WR following Coach Collins to the western part of the state?

Agreed, and certainly not insinuating that DV is looking to build it's program that way...far from it...My point was to point out that the practice under Keeler(and some other programs) was rampant, and it became their way of building the program...which IMO tarnished their reputation.
I completely agree that someone stepping down(or across or up) for playing time or a scholarship makes sense, and is nothing to look down at...Sometimes it's not a good fit and they realize it once they're there...
I'd be disappointed to see him go (an undeerstatement)...although If he were to move on, I'd hope that he could get to a D1 program.  If he was going to lose a year of eligibility, at least shoot high!...but of course I understand the connection across the state....
Unfortunately, I am not very connected to the program anymore, so no real inside access...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 13, 2013, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: bman on February 13, 2013, 08:38:02 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 13, 2013, 07:18:10 PM
bman - That's a tough question to answer. If my kid was promised the world at a D2 school and finds himself with six other kids promised the same thing........I'd have to think through it.

Garcon "stepped down" to Mount Union (although I would argue "stepped up":) and nobody ever mentions that. I'm not sure where you are from but if a few kids who were hot on DVC's radar screen wind up at West Chester, Bloomsburg, etc. and decide that playing time matters more than just putting on the uniform.........I don't see the harm.

As an aside, have you heard any whispers about Widener's stud WR following Coach Collins to the western part of the state?

Agreed, and certainly not insinuating that DV is looking to build it's program that way...far from it...My point was to point out that the practice under Keeler(and some other programs) was rampant, and it became their way of building the program...which IMO tarnished their reputation.
I completely agree that someone stepping down(or across or up) for playing time or a scholarship makes sense, and is nothing to look down at...Sometimes it's not a good fit and they realize it once they're there...
I'd be disappointed to see him go (an undeerstatement)...although If he were to move on, I'd hope that he could get to a D1 program.  If he was going to lose a year of eligibility, at least shoot high!...but of course I understand the connection across the state....
Unfortunately, I am not very connected to the program anymore, so no real inside access...

Also can be family matters...for example penn st. kicker/punter transferred back to a school in texas this year after his mother was diagnosed with m.s. (cost psu 2 games not having him) He obviously wanted to be closer to home and help out as much as he could...Somewhat to me depends on the situation if its for playing time/family issues etc then agreed I see no problem with it...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2013, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 13, 2013, 07:18:10 PM
bman - That's a tough question to answer. If my kid was promised the world at a D2 school and finds himself with six other kids promised the same thing........I'd have to think through it.

Garcon "stepped down" to Mount Union (although I would argue "stepped up":) and nobody ever mentions that. I'm not sure where you are from but if a few kids who were hot on DVC's radar screen wind up at West Chester, Bloomsburg, etc. and decide that playing time matters more than just putting on the uniform.........I don't see the harm.

As an aside, have you heard any whispers about Widener's stud WR following Coach Collins to the western part of the state?

Garcon didn't step down at all, which is why it isn't mentioned. Garcon played for a year at Norwich, which is D-III, then transferred to Mount Union.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 14, 2013, 03:34:43 PM
Here's some news on the upgrades to James Work Memorial Stadium...

http://brand.delval.edu/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 14, 2013, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 14, 2013, 03:34:43 PM
Here's some news on the upgrades to James Work Memorial Stadium...

http://brand.delval.edu/

Hmmmm...now who was it that posted this upgrades on the previous page...   ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 15, 2013, 06:01:15 PM
I didn't see the link, but maybe I missed it.

Forgive my exuberance but I have visions of a much nicer place to spend my Saturday afternoons during Del Val broadcasts.  Think Matt Levy will let me pick out the carpet and wallpaper in the new press box? :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 15, 2013, 10:30:00 PM
Pat - With all due respect to what you do (and I love it all).................I get the feeling that you've never been called the "warm and fuzzy" type not the "life of the party" :)

Garcon actually turned down a few scholarship offers directly from high school and when word got out that he was leaving Norwich. Literal step down/up............nah. Theoretical step down......debatable.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on February 16, 2013, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 15, 2013, 06:01:15 PM
I didn't see the link, but maybe I missed it.

Forgive my exuberance but I have visions of a much nicer place to spend my Saturday afternoons during Del Val broadcasts.  Think Matt Levy will let me pick out the carpet and wallpaper in the new press box? :)

HaHa...now you will have room to let me sit in on the broadcast!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2013, 11:54:55 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 15, 2013, 10:30:00 PM
Pat - With all due respect to what you do (and I love it all).................I get the feeling that you've never been called the "warm and fuzzy" type not the "life of the party" :)

Garcon actually turned down a few scholarship offers directly from high school and when word got out that he was leaving Norwich. Literal step down/up............nah. Theoretical step down......debatable.

This is long since water under the bridge but I don't believe Garcon qualified for an athletic scholarship out of high school. It wasn't that he turned them down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on March 04, 2013, 10:40:33 AM
Widener's 2013 schedule.

Nothing earth shattering, but can't wait to see the WU/Wes game...will definitely make all efforts to travel to Dover for that...
I will probably stay away from Edwardsville PA (for obvious reasons...) :)

Fri.      9/6/2013    Wesley                  Dover, DE              7:00 pm 
Sat.   9/14/2013    Lebanon Valley     Chester, PA           1:00 pm   
Sat.   9/21/2013    Wilkes                   Edwardsville, PA    1:00 pm 
Sat.   9/28/2013    Lycoming               Chester, PA           1:00 pm   
Sat.   10/5/2013    Stevenson             Owings Mills, MD   1:00 pm   
Sat. 10/19/2013    Misericordia HC     Chester, PA           1:00 pm   
Sat. 10/26/2013    FDU-Florham         Chester, PA           1:00 pm   
Sat.   11/2/2013    Albright                  Reading, PA          1:00 pm   
Sat.   11/9/2013    King's                     Chester, PA          1:00 pm   
Sat. 11/16/2013    Delaware Valley    Doylestown PA      1:00 pm 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 04, 2013, 03:30:38 PM
I thought all MAC teams that participated in the 2012 MAC-NJAC challenge would do so again in 2013. In that structure, Widener would have played Western Connecticut again.  This is an enormous jump in level of competition.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on March 04, 2013, 08:31:12 PM
W.Conn is no longer in the NJAC, and yes a huge step up. Better to get Wesley in the first game rather than the last. Good Luck to the Pride.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on March 12, 2013, 10:21:26 AM
bman

Are lots of other teams using Quick?  I ask because of the lights. It seems strange to put lights in, and then never have night games!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on March 13, 2013, 10:55:03 PM
Bill

It is being used by other teams.  I see that they recently had a Rugby game under the lights.  I'm sure they will start scheduling Friday night games (I guess for 2015) since the next 2 years are basically already scheduled.  Maybe the opener for 2014 would be their first chance to schedule football.   It's nice to see they have them nonetheless..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 15, 2013, 06:29:35 PM
Widener has had night games in the recent past. When the Pride won the title a couple years ago, they beat Del Val on a rainy, windy Friday night.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on March 15, 2013, 09:36:52 PM
Thanks Gordon

If I recall they played Wesley under the lights a few years ago, but that may have been in Dover...WU does not have many night games...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 18, 2013, 10:09:41 PM
Big10 going like D-III? Could OSU vs. Mount Union be a reality.... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130318/big-ten-jim-delany-ncaa-obannon/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 18, 2013, 10:50:58 PM
Quote from: PBR... on March 18, 2013, 10:09:41 PM
Big10 going like D-III? Could OSU vs. Mount Union be a reality.... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130318/big-ten-jim-delany-ncaa-obannon/

Nice catch. +k  Hmmm ... I wonder if the MIAA would accept Michigan and Michigan State? ;D

With the physical infrastructure alone, there is ZERO chance any of this would happen - the Big House with 5,000 instead of 110,000 each week?? ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on March 19, 2013, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 18, 2013, 10:50:58 PM
Quote from: PBR... on March 18, 2013, 10:09:41 PM
Big10 going like D-III? Could OSU vs. Mount Union be a reality.... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130318/big-ten-jim-delany-ncaa-obannon/

Nice catch. +k  Hmmm ... I wonder if the MIAA would accept Michigan and Michigan State? ;D

With the physical infrastructure alone, there is ZERO chance any of this would happen - the Big House with 5,000 instead of 110,000 each week?? ::)

Agree totally....will never happen. Delaney is just trying to call their bluff. Basically 1 fool calling a bunch of other fools bluff.....Delaney would never give it all up in the name of academics no matter what horse manure comes out of his mouth (And with him and the ncaa it's ALOT)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on March 24, 2013, 09:23:51 AM
bman, glad to see widener on the wesley schedule.  both teams are replacing parts, but the coaching change at widener may be tough to overcome.  wesley will have a new qb, but many other parts will still be there from last year.  widener is also going to have a new qb, so it will be interesting to see how the teams handle it.  enjoy the next 5 months, well if the weather ever gets above 50.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 30, 2013, 10:46:47 AM
Was at DVC last weekend....Football field was about 1/2 way torn up with big dirt mounds around the edges of it. The new facility is going to be great. With new press boxes and a 3 lane jogging track around the new field and lights being installed it's going to be really nice for games in all kinds of weather... Also breaking news...PBR's daughter has officially signed and entered into DVC for small animal science (pre-vet program) she had it down to Va. Tech and DVC and chose DVC...Great kid graduated high school early and has been taking full load of college courses already and will enter DVC in the fall as a sophmore credit wise....(Good thing she got her mothers smarts..)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 30, 2013, 01:32:32 PM
Nice job PBR!  Good luck to her.
Glad she didn't choose VT...(not a Frank Beamer fan)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on April 30, 2013, 03:36:44 PM
PBR

Just curious - a 3 lane track?  I thought they might spring for the whole new track concept, considering Del Val actually has track & field....I know that pushes seating further back, but....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 30, 2013, 08:43:37 PM
Quote from: bman on April 30, 2013, 01:32:32 PM
Nice job PBR!  Good luck to her.
Glad she didn't choose VT...(not a Frank Beamer fan)

Thanks Bman...I was happy either way...hokie or a aggie. She is a great kid and to only need 2 classes this fall to graduate she is an incredible kid. Very happy for her and all her hard work.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 30, 2013, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: bill on April 30, 2013, 03:36:44 PM
PBR

Just curious - a 3 lane track?  I thought they might spring for the whole new track concept, considering Del Val actually has track & field....I know that pushes seating further back, but....

Bill they are doing a 3 land jogging track for students around the new field being put down in phase I of this project. Phase II they will be building a brand new track with stands next to the baseball field which is not too far from the existing football stadium and current track.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 15, 2013, 08:25:42 AM
Ran a 5K race at DVC last weekend and football field is really taking shape. Will be nice when all the other upgrades are done as well... Here is a story in the local paper with some pix  http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer_news/a-generous-donation-produces-new-football-field/article_d3fa5e53-cb36-5a37-8163-af3b7df044bd.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on May 20, 2013, 07:34:24 AM
Quote from: PBR... on May 15, 2013, 08:25:42 AM
Ran a 5K race at DVC last weekend and football field is really taking shape. Will be nice when all the other upgrades are done as well... Here is a story in the local paper with some pix  http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer_news/a-generous-donation-produces-new-football-field/article_d3fa5e53-cb36-5a37-8163-af3b7df044bd.html

Nice to see the field is up and coming. I had a chance to run a 5K in Baltimore a couple weeks ago.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 02, 2013, 10:01:10 AM
Quote from: PBR... on May 15, 2013, 08:25:42 AM
Ran a 5K race at DVC last weekend and football field is really taking shape. Will be nice when all the other upgrades are done as well... Here is a story in the local paper with some pix  http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer_news/a-generous-donation-produces-new-football-field/article_d3fa5e53-cb36-5a37-8163-af3b7df044bd.html

Is the fieldwork done?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 02, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: bman on July 02, 2013, 10:01:10 AM
Quote from: PBR... on May 15, 2013, 08:25:42 AM
Ran a 5K race at DVC last weekend and football field is really taking shape. Will be nice when all the other upgrades are done as well... Here is a story in the local paper with some pix  http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer_news/a-generous-donation-produces-new-football-field/article_d3fa5e53-cb36-5a37-8163-af3b7df044bd.html

Is the fieldwork done?

Getting there bman....Last I saw last week the stone was down and rolled/packed on the field...looked just about ready to put the nexTurf down. Although they may do that last until the track and other work is done around the field to minimize risk of damage to the field...but I am not sure the order of things. It will be ready for fall sports both for ncaa games and intramural, with lighting for night games. Gong to be very nice to have a great field year round in all conditions with possibility of night games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 10, 2013, 11:44:10 AM
Quote from: bman on July 02, 2013, 10:01:10 AM
Quote from: PBR... on May 15, 2013, 08:25:42 AM
Ran a 5K race at DVC last weekend and football field is really taking shape. Will be nice when all the other upgrades are done as well... Here is a story in the local paper with some pix  http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer_news/a-generous-donation-produces-new-football-field/article_d3fa5e53-cb36-5a37-8163-af3b7df044bd.html

Is the fieldwork done?

bman...Turf is being installed and put down now... Looks pretty good... http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2013/7/10/FH_turf_update.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on July 10, 2013, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: PBR... on July 10, 2013, 11:44:10 AM
Quote from: bman on July 02, 2013, 10:01:10 AM
Quote from: PBR... on May 15, 2013, 08:25:42 AM
Ran a 5K race at DVC last weekend and football field is really taking shape. Will be nice when all the other upgrades are done as well... Here is a story in the local paper with some pix  http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer_news/a-generous-donation-produces-new-football-field/article_d3fa5e53-cb36-5a37-8163-af3b7df044bd.html

Is the fieldwork done? Any idea how the logo will be put onto the field? Will the endzone be striped or have school name or mascot?

bman...Turf is being installed and put down now... Looks pretty good... http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2013/7/10/FH_turf_update.aspx

Field looking good! Any idea on where the team logo will be placed? Is the endzone going to be striped or will the school or mascot name be in the endzone?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dutchman70 on July 10, 2013, 03:49:56 PM
Good Afternoon guys, I'm new to the boards, but am looking forward to talking MAC football this upcoming season with all of you as I'm sure it will be another fantastic season.


And always:

Go Dutchmen
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on July 10, 2013, 04:07:35 PM
Quote from: Dutchman70 on July 10, 2013, 03:49:56 PM
Good Afternoon guys, I'm new to the boards, but am looking forward to talking MAC football this upcoming season with all of you as I'm sure it will be another fantastic season.


And always:

Go Dutchmen

Welcome to the boards Dutchman, its good to see another fan from the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dutchman70 on July 10, 2013, 04:29:44 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on July 10, 2013, 04:07:35 PM
Quote from: Dutchman70 on July 10, 2013, 03:49:56 PM
Good Afternoon guys, I'm new to the boards, but am looking forward to talking MAC football this upcoming season with all of you as I'm sure it will be another fantastic season.


And always:

Go Dutchmen

Welcome to the boards Dutchman, its good to see another fan from the MAC.


Thanks D3MAFAN, and on another note it is very interesting to see the progress on DVC's new turf making them the final MAC football school to get a turf playing surface. Can't wait to see it in person as i will be traveling to Doylestown this year for the LVC vs DVC game. Should be a great season!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on July 10, 2013, 09:24:05 PM
This will be year 2 for the MAC NJAC challenge. Last years 8 game series ended in a 4-4 draw. All games took/take place on the opening weekend. The same matchups for this year..but the venues are reversed.  Note * the NJAC;s top team from last season.Cortland..does not/did not participate. Also.. W CONN is not a member of the NJAC this season.
Looking back..the best matchups (based on final records) last season were 1. Del Val vs Rowan and 2. Lyco v. Brockport St. Both games were won by the NJAC team. Biggest mismatch was/ is Widener v W Conn.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dutchman70 on July 11, 2013, 09:34:22 AM
Quote from: D3viewer on July 10, 2013, 09:24:05 PM
This will be year 2 for the MAC NJAC challenge. Last years 8 game series ended in a 4-4 draw. All games took/take place on the opening weekend. The same matchups for this year..but the venues are reversed.  Note * the NJAC;s top team from last season.Cortland..does not/did not participate. Also.. W CONN is not a member of the NJAC this season.
Looking back..the best matchups (based on final records) last season were 1. Del Val vs Rowan and 2. Lyco v. Brockport St. Both games were won by the NJAC team. Biggest mismatch was/ is Widener v W Conn.




That DVC vs Rowan game is something to look forward too, also the LVC vs Montclair St. game will be the first night game at LVC underneath their new lights.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 11, 2013, 12:31:21 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on July 10, 2013, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: PBR... on July 10, 2013, 11:44:10 AM
Quote from: bman on July 02, 2013, 10:01:10 AM
Quote from: PBR... on May 15, 2013, 08:25:42 AM
Ran a 5K race at DVC last weekend and football field is really taking shape. Will be nice when all the other upgrades are done as well... Here is a story in the local paper with some pix  http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer_news/a-generous-donation-produces-new-football-field/article_d3fa5e53-cb36-5a37-8163-af3b7df044bd.html

Is the fieldwork done? Any idea how the logo will be put onto the field? Will the endzone be striped or have school name or mascot?

bman...Turf is being installed and put down now... Looks pretty good... http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2013/7/10/FH_turf_update.aspx

Field looking good! Any idea on where the team logo will be placed? Is the endzone going to be striped or will the school or mascot name be in the endzone?

No idea where the logo will be placed assuming there is 1 placed I would assume mid field...not sure if anything is going in the endzones...no sure if they have decided that yet
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on July 11, 2013, 05:41:29 PM
Self correction. Widener/ W Conn will not play this year. Makes sense. Saw on the home page Widener opens w Wesley. Haha ..what a difference. But makes a much better game. That's a tough opener Coach Acosta. Old NJAC guy.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on July 18, 2013, 12:14:02 PM
Huge drop for Widener, I think they fell a little to far, I would have maybe put them at 11-15 until the first couple weeks of the season. Nevertheless, the first game will tell it all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2013, 12:38:32 PM
The offense was really decimated -- just three starters back. Don't forget the coaching change as well. I think Delaware Valley is better on paper but not enough voters agreed with me.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SBMC on July 18, 2013, 07:36:30 PM
Whats the outlook on Stevenson, Kings and Lycoming?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 18, 2013, 07:41:11 PM
Re: Widener - fair assessment, although one of the 3 starters is Anthony Davis so there is a lot to build around.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dutchman70 on July 19, 2013, 09:07:19 AM
I'm pretty sure Stevenson didn't graduate many players from last years team, and their outlook is very positive. The team is extremely athletic and last season they were a better team then their record showed. Going into their 3rd year this season I think they have the potential to surprise some people. Not sure about kings, I know they lost a few key members of their linebacking core but not really sure about the rest, and Lyco also not sure but you can always bet they will have one of the best defenses in the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on July 19, 2013, 09:19:36 AM
Quote from: Dutchman70 on July 19, 2013, 09:07:19 AM
I'm pretty sure Stevenson didn't graduate many players from last years team, and their outlook is very positive. The team is extremely athletic and last season they were a better team then their record showed. Going into their 3rd year this season I think they have the potential to surprise some people. Not sure about kings, I know they lost a few key members of their linebacking core but not really sure about the rest, and Lyco also not sure but you can always bet they will have one of the best defenses in the MAC.

I agree Stevenson was indeed a better team than the record showed. Honestly, I can see them being very good, if not this year, definitely next year. Since I am currently in the DMV area, Stevenson appears to be doing a great job overall within building their athletic program and that's starting with its facilities. With that they are taking some recruits from both Maryland (Frostburg, Salisbury, McDaniel, etc...) and PA teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dutchman70 on July 19, 2013, 09:33:48 AM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on July 19, 2013, 09:19:36 AM
Quote from: Dutchman70 on July 19, 2013, 09:07:19 AM
I'm pretty sure Stevenson didn't graduate many players from last years team, and their outlook is very positive. The team is extremely athletic and last season they were a better team then their record showed. Going into their 3rd year this season I think they have the potential to surprise some people. Not sure about kings, I know they lost a few key members of their linebacking core but not really sure about the rest, and Lyco also not sure but you can always bet they will have one of the best defenses in the MAC.

I agree Stevenson was indeed a better team than the record showed. Honestly, I can see them being very good, if not this year, definitely next year. Since I am currently in the DMV area, Stevenson appears to be doing a great job overall within building their athletic program and that's starting with its facilities. With that they are taking some recruits from both Maryland (Frostburg, Salisbury, McDaniel, etc...) and PA teams.



I agree 100% with you, I definitely can see them contending for a MAC title within the next 2-4 years. Also in my opinion, from personal experience, I feel they have the best football facilities in the MAC, which will also make it easier to steal some recruits like you said not only from MD schools but also PA. They will definitely be a fun team to watch in the coming years.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SBMC on August 11, 2013, 06:38:25 PM
Lycoming picked #1 in the MAC seems like Lycoming is reloading ...thoughts?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 17, 2013, 03:54:05 PM
SBMC...With 3 Preseason All-Americans and 7 All-MAC starters returning, I believe it's more than just reloading this year...In this league though, every game is a tough one..All "W's" are truly earned...The Coaching staff will keep this year's group of student athletes "grounded"...No one will be reading their own press clippings and they will constantly  be reminded of the family, tradition and excellence of playing football for The Lycoming College Warriors!...Who knows, we may even slay a dragon or two on the way with the new swords and shields that will be issued to everyone this year!!!  Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2013, 03:59:18 PM
Quote from: Simba on August 17, 2013, 03:54:05 PM
SBMC...With 3 Preseason All-Americans and 7 All-MAC starters returning, I believe it's more than just reloading this year...In this league though, every game is a tough one..All "W's" are truly earned...The Coaching staff will keep this year's group of student athletes "grounded"...No one will be reading their own press clippings and they will constantly  be reminded of the family, tradition and excellence of playing football for The Lycoming College Warriors!...Who knows, we may even slay a dragon or two on the way with the new swords and shields that will be issued to everyone this year!!!  Simba

Welcome back. If those "three preseason All-Americans" include the USA Football team, just be mindful that they named 500 kids to that team, an average of two per Division III school. So three is better than average but only slightly. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 17, 2013, 06:57:08 PM
Yes Pat...
As I'm sure you recall from our friendly banter over the past couple decades, I always have a  MINDFUL.  :)  One is one of 13 DL on the first team Defense and one is one of 12 DB's on the first team Defense (He's also on your first team Defense)...That doesn't water him down does it?...Especially a coal-region boy from the land of Yuengling...Lager is never watered down Pat!...The third student athlete is one of 15 LB's on the second team Defense...I feel one should look at the recognition by position and not the total four team + honorable mention numbers by USA...Just one "Blast from the Past" opinion Pat and I know, along with "something else", everybody has one!...Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2013, 07:26:13 PM
Yeah -- so 13 defensive linemen would be four teams' worth. :) And if someone is not in the top 15 or so linebackers on the first team, that means on a normal three- or four-linebacker team they'd be fourth or fifth string.

I like a good Yuengling!
https://www.facebook.com/patricklcoleman
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on August 17, 2013, 11:29:55 PM
Quote from: SBMC on August 11, 2013, 06:38:25 PM
Lycoming picked #1 in the MAC seems like Lycoming is reloading ...thoughts?

Hmmm. Brockport ambushed them last season at their place. I wonder if they took them too lightly..Brockport coming off a 2-8 season. Can Lyco return the favor at Brockport on their new turf ?
Brockport offense ranked 16th in the country last season and almost dropped 500 yards of offense on Lycos 25th ranked defense.  Also put up 24 points vs a D that only gave up 12 points a game. Brockport also stifled Lycos average offense. Brockport wins with offense..Lyco wins with defense. Hopefully will be a good battle. Wasn't last year.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 19, 2013, 10:48:35 AM
Quote from: D3viewer on August 17, 2013, 11:29:55 PM
Quote from: SBMC on August 11, 2013, 06:38:25 PM
Lycoming picked #1 in the MAC seems like Lycoming is reloading ...thoughts?

Hmmm. Brockport ambushed them last season at their place. I wonder if they took them too lightly..Brockport coming off a 2-8 season. Can Lyco return the favor at Brockport on their new turf ?
Brockport offense ranked 16th in the country last season and almost dropped 500 yards of offense on Lycos 25th ranked defense.  Also put up 24 points vs a D that only gave up 12 points a game. Brockport also stifled Lycos average offense. Brockport wins with offense..Lyco wins with defense. Hopefully will be a good battle. Wasn't last year.

Brockport surprised a lot of people early in the year, but kind of fell off as the season progressed. Now, regarding Lycoming, they have always been solid. I think for the coaches in the conference to rank them number one, it kind of shows that each team respected them and based upon the returning players, have the best chance if they play up to their potential can run the table in the MAC. That's the thing with the MAC, you never know which team is going to run the table or if they are going to get into a screwy tie at the end of the season and the team that we think should go to the playoffs doesn't go. I guess we all have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on August 20, 2013, 10:59:59 PM
Lyco..this is where you will be playing your first game. Pop the cherry. Good luck.
http://www.gobrockport.com/news/2013/5/15/FH_0515130056.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 21, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
Looks like this will be a great year in the MAC!   Looks like lots of parity.

We will certainly find out shortly.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on August 22, 2013, 02:09:10 PM
Del Val's roster is up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 22, 2013, 03:35:27 PM
Simba

In honor of your return, I have placed my prediction of the MAC final standings for the 2013 season.
1.  Widener
2.  Delaware Valley
3.  Lebanon Valley 
4.  Stevenson
5.  Albright
6.  Wilkes
6A.  King's
7.  Misericordia
8.  FDU-Florham
9.  Central Bucks West High School
10. Little Sisters of the Poor
11. Ampipe High
12. Lycoming
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on August 22, 2013, 06:19:02 PM
Quote from: bman on August 22, 2013, 03:35:27 PM
Simba

In honor of your return, I have placed my prediction of the MAC final standings for the 2013 season.
1.  Widener
2.  Delaware Valley
3.  Lebanon Valley 
4.  Stevenson
5.  Albright
6.  Wilkes
6A.  King's
7.  Misericordia
8.  FDU-Florham
9.  Central Bucks West High School
10. Little Sisters of the Poor
11. Ampipe High
12. Lycoming

RE #11...
If Nickerson just had Rifleman fall on the ball, Ampipe would have beaten Walnut Heights.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 22, 2013, 08:28:45 PM
Was at DVC today...team was practicing on the new turf. Looks great also has the new jogging track around it. Lights are not up yet. They got some big boys on the line thats for sure....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lewdogg11 on August 23, 2013, 08:48:46 AM
Has anyone actually ever see the Little Sisters of the Poor play?  They seem to show up on a lot of polls so they can't be that bad.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 23, 2013, 09:19:07 AM
Quote from: PBR... on August 22, 2013, 08:28:45 PM
Was at DVC today...team was practicing on the new turf. Looks great also has the new jogging track around it. Lights are not up yet. They got some big boys on the line thats for sure....

I am sure they are adjusting to the temperature change...however since it has been cool as of late, may not hit them now. I know it can get up to 15-20 degrees hotter on some days.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 23, 2013, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on August 23, 2013, 08:48:46 AM
Has anyone actually ever see the Little Sisters of the Poor play?  They seem to show up on a lot of polls so they can't be that bad.

No...but heard they have blazing speed....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 23, 2013, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: PBR... on August 23, 2013, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on August 23, 2013, 08:48:46 AM
Has anyone actually ever see the Little Sisters of the Poor play?  They seem to show up on a lot of polls so they can't be that bad.

No...but heard they have blazing speed....

And Huge too.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on August 24, 2013, 06:56:39 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on August 23, 2013, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: PBR... on August 23, 2013, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on August 23, 2013, 08:48:46 AM
Has anyone actually ever see the Little Sisters of the Poor play?  They seem to show up on a lot of polls so they can't be that bad.

No...but heard they have blazing speed....

And Huge too.

I've seen them play.  And I don't like their spot on that poll.  They would have a very hard time against Ampipe's 6-2 stack monster.  Ampipe should be higher.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on August 24, 2013, 11:31:24 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on August 24, 2013, 06:56:39 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on August 23, 2013, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: PBR... on August 23, 2013, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on August 23, 2013, 08:48:46 AM
Has anyone actually ever see the Little Sisters of the Poor play?  They seem to show up on a lot of polls so they can't be that bad.

No...but heard they have blazing speed....

And Huge too.

I've seen them play.  And I don't like their spot on that poll.  They would have a very hard time against Ampipe's 6-2 stack monster.  Ampipe should be higher.

But Sister Mary Elephant is back as the offensive coordinator and has installed the single wing.  Ampipes Monster backers aren't big enough to handle the blockers.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on August 27, 2013, 03:52:39 PM
Sorry Lyco and fans ( for the misinformation).  Looks like Brockport's new stadium will not be ready for the first game and it will be played at a "neutral" site..the U of R. Just noticed today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 03, 2013, 06:40:04 PM
A look into the mindset of the Warriors going into this weekend's game..One quote early in Aug from Coach Clark was that in last year's game, "they beat us up and took our lunch money"!  Any other quotes or opinions out there D3 fans?   Simba

http://wnep.com/2013/09/02/lycoming-looking-at-brockport-in-opener/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 03, 2013, 08:22:22 PM
gordon, not making the wesley game this friday, cant get there from here in time, so i am going with the next best game close by, rowan at del val.  will see you at the game.

bman, how does widener look.  can they replace the qb?  do they still have the stud receiver?  could be a good game, but i think widener will have trouble scoring.  not sure what wesley will do with the ball either since they are replacing their qb too.  enjoy the game if you get to it, the 6 o'clock start time kills my chances of getting there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 03, 2013, 11:57:02 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 03, 2013, 08:22:22 PM
gordon, not making the wesley game this friday, cant get there from here in time, so i am going with the next best game close by, rowan at del val.  will see you at the game.

bman, how does widener look.  can they replace the qb?  do they still have the stud receiver?  could be a good game, but i think widener will have trouble scoring.  not sure what wesley will do with the ball either since they are replacing their qb too.  enjoy the game if you get to it, the 6 o'clock start time kills my chances of getting there.

Anyone know, if the game will have video, don't mine paying for the stream.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 04, 2013, 07:19:32 AM
I know that we are broadcasting on WDEL 1150AM out of Wilmington which reaches into the Chester area. Their was talk of syncing our broadcast to a live stream this year but I don't know if that is set up as yet. (I will check.) wdel.com or the WDEL app work too.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 04, 2013, 10:19:22 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 03, 2013, 08:22:22 PM
gordon, not making the wesley game this friday, cant get there from here in time, so i am going with the next best game close by, rowan at del val.  will see you at the game.

bman, how does widener look.  can they replace the qb?  do they still have the stud receiver?  could be a good game, but i think widener will have trouble scoring.  not sure what wesley will do with the ball either since they are replacing their qb too.  enjoy the game if you get to it, the 6 o'clock start time kills my chances of getting there.
Wesleydad
Unfortunately a commitment I made last year, kills my chances of going as well.  I will be tuned into WDEL and will be listening.
I think we will have a pleasant surprise in Chester this year.  I know expectations are less, due to the coaching and Offensive vacancies.  I think there is a ton of talent though, and I have heard really good things about the coaching staff.
Regarding the Wesley game, I am a bit worried, and am hopeful for a good game, but I think it's a bit much to have any expectation for a win.  It is a great thing that this game is occurring, both for the region and for the Pride, as it gets them experience against a true national power team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 05, 2013, 05:45:22 PM
Probably will not be able to make the DelVal/Rowan game on sat., but will certainly be listening to Gordon Mann's call of the game.  Also huge congratulations to the DVC retired AD, Frank Wolfgang, who is being inducted into the school's Hall of Fame at halftime.  Should be quite a day - Go Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 05, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
Thanks, Kate.

Here's where you (and anyone else) can listen to the game starting at 12:40 pm.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-football-2011
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 06, 2013, 08:08:57 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 05, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
Thanks, Kate.

Here's where you (and anyone else) can listen to the game starting at 12:40 pm.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delaware-valley-football-2011

Gordon have you seen the stadium and field yet? Looks great, been there several times now with my daughter starting there this fall.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 06, 2013, 01:55:36 PM
Yeah, it does look nice, especially the track which I didn't realize they were fixing.  With the black granulated rubber, the field gets hot in the late afternoon but I'm very glad Del Val was able to make that improvement.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 06, 2013, 04:37:43 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 06, 2013, 01:55:36 PM
Yeah, it does look nice, especially the track which I didn't realize they were fixing.  With the black granulated rubber, the field gets hot in the late afternoon but I'm very glad Del Val was able to make that improvement.

Now Gordon you need to make a nice donation to get the new track stadium going across the railroad tracks... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 06, 2013, 08:02:33 PM
Widener up 21-20 on Wesley early in the third. WOW!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 06, 2013, 10:18:51 PM
Nice win for Stevenson tonight. It's hard not to be jealous when watching the video production of their broadcasts. That's a really, really nice production.

Also, good showing for Widener tonight against the toughest possible opponent in this part of D3 land. Wesley has so many incredible athletes, it's hard to hang with them. The stats bear that out with Wesley gaining 644 yards, sacking Widener eight times and holding the Pride to 81 yards rushing.

Anthony Davis has eyebrow raising talent for Widener.  I can't think of many other guys in the MAC who have that much talent.  And Wesley usually has 3-5 guys like that on each side of the ball.  Exhibit A: Steve Koudossou who has 266 yards and four touchdowns on 17 catches.  Exhibit B: Three Wolverines have multiple sacks in the first game.

Nevertheless, Widener's new coach and quarterback acquitted themselves very well, leading Wesley at the break in a very tough place to play.  If anyone thought Widener would take a big step back after losing QB Haupt and Coach Collins, this should quiet those thoughts.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 07, 2013, 12:23:54 AM
Have to stay I was impressed with Widener early tonight. I think that they will win a lot games this year in the MAC this year. Klein at QB had a nice start going 14 of first 16. The receivers a good group and the defense is a physical bunch. Wesley did a nice job adjusting, disgusing coverage and pressing the receivers from the mid second quarter on. Once Wesley took away the short routes though, the Pride O struggled, getting just one 1st down from mid second to early 4th Q.

Widener plays at a fast Oregon-style pace which helped them early but killed them later. Their D was on the field for 37 minutes. I am not in love with trend of playing fast all the time. If you face a team of equal or better talent and has some depth, it just puts too much pressure on your defense. Especially if your opponent strings together a few 3-and-outs. I really believe that there times to speed in up and times you really need to slow it down.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 07, 2013, 01:47:28 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 06, 2013, 10:18:51 PM
Nice win for Stevenson tonight. It's hard not to be jealous when watching the video production of their broadcasts. That's a really, really nice production.

;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 07, 2013, 07:34:48 AM
Nice job Widener against a top notch opponent in Wesley.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 07, 2013, 09:48:04 AM
Looking forward to getting my road trips started and heading out to Del Val today for their game with Rowan.  Should be a good one and getting to see the new field will be an added bonus.  Chatting with Gordon will be fun as always.  Yay, it is football season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 07, 2013, 03:54:35 PM
HUGE Congratulations to Del Val coming from behind this afternoon to beat the Rowan Profs, 35/27!   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 07, 2013, 05:38:28 PM
Talk about coming back from the dead.  Del Val looked totally listless for the first half.  Down 27 - 7 late in the third and it still did not look like they had any chance to get back in the game.  I don't think anyone at the game thought there was any chance for the Aggies at that point.  Great 4th quarter aided buy a very vanilla Rowan offense's inability to get a first down and run off some clock.  Glad to see the Aggies attack the short passing game in the second half and finally jump a short pass route for the key interception to seal the win.  Nice comeback win for the Aggies and I am sure that the Rowan team is very disappointed in the loss.  Good luck the rest of the season.  Field turf looks great.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 07, 2013, 07:26:59 PM
Can anyone shed some light on what happened to Lyco?  Lot's of enthusiasm prior to the season, but that was a beatdown...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2013, 08:02:22 PM
That's a headscratcher, but Lycoming lost by a similar margin last year, only to turn it around 7 days later at Del Val.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 07, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
They beat us up and took our lunch money again!!!  Hopefully this time we filed a Police report!   :-)

Simba

http://athletics.lycoming.edu/news/2013/9/7/FOOT_0907132516.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 07, 2013, 10:15:39 PM
I was at last year's game and I think that Brockport is bigger, more physical and as fast a Lyco
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 11, 2013, 03:22:07 PM
Some of you may feel that this forum is not the place to do this but I'm going to do it anyway...

Every year on this date, America reflects on what happened in 2001...I too have those horrible memories but one picture remains ingrained in my brain, a 6'3, 275lb "unsung hero" with a big smile and dimple... Justin "Jud" Molisani Jr. died at work in one of the towers that fateful morning in September...

In reading accounts on-line over the years about what Jud did that day (putting others first ahead of himself), he, in fact, became a real Hero long after his OL playing days at Lycoming...I'll never forget his smile and positive attitude while he was still a "wet behind the ears Frosh" back in the late 70's...

May God bless his wife Jodi and their daughter Morgan (now 15) and know that the Warrior Family will always have you and him in our thoughts and prayers...

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 11, 2013, 03:31:09 PM
Thank you for sharing, Simba.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 12, 2013, 11:02:49 AM
Simba
I can't think of a better forum...we need to remember the victims, and the impact this event had on our families and our communities.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 13, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
Looking forward to Gordon's call of the Misericordia/DelVal game tomorrow afternoon.  Good luck, Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 13, 2013, 11:51:20 PM
Congrats to Coach Surace and the Devils - always great to start off the year with an NJAC win!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on September 15, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
Final tally of the NJAC MAC challenge.

http://www.njacsports.com/news/2012/8/28/FB_0828125114.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 16, 2013, 10:40:31 AM
D3viewer, that's a great, concise write up.  Thanks for posting.  While I'm here, Good luck with Albright on Sat., Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
Lots of talk about DV on other boards, and now they have cracked the top 25.  Personally I am not yet convinced.  I'll need to see a quality win(and please don't bore me with Rowan as I don't see them as a top 25 team this year...), before I begin to believe they are the real deal... A nice team...yes, but MAC division champs...well lets just say I'll need more convincing...
Wondering why not much talk about this yet?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 20, 2013, 09:05:55 AM
Quote from: bman on September 19, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
Lots of talk about DV on other boards, and now they have cracked the top 25.  Personally I am not yet convinced.  I'll need to see a quality win(and please don't bore me with Rowan as I don't see them as a top 25 team this year...), before I begin to believe they are the real deal... A nice team...yes, but MAC division champs...well lets just say I'll need more convincing...
Wondering why not much talk about this yet?

As far as what I seen, the team has showed some guts, they came back in dramatic fashion against a good Rowan team and they did what they had to do against Misericordia. I don't think that nobody is saying that they are the 'REAL DEAL' yet. As you aforementioned, I think they have to prove that they can beat some of the other top MAC teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 20, 2013, 11:56:13 AM
Quote from: bman on September 19, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
Lots of talk about DV on other boards, and now they have cracked the top 25.  Personally I am not yet convinced.  I'll need to see a quality win(and please don't bore me with Rowan as I don't see them as a top 25 team this year...), before I begin to believe they are the real deal... A nice team...yes, but MAC division champs...well lets just say I'll need more convincing...
Wondering why not much talk about this yet?

A valid post bman, dlip thinks you are quite correct in this assessment of the Aggies. dlip does believe though that they are definitely deserving of being on the radar as a potentil top team in the east with their first two wins paired with the succes they have had in the MAC over the last five years or so. Way to early to tell though and the MAC competition will be quite telling in regards to the legitimacy of the Aggies here in 2013.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 20, 2013, 12:54:48 PM
I still think Lycoming and Widener are the favorites, but we'll see how Del Val does with Albright and Stevenson the next two weeks.  Both are tough ones.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 20, 2013, 04:42:09 PM
Bman:

Check your personal messages.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 20, 2013, 09:51:52 PM
Got to watch a bit of the Stevenson game and I have to say, I like what I saw. Their is still room for improvement, but they have the players to make every game interesting. As It was mentioned on the 'take' they are a team on the radar.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 21, 2013, 08:58:38 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 20, 2013, 04:42:09 PM
Bman:

Check your personal messages.

Thank you..

I did send a reply
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 21, 2013, 03:47:11 PM
Whew!  Albright played One HECK of a game, but Del Val pulled it out with 2 seconds on the clock on a Brandon Snyder field goal!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUKaz00 on September 24, 2013, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: D3viewer on September 15, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
Final tally of the NJAC MAC challenge.

http://www.njacsports.com/news/2012/8/28/FB_0828125114.aspx

The weirdest result of the challenge has to be that Lycoming only scored a safety in both their losses to Port.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 24, 2013, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: AUKaz00 on September 24, 2013, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: D3viewer on September 15, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
Final tally of the NJAC MAC challenge.

http://www.njacsports.com/news/2012/8/28/FB_0828125114.aspx

The weirdest result of the challenge has to be that Lycoming only scored a safety in both their losses to Port.

The first year it was a safety; this year it was a PAT return. But agreed, it's odd that Lycoming scored a total of 4 points against NJAC foe Brockport in two games.
                                                                                                                         saterday
Could be a long game for the Saxons if they don't muster more than 2 points Saturday night at the Eagles' Homecoming/renovated stadium debut.

On Saxon Warriors!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 27, 2013, 12:46:48 PM
Talk about how dead this board has become...
2 great games(hopefully) on tap this weekend...
The normal Lycoming/Widener slugfest...
and now the Stevenson/Del val game where we get to see how legitimate Stevenson is...

...and no one's talking... :(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on September 27, 2013, 12:52:38 PM
Pep has a real gift for silencing the boards..... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 27, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
bman - I agree with you. I think the Lycoming/Widener game will set the stage for who has the big edge for the conference title. That seems obvious, but this is an early season game that will determine who is going to have to play catch-up the rest of the season and who will be looking for help from other teams to stay in the hunt.

Stevenson vs. Del Val is a really interesting game. I have obviously been watching Stevenson this year, but I am not buying completely in just yet. I think they are a far better team than in years past and some of the additions like Trey Lee make them dangerous. The defense is also so much better than they have had in the past thanks to the fact that injuries last season forced players to learn far quicker than intended. However, Del Val is always a very difficult team who just doesn't make that many mistakes. Even last year when they looked sketchy early in the season, they roared back. The fact this game is at Del Val may actually be the deciding factor for this one (and if Stevenson can continue to improve the number of penalties called on them).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 27, 2013, 02:15:38 PM
Pep

I think this board has done a fantastic job of silencing itself... ::)

Dave

Thanks for the assessment.   I view the Stevenson/Del Val game as an acid test for Stevenson (Albright result factored in...).  I wouldn't hazard a guess on whther the could beat Del Val, but will be very interested in the result.  In anycase, Stevenson's increasing stregnth, throws in intersting dynamic into the MAC, and hopefully will for years to come..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 27, 2013, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: bman on September 27, 2013, 02:15:38 PM
Pep

I think this board has done a fantastic job of silencing itself... ::)

Dave

Thanks for the assessment.   I view the Stevenson/Del Val game as an acid test for Stevenson (Albright result factored in...).  I wouldn't hazard a guess on whther the could beat Del Val, but will be very interested in the result.  In anycase, Stevenson's increasing stregnth, throws in intersting dynamic into the MAC, and hopefully will for years to come..

Until a short time ago, Stevenson was the 800-pound gorilla sitting in the living room, perhaps ignored by many. That, I genuinely fear, has changed.

The day might not be far off when Stevenson will be a troublesome rival for Lycoming, Widener, and, especially, Delaware Valley for MAC supremacy.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 27, 2013, 06:57:25 PM
I agree with Warren. Stevenson is on the rise.  We'll get a sense for their how high they've risen tomorrow.  The next two weekends are huge for Lyco and Del Val. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 28, 2013, 04:05:42 PM
Not sure of the final score as the audio & live stats both died with about two minutes to go, but I'm pretty darn sure the Aggies beat Stevenson - check the DVC site or Pat's score board - I gotta get

dinner.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 28, 2013, 04:51:43 PM
Rough day on the internet connection, but Del Val won 41-23.  Kyle Schuberth ties a school record with four touchdowns.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 28, 2013, 05:27:41 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 28, 2013, 04:51:43 PM
Rough day on the internet connection, but Del Val won 41-23.  Kyle Schuberth ties a school record with four touchdowns.

I think the experience in close games came through for Del Val. I think Del Val made some bigs plays late. Nevertheless, good game by both teams.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 29, 2013, 09:03:50 AM
Wow...a typical close game barn burner between Widener and Lycoming...coming down to a (Missed) 36 yd field goal...
Wish I could have been there!

Congrats to Lyco on a BIG win...
As Gordon mentioned, looks like WU will now be playing catch-up/spoiler..

Looking at the stats, WU had only 15yds rushing, and that's not going to cut it...more balance needed...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 29, 2013, 01:04:07 PM
Huge congratulations to Lycoming for knocking off Widener yesterday in what looks like a well-played game!  Well, fans, that sets up a meeting between Lyco & the Aggies for next Sat.  Two MAC undefeated teams here - would love to hear a week-long commentary on that game!  Technicalities from those in the know!  Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 29, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
That isn't the only game... Widener vs. Stevenson is also a very big game to see who stays in the hunt... as you hear Gordon talk about in this week's D3report with me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVGgiISsAnQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVGgiISsAnQ)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 29, 2013, 04:11:12 PM
Thanks, Dave - great review of that game, and Gordon, hope like heck to prove you wrong next week! ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 29, 2013, 06:34:18 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 29, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
That isn't the only game... Widener vs. Stevenson is also a very big game to see who stays in the hunt... as you hear Gordon talk about in this week's D3report with me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVGgiISsAnQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVGgiISsAnQ)

Great report, love the breakdown about the MAC going forward.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 29, 2013, 06:49:12 PM
Dlip can't help but be happy for Stevenson. How exciting for the players and the school to be doing so well so fast. Dlip had a feeling they would do well after seeing the facilities and the school's obvious commitment to the program. Congrats on an excellent effort against Del Val.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 29, 2013, 10:23:25 PM
Gordon and d-mac...Good Stuff!!!...We shall see after "the meat of the schedule" concludes, who will be eating prime rib and who will be eating crow!...May the feast begin and of course wash it down with some Lager! :-)

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 04, 2013, 05:56:52 PM
Just a Real OLD cheer here for my Aggies tomorrow at Lycoming "Hit em High, Hit em Low, Come ON, Aggies, Let's GO!!!  We'll be listening to Gordon's call of the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 04, 2013, 09:57:11 PM
Rick-it-ee...Rack-it-ee...Sis...Boom...Bah,
Lyco beats the Aggies...Rah...Rah...Rah! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 05, 2013, 03:52:07 PM
Well, for all you Lycoming fans on here, congratulations - Lyco 19/Del Val 16.   From my point of view - DARN IT!   From your point of view, good stuff.   :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 05, 2013, 04:11:13 PM
Ps:  What IS Brockport's secret?  They lost today, I think, to Rowan by four points.  That saying is so darn trite, but that's why they play the games.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 05, 2013, 07:43:37 PM
Hey Simba, and

How does roast Ram taste anyway?  Are you going to the LVC game next week?  I have been monitoring the games on the pc - tough wins the last two weeks but looks like the boys may be on a MAC roll.  Trust you are well - let's have a Yingling and toast the lads!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on October 06, 2013, 09:14:22 PM
Quote from: kate on October 05, 2013, 04:11:13 PM
Ps:  What IS Brockport's secret?  They lost today, I think, to Rowan by four points.  That saying is so darn trite, but that's why they play the games.

Secret to what ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 06, 2013, 09:18:23 PM
For beating Lyco (bad) that first game of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 07, 2013, 02:29:41 PM
Lyco80

Knowing it's all Greek to me Capt. Jack, we had lamb instead of ram and it's not even Easter!...And boy did it taste good washing it down with the local beverage of choice!...The local SKOOKS left Simba's Lair with their swords swinging high and low now having to wait patiently another week to deliver the next blow!...

Absolutely nothing wrong with winning ugly...A buddy of mine from "Yangville" who played for Del-Val back in the day at offensive tackle, was in the Lair watching the game on the big screen with us and said it was like watching not who wanted to win, but who was fighting not to lose...missed extra points, missed field goals, personal fouls, turnovers...very ugly!....But as they say, we'll take the "W"...

As always Sir, thank you for your service to our Country...

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on October 07, 2013, 09:07:46 PM
Quote from: kate on October 06, 2013, 09:18:23 PM
For beating Lyco (bad) that first game of the season.

And the first game last season. Look no farther than your own coaches words. Basically Brockport is/was bigger, faster, stronger..more athletic.
Also Lyco is known for defense and their defensive coaches got ambushed in 2012..and had all offseason to prepare for Bport this season and still had no answers.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 07, 2013, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: D3viewer on October 07, 2013, 09:07:46 PM
Quote from: kate on October 06, 2013, 09:18:23 PM
For beating Lyco (bad) that first game of the season.

And the first game last season. Look no farther than your own coaches words. Basically Brockport is/was bigger, faster, stronger..more athletic.
Also Lyco is known for defense and their defensive coaches got ambushed in 2012..and had all offseason to prepare for Bport this season and still had no answers.

Pep was unable to attend the Alfred-Brockport State game but Pep's 85-year-old father, who has missed all of THREE home games at Alfred since he was 9 years old, was at Brockport. Pops said that Brockport was ATHLETIC and HUGE! (They were big, too!) He said they will cause some trouble for E8 teams next year. Pep credits Brockport's taunting fans for firing up the Saxons and the coaching staff making halftime adjustments to shut down the potent Brockport attack in the second half of the 34-28 OT win.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on October 08, 2013, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 07, 2013, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: D3viewer on October 07, 2013, 09:07:46 PM
Quote from: kate on October 06, 2013, 09:18:23 PM
For beating Lyco (bad) that first game of the season.

And the first game last season. Look no farther than your own coaches words. Basically Brockport is/was bigger, faster, stronger..more athletic.
Also Lyco is known for defense and their defensive coaches got ambushed in 2012..and had all offseason to prepare for Bport this season and still had no answers.

Pep was unable to attend the Alfred-Brockport State game but Pep's 85-year-old father, who has missed all of THREE home games at Alfred since he was 9 years old, was at Brockport. Pops said that Brockport was ATHLETIC and HUGE! (They were big, too!) He said they will cause some trouble for E8 teams next year. Pep credits Brockport's taunting fans for firing up the Saxons and the coaching staff making halftime adjustments to shut down the potent Brockport attack in the second half of the 34-28 OT win.

On Saxon Warriors!

But did they have blazing speed?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 08, 2013, 10:01:35 AM
The puzzling thing about the Brockport-Lycoming score is this chain of results...

Brockport 30, Lycoming 2
Delaware Valley 35, Rowan 27
Rowan 20, Brockport 16
Lycoming 19, Delaware Valley 16

Lycoming and Delaware Valley were pretty even in terms of size, speed and strength, at least to my eyes based on Saturday's game.  The same was true of Rowan and Del Val. And the score indicates Brockport was pretty even with Rowan.

If Brockport was altogether superior to Lycoming, then shouldn't they have handled Rowan?  This isn't intended to play the comparative score game ("If X beats Y and Y beats Z...").  It just points out how strange that Lycoming-Brockport State result looks based on where the teams finished last year, where they are headed this year and how much Brockport dominated Lycoming in two consecutive openers.

As for Coach Clark's comments, it's easier for coaches to say Team X beat us because they are much better than us.  And that certainly was the case on that day.  But when results over a period of time aren't consistent, then you have to revisit whether Team X was inherently superior (stronger, faster, bigger) or whether they do something particularly well that counters the other team's strengths or highlights their weaknesses.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 08, 2013, 10:56:34 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 08, 2013, 10:01:35 AM
The puzzling thing about the Brockport-Lycoming score is this chain of results...

Brockport 30, Lycoming 2
Delaware Valley 35, Rowan 27
Rowan 20, Brockport 16
Lycoming 19, Delaware Valley 16

Lycoming and Delaware Valley were pretty even in terms of size, speed and strength, at least to my eyes based on Saturday's game.  The same was true of Rowan and Del Val. And the score indicates Brockport was pretty even with Rowan.

If Brockport was altogether superior to Lycoming, then shouldn't they have handled Rowan?  This isn't intended to play the comparative score game ("If X beats Y and Y beats Z...").  It just points out how strange that Lycoming-Brockport State result looks based on where the teams finished last year, where they are headed this year and how much Brockport dominated Lycoming in two consecutive openers.

As for Coach Clark's comments, it's easier for coaches to say Team X beat us because they are much better than us.  And that certainly was the case on that day.  But when results over a period of time aren't consistent, then you have to revisit whether Team X was inherently superior (stronger, faster, bigger) or whether they do something particularly well that counters the other team's strengths or highlights their weaknesses.

I think this is why I love football and the X's and O's of it. Games can be decided in a variety of ways (i.e. skill level, depth, etc...) However, I think at certain times it is about matchups and how the coaches handle those matchups. Week after week, coaches come up with specific game plans/schemes for an opponent, yet when two teams are evenly matched athletically, I think the team that makes the proper adjustments usually comes out victorious. You see that when teams play these tough season games and in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on October 08, 2013, 08:46:06 PM
Good points by all.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 08, 2013, 08:59:37 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on October 08, 2013, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 07, 2013, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: D3viewer on October 07, 2013, 09:07:46 PM
Quote from: kate on October 06, 2013, 09:18:23 PM
For beating Lyco (bad) that first game of the season.

And the first game last season. Look no farther than your own coaches words. Basically Brockport is/was bigger, faster, stronger..more athletic.
Also Lyco is known for defense and their defensive coaches got ambushed in 2012..and had all offseason to prepare for Bport this season and still had no answers.

Pep was unable to attend the Alfred-Brockport State game but Pep's 85-year-old father, who has missed all of THREE home games at Alfred since he was 9 years old, was at Brockport. Pops said that Brockport was ATHLETIC and HUGE! (They were big, too!) He said they will cause some trouble for E8 teams next year. Pep credits Brockport's taunting fans for firing up the Saxons and the coaching staff making halftime adjustments to shut down the potent Brockport attack in the second half of the 34-28 OT win.

On Saxon Warriors!

But did they have blazing speed?

Well, of course! +K
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 10, 2013, 09:03:14 PM
Warren...

Monos has the Dutchmen playing some really good football since he has come back on his second stint as head coach...What do you think is the key match-up for you in winning the game this week?...Your O against our D or our O against your D?...I feel it would be the latter for you to win...Your D is tough and Gaffney is an animal at LB being #2 in the Country with 10 sacks!...Your thoughts?

All the Best,

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 11, 2013, 10:25:25 AM
The MAC is one heck of a league!  Let's make it even more exciting - Best luck to Leb Val Nation tomorrow afternoon!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 11, 2013, 04:24:32 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 10, 2013, 09:03:14 PM
Warren...

Monos has the Dutchmen playing some really good football since he has come back on his second stint as head coach...What do you think is the key match-up for you in winning the game this week?...Your O against our D or our O against your D?...I feel it would be the latter for you to win...Your D is tough and Gaffney is an animal at LB being #2 in the Country with 10 sacks!...Your thoughts?

All the Best,

Simba

Simba, thanks for your kind post. While the Valley has to be the underdog, they could make the game interesting if the offense consistently connects and the defense plays as it can play. Yes, Gaffney is something else (keep in mind he's a former quarterback).

Given the monsoon we've been having since yesterday morning, I'm happy that Arnold Field now has turf, something I never thought I'd say. I'm a traditionalist (i.e., old fart) who thinks natural grass is the best surface for football, that the single-wing with unbalanced line is a viable formation for the 21st century, and that we ought bring back leather helmets. However, I draw the line at reviving the flying wedge.  ;)

And all the best to you ....

P.S. LVC is fortunate to have brought Jim Monos back to Annville.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 11, 2013, 08:32:41 PM
Warren...

A former QB who was League Offensive Player of the Year in 2010 and League MVP in 2011 on back to back Championship Teams...And now doing what he's doing at Lebanon Valley on Defense at LB...What an athlete!

So you like those leather caps the Maroons, pictured below, wore back in the day for O'Hara's "Gibbsville" Team...I must also say I will always lean towards traditional norms and mores also...Everyone should slow the hell down and relax and smell the coffee...or Lager  :-)   Unless, of course, you're in the Red Zone!

Warren...I salute both teams tomorrow at your Oktoberfest Homecoming knowing it will showcase some of the best student/athletes in Division 3 Football but hoping my Warriors prevail  on their way towards their goal of a 15th MAC Championship...

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 12, 2013, 03:45:57 PM
Holy Cow, Lebanon Valley held on for the win this afternoon, 14/7!!!  Nice to be able to watch on LVC TV!  Congratulations to the Flying Dutchmen!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 12, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
Great win for Leb Val and that swings the conference race wide open.  This is the most open race for the conference title in the last 10 years.  Consider...

* There are two teams tied for first and two more that are a half-game back because of the scheduling anomaly.  Three more -- Stevenson, Albright and King's -- sit one game back of the leaders.

* All of the four teams near the top can win the conference title but none can win the AQ without help. 

If Lebanon Valley wins out, they need Widener to lose to get the AQ.
If Lycoming wins out, they need Leb Val to lose to get the AQ.
If Widener wins out, they need Lycoming to lose to get the AQ.
If Del Val wins out, they need Lycoming to lose to get the AQ.

* This is just the third time in the last 10 years that the conference winner will have a loss in conference. It's the earliest that all teams have picked up one conference loss.

2010: Delaware Valley is the last team to lose a game in the finale against Widener.
2008: Lycoming and Del Val are the last teams to lose a game on October 18
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 13, 2013, 01:00:00 PM
Suddenly I have become a Stevenson and quasi Albright fan! :o

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 18, 2013, 10:00:36 PM
Whew,  not the best played game tonight, but the Aggies beat FDU by a 45/30 score.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 19, 2013, 08:55:09 AM
In the light of day here in Easton (not used to those night games), just want to congratulate Kyle Schuberth of the Aggies - monster game, 4 TD's and becoming just the third Del Val player to surpass 3,000 rushing yards.  Congrats!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 19, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
How about Rowan!?!  Knocking off number 11 Wesley!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 20, 2013, 12:42:38 AM
In case anyone has missed this... King's Ron Garrett has scored a defensive touchdown in five straight games. ESPN's Chris Fowler gave the senior lineman a shout-out on College Game Day Saturday morning - then had a brief conversation with the guys about it Saturday morning.

Today, Garrett scored on a 20-yard fumble recovery after the sack of Stevenson quarterback Zach Jefferson. What is ironic is that Garrett forced John Gasparovic out of the game on a sack... this was Jefferson's first play following the injury (and a King's possession and touchdown).

Here is the play: http://youtu.be/Ej59dXd0qTA (http://youtu.be/Ej59dXd0qTA)
Here is my interview with Garrett: http://youtu.be/6HqnExmHOl4
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 20, 2013, 06:35:37 PM
Great coverage Dave!  It looked for a second like the Qb was attempting a side arm pass, until the sow mo replay...

I hope he gets 2 next week, and 3 the week after:)


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 20, 2013, 07:02:47 PM
Thanks bman... if he continues it would be amazing. I was beside myself directing the production. I could not believe he had the ball bounce to him. He is a great guy. I enjoyed chatting with him prior to the interview.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on October 20, 2013, 07:32:13 PM
Most teams don't score five defensive touchdowns in a season, much less five weeks in a row.

Much, much less, the same guy five weeks in a row.

I was witness to the third one which garnered national play of the week honors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 20, 2013, 07:39:03 PM
I didn't see any of that coverage.  Anyone know if defensive TDs five games in a row by a single player is an all-division all-time record?  (Or at least d3 record?)  That just seems almost inconceivable to me. :o

(In his Heisman winning year as the first primarily defensive player to win, I don't think even Charles Woodson had more than 1 (or at most 2) such consecutive games.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 20, 2013, 07:41:44 PM
There have been a number of people trying to figure it out... but no one thinks anyone has done five... let alone four straight. However... no one can get any confirmation of anything.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 26, 2013, 04:01:25 PM
Incredibly disappointing loss for the Aggies just now - in OT, to King's, 21/14.  Congrats to the Monarchs
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 26, 2013, 04:11:31 PM
Quote from: kate on October 26, 2013, 04:01:25 PM
Incredibly disappointing loss for the Aggies just now - in OT, to King's, 21/14.  Congrats to the Monarchs

Wow!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dutchman70 on October 27, 2013, 04:39:09 PM
How about the Dutchmen this year, a close, until the end, victory @ Misericordia this week, but whats everyones opinion on their chances of winning their final 3 games (@ DVC, vs Stevenson, @ Albright)?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Lyco80 on October 27, 2013, 08:56:25 PM
Dutchman,

I have a hard time seeing them win out - they have a stout defense but not much offense.

Of course, I have a vested interest in them losing a game or two. 

And, since I was in attendance at homecoming this weekend - wow - what a finish to the Lycoming - Albright game!

Tough one to lose for the Lions but what a pressure packed way to win - 24 seconds to go, fourth down, into a 20 mile an hour wind, and I think it was a 35 yard kick too. 

Anyway - a cold day in Williamsport but much warmer thanks to the lads - who really rallied late. 

Happy Halloween and All Saints Day to one and all.

ATB
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dutchman70 on October 28, 2013, 10:56:16 AM
I agree it will be a challenge especially with DVC and Albright ahead, and I'm hearing Wilmer will be back this week for DVC. I've seen all but one game this year for LVC and this is IMO the best defense it has had in a while, maybe even ever, but the Offense is shaky, i feel they have a top notch receiving core, its just they don't have a QB that can get them the ball as they have had in the past. Also congrats on the victory this past weekend over Albright, I'm sure the live stats i was following while at the LVC game do not do that thrilling game justice. I look forward to following the MAC the rest of this season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 02, 2013, 11:25:56 AM
No expectations this afternoon, just going to start out listening to Gordon's call of the DelVal/LebVal game.  At this point focused on Women's b'ball, But,  Good Luck, Aggies!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 02, 2013, 04:24:06 PM
Huge congrats to LebVal winning in OT 34/31.  The best part for us, however, was listening to DVC Coach Hogan at the half talk about the Women's b'ball and their upcoming season.  How about the MAC!?   Like Gordon says, right now they look like the team of destiny.  I'm sure LebVal Nation is ecstatic!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 02, 2013, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: kate on November 02, 2013, 04:24:06 PM
Huge congrats to LebVal winning in OT 34/31. [....]  How about the MAC!?   Like Gordon says, right now they look like the team of destiny.  I'm sure LebVal Nation is ecstatic!

A very nice win for the Valley, especially given that in recent years the Dutchmen had been "snake-bit" vs. the Aggies. It was also the 100th win for Coach Monos.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 02, 2013, 07:15:08 PM
Congrats to Leb Val. I thought of you after the game, Warren.  Good to see Coach Monos and his team have this ride.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 04, 2013, 01:45:23 PM
It's too late to edit my last post, but congrats to Leb Val on breaking into the Top 25.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 04, 2013, 04:24:55 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 04, 2013, 01:45:23 PM
It's too late to edit my last post, but congrats to Leb Val on breaking into the Top 25.

While it's nice, for the first time ever, to be nationally ranked, the recognition does pin an even larger target on the Dutchmen's collective back. Stevenson would dearly love to take down a ranked team that also occupies the MAC top spot (remember what I said weeks ago about  Stevenson being the little-noticed 800-pound gorilla in the MAC living room?). And, of course, there's the "small" matter of playing traditional rival Albright to end the season.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 17, 2013, 07:53:04 AM
Wish we could have heard Gordon's call of the Aggie/Widener game yesterday!  We were in Annville watching our b'ball Aggie Women's team.  Truly sorry for Lebanon Valley's loss to Albright.  Congratulations to Del Val on that huge win!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 18, 2013, 09:33:18 AM
Huge good luck to our three MAC teams in their post season play on Saturday!  Lebanon Valley, please represent well and beat Wittenberg!  In the ECAC's Albright, take care of Juniata and Del Val, you can imagine what I'd like you to do to Franklin & Marshall!  ;).  Go MAC!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 24, 2013, 09:07:56 AM
Congratulations to Albright - as for the rest of us we're looking ahead to 2014!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 25, 2013, 08:20:23 AM
Quote from: kate on November 24, 2013, 09:07:56 AM
Congratulations to Albright - as for the rest of us we're looking ahead to 2014!

Indeed, I was very shock at how both Lebanon Valley and Delaware Valley played, especially Delaware Valley.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on February 13, 2014, 07:35:53 PM
Any comments about Widener HC Bobby Acosta leaving after 1 season (6-4, 6-3) ? widener fans ?
To be TE's coach at Syracuse. I don't know what to think..lateral move ?.promotion ?.demotion ?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on February 14, 2014, 10:52:41 AM
Quote from: D3viewer on February 13, 2014, 07:35:53 PM
Any comments about Widener HC Bobby Acosta leaving after 1 season (6-4, 6-3) ? widener fans ?
To be TE's coach at Syracuse. I don't know what to think..lateral move ?.promotion ?.demotion ?

Depends on how you measure.  If you're talking about dollars, almost certainly a promotion.  Unless Syracuse is really not paying their assistants well at all. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on February 17, 2014, 03:38:15 PM
I'd definitely say a promotion.

Although Widener traditionally pays the highest HFC spot in the MAC,  he's probably making $150-$175K at Syracuse, minimum. Not to mention he's in the BCS game now, and nowhere to go there but up.

I wish him the best of luck!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on February 17, 2014, 06:11:56 PM
It all depends on your point of view. If it's money, then it's a promotion. If its a chance to coach at big-time college football, it's a promotion. If it's a realistic chance to make a long-term mark on a program, or keeping your family in one spot for a long period of time, it's probably not a promotion. While you have almost no chance of moving from a D3 to a D1 head coaching position, he will now get the chance to climb the ladder and have that rare as hen's teeth shot going this route. But usually it involves a lot of hopping around, every couple years, long hours, miserable pressure, and good odds of getting canned because a whole team under performed, whether it was your position or not.

Really it just depends on what your long term goals are. I wish him a lot of luck, it's a very hard path to climb at that level.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on February 20, 2014, 09:35:51 AM
Ol' Alex Yunevich had a crack at the "big-time." Was an assistant coach at Purdue following graduation. Then assisted at Lehigh before landing head coaching job at Central Teachers College in Michigan. After three years at Central Michigan, he'd had enough.

Pep recently visited his 98-year-old widow in Venice, FL. She said it was not a good time at Central Michigan. Alex saw the writing on the wall while still at Purdue. As an assistant, had an office near the head coach and saw the parade of alums and others complaining because the Boilermakers only beat another team by 14 when "the other guys were beating them by 28."

Jim McLane rescued Alex from the rat race and Alex found a home at Alfred.

"They don't burn you in effigy at Alfred," he'd say.

Heck, one year his Saxons didn't win a single game. Nevertheless, that year the Olean Times-Herald made him the guest of honor at their annual Big 30 Banquet.

Alex and Alfred. Fit like a glove. He came in 1937...when USA entered WWII, he served in the Navy and AU dropped football until his return...retired in 1976 with 177 wins, 85 losses and 12 ties and his dignity.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on February 28, 2014, 10:28:04 PM
 Former Winnipeg Blue Bombers head coach Mike Kelly will be the new head coach at Widener. Kelly replaces Bobby Acosta, who accepted the tight ends job at Syracuse earlier this month.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on March 19, 2014, 08:46:04 PM
Del Val's new football coach, Duke Greco!  Coach Clements to D2 Kutztown.  Good luck all around!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on March 20, 2014, 10:42:08 AM
Quote from: kate on March 19, 2014, 08:46:04 PM
Del Val's new football coach, Duke Greco!  Coach Clements to D2 Kutztown.  Good luck all around!

Good hire/promotion by both teams. Good Luck to both coaches in their future endeavors. I always enjoy watching Del Val play, never really boring or predictable.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on May 27, 2014, 10:07:04 AM
FYI... DVC's schedule is out... with new coach Greco. Interesting note DVC will play its first home night game ever, also Montclair game should be interesting. http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2014/5/22/FB_14schedule.aspx
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 30, 2014, 03:01:32 PM
All the MAC schedules are on our site ... a lot of them were slow to come in but they have all been on D3football.com for a couple weeks now.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on June 01, 2014, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: PBR... on May 27, 2014, 10:07:04 AM
FYI... DVC's schedule is out... with new coach Greco. Interesting note DVC will play its first home night game ever, also Montclair game should be interesting. http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2014/5/22/FB_14schedule.aspx

It will be interesting to see what Montclair does with a quality program like Del Val. I feel the OC and Giancolla are living off their reputations. Coach G has a great reputation but it is starting to run thin and the OC, is living in a world of make believe.  We have pulled it together in the past. It is now time. At least we scheduled a good opponent to start off. Crossing my fingers for this year.















Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 05, 2014, 09:54:51 PM
Looks like the MAC got off to a good start against the NJAC. Widener Defense look very good against Rowan. Albright over Kean, which was somewhat expected. Both games lasted into the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 05, 2014, 10:48:28 PM
Watched the Widener-Rowan game on the laptop while listening to Albright on the tablet...Widener dominated through key turnovers...Kean made a comeback attempt in the second half but ran out of gas...Two players ejected from game in first half on Albright's defense...One was their "Captain" who body slammed Kean's QB!...Nice leadership for a team that has 85 Freshmen and Soph's on it...What's the rule on those two for Albright?...Do they now sit the entire game vs Lyco next week or just the first half since they both sat the 2nd half vs Kean?...

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 06, 2014, 11:47:34 AM
Just the 1st half unless the rules have changed since last year. Saw Albright scrimmage Wesley last week, they're going to be tough despite the youth for sure.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on September 13, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
Any word on Lycoming v Albright  ??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 25, 2014, 05:35:06 PM
I listened to Wilkes/Del-Val last Sat night.  Good job on fast action play by play Gordon.  113 PLAYS!!! The scoring by both teams was back and forth for 3 Qtrs until Del-Val eventually pulled away.  So the fast paced Oregon offense is now in Colonel Country with a new head coach. Lyco ran 59 plays last week.  Obviously time of possession must be won by the Warriors Offense and substitutes entered quickly by the Defense this week. One must wonder however if 113 plays couldn't give Wilkes the win @DV, why would it or even more plays give Wilkes the win over Lyco? Lyco's Defense under Defensive guru's Wiser & Weber will scheme Wilkes silly and the Colonel's Offense will eventually run out of plays and time! Lyco 31 Wilkes 17! 

Anyone else want to stick their neck out with some predictions on this very, very, very quiet Board his year?

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 26, 2014, 11:19:16 AM
Thanks for the kind words, Simba.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 05, 2014, 09:46:01 AM
Can't believe that there's no one on here discussing the MAC!!!  That game next Saturday between Del Val and Lycoming should be a humdinger!!!  Where's PBR???  Great job announcing the Aggie/Albright game yesterday, Gordon, especially nice with the DVC video!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 05, 2014, 04:58:06 PM
Quote from: kate on October 05, 2014, 09:46:01 AM
Can't believe that there's no one on here discussing the MAC!!!  That game next Saturday between Del Val and Lycoming should be a humdinger!!!  Where's PBR???  Great job announcing the Aggie/Albright game yesterday, Gordon, especially nice with the DVC video!

It is a little odd, not to hear from more MAC posters. The MAC have three to four teams that can either share or obtain the MAC crown this year. IMHO I think both Lycoming and Widener are my favorites as of now with Delaware Valley and Stevenson in 3rd and 4th respectively. I think this weekend matchup with both Lycoming and Delaware Valley will see how good both teams are. I am not sold on Delaware Valley defense and think they may struggle against a good balance teams such as Lycoming.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 05, 2014, 10:01:55 PM
Why Lyco should win Sat?

1st.  Lyco has won 89% of its games when game time is other than 1pm on Sat!  Game time is NOON!

2nd. Lyco is ranked #7 in passing defense in the country @124yds.  DV is ranked #17 in passing offense @316yds.  NO WAY WILL DV PUT UP 300yds PASSING AGAINST THE WARRIORS!!!  Our defense Guru's Wiser and Weber will call the schemes and our secondary will step up to the challenge!

3rd.  Lyco is ranked #15 in rushing defense @84yds.  DV is ranked #61 in rushing offense @202yds.
I DON'T SEE DV GETTING OVER 100yds RUSHING LET ALONE 200 AGAINST THE WARRIORS!!!

4th.  Our well-balanced offense will do it's talking on the field!  The best way to describe it is "Show us how many are in the box and we will immediately counter it on the line of scrimmage like a fox!"

Opinions welcome. Please share and let's WAKE UP THIS BOARD!

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 06, 2014, 02:21:51 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 05, 2014, 10:01:55 PM
Why Lyco should win Sat?

1st.  Lyco has won 89% of its games when game time is other than 1pm on Sat!  Game time is NOON!

2nd. Lyco is ranked #7 in passing defense in the country @124yds.  DV is ranked #17 in passing offense @316yds.  NO WAY WILL DV PUT UP 300yds PASSING AGAINST THE WARRIORS!!!  Our defense Guru's Wiser and Weber will call the schemes and our secondary will step up to the challenge!

3rd.  Lyco is ranked #15 in rushing defense @84yds.  DV is ranked #61 in rushing offense @202yds.
I DON'T SEE DV GETTING OVER 100yds RUSHING LET ALONE 200 AGAINST THE WARRIORS!!!

4th.  Our well-balanced offense will do it's talking on the field!  The best way to describe it is "Show us how many are in the box and we will immediately counter it on the line of scrimmage like a fox!"

Opinions welcome. Please share and let's WAKE UP THIS BOARD!

Simba

With Wesley being done its D3 schedule, this is the game I am attending this week.  It looks like it should be a good one.  I think Del Val is playing above what some had predicted.  Lyco seems to be doing what they were expected.  I attended the game 2 years ago and Lyco seemed prepared to defeat Del Val, but it did not happen.  Really looking forward to the game and seeing Gordon in the press box.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on October 06, 2014, 02:27:43 PM
I like Lyco but as a former defensive player, my m.o. is always to lean towards teams that play tough D like Lyco does. It's why I picked SLU (who statistically has the better D) to beat RPI by 3 eventhough I wouldn't be surprised if the Engineers won.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 06, 2014, 04:28:46 PM
Thank you wesleydad and ITH radio for your o'pines!

ITH radio, I couldn't agree with you more!  I should of posted #5 above but I didn't so here ya go...

5th. DV's DEFENSE IS GIVING UP OVER 400yds PER GAME!!!  If Lyco's offense limits its turnovers and scores in the Red Zone at least 80% of the time, it will be a no contest!

So far DV is 4-0 by being able to outscore their opponents, and NOT playing any type of defense in doing so!  This week they'll be playing a team that has both a "D" & "O".  Also, that's without the consensus All-American, Troutman, being able to play the last 3 games at Safety!  We have depth and rotate and the Tradition of our program the past 40yrs mandates " Next one up, time to step up!"

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 06, 2014, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 06, 2014, 04:28:46 PM
Thank you wesleydad and ITH radio for your o'pines!

ITH radio, I couldn't agree with you more!  I should of posted #5 above but I didn't so here ya go...

5th. DV's DEFENSE IS GIVING UP OVER 400yds PER GAME!!!  If Lyco's offense limits its turnovers and scores in the Red Zone at least 80% of the time, it will be a no contest!

So far DV is 4-0 by being able to outscore their opponents, and NOT playing any type of defense in doing so!  This week they'll be playing a team that has both a "D" & "O".  Also, that's without the consensus All-American, Troutman, being able to play the last 3 games at Safety!  We have depth and rotate and the Tradition of our program the past 40yrs mandates " Next one up, time to step up!"

Simba

This game kind of reminds me of the Texas A&M v. Miss State game from this past weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2014, 04:05:57 PM
DelVal's defense has been devastated by injuries with seven projected/potential starters out for most if not all of the season. Lyco should win this game as a result and it will come down to Lyco vs. Widener. I'll be interested to see if the winner of that game can replicate DelVal's national quarterfinal seasons from several years back and if either can take out a Mount Union, Whitewater, Mary Hardin-Baylor or Wesley. Beating one of them would really show me something and would give the MAC some national cred!!

Question for Kate...............I'm trying to find out if the two teams will play in men's basketball as DelVal has their entire team back along with six newcomers..................including some real athletes at 6'6", 6'&7" and a 6'9" transfer from Pepperdine who had a nice showing against Notre Dame. I know that Lyco's men's basketball team looks great this upcoming season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 07, 2014, 06:00:33 PM
Hello JM !  In answer to your question, DelVal & Lycoming do not meet in the regular Men's b'ball

Season.  Hope you're wrong with your football analysis!!!  GO AGGIES!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 11, 2014, 01:33:25 PM
Delaware Valley 35 Lycoming 28 at the half

Aaron Wilmer and Tyler Jenny combine to go 15-for-22, 420 yards and six touchdowns.

Who knows how the game ends but I just wanted to memorialize their performance somewhere.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 11, 2014, 03:25:46 PM
Congratulations Aggies!

Throw the Stats out the window...This game is a great example of why they play the game on the field!...Pre-Game analysis using stats do not play well against Homecoming Mo!....The pre halftime bomb gave them BIG MO and it continued into the second half....No pressure on Wilmer the entire game...I have a 5lb crow I'll be munching on the next two weeks until the Widener game...

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 11, 2014, 03:43:27 PM
Don't be too hard on yourself, Simba. I thought the exact same thing before the game was played.

Lyco has a week off and then an enormous game against Widener. Those games are classics.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2014, 05:27:13 PM
Simba - I have no skin in this game but when the Warriors went up 28-14, there were actually some father's standing on the hill chuckling out loud about how horrific the Aggies defense was. From there, the Aggies outscored them 38-14 and I asked them what happened to Lyco's defense and they said in one million years they would have never expected that. Simba, you and I had better be much better at our day jobs than we are at predicting football games:

Why Lyco should win Sat?

1st.  Lyco has won 89% of its games when game time is other than 1pm on Sat!  Game time is NOON! - Simba, I didn't understand that one when you wrote it.....so let's move on :)

2nd. Lyco is ranked #7 in passing defense in the country @124yds.  DV is ranked #17 in passing offense @316yds.  NO WAY WILL DV PUT UP 300yds PASSING AGAINST THE WARRIORS!!!  Our defense Guru's Wiser and Weber will call the schemes and our secondary will step up to the challenge! - Simba, 380 passing yards against All-American Troutman and defensive guru's Weber and Wiser (or would that now be "less Wiser" now? :) )

3rd.  Lyco is ranked #15 in rushing defense @84yds.  DV is ranked #61 in rushing offense @202yds. I DON'T SEE DV GETTING OVER 100yds RUSHING LET ALONE 200 AGAINST THE WARRIORS!!! - Simba, this was the stunner of the game for me. The Aggies outrushed the Warriors, 231 yards to 85 yards, with only nine more carries. Smallwood rushed for 183 yards vs. the pre-season All-American (great kid, I've coached him) Needhammer and his 67 yards on 15 carries. I think that Smallwood should get some votes for first team All MAC running back. If you need a hammer.............call Smallwood (now come on, that was good :) )

4th.  Our well-balanced offense will do it's talking on the field!  The best way to describe it is "Show us how many are in the box and we will immediately counter it on the line of scrimmage like a fox!" - Simba, no comment as the fox had the keys ripped out if its hands and the hen house is safe :) )


5th. DV's DEFENSE IS GIVING UP OVER 400yds PER GAME!!!  If Lyco's offense limits its turnovers and scores in the Red Zone at least 80% of the time, it will be a no contest! - Simba, you are partially correct on this one. After the Aggies spotted the Warriors a 28-14 lead, the rest of the game, crunch time (38-14) was no contest :) )

So far DV is 4-0 by being able to outscore their opponents, and NOT playing any type of defense in doing so!  This week they'll be playing a team that has both a "D" & "O".  Also, that's without the consensus All-American, Troutman, being able to play the last 3 games at Safety!  We have depth and rotate and the Tradition of our program the past 40yrs mandates " Next one up, time to step up!" - Simba, I saw the Warriors "O"......but where was the "D"?? It was far worse than the Aggies!!.......but since you manned up and have a 5 lb. crow (although it should probably be a 100 lb. crow after these predictions, not just the score of a game, but prediction after prediction after prediction not even being close) I will give you your due. I also thought that Lyco would win and the stunned faces of the Lyco players after the game told the story. One player (one of the safeties) went up to his parents after the game, I got as close as possible without being obvious, and the ticked off dad asked what happened. The kid said that they believed that Bailey was the only receiving threat, that Smallwood is a much better running back than they believed and tough to bring down and that the Aggies offensive line was very solid. The father said that he never thought that the Warriors would be "out toughed".......the kid said "neither did I". I think that tells the story better than the numbers.


Simba..............back to our day jobs for me and you, especially you:)

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2014, 05:32:22 PM
Wesleydad - I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the DVC vs. Lyco game? Were you as stunned as me, especially after that 28-14 Lyco lead?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 11, 2014, 05:32:55 PM
One fantastic game Aggies!!!  Huge congrats!  Also great was Gordon at the very end acknowledging Del Val's outstanding b'ball guard, Aggie Drodz, handling the camera for the video!  Outstanding job all the way around! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 11, 2014, 05:44:29 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2014, 05:32:22 PM
Wesleydad - I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the DVC vs. Lyco game? Were you as stunned as me, especially after that 28-14 Lyco lead?

unfortunately, I did not get to go to the game.  But, I can say that I was surprised by the score when I saw it especially after it was 28 - 14.  It sounds like Del Val has it figured out on offense, I can say that I expected them to be this good on O last year.  The last game of the year with Widener looks like a good one.  Lyco can still have a say in that in a couple of weeks when they play Widener.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 11, 2014, 05:51:55 PM
A lot of Lyco chest thumping and trash talking this week...DVC fans kept quiet and knew what the outcome would be... Now we know who the better team is as it was settled on field. DVC is the better team and continues to roll on in the MAC. See ya next year Lyco. Oh and Turkey Day will be fantastic for me since my sister a Lyco grad went to the game today and is not a happy camper.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2014, 05:56:55 PM
wesleydad - You missed a great, crazy game.............a major upset if you listened to the Lyco parents. Question for you.............if you are an Aggie fan, do you want Lyco to beat Widener by a point in a few weeks, so that you can win the conference (if the Aggies go into the Widener game undefeated) by (1) beating Widener or (2) losing a close game to Widener and getting in by tie breaking point differential..............or................would you want Widener to beat Lyco to set up a possible undefeated, winner-take-all game with Widener on the final Saturday of the regular season? Interesting question.

Pat, Gordon, anyone else chime in if you have a thought.

From the D3 Scoreboard page, this really surprised me................."Rasheed Bailey caught nine passes for 195 yards and a touchdown and Chris Smallwood had 180 yards and a score on 25 carries as Delaware Valley scored 50-plus for the fourth consecutive game, defeating No. 20 Lycoming 52-42.

It's Lyco's first loss of the season, while Delaware Valley improved to 5-0.The Aggies held Craig Needhammer to 63 yards on the ground. The Warriors (5-1) had only given up 50 points all season entering the game. It's the most points Lycoming has given up since 1949."

That last sentence is a stunner. Lyco gave up more points today than in their first five games combined..............and the most since 1949??? I am speechless!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2014, 06:10:04 PM
PBR - One of the Lyco players after the game said just that............we need to keep our mouths shut and just play. He said that they felt embarrassed and learned a lesson about smack talk......maybe just in time for the Widener game. I will say that this was one of the classiest games that I have seen in a long time. No cheap shots, no fights, very little shoving and very little chirping.....which all ended as the Aggies got on a roll. There was a ton of respect on that field, due in part to classy coaching staffs and a ton of relationships from high school. The Warriors best receiver (Sibel) comes to DelVal a lot to watch his twin brother (you can't tell them apart) play on the basketball team. DelVal's Danny Wynne and Matt Smith were high school teammates of Craig Needhammer and on and on and on.......

See my previous post as to who an Aggie fan should want to win the Lyco vs. Widener game. I'd be interested in your take.

Also, if you are a hoops fan, you have to check out the Aggie's Men's Basketball team this year. Coach Stitzel brought in the mother load, including a transfer from Pepperdine. Yes, you read that right. They are going to be loaded. I can see the look on Scott Coval's (DeSales head coach) face when he sees this lineup :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 11, 2014, 07:30:08 PM
That fact about Del Val scoring the most of any Lyco opponent since the 1940s came from the Warriors SID Joe Guistina. Big props to him for that fact which probably no one else would have found quickly.

As for the Lyco chest thumping, I only saw Simba post during the week and he already copped to the bad prediction, which I personally agreed with. His prediction wasn't outlandish and it lightened up a dead chat room.

I thought there was no chance the Aggies would score that much. The success running the ball was the biggest surprise. Smallwood is a tough, tough runner and the line did a great job protecting Aaron and opening holes. I've come to expect excellence from Aaron Wilmer, though I still appreciate it every Saturday. And Bailey is playing at a level I've seen from very few receivers at this level.

All in all, a lot to enjoy for Aggies fans but they shouldn't get too far ahead of themselves. Still lots of football left. Del Val has to avoid a let down at improved Stevenson who is right by back in the hunt
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 11, 2014, 07:32:44 PM
Kate:

I enjoyed working with Agatha and got to share my corny nickname for her. She was very gracious about it. Just another reason why I love working with Del Val.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 11, 2014, 07:59:30 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2014, 05:56:55 PM
wesleydad - You missed a great, crazy game.............a major upset if you listened to the Lyco parents. Question for you.............if you are an Aggie fan, do you want Lyco to beat Widener by a point in a few weeks, so that you can win the conference (if the Aggies go into the Widener game undefeated) by (1) beating Widener or (2) losing a close game to Widener and getting in by tie breaking point differential..............or................would you want Widener to beat Lyco to set up a possible undefeated, winner-take-all game with Widener on the final Saturday of the regular season? Interesting question.

Pat, Gordon, anyone else chime in if you have a thought.

From the D3 Scoreboard page, this really surprised me................."Rasheed Bailey caught nine passes for 195 yards and a touchdown and Chris Smallwood had 180 yards and a score on 25 carries as Delaware Valley scored 50-plus for the fourth consecutive game, defeating No. 20 Lycoming 52-42.

It's Lyco's first loss of the season, while Delaware Valley improved to 5-0.The Aggies held Craig Needhammer to 63 yards on the ground. The Warriors (5-1) had only given up 50 points all season entering the game. It's the most points Lycoming has given up since 1949."

That last sentence is a stunner. Lyco gave up more points today than in their first five games combined..............and the most since 1949??? I am speechless!!!


jmcozenlaw, If you are looking to have 2 teams from the MAC make the tournament then you want the last game to be undefeated battle for the title with the loser likely getting into the tournament.  Winning the tie breaker by point differential is weak to me.  Not a fan of that as a deciding factor since each game is so different and sometimes they just get out of hand.  I will be at that game unless something comes up again.  I have not been to a game in 3 weeks which is the longest I have not been to a football game since my oldest son was 6 and he is 29 now.  That is what happens when you are house hunting.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 12, 2014, 05:16:13 PM
I had a chance to watch a little of the second quarter and parts of  second half of the Delaware Valley vs. Lycoming. Delaware Valley offense is really high powered. Del Val made some key plays here and there to keep Lycoming from getting any closer than 3 and Del Val run game came through late to finish the game off. I still think both teams are pretty even. I am looking forward to each teams matchup against Widener, at least Lycoming has a couple weeks before that matchup. However, Delaware Valley has a good Stevenson team that will be coming off a bye. I would think that if there are two one-loss MAC teams, both would make the playoffs, however one of two may be head to Dover or Alliance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 15, 2014, 12:12:46 PM
Obviously pretty dead on here, and was going to post a bit about my dissapointment of some of the teams that have been better in recent years, settling back down to average at best.  Once again, we seem to have a 3 team race (I'll mention the 4th in a moment) that get's settled at the end of the season...I do like the schedule that way, although I do miss the monkeywrenches that have been thrown by Kings, Albright, Leb Val, as they competed for the MAC Championship...not sure why they are having down years...perhaps some can opine to provide some clarity...

What I do find amazing, is some of the stats from the early part of the season...
For perspective I'll throw out the non conference games (but as most were against the NJAC, a fairly even conference) they don't really skew the number much...

Amazing Stat #1
Stevenson - Div record 3-1 ...but have only scored 50 points in those games...the saving grace...they have only given up 51...wow
To put this in perspective, Leb Val who is 1-4 has scored 109 and Wilkes at 2-2 has scored 142..
Putting this into perspective, I wonder if Stevenson will be competitive against Del Val, and will be more than a spoiler ta the end of the day...This is the 4th team I mention above...need a win against Del Val or Widener to make these defensive numbers more impressive.

Amazing Stat #2
Del Val - Div. record 4-0 Have scored 221 points in those 4 games (55 point average)...Yikes!  The down side they have given up 142 points in those games (35.5 points)...Del Val looks like they will roll unless the offense has a bad day or is out of synch... This looks strikingly familiar to Chip Kelly teams does it not?...perhaps there is a tie in somewhere...:)


Amazing Stat #3
Widener - Div record 4-0  in 4 games have given up 26 points (6.5 per game)...Given that on the other side of the ball they are scoring 40 points a game, on paper they look impressive.  What these stats lack though is a win (or at least a game) against Lyco, Del Val or Stevenson... All of WU's wins are against the bottom half of the Division.  The one caveat is that WU does have a win against a Quality opponent in Rowan, and the stats don't change much...In anycase, wins against the remaining top 3 are the only real stat that counts here...


Not so Amazing  Stat #1
Once again, there is a very clear striation in the division: 
The top tier are 15-2
The Mid tier   4-4
The Bottom Tier 3-16

Same old MAC...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 15, 2014, 04:36:34 PM
bman...

Welcome back to the board!...Been trying to get some people back for three weeks now...Your opinion is spot on...I, last week, tried to put some statistical analysis out there to support mine but all I got this week is a big stomach ache from the now 3lb crow I've been eating which originally weighed 5lb!...

Hate loosing when you feel you have the better team but obviously that was not the case last Sat...Del-Val was the better team that day...Our defense put no pressure on Wilmer all day so he led a balanced 611yd, 52 point attack giving us our worst beat down since 1949!

HOWEVER...WE STILL HAVE 4 TO GO AND I KNOW THE WARRIORS WILL BE IN EACH OF THEM!

Yea, the same old MAC, but now with newer stadiums!...I loved your old one, especially at Homecoming when you had your open bar in the one end zone the entire game!!!...I had to have a lottery for seats in my "Magic Bus" every other year because of the great "Game Day" environment your end zone provided...everyone wanted to go...The best end zone seats in College Football!

Pride over Colonels
Mustangs over Aggies (let down away game)
Warriors watching on the web!

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 16, 2014, 09:13:27 AM
Simba

Thanks!  Glad to see you back as well!
Admittedly I have been lurking all season.  I couldn't find anything wrong with your post ...(oh and I do try!  ;) )and so didn't add anything to it...it was a logical conclusion, given last year, and what we've seen this year.  My silence saved me from that meal of crow as well... 
I think we all (except for the Del Val faithful) underestimated their offense.  I was travelling on Saturday and couldn't get audio or video, but was monitoring the score.  I have to say I was shocked when I initially logged in and saw the score at 21-21 prior to half.  I had assumed that this was going to be a defensive battle.  I was dying to get some video...

I do also miss the old stadium at WU.  I understood their need  to get newer academic buildings on campus, and the limited space they had made it logical to use the space, but it removed a great venue... The new complex, which much nicer, is so far off campus, and offers so little in terms of a tailgate experience, it's hard to get folks back together...and while you can still watch the game from the North Ends Zone...there is definietly no bar to be found... :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2014, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 15, 2014, 04:36:34 PM
Pride over Colonels
Mustangs over Aggies (let down away game)
Warriors watching on the web!

Simba

Simba...you took the easy route with no spreads...

Not that I want to do a formal pick-em, but I'll put some spreads out for this week to see if we can get some action on the board.
MAC totally subjective lines for the week:

Del Val    - 28 @ Stevenson        - Can Stevenson's D hold the Aggies in check?  Enough O to hang?
Wilkes + 14.5 @ Widener           - Does Wilkes have a better team than their record suggests?
Kings      - 10 @ FDU Florham     - On paper Kings looks like at least a 10point fav...are they?

comments/picks welcome!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 17, 2014, 12:49:13 PM
I'll take Stevenson to beat the spread (but not the Aggies) and Widener and King's with the points. And I'm not calling any games this week because of paternity leave so no conflict of interest. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2014, 02:23:56 PM
I'll take Del Val -28
Wilkes + 14.5
Kings -10

I have no conflcit of interest either...:)
If I have time on Sat afternoon, I may take a ride down to Owings Mills to take in the Del Val/Stevenson game, as it's only about an hour away...depends on what time my son's game ends...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 17, 2014, 02:34:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 17, 2014, 12:49:13 PM
I'll take Stevenson to beat the spread (but not the Aggies) and Widener and King's with the points. And I'm not calling any games this week because of paternity leave so no conflict of interest. :)

There is always a conflict of Interest... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 17, 2014, 03:37:58 PM
Ditto what D3 said  ;) - he definitely said it best! 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2014, 09:03:08 AM
bman , Simba and wesleydad - The entire DelVal vs. Lycoming game (video and Gordon's audio) is archived on the DelVal website.

Gordon - Congrats Poppy!!!! All the best to you and the family.

No predictions as I'm not too fond of crow  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2014, 09:04:08 AM
Kate - I'm really jonesing for some DelVal Men's Basketball. This team is going to be sick!!! :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2014, 04:50:17 PM
Gordon - I was getting ready to gush about the Stevenson broadcast (replays, stats.............not the broadcasters as you are far superior!!) that was until the Stevenson Live Stats and Video crashed at halftime and we can't watch the game or follow the stats.

It's at times like these when I have to remind myself that this is Division III.............on and off the field  >:(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 18, 2014, 05:47:40 PM
First, huge Congratulations to Gordon Mann and Family!  Next, major congrats too to our Aggies on their 35/13 win over Stevenson!  Yes, JM, that was annoying when the stats crashed.  Luckily it was dinner time for us!  As fantastic as this football season has been, we're looking forward to b'ball as well!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 18, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
Went to see Widener today.  They are a good team.  Tough running back and top notch receiver.  The defense is pretty good, but look like they can be thrown on.  Wilkes had numerous receivers open but the QB missed them.  Wilkes was in the game most of the first half with a couple of chances to take the lead.  Blocked punt for a TD and a score on 4th and goal from the 5 with 6 secs left in the half turned the game.  If they both win out it looks like the Del Val/Widener game could be a good one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 18, 2014, 06:22:54 PM
Thanks for the well wishes, guys.

Eliana Mann -- Starting point guard for Delaware Valley in 2032? :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2014, 09:28:55 PM
wesleydad - I might have to give Widener an early touchdown favorite in the DelVal game, especially with the game being played at Widener.

DelVal will have a real tough time with Davis and Widener the same with Bailey. It is interesting to watch the other Aggies receivers get more involved when Bailey is doubled up. Marterella had a big day today and is a smidge shy of 6'4" with long arms. The freshman receiver, who missed the first four games due to a sprained ankle, and caught the bomb before halftime against Lycoming, is also on the come and looks about 6'3". The tight end transfer (Greco) from Wesley is an x-factor and it blows my mind why they don't use him more. Maybe they are saving a few things for week ten.

Both teams do have a top notch running back and Smallwood (DelVal) is a smart, tough runner. It's a shame that Kimbrough (the transfer from FDU and their leading rusher the past two years) got hurt as that would have been one heck of a thunder and lightning.

I hope that neither team slips up and they both stay healthy................God knows that DelVal has 7 or 8 kids out for the year that would be starting. I think that the FDU and Misericordia games will give DelVal the chance to rest up some folks and Widener should have the same opportunity after the Lycoming game.

I've done my math and if I am correct, if Lycoming beats Widener by 10 next week, Lyco has a '0' in case of a three way tiebraker, and DelVal would be +10 and Widener -10 heading into that game. DelVal would either have to win or lose by 9 or less to win the tiebraker.

I am getting ahead of myself.....................
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2014, 09:32:41 PM
.......................and should Widener beat DelVal by 10, all three teams would wind up with a "net 0" in the point differential tiebraker.

A beer or two to anybody who can tell me what the next tiebraking criteria would be in that case  ???

The Aggies should have put up another touchdown on Lycoming last week when they were deep in their territory at the end of the game. I'd feel better with a +17 going into that Widener game  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 19, 2014, 08:16:32 AM
jm, if Del Val can run the ball on Widener they will be tough.  As I stated, there were receivers open but missed by the QB and that was with Wilkes having little running game.  I would be concerned by the total that Wilkes put up on the Del Val D.  Widener has a better offense so they will move the ball.  I think it will end up being a shoot out and I would take the 7 if I had to.  I hope they both go undefeated, gives me a short drive to go see it.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 19, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
As much as the WU Del Val game is interesting, WU vs. Lyco is a key driver to the division...
That game is WW3 every time it's played, and anything and every thing usually occurs...
The next few weeks are going to be fun, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 19, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: bman on October 19, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
As much as the WU Del Val game is interesting, WU vs. Lyco is a key driver to the division...
That game is WW3 every time it's played, and anything and every thing usually occurs...
The next few weeks are going to be fun, that's for sure!

You are so right about anything and everything bman...How about 2000 @LQ Stadium when Widener ended their 11 game loosing streak against Lyco by rallying from a 36-27 deficit with about 5min left in the game to win 50-49 in double overtime!!!...

Both teams scored 7 in the first OT, Lyco scored another TD in the 2nd OT but the extra point hit the top of the right upright...Widener scored a TD plus the point and won...What a "longer" walk back to the "Magic Bus" after that one!

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2014, 02:34:15 PM
Simba - Lycoming's job next week is to beat Widener by ten....................now back to watching the loudmouth Seahawks getting stomped by the lowly Rams :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 19, 2014, 05:18:48 PM
The Conference used to have a provision that capped the amount of points a team could gain through margin of victory over other teams in a tie breaker scenario. For example, if Team A beat Team B by 10 points, the Conference counted that as +7. If Team A beat Team B by 20 points it was still just +7.  That's designed to discourage teams from running up the score. If that provision is still in place, I think Del Val's margin of victory over Lyco is likely at or above that cap.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2014, 01:22:35 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 19, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
You are so right about anything and everything bman...How about 2000 @LQ Stadium when Widener ended their 11 game loosing streak against Lyco by rallying from a 36-27 deficit with about 5min left in the game to win 50-49 in double overtime!!!...

How about 1998, same place? Lyco down 13-2 with 3:03 left and comes back to win. The game that convinced us at D3hoops.com that we had to start a football site.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/1999/lycoming-rallies-to-beat-widener
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 20, 2014, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2014, 01:22:35 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 19, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
You are so right about anything and everything bman...How about 2000 @LQ Stadium when Widener ended their 11 game loosing streak against Lyco by rallying from a 36-27 deficit with about 5min left in the game to win 50-49 in double overtime!!!...

How about 1998, same place? Lyco down 13-2 with 3:03 left and comes back to win. The game that convinced us at D3hoops.com that we had to start a football site.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/1999/lycoming-rallies-to-beat-widener

I believe that was Lyco QB Mancini that led us back in that one Pat...Great game...

Another was in 2002, when at the LQ again, Lyco blocked a field goal in OT, then a Widener back picks up the ball rolling right and throws a 21 yard pass into the end zone for the win!...THAT WAS EVEN A LONGER THAN LONGER WALK BACK TO THE "MAGIC BUS"!...

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2014, 10:05:48 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 20, 2014, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2014, 01:22:35 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 19, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
You are so right about anything and everything bman...How about 2000 @LQ Stadium when Widener ended their 11 game loosing streak against Lyco by rallying from a 36-27 deficit with about 5min left in the game to win 50-49 in double overtime!!!...

How about 1998, same place? Lyco down 13-2 with 3:03 left and comes back to win. The game that convinced us at D3hoops.com that we had to start a football site.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/1999/lycoming-rallies-to-beat-widener

I believe that was Lyco QB Mancini that led us back in that one Pat...Great game...

Another was in 2002, when at the LQ again, Lyco blocked a field goal in OT after we scored first in the OT... We think we won, then a Widener back picks up the ball rolling right and throws a 21 yard pass into the end zone for the win!...THAT WAS EVEN A LONGER THAN LONGER WALK BACK TO THE "MAGIC BUS"!...

Simba

I was at the 1998 and 2002 games, and Keith was at 2000 and 2002. We broadcast the 2002 game. Craziness.

http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2002/contrib/20111004i09f7k
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 20, 2014, 10:41:59 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2014, 04:50:17 PM
Gordon - I was getting ready to gush about the Stevenson broadcast (replays, stats.............not the broadcasters as you are far superior!!) that was until the Stevenson Live Stats and Video crashed at halftime and we can't watch the game or follow the stats.

It's at times like these when I have to remind myself that this is Division III.............on and off the field  >:(

I know live stats took a hit, but was back up and running later in the third quarter... but we heard no complaints about the video being down. Next time, feel free to tweet or complain in some manner... it usually gets back to me. Though, the best bet is to contact the video provider, Stretch, as they are the first line of defense in these matters. And I hate to ask this, but could it have been on your end?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 20, 2014, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 20, 2014, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2014, 01:22:35 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 19, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
You are so right about anything and everything bman...How about 2000 @LQ Stadium when Widener ended their 11 game loosing streak against Lyco by rallying from a 36-27 deficit with about 5min left in the game to win 50-49 in double overtime!!!...

How about 1998, same place? Lyco down 13-2 with 3:03 left and comes back to win. The game that convinced us at D3hoops.com that we had to start a football site.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/1999/lycoming-rallies-to-beat-widener

I believe that was Lyco QB Mancini that led us back in that one Pat...Great game...

Another was in 2002, when at the LQ again, Lyco blocked a field goal in OT after we scored first in the OT... We think we won, then a Widener back picks up the ball rolling right and throws a 21 yard pass into the end zone for the win!...THAT WAS EVEN A LONGER THAN LONGER WALK BACK TO THE "MAGIC BUS"!...

Simba

Simba

I had a perfect view of the play!  No one seemed to know if it was a PAT or not.  I was telling my group..."That was good"!  Finally, the officials confirmed it... (Somewhat erasing the sour taste of 1998)...
Like Pat said...Craziness
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 20, 2014, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 20, 2014, 10:41:59 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2014, 04:50:17 PM
Gordon - I was getting ready to gush about the Stevenson broadcast (replays, stats.............not the broadcasters as you are far superior!!) that was until the Stevenson Live Stats and Video crashed at halftime and we can't watch the game or follow the stats.

It's at times like these when I have to remind myself that this is Division III.............on and off the field  >:(

I know live stats took a hit, but was back up and running later in the third quarter... but we heard no complaints about the video being down. Next time, feel free to tweet or complain in some manner... it usually gets back to me. Though, the best bet is to contact the video provider, Stretch, as they are the first line of defense in these matters. And I hate to ask this, but could it have been on your end?

I had the same issue as well.  It would connect, then would hang (clocking)..  I was on WiFi, and thought it was my device, so just chalked it up to the issues my device sometimes has...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 20, 2014, 01:39:19 PM
A question to the group (well, more really for Pat)...

I know that Widener, as a result of beating Rowan in week 1, got into the top 25 prior to Del Val, and hence have climbed as teams above have slipped.  My question really centers around the placement of the 2 teams...
As Del Val beat MSU (an unknown quantity at the time) and then beat Lyco to break into the top 25 has (IMO) done more in terms of beating quality opponents (2) than Widener (1). 
In my mind they are at present, virtually identical with DV perhaps sliding ahead of WU.  With WU vs. Lyco this week, it may be a moot point, or change drastically, but I am curious given the logic above, as to why the discrepancies in the ranking..
I am assuming that it's just timing of when each broke into the the rankings, rather than any formula, but wanted to check...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 01:40:23 PM
Dave/bman - The issue wasn't on my end as I was texting four other people who were having the same issue from their desktops.

I love the Stevenson video broadcast though.............clear, slick, great graphics, lightning quick replays, etc. It is state of the art and quite frankly, just about the best production that I've seen. I've watched a few (or tried to) D2 games with Kutztown (Coach Clemens is there now) and the graphics look like something from back in the 1980's.........think 'pong', the video game that we played way back in the day.

If there was a way for Stevenson to monetize their production of their football games..............sell the package (I'm talking way out of my comfort zone here as I'm a lawyer:) to other D3 and D2 programs. When it was working for me................it was the best non-D1/D1-AA production that I've ever seen!!

Please give the appropriate people much congrats!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 01:45:36 PM
bman - Gordon gave his answer to my question about point differential rules to break a three way tie but can you or Pat or anybody else confirm? Let's say the following happens:

DelVal - 0 (already beat Lyco by 10.....lose to Widener by 10)
Widener - 0 (beat DelVal by 10....lose to Lyco by 10)
Lyco - 0 (beat Widener by 10.....already lost to DelVal by 10)

What would be the way to determine the MAC AQ if this were to occur?

Thanks
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2014, 01:51:03 PM
Quote from: bman on October 20, 2014, 01:39:19 PM
A question to the group (well, more really for Pat)...

I know that Widener, as a result of beating Rowan in week 1, got into the top 25 prior to Del Val, and hence have climbed as teams above have slipped.  My question really centers around the placement of the 2 teams...
As Del Val beat MSU (an unknown quantity at the time) and then beat Lyco to break into the top 25 has (IMO) done more in terms of beating quality opponents (2) than Widener (1). 
In my mind they are at present, virtually identical with DV perhaps sliding ahead of WU.  With WU vs. Lyco this week, it may be a moot point, or change drastically, but I am curious given the logic above, as to why the discrepancies in the ranking..
I am assuming that it's just timing of when each broke into the the rankings, rather than any formula, but wanted to check...

I would think, too, that it also has something to do with the fact that it's easier to see Widener as a complete team because they don't give up a ton of points. Looking at the teams' respective games vs. Leb Val, for example.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 20, 2014, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 01:45:36 PM
bman - Gordon gave his answer to my question about point differential rules to break a three way tie but can you or Pat or anybody else confirm? Let's say the following happens:

DelVal - 0 (already beat Lyco by 10.....lose to Widener by 10)
Widener - 0 (beat DelVal by 10....lose to Lyco by 10)
Lyco - 0 (beat Widener by 10.....already lost to DelVal by 10)

What would be the way to determine the MAC AQ if this were to occur?

Thanks

They would go to an undisclosed Diner of off Interstate 81, and perform a coin flip... :)

According to the MAC manual:

Section III - Championships
A. Each team plays nine conference games (Executive Regulations, Article V, page 5)
B. The conference champion is determined by the best record in the nine conference games. In case of a tie, the tied teams are co-champions and the MAC tie-breaking criteria apply (Executive Regulations, Article V, Part D, page 6)

Which is:

D. There are no playoffs for conference ties. All sports implement the following tie-breaking system in descending priority order to qualify team (s) for the MAC championships.
1. Ties are to be broken from the top of the standings to the bottom, with the exception of head-to-head results in regular season conference contests (these are to occur prior to applying procedure #2). The progression through a procedure stops at any point where teams cannot be ranked.
2. If more than two teams are tied, and one of the teams has not played a team in a specific tiebreaker, that particular tiebreaker does not count.
3. When more than two teams are tied and procedures #1 thru #4 criteria qualify a team, or teams, the remaining teams revert back to the criteria in rank order.
a. Head-to-head results between and among the tied teams in traditional season conference contests.
b. Tied teams' traditional season won-loss records versus conference teams starting with #1, then #2, etc
c. point,  differential between and among the tied teams, with a maximum differential of 17 points in football.
d. Tied teams'  point, differential in conference contests starting with #1, then #2, etc. with a maximum differential of 17 points in football.

Gordon was spot on, other than the Point Differential value...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 04:33:16 PM
Thanks for the info bman!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 20, 2014, 06:54:45 PM
Ahhhh yesss, the craziness of the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 20, 2014, 10:27:49 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2014, 01:40:23 PM
Dave/bman - The issue wasn't on my end as I was texting four other people who were having the same issue from their desktops.

I love the Stevenson video broadcast though.............clear, slick, great graphics, lightning quick replays, etc. It is state of the art and quite frankly, just about the best production that I've seen. I've watched a few (or tried to) D2 games with Kutztown (Coach Clemens is there now) and the graphics look like something from back in the 1980's.........think 'pong', the video game that we played way back in the day.

If there was a way for Stevenson to monetize their production of their football games..............sell the package (I'm talking way out of my comfort zone here as I'm a lawyer:) to other D3 and D2 programs. When it was working for me................it was the best non-D1/D1-AA production that I've ever seen!!

Please give the appropriate people much congrats!!!

Your welcome ;)

I am contracted out to run their productions - freelance life! Stevenson takes pride in wanting to put on the best production possible and I am just anal enough production wise to help with that LOL. However, there are a ton of students and staff who also do yeoman's work on this... so I will be sure to pass along your comments.

As for the problems, I am sorry to hear you had the issues - and it sounds like it was certainly a bigger problem. Stretch has had some issues in the last few weeks, but we weren't made aware they were dealing with new ones. I will try and do some research... and again, feel free to call Stretch whenever you see this again because they tend to then call us to start the trouble-shooting.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 21, 2014, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: bman on October 20, 2014, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 20, 2014, 10:41:59 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2014, 04:50:17 PM
Gordon - I was getting ready to gush about the Stevenson broadcast (replays, stats.............not the broadcasters as you are far superior!!) that was until the Stevenson Live Stats and Video crashed at halftime and we can't watch the game or follow the stats.

It's at times like these when I have to remind myself that this is Division III.............on and off the field  >:(

I know live stats took a hit, but was back up and running later in the third quarter... but we heard no complaints about the video being down. Next time, feel free to tweet or complain in some manner... it usually gets back to me. Though, the best bet is to contact the video provider, Stretch, as they are the first line of defense in these matters. And I hate to ask this, but could it have been on your end?

I had the same issue as well.  It would connect, then would hang (clocking)..  I was on WiFi, and thought it was my device, so just chalked it up to the issues my device sometimes has...

I had problems getting on Stretch for about three or four games on Saturday. I think that's where the problem was.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 21, 2014, 04:57:27 PM
Some NCAA STATS to ponder over fellow MAC Posters...How about you guys analyze them this time and tell me who's going to win?...Wouldn't want to be accused of chest thumping again even though I did bench 450 back in the "Glory Days!"  :-)

Widener                                                                       Lycoming

#6                 Total Defense 224yds/game.           #25.              Total Defense 275yds/game
#2.                Rushing Defense 46.2yds/game.    #34.              Rushing Defense 108.8yds/game
#43.              Total Offense 453yds/game.           #98.              Total Offense 392yds/game
#40.              Passing Offense 272yds/game.      #69.              Passing Offense 245yds/game
#113             Red Zone Offense 21/34  77%.        #63.              Red Zone Offense 24/29  83%
#2.                Turnover Margin 17gain 1 lost.        #60.              Turnover Margin 9gain 6 lost.

Don't forget though...This week we have a shot at Homecoming MoJo that could occur anytime or throughout the game!

Simba

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2014, 05:35:47 PM
Simba - After our joint drubbing in predicting the outcome of the Lycoming vs. DelVal game, I'm going to stay as far away from the stats as possible :) Lycoming needs to control the ball in a huge way and keep it out of Widener's hands. Needhammer must have a monster game and Jenny should look to nickel and dime Widener's defense to death. Wilkes had a ton of open receivers all over the field last week but the QB couldn't hit them. Lycoming has watched that tape several times........in addition, I'm sure, to being at the game.

Obviously, Lycoming's defense needs to perform 10X better than that drubbing in Doylestown. Troutman needs to play like an all-American and the defensive backs need to double up on Davis. Weser and Wiser need to make amends for the DelVal game as well. Here is my non-statistical thinking:

Lycoming will have had two weeks to stew over that disaster against DelVal and to prepare for Widener. If Weser and Wiser are guru's................they need to show it in this game.

This game is Lycoming's season.......win it and there is a good chance at a MAC co-championship along with being the MAC representative in the playoffs. Widener can lose and still technically control it's destiny by beating DelVal by enough points on November 15.

The more desperate team should win AND will win and they also need to win by as many points as possible given the tie breaking differential and all ready being a -10 due to the DelVal loss. They need to win by at least ten (to get back to "net 0") and preferably by 17 (the most that counts.......to get to +7).

One last thing................unless the coaches were all wrong (ignore the LebVal and Widener predictions:)..............Lycoming knows how they were thought of across the conference.

The entire 2014 MAC preseason coaches' poll is as follows:
       
1.      Lycoming College (5) --  77 points
2.      Delaware Valley College (1) --  68 points
3.      Lebanon Valley College (4) --  65 points
4.      Widener University --  58 points
5.      Albright College --  48 points
6.      King's College --  40 points
7.      Stevenson University --  38 points
8.      Wilkes University --  30 points
9.      Misericordia University --  19 points
10.    FDU-Florham --  10 points
* Number in parentheses indicates first place votes.

Lycoming has too much riding on this game........at home on Homecoming Weekend.........with a packed, loud stadium.........and 5 out of 9 coaches picking them to win the conference with the other 4.......can't vote for your own team......picking them for second.........healthy All-American's Troutman and Needhammer........big offensive line and receivers..........etc.

Next Up..........Step Up.........and make amends for the Doylestown Disaster!!

Lycoming - 28
Widener - 21

P.S. If Widener has the ball at their own 35 with seconds left in the first half and they attempt a Hail Mary................please tell Weser and Wiser to instruct the defensive backs, if beaten, to tackle the receiver as it is not a spot foul in college ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 22, 2014, 11:33:51 AM
Great sets of data and analysis!...

I tend to want to throw the data out on the Widener side... All games except for Rowan are against teams that have not performed this year.  I toss out the Rowan game, as they are not the same team now, as they were in week 1.  Their QB was terrible in that game...WU should have won by 2 more TDs...  Given those 2 factors, I can't use the rankings to determine relative strength...
I look at this game as being a fairly even matchup...The key will be Widener's ability to stop the run, making Lyco, one dimentional, and Lyco being able to contain the passing game of WU seriously hampering WU.   I have a feeling that this game (like many other Lyco/WU matchups) may come down to special teams...
I'll post my lines and predictions shortly...not ready yet... ???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2014, 08:40:46 AM
Simba - We are awaiting your non-statistically derived final score on tomorrow's Lyco vs. Widener game ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 24, 2014, 10:13:37 AM
Ok

For those with no affiliation... ::)

Unbiased lines for tomorrow:

FDU Florham  + 21  @ Stevenson 
Miseracordia  +42   @ Del Val
Wilkes              - 3   @ Lev Val
Kings              -10   @ Albright
Widener           -3    @ Lycoming

Even if you don't pick, feel free to agree/disagree with the assessment.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2014, 11:32:13 AM
bman:

Stevenson -21 (FDU is really scuffling)
Misericordia +42 (I believe that many of the DelVal starters are gone early in the 3rd qtr)
Wilkes -3 (no feel for this game.....LebVal has to be the most disappointing team in the MAC this year)
Albright +10 (Kings will play DelVal real tough at home next week)
Lycoming +3 (solely under the guise of the home team being the more desperate team)

Come on Simba...................it's prediction time, without the stats ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 24, 2014, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2014, 08:40:46 AM
Simba - We are awaiting your non-statistically derived final score on tomorrow's Lyco vs. Widener game ::)

OK...I'm going to take all the dogs with the 79 points and run, well maybe walk, to the exit with the $$$...

No statistical reasoning used other than the number 79...'79 was Lyco's first BACK TO BACK MAC CHAMPIONSHIP year and the chicks were knocking at Sigma Pi's door, as Joe Walsh would sing, "All Night Long!"

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2014, 07:13:48 PM
Simba and bman - With game time approaching, let's lay it on the line for the Lycoming vs. Widener game................

Give me your final score. I've got the desperate, rested and healthy, preseason MAC favorite on Homecoming Weekend Lycoming Warriors 28 - 21. They will get the stench of the DelVal game out of their system.

Simba - Next Up.......Step Up ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 24, 2014, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2014, 07:13:48 PM
Simba and bman - With game time approaching, let's lay it on the line for the Lycoming vs. Widener game................

Give me your final score. I've got the desperate, rested and healthy, preseason MAC favorite on Homecoming Weekend Lycoming Warriors 28 - 21. They will get the stench of the DelVal game out of their system.

Simba - Next Up.......Step Up ::)

Warriors 35. Pride 20
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 24, 2014, 09:24:35 PM
Widener 22
Lycoming 17

Take it to the bank! ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2014, 08:56:46 AM
Thanks Simba and bman - We'll see a little later today who's "trashin" and who's "cashin" :)

Simba, if you are right on the outcome and point spread, Lyco is a +5, Widener is -15 and DelVal is +10 heading into the last week (if everybody wins out until the final week).

Widener could not catch Lycoming in a three way tie since, regardless of score, a team can only get +17 for one game. This would give Widener a +2.......3 points shy of Lyco.

If DelVal loses to Widener by 6 or more, Lyco would be get the MAC AQ.

Bottom line, if Lycoming beats Widener by 14 or more.......they take Widener out of the equation with the three way tiebraker!!

Does the desperate, rested, healthy, home team, preseason favorite do it today?..................we'll see!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 25, 2014, 09:02:04 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2014, 08:56:46 AM
Thanks Simba and bman - We'll see a little later today who's "trashin" and who's "cashin" :)

Simba, if you are right on the outcome and point spread, Lyco is a +5, Widener is -15 and DelVal is +10 heading into the last week (if everybody wins out until the final week).

Widener could not catch Lycoming in a three way tie since, regardless of score, a team can only get +17 for one game. This would give Widener a +2.......3 points shy of Lyco.

If DelVal loses to Widener by 6 or more, Lyco would be get the MAC AQ.

Bottom line, if Lycoming beats Widener by 14 or more.......they take Widener out of the equation with the three way tiebraker!!

Does the desperate, rested, healthy, home team, preseason favorite do it today?..................we'll see!!


Math....blahhh

Widener down 17-15 with 2 minutes to play...blocks a Lyco punt and runs it back for the winning TD! 

No THATS a prediction!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2014, 09:46:53 AM
bman - What could be very interesting, for either team with the lead towards the back half of the game, is the attempt to score more points given the potential three way tie braker.

I was stunned that DelVal wasn't throwing it into the end zone on Lyco's 10 yard line with a 10 point lead and over a minute left. Since +17 is the most that you can accumulate towards the tie braker, that left me scratching my head....especially with Lyco not being able to stop DelVal all day.

We'll see if it matters.......

Here's hoping that everybody comes out healthy after the games!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 25, 2014, 09:59:53 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2014, 09:46:53 AM

I was stunned that DelVal wasn't throwing it into the end zone on Lyco's 10 yard line with a 10 point lead and over a minute left. Since +17 is the most that you can accumulate towards the tie braker, that left me scratching my head....especially with Lyco not being able to stop DelVal all day.

I can guarantee you, that at that point of the game, they were not thinking about 3 way MAC tiebreakers...   They leave that to us in the chat rooms...:)

In throwing the ball in that situation, about 10 things can happen, and 9 of them are bad...
I think they did the wise thing...
Agree that regardless of the outcomes today, teams having everyone walk off the field is the most important.

Wishing all the MAC teams luck today.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2014, 04:25:09 PM
Simba - I just got home from the DelVal game and put the Lycoming vs. Widener game on. OMG!!!28-10 at halftime??? Between the 52 points that DelVal laid on them and the 28 that Widener out up at the half...............Weser and Wiser looks like they had their "guru head's" handed to them.

As I write this, it is 34-17 with a little over 11 minutes left in the game so it's not over yet.

Next Up.......Step Up!!  Big 4th quarter needed by the Warriors or the preseason pick for MAC Champions are finished!!

Early spread for the Widener vs. DelVal game..................Widener -13.5
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 25, 2014, 04:48:33 PM
Quote from: bman on October 24, 2014, 09:24:35 PM
Widener 22
Lycoming 17

Take it to the bank! ;)

Well I had Lyco's score spot on...

I couldn't get video today...it kept kicking me out.  Any insights viewers can provide would be welcome
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2014, 04:49:25 PM
And it's over in Williamsport!!

Simba, remind me to take the opposite side as you next time. Your 35-20 was not that far off (34-17) but the side was a smidge wrong ???

Lycoming gives up 1124 yards and 86 points in it's last two games........ :'(

Imagine if they didn't have the guru's Weser and Wiser.

My early line on the Widener vs. DelVal game stays, for now, subject to injuries over the next two games..............Widener -13.5

bman - Congrats on the victory and the prediction!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
bman - I can't help you much as I only saw most of the 4th quarter on the computer but it looked like Lyco could not move the ball nor stop Widener. These last two weeks have got to be a kick in the gut as Lyco was the preseason MAC favorite in the eyes of the coaches.

Widener looks very good. Better than DelVal. I put a Widener -13.5 line out there 3 weeks away from the game.

My prediction.................Widener and DelVal go into the game undefeated and Widener wins, at home, by two touchdowns. DelVal's depleted defense has no shot to slow Widener down.

Widener winds up 10-0 and a #2 seed in the East. DelVal winds up 9-1 and gets a #6 seed in the East. It helps DelVal that Montclair State (whom DelVal beat Week 1 at Montclair) beat Rowan today and has the inside track for the NJAC.

It looks like the top two MAC teams beat the top two NJAC teams...........on the road :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 25, 2014, 08:49:34 PM
CONGRATULATIONS AGGIES & PRIDE!...

To the Victors go the spoils...Represent the MAC well this year in the Playoffs and make us all proud of the Conference!

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2014, 11:09:15 PM
Simba,

I've got no real skin in the game like you and bman, I just have lived in the Doylestown area for years and have kind of adopted DelVal.

From a Lycoming perspective, and not busting stones whatsoever, what do you think happened over the last two games? I've never seen that happen to a Lycoming defense and I really thought today would be different with two weeks to prepare.

Was it talent, scheme or a little of both?

Jay
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 26, 2014, 11:35:40 AM
bman tomorrow morning.....

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Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 26, 2014, 12:21:32 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2014, 11:09:15 PM
Simba,

I've got no real skin in the game like you and bman, I just have lived in the Doylestown area for years and have kind of adopted DelVal.

From a Lycoming perspective, and not busting stones whatsoever, what do you think happened over the last two games? I've never seen that happen to a Lycoming defense and I really thought today would be different with two weeks to prepare.

Was it talent, scheme or a little of both?

Jay

Jay..

Neither...I believe it was the lack of Leadership ON THE FIELD by the players!...

The "Plan" was not executed on the field by the players, hence the accountability on performance starts and ends there...

No VICTIM STATEMENTS here...We got blown away by two teams with better Leadership on the field and executed their Game Plans better than we did...

It was not the Defensive Coaching....They've seen it all the past 40yrs (Wiser), 30yrs (Weber)...and have done it all with 15 Championships and 2 Stagg Bowls since '78...

It was not the level of talent, it was the lack of "Leading by Example" of the key team leaders in my opinion...

Now we must finish out the year respectfully at 8-2 and re-load for next year!

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 26, 2014, 12:30:45 PM
Simba - Thanks for the honest assessment. I'm hearing that there is some disappointment up in Williamsport with exactly what you mentioned, including the All-American safety. Conversely, a couple of the players were finger pointing behind closed doors about the defensive game plan in both games. It sounds more like an excuse from those players than issues with the scheme.

Finish the season strong and get an ECAC win for the MAC!!!!

Jay 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 26, 2014, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
bman - I can't help you much as I only saw most of the 4th quarter on the computer but it looked like Lyco could not move the ball nor stop Widener. These last two weeks have got to be a kick in the gut as Lyco was the preseason MAC favorite in the eyes of the coaches.

Widener looks very good. Better than DelVal. I put a Widener -13.5 line out there 3 weeks away from the game.

My prediction.................Widener and DelVal go into the game undefeated and Widener wins, at home, by two touchdowns. DelVal's depleted defense has no shot to slow Widener down.

Widener winds up 10-0 and a #2 seed in the East. DelVal winds up 9-1 and gets a #6 seed in the East. It helps DelVal that Montclair State (whom DelVal beat Week 1 at Montclair) beat Rowan today and has the inside track for the NJAC.
It looks like the top two MAC teams beat the top two NJAC teams...........on the road :)

Looks to appear that way and I like your assessment.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 31, 2014, 04:31:45 PM
Wow

Board collapsed this week...How about some prdictions to lighten the mood: :P

Leb Val coming off their bye week explodes on FDU Florham  41-14

Stevenson pushes back, but can't break through, loses to Widener 35-20 (adding insult to injury, their bus has it's hubcaps stolen in Chester when stopping for cheesesteaks ::))

Lycoming takes frustrations out on Misericordia 51-7 (Simba tries to dress for the game but is stopped by NCAA officials)
Kings holds Del Val to 28, but can't score and loses to the Aggies 28-7

Albright takes an early lead, buoyed by last weeks OT thriller, and holds off a strong Wilkes charge winning 35-31

In non league action Wesley beats College of Faith 239-3   :o
and Mount Union beats whoever is next...by 70




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 31, 2014, 04:53:14 PM
Quote from: bman on October 31, 2014, 04:31:45 PM
Leb Val coming off their bye week explodes on FDU Florham  41-14

Stevenson pushes back, but can't break through, loses to Widener 35-20 (adding insult to injury, their bus has it's hubcaps stolen in Chester when stopping for cheesesteaks ::

LVC came off their bye week last week and "exploded" on Wilkes at Wilkes, 46-0.

Are the cheesesteaks in Chester good enough to risk the team bus hubcaps? Advise soonest ....  :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2014, 04:54:40 PM
Considering the bad experience Stevenson had at Widener outside of the game, joking about the hubcaps won't go over well with them. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 31, 2014, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2014, 04:54:40 PM
Considering the bad experience Stevenson had at Widener outside of the game, joking about the hubcaps won't go over well with them. :)

What happened? Kindly clarify.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2014, 05:01:13 PM
From what I remember, some people or another team got into their locker room during the game and most of their stuff was dragged into the showers and they found it all wet. But I think it may have just been one of the two locker rooms they had... can't remember all of the details. I just remember it was not a happy team leaving Widener that day and they were rather delayed as well in their departure. I purposely didn't keep track of what happened considering several factors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 31, 2014, 05:03:18 PM
Thanks, d-mac.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 31, 2014, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 31, 2014, 04:53:14 PM
Quote from: bman on October 31, 2014, 04:31:45 PM
Leb Val coming off their bye week explodes on FDU Florham  41-14

Stevenson pushes back, but can't break through, loses to Widener 35-20 (adding insult to injury, their bus has it's hubcaps stolen in Chester when stopping for cheesesteaks ::

LVC came off their bye week last week and "exploded" on Wilkes at Wilkes, 46-0.

Are the cheesesteaks in Chester good enough to risk the team bus hubcaps? Advise soonest ....  :)

Nope!  Have to go a bit further north...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joe Vasile on November 01, 2014, 07:50:54 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2014, 05:01:13 PM
From what I remember, some people or another team got into their locker room during the game and most of their stuff was dragged into the showers and they found it all wet. But I think it may have just been one of the two locker rooms they had... can't remember all of the details. I just remember it was not a happy team leaving Widener that day and they were rather delayed as well in their departure. I purposely didn't keep track of what happened considering several factors.

I remember hearing something about that, but you seem to know more details about it than I.  I believe there was also some interesting things that happened on the field with coaches too, namely Hottle flopping to the ground like a fish out of water before a play and Widener's coaches doing what they did at the time, which was run up the score.  It was so bad that OC Charles Eger got in a shouting match with one of Widener's fans who was upset that they were throwing the ball up 30 in the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 01, 2014, 08:08:10 AM
Quote from: bman on October 31, 2014, 04:31:45 PM
Wow

Board collapsed this week...How about some prdictions to lighten the mood: :P

Leb Val coming off their bye week explodes on FDU Florham  41-14

Stevenson pushes back, but can't break through, loses to Widener 35-20 (adding insult to injury, their bus has it's hubcaps stolen in Chester when stopping for cheesesteaks ::))

Lycoming takes frustrations out on Misericordia 51-7 (Simba tries to dress for the game but is stopped by NCAA officials)
Kings holds Del Val to 28, but can't score and loses to the Aggies 28-7

Albright takes an early lead, buoyed by last weeks OT thriller, and holds off a strong Wilkes charge winning 35-31

In non league action Wesley beats College of Faith 239-3   :o
and Mount Union beats whoever is next...by 70

bman - This board does die during the week..................I am jealous of the activity on the Empire 8 board :'(

You talk about Chester being tough, I was on the mean streets of Doylestown last night and saw someone jaywalking AND another person litter. What is this world coming to? ;D

If the weather stays this miserable throughout the afternoon, don't be surprised at the outcome of the DelVal vs. Kings game.

Oh, and Simba isn't suiting up today..............he stuffed defensive coach's Weser and Wiser into a trunk and will be calling the game. Although against Misericordia, probably not necessary ::)

LebVal - 38     FDU - 7
Widener - 37   Stevenson - 14
Lycosimba - 38    Miserableicordia - 14
DelVal - 24      Kings - 21
Albright - 28    Wilkes - 27

Wesley - 86 - College of Faith Just As Good As Wilmington Per Waterboy On The Much Busier Empire 8 Board - 0
Mount Union - 42    Youngstown State - 10
Whitewater - 38      University of Wisconsin - 30
UMHB - 45       Texas - 35

Stay safe, dry and warm today...........and tomorrow..................let's go Eagles!!!!

Oh yeah..........."How 'bout dem Cowboys?" ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 01, 2014, 09:19:54 AM
Gordon - Is Kings the last MAC holdout in not offering video coverage of football games?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 01, 2014, 09:46:44 AM
bman & Jay...You Funny!

For the record, I'll be meeting with our Governor all afternoon in Skook County. I told him last week that the only way he'll win on Tuesday is if he comes up to visit us at Vito's for pizza and Lager's and we'll discuss...He'll be here at noon!

Ok, remember, the opposite picks below should do well here today!

Pride by 35
Aggies by 38
Warriors by 28
Dutchmen by 30
Colonels by 14

Keep warm in the stands today...

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 01, 2014, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 01, 2014, 07:50:54 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2014, 05:01:13 PM
From what I remember, some people or another team got into their locker room during the game and most of their stuff was dragged into the showers and they found it all wet. But I think it may have just been one of the two locker rooms they had... can't remember all of the details. I just remember it was not a happy team leaving Widener that day and they were rather delayed as well in their departure. I purposely didn't keep track of what happened considering several factors.

I remember hearing something about that, but you seem to know more details about it than I.  I believe there was also some interesting things that happened on the field with coaches too, namely Hottle flopping to the ground like a fish out of water before a play and Widener's coaches doing what they did at the time, which was run up the score.  It was so bad that OC Charles Eger got in a shouting match with one of Widener's fans who was upset that they were throwing the ball up 30 in the fourth quarter.

It actually wasn't Hottle... it was an assistant... and it was part of the play which tricked the defense as Stevenson which got the first down. Then the ref flagged the QB for a penalty on the play and basically admitted he was wrong later. It was a strange, strange game all around.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joe Vasile on November 01, 2014, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 01, 2014, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 01, 2014, 07:50:54 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2014, 05:01:13 PM
From what I remember, some people or another team got into their locker room during the game and most of their stuff was dragged into the showers and they found it all wet. But I think it may have just been one of the two locker rooms they had... can't remember all of the details. I just remember it was not a happy team leaving Widener that day and they were rather delayed as well in their departure. I purposely didn't keep track of what happened considering several factors.

I remember hearing something about that, but you seem to know more details about it than I.  I believe there was also some interesting things that happened on the field with coaches too, namely Hottle flopping to the ground like a fish out of water before a play and Widener's coaches doing what they did at the time, which was run up the score.  It was so bad that OC Charles Eger got in a shouting match with one of Widener's fans who was upset that they were throwing the ball up 30 in the fourth quarter.

It actually wasn't Hottle... it was an assistant... and it was part of the play which tricked the defense as Stevenson which got the first down. Then the ref flagged the QB for a penalty on the play and basically admitted he was wrong later. It was a strange, strange game all around.

That's right, I forgot all about the first down.  Certainly one of the more original diversions I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 01, 2014, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2014, 04:54:40 PM
Considering the bad experience Stevenson had at Widener outside of the game, joking about the hubcaps won't go over well with them. :)

I didn't know that happened...that stinks.  I have never seen the locker room doors unguarded...wonder how that happened.  I'd figure it was students if it was DV or Lyco, given the rivalry, but there certainly isn't any animosity with Stevenson(yet...:)).  Wonder if its the same ones that stole my car in the 80's... ???

There have been several issues with Fans over the years...part of the issue is that the new stadium, while nice, creates a chokepoint in getting out.  It forces away fans/coaches through the gauntlet of WU fan etc...and to walk side by side in many cases.  There was never any of that at the old venue...most of the visitors' parking was on the visitors side, and there was an open walk across the field hockey field, to the street/cars.  Most of the WU students/fans, disbursed back into the campus behind the old home stands...
good luck all today and safe travels...

Ahh, the good old days...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 01, 2014, 03:28:05 PM
Kings seems unimpressed with the Aggies...
Upset in the making?
Rain and wind must be playing havoc with the DVD aerial attack...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 01, 2014, 06:01:55 PM
Quote from: bman on November 01, 2014, 03:28:05 PM
Kings seems unimpressed with the Aggies...
Upset in the making?
Rain and wind must be playing havoc with the DVD aerial attack...

bman & Simba - Not a lot of time to type as I have to thaw out and head out to dinner.

Who predicted the DelVal vs. Kings score right on the head?? ;D

I was there and will give you a few observations later.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 01, 2014, 08:10:38 PM
I didn't realize King's didn't have video until I saw the question posed to me after the game. King's SID Bob Ziadie and his team do a superb job but they have limitations with the press box. So I understand if they don't do video.

Great effort by King's who fought til the end, even after falling behind by 17. Del Val killed itself with penalties, particularly on the offensive line, and got three points total out of three chances to score TDs. Very unlike them.

You have to be very good and a little lucky to have a special season.  Del Val was just enough of both today.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 01, 2014, 08:12:15 PM
JM:

Wow! You hit the score exactly! For your next test, what color is my sweatshirt? :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 01, 2014, 10:31:12 PM
They usually do video... wonder if something acted up this week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 01, 2014, 11:27:26 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 01, 2014, 08:12:15 PM
JM:

Wow! You hit the score exactly! For your next test, what color is my sweatshirt? :)

Gordon - My score was off a bit but I did have Albright over Wilkes by a point as well. Your sweatshirt is dark blue ??? That press box announcer was a combination of announcer and occasional play by play man. He was a trip!!

I have to ask a question of anybody on the board who can help out (and are there any Kings fans here?). I know that it was cold and windy and Kings is playing out the string, but I could count the number of people in the Kings stands quite easily. That was a poorly attended game. Does the distance of the stadium from the campus really have that kind of an impact? I swear that there were more people who made the almost two hour drive from Doylestown. My 14 year old son was baffled.

The penalties were brutal and several were quite questionable and had huge impacts on drives. At times, DelVal's play calling leaves me scratching my head and I don't understand why Greco (the TE) doesn't get a few more passes each game. Kings had several players chirping at the players and coaches on the DelVal sideline, especially dback #25, so it was nice to see that final score. DelVal is going to have to really tighten it up to have a chance against Widener. I do like that Wilmer is starting to go to Marterella, Jensen and Tariq a little more as I expect Widener to really key on Bailey. 

Lastly, if anybody can give a little info on the Widener vs. Stevenson and Lyco vs. Mis games it would be appreciated. It does appear that the "Big Three" all had much closer games than expected.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 02, 2014, 09:59:23 AM
Jay
I was able to watch about 3/4 of the WU Stevenson game.   Stevenson has a nice squad.  They play about as good a defensive game as you can ask.  They held WU to no points the first couple of drives when WU had first and goal inside the 10.   Also, WU's kicking game is atrocious right now.

The difference in the game was that Stevenson's offense couldn't sustain drives, and to be honest, the O line killed them.  They for the most part, couldn't run, and their pass blocking failed to effectively protect the QB.   Also, Stevenson wasn't real disciplined, and took critical penalties that really hurt them.  I thought WU got away with a running into/roughing the punter call.

Also (clearly) weather was affecting both teams.  Dave can probably provide some better insight.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joe Vasile on November 02, 2014, 10:54:47 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 01, 2014, 11:27:26 PM
I did have Albright over Wilkes by a point as well.

You hit that one pretty good, and I think bman had it right that Wilkes would have a late charge (down 23-0 at halftime, then forced OT).

I'll chat with my buddy who covers Misericordia and see what the deal was yesterday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 02, 2014, 11:55:20 AM
Gentlemen...

One sentence could describe the Lyco game yesterday..."Good 'ol smash mouth football!"...Almost like what the gentlemen pictured below played back in the day...

Needhammer ran for 239yds and Bowman for 149yds...one long run for each 90 and 50 but the rest was smash mouth...O-line fire out run blocking set the stage and our two backs slammed it where they wanted...

Lyco fumbled into the end zone and threw an interception or score would have been bigger...

Total offense for Lyco 503yds....Misericordia 355...

Throw in Troutman's 15th career interception and it was a good day for Visitors...

Simba

Oh, and The Governor loved Vito's coal-fired pizza!...Everyone Vote on Tuesday!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 02, 2014, 02:47:25 PM

In speaking about "BACK IN THE DAY, SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL"... Let's get the best NFL running back of the 1920's into the HALL OF FAME!...TONY LATONE

Click on the HBO "Inside the NFL" icon in the middle of this Web Page and let Bob Costas tell you the story...

http://www.gwhprods.com/maroons.htm

Your thoughts and feedback are appreciated!

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2014, 03:23:43 PM
Quote from: Simba on November 02, 2014, 02:47:25 PM

In speaking about "BACK IN THE DAY, SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL"... Let's get the best NFL running back of the 1920's into the HALL OF FAME!...TONY LATONE

Click on the HBO "Inside the NFL" icon in the middle of this Web Page and let Bob Costas tell you the story...

http://www.gwhprods.com/maroons.htm

Your thoughts and feedback are appreciated!

Simba

I'm all for that, but first Alex Karras, who was better than three quarters of the current members of the Hall.  I figure he was blocked by voters who found Mongo too intellectually challenging.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 02, 2014, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2014, 03:23:43 PM

I'm all for that, but first Alex Karras, who was better than three quarters of the current members of the Hall.  I figure he was blocked by voters who found Mongo too intellectually challenging.

Since I'm a third generation Greek American (island of Kefalonia to Ellis island) how could I disagree?

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 02, 2014, 05:44:25 PM


I'm all for that, but first Alex Karras, who was better than three quarters of the current members of the Hall.  I figure he was blocked by voters who found Mongo too intellectually challenging.
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Or gambling on NFL games... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2014, 05:46:55 PM
Quote from: bman on November 02, 2014, 05:44:25 PM


I'm all for that, but first Alex Karras, who was better than three quarters of the current members of the Hall.  I figure he was blocked by voters who found Mongo too intellectually challenging.

Or gambling on NFL games... ::)
[/quote]

Yeah, but the other guy (name is escaping me at the moment) who was suspended along with Karras has been in the Hall for decades.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 02, 2014, 07:01:50 PM
Pretty sure it was Paul Hornung...the Notre Dame affiliation probably got him a papal pardon!
Pete Rose hasn't gotten in yet either...
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see both get in their respective halls.  I doubt there is much lobby for Karras though...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 02, 2014, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: bman on November 02, 2014, 07:01:50 PM
Pretty sure it was Paul Hornung...the Notre Dame affiliation probably got him a papal pardon!
Pete Rose hasn't gotten in yet either...
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see both get in their respective halls.  I doubt there is much lobby for Karras though...

Yeah, Paul Hornung, Notre Dame and Green Bay.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 02, 2014, 08:18:31 PM
Quote from: Simba on November 02, 2014, 11:55:20 AM
Gentlemen...

One sentence could describe the Lyco game yesterday..."Good 'ol smash mouth football!"...Almost like what the gentlemen pictured below played back in the day...

Needhammer ran for 239yds and Bowman for 149yds...one long run for each 90 and 50 but the rest was smash mouth...O-line fire out run blocking set the stage and our two backs slammed it where they wanted...

Lyco fumbled into the end zone and threw an interception or score would have been bigger...

Total offense for Lyco 503yds....Misericordia 355...

Throw in Troutman's 15th career interception and it was a good day for Visitors...

Simba

Oh, and The Governor loved Vito's coal-fired pizza!...Everyone Vote on Tuesday!

Lycoming was bigger, stronger and faster than Misericordia, but I don't think the game was quite as easy as you imply.

Lyco's interception was from midfield on the last play of the first half. 

Misericordia forced a three-and-out to open the third quarter, then muffed the punt to give Lyco a short field (28 yards).

Misericordia also threw an interception near the goal line.

With that, Lycoming did miss a chip-shot field goal after Misericordia held following Needhammer's 90-yd. run.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 03, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
For those curious... I was not at the Stevenson/Widener game... not traveling with the team this season. I took advantage of having a free weekend... which will probably be the last weekend I don't have a sports event to work or traveling from now until after Memorial Day Weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2014, 04:06:48 PM
This board is dead (like the Giants and Redskins now......and the Cowboys soon enough ;D )

Who wants to start tomorrow's MAC predictions?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2014, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2014, 04:06:48 PM
This board is dead (like the Giants and Redskins now......and the Cowboys soon enough ;D )

Who wants to start tomorrow's MAC predictions?

Jay,

I'll start the predictions given how comatose things are around here :'(

Del Val - 38        FDU - 13     (DelVal starters play one half or a series or two into the 3rd qtr)
Widener - 42      King's - 14   (More Widener fans make the two hour trip than King's fans in the stands)
Lycosimba - 30   LVC - 20      (Lycosimba still alive to host an ECAC game if they are interested)
Stevenson - 27   Wilkes - 24  (Stevenson hung tough at Widener last week)
Albright - 27       Misericordia - 14    (Just a non-commentary guess)

Thanks Jay,

Jay
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 07, 2014, 10:49:34 PM
Lycoming is not a member of the ECAC so they aren't eligible for a bowl game.

http://ecac.prestosports.com/membership/division_III/index
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2014, 11:17:38 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 07, 2014, 10:49:34 PM
Lycoming is not a member of the ECAC so they aren't eligible for a bowl game.

http://ecac.prestosports.com/membership/division_III/index

Thanks Gordon!!! I'm looking forward to (and crossing my fingers) that the Aggies come out of tomorrow's game very healthy. I have a quick question for you. I know that the Aggies suffered several significant injuries very early in the season. Whatever happened to Kimbrough, the transfer from FDU? I was looking forward to a "Thunder & Lightning" backfield (like the Eagles Watters & Garner back in the day) with Smallwood and him. I'm assuming he's out for the year at this point.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2014, 11:29:27 PM
I'm way late  ::)but here goes...
Jay style!


Del Val - 56          FDU - 7       (Just don't understand how FDU can sit in the middle of all that football talent, and not be able to recruit...)
Widener - 24        King's - 20   (Kings, although middle of the pack, can play defense...)
LVC - 34              Lyco - 31      (and yes I know I'll get roasted for this....)
Wilkes - 19        Stevenson - 17   Stevenson just hasn't put up points this year to help their D
Albright - 56       Misericordia - 17    Rooting for things to get better in Dallas(PA)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 08, 2014, 08:10:57 AM
bman...

I do have another crow in the freezer...I don't know if it can be roasted or toasted but I do know that it eventually gives up all of its "toughness" when done in a crock-pot at low heat...Before you know it, you're eating just another piece of meat like all the others "crocked" before it...

Del-Val made us just another piece of meat on the MAC schedule when they "crocked" us!...We couldn't recover our "toughness" even with a bye week before and a Homecoming game at home against Widener two weeks later!...

The way Leb-Val has been playing the past three weeks both with the points they're putting up along with shutting out Wilkes defensively, your Leb-Val pick could be toasted instead of roasted...They also have about 15 SKOOKS on their roster which more than qualifies them for being a smash-mouth football team, especially Frank Gaffney at DE/Outside LB...

After posting my picks the past few weeks, I found that I'm that "one guy" everyone knows that when you know who he bets on, you bet the opposite and usually win!!!

Go Warriors,

Simba

FYI...Just a heads up that former Lyco DB and fellow Sigma Pi brother, Jerry "Goose"  McGinn '78, will be the referee in tonight's Ohio State-Mich State game on ABC...First Dowwwwwwwwn!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 08, 2014, 09:22:50 AM
Quote from: Simba on November 08, 2014, 08:10:57 AM
bman...

I do have another crow in the freezer...I don't know if it can be roasted or toasted but I do know that it eventually gives up all of its "toughness" when done in a crock-pot at low heat...Before you know it, you're eating just another piece of meat like all the others "crocked" before it...

Del-Val made us just another piece of meat on the MAC schedule when they "crocked" us!...We couldn't recover our "toughness" even with a bye week before and a Homecoming game at home against Widener two weeks later!...

The way Leb-Val has been playing the past three weeks both with the points they're putting up along with shutting out Wilkes defensively, your Leb-Val pick could be toasted instead of roasted...They also have about 15 SKOOKS on their roster which more than qualifies them for being a smash-mouth football team, especially Frank Gaffney at DE/Outside LB...

After posting my picks the past few weeks, I found that I'm that "one guy" everyone knows that when you know who he bets on, you bet the opposite and usually win!!!

Go Warriors,

Simba

FYI...Just a heads up that former Lyco DB and fellow Sigma Pi brother, Jerry "Goose"  McGinn '78, will be the referee in tonight's Ohio State-Mich State game on ABC...First Dowwwwwwwwn!

I luv ya' Simba.................and you too bman :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 08, 2014, 04:11:25 PM
Great game between Leb Val and Lyco. Congrats to Simba and Company on the nice way to end the home portion of the season.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 09, 2014, 08:22:10 AM
Well

It's come down to this week.   Let the analysis, smack talk, and fun begin!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 09, 2014, 08:28:42 AM
Looking forward to this game this week.  Short ride for me.  I have not seen Del Val play yet this year so I can't say much on them.  I saw Widener play Wilkes.  The defense is good, but looked like they can be thrown on as there were receivers open but the Wilkes QB was not very accurate.  They stuff the run well which may make it tough on Del Val who looks like they want to run it. It is a good rivalry game so that adds to it and playing for the MAC championship and maybe 2 home games in the playoffs raises the stakes even more.  The loser will head out on the road and maybe only get 1 game.  Early forecast calls for temps in the 40's.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joe Vasile on November 09, 2014, 09:53:17 AM
Having seen both Del Val and Widener this year against Wilkes, my impressions are a little biased, but here's my take anyway.  Del Val's offense is just as good if not better than the Pride's.  Smallwood gives them a nice edge in the running game, and Wilmer and Bailey in the passing attack can be explosive.  Widener has about as good of a passing game, but don't seem to be as good on the ground.  The big difference is the defense.  Widener has a huge edge there.  The Pride have an incredibly talented front seven that should do a good job of limiting Smallwood on the ground (number 1 rushing defense in D3 I believe), but their secondary is beatable, especially by Del Val's talented receiving corps.  Right now I have to imagine giving the slight edge in this one to the Pride, especially since they are the home team.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 09, 2014, 11:45:05 AM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 09, 2014, 09:53:17 AM
Having seen both Del Val and Widener this year against Wilkes, my impressions are a little biased, but here's my take anyway.  Del Val's offense is just as good if not better than the Pride's.  Smallwood gives them a nice edge in the running game, and Wilmer and Bailey in the passing attack can be explosive.  Widener has about as good of a passing game, but don't seem to be as good on the ground.  The big difference is the defense.  Widener has a huge edge there.  The Pride have an incredibly talented front seven that should do a good job of limiting Smallwood on the ground (number 1 rushing defense in D3 I believe), but their secondary is beatable, especially by Del Val's talented receiving corps.  Right now I have to imagine giving the slight edge in this one to the Pride, especially since they are the home team.

Joe - Having seen DelVal a bunch of times and Widener three times, my first prediction (prior to later in the week when the weather forecast is more buttoned down) is.......................

Widener - 45
DelVal - 27

DelVal has 5 starting defensive players out for the year (4 return next year) and another two did not come back to school this year. They are incredibly young and have been bailed out by the offense. Widener has too much firepower. The DelVal offense would score 50 points against the DelVal defense.

Widener gets a #3 seed and wins their two home playoff games and gets pole axed by Wesley/Mount Union/UMHB/UWW. DelVal gets a #5 seed and is one and done on the road.

Coach Greco and staff need to coach up this young team for next year, live in the weight room, get the injured players healthy, work with this year's monster freshman class and have a great recruiting class, including some transfers. I'm hearing "rumors" about the next stud QB transferring in, maybe in January. That would be HUGE for next year as they have some young receivers and a stable of fast backs.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 09, 2014, 08:03:24 PM
Jay and I have basically the same take. I've heard this is the best Widener team in a while and the home team doesn't lose often in recent history of this series. I could see Del Val getting a home game in the first round and hosting Rowan, even with a loss. Personally I'd rather they play someone different just for the experience, even if it's on the road somewhere.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 10, 2014, 11:58:15 AM
Oh Boy...it makes me nervous when you both are taking Widener..
Thats definitely a reverse Hex.

To counter I am taking Del Val by 20... :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on November 10, 2014, 12:06:07 PM
Hobart / LL fans should be on the Widener bandwagon. I think WID would have a 2-1 edge in RRO if Lyco hangs in Top 10, but SoS favors HOB (for now).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 10, 2014, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: bman on November 09, 2014, 08:22:10 AM
Well

It's come down to this week.   Let the analysis, smack talk, and fun begin!

                                         Delaware Valley                     Widener

Total Offense.                #7.    512yds.                         #33.  464yds
Passing  O.                     #17   300yds.                         #34.  278yds
Rushing  O                      #53   212yds.                         #80.  186yds
3rd down conversion.   #42.  46%.                               #59.  43%

Total Defense.                #87.  347yds.                         #15.  252yds
Passing D.                       #121 207yds.                        #129. 209yds
Rushing D.                      #86.   140yds.                        #1.       43yds

Turnover Margin.           #64.     +.44                            #5.       +2.11
Sacks Allowed.              #11.       .78                             #181     2.56                 

Simba Sez: 

Widener 28    Delaware Valley 21
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on November 10, 2014, 01:50:38 PM
I think more like 28-14 if WID is really that good at stopping the run.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 10, 2014, 02:14:24 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2014, 11:29:27 PM


Del Val - 56          FDU - 7       (Just don't understand how FDU can sit in the middle of all that football talent, and not be able to recruit...)


Bman...it's rather complicated, and takes quite a bit of time to type out the answer to that one!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 10, 2014, 02:20:30 PM
Quote from: bill on November 10, 2014, 02:14:24 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2014, 11:29:27 PM


Del Val - 56          FDU - 7       (Just don't understand how FDU can sit in the middle of all that football talent, and not be able to recruit...)


Bman...it's rather complicated, and takes quite a bit of time to type out the answer to that one!

bman - You missed by a point. What's going on with you? :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 10, 2014, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: Simba on November 10, 2014, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: bman on November 09, 2014, 08:22:10 AM
Well

It's come down to this week.   Let the analysis, smack talk, and fun begin!

                                         Delaware Valley                     Widener

Total Offense.                #7.    512yds.                         #33.  464yds
Passing  O.                     #17   300yds.                         #34.  278yds
Rushing  O                      #53   212yds.                         #80.  186yds
3rd down conversion.   #42.  46%.                               #59.  43%

Total Defense.                #87.  347yds.                         #15.  252yds
Passing D.                       #121 207yds.                        #129. 209yds
Rushing D.                      #86.   140yds.                        #1.       43yds

Turnover Margin.           #64.     +.44                            #5.       +2.11
Sacks Allowed.              #11.       .78                             #181     2.56                 

Simba Sez: 

Widener 28    Delaware Valley 21

Simba - Haven't we learned to throw statistical analysis out of the window? :)

I see a much larger Widener victory given Widener's stout defense against the run, the weather really impacting DelVal's passing game and DelVal's defense not being able to stop Widener. Remember.......DelVal's stats look better without having Widener numbers in there as of yet. I'm just hoping that there is no #3 vs. #6 or #4 vs. #5 rematch in the first round of the playoffs.

Simba - Why doesn't Lycoming take part in the ECAC?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 10, 2014, 02:34:22 PM
You have to be a member of the East Coast Athletic Conference to participate...and Lyco chooses not to be a member!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 10, 2014, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: bill on November 10, 2014, 02:34:22 PM
You have to be a member of the East Coast Athletic Conference to participate...and Lyco chooses not to be a member!

Well that answers that ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 10, 2014, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 10, 2014, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: bill on November 10, 2014, 02:34:22 PM
You have to be a member of the East Coast Athletic Conference to participate...and Lyco chooses not to be a member!

Well that answers that ::)

Looks like Lyco dropped their affiliation with the NAIA and ECAC in 1952, when they joined the NCAA.  Not sure why they have not looked to renew the relationship.  One more game is one more game, even if it is not where you want to be... 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 10, 2014, 03:05:48 PM
Quote from: bman on November 10, 2014, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 10, 2014, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: bill on November 10, 2014, 02:34:22 PM
You have to be a member of the East Coast Athletic Conference to participate...and Lyco chooses not to be a member!

Well that answers that ::)

Looks like Lyco dropped their affiliation with the NAIA and ECAC in 1952, when they joined the NCAA.  Not sure why they have not looked to renew the relationship.  One more game is one more game, even if it is not where you want to be...

Now that is an answer bman ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 10, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
I've heard that the ECAC affiliation is also more costly to maintain on an annual basis than the NCAA affiliation.   And while the NCAA shoulders part of the costs for teams to participate in their playoffs, the ECAC does not.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 10, 2014, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 10, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
I've heard that the ECAC affiliation is also more costly to maintain on an annual basis than the NCAA affiliation.   And while the NCAA shoulders part of the costs for teams to participate in their playoffs, the ECAC does not.

Gordon - If DelVal can "afford" an ECAC affiliation..............I would venture to guess that Lyco can as well.

Simba, write a check please and put ECAC in the lower left hand section :)

Gordon - Not to wish away the football season but it could be a very special men's basketball (and wrestling) season in Doylestown :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on November 10, 2014, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 10, 2014, 12:06:07 PM
Hobart / LL fans should be on the Widener bandwagon. I think WID would have a 2-1 edge in RRO if Lyco hangs in Top 10, but SoS favors HOB (for now).
Assuming Widener wins(looks like the most probable outcome based on stronger defense), my little D3 calculator says(with some OOW pct. assumptions, although not perfect) Widener will  have a VERY slight edge on Hobart on SOS at the end of the weekend(obviously assuming Hobart beats Rochester) for ceding purposes. Delaware Valley would also have a slightly greater SOS advantage over Hobart if they win. I think the next tie breaker is brightest uniform, which Hobart will certainly win for the Halloween all orange uniform. Good luck to both DelVal and Widener this Saturday. Maybe catch you in the playoffs  8-)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 10, 2014, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 10, 2014, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 10, 2014, 12:06:07 PM
Hobart / LL fans should be on the Widener bandwagon. I think WID would have a 2-1 edge in RRO if Lyco hangs in Top 10, but SoS favors HOB (for now).
Assuming Widener wins(looks like the most probable outcome based on stronger defense), my little D3 calculator says(with some OOW pct. assumptions, although not perfect) Widener will  have a VERY slight edge on Hobart on SOS at the end of the weekend(obviously assuming Hobart beats Rochester) for ceding purposes. Delaware Valley would also have a slightly greater SOS advantage over Hobart if they win. I think the next tie breaker is brightest uniform, which Hobart will certainly win for the Halloween all orange uniform. Good luck to both DelVal and Widener this Saturday. Maybe catch you in the playoffs  8-)
Bartman
Last time Hobart was in Chester (I believe in 2000), I was in the stands.  I remember having a running dialogue with a Hobart fan regarding their unis...
I will admit I was less than gracious, but those uniforms hurt my eyes, and offended my senses...and if Hobart would have won that day, would have taken a ton of abuse!  Sunglasses are definitely the appropriate emoticon here...  :)
Given Hobart is the much more battle tested(insert accomplished) team, I would not welcome having to watch round 2...but I feel any match-up between WU, Hobart, Ithaca, and DV would be a great game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on November 10, 2014, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: bman on November 10, 2014, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 10, 2014, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 10, 2014, 12:06:07 PM
Hobart / LL fans should be on the Widener bandwagon. I think WID would have a 2-1 edge in RRO if Lyco hangs in Top 10, but SoS favors HOB (for now).
Assuming Widener wins(looks like the most probable outcome based on stronger defense), my little D3 calculator says(with some OOW pct. assumptions, although not perfect) Widener will  have a VERY slight edge on Hobart on SOS at the end of the weekend(obviously assuming Hobart beats Rochester) for ceding purposes. Delaware Valley would also have a slightly greater SOS advantage over Hobart if they win. I think the next tie breaker is brightest uniform, which Hobart will certainly win for the Halloween all orange uniform. Good luck to both DelVal and Widener this Saturday. Maybe catch you in the playoffs  8-)
Bartman
Last time Hobart was in Chester (I believe in 2000), I was in the stands.  I remember having a running dialogue with a Hobart fan regarding their unis...
I will admit I was less than gracious, but those uniforms hurt my eyes, and offended my senses...and if Hobart would have won that day, would have taken a ton of abuse!  Sunglasses are definitely the appropriate emoticon here...  :)
Given Hobart is the much more battle tested(insert accomplished) team, I would not welcome having to watch round 2...but I feel any match-up between WU, Hobart, Ithaca, and DV would be a great game.
Those uniforms are meant to distract the opposition ...unless of course they are color blind :). I was there at the game in 2000, it was a 40-14 loss for Hobart and Widener had an incredible receiver named Jones who seemed to break our back whenever we thought we could get back in the game. My 9 year old son cried and has hated the Philly area ever since...but happy for a rematch between undefeated teams if it is meant to be, or any of the other combinations mentioned.  Also have a score to settle with a loss to Delaware Valley in the 2005 playoffs. Good luck.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 10, 2014, 06:14:03 PM
Who is going to be at the game this weekend?  I would like to meet some of you Widener and Del Val posters.  I will be the easiest one to find since I will likely, unless my Dad attends with me, wearing Wesley gear.  Let me know and I will find you.  If you are tailgating, tell me where and I will so up and chat for a little.  Looking forward to the game, should be a good one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2014, 11:38:40 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 10, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
I've heard that the ECAC affiliation is also more costly to maintain on an annual basis than the NCAA affiliation.   And while the NCAA shoulders part of the costs for teams to participate in their playoffs, the ECAC does not.

ECAC = $3500 annually: you pay for postseason travel, tournament costs, etc. ECAC picks up the gate money.
NCAA = $900 annually: NCAA pays for a good majority of tournament travel costs. NCAA also picks up the gate money, but reimburses hosts (to a point).

I actually have not understood why schools participate in the ECAC, especially in these tougher economic times, simply for the chance to say their schools got a couple of post-season games when the costs don't add up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2014, 12:17:26 AM
For years, the ECAC was also a very political organization, it seemed, very old-boys network even long after the NCAA selections stopped being so. I don't have nearly as good visibility into the ECAC anymore, so perhaps that has changed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DVgradRUdad on November 11, 2014, 05:02:01 PM
Some thoughts on Widener DelVal game, I have not had a chance to see DelVal play this year but did get to see Rowan play Widener. Rowan and Montclair are pretty even and each having lost to their MAC opponents this year. I know it was the first game of the year, but Widener being the recipient of 6 interceptions and 1 fumble were unable to put Rowan away until the final 3 minutes of the game, the last interception they took to the house. Rowan is basically a one dimensional team, unlike the teams of the past. where as DelVal is multidimensional, and as noted by one of the previous posts Widener has been suspect to the pass. I was impressed with the Widener coaching but if DelVal can exploit the secondary it should be an exciting game ! I'm picking DelVal.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 12, 2014, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2014, 11:38:40 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 10, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
I've heard that the ECAC affiliation is also more costly to maintain on an annual basis than the NCAA affiliation.   And while the NCAA shoulders part of the costs for teams to participate in their playoffs, the ECAC does not.

ECAC = $3500 annually: you pay for postseason travel, tournament costs, etc. ECAC picks up the gate money.
NCAA = $900 annually: NCAA pays for a good majority of tournament travel costs. NCAA also picks up the gate money, but reimburses hosts (to a point).

I actually have not understood why schools participate in the ECAC, especially in these tougher economic times, simply for the chance to say their schools got a couple of post-season games when the costs don't add up.

Dave
You're correct about the costs...but for many programs the few post season games are indeed priceless. For us, the cost is minimal compared to the experiences the student-athletes get. Departments have to look at each student like a customer...they're paying anywhere near 50K a year, and anything the athletic department can do to make their undergraduate experience better is usually worth its weight in gold down the road.

Also, many programs will rarely, if ever, get a chance to sniff the NCAA tournament. Until 2013, FDU's women's hoops teams had never come close to an NCAA berth, so the ECAC tournaments were well worth it. Using football, we haven't exactly had a long history of success...but our ECAC berths in 1993 and 1999 still mean a great deal to the young men who were playing on those teams! :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
Great conversation about ECAC games on the ODAC board earlier:

Quote from: tigerfanalso on November 11, 2014, 03:29:47 PM
I'm somewhat familar with the ECAC bowls; for the life of me I cannot figure why a senior would want to put in a extra weeks worth of practice to play in a meaningless game in front of a very small crowd (I'm assuming) with final exams, senior papers, and other semester ending work looming, and miss the opportunity to finally watch college football on the tube with a cold one in your hand.
What am I missing ???

Quote from: CUACARD59 on November 11, 2014, 11:38:17 PM
tfa no disrespect but did you play college ball? I would have killed for an extra game as a senior or any year for that matter. Even if that game was at 3am on a Tuesday night with not a soul watching. In fact I'd give up ever watching college football on tv again for a bowl game last year. Would make that trade in a heartbeat any day
I cant really even imagine comparing the opportunity to play in a college bowl game vs the "opportunity" to watch college football on tv. I've got my whole life to do that man
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ECoastFootball on November 12, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: CUACARD59 on November 11, 2014, 11:38:17 PM
tfa no disrespect but did you play college ball? I would have killed for an extra game as a senior or any year for that matter. Even if that game was at 3am on a Tuesday night with not a soul watching. In fact I'd give up ever watching college football on tv again for a bowl game last year. Would make that trade in a heartbeat any day
I cant really even imagine comparing the opportunity to play in a college bowl game vs the "opportunity" to watch college football on tv. I've got my whole life to do that man

Great sentiment to hear.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 12, 2014, 01:26:58 PM

After seeing all the local, state and national coverage on Veterans Day yesterday and again in today's papers, l must "out" a special friend for his many years of service to our Country and congratulate him on his recent retirement at H-Hour on D-Day this past June on Omaha Beach...

For those of you who have been on this board awhile, you know him as Lyco80...Not too hard to figure out (Lyco class of 1980)...To me it's Captain John H. Lea, lll,  a 1980 Lycoming graduate who had gone on to become one of the senior leaders in the U.S. Navy's Chaplain Corps....

Stephen Smith, Lyco '77 (a retired JAG Colonel and serves as Senior Civilian Attorney for the 21st Theater Command in Germany) was there this past June along with over 30 others in the Lyco contingent and covered the event for "Lycoming Magazine"... For four days they celebrated the 70th anniversary of D-Day and Jack's " request for permission to go ashore, sir." (traditional naval retirement request) at H-Hour...

Jack remained in uniform for the rest of the day and everywhere he went total strangers come up to him and thanked him for his service. He participated in the lowering of the American flag ceremony on the Normandy American Cemetery that evening and also posed for  pictures with àdoring French children afterwards. It was truly a day to remember.-Stephen Smith

All The Best Lyco 80...

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 12, 2014, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: Simba on November 12, 2014, 01:26:58 PM


After seeing all the local, state and national coverage on Veterans Day yesterday and again in today's papers, l must "out" a special friend for his many years of service to our Country and congratulate him on his recent retirement at H-Hour on D-Day this past June on Omaha Beach...

For those of you who have been on this board awhile, you know him as Lyco80...Not too hard to figure out (Lyco class of 1980)...To me it's Captain John H. Lea, lll,  a 1980 Lycoming graduate who had gone on to become one of the senior leaders in the U.S. Navy's Chaplain Corps....

Stephen Smith, Lyco '77 was there this past June along with over 30 others in the Lyco cotingent and covered the event for "Lycoming Magazine"... For four days they celebrated the 70th anniversary of D-Day and Jack's " request for permission to go ashore, sir." (traditional naval retirement request) at H-Hour...

Jack remained in uniform for the rest of the day and everywhere he went total strangers come up to him and thanked him for his service. He participated in the lowering of the American flag ceremony on the Normandy American Cemetery that evening and also posed for  pictures with àdoring French children afterwards. It was truly a day to remember.-Stephen Smith

All The Best Lyco 80...

Simba

Thanks for sharing Simba.  Thanks for serving Lyco80.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 12, 2014, 06:18:05 PM
Thanks so much for your comments, Bill!  I'm with you 100% regarding the ECAC's!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2014, 08:37:51 PM
Last Updated - November 12, 2014

Regional Rankings

EAST         
1 Delaware Valley 9-0 9-0     
2 Hobart 9-0 9-0     
3 Widener 9-0 9-0     
4 Framingham State 8-1 8-1     
5 Ithaca 7-2 7-2     
6 St. John Fisher 6-2 7-2     
7 MIT 8-0 8-0     
8 St. Lawrence 7-2 7-2     
9 Rowan 6-3 6-3     
10 Husson 6-1 7-1
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 13, 2014, 09:29:58 AM
Been off a couple days and missed so much!

First and foremost, belated thanks to Lyco80 for your service, always a voice of reason on this board!  And also Knightstalker, whom I havent seen on in awhile, who also served...

Topic 1:
It's a shame Lyco doesn't participate in the ECACs.  While not overly prestigious, it's crazy to suggest that one more game would not be welcome to any student athlete...and it cracks me up to see the comment that it would be welcome to trade that for watching a "real college game" on TV...Not sure of other's opinions, but Big Time college football has become almost like the NFL, and basically unwatchable...Once someone invents NCAA redzone, it will great for those of us without a rooting interest in any particular major team....

Topic 2:
While I don't really have a feel for what's going to occur on Saturday, the thought occurred to me that I have been selling WU short all year.  They have been better than my expectations all year, and I have struggled to give them credit.  I will keep this in mind, while making my picks tomorrow...

Topic 3:
I have targeted this game (to attend), since week 3.  Between fall sports and family commitments, I generally make 1-2 games in Chester.  A change in family comittments has made it unlikely that I will be able to attend, but if I can, it will most likely be only for the 1st half.   If I can go, I'll post, and you can always spot me by the big "N" on my Nebraska cap...and trust me, it's usually the only one there...:)   

Topic 4:
Years ago, I made a less than mature comment regarding the futility of the Husson football program, and was rightly called out by an ex member of the team.  I was wise enough to admit the mistake.  The comments the individual made, caused me to rethink my take on what sucess in D3 really means.   I am happy to see that Husson has made the top 10 in the regional rankings.  I know there has been alot of debate on the worthiness of teams from the NEFC, and MASCAC in making the NCAA playoff field, but my take is that it's a good thing, that these leagues have (will have) auto bids...It exposes them to teams regularly making the playoffs, and allows for clarity on where the playoff bar is set.  That then makes for more competitive games.  No one likes to drive 5 hours plus to see a game tahts over in the first quarter...

Topic 5:

Bill, The FDU recruiting conundrum will be a good offseason topic.  I hope we can explore it more...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Boxer7806 on November 14, 2014, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: bman on November 13, 2014, 09:29:58 AM
Been off a couple days and missed so much!

First and foremost, belated thanks to Lyco80 for your service, always a voice of reason on this board!  And also Knightstalker, whom I havent seen on in awhile, who also served...

Topic 1:
It's a shame Lyco doesn't participate in the ECACs.  While not overly prestigious, it's crazy to suggest that one more game would not be welcome to any student athlete...and it cracks me up to see the comment that it would be welcome to trade that for watching a "real college game" on TV...Not sure of other's opinions, but Big Time college football has become almost like the NFL, and basically unwatchable...Once someone invents NCAA redzone, it will great for those of us without a rooting interest in any particular major team....

Topic 2:
While I don't really have a feel for what's going to occur on Saturday, the thought occurred to me that I have been selling WU short all year.  They have been better than my expectations all year, and I have struggled to give them credit.  I will keep this in mind, while making my picks tomorrow...

Topic 3:
I have targeted this game (to attend), since week 3.  Between fall sports and family commitments, I generally make 1-2 games in Chester.  A change in family comittments has made it unlikely that I will be able to attend, but if I can, it will most likely be only for the 1st half.   If I can go, I'll post, and you can always spot me by the big "N" on my Nebraska cap...and trust me, it's usually the only one there...:)   

Topic 4:
Years ago, I made a less than mature comment regarding the futility of the Husson football program, and was rightly called out by an ex member of the team.  I was wise enough to admit the mistake.  The comments the individual made, caused me to rethink my take on what sucess in D3 really means.   I am happy to see that Husson has made the top 10 in the regional rankings.  I know there has been alot of debate on the worthiness of teams from the NEFC, and MASCAC in making the NCAA playoff field, but my take is that it's a good thing, that these leagues have (will have) auto bids...It exposes them to teams regularly making the playoffs, and allows for clarity on where the playoff bar is set.  That then makes for more competitive games.  No one likes to drive 5 hours plus to see a game tahts over in the first quarter...

Topic 5:

Bill, The FDU recruiting conundrum will be a good offseason topic.  I hope we can explore it more...



Couldn't disagree more. I enjoy big time college more than the NFL. I love the atmospheres of most of the games and even though defense isn't always prevalent in the games, at least they give defenses a fighting chance within their rule book. I don't see defensive holding, illegal contact, illegal hands to the face, or pass interference nearly as much which makes the game, in my opinion, much more enjoyable to watch. I understand how the targeting penalty can be disliked, but more often than not I believe the college officials do a better job of officiating it than the NFL.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 14, 2014, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 14, 2014, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: bman on November 13, 2014, 09:29:58 AM
Been off a couple days and missed so much!

First and foremost, belated thanks to Lyco80 for your service, always a voice of reason on this board!  And also Knightstalker, whom I havent seen on in awhile, who also served...

Topic 1:
It's a shame Lyco doesn't participate in the ECACs.  While not overly prestigious, it's crazy to suggest that one more game would not be welcome to any student athlete...and it cracks me up to see the comment that it would be welcome to trade that for watching a "real college game" on TV...Not sure of other's opinions, but Big Time college football has become almost like the NFL, and basically unwatchable...Once someone invents NCAA redzone, it will great for those of us without a rooting interest in any particular major team....

Topic 2:
While I don't really have a feel for what's going to occur on Saturday, the thought occurred to me that I have been selling WU short all year.  They have been better than my expectations all year, and I have struggled to give them credit.  I will keep this in mind, while making my picks tomorrow...

Topic 3:
I have targeted this game (to attend), since week 3.  Between fall sports and family commitments, I generally make 1-2 games in Chester.  A change in family comittments has made it unlikely that I will be able to attend, but if I can, it will most likely be only for the 1st half.   If I can go, I'll post, and you can always spot me by the big "N" on my Nebraska cap...and trust me, it's usually the only one there...:)   

Topic 4:
Years ago, I made a less than mature comment regarding the futility of the Husson football program, and was rightly called out by an ex member of the team.  I was wise enough to admit the mistake.  The comments the individual made, caused me to rethink my take on what sucess in D3 really means.   I am happy to see that Husson has made the top 10 in the regional rankings.  I know there has been alot of debate on the worthiness of teams from the NEFC, and MASCAC in making the NCAA playoff field, but my take is that it's a good thing, that these leagues have (will have) auto bids...It exposes them to teams regularly making the playoffs, and allows for clarity on where the playoff bar is set.  That then makes for more competitive games.  No one likes to drive 5 hours plus to see a game tahts over in the first quarter...

Topic 5:

Bill, The FDU recruiting conundrum will be a good offseason topic.  I hope we can explore it more...



Couldn't disagree more. I enjoy big time college more than the NFL. I love the atmospheres of most of the games and even though defense isn't always prevalent in the games, at least they give defenses a fighting chance within their rule book. I don't see defensive holding, illegal contact, illegal hands to the face, or pass interference nearly as much which makes the game, in my opinion, much more enjoyable to watch. I understand how the targeting penalty can be disliked, but more often than not I believe the college officials do a better job of officiating it than the NFL.

Boxer
I don't disagree.  I was really talking about the incessant commercial breaks, inane sideline reporting etc. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: bman on November 14, 2014, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 14, 2014, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: bman on November 13, 2014, 09:29:58 AM
Been off a couple days and missed so much!

First and foremost, belated thanks to Lyco80 for your service, always a voice of reason on this board!  And also Knightstalker, whom I havent seen on in awhile, who also served...

Topic 1:
It's a shame Lyco doesn't participate in the ECACs.  While not overly prestigious, it's crazy to suggest that one more game would not be welcome to any student athlete...and it cracks me up to see the comment that it would be welcome to trade that for watching a "real college game" on TV...Not sure of other's opinions, but Big Time college football has become almost like the NFL, and basically unwatchable...Once someone invents NCAA redzone, it will great for those of us without a rooting interest in any particular major team....

Topic 2:
While I don't really have a feel for what's going to occur on Saturday, the thought occurred to me that I have been selling WU short all year.  They have been better than my expectations all year, and I have struggled to give them credit.  I will keep this in mind, while making my picks tomorrow...

Topic 3:
I have targeted this game (to attend), since week 3.  Between fall sports and family commitments, I generally make 1-2 games in Chester.  A change in family comittments has made it unlikely that I will be able to attend, but if I can, it will most likely be only for the 1st half.   If I can go, I'll post, and you can always spot me by the big "N" on my Nebraska cap...and trust me, it's usually the only one there...:)   

Topic 4:
Years ago, I made a less than mature comment regarding the futility of the Husson football program, and was rightly called out by an ex member of the team.  I was wise enough to admit the mistake.  The comments the individual made, caused me to rethink my take on what sucess in D3 really means.   I am happy to see that Husson has made the top 10 in the regional rankings.  I know there has been alot of debate on the worthiness of teams from the NEFC, and MASCAC in making the NCAA playoff field, but my take is that it's a good thing, that these leagues have (will have) auto bids...It exposes them to teams regularly making the playoffs, and allows for clarity on where the playoff bar is set.  That then makes for more competitive games.  No one likes to drive 5 hours plus to see a game tahts over in the first quarter...

Topic 5:

Bill, The FDU recruiting conundrum will be a good offseason topic.  I hope we can explore it more...



Couldn't disagree more. I enjoy big time college more than the NFL. I love the atmospheres of most of the games and even though defense isn't always prevalent in the games, at least they give defenses a fighting chance within their rule book. I don't see defensive holding, illegal contact, illegal hands to the face, or pass interference nearly as much which makes the game, in my opinion, much more enjoyable to watch. I understand how the targeting penalty can be disliked, but more often than not I believe the college officials do a better job of officiating it than the NFL.

Boxer
I don't disagree.  I was really talking about the incessant commercial breaks, inane sideline reporting etc.

bman - I agree with you completely. It's like watching a four hour series of commercials........interrupted by some occasional football activity!! GREED.....GREED.....GREED!!

..............and the NCAA allocates 3.18% of its budget to Division III. They probably wish that it would just go away!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:21:03 PM
Last one of the year..............the football season goes WAY TOO QUICK!!!:

King's - 28     Wilkes - 27    (I pray that this game gets a good crowd vs. a typical empty stadium for both teams this year)
LVC - 34        Albright - 31  (Both teams will play hard for pride........still stunned that LVC almost won at Lycosimba last week)
Stevenson - 41     Misericordia - 17    (Les Miserabicordia needs a QB who can throw the ball........make the current QB a RB or WR)
Lycosimba - 48     FDU - 14    (Lycosimba does not want to make this long drive on a cold day........won't matter)

Final Prediction given updated weather forecast and having seen DelVal a bunch of times and Widener three times:

Widener - 52
DelVal - 34

DelVal has 5 starting defensive players out for the year and another two did not come back to school this year. They are incredibly young and have been bailed out by the offense. Widener has too much firepower. The DelVal offense would score 50+ points against the DelVal defense.

Widener gets a #2/#3 seed and wins their two home playoff games and gets pole axed by Wesley or Mount Union. DelVal gets a #4 seed, wins a home game and loses the Widener rematch in a cold, empty, Thanksgiving Saturday in Chester (leave before it gets dark)................and takes a couple of weeks before starting to prepare for 2015.

Coach Greco and staff need to coach up this young team for next year, live in the weight room, get the injured players healthy, work with this year's monster freshman class and have a great recruiting class, including some impact transfers. I'm hearing "rumors" about the next stud QB transferring in, maybe in January. That would be HUGE for next year as they have some young receivers and a stable of fast backs. The defense will have just about everybody back as well as a couple of injured starters. Waiting to see if the stud LB returns in January or August.

The #4 nationally ranked wrestling program and a men's basketball team predicted to win the conference should take the sting out of the end of the football season in a week or two!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 14, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:21:03 PM

Lycosimba - 48     FDU - 14    (Lycosimba does not want to make this long drive on a cold day........won't matter)


If Lycosimba wants to make this game...he needs to leave Williamsport soon. The game is at 7:00 tonight!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:57:16 PM
Quote from: bill on November 14, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:21:03 PM

Lycosimba - 48     FDU - 14    (Lycosimba does not want to make this long drive on a cold day........won't matter)


If Lycosimba wants to make this game...he needs to leave Williamsport soon. The game is at 7:00 tonight!

Thanks Bill ;)

I'm looking forward to the FDU Women and DelVal Men Hoops teams this year!! How long before the head coach of the FDU Women's team cashes in on this success and moves up another level?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: bill on November 14, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:21:03 PM

Lycosimba - 48     FDU - 14    (Lycosimba does not want to make this long drive on a cold day........won't matter)


If Lycosimba wants to make this game...he needs to leave Williamsport soon. The game is at 7:00 tonight!

Bill - Loooooooong three hour drive back though for a pretty meaningless game :'(

Did FDU ever try to leave the MAC for the NJAC over the last several years? If no, why not?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 14, 2014, 03:35:09 PM
 No! FDU would never, never want to try and compete as the only private school in an all-public school conference. While it would be nice geographically, it would be a terrible fit for athletics and academic missions. It's tough enough to compete in the MAC as it is...to go and compete with schools that cost less than half we do would be a disaster.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 14, 2014, 08:35:34 PM
At Halftime, Lyco 24-FDU 13...

FDU hanging tough...

My predictions, Sans Lyco/FDU...
Wilkes 35 Kings 28    (Never could really figure out either of these teams this year...both Seem like they could have been 3rd or 4th best in the MAC, with any consistency...)
LVC - 45        Albright - 32  (Gotta still go with LVC here...but Albright can certainly score...)
Stevenson - 28     Misericordia - 0    (Stevenson's D is gonna be tough, but still don't see a lot of O in this one )
Lyco - 24     FDU - 13    (Half time prediction! ::))   Maybe Lyco can do an electric football ECAC bowl!

Widener - 45   DelVal - 38  Agree with Jay...this is not going to be a defensive battle...  PS... is Wilmer a 7th year senior?  Seems like he's been around forever (and maybe that's just because he's killed us in his whole college career...)

Since it looks like I'm not going to get to Chester, went out and bought an Apple TV...and will make the houseguests suffer through D3 football on the big screen!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 14, 2014, 08:48:02 PM
I don't normally post updates, but holy moly...FDU just walked down the field after halftime to bring it to 24-19...could we have the most unlikely barn burner?!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 15, 2014, 08:29:29 AM
Quote from: bman on November 14, 2014, 08:35:34 PM
At Halftime, Lyco 24-FDU 13...

FDU hanging tough...

My predictions, Sans Lyco/FDU...
Wilkes 35 Kings 28    (Never could really figure out either of these teams this year...both Seem like they could have been 3rd or 4th best in the MAC, with any consistency...)
LVC - 45        Albright - 32  (Gotta still go with LVC here...but Albright can certainly score...)
Stevenson - 28     Misericordia - 0    (Stevenson's D is gonna be tough, but still don't see a lot of O in this one )
Lyco - 24     FDU - 13    (Half time prediction! ::))   Maybe Lyco can do an electric football ECAC bowl!

Widener - 45   DelVal - 38  Agree with Jay...this is not going to be a defensive battle...  PS... is Wilmer a 7th year senior?  Seems like he's been around forever (and maybe that's just because he's killed us in his whole college career...)

Since it looks like I'm not going to get to Chester, went out and bought an Apple TV...and will make the houseguests suffer through D3 football on the big screen!

Always a great way to watch the games, have a big screen to watch your primetime game. For myself, multiple computer screens watching the various games across the nation.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 15, 2014, 08:40:15 AM
Nice day for a football game.  A bit chilly, but the sun is shining bright.  I am looking forward to Widener/DelVal today.  I expect points to be scored and will be interested to see if DelVal can run the ball at all.  If they cant it could be a long day, if they can it may be a long day for Widener.  Either way I expect Widener will be able to score unless they turn the ball over.  Going to be a good one and I am sure the fans will be into it.  Have to get there a little early so I can get me a good seat and say hi to Gordon if he is broadcasting the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 15, 2014, 04:37:44 PM
Congratulations to BMan and his boys on a 44-28 win. Widener's defense and offense made big plays early in the second half to pull away for the win.  The fake punt rush for a touchdown was probably the call of the game, set up by Widener punting multiple times inside Del Val territory. Anthony Davis showed why he's an All-American with his speed on deep routes and a touchdown where Klein had about 6 seconds to throw the ball and Davis broke off his route.

As for Del Val, that was a gutty effort from the offense. Six turnovers is obviously too many, but no quit in the seniors. Wilmer is seven passing yards away from becoming the 25th QB in college football to throw for 10,000 yards and run for 1,000.  Bailey posts two more receiving TDs. I think they get into the Big Dance, and wouldn't be surprised to see them host Rowan if the NCAA is trying to keep costs down.

Also, shout out to one-time poster Bill Miller Sr (can't remember his screen name) who has a big medical procedure.  Bill's an Aggie fan and his son is one of the all-time special team greats (Bill Miller Jr). Get well big guy!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2014, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 09, 2014, 11:45:05 AM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 09, 2014, 09:53:17 AM
Having seen both Del Val and Widener this year against Wilkes, my impressions are a little biased, but here's my take anyway.  Del Val's offense is just as good if not better than the Pride's.  Smallwood gives them a nice edge in the running game, and Wilmer and Bailey in the passing attack can be explosive.  Widener has about as good of a passing game, but don't seem to be as good on the ground.  The big difference is the defense.  Widener has a huge edge there.  The Pride have an incredibly talented front seven that should do a good job of limiting Smallwood on the ground (number 1 rushing defense in D3 I believe), but their secondary is beatable, especially by Del Val's talented receiving corps.  Right now I have to imagine giving the slight edge in this one to the Pride, especially since they are the home team.

Joe - Having seen DelVal a bunch of times and Widener three times, my first prediction (prior to later in the week when the weather forecast is more buttoned down) is.......................

Widener - 45
DelVal - 27

DelVal has 5 starting defensive players out for the year (4 return next year) and another two did not come back to school this year. They are incredibly young and have been bailed out by the offense. Widener has too much firepower. The DelVal offense would score 50 points against the DelVal defense.

Widener gets a #3 seed and wins their two home playoff games and gets pole axed by Wesley/Mount Union/UMHB/UWW. DelVal gets a #5 seed and is one and done on the road.

Coach Greco and staff need to coach up this young team for next year, live in the weight room, get the injured players healthy, work with this year's monster freshman class and have a great recruiting class, including some transfers. I'm hearing "rumors" about the next stud QB transferring in, maybe in January. That would be HUGE for next year as they have some young receivers and a stable of fast backs.

Gordon & Bman - See my first prediction (above) for the DelVal vs. Widener game made on November 9.................I was off by a point on each team. My second prediction made yesterday just tacked on a touchdown for each team. I'm headed to Vegas tonight. I think I've got a good feel on who this Aggie team is and isn't ;)

The Aggie defense played great for most of the first half and the offense really let them down.

I have to give the Widener coaching staff props as they made the adjustments and outplanned and outcoached the Aggie coaching staff. Nobody ran on Widener all year and Smallwood had 90 yards  AT THE HALF. They totally shut him down in the second half.

Widener threw looks at Wilmer that he had not seen all year and forced him into five interceptions and a fumble. He picked a bad time to have one of the worst games of his career.

Gordon, with Ithaca losing, they may be now the last seed in the Wesley bracket. Hobart now has nobody local as Husson and MIT will be the New England teams. Do you really see the Aggies hosting Rowan with Hobart out there all alone? I see Hobart hosting DelVal and Rowan going to Johns Hopkins.

What time is the selection show?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 15, 2014, 05:30:14 PM
Jay:

6 pm is the selection show.

You're totally right about Hobart. That's the likely destination.

I've never been to Geneva before so I'm game. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 15, 2014, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 15, 2014, 04:37:44 PM
Congratulations to BMan and his boys on a 44-28 win. Widener's defense and offense made big plays early in the second half to pull away for the win.  The fake punt rush for a touchdown was probably the call of the game, set up by Widener punting multiple times inside Del Val territory. Anthony Davis showed why he's an All-American with his speed on deep routes and a touchdown where Klein had about 6 seconds to throw the ball and Davis broke off his route.

As for Del Val, that was a gutty effort from the offense. Six turnovers is obviously too many, but no quit in the seniors. Wilmer is seven passing yards away from becoming the 25th QB in college football to throw for 10,000 yards and run for 1,000.  Bailey posts two more receiving TDs. I think they get into the Big Dance, and wouldn't be surprised to see them host Rowan if the NCAA is trying to keep costs down.

Also, shout out to one-time poster Bill Miller Sr (can't remember his screen name) who has a big medical procedure.  Bill's an Aggie fan and his son is one of the all-time special team greats (Bill Miller Jr). Get well big guy!

Gordon, you said what I was going to say.  The fake punt changed the game around.  Widener made nice adjustments in the second half.  Good to see you again.  Good luck next week if the Aggies get in.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 15, 2014, 05:30:14 PM
Jay:

6 pm is the selection show.

You're totally right about Hobart. That's the likely destination.

I've never been to Geneva before so I'm game. :)

Gordon - The projected bracket on the site had the Aggies hosting Hobart........assuming the Aggies lost to Widener.

How could that be possible? Is there a chance Hobart did not file to host for some reason?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 15, 2014, 07:25:00 PM
Huh. I don't know. Can't imagine they didn't.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on November 15, 2014, 10:18:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 09, 2014, 11:45:05 AM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 09, 2014, 09:53:17 AM
Having seen both Del Val and Widener this year against Wilkes, my impressions are a little biased, but here's my take anyway.  Del Val's offense is just as good if not better than the Pride's.  Smallwood gives them a nice edge in the running game, and Wilmer and Bailey in the passing attack can be explosive.  Widener has about as good of a passing game, but don't seem to be as good on the ground.  The big difference is the defense.  Widener has a huge edge there.  The Pride have an incredibly talented front seven that should do a good job of limiting Smallwood on the ground (number 1 rushing defense in D3 I believe), but their secondary is beatable, especially by Del Val's talented receiving corps.  Right now I have to imagine giving the slight edge in this one to the Pride, especially since they are the home team.

Joe - Having seen DelVal a bunch of times and Widener three times, my first prediction (prior to later in the week when the weather forecast is more buttoned down) is.......................

Widener - 45
DelVal - 27


Wow, awesome prediction. Watched some of the game and Widener is very solid in all phases , DelVal has some holes on defense as you explained.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 16, 2014, 08:51:21 AM
Congrats to all of the MAC teams this season for making it competitive and fun season.   Definitely a "standard" season in terms of the normal stratification of top tier, middle of the pack, and struggling teams.

I was able to watch most of the game yesterday, and can't add anything more that what Jay, Gordon and Wesleydad added...definitely the fake punt was a game changer..as was the Widener(Davis) TD right after the answering Del Val score... On video, DV seemed to deflate after that.
I was really impressed with DV in this game.  Smallwood is a flat out beast..., the D played (especially in the first half) like champs, and were for the most part the reason Widener's O was off kilter.  Bailey was at normal "stud" level, and even though he had a tough game, I thought Wilmer looked pretty good...he just was probably not used to the defenders being a step closer yesterday, than they have been all season. (Guess???)...

In any case good luck to DV and WU in the seedings this evening.   Hoping both get at least 1 home game...

And Jay, you have been spot on with your predictions all season...great job!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 16, 2014, 09:17:25 AM
Quote from: bman on November 16, 2014, 08:51:21 AM
Congrats to all of the MAC teams this season for making it competitive and fun season.   Definitely a "standard" season in terms of the normal stratification of top tier, middle of the pack, and struggling teams.

I was able to watch most of the game yesterday, and can't add anything more that what Jay, Gordon and Wesleydad added...definitely the fake punt was a game changer..as was the Widener(Davis) TD right after the answering Del Val score... On video, DV seemed to deflate after that.
I was really impressed with DV in this game.  Smallwood is a flat out beast..., the D played (especially in the first half) like champs, and were for the most part the reason Widener's O was off kilter.  Bailey was at normal "stud" level, and even though he had a tough game, I thought Wilmer looked pretty good...he just was probably not used to the defenders being a step closer yesterday, than they have been all season. (Guess???)...

In any case good luck to DV and WU in the seedings this evening.   Hoping both get at least 1 home game...

And Jay, you have been spot on with your predictions all season...great job!

Thanks bman...........I would like to thank the academy for this award  ;)

It was a great season in the MAC............it just goes by so fast (unless you are playing 4/5 extra games like The Big Four ::) )

I am hoping that the Aggies host a game but do see them ending up at Hobart.

Good luck to Widener along the way. I'll be on the board for a few more weeks until it goes into it's "months long hibernation" once the MAC teams are done............it makes me jealous of the Empire 8 and Liberty boards where there always seems to be something going on (and they complain about their boards being quieter than in the past.........wonder what it was like "back in the day"  ;D )

bman - Other than an FDU, I'll assume that everybody else on the board is an Eagle fan (Gordon, not quite sure about you :) ) as I subscribe to the if you (1) don't live in XXXX or: (2) aren't from XXXX or: (3) don't have family that moved from XXXX.........your fandom for a distant team is fugazi. The Cowboys fan from Philly doesn't even resonate as it is not even allowed. Those Cowboys fans don't want your fake fandom :P and with that being said....................

E-A-G-L-E-S    EAGLES!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 16, 2014, 02:21:54 PM
I'm a Raiders fan (lived in LA when they were there) and have no worries about being called a bandwagon fan given their decade of stellar play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 16, 2014, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 16, 2014, 02:21:54 PM
I'm a Raiders fan (lived in LA when they were there) and have no worries about being called a bandwagon fan given their decade of stellar play.

No Gordon, you pass the "lived there" litmus test ;)

Now, coach Rissinger and a family full of Cowboys fans, born and raised in Doylestown................that's fuggazi ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 16, 2014, 02:48:41 PM


Watched the entire game on Livestream in my man cave full of former MAC players and other Skook County "Glory Days" jocks!...Sitting aside of me, one of my best friends who started 3 years for the Aggies at OT in the late 70's, early 80's...

We also felt "the fake" was the turning point...We wondered why the running attack that was working for DV in the first qtr gave way to more passing....The Pride's Defensive 46yds rushing ave/game was exceeded in the first two or three series by the Aggies....Grinding it out against the Pride would of ate up the clock and kept Klein and Davis off the field and the Pride's D shocked and on their heels...Our opinion might be bias because of being OT's but what lineman doesn't like smash-mouth rushing over passing?...

So soon we'll all know who gets the "PUMPKIN HEADS" and where...hopefully this year they'll at least shovel ALL the snow off the field before the game starts and not just the line markings and endzones as they did in 2008 when Lyco went up to Wine Country and lost...No sour grapes though cuz the winner had to go to Alliance the following Sat which the "PUMPKIN HEADS" did and got beat 50 to something!

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joe Vasile on November 17, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: bill on November 14, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:21:03 PM

Lycosimba - 48     FDU - 14    (Lycosimba does not want to make this long drive on a cold day........won't matter)


If Lycosimba wants to make this game...he needs to leave Williamsport soon. The game is at 7:00 tonight!

Bill - Loooooooong three hour drive back though for a pretty meaningless game :'(

Did FDU ever try to leave the MAC for the NJAC over the last several years? If no, why not?

I actually ran into some FDU Football parents at work today and started talking because I saw their jackets.  They said brought up "they need to get out of that conference."  When I said that the NJAC wasn't going to be much better now with Wesley, Salisbury and Christopher Newport, they were surprised because apparently FDU was told they couldn't join the NJAC because they are a private school, and the NJAC is only for public schools.  Pat Coleman or Dave McHugh might be able to weigh in more on that, because admittedly, I have no idea if that is true or not.

Also congrats to Del Val and Widener on their NCAA selections.  They both more than deserved to get in the playoffs.  Having seen Muhlenberg against Wilkes earlier this year, Widener at home should take that game.  Mules run a Chip Kelly-like spread offense like Widener ran last year.  Wilkes did a nice job of shutting them down in the first half, but the offense couldn't sustain a drive (like in mostly every other game) and so the defense ended up being on the field for over 39 minutes and the floodgates opened up in the second half.  Widener shouldn't have that problem and could very well dominate.  Don't know much of anything about Christopher Newport this year.  Would be fun to see a rematch of the Keystone Cup to see who gets the "prize" of going to play UMHB in the Elite 8.

Another great season of MAC football is in the books...on to basketball!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 18, 2014, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 17, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: bill on November 14, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:21:03 PM

Lycosimba - 48     FDU - 14    (Lycosimba does not want to make this long drive on a cold day........won't matter)


If Lycosimba wants to make this game...he needs to leave Williamsport soon. The game is at 7:00 tonight!

Bill - Loooooooong three hour drive back though for a pretty meaningless game :'(

Did FDU ever try to leave the MAC for the NJAC over the last several years? If no, why not?

I actually ran into some FDU Football parents at work today and started talking because I saw their jackets.  They said brought up "they need to get out of that conference." When I said that the NJAC wasn't going to be much better now with Wesley, Salisbury and Christopher Newport, they were surprised because apparently FDU was told they couldn't join the NJAC because they are a private school, and the NJAC is only for public schools.  Pat Coleman or Dave McHugh might be able to weigh in more on that, because admittedly, I have no idea if that is true or not.

I don't see them faring any better in the CC or the Liberty League....

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2014, 12:08:16 AM
I am not sure about the NJAC's mission, but let's remember something... those schools are only joining for football. If there is a rule about only being a state school, it might apply to full membership.

Now that being said, they might have also confused the message that since they are private, the school is not interested in joining the NJAC because it is full of publics. Let's also remember another key fact: football might be struggling, but women's basketball just went undefeated and won a national championship and other sports are starting to compete in post-season play. The MAC for football is one big conference, but in every other sport they are starting to have success in the Freedom. Leaving the MAC because they are struggling in football might be more of cutting off their nose inspite of their face. And so far Stevenson and even Misericordia have shown you can start to compete in this conference. Stevenson and FDU are some what similiar... I just don't buy the excuse that the conference is the problem with FDU football.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2014, 09:33:57 AM
The NJAC is mostly public schools, but it now has one private school member (Southern Virginia) and will have a second next year (Wesley). CNU, Frostburg State and Salisbury are public schools, like the rest of the conference. To my knowledge, all former conference members were public schools (Cortland St, Buffalo St, Brockport St, West Conn).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 18, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 17, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: bill on November 14, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:21:03 PM

Lycosimba - 48     FDU - 14    (Lycosimba does not want to make this long drive on a cold day........won't matter)


If Lycosimba wants to make this game...he needs to leave Williamsport soon. The game is at 7:00 tonight!

Bill - Loooooooong three hour drive back though for a pretty meaningless game :'(

Did FDU ever try to leave the MAC for the NJAC over the last several years? If no, why not?

I actually ran into some FDU Football parents at work today and started talking because I saw their jackets.  They said brought up "they need to get out of that conference."  When I said that the NJAC wasn't going to be much better now with Wesley, Salisbury and Christopher Newport, they were surprised because apparently FDU was told they couldn't join the NJAC because they are a private school, and the NJAC is only for public schools.  Pat Coleman or Dave McHugh might be able to weigh in more on that, because admittedly, I have no idea if that is true or not.

Also congrats to Del Val and Widener on their NCAA selections.  They both more than deserved to get in the playoffs.  Having seen Muhlenberg against Wilkes earlier this year, Widener at home should take that game.  Mules run a Chip Kelly-like spread offense like Widener ran last year.  Wilkes did a nice job of shutting them down in the first half, but the offense couldn't sustain a drive (like in mostly every other game) and so the defense ended up being on the field for over 39 minutes and the floodgates opened up in the second half.  Widener shouldn't have that problem and could very well dominate.  Don't know much of anything about Christopher Newport this year.  Would be fun to see a rematch of the Keystone Cup to see who gets the "prize" of going to play UMHB in the Elite 8.

Another great season of MAC football is in the books...on to basketball!

I guess I am still a bit intrigued by Joe's report of comments made by FDU parents....so some more commentary...
None of it seems to make sense, and has taken us down the path of NJAC membership...but I'm not so sure, that's the point...

The context of those comments is everything, and without them (IMO), the meaning can be a couple different things.
"they need to get out of that conference."    could be construed as meaning that:
1. The conference is not aligned academically with FDU's mission...In which case, perhaps they would like to See FDU aligned with the Centennial (reasonably local), or the Liberty League (clearly less so)...In any case, certainly teams have chosen that path before (see Susquehanna, Juniata, Muhlenberg etc...)
2. The conference is too tough from a football perspective...which would clearly indicate that they don't really know Conference strengths..."When I said that the NJAC wasn't going to be much better now with Wesley, Salisbury and Christopher Newport, they were surprised because apparently FDU was told they couldn't join the NJAC because they are a private school, and the NJAC is only for public schools."    I doubt that FDU would be more than a 1 win team in the current NJAC scheme, much less after Wesley, Salisbury and CNU join...
3. The travel to some of the teams is too far...again, doesn't make much sense given the distances they would need to travel in the NJAC, CC or LL...

Maybe what the parents should be asking, is why doesn't the school seem to care much about the football program, when it is clearly interested in competing in other sports...If their agenda doesn't include a priority for football, so be it...thats their choice, but it certainly is a shame given their proximity to premier NJ HS football teams (Don Bosco comes to mind among others).

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2014, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: bman on November 18, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 17, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: bill on November 14, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:21:03 PM

Lycosimba - 48     FDU - 14    (Lycosimba does not want to make this long drive on a cold day........won't matter)


If Lycosimba wants to make this game...he needs to leave Williamsport soon. The game is at 7:00 tonight!

Bill - Loooooooong three hour drive back though for a pretty meaningless game :'(

Did FDU ever try to leave the MAC for the NJAC over the last several years? If no, why not?

I actually ran into some FDU Football parents at work today and started talking because I saw their jackets.  They said brought up "they need to get out of that conference."  When I said that the NJAC wasn't going to be much better now with Wesley, Salisbury and Christopher Newport, they were surprised because apparently FDU was told they couldn't join the NJAC because they are a private school, and the NJAC is only for public schools.  Pat Coleman or Dave McHugh might be able to weigh in more on that, because admittedly, I have no idea if that is true or not.

Also congrats to Del Val and Widener on their NCAA selections.  They both more than deserved to get in the playoffs.  Having seen Muhlenberg against Wilkes earlier this year, Widener at home should take that game.  Mules run a Chip Kelly-like spread offense like Widener ran last year.  Wilkes did a nice job of shutting them down in the first half, but the offense couldn't sustain a drive (like in mostly every other game) and so the defense ended up being on the field for over 39 minutes and the floodgates opened up in the second half.  Widener shouldn't have that problem and could very well dominate.  Don't know much of anything about Christopher Newport this year.  Would be fun to see a rematch of the Keystone Cup to see who gets the "prize" of going to play UMHB in the Elite 8.

Another great season of MAC football is in the books...on to basketball!

I guess I am still a bit intrigued by Joe's report of comments made by FDU parents....so some more commentary...
None of it seems to make sense, and has taken us down the path of NJAC membership...but I'm not so sure, that's the point...

The context of those comments is everything, and without them (IMO), the meaning can be a couple different things.
"they need to get out of that conference."    could be construed as meaning that:
1. The conference is not aligned academically with FDU's mission...In which case, perhaps they would like to See FDU aligned with the Centennial (reasonably local), or the Liberty League (clearly less so)...In any case, certainly teams have chosen that path before (see Susquehanna, Juniata, Muhlenberg etc...)
2. The conference is too tough from a football perspective...which would clearly indicate that they don't really know Conference strengths..."When I said that the NJAC wasn't going to be much better now with Wesley, Salisbury and Christopher Newport, they were surprised because apparently FDU was told they couldn't join the NJAC because they are a private school, and the NJAC is only for public schools."    I doubt that FDU would be more than a 1 win team in the current NJAC scheme, much less after Wesley, Salisbury and CNU join...
3. The travel to some of the teams is too far...again, doesn't make much sense given the distances they would need to travel in the NJAC, CC or LL...

Maybe what the parents should be asking, is why doesn't the school seem to care much about the football program, when it is clearly interested in competing in other sports...If their agenda doesn't include a priority for football, so be it...thats their choice, but it certainly is a shame given their proximity to premier NJ HS football teams (Don Bosco comes to mind among others).

Thoughts?

bman - Given some of the recent recruits on the FDU Women's Basketball roster....................it absolutely, positively has zero to do with number 1!!!!

I believe that it just not a priority at all. FDU's best running back the past two years transferred to DelVal and like half of the defense, got injured early on and missed this season.

He stated that the FDU football program was a mess. He did not fail out nor was he kicked out.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 18, 2014, 01:47:26 PM
CNU will have to play an exceptional game, especially on defense, to have a chance against DVC.  Can anyone provide any insight regarding their strengths and weaknesses?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 18, 2014, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 18, 2014, 12:08:16 AM
I am not sure about the NJAC's mission, but let's remember something... those schools are only joining for football. If there is a rule about only being a state school, it might apply to full membership.

Now that being said, they might have also confused the message that since they are private, the school is not interested in joining the NJAC because it is full of publics. Let's also remember another key fact: football might be struggling, but women's basketball just went undefeated and won a national championship and other sports are starting to compete in post-season play. The MAC for football is one big conference, but in every other sport they are starting to have success in the Freedom. Leaving the MAC because they are struggling in football might be more of cutting off their nose inspite of their face. And so far Stevenson and even Misericordia have shown you can start to compete in this conference. Stevenson and FDU are some what similiar... I just don't buy the excuse that the conference is the problem with FDU football.

Well said, Dave. Please trust me, FDU is not even remotely considering leaving the MAC. We really have no where to go...nor do we need to. We're not perceived (yet) as high end academic as the CC, and we cannot compete with the lost cost (and in some cases, admissions standards) of the NJAC.  As mentioned, our other sports are very competitive...besides Women's basketball, Field Hockey made the sweet 16 this year, and Women's Lacrosse has won the conference 3x of the last 5 years. Golf went to the NCAA's 5 straight years up till last year. (Sound like TCNJ, anyone? :) ) Most of the other sports at least make the MAC playoffs on an annual basis.

Why is football a problem? This is a very complex question. Some quickies, in no particular order:
1. Football remains a revenue positive endeavor. 100 tuition paying students at roughly 50K a year is big bucks. For the most part, as long as the beds are full, the "administration" is happy.
2. "administration" is a tough term at FDU. The people here actually consider the two NJ campuses one school..and DIII is just thought of as "something nice" to have. Many upper level administrators, all of which are located in Teaneck (45 minutes away), have no clue what sports teams we even have, let alone if they're successful. Our own previous President actually addressed our golf-fund raising crowd as supporters of KNIGHTS athletics - on numerous occasions. I believe he went to 1 football game in 10 years...the one when the field name was dedicated. D1 - and a crappy D1 program at that - comes first.
3. We rely on financial aid - as do the other MAC schools. Problem is, NJAC schools cost less than half of us. Big difference is the PA state schools all play scholarship D2. In theory, there should not be a great deal of cross-over.
4. We're in NJ. NJ is notorious for sending its best and brightest students (save Princeton, and an exception here or there) out of state...many end up in, you guessed it, PA. These student want to get away, and FDU is not on their radar screen.
5. We're not well funded for athletics....near the bottom of the conference in spending - including coaching salaries - yet we are in by far the most expensive area to live in the conference (I'm leaving Manhattanville out of this for now).

I can go on and on...but I'll stop boring you all to tears :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 18, 2014, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2014, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: bman on November 18, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 17, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: bill on November 14, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:21:03 PM

Lycosimba - 48     FDU - 14    (Lycosimba does not want to make this long drive on a cold day........won't matter)


If Lycosimba wants to make this game...he needs to leave Williamsport soon. The game is at 7:00 tonight!

Bill - Loooooooong three hour drive back though for a pretty meaningless game :'(

Did FDU ever try to leave the MAC for the NJAC over the last several years? If no, why not?

I actually ran into some FDU Football parents at work today and started talking because I saw their jackets.  They said brought up "they need to get out of that conference."  When I said that the NJAC wasn't going to be much better now with Wesley, Salisbury and Christopher Newport, they were surprised because apparently FDU was told they couldn't join the NJAC because they are a private school, and the NJAC is only for public schools.  Pat Coleman or Dave McHugh might be able to weigh in more on that, because admittedly, I have no idea if that is true or not.

Also congrats to Del Val and Widener on their NCAA selections.  They both more than deserved to get in the playoffs.  Having seen Muhlenberg against Wilkes earlier this year, Widener at home should take that game.  Mules run a Chip Kelly-like spread offense like Widener ran last year.  Wilkes did a nice job of shutting them down in the first half, but the offense couldn't sustain a drive (like in mostly every other game) and so the defense ended up being on the field for over 39 minutes and the floodgates opened up in the second half.  Widener shouldn't have that problem and could very well dominate.  Don't know much of anything about Christopher Newport this year.  Would be fun to see a rematch of the Keystone Cup to see who gets the "prize" of going to play UMHB in the Elite 8.

Another great season of MAC football is in the books...on to basketball!

I guess I am still a bit intrigued by Joe's report of comments made by FDU parents....so some more commentary...
None of it seems to make sense, and has taken us down the path of NJAC membership...but I'm not so sure, that's the point...

The context of those comments is everything, and without them (IMO), the meaning can be a couple different things.
"they need to get out of that conference."    could be construed as meaning that:
1. The conference is not aligned academically with FDU's mission...In which case, perhaps they would like to See FDU aligned with the Centennial (reasonably local), or the Liberty League (clearly less so)...In any case, certainly teams have chosen that path before (see Susquehanna, Juniata, Muhlenberg etc...)
2. The conference is too tough from a football perspective...which would clearly indicate that they don't really know Conference strengths..."When I said that the NJAC wasn't going to be much better now with Wesley, Salisbury and Christopher Newport, they were surprised because apparently FDU was told they couldn't join the NJAC because they are a private school, and the NJAC is only for public schools."    I doubt that FDU would be more than a 1 win team in the current NJAC scheme, much less after Wesley, Salisbury and CNU join...
3. The travel to some of the teams is too far...again, doesn't make much sense given the distances they would need to travel in the NJAC, CC or LL...

Maybe what the parents should be asking, is why doesn't the school seem to care much about the football program, when it is clearly interested in competing in other sports...If their agenda doesn't include a priority for football, so be it...thats their choice, but it certainly is a shame given their proximity to premier NJ HS football teams (Don Bosco comes to mind among others).

Thoughts?

bman - Given some of the recent recruits on the FDU Women's Basketball roster....................it absolutely, positively has zero to do with number 1!!!!


I believe that it just not a priority at all. FDU's best running back the past two years transferred to DelVal and like half of the defense, got injured early on and missed this season.

He stated that the FDU football program was a mess. He did not fail out nor was he kicked out.

I'm not sure what you mean by that...are you implying that the current recruits are not strong students??

There are quite a number of people at FDU who do NOT think FDU's rapidly changing academic mission is aligned with the conference as a whole, but I'd rather not go down that road at this time. People get very sensitive when academic standards and prestige are discussed. As Dave stated, right now it wouldn't matter what conference FDU is in for football - we wouldn't fare any better against CC schools, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 18, 2014, 03:00:14 PM
Bill
+k...and thx...I think that does shed a lot of light...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 18, 2014, 03:09:08 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 18, 2014, 01:47:26 PM
CNU will have to play an exceptional game, especially on defense, to have a chance against DVC.  Can anyone provide any insight regarding their strengths and weaknesses?

Swish

I'll defer to Jay and Gordon who can provide much more detail ,  but from my perspective, they run the ball extremely well..(Their runningback Smallwood is a beast)...
They have a great passing attack.  Their QB (Wilmer) is extremely polished, and has multiple targets.. especially Bailey who is a talent at the national level.  He will get his yards...
They score points in droves...so CNU will have to score to keep up...

If you happen to upset them, I wont be too sad... ::)

Weaknesses is that the D is young, and teams have moved the ball against them...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2014, 03:15:21 PM
Quote from: bill on November 18, 2014, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2014, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: bman on November 18, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on November 17, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: bill on November 14, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2014, 02:21:03 PM

Lycosimba - 48     FDU - 14    (Lycosimba does not want to make this long drive on a cold day........won't matter)


If Lycosimba wants to make this game...he needs to leave Williamsport soon. The game is at 7:00 tonight!

Bill - Loooooooong three hour drive back though for a pretty meaningless game :'(

Did FDU ever try to leave the MAC for the NJAC over the last several years? If no, why not?

I actually ran into some FDU Football parents at work today and started talking because I saw their jackets.  They said brought up "they need to get out of that conference."  When I said that the NJAC wasn't going to be much better now with Wesley, Salisbury and Christopher Newport, they were surprised because apparently FDU was told they couldn't join the NJAC because they are a private school, and the NJAC is only for public schools.  Pat Coleman or Dave McHugh might be able to weigh in more on that, because admittedly, I have no idea if that is true or not.

Also congrats to Del Val and Widener on their NCAA selections.  They both more than deserved to get in the playoffs.  Having seen Muhlenberg against Wilkes earlier this year, Widener at home should take that game.  Mules run a Chip Kelly-like spread offense like Widener ran last year.  Wilkes did a nice job of shutting them down in the first half, but the offense couldn't sustain a drive (like in mostly every other game) and so the defense ended up being on the field for over 39 minutes and the floodgates opened up in the second half.  Widener shouldn't have that problem and could very well dominate.  Don't know much of anything about Christopher Newport this year.  Would be fun to see a rematch of the Keystone Cup to see who gets the "prize" of going to play UMHB in the Elite 8.

Another great season of MAC football is in the books...on to basketball!

I guess I am still a bit intrigued by Joe's report of comments made by FDU parents....so some more commentary...
None of it seems to make sense, and has taken us down the path of NJAC membership...but I'm not so sure, that's the point...

The context of those comments is everything, and without them (IMO), the meaning can be a couple different things.
"they need to get out of that conference."    could be construed as meaning that:
1. The conference is not aligned academically with FDU's mission...In which case, perhaps they would like to See FDU aligned with the Centennial (reasonably local), or the Liberty League (clearly less so)...In any case, certainly teams have chosen that path before (see Susquehanna, Juniata, Muhlenberg etc...)
2. The conference is too tough from a football perspective...which would clearly indicate that they don't really know Conference strengths..."When I said that the NJAC wasn't going to be much better now with Wesley, Salisbury and Christopher Newport, they were surprised because apparently FDU was told they couldn't join the NJAC because they are a private school, and the NJAC is only for public schools."    I doubt that FDU would be more than a 1 win team in the current NJAC scheme, much less after Wesley, Salisbury and CNU join...
3. The travel to some of the teams is too far...again, doesn't make much sense given the distances they would need to travel in the NJAC, CC or LL...

Maybe what the parents should be asking, is why doesn't the school seem to care much about the football program, when it is clearly interested in competing in other sports...If their agenda doesn't include a priority for football, so be it...thats their choice, but it certainly is a shame given their proximity to premier NJ HS football teams (Don Bosco comes to mind among others).

Thoughts?

bman - Given some of the recent recruits on the FDU Women's Basketball roster....................it absolutely, positively has zero to do with number 1!!!!


I believe that it just not a priority at all. FDU's best running back the past two years transferred to DelVal and like half of the defense, got injured early on and missed this season.

He stated that the FDU football program was a mess. He did not fail out nor was he kicked out.

I'm not sure what you mean by that...are you implying that the current recruits are not strong students??

There are quite a number of people at FDU who do NOT think FDU's rapidly changing academic mission is aligned with the conference as a whole, but I'd rather not go down that road at this time. People get very sensitive when academic standards and prestige are discussed. As Dave stated, right now it wouldn't matter what conference FDU is in for football - we wouldn't fare any better against CC schools, that's for sure.

Bill - I am not implying that the current recruits are not strong students (although there is a difference between strong.......and strong enough) but I do know from the inside that Coach Mitchell has been given some latitude by the administration. That type of latitude would only be possible in a program with a smaller amount of athletes (i.e. this year's women's team has only 10 players) and would never be possible in a program as large as football.

From what I've been told (and not from a recently graduated men's basketball player from Bucks County, PA  ;) ) is that the administration is focusing on other sports..........and that can be seen in a sport such as women's basketball. Football is not a high priority for several reasons.

I would think that FDU's "rapidly changing academic mission" would fit into the MAC.....................where half of the schools have university status and two other's (including DelVal within a couple months) will attain that status in the not to distant future.

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 18, 2014, 03:55:35 PM
JM – first of all, please don't take any of this as a personal attack – it's not. I'm just going to address your points/statements one by one....

1. I'd love to know who on the "inside" has told you the information about basketball...because it couldn't be further from the truth. I'm on the inside ☺  Coach has no greater latitude than anyone else...and there's none. We don't have any special admit programs for athletes. He has had plenty of recruits rejected for admission, just like everyone else. When combined with financial aid, that's one of the major issues coach (and everyone else) has to overcome. It's also one of the reasons this year's team has a small roster.

2. I'd also like to have a word with that hoops player from PA. I think he means well, but is not fully informed. There is no –zero – administration focusing on any sports, period. Yes, they were happy that they won a title, but other than a championship ring and a visit to see the governor, they didn't get anything else. No increased budget, no bonuses, no extra equipment, shoes, clothes, nothing.

3. Yes, football is not a high priority, for a bunch of reasons.

4. FDU's rapidly changing mission fits with some of the MAC, but it is a lot closer to the CC schools than the MAC core. University status is something in name only – other than a doctoral program or two, it doesn't add anything to the prestige level of a school. For more, check out the Carnegie Classifications. There – at least – anyone can compare a basic picture of what some of the schools are doing. One of FDU's big identification problems is being lumped together. (like on US News College rankings) The Madison campus' admissions, costs, student body, and programs are very different than the other campus...significantly more selective.

This changing mission hurts athletics in this short run (although it will help eventually). Kids who used to get admitted don't...but kids who used to get academic grant money aren't getting it anymore either. Those kids now need to pay their own way, and we start swimming at the deeper end of academic prestige pool. Those more prestigious schools offer better overall facilities and more recognized programs, and it's tough to compete with them. Example:
In 1995 the 2.5 GPA / 900 SAT kid would be admitted to FDU. The 3.0 GPA/1000 kid got some academic money...
In 2014, the 2.5 GPA / 900 kid doesn't usually get admitted. The 3.0/1000 kid does get admitted, but he won't qualify for academic aid.
To get that, we're looking more at the 3.2 / 1200 kid. Problem is, he's also getting in to the CC schools...and we're not going to win that recruiting battle yet.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2014, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: bill on November 18, 2014, 03:55:35 PM
JM – first of all, please don't take any of this as a personal attack – it's not. I'm just going to address your points/statements one by one....

1. I'd love to know who on the "inside" has told you the information about basketball...because it couldn't be further from the truth. I'm on the inside ☺  Coach has no greater latitude than anyone else...and there's none. We don't have any special admit programs for athletes. He has had plenty of recruits rejected for admission, just like everyone else. When combined with financial aid, that's one of the major issues coach (and everyone else) has to overcome. It's also one of the reasons this year's team has a small roster.

2. I'd also like to have a word with that hoops player from PA. I think he means well, but is not fully informed. There is no –zero – administration focusing on any sports, period. Yes, they were happy that they won a title, but other than a championship ring and a visit to see the governor, they didn't get anything else. No increased budget, no bonuses, no extra equipment, shoes, clothes, nothing.

3. Yes, football is not a high priority, for a bunch of reasons.

4. FDU's rapidly changing mission fits with some of the MAC, but it is a lot closer to the CC schools than the MAC core. University status is something in name only – other than a doctoral program or two, it doesn't add anything to the prestige level of a school. For more, check out the Carnegie Classifications. There – at least – anyone can compare a basic picture of what some of the schools are doing. One of FDU's big identification problems is being lumped together. (like on US News College rankings) The Madison campus' admissions, costs, student body, and programs are very different than the other campus...significantly more selective.

This changing mission hurts athletics in this short run (although it will help eventually). Kids who used to get admitted don't...but kids who used to get academic grant money aren't getting it anymore either. Those kids now need to pay their own way, and we start swimming at the deeper end of academic prestige pool. Those more prestigious schools offer better overall facilities and more recognized programs, and it's tough to compete with them. Example:
In 1995 the 2.5 GPA / 900 SAT kid would be admitted to FDU. The 3.0 GPA/1000 kid got some academic money...
In 2014, the 2.5 GPA / 900 kid doesn't usually get admitted. The 3.0/1000 kid does get admitted, but he won't qualify for academic aid.
To get that, we're looking more at the 3.2 / 1200 kid. Problem is, he's also getting in to the CC schools...and we're not going to win that recruiting battle yet.

Bill - I took none of that personally as there was nothing mean spirited from you whatsoever. FDU is in a tough place. I had no idea that the institution had become as selective as Hopkins, Ursinus and most of the other Centennial schools. It will be interesting to see what Coach Mitchell does once the Dayon sisters, and the three other seniors graduate. He's been able to pluck a couple of very nice transfers the past few seasons............the benefit of being a great team!!

A very good friend of mine had a son at DelVal, who wanted to move back closer to home and looked at FDU and Montclair. Grades were not an issue and he did get a decent financial aid package from FDU. He would have been a three year starter at LB, with a bit of heavy package FB from time to time. He shadowed another football player who told him not to come and he wound up at Montclair this year. I wish that you would opine at some point about the issues regarding football as you sound as if you have a lot of first hand knowledge.

My former basketball player (the Bucks County kid) did enjoy his time at FDU...........although he was happy to escape the Giants/Jets/Yankees/Mets/Rangers/Devils/Knicks/Nets fans. He was a Philly kid, a fish out of water ;) His comment about the women's hoops team wasn't meant in a mean way, it was in response to a question about why the men's team couldn't replicate what the women's team has done over the past couple of years. He brought up the $$$$ and said something about checking out the hometown's of both team's rosters. He said that the men's team went after the "solid student/parents make too much........but not enough" where the women's team went after the "we think we can get her accepted/need based aid will be significant". He also made another comment that I will refrain from commenting on specifically in this forum, again, not mean spirited in any way, shape or form..............let's just nicely call it "roster composition" and not quite understanding the difference given the same campus and the same high school recruiting grounds. I chalked that one up to a kid comfortably chatting about life stuff. There was no ill will whatsoever.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 18, 2014, 05:13:28 PM
Jay

Check your PM
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 18, 2014, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: bman on November 18, 2014, 03:09:08 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 18, 2014, 01:47:26 PM
CNU will have to play an exceptional game, especially on defense, to have a chance against DVC.  Can anyone provide any insight regarding their strengths and weaknesses?

Swish

I'll defer to Jay and Gordon who can provide much more detail ,  but from my perspective, they run the ball extremely well..(Their runningback Smallwood is a beast)...
They have a great passing attack.  Their QB (Wilmer) is extremely polished, and has multiple targets.. especially Bailey who is a talent at the national level.  He will get his yards...
They score points in droves...so CNU will have to score to keep up...

If you happen to upset them, I wont be too sad... ::)

Weaknesses is that the D is young, and teams have moved the ball against them...

Thanks, bman....CNU can score, but their defense is pretty bad.  A shootout favors DVC, as they seem to have a prolific offense....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 18, 2014, 06:48:25 PM
LET's GO PRIDE & AGGIES....WE WANT A MAC REMATCH IN THE 2nd ROUND!!!...WOO HOO!!!...

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 18, 2014, 07:48:41 PM
Quote from: bill on November 18, 2014, 03:55:35 PM
JM – first of all, please don't take any of this as a personal attack – it's not. I'm just going to address your points/statements one by one....

1. I'd love to know who on the "inside" has told you the information about basketball...because it couldn't be further from the truth. I'm on the inside ☺  Coach has no greater latitude than anyone else...and there's none. We don't have any special admit programs for athletes. He has had plenty of recruits rejected for admission, just like everyone else. When combined with financial aid, that's one of the major issues coach (and everyone else) has to overcome. It's also one of the reasons this year's team has a small roster.

Jay...

You can't get any higher than bill on the inside of FDU athletics...He be the top banana!...My only comment bill is you should try to throw in a mixture of some coal-county boys...It'll only cost you a few pallets of Yuengling Lager!...A very good ROI if you ask me!  :)

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2014, 08:18:21 PM
Special thanks to Bill for taking some of his time to answer questions and engage on these issues.  There may be other ADs who do that on these boards or in similar forums, but I'm not aware of many. I've learned a lot about FDU's inner workings from the time he's spent here and he doesn't have to spend any.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2014, 08:22:43 PM
Swish:

Based on what I've read, both teams can score and both teams can be scored on. Del Val has had problems with mobile quarterbacks and Marcus Morrast definitely qualifies as one. I think it's a byproduct of the young defense where they have trouble adapting to plays on the fly ("We're dropping back in pass coverage...there goes the quarterback, who's assigned to him?").

I expect lots and lots of points and really have no idea who wins.  Should make for a fun game though. If you're coming to Doylestown, travel safe and take notes on the rest stops since driving to Del Val is similar to driving to some of the NJAC schools. :)

Gordon
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 19, 2014, 12:34:52 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 18, 2014, 08:18:21 PM
Special thanks to Bill for taking some of his time to answer questions and engage on these issues.  There may be other ADs who do that on these boards or in similar forums, but I'm not aware of many. I've learned a lot about FDU's inner workings from the time he's spent here and he doesn't have to spend any.

Woa...hold on a minute!!!

Full disclaimer - while I share the same name as our AD, and I have worked at FDU for over 20 years,(I did not go to school there, though) I am not the AD.... But let's just say I am intimately familiar with all things FDU athletics!!

I did not mean to misrepresent myself - I'm sorry if I came across that way.

Whew. More tomorrow!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 19, 2014, 01:51:34 AM
Oh geez. My mistake.

Well, whatever your position, I appreciate the insight you provide. And apologies to Mr. Klika if he reads this message board. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 19, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
This entire dialogue has been incredible - lots to mull over.  Thanks for all the input - this old lady truly appreciates it.  Just hope some Landmark posters sneak a peek occasionally!  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 19, 2014, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: Simba on November 18, 2014, 07:48:41 PM
Quote from: bill on November 18, 2014, 03:55:35 PM
JM – first of all, please don't take any of this as a personal attack – it's not. I'm just going to address your points/statements one by one....

1. I'd love to know who on the "inside" has told you the information about basketball...because it couldn't be further from the truth. I'm on the inside ☺  Coach has no greater latitude than anyone else...and there's none. We don't have any special admit programs for athletes. He has had plenty of recruits rejected for admission, just like everyone else. When combined with financial aid, that's one of the major issues coach (and everyone else) has to overcome. It's also one of the reasons this year's team has a small roster.

Jay...

You can't get any higher than bill on the inside of FDU athletics...He be the top banana!...My only comment bill is you should try to throw in a mixture of some coal-county boys...It'll only cost you a few pallets of Yuengling Lager!...A very good ROI if you ask me!  :)

Simba

Simba - that's somewhat similar to the strategy I tried to employ back when I was coaching & recruiting for FDU. My thoughts were something like this:  "there's tons of great D3 players from HS's in eastern PA. I think we can compete to get those kids to come to FDU, because there are no state schools in PA playing D3 football". I started recruiting the Lehigh Valley (I know it's not coal country, but it's a start :))...and started having some success. I was able to convince kids from Easton, Bethlehem Catholic, Allentown Central Catholic, Parkland, and Freedom to come to FDU...some did well for us. I would have liked to continue, but we made our first major coaching staff change after the 2001 season. The new staff (at that time, they are no longer at FDU) didn't keep it up. Biggest hurdle for us was financial aid - the PA state aid doesn't cross the Delaware River! :'(
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 19, 2014, 09:51:27 AM
Quote from: bill on November 19, 2014, 12:34:52 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 18, 2014, 08:18:21 PM
Special thanks to Bill for taking some of his time to answer questions and engage on these issues.  There may be other ADs who do that on these boards or in similar forums, but I'm not aware of many. I've learned a lot about FDU's inner workings from the time he's spent here and he doesn't have to spend any.

Woa...hold on a minute!!!

Full disclaimer - while I share the same name as our AD, and I have worked at FDU for over 20 years,(I did not go to school there, though) I am not the AD.... But let's just say I am intimately familiar with all things FDU athletics!!

I did not mean to misrepresent myself - I'm sorry if I came across that way.

Whew. More tomorrow!

bill....

So you were the coach back in the day with your Son and he is now the AD?...I remember some "fiesty" posts back in the late 90's with "bill"....Was he your asst. coach back then?...

My bad...

Simba
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 19, 2014, 10:02:24 AM
Simba

Check your messages - I'll explain!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2014, 11:19:27 AM
Quote from: kate on November 19, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
This entire dialogue has been incredible - lots to mull over.  Thanks for all the input - this old lady truly appreciates it.  Just hope some Landmark posters sneak a peek occasionally!  ;)

Not sure it would matter, kate. Landmark isn't going to be adding football anytime in the near future.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 19, 2014, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: kate on November 19, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
This entire dialogue has been incredible - lots to mull over.  Thanks for all the input - this old lady truly appreciates it.  Just hope some Landmark posters sneak a peek occasionally!  ;)

Did someone ring??? too many pages for pbr to catch up on from the entire season so anywho  DVC wins this week 34-24... later my peeps....pbr peace and out...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 20, 2014, 12:11:40 PM
A Drive  by from PBR...Nice!

So will start out today by adding my 2 cents on ECAC action...

Bethany @ Stevenson
Will start by stating that I know absolutely nothing about Bethany, other than what I could garner through their stats...
Looks like they have a three headed rushing attack, with their QB and 2 RBs equally getting yardage.  (A Triple Option team?)  Also looks like the bulk of their receiving yards are concentrtaed in 1 receiver...  When they have lost, (other than the standard shellacking against MU), they couldnt run the ball...
If they are a Triple Option, Stevenson will have to be disciplined.  Perhaps Dave can comment, but not sure if Stevenson has faced a true triple option(if thats what they run)...
Going to take Stevenson here in a true blind guess 31-14...just on their defense alone..

Albright @ Salisbury
Salisbury contended all year for the E8 crown, a conference which is notorious for its depth...and stregnth
That would indicate that at first glance Salisbury should run away with this game... However...
they are 0-3 in their last 3 games against the MAC
and Last Year lost to Muhlenberg in the ECAC game, indicating that they probably weren't "up" for that game...

This game will be all about Albright staying disciplined and defending space.  Widener dominated Salisbury in 2012 by blowing up the first option over the center Every play...which then made it simply an option game which they could easily defend.
Albright seems to play the run well (at least statistically), but not sure how they will handle this variant.
I still take Salisbury here (More or less because they are home) by 14.   Salisbury 38 Albright 24
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 20, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
I wouldn't say Stevenson has faced a true triple-option threat like one Salisbury would employ... but they are very good on the rush and tend to not get fooled by trick plays and such. Wilkes certainly tried to throw a few wrinkles and the defense stayed in its lanes and tended not to over-pursue. Rushing teams have not really gotten very far on the Mustangs, so you better have a threat downfield to keep them from bringing their corners and safeties in to stop the run - which they do very well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joe Vasile on November 20, 2014, 08:45:01 PM
Quote from: bill on November 18, 2014, 02:07:58 PM
Sound like TCNJ, anyone? :)

Yes. Go Lions.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 21, 2014, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: bman on November 20, 2014, 12:11:40 PM
A Drive  by from PBR...Nice!

So will start out today by adding my 2 cents on ECAC action...

Bethany @ Stevenson
Will start by stating that I know absolutely nothing about Bethany, other than what I could garner through their stats...
Looks like they have a three headed rushing attack, with their QB and 2 RBs equally getting yardage.  (A Triple Option team?)  Also looks like the bulk of their receiving yards are concentrtaed in 1 receiver...  When they have lost, (other than the standard shellacking against MU), they couldnt run the ball...
If they are a Triple Option, Stevenson will have to be disciplined.  Perhaps Dave can comment, but not sure if Stevenson has faced a true triple option(if thats what they run)...
Going to take Stevenson here in a true blind guess 31-14...just on their defense alone..

Albright @ Salisbury
Salisbury contended all year for the E8 crown, a conference which is notorious for its depth...and stregnth
That would indicate that at first glance Salisbury should run away with this game... However...
they are 0-3 in their last 3 games against the MAC
and Last Year lost to Muhlenberg in the ECAC game, indicating that they probably weren't "up" for that game...


This game will be all about Albright staying disciplined and defending space.  Widener dominated Salisbury in 2012 by blowing up the first option over the center Every play...which then made it simply an option game which they could easily defend.
Albright seems to play the run well (at least statistically), but not sure how they will handle this variant.
I still take Salisbury here (More or less because they are home) by 14.   Salisbury 38 Albright 24

Even though you have them winning, they did beat the Mules in last years ECAC game, it was a overtime game. However, haven't watch Albright since the beginning of the year and believe if they can stop the run between the A & B gaps and then do what every other team has done to score on the Seagulls and Air raid it out, Albright can win the game. However, if they try to be conservative and be balance, it would go in the favor of the Seagulls. I predict 32-28 (Even)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 22, 2014, 06:12:26 PM
Keith's take: Delaware Valley 42, Christopher Newport 35
Ryan's take: Delaware Valley 41, Christopher Newport 37
Pat's take: Delaware Valley 56, Christopher Newport 31
Consensus: The Aggies have one of the most generous defenses in the field, so they'll have to win a shootout
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The first two predictions were pretty close to the final point differential. I had CNU by a touchdown as well.

On the way to taking a 26-7 lead, DelVal QB Aaron Wilmer was running towards the sideline and blew a tire (hamstring) and it was pretty much over offensively at that point. Wilmer was running the ball effectively prior to the injury and became a statue after. His balls were sailing all over the place as well given that it was his plant leg.

Some very, very questionable play calling (incomplete deep pass on 1st, run Smallwood up the gut for no gain on 2nd, incomplete, across the field sideline out on 3rd) and what looks like a significant lower leg injury to one of DelVal's best LB's (Law) and it was game, set, match.

I'd like to congratulate Aaron Wilmer on a career for the ages................becoming only the 26th QB in college football history (all divisions) to throw for over 10,000 yards and rush for over 1,000 yards. Little DelVal actually now has two (Adam Knoblauch) of those 26 QB's. WR Rasheed Bailey had a season for the ages and Chris Smallwood was first team All-MAC at RB. They will be missed.

If the rumors are true.........DelVal may have their next 10,000/1,000 QB transferring in come January or August. The defense is all back and will be a year older. Five injured starters will be ready and possibly 2013 All-MAC LB Kenner-English comes back. Some good looking RB's and WR's/TE's will be back as well. Greco & staff need to have a great recruiting year, including a few impact transfers. Maybe Coach Clements can help with some DII Kutztown transfers who may not see his field for a year or two  ;)

Football is over in Doylestown for the season. A MAC Championship is there for the taking for the Men's Basketball team and the wrestling team is ranked 4th in the country. All is not lost  :)

Prediction for next week:

If Widener's QB stays healthy (and their coaches game plan for CNU's running QB).....................

Widener - 51
Christopher Newport - 17
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 22, 2014, 07:26:46 PM
Wilmer had seven rushes for 40-something yards and two touchdowns before he hurt his hamstring. He didn't try to run the ball again, which took away a major weapon, and it looked like he was having trouble throwing the ball, too. That doesn't take away anything from Christopher Newport who completed a furious rally. Injuries are part of the game and just as easily could've happened against Lycoming, Montclair or any other game Del Val needed to win. But it certainly changed the Aggies' offense today.

Unfortunately for Aaron, his career ends like the other two great Del Val quarterbacks who were four year starters. Adam Knoblauch lost his last game at home in the playoffs to Rowan. Mike Isgro lost his last game at home in the playoffs to Albright.  At this time of year, everyone gets unhappy ending to their last game except one team. But that doesn't negate all the great memories they collect along the way.

Taking off my D3sports hat for a moment, I wanted to say quasi-publicly how much I enjoyed covering this group of seniors, particularly Aaron Wilmer and Rasheed Bailey.

In my opinion Aaron was the most the exciting quarterback Del Val has had, and that's saying something given that Knoblauch led a team who turned around this program. From Aaron's first start as a freshman, throwing a touchdown on fourth down in overtime to beat Muhlenberg, to his win over the Mules as a sophomore in the ECACs when he played through a bad shoulder, to all the big numbers he put up this year, Aaron was a tremendous play maker. You don't find many quarterbacks with his skill set -- rocket arm, great pocket awareness, Vick-like ability to keep plays alive. I had a chance to listen to visiting teams' radio guys describe his ability with a little bit of awe in their voice.  And I was incredibly lucky to get to watch him play on Saturdays for four years.

Rasheed had the best single season of any receiver at Del Val and is likely headed for All-American status at a position where it's really tough to do that. He matured into a tremendous blend of strength, route running and ability to beat defenders one-on-one by taking the ball from them. In his first season, Bailey caught a ball across the middle from Wilmer where he had to leap in the air and pull it down with two hands while contorting in the air. Former Aggie All-American David Carmon was on hand to watch the game and stood up to scream, "That's my boy!" after the catch.  Who would've guessed Bailey would pass Carmon in a lot of categories.

Congrats to the other seniors whom I've enjoyed meeting along the way including Rodney Linder, Brandon Snyder, Dave Driscoll, Matt Long and Chris Smallwood. Once the sting of today wears off, there will be a lot of great memories from watching this group of seniors.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 22, 2014, 09:27:37 PM
Well, Widener certainly escaped today....
First - need to address all the comments seen previously, that Muhlenberg was unworthy of a playoff spot...quite simply, not only were they worthy, but were worthy of a higher seed...and still highlighting the question of why they would be seeded and sent where they were...
Second - This game pitted the number 1 rushing defense in the nation(statistically) versus number 9...and I can tell you that on this day, the Mules rushing defense was much better than WU's.  I have felt for a few weeks, that the WU rating was bolstered in large part, by the fact that they have had leads, which shifted the focus of opponents to passing offense...I feel more strongly than ever, that this is a major factor in that ranking.  The Mules were stellar(for the most part) and incredible when backed up against the goal line...Widener simply couldn't run the ball inside the 10, especially when they needed to...
Third -  Not that it affected either team more (it actually killed both teams), but the officiating in this game was atrocious.  Missed blatant calls, an instance when they didn't know the downs, and a bizarre sequence at the end of the game that still leaves me scratching my head...

This was a game that the Mules have to be agonizing over tonight.  A combination of bizarre play calling (and decision making) and even more bizarre officiating, was the reason behind the Mules defeat.   I'd be interested to see any comments made by the Mules coaching staff on some of the play calling...

For those who did not see, the last 6 minutes of the game saw a series of bizarre events, that left me in amazement, and resulted in WU being able to mount a comeback...

With 5:23 left, and Muhlenberg up 35-31, Widener gets the kick-off and drives down the field.  Widener get's intercepted at the Muhlenberg 4 yard line...
Muhlenberg, gets the ball on their own 4 yard line with 3:55 to go...
(insert questionable play calling #1 notation here)
Throws! on first down...incomplete ...no need for WU timeout
They rush on 2nd down...good for 1 yd...Widener calls timeout...
Now, when milking clock is everything, Muhlenberg throws on 3rd down FROM THEIR 5 YARD LINE!
...naturally, the pass is picked off and is returned back to the Muhlenberg 5...

2 rushes for 4 yards, and 1 incomplete pass to Anthony Davis later, and with the clock at 2:10, Widener fails to get the play started in time...in fact, they went approximately 2 seconds over the expiration of the play clock...whistle blown and penalty called?...nope...play goes on...
Klein rolls o the right, has no receivers, turns up-field, and is pushed out of bounds by the pursuit...
(turnover on downs?) ...nope, but a flag was thrown in the end zone...
Delay of game?...nope
Defensive holding in the end zone...
So, ball is moved to the 1/2 yard line...
First and goal!
...nope
The down marker stays on 4th down...(Despite the NCAA Official Rules, Article 4, section I), which mandates first down...
(as a side note there was speculation on offsetting penalties, but since the wall was moved half the distance, we are assuming that wasn't the case)...
In any case, Widener attempts a QB sneak...(which beside the point, looked like he got about a yard into the end zone...but my view was bad, and I'm a homer)... but was called stopped short...
The officials award the ball to Muhlenberg...at their 1 yard line...
Game over?   Not by a longshot
(insert questionable play calling #2 notation here)
Muhlenberg on first down Throws the ball!
Incomplete...2nd down
Widener (now looking for the run) stuffs the 2nd down play (a run) for a 1 yd gain and forces WU to take timeout #2.
3rd down
Muhlenberg runs (seemingly) the exact same play (or at least to the same gap), and gets stuffed in the EZ for a safety...

Now WU has the ball with a free kick, down 2 points...which they take and start and advance to the Mules 39...
WU then drives down to the Mule's 12, before losing 3 yds to get the ball in the middle of the field.
The always unpredictable kicking game comes through and WU takes a 1 point lead with 10 seconds to go...

Muhlenberg, retrieves the kickoff and then completes a hail Mary (to the WU 15) ending the game...

Forget the officials incompetence...
If Muhlenberg runs on those 3 downs...game over for Widener

...crazy

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joe Vasile on November 22, 2014, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: bman on November 22, 2014, 09:27:37 PM
With 5:23 left, and Muhlenberg up 35-31, Widener gets the kick-off and drives down the field.  Widener get's intercepted at the Muhlenberg 4 yard line...
Muhlenberg, gets the ball on their own 4 yard line with 3:55 to go...
(insert questionable play calling #1 notation here)
Throws! on first down...incomplete ...no need for WU timeout
They rush on 2nd down...good for 1 yd...Widener calls timeout...
Now, when milking clock is everything, Muhlenberg throws on 3rd down FROM THEIR 5 YARD LINE!
...naturally, the pass is picked off and is returned back to the Muhlenberg 5...

Reminds me of not one but two times during the 2012 season that the Pride were able to escape with victories because coaches chose to pass instead of run out the clock.  The first one was in the game at Leb Val the week after the 90-0 debacle vs Wilkes.  Leb Val had a 37-21 lead with 5:37 left.  Widener drives down and scores a TD, then on the ensuing drive Widener uses their second timeout with 2:27 left.  On 3rd and 6 from their own 36 with an 8 point lead LVC inexplicably passes the ball deep down the field - not even a quick pass - and it gets picked off and returned for a pick 6, two point conversion good, tie game.  LVC gets the ball back and Widener gets another pick 6 with :21 left on the clock, but it gets called back due to a penalty.  LVC misses FG and Widener kicks a FG in OT to win 40-37.

Then two weeks later at Lycoming it happened again.  The Pride just scored to make it 23-21 Warriors with 4:27 left.  Lyco picks up a first down and after a first down run goes nowhere Widener uses their final timeout with 2:32 left.  After a run, Lyco has to burn a timeout because they were up against the play clock with 1:43 to go, then on 3rd and 7 from their own 42, they pass incomplete and have to punt it back to the Pride.  Those two time clock management mistakes ended up biting the Warriors as Anthony Davis would score with :17 left in the game and Widener wins 28-23.

Wacky football...best of luck to the Pride as they take on CNU next week.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Anon E Moose on November 23, 2014, 09:46:58 PM
QuoteWell, Widener certainly escaped today....
First - need to address all the comments seen previously, that Muhlenberg was unworthy of a playoff spot...quite simply, not only were they worthy, but were worthy of a higher seed...and still highlighting the question of why they would be seeded and sent where they were...
Second - This game pitted the number 1 rushing defense in the nation(statistically) versus number 9...and I can tell you that on this day, the Mules rushing defense was much better than WU's.  I have felt for a few weeks, that the WU rating was bolstered in large part, by the fact that they have had leads, which shifted the focus of opponents to passing offense...I feel more strongly than ever, that this is a major factor in that ranking.  The Mules were stellar(for the most part) and incredible when backed up against the goal line...Widener simply couldn't run the ball inside the 10, especially when they needed to...
Third -  Not that it affected either team more (it actually killed both teams), but the officiating in this game was atrocious.  Missed blatant calls, an instance when they didn't know the downs, and a bizarre sequence at the end of the game that still leaves me scratching my head...

Bman- that's an excellent report on the game. Its one of the best football games I've ever attended-even though I didn't like the outcome. It was one of those games that neither team deserved to lose. It should certainly put to rest any notion that the Mules didn't deserve to be included in the playoffs. (It should really highlight just how good Hopkins is!) A game where both teams played so well should not have been affected by the officiating but this game unfortunately was. (I thought you were supposed to get the good refs in the playoffs!) You left out the intentional grounding/no intentional grounding call just before the game winning field goal. It was a little hard to see from the visitor's stands but it sure looked like the Widener QB dumped the ball to nobody in order to avoid the sack- that would have required a 10 second run off-or cost them the last time out- and pushed the ball back. (although who knows what would have happened since the referee did appear to be challenged by the rules at times) I don't know why they picked the flag up. But you're right-  Muhlenberg runs the ball 3 times coming out of the end zone and the game is over. I think that the Mules OC choked when they were faced with getting the ball out from the 1/2 yd line after the last goal line stand . The play calls just didn't make sense. I don't mean to be critical because I think he had a great game plan and otherwise called a brilliant game. (how do you argue with 565 yds in offense?) But wow! What a game. Two talented teams that both played really well. I just wish it was the Mules moving on.  Good luck to Widener against CNU. Actually you're not going to need it-you've got a great team.   
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 25, 2014, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: bman on November 22, 2014, 09:27:37 PM
Defensive holding in the end zone...
So, ball is moved to the 1/2 yard line...
First and goal!
...nope
The down marker stays on 4th down...(Despite the NCAA Official Rules, Article 4, section I), which mandates first down...
(as a side note there was speculation on offsetting penalties, but since the wall was moved half the distance, we are assuming that wasn't the case)...
...crazy

...this was bothering me a bit, so I asked a friend of mine who is an NCAA official, (and who coincidentally worked a Del Val game this year) about the circumstances..
He confirmed that the officals did make the correct call, since the QB never threw the ball...Had he thrown, it would have been first down...bust since he tucked the ball and ran, it's just replay of the down and half the distance...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2014, 01:01:38 PM
I was going to say something to the effect that it wasn't a passing play since the QB tucked and ran... thus not a passing penalty, just a run of the mill holding call. But thanks for checking on it for us.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 25, 2014, 02:20:49 PM
Does Widener have a chance this Saturday, bman? :)

I know you're a MAC guy, but do you know what happened to the regular Rowan posters from the glory days?

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 25, 2014, 03:26:08 PM
Wow, those guys haven't been on these boards in years.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2014, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 25, 2014, 02:20:49 PM
Does Widener have a chance this Saturday, bman? :)

I know you're a MAC guy, but do you know what happened to the regular Rowan posters from the glory days?

Oh yeah...I met some one or two of those guys.... T something or another?????? I can't remember that far back....Too many communions with Stone Station guys from Bridgewater!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 25, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
Yeah, might've been Tom Wilson. He ran a Rowan football focused website for a while and did some writing for us. It's been years since I've heard from him.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 25, 2014, 10:02:31 PM
Swish

Of course CNU has a chance...
I can't say I've seen CNU play this year, so have no comparatives, but at this point, with 16 teams left ( 12 of which are of comparable ability)...anything can happen.

I did trade e-mails with Tom prior to the season.  If the stars aligned, we were going to get together for the WU-Rowan game...they didn't for me...
Tom is doing well, focusing on family.  He does pop into the boards now and then, but hasn't posted....he's an all around good guy, and makes a heck of a jumbalaya :)
I saw DrXGSC a couple of years ago as well.  He can be found during the bigger games of the season at the Brown and Gold club tailgate.  He was as salty as ever, last we spoke...

I plan on attending the game, so if you plan on coming up, let me know...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2014, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 25, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
Yeah, might've been Tom Wilson. He ran a Rowan football focused website for a while and did some writing for us. It's been years since I've heard from him.

JT imploded as a result of the politics boards and was let go from the board.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 26, 2014, 09:44:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2014, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 25, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
Yeah, might've been Tom Wilson. He ran a Rowan football focused website for a while and did some writing for us. It's been years since I've heard from him.

JT imploded as a result of the politics boards and was let go from the board.

That was it JT...and I remember Tom Wilson, too. It is going to be fun next year to be on the NJAC board and more focused on the East Region!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 26, 2014, 08:09:24 PM
JT was Tom Wilson, right?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 26, 2014, 08:43:11 PM
Yes
JT was Tom's board name.  I didn't realize though that Politics got him...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 27, 2014, 08:56:17 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to the MAC fans.  Widener has another game this week that they look like the favorite in, but if they play like they did last week they will be in for a tussle.  CNU Qb Morrast is pretty good, a bigger version of Wilmer.  He will run the ball more so that will be key for Widener to control.  Their defense is suspect so Widener should be able to score.  I expect a good game and will be in attendance, 10 min drive for a competitive game vs. 1 hour drive for a likely blowout.  bman, I will be in Wesley gear and always sit on the Widener side, stands are too small on the visitor side.  Hopefully we can meet up.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CNU09 on November 27, 2014, 09:47:23 AM
Question to the Widener fans, what's the deal with tailgating on campus before the game? Thanks!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 28, 2014, 10:19:29 AM
CNU09

Safe Travels!

Attached is a link to a campus map.  The lots on 17th street (next to and across from Kirkbride hall always have been tailgate spots.  As long as you have beverages in cups, no one would hassle you.  If you can get there early enough, the lots by Swartz Athletic Center are much closer, but you may need to contact the school to see if they are still permit based.
Also, there is a small pub (Maggie Mays) next to the baseball field (on the map), which has former players etc. "Tailgaiting"...eggs and kegs :).

I will caution....do NOT stray off campus...and if you find yourself lost or on the river side of 95 (except when you get off the exit)...do not tarry or stop to get directions...There have been issues (read that to mean crime)...
no sense in putting yourself in any risk....

http://www.widenerpride.com/documents/2008/8/4/visitingteamsguide.pdf
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 28, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 27, 2014, 08:56:17 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to the MAC fans.  Widener has another game this week that they look like the favorite in, but if they play like they did last week they will be in for a tussle.  CNU Qb Morrast is pretty good, a bigger version of Wilmer.  He will run the ball more so that will be key for Widener to control.  Their defense is suspect so Widener should be able to score.  I expect a good game and will be in attendance, 10 min drive for a competitive game vs. 1 hour drive for a likely blowout.  bman, I will be in Wesley gear and always sit on the Widener side, stands are too small on the visitor side.  Hopefully we can meet up.

Wesleydad

I will be there.  I'm going to stop off at the little campus pub, (Maggy Mays) prior to the game as some of my alumni friends/players will be there...
I will wear my Nebraska hat (trust me it will be the only one there).  Call out if you see me, and Ill do likewise.  I like to stand by the endzone, but will gladly sit in the stands...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 28, 2014, 12:34:59 PM
Quote from: bman on November 28, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 27, 2014, 08:56:17 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to the MAC fans.  Widener has another game this week that they look like the favorite in, but if they play like they did last week they will be in for a tussle.  CNU Qb Morrast is pretty good, a bigger version of Wilmer.  He will run the ball more so that will be key for Widener to control.  Their defense is suspect so Widener should be able to score.  I expect a good game and will be in attendance, 10 min drive for a competitive game vs. 1 hour drive for a likely blowout.  bman, I will be in Wesley gear and always sit on the Widener side, stands are too small on the visitor side.  Hopefully we can meet up.

Wesleydad

I will be there.  I'm going to stop off at the little campus pub, (Maggy Mays) prior to the game as some of my alumni friends/players will be there...
I will wear my Nebraska hat (trust me it will be the only one there).  Call out if you see me, and Ill do likewise.  I like to stand by the endzone, but will gladly sit in the stands...

bman, what time will you be at the pub?  how do you get to it from the campus area?  I am flying solo so I may be able to hit the pub.  kegs and eggs is not a problem with me.  I know where it is since I have seen it off of Chester Pike, just never knew how to get to it.  If not I will see you at the game.  Do you stand by the canon side or the scoreboard side?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 28, 2014, 01:32:06 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 28, 2014, 12:34:59 PM
Quote from: bman on November 28, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 27, 2014, 08:56:17 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to the MAC fans.  Widener has another game this week that they look like the favorite in, but if they play like they did last week they will be in for a tussle.  CNU Qb Morrast is pretty good, a bigger version of Wilmer.  He will run the ball more so that will be key for Widener to control.  Their defense is suspect so Widener should be able to score.  I expect a good game and will be in attendance, 10 min drive for a competitive game vs. 1 hour drive for a likely blowout.  bman, I will be in Wesley gear and always sit on the Widener side, stands are too small on the visitor side.  Hopefully we can meet up.

Wesleydad

I will be there.  I'm going to stop off at the little campus pub, (Maggy Mays) prior to the game as some of my alumni friends/players will be there...
I will wear my Nebraska hat (trust me it will be the only one there).  Call out if you see me, and Ill do likewise.  I like to stand by the endzone, but will gladly sit in the stands...

bman, what time will you be at the pub?  how do you get to it from the campus area?  I am flying solo so I may be able to hit the pub.  kegs and eggs is not a problem with me.  I know where it is since I have seen it off of Chester Pike, just never knew how to get to it.  If not I will see you at the game.  Do you stand by the canon side or the scoreboard side?

I have 1 errand to run in Glen Mills, which I'll do in the morning.  I should be there between 10 and 10:30...
If you park at the lot at 14th and Melrose, you can walk down 14th street toward the ball field...it will bring you right there.
I haven't been in that pub since graduation...:)
I usually stand on the cannon side, but since I know that some of my alum friends will be there, we'll most likely end up in the home stands (if I don't see you prior), I'll look out for you as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2014, 08:30:28 PM
Couldn't make the trip up. Too much going on around here. I'm hoping for a better game than the last time we played in 2001. I remember listening to that game on radio. CNU's first year of having football and made the playoffs....and rudely welcomed to a higher level of football. I'm planning on listening to the CNU broadcast. Maybe catch the video if they are closely synched.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 29, 2014, 08:36:15 AM
Cloudy and chilly in the Widener area this morning.  Forecast is for much of the same all day.  High 30's with light winds.  Good weather for a football game albeit a little chilly for the fans.  I think this game ends up being pretty close because I think Morrast is going to have a monster game and keep his team in it.  Widener was a bit sloppy last week and also against Del Val.  They can not do that again and expect to win.  Looking forward to watching this game live.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
Morrast was 25-45 with 269 and another 53 on the ground. Game was a blowout and CNU never gave up and closed it to 10 with chances to close the gap even more.

No turnovers for CNU against the great Widener defense. 361 total yards offense for CNU.


Congrats Widener! Good luck next week out west!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 29, 2014, 04:12:24 PM
Gee Widener, it will be great to meet you and see what you can do.  8-)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 29, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
Morrast was 25-45 with 269 and another 53 on the ground. Game was a blowout and CNU never gave up and closed it to 10 with chances to close the gap even more.

No turnovers for CNU against the great Widener defense. 361 total yards offense for CNU.


Congrats Widener! Good luck next week out west!

I think that game is in Chester.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 29, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
Morrast was 25-45 with 269 and another 53 on the ground. Game was a blowout and CNU never gave up and closed it to 10 with chances to close the gap even more.

No turnovers for CNU against the great Widener defense. 361 total yards offense for CNU.


Congrats Widener! Good luck next week out west!

I think that game is in Chester.

That will be a big plus for Widener. Good luck!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Boxer7806 on November 29, 2014, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 29, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
Morrast was 25-45 with 269 and another 53 on the ground. Game was a blowout and CNU never gave up and closed it to 10 with chances to close the gap even more.

No turnovers for CNU against the great Widener defense. 361 total yards offense for CNU.


Congrats Widener! Good luck next week out west!

Congrats to Widener with the win. I hope its in Chester.

I think that game is in Chester.

That will be a big plus for Widener. Good luck!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 30, 2014, 12:32:36 AM
You Widener fans are going to be too busy to research after Thanksgiving break so here is where you can cram about your next visitor in the playoffs....

http://www.catdomealumni.com/ (http://www.catdomealumni.com/)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 30, 2014, 08:29:58 AM
bman, sorry I missed you yesterday.  When I finally noticed a red hat in the end zone the second half had started.  after widener went up by 3 scores I decided to use the facilities and head home to watch the other games, good decision on my part since they were so good.  I was going to stop down the end zone to say hi, but when I came back out the red hat was gone.

As for Linfield, they will be by far the best team that Widener has seen this year.  They are well coached and aggressive.  They will keep coming at you.  They are not the biggest team you will have seen but don't let that mislead you.  They will bring it on defense.  After watching them yesterday, the QB makes things happen.  He was able to buy time with his scrambling and will run it.  The receivers are good but did drop 3 sure TD's yesterday so don't be deceived by the score yesterday, they handled UMHB.  Widener will have to play a near perfect game to win this one.  Kline will have to be better with his passes and the secondary will have to come up big.  Good luck this week, I am off to Dover for a possible competitive game between Wesley/Hobart.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 30, 2014, 09:28:42 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 30, 2014, 08:29:58 AM
bman, sorry I missed you yesterday.  When I finally noticed a red hat in the end zone the second half had started.  after widener went up by 3 scores I decided to use the facilities and head home to watch the other games, good decision on my part since they were so good.  I was going to stop down the end zone to say hi, but when I came back out the red hat was gone.

As for Linfield, they will be by far the best team that Widener has seen this year.  They are well coached and aggressive.  They will keep coming at you.  They are not the biggest team you will have seen but don't let that mislead you.  They will bring it on defense.  After watching them yesterday, the QB makes things happen.  He was able to buy time with his scrambling and will run it.  The receivers are good but did drop 3 sure TD's yesterday so don't be deceived by the score yesterday, they handled UMHB.  Widener will have to play a near perfect game to win this one.  Kline will have to be better with his passes and the secondary will have to come up big.  Good luck this week, I am off to Dover for a possible competitive game between Wesley/Hobart.

Wesleydad
Bummer!  But, we will meet soon I'm sure.  Saturday was like homecoming...between seeing folks I haven't seen in almost 30 years at  Maggie Mays, the tailgates in the parking lot, and the tents outside...I was fearing I'd never get into the game...
My group wanted to stay in the stands and I couldn't see you, so I pulled away from them in the 3rd...and went down to my favorite spot.  I did get to see 2 TDs and the pass interference up close!, but then decided to go back up to the stands.  I guess we just missed each other...

Anyway, yes, next week will be a huge mountain to overcome...and what a bonus to have it at home.  Agree that we have seen nothing like what Linfield will bring on the field...but it should be a great learning experience for the team win or loss...and will show firsthand what we need to do to jump to the next level...
having this home game will not hurt in recruiting either...I saw several local HS kids doing tours and at the field...

BTW
Met the nicest Mount Union fan in the parking lot after the game.  He was dressed in full purple regalia!  He was very gracious and complimentary of the team (although that is easy when they monkeystomp us each time we meet)!.  He is local to Chester and comes to a couple games a year, as well as attending several MU games... He was at the JCU game and we discussed that at length.  He is a very good ambassador for their program...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 30, 2014, 09:31:18 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 30, 2014, 12:32:36 AM
You Widener fans are going to be too busy to research after Thanksgiving break so here is where you can cram about your next visitor in the playoffs....

http://www.catdomealumni.com/ (http://www.catdomealumni.com/)

D.O.C.
Since you will be busy preparing for your cross country trip, here is where YOU can cram about your next visit in the playoffs:

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Chester-Pennsylvania.html    ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on November 30, 2014, 10:31:18 AM
Quote from: bman on November 30, 2014, 09:31:18 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 30, 2014, 12:32:36 AM
You Widener fans are going to be too busy to research after Thanksgiving break so here is where you can cram about your next visitor in the playoffs....

http://www.catdomealumni.com/ (http://www.catdomealumni.com/)

D.O.C.
Since you will be busy preparing for your cross country trip, here is where YOU can cram about your next visit in the playoffs:

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Chester-Pennsylvania.html    ;)
So Widener students are like some of those D1 students down in Florida? ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 30, 2014, 10:49:08 AM
Quote from: bman on November 30, 2014, 09:31:18 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 30, 2014, 12:32:36 AM
You Widener fans are going to be too busy to research after Thanksgiving break so here is where you can cram about your next visitor in the playoffs....

http://www.catdomealumni.com/ (http://www.catdomealumni.com/)

D.O.C.
Since you will be busy preparing for your cross country trip, here is where YOU can cram about your next visit in the playoffs:

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Chester-Pennsylvania.html    ;)

bman - I see the Linfield trolls are bored up in Oregon (or they are typing while eating three bags of Dorito's........get it, puff puff ;) )and have found their way to the MAC board. Remember, there is only one champion and 31 non-champion's so if Linfield doesn't win it all, they are no better off than the 31 other teams.

Besides............with relatively few DIII, DII and D1-AA schools to compete for talent in the Pacific Northwest, half of Linfield's roster would be playing at a higher level division if not for being located in Southern British Columbia ;D

The inequality of DIII across the nation!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 30, 2014, 11:07:45 AM
coleslaw...first two trolls on here live in Southern California.  8-)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on November 30, 2014, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 30, 2014, 11:07:45 AM
coleslaw...first two trolls on here live in Southern California.  8-)
Doritos and puff puff comments can still be applied to us in SoCal.....thought maybe not to these Trolls (not this one for sure).....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 30, 2014, 12:29:03 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 30, 2014, 12:32:36 AM
You Widener fans are going to be too busy to research after Thanksgiving break so here is where you can cram about your next visitor in the playoffs....

http://www.catdomealumni.com/ (http://www.catdomealumni.com/)

Love these videos.  Do they often practice without helmets (I like the idea by the way), or are these just Friday pre-game warmups/Monday walkthrough type practices?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on November 30, 2014, 01:35:42 PM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 30, 2014, 12:29:03 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 30, 2014, 12:32:36 AM
You Widener fans are going to be too busy to research after Thanksgiving break so here is where you can cram about your next visitor in the playoffs....

http://www.catdomealumni.com/ (http://www.catdomealumni.com/)

Love these videos.  Do they often practice without helmets (I like the idea by the way), or are these just Friday pre-game warmups/Monday walkthrough type practices?
I'm guessing you were looking at the Spring Camp video.....but wildcat11 is they guy behind the videos so he can give you a better answer to your question.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 30, 2014, 03:39:03 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 30, 2014, 08:29:58 AM

As for Linfield, they will be by far the best team that Widener has seen this year.  They are well coached and aggressive.  They will keep coming at you.  They are not the biggest team you will have seen but don't let that mislead you.  They will bring it on defense.  After watching them yesterday, the QB makes things happen.  He was able to buy time with his scrambling and will run it.  The receivers are good but did drop 3 sure TD's yesterday so don't be deceived by the score yesterday, they handled UMHB.  Widener will have to play a near perfect game to win this one.  Kline will have to be better with his passes and the secondary will have to come up big.  Good luck this week, I am off to Dover for a possible competitive game between Wesley/Hobart.

wesleydad...

I totally agree with your comments on that game...The Pride will be able to take advantage of that aggressiveness with bubble screens and draws all day long...It's Davis' turn to show his Prime Time All-American moves and get 'er done!..

Defensively, the Pride must pressure the Linfield QB constantly, causing hurries and mistakes and turnovers (as we've seen all year long with Widener's high turnover margin)...and if Linfield keeps dropping TD passes, add that to the mix with the 2.5/game turnover margin and the Pride should be fine...

Screens, draws, pressure on QB and turnovers...It's that simple said the paper pusher!...Oh, that's right, the game is played on the field!...Is this the first time a MAC team has met a left coast team in the Playoff's?...

Simba

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on November 30, 2014, 05:37:04 PM
Congrats to Widener on getting one more home game for the East Region! Good luck against the team from Oregon ...be careful of any friendly offers of Oregon pot before the game....... seriously, big congrats to Linfield for going on the road and taking out the #1 seed. Hoping another one can go down when Hobart plays Wesley :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bluenote on November 30, 2014, 07:40:08 PM
Greetings from Oregon! I'm glad we get to travel to see the Liberty Bell and eat Philly Cheesesteaks all day! I'm looking for a competitive game....I think this is the first time we've played a team with your color blue outfits. As far as our QB goes....he's done very well this year but remember he was voted Honorable Mention QB behind the QB from PLU (1st team) and Whitworth (2nd Team) so I don't think you have much to worry about. Our lines are also fairly small and slow so I think the battle could be in the trenches.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2014, 08:03:28 PM
Thus speaketh Lou Holtz! ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bluenote on November 30, 2014, 10:43:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2014, 08:03:28 PM
Thus speaketh Lou Holtz! ;)

LOL...what's that supposed to mean? LOL!

I think Widener will come at the Wildcats with a hard running attack but will mostly pass to advance.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2014, 10:56:47 PM
Quote from: Bluenote on November 30, 2014, 10:43:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2014, 08:03:28 PM
Thus speaketh Lou Holtz! ;)

LOL...what's that supposed to mean? LOL!

I think Widener will come at the Wildcats with a hard running attack but will mostly pass to advance.

Lou Holtz always downplayed his own team but talked up the opponent as the greatest thing since sliced bread.  I forecast Linfield in a double monkey stomp.  I will be shocked if it is a close game.

Same with Wesley over Hobart.  I think the two interesting games will be the UMU-JCU rematch and Wartburg-UWW.  I believe UMU and UWW will prevail, but JCU and Wartburg are both capable of the upset.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 01, 2014, 10:10:14 AM
Oh boy...here comes the purple(...not sure what shade)  tide of trashtalk....

was waiting for this to happen...

For the Linfield posters: (or anyone with a "cat" at the end of their name...)

Look, we all know that this is monumental task for the Pride to overcome...
And you won't find any of our posters rolling over to your boards talking trash (at least none of the long time posters)...
We are extremely proud of this Widener team for many reasons.
The simple fact that this team has worked their way through a regular season undefeated is amazing given that they have had 3 different head coaches in 3 years...
Think about that....three vastly different schemes, 3 different O and D coordinators...yet this team has achieved more than we could have asked...

What was Linfield ranked preaseason?  5?, 6?
Widener was ranked 40....
So you are where you are supposed to be...
We (the fans, the alumini players etc...) are ecstatic to be here and to have a home game...and we understand the disparity between the big 4(5) and the rest of us...but it won't take away from the joy we feel for the team to have made it to this point, against Everyone's predicitions...

We certainly welcome discussion of great football, and schemes/chances etc...but if you come here beating your chest etc..talking about monkeystomps(a term stolen from the East's LL board), you've come to the wrong place...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 01, 2014, 10:49:32 AM
Well put.

QuoteWe certainly welcome discussion of great football, and schemes/chances etc...

Boring.

Tell us more about the military school days.  :-*
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 01, 2014, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 01, 2014, 10:49:32 AM
Well put.

QuoteWe certainly welcome discussion of great football, and schemes/chances etc...

Boring.

Tell us more about the military school days.  :-*

That I can do...:)

Met a couple of PMC graduates at a tailgate last week.  Like Widener College and older Widener University grads, they pretty much hate the Pride nickname.  The original Pioneers (named after the Combat Engineers) is much more preferable to us...

Notable Alum include Cecil B Demille (more relevant out your way), and who's signature you can see if you sneak into the "Old Main" building (the original College building) and climb up into the dome...you can also see mine, if you do that.... ::)

Another notable alum is 2LT John Lance (Jack) Geoghegan who was prominently featured in the book written by Lt Gen Harold B Moore, and which was then made into a movie.   Several awards and scholarships are named after him.

At homecoming each year, there is a "Broom Drill" that occurs on the field in which previous PMC classes are assembled on the field in formation, substituting brooms in place of rifles...

Unfortunately the Military aspect of the school is much less visible these days, as the school that (even I attended) looks very little like it does now. 

The football field (also used then as a drill field) was right in the middle of campus, and was in a great location...due to real estate value, and it being the prime location for new buildings, it was moved to a new location, behind the athletic center...
The old field also was the Philadelphia Eagles pre-season training camp home for several years...
They tried to recreate that location for the film Invincible, but that for anyone that knows the location, the editing has several mistakes...they did do a good job of recreating Kirkbride Hall which sat next to the old field...

hope that helps... :)

Good Chessesteak locations in the next installment....

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 01, 2014, 01:26:21 PM
Quoteclimb up into the dome...you can also see mine, if you do that.... ::)


Good one!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 01, 2014, 02:19:04 PM
What? No Billy "white shoes" Johnson references? How about a Bill Manlove... ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 01, 2014, 02:39:42 PM
Ha!

I was sticking to PMC Alum...didnt get to football yet!
Or I could have also mentioned Joe Fields... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on December 01, 2014, 05:18:07 PM
If you want a taste of Linfield, just go to www.catdomealumni.com  Lots of great vids, Take a look at the one titled, Welcome to the Shark Tank...   

Here we come baby.

Phone it in
This one is in the bank boys.

Salt has been shipped for our Salty D, will arrive on Friday.  DC 1, you are in charge of getting it to the boys.  Also, bring the twins with, nice touch from Texas my man.

Linfi3ld 5trong   

Catdome 24-7-365 baby

GHC Out
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 01, 2014, 05:58:24 PM
NOT a Southern California guy.  ;D 8-) ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on December 01, 2014, 06:28:11 PM
Surfs up Dens..  You are SO CAL !!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bluenote on December 01, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
....I was curious as to what an actual authentic Philly Cheese-steak Sandwich consisted of? The ones I've had are made with a hoagie type bun, shaved roast beef and Cheese-whiz on top.....is that correct? Maybe some grilled onions or peppers also?

LINFI3LD 5TRONG!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 01, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
My only one was just past the visitor center on I95. The place was recommended to us at the center.
A TON of ketchup.
Did not realize I was right near Widener or I'd have ducked in for a look-see.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2014, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 01, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
My only one was just past the visitor center on I95. The place was recommended to us at the center.
A TON of ketchup.
Did not realize I was right near Widener or I'd have ducked in for a look-see.

Yeah. I wouldn't recommend that but the Philly locals can tell you what are the best places. The tourist trap places are two spots across the street from each other in South Philly called Pat's and Geno's and those are certainly good but there are better ones they might be willing to tell you about.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joe Vasile on December 01, 2014, 09:23:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2014, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 01, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
My only one was just past the visitor center on I95. The place was recommended to us at the center.
A TON of ketchup.
Did not realize I was right near Widener or I'd have ducked in for a look-see.

Yeah. I wouldn't recommend that but the Philly locals can tell you what are the best places. The tourist trap places are two spots across the street from each other in South Philly called Pat's and Geno's and those are certainly good but there are better ones they might be willing to tell you about.

Tony Luke's on Oregon Ave.  It's also about 3 blocks away from the old ECW Arena if there's any 90's wrestling fans.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 02, 2014, 09:11:52 AM
Quote from: Bluenote on December 01, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
....I was curious as to what an actual authentic Philly Cheese-steak Sandwich consisted of? The ones I've had are made with a hoagie type bun, shaved roast beef   No! and Cheese-whiz on top.....is that correct? Maybe some grilled onions or peppers also?

LINFI3LD 5TRONG!

Authentic:

Hoagie roll  - Amoross's or equivalent
Shaved Steak (Chopped or not chopped)
Cheese Wiz
Fried Onions
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 02, 2014, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: Joe Vasile on December 01, 2014, 09:23:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2014, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 01, 2014, 08:04:39 PM
My only one was just past the visitor center on I95. The place was recommended to us at the center.
A TON of ketchup.
Did not realize I was right near Widener or I'd have ducked in for a look-see.

Yeah. I wouldn't recommend that but the Philly locals can tell you what are the best places. The tourist trap places are two spots across the street from each other in South Philly called Pat's and Geno's and those are certainly good but there are better ones they might be willing to tell you about.

Tony Luke's on Oregon Ave.  It's also about 3 blocks away from the old ECW Arena if there's any 90's wrestling fans.

Joe...c'mon ...blah!  (Actually, it's an OK steak), but if I'm going to Tony Lukes, I'm ordering the Roast Pork, with sharp provolone and Broccoli Rabe...(One of the best Sandwiches in the City!)

From a Steak perspective I like:

Sonny's (great steak and near the Liberty bell for tourism purposes)
Claymont Steak (a little south of the Widener Campus (10 mins), but they make a GREAT cheessteak
Jims - they chop the meat which I like...and its relatively easy to get in and out of at the end of South Street
Campo's - Close to Sonny's but not as nice...

I have heard that John's Roast Pork has a great cheesesteak, but I have not had it...I plan to rectify that soon!

Pats and Genos...good tourist spot, but blah....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on December 02, 2014, 09:28:48 AM
Can you guys explain this "cheese wiz" stuff?  Here in Boston a "steak and cheese" uses regular cheese that you would put on a cold sub, but is melted onto the steak (sometimes shaved) on the grill.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 02, 2014, 09:35:25 AM
Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on December 02, 2014, 09:28:48 AM
Can you guys explain this "cheese wiz" stuff?  Here in Boston a "steak and cheese" uses regular cheese that you would put on a cold sub, but is melted onto the steak (sometimes shaved) on the grill.

There is no explanation...
It's a substance that is dreadful under most other uses, but add it to the steak, (especially of you've had 6+ drinks...) = golden deliciousness!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2014, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: Bluenote on December 01, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
....I was curious as to what an actual authentic Philly Cheese-steak Sandwich consisted of? The ones I've had are made with a hoagie type bun, shaved roast beef and Cheese-whiz on top.....is that correct? Maybe some grilled onions or peppers also?

LINFI3LD 5TRONG!

Yes.. Tony Luke's is good as is Jim's on south street... Pats and Geno's are good as well... BUT YOU MUST have Amoroso rolls(water they use is the key to why they are so good).  The establishments listed previously use nothing but...  ALSO A MUST... KNOW how to order! KNOW WHAT YOU WANT BEFORE YOU STEP UP TO ORDER! Jims for example will make you go to the back of the line if you step up and go "uhhhhhh....let's see what I want" and the lines can be 50+ people long at times. AND HERE IS HOW TO ORDER! KNOW IT...LIVE IT... LOVE IT.... How To Order a Philly Cheesesteak
When ordering a cheesesteak, the idea is to let the cashier know a.) that you would like a cheesesteak, b.) what type of cheese you want, and c.) whether or not you want fried onions. And you have to be as concise as possible while doing so.

Locals have become so adept at this practice that they basically have it down to three words: saying "one wiz with" to the person behind the counter means that you would like one cheesesteak [denoted by the "one"] with Cheeze Wiz as your choice of cheese [denoted by the "wiz"] and with fried onions [denoted by the "with"].

Similarly, saying "one provolone without" would secure you a single cheesesteak [one] made with provolone cheese [provolone] and without fried onions [without].

KNOW IT.....LIVE IT.....LOVE IT.... Hope you have a great time in our city.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 02, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
bluenote must be pulling your chain. He's one of those Oregon vegans.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bluenote on December 02, 2014, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 02, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
bluenote must be pulling your chain. He's one of those Oregon vegans.

....NOT.... I pretty much eat anything (unfortunately for my gut and heart)...in fact I'm going into Portland today to find the best Philly Cheese Steak I can.... searching YELP now!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on December 02, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
Quote from: Bluenote on December 02, 2014, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 02, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
bluenote must be pulling your chain. He's one of those Oregon vegans.

....NOT.... I pretty much eat anything (unfortunately for my gut and heart)...in fact I'm going into Portland today to find the best Philly Cheese Steak I can.... searching YELP now!!!  ;D
Still pulling your chain though--since I don't think he's headed to Chester, PA to try any of the recommended places.....but neither am I  :-\
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on December 02, 2014, 12:11:46 PM
So how long is the trek from Oregon to Pennsylvania for those that are traveling on the road. I would think it would be close to two days (non-stop).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 02, 2014, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on December 02, 2014, 12:11:46 PM
So how long is the trek from Oregon to Pennsylvania for those that are traveling on the road. I would think it would be close to two days (non-stop).

43 hours by car with multiple drivers.  By bus, a single driver can only drive for 10 hours and you want to say that is at an average of 50 mph (with stops - I used to be in the Transportation Industry).
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 02, 2014, 12:23:59 PM
Quote from: Bluenote on December 01, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
....I was curious as to what an actual authentic Philly Cheese-steak Sandwich consisted of? The ones I've had are made with a hoagie type bun, shaved roast beef and Cheese-whiz on top.....is that correct? Maybe some grilled onions or peppers also?

LINFI3LD 5TRONG!

Bluenote!!  My man and his cheese-whiz.  Love me some cheese-whiz -- much to the chagrin of my in-laws and wife.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 02, 2014, 12:32:22 PM
That go to the end of the line thing is real back east, bluenote. Your pablum Portland pursuit should be no problem.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on December 02, 2014, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: PBR... on December 02, 2014, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: Bluenote on December 01, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
....I was curious as to what an actual authentic Philly Cheese-steak Sandwich consisted of? The ones I've had are made with a hoagie type bun, shaved roast beef and Cheese-whiz on top.....is that correct? Maybe some grilled onions or peppers also?

LINFI3LD 5TRONG!

Yes.. Tony Luke's is good as is Jim's on south street... Pats and Geno's are good as well... BUT YOU MUST have Amoroso rolls(water they use is the key to why they are so good).  The establishments listed previously use nothing but...  ALSO A MUST... KNOW how to order! KNOW WHAT YOU WANT BEFORE YOU STEP UP TO ORDER! Jims for example will make you go to the back of the line if you step up and go "uhhhhhh....let's see what I want" and the lines can be 50+ people long at times. AND HERE IS HOW TO ORDER! KNOW IT...LIVE IT... LOVE IT.... How To Order a Philly Cheesesteak
When ordering a cheesesteak, the idea is to let the cashier know a.) that you would like a cheesesteak, b.) what type of cheese you want, and c.) whether or not you want fried onions. And you have to be as concise as possible while doing so.

Locals have become so adept at this practice that they basically have it down to three words: saying "one wiz with" to the person behind the counter means that you would like one cheesesteak [denoted by the "one"] with Cheeze Wiz as your choice of cheese [denoted by the "wiz"] and with fried onions [denoted by the "with"].

Similarly, saying "one provolone without" would secure you a single cheesesteak [one] made with provolone cheese [provolone] and without fried onions [without].

KNOW IT.....LIVE IT.....LOVE IT.... Hope you have a great time in our city.

Thank you for the tip!!!!!  Not looking forward to the flight but looking forward to checking out the city, food, and watch some great football as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2014, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on December 02, 2014, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: PBR... on December 02, 2014, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: Bluenote on December 01, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
....I was curious as to what an actual authentic Philly Cheese-steak Sandwich consisted of? The ones I've had are made with a hoagie type bun, shaved roast beef and Cheese-whiz on top.....is that correct? Maybe some grilled onions or peppers also?

LINFI3LD 5TRONG!

Yes.. Tony Luke's is good as is Jim's on south street... Pats and Geno's are good as well... BUT YOU MUST have Amoroso rolls(water they use is the key to why they are so good).  The establishments listed previously use nothing but...  ALSO A MUST... KNOW how to order! KNOW WHAT YOU WANT BEFORE YOU STEP UP TO ORDER! Jims for example will make you go to the back of the line if you step up and go "uhhhhhh....let's see what I want" and the lines can be 50+ people long at times. AND HERE IS HOW TO ORDER! KNOW IT...LIVE IT... LOVE IT.... How To Order a Philly Cheesesteak
When ordering a cheesesteak, the idea is to let the cashier know a.) that you would like a cheesesteak, b.) what type of cheese you want, and c.) whether or not you want fried onions. And you have to be as concise as possible while doing so.

Locals have become so adept at this practice that they basically have it down to three words: saying "one wiz with" to the person behind the counter means that you would like one cheesesteak [denoted by the "one"] with Cheeze Wiz as your choice of cheese [denoted by the "wiz"] and with fried onions [denoted by the "with"].

Similarly, saying "one provolone without" would secure you a single cheesesteak [one] made with provolone cheese [provolone] and without fried onions [without].

KNOW IT.....LIVE IT.....LOVE IT.... Hope you have a great time in our city.

Thank you for the tip!!!!!  Not looking forward to the flight but looking forward to checking out the city, food, and watch some great football as well.

Thanks for clueing the Linfield folks in. I knew it would be more authentic coming from a local. My only claims on Philly is having married a girl from Levittown. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 02, 2014, 01:51:24 PM
Did she look like all the other girls?
(that's a joke about the homes looking all alike  :) )
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 02, 2014, 03:09:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2014, 01:38:22 PM
Thanks for clueing the Linfield folks in. I knew it would be more authentic coming from a local. My only claims on Philly is having married a girl from Levittown. :)

How on earth did you talk her into Minneapolis, Pat?  You must have some salesman in you..
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 02, 2014, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2014, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on December 02, 2014, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: PBR... on December 02, 2014, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: Bluenote on December 01, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
....I was curious as to what an actual authentic Philly Cheese-steak Sandwich consisted of? The ones I've had are made with a hoagie type bun, shaved roast beef and Cheese-whiz on top.....is that correct? Maybe some grilled onions or peppers also?

LINFI3LD 5TRONG!

Yes.. Tony Luke's is good as is Jim's on south street... Pats and Geno's are good as well... BUT YOU MUST have Amoroso rolls(water they use is the key to why they are so good).  The establishments listed previously use nothing but...  ALSO A MUST... KNOW how to order! KNOW WHAT YOU WANT BEFORE YOU STEP UP TO ORDER! Jims for example will make you go to the back of the line if you step up and go "uhhhhhh....let's see what I want" and the lines can be 50+ people long at times. AND HERE IS HOW TO ORDER! KNOW IT...LIVE IT... LOVE IT.... How To Order a Philly Cheesesteak
When ordering a cheesesteak, the idea is to let the cashier know a.) that you would like a cheesesteak, b.) what type of cheese you want, and c.) whether or not you want fried onions. And you have to be as concise as possible while doing so.

Locals have become so adept at this practice that they basically have it down to three words: saying "one wiz with" to the person behind the counter means that you would like one cheesesteak [denoted by the "one"] with Cheeze Wiz as your choice of cheese [denoted by the "wiz"] and with fried onions [denoted by the "with"].

Similarly, saying "one provolone without" would secure you a single cheesesteak [one] made with provolone cheese [provolone] and without fried onions [without].

KNOW IT.....LIVE IT.....LOVE IT.... Hope you have a great time in our city.

Thank you for the tip!!!!!  Not looking forward to the flight but looking forward to checking out the city, food, and watch some great football as well.

Thanks for clueing the Linfield folks in. I knew it would be more authentic coming from a local. My only claims on Philly is having married a girl from Levittown. :)

no problem... Levittown? Must be a Neshaminy HS grad or a catholic school grad from there.  Also for any visitors  coming in for the game if you get a chance check out the constitution center in center city. Especially if your a history buff, some really cool things there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 02, 2014, 03:45:22 PM
I'm recommending a penny on Ben Franklin grave site.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: George Thompson on December 02, 2014, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: Bluenote on December 02, 2014, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 02, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
bluenote must be pulling your chain. He's one of those Oregon vegans.

....NOT.... I pretty much eat anything (unfortunately for my gut and heart)...in fact I'm going into Portland today to find the best Philly Cheese Steak I can.... searching YELP now!!!  ;D

Bluenote, try Jersey Mike's.   It is a franchised chain, but the best around here.   I have tried many locally.

YUM.  YUM.

George
GO CATS! GO!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on December 02, 2014, 04:53:12 PM
Quote from: George Thompson on December 02, 2014, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: Bluenote on December 02, 2014, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 02, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
bluenote must be pulling your chain. He's one of those Oregon vegans.

....NOT.... I pretty much eat anything (unfortunately for my gut and heart)...in fact I'm going into Portland today to find the best Philly Cheese Steak I can.... searching YELP now!!!  ;D

Bluenote, try Jersey Mike's.   It is a franchised chain, but the best around here.   I have tried many locally.

YUM.  YUM.

George
GO CATS! GO!
HA!  I'm pretty sure that isn't going over well on this board..... :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 02, 2014, 05:36:07 PM
I'm not from Philadelphia originally, but have lived, worked and gone to grad school here for about a decade now. Three other places I love to show visitors:

* Reading Terminal: It's a foodmarket downtown with a variety of shops run by the Amish people (best chocolate milk around) and other local merchants.  Cheesesteaks are great, but Philadelphia has some other really good food that doesn't involve the words "wiz wit." :)

* Fairmount Park: Some of Fairmount is standard park space in a large city (grass, picnic tables, basketball courts).  And there's a part of Fairmount that traces the Schuykil River and has boat houses, statues, joggers, etc.  But my favorite part is a series of forest covered bike and hiking trails that make you feel like your miles away from a large industrial city. I like to take people to the forest and say, "Welcome to Philadelphia!"

* Art Museum:  It's cliche and a "tourist trap," but the steps to the Art Museum that were made famous by the Rocky movies are fun to visit.  You can take your picture with the Rocky statue and maybe Wildcat 11 captures some B-roll for his next Linfield athletics promotional video. Or just watch all the tourists who come to re-enact the stair run and then realize it's harder than it looked in the movies. :)

Other cool sites: Old Italian Market in South Philly, mansions outside the City like Winterthur that were owned by the DuPont Family and the enormous King of Prussia mall.  Personally I could live without ever seeing the mall, but if you're bringing a wife or girlfriend and need to thank her for making the trip, don't rule them out. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on December 02, 2014, 06:36:31 PM
Still don't get the cheese wiz on a cheesesteak.  As far as a good cheesesteak, you can get one at most any pizza joint that also makes other fine foods.  The standards that have been mentioned are not the favorite of many who live in the area or have lived in the city.  The mom and pop joints chopped the steaks up and add fried onions and melted american cheese to it.  Add ketchup if you like it and bam, you have a fine cheesesteak.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 02, 2014, 07:10:13 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on December 02, 2014, 06:36:31 PM
Still don't get the cheese wiz on a cheesesteak.  As far as a good cheesesteak, you can get one at most any pizza joint that also makes other fine foods.  The standards that have been mentioned are not the favorite of many who live in the area or have lived in the city. The mom and pop joints chopped the steaks up and add fried onions and melted american cheese to it.  Add ketchup if you like it and bam, you have a fine cheesesteak.

Oh Wesleydad, but I beg to differ...

Sonny's and Jims should be on any Philadelphian's list...

Back in the old days, I would put Abner's on that list (out by the Penn campus), but not sure they are even there anymore...

But agree that you can get fine steaks at many a mom and pop place...try Claymont Steaks...they have grown over the years, but put out a great product...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 02, 2014, 07:48:12 PM
I ate at Abner's a couple years ago when I was at Penn for grad school.  Tony Luke's briefly opened a place in the same area and I prefer that one to the others that are usually mentioned in the same weight class -- Jim's, Pat's, Geno's, etc.

For those looking to stay closer to Widener, there's a place called Laspada's down the road from Chester. I like their steaks a lot.  Proximity to cheese steak places like that is one reason I bought the house I did. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerwu on December 02, 2014, 09:24:20 PM
formerWu back in the house.  I had to jump in on the cheesesteak topic.  LaSpada is great and it is close to Widener.  Great Hoagies as well.  BMan and I used to hit Abners back in the day, but it is not the same quality as it used to be.  The last few times I tried it, very disappointing.  Short distance away at the Harrah's Philadelphia (Chester) casino is a Tony Luke's.  I agree with the roast pork sandwich being good, but not so much on the cheesesteak.  My favorite steak is Jim's on South Street.

For all you OR fans coming in, Philly is one of the greatest food cities in the country.  No one has mentioned China Town yet (right next to Reading Terminal).  Plenty of good food.

I'll be at the game this Saturday.  I'm hoping for a close one.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bluenote on December 03, 2014, 12:01:43 AM
This has been a roller coaster year for the Linfield faithful. I think this next Quarterfinal Game vs Widener is a "trap game". BTW I had a Philly Cheese Steak Sandwich. Not bad!   ;D

....see NWC Board for further explanation.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: catjumper on December 03, 2014, 12:33:16 AM
Wish I could make the trip - I love Philadelphia. For any 'Cats lucky enough to be going this weekend, I'll add a "must-see": Franklin Field on the Penn campus, one of the nation's historic football venues. If the 'Catdome-style old-school character runs to your taste, you'll love Franklin Field - double-decked, 60,000-some seats and it looks like Ben Franklin built it his ownself. I saw Oregon State play Temple there a dozen or so years ago and that's one of the highlights of my football fandom. As a bonus, Franklin Field is right next to the Palestra, one of college basketball's legendary arena.

Have a cheesesteak for me - wit' -  and bring us back a win.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 03, 2014, 01:15:13 AM
Football and baseball starved LINFIELD fans do what I did last August, cruise Broad Street and see all the sports venues right there together. PLUS, see how people park in the middle of the left turn lanes!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bluenote on December 03, 2014, 01:53:23 AM
....I'm thinking I like pizza better?  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 03, 2014, 08:40:16 AM
Quote from: catjumper on December 03, 2014, 12:33:16 AM
Wish I could make the trip - I love Philadelphia. For any 'Cats lucky enough to be going this weekend, I'll add a "must-see": Franklin Field on the Penn campus, one of the nation's historic football venues. If the 'Catdome-style old-school character runs to your taste, you'll love Franklin Field - double-decked, 60,000-some seats and it looks like Ben Franklin built it his ownself. I saw Oregon State play Temple there a dozen or so years ago and that's one of the highlights of my football fandom. As a bonus, Franklin Field is right next to the Palestra, one of college basketball's legendary arena.

Have a cheesesteak for me - wit' -  and bring us back a win.

Isn't Franklin Field the spot where the infamous Santa Claus incident took place during an Eagles game??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 03, 2014, 09:00:53 AM
Yes, the Eagles played at Franklin Field for years. That incident took place in 1968 but there's more to the story than most know.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Philadelphia_Eagles_season
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 03, 2014, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: catjumper on December 03, 2014, 12:33:16 AM
Wish I could make the trip - I love Philadelphia. For any 'Cats lucky enough to be going this weekend, I'll add a "must-see": Franklin Field on the Penn campus, one of the nation's historic football venues. If the 'Catdome-style old-school character runs to your taste, you'll love Franklin Field - double-decked, 60,000-some seats and it looks like Ben Franklin built it his ownself. I saw Oregon State play Temple there a dozen or so years ago and that's one of the highlights of my football fandom. As a bonus, Franklin Field is right next to the Palestra, one of college basketball's legendary arena.

Have a cheesesteak for me - wit' -  and bring us back a win.

I ran in the Penn Relays there... fantastic experience. My whole family still goes back today and watches the penn relays when we can. Gordon is right there is a lot more to the santa claus story than most know and the lazy national media who doesn't want to work for anything new drudges up an almost 50 year old story and trots it out there..yeesh...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 03, 2014, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 03, 2014, 09:00:53 AM
Yes, the Eagles played at Franklin Field for years. That incident took place in 1968 but there's more to the story than most know.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Philadelphia_Eagles_season

Ahhh

He was a crappy Santa...he had it comin...:)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 03, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: formerwu on December 02, 2014, 09:24:20 PM
formerWu back in the house.  I had to jump in on the cheesesteak topic.  LaSpada is great and it is close to Widener.  Great Hoagies as well.  BMan and I used to hit Abners back in the day, but it is not the same quality as it used to be.  The last few times I tried it, very disappointing.  Short distance away at the Harrah's Philadelphia (Chester) casino is a Tony Luke's.  I agree with the roast pork sandwich being good, but not so much on the cheesesteak.  My favorite steak is Jim's on South Street.

For all you OR fans coming in, Philly is one of the greatest food cities in the country.  No one has mentioned China Town yet (right next to Reading Terminal).  Plenty of good food.

I'll be at the game this Saturday.  I'm hoping for a close one.

Formerwu making an appearance on the boards!  Welcome back!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on December 03, 2014, 12:57:29 PM
Headed out tomorrow. Anticipating a close and hard fought ballgame between two very good teams. Looking forward to checking out a great city as well.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on December 03, 2014, 01:20:17 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on December 03, 2014, 12:57:29 PM
Headed out tomorrow. Anticipating a close and hard fought ballgame between two very good teams. Looking forward to checking out a great city as well.

Safe trip to all Linfield fans.  I would love to meet you guys since Widener is only 10 mins from my house, but alas, I must show my allegiance and head to Dover to see Wesley play Hobart.  I hope that sometime in the near future I can make a trip to the Catdome or meet some of you in Dover.  Good luck this weekend.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on December 03, 2014, 02:13:35 PM
Sorry, we'll miss you wesleydad.  The Catdome is a great place for small college football.  Hope you can make it out someday.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: OldCatProf on December 03, 2014, 02:20:49 PM
Been looking at the satellite picture of Quick Stadium. "Heavens to Mergatroy"...there are no bleachers on the visitor sideline????  Gulp...you mean we will have to sit in enemy territory...among the HOMIES??? :o Do I need to wear a disguise? Maybe I better stop off at the Bookstore ahead of time and buy a Widener sweatshirt. ;D

Actually, am looking forward to the visit.
GO CATS !!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on December 03, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
Quote from: OldCatProf on December 03, 2014, 02:20:49 PM
Been looking at the satellite picture of Quick Stadium. "Heavens to Mergatroy"...there are no bleachers on the visitor sideline????  Gulp...you mean we will have to sit in enemy territory...among the HOMIES??? :o Do I need to wear a disguise? Maybe I better stop off at the Bookstore ahead of time and buy a Widener sweatshirt. ;D

Actually, am looking forward to the visit.
GO CATS !!!

Don't know what satellite picture you are looking at , but they do have bleachers on the visitors side, not as good as the home side. As far as a disguise, I don't think that is needed, unless you act out of character. As far as the HOMIES, wesleydad has been to that stadium a couple times and wears his hat and from what I can recall, never has to be in a disguise.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on December 03, 2014, 02:42:37 PM
I've been watching some of the Widener videos and am wondering why Widener and their opponents use short kickoffs so often....seems like a lot of drives starting with good field positions as a result.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on December 03, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on December 03, 2014, 02:42:37 PM
I've been watching some of the Widener videos and am wondering why Widener and their opponents us short kickoffs so often....seems like a lot of drives starting with good field positions as a result.....

I am hoping Linfield takes that opportunity/chance and kicks it deep, they would soon find out why many teams don't.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on December 03, 2014, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on December 03, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on December 03, 2014, 02:42:37 PM
I've been watching some of the Widener videos and am wondering why Widener and their opponents us short kickoffs so often....seems like a lot of drives starting with good field positions as a result.....

I am hoping Linfield takes that opportunity/chance and kicks it deep, they would soon find out why many teams don't.
Anthony Davis I assume...but still doesn't explain why Widener also seems to use a short kickoff...83 kickoffs and only 8 touch backs....(Linfield has 90 kickoffs with 19 touch backs by comparison)--which granted can have a lot to with who is returning but still seems like a lot of shorter kicks in the videos I've watched)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 03, 2014, 02:55:57 PM
A lot of the Del Val fans sat on the home side of the field  because a) the visitors stands are in the shadows (which maybe why you can't see them in the picture) and b) they are low to the ground. The Del Val fans seemed to be well behaved and I didn't hear too much protesting. 

I'll be down in Dover with Wesley Dad.  To all the Linfield fans, enjoy the trip.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on December 03, 2014, 03:04:26 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on December 03, 2014, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on December 03, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on December 03, 2014, 02:42:37 PM
I've been watching some of the Widener videos and am wondering why Widener and their opponents us short kickoffs so often....seems like a lot of drives starting with good field positions as a result.....

I am hoping Linfield takes that opportunity/chance and kicks it deep, they would soon find out why many teams don't.
Anthony Davis I assume...but still doesn't explain why Widener also seems to use a short kickoff...83 kickoffs and only 8 touch backs....(Linfield has 90 kickoffs with 19 touch backs by comparison)--which granted can have a lot to with who is returning but still seems like a lot of shorter kicks in the videos I've watched)

I not a fan of kicking it short, sometimes you can surprise a team here and there, but it usually gives the opponent a short field, which can hurt a the defense/team in the long run. Nevertheless it would behoove them not to give Linfield a short field.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 03, 2014, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 02, 2014, 05:36:07 PM
I'm not from Philadelphia originally, but have lived, worked and gone to grad school here for about a decade now. Three other places I love to show visitors:

* Reading Terminal: It's a foodmarket downtown with a variety of shops run by the Amish people (best chocolate milk around) and other local merchants.  Cheesesteaks are great, but Philadelphia has some other really good food that doesn't involve the words "wiz wit." :)

Reading Terminal is outstanding! I ate there a couple of times while I was in town for the lacrosse championships in '13... LOVED DiNic's... pretty cool market I walked around quite a bit (since the weather one day was anything but fun).

A lot of can't-miss places in Philly... including one of the oldest bar in the country - which I also frequented while I was there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 03, 2014, 04:51:37 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on December 03, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
Quote from: OldCatProf on December 03, 2014, 02:20:49 PM
Been looking at the satellite picture of Quick Stadium. "Heavens to Mergatroy"...there are no bleachers on the visitor sideline????  Gulp...you mean we will have to sit in enemy territory...among the HOMIES??? :o Do I need to wear a disguise? Maybe I better stop off at the Bookstore ahead of time and buy a Widener sweatshirt. ;D

Actually, am looking forward to the visit.
GO CATS !!!

Don't know what satellite picture you are looking at , but they do have bleachers on the visitors side, not as good as the home side. As far as a disguise, I don't think that is needed, unless you act out of character. As far as the HOMIES, wesleydad has been to that stadium a couple times and wears his hat and from what I can recall, never has to be in a disguise.

There never seem to be large traveling contingents in the MAC, so no real need for larger stands...
I doubt there would be any issues regardless of the outcome of the game, but there have been issues in the past.  Pat, Dave and Keith have seen that firsthand unfortunately.  Hopefully those folks are long gone.  I personally have never seen any issues...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 03, 2014, 04:54:02 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on December 03, 2014, 02:42:37 PM
I've been watching some of the Widener videos and am wondering why Widener and their opponents use short kickoffs so often....seems like a lot of drives starting with good field positions as a result.....

No one ever kicks it to Anthony Davis, as he is a threat when he gets the ball.

As far as Widener's kick offs....
Let's just say the kicking game has room for improvement... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Andy Jamison - Walla Walla Wildcat on December 03, 2014, 05:08:06 PM
Echoing the comments about the kicking short ... I'm curious what Linfield will do on kick-offs.  Will we kick deep to AD or keep the ball away from him by kicking short... I don't like the idea of giving Widener the ball at the 35 each time BUT I dislike the idea of him taking a kick-off to the house even more.  The risk/reward would seem to lean in the direction of kicking short and or using directional kicking to either try to pin the return to one side and run the risk of having the kick go out of bounds. 

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on December 03, 2014, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: Walla Walla Wildcat on December 03, 2014, 05:08:06 PM
Echoing the comments about the kicking short ... I'm curious what Linfield will do on kick-offs.  Will we kick deep to AD or keep the ball away from him by kicking short... I don't like the idea of giving Widener the ball at the 35 each time BUT I dislike the idea of him taking a kick-off to the house even more.  The risk/reward would seem to lean in the direction of kicking short and or using directional kicking to either try to pin the return to one side and run the risk of having the kick go out of bounds.
i suspect wind and weather will have the biggest impact--oir guy can blast it deep if the weather is not against him so if a returner wants to bring it out I like our coverage team to pin him deep
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on December 03, 2014, 06:28:57 PM
Hey boys, 
The little vw bus (aka CATMOBILE) with
DC1 and Willie made it all the way to Charles town /  Harpers Ferry ,Va. 8-)  today.... What a neat place John Brown and his boys picked to start a  big war.. :o ??? Cold and wet most of the day , sunny tomorrow  with 45% rain showers on Sat.  ...

Heading into the big City tomorrow ( Philly) if all goes well on I-95... ;D

Coach Hazes  and his special teams will find a way to kick it deep i'll bet. :P

Go CATS
Go BIG D




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on December 03, 2014, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 03, 2014, 02:55:57 PM
A lot of the Del Val fans sat on the home side of the field  because a) the visitors stands are in the shadows (which maybe why you can't see them in the picture) and b) they are low to the ground. The Del Val fans seemed to be well behaved and I didn't hear too much protesting. 

I'll be down in Dover with Wesley Dad.  To all the Linfield fans, enjoy the trip.

Gordon, are you doing work for D3 this week?  If you are in the box I will stop by.  Not liking the prospects of rains showers all day.

As far as Widener, the home stands are large enough that there is plenty of room for all that attend.  As Gordon stated, the visitor stands are low and only about 5 rows high.  Sit in the home stands and have a ball.  If you don't turn into a butthead there won't be any issues.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on December 03, 2014, 08:24:38 PM
DC 1 be sure and pick up the delivery of salt for our Salty D. 

Hope you and the twins are having a great trip to the round of 8.

I have the Cats at a +17 all day long on this one.  Got some insider information that is pretty interesting.  Its always good to be able to save something special for the 3rd round.

Round one I picked a +28 and it was 31, missed it in a good way.
Round two I had our boys at a +3 , nailed it

Phone it in, its in the bank boys

GHC out !!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: OldCatProf on December 04, 2014, 11:06:31 AM
Will the Widener/Linfield game be streamed? I'm trying to set up my laptop for my wife to watch the game at home (in Arizona) but can't find anything about it on the Widener athletics website.

There's a link on the Linfield website, but they require you to register and sign in to use it. Most schools don't do that and I object to the practice...I prefer not to use the Linfield link.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on December 04, 2014, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: OldCatProf on December 04, 2014, 11:06:31 AM
Will the Widener/Linfield game be streamed? I'm trying to set up my laptop for my wife to watch the game at home (in Arizona) but can't find anything about it on the Widener athletics website.

There's a link on the Linfield website, but they require you to register and sign in to use it. Most schools don't do that and I object to the practice...I prefer not to use the Linfield link.
The link on the Linfield site goes to the Widener site (which can be found on the football schedule page)----if you want to use it you need to provide email and create a password or login via facebook....on game day the link to the live cast will be there---for now you can enjoy watching Widener's past games if you login.....I have a "junk" email account that I use for these types of things....might consider creating one (google or yahoo or some other source of a free email address).....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 04, 2014, 12:06:11 PM
Quote



Quote from: OldCatProf on Today at 11:06:31 am

Will the Widener/Linfield game be streamed? I'm trying to set up my laptop for my wife to watch the game at home (in Arizona) but can't find anything about it on the Widener athletics website.

There's a link on the Linfield website, but they require you to register and sign in to use it. Most schools don't do that and I object to the practice...I prefer not to use the Linfield link.



The link on the Linfield site goes to the Widener site (which can be found on the football schedule page)----if you want to use it you need to provide email and create a password or login via facebook....on game day the link to the live cast will be there---for now you can enjoy watching Widener's past games if you login.....I have a "junk" email account that I use for these types of things....might consider creating one (google or yahoo or some other source of a free email address).....




Using a trick from the MIAC / LL pages let's move this MAC site along.

All's I know if my wife had a ticket to Philly and a motel room waiting for me when I just returned from Belton I would have hired a techie to be there Saturday morning at 8 am.
My wife works for the FDA in Silver Spring MD and she wouldn't even entertain the idea of me flying back and going to a football game while she goes to work.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 04, 2014, 03:33:40 PM
Quote from: OldCatProf on December 04, 2014, 11:06:31 AM
Will the Widener/Linfield game be streamed? I'm trying to set up my laptop for my wife to watch the game at home (in Arizona) but can't find anything about it on the Widener athletics website.

There's a link on the Linfield website, but they require you to register and sign in to use it. Most schools don't do that and I object to the practice...I prefer not to use the Linfield link.

https://new.livestream.com/accounts/9863050

..and it works in the parking lot if you never make it out of the tailgate!... ::)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 04, 2014, 08:21:20 PM
Wesleydad:

Yeah, I'm calling the game for D3/Wesley. We often work together this time of year. Guess I'll dress warmly for the roof.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on December 04, 2014, 09:48:52 PM
Made it into Philly. 1st thing that happened is that I got into a debate with our rental car shuttle driver about the Eagles and how the Cowboys suck as he was laying on the horn. Made me feel fully welcomed to the East Coast.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 04, 2014, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on December 04, 2014, 09:48:52 PM
Made it into Philly. 1st thing that happened is that I got into a debate with our rental car shuttle driver about the Eagles and how the Cowboys suck as he was laying on the horn. Made me feel fully welcomed to the East Coast.
We only root for 2 teams...The Eagles, and whoever is playing the Cowboys ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bluenote on December 05, 2014, 01:16:31 AM
Quote from: wildcat11 on December 04, 2014, 09:48:52 PM
Made it into Philly. 1st thing that happened is that I got into a debate with our rental car shuttle driver about the Eagles and how the Cowboys suck as he was laying on the horn. Made me feel fully welcomed to the East Coast.

...+K LOL! Did you get a Philly Cheese Steak yet? .... sorry I digress.....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on December 05, 2014, 09:51:02 AM
Hi Godon!  Will definitely miss your call of the Aggie Men's b'ball game Saturday afternoon (we'll be at the women's game), but any college football team playing into December deserves to have you doing the announcing!  Have fun!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 05, 2014, 11:10:02 AM
Thanks, Kate.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on December 05, 2014, 11:59:35 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 04, 2014, 08:21:20 PM
Wesleydad:

Yeah, I'm calling the game for D3/Wesley. We often work together this time of year. Guess I'll dress warmly for the roof.

Gordon - has the link for your and Frank's broadcast been set up? Looks like it's going via YouTube?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2014, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on December 05, 2014, 11:59:35 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 04, 2014, 08:21:20 PM
Wesleydad:

Yeah, I'm calling the game for D3/Wesley. We often work together this time of year. Guess I'll dress warmly for the roof.

Gordon - has the link for your and Frank's broadcast been set up? Looks like it's going via YouTube?

Yes, the link that you see on our site and on Wesley's site is the actual link.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on December 05, 2014, 02:10:56 PM
Thx Pat
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 05, 2014, 06:52:30 PM
YouTube is good :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: George Thompson on December 05, 2014, 11:28:06 PM
Would a Widener fan help me?   I can't figure out how to log on to the video of the game tomorrow?

https://new.livestream.com/accounts/9863050

Where or how do I sign up???

Thank you for your help.

George
A Linfield fan
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 05, 2014, 11:58:31 PM
Upper right-hand corner there is a Login link.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 06, 2014, 07:13:53 AM
I happen to be at home (Wyomissing, PA) this weekend as my alma mater (high school) is playing in the state semifinals today.  As I read the morning paper - the Reading Eagle - there is a very nice article about Widener quarterback Seth Klein, an alum of nearby Wilson (West Lawn) - which has produced a few notable quarterbacks over the years (Kerry Collins, Shane Stafford, and Chad Henne, to name a few). 

The Reading Eagle usually runs just token box-scores and capsules of local Division III schools - the MAC, Centennial Conference, and some NJAC scores usually make their way into the Eagle - but they have two very good high school sportswriters who will occasionally write a nice profile-type article if a Berks County product is having a noteworthy season or career (including yours truly in 2006 thanks to Carnegie Mellon's big season that year).

Just giving a shout-out to the Reading Eagle for the D3 acknowledgement and coverage, and a nod to Berks County product Seth Klein leading Widener into a huge game for the program.  Good luck to the Pride!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 06, 2014, 07:21:13 AM
Quote from: George Thompson on December 05, 2014, 11:28:06 PM
Would a Widener fan help me?   I can't figure out how to log on to the video of the game tomorrow?

https://new.livestream.com/accounts/9863050

Where or how do I sign up???

Thank you for your help.

George
A Linfield fan

The other thing to note is that once the game is about to begin, live stream will sen you an email, which you can click on to start the broadcast...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 06, 2014, 10:01:21 AM
Change of hat plans today...

Normally I go with my Nebraska hat...due to a circumstance beyond my control...(my wife chucked it...), I will be sporting an orange(ish) Taylormade gold cap...and will have 2 boys in tow.

Please don't hesitate to pop by and introduce yourself...or call out if you see me...

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MacQuiz on December 06, 2014, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: bman on December 06, 2014, 10:01:21 AM
Change of hat plans today...

Normally I go with my Nebraska hat...due to a circumstance beyond my control...(my wife chucked it...), I will be sporting an orange(ish) Taylormade gold cap...and will have 2 boys in tow.

Please don't hesitate to pop by and introduce yourself...or call out if you see me...

She disagreed with the Mike Riley hire???
;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: George Thompson on December 06, 2014, 10:51:37 AM
Pat and bman,

Thank you.   I am now signed up.   Anxious for the game to start.    Hopefully Linfield will play as well as Oregon did last night.   I expect Widener will be a much tougher opponent, though.


George
A Linfield fan
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 06, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 06, 2014, 07:13:53 AM
I happen to be at home (Wyomissing, PA) this weekend as my alma mater (high school) is playing in the state semifinals today.  As I read the morning paper - the Reading Eagle - there is a very nice article about Widener quarterback Seth Klein, an alum of nearby Wilson (West Lawn) - which has produced a few notable quarterbacks over the years (Kerry Collins, Shane Stafford, and Chad Henne, to name a few). 

The Reading Eagle usually runs just token box-scores and capsules of local Division III schools - the MAC, Centennial Conference, and some NJAC scores usually make their way into the Eagle - but they have two very good high school sportswriters who will occasionally write a nice profile-type article if a Berks County product is having a noteworthy season or career (including yours truly in 2006 thanks to Carnegie Mellon's big season that year).

Just giving a shout-out to the Reading Eagle for the D3 acknowledgement and coverage, and a nod to Berks County product Seth Klein leading Widener into a huge game for the program.  Good luck to the Pride!

Tartan - Is your high school either AAAA or AAA by chance? The Philly area teams in both classes, St. Joe Prep (AAAA) and Archbishop Wood (AAA) are ridiculously good..................and I hope that someone knocks them off of their high horse. Maybe your school can knock one of them out..................unless AA or A.

The PIAA allowing these private school recruiting machines to take part in state playoffs is a joke..................and this coming from a CB West grad, from back in the days when we tore up the state ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MasterJedi on December 06, 2014, 11:03:38 AM
Good luck to Widener today, it'll be a monumental task today but I hope your team can pull it off!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on December 06, 2014, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 06, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 06, 2014, 07:13:53 AM
I happen to be at home (Wyomissing, PA) this weekend as my alma mater (high school) is playing in the state semifinals today.  As I read the morning paper - the Reading Eagle - there is a very nice article about Widener quarterback Seth Klein, an alum of nearby Wilson (West Lawn) - which has produced a few notable quarterbacks over the years (Kerry Collins, Shane Stafford, and Chad Henne, to name a few). 

The Reading Eagle usually runs just token box-scores and capsules of local Division III schools - the MAC, Centennial Conference, and some NJAC scores usually make their way into the Eagle - but they have two very good high school sportswriters who will occasionally write a nice profile-type article if a Berks County product is having a noteworthy season or career (including yours truly in 2006 thanks to Carnegie Mellon's big season that year).

Just giving a shout-out to the Reading Eagle for the D3 acknowledgement and coverage, and a nod to Berks County product Seth Klein leading Widener into a huge game for the program.  Good luck to the Pride!

Tartan - Is your high school either AAAA or AAA by chance? The Philly area teams in both classes, St. Joe Prep (AAAA) and Archbishop Wood (AAA) are ridiculously good..................and I hope that someone knocks them off of their high horse. Maybe your school can knock one of them out..................unless AA or A.

The PIAA allowing these private school recruiting machines to take part in state playoffs is a joke..................and this coming from a CB West grad, from back in the days when we tore up the state ;)

You're a CB West grad from that era?  I was a kid during the big CB West powerhouse days and remember watching their teams in the AAAA title games.  I thought Dustin Picciotti was going to play in the NFL.

My school (Wyomissing) is AA.  Traditional "regional" power that has climbed up the state ladder recently.  Won a few District 3 titles in class A (89, 90, 93) and then some AA titles (2000, 2001, 2003) before making our first real serious run at a state title (2006, lost in the state semifinals) and finally breaking through in 2012 for the first state title.  Back to the semis again this year.  Pretty cool stuff - the 2001 and 2003 teams (my soph and senior year, respectively) felt like the start of a real uptick that has finally brought us to the top of the heap - and all of the aforementioned titles have come under the same head coach and with many of the same staff members, which is why I'm still so supportive of the program.

I still follow all classifications.  Our neighboring school district, Wilson, is in the AAAA semis in the other side of the bracket against Pine Richland today.  If they win, I'd be pulling for them against SJP, but I don't think they have the horses.  SJP and ABW are much better than the teams they're playing today and both will likely win handily. 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 06, 2014, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 06, 2014, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 06, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on December 06, 2014, 07:13:53 AM
I happen to be at home (Wyomissing, PA) this weekend as my alma mater (high school) is playing in the state semifinals today.  As I read the morning paper - the Reading Eagle - there is a very nice article about Widener quarterback Seth Klein, an alum of nearby Wilson (West Lawn) - which has produced a few notable quarterbacks over the years (Kerry Collins, Shane Stafford, and Chad Henne, to name a few). 

The Reading Eagle usually runs just token box-scores and capsules of local Division III schools - the MAC, Centennial Conference, and some NJAC scores usually make their way into the Eagle - but they have two very good high school sportswriters who will occasionally write a nice profile-type article if a Berks County product is having a noteworthy season or career (including yours truly in 2006 thanks to Carnegie Mellon's big season that year).

Just giving a shout-out to the Reading Eagle for the D3 acknowledgement and coverage, and a nod to Berks County product Seth Klein leading Widener into a huge game for the program.  Good luck to the Pride!

Tartan - Is your high school either AAAA or AAA by chance? The Philly area teams in both classes, St. Joe Prep (AAAA) and Archbishop Wood (AAA) are ridiculously good..................and I hope that someone knocks them off of their high horse. Maybe your school can knock one of them out..................unless AA or A.

The PIAA allowing these private school recruiting machines to take part in state playoffs is a joke..................and this coming from a CB West grad, from back in the days when we tore up the state ;)

You're a CB West grad from that era?  I was a kid during the big CB West powerhouse days and remember watching their teams in the AAAA title games.  I thought Dustin Picciotti was going to play in the NFL.

My school (Wyomissing) is AA.  Traditional "regional" power that has climbed up the state ladder recently.  Won a few District 3 titles in class A (89, 90, 93) and then some AA titles (2000, 2001, 2003) before making our first real serious run at a state title (2006, lost in the state semifinals) and finally breaking through in 2012 for the first state title.  Back to the semis again this year.  Pretty cool stuff - the 2001 and 2003 teams (my soph and senior year, respectively) felt like the start of a real uptick that has finally brought us to the top of the heap - and all of the aforementioned titles have come under the same head coach and with many of the same staff members, which is why I'm still so supportive of the program.

I still follow all classifications.  Our neighboring school district, Wilson, is in the AAAA semis in the other side of the bracket against Pine Richland today.  If they win, I'd be pulling for them against SJP, but I don't think they have the horses.  SJP and ABW are much better than the teams they're playing today and both will likely win handily.

Tartan - I'm on my way out the door to see the St. Joe Prep vs. Pennsbury AAAA game. I'll check in later. Have a great day!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on December 06, 2014, 01:34:30 PM
Linfield is making everyone one-on-one play and Widener quarterback is not making good decisions, but the running game looks good as well as overall defense. I guess Linfield is use to the weather, because Widener is letting it effect them tremendously.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on December 06, 2014, 02:15:28 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on December 03, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on December 03, 2014, 02:42:37 PM
I've been watching some of the Widener videos and am wondering why Widener and their opponents us short kickoffs so often....seems like a lot of drives starting with good field positions as a result.....

I am hoping Linfield takes that opportunity/chance and kicks it deep, they would soon find out why many teams don't.
well at least you got your wish on this one thing....
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on December 06, 2014, 02:43:34 PM
Congrats to Widener and their fans on a good season----your defensive front was awesome--made me nervous for a good part of the game.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 06, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
Me too.
Widener looks like the kind of team we would like a home and home series with. Everybody would win with SOS.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bluenote on December 06, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
Excellent season Widener. I saw a lot of talent on the field...I'm sure you guys will be right in the thick of things next season. Thanks for the tips on the Philly Cheesesteaks also!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on December 07, 2014, 08:02:51 AM
YO  ADRIAN
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 07, 2014, 08:49:03 AM
Have to say it was a long day yesterday....

Scrambled to get to the game after a family commitment, and then a long waterlogged ride home.   Didn't get on the board until last evening, and must say that I was disappointed with the BS and venom spouted on the "purple" board....I was inclined to respond...but then thought better of it...
Played with the kids, put some ornaments on the tree, and put some things into perspective...

First.  I want to thank the Pioneers(oops Pride...I really did just type Pioneers first) for a wonderful season.   Again, this was a team that NO ONE expected anything out of...Ranked initially 40th and 3rd in the MAC...and they came to play!  I can't be more proud of these kids...despite the outcome yesterday.  They exceeded our expectations...

I was also pleased with the game yesterday for another reason...Despite the outcome, and despite the nonsense (especially in the headlines ...and what is being posted elsewhere), this team is not far off...The game simply got away from them...Despite what the Linfield posters are spouting, this team was competitive except in a few facets of the game...
1.  The secondary...a point of concern all year.  This was a big difference in the game.  You can spout statistics all you want, but WU stuffed the Linfield running game.  I And were equal on the line of scrimmage.  I can't count the 3rd and 9, 10, 11, 12 etc. that Linfield converted...The secondary is a big point of upgrade if we want to be competitive...  Linfield's safety valve all game was to simply throw a comeback pattern along the sidelines just past the sticks, or just chuck it deep to a receiver on 1 on 1 coverage...  Their receiver #9 killed us, until he got hurt.
2. Speed of game.  It was clear that the WU offense had great difficulty playing faster.  The Linfield D, was quick, and was able to recover more quickly than the QB and receivers were used to...
Don't get me wrong, there were receivers open, and plays that were there, but they were unable to make them...so as odd as it seems given their record, being competitive at this next level means an upgrade a couple key positions....
3. play calling...was a bit ...odd, which will need to improve....Davis...targeted 3 times...typically he saw 1 on 1 with safety help over the top...nothing he hasn't seen all year.   he dominated in the MU game 2 years ago (which as a secondary was Waaay better than what he saw yesterday)...but they never really went to him.   Was surprised that they just didn't go to him, and let him make a play.  Also, there were lots of way to exploit the 2 deep, but they seems to stick to the same plays...little adjustments...it seems that they just seemed to be determined to stick to a game plan regardless...

In any case, the sad thing is that the score will simply result in everyone (and it's already happening) stating that the East is weak, Blah Blah Blah, and in this case the score won't indicate how close WU is....no sense in arguing that anymore...it's tired...

Lastly, I was disappointed in Coach Kelly for calling out Chip Kelly, in the manner that he did...it brought a negative light to the team...now the media has spread this, and are positioning the quote as if he was stating that Chip Kelly assisted Linfield in preparing....which is BS, but is what EVERYONE will grab on to...

I understand Chip in helping out a team that he has ties to, and really it was the right thing to do, however, he clearly doesn't understand Philadelphia yet...
Philly is a blue collar town...hardscrabble...as Philadelphians all we ask are teams/players/coaches to do two things...
1. Put in a real effort... and
2.  Don't be disrespectful to the folks that put money in your pocket... Chip (or the Eagles) should have made a simple phone call to WU to let them know they were helping out, and to perhaps wish the local team well as well...
Clearly Chip had no idea how this would be perceived locally (bad), and, while he "says" he wants to be part of this city, has no clue what that means...I kind of compare this to when the Sixers were in the finals and Destiny's Child performed at the half in Laker's gear, and got booed off the stage...and they were clueless why....
The answer there, as is here...is that it was disrespectful to the locals...

Back to football...
Closing the season, next week's Linfield/Whitewater game, will show 1 of 2 things...Either Linfield is competitive, and in which then we know where WU (and by default DVC and Lyco) are, OR they get smoked, in which then we know that we all (the MAC and by default the East) have a lot of work to do...
Given what I saw yesterday, I'd be surprised if Linfield can win next week...


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on December 07, 2014, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: bman on December 07, 2014, 08:49:03 AM
Have to say it was a long day yesterday....

Scrambled to get to the game after a family commitment, and then a long waterlogged ride home.   Didn't get on the board until last evening, and must say that I was disappointed with the BS and venom spouted on the "purple" board....I was inclined to respond...but then thought better of it...
Played with the kids, put some ornaments on the tree, and put some things into perspective...

First.  I want to thank the Pioneers(oops Pride...I really did just type Pioneers first) for a wonderful season.   Again, this was a team that NO ONE expected anything out of...Ranked initially 40th and 3rd in the MAC...and they came to play!  I can't be more proud of these kids...despite the outcome yesterday.  They exceeded our expectations...

I was also pleased with the game yesterday for another reason...Despite the outcome, and despite the nonsense (especially in the headlines ...and what is being posted elsewhere), this team is not far off...The game simply got away from them...Despite what the Linfield posters are spouting, this team was competitive except in a few facets of the game...
1.  The secondary...a point of concern all year.  This was a big difference in the game.  You can spout statistics all you want, but WU stuffed the Linfield running game.  I And were equal on the line of scrimmage.  I can't count the 3rd and 9, 10, 11, 12 etc. that Linfield converted...The secondary is a big point of upgrade if we want to be competitive...  Linfield's safety valve all game was to simply throw a comeback pattern along the sidelines just past the sticks, or just chuck it deep to a receiver on 1 on 1 coverage...  Their receiver #9 killed us, until he got hurt.
2. Speed of game.  It was clear that the WU offense had great difficulty playing faster.  The Linfield D, was quick, and was able to recover more quickly than the QB and receivers were used to...
Don't get me wrong, there were receivers open, and plays that were there, but they were unable to make them...so as odd as it seems given their record, being competitive at this next level means an upgrade a couple key positions....
3. play calling...was a bit ...odd, which will need to improve....Davis...targeted 3 times...typically he saw 1 on 1 with safety help over the top...nothing he hasn't seen all year.   he dominated in the MU game 2 years ago (which as a secondary was Waaay better than what he saw yesterday)...but they never really went to him.   Was surprised that they just didn't go to him, and let him make a play.  Also, there were lots of way to exploit the 2 deep, but they seems to stick to the same plays...little adjustments...it seems that they just seemed to be determined to stick to a game plan regardless...

In any case, the sad thing is that the score will simply result in everyone (and it's already happening) stating that the East is weak, Blah Blah Blah, and in this case the score won't indicate how close WU is....no sense in arguing that anymore...it's tired...

Lastly, I was disappointed in Coach Kelly for calling out Chip Kelly, in the manner that he did...it brought a negative light to the team...now the media has spread this, and are positioning the quote as if he was stating that Chip Kelly assisted Linfield in preparing....which is BS, but is what EVERYONE will grab on to...

I understand Chip in helping out a team that he has ties to, and really it was the right thing to do, however, he clearly doesn't understand Philadelphia yet...
Philly is a blue collar town...hardscrabble...as Philadelphians all we ask are teams/players/coaches to do two things...
1. Put in a real effort... and
2.  Don't be disrespectful to the folks that put money in your pocket... Chip (or the Eagles) should have made a simple phone call to WU to let them know they were helping out, and to perhaps wish the local team well as well...
Clearly Chip had no idea how this would be perceived locally (bad), and, while he "says" he wants to be part of this city, has no clue what that means...I kind of compare this to when the Sixers were in the finals and Destiny's Child performed at the half in Laker's gear, and got booed off the stage...and they were clueless why....
The answer there, as is here...is that it was disrespectful to the locals...

Back to football...
Closing the season, next week's Linfield/Whitewater game, will show 1 of 2 things...Either Linfield is competitive, and in which then we know where WU (and by default DVC and Lyco) are, OR they get smoked, in which then we know that we all (the MAC and by default the East) have a lot of work to do...
Given what I saw yesterday, I'd be surprised if Linfield can win next week...
I can only assume the "venom" you are talking about is the response to the "Chip Kelly" stuff.....I went back and looked at our in game posts and saw nothing but positive comments about the way the Pride played.  I for one commented on how tough the defensive front was and how elusive the QB was.  That being said, the commentary in response to the Chip Kelly comment was really not directed at the effort or quality of the team (IMO) but was certainly taken as disrespect do our team as (I think you stated) it suggested that Chip Kelly was the reason Linfield won and not because they were the better team.  I do see that Widener's coach tweeted a clarification later on but when a coach makes a bone-headed comment like that the reaction it received is inevitable.  All that being said--I agree with you that Widener was more competitive than the score suggested.  They had a heck of a defensive front and actually the coverage by the DBs was pretty good on most play but our guys just outfought them for the ball on several plays.  The offense for Widener never got moving and the turnovers early on dug a hole that they couldn't get out of.  Anyway--I was impressed with Wideners team despite the score/stats.  Next week will be a battle for the Cats as it is every time we face Whitewater---I for one hope we can get the Monkey (Warhawks) off our back!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 07, 2014, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: MonroviaCat on December 07, 2014, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: bman on December 07, 2014, 08:49:03 AM
Have to say it was a long day yesterday....

Scrambled to get to the game after a family commitment, and then a long waterlogged ride home.   Didn't get on the board until last evening, and must say that I was disappointed with the BS and venom spouted on the "purple" board....I was inclined to respond...but then thought better of it...
Played with the kids, put some ornaments on the tree, and put some things into perspective...

First.  I want to thank the Pioneers(oops Pride...I really did just type Pioneers first) for a wonderful season.   Again, this was a team that NO ONE expected anything out of...Ranked initially 40th and 3rd in the MAC...and they came to play!  I can't be more proud of these kids...despite the outcome yesterday.  They exceeded our expectations...

I was also pleased with the game yesterday for another reason...Despite the outcome, and despite the nonsense (especially in the headlines ...and what is being posted elsewhere), this team is not far off...The game simply got away from them...Despite what the Linfield posters are spouting, this team was competitive except in a few facets of the game...
1.  The secondary...a point of concern all year.  This was a big difference in the game.  You can spout statistics all you want, but WU stuffed the Linfield running game.  I And were equal on the line of scrimmage.  I can't count the 3rd and 9, 10, 11, 12 etc. that Linfield converted...The secondary is a big point of upgrade if we want to be competitive...  Linfield's safety valve all game was to simply throw a comeback pattern along the sidelines just past the sticks, or just chuck it deep to a receiver on 1 on 1 coverage...  Their receiver #9 killed us, until he got hurt.
2. Speed of game.  It was clear that the WU offense had great difficulty playing faster.  The Linfield D, was quick, and was able to recover more quickly than the QB and receivers were used to...
Don't get me wrong, there were receivers open, and plays that were there, but they were unable to make them...so as odd as it seems given their record, being competitive at this next level means an upgrade a couple key positions....
3. play calling...was a bit ...odd, which will need to improve....Davis...targeted 3 times...typically he saw 1 on 1 with safety help over the top...nothing he hasn't seen all year.   he dominated in the MU game 2 years ago (which as a secondary was Waaay better than what he saw yesterday)...but they never really went to him.   Was surprised that they just didn't go to him, and let him make a play.  Also, there were lots of way to exploit the 2 deep, but they seems to stick to the same plays...little adjustments...it seems that they just seemed to be determined to stick to a game plan regardless...

In any case, the sad thing is that the score will simply result in everyone (and it's already happening) stating that the East is weak, Blah Blah Blah, and in this case the score won't indicate how close WU is....no sense in arguing that anymore...it's tired...

Lastly, I was disappointed in Coach Kelly for calling out Chip Kelly, in the manner that he did...it brought a negative light to the team...now the media has spread this, and are positioning the quote as if he was stating that Chip Kelly assisted Linfield in preparing....which is BS, but is what EVERYONE will grab on to...

I understand Chip in helping out a team that he has ties to, and really it was the right thing to do, however, he clearly doesn't understand Philadelphia yet...
Philly is a blue collar town...hardscrabble...as Philadelphians all we ask are teams/players/coaches to do two things...
1. Put in a real effort... and
2.  Don't be disrespectful to the folks that put money in your pocket... Chip (or the Eagles) should have made a simple phone call to WU to let them know they were helping out, and to perhaps wish the local team well as well...
Clearly Chip had no idea how this would be perceived locally (bad), and, while he "says" he wants to be part of this city, has no clue what that means...I kind of compare this to when the Sixers were in the finals and Destiny's Child performed at the half in Laker's gear, and got booed off the stage...and they were clueless why....
The answer there, as is here...is that it was disrespectful to the locals...

Back to football...
Closing the season, next week's Linfield/Whitewater game, will show 1 of 2 things...Either Linfield is competitive, and in which then we know where WU (and by default DVC and Lyco) are, OR they get smoked, in which then we know that we all (the MAC and by default the East) have a lot of work to do...
Given what I saw yesterday, I'd be surprised if Linfield can win next week...
I can only assume the "venom" you are talking about is the response to the "Chip Kelly" stuff.....I went back and looked at our in game posts and saw nothing but positive comments about the way the Pride played.  I for one commented on how tough the defensive front was and how elusive the QB was.  That being said, the commentary in response to the Chip Kelly comment was really not directed at the effort or quality of the team (IMO) but was certainly taken as disrespect do our team as (I think you stated) it suggested that Chip Kelly was the reason Linfield won and not because they were the better team.  I do see that Widener's coach tweeted a clarification later on but when a coach makes a bone-headed comment like that the reaction it received is inevitable.  All that being said--I agree with you that Widener was more competitive than the score suggested.  They had a heck of a defensive front and actually the coverage by the DBs was pretty good on most play but our guys just outfought them for the ball on several plays.  The offense for Widener never got moving and the turnovers early on dug a hole that they couldn't get out of.  Anyway--I was impressed with Wideners team despite the score/stats.  Next week will be a battle for the Cats as it is every time we face Whitewater---I for one hope we can get the Monkey (Warhawks) off our back!
MonroviaCat

Understood, and the core posters (for the most part) certainly weren't disrespectful, but when you look at the tenor of the board, and see terms such as:
"That is funny MC. So the Pride's coach had an excuse the boys in the booth didn't use? Im sure they would have had they known. Kind of sad to be honest, what did he think? Chip slipped Coach Smith the master game plan of the pride?
or
Great game today Cats. Total domination on both sides of the ball."
or
"but to bring it up publicly with anger after totally getting drilled??? "
or
"Outside of the east region its been thought of as pretty weak for years now."  followed by "Then there could/should be a new formula where they don't get home games consistently. Just sayin'."
or my favorite...
"What a loser of a coach, he must be buddies with Ben McEnroe. Sorry coach, you just ran into the Linfield buzzsaw. and Just a reminder that the east region is overrated."
Was disappointed that D.O.C. who has been nice all week, mocked our Video/Radio crew...who BTW get little support from the University...
"And more homer announcers."...

Maybe I was just oversensitive last night...

In any case, I do hope Linfield does well (read into it wins) against UWW.  In a weird sense, their success, kind of validates WU's season...Personally, I don't have a real good feeling about it, comparing 2012's loss to MU, to this one...but understand they all are completely different teams.  Would also note that it would be great for the Linfield family to win for Parker Moore and his family.  That's really helpful for the healing process...

Also as a last note, was able to meet Wildcat 11 yesterday.  He took 5 minutes out from his filming duties to talk football, the team, and Philly.  Class guy, and represents your program in the best manner.  I know you are all proud to have him associated with the program, and he does a great job...although It will be too painful to watch the highlights he produces for this game... :-\




Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on December 07, 2014, 12:01:35 PM
ExTartan


You're a CB West grad from that era?  I was a kid during the big CB West powerhouse days and remember watching their teams in the AAAA title games.  I thought Dustin Picciotti was going to play in the NFL.

He went to Pitt but concussed out before he ever stepped on  the field for a game
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MonroviaCat on December 07, 2014, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: bman on December 07, 2014, 11:33:40 AM
Monroviacat

Understood, and the core posters (for the most part) certainly weren't disrespectful, but when you look at the tenor of the board, and see terms such as:
"That is funny MC. So the Pride's coach had an excuse the boys in the booth didn't use? Im sure they would have had they known. Kind of sad to be honest, what did he think? Chip slipped Coach Smith the master game plan of the pride?
or
Great game today Cats. Total domination on both sides of the ball."
or
"but to bring it up publicly with anger after totally getting drilled??? "
or
"Outside of the east region its been thought of as pretty weak for years now."  followed by "Then there could/should be a new formula where they don't get home games consistently. Just sayin'."
or my favorite...
"What a loser of a coach, he must be buddies with Ben McEnroe. Sorry coach, you just ran into the Linfield buzzsaw. and Just a reminder that the east region is overrated."
Was disappointed that D.O.C. who has been nice all week, mocked our Video/Radio crew...who BTW get little support from the University...
"And more homer announcers."...

Maybe I was just oversensitive last night...

In any case, I do hope Linfield does well (read into it wins) against UWW.  In a weird sense, their success, kind of validates WU's season...Personally, I don't have a real good feeling about it, comparing 2012's loss to MU, to this one...but understand they all are completely different teams.  Would also note that it would be great for the Linfield family to win for Parker Moore and his family.  That's really helpful for the healing process...

Also as a last note, was able to meet Wildcat 11 yesterday.  He took 5 minutes out from his filming duties to talk football, the team, and Philly.  Class guy, and represents your program in the best manner.  I know you are all proud to have him associated with the program, and he does a great job...although It will be too painful to watch the highlights he produces for this game... :-\

Fair enough---in defense of DOC, he complains about all the announcers, including our own (which I'm very guilty of) on occasion.  I actually thought the Widener guys were too hard on their own team yesterday and didn't give enough credit to Linfield in some cases----they complained a lot about not getting the ball to Davis.  Having only the videocast to go by (an no replays) I'd assume that the Cats did a good job of taking him out of the game (perhaps your onsite eyes can comment on this)......aside from that, they did about as good a job as any other teams broadcasters especially given that it was obviously with minimal resources available.....  Anyway, congrats again on a good season.  It was fun to see the Cats face a new opponent with a lot of quality players!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2014, 12:32:36 PM
All Chip Kelly did was allow a team to use the practice facility. That's nothing -- lots of coaches do that.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on December 07, 2014, 01:57:55 PM
I watched the full game yesterday, hats off to Linfield. I think Widener loss this game due to okay coaching and bad quarterback play. How do you not scheme to get you best player the ball. Widener was able to run the ball effectively when they actually committed to it but would throw the ball three straight times with a struggling quarterback after not having success throwing it. I think Linfield experience playing in the playoffs year in and year out tremendously effected the game. Linfield utilized its best players to maximize their opportunities and capitalized, Widener not so much. The score did not reflect what was indicate how tough the Widener D played, they created turnovers, made some stout plays, the offensive game plan was just not adequate. Also, kudos to Linfield D-Line, they were putting on a clinic on Widener O-Line in passing situations, I think I saw every defensive technique used. Congrats to Widener on a great season, I just think playoff coaching experience showed.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2014, 02:04:54 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on December 07, 2014, 12:01:35 PM
ExTartan


You're a CB West grad from that era?  I was a kid during the big CB West powerhouse days and remember watching their teams in the AAAA title games.  I thought Dustin Picciotti was going to play in the NFL.

He went to Pitt but concussed out before he ever stepped on  the field for a game

It was a real shame about Dustin.............what an incredible high school athlete. He used his head as a battering ram and that was all she wrote!! I grew up and remain close friends with Mike Pettine Jr. and we are all extremely proud that he has 1 of only 32 jobs in the world as an NFL Head Coach............and he takes no krap off of anybody ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2014, 02:28:21 PM
I'm getting ready to watch my beloved, Chip Kelly led Eagles take on the Seahawks after watching Philly's other two pro football teams (St. Joe Prep and Archbishop Wood) yesterday.

bman - Would you say that DelVal's Chris Smallwood was the best running back that Widener faced all year, statistically or not?

Reading your comments about what is necessary to take the Widener program to the next level................I just think it is so hard given the number of not only DIII teams, but DII and DI-AA teams as well.

After looking at the rosters, watching a few games over the past couple of years and talking to coaches in the know.............the teams in this year's Final Four have two dozen or so players who would be playing at the DII level in PA (Bloomsburg, Kutztown, IUP, Slippery Rock, etc.) if not the D1-AA level (think Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, etc.).

You don't want to become the weigh station for D1 transfers to get to the next level (see Rowan in their glory days). Winning a conference championship and a game or two in the NCAA's is an excellent season and yesterday's game doesn't change a thing about that whatsoever, regardless of the comments made by posters who live 3,000 miles away and don't understand the differences in dozen's of schools, at a few different levels, competing for a greater number of, but still not endless supply of game changers.

Without playing the admissions game and the transfer game, there are too many schools within an hour or two drive, competing for a shrinking number of talented football players (see concussions, local high school roster shrinkage and lacrosse) to become a Linfield or Mount Union.

Lastly, to all of those within not only Pacific Northwest, but throughout the country..............Delaware was, is and will always be in the Eastern United States. I have never and will never care what the NCAA has needed to do from a numbers standpoint.

The East does play great football, dispersed (and diluted) amongst a lot of schools at all four levels of collegiate play and the East does have a seat at the DIII Final Four...............

Her name is Wesley :)

(and little DelVal is ranked fourth in the country, not the East, in wrestling ;) )
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: repete on December 07, 2014, 03:04:10 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2014, 02:28:21 PM
Without playing the admissions game and the transfer game, there are too many schools within an hour or two drive, competing for a shrinking number of talented football players (see concussions, local high school roster shrinkage and lacrosse) to become a Linfield or Mount Union.

This comes up from time to time, but nobody's sure it's really the case. Yeah, there's a higher density of schools in the East, but there's also of higher population density. (And lax is growing everywhere.) 

I'd love to see a deep report on this. There are an amazing number of factors at play and it's tough to know how much to weigh the factors. Just as an example: in the West, Minnesota has a strong d2 conference to content with, while there are no d2 programs in
Wisconsin and Iowa have one D2 schools between them. How much of a factor? Tough to say, but it's just one of the many considerations any worthwhile examination would need to include.

That said, I like Wesley's a lot this year. I think this is the year they get over the hump. Great program.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: CalCat on December 07, 2014, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: repete on December 07, 2014, 03:04:10 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2014, 02:28:21 PM
Without playing the admissions game and the transfer game, there are too many schools within an hour or two drive, competing for a shrinking number of talented football players (see concussions, local high school roster shrinkage and lacrosse) to become a Linfield or Mount Union.

This comes up from time to time, but nobody's sure it's really the case. Yeah, there's a higher density of schools in the East, but there's also of higher population density. (And lax is growing everywhere.) 

I'd love to see a deep report on this. There are an amazing number of factors at play and it's tough to know how much to weigh the factors. Just as an example: in the West, Minnesota has a strong d2 conference to content with, while there are no d2 programs in
Wisconsin and Iowa have one D2 schools between them. How much of a factor? Tough to say, but it's just one of the many considerations any worthwhile examination would need to include.

That said, I like Wesley's a lot this year. I think this is the year they get over the hump. Great program.

Population in Pennsylvania 12.7mil...Population in Oregon 3.9mil...High schools in PA. 4389...High schools in Oregon 1370...Linfield has 3 DIII football schools within 20 miles and a 4th within 40 miles...we all have our challenges at the DIII level... that is what makes us so special😀
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on December 07, 2014, 03:59:31 PM
Good to meet you, Bman! Widener is a very talented program. Lots of promise and limited some aspects of the 'Cats yesterday that others haven't been able to do.  Loved my visit to Philly and hope to bring my family back one day to visit the historic sites.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 07, 2014, 04:07:08 PM
DO.C. was nasty to the enthusiastic Widener announcers in the chat column while watching the game. They calmed down and started giving credit to the visiting team. DO.C. calmed down.

I believe Widener to be a ranked team that did let the game get out of control from the kick out the end zone on the bad snap. LINFIELD made some catches in coverage that neither set of announcers were sure were completions until the refs indicated. Could have easily been dropped or intercepted. Read where LINFIELD receivers chose not to wear gloves because of the rain. Sam Riddle threw into triple coverage a couple times and got away with it.
When the #2 Qb Yarbrough came in he ran the ran just like Riddle had been doing. Widener seemed to have stood up straight by that time of the game and just weren't that 12-0 team any more.
Smack talk on the internet is an anonymous dessert not everyone chooses.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bluenote on December 08, 2014, 01:39:15 AM
If you want my opinion on the webcast radio personalities.... I thought they were way too hard on their own team....from what I heard.

Go Cats... all the way to Salem.... #35!!!

Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 08, 2014, 10:38:34 AM
They are typicall Philly area guys... We boo our own teams as readily as we boo others...! ...hey we paid our 8 bucks to get in, why not!  They just do it over the air... :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 08, 2014, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2014, 02:28:21 PM

bman - Would you say that DelVal's Chris Smallwood was the best running back that Widener faced all year, statistically or not?

He was the best that I saw...but to qualify, I didn't see Needhammer play, as I was traveling on Lyco day...

I was really impressed with Smallwood, and thought he played great against Widener.  He's a hard nosed runner...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2014, 11:17:51 AM
Smallwood is certainly up there... I think Trey Lee from Stevenson is underrated. That being said, this is a smash-mouth league and running the ball is so important. Just look at Wilkes who struggled to control the line of scrimmage this year, forced to throw all of the time, and didn't fare well against the top of the conference.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 08, 2014, 11:54:45 AM
Quote from: CalCat on December 07, 2014, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: repete on December 07, 2014, 03:04:10 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2014, 02:28:21 PM
Without playing the admissions game and the transfer game, there are too many schools within an hour or two drive, competing for a shrinking number of talented football players (see concussions, local high school roster shrinkage and lacrosse) to become a Linfield or Mount Union.

This comes up from time to time, but nobody's sure it's really the case. Yeah, there's a higher density of schools in the East, but there's also of higher population density. (And lax is growing everywhere.) 

I'd love to see a deep report on this. There are an amazing number of factors at play and it's tough to know how much to weigh the factors. Just as an example: in the West, Minnesota has a strong d2 conference to content with, while there are no d2 programs in
Wisconsin and Iowa have one D2 schools between them. How much of a factor? Tough to say, but it's just one of the many considerations any worthwhile examination would need to include.

That said, I like Wesley's a lot this year. I think this is the year they get over the hump. Great program.

Population in Pennsylvania 12.7mil...Population in Oregon 3.9mil...High schools in PA. 4389...High schools in Oregon 1370...Linfield has 3 DIII football schools within 20 miles and a 4th within 40 miles...we all have our challenges at the DIII level... that is what makes us so special😀

Saw the facts & figures being thrown around...just want to shed more light on the topic: The above comparison, due to population & density, is very difficult to do - in fact, I'd say it's impossible.

PA has 25 (by my count) D3 schools! Of course, the 4-5 in western PA are certainly not anywhere close to Widener...but using Widener as the center, There are about 35 d3 schools within a 2.5 hour drive when one includes NJ, MD, and yes, the one school in DE.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on December 08, 2014, 12:12:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 07, 2014, 12:32:36 PM
All Chip Kelly did was allow a team to use the practice facility. That's nothing -- lots of coaches do that.

Couldn't agree more Pat... Happens all the time and I think the coach of Widener was really off base making that comment. Chip Kelly responded this morning and I agree with him and didn't realize as well some of the things Linfield has been through this year. http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/12/chip-kelly-responds-to-criticism-from-widener-coach-doesnt-understand-it.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 08, 2014, 02:04:39 PM

Edited:   Thanks Dave, my list cut off, and I didn't realize it...I think this is correct now:


Good representation from the MAC on the All-East Region Team:
First Team:

RB Chris Smallwood  DVC
WR Rasheed Bailey   DVC
WR Anthony Davis    WU
DT Tyler Glover         WU
LB Brandon Harper   WU
LB Frank Gaffney      LVC
S   Sean Titus           WU
ST Malik Gilmore       ALB

Second Team  

QB Aaron Wilmer              DV
RB Craig Needhammer  LYCO
LB Rashaad Lighty           DV
LB Kevin Burns                WU

Third  Team   

RB Brendan Irving           DV
WR Ryan Umpleby        LYCO
G Anthony Brooks          WU
K Daniel Sobolewski       ALB
RET Devonte Williams     STE
CB Austin Tennessee      STE
S Danny Wynne             DV


Congrats to all!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
You leaving some guys off on purpose?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2014, 02:13:03 PM
First Team Offense
RB Chris Smallwood     Delaware Valley
WR Rasheed Bailey       Delaware Valley
WR Anthony Davis       Widener

Second Team Offense
QB Aaron Wilmer          Delaware Valley
RB Craig Needhammer  Lycoming

Third Team Offense
RB Brendon Irving        Lebanon Valley
WR Ryan Umpleby        Lycoming
G Anthony Brooks        Widener
K Daniel Sobolewski     Albright
RET Devonte Williams   Stevenson

First Team Defense
DT Tyler Glover            Widener
LB Brandon Harper      Widener
LB Frank Gaffney          Lebanon Valley
S Sean Titus                Widener
ST Malik Gilmore          Albright

Second Team Defense
LB Rashaad Lighty      Delaware Valley
LB Kevin Burns           Widener

Third Team Defense
CB Austin Tennessee  Stevenson
S Danny Wynne          Delaware Valley
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 08, 2014, 02:19:47 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 08, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
You leaving some guys off on purpose?

Dorry

My list cut off...thanks for mentioning!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 08, 2014, 03:10:44 PM
Pretty good year for MAC running backs! Congrats to all these guys.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 10, 2014, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: bill on December 08, 2014, 11:54:45 AM
Quote from: CalCat on December 07, 2014, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: repete on December 07, 2014, 03:04:10 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2014, 02:28:21 PM
Without playing the admissions game and the transfer game, there are too many schools within an hour or two drive, competing for a shrinking number of talented football players (see concussions, local high school roster shrinkage and lacrosse) to become a Linfield or Mount Union.

This comes up from time to time, but nobody's sure it's really the case. Yeah, there's a higher density of schools in the East, but there's also of higher population density. (And lax is growing everywhere.) 

I'd love to see a deep report on this. There are an amazing number of factors at play and it's tough to know how much to weigh the factors. Just as an example: in the West, Minnesota has a strong d2 conference to content with, while there are no d2 programs in
Wisconsin and Iowa have one D2 schools between them. How much of a factor? Tough to say, but it's just one of the many considerations any worthwhile examination would need to include.

That said, I like Wesley's a lot this year. I think this is the year they get over the hump. Great program.

Population in Pennsylvania 12.7mil...Population in Oregon 3.9mil...High schools in PA. 4389...High schools in Oregon 1370...Linfield has 3 DIII football schools within 20 miles and a 4th within 40 miles...we all have our challenges at the DIII level... that is what makes us so special😀

Saw the facts & figures being thrown around...just want to shed more light on the topic: The above comparison, due to population & density, is very difficult to do - in fact, I'd say it's impossible.

PA has 25 (by my count) D3 schools! Of course, the 4-5 in western PA are certainly not anywhere close to Widener...but using Widener as the center, There are about 35 d3 schools within a 2.5 hour drive when one includes NJ, MD, and yes, the one school in DE.

Bill - You are spot on! You can't use population statistics like our friends in Oregon and the Midwest like to do. I can speak to the Philadelphia Public Schools and the smaller school's throughout the entire state of PA and many of them have rosters around 30-35 "players", some of whom would never see the field on a team with 60-80 players.

Division II West Chester State University (PA) has a quarterback up for the Harlon Hill Award (DII's version of the Heisman). I've been told by a DII coach who knows the DIII, DII and DI-AA landscape on a national basis and he stated that this particular QB is not as good as Kevin Burke. He also stated that colleagues of his at the DII and DIII level have stated over the years that Mount Union, UW-W and Linfield regularly have a good 15-20 players who would be playing, not just on a roster, at solid DII programs.......with a few at DI-AA programs.

In PA, with not only the 35 DIII schools within a pretty simple drive, you also have a couple dozen DII programs and a dozen or so DI-AA's. Most of these athletes choose the higher level of play, sometimes perceived though, especially since there is no Mount Union or UW-W on the DIII level in their own backyard.

These are just the facts as told to me over the years by coaches in the know..............not any of us on a chatboard :)

Wesley has become an Eastern Power (yes..............Delaware is in the East) and they will probably get more of those DII talent level players as a result. The other DIII PA teams consistently near at or near the top of the MAC (i.e. Widener, DelVal, Lyco) will always suffer from some dilution given the myriad of options within a couple of hours.

As a reference, just look at the Rowan teams from the glory days who always added higher level transfer talent to a roster which already had a good 4-8 players who could have done the DII strut. The only difference with the Mount's, UW-W's and Linfield's is that the higher division talent rarely transfers in...................they start out in the programs as freshman and usually stay all four years.

Other than Wesley, I truly don't see another Eastern program, for a variety of legit reasons, ever becoming a consistent, year in and year out, national power in football.

................and the WIAC, that is a DII conference posing as a DIII conference. The primary PA DII conference (PSAC) only dreams to have the facilities and resources of a UW-W :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 10, 2014, 08:25:06 PM
Quote.and the WIAC, that is a DII conference posing as a DIII conference. The primary PA DII conference (PSAC) only dreams to have the facilities and resources of a UW-

You'll be noticing your smite meter going up a few notches after that.
I applaud. (Oops! there went mine up a peg.)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 10, 2014, 09:15:08 PM
Jay
All good points...clearly as has been noted a million times on here, admissions and price tag also factor in... But success begets success, and that is as big a factor as anything...

DOC. You are a cornucopia of smite...what the heck do you do???
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 11, 2014, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: bman on December 10, 2014, 09:15:08 PM
Jay
All good points...clearly as has been noted a million times on here, admissions and price tag also factor in... But success begets success, and that is as big a factor as anything...

DOC. You are a cornucopia of smite...what the heck do you do???

Can you say Brett Elliott? :)

See paragraph #3 below

http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2013/12/former_division_i_players_say.html

Same situation in PA, tons of DI-AA and DII opportunities. In the hinterlands...............not so much.

bman - D.O.C. is out in Oregon, rains all day so indoor activities rule. Can you say Cheech and Chong? ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 11, 2014, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 11, 2014, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: bman on December 10, 2014, 09:15:08 PM
Jay
All good points...clearly as has been noted a million times on here, admissions and price tag also factor in... But success begets success, and that is as big a factor as anything...

DOC. You are a cornucopia of smite...what the heck do you do???

Can you say Brett Elliott? :)

See paragraph #3 below

http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2013/12/former_division_i_players_say.html

Same situation in PA, tons of DI-AA and DII opportunities. In the hinterlands...............not so much.

bman - D.O.C. is out in Oregon, rains all day so indoor activities rule. Can you say Cheech and Chong? ;)

I actually have a question related to paragraph #4...Linfield certainly didn't win an NCAA D3 national championship in 1984 or 1986....were they NAIA or something? Either way, I think it is a relatively big error, as the whole point of the article is the great experience that D3 has to offer!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 11, 2014, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 10, 2014, 08:25:06 PM
Quote.and the WIAC, that is a DII conference posing as a DIII conference. The primary PA DII conference (PSAC) only dreams to have the facilities and resources of a UW-

You'll be noticing your smite meter going up a few notches after that.
I applaud. (Oops! there went mine up a peg.)

Can you say Brett Elliott? :)

See paragraph #3 below

http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2013/12/former_division_i_players_say.html

Same situation in PA, tons of DI-AA and DII opportunities. In the hinterlands...............not so much.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 11, 2014, 04:22:40 PM
Yes, Linfield won titles as a member of the NAIA before joining the NCAA.  There's actually a bunch of current Division III members on the list of NAIA champions (Pacific Lutheran, Texas-Lutheran, UW-La Crosse).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAIA_Football_National_Championship
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on December 12, 2014, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 11, 2014, 02:38:46 PM

bman - D.O.C. is out in Oregon, rains all day so indoor activities rule. Can you say Cheech and Chong? ;)
Actually D O.C. is in sunny Southern California  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 12, 2014, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: cawcdad on December 12, 2014, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 11, 2014, 02:38:46 PM

bman - D.O.C. is out in Oregon, rains all day so indoor activities rule. Can you say Cheech and Chong? ;)
Actually D O.C. is in sunny Southern California  ;D

Well then the Cheech and Chong reference is most appropriate!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 12, 2014, 07:10:37 PM
Naw, just an imp or else there's be only X's and O's.
Laughter, the best medicine. Of course, half my stuff is cryptic and encrypted, hence the Smite-O- Meter.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 13, 2014, 09:36:06 AM
Quote from: cawcdad on December 12, 2014, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 11, 2014, 02:38:46 PM

bman - D.O.C. is out in Oregon, rains all day so indoor activities rule. Can you say Cheech and Chong? ;)
Actually D O.C. is in sunny Southern California  ;D

My bad......not quite Cheech & Chong land, but depending on where.......real close ;D

DI-AA/DII (disguised as DIII) Semifinal Predictions:

Linfield - 27
Villanova (oops.....my bad.....UW-W) - 24

Mount Youngstown Union State - 31
Wesley - 24

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 18, 2014, 04:47:49 PM
There HAS to be something to talk about....

anything?

Hello?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 18, 2014, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: bman on December 18, 2014, 04:47:49 PM
There HAS to be something to talk about....

anything?

Hello?

bman,

What's up out there? These boards go into hibernation seemingly right after the last team standing in the conference goes down. The NJAC hasn't had a post in weeks and that's with Wesley coming aboard in 2015!! Let's switch it up a bit.

I am vehemently against the idea of trading a ton of picks to get Marcus Marriota. Trent Dilfer managed a team to a Superbowl with a great defense and a running game. Through the draft and free agency, get me another solid safety and a corner or two and we have a Top Five/Seven Defense. Get me a receiver to play with Maclin and Matthews, a younger offensive lineman and get Bryce Brown back after Buffalo cuts him. Start Foles and you can compete. What do you think?

2014 Championship Game Prediction:

Mount Youngstown Union State - 31
University of DI-AA Wisconsin Whitewater - 27

2015 Championship Game Prediction:

Mount Youngstown Union State - 27
University of DI-AA Wisconsin Whitewater - 24

2016.....2017......2018......2019......2020.....Guess Who ??? ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 18, 2014, 10:03:38 PM
http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2014/12/18/FB_14maxwell.aspx?path=football

Congratulations to Delaware Valley University's (has a nice ring to it :) ) Rasheed Bailey on this prestigious award...............The Maxwell Club's Tri-State Player Of The Year!!

He's even a better person than he is a player.

Be careful when shaking his hand if you value your finger bones. With pipes like that, it all now makes sense :)

Great job Sheeeeeeeeed!!!!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 18, 2014, 10:34:00 PM
The hits keep coming for Delaware Valley University's Rasheed Bailey................

First Team Little (Divisions II, III and NAIA) All American!!!

http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/ap-little-all-america-team-list-1
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 19, 2014, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 18, 2014, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: bman on December 18, 2014, 04:47:49 PM
There HAS to be something to talk about....

anything?

Hello?

bman,

What's up out there? These boards go into hibernation seemingly right after the last team standing in the conference goes down. The NJAC hasn't had a post in weeks and that's with Wesley coming aboard in 2015!! Let's switch it up a bit.

I am vehemently against the idea of trading a ton of picks to get Marcus Marriota. Trent Dilfer managed a team to a Superbowl with a great defense and a running game. Through the draft and free agency, get me another solid safety and a corner or two and we have a Top Five/Seven Defense. Get me a receiver to play with Maclin and Matthews, a younger offensive lineman and get Bryce Brown back after Buffalo cuts him. Start Foles and you can compete. What do you think?

2014 Championship Game Prediction:

Mount Youngstown Union State - 31
University of DI-AA Wisconsin Whitewater - 27

2015 Championship Game Prediction:

Mount Youngstown Union State - 27
University of DI-AA Wisconsin Whitewater - 24

2016.....2017......2018......2019......2020.....Guess Who ??? ;)

Jay

I agree regarding Mariotta.  I have watched a few Oregon games this year, and feel that he is not an accurate passer...  I fear the same situation as Washington has on their hands if we go that route...
and oh boy, do we need a defensive backfield...the last 2 weeks have exposed us... :-\


I wouldn't dismiss Linfield from the 2015 discussion...While WW still will have the talent base, coaching becomes a question mark.  Leipold will not be easily replaced...
Of course "Mount Youngstown Union State" will always be in the mix...

Starting new year, I'll try to go through the MAC one team at a time for 2015...just listing returning players etc...while probably grossluy innacurate, will be fun to discuss...

PS... I met a recent FDU (Florham) grad on Wednesday night...He did not attend 1 football game in his 4 years...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 19, 2014, 03:31:19 PM
As a Raider fan, I've been coveting Mariotta for a while.  But I'm basically just coveting any reason to hope my team will be relevant again. With the Bucs and Titans now basically locked into the top two slots, I think Mariotta is certain to be gone before the Raiders pick third.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 19, 2014, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 19, 2014, 03:31:19 PM
As a Raider fan, I've been coveting Mariotta for a while.  But I'm basically just coveting any reason to hope my team will be relevant again. With the Bucs and Titans now basically locked into the top two slots, I think Mariotta is certain to be gone before the Raiders pick third.

Do we dare ask why a Raiders fan? 
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 20, 2014, 08:58:23 AM
What a great game last night...I told myself I wasn't going to watch, but I couldn't stop myself...sat down with a glass (or three) of Port and ended up really loving the game...Not caring who won, actually made the game more enjoyable...
And a great example to show young players about discipline and effort...

Given the outcome, I'm wondering if Linfield has made a case to be ranked at 2...(I know they won't)...but comparing the 2 games, I feel like Linfield was a stronger opponent for Whitewater than Mount (which is no disrespect to Mount)...

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on December 23, 2014, 12:13:58 AM
Quote from: bman on December 20, 2014, 08:58:23 AM
What a great game last night...I told myself I wasn't going to watch, but I couldn't stop myself...sat down with a glass (or three) of Port and ended up really loving the game...Not caring who won, actually made the game more enjoyable...
And a great example to show young players about discipline and effort...

Given the outcome, I'm wondering if Linfield has made a case to be ranked at 2...(I know they won't)...but comparing the 2 games, I feel like Linfield was a stronger opponent for Whitewater than Mount (which is no disrespect to Mount)...

Thoughts?

I like that line of thinking!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 24, 2014, 09:17:54 AM
Happy holidays to the MAC posters, and safe travels!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 06, 2015, 12:46:37 PM
Happy New Year to Gordon, bman and all of the MAC posters!!!

Gordon - I will be interested to see which January transfers actually matriculate to DelVal when the January semester starts.................vs. the rumors. I'm waiting for the next Knoblauch/Isgro/Wilmer (and no slight to Hatty.........I think that he could have been a successful, multiyear starter if not blocked). They get a lot of important, injured players back. I also hear that Kenner-English is back on campus (and hoping that Sadler might come back as well). I've heard the Frank Law injuries (yes, plural) were fairly serious so we're hoping for the best for him of course.

Gordon, give me a prediction on the Men's Hoops team. I think that they will wake up out of their semi-slumber and win the MAC regular season with a 12-2 record and will win both home playoff games for their third MAC Championship in the last five years.

What say you?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on January 08, 2015, 09:37:18 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 06, 2015, 12:46:37 PM
Happy New Year to Gordon, bman and all of the MAC posters!!!

Gordon - I will be interested to see which January transfers actually matriculate to DelVal when the January semester starts.................vs. the rumors. I'm waiting for the next Knoblauch/Isgro/Wilmer (and no slight to Hatty.........I think that he could have been a successful, multiyear starter if not blocked). They get a lot of important, injured players back. I also hear that Kenner-English is back on campus (and hoping that Sadler might come back as well). I've heard the Frank Law injuries (yes, plural) were fairly serious so we're hoping for the best for him of course.

Gordon, give me a prediction on the Men's Hoops team. I think that they will wake up out of their semi-slumber and win the MAC regular season with a 12-2 record and will win both home playoff games for their third MAC Championship in the last five years.

What say you?

Happy New Year!...

Referencing above transfer notes...Please don't become Rowan... :-X

Also, WU's mens team is having a nice year as well...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2015, 10:28:50 AM
Rowan football didn't take a higher percentage of transfer students than Rowan University as a whole did. Just the culture over there.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on January 08, 2015, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2015, 10:28:50 AM
Rowan football didn't take a higher percentage of transfer students than Rowan University as a whole did. Just the culture over there.

"Rutgers South"
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 10, 2015, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: bman on January 08, 2015, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2015, 10:28:50 AM
Rowan football didn't take a higher percentage of transfer students than Rowan University as a whole did. Just the culture over there.

"Rutgers South"

Touche :)
I've got Rowan stories from (no names) a few people.......including a former QB from Doylestown, PA. There was some crazy stuff going on in Glassboro back in the day ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 10, 2015, 11:22:56 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 06, 2015, 12:46:37 PM
Happy New Year to Gordon, bman and all of the MAC posters!!!

Gordon - I will be interested to see which January transfers actually matriculate to DelVal when the January semester starts.................vs. the rumors. I'm waiting for the next Knoblauch/Isgro/Wilmer (and no slight to Hatty.........I think that he could have been a successful, multiyear starter if not blocked). They get a lot of important, injured players back. I also hear that Kenner-English is back on campus (and hoping that Sadler might come back as well). I've heard the Frank Law injuries (yes, plural) were fairly serious so we're hoping for the best for him of course.

Gordon, give me a prediction on the Men's Hoops team. I think that they will wake up out of their semi-slumber and win the MAC regular season with a 12-2 record and will win both home playoff games for their third MAC Championship in the last five years.

What say you?

Where for art thou Gordo? :)
Hit me up with an Aggies Men's Hoops prediction.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2015, 11:49:40 AM
May want to venture over to the basketball boards for that. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on February 10, 2015, 03:36:53 PM
Widener's 2015 Schedule:
Sat.   9/5/2015              Rowan          Chester, PA
Sat.   9/12/2015          King's          Chester, PA
Sat.   9/19/2015          Albright            Reading, PA
Sat.   9/26/2015          Lebanon Valley   Chester, PA
Sat.   10/3/2015          Wilkes               Edwardsville, PA
Sat.   10/17/2015        Misericordia          Chester, PA
Sat.   10/24/2015        Stevenson           Owings Mills, MD
Sat.   10/31/2015        Lycoming          Chester, PA
Sat.   11/7/2015          FDU-Florham          Chester, PA
Sat.   11/14/2015        Delaware Valley  Doylestown, PA

Maybe a road trip to Owings Mills is in order (not that far from me) this year...I have not seen Stevenson play live...and 9/5, I will definitely be in Chester...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 12, 2015, 06:21:34 PM
Pretty cool interview below with DelVal's Aaron Wilmer and Rasheed Bailey. Aaron has a huge uphill climb given his size, but I could see his big arm and fast legs in Canada. I do see Rasheed Bailey playing on Sunday's. The kid is built like a brick you-know-what!! Heading into this past season, I really thought that Widener's Anthony Davis was going to have the monster senior year, especially with a strong armed QB like Kline, but Bailey captured every possible award for a D3 Player...............especially for a team that did not have a deep playoff run.

The beauty from a program standpoint (not named Mount Union:) is that the coaching staff can AND IS talking to recruits about being able to achieve whatever they'd like (within reason.........a 270 pound tackle is not playing in the NFL:) and they are utilizing these two young men to get in front of some top line recruits.

You never know who will actually show up until camp begins in about five months, but there is a real enthusiasm in the weight room and the rumors are floating around that the capable, day one replacements for Wilmer and Smallwood are already in place and Bailey's replacement is a freshman on the track and field team that is setting records left and right.

I'm moving my "rebuild" to "reload" and a 5-5 team in 2015 up to a 7-3, possible 8-2 team if the rumors about a few of the incoming freshman and transfers comes through........especially two potential transfers (and I don't want to hear anything about Rowan in the 90's:)

Mark these words. If everything falls into place, in the long history of stud DelVal running backs's.........................there is a 50/50 chance that the best back in the history of not only the school, but of the MAC, will be spending at least the next three, if not four years toting the leather. I know more than I'm letting on but have been asked to refrain from any details as it's not done until it's done. My fingers are crossed!!

Check out the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlQ5BSYN40Y&app=desktop

It's been five minutes........I need to go check who the Eagles cut, traded, traded for, etc. :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on March 13, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 12, 2015, 06:21:34 PM
.there is a 50/50 chance that the best back in the history of not only the school, but of the MAC, will be spending at least the next three, if not four years toting the leather.

Billy White Shoes Johnson (RB at Widener) is coming back? ;)

I tried to post an image here but the uploader file was full??
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on March 13, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 12, 2015, 06:21:34 PM
Pretty cool interview below with DelVal's Aaron Wilmer and Rasheed Bailey. Aaron has a huge uphill climb given his size, but I could see his big arm and fast legs in Canada. I do see Rasheed Bailey playing on Sunday's. The kid is built like a brick you-know-what!! Heading into this past season, I really thought that Widener's Anthony Davis was going to have the monster senior year, especially with a strong armed QB like Kline, but Bailey captured every possible award for a D3 Player...............especially for a team that did not have a deep playoff run.

The beauty from a program standpoint (not named Mount Union:) is that the coaching staff can AND IS talking to recruits about being able to achieve whatever they'd like (within reason.........a 270 pound tackle is not playing in the NFL:) and they are utilizing these two young men to get in front of some top line recruits.

You never know who will actually show up until camp begins in about five months, but there is a real enthusiasm in the weight room and the rumors are floating around that the capable, day one replacements for Wilmer and Smallwood are already in place and Bailey's replacement is a freshman on the track and field team that is setting records left and right.

I'm moving my "rebuild" to "reload" and a 5-5 team in 2015 up to a 7-3, possible 8-2 team if the rumors about a few of the incoming freshman and transfers comes through........especially two potential transfers (and I don't want to hear anything about Rowan in the 90's:)

Mark these words. If everything falls into place, in the long history of stud DelVal running backs's.........................there is a 50/50 chance that the best back in the history of not only the school, but of the MAC, will be spending at least the next three, if not four years toting the leather. I know more than I'm letting on but have been asked to refrain from any details as it's not done until it's done. My fingers are crossed!!

Check out the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlQ5BSYN40Y&app=desktop

It's been five minutes........I need to go check who the Eagles cut, traded, traded for, etc. :)

Thanks for giving us Foles. ;D Eagles give Bradford to the Jets for the 6th pick and take Mariotto. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on March 13, 2015, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on March 13, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on March 12, 2015, 06:21:34 PM
Pretty cool interview below with DelVal's Aaron Wilmer and Rasheed Bailey. Aaron has a huge uphill climb given his size, but I could see his big arm and fast legs in Canada. I do see Rasheed Bailey playing on Sunday's. The kid is built like a brick you-know-what!! Heading into this past season, I really thought that Widener's Anthony Davis was going to have the monster senior year, especially with a strong armed QB like Kline, but Bailey captured every possible award for a D3 Player...............especially for a team that did not have a deep playoff run.

The beauty from a program standpoint (not named Mount Union:) is that the coaching staff can AND IS talking to recruits about being able to achieve whatever they'd like (within reason.........a 270 pound tackle is not playing in the NFL:) and they are utilizing these two young men to get in front of some top line recruits.

You never know who will actually show up until camp begins in about five months, but there is a real enthusiasm in the weight room and the rumors are floating around that the capable, day one replacements for Wilmer and Smallwood are already in place and Bailey's replacement is a freshman on the track and field team that is setting records left and right.

I'm moving my "rebuild" to "reload" and a 5-5 team in 2015 up to a 7-3, possible 8-2 team if the rumors about a few of the incoming freshman and transfers comes through........especially two potential transfers (and I don't want to hear anything about Rowan in the 90's:)

Mark these words. If everything falls into place, in the long history of stud DelVal running backs's.........................there is a 50/50 chance that the best back in the history of not only the school, but of the MAC, will be spending at least the next three, if not four years toting the leather. I know more than I'm letting on but have been asked to refrain from any details as it's not done until it's done. My fingers are crossed!!

Check out the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlQ5BSYN40Y&app=desktop

It's been five minutes........I need to go check who the Eagles cut, traded, traded for, etc. :)

Thanks for giving us Foles. ;D Eagles give Bradford to the Jets for the 6th pick and take Mariotto. Thoughts?

Rams - I am sooooooo confused by what is going on not only with the Eagles, but with several teams across the NFL!!! Foles is in the last year of his rookie contract so he needs to prove if he is the 2103 version (with a top three offensive line in the league, Jackson, McCoy) or the 2014 version pre-injury. I love the Rams defense and they could make real noise in the division given the demise of the 49ers and the step back that I believe the Seahawks will take, but I am not sold on their offensive line or skill position players. I do like Bradford if he is healthy BUT that is a huge if :)

I don't think the Jets trade the sixth pick for Bradford. If you listen to all of the noise coming out of Oregon's Pro Day yesterday, there are some teams very lukewarm on Mariota. He may very well do an Aaron Rogers like plummet and fall to the Birds at 20.

Bill - I certainly remember "White Shoes", but I was talking about pure running backs........not do-it-all studs :)

If you are from the general area.........and this does occur........you will remember this kid from his insane high school record breaking career  ;)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on March 15, 2015, 03:12:02 PM
Mariota doesn't get by pick 5 regardless of the posturing going on...and doubtful that het gets by the Titans, regardless of how they say they feel about Mettenberger.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 07, 2015, 10:44:56 AM
Well,

Saw my first Phillies game of the season yesterday.
The bright spot...
There's only 10 months to Pitchers and Catchers!  :o
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 07, 2015, 03:47:04 PM
good article on wilmer and bailey from DVC being invited to the Eagles novacare complex for private workouts under the eyes of Chip and the staff.... http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/20150405_From_the_Public_League_to_NFL_tryouts.html
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 07, 2015, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: PBR... on April 07, 2015, 03:47:04 PM
good article on wilmer and bailey from DVC being invited to the Eagles novacare complex for private workouts under the eyes of Chip and the staff.... http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/20150405_From_the_Public_League_to_NFL_tryouts.html
I hope they make it!  Then I can root for them instead of "intensely" against them...:)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 10, 2015, 08:14:14 PM
Sounds like Bailey impressed the Eagles and a private workout at the novacare complex... Good to see every team but the 49ers have inquired about him as well. http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/WHYY-Roxborough-High-Graduate-Work-Eagles-Bailey-299317221.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_PHBrand
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 14, 2015, 01:03:54 PM
PBR - Another day, another article about the Aggies Rasheed Bailey! I thought that he'd have a good senior year, but if you told me that it would have amounted to all of this.........I wouldn't have believed you in a million years. This kid's drive is amazing and he has built up his body from a skinny freshman to rock solid senior.......a ton of hours lifting weights, running and catching passes from Wilmer all year long. It would be amazing if Widener's Anthony Davis joins him at the next level but I have not heard or read his name anywhere. Two MAC WR's from the Class of 2015 in the NFL.......that would be mind blowing!!. Here's the latest.......

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2015/4/14/FB_0414153236.aspx?path=football

Greco and the coaching staff are using the success of Bailey, Wilmer and others (Smallwood, Brian Carter) to get in front of some, let's just say, VERY interesting prospects........both high school seniors and transfers. They just had Sharriff Floyd (1st round NFL draft pick last year) on campus to talk to the team. He was a high school teammate of Wilmer's at George Washington in Philly. Based on how Bailey and Wilmer wowed them last week down at the NovaCare Complex, I'm also hearing that a visit from some coach named Kelly (or a trip down to South Philly) might be in the offing..........the Widener coach will love that after the Linfield debacle last year :)

While I don't expect a MAC Championship next year given the loss of so many key players, the Aggies might sneak up on the likes of Widener and Lycoming in 2015.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on April 14, 2015, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on April 14, 2015, 01:03:54 PM
PBR - Another day, another article about the Aggies Rasheed Bailey! I thought that he'd have a good senior year, but if you told me that it would have amounted to all of this.........I wouldn't have believed you in a million years. This kid's drive is amazing and he has built up his body from a skinny freshman to rock solid senior.......a ton of hours lifting weights, running and catching passes from Wilmer all year long. It would be amazing if Widener's Anthony Davis joins him at the next level but I have not heard or read his name anywhere. Two MAC WR's from the Class of 2015 in the NFL.......that would be mind blowing!!. Here's the latest.......

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2015/4/14/FB_0414153236.aspx?path=football

Greco and the coaching staff are using the success of Bailey, Wilmer and others (Smallwood, Brian Carter) to get in front of some, let's just say, VERY interesting prospects........both high school seniors and transfers. They just had Sharriff Floyd (1st round NFL draft pick last year) on campus to talk to the team. He was a high school teammate of Wilmer's at George Washington in Philly. Based on how Bailey and Wilmer wowed them last week down at the NovaCare Complex, I'm also hearing that a visit from some coach named Kelly (or a trip down to South Philly) might be in the offing..........the Widener coach will love that after the Linfield debacle last year :)

While I don't expect a MAC Championship next year given the loss of so many key players, the Aggies might sneak up on the likes of Widener and Lycoming in 2015.

I hope my Red Hawks have a chance on opening day.  ;D
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 14, 2015, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on April 14, 2015, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on April 14, 2015, 01:03:54 PM
PBR - Another day, another article about the Aggies Rasheed Bailey! I thought that he'd have a good senior year, but if you told me that it would have amounted to all of this.........I wouldn't have believed you in a million years. This kid's drive is amazing and he has built up his body from a skinny freshman to rock solid senior.......a ton of hours lifting weights, running and catching passes from Wilmer all year long. It would be amazing if Widener's Anthony Davis joins him at the next level but I have not heard or read his name anywhere. Two MAC WR's from the Class of 2015 in the NFL.......that would be mind blowing!!. Here's the latest.......

http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2015/4/14/FB_0414153236.aspx?path=football

Greco and the coaching staff are using the success of Bailey, Wilmer and others (Smallwood, Brian Carter) to get in front of some, let's just say, VERY interesting prospects........both high school seniors and transfers. They just had Sharriff Floyd (1st round NFL draft pick last year) on campus to talk to the team. He was a high school teammate of Wilmer's at George Washington in Philly. Based on how Bailey and Wilmer wowed them last week down at the NovaCare Complex, I'm also hearing that a visit from some coach named Kelly (or a trip down to South Philly) might be in the offing..........the Widener coach will love that after the Linfield debacle last year :)

While I don't expect a MAC Championship next year given the loss of so many key players, the Aggies might sneak up on the likes of Widener and Lycoming in 2015.

I hope my Red Hawks have a chance on opening day.  ;D

Rams - You've got 'em this year, especially with so many new bodies, at key positions, in a season opener. The Aggies lose a four year starter at QB (and I would argue best ever......along with Knoblauch), best receiver ever (not many Aggies receivers in the NFL :) ), stud running back (Smallwood), best corner (Carter......who is also playing in some regional all-star/combine game coming up), best linebacker (Law - injury) and two All-MAC offensive lineman.

I still keep in touch with the family of an ex-Aggie who moved back home and transferred to Montclair and he's telling his Dad that they are loaded and seeking revenge for last year's season opener. It sounds like only Wesley keeps Montclair from a NJAC title.............and maybe you catch them on an off day. They are also loaded for bear......again :)
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on April 21, 2015, 10:57:11 AM
another good article on Bailey from DVU... http://6abc.com/672902/
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 21, 2015, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: PBR... on April 21, 2015, 10:57:11 AM
another good article on Bailey from DVU... http://6abc.com/672902/

I saw it when it came on.  He's a well spoken young man, I hope it works out.  I don't know if I see him getting drafted (even late rounds), but if not I sure hope he does get a shot at a camp as a free agent.  It will be fun to follow him....especially if its the Eagles...
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on April 21, 2015, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: PBR... on April 21, 2015, 10:57:11 AM
another good article on Bailey from DVU... http://6abc.com/672902/

Wishing him all the best...tremendous athlete!
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on April 22, 2015, 01:22:04 PM
Does anyone know if Davis from Widener got a look?
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on April 22, 2015, 04:34:20 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on April 22, 2015, 01:22:04 PM
Does anyone know if Davis from Widener got a look?

Jason - Coming into this past season (and over the past couple of seasons), Davis was getting all of the pub as the next D3 receiver to make the NFL (another Garcon and Shorts) and he had a solid senior season, but it appears that Rasheed Bailey jumped ahead of him during and especially after the season. All of the post-season awards and the Philly area radio and newspapers have been all over Bailey and I haven't heard much about Davis. Maybe Pat, Gordon, bman or somebody else knows better where things stand with him heading into next week.

It appears that Bailey and Marpet (Hobart) are pretty high on the NFL radar screens. It's all still pretty amazing to me watching Rasheed from Day One as a freshman...........an NFL wide receiver (again, potentially) not from Mount Youngstown Union State or that D1-AA (in drag) school up in Whitewater, WI :)


Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 23, 2015, 05:46:17 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on April 22, 2015, 01:22:04 PM
Does anyone know if Davis from Widener got a look?
From what I heard, his 40 time has eliminated most of the interest.  Definitely not on a draft board...we'll see what free agent signings bring.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 04, 2015, 01:50:42 PM
Great news that Bailey signed with the Eagles!  Nice to have him in the fold.  Hoping he makes an impact and sticks!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 11, 2015, 03:44:58 PM
Looks like Anthony Davis has a tryout with the Bill sin their rookie camp this week.  Wishing him luck!

http://www.delcotimes.com/sports/20150507/wideners-davis-tries-his-luck-with-buffalo-bills
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on May 12, 2015, 06:19:58 PM
Congrats to Anthony Davis. I certainly enjoyed watching him over the years at Widener.

bman- What were his 40 times? He looked faster than Bailey on the field but I know that Rasheed worked his backside off to build his body and improve his speed.

Best of luck to both of them. It certainly is an uphill battle. I think that Wilmer has a tough battle up in Vancouver. They've got a few pretty good Division I QB's on the roster, including Aaron Rogers little brother from Vanderbilt.

Here are two pretty cool pieces that came out today on Bailey:

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/05/12/bailey-im-preparing-myself-for-a-fight/

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/undrafted-wide-receiver-rasheed-bailey-aims-earn-roster-spot-eagles



Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 19, 2015, 10:26:40 AM
JM

No one can/will tell me the 40 time, other than it was below standard.  Unfortunately, I don't have enough of a connection with the current staff to inquire directly, although I have asked a couple people to inquire.
I also asked to see if there were impressions on how his tryout went.   I hope he made a great impression, and is invited to camp, but we'll see.
Having Bailey in camp, may actually compel me to go to an open Eagles practice this summer ;)...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 01, 2015, 11:45:39 AM
fyi... DVU schedule out with times finalized and posted. 3 nights games for DVU and a night home game on the schedule. Tough end of year with Lyco/Widy to finish out... http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2015/5/28/FB_15schedule.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 02, 2015, 12:44:26 PM
So I guess all of the standard questions apply for this season as well...

Will it be the normal 3 vying for the conference title?
Will Stevenson, Leb Val, Albright, Wilkes or Kings  get over the hump and have a win against one of the 3 and contend?
Will Miseracordia notch a quality win?

I guess the only non standard question, is did Del Val reload as JM predicted?

It stinks that no one in this conference announces recruits or transfers until right before the season
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 02, 2015, 02:05:02 PM
defense will be stout with a good chunk of returning starters... offense is going to have to replace many starters and defense will have to carry the way initially until the offense gets their legs under them and experience. Even if you get some top notch transfers it takes time to gel and a couple of games at least I think.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on June 02, 2015, 02:29:02 PM
FDU's new turf is being installed now...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 02, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: bill on June 02, 2015, 02:29:02 PM
FDU's new turf is being installed now...

Bill

Awesome to hear!  Hopefully that will make it more attractive to new recruits.

Not that it is applicable to FDU, but I remember my first time in East Orange at Upsala, walking onto/across the field.  There were bare patches and broken glass shards on the field...
In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't get mugged... :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 02, 2015, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: bman on June 02, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: bill on June 02, 2015, 02:29:02 PM
FDU's new turf is being installed now...

Bill

Awesome to hear!  Hopefully that will make it more attractive to new recruits.

Not that it is applicable to FDU, but I remember my first time in East Orange at Upsala, walking onto/across the field.  There were bare patches and broken glass shards on the field...
In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't get mugged... :)

The drawn-out suffering and death of Upsala is one of the sadder stories of higher education.  A few years ago I noticed that there was an active Upsala alumni association (perhaps it still exists).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 02, 2015, 04:13:03 PM
Quote from: bman on June 02, 2015, 12:44:26 PM

It stinks that no one in this conference announces recruits or transfers until right before the season

In recent years, LVC has published a pre-season roster well before August.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 03, 2015, 09:42:43 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on June 02, 2015, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: bman on June 02, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: bill on June 02, 2015, 02:29:02 PM
FDU's new turf is being installed now...

Bill

Awesome to hear!  Hopefully that will make it more attractive to new recruits.

Not that it is applicable to FDU, but I remember my first time in East Orange at Upsala, walking onto/across the field.  There were bare patches and broken glass shards on the field...
In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't get mugged... :)

The drawn-out suffering and death of Upsala is one of the sadder stories of higher education.  A few years ago I noticed that there was an active Upsala alumni association (perhaps it still exists).
There's a pretty good article out there in the www, along with pictures of the campus area years after it closed.  I'll try to dig it up and post the link.
I played against a guy in HS that was kicking 50+ yarders (he kicked a 52 yd field goal against us).  He ended up at Upsala, and if I remeber correctly, my freshman year at WU, he missed 2 extra points againts us, and was terrible...
perhaps it was the environment....

LVC is definitely not the norm in that regard.  I get the pros and cons of publishing early, but in the case of most of the MAC schools, there is very little being published about the upcoming season.  Most end of season and summer activity on the team's websites are focused on awards etc, from the previous year...
We could all learn from what Linfield, MSU and WW do in terms of public relations...It only helps recruiting etc...
...plus I get bored... ::)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on June 03, 2015, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: bman on June 02, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: bill on June 02, 2015, 02:29:02 PM
FDU's new turf is being installed now...

Bill

Awesome to hear!  Hopefully that will make it more attractive to new recruits.

Not that it is applicable to FDU, but I remember my first time in East Orange at Upsala, walking onto/across the field.  There were bare patches and broken glass shards on the field...
In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't get mugged... :)

Well, I don't think it will hurt :)

The old turf certainly wasn't a detriment, but we'll see about this version. We were going to go with all blue - but the folks at Boise shot us down. I still can't believe they're allowed to copyright/trademark a color...but that's a different post.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 03, 2015, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: bill on June 03, 2015, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: bman on June 02, 2015, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: bill on June 02, 2015, 02:29:02 PM
FDU's new turf is being installed now...

Bill

Awesome to hear!  Hopefully that will make it more attractive to new recruits.

Not that it is applicable to FDU, but I remember my first time in East Orange at Upsala, walking onto/across the field.  There were bare patches and broken glass shards on the field...
In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't get mugged... :)

Well, I don't think it will hurt :)

The old turf certainly wasn't a detriment, but we'll see about this version. We were going to go with all blue - but the folks at Boise shot us down. I still can't believe they're allowed to copyright/trademark a color...but that's a different post.

Interesting... thought I read somewhere awhile ago that the NCAA said no more colored turf. Think it was after that university somewhere in state of washington put in the atrocious bright red turf and the NCAA said only green turf from here on out for all schools....could be wrong  but thought I read that some where...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on June 03, 2015, 12:55:22 PM
PBR

That field is Eastern Washington...another ridiculous field is Central Arkansas with alternating purple and grey!

Anyhow, the issue is not with the NCAA but Field Turf and Boise State. Field turf, the largest manufacturer of fake grass, is in league with boise state. Boise state has first refusal with any field turf product that's NOT green. If you want another color, they have to approve. They guard the color blue very closely.
We sent in to Boise, and they said no way.
You could always go with another company, or dig in for a lawsuit with the others. I can't believe trademarking a color would hold up in court, but FDU certainly doesn't have the deep pockets needed to fight that one.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 03, 2015, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: bill on June 03, 2015, 12:55:22 PM
PBR

We sent in to Boise, and they said no way.

Because as we all know, ESPN would be confusing the coverage of FDU and Boise State forever afterwards....  :-X
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 05, 2015, 11:29:05 AM
As mentioned...pics of Upsala

http://abnf.co/NJ-upsala_college(dec_2000).htm (http://abnf.co/NJ-upsala_college(dec_2000).htm)

Sad
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 05, 2015, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: bman on June 05, 2015, 11:29:05 AM
As mentioned...pics of Upsala

http://abnf.co/NJ-upsala_college(dec_2000).htm (http://abnf.co/NJ-upsala_college(dec_2000).htm)

Sad

Sad, indeed. [Question: what's with all the vintage autos  in some of the photos? For all I know my family's 1948 Buick Special might well be somewhere in that collection.]
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on June 11, 2015, 10:23:16 AM
I keep trying to post photos of FDU's new turf installation...but the site gives me all kinds of "quota full" and other interesting messages. Does anyone else have this problem?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 19, 2015, 11:30:13 AM
http://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/654/673/3673654.jpg

Rasheed Bailey making a nice grab at Eagles OTA's....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 10, 2015, 04:06:30 PM
Very cool TV spot/story on Bailey working on with the Eagles with film of practice and he has been invited and is out in Cali working out with Mark Sanchez and others waiting for training camp to start... http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Football-Dream-Eagles-Signee-Rasheed-Bailey-312991741.html
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 14, 2015, 01:37:36 PM
Quote from: PBR... on July 10, 2015, 04:06:30 PM
Very cool TV spot/story on Bailey working on with the Eagles with film of practice and he has been invited and is out in Cali working out with Mark Sanchez and others waiting for training camp to start... http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Football-Dream-Eagles-Signee-Rasheed-Bailey-312991741.html

He looks so small...(but then again, so did Maclin)...
Hoping he can turn some heads...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 14, 2015, 01:43:59 PM
So on the D3 Poll, only 3 teams crack the poll:

#12  WU  (thought they'd be lower)
# 30 DV (seems right placed, although I see them getting stronger as the season procresses)
#38 Lyco (seems to be too low)

I need to start looking at the rosters as they get updated, but perhaps Dave can provide some commentary on Stevenson.  I feel like they need 1 big win, to get them over the hump...
Is this a more open race this year?

Kings?
Albright?
Leb Val resurgence?

and I am openly rooting for a 4 win season in Dallas PA this year...why the heck not!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 15, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: bman on July 14, 2015, 01:43:59 PM
So on the D3 Poll, only 3 teams crack the poll:

#12  WU  (thought they'd be lower)
# 30 DV (seems right placed, although I see them getting stronger as the season procresses)
#38 Lyco (seems to be too low)

I need to start looking at the rosters as they get updated, but perhaps Dave can provide some commentary on Stevenson.  I feel like they need 1 big win, to get them over the hump...
Is this a more open race this year?

Kings?
Albright?
Leb Val resurgence?

and I am openly rooting for a 4 win season in Dallas PA this year...why the heck not!

I am with you... I think WU is too high, I had them around 18-20 and DVC seems about right and Lyco a little low maybe 32-35? I know it's not easy to predict and have to look at returning people as well as incoming talent with the coaching staff so enjoy summer people. Have a ways to go yet before camp starts and people get back to footbal.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DELVALALUMNI on July 18, 2015, 11:43:48 PM
Despite loosing some very key guys to graduation,Delaware Valley will be tough this year. Coach Grecco has done a great job getting a few major recruits from Southeastern PA. I look forward to DV being a huge surprise this season.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 20, 2015, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: DELVALALUMNI on July 18, 2015, 11:43:48 PM
Despite loosing some very key guys to graduation,Delaware Valley will be tough this year. Coach Grecco has done a great job getting a few major recruits from Southeastern PA. I look forward to DV being a huge surprise this season.

Care to elaborate?

...and welcome to the board!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DELVALALUMNI on July 21, 2015, 09:27:47 AM
Thanks, Glad to join!

Honestly I have nothing concrete that I can elaborate on. Other than I been to a few spring practices & it looked like the team was coming together nicely.

I Really won't know much on who we have coming in as freshmen for sure until Aug,there are rumblings that Coach Grecco has gotten some preety good players from the Phila Area.

It would be nice if there was a list showing players who payed there down payment to attend DelVal,I see some of the others schools post that type of stuff.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on July 21, 2015, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: bman on July 14, 2015, 01:43:59 PM
So on the D3 Poll, only 3 teams crack the poll:

#12  WU  (thought they'd be lower)
# 30 DV (seems right placed, although I see them getting stronger as the season procresses)
#38 Lyco (seems to be too low)

I need to start looking at the rosters as they get updated, but perhaps Dave can provide some commentary on Stevenson.  I feel like they need 1 big win, to get them over the hump...
Is this a more open race this year?

Kings?
Albright?
Leb Val resurgence?

and I am openly rooting for a 4 win season in Dallas PA this year...why the heck not!

Should find out a lot about Stevenson in week two against Lycoming. They have that at home. Then travel to DelVal on Oct 10 and have Widener at home a couple of weeks later.

I would think that Albright could be a darkhorse too.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on July 21, 2015, 10:55:42 AM
Albright's schedule starts out tough with Salisbury, Widener and Lycoming the first three weeks.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 21, 2015, 02:55:31 PM
Delvalalum

got ya...

It kills me that most of the MAC does not list their recruits...that seems to be more of a thing in the midwest and and South...

Jason,  You're right...thats a brutal start for Albright...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on July 22, 2015, 09:00:58 AM
I saw that Lycoming had an article and list of their recruits in the Williamsport paper (or at least on the Sun Gazette app, since I like to follow the goings on in my birthplace.)

They are bringing in a class of 55, which they felt was bigger than most years. Clark was quoted as saying they will need some of the newcomers to fill roles quickly.

The quarterback, Jenny, will  have to be replaced. There was only one QB on the recruit list though I think they may have a misprint since I noticed that they picked up Zach Smith (listed as DB in the article.)

Smith was the back up at Wesley last year to Joe Callahan and I was impressed with him when he played. He was 13-of-16 for 174 and 4 TDs in mostly mop up duty. He also loves to keep the ball on the read option and ran 20 times for 82 yards. He runs the ball hard.

Lyco has three other QBs on last year's roster. I think Whiteman is the only one that has seen game action. The other two were freshman and played JV according to their website.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 22, 2015, 09:56:03 AM
Awesome...the first real MAC news since the season ended...Thanks!

+K
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 24, 2015, 09:39:37 AM
Saw that Del Val U's president is retiring.  Any expectation that this affects focus on football?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DELVALALUMNI on July 24, 2015, 01:56:32 PM
bman,

Not quite sure Mr.Brosnan retirement will affect DelVal football at all. He has done a wonderful job the last 8-9 yrs & IMO he leaves the institution in far better shape than when he became president. He is not slated to step down for another 13 months.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on July 27, 2015, 02:55:02 PM
The following was posted on July 10th on Lycoming Football .com...

http://www.lycomingfootball.com/2015/07/lycoming-football-warriors-announce.html

Schools, positions, heights and weights...

Enjoy...Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 01, 2015, 11:29:54 AM
Quote from: Simba on July 27, 2015, 02:55:02 PM
The following was posted on July 10th on Lycoming Football .com...

http://www.lycomingfootball.com/2015/07/lycoming-football-warriors-announce.html

Schools, positions, heights and weights...

Enjoy...Simba

Simba
One of your freshman LB recruits is the son of a friend of mine.  Quality kid.
He looked at Widener, but chose Lycoming due to financials and a better academic fit.
You have a great recruit there.
I'll root for him, but not for your alma mater!

Thanks for the post
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DELVALALUMNI on August 01, 2015, 01:58:51 PM
bman,

Any word on Widener's incoming freshman class yet?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 12, 2015, 04:56:18 PM
DVALALUMNI

Apologies, went on a 2 week excursion, RVing 3000 miles through the west.  Connectivity was a huge issue out there.
Mums the word out of WU, and I am not sure why.  I'll be making a few calls this week.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 16, 2015, 10:56:09 PM
Nice game for Rasheed Bailey today as the Eagles played Indianapolis in their first preseason game.

Check out Del Val's coverage (http://athletics.delval.edu/news/2015/8/16/FB_0816150329.aspx) with a link to a nifty one-hand grab.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on August 17, 2015, 09:08:25 AM
Wow Gordan thanks for sharing this! Dlip wishes Rasheed all the luck in the world. What a great story!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 20, 2015, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: DELVALALUMNI on August 01, 2015, 01:58:51 PM
bman,

Any word on Widener's incoming freshman class yet?

Looks ok from what I can see.  I am not that close to the program anymore.  I inquired through a buddy (ex all-American and active alum), and coach Kelly replied directly back to me.  They don't publish the commits or signings until they are in camp and are sure they are going to stick around.  I get that (makes total sense), but doesn't give us a lot to chew on.
If the signing rule gets changed, then there will be a lot more info on Hudl to review...
I give coach Kelly kudos for taking the time to send a note back out to me...he didn't have to do that.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 21, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
What does Lyco Football in the 90's and this year's Little League World Series have in common?

http://athletics.lycoming.edu/news/2015/8/20/FOOT_0820150241.aspx

Congratulations Mid-Atlantic Champions Red Land Little League and manager Tom Peifer!

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 21, 2015, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: Simba on August 21, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
What does Lyco Football in the 90's and this year's Little League World Series have in common?

http://athletics.lycoming.edu/news/2015/8/20/FOOT_0820150241.aspx

Congratulations Mid-Atlantic Champions Red Land Little League and manager Tom Peifer!

Simba

They take place in the Williamsport area? :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 24, 2015, 12:07:38 PM
Rasheed Bailey from DVU (hard not to put DVC in there) is really starting to turn heads in the NFL... He has looked very good in both games for the Eagles so far. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150824_Rasheed_Bailey_trying_to_catch_on_with_Eagles.html   Early hunch is he makes the practice squad but if he keeps going at this pace he could have a good chance to be on the roster.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 24, 2015, 03:56:36 PM
Quote from: PBR... on August 24, 2015, 12:07:38 PM
Rasheed Bailey from DVU (hard not to put DVC in there) is really starting to turn heads in the NFL... He has looked very good in both games for the Eagles so far. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150824_Rasheed_Bailey_trying_to_catch_on_with_Eagles.html   Early hunch is he makes the practice squad but if he keeps going at this pace he could have a good chance to be on the roster.

I would agree.  He could cement that with 2 more good games.  I also liked seeing that he was with the 2s and didn't spend much time with the 3s and 4s...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 24, 2015, 05:20:34 PM
Quote from: bman on August 24, 2015, 03:56:36 PM
Quote from: PBR... on August 24, 2015, 12:07:38 PM
Rasheed Bailey from DVU (hard not to put DVC in there) is really starting to turn heads in the NFL... He has looked very good in both games for the Eagles so far. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150824_Rasheed_Bailey_trying_to_catch_on_with_Eagles.html   Early hunch is he makes the practice squad but if he keeps going at this pace he could have a good chance to be on the roster.

I would agree.  He could cement that with 2 more good games.  I also liked seeing that he was with the 2s and didn't spend much time with the 3s and 4s...

Listened to kelly's presser today and he had numerous questions about Bailey and his performance and had nothing but positive and glowing things to say about him. Looks really good so far for him. Pretty confident he at a complete minimum on the eagles practice squad or someone else's and depending on the next 2 games whether he makes the active roster
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 25, 2015, 09:55:22 AM
I heard that Widener scrimmage Salisbury this past weekend, anyone know how the games went? Interested to see how Widener is looking this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 27, 2015, 10:45:09 AM
Best Kick-Off I have ever read this year.   I'm only through an eighth of it, but already have a great foundation for the year.  And the NJAC will be fascinating this year as well.  Without giving away the farm (you should be reading Kick-off yourselves), this is Pat/Keith's prediction for the MAC.  I have revised my prediction below it.  Thoughts/comments/ridicule welcome:

Team Predicted record

Widener                       10-0, 9-0
Lycoming                       8-2, 7-2
Stevenson                      7-3, 7-2
Delaware Valley              5-5, 5-4
Albright                          5-5, 5-4
King's                             5-5, 4-5
Lebanon Valley                4-6, 4-5
Wilkes                            3-7, 3-6
Misericordia                    1-9, 1-8
FDU-Florham                 0-10, 0-9



Brian's Prediction:

Widener                         9-1, 9-0
Lycoming                       8-2, 7-2
Stevenson                      8-2, 7-2
Delaware Valley              6-4, 5-4
Albright                          5-5, 5-4
King's                             4-6, 4-5
Lebanon Valley                3-7, 3-6
Wilkes                             3-7, 3-6
Misericordia                     1-9, 1-8
FDU-Florham                  0-10, 0-9



Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2015, 11:00:35 AM
You can also comment on the pages within Kickoff. There have been a couple on some pages and we'd love to have more.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 27, 2015, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2015, 11:00:35 AM
You can also comment on the pages within Kickoff. There have been a couple on some pages and we'd love to have more.

Thanks Pat, Will do.  I wasn't sure if that was a no-no, so I limited to your prediction, but definitely more than a few things to discuss here...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on August 29, 2015, 11:57:01 AM
I think Lyco vs. Stevenson week 2 will be a VERY interesting. I'm a Lyco grad and my kid (gal) is a freshman at Stevenson.  But here is the quick fact page from the Stevenson athletic page. http://gomustangsports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/2015_Quick_Facts.pdf

They were young last year when they made the run so with an extra year under their belts could make it interesting. I do agree Widener looks like on paper the top dog but where everyone finishes after that could be fun.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2015, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: wone3 on August 29, 2015, 11:57:01 AM
I think Lyco vs. Stevenson week 2 will be a VERY interesting. I'm a Lyco grad and my kid (gal) is a freshman at Stevenson.  But here is the quick fact page from the Stevenson athletic page. http://gomustangsports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/2015_Quick_Facts.pdf

They were young last year when they made the run so with an extra year under their belts could make it interesting. I do agree Widener looks like on paper the top dog but where everyone finishes after that could be fun.

Or you can read a preview of Lyco, Stevenson and the entire MAC by subscribing to Kickoff: http://www.d3football.com/secure/2015/MAC/Stevenson/index :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on August 31, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
A true Warrior comes back to coach instead of play his senior year at Lyco and the reason why....

http://wnep.com/2015/08/30/college-football-player-saves-dads-life-loses-leg/

God Bless him and his family...

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 31, 2015, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: Simba on August 31, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
A true Warrior comes back to coach instead of play his senior year at Lyco and the reason why....

http://wnep.com/2015/08/30/college-football-player-saves-dads-life-loses-leg/

God Bless him and his family...

Simba

Awesome Story Simba! Much props to this young man.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 05, 2015, 07:53:02 AM
I am heading to the Widener/Rowan game today, it is a short 10 min walk for me.  I will be interested to see the new offense for the Pride.  I expect this to be a good game.  Rowan brings a pretty strong defense and will likely run the ball or try to run the ball a lot with their stud running back.  And the weather is going to be nice, the heat wave finally broke.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 05, 2015, 10:56:22 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 05, 2015, 07:53:02 AM
I am heading to the Widener/Rowan game today, it is a short 10 min walk for me.  I will be interested to see the new offense for the Pride.  I expect this to be a good game.  Rowan brings a pretty strong defense and will likely run the ball or try to run the ball a lot with their stud running back.  And the weather is going to be nice, the heat wave finally broke.
Wish I was there...
Hopefully I'll be able to get the live stream broadcast from Cortland St.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 05, 2015, 04:33:49 PM
Did not see that happening after the first half.  Rowan showed nothing on offense trailing 10-3.  First drive in second half takes 3 mins and 75 yards and tie the game at 10.  Marcellin goes 85 yards and it is 17-10.  Int returned for TD 24-10 and game over.  The d line dominated the second half.  They had Klein running for his life most of it.  The only plays that worked for Widener were when he avoided pressure and his receivers got open.  Rowan stopped Widener inside the 5 twice, once stripping the ball from the runner and the second stuffing a 4th and QB sneak.  Rowan has Marcellin and not much else on offense.  The QB is average and the receivers are not fast to get deep.  The defense will keep them in games as I expected and they are going to hand it to Marcellin and hope he breaks enough to win games.  Excellent second half for Rowan.  As for Widener, the defense is good, only giving up the 85 yard TD run and the 30+ run, kept Marcellin in check the rest of the game.  The O line was dominated in the second half.  Klein is good and sliding around pressure and giving receivers chances to get open.  The running game is so so and the receivers are small.  They had chances to put game away and didnt.  I am not sure about the QB sneak call on 4th and 1, not getting in was the game changer since the 85 yard TD run came after that stop.  Widener is good, but the offense will have to improve to beat top level teams.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 06, 2015, 01:15:20 AM
I was traveling and not at the Del Val vs. Montclair State game today but got a few in game and post game updates from some friends. I have to say that I was stunned by the result. Montclair brought a lot of starters back on both sides of the ball, Del Val had only ONE returning offensive starter and only five or six on defense, and lost their stud kicker as well. I really thought the loss of Aaron Wilmer, Rasheed Bailey, Chris Smallwood and 4/5 of the offensive line would be way too much against a stout, veteran Montclair defense.

I also thought that the revenge factor would be huge in benefiting Montclair. I guess that's why they play the game though. As young and inexperienced (a lot of freshman saw significant time today) as the Aggies are, this game was huge in building confidence going forward. Let's hope it didn't deflate Montclair as the likes of Wesley, Rowan, CNU and Salisbury await.

Per my buddies, several of the Aggies after the game mentioned how they had never been involved in a game with so much much sideline trash talk. I was told that this is what led to the end of game throat slash gesture by Del Val's freshman wide receiver (who did get a 15 yard unsportsmanlike like penalty). He had enough of the taunting, cursing and Bailey comparisons all day. Mentions of "being lucky" last year. Mentions of "knocking someone's head off". A lot of "Vinnie from Bayonne" kind of stuff. It served as some motivation at the half and the Aggies built 10 point leads on two occasions. When that kind of talk backfires, it's a tough pill to swallow. Anybody can talk the talk.......it's all about walking the walk. I'm a bit old school but I'd bet Sam Mills let his play do all of his talking. He was a hero of mine growing up in NJ.

Sometimes a team just has your number, even when significantly depleted by the loss of significant senior talent. Del Val just does have Montclair's number. I'm looking forward to seeing both team's trajectory from here.

GO AGGIES!!! What an unexpected start to a transition season. Maybe the massive rebuild is more like a reload :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 07, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
Bummed to see that Bailey was not included on the Eagles practice squad.  Martino was included, who seemed much less effective.  I am assuming that it's due to his speed.  Ultimately I think that's what doomed Rasheed.  Hopefully he can hook on with another team.  Maybe CFL?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 11, 2015, 03:42:57 PM
Week Two Predictions:

Widener - 38      King's - 10
Lycoming - 24     Stevenson - 20
LebVal - 27         Misericordia - 17
DelVal - 21          Wilkes - 20

I also have first dibs on Wisconsin and Mount Youngstown State Union meeting in the Stagg Bowl. The rest of you can choose anybody else in the field :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 11, 2015, 08:12:16 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 11, 2015, 03:42:57 PM
Week Two Predictions:

Widener - 38      King's - 10
Lycoming - 24     Stevenson - 20
LebVal - 27         Misericordia - 17
DelVal - 21          Wilkes - 20

I also have first dibs on Wisconsin and Mount Youngstown State Union meeting in the Stagg Bowl. The rest of you can choose anybody else in the field :)

My Picks

Widener - 17       King's - 14
Stevenson - 28    Lycoming - 20     
LebVal - 35         Misericordia - 30
DelVal - 28          Wilkes - 7

You certainly didn't go out on a limb on that Stagg Bowl did you...:)
I'll Take
Linfield vs MU
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 11, 2015, 09:52:25 PM
Nice win by Wilkes tonight.  What a surprise..
I was a little off on my pick... :o
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 11, 2015, 10:00:51 PM
Yep. Growing pains for the young Aggies.

They went 0-for-5 in the red zone and, other than the first time, they were never close to scoring, as odd as that sounds.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 12, 2015, 11:08:39 AM
Gordon, thanks so much for your Aggie/Wilkes game take.  Congratulations to Wilkes.  Please forgive this FB kind of post, but I was counting on the Aggies to lift my sport's mood after the Serena loss.  I underestimated the loss of Aaron and Rasheed.  Hopefully, the rest of the season picks up, especially after that fantastic Montclair win.  At least the Wilkes video didn't include audio :(.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 12, 2015, 01:58:27 PM
Sorry for the double, but somewhere CJ is very happy :)!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 12, 2015, 04:19:56 PM
We'll , FDU is still in this conference for football :D [/url], and actually beat TCNJ today!!

Great job coming off a brutal 2014....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 12, 2015, 06:34:50 PM
Quote from: bill on September 12, 2015, 04:19:56 PM
We'll , FDU is still in this conference for football :D [/url], and actually beat TCNJ today!!

Great job coming off a brutal 2014....
Please beat Lyco also...:)


...And Del Val and Stevenson while you're at it...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 13, 2015, 12:03:32 AM
Widener should have nothing to worry about unless they REALLY underestimate anyone in the conference or suffer some really bad injuries. Lyco looks like they are gonna have a tough year ( I do realize they are young in a lot of spots this year) after the loss today to Stevenson (which I called a few weeks ago). The questions will be how the rest of the league plays against each other.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on September 14, 2015, 04:15:08 PM
Lycoming struggling on both sides of the ball. Not a typical start for their program. Will be interested to see how they bounce back in the next few weeks. Widener might already have the league wrapped up.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 14, 2015, 05:03:34 PM
It's probably too early to conclude Widener will run away with the division, though I do think they'll win it. Based on the very early results, Stevenson and Albright should give them a challenge.

And kudos to FDU for hitting the front page of D3football today. Pressley is a beast.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 14, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
What are the odds that Stevenson won't be dominating the Commonwealth in most sports in the near future?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 15, 2015, 07:47:22 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 14, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
What are the odds that Stevenson won't be dominating the Commonwealth in most sports in the near future?

They already do in Women's Volleyball and Lacrosse I think both Women and Men. Stevenson plays Widener at home for football for their combo homecoming/family weekend in late October which will be interesting. I still think Widener has too much for them this year but it will be fun to watch the next few years.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 15, 2015, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 14, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
What are the odds that Stevenson won't be dominating the Commonwealth in most sports in the near future?

Not too big, as long as Messiah stays in the conference  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 17, 2015, 11:21:26 AM
Quote from: wone3 on September 15, 2015, 07:47:22 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 14, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
What are the odds that Stevenson won't be dominating the Commonwealth in most sports in the near future?

They already do in Women's Volleyball and Lacrosse I think both Women and Men. Stevenson plays Widener at home for football for their combo homecoming/family weekend in late October which will be interesting. I still think Widener has too much for them this year but it will be fun to watch the next few years.

They dominate in men's lacrosse, though the gap is closing with some teams. They don't dominate in women's lacrosse - that is a two to three headed race at the top, though the conference is average per the nation. Women's lacrosse they are very good in conference wise, but above average nationally. It's all perspective, really.

As for homecoming... amazingly one of only two games that weekend at Stevenson. Last year almost every (or every) fall sport played Friday or Saturday. Nuts.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on September 17, 2015, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 14, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
What are the odds that Stevenson won't be dominating the Commonwealth in most sports in the near future?

If you look at the location of their school and what they can offer academically and athletically with facilities etc., they should be dominating the league but they don't. Messiah dominates in almost every sport. Lycoming historically does in football. Basketball is always a toss up but it's been Alvernia, Messiah and Lycoming lately. Soccer has been and will continue to be Messiah and Lycoming for mens and Messiah for womens. So aside from lacrosse and a good start to football this year I don't see any trends or factors setting up Stevenson to become the next Messiah.

As said above though, it's really all perspective.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 17, 2015, 02:27:33 PM
While I agree on some of your points and being that I am contracted to oversee their video production does give me some perspective... I think you are down playing Stevenson's basketball teams a bit too much considering the men have been in the title game the last two years (and yes, under performed expectations) and the women won the title last year.

Messiah is Messiah. They are good at all sports and dominate in ones like soccer. However, Stevenson women did "beat" Messiah in a shootout for the title last year in soccer. That being said, Messiah never rebuilds... they just reload and that makes them dangerous in soccer every single year. Messiah basketball has also been at the top of the heap more years than not and Messiah is coming around nicely in lacrosse.

And that is what is really makes a quality program... when they are reloading and not rebuilding every year. Many teams in the conference, even in football, are streaky. It wasn't that long ago LVC basketball was one of the best... last year they were barely talked about. Nothing against some of the football teams in this conference, but I am amazed at how streaky they are. Great one year, disappointing the next, surprising the following, etc. Widener is usually always in the conversation, but even they can have years where you are scratching your head. That isn't a knock on the conference as having the same team dominate (Mount Union) can be a detriment or at least demoralizing. However, other conferences (OAC) have shown that some programs also use that dominance to improve themselves.

Back to your point... can Stevenson be the next Messiah? Who knows. That is certainly their goal... but there are so many factors including other programs in this conference who want to have the same success that will make a large difference.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 17, 2015, 07:42:27 PM
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on September 17, 2015, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 14, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
What are the odds that Stevenson won't be dominating the Commonwealth in most sports in the near future?

If you look at the location of their school and what they can offer academically and athletically with facilities etc., they should be dominating the league but they don't. Messiah dominates in almost every sport. Lycoming historically does in football. Basketball is always a toss up but it's been Alvernia, Messiah and Lycoming lately. Soccer has been and will continue to be Messiah and Lycoming for mens and Messiah for womens. So aside from lacrosse and a good start to football this year I don't see any trends or factors setting up Stevenson to become the next Messiah.

As said above though, it's really all perspective.

Football is only in its 5th or 6th year and not sure how long the other sports have been out there, so it is still young and new. It does take a bit to build up a powerhouse and convince kids to come. Who would you rather play for at their age, a "proven" winner who is usually at the top year after year; or be a starter or founder of a sport at a new school, knowing the potential is there for some rough years ahead and you might not see success while there. I agree about Messiah and soccer; they are a juggernaut (not unlike what Juanita was in Women's Volleyball when they were in the league).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 17, 2015, 08:14:41 PM
I agree football in this league is streaky but it has had "cycles". Lyco was the historic bigwig for a while as the only team to win the league  and everyone was chasing them; but that hasn't been the case since mid to late 90's after their 2 Stagg bowl appearances. Since then it usually has been a potential 2- 3 teams ( then the rest of the league) and Lyco has not been the dominate one for sure. They have had to scoreboard watch to see if they share a portion of the title or have finished just outside the title realm. Usually it had been either Del Valley or Widener that has won the title out right or shared it with either the other team or Lyco. Stevenson is building and their QB this year is only a sophomore. I'm not ready to move them up there; but if they consistently play like they did last year and the start of this year, then they should move into the title talk in the next few years.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 18, 2015, 09:41:03 AM
Well, here's our trip down memory lane. I arbitrarily started in 1990:

2014 - Widener
2013 - Lycoming, Lebanon Valley
2012 - Widener
2011 - Delaware Valley
2010 - Delaware Valley
2009 - Delaware Valley
2008 - Delaware Valley, Albright, Lycoming
2007 - Widener
2006 - Wilkes
2005 - Delaware valley
2004 - Delaware Valley
2003 - Lycoming
2002 - King's and Widener
2001 - Widener
2000 - Widener
1999 - Lycoming
1998 - Lycoming
1997 - Lycoming and Albright
1996 - Lycoming
1995 - Widener
1994 - Widener
1993 - Wilkes
1992 - Lycoming
1991 - Lycoming
1990 - Lycoming

Lycoming:10 titles, 3 shared
Widener: 8; 1 shared
Del Val:6; 1 shared
Wilkes has won twice, Albright shared twice.

That's about it...with a sprinkling of Kings and Leb Val
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 18, 2015, 10:24:42 AM
Quote from: bill on September 18, 2015, 09:41:03 AM
Well, here's our trip down memory lane. I arbitrarily started in 1990:

2014 - Widener
2013 - Lycoming, Lebanon Valley
2012 - Widener
2011 - Delaware Valley
2010 - Delaware Valley
2009 - Delaware Valley
2008 - Delaware Valley, Albright, Lycoming
2007 - Widener
2006 - Wilkes
2005 - Delaware valley
2004 - Delaware Valley
2003 - Lycoming
2002 - King's and Widener
2001 - Widener
2000 - Widener
1999 - Lycoming
1998 - Lycoming
1997 - Lycoming and Albright
1996 - Lycoming
1995 - Widener
1994 - Widener
1993 - Wilkes
1992 - Lycoming
1991 - Lycoming
1990 - Lycoming

Lycoming:10 titles, 3 shared
Widener: 8; 1 shared
Del Val:6; 1 shared
Wilkes has won twice, Albright shared twice.

That's about it...with a sprinkling of Kings and Leb Val

If for nothing else...to be thorough..:
1989 - Lycoming and Susquehanna
1988 - Moravian and Widener
1987 - Susquehanna and Widener
1986 - Susquehanna
1985 - Lycoming
1984 - Widener
1983 - Susquehanna
1982 - North: Delaware Valley and Lycoming
1982 - South: Widener and Swarthmore
1981 - North: Delaware Valley and Juniata
1981 - South: Widener
1980 - North: Delaware Valley
1980 - South: Widener
1979 - North: Lycoming
1979 - South: Widener
1978 - North: Lycoming
1978 - South: Widener
1977 - North: Albright
1977 - South: Widener
1976 - North: Albright
1976 - South: Franklin & Marshall
1975 - North: Albright
1975 - South:
1974 - North: Wilkes
1974 - South: Franklin & Marshall
1973 - North: Juniata
1973 - South: Franklin & Marshall
1972 - North: Albright
1972 - South: Franklin & Marshall
1971 - North: Upsala
1971 - South: Franklin & Marshall
1970 - North: Susquehanna 
1970 - South: Moravian
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 18, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: bill on September 18, 2015, 09:41:03 AM
Well, here's our trip down memory lane. I arbitrarily started in 1990:

2014 - Widener
2013 - Lycoming, Lebanon Valley
2012 - Widener
2011 - Delaware Valley
2010 - Delaware Valley
2009 - Delaware Valley
2008 - Delaware Valley, Albright, Lycoming
2007 - Widener
2006 - Wilkes
2005 - Delaware valley
2004 - Delaware Valley
2003 - Lycoming
2002 - King's and Widener
2001 - Widener
2000 - Widener
1999 - Lycoming
1998 - Lycoming
1997 - Lycoming and Albright
1996 - Lycoming
1995 - Widener
1994 - Widener
1993 - Wilkes
1992 - Lycoming
1991 - Lycoming
1990 - Lycoming

Lycoming:10 titles, 3 shared
Widener: 8; 1 shared
Del Val:6; 1 shared
Wilkes has won twice, Albright shared twice.

That's about it...with a sprinkling of Kings and Leb Val

Thank you for helping to prove my point about cycles...My mention was the 2 Stagg bowl appearances by Lyco which were 90 and 97. I honestly forgot Lyco won the league title the next 2 years (98 and 99) but if you start in the 2000's it has been for the most part Widener or Del Valley with Lyco dropping off to only 1 outright and 2 shares in the past 15 years and a smattering of others in there.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 18, 2015, 03:47:08 PM
Thanks bman for posting Lyco's first back to back MAC'S in 78 and 79...I just put Springsteen's Glory Days on the stereo!...Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 18, 2015, 05:13:11 PM
bman, if my aged memory still works, had you gone back to 1969, you might have discovered that LVC, with a season record of 6-2, was a MAC South (or whatever) champion. [But as I said, my memory of those days ain't too perfect.  :'(]
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 18, 2015, 08:20:14 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 18, 2015, 05:13:11 PM
bman, if my aged memory still works, had you gone back to 1969, you might have discovered that LVC, with a season record of 6-2, was a MAC South (or whatever) champion. [But as I said, my memory of those days ain't too perfect.  :'(]
Warren
It didn't go back that far.... ::)

Simba

On the stereo?  Really?

Oh my... ;)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 18, 2015, 11:38:06 PM
bman....Any excuse to give my better half of 33yrs a reason to air-out my Bose 901's on a Friday afternoon, I will do....I then followed that song up with The Warrior by Scandal from back in the day while enjoying a few locally made beverages by my good friend Dick Yuengling!...Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2015, 09:15:33 AM
Quote from: Simba on September 18, 2015, 11:38:06 PM
bman....Any excuse to give my better half of 33yrs a reason to air-out my Bose 901's on a Friday afternoon, I will do....I then followed that song up with The Warrior by Scandal from back in the day while enjoying a few locally made beverages by my good friend Dick Yuengling!...Simba
+K
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 19, 2015, 10:25:57 AM
Widener/Albright and Stevenson/ Leb Val looked to be interesting today.  Can Albright step into the top of the MAC by beating Widener.  Does Stevenson keep its upward movement at Leb Val.  The results will be interesting.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2015, 11:28:47 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 19, 2015, 10:25:57 AM
Widener/Albright and Stevenson/ Leb Val looked to be interesting today.  Can Albright step into the top of the MAC by beating Widener.  Does Stevenson keep its upward movement at Leb Val.  The results will be interesting.
These will certainly start to tell us the true relative strengths, and whether the earlier wins/losses were relevant or not...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 19, 2015, 02:38:40 PM
Widener looks SLOW....
They seem to go back to plays that they executed when they had players that could separate...Albright is handling that with little problem...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 19, 2015, 03:53:20 PM
Can you say sloppy game with Stevenson/LVC and not due to rain!!!! Neither team did themselves favors this week. 8 turnovers by LVC (4 INT and 4 Fumbles) and 4 turnovers by Stevenson plus over 100 yrds of penalties. Looks like a long week of practice for both teams to clear up issues. Stevenson still pulled it out 17-14.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 19, 2015, 03:55:38 PM
I'm shocked with the Widener score tho....wow 27-10 Albright with Widener's TD right at the end of the game??? It looks to be a crazy year here in the MAC folks.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 20, 2015, 08:37:50 AM
Looks like Albright has stepped to the top of the MAC with their big win over Widener yesterday.  Stevenson also won, bu according to reports did not look too good doing so.  Looks like the MAC will be a week to week joy to watch.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 20, 2015, 11:25:05 AM
What a week in the MAC! Still early in the season, but this week gave us a good indication of who are players in the title chase. Although the season can change with unfortunate injuries and upsets, it looks like November 7 could be a date to remember when Albright travels to Stevenson. Maybe it ends up being the unofficial title game this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2015, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 20, 2015, 11:25:05 AM
What a week in the MAC! Still early in the season, but this week gave us a good indication of who are players in the title chase. Although the season can change with unfortunate injuries and upsets, it looks like November 7 could be a date to remember when Albright travels to Stevenson. Maybe it ends up being the unofficial title game this year.

Stevenson didn't look like the champions of anything yesterday in a close win over an opponent that "featured" eight -- count 'em, eight -- turnovers.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 20, 2015, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2015, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 20, 2015, 11:25:05 AM
What a week in the MAC! Still early in the season, but this week gave us a good indication of who are players in the title chase. Although the season can change with unfortunate injuries and upsets, it looks like November 7 could be a date to remember when Albright travels to Stevenson. Maybe it ends up being the unofficial title game this year.

Stevenson didn't look like the champions of anything yesterday in a close win over an opponent that "featured" eight -- count 'em, eight -- turnovers.

"Down goes Weisman......Down goes Weisman"!! The Hall of Famer/All American poster takes down the JV Player.........on his first post. Ouch!!!!! :)
Don't worry kid, you may just have the last laugh.......but I doubt it  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 20, 2015, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2015, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 20, 2015, 11:25:05 AM
What a week in the MAC! Still early in the season, but this week gave us a good indication of who are players in the title chase. Although the season can change with unfortunate injuries and upsets, it looks like November 7 could be a date to remember when Albright travels to Stevenson. Maybe it ends up being the unofficial title game this year.

Stevenson didn't look like the champions of anything yesterday in a close win over an opponent that "featured" eight -- count 'em, eight -- turnovers.

"Down goes Weisman......Down goes Weisman"!! The Hall of Famer/All American poster takes down the JV Player.........on his first post. Ouch!!!!! :)
Don't worry kid, you may just have the last laugh.......but I doubt it  ;)

I wasn't trying to make a fool of Mr. Weisman, but rather attempting to say that it's a bit early for championship talk.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 20, 2015, 05:07:15 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 20, 2015, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 20, 2015, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 20, 2015, 11:25:05 AM
What a week in the MAC! Still early in the season, but this week gave us a good indication of who are players in the title chase. Although the season can change with unfortunate injuries and upsets, it looks like November 7 could be a date to remember when Albright travels to Stevenson. Maybe it ends up being the unofficial title game this year.

Stevenson didn't look like the champions of anything yesterday in a close win over an opponent that "featured" eight -- count 'em, eight -- turnovers.

"Down goes Weisman......Down goes Weisman"!! The Hall of Famer/All American poster takes down the JV Player.........on his first post. Ouch!!!!! :)
Don't worry kid, you may just have the last laugh.......but I doubt it  ;)

I wasn't trying to make a fool of Mr. Weisman, but rather attempting to say that it's a bit early for championship talk.

I never said that you were, just found it funny (it's a Philly kid's take on "Down Goes Frazier"), this board should be very light and fun, it's D3 football for God's sake :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 20, 2015, 07:47:45 PM
I do agree that it is way early for title talk; but if those 2 were to win out then it would come down to that.

Still way too much to go, Stevenson has to go to Del Valley October 10 and play Widener at home on Oct 24 with the week off in between those 2 games. I think Albright has the lead in the clubhouse tho since they beat Widener. Wilkes could be a dark horse since they beat Del Valley already even tho Del Valley couldn't do their thing in deep. There's still a lot to play and a fun season ahead in what seems like a wide open conference as of now.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 22, 2015, 05:07:43 PM
FACTOID....
Albright has been victorious over Lycoming in only four games since 1978...There was one tie...All four of those victories came in the only years Lyco has had a loosing record (after 2004)...

If the Warriors play the way they did the second half against Wilkes the remainder of the season (down 21-20 at the half), they will be hard to beat and will contend for their 15th MAC Championship!..Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 22, 2015, 06:45:55 PM
Ummm Simba,

This is one where I hate to burst the bubble but gotta do it even as a Lyco 90's alum.

The Lycoming secondary has gotten picked apart it seems regularly. They have given up 259,307 and 357 yards passing in the past 3 games.  I was at the Stevenson game (my kid is in the color guard in the band there) and it was 28-7 right before half and the deluge hit. The Stevenson QB had time (only sacked 2x) and found his target 3x deep, the 4th TD was a Pick6.  Outside Lyco's Senior WR and maybe the starting RB, Lyco seemed to have had little to answer on the offense side and they need to have it if the D is going to give up that many points consistently. Course this was only game 2 and it looked like they found a spurt in the Wilkes game.

Lycoming has to get by Widener (top 8 defense this week) and Del Valley ( who is in top 50 of scoring defense) as well and it seems that one or both seemed to have their number in the past years. Granted strange things are happening this season; but it's gonna take a LOT for Lycoming to be title hunting this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 22, 2015, 07:58:10 PM
wone3...

My point had nothing to do with the first two games...

If the Warriors play the way they did the second half against Wilkes...

Wilkes in the 2nd half...             Lyco in the 2nd half...
PUNT.                                           TD
PUNT.                                           TD
FG.                                                PUNT
DOWNS.                                       INT
INT.                                               PUNT
INT.                                                TD                                 
PUNT.                                            TD
PUNT.                                           PUNT

With only 57 total rushing yards on 33 attempts (1.7/rush), of course they had to pass!!!

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 23, 2015, 03:41:28 PM
My point tho Simba; was that yeah you scored well against an average D at best with not a lot of offensive firepower unless you got some other guys to REALLY step up after what I saw in game 2 against Stevenson. Stevenson has a better than average D and Lyco got shutdown in that game.  You still have 2 better Defenses on the schedule with Widener and Del Valley, both appearing in top 50 of D3 stats this week. Just saying temper those thoughts because Lyco is in a DEEP hole to even think about title consideration.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 24, 2015, 11:08:14 AM
How about some predictions for the week?

Games
Wilkes @  FDU-Florham      This depends on which Wilkes team shows up...The Wilkes team that shut down DVU?  Or the Wilkes that got crushed by an average Muhlenberg team, and blew a lead to a young Lyco squad.   The easy pick here is to take Wilkes here based on pedigree...however, FDU Florham has a taste of victory this year, despite their gut wrenching loss to Kings last week... In case you didn't see it, FDU had an 8 minute 18 second drive late in the 4th Q to go up 7, and Kings responded with an 8 Play 65 yard drive in 54 seconds to tie it up late, and scored to win it in the first OT...That close  in spite of their starting QB Tyler Maurer not playing after the second quarter...(not sure if it's due to injury or another issue)
That being said, assuming Tyler Maurer will play and I'll pick FDU Florham in an upset 35-31...if not all bets are off ;)

Lebanon Valley @ Widener   There have been some great games between these two in the past...
Leb Val, lost to a solid Franklin and Marshall team that is 3-0 (with 3 solid wins), and barely to Stevenson a game in which Mr. Thompson would like to forget...however, it is clear that this is a good team.
Widener has a very good defense, yet no speed on offense and a suspect O line.  It is at home, yet a night game...and I don't remember too many WU night game wins...
In such, I don't think WU will still get it completely together yet, leading to a Lebanon Valley (upset?) in a lower scoring affair 21-20

Albright  @ Lycoming      Well we all know tough tough tough it is to play in Williamsport.   However Lyco has struggled this year.  The real question is:  Was that scouring onslaught in the 2nd half against Wilkes was an indicator of things getting back on track?  Simba says Yes Wone3 says No!  I tend to agree with Wone3.  As the Phila Eagles can attest, 1 good quarter, doesn't particularly mean future success.  especially as 2 of those were defensive touchdowns...   Albright has never seemed to get over the hump though, and has always had one loss that took a MAC title away.   This year so far seems different.  A great comeback win against a very competitive Salisbury team, and a dominating win last week, seems to say that Albright dominates this one.   I'll take the away victory for Albright 27-14

Misericordia  @   Stevenson    I root for Misericordia...I really do.  They stayed pretty close to a good Utica team (we'll see how good this week after they play Cortland St...), which I though may indicate a change for the better.  Subsequent losses to Lebanon Valley and Delaware Valley  indicate that they will stay pretty close to where they normally fall, however the losses were not by as large of a margin as they have been.  Maybe it's slow and steady progress... Stevenson is right where they need to be, and seemingly got away with a win last week, despite (the above discussed) 5 turnovers.   Good teams find ways to win when not at their best...Stevenson 38 Misericordia 7
   
King's @ Delaware Valley    Kings has lost all of the momentum they gained a few years ago.  Losses to an average Moravian team and a bafflingly average Widener team don't indicate good things are on the horizon for this team.  The upside was the (above mentioned) comeback win against FDU last week.  Despite Del Val having youth at critical positions, and no consistency, I'll still pick Del Val here   28-14   
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 24, 2015, 05:48:07 PM
WILKES OVER FDU BY 3
WIDENER OVER LEB-VAL BY 13
LYCOMING OVER ALBRIGHT BY 7
STEVENSON OVER MISERICORDIA BY 21
DEL-VAL OVER KINGS BY 17

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 24, 2015, 06:22:53 PM
Great stuff, Bman.

I'm really at a loss for making predictions in the conference this year. I could make a credible argument for either team in four of the five games this weekend.

Misiercordia won't beat Stevenson and I don't think it will be close. But Misericordia played Del Val closer than the 21-point deficit indicated. The Cougars reached the Aggies' red zone on their first three possessions and came away with no points, remniscent of Del Val's struggles at Wilkes eight days earlier.

The most concise way to describe Del Val this year thus far is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They are extremely young. They had basically two returning starters on offense coming into the season (LT Josh Wallace and FB Jarret Reinhard). Josh left Saturday's game with a knee injury and Jarrett doesn't play a lot of downs because Del Val doesn't use a FB in a lot of sets. The Aggies may have 10 different starters when they play King's on Saturday night relative to last year. And if they don't need a fullback, they'll have 11.

In one way it's kind of fun. Much less pressure than last year and it'll be fun to watch the young guys develop.

After the first two weeks of the season, the Aggies are a week to week proposition. They absolutely could lose to King's on Saturday or FDU-Florham the following week. They almost lost to the Monarchs last year and I don't know how they slow down Malik Pressley next Friday night. On the other hand they absolutely could beat Stevenson or Albright. They aren't going 2-8 or 9-1 but a W or L is possible any week at this point.

I guess you could say that about most of the conference, though.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 24, 2015, 08:51:11 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 24, 2015, 06:22:53 PM
Great stuff, Bman.

I'm really at a loss for making predictions in the conference this year. I could make a credible argument for either team in four of the five games this weekend.

Misiercordia won't beat Stevenson and I don't think it will be close. But Misericordia played Del Val closer than the 21-point deficit indicated. The Cougars reached the Aggies' red zone on their first three possessions and came away with no points, remniscent of Del Val's struggles at Wilkes eight days earlier.

The most concise way to describe Del Val this year thus far is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They are extremely young. They had basically two returning starters on offense coming into the season (LT Josh Wallace and FB Jarret Reinhard). Josh left Saturday's game with a knee injury and Jarrett doesn't play a lot of downs because Del Val doesn't use a FB in a lot of sets. The Aggies may have 10 different starters when they play King's on Saturday night relative to last year. And if they don't need a fullback, they'll have 11.

In one way it's kind of fun. Much less pressure than last year and it'll be fun to watch the young guys develop.

After the first two weeks of the season, the Aggies are a week to week proposition. They absolutely could lose to King's on Saturday or FDU-Florham the following week. They almost lost to the Monarchs last year and I don't know how they slow down Malik Pressley next Friday night. On the other hand they absolutely could beat Stevenson or Albright. They aren't going 2-8 or 9-1 but a W or L is possible any week at this point.

I guess you could say that about most of the conference, though.

I so agree with the bolded stuff
The no scoring in the red zone was some of Stevenson's issue last week too especially late. Stevenson had a nice drive late which stalled and they turned it over on downs deep inside the 10 with less than 2 minutes left. Stevenson is still kind of young but they have guys who played last year. The big thing is the penalty mistakes. Misercordia won't beat Stevenson but it looks like they are improving cause the scores look a bit better. Stevenson by 21.

The other 4 could be toss ups.

I do tend to think based on their performance last week against Widener that Albright will beat Lyco by 7-10 points and potential more depending on what Albright does on D.

Wilkes is my dark horse for the title since they beat Del Valley already and just not sure what FDU has. FDU does usually find at least 1 week each year they pull the upset tho and this could be the team they do it too. Wilkes by 7.

Widener is gonna come in angry after losing 2 in a row and what kept LVC in the game last week was the defense. I just don't see Widener going down 3 in a row. Widener by 10 points but this could go worse.

Del Valley and Kings- normally this would be no contest for Del Valley but with the young team and Kings has been scoring even in losses and the only win is against FDU. Still gonna go Del Valley by 7 points.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 25, 2015, 09:47:06 AM
Wilkes - 27          FDU - 21 (will be close until the end)
Widener - 20       LebVal - 17 (Widener has too much back on defense)
Lycoming - 21      Albright - 20 (because those 14 previous MAC Championships will pull them through.....that's for Simba :) )
Stevenson - 38    Misericordia - 13 (Miser has a nice running QB and not much else)
Kings - 21            DelVal - 17 (you can't start 11 new offensive players and win much in year one)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 25, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Mercy, bman! You picked your Pride to fall to the Dutchmen this evening? I'm stunned and shocked.
(And what's with the "mr." stuff? That makes me feel even older than my already-advanced years.  :o)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HSCTiger74 on September 25, 2015, 07:01:11 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 25, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Mercy, bman! You picked your Pride to fall to the Dutchmen this evening? I'm stunned and shocked.
(And what's with the "mr." stuff? That makes me feel even older than my already-advanced years.  :o)

  You should be okay until they start calling you "Pops".   :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 25, 2015, 10:16:40 PM
Congratulations to the FDU Devils,ending 30 years of frustration by defeating Wilkes, 29-26. Even more impressive was the team had to use the backup QB...hopefully get starter Maurer back next week!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 25, 2015, 11:37:18 PM
FDU receiver Malik Pressley may be the most dynamic offensive player in the conference. He had two more touchdowns tonight and has seven for the season. And he's just a sophomore. Scary stuff. Wilkes missed two extra points tonight and gave up a two-point conversion late.

Del Val LT Josh Wallace is out for tomorrow so it's official -- 11 new starters on offense tomorrow. I mistakenly said Jarrett Reinhart was a starter last year, but the starting fullback was Joe Meehan.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2015, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 25, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Mercy, bman! You picked your Pride to fall to the Dutchmen this evening? I'm stunned and shocked.
(And what's with the "mr." stuff? That makes me feel even older than my already-advanced years.  :o)

I think that bman played the old "if they lose, I called it" game. In that case, the Eagles will lose to the Jets tomorrow (let's see if that works as well :) )
LebVal has no passing attack to speak of. QB's went 5 for 21 for 104 yards.......with 76 of the yards coming on one play. They make DelVal's passing attack look good!
Klein threw the ball 65 times and ran it another 16 times. I have never seen a MAC team so solely reliant on one player. God forbid he goes down.......Widener is toast!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2015, 11:06:18 AM
Quote from: bill on September 25, 2015, 10:16:40 PM
Congratulations to the FDU Devils,ending 30 years of frustration by defeating Wilkes, 29-26. Even more impressive was the team had to use the backup QB...hopefully get starter Maurer back next week!

Congrats to FDU!!! I know a few D1-AA ( I refuse to say that stupid FCS!!) and DII teams that would love Malik.
Heck, even that dreadful Rutgers mess could use him :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2015, 11:08:38 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 25, 2015, 11:37:18 PM
FDU receiver Malik Pressley may be the most dynamic offensive player in the conference. He had two more touchdowns tonight and has seven for the season. And he's just a sophomore. Scary stuff. Wilkes missed two extra points tonight and gave up a two-point conversion late.

Del Val LT Josh Wallace is out for tomorrow so it's official -- 11 new starters on offense tomorrow. I mistakenly said Jarrett Reinhart was a starter last year, but the starting fullback was Joe Meehan.

Gordon - You or Pat may be the only people who would know the answer to a question like this. Can you recall any team having to literally replace all 11 starters from one side of the ball in a given year? It still amazes me how they handled a veteran Montclair team on opening day!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 26, 2015, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2015, 11:08:38 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 25, 2015, 11:37:18 PM
FDU receiver Malik Pressley may be the most dynamic offensive player in the conference. He had two more touchdowns tonight and has seven for the season. And he's just a sophomore. Scary stuff. Wilkes missed two extra points tonight and gave up a two-point conversion late.

Del Val LT Josh Wallace is out for tomorrow so it's official -- 11 new starters on offense tomorrow. I mistakenly said Jarrett Reinhart was a starter last year, but the starting fullback was Joe Meehan.

Gordon - You or Pat may be the only people who would know the answer to a question like this. Can you recall any team having to literally replace all 11 starters from one side of the ball in a given year? It still amazes me how they
handled a veteran Montclair team on opening day!

Me too. ??? I may have to ask Pope Francis for some devine intervention so we don't get spanked to badly.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2015, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: bman on September 24, 2015, 11:08:14 AM
How about some predictions for the week?

Games
Wilkes @  FDU-Florham      This depends on which Wilkes team shows up...The Wilkes team that shut down DVU?  Or the Wilkes that got crushed by an average Muhlenberg team, and blew a lead to a young Lyco squad.   The easy pick here is to take Wilkes here based on pedigree...however, FDU Florham has a taste of victory this year, despite their gut wrenching loss to Kings last week... In case you didn't see it, FDU had an 8 minute 18 second drive late in the 4th Q to go up 7, and Kings responded with an 8 Play 65 yard drive in 54 seconds to tie it up late, and scored to win it in the first OT...That close  in spite of their starting QB Tyler Maurer not playing after the second quarter...(not sure if it's due to injury or another issue)
That being said, assuming Tyler Maurer will play and I'll pick FDU Florham in an upset 35-31...if not all bets are off ;)

Lebanon Valley @ Widener   There have been some great games between these two in the past...
Leb Val, lost to a solid Franklin and Marshall team that is 3-0 (with 3 solid wins), and barely to Stevenson a game in which Mr. Thompson would like to forget...however, it is clear that this is a good team.
Widener has a very good defense, yet no speed on offense and a suspect O line.  It is at home, yet a night game...and I don't remember too many WU night game wins...
In such, I don't think WU will still get it completely together yet, leading to a Lebanon Valley (upset?) in a lower scoring affair 21-20

Albright  @ Lycoming      Well we all know tough tough tough it is to play in Williamsport.   However Lyco has struggled this year.  The real question is:  Was that scouring onslaught in the 2nd half against Wilkes was an indicator of things getting back on track?  Simba says Yes Wone3 says No!  I tend to agree with Wone3.  As the Phila Eagles can attest, 1 good quarter, doesn't particularly mean future success.  especially as 2 of those were defensive touchdowns...   Albright has never seemed to get over the hump though, and has always had one loss that took a MAC title away.   This year so far seems different.  A great comeback win against a very competitive Salisbury team, and a dominating win last week, seems to say that Albright dominates this one.   I'll take the away victory for Albright 27-14

Misericordia  @   Stevenson    I root for Misericordia...I really do.  They stayed pretty close to a good Utica team (we'll see how good this week after they play Cortland St...), which I though may indicate a change for the better.  Subsequent losses to Lebanon Valley and Delaware Valley  indicate that they will stay pretty close to where they normally fall, however the losses were not by as large of a margin as they have been.  Maybe it's slow and steady progress... Stevenson is right where they need to be, and seemingly got away with a win last week, despite (the above discussed) 5 turnovers.   Good teams find ways to win when not at their best...Stevenson 38 Misericordia 7
   
King's @ Delaware Valley    Kings has lost all of the momentum they gained a few years ago.  Losses to an average Moravian team and a bafflingly average Widener team don't indicate good things are on the horizon for this team.  The upside was the (above mentioned) comeback win against FDU last week.  Despite Del Val having youth at critical positions, and no consistency, I'll still pick Del Val here   28-14   

I must give bman his props as he picked Albright to beat Lyco by two touchdowns, on the road nonetheless! Myself and the Mighty Simba bow down to your knowledge and excellence :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Quote from: Simba on September 22, 2015, 05:07:43 PM
FACTOID....
Albright has been victorious over Lycoming in only four games since 1978...There was one tie...All four of those victories came in the only years Lyco has had a loosing record (after 2004)...

If the Warriors play the way they did the second half against Wilkes the remainder of the season (down 21-20 at the half), they will be hard to beat and will contend for their 15th MAC Championship!..Simba

If the Warriors play the way they did the second half against Wilkes the remainder of the season (down 21-20 at the half), they will be hard to beat and will contend for their 15th MAC Championship!..Simba
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Simba - Short and sweet. Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...................no :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 26, 2015, 08:32:16 PM
WOW!...
We now know what kind of a season we are going to have if the same pattern of history repeats itself this year...Congratulations Lions...I knew we were in trouble today when on our first two possessions in the Red Zone, our offense turned it over...the second one on a fumble at the two!...Can Albright now finish out the season and represent the MAC in the playoffs?...They are now my pick after watching both them and Stevenson give us some good 'ol fashion Wup Ass!!!...

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 27, 2015, 12:09:30 AM
As I said Simba, I hated to burst your bubble man.

I'm a Lyco 90's grad/alum and I know how well they can play and have played in the past. It just seems like the year after they graduate a QB that plays like 2 years or more as starter, the next year isn't as good.  It wasn't happening this year with that young secondary and an incoming QB with little game experience with 1 decent RB and WR. I'm not saying the other guys can't play but they need to step up. There is just too many good defenses out there this year for this offense unless they can start generating "quick -strike" and lot of points to make up for the youngness of the D and especially that secondary. This is going to be a year of gather experience and next year could be very interesting for them.

If it comes down to Albright and Stevenson in a battle for the playoff spot; as of right now I'd probably lean toward Albright. Stevenson does have it on defense but they ABSOLUTELY need to cut down on the penalties especially the dumb ones like the couple they committed today. They aren't going to be able to pull that stuff in the games coming up and expect to win. They also have a decent offense and can move the ball well and if the play call is right can quick strike for a score, as they have done in several spots this year. They have a nice mix of run and pass opportunities in the players they put on the field.  I do think it is a bit amazing tho considering this is only Stevenson's 5th year of having football to be in the talking for a title and speaks well to their future in the league.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 27, 2015, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: wone3 on September 27, 2015, 12:09:30 AM
As I said Simba, I hated to burst your bubble man.

I'm a Lyco 90's grad/alum and I know how well they can play and have played in the past. It just seems like the year after they graduate a QB that plays like 2 years or more as starter, the next year isn't as good.  It wasn't happening this year with that young secondary and an incoming QB with little game experience with 1 decent RB and WR. I'm not saying the other guys can't play but they need to step up. There is just too many good defenses out there this year for this offense unless they can start generating "quick -strike" and lot of points to make up for the youngness of the D and especially that secondary. This is going to be a year of gather experience and next year could be very interesting for them.

If it comes down to Albright and Stevenson in a battle for the playoff spot; as of right now I'd probably lean toward Albright. Stevenson does have it on defense but they ABSOLUTELY need to cut down on the penalties especially the dumb ones like the couple they committed today. They aren't going to be able to pull that stuff in the games coming up and expect to win. They also have a decent offense and can move the ball well and if the play call is right can quick strike for a score, as they have done in several spots this year. They have a nice mix of run and pass opportunities in the players they put on the field.  I do think it is a bit amazing tho considering this is only Stevenson's 5th year of having football to be in the talking for a title and speaks well to their future in the league.

wone - I think DelVal can relate to Lycoming's plight and then some as they played last night with literally ZERO starters on offense form last year's team. I'm actually stunned by the rushing attack given all of the new faces.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2015, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2015, 11:08:38 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 25, 2015, 11:37:18 PM
FDU receiver Malik Pressley may be the most dynamic offensive player in the conference. He had two more touchdowns tonight and has seven for the season. And he's just a sophomore. Scary stuff. Wilkes missed two extra points tonight and gave up a two-point conversion late.

Del Val LT Josh Wallace is out for tomorrow so it's official -- 11 new starters on offense tomorrow. I mistakenly said Jarrett Reinhart was a starter last year, but the starting fullback was Joe Meehan.

Gordon - You or Pat may be the only people who would know the answer to a question like this. Can you recall any team having to literally replace all 11 starters from one side of the ball in a given year? It still amazes me how they handled a veteran Montclair team on opening day!

I'm sure it's probably happened but I don't recall it happening to a prominent team, one we were considering for preseason Top 25 and the like.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 27, 2015, 01:14:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2015, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2015, 11:08:38 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 25, 2015, 11:37:18 PM
FDU receiver Malik Pressley may be the most dynamic offensive player in the conference. He had two more touchdowns tonight and has seven for the season. And he's just a sophomore. Scary stuff. Wilkes missed two extra points tonight and gave up a two-point conversion late.

Del Val LT Josh Wallace is out for tomorrow so it's official -- 11 new starters on offense tomorrow. I mistakenly said Jarrett Reinhart was a starter last year, but the starting fullback was Joe Meehan.

Gordon - You or Pat may be the only people who would know the answer to a question like this. Can you recall any team having to literally replace all 11 starters from one side of the ball in a given year? It still amazes me how they handled a veteran Montclair team on opening day!

I'm sure it's probably happened but I don't recall it happening to a prominent team, one we were considering for preseason Top 25 and the like.

One can only hope to see this team a year or two from now and see what they become.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 27, 2015, 03:39:23 PM
I said the same thing last night in the video broadcast. I'm sure it has happened, but I can't think of a relatively established program that had 11 new starters.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 28, 2015, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 25, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Mercy, bman! You picked your Pride to fall to the Dutchmen this evening? I'm stunned and shocked.
(And what's with the "mr." stuff? That makes me feel even older than my already-advanced years.  :o)

Wow, boy did I miss ALOT this weekend, when I was away!   A couple things to address!

First and foremost, my comment was not age related!  Let's just say I was on a roll typing, and "Mr. Thompson" just worked well in the grammatical flow...
Given that you are certainly the most knowledgeable in the MAC (citing 1970s games for heavens sake!), I think a bit of respect is certainly warranted :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 28, 2015, 10:12:38 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2015, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 25, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Mercy, bman! You picked your Pride to fall to the Dutchmen this evening? I'm stunned and shocked.
(And what's with the "mr." stuff? That makes me feel even older than my already-advanced years.  :o)

I think that bman played the old "if they lose, I called it" game. In that case, the Eagles will lose to the Jets tomorrow (let's see if that works as well :) )
LebVal has no passing attack to speak of. QB's went 5 for 21 for 104 yards.......with 76 of the yards coming on one play. They make DelVal's passing attack look good!
Klein threw the ball 65 times and ran it another 16 times. I have never seen a MAC team so solely reliant on one player. God forbid he goes down.......Widener is toast!
You give me too much credit my friend.... ;)
What you see(read) is what you get from me...
I honestly believed they would lose...and not from some fatalistic mind set, or reverse superstition...
As I have mentioned previously, there is not much team speed...
The tallest WR is 5'10" (look it up)...so if you have smaller receivers, and they aren't overly fast...not good
There have been issues with running the ball, and opening up holes etc...

I make it seem doomsday-ish, but it's not...they are a solid football team.   I think I read too much into the Leb Val/Stevenson result, and did not see any video from that game...
In short, I thought they were still ripe for a loss(upset?) and they proved me wrong...
I have been wrong before and it is possible that I may be wrong again ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 28, 2015, 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: bman on September 28, 2015, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 25, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Mercy, bman! You picked your Pride to fall to the Dutchmen this evening? I'm stunned and shocked.
(And what's with the "mr." stuff? That makes me feel even older than my already-advanced years.  :o)

Wow, boy did I miss ALOT this weekend, when I was away!   A couple things to address!

First and foremost, my comment was not age related!  Let's just say I was on a roll typing, and "Mr. Thompson" just worked well in the grammatical flow...
Given that you are certainly the most knowledgeable in the MAC (no disrespect to Gordon intended!, but citing 1960 and 1970s games for heavens sake!...is really, really impressive), I think a bit of respect is certainly warranted :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 28, 2015, 10:20:09 AM
Quote from: bman on September 28, 2015, 10:12:38 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2015, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 25, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Mercy, bman! You picked your Pride to fall to the Dutchmen this evening? I'm stunned and shocked.
(And what's with the "mr." stuff? That makes me feel even older than my already-advanced years.  :o)

I think that bman played the old "if they lose, I called it" game. In that case, the Eagles will lose to the Jets tomorrow (let's see if that works as well :) )
LebVal has no passing attack to speak of. QB's went 5 for 21 for 104 yards.......with 76 of the yards coming on one play. They make DelVal's passing attack look good!
Klein threw the ball 65 times and ran it another 16 times. I have never seen a MAC team so solely reliant on one player. God forbid he goes down.......Widener is toast!
You give me too much credit my friend.... ;)
What you see(read) is what you get from me...
I honestly believed they would lose...and not from some fatalistic mind set, or reverse superstition...
As I have mentioned previously, there is not much team speed...
The tallest WR is 5'10" (look it up)...so if you have smaller receivers, and they aren't overly fast...not good
There has been issues with running the ball, and opening up holes etc...

I make it seem doomsday-ish, but it's not...they are a solid football team.   I think I read too much into the Leb Val/Stevenson result, and did not see any video from that game...
In short, I thought they were still ripe for a loss(upset?) and they proved me wrong...
I have been wrong before and it is possible that I may be wrong again ;D

I gotcha buddy. It did work for me though as the Eagles did beat the J-E-T-S......MESS, MESS, MESS :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 28, 2015, 10:28:31 PM
QuoteGiven that you are certainly the most knowledgeable in the MAC (no disrespect to Gordon intended)...

None taken, that's how I see it too. Between you, Warren, Simba and others, there's a lot of knowledge about the MAC in this room. And thankfully there's interesting conversations now too!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 29, 2015, 05:36:01 PM
bman and Gordon:

Thanks for your very kind words.

Much of what I know about the history of the MAC I learned from reading a graduate thesis written by a former LVC SID. I have some knowledge of LVC football because I began teaching there in fall of 1967 and over the years attended a good many home games and even some road games in the exotic realms of Reading, Lancaster, Allentown, and Bethlehem. (I've always cheered and often shed some tears over the final scores.  ;))
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 30, 2015, 11:28:41 AM
The fun comes this weekend with the weather here.. rain and Joaquin go away. Joaquin go out to sea and stay there. Stay safe y'all.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 30, 2015, 11:46:25 AM
Quote from: wone3 on September 30, 2015, 11:28:41 AM
The fun comes this weekend with the weather here.. rain and Joaquin go away. Joaquin go out to sea and stay there. Stay safe y'all.
I remember seeing a video once of a high school game where a kicker attempted a FG, and it was so windy, the kick got almost even with the goal post and just stopped and then went backwards!   
It would be kind of fun to see a game played in those winds!

A must edit...looked it up last night...it was a Canadian game...
The link:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICUK9IaDJrA (ftp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICUK9IaDJrA)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 01, 2015, 11:24:56 AM
Picks for the week:

DVU @ FDU

Going into the year, I would have never predicted that I would have to think about this one a bit before making a prediction...DVU sits at 3-1 (2-1) which is good at first glance...looking at the schedule however, their schedule is back end loaded with tough division games...Montclair might have been the prep that they needed, since their last 3 games, were against  probably the bottom 3 teams in the conference...FDU comes in with a potent offense...averaging over 30 points a game, but as their schedule is also back-end loaded...the real evaluation starts this week.  The weather will also slow both offenses a bit.  Based on the fact the DVU's defense is probably better than any that FDU has faced this far, and the FDU defense really hasn't stopped anyone, Ill take DVU here 28-21... 

Widener @ Wilkes

Wilkes gives up yards on the ground, and they haven't rushed over effectively this year.   This will be a difficult task against the Widener defense, which does periodically give up the big play.  Add that the weather probably will be a factor...Widener 35-17

Albright at Misericordia

Albright will dominate this game, but once again Misericordia has played a couple games closer than expected.  Albright 38 -14

Lycoming @ Lebanon Valley

Probably the best game in the MAC this week...
Which Lycoming shows up?  Lebanon Valley disappointed last week at Widener, in a sloppily played game...Admittedly I have only seen 63 seconds of the Lycoming season (I refuse to pay ::)), but if Lebanon Valley plays like they did in Chester, they will lose.  In looking deeper, it looks like Lycoming will be able to run the ball more effectively than LVC, which will open up the passing offense.   I like Lycoming here in the away victory 28-24


Kings @ Stevenson

Stevenson will win this game.  Kings has been an easy mark so far this year.   Stevenson, hasn't dominated games they way that I have expected them to, so far this year.   This will be a game in which the Stevenson offense gets back in rhythm.  Stevenson 45-Kings 14

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 02, 2015, 03:18:25 PM
Bman,

Can't disagree with any of your choices or scores.

The Lyco video should change to an SD or like feed for free once the first "free preview" runs its course so I'm surprised if it doesn't for you just FYI.

Also from what I have been hearing( with my kiddo being at Stevenson) that they are introducing a new offense or major tweaking the old one this year so it has been a work in process on the offense side of the ball and maybe why they haven't been as dominant as you would have thought. Course both QB's who get major time for Stevenson are only Sophomores too. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 02, 2015, 04:44:08 PM
About 2:15 to the FDU/Del Val kickoff...and boy, is it wet here in Madison. Temps may go into low 50's /high 40's...with no stop to the rather cold rain. Here's hoping everyone stays healthy (and warm&dry)....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2015, 07:00:43 PM
DelVal 11 New Offensive Starters Aggies - 18     FDWho Are These Guys? - 12 (The weather is God Awful!!)
Widener Kleins & Stud Defense - 27     Wilkes - 13
Albright Likely MAC Champs - 37     Misericordia - 9
Lycoming Simbas - 27     LebVal - 20
Stevenson Darkhorses No Longer - 30     King's - 16
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2015, 07:15:21 PM
Quote from: bill on October 02, 2015, 04:44:08 PM
About 2:15 to the FDU/Del Val kickoff...and boy, is it wet here in Madison. Temps may go into low 50's /high 40's...with no stop to the rather cold rain. Here's hoping everyone stays healthy (and warm&dry)....

Bill - If you get this, where is the Live Video for the game? I'm clicking on the various links and it states that the event has started but there is no video anywhere. Thanks.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2015, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 28, 2015, 10:28:31 PM
QuoteGiven that you are certainly the most knowledgeable in the MAC (no disrespect to Gordon intended)...

None taken, that's how I see it too. Between you, Warren, Simba and others, there's a lot of knowledge about the MAC in this room. And thankfully there's interesting conversations now too!

Gordon - Ask the FDU folks where the video feed is for tonight's game. I'm clicking on various options but getting nowhere. Thanks!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 02, 2015, 08:12:09 PM
Think it's just audio. Del Val is dominating up 20-7.  FDU's only score on a fumble recovery. Halftime.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2015, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on October 02, 2015, 08:12:09 PM
Think it's just audio. Del Val is dominating up 20-7.  FDU's only score on a fumble recovery. Halftime.

Thanks! I'm listening to Gordon on audio and following Live Stats. It sounds like they bailed on the live video given the horrible weather.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2015, 09:59:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2015, 07:00:43 PM
DelVal 11 New Offensive Starters Aggies - 18     FDWho Are These Guys? - 12 (The weather is God Awful!!)
Widener Kleins & Stud Defense - 27     Wilkes - 13
Albright Likely MAC Champs - 37     Misericordia - 9
Lycoming Simbas - 27     LebVal - 20
Stevenson Darkhorses No Longer - 30     King's - 16

I couldn't have been more wrong on the DelVal @ FDU score. The 40-7 final could have been 52/53/54-0 as FDU's only score came on a 5 yard fumble return and DelVal took a knee a couple of times at the FDU 3 yard line to end the game. I'll be interested to see this offense in the next couple of years, especially if they can develop the type of passing game that DelVal has had over the past 15 or so years.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 02, 2015, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2015, 09:59:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2015, 07:00:43 PM
DelVal 11 New Offensive Starters Aggies - 18     FDWho Are These Guys? - 12 (The weather is God Awful!!)
Widener Kleins & Stud Defense - 27     Wilkes - 13
Albright Likely MAC Champs - 37     Misericordia - 9
Lycoming Simbas - 27     LebVal - 20
Stevenson Darkhorses No Longer - 30     King's - 16

I couldn't have been more wrong on the DelVal @ FDU score. The 40-7 final could have been 52/53/54-0 as FDU's only score came on a 5 yard fumble return and DelVal took a knee a couple of times at the FDU 3 yard line to end the game. I'll be interested to see this offense in the next couple of years, especially if they can develop the type of passing game that DelVal has had over the past 15 or so years.
When most of your offense is predicated on an aerial attack, this weather is going to do very bad things to you...FDU couldn't have had worse weather for this game...

Good job aggies!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 03, 2015, 08:22:21 AM
Del-Val by 33 (Hey, I got one right)  :)
Widener by 17
Albright by 21
Lyco vs Leb-Val. +1 Pick'm
Stevenson by 10

Redskins by 7
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 03, 2015, 08:37:57 AM
Quote from: bman on October 02, 2015, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2015, 09:59:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2015, 07:00:43 PM
DelVal 11 New Offensive Starters Aggies - 18     FDWho Are These Guys? - 12 (The weather is God Awful!!)
Widener Kleins & Stud Defense - 27     Wilkes - 13
Albright Likely MAC Champs - 37     Misericordia - 9
Lycoming Simbas - 27     LebVal - 20
Stevenson Darkhorses No Longer - 30     King's - 16

I couldn't have been more wrong on the DelVal @ FDU score. The 40-7 final could have been 52/53/54-0 as FDU's only score came on a 5 yard fumble return and DelVal took a knee a couple of times at the FDU 3 yard line to end the game. I'll be interested to see this offense in the next couple of years, especially if they can develop the type of passing game that DelVal has had over the past 15 or so years.
When most of your offense is predicated on an aerial attack, this weather is going to do very bad things to you...FDU couldn't have had worse weather for this game...

Good job aggies!

Pretty brutal weather indeed! My bad, I thought FDU had a nice running attack as well as they rushed for close to 500 yards in their first three games......with Ognibene close to 300. I personally would have looked for more ways to get the ball to Presley but from what I heard, he seemed somewhat disinterested once the Aggies started to roll and given the weather.

I personally think the Aggies will be lucky to go 2-3 in the back half of the season but this offense is a decent passing game away from being pretty dynamic over the next couple of years.

Simba, maybe I misread your prediction and maybe you're just trying to change up the karma but..............................pick 'em is not a prediction :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 03, 2015, 10:53:55 AM
jmcozenlaw....

My new unapproved strategy is to make one (post)diction Sat morning after a Friday night game and to do one pick'em from Sat games...That way I can have at least two winners!...Isn't that great?...My fellow Skook's came up with that one during a deep thought social interaction session in which Lager consumption was a true factor in the decision-making process!...

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 03, 2015, 11:23:41 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 03, 2015, 10:53:55 AM
jmcozenlaw....

My new unapproved strategy is to make one (post)diction Sat morning after a Friday night game and to do one pick'em from Sat games...That way I can have at least two winners!...Isn't that great?...My fellow Skook's came up with that one during a deep thought social interaction session in which Lager consumption was a true factor in the decision-making process!...

Simba

I love it Simba!! Have a great day and weekend my friend :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 04, 2015, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 03, 2015, 08:22:21 AM
Del-Val by 33 (Hey, I got one right)  :)
Widener by 17
Albright by 21
Lyco vs Leb-Val. +1 Pick'm
Stevenson by 10

Redskins by 7

Simba

We you definitely were the closest of all of us, but I am hoping you are wrong on the Redskins pick...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 05, 2015, 02:03:44 PM
I don't think you will see Lycoming recover from this collapse. There "era" is over. An argument can be made for their youth, but there isn't a lot of potential talent that comes with that youth. I am afraid it will be tough for them to get back on top. I see them finishing the season 4-6.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 06, 2015, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 05, 2015, 02:03:44 PM
I don't think you will see Lycoming recover from this collapse. There "era" is over. An argument can be made for their youth, but there isn't a lot of potential talent that comes with that youth. I am afraid it will be tough for them to get back on top. I see them finishing the season 4-6.

MAF

What "era" are you referencing? 

Lyco has won the MAC outright 1 time since 2000 and has tied for it 3 times in that span...
Not sure you'd call that an "era"...


What I will say is that Lyco is a team that you always comes to play, and is never an easy win, and is always well coached.
Given that the MAC is cyclical and that teams tend to win and lose in runs, I'm not so sure that I'd be definitively stating anything about Lyco (or any other MAC team)...
My (unsupported with any facts guess) is that Lyco has lost a bit of the stranglehold they used to have in recruiting the Philly Catholic League schools...which may coincide with DVUs success in the 2000's   
I'll leave others to opine on that...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 06, 2015, 06:21:17 PM
bman...

You are absolutely correct....During the 70's, 80's and 90's, at least half the team and sometimes even more, came from the Catholic League, especially from NE Catholic, Father Judge and Archbishop Ryan...Since 2000, it's been only around ten percent if that...Even my fraternity in the mid to late 70's, Sigma Pi (although some called it "Simba Pi" )...Lol...was half Catholic League....Once Widener and Del-Val improved their facilities, the "Build it and they will come" mentality kept the Catholic League boys closer to home...

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 07, 2015, 11:43:30 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 06, 2015, 06:21:17 PM
bman...

You are absolutely correct....During the 70's, 80's and 90's, at least half the team and sometimes even more, came from the Catholic League, especially from NE Catholic, Father Judge and Archbishop Ryan...Since 2000, it's been only around ten percent if that...Even my fraternity in the mid to late 70's, Sigma Pi (although some called it "Simba Pi" )...Lol...was half Catholic League....Once Widener and Del-Val improved their facilities, the "Build it and they will come" mentality kept the Catholic League boys closer to home...

Simba

Sig Pi. I kind of remember that from my recruiting trip to Lyco back in the 80s.  Kinda  ;)

It looked like Lyco was doing some construction on campus when I was in Williamsport back in August. Downtown Billtown certainly looks like its gone through some revitalization over the past few years.

The program has a great tradition and it looked like they were still getting quite a few out of the Philly area after a peek at their roster. Maybe if the Pope visited Williamsport.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 07, 2015, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 06, 2015, 06:21:17 PM
bman...

You are absolutely correct....During the 70's, 80's and 90's, at least half the team and sometimes even more, came from the Catholic League, especially from NE Catholic, Father Judge and Archbishop Ryan...Since 2000, it's been only around ten percent if that...Even my fraternity in the mid to late 70's, Sigma Pi (although some called it "Simba Pi" )...Lol...was half Catholic League....Once Widener and Del-Val improved their facilities, the "Build it and they will come" mentality kept the Catholic League boys closer to home...

Simba

Something tells me that that fraternity closely resembled Animal House... ::)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2015, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: bman on October 07, 2015, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 06, 2015, 06:21:17 PM
bman...

You are absolutely correct....During the 70's, 80's and 90's, at least half the team and sometimes even more, came from the Catholic League, especially from NE Catholic, Father Judge and Archbishop Ryan...Since 2000, it's been only around ten percent if that...Even my fraternity in the mid to late 70's, Sigma Pi (although some called it "Simba Pi" )...Lol...was half Catholic League....Once Widener and Del-Val improved their facilities, the "Build it and they will come" mentality kept the Catholic League boys closer to home...

Simba

"Hey, what am I"?
A Zit :)

Lyco still does a very good job in the Suburban One. Needhammer (North Penn) and Zibel (Pennsbury) to name just two of the top of my head.


Something tells me that that fraternity closely resembled Animal House... ::)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 08, 2015, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 06, 2015, 06:21:17 PM
bman...

You are absolutely correct....During the 70's, 80's and 90's, at least half the team and sometimes even more, came from the Catholic League, especially from NE Catholic, Father Judge and Archbishop Ryan...Since 2000, it's been only around ten percent if that...Even my fraternity in the mid to late 70's, Sigma Pi (although some called it "Simba Pi" )...Lol...was half Catholic League....Once Widener and Del-Val improved their facilities, the "Build it and they will come" mentality kept the Catholic League boys closer to home...

Simba

To be fair there was a coach at DVU (DVC at the time) named G.A. Mangus that many recruits wanted to play for and than it was time to look at and improve the facilities.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 09, 2015, 10:50:06 AM
MAC Picks:

Albright "It's Their Year" - 31     Wilkes "Their Super Bowl Was The DelVal Win" - 13
LebVal "Hard To Figure Out" - 27    FDU "Don't Blame The Rain" - 20
Stevenson "It's Almost Their Year" - 26     DelVal "Another Week With 11 New Offensive Starters" - 20

Eagles - 27     Saints - 16
Patriots - 100     Cowboys - Will blame it on the injuries :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 09, 2015, 10:59:35 AM
bman - You may be the only person who can answer this question (maybe Warren Thompson as well).

Not including Stevenson and Miser given that they are newer programs...........has Albright, King's, Wilkes ever had any regular posters on the board?

I think of Widener (you), LebVal (Warren), Lycoming (Simba and another guy from the not-too-distant-past who seems to have disappeared), and FDU (Bill) but I'm not sure that I've ever seen a post from an Albright, King's and Wilkes fan. I love the site and these boards. I guess in the year 2015, there are too many other things to do :(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 09, 2015, 01:19:31 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 09, 2015, 10:50:06 AM
MAC Picks:

Albright "It's Their Year" - 31     Wilkes "Their Super Bowl Was The DelVal Win" - 13
LebVal "Hard To Figure Out" - 27    FDU "Don't Blame The Rain" - 20
Stevenson "It's Almost Their Year" - 26     DelVal "Another Week With 11 New Offensive Starters" - 20

Eagles - 27     Saints - 16
Patriots - 100     Cowboys - Will blame it on the injuries :)

Pretty much like these picks and probably about right on the point differences.  Also I'm a Lyco gal ( early 90's alum) with my gal going to Stevenson starting this yr.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 09, 2015, 06:54:52 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 09, 2015, 10:59:35 AM
bman - You may be the only person who can answer this question (maybe Warren Thompson as well).

Not including Stevenson and Miser given that they are newer programs...........has Albright, King's, Wilkes ever had any regular posters on the board?

I think of Widener (you), LebVal (Warren), Lycoming (Simba and another guy from the not-too-distant-past who seems to have disappeared), and FDU (Bill) but I'm not sure that I've ever seen a post from an Albright, King's and Wilkes fan. I love the site and these boards. I guess in the year 2015, there are too many other things to do :(

Albright hired a new coach years back, and a couple of posters came on board for a couple of years and then disappeared when they didn't make much headway...one was an ex player, and once he got through the "wait until you see what we do" beating of his chest, he was a pretty good poster...

There is a Wilkes poster that pops in and out rarely...

I don't ever seem to recall a Kings poster in here...

Between you, Gordon and PBR and Kate, DVU is well represented....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 09, 2015, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 09, 2015, 10:50:06 AM
MAC Picks:

Albright "It's Their Year" - 31     Wilkes "Their Super Bowl Was The DelVal Win" - 13
LebVal "Hard To Figure Out" - 27    FDU "Don't Blame The Rain" - 20
Stevenson "It's Almost Their Year" - 26     DelVal "Another Week With 11 New Offensive Starters" - 20

Eagles - 27     Saints - 16
Patriots - 100     Cowboys - Will blame it on the injuries :)

Nice!

My (Late) picks

Albright 35  Wilkes 14    Just too balanced and too much D for Wilkes to overcome...

Leb Val 42   FDU 35    Going good old fashioned shoot out here...  That prediction does go against reality, as I was looking at Leb Val's stats this week.  I think they average over 230 yards per game on the ground!   Regardless of the final score, I think FDU shakes off last week's results and keeps this close, if not winning....(If they get blown out feel free to mock me...)

Del Val 23  Stevenson 17  in OT   yes...I went there...     Based solely on Stevenson not getting its offense in gear...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 09, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
FDU BY 7
DEL-VAL BY 10
ALBRIGHT BY 24

REDSKINS BY 3
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 10, 2015, 01:18:05 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 09, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
FDU BY 7
DEL-VAL BY 10
ALBRIGHT BY 24

REDSKINS BY 3


Simba....did you just pick FDU to win>? Is this an all-time first? :o

Seriously, FDU will have its hands full today. LVC is #2 in conference rushing....and I believe rush defense is FDU's big weakness. If FDU can move the ball, this should be an entertaining game!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 10, 2015, 02:02:18 PM
And at 35-0 in the 2nd, it's getting late awful early for the Devils... :'(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 10, 2015, 02:46:05 PM
Nice game by Del Valley 18-15 winners over Stevenson

2 big plays fumble recovery late (2:30 left in game which led to GW score) and the fumble strip in the first half as the Stevenson player was about or crossing goal line to score which resulted in a touchback.

Now the chase for Albright begins.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 10, 2015, 03:05:40 PM
Quote from: bill on October 10, 2015, 01:18:05 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 09, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
FDU BY 7
DEL-VAL BY 10
ALBRIGHT BY 24

REDSKINS BY 3


Simba....did you just pick FDU to win>? Is this an all-time first? :o

Seriously, FDU will have its hands full today. LVC is #2 in conference rushing....and I believe rush defense is FDU's big weakness. If FDU can move the ball, this should be an entertaining game!

bill...

I thought that after last week's emotional OT win over the Warriors, LEB-VAL would have a "letdown" this week no matter who they played...but the halftime score says otherwise!

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 10, 2015, 03:23:49 PM
Huge Congrats Del Val!!!! - beating an undefeated team on your Homecoming - Way to GO!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 10, 2015, 03:42:38 PM
Quotebman - You may be the only person who can answer this question (maybe Warren Thompson as well).

Not including Stevenson and Miser given that they are newer programs...........has Albright, King's, Wilkes ever had any regular posters on the board?

I think of Widener (you), LebVal (Warren), Lycoming (Simba and another guy from the not-too-distant-past who seems to have disappeared), and FDU (Bill) but I'm not sure that I've ever seen a post from an Albright, King's and Wilkes fan. I love the site and these boards. I guess in the year 2015, there are too many other things to do :(

I don't recall ever seeing a King's poster, even when they were conference contenders with Steven Wilson at LB in the early 2000s. Wilkes' videographer posted on here for a while and is probably the person Bman remembers. He graduated a few years ago and I haven't seen him at a Del Val/Wilkes game in a while now. One of my favorite posters for basketball was a guy with the handle "ColJohn4Life." Haven't seen him in many, many moons.

Lefty, who is a Misericordia guy, is more active on the basketball side.

Stevenson's absence is the most surprising and probably indicative of how this part of the internet has evolved.

In one sense you'd expect the Mustangs to have several posters on here. They have a vibrant athletic program, fantastic facilities and lot of personnel involved with gameday from the players' families to the band to the broadcast crew. They have top-notch online coverage of games -- seriously their video coverage is ESPN level --  and that should translate to an extremely web-savvy audience. But, other than Dave McHugh, no one associated with the program posts on this message board. And Dave, like me, is an inside part of these websites.

When we started these sites, there was no Facebook, Twitter or Reddit. "Blog" hadn't entered the English language and internet coverage was very hit or miss. Some schools had good websites and a few had media coverage, but audio coverage was pretty rare and video coverage was a fantasy. All of that has changed and now the Division III sports audience is more splintered among different websites.  That's a big change from when I was an undergrad and this was the only place to go for informal conversations about Division III sports, short of the tailgate parking lot or the college cafeteria. Back then Widener had a stud receiver who still has my favorite all-time message.  The topic was "Who is the best Division III receiver?" After a string of arguments in favor of different guys, he posted simply: "Me" It wasn't hyberbole.

I miss the old days, but am still thankful for the people who post on this board. We have quality instead of quantity.

Now get off my lawn and turn your music down, you darn kids!

PS - Great win by Del Val. The offense is still very much a work in progress, but the younger defensive players like Shawn Miller and Mark Isaac are developing very nicely.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 10, 2015, 03:56:28 PM
Uggh.

FDU has now given up almost 900 yards rushing in its last two games :o...I wonder what the game plan will be going forward? ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 10, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Gordon, CJ4L is/was a pharmacist at a CVS in the Harrisburg area. He doesn't post much any longer.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
There was a very consistent Lyco poster (pre-Simba) who only disappeared in the last year or two. he was very informative and entertaining. I forget his handle.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 10, 2015, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
There was a very consistent Lyco poster (pre-Simba) who only disappeared in the last year or two. he was very informative and entertaining. I forget his handle.

jmcozenlaw...

That would be my good friend Lyco80....He retired June 2014 with a nice ceremony on Normandy Beach...The Captain is enjoying retirement from the Military and I'm sure he may surprise us some day again with his whit and humor...

And pre-Simba would be a long time ago since I go back to the start of the old board in the late 90's as Pat and others will confirm... :)

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 10, 2015, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
There was a very consistent Lyco poster (pre-Simba) who only disappeared in the last year or two. he was very informative and entertaining. I forget his handle.

jmcozenlaw...

That would be my good friend Lyco80....He retired June 2014 with a nice ceremony on Normandy Beach...The Captain is enjoying retirement from the Military and I'm sure he may surprise us some day again with his whit and humor...

And pre-Simba would be a long time ago since I go back to the start of the old board in the late 90's as Pat and others will confirm... :)

Simba

My bad Simba on the pre-Simba :)

Yes, I loved Lyco80. Miss him. This may not be the year for him to back and surprise us..........although you never know.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 10, 2015, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
There was a very consistent Lyco poster (pre-Simba) who only disappeared in the last year or two. he was very informative and entertaining. I forget his handle.

jmcozenlaw...

That would be my good friend Lyco80....He retired June 2014 with a nice ceremony on Normandy Beach...The Captain is enjoying retirement from the Military and I'm sure he may surprise us some day again with his whit and humor...

And pre-Simba would be a long time ago since I go back to the start of the old board in the late 90's as Pat and others will confirm... :)

Simba

Simba, the board has us as just starters.................bman, Kate, Gordon and Warren are the All-Americans on the MAC Board. I demand a recount  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 10, 2015, 06:10:17 PM
Lyco80 at Normandy...

http://www.lycoming.edu/aboutLycoming/magazine/2014Fall/index.html#34

We all thank him for the many years of service to our Country...

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 10, 2015, 11:14:40 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 10, 2015, 03:42:38 PM
Quotebman - You may be the only person who can answer this question (maybe Warren Thompson as well).

Not including Stevenson and Miser given that they are newer programs...........has Albright, King's, Wilkes ever had any regular posters on the board?

I think of Widener (you), LebVal (Warren), Lycoming (Simba and another guy from the not-too-distant-past who seems to have disappeared), and FDU (Bill) but I'm not sure that I've ever seen a post from an Albright, King's and Wilkes fan. I love the site and these boards. I guess in the year 2015, there are too many other things to do :(



Stevenson's absence is the most surprising and probably indicative of how this part of the internet has evolved.

In one sense you'd expect the Mustangs to have several posters on here. They have a vibrant athletic program, fantastic facilities and lot of personnel involved with gameday from the players' families to the band to the broadcast crew. They have top-notch online coverage of games -- seriously their video coverage is ESPN level --  and that should translate to an extremely web-savvy audience. But, other than Dave McHugh, no one associated with the program posts on this message board. And Dave, like me, is an inside part of these websites.



I am going to say that I have a bit of inside for Stevenson; because my kid is going there as a Freshman in the band's color guard, so I plan on going to most of the home games the next 4 years. I do think a lot of why not many are here is because the school doesn't push or say much about the page or the boards here. I think they are more worried about developing the programs to do well and become established contenders every year. I mean last year was their most successful footballwise (coming into this year) and they played and won an ECAC bowl game. I really only know about here because I'm a Lyco alum from the early 90's and I always wanted to keep track to see how the guys were playing and to watch the playoff scores.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2015, 01:24:39 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 10, 2015, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
There was a very consistent Lyco poster (pre-Simba) who only disappeared in the last year or two. he was very informative and entertaining. I forget his handle.

jmcozenlaw...

That would be my good friend Lyco80....He retired June 2014 with a nice ceremony on Normandy Beach...The Captain is enjoying retirement from the Military and I'm sure he may surprise us some day again with his whit and humor...

And pre-Simba would be a long time ago since I go back to the start of the old board in the late 90's as Pat and others will confirm... :)

Simba

Simba, the board has us as just starters.................bman, Kate, Gordon and Warren are the All-Americans on the MAC Board. I demand a recount  ;)

Too many of Simba's posts were before we moved to the new board in 2005. The "new" board is a decade old!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 11, 2015, 11:36:16 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 10, 2015, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
There was a very consistent Lyco poster (pre-Simba) who only disappeared in the last year or two. he was very informative and entertaining. I forget his handle.

jmcozenlaw...

That would be my good friend Lyco80....He retired June 2014 with a nice ceremony on Normandy Beach...The Captain is enjoying retirement from the Military and I'm sure he may surprise us some day again with his whit and humor...

And pre-Simba would be a long time ago since I go back to the start of the old board in the late 90's as Pat and others will confirm... :)

Simba

Simba, the board has us as just starters.................bman, Kate, Gordon and Warren are the All-Americans on the MAC Board. I demand a recount  ;)

To be fair, I am only all-region....like Simba, I lost a lot of posts on the old board years ago!

wone3  please stay (even after your 4 years with Stevenson)! 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 11, 2015, 03:01:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2015, 01:24:39 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 05:53:36 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 10, 2015, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
There was a very consistent Lyco poster (pre-Simba) who only disappeared in the last year or two. he was very informative and entertaining. I forget his handle.

jmcozenlaw...

That would be my good friend Lyco80....He retired June 2014 with a nice ceremony on Normandy Beach...The Captain is enjoying retirement from the Military and I'm sure he may surprise us some day again with his whit and humor...

And pre-Simba would be a long time ago since I go back to the start of the old board in the late 90's as Pat and others will confirm... :)

Simba

Simba, the board has us as just starters.................bman, Kate, Gordon and Warren are the All-Americans on the MAC Board. I demand a recount  ;)

Too many of Simba's posts were before we moved to the new board in 2005. The "new" board is a decade old!

Count me in that group too. I easily had several hundred posts on the old board!! We can't grandfather them in, huh?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 11, 2015, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: bill on October 10, 2015, 03:56:28 PM
Uggh.

FDU has now given up almost 900 yards rushing in its last two games :o...I wonder what the game plan will be going forward? ;)


Showing how long I have been on here but here goes ... Never remember any Kings posters... There were 2 Wilkes posters but I don't remember their handles off hand without going way back and looking(believe 1 of them was a former player for them). Been a few albright posters here through the years none consistent. Big win for DVU and now the clash of the titans in 2 weeks with Albright. That game should be excellent.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2015, 08:47:58 AM
Quote from: PBR... on October 11, 2015, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: bill on October 10, 2015, 03:56:28 PM
Uggh.

FDU has now given up almost 900 yards rushing in its last two games :o...I wonder what the game plan will be going forward? ;)


Showing how long I have been on here but here goes ... Never remember any Kings posters... There were 2 Wilkes posters but I don't remember their handles off hand without going way back and looking(believe 1 of them was a former player for them). Been a few albright posters here through the years none consistent. Big win for DVU and now the clash of the titans in 2 weeks with Albright. That game should be excellent.

One Wilkes poster who pops in now and then is WUDLINE.  I thought for a while that he was a Widener poster, but he's definitely Wilkes....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AO on October 12, 2015, 10:53:12 AM
At least he was nice enough to use the corkscrew rather than the knife  (http://www.readingeagle.com/news/article/football-player-charged-in-attack-on-teammate-in-albright-college-dormitory)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 12, 2015, 03:02:19 PM
Let's keep it classy Albright/All MAC Teams!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 12, 2015, 04:08:11 PM
That game ought to be interesting tho...I gotta pull for Albright and hope Stevenson can pull out homecoming/Widener and Wilkes to get the big showdown in early November.  :D ;)

It would be nice to be talking about more than Del Valley,Widener or Lyco as the preseason likely candidate for the bid. Makes it a bit more interesting and helps conference SOS to have more successful teams
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 12, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: AO on October 12, 2015, 10:53:12 AM
At least he was nice enough to use the corkscrew rather than the knife  (http://www.readingeagle.com/news/article/football-player-charged-in-attack-on-teammate-in-albright-college-dormitory)

Reading is a tough town, but usually that's outside the school...

It's a shame, as that young man's life has just been made very difficult, and he'll learn very quickly, that whatever it was over, wasn't worth it...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 13, 2015, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: bman on October 06, 2015, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 05, 2015, 02:03:44 PM
I don't think you will see Lycoming recover from this collapse. There "era" is over. An argument can be made for their youth, but there isn't a lot of potential talent that comes with that youth. I am afraid it will be tough for them to get back on top. I see them finishing the season 4-6.

MAF

What "era" are you referencing? 

Lyco has won the MAC outright 1 time since 2000 and has tied for it 3 times in that span...
Not sure you'd call that an "era"...


What I will say is that Lyco is a team that you always comes to play, and is never an easy win, and is always well coached.
Given that the MAC is cyclical and that teams tend to win and lose in runs, I'm not so sure that I'd be definitively stating anything about Lyco (or any other MAC team)...
My (unsupported with any facts guess) is that Lyco has lost a bit of the stranglehold they used to have in recruiting the Philly Catholic League schools...which may coincide with DVUs success in the 2000's   
I'll leave others to opine on that...

An era of historical bias that has spilled over to now. They dominated the 90's and early 2000's. It's been a 3 team league all those years. As you see this year it is not just your typical 3 teams at the top. And I think that trend will continue and we will see this type of season more often than not. The stereotypical Lycoming, Del Val, and Widener battling for 1st is done IMO. Lycoming is just my example because of how things are going this year. Preseason top 25 because of their name not because of who they brought back and who they lost. They are now 1-4 overall and 1-3 in the MAC. You normally don't see a preseason top 25 team perform this way.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 13, 2015, 09:57:29 AM
It's not a slam on any program it's just the way it is shaping up. You see it in multiple sports where the gap is closing nationwide. Those "powerhouse" teams are starting to be beaten. It happens.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2015, 10:48:46 AM
Quote from: bman on October 12, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: AO on October 12, 2015, 10:53:12 AM
At least he was nice enough to use the corkscrew rather than the knife  (http://www.readingeagle.com/news/article/football-player-charged-in-attack-on-teammate-in-albright-college-dormitory)

Reading is a tough town, but usually that's outside the school...

It's a shame, as that young man's life has just been made very difficult, and he'll learn very quickly, that whatever it was over, wasn't worth it...

bman - You think Reading (Albright) and Chester (Widener) are tough towns? Wilkes-Barre is no walk in the park late at night and how about Doylestown? I saw not only a jaywalker in Doylestown last Saturday night but I also saw someone litter. It's time to pack up and move  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on October 13, 2015, 10:57:37 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2015, 10:48:46 AM
Quote from: bman on October 12, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: AO on October 12, 2015, 10:53:12 AM
At least he was nice enough to use the corkscrew rather than the knife  (http://www.readingeagle.com/news/article/football-player-charged-in-attack-on-teammate-in-albright-college-dormitory)

Reading is a tough town, but usually that's outside the school...

It's a shame, as that young man's life has just been made very difficult, and he'll learn very quickly, that whatever it was over, wasn't worth it...

bman - You think Reading (Albright) and Chester (Widener) are tough towns? Wilkes-Barre is no walk in the park late at night and how about Doylestown? I saw not only a jaywalker in Doylestown last Saturday night but I also saw someone litter. It's time to pack up and move  ;)

I was just thinking about that.  My family is from Bethlehem, and I went there every year as a kid till I was about 10.  My mother's family comes from a long line of coal miners, first from Wales, then they immigrated to Eastern, PA.  They lived in what seemed to me a normal every day North American neighborhood (near the Catholic High School/church If I remember correctly). 

Anyway, it looks like the kid who did the stabbing is from Bethlehem?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 13, 2015, 11:08:11 AM
http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/pennsylvania/pa-dangerous-places/

Enjoy!  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 13, 2015, 11:53:27 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2015, 10:48:46 AM
Quote from: bman on October 12, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: AO on October 12, 2015, 10:53:12 AM
At least he was nice enough to use the corkscrew rather than the knife  (http://www.readingeagle.com/news/article/football-player-charged-in-attack-on-teammate-in-albright-college-dormitory)

Reading is a tough town, but usually that's outside the school...

It's a shame, as that young man's life has just been made very difficult, and he'll learn very quickly, that whatever it was over, wasn't worth it...

bman - You think Reading (Albright) and Chester (Widener) are tough towns? Wilkes-Barre is no walk in the park late at night and how about Doylestown? I saw not only a jaywalker in Doylestown last Saturday night but I also saw someone litter. It's time to pack up and move  ;)
Ha!   ....snob
+K though!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 14, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
For all you G A Mangus fans out there...He was just elevated to Offensive Coordinator and Play Caller for the Gamecocks yesterday after Spurrier resigned...Agreed that he and Schuylkill County native QB Adam Knoblauch started the wining tradition at DEL-VAL U is a fact as a previous poster has opined...He was a little "out there" wasn't he while at DVU?...

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 14, 2015, 02:07:01 PM
Quote from: bman on October 13, 2015, 11:53:27 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2015, 10:48:46 AM
Quote from: bman on October 12, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: AO on October 12, 2015, 10:53:12 AM
At least he was nice enough to use the corkscrew rather than the knife  (http://www.readingeagle.com/news/article/football-player-charged-in-attack-on-teammate-in-albright-college-dormitory)

Reading is a tough town, but usually that's outside the school...

It's a shame, as that young man's life has just been made very difficult, and he'll learn very quickly, that whatever it was over, wasn't worth it...

bman - You think Reading (Albright) and Chester (Widener) are tough towns? Wilkes-Barre is no walk in the park late at night and how about Doylestown? I saw not only a jaywalker in Doylestown last Saturday night but I also saw someone litter. It's time to pack up and move  ;)
Ha!   ....snob
+K though!

I too found that hilarious.  ;D :D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 14, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
I work with several of those communities on a regular basis, including Reading. They have a lot to overcome.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 14, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Don't forget the gritty streets of downtown Madison, NJ. The police here sometimes have to issue parking tickets and field noise complaints.... ::)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 14, 2015, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: bill on October 14, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Don't forget the gritty streets of downtown Madison, NJ. The police here sometimes have to issue parking tickets and field noise complaints.... ::)

Are things any worse in Florham?   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 14, 2015, 07:54:06 PM
Yes...no sidewalks ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 15, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 10, 2015, 03:42:38 PM
Quotebman - You may be the only person who can answer this question (maybe Warren Thompson as well).

Not including Stevenson and Miser given that they are newer programs...........has Albright, King's, Wilkes ever had any regular posters on the board?

I think of Widener (you), LebVal (Warren), Lycoming (Simba and another guy from the not-too-distant-past who seems to have disappeared), and FDU (Bill) but I'm not sure that I've ever seen a post from an Albright, King's and Wilkes fan. I love the site and these boards. I guess in the year 2015, there are too many other things to do :(

I don't recall ever seeing a King's poster, even when they were conference contenders with Steven Wilson at LB in the early 2000s. Wilkes' videographer posted on here for a while and is probably the person Bman remembers. He graduated a few years ago and I haven't seen him at a Del Val/Wilkes game in a while now. One of my favorite posters for basketball was a guy with the handle "ColJohn4Life." Haven't seen him in many, many moons.

Lefty, who is a Misericordia guy, is more active on the basketball side.

Stevenson's absence is the most surprising and probably indicative of how this part of the internet has evolved.

In one sense you'd expect the Mustangs to have several posters on here. They have a vibrant athletic program, fantastic facilities and lot of personnel involved with gameday from the players' families to the band to the broadcast crew. They have top-notch online coverage of games -- seriously their video coverage is ESPN level --  and that should translate to an extremely web-savvy audience. But, other than Dave McHugh, no one associated with the program posts on this message board. And Dave, like me, is an inside part of these websites.

When we started these sites, there was no Facebook, Twitter or Reddit. "Blog" hadn't entered the English language and internet coverage was very hit or miss. Some schools had good websites and a few had media coverage, but audio coverage was pretty rare and video coverage was a fantasy. All of that has changed and now the Division III sports audience is more splintered among different websites.  That's a big change from when I was an undergrad and this was the only place to go for informal conversations about Division III sports, short of the tailgate parking lot or the college cafeteria. Back then Widener had a stud receiver who still has my favorite all-time message.  The topic was "Who is the best Division III receiver?" After a string of arguments in favor of different guys, he posted simply: "Me" It wasn't hyberbole.

I miss the old days, but am still thankful for the people who post on this board. We have quality instead of quantity.

Now get off my lawn and turn your music down, you darn kids!

PS - Great win by Del Val. The offense is still very much a work in progress, but the younger defensive players like Shawn Miller and Mark Isaac are developing very nicely.

Howdy Gordon, thanks for remembering me! Sorry I missed you last month at Ralston Field.

I've still been following the boards over the years, and still follow Wilkes Football as much as my weekend schedules allow. I try to catch the Colonels for the bulk of their home games, the local away games at King's and Miseri, and one or two away games at venues I enjoy: LVC in 2010 and 2012, Susquehanna in 2011, Muhlenberg in 2015. It's still fun to see college football played at it's purest level, where everyone is in it for the love of the game, and trends such as chrome helmets and Pro Combat uniforms haven't (yet) crept into the sport as much as the big leagues. I think I speak for many of us in that other things come up that prevent you from seeing as many games as you'd like, but many of them are good activities. I'll be sad to miss the Mayor's Cup game this year for the first time in years, but i'll be spending the day completing Rotary Leadership Institute.

As I look at the conference for football, I see a league that has grown in strength from top to bottom. It's really becoming a climate where any team can knock off any other squad in a given week. The two additions to the league have both been good moves, and you really see an environment where no team can be treated as an automatic "W."

While the Colonels have hit a rough stretch after the Del Val game, I believe you'll see Wilkes play a bigger role in that competitive mix in the future. I've always smiled when I see posters on this board take pride in the schools they graduated from, and the many good developments on each campus in the league. Wilkes has grown and become a stronger institution in many respects since my last season with the team in 2007, and i'm sure it will only be a short time before the program is back in the mix with consistency.

I still keep in touch with ColonelJohn4Life on a semi-regular basis; I will give him all your best! Hats off to Lyco80 on his honorable and well-deserved retirement; the story on Lyco's trips to Normandy was fascinating. And kudos on the Steve Wilson (I believe he played DE) mention; I knew him as Coach Wilson, when he was on the Colonels staff for my freshman season in 2004.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2015, 10:38:22 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 15, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
And kudos on the Steve Wilson (I believe he played DE) mention; I knew him as Coach Wilson, when he was on the Colonels staff for my freshman season in 2004.

Steve Wilson -- man, that guy got screwed so hard by the Wilkes-Barre Touchdown Club. The last year the Melberger Award had any relevance was the year he should have won it but they gave it to a Hartwick quarterback. We should have started naming offensive and defensive players of the year right then and there.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 16, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Last Abbreviated schedule week in conference...

My Picks:

Lycoming  at     King's              Kings has rebounded a bit after the Widener loss.  They are keeping games close.   Lyco's 
                                               miserable season continues.  I think this is a close game, and I think  Kings pulls it out at       
                                               home Kings 28- Lyco 27 

Misericordia   @   Widener           Misericordia is winless, and offensively has been unable to put points on the board.  Given
                                                 WU's defense, this should continue...WU 35 - Mis 13

Albright     @       FDU-Florham    Um...FDU has reverted after a nice start and has burned me after 2 upset picks...I'm salty
                                                  about it, so I'll go Albright 61 - FDU 10     



Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2015, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: bman on October 13, 2015, 11:53:27 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2015, 10:48:46 AM
Quote from: bman on October 12, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: AO on October 12, 2015, 10:53:12 AM
At least he was nice enough to use the corkscrew rather than the knife  (http://www.readingeagle.com/news/article/football-player-charged-in-attack-on-teammate-in-albright-college-dormitory)

Reading is a tough town, but usually that's outside the school...

It's a shame, as that young man's life has just been made very difficult, and he'll learn very quickly, that whatever it was over, wasn't worth it...

bman - You think Reading (Albright) and Chester (Widener) are tough towns? Wilkes-Barre is no walk in the park late at night and how about Doylestown? I saw not only a jaywalker in Doylestown last Saturday night but I also saw someone litter. It's time to pack up and move  ;)
Ha!   ....snob
+K though!

Doylestown is not the Main Line though :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 14, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
For all you G A Mangus fans out there...He was just elevated to Offensive Coordinator and Play Caller for the Gamecocks yesterday after Spurrier resigned...Agreed that he and Schuylkill County native QB Adam Knoblauch started the wining tradition at DEL-VAL U is a fact as a previous poster has opined...He was a little "out there" wasn't he while at DVU?...

Simba

He was more than a little out there but it was amazing what he was able to do without decent facilities at the time, sub-par aid packages and fewer majors than today. A miracle of sorts :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2015, 04:22:14 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 14, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
I work with several of those communities on a regular basis, including Reading. They have a lot to overcome.

There are certainly a few towns in the MAC who have seen better days for many reasons, especially those up in Northeast PA. I hope that the changes come around more quickly!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2015, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: bill on October 14, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Don't forget the gritty streets of downtown Madison, NJ. The police here sometimes have to issue parking tickets and field noise complaints.... ::)

I hear the police have been issuing tickets for that run defense  ;)

the woman's basketball season is right around the corner  :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2015, 04:30:22 PM
Quote from: bman on October 16, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Last Abbreviated schedule week in conference...

My Picks:

Lycoming  at     King's              Kings has rebounded a bit after the Widener loss.  They are keeping games close.   Lyco's 
                                               miserable season continues.  I think this is a close game, and I think  Kings pulls it out at       
                                               home Kings 28- Lyco 27 

Misericordia   @   Widener           Misericordia is winless, and offensively has been unable to put points on the board.  Given
                                                 WU's defense, this should continue...WU 35 - Mis 13

Albright     @       FDU-Florham    Um...FDU has reverted after a nice start and has burned me after 2 upset picks...I'm salty
                                                  about it, so I'll go Albright 61 - FDU 10   

King's - 27      LycoSimba - 23
WidenerKleinsanddefense - 45       Miserthenextqbmustalsothrowtheballicordia - 6
Albrightit'snotthebigthreesyear - 58       FDUgirlshoopsstartsoon - 9
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 16, 2015, 06:50:05 PM
Albright Big Time
Widener Bigger Time
Lyco Little Time
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2015, 08:59:25 AM
Simba

Admittedly, It took me several minutes to figure this out....(I'm a little slow)

Awesome  :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 17, 2015, 09:00:34 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2015, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: bill on October 14, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Don't forget the gritty streets of downtown Madison, NJ. The police here sometimes have to issue parking tickets and field noise complaints.... ::)

I hear the police have been issuing tickets for that run defense  ;)



That's assuming the police can even find said perpetrators... maybe the MP's should issued an AWOL report! :-X
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 17, 2015, 09:55:17 AM
Quote from: bill on October 17, 2015, 09:00:34 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2015, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: bill on October 14, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Don't forget the gritty streets of downtown Madison, NJ. The police here sometimes have to issue parking tickets and field noise complaints.... ::)

I hear the police have been issuing tickets for that run defense  ;)



That's assuming the police can even find said perpetrators... maybe the MP's should issued an AWOL report! :-X

:) :) :)

Bill - I know the men's hoops team was very young and has just about everybody back. Did the women's team reload in a big way? I know they get Crooms (sp) back after the knee injury and they had a few other stud underclassmen behind the Dayon twins.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 17, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
Well....yes, the guys bring everyone back, and there are a few players with a chance to make an impact as freshmen.

As for the ladies, we'll see ;)

Yes, Rachel Groom is back from her knee injury, and don't forget (who could) Shalette Brown. In my opinion, she's one of the top returners in the nation, period.  We'll have to see how they gel as a team. I can say this - there are quite a few physically impressive ladies new to the team. We definitely got taller. Practice only began Thursday, so they're going to need to crank things up.  I'm rather hopeful that we'll be back in a big, big way.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 17, 2015, 11:53:43 AM
There is only one of the 3 games that should be interesting this week. If the underdogs in the other 2 should pull an upset it would be HUGE.

Widener by 17
Albright by 21

Kings vs Lyco - Kings goes pass and hits then it will be a VERY long day for Lyco I think. Kings stays or is forced to the run and it will be a closer game. Still Kings by 7
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 17, 2015, 03:50:37 PM
Congrats to King's - final score Lyco 26/King's 30!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 20, 2015, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: bill on October 17, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
Yes, Rachel Groom is back from her knee injury, and don't forget (who could) Shalette Brown. In my opinion, she's one of the top returners in the nation, period.  We'll have to see how they gel as a team. I can say this - there are quite a few physically impressive ladies new to the team. We definitely got taller. Practice only began Thursday, so they're going to need to crank things up.  I'm rather hopeful that we'll be back in a big, big way.

At least you said "one of"... because the top returning player in both men or women is Sydney Moss. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 20, 2015, 04:20:58 PM
Dave

Oh don't worry, I haven't forgotten about her. She's in a class all by herself. That's why I said "one of"...I'd put Shalette somewhere in the top 10....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 20, 2015, 10:19:51 PM
Del Val's Rasheed Bailey has signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars and is currently on their practice squad!  Congrats to him!!!  Are you watching Eagles?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 21, 2015, 09:00:02 PM
Mid week already and no commentary on this weeks slate of games....which is awesome!  Essentially Albright will look to put themselves totally in the driver's seat, with a win against Del Val.   Del Val's hopes pretty much end with a loss...
Winner of Widener-Stevenson still has hope, and Stevenson's fate lies in their own hands still...if they win on Sat...
And Lyco FDU should be a good one... ;)

Let's have some predictions!

...and it too early for Basketball on this board.... >:(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 23, 2015, 06:58:38 PM
LycoSimba - 37      FDUwomenshoopscantgetherefastenough - 26
King's - 27      Misericordia - 16
LebVal - 27      Wilkes - 23
Widenerkleinsandthebackupfromlastweekandthedefense - 31      Stevenson - 30
Albrightthisistheiryear - 27     DelValthe11newoffensivestartersshowsinthisgame - 14
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 23, 2015, 10:56:42 PM
After listening to both Robin Trower's "Bridge of Sighs" and Peter Frampton's "Frampton Comes Alive" albums,  I am now in "Simba Pi" mode to make my predictions...

Lyco by 10 (Need 4 in a row to break even)
King's by 14
Wilkes by 3
Widener by 14
Del-Val by 7

Now it's time to "Get the Led out" and play "Over the Hills and Far Away" and "Dazed an Confused" with these picks!

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 24, 2015, 12:28:33 AM
OK I'm going to make my actual picks and place my hoped for scenario after it....

Lyco should beat FDU by 14-21 pt range
Kings over Misercordia - I agree with Simba only cause Kings O is doing not much 14 points
Lebanon Valley 3-10 point range winners (Leb Valley has the D, they just need to find their O)
Del Valley vs Albright- Albright by 7-10 point range tho could be even 14
Stevenson-Widener - hate to say it with Family/Homecoming weekend(yes I'm at that game to watch it and my kid at halftime band show) but Widener will squeak it  out by 3-7 point range but definitely no more that 10. Stevenson lost to Widener last year up there by 11 (34-23) and improvement should be on both sides but I think slightly more for Stevenson to make it closer.

My ideal tho would be for both Del Valley and Stevenson to pull it out and turn this to a 3 horse race with only a few weeks left and make the Nov 3 game at Stevenson vs Albright even more interesting and have to wait thru including the last week with the Widener/Del Valley match up.

Either way it has been a fun and interesting year for sure.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 24, 2015, 01:29:03 PM
Delaware Valley looks really good right now against Albright, moving at a different speed.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 24, 2015, 02:14:29 PM
Until they weren't. :)

Albright 20 Delaware Valley 14 at halftime

Delaware Valley takes a quick 14-0 lead on the strength of three nice plays (interception, throwing touchdown, 70-yard touchdown run). But other than that Albright dominates the first half to the tune of an 150-yard advantage. Knight throws for 219 yards and 2 touchdowns and the Aggies run offense has 76 yards on 24 plays and just 37 rushing yards once you set aside the long 70-yard play.

Sobolewski is an impressive kicker, but not so far today -- two missed field goals and a missed PAT take 7 points off the board, but Albright looks like a complete team.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 24, 2015, 02:16:53 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 24, 2015, 02:14:29 PM
Until they weren't. :)

Albright 20 Delaware Valley 14 at halftime

Delaware Valley takes a quick 14-0 lead on the strength of three nice plays (interception, throwing touchdown, 70-yard touchdown run). But other than that Albright dominates the first half to the tune of an 150-yard advantage. Knight throws for 219 yards and 2 touchdowns and the Aggies run offense has 76 yards on 24 carries once you set aside the long 70-yard play.

Sobolewski is an impressive kicker, but not so far today -- two missed field goals and a missed PAT take 7 points off the board, but Albright looks like a complete team.

Yes indeed. Albright settled in and looking really good. Yes, shocking to see the missed field goals by Sobolewski.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 24, 2015, 03:54:14 PM
Aggies 28 - Albright 23 - Huge Congrats Team & Coaches!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 24, 2015, 04:01:08 PM
Great game by Del Val, really impress with this young team. Kudos to Albright as well, they played well too. MAC may have two teams in.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2015, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 24, 2015, 02:16:53 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 24, 2015, 02:14:29 PM
Until they weren't. :)

Albright 20 Delaware Valley 14 at halftime

Delaware Valley takes a quick 14-0 lead on the strength of three nice plays (interception, throwing touchdown, 70-yard touchdown run). But other than that Albright dominates the first half to the tune of an 150-yard advantage. Knight throws for 219 yards and 2 touchdowns and the Aggies run offense has 76 yards on 24 carries once you set aside the long 70-yard play.

Sobolewski is an impressive kicker, but not so far today -- two missed field goals and a missed PAT take 7 points off the board, but Albright looks like a complete team.

Yes indeed. Albright settled in and looking really good. Yes, shocking to see the missed field goals by Sobolewski.

In an absolute stunner in Reading, the Kiddie Corps from DelVal came back from a 20-14 halftime deficit to upset previously unbeaten Albright. Albright was about to go up by two touchdowns and the Aggies stoned them at the two and at the one. I did not see this coming whatsoever.......this game and this season to date. My, how I'd like to be playing Wilkes now instead of week two as the eleven brand new starters on the offensive side start to build a little cohesion.

I don't know the final, but I almost swallowed my teeth when I saw Widener losing 31-0 at halftime to Stevenson. WTH?!?!?! It looks like the Aggies still have a slight chance to pull off a miracle season!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2015, 04:13:34 PM
Gordon - It sounds like you had a few "Albright roughnecks" seating in the crowd near the box. The mic picked it up and turned it into an "R-Rated" broadcast  8-) Did that insanely loud, crude guy..........the one cursing and screaming, "kill them" and yelling at the refs every other play (you even mentioned him) look just about how he sounded? I have a picture in my mind. Please confirm  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 24, 2015, 04:24:12 PM
wone3:

LVC 48, Wilkes 17. It seems the Dutchmen didn't have to look very hard to "find their O" this afternoon.  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 24, 2015, 11:54:29 PM
Yeah, I guess it didn't take much to find it but it seemed to take a holiday against Stevenson.

Those of us at the game today with Stevenson and Widener were thinking the same thing after that 31-0 half time score, it was CRAZY. Widener looked like in the first half like they were flat and just not ready to play, making mistakes that they usually don't do. Stevenson seemed to play "prevent zone" in the second half and kind of let Widener back in but play calling was a bit weird by Stevenson in that second half also. Also it seems Stevenson was not using their usual starting QB, not sure of the reason there.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 25, 2015, 09:50:54 AM
A couple of comments on the Stevenson/Widener Game, then a few MAC comments.

1.  Stevenson is just a better team than Widener.  Widener just doesn't have enough talent at the skill positions to compete for a conference title.   I was scratching my head at the play calling all day, but I am assuming that's what they feel best suits the talent on the field.   

2. I have to say that after 7 weeks, I am befuddled that they continue to use the jet sweep.  It has not worked, it does not work, and will not work...but we continue to see a version of it every week.

3. Stevenson has a nice defense.   They will have to improve offensively to be a threat to other playoff caliber teams.

Also
Time to give JM his due...
JM, you called it at the end of last season...  You clearly said that DVU had recruits that would step in, and transfers that would make an impact.   I have been kind of ready to acknowledge this for a couple weeks, but this week's win, cements that you were spot on in your assessment...kudos, and I bow to your knowledge!!!  and Kudos on a great win.   
I will say that I actually feel a bit bad for Albright...  they never seem to get that one win that cements them into a sole conference win...but clearly they are a playoff worthy team.   

So...
WU officially out...
3 teams at 1 loss

Del Val -  Holds tiebreaker wins over Albright and Stevenson  - controls it's own destiny...games with Leb Val, Lyco and Widener left
Albright - Needs a win over Stevenson and a Del Val loss  - not sure about Pool C contention at this point.  Need to check Wally Wabash's SOS listing
Stevenson - Needs a win over Albright and a Del Val loss - see above for Pool C

One final note...good wins (expected ;)) by Lyco and Leb Val, but I just realized I have absolutely no idea who won the Kings/Miseriacordia game.... :-[


Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 25, 2015, 12:10:28 PM
bman- looked like there were 3 at least day ending injuries ( wasn't sure on Widener side but their start QB, cause if you look at stats he only had like a few plays and they went to back-up as well).

Stevenson is installing a new offense, I think all season it seems; and this wasn't Stevenson's usual starting QB, which has me scratching my head. The play calling on both sides seemed strange all day long. I was expecting more on Widener's D cause they are even better ranked than Stevenson's D. Granted Widener did a very nice job on the Stevenson run game in most cases which was hugely expected. Stevenson has put the "pressure" on the D side in games; but that is because they have older more experience guys and will graduate a few keys on that side. Offense will lose a WR and maybe not much more; most of the key skilled experience guys are either Juniors or Sophomores.


MAC:

Nice wins by Lyco and Lebanon Valley...

Congrats on the big win by Del Valley, and now the 3 horse race in the final weeks. I'm hoping one of the final 3 will find a way to knock off Del Valley. Stevenson/Albright in 2 weeks becomes fun (making the assumption both win next week against Wilkes & Kings). Good luck to all still in the race and hopefully no more injuries ( serious or otherwise).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 25, 2015, 12:12:55 PM
Just looked for the Kings score- 28-14 win over Misercordia.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 25, 2015, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: bman on October 25, 2015, 09:50:54 AM
A couple of comments on the Stevenson/Widener Game, then a few MAC comments.

1.  Stevenson is just a better team than Widener.  Widener just doesn't have enough talent at the skill positions to compete for a conference title.   I was scratching my head at the play calling all day, but I am assuming that's what they feel best suits the talent on the field.   

2. I have to say that after 7 weeks, I am befuddled that they continue to use the jet sweep.  It has not worked, it does not work, and will not work...but we continue to see a version of it every week.

3. Stevenson has a nice defense.   They will have to improve offensively to be a threat to other playoff caliber teams.

Also
Time to give JM his due...
JM, you called it at the end of last season...  You clearly said that DVU had recruits that would step in, and transfers that would make an impact.   I have been kind of ready to acknowledge this for a couple weeks, but this week's win, cements that you were spot on in your assessment...kudos, and I bow to your knowledge!!!  and Kudos on a great win.   
I will say that I actually feel a bit bad for Albright...  they never seem to get that one win that cements them into a sole conference win...but clearly they are a playoff worthy team.   

So...
WU officially out...
3 teams at 1 loss

Del Val -  Holds tiebreaker wins over Albright and Stevenson  - controls it's own destiny...games with Leb Val, Lyco and Widener left
Albright - Needs a win over Stevenson and a Del Val loss  - not sure about Pool C contention at this point.  Need to check Wally Wabash's SOS listing
Stevenson - Needs a win over Albright and a Del Val loss - see above for Pool C

One final note...good wins (expected ;)) by Lyco and Leb Val, but I just realized I have absolutely no idea who won the Kings/Miseriacordia game.... :-[

bman - There have been many stunning accomplishments to DelVal's season so far but the one that blows my mind is the 11 new starters on offense. Pat and Gordon could not remember anything like that ever happening. They also have seven new starters on defense as well with a season ending injury to a linebacker.

The most amazing thing has been that with the exception of a transfer running back, the offense consists of some freshmen and underclassmen on the roster last year. The transfer QB and WR haven't done much. One never knows from season to season who is and isn't coming back, but this entire offense, with the exception of a tight end, all comes back next year. It looks like they found their next four year starter at QB and they have some speed in the backfield. They also have some stud freshmen at wide receiver........if they could ever get the passing game going.

Interesting factoid.......since the week two game at Wilkes, the Colonels haven't won (the Aggies game was their Super Bowl) and the Aggies haven't lost, including hanging the only losses on both Albright and Stevenson.

I think the Aggies have another loss or two in these final three, but the building blocks for the next couple of years are absolutely in place. Another very strong recruiting year and they will be in the mix for the next few years. If they run the table, Coach Greco should be the overwhelming favorite for MAC Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 26, 2015, 05:32:52 PM
I know much can happen with three weeks remaining in the season, but what is the chance MAC conference gets 2 teams in this years NCAA playoffs again? If so, what teams do you believe will get the two bids?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 26, 2015, 06:12:47 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 26, 2015, 05:32:52 PM
I know much can happen with three weeks remaining in the season, but what is the chance MAC conference gets 2 teams in this years NCAA playoffs again? If so, what teams do you believe will get the two bids?

Assuming they all  win out, the winner of the Stevenson/Albright game would be a consideration.   Albright would have the better chance if they won against Stevenson, as their out of conference win against Salisbury is standing up right now.   Barring a trip up for either team, Salisbury vs. Wesley will be for the NJAC.  If Albright beats a OOC conference champ, inherently their SOS and Strength of opponent's schedule should put them in the mix.  Stevenson's OOC game will hurt them as NC Wesleyan's W/L record = not good...
Wally Wabash does a great job on Pool C on the General Topics board, and he should put the first estimate out there in about a week.

Please stick around with us, we need more MAC posters!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 28, 2015, 02:58:35 PM
Recently, I came across this article mentioning the possibility of spring practice with pads. From my understanding, this was narrowly defeated in a vote at last years NCAA D3 Convention, but it looks like it's making another pushed again. What is the communities thought on spring practice with pads being implemented in D3 and more specifically in the MAC conference?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 28, 2015, 03:03:32 PM
It will not happen. There is not enough support for it Division-wide, and there's no way the MAC (and in my opinion, the NESCAC and Centennial) will ever buy in either. There's actually support for shortening non-traditional seasons, not expanding them like this....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 28, 2015, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: bill on October 28, 2015, 03:03:32 PM
It will not happen. There is not enough support for it Division-wide, and there's no way the MAC (and in my opinion, the NESCAC and Centennial) will ever buy in either. There's actually support for shortening non-traditional seasons, not expanding them like this....

I hope it doesn't come to be.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2015, 03:48:50 PM
It won't happen in the near term only because all seasons and non-traditional seasons are being evaluated right now by the NCAA subcommittee on practice and playing seasons. So the entire system for all sports is being reconsidered and I suspect a number of items will be changed when those findings are released.

The MAC was actually all over the place... believe it or not, most said yes to the idea, but not all.

Here is how it broke down:

 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
Football SchoolsQuestion 5Question 5 Reconsidered
AlbrightNOYES
Delaware ValleyYESYES
FDU-FlorhamNONO
King'sYESYES
Lebanon ValleyYESYES
LycomingYESYES
MisericordiaYESYES
StevensonYESYES
WidenerNONO
WilkesYESYES

And here is how the rest of the conference voted:

 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
Other SchoolsQuestion 5Question 5 Reconsidered
AlverniaAbstainedAbstained
ArcadiaAbstainedYES
DeSalesYES(no vote registered)
EasternAbstainedNO
HoodAbstainedAbstained
ManhattanvilleYESYES
MessiahYESYES


As for the overall vote... the first time it was defeated: 188-202-86. Then when it was reconsidered: 196-212-26
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 28, 2015, 04:12:13 PM
Dave

Thanks for putting the numbers to it! I didn't know the breakdowns off the top of my head ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 28, 2015, 04:41:14 PM
No problem... you can find how everyone voted here: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015%20NCAA%20DIII%20Convention%20Roll%20Call%20Votes%20Report.pdf (http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015%20NCAA%20DIII%20Convention%20Roll%20Call%20Votes%20Report.pdf)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 29, 2015, 09:36:03 AM
As a player, I enjoyed spring ball with pads. We scrimmaged a lot and got to play football. That was fun.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 29, 2015, 10:02:21 AM
Which makes me wonder?  Is there player input on this?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2015, 10:16:32 AM
The National SCAC did have an opinion on the matter... they speak before each bill is presented and state whether they are for or against this.

If memory serves (I will try and look it up), the SCAC was for it. I think it was the only bill last January they spoke on the opposite side of where the bill eventually lead. Now, I might be confusing that with another controversial bill... which is why I will try and look it up.

The idea is far more complicated than just allowing more padded practices. I don't have the time to write them all up and why, but with pads means athletic training staffs have to be onsite, probably two people, which stretches many school's AT programs, there is the amount of time student-athletes are involved or being told they need to be involved in sports (i.e. more practice time), safety and health, and the true Division III student-athlete experience. I know many ATs are against the pads for many of those reasons. Again, don't have time to get into it, but it isn't cut and dry as to whether there are pads or no pads.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 30, 2015, 05:42:06 PM
Prediction Time:

Bman - 37      Simba - 20
FDU - 33      Misericordia - 18
Stevenson - 31      Wilkes - 13
Albright - 41      King's - 23
DelVal - 24      LebVal - 23
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 30, 2015, 11:06:18 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 30, 2015, 05:42:06 PM
Prediction Time:

Bman - 37      Simba - 20
FDU - 33      Misericordia - 18
Stevenson - 31      Wilkes - 13
Albright - 41      King's - 23
DelVal - 24      LebVal - 23

Like your choices...and for the most point the spread except I think you a bit high for Kings...that should be at least a 21 point for Albright.

That Del Valley / Leb Valley game is gonna be fun to watch the score on for sure. Leb Valley stays out of their own way by keeping the turnovers and opportunity for them down and they could pull the win out. I'm basing it from watching both games online vs Stevenson.

Safe games for all teams!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 31, 2015, 09:27:49 AM
And here I thought ESPN Gamday would be at the Widener/Lyco game today!  :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 31, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Had a busy week, and didn't have a lot of time to research this week... >:(


I like JM's predictions with a few twists:

Widener - 24    -   Lyco - 23 - which ends an a blocked fake punt in overtime ;D
Misericordia - 35   FDU 21    -  sorry Bill, your boys have burned me a few times this year!
Stevenson - 31   -   Wilkes - 13 - JM going with your score here....
Albright - 35  -    King's - 13 - just don't see Kings being able to score here...but what an improvement over the beginning of the season
DelVal - 35      LebVal - 20  - If DelVal loses, I'll have no idea on how to vote for anything in the East fan poll... ???
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on October 31, 2015, 11:48:41 AM
Widener/Lyco (pick'em +1)
MiserableCordia by 7
Stevie by 10
The Bright ones by 14
The Agonizers by 7
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 31, 2015, 03:39:02 PM
That was close - Congratulations on a good win Del Val!  Aggies 28/Leb Val 21.  Whew!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 01, 2015, 11:30:41 AM
Kudos JM for basically calling the Stevenson score and being very close on the Albright one outside of the late junk TD!

Congrats Kate...one down and 2 to go...would be nice for Lyco to find themselves and actually play this close or better to knock Del Valley out but I don't see it. The Widener game last week is gonna be fun to watch ( especially to this week's winner of Stevenson/Albright game).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2015, 08:05:22 AM
Quote from: Simba on October 31, 2015, 11:48:41 AM
Widener/Lyco (pick'em +1)
MiserableCordia by 7
Stevie by 10
The Bright ones by 14
The Agonizers by 7

Simba - What the h#$% happened on Saturday??? Did you leave the 4 out before the 1? I can't recall a Lyco season like this nor a Lyco/Widener score so lopsided. I expected DelVal and Lyco to both struggle this year given their decimated rosters but at least DelVal is showing up and competing. I have a feeling that after the Widener embarrassment, Lyco and DelVal will be a very close game that could go either way.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 02, 2015, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: bman on October 31, 2015, 10:07:57 AM

Misericordia - 35   FDU 21    -  sorry Bill, your boys have burned me a few times this year!?

I can't say I'm upset, but it looks like we burned you again :)

Misericordia, with all due respect, doesn't have the strongest defense - but FDU is a totally different offense when Maurer is at QB!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 03, 2015, 10:10:13 AM


QuoteSimba - What the h#$% happened on Saturday??? Did you leave the 4 out before the 1? I can't recall a Lyco season like this nor a Lyco/Widener score so lopsided. I expected DelVal and Lyco to both struggle this year given their decimated rosters but at least DelVal is showing up and competing. I have a feeling that after the Widener embarrassment, Lyco and DelVal will be a very close game that could go either way

jmcozenlaw...

It was called "a good 'ol fashion whup ass!"...
No consistent line play from our offensive line (total offense 125yds with an ave. of only 2yds/play)...
This comes after two games where our RB, Bowman scored eight rushing TD's!...
No gains on first or second down (ave. of 9.6yds to go on third down)...
So do you think they were blitzing on all third downs? (6 sacks)
Our defense gave up 450+ yards...
Five turnovers...
Need I say more?...
Remember earlier in the season when I said that if Albright won, we would have a loosing season since they had not won from '77 to '04 and when they did win in '04, '06 and '07, we had a loosing record?...Well now 2015 can be added to that string...

One thing positive...Our seniors will graduate with a degree from a great school and when all things are said and done, that is what's important!...

Simba

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 03, 2015, 01:13:41 PM
Well said on the end of your last post simba.

On a slight different turn, think the boys could be up for a bit of spoiler play to help the winner of another game this week??

Albright vs Stevenson is going to be interesting for sure. Stevenson is working with a new QB since the Widener game and has picked up on the offense decently. No idea why the change at all.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 03, 2015, 01:47:51 PM
QuoteOn a slight different turn, think the boys could be up for a bit of spoiler play to help the winner of another game this week??

I do. I'm not saying Lycoming will win but it won't be 48-6 or whatever the Widener score was.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 03, 2015, 01:47:51 PM
QuoteOn a slight different turn, think the boys could be up for a bit of spoiler play to help the winner of another game this week??

I do. I'm not saying Lycoming will win but it won't be 48-6 or whatever the Widener score was.

DelVal is the only team that lost more starters, and a quite a few more at that, than Lycoming, so I certainly see a very close game. Lyco took LebVal into overtime and DelVal needed a 92 yard TD pass to beat LebVal.

Like Simba's prediction last week, I think that this is a +1 pick 'em game that the Aggies pull out in the end.

And Simba, you're right, for all of the players at all of the schools, the degree is what matters most. As a professor once told me, accounting is accounting and the CPA exam is the CPA exam. Whether the degree reads Harvard, Penn, Lycoming, Widener, DelVal, Bucks County Community College or Claremont Mudd Scripps (my favorite crazy college name of all time)........a debit is a debit, a credit is a credit and nothing changes that no matter where one went to school ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 04, 2015, 04:49:20 PM
Lot's of talk about todays NCAA regional rankings. The MAC placed three teams in the top ten: Delaware Valley (2), Albright (6), and Stevenson (7). Important game this week for Albright/Stevenson for not only conference championship race, but also possible pool C bid. Maybe the MAC gets two bids again!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 04, 2015, 06:02:33 PM
Real nice article on Del Val in the "Around the Region" column today by Jason Bowen.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
MAC to team up with the Centennial for post-season bowl games - pulling out of the ECAC debacle: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
MAC to team up with the Centennial for post-season bowl games - pulling out of the ECAC debacle: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls)

What the ECAC did is a good example of what in Germany is called "improving things by making them worse."
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
MAC to team up with the Centennial for post-season bowl games - pulling out of the ECAC debacle: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls)

What the ECAC did is a good example of what in Germany is called "improving things by making them worse."

Verschlimmbesserung
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2015, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
MAC to team up with the Centennial for post-season bowl games - pulling out of the ECAC debacle: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls)

What the ECAC did is a good example of what in Germany is called "improving things by making them worse."

Verschlimmbesserung

Pat, and here I thought you majored in Spanish.  ???
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 05, 2015, 06:16:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
MAC to team up with the Centennial for post-season bowl games - pulling out of the ECAC debacle: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls)

What the ECAC did is a good example of what in Germany is called "improving things by making them worse."

Verschlimmbesserung

Gesundheit!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 05, 2015, 10:00:46 PM
Quote from: pg04 on November 05, 2015, 06:16:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
MAC to team up with the Centennial for post-season bowl games - pulling out of the ECAC debacle: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls)

What the ECAC did is a good example of what in Germany is called "improving things by making them worse."

Verschlimmbesserung

Gesundheit!

Danke  ;) +K

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 11:03:28 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2015, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
MAC to team up with the Centennial for post-season bowl games - pulling out of the ECAC debacle: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls)

What the ECAC did is a good example of what in Germany is called "improving things by making them worse."

Verschlimmbesserung

Pat, and here I thought you majored in Spanish.  ???

I'm trying to learn German to support my choral singing habit. But I used Google for this. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 06, 2015, 08:42:35 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 11:03:28 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2015, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
MAC to team up with the Centennial for post-season bowl games - pulling out of the ECAC debacle: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/centennial-mac-pull-out-of-ecac-bowls)

What the ECAC did is a good example of what in Germany is called "improving things by making them worse."

Verschlimmbesserung

Pat, and here I thought you majored in Spanish.  ???

I'm trying to learn German to support my choral singing habit. But I used Google for this. :)

Pep had a glockenspiel in the pep band one year but the band has yet to try singing the fight song in German. When we get the translation, Pat, Pep will let you know.  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on November 06, 2015, 08:56:34 AM
I would guess that any two conferences establishing a post season bowl game would agree not to compete inter-conference during the regular season.  How well might repeat games go over if it happened?  ??? ???
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 06, 2015, 12:44:48 PM
Heck, it could be worse. This new arrangement will at least avoid the situation we had back in 1999, when FDU played Wilkes in the ECAC bowl...again. Uggh.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 06, 2015, 01:12:46 PM
Why not add a 3rd game in which the 2 last place teams play each other...
Then potentially one conference could say "We are truly better Top to Bottom"... :P
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 06, 2015, 03:07:09 PM
So, Pat, you're learning German for musical purposes? Then the D3 world fully expects to read glowing reviews in the STRIB's
arts section of your solo in the Minneapolis Symphony's coming production of Wagner's "Ring Cycle."  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 06, 2015, 04:59:35 PM
Prediction Time........and JM has been doing OK  ;)

LebVal - 34      King's - 19
Wilkesseasonwasdelvalgamebutthatwasweektwo - 23      Miserablestill - 15
Bman - 54      FDUwomeshoopsstartsnextweek - 12
Albright - 27      Stevenson - 23
DelVal11newonoffense7newondefenseandanewpunterandkicker - 24      LycoSimbatooklebvalintoovertimeandisplayingforprideaftergettingeatenbythepride - 23 (+1 pick 'em  ;)  )
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 07, 2015, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 06, 2015, 04:59:35 PM
Prediction Time........and JM has been doing OK  ;)

LebVal - 34      King's - 19
Wilkesseasonwasdelvalgamebutthatwasweektwo - 23      Miserablestill - 15
Bman - 54      FDUwomeshoopsstartsnextweek - 12
Albright - 27      Stevenson - 23
DelVal11newonoffense7newondefenseandanewpunterandkicker - 24      LycoSimbatooklebvalintoovertimeandisplayingforprideaftergettingeatenbythepride - 23 (+1 pick 'em  ;)  )

I think you are about right on these JM.

I'm kind of hoping you are slightly wrong with the Albright game (I'll be there as it is last home reg season game for Stevenson to watch my kiddo in the band) I'm hoping my guys at Lyco (lyco alum here for me) will play the spoiler but not quite counting on it. I also wouldn't mind the loss based on this week's news about the new bowl series cause it would be likely Stevenson would host one of those 2 games.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 07, 2015, 10:45:40 AM
The Agonizers 28. The Patty Smyth Warriors 14
Colonel Sanders 21. MiserableCordia 7
Charlie Pride 48  bill  0
Warren Zevon 21. King Obama 17
Stevie Wonder 24  The Bright Ones 21

Lagers, Bleenies, kielbasa and bean soup on the Gameday menu for the Skooks today...The aroma in the air should be good before, during but I don't know about after consumption!

Simba out...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2015, 10:54:31 AM
FDU-Florham-Widener          Widener   45   FDU 21         Hope my curse of FDU ends today!
Albright- Stevenson             Albright 31 Stevenson 21     Albright just too much for Stevenson
King's - Lebanon Valley        Leb Valley 24 - Kings 23      Kings playing for pride at this point
Delaware Valley - Lycoming  Del Val 31 - Lyco 14            Sorry Simba, DVU just too much this year
Wilkes - Misericordia            Wilkes 45 - Misericordia 20  Wilkes piling on to their win total!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:06:13 PM
Gordon Mann & LycoSimba - Please inform the Lycoming athletics department that the video feed is of the exciting Lycoming vs. Widener Women's Soccer Game. Let's go.......wake somebody up  ???
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2015, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:06:13 PM
Gordon Mann & LycoSimba - Please inform the Lycoming athletics department that the video feed is of the exciting Lycoming vs. Widener Women's Soccer Game. Let's go.......wake somebody up  ???

Who's winning?   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:43:07 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2015, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:06:13 PM
Gordon Mann & LycoSimba - Please inform the Lycoming athletics department that the video feed is of the exciting Lycoming vs. Widener Women's Soccer Game. Let's go.......wake somebody up  ???

Who's winning?   ;D

DelVal is running up and down the field but the lovely punt returner just gagged on a punt and Lyco recovered a fumble at the 3 and scored. 7-7.

Gordon........it sounds like the loud, obnoxious, potty mouthed "adult" fans aren't just an Albright issue. I can clearly hear some of the "animals" at Lyco on the broadcast. They must be a few feet away from you  ;)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:44:50 PM
Gordon - I haven't seen or heard about Michael Fowler as much as bobbling a punt........let alone fumbling one. Why in God's name is Anusky back there instead of a sure handed kid like Fowler?????
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2015, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:43:07 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2015, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:06:13 PM
Gordon Mann & LycoSimba - Please inform the Lycoming athletics department that the video feed is of the exciting Lycoming vs. Widener Women's Soccer Game. Let's go.......wake somebody up  ???

Who's winning?   ;D

DelVal is running up and down the field but the lovely punt returner just gagged on a punt and Lyco recovered a fumble at the 3 and scored. 7-7.

Gordon........it sounds like the loud, obnoxious, potty mouthed "adult" fans aren't just an Albright issue. I can clearly hear some of the "animals" at Lyco on the broadcast. They must be a few feet away from you  ;)

It happens anywhere the mic can pick up fans...
I flip across video feeds to all of the top 10 East teams during Saturday's games (and even some non top 10).   Montclair's coaches are so bad, I almost want to send someone a note so they can hear how they sound (=classless)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2015, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:43:07 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2015, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:06:13 PM
Gordon Mann & LycoSimba - Please inform the Lycoming athletics department that the video feed is of the exciting Lycoming vs. Widener Women's Soccer Game. Let's go.......wake somebody up  ???

Who's winning?   ;D

DelVal is running up and down the field but the lovely punt returner just gagged on a punt and Lyco recovered a fumble at the 3 and scored. 7-7.

Gordon........it sounds like the loud, obnoxious, potty mouthed "adult" fans aren't just an Albright issue. I can clearly hear some of the "animals" at Lyco on the broadcast. They must be a few feet away from you  ;)

It happens anywhere the mic can pick up fans...
I flip across video feeds to all of the top 10 East teams during Saturday's games (and even some non top 10).   Montclair's coaches are so bad, I almost want to send someone a note so they can hear how they sound (=classless)

I sat right below the Montclair coaches the first game of the year and they were complete trash. I was looking up and them and calling them, "Joisey Shore"  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 02:00:11 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2015, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 01:06:13 PM
Gordon Mann & LycoSimba - Please inform the Lycoming athletics department that the video feed is of the exciting Lycoming vs. Widener Women's Soccer Game. Let's go.......wake somebody up  ???

Who's winning?   ;D

3 play, 80 yard drive.
Aggies up 14-10
187 yards rushing midway thru the second quarter.

Still stunned what this offense has done with nobody returning from last year.
Offensive line seems to be getting better each week.
Too young to make noise this year.
Will struggle against Widener next week IMO.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 02:08:00 PM
It's starting to rain touchdown passes for the Aggies. Really.......I'm not kidding!! 4th down TD pass. Aggies 21-7. Lyco's lone score on punt return fumble recovery inside DelVal's 3 yard line.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2015, 02:15:19 PM
Stevenson is up 21-17 at the half...they look pretty good.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 02:16:33 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2015, 02:15:19 PM
Stevenson is up 21-17 at the half...they look pretty good.

That was quick!! Albright was up 17-7
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 02:18:26 PM
Lyco scores to make it 21-14 with a few seconds left in the half

DelVal returns the kickoff 97 yards for a TD!!!!!

28-14
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 02:22:24 PM
LycoSimba - Is that what they teach at Lyco?? DelVal returns a kickoff 97 yards, after Lyco scored to make it 21 - 14, with seconds left in the first half and also Lyco got 15 yards for an unsportsmanlike penalty for somebody on the sidelines trying to trip the returner. Tsk, tsk, tsk!!!  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2015, 02:24:34 PM
Misericordia leading Wilkes at the half, 21-7...

Still can't get the Wesley-Salisbury feed working...

My impression of Wesley is this:
Defense is not good...
Offense good, but too much QB dependent...
The East's best team is very flawed...

I would guess Wesley will be a 3rd round blowout victim....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2015, 02:24:34 PM
Misericordia leading Wilkes at the half, 21-7...

Still can't get the Wesley-Salisbury feed working...

My impression of Wesley is this:
Defense is not good...
Offense good, but too much QB dependent...
The East's best team is very flawed...

I would guess Wesley will be a 3rd round blowout victim....

The words "Wesley" and "defense is not good" seem so strange when placed together.

Bman, I'll go to my grave 100% resolute with the knowledge that the best teams outside of the East......their best players, would be D-1AA or D-II players around here. there is no doubt in my mind that their are players on Mount Union, UWW, Linfield, UMHB and about 10-12 other teams that could play for Patriot League teams and PSAC (Bloomsburg, Kutztown, West Chester, etc.) teams. No doubt in my mind.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2015, 02:51:48 PM
Salisbury beating Wesley should improve Albright's chances if they win today...

HUGE effort by Salisbury today...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2015, 02:51:48 PM
Salisbury beating Wesley should improve Albright's chances if they win today...

HUGE effort by Salisbury today...

WOW!!! Since the video feed crapped out, again, I can't wait to hear from wesleydad!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 03:10:01 PM
BMan - I'm not sure that I've ever seen anything like this. How bad is MAC defense this year??

Passing stats at the half:

Widener: 26 for 37......256 yards......3 TD's
FDU (yes, I said FDU): 26 for 41......305 yards......2 TD's

WTF?!?!?!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 04:05:18 PM
Aggies about to choke up this game to Lycoming. Freshman mistakes across the board. You can't count on freshman!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 06, 2015, 04:59:35 PM
Prediction Time........and JM has been doing OK  ;)

LebVal - 34      King's - 19
Wilkesseasonwasdelvalgamebutthatwasweektwo - 23      Miserablestill - 15
Bman - 54      FDUwomeshoopsstartsnextweek - 12
Albright - 27      Stevenson - 23
DelVal11newonoffense7newondefenseandanewpunterandkicker - 24      LycoSimbatooklebvalintoovertimeandisplayingforprideaftergettingeatenbythepride - 23 (+1 pick 'em  ;)  )

LycoSimba - I called a one point game........just had the wrong side  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 04:15:55 PM
Congrats to MAC Champ Albright as the Kiddie Corps from DelVal choked up a big one today. 21 point lead.

Freshman..........they can be lethal to rely on at times. One of those times just occurred  :(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 07, 2015, 04:24:12 PM
Congrats to Lyco, but that one hurt.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 07, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Well that was painful. :)

First off, big ups to Lycoming. Down by 21, it never felt the Warriors were out of it because Del Val's defense couldn't get any stops. Whiteman played great, Umpleby was unstoppable and Bowman made a big conversion on third and long when a stop could've set Del Val up to put the game away. There were lots of chances to make the one more play that makes the difference and the Aggies couldn't do it.

Simba and company should enjoy this one.

We'll see if Del Val can rebound next week against Widener. Whatever happens, it's been a good season for a really young team. But it will feel less like that if they finish the season with two losses.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 07, 2015, 04:37:08 PM
And so goes an opportunity for 2 MAC teams in the playoffs...
Wesley will breathe a bit easier...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 07, 2015, 08:45:45 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 02:16:33 PM
Quote from: bman on November 07, 2015, 02:15:19 PM
Stevenson is up 21-17 at the half...they look pretty good.

That was quick!! Albright was up 17-7

Score and then forced fumble recovery on 2. Problem is while Albright is good, they can and will get clobbered in first round I think. Stevenson drove first score and was driving again and called a "cutesy" flea-flicker play on forth and goal that was picked off and run back taking momentum all game.
I give the Stevenson guys credit for fight; but anyone who figures the play action and has a defender shadow Albright's QB will beat them badly and Albright is dead in the water unless they do have a good pass attack that we didn't see today. I'm not over impressed to see them make a major run in the playoffs. They were somewhat decent on run; but Stevenson made some really nice runs and the defense in pass can be picked apart on slants and screens. If the Stevenson new freshman QB could've been more accurate in a few deep balls; then Albright would've been in trouble and playing from behind. Albright is solid but not overpowering and very easily beat by more rounded teams.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 07, 2015, 09:00:56 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 07, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Well that was painful. :)

First off, big ups to Lycoming. Down by 21, it never felt the Warriors were out of it because Del Val's defense couldn't get any stops. Whiteman played great, Umpleby was unstoppable and Bowman made a big conversion on third and long when a stop could've set Del Val up to put the game away. There were lots of chances to make the one more play that makes the difference and the Aggies couldn't do it.

Simba and company should enjoy this one.

We'll see if Del Val can rebound next week against Widener. Whatever happens, it's been a good season for a really young team. But it will feel less like that if they finish the season with two losses.

Hopefully they win next week and continue into the post season (ECAC Bowl).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 07, 2015, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 07, 2015, 09:00:56 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 07, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Well that was painful. :)

First off, big ups to Lycoming. Down by 21, it never felt the Warriors were out of it because Del Val's defense couldn't get any stops. Whiteman played great, Umpleby was unstoppable and Bowman made a big conversion on third and long when a stop could've set Del Val up to put the game away. There were lots of chances to make the one more play that makes the difference and the Aggies couldn't do it.

Simba and company should enjoy this one.

We'll see if Del Val can rebound next week against Widener. Whatever happens, it's been a good season for a really young team. But it will feel less like that if they finish the season with two losses.

Hopefully they win next week and continue into the post season (ECAC Bowl).

Bowl game yes but not ECAC since they made the stupid move for a central location in Conn. Centennial and MAC put together 2 games for the top 2 teams that don't make NCAA playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 08, 2015, 09:47:44 AM
Definitely a MAC-CC Bowl game...

The scenarios as they stand:

Assuming both Albright and Johns Hopkins are not upset next week and both get Pool As (both have easier games), and either team gets a Pool C bid (extremely unlikely at this point)...

MAC teams in contention:
DVU                6-2  holds tiebreaker over Stevenson
Stevenson       6-2  holds tiebreaker over Widener
Widener          6-2

If Del Val defeats Widener, then DVU will be the number 1 team and Stevenson will be the number 2 (assuming they win next week)
If WU beats DVU, Then Stevenson will be the number 1 team, and Widener would be the number 2

CC Teams in contention:
Moravian             7-1
Muhlenberg         6-2   holds tiebreaker over Gettysburg
F&M                    5-3  holds tiebreaker over Muhlenberg
Gettysburg          5-3

Moravian and Muhlenberg play each other this week:

If Muhlenberg beats Moravian, they are the number 1 seed, and Moravian is the number 2 seed.
If Moravian beats Muhlenberg, Moravian is number 1 seed, and (assuming all teams win) F&M is the number 2 seed(F&M holds tiebreaker over Muhlenberg).
There is no scenario that gets Gettysburg into a game based on tiebreakers...


So definitely something to play for this week...:)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 08, 2015, 10:02:50 AM
Quote from: bman on November 08, 2015, 09:47:44 AM
Definitely a MAC-CC Bowl game...

The scenarios as they stand:

Assuming both Albright and Johns Hopkins are not upset next week and both get Pool As (both have easier games), and either team gets a Pool C bid (extremely unlikely at this point)...

MAC teams in contention:
DVU                6-2  holds tiebreaker over Stevenson
Stevenson       6-2  holds tiebreaker over Widener
Widener          6-2

If Del Val defeats Widener, then DVU will be the number 1 team and Stevenson will be the number 2 (assuming they win next week)
If WU beats DVU, Then Stevenson will be the number 1 team, and Widener would be the number 2

CC Teams in contention:
Moravian             7-1
Muhlenberg         6-2   holds tiebreaker over Gettysburg
F&M                    5-3  holds tiebreaker over Muhlenberg
Gettysburg          5-3

Moravian and Muhlenberg play each other this week:

If Muhlenberg beats Moravian, they are the number 1 seed, and Moravian is the number 2 seed.
If Moravian beats Muhlenberg, Moravian is number 1 seed, and (assuming all teams win) F&M is the number 2 seed(F&M holds tiebreaker over Muhlenberg).
There is no scenario that gets Gettysburg into a game based on tiebreakers...


So definitely something to play for this week...:)

I like this set up.  More leagues should do it.  It adds a game and likely an uncommon opponent which is always fun.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2015, 10:08:21 AM
Johns Hopkins has already clinched. They can't be knocked out.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 08, 2015, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2015, 10:08:21 AM
Johns Hopkins has already clinched. They can't be knocked out.

Understood

Given they both had fairly easy games, I decided not to look or include in my scenario...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2015, 04:08:38 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 04:15:55 PM
Congrats to MAC Champ Albright as the Kiddie Corps from DelVal choked up a big one today. 21 point lead.

Freshman..........they can be lethal to rely on at times. One of those times just occurred  :(

Albright hasn't clinched anything... if they get beat by Lebanon Valley and Delaware Valley beat Widener... then it's a co-championship and DelVal gets the title due to their head-to-head win over Albright. Yes, Stevenson can also win and make it a three-way tie, but the Mustangs lost to both Albright and DelVAl and thus are already eliminated from the AQ.

As for at-large... I'm pretty sure in saying the MAC isn't getting a second team in the NCAA tournament. That means selecting a 2-loss team which we already know is a rarity, but it isn't like the MAC is a juggernaut of a conference nor that the teams have stellar SOS numbers (Albright: .467; DelVal: .489; Stevenson: .467 as of last week).

Teams next week are playing to either spoil the party (LVC vs. Albright and Widener vs. DelVal)... or place themselves in the Centennial-MAC Bowl Series. The interesting thing is I think the two feature games are up in the air next week. I think Albright is good, but not awesome and LVC has a legit chance of knocking them off. DelVal seems more smoke and mirrors and Widener as a very good opportunity to knock them off. DelVal could go from being in control of the conference not even playing in a post-season game in a matter of two weeks!

Note about Albright-Stevenson game... to be honest, it was a fun game to watch. Both teams threw everything at each other. Stevenson's defense was very good, but so was Albright's when it needed to be. The Lions gave up a ton of yards, but had timely plays when they needed them. Sure, one of those plays was a questionable half-back option back to the QB on fourth down at the two by Stevenson, but a terrific effort to grab the ball falling to the turf for the INT to nearly end the game was terrific.

Now, I will question what in the world Albright was doing at the end of the game. They took two delay of game penalties to back themselves up and get closer to the endzone so they could kill the clock and give up a safety. HOWEVER, the last delay of game didn't allow the game clock to move and I feel forced them out of bounds with seconds remaining. It probably would have been smarter to have five more yards for the defense to cover so the game could have ended on the safety. (I don't know off the top of my head if Albright would have had to still kick off to Stevenson with no time on the clock - I can't remember the rule per a game ending on a safety.) The ensuing kick and laterals-a-plenty could have gone badly for the Lions - a risk I don't know was worth taking if you didn't have the extra delay of game at the end.

Anyway... fun game to watch; great crowd on hand as I could tell... just too bad the Stevenson band wastes 100-plus seats.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 08, 2015, 05:00:41 PM
Dave

Please pass word to those responsible, on what a pleasure it is to watch a Stevenson Broadcast.  It's one of the best in D3.  Great picture quality, great camera work and good play by play/color.  And I love the instant replay...  I can certainly see the pride Stevenson takes in that broadcast....it really shows!   
I usually try to catch at least a few minutes(if not more) when you are home...

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 08, 2015, 06:56:51 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2015, 04:08:38 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 07, 2015, 04:15:55 PM
Congrats to MAC Champ Albright as the Kiddie Corps from DelVal choked up a big one today. 21 point lead.

Freshman..........they can be lethal to rely on at times. One of those times just occurred  :(

Albright hasn't clinched anything... if they get beat by Lebanon Valley and Delaware Valley beat Widener... then it's a co-championship and DelVal gets the title due to their head-to-head win over Albright. Yes, Stevenson can also win and make it a three-way tie, but the Mustangs lost to both Albright and DelVAl and thus are already eliminated from the AQ.

As for at-large... I'm pretty sure in saying the MAC isn't getting a second team in the NCAA tournament. That means selecting a 2-loss team which we already know is a rarity, but it isn't like the MAC is a juggernaut of a conference nor that the teams have stellar SOS numbers (Albright: .467; DelVal: .489; Stevenson: .467 as of last week).

Teams next week are playing to either spoil the party (LVC vs. Albright and Widener vs. DelVal)... or place themselves in the Centennial-MAC Bowl Series. The interesting thing is I think the two feature games are up in the air next week. I think Albright is good, but not awesome and LVC has a legit chance of knocking them off. DelVal seems more smoke and mirrors and Widener as a very good opportunity to knock them off. DelVal could go from being in control of the conference not even playing in a post-season game in a matter of two weeks!

Note about Albright-Stevenson game... to be honest, it was a fun game to watch. Both teams threw everything at each other. Stevenson's defense was very good, but so was Albright's when it needed to be. The Lions gave up a ton of yards, but had timely plays when they needed them. Sure, one of those plays was a questionable half-back option back to the QB on fourth down at the two by Stevenson, but a terrific effort to grab the ball falling to the turf for the INT to nearly end the game was terrific.

Now, I will question what in the world Albright was doing at the end of the game. They took two delay of game penalties to back themselves up and get closer to the endzone so they could kill the clock and give up a safety. HOWEVER, the last delay of game didn't allow the game clock to move and I feel forced them out of bounds with seconds remaining. It probably would have been smarter to have five more yards for the defense to cover so the game could have ended on the safety. (I don't know off the top of my head if Albright would have had to still kick off to Stevenson with no time on the clock - I can't remember the rule per a game ending on a safety.) The ensuing kick and laterals-a-plenty could have gone badly for the Lions - a risk I don't know was worth taking if you didn't have the extra delay of game at the end.

Anyway... fun game to watch; great crowd on hand as I could tell... just too bad the Stevenson band wastes 100-plus seats.

Let's not say the band wastes seats ( my kiddo is a member of the colorguard ;) )...usually the games at Stevenson haven't been sold out except Homecoming/Family Weekend. It wasn't even close to sell out yesterday and the band had to leave after half for a few exhibition performances in PA for the weekend.
We left after the pick-off right at the end of the game...missed that last bit. That half back option was the play of the game unfortunately in my opinion. Stevenson had the momentum and was seemingly driving pretty easily til then. They were and got lucky to go in ahead at half and just didn't make adjustments. Albright's play action is good and their little RB #2 is only a sophomore if I read right and will be a force to deal with over next few years.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 08, 2015, 07:06:13 PM
Stevenson should win their game against FDU. The team doesn't deserve to play in any post-season stuff, if they can't win that game in my opinion. I'm just looking and hoping for the scenario (s) for them to have the home bowl game so my folks can watch the band and such live on field this year. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2015, 07:30:23 PM
wone3 - my only point is that once a year they leave a game at halftime for an exhibition... it seems things outside of the game take priority. Furthermore, I can't figure out why they don't play more often during games - but then again, my sister played for four years at Southern California... so I admit, I have gotten spoiled by big-time college bands (while also playing for a pretty good one in high school - though, no football). As big as they are... it also would be nice to find another seating situation.

By the way, in all seriousness, the color guard is far better this year than it has been in the past. So kudos there.

Quote from: bman on November 08, 2015, 05:00:41 PM
Dave

Please pass word to those responsible, on what a pleasure it is to watch a Stevenson Broadcast.  It's one of the best in D3.  Great picture quality, great camera work and good play by play/color.  And I love the instant replay...  I can certainly see the pride Stevenson takes in that broadcast....it really shows!   
I usually try to catch at least a few minutes(if not more) when you are home...

I will pass it along. I have been in charge the last three-plus years in some capacity or another. I am still there as a contracted person, but am switching towards more special projects there as my right-hand guy has been hired as the full time video production guy (I couldn't be more thrilled for him). I was there on Saturday and have only missed one home game in the last four years at Stevenson.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 09, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2015, 07:30:23 PM
wone3 - my only point is that once a year they leave a game at halftime for an exhibition... it seems things outside of the game take priority. Furthermore, I can't figure out why they don't play more often during games - but then again, my sister played for four years at Southern California... so I admit, I have gotten spoiled by big-time college bands (while also playing for a pretty good one in high school - though, no football). As big as they are... it also would be nice to find another seating situation.

By the way, in all seriousness, the color guard is far better this year than it has been in the past. So kudos there.


Thanks...my gal was one of the 5 in rifle line during 1/2 time..it is tougher to tell them apart during the pregame ;)

This year's exhibition was US bands (high school circuit) national A championships in Allentown and was an overnight trip. I'm guessing that they have done one each year but this might have been a first having a home game the same weekend. This was the only game they left after halftime this year, they stay thru the game normally. Always helps to promote the school and the band in it's also short 5 year existence.

I think it is in the lines of "sportsmanship" not to keep playing while the guys are at the line to start the play but they do play cheers and stuff in the stands and play every home game and open house the school has. I do agree that the stadium seating will need to be redone as the team keeps gaining on success and the need for regular seats grow. As you know and has been stated, they haven't sold out games outside of Homecoming in the entire time of existence. I think they are going to have to take the now practice field for seating and clear out another area further back for a new practice field as the eventual solution but I don't think they know how quickly they'll need to do it or will do it until they start having sell outs throughout a season (outside of Homecoming).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2015, 12:11:47 PM
They already have plans for the far side of the field... which will include new sand volleyball courts and I believe the plan is to put in stands on the opposite side to make it more of a closed stadium... but I only hear the plans... don't know them or the timeline. Those fields are not used at all for practices at this point in time besides the band. There have been some rare occasions they have been used by other sports, but there is also a grander plan for more athletics facilities which would be part of everything - but those are more long term plans (or at least continue to be long term plans at this point).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 09, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 09, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2015, 07:30:23 PM

I think it is in the lines of "sportsmanship" not to keep playing while the guys are at the line to start the play but they do play cheers and stuff in the stands and play every home game and open house the school has.

It's actually more than just sportsmanship - it's against the rules for the band to play as the ball is snapped...that rule went into place some time ago!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
Yeah in reference... the USC band plays after every single down and is done at the appropriate time. They also play after every scoring play, etc.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 09, 2015, 03:01:53 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
Yeah in reference... the USC band plays after every single down and is done at the appropriate time. They also play after every scoring play, etc.

You can say that again. They even do it on the road. I've been to two ND-USC games at South Bend, and it never stopped. Luckily, ND won both times so it wasn't too terrible ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2015, 04:07:48 PM
I got to a USC-ND game as well back in the late 90's... unreal experience. They don't ever stop to some extent... though, they do coordinate with the other band as to who plays and when and they all know the rules of when they can't play. USC has specific music per down, whether there is a flag, who has the ball, etc.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 09, 2015, 07:55:10 PM
RE: Bands playing during a play, Bill knows what he's talking about. Several years back, Pep took the band to Alfred's game at FDU. When the band was in its infancy back in 2000, while setting up before a game against Hobart, officials came to Pep and informed him that the Hobart coach asked them to make it clear to our band that were we playing when the Hobart QB was calling signals, we would be penalized five yards for delay of game. Pep told the band, "We don't want to have to get up and move everyone five yards," so we obeyed the dictate.

Pep lectures the band at each year's Band Camp on the importance of the band "keeping it classy" and not playing songs that are disparaging of the opponent or refs, and certainly NOT playing anything when there's an injury on the field, and certainly when the other team is barking signals.

On Pep's trips to our former Maryland members of the E8, both Salisbury State and Frostburg State's bands purposely played when the Saxons had the ball and our QB was calling signals. This was brought to the attention of the game officials and they refused to do anything about it. Apparently told the AU coach that there were no rules against it that they knew of.

Pep knows for a fact that it is clearly stated in the NCAA Tournament handbook. In regular season games, officials can simply exercise their authority, warn the band that their playing during a play is prohibited and that it results in a delay in the game.

Pep is all about making noise at football games. That's why he has for the past 15 years surrounded himself with students armed with instruments. But the AU pep band plays to support the Saxons, not to distract the opponent. Sportsmanship. It just makes sense.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 09, 2015, 08:53:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2015, 12:11:47 PM
They already have plans for the far side of the field... which will include new sand volleyball courts and I believe the plan is to put in stands on the opposite side to make it more of a closed stadium... but I only hear the plans... don't know them or the timeline. Those fields are not used at all for practices at this point in time besides the band. There have been some rare occasions they have been used by other sports, but there is also a grander plan for more athletics facilities which would be part of everything - but those are more long term plans (or at least continue to be long term plans at this point).

Dave, are you referring to their plans for the Rosewood property? I know that when they purchase Rosewood, there are major plans. I heard there will be an ice skating rink built for the hockey team, swimming pool for the swim team, baseball stadium, softball stadium, practice fields for the athletic teams, more dorms, student rec center, new school of education, and much more!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 09, 2015, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: bill on November 09, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 09, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 08, 2015, 07:30:23 PM

I think it is in the lines of "sportsmanship" not to keep playing while the guys are at the line to start the play but they do play cheers and stuff in the stands and play every home game and open house the school has.

It's actually more than just sportsmanship - it's against the rules for the band to play as the ball is snapped...that rule went into place some time ago!

I knew that just didn't have wording idea then for what I wanted to say ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2015, 10:16:31 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 09, 2015, 08:53:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2015, 12:11:47 PM
They already have plans for the far side of the field... which will include new sand volleyball courts and I believe the plan is to put in stands on the opposite side to make it more of a closed stadium... but I only hear the plans... don't know them or the timeline. Those fields are not used at all for practices at this point in time besides the band. There have been some rare occasions they have been used by other sports, but there is also a grander plan for more athletics facilities which would be part of everything - but those are more long term plans (or at least continue to be long term plans at this point).

Dave, are you referring to their plans for the Rosewood property? I know that when they purchase Rosewood, there are major plans. I heard there will be an ice skating rink built for the hockey team, swimming pool for the swim team, baseball stadium, softball stadium, practice fields for the athletic teams, more dorms, student rec center, new school of education, and much more!

yes... the Rosewood property... a process that seems slower than quicksand. They won't have to build a swimming facility as there is already one on the campus (but it needs work)... but new fields for sports that don't have them on campus along with new dorms, new educational buildings, etc. But again... I was told a good long while ago the deal for Stevenson to take over the property was done... and yet nothing has happened which makes me think once again that news was premature or an assumption despite the source.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 10, 2015, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2015, 10:16:31 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 09, 2015, 08:53:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2015, 12:11:47 PM
They already have plans for the far side of the field... which will include new sand volleyball courts and I believe the plan is to put in stands on the opposite side to make it more of a closed stadium... but I only hear the plans... don't know them or the timeline. Those fields are not used at all for practices at this point in time besides the band. There have been some rare occasions they have been used by other sports, but there is also a grander plan for more athletics facilities which would be part of everything - but those are more long term plans (or at least continue to be long term plans at this point).

Dave, are you referring to their plans for the Rosewood property? I know that when they purchase Rosewood, there are major plans. I heard there will be an ice skating rink built for the hockey team, swimming pool for the swim team, baseball stadium, softball stadium, practice fields for the athletic teams, more dorms, student rec center, new school of education, and much more!

yes... the Rosewood property... a process that seems slower than quicksand. They won't have to build a swimming facility as there is already one on the campus (but it needs work)... but new fields for sports that don't have them on campus along with new dorms, new educational buildings, etc. But again... I was told a good long while ago the deal for Stevenson to take over the property was done... and yet nothing has happened which makes me think once again that news was premature or an assumption despite the source.

I've been hearing the same thing the past few years. The latest I've heard is the deal is near done. If I had to guess, I'd say it will be announced a done deal within the end of the academic year. I know the issue the entire time has been between Stevenson and the State regarding the responsibility to pay for the clean up of chemicals from the old property. The state years ago said the property should be sold to Stevenson.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2015, 05:44:40 PM
Pretty much the situation, but the county is involved as well for obvious reasons. The cleanup is a major, major part of it and one that Stevenson really shouldn't have to take on unless they get a massive break on the property. The problem I have with it is simply it is taking too long. I have heard about this development for at least five years - people are dragging their heels and thus I am not convinced it will happen until it actually starts happening (the last I heard was the deal was done - but that was a year ago).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 11, 2015, 12:49:23 AM
Re: Band during plays.

This actually came up as I was watching some MACtion (oddly enough, the FBS MAC). The Ref had to tell the band to stop playing for the snap! The commentators were confused and thought the ref was crazy but I knew better because of this discussion!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 11, 2015, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2015, 05:44:40 PM
Pretty much the situation, but the county is involved as well for obvious reasons. The cleanup is a major, major part of it and one that Stevenson really shouldn't have to take on unless they get a massive break on the property. The problem I have with it is simply it is taking too long. I have heard about this development for at least five years - people are dragging their heels and thus I am not convinced it will happen until it actually starts happening (the last I heard was the deal was done - but that was a year ago).

The town that I live in is a fairly small (very rural) community, but central enough or other larger populations,  that the town and WalMart thought it wise to build at the edge of town.  Once committed, it was thought to be 1 year to the open date.  7 years later, they finally started building...  The reason for the delay?  They found a "Bog Turtle" (endangered) on the property.   The environmentalists sued, and it took 7 years of investigation, committee meetings, and lawsuits to determine that the Bog Turtle was planted, and that the site would not support that species of turtle...

Never underestimate the power of Government and special interest to slow down progress... :P
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 11, 2015, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: bman on November 11, 2015, 09:49:56 AM
Never underestimate the power of Government and special interest to slow down progress... :P

Assuming that having a Walmart in one's town is in fact "progress."   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 11, 2015, 05:56:02 PM
Second week of NCAA regional rankings: Albright (2) and Delaware Valley (10). Unlikely the MAC gets two bids into the playoffs. If only the NCAA released the final rankings to get an idea how teams finished the regular season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2015, 06:02:27 PM
The MAC isn't going to get a second team. The conference needed to DVC basically to win out along with Albright to have a chance. Otherwise... nah. Too many losses and not terrific out of conference games by others.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 12, 2015, 10:09:01 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 11, 2015, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: bman on November 11, 2015, 09:49:56 AM
Never underestimate the power of Government and special interest to slow down progress... :P

Assuming that having a Walmart in one's town is in fact "progress."   ;)

How are the other small business owners doing in your town? If  I owned a grocery store in this town, I'd be finding turtles, owls, salamanders, grasshoppers.......  :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 12, 2015, 03:34:46 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on November 12, 2015, 10:09:01 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 11, 2015, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: bman on November 11, 2015, 09:49:56 AM
Never underestimate the power of Government and special interest to slow down progress... :P

Assuming that having a Walmart in one's town is in fact "progress."   ;)

How are the other small business owners doing in your town? If  I owned a grocery store in this town, I'd be finding turtles, owls, salamanders, grasshoppers.......  :)

It's a town that doesn't really know what it wants to be.  It openly encourages small business, but to the small business owners in town that I talked to, they make it miserable to do business in the town...
The established small businesses that have been here for a long time stay, and the new ones seem to come and go...especially restaurants, which never seem to make it...
There are 2 Grocery stores (one on each end of town)...One a large regional and one a national chain.  The seem to be holding their own...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2015, 02:34:21 PM
Predictions for Saturday, November 14:

Albrighttoldyouitwastheiryear - 31      LebVal - 16
King's - 24      Wilkes - 13
Stevenson - 31      FDU - 20
LycoSimba - 48      Misery - 20
Widenerwillthrowit80timesfor500yardsand5TD's - 37     DelValcan'tstopthepassandtooyoungonoffense - 20

Eagles - 24      Dolphins - 16 (Cowboys game started a four game run........until the Pats smack 'em)   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 13, 2015, 06:16:10 PM
Predictions for the week:

I'm guessing point spread instead of actual score.

Albright (-10) vs. LebVal:
I think Albright gets a close game from LebVal, but with conference AQ on the line, they find a way to prevail. LebVal looks strong heading into next season.

Kings (-24) vs. Wilkes:
After so many close games this season, Kings finds themselves ending the season strong with an overall good team performance. Wilkes played a good season, highlighted by their victory over DelVal. Wilkes proved they have potential to compete with some of the best, but still need to find a few more pieces before they find themselves in the top half of the MAC.

Stevenson (-21) vs. FDU:
Last weeks lost really stings, maybe even causes the Mustangs to start slow. The score will be close the first half; however, the second half will be when Mustangs show why they came close to winning their first conference championship. FDU has improved drastically from last season, but like many teams in the bottom of the MAC, they need a few more pieces.

Lyco (-27) vs. Misc:
Lycoming is a young team that is building for the future. Highlight of the season was last weeks victory over DelVal. They end the season with a competitive game against an improving Misc team. It's taken Misc longer than some other upstart programs, but they have shown improvement. In the end this game will be too much for Misc, although I expect a close game at halftime before Lycoming pulls away.

Widener (-3) vs. DelVal:
Ending the season not in the NCAA playoffs has to disappoint Widener after their previous season. Building strong for next season, Widener has motivation to prove they aren't going away in the near future. DelVal has a great future with their core of freshmen, but again they're freshmen. Mistakes will be made, and it will be close. In the end Widener finds a way to win late in the 4Q.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 13, 2015, 10:53:56 PM
Albright vs Leb Valley - Albright wants the AQ and should get it. They win by  7-10

Stevenson vs FDU - Stevenson should want to play on the 21st and FDU doesn't have enough to hang along. Hopefully the Offense continues to improve into next season and the defense doesn't fall off after graduation. Stevenson wins by 21

Lyco vs Misercordia - Lyco will win this by 14-17 range. It is a growing year for both to gain experience for the next year

Wilkes vs Kings - Think Wilkes has a bit more than Kings. Wilkes by 14-17

Widener vs Del Valley - I think the difference here is the youth of Del Valley and Widener's D. Widener by 7-10.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 14, 2015, 09:49:32 AM
Love seeing the picks and the discussion....

Albright 45 - Lebanon Valley 28    Albright takes it home, after being angered by not chosen as the 1 seed in the regional rankings.
Stevenson 35 - FDU 21                FDU makes a run, but then get's distracted by the start of Women's basketball
Misericordia 28 - Lyco 27             In a fit of rage, Simba drinks an extra Yuengling
Kings 35 - Wilkes 20                    Wilkes ran out of upsets
Del Val 28 - Widener 21              Del Val decides to get on the other end of an upset

...disclaimer

I don't really believe a couple of these  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 14, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
I hope so bman.....

Especially your last pick, I'd like a chance for one more home game for my kiddo to perform this year and a shot for her grandparents to see it. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 14, 2015, 03:30:57 PM
What in the heck went on today with Widener?? Looks like the boys called their season a week early it seems, based on game play; and decided not to show even though they would have had a shot to play in the bowl, one more week ( guess they are above that it seems). Congrats on a great defensive game by Del Valley.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2015, 04:12:06 PM
Albright 62 Wilkes 9
Wilkes 12 Delaware Valley 7
Delaware Valley 28 Albright 23

Widener 48 Lycoming 7
Lycoming 43 Delaware Valley 42
Delaware Valley 20 Widener 3

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Congrats to Albright for leaving no doubt in its game against Lebanon Valley. From my perspective, the Lions were the best team in the conference in an entertaining race.

And congrats to a young Del Val team and an inspired performance from the seniors on defense, especially Lighty and Wynne.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2015, 09:50:33 AM
Quote from: bman on November 14, 2015, 09:49:32 AM
Love seeing the picks and the discussion....

Albright 45 - Lebanon Valley 28    Albright takes it home, after being angered by not chosen as the 1 seed in the regional rankings.
Stevenson 35 - FDU 21                FDU makes a run, but then get's distracted by the start of Women's basketball
Misericordia 28 - Lyco 27             In a fit of rage, Simba drinks an extra Yuengling
Kings 35 - Wilkes 20                    Wilkes ran out of upsets
Del Val 28 - Widener 21              Del Val decides to get on the other end of an upset

...disclaimer

I don't really believe a couple of these  ;)

I see what you did there  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2015, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2015, 02:34:21 PM
Predictions for Saturday, November 14:

Albrighttoldyouitwastheiryear - 31      LebVal - 16
King's - 24      Wilkes - 13
Stevenson - 31      FDU - 20
LycoSimba - 48      Misery - 20
Widenerwillthrowit80timesfor500yardsand5TD's - 37     DelValcan'tstopthepassandtooyoungonoffense - 20

Eagles - 24      Dolphins - 16 (Cowboys game started a four game run........until the Pats smack 'em)   ;)

A few end of season observations about the MAC & the Aggies:

1. Based on replacing the Father, Son and Holy Spirit..........this coming from a Jewish guy  ;) (Wilmer, Bailey, Smallwood) and 8 other offensive starters (after the early season Josh Wallace injury), 6 defensive starters and the four year starter stud kicker/punter, I honestly thought that the Aggies would finish in the 5-5 area. After the loss to Wilkes in the second game of the year, I actually had this team winning 3 or 4 games. It is a testament (and somewhat of a miracle) to the coaches and players that they were able to turn it around and finish 8-2. That being said...........

2. Had you told me at the beginning of the season that the Aggies would somehow beat Albright, Stevenson AND Widener..........I would have said that they would finish 10-0 or 9-1

3. The Wilkes game is still mind boggling in so many respects

4. The Lyco game is still even more mind boggling. If QB Darden does not run backwards and take himself out of a first down.......game over. If all 11 players on the kickoff return team don't freeze in place, all at once, during Lyco's onsides kick last week......game over.

5. Albright needs to send the small fruit basket to Wilkes.......but the HUGE fruit AND chocolate basket to Lyco as they were the differences between Albright's finding out their seed in the NCAA Playoffs or finding out if they were hosting Moravian or traveling to Muhlenberg, a little later today

6. Outside of the Wilkes and Lyco losses, I've never been as stunned at a final result as I was at yesterday's DelVal vs. Widener game. I thought the Aggies would come out listless with the knowledge that last week's debacle cost them the MAC and a playoff birth. With no passing game all year, even when there wasn't any wind, Widener knew that DelVal was going to run all day, or at least try to do so. Widener's veteran defense is big, fast and was stout against the run all year. DelVal followed suit and attempted only 7 passes. Widener followed suit and put 9 in the box, with an occasional cheating safety to make it a quasi-10. With all of that, the Aggies ran for 208 yards. Again.......mind boggling. On the flip side, I'm not sure that I've ever seen a Widener offense as inept. I swear it was like watching Misericordia. Widener gave up 6 sacks, 4 interceptions and had 3 fumbles. The Aggies gave up 0 sacks (again, only attempted 7 passes), with 0 interceptions and had 0 fumbles. This is the beauty of sports......and football. You never know. Beat Albright, Stevenson and Widener........lose to Wilkes and Lyco. That's why the gambler loses and Vegas always eventually wins  ;)

7. Since the G.A. Mangus inspired turnaround of the Aggies program in 2003............the Aggies are now 9-4 against Widener (I read that this morning and need to confirm.........had no idea it's been flipped on it's head to that extent)  ;D

8. Understanding that financial/academic/family matters can change who and what returns each year, if DelVal returns all 11 offensive starters (freshman QB, junior and a ton of freshmen WR's, sophomore and junior RB's, sophomore and freshmen linemen), takes this off season to develop a solid passing attack and has another good recruiting year.........this offense could be right up there with Albright's, or close to it. On the defensive side, they have to find a safety to pair with Miller (a stud) and a few linebackers (Nick Wright is only a sophomore and Frank Law should be back after missing this season due to injury)......they could be middle-of-the-MAC solid. You now need to be able to play pass defense in the MAC, more than ever (except against the Aggies this year) and they need to get a more consistent pass rush to take the pressure off the defensive backfield. There is certainly a lot of work to be done, but the building blocks are in place for the next year or two.

9. It's now time to see if our Eagles can finish 10-6 or 9-7 and take this division. Thank God it's yet another year of Cowboys irrelevance  :)  :)  :)  :)

10. Oh yea.......it is time to see the Aggies wrestling team kick some arse. Replacing three All-American's and four Regional Champions is one helluva task........but it should be interesting for those who enjoy the sport

11. Last one (promise)........it was sooooooooooo beautiful to watch that loudmouth, cocky, arrogant Ronda Rousey get her you-know-what handed to her. Just saying. Karma is a biatch!!  :D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 15, 2015, 12:09:50 PM
JM...

Stevenson was/is in the same boat as your team was with the exception of the defense that had a bunch of solid senior leadership.

The offense never really 100% blossomed against the better teams in the league ( I say that after yesterday's record setting performances for the program...previous records were against the same school in different years). Stevenson's returning sophomore QB's disappeared off of the team as a new offense was being installed; not sure of the reasons whether academic, rules or just disagreement about the new offense. The new QB was only a freshman tossed into his first start at Homecoming against a Widener team that preseason everyone was saying would walk away with the title. Not only that, Stevenson had never beaten Widener or Lyco in the previous 4 years. I called the Lyco victory for Stevenson because of the young secondary that was any decent throwing team would be able to beat usually.

The Del Valley game against Stevenson came down to a great defensive play early on, with the strip as Stevenson player was close to the goal line. Had they scored and that game probably had had a different feel. That also being said Stevenson had some great ball bounces etc against Leb Valley and "stole" away the win; so it all evened out there.

Oh yeah, Albright also has to send a HUGE basket to whomever in the Stevenson coaching staff called the halfback option play on the Albright goal line early in the first quarter that got run back. Stevenson was running the ball down their throat and had huge momentum that disappeared after that and Stevenson never got it back. That was also the difference as was later found out ( this game finished before the Lyco Del Valley game was) for Albright to move forward and be in great position this week.

This year was great for Stevenson ( another program record for regular season wins etc) and even the losses were tight. Hopefully the next man up mentality comes up in the defense and there is little to no drop off and the offense stabilizes and grows further with this QB staying on full year next year.  The future looks nothing but promising for Stevenson going forward. I think they have become another Lyco like team in that they'll play you tough and are definitely no longer a walk over.

Now onward to the bowl game and represent the league, gaining respect back in the nation's eyes and kick the centennial team's behind.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 15, 2015, 04:52:35 PM
MAC used to be a decent ranked conference ( top 10) and now maybe 15, course I wasn't looking how ugly the centennial is but it would be nice to get some respect back.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 15, 2015, 05:11:11 PM
D3football.com has MAC at 14, one behind Centennial, at the end of this season: http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2015/re-ranking-the-conferences-for-2015 (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2015/re-ranking-the-conferences-for-2015)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2015, 08:55:24 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 15, 2015, 04:10:57 PM
wone3:

"[G]aining respect back in the nation's eyes"? Do you actually think the "nation" gives a damn about Stevenson or any other MAC team?   ::) ???

The joy of communicating about D-III football........and the agony of having to read Warren's "warm and positive" comments.  ::)

Let's be frank Warren...........the overwhelming majority of the "nation" knows nothing about nor cares anything about D-III football so in that way, the MAC is no different than any other D-III conference and it's teams are no different than any other team, including Mount Union and UWWW. I still fight with friends every year to explain that it's not glorified high school football.

Those are just the facts. This board will dry up shortly.................SEC and Power Five Conference football chatter is 365/24/7.

Those, my friend, are the facts. We are the very, very small, interested minority who genuinely love D-III football. Ask 100 random "sports fans" on the street to name the probable final four in D-III football........you'd be lucky to get one who could name four potential teams. Ask them about the four playoff teams in D-1........my guess would be a response rate in the high 90's.

It's not a MAC thing wone3..........it's a D-III (and D-II, and also to an extent a D-IAA) thing.

As you were........ ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 16, 2015, 07:53:23 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2015, 08:55:24 PM




Those are just the facts. This board will dry up shortly

This board may dry up...but then head over to the basketball boards, where we discuss obscure D3 matchups and see what's happening for another 4 months! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 16, 2015, 07:53:52 AM
Thank you, JM, for your response to Warren.  As individual d3 supporters we should all promote our Teams and our League as long as we are physically and mentally able!  My admiration for Delaware Valley University and the entire MAC organization has only grown in the 20 years that we have been following both.  As far as the rest of sport's nation, if they're not aware of us and our rivalries and all we do to promote Athletics in general - IT'S THEIR LOSS!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 16, 2015, 11:58:50 AM
Thank you for making that more clear Professor.  You've redeemed yourself nicely.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 16, 2015, 12:03:41 PM
Quote from: kate on November 16, 2015, 11:58:50 AM
Thank you for making that more clear Professor.  You've redeemed yourself nicely.

For the record, I've been retired since 1997. So I'm merely a card-carrying geezer ... and not a professor.  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 16, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
Congratulations to all teams for a great season in the MAC. Furthermore, congratulations to Albright, Delaware Valley, and Stevenson for post-season opportunities. Let's hope they can carry the MAC flag proudly through the post season. Delaware Valley and Stevenson have opportunities to prove the strength of the MAC against the Centennial conference. Albright has the opportunity to play some good opponents, especially Linfield in the second round if they win this weekend.

Looking forward to next season, let's discuss how each team is looking. I know certain situations can occur such as unforeseen departures, transfers, and other circumstances; however, let's get a general idea of who is return and what teams are loosing players to graduation.

Regarding Stevenson, it looks like that graduation will take a hit on the defense. The defensive line looks to remain, while the secondary looks like it will only lose one. The biggest change will be the linebacking core. Offensively, most of the offense returns, only change will be a few linemen. Special teams looks to remain the same. Overall, team looks poised to make another run for the MAC next year. Again, this is solely an observation based off the current roster. Nobody will know until next season how transfers, departures, and other circumstances change the roster.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 16, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 16, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
Congratulations to all teams for a great season in the MAC. Furthermore, congratulations to Albright, Delaware Valley, and Stevenson for post-season opportunities. Let's hope they can carry the MAC flag proudly through the post season. Delaware Valley and Stevenson have opportunities to prove the strength of the MAC against the Centennial conference. Albright has the opportunity to play some good opponents, especially Linfield in the second round if they win this weekend.
Looking forward to next season, let's discuss how each team is looking. I know certain situations can occur such as unforeseen departures, transfers, and other circumstances; however, let's get a general idea of who is return and what teams are loosing players to graduation.

Regarding Stevenson, it looks like that graduation will take a hit on the defense. The defensive line looks to remain, while the secondary looks like it will only lose one. The biggest change will be the linebacking core. Offensively, most of the offense returns, only change will be a few linemen. Special teams looks to remain the same. Overall, team looks poised to make another run for the MAC next year. Again, this is solely an observation based off the current roster. Nobody will know until next season how transfers, departures, and other circumstances change the roster.

Albright got the short end of the teams with a very easy opponent and then the Machine from Alliance (Mount Union), you are thinking of Cortland State (who is also red) or Salisbury that will travel to the far west to play Linfield or Whitworth.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 16, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 16, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 16, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
Congratulations to all teams for a great season in the MAC. Furthermore, congratulations to Albright, Delaware Valley, and Stevenson for post-season opportunities. Let's hope they can carry the MAC flag proudly through the post season. Delaware Valley and Stevenson have opportunities to prove the strength of the MAC against the Centennial conference. Albright has the opportunity to play some good opponents, especially Linfield in the second round if they win this weekend.
Looking forward to next season, let's discuss how each team is looking. I know certain situations can occur such as unforeseen departures, transfers, and other circumstances; however, let's get a general idea of who is return and what teams are loosing players to graduation.

Regarding Stevenson, it looks like that graduation will take a hit on the defense. The defensive line looks to remain, while the secondary looks like it will only lose one. The biggest change will be the linebacking core. Offensively, most of the offense returns, only change will be a few linemen. Special teams looks to remain the same. Overall, team looks poised to make another run for the MAC next year. Again, this is solely an observation based off the current roster. Nobody will know until next season how transfers, departures, and other circumstances change the roster.

Albright got the short end of the teams with a very easy opponent and then the Machine from Alliance (Mount Union), you are thinking of Cortland State (who is also red) or Salisbury that will travel to the far west to play Linfield or Whitworth.

Your correct. I was trying to remember the bracket after looking at it late last night. It is Salisbury who could play Linfield. Albright would get to play Mount Union if they win. Still, great opportunity to take down one of the D3 powers.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 16, 2015, 06:58:16 PM
I am not ready to let the board dry up, and I like tweisman5.   I can certainly look into WU's outlook for next year, as well as doing some analysis on what occurred this year...

...been busy the last few days, and boy do I have a lot to say...(I'll get to it in the next few days...)

Warren
You will always be "the professor"  :)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 19, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
Just read an article discussing Dickinson signing an endorsement deal with Under Armour. Interesting that apparel deals are working there way down to D3 colleges and high schools. What schools could possible be next in D3?

I know Stevenson was offered a few years ago from Under Armour, but because Under Armour was still growing, they couldn't provide all apparel for sports like Hockey or Volleyball. Maybe now they can, so I would guess Stevenson could be next. I believe the deal is still on the table.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Desertraider on November 19, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 16, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 16, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 16, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
Congratulations to all teams for a great season in the MAC. Furthermore, congratulations to Albright, Delaware Valley, and Stevenson for post-season opportunities. Let's hope they can carry the MAC flag proudly through the post season. Delaware Valley and Stevenson have opportunities to prove the strength of the MAC against the Centennial conference. Albright has the opportunity to play some good opponents, especially Linfield in the second round if they win this weekend.
Looking forward to next season, let's discuss how each team is looking. I know certain situations can occur such as unforeseen departures, transfers, and other circumstances; however, let's get a general idea of who is return and what teams are loosing players to graduation.

Regarding Stevenson, it looks like that graduation will take a hit on the defense. The defensive line looks to remain, while the secondary looks like it will only lose one. The biggest change will be the linebacking core. Offensively, most of the offense returns, only change will be a few linemen. Special teams looks to remain the same. Overall, team looks poised to make another run for the MAC next year. Again, this is solely an observation based off the current roster. Nobody will know until next season how transfers, departures, and other circumstances change the roster.

Albright got the short end of the teams with a very easy opponent and then the Machine from Alliance (Mount Union), you are thinking of Cortland State (who is also red) or Salisbury that will travel to the far west to play Linfield or Whitworth.

Your correct. I was trying to remember the bracket after looking at it late last night. It is Salisbury who could play Linfield. Albright would get to play Mount Union if they win. Still, great opportunity to take down one of the D3 powers.

Win the first round match up first. Then they can get the 'opportunity'. Not sure I would count out Norwich though.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 19, 2015, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: desertraider on November 19, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 16, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 16, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 16, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
Congratulations to all teams for a great season in the MAC. Furthermore, congratulations to Albright, Delaware Valley, and Stevenson for post-season opportunities. Let's hope they can carry the MAC flag proudly through the post season. Delaware Valley and Stevenson have opportunities to prove the strength of the MAC against the Centennial conference. Albright has the opportunity to play some good opponents, especially Linfield in the second round if they win this weekend.
Looking forward to next season, let's discuss how each team is looking. I know certain situations can occur such as unforeseen departures, transfers, and other circumstances; however, let's get a general idea of who is return and what teams are loosing players to graduation.

Regarding Stevenson, it looks like that graduation will take a hit on the defense. The defensive line looks to remain, while the secondary looks like it will only lose one. The biggest change will be the linebacking core. Offensively, most of the offense returns, only change will be a few linemen. Special teams looks to remain the same. Overall, team looks poised to make another run for the MAC next year. Again, this is solely an observation based off the current roster. Nobody will know until next season how transfers, departures, and other circumstances change the roster.

Albright got the short end of the teams with a very easy opponent and then the Machine from Alliance (Mount Union), you are thinking of Cortland State (who is also red) or Salisbury that will travel to the far west to play Linfield or Whitworth.

Your correct. I was trying to remember the bracket after looking at it late last night. It is Salisbury who could play Linfield. Albright would get to play Mount Union if they win. Still, great opportunity to take down one of the D3 powers.

Win the first round match up first. Then they can get the 'opportunity'. Not sure I would count out Norwich though.

dlip would be ****ing shocked if Norwich defeats Albright...shocked

::)

Just as shocked as he would be if Albright didn't get double monkey stomped by Mighty Mount
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Desertraider on November 19, 2015, 03:02:43 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 19, 2015, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: desertraider on November 19, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 16, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 16, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 16, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
Congratulations to all teams for a great season in the MAC. Furthermore, congratulations to Albright, Delaware Valley, and Stevenson for post-season opportunities. Let's hope they can carry the MAC flag proudly through the post season. Delaware Valley and Stevenson have opportunities to prove the strength of the MAC against the Centennial conference. Albright has the opportunity to play some good opponents, especially Linfield in the second round if they win this weekend.
Looking forward to next season, let's discuss how each team is looking. I know certain situations can occur such as unforeseen departures, transfers, and other circumstances; however, let's get a general idea of who is return and what teams are loosing players to graduation.

Regarding Stevenson, it looks like that graduation will take a hit on the defense. The defensive line looks to remain, while the secondary looks like it will only lose one. The biggest change will be the linebacking core. Offensively, most of the offense returns, only change will be a few linemen. Special teams looks to remain the same. Overall, team looks poised to make another run for the MAC next year. Again, this is solely an observation based off the current roster. Nobody will know until next season how transfers, departures, and other circumstances change the roster.

Albright got the short end of the teams with a very easy opponent and then the Machine from Alliance (Mount Union), you are thinking of Cortland State (who is also red) or Salisbury that will travel to the far west to play Linfield or Whitworth.

Your correct. I was trying to remember the bracket after looking at it late last night. It is Salisbury who could play Linfield. Albright would get to play Mount Union if they win. Still, great opportunity to take down one of the D3 powers.

Win the first round match up first. Then they can get the 'opportunity'. Not sure I would count out Norwich though.

dlip would be ****ing shocked if Norwich defeats Albright...shocked

::)

Just as shocked as he would be if Albright didn't get double monkey stomped by Mighty Mount

I would be equally shocked but that is why they play the game. Ya never know. Michigan never thought App State had a chance.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 19, 2015, 03:03:47 PM
Truer words have not been spoken...+k and best of luck to Mount this post-season!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 19, 2015, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 19, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
Just read an article discussing Dickinson signing an endorsement deal with Under Armour. Interesting that apparel deals are working there way down to D3 colleges and high schools. What schools could possible be next in D3?

I know Stevenson was offered a few years ago from Under Armour, but because Under Armour was still growing, they couldn't provide all apparel for sports like Hockey or Volleyball. Maybe now they can, so I would guess Stevenson could be next. I believe the deal is still on the table.

Alfred University signed on with Nike Apparel some time this past summer, if Pep remembers correctly.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 19, 2015, 03:51:48 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 19, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
Just read an article discussing Dickinson signing an endorsement deal with Under Armour. Interesting that apparel deals are working there way down to D3 colleges and high schools. What schools could possible be next in D3?

I know Stevenson was offered a few years ago from Under Armour, but because Under Armour was still growing, they couldn't provide all apparel for sports like Hockey or Volleyball. Maybe now they can, so I would guess Stevenson could be next. I believe the deal is still on the table.

Tweis
I just read it too - http://thedickinsonian.com/sports/2015/11/19/giunta-signs-under-armour-deal/

However, this is not at all unusual at the D3 level...I'm actually surprised Dickinson did not have something like in this place already. If you read it closely, you'll see the teams all agree to use UA products - in exchange for a discount rate. It's not like at D1 schools like Michigan, where the school gets $$ AND all the gear ( http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2015/07/15/michigans-nike-deal-worth-million/30185761/ )

I would guess UA's deal will always be on the table with Stevenson or whoever else would like it!

FDU's long standing agreement was with adidas...but we swtiched over to Nike for most sports now.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2015, 07:34:01 PM
Yeah... a lot of schools actually have these in place, they may just not publicize them. It is becoming far more common... outside of coaches having deals, kind of, with specific companies.

Stevenson certainly is involved with UA with many of their teams... though, I am not sure if they are going school/program-wide, just yet.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 21, 2015, 02:40:26 PM
Conference goes 3-3 today! Nice way to represent guys!

Bowl games look like they were tight which is a good thing:  Stevenson...14-9 over Muhlenberg in bowl game 1. Del Valley winning 20-16 over Morvaian.

Also way to add one more win in NCAA post season Albright... that was total devistation to Norwich. 49-0.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on November 21, 2015, 08:04:18 PM
CONGRATULATIONS!!!


                                                              Albright

                                                              Delaware Valley

                                                              Stevenson

On The MAC ATTACK!!!


Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 22, 2015, 10:44:47 AM
Nice job yesterday.  Nice to see the MAC playing solid football.

Beyond a big test this weekend for Albright...
I'm actually a bit more curious about the other branch of the bracket this week with Wesley/Johns Hopkins.   That's going to be a great game....with a likely meatgrinder to follow with the (likely :(  )MU game to follow)...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: purpled on November 22, 2015, 06:10:55 PM
Welcome to A-Town Lions' fans! For those making the trip you will be sitting in the open stands facing west. The winds and cold can make it a bear to sit and watch a game.

Safe travels to all!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 22, 2015, 06:22:22 PM
Purpled:

There haven't been many Albright fans on this board in years.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 23, 2015, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 22, 2015, 06:22:22 PM
Purpled:

There haven't been many Albright fans on this board in years.

Gordon, I think you meant 'any'........not 'many' :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 23, 2015, 04:32:49 PM
I wish we could find at least one fan to post on this message board for every team. I know the fans exist. Someone needs to go on a scouting mission.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: purpled on November 24, 2015, 01:18:30 AM
No Albright fans? What? I don't think that's normal.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 24, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: purpled on November 24, 2015, 01:18:30 AM
No Albright fans? What? I don't think that's normal.  ;D
Well, if you meet any this week, send 'em over...we'll take them.   Now we are counting on you Purpled...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Desertraider on November 25, 2015, 10:05:23 AM
So...not a single Albright fan? Anyone want to "play" one for the rest of the week?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 25, 2015, 10:16:16 AM
I'm not an Albright fan, but I play one on Post Patterns ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 25, 2015, 11:42:28 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Safe Travels. :-*
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 25, 2015, 11:44:10 AM
QuoteSo...not a single Albright fan? Anyone want to "play" one for the rest of the week?

Given how we all think this game will go, probably not. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 25, 2015, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: desertraider on November 25, 2015, 10:05:23 AM
So...not a single Albright fan? Anyone want to "play" one for the rest of the week?

Sure

Mount Union by 40...
...What do you expect us to say?

Or is this just the gratuitous prompt so you can talk about how "great" Mount is this year...

If so, spare us please...

but happy thanksgiving anyway!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Desertraider on November 27, 2015, 08:13:58 AM
Quote from: bman on November 25, 2015, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: desertraider on November 25, 2015, 10:05:23 AM
So...not a single Albright fan? Anyone want to "play" one for the rest of the week?

Sure

Mount Union by 40...
...What do you expect us to say?

Or is this just the gratuitous prompt so you can talk about how "great" Mount is this year...

If so, spare us please...

but happy thanksgiving anyway!

Not at all. The great thing about playoffs is chatting with the other teams fans and learning a bit about the other team from their fans. I know on the OAC page its pretty much Mount guys talking with Mount guys, and a few ONU (where dem Polar Bears at?) and JCU guys. But....boy Mount is great this year 8-). Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 27, 2015, 01:51:49 PM
Quote from: desertraider on November 27, 2015, 08:13:58 AM
Quote from: bman on November 25, 2015, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: desertraider on November 25, 2015, 10:05:23 AM
So...not a single Albright fan? Anyone want to "play" one for the rest of the week?

Sure

Mount Union by 40...
...What do you expect us to say?

Or is this just the gratuitous prompt so you can talk about how "great" Mount is this year...

If so, spare us please...

but happy thanksgiving anyway!

Not at all. The great thing about playoffs is chatting with the other teams fans and learning a bit about the other team from their fans. I know on the OAC page its pretty much Mount guys talking with Mount guys, and a few ONU (where dem Polar Bears at?) and JCU guys. But....boy Mount is great this year 8-). Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
Got ya.
Albright is a team that always seems to be in the running in the MAC, but never seems to finish.  It's always been that 1 critical loss that takes them out of the league title and playoff contention.
They are usually a tough team to play, and are well coached.
This year, they are very balanced, and have a great kicker, which gives them and advantage in close games.
Albright is in Reading PA, which is in the PA coal/steel belt that like the rust belt, has had its core industry disappear.  Reading for the most part is a tough gritty town.  I have been on Albright's campus though, and it's nice. 
Albright has also had an eventful season.  During the season, one of its players was arrested for stabbing another teammate with a corkscrew(of all things)...but that did not seem to deter them much on the field...
As we allude, I doubt that this game is close...I think that Albright would stack up well with the ONU or John Carrol tier in the OAC, but my opinion is that they truly are a 35 point underdog here.  They haven't faced anywhere near the talent level posed by MU, and it will show.
My guess is that MU will get up big, and call off the dogs, then Albright will drop in some latex TDs against the 2s or 3s...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 29, 2015, 01:12:11 PM
I've always said, grinding out a conference championship with 10 schools similarly sized, similar insane (private school) prices, and of the same athletic mindset..........is by far the most important accomplishment of any team in most conferences. The playoff stuff is just icing on the cake.

If Temple (Albright) wins their conference, especially given their many obstacles, it is truly a remarkable accomplishment. Not being able to beat Alabama (UWWW) or Ohio State (Mount Union) does not diminish the season one iota  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on November 29, 2015, 01:32:20 PM
 gordonmann

Have you heard any whispers of a DelVal / Wesley match-up next year???
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on November 29, 2015, 01:50:22 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on November 29, 2015, 01:32:20 PM
gordonmann

Have you heard any whispers of a DelVal / Wesley match-up next year???
Dont think its happening but i would love to see NCC again. Great matchup and Naperville is a really cool town.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 29, 2015, 05:05:56 PM
PA_Wesleyfan:

Yes, I've heard the two teams are talking about opening against each other next year. Nothing final yet.

JMCozen:

Totally agree with you, and the Division I comparisons sound about right to me. Congrats to Albright on a great season and don't let yesterday dampen your spirits.

The only mild bummer is that the Lions didn't really get a chance to play a closer playoff game. It's not their fault that they got the weakest team in the playoffs in the first round and the strongest in the second round (both my opinion). That's the way it works sometimes.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2015, 01:39:15 PM
Well..........that's 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back. I won't make the mistake of replicating it when the second half starts  ;)

1. I never saw this monkey stomp in my wildest dreams. It looks like one of those early season D-1 games between Alabama and Southwestern Northeastern Missouri A & M
2. The Albright game doesn't look so bad now
3. Is it ever sunny in Alliance, Ohio ?
4. Does the dominance of Mount Youngstown keep the crowds at home? Where the heck is everybody?
5. Listening to the Mount announcers is like listening to the children at the kids table at Thanksgiving. My ears are bleeding  :'( The Aggies are so lucky to have Gordon Mann!!!!!!!!!!

I'll take dibs on the 2016 Stagg Champion before anybody else has a chance..........Mount Youngstown over WISCONSIN ww  :)

Basketball and wrestling season await........I'll see everybody when we come out of our slumber next mid-August!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on December 05, 2015, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 05, 2015, 01:39:15 PM
Well..........that's 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back. I won't make the mistake of replicating it when the second half starts  ;)

1. I never saw this monkey stomp in my wildest dreams. It looks like one of those early season D-1 games between Alabama and Southwestern Northeastern Missouri A & M
2. The Albright game doesn't look so bad now
3. Is it ever sunny in Alliance, Ohio ?
4. Does the dominance of Mount Youngstown keep the crowds at home? Where the heck is everybody?
5. Listening to the Mount announcers is like listening to the children at the kids table at Thanksgiving. My ears are bleeding  :'( The Aggies are so lucky to have Gordon Mann!!!!!!!!!!

I'll take dibs on the 2016 Stagg Champion before anybody else has a chance..........Mount Youngstown over WISCONSIN ww  :)

Basketball and wrestling season await........I'll see everybody when we come out of our slumber next mid-August!

jm, looks like you spoke too soon.  There is no comparison with the Albright game, they were never in it.  Hopefully you actually did watch the second half and enjoyed the Wesley come back.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on December 06, 2015, 11:33:18 AM
Anyone interested in reading about some NFL history...Today is the 90th anniversary of the great small town victory over the big bad boys of Chicago at Comiskey Park in 1925...And to this day, the Cardinals (dis)organization claims the 1925 NFL Championship as their own after getting beat on their field 21-7 in the Championship game!!!...The Maroons Curse lives on...The Cardinals will never win a Super Bowl until they give back The Stolen Championship!!!

http://republicanherald.com/sports/relative-of-maroons-great-recounts-title-game-1.1980198

http://www.pottsvillemaroons1925.com/?page_id=20

Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 06, 2015, 01:54:38 PM
Ha. Yes, the folks in Pottstown still remember that well.

Simba, you've mentioned Pottstown before. Is that where you live?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on December 06, 2015, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 06, 2015, 01:54:38 PM
Ha. Yes, the folks in Pottstown still remember that well.

Simba, you've mentioned Pottstown before. Is that where you live?

Pottsville Gordon...This short You Tube explains more...Have lived here for over 50 years...That's a lot of Yuengling!...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBHu8id_tm0
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 08, 2015, 10:53:33 AM
Ah, yes. My mistake. I know Pottstown and Pottsville are very different. I drive by Pottstown on my way to Reading every week.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 25, 2015, 12:33:17 AM
Happy Holidays to our MAC posters.  If you are traveling, be safe!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on January 08, 2016, 01:38:37 PM
Congratulations to Coach Frank Girardi for his forthcoming induction into the College Football Hall of Fame!

http://www.footballfoundation.org/News/NewsDetail/tabid/567/Article/55536/nff-proudly-announces-impressive-2016-college-football-hall-of-fame-class.aspx


FRANK GIRARDI
Lycoming College (Pa.), 1972-2007
Head Coach, 257-97-5 (72.3%)

Ranking 16th across all NCAA divisions in total wins, Frank Girardi firmly established himself as a legend during his 36 years as Lycoming's head coach from 1972-2007. He becomes the first College Football Hall of Fame inductee (player or coach) from the college.

Girardi took over as the Warriors' head coach in 1972, finishing his career with an impressive 257-97-5 record (72.3 win percentage). It took him three years, but when the team finished 6-2 in 1975, it started a streak of 29 consecutive winning seasons that lasted through 2003. Ranked sixth in NCAA Division III history in wins, Girardi is one of just 17 coaches at any NCAA level to reach the 250-win plateau at one school.

Girardi led Lycoming to 11 appearances in the Division III playoffs, 13 playoff victories and two trips to the Stagg Bowl, the Division III national championship game, in 1990 and 1997. His Warriors led Division III in total defense twice and rushing defense three times. The 12-time MAC Coach of the Year led Lycoming to at least a share of the conference title 13 times, and he became the Maxwell Football Club's first recipient of the Tri-State Coach of the Year Award in 1999. During his illustrious career, Girardi coached 10 First Team All-Americans, two First Team Academic All-Americans and 217 first team all-conference selections. His bust now stands in front of Lycoming's stadium.

Girardi has been inducted into four halls of fame, including the Lycoming Athletics Hall of Fame, West Branch Valley Sports Hall of Fame, the State of Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame and West Chester University (Pa.)'s W. Glenn Killinger Football Hall of Fame. Following the 2007 season, ESPN Radio 1050/104.1 honored Girardi with a lifetime achievement award and announced that the award will carry his name. His other numerous accolades include the NFF Central Pennsylvania Chapter's lifetime achievement award, the first-ever Williamsport Area School District Distinguished Alumni Award and the Boy Scouts of America Brotherhood Award.

A running back on two undefeated teams at West Chester University (Pa.) under College Football Hall of Fame player Glenn Killinger (Penn State),Girardi started his coaching career as the head coach of Jersey Shore (Pa.) Area High School. He joined Lycoming's staff in 1969 as an assistant before taking the reins as head coach in 1972. He also served as Lycoming's athletics director from 1984-2008.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on January 08, 2016, 03:00:41 PM
After five years of annual voting (first 3 years on paper ballots, the last two years electronic) we finally got the "G" in!...I called him right after it was announced on ESPNU today and you could hear the emotion in his voice while speaking to me, always humble, telling me that it was us back in the 70's that started it all and are responsible for it...I respectfully said "No coach, it was your leadership over your staff and us along with strong values of tradition and family over the years that made this happen."

Congrats Coach and as you've stated many times, "Once a Warrior, Always a Warrior!"...The entire Warrior Family is celebrating your success today!

Simba   


http://athletics.lycoming.edu/news/2016/1/8/FOOT_0108163342.aspx

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on January 11, 2016, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: Simba on January 08, 2016, 03:00:41 PM
After five years of annual voting (first 3 years on paper ballots, the last two years electronic) we finally got the "G" in!...I called him right after it was announced on ESPNU today and you could hear the emotion in his voice while speaking to me, always humble, telling me that it was us back in the 70's that started it all and are responsible for it...I respectfully said "No coach, it was your leadership over your staff and us along with strong values of tradition and family over the years that made this happen."

Congrats Coach and as you've stated many times, "Once a Warrior, Always a Warrior!"...The entire Warrior Family is celebrating your success today!

Simba   


http://athletics.lycoming.edu/news/2016/1/8/FOOT_0108163342.aspx

Simba

Congrats.  I am sure Coach G has appreciated all of your and (collective) efforts more than you will ever know.

Also Simba (Gasp!) for a few minutes there I actually have some appreciation for the Lycoming program... ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on January 27, 2016, 04:50:29 PM
Coach Clark gives a testimonial at the annual banquet for #31 Tyler Kapinus who in the process of saving his father's life last May, lost his leg and was unable to play football this past season...What an inspiration for all of us as to the goals he set for himself from his hospital bed that day and accomplishing them when camp started in August....Simba

https://youtu.be/e1ID-fDrDJg

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on February 17, 2016, 04:15:24 PM
I know the board goes into hibernation during the off-season; however, is the any chatter anyone wants to share? Possible transfers coming in or going out? Maybe news on some notable recruits?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 05, 2016, 07:06:04 AM
Amazing win by Nova....
at least the East can win something...:)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on May 05, 2016, 12:52:25 PM

Fellow "Skook" (Schuylkill County Native) Asst Coach Mike "Webby" Weber '86 retires after 32yrs of playing and coaching at Lyco...Good luck Webby and enjoy your son's senior year this Fall...

Simba

http://athletics.lycoming.edu/news/2016/4/26/football-weber-retires-as-lycoming-linebackers-coach.aspx

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 25, 2016, 09:14:10 AM
Any word on MAC school recruits?
C'mon JM you usually have some DVU insider info...:)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on July 03, 2016, 09:23:52 PM
I've tried to upload a file I created of Stevenson football recruits I've seen make public announcements through social media, but the board won't let me upload the PDF. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on July 05, 2016, 11:01:53 PM
More of a question for Pat, but if you have a website you can upload it to, you can paste the link, or just paste the link to the source...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Div3Fan on July 08, 2016, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on July 03, 2016, 09:23:52 PM
I've tried to upload a file I created of Stevenson football recruits I've seen make public announcements through social media, but the board won't let me upload the PDF. Any suggestions?

convert the pdf to a png  :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 10, 2016, 02:19:22 PM
Put it on Google Docs and post a link -- that would be my recommendation.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on July 10, 2016, 04:32:34 PM
Here is a Google Docs link of a file I compiled of all recruits who have made a public announcement to Stevenson through social media. Thank you to all who provided suggestions to work around getting this file on the board, it was greatly appreciated.

Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9zz0PpJNz6CWkhnSXZUT1hoQVE/view?usp=sharing

Let me know if there is trouble with the link.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on July 18, 2016, 10:01:06 PM
Here's the link for the Warriors recruits which were put out a week ago...
You'll have to copy and paste it into your browser...

Simba 🏈

athletics.lycoming.edu/index.aspx?path=football

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on July 22, 2016, 11:01:00 PM
Good to see the MAC being represented well in the preseason poll. My early belief is this year the conference will be a four team race between Albright, Delaware Valley, Stevenson and Widener; however, every season is a fresh start and you never know what could happen!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on August 03, 2016, 01:51:00 PM
MAC and Centennial announce continuation of bowl agreement:

http://gomacsports.com/news/2016/8/3/FB_0803161837.aspx

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 12, 2016, 03:32:21 PM
I will be driving to the Eastern Shore of Maryland for Labor day weekend. Saw that Albright will be playing Salisbury. May get a chance to see some good action.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on August 16, 2016, 10:03:57 AM
Salisbury has just built a nice new facility
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Div3Fan on August 16, 2016, 01:37:52 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 16, 2016, 10:03:57 AM
Salisbury has just built a nice new facility

http://www.delmarvanow.com/story/sports/college/2016/04/07/new-sea-gull-stadium/82750060/
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 17, 2016, 04:53:00 PM
The new stadium Salisbury has built looks great, and is likely on of the top facilities in d3 football. I still believe that Stevenson's facility is better! The best stadium has to be hands down the recently built facility at UMHB!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on August 20, 2016, 03:32:02 PM
Less than two weeks from now on Sept. 2, the DVU Aggies will be in Dover playing Wesley.  Should be a good game - any comments, trash talk, anything???  It'd be great if this weather broke.  Good luck to ALL the MAC teams in this 2016 season!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Western PA Football on August 20, 2016, 05:30:51 PM
Looking forward to the Wesley/DVU game. It should be a good game. I would not be surprised if DVU wins.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 21, 2016, 08:35:38 PM
Looking forward to week 1 for the MAC! The DVU/Wesley and Albright/Salisbury games should provide a good OOC measuring stick for conference contenders to gauge how the MAC ranks against other conference powers. Other games, such as Kings/Moravian and LVC/FMC should give the rest of the conference a good indication if the MAC will have depth or be top heavy this year. Finally, the Misericordia/Utica game should give a glimpse of how far the bottom portion of the conference has improved and could be telling of truly how far apart the gap is for those bottom teams to become a contender both in conference and regionally. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on August 22, 2016, 12:33:14 AM
Quote from: Western PA Football on August 20, 2016, 05:30:51 PM
Looking forward to the Wesley/DVU game. It should be a good game. I would not be surprised if DVU wins.
Wesley returns plenty of playmakers on the nation's top offense from 2015. Shade, Okike, Kemp and Baynard will keep DVUs hands full. Even without Callahan I see Wesley getting into the 30s in points. The question will be how much Wesleys defense has improved from 2015. They left a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on August 27, 2016, 08:07:37 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 17, 2016, 04:53:00 PM
The new stadium Salisbury has built looks great, and is likely on of the top facilities in d3 football. I still believe that Stevenson's facility is better! The best stadium has to be hands down the recently built facility at UMHB!

Pep had the pleasure of visiting the UMHB house a few weeks ago. Outstanding venue...visitor stands are exceptional seating and view of the field. While Pep didn't go into the Press Box, from a distance it was apparent that there wasn't anything they hadn't thought of. Haven't experienced a game there so can't really judge game day atmosphere/experience, but the facility certainly lends itself to a fun day at the stadium!

Pep also visited venues at Franklin College, IN and Clemens Stadium in Collegeville, MN (home of the Johnnies) in his recent coast-to-coast excursion.

They're all nice, but Pep is partial to "The Pit," aka Merrill Field aka Yunevich Stadium, sandwiched between Pine Hill and the shores of the Kanakadea.  ::)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on August 31, 2016, 12:08:49 AM
Anyone who will be traveling to  Dover Friday for the Wesley/Del Val game give yourself a bit of extra travel time. The traffic is brutal down rts13 and 1 with shore traffic especially with the holiday. Safe travels
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 31, 2016, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on August 31, 2016, 12:08:49 AM
Anyone who will be traveling to  Dover Friday for the Wesley/Del Val game give yourself a bit of extra travel time. The traffic is brutal down rts13 and 1 with shore traffic especially with the holiday. Safe travels
Let's face it...traffic is always brutal on 1, 13, 113, sometimes 9, and 1a....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2016, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: Western PA Football on August 20, 2016, 05:30:51 PM
Looking forward to the Wesley/DVU game. It should be a good game. I would not be surprised if DVU wins.

I would be blown away given what Wesley brings back and what they brought in!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: thewaterboy on August 22, 2016, 12:33:14 AM
Quote from: Western PA Football on August 20, 2016, 05:30:51 PM
Looking forward to the Wesley/DVU game. It should be a good game. I would not be surprised if DVU wins.
Wesley returns plenty of playmakers on the nation's top offense from 2015. Shade, Okike, Kemp and Baynard will keep DVUs hands full. Even without Callahan I see Wesley getting into the 30s in points. The question will be how much Wesleys defense has improved from 2015. They left a lot to be desired.

I could QB Wesley to a 10-0 record this year..........and I'm 46 and never played the position. I don't think anybody gets within 10 points of Wesley this year..........until the second or third round of the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2016, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 21, 2016, 08:35:38 PM
Looking forward to week 1 for the MAC! The DVU/Wesley and Albright/Salisbury games should provide a good OOC measuring stick for conference contenders to gauge how the MAC ranks against other conference powers. Other games, such as Kings/Moravian and LVC/FMC should give the rest of the conference a good indication if the MAC will have depth or be top heavy this year. Finally, the Misericordia/Utica game should give a glimpse of how far the bottom portion of the conference has improved and could be telling of truly how far apart the gap is for those bottom teams to become a contender both in conference and regionally.

I think that winning a conference like the MAC is most program's "Superbowl" given the level playing field (for the most part) within the conference. I'm not sure building a super power is very high on the list of most of the president's within the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Div3Fan on August 31, 2016, 07:01:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2016, 12:56:45 PM



I could QB Wesley to a 10-0 record this year..........and I'm 46 and never played the position. I don't think anybody gets within 10 points of Wesley this year..........until the second or third round of the playoffs.

Hyperbolic optimism. I think Wesley will have one, maybe two, games that are decided by 1-2 td's in conference play. I'd go with SU being one of those teams, and the other being Rowan, or surprisingly FSU.

You don't really think Wesley could just run the ball to 10-0, do you?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 31, 2016, 08:22:16 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2016, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 21, 2016, 08:35:38 PM
Looking forward to week 1 for the MAC! The DVU/Wesley and Albright/Salisbury games should provide a good OOC measuring stick for conference contenders to gauge how the MAC ranks against other conference powers. Other games, such as Kings/Moravian and LVC/FMC should give the rest of the conference a good indication if the MAC will have depth or be top heavy this year. Finally, the Misericordia/Utica game should give a glimpse of how far the bottom portion of the conference has improved and could be telling of truly how far apart the gap is for those bottom teams to become a contender both in conference and regionally.

I think that winning a conference like the MAC is most program's "Superbowl" given the level playing field (for the most part) within the conference. I'm not sure building a super power is very high on the list of most of the president's within the conference.

It used to be at Widener...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on August 31, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
Looking forward to the MAC/NJAC battles this week.  All 3 games look to be good and competitive.  Del Val is always tough on Wesley.  Rowan and Widener look to improve off of last years down performances.  Salisbury looks to get a little revenge for the blown 20 point 4th quarter lead against Albright.  I am going with an NJAC sweep, likely in 3 close games.  I am getting to see 2 of them so I will have a report for the MAC folk late Saturday or Sunday.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2016, 02:05:39 PM
Depending on how things go, I may take my little daughter to Widener/Rowan on Saturday. She's 20 months old and calls every sport "baseball game" but it'll give us something to do that doesn't involve a Sesame Street character.

Because of changes at work and my taking over the reins for D3hoops.com, I'm only broadcasting Del Val home games this season. So I'll have to track the Wesley/DVU game via the internet. Wesley should win, but hopefully the Aggies keep it close.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 01, 2016, 09:52:09 PM
Hello Gordon!  Good luck with your new position at D3 hoops!   You will be missed announcing the Aggie away games, but we'll look forward to your broadcasts of our home contests!   Yes, very much hope that DVU can make it a game tomorrow night! 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 02, 2016, 09:00:44 AM
I am not a Delaware Valley University graduate (although having lived now in beautiful Doylestown for years, we've adopted each other) and this is not football related but I stumbled across something that I found quite interesting and it took me back to a DelVal game at Widener two years ago. We were sitting in the stands, on the larger Widener side and a group of Widener students were yelling, "farm boys, farm boys". Now, these particular students did not look like future Rhodes Scholars and if anybody looked at the composition of the Aggies football team, I'm not sure any of them, even the linemen, looked like farmers...........but it did get me thinking about things like perception. And then came the article that I just stumbled across. Out of 79 Pennsylvania Colleges & Universities, DelVal had the 6th highest pass rate for the CPA exam......beating schools like Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh and Villanova......and I'm sure some much bigger and more prestigious schools that didn't even make the top ten. Kudos go out to Lycoming who finished #3 in the state as well!!! I guess these little MAC schools don't have to take an educational backseat to anybody. I've always considered DelVal an undiscovered gem in my backyard..........given continued enrollment gains in a shrinking college age population base, more majors, university status and data such as this.........maybe others are discovering the same. I'd like to e-mail this data to those kids at Widener and ask them how this could be the case. I gues DelVal will put food on your table and make sure that you eat clean from the fields AND will help you with your individual and corporate tax issues! ;) http://www.delval.edu/news/delval-students-excel-on-the-cpa-exam
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 02, 2016, 10:45:29 AM
Thanks for your thoughts and for posting this jmcozenlaw!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 02, 2016, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: Div3Fan on August 31, 2016, 07:01:11 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2016, 12:56:45 PM



I could QB Wesley to a 10-0 record this year..........and I'm 46 and never played the position. I don't think anybody gets within 10 points of Wesley this year..........until the second or third round of the playoffs.

Hyperbolic optimism. I think Wesley will have one, maybe two, games that are decided by 1-2 td's in conference play. I'd go with SU being one of those teams, and the other being Rowan, or surprisingly FSU.

You don't really think Wesley could just run the ball to 10-0, do you?

Opinions are like you-know-what's and everybody has one and is entitled to their own and they can't be wrong or right until they are borne out. Optimism indeed given the stud receivers and running backs. I stated that I didn't think anybody gets within 10 points of Wesley. I'm right if somebody gets within only 11. Not much different really than your only one or two games (out of ten) decided by 1-2 TD's (which is 7 to 14 points........I'm just about smack in the middle of you). Wesley has a great running game but also has two spectacular receivers. You don't need a stud QB to get them the ball behind that huge offensive line and with the threat of the running game. We'll see.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 02, 2016, 01:36:40 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 01, 2016, 02:05:39 PM
Depending on how things go, I may take my little daughter to Widener/Rowan on Saturday. She's 20 months old and calls every sport "baseball game" but it'll give us something to do that doesn't involve a Sesame Street character.

Because of changes at work and my taking over the reins for D3hoops.com, I'm only broadcasting Del Val home games this season. So I'll have to track the Wesley/DVU game via the internet. Wesley should win, but hopefully the Aggies keep it close.

I'm happy for you Gordon but sad for your devoted listeners (like me). Any Gordon substitutes for road games? I guess we'll have to get by with the away broadcast teams! Kill it with D3hoops!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Upstate on September 02, 2016, 08:55:07 PM
Good win for the Aggies!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 02, 2016, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on August 31, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
Looking forward to the MAC/NJAC battles this week.  All 3 games look to be good and competitive.  Del Val is always tough on Wesley.  Rowan and Widener look to improve off of last years down performances.  Salisbury looks to get a little revenge for the blown 20 point 4th quarter lead against Albright.  I am going with an NJAC sweep, likely in 3 close games.  I am getting to see 2 of them so I will have a report for the MAC folk late Saturday or Sunday.

Wesleydad (or anybody else who was at the game who can give me a little more than "you can't win turning the ball over five times"........."you can tell Joe Callahan wasn't out there"........"you can't win with 100+ yards in penalties.......etc.)

I wasn't able to sit back and watch the game, when I could tune in the live stats were permanently frozen at the 3:54 mark of the 3rd quarter and my 20 attempts at the video feed produced a 1980's porn-like fuzziness (somebody please let the folks at Wesley know that it really isn't expensive to upgrade technology into the year 2016........like Stevenson, DelVal and most shoestring budget D-III programs).

1. I haven't seen DelVal this year and I know that they lost some key pieces and had to build a new offensive line but what would you say impressed you about the Aggies?
2. Having scrimmaged Albright last week and assuming they don't turn the ball over 5 times, can the Aggies hang with them? Do you think they can contend in the MAC? (the coaches polls are somewhat of a joke I've been told, with some games being played by a few coaches to shine the spotlight of expectations on a specific team or teams). With what they have coming back, Albright should be the clear MAC favorite and actually had 6 first place votes to DelVal's 4.
3. What do you think of the Aggies defense as they are working in about 5/6 new pieces at LB and in the defensive backfield? Is Shawn Miller the real deal?
4. The QB before Callahan (lives out this way) said he thought that 1, maybe 2 of DelVal's defenders would start at Wesley and nobody from DelVal's offense would do so. Did it look like that from an eyeball test perspective or is Shane just a bit off?

Great start to the season for the Aggies............and now I will say that Wesley runs the table, but I'll take the nobody gets within 10 points out of the equation. Kind of like being knocked out in Week One of WIP's Suicide Pool like I was last year!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 02, 2016, 10:18:43 PM
Nice win by Del Val....and Stevenson just finished winning a VERY sloppy game ( was watching some of the video at a great HS game) 6 picks ( 1 returned for a TD) outdid 4 of your own turnovers ( that will need to be cleaned up quickly!!). Looks like Wilkes held it tight with the Mules and Salisbury might be one to look at down the road clobbering Albright. We will see what Albright has next week. Del Val/ Stevenson is homecoming/family weekend at Stevenson too. Even more going there if it should come down to that for the championship; but there is plenty of football to play before then. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 02, 2016, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 02, 2016, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on August 31, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
Looking forward to the MAC/NJAC battles this week.  All 3 games look to be good and competitive.  Del Val is always tough on Wesley.  Rowan and Widener look to improve off of last years down performances.  Salisbury looks to get a little revenge for the blown 20 point 4th quarter lead against Albright.  I am going with an NJAC sweep, likely in 3 close games.  I am getting to see 2 of them so I will have a report for the MAC folk late Saturday or Sunday.

Wesleydad (or anybody else who was at the game who can give me a little more than "you can't win turning the ball over five times"........."you can tell Joe Callahan wasn't out there"........"you can't win with 100+ yards in penalties.......etc.)

I wasn't able to sit back and watch the game, when I could tune in the live stats were permanently frozen at the 3:54 mark of the 3rd quarter and my 20 attempts at the video feed produced a 1980's porn-like fuzziness (somebody please let the folks at Wesley know that it really isn't expensive to upgrade technology into the year 2016........like Stevenson, DelVal and most shoestring budget D-III programs).

1. I haven't seen DelVal this year and I know that they lost some key pieces and had to build a new offensive line but what would you say impressed you about the Aggies?
2. Having scrimmaged Albright last week and assuming they don't turn the ball over 5 times, can the Aggies hang with them? Do you think they can contend in the MAC? (the coaches polls are somewhat of a joke I've been told, with some games being played by a few coaches to shine the spotlight of expectations on a specific team or teams). With what they have coming back, Albright should be the clear MAC favorite and actually had 6 first place votes to DelVal's 4.
3. What do you think of the Aggies defense as they are working in about 5/6 new pieces at LB and in the defensive backfield? Is Shawn Miller the real deal?
4. The QB before Callahan (lives out this way) said he thought that 1, maybe 2 of DelVal's defenders would start at Wesley and nobody from DelVal's offense would do so. Did it look like that from an eyeball test perspective or is Shane just a bit off?

Great start to the season for the Aggies............and now I will say that Wesley runs the table, but I'll take the nobody gets within 10 points out of the equation. Kind of like being knocked out in Week One of WIP's Suicide Pool like I was last year!! :)

Del Val is presently better than Wesley.  They are not going to give up many points to anyone from what I saw tonight.  The defense has good size and the d backs challenge plays.  If the QB connects on 2 long passes, both overthrown, this game may not have been close.  The running backs are good.  The D line won the battle easily, creating pressure on almost every pass play.  I did not see the scrimmage Wesley had with Albright, but have heard that Wesley handled them.  Del Val has to be the favorite in the MAC especially since Albright got beat by Salisbury tonight.  I expect Del Val to possibly run the table, but I know the MAC is tough.  I would take several of the D backs from Del Val over the ones from Wesley.  Del Val's O line is better than Wesley's so I would take some of them also.  Wesley has issues to fix if they are going to win the NJAC.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 03, 2016, 09:52:20 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 02, 2016, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 02, 2016, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on August 31, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
Looking forward to the MAC/NJAC battles this week.  All 3 games look to be good and competitive.  Del Val is always tough on Wesley.  Rowan and Widener look to improve off of last years down performances.  Salisbury looks to get a little revenge for the blown 20 point 4th quarter lead against Albright.  I am going with an NJAC sweep, likely in 3 close games.  I am getting to see 2 of them so I will have a report for the MAC folk late Saturday or Sunday.

Wesleydad (or anybody else who was at the game who can give me a little more than "you can't win turning the ball over five times"........."you can tell Joe Callahan wasn't out there"........"you can't win with 100+ yards in penalties.......etc.)

I wasn't able to sit back and watch the game, when I could tune in the live stats were permanently frozen at the 3:54 mark of the 3rd quarter and my 20 attempts at the video feed produced a 1980's porn-like fuzziness (somebody please let the folks at Wesley know that it really isn't expensive to upgrade technology into the year 2016........like Stevenson, DelVal and most shoestring budget D-III programs).

1. I haven't seen DelVal this year and I know that they lost some key pieces and had to build a new offensive line but what would you say impressed you about the Aggies?
2. Having scrimmaged Albright last week and assuming they don't turn the ball over 5 times, can the Aggies hang with them? Do you think they can contend in the MAC? (the coaches polls are somewhat of a joke I've been told, with some games being played by a few coaches to shine the spotlight of expectations on a specific team or teams). With what they have coming back, Albright should be the clear MAC favorite and actually had 6 first place votes to DelVal's 4.
3. What do you think of the Aggies defense as they are working in about 5/6 new pieces at LB and in the defensive backfield? Is Shawn Miller the real deal?
4. The QB before Callahan (lives out this way) said he thought that 1, maybe 2 of DelVal's defenders would start at Wesley and nobody from DelVal's offense would do so. Did it look like that from an eyeball test perspective or is Shane just a bit off?

Great start to the season for the Aggies............and now I will say that Wesley runs the table, but I'll take the nobody gets within 10 points out of the equation. Kind of like being knocked out in Week One of WIP's Suicide Pool like I was last year!! :)

Del Val is presently better than Wesley.  They are not going to give up many points to anyone from what I saw tonight.  The defense has good size and the d backs challenge plays.  If the QB connects on 2 long passes, both overthrown, this game may not have been close.  The running backs are good.  The D line won the battle easily, creating pressure on almost every pass play.  I did not see the scrimmage Wesley had with Albright, but have heard that Wesley handled them.  Del Val has to be the favorite in the MAC especially since Albright got beat by Salisbury tonight.  I expect Del Val to possibly run the table, but I know the MAC is tough.  I would take several of the D backs from Del Val over the ones from Wesley.  Del Val's O line is better than Wesley's so I would take some of them also.  Wesley has issues to fix if they are going to win the NJAC.

Wesleydad - You and your honest and always objective analysis are the best. Your first sentence stuns me as I kind of looked at it the other way.........despite being -5 in turnovers, Wesley could have tied the game had they not fumbled on the last drive. I thought the DelVal defense would be decent but given the number of new LB's and DB's, I thought they'd struggle (and still might) against Albright, Stevenson and Widener. The biggest question, by far, was on the Aggies offensive line after losing two key seniors, having a stud freshman not come back this year and losing a starter for the year in the intrasquad scrimmage. Given all of that, if DelVal's offensive line is better than Wesley's..................Wesley has some real issues going forward this year. It sounds like you might take a DelVal defensive lineman or two given how you said they easily won the battle. I have to tell Shane to take the Wesley goggles off........although he's probably getting this info from the coaches since his buddies from the team are all long gone. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 03, 2016, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 03, 2016, 09:52:20 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 02, 2016, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 02, 2016, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on August 31, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
Looking forward to the MAC/NJAC battles this week.  All 3 games look to be good and competitive.  Del Val is always tough on Wesley.  Rowan and Widener look to improve off of last years down performances.  Salisbury looks to get a little revenge for the blown 20 point 4th quarter lead against Albright.  I am going with an NJAC sweep, likely in 3 close games.  I am getting to see 2 of them so I will have a report for the MAC folk late Saturday or Sunday.

Wesleydad (or anybody else who was at the game who can give me a little more than "you can't win turning the ball over five times"........."you can tell Joe Callahan wasn't out there"........"you can't win with 100+ yards in penalties.......etc.)

I wasn't able to sit back and watch the game, when I could tune in the live stats were permanently frozen at the 3:54 mark of the 3rd quarter and my 20 attempts at the video feed produced a 1980's porn-like fuzziness (somebody please let the folks at Wesley know that it really isn't expensive to upgrade technology into the year 2016........like Stevenson, DelVal and most shoestring budget D-III programs).

1. I haven't seen DelVal this year and I know that they lost some key pieces and had to build a new offensive line but what would you say impressed you about the Aggies?
2. Having scrimmaged Albright last week and assuming they don't turn the ball over 5 times, can the Aggies hang with them? Do you think they can contend in the MAC? (the coaches polls are somewhat of a joke I've been told, with some games being played by a few coaches to shine the spotlight of expectations on a specific team or teams). With what they have coming back, Albright should be the clear MAC favorite and actually had 6 first place votes to DelVal's 4.
3. What do you think of the Aggies defense as they are working in about 5/6 new pieces at LB and in the defensive backfield? Is Shawn Miller the real deal?
4. The QB before Callahan (lives out this way) said he thought that 1, maybe 2 of DelVal's defenders would start at Wesley and nobody from DelVal's offense would do so. Did it look like that from an eyeball test perspective or is Shane just a bit off?

Great start to the season for the Aggies............and now I will say that Wesley runs the table, but I'll take the nobody gets within 10 points out of the equation. Kind of like being knocked out in Week One of WIP's Suicide Pool like I was last year!! :)

Del Val is presently better than Wesley.  They are not going to give up many points to anyone from what I saw tonight.  The defense has good size and the d backs challenge plays.  If the QB connects on 2 long passes, both overthrown, this game may not have been close.  The running backs are good.  The D line won the battle easily, creating pressure on almost every pass play.  I did not see the scrimmage Wesley had with Albright, but have heard that Wesley handled them.  Del Val has to be the favorite in the MAC especially since Albright got beat by Salisbury tonight.  I expect Del Val to possibly run the table, but I know the MAC is tough.  I would take several of the D backs from Del Val over the ones from Wesley.  Del Val's O line is better than Wesley's so I would take some of them also.  Wesley has issues to fix if they are going to win the NJAC.

Wesleydad - You and your honest and always objective analysis are the best. Your first sentence stuns me as I kind of looked at it the other way.........despite being -5 in turnovers, Wesley could have tied the game had they not fumbled on the last drive. I thought the DelVal defense would be decent but given the number of new LB's and DB's, I thought they'd struggle (and still might) against Albright, Stevenson and Widener. The biggest question, by far, was on the Aggies offensive line after losing two key seniors, having a stud freshman not come back this year and losing a starter for the year in the intrasquad scrimmage. Given all of that, if DelVal's offensive line is better than Wesley's..................Wesley has some real issues going forward this year. It sounds like you might take a DelVal defensive lineman or two given how you said they easily won the battle. I have to tell Shane to take the Wesley goggles off........although he's probably getting this info from the coaches since his buddies from the team are all long gone. :)

As I said, presently Del Val is better.  Wesley has a much bigger upside.  Do they win without the turnovers, maybe.  If Del Val connects on 2 open long passes the game is not even close so it all equals out in my opinion.  Del Val got more pressure on Wesley, but not by much so both D lines did their job.  The fumble occurred in desperation time, but was a good throw and Shade after breaking a tackle near midfield had the ball poked away by Del Val.  If he does not fumble he may have taken it in or would have gotten close.  There is no guarantee that Wesley scores.  Most of Wesley's yards came between the 20's and with the mistakes they never really threatened to score except when they did.  The ints were mistakes by QB's but also by the predictable offense Wesley was running.  Miller was able to step into coverage because he was not forced to cover passes down the field.  Del Val is pretty good and if they handle the ball the defense is not going to give up much.  I would not worry much about Albright as they seemed to struggle to score on Salisbury who has not been known to have a killer defense.  I will see Widener today and will report later, but I expect Rowan to win the game.  Who will be better at seasons end is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 03, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
surprised no one else posted about the widener game today.  I saw the third and forth teams today.  Widener and Rowan do not show much on offense or maybe it was that both defenses are pretty good.  Widener had this game in control then get beat deep to make it 14 - 10.  Then, possibly the worst punt team I have seen in my years of watching D3 football has the second punt blocked, Rowan looked like they could have blocked every one today, and turns it into another TD and a game that looked like a sure win turns into a loss.  Widener needs more offense, but the punt game needs to get fixed quick.  Widener's D is very good.  Front 7 real strong and they challenge receivers.  Rowan is plain, boring as usual.  Nothing fancy, but in the end they get the win.  after this weekend I will go with Del Val > Wesley > Rowan > Widener.  These are probably 4 of the better teams in the east but none of them are a top 10 team.  The east looks to be filled again with several good teams, but no one who can challenge for the national title.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Div3Fan on September 04, 2016, 11:21:09 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 03, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
after this weekend I will go with Del Val > Wesley > Rowan > Widener.  These are probably 4 of the better teams in the east but none of them are a top 10 team.  The east looks to be filled again with several good teams, but no one who can challenge for the national title.

No Salisbury?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24

I'm going to throw a curveball or two in here on my 2016 season predictions:

1. Stevenson (the key DelVal game is at home and getting better at the higher level transfer gig..........but not Rowan in the 90's ;) )
2. Albright (6 first place votes by MAC coaches and everybody back of significance from last year's MAC Champion)
3. DelVal (Stevenson on the road + the annual loss vs. a team that you shouldn't lose to.........at Wilkes in 2015)
4. Widener (excellent defense and solid running game)
5. Lycoming (may surprise with what they have at RB/QB and all they have back from last year)
6. King's (might be better than most think)
7. Wilkes (same as King's)
8. Leb Valley (too many decent teams in the MAC)
9. FDU (best receiver in the conference is the highlight)
10. Misericordia (they replaced a running QB........with a running QB........the long slog continues)

On another note, to those who don't think a 1st round draft pick, a 4th and the 2017 cap space now freed up to resign Bennie Logan was a criminal haul for an oft-injured QB who was gone after this season.........I want to sit next to you at the poker table and take all of your money! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:23:07 AM
Quote from: Div3Fan on September 04, 2016, 11:21:09 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 03, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
after this weekend I will go with Del Val > Wesley > Rowan > Widener.  These are probably 4 of the better teams in the east but none of them are a top 10 team.  The east looks to be filled again with several good teams, but no one who can challenge for the national title.

No Salisbury?

I think he's talking about the four teams he saw with his own eyes on Friday and Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Div3Fan on September 04, 2016, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:23:07 AM


I think he's talking about the four teams he saw with his own eyes on Friday and Saturday.

makes sense  :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:27:57 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 03, 2016, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 03, 2016, 09:52:20 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 02, 2016, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 02, 2016, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on August 31, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
Looking forward to the MAC/NJAC battles this week.  All 3 games look to be good and competitive.  Del Val is always tough on Wesley.  Rowan and Widener look to improve off of last years down performances.  Salisbury looks to get a little revenge for the blown 20 point 4th quarter lead against Albright.  I am going with an NJAC sweep, likely in 3 close games.  I am getting to see 2 of them so I will have a report for the MAC folk late Saturday or Sunday.

Wesleydad (or anybody else who was at the game who can give me a little more than "you can't win turning the ball over five times"........."you can tell Joe Callahan wasn't out there"........"you can't win with 100+ yards in penalties.......etc.)

I wasn't able to sit back and watch the game, when I could tune in the live stats were permanently frozen at the 3:54 mark of the 3rd quarter and my 20 attempts at the video feed produced a 1980's porn-like fuzziness (somebody please let the folks at Wesley know that it really isn't expensive to upgrade technology into the year 2016........like Stevenson, DelVal and most shoestring budget D-III programs).

1. I haven't seen DelVal this year and I know that they lost some key pieces and had to build a new offensive line but what would you say impressed you about the Aggies?
2. Having scrimmaged Albright last week and assuming they don't turn the ball over 5 times, can the Aggies hang with them? Do you think they can contend in the MAC? (the coaches polls are somewhat of a joke I've been told, with some games being played by a few coaches to shine the spotlight of expectations on a specific team or teams). With what they have coming back, Albright should be the clear MAC favorite and actually had 6 first place votes to DelVal's 4.
3. What do you think of the Aggies defense as they are working in about 5/6 new pieces at LB and in the defensive backfield? Is Shawn Miller the real deal?
4. The QB before Callahan (lives out this way) said he thought that 1, maybe 2 of DelVal's defenders would start at Wesley and nobody from DelVal's offense would do so. Did it look like that from an eyeball test perspective or is Shane just a bit off?

Great start to the season for the Aggies............and now I will say that Wesley runs the table, but I'll take the nobody gets within 10 points out of the equation. Kind of like being knocked out in Week One of WIP's Suicide Pool like I was last year!! :)

Del Val is presently better than Wesley.  They are not going to give up many points to anyone from what I saw tonight.  The defense has good size and the d backs challenge plays.  If the QB connects on 2 long passes, both overthrown, this game may not have been close.  The running backs are good.  The D line won the battle easily, creating pressure on almost every pass play.  I did not see the scrimmage Wesley had with Albright, but have heard that Wesley handled them.  Del Val has to be the favorite in the MAC especially since Albright got beat by Salisbury tonight.  I expect Del Val to possibly run the table, but I know the MAC is tough.  I would take several of the D backs from Del Val over the ones from Wesley.  Del Val's O line is better than Wesley's so I would take some of them also.  Wesley has issues to fix if they are going to win the NJAC.

Wesleydad - You and your honest and always objective analysis are the best. Your first sentence stuns me as I kind of looked at it the other way.........despite being -5 in turnovers, Wesley could have tied the game had they not fumbled on the last drive. I thought the DelVal defense would be decent but given the number of new LB's and DB's, I thought they'd struggle (and still might) against Albright, Stevenson and Widener. The biggest question, by far, was on the Aggies offensive line after losing two key seniors, having a stud freshman not come back this year and losing a starter for the year in the intrasquad scrimmage. Given all of that, if DelVal's offensive line is better than Wesley's..................Wesley has some real issues going forward this year. It sounds like you might take a DelVal defensive lineman or two given how you said they easily won the battle. I have to tell Shane to take the Wesley goggles off........although he's probably getting this info from the coaches since his buddies from the team are all long gone. :)

As I said, presently Del Val is better.  Wesley has a much bigger upside.  Do they win without the turnovers, maybe.  If Del Val connects on 2 open long passes the game is not even close so it all equals out in my opinion.  Del Val got more pressure on Wesley, but not by much so both D lines did their job.  The fumble occurred in desperation time, but was a good throw and Shade after breaking a tackle near midfield had the ball poked away by Del Val.  If he does not fumble he may have taken it in or would have gotten close.  There is no guarantee that Wesley scores.  Most of Wesley's yards came between the 20's and with the mistakes they never really threatened to score except when they did.  The ints were mistakes by QB's but also by the predictable offense Wesley was running.  Miller was able to step into coverage because he was not forced to cover passes down the field.  Del Val is pretty good and if they handle the ball the defense is not going to give up much.  I would not worry much about Albright as they seemed to struggle to score on Salisbury who has not been known to have a killer defense.  I will see Widener today and will report later, but I expect Rowan to win the game.  Who will be better at seasons end is anyone's guess.

I fully agree with the "Wesley has much bigger upside" and I don't see them, with their pedigree, losing twice in one season (should they meet in the playoffs) to any team not named Mount Union, the D-II program in Wisconsin, Linfield, UMHB and maybe, just maybe, another team or two who's name is slipping my mind. Wesley would have a massive chip on their shoulder in a rematch and the QB's would have a season's worth of experience.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 04, 2016, 05:02:44 PM
Quote from: Div3Fan on September 04, 2016, 11:21:09 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 03, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
after this weekend I will go with Del Val > Wesley > Rowan > Widener.  These are probably 4 of the better teams in the east but none of them are a top 10 team.  The east looks to be filled again with several good teams, but no one who can challenge for the national title.

No Salisbury?

I was only talking about the 4 teams that I saw this weekend, did not see Salisbury, but I have them #1 in my erfp.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 05, 2016, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: kate on September 02, 2016, 10:45:29 AM
Thanks for your thoughts and for posting this jmcozenlaw!

Kate - No problem!! I always struggle with the term "better" schools. What makes a school "better"? Sure, computer programming at Stanford and engineering at M.I.T............I get it. But whether you are being taught accounting at DelVal by a professor with a significant amount of real world experience, or by a professor's assistant at Penn with zero real world experience, no matter where you go, a debit is a debit.......and a credit is a credit. The same is true with about 95% of classes and majors. Is a journalism degree from Northwestern or a communications degree from Syracuse great? Absolutely! The Philadelphia area (and it's crazed sports fans) has a massive media presence filled with people who went to neither. They went to LaSalle, Temple, Fairfield, Wake Forest, Bloomsburg. Most people's reality is clouded by the very false narrative of their jaded perception. I don't know how I got into Swarthmore, and certainly wouldn't today, but most people have never heard of it because they don't play football on ESPN on Saturday nights. I told a few people that it was tougher to get into then most Ivy League schools and they laughed. The doc who replaced my knee? DelVal undergrad. The top veterinarian in the tri-state area? DelVal undergrad. Three of the Top 50 Superlawyers (including my divorce attorney) in the Philly area in 2014? DelVal undergrads. Biology is biology wherever you go. Chemistry is chemistry wherever you go. The periodic table is not different at elitist schools :) There are plenty of doctors, ortho surgeons, dentists, vets, a few bank presidents, about a dozen CEO's and on and on and on from DelVal.........as well the other MAC schools. When a Centennial Conference or a Landmark Conference or anybody from the snooty New England area looks down at our conference..........I remind them that my knee has never felt better, my lawyer won in a landslide (I hope my ex doesn't read this board ;) ) the dog is healthy at 14 years old and the tip about going extremely long gold miners 14 weeks ago.........came from a DelVal undergrad (Villanova MBA) ;) Oh, and the two best employees that I've ever had work for me in my life? Kutztown State and Berks County Community College/Alvernia grads. I've fired people from Penn, Cornell, Lehigh, Bucknell and Hamilton (the college.......not the play, which was awesome, saw it twice) :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: rams1102 on September 05, 2016, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 04, 2016, 05:02:44 PM
Quote from: Div3Fan on September 04, 2016, 11:21:09 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 03, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
after this weekend I will go with Del Val > Wesley > Rowan > Widener.  These are probably 4 of the better teams in the east but none of them are a top 10 team.  The east looks to be filled again with several good teams, but no one who can challenge for the national title.

No Salisbury?

I was only talking about the 4 teams that I saw this weekend, did not see Salisbury, but I have them #1 in my erfp.

Me Too. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 06, 2016, 11:55:45 AM
Week 1 was a good mix of performances for conference teams against OOC teams. The biggest surprise was obviously Del Val's win against Wesley. Bravo to them carrying the conference flag well! I was a little surprised with Albright's lose to Salisbury. I believed that it was going to be a tight contest; however, Albright was returning a good amount of returners from last years team that was able to beat Salisbury. Congrats to Wilkes. Although they couldn't pull out the win, I think they had a good showing against a historically good Muhlenberg team.

After watching the Stevenson game, my takeaways are that the team looks okay, but has some serious hole to fill before I can say that they could contend with Del Val. The defense looks strong, but had lapses several times throughout the game. N.C. Wesleyan's #5 player definitely was a matchup problem; consistency taking the top of the defense. Offensively, it was a good performance; however, the QB needs to still avoid making rushed decisions and throwing the ball to the opponent. The rushing attack looks strong, but the backup RBs need to develop for depth at the position.

On a side note, I noticed that Stevenson switched streaming platforms this year. Last year was Stretch internet, but this year it looks like they are streaming on YouTube. This might be a question for Dave, but does anyone know why the switch was made? My only guess is that it allows the stream to be broadcasted as HTML5 instead of needing Adobe Flash. Broadcast still looks amazing!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2016, 02:23:06 PM
Not to speak for Dave but there are some other benefits, too:
1. It's free.
2. It does a better job delivering the best stream for your device -- a higher-quality stream if you have a fast connection and a lower bitrate if you are mobile or otherwise have slow internet.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 06, 2016, 06:34:22 PM
Fellow Lycoming Warrior & Sigma Pi Brother, Jerry "Goose" McGinn, informed me yesterday that he'll be doing the Penn State/Pitt Game this Sat at noon on ESPN...

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Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 09, 2016, 01:56:41 PM
Quote from: Simba on September 06, 2016, 06:34:22 PM
Fellow Lycoming Warrior & Sigma Pi Brother, Jerry "Goose" McGinn, informed me yesterday that he'll be doing the Penn State/Pitt Game this Sat at noon on ESPN...

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I remember when that game rivaled Michigan/Ohio State, Alabama/Auburn games. I went to the "79 and 80 games at Beaver Stadium. It's either cool or makes me old to say that I saw Dan Marino play as a freshman at Pitt (and Todd Blackledge, Curt Warner, Hugh Green, Ricky Jackson, etc.)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 09, 2016, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24

I'm going to throw a curveball or two in here on my 2016 season predictions:

1. Stevenson (the key DelVal game is at home and getting better at the higher level transfer gig..........but not Rowan in the 90's ;) )
2. Albright (6 first place votes by MAC coaches and everybody back of significance from last year's MAC Champion)
3. DelVal (Stevenson on the road + the annual loss vs. a team that you shouldn't lose to.........at Wilkes in 2015)
4. Widener (excellent defense and solid running game)
5. Lycoming (may surprise with what they have at RB/QB and all they have back from last year)
6. King's (might be better than most think)
7. Wilkes (same as King's)
8. Leb Valley (too many decent teams in the MAC)
9. FDU (best receiver in the conference is the highlight)
10. Misericordia (they replaced a running QB........with a running QB........the long slog continues)

On another note, to those who don't think a 1st round draft pick, a 4th and the 2017 cap space now freed up to resign Bennie Logan was a criminal haul for an oft-injured QB who was gone after this season.........I want to sit next to you at the poker table and take all of your money! ;)

Week Two Predictions:
DelVal - 34        Misericordia - 13 (Moved the game from tomorrow's heat to tonight's monsoon........will effect scoring)
Albright - 31      Stevenson - 27 (My MAC Preseason favorite is at home and returns too much on offense. Victory in last two minutes)
Lycoming - 33    King's - 20 (I expect Lyco to make noise this year with a great running game, defense, a ton back from last year and a great recruiting class)
Wilkes - 31        LebVal - 24 (Wilkes looked pretty good last week and gained a lot of returning experience through last year's struggles)

Montclair State - 40     FDU - 20 (Just a wild guess. Rain will impact FDU passing game and best receiver in MAC)
Widener - Bye / @ FDU / Wilkes........before @ Lyco. The Pride will be very healthy after these three weeks and Lyco will be coming off of @ Misericordia so they should be as well)

Eagles - 23       Browns - 16 (Wentz: 16-23 / 188 yards / 1 TD / 1 INT / 1 Fumble)

I was also the first to call the NCAA DIII National Champion by choosing Mount Youngstown Union State, University of Wisconsin-ww, Linflield...............you guys can have the field!! ;)



Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 09, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
Week 2 Predictions:

Stevenson@Albright: Stevenson wins by 3
Montclair St.@FDU-Florham: Montclair St. wins by 17
Misercordia@Del Val: Del Val wins by 24
Kings@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 14
Wilkes@Leb Val: Leb Val wins close by 7

I believe Stevenson will clean up mistakes from last week and show improvement against a still good Albright team. FDU I believe lost their top receiver to Mount Union of I remember correctly mentioned on the preseason D3football podcast. Wilkes is an interesting team to watch against Leb Val to see if last weeks performance was a fluke or something to build on.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 09, 2016, 08:10:27 PM
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15 years ago on Sunday, the Lycoming Football Family lost one of our own at The WTC...Justin "Judd" Molisani Jr., was Senior Vice President for Euro Brokers and was only 42 years old at the time of our Nation's worst tragedy...At 6'3/300lbs, Judd was one of our biggest OT's but what was even bigger, was his heart...He always had a smile on his face and those who knew him would tell you he was "just a big teddy bear"...He would help you with anything when asked and would volunteer when not...Prayers for his wife Jodi & daughter and all those who died on this weekend of remembrance for the 9/11 2001 victims...Simba

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 09, 2016, 11:16:50 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 09, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
Week 2 Predictions:

Stevenson@Albright: Stevenson wins by 3
Montclair St.@FDU-Florham: Montclair St. wins by 17
Misercordia@Del Val: Del Val wins by 24
Kings@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 14
Wilkes@Leb Val: Leb Val wins close by 7

I believe Stevenson will clean up mistakes from last week and show improvement against a still good Albright team. FDU I believe lost their top receiver to Mount Union of I remember correctly mentioned on the preseason D3football podcast. Wilkes is an interesting team to watch against Leb Val to see if last weeks performance was a fluke or something to build on.

Say What ????????? Are you telling me that Mailk Pressley transferred to Mount Union? He was an accounting major. A debit is a debit and a credit is a credit at any college or university. It makes me appreciate DelVal's Rasheed Bailey even more. So much could be said here........but I will refrain!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2016, 12:50:06 AM
As reported in Kickoff, and in one of our offseason podcasts, yep.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2016, 12:50:06 AM
As reported in Kickoff, and in one of our offseason podcasts, yep.

Missed that item. WOW!!! The rich get richer!! :-X

Hell, even the NBA is doing it with superteams and Durant's soft (and easy) decision!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Div3Fan on September 10, 2016, 01:19:52 PM
What is going on with Albright...?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on September 10, 2016, 01:23:56 PM
Quote from: Div3Fan on September 10, 2016, 01:19:52 PM
What is going on with Albright...?

Dlip is quite surprised by the score as well...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 01:35:33 PM
Don't speak too soon...it is 31-26 after a late score. The kid quarterback they brought in has been good and Stevenson hasn't been prepared for it. An interception on the goal line and missed FG by Albright are difference right now. Stevenson went safe too soon.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Div3Fan on September 10, 2016, 01:42:29 PM
Albright did well towards the end, but a loss is still a loss.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 01:56:33 PM
I must apologize to the Wesley gang for poking fun at the brutal video and lack of synched audio for the DelVal vs. Wesley game last Friday night. You have been topped. Today's Stevenson @ Albright game set video and audio broadcasts back 25 years. At times, about one out of every ten words said by the announcer was audible (no cold, wind or rain to mess with the equipment) and the video kept dying at points throughout. I'm still waiting to find out what happened after the timeout that Stevenson took before Albright's two point conversion attempt towards the end of the game. It was as if the game ended right there at that point. With the money that Albright gives out to many of it's best football players (need based of course ;) ), that war chest would have to contain the money to bring a quality presentation to computers and mobile devices. Check out the replay of DelVal's game last night (it's archived) and look at the HDTV quality picture and the awesome, synched audio broadcast by one of the best, Gordon Mann. If DelVal can pull this off.......any MAC school (and NJAC school) has the resources to match if not exceed the presentation. Dave McHugh, can you contact the MAC A.D.'s / S.I.D.'s and lend your expertise (re: Stevenson's great broadcasts) to tell them what needs to be done in 2016? My 8th grade son was watching and offered his technical expertise, gratis!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 01:56:33 PM
I must apologize to the Wesley gang for poking fun at the brutal video and lack of synched audio for the DelVal vs. Wesley game last Friday night. You have been topped. Today's Stevenson @ Albright game set video and audio broadcasts back 25 years. At times, about one out of every ten words said by the announcer was audible (no cold, wind or rain to mess with the equipment) and the video kept dying at points throughout. I'm still waiting to find out what happened after the timeout that Stevenson took before Albright's two point conversion attempt towards the end of the game. It was as if the game ended right there at that point. With the money that Albright gives out to many of it's best football players (need based of course ;) ), that war chest would have to contain the money to bring a quality presentation to computers and mobile devices. Check out the replay of DelVal's game last night (it's archived) and look at the HDTV quality picture and the awesome, synched audio broadcast by one of the best, Gordon Mann. If DelVal can pull this off.......any MAC school (and NJAC school) has the resources to match if not exceed the presentation. Dave McHugh, can you contact the MAC A.D.'s / S.I.D.'s and lend your expertise (re: Stevenson's great broadcasts) to tell them what needs to be done in 2016? My 8th grade son was watching and offered his technical expertise, gratis!! ;)

Yeah I had to quit the feed too because of the audio and they were behind the live stats. Apparently Albright went for 2 of course but the run got stopped. An onside kick recovered by Stevenson and 2 hikes later and game over.

Albright's "3rd" string QB was very good from what I saw of the stats, and a bit of the feed until I stopped watching it; and Stevenson wasn't ready for the change of pace. I think they went safe too soon in the fourth even though they were up 31-13; they got lucky to get out with the win. That won't do it against the Del Val's, Widener's or even perhaps the Lyco's ( this is subject to change to put them up here until this week's game is over) of the conference. Lyco could pull a few surprises and you shouldn't overlook them but it was tight against Susquehanna until kind of late. Susquehanna isn't the "power" they used to be back in the 90's and earlier.

Can't wait til next week to watch the game at home vs Leb Valley. Hopefully Stevenson can keep correcting the mistakes ( at least today had 1 less INT) and improving onward. While the D can help; you don't want to leave it on their shoulders.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 03:11:50 PM
Kings 20- Lyco 16 at the half...

This is why I wasn't 100% sold on Lyco to move them up. I agree that they could surprise teams, and you can't overlook them; but their D is YOUNG and average or slightly above average offenses are "plowing" thru Lyco's secondary. King's QB has 262 yrds for the half. Lyco is relying on their offense to match the opponents point for point. A good defensive team will shut down the offense and turn it into a long day for Lyco ( basically the Stevenson game last year). Plenty of time for improvements and getting experience before year end; but Lyco will have to show me growth to convince me a chance to pick off the top of the conference ( unless it is a "fluky" kind of day for those top teams).

Also after going back to look...Lyco held on last week 27-24 vs Susquehanna; Susquehanna lost 41-7 vs Johns Hopkins today.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.

King's is either much better than most thought and/or Lycoming might be lucky to win one against Stevenson/DelVal/Albright. The do have a dynamic, returning QB/RB combination along with a few nice receivers and while young on defense, they are not much younger than many of the MAC teams (DelVal has two seniors on defense and one is the 340 pound nose tackle, nice guy, but replaceable).

By the looks of this game, I expect King's to give DelVal one hell of a battle next week at home. The QB is a veteran and they have a very good and experienced passing game.

I'll wait to hear Simba's thoughts on the Lyco game today.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 11, 2016, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.

King's is either much better than most thought and/or Lycoming might be lucky to win one against Stevenson/DelVal/Albright. The do have a dynamic, returning QB/RB combination along with a few nice receivers and while young on defense, they are not much younger than many of the MAC teams (DelVal has two seniors on defense and one is the 340 pound nose tackle, nice guy, but replaceable).

By the looks of this game, I expect King's to give DelVal one hell of a battle next week at home. The QB is a veteran and they have a very good and experienced passing game.

I'll wait to hear Simba's thoughts on the Lyco game today.

I think it was a combo of both..Lyco's secondary was like a sieve( from what I watched on the feed) and if they don't plug the gaps; then it can be a long day if they don't match score for score. King's gave Stevenson fits last year on their home field (13-7) but their QB threw 3 picks in that game. I think it was the cold and rainy weekend too; and neither team could get a rhythm in that game. Kings is going to be the wildcard this year I think.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2016, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 09, 2016, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24

I'm going to throw a curveball or two in here on my 2016 season predictions:

1. Stevenson (the key DelVal game is at home and getting better at the higher level transfer gig..........but not Rowan in the 90's ;) )
2. Albright (6 first place votes by MAC coaches and everybody back of significance from last year's MAC Champion)
3. DelVal (Stevenson on the road + the annual loss vs. a team that you shouldn't lose to.........at Wilkes in 2015)
4. Widener (excellent defense and solid running game)
5. Lycoming (may surprise with what they have at RB/QB and all they have back from last year)
6. King's (might be better than most think)
7. Wilkes (same as King's)
8. Leb Valley (too many decent teams in the MAC)
9. FDU (best receiver in the conference is the highlight)
10. Misericordia (they replaced a running QB........with a running QB........the long slog continues)

On another note, to those who don't think a 1st round draft pick, a 4th and the 2017 cap space now freed up to resign Bennie Logan was a criminal haul for an oft-injured QB who was gone after this season.........I want to sit next to you at the poker table and take all of your money! ;)

Week Two Predictions:
DelVal - 34        Misericordia - 13 (Moved the game from tomorrow's heat to tonight's monsoon........will effect scoring)
Albright - 31      Stevenson - 27 (My MAC Preseason favorite is at home and returns too much on offense. Victory in last two minutes)
Lycoming - 33    King's - 20 (I expect Lyco to make noise this year with a great running game, defense, a ton back from last year and a great recruiting class)
Wilkes - 31        LebVal - 24 (Wilkes looked pretty good last week and gained a lot of returning experience through last year's struggles)

Montclair State - 40     FDU - 20 (Just a wild guess. Rain will impact FDU passing game and best receiver in MAC)
Widener - Bye / @ FDU / Wilkes........before @ Lyco. The Pride will be very healthy after these three weeks and Lyco will be coming off of @ Misericordia so they should be as well)

Eagles - 23       Browns - 16 (Wentz: 16-23 / 188 yards / 1 TD / 1 INT / 1 Fumble)

I was also the first to call the NCAA DIII National Champion by choosing Mount Youngstown Union State, University of Wisconsin-ww, Linflield...............you guys can have the field!! ;)

Man, is this board quiet. When bman has a bye week and Lycosimba reports squatta on the Lyco vs. King's game..............and more teams have zero posters than those who do, that's what you get. I got the DelVal and Montclair games right. I missed on Albright, Lycoming and Wilkes. Bad week. Although, all was fine after watching Carson Wentz as a rookie with very little preseason experience. I can't wait until he gets a few NFL caliber offensive weapons to go along with that defense!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.

King's is either much better than most thought and/or Lycoming might be lucky to win one against Stevenson/DelVal/Albright. The do have a dynamic, returning QB/RB combination along with a few nice receivers and while young on defense, they are not much younger than many of the MAC teams (DelVal has two seniors on defense and one is the 340 pound nose tackle, nice guy, but replaceable).

By the looks of this game, I expect King's to give DelVal one hell of a battle next week at home. The QB is a veteran and they have a very good and experienced passing game.

I'll wait to hear Simba's thoughts on the Lyco game today.

Week Two Predictions (without Lycosimba's analysis of the Lyco vs. King's game):

Widener - 43        FDU - 16 (Widener's QB will be slinging the ball all over Madison, NJ and their defense is very stout)
Wilkes - 34          Misericordia - 10 (It's going to be another long year for Miserables)
Stevenson - 37    LebVal - 20 (As stated above, winning at Albright puts Stevenson on the inside track to the MAC championship given the DelVal game is at home)
Albright - 38        Lycoming - 24 (As crazy as it sounds this early on, the preseason favorite.......6 of 9 first place votes of the non-Albright head coaches poll.......could be sunk with a loss)
DelVal - 28          King's - 27 (King's QB might turn out to be the conference MVP and their LB might be the best as well. Nailbiter until the very end. Always a tough game at the wind vortex)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 16, 2016, 10:12:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.

King's is either much better than most thought and/or Lycoming might be lucky to win one against Stevenson/DelVal/Albright. The do have a dynamic, returning QB/RB combination along with a few nice receivers and while young on defense, they are not much younger than many of the MAC teams (DelVal has two seniors on defense and one is the 340 pound nose tackle, nice guy, but replaceable).

By the looks of this game, I expect King's to give DelVal one hell of a battle next week at home. The QB is a veteran and they have a very good and experienced passing game.

I'll wait to hear Simba's thoughts on the Lyco game today.

Week Two Predictions (without Lycosimba's analysis of the Lyco vs. King's game):

Widener - 43        FDU - 16 (Widener's QB will be slinging the ball all over Madison, NJ and their defense is very stout)
Wilkes - 34          Misericordia - 10 (It's going to be another long year for Miserables)
Stevenson - 37    LebVal - 20 (As stated above, winning at Albright puts Stevenson on the inside track to the MAC championship given the DelVal game is at home)
Albright - 38        Lycoming - 24 (As crazy as it sounds this early on, the preseason favorite.......6 of 9 first place votes of the non-Albright head coaches poll.......could be sunk with a loss)
DelVal - 28          King's - 27 (King's QB might turn out to be the conference MVP and their LB might be the best as well. Nailbiter until the very end. Always a tough game at the wind vortex)

Since I'm late to the party with the Widener game...I'll leave it out tho I would have had them by 35+ and FDU only getting the 1 score or 10 points.

Stevenson vs Leb Val- I agree about the range of the difference you have or it could be a touch larger (35-17 or 35-21 range is my thinking) Stevenson needs to clean up the sloppy stuff on their side and watch the penalties. Against better teams this will come back and bite them.

Albright vs Lyco - Long day for the Lyco secondary....If Albright is smart and passes well with little to no mistakes then I could see this a 21+ win for Albright. Albright gets sloppy and they'll keep Lyco in it with potential to sink Albright in the conference. I think it will be closer to the first than the second. Albright will win by 17-24 point range (31-14 or 35-17 range for score)

Del Val vs Kings - Kings other than Widener will be the "wild card" to the conference this year. I agree it will be a close game and a FG late by Del Val will be the difference. (31-28 or 27-24 or 24-21 type score)

We (hubby and I) will be at the Stevenson game tomorrow...gotta watch the gal in the band ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2016, 07:00:00 AM
Quote from: wone3 on September 16, 2016, 10:12:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.

King's is either much better than most thought and/or Lycoming might be lucky to win one against Stevenson/DelVal/Albright. The do have a dynamic, returning QB/RB combination along with a few nice receivers and while young on defense, they are not much younger than many of the MAC teams (DelVal has two seniors on defense and one is the 340 pound nose tackle, nice guy, but replaceable).

By the looks of this game, I expect King's to give DelVal one hell of a battle next week at home. The QB is a veteran and they have a very good and experienced passing game.

I'll wait to hear Simba's thoughts on the Lyco game today.

Week Two Predictions (without Lycosimba's analysis of the Lyco vs. King's game):

Widener - 43        FDU - 16 (Widener's QB will be slinging the ball all over Madison, NJ and their defense is very stout)
Wilkes - 34          Misericordia - 10 (It's going to be another long year for Miserables)
Stevenson - 37    LebVal - 20 (As stated above, winning at Albright puts Stevenson on the inside track to the MAC championship given the DelVal game is at home)
Albright - 38        Lycoming - 24 (As crazy as it sounds this early on, the preseason favorite.......6 of 9 first place votes of the non-Albright head coaches poll.......could be sunk with a loss)
DelVal - 28          King's - 27 (King's QB might turn out to be the conference MVP and their LB might be the best as well. Nailbiter until the very end. Always a tough game at the wind vortex)

Since I'm late to the party with the Widener game...I'll leave it out tho I would have had them by 35+ and FDU only getting the 1 score or 10 points.

Stevenson vs Leb Val- I agree about the range of the difference you have or it could be a touch larger (35-17 or 35-21 range is my thinking) Stevenson needs to clean up the sloppy stuff on their side and watch the penalties. Against better teams this will come back and bite them.

Albright vs Lyco - Long day for the Lyco secondary....If Albright is smart and passes well with little to no mistakes then I could see this a 21+ win for Albright. Albright gets sloppy and they'll keep Lyco in it with potential to sink Albright in the conference. I think it will be closer to the first than the second. Albright will win by 17-24 point range (31-14 or 35-17 range for score)

Del Val vs Kings - Kings other than Widener will be the "wild card" to the conference this year. I agree it will be a close game and a FG late by Del Val will be the difference. (31-28 or 27-24 or 24-21 type score)

We (hubby and I) will be at the Stevenson game tomorrow...gotta watch the gal in the band ;)

Have fun at the game...........and I am issuing an APB (All Points Bulletin for the one or two younger people on the board) for bman and Lycosimba. I don't want the board to die as they are the only Widener and Lyco regulars left. Heck, other than Kate (and I count Gordon), I'm the DelVal regular.........and I'm adopted. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 17, 2016, 10:48:48 AM
Last week the Warriors were plagued with inconsistency:

They LEFT 5 POINTS ON THE FIELD missing an easy field goal and two extra points...
Two 10 play drives ended on 4th down with TWO MISSED BLOCKING ASSIGNMENTS...
There were TWENTY MISSED ASSIGNMENTS on offense...
The offense had EIGHT DROPPED PASSES...
SIX PENALTIES on the offense...
THREE SACKS...

Need I say more why we lost to Kings?..

Ok, Today the slate is clean as we travel to my relative's Lair in Reading, The Lions of Albright...It's The Pretzel Bowl Game...Very cool and exciting environment as it benefits the local Masons and all they do for kid's charity work....I played in one back in '76 and will never forget it (2 rings instead of 3)...We blew a 10 point lead and lost to go 1-1 at that point in the season...We ran the table the rest of the season going 8-1 but unfortunately, so did Albright as they took the MAC North Crown...

The Lions are playing with a chip on their shoulder after dropping their first two after having the proverbial bullseye put on their back in pre-season rankings...It won't be easy but if we eliminate or even limit our mistakes, the Warriors can pull this out today with a "W"...Simba the Lion
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 17, 2016, 12:42:06 PM
I forgot there was a Friday night game this week, but I would have rolled with Widener by 24 points. Anyways here are my predictions for week 3:

Misericordia@Wilkes: Wilkes wins by 10
Leb. Val@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 17
Lycoming@Albright: Albright win by 14
Del. Val@Kings: Del. Val wins by 10

Good win for Stevenson last week against a very good Albright team. After last week, the schedule sets up nicely for Stevenson to go into Homecoming with a huge game against a very good Del. Val team. Still have to get through Leb. Val today, then Widener in October; can't overlook any other games by looking ahead. My hope is going forward today and these next several weeks, Stevenson cleans up some mistakes; continue to develop the QB position by eliminating turnovers; develop another RB to complement the starter; and defensively find someone who can get some sacks on the opponent. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 17, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
Well, guess what?...We couldn't eliminate mistakes again; hence, we lost, again!...You know right away what kind of day it's going to be when you march down field on your initial series to the two yard line and then turn it over!...After only three games played this season, the Warriors have again been relagated to a "Spoiler" role this season!...Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2016, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: Simba on September 17, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
Well, guess what?...We couldn't eliminate mistakes again; hence, we lost, again!...You know right away what kind of day it's going to be when you march down field on your initial series to the two yard line and then turn it over!...After only three games played this season, the Warriors have again been relagated to a "Spoiler" role this season!...Simba

Damn!! I did not see that coming at all. When you hold anybody to 17 points, you typically win the game. I was worried about DelVal having to go up to King's today after I saw the King's score at Lycoming last week. But 42-0 at halftime and 49-0 after the first series in the 3rd quarter and the 2nd and 3rd teamers played out the string. The King's QB looked like a world beater against Lyco but could do nothing against DelVal. Albright stays alive with today's win over Lyco and the preseason favorite of 6 of the 9 (can't vote for your own team) head coaches visits Doylestown next Saturday.

I'm looking forward to Lyco visiting DelVal after the Aggies snatched a loss from the jaws of victory last year up at Williamsport.

Lyco is far from dead at this point. They have the lesser teams on the road (Miserables, FDU and Wilkes), Widener and Stevenson, as well as LebVal are all at home.........so the schedule really breaks well in their favor. The wildcard is the November 5 game at DelVal. Stranger things have happened!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2016, 09:57:02 PM
Pat Coleman's 'Top 25 Team Most Likely To Get Upset' (DelVal Aggies) were up 42-0 at halftime, on the road, and 49-0 after the first series in the 3rd quarter. Me thinks the preseason Top 25 had Wesley and DelVal inverted ;)

Don't worry, you will have a few more chances to pick them although next week wouldn't be an upset (as Albright was the Mac Champ selection of 6 of the head coaches), at Stevenson certainly would not be as they might be in the high teens by that game, and the last game at Widener wouldn't be if the Pride are undefeated or have only one conference loss. That would leave, in terms of real upsets........at LebVal and home games against Wilkes, FDU and Lycoming.

Pick your poison.........and tell me who you like in the Eagles vs. Bears game on Monday night. It would give me some direction! :)

Just kidding........you know that I love you (but the Aggies did love the fodder you provided.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 17, 2016, 11:52:54 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2016, 07:00:00 AM
Quote from: wone3 on September 16, 2016, 10:12:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.

King's is either much better than most thought and/or Lycoming might be lucky to win one against Stevenson/DelVal/Albright. The do have a dynamic, returning QB/RB combination along with a few nice receivers and while young on defense, they are not much younger than many of the MAC teams (DelVal has two seniors on defense and one is the 340 pound nose tackle, nice guy, but replaceable).

By the looks of this game, I expect King's to give DelVal one hell of a battle next week at home. The QB is a veteran and they have a very good and experienced passing game.

I'll wait to hear Simba's thoughts on the Lyco game today.

Week Two Predictions (without Lycosimba's analysis of the Lyco vs. King's game):

Widener - 43        FDU - 16 (Widener's QB will be slinging the ball all over Madison, NJ and their defense is very stout)
Wilkes - 34          Misericordia - 10 (It's going to be another long year for Miserables)
Stevenson - 37    LebVal - 20 (As stated above, winning at Albright puts Stevenson on the inside track to the MAC championship given the DelVal game is at home)
Albright - 38        Lycoming - 24 (As crazy as it sounds this early on, the preseason favorite.......6 of 9 first place votes of the non-Albright head coaches poll.......could be sunk with a loss)
DelVal - 28          King's - 27 (King's QB might turn out to be the conference MVP and their LB might be the best as well. Nailbiter until the very end. Always a tough game at the wind vortex)

Since I'm late to the party with the Widener game...I'll leave it out tho I would have had them by 35+ and FDU only getting the 1 score or 10 points.

Stevenson vs Leb Val- I agree about the range of the difference you have or it could be a touch larger (35-17 or 35-21 range is my thinking) Stevenson needs to clean up the sloppy stuff on their side and watch the penalties. Against better teams this will come back and bite them.

Albright vs Lyco - Long day for the Lyco secondary....If Albright is smart and passes well with little to no mistakes then I could see this a 21+ win for Albright. Albright gets sloppy and they'll keep Lyco in it with potential to sink Albright in the conference. I think it will be closer to the first than the second. Albright will win by 17-24 point range (31-14 or 35-17 range for score)

Del Val vs Kings - Kings other than Widener will be the "wild card" to the conference this year. I agree it will be a close game and a FG late by Del Val will be the difference. (31-28 or 27-24 or 24-21 type score)

We (hubby and I) will be at the Stevenson game tomorrow...gotta watch the gal in the band ;)

Have fun at the game...........and I am issuing an APB (All Points Bulletin for the one or two younger people on the board) for bman and Lycosimba. I don't want the board to die as they are the only Widener and Lyco regulars left. Heck, other than Kate (and I count Gordon), I'm the DelVal regular.........and I'm adopted. :)

Was a nice day and game...need to learn to stop a running QB tho it seems. Stevenson was no prepared or just couldn't stop Leb Val's QB from his bring it down and run plan today. Otherwise it was nice. The mass band day was great from the parent stand point ( maybe not from the college band kid point with their just dropping and leaving things.)

Also should note I'm a Lyco '92 Alum so know a bit of stuff but lost track after late 90's with the kid. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 18, 2016, 12:11:03 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2016, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: Simba on September 17, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
Well, guess what?...We couldn't eliminate mistakes again; hence, we lost, again!...You know right away what kind of day it's going to be when you march down field on your initial series to the two yard line and then turn it over!...After only three games played this season, the Warriors have again been relagated to a "Spoiler" role this season!...Simba

Damn!! I did not see that coming at all. When you hold anybody to 17 points, you typically win the game. I was worried about DelVal having to go up to King's today after I saw the King's score at Lycoming last week. But 42-0 at halftime and 49-0 after the first series in the 3rd quarter and the 2nd and 3rd teamers played out the string. The King's QB looked like a world beater against Lyco but could do nothing against DelVal. Albright stays alive with today's win over Lyco and the preseason favorite of 6 of the 9 (can't vote for your own team) head coaches visits Doylestown next Saturday.

I'm looking forward to Lyco visiting DelVal after the Aggies snatched a loss from the jaws of victory last year up at Williamsport.

Lyco is far from dead at this point. They have the lesser teams on the road (Miserables, FDU and Wilkes), Widener and Stevenson, as well as LebVal are all at home.........so the schedule really breaks well in their favor. The wildcard is the November 5 game at DelVal. Stranger things have happened!!

Turnovers can be killers especially if you don't have a D that can turn it back around. I said it looked like the Lyco secondary and maybe LB's were a bit of a pourous D from what I've saw against King's (age/young might be a bit of it who knows??). They need to figure something out tho. Not sure how much today was pass vs run for Albright and if Albright maybe stalled themselves out on drives etc. Albright seemed pretty balanced once they got down to the 3rd QB against Stevenson ( who seemed to be hot and kind of brought the game back a bit for them, they'd just given up too much back after being up 13 early.

There is still plenty to play but it may rely on help from other teams.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2016, 01:41:10 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2016, 09:57:02 PM
Pat Coleman's 'Top 25 Team Most Likely To Get Upset' (DelVal Aggies) were up 42-0 at halftime, on the road, and 49-0 after the first series in the 3rd quarter. Me thinks the preseason Top 25 had Wesley and DelVal inverted ;)

Don't worry, you will have a few more chances to pick them although next week wouldn't be an upset (as Albright was the Mac Champ selection of 6 of the head coaches), at Stevenson certainly would not be as they might be in the high teens by that game, and the last game at Widener wouldn't be if the Pride are undefeated or have only one conference loss. That would leave, in terms of real upsets........at LebVal and home games against Wilkes, FDU and Lycoming.

Pick your poison.........and tell me who you like in the Eagles vs. Bears game on Monday night. It would give me some direction! :)

Just kidding........you know that I love you (but the Aggies did love the fodder you provided.

I ate my crow on Twitter earlier, but thanks for the reminder. Feel free to pick against a Top 25 team yourself -- it ain't easy!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Joe Vasile on September 18, 2016, 02:28:39 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 18, 2016, 12:11:03 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2016, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: Simba on September 17, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
Well, guess what?...We couldn't eliminate mistakes again; hence, we lost, again!...You know right away what kind of day it's going to be when you march down field on your initial series to the two yard line and then turn it over!...After only three games played this season, the Warriors have again been relagated to a "Spoiler" role this season!...Simba

Damn!! I did not see that coming at all. When you hold anybody to 17 points, you typically win the game. I was worried about DelVal having to go up to King's today after I saw the King's score at Lycoming last week. But 42-0 at halftime and 49-0 after the first series in the 3rd quarter and the 2nd and 3rd teamers played out the string. The King's QB looked like a world beater against Lyco but could do nothing against DelVal. Albright stays alive with today's win over Lyco and the preseason favorite of 6 of the 9 (can't vote for your own team) head coaches visits Doylestown next Saturday.

I'm looking forward to Lyco visiting DelVal after the Aggies snatched a loss from the jaws of victory last year up at Williamsport.

Lyco is far from dead at this point. They have the lesser teams on the road (Miserables, FDU and Wilkes), Widener and Stevenson, as well as LebVal are all at home.........so the schedule really breaks well in their favor. The wildcard is the November 5 game at DelVal. Stranger things have happened!!

Turnovers can be killers especially if you don't have a D that can turn it back around. I said it looked like the Lyco secondary and maybe LB's were a bit of a pourous D from what I've saw against King's (age/young might be a bit of it who knows??). They need to figure something out tho. Not sure how much today was pass vs run for Albright and if Albright maybe stalled themselves out on drives etc. Albright seemed pretty balanced once they got down to the 3rd QB against Stevenson ( who seemed to be hot and kind of brought the game back a bit for them, they'd just given up too much back after being up 13 early.

There is still plenty to play but it may rely on help from other teams.

Albright didn't help themselves out at all with 10 penalties for 109 yards. That included 3 personal fouls, and their pretty talented DT David Sanchez was ejected for targeting in the second half. They were also playing with their second-string QB after Mike Knight was scratched late before the game. The first two Lions turnovers came on drives where they had been moving the ball - one on a 4th down play from the Lyco 7, the other was an INT in Lyco territory. Lyco's defense was inconsistent - at times allowing big plays when the secondary would get torched, then forcing Albright to go 3&out on two straight drives.

Offensively, the Lions defensive line won the battle in the trenches - Bowman had little room to operate and Whiteman was under pressure almost every time he dropped back. Things got a little better in this regard after Sanchez was ejected, but it was too little, too late.  There were a few drives that stalled out in Albright territory, and they missed a FG in the second half. There were positives to take out of the game for Lyco for sure, but the lack of consistency and finishing ability killed any chance of a Pretzel Bowl upset.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Simba on September 18, 2016, 09:54:36 PM
296 total yards offense and only 3 points for the Warriors!...5 times they drove inside Albright's 30, including the first one to the one yard line where a fumble went out of the end zone...Another of the 5 drives went to the seven yard line which ended up being the only points of the game, a field goal...Hopefully the Warriors will finish their drives with points next week and pick up a MAC win at Miserablecordia!...Simba
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 22, 2016, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.

King's is either much better than most thought and/or Lycoming might be lucky to win one against Stevenson/DelVal/Albright. The do have a dynamic, returning QB/RB combination along with a few nice receivers and while young on defense, they are not much younger than many of the MAC teams (DelVal has two seniors on defense and one is the 340 pound nose tackle, nice guy, but replaceable).

By the looks of this game, I expect King's to give DelVal one hell of a battle next week at home. The QB is a veteran and they have a very good and experienced passing game.

I'll wait to hear Simba's thoughts on the Lyco game today.

Week Two Predictions (without Lycosimba's analysis of the Lyco vs. King's game):

Widener - 43        FDU - 16 (Widener's QB will be slinging the ball all over Madison, NJ and their defense is very stout)
Wilkes - 34          Misericordia - 10 (It's going to be another long year for Miserables)
Stevenson - 37    LebVal - 20 (As stated above, winning at Albright puts Stevenson on the inside track to the MAC championship given the DelVal game is at home)
Albright - 38        Lycoming - 24 (As crazy as it sounds this early on, the preseason favorite.......6 of 9 first place votes of the non-Albright head coaches poll.......could be sunk with a loss)
DelVal - 28          King's - 27 (King's QB might turn out to be the conference MVP and their LB might be the best as well. Nailbiter until the very end. Always a tough game at the wind vortex)

5-0 last week.........although just a tad bit askew with a couple of the scores (i.e. DelVal by one point........up 49 after the first possession of the 3rd quarter)

Week Three Predictions:

King's - 26        LebVal - 20 (King's is at home and wants to get the taste of last week's home pasting by DelVal out of their mouths ASAP)
Lycoming - 41   Misericordia - 9 (Lyco's soft stretch starts here followed by home game, @ FDU, bye, home, @ Wilkes before ending the season with DelVal & Stevenson. Still a shot if they run the table)
Widener - 37     Wilkes - 16 (Widener's defense is too much for Wilkes and the offense has a good run/pass balance. They will make noise in the MAC)
Stevenson - 43  FDU - 14 (As stated at the top of the thread, the MAC favorite at this point, given the DelVal game at home, beats up on FDU......who's best player is now at Mount Union.......fancy that :) )
Albright - 26      DelVal - 24 (The team picked by 6 MAC Head Coaches in the preseason poll beats the team picked by 4 MAC Head Coaches. Decided in last two minutes)

Oh and yes, Carson Wentz is a stud..........but will come a bit back to earth with what the Steelers are going to throw at him. The future looks bright with Wentz at QB!!

Board...........wake up!! There is more action up on the Buffy, Biffy and Tiffy boards from the New England Conferences! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 22, 2016, 08:07:44 PM
OK..my week 3 picks....

First tho, mass band day last week was fun to watch even with a semi-decent game. We ( hubby, myself and my mom at least) will be at the Stevenson game to watch the kid perform in the band and the 1/2time  show that we only saw a small part of during preview about a month ago.

King's - 28        LebVal - 21  I agreed with comment above..need to kill the sour taste and if King's mixes it up well this could be a larger spread. King's needs to stop the run and watch the QB who can bring it down and run ( that was their main offense last week against Stevenson and it seemed like Stevenson didn't make the adjustment at all. Timely turnovers helped Stevenson seal the deal last week.

Lycoming - 45   Misericordia - 7  This is a nice break for Lyco and hopefully they gain some experience and work out kinks and things in the secondary especially.

Widener - 41     Wilkes - 21  Widener has too much for Wilkes this year and most every year. Keep the balance and keep on playing

Stevenson - 48  FDU - 14  Again a nice and should be soft game for Stevenson and the start of a short relaxed break until 10/15 with a game at  Misercordia next week and break the following week; until they hit the tough portion of the schedule..Widener,Del Val,( especially) but can't overlook these last 3 -  Kings , Wilkes and Lyco

Albright - 24      DelVal - 27  I agree this will be a last minute finish and I'm still not 100% sold on Albright and Del Val wants the conference fight for the bid on Stevenson's homcoming/family weekend game
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 23, 2016, 11:24:30 PM
After 3 weeks of games, I think it is acceptable to start putting out a conference ranking. Here are my rankings heading into week 4:

MAC RANKINGS

1. Del Val
2. Stevenson
3. Albright
4. Widener
5. Leb Val
6. Kings
7. Lycoming
8. Wilkes
9. FDU
10. Misericordia

Below is my predictions for this upcoming week of games. The Albright vs. Del Val game will give the conference a good measuring stick to clear up the conference rankings.

Week 4 Predictions

Lycoming@Misericordia: Lycoming wins by 17 points

Leb Val@Kings: Leb Val wins by 3 points

FDU@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 37 points

Albright@Del Val: Del Val wins by 10 points

Wilkes@Widener: Widener wins by 21 points

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 24, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
Tough, tough loss for Del Val and kudos to Albright and their quarterback!  Win out please Aggies!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24

I'm going to throw a curveball or two in here on my 2016 season predictions:

1. Stevenson (the key DelVal game is at home and getting better at the higher level transfer gig..........but not Rowan in the 90's ;) )
2. Albright (6 first place votes by MAC coaches and everybody back of significance from last year's MAC Champion)
3. DelVal (Stevenson on the road + the annual loss vs. a team that you shouldn't lose to.........at Wilkes in 2015)
4. Widener (excellent defense and solid running game)
5. Lycoming (may surprise with what they have at RB/QB and all they have back from last year)
6. King's (might be better than most think)
7. Wilkes (same as King's)
8. Leb Valley (too many decent teams in the MAC)
9. FDU (best receiver in the conference is the highlight)
10. Misericordia (they replaced a running QB........with a running QB........the long slog continues)

On another note, to those who don't think a 1st round draft pick, a 4th and the 2017 cap space now freed up to resign Bennie Logan was a criminal haul for an oft-injured QB who was gone after this season.........I want to sit next to you at the poker table and take all of your money! ;)

I'm not one to toot my own "predicting horn" (although bman has done so for me over the years...........I do quite well with the NFL as well ;) ) but in my September 4 post above, I've got Stevenson, Albright and DelVal, followed by Widener........and it is playing out just like I thought. Stevenson now has an even clearer path with the DelVal game at home and Albright out of the way.

Sometimes you just have to say, "damn, I'm good"........or, "damn, I'm lucky" :)

Stevenson runs the table as does Albright. DelVal loses at Stevenson and at Widener. Stevenson is the only MAC school in the playoffs and gets a #4 seed in the East. Book it!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2016, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 22, 2016, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.

King's is either much better than most thought and/or Lycoming might be lucky to win one against Stevenson/DelVal/Albright. The do have a dynamic, returning QB/RB combination along with a few nice receivers and while young on defense, they are not much younger than many of the MAC teams (DelVal has two seniors on defense and one is the 340 pound nose tackle, nice guy, but replaceable).

By the looks of this game, I expect King's to give DelVal one hell of a battle next week at home. The QB is a veteran and they have a very good and experienced passing game.

I'll wait to hear Simba's thoughts on the Lyco game today.

Week Two Predictions (without Lycosimba's analysis of the Lyco vs. King's game):

Widener - 43        FDU - 16 (Widener's QB will be slinging the ball all over Madison, NJ and their defense is very stout)
Wilkes - 34          Misericordia - 10 (It's going to be another long year for Miserables)
Stevenson - 37    LebVal - 20 (As stated above, winning at Albright puts Stevenson on the inside track to the MAC championship given the DelVal game is at home)
Albright - 38        Lycoming - 24 (As crazy as it sounds this early on, the preseason favorite.......6 of 9 first place votes of the non-Albright head coaches poll.......could be sunk with a loss)
DelVal - 28          King's - 27 (King's QB might turn out to be the conference MVP and their LB might be the best as well. Nailbiter until the very end. Always a tough game at the wind vortex)

5-0 last week.........although just a tad bit askew with a couple of the scores (i.e. DelVal by one point........up 49 after the first possession of the 3rd quarter)

Week Three Predictions:

King's - 26        LebVal - 20 (King's is at home and wants to get the taste of last week's home pasting by DelVal out of their mouths ASAP)
Lycoming - 41   Misericordia - 9 (Lyco's soft stretch starts here followed by home game, @ FDU, bye, home, @ Wilkes before ending the season with DelVal & Stevenson. Still a shot if they run the table)
Widener - 37     Wilkes - 16 (Widener's defense is too much for Wilkes and the offense has a good run/pass balance. They will make noise in the MAC)
Stevenson - 43  FDU - 14 (As stated at the top of the thread, the MAC favorite at this point, given the DelVal game at home, beats up on FDU......who's best player is now at Mount Union.......fancy that :) )
Albright - 26      DelVal - 24 (The team picked by 6 MAC Head Coaches in the preseason poll beats the team picked by 4 MAC Head Coaches. Decided in last two minutes)

Oh and yes, Carson Wentz is a stud..........but will come a bit back to earth with what the Steelers are going to throw at him. The future looks bright with Wentz at QB!!

Board...........wake up!! There is more action up on the Buffy, Biffy and Tiffy boards from the New England Conferences! ;)

I was not at the game, but I hope you took my advice with the bookies who take DIII action (kidding.........sort of ;) ) as I called for an Albright two point victory decided in the last two minutes.

I would like to apologize for not nailing it even more precisely as it was a three point Albright victory in the final 15 seconds.

Other than the surprising closeness of the Lyco vs. Miserables and Widener vs. Wilkes games, I was just about spot on.

I am keeping tonight's lottery winning number and tomorrow's Eagles vs. Steelers score to myself........as I pat myself on the back just a bit more ;)

No more Stevenson losses.
No more Albright losses.
Two more DelVal losses (Stevenson and Widener).
Stevenson as the only MAC team in the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2016, 12:01:16 PM
First respondent gets a prize. Second respondent gets half a prize. Let's see if we can find the missing and/or wake up the dead. This was never the busiest board but when I go back to the beginning of the site and see the names of the dearly departed (from the board.......not the planet ;) ) I realize the difference between DI and DII/DIII fandom. DII/DIII has a handful or handfuls of diehards, but most non-diehards slowly fade once they graduate (just look at the number of ex-players on the sidelines 10, 20, 30 years after graduation compared to what you see on many DI sidelines) or when their kids graduate. Tons of DI fans are regulars at games each week, especially homecoming, until they die or are too old to get around that way. I've never, never, never understood it. I know so many graduates of DII/DIII programs who have never been or are no longer involved at Homecoming weekends. I know so many DI grads who never miss it and make plans for the next year as soon as the dates are set. My Swarthmore homecomings are like wakes. My buddies at Penn State.......they are up there for three or four days. I don't why grads of the smaller schools aren't as passionate about their schools as grads are from bigger schools. It's one of my mysteries of life!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 26, 2016, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2016, 12:01:16 PM
First respondent gets a prize. Second respondent gets half a prize. Let's see if we can find the missing and/or wake up the dead. This was never the busiest board but when I go back to the beginning of the site and see the names of the dearly departed (from the board.......not the planet ;) ) I realize the difference between DI and DII/DIII fandom. DII/DIII has a handful or handfuls of diehards, but most non-diehards slowly fade once they graduate (just look at the number of ex-players on the sidelines 10, 20, 30 years after graduation compared to what you see on many DI sidelines) or when their kids graduate. Tons of DI fans are regulars at games each week, especially homecoming, until they die or are too old to get around that way. I've never, never, never understood it. I know so many graduates of DII/DIII programs who have never been or are no longer involved at Homecoming weekends. I know so many DI grads who never miss it and make plans for the next year as soon as the dates are set. My Swarthmore homecomings are like wakes. My buddies at Penn State.......they are up there for three or four days. I don't why grads of the smaller schools aren't as passionate about their schools as grads are from bigger schools. It's one of my mysteries of life!!!!

I think its most likely due to T.V. exposure. People generally gravitate to what everyone else is talking about, which is the T.V. They talk about the same ole' teams. That's why smaller programs have harder times getting recruits and DII/DIII have hard time getting the exposure, because most of the student body grew up watching the big schools and accepting them as their own.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 27, 2016, 05:50:05 PM
I agree in the out of sight-out of mind mentality. I want to make it up next year for my 25 at Lyco but it will depend on my kiddo's schedule ( the Football schedule). You don't see it on TV and you see the "big boys" all day from noon to midnight on Saturday and other nights as well. I think also with the small school that you had your circle of friends and you kept touch and do things year round which makes homecoming less needed. The bigger schools with a wider circle may make homecoming as the only chance to come together as a group.

Hope you get the thought ideas here...I might not have been as clear as I should be.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 28, 2016, 08:19:46 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2016, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 22, 2016, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.

King's is either much better than most thought and/or Lycoming might be lucky to win one against Stevenson/DelVal/Albright. The do have a dynamic, returning QB/RB combination along with a few nice receivers and while young on defense, they are not much younger than many of the MAC teams (DelVal has two seniors on defense and one is the 340 pound nose tackle, nice guy, but replaceable).

By the looks of this game, I expect King's to give DelVal one hell of a battle next week at home. The QB is a veteran and they have a very good and experienced passing game.

I'll wait to hear Simba's thoughts on the Lyco game today.

Week Two Predictions (without Lycosimba's analysis of the Lyco vs. King's game):

Widener - 43        FDU - 16 (Widener's QB will be slinging the ball all over Madison, NJ and their defense is very stout)
Wilkes - 34          Misericordia - 10 (It's going to be another long year for Miserables)
Stevenson - 37    LebVal - 20 (As stated above, winning at Albright puts Stevenson on the inside track to the MAC championship given the DelVal game is at home)
Albright - 38        Lycoming - 24 (As crazy as it sounds this early on, the preseason favorite.......6 of 9 first place votes of the non-Albright head coaches poll.......could be sunk with a loss)
DelVal - 28          King's - 27 (King's QB might turn out to be the conference MVP and their LB might be the best as well. Nailbiter until the very end. Always a tough game at the wind vortex)

5-0 last week.........although just a tad bit askew with a couple of the scores (i.e. DelVal by one point........up 49 after the first possession of the 3rd quarter)

Week Three Predictions:

King's - 26        LebVal - 20 (King's is at home and wants to get the taste of last week's home pasting by DelVal out of their mouths ASAP)
Lycoming - 41   Misericordia - 9 (Lyco's soft stretch starts here followed by home game, @ FDU, bye, home, @ Wilkes before ending the season with DelVal & Stevenson. Still a shot if they run the table)
Widener - 37     Wilkes - 16 (Widener's defense is too much for Wilkes and the offense has a good run/pass balance. They will make noise in the MAC)
Stevenson - 43  FDU - 14 (As stated at the top of the thread, the MAC favorite at this point, given the DelVal game at home, beats up on FDU......who's best player is now at Mount Union.......fancy that :) )
Albright - 26      DelVal - 24 (The team picked by 6 MAC Head Coaches in the preseason poll beats the team picked by 4 MAC Head Coaches. Decided in last two minutes)

Oh and yes, Carson Wentz is a stud..........but will come a bit back to earth with what the Steelers are going to throw at him. The future looks bright with Wentz at QB!!

Board...........wake up!! There is more action up on the Buffy, Biffy and Tiffy boards from the New England Conferences! ;)

I was not at the game, but I hope you took my advice with the bookies who take DIII action (kidding.........sort of ;) ) as I called for an Albright two point victory decided in the last two minutes.

I would like to apologize for not nailing it even more precisely as it was a three point Albright victory in the final 15 seconds.


Other than the surprising closeness of the Lyco vs. Miserables and Widener vs. Wilkes games, I was just about spot on.

I am keeping tonight's lottery winning number and tomorrow's Eagles vs. Steelers score to myself........as I pat myself on the back just a bit more ;)

No more Stevenson losses.
No more Albright losses.
Two more DelVal losses (Stevenson and Widener).
Stevenson as the only MAC team in the playoffs.

I believe the correct reponse is : "I believe, I had that."
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 28, 2016, 12:10:02 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on September 28, 2016, 08:19:46 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2016, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 22, 2016, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
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Quote from: wone3 on September 10, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 10, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
MAC observations after the Stevenson @ Albright game:

(1) Stevenson is in the drivers seat and it's their conference to lose with playing DelVal at home. They play LebVal and FDU at home, followed by a game at Misericordia, a critical bye before heading to Widener, before hosting DelVal. Beat Widener (which I expect, in a close game) and Stevenson is undefeated going into the DelVal game.........with a season ending game at Lycoming standing in the way of a 10-0 record.

(2) Albright will be playing for their lives next week in a home game vs. Lycoming

(3) If Albright beats Lycoming, they will be playing for one last shot at the MAC in two weeks as a loss to DelVal would drop them to 1-2 in the conference (1-3 overall) with head-to-head losses against both Stevenson and DelVal. I don't see this happening to the team predicted by 6 out of 10 head coaches (6 out of 9 non-Albright head coaches) to win the conference with all they had returning.

(4) Given home games, timing of byes (critical) and playing of weaker teams before the bigger games.........I see both Widener and Lycoming beating at least one of the Stevenson/DelVal/Albright triumvirate, with an outside possibility of one of them possibly beating two.

Just my thoughts...........

I agree with a lot(most) of this..just have to see what Lyco does today to convince me more about #4. Lyco is young basically but they do return their QB/RB combo. Stevenson handled them well at home early on in the season last year. I'd have better odds of Widener picking off Stevenson at home before Lyco; but Lyco will get the chance to play spoiler in the final 2 weeks as they play Del Val and then Stevenson in those 2 final weeks. Widener will play and be tough (close games) for both Stevenson and Del Val.

The Del Val/Stevenson game is family/homecoming weekend ( don't get why they do both together) so the stadium will be jammed anyway; but it will make it even worth more if it is going to be for top of the conference by then. Still plenty of games to play before then.

King's is either much better than most thought and/or Lycoming might be lucky to win one against Stevenson/DelVal/Albright. The do have a dynamic, returning QB/RB combination along with a few nice receivers and while young on defense, they are not much younger than many of the MAC teams (DelVal has two seniors on defense and one is the 340 pound nose tackle, nice guy, but replaceable).

By the looks of this game, I expect King's to give DelVal one hell of a battle next week at home. The QB is a veteran and they have a very good and experienced passing game.

I'll wait to hear Simba's thoughts on the Lyco game today.

Week Two Predictions (without Lycosimba's analysis of the Lyco vs. King's game):

Widener - 43        FDU - 16 (Widener's QB will be slinging the ball all over Madison, NJ and their defense is very stout)
Wilkes - 34          Misericordia - 10 (It's going to be another long year for Miserables)
Stevenson - 37    LebVal - 20 (As stated above, winning at Albright puts Stevenson on the inside track to the MAC championship given the DelVal game is at home)
Albright - 38        Lycoming - 24 (As crazy as it sounds this early on, the preseason favorite.......6 of 9 first place votes of the non-Albright head coaches poll.......could be sunk with a loss)
DelVal - 28          King's - 27 (King's QB might turn out to be the conference MVP and their LB might be the best as well. Nailbiter until the very end. Always a tough game at the wind vortex)

5-0 last week.........although just a tad bit askew with a couple of the scores (i.e. DelVal by one point........up 49 after the first possession of the 3rd quarter)

Week Three Predictions:

King's - 26        LebVal - 20 (King's is at home and wants to get the taste of last week's home pasting by DelVal out of their mouths ASAP)
Lycoming - 41   Misericordia - 9 (Lyco's soft stretch starts here followed by home game, @ FDU, bye, home, @ Wilkes before ending the season with DelVal & Stevenson. Still a shot if they run the table)
Widener - 37     Wilkes - 16 (Widener's defense is too much for Wilkes and the offense has a good run/pass balance. They will make noise in the MAC)
Stevenson - 43  FDU - 14 (As stated at the top of the thread, the MAC favorite at this point, given the DelVal game at home, beats up on FDU......who's best player is now at Mount Union.......fancy that :) )
Albright - 26      DelVal - 24 (The team picked by 6 MAC Head Coaches in the preseason poll beats the team picked by 4 MAC Head Coaches. Decided in last two minutes)

Oh and yes, Carson Wentz is a stud..........but will come a bit back to earth with what the Steelers are going to throw at him. The future looks bright with Wentz at QB!!

Board...........wake up!! There is more action up on the Buffy, Biffy and Tiffy boards from the New England Conferences! ;)

I was not at the game, but I hope you took my advice with the bookies who take DIII action (kidding.........sort of ;) ) as I called for an Albright two point victory decided in the last two minutes.

I would like to apologize for not nailing it even more precisely as it was a three point Albright victory in the final 15 seconds.


Other than the surprising closeness of the Lyco vs. Miserables and Widener vs. Wilkes games, I was just about spot on.

I am keeping tonight's lottery winning number and tomorrow's Eagles vs. Steelers score to myself........as I pat myself on the back just a bit more ;)

No more Stevenson losses.
No more Albright losses.
Two more DelVal losses (Stevenson and Widener).
Stevenson as the only MAC team in the playoffs.

I believe the correct reponse is : "I believe, I had that."

It was my preseason and pregame belief.........and I did have it!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 28, 2016, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on September 26, 2016, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2016, 12:01:16 PM
First respondent gets a prize. Second respondent gets half a prize. Let's see if we can find the missing and/or wake up the dead. This was never the busiest board but when I go back to the beginning of the site and see the names of the dearly departed (from the board.......not the planet ;) ) I realize the difference between DI and DII/DIII fandom. DII/DIII has a handful or handfuls of diehards, but most non-diehards slowly fade once they graduate (just look at the number of ex-players on the sidelines 10, 20, 30 years after graduation compared to what you see on many DI sidelines) or when their kids graduate. Tons of DI fans are regulars at games each week, especially homecoming, until they die or are too old to get around that way. I've never, never, never understood it. I know so many graduates of DII/DIII programs who have never been or are no longer involved at Homecoming weekends. I know so many DI grads who never miss it and make plans for the next year as soon as the dates are set. My Swarthmore homecomings are like wakes. My buddies at Penn State.......they are up there for three or four days. I don't why grads of the smaller schools aren't as passionate about their schools as grads are from bigger schools. It's one of my mysteries of life!!!!

I think its most likely due to T.V. exposure. People generally gravitate to what everyone else is talking about, which is the T.V. They talk about the same ole' teams. That's why smaller programs have harder times getting recruits and DII/DIII have hard time getting the exposure, because most of the student body grew up watching the big schools and accepting them as their own.

I certainly see what you are saying but I've never understood it given the lack of connection whatsoever. Sure, I like watching Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc..........but they are not "my" teams as I'm not from the state, didn't go to the schools and I am not a part of the fabric of the school or it's community. I'm a distant outsider. I find the concept of the "Notre Dame Subway Alums" mindboggling. Because you're Catholic.......and maybe Irish, that's "your" school? No, it's not!!

When long time posters die out, or fade (like Lycosimba and bman) it's kind of sad. It's one thing to have a four year interest as the parent of a player and you not having attended the school. But as an alum, that attachment should last forever and in many cases, it doesn't. The number of posters from the early days on the board........to those who remain to this day, is just about zero. They didn't "ungraduate". If they've moved, the internet is accessible from anywhere. It's a loss of interest that you rarely see at the big school level. My buddy, a Michigan grad, flies a huge flag in front of his house 365/24/7. My other buddy, next door to him, went to Dickinson. He doesn't own a flag, let alone fly one. There seems to be a "big time school pride" that rarely exists in the smaller schools. I just find it sad. I see it every year at Swarthmore. :(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 28, 2016, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: wone3 on September 27, 2016, 05:50:05 PM
I agree in the out of sight-out of mind mentality. I want to make it up next year for my 25 at Lyco but it will depend on my kiddo's schedule ( the Football schedule). You don't see it on TV and you see the "big boys" all day from noon to midnight on Saturday and other nights as well. I think also with the small school that you had your circle of friends and you kept touch and do things year round which makes homecoming less needed. The bigger schools with a wider circle may make homecoming as the only chance to come together as a group.

Hope you get the thought ideas here...I might not have been as clear as I should be.

I understand completely. To be honest, after attending a few Penn State Homecoming weekends with friends as well one at Michigan and West Virginia, there is a part of me that is a tad bit jealous of the atmosphere and interest level of the alums. I've talked to numerous people in the alumni departments of many smaller schools and they smack their heads up against the wall to try to generate interest and enthusiasm, and at most schools, nothing works.

Speaking of "pride", I took my mother out to dinner in mid-August and we got talking to the greeter and our waiter. They had both just graduated from high school. When asked, the greeter enthusiastically stated that he was leaving for the University of North Carolina. Huge smile on his face. Our waiter?? He sheepishly, in a barely audible voice, told us that he was going to Salve Regina. His tone changed when I told him that I knew all about the school. The difference in the excitement levels between the two was amazing.......and there was no reason for that to be the case. Big School envy??? Maybe so. If I told 100 people that I was going to Penn State........100 would know what I was talking about. If I told 100 people that I was going to Claremont Mudd Scripps........I'm not sure that 1 person would even know what the heck I was talking about. Great school. Great education. But I know that I'd see that look in people's eyes who wouldn't know whether to congratulate me.......or console me. I've always found it a little sad, and my small school is more recognizable (Swarthmore) given it's academic reputation (I'd never get in today), and I'd maybe get 25 out of 100 that had ever heard of it. I support Swarthmore and DelVal (my adopted school) and the MAC as a result.......and wish that many more people, especially the alums, did so as well.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 28, 2016, 03:19:20 PM
I think that maybe post boards are now an older medium too. More people may just tweet out their thoughts.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on September 28, 2016, 04:25:20 PM
I attended Hobart undergrad and Southern Cal for my MBA. Total opposites on every level. The biggest difference I think is that the pride in a big time athletic program, by the students, alums, faculty and staff makes more sense at a USC than a HC. A lot of kids pick HWS b/c they wanted small, personal interaction with actual faculty (who usually abhor or feign interest in athletics). If I had to quickly sum it up, that'd be it.

And to Jason's point, not sure where the posters from 10 years + ago vanish off to other than careers, kids, etc. Only some of us hang on to the passion and interest that brought us on board from way back. I do also thing other avenues like Twitter, social media has made this medium very old fashioned (even though it's nice not to have a 140 character limit sometimes).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 29, 2016, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on September 28, 2016, 03:19:20 PM
I think that maybe post boards are now an older medium too. More people may just tweet out their thoughts.

I agree about the medium, but would be stunned if DIII football fans are tweeting within groups about MAC football. If it's barely happening here, I doubt it's happening elsewhere. It is an older way to communicate thoughts but I'm pretty sure that there is no site that approaches what we get from the various D3 sites. I still think that other than a small handful of diehards.......with most alums, parents of players, etc........the interest dies very quickly upon departing campus. That's a shame. The beer in the parking lot is no different at Penn State than at Lycoming! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 29, 2016, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on September 28, 2016, 04:25:20 PM
I attended Hobart undergrad and Southern Cal for my MBA. Total opposites on every level. The biggest difference I think is that the pride in a big time athletic program, by the students, alums, faculty and staff makes more sense at a USC than a HC. A lot of kids pick HWS b/c they wanted small, personal interaction with actual faculty (who usually abhor or feign interest in athletics). If I had to quickly sum it up, that'd be it.

And to Jason's point, not sure where the posters from 10 years + ago vanish off to other than careers, kids, etc. Only some of us hang on to the passion and interest that brought us on board from way back. I do also thing other avenues like Twitter, social media has made this medium very old fashioned (even though it's nice not to have a 140 character limit sometimes).

To your second point ITH, it still comes back to a gradual or pretty quick loss of interest as career, kids and other affect all of us in one way or another. I'm typing this note in between gold trades and will be shuttling my kids around all afternoon and evening. You just have to care enough and there are a precious few of us remaining. I yearn for the "good old days" in a lot of ways though (morals, ethics, Faith, etc.) and that probably makes me a dinosaur!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 29, 2016, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24

I'm going to throw a curveball or two in here on my 2016 season predictions:

1. Stevenson (the key DelVal game is at home and getting better at the higher level transfer gig..........but not Rowan in the 90's ;) )
2. Albright (6 first place votes by MAC coaches and everybody back of significance from last year's MAC Champion)
3. DelVal (Stevenson on the road + the annual loss vs. a team that you shouldn't lose to.........at Wilkes in 2015)
4. Widener (excellent defense and solid running game)
5. Lycoming (may surprise with what they have at RB/QB and all they have back from last year)
6. King's (might be better than most think)
7. Wilkes (same as King's)
8. Leb Valley (too many decent teams in the MAC)
9. FDU (best receiver in the conference is the highlight)
10. Misericordia (they replaced a running QB........with a running QB........the long slog continues)

On another note, to those who don't think a 1st round draft pick, a 4th and the 2017 cap space now freed up to resign Bennie Logan was a criminal haul for an oft-injured QB who was gone after this season.........I want to sit next to you at the poker table and take all of your money! ;)

I'm not one to toot my own "predicting horn" (although bman has done so for me over the years...........I do quite well with the NFL as well ;) ) but in my September 4 post above, I've got Stevenson, Albright and DelVal, followed by Widener........and it is playing out just like I thought. Stevenson now has an even clearer path with the DelVal game at home and Albright out of the way.

Sometimes you just have to say, "damn, I'm good"........or, "damn, I'm lucky" :)

Stevenson runs the table as does Albright. DelVal loses at Stevenson and at Widener. Stevenson is the only MAC school in the playoffs and gets a #4 seed in the East. Book it!! ;)

Week Five Predictions:

Bman - 34          Lycosimba - 16 (I'm hoping this game brings my two friends back to the board. Lycosimba needs the game to stay alive. Bman needs it to stay undefeated with Albright and Stevenson both coming to Chester)
Wilkes - 27         FDU - 20 (Not a whole lot to say........although the FDU Women's Hoops Team looks damn good again)
Stevenson - 40   Miserables - 10 (My MAC preseason favorite....see above....will whack Les Miserables up in Dallas. Speaking of which........the Cowboys stink!!!)
Albright - 33       King's - 13 (The preseason choice of 6 of the 9 head coaches.....not including Albright's as you can't vote for yourself.....will put it to King's up in Reading)
DelVal - 23         LebVal - 17 (Weather could affect the Battle of the Valley's. The Aggies might have blown the season last week as Stevenson and Widener both control their own destiny)


The Eagles have a bye this week so Ginger Jesus (Carson Wentz) will not be torching anybody's team. He (and the defense) made the Steelers look like Misericordia!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 29, 2016, 06:05:44 PM
My week 5 picks

Widener - 31         Lyco - 10  Lyco's D has to find a way to stop the pass. Widener knows they need to keep winning and can't over look this game ( and the next against Leb Val) for a few weeks down the road with Stevenson at home if they want a shot at the auto qualifier or a bowl game at year end.

Wilkes - 24         FDU - 17  I will say that FDU is showing better than it has in the past. If they could get a few good kids (QB was picked off 4 times last week at Stevenson and the run game got shut down) and maybe some better consistency; then they will be in the middle of the conference in the next couple of years. In other words, they aren't as much of the pushover as they have been in the past.

Stevenson - 48   Miserables - 10  This is other portion of the soft spot in schedule for Stevenson. They can't play like they did in Q1 against FDU and overlook this team and coast; but they should put it away early and get some backups more play time going into the break next week. Widener comes up on the 15th and they should use this game to work on eliminating mistakes that they can't have going forward for the rest of the season.

Albright - 28       King's - 13  Albright's pride keeps on going especially if they want a chance for a bowl game or outside shot at the auto qualify

DelVal - 24         LebVal - 17 Del Val needs to keep holding serve for a shot at the qualifier or a bowl game.

I'm thinking we'll have 4 teams ( stevenson, widener, del val and albright) looking for the 3 spots (auto and 2 bowl games) coming down to the end of the season and they all know that they need to keep winning to stay in it. I can almost guarantee that all 4 will NOT be playing a post season game and just not sure who's going to be the one sitting out as of quite yet mainly because Widener hasn't matched against any of the other 3 ( Stevenson 1-0, Albright 1-1 and Del Val 0-1 as of now).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 01, 2016, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: wone3 on September 29, 2016, 06:05:44 PM
My week 5 picks

Widener - 31         Lyco - 10  Lyco's D has to find a way to stop the pass. Widener knows they need to keep winning and can't over look this game ( and the next against Leb Val) for a few weeks down the road with Stevenson at home if they want a shot at the auto qualifier or a bowl game at year end.

Wilkes - 24         FDU - 17  I will say that FDU is showing better than it has in the past. If they could get a few good kids (QB was picked off 4 times last week at Stevenson and the run game got shut down) and maybe some better consistency; then they will be in the middle of the conference in the next couple of years. In other words, they aren't as much of the pushover as they have been in the past.

Stevenson - 48   Miserables - 10  This is other portion of the soft spot in schedule for Stevenson. They can't play like they did in Q1 against FDU and overlook this team and coast; but they should put it away early and get some backups more play time going into the break next week. Widener comes up on the 15th and they should use this game to work on eliminating mistakes that they can't have going forward for the rest of the season.

Albright - 28       King's - 13  Albright's pride keeps on going especially if they want a chance for a bowl game or outside shot at the auto qualify

DelVal - 24         LebVal - 17 Del Val needs to keep holding serve for a shot at the qualifier or a bowl game.

I'm thinking we'll have 4 teams ( stevenson, widener, del val and albright) looking for the 3 spots (auto and 2 bowl games) coming down to the end of the season and they all know that they need to keep winning to stay in it. I can almost guarantee that all 4 will NOT be playing a post season game and just not sure who's going to be the one sitting out as of quite yet mainly because Widener hasn't matched against any of the other 3 ( Stevenson 1-0, Albright 1-1 and Del Val 0-1 as of now).

Should be an interesting day!! Sending out an APB for bman and Lycosimba (especially on bman vs. Lycosimba day) and tweisman!!!!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 01, 2016, 11:56:32 AM
I'm a little late this week on my picks, but it has been a long week of class work, so needed to kick back a few last night! Anyways, here are my picks for week 5:

FDU@Wilkes: Wilkes wins by 10 points

Kings@Albright: Albright wins by 14 points

Del Val@Leb Val: Del Val wins by 14 points

Stevenson@Misericordia: Stevenson wins by 27 points

Widener@Lycoming: Widener wins by 10 points

Also here are my conference rankings heading into week 5:

1. Stevenson
2. Albright
3. Del Val
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. Lycoming
7. Leb Val
8. Wilkes
9. FDU
10. Misericordia
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 01, 2016, 12:52:51 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 01, 2016, 11:56:32 AM
I'm a little late this week on my picks, but it has been a long week of class work, so needed to kick back a few last night! Anyways, here are my picks for week 5:

FDU@Wilkes: Wilkes wins by 10 points

Kings@Albright: Albright wins by 14 points

Del Val@Leb Val: Del Val wins by 14 points

Stevenson@Misericordia: Stevenson wins by 27 points

Widener@Lycoming: Widener wins by 10 points

Also here are my conference rankings heading into week 5:

1. Stevenson
2. Albright
3. Del Val
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. Lycoming
7. Leb Val
8. Wilkes
9. FDU
10. Misericordia

Despite 6 of the 9 non-Albright head coaches picking Albright to win the conference, I picked Stevenson before the start of the season. Your Top Four now are how I ranked my Top Four before the games started. We shall see.......
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 01, 2016, 04:33:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 01, 2016, 12:52:51 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 01, 2016, 11:56:32 AM
I'm a little late this week on my picks, but it has been a long week of class work, so needed to kick back a few last night! Anyways, here are my picks for week 5:

FDU@Wilkes: Wilkes wins by 10 points

Kings@Albright: Albright wins by 14 points

Del Val@Leb Val: Del Val wins by 14 points

Stevenson@Misericordia: Stevenson wins by 27 points

Widener@Lycoming: Widener wins by 10 points

Also here are my conference rankings heading into week 5:

1. Stevenson
2. Albright
3. Del Val
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. Lycoming
7. Leb Val
8. Wilkes
9. FDU
10. Misericordia

Despite 6 of the 9 non-Albright head coaches picking Albright to win the conference, I picked Stevenson before the start of the season. Your Top Four now are how I ranked my Top Four before the games started. We shall see.......

Guessing that ranking was coming from the question mark of who the stevenson QB was going to be (offense was a bit more of a question mark last year..they really have clicked this year) as the main reason; along with the fact they didn't think the defense would repeat the stats they pulled out last year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2016, 08:01:28 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 01, 2016, 04:33:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 01, 2016, 12:52:51 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 01, 2016, 11:56:32 AM
I'm a little late this week on my picks, but it has been a long week of class work, so needed to kick back a few last night! Anyways, here are my picks for week 5:

FDU@Wilkes: Wilkes wins by 10 points

Kings@Albright: Albright wins by 14 points

Del Val@Leb Val: Del Val wins by 14 points

Stevenson@Misericordia: Stevenson wins by 27 points

Widener@Lycoming: Widener wins by 10 points

Also here are my conference rankings heading into week 5:

1. Stevenson
2. Albright
3. Del Val
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. Lycoming
7. Leb Val
8. Wilkes
9. FDU
10. Misericordia

Despite 6 of the 9 non-Albright head coaches picking Albright to win the conference, I picked Stevenson before the start of the season. Your Top Four now are how I ranked my Top Four before the games started. We shall see.......

Guessing that ranking was coming from the question mark of who the stevenson QB was going to be (offense was a bit more of a question mark last year..they really have clicked this year) as the main reason; along with the fact they didn't think the defense would repeat the stats they pulled out last year.

Based on all that was returning for Stevenson along with a few key transfers coming in, I had Stevenson number one in my preseason poll. I had Albright number two based off of returning just about everybody from last year's MAC Conference Champion.......followed by DelVal and Widener. It seems to be playing out just as I had expected halfway through the season.

Bman and Lycosimba........where are you guys?? Are neither of you back from Williamsport yet? A four overtime game. I have to hear the details..........
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 03, 2016, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 02, 2016, 08:01:28 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 01, 2016, 04:33:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 01, 2016, 12:52:51 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 01, 2016, 11:56:32 AM
I'm a little late this week on my picks, but it has been a long week of class work, so needed to kick back a few last night! Anyways, here are my picks for week 5:

FDU@Wilkes: Wilkes wins by 10 points

Kings@Albright: Albright wins by 14 points

Del Val@Leb Val: Del Val wins by 14 points

Stevenson@Misericordia: Stevenson wins by 27 points

Widener@Lycoming: Widener wins by 10 points

Also here are my conference rankings heading into week 5:

1. Stevenson
2. Albright
3. Del Val
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. Lycoming
7. Leb Val
8. Wilkes
9. FDU
10. Misericordia

Despite 6 of the 9 non-Albright head coaches picking Albright to win the conference, I picked Stevenson before the start of the season. Your Top Four now are how I ranked my Top Four before the games started. We shall see.......

Guessing that ranking was coming from the question mark of who the stevenson QB was going to be (offense was a bit more of a question mark last year..they really have clicked this year) as the main reason; along with the fact they didn't think the defense would repeat the stats they pulled out last year.

Based on all that was returning for Stevenson along with a few key transfers coming in, I had Stevenson number one in my preseason poll. I had Albright number two based off of returning just about everybody from last year's MAC Conference Champion.......followed by DelVal and Widener. It seems to be playing out just as I had expected halfway through the season.

Bman and Lycosimba........where are you guys?? Are neither of you back from Williamsport yet? A four overtime game. I have to hear the details..........

Calling all bmans and lycosimbas..........calling all bmans and lycosimbas. Hopefully you guys had a chance to break bread (if not beers) up in Williamsport on Saturday. I need to hear both of your perspectives on the game. I may start calling the local hospitals to see if you guys are ok!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 05, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
With Alvernia adding football, how will the scheduling work? Similar to the PAC or are there plans to add an additional team to make 12 and split into two divisions and have a championship game?

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/10/alvernia-adding-football
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on October 05, 2016, 05:02:01 PM
The LL needs at least one new member. One of the MAC or PAC schools in No PA would be good potential candidates (assuming there any)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 05, 2016, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on October 05, 2016, 05:02:01 PM
The LL needs at least one new member. One of the MAC or PAC schools in No PA would be good potential candidates (assuming there any)

Gosh, Pep thought the LL might try to woo Alfred....perhaps that was just a few posters speculating.   :-\


Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 06, 2016, 11:57:53 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on October 05, 2016, 05:02:01 PM
The LL needs at least one new member. One of the MAC or PAC schools in No PA would be good potential candidates (assuming there any)

Don't be surprised if Misericordia isn't making a few phone calls to the Liberty League. Three schools within 10 minutes of each other (Misericordia, King's and Wilkes) with King's and Wilkes literally right across the street, in an areas that are not exactly booming (Wilkes-Barre and Dallas). Misericordia is the Northernmost PA team currently in the MAC.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 06, 2016, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 05, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
With Alvernia adding football, how will the scheduling work? Similar to the PAC or are there plans to add an additional team to make 12 and split into two divisions and have a championship game?

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/10/alvernia-adding-football

Gordon Mann & Pat Coleman......what are your thoughts? Does the MAC just move forward with a 10 game schedule and zero non-league games? Do you see a team like Misericordia, Stevenson or anybody else exploring any non-MAC options in the future? Arcadia is pretty deep in their own football study right now and that would make one helluva mess out of the MAC on the football side!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2016, 03:26:45 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 06, 2016, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 05, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
With Alvernia adding football, how will the scheduling work? Similar to the PAC or are there plans to add an additional team to make 12 and split into two divisions and have a championship game?

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/10/alvernia-adding-football

Arcadia is pretty deep in their own football study right now and that would make one helluva mess out of the MAC on the football side!!

When I arrived in the area in 1967 (i.e., the "Dark Ages" ), the MAC was  already in a "helluva mess" in all sports simply because of its size.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2016, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 06, 2016, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 05, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
With Alvernia adding football, how will the scheduling work? Similar to the PAC or are there plans to add an additional team to make 12 and split into two divisions and have a championship game?

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/10/alvernia-adding-football

Gordon Mann & Pat Coleman......what are your thoughts? Does the MAC just move forward with a 10 game schedule and zero non-league games? Do you see a team like Misericordia, Stevenson or anybody else exploring any non-MAC options in the future? Arcadia is pretty deep in their own football study right now and that would make one helluva mess out of the MAC on the football side!!

If Stevenson left the friendly confines of the MAC, where would they go?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 06, 2016, 03:59:42 PM
Pat or Dave probably have more thoughts on what the MAC will do, but my guess is they'll go with 11 teams and no non-conference games. When I first started covering Del Val football, there were 11 teams (http://d3football.com/teams/Delaware_Valley/2005/index).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2016, 10:51:43 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 06, 2016, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 05, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
With Alvernia adding football, how will the scheduling work? Similar to the PAC or are there plans to add an additional team to make 12 and split into two divisions and have a championship game?

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/10/alvernia-adding-football

Gordon Mann & Pat Coleman......what are your thoughts? Does the MAC just move forward with a 10 game schedule and zero non-league games? Do you see a team like Misericordia, Stevenson or anybody else exploring any non-MAC options in the future? Arcadia is pretty deep in their own football study right now and that would make one helluva mess out of the MAC on the football side!!

There was a huge push against doing this the last time -- first off because a "closed" (or "inbred" if you prefer) conference is bad for playoff positioning and secondly because schools have non-conference rivalries they'd like to maintain. Last item in this column references the previous thought process, although it also references the Commonwealth and Freedom structure that was done away with later for football.

I'm sure they'll do again what I described in 1999 -- nine games and a tiebreaker if the top teams are tied and haven't played each other.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/1999/e-and-h-looks-to-end-dry-spell
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2016, 10:52:49 PM
A 12th MAC football program would actually be better, jmcozenlaw, because they could split into two six-team divisions and have a title game as an 11th regular season game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2016, 08:12:07 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2016, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 06, 2016, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 05, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
With Alvernia adding football, how will the scheduling work? Similar to the PAC or are there plans to add an additional team to make 12 and split into two divisions and have a championship game?

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/10/alvernia-adding-football

Gordon Mann & Pat Coleman......what are your thoughts? Does the MAC just move forward with a 10 game schedule and zero non-league games? Do you see a team like Misericordia, Stevenson or anybody else exploring any non-MAC options in the future? Arcadia is pretty deep in their own football study right now and that would make one helluva mess out of the MAC on the football side!!

If Stevenson left the friendly confines of the MAC, where would they go?

I have no idea other than a path similar to another Maryland school.........Salisbury?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2016, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2016, 10:52:49 PM
A 12th MAC football program would actually be better, jmcozenlaw, because they could split into two six-team divisions and have a title game as an 11th regular season game.

I agree 100% Pat. I'm not sure where Arcadia stands in the process, but if they were to add football, 11 teams would be kind of odd. DeSales has explored the issue several times in the past and my friends up there say that momentum is building again as it is at Messiah (given the positive financial strength at the school and the way the community gives to support projects and programs on campus). The dreaded 13 would be a real mess and somebody might be looking to make a move. Misericordia to a New York Conference? Stevenson to the NJAC to join Salisbury? Some surprise out of nowhere (i.e. Centennial expansion by two schools.........often rumored as well........along with or separate from a clearer line of demarcation with the Landmark, as a few of the Landmark basketball schools consider football as well).

It should be interesting in any case as Alvernia should eventually hurt Albright over time. Arcadia would hurt Widener/DelVal and DeSales would hurt primarily DelVal and possibly the NEPA schools. These schools give excellent "packages" to a couple of basketball players each year. You can't do the same across a football program. That's why I'm not so sure about Arcadia and DeSales. Facilities are one thing. Raise money and build them. Financial aid "packages" are another. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2016, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 29, 2016, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24

I'm going to throw a curveball or two in here on my 2016 season predictions:

1. Stevenson (the key DelVal game is at home and getting better at the higher level transfer gig..........but not Rowan in the 90's ;) )
2. Albright (6 first place votes by MAC coaches and everybody back of significance from last year's MAC Champion)
3. DelVal (Stevenson on the road + the annual loss vs. a team that you shouldn't lose to.........at Wilkes in 2015)
4. Widener (excellent defense and solid running game)
5. Lycoming (may surprise with what they have at RB/QB and all they have back from last year)
6. King's (might be better than most think)
7. Wilkes (same as King's)
8. Leb Valley (too many decent teams in the MAC)
9. FDU (best receiver in the conference is the highlight)
10. Misericordia (they replaced a running QB........with a running QB........the long slog continues)

On another note, to those who don't think a 1st round draft pick, a 4th and the 2017 cap space now freed up to resign Bennie Logan was a criminal haul for an oft-injured QB who was gone after this season.........I want to sit next to you at the poker table and take all of your money! ;)

I'm not one to toot my own "predicting horn" (although bman has done so for me over the years...........I do quite well with the NFL as well ;) ) but in my September 4 post above, I've got Stevenson, Albright and DelVal, followed by Widener........and it is playing out just like I thought. Stevenson now has an even clearer path with the DelVal game at home and Albright out of the way.

Sometimes you just have to say, "damn, I'm good"........or, "damn, I'm lucky" :)

Stevenson runs the table as does Albright. DelVal loses at Stevenson and at Widener. Stevenson is the only MAC school in the playoffs and gets a #4 seed in the East. Book it!! ;)

Week Five Predictions:

Bman - 34          Lycosimba - 16 (I'm hoping this game brings my two friends back to the board. Lycosimba needs the game to stay alive. Bman needs it to stay undefeated with Albright and Stevenson both coming to Chester)
Wilkes - 27         FDU - 20 (Not a whole lot to say........although the FDU Women's Hoops Team looks damn good again)
Stevenson - 40   Miserables - 10 (My MAC preseason favorite....see above....will whack Les Miserables up in Dallas. Speaking of which........the Cowboys stink!!!)
Albright - 33       King's - 13 (The preseason choice of 6 of the 9 head coaches.....not including Albright's as you can't vote for yourself.....will put it to King's up in Reading)
DelVal - 23         LebVal - 17 (Weather could affect the Battle of the Valley's. The Aggies might have blown the season last week as Stevenson and Widener both control their own destiny)


The Eagles have a bye this week so Ginger Jesus (Carson Wentz) will not be torching anybody's team. He (and the defense) made the Steelers look like Misericordia!! ;)

The All Points Bulletin stays in effect for bman and simba, especially since we never heard from either of them before or after their epic showdown in Williamsport last week. I hope that they are ok. They are my textbook examples of "waning interest syndrome" in small school football. Nonetheless, we must carry on............

Week Six Predictions:

King's - 37    Miserables - 14 (I really have no comment on the game, so I'll wait for the King's and Miserables posters...........and wait..........and wait..........and wait ;) )
Lycosimba - 30  FDU - 20 (Although last week's home loss to bman ruined any chance of a MAC title, they are playing this game for simba and his safe and healthy return :) )
Widenerbman - 40   LebVal - 10 (After what DelVal did to LebVal in the "Battle of the Val's", Widener will roll. Widener & Stevenson control their own destiny and Widener has each of the Big Three at home & none back-to-back)

Carson Wentz comes back to earth a bit, but the surprise of the NFL.......the Eagles (3rd worst Superbowl odds on the pre-game one Vegas line) get to 4-0.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 07, 2016, 11:08:28 PM
Week 6 picks and the entrant into the MAC...

Firstly, I think Stevenson likes the MAC right now and because of their young age in football, just don't quite see them jumping ship like Susquehanna and juanita did a bit ago. I would tend to think a Misercordia or someone like that would jump first especially if they could get into a league that they could be more competitive...heck maybe even FDU jump to NJ since they are right there?????

Kings 28 Misercordia 7 - nothing to say or watch more
Lyco 21 FDU 17 - this could be a fun game to watch because FDU could pull this off and it wouldn't be as much of an upset as in past

Widener 28  Leb Valley 17- as much as I'd like to see Leb Valley keep it close and even pull the upset, won't happen in my mind. I would love to be wrong so it potentially makes 15th and 22nd games for Stevenson to be decider for conference basically.

Lots of football to be played and it should be fun as we get to end of month etc.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 08, 2016, 08:54:19 AM
My week 6 picks:

Misericordia@Kings: Kings by 17 points

Lyco@FDU: Lyco by 10 points

Widener@Leb Val: Widener by 17 points

My Week 6 Conference Rankings:
1. Stevenson
2. Albright
3. Del Val
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. Lycoming
7. Leb Val
8. Wilkes
9. FDU
10. Misericordia

I'm intrigued by how Arcadia adding a football team changes the MAC. I believe the best option is to find a 12th team and create two division to play for a conference championship game. Not sure if that next team would come internally or externally, but I think this is the best course of action.


Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 08, 2016, 11:12:02 AM
With the disappearance of bman and simba (I have calls into CSI, Criminal Minds and Castle........and I hope Castle returns the call as I am madly in love with the female co-star ;) ) the board now is pretty much down to me, wone and tweisman. You two had better not leave me hanging as I can't be the only person left.......they may shut me down!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 08, 2016, 04:00:44 PM
Dang it...should have trusted my first instinct on FDU and pulling it off.... said they could do it; and this is now a rebuild-gain experience year again for Lyco. They will need to play for pride once Del Val and Stevenson hit town late in the year.

Not shocked with the Widener score..think once the pick 6 happened, the air went out of the balloon and that was it. The fun starts next week with Stevenson. That will be a BATTLE for sure.

Stevenson can't let Kings play pesky and get in their heads later on down the season as well...interesting scoring going on there with Misercordia. (42-35 Kings with about 6:25 left and misercordia couldn't convert 4th an 1 deep in Kings territory)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 08, 2016, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 08, 2016, 04:00:44 PM
Dang it...should have trusted my first instinct on FDU and pulling it off.... said they could do it; and this is now a rebuild-gain experience year again for Lyco. They will need to play for pride once Del Val and Stevenson hit town late in the year.

Not shocked with the Widener score..think once the pick 6 happened, the air went out of the balloon and that was it. The fun starts next week with Stevenson. That will be a BATTLE for sure.

Stevenson can't let Kings play pesky and get in their heads later on down the season as well...interesting scoring going on there with Misercordia. (42-35 Kings with about 6:25 left and misercordia couldn't convert 4th an 1 deep in Kings territory)

What stuns me is how Lycoming can take a big, brusing, physical, experienced team like Widener into 4 overtimes last week.......................and blow a 4th quarter lead to FDU today. If Castle finds Lycosimba, or if he escapes the Witness Protection Program, maybe he can explain. I'm still waiting for bman's and lycosimba's breakdown of last week's Widener @ Lycoming game as I'm sure at least one of them was there.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 09, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 08, 2016, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 08, 2016, 04:00:44 PM
Dang it...should have trusted my first instinct on FDU and pulling it off.... said they could do it; and this is now a rebuild-gain experience year again for Lyco. They will need to play for pride once Del Val and Stevenson hit town late in the year.

Not shocked with the Widener score..think once the pick 6 happened, the air went out of the balloon and that was it. The fun starts next week with Stevenson. That will be a BATTLE for sure.

Stevenson can't let Kings play pesky and get in their heads later on down the season as well...interesting scoring going on there with Misercordia. (42-35 Kings with about 6:25 left and misercordia couldn't convert 4th an 1 deep in Kings territory)

What stuns me is how Lycoming can take a big, brusing, physical, experienced team like Widener into 4 overtimes last week.......................and blow a 4th quarter lead to FDU today. If Castle finds Lycosimba, or if he escapes the Witness Protection Program, maybe he can explain. I'm still waiting for bman's and lycosimba's breakdown of last week's Widener @ Lycoming game as I'm sure at least one of them was there.

Widener isn't the solid powerhouse it once was either I think. I would have called a tight game against Stevenson at home last year during Stevenson's homecoming and Widener came out and basically laid an egg during that game. Considering Lyco is still kind of a rivalry game, you play up or down to the competition of that game. Widener was also the homecoming game for Lyco(I'm a grad of 92 and got the paperwork in the mail) and the team wants and usually plays up for that game. Same thing has happened here in my kiddo's HS alma mater. They are clearly the better team and last year on the home field...blew them out of the game (30+ victory); but this year kind of squeaked by on their field (14 point win with touchdown kind of late).
I also tend to think that Lyco( even tho they aren't good enough anymore to have this mentality) might have taken FDU a bit lightly based on record. They have had it happen to them in the past and come back and bite them for playoff consideration.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2016, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2016, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 29, 2016, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24

I'm going to throw a curveball or two in here on my 2016 season predictions:

1. Stevenson (the key DelVal game is at home and getting better at the higher level transfer gig..........but not Rowan in the 90's ;) )
2. Albright (6 first place votes by MAC coaches and everybody back of significance from last year's MAC Champion)
3. DelVal (Stevenson on the road + the annual loss vs. a team that you shouldn't lose to.........at Wilkes in 2015)
4. Widener (excellent defense and solid running game)
5. Lycoming (may surprise with what they have at RB/QB and all they have back from last year)
6. King's (might be better than most think)
7. Wilkes (same as King's)
8. Leb Valley (too many decent teams in the MAC)
9. FDU (best receiver in the conference is the highlight)
10. Misericordia (they replaced a running QB........with a running QB........the long slog continues)

On another note, to those who don't think a 1st round draft pick, a 4th and the 2017 cap space now freed up to resign Bennie Logan was a criminal haul for an oft-injured QB who was gone after this season.........I want to sit next to you at the poker table and take all of your money! ;)

I'm not one to toot my own "predicting horn" (although bman has done so for me over the years...........I do quite well with the NFL as well ;) ) but in my September 4 post above, I've got Stevenson, Albright and DelVal, followed by Widener........and it is playing out just like I thought. Stevenson now has an even clearer path with the DelVal game at home and Albright out of the way.

Sometimes you just have to say, "damn, I'm good"........or, "damn, I'm lucky" :)

Stevenson runs the table as does Albright. DelVal loses at Stevenson and at Widener. Stevenson is the only MAC school in the playoffs and gets a #4 seed in the East. Book it!! ;)

Week Five Predictions:

Bman - 34          Lycosimba - 16 (I'm hoping this game brings my two friends back to the board. Lycosimba needs the game to stay alive. Bman needs it to stay undefeated with Albright and Stevenson both coming to Chester)
Wilkes - 27         FDU - 20 (Not a whole lot to say........although the FDU Women's Hoops Team looks damn good again)
Stevenson - 40   Miserables - 10 (My MAC preseason favorite....see above....will whack Les Miserables up in Dallas. Speaking of which........the Cowboys stink!!!)
Albright - 33       King's - 13 (The preseason choice of 6 of the 9 head coaches.....not including Albright's as you can't vote for yourself.....will put it to King's up in Reading)
DelVal - 23         LebVal - 17 (Weather could affect the Battle of the Valley's. The Aggies might have blown the season last week as Stevenson and Widener both control their own destiny)


The Eagles have a bye this week so Ginger Jesus (Carson Wentz) will not be torching anybody's team. He (and the defense) made the Steelers look like Misericordia!! ;)

The All Points Bulletin stays in effect for bman and simba, especially since we never heard from either of them before or after their epic showdown in Williamsport last week. I hope that they are ok. They are my textbook examples of "waning interest syndrome" in small school football. Nonetheless, we must carry on............

Week Six Predictions:

King's - 37    Miserables - 14 (I really have no comment on the game, so I'll wait for the King's and Miserables posters...........and wait..........and wait..........and wait ;) )
Lycosimba - 30  FDU - 20 (Although last week's home loss to bman ruined any chance of a MAC title, they are playing this game for simba and his safe and healthy return :) )
Widenerbman - 40   LebVal - 10 (After what DelVal did to LebVal in the "Battle of the Val's", Widener will roll. Widener & Stevenson control their own destiny and Widener has each of the Big Three at home & none back-to-back)

Carson Wentz comes back to earth a bit, but the surprise of the NFL.......the Eagles (3rd worst Superbowl odds on the pre-game one Vegas line) get to 4-0.

With bman and Lycosimba joining the ranks of the other long time departed posters, I guess that it's now just me, wone and tweisman (not counting the occasional check-in from kate, Gordon and Pat). Kind of a bummer...........

Week Seven Predictions:
Albright - 37          FDU - 14 (The preseason pick of six of the nine non-Albright head coaches rolls at home)
Stevenson - 20      Widenerbman - 13 (Widener could take over control of the conference with a win, but I'm going with my preseason MAC Champ pick in a slugfest in beautiful Chester)
DelVal - 34            Wilkes - 20 (DelVal has revenge for last year's disaster at Wilkes. If Wilkes plays like they did at Widener, this will be close. If not, it could be a blowout)

Wentzmania continues out of control in the Greater Philadelphia Area as it is mind boggling what a kid, with 23 starts at D1-AA (or as we jokingly call it.......the Mount Union/UWW level ;) ) North Dakota State is doing........especially with only one NFL caliber wide receiver. Can't wait until he gets some weapons over the next couple of seasons!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 13, 2016, 09:17:02 PM
Week 7 picks:

Albright 28 FDU 17 - FDU has improved and Albright needs the win to stay in the postseason play race. Albright still have enough to beat this team but we might not be saying that soon.

Stevenson 31 Widener 28 - This was the type of game I expected last year and instead Widener came out flat at Stevenson's homecoming and got beat even though they came back 2nd 1/2. This should be a tight back and forth game but I expect a late Widener TD to get to this score ( Stevenson will get up 10 at one point)

Del Valley 24 Wilkes 17 - Wilkes seems to play up to good teams this year and down to bad ones as well. I think this will stay to the pattern and Del Val will win to set-up next week's showdown. Del Val just can't take this team for granted and look ahead. They also want to stay in run for post season play.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 14, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 07, 2005, 10:56:28 PM
"Our kids don't feel good about this at all," Girardi said. "Any time a game like this happens you want to play the very next day. I can see it in them. I think they are going to give a good account of themselves. I really do."
    Baltz, a three-year starter and one of four captains, said the Warriors want to show members of past championship teams that they aren't as bad as their record or last week's result indicates. Lycoming has won 13 Middle Atlantic Conference titles and members of every championship team should be in attendance Saturday.
    "We want to show them that we can still play the same way that they did," Baltz said. "We want to show them that we're not dead yet." (Williamsport Sun Gazette)

The Lyco football family of athletes will always be there to support the Warriors in both victory & defeat, unlike many of the past frontrunners who have posted on this board and have come & gone....The current group of frontrunners' longevity on this board, supporting their team, even in defeat, remains to be seen!...Simba

I was a little bored today trading futures and commodities so I went back and read the first 50 pages or so of the 2005 season (the first 50 pages under the new format). I can't believe how mean spirited and harsh the board was at that time. Damn!!! Many of those posters are long gone but I found it funny that even back then, bman was busting simba's stones about only hearing from him after Lycoming victories...........and with stories from the distant past. ;)

Simba, as the last paragraph from one of your posts (above) from 2005 (almost 11 years ago to the day) states...........have you become (or always been) that same frontrunner who is heard from in the good times, but disappears in the not-so-good times? Interesting.

The human condition continues to fascinate me (the Swarthmore in me ;) )

Also..........I would love to hear from the dearly departed PBR.........
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 14, 2016, 05:47:05 PM
That goes for me, too, jmcozenlaw.  Used to love PBR's take on things.  Still have to thoroughly read the landmark startup thesis.  No sour grapes, just need to know what makes them tick!  (And why)!  Good luck to the Aggies tomorrow for their Homecoming games!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 14, 2016, 09:45:54 PM
Quote from: kate on October 14, 2016, 05:47:05 PM
That goes for me, too, jmcozenlaw.  Used to love PBR's take on things.  Still have to thoroughly read the landmark startup thesis.  No sour grapes, just need to know what makes them tick!  (And why)!  Good luck to the Aggies tomorrow for their Homecoming games!!!

Hey Kate, I've been stunned at the departures of bman and simba, right around the same time, as they been around for years (much longer than me). I put those Landmark pansies in their place. I love the CPA Exam pass rate........you can't dispute facts!! Ronk acts like Scranton is Harvard.........it's freakin Scranton........and it's in Scranton!! I don't think any of those kids hang around Scranton once they graduate. Great Italian food though in Scranton and Clarks Summit.........along with a nice mafia presence (the landfill business ;) )

A debit is a debit.......a credit is a credit.......and Eireann Anastasi started out right around six figures with her DelVal Bachelors and M.B.A.........in addition to rewriting the record book. My Ivy buddies always say that the toughest part about their journey was getting in, not the work itself. If you can get in, the work is a breeze. :) The "my school is better than yours" is such an outdated, false narrative........as is the "many football players can't get into my MAC school, but they got into others". If they only knew what I knew..........
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 15, 2016, 11:12:27 AM
Week 7 Predictions:

Wilkes@Del Val: Del Val wins by 28 points

Stevenson@Widener: Stevenson wins by 3 points

FDU@Albright: Albright wins by 28 points

This week is tough to choose between Widener and Stevenson due to Del Val looming next week on all Stevenson fans minds. I'm hopeful that Widener isn't overlook, because they are more than capable from knocking Stevenson off today.

Week 7 Conference Rankings:
1. Stevenson
2. Del Val
3. Albright
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. FDU
7. Lycoming
8. Leb Val
9. Wilkes
10. Misericordia

Slight shift in rankings this week. I believe Del Val has been showing up well since that close lose to Albright, thus if another game was played between those two, I would be picking Del Val. I believe FDU has shown some fight and is deserving to be sitting in the 6th spot. Wilkes and Misericordia could flip either way, but I believe Wilkes has the higher ceiling between the two.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 15, 2016, 04:00:54 PM
I think the statement was made that the MAC has to go thru Stevenson this year. Next week is the key game; and then after that it is play like expected ( no injuries or unexpected surprises) and lay no eggs.

If Stevenson pulls out the homecoming game against Del Val then they are 2 games up.

If Del Val wins, then the match up Nov 12 with Widener is the most likely deal maker. Del Val has both FDU and Lyco before them.

Stevenson will have King's Wilkes and Lyco after next week.

Buckle up for the end of the year!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 15, 2016, 04:13:43 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 15, 2016, 04:00:54 PM
I think the statement was made that the MAC has to go thru Stevenson this year. Next week is the key game; and then after that it is play like expected ( no injuries or unexpected surprises) and lay no eggs.

If Stevenson pulls out the homecoming game against Del Val then they are 2 games up.

If Del Val wins, then the match up Nov 12 with Widener is the most likely deal maker. Del Val has both FDU and Lyco before them.

Stevenson will have King's Wilkes and Lyco after next week.

Buckle up for the end of the year!

Wone - I actually made the statement, via my preseason prediction that it would be Stevenson, Albright, DelVal and Widener in that order. I think I will wind up nailing it on the head. I was not at the DelVal vs. Wilkes game today but will read nothing into the score as the "Bad Wilkes" obviously showed up.

I'll wait until Thursday or Friday to make my official prediction, but given Stevenson beat both Albright and Widener on the road, I've got them as a 10 point favorite at home next week against DelVal. My only question will be if they have the team to win a few games in the NCAA playoffs. We'll see.......

P.S. I lit a candle this morning in memory of simba, bman and PBR :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 15, 2016, 04:24:09 PM
Was at the Stevenson/Widener game today.  Good first half until Widener's poor special teams showed up and gave up the punt return TD with under 1 minute left in half.  Second half turned into a defensive game until again Widener's poor punt team had a bag snap and Stevenson scores again.  Follow that with Widener having no passing game and you get the blowout with a 75+ yard TD and and Int returned for a TD.  Stevenson is pretty good.  I think the game with Del Val will be a good one.  Widener did not look any different to me since week 1 against Rowan.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 15, 2016, 05:47:01 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 15, 2016, 04:24:09 PM
Was at the Stevenson/Widener game today.  Good first half until Widener's poor special teams showed up and gave up the punt return TD with under 1 minute left in half.  Second half turned into a defensive game until again Widener's poor punt team had a bag snap and Stevenson scores again.  Follow that with Widener having no passing game and you get the blowout with a 75+ yard TD and and Int returned for a TD.  Stevenson is pretty good.  I think the game with Del Val will be a good one.  Widener did not look any different to me since week 1 against Rowan.

Agree with you Wesleydad, it was a good game until that late PR before half. I really like Stevenson, I think they have the defense and a mixture on offense to play with Delaware Valley and probably win a couple games if they were to make the playoffs. Like the Widener jerseys today too.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 16, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.

Pep is curious about this statement. Does Stevenson sell pre-game tickets? Are you saying that anyone arriving at the game will be turned away? Can't imagine that happening at any D3 venue. Pep recalls games back in the 1960s and early 1970s when between 7,000 and 8,000 were standing-room-only in then 5,000 capacity Merrill Field at Alfred. Mind you, some of the regulars showed up at 11 a.m. for a 2 p.m. kickoff just to stand in line to get first dibs on the best seats. No one was ever turned away, to Pep's knowledge.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2016, 09:00:07 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 15, 2016, 05:47:01 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 15, 2016, 04:24:09 PM
Was at the Stevenson/Widener game today.  Good first half until Widener's poor special teams showed up and gave up the punt return TD with under 1 minute left in half.  Second half turned into a defensive game until again Widener's poor punt team had a bag snap and Stevenson scores again.  Follow that with Widener having no passing game and you get the blowout with a 75+ yard TD and and Int returned for a TD.  Stevenson is pretty good.  I think the game with Del Val will be a good one.  Widener did not look any different to me since week 1 against Rowan.

Agree with you Wesleydad, it was a good game until that late PR before half. I really like Stevenson, I think they have the defense and a mixture on offense to play with Delaware Valley and probably win a couple games if they were to make the playoffs. Like the Widener jerseys today too.

My preseason pick to win the MAC, and the current #15 in the country per the poll, had better do a lot more than "having the defense and mixture on offense to play with Delaware Valley" given that the game will be at home and also given that DelVal could not beat the team (Albright ) at home that Stevenson beat on the road. Not only did I pick Stevenson before the season started but once they beat Albright on the road, the conference was theirs to win. Once DelVal lost at home to Albright, Stevenson had a stranglehold on the MAC.

I'll stick by my prediction of Stevenson by 10 as I have been money all year. A DelVal victory would stun me.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2016, 09:28:35 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.

Stevenson has done a great job building the program and also has built in advantages of facilities and bottom line cost. DelVal has a wide receiver that transferred from Stevenson (he isn't playing much) and he's mentioned to a few people how nice the packages are for some of the players. The other advantage is the lack of proximity to clusters of other D-III programs. Misericordia is in their fifth year and they are struggling. Wilkes and King's are literally across the street from each other and about 15 minutes from Misericordia. There is not enough talent to go around, in the dying ex-coal miner region, on a consistent basis for three schools within 15 minutes of each other. Stevenson doesn't have proximity concerns like that with other D-III schools.......or they would all get together and form a Maryland dominant conference instead of having to drive up to play 3 schools in Northeast PA and one in North Central NJ.

I'm sticking with the 10 point Stevenson win, although it might be a three point game with a late touchdown that makes it such. With great facilities, great financial aid packages, fertile recruiting grounds without a ton of local, proximate competition for many of those players.......especially those who want to stay close to home and don't have 5/6 options as a result  (like a Philly kid who can get to Widener, DelVal, Rowan, TCNJ, Wesley, Albright and soon-to-be Alvernia within 15 - 90 minutes).........I can see Stevenson staying at or near the top of the MAC, for as long as they are in it, for many years to come.

I can also see a MAC realignment down the road as more non-football schools add the sport (to get to 14 in the current MAC) and Stevenson is paired off with more of the schools that they compete against in all of the other sports. MAC Freedom and MAC Commonwealth in a very loose way if Alvernia is joined by Arcadia, DeSales, Messiah and who knows who else. Two divisions of 7 football playing schools. 6 conference and 4 non-conference games each year. DelVal would be with the 3 Northeast PA schools, FDU, DeSales and Arcadia. Stevenson would be with the Widener, Lycoming, Leb Val, Albright, Alvernia, Messiah group. That is years away.......if it ever happens. But remember that you did hear it here first!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2016, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 16, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.

Pep is curious about this statement. Does Stevenson sell pre-game tickets? Are you saying that anyone arriving at the game will be turned away? Can't imagine that happening at any D3 venue. Pep recalls games back in the 1960s and early 1970s when between 7,000 and 8,000 were standing-room-only in then 5,000 capacity Merrill Field at Alfred. Mind you, some of the regulars showed up at 11 a.m. for a 2 p.m. kickoff just to stand in line to get first dibs on the best seats. No one was ever turned away, to Pep's knowledge.

They do -- in fact, we mentioned the start of their season ticket package sales when I interviewed Ed Hottle on the June or July podcast. Stevenson's venue is not really configured for SRO patrons.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 17, 2016, 04:53:30 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2016, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 16, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.

Pep is curious about this statement. Does Stevenson sell pre-game tickets? Are you saying that anyone arriving at the game will be turned away? Can't imagine that happening at any D3 venue. Pep recalls games back in the 1960s and early 1970s when between 7,000 and 8,000 were standing-room-only in then 5,000 capacity Merrill Field at Alfred. Mind you, some of the regulars showed up at 11 a.m. for a 2 p.m. kickoff just to stand in line to get first dibs on the best seats. No one was ever turned away, to Pep's knowledge.

They do -- in fact, we mentioned the start of their season ticket package sales when I interviewed Ed Hottle on the June or July podcast. Stevenson's venue is not really configured for SRO patrons.

Thanks, Pat. Guess Pep missed the summer podcasts.  8-)  Pep also has since taken a look at some online pics of Mustang Stadium and can see there really isn't any place for "overflow," unless there were room for bleachers behind the visitors' bench. Pep has since recalled that most Cortaca games are "sold out."

Guess that's one of the advantages of "The Pit"...having plenty of room for overflow both in and outside the stadium, more like Clemens Stadium, which Pep visited (in addition to Crusader Stadium in Belton, TX) while on a coast-to-coast excursion in July-August.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 17, 2016, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2016, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 16, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.

Pep is curious about this statement. Does Stevenson sell pre-game tickets? Are you saying that anyone arriving at the game will be turned away? Can't imagine that happening at any D3 venue. Pep recalls games back in the 1960s and early 1970s when between 7,000 and 8,000 were standing-room-only in then 5,000 capacity Merrill Field at Alfred. Mind you, some of the regulars showed up at 11 a.m. for a 2 p.m. kickoff just to stand in line to get first dibs on the best seats. No one was ever turned away, to Pep's knowledge.

They do -- in fact, we mentioned the start of their season ticket package sales when I interviewed Ed Hottle on the June or July podcast. Stevenson's venue is not really configured for SRO patrons.

Pat, how does Coe jump from #32 (seventh in the 'others receiving votes' group) by beating the #21 team by 11 points? I know #13, #15, #21 and #22 lost but that seems like a heck of a jump given where they were the week before with 17 total points. Does it seem spot on to you.........understanding that this is not a science? Thanks!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 17, 2016, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2016, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 16, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.

Pep is curious about this statement. Does Stevenson sell pre-game tickets? Are you saying that anyone arriving at the game will be turned away? Can't imagine that happening at any D3 venue. Pep recalls games back in the 1960s and early 1970s when between 7,000 and 8,000 were standing-room-only in then 5,000 capacity Merrill Field at Alfred. Mind you, some of the regulars showed up at 11 a.m. for a 2 p.m. kickoff just to stand in line to get first dibs on the best seats. No one was ever turned away, to Pep's knowledge.

They do -- in fact, we mentioned the start of their season ticket package sales when I interviewed Ed Hottle on the June or July podcast. Stevenson's venue is not really configured for SRO patrons.

Yep they do sell tickets for the games online and do start it over the summer; but usually the only one that "sells out" is the homecoming/family weekend game. They'd be so smart to separate those and potentially get 2 sell out games. Yes, if you don't have a ticket then you won't be coming in the stadium; but they are also planning a viewing party up in Radcliffe( student center) with the TV/video feed. Usually they get 1500-2000 or so for a game, but that might change soon since they are now seeing consistent success.

As far as the stadium goes, yep there really isn't room for SRO and last year's homecoming game had a couple of people on the "hill" watching. There is only seating on one side as they have a practice 1/2 field for band and rec stuff and they put the beach volleyball courts for competition ( they just added it as a NCAA sport last year) further down on the visitor's side. The practice field area is also torn up right now as they are working on the walking bridge between Owings Mills and OM north with the school of design building and new academic center that they just opened this semester. This was the practice facilities for a while for the Ravens (NFL) and I believe Colts (NFL) too. If they wanted to add bleachers, it would mean re-configuring things and I don't see it happening right now.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2016, 08:21:08 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 17, 2016, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2016, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 16, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.

Pep is curious about this statement. Does Stevenson sell pre-game tickets? Are you saying that anyone arriving at the game will be turned away? Can't imagine that happening at any D3 venue. Pep recalls games back in the 1960s and early 1970s when between 7,000 and 8,000 were standing-room-only in then 5,000 capacity Merrill Field at Alfred. Mind you, some of the regulars showed up at 11 a.m. for a 2 p.m. kickoff just to stand in line to get first dibs on the best seats. No one was ever turned away, to Pep's knowledge.

They do -- in fact, we mentioned the start of their season ticket package sales when I interviewed Ed Hottle on the June or July podcast. Stevenson's venue is not really configured for SRO patrons.

Pat, how does Coe jump from #32 (seventh in the 'others receiving votes' group) by beating the #21 team by 11 points? I know #13, #15, #21 and #22 lost but that seems like a heck of a jump given where they were the week before with 17 total points. Does it seem spot on to you.........understanding that this is not a science? Thanks!

Yes, it seems good to me. I know you asked this question on a more related board and it was answered for you but I didn't want it to look like I was ignoring you here.

BTW, I think only two teams went on the road and beat an unbeaten team on Saturday. Whitewater was the other team to do so.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2016, 08:21:08 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 17, 2016, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2016, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 16, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.

Pep is curious about this statement. Does Stevenson sell pre-game tickets? Are you saying that anyone arriving at the game will be turned away? Can't imagine that happening at any D3 venue. Pep recalls games back in the 1960s and early 1970s when between 7,000 and 8,000 were standing-room-only in then 5,000 capacity Merrill Field at Alfred. Mind you, some of the regulars showed up at 11 a.m. for a 2 p.m. kickoff just to stand in line to get first dibs on the best seats. No one was ever turned away, to Pep's knowledge.

They do -- in fact, we mentioned the start of their season ticket package sales when I interviewed Ed Hottle on the June or July podcast. Stevenson's venue is not really configured for SRO patrons.

Pat, how does Coe jump from #32 (seventh in the 'others receiving votes' group) by beating the #21 team by 11 points? I know #13, #15, #21 and #22 lost but that seems like a heck of a jump given where they were the week before with 17 total points. Does it seem spot on to you.........understanding that this is not a science? Thanks!

Yes, it seems good to me. I know you asked this question on a more related board and it was answered for you but I didn't want it to look like I was ignoring you here.

BTW, I think only two teams went on the road and beat an unbeaten team on Saturday. Whitewater was the other team to do so.

Thanks Pat!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 18, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 17, 2016, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2016, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 16, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.

Pep is curious about this statement. Does Stevenson sell pre-game tickets? Are you saying that anyone arriving at the game will be turned away? Can't imagine that happening at any D3 venue. Pep recalls games back in the 1960s and early 1970s when between 7,000 and 8,000 were standing-room-only in then 5,000 capacity Merrill Field at Alfred. Mind you, some of the regulars showed up at 11 a.m. for a 2 p.m. kickoff just to stand in line to get first dibs on the best seats. No one was ever turned away, to Pep's knowledge.

They do -- in fact, we mentioned the start of their season ticket package sales when I interviewed Ed Hottle on the June or July podcast. Stevenson's venue is not really configured for SRO patrons.

Yep they do sell tickets for the games online and do start it over the summer; but usually the only one that "sells out" is the homecoming/family weekend game. They'd be so smart to separate those and potentially get 2 sell out games. Yes, if you don't have a ticket then you won't be coming in the stadium; but they are also planning a viewing party up in Radcliffe( student center) with the TV/video feed. Usually they get 1500-2000 or so for a game, but that might change soon since they are now seeing consistent success.

As far as the stadium goes, yep there really isn't room for SRO and last year's homecoming game had a couple of people on the "hill" watching. There is only seating on one side as they have a practice 1/2 field for band and rec stuff and they put the beach volleyball courts for competition ( they just added it as a NCAA sport last year) further down on the visitor's side. The practice field area is also torn up right now as they are working on the walking bridge between Owings Mills and OM north with the school of design building and new academic center that they just opened this semester. This was the practice facilities for a while for the Ravens (NFL) and I believe Colts (NFL) too. If they wanted to add bleachers, it would mean re-configuring things and I don't see it happening right now.

I believe Dave mentioned on this board last year about Stevenson's stadium expansion plan briefly. Additionally, as a student at Stevenson University, I've heard talk about possible expansion. I believe it's been mentioned that eventually Stevenson would like to build the other side of the stadium near the visitor sideline to complete the stadium. Just like everything else Stevenson does, they will build it top class; just like the current side of the stadium. I'm not sure how it will be done with the beach volleyball courts recently built near the stadium field, but I believe they already have accounted for this. Maybe when they do decide to build this other side, the beach volleyball courts will be built on the new Rosewood property Stevenson is about to acquire. That property is huge, I believe something like 200 acres! I know the plan is to get to 10,000 students eventually, so expansion will be needed along with more fans coming too! The program success will continue to build a growing fan base! Anyways, maybe Dave can return to the board to speak on this again. I can't wait for that moment when they do decide to do stadium expansion!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2016, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 18, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 17, 2016, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2016, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 16, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: wone3 on October 16, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
The defense for Stevenson was there last year and they graduated some but not all from that side of the ball. The offense was a new one for them last year and they went thru a couple of QB's last year. The offense seems to have found itself this year and a lot of the "core" are juniors or younger. Not bad for a team in less than 10 years of existence.

Del Val is going to be a battle but it is also Homecoming/Family weekend and already sold out. I'm looking forward to a dynamite game next week.

JM I won't make my prediction either yet but I think 10 points is the max for a difference. Del Val's QB mobility has me worried; he has proven being able to run as well as pass and an earlier game, the D didn't do a great job with that. I'm thinking a 3-7 point game and nip-tuck all the way. I'd like to be able to breathe and enjoy it ( maybe similar to what happened with widener last year, where they went out big in first half and hung on); but I'm not even close to expecting it.

Pep is curious about this statement. Does Stevenson sell pre-game tickets? Are you saying that anyone arriving at the game will be turned away? Can't imagine that happening at any D3 venue. Pep recalls games back in the 1960s and early 1970s when between 7,000 and 8,000 were standing-room-only in then 5,000 capacity Merrill Field at Alfred. Mind you, some of the regulars showed up at 11 a.m. for a 2 p.m. kickoff just to stand in line to get first dibs on the best seats. No one was ever turned away, to Pep's knowledge.

They do -- in fact, we mentioned the start of their season ticket package sales when I interviewed Ed Hottle on the June or July podcast. Stevenson's venue is not really configured for SRO patrons.

Yep they do sell tickets for the games online and do start it over the summer; but usually the only one that "sells out" is the homecoming/family weekend game. They'd be so smart to separate those and potentially get 2 sell out games. Yes, if you don't have a ticket then you won't be coming in the stadium; but they are also planning a viewing party up in Radcliffe( student center) with the TV/video feed. Usually they get 1500-2000 or so for a game, but that might change soon since they are now seeing consistent success.

As far as the stadium goes, yep there really isn't room for SRO and last year's homecoming game had a couple of people on the "hill" watching. There is only seating on one side as they have a practice 1/2 field for band and rec stuff and they put the beach volleyball courts for competition ( they just added it as a NCAA sport last year) further down on the visitor's side. The practice field area is also torn up right now as they are working on the walking bridge between Owings Mills and OM north with the school of design building and new academic center that they just opened this semester. This was the practice facilities for a while for the Ravens (NFL) and I believe Colts (NFL) too. If they wanted to add bleachers, it would mean re-configuring things and I don't see it happening right now.

I believe Dave mentioned on this board last year about Stevenson's stadium expansion plan briefly. Additionally, as a student at Stevenson University, I've heard talk about possible expansion. I believe it's been mentioned that eventually Stevenson would like to build the other side of the stadium near the visitor sideline to complete the stadium. Just like everything else Stevenson does, they will build it top class; just like the current side of the stadium. I'm not sure how it will be done with the beach volleyball courts recently built near the stadium field, but I believe they already have accounted for this. Maybe when they do decide to build this other side, the beach volleyball courts will be built on the new Rosewood property Stevenson is about to acquire. That property is huge, I believe something like 200 acres! I know the plan is to get to 10,000 students eventually, so expansion will be needed along with more fans coming too! The program success will continue to build a growing fan base! Anyways, maybe Dave can return to the board to speak on this again. I can't wait for that moment when they do decide to do stadium expansion!

Looking at the student population of the average MAC school now, if Stevenson gets much larger, let alone to 10,000 students (2X the size of Villanova :) ) I can see them departing or being asked to depart the MAC, maybe for a conference like the NJAC with much larger schools like Rowan, Montclair State, etc.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2016, 09:37:12 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 18, 2016, 06:20:49 PM
jmcozenlaw: D3 New York University has 20,000-plus undergraduates. I'm not aware of any sentiment to "force" them to join a different conference or move "down" to a "higher" division.  :)

Things they are a changing..........and I did not come up with the "Stevenson to 10,000 students" thing on my own. Believe me. No names though. I would have never thought of it had I not heard it a few times in the past several months and I personally doubt that it ever happens. Montclair is huge and they aren't going anywhere as well.

I do predict that 10 years out, we will look back and see quite a bit of conference reshuffling.........and having nothing to do with the phony, false narrative called the bogus "like minded institutions". That is hogwash!!

When you have the resources of a Stevenson and the additional resources that will come to bear with 10,000+ students, they will have huge competitive advantages from a facilities and "package" standpoint, not to mention of the lack of proximate D-III institutions competing for talent.

I predicted Stevenson to win the MAC this year and will also go out on a thick limb and predict that they will be at or near the top year in and year out.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2016, 09:44:44 AM
Warren, it is nice to see you still opining here once in a while. The board has been dying a slow death as PBR, bman, simba and bill have entered the Witness Protection program and me and newbies like wone and tweisman are trying to hold it together with our weekly predictions. We have LebVal, DelVal and Stevenson regulars.............but Lyco, Widener and FDU have left the room and I'm not sure that we ever had any Albright, King's, Wilkes contributors of note. Makes me slightly jealous of the constant action on some of the other boards. I adopted DelVal (as a Swarthmore grad) having moved to bucolic Doylestown 20 years ago. I may adopt a team in a few other conferences to get my "board fix" each week. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 19, 2016, 10:59:06 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2016, 09:44:44 AM
Warren, it is nice to see you still opining here once in a while. The board has been dying a slow death as PBR, bman, simba and bill have entered the Witness Protection program and me and newbies like wone and tweisman are trying to hold it together with our weekly predictions. We have LebVal, DelVal and Stevenson regulars.............but Lyco, Widener and FDU have left the room and I'm not sure that we ever had any Albright, King's, Wilkes contributors of note. Makes me slightly jealous of the constant action on some of the other boards. I adopted DelVal (as a Swarthmore grad) having moved to bucolic Doylestown 20 years ago. I may adopt a team in a few other conferences to get my "board fix" each week. :)

We've got a similar problem in the E8 as we have only a couple of Ithaca Bomber posters remaining (and one of them is now out on maternity leave), two or three Alfred posters and then some Fisher posters who get peeved by one of their own who seems disgruntled with the 2016 defense. Come on over the Empire 8 and see what you can stir up!


But Pep has had some interesting off-season monologues!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 12:33:37 AM
Week 8 picks:

Start with the easier ones

Widener 42 vs Misercordia 7 - The 7 for Misercordia is late in game

Albright 24 vs Wilkes 17 Wilkes is such a "wild card" but just can't see anything good and Albright is holding on for playoff chances

Kings 17 vs FDU 21 When you can't seem to put Misercordia away, and an improving home team; you get a game like this. Kings certainly could pull this out, but I'm not sold yet.

Leb Valley 10  vs Lyco 24- normally this would be a more straight forward pick; but both teams aren't good this year.  Lyco has more firepower and still wants to play the spoiler in later weeks.

Finally the match-up for the potential MAC

Del Val 24 vs Stevenson 28- Homecoming with the crowd should help this game...it will be nip and tuck with the wind. Both want the auto bid and probably the loser will get the home game for the MAC/ Centennial bowl match up as 1st runner up in the conference in my book. These 2 are the top of the league right now with Albright and Widener a small step behind
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on October 21, 2016, 08:45:37 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2016, 09:44:44 AM
Warren, it is nice to see you still opining here once in a while. The board has been dying a slow death as PBR, bman, simba and bill have entered the Witness Protection program and me and newbies like wone and tweisman are trying to hold it together with our weekly predictions. We have LebVal, DelVal and Stevenson regulars.............but Lyco, Widener and FDU have left the room and I'm not sure that we ever had any Albright, King's, Wilkes contributors of note. Makes me slightly jealous of the constant action on some of the other boards. I adopted DelVal (as a Swarthmore grad) having moved to bucolic Doylestown 20 years ago. I may adopt a team in a few other conferences to get my "board fix" each week. :)

The Dutchmen faithful would ****ing love to have you over on the LL thread rooting for the U!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 21, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 12:33:37 AM
Week 8 picks:

Start with the easier ones

Widener 42 vs Misercordia 7 - The 7 for Misercordia is late in game

Albright 24 vs Wilkes 17 Wilkes is such a "wild card" but just can't see anything good and Albright is holding on for playoff chances

Kings 17 vs FDU 21 When you can't seem to put Misercordia away, and an improving home team; you get a game like this. Kings certainly could pull this out, but I'm not sold yet.

Leb Valley 10  vs Lyco 24- normally this would be a more straight forward pick; but both teams aren't good this year.  Lyco has more firepower and still wants to play the spoiler in later weeks.

Finally the match-up for the potential MAC

Del Val 24 vs Stevenson 28- Homecoming with the crowd should help this game...it will be nip and tuck with the wind. Both want the auto bid and probably the loser will get the home game for the MAC/ Centennial bowl match up as 1st runner up in the conference in my book. These 2 are the top of the league right now with Albright and Widener a small step behind

If Del Val wins, I believe Stevenson has a good chance to go, especially if they lose in a close one and Albright continues to win.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 12:33:37 AM
Week 8 picks:

Start with the easier ones

Widener 42 vs Misercordia 7 - The 7 for Misercordia is late in game

Albright 24 vs Wilkes 17 Wilkes is such a "wild card" but just can't see anything good and Albright is holding on for playoff chances

Kings 17 vs FDU 21 When you can't seem to put Misercordia away, and an improving home team; you get a game like this. Kings certainly could pull this out, but I'm not sold yet.

Leb Valley 10  vs Lyco 24- normally this would be a more straight forward pick; but both teams aren't good this year.  Lyco has more firepower and still wants to play the spoiler in later weeks.

Finally the match-up for the potential MAC

Del Val 24 vs Stevenson 28- Homecoming with the crowd should help this game...it will be nip and tuck with the wind. Both want the auto bid and probably the loser will get the home game for the MAC/ Centennial bowl match up as 1st runner up in the conference in my book. These 2 are the top of the league right now with Albright and Widener a small step behind

At this point, you have to put Albright in front of DelVal as they both have one loss.............with Albright's being to the undefeated team and DelVal's being at home in the head-to-head against Albright. With a DelVal loss, they will not be the #2 team and host in the MAC/Centennial matchup........Albright will.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 11:58:29 AM
Quote from: AUPepBand on October 19, 2016, 10:59:06 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2016, 09:44:44 AM
Warren, it is nice to see you still opining here once in a while. The board has been dying a slow death as PBR, bman, simba and bill have entered the Witness Protection program and me and newbies like wone and tweisman are trying to hold it together with our weekly predictions. We have LebVal, DelVal and Stevenson regulars.............but Lyco, Widener and FDU have left the room and I'm not sure that we ever had any Albright, King's, Wilkes contributors of note. Makes me slightly jealous of the constant action on some of the other boards. I adopted DelVal (as a Swarthmore grad) having moved to bucolic Doylestown 20 years ago. I may adopt a team in a few other conferences to get my "board fix" each week. :)

We've got a similar problem in the E8 as we have only a couple of Ithaca Bomber posters remaining (and one of them is now out on maternity leave), two or three Alfred posters and then some Fisher posters who get peeved by one of their own who seems disgruntled with the 2016 defense. Come on over the Empire 8 and see what you can stir up!


But Pep has had some interesting off-season monologues!

I might just have to take you up on that Pep as losing longtimer's like PBR, bman, simba and bill have really made this board quite moribund. I do not adhere to any "we're too busy" or "life got in the way", nor do I subscribe to the "it's an outdated way to communicate" given that there is nothing like this site anywhere. We're talking a few minutes per week. Everybody walking the planet, not in a coma, has a few minutes a week.

I chalk it up to a diminished lack of interest, especially if one's team is not "all that" anymore. I have gone back to the start of the messages on the new MAC board in 2005 and find myself asking, "where the heck did all of these people go"? Did they all cross the Clinton's? ;) That's the big difference, for the vast majority, between big time D1 and D3 football. D1 fanatics take their love and pride to the grave. Most D3 fans lose it, for those that even had it, shortly after graduation, or shortly after their kids graduation (if the poster is the parent of a player). I've never understood it................but I am a bit jealous of my buddies who talk SEC football 365/24/7..............and most D3 boards go dark from mid-November - mid-August..........unless we're talking about the D1-AA programs disguised as D3 programs (hello WIAC :) ) It's a dynamic that I can not wrap my arms around. Oh well............
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 11:59:07 AM
Quote from: dlip on October 21, 2016, 08:45:37 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2016, 09:44:44 AM
Warren, it is nice to see you still opining here once in a while. The board has been dying a slow death as PBR, bman, simba and bill have entered the Witness Protection program and me and newbies like wone and tweisman are trying to hold it together with our weekly predictions. We have LebVal, DelVal and Stevenson regulars.............but Lyco, Widener and FDU have left the room and I'm not sure that we ever had any Albright, King's, Wilkes contributors of note. Makes me slightly jealous of the constant action on some of the other boards. I adopted DelVal (as a Swarthmore grad) having moved to bucolic Doylestown 20 years ago. I may adopt a team in a few other conferences to get my "board fix" each week. :)

The Dutchmen faithful would ****ing love to have you over on the LL thread rooting for the U!

I might just have to do that dlip!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 21, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 12:33:37 AM
Week 8 picks:

Start with the easier ones

Widener 42 vs Misercordia 7 - The 7 for Misercordia is late in game

Albright 24 vs Wilkes 17 Wilkes is such a "wild card" but just can't see anything good and Albright is holding on for playoff chances

Kings 17 vs FDU 21 When you can't seem to put Misercordia away, and an improving home team; you get a game like this. Kings certainly could pull this out, but I'm not sold yet.

Leb Valley 10  vs Lyco 24- normally this would be a more straight forward pick; but both teams aren't good this year.  Lyco has more firepower and still wants to play the spoiler in later weeks.

Finally the match-up for the potential MAC

Del Val 24 vs Stevenson 28- Homecoming with the crowd should help this game...it will be nip and tuck with the wind. Both want the auto bid and probably the loser will get the home game for the MAC/ Centennial bowl match up as 1st runner up in the conference in my book. These 2 are the top of the league right now with Albright and Widener a small step behind

If Del Val wins, I believe Stevenson has a good chance to go, especially if they lose in a close one and Albright continues to win.

I don't think DelVal has a prayer, but I agree that Stevenson goes if DelVal gets the auto bid and Stevenson runs the table, which they should easily.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 12:29:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2016, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2016, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 29, 2016, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24

I'm going to throw a curveball or two in here on my 2016 season predictions:

1. Stevenson (the key DelVal game is at home and getting better at the higher level transfer gig..........but not Rowan in the 90's ;) )
2. Albright (6 first place votes by MAC coaches and everybody back of significance from last year's MAC Champion)
3. DelVal (Stevenson on the road + the annual loss vs. a team that you shouldn't lose to.........at Wilkes in 2015)
4. Widener (excellent defense and solid running game)
5. Lycoming (may surprise with what they have at RB/QB and all they have back from last year)
6. King's (might be better than most think)
7. Wilkes (same as King's)
8. Leb Valley (too many decent teams in the MAC)
9. FDU (best receiver in the conference is the highlight)
10. Misericordia (they replaced a running QB........with a running QB........the long slog continues)

On another note, to those who don't think a 1st round draft pick, a 4th and the 2017 cap space now freed up to resign Bennie Logan was a criminal haul for an oft-injured QB who was gone after this season.........I want to sit next to you at the poker table and take all of your money! ;)

I'm not one to toot my own "predicting horn" (although bman has done so for me over the years...........I do quite well with the NFL as well ;) ) but in my September 4 post above, I've got Stevenson, Albright and DelVal, followed by Widener........and it is playing out just like I thought. Stevenson now has an even clearer path with the DelVal game at home and Albright out of the way.

Sometimes you just have to say, "damn, I'm good"........or, "damn, I'm lucky" :)

Stevenson runs the table as does Albright. DelVal loses at Stevenson and at Widener. Stevenson is the only MAC school in the playoffs and gets a #4 seed in the East. Book it!! ;)

Week Five Predictions:

Bman - 34          Lycosimba - 16 (I'm hoping this game brings my two friends back to the board. Lycosimba needs the game to stay alive. Bman needs it to stay undefeated with Albright and Stevenson both coming to Chester)
Wilkes - 27         FDU - 20 (Not a whole lot to say........although the FDU Women's Hoops Team looks damn good again)
Stevenson - 40   Miserables - 10 (My MAC preseason favorite....see above....will whack Les Miserables up in Dallas. Speaking of which........the Cowboys stink!!!)
Albright - 33       King's - 13 (The preseason choice of 6 of the 9 head coaches.....not including Albright's as you can't vote for yourself.....will put it to King's up in Reading)
DelVal - 23         LebVal - 17 (Weather could affect the Battle of the Valley's. The Aggies might have blown the season last week as Stevenson and Widener both control their own destiny)


The Eagles have a bye this week so Ginger Jesus (Carson Wentz) will not be torching anybody's team. He (and the defense) made the Steelers look like Misericordia!! ;)

The All Points Bulletin stays in effect for bman and simba, especially since we never heard from either of them before or after their epic showdown in Williamsport last week. I hope that they are ok. They are my textbook examples of "waning interest syndrome" in small school football. Nonetheless, we must carry on............

Week Six Predictions:

King's - 37    Miserables - 14 (I really have no comment on the game, so I'll wait for the King's and Miserables posters...........and wait..........and wait..........and wait ;) )
Lycosimba - 30  FDU - 20 (Although last week's home loss to bman ruined any chance of a MAC title, they are playing this game for simba and his safe and healthy return :) )
Widenerbman - 40   LebVal - 10 (After what DelVal did to LebVal in the "Battle of the Val's", Widener will roll. Widener & Stevenson control their own destiny and Widener has each of the Big Three at home & none back-to-back)

Carson Wentz comes back to earth a bit, but the surprise of the NFL.......the Eagles (3rd worst Superbowl odds on the pre-game one Vegas line) get to 4-0.

With bman and Lycosimba joining the ranks of the other long time departed posters, I guess that it's now just me, wone and tweisman (not counting the occasional check-in from kate, Gordon and Pat). Kind of a bummer...........

Week Seven Predictions:
Albright - 37          FDU - 14 (The preseason pick of six of the nine non-Albright head coaches rolls at home)
Stevenson - 20      Widenerbman - 13 (Widener could take over control of the conference with a win, but I'm going with my preseason MAC Champ pick in a slugfest in beautiful Chester)
DelVal - 34            Wilkes - 20 (DelVal has revenge for last year's disaster at Wilkes. If Wilkes plays like they did at Widener, this will be close. If not, it could be a blowout)

Wentzmania continues out of control in the Greater Philadelphia Area as it is mind boggling what a kid, with 23 starts at D1-AA (or as we jokingly call it.......the Mount Union/UWW level ;) ) North Dakota State is doing........especially with only one NFL caliber wide receiver. Can't wait until he gets some weapons over the next couple of seasons!!

With candles still lit for the safe return of our missing brethren...........bman, simba and PBR (and I'll also throw bill in there), here we go:

Week Eight Predictions:
LycoMIATeam&Simba - 34          LebVal - 14 (Lyco took Widener to OT at home a couple of weeks ago. LebVal lost by a combined 82-6, at home, to Widener and DelVal. Lyco rolls at home for Simba)
Widenerbman - 48           Miserables - 13 (Widener licks it's wounds and takes it out on Miserables. Knowing that they still have a shot at the MAC with Albright and DelVal at home)
FDU - 30                         King's - 27 (FDU might just throw the ball 60 times. Imagine the passing game with the WR, who pulled a Kevin Durant and transferred to Mount Youngstown Union State)
Albright - 47                   Wilkes - 13 (Not much to say, although I could say quite a bit about the "funny stuff" going on at Albright. Alvernia can't start up the program soon enough. Karma!!!)

.........and now the biggie............

Stevenson - 34              DelVal - 20

Stevenson was my preseason pick (see above in the post) to win the MAC. I had DelVal third (behind Albright) and I still feel that this is how it plays out. DelVal's year is 2017.

Stevenson has a solid running game, an excellent passing game and athletes all over the place on both offense and defense. Their special teams are superb and this was fully on display last week on the road at Widener. DelVal has a solid running game as well but is a notch below Stevenson's pass game. I think that the defenses are close but Stevenson has a big special teams advantage. Combine that with a home game and the knowledge that the balance of the schedule consists of quasi-bye's and I see a two touchdown victory by Stevenson.

DelVal's only shot is to win the turnover game by at least two or three and that hasn't come close to happening for any team playing Stevenson. Had DelVal beaten Albright, I probably would have picked a closer score but would have still stuck by my preseason guns in picking Stevenson to beat DelVal and to win the conference.

Stevenson runs the table and finishes 10-0 and gets a #3 seed in the East and wins one playoff game
Albright goes 9-1 and hosts the MAC/Centennial game
The DelVal @ Widener winner finishes with two conference losses and goes on the road in the MAC/Centennial game........the loser licks it's wounds and gets ready for 2017 with a ton of returning players.........underclassmen and key returning injured players.

Vikings - 13        Eagles - 10 (The Vikings defense is the real deal)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 21, 2016, 02:11:24 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 21, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 12:33:37 AM
Week 8 picks:

Start with the easier ones

Widener 42 vs Misercordia 7 - The 7 for Misercordia is late in game

Albright 24 vs Wilkes 17 Wilkes is such a "wild card" but just can't see anything good and Albright is holding on for playoff chances

Kings 17 vs FDU 21 When you can't seem to put Misercordia away, and an improving home team; you get a game like this. Kings certainly could pull this out, but I'm not sold yet.

Leb Valley 10  vs Lyco 24- normally this would be a more straight forward pick; but both teams aren't good this year.  Lyco has more firepower and still wants to play the spoiler in later weeks.

Finally the match-up for the potential MAC

Del Val 24 vs Stevenson 28- Homecoming with the crowd should help this game...it will be nip and tuck with the wind. Both want the auto bid and probably the loser will get the home game for the MAC/ Centennial bowl match up as 1st runner up in the conference in my book. These 2 are the top of the league right now with Albright and Widener a small step behind

If Del Val wins, I believe Stevenson has a good chance to go, especially if they lose in a close one and Albright continues to win.

I don't think DelVal has a prayer, but I agree that Stevenson goes if DelVal gets the auto bid and Stevenson runs the table, which they should easily.

Jm, I disagree.  I have seen both teams play this year.  If Del Val employs the same type of defense that they did against Wesley I think they will be able to stop much of what Stevenson does.  I was not overwhelmed by the offense that I saw from Stevenson.  They are just average in both the run and passing games.  I also think that Stevenson will be able to control Del Val's offense because Del Val did not do anything special against Wesley either.  Both teams had better than average special teams.  As always turnovers will be the key.  I think Del Val wins this game in a close one.  I don't think either team will be affected by the high winds being predicted for the east this weekend since neither team relies on the long passing game to move the ball.  Should be a good game.  Several good ones in the east this week.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 21, 2016, 02:11:24 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 21, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 12:33:37 AM
Week 8 picks:

Start with the easier ones

Widener 42 vs Misercordia 7 - The 7 for Misercordia is late in game

Albright 24 vs Wilkes 17 Wilkes is such a "wild card" but just can't see anything good and Albright is holding on for playoff chances

Kings 17 vs FDU 21 When you can't seem to put Misercordia away, and an improving home team; you get a game like this. Kings certainly could pull this out, but I'm not sold yet.

Leb Valley 10  vs Lyco 24- normally this would be a more straight forward pick; but both teams aren't good this year.  Lyco has more firepower and still wants to play the spoiler in later weeks.

Finally the match-up for the potential MAC

Del Val 24 vs Stevenson 28- Homecoming with the crowd should help this game...it will be nip and tuck with the wind. Both want the auto bid and probably the loser will get the home game for the MAC/ Centennial bowl match up as 1st runner up in the conference in my book. These 2 are the top of the league right now with Albright and Widener a small step behind

If Del Val wins, I believe Stevenson has a good chance to go, especially if they lose in a close one and Albright continues to win.

I don't think DelVal has a prayer, but I agree that Stevenson goes if DelVal gets the auto bid and Stevenson runs the table, which they should easily.

Jm, I disagree.  I have seen both teams play this year.  If Del Val employs the same type of defense that they did against Wesley I think they will be able to stop much of what Stevenson does.  I was not overwhelmed by the offense that I saw from Stevenson.  They are just average in both the run and passing games.  I also think that Stevenson will be able to control Del Val's offense because Del Val did not do anything special against Wesley either.  Both teams had better than average special teams.  As always turnovers will be the key.  I think Del Val wins this game in a close one.  I don't think either team will be affected by the high winds being predicted for the east this weekend since neither team relies on the long passing game to move the ball.  Should be a good game.  Several good ones in the east this week.

Disagreement is what built and continues to grow the sports books and palaces out in Vegas. ;) I don't think that I have been overwhelmed by any offense in the MAC or NJAC this year, from the beginning of the year up to now. DelVal's long passing game has become a bigger part of the offense as the season has progressed. They hit on the types of long, open passes that they missed on in the opener at Wesley. I think crappy weather hurts DelVal a little more than Stevenson.........although Stevenson's passing yardage is approaching twice the running yardage. DelVal has a stout run defense but you can chuck the ball all over the field on them if they don't get pressure.

I can't go back on my preseason prediction of Stevenson winning the conference, followed by Albright, DelVal and Widener.......and that's how it probably plays out with a Stevenson win.

I'm hoping for a good game as well, both in Maryland and up and down the East Coast. I just ran 6 miles in 80 degree weather near DelVal's campus.........I can't believe what we are looking at from a weather standpoint come the morning hours. Depressing!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 21, 2016, 04:53:56 PM
QuoteI don't think either team will be affected by the high winds being predicted for the east this weekend since neither team relies on the long passing game to move the ball.

Maybe not against Wesley, but deep throws are a large part of Del Val's offense. For the last two seasons, the passing game is primarily screen passes and deep routes. Del Val rarely throws across the middle any more.

If they can't throw the ball deep tomorrow -- or at least threaten to do so -- that's a big problem.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 21, 2016, 04:53:56 PM
QuoteI don't think either team will be affected by the high winds being predicted for the east this weekend since neither team relies on the long passing game to move the ball.

Maybe not against Wesley, but deep throws are a large part of Del Val's offense. For the last two seasons, the passing game is primarily screen passes and deep routes. Del Val rarely throws across the middle any more.

If they can't throw the ball deep tomorrow -- or at least threaten to do so -- that's a big problem.

That's what I mentioned to wesleydad. DelVal missed at least two, maybe three open receivers against Wesley that may very well have gone for touchdowns. The weather turns this game from a probable Stevenson win to near certain win. In my humble opinion. :)

Gordon, maybe it's a good thing that you aren't doing the road games this year as you might have been screwed out of getting into the stadium like tons of Aggie family members and fans. I hope Cantrell responds in kind next year as 2017 should be DelVal's year given their youth and a couple of the players coming back from injury and non-injury situations.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 11:50:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 12:33:37 AM
Week 8 picks:

Start with the easier ones

Widener 42 vs Misercordia 7 - The 7 for Misercordia is late in game

Albright 24 vs Wilkes 17 Wilkes is such a "wild card" but just can't see anything good and Albright is holding on for playoff chances

Kings 17 vs FDU 21 When you can't seem to put Misercordia away, and an improving home team; you get a game like this. Kings certainly could pull this out, but I'm not sold yet.

Leb Valley 10  vs Lyco 24- normally this would be a more straight forward pick; but both teams aren't good this year.  Lyco has more firepower and still wants to play the spoiler in later weeks.

Finally the match-up for the potential MAC

Del Val 24 vs Stevenson 28- Homecoming with the crowd should help this game...it will be nip and tuck with the wind. Both want the auto bid and probably the loser will get the home game for the MAC/ Centennial bowl match up as 1st runner up in the conference in my book. These 2 are the top of the league right now with Albright and Widener a small step behind

At this point, you have to put Albright in front of DelVal as they both have one loss.............with Albright's being to the undefeated team and DelVal's being at home in the head-to-head against Albright. With a DelVal loss, they will not be the #2 team and host in the MAC/Centennial matchup........Albright will.

Get what you are saying but not sold on Albright...think they are shaky and I think Widener can take them next week. They also have Leb Valley in the last week and while I don't see them losing to them, if they get cocky or overlook them then Leb Valley could knock them off.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 22, 2016, 06:29:15 AM
Week 8 Predictions:

Del Val@Stevenson: Stevenson wins a close game by 3 points

Kings@FDU: Kings wins by 7 points

Leb Val@Lycoming: Lycoming wins a close game by 3 points

Albright@Wilkes: Albright wins by 24 points

Widener@Misericordia: Widener wins by 21 points

Week 8 Conference Rankings:

1. Stevenson
2. Del Val
3. Albright
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. FDU
7. Lycoming
8. Leb Val
9. Wilkes
10. Misericordia

This week includes a great matchup of games, but the Stevenson game will be exciting and expecting to be close throughout. I'm expecting the home crowd will assist Stevenson with pulling through.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2016, 06:36:43 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 11:50:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 12:33:37 AM
Week 8 picks:

Start with the easier ones

Widener 42 vs Misercordia 7 - The 7 for Misercordia is late in game

Albright 24 vs Wilkes 17 Wilkes is such a "wild card" but just can't see anything good and Albright is holding on for playoff chances

Kings 17 vs FDU 21 When you can't seem to put Misercordia away, and an improving home team; you get a game like this. Kings certainly could pull this out, but I'm not sold yet.

Leb Valley 10  vs Lyco 24- normally this would be a more straight forward pick; but both teams aren't good this year.  Lyco has more firepower and still wants to play the spoiler in later weeks.

Finally the match-up for the potential MAC

Del Val 24 vs Stevenson 28- Homecoming with the crowd should help this game...it will be nip and tuck with the wind. Both want the auto bid and probably the loser will get the home game for the MAC/ Centennial bowl match up as 1st runner up in the conference in my book. These 2 are the top of the league right now with Albright and Widener a small step behind

At this point, you have to put Albright in front of DelVal as they both have one loss.............with Albright's being to the undefeated team and DelVal's being at home in the head-to-head against Albright. With a DelVal loss, they will not be the #2 team and host in the MAC/Centennial matchup........Albright will.

Get what you are saying but not sold on Albright...think they are shaky and I think Widener can take them next week. They also have Leb Valley in the last week and while I don't see them losing to them, if they get cocky or overlook them then Leb Valley could knock them off.

LebVal just lost on consecutive weekends at home to DelVal and Widener, 82-6. Albright beat DelVal at DelVal. The odds of Albright beating LebVal are slim to none........and slim left town a long time ago. ;)

I haven't seen a shaky Albright other than that 3rd quarter at home against Stevenson with the turnovers. I'm still going with Stevenson, Albright and DelVal in that order as I did in mid-August.

Where's tweisman??? This board is pretty much down to a Swarthmore grad who adopted DelVal when he moved to Doylestown 21 years ago........a Lyco grad who is a temporary Stevenson fan given that her child attends the school and tweisman, who I believe is either a Stevenson student or a recent grad. We need more juice before they pull the plug or consolidate us with another board like the NJAC  :o
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2016, 06:40:11 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 22, 2016, 06:29:15 AM
Week 8 Predictions:

Del Val@Stevenson: Stevenson wins a close game by 3 points

Kings@FDU: Kings wins by 7 points

Leb Val@Lycoming: Lycoming wins a close game by 3 points

Albright@Wilkes: Albright wins by 24 points

Widener@Misericordia: Widener wins by 21 points

Week 8 Conference Rankings:

1. Stevenson
2. Del Val
3. Albright
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. FDU
7. Lycoming
8. Leb Val
9. Wilkes
10. Misericordia

This week includes a great matchup of games, but the Stevenson game will be exciting and expecting to be close throughout. I'm expecting the home crowd will assist Stevenson with pulling through.

You can't put a team (Albright) below a team (DelVal) that it beat on it's opponent's turf and who's only conference loss is to the undefeated team. DelVal might beat them 6 out of 10 times but in the one time that they did play, on DelVal's home turf.......Albright beat them fair and square. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HSCTiger74 on October 22, 2016, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2016, 06:36:43 AM
LebVal just lost on consecutive weekends at home to DelVal and Widener, 82-6. Albright beat DelVal at DelVal. The odds of Albright beating LebVal are slim to none........and slim left town a long time ago. ;)

I haven't seen a shaky Albright other than that 3rd quarter at home against Stevenson with the turnovers. I'm still going with Stevenson, Albright and DelVal in that order as I did in mid-August.

Where's tweisman??? This board is pretty much down to a Swarthmore grad who adopted DelVal when he moved to Doylestown 21 years ago........a Lyco grad who is a temporary Stevenson fan given that her child attends the school and tweisman, who I believe is either a Stevenson student or a recent grad. We need more juice before they pull the plug or consolidate us with another board like the NJAC  :o

  If they haven't pulled the plug on the UMAC board you guys should be pretty safe. Only seven posts since the beginning of the 2015 season (none since November), and most of those were MIAC drop-ins prior to the start of the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2016, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on October 22, 2016, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2016, 06:36:43 AM
LebVal just lost on consecutive weekends at home to DelVal and Widener, 82-6. Albright beat DelVal at DelVal. The odds of Albright beating LebVal are slim to none........and slim left town a long time ago. ;)

I haven't seen a shaky Albright other than that 3rd quarter at home against Stevenson with the turnovers. I'm still going with Stevenson, Albright and DelVal in that order as I did in mid-August.

Where's tweisman??? This board is pretty much down to a Swarthmore grad who adopted DelVal when he moved to Doylestown 21 years ago........a Lyco grad who is a temporary Stevenson fan given that her child attends the school and tweisman, who I believe is either a Stevenson student or a recent grad. We need more juice before they pull the plug or consolidate us with another board like the NJAC  :o

  If they haven't pulled the plug on the UMAC board you guys should be pretty safe. Only seven posts since the beginning of the 2015 season (none since November), and most of those were MIAC drop-ins prior to the start of the playoffs.

It is amazing how quickly 99.9% of D-3 fans lose interest so quickly.......................while 88 year old men from many D-1 schools will be buried in their school's colors.

The disparity in interest boggles my mind. Oh well..........I'll be here even if I'm just posting to myself while my nurses clean the drool from my mouth and change my diaper (not now.........many years down the road) ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2016, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2016, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on October 21, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 21, 2016, 12:33:37 AM
Week 8 picks:

Start with the easier ones

Widener 42 vs Misercordia 7 - The 7 for Misercordia is late in game

Albright 24 vs Wilkes 17 Wilkes is such a "wild card" but just can't see anything good and Albright is holding on for playoff chances

Kings 17 vs FDU 21 When you can't seem to put Misercordia away, and an improving home team; you get a game like this. Kings certainly could pull this out, but I'm not sold yet.

Leb Valley 10  vs Lyco 24- normally this would be a more straight forward pick; but both teams aren't good this year.  Lyco has more firepower and still wants to play the spoiler in later weeks.

Finally the match-up for the potential MAC

Del Val 24 vs Stevenson 28- Homecoming with the crowd should help this game...it will be nip and tuck with the wind. Both want the auto bid and probably the loser will get the home game for the MAC/ Centennial bowl match up as 1st runner up in the conference in my book. These 2 are the top of the league right now with Albright and Widener a small step behind

If Del Val wins, I believe Stevenson has a good chance to go, especially if they lose in a close one and Albright continues to win.

I don't think DelVal has a prayer, but I agree that Stevenson goes if DelVal gets the auto bid and Stevenson runs the table, which they should easily.

The DelVal "not having a prayer" (in the post right above) seems prophetic at halftime. DelVal has run 28 plays (not including the punter picking up 11 yards on a run) for 48 yards. The long passing game has no prayer in this weather and the QB is 2-5 for 10 yards with no completions to a WR or TE.

I said that Stevenson had athletes all over the field on defense and that DelVal's only shot was to win the turnover battle. One fumble inside their own 10 yard line leads to score number one........followed by score number two coming on a Pick Six.

I wish that they had gambling lines on D-3 games (I would have set the line at Stevenson -9.5)...............I'd be a wealthy man. Now the pros are another matter! ;)

I picked Stevenson to win the conference in mid-August, picked DelVal to finish third behind them and Albright (who beat them head-to-head on the road) and ahead of Widener, which if they get blown out today, I see them packing in their bags, beating FDU and Lycoming in much closer games than expected and losing at Widener to finish fourth.

I had this game as a 34-20 Stevenson victory. I don't necessarily see Stevenson getting to 34 unless DelVal gets even sloppier trying to catch up. I also don't see the Aggies scoring 20 unless they can force a turnover or two which will be tough as Stevenson should just run the ball in the second half as the Aggies offense is inept against a good defense (see Albright, Stevenson and Widener in a few weeks).

I would say to let some of the younger players play out the string.............but the Aggies bring back 19 out of 22 starters, their kicker and punter, and three players who saw significant time in 2015 who are either injured or sitting 2016 out for other reasons (or so I've been told).

It was fun while it lasted................bring on wrestling and Men's hoops!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 22, 2016, 03:17:56 PM
Dejected fan here :'(, but credit where it's due - Stevenson played very well.  Their defense is awesome.  Congrats.  Please win out DVU!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 22, 2016, 11:07:12 PM
Congrats to Stevenson for the win today.  Handled Del Val rather easily.  Took advantage of mistakes as good teams do.  Not much left to do but win out.  Del Val and the NJAC will be 1 team leagues this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 23, 2016, 12:29:47 PM
That was probably the best I've seen the Stevenson D in 2 years. Even against the blowout games. They played solid!!! Was shocked by the score and the way it was happening but I said that last year also for homecoming game. Think it will be an interesting time for the next month or so.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 23, 2016, 12:53:03 PM
Watch the whole Stevenson vs. Delaware Valley game and didn't realize how good Stevenson defense really was, they really have a talented bunch. I think the offense stalled a few times which prevented them from scoring a few times, but everytime Del Val had some momentum, which is a hard thing to stop sometimes, the defense stepped up big time. I think if the offense can finish some drives and impose their will, they look to be a 3 round playoff team and maybe (just maybe) play spoiler.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 23, 2016, 02:40:37 PM
The defense has been there the past 2 years; but that had to be the most complete dominate game they have played as a defensive unit. They made a couple STUPID penalties in there; but it was a definite shock how complete of a game the D played. Offense could be a bit of a question as the starting soph RB went down, and probably will be gone for season; but they are lucky to have 2 solid guys behind him that they exchange in and out all season with them anyway. I also am pretty sure the wind screwed up the offense some too yesterday cause a couple of the throws missed would normally be completed. I know the wind screwed up our kicker on several occassions.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2016, 09:32:07 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 23, 2016, 12:29:47 PM
That was probably the best I've seen the Stevenson D in 2 years. Even against the blowout games. They played solid!!! Was shocked by the score and the way it was happening but I said that last year also for homecoming game. Think it will be an interesting time for the next month or so.

Wone, you should have listened to me as I had Stevenson winning the conference in mid-August and had them winning the DelVal game by 14. With neither team being able to take advantage of their long passing games, it was going to be a game won on turnovers. DelVal fumbling inside their own 10 and throwing an interception for a touchdown...........game, set, match.

We need Vegas to set D3 lines. My line going in was Stevenson -9.5...............I would have coined it!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 24, 2016, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 24, 2016, 09:32:07 AM
Quote from: wone3 on October 23, 2016, 12:29:47 PM
That was probably the best I've seen the Stevenson D in 2 years. Even against the blowout games. They played solid!!! Was shocked by the score and the way it was happening but I said that last year also for homecoming game. Think it will be an interesting time for the next month or so.

Wone, you should have listened to me as I had Stevenson winning the conference in mid-August and had them winning the DelVal game by 14. With neither team being able to take advantage of their long passing games, it was going to be a game won on turnovers. DelVal fumbling inside their own 10 and throwing an interception for a touchdown...........game, set, match.

I give you props on the score call...would not have called it that way just on the way both teams were playing coming into the season and as the season has played out. I would have had them going 1-2 in the conference and it would be a tight call; simply cause even though Del Val is young, most of them gained a lot of good experience last year.

Again kudos..but while it is nice; fluky things happen about now and Kings would be a type of team to trip Stevenson up if they don't hold their composure and play like they should. Hoping 2 weeks to watch the clinch during senior day against Wilkes....make Lyco mean basically nothing except improve seed

We need Vegas to set D3 lines. My line going in was Stevenson -9.5...............I would have coined it!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 28, 2016, 09:51:52 AM
In mid-August, having called the conference champion (Stevenson), runner-up (Albright).......followed by DelVal and Widener (although I think the order now gets flipped as Widener beats DelVal in two weeks).......as well as nailing the Stevenson @ Albright, Albright @ DelVal and DelVal @ Stevenson games, here we go:

Week Nine Predictions:
DelVal2017 - 27            FDU - 20 (Hangover from last week's game at Stevenson. 19 of 22 starters returning in 2017. Preparation starts now. Wrestling and men's hoops around the corner)
LebVal - 30                   Miserables - 14 (Miserables Men's Hoops picked 2nd in MAC Freedom. That's all I've got)
LycoMIATeam&Simba - 34          Wilkes - 20 (Last week's LebVal game much closer than I thought. Wilkes is the perfect tonic)
Albright - 17                 WidenerMIAbman - 13 (Albright only scored 13 offensive points on DelVal. Widener's defense is better. Close game if Widener's special teams don't implode again)
MypreseasonMACChampenson - 40          King's - 13 (I've been spot on since mid-August........Stevenson closes with the MAC bottom feeders and needs to win at least two playoff games given these three weeks to rest starters early)

Cowboys - 30     Eagles - 20 (Eagles were ranked #31 on the ESPN preseason ranking of teams, ahead of the Browns, they are slipping but won't fall below the mid-20's come year end)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 28, 2016, 05:58:48 PM
Week 9 Predictions:

FDU@Del Val: Del Val wins by 35 points

Albright@Widener: Albright wins by 8 points

Misericordia@Leb Val: Leb Val wins by 15 points

Lycoming@Wilkes: Lycoming wins by 3 points

Stevenson@Kings: Stevenson wins by 20 points

Week 9 Conference Rankings:

1. Stevenson
2. Albright
3. Del Val
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. Lycoming
7. FDU
8. Leb Val
9. Wilkes
10. Misericordia
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on October 28, 2016, 11:35:18 PM
Hate having Friday night games...would have still picked Del val at least by 21 but....


LebVal - 31                   Miserables - 10 - Leb valley gets a chance to beat up on someone instead of other way around.

Lyco - 38          Wilkes - 24 - Can you lack of D's for both teams???

Albright - 17                 Widener - 24 - I think Widener can pull the trigger and win this and not quite crush Del Valley's hopes yet ( they still have to play each other)

Stevenson - 24          King's - 13- Stevenson will overall dominate this game but it won't reflect in the score..every team seems to have that one team who is pesky enough to just keep hanging around and Kings is it for the mustangs.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 28, 2016, 09:51:52 AM
In mid-August, having called the conference champion (Stevenson), runner-up (Albright).......followed by DelVal and Widener (although I think the order now gets flipped as Widener beats DelVal in two weeks).......as well as nailing the Stevenson @ Albright, Albright @ DelVal and DelVal @ Stevenson games, here we go:

Week Nine Predictions:
DelVal2017 - 27            FDU - 20 (Hangover from last week's game at Stevenson. 19 of 22 starters returning in 2017. Preparation starts now. Wrestling and men's hoops around the corner)
LebVal - 30                   Miserables - 14 (Miserables Men's Hoops picked 2nd in MAC Freedom. That's all I've got)
LycoMIATeam&Simba - 34          Wilkes - 20 (Last week's LebVal game much closer than I thought. Wilkes is the perfect tonic)
Albright - 17                 WidenerMIAbman - 13 (Albright only scored 13 offensive points on DelVal. Widener's defense is better. Close game if Widener's special teams don't implode again)
MypreseasonMACChampenson - 40          King's - 13 (I've been spot on since mid-August........Stevenson closes with the MAC bottom feeders and needs to win at least two playoff games given these three weeks to rest starters early)

Cowboys - 30     Eagles - 20 (Eagles were ranked #31 on the ESPN preseason ranking of teams, ahead of the Browns, they are slipping but won't fall below the mid-20's come year end)

With our MIA long time posters all still MIA...................here we go!!:

Week Ten Predictions:
FDU - 40          LebVal - 34 (Neither team has a defense. FDU doesn't run much. LebVal doesn't pass much)
WidenerMIAbman - 24          King's - 13 (That King's field can be a cold, wind tunnel come early November and that could affect the passing game)
ThepreseasonMACchampofsixheadcoachesbright - 55          Miserables - 10 (Miserables would whip Albright on the hardwood though ;) )
MypreseasonMACChampenson - 50          Wilkes - 13 (DelVal beat Wilkes by 29. This will be worse)
DelVal2017 - 27          LycoMIATeam&Simba - 17 (Not much to play for but a small payback for the miracle in Williamsport last year)

If they play like they did for the majority of last week: Eagles - 24     Giants - 23

The candles are still lit for the safe return of bman, simba, PBR and bill........................
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 03, 2016, 08:12:55 PM
FDU 35 Leb Valley 31- I agree no D and FDU is pass while Leb Valley is all run. Question is who will do better slowing the other team's O down

Widener 31 Kings 13 - Widener just has too much for Kings

Albright 56 Misercordia 7 Albright gets a welcome to post season most likely as the home game for MAC/Cent bowl game 1

Del Valley 42 Lyco 14 Del Valley gets revenge and  has to win out for the other MAC/Cent bowl..step 1 will happen as Lyco can't stop the pass

Stevenson 56 Wilkes 14- Welcome to the NCAA playoffs and it makes Lyco game only a worry to help seed and we'll see where they roam from there
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 04, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: wone3 on November 03, 2016, 08:12:55 PM
FDU 35 Leb Valley 31- I agree no D and FDU is pass while Leb Valley is all run. Question is who will do better slowing the other team's O down

Widener 31 Kings 13 - Widener just has too much for Kings

Albright 56 Misercordia 7 Albright gets a welcome to post season most likely as the home game for MAC/Cent bowl game 1

Del Valley 42 Lyco 14 Del Valley gets revenge and  has to win out for the other MAC/Cent bowl..step 1 will happen as Lyco can't stop the pass

Stevenson 56 Wilkes 14- Welcome to the NCAA playoffs and it makes Lyco game only a worry to help seed and we'll see where they roam from there

Wone - I think this board is pretty much down to (1) Me........a Swarthmore grad who follows DelVal because I moved out to Doylestown about 20 years ago............(2) You, a Lycoming grad but a temporary Stevenson fan as your child attends school there and (3) tweisman, I believe a current Stevenson student.

Pat Coleman..................please do not shut us down as the mothership may someday release bman, simba, PBR, bill and the dozens of other former contributors to the MAC board. When I go back to the 2005 beginnings of this new format, there were some real characters who really provided some juice. I guess my point about a very short shelf life for all but the very few DIII football diehards is spot on.

If I'm the only one left after wone's child graduates (unless she maintains interest in Lycoming as an alum) and tweisman loses interest, let me stay. Talking to myself occurs everyday.............posting to myself and responding might quicken the route towards professional help!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 04, 2016, 10:59:50 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 04, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: wone3 on November 03, 2016, 08:12:55 PM
FDU 35 Leb Valley 31- I agree no D and FDU is pass while Leb Valley is all run. Question is who will do better slowing the other team's O down

Widener 31 Kings 13 - Widener just has too much for Kings

Albright 56 Misercordia 7 Albright gets a welcome to post season most likely as the home game for MAC/Cent bowl game 1

Del Valley 42 Lyco 14 Del Valley gets revenge and  has to win out for the other MAC/Cent bowl..step 1 will happen as Lyco can't stop the pass

Stevenson 56 Wilkes 14- Welcome to the NCAA playoffs and it makes Lyco game only a worry to help seed and we'll see where they roam from there

Wone - I think this board is pretty much down to (1) Me........a Swarthmore grad who follows DelVal because I moved out to Doylestown about 20 years ago............(2) You, a Lycoming grad but a temporary Stevenson fan as your child attends school there and (3) tweisman, I believe a current Stevenson student.

Pat Coleman..................please do not shut us down as the mothership may someday release bman, simba, PBR, bill and the dozens of other former contributors to the MAC board. When I go back to the 2005 beginnings of this new format, there were some real characters who really provided some juice. I guess my point about a very short shelf life for all but the very few DIII football diehards is spot on.

If I'm the only one left after wone's child graduates (unless wone switches back to Lyco as an alum) and tweisman loses interest, let me stay. Talking to myself occurs everyday.............posting to myself and responding might quicken the route towards professional help!! ;)

Dont count me out.  I follow this almost as much as I do the NJAC board.  I can walk to Widener and have gone to Del Val many a time.  Shame that others have gone away, but I have hung around D3 for close to 10 years or so, so I am not going anywhere. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2016, 11:48:29 PM
I have no intention of shutting it down -- but what I would suggest is that your regular commentary on the subject of there not being a lot of posters is not going to help welcome people in. Talk about football, rather than talking about talking, in my opinion.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on November 05, 2016, 07:23:49 AM

jmcoz,

Have no fear.  I am one of the silent minority.  I regularly read the MAC board along with Wesdad.

I lived in PA for several years and my daughters still do.  One works in State College and the other in Altoona.

Because of past experience I like to follow Albright and Lycoming, along with Juniata and Wash&Jeff.

Having lived in many parts of the country including CA, IN, SC, CT and NM before returning to NY, it brought me near Penn ST, UCLA and Southern Cal. These were wonderful experiences but of course, none of these can compete with Alfred and the Saxons. IMHO

For anyone reading this, they probably have their own small college experience, so I don't think I have to elaborate. It is just understood.

So jmcoz, hang in there. I'm sure there is more support still, than you can imagine.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BetzlerMan on November 05, 2016, 07:52:48 AM
You are not alone as Michael Jackson would say. I'm one of those readers who reads more then he posts also. I'm a King'a Alumni and from what it looks like the first on this board.

Go Monarchs!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 04, 2016, 10:59:50 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 04, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: wone3 on November 03, 2016, 08:12:55 PM
FDU 35 Leb Valley 31- I agree no D and FDU is pass while Leb Valley is all run. Question is who will do better slowing the other team's O down

Widener 31 Kings 13 - Widener just has too much for Kings

Albright 56 Misercordia 7 Albright gets a welcome to post season most likely as the home game for MAC/Cent bowl game 1

Del Valley 42 Lyco 14 Del Valley gets revenge and  has to win out for the other MAC/Cent bowl..step 1 will happen as Lyco can't stop the pass

Stevenson 56 Wilkes 14- Welcome to the NCAA playoffs and it makes Lyco game only a worry to help seed and we'll see where they roam from there

Wone - I think this board is pretty much down to (1) Me........a Swarthmore grad who follows DelVal because I moved out to Doylestown about 20 years ago............(2) You, a Lycoming grad but a temporary Stevenson fan as your child attends school there and (3) tweisman, I believe a current Stevenson student.

Pat Coleman..................please do not shut us down as the mothership may someday release bman, simba, PBR, bill and the dozens of other former contributors to the MAC board. When I go back to the 2005 beginnings of this new format, there were some real characters who really provided some juice. I guess my point about a very short shelf life for all but the very few DIII football diehards is spot on.

If I'm the only one left after wone's child graduates (unless wone switches back to Lyco as an alum) and tweisman loses interest, let me stay. Talking to myself occurs everyday.............posting to myself and responding might quicken the route towards professional help!! ;)

Dont count me out.  I follow this almost as much as I do the NJAC board.  I can walk to Widener and have gone to Del Val many a time.  Shame that others have gone away, but I have hung around D3 for close to 10 years or so, so I am not going anywhere.

Wesleydad - I didn't forget about you as I know that you actually live in MAC country vs. NJAC country. I just know that your primary allegiance will always be to Wesley and now (for now) the NJAC. It does blow my mind how the others (bman, simba, PBR and bill) were all around and posting at the beginning of the year and all vanished at about the same time........and they were around constantly whether their teams stunk or not, so it's not that causing this situation. I'm glad you're still around my friend!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2016, 11:48:29 PM
I have no intention of shutting it down -- but what I would suggest is that your regular commentary on the subject of there not being a lot of posters is not going to help welcome people in. Talk about football, rather than talking about talking, in my opinion.

I understand Pat. I'm trying to shame some of them back in. You know firsthand that bman, simba, PBR and bill have been with you from day one and were all posting at the start of the year. Strange how they all disappeared at the same time.

Look at it another way though.............the post elicited a response from wesleydad, Saxon and, a brand new King's poster, the first that I can recall.

So something worked. Now maybe bman, simba, PBR and bill will return home, guided by the warm light of my beacon!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:09:48 AM
Quote from: BetzlerMan on November 05, 2016, 07:52:48 AM
You are not alone as Michael Jackson would say. I'm one of those readers who reads more then he posts also. I'm a King'a Alumni and from what it looks like the first on this board.

Go Monarchs!

Welcome Betzler!!!! We have been dying for a few King's posters for years. Welcome aboard my friend!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:16:20 AM
Quote from: Saxon73 on November 05, 2016, 07:23:49 AM

jmcoz,

Have no fear.  I am one of the silent minority.  I regularly read the MAC board along with Wesdad.

I lived in PA for several years and my daughters still do.  One works in State College and the other in Altoona.

Because of past experience I like to follow Albright and Lycoming, along with Juniata and Wash&Jeff.

Having lived in many parts of the country including CA, IN, SC, CT and NM before returning to NY, it brought me near Penn ST, UCLA and Southern Cal. These were wonderful experiences but of course, none of these can compete with Alfred and the Saxons. IMHO

For anyone reading this, they probably have their own small college experience, so I don't think I have to elaborate. It is just understood.

So jmcoz, hang in there. I'm sure there is more support still, than you can imagine.

Thanks Saxon!! My school (Swarthmore) dropped football and I adopted DelVal when I moved out to bucolic Doylestown 20 years ago. I get frustrated when all my buddies from bigger schools talk college football 365/24/7............and the majority of my small school buddies don't even know how their schools are doing and haven't been back on campus in 25-30 years. It's a disconnect that I will never understand...........so I should not worry about it and just accept it. When the majority of alums don't care........and the interest level of small school football players wanes pretty quickly a year or two after graduation, it boggles my mind. I guess it's just the OCD in me!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 05, 2016, 12:12:50 PM
Week 10 Predictions:
Wilkes@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 34 points

Widener@Kings: Widener wins by 10 points

Misericordia@Albright: Albright wins by 37 points

Leb Val@FDU: Led Val wins by 7 points

Lycoming@Del Val: Del Val wins by 21 points

Week 10 Rankings:

1. Stevenson
2. Albright
3. Del Val
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. Lycoming
7. FDU
8. Leb Val
9. Wilkes
10. Misericordia
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2016, 05:05:57 PM
Wilkes -- yes, Wilkes -- over #14 Stevenson at Stevenson, 38-35. Just checking in to keep a certain party happy.   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 05:16:19 PM
I just got back from my AAU Basketball Coaching duties and had to look about five times to make sure that I wasn't seeing things!! How in God's name did Stevenson lose, at home, to Wilkes of all teams. Let's take a look:

October 15:
DelVal - 52          Wilkes - 10

October 22:
Albright - 69        Wilkes - 13

Stevenson - 19    DelVal - 0 (don't want to hear about the weather shutting DelVal down, it was Stevenson's defense as well)

November 5: Looking at the scores above, you'd think Stevenson by 50 or so. I picked them by 42. Tweisman picked them by 34.
Wilkes - 38         Stevenson - 35 (Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????????)

How does a team that lost by 98 points in consecutive weeks (just a couple of weeks ago) to DelVal and Albright..............beat the only team, on the road, that beat BOTH DelVal AND Albright. I'm flabbergasted! Wilkes scored 23 points in 8 quarters against DelVal and Albright.......and scored 38 in 4 quarters at Stevenson, with almost 600 yards of offense.

Someone who was at the game please explain what happened. This might be the most stunning MAC score not only this season, but in the last decade.

This loss probably knocks Stevenson out of the Top 25 and may very well cost them a home playoff game.

I am never at a loss for words................I am now!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2016, 05:05:57 PM
Wilkes -- yes, Wilkes -- over #14 Stevenson at Stevenson, 38-35. Just checking in to keep a certain party happy.   ;)

As we haven't had a Wilkes poster this century................whoever could that be Warren? :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 05, 2016, 05:27:09 PM
The Wilkes poster has to be Colonel John :)!!!   Parity in the MAC!!!  Great game Wilkes and good, solid game Del Val!!!   Please beat Widener next Saturday!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 05:43:03 PM
Quote from: kate on November 05, 2016, 05:27:09 PM
The Wilkes poster has to be Colonel John :)!!!   Parity in the MAC!!!  Great game Wilkes and good, solid game Del Val!!!   Please beat Widener next Saturday!!!

I have to add Colonel John to the MIA list with bman, simba, PBR and bill ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2016, 11:48:29 PM
I have no intention of shutting it down -- but what I would suggest is that your regular commentary on the subject of there not being a lot of posters is not going to help welcome people in. Talk about football, rather than talking about talking, in my opinion.

I understand Pat. I'm trying to shame some of them back in. You know firsthand that bman, simba, PBR and bill have been with you from day one and were all posting at the start of the year. Strange how they all disappeared at the same time.

Look at it another way though.............the post elicited a response from wesleydad, Saxon and, a brand new King's poster, the first that I can recall.

So something worked. Now maybe bman, simba, PBR and bill will return home, guided by the warm light of my beacon!! ;)

Pat. it also reeled in Warren. Like shooting fish in a barrel!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 05:47:36 PM
Let's see....believe a 2 win record will be an easy game. Me opening my mouth to say welcome to the playoffs. Refs probably swallowing whistles on numerous occasions including a couple pass interference calls, but good teams don't use that. Mainly their QB scrambled well and threw a lot of rainbows that their receivers were able to work open and get under or out jump the defenses. Add in a lot of sloppy tackling. It didn't hurt thinking that a 2 win team and getting up 14 points quickly added to it. Course the mustangs lost this time last year too. While yep, those were 2 ugly losses. They also only lost to Widener by 2 points. This was the trap game I was worried would happen with Kings but happened a week later. Congrats to Wilkes for not giving up on the season and the win today
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:00:01 PM
I wasn't sold on playoff game being home even with 10-0 just cause they don't thinking conference is tops. Stevenson wasn't the only top 25 to get clobbered but I tend to think that if they don't get dropped from top 25 that they hang by skin of teeth. Whitewater is in a fight last I saw too, think this was just a fluky week. Refresh my memory on the tiebreaks...not that it should get there but I am taking nothing for granted going the rest of the way.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 05:47:36 PM
Let's see....believe a 2 win record will be an easy game. Me opening my mouth to say welcome to the playoffs. Refs probably swallowing whistles on numerous occasions including a couple pass interference calls, but good teams don't use that. Mainly their QB scrambled well and threw a lot of rainbows that their receivers were able to work open and get under or out jump the defenses. Add in a lot of sloppy tackling. It didn't hurt thinking that a 2 win team and getting up 14 points quickly added to it. Course the mustangs lost this time last year too. While yep, those were 2 ugly losses. They also only lost to Widener by 2 points. This was the trap game I was worried would happen with Kings but happened a week later. Congrats to Wilkes for not giving up on the season and the win today

This should have never even been close enough for the refs to make a difference (as Wilkes also had 3 turnovers to Stevenson's 1)  as you said, good teams don't go down the ref path, as calls are good and bad for each team in every game. The two point game against Widener was actually not a close game other than the scoreboard. Plus, Stevenson blew Widener's doors off at Widener. I guess I got thrown off by how badly Wilkes got crushed by DelVal and Albright, physically and on the scoreboard, in back to back weeks...........teams that Stevenson beat.

Oh well. It looks like the MAC might be one and done in the NCAA Playoffs unless Stevenson gets a good draw and wins a road game. My sense tell me they may be headed to Wesley. Stay tuned.

Wone, you have quite the decision to make next week. Root for the school that is one of your two favorites and temporarily so given that's where your kid attends............or root for the school that you attended for four years. Hmmmmmm. I don't see Stevenson losing to Lycoming, nor do I see Albright losing to LebVal. They will be MAC Co-Champs, but Stevenson will get the NCAA invite given the head to head win.

This game cost Stevenson what could have been as high as a #3 seed. As a MAC fan.......that sucks for all of us!  :'(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:14:26 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:00:01 PM
I wasn't sold on playoff game being home even with 10-0 just cause they don't thinking conference is tops. Stevenson wasn't the only top 25 to get clobbered but I tend to think that if they don't get dropped from top 25 that they hang by skin of teeth. Whitewater is in a fight last I saw too, think this was just a fluky week. Refresh my memory on the tiebreaks...not that it should get there but I am taking nothing for granted going the rest of the way.

Had they gone 10-0 and finished the season ranked in the #11 - #14 spot in the country................they would have absolutely gotten a home game as, my guess, a #3 seed or at worst, a #4 seed.

If they both win next week, Stevenson and Albright will be co-champs but Stevenson goes to the playoffs as the first tiebreaker is their head to head victory.

About Whitewater, remember, there is a rivalry and intensity amongst the 8 teams in that conference, that is light years ahead of the MAC rivalries. They have some fluky outcomes as a result. Whitewater might very well benefit from a close win on the road to a rival. As a MAC fan, I'm hoping Stevenson can benefit from a close loss at home to a non-rival.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:26:34 PM
I'm on the Stevenson bandwagon this year and others until I see a solid team in Lyco again. They lost their dominance about 15 years ago. I think Stevenson could potentially go on a Lyco style run on the conference for a few years to come. It would be an easy choice either way with 8 -1 vs pride. The tough choice would be both playing for championship or playoff bowl game spot. I tend to agree with you that it would be Wesley/NJAC champ for first round and I still wouldn't have been sold that they would give us the home advantage at 10-0 anyway.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:26:34 PM
I'm on the Stevenson bandwagon this year and others until I see a solid team in Lyco again. They lost their dominance about 15 years ago. I think Stevenson could potentially go on a Lyco style run on the conference for a few years to come. It would be an easy choice either way with 8 -1 vs pride. The tough choice would be both playing for championship or playoff bowl game spot. I tend to agree with you that it would be Wesley/NJAC champ for first round and I still wouldn't have been sold that they would give us the home advantage at 10-0 anyway.

Wone - Don't use the "bangwagon with Stevenson until Lyco gets good again". :) That's like all of these people who are now Cleveland Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors fans and will be switching teams when LeBron retires and the Warriors get picked apart in free agency. Or new Chicago Cubs fans for the first time. Or Patriots fans until Brady retires. We are fans of our schools whether they are great, good, bad or suck. ;)

No choice at all if it would come down to the MAC Championship or a NCAA Playoff berth. The alma mater is with you for life. The kid's alma mater is with them for life..........although the debt can be a lifetime for us as parents as well. :)

At 10-0 and a national ranking in the Top 12 to 15, if not slightly higher if some crazy results were to happen right above them in these final two weeks, they absolutely, positively, no doubt about it would of had at least one home game as the #4 seed. I would of bet the house.

I have no doubt that Stevenson will go on a long run in the MAC with the advantages of not having many schools in their backyard in which to compete, the budget as they become a much larger school than any in the MAC (the goal to get to 10,000 students, when the average MAC school is around 2,000) which will help greatly from a facilities standpoint and from a financial package standpoint as well.

The MAC coaches who I speak to are already well aware of this and were speaking about it not long after Stevenson was admitted to the MAC for football. I'd actually be shocked if they are not at the top, injuries aside, going forward year in and year out.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of Pennsyltucky!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 05, 2016, 07:28:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of Pennsyltucky!! ;)

Game would probably be at Stevenson.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2016, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2016, 11:48:29 PM
I have no intention of shutting it down -- but what I would suggest is that your regular commentary on the subject of there not being a lot of posters is not going to help welcome people in. Talk about football, rather than talking about talking, in my opinion.

I understand Pat. I'm trying to shame some of them back in. You know firsthand that bman, simba, PBR and bill have been with you from day one and were all posting at the start of the year. Strange how they all disappeared at the same time.

Look at it another way though.............the post elicited a response from wesleydad, Saxon and, a brand new King's poster, the first that I can recall.

So something worked. Now maybe bman, simba, PBR and bill will return home, guided by the warm light of my beacon!! ;)

Pat. it also reeled in Warren. Like shooting fish in a barrel!! ;)

I only did this out of the kindness of my heart. As to being "reeled in," I've no idea what you're talking about ....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 05, 2016, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of


You don't want to see that game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 05, 2016, 08:41:45 PM
After witnessing today's shocking lost today to Wilkes, here are my observations and input. First I would like to congratulate Wilkes for a good game and playing their hearts out. As angry as I am after the lost, I can't disrespect a good game by Wilkes, they deserve to celebrate. Anyways here is my reaction:

1. Going into the game, I heard coach was going to not dress a few players. Certain key players either didn't dress to rest or because of injury. Some players such as our starting RB and backup RB didn't play. Starter was injured in Del Val game, and the backup RB I'm not sure for what reason. Also, early in the game several key injuries sidelined players with precaution. An important player, #8 FS Billy Lewis, got injured early in the 1Q. I suspect as precaution, the coach kept him sidelined. He is a key component to getting our secondary in the right place to function, which leads me into my second observation.

2. Billy Lewis' injury caused havoc in the secondary, as it seemed our secondary was out of place and couldn't gel until it was too late. Most people don't understand the chemistry that our secondary has when all are on the field. With Lewis' injury, it was apparent our secondary was in shock. Most players and coaches on the team will speak to how valuable Lewis is to keeping our secondary functioning at its elite level.

3. An obvious issue I noticed was defensively, we allowed Wilkes to keep working the flats and throwing into the area to move 10-15 yards upfield to move the chains. I'm not certain why we didn't make the adjustment, but it was frustrating to watch.

4. Vertical passing game of Wilkes was a thorn in the side of the defense for the majority of the game. Several times when the defense closed in on forcing a punt, the Wilkes QB would throw rainbow passes over the shoulder of the DB for deep shots to keep the chain moving.

5. The Wilkes QB was very elusive throughout the game. Several times when the crowd and team thought we had him in our grasp, he somehow would slip out of the hand of our rushers to either run for several yards or to throw to an open receiver that lost his coverage man due to the scramble.

Overall, most would agree that if this was a series for best of 3, Stevenson would certainly win at least 2. Between the key players not being on the field; cockiness of being up 14 points during the first 2 minutes of the game; and possibly overlooking/looking ahead for the playoffs, it quickly because obvious this game was going to be a disaster. I won't be shocked if Stevenson drops out of the top 25 and move down to 7-10 for the East region rankings. It hurts because I feel our chances of an NCAA 1st round playoff game are out the window. If we had finished 10-0, we would have likely been a top 3 seed in the East and host at least the 1st round game. Regardless, I'm hopeful this doesn't kill the teams energy heading into the playoffs in two weeks; instead, maybe it will motivate them with a new fire to focus in for the remainder of the season. Depending on the opponent in the 1st round, I still feel confident in Stevenson advancing at least to the 2nd round, if not the Quarterfinals.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 10:52:55 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 05, 2016, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of


You don't want to see that game.

I love football so I could watch 22 pigmies (spelling?) take the field 365/24/7. Other than basketball.........no other sports compare. So I would love to see that game, along with any team that plays any other team. I would put Wesley as a 13.5 point favorite at home and still give the points and would watch it live if the drive from Doylestown to Dover wasn't so God awful. I'll wait for Wesley's rematch with Mount Union in the semi's to get my real fix.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 05, 2016, 11:02:58 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 10:52:55 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 05, 2016, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of


You don't want to see that game.

I love football so I could watch 22 pigmies (spelling?) take the field 365/24/7. Other than basketball.........no other sports compare. So I would love to see that game, along with any team that plays any other team. I would put Wesley as a 13.5 point favorite at home and still give the points and would watch it live if the drive from Doylestown to Dover wasn't so God awful. I'll wait for Wesley's rematch with Mount Union in the semi's to get my real fix.

Agree, always fun to watch the game live if you can.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 05, 2016, 08:41:45 PM
After witnessing today's shocking lost today to Wilkes, here are my observations and input. First I would like to congratulate Wilkes for a good game and playing their hearts out. As angry as I am after the lost, I can't disrespect a good game by Wilkes, they deserve to celebrate. Anyways here is my reaction:

1. Going into the game, I heard coach was going to not dress a few players. Certain key players either didn't dress to rest or because of injury. Some players such as our starting RB and backup RB didn't play. Starter was injured in Del Val game, and the backup RB I'm not sure for what reason. Also, early in the game several key injuries sidelined players with precaution. An important player, #8 FS Billy Lewis, got injured early in the 1Q. I suspect as precaution, the coach kept him sidelined. He is a key component to getting our secondary in the right place to function, which leads me into my second observation.

2. Billy Lewis' injury caused havoc in the secondary, as it seemed our secondary was out of place and couldn't gel until it was too late. Most people don't understand the chemistry that our secondary has when all are on the field. With Lewis' injury, it was apparent our secondary was in shock. Most players and coaches on the team will speak to how valuable Lewis is to keeping our secondary functioning at its elite level.

3. An obvious issue I noticed was defensively, we allowed Wilkes to keep working the flats and throwing into the area to move 10-15 yards upfield to move the chains. I'm not certain why we didn't make the adjustment, but it was frustrating to watch.

4. Vertical passing game of Wilkes was a thorn in the side of the defense for the majority of the game. Several times when the defense closed in on forcing a punt, the Wilkes QB would throw rainbow passes over the shoulder of the DB for deep shots to keep the chain moving.

5. The Wilkes QB was very elusive throughout the game. Several times when the crowd and team thought we had him in our grasp, he somehow would slip out of the hand of our rushers to either run for several yards or to throw to an open receiver that lost his coverage man due to the scramble.

Overall, most would agree that if this was a series for best of 3, Stevenson would certainly win at least 2. Between the key players not being on the field; cockiness of being up 14 points during the first 2 minutes of the game; and possibly overlooking/looking ahead for the playoffs, it quickly because obvious this game was going to be a disaster. I won't be shocked if Stevenson drops out of the top 25 and move down to 7-10 for the East region rankings. It hurts because I feel our chances of an NCAA 1st round playoff game are out the window. If we had finished 10-0, we would have likely been a top 3 seed in the East and host at least the 1st round game. Regardless, I'm hopeful this doesn't kill the teams energy heading into the playoffs in two weeks; instead, maybe it will motivate them with a new fire to focus in for the remainder of the season. Depending on the opponent in the 1st round, I still feel confident in Stevenson advancing at least to the 2nd round, if not the Quarterfinals.

tweisman - You know that I love you, especially stepping in at a time when so many of the old timers seemingly retired right around the same week, but while I appreciate the thorough report, you needed to be missing a heck of a lot more "key players" than you were. Without Lewis, the Wilkes QB still threw 3 INT's to Williams 1 and Williams also threw 4 TD's. Remember, just a couple of weeks prior, two teams that Stevenson beat, DelVal and Albright, had just beaten Wilkes by a combined score of 121-23. I think DelVal and Albright could have been missing half of their team and still won given the beatdowns.

Also, Wilkes has no defense and Williams is one hell of a weapon. There is no excuse for not scoring with 1:05 left after the kickoff return to the Wilkes 15 yardline. Sack, incomplete, incomplete, missed FG is brutal. With a little more than 10 minutes left in the game, despite a few missing players, Stevenson was up 35-24 with Williams and his array of stud receivers against a very porous Wilkes defense........especially their secondary.

There is no way that Stevenson can lose to Lycoming, with everything to play for and Lycoming having squatta. Depending on what the committee does in terms of moving a team or two into the East (Mount Union as a #1 seed and John Hopkins as a #2 seed.......although both happening is unlikely), Stevenson might have lost a home game, even if they finish 9-1. If they do wind up with a #4 seed and play Wesley in the first round, I don't see them beating Wesley.

They will learn from this game and whether or not it helps them win a game in the playoffs, it remains to be seen. I picked them to win the conference in mid-August and Albright to finish second and that's how it looks like it's going to play out. It should be interesting.   
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2016, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2016, 11:48:29 PM
I have no intention of shutting it down -- but what I would suggest is that your regular commentary on the subject of there not being a lot of posters is not going to help welcome people in. Talk about football, rather than talking about talking, in my opinion.

I understand Pat. I'm trying to shame some of them back in. You know firsthand that bman, simba, PBR and bill have been with you from day one and were all posting at the start of the year. Strange how they all disappeared at the same time.

Look at it another way though.............the post elicited a response from wesleydad, Saxon and, a brand new King's poster, the first that I can recall.

So something worked. Now maybe bman, simba, PBR and bill will return home, guided by the warm light of my beacon!! ;)

Pat. it also reeled in Warren. Like shooting fish in a barrel!! ;)

I only did this out of the kindness of my heart. As to being "reeled in," I've no idea what you're talking about ....

Oh, that comment wasn't for you it was for Pat. We have an APB out for bman, simba, PBR, bill, Colonel John and others who were regular contributors on the MAC board for years and most disappeared after posting after week one or two this year. If you're not dead (or not in a coma), nobody is too busy to spend a few minutes to bang on the keyboard each week. I think it's a loss of interest vs. the lack of time.........the bane of small school football that doesn't exist for some reason at the big school level, although it's the same sport. I might write my dissertation on the subject someday for kicks and giggles. Something to do. Trading commodities and futures is profitable.................but as boring as hell!!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 11:23:41 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 05, 2016, 08:41:45 PM
After witnessing today's shocking lost today to Wilkes, here are my observations and input. First I would like to congratulate Wilkes for a good game and playing their hearts out. As angry as I am after the lost, I can't disrespect a good game by Wilkes, they deserve to celebrate. Anyways here is my reaction:

1. Going into the game, I heard coach was going to not dress a few players. Certain key players either didn't dress to rest or because of injury. Some players such as our starting RB and backup RB didn't play. Starter was injured in Del Val game, and the backup RB I'm not sure for what reason. Also, early in the game several key injuries sidelined players with precaution. An important player, #8 FS Billy Lewis, got injured early in the 1Q. I suspect as precaution, the coach kept him sidelined. He is a key component to getting our secondary in the right place to function, which leads me into my second observation.

2. Billy Lewis' injury caused havoc in the secondary, as it seemed our secondary was out of place and couldn't gel until it was too late. Most people don't understand the chemistry that our secondary has when all are on the field. With Lewis' injury, it was apparent our secondary was in shock. Most players and coaches on the team will speak to how valuable Lewis is to keeping our secondary functioning at its elite level.

3. An obvious issue I noticed was defensively, we allowed Wilkes to keep working the flats and throwing into the area to move 10-15 yards upfield to move the chains. I'm not certain why we didn't make the adjustment, but it was frustrating to watch.

4. Vertical passing game of Wilkes was a thorn in the side of the defense for the majority of the game. Several times when the defense closed in on forcing a punt, the Wilkes QB would throw rainbow passes over the shoulder of the DB for deep shots to keep the chain moving.

5. The Wilkes QB was very elusive throughout the game. Several times when the crowd and team thought we had him in our grasp, he somehow would slip out of the hand of our rushers to either run for several yards or to throw to an open receiver that lost his coverage man due to the scramble.

Overall, most would agree that if this was a series for best of 3, Stevenson would certainly win at least 2. Between the key players not being on the field; cockiness of being up 14 points during the first 2 minutes of the game; and possibly overlooking/looking ahead for the playoffs, it quickly because obvious this game was going to be a disaster. I won't be shocked if Stevenson drops out of the top 25 and move down to 7-10 for the East region rankings. It hurts because I feel our chances of an NCAA 1st round playoff game are out the window. If we had finished 10-0, we would have likely been a top 3 seed in the East and host at least the 1st round game. Regardless, I'm hopeful this doesn't kill the teams energy heading into the playoffs in two weeks; instead, maybe it will motivate them with a new fire to focus in for the remainder of the season. Depending on the opponent in the 1st round, I still feel confident in Stevenson advancing at least to the 2nd round, if not the Quarterfinals.

Dead on for the analysis...knew we had a key guy go out early but didn't realize who it was exactly. Your call about 3-5 was spot on!!

I tend to agree that most likely the home game is gone; unless maybe we did get the match up with Wesley. Assuming both teams win and ended up matched up because of how the match-ups fell, would they give the home game to 8-2 over a 9-1 team?? Otherwise, yep it will be a road travel game. I think Lyco will not be VERY happy next week, cause the 'stangs should be mad and paying hard and Lyco's secondary tends to be a sieve the few portions of games I have watched. The offense gets hitting a few things and it could turn into a long game for Lyco.

A little bit more on today's game....offense was quite a bit out of sync also, and yet while the score reflects only one INT against Williams, there was at least 2 other balls that were dropped INTs for sure and WAY too many dropped balls that our receivers normally catch. Both sides of the ball were WAY out of sync after Wilkes first score. If you also notice...check the running totals...not having 2 RB's to mix it up more hurt. Wilkes did a decent job early on to run stop, there were some decent runs but timing was just OFF all game. Whether it had to do with the oddness of players out or looking ahead, not sure; but I'm sure all of that played into it. Put that out there with a team on the other side with nothing to lose and playing for pride and that signature win and they got it today. Hopefully the mustangs learn from it and refocus and play mad the rest of the time they have this season.

I think also JM while you keep going back to a few weeks ago and both Del Val and Albright killing Wilkes, they are also programs who have been in the position before of being on the cusp of going into the playoffs aka the experience. This is slightly new turf for a team that has been around for 6 years. Granted, it shouldn't make a difference but these are kids who are used a routine and certain guys playing each week and the routine got screwed up in their minds. ECAC or MAC/Cent bowl is a total different animal in not as much pressures than NCAA D3 playoffs. It is also a different timing and place where Del Val and Albright were playing from vs where Stevenson was today. Del Val and Albright knew they both had to keep winning and hope that the mustangs would falter. The stangs didn't need to have the game today to make the playoffs; but winning helps keep the seed up and pride of the non loss regular season should have instilled something tho. It wasn't quite the same level of urgency.

To gain you the understanding of today..if you watched the Stevenson/Del Val game and saw how complete and in sync Stevenson the game was there; this one was a 180 of that game. They NEVER got into a rhythm or really established drives well. Yes, they made plays and such but it was not the typical game/way they played all year. I will give some credit of that to Wilkes cause after the starting14 point run, they got the stangs out of sync. After Wilkes first score, the onside kick recovery started it and the stangs just never found a rhythm to the game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:28:17 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 05, 2016, 07:28:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of Pennsyltucky!! ;)

Game would probably be at Stevenson.

Does a 9-1 Stevenson team with a loss to Wilkes get a home game? Tough call. It depends on what the committee does in terms of moving teams into the top one or two seeds in the East. I don't see it happening but if Mount Union and Hopkins were #1 and #2, I'm not sure if Stevenson gets the #4 or #5 seed. Close call. Either way, Wesley or Stevenson.........blech drives from Doylestown (Bucks County) PA, but if I want to see some live football, a sojourn I must make. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 06, 2016, 08:06:49 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:28:17 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN-MG on November 05, 2016, 07:28:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of Pennsyltucky!! ;)

Game would probably be at Stevenson.

Does a 9-1 Stevenson team with a loss to Wilkes get a home game? Tough call. It depends on what the committee does in terms of moving teams into the top one or two seeds in the East. I don't see it happening but if Mount Union and Hopkins were #1 and #2, I'm not sure if Stevenson gets the #4 or #5 seed. Close call. Either way, Wesley or Stevenson.........blech drives from Doylestown (Bucks County) PA, but if I want to see some live football, a sojourn I must make. :)

This year is going to be really interesting as to who goes where and who ends up playing who.  You can throw a blanket over about 5 teams after Alfred and say they could host a game in round 1 but would not be stunned if they went on the road.  Husson winning makes things a mess for the committee since there is only 1 team WNEW, maybe 2 - not sure about Bridgewater St. that they can get to under 500 miles.  That makes for some really nice possible first round games this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on November 06, 2016, 09:34:15 AM

Bridgewater is closer to Husson  than WNEU by far.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 06, 2016, 09:38:46 AM
Quote from: Saxon73 on November 06, 2016, 09:34:15 AM

Bridgewater is closer to Husson  than WNEU by far.

Thanks 73.  Looked it up after I had already posted.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 06, 2016, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2016, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2016, 11:48:29 PM
I have no intention of shutting it down -- but what I would suggest is that your regular commentary on the subject of there not being a lot of posters is not going to help welcome people in. Talk about football, rather than talking about talking, in my opinion.

I understand Pat. I'm trying to shame some of them back in. You know firsthand that bman, simba, PBR and bill have been with you from day one and were all posting at the start of the year. Strange how they all disappeared at the same time.

Look at it another way though.............the post elicited a response from wesleydad, Saxon and, a brand new King's poster, the first that I can recall.

So something worked. Now maybe bman, simba, PBR and bill will return home, guided by the warm light of my beacon!! ;)

Pat. it also reeled in Warren. Like shooting fish in a barrel!! ;)

I only did this out of the kindness of my heart. As to being "reeled in," I've no idea what you're talking about ....

Oh, that comment wasn't for you it was for Pat. We have an APB out for bman, simba, PBR, bill, Colonel John and others who were regular contributors on the MAC board for years and most disappeared after posting after week one or two this year. If you're not dead (or not in a coma), nobody is too busy to spend a few minutes to bang on the keyboard each week.

Jm - you asked - I just wandered in to the board and will provide an update. I've had a change in jobs...I finally got out of coaching and transitioned into faculty world full time. I finished my PhD in April, and got a full time faculty job at a school in New England (I'd rather not mention school, just in case). Needless to say, I'm not following FDU sports as closely as I used to. Best wishes and good luck to all.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 07, 2016, 07:58:15 AM
Hello Bill - congratulations on your new career!  You, PBR and Colonel John are missed!  Hope you feel free to drop in whenever you have the chance.  Thanks for your new info, and again, Congratulations!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 07, 2016, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: bill on November 06, 2016, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2016, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2016, 11:48:29 PM
I have no intention of shutting it down -- but what I would suggest is that your regular commentary on the subject of there not being a lot of posters is not going to help welcome people in. Talk about football, rather than talking about talking, in my opinion.

I understand Pat. I'm trying to shame some of them back in. You know firsthand that bman, simba, PBR and bill have been with you from day one and were all posting at the start of the year. Strange how they all disappeared at the same time.

Look at it another way though.............the post elicited a response from wesleydad, Saxon and, a brand new King's poster, the first that I can recall.

So something worked. Now maybe bman, simba, PBR and bill will return home, guided by the warm light of my beacon!! ;)

Pat. it also reeled in Warren. Like shooting fish in a barrel!! ;)

I only did this out of the kindness of my heart. As to being "reeled in," I've no idea what you're talking about ....

Oh, that comment wasn't for you it was for Pat. We have an APB out for bman, simba, PBR, bill, Colonel John and others who were regular contributors on the MAC board for years and most disappeared after posting after week one or two this year. If you're not dead (or not in a coma), nobody is too busy to spend a few minutes to bang on the keyboard each week.

Jm - you asked - I just wandered in to the board and will provide an update. I've had a change in jobs...I finally got out of coaching and transitioned into faculty world full time. I finished my PhD in April, and got a full time faculty job at a school in New England (I'd rather not mention school, just in case). Needless to say, I'm not following FDU sports as closely as I used to. Best wishes and good luck to all.

Best wishes Bill!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 10, 2016, 08:14:18 PM
What are the tie-breaking procedures for the MAC? I've heard from some people that head-to-head doesn't factor in first for the order of tie-breaking, but I don't see how this could be true. I think there is some confusion with what they were saying. If someone knows the order of procedures that would be great.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 10, 2016, 09:34:32 PM
If I remember correctly, head to head is the first tiebreak between 2 teams...the issue comes with 3 that are equal levels ( A beats B, B beats C, C beats A) across the board and then it was a point differential I think. Stevenson gets in with a win or they have to hope that Albright loses too in order to get in the big tourney. The one who finishes behind the other, hosts 1 of the 2 MAC/cent bowl games. This is even if one or both lose because both Albright and Stevenson beat both Widener and Del Val. Winner of that game plays the other bowl on the road and the loser has their season end.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2016, 05:08:29 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 28, 2016, 09:51:52 AM
In mid-August, having called the conference champion (Stevenson), runner-up (Albright).......followed by DelVal and Widener (although I think the order now gets flipped as Widener beats DelVal in two weeks).......as well as nailing the Stevenson @ Albright, Albright @ DelVal and DelVal @ Stevenson games, here we go:

Week Nine Predictions:
DelVal2017 - 27            FDU - 20 (Hangover from last week's game at Stevenson. 19 of 22 starters returning in 2017. Preparation starts now. Wrestling and men's hoops around the corner)
LebVal - 30                   Miserables - 14 (Miserables Men's Hoops picked 2nd in MAC Freedom. That's all I've got)
LycoMIATeam&Simba - 34          Wilkes - 20 (Last week's LebVal game much closer than I thought. Wilkes is the perfect tonic)
Albright - 17                 WidenerMIAbman - 13 (Albright only scored 13 offensive points on DelVal. Widener's defense is better. Close game if Widener's special teams don't implode again)
MypreseasonMACChampenson - 40          King's - 13 (I've been spot on since mid-August........Stevenson closes with the MAC bottom feeders and needs to win at least two playoff games given these three weeks to rest starters early)

Cowboys - 30     Eagles - 20 (Eagles were ranked #31 on the ESPN preseason ranking of teams, ahead of the Browns, they are slipping but won't fall below the mid-20's come year end)

With our MIA long time posters all still MIA...................here we go!!:

Week Ten Predictions:
FDU - 40          LebVal - 34 (Neither team has a defense. FDU doesn't run much. LebVal doesn't pass much)
WidenerMIAbman - 24          King's - 13 (That King's field can be a cold, wind tunnel come early November and that could affect the passing game)
ThepreseasonMACchampofsixheadcoachesbright - 55          Miserables - 10 (Miserables would whip Albright on the hardwood though ;) )
MypreseasonMACChampenson - 50          Wilkes - 13 (DelVal beat Wilkes by 29. This will be worse)
DelVal2017 - 27          LycoMIATeam&Simba - 17 (Not much to play for but a small payback for the miracle in Williamsport last year)

If they play like they did for the majority of last week: Eagles - 24     Giants - 23

The candles are still lit for the safe return of bman, simba, PBR and bill........................

With wrestling having started and hoops starting on Tuesday, here is the last of the predictions. You can thank me later for the Stevenson, followed by Albright call in mid-August as Stevenson can not lose two games to end their season:

Week Eleven Predictions:
King's - 27          Wilkes - 26 (Close game by the across-the-street rivals and both adding hockey in two years. Both expected to make the Men's Hoops Playoffs. I've got nothing football related)
FDU - 30            Miserables - 16 (FDU Women's Hoops and Miserables Men's Hoops both open up on Tuesday. I can't even squeeze out a football comment)
Thepreseasonchampofsixheadcoachesbright - 52          LebVal - 13 (Basing it solely on what both DelVal and Widener did up at LebVal a few weeks ago)
MypreseasonMACChampenson - 40          LycoMIASimba - 20 (Stevenson is hot after last week's million-to-one shot and takes it out on a poor Lyco secondary)
WidenerMIAbman - 27          DelVal2017 - 14 (The Stevenson game took the air out of the Aggies and the freshmen have started to get more looks. Expect more of it Saturday in Villachester ;) )

Falcons - 30      Eagles - 20.............but the real story is the Vikings #1 pick in 2017 is looking better for the Eagles every week that goes by. Not having an offensive line sucks!! :)

For bman, simba, PBR and bill (and others).........Happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy Valentine's Day, Happy President's Weekend..........and Happy Every Other Holiday as the board goes dark in a few weeks and lights back up around Labor Day. I hope the space shuttle experience has been great and we look forward to having you all back come the 2017 Football Season!! ;)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2016, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: bill on November 06, 2016, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 05, 2016, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2016, 11:48:29 PM
I have no intention of shutting it down -- but what I would suggest is that your regular commentary on the subject of there not being a lot of posters is not going to help welcome people in. Talk about football, rather than talking about talking, in my opinion.

I understand Pat. I'm trying to shame some of them back in. You know firsthand that bman, simba, PBR and bill have been with you from day one and were all posting at the start of the year. Strange how they all disappeared at the same time.

Look at it another way though.............the post elicited a response from wesleydad, Saxon and, a brand new King's poster, the first that I can recall.

So something worked. Now maybe bman, simba, PBR and bill will return home, guided by the warm light of my beacon!! ;)

Pat. it also reeled in Warren. Like shooting fish in a barrel!! ;)

I only did this out of the kindness of my heart. As to being "reeled in," I've no idea what you're talking about ....

Oh, that comment wasn't for you it was for Pat. We have an APB out for bman, simba, PBR, bill, Colonel John and others who were regular contributors on the MAC board for years and most disappeared after posting after week one or two this year. If you're not dead (or not in a coma), nobody is too busy to spend a few minutes to bang on the keyboard each week.

Jm - you asked - I just wandered in to the board and will provide an update. I've had a change in jobs...I finally got out of coaching and transitioned into faculty world full time. I finished my PhD in April, and got a full time faculty job at a school in New England (I'd rather not mention school, just in case). Needless to say, I'm not following FDU sports as closely as I used to. Best wishes and good luck to all.

Best of luck Bill, you will be missed.

Maybe bman, simba and PBR are grabbing their PhD's as well.

All the best. Kick azz!!!!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 12, 2016, 04:30:05 AM
Week 11 Predictions:

Kings@Wilkes: Kings wins by 3
Stevenson@Lycoming: Stevenson wins by 20 points
Del Val@Widener: Del Val wins by 7 points
Albright@Leb Val: Albright wins by 20 points
FDU@Misericordia: FDU wins by 3 points

Week 11 Conference Rankings:
1. Stevenson
2. Albright
3. Del Val
4. Widener
5. Kings
6. Wilkes
7. Lycoming
8. FDU
9. Leb Val
10. Misericordia
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 12, 2016, 09:55:57 AM
This week's pick's

Kings by 7 over wilkes (21-14 range or 24-17...the young kids from Wilkes could be scary for years to come..lots of the O is Fresh-Sop level)
FDU by 14-17 over Miser FDU is improved and not the doormat they once were..Miser just keeps plodding along in this sport

Widener 3-10 over Del Val- Widener has too much pride I think but this should be back and forth for the last conference bowl place

Albright 17 over Leb Val- If Leb Val had anything they burned it early in the year

Finally...

Stevenson 14-17 over Lyco...Stevenson better treat this as a serious business trip and play mad..Lyco secondary has been a bit of a sieve
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 12, 2016, 10:37:40 AM
All

My apologies for be absent this year, but I've had a bit of a rough fall, so my focus has been elsewhere.  I have popped in a few times, and it's nice to see the discussions and the predictions flowing.

Bill   You will be missed.  Good luck in your new career!  Please pop on now and again.   (and unfortunately I am not working on my doctorate...:) )

On a separate note, I drove through Williamsport last week, but saw no sign of Simba...but I did have a Yuengling in his honor!

Bman

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 12, 2016, 03:56:39 PM
Bman, sure hope your Fall gets better!  This afternoon, Del Val 45 - Widener 7.  Our announcer thinks we might be playing Muhlenberg next week in Allentown.  More details very soon.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 12, 2016, 04:07:49 PM
Johns Hopkins is the conference champ in Centennial and gets the D3 bid. Stevenson is the MAC champ and gets the D3 bid.

Muhlenberg was the second place  in their conference( their result didn't matter on the low side( they had to win and hope Hopkins was aloser against McDaniel to get bid I'd guess) as they had a 2 game up on the 3rd place team going in (8-1 vs 6-3) and would host Del Val as the 3rd place in MAC.

Albright as second in the MAC is hosting either F&M or Susquehanna ( both were 6-3 coming into today), depending on result.

Course if muhlenberg gets in as a pool c ( definite possibility as their only loss is to Hopkins)... then it is F&M as top non qualify and Susquehanna as the #3
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 12, 2016, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: kate on November 12, 2016, 03:56:39 PM
Bman, sure hope your Fall gets better!  This afternoon, Del Val 45 - Widener 7.  Our announcer thinks we might be playing Muhlenberg next week in Allentown.  More details very soon.
Thanks Kate!
I will be watching the playoffs intently (although I doubt I will be able to get to any...)

Its interesting that Mount Union lost today, and as of this moment both Whitewater and Linfield are Losing.   I'm wondering if that makes a difference in who gets the East this year...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2016, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24

I'm going to throw a curveball or two in here on my 2016 season predictions:

1. Stevenson (the key DelVal game is at home and getting better at the higher level transfer gig..........but not Rowan in the 90's ;) )
2. Albright (6 first place votes by MAC coaches and everybody back of significance from last year's MAC Champion)
3. DelVal (Stevenson on the road + the annual loss vs. a team that you shouldn't lose to.........at Wilkes in 2015)
4. Widener (excellent defense and solid running game)
5. Lycoming (may surprise with what they have at RB/QB and all they have back from last year)
6. King's (might be better than most think)
7. Wilkes (same as King's)
8. Leb Valley (too many decent teams in the MAC)
9. FDU (best receiver in the conference is the highlight)
10. Misericordia (they replaced a running QB........with a running QB........the long slog continues)

On another note, to those who don't think a 1st round draft pick, a 4th and the 2017 cap space now freed up to resign Bennie Logan was a criminal haul for an oft-injured QB who was gone after this season.........I want to sit next to you at the poker table and take all of your money! ;)

BMAN!!!!!!! Welcome Back!! Now if we can only find Simba (although he tends to hibernate during brutal seasons ;) ), PBR and Colonel John.........most of the band would be back together!!!

I did not call the public execution that took place today down in Chester. I had Widener all the way. If not for the late TD drive, the Aggies would have held the Pride to under 100 total yards of offense.

I also certainly didn't call for the LebVal team that lost to DelVal and Widener in back-to-back weeks, at home, 82-6...........to beat an Albright team who had a MAC Co-Championship on the line.

Finally, how insane is it that Wilkes beats Stevenson on the road..................and loses at home to an FDU team that gives Miserables their only win of the year And gets booted stomped by King's? That's why they play the games!!

I am actually patting myself on the back with my preseason predictions in the post above: ;)

- Dead on accurate with Stevenson at the top, followed by Albright, DelVal and Widener in the #2, #3 and #4 spots.
- Lyco in the #5 spot was my worst call as they had a disappointing year and finished at #8
- I had King's at #6..............they finished at #5
- I had LebVal at #8.............they finished at #6
- Spot on with Wilkes at #7, FDU at #9 and Miserables at #10

7 right on the head.........and off by one spot on one team (King's), two on another (LebVal) and three spots on Lyco

I you want my NFL Predictions, I'll give you my website. I only take credit cards!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2016, 08:21:56 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of Pennsyltucky!! ;)

As you all know, I am not one to pat myself on the back for my spot on preseason team ranking predictions (but I already did) ;)

After Stevenson blew that home game against a far inferior Wilkes team............I called for a first round playoff matchup with Stevenson at Wesley (see above).

We have no idea if this is actually going to happen, but look at the "experts" projected brackets.

Brilliant minds think alike (and I called it a week before they did ;) )

If it doesn't happen............I will blame the "experts", as I'm just a regular guy with a knack for these things. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2016, 08:24:09 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2016, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 04, 2016, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 02, 2016, 03:55:18 PM
Excited for the season to finally kick off tonight! With the start of the season, it means the start of predictions and some fun trying to guess the upsets! My prediction for this upcoming season is as followed:

1. Albright
2. Delaware Valley
3. Stevenson
4. Widener
5. Lycoming
6. Lebanon Valley
7. Kings
8. Wilkes
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

I believe the last few weeks will become a tight three team race again between Albright, Stevenson, and Del Val. The key conference games this season I believe will be: W2 Stevenson@Albright, W4 Albright@Del Val, and W8 Del Val@Stevenson. I see Stevenson as the dark horse team in the three team race. Most people are split between Del Val and Albright winning the conference, and I understand why; however, if there was any team that could capture the conference it would be Stevenson. If Albright loses W2 and W4, it's likely you can count them out contending for a conference championship. I would circle W8: Del Val@Stevenson as a possible "unofficial" conference championship if this occurs. The only issue I see with Stevenson that leaves them as an unknown contender is the QB and LB positions. If they can find good players at those position, I see them running the table on the season.

Here are my week 1 picks:

Del Val@Wesley: Wesley wins a close game by 10
Albright@Salisbury: Albright a close game by 3
NC Wesleyan@Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 10
Rowan@Widener: Widener wins by 9
Muhlenburg@Wilkes: Muhlenburg wins by 23
Leb Val@F&M: Leb Val wins a close game by 3
Susquehanna@Lycoming: Lycoming wins by 13
Kings@Moravian: Moravian wins by 14
Utica@Misericordia: Utica wins by 24

I'm going to throw a curveball or two in here on my 2016 season predictions:

1. Stevenson (the key DelVal game is at home and getting better at the higher level transfer gig..........but not Rowan in the 90's ;) )
2. Albright (6 first place votes by MAC coaches and everybody back of significance from last year's MAC Champion)
3. DelVal (Stevenson on the road + the annual loss vs. a team that you shouldn't lose to.........at Wilkes in 2015)
4. Widener (excellent defense and solid running game)
5. Lycoming (may surprise with what they have at RB/QB and all they have back from last year)
6. King's (might be better than most think)
7. Wilkes (same as King's)
8. Leb Valley (too many decent teams in the MAC)
9. FDU (best receiver in the conference is the highlight)
10. Misericordia (they replaced a running QB........with a running QB........the long slog continues)

On another note, to those who don't think a 1st round draft pick, a 4th and the 2017 cap space now freed up to resign Bennie Logan was a criminal haul for an oft-injured QB who was gone after this season.........I want to sit next to you at the poker table and take all of your money! ;)

BMAN!!!!!!! Welcome Back!! Now if we can only find Simba (although he tends to hibernate during brutal seasons ;) ), PBR and Colonel John.........most of the band would be back together!!!

I did not call the public execution that took place today down in Chester. I had Widener all the way. If not for the late TD drive, the Aggies would have held the Pride to under 100 total yards of offense.

I also certainly didn't call for the LebVal team that lost to DelVal and Widener in back-to-back weeks, at home, 82-6...........to beat an Albright team who had a MAC Co-Championship on the line.

Finally, how insane is it that Wilkes beats Stevenson on the road..................and loses at home to an FDU team that gives Miserables their only win of the year And gets booted stomped by King's? That's why they play the games!!

I am actually patting myself on the back with my preseason predictions in the post above: ;)

- Dead on accurate with Stevenson at the top, followed by Albright, DelVal and Widener in the #2, #3 and #4 spots.
- Lyco in the #5 spot was my worst call as they had a disappointing year and finished at #8
- I had King's at #6..............they finished at #5
- I had LebVal at #8.............they finished at #6
- Spot on with Wilkes at #7, FDU at #9 and Miserables at #10

7 right on the head.........and off by one spot on one team (King's), two on another (LebVal) and three spots on Lyco

I you want my NFL Predictions, I'll give you my website. I only take credit cards!! ;)

OK, just one. Take the Eagles and the +1.5 points! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2016, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2016, 08:21:56 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of Pennsyltucky!! ;)

As you all know, I am not one to pat myself on the back for my spot on preseason team ranking predictions (but I already did) ;)

After Stevenson blew that home game against a far inferior Wilkes team............I called for a first round playoff matchup with Stevenson at Wesley (see above).

We have no idea if this is actually going to happen, but look at the "experts" projected brackets.

Brilliant minds think alike (and I called it a week before they did ;) )

If it doesn't happen............I will blame the "experts", as I'm just a regular guy with a knack for these things. ;)

Who called Stevenson at Wesley after Stevenson blew that home game vs. Wilkes?

Yours truly!!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HSCTiger74 on November 13, 2016, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2016, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2016, 08:21:56 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of Pennsyltucky!! ;)

As you all know, I am not one to pat myself on the back ???  for my spot on preseason team ranking predictions (but I already did) ;)

After Stevenson blew that home game against a far inferior Wilkes team............I called for a first round playoff matchup with Stevenson at Wesley (see above).

We have no idea if this is actually going to happen, but look at the "experts" projected brackets.

Brilliant minds think alike (and I called it a week before they did ;) )

If it doesn't happen............I will blame the "experts", as I'm just a regular guy with a knack for these things. ;)

Who called Stevenson at Wesley after Stevenson blew that home game vs. Wilkes?

Yours truly!!! ;)

  jm, if you pat yourself any harder you'll end up needing one of those rotator cuff slings. ;)  It was a good call, however.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 14, 2016, 08:02:54 PM
JM has been making eerily accurate calls for several years...
JM  Maybe you should restart the Psychic Hotline!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 16, 2016, 09:28:10 PM
MAC fans, what are the thoughts on the Wesley/Stevenson game this weekend?  What does Stevenson have to do to win the game?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 16, 2016, 10:14:40 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 16, 2016, 09:28:10 PM
MAC fans, what are the thoughts on the Wesley/Stevenson game this weekend?  What does Stevenson have to do to win the game?
Play like DelVal.... ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 17, 2016, 08:43:38 PM
Quote from: bman on November 16, 2016, 10:14:40 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 16, 2016, 09:28:10 PM
MAC fans, what are the thoughts on the Wesley/Stevenson game this weekend?  What does Stevenson have to do to win the game?
Play like DelVal.... ;D


Second this...D needs to pick up tho...they have seemed a bit down since Del Valley. ;)

Seriously tho..think it will be 1 and done for the Stangs with a loss by 10-17 range.

MAC/Centennial Bowl Games

Think the Mules will get Del Val in a VERY close one like 3 points
Albright should beat F&M by 10-17 range
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 19, 2016, 09:13:44 AM
Week 12 Predictions:

Stevenson@Widener: Stevenson wins by 3 points
F&M Marshall@ Albright: Albright wins by 10 points
Del Val@Muhlenbrrg: Del Val wins by 7 points

Although Stevenson is predicted by the majority of websites to be a 7 point underdog, I believe Stevenson has a defense that can travel well and match up with Wesley's Offense. I think the deciding factor of the game is Stevenson's offense against Wesley's defense. Regarding the MAC-Centennial bowls, the MAC I believe is stronger at the top than the Centennial conference this year. Excited to be in at the Stevenson game today. Expecting a great game. Let's go Stevenson!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 19, 2016, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 19, 2016, 09:13:44 AM
Week 12 Predictions:

Stevenson@Widener: Stevenson wins by 3 points
F&M Marshall@ Albright: Albright wins by 10 points
Del Val@Muhlenbrrg: Del Val wins by 7 points

Although Stevenson is predicted by the majority of websites to be a 7 point underdog, I believe Stevenson has a defense that can travel well and match up with Wesley's Offense. I think the deciding factor of the game is Stevenson's offense against Wesley's defense. Regarding the MAC-Centennial bowls, the MAC I believe is stronger at the top than the Centennial conference this year. Excited to be in at the Stevenson game today. Expecting a great game. Let's go Stevenson!

Hopefully it is not the defense that gave up 38 points to Wilkes.  I am not sure, from the offense that I saw against Widener, that Stevenson throws the ball well enough to take advantage of Wesley's pass defense.  It will be interesting to see.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 19, 2016, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on November 13, 2016, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2016, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2016, 08:21:56 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
Oh I know Whitewater's conference is dynamite this year. I was just pointing them out as how fluky this week is being for teams and tight games that maybe shouldn't be. Yeah I agree with your assessment but the choosers have been known to do strange stuff in the past. Doesn't matter now though. I do tend to agree with the call of one and done most likely is the story; but strange things can happen in the playoffs just ask Lyco in 1990.         

I would love to see a Stevenson vs. Wesley game..........although I can't stand that drive down to Dover. It reminds me of Pennsyltucky!! ;)

As you all know, I am not one to pat myself on the back ???  for my spot on preseason team ranking predictions (but I already did) ;)

After Stevenson blew that home game against a far inferior Wilkes team............I called for a first round playoff matchup with Stevenson at Wesley (see above).

We have no idea if this is actually going to happen, but look at the "experts" projected brackets.

Brilliant minds think alike (and I called it a week before they did ;) )

If it doesn't happen............I will blame the "experts", as I'm just a regular guy with a knack for these things. ;)

Who called Stevenson at Wesley after Stevenson blew that home game vs. Wilkes?

Yours truly!!! ;)

  jm, if you pat yourself any harder you'll end up needing one of those rotator cuff slings. ;)  It was a good call, however.

Years of good calls.......and rotator cuff slings as a result!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 19, 2016, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: bman on November 14, 2016, 08:02:54 PM
JM has been making eerily accurate calls for several years...
JM  Maybe you should restart the Psychic Hotline!

bman - I am thinking about the Psychic Hotline as it has been several years of being on a roll. ;) You did notice that in addition to the college gold, I've been giving out some Eagles gold, including last week when I told the board to take the Eagles (+1.5) over the Falcons. I have no feel for the Eagles vs. Seahawks game so I am staying away.

I've been trading the markets like a champ and went against the opinions of the M.B.A.'s from the "elite schools" (false narrative anyway) who run the largest investment houses and called for a market dump and for gold to take off if Trump pulled off the miracle. Trump did......the markets have been roaring and gold is off almost $100.00/oz.

Watch what people actually do vs. what they say with their money (kind of like saying you will accept the result of an election and then rioting afterwards ;) )

The MAC goes 2-0 once again vs. the Centennial. Many teams in the MAC have a lot coming back next year, but with the money that Stevenson, Albright and Lyco throw around in aid packages........they should be at the top in 2017.

It's hoop time and also time to see if DelVal's heavyweight, Zack Roseberry, can defend his national championship and beat some D-1 wrestlers again along the way.

I've got 50-50 odds if we see Simba come August 2017. He tends to show up when Lyco looks good.........and they have a boatload coming back and are giving away the house in aid. ;)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 19, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
I want to extend a big cudos to Stevenson for the great game they played today.  The score belies the difficulty Wesley had today especially in the first half.  Stevenson is a real deal team.  They were disciplined and athletic and the Stevenson defense pretty much shut down Falkenburg and stopped some deep drives early to keep the game close  through the first half.  Several key fumbles scratched their plans, though.

If the coach keeps to his path, I see Stevenson as a true powerhouse at some point close on the horizon.  I gotta say, I was REALLY impressed with the Stevenson fans and their incredible band.  Seriously, I felt that this was a road game at a Stevenson homecoming.  I have never, ever seen that kind of show at Wesley.  Friggin' bravo!

-Ski
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 20, 2016, 12:32:12 PM
Quote from: Teamski on November 19, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
I want to extend a big cudos to Stevenson for the great game they played today.  The score belies the difficulty Wesley had today especially in the first half.  Stevenson is a real deal team.  They were disciplined and athletic and the Stevenson defense pretty much shut down Falkenburg and stopped some deep drives early to keep the game close  through the first half.  Several key fumbles scratched their plans, though.

If the coach keeps to his path, I see Stevenson as a true powerhouse at some point close on the horizon.  I gotta say, I was REALLY impressed with the Stevenson fans and their incredible band.  Seriously, I felt that this was a road game at a Stevenson homecoming.  I have never, ever seen that kind of show at Wesley.  Friggin' bravo!

-Ski

I'm sure the team and the kids across the board would love and do love to hear this. My kiddo is in the band as a member of the guard that was part of the front rifle line ( I think I remember that they were going to do bang bang over there). The band and team have only been around 6 years so it is pretty impressive to say the least on the improvement. I think some of it also happened ( the band travel) because it was the first for them so we will see if the tradition continues. Good Luck to your team against John Carroll next week.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 20, 2016, 02:00:06 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 20, 2016, 12:32:12 PM
I'm sure the team and the kids across the board would love and do love to hear this. My kiddo is in the band as a member of the guard that was part of the front rifle line ( I think I remember that they were going to do bang bang over there). The band and team have only been around 6 years so it is pretty impressive to say the least on the improvement. I think some of it also happened ( the band travel) because it was the first for them so we will see if the tradition continues. Good Luck to your team against John Carroll next week.

I passed my sentiments to the band director while on top of the press box immediately after the show.  He was beaming as the Wesley fans were equally impressed. 

-Ski
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 20, 2016, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: Teamski on November 20, 2016, 02:00:06 PM
Quote from: wone3 on November 20, 2016, 12:32:12 PM
I'm sure the team and the kids across the board would love and do love to hear this. My kiddo is in the band as a member of the guard that was part of the front rifle line ( I think I remember that they were going to do bang bang over there). The band and team have only been around 6 years so it is pretty impressive to say the least on the improvement. I think some of it also happened ( the band travel) because it was the first for them so we will see if the tradition continues. Good Luck to your team against John Carroll next week.

I passed my sentiments to the band director while on top of the press box immediately after the show.  He was beaming as the Wesley fans were equally impressed. 

-Ski

Very cool...thanks for the compliments and again good luck next week and safe game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 21, 2016, 10:08:01 AM
Congratulations to Stevenson University on a successful season of football! Throughout the season, a bunch of program first time achievements were accomplished. Stevenson finally has a win against every opponent in the MAC after beating Del Val! They have a new program record 17 All-Conference players; including the MAC offensive, defensive, and coach of the year! Also, first time winning the MAC championship and making the NCAA playoffs! It was a tough matchup for the first time in the playoffs, but the experience will pay dividends moving forward as a program. They played a very competitive game against Wesley, plus showed how close of the gap they have closed against the D3 powers. I believe Stevenson is close to soon breaking that ceiling to be considered one of the D3 powers every season! Overall, this season was a huge point in the program that will be a key moment to look back at for what it meant to pushing the program to new heights! As a student of Stevenson University and soon to be alum, I'm proud of what they have accomplished! Furthermore, I'm beyond words for how excited I am for the future of the program! Go Mustangs!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 21, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 21, 2016, 10:08:01 AM
Congratulations to Stevenson University on a successful season of football! Throughout the season, a bunch of program first time achievements were accomplished. Stevenson finally has a win against every opponent in the MAC after beating Del Val! They have a new program record 17 All-Conference players; including the MAC offensive, defensive, and coach of the year! Also, first time winning the MAC championship and making the NCAA playoffs! It was a tough matchup for the first time in the playoffs, but the experience will pay dividends moving forward as a program. They played a very competitive game against Wesley, plus showed how close of the gap they have closed against the D3 powers. I believe Stevenson is close to soon breaking that ceiling to be considered one of the D3 powers every season! Overall, this season was a huge point in the program that will be a key moment to look back at for what it meant to pushing the program to new heights! As a student of Stevenson University and soon to be alum, I'm proud of what they have accomplished! Furthermore, I'm beyond words for how excited I am for the future of the program! Go Mustangs!

tweisman5, many good things from Stevenson this year.  The game was competitive, but that next step is a big one to move into the upper echelon of D3.  Wesley got it started in 2005 and have been chasing the top since.  They have gotten close on several occasions.  Start by winning the MAC year after year and moving on in the playoffs.  The first round will be tough as the East has some good teams and the MAC rep winning games will help.  Good luck in the future and you should be excited to follow Stevenson, my son stopped playing in 08 and I am still traveling all over to watch good football.  Will have to add Stevenson to my list of places to get to to see a game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 21, 2016, 10:04:37 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 21, 2016, 10:40:32 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 21, 2016, 10:08:01 AM
Congratulations to Stevenson University on a successful season of football! Throughout the season, a bunch of program first time achievements were accomplished. Stevenson finally has a win against every opponent in the MAC after beating Del Val! They have a new program record 17 All-Conference players; including the MAC offensive, defensive, and coach of the year! Also, first time winning the MAC championship and making the NCAA playoffs! It was a tough matchup for the first time in the playoffs, but the experience will pay dividends moving forward as a program. They played a very competitive game against Wesley, plus showed how close of the gap they have closed against the D3 powers. I believe Stevenson is close to soon breaking that ceiling to be considered one of the D3 powers every season! Overall, this season was a huge point in the program that will be a key moment to look back at for what it meant to pushing the program to new heights! As a student of Stevenson University and soon to be alum, I'm proud of what they have accomplished! Furthermore, I'm beyond words for how excited I am for the future of the program! Go Mustangs!

tweisman5, many good things from Stevenson this year.  The game was competitive, but that next step is a big one to move into the upper echelon of D3.  Wesley got it started in 2005 and have been chasing the top since.  They have gotten close on several occasions.  Start by winning the MAC year after year and moving on in the playoffs.  The first round will be tough as the East has some good teams and the MAC rep winning games will help.  Good luck in the future and you should be excited to follow Stevenson, my son stopped playing in 08 and I am still traveling all over to watch good football.  Will have to add Stevenson to my list of places to get to to see a game.

Pretty much you can walk up for most games, at least that has been the rule thru this year, with the exception of the homecoming game. Next year will be the "good cycle" for games as both Albright and Widener come into the stadium along with Lyco.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 22, 2016, 03:26:06 PM
I'm curious to see who Stevenson and other MAC members pick up for OOC games. I believe Albright still has Salisbury and Del Val still has Wesley. I'm hopeful Stevenson can find a better quality opponent in 2017. Previous opponent, N.C. Wesleyan, was an improving team that provided a good tuneup for a building program like Stevenson, but now that Stevenson has taken the next step with a conference win and NCAA playoff appearance I would like to see a better opponent. Maybe John Hopkins if they have an opening.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 22, 2016, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 22, 2016, 03:26:06 PM
I'm curious to see who Stevenson and other MAC members pick up for OOC games. I believe Albright still has Salisbury and Del Val still has Wesley. I'm hopeful Stevenson can find a better quality opponent in 2017. Previous opponent, N.C. Wesleyan, was an improving team that provided a good tuneup for a building program like Stevenson, but now that Stevenson has taken the next step with a conference win and NCAA playoff appearance I would like to see a better opponent. Maybe John Hopkins if they have an opening.

That would be cool!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2016, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: wone3 on November 22, 2016, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 22, 2016, 03:26:06 PM
I'm curious to see who Stevenson and other MAC members pick up for OOC games. I believe Albright still has Salisbury and Del Val still has Wesley. I'm hopeful Stevenson can find a better quality opponent in 2017. Previous opponent, N.C. Wesleyan, was an improving team that provided a good tuneup for a building program like Stevenson, but now that Stevenson has taken the next step with a conference win and NCAA playoff appearance I would like to see a better opponent. Maybe John Hopkins if they have an opening.

That would be cool!!

Johns Hopkins just started that contract with W&L. Not sure if it's a two-year deal or a four-year deal but this was the first year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 25, 2016, 10:06:46 PM
Just discovered that Cory Pietrzyk is going to be returning for the 2017 season. Pietryzk was a senior this year; however, he suffered a season ending injury early this season. Due to the injury, my assumption is he was granted a medical waiver, thus allowing his return. This is a major key return for Stevenson's defense for 2017. He was the starter before the injury, plus an impact player. A brief bio: multi-year starter; finished second on the defense in 2015 with 82 tackles; lead the team in sacks during 2015.

This is a great return to an already stout LB core that is expected to return much talent for the 2017 season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HSCTiger74 on November 26, 2016, 12:20:50 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2016, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: wone3 on November 22, 2016, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 22, 2016, 03:26:06 PM
I'm curious to see who Stevenson and other MAC members pick up for OOC games. I believe Albright still has Salisbury and Del Val still has Wesley. I'm hopeful Stevenson can find a better quality opponent in 2017. Previous opponent, N.C. Wesleyan, was an improving team that provided a good tuneup for a building program like Stevenson, but now that Stevenson has taken the next step with a conference win and NCAA playoff appearance I would like to see a better opponent. Maybe John Hopkins if they have an opening.

   

That would be cool!!

Johns Hopkins just started that contract with W&L. Not sure if it's a two-year deal or a four-year deal but this was the first year.

   I recently saw a comment on the ODAC board that after the current agreement with W&L ends next year Hopkins will be renewing their series with Randolph-Macon, so they're locked up until 2019 at least. Maybe someone from either school can confirm that, as my info is second-hand.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 26, 2016, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: Teamski on November 19, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
I want to extend a big cudos to Stevenson for the great game they played today.  The score belies the difficulty Wesley had today especially in the first half.  Stevenson is a real deal team.  They were disciplined and athletic and the Stevenson defense pretty much shut down Falkenburg and stopped some deep drives early to keep the game close  through the first half.  Several key fumbles scratched their plans, though.

If the coach keeps to his path, I see Stevenson as a true powerhouse at some point close on the horizon.  I gotta say, I was REALLY impressed with the Stevenson fans and their incredible band.  Seriously, I felt that this was a road game at a Stevenson homecoming.  I have never, ever seen that kind of show at Wesley.  Friggin' bravo!

-Ski

I'll opine more come next mid-August when the board comes back to life (and maybe some of the dearly departed rise from the dead), but I fully expect Stevenson to remain at the top of the MAC going forward. As they plan to become a school with around 10,000 students, they will be 4X/5X the size of the average MAC school. This will give them huge advantages with the onslaught of facilities that are planned and the aid packages as a result of the burgeoning tuition and ancillary fee income. At a time when several MAC schools are cutting aid packages to athletes (especially Widener and DelVal), Stevenson joins Albright and Lycoming with handing out large packages.

Stevenson also enjoys not having 6-8 schools in their backyard competing for talent. The Maryland area is a solid area for high school football, with not many D-III schools in the state, especially close to them.

Another huge advantage comes in 2018 when Alvernia starts their football program. As it has happened in basketball and a few other sports, Alvernia and Albright (minutes apart), will be competing for the same players and it should over the years have a negative impact on Albright's success. One only needs to look at King's and Wilkes in football, where you need 100+ players. These two schools are separated by a street. Literally, a street. Throw Misericordia in the mix, about 10 minutes away. I don't ever see any of these three schools having sustained success in football.

A much larger school down the road, with facilities that beget a 10,000 student university (twice the size of Duke and Villanova undergrad), large aid packages, recruiting advantages by not having a bunch of competition in your backyard (like DelVal/Widener/Rowan.........or Albright/Alvernia.........or Wilkes/King's/Misericordia), I see Stevenson clearly at the top of the pack going forward. I also see Stevenson out of the MAC (their doing) within 5-7 years when the MAC expands sports in their current institutions and Arcadia, DeSales and Messiah all add football.

My (more educated than you think or know) guess............Stevenson, Salisbury, Frostburg, Hood, McDaniel (rumors growing about leaving the Centennial down the road) team up with some combination of Wesley, a couple of Virginia schools and maybe a Central PA school to form a conference that makes much more geographical sense than where many of the schools are currently based from a conference perspective.

If it happens, just remember where you heard it ;)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 26, 2016, 11:20:15 AM
If Stevenson ever exits the MAC, I doubt the other venues will shed copious tears.  :P
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 26, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 26, 2016, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: Teamski on November 19, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
I want to extend a big cudos to Stevenson for the great game they played today.  The score belies the difficulty Wesley had today especially in the first half.  Stevenson is a real deal team.  They were disciplined and athletic and the Stevenson defense pretty much shut down Falkenburg and stopped some deep drives early to keep the game close  through the first half.  Several key fumbles scratched their plans, though.

If the coach keeps to his path, I see Stevenson as a true powerhouse at some point close on the horizon.  I gotta say, I was REALLY impressed with the Stevenson fans and their incredible band.  Seriously, I felt that this was a road game at a Stevenson homecoming.  I have never, ever seen that kind of show at Wesley.  Friggin' bravo!

-Ski

I'll opine more come next mid-August when the board comes back to life (and maybe some of the dearly departed rise from the dead), but I fully expect Stevenson to remain at the top of the MAC going forward. As they plan to become a school with around 10,000 students, they will be 4X/5X the size of the average MAC school. This will give them huge advantages with the onslaught of facilities that are planned and the aid packages as a result of the burgeoning tuition and ancillary fee income. At a time when several MAC schools are cutting aid packages to athletes (especially Widener and DelVal), Stevenson joins Albright and Lycoming with handing out large packages.

Stevenson also enjoys not having 6-8 schools in their backyard competing for talent. The Maryland area is a solid area for high school football, with not many D-III schools in the state, especially close to them.

Another huge advantage comes in 2018 when Alvernia starts their football program. As it has happened in basketball and a few other sports, Alvernia and Albright (minutes apart), will be competing for the same players and it should over the years have a negative impact on Albright's success. One only needs to look at King's and Wilkes in football, where you need 100+ players. These two schools are separated by a street. Literally, a street. Throw Misericordia in the mix, about 10 minutes away. I don't ever see any of these three schools having sustained success in football.

A much larger school down the road, with facilities that beget a 10,000 student university (twice the size of Duke and Villanova undergrad), large aid packages, recruiting advantages by not having a bunch of competition in your backyard (like DelVal/Widener/Rowan.........or Albright/Alvernia.........or Wilkes/King's/Misericordia), I see Stevenson clearly at the top of the pack going forward. I also see Stevenson out of the MAC (their doing) within 5-7 years when the MAC expands sports in their current institutions and Arcadia, DeSales and Messiah all add football.

My (more educated than you think or know) guess............Stevenson, Salisbury, Frostburg, Hood, McDaniel (rumors growing about leaving the Centennial down the road) team up with some combination of Wesley, a couple of Virginia schools and maybe a Central PA school to form a conference that makes much more geographical sense than where many of the schools are currently based from a conference perspective.

If it happens, just remember where you heard it ;)

I was literally thinking about this the other day. I believe as of this moment, Stevenson is perfectly happy with the MAC conference. Main reason I say this is because the MAC aligns with there mission, which is to be a National Championship contender every year in every sport. Stevenson's athletic program covers a vast array of sports. Additionally, they are always looking to add more sports. Reason why the MAC fits is because they offer something no other conference currently can claim, the most conference championships awarded. The MAC just announced Men's and Women's Ice Hockey plus Men's Volleyball as there 27th sport. This offers Stevenson a central home conference. Until another conference can form to offer the same package, I believe Stevenson will be content.

Looking ahead, I do believe Stevenson is always open to better options that would fit their growing program and University. Ideally, I would like to see them target other geographical institutions to form a new conference. I tried to have a little fun with this and here are some institutions I identified for a hypothetical conference: Stevenson University, Salisbury University, Wesley College, Johns Hopkins University, Frostburg State University, McDaniel College, Christopher Newport University, and York College. Questionable options I like would be Washington and Lee University/Lynchburg University and Gettysburg College/Mulhenburg College. Also, Hood and St. Mary's would be another pair of good options. Now if this could happen, this would be a great lineup of institutions; however, I believe an agreement would have to be made by the ADs to commit to adding more athletic programs at certain institutions to build a stable base. Until a dream scenario like this happens, I see Stevenson remaining in the MAC.
Title: Re: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 29, 2016, 08:59:42 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 14, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Simba on October 07, 2005, 10:56:28 PM
"Our kids don't feel good about this at all," Girardi said. "Any time a game like this happens you want to play the very next day. I can see it in them. I think they are going to give a good account of themselves. I really do."
    Baltz, a three-year starter and one of four captains, said the Warriors want to show members of past championship teams that they aren't as bad as their record or last week's result indicates. Lycoming has won 13 Middle Atlantic Conference titles and members of every championship team should be in attendance Saturday.
    "We want to show them that we can still play the same way that they did," Baltz said. "We want to show them that we're not dead yet." (Williamsport Sun Gazette)

The Lyco football family of athletes will always be there to support the Warriors in both victory & defeat, unlike many of the past frontrunners who have posted on this board and have come & gone....The current group of frontrunners' longevity on this board, supporting their team, even in defeat, remains to be seen!...Simba

I was a little bored today trading futures and commodities so I went back and read the first 50 pages or so of the 2005 season (the first 50 pages under the new format). I can't believe how mean spirited and harsh the board was at that time. Damn!!! Many of those posters are long gone but I found it funny that even back then, bman was busting simba's stones about only hearing from him after Lycoming victories...........and with stories from the distant past. ;)

Simba, as the last paragraph from one of your posts (above) from 2005 (almost 11 years ago to the day) states...........have you become (or always been) that same frontrunner who is heard from in the good times, but disappears in the not-so-good times? Interesting.

The human condition continues to fascinate me (the Swarthmore in me ;) )

Also..........I would love to hear from the dearly departed PBR.........

Go back and read some of the threads on the Liberty League board between myself and Regulator and (Engine)Gro and LewDogg.... Now that is some funny ish and will provide lots of laughs. Still laugh about the some of those conversations with the boys. Happy Holidays peeps... PBR peace out
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 09, 2016, 01:12:14 AM
Recently watch the end of season Week 12 coaches corner video with Stevenson University head coach Ed Hottle. He discussed the season accomplishments, experience of program first NCAA playoff, and the legacy of this year's senior class. The interesting tidbit I picked up in the video was around the 7:25 minute mark in the video. Hottle mentioned that the season opener for the 2017 season will be against a team that finished this season 10-1 and likely a top 25 team in the final poll. After searching through the NCAA D3 program standings, I only found one team that has a 10-1 record, Frostburg St. This isn't what I was told by anyone, but from the clues I found, it suggest that we could see a 2017 Week 1 matchup of Stevenson vs. Frostburg St. I'm really excited because Hottle referenced the next step for the program is to challenge themselves with a stronger quality opponent! Frostburg St. would definitely be a great matchup to open the season. Curious to see if the matchup will be at home for Stevenson. Already looking forward to the 2017 season, Go Mustangs!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 09, 2016, 01:47:40 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on December 09, 2016, 01:12:14 AM
Recently watch the end of season Week 12 coaches corner video with Stevenson University head coach Ed Hottle. He discussed the season accomplishments, experience of program first NCAA playoff, and the legacy of this year's senior class. The interesting tidbit I picked up in the video was around the 7:25 minute mark in the video. Hottle mentioned that the season opener for the 2017 season will be against a team that finished this season 10-1 and likely a top 25 team in the final poll. After searching through the NCAA D3 program standings, I only found one team that has a 10-1 record, Frostburg St. This isn't what I was told by anyone, but from the clues I found, it suggest that we could see a 2017 Week 1 matchup of Stevenson vs. Frostburg St. I'm really excited because Hottle referenced the next step for the program is to challenge themselves with a stronger quality opponent! Frostburg St. would definitely be a great matchup to open the season. Curious to see if the matchup will be at home for Stevenson. Already looking forward to the 2017 season, Go Mustangs!

Monmouth is also 10-1, but probably won't be ranked. And is like a thousand miles further away. :) Good find!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on January 05, 2017, 02:01:35 PM
DelVal's own Rasheed Bailey re-signed by the Philadelphia Eagles!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on January 05, 2017, 05:57:56 PM
Looks like Alvernia has found its first head football coach.  Ralph Clark, who comes by the way of D-II Seton Hill where he was their DC and Recruiting Coordinator.

https://twitter.com/d3football/status/817101375557529604
http://athletics.alvernia.edu/news/2017/1/4/ralph-clark-named-inaugural-head-football-coach-at-alvernia-university.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on January 07, 2017, 09:19:43 PM
Any idea how the conference will be constructed in 2018 when Alvernia begins playing? Will there be a conference championship game if the round robin schedule currently in place gets removed?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2017, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on January 07, 2017, 09:19:43 PM
Any idea how the conference will be constructed in 2018 when Alvernia begins playing? Will there be a conference championship game if the round robin schedule currently in place gets removed?

When Alvernia initially announced football the conference said it would have a 2018 conference schedule in the coming months.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on February 25, 2017, 02:45:41 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on December 09, 2016, 01:12:14 AM
Recently watch the end of season Week 12 coaches corner video with Stevenson University head coach Ed Hottle. He discussed the season accomplishments, experience of program first NCAA playoff, and the legacy of this year's senior class. The interesting tidbit I picked up in the video was around the 7:25 minute mark in the video. Hottle mentioned that the season opener for the 2017 season will be against a team that finished this season 10-1 and likely a top 25 team in the final poll. After searching through the NCAA D3 program standings, I only found one team that has a 10-1 record, Frostburg St. This isn't what I was told by anyone, but from the clues I found, it suggest that we could see a 2017 Week 1 matchup of Stevenson vs. Frostburg St. I'm really excited because Hottle referenced the next step for the program is to challenge themselves with a stronger quality opponent! Frostburg St. would definitely be a great matchup to open the season. Curious to see if the matchup will be at home for Stevenson. Already looking forward to the 2017 season, Go Mustangs!

If this is the case I LOVE this move on a couple of levels. Better out of conference game against a good conference based on last year. Also gets even more fun in my family household as my girlie's grandparents ( my folks) are Frostburg alum. Certainly would get them over for the home game in week 1. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on March 07, 2017, 01:02:33 AM
Quote from: wone3 on February 25, 2017, 02:45:41 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on December 09, 2016, 01:12:14 AM
Recently watch the end of season Week 12 coaches corner video with Stevenson University head coach Ed Hottle. He discussed the season accomplishments, experience of program first NCAA playoff, and the legacy of this year's senior class. The interesting tidbit I picked up in the video was around the 7:25 minute mark in the video. Hottle mentioned that the season opener for the 2017 season will be against a team that finished this season 10-1 and likely a top 25 team in the final poll. After searching through the NCAA D3 program standings, I only found one team that has a 10-1 record, Frostburg St. This isn't what I was told by anyone, but from the clues I found, it suggest that we could see a 2017 Week 1 matchup of Stevenson vs. Frostburg St. I'm really excited because Hottle referenced the next step for the program is to challenge themselves with a stronger quality opponent! Frostburg St. would definitely be a great matchup to open the season. Curious to see if the matchup will be at home for Stevenson. Already looking forward to the 2017 season, Go Mustangs!

If this is the case I LOVE this move on a couple of levels. Better out of conference game against a good conference based on last year. Also gets even more fun in my family household as my girlie's grandparents ( my folks) are Frostburg alum. Certainly would get them over for the home game in week 1. ;)

After searching, I've found some sources that can confirm my earlier stated belief regarding the schedule. According to a picture from a Stevenson University football player and the team Hudl page, the following will be the 2017 schedule:

W1 (8/31 at 7pm): at Frostburg St.
W2 (9/9 at 1pm): vs. King's
W3 (9/16 at 1pm): at FDU
W4 (9/23 at 1pm): at Delaware Valley
W5 (9/30 at 1pm): vs. Misericordia
W6: Bye
W7 (10/14 at 1pm): at Lebanon Valley
W8 (10/21 at 1pm): vs. Albright
W9 (10/28 at 1pm): vs. Widener
W10 (11/4 at 1pm): at Wilkes
W11 (11/11 at 1pm): vs. Lycoming

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on March 18, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
Very cool and based on that Homecoming will be either Albright or Widener ( I'd lay odds on Albright based on previous dates).

I also know cause of Girlie and the band page that they are planning massed band day on 9/30; which is smart cause if history prevails that game will get ugly early probably. They'll need something to hold the crowd.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on March 20, 2017, 11:06:35 PM
Wondering who Widener won't play, based on the add...although I probably should check the schedule prior to this comment... :P
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: bman on March 20, 2017, 11:06:35 PM
Wondering who Widener won't play, based on the add...although I probably should check the schedule prior to this comment... :P

Widener doesn't have its schedule posted, but we do:
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Widener/2017/index
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on March 24, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: bman on March 20, 2017, 11:06:35 PM
Wondering who Widener won't play, based on the add...although I probably should check the schedule prior to this comment... :P

Widener doesn't have its schedule posted, but we do:
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Widener/2017/index
Thanks as always Pat!  I did notice that they are short a couple of games.  I guess there are a couple of games to firm up...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2017, 04:40:31 PM
Quote from: bman on March 24, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: bman on March 20, 2017, 11:06:35 PM
Wondering who Widener won't play, based on the add...although I probably should check the schedule prior to this comment... :P

Widener doesn't have its schedule posted, but we do:
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Widener/2017/index
Thanks as always Pat!  I did notice that they are short a couple of games.  I guess there are a couple of games to firm up...

No, there's 10 on this schedule as of when I posted the link.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on March 28, 2017, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2017, 04:40:31 PM
Quote from: bman on March 24, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: bman on March 20, 2017, 11:06:35 PM
Wondering who Widener won't play, based on the add...although I probably should check the schedule prior to this comment... :P

Widener doesn't have its schedule posted, but we do:
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Widener/2017/index
Thanks as always Pat!  I did notice that they are short a couple of games.  I guess there are a couple of games to firm up...

No, there's 10 on this schedule as of when I posted the link.



Thanks I guess it's my phone...I'll have to check the PC.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 12, 2017, 03:22:58 PM
So no more two a days with full contact....
What a sad pathetic little nation we have become...
...but I don't think they mentioned anything about 3 a days...:)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Hank Mardukas on April 20, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Breaking News:

The Johns Hopkins vs Muhlenberg game will be televised on ESPN 3 this year. Both teams have been the two most dominant teams in their conference but both teams are also experiencing much turnover.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2017, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on April 20, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Breaking News:

The Johns Hopkins vs Muhlenberg game will be televised on ESPN 3 this year. Both teams have been the two most dominant teams in their conference but both teams are also experiencing much turnover.

You should post this in the Centennial Conference room in the South Region. That should be interesting to see.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on April 20, 2017, 12:33:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2017, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on April 20, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Breaking News:

The Johns Hopkins vs Muhlenberg game will be televised on ESPN 3 this year. Both teams have been the two most dominant teams in their conference but both teams are also experiencing much turnover.

You should post this in the Centennial Conference room in the South Region. That should be interesting to see.

Except there are more non-conf visitors to that board than active posters most seasons...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2017, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: jknezek on April 20, 2017, 12:33:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2017, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on April 20, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Breaking News:

The Johns Hopkins vs Muhlenberg game will be televised on ESPN 3 this year. Both teams have been the two most dominant teams in their conference but both teams are also experiencing much turnover.

You should post this in the Centennial Conference room in the South Region. That should be interesting to see.

Except there are more non-conf visitors to that board than active posters most seasons...

Even fewer if people post on the MAC board instead!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on April 20, 2017, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on April 20, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Breaking News:

The Johns Hopkins vs Muhlenberg game will be televised on ESPN 3 this year. Both teams have been the two most dominant teams in their conference but both teams are also experiencing much turnover.

Thanks for posting Hank! Hopefully ESPN will follow with more D3 FB games on ESPN 3. It's great football that dlip believes people would enjoy.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2017, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: dlip on April 20, 2017, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on April 20, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Breaking News:

The Johns Hopkins vs Muhlenberg game will be televised on ESPN 3 this year. Both teams have been the two most dominant teams in their conference but both teams are also experiencing much turnover.

Thanks for posting Hank! Hopefully ESPN will follow with more D3 FB games on ESPN 3. It's great football that dlip believes people would enjoy.

Generally, if schools are willing to pay for it, ESPN3 will host it. That's how a lot of the smaller D-I productions work, too.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 22, 2017, 05:42:11 PM
I'll be watching....
I wish more schools would do it.
My buddy once asked Channel 6 in Philly why they didn't televise local D2 and D3 football..  He was told that they would get better ratings with women's bowling reruns..._(true story).... :-\
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 24, 2017, 01:45:14 PM
Ow!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 27, 2017, 03:24:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2017, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: dlip on April 20, 2017, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: Hank Mardukas on April 20, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
Breaking News:

The Johns Hopkins vs Muhlenberg game will be televised on ESPN 3 this year. Both teams have been the two most dominant teams in their conference but both teams are also experiencing much turnover.

Thanks for posting Hank! Hopefully ESPN will follow with more D3 FB games on ESPN 3. It's great football that dlip believes people would enjoy.

Generally, if schools are willing to pay for it, ESPN3 will host it. That's how a lot of the smaller D-I productions work, too.

Correct... ESPN3 (WatchESPN) is mainly a portal.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on April 29, 2017, 09:47:06 PM
Stevenson University DB Austin Tennessee signs an UDFA contract with the Minnesota Vikings! So proud of the football program as a student and soon to be alum!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on May 04, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on April 29, 2017, 09:47:06 PM
Stevenson University DB Austin Tennessee signs an UDFA contract with the Minnesota Vikings! So proud of the football program as a student and soon to be alum!

Congrats to Stevenson - good program.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on May 05, 2017, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on April 29, 2017, 09:47:06 PM
Stevenson University DB Austin Tennessee signs an UDFA contract with the Minnesota Vikings! So proud of the football program as a student and soon to be alum!
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That's just a great football name as well!   I hope he makes it...
Congrats to Stevenson and Austin.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 06, 2017, 09:12:06 PM
It was a better name when Keith Olbermann talked about his highlight his freshman year when he ran back a 100 yard fumble recovery and finished with Tennessee (with a Maryland reference) is running off to Kentucky. LOL
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on June 15, 2017, 10:08:22 AM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.


Team   Rating   Overall   Conference
Del Val         0.9057   8.1-1.9   7.8-1.2
Albright      0.8375   7.4-2.6   7.0-2.0
Stevenson      0.8077   7.2-2.8   6.8-2.2
Widener      0.6732   5.9-4.1   5.5-3.5
King's         0.5519   5.0-5.0   4.5-4.5
Lebanon Valley   0.5203   4.7-5.3   4.3-4.7
Lycoming      0.5006   4.4-5.6   4.1-4.9
Wilkes         0.2887   2.5-7.5   2.5-6.5
Misericordia      0.1325   1.5-8.5   1.4-7.6
FDU-Florham   0.0950   1.2-8.8   1.1-7.9

At Week 10 last season, Del Val was 3rd in the conference behind Albright & Stevenson, but dismantling Widener and then beating a dang good Muhlenberg team shot them up into first (Stevenson's loss to Wilkes helped, too). I've tried a few different ways of incorporating previous seasons, and using a team's final rating (i.e. how they were playing at the end of the season) pretty much always produces the best results. I'll be interested to see if they bring enough back to keep that momentum going into the season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 16, 2017, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: HansenRatings on June 15, 2017, 10:08:22 AM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.


Team   Rating   Overall   Conference
Del Val         0.9057   8.1-1.9   7.8-1.2
Albright      0.8375   7.4-2.6   7.0-2.0
Stevenson      0.8077   7.2-2.8   6.8-2.2
Widener      0.6732   5.9-4.1   5.5-3.5
King's         0.5519   5.0-5.0   4.5-4.5
Lebanon Valley   0.5203   4.7-5.3   4.3-4.7
Lycoming      0.5006   4.4-5.6   4.1-4.9
Wilkes         0.2887   2.5-7.5   2.5-6.5
Misericordia      0.1325   1.5-8.5   1.4-7.6
FDU-Florham   0.0950   1.2-8.8   1.1-7.9

At Week 10 last season, Del Val was 3rd in the conference behind Albright & Stevenson, but dismantling Widener and then beating a dang good Muhlenberg team shot them up into first (Stevenson's loss to Wilkes helped, too). I've tried a few different ways of incorporating previous seasons, and using a team's final rating (i.e. how they were playing at the end of the season) pretty much always produces the best results. I'll be interested to see if they bring enough back to keep that momentum going into the season.

Not sure I'm buying Albright being that high...
Time will tell I guess... feel free to copy and post this in December if I'm wrong...:)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on June 18, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on June 15, 2017, 10:08:22 AM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.


Team   Rating   Overall   Conference
Del Val         0.9057   8.1-1.9   7.8-1.2
Albright      0.8375   7.4-2.6   7.0-2.0
Stevenson      0.8077   7.2-2.8   6.8-2.2
Widener      0.6732   5.9-4.1   5.5-3.5
King's         0.5519   5.0-5.0   4.5-4.5
Lebanon Valley   0.5203   4.7-5.3   4.3-4.7
Lycoming      0.5006   4.4-5.6   4.1-4.9
Wilkes         0.2887   2.5-7.5   2.5-6.5
Misericordia      0.1325   1.5-8.5   1.4-7.6
FDU-Florham   0.0950   1.2-8.8   1.1-7.9

At Week 10 last season, Del Val was 3rd in the conference behind Albright & Stevenson, but dismantling Widener and then beating a dang good Muhlenberg team shot them up into first (Stevenson's loss to Wilkes helped, too). I've tried a few different ways of incorporating previous seasons, and using a team's final rating (i.e. how they were playing at the end of the season) pretty much always produces the best results. I'll be interested to see if they bring enough back to keep that momentum going into the season.

I think going into the season, the breakdown within the conference will be as followed:

Tier I (Championship Contender)
1. Stevenson
2. Del Val

Tier II (Dark Horse)
3. Albright

Tier III (Early Season Contender)
4. Widener

Tier IV (Middle of the Pack)
5. Lebanon Valley
6. King's
7. Lycoming
8. Wilkes

Tier V (Bottom Feeder)
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

Obviously the actual result will shake out differently as unforeseen injuries and unknown transfers during the offseason will create an impact. I believe based on what I seen last season, it is going to end with a Stevenson vs Del Val race for the conference championship. I'd circle the September 23 game, Stevenson at Del Val, as the conference game of the year since it could be a key decision for deciding who wins the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 14, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
Stay strong Coach Donnelly!!

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/muhlenberg-football-coach-mike-donnelly-leukemia-fight-for-life-20170814.html
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on August 26, 2017, 01:54:51 PM
Good Luck to Del Val Thursday night taking on Wesley College at 7 pm in Doylestown.   Hope the weather holds out, and i'm looking forward to a great game that i'll be watching on my tablet!   Go Aggies!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on August 26, 2017, 06:11:03 PM
Quote from: kate on August 26, 2017, 01:54:51 PM
Good Luck to Del Val Thursday night taking on Wesley College at 7 pm in Doylestown.   Hope the weather holds out, and i'm looking forward to a great game that i'll be watching on my tablet!   Go Aggies!!!

Dlip will be watching as well. He has been looking forward to this all year! Great week #1 East Region matchup!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 29, 2017, 09:04:29 PM
Quote from: kate on August 26, 2017, 01:54:51 PM
Good Luck to Del Val Thursday night taking on Wesley College at 7 pm in Doylestown.   Hope the weather holds out, and i'm looking forward to a great game that i'll be watching on my tablet!   Go Aggies!!!
I missed get just have to tune in as well...not sure whom I'll be rooting for yet though.... ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on August 30, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
Hey, bman, can't go wrong with the green and gold! ;)  I just want a well played game where there are no injuries on either side!   Also, good luck to King's tomorrow night when Moravian (our college right up the road) goes up to Wilkes Barre!   Go Aggies and Go Monarchs!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2017, 08:44:35 AM
Yours truly was "as money as money could be" last year with my weekly and final standings predictions, so much so that if the possibility to put money down on the table existed..........I'd be typing this from my villa in Bermuda, getting fanned while being fed grapes!! So what I'm saying about 2017..........there is nowhere to go but down as perfection can't be perfected. I'll just try to be very good. Yes, I've lowered the bar!!

The top three teams (DelVal, Stevenson, Albright) were virtually in a tie for the top spot (75, 72 and 72 points) so it really is a crapshoot. I've also learned a few things about these polls from friends of mine on the basketball side.........let's just call it a "psychological vote", if one can read between the lines (i.e. let's really get up for the team voted #1, we were disrespected, blah, blah, blah:)

Here are the Final Standings Predictions:

The Top Three (Unlikely, but all could go 8-1 in the MAC):
1. Albright - Has just about every offensive key player back in the fold as well as key players on the defense. Has DelVal at home.
2. Stevenson - Loaded and capitalizing on built in recruiting advantages and big packages combined with cheaper tuition. Won't be in the MAC in 5 years (the buzz is building). Has Albright at home.
3. DelVal - Might have the best defense in the league but offense lost some key players and will be up and down. Has Stevenson at home (and is playing no games with tickets, eh hem:)

The Close Three:
4. Widener - Very young last two years. Very skilled returnees. Should be very dangerous and could contend if things break right.
5. Lycoming - In the Widener boat. Very young. Very skilled. Just about every key player is back. No excuses. Expectations high in Williamsport.
6. King's - Tough team to figure out but with the QB returning, if they get any defense, they could surprise some people.

The Distant Four:
7. LebVal - A lot of youth last year and should be a bit better. A 4 win season would be a victory.
8. Wilkes - Tough one to figure out. A lot of returnees but not sure how that translates against the Top Three and Close Three.
9. FDU- Loved their passing game last year. If they can establish a running game and play some defense they could pick off a couple of teams.
10. Misericordia - It feels like it's about time to see some improvement in the program. My hoops buddies say they put some nice packages together for a handful of "difference makers". We'll see.

Week One Predictions:
Wesley - 24     DelVal - 20     I don't see Wesley losing in consecutive years to anybody not named Mount Union, Whitewater, UMHB, John Carroll, etc. Too much on the defensive side returning and a QB with a full year under his belt. Games are won and lost in the trenches and this is Wesley's big advantage
King's - 30     Moravian - 23     To give any reason here would be akin to the talking heads on sports talk radio acting as if they actually  are in the "know". They are not. Nor am I:) Go MAC!!!
Stevenson - 20     Frostburg - 16     Stevenson returns a ton from last year, more than Frostburg. These two will be in the same conference 5-7 years from now. Book it!

FDU - 27     TCNJ - 16     TCNJ won't stop the FDU passing game in a battle of the acronyms
Albright - 26     Salisbury - 23     Down to the wire but my preseason MAC champ squeezes out a victory (against another team that will be in the same conference as Stevenson in 5-7 years:)

Merchant Marine - 27     Misericordia - 21     Could this be Miser's best shot at a victory this year? Close but no cigar.
Lycoming - 30     Susquehanna - 20     The "no excuses" season starts out on the right foot with a season opening victory. Our Lyco poster is at least with us this year for a week or two:)
F&M - 31     LebVal - 30     A closer game than expected goes down to the wire.
Muhlenberg- 34     Wilkes - 17     Wilkes has a puncher's shot. Not a McGregor shot (which was no shot)......but a puncher's shot.
Widener - 24     Rowan - 20     Widener had a ton of very young talent last year that has matured. Rowan lost quite a bit. This could go either way so I flipped a coin and made bman happy!!

Lastly:
The Eagles will go 8-8 but make tangible progress
The Sixers will get the #7 seed in the East
Gold's spike is fools gold (pun intended)........short it soon
I will take Mount Youngstown/University of Wisconsin/UMHB...............and you can all have the field (kind of like me taking the Golden State Warriors and giving you the field:)

Football is here...............Merry Christmas to all........and to all a good day/night!!

Peace out!!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on August 31, 2017, 09:09:15 AM
DVC 21 Wesley 20 .... Werd....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 31, 2017, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on June 18, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on June 15, 2017, 10:08:22 AM
Decided I'm going to spam every conference board with my preseason (non-returning-starter-adjusted) projections.


Team   Rating   Overall   Conference
Del Val         0.9057   8.1-1.9   7.8-1.2
Albright      0.8375   7.4-2.6   7.0-2.0
Stevenson      0.8077   7.2-2.8   6.8-2.2
Widener      0.6732   5.9-4.1   5.5-3.5
King's         0.5519   5.0-5.0   4.5-4.5
Lebanon Valley   0.5203   4.7-5.3   4.3-4.7
Lycoming      0.5006   4.4-5.6   4.1-4.9
Wilkes         0.2887   2.5-7.5   2.5-6.5
Misericordia      0.1325   1.5-8.5   1.4-7.6
FDU-Florham   0.0950   1.2-8.8   1.1-7.9

At Week 10 last season, Del Val was 3rd in the conference behind Albright & Stevenson, but dismantling Widener and then beating a dang good Muhlenberg team shot them up into first (Stevenson's loss to Wilkes helped, too). I've tried a few different ways of incorporating previous seasons, and using a team's final rating (i.e. how they were playing at the end of the season) pretty much always produces the best results. I'll be interested to see if they bring enough back to keep that momentum going into the season.

I think going into the season, the breakdown within the conference will be as followed:

Tier I (Championship Contender)
1. Stevenson
2. Del Val

Tier II (Dark Horse)
3. Albright

Tier III (Early Season Contender)
4. Widener

Tier IV (Middle of the Pack)
5. Lebanon Valley
6. King's
7. Lycoming
8. Wilkes

Tier V (Bottom Feeder)
9. FDU-Florham
10. Misericordia

Obviously the actual result will shake out differently as unforeseen injuries and unknown transfers during the offseason will create an impact. I believe based on what I seen last season, it is going to end with a Stevenson vs Del Val race for the conference championship. I'd circle the September 23 game, Stevenson at Del Val, as the conference game of the year since it could be a key decision for deciding who wins the conference.

Above is my conference prediction for the 2017 season that I posted recently. As for my prediction for week 1, below I included the spread favorite (-#) from Massey Ratings along with my predicted winner (in bold) and the score margin of victory. Additionally, I included the top 25 average preseason rankings for the games from Logan Hansen's website. I'm beyond excited for the season to finally kickoff!

Week 1 Predictions:
#10 Wesley(-10.5)@#25 Del Val: Wesley wins by 5
#21 Stevenson@#15 Frostburg St(-7.5): Stevenson wins by 3
Salisbury(-7.5)@Albright: Salisbury wins by 3
Moravian@King's(-0.5): Kings wins by 1
FDU@TCNJ(-10.5): TCNJ wins by 7
Lycoming@Susquehanna(-7.5): Susquehanna wins by 8
F&M(-3.5)@Leb Val: F&M wins by 7
Widener@Rowan(-8.5):Widener wins by 3
Wilkes@Muhlenburg(-19.5): Muhlenburg wins by 20
Misericordia@Merchant Marine(-10.5): Merchant Marine wins by 14
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on August 31, 2017, 05:54:03 PM
Is the game being streamed online?


Quote from: kate on August 26, 2017, 01:54:51 PM
Good Luck to Del Val Thursday night taking on Wesley College at 7 pm in Doylestown.   Hope the weather holds out, and i'm looking forward to a great game that i'll be watching on my tablet!   Go Aggies!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on August 31, 2017, 08:10:41 PM
At the half Del Val 22 - Wesley 3!   Hold on Aggies!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on August 31, 2017, 08:15:23 PM
Kate, if the game continues as is you don't have to worry about that. Wesley is not very good so far. The vaunted O line is not very good at pass protecting. Barring any crazy change in the game Del Val will coast in this game. Wesley looks lost in most aspects. The only positive is the running game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on August 31, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
No coasting, but Del Val hangs on for the win 24/19.   Wesley really made it close in the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Teamski on August 31, 2017, 09:55:57 PM
Congrads to Del Val for a great game.  Good luck this year in the MAC and beyond.  We're going to need some as well...... :-\

-Ski
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 31, 2017, 10:37:17 PM
Good Job Del Val!  Although a loos would have helped my WUs!   
Either Frostburg is really good again this year, or Stevenson has slipped a bit.   That was a dominating win by Frostburg.  I guess we'll know in a couple of weeks which it is...    Definitely going to be a good one between Stevenson and Del Val...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on August 31, 2017, 10:46:31 PM
Well played first half by Del Val, took advantage of the Wesley mistakes and put enough point on the board to hold on for the win.  Adjustments by Wesley on D took away the short passes and Del Val struggled moving the ball.  The big run was on a broken play.  Del Val has a nice defense and will be tough on anyone, but the offense will have to generate more than 220 total yards to beat top teams.  Based on tonight's results, I did not see the Frostburg beat down of Stevenson, but I would have to make Del Val the favorite in that game especially at Del Val.  Good luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 01, 2017, 09:31:44 AM
Quote from: PBR... on August 31, 2017, 09:09:15 AM
DVC 21 Wesley 20 .... Werd....

All who cashed you're welcome.... those who chose to go the other way and ignore PBR thanks for playing.... (https://media.giphy.com/media/n8LOaQyDyiEhi/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 01, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 31, 2017, 03:21:09 PM


Week 1 Predictions:
#10 Wesley(-10.5)@#25 Del Val: Wesley wins by 5
#21 Stevenson@#15 Frostburg St(-7.5): Stevenson wins by 3
Salisbury(-7.5)@Albright: Salisbury wins by 3
Moravian@King's(-0.5): Kings wins by 1
FDU@TCNJ(-10.5): TCNJ wins by 7
Lycoming@Susquehanna(-7.5): Susquehanna wins by 8
F&M(-3.5)@Leb Val: F&M wins by 7
Widener@Rowan(-8.5):Widener wins by 3
Wilkes@Muhlenburg(-19.5): Muhlenburg wins by 20
Misericordia@Merchant Marine(-10.5): Merchant Marine wins by 14

Well (sans the Thursday games)  my predictions for this weekend...

Salisbury -7.5 @ Albright                         Albright wins outright and hence covers 27-24...my upset special
FDU@TCNJ(-10.5)                                   TCNJ wins in OT 10-7
Lycoming@Susquehanna(-7.5):                Susquehanna wins 27-21  Joy erupts in Selinsgrove ::)
F&M(-3.5)@Leb Val:                                 Leb Val teases the MAC again with a strong start and wins by a TD 31-24
Widener@Rowan(-8.5)                             Widener is tied at half, but fades in 2nd half losing by 10  24-14 :'(
Wilkes@Muhlenburg(-19.5):                     Muhlenburg wins by an unknown margin...If bad Wilkes shows up, they win by 3 tds...if good Wilkes shows, than by 1 TD... ???
Misericordia@Merchant Marine(-10.5):      Merchant Marine wins 28-14

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 01, 2017, 04:32:13 PM
Disappointing and missed opportunity against a very good Frostburg State program. Although the final score was an awful loopsided result, I don't believe it accurately reflects the gap between these to programs. Here's my reasons why I feel both programs are closer than what people interpret from the final score:

1. Given Opportunities: Frostburg scored 14 points on offense with a short field of less than 25 yards both times. Furthermore, they scored 21 from less than 35 yards. If Stevenson cuts these given opportunities out, the defense showed it was able to create issues for Frostburg from traveling the field.
2. Too Many Flags: Most of the night consisted of flags being thrown against Stevenson (9 for 105 yards). The majority of those flags were holding calls against the line. This created an issue for Stevenson's offense from being able to put together any drive due to constantly being beyond 1st & 10 all night.
3. Takeways: Stevenson gave away 5 total takeaways. These 5 were all fumbles, 3 of which were lost. Furthermore, one of the fumbles was in our end zone, which provided Frostburg the opportunity to score with the recovery.
4. Wasted opportunity: Early in the game Stevenson had the opportunity to go up 7-0 with a deep strike to Preston Addo that went over 73 yards; however, the drive stalled at Frostburg's 3 yard line. Unable to punch in the score allowed Frostburg to have first strike opportunity and put Stevenson behind early.
5. Missed Sacks: Although Stevenson had 2 sacks in the game; several missed opportunities allowed Frostburg to create positive plays out of negatives. Several times their QB was scrambling beyond 10 yards behind the LOS; however, being very elusive allowed him to escape several would be sacks.

Overall, Frostburg is a very good program with a terrific RB group and a difference making DT with NFL opportunity. Regardless, if you remove the given opportunities and mistakes, the game should have been at least 7-6 Mustangs or 14-6 if we punch it in from 3 yards out early. I know it doesn't matter how you win but instead if you win. It's just was awful to know we lost because of our own mistakes and not really what they did. If you don't believe me, just look at the game's box score and drive summaries.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 01, 2017, 05:57:19 PM
What I'd find concerning, is that Stevenson was causing those things(turnovers/mistakes) to occur on the other teams the last 2 years...hopefully it was first game jitters against a reallly good team.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 02, 2017, 12:49:22 AM
Quote from: bman on September 01, 2017, 05:57:19 PM
What I'd find concerning, is that Stevenson was causing those things(turnovers/mistakes) to occur on the other teams the last 2 years...hopefully it was first game jitters against a reallly good team.

They graduated a LOT on defense that started last year. The offense seemed to look like it was catching up; but it was a VERY ugly game and hopefully a get it out of system/ bad game/ opening game jitters game that won't show again the rest of the season. Frostburg's defense looked very legit and tough; but yep when you have as many mistakes and penalties that kill drives and give short fields then you deserve to be beat. I was hoping and looking forward to it being closer and I think it would have been with less of those mistakes.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 02, 2017, 03:37:29 PM
bman: Given today's unholy debacle v. F&M in Annville, I doubt LVC will "tease" anyone this season.  :-[

~ wt
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 02, 2017, 03:46:16 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 02, 2017, 03:37:29 PM
bman: Given today's unholy debacle v. F&M in Annville, I doubt LVC will "tease" anyone this season.  :-[

~ wt

Duly noted...but there is only one way to go from here I guess...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 08, 2017, 07:33:35 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2017, 08:44:35 AM
Yours truly was "as money as money could be" last year with my weekly and final standings predictions, so much so that if the possibility to put money down on the table existed..........I'd be typing this from my villa in Bermuda, getting fanned while being fed grapes!! So what I'm saying about 2017..........there is nowhere to go but down as perfection can't be perfected. I'll just try to be very good. Yes, I've lowered the bar!!

The top three teams (DelVal, Stevenson, Albright) were virtually in a tie for the top spot (75, 72 and 72 points) so it really is a crapshoot. I've also learned a few things about these polls from friends of mine on the basketball side.........let's just call it a "psychological vote", if one can read between the lines (i.e. let's really get up for the team voted #1, we were disrespected, blah, blah, blah:)

Here are the Final Standings Predictions:

The Top Three (Unlikely, but all could go 8-1 in the MAC):
1. Albright - Has just about every offensive key player back in the fold as well as key players on the defense. Has DelVal at home.
2. Stevenson - Loaded and capitalizing on built in recruiting advantages and big packages combined with cheaper tuition. Won't be in the MAC in 5 years (the buzz is building). Has Albright at home.
3. DelVal - Might have the best defense in the league but offense lost some key players and will be up and down. Has Stevenson at home (and is playing no games with tickets, eh hem:)

The Close Three:
4. Widener - Very young last two years. Very skilled returnees. Should be very dangerous and could contend if things break right.
5. Lycoming - In the Widener boat. Very young. Very skilled. Just about every key player is back. No excuses. Expectations high in Williamsport.
6. King's - Tough team to figure out but with the QB returning, if they get any defense, they could surprise some people.

The Distant Four:
7. LebVal - A lot of youth last year and should be a bit better. A 4 win season would be a victory.
8. Wilkes - Tough one to figure out. A lot of returnees but not sure how that translates against the Top Three and Close Three.
9. FDU- Loved their passing game last year. If they can establish a running game and play some defense they could pick off a couple of teams.
10. Misericordia - It feels like it's about time to see some improvement in the program. My hoops buddies say they put some nice packages together for a handful of "difference makers". We'll see.

Week One Predictions:
Wesley - 24     DelVal - 20     I don't see Wesley losing in consecutive years to anybody not named Mount Union, Whitewater, UMHB, John Carroll, etc. Too much on the defensive side returning and a QB with a full year under his belt. Games are won and lost in the trenches and this is Wesley's big advantage
King's - 30     Moravian - 23     To give any reason here would be akin to the talking heads on sports talk radio acting as if they actually  are in the "know". They are not. Nor am I:) Go MAC!!!
Stevenson - 20     Frostburg - 16     Stevenson returns a ton from last year, more than Frostburg. These two will be in the same conference 5-7 years from now. Book it!

FDU - 27     TCNJ - 16     TCNJ won't stop the FDU passing game in a battle of the acronyms
Albright - 26     Salisbury - 23     Down to the wire but my preseason MAC champ squeezes out a victory (against another team that will be in the same conference as Stevenson in 5-7 years:)

Merchant Marine - 27     Misericordia - 21     Could this be Miser's best shot at a victory this year? Close but no cigar.
Lycoming - 30     Susquehanna - 20     The "no excuses" season starts out on the right foot with a season opening victory. Our Lyco poster is at least with us this year for a week or two:)
F&M - 31     LebVal - 30     A closer game than expected goes down to the wire.
Muhlenberg- 34     Wilkes - 17     Wilkes has a puncher's shot. Not a McGregor shot (which was no shot)......but a puncher's shot.
Widener - 24     Rowan - 20     Widener had a ton of very young talent last year that has matured. Rowan lost quite a bit. This could go either way so I flipped a coin and made bman happy!!

Lastly:
The Eagles will go 8-8 but make tangible progress
The Sixers will get the #7 seed in the East
Gold's spike is fools gold (pun intended)........short it soon
I will take Mount Youngstown/University of Wisconsin/UMHB...............and you can all have the field (kind of like me taking the Golden State Warriors and giving you the field:)

Football is here...............Merry Christmas to all........and to all a good day/night!!

Peace out!!
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Week Two Predictions:


I had a 24-20 score in the DelVal vs. Wesley game. Off by one point.....but had the wrong winner. If they meet in the playoffs, it's impossible that the Aggies beat Wesley three times in a row. 10-15 years ago under Mangus? Sure. Now?.....no way, no how!! :)

Wilkes - 26      LebVal - 13      Wilkes has a lot back on offense and defense and an All American TE. These teams can't be as bad as they looked last week, can they????
Widener - 23    FDU - 20         Widener returns a motherlode from last year and has a stout defense. FDU has the best passing game in the MAC (imagine if their best WR hadn't transferred to Mount Union before last season, ya know, for the Mount Union Biology Program........they'd be off the charts). It should make for an interesting game in bucolic Chester.
Albright - 55    Misericordia - 13     My preseason MAC Champ has everybody of significance back on both sides of the ball and put up a 38 spot on Salisbury, a very good NJAC team.
Stevenson - 40     King's - 23     Stevenson has just about everybody back on offense, including the stud QB Williams, and will right the ship at home against a mediocre King's team.
DelVal - 23     Lycoming - 20    DelVal has lost the last 2, and 3 of the last 4 up in Williamsport. The Aggies have a stout defense but an average offense. Lyco (speaking of which, will our Lyco poster make an appearance this year if they start out 0-2? I say no!!) Lyco returns every key offensive player and many on defense who played the Aggies to within a TD in Doylestown last year.

Redskins - 24     Eagles - 23     These two teams will both be around .500 this year...............the Widener and Lyco's of the NFC East ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2017, 09:09:02 AM
Their best wide receiver transferred back from Mount Union, though.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 08, 2017, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2017, 09:09:02 AM
Their best wide receiver transferred back from Mount Union, though.

Wait, he did the 2015 FDU, 2016 Mount Union, 2017 FDU dance? I guess he likes Division III football better.  ;)

I've got to give him credit in one respect. He'd rather play and rack up the numbers vs. being a tiny part of a machine and getting to wear a ring or two. Good for him!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2017, 07:30:43 PM
Well, I'm not sure he got on the field at Mount Union -- he didn't register any stats, anyway.

Kind of a sad story, all around. My understanding was that it wasn't him, but a family member, that really drove the decision to transfer in the first place.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 09, 2017, 09:25:05 AM
Below are my week 2 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 2 Predictions:
King's@Stevenson (-14.5): Stevenson wins by 17
Leb Val (-2.5)@Wilkes: Wilkes wins by 3
#14 Del Val (-19.5)@Lycoming: Del Val wins by 17
#25 Albright (-28.5)@Misericordia: Albright wins by 28
FDU@Widener (-14.5): Widener wins by 10

Week 2 Rankings:
1. Del Valley (1-0)
2. Albright (1-0)
3. Stevenson (0-1)
4. Widener (0-1)
5. King's (1-0)
6. Leb Val (0-1)
7. Lycoming (0-1)
8. Wilkes (0-1)
9. FDU (1-0)
10. Misericordia (0-1)
 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 09, 2017, 12:53:07 PM
This board is on life support. Hang in there with me bman and tweisman...............we might be the last one's left on the island!!

Lyco, where are you??????
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 09, 2017, 03:32:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 09, 2017, 12:53:07 PM
This board is on life support. Hang in there with me bman and tweisman...............we might be the last one's left on the island!!

Lyco, where are you??????

Some of the old-timers/old farts are still around. LVC shut out Wilkes today, 36-0.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on September 09, 2017, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 09, 2017, 03:32:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 09, 2017, 12:53:07 PM
This board is on life support. Hang in there with me bman and tweisman...............we might be the last one's left on the island!!

Lyco, where are you??????

Some of the old-timers/old farts are still around. LVC shut out Wilkes today, 36-0.



I hope you don't mind a little support from the E8.  I like to follow Albright College as my daughter considered going there.  Also Lycoming as some friends kid went there.  It was a  number of years ago and we lived near Juniata College at the time.  (Tyrone, PA)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 09, 2017, 08:18:10 PM
Thanks Warren and Saxon!! We can use the help on the board. Many of the regulars from the past are long gone. Lyco80 (I think that was the handle) pops in when Lycoming is having a good season and is invisible in the bad one's. With zero TD's in the first two games, this season might be the latter. I went to Swarthmore for my undergrad but have lived in Doylestown for almost 30 years so I adopted DelVal a long time ago (and Swarthmore has no football team........it's beneath the libs ;) )

The DelVal vs. Lyco game stunned me today. Lyco has a solid, returning senior QB, top two RB's and three long, fast, experienced WR's that lost to DelVal in Doylestown last year in the waning moments, 28-20. Today, Lyco had something like 82 yards on 47 plays and 3 first downs. I don't get football sometimes.

How bad is Wilkes (watch them beat DelVal next Friday night)? They get blown out by LebVal..........who got wiped out by a decent F&M team last week.

That's why they play the games.

I still have DelVal a slight notch below both Albright and Stevenson, but they should all be close games between the three teams.

Oh, bman..................Widener might have the best defense in the MAC and with a ton back from last year on offense and a light schedule in the first half of the season, might get out to a 4-1, 5-1 start!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 09, 2017, 09:58:23 PM
Some of us "old timers" are still lurking...but we don't post often!

Ever since my job change, I will lurk on here about one a week...but since I'm not around the program and don't watch the games, I don't feel like I have much to offer!!

Take care everyone - you never know who's lurking....  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 12, 2017, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 09, 2017, 08:18:10 PM
Thanks Warren and Saxon!! We can use the help on the board. Many of the regulars from the past are long gone. Lyco80 (I think that was the handle) pops in when Lycoming is having a good season and is invisible in the bad one's. With zero TD's in the first two games, this season might be the latter. I went to Swarthmore for my undergrad but have lived in Doylestown for almost 30 years so I adopted DelVal a long time ago (and Swarthmore has no football team........it's beneath the libs ;) )

The DelVal vs. Lyco game stunned me today. Lyco has a solid, returning senior QB, top two RB's and three long, fast, experienced WR's that lost to DelVal in Doylestown last year in the waning moments, 28-20. Today, Lyco had something like 82 yards on 47 plays and 3 first downs. I don't get football sometimes.

How bad is Wilkes (watch them beat DelVal next Friday night)? They get blown out by LebVal..........who got wiped out by a decent F&M team last week.

That's why they play the games.

I still have DelVal a slight notch below both Albright and Stevenson, but they should all be close games between the three teams.

Oh, bman..................Widener might have the best defense in the MAC and with a ton back from last year on offense and a light schedule in the first half of the season, might get out to a 4-1, 5-1 start!


I'm waiting to see.   I still have Del Val as the frontrunner with Stevenson (despite their game 1 clunker) a notch behind.  Widener needs to prove they belong.
I'm not impressed with the offense these days, so we'll see what happens the next few weeks.


Bill!  Glad you're lurking.   FDU looked good week 1.  They are better this year...no doubt.
Wilkes...things really went south there.  They have always been a tough team to beat regardless of their record...  not sure what's going on up there...does Miseracordia get a win?!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2017, 12:22:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 08, 2017, 07:33:35 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2017, 08:44:35 AM
Yours truly was "as money as money could be" last year with my weekly and final standings predictions, so much so that if the possibility to put money down on the table existed..........I'd be typing this from my villa in Bermuda, getting fanned while being fed grapes!! So what I'm saying about 2017..........there is nowhere to go but down as perfection can't be perfected. I'll just try to be very good. Yes, I've lowered the bar!!

The top three teams (DelVal, Stevenson, Albright) were virtually in a tie for the top spot (75, 72 and 72 points) so it really is a crapshoot. I've also learned a few things about these polls from friends of mine on the basketball side.........let's just call it a "psychological vote", if one can read between the lines (i.e. let's really get up for the team voted #1, we were disrespected, blah, blah, blah:)

Here are the Final Standings Predictions:

The Top Three (Unlikely, but all could go 8-1 in the MAC):
1. Albright - Has just about every offensive key player back in the fold as well as key players on the defense. Has DelVal at home.
2. Stevenson - Loaded and capitalizing on built in recruiting advantages and big packages combined with cheaper tuition. Won't be in the MAC in 5 years (the buzz is building). Has Albright at home.
3. DelVal - Might have the best defense in the league but offense lost some key players and will be up and down. Has Stevenson at home (and is playing no games with tickets, eh hem:)

The Close Three:
4. Widener - Very young last two years. Very skilled returnees. Should be very dangerous and could contend if things break right.
5. Lycoming - In the Widener boat. Very young. Very skilled. Just about every key player is back. No excuses. Expectations high in Williamsport.
6. King's - Tough team to figure out but with the QB returning, if they get any defense, they could surprise some people.

The Distant Four:
7. LebVal - A lot of youth last year and should be a bit better. A 4 win season would be a victory.
8. Wilkes - Tough one to figure out. A lot of returnees but not sure how that translates against the Top Three and Close Three.
9. FDU- Loved their passing game last year. If they can establish a running game and play some defense they could pick off a couple of teams.
10. Misericordia - It feels like it's about time to see some improvement in the program. My hoops buddies say they put some nice packages together for a handful of "difference makers". We'll see.

Week One Predictions:
Wesley - 24     DelVal - 20     I don't see Wesley losing in consecutive years to anybody not named Mount Union, Whitewater, UMHB, John Carroll, etc. Too much on the defensive side returning and a QB with a full year under his belt. Games are won and lost in the trenches and this is Wesley's big advantage
King's - 30     Moravian - 23     To give any reason here would be akin to the talking heads on sports talk radio acting as if they actually  are in the "know". They are not. Nor am I:) Go MAC!!!
Stevenson - 20     Frostburg - 16     Stevenson returns a ton from last year, more than Frostburg. These two will be in the same conference 5-7 years from now. Book it!

FDU - 27     TCNJ - 16     TCNJ won't stop the FDU passing game in a battle of the acronyms
Albright - 26     Salisbury - 23     Down to the wire but my preseason MAC champ squeezes out a victory (against another team that will be in the same conference as Stevenson in 5-7 years:)

Merchant Marine - 27     Misericordia - 21     Could this be Miser's best shot at a victory this year? Close but no cigar.
Lycoming - 30     Susquehanna - 20     The "no excuses" season starts out on the right foot with a season opening victory. Our Lyco poster is at least with us this year for a week or two:)
F&M - 31     LebVal - 30     A closer game than expected goes down to the wire.
Muhlenberg- 34     Wilkes - 17     Wilkes has a puncher's shot. Not a McGregor shot (which was no shot)......but a puncher's shot.
Widener - 24     Rowan - 20     Widener had a ton of very young talent last year that has matured. Rowan lost quite a bit. This could go either way so I flipped a coin and made bman happy!!

Lastly:
The Eagles will go 8-8 but make tangible progress
The Sixers will get the #7 seed in the East
Gold's spike is fools gold (pun intended)........short it soon
I will take Mount Youngstown/University of Wisconsin/UMHB...............and you can all have the field (kind of like me taking the Golden State Warriors and giving you the field:)

Football is here...............Merry Christmas to all........and to all a good day/night!!

Peace out!!
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Week Two Predictions:


I had a 24-20 score in the DelVal vs. Wesley game. Off by one point.....but had the wrong winner. If they meet in the playoffs, it's impossible that the Aggies beat Wesley three times in a row. 10-15 years ago under Mangus? Sure. Now?.....no way, no how!! :)

Wilkes - 26      LebVal - 13      Wilkes has a lot back on offense and defense and an All American TE. These teams can't be as bad as they looked last week, can they????
Widener - 23    FDU - 20         Widener returns a motherlode from last year and has a stout defense. FDU has the best passing game in the MAC (imagine if their best WR hadn't transferred to Mount Union before last season, ya know, for the Mount Union Biology Program........they'd be off the charts). It should make for an interesting game in bucolic Chester.
Albright - 55    Misericordia - 13     My preseason MAC Champ has everybody of significance back on both sides of the ball and put up a 38 spot on Salisbury, a very good NJAC team.
Stevenson - 40     King's - 23     Stevenson has just about everybody back on offense, including the stud QB Williams, and will right the ship at home against a mediocre King's team.
DelVal - 23     Lycoming - 20    DelVal has lost the last 2, and 3 of the last 4 up in Williamsport. The Aggies have a stout defense but an average offense. Lyco (speaking of which, will our Lyco poster make an appearance this year if they start out 0-2? I say no!!) Lyco returns every key offensive player and many on defense who played the Aggies to within a TD in Doylestown last year.

Redskins - 24     Eagles - 23     These two teams will both be around .500 this year...............the Widener and Lyco's of the NFC East ;)

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Week Three Predictions:

Widenerbman - 55     Misericordia 13 - Miser has given up 56 and 50 in consecutive weeks and has lost by a combined 54 points. Widener has an explosive offense and a big, fast, stout defense.
Stevenson - 47     FDU - 16     FDU gave up 49 to Widener last week and Stevenson has the motherlode back from last year on offense. FDU can not run the ball and might throw it 70 times!
LebVal - 26     King's - 23     Very close game. LebVal is at home and did move the ball at will last week. I think it will be close regardless of who wins.
Albright - 45     Lycosimba - 10     After seeing what DelVal did at Lycoming last week.......my preseason MAC Champ beats them even worse. Stunning given all that Lyco has back from last year.
DelVal - 30     Wilkes - 16     Two years ago, almost to the day, a far superior Aggies team played a Friday night game up at Wilkes and lost 12-7..........Wilkes only win of the year. While I do not see that happening, I see this as a much closer game than expected. Through two weeks, I put the Aggies offense behind Albright and Stevenson (my preseason #1 and #2) and their passing game behind both of them as well as FDU and King's. DelVal will go as far as their defense takes them this year. The Aggies win this going away and prepare for next week's slugfest with an experienced Stevenson offense, before hitting the road for another two games. Four of the first five MAC games on the road.........the schedule maker did DelVal no favors. :)

Chiefs - 30     Eagles - 17     After lighting up the Superbowl Champs on the road, Andy Reid comes back home and beats down his former team.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 15, 2017, 04:03:19 PM
Below are my week 3 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 3 Predictions:
#10 Del Val(-28.5)@Wilkes: Del Val wins by 35
Stevenson(-25.5)@FDU: Stevenson wins by 30
Misericordia@Widener(-21.5): Widener wins by 24
Albright(-17.5)@Lycoming: Albright wins by 14
King's@Leb Val (-3.5): Leb Val wins by 3

Week 3 Rankings:
1. Del Val (2-0, 1-0)
2. Stevenson (1-1, 1-0)
3. Albright (2-0, 1-0)
4. Widener (1-1, 1-0)
5. Leb Val (1-1, 1-0)
6. King's (1-1, 0-1)
7. Lycoming (0-2, 0-1)
8. Wilkes (0-2, 0-1)
9. FDU (0-2, 0-1)
10. Misericordia (0-2, 0-1)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 18, 2017, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 15, 2017, 04:03:19 PM
Below are my week 3 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 3 Predictions:
#10 Del Val(-28.5)@Wilkes: Del Val wins by 35
Stevenson(-25.5)@FDU: Stevenson wins by 30
Misericordia@Widener(-21.5): Widener wins by 24
Albright(-17.5)@Lycoming: Albright wins by 14
King's@Leb Val (-3.5): Leb Val wins by 3

Week 3 Rankings:
1. Del Val (2-0, 1-0)
2. Stevenson (1-1, 1-0)
3. Albright (2-0, 1-0)
4. Widener (1-1, 1-0)
5. Leb Val (1-1, 1-0)
6. King's (1-1, 0-1)
7. Lycoming (0-2, 0-1)
8. Wilkes (0-2, 0-1)
9. FDU (0-2, 0-1)
10. Misericordia (0-2, 0-1)

Not bad predictions!   I'll also give it a go again this week.  Some great games on tap!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on September 18, 2017, 05:19:08 PM
I know Kings is kind of a middle of the pack program, but their QB went off last wkd. Really impressive stats.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 18, 2017, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on September 18, 2017, 05:19:08 PM
I know Kings is kind of a middle of the pack program, but their QB went off last wkd. Really impressive stats.
Not bad.  Leb Val (With the exception of a good game against a bad Wilkes team) has been giving up a ton of points.
Check out the stats by FDUs QB in week 1 against TCNJ.  Now those are some numbers!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 21, 2017, 10:42:23 AM
What, no talking on here about the DVU/Stevenson game on Saturday at noon???   Not knowing that much about football, I can only be the homer that I am and pull for the Green and Gold, but it's supposed to be really hot, so please STAY HYDRATED Men!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on September 21, 2017, 03:34:48 PM
Thinking (and hoping) Del Val will handle Stevenson. How telling was Stevenson's showing at Frostburg in the opener?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on September 21, 2017, 04:27:32 PM
This is the 2nd best ER game of the wkd IMO - Frostburg vs. Rowan barely edging it out.

Stevenson really struggled with the Bobcats aggressive D so I expect guys like Nick Wright to be attacking the QB all night.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2017, 04:30:43 PM
I went through Emergency Room and Erik Raeburn before I realized you were saying East Region.  ???
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 21, 2017, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on September 21, 2017, 04:27:32 PM
This is the 2nd best ER game of the wkd IMO - Frostburg vs. Rowan barely edging it out.

Stevenson really struggled with the Bobcats aggressive D so I expect guys like Nick Wright to be attacking the QB all night.
I'm guessing Fburg should be about a 12 point favorite in this one.   Not sure how good Stevenson is yet, but I'd make DVU at least a 7 point favorite in that one.
What really is cool, is that every game in the MAC this week should be a good one.  I'm curious to see if Wilkes can step it up or will Misericordia notch its first win in a while....
Predictions tomorrow...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 22, 2017, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 15, 2017, 12:22:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 08, 2017, 07:33:35 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 31, 2017, 08:44:35 AM
Yours truly was "as money as money could be" last year with my weekly and final standings predictions, so much so that if the possibility to put money down on the table existed..........I'd be typing this from my villa in Bermuda, getting fanned while being fed grapes!! So what I'm saying about 2017..........there is nowhere to go but down as perfection can't be perfected. I'll just try to be very good. Yes, I've lowered the bar!!

The top three teams (DelVal, Stevenson, Albright) were virtually in a tie for the top spot (75, 72 and 72 points) so it really is a crapshoot. I've also learned a few things about these polls from friends of mine on the basketball side.........let's just call it a "psychological vote", if one can read between the lines (i.e. let's really get up for the team voted #1, we were disrespected, blah, blah, blah:)

Here are the Final Standings Predictions:

The Top Three (Unlikely, but all could go 8-1 in the MAC):
1. Albright - Has just about every offensive key player back in the fold as well as key players on the defense. Has DelVal at home.
2. Stevenson - Loaded and capitalizing on built in recruiting advantages and big packages combined with cheaper tuition. Won't be in the MAC in 5 years (the buzz is building). Has Albright at home.
3. DelVal - Might have the best defense in the league but offense lost some key players and will be up and down. Has Stevenson at home (and is playing no games with tickets, eh hem:)

The Close Three:
4. Widener - Very young last two years. Very skilled returnees. Should be very dangerous and could contend if things break right.
5. Lycoming - In the Widener boat. Very young. Very skilled. Just about every key player is back. No excuses. Expectations high in Williamsport.
6. King's - Tough team to figure out but with the QB returning, if they get any defense, they could surprise some people.

The Distant Four:
7. LebVal - A lot of youth last year and should be a bit better. A 4 win season would be a victory.
8. Wilkes - Tough one to figure out. A lot of returnees but not sure how that translates against the Top Three and Close Three.
9. FDU- Loved their passing game last year. If they can establish a running game and play some defense they could pick off a couple of teams.
10. Misericordia - It feels like it's about time to see some improvement in the program. My hoops buddies say they put some nice packages together for a handful of "difference makers". We'll see.

Week One Predictions:
Wesley - 24     DelVal - 20     I don't see Wesley losing in consecutive years to anybody not named Mount Union, Whitewater, UMHB, John Carroll, etc. Too much on the defensive side returning and a QB with a full year under his belt. Games are won and lost in the trenches and this is Wesley's big advantage
King's - 30     Moravian - 23     To give any reason here would be akin to the talking heads on sports talk radio acting as if they actually  are in the "know". They are not. Nor am I:) Go MAC!!!
Stevenson - 20     Frostburg - 16     Stevenson returns a ton from last year, more than Frostburg. These two will be in the same conference 5-7 years from now. Book it!

FDU - 27     TCNJ - 16     TCNJ won't stop the FDU passing game in a battle of the acronyms
Albright - 26     Salisbury - 23     Down to the wire but my preseason MAC champ squeezes out a victory (against another team that will be in the same conference as Stevenson in 5-7 years:)

Merchant Marine - 27     Misericordia - 21     Could this be Miser's best shot at a victory this year? Close but no cigar.
Lycoming - 30     Susquehanna - 20     The "no excuses" season starts out on the right foot with a season opening victory. Our Lyco poster is at least with us this year for a week or two:)
F&M - 31     LebVal - 30     A closer game than expected goes down to the wire.
Muhlenberg- 34     Wilkes - 17     Wilkes has a puncher's shot. Not a McGregor shot (which was no shot)......but a puncher's shot.
Widener - 24     Rowan - 20     Widener had a ton of very young talent last year that has matured. Rowan lost quite a bit. This could go either way so I flipped a coin and made bman happy!!

Lastly:
The Eagles will go 8-8 but make tangible progress
The Sixers will get the #7 seed in the East
Gold's spike is fools gold (pun intended)........short it soon
I will take Mount Youngstown/University of Wisconsin/UMHB...............and you can all have the field (kind of like me taking the Golden State Warriors and giving you the field:)

Football is here...............Merry Christmas to all........and to all a good day/night!!

Peace out!!
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Week Two Predictions:


I had a 24-20 score in the DelVal vs. Wesley game. Off by one point.....but had the wrong winner. If they meet in the playoffs, it's impossible that the Aggies beat Wesley three times in a row. 10-15 years ago under Mangus? Sure. Now?.....no way, no how!! :)

Wilkes - 26      LebVal - 13      Wilkes has a lot back on offense and defense and an All American TE. These teams can't be as bad as they looked last week, can they????
Widener - 23    FDU - 20         Widener returns a motherlode from last year and has a stout defense. FDU has the best passing game in the MAC (imagine if their best WR hadn't transferred to Mount Union before last season, ya know, for the Mount Union Biology Program........they'd be off the charts). It should make for an interesting game in bucolic Chester.
Albright - 55    Misericordia - 13     My preseason MAC Champ has everybody of significance back on both sides of the ball and put up a 38 spot on Salisbury, a very good NJAC team.
Stevenson - 40     King's - 23     Stevenson has just about everybody back on offense, including the stud QB Williams, and will right the ship at home against a mediocre King's team.
DelVal - 23     Lycoming - 20    DelVal has lost the last 2, and 3 of the last 4 up in Williamsport. The Aggies have a stout defense but an average offense. Lyco (speaking of which, will our Lyco poster make an appearance this year if they start out 0-2? I say no!!) Lyco returns every key offensive player and many on defense who played the Aggies to within a TD in Doylestown last year.

Redskins - 24     Eagles - 23     These two teams will both be around .500 this year...............the Widener and Lyco's of the NFC East ;)

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Week Three Predictions:

Widenerbman - 55     Misericordia 13 - Miser has given up 56 and 50 in consecutive weeks and has lost by a combined 54 points. Widener has an explosive offense and a big, fast, stout defense.
Stevenson - 47     FDU - 16     FDU gave up 49 to Widener last week and Stevenson has the motherlode back from last year on offense. FDU can not run the ball and might throw it 70 times!
LebVal - 26     King's - 23     Very close game. LebVal is at home and did move the ball at will last week. I think it will be close regardless of who wins.
Albright - 45     Lycosimba - 10     After seeing what DelVal did at Lycoming last week.......my preseason MAC Champ beats them even worse. Stunning given all that Lyco has back from last year.
DelVal - 30     Wilkes - 16     Two years ago, almost to the day, a far superior Aggies team played a Friday night game up at Wilkes and lost 12-7..........Wilkes only win of the year. While I do not see that happening, I see this as a much closer game than expected. Through two weeks, I put the Aggies offense behind Albright and Stevenson (my preseason #1 and #2) and their passing game behind both of them as well as FDU and King's. DelVal will go as far as their defense takes them this year. The Aggies win this going away and prepare for next week's slugfest with an experienced Stevenson offense, before hitting the road for another two games. Four of the first five MAC games on the road.........the schedule maker did DelVal no favors. :)

Chiefs - 30     Eagles - 17     After lighting up the Superbowl Champs on the road, Andy Reid comes back home and beats down his former team.
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I am now officially moving Widener into my Preseason 'Top Three' and they, Albright, Stevenson and DelVal form the new 'Top Four'. Stevenson and Widener took care of business and blew out their lesser lights last week........while DelVal and Albright really struggled and got a bit lucky. We'll see if it was a case of looking ahead, or if there are more chinks in their armor.

Week Four Predictions:

King's - 41     Lycosimba - 30       The King's QB might throw and run for 500 yards. Is Lyco the team that got crushed by DelVal or the one that had Albright on the ropes and gave it away? Simba??
Wilkes - 20    Miserables -16        This might be the Miserables best shot at a win this season, Wilkes at home. Won't happen if Wilkes gives the effort they did last week against DelVal.
LebVal - 40    FDU - 33                There might be 1,000 yards of offense in this game and the FDU QB might throw for 500 of it. Toss up game but I'll take Warren's team at home!
Albright - 17  Widenerbman - 16   Albright will have trouble moving the ball against a stout Widener D, as Widener will against an almost equally stout Albright D. My preseason #1 in a close one!

Stevenson - 23     DelVal - 20       My preseason #2 in a tight, last minute victory over my preseason #3. Williams is a pass/run beast at QB and Adoo is a stud at WR and PR/KR. Stevenson did a great job filling the departures on their defense.........a little better of a job that DelVal did on their offense. DelVal's stud freshman kicker from last year is out for the year and it has been quite the circus on kickoff's and extra points. It might very well come down to that as the difference in this game.

Eagles - 27    Giants - 17             Two teams with no running games, average offensive lines and fierce front seven's. The home team by 10!!   

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on September 22, 2017, 01:11:57 PM
I will always keep an eye on the conference slate and will tune into the Del Val vs. Stevenson game. Good luck to all teams this week and a bigger one to Albright.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 22, 2017, 03:47:18 PM
Below are my week 4 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 4 Predictions

Lycoming(-2.5) @ King's: King's wins by 1

Wilkes(-5.5) @ Misericordia: Wilkes wins by 3

Stevenson @ #16 Del Val(-6.5): Stevenson wins by 3

Widener @ Albright(-12.5): Albright wins by 7

FDU @ Leb Val(-11.5): Leb Val wins by 7

Week 4 Rankings
1. Del Val (3-0, 2-0)
2. Stevenson (2-1, 2-0)
3. Albright (3-0, 2-0)
4. Widener (2-1, 2-0)
5. King's (2-1, 1-1)
6. Leb Val (1-2, 1-1)
7. Lycoming (0-3, 0-2)
8. FDU (1-2, 0-2)
9. Wilkes (0-3, 0-2)
10. Misericordia (0-3, 0-2)

Prediction Record
Week 3: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 13-7 (.650)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 23, 2017, 12:55:31 PM
No contest at Del Val.  Stevenson is being overwhelmed by the Aggies.  Special teams is not good, 2 returns for TD, but Stevenson is not showing much else either. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 23, 2017, 01:17:51 PM
Got distracted by a conversation here at the house, but at the half, DVU 27/Stevenson 7, I think that's the correct score.  Still a whole half left to play - nice to hear Gordon Mann's call of the game and the video is crystal clear!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 23, 2017, 02:49:25 PM
Final score Aggies 27 - Stevenson 7.  Great game DVU!  Good luck Friday night at FDU!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 23, 2017, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 23, 2017, 12:55:31 PM
No contest at Del Val.  Stevenson is being overwhelmed by the Aggies.  Special teams is not good, 2 returns for TD, but Stevenson is not showing much else either.

Wesleydad - It must have been a tough decision to chose the Aggies vs. Mustangs game over the Wesley vs. Willy P. "game". I'm hearing some interesting rumblings and rumors about a potential Wesley football move in the next 2-3 years. I'll keep it off the boards for now though.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 23, 2017, 06:39:24 PM
I am now officially moving Widener into my Preseason 'Top Three' and they, Albright, Stevenson and DelVal form the new 'Top Four'. Stevenson and Widener took care of business and blew out their lesser lights last week........while DelVal and Albright really struggled and got a bit lucky. We'll see if it was a case of looking ahead, or if there are more chinks in their armor.

Week Four Predictions:

King's - 41     Lycosimba - 30       The King's QB might throw and run for 500 yards. Is Lyco the team that got crushed by DelVal or the one that had Albright on the ropes and gave it away? Simba??
Wilkes - 20    Miserables -16        This might be the Miserables best shot at a win this season, Wilkes at home. Won't happen if Wilkes gives the effort they did last week against DelVal.
LebVal - 40    FDU - 33                There might be 1,000 yards of offense in this game and the FDU QB might throw for 500 of it. Toss up game but I'll take Warren's team at home!
Albright - 17  Widenerbman - 16   Albright will have trouble moving the ball against a stout Widener D, as Widener will against an almost equally stout Albright D. My preseason #1 in a close one!

Stevenson - 23     DelVal - 20       My preseason #2 in a tight, last minute victory over my preseason #3. Williams is a pass/run beast at QB and Adoo is a stud at WR and PR/KR. Stevenson did a great job filling the departures on their defense.........a little better of a job that DelVal did on their offense. DelVal's stud freshman kicker from last year is out for the year and it has been quite the circus on kickoff's and extra points. It might very well come down to that as the difference in this game.

Eagles - 27    Giants - 17             Two teams with no running games, average offensive lines and fierce front seven's. The home team by 10!!   
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tweisman5 and myself both had Stevenson taking this game by 3 points.............we both blew that one!! I know that Stevenson lost some key defensive players but they are huge at DL and LB and I was surprised at some of the running lanes for Ellis and Darden. I was also a bit stunned at the lack of a running game by the Mustangs given the experience at RB and QB. The QB, Williams, has a cannon for an arm and is fast. Adoo should get some All-Region, if not All-American consideration.

Good.......and not-so-good week four calls:
- "Albright will have trouble moving the ball against a stout Widener D, as Widener will against an almost equally stout Albright D. My preseason #1 in a close one!" This could be my call of the year!
 
- "This might be the Miserables best shot at a win this season, Wilkes at home. Won't happen if Wilkes gives the effort they did last week against DelVal". Looking at the box score, this might not be Miserables only win of the year. The Miserables QB ran for 218 yards and 2 TD's and threw for 174 yards and 2 TD's. Amazing what some found financial aid money can get you! Oh, and Wilkes had their annual, post DelVal/Super Bowl/Game of the Year, krapfest!

- The King's QB might throw and run for 500 yards. Is Lyco the team that got crushed by DelVal or the one that had Albright on the ropes and gave it away? Simba?? The King's QB did not throw and run for 500 total yards..............only 379 yards. But he ran the ball 22 times and scored 2 TD's and threw for 4 TD's. Can King's get this guy some help? Can Simba break free from the Witness Protection Program to at least say hello?

- There might be 1,000 yards of offense in this game and the FDU QB might throw for 500 of it. Toss up game but I'll take Warren's team at home! I got the 'Warren's team at home' call correct, but the total yardage was way off, with a pedestrian 624 total yards between the two teams. FDU can not run the ball and the QB's arm is about to fall off. No, I mean literally, about to fall off. I swear that Andy Reid or Doug Pederson is coaching this team. They have no run/pass ratio concept!!


That's all folks, try the veal and enjoy the rest of the weekend!!

JM.......out!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 23, 2017, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 23, 2017, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 23, 2017, 12:55:31 PM
No contest at Del Val.  Stevenson is being overwhelmed by the Aggies.  Special teams is not good, 2 returns for TD, but Stevenson is not showing much else either.

Wesleydad - It must have been a tough decision to chose the Aggies vs. Mustangs game over the Wesley vs. Willy P. "game". I'm hearing some interesting rumblings and rumors about a potential Wesley football move in the next 2-3 years. I'll keep it off the boards for now though.

where they go does not matter unless they change divisions and they dont have the facilities to do that.  If they change leagues again they will be the best team in whatever league they switch too.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2017, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 23, 2017, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 23, 2017, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 23, 2017, 12:55:31 PM
No contest at Del Val.  Stevenson is being overwhelmed by the Aggies.  Special teams is not good, 2 returns for TD, but Stevenson is not showing much else either.

Wesleydad - It must have been a tough decision to chose the Aggies vs. Mustangs game over the Wesley vs. Willy P. "game". I'm hearing some interesting rumblings and rumors about a potential Wesley football move in the next 2-3 years. I'll keep it off the boards for now though.

where they go does not matter unless they change divisions and they dont have the facilities to do that.  If they change leagues again they will be the best team in whatever league they switch too.

Oh wesleydad, I didn't mean in any way to pick at you..................just sharing some inside baseball that is slowly growing a bit in some circles. All it takes is a person or two of means to write a large check and facilities can happen in a couple of years. As far as your second sentence, it really is a big "who cares". They are the dominant program in the area but just like everybody says, people remember the winners, not the runner-up's. Until Wesley wins a National Championship, it really doesn't matter (and I quote Shane directly on that one). Forgetting geography, there are quite a few conferences that Wesley (nor anybody else in the east) would be the "best team" in and there are other conferences that would never let them, and many other schools for that matter, due to academics. And who told you that the Falkenberg injury would be a blessing in disguise? That would be the voice from bucolic Doylestown. Shane still has his connections to the team and many on the inside stated the same thing. If Wesley doesn't get to the National Semifinals with this loaded for bear, veteran roster..............I would personally be stunned.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 24, 2017, 06:22:13 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2017, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 23, 2017, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 23, 2017, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 23, 2017, 12:55:31 PM
No contest at Del Val.  Stevenson is being overwhelmed by the Aggies.  Special teams is not good, 2 returns for TD, but Stevenson is not showing much else either.

Wesleydad - It must have been a tough decision to chose the Aggies vs. Mustangs game over the Wesley vs. Willy P. "game". I'm hearing some interesting rumblings and rumors about a potential Wesley football move in the next 2-3 years. I'll keep it off the boards for now though.

where they go does not matter unless they change divisions and they dont have the facilities to do that.  If they change leagues again they will be the best team in whatever league they switch too.

Oh wesleydad, I didn't mean in any way to pick at you..................just sharing some inside baseball that is slowly growing a bit in some circles. All it takes is a person or two of means to write a large check and facilities can happen in a couple of years. As far as your second sentence, it really is a big "who cares". They are the dominant program in the area but just like everybody says, people remember the winners, not the runner-up's. Until Wesley wins a National Championship, it really doesn't matter (and I quote Shane directly on that one). Forgetting geography, there are quite a few conferences that Wesley (nor anybody else in the east) would be the "best team" in and there are other conferences that would never let them, and many other schools for that matter, due to academics. And who told you that the Falkenberg injury would be a blessing in disguise? That would be the voice from bucolic Doylestown. Shane still has his connections to the team and many on the inside stated the same thing. If Wesley doesn't get to the National Semifinals with this loaded for bear, veteran roster..............I would personally be stunned.

I am not offended.  Takes way more than that.  Many have connections or so they say.  If this team makes the semis I would be stunned.  They are not as good as many of the teams since 2005.  As far as checks and things, you have to have the available ground to build things on and if you have been to Wesley you know that they do not have that available.  Campus is surrounded by houses on all 4 sides so there is nowhere to put anything that would be needed to move up.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 24, 2017, 07:09:38 PM
Wesley football is not going anywhere but the NJAC.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 24, 2017, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on September 24, 2017, 07:09:38 PM
Wesley football is not going anywhere but the NJAC.

I was pretty sure of that, but did not want to step out and just say so.  figured facts would be good enough.  The school is too small to go anywhere higher unless major changes are going to take place and again, that would mean land was needed.  Now if we would move the graveyard next to the football field we could have a bigger football field, but I would not want the spirits of the dead haunting the team for years to come.   :D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on September 24, 2017, 07:44:15 PM
Is that the Jason Bowen?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 29, 2017, 06:24:21 PM
Below are my week 5 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 5 Predictions

#8 Del Val (-34.5) @ FDU: Del Val wins by 31

Misericordia @ Stevenson (-26.5): Stevenson wins by 28

Albright (-14.5) @ King's: Albright wins by 17

Leb Val @ Widener (-6.5): Widener wins by 10

Wilkes @ Lycoming (-17.5): Lycoming wins by 20

Week 5 Rankings
1. Del Val (4-0, 3-0)
2. Albright (4-0, 3-0)
3. Stevenson (2-2, 2-1)
4. Widener (2-2, 2-1)
5. Lycoming (1-3, 1-2)
6. King's (2-2, 1-2)
7. Leb Val (2-2, 2-1)
8. Misericordia (1-3, 1-2)
9. FDU (1-3, 0-3)
10. Wilkes (0-4, 0-3)

Prediction Record
Week 4: 2-3 (.400)
Season: 15-10 (.600)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 29, 2017, 10:38:24 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on September 24, 2017, 07:44:15 PM
Is that the Jason Bowen?

I don't know what I've done to be 'the' 😀
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 30, 2017, 05:52:14 PM
Tough loss for King's to Albright this afternoon, as King's had the lead for most of the game.   Del Val gets Albright next Saturday in a battle of 4 and 0 teams in Reading.  Sorry, make that 5 and 0.   Should be a great game!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on September 30, 2017, 08:30:10 PM
the Jason Bowen was the Wesley SID in another life.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 01, 2017, 02:38:47 PM
Any Albright posters on here?   Huge game next Saturday for them and DVU!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 01, 2017, 11:46:00 PM
That was a long time ago, Scott 😀 Great job, didn't pay enough.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 04, 2017, 12:08:45 PM
The MAC office announced the 2018 conference schedule with the addition of Alvernia the other day. With Alvernia, the conference now sits at 11 football members. Below is the link:

http://gomacsports.com/news/2017/9/29/FB_0929175338.aspx

A few interesting takeaways:

I'm curious how long the imbalance will last until conference additions occur or some members elect to move elsewhere.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 04, 2017, 02:42:51 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 04, 2017, 12:08:45 PM
The MAC office announced the 2018 conference schedule with the addition of Alvernia the other day. With Alvernia, the conference now sits at 11 football members. Below is the link:

http://gomacsports.com/news/2017/9/29/FB_0929175338.aspx

A few interesting takeaways:

  • Each conference member plays 8 conference games
  • Each team has 2 non-conference games
  • Teams are allowed to schedule other conference members not on the schedule as a non-conference matchup

I'm curious how long the imbalance will last until conference additions occur or some members elect to move elsewhere.

This is interesting. I would have loved to see a conference championship at Week 11. I can't remember which conference does or had done this in the Mid-west.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2017, 05:39:51 PM
You need to have 12 teams in order to do this. The NEFC used to do it when it had 14 teams and the Midwest Conference is doing it this year with 12, but unless you have 12, then you have to take one of your regular 10 games to play a conference championship and I don't think many coaches would prefer to go that route.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 04, 2017, 06:20:51 PM
Pat: have you heard of any other MAC venues possibly initiating football?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2017, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 04, 2017, 06:20:51 PM
Pat: have you heard of any other MAC venues possibly initiating football?

I have heard Eastern has talked about raising money for a stadium.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 05, 2017, 02:35:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2017, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 04, 2017, 06:20:51 PM
Pat: have you heard of any other MAC venues possibly initiating football?

I have heard Eastern has talked about raising money for a stadium.

Do you believe it is more likely another MAC member adds football or a current football sponsor member leaves?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 05, 2017, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 05, 2017, 02:35:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2017, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 04, 2017, 06:20:51 PM
Pat: have you heard of any other MAC venues possibly initiating football?

I have heard Eastern has talked about raising money for a stadium.

Do you believe it is more likely another MAC member adds football or a current football sponsor member leaves?
tweisman5: have you heard rumblings about a "current football sponsor member" leaving? If so, which venue?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2017, 03:59:34 PM
I haven't heard anything lately about any football members leaving. And I'm not sure which conference with football they would go to.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 05, 2017, 06:05:56 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 05, 2017, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 05, 2017, 02:35:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2017, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 04, 2017, 06:20:51 PM
Pat: have you heard of any other MAC venues possibly initiating football?

I have heard Eastern has talked about raising money for a stadium.

Do you believe it is more likely another MAC member adds football or a current football sponsor member leaves?
tweisman5: have you heard rumblings about a "current football sponsor member" leaving? If so, which venue?
Warren Thompson:

I haven't heard anything; instead, I was pondering which was more likely to happen first. I would think it would be more likely to see conference change before another institution member sponsors football mainly due to the costs. I know it seems to only be speculation, but jmcozenlaw has posted multiple times hints at a new East region conference forming with Stevenson leaving for a more geographical fit. I can see it happening in the next 5-10 years, but I was curious to hear others thoughts about if it's more likely to see another program added to bump the conference to 12 football members or if someone will leave to return membership to 10 programs.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 05, 2017, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 26, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 26, 2016, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: Teamski on November 19, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
I want to extend a big cudos to Stevenson for the great game they played today.  The score belies the difficulty Wesley had today especially in the first half.  Stevenson is a real deal team.  They were disciplined and athletic and the Stevenson defense pretty much shut down Falkenburg and stopped some deep drives early to keep the game close  through the first half.  Several key fumbles scratched their plans, though.

If the coach keeps to his path, I see Stevenson as a true powerhouse at some point close on the horizon.  I gotta say, I was REALLY impressed with the Stevenson fans and their incredible band.  Seriously, I felt that this was a road game at a Stevenson homecoming.  I have never, ever seen that kind of show at Wesley.  Friggin' bravo!

-Ski

I'll opine more come next mid-August when the board comes back to life (and maybe some of the dearly departed rise from the dead), but I fully expect Stevenson to remain at the top of the MAC going forward. As they plan to become a school with around 10,000 students, they will be 4X/5X the size of the average MAC school. This will give them huge advantages with the onslaught of facilities that are planned and the aid packages as a result of the burgeoning tuition and ancillary fee income. At a time when several MAC schools are cutting aid packages to athletes (especially Widener and DelVal), Stevenson joins Albright and Lycoming with handing out large packages.

Stevenson also enjoys not having 6-8 schools in their backyard competing for talent. The Maryland area is a solid area for high school football, with not many D-III schools in the state, especially close to them.

Another huge advantage comes in 2018 when Alvernia starts their football program. As it has happened in basketball and a few other sports, Alvernia and Albright (minutes apart), will be competing for the same players and it should over the years have a negative impact on Albright's success. One only needs to look at King's and Wilkes in football, where you need 100+ players. These two schools are separated by a street. Literally, a street. Throw Misericordia in the mix, about 10 minutes away. I don't ever see any of these three schools having sustained success in football.

A much larger school down the road, with facilities that beget a 10,000 student university (twice the size of Duke and Villanova undergrad), large aid packages, recruiting advantages by not having a bunch of competition in your backyard (like DelVal/Widener/Rowan.........or Albright/Alvernia.........or Wilkes/King's/Misericordia), I see Stevenson clearly at the top of the pack going forward. I also see Stevenson out of the MAC (their doing) within 5-7 years when the MAC expands sports in their current institutions and Arcadia, DeSales and Messiah all add football.

My (more educated than you think or know) guess............Stevenson, Salisbury, Frostburg, Hood, McDaniel (rumors growing about leaving the Centennial down the road) team up with some combination of Wesley, a couple of Virginia schools and maybe a Central PA school to form a conference that makes much more geographical sense than where many of the schools are currently based from a conference perspective.

If it happens, just remember where you heard it ;)

I was literally thinking about this the other day. I believe as of this moment, Stevenson is perfectly happy with the MAC conference. Main reason I say this is because the MAC aligns with there mission, which is to be a National Championship contender every year in every sport. Stevenson's athletic program covers a vast array of sports. Additionally, they are always looking to add more sports. Reason why the MAC fits is because they offer something no other conference currently can claim, the most conference championships awarded. The MAC just announced Men's and Women's Ice Hockey plus Men's Volleyball as there 27th sport. This offers Stevenson a central home conference. Until another conference can form to offer the same package, I believe Stevenson will be content.

Looking ahead, I do believe Stevenson is always open to better options that would fit their growing program and University. Ideally, I would like to see them target other geographical institutions to form a new conference. I tried to have a little fun with this and here are some institutions I identified for a hypothetical conference: Stevenson University, Salisbury University, Wesley College, Johns Hopkins University, Frostburg State University, McDaniel College, Christopher Newport University, and York College. Questionable options I like would be Washington and Lee University/Lynchburg University and Gettysburg College/Mulhenburg College. Also, Hood and St. Mary's would be another pair of good options. Now if this could happen, this would be a great lineup of institutions; however, I believe an agreement would have to be made by the ADs to commit to adding more athletic programs at certain institutions to build a stable base. Until a dream scenario like this happens, I see Stevenson remaining in the MAC.

Pat:

Is this story still developing or has it passed since it was posted:

http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/new-conference-shuffle-coming

Also, as you can see from jmcozenlaw and my own posts on this board, we can see speculation developing about a new conference forming with Stevenson, Salisbury, Frostburg St, McDaniel, Hood, John Hopkins (Hopeful would joins too), Wesley, a few Virginia schools, and maybe a PA school too. What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 05, 2017, 07:46:54 PM
A car accident and a few broken bones kept yours truly from his week five predictions last week.....................but I do have a prediction or three for the 18 year old kid who was texting while driving and crossed the center line. Cha-Ching!!!

Week Six Predictions:

Lycosimba - 37     FDU - 20     This might be the game that brings Simba out of the witness protection program!!
King's - 40      Miserables - 33     Miser looks like they've found a QB.................King's is ticked for choking up the 24-7 lead at home last week.
Widenerbman - 47     Wilkes - 13     The misery in Wilkes Barre continues!!

Albright - 20     DelVal - 16     My preseason #1 nips my preseason #3 at home. The kicking game factors in large!

Eagles - 27     Cardinals - 17     3-1 and at the top of the NFC East.......who would have thought it missing half of the defensive starters!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 05, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
tweisman - Some have more of an "inside track" to information, but nobody has the market cornered. When Jason states that Wesley will be in the NJAC, it is an opinion, and they probably will be for several years to come. The NJAC, like many other conferences in the Northeast, will undergo changes over time, it's just a matter of how much change and who it affects.

I happen to know, from very firsthand accounts (feasibility studies, fundraising, etc.) that DeSales, Messiah, Arcadia, Eastern and a few other schools have looked at adding football. Most will not (will not name names here). One will. Two might. That's about it. You may very well see that 12 team MAC and a championship game, but not for several years.

This is my opinion, based on facts as I know them, and how the conference shuffle spins down the road is anybody's guess. If anybody, and I do mean anybody thinks they know......they don't. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 05, 2017, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 05, 2017, 07:46:54 PM
A car accident and a few broken bones kept yours truly from his week five predictions last week.....................but I do have a prediction or three for the 18 year old kid who was texting while driving and crossed the center line. Cha-Ching!!!

Week Six Predictions:

Lycosimba - 37     FDU - 20     This might be the game that brings Simba out of the witness protection program!!
King's - 40      Miserables - 33     Miser looks like they've found a QB.................King's is ticked for choking up the 24-7 lead at home last week.
Widenerbman - 47     Wilkes - 13     The misery in Wilkes Barre continues!!

Albright - 20     DelVal - 16     My preseason #1 nips my preseason #3 at home. The kicking game factors in large!

Eagles - 27     Cardinals - 17     3-1 and at the top of the NFC East.......who would have thought it missing half of the defensive starters!

JM, I love your predictions, but I see little to no chance that Albright beats Del Val.  2 teams playing at different levels at this point.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 06, 2017, 12:17:33 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 05, 2017, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 26, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 26, 2016, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: Teamski on November 19, 2016, 04:16:13 PM

Also, as you can see from jmcozenlaw and my own posts on this board, we can see speculation developing about a new conference forming with Stevenson, Salisbury, Frostburg St, McDaniel, Hood, John Hopkins (Hopeful would joins too), Wesley, a few Virginia schools, and maybe a PA school too. What are your thoughts?

The conference talk is fun...but I think it would be a cold day in hell before Hopkins joins a conference like that. No offense meant to any of the prospective schools - but I can't fathom a Hopkins president/board of trustees going for anything like that. It' also why Hopkins maintained its affiliation with the UAA for so long....

Back to the MAC - I do know Shenandoah was a target back in the mid 2000's... but I'm not sure that's still on the table. I think that ship sailed...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 06, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 05, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
tweisman - Some have more of an "inside track" to information, but nobody has the market cornered. When Jason states that Wesley will be in the NJAC, it is an opinion, and they probably will be for several years to come. The NJAC, like many other conferences in the Northeast, will undergo changes over time, it's just a matter of how much change and who it affects.

I happen to know, from very firsthand accounts (feasibility studies, fundraising, etc.) that DeSales, Messiah, Arcadia, Eastern and a few other schools have looked at adding football. Most will not (will not name names here). One will. Two might. That's about it. You may very well see that 12 team MAC and a championship game, but not for several years.

This is my opinion, based on facts as I know them, and how the conference shuffle spins down the road is anybody's guess. If anybody, and I do mean anybody thinks they know......they don't. ;)

Jmcozenlaw:

I'm glad to hear your okay after that accident. I enjoy your insightful posts as it seems you are more informed than people realize. I completely understood that nobody truly knows everything unless they are running point on operations, but I was curious to hear either what others opinions are or maybe some inside rumbles they may have heard. It seems like you definitely are closer to those rumblings than others may believe.

I'm not surprised other institutions have thought about sponsoring football, but I'm intrigued to see who would be next to get this conference to 12 members and finally have a conference championship. I'm curious to see the schedule setup for when it does happen. My hunch would be two divisions of six teams. Each team would play the other 5 divisional opponents, a permanent crossover conference opponent, 2 rotational cross division opponents, and a non conference opponent. The final week (Championship Weekend) would match division #1 vs division #1, division #2 vs. division #2, and etc. I believe the Midwest conference does something similar their final week. This ensures every team plays a 10 game schedule with 9 conference games total.

Below is what I think would be a likely divisional setup as it already would follow the conference setup for other sports:

MAC Commonwealth

MAC Freedom

What is everyone's thoughts?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 06, 2017, 06:58:18 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 05, 2017, 07:46:54 PM
A car accident and a few broken bones kept yours truly from his week five predictions last week.....................but I do have a prediction or three for the 18 year old kid who was texting while driving and crossed the center line. Cha-Ching!!!

Week Six Predictions:

Lycosimba - 37     FDU - 20     This might be the game that brings Simba out of the witness protection program!!
King's - 40      Miserables - 33     Miser looks like they've found a QB.................King's is ticked for choking up the 24-7 lead at home last week.
Widenerbman - 47     Wilkes - 13     The misery in Wilkes Barre continues!!

Albright - 20     DelVal - 16     My preseason #1 nips my preseason #3 at home. The kicking game factors in large!

Eagles - 27     Cardinals - 17     3-1 and at the top of the NFC East.......who would have thought it missing half of the defensive starters!

JM...Drive carefully amigo...and heal quickly!

I haven't had time to post much this year, but time for some predictions...

Lycoming 24- FDU 14           Lyco is still young, but FDU won't have enough, unless Lyco lets them in the game...
Kings 42 - Miseracordia 14    Le Mis has a win under it's belt, but number two will not be this week...
Widener 28 Wilkes 7             WU O has not shown much, so not expecting much here...the WUs O is light years worse than the team that put up 90 on Wilkes a few years ago
Del Val 35 Albright 21          WU shut down the Albright O, and I expect Del Val will too.

F'Burg 38  Wesley 35           Just a hunch

Eagles 24  Arizona 21          This will be closer than people think
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 06, 2017, 11:38:13 PM
Below are my week 6 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 6 Predictions

King's (-7.5) @ Misericordia: King's wins by 10

#14 Del Val (-8.5) @ Albright: Albright wins by 3 

FDU @ Lycoming (-17.5): Lycoming wins by 20

Widener (-20.5) @ Wilkes: Widener wins by 23

Week 6 Rankings
1. Del Val (5-0, 4-0)
2. Stevenson (3-2, 3-1)
3. Albright (5-0, 4-0)
4. Widener (3-2, 3-1)
5. Lycoming (2-3, 2-2)
6. King's (2-3, 1-3)
7. Leb Val (2-3, 2-2)
8. Misericordia (1-4, 1-3)
9. FDU (1-4, 0-4)
10. Wilkes (0-5, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Week 5: 5-0 (1.000)
Season: 20-10 (.667)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 07, 2017, 03:48:14 PM
Congratulation Del Val - Aggies 41/Albright 6!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 08, 2017, 09:59:46 AM
Please make that huge "Congratulations"!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 08, 2017, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 06, 2017, 11:38:13 PM
Below are my week 6 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 6 Predictions

King's (-7.5) @ Misericordia: King's wins by 10

#14 Del Val (-8.5) @ Albright: Albright wins by 3 

FDU @ Lycoming (-17.5): Lycoming wins by 20

Widener (-20.5) @ Wilkes: Widener wins by 23

Week 6 Rankings
1. Del Val (5-0, 4-0)
2. Stevenson (3-2, 3-1)
3. Albright (5-0, 4-0)
4. Widener (3-2, 3-1)
5. Lycoming (2-3, 2-2)
6. King's (2-3, 1-3)
7. Leb Val (2-3, 2-2)
8. Misericordia (1-4, 1-3)
9. FDU (1-4, 0-4)
10. Wilkes (0-5, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Week 5: 5-0 (1.000)
Season: 20-10 (.667)
Tweis
I am very interested to see if your rankings of Stevenson and Albright hold water.  Before the demolition of Albright this weekend, I would have reduced your Stevenson ranking to "homerism", but now I'm not so sure...I guess because Stevenson loss to Del Val was "less worse" than Albrights, I don't have as much of a disagreement with the placement.  However, at face value, I feel icky that you rank a 2 loss team over a 1 loss team, especially when the 2 loss team doesn't have a win over a quality opponent.  I guess the acid test will be the Albright and Widener games.
Anyway, nice job on the rankings (keep em coming!), and hopefully you can generate some more discourse on the board....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 09, 2017, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: bman on October 08, 2017, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 06, 2017, 11:38:13 PM
Below are my week 6 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 6 Predictions

King's (-7.5) @ Misericordia: King's wins by 10

#14 Del Val (-8.5) @ Albright: Albright wins by 3 

FDU @ Lycoming (-17.5): Lycoming wins by 20

Widener (-20.5) @ Wilkes: Widener wins by 23

Week 6 Rankings
1. Del Val (5-0, 4-0)
2. Stevenson (3-2, 3-1)
3. Albright (5-0, 4-0)
4. Widener (3-2, 3-1)
5. Lycoming (2-3, 2-2)
6. King's (2-3, 1-3)
7. Leb Val (2-3, 2-2)
8. Misericordia (1-4, 1-3)
9. FDU (1-4, 0-4)
10. Wilkes (0-5, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Week 5: 5-0 (1.000)
Season: 20-10 (.667)
Tweis
I am very interested to see if your rankings of Stevenson and Albright hold water.  Before the demolition of Albright this weekend, I would have reduced your Stevenson ranking to "homerism", but now I'm not so sure...I guess because Stevenson loss to Del Val was "less worse" than Albrights, I don't have as much of a disagreement with the placement.  However, at face value, I feel icky that you rank a 2 loss team over a 1 loss team, especially when the 2 loss team doesn't have a win over a quality opponent.  I guess the acid test will be the Albright and Widener games.
Anyway, nice job on the rankings (keep em coming!), and hopefully you can generate some more discourse on the board....

Bman

Glad to see your posts again! I'm always glad to have engaging discussions on the board. Regarding your post, I admit to the struggle of "homerism" as most fans due too. I always strive to be as objective as I can, but the struggle is real. Also, I agree with the ill visual of a 2 loss above a 1 loss team that has a quality win. My case though essential had to come down to common opponent. The margin of victory Stevenson had against King's compared to Albright's was a key point to figure out the floor for both teams. Furthermore, I have been able to observe the many self inflicted errors Stevenson had against 2 top 25 opponents, which gave me confidence how relatively close they were to notching a quality win. I can't speak to the play-by-play of Albright so far during the season, but I'll note the separate of my rankings between 2 and 3 wasn't significant. I'm intrigued to see how Stevenson performs this month against both Albright and Widener. It will be a real tough 2 weeks, but will be a good gauge.

I look forward to hear further input and discussion from you bman. I'm hopeful to see this board return to life again!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 10:19:15 AM
Albright making news today. This was also on ESPN. http://www.readingeagle.com/sports/article/college-football-albright-player-dismissed-from-team-for-kneeling-during-anthem
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 11, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 10:19:15 AM
Albright making news today. This was also on ESPN. http://www.readingeagle.com/sports/article/college-football-albright-player-dismissed-from-team-for-kneeling-during-anthem

Looks like this was the players decision (or at least a committee of them), and not Albright's decision...a shame for the player that took a stand, but at least he was informed of the consequences prior to his actions... 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 11, 2017, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: bman on October 11, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 10:19:15 AM
Albright making news today. This was also on ESPN. http://www.readingeagle.com/sports/article/college-football-albright-player-dismissed-from-team-for-kneeling-during-anthem

Looks like this was the players decision (or at least a committee of them), and not Albright's decision...a shame for the player that took a stand, but at least he was informed of the consequences prior to his actions...

Yes, truly unfortunate that he would be kicked off the team. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 12, 2017, 12:25:42 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on October 11, 2017, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: bman on October 11, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 11, 2017, 10:19:15 AM
Albright making news today. This was also on ESPN. http://www.readingeagle.com/sports/article/college-football-albright-player-dismissed-from-team-for-kneeling-during-anthem

Looks like this was the players decision (or at least a committee of them), and not Albright's decision...a shame for the player that took a stand, but at least he was informed of the consequences prior to his actions...

Yes, truly unfortunate that he would be kicked off the team.

I am thinking he was dismissed not because he kneeled, but because he went against a team vote. If he disagreed initially with the vote, he should have told them so and that he felt compelled to do so, then the team would not have been shocked, which would have allowed them acknowledge and empathize with their teammate. However, it is unfortunate that he was kicked off, I thought a game suspension would have been enough. It still not going to go well for Albright. I am curious if other players shared the same sentiment.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 14, 2017, 12:36:36 AM
Below are my week 7 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 7 Predictions

Lycoming @ Widener (-3.5): Widener wins by 4

King's @ #7 Del Val (-28.5): Del Val wins by 27   

Stevenson (-16.5) @ Leb Val: Stevenson wins by 23

Week 7 Rankings
1. Del Val (6-0, 5-0)
2. Stevenson (3-2, 3-1)
3. Albright (5-1, 4-1)
4. Widener (4-2, 4-1)
5. Lycoming (3-3, 3-2)
6. King's (3-3, 2-3)
7. Leb Val (2-3, 2-2)
8. Misericordia (1-5, 1-4)
9. FDU (1-5, 0-5)
10. Wilkes (0-6, 0-5)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 3-1 (.750)
Season: 23-11 (.676)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 14, 2017, 09:33:47 AM
JM...Drive carefully amigo...and heal quickly!

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Thanks my friend!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 14, 2017, 09:37:54 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 05, 2017, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 05, 2017, 07:46:54 PM
A car accident and a few broken bones kept yours truly from his week five predictions last week.....................but I do have a prediction or three for the 18 year old kid who was texting while driving and crossed the center line. Cha-Ching!!!

Week Six Predictions:

Lycosimba - 37     FDU - 20     This might be the game that brings Simba out of the witness protection program!!
King's - 40      Miserables - 33     Miser looks like they've found a QB.................King's is ticked for choking up the 24-7 lead at home last week.
Widenerbman - 47     Wilkes - 13     The misery in Wilkes Barre continues!!

Albright - 20     DelVal - 16     My preseason #1 nips my preseason #3 at home. The kicking game factors in large!

Eagles - 27     Cardinals - 17     3-1 and at the top of the NFC East.......who would have thought it missing half of the defensive starters!

JM, I love your predictions, but I see little to no chance that Albright beats Del Val.  2 teams playing at different levels at this point.

Wesleydad, you were spot on about the DelVal vs. Albright game. Myself and tweisman had it completely wrong. I did not see the complete dismantling that occurred. With all of the social media chirping that was coming from the Albright side in the week leading up to the game.......no wonder the Aggies put their foot on Albright's collective throat!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 14, 2017, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 06, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 05, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
tweisman - Some have more of an "inside track" to information, but nobody has the market cornered. When Jason states that Wesley will be in the NJAC, it is an opinion, and they probably will be for several years to come. The NJAC, like many other conferences in the Northeast, will undergo changes over time, it's just a matter of how much change and who it affects.

I happen to know, from very firsthand accounts (feasibility studies, fundraising, etc.) that DeSales, Messiah, Arcadia, Eastern and a few other schools have looked at adding football. Most will not (will not name names here). One will. Two might. That's about it. You may very well see that 12 team MAC and a championship game, but not for several years.

This is my opinion, based on facts as I know them, and how the conference shuffle spins down the road is anybody's guess. If anybody, and I do mean anybody thinks they know......they don't. ;)

Jmcozenlaw:

I'm glad to hear your okay after that accident. I enjoy your insightful posts as it seems you are more informed than people realize. I completely understood that nobody truly knows everything unless they are running point on operations, but I was curious to hear either what others opinions are or maybe some inside rumbles they may have heard. It seems like you definitely are closer to those rumblings than others may believe.

I'm not surprised other institutions have thought about sponsoring football, but I'm intrigued to see who would be next to get this conference to 12 members and finally have a conference championship. I'm curious to see the schedule setup for when it does happen. My hunch would be two divisions of six teams. Each team would play the other 5 divisional opponents, a permanent crossover conference opponent, 2 rotational cross division opponents, and a non conference opponent. The final week (Championship Weekend) would match division #1 vs division #1, division #2 vs. division #2, and etc. I believe the Midwest conference does something similar their final week. This ensures every team plays a 10 game schedule with 9 conference games total.

Below is what I think would be a likely divisional setup as it already would follow the conference setup for other sports:

MAC Commonwealth

  • Stevenson
  • Widener
  • Albright
  • Lycoming
  • Lebanon Valley
  • Alvernia

MAC Freedom

  • Delaware Valley
  • King's
  • FDU Florham
  • Misericordia
  • Wilkes
  • 12th MAC Member

What is everyone's thoughts?

Thanks for the well wishes!! Your 12 team breakdown by division is 100% spot on. Alvernia/Albright are neighbors. Lycoming and LebVal are the "a bit more out west teams" and Widener is the "southern" most team to pair up with Stevenson.

The three NEPA schools (Miserables, King's, Wilkes) are obvious. The one NJ team (FDU) is as well from a geographical standpoint. DelVal is obvious in this division along with either Eastern, DeSales, Arcadia...........and a sleeper who would know that I opened my yap as it is a "secret". Shhhhhh!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 14, 2017, 10:02:52 AM
I'm not going to comment about the Albright situation other than to say.....................after talking smack all week leading up to the game, on the various forums many millennials use to "communicate", I'm surprised the Albright coach didn't kick most of the varsity players off of the team for that dog-like "contest" against DelVal. Never write a check (or talk smack online) that your mouth can't cash (or something like that!!) ;)

Week Seven Predictions:

Stevenson - 51      LebVal - 17  My preseason #2 takes LebVal to the woodshed as it prepares for home games against Albright and Widenerbman
DelVal - 34      King's - 23      The Aggies don't play their best game after last week's destruction of Albright. King's had down Albright 24-7 before the wheels fell off. King's is not bad this year.

Widenerbman - 34      Lycosimba - 17     If this game doesn't bring the MIA Simba out of hiding........he really is in the Witness Protection Program. Seriously. No joke!! :)

Eagles - 28      Panthers - 23      Trust me on this one. Take it to the bank!!

Wesley - Some astute poster said that Wesley would run the table after the DelVal loss and that the injury to Falkenburg would turn out to be a blessing in disguise. He also predicted a Wesley run to the National Semifinals. I don't know his name...............but I'll be damned if he isn't one sharp azz cookie!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
I didn't get predictions in yesterday, but suffice it to say, I would have been correct in my guesses on 2 of the 3  ;)

- Some notes -
Lyco played a very good first half yesterday, and honestly, I thought WU was in trouble, but WU came out in the 2nd half and dominated, so my worries were for nothing...
Stevenson - Tweis-  now I know why I had that Icky feeling regarding your placement of Stevenson in your rankings (I'll get to that in a bit)...
Del Val dismantled Kings this week...and I was not surprised...They should be the consensus #1 in the East (barring a slip up), and with Leb Val, Misericordia and WU remaining, I don't see that happening.   I (almost) want to take the (long for me) trip to Doylestown to see them in person against WU...Almost.  Maybe I'll wait until the playoffs...

Now - on to the life lesson...
There comes a time where you just have to let go...

Tweis...it's that time.  It's time to acknowledge that it's not just mistakes and bad luck at inopportune times...but to be sure that is somewhat a factor.  The reality, is that Stevenson isn't as good as they have been in the last couple years.  Losing the talent you had, especially on the defensive side of the ball, is not easily replaced.  Stevenson has went from the team pressuring the opponent into mistakes, to the team making the mistake.  That's not bad luck, that's the cycle of MAC football...
Tweis - those of us in the Lyco, WU, Albright counseling circle are here for you brother...pull up a chair!

Random Sunday note...last night a former WU player said to me out of the blue "hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players...Todd Coolidge(QB), Al Bucci (WR) and Cosmo Iacavazzi at FB/RB.  That team was dominant in the MAC in the late 80s. 
It got me to thinking, maybe we should do an all-time top 25 in the MAC...something to think about...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 15, 2017, 11:35:06 AM
That would be fun!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 15, 2017, 05:29:56 PM
bman: I know Stevenson is down more than a little this season, but it's still nice to make them look mortal. ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 16, 2017, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
"hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players....

Bman - when you wrote Cosmo's name, I immediately thought of his Dad from Princeton! I was acquainted with the family back in NJ...did not know the brother, but met dad several times as his daughter and I ran in the same social circles back in high school...Nice blast from the past.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on October 17, 2017, 11:35:32 AM
Quote from: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
I didn't get predictions in yesterday, but suffice it to say, I would have been correct in my guesses on 2 of the 3  ;)

- Some notes -
Lyco played a very good first half yesterday, and honestly, I thought WU was in trouble, but WU came out in the 2nd half and dominated, so my worries were for nothing...
Stevenson - Tweis-  now I know why I had that Icky feeling regarding your placement of Stevenson in your rankings (I'll get to that in a bit)...
Del Val dismantled Kings this week...and I was not surprised...They should be the consensus #1 in the East (barring a slip up), and with Leb Val, Misericordia and WU remaining, I don't see that happening.   I (almost) want to take the (long for me) trip to Doylestown to see them in person against WU...Almost.  Maybe I'll wait until the playoffs...

Now - on to the life lesson...
There comes a time where you just have to let go...

Tweis...it's that time.  It's time to acknowledge that it's not just mistakes and bad luck at inopportune times...but to be sure that is somewhat a factor.  The reality, is that Stevenson isn't as good as they have been in the last couple years.  Losing the talent you had, especially on the defensive side of the ball, is not easily replaced.  Stevenson has went from the team pressuring the opponent into mistakes, to the team making the mistake.  That's not bad luck, that's the cycle of MAC football...
Tweis - those of us in the Lyco, WU, Albright counseling circle are here for you brother...pull up a chair!

Random Sunday note...last night a former WU player said to me out of the blue "hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players...Todd Coolidge(QB), Al Bucci (WR) and Cosmo Iacavazzi at FB/RB.  That team was dominant in the MAC in the late 80s. 
It got me to thinking, maybe we should do an all-time top 25 in the MAC...something to think about...
Cosmo Iacavazzi......is that the son of the same name that was an All American at Princeton in the 60's?It must be with a name like that. He was A FB in the Single Wing and famous for flying leap  goal line touchdowns for a Princeton team that was actually ranked #10 in the country at one point...by the way he played both ways as a FB and LB.Cosmo got drafted by the Jets but the flying leap didn't work in the NFL, they caught him and threw him back ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 17, 2017, 12:04:00 PM
Albright really can't get out of their own way this week but I give them credit for facing the mess they created.

One knelt during the anthem... tossed. Two others didn't kneel during the coin toss... tossed. Headlines start to pile up and the school came back around and said... uhh.... just kidding fellows. Come on back.

Basically the upshot is the punishment was stupidly draconian. Broke a minor team decision? Suspend for a game. Go overboard and make ridiculous headlines you can't get out of... walk it all back.

In the end, it seems like they came to the right conclusion. None of this was important enough to toss players from a team. That being said, it's quite clear the school isn't going to have this again. No more votes, athletes can do what they feel is right.

In other words, voting doesn't and can't create unity. Shocking, I know.

http://albright.edu/a-message-from-the-president.html
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2017, 06:21:00 PM
Quote from: bill on October 16, 2017, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
"hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players....

Bman - when you wrote Cosmo's name, I immediately thought of his Dad from Princeton! I was acquainted with the family back in NJ...did not know the brother, but met dad several times as his daughter and I ran in the same social circles back in high school...Nice blast from the past.

Bill
Admittedly, I forgot about his father until I went on-line to try to find their WRs name(Bucci)...he was a stud, as was their QB.  That's when I ran into the story of Cosmo's father.  Great read and great athlete...
I think it will be fun to bring up and discuss some of the great athletes in MAC history.  I'll try to post 1 player each week from the MAC football members...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 17, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 17, 2017, 12:04:00 PM
Albright really can't get out of their own way this week but I give them credit for facing the mess they created.

One knelt during the anthem... tossed. Two others didn't kneel during the coin toss... tossed. Headlines start to pile up and the school came back around and said... uhh.... just kidding fellows. Come on back.

Basically the upshot is the punishment was stupidly draconian. Broke a minor team decision? Suspend for a game. Go overboard and make ridiculous headlines you can't get out of... walk it all back.

In the end, it seems like they came to the right conclusion. None of this was important enough to toss players from a team. That being said, it's quite clear the school isn't going to have this again. No more votes, athletes can do what they feel is right.

In other words, voting doesn't and can't create unity. Shocking, I know.

http://albright.edu/a-message-from-the-president.html

Sometimes, someone has to stand up and inject some common sense now and again...that situation had litigation written all over it...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 19, 2017, 12:35:43 PM
Quote from: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM

Random Sunday note...last night a former WU player said to me out of the blue "hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players...Todd Coolidge(QB), Al Bucci (WR) and Cosmo Iacavazzi at FB/RB.  That team was dominant in the MAC in the late 80s. 
It got me to thinking, maybe we should do an all-time top 25 in the MAC...something to think about...

I played American Legion ball against Todd back in the 80s. Played at our rival high school of Wellsboro, PA. He married a girl from our high school (Mansfield).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 19, 2017, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 17, 2017, 12:04:00 PM
Albright really can't get out of their own way this week but I give them credit for facing the mess they created.

One knelt during the anthem... tossed. Two others didn't kneel during the coin toss... tossed. Headlines start to pile up and the school came back around and said... uhh.... just kidding fellows. Come on back.

Basically the upshot is the punishment was stupidly draconian. Broke a minor team decision? Suspend for a game. Go overboard and make ridiculous headlines you can't get out of... walk it all back.

In the end, it seems like they came to the right conclusion. None of this was important enough to toss players from a team. That being said, it's quite clear the school isn't going to have this again. No more votes, athletes can do what they feel is right.

In other words, voting doesn't and can't create unity. Shocking, I know.

http://albright.edu/a-message-from-the-president.html

Who knew this topic could be so divisive. Nobody!  :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 19, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on October 19, 2017, 12:35:43 PM
Quote from: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM

Random Sunday note...last night a former WU player said to me out of the blue "hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players...Todd Coolidge(QB), Al Bucci (WR) and Cosmo Iacavazzi at FB/RB.  That team was dominant in the MAC in the late 80s. 
It got me to thinking, maybe we should do an all-time top 25 in the MAC...something to think about...

I played American Legion ball against Todd back in the 80s. Played at our rival high school of Wellsboro, PA. He married a girl from our high school (Mansfield).

You're old... ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 20, 2017, 12:20:50 AM
Quote from: bman on October 19, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on October 19, 2017, 12:35:43 PM
Quote from: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM

Random Sunday note...last night a former WU player said to me out of the blue "hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players...Todd Coolidge(QB), Al Bucci (WR) and Cosmo Iacavazzi at FB/RB.  That team was dominant in the MAC in the late 80s. 
It got me to thinking, maybe we should do an all-time top 25 in the MAC...something to think about...

I played American Legion ball against Todd back in the 80s. Played at our rival high school of Wellsboro, PA. He married a girl from our high school (Mansfield).

You're old...
;)
I have to second that. If I graduated HS in the 1980's and can't remember that, you must be old! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2017, 03:11:28 PM
tweisman - Our bad picks continued last week as I had Stevenson by 34 and you had them by 23.................and LebVal beat them. They need to strap it up and take Albright and Widener to the woodshed at home these next two weeks. As I didn't see the Stevenson @ LebVal game, what the heck happened??? After a mediocre Franklin & Marshall team beat LebVal 51-0 to open the season, I thought that it was going to be another long season in Annville. It looks like the LebVal game at DelVal in 8 days might be a tight slugfest!!

Week 8 Predictions:

Wilkes - 20 @ FDU - 38     Two winless teams playing out the stretch with no defenses and little to no running games. Women's Hoops can't start soon enough at FDU!!
LebVal - 47 @ Miserables - 20     If you beat Stevenson, my preseason #2 last week..........you should whack Les Miserables with the recent momentum by the team in Annville.

Stevenson - 23  Albright - 20    I thought this game would be for the MAC title in the preseason. Based on Stevenson giving DelVal a much better game, I'm going with the home team by a FG.

Eagles - 24     Redskins - 20     The miracle season continues for the team predicted by the "experts" to finish at 7-9 and last in the NFC East. Thank you Cleveland for Carson Wentz!!
Penn State - 30     Michigan - 20     The white out partying has been in full force since yesterday!!

Simba - Where the heck are you?????
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 03:16:08 PM
What happened to Wilkes? My parents are graduates and the first time W&L made the playoffs we got killed by them in the first round. They were big and fast, and choked in the second round. But since then, they can barely sniff .500. A team that wasn't always great, but was usually good for 7 wins and more wins than losses in conference all of a sudden stunk and stayed bad for more than a decade. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2017, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 03:16:08 PM
What happened to Wilkes? My parents are graduates and the first time W&L made the playoffs we got killed by them in the first round. They were big and fast, and choked in the second round. But since then, they can barely sniff .500. A team that wasn't always great, but was usually good for 7 wins and more wins than losses in conference all of a sudden stunk and stayed bad for more than a decade.

Tough question to answer. It is not an academic situation (this is not the NESCAC or even the Centennial) so anybody who goes down that path truly has zero clue. I've spoken to a few recent transfers to other (unnamed) MAC schools and the general consensus (at least their take) is that you have a handful, or two, of players who are very serious about playing..........and lifting and getting in the playbook, etc. and many more who just kind of show up. It's almost as if they get up for just two games............King's of course as they are neighbors and the every-other-year-home-Superbowl-game vs. DelVal. Two years ago they beat DelVal 12-7 at home........and finished 1-9. This year, they had DelVal on the ropes in the 4th quarter until the Aggies scored on a pick-six and as the result of another immediate turnover.......and haven't beaten anybody.

There is another matter that was pointed out by an in-the-know, recent addition to the coaching staff (the sharpest in the group will connect the dots) and it also has to do with commitment. Not institutional nor athletic commitment. Just a mindset to want to hit the weight room just a few weeks after the season ends kind of committment. I'm not a huge fan of the offense that Wilkes runs but who am I to say. As an older head, I never want to be a "get off my lawn" type................but tempo can bite you in the keyster when it doesn't work. ;)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 20, 2017, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 03:16:08 PM
What happened to Wilkes? My parents are graduates and the first time W&L made the playoffs we got killed by them in the first round. They were big and fast, and choked in the second round. But since then, they can barely sniff .500. A team that wasn't always great, but was usually good for 7 wins and more wins than losses in conference all of a sudden stunk and stayed bad for more than a decade. 

Are you old enough to remember the Wilkes teams of the pre-D3 late 1960s/early 70s? They were more than tough (and rumored to have a good many Penn State rejects) and were in the running for the "small-college" version of the Lambert Trophy (was it called the Lambert Cup?).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on October 20, 2017, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 20, 2017, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 03:16:08 PM
What happened to Wilkes? My parents are graduates and the first time W&L made the playoffs we got killed by them in the first round. They were big and fast, and choked in the second round. But since then, they can barely sniff .500. A team that wasn't always great, but was usually good for 7 wins and more wins than losses in conference all of a sudden stunk and stayed bad for more than a decade. 

Are you old enough to remember the Wilkes teams of the pre-D3 late 1960s/early 70s? They were more than tough (and rumored to have a good many Penn State rejects) and were in the running for the "small-college" version of the Lambert Trophy (was it called the Lambert Cup?).

I am old enough Warren.  It was the "Lambert Bowl" which Alfred won, I believe, for their undefeated 1972 season.  I was there.  No doubt Pep may elaborate.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 20, 2017, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 03:16:08 PM
What happened to Wilkes? My parents are graduates and the first time W&L made the playoffs we got killed by them in the first round. They were big and fast, and choked in the second round. But since then, they can barely sniff .500. A team that wasn't always great, but was usually good for 7 wins and more wins than losses in conference all of a sudden stunk and stayed bad for more than a decade. 

Are you old enough to remember the Wilkes teams of the pre-D3 late 1960s/early 70s? They were more than tough (and rumored to have a good many Penn State rejects) and were in the running for the "small-college" version of the Lambert Trophy (was it called the Lambert Cup?).

I'm not. But my parents are both Wilkes '71 alums. I think. Might be '70. But my dad remembers those years well. His 4 year roommate was a standout wide receiver on some of those teams.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 20, 2017, 10:53:33 PM
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

Albright @ Stevenson (-2.5): Stevenson wins by 3

Leb Val (-12.5) @ Misericordia: Leb Val wins by 13   

Wilkes @ FDU (-7.5): FDU wins by 3

Week 8 Rankings
1. Del Val (7-0, 6-0)
2. Albright (5-1, 4-1)
3. Widener (5-2, 5-1)
4. Stevenson (3-3, 3-2)
5. Lycoming (3-4, 3-3)
6. Leb Val (3-3, 3-2)
7. King's (3-4, 2-4)
8. FDU (1-5, 0-5)
9. Misericordia (1-5, 1-4)
10. Wilkes (0-6, 0-5)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 2-1 (.667)
Season: 25-12 (.676)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 20, 2017, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 14, 2017, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 06, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 05, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
tweisman - Some have more of an "inside track" to information, but nobody has the market cornered. When Jason states that Wesley will be in the NJAC, it is an opinion, and they probably will be for several years to come. The NJAC, like many other conferences in the Northeast, will undergo changes over time, it's just a matter of how much change and who it affects.

I happen to know, from very firsthand accounts (feasibility studies, fundraising, etc.) that DeSales, Messiah, Arcadia, Eastern and a few other schools have looked at adding football. Most will not (will not name names here). One will. Two might. That's about it. You may very well see that 12 team MAC and a championship game, but not for several years.

This is my opinion, based on facts as I know them, and how the conference shuffle spins down the road is anybody's guess. If anybody, and I do mean anybody thinks they know......they don't. ;)

Jmcozenlaw:

I'm glad to hear your okay after that accident. I enjoy your insightful posts as it seems you are more informed than people realize. I completely understood that nobody truly knows everything unless they are running point on operations, but I was curious to hear either what others opinions are or maybe some inside rumbles they may have heard. It seems like you definitely are closer to those rumblings than others may believe.

I'm not surprised other institutions have thought about sponsoring football, but I'm intrigued to see who would be next to get this conference to 12 members and finally have a conference championship. I'm curious to see the schedule setup for when it does happen. My hunch would be two divisions of six teams. Each team would play the other 5 divisional opponents, a permanent crossover conference opponent, 2 rotational cross division opponents, and a non conference opponent. The final week (Championship Weekend) would match division #1 vs division #1, division #2 vs. division #2, and etc. I believe the Midwest conference does something similar their final week. This ensures every team plays a 10 game schedule with 9 conference games total.

Below is what I think would be a likely divisional setup as it already would follow the conference setup for other sports:

MAC Commonwealth

  • Stevenson
  • Widener
  • Albright
  • Lycoming
  • Lebanon Valley
  • Alvernia

MAC Freedom

  • Delaware Valley
  • King's
  • FDU Florham
  • Misericordia
  • Wilkes
  • 12th MAC Member

What is everyone's thoughts?

Thanks for the well wishes!! Your 12 team breakdown by division is 100% spot on. Alvernia/Albright are neighbors. Lycoming and LebVal are the "a bit more out west teams" and Widener is the "southern" most team to pair up with Stevenson.

The three NEPA schools (Miserables, King's, Wilkes) are obvious. The one NJ team (FDU) is as well from a geographical standpoint. DelVal is obvious in this division along with either Eastern, DeSales, Arcadia...........and a sleeper who would know that I opened my yap as it is a "secret". Shhhhhh!! :)

Jmcozenlaw

I'm ecstatic to hear that my guess was actually spot on! I'm definitely intrigued now who this sleeper will be. I understand you don't won't to open your mouth who it will be, but are you able to at least mention when we could expect to hear an announcement when this could happen? I'm curious because this would determine how long the conference rolls with 11 teams before we get divisional setups.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 20, 2017, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
I didn't get predictions in yesterday, but suffice it to say, I would have been correct in my guesses on 2 of the 3  ;)

- Some notes -
Lyco played a very good first half yesterday, and honestly, I thought WU was in trouble, but WU came out in the 2nd half and dominated, so my worries were for nothing...
Stevenson - Tweis-  now I know why I had that Icky feeling regarding your placement of Stevenson in your rankings (I'll get to that in a bit)...
Del Val dismantled Kings this week...and I was not surprised...They should be the consensus #1 in the East (barring a slip up), and with Leb Val, Misericordia and WU remaining, I don't see that happening.   I (almost) want to take the (long for me) trip to Doylestown to see them in person against WU...Almost.  Maybe I'll wait until the playoffs...

Now - on to the life lesson...
There comes a time where you just have to let go...

Tweis...it's that time.  It's time to acknowledge that it's not just mistakes and bad luck at inopportune times...but to be sure that is somewhat a factor.  The reality, is that Stevenson isn't as good as they have been in the last couple years.  Losing the talent you had, especially on the defensive side of the ball, is not easily replaced.  Stevenson has went from the team pressuring the opponent into mistakes, to the team making the mistake.  That's not bad luck, that's the cycle of MAC football...
Tweis - those of us in the Lyco, WU, Albright counseling circle are here for you brother...pull up a chair!

Random Sunday note...last night a former WU player said to me out of the blue "hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players...Todd Coolidge(QB), Al Bucci (WR) and Cosmo Iacavazzi at FB/RB.  That team was dominant in the MAC in the late 80s. 
It got me to thinking, maybe we should do an all-time top 25 in the MAC...something to think about...

Bman

I'll admit that I was bullish on this years squad and will give credit to those who pointed this out. I still believe the best reason for most of these defeats were simply to obvious mental errors that shouldn't occur for a reigning championship program that was built the past few seasons on playing off these mistakes from other opponents. Looking ahead, I'm hopeful these mistakes don't continue and the season is finished out strong to make the MAC-Centennial bowl.

Regards to this week's game against Albright, it may seem weird to pick a team with a better resume to lose. My argument is if you look at both teams, Albright is molded similar to Stevenson, both with good defenses and heavier pass attacks. Nearly all of Stevenson's loses resemble opposition that had good line play on both sides of the ball, a good run offense that runs clock, and capitalizes on opportunities given. I'm actually more worried for next week against Widener than this week against Albright as that Widener defense is a takeaway machine. This week's game will be telling if I'm accurate on my assessment or completely off.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 21, 2017, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 20, 2017, 10:53:33 PM
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

Albright @ Stevenson (-2.5): Albright by 10 ...NOPE, Nope Nope and Nope...not falling for the Stevenson is better than their record indicates argument.  Albright got waxed by Del Val ...but they have a good D and a decent offense.   Stevenson, needs to show they can compete before I take them again...

Leb Val (-12.5)@ Misericordia: Leb Val  by 24     Leb Val has proved their better than their ugly opening game...and that they can score points

Wilkes @ FDU (-7.5): FDU by 14

Bmans's Week 8 Rankings
1. Del Val (7-0, 6-0)
2. Albright (5-1, 4-1)
3. Widener (5-2, 5-1)
4. Leb Val (3-3, 3-2)
5. Stevenson (3-3, 3-2)
6. Lycoming (3-4, 3-3)
7. King's (3-4, 2-4)
8. FDU (1-5, 0-5)
9. Misericordia (1-5, 1-4)
10. Wilkes (0-6, 0-5)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 21, 2017, 10:58:07 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 20, 2017, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
I didn't get predictions in yesterday, but suffice it to say, I would have been correct in my guesses on 2 of the 3  ;)

- Some notes -
Lyco played a very good first half yesterday, and honestly, I thought WU was in trouble, but WU came out in the 2nd half and dominated, so my worries were for nothing...
Stevenson - Tweis-  now I know why I had that Icky feeling regarding your placement of Stevenson in your rankings (I'll get to that in a bit)...
Del Val dismantled Kings this week...and I was not surprised...They should be the consensus #1 in the East (barring a slip up), and with Leb Val, Misericordia and WU remaining, I don't see that happening.   I (almost) want to take the (long for me) trip to Doylestown to see them in person against WU...Almost.  Maybe I'll wait until the playoffs...

Now - on to the life lesson...
There comes a time where you just have to let go...

Tweis...it's that time.  It's time to acknowledge that it's not just mistakes and bad luck at inopportune times...but to be sure that is somewhat a factor.  The reality, is that Stevenson isn't as good as they have been in the last couple years.  Losing the talent you had, especially on the defensive side of the ball, is not easily replaced.  Stevenson has went from the team pressuring the opponent into mistakes, to the team making the mistake.  That's not bad luck, that's the cycle of MAC football...
Tweis - those of us in the Lyco, WU, Albright counseling circle are here for you brother...pull up a chair!

Random Sunday note...last night a former WU player said to me out of the blue "hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players...Todd Coolidge(QB), Al Bucci (WR) and Cosmo Iacavazzi at FB/RB.  That team was dominant in the MAC in the late 80s. 
It got me to thinking, maybe we should do an all-time top 25 in the MAC...something to think about...

Bman

I'll admit that I was bullish on this years squad and will give credit to those who pointed this out. I still believe the best reason for most of these defeats were simply to obvious mental errors that shouldn't occur for a reigning championship program that was built the past few seasons on playing off these mistakes from other opponents. Looking ahead, I'm hopeful these mistakes don't continue and the season is finished out strong to make the MAC-Centennial bowl.

Regards to this week's game against Albright, it may seem weird to pick a team with a better resume to lose. My argument is if you look at both teams, Albright is molded similar to Stevenson, both with good defenses and heavier pass attacks. Nearly all of Stevenson's loses resemble opposition that had good line play on both sides of the ball, a good run offense that runs clock, and capitalizes on opportunities given. I'm actually more worried for next week against Widener than this week against Albright as that Widener defense is a takeaway machine. This week's game will be telling if I'm accurate on my assessment or completely off.
+K  you have to root for your team!
...me I'm not so optimistic... ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2017, 05:28:49 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 20, 2017, 03:11:28 PM
tweisman - Our bad picks continued last week as I had Stevenson by 34 and you had them by 23.................and LebVal beat them. They need to strap it up and take Albright and Widener to the woodshed at home these next two weeks. As I didn't see the Stevenson @ LebVal game, what the heck happened??? After a mediocre Franklin & Marshall team beat LebVal 51-0 to open the season, I thought that it was going to be another long season in Annville. It looks like the LebVal game at DelVal in 8 days might be a tight slugfest!!

Week 8 Predictions:

Wilkes - 20 @ FDU - 38     Two winless teams playing out the stretch with no defenses and little to no running games. Women's Hoops can't start soon enough at FDU!!
LebVal - 47 @ Miserables - 20     If you beat Stevenson, my preseason #2 last week..........you should whack Les Miserables with the recent momentum by the team in Annville.

Stevenson - 23  Albright - 20    I thought this game would be for the MAC title in the preseason. Based on Stevenson giving DelVal a much better game, I'm going with the home team by a FG.

Eagles - 24     Redskins - 20     The miracle season continues for the team predicted by the "experts" to finish at 7-9 and last in the NFC East. Thank you Cleveland for Carson Wentz!!
Penn State - 30     Michigan - 20     The white out partying has been in full force since yesterday!!

Simba - Where the heck are you?????

No way...................did this guy really take Stevenson to beat Albright by a field goal AND FDU to beat Wilkes by 18 points??? Check the scores my friends. He's on fire!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 22, 2017, 01:10:09 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 20, 2017, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
I didn't get predictions in yesterday, but suffice it to say, I would have been correct in my guesses on 2 of the 3  ;)

- Some notes -
Lyco played a very good first half yesterday, and honestly, I thought WU was in trouble, but WU came out in the 2nd half and dominated, so my worries were for nothing...
Stevenson - Tweis-  now I know why I had that Icky feeling regarding your placement of Stevenson in your rankings (I'll get to that in a bit)...
Del Val dismantled Kings this week...and I was not surprised...They should be the consensus #1 in the East (barring a slip up), and with Leb Val, Misericordia and WU remaining, I don't see that happening.   I (almost) want to take the (long for me) trip to Doylestown to see them in person against WU...Almost.  Maybe I'll wait until the playoffs...

Now - on to the life lesson...
There comes a time where you just have to let go...

Tweis...it's that time.  It's time to acknowledge that it's not just mistakes and bad luck at inopportune times...but to be sure that is somewhat a factor.  The reality, is that Stevenson isn't as good as they have been in the last couple years.  Losing the talent you had, especially on the defensive side of the ball, is not easily replaced.  Stevenson has went from the team pressuring the opponent into mistakes, to the team making the mistake.  That's not bad luck, that's the cycle of MAC football...
Tweis - those of us in the Lyco, WU, Albright counseling circle are here for you brother...pull up a chair!

Random Sunday note...last night a former WU player said to me out of the blue "hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players...Todd Coolidge(QB), Al Bucci (WR) and Cosmo Iacavazzi at FB/RB.  That team was dominant in the MAC in the late 80s. 
It got me to thinking, maybe we should do an all-time top 25 in the MAC...something to think about...

Bman

I'll admit that I was bullish on this years squad and will give credit to those who pointed this out. I still believe the best reason for most of these defeats were simply to obvious mental errors that shouldn't occur for a reigning championship program that was built the past few seasons on playing off these mistakes from other opponents. Looking ahead, I'm hopeful these mistakes don't continue and the season is finished out strong to make the MAC-Centennial bowl.

Regards to this week's game against Albright, it may seem weird to pick a team with a better resume to lose. My argument is if you look at both teams, Albright is molded similar to Stevenson, both with good defenses and heavier pass attacks. Nearly all of Stevenson's loses resemble opposition that had good line play on both sides of the ball, a good run offense that runs clock, and capitalizes on opportunities given. I'm actually more worried for next week against Widener than this week against Albright as that Widener defense is a takeaway machine. This week's game will be telling if I'm accurate on my assessment or completely off.
Well you were certainly spot on with your picks!

I watched the Albright Stevenson game, so some commentary...Stevenson looked good, although I think when Albright lost their RB Dawson (who at that point had started to run effectively), it really changed the momentum back to Stevenson.  Also, Stevenson ran several swing and screen passes to their left, that Albright no answer for.  In a couple cases there was no one within 15 yards.  Albright's D scheme needed to change and didn't which opened up a lot for Stevenson.   Stevenson also ran the ball much more effectively than I though they would.
All in All, I look forward to see that Stevenson does the rest of the season...some good games coming up.
Unrelated notes.
-  I love the Stevenson broadcast and broadcast team, they do a great job calling the game and the video quality is second to none.  I air play it on to my big screen, and it's like watching a BCS game.   I wish Widener could upgrade their video to that quality...
-  Notes to the broadcast team:  Isaiah Austin is from Sicklerville NJ, however the broadcasters kept calling it Sicklersville...picayune I know, but for us from SJ, it's like a thumb in the kidney.

Also the crew was giving props to the coaches from Timber Creek (a few players in the game are alumni), but I'd be careful there.  The Timber Creek coaches are not very respected in SJ, and in fact, were under fire and potential lawsuits for recruiting kids to play for Timber Creek that weren't eligible.  (you can see one article here: http://highschoolsports.nj.com/news/article/2189179818819085355/prosecutors-office-clears-timber-creek-coaches-in-investigation-but-residency-concerns-turned-over-to-njsiaa/  )   Now, in no way would I expect the crew to know that, but for future reference...

All in all, I will have to think hard on how I would rank Stevenson and Albright in the MAC...much tougher now!



Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 25, 2017, 11:02:05 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 20, 2017, 03:16:08 PM
What happened to Wilkes? My parents are graduates and the first time W&L made the playoffs we got killed by them in the first round. They were big and fast, and choked in the second round. But since then, they can barely sniff .500. A team that wasn't always great, but was usually good for 7 wins and more wins than losses in conference all of a sudden stunk and stayed bad for more than a decade.

You bring up good memories talking about that 2006 playoff game  :) I worked for the program as a student in 2005 and 2006; some of the best times of my life!

I still follow the program and have attended four games (Muhlenberg, LVC, Lyco, and Widener) this season. It's been tough to see the current team line up and be almost completely noncompetitive after the first series or two.

I wish I had more insight on the current state of things, but the best I can offer is that I hope the current administration looks at the picture and works to put the program in a better position to win.

Looking back on the 2005/2006 teams, a few factors stand out. One was attitude: many of the players had excellent talent, but it was the grit, the swagger, and the passion to win in each player that put the program on the national stage. Another was not just in-game coaching, but things like position changes. I could show you a depth chart from those seasons and you'd be shocked how many guys started off playing a much different position, only to transition to the roles that led to our greatest success.

I know that many program alums still follow the team, and perhaps the current Colonels could take a few cues from the best Wilkes teams of seasons past. In 2005 and 2006 we knew nothing would be handed to us: it would take maximum effort to conquer the MAC, and the program was able to do that. Hopefully the Colonels get back to that standard soon!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 25, 2017, 11:08:02 PM
Quote from: bill on October 16, 2017, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: bman on October 15, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
"hey Bman - Cosmo Iacavazzi came up in conversation today"...What a name from the past.  For the younger on this board, Cosmo was part of a Susquehanna team in the late 80's that featured a trio of great players....

Bman - when you wrote Cosmo's name, I immediately thought of his Dad from Princeton! I was acquainted with the family back in NJ...did not know the brother, but met dad several times as his daughter and I ran in the same social circles back in high school...Nice blast from the past.

Cosmo Iacavazzi Sr....one of the great athletes from Scranton! The block of road in front of West Scranton High School was renamed in his honor a few years back. I'd put him right behind Mike Munchak and Gerry McNamara in an all-time list of athletes from Lackawanna County.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 25, 2017, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: bill on September 09, 2017, 09:58:23 PM
Some of us "old timers" are still lurking...but we don't post often!

Ever since my job change, I will lurk on here about one a week...but since I'm not around the program and don't watch the games, I don't feel like I have much to offer!!

Take care everyone - you never know who's lurking....  ;)

Sorry to be late Bill, but congrats on the new job...whatever you are doing! You had a great part to play in all of the athletic successes for the Devils in the last several decades. It's good folks like you that help make for a fulfilling and worthwhile experience for so many D3 student-athletes.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 26, 2017, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 25, 2017, 11:02:05 PM
You bring up good memories talking about that 2006 playoff game  :) I worked for the program as a student in 2005 and 2006; some of the best times of my life!

I still follow the program and have attended four games (Muhlenberg, LVC, Lyco, and Widener) this season. It's been tough to see the current team line up and be almost completely noncompetitive after the first series or two.

I wish I had more insight on the current state of things, but the best I can offer is that I hope the current administration looks at the picture and works to put the program in a better position to win.

Looking back on the 2005/2006 teams, a few factors stand out. One was attitude: many of the players had excellent talent, but it was the grit, the swagger, and the passion to win in each player that put the program on the national stage. Another was not just in-game coaching, but things like position changes. I could show you a depth chart from those seasons and you'd be shocked how many guys started off playing a much different position, only to transition to the roles that led to our greatest success.

I know that many program alums still follow the team, and perhaps the current Colonels could take a few cues from the best Wilkes teams of seasons past. In 2005 and 2006 we knew nothing would be handed to us: it would take maximum effort to conquer the MAC, and the program was able to do that. Hopefully the Colonels get back to that standard soon!

Even though W&L got hammered, I still enjoyed that game. It was W&L's first playoff game, it was the first time they played Wilkes, I flew up from Florida, my Dad picked me up at the airport, and we drove up Friday night. We walked campus together and he showed me what he remembered of the campus and we grabbed a few beers at a dive that was still there from when he was a student. Went to the game the next day and got blown out. Being an option team in a swamp just didn't work out well for us, but even if the field had been pristine we still were going to get hammered. Then stopped at Hot Dog Johnnies on the way back home to NJ before flying out the next day.

I hadn't had Hot Dog Johnnies in years, not since I was a kid and we pulled a trailer to the Poconos for vacations. That Birch Beer brought back some great memories and just spending the time with my Dad made it worthwhile, regardless the score.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 26, 2017, 11:01:20 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 26, 2017, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 25, 2017, 11:02:05 PM
You bring up good memories talking about that 2006 playoff game  :) I worked for the program as a student in 2005 and 2006; some of the best times of my life!

I still follow the program and have attended four games (Muhlenberg, LVC, Lyco, and Widener) this season. It's been tough to see the current team line up and be almost completely noncompetitive after the first series or two.

I wish I had more insight on the current state of things, but the best I can offer is that I hope the current administration looks at the picture and works to put the program in a better position to win.

Looking back on the 2005/2006 teams, a few factors stand out. One was attitude: many of the players had excellent talent, but it was the grit, the swagger, and the passion to win in each player that put the program on the national stage. Another was not just in-game coaching, but things like position changes. I could show you a depth chart from those seasons and you'd be shocked how many guys started off playing a much different position, only to transition to the roles that led to our greatest success.

I know that many program alums still follow the team, and perhaps the current Colonels could take a few cues from the best Wilkes teams of seasons past. In 2005 and 2006 we knew nothing would be handed to us: it would take maximum effort to conquer the MAC, and the program was able to do that. Hopefully the Colonels get back to that standard soon!

Even though W&L got hammered, I still enjoyed that game. It was W&L's first playoff game, it was the first time they played Wilkes, I flew up from Florida, my Dad picked me up at the airport, and we drove up Friday night. We walked campus together and he showed me what he remembered of the campus and we grabbed a few beers at a dive that was still there from when he was a student. Went to the game the next day and got blown out. Being an option team in a swamp just didn't work out well for us, but even if the field had been pristine we still were going to get hammered. Then stopped at Hot Dog Johnnies on the way back home to NJ before flying out the next day.

I hadn't had Hot Dog Johnnies in years, not since I was a kid and we pulled a trailer to the Poconos for vacations. That Birch Beer brought back some great memories and just spending the time with my Dad made it worthwhile, regardless the score.
+K great memories!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 27, 2017, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 20, 2017, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 14, 2017, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 06, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 05, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
tweisman - Some have more of an "inside track" to information, but nobody has the market cornered. When Jason states that Wesley will be in the NJAC, it is an opinion, and they probably will be for several years to come. The NJAC, like many other conferences in the Northeast, will undergo changes over time, it's just a matter of how much change and who it affects.

I happen to know, from very firsthand accounts (feasibility studies, fundraising, etc.) that DeSales, Messiah, Arcadia, Eastern and a few other schools have looked at adding football. Most will not (will not name names here). One will. Two might. That's about it. You may very well see that 12 team MAC and a championship game, but not for several years.

This is my opinion, based on facts as I know them, and how the conference shuffle spins down the road is anybody's guess. If anybody, and I do mean anybody thinks they know......they don't. ;)

Jmcozenlaw:

I'm glad to hear your okay after that accident. I enjoy your insightful posts as it seems you are more informed than people realize. I completely understood that nobody truly knows everything unless they are running point on operations, but I was curious to hear either what others opinions are or maybe some inside rumbles they may have heard. It seems like you definitely are closer to those rumblings than others may believe.

I'm not surprised other institutions have thought about sponsoring football, but I'm intrigued to see who would be next to get this conference to 12 members and finally have a conference championship. I'm curious to see the schedule setup for when it does happen. My hunch would be two divisions of six teams. Each team would play the other 5 divisional opponents, a permanent crossover conference opponent, 2 rotational cross division opponents, and a non conference opponent. The final week (Championship Weekend) would match division #1 vs division #1, division #2 vs. division #2, and etc. I believe the Midwest conference does something similar their final week. This ensures every team plays a 10 game schedule with 9 conference games total.

Below is what I think would be a likely divisional setup as it already would follow the conference setup for other sports:

MAC Commonwealth

  • Stevenson
  • Widener
  • Albright
  • Lycoming
  • Lebanon Valley
  • Alvernia

MAC Freedom

  • Delaware Valley
  • King's
  • FDU Florham
  • Misericordia
  • Wilkes
  • 12th MAC Member

What is everyone's thoughts?

Thanks for the well wishes!! Your 12 team breakdown by division is 100% spot on. Alvernia/Albright are neighbors. Lycoming and LebVal are the "a bit more out west teams" and Widener is the "southern" most team to pair up with Stevenson.

The three NEPA schools (Miserables, King's, Wilkes) are obvious. The one NJ team (FDU) is as well from a geographical standpoint. DelVal is obvious in this division along with either Eastern, DeSales, Arcadia...........and a sleeper who would know that I opened my yap as it is a "secret". Shhhhhh!! :)

Jmcozenlaw

I'm ecstatic to hear that my guess was actually spot on! I'm definitely intrigued now who this sleeper will be. I understand you don't won't to open your mouth who it will be, but are you able to at least mention when we could expect to hear an announcement when this could happen? I'm curious because this would determine how long the conference rolls with 11 teams before we get divisional setups.

Tweisman - Unfortunately, not any time soon. There are a few other things going on behind the scenes with several other programs that could have a larger impact if you read between the lines. Let the conference roulette begin yet again (Begin? Does it really ever end? It just takes a break. The length of the break is the only question).

Quickie for you. Given Leb Val beating Stevenson two weeks ago, I'm anticipating a fairly close game in Doylestown tomorrow. How did Leb Val beat the Mustangs? Fluke, or real?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 27, 2017, 11:48:27 AM
Week 8 Predictions:

King's (Home) - 30     FDU - 23     If King's d-backs run their mouths all game like they did against DelVal, FDU might throw for 500 yards against them. But the lack of any running threat dooms FDU.
Lycosimba (Home) - 40    Miserables - 13     Les Miserables men's hoops team was the unanimous #1 selection in the MAC Freedom. That's all that I have, other than Simba is still MIA ;)
Albright (Home) - 54     Wilkes - 10     Wilkes is awful. The non-game related stuff on Saturday will be much more of a focus than the game.........now that ESPN is involved. Oy vey!

Widenerbman - 20     Stevenson (Home) - 13     Stevenson does very little against a stout Widener defense and Widener has much, much more to play for than the Mustangs.

DelVal (Home) - 27     LebVal - 20     LebVal beat Stevenson and is a big, physical team. The Aggies do just enough to escape and get ready for Widener in two weeks (after Les Mis next week).

Eagles - 20     49'ers - 10     The nasty weather keeps NFL MVP candidate (so beautiful to type) Carson Wentz in check but the Birds get to their predicted 7 wins........ BUT, in just 8 games!

Penn State - 24     Ohio State - 23     Purely wishful thinking as the Vegas line approaches Ohio State -6.5. The Buckeyes can not afford another Oklahoma on their home field. WE ARE.......Swarthmore! ;)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 27, 2017, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 27, 2017, 11:48:27 AM
Week 8 Predictions:

King's (Home) - 30     FDU - 23     If King's d-backs run their mouths all game like they did against DelVal, FDU might throw for 500 yards against them. But the lack of any running threat dooms FDU.
Lycosimba (Home) - 40    Miserables - 13     Les Miserables men's hoops team was the unanimous #1 selection in the MAC Freedom. That's all that I have, other then Simba is still MIA ;)
Albright (Home) - 54     Wilkes - 10     Wilkes is awful. The non-game related stuff on Saturday will be much more of a focus than the game.........now that ESPN is involved. Oy vey!

Widenerbman - 20     Stevenson (Home) - 13     Stevenson does very little against a stout Widener defense and Widener has much, much more to play for than the Mustangs.

DelVal (Home) - 27     LebVal - 20     LebVal beat Stevenson and is a big, physical team. The Aggies do just enough to escape and get ready for Widener in two weeks (after Les Mis next week).

Eagles - 20     49'ers - 10     The nasty weather keeps NFL MVP candidate (so beautiful to type) Carson Wentz in check but the Birds get to their predicted 7 wins........ BUT, in just 8 games!

Penn State - 24     Ohio State - 23     Purely wishful thinking as the Vegas line approaches Ohio State -6.5. The Buckeyes can not afford another Oklahoma on their home field. WE ARE.......Swarthmore! ;)

King's - 38        FDU - 14                 Kings is just a better team...but FDU is better this year than in years past.
Lyco   - 42        Miseracordia - 21     Miseracordia is...well it doesn't matter...  I just hope they get better one day.
Albright - 49     Wilkes - 7                Sorry GMANWU- Albright is annoyed at the outcome at Stevenson and will take it out on your boys...
Stevenson - 21 Widener - 20            Widener has a very good D, but field position and special teams in this one will matter.  Widener has not demonstrated enough O
                                                      to get the pick
DelVal  - 51      LebVal - 24              Leb Val only putting up 17 against Miseracordia is disturbing...and telling
Eagles - 36       49'ers - 14               The Birds can run the ball in this bad weather, which sets up the O to score.
Penn State - 0  Ohio State - 0           I may be the only resident in SE PA that roots against both teams (Bman DESPISES Penn St)...scoreless tie, and PSU covers...  ;D

In a random HCAC game
Manchester(Spartans) 42 - Earlham(Quakers) -17  - hey why not!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2017, 06:17:42 PM
Spartans versus Quakers doesn't sound like a very fair fight. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 27, 2017, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 27, 2017, 06:17:42 PM
Spartans versus Quakers doesn't sound like a very fair fight. :)

Always tough for those conscientious objectors to win in a fight - unless you happen to be Alvin York. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 28, 2017, 09:05:32 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 27, 2017, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 20, 2017, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 14, 2017, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 06, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 05, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
tweisman - Some have more of an "inside track" to information, but nobody has the market cornered. When Jason states that Wesley will be in the NJAC, it is an opinion, and they probably will be for several years to come. The NJAC, like many other conferences in the Northeast, will undergo changes over time, it's just a matter of how much change and who it affects.

I happen to know, from very firsthand accounts (feasibility studies, fundraising, etc.) that DeSales, Messiah, Arcadia, Eastern and a few other schools have looked at adding football. Most will not (will not name names here). One will. Two might. That's about it. You may very well see that 12 team MAC and a championship game, but not for several years.

This is my opinion, based on facts as I know them, and how the conference shuffle spins down the road is anybody's guess. If anybody, and I do mean anybody thinks they know......they don't. ;)

Jmcozenlaw:

I'm glad to hear your okay after that accident. I enjoy your insightful posts as it seems you are more informed than people realize. I completely understood that nobody truly knows everything unless they are running point on operations, but I was curious to hear either what others opinions are or maybe some inside rumbles they may have heard. It seems like you definitely are closer to those rumblings than others may believe.

I'm not surprised other institutions have thought about sponsoring football, but I'm intrigued to see who would be next to get this conference to 12 members and finally have a conference championship. I'm curious to see the schedule setup for when it does happen. My hunch would be two divisions of six teams. Each team would play the other 5 divisional opponents, a permanent crossover conference opponent, 2 rotational cross division opponents, and a non conference opponent. The final week (Championship Weekend) would match division #1 vs division #1, division #2 vs. division #2, and etc. I believe the Midwest conference does something similar their final week. This ensures every team plays a 10 game schedule with 9 conference games total.

Below is what I think would be a likely divisional setup as it already would follow the conference setup for other sports:

MAC Commonwealth

  • Stevenson
  • Widener
  • Albright
  • Lycoming
  • Lebanon Valley
  • Alvernia

MAC Freedom

  • Delaware Valley
  • King's
  • FDU Florham
  • Misericordia
  • Wilkes
  • 12th MAC Member

What is everyone's thoughts?

Thanks for the well wishes!! Your 12 team breakdown by division is 100% spot on. Alvernia/Albright are neighbors. Lycoming and LebVal are the "a bit more out west teams" and Widener is the "southern" most team to pair up with Stevenson.

The three NEPA schools (Miserables, King's, Wilkes) are obvious. The one NJ team (FDU) is as well from a geographical standpoint. DelVal is obvious in this division along with either Eastern, DeSales, Arcadia...........and a sleeper who would know that I opened my yap as it is a "secret". Shhhhhh!! :)

Jmcozenlaw

I'm ecstatic to hear that my guess was actually spot on! I'm definitely intrigued now who this sleeper will be. I understand you don't won't to open your mouth who it will be, but are you able to at least mention when we could expect to hear an announcement when this could happen? I'm curious because this would determine how long the conference rolls with 11 teams before we get divisional setups.

Tweisman - Unfortunately, not any time soon. There are a few other things going on behind the scenes with several other programs that could have a larger impact if you read between the lines. Let the conference roulette begin yet again (Begin? Does it really ever end? It just takes a break. The length of the break is the only question).

Quickie for you. Given Leb Val beating Stevenson two weeks ago, I'm anticipating a fairly close game in Doylestown tomorrow. How did Leb Val beat the Mustangs? Fluke, or real?

Jmcozenlaw

My evaluation was the game was closer to a fluke. This isn't a knock against Leb Val as they are an improved team and have played several contenders close, but if you compare Leb Val's scoring margin against common opponents with Stevenson, the difference show a notable statistical difference. I will say that Leb Val always seems to play Stevenson close each year as they are a physical team that brings it every time. I do agree that they could make things interesting for a while against Del Val, but eventually Del Val will pull away by the middle of the 3rd. The depth of talent Del Val has will be too much of the difference.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 28, 2017, 09:24:08 AM
Below are my week 9 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 9 Predictions

Misericordia @ Lycoming (-23.5): Lycoming wins by 23

FDU @ King's (-12.5): King's wins by 13     

Widener @ Stevenson (-7.5): Stevenson wins by 1

Wilkes @ Albright (-35.5): Albright wins by 35

Leb Val @ #5 Del Val (-29.5): Del Val wins by 24

Week 9 Rankings
1. Del Val (7-0, 6-0)
2. Widener (5-2, 5-1)
3. Stevenson (4-3, 4-2)
4. Albright (5-2, 4-2)
5. Leb Val (4-3, 4-2)
6. Lycoming (3-4, 3-3)
7. King's (3-4, 2-4)
8. FDU (2-5, 1-5)
9. Misericordia (1-6, 1-5)
10. Wilkes (0-7, 0-6)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 3-0 (1.000)
Season: 28-12 (.700)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 28, 2017, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 27, 2017, 11:48:27 AM
Week 8 Predictions:

King's (Home) - 30     FDU - 23     If King's d-backs run their mouths all game like they did against DelVal, FDU might throw for 500 yards against them. But the lack of any running threat dooms FDU.
Lycosimba (Home) - 40    Miserables - 13     Les Miserables men's hoops team was the unanimous #1 selection in the MAC Freedom. That's all that I have, other than Simba is still MIA ;)
Albright (Home) - 54     Wilkes - 10     Wilkes is awful. The non-game related stuff on Saturday will be much more of a focus than the game.........now that ESPN is involved. Oy vey!

Widenerbman - 20     Stevenson (Home) - 13     Stevenson does very little against a stout Widener defense and Widener has much, much more to play for than the Mustangs.

DelVal (Home) - 27     LebVal - 20     LebVal beat Stevenson and is a big, physical team. The Aggies do just enough to escape and get ready for Widener in two weeks (after Les Mis next week).

Eagles - 20     49'ers - 10     The nasty weather keeps NFL MVP candidate (so beautiful to type) Carson Wentz in check but the Birds get to their predicted 7 wins........ BUT, in just 8 games!

Penn State - 24     Ohio State - 23     Purely wishful thinking as the Vegas line approaches Ohio State -6.5. The Buckeyes can not afford another Oklahoma on their home field. WE ARE.......Swarthmore! ;)

tweisman takes his Mustangs (he's like me in never picking against my beloved Eagles)

bman goes against his Pride

and...................................................

JM delivers the correct side, but would like to apologize for missing the Stevenson score by a point (while nailing the Widener score)

Two weeks from now in bucolic Doylestown..............the MAC's Irresistible Force meets the Immovable Object and one side has payback in mind for last year's shellacking!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 28, 2017, 09:00:41 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 28, 2017, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 27, 2017, 11:48:27 AM
Week 8 Predictions:

King's (Home) - 30     FDU - 23     If King's d-backs run their mouths all game like they did against DelVal, FDU might throw for 500 yards against them. But the lack of any running threat dooms FDU.
Lycosimba (Home) - 40    Miserables - 13     Les Miserables men's hoops team was the unanimous #1 selection in the MAC Freedom. That's all that I have, other than Simba is still MIA ;)
Albright (Home) - 54     Wilkes - 10     Wilkes is awful. The non-game related stuff on Saturday will be much more of a focus than the game.........now that ESPN is involved. Oy vey!

Widenerbman - 20     Stevenson (Home) - 13     Stevenson does very little against a stout Widener defense and Widener has much, much more to play for than the Mustangs.

DelVal (Home) - 27     LebVal - 20     LebVal beat Stevenson and is a big, physical team. The Aggies do just enough to escape and get ready for Widener in two weeks (after Les Mis next week).

Eagles - 20     49'ers - 10     The nasty weather keeps NFL MVP candidate (so beautiful to type) Carson Wentz in check but the Birds get to their predicted 7 wins........ BUT, in just 8 games!

Penn State - 24     Ohio State - 23     Purely wishful thinking as the Vegas line approaches Ohio State -6.5. The Buckeyes can not afford another Oklahoma on their home field. WE ARE.......Swarthmore! ;)

tweisman takes his Mustangs (he's like me in never picking against my beloved Eagles)

bman goes against his Pride

and...................................................

JM delivers the correct side, but would like to apologize for missing the Stevenson score by a point (while nailing the Widener score)

Two weeks from now in bucolic Doylestown..............the MAC's Irresistible Force meets the Immovable Object and one side has payback in mind for last year's shellacking!!

It's always tough to pick against your alma mater, especially when they are capable and "technically" favored to win. Anyways, I felt this game was more dangerous than Albright. It proved my fear correct. Regardless, it was a heartbreaking loss when my Mustangs had the ball inside Widener's 5 and four downs to score with less than 1:30 remaining in the fourth.

I'm looking ahead now and have identified what Stevenson needs to qualify for a bowl game. The final bowl spot (3rd place) is a tight race with Albright, Stevenson, Leb Val, and Lycoming. I'm curious what the MAC tie breaking procedures are if 3 or more teams find themselves in this situation. I found the link, but not sure if my interpretation is correct. Anyone want to give it a shot to clearly explain. Here is the link below:

http://gomacsports.com/custompages/FactBooks/Tie-Breaking%20Procedure.pdf

Again, congratulations to a tough Widener program today. These final few weeks will be intense!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 30, 2017, 01:44:55 PM
I decided it would be interesting to compile a season resume for each team within the conference to better compare how each team fairs against their peers. I'll try to update these each week and I'll start with the bottom team working my way up. I'll post about three team resumes each day starting on Monday. Now onto the team resumes!

Week 10 Resume

Team: Wilkes

Overall Record: 0-8

Conference Record (Current): 0-7 (10th)

Versus D3 Comp. Top 25: 0-1

Versus > .500: 0-6

Versus < .500: 0-2

Average SM against > .500: -25.33

Average SM against < .500: -23.5

NCAA SOS (rank): .498 (132nd)

Best Win (W-L): None

Worst Loss (W-L): Misericordia (1-7)

Largest MOV (W-L): None

Largest MOD (W-L): 43 points, Muhlenburg (5-3)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 30, 2017, 01:55:15 PM
I decided it would be interesting to compile a season resume for each team within the conference to better compare how each team fairs against their peers. I'll try to update these each week and I'll start with the bottom team working my way up. I'll post about three team resumes each day starting on Monday. Now onto the team resumes!

Week 10 Resume

Team: Misericordia

Overall Record: 1-7

Conference Record (Current): 1-6 (9th)

Versus D3 Comp. Top 25: 0-0

Versus > .500: 0-6

Versus < .500: 1-1

Average SM against > .500: -27.5

Average SM against < .500: +4

NCAA SOS (rank): .461 (190th)

Best Win (W-L): Wilkes (0-8)

Worst Loss (W-L): Merchant Marine (3-4)

Largest MOV (W-L): 29 points, Wilkes (0-8)

Largest MOD (W-L): 58 points, Stevenson (4-4)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 30, 2017, 02:05:36 PM
I decided it would be interesting to compile a season resume for each team within the conference to better compare how each team fairs against their peers. I'll try to update these each week and I'll start with the bottom team working my way up. I'll post about three team resumes each day starting on Monday. Now onto the team resumes!

Week 10 Resume

Team: FDU-Florham

Overall Record: 2-6

Conference Record (Current): 1-6 (8th)

Versus D3 Comp. Top 25: 0-1

Versus > .500: 0-6

Versus < .500: 2-0

Average SM against > .500: -28.83

Average SM against < .500: +16

NCAA SOS (rank): .476 (167th)

Best Win (W-L): New Jersey (2-6)

Worst Loss (W-L): King's (4-4)

Largest MOV (W-L): 18 points, Wilkes (0-8)

Largest MOD (W-L): 53 points, Del Val (8-0)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 31, 2017, 03:11:07 PM
I decided it would be interesting to compile a season resume for each team within the conference to better compare how each team fairs against their peers. I'll try to update these each week and I'll start with the bottom team working my way up. I'll post about three team resumes each day starting on Monday. Now onto the team resumes!

Week 10 Resume

Team: King's PA

Overall Record: 4-4

Conference Record (Current): 3-4 (7th)

Versus D3 Comp. Top 25: 0-1

Versus > .500: 1-4

Versus < .500: 3-0

Average SM against > .500: -13

Average SM against < .500: +7.33

NCAA SOS (rank): .484 (157th)

Best Win (W-L): Leb Val (4-4)

Worst Loss (W-L): Lycoming (4-4)

Largest MOV (W-L): 26 points, Misericordia (1-7)

Largest MOD (W-L): 35 points, Del Val (8-0)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 31, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
I decided it would be interesting to compile a season resume for each team within the conference to better compare how each team fairs against their peers. I'll try to update these each week and I'll start with the bottom team working my way up. I'll post about three team resumes each day starting on Monday. Now onto the team resumes!

Week 10 Resume

Team: Lycoming

Overall Record: 4-4

Conference Record (Current): 4-3 (6th)

Versus D3 Comp. Top 25: 0-1

Versus > .500: 1-4

Versus < .500: 3-0

Average SM against > .500: -9.4

Average SM against < .500: +24

NCAA SOS (rank): .498 (131st)

Best Win (W-L): King's (4-4)

Worst Loss (W-L): Widener (6-2)

Largest MOV (W-L): 27 points, FDU (2-6)

Largest MOD (W-L): 31 points, Del Val (8-0)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 31, 2017, 03:33:48 PM
I decided it would be interesting to compile a season resume for each team within the conference to better compare how each team fairs against their peers. I'll try to update these each week and I'll start with the bottom team working my way up. I'll post about three team resumes each day starting on Monday. Now onto the team resumes!

Week 10 Resume

Team: Lebanon Valley

Overall Record: 4-4

Conference Record (Current): 4-3 (5th)

Versus D3 Comp. Top 25: 0-2

Versus > .500: 1-4

Versus < .500: 3-0

Average SM against > .500: -16.4

Average SM against < .500: +21

NCAA SOS (rank): .497 (133rd)

Best Win (W-L): Stevenson (4-4)

Worst Loss (W-L): King's (4-4)

Largest MOV (W-L): 36 points, Wilkes (0-8)

Largest MOD (W-L): 41 points, Franklin & Marshall (7-1)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2017, 03:10:37 PM
Regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/first-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 02, 2017, 05:55:33 PM
I decided it would be interesting to compile a season resume for each team within the conference to better compare how each team fairs against their peers. I'll try to update these each week and I'll start with the bottom team working my way up. I'll post about three team resumes each day starting on Monday. Now onto the team resumes!

Week 10 Resume

Team: Stevenson

Overall Record: 4-4

Conference Record (Current): 4-3 (4th)

Versus D3 Comp. Top 25: 0-2

Versus > .500: 2-4

Versus < .500: 2-0

Average SM against > .500: -4.5

Average SM against < .500: +48

NCAA SOS (rank): .563 (29th)

Best Win (W-L): Albright (6-2)

Worst Loss (W-L): Leb Val (4-4)

Largest MOV (W-L): 58 points, Misericordia (1-7)

Largest MOD (W-L): 26 points, Frostburg St (7-1)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 02, 2017, 06:05:55 PM
I decided it would be interesting to compile a season resume for each team within the conference to better compare how each team fairs against their peers. I'll try to update these each week and I'll start with the bottom team working my way up. I'll post about three team resumes each day starting on Monday. Now onto the team resumes!

Week 10 Resume

Team: Albright

Overall Record: 6-2

Conference Record (Current): 5-2 (3rd)

Versus D3 Comp. Top 25: 1-1

Versus > .500: 4-2

Versus < .500: 2-0

Average SM against > .500: -4.33

Average SM against < .500: +18

NCAA SOS (rank): .542 (53rd)

Best Win (W-L): Salisbury (7-1)

Worst Loss (W-L): Stevenson (4-4)

Largest MOV (W-L): 33 points, Misericordia (1-7)

Largest MOD (W-L): 35 points, Del Val (8-0)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 02, 2017, 06:20:26 PM
I decided it would be interesting to compile a season resume for each team within the conference to better compare how each team fairs against their peers. I'll try to update these each week and I'll start with the bottom team working my way up. I'll post about three team resumes each day starting on Monday. Now onto the team resumes!

Week 10 Resume

Team: Widener

Overall Record: 6-2

Conference Record (Current): 6-1 (2nd)

Versus D3 Comp. Top 25: 0-0

Versus > .500: 3-1

Versus < .500: 3-1

Average SM against > .500: +6.5

Average SM against < .500: +18

NCAA SOS (rank): .433 (218th)

Best Win (W-L): Stevenson (4-4)

Worst Loss (W-L): Rowan (3-5)

Largest MOV (W-L): 42 points, FDU (2-6)

Largest MOD (W-L): 6 points, Rowan (3-5)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 02, 2017, 06:34:01 PM
I decided it would be interesting to compile a season resume for each team within the conference to better compare how each team fairs against their peers. I'll try to update these each week and I'll start with the bottom team working my way up. I'll post about three team resumes each day starting on Monday. Now onto the team resumes!

Week 10 Resume

Team: Delaware Valley

Overall Record: 8-0

Conference Record (Current): 7-0 (1st)

Versus D3 Comp. Top 25: 1-0

Versus > .500: 6-0

Versus < .500: 2-0

Average SM against > .500: +26.83

Average SM against < .500: +36.5

NCAA SOS (rank): .539 (58th)

Best Win (W-L): Wesley (7-1)

Worst Loss (W-L): None

Largest MOV (W-L): 53 points, FDU (2-6)

Largest MOD (W-L): None
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2017, 10:44:23 AM
Week Nine Predictions:

Albright - 40     FDU (Home) - 20      Last week's narrow victory against a winless and hapless Wilkes squad shows that Albright is in a funk. The funk clears against a team with no running game and very little defense
LebVal (Home) - 27    Lycosimba - 23     Which LebVal team shows up? The team that beat Stevenson or the team with 10 yards in the first half against DelVal? I believe the former.
Stevenson - 48     Wilkes (Home) - 13     Stevenson takes it's frustration out on winless Wilkes. I still can't believe what I saw last week with four shots from the 2 against Widener. Mind boggling!

Widenerbman (Home) - 41     King's - 13     Widenerbman will destroy King's similar to how DelVal did a couple of weeks ago........setting up next week's showdown, with massive revenge for last year!

DelVal - 37     Les Miserables (Home) - 13     This is over at the half. DelVal plays it's 2nd and 3rd teams and Les Miz scores two meaningless TD's.

Other:
Eagles - 20     Broncos - 17     Is this the game that losing the best LT (Peters) over the past decade gets the Eagles? Possibly.........but that's why they play the game. The Broncos are the desperate team.

- Lycosimba is still MIA
- Ben Simmons over Lonzo Ball. Not close. All day every day.

- News of a 12th MAC football team may be coming as early as the Spring, possibly the Fall..........................if not by this time next year, it may not happen for quite some time!

 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 03, 2017, 04:17:02 PM
Below are my week 10 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 10 Predictions

Albright (-14.5) @ FDU: Albright wins by 17

Stevenson (-25.5) @ Wilkes: Stevenson wins by 27

#5 Del Val (-42.5) @ Misericordia: Del Val wins by 45 

Lycoming @ Leb Val (-2.5): Lycoming wins by 1

King's @ Widener (-10.5): Widener wins by 13   

Week 10 Rankings
1. Del Val (8-0, 7-0)
2. Widener (6-2, 6-1)
3. Stevenson (4-4, 4-3)
4. Albright (6-2, 5-2)
5. Leb Val (4-4, 4-3)
6. Lycoming (4-4, 4-3)
7. King's (4-4, 3-4)
8. FDU (2-6, 1-6)
9. Misericordia (1-7, 1-6)
10. Wilkes (0-8, 0-7)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 32-13 (.711)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2017, 10:08:38 AM
TWeis
Great analysis!  +k
I will say that I found it somewhat ironic (and telling), that Albrights worst loss was Stevenson, and that Wideners best win was Stevenson...that says a lot obout who Widener has beaten so far this year (excluding Stevenson)...

My predictions (format stolen from your post)...

Week 10 Predictions

Albright (-14.5) @ FDU: Albright wins by 28

Stevenson (-25.5) @ Wilkes: Stevenson wins by 35

#5 Del Val (-42.5) @ Misericordia: Del Val wins by 35 (they show mercy) 

Lycoming @ Leb Val (-2.5): Leb Val by 10

King's @ Widener (-10.5): Widener by 7

Eagles 35  Denver 17

And Random game of the week

Centre (-14) @ Sewanee    Centre by 21

 

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 04, 2017, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2017, 10:44:23 AM
- Ben Simmons over Lonzo Ball. Not close. All day every day.



I think every team will focus on making Lonzo's NBA life harder because of his despicable father
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 05, 2017, 09:30:36 AM
Quote from: bman on November 04, 2017, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2017, 10:44:23 AM
- Ben Simmons over Lonzo Ball. Not close. All day every day.



I think every team will focus on making Lonzo's NBA life harder because of his despicable father

I don't think his father is despicable, but I do think due to their family marketing strategy, other players are determined to shut him down. He has basically marketed his sons into stardom regardless if they make it to be in the Hall of Fame of basketball. One thing I know, he has invested so much into them. I do believe its a point where you have to allow you son's to become men and you just need to sit back and appreciate what you have done as a father in the background.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 10, 2017, 09:31:24 PM
Below are my week 11 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 11 Predictions

Wilkes @ King's (-16.5): King's wins by 14

Leb Val @ Albright (-6.5): Albright wins by 4

Lycoming @ Stevenson (-7.5): Stevenson wins by 10   

Widener @ #5 Del Val (-23.5): Del Val wins by 20

Misericordia @ FDU (-7.5): FDU wins by 9

Week 11 Rankings
1. Del Val (9-0, 8-0)
2. Widener (7-2, 7-1)
3. Stevenson (5-4, 5-3)
4. Albright (7-2, 6-2)
5. Leb Val (5-4, 5-3)
6. Lycoming (4-5, 4-4)
7. King's (4-5, 3-5)
8. FDU (2-7, 1-7)
9. Misericordia (1-8, 1-7)
10. Wilkes (0-9, 0-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 36-14 (.720)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2017, 08:07:53 AM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on November 05, 2017, 09:30:36 AM
Quote from: bman on November 04, 2017, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2017, 10:44:23 AM
- Ben Simmons over Lonzo Ball. Not close. All day every day.



I think every team will focus on making Lonzo's NBA life harder because of his despicable father

I don't think his father is despicable, but I do think due to their family marketing strategy, other players are determined to shut him down. He has basically marketed his sons into stardom regardless if they make it to be in the Hall of Fame of basketball. One thing I know, he has invested so much into them. I do believe its a point where you have to allow you son's to become men and you just need to sit back and appreciate what you have done as a father in the background.

It is not a "family marketing strategy"........it is a "LaVar Ball marketing strategy"............and now LaVar might just have somebody "on the inside" (get it?) in China for the next decade. I hope that it wasn't done to give that dreadful reality show some much needed juice before it's inevitable death!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2017, 08:09:45 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 10, 2017, 09:31:24 PM
Below are my week 11 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 11 Predictions

Wilkes @ King's (-16.5): King's wins by 14

Leb Val @ Albright (-6.5): Albright wins by 4

Lycoming @ Stevenson (-7.5): Stevenson wins by 10   

Widener @ #5 Del Val (-23.5): Del Val wins by 20

Misericordia @ FDU (-7.5): FDU wins by 9

Week 11 Rankings
1. Del Val (9-0, 8-0)
2. Widener (7-2, 7-1)
3. Stevenson (5-4, 5-3)
4. Albright (7-2, 6-2)
5. Leb Val (5-4, 5-3)
6. Lycoming (4-5, 4-4)
7. King's (4-5, 3-5)
8. FDU (2-7, 1-7)
9. Misericordia (1-8, 1-7)
10. Wilkes (0-9, 0-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 36-14 (.720)

That Massey Ratings Spread on the Widener vs. DelVal game might just be the most insane number that I have seen in years!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2017, 08:45:46 AM
It's amazing that the regular season ends today as it feels like we just got started (easy to say from a keyboard without my body getting banged up since mid-August :) )

I've always been a "the MAC Championship is what counts the most............the playoffs are just gravy", especially in a conference like the MAC where any of four teams (DelVal, Albright, Stevenson and Widener) could have won it...............and nobody is beating UMHB or Mount Union in all likelihood, other than UMHB or Mount Union. With that being said and with wrestling underway in Doylestown and basketball starting on Wednesday, here are the................

Week 11 Predictions:

FDU (Home) - 34     Les Miserables - 20     Yick!! The FDU Women's Hoops team and the Miserables Men's Hoops team are favored to win the MAC. I've got nothing else.
King's (Home) - 30     Wilkes - 26     King's inaugural hockey season just got underway.......Wilkes was delayed until 2018-2019. I've really got nothing else about this one. Blech!!
Stevenson (Home) - 45     Lycosimba - 16     My preseason #2 wraps up a disappointing season by whacking Lycosimba, and putting him deeper into hiding. :)
Albright (Home) - 37     LebVal - 23     My preseason #1 wraps up an equally disappointing and disjointed season by beating LebVal........and hopes to not lose any recruits to neighbor, Alvernia, given the recent, ummmmm, press shall we say. I hope that Alvernia has success with some of the Albright targets.

THE HEAVYWEIGHT BATTLE: THE IMMOVABLE OBJECT VS. THE IMMOVABLE FORCE
DelVal (Home) - 13     Widenerbman - 10     Two excellent defenses, in cold weather for the first time all year, with one playing for an undefeated season and the other playing for pride and for revenge for last year's drubbing in front of the home fans. I don't think either team has success running the ball on the other and the weather impacts the pass game given the open stadium and wacky winds that whip through. Many of these kids know each other on both sides of the ball................and unlike the players from King's, Lycosimba, Albright and LebVal before their game against DelVal, there has been zero social media "smack talk" whatsoever (coaches of the four teams mentioned in the sentence above, lay down the law next year, talk about the consequences AND monitor the accounts. NEVER poke the bear........because he might just eat you!!) :)

Eagles - 48     Bye Week - 0     Eagles defense shuts down another opponent...............but Skip Bayless (Cowboys lap dog) will still call them "average"!! Hey Skip, the Cowboys have already lost three games WITH Zeke. The Eagles have lost just one WITHOUT their best punt returner/kick returner/flex back/blocking RB (Sproles), best CB (Darby), special teams stud (Maragos), borderline All-Pro MLB (Hicks) and Hall or Fame LT (Peters). Child, please!!! ;)

China - Infinity     Big Baller Brand - Really? :)

Lycosimba - Wherever you are, we still love you. Just don't "appear" out of nowhere next year when Lyco gets out to a 4-0 start and talk about how you were travelling the world without access to the internet the past two years. ;) We still love 'ya!!

Kate - Check in. Are you travelling the world with Lycosimba? ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 11, 2017, 11:23:11 AM
Hi JM - nope, i'm home about to start lunch so I can follow today's game on here!   GO AGGIES!!!   Really looking forward to the first home game for the lady Aggies on Nov. 21 against Rosemont.   How great would it be for our Aggies to win today and start beating teams in the NCAA's?!?   Hoping for good things for the Men's and Women's basketball teams, too of course!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 18, 2017, 09:13:22 AM
Below are my week 12 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 12 Predictions

Susquehanna (-0.5) @ Albright: Albright wins by 1 

Widener @ Franklin & Marshall (-11.5): Franklin & Marshall wins by 7 

Western New England @ #5 Del Val (-22.5): Del Val wins by 24

Alfred (-5.5) vs. Stevenson: Alfred wins by 3 

Week 12 Rankings
1. Del Val (10-0, 9-0)
2. Albright (8-2, 7-2)
3. Widener (7-3, 7-2)
4. Stevenson (6-4, 6-3)
5. Leb Val (5-5, 5-4)
6. Lycoming (4-6, 4-5)
7. King's (5-5, 4-5)
8. FDU (3-7, 2-7)
9. Misericordia (1-9, 1-8)
10. Wilkes (0-10, 0-9)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 5-0 (1.000)
Season: 41-14 (.745)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2017, 11:13:46 AM
From Kate's pre-DelVal vs. Widener titanic battle until an hour ago with tweisman's weekly predictions........squatta!! This board really does go from just-about-dead to comatose really quickly.

A few quick observations from me until I jump out myself until mid-August, as to me, it's all about winning your conference, not the NCAA Playoffs:

- Lycosimba - My guess is that you've been silently lurking all year, waiting for an opportune time to jump in (a good Lyco winning streak) but never had the chance. We still love you anyway!

- Widenerbman - After falling behind 13-6 and losing, by far and away, their best and only non-QB running threat, had you told me that the Aggies would shut out the Pride for the final three quarters AND score 41 unanswered points.............I would not have believed you in 1,000,000 years. I was stunned that such an average offensive line had their way with such a physical and excellent defense. Widener knew the Aggies weren't throwing the ball........and couldn't stop it. I'm still mind blown a week later.

- wesleydad - I told you a couple of days after the DelVal vs. Wesley game that the injury to Falkenberg was the absolute best thing that ever happened to Wesley (I think you saw it the opposite way) and that Wesley would get to the National Semifinals. It is all set up for Wesley as Brockport's QB is banged up and no team not named Mount Union and UMHB could beat Wesley three times in less than 15 months. That would be the insurmountable task for DelVal. Wesley's path to the semifinals was laid out when the first two D3 Football bracket predictions were incorrect and the second round matchup with Mount Union evaporated. That bracket was literally the difference between Wesley winning one game and being out..............and now winning three games before likely (but not definitely given that lineup) being out. The collective sigh down in Dover was heard all throughout the land. :)

I hope that everybody (I guess at this point, I'm talking to you tweisman) has a wonderful and blessed holiday season and a great and healthy 2018. I'll see you guys and gals in August!!

JM.........out :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 19, 2017, 10:35:05 PM
Just back from Newark, Delaware where the Saxons capped off another good season (8-3) with a 29-16 win over Stevenson from the MAC. Was good to see AU QB Bryce Morrison back in good form. Was also great to see senior RB Maleke Fuentes go out on a high note as MVP of the James Lynah Bowl,  rushing for 119 yards and a score. With the performance, Fuentes stands with 2,446 yards rushing in his career - ranking ninth in career rushing yards in AU history.

Also finishing an outstanding career with a W was senior linebacker/captain 2016 Gagliardi Trophy finalist A.J. LiCata, who closed his career as the all-time lead tackler in AU history with 412 total tackles over his four seasons.

Congrats to Mustangs on another winning season. Stevenson has a solid program and great fans. Pep, listening in to the interview of Coach Ed Hottle, overheard a young man next to Pep yell out, "Hey, Dad!" Pep addressed the young man, "So that's your dad? He seems like a good man!" The lad replied, "He's above average."

Pep is glad to have made the trip....spent a couple days with Pep Jr. in Falls Church, VA and Pep's 8-month-old grandson, #ATrain. Pep's grandson is also above average.  ;)

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 20, 2017, 02:49:05 PM
Super good luck to our Aggies this Saturday at noon in the second round of the NCAA's!   Really don't know too much about Husson, but they did beat ranked Springfield in the first round, so they're tough i'm sure!   Proud of you Aggies!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 21, 2017, 10:37:14 AM
Quote from: kate on November 20, 2017, 02:49:05 PM
Super good luck to our Aggies this Saturday at noon in the second round of the NCAA's!   Really don't know too much about Husson, but they did beat ranked Springfield in the first round, so they're tough i'm sure!   Proud of you Aggies!!!

Husson has an RB that simply won't ****ing quit. Guy just makes things happen, at times, when it looks like nothing is even remotely possible. QB is also poised and the offense can certainly generate some points (at least they did against the competition they faced this season. The D was HUGE against the Pride's prolific run offense however looking at this game dlip is thinking that Springfield may have been a bit overrated this season. To dlip Husson is certainly a very quality team but not really one that would defeat the 19th ranked team on the road in the first round of the NCAA's.

With that being said dlip feels Husson has not been exposed to anyone on the level of Del Val. If Del Val plays their game they should win this one by at least 10 points. Husson has a lot to be proud of and dlip is certainly proud of them. He just feels this will be the end of their excellent season.

Best of luck to both teams and let's hope for an injury free game!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 21, 2017, 10:39:55 AM
dlip
I couldnt have said it better.
Husson has played admirably and deserves the kudos and accolades but me thinks this is the end of the road as they will face a caliber of team they just havent faced yet.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 21, 2017, 12:33:30 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2017, 11:13:46 AM
From Kate's pre-DelVal vs. Widener titanic battle until an hour ago with tweisman's weekly predictions........squatta!! This board really does go from just-about-dead to comatose really quickly.

A few quick observations from me until I jump out myself until mid-August, as to me, it's all about winning your conference, not the NCAA Playoffs:

- Lycosimba - My guess is that you've been silently lurking all year, waiting for an opportune time to jump in (a good Lyco winning streak) but never had the chance. We still love you anyway!

- Widenerbman - After falling behind 13-6 and losing, by far and away, their best and only non-QB running threat, had you told me that the Aggies would shut out the Pride for the final three quarters AND score 41 unanswered points.............I would not have believed you in 1,000,000 years. I was stunned that such an average offensive line had their way with such a physical and excellent defense. Widener knew the Aggies weren't throwing the ball........and couldn't stop it. I'm still mind blown a week later.

- wesleydad - I told you a couple of days after the DelVal vs. Wesley game that the injury to Falkenberg was the absolute best thing that ever happened to Wesley (I think you saw it the opposite way) and that Wesley would get to the National Semifinals. It is all set up for Wesley as Brockport's QB is banged up and no team not named Mount Union and UMHB could beat Wesley three times in less than 15 months. That would be the insurmountable task for DelVal. Wesley's path to the semifinals was laid out when the first two D3 Football bracket predictions were incorrect and the second round matchup with Mount Union evaporated. That bracket was literally the difference between Wesley winning one game and being out..............and now winning three games before likely (but not definitely given that lineup) being out. The collective sigh down in Dover was heard all throughout the land. :)

I hope that everybody (I guess at this point, I'm talking to you tweisman) has a wonderful and blessed holiday season and a great and healthy 2018. I'll see you guys and gals in August!!

JM.........out :)

Thank you AUPepband, dlip and fisheralum91 (and of course Kate)....................you non-MAC posters saved the board during the middle of 'Taps'........as even stalwarts like bmanwidener and tweisman closed up shop extra early this year. Thanks again! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 21, 2017, 01:03:53 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 21, 2017, 12:33:30 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2017, 11:13:46 AM
From Kate's pre-DelVal vs. Widener titanic battle until an hour ago with tweisman's weekly predictions........squatta!! This board really does go from just-about-dead to comatose really quickly.

A few quick observations from me until I jump out myself until mid-August, as to me, it's all about winning your conference, not the NCAA Playoffs:

- Lycosimba - My guess is that you've been silently lurking all year, waiting for an opportune time to jump in (a good Lyco winning streak) but never had the chance. We still love you anyway!

- Widenerbman - After falling behind 13-6 and losing, by far and away, their best and only non-QB running threat, had you told me that the Aggies would shut out the Pride for the final three quarters AND score 41 unanswered points.............I would not have believed you in 1,000,000 years. I was stunned that such an average offensive line had their way with such a physical and excellent defense. Widener knew the Aggies weren't throwing the ball........and couldn't stop it. I'm still mind blown a week later.

- wesleydad - I told you a couple of days after the DelVal vs. Wesley game that the injury to Falkenberg was the absolute best thing that ever happened to Wesley (I think you saw it the opposite way) and that Wesley would get to the National Semifinals. It is all set up for Wesley as Brockport's QB is banged up and no team not named Mount Union and UMHB could beat Wesley three times in less than 15 months. That would be the insurmountable task for DelVal. Wesley's path to the semifinals was laid out when the first two D3 Football bracket predictions were incorrect and the second round matchup with Mount Union evaporated. That bracket was literally the difference between Wesley winning one game and being out..............and now winning three games before likely (but not definitely given that lineup) being out. The collective sigh down in Dover was heard all throughout the land. :)

I hope that everybody (I guess at this point, I'm talking to you tweisman) has a wonderful and blessed holiday season and a great and healthy 2018. I'll see you guys and gals in August!!

JM.........out :)

Thank you AUPepband, dlip and fisheralum91 (and of course Kate)....................you non-MAC posters saved the board during the middle of 'Taps'........as even stalwarts like bmanwidener and tweisman closed up shop extra early this year. Thanks again! :)
Gotta stop the crickets somehow!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Boxer7806 on November 21, 2017, 04:34:54 PM
I would love nothing more to see than Husson pull this game out. I just have to agree with the others that Husson hasn't seen anything close to this caliber of team they are going to see Saturday. I think the John Smith kid is an absolute stud, and I'm going to watch at least a couple Husson drives just to see him play against elite competition, because as DLIP says, the kid doesn't quit and makes something out of nothing more often than not.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 21, 2017, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 21, 2017, 04:34:54 PM
I just have to agree with the others that Husson hasn't seen anything close to this caliber of team they are going to see Saturday.

At least since Wesley in 2011. ;)

-Ski
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on November 21, 2017, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: Boxer7806 on November 21, 2017, 04:34:54 PM
I would love nothing more to see than Husson pull this game out. I just have to agree with the others that Husson hasn't seen anything close to this caliber of team they are going to see Saturday. I think the John Smith kid is an absolute stud, and I'm going to watch at least a couple Husson drives just to see him play against elite competition, because as DLIP says, the kid doesn't quit and makes something out of nothing more often than not.

Alfred's all-time leading tackler A.J. LiCata, who played against Husson three consecutive years, told Pep that the Eagles' John Smith is the toughest running back he had faced. And LiCata has tackled some good ones....

Pep has always had respect for Husson because of Head Coach Gabby Price. He's an outstanding coach and a class act. While the Eagles are in an extremely weak conference at present, Pep believes they may surprise some DelVal fans....they are a tough out. AU beat the Eagles 35-28 at home the day Julio Fuentes walked off the field, which elevated the Saxons to their best season ever (12-1) in their long football history, which began in 1895.

Husson won't go away without making some noise. Pep won't go as far as to predict a Husson win, but the Eagles are not to be taken lightly.

On Saxon Warriors!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 21, 2017, 06:29:39 PM
We'll also have to see how much Devauntay and Marquis Ellis play (no relation). The top running back and receiver are both banged up, which changes what Del Val can do on offense.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 25, 2017, 09:35:45 AM
Below are my week 13 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 13 Predictions

Husson @ #4 Del Val (-21.5): Del Val wins by 17 

Week 13 Rankings
1. Del Val (11-0, 9-0)
2. Albright (8-3, 7-2)
3. Widener (7-4, 7-2)
4. Stevenson (6-5, 6-3)
5. Leb Val (5-5, 5-4)
6. Lycoming (4-6, 4-5)
7. King's (5-5, 4-5)
8. FDU (3-7, 2-7)
9. Misericordia (1-9, 1-8)
10. Wilkes (0-10, 0-9)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 1-3 (.250)
Season: 42-17 (.712)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on November 25, 2017, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 25, 2017, 09:35:45 AM
Below are my week 13 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 13 Predictions

Husson @ #4 Del Val (-21.5): Del Val wins by 17 

Week 13 Rankings
1. Del Val (11-0, 9-0)
2. Albright (8-3, 7-2)
3. Widener (7-4, 7-2)
4. Stevenson (6-5, 6-3)
5. Leb Val (5-5, 5-4)
6. Lycoming (4-6, 4-5)
7. King's (5-5, 4-5)
8. FDU (3-7, 2-7)
9. Misericordia (1-9, 1-8)
10. Wilkes (0-10, 0-9)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 1-3 (.250)
Season: 42-17 (.712)
Nice Tweis!
I thought this one would be closer...
This shapes up to be a great battle next week.   I may have to take a run up to Doylestown...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 29, 2017, 08:18:10 AM
Can't say GO Green and Gold for this one, cause I think that they're Brockport's colors, too, but GO AGGIES!!!!  You're a Great Team and that, plus the home town crowd will propel you to Victory!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 29, 2017, 09:38:11 AM
Quote from: kate on November 29, 2017, 08:18:10 AM
Can't say GO Green and Gold for this one, cause I think that they're Brockport's colors, too, but GO AGGIES!!!!  You're a Great Team and that, plus the home town crowd will propel you to Victory!!!

As Lee Corso says "Not so fast my friend"

This one has all the makings for a dandy but I think Brockport wins!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on November 29, 2017, 10:28:48 AM
Enjoyed speaking with SR LB Nick Wright of DelVal yesterday. Here's the clip of our interview:

https://www.facebook.com/D3Huddle/videos/1492816944150779/

As an aside, I realized after the fact I misspoke re the last Final Four team from the East. That distinction goes to SJF in 06, not RPI in 03.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 29, 2017, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 29, 2017, 10:28:48 AM
Enjoyed speaking with SR LB Nick Wright of DelVal yesterday. Here's the clip of our interview:

https://www.facebook.com/D3Huddle/videos/1492816944150779/

As an aside, I realized after the fact I misspoke re the last Final Four team from the East. That distinction goes to SJF in 06, not RPI in 03.
+k for the acknowledgement!
and the journalistic integrity!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 29, 2017, 02:39:46 PM
Quote from: bman on November 25, 2017, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 25, 2017, 09:35:45 AM
Below are my week 13 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 13 Predictions

Husson @ #4 Del Val (-21.5): Del Val wins by 17 

Week 13 Rankings
1. Del Val (11-0, 9-0)
2. Albright (8-3, 7-2)
3. Widener (7-4, 7-2)
4. Stevenson (6-5, 6-3)
5. Leb Val (5-5, 5-4)
6. Lycoming (4-6, 4-5)
7. King's (5-5, 4-5)
8. FDU (3-7, 2-7)
9. Misericordia (1-9, 1-8)
10. Wilkes (0-10, 0-9)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 1-3 (.250)
Season: 42-17 (.712)
Nice Tweis!
I thought this one would be closer...
This shapes up to be a great battle next week.   I may have to take a run up to Doylestown...

Bman

I'm definitely a believer in Del Val this season and I do feel they have a good chance to make it to the semifinals and make noise in that game. Still, this weeks game against Brockport is going to be a good benchmark to see if Del Val is truly going to give UMHB/St. Thomas trouble.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 29, 2017, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2017, 11:13:46 AM
From Kate's pre-DelVal vs. Widener titanic battle until an hour ago with tweisman's weekly predictions........squatta!! This board really does go from just-about-dead to comatose really quickly.

A few quick observations from me until I jump out myself until mid-August, as to me, it's all about winning your conference, not the NCAA Playoffs:

- Lycosimba - My guess is that you've been silently lurking all year, waiting for an opportune time to jump in (a good Lyco winning streak) but never had the chance. We still love you anyway!

- Widenerbman - After falling behind 13-6 and losing, by far and away, their best and only non-QB running threat, had you told me that the Aggies would shut out the Pride for the final three quarters AND score 41 unanswered points.............I would not have believed you in 1,000,000 years. I was stunned that such an average offensive line had their way with such a physical and excellent defense. Widener knew the Aggies weren't throwing the ball........and couldn't stop it. I'm still mind blown a week later.

- wesleydad - I told you a couple of days after the DelVal vs. Wesley game that the injury to Falkenberg was the absolute best thing that ever happened to Wesley (I think you saw it the opposite way) and that Wesley would get to the National Semifinals. It is all set up for Wesley as Brockport's QB is banged up and no team not named Mount Union and UMHB could beat Wesley three times in less than 15 months. That would be the insurmountable task for DelVal. Wesley's path to the semifinals was laid out when the first two D3 Football bracket predictions were incorrect and the second round matchup with Mount Union evaporated. That bracket was literally the difference between Wesley winning one game and being out..............and now winning three games before likely (but not definitely given that lineup) being out. The collective sigh down in Dover was heard all throughout the land. :)

I hope that everybody (I guess at this point, I'm talking to you tweisman) has a wonderful and blessed holiday season and a great and healthy 2018. I'll see you guys and gals in August!!

JM.........out :)

Jmcozenlaw

It has been another great season to witness and congratulations to Del Val for accomplishing the feat of running the table in the conference! I'll continue to root for them to represent the MAC well in the NCAA postseason as they got a big game this weekend before a monster UMHB/St. Thomas opponent.

I'm already looking forward to the 2018 season for my Mustangs! I'm intrigued already to see how the conference plays out with 11 members. It should make things interesting to say the least! Anyways, I'm expecting the usual Stevenson, Del Val, Widener, Albright conference champ contenders; however, the one thing about the MAC is there will always be a surprise or two each season!

Happy Holidays to everyone on the board and I'll be ready to kickoff the 2018 season again!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bports on November 30, 2017, 06:46:22 AM
I'm so happy that Brockport is just a tune up for your next game lmao. No way DV will score enough points to win this game. 31-17 Brockport!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 30, 2017, 11:06:58 AM
I have a feeling the only thing that will be "tuned up" is the Del Val bus! ;D

Edit- forgot it was a home game for del val

so---tune up flights home for xmas? ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on November 30, 2017, 11:18:14 AM
I am hoping for a good game, but I think home field will definitely play the part. I think the game may be closer than what we expect. Delaware Valley is a very good team and will are now playing the underdog roll which will fuel them even more. If UMHB gets upset, that's another home game for either.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on November 30, 2017, 04:43:10 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 29, 2017, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2017, 11:13:46 AM
From Kate's pre-DelVal vs. Widener titanic battle until an hour ago with tweisman's weekly predictions........squatta!! This board really does go from just-about-dead to comatose really quickly.

A few quick observations from me until I jump out myself until mid-August, as to me, it's all about winning your conference, not the NCAA Playoffs:

- Lycosimba - My guess is that you've been silently lurking all year, waiting for an opportune time to jump in (a good Lyco winning streak) but never had the chance. We still love you anyway!

- Widenerbman - After falling behind 13-6 and losing, by far and away, their best and only non-QB running threat, had you told me that the Aggies would shut out the Pride for the final three quarters AND score 41 unanswered points.............I would not have believed you in 1,000,000 years. I was stunned that such an average offensive line had their way with such a physical and excellent defense. Widener knew the Aggies weren't throwing the ball........and couldn't stop it. I'm still mind blown a week later.

- wesleydad - I told you a couple of days after the DelVal vs. Wesley game that the injury to Falkenberg was the absolute best thing that ever happened to Wesley (I think you saw it the opposite way) and that Wesley would get to the National Semifinals. It is all set up for Wesley as Brockport's QB is banged up and no team not named Mount Union and UMHB could beat Wesley three times in less than 15 months. That would be the insurmountable task for DelVal. Wesley's path to the semifinals was laid out when the first two D3 Football bracket predictions were incorrect and the second round matchup with Mount Union evaporated. That bracket was literally the difference between Wesley winning one game and being out..............and now winning three games before likely (but not definitely given that lineup) being out. The collective sigh down in Dover was heard all throughout the land. :)

I hope that everybody (I guess at this point, I'm talking to you tweisman) has a wonderful and blessed holiday season and a great and healthy 2018. I'll see you guys and gals in August!!

JM.........out :)

Jmcozenlaw

It has been another great season to witness and congratulations to Del Val for accomplishing the feat of running the table in the conference! I'll continue to root for them to represent the MAC well in the NCAA postseason as they got a big game this weekend before a monster UMHB/St. Thomas opponent.

I'm already looking forward to the 2018 season for my Mustangs! I'm intrigued already to see how the conference plays out with 11 members. It should make things interesting to say the least! Anyways, I'm expecting the usual Stevenson, Del Val, Widener, Albright conference champ contenders; however, the one thing about the MAC is there will always be a surprise or two each season!

Happy Holidays to everyone on the board and I'll be ready to kickoff the 2018 season again!

This is a pretty ****ing stupid statement to dlip...but most likely a hopeful one said tongue and cheek. dlip thinks quite highly of Del Val but he thinks they may meet their match in Brockport. The Golden Eagles have one hell of an offense and a pretty damn good defense as well.  dlip will be surprised if Del Val wins this game. Either way he'll support the winner 110%. Let's hope for a competitive injury free game for both teams.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: fisheralum91 on November 30, 2017, 04:47:11 PM
Quote from: dlip on November 30, 2017, 04:43:10 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 29, 2017, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2017, 11:13:46 AM
From Kate's pre-DelVal vs. Widener titanic battle until an hour ago with tweisman's weekly predictions........squatta!! This board really does go from just-about-dead to comatose really quickly.

A few quick observations from me until I jump out myself until mid-August, as to me, it's all about winning your conference, not the NCAA Playoffs:

- Lycosimba - My guess is that you've been silently lurking all year, waiting for an opportune time to jump in (a good Lyco winning streak) but never had the chance. We still love you anyway!

- Widenerbman - After falling behind 13-6 and losing, by far and away, their best and only non-QB running threat, had you told me that the Aggies would shut out the Pride for the final three quarters AND score 41 unanswered points.............I would not have believed you in 1,000,000 years. I was stunned that such an average offensive line had their way with such a physical and excellent defense. Widener knew the Aggies weren't throwing the ball........and couldn't stop it. I'm still mind blown a week later.

- wesleydad - I told you a couple of days after the DelVal vs. Wesley game that the injury to Falkenberg was the absolute best thing that ever happened to Wesley (I think you saw it the opposite way) and that Wesley would get to the National Semifinals. It is all set up for Wesley as Brockport's QB is banged up and no team not named Mount Union and UMHB could beat Wesley three times in less than 15 months. That would be the insurmountable task for DelVal. Wesley's path to the semifinals was laid out when the first two D3 Football bracket predictions were incorrect and the second round matchup with Mount Union evaporated. That bracket was literally the difference between Wesley winning one game and being out..............and now winning three games before likely (but not definitely given that lineup) being out. The collective sigh down in Dover was heard all throughout the land. :)

I hope that everybody (I guess at this point, I'm talking to you tweisman) has a wonderful and blessed holiday season and a great and healthy 2018. I'll see you guys and gals in August!!

JM.........out :)

Jmcozenlaw

It has been another great season to witness and congratulations to Del Val for accomplishing the feat of running the table in the conference! I'll continue to root for them to represent the MAC well in the NCAA postseason as they got a big game this weekend before a monster UMHB/St. Thomas opponent.

I'm already looking forward to the 2018 season for my Mustangs! I'm intrigued already to see how the conference plays out with 11 members. It should make things interesting to say the least! Anyways, I'm expecting the usual Stevenson, Del Val, Widener, Albright conference champ contenders; however, the one thing about the MAC is there will always be a surprise or two each season!

Happy Holidays to everyone on the board and I'll be ready to kickoff the 2018 season again!

This is a pretty ****ing stupid statement to dlip...but most likely a hopeful one said tongue and cheek. dlip thinks quite highly of Del Val but he thinks they may meet their match in Brockport. The Golden Eagles have one hell of an offense and a pretty damn good defense as well.  dlip will be surprised if Del Val wins this game. Either way he'll support the winner 110%. Let's hope for a competitive injury free game for both teams.
With the E8 representative on the winning side!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 01, 2017, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: bports on November 30, 2017, 06:46:22 AM
I'm so happy that Brockport is just a tune up for your next game lmao. No way DV will score enough points to win this game. 31-17 Brockport!

I always love when a novice poster jumps over to another board where he/she has never been before and has zero idea about the regular posters. Let me educate you bports...................

The poster that you responded to is a Stevenson fan/alum. He has nothing to do with DelVal. I have no idea if Stevenson and Brockport are starting the 2018 season off against each other........and if that game is Stevenson's "tune up" for their second game of the 2018 season.

The "lmao" shows that you are a puppy (a millenial puppy?) as the "men on the board" aren't wise ass acronym types.

I have no skin in the game as my team lost it's football program years ago when the ultra-liberals went nuts over funding something as neanderthal. I will say that with a Division 1 level talent/transfer QB and, what I read on another post, an offensive line that averages 6'3" and 290 pounds............along with being "very athletic" for their size (where the hell were the D1, D1-AA and D2 offers for these fellows as their line is bigger than any D1-AA Patriot League team and any D2 PSAC team), Brockport should win this game by at least 20 points, especially given what they did to Wesley.

Brockport will really show me what they have (again, with the only D1 transfer in the playoff field at QB and a huge, athletic stud offensive line) when they play Mary Hardin-Baylor (I'm assuming they beat St. Thomas).

Know what your posting and who you are posting it to.......................and I'm sorry for letting the facts about the poster you chastised get in the way of a good Western New York rant. Go Bills. ;)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on December 01, 2017, 11:06:52 PM
"with the only D1 transfer in the playoff field at QB"

To be fair. Joe Germanerio was an undersized TE at UAlbany.  He didn't play QB there.
Also, Hobart's QB Shane Sweeney actually played QB at 1-AA UAlbany and competed for the starting job there before transferring to Hobart. He was a preseason All American and was Brockport's first game opponent.  So..a D1-AA transfer doesn't guarantee anything. Brockport won that game too.

"as their line is bigger than any D1-AA Patriot League team and any D2 PSAC team"

this is also most likely not true. Colgate's smallest starting OLman is 6-3 280. The rest are all bigger. Honestly the size of Brockport's OL is certainly not unique at even the D3 level. Look at Wesley's Ol and others. ST John Fisher has had huge OLs for years. Brockport has even had bigger offensive lines in the past. It is this years groups experience which has been the critical difference. They are all returning starters.

P.S. Are you a Swarthmore guy ?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jamtod on December 02, 2017, 01:17:46 AM
Quote from: D3viewer on December 01, 2017, 11:06:52 PM
"with the only D1 transfer in the playoff field at QB"


Not sure if the intent is to reference D1 scholarship players here but UST QB Perra was a Minnesota Gopher preferred walkon for a couple years and starting WR Gabe Green was on scholly at So Miss.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 02, 2017, 08:57:53 AM
Below are my week 14 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 14 Predictions

#4 Brockport @ #6 Del Val (-3.5): Del Val wins by 1 

Week 14 Rankings
1. Del Val (12-0, 9-0)
2. Albright (8-3, 7-2)
3. Widener (7-4, 7-2)
4. Stevenson (6-5, 6-3)
5. Leb Val (5-5, 5-4)
6. Lycoming (4-6, 4-5)
7. King's (5-5, 4-5)
8. FDU (3-7, 2-7)
9. Misericordia (1-9, 1-8)
10. Wilkes (0-10, 0-9)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 1-0 (1.000)
Season: 43-17 (.717)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on December 02, 2017, 11:46:43 AM
This game is a bit of a conundrum to me.   I wish I could go...
Del Val handled Wesley in the first half, and can handle size and physicality...but Wesley dominated the second half offensively.
Del Val truly wasn't challenged until the first half of the Widener game.  WU dominated the DV linebackers with underneath throws all first half, then inexplicably went away from it and started throwing hail marys all second half...

Brockport is so balanced.  I watched most of the Alfred game, so I have a sense of who they are.

My guess is that they pretty evenly matched despite the hyperbole on the board. My guess is Brockport by 7, acknowledging their balance....but would not be surprised if it went the other way...

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on December 02, 2017, 03:38:51 PM
Hey Team - certainly nothing to regret this season - it was amazing!   Sad to lose to a VERY talented Brockport team by three points in the last five seconds, but again, CONGRATULATIONS on a Great Year!  Aggie Proud!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pg04 on December 02, 2017, 03:47:03 PM
Kate and all Del Val fans,

What a great game. Your team should be proud to fight back and tie the game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on December 02, 2017, 04:49:05 PM
Great game and great fight for Del Val. Good season. Methinks it'll be Wesley-Del Val to open the 2018 season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 03, 2017, 11:51:45 AM
Quote from: bports on November 30, 2017, 06:46:22 AM
I'm so happy that Brockport is just a tune up for your next game lmao. No way DV will score enough points to win this game. 31-17 Brockport!

bsports - I guess for both of us (as I had a 20 point Brockport victory and you had a 14 point victory with DelVal only scoring 17 against the Brockport defense), the old saying applies........."It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt".

Make the East (although my Manhattan buddies think that Brockport, NY............and all of New York that's not Manhattan or the other four boroughs is akin to Guam, and certainly not the "East" :) ) proud and take down Mary Hardin Baylor. Brockport has the QB, size, speed and defense to do the job but if that defense gets torched like it did through the air and on the ground in the 4th quarter against DelVal.........it could be a long day in Texas.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 03, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on December 02, 2017, 04:49:05 PM
Great game and great fight for Del Val. Good season. Methinks it'll be Wesley-Del Val to open the 2018 season.

Two years against Montclair
Followed by two years against Wesley
Me thinks (not knows ;) ) it's another NJAC team and a CC or PAC team to fill the two non-conference games the next two seasons
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on December 03, 2017, 10:43:12 PM
DV, how is your guy that went out during the 3rd quarter? Looks like he came off the field under his own power. 55 I think?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on December 04, 2017, 09:02:22 AM
Congrats to Del Val on an awesome season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on December 04, 2017, 09:59:50 PM
Congratulations to the Delaware Valley university Aggies on an outstanding season.   Thanks, too, to Gordon Mann for his great calls of the games and to our Sport's Information Director Matt Levy for all the behind the scenes work - stats alone must have been monumental to gather each week since August!   All in all just tremendous memories!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2018, 06:10:02 PM
Dropping this story into a few spots where perhaps Keystone might eventually find conference affiliation:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/01/keystone-adds-football-brings-total-to-252
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 07, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2018, 06:10:02 PM
Dropping this story into a few spots where perhaps Keystone might eventually find conference affiliation:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/01/keystone-adds-football-brings-total-to-252

I am not going to mention the name of the poster, who on several different occasions, has posted about a few PA schools adding football over the next 3-5 years (he is an astute poster though........and might even know a bit more, but can not post at this time as his sources would read it.........and cut him off :) )

Having nothing to do with potential DeSales/Arcadia/Messiah decisions over the next 12-18 months, I could potentially see the following:

MAC EAST:
DelVal, FDU, King's, Wilkes, Misericordia, Keystone

MAC WEST:
Lycoming, LebVal, Albright, Alvernia, Widener, Stevenson

- 5 games within MAC division
- 2 rotating MAC crossover games
- 2 out-of-conference games
- Championship game between top teams in each division / crossover games between the other five teams within each division (without playing an opponent a second time)

I so wish that I could tell you all what I've been told on the hush hush. Believe me when I tell you that there is more to come..................and the conference shuffle might also rear it's ugly head before any of this plays out!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on January 10, 2018, 10:57:53 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 07, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2018, 06:10:02 PM
Dropping this story into a few spots where perhaps Keystone might eventually find conference affiliation:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/01/keystone-adds-football-brings-total-to-252

I am not going to mention the name of the poster, who on several different occasions, has posted about a few PA schools adding football over the next 3-5 years (he is an astute poster though........and might even know a bit more, but can not post at this time as his sources would read it.........and cut him off :) )

Having nothing to do with potential DeSales/Arcadia/Messiah decisions over the next 12-18 months, I could potentially see the following:

MAC EAST:
DelVal, FDU, King's, Wilkes, Misericordia, Keystone

MAC WEST:
Lycoming, LebVal, Albright, Alvernia, Widener, Stevenson

- 5 games within MAC division
- 2 rotating MAC crossover games
- 2 out-of-conference games
- Championship game between top teams in each division / crossover games between the other five teams within each division (without playing an opponent a second time)

I so wish that I could tell you all what I've been told on the hush hush. Believe me when I tell you that there is more to come..................and the conference shuffle might also rear it's ugly head before any of this plays out!

The West is looking (traditionally)a bit more, uh, "competitive" than the East.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 12, 2018, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on January 10, 2018, 10:57:53 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 07, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2018, 06:10:02 PM
Dropping this story into a few spots where perhaps Keystone might eventually find conference affiliation:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/01/keystone-adds-football-brings-total-to-252

I am not going to mention the name of the poster, who on several different occasions, has posted about a few PA schools adding football over the next 3-5 years (he is an astute poster though........and might even know a bit more, but can not post at this time as his sources would read it.........and cut him off :) )

Having nothing to do with potential DeSales/Arcadia/Messiah decisions over the next 12-18 months, I could potentially see the following:

MAC EAST:
DelVal, FDU, King's, Wilkes, Misericordia, Keystone

MAC WEST:
Lycoming, LebVal, Albright, Alvernia, Widener, Stevenson

- 5 games within MAC division
- 2 rotating MAC crossover games
- 2 out-of-conference games
- Championship game between top teams in each division / crossover games between the other five teams within each division (without playing an opponent a second time)

I so wish that I could tell you all what I've been told on the hush hush. Believe me when I tell you that there is more to come..................and the conference shuffle might also rear it's ugly head before any of this plays out!

The West is looking (traditionally)a bit more, uh, "competitive" than the East.

I'm not sure that you can build conferences on "traditional competitiveness".

i.e. NBA Eastern and Western Conferences / NFL NFC and AFC

It wasn't a lifetime ago that Wilkes had a traditionally competitive program. Same with King's.

Alvernia should, in theory, hurt Albright some over time. Lyco and LebVal have been blech for a while. Widener turned it around this year. So you're really talking about Stevenson and Albright vs. DelVal? I'm not sure that you blow it up over that, especially since nobody has a clue about the future (school vs. school financial aid packages........nobody currently sniffs what Albright & Lycoming give, facilties, etc.)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on February 02, 2018, 01:07:10 PM
Look for Wilkes to announce their new HC this Wednesday
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: D3viewer on February 02, 2018, 06:13:21 PM
Wilkes (D-III – PA): Hobart (D-III – NY) offensive coordinator Jon Drach has accepted the head coaching job at Wilkes. Drach spent the past 11-seasons at Hobart, including the past four seasons as offensive coordinator.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on February 02, 2018, 08:08:50 PM
Quote from: D3viewer on February 02, 2018, 06:13:21 PM
Wilkes (D-III – PA): Hobart (D-III – NY) offensive coordinator Jon Drach has accepted the head coaching job at Wilkes. Drach spent the past 11-seasons at Hobart, including the past four seasons as offensive coordinator.

Sounds like a good hire for Wilkes. I don't really know much about him, but looks like he runs an efficient offense with good QB development. My assumption is he will bring NY recruiting ties to the Wilkes program. Hopefully this improves Wilkes' program and make them more competitive in the MAC! As a Stevenson alum, I always favor playing in a stronger more competitive conference throughout.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on February 05, 2018, 09:56:02 AM
Drach is a well disciplined coach with a great offensive mind, Wilkes got a hungry ,competitive new coach........I think Wilkes will be happy with the decision, but give him some runway to set the program up
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on February 05, 2018, 03:23:22 PM
The prior HC got 4 yrs (went 7-33). Hoping Jon has much better success. Don't know if its a lack or talent or what, but last season's 0-10 record shows there's a ways to go to get things turned around.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on February 06, 2018, 12:11:17 PM
Drach to be officially announced on Thursday at 3pm. Live streaming info in link below:

http://www.gowilkesu.com/news/2018/2/5/wilkes-to-hold-press-conference-to-introduce-new-head-football-coach-jonathan-drach-thursday-at-3-00-pm.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on February 07, 2018, 11:01:50 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on February 05, 2018, 03:23:22 PM
The prior HC got 4 yrs (went 7-33). Hoping Jon has much better success. Don't know if its a lack or talent or what, but last season's 0-10 record shows there's a ways to go to get things turned around.

Hi folks, great to see some discussion on Wilkes football!

As a proud Wilkes alum who worked for the program during some great seasons, the 2017 season was painful to watch. There were some general trends- the Colonels tended to play well on their opening drives- but the overall picture was one of non-competitiveness.

Late in the season, many football alumni began to voice concerns about the direction of program to the Wilkes administration, both via direct contact and on social media. I was pleased that the university administration reached out to former players to inform them on the search process, and to take any feedback they had on improving the program. If that level of engagement continues it will be a big plus, as several former players made a grassroots effort to bolster alumni engagement with the program, culminating in the renovation and expansion of the locker room facility in 2013.

I only met Coach Brown in passing, but he always seemed like a great person who got top-notch reviews from people I knew that worked with him. I can't offer any insights on why the program did not prosper during his tenure, but I'm sure he will find a good fit for his next stop, and will continue to do good work in coaching.

From what I have read about Coach Drach, he seems like an exciting choice to be the next head coach. Hopefully he'll follow the lead of another former Hobart coach, Izzi Metz, who has the Colonels men's hoops program playing their best basketball in many seasons. He's coming into a university that has continued to prosper since my days as a student, both in terms of academics, and the growth and development of the campus, especially on downtown Wilkes-Barre. It's a great place to study, live, work, and recruit to, and I hope he can make the most of it.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 09, 2018, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on February 07, 2018, 11:01:50 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on February 05, 2018, 03:23:22 PM
The prior HC got 4 yrs (went 7-33). Hoping Jon has much better success. Don't know if its a lack or talent or what, but last season's 0-10 record shows there's a ways to go to get things turned around.

Hi folks, great to see some discussion on Wilkes football!

As a proud Wilkes alum who worked for the program during some great seasons, the 2017 season was painful to watch. There were some general trends- the Colonels tended to play well on their opening drives- but the overall picture was one of non-competitiveness.

Late in the season, many football alumni began to voice concerns about the direction of program to the Wilkes administration, both via direct contact and on social media. I was pleased that the university administration reached out to former players to inform them on the search process, and to take any feedback they had on improving the program. If that level of engagement continues it will be a big plus, as several former players made a grassroots effort to bolster alumni engagement with the program, culminating in the renovation and expansion of the locker room facility in 2013.

I only met Coach Brown in passing, but he always seemed like a great person who got top-notch reviews from people I knew that worked with him. I can't offer any insights on why the program did not prosper during his tenure, but I'm sure he will find a good fit for his next stop, and will continue to do good work in coaching.

From what I have read about Coach Drach, he seems like an exciting choice to be the next head coach. Hopefully he'll follow the lead of another former Hobart coach, Izzi Metz, who has the Colonels men's hoops program playing their best basketball in many seasons. He's coming into a university that has continued to prosper since my days as a student, both in terms of academics, and the growth and development of the campus, especially on downtown Wilkes-Barre. It's a great place to study, live, work, and recruit to, and I hope he can make the most of it.

G-Man - I love the Northeast PA area and spent many years traveling to and from in another lifetime. As other small-to-midsized cities have done, and others are attempting to do, I hope that Wilkes Barre (and Scranton for that matter) are successful with major revitalization efforts downtown and in the surrounding areas as the cost of living index is cheap and it is a great, affordable place to raise a family. Of the kids I've known (who moved away after graduation) and the kids at Wilkes, King's and Misericordia now, based on their major, starting career choice and geographical preferences, most leave NEPA after graduation. Some head for the big cities (NYC, Philly, D.C.) and some for the warmer weather. I did some consulting work with the Chamber years ago and I actually did the feasibility study for building what is now known as the Mohegan Sun Arena at Casey Plaza. I worked with a guy in the chamber named Steve Barrouk (sp), who I'm guessing is retired by now but you might know the name if you've been around a while. His son played hoops, if I remember correctly, at King's. During the process, we used to have spaghetti dinners once/twice a week at a state rep's house (Kevin Blaum), who's name you might also recognize. We'd go up to Clarks Summit for some REAL Italian food.....................with some REAL Italian "goodfellas" huddled in the back, with the bodyguards facing away from the table and on the front door. I could write a book!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on February 09, 2018, 10:41:46 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on February 09, 2018, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on February 07, 2018, 11:01:50 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on February 05, 2018, 03:23:22 PM
The prior HC got 4 yrs (went 7-33). Hoping Jon has much better success. Don't know if its a lack or talent or what, but last season's 0-10 record shows there's a ways to go to get things turned around.

Hi folks, great to see some discussion on Wilkes football!

As a proud Wilkes alum who worked for the program during some great seasons, the 2017 season was painful to watch. There were some general trends- the Colonels tended to play well on their opening drives- but the overall picture was one of non-competitiveness.

Late in the season, many football alumni began to voice concerns about the direction of program to the Wilkes administration, both via direct contact and on social media. I was pleased that the university administration reached out to former players to inform them on the search process, and to take any feedback they had on improving the program. If that level of engagement continues it will be a big plus, as several former players made a grassroots effort to bolster alumni engagement with the program, culminating in the renovation and expansion of the locker room facility in 2013.

I only met Coach Brown in passing, but he always seemed like a great person who got top-notch reviews from people I knew that worked with him. I can't offer any insights on why the program did not prosper during his tenure, but I'm sure he will find a good fit for his next stop, and will continue to do good work in coaching.

From what I have read about Coach Drach, he seems like an exciting choice to be the next head coach. Hopefully he'll follow the lead of another former Hobart coach, Izzi Metz, who has the Colonels men's hoops program playing their best basketball in many seasons. He's coming into a university that has continued to prosper since my days as a student, both in terms of academics, and the growth and development of the campus, especially on downtown Wilkes-Barre. It's a great place to study, live, work, and recruit to, and I hope he can make the most of it.

G-Man - I love the Northeast PA area and spent many years traveling to and from in another lifetime. As other small-to-midsized cities have done, and others are attempting to do, I hope that Wilkes Barre (and Scranton for that matter) are successful with major revitalization efforts downtown and in the surrounding areas as the cost of living index is cheap and it is a great, affordable place to raise a family. Of the kids I've known (who moved away after graduation) and the kids at Wilkes, King's and Misericordia now, based on their major, starting career choice and geographical preferences, most leave NEPA after graduation. Some head for the big cities (NYC, Philly, D.C.) and some for the warmer weather. I did some consulting work with the Chamber years ago and I actually did the feasibility study for building what is now known as the Mohegan Sun Arena at Casey Plaza. I worked with a guy in the chamber named Steve Barrouk (sp), who I'm guessing is retired by now but you might know the name if you've been around a while. His son played hoops, if I remember correctly, at King's. During the process, we used to have spaghetti dinners once/twice a week at a state rep's house (Kevin Blaum), who's name you might also recognize. We'd go up to Clarks Summit for some REAL Italian food.....................with some REAL Italian "goodfellas" huddled in the back, with the bodyguards facing away from the table and on the front door. I could write a book!!

Lots of good stuff there jmcozen! Glad to hear you have been a part of some great work to revitalize NEPA over the years.

The arena project was completed in my middle school years, and has been a great asset for the community ever since. It's a fantastic plus having an AHL program in our region; I've been attending W-B/S Penguins games on a frequent basis this season. I volunteered on gameday for the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Pioneers Af2 team from 2005-2009, and had both of my college graduations (Wilkes for my undergrad, and Marywood a few years later for my MA) at the arena. Lots of good memories in that building and hopefully more to come.

On that note, I must take my hat off to both Wilkes and King's in Wilkes-Barre (and both the University of Scranton and Lackawanna College in downtown Scranton) for being part of a great urban revitalization. When I arrived at Wilkes as a freshman in 2004, the downtown was pretty shabby, to be kind. But both schools have done great work to put people and activity onto Main Street and the surrounding areas. The joint bookstore (as well as the downtown movie theater) opened at the start of my junior year, and was a great catalyst to spur development downtown. When I worked at The Times Leader in 2010 and 2011, the downtown was much improved and has gotten better since.

When it comes to young people leaving the area, I like to note that I've seen some good successes in my career (I'll be 32 next month) with friends and colleagues catching on with some of the technology-driven firms: TMG Health, Net Driven, PepperJam, to name a few. What would be great is if we could lock down about a half-dozen more firms like that, plus a few more high-skilled manufacturers. It's a tough topic to solve in one swoop, but I'll do my bit to keep trying!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on February 09, 2018, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 07, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2018, 06:10:02 PM
Dropping this story into a few spots where perhaps Keystone might eventually find conference affiliation:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/01/keystone-adds-football-brings-total-to-252

I am not going to mention the name of the poster, who on several different occasions, has posted about a few PA schools adding football over the next 3-5 years (he is an astute poster though........and might even know a bit more, but can not post at this time as his sources would read it.........and cut him off :) )

Having nothing to do with potential DeSales/Arcadia/Messiah decisions over the next 12-18 months, I could potentially see the following:

MAC EAST:
DelVal, FDU, King's, Wilkes, Misericordia, Keystone

MAC WEST:
Lycoming, LebVal, Albright, Alvernia, Widener, Stevenson

- 5 games within MAC division
- 2 rotating MAC crossover games
- 2 out-of-conference games
- Championship game between top teams in each division / crossover games between the other five teams within each division (without playing an opponent a second time)

I so wish that I could tell you all what I've been told on the hush hush. Believe me when I tell you that there is more to come..................and the conference shuffle might also rear it's ugly head before any of this plays out!

Sorry for the late reply here! Good news to see Keystone adding football. The school has developed nicely over the years; my dad is an alum from the Keystone Junior College days, and I covered many events on campus circa 2008-2010 when working for a local newspaper. It's a beautiful campus located in the hometown of Christy Mathewson. Would be a great fit for the MAC from what I can see...

With that in mind, regarding future conference alignments, I remember my head spinning back in 2005 when I learned that Moravian, Juniata, and Susquehanna were leaving the MAC! Seeing changes in other Division III conferences since then, and I've learned to expect the unexpected. Who knows what shape the schedules will take in 2020, or 2025, and so on. I can imagine there is plenty of scuttlebutt out there, so stay tuned everyone.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on February 09, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Some coverage of Coach Drach's introductory press conference at Wilkes:

Times Leader: http://www.timesleader.com/sports/localsports/692224/wilkes-introduces-jon-drach-as-new-head-football-coach

Citizens Voice: http://citizensvoice.com/sports/college-football-drach-introduced-as-wilkes-coach-1.2300364

Interview with Wilkes Sports Information Dept.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J0J3F9UMxw

Archive of press conference: http://www.gowilkesu.com/sports/2015/7/31/GEN_0731155646.aspx

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on March 24, 2018, 11:17:01 PM
Congratulations to Coach Johnson for earning his first head coaching job at William Paterson! He has done a remarkable job for our team at Stevenson since he arrived. The impact on-and-off the field he had will be forever lasting! He established a strong foundation within our program that I'm hopeful to see continue!

Link to story: http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/03/johnson-takes-william-paterson-job
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on April 13, 2018, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 12, 2018, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on January 10, 2018, 10:57:53 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on January 07, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2018, 06:10:02 PM
Dropping this story into a few spots where perhaps Keystone might eventually find conference affiliation:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/01/keystone-adds-football-brings-total-to-252

Alvernia should, in theory, hurt Albright some over time. Lyco and LebVal have been blech for a while. Widener turned it around this year. So you're really talking about Stevenson and Albright vs. DelVal? I'm not sure that you blow it up over that, especially since nobody has a clue about the future (school vs. school financial aid packages........nobody currently sniffs what Albright & Lycoming give, facilties, etc.)

I can definitively tell you what packages Albright is offering, as well as WU, and Lyco, but will not post them here (nor anywhere), but JM, PM me and I will mention why)...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on June 05, 2018, 11:28:00 PM
2018 MAC OOC Games

Week 1:
Alvernia vs. Gallaudet
Del Val @ Wesley
King's @ Moravian
Lycoming vs. Susquehana
Misericordia vs. Merchant Marine
Stevenson vs. Frostburg State
Widener vs. Rowan
Wilkes vs. Hartwick
FDU vs. TCNJ
Leb Val @ Franklin & Marshall
Albright @ Salisbury

Week 2:
Albright vs. UMHB
Del Val @ Mass-Dartmouth
Leb Val vs. Wilkes
Lycoming @ Widener
Stevenson @ Bridgewater
FDU @ William Paterson

Week 3:
King's vs. Hartwick

Week 11:
Alvernia @ University of New England

Missing:
Misericordia-Week 2

My Take:
The MAC has several quality matchups. The most enticing OOC schedule is Albright. When you evaluate their first three weeks it will be very telling what Albright team we'll see this season. Del Val's matchup against Wesley has always been intriguing; however, this matchup is more compelling for unfortunate reasons as Wesley's HC passed away. That game will be filled with heavy hearts for everyone playing and watching, but the talent on the field will be eventful as well. Stevenson's game against Frostburg will be intriguing to follow as last year's final score wasn't as straightforward as one would be lead to believe. I expect my Mustang to show up much better this time! Finally, the impact of the conference scaling back to eight conference games is already producing interesting schedules as the Lycoming @ Widener matchup won't be marked as an official conference game. These games are some of the highlights I pulled from the composite OOC schedule.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 25, 2018, 10:48:23 AM
" Lycoming @ Widener matchup won't be marked as an official conference game."

That's pretty insane...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 25, 2018, 04:56:17 PM
I'm glad they are still going to play each other. My understanding is that was left up to the individual schools who aren't scheduled to play each other in conference this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 25, 2018, 09:35:18 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 25, 2018, 04:56:17 PM
I'm glad they are still going to play each other. My understanding is that was left up to the individual schools who aren't scheduled to play each other in conference this year.

That was my understanding as well. Basically, here is your conference schedule. If there is a conference team you want to play, you are welcome to play them in your "non-conference" schedule if you would like. It just won't have any affect on standings and such.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 26, 2018, 09:10:51 AM
I get it.   But I feel that certain teams should always play each other due to the history.

It's like saying "Well Army-Navy" won't count this year....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 26, 2018, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: bman on June 26, 2018, 09:10:51 AM
I get it.   But I feel that certain teams should always play each other due to the history.

It's like saying "Well Army-Navy" won't count this year....

To be clear, Army-Navy isn't a conference game in football. Army is independent and Navy is in a conference (after being independent). They play for the Commander and Chief trophy (along with the Army-Navy Star series involving all sports, but they don't have any conference affiliation in football.

All other sports they are in the Patriot League together.

The Lycoming-Wilkes game will still count as a game, it just won't have any conference implications. When you have a rotating schedule based on strength (to help the top of the conference), it makes it far more difficult to throw in most-played rivalries. They are willing to play when it won't count for conference action... that is great.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on June 27, 2018, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 26, 2018, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: bman on June 26, 2018, 09:10:51 AM
I get it.   But I feel that certain teams should always play each other due to the history.

It's like saying "Well Army-Navy" won't count this year....

To be clear, Army-Navy isn't a conference game in football. Army is independent and Navy is in a conference (after being independent). They play for the Commander and Chief trophy (along with the Army-Navy Star series involving all sports, but they don't have any conference affiliation in football.

All other sports they are in the Patriot League together.

The Lycoming-Wilkes game will still count as a game, it just won't have any conference implications. When you have a rotating schedule based on strength (to help the top of the conference), it makes it far more difficult to throw in most-played rivalries. They are willing to play when it won't count for conference action... that is great.

Perhaps Army-Navy was a bad example when discussing conference play, I only meant to highlight the depth of the rivalry...and btw, I didn't realize that Lyco-Wilkes was a rivalry... ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 27, 2018, 12:43:37 PM
Either did I (rivalry)... I was just playing along. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 28, 2018, 02:51:00 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 27, 2018, 12:43:37 PM
Either did I (rivalry)... I was just playing along. :)

He's saying you said Wilkes instead of Widener. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on June 30, 2018, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on June 05, 2018, 11:28:00 PM
2018 MAC OOC Games

Week 1:
Alvernia vs. Gallaudet
Del Val @ Wesley
King's @ Moravian
Lycoming vs. Susquehana
Misericordia vs. Merchant Marine
Stevenson vs. Frostburg State
Widener vs. Rowan
Wilkes vs. Hartwick
FDU vs. TCNJ
Leb Val @ Franklin & Marshall
Albright @ Salisbury

Week 2:
Albright vs. UMHB
Del Val @ Mass-Dartmouth
Leb Val vs. Wilkes
Lycoming @ Widener
Stevenson @ Bridgewater
FDU @ William Paterson

Week 3:
King's vs. Hartwick

Week 5:
*Misericordia vs. Castleton*

Week 11:
Alvernia @ University of New England

My Take:
The MAC has several quality matchups. The most enticing OOC schedule is Albright. When you evaluate their first three weeks it will be very telling what Albright team we'll see this season. Del Val's matchup against Wesley has always been intriguing; however, this matchup is more compelling for unfortunate reasons as Wesley's HC passed away. That game will be filled with heavy hearts for everyone playing and watching, but the talent on the field will be eventful as well. Stevenson's game against Frostburg will be intriguing to follow as last year's final score wasn't as straightforward as one would be lead to believe. I expect my Mustang to show up much better this time! Finally, the impact of the conference scaling back to eight conference games is already producing interesting schedules as the Lycoming @ Widener matchup won't be marked as an official conference game. These games are some of the highlights I pulled from the composite OOC schedule.

*_____*: Updated schedule to include last missing OOC game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on July 09, 2018, 08:54:17 PM
A new tidbit I discovered recently is the MAC conference matchups in 2018 will remain for 2019 as well. This is interesting as the Lycoming vs. Widener matchup goes another year not marked as a conference game. I'm curious to see if another conference member joins before the 2020 schedule is set.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 01, 2018, 05:20:47 PM
Happy August 1st! It's the day I consider the unofficial start to the football season as teams start to conduct preseason camp preparing for the start of the season. As such, I feel this is a great moment to start up the board discussion for the 2018 season. To kickstart the preseason I think a good hearty discussion would be to post an over/under for each conference team. So after scouring across the internet and compiling estimated W's for each team, I've constructed the conference 2018 season over/under. I'm excited to see how this season unfolds and would like to welcome Alvernia to their first season of MAC football!

2018 MAC Football OVER/UNDER

Albright (4.5) OVER
Alvernia (1.5) UNDER
Del Val (8.5) UNDER
FDU (3.5) OVER
King's (4.5) UNDER
Leb Val (4.5) UNDER
Lycoming (5.5) OVER
Misericordia (2.5) OVER
Stevenson (5.5) OVER
Widener (6.5) OVER
Wilkes (2.5) UNDER 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 02, 2018, 12:53:29 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 01, 2018, 05:20:47 PM
Happy August 1st! It's the day I consider the unofficial start to the football season as teams start to conduct preseason camp preparing for the start of the season. As such, I feel this is a great moment to start up the board discussion for the 2018 season. To kickstart the preseason I think a good hearty discussion would be to post an over/under for each conference team. So after scouring across the internet and compiling estimated W's for each team, I've constructed the conference 2018 season over/under. I'm excited to see how this season unfolds and would like to welcome Alvernia to their first season of MAC football!

2018 MAC Football OVER/UNDER

Albright (4.5) OVER
Alvernia (1.5) UNDER
Del Val (8.5) UNDER
FDU (3.5) OVER
King's (4.5) UNDER
Leb Val (4.5) UNDER
Lycoming (5.5) OVER
Misericordia (2.5) OVER
Stevenson (5.5) OVER
Widener (6.5) OVER
Wilkes (2.5) UNDER

I like it!   My take:
Albright (4.5) OVER - why 4.5?  They were good last year....I would think the line would be 6
Alvernia (1.5) UNDER Misericordia finally has someone to dominate!
Del Val (8.5) OVER  The machine keeps rolling on...
FDU (3.5) OVER - but barely :)
King's (4.5) UNDER - I never know which Kings team will show up year to year...
Leb Val (4.5) OVER  I can't disrespect Warren!
Lycoming (5.5) UNDER
Misericordia (2.5) UNDER  Nope....
Stevenson (5.5) OVER  HAS to be over - TW is being falsely modest here... line should be 6.5
Widener (6.5) OVER
Wilkes (2.5) UNDER  Still can't figure out how this program has sunk this low...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 02, 2018, 11:20:42 PM
Albright lost a ton.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 05, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 02, 2018, 11:20:42 PM
Albright lost a ton.
But they had a great recruiting class as well.  I'm sticking by the 6 wins...:)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 05, 2018, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: bman on August 05, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 02, 2018, 11:20:42 PM
Albright lost a ton.
But they had a great recruiting class as well.  I'm sticking by the 6 wins...:)

If you look at Albright's OOC schedule it's by far one of the toughest in the nation. Then throw in conference heavyweights Del Val, Stevenson, and Widener makes getting to 6 wins a good season for Albright this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2018, 10:16:36 PM
Quote from: bman on August 05, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 02, 2018, 11:20:42 PM
Albright lost a ton.
But they had a great recruiting class as well.  I'm sticking by the 6 wins...:)

Counting on freshmen who have had 19 D-III practices ... hmm
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 06, 2018, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2018, 10:16:36 PM
Quote from: bman on August 05, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 02, 2018, 11:20:42 PM
Albright lost a ton.
But they had a great recruiting class as well.  I'm sticking by the 6 wins...:)

Counting on freshmen who have had 19 D-III practices ... hmm
Not at all.  I just think that the program is going in the right direction now.   Given that and the taste of success recently, and 3 (pretty much automatic wins on the schedule) winning 3 additional games might not be an unanswerable call.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 07, 2018, 03:00:38 PM
I'll take the UNDER for DelVal as the publications really go from the prior year many times. The Aggies lost both starting safeties, including All-Everything, Shawn Miller. They lost both starting CB's. They also lost ALL FOUR starting linebackers from a killer unit. Not 1, not 2, not 3, (sounds like Lebron when he joined the Heat), but 4. They also lost their anchor in the middle, Mark Issac, a stud football player AND heavyweight wrestler. They return Chris Snowden and Vince Dileo on the defensive side.

On offense, they lost three starting lineman, including two All-MAC first team players, Tyler Sylvester and John Walsh. They lost their top two running backs, including the best RB in the league, Devauntay Ellis. They also lost two of their top three receivers as well as their best punt returner and best kick returner (two separate players). They return a QB, two linemen, the top WR and their two TE's. They do get All-American punter, Steven Adams back for his senior season and I expect his leg to get quite a bit of action this year.

Picking the Aggies to repeat is either insanity, or, you must believe that Stevenson, Albright and Widener are going to be shells of themselves this year. I'll make my prediction in a couple of weeks, but I'm going under, and not by a 1/2 game, or even 1 1/2 games.

Last thing, I believe they are the only team who no longer has patsies, Misericordia and FDU on their schedule for the next two years. There is no way in hell that this was done by a blind draw. No way, no how. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on August 07, 2018, 05:51:26 PM
I spoke with Coach Kelly for Kickoff and was really impressed by what he told me they had coming back. I didn't make the final pick in predictions, but I really think the Pride could be in for a big, 2014 like, year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2018, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: bman on August 06, 2018, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2018, 10:16:36 PM
Quote from: bman on August 05, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 02, 2018, 11:20:42 PM
Albright lost a ton.
But they had a great recruiting class as well.  I'm sticking by the 6 wins...:)

Counting on freshmen who have had 19 D-III practices ... hmm
Not at all.  I just think that the program is going in the right direction now.   Given that and the taste of success recently, and 3 (pretty much automatic wins on the schedule) winning 3 additional games might not be an unanswerable call.

Who are those automatics? Miseri, FDU and Wilkes? Albright doesn't have Alvernia and I don't think Wilkes is an automatic.

More on our prognostications coming ... Kickoff '18 goes live tomorrow! Register now if you haven't already!
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/06/order-kickoff-2018-now
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 09, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2018, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: bman on August 06, 2018, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2018, 10:16:36 PM
Quote from: bman on August 05, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 02, 2018, 11:20:42 PM
Albright lost a ton.
But they had a great recruiting class as well.  I'm sticking by the 6 wins...:)

Counting on freshmen who have had 19 D-III practices ... hmm
Not at all.  I just think that the program is going in the right direction now.   Given that and the taste of success recently, and 3 (pretty much automatic wins on the schedule) winning 3 additional games might not be an unanswerable call.

Who are those automatics? Miseri, FDU and Wilkes? Albright doesn't have Alvernia and I don't think Wilkes is an automatic.

More on our prognostications coming ... Kickoff '18 goes live tomorrow! Register now if you haven't already!
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/06/order-kickoff-2018-now

Hey Pat

Yes, the three automatics (IMO) are Miseri, FDU and Wilkes.   You have more insight than I, but until we see much improvement from Wilkes, it's a fair assumption to make.   I'd almost think that FDU would be more competitive than Wilkes, given the past couple of years.   I haven't read Kickoff yet, but I will, and perhaps I will change my opinion after the read.   Until then I will stay with my pick at 6 would stand forcing them to beat Kings, and 2 of the following: Salisbury, Stevenson, Leb Val, Widener.   I will excuse them for not beating Mary Hardin Baylor or Del Val...:)

Going to get my kickoff now....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 09, 2018, 05:01:02 PM
Quote from: bman on August 09, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2018, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: bman on August 06, 2018, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2018, 10:16:36 PM
Quote from: bman on August 05, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 02, 2018, 11:20:42 PM
Albright lost a ton.
But they had a great recruiting class as well.  I'm sticking by the 6 wins...:)

Counting on freshmen who have had 19 D-III practices ... hmm
Not at all.  I just think that the program is going in the right direction now.   Given that and the taste of success recently, and 3 (pretty much automatic wins on the schedule) winning 3 additional games might not be an unanswerable call.

Who are those automatics? Miseri, FDU and Wilkes? Albright doesn't have Alvernia and I don't think Wilkes is an automatic.

More on our prognostications coming ... Kickoff '18 goes live tomorrow! Register now if you haven't already!
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2018/06/order-kickoff-2018-now

Hey Pat

Yes, the three automatics (IMO) are Miseri, FDU and Wilkes.   You have more insight than I, but until we see much improvement from Wilkes, it's a fair assumption to make.   I'd almost think that FDU would be more competitive than Wilkes, given the past couple of years.   I haven't read Kickoff yet, but I will, and perhaps I will change my opinion after the read.   Until then I will stay with my pick at 6 would stand forcing them to beat Kings, and 2 of the following: Salisbury, Stevenson, Leb Val, Widener.   I will excuse them for not beating Mary Hardin Baylor or Del Val...:)

Going to get my kickoff now....

Read the MAC kickoff section...sticking to my guns... ;)

Confused about the rankings a bit though...if you could opine on the rankings of Del Val and Widener (without giving away too much) as opposed to how you have them finishing in conference.  It seems a bit incongruous...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2018, 05:20:07 PM
When the preseason ranking comes out, Keith and I are often beholden to the will of the other 23 voters.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 09, 2018, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2018, 05:20:07 PM
When the preseason ranking comes out, Keith and I are often beholden to the will of the other 23 voters.
makes sense
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 11, 2018, 08:17:55 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 07, 2018, 03:00:38 PM
I'll take the UNDER for DelVal as the publications really go from the prior year many times. The Aggies lost both starting safeties, including All-Everything, Shawn Miller. They lost both starting CB's. They also lost ALL FOUR starting linebackers from a killer unit. Not 1, not 2, not 3, (sounds like Lebron when he joined the Heat), but 4. They also lost their anchor in the middle, Mark Issac, a stud football player AND heavyweight wrestler. They return Chris Snowden and Vince Dileo on the defensive side.

On offense, they lost three starting lineman, including two All-MAC first team players, Tyler Sylvester and John Walsh. They lost their top two running backs, including the best RB in the league, Devauntay Ellis. They also lost two of their top three receivers as well as their best punt returner and best kick returner (two separate players). They return a QB, two linemen, the top WR and their two TE's. They do get All-American punter, Steven Adams back for his senior season and I expect his leg to get quite a bit of action this year.

Picking the Aggies to repeat is either insanity, or, you must believe that Stevenson, Albright and Widener are going to be shells of themselves this year. I'll make my prediction in a couple of weeks, but I'm going under, and not by a 1/2 game, or even 1 1/2 games.

Last thing, I believe they are the only team who no longer has patsies, Misericordia and FDU on their schedule for the next two years. There is no way in hell that this was done by a blind draw. No way, no how. :)

I'm also hearing about another loss on the offensive side of the ball. This looks like a year where Widener, Stevenson and a surprise team (Lycoming?................RIP LycoSimba) take advantage of the massive losses at DelVal and beat the Aggies on their home turf (meaning the Aggies play all three on the road). No excuses NOT to this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 11, 2018, 10:16:05 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 11, 2018, 08:17:55 AM

I'm also hearing about another loss on the offensive side of the ball. This looks like a year where Widener, Stevenson and a surprise team (Lycoming?................RIP LycoSimba) take advantage of the massive losses at DelVal and beat the Aggies on their home turf (meaning the Aggies play all three on the road). No excuses NOT to this year.

Is it the one mentioned as a possibility in Kickoff?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 11, 2018, 12:56:46 PM
Pat
Kudo to you and the team for another excellent version of Kickoff this year.   Pass my compliments to the MAC writer.
Great job as always.  I only have about 200 more to read!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 11, 2018, 09:50:12 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on August 07, 2018, 05:51:26 PM
I spoke with Coach Kelly for Kickoff and was really impressed by what he told me they had coming back. I didn't make the final pick in predictions, but I really think the Pride could be in for a big, 2014 like, year.

I agree that Widener is looking exceptionally strong this season. Their defense I believe will be as strong as anyone will find throughout the country. The only question mark I believe will be if there offense has made strides this season to be somewhat of a threat for a possible postseason run. If so, I believe we could see them make as strong of a run as Del Val did last season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 12, 2018, 12:49:36 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 11, 2018, 09:50:12 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on August 07, 2018, 05:51:26 PM
I spoke with Coach Kelly for Kickoff and was really impressed by what he told me they had coming back. I didn't make the final pick in predictions, but I really think the Pride could be in for a big, 2014 like, year.

I agree that Widener is looking exceptionally strong this season. Their defense I believe will be as strong as anyone will find throughout the country. The only question mark I believe will be if there offense has made strides this season to be somewhat of a threat for a possible postseason run. If so, I believe we could see them make as strong of a run as Del Val did last season.
Then things must have significantly changed since my conversation with him in April.   I hope the confidence everyone has written is well founded....
Improved...certainly...12-0...wow. Thats a gutsy prediction....and that will be tested week 1 against Rowan...a team that we have struggled against recently.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 14, 2018, 09:15:21 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason

I couldn't agree more with everything you stated. 

Until I see DVU struggle, I won't believe that they won't be at the top of the standings.
And the QB position has been an issue at WU for a few years now...

Lyco used to have a stranglehold on recruiting the Philly Catholic League, which gave them stellar talent. It gave them an edge...  I need to take a look at their roster to see if that is no longer the case....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 14, 2018, 11:59:49 AM
Quote from: bman on August 14, 2018, 09:15:21 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason

I couldn't agree more with everything you stated. 

Until I see DVU struggle, I won't believe that they won't be at the top of the standings.
And the QB position has been an issue at WU for a few years now...

Lyco used to have a stranglehold on recruiting the Philly Catholic League, which gave them stellar talent. It gave them an edge...  I need to take a look at their roster to see if that is no longer the case....

I do believe that Del Val is at that level where they just reload instead of replace. I just have a hard time seeing them repeating as conference champs after looking at past history and other comparable peers that look to be a threat. Past history suggest it's extremely difficult to repeat. When you throw in the talent that Albright, Stevenson, and Widener field it makes the odds even more unlikely for Del Val. I see this season being one of the most competitive conference races in recent years with at least a four team race.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on August 15, 2018, 04:18:55 PM
Good luck to Wilkes Football this year. Coach Drach will make you all forget about last year, especially with some of those Hobart alums on your coaching staff who know how to win. Listen up Colonels, practice hard and you will be back in the thick of it again.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 15, 2018, 04:30:18 PM
Quote from: Bartman on August 15, 2018, 04:18:55 PM
Good luck to Wilkes Football this year. Coach Drach will make you all forget about last year, especially with some of those Hobart alums on your coaching staff who know how to win. Listen up Colonels, practice hard and you will be back in the thick of it again.
I would think this will take a couple years to turn around...I hope they do though!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 16, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason - There is a MASSIVE difference between guessing, from a distance, that the "cupboard isn't bare" and actually knowing what is in and what's not in the cupboard. It's sort of like being set up on a blind date, where you HOPE that she is as attractive as your friend says that she is vs. actually knowing exactly what she looks like before meeting her ;)

Widener and Stevenson should easily be able to take care of a young and rebuilding DelVal on their respective home fields. It's a mockery this year of that does NOT happen:

- 9 out of 11 defensive starters from last year's team gone, including All-Everything safety Miller, the other safety, both CB's, all 4 LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issak)

- 6 out of 11 offensive starters gone, including the MAC's best running back (Ellis) along with his two primary backup's.........and two All-MAC offensive linemen (Walsh and Sylvester)

- Team's best punt returner (multiple TD's last year) AND team's best kick returner (multiple TD's last year) gone. They are/were two separate players.

- Widener and Stevenson both on the road

- The only team in the MAC to not have perennial lightweight's FDU AND Misericordia NOT on their schedule in 2018 (and looks like 2019 as well)

If the coach at DelVal somehow wins the MAC given ALL of THAT........................not only should he win MAC Coach of the Year, but he should be the D-III Coach of the Year, Doug Pederson's (from the four time World Champion and Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles) heir apparent, a statue should be erected in Doylestown and he should be able to then make the blind see and heal the sick and eventually be cannonized (fellow Catholics will get that one) ;)

This would be the all-time great coaching job in the history of the MAC. They lost the motherlode from last season while several other teams bring back a ton of experienced talent. We'll see how it plays out. That's why they play the games. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 17, 2018, 12:36:52 PM
Here is some exciting news with expansion of the MAC-Centennial Bowl series, which is entering it's forth year. With the expansion to three bowl games, the format was changed to adjust to the expanded series. Read below!

http://gomacsports.com/news/2018/8/16/football-centennial-mac-bowl-series-adds-third-game-in-2018.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on August 17, 2018, 12:38:40 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 17, 2018, 12:36:52 PM
Here is some exciting news with expansion of the MAC-Centennial Bowl series, which is entering it's forth year. With the expansion to three bowl games, the format was changed to adjust to the expanded series. Read below!

http://gomacsports.com/news/2018/8/16/football-centennial-mac-bowl-series-adds-third-game-in-2018.aspx

I wish the ODAC would find a partner to do something like this. What a great last game for seniors!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on August 17, 2018, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 16, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason - There is a MASSIVE difference between guessing, from a distance, that the "cupboard isn't bare" and actually knowing what is in and what's not in the cupboard. It's sort of like being set up on a blind date, where you HOPE that she is as attractive as your friend says that she is vs. actually knowing exactly what she looks like before meeting her ;)

Widener and Stevenson should easily be able to take care of a young and rebuilding DelVal on their respective home fields. It's a mockery this year of that does NOT happen:

- 9 out of 11 defensive starters from last year's team gone, including All-Everything safety Miller, the other safety, both CB's, all 4 LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issak)

- 6 out of 11 offensive starters gone, including the MAC's best running back (Ellis) along with his two primary backup's.........and two All-MAC offensive linemen (Walsh and Sylvester)

- Team's best punt returner (multiple TD's last year) AND team's best kick returner (multiple TD's last year) gone. They are/were two separate players.

- Widener and Stevenson both on the road

- The only team in the MAC to not have perennial lightweight's FDU AND Misericordia NOT on their schedule in 2018 (and looks like 2019 as well)

If the coach at DelVal somehow wins the MAC given ALL of THAT........................not only should he win MAC Coach of the Year, but he should be the D-III Coach of the Year, Doug Pederson's (from the four time World Champion and Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles) heir apparent, a statue should be erected in Doylestown and he should be able to then make the blind see and heal the sick and eventually be cannonized (fellow Catholics will get that one) ;)

This would be the all-time great coaching job in the history of the MAC. They lost the motherlode from last season while several other teams bring back a ton of experienced talent. We'll see how it plays out. That's why they play the games. :)

This is a great ****ing post...especially the last two paragraphs...+k
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on August 17, 2018, 04:06:02 PM
Quote from: dlip on August 17, 2018, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 16, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason - There is a MASSIVE difference between guessing, from a distance, that the "cupboard isn't bare" and actually knowing what is in and what's not in the cupboard. It's sort of like being set up on a blind date, where you HOPE that she is as attractive as your friend says that she is vs. actually knowing exactly what she looks like before meeting her ;)

Widener and Stevenson should easily be able to take care of a young and rebuilding DelVal on their respective home fields. It's a mockery this year of that does NOT happen:

- 9 out of 11 defensive starters from last year's team gone, including All-Everything safety Miller, the other safety, both CB's, all 4 LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issak)

- 6 out of 11 offensive starters gone, including the MAC's best running back (Ellis) along with his two primary backup's.........and two All-MAC offensive linemen (Walsh and Sylvester)

- Team's best punt returner (multiple TD's last year) AND team's best kick returner (multiple TD's last year) gone. They are/were two separate players.

- Widener and Stevenson both on the road

- The only team in the MAC to not have perennial lightweight's FDU AND Misericordia NOT on their schedule in 2018 (and looks like 2019 as well)

If the coach at DelVal somehow wins the MAC given ALL of THAT........................not only should he win MAC Coach of the Year, but he should be the D-III Coach of the Year, Doug Pederson's (from the four time World Champion and Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles) heir apparent, a statue should be erected in Doylestown and he should be able to then make the blind see and heal the sick and eventually be cannonized (fellow Catholics will get that one) ;)

This would be the all-time great coaching job in the history of the MAC. They lost the motherlode from last season while several other teams bring back a ton of experienced talent. We'll see how it plays out. That's why they play the games. :)

This is a great ****ing post...especially the last two paragraphs...+k

jm never afraid to take a stand... :)

The Aggies have over 60 upperclassmen back. They have been to a postseason game every since 2003 except one. Their coaching staff develops players well because, you are right, Duke and his staff are good coaches.

I predicted that they would be in the mix until the last game of the season. This hardly sounds like a stretch.They beat Widener by five touchdowns last season and Stevenson by three touchdowns.

And actually, I am not really that far away. I could be there in 1:45, if the traffic on the Blue Route is good.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 18, 2018, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: jknezek on August 17, 2018, 12:38:40 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 17, 2018, 12:36:52 PM
Here is some exciting news with expansion of the MAC-Centennial Bowl series, which is entering it's forth year. With the expansion to three bowl games, the format was changed to adjust to the expanded series. Read below!

http://gomacsports.com/news/2018/8/16/football-centennial-mac-bowl-series-adds-third-game-in-2018.aspx

I wish the ODAC would find a partner to do something like this. What a great last game for seniors!

I recall last fall that someone posted on this board curious as why the series didn't matchup #1 vs. #1, #2 vs. #2, and etc. So it's great to see that idea incorporated into this expanded series. The series has been a great model for other conferences to implement  another opportunity for teams around the country. Overall, the series provides great matchups with donations to an outstanding organization!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 20, 2018, 01:51:26 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 17, 2018, 04:06:02 PM
Quote from: dlip on August 17, 2018, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 16, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason - There is a MASSIVE difference between guessing, from a distance, that the "cupboard isn't bare" and actually knowing what is in and what's not in the cupboard. It's sort of like being set up on a blind date, where you HOPE that she is as attractive as your friend says that she is vs. actually knowing exactly what she looks like before meeting her ;)

Widener and Stevenson should easily be able to take care of a young and rebuilding DelVal on their respective home fields. It's a mockery this year of that does NOT happen:

- 9 out of 11 defensive starters from last year's team gone, including All-Everything safety Miller, the other safety, both CB's, all 4 LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issak)

- 6 out of 11 offensive starters gone, including the MAC's best running back (Ellis) along with his two primary backup's.........and two All-MAC offensive linemen (Walsh and Sylvester)

- Team's best punt returner (multiple TD's last year) AND team's best kick returner (multiple TD's last year) gone. They are/were two separate players.

- Widener and Stevenson both on the road

- The only team in the MAC to not have perennial lightweight's FDU AND Misericordia NOT on their schedule in 2018 (and looks like 2019 as well)

If the coach at DelVal somehow wins the MAC given ALL of THAT........................not only should he win MAC Coach of the Year, but he should be the D-III Coach of the Year, Doug Pederson's (from the four time World Champion and Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles) heir apparent, a statue should be erected in Doylestown and he should be able to then make the blind see and heal the sick and eventually be cannonized (fellow Catholics will get that one) ;)

This would be the all-time great coaching job in the history of the MAC. They lost the motherlode from last season while several other teams bring back a ton of experienced talent. We'll see how it plays out. That's why they play the games. :)

This is a great ****ing post...especially the last two paragraphs...+k

jm never afraid to take a stand... :)

The Aggies have over 60 upperclassmen back. They have been to a postseason game every since 2003 except one. Their coaching staff develops players well because, you are right, Duke and his staff are good coaches.

I predicted that they would be in the mix until the last game of the season. This hardly sounds like a stretch.They beat Widener by five touchdowns last season and Stevenson by three touchdowns.

And actually, I am not really that far away. I could be there in 1:45, if the traffic on the Blue Route is good.  ;D

Jason - You are better than that :)

In the Stevenson game (the one, at HOME, where the Aggies won by three touchdowns), the game started with an 87 yard game opening kickoff return from stud returner and scatback, LaQuille Nesbitt. He is NOT back with the team this year. The scoring ended with a 53 yard punt return by Vinnie Nelson, one of three this speedster had for the year. He is NOT back with the team. In between the opening kickoff return by the player who is NOT back and the punt return by the player who is NOT back, it was a 13 - 7 game. Additionally, stud running back (the best in the MAC), DeVauntay Ellis, rushed for 95 yards against that stout Stevenson defense. he has graduated. His backup, Khalil Roane, is NOT back. The third running back, Ryan Wharton (two 80 yard TD runs at Misericordia last year) and blazing speed, is NOT back. The senior laden Aggies defense (with 9 or 11 starters gone) had 2 sacks, forced 2 fumbles and intercepted 2 Williams passes and only gave up 51 yards on 22 rushing attempts. One must peel back the layers of an onion......................vs. just looking at a score :)

In the Widener game (another HOME game, where the Aggies won by five touchdowns), the Aggies rushed for 366 net yards. Khalil Roane had 106 yards. DeVauntay Ellis had 75 and Ryan Wharton had 28 yards. That is 209 yards from their TOP THREE RB's.........who are all gone. Darden ran for 133 yards,but he had three RB options (who are gone) and many of the yards were after the game was decided. Widener's freshman QB threw 4 picks and their RB's ran for -9 YARDS IN 28 ATTEMPTS against the stout, senior laden defense. Widener also recovered 3 of their own fumbles. Once that snowball started rolling downhill, Widener had their bags packed and the busses running.

Both teams get the Aggies at home. Both teams have MUCH more coming back (or lost one hell of a lot less) than the Aggies and both are pissed at the azz whooping's that they received. Bringing 60 underclassmen back is good on the surface, but you have to look at the underclassmen who are not back (huge losses) and the number of starters coming back for both Widener and Stevenson.

Also remember, there are only 8 MAC games this year so the margin for error is a little smaller.........................and made even yet a bit smaller with the Aggies being the only team in the MAC to not have the 2 gimme wins on the schedule this year in Misericordia and FDU. Three of the final four games are on the road and they have a tough, physical and experienced (and pissed having lost two in a row to the Aggies) Wesley team to start the year, followed by a trip to Massachusetts for the second game of the year.

I'll go as far as to say that if the Aggies are even in contention for the MAC Championship leading into the final game of the year at Widener, Coach Greko should be the Coach of the Year regardless of the outcome. The MAC poll that just came out predicting the Aggies to win the MAC is comical. I've had coaches tell me they actually make the picks to put a target on certain team's back. The coaches also have no idea, at this point, of the number of key underclassmen who are not back.

I wasn't insinuating that you are "not close" meaning geography. It was more about the proximity to information, not geography. My buddy was at the Aggies scrimmage on Saturday and said that if the reconstructed offensive line (lost 3 starters, 2 All-MAC players) can give Darden time, they have receiving weapons BUT at this time, they have no running game whatsoever. Defensively, you can't lose both safeties (including an All-American, Miller), both CB's and the heir apparent (Prevard), all four linebackers and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler and think that you are going to be as good as last year. The Aggies four LB's averaged 238 pounds last year, INCLUDING one who weighed 215 soaking wet. That was BIGGER than the LB core's of 21 NFL teams!! This group is about 30 pounds lighter per player.

The other MAC teams need to take advantage of this window this year and next before Coach loads up again!

I wish that I could monetize this knowledge.................and these opinions. ;)

 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 20, 2018, 02:19:50 PM
JM

Good post with excellent analysis and explanation of why Del Val will struggle to repeat as MAC champs (something that hasn't been done since 2011). People need to dig deeper than the final box score to understand how everything unfolded to make an accurate forecast. The lost that Del Val lost will hurt this season, but I do still expect them to battle for position in the top 3 of the MAC. In regards to the MAC preseason poll, I see some similarity to what I predict with a few exceptions! I'll post my preseason conference prediction later this week.

MAC preseason poll: http://gomacsports.com/news/2018/8/20/aggies-picked-to-repeat-in-mac-football-coaches-preseason-poll.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 20, 2018, 08:23:02 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 20, 2018, 02:19:50 PM
JM

Good post with excellent analysis and explanation of why Del Val will struggle to repeat as MAC champs (something that hasn't been done since 2011). People need to dig deeper than the final box score to understand how everything unfolded to make an accurate forecast. The lost that Del Val lost will hurt this season, but I do still expect them to battle for position in the top 3 of the MAC. In regards to the MAC preseason poll, I see some similarity to what I predict with a few exceptions! I'll post my preseason conference prediction later this week.

MAC preseason poll: http://gomacsports.com/news/2018/8/20/aggies-picked-to-repeat-in-mac-football-coaches-preseason-poll.aspx

Clearly the coaches aren't peeling the onion either... ;D

2018 MAC Football Coaches' Preseason Poll
Rank Team Points              (1st Place Votes)
1 Delaware Valley                 98 (8)
2 Stevenson                         88 (2)
3 Widener                            79 (1)
4 Albright                             73 
5 Lycoming                          64 
6 Lebanon Valley                  59 
7 King's                               48 
8 FDU-Florham                     30 
9 Wilkes                               29 
10 Misericordia                     25 
11 Alvernia                           12
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 21, 2018, 08:18:03 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 20, 2018, 01:51:26 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 17, 2018, 04:06:02 PM
Quote from: dlip on August 17, 2018, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 16, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason - There is a MASSIVE difference between guessing, from a distance, that the "cupboard isn't bare" and actually knowing what is in and what's not in the cupboard. It's sort of like being set up on a blind date, where you HOPE that she is as attractive as your friend says that she is vs. actually knowing exactly what she looks like before meeting her ;)

Widener and Stevenson should easily be able to take care of a young and rebuilding DelVal on their respective home fields. It's a mockery this year of that does NOT happen:

- 9 out of 11 defensive starters from last year's team gone, including All-Everything safety Miller, the other safety, both CB's, all 4 LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issak)

- 6 out of 11 offensive starters gone, including the MAC's best running back (Ellis) along with his two primary backup's.........and two All-MAC offensive linemen (Walsh and Sylvester)

- Team's best punt returner (multiple TD's last year) AND team's best kick returner (multiple TD's last year) gone. They are/were two separate players.

- Widener and Stevenson both on the road

- The only team in the MAC to not have perennial lightweight's FDU AND Misericordia NOT on their schedule in 2018 (and looks like 2019 as well)

If the coach at DelVal somehow wins the MAC given ALL of THAT........................not only should he win MAC Coach of the Year, but he should be the D-III Coach of the Year, Doug Pederson's (from the four time World Champion and Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles) heir apparent, a statue should be erected in Doylestown and he should be able to then make the blind see and heal the sick and eventually be cannonized (fellow Catholics will get that one) ;)

This would be the all-time great coaching job in the history of the MAC. They lost the motherlode from last season while several other teams bring back a ton of experienced talent. We'll see how it plays out. That's why they play the games. :)

This is a great ****ing post...especially the last two paragraphs...+k

jm never afraid to take a stand... :)

The Aggies have over 60 upperclassmen back. They have been to a postseason game every since 2003 except one. Their coaching staff develops players well because, you are right, Duke and his staff are good coaches.

I predicted that they would be in the mix until the last game of the season. This hardly sounds like a stretch.They beat Widener by five touchdowns last season and Stevenson by three touchdowns.

And actually, I am not really that far away. I could be there in 1:45, if the traffic on the Blue Route is good.  ;D


I wish that I could monetize this knowledge.................and these opinions. ;)



JM  You should be the sideline reporter for the DVU Broadcasts....Maybe Gordon would welcome it and you would make a great team!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 21, 2018, 08:25:56 AM
One last thought since I am on a roll this morning!

A couple of years ago, I questioned why WU doesn't post their roster like many of the schools.  Coach Kelly let me know (he pretty much chastised me  ;) in a nice way) on why, which is he wants to see the commits in camp, and then that they make it through camp, prior to publishing.
Makes total sense, and an honorable thing.
It just tortures me though at this time of year, since I'm not an insider anymore and this is the time of year that I am most excited and want to know how things are going...
Since I don't have time to make it up to Chester much, I have to rely on tidbits of info from my still connected buddies, and of course, D3football.com  ;)


Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on August 21, 2018, 10:01:19 AM
Can't wait for Aug 30 to watch Rowan vs Widener. It has turned into a good rivalry.

With the NJAC losing 2 teams next year, I'm curious how Rowan will respond with scheduling games.  It may lead to more match-ups with MAC schools.

Best of luck to all of the MAC teams in the upcoming season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 21, 2018, 11:17:12 AM
Quote from: RowanPhan on August 21, 2018, 10:01:19 AM
Can't wait for Aug 30 to watch Rowan vs Widener. It has turned into a good rivalry.

With the NJAC losing 2 teams next year, I'm curious how Rowan will respond with scheduling games.  It may lead to more match-ups with MAC schools.

Best of luck to all of the MAC teams in the upcoming season.

RowanPhan
Agree...I just wish it wasn't week 1 which kills me since I ALWAYS seem to have a conflict (which I do again this year)... ugh!

I think given the proximity and similar nature of the athletic programs having the MAC and NJAC play more often is a great thing...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ColbyFootball on August 21, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
Two players to watch on Del Val are the Nobile twins, Anthony and Michael. You are going to love what those two bring to the football field.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 21, 2018, 01:31:33 PM
Quote from: ColbyFootball on August 21, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
Two players to watch on Del Val are the Nobile twins, Anthony and Michael. You are going to love what those two bring to the football field.


Unless you are everybody else in the MAC.... ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 22, 2018, 01:37:58 PM
QuoteJM  You should be the sideline reporter for the DVU Broadcasts....Maybe Gordon would welcome it and you would make a great team!

I'm good with that!  He could be the Howard Eskin to my Merrill Reese. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 26, 2018, 09:59:05 AM
RIP to Senator McCain :'(
Regardless of political affiliation, the man always did his best to make America better.

...now back to football...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MUC57 on August 26, 2018, 10:17:57 AM
bman

Amen. Good for you. Nice mention of a true American hero. And a + k.
RIP Senator McCain! 🇺🇸
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 26, 2018, 10:19:12 PM
Very unfortunate loss for every person to call this country home as we all lost a wonderful man with an impactful voice with no fear of retribution for standing by his principles regardless of party conformity. John McCain's service to this country is forever engraved within our great U.S. history and has set the standard for what our government needs to be!

R.I.P Senator McCain
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 27, 2018, 11:18:37 AM
Below are a few links to season previews for my Stevenson Mustangs! I'm so excited for the season to kickoff this week it's hard to focus on anything else. I plan to post my conference prediction the hopefully sometime tonight; otherwise, it will be by mid-week.

http://gomustangsports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/20180824-preview

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2018/08/15/stevenson-football-preview
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: dlippiel on August 27, 2018, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 27, 2018, 11:18:37 AM
Below are a few links to season previews for my Stevenson Mustangs! I'm so excited for the season to kickoff this week it's hard to focus on anything else. I plan to post my conference prediction the hopefully sometime tonight; otherwise, it will be by mid-week.

http://gomustangsports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/20180824-preview

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2018/08/15/stevenson-football-preview

Cool to have a pumped Stevenson poster here. +k
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on August 27, 2018, 05:03:23 PM
Looking forward to a great match-up against Albright, we have had some close ones and not so close ones in the past. I think the game will be a good measuring stick on how teams look to improve from prior year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 27, 2018, 10:36:53 PM
2018 MAC FOOTBALL SEASON PREDICTION

Tier I (Championship Contender)
1. Widener
2. Stevenson
3. Del Val

Tier II (Dark Horse)
4. Albright

Tier III (Early Season Contender)
5. Lycoming

Tier IV (Middle of the Pack)
6. Lebanon Valley
7. King's
8. FDU-Florham

Tier V (Bottom Feeder)
9. Misericordia
10. Wilkes
11. Alvernia

This season the schedule aligns for Widener to make claim for MAC championship, which they haven't been since 2014. Their defense will be a brick wall that will scare many conference opponents into playing sloppy. The largest threat to this team is their own offense putting the defense in short yardage situations. Stevenson will be a close contender as they could potential steal the 2018 championship if they survive a tough potential early championship game October 13th in Chester, PA. Del Val has history working against them as the last previous conference champ to repeat was them in 2011. The additional difficulty of visiting contenders this season adds to the unlikely odds. Albright schedule is straight up brutal as they have an unbelievable first two games against Salisbury and UMHB. If they finish above .500 it will be an accomplishment. The rest of the conference will be the traditional shuffle of the middle of the pack teams vying for position in the top half of conference standings. Alvernia adds intrigue as they start their first season of MAC play. Share your thoughts and let's get this 2018 season started!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on August 27, 2018, 10:48:55 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 27, 2018, 10:36:53 PM
2018 MAC FOOTBALL SEASON PREDICTION

Tier I (Championship Contender)
1. Widener
2. Stevenson
3. Del Val
This is an awesome break-down. Appreciate the post.  Looks like the Profs have their hands full with Widener this week.  Rowan's offense was pathetic last week and they're kicking off the season with last year's JV QB as the new starter. Like Widener, Rowan's defense is the team's strength with a strong DL, deep LB crew, and play makers in the DB positions. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 28, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
Tweis

Will steal your rankings, but modify them.

2018 MAC FOOTBALL SEASON PREDICTION

Tier I (Championship Contender)
1. Widener
2. Stevenson


Tier II (Middle of the Pack)

3. Lycoming - only a guess.  They could easily be 7th...
4. Albright -
5. Del Val - only going on JM's word here....
6. Lebanon Valley - they just seem to lose games at the worst times...

Tier III (Not quite bottom feeding)

7. King's  - only a guess
8. FDU-Florham

Tier V (Bottom Feeder)
9.   Misericordia
10. Wilkes - late this year and next year I am thinking Wilkes will start to rebound with the new coach...
11. Alvernia- this may be the last year I rank Alvernia this low.   They have a good QB and some good transfers.   
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 29, 2018, 10:10:39 AM
Will throw this out there for fun, since there is never enough participation for a formal pick'em

Frostburg State 35   @  Stevenson 21         I think Frostburg will be a bit too much...
Rowan 14                @    Widener  21         Rowan scores a defensive TD as normal to win  the typical defensive battle between these 2.   QB a question mark between
                                                                both teams, and the score can easily be reversed.
Delaware Valley 13  @  Wesley   38             Sorry JM
TCNJ   35                @   FDU-Florham   27   FDU will score, but too much depth and returning starters for FDU to overcome.
Albright 14              @   Salisbury  31         Albright a good young team, but will need more seasoning to beat Salisbury, who will lean on it's O-line early in               
                                                                the season...   
Merchant Marine  21 @    Misericordia   31   Misericordia the edge due to Merchant Marine needing to replace most of its offense...and being inland...😊
King's 17                 @   20 Moravian          This should be a battle, but still need to go with Moravian here..   
Gallaudet  30           @   Alvernia  14           I want to say Alvernia here...but can't  ;)Gallaudet has a good QB and O line...
Susquehanna   21    @    Lycoming   21    Why not....
Hartwick 30             @  Wilkes  16              (3 field goals for Wilkes)...I think we will seriously be considering Wilkes in the mix for the MAC 3 years from now...but not   
                                                                today...
Lebanon Valley  23  @   F&M 41                  No shame in this loss.. F&M is very good      
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 29, 2018, 05:22:25 PM
Below are my week 1 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 1 Predictions

#10 Frostburg St. (-18.5) @ Stevenson: Frostburg St. wins by 7

Rowan @ Widener (-6.5): Widener wins by 6

#5 Del Val (-0.5) @ #9 Wesley: Wesley wins by 3

TCNJ (-7.5) @ FDU: TCNJ wins by 7

Albright @ Salisbury (-13.5): Salisbury wins by 14

Merchant Marine (-11.5) @ Misericordia: Merchant Marine wins by 13

King's @ Moravian (-4.5): Moravian wins by 3

Gallaudet (-3.5) @ Alvernia: Gallaudet wins by 3

Susquehanna (-9.5) @ Lycoming: Susquehanna wins by 7

Hartwick (-13.5) @ Wilkes: Hartwick wins by 10

Leb Val @ #24 Franklin & Marshall (-21.5): Franklin & Marshall wins by 24

Prediction Record
Career: 43-18 (.705)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 29, 2018, 05:44:45 PM
Quote from: bman on August 28, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
Tweis

Will steal your rankings, but modify them.

2018 MAC FOOTBALL SEASON PREDICTION

Tier I (Championship Contender)
1. Widener
2. Stevenson


Tier II (Middle of the Pack)

3. Lycoming - only a guess.  They could easily be 7th...
4. Albright -
5. Del Val - only going on JM's word here....
6. Lebanon Valley - they just seem to lose games at the worst times...

Tier III (Not quite bottom feeding)

7. King's  - only a guess
8. FDU-Florham

Tier V (Bottom Feeder)
9.   Misericordia
10. Wilkes - late this year and next year I am thinking Wilkes will start to rebound with the new coach...
11. Alvernia- this may be the last year I rank Alvernia this low.   They have a good QB and some good transfers.

bman

I'm surprised by the vast area Alvernia has covered to recruit for their program. I didn't think they would search the entire east coast the first year as a team. I'm hopeful your beliefs about Alvernia and Wilkes occur as I'm wishful for all programs within the conference to improve their competitiveness. A more competitive MAC top down is better for everyone as iron sharpens iron!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 29, 2018, 05:50:50 PM
Quote from: dlip on August 27, 2018, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 27, 2018, 11:18:37 AM
Below are a few links to season previews for my Stevenson Mustangs! I'm so excited for the season to kickoff this week it's hard to focus on anything else. I plan to post my conference prediction the hopefully sometime tonight; otherwise, it will be by mid-week.

http://gomustangsports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/20180824-preview

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2018/08/15/stevenson-football-preview

Cool to have a pumped Stevenson poster here. +k

I bleed Stevenson colors as anyone who knows me understand that I'm just as passionate about my Mustangs as any D1 fan, including the Crimson Tide fanatics! Thanks for the +k
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2018, 10:12:42 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 29, 2018, 05:44:45 PM

I'm surprised by the vast area Alvernia has covered to recruit for their program. I didn't think they would search the entire east coast the first year as a team.

I think that's a stretch. Lots of kids from their area of PA and a bunch of kids from the DC area where Clark has lots of ties.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on August 30, 2018, 06:53:19 AM

Tier I (Championship Contender)
1. Widener
2. Stevenson
3. Del Val

Wideners defense will win the day again but the offense should be much better this year without the former OC Matsakis. I never understood what Coach Kelly saw in him at all. They have two experienced junior QB's, McGaughey is more of a pocket passer and Jesperson more of a duel threat but both should be much better with out Matsakis tying them up in knots. The guy drove Klein crazy.  I'm excited to see what Coach Kelly can do running the offense this year. Should be a great year for the Pride!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 30, 2018, 08:38:21 AM
I'm definitely interested in seeing the QB play this year.   Hopefully it plays out as you predict.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on August 30, 2018, 01:24:15 PM
It's GameDay! My Stevenson Mustangs have an opportunity to send a statement tonight facing a very difficult and future D2 opponent Frostburg State. I hope my week 1 prediction for this game is wrong as I would love to see the upset and put the rest of the teams this season on notice. It's not impossible for it to happen; especially being home. Below is the link to the pregame preview with good information on the matchup along with the depth chart if you click on the pdf.

http://gomustangsports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/releases/20180829oqo088

Go Mustangs!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on August 31, 2018, 12:29:39 AM
Just got home after watching the game and meeting up with my gal (Senior year...where did time go). Here are my thoughts on the game:

Does Frostburg live up to the 8th ranking? I'd say yes but they definitely are beatable. They did at times have issues stopping Stevenson's run, if the runners had made some better choices (cutting a bit more outside instead of going toward center, there were spots to gain some significant additional yardage.
That being said if Stevenson has to rely on its defense, and that is supposed to be the better of the 2 sides given the mass graduation of the offense; it could turn into a long year. Frostburg ran over top of them with multiple runners. I give the Frostburg play calling an A especially in the 1st half with the mix of pass and run. The long bomb certainly hurt Stevenson 3-6 times but otherwise they did well at least in that respect. Special teams for Stevenson was a nightmare and they better figure it out quickly. Too many drives for Frostburg started in shorter fields due to massive returns from lack of tackling or not maintain lanes; or the bomb would get Frostburg out of the hole.

That being said, this was a nice test and Frostburg looked everything like they were ready for next year move to D2. Hopefully, they find a fire cause the Mustangs looked like they were flat and played like no chance and no spark. Frostburg had everything to lose with the ranking and being upset while the 'stangs had nothing to lose if they played hard and left it out there like there was nothing to lose.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on August 31, 2018, 08:33:44 AM
If Widener is going to win the MAC they better fix special teams real quick.  2 kickoff returns, a blocked punt, a missed field goal, failed to cover the gunner on a punt, luckily for them Rowan did not go to the auto fake in that situation, and several other kickoff returns that were not covered well.  Positive on the special teams, the punter is good.  All of that mess and a QB who was very erratic and a missed field goal away from still winning the game in regulation.  2 nice running backs and Gillespie is a real nice receiver.  Defense was ok, except for the 80 yard TD run after the play was all bottled up, cant let the happen.  Gave up too many rushing yards but will probably not see a running back group like Rowan has at any time the rest of the year.  They looked like the better team, but that doesnt matter with all the mistakes they made.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Western PA Football on August 31, 2018, 12:07:03 PM
Widener's defense is a bit over-rated! Poor tackling, Wr's got behind the secondary consistently. RB's ripped off several big runs. Rowan ran the same 5 or 6 plays all night Widener struggled stopping them.

Offensively #2 was impressive
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on August 31, 2018, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on August 31, 2018, 08:33:44 AM
If Widener is going to win the MAC they better fix special teams real quick.  2 kickoff returns, a blocked punt, a missed field goal, failed to cover the gunner on a punt, luckily for them Rowan did not go to the auto fake in that situation, and several other kickoff returns that were not covered well.  Positive on the special teams, the punter is good.  All of that mess and a QB who was very erratic and a missed field goal away from still winning the game in regulation.  2 nice running backs and Gillespie is a real nice receiver.  Defense was ok, except for the 80 yard TD run after the play was all bottled up, cant let the happen.  Gave up too many rushing yards but will probably not see a running back group like Rowan has at any time the rest of the year.  They looked like the better team, but that doesnt matter with all the mistakes they made.
Rowan made a ton of mistake too. Widener was clearly the better team in the 1st half, but the profs were gritty and held on. 

Rowan's DL is under-rated, they had a solid game. The Profs have a bunch of dogs in the line backing corp. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 01, 2018, 07:30:02 AM
To all of those who doubted me and my "inside sources" regarding this year's Aggies team..................You DO NOT lose the best safety in the East (Miller) and his starting counterpart, both starting CB's (and the #1 backup), ALL FOUR starting LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issac) (total loss= 9 of 11 defensive starters)...................as well as the top RB in the MAC (Ellis), his two primary backups (Rhoane and Wharton), three starting OL's (including two All-MAC honoree's, Walsh and Sylvester), their best WR (Ellis) (total loss= 6 of 11 offensive starters)................as well as the MAC's most dynamic punt returner (V. Nelson) and kick returner (Nesbitt) and compete with a team like Wesley, on the road, with all that they have coming back (including 7 All-NJAC performers), double revenge for the consecutive losses to DelVal AND the emotion of playing the game (and season) for Coach Drass.

If Widener and Stevenson (both of whom have the Aggies on their home turf) as well as Albright and Lycoming (who come to Doylestown) don't take advantage of this very rare down year in Doylestown, before the Aggies get the chance to really reload (along with a defense that is only starting two seniors), then shame on them...........especially Widener and Stevenson!!!

How do I monetize this brilliance? ;) I'd ask Lycosimba, but he won't reappear until Lycoming is at the top of the MAC again. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 01, 2018, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 01, 2018, 07:30:02 AM
To all of those who doubted me and my "inside sources" regarding this year's Aggies team..................You DO NOT lose the best safety in the East (Miller) and his starting counterpart, both starting CB's (and the #1 backup), ALL FOUR starting LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issac) (total loss= 9 of 11 defensive starters)...................as well as the top RB in the MAC (Ellis), his two primary backups (Rhoane and Wharton), three starting OL's (including two All-MAC honoree's, Walsh and Sylvester), their best WR (Ellis) (total loss= 6 of 11 offensive starters)................as well as the MAC's most dynamic punt returner (V. Nelson) and kick returner (Nesbitt) and compete with a team like Wesley, on the road, with all that they have coming back (including 7 All-NJAC performers), double revenge for the consecutive losses to DelVal AND the emotion of playing the game (and season) for Coach Drass.

If Widener and Stevenson (both of whom have the Aggies on their home turf) as well as Albright and Lycoming (who come to Doylestown) don't take advantage of this very rare down year in Doylestown, before the Aggies get the chance to really reload (along with a defense that is only starting two seniors), then shame on them...........especially Widener and Stevenson!!!

How do I monetize this brilliance? ;) I'd ask Lycosimba, but he won't reappear until Lycoming is at the top of the MAC again. :)

JM
I didn't doubt your original commentary, as you can see both in my MAC predictions and my top 25 vote.   I did watch a good amount of the game last night, and though you are absolutely correct in the impact of losing those players, Del Val was pretty competitive last night against a very good Wesley team.
Wesley as normal, hurt itself with senseless/lack of discipline penalties, but in looking at the performance aspect only, DV was able to move the ball, did compete defensively (big plays and the mid passing game needed work), and made a game of it until mid/late 3rd quarter.

Despite the losses, things are not as dire in Doylestown as you predict.

I also watched a good portion of the Albright game last night.
Albright was competitive but lack of a running game, and the inability to stop the inside run absolutely doomed them.  I was waiting for an adjustment to add a man or perhaps go to a 4-4 to eliminate the QB/Superback dive (which makes SU very one dimensional), but Albright never did it...

FDU saves the MAC from an early NJAC sweep with a dominating performance against TCNJ.  TCNJ is a Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde team.   After losing early last year they played great at the end of the year, and seemed poised to bring that back this year.   They looked bad...but FDU looked good.  They dominated the game and the QB for FDU played great.   Not quite the 500 yd. offensive output from last year, but if FDU plays every week like they have in the last 2 first weeks, then they will be very competitive...
Hopefully I will get to see some of todays games....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Western PA Football on September 01, 2018, 10:15:51 AM
IMO Del Val did not look as bad as you predicted. I was impressed with the young defense. They made plays and kept Del Val in the game. Offensively the DVU O-Line struggled with Wesley's defensive line. Wesley is a very talented team. And there defensive game plan was superb. Del Val had several opportunities to take the lead or tie the game....... I think the game would have been a lot closer if DVU would have chosen to kick field goals instead of going for it several times on 4th down. DVU did show up for 3 quarters but I think the inexperience really surfaced in 4th quarter. Nonetheless it was a very competitive game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 01, 2018, 10:32:13 AM
Quote from: Western PA Football on September 01, 2018, 10:15:51 AM
IMO Del Val did not look as bad as you predicted. I was impressed with the young defense. They made plays and kept Del Val in the game. Offensively the DVU O-Line struggled with Wesley's defensive line. Wesley is a very talented team. And there defensive game plan was superb. Del Val had several opportunities to take the lead or tie the game....... I think the game would have been a lot closer if DVU would have chosen to kick field goals instead of going for it several times on 4th down. DVU did show up for 3 quarters but I think the inexperience really surfaced in 4th quarter. Nonetheless it was a very competitive game.

Getting stuffed at the 1 on 4th and goal really hurt them IMO
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 01, 2018, 03:32:33 PM
Particularly since it was followed a 99-yard drive (helped by a roughing the punter penalty) that culminated in a TD.

I was impressed with some of the young DVU players. Simmons and Strothers both ran the ball better than I expected and the Nobile brothers are studs. Michael had 15 stops, 2 TFL and 2 forced fumbles in his first game. I can't remember a more impressive defensive debut by a freshman. His brother had six stops and 1.5 sacks.

I'll take four more years of that, please.

Secondary has to play way better. Burroughs made a perfect throw on the first TD to Kemp but the second was totally blown coverage and the third one to Peele looked bad, too.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on September 01, 2018, 06:59:21 PM
In attendance at the Del Val game last night and I definitely didn't see the doom and gloom that some were predicting.  The kids came out with a lot of intensity ready to play. I'm sure the element delays and the hour +ride played a minor roll in their performance, but it seems like in big games like this the coaches don't know when to be cautious vs letting it all ride.  Pound for pound Wesley was a bigger, better team, but Del Val had some opportunities to take control of that game. The OLine, QB, and DBack play needs some tweaking. but if we're basing the season on week 1; having watched Widener and Stevenson I'm not counting Del Val out for a MAC repeat just yet.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on September 01, 2018, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Western PA Football on August 31, 2018, 12:07:03 PM
Widener's defense is a bit over-rated! Poor tackling, Wr's got behind the secondary consistently. RB's ripped off several big runs. Rowan ran the same 5 or 6 plays all night Widener struggled stopping them.

Offensively #2 was impressive
In a recap article, Widener's coach sounded a bit salty. 

"We beat them offensively and we beat them defensively and our special teams completely folded up," Kelly said. "I can't explain until I see the tape what the heck happened on those kickoff returns. If you take the kickoff returns away, we're celebrating a half-hour ago."

Widener was without All-America defensive tackle Vince Char.

"That hurt us because their running backs are very patient," Kelly said. "They wait and wait and find that crease and hit it. With Vince in there they don't have that time to wait."


https://www.delcotimes.com/sports/rowan-tops-widener-in-double-overtime/article_e50235c6-aca8-11e8-84f1-5f27fb8b10ef.html
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 01, 2018, 10:28:58 PM
Quote from: RowanPhan on September 01, 2018, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Western PA Football on August 31, 2018, 12:07:03 PM
Widener's defense is a bit over-rated! Poor tackling, Wr's got behind the secondary consistently. RB's ripped off several big runs. Rowan ran the same 5 or 6 plays all night Widener struggled stopping them.

Offensively #2 was impressive
In a recap article, Widener's coach sounded a bit salty. 

"We beat them offensively and we beat them defensively and our special teams completely folded up," Kelly said. "I can't explain until I see the tape what the heck happened on those kickoff returns. If you take the kickoff returns away, we're celebrating a half-hour ago."

Widener was without All-America defensive tackle Vince Char.

"That hurt us because their running backs are very patient," Kelly said. "They wait and wait and find that crease and hit it. With Vince in there they don't have that time to wait."


https://www.delcotimes.com/sports/rowan-tops-widener-in-double-overtime/article_e50235c6-aca8-11e8-84f1-5f27fb8b10ef.html

Rowan Phan, he is correct on all points, except in the end they lost.  And as the coach he should accept that and take the blame since it is his job to get the team ready to play and the special teams were atrocious.  Hard to argue his points if they hit the field goal at the end of the game they win.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 02, 2018, 01:04:11 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 01, 2018, 10:28:58 PM
Quote from: RowanPhan on September 01, 2018, 08:07:40 PM
Quote from: Western PA Football on August 31, 2018, 12:07:03 PM
Widener's defense is a bit over-rated! Poor tackling, Wr's got behind the secondary consistently. RB's ripped off several big runs. Rowan ran the same 5 or 6 plays all night Widener struggled stopping them.

Offensively #2 was impressive
In a recap article, Widener's coach sounded a bit salty. 

"We beat them offensively and we beat them defensively and our special teams completely folded up," Kelly said. "I can't explain until I see the tape what the heck happened on those kickoff returns. If you take the kickoff returns away, we're celebrating a half-hour ago."

Widener was without All-America defensive tackle Vince Char.

"That hurt us because their running backs are very patient," Kelly said. "They wait and wait and find that crease and hit it. With Vince in there they don't have that time to wait."


https://www.delcotimes.com/sports/rowan-tops-widener-in-double-overtime/article_e50235c6-aca8-11e8-84f1-5f27fb8b10ef.html

Rowan Phan, he is correct on all points, except in the end they lost.  And as the coach he should accept that and take the blame since it is his job to get the team ready to play and the special teams were atrocious.  Hard to argue his points if they hit the field goal at the end of the game they win.

It pains me to say this but I can't agree with Coach Kelly on this game. Wesleydad you are right in that he is not only the HC but the OC and Special Teams Coach too and it is his job to put the right people in the right positions and own it. Total offense was 449 to 416 yards– thats pretty even, and mistakes were costly for both teams. Yes Wideners kickoff team allowed 2 runbacks for TDs and a blocked punt led to another Rowan TD for 21 pts for Rowan. But Rowan was flat the first half and committed way too many penalties. That allowed Widener to keep their drives going capitalizing on 2 personal fouls and a fumble in the first half for 3 TDs, 21 pts, for Widener too. Widener's run offense seemed better and more promising than last season but the Widener passing game was overall very spotty with just 43% completions. Not good. Widener was forcing the passing game and was unable to score any points in the air twice coming away with 0 pts going in. Not good play calling. Widener's defense played ok against a strong Rowan run, except the one long busted TD, but Rowan also had a non existent pass game the first half so its hard to judge the "overall" Widener D yet. Rowans QB was better the second half which is where Widener was outscored 10 - 3. I still say it will be a great season for Widener but there are some fixes and improvements on the field and from the sideline needed to make the run all the way. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 02, 2018, 01:19:39 PM
Overall bad weekend for the MAC when your only 2 wins come from first year Alvernia and FDU-Florham.  Putting my fan poll together and I am having a hard time justifying any MAC in it.  Now I know that someone in the MAC is top 10 worthy as the year progresses, but just cant see it now.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 02, 2018, 01:20:38 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 02, 2018, 01:19:39 PM
Overall bad weekend for the MAC when your only 2 wins come from first year Alvernia and FDU-Florham.  Putting my fan poll together and I am having a hard time justifying any MAC in it.  Now I know that someone in the MAC is top 10 worthy as the year progresses, but just cant see it now.

Couldn't agree more....I will not have a MAC team in my vote this week
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 03, 2018, 08:46:51 AM
If you want to vote on the East Region Fan Poll message me with your votes.  I will do the collection and post it, hopefully by Tuesday.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 03, 2018, 06:21:06 PM
Any Albright posters in here?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 03, 2018, 06:26:14 PM
I saw them scrimmage Wesley in the preseason, they were a little banged up injury-wise. Looks like they were in the game for a half against a Salisbury team that has a veteran defense and oline but is breaking in new people at every skill position.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 03, 2018, 09:21:10 PM
Thanks, D3Jason. I appreciate it. Yeah, I saw the first quarter of the game against Salisbury. Looks like they were doing well for the first few series.

BTW, can you give us a sense as to the emotion and general tone of Saturday's Wesley game? I'm sure emotions were high.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 03, 2018, 11:35:01 PM
It was a crazy and long day. There was a t-storm cell that parked over Dover and dropped torrential rains from 4 to 5:30. There was flash flooding on most of the streets and the field had 6-8 inches on the home side of the field that took a while to drain. The field actually bubbled up at the 50-yard line. Kickoff was pushed back until 7:45.

We went on air at 6:30. I spent 45 minutes pulling former players out of the stands to talk to about Coach on air. That was cathartic. It always amazes me how one person can impact so many. As a teacher, It inspires me.

Started our normal pregame at 7:15. The scheduled ceremony was pushed back a couple of weeks until the next home game.

I think it hit me most during the moment of silence and national anthem. I got choked up as did many I watched in the crowd.

There was a lightning delay after the first series, so we filled for another 40 minutes. After that it was a football game. Both teams made their share of first game mistakes. I think Del Val should be just fine despite the number of losses from last season. They have Darden back at QB and he is among the best in the east imo. They have nice mix of backs to replace Ellis. Nelson at wide out and 6'5 TE Allen are good targets. The defense causes confusion with a 3-4 that stunts a lot. They had a chance to take the lead early in the 3rd but fumbled it away. Then they lost track of Kemp and Peele and paid the price on a couple long TD passes.

The game ended around 11:15, did the post game. Gave Coach's parents a hug and a couple of beers in the parking lot with former players and coaches. Swapped a lot of great stories about Coach, including the time he offered Coach Fred (he did a great Coach Fred impersonation) his resume on the opening night of the Cruthedral  ;D

Got home around 2 am. All in all it ended up being a pretty good day. He would have loved it.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 04, 2018, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on September 03, 2018, 11:35:01 PM
It was a crazy and long day. There was a t-storm cell that parked over Dover and dropped torrential rains from 4 to 5:30. There was flash flooding on most of the streets and the field had 6-8 inches on the home side of the field that took a while to drain. The field actually bubbled up at the 50-yard line. Kickoff was pushed back until 7:45.

We went on air at 6:30. I spent 45 minutes pulling former players out of the stands to talk to about Coach on air. That was cathartic. It always amazes me how one person can impact so many. As a teacher, It inspires me.

Started our normal pregame at 7:15. The scheduled ceremony was pushed back a couple of weeks until the next home game.

I think it hit me most during the moment of silence and national anthem. I got choked up as did many I watched in the crowd.

There was a lightning delay after the first series, so we filled for another 40 minutes. After that it was a football game. Both teams made their share of first game mistakes. I think Del Val should be just fine despite the number of losses from last season. They have Darden back at QB and he is among the best in the east imo. They have nice mix of backs to replace Ellis. Nelson at wide out and 6'5 TE Allen are good targets. The defense causes confusion with a 3-4 that stunts a lot. They had a chance to take the lead early in the 3rd but fumbled it away. Then they lost track of Kemp and Peele and paid the price on a couple long TD passes.

The game ended around 11:15, did the post game. Gave Coach's parents a hug and a couple of beers in the parking lot with former players and coaches. Swapped a lot of great stories about Coach, including the time he offered Coach Fred (he did a great Coach Fred impersonation) his resume on the opening night of the Cruthedral  ;D

Got home around 2 am. All in all it ended up being a pretty good day. He would have loved it.

Great to hear. I'm sure it was great to just get that first game under the belt of the new regime. Obviously, I didn't know Coach D like all of you did, but having the opportunities to watch him from the stands here in Belton and once in Dover, I could see his passion for his players, the school, and the game.

Prayers and blessings to you all as you keep his legacy alive and move forward with the season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 05, 2018, 04:25:08 PM
Below are my week 2 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 2 Predictions

Lycoming @ Widener (-7.5): Widener wins by 3

Stevenson @ Bridgewater (-2.5): Stevenson wins by 3

#25 Del Val (-23.5) @ Mass-Dartmouth: Del Val wins by 21

Wilkes @ Leb Val (-18.5): Leb Val wins by 14

FDU (-2.5) @ William Paterson: FDU wins by 7

#2 UMHB (-35.5) @ Albright: UMHB wins by 31

Week 2 Rankings
1. Del Val (0-1, 0-0)
2. Stevenson (0-1, 0-0)
3. Widener (0-1, 0-0)
4. Albright (0-1, 0-0)
5. Lycoming (0-1, 0-0)
6. Leb Val (0-1, 0-0)
7. FDU (1-0, 0-0)
8. King's (0-1, 0-0)
9. Wilkes (0-1, 0-0)
10. Alvernia (1-0, 0-0)
11. Misericordia (0-1, 0-0)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 8-3 (.727)
Career: 51-21 (.708)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 07, 2018, 06:39:38 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 05, 2018, 04:25:08 PM
Below are my week 2 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 2 Predictions

Lycoming @ Widener (-7.5): Widener wins by 3

Stevenson @ Bridgewater (-2.5): Stevenson wins by 3

#25 Del Val (-23.5) @ Mass-Dartmouth: Del Val wins by 21

Wilkes @ Leb Val (-18.5): Leb Val wins by 14

FDU (-2.5) @ William Paterson: FDU wins by 7

#2 UMHB (-35.5) @ Albright: UMHB wins by 31

Week 2 Rankings
1. Del Val (0-1, 0-0)
2. Stevenson (0-1, 0-0)
3. Widener (0-1, 0-0)
4. Albright (0-1, 0-0)
5. Lycoming (0-1, 0-0)
6. Leb Val (0-1, 0-0)
7. FDU (1-0, 0-0)
8. King's (0-1, 0-0)
9. Wilkes (0-1, 0-0)
10. Alvernia (1-0, 0-0)
11. Misericordia (0-1, 0-0)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 8-3 (.727)
Career: 51-21 (.708)

Widener will have it all together:

Widener 27 - Lycoming 13
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 07, 2018, 09:39:17 AM
Week 2 Predictions

Lycoming @ Widener (-7.5): Widener 31 Lyco 17   - Lyco not there yet
Stevenson @ Bridgewater (-2.5): Stevenson wins by 3

#25 Del Val (-23.5) @ Mass-Dartmouth: Del Val 42 Mass Dartmouth 20   Mass Dartmouth will struggle with Darden...

Wilkes @ Leb Val (-18.5):  Leb Val 35 Wilkes 31   Wilkes will be competitive

FDU (-2.5) @ William Paterson: FDU 42  William Patterson 14  just a hunch

#2 UMHB (-35.5) @ Albright: UMHB 72   Albright 21   Way Way Way too much for Albright this year



Bman's Week 2 Rankings   - AKA this whole conference is wide open

1. Del Val (0-1, 0-0)
2. Widener (0-1, 0-0)           Just think their loss was less worse than Stevenson's
3. Stevenson (0-1, 0-0)
4. Albright (0-1, 0-0)           Not sure why I have Albright here...probably just a default position for now 
5. Leb Val (0-1, 0-0)
6. FDU (1-0, 0-0)                They looked good week 1.  Let's see if its a result of an easy first 2 weeks
7. Lycoming (0-1, 0-0)
8. King's (0-1, 0-0)
9. Wilkes (0-1, 0-0)
10. Alvernia (1-0, 0-0)
11. Misericordia (0-1, 0-0)


Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 07, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
It was likely UMHB. They were looking for games in this region.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 07, 2018, 09:53:17 PM
UMHB gives up 21? I doubt it. 14, maybe, but 21?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 07, 2018, 11:43:01 PM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

MAC vs. NJAC (2014-2017): 10-8 (.555)

2018: 1-4*
2017: 3-2 (.600)
2016: 1-4 (.200)
2015: 3-1 (.750)
2014: 3-1 (.750)

*Not included in overall W-L due to unfinished 2018 MAC vs. NJAC schedule

Reaction:

After last week's MAC vs. NJAC clash, I assumed that the NJAC had a superior W-L total the past five years. I was surprised to actually find the MAC has been rather competitive. Most would agree the NJAC traditionally is the better conference, but this shows the MAC holds its weight.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 08, 2018, 10:40:59 AM
Tweis

Can you advise what  the breakdown of the top teams in each conference is vs the others?  DVU has had great success v Wesley, but if you take the other top MAC teams...say WU, Stevenson, Albright, Lyco (or the next best record in that time) and pair their records with Rowan, CNU, Salisbury and Frostburg, I'd be curious to see if there is a disparity in the records of the conferences in the top tier vs. all others.

My initial impression is that other than DVU, the NJAC has dominated at the top tier while the lower tier advantage has gone to the MAC...  I could be totally wrong.  If you don't have that detail, no worries.  I can look it up later.  I am heading out shortly to Albright to see the Albright/UHMB game.  It may be the only chance I get to see UMHB in person anytime soon...

If anyone else is going, hit me up.   I always wear a Nebraska hat to D3 games so I can easily be identified...:)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on September 08, 2018, 04:11:14 PM
Interesting... Widener predicted to go 10-0 and here they sit at 0-2.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Machiavelli on September 08, 2018, 04:21:35 PM
Well, at least UMHB took it easy today. Yikes.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 08, 2018, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Machiavelli on September 08, 2018, 04:21:35 PM
Well, at least UMHB took it easy today. Yikes.

Was there...
They did nothing wrong.  They started subbing in 2nd quarter etc...
The back-ups were scoring at will.  Albright (as expected) was outmatched at every position (except punter)...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 08, 2018, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: bman on September 08, 2018, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Machiavelli on September 08, 2018, 04:21:35 PM
Well, at least UMHB took it easy today. Yikes.

Was there...
They did nothing wrong.  They started subbing in 2nd quarter etc...
The back-ups were scoring at will.  Albright (as expected) was outmatched at every position (except punter)...
Love hearing this from a non-UMHB person. Was UMHB as fast in person as they looked online?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Machiavelli on September 08, 2018, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on September 08, 2018, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: bman on September 08, 2018, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Machiavelli on September 08, 2018, 04:21:35 PM
Well, at least UMHB took it easy today. Yikes.

Was there...
They did nothing wrong.  They started subbing in 2nd quarter etc...
The back-ups were scoring at will.  Albright (as expected) was outmatched at every position (except punter)...
Love hearing this from a non-UMHB person. Was UMHB as fast in person as they looked online?

I have no qualms with them scoring 91 points in any form or fashion. You just don't see that many points that often. I'm very impressed.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Western PA Football on September 08, 2018, 05:31:13 PM
Where all the experts who had Widener winning the Mac Championship? 🤔🤔🤔
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on September 08, 2018, 05:52:50 PM
the quadruple Monkey Stomp! Do we call that a King Kong Stomp at that point?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 08, 2018, 06:09:46 PM
Quote from: Western PA Football on September 08, 2018, 05:31:13 PM
Where all the experts who had Widener winning the Mac Championship? 🤔🤔🤔

Gee (I guess) a relative of the DVU QB posting that...what a shocker.. ::),

Last I checked, WU is  0-0 in conference play.   These games are only tiebreakers...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 08, 2018, 06:10:58 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on September 08, 2018, 05:52:50 PM
the quadruple Monkey Stomp! Do we call that a King Kong Stomp at that point?

lol...oh where is 'Gro and the Liberty League faithful!?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 09, 2018, 01:20:21 AM
Quote from: bman on September 08, 2018, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Machiavelli on September 08, 2018, 04:21:35 PM
Well, at least UMHB took it easy today. Yikes.

Was there...
They did nothing wrong.  They started subbing in 2nd quarter etc...
The back-ups were scoring at will.  Albright (as expected) was outmatched at every position (except punter)...

UMHB has not had a true punter for a few seasons now. Coach likes to use skill guys to do the punting so that he has one more person on the field. Last year it was our third string QB. The year before that, it was our All American, HS QB Baylor Mullins. It has worked out really well.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 09, 2018, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 08, 2018, 04:11:14 PM
Interesting... Widener predicted to go 10-0 and here they sit at 0-2.

Widener coaching gets an F minus. The program has problems and Coach Kelly is on the verge of losing the locker room. Kelly is showing no leadership, no ownership, just arrogance and blames it all on the team. If Coach Kelly thinks the best way to win is with his QB running the ball then both him and his OC Brayniak are totally brainless. Everyone knows the QB never could, and won't, run the ball.  Widener has two strong running backs who barely touched the ball all game and it cost the team big time. Terrible play calling! The offensive is a mess and D is giving up way too many points. Kelly better come up with something quick.   
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2018, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: LineCat on September 09, 2018, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 08, 2018, 04:11:14 PM
Interesting... Widener predicted to go 10-0 and here they sit at 0-2.

Widener coaching gets an F minus. The program has problems and Coach Kelly is on the verge of losing the locker room. Kelly is showing no leadership, no ownership, just arrogance and blames it all on the team. If Coach Kelly thinks the best way to win is with his QB running the ball then both him and his OC Brayniak are totally brainless. Everyone knows the QB never could, and won't, run the ball.  Widener has two strong running backs who barely touched the ball all game and it cost the team big time. Terrible play calling! The offensive is a mess and D is giving up way too many points. Kelly better come up with something quick.   

Phew -- tell us how you really feel!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: unionpalooza on September 09, 2018, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2018, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: LineCat on September 09, 2018, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 08, 2018, 04:11:14 PM
Interesting... Widener predicted to go 10-0 and here they sit at 0-2.

Widener coaching gets an F minus. The program has problems and Coach Kelly is on the verge of losing the locker room. Kelly is showing no leadership, no ownership, just arrogance and blames it all on the team. If Coach Kelly thinks the best way to win is with his QB running the ball then both him and his OC Brayniak are totally brainless. Everyone knows the QB never could, and won't, run the ball.  Widener has two strong running backs who barely touched the ball all game and it cost the team big time. Terrible play calling! The offensive is a mess and D is giving up way too many points. Kelly better come up with something quick.   

Phew -- tell us how you really feel!

Indeed.  Look, I got zero skin in this, but box score says those 2 RBs got 18 carries, averaging less than 3 yards a carry. (And didn't that "mess" of an offense put up 450 yards of O on Rowan last week?) I get the frustration about being 0-2, but seems like there is plenty of concerns all around.  These seem like odd conclusions to leap to.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 09, 2018, 06:01:42 PM
Watched most of their first two games. They need to start by stopping the the run on D.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 10, 2018, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: bman on September 08, 2018, 10:40:59 AM
Tweis

Can you advise what  the breakdown of the top teams in each conference is vs the others?  DVU has had great success v Wesley, but if you take the other top MAC teams...say WU, Stevenson, Albright, Lyco (or the next best record in that time) and pair their records with Rowan, CNU, Salisbury and Frostburg, I'd be curious to see if there is a disparity in the records of the conferences in the top tier vs. all others.

My initial impression is that other than DVU, the NJAC has dominated at the top tier while the lower tier advantage has gone to the MAC...  I could be totally wrong.  If you don't have that detail, no worries.  I can look it up later.  I am heading out shortly to Albright to see the Albright/UHMB game.  It may be the only chance I get to see UMHB in person anytime soon...

If anyone else is going, hit me up.   I always wear a Nebraska hat to D3 games so I can easily be identified...:)

Bman

I went back and researched your theory and your correct. The "top 5" you named for both conferences have favored the NJAC. Below are the findings:

MAC "Top 5" vs. NJAC "Top 5" (2014-2017): 5-6 (.455)
2018: 0-4 (.000)
2017: 2-2 (.500)
2016: 1-3 (.250)
2015: 1-1 (.500)
2014: 1-0 (1.000)

When you factor in 2018, the results become more lopsided with a 5-10 (.333) W-L record. The team pulling the most weight in the MAC has been DVU with Widener and Albright sprinkling in victories.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 10, 2018, 09:21:59 AM
Quote from: LineCat on September 09, 2018, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 08, 2018, 04:11:14 PM
Interesting... Widener predicted to go 10-0 and here they sit at 0-2.

Widener coaching gets an F minus. The program has problems and Coach Kelly is on the verge of losing the locker room. Kelly is showing no leadership, no ownership, just arrogance and blames it all on the team. If Coach Kelly thinks the best way to win is with his QB running the ball then both him and his OC Brayniak are totally brainless. Everyone knows the QB never could, and won't, run the ball.  Widener has two strong running backs who barely touched the ball all game and it cost the team big time. Terrible play calling! The offensive is a mess and D is giving up way too many points. Kelly better come up with something quick.   

LineCat

I'm not willing to write off Widener at the moment; however, their start to the season has been underwhelming to say the least. I believe the most surprising aspect of the team has been the defensive unit not performing anywhere as close to the 2017 level. The next two games provide redemption for them to right the ship. They need to go 2-0 these next two weeks if they want to be in contention for the MAC. A split will only further intensify a mockery of there 2018 squad.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 10, 2018, 09:28:34 AM
Thanks for your efforts Tweis!

That's in-line with what I was thinking, which is that without DVU, the NJAC has been better in the top tier of our series, but the MAC better in the lower tier...

Time to get better at the top!

Quote from: tweisman5 on September 10, 2018, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: bman on September 08, 2018, 10:40:59 AM
Tweis

Can you advise what  the breakdown of the top teams in each conference is vs the others?  DVU has had great success v Wesley, but if you take the other top MAC teams...say WU, Stevenson, Albright, Lyco (or the next best record in that time) and pair their records with Rowan, CNU, Salisbury and Frostburg, I'd be curious to see if there is a disparity in the records of the conferences in the top tier vs. all others.

My initial impression is that other than DVU, the NJAC has dominated at the top tier while the lower tier advantage has gone to the MAC...  I could be totally wrong.  If you don't have that detail, no worries.  I can look it up later.  I am heading out shortly to Albright to see the Albright/UHMB game.  It may be the only chance I get to see UMHB in person anytime soon...

If anyone else is going, hit me up.   I always wear a Nebraska hat to D3 games so I can easily be identified...:)

Bman

I went back and researched your theory and your correct. The "top 5" you named for both conferences have favored the NJAC. Below are the findings:

MAC "Top 5" vs. NJAC "Top 5" (2014-2017): 5-6 (.455)
2018: 0-4 (.000)
2017: 2-2 (.500)
2016: 1-3 (.250)
2015: 1-1 (.500)
2014: 1-0 (1.000)

When you factor in 2018, the results become more lopsided with a 5-10 (.333) W-L record. The team pulling the most weight in the MAC has been DVU with Widener and Albright sprinkling in victories.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 10, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
I attended the Albright/UMHB game.  Frankly, I wanted to see the #2 team in the nation.    Besides the ugly score, some thoughts on the teams...

1.  UMHB is huge, but they don't play huge.  They wore down Albright and began pushing them around on the line, but frankly I was surprised they weren't more dominant in the run game early. That's not to say they can't, but they didn't...

2.  UMHB is fast.   Beyond fast... That was the real issue for Albright.  On defense, passes across the middle, went for long scores, and outside deep balls highlighted that Albright's defensive players had no answer for the speed of UMHB.  On offense, the QBs were under constant pressure and the WRs were (for the most part) unable to get a lot of space, which forced early, poor throws.

Having watched years of FCS(1AA football), there is no doubt that UMHB would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA...I'd love to see them schedule a mid tier FCS as an out of conference game...I'd go!

It is hard to tell much from the game from the Albright perspective, other than a few notes.
1.  The QBs are young and inexperienced and it showed, but they hung in there...
2. The D line hung in and made some plays against the much larger UMHB o-line...
3. The punter for Albright is incredible...not sure what he is doing in D3, but I'm pretty sure he will be the best punter UMHB sees all year (only partly tongue in cheek).
4. Albright's Number 11 (Kyle Dickerson) is a beast.  He left absolutely nothing on the field, taking shot after shot going for balls across the middle, and putting himself in harms way....he sure impressed me...
5. Lack of crowd.   They had the #2 team in the nation coming in, and there was hardly anyone there...At one point, I mentioned, that UMHB may have had a bigger crowd...sad.    And on that note, there were Alvernia billboards all over Reading...no one that I saw for Albright...

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on September 10, 2018, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: bman on August 20, 2018, 08:23:02 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on August 20, 2018, 02:19:50 PM
JM

Good post with excellent analysis and explanation of why Del Val will struggle to repeat as MAC champs (something that hasn't been done since 2011). People need to dig deeper than the final box score to understand how everything unfolded to make an accurate forecast. The lost that Del Val lost will hurt this season, but I do still expect them to battle for position in the top 3 of the MAC. In regards to the MAC preseason poll, I see some similarity to what I predict with a few exceptions! I'll post my preseason conference prediction later this week.

MAC preseason poll: http://gomacsports.com/news/2018/8/20/aggies-picked-to-repeat-in-mac-football-coaches-preseason-poll.aspx

Clearly the coaches aren't peeling the onion either... ;D

2018 MAC Football Coaches' Preseason Poll
Rank Team Points              (1st Place Votes)
1 Delaware Valley                 98 (8)
2 Stevenson                         88 (2)
3 Widener                            79 (1)
4 Albright                             73 
5 Lycoming                          64 
6 Lebanon Valley                  59 
7 King's                               48 
8 FDU-Florham                     30 
9 Wilkes                               29 
10 Misericordia                     25 
11 Alvernia                           12
Any insights on FDU-Florham after 2 weeks of play?

It appears they have used a pass heavy offense to knock off 2 NJAC schools to begin their season 2-0 including William Patterson [NJACs perennial doormat].
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 10, 2018, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 10, 2018, 09:21:59 AM
Quote from: LineCat on September 09, 2018, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 08, 2018, 04:11:14 PM
Interesting... Widener predicted to go 10-0 and here they sit at 0-2.

Widener coaching gets an F minus. The program has problems and Coach Kelly is on the verge of losing the locker room. Kelly is showing no leadership, no ownership, just arrogance and blames it all on the team. If Coach Kelly thinks the best way to win is with his QB running the ball then both him and his OC Brayniak are totally brainless. Everyone knows the QB never could, and won't, run the ball.  Widener has two strong running backs who barely touched the ball all game and it cost the team big time. Terrible play calling! The offensive is a mess and D is giving up way too many points. Kelly better come up with something quick.   

LineCat

I'm not willing to write off Widener at the moment; however, their start to the season has been underwhelming to say the least. I believe the most surprising aspect of the team has been the defensive unit not performing anywhere as close to the 2017 level. The next two games provide redemption for them to right the ship. They need to go 2-0 these next two weeks if they want to be in contention for the MAC. A split will only further intensify a mockery of there 2018 squad.

There is so much more to this than I want to comment on.   I certainly don't have any answers, and there is debate among former players where the real issue lies.   This certainly goes deeper than on-field decisions...why is coach Kelly the OC?  $$s...  Why are we losing recruits to other teams in our conference and region?  $$s...
In one sense, coach Kelly's hands are tied (and I had this conversation directly with him in April)... So it's not just play calling, it's talent.   The new administration simply isn't willing to commit dollars to grow the program.  In reality they aren't even willing to commit $$s necessary to keep the program running at all.  It's band aids and duct tape...It's at the point where the brotherhood are donating the funds to cover basics...So if you think that the on field coaching is an issue, (which it may be), don't expect to be able to attract a top tier talent in with the budget as it currently stands...
Also, before everyone jumps off the bandwagon, last I checked, WU is 0-0 in conference and still holds its destiny in its own hands...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 10, 2018, 11:17:53 AM
Quote from: bman on September 10, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
I attended the Albright/UMHB game.  Frankly, I wanted to see the #2 team in the nation.    Besides the ugly score, some thoughts on the teams...

1.  UMHB is huge, but they don't play huge.  They wore down Albright and began pushing them around on the line, but frankly I was surprised they weren't more dominant in the run game early. That's not to say they can't, but they didn't...

2.  UMHB is fast.   Beyond fast... That was the real issue for Albright.  On defense, passes across the middle, went for long scores, and outside deep balls highlighted that Albright's defensive players had no answer for the speed of UMHB.  On offense, the QBs were under constant pressure and the WRs were (for the most part) unable to get a lot of space, which forced early, poor throws.

Having watched years of FCS(1AA football), there is no doubt that UMHB would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA...I'd love to see them schedule a mid tier FCS as an out of conference game...I'd go!

It is hard to tell much from the game from the Albright perspective, other than a few notes.
1.  The QBs are young and inexperienced and it showed, but they hung in there...
2. The D line hung in and made some plays against the much larger UMHB o-line...
3. The punter for Albright is incredible...not sure what he is doing in D3, but I'm pretty sure he will be the best punter UMHB sees all year (only partly tongue in cheek).
4. Albright's Number 11 (Kyle Dickerson) is a beast.  He left absolutely nothing on the field, taking shot after shot going for balls across the middle, and putting himself in harms way....he sure impressed me...
5. Lack of crowd.   They had the #2 team in the nation coming in, and there was hardly anyone there...At one point, I mentioned, that UMHB may have had a bigger crowd...sad.    And on that note, there were Alvernia billboards all over Reading...no one that I saw for Albright...

I had a chance to watch UMHB and Mount last year in the Stagg. I would say that their team speed is amazing. After seeing Albright play Salisbury earlier and seeing the explosive plays from the in the 2nd half from Salisbury. UMHB exceeded this and were flying on all cylinders this past Saturday. The RPO allowed for their athletes to take advantage of space. Nevertheless, we all know that Albright will be better in the upcoming years due to their youth.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2018, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2018, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: bman on September 10, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
Having watched years of FCS(1AA football), there is no doubt that UMHB would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA...I'd love to see them schedule a mid tier FCS as an out of conference game...I'd go!

If MHB "would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA," why aren't they in 1AA instead of leaving a trail of devastation in D3? Your thoughts?

Let's start with the incredible amount of scholarship money they'd have to lay out in order to do so. C'mon, Warren -- you know better!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jamtod on September 10, 2018, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2018, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: bman on September 10, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
Having watched years of FCS(1AA football), there is no doubt that UMHB would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA...I'd love to see them schedule a mid tier FCS as an out of conference game...I'd go!

If MHB "would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA," why aren't they in 1AA instead of leaving a trail of devastation in D3? Your thoughts?

Because American football does not have promotion and relegation?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 10, 2018, 09:26:27 PM

Tweisman I have not written Widener off at all they just did not play well Saturday. And importantly Coach Kelly needs to lead now, not resort to old ways, and they will be good the next few games and more. @d3jason is right that the D needs to stop the run much better. Unionpalooza I believe you make my point in that Widener did have 212 rushing yards last week but why only 34 yards this week? The run game is a strength and they need to give the RBs the ball more often, stay with them and they will get their chunks.  My frustration was in Saturdays game plan, or how it played out, that's all. Bman I understand budget issues but can you educate me some on this ...Why are we losing recruits to other teams in our conference and region?  ... How do you think we are losing out. And for the record I'm not jumping the bandwagon. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 10, 2018, 10:01:45 PM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on September 10, 2018, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2018, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: bman on September 10, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
Having watched years of FCS(1AA football), there is no doubt that UMHB would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA...I'd love to see them schedule a mid tier FCS as an out of conference game...I'd go!

If MHB "would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA," why aren't they in 1AA instead of leaving a trail of devastation in D3? Your thoughts?

Because American football does not have promotion and relegation?

JamtoTommie

I've always thought it was something that should be done! It's interesting to think that if you look at American sports in general they actually mimic more socialist countries; meanwhile, European Soccer seems to resemble more capitalistic characteristics. I've had long discussion about this belief with friends and family, but my explanation would require a much deeper post.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 10, 2018, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: bman on September 10, 2018, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 10, 2018, 09:21:59 AM
Quote from: LineCat on September 09, 2018, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 08, 2018, 04:11:14 PM
Interesting... Widener predicted to go 10-0 and here they sit at 0-2.

Widener coaching gets an F minus. The program has problems and Coach Kelly is on the verge of losing the locker room. Kelly is showing no leadership, no ownership, just arrogance and blames it all on the team. If Coach Kelly thinks the best way to win is with his QB running the ball then both him and his OC Brayniak are totally brainless. Everyone knows the QB never could, and won't, run the ball.  Widener has two strong running backs who barely touched the ball all game and it cost the team big time. Terrible play calling! The offensive is a mess and D is giving up way too many points. Kelly better come up with something quick.   

LineCat

I'm not willing to write off Widener at the moment; however, their start to the season has been underwhelming to say the least. I believe the most surprising aspect of the team has been the defensive unit not performing anywhere as close to the 2017 level. The next two games provide redemption for them to right the ship. They need to go 2-0 these next two weeks if they want to be in contention for the MAC. A split will only further intensify a mockery of there 2018 squad.

There is so much more to this than I want to comment on.   I certainly don't have any answers, and there is debate among former players where the real issue lies.   This certainly goes deeper than on-field decisions...why is coach Kelly the OC?  $$s...  Why are we losing recruits to other teams in our conference and region?  $$s...
In one sense, coach Kelly's hands are tied (and I had this conversation directly with him in April)... So it's not just play calling, it's talent.   The new administration simply isn't willing to commit dollars to grow the program.  In reality they aren't even willing to commit $$s necessary to keep the program running at all.  It's band aids and duct tape...It's at the point where the brotherhood are donating the funds to cover basics...So if you think that the on field coaching is an issue, (which it may be), don't expect to be able to attract a top tier talent in with the budget as it currently stands...
Also, before everyone jumps off the bandwagon, last I checked, WU is 0-0 in conference and still holds its destiny in its own hands...

I hate to hear that a competitor is not able to reach their maximum potential due to uncontrollable circumstances the coaching staff can't handle. I understand if money is tight and it comes down to a choice between more investment in academics or athletics, but if it's due to personal administration principles of downsizing athletics just because you don't agree with the values, that's when I'm disappointed.

The first priority should always be academics, but there are those who don't understand the value of athletics in a University community and seem to always target the budget of athletics just to make a point. We constantly see the issues many D1 programs have running a financially stable athletic department, but that doesn't rationalize stripping funding to the bare minimum if extra funds are available. I'm in the belief that everyone should strive to position themselves to be the best position to be competitive within financial limits.

I welcome competition and as the saying goes, "Iron sharpens iron," hopefully Widener can solve these issues to remain competitive within the MAC. I hope each peer can tap their potential to strengthen the MAC as a better conference makes a more enticing season!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 11, 2018, 08:42:01 AM
Quote from: LineCat on September 10, 2018, 09:26:27 PM

Tweisman I have not written Widener off at all they just did not play well Saturday. And importantly Coach Kelly needs to lead now, not resort to old ways, and they will be good the next few games and more. @d3jason is right that the D needs to stop the run much better. Unionpalooza I believe you make my point in that Widener did have 212 rushing yards last week but why only 34 yards this week? The run game is a strength and they need to give the RBs the ball more often, stay with them and they will get their chunks.  My frustration was in Saturdays game plan, or how it played out, that's all. Bman I understand budget issues but can you educate me some on this ...Why are we losing recruits to other teams in our conference and region?  ... How do you think we are losing out. And for the record I'm not jumping the bandwagon.

LineCat

Without going into specifics, (and this is firsthand knowledge, not something I was told), other MAC teams/schools are simply offering better financial packages for players....ones WU will not touch or make an attempt to match...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 11, 2018, 08:48:05 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2018, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: bman on September 10, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
Having watched years of FCS(1AA football), there is no doubt that UMHB would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA...I'd love to see them schedule a mid tier FCS as an out of conference game...I'd go!

If MHB "would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA," why aren't they in 1AA instead of leaving a trail of devastation in D3? Your thoughts?

Esteemed Mr. Thompson...an excellent question as always...

As Pat mentions some of it is finances, and some just seems to be the administrations preference...
Dominating on the field seems not to have much effect on a school's decision to change divisions.   
D3 team's movement seems to bear that out.   Frostburg's competitiveness is certainly not domination...and in recent history, the only other example I can recall is Chowan, who was not even very competitive in D3, prior to moving.
My best guess is that a school is what it wants to be...  Miami is a tiny school with a huge athletic budget.  They are where they want to be...so is Mount Union, UMHB, Wesley etc...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on September 11, 2018, 03:35:36 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2018, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: bman on September 10, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
Having watched years of FCS(1AA football), there is no doubt that UMHB would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA...I'd love to see them schedule a mid tier FCS as an out of conference game...I'd go!

If MHB "would be middle of the pack and competitive in 1AA," why aren't they in 1AA instead of leaving a trail of devastation in D3? Your thoughts?

Would you ask the same question of UMU? Moving up in divisions is incredibly expensive. My Alma Mater (Cal Baptist) just moved into Div 1 into the WAC, but it took over a decade to grow the student base, expand facilities which would draw enough students for tuition and scholarship support for those programs. UMHB at this time, while growing well, is not in that vein, leave that to the Little brother Baylor U one city over. The growth of UMHB is slow and steady, not flashing to make a jump which could be disastrous (I'm thinking of a recently returned U in our ASC conference who went DII and came back having to wait two years before being able to be eligible to go post season) It's all about the bucks....And the culture
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 11, 2018, 08:49:55 PM
LineCat

Without going into specifics, (and this is firsthand knowledge, not something I was told), other MAC teams/schools are simply offering better financial packages for players....ones WU will not touch or make an attempt to match...
[/quote]

Thanks bman that makes sense and I respect that its firsthand knowledge. I still believe Widener has all they need though to make the run. The next few weeks should all be Ws as long as we tackle better and take care of the ball right.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 12, 2018, 05:13:43 PM
Below are my week 3 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 3 Predictions

Leb Val @ Lycoming (-6.5): Lycoming wins by 10

Hartwick @ King's (-0.5): King's wins by 3

Wilkes @ #20 Del Val (-37.5): Del Val wins by 35

Stevenson (-1.5) @ Albright: Stevenson wins by 3

Widener (-17.5) @ Misericordia: Widener wins by 17

FDU (-16.5) @ Alvernia: FDU wins by 17

Week 3 Rankings
1. Del Val (1-1, 0-0)
2. Stevenson (1-1, 0-0)
3. Lycoming (1-1, 0-0)
4. Widener (0-2, 0-0)
5. Albright (0-2, 0-0)
6. FDU (2-0, 0-0)
7. Wilkes (1-1, 0-0)
8. Leb Val (0-2, 0-0)
9. King's (0-1, 0-0) 
10. Alvernia (1-0, 0-0)
11. Misericordia (0-1, 0-0)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-2 (.667)
Season: 12-5 (.706)
Career: 55-23 (.705)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 12, 2018, 11:43:38 PM
I'm pretty bad at predictions but I don't see DVU beating Wilkes by that margin. Wilkes' offense has improved and DVU's defense is down relative to last year when the final score was 34-14.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 14, 2018, 12:08:19 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 12, 2018, 11:43:38 PM
I'm pretty bad at predictions but I don't see DVU beating Wilkes by that margin. Wilkes' offense has improved and DVU's defense is down relative to last year when the final score was 34-14.

Gordonmann

I understand your belief as the margin is significantly higher than the average margin of -19 points since 2015 for Wilkes. I'm merely rolling the dice on this predicted margin. Odds favor your statement to be valid.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 14, 2018, 06:45:50 AM
So Widener Coach Kelly makes my point - no leadership, no ownership. It's all Googles fault now? He really thinks people are buying this excuse for a bad game. I guess no Lycoming players or anyone else in the conference uses iPhones or Google huh.   The team is 100% Kelly's recruits and almost everyone is back from last year.  So what changed – coordinators and coaching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Cgk1jmU3s

Widener will win Saturday in spite of the team being sh_t on, not because of it. Google, Seriously?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on September 14, 2018, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: LineCat on September 14, 2018, 06:45:50 AM
So Widener Coach Kelly makes my point - no leadership, no ownership. It’s all Googles fault now? He really thinks people are buying this excuse for a bad game. I guess no Lycoming players or anyone else in the conference uses iPhones or Google huh.   The team is 100% Kelly’s recruits and almost everyone is back from last year.  So what changed – coordinators and coaching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Cgk1jmU3s

Widener will win Saturday in spite of the team being sh_t on, not because of it. Google, Seriously?
I caught a flavor of this in the quotes after the Rowan game.  No bueno for Widener.  I'm sure the players, who are busting their butts in practice and taking time away for studies, aren't happy about this.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WidePride on September 14, 2018, 12:53:28 PM
I really can't hold back any longer. I am in shock at the asinine post game press conference with Coach Kelly. This guy has made it his trademark to say stupid things in the past, but this moron really lit it up this time.
What fool goes off on his team, the way he did? If his players are searching google, they're certainly going to see the video of him making a fool of himself and his players. It was awful.
(And by the way, I am neither parent of a player or a former player. I have the great fortune of being a long time fan of this program. But under Kelly's command, I have watched the team deteriorate at a record pace.)
His facial expression showed a man on fire. Maybe if his coaching and even better, his play calling were intact, he possibly could have an argument. But even then, you don't bury your players the way he did. He, in essence, said his team sucks, his players suck and they're liars. Of course, none of the blame...ok..ok lets's call it "responsibility", falls on his shoulders. They lost to Lycoming because of Google.....not because his play calling sucked, didn't run the ball or has a limited-run-mobility QB. 4 sacks and 34 yds rushing. Even at that, you keep the complaints, discipline and comments close to the vest...ie the locker room or coaches office. Publicly shaming your players is one stupid move. I wouldn't be surprised if the players didn't want to take the field for him this Saturday
Perhaps his players should Google; "where can we find a supportive/knowledgeable Head Football Coach"
I promise you, Kelly's name will not come up in that search.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on September 14, 2018, 01:40:16 PM
Player or coach?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Machiavelli on September 14, 2018, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: pumkinattack on September 14, 2018, 01:40:16 PM
Player or coach?

Calling Special Agent Jonny Utah!!!

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/aDYXQy3W8XFG8/200_s.gif)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on September 14, 2018, 01:53:47 PM
At least our player poster was positive about himself and is starting in the NFL....

Whitfoot!  (Though possible it was a bother named Brody)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WidePride on September 14, 2018, 02:04:41 PM
The new uniforms arrived....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 14, 2018, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: WidePride on September 14, 2018, 02:04:41 PM
The new uniforms arrived....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How did you find that photo? :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 14, 2018, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 12, 2018, 11:43:38 PM
I'm pretty bad at predictions but I don't see DVU beating Wilkes by that margin. Wilkes' offense has improved and DVU's defense is down relative to last year when the final score was 34-14.

Howdy Gordon, and the rest of the crew on the MAC board!

I was fortunate to be present for both of the first two games for the Colonels- LVC is my favorite road trip in the conference- and I believe your assessment is well-founded.

I have been impressed by the improvement shown by the Colonels under Coach Drach. The offense works to dictate the pace of the game, mixing big plays into a clock-controlling style that wears down defenses. The Wilkes defense has tightened up significantly from previous seasons, and features some exciting young talent...the potential exists for the unit to be quite exciting.

The program has made great strides in reaching out to alumni in various means of engagement; that includes not just fundraising, but regular updates from the coaching staff, and alumni engagement events. I was fortunate to catch up with several of the defensive stars from our 2006 championship team at the Lebanon Valley game, and I hope that becomes a more frequent theme of the new era.

A road trip to DVU is always daunting, and with good reason. The last Wilkes win in Doylestown came during my senior year in 2007. But you can be sure that this year's Colonels will come ready to play, and may surprise some folks.

In the meantime, check out some highlights from the OT win in Annville (it looks like this will be a regular feature this season):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_anTHc_1Q


Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 14, 2018, 07:34:50 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 14, 2018, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 12, 2018, 11:43:38 PM
I'm pretty bad at predictions but I don't see DVU beating Wilkes by that margin. Wilkes' offense has improved and DVU's defense is down relative to last year when the final score was 34-14.

Howdy Gordon, and the rest of the crew on the MAC board!

I was fortunate to be present for both of the first two games for the Colonels- LVC is my favorite road trip in the conference- and I believe your assessment is well-founded.

I have been impressed by the improvement shown by the Colonels under Coach Drach. The offense works to dictate the pace of the game, mixing big plays into a clock-controlling style that wears down defenses. The Wilkes defense has tightened up significantly from previous seasons, and features some exciting young talent...the potential exists for the unit to be quite exciting.

The program has made great strides in reaching out to alumni in various means of engagement; that includes not just fundraising, but regular updates from the coaching staff, and alumni engagement events. I was fortunate to catch up with several of the defensive stars from our 2006 championship team at the Lebanon Valley game, and I hope that becomes a more frequent theme of the new era.

A road trip to DVU is always daunting, and with good reason. The last Wilkes win in Doylestown came during my senior year in 2007. But you can be sure that this year's Colonels will come ready to play, and may surprise some folks.

In the meantime, check out some highlights from the OT win in Annville (it looks like this will be a regular feature this season):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_anTHc_1Q

Awesome post G-manWU and a great highlight clip. The level of improvement there seems dramatic. Your clip motivated me to watch Coach Drach's presser below. He is an extremely positive and humble coach. Wilkes is in good hands and the games and league will be much better because of him at the helm. It is amazing what a positive leader and atmosphere can do to a football team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwMKPm-B36Q
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 15, 2018, 12:35:48 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 14, 2018, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 12, 2018, 11:43:38 PM
I'm pretty bad at predictions but I don't see DVU beating Wilkes by that margin. Wilkes' offense has improved and DVU's defense is down relative to last year when the final score was 34-14.

Howdy Gordon, and the rest of the crew on the MAC board!

I was fortunate to be present for both of the first two games for the Colonels- LVC is my favorite road trip in the conference- and I believe your assessment is well-founded.

I have been impressed by the improvement shown by the Colonels under Coach Drach. The offense works to dictate the pace of the game, mixing big plays into a clock-controlling style that wears down defenses. The Wilkes defense has tightened up significantly from previous seasons, and features some exciting young talent...the potential exists for the unit to be quite exciting.

The program has made great strides in reaching out to alumni in various means of engagement; that includes not just fundraising, but regular updates from the coaching staff, and alumni engagement events. I was fortunate to catch up with several of the defensive stars from our 2006 championship team at the Lebanon Valley game, and I hope that becomes a more frequent theme of the new era.

A road trip to DVU is always daunting, and with good reason. The last Wilkes win in Doylestown came during my senior year in 2007. But you can be sure that this year's Colonels will come ready to play, and may surprise some folks.

In the meantime, check out some highlights from the OT win in Annville (it looks like this will be a regular feature this season):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_anTHc_1Q

G-manWU

Glad to hear things are looking positive for Wilkes! I'm always in the belief that a more competitive MAC is good for everyone as it elevates the entire conference! I look forward to see continued improvement from the program and hopefully they join the dance for annual conference contender.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 15, 2018, 12:53:59 AM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

MAC Top Five Team's (2014-2017)

Team (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017): Point Total

1. Del Val (2, 2, 2, 1): 17
2. Stevenson (4, 3, 1, 4): 14
3. Albright (5, 1, 3, 2): 13 
4. Widener (1, 4, 4, 3): 12
5a. Lycoming (3, N/A, N/A, N/A): 3
5b. Leb Val (N/A, 5, N/A, 5): 2
5c. King's (N/A, N/A, 5, N/A): 1

Point Total= (1=5, 2=4, 3=3, 4=2, 5=1)
N/A= No Top Five Finish

Reaction:

This was an interesting nugget of information I dug up as the conference has formed a "final four" teams that contend annually before a sharp drop-off for fifth place in the conference. Going forward, I'm curious who starts to claim the fifth spot and tighten the gap between the four contenders and the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 15, 2018, 08:00:42 AM
Good luck today Widener, get the W!

Note to Coach Kelly: Don't let the bus driver use "Google".  :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 15, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 15, 2018, 12:53:59 AM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

MAC Top Five Team's (2014-2017)

Team (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017): Point Total

1. Del Val (2, 2, 2, 1): 17
2. Stevenson (4, 3, 1, 4): 14
3. Albright (5, 1, 3, 2): 13 
4. Widener (1, 4, 4, 3): 12
5a. Lycoming (3, N/A, N/A, N/A): 3
5b. Leb Val (N/A, 5, N/A, 5): 2
5c. King's (N/A, N/A, 5, N/A): 1

Point Total= (1=5, 2=4, 3=3, 4=2, 5=1)
N/A= No Top Five Finish

Reaction:

This was an interesting nugget of information I dug up as the conference has formed a "final four" teams that contend annually before a sharp drop-off for fifth place in the conference. Going forward, I'm curious who starts to claim the fifth spot and tighten the gap between the four contenders and the rest of the conference.

Looks like 3 and 4 are taking a minor step back this week in conference play. I do think this will be a wake up call for #4 and this was basically a fluke and major kudos to Misercordia for stepping up this week on a nice nailbiter game
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 15, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Gordon, you were so right - Wilkes played one heck of a game!   So glad we have Darden!!!   Congrats Aggies!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 15, 2018, 05:47:15 PM
Based on today's scores, the MAC looks very competitive this season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 15, 2018, 11:48:39 PM
It really does. King's, Wilkes, Misericordia all fared well today.

And when was the last time you looked at a Lycoming/FDU-Florham game, like next week's, and said, "That's a big game in the conference race?"
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 16, 2018, 12:08:02 AM
1995 - when I was still a young coach at FDU !! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 16, 2018, 12:16:29 AM
Speaking of which - wow - break up the Devils!

It's nice to see them have a good start - congrats to Coach Surace and all the players...who don't always have the understanding and complete support of the "powers that be" above the level of athletic department.... :-X
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on September 16, 2018, 08:39:49 AM
Came on looking to see comments about the Widener free fall after the loss to Misercordia and nothing.  There have to be issues since the team was predicted to go undefeated. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Machiavelli on September 16, 2018, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 16, 2018, 08:39:49 AM
Came on looking to see comments about the Widener free fall after the loss to Misercordia and nothing.  There have to be issues since the team was predicted to go undefeated.

Google it.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 16, 2018, 09:21:44 AM
Quote from: Baron von Machiavelli'th, XIII on September 16, 2018, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on September 16, 2018, 08:39:49 AM
Came on looking to see comments about the Widener free fall after the loss to Misercordia and nothing.  There have to be issues since the team was predicted to go undefeated.

Google it.

So the Widener Misericordia game was a hard fought game by both teams. Both offenses ran the ball well and passed enough to put up big points.   I have to congratulate Misericordia on the win.

Good call by Misericordia Coach Ross on the 2pt conversion for the win!

Dumb-ss call by Widener OC's Mike Kelly and Mike Brayniack for the loss! Inserting a freshman QB in the game on Widener's own 11 yard line after an 88 yard QB driven touchdown drive to make it 7-0? It was clear in the first quarter it was going to be a contest. Well, the dropped first snap by the young QB resulted in a fumble and touchdown by Misercordia. Everyone knew those 7 points would come back to hurt us and it did, that decision cost the team the game.  They had to play him on our own 11 yard line? Really, why? Sorry coaches, it's on you! 

I'll post later on the disgraceful Kelly show after the game again... it's astonishing! 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on September 16, 2018, 09:44:43 AM
Has to be a parent.  No way a player could be enrolled in any institution of higher learning and that above happen.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 16, 2018, 05:07:02 PM

Not a parent or a player but have now heard more than I wish from too many people. The games aside, Widener's Coach Kelly is like a forest fire wherever he goes and his response to these tough losses has been troubling. I learned yesterday that Kelly has a history of an anger management problem, that's public record. Widener hired him anyway. Now somewhat irrational statements on social media, public and personal denigration of student athletes on multiple occasions, and apparently challenging parents on the field after the game yesterday is some of what's going on there. Kelly's reaching a boiling point. This is not good for the team or the university and something needs to be done.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2018, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: LineCat on September 16, 2018, 05:07:02 PM

Not a parent or a player but have now heard more than I wish from too many people. The games aside, Widener's Coach Kelly is like a forest fire wherever he goes and his response to these tough losses has been troubling. I learned yesterday that Kelly has a history of an anger management problem, that's public record. Widener hired him anyway. Now somewhat irrational statements on social media, public and personal denigration of student athletes on multiple occasions, and apparently challenging parents on the field after the game yesterday is some of what's going on there. Kelly's reaching a boiling point. This is not good for the team or the university and something needs to be done.

Hey ... so, listen ... you're throwing out some third-hand stuff here and we don't really appreciate that on this board. The key indicator here is the word "apparently" -- this cements to me that you shouldn't really be posting it.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 17, 2018, 08:33:30 AM
Quote from: Machiavelli on September 14, 2018, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: pumkinattack on September 14, 2018, 01:40:16 PM
Player or coach?

Calling Special Agent Jonny Utah!!!

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/aDYXQy3W8XFG8/200_s.gif)

Ok so I've never really paid any attention to Widener football to about now (fun fact: Widener was known as Pennsylvania Military School until 1972.  My computer is broken so I opened up my Funk and Wagnalls which actually still lists the school as PMS, but that's another story for another time.)  I do know Widener has a very rich history of high level, even national championship caliber football, so it is good to see fans/players/coaches get fired up and proud of their football program.

Anyway, this youtube clip of Coach Kelly essentially throwing his players under the bus was interesting and here is my take.  Kelly is probably right and sometimes your players effort sucks, but often that is your fault, not the players.  To me, that presser was an obvious sign of frustration and I hope he apologized to the team and should clarify publicly that the coaching staff is also lacking effort and he simply forgot to add that in his speech. 

Side note, this Kelly guy has an interesting history, and guys like him are common in the football ranks.  He has that voice and tone that I see so much at coaching clinics and talking to coaches from across the country.  Almost salesman like, but I don't want to comment too much because I really don't know the guy and have no idea what kind of coach he is, what he does to prepare, how calls were handled in the game etc.  He has an impressive resume and in my mind deserves the benefit of the doubt here. 0-3 in year 5 is going to raise some questions though, and the pressure is on, especially after that speech and if it is true that he is "losing the locker room".

Which brings us to "linecat".

Here is who I think LineCat probably is.

15% current player
20% former player (or cut player)
15% former parent
35% current parent
5%   current coach
5%  former coach
5%  "fan"

Anyway the axe grinding is strong with him, bordering on personal.  Makes for good internet board talk though.  Hopefully we get more.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WidePride on September 17, 2018, 10:29:37 AM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 17, 2018, 08:33:30 AM
Quote from: Machiavelli on September 14, 2018, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: pumkinattack on September 14, 2018, 01:40:16 PM
Player or coach?

Calling Special Agent Jonny Utah!!!

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/aDYXQy3W8XFG8/200_s.gif)

Ok so I've never really paid any attention to Widener football to about now (fun fact: Widener was known as Pennsylvania Military School until 1972.  My computer is broken so I opened up my Funk and Wagnalls which actually still lists the school as PMS, but that's another story for another time.)  I do know Widener has a very rich history of high level, even national championship caliber football, so it is good to see fans/players/coaches get fired up and proud of their football program.

Anyway, this youtube clip of Coach Kelly essentially throwing his players under the bus was interesting and here is my take.  Kelly is probably right and sometimes your players effort sucks, but often that is your fault, not the players.  To me, that presser was an obvious sign of frustration and I hope he apologized to the team and should clarify publicly that the coaching staff is also lacking effort and he simply forgot to add that in his speech. 

Side note, this Kelly guy has an interesting history, and guys like him are common in the football ranks.  He has that voice and tone that I see so much at coaching clinics and talking to coaches from across the country.  Almost salesman like, but I don't want to comment too much because I really don't know the guy and have no idea what kind of coach he is, what he does to prepare, how calls were handled in the game etc.  He has an impressive resume and in my mind deserves the benefit of the doubt here. 0-3 in year 5 is going to raise some questions though, and the pressure is on, especially after that speech and if it is true that he is "losing the locker room".

Which brings us to "linecat".

Here is who I think LineCat probably is.

15% current player
20% former player (or cut player)
15% former parent
35% current parent
5%   current coach
5%  former coach
5%  "fan"

Anyway the axe grinding is strong with him, bordering on personal.  Makes for good internet board talk though.  Hopefully we get more.





You state "I hope he apologized to his team". The problem is, this isn't the first or even 20th time he's spoken to his team like this. This is what prompted my first post, to begin with.
As I mentioned in a previous post, it's one thing to rip your players in private. You can go so far as to say, "they blocked poorly", " the running game failed today" etc in a post game PC. Coaches fresh off a loss, may make a blunder that they regret. But this was done with enough time to think and absorb the loss.  Further, the things he said were completely bizarre and nonsensical.
I was at the game. I'll skip the Monday Morning QB spiel about how I or anyone thought the game should have been called. That's all subjective.
What's not is,  the fact that many* people ( mostly parents from what I could see) were livid. Had the "Google" video never happened, I think things would have been calmer. However, Coach Kelly painted a Bull's Eye on his own chest by making those foolish, degrading, harmful and team-spirit killing comments. Most folks are aware (or so I thought) of his prior legal issues. Again, if he was treating his players better, it may not be (as big) an issue.
But couple his history of abuse, with his current verbal abuse of his players, now you have a recipe for disaster, if not a coup'..!!!
I do not know what words were spoken, as I was some distance from the post game fracas. I did though, witness at least one parent make comments to Kelly, which caused to turn around and say something and gesture back.
This is clearly becoming a distraction for him and his team. I believe the AD should step in and control this before it spins out of control. In a way, I fear it's too late.
As for Linecat, who cares who or what he is? If he is a former, cut player or parent or whatever, if he makes factual points, that aren't from left field, it shouldn't matter who or what he is. Unfortunately, his sentiment is echoed by many others.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: pumkinattack on September 17, 2018, 10:38:12 AM
You know the owner and moderator of these boards like to check IP addresses, Mr new guy with three poata defending other new guy w massive axe to grind.

Everyone has seen this before here.  These moves aren't unique.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 17, 2018, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: WidePride on September 17, 2018, 10:29:37 AM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 17, 2018, 08:33:30 AM
Quote from: Machiavelli on September 14, 2018, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: pumkinattack on September 14, 2018, 01:40:16 PM
Player or coach?

Calling Special Agent Jonny Utah!!!

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/aDYXQy3W8XFG8/200_s.gif)

Ok so I've never really paid any attention to Widener football to about now (fun fact: Widener was known as Pennsylvania Military School until 1972.  My computer is broken so I opened up my Funk and Wagnalls which actually still lists the school as PMS, but that's another story for another time.)  I do know Widener has a very rich history of high level, even national championship caliber football, so it is good to see fans/players/coaches get fired up and proud of their football program.

Anyway, this youtube clip of Coach Kelly essentially throwing his players under the bus was interesting and here is my take.  Kelly is probably right and sometimes your players effort sucks, but often that is your fault, not the players.  To me, that presser was an obvious sign of frustration and I hope he apologized to the team and should clarify publicly that the coaching staff is also lacking effort and he simply forgot to add that in his speech. 

Side note, this Kelly guy has an interesting history, and guys like him are common in the football ranks.  He has that voice and tone that I see so much at coaching clinics and talking to coaches from across the country.  Almost salesman like, but I don't want to comment too much because I really don't know the guy and have no idea what kind of coach he is, what he does to prepare, how calls were handled in the game etc.  He has an impressive resume and in my mind deserves the benefit of the doubt here. 0-3 in year 5 is going to raise some questions though, and the pressure is on, especially after that speech and if it is true that he is "losing the locker room".

Which brings us to "linecat".

Here is who I think LineCat probably is.

15% current player
20% former player (or cut player)
15% former parent
35% current parent
5%   current coach
5%  former coach
5%  "fan"

Anyway the axe grinding is strong with him, bordering on personal.  Makes for good internet board talk though.  Hopefully we get more.





You state "I hope he apologized to his team". The problem is, this isn't the first or even 20th time he's spoken to his team like this. This is what prompted my first post, to begin with.
As I mentioned in a previous post, it's one thing to rip your players in private. You can go so far as to say, "they blocked poorly", " the running game failed today" etc in a post game PC. Coaches fresh off a loss, may make a blunder that they regret. But this was done with enough time to think and absorb the loss.  Further, the things he said were completely bizarre and nonsensical.
I was at the game. I'll skip the Monday Morning QB spiel about how I or anyone thought the game should have been called. That's all subjective.
What's not is,  the fact that many* people ( mostly parents from what I could see) were livid. Had the "Google" video never happened, I think things would have been calmer. However, Coach Kelly painted a Bull's Eye on his own chest by making those foolish, degrading, harmful and team-spirit killing comments. Most folks are aware (or so I thought) of his prior legal issues. Again, if he was treating his players better, it may not be (as big) an issue.
But couple his history of abuse, with his current verbal abuse of his players, now you have a recipe for disaster, if not a coup'..!!!
I do not know what words were spoken, as I was some distance from the post game fracas. I did though, witness at least one parent make comments to Kelly, which caused to turn around and say something and gesture back.
This is clearly becoming a distraction for him and his team. I believe the AD should step in and control this before it spins out of control. In a way, I fear it's too late.
As for Linecat, who cares who or what he is? If he is a former, cut player or parent or whatever, if he makes factual points, that aren't from left field, it shouldn't matter who or what he is. Unfortunately, his sentiment is echoed by many others.

First I don't think what he said was bizarre or nonsensical.  It how he shared it.  The players might not put forth an effort.  His google thing makes a lot of sense to me and is also probably true.  You just don't say that about your players on your team.  If he said it in general terms I think we would all agree with him.  But I'm 100% with you in terms of calling out his players in a public forum is uncalled for and not what d3 football is about, even if it were true. 

But it is also important who is posting here.  Parents of kids who don't start can be very disingenuous when it comes to commenting on the coach, especially when it is anonymous.  That is why I always try to be fair when talking about real people on here.  I'm giving Kelly the benefit of the doubt (except for his press conference) because only anonymous people have come on to criticize him.  If they are factual points but you lie about who you are, we as readers don't know what angle you are trying to take.  That is important in my opinion.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2018, 11:09:24 AM
Quote from: pumkinattack on September 17, 2018, 10:38:12 AM
You know the owner and moderator of these boards like to check IP addresses, Mr new guy with three roosts defending other new guy w massive axe to grind.

Everyone has seen this before here.  These moves aren't unique.

From an admin end they seem like different people so far but I agree that it looks like what you describe.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WidePride on September 17, 2018, 12:18:09 PM


First I don't think what he said was bizarre or nonsensical.  It how he shared it.  The players might not put forth an effort.  His google thing makes a lot of sense to me and is also probably true.  You just don't say that about your players on your team.  If he said it in general terms I think we would all agree with him.  But I'm 100% with you in terms of calling out his players in a public forum is uncalled for and not what d3 football is about, even if it were true.

I agree with you and that's basically what I wrote. If you want to rip your players, do it in  private and try to have some tact in public.  I still think blaming the whole Google thing is ridiculous. That in and of itself is a bit irrational. And no, it's not what D3, or any level of college football is about.

But it is also important who is posting here.  Parents of kids who don't start can be very disingenuous when it comes to commenting on the coach, especially when it is anonymous.  That is why I always try to be fair when talking about real people on here.  I'm giving Kelly the benefit of the doubt (except for his press conference) because only anonymous people have come on to criticize him.  If they are factual points but you lie about who you are, we as readers don't know what angle you are trying to take.  That is important in my opinion.
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Read, once again what I wrote. I said, if the Google press conference hadn't turned out like it did and/or, he didn't have the legal issue following him, people may see it differently. The reality is, both happened. My first post never mentioned his prior incident. That, I thought,  had nothing to do with the Google thing. Someone else brought that up. Did I not also state that the game outcome or how it was handled was subjective?
I also agree with you on the disingenuous parents comment. However, what points were brought up that were lies?  The Google PC is there to see/hear. Kelly's past is a fact. Do either play into what's happening with the team? I think so.
And no axe grinding. Just stating my opinion like so many others do...like you're opinion of who you think Linecat is.....is that in factual or opinion?


Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 17, 2018, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: WidePride on September 17, 2018, 12:18:09 PM


First I don't think what he said was bizarre or nonsensical.  It how he shared it.  The players might not put forth an effort.  His google thing makes a lot of sense to me and is also probably true.  You just don't say that about your players on your team.  If he said it in general terms I think we would all agree with him.  But I'm 100% with you in terms of calling out his players in a public forum is uncalled for and not what d3 football is about, even if it were true.

I agree with you and that's basically what I wrote. If you want to rip your players, do it in  private and try to have some tact in public.  I still think blaming the whole Google thing is ridiculous. That in and of itself is a bit irrational. And no, it's not what D3, or any level of college football is about.

But it is also important who is posting here.  Parents of kids who don't start can be very disingenuous when it comes to commenting on the coach, especially when it is anonymous.  That is why I always try to be fair when talking about real people on here.  I'm giving Kelly the benefit of the doubt (except for his press conference) because only anonymous people have come on to criticize him.  If they are factual points but you lie about who you are, we as readers don't know what angle you are trying to take.  That is important in my opinion.

Read, once again what I wrote. I said, if the Google press conference hadn't turned out like it did and/or, he didn't have the legal issue following him, people may see it differently. The reality is, both happened. My first post never mentioned his prior incident. That, I thought,  had nothing to do with the Google thing. Someone else brought that up. Did I not also state that the game outcome or how it was handled was subjective?
I also agree with you on the disingenuous parents comment. However, what points were brought up that were lies?  The Google PC is there to see/hear. Kelly's past is a fact. Do either play into what's happening with the team? I think so.
And no axe grinding. Just stating my opinion like so many others do...like you're opinion of who you think Linecat is.....is that in factual or opinion?
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I wasn't really responding to you, I was only commenting on the situation in general and the google press conference.

The lie was about saying someone was a "fan", which I cannot prove, but until you can prove otherwise, I will still think.  That does not mean what you are saying is a lie, only that I have to take it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WidePride on September 17, 2018, 01:22:07 PM


I wasn't really responding to you, I was only commenting on the situation in general and the google press conference.

The lie was about saying someone was a "fan", which I cannot prove, but until you can prove otherwise, I will still think.  That does not mean what you are saying is a lie, only that I have to take it with a grain of salt.
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ok  gotcha....and I'm very careful...fine line between "someone's perception" and BS. I can't vouch for the other posters....but me??...
I'm just giving my opinion on an issue I have seen and fear will fester.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on September 17, 2018, 01:24:17 PM
Quote from: WidePride on September 17, 2018, 01:22:07 PM


I wasn't really responding to you, I was only commenting on the situation in general and the google press conference.

The lie was about saying someone was a "fan", which I cannot prove, but until you can prove otherwise, I will still think.  That does not mean what you are saying is a lie, only that I have to take it with a grain of salt.

ok  gotcha....and I'm very careful...fine line between "someone's perception" and BS. I can't vouch for the other posters....but me??...
I'm just giving my opinion on an issue I have seen and fear will fester.
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Yea I mean a quick google search will tell you that this guy is a hot head who probably wouldn't have been hired if the job were to open up today.  He better be careful if he wants to keep coaching. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WidePride on September 17, 2018, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on September 17, 2018, 01:24:17 PM
Quote from: WidePride on September 17, 2018, 01:22:07 PM


I wasn't really responding to you, I was only commenting on the situation in general and the google press conference.

The lie was about saying someone was a "fan", which I cannot prove, but until you can prove otherwise, I will still think.  That does not mean what you are saying is a lie, only that I have to take it with a grain of salt.

ok  gotcha....and I'm very careful...fine line between "someone's perception" and BS. I can't vouch for the other posters....but me??...
I'm just giving my opinion on an issue I have seen and fear will fester.

Yea I mean a quick google search will tell you that this guy is a hot head who probably wouldn't have been hired if the job were to open up today.  He better be careful if he wants to keep coaching.
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Google search does reveal an arrest for a domestic dispute, with charges dropped. You can read into that 200 different ways. Hopefully WU did it's due diligence with his background, before hiring him. The rumors mills about parent comments and alleged players comments and complaints, as you said, should be taken with a grain of salt. I've always held that, "you take what's said, divide by 4 and that's the truth". I'm finding that even when divided by 4, too many things about this guy are troublesome at best.
The wonderful thing about the truth is, it's always eventually revealed. We shall see...!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 19, 2018, 11:50:19 PM
Below are my week 4 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 4 Predictions

Albright (-2.5) @ Widener: Albright wins by 3

Stevenson (-9.5) @ King's: Stevenson wins by 17

Misericordia @ Wilkes (-5.5): Wilkes wins by 7

Lycoming (-6.5) @ FDU: Lycoming wins by 7

Alvernia @ Del Val (-46.5): Del Val wins by 42

Week 4 Rankings
1. Stevenson (2-1, 1-0)
2. Del Val (2-1, 1-0)
3. Lycoming (2-1, 1-0)
4. FDU (3-0, 1-0)
5. Albright (0-3, 0-1)
6. Widener (0-3, 0-1)
7. Wilkes (1-2, 0-1)
8. King's (1-1, 0-0)
9. Leb Val (0-3, 0-1) 
10. Misericordia (1-1, 1-0)
11. Alvernia (1-1, 0-1)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 5-1 (.833)
Season: 17-6 (.739)
Career: 60-24 (.714)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 20, 2018, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 15, 2018, 11:48:39 PM
It really does. King's, Wilkes, Misericordia all fared well today.

And when was the last time you looked at a Lycoming/FDU-Florham game, like next week's, and said, "That's a big game in the conference race?"

Great to see the MAC race off to a strong start! It's been some time since the league looked as balanced as it appears to be this season.

My thanks for all of the positive comments on Wilkes; while they came up short against the Aggies, I think Coach Drach and the Colonels continue to improve each week.

I'll need to miss the game with Misericordia this week, but I look forward to seeing (hopefully) both the games against Alvernia and Albright in the next few weeks. Here's to a great rest of the season to all!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 21, 2018, 07:47:15 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 20, 2018, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 15, 2018, 11:48:39 PM
It really does. King's, Wilkes, Misericordia all fared well today.

And when was the last time you looked at a Lycoming/FDU-Florham game, like next week's, and said, "That's a big game in the conference race?"

Great to see the MAC race off to a strong start! It's been some time since the league looked as balanced as it appears to be this season.

My thanks for all of the positive comments on Wilkes; while they came up short against the Aggies, I think Coach Drach and the Colonels continue to improve each week.

I'll need to miss the game with Misericordia this week, but I look forward to seeing (hopefully) both the games against Alvernia and Albright in the next few weeks. Here's to a great rest of the season to all!

Widener 27  -  Albright 24.   
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 21, 2018, 10:47:29 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 20, 2018, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 15, 2018, 11:48:39 PM
It really does. King's, Wilkes, Misericordia all fared well today.

And when was the last time you looked at a Lycoming/FDU-Florham game, like next week's, and said, "That's a big game in the conference race?"

Great to see the MAC race off to a strong start! It's been some time since the league looked as balanced as it appears to be this season.

My thanks for all of the positive comments on Wilkes; while they came up short against the Aggies, I think Coach Drach and the Colonels continue to improve each week.

I'll need to miss the game with Misericordia this week, but I look forward to seeing (hopefully) both the games against Alvernia and Albright in the next few weeks. Here's to a great rest of the season to all!

The season is always better when you have more contenders in the race for the MAC!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 21, 2018, 10:50:33 PM
Quote from: LineCat on September 21, 2018, 07:47:15 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on September 20, 2018, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on September 15, 2018, 11:48:39 PM
It really does. King's, Wilkes, Misericordia all fared well today.

And when was the last time you looked at a Lycoming/FDU-Florham game, like next week's, and said, "That's a big game in the conference race?"

Great to see the MAC race off to a strong start! It's been some time since the league looked as balanced as it appears to be this season.

My thanks for all of the positive comments on Wilkes; while they came up short against the Aggies, I think Coach Drach and the Colonels continue to improve each week.

I'll need to miss the game with Misericordia this week, but I look forward to seeing (hopefully) both the games against Alvernia and Albright in the next few weeks. Here's to a great rest of the season to all!

Widener 27  -  Albright 24.

This game is intriguing as both teams have much to earn from a win, which leads me to believe the game be a one possession game that could swing either direction.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 21, 2018, 11:02:12 PM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

Most All-MAC Team Selections (2014-2017)

Team (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017): #

1. Del Val (11, 14, 18, 19): 62
2. Albright (11, 15, 16, 12): 54
3. Widener (18, 13, 12, 9): 52
4. Stevenson (10, 10, 17, 11): 48
5. Lycoming (13, 5, 5, 5): 28
6. Leb Val (8, 9, 7, 5): 27
7. Wilkes (6, 9, 7, 2): 24
8. King's (4, 4, 5, 6): 19
9. Misericordia (2, 5, 3, 3): 13
10. FDU (1, 3, 4, 3): 11

Reaction:

A few surprises as I wouldn't believe FDU to have the least All-MAC players since 2014. Wilkes was a somewhat surprise with 24 selections, which goes to prove they could be a serious threat going forward with the new coaching staff already producing a better team. The usually top teams of Del Val, Albright, Widener, and Stevenson is unlikely to surprise anybody.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on September 22, 2018, 08:37:31 AM
Not a lot of wins for FDU over that stretch. Crazy they can get to 4-0 with a win today.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 22, 2018, 05:53:09 PM
I see Widener came alive - BIG TIME!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 24, 2018, 06:31:09 AM
 Nice win for team Widener. Congratulations!   
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 26, 2018, 08:29:23 AM
Big game on Saturday at 1 pm between the Aggies of Del Val and Stevenson at Owings Mills.   Homer that i am, GO AGGIES!   We'll be watching on the web.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 26, 2018, 01:15:03 PM
Quote from: kate on September 26, 2018, 08:29:23 AM
Big game on Saturday at 1 pm between the Aggies of Del Val and Stevenson at Owings Mills.   Homer that i am, GO AGGIES!   We'll be watching on the web.

I'm thrilled for this matchup as I expect it to be a good game and possible unofficial MAC championship game! I'm hopeful I can make it to the game and cheer on my Mustangs!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 26, 2018, 07:04:16 PM
Below are my week 5 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 5 Predictions

Widener (-3.5) @ Leb Val: Widener wins by 7

Del Val (-7.5) @ Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 3

King's @ Lycoming (-9.5): Lycoming wins by 10

FDU @ Albright (-3.5): FDU wins by 7

Castleton @ Misericordia (-18.5): Misericordia wins by 17

Wilkes (-15.5) @ Alvernia: Wilkes wins by 14

Week 5 Rankings
1. Stevenson (3-1, 2-0)
2. Del Val (3-1, 2-0)
3. Lycoming (3-1, 2-0)
4. FDU (3-1, 1-1)
5. Misericordia (2-1, 2-0)
6. Widener (1-3, 1-1)
7. King's (1-2, 0-1)
8. Wilkes (1-3, 0-2)
9. Albright (0-4, 0-2) 
10. Leb Val (0-3, 0-1)
11. Alvernia (1-2, 0-2)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 3-2 (.600)
Season: 20-8 (.714)
Career: 63-26 (.708)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on September 28, 2018, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 26, 2018, 01:15:03 PM
Quote from: kate on September 26, 2018, 08:29:23 AM
Big game on Saturday at 1 pm between the Aggies of Del Val and Stevenson at Owings Mills.   Homer that i am, GO AGGIES!   We'll be watching on the web.

I'm thrilled for this matchup as I expect it to be a good game and possible unofficial MAC championship game! I'm hopeful I can make it to the game and cheer on my Mustangs!

Yep it ought to be a good game and it's mass band day for the marching band which means 400+ high school kids in the stands as well playing with the band at the half. This will probably be the likely game to decide the championship but again it seems somewhat an open year where anyone will surprise and the teams need to play their game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on September 28, 2018, 09:08:36 PM
Saturday Prediction. Widener 24  -  Lebanon Valley 17.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 28, 2018, 11:47:58 PM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

MAC Champion Scoring Offense & Defensive (2014-2017)

Year Team: #MAC Rank (Off. Points), #MAC Rank (Def. Points)

2014 Widener: #2 (37.3), #2 (17.4)
2015 Albright: #1 (35.2), #4 (19.3)
2016 Stevenson: #2 (34.9), #3 (19.0)
2017 Del Val: #1 (38.6), #1 (10.5)

Reaction:

This research shows a few interesting pieces of relevant information. First, I believe this shows the importance of offense slightly higher than defense as the MAC champ has consistently finished top two within the conference. Also, the data starts to build a profile of the standard to win the MAC; an offense that averages 36+ points and a defense that allows no more than 18 points per game. At this point of the season, no team meets both metrics so it will be an interesting race to witness who has the fastest improvement going forward.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 29, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
Nice win on the road, Aggies - Go Del Val!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on September 29, 2018, 04:33:30 PM
Awesome win! In full disclosure, I'm a biased fan by default. I gotta say the fact that so many people wrote these guys off at the beginning of the season makes this win extra special.  I don't even think Greco knew what he had at the start of the season.  Great job by a bunch of roll players.  Teamwork makes the dream work.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 29, 2018, 06:40:32 PM
Quote from: Graham8020 on September 29, 2018, 04:33:30 PM
Awesome win! In full disclosure, I'm a biased fan by default. I gotta say the fact that so many people wrote these guys off at the beginning of the season makes this win extra special.  I don't even think Greco knew what he had at the start of the season.  Great job by a bunch of roll players.  Teamwork makes the dream work.

Lost 9 of 11 defensive starters and 3 underclassmen who would have started didn't return
Lost 6 of 11 offensive starters including two All-Conference offensive linemen, the MAC's best RB (as well as his two primary, underclassmen, backup's) and their best receiver starts at CB on defense
Their best RB is in the stands and is enrolled with 4 years of eligibility remaining..................watch out for this kid (name not important) over the coming years

The Preseason Coaches Poll is a bit of a sham (I've talked to coaches who love to put the target on a team, some even collude to do it together) as any team losing 15 of 22 starters is not the "best" team in the league, especially with the number of key returning players across most other teams in the MAC.

They are quite young at many positions, although filling Darden's shoes will be a tall task. If they are able to do that, next year's team could be somewhere between last year's team and this year's.

There is no doubt in my mind that Coach Greco and Crew are the best coaching staff in this conference. With many other teams rolling out much larger packages and nicer facilities, what they do year in and year out is nothing short of a miracle. I love hungry players who aren't impressed by slick facilities. Give me a bunch of hungry (Jason Kelce) kids who bring the inner dog in them!

I haven't seen them in person this year as work has taken me out of the area but they are exceeding my expectations thus far.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on September 30, 2018, 10:12:34 AM
They're beyond stacked at WR. There are 2 or 3 more on the team that are actually a little more polished than the one you're referring to which leads me to my segue about the QB position. Darden, is an athlete back there but I think you'll be surprised about what's coming behind him. The more they win the more talented transfers just pop up on Dukes doorstep.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on October 03, 2018, 07:12:21 AM
Keep the wins coming Widener. The offense looks good but the kickoff team cannot continue to allow another two returns a game and the defense still needs improvement to compete in the games ahead.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 03, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
So..... Another season of DVU delivering beatdowns. Anything else I missed? Kate you can fill me in... Peace
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 04, 2018, 12:46:27 PM
Below are my week 6 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 6 Predictions

Albright (-3.5) @ Wilkes: Wilkes wins by 3

Alvernia @ Misericordia (-17.5): Misericordia wins by 14

Widener @ King's (-0.5): Widener wins by 3

Leb Val @ Stevenson (-18.5): Stevenson wins by 17

Week 6 Rankings
1. Del Val (4-1, 3-0)
2. Stevenson (3-2, 2-1)
3. Lycoming (3-2, 2-1)
4. King's (2-2, 1-1)
5. FDU (4-1, 2-1)
6. Misericordia (3-1, 2-0)
7. Widener (2-3, 2-1)
8. Wilkes (2-3, 1-2)
9. Albright (0-5, 0-3) 
10. Leb Val (0-4, 0-2)
11. Alvernia (1-3, 0-3)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-2 (.667)
Season: 24-10 (.706)
Career: 67-28 (.705)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 04, 2018, 07:05:49 PM
Quote from: PBR... on October 03, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
So..... Another season of DVU delivering beatdowns. Anything else I missed? Kate you can fill me in... Peace

PBR, this board is on life support and that's why I'm barely around anymore. The amazing thing about DVU this year is that they lost 9 out of 11 defensive starters and three underclassmen who would have started didn't return. They lost 6 out of 11 offensive starters and their best WR is playing CB! They also lost their stud KR and PR (two different players) from last year. Many MAC schools had a ton of returning players this year and I must admit that I am stunned, so far, by the Aggies this season (albeit from quite a distance this year). They are YOUNG at many positions, starting FIVE freshmen on defense!

They still have very, very seasoned and experienced teams on the schedule. King's and Widener on the road should be very tough games, especially a very experienced Widener team, and Lycoming brings a ton of experienced players back yet again. Lyco started a bunch of freshmen and sophomores two seasons ago and this is to be the payoff season (like the Aggies last year).

If the Aggies win the MAC this year, they should build a statue of Coach Greco. But next year, the defense brings back 9 starters AND a monster stud (6'5" / 285 pounds) who is injured. The offense needs to backfill Darden at QB, but returns four linemen, a plethora of WR's, both TE's and all of the RB's (with the next RB stud in the fold already). If they figure out the QB position and the new RB plays up to his capabilities, with this defense being a year older..................it could be a season like last season in DTown!! God, I miss my beautiful hamlet of Doylestown (but couldn't turn down the money)!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on October 05, 2018, 07:51:47 AM
....especially a very experienced Widener team, ...

Coach kelly said at his press conference kids are leaving and kids are asking to leave. Seniors, former starters, captains, riding the bench and with first year coordinators it's more like the Trump white house.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 05, 2018, 11:14:38 PM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

2018 Points Per Play (Thru Week 5)

1. Widener: .551
2. Misericordia: .539
3. Del Val: .489
4. Stevenson: .456
5. FDU: .448
6. King's: .417
7. Wilkes: .414
8. Leb Val: .339
9. Lycoming: .310
10. Alvernia: .267
11. Albright: .220

Reaction:

A few noteworthy results were revealed through this research. Misericordia has what looks to be a lethal offense if this trend continues through the season. Their offense seems to be what has been the main reason for their surprise season so far. Widener could be a dangerous team with a MAC best PPP offense and an improving defense. The final MAC game against Del Val could have huge conference implication if they continue to improve. Albright has been a horrible disappointment in nearly every statistical way so I'm intrigued how the rest of the season unfold for them.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 06, 2018, 11:37:50 AM
Quote from: LineCat on October 05, 2018, 07:51:47 AM
....especially a very experienced Widener team, ...

Coach kelly said at his press conference kids are leaving and kids are asking to leave. Seniors, former starters, captains, riding the bench and with first year coordinators it's more like the Trump white house.

That's an excuse for Kelly and for Widener. I'm quite close to a few people in the program (including one of the coaches) and many one and two year starters are back in the fold. The QB, best two WR's and most skill position players are back as are many of the defensive players from last year, including Char, the best defensive player in the MAC.

Also, I can tell that you are most likely a young millennial.  Your second sentence is absurd at best. You've got a former NFL linebacker coaching the defense so please don't go down the first year coordinator path. DelVal has 17 FIRST TIME STARTERS this year! Also, if Widener was like the Trump White House, given the success to date, they'd be undefeated and would never have lost to Miserbleicordia and Lycoming!!

You are so way out over your CNN skis. As a corporate attorney (me, not you) and a wealth manager/trader (me, not you) for very wealthy clients, I am so thankful that I didn't listen to the geniuses who in November 2016, predicted a 15%-25% immediate collapse in the financial markets if Trump pulled off the massive upset. I see the portfolio balances of my clients, my friends and my own accounts and as a corporate attorney (mergers and acquisitions), I see business and consumer confidence levels at all time highs. These are tangible facts, not CNN nonsense. I didn't vote for him (nor her) but if leaving the Trump White House results in the lowest unemployment rate since December 1969, getting rid of the business stifling onerous over-regulation, corporate tax cuts to make us competitive on the world landscape (we previously had the third highest corporate tax rates out of all of the industrialized countries), repatriation of hundreds of billions of dollars in off shore accounts, individual tax cuts, increased tax credits for the poor, building up a formerly weakened military, standing up to the thieves in China and on and on and on........................let them all leave (with the exception of Wilbur Ross, Mike Pompeo and Larry Kudlow). The key folks are still there and aren't going anywhere. Do some homework instead of listening to CNN.....................and listening to a Kelly press conference. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 06, 2018, 11:45:05 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 05, 2018, 11:14:38 PM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

2018 Points Per Play (Thru Week 5)

1. Widener: .551
2. Misericordia: .539
3. Del Val: .489
4. Stevenson: .456
5. FDU: .448
6. King's: .417
7. Wilkes: .414
8. Leb Val: .339
9. Lycoming: .310
10. Alvernia: .267
11. Albright: .220

Reaction:

A few noteworthy results were revealed through this research. Misericordia has what looks to be a lethal offense if this trend continues through the season. Their offense seems to be what has been the main reason for their surprise season so far. Widener could be a dangerous team with a MAC best PPP offense and an improving defense. The final MAC game against Del Val could have huge conference implication if they continue to improve. Albright has been a horrible disappointment in nearly every statistical way so I'm intrigued how the rest of the season unfold for them.

If you go by starter experience (the facts, not LineCat's incorrect comment about many Widener seniors and returning starters either quitting or riding the bench) and the fact that the game is at Widener, if Widener is still in the running for the MAC Championship and automatic bid when they play DelVal (and looking at their schedule, they certainly should be), they should beat DelVal when they play in Chester. If Widener is out of the running, I expect a good, tough game, given the Keystone Cup, bragging rights and recruiting for the 2019 season, I'll take DelVal in a close one.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2018, 11:50:11 AM
For the sake of sanity and civility, let us please not have political partisanship in our posts. We had more than enough of that six years ago.  :(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 06, 2018, 02:55:46 PM
Thank you Warren, and jm, i beg to differ - this site is NOT on life support!    As always, hopeless homer that i am - GO DEL VAL - GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 10, 2018, 09:19:32 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2018, 11:50:11 AM
For the sake of sanity and civility, let us please not have political partisanship in our posts. We had more than enough of that six years ago.  :(

I'm with Warren on this one!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 10, 2018, 09:49:45 PM
Howdy to all, I hope everyone has been enjoying the season.

Since my last post I have had two opportunities to see Wilkes in person: September 29 vs. Alvernia at FirstEnergy Stadium, and October 6 for homecoming vs. Albright. A few observations...

- It's been great to see the Colonels playing with confidence, moving the ball and scoring throughout the game. There is still much work to be done, but the team is clearly growing and maturing.

- I was impressed with both Alvernia and Albright. The Golden Wolves have a ton of athleticism, played with grit, and have the potential to be a major factor in the conference, sooner rather than later. Albright appeared to have a small travel roster- some of their fans gave various reasons for this to people I talked with- but the team played all-out for the entire game. The Lions had an outstanding passing attack that cut the Colonels defense to shreds; thankfully the Wilkes offense was able to keep pace and get the last score. Albright also featured some good running backs who played better when more North-South running plays were called.

- Last but not least, 10 years out from my graduation :o, the Wilkes campus and academic programs continue to develop in spectacular fashion. As a communications department alum I was thrilled to see all programs for communications housed in a newly-renovated HQ on Main Street last year. The renovations this year to Stark Learning Center (home to the engineering and pharmacy programs) have been absolutely stunning. These are among many functional upgrades to walkways, crosswalks (vitally important on a downtown campus) and open spaces on campus, with extensive upgrades planned soon for the Ralston Athletic Complex. All of these developments compliment the growth in academic programs and achievements over the same period. It's great to look back over a full decade and realize how much better and stronger the school has gotten since my graduation.

I note these not to boast about my alma mater, but to highlight it as running with the rest of the MAC schools at the top of the pack among small, private universities in America.

I plan on seeing the Colonels in action in their last two games, against Lycoming and King's. If the FDU game was played on a Saturday, I'd probably make the drive to Madison, but the Friday night date just won't jive for me this year. Cheers everyone  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 11, 2018, 12:38:09 PM
Below are my week 7 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 7 Predictions

Wilkes @ FDU (-5.5): FDU wins by 7

Misericordia @ Leb Val (-3.5): Leb Val wins by 7

Lycoming @ Del Val (-21.5): Del Val wins by 21

King's (-24.5) @ Alvernia: King's wins by 21

Stevenson (-12.5) @ Widener: Stevenson wins by 3

Week 7 Rankings
1. Del Val (4-1, 3-0)
2. Stevenson (4-2, 3-1)
3. Lycoming (3-2, 2-1)
4. Misericordia (4-1, 3-0)
5. Widener (3-3, 3-1)
6. King's (2-3, 1-2)
7. FDU (4-1, 2-1)
8. Wilkes (3-3, 2-2)
9. Leb Val (0-5, 0-3) 
10. Albright (0-6, 0-4)
11. Alvernia (1-4, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-0 (1.000)
Season: 28-10 (.737)
Career: 71-28 (.717)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 11, 2018, 01:42:44 PM
QuoteFor the sake of sanity and civility, let us please not have political partisanship in our posts. We had more than enough of that six years ago.  :(

Amen.

I think Lycoming will play DVU close, similar to the Wilkes' game. A 21-point win would surprise me.

And not to be Debby Downer, but I don't see how anyone could be impressed with Albright this year. However they executed particular plays and drives, this is a winless team and I doubt anyone on their staff or roster would describe that as anything other than a disappointment.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2018, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 10, 2018, 09:19:32 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2018, 11:50:11 AM
For the sake of sanity and civility, let us please not have political partisanship in our posts. We had more than enough of that six years ago.  :(

I'm with Warren on this one!

I'm with Warren on this one as well. My commentary was simply (and simple) the education of a new, young poster who interjected his personal politics on to a football forum. He learned his lesson. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2018, 01:50:44 PM
He learned his lesson. ;)

Facts not in evidence!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 13, 2018, 12:45:20 AM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

2018 Opponent's Points Per Play (Thru Week 6)

1. Del Val: .309
2. FDU: .338
3. Stevenson: .341
4. Widener: .361
5. Lycoming: .371
6. Leb Val: .462
7. King's: .490
8. Wilkes: .506
9. Misericordia: .555
10. Alvernia: .556
11. Albright: .849

Reaction:

FDU is a surprise as few would expect their defense to be playing statistically well. Other's such as Misericordia seem to be pulling out wins through offensive excellence. Albright is just purely surprising for how poor their season has unfolded as they could possibly go winless. There is no surprise with four of the top five teams traditionally proving to have strong defenses. This week's group of games could have a few defensive slugfests if these numbers are any indication.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 13, 2018, 03:03:11 PM
Too close for comfort, Del Val, but nice 23/16 Homecoming win over Lyco!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on October 14, 2018, 06:05:19 PM
Too, too close... everyone is susceptible to an off day, you just hope it's not your QB. Lol.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 17, 2018, 01:49:18 PM
Thanks so much to the powers that be here on D3 sports for the great article on the Nobile twins, Anthony and Michael, playing for Del Val!   Two great defensive players and i'm glad that they're both Aggies!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2018, 02:04:46 PM
Quote from: kate on October 17, 2018, 01:49:18 PM
Thanks so much to the powers that be here on D3 sports for the great article on the Nobile twins, Anthony and Michael, playing for Del Val!   Two great defensive players and i'm glad that they're both Aggies!!!

Huge hat tip to Gordon Mann, who focuses on D3hoops.com content but put me onto this great storyline.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 17, 2018, 08:21:21 PM
My pleasure. I'm looking forward to another 3+ years of Nobile Brother highlights.  Nickname suggestions are welcome. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AUPepBand on October 17, 2018, 09:59:18 PM
Double Nobile A&M Aggies
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on October 18, 2018, 10:55:13 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 17, 2018, 08:21:21 PM
My pleasure. I'm looking forward to another 3+ years of Nobile Brother highlights.  Nickname suggestions are welcome. :)

The Bruise Brothers
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 18, 2018, 03:44:32 PM
Ooh! Bruise Brothers! I like that one!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 18, 2018, 03:45:03 PM
I like the A&M reference too, though it took me a second to get it. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2018, 08:41:25 AM
A refrain from a bad disco song from the 70's or 80's (and an ode to where the Nobile's...........and half of the Aggies roster seems to be from, Brick, NJ) :)

"Well they're a Brick, House. The Nobile's are mighty, mighty, just lettin it all hang out. They're a brick, house".

Now I have to YouTube the song!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on October 19, 2018, 08:45:07 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 06, 2018, 11:50:11 AM
For the sake of sanity and civility, let us please not have political partisanship in our posts. We had more than enough of that six years ago.  :(

Warren with the long memory of the old days around here...  ;)  LewDogg, Gro, Regulator, etc..   I remember thy person that you speaketh and reference of...  :D    (Rowan fan if memory serves me right...)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on October 19, 2018, 01:22:13 PM
I know there are still a few more games left to be played in the regular season, but in the event Misericordia and Del Val tie for 1st place, who advances to the D3 playoffs?  Would they play a tie breaker game, fuzzy math, or a shake of the magic 8Ball?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2018, 02:36:34 PM
The tiebreaker for that situation would be whichever team played the tougher conference schedule, measured by the records of the teams they beat in the conference. It would basically come down to whether Stevenson outperformed FDU-Florham.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 19, 2018, 06:49:25 PM
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

Wilkes @ Stevenson (-20.5): Stevenson wins by 21

Alvernia @ Lycoming (-27.5): Lycoming wins by 27

King's (-7.5) @ Albright: King's wins by 10

Del Val (-30.5) @ Leb Val: Del Val wins by 24

FDU (-4.5) @ Misericordia: FDU wins by 3

Week 8 Rankings
1. Del Val (5-1, 4-0)
2. Stevenson (5-2, 4-1)
3. Misericordia (5-1, 4-0)
4. King's (3-3, 2-2)
5. Lycoming (3-3, 2-2)
6. Wilkes (4-3, 3-2)
7. FDU (4-2, 2-2)
8. Widener (3-4, 3-2)
9. Leb Val (0-6, 0-4) 
10. Albright (0-6, 0-4)
11. Alvernia (1-5, 0-5)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 3-2 (.600)
Season: 31-12 (.721)
Career: 74-30 (.712)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 20, 2018, 01:16:13 AM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

2018 Pace Sec. (Thru Week 7)

1. Widener: 23.985
2. King's: 24.292
3. FDU: 25.518
4. Albright: 26.305
5. Alvernia: 27.761
6. Leb Val: 27.679
7. Misericordia: 28.416
8. Wilkes: 28.575
9. Del Val: 28.599
10. Stevenson: 29.481
11. Lycoming: 30.000

Reaction:

A better statistic compared to plays per game, this shows some obvious and surprising results. The most obvious was Leb Val burning the most play clock. Misericordia is somewhat surprising since most assumptions would be a surprise season like their's tend to be a result of running a fast paced offense; however, this hasn't been the case. Overall, most would believe the typical narrative you hear on broadcast about the hurry up offenses contributing to teams overachieving, but this actually suggest no significant correlation.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 23, 2018, 08:47:48 AM
After 26 years as Del Val's outstanding Sport's Information Director, Matt Levy is going to an administration job at Penn State Abington.   Of course we wish him the very best in his new job, but he does leave huge shoes to fill in Aggieland.   Gordon Mann, i'm sure you will miss him.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 23, 2018, 11:06:14 AM
Best of luck to Matt! Great guy.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 23, 2018, 11:32:18 AM
Quote from: kate on October 23, 2018, 08:47:48 AM
After 26 years as Del Val's outstanding Sport's Information Director, Matt Levy is going to an administration job at Penn State Abington.   Of course we wish him the very best in his new job, but he does leave huge shoes to fill in Aggieland.   Gordon Mann, i'm sure you will miss him.

Congratulations to a great guy!! Matt doesn't look a day over 40 so he must have started with DelVal at 14.............the Aggies version of Doogie Howser, Matty Howser Levy!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on October 25, 2018, 07:58:53 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 20, 2018, 01:16:13 AM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

2018 Pace Sec. (Thru Week 7)

1. Widener: 23.985
2. King's: 24.292
3. FDU: 25.518
4. Albright: 26.305
5. Alvernia: 27.761
6. Leb Val: 27.679
7. Misericordia: 28.416
8. Wilkes: 28.575
9. Del Val: 28.599
10. Stevenson: 29.481
11. Lycoming: 30.000

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A better statistic compared to plays per game, this shows some obvious and surprising results. The most obvious was Leb Val burning the most play clock. Misericordia is somewhat surprising since most assumptions would be a surprise season like their's tend to be a result of running a fast paced offense; however, this hasn't been the case. Overall, most would believe the typical narrative you hear on broadcast about the hurry up offenses contributing to teams overachieving, but this actually suggest no significant correlation.


So Widener (3-4) has been outscored the second half of each and every single game this year except against Albright who is just way down this year. Fact. How does that happen?     
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on October 25, 2018, 10:16:41 AM
Could be a number of things... A lot of coaches make adjustments during the half. Some get too comfortable and innocently put the game solely in the hands of the players.  It could also be a thing of conditioning, some teams simply run out of gas in the 2nd half; especially when they lack depth and rely heavily on their starters to do it all.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 26, 2018, 01:31:22 AM
Below are my week 9 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 9 Predictions

Lycoming (-10.5) @ Wilkes: Lycoming wins by 10

Misericordia @ King's (-4.5): King's wins by 3

Albright @ Del Val (-27.5): Del Val wins by 35

Leb Val @ FDU (-0.5): FDU wins by 3

Alvernia @ Widener (-28.5): Widener wins by 31

Week 9 Rankings
1. Del Val (6-1, 5-0)
2. Stevenson (6-2, 5-1)
3. Misericordia (6-1, 5-0)
4. King's (4-3, 3-2)
5. Lycoming (4-3, 3-2)
6. Wilkes (4-4, 3-3)
7. FDU (4-3, 2-3)
8. Widener (3-4, 3-2)
9. Leb Val (0-7, 0-5) 
10. Albright (0-7, 0-5)
11. Alvernia (1-6, 0-6)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 35-13 (.729)
Career: 78-31 (.716)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 26, 2018, 02:56:31 PM
Do you think Misericordia regularly prints these picks out and posts them on their bulletin board for game day at this point? :)

Whatever they are doing, it's working.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 26, 2018, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 26, 2018, 02:56:31 PM
Do you think Misericordia regularly prints these picks out and posts them on their bulletin board for game day at this point? :)

Whatever they are doing, it's working.

I was thinking the same thing, tweisman should just put them at #1 and then that would bring them back down to earth...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 26, 2018, 04:05:59 PM
I'm hesitant to pick Misericordia because I have a gut feeling the week I do they will let me down. I'm aware of the irony of consistently being proven wrong and I applaud them for doing so! If they can finish strong these final few weeks, I will remember this season going forward and it will carry more weight in future picks.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on October 26, 2018, 05:15:57 PM
I would hope that future scheduling would allow the top 3 teams to go head to head at some point during their season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 26, 2018, 10:20:39 PM
Quote from: kate on October 23, 2018, 08:47:48 AM
After 26 years as Del Val's outstanding Sport's Information Director, Matt Levy is going to an administration job at Penn State Abington.   Of course we wish him the very best in his new job, but he does leave huge shoes to fill in Aggieland.   Gordon Mann, i'm sure you will miss him.

While I have yet to meet Matt in person, he treated me very graciously in my days of working for the Colonels.  As I tried to collect game programs and media guides for all of the MAC teams each year, he would send me copies of those items during the seasons we did not play at Del Val, and had them waiting for me when we made the trip to Doylestown. Small gestures in the grand scheme, but it was incredibly kind of him, and helped set a good professional example for me at a young stage in my career. All the best to Matt on his new adventure!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 27, 2018, 01:53:39 AM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

2018 Opponents Points Per Play (Thru Week 8)

1. Del Val: .274
2. Lycoming: .310
3. Stevenson: .313
4. Widener: .357
5. FDU: .369
6. King's: .446
7. Wilkes: .483
8. Leb Val: .511
9. Misericordia: .520
10. Alvernia: .602
11. Albright: .778

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I was somewhat surprise at the dismal PPP Albright has posted so far this season, but seems to be one of several factors for their underachieving season. If Misericordia sweeps their final games this season, it will be largely due to their offense as the defense still needs improvement to contribute to their surprising success this season. FDU posting a MAC top 5 defense this point in time is remarkable as I usually associate them being an offensive driven team.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 27, 2018, 11:04:44 PM
Congrats to FDU today - getting to 5 wins on the season - most since 1999!
Despite the weather, it was a great atmosphere with the school celebrating the 25th anniversary of its best season ever - the 8-3 1993 squad. For a school with not a lot of football history, here's hoping Coach Surace and the staff continue to get things going in the right direction!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 28, 2018, 04:07:45 PM
Quote from: bill on October 27, 2018, 11:04:44 PM
Congrats to FDU today - getting to 5 wins on the season - most since 1999!
Despite the weather, it was a great atmosphere with the school celebrating the 25th anniversary of its best season ever - the 8-3 1993 squad. For a school with not a lot of football history, here's hoping Coach Surace and the staff continue to get things going in the right direction!

Great stuff Bill; I am happy to see the Devils playing good football this season! Hats off to the 1993 team as well; I'm learning that those anniversaries come up quicker than we'd like. Good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 28, 2018, 04:18:09 PM
Congrats to the Colonels on a good win over Lycoming yesterday. One of those days where both teams are battling the elements as well as each other!

The win gets Wilkes to five wins on the season, locking in the first non-losing season since 2010, I believe. Still a long way to go, but a big step in the right direction after getting zero wins last season.

Onward to the Mayor's Cup!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2018, 09:00:29 AM
Quote from: bill on October 27, 2018, 11:04:44 PM
Congrats to FDU today - getting to 5 wins on the season - most since 1999!
Despite the weather, it was a great atmosphere with the school celebrating the 25th anniversary of its best season ever - the 8-3 1993 squad. For a school with not a lot of football history, here's hoping Coach Surace and the staff continue to get things going in the right direction!

Bill, I am looking forward to seeing if they can keep the offense going next year without Green (who's arm is about to fall off) throwing to Panzarino (who has more receptions than some teams have completions this year). They need to establish a stud running game and a stout defense to move up to the next level in the MAC with DelVal, Stevenson and Widener.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2018, 09:02:29 AM
I know that Simba is long departed, but where are my stalwarts on the MAC board..................bman, kate and PBR.

It's like watching your elderly relatives get even older and knowing that one day they'll be gone for good. :(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 02, 2018, 01:10:14 PM
Still here, JM, and will be glued to the tablet tomorrow afternoon for the King's game in chilly, windy Wilkes Barre!   Next Saturday, though, we'll be at Aggieland for the start of our Women's Basketball season!   Best thing in the world will be for the Aggie Football Team to win out with these two tough games coming up!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 02, 2018, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2018, 09:00:29 AM

Bill, I am looking forward to seeing if they can keep the offense going next year without Green (who's arm is about to fall off) throwing to Panzarino (who has more receptions than some teams have completions this year). They need to establish a stud running game and a stout defense to move up to the next level in the MAC with DelVal, Stevenson and Widener.

Congrats to FDU again tonight, taking down Widener for the first time since I was still a coach at FDU (1995)....by the way, I think they actually had 200+ yards of rushing...hopefully an ECAC berth awaits...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 03, 2018, 12:03:50 AM
Below are my week 10 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 10 Predictions

Widener (-7.5) @ FDU: Widener wins by 10

Del Val (-26.5) @ King's: Del Val wins by 24

Leb Val (-24.5) @ Alvernia: Leb Val wins by 24

Misericordia (-6.5) @ Albright: Misericordia wins by 7

Stevenson (-17.5) @ Lycoming: Stevenson wins by 14

Week 10 Rankings
1. Del Val (7-1, 6-0)
2. Stevenson (6-2, 5-1)
3. Misericordia (7-1, 6-0)
4. King's (5-3, 4-2)
5. Wilkes (5-4, 4-3)
6. Lycoming (4-4, 3-3)
7. FDU (5-3, 3-3)
8. Widener (4-4, 4-2)
9. Leb Val (0-8, 0-6) 
10. Albright (0-8, 0-6)
11. Alvernia (1-7, 0-7)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 39-14 (.736)
Career: 82-32 (.719)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 03, 2018, 12:08:28 AM
tweisman,

You're a little late for this one - FDU and Widener already played, with FDU winning 21-17.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 03, 2018, 12:23:22 AM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

2018 Projected MAC Postseason Teams (Thru Week 9)

NCAA Tournament
MAC Champ: Del Val

Centennial-MAC Bowl Series
#1 Muhlenburg vs. #1 Misericordia
#2 Franklin and Marshall @ #2 Stevenson
#3 Moravian vs. #3 Widener

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The postseason matchups are exciting and worthy opportunities against great programs! If these projections hold, I'd favor the Centennial to take the 2018 series 2-1. Del Val I'd project to finish in the Quarterfinals, which would be a good finish for a young and promising squad. I'm curious if any other MAC programs would make the postseason as a possible ECAC bid.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 03, 2018, 12:31:50 AM
Quote from: bill on November 03, 2018, 12:08:28 AM
tweisman,

You're a little late for this one - FDU and Widener already played, with FDU winning 21-17.

Bill,

I'm aware, but anyways posted my week 10 predictions. I usually try to post every Wednesday, but I had a few tasks that pushed it back. My predictions were entered on my computer earlier this week before any game play. Congrats to FDU on the victory tonight against a good Widener team! I'm already starting my week 10 picks in the loss column.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 03, 2018, 12:46:46 PM
FDU-Florham and Wilkes both filed for a possible ECAC bid so they could get postseason games too.

How about Miseri, FDU and Wilkes all playing in the postseason?!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 03, 2018, 02:43:20 PM
Sounds good to me! But hopefully a different product than the LAST time FDU & Wilkes both made the post season in the same year...back in 1999, both made the ECAC's...and had to play each other, again!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2018, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: bill on November 02, 2018, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2018, 09:00:29 AM

Bill, I am looking forward to seeing if they can keep the offense going next year without Green (who's arm is about to fall off) throwing to Panzarino (who has more receptions than some teams have completions this year). They need to establish a stud running game and a stout defense to move up to the next level in the MAC with DelVal, Stevenson and Widener.

Congrats to FDU again tonight, taking down Widener for the first time since I was still a coach at FDU (1995)....by the way, I think they actually had 200+ yards of rushing...hopefully an ECAC berth awaits...

In that slop last night, even the magical arm of Green (to Panzarino) was going to do nothing. I think it was the passing game's worst output of the year and by far the running game's best showing. Me thinks the rain and wind had a wee bit to do with it. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 03, 2018, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: bill on November 02, 2018, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2018, 09:00:29 AM

Bill, I am looking forward to seeing if they can keep the offense going next year without Green (who's arm is about to fall off) throwing to Panzarino (who has more receptions than some teams have completions this year). They need to establish a stud running game and a stout defense to move up to the next level in the MAC with DelVal, Stevenson and Widener.

Congrats to FDU again tonight, taking down Widener for the first time since I was still a coach at FDU (1995)....by the way, I think they actually had 200+ yards of rushing...hopefully an ECAC berth awaits...

Bill, you probably can't comment on this (side topic) but I see the lovely Coach Mitchell took his best three players with him to St. Peter's. I guess that was his parting gift to FDU............after they gave him a second chance (some would say many more chances than that) after his suspension. They'll be better off without him!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 04, 2018, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 03, 2018, 12:46:46 PM
FDU-Florham and Wilkes both filed for a possible ECAC bid so they could get postseason games too.

How about Miseri, FDU and Wilkes all playing in the postseason?!

My question is this: If Miseri wins this week, any chance they get an at-large NCAA bid? I know strength of schedule would not be as strong as other contenders, but dose anyone think it's possible?

A tough matchup on the cards for the Colonels this week, hoping they can bring the Cup home!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on November 04, 2018, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on November 04, 2018, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 03, 2018, 12:46:46 PM
FDU-Florham and Wilkes both filed for a possible ECAC bid so they could get postseason games too.

How about Miseri, FDU and Wilkes all playing in the postseason?!

My question is this: If Miseri wins this week, any chance they get an at-large NCAA bid? I know strength of schedule would not be as strong as other contenders, but dose anyone think it's possible?

A tough matchup on the cards for the Colonels this week, hoping they can bring the Cup home!

No
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 05, 2018, 08:40:26 AM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 04, 2018, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on November 04, 2018, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 03, 2018, 12:46:46 PM
FDU-Florham and Wilkes both filed for a possible ECAC bid so they could get postseason games too.

How about Miseri, FDU and Wilkes all playing in the postseason?!

My question is this: If Miseri wins this week, any chance they get an at-large NCAA bid? I know strength of schedule would not be as strong as other contenders, but dose anyone think it's possible?

A tough matchup on the cards for the Colonels this week, hoping they can bring the Cup home!

No

It all depends on the RR and based upon the recent podcast, you calls SOS is so far down, it depended on Stevenson and FDU conference positions and Mis receiving the auto. The podcast a couple days back talked about that.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 05, 2018, 11:44:13 AM
I doubt Misercordia even makes it up the ladder enough. Stevenson would have had a better chance with its 2 losses to top 25 teams (Frostburg and the likely conference champ Del Val). I wouldn't even want Stevenson to get a C bid after the way they played this past weekend.

I do have a question on the seeding for MAC centennial bowl if Miser loses and Stevenson wins; both would be 7-1 conference and 8-2 overall. They don't face each other and miser didn't play del val. I'm guessing it goes down the line to common opponent best record? I'm only asking for potential road trip following weekend
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 05, 2018, 11:50:58 AM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2018, 11:44:13 AM
I doubt Misercordia even makes it up the ladder enough. Stevenson would have had a better chance with its 2 losses to top 25 teams (Frostburg and the likely conference champ Del Val). I wouldn't even want Stevenson to get a C bid after the way they played this past weekend.

I do have a question on the seeding for MAC centennial bowl if Miser loses and Stevenson wins; both would be 7-1 conference and 8-2 overall. They don't face each other and miser didn't play del val. I'm guessing it goes down the line to common opponent best record? I'm only asking for potential road trip following weekend

True indeed. However, wasn't it Lycoming Senior Day and Lycoming has played admirably all season. I'm pretty sure you are speaking in terms of the 4th quarter, based upon the box.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 05, 2018, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 05, 2018, 11:50:58 AM
Quote from: wone3 on November 05, 2018, 11:44:13 AM
I doubt Misercordia even makes it up the ladder enough. Stevenson would have had a better chance with its 2 losses to top 25 teams (Frostburg and the likely conference champ Del Val). I wouldn't even want Stevenson to get a C bid after the way they played this past weekend.

I do have a question on the seeding for MAC centennial bowl if Miser loses and Stevenson wins; both would be 7-1 conference and 8-2 overall. They don't face each other and miser didn't play del val. I'm guessing it goes down the line to common opponent best record? I'm only asking for potential road trip following weekend

True indeed. However, wasn't it Lycoming Senior Day and Lycoming has played admirably all season. I'm pretty sure you are speaking in terms of the 4th quarter, based upon the box.

Yes it was Senior day and Lyco has been playing pretty well all year, plus yes the 4th quarter meltdown between drives and 7 called penalties for 70 yrds. Stevenson should have lost that game by at least 2-3 touchdowns if the QB had a bit better touch on passes even in the wind. Plus the sloppy penalties on Stevenson certainly didn't help with at least 4 unsportsman penalties that were just plain stupid.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on November 05, 2018, 03:25:14 PM
Thinking MIS and STE have the MAC-CC bowl bids locked in, Wilkes is a potential 3rd place team if they can beat Kings. If that happens, I see the Devils going to the ECACs.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wone3 on November 05, 2018, 04:01:40 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 05, 2018, 03:25:14 PM
Thinking MIS and STE have the MAC-CC bowl bids locked in, Wilkes is a potential 3rd place team if they can beat Kings. If that happens, I see the Devils going to the ECACs.

They should be locked in but the difference is in the hosting 1 and 3 are at Centenial site and 2 is a MAC site; that's why I'm curious as to who gets seeded where. My kiddo is in Stevenson's marching band and they would probably likely play the game if Stevenson stays the 2 seed.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on November 06, 2018, 06:35:11 AM
My step son is in the drum line for his HS also.

Of the three, I'd say MIS has the toughest draw in Wk 11 against a pretty dangerous LYCO team. FDU will challenge SU at home, but I think the Mustangs D will be the difference. Barring Jagger passing for 400+.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: LineCat on November 08, 2018, 07:46:24 AM
So Widener (3-4) has been outscored the second half of each and every single game this year except against Albright who is just way down this year. Fact. How does that happen?   
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It's a disappointing season for Widener this year at 4-5 now. No playoffs, not even a bowl game out of the three played this year? So I see Widener was outscored again in the second half this week too against FDU, that's a coaching problem. And alternating QBs all game is ridiculous. A win this week against DelVal is always a possibility and would be a positive ending but the coaches need to figure out how to get the team to win a second half. I'm hoping they show up and make it a good game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on November 08, 2018, 09:51:49 PM
Based on who they had coming back, I had them pegged to win the MAC. Sometimes predictions go dead wrong.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 08, 2018, 11:45:36 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 08, 2018, 09:51:49 PM
Based on who they had coming back, I had them pegged to win the MAC. Sometimes predictions go dead wrong.

Same here. I was in the same boat of thought when I was making my preseason picks.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 09, 2018, 12:25:38 AM
Below are my week 11 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 11 Predictions

Albright @ Leb Val (-3.5): Leb Val wins by 7

FDU @ Stevenson (-14.5): Stevenson wins by 10

Del Val (-23.5) @ Widener: Del Val wins by 17

King's @ Wilkes (-1.5): Wilkes wins by 3

Lycoming (-6.5) @ Misericordia: Lycoming wins by 3

Alvernia (-3.5) @ University of New England: UNE wins by 3

Week 11 Rankings
1. Del Val (8-1, 7-0)
2. Stevenson (7-2, 6-1)
3. Misericordia (8-1, 7-0)
4. Wilkes (5-4, 4-3)
5. Lycoming (4-5, 3-4)
6. FDU (6-3, 4-3)
7. Widener (4-5, 4-3)
8. King's (4-5, 3-4)
9. Leb Val (1-8, 1-6) 
10. Albright (0-9, 0-7)
11. Alvernia (1-8, 0-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 43-15 (.741)
Career: 86-33 (.723)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 10, 2018, 12:36:43 AM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

2018 Projected MAC Postseason Teams (Thru Week 10)

NCAA Tournament
MAC Champ: Del Val

Centennial-MAC Bowl Series
#1 Muhlenburg vs. #1 Misericordia
#2 Franklin and Marshall @ #2 Stevenson
#3 Susquehanna vs. #3 Wilkes

ECAC Bowl
FDU

Reaction:

The postseason opportunities for the MAC look to show promise to gauge legitimacy for a few surprise teams this season. Any semblance of competitive games against quality opponents yield promising results heading into the offseason. I'm intrigued going forward!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 10, 2018, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 08, 2018, 09:51:49 PM
Based on who they had coming back, I had them pegged to win the MAC. Sometimes predictions go dead wrong.

...................and based on the massive losses that DelVal suffered (9 out of 11 defensive starters and a bunch on offense) from last year, I had them fourth behind Stevenson, Widener and Lycoming. Coach Greco should win Coach of the Year. Mis didn't play DelVal nor Stevenson so the record is a bit deceiving.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on November 10, 2018, 03:41:06 PM
Short of an absolute miracle.... The UNDISPUTED MIDDLE ATLANTIC CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS ARE THE DELAWARE VALLEY AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 11, 2018, 04:34:30 PM
Below are my projected postseason MAC participants. The #3 seed for the CC-MAC bowl series is difficult to project due to the five team tie for that seed. If I followed the tie-breaking procedure correct, I believe it favors Lycoming to fill the spot due to playing a tougher conference schedule. I think the ECAC will pick Wilkes over FDU due to having the head-to-head win.

2018 Projected MAC Postseason Teams (Thru Week 11)

NCAA Tournament
MAC Champ: Del Val

Centennial-MAC Bowl Series
#1 Franklin and Marshall vs. #1 Stevenson
#2 Susquehanna @ #2 Misericordia
#3 Ursinus vs. #3 Lycoming

ECAC Bowl
Wilkes
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 11, 2018, 05:21:33 PM
You're right. Lycoming gets that last spot.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 11, 2018, 05:51:44 PM
Del Val hosts Muhlenberg at home in Doylestown on Saturday!    GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2018, 07:34:00 PM
I was not able to make the DelVal vs. Widener game on Saturday but I was surprised to see the blowout score. Friends of mine told me that there was an incident before the game when senior Vince Char laid out a freshman DelVal WR (half his size) and knocked him out of participating in the game. Even with the information as to what went down, the refs didn't even give Char nor Widener a slap on the wrist. That was Widener's first mistake (of many). You don't poke the bear. I heard that Char was a non-factor and the one or two plays he did make, he played to the small, quiet Widener "crowd" and pointed to himself in a "see me, see me" kind of way. That poked the bear yet again, and that's what gives you 33-0 on your home field.

On the other hand, I heard that the Nobile brothers were awesome and Char was quite pissed at his linemen. Karma is a biatch!!

I undersold DelVal this year after the sheer number of starters and studs who graduated from a National Quarterfinal team in 2017. I'm usually pretty spot on with this stuff (ask bman and simba if they ever reappear ;) ) but I blew this one.

With the number of returning starters in 2019 and getting Stevenson and Widener (as well as Wesley) at home (and what might be 6 home and 4 road games.......the opposite of this year), next year could be a great year with solid QB play. They love the two backups that have been around for two years.

This year is gravy. Sorry for doubting you Aggies. You exceeded everybody's expectations....................other than your own!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 11, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 16, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason - There is a MASSIVE difference between guessing, from a distance, that the "cupboard isn't bare" and actually knowing what is in and what's not in the cupboard. It's sort of like being set up on a blind date, where you HOPE that she is as attractive as your friend says that she is vs. actually knowing exactly what she looks like before meeting her ;)

Widener and Stevenson should easily be able to take care of a young and rebuilding DelVal on their respective home fields. It's a mockery this year of that does NOT happen:

- 9 out of 11 defensive starters from last year's team gone, including All-Everything safety Miller, the other safety, both CB's, all 4 LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issak)

- 6 out of 11 offensive starters gone, including the MAC's best running back (Ellis) along with his two primary backup's.........and two All-MAC offensive linemen (Walsh and Sylvester)

- Team's best punt returner (multiple TD's last year) AND team's best kick returner (multiple TD's last year) gone. They are/were two separate players.

- Widener and Stevenson both on the road

- The only team in the MAC to not have perennial lightweight's FDU AND Misericordia NOT on their schedule in 2018 (and looks like 2019 as well)

If the coach at DelVal somehow wins the MAC given ALL of THAT........................not only should he win MAC Coach of the Year, but he should be the D-III Coach of the Year, Doug Pederson's (from the four time World Champion and Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles) heir apparent, a statue should be erected in Doylestown and he should be able to then make the blind see and heal the sick and eventually be cannonized (fellow Catholics will get that one) ;)

This would be the all-time great coaching job in the history of the MAC. They lost the motherlode from last season while several other teams bring back a ton of experienced talent. We'll see how it plays out. That's why they play the games. :)

Hmmmm.....
I believe i had this one 😀
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on November 11, 2018, 11:03:52 PM
 Lycoming had the tiebreaker by virtue of beating Misericordia.   All other tied teams lost to Misericordia.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 12, 2018, 02:27:59 PM
To all of the Widener fans on this board: I humbly welcome you to the "My team got crushed in a shutout at home during our season-ending trophy game" club  :'( :'( :'(

To call Saturday's results for the Colonels a disappointment would be a massive understatement. After the program made good progress and picked up some nice wins, I expected much better than a complete whipping at the hands of the Red and Gold. Credit to the Monarchs defense, as the unit completely shut down Wilkes on that side of the ball.

I hope the current and incoming crop of Colonels takes it as a lesson: the records go out the window for the Mayor's Cup. Past Wilkes teams poured every last bit of competitiveness into that game, no matter if their record coming in was 9-0 or 1-8.

Congrats to the Aggies on the well-deserved conference championship; should be a great game on Saturday. Congrats as well to all of the other teams earning MAC-Centennial Bowl and ECAC bids.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2018, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on November 11, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 16, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason - There is a MASSIVE difference between guessing, from a distance, that the "cupboard isn't bare" and actually knowing what is in and what's not in the cupboard. It's sort of like being set up on a blind date, where you HOPE that she is as attractive as your friend says that she is vs. actually knowing exactly what she looks like before meeting her ;)

Widener and Stevenson should easily be able to take care of a young and rebuilding DelVal on their respective home fields. It's a mockery this year of that does NOT happen:

- 9 out of 11 defensive starters from last year's team gone, including All-Everything safety Miller, the other safety, both CB's, all 4 LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issak)

- 6 out of 11 offensive starters gone, including the MAC's best running back (Ellis) along with his two primary backup's.........and two All-MAC offensive linemen (Walsh and Sylvester)

- Team's best punt returner (multiple TD's last year) AND team's best kick returner (multiple TD's last year) gone. They are/were two separate players.

- Widener and Stevenson both on the road

- The only team in the MAC to not have perennial lightweight's FDU AND Misericordia NOT on their schedule in 2018 (and looks like 2019 as well)

If the coach at DelVal somehow wins the MAC given ALL of THAT........................not only should he win MAC Coach of the Year, but he should be the D-III Coach of the Year, Doug Pederson's (from the four time World Champion and Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles) heir apparent, a statue should be erected in Doylestown and he should be able to then make the blind see and heal the sick and eventually be cannonized (fellow Catholics will get that one) ;)

This would be the all-time great coaching job in the history of the MAC. They lost the motherlode from last season while several other teams bring back a ton of experienced talent. We'll see how it plays out. That's why they play the games. :)

Hmmmm.....
I believe i had this one 😀

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day ;) . After nailing (almost 90%) final standings and many scores (again, the missing bman and simba would attest) for the last several years, I did not see this coming out of Doylestown (nor did the majority on the board). I almost get the impression that your call about the Aggies wasn't based on some in depth knowledge after all of the losses from 2017, rather, a call about the Aggies................just because they are the Aggies. I know that a few teams (players and coaches) were not so privately licking their chops to play DelVal this year after the massive losses from the national quarterfinal team. They blew their shot! I wonder what they think about next season, especially with the Aggies returning 9 on defense alone.

I will stand by my comment that Coach Greco should get MAC Coach of the Year (Miser did not play DelVal nor Stevenson and would have finished 5-3 in the MAC if they did) and they should erect the statue in Doylestown for what he did after all they lost.

Jason, you kind of disappeared after your call about the Aggies, with just a post about Widener after their first two games and another congratulating Matt Levy. Where did you go? I could have used your genius on how you ranked the MAC 2 through 11. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2018, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on November 12, 2018, 02:27:59 PM
To all of the Widener fans on this board: I humbly welcome you to the "My team got crushed in a shutout at home during our season-ending trophy game" club  :'( :'( :'(

To call Saturday's results for the Colonels a disappointment would be a massive understatement. After the program made good progress and picked up some nice wins, I expected much better than a complete whipping at the hands of the Red and Gold. Credit to the Monarchs defense, as the unit completely shut down Wilkes on that side of the ball.

I hope the current and incoming crop of Colonels takes it as a lesson: the records go out the window for the Mayor's Cup. Past Wilkes teams poured every last bit of competitiveness into that game, no matter if their record coming in was 9-0 or 1-8.

Congrats to the Aggies on the well-deserved conference championship; should be a great game on Saturday. Congrats as well to all of the other teams earning MAC-Centennial Bowl and ECAC bids.

That game was even more stunning than the DelVal wipeout of Widener. Wilkes played DelVal tough on the road and the Aggies destroyed (and shutout) King's at home just last week. I thought Wilkes would beat King's by 10-13 points. I'm stunned!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ColbyFootball on November 14, 2018, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2018, 07:34:00 PM
On the other hand, I heard that the Nobile brothers were awesome and Char was quite pissed at his linemen. Karma is a biatch!!
I had the Nobile brothers as 8th graders in an unlimited weight organization I ran. They were simply dominate kids, both physically and mentally tough. And they are two great kids. I expected them to be big impact players this year, but I didn't expect this much of an impact.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2018, 09:26:22 AM
Quote from: ColbyFootball on November 14, 2018, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 11, 2018, 07:34:00 PM
On the other hand, I heard that the Nobile brothers were awesome and Char was quite pissed at his linemen. Karma is a biatch!!
I had the Nobile brothers as 8th graders in an unlimited weight organization I ran. They were simply dominate kids, both physically and mentally tough. And they are two great kids. I expected them to be big impact players this year, but I didn't expect this much of an impact.

They are outstanding as are the entire Brick contingent at DelVal. Word is that they are trying to get a few more buddies to join them in Doylestown for the next couple of years. I only made one game in person this year as I'm no longer in the area full time but this defense, with the two of them as the anchors, could be tremendous over the next 3 years. This year was gravy. They have a lot more class than Char from Widener and the Widener fans long gave up on this year's team and rarely chime in here anymore as a result. I miss my bman :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 14, 2018, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2018, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on November 11, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 16, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason - There is a MASSIVE difference between guessing, from a distance, that the "cupboard isn't bare" and actually knowing what is in and what's not in the cupboard. It's sort of like being set up on a blind date, where you HOPE that she is as attractive as your friend says that she is vs. actually knowing exactly what she looks like before meeting her ;)

Widener and Stevenson should easily be able to take care of a young and rebuilding DelVal on their respective home fields. It's a mockery this year of that does NOT happen:

- 9 out of 11 defensive starters from last year's team gone, including All-Everything safety Miller, the other safety, both CB's, all 4 LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issak)

- 6 out of 11 offensive starters gone, including the MAC's best running back (Ellis) along with his two primary backup's.........and two All-MAC offensive linemen (Walsh and Sylvester)

- Team's best punt returner (multiple TD's last year) AND team's best kick returner (multiple TD's last year) gone. They are/were two separate players.

- Widener and Stevenson both on the road

- The only team in the MAC to not have perennial lightweight's FDU AND Misericordia NOT on their schedule in 2018 (and looks like 2019 as well)

If the coach at DelVal somehow wins the MAC given ALL of THAT........................not only should he win MAC Coach of the Year, but he should be the D-III Coach of the Year, Doug Pederson's (from the four time World Champion and Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles) heir apparent, a statue should be erected in Doylestown and he should be able to then make the blind see and heal the sick and eventually be cannonized (fellow Catholics will get that one) ;)

This would be the all-time great coaching job in the history of the MAC. They lost the motherlode from last season while several other teams bring back a ton of experienced talent. We'll see how it plays out. That's why they play the games. :)

Hmmmm.....
I believe i had this one 😀

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day ;) . After nailing (almost 90%) final standings and many scores (again, the missing bman and simba would attest) for the last several years, I did not see this coming out of Doylestown (nor did the majority on the board). I almost get the impression that your call about the Aggies wasn't based on some in depth knowledge after all of the losses from 2017, rather, a call about the Aggies................just because they are the Aggies. I know that a few teams (players and coaches) were not so privately licking their chops to play DelVal this year after the massive losses from the national quarterfinal team. They blew their shot! I wonder what they think about next season, especially with the Aggies returning 9 on defense alone.

I will stand by my comment that Coach Greco should get MAC Coach of the Year (Miser did not play DelVal nor Stevenson and would have finished 5-3 in the MAC if they did) and they should erect the statue in Doylestown for what he did after all they lost.

Jason, you kind of disappeared after your call about the Aggies, with just a post about Widener after their first two games and another congratulating Matt Levy. Where did you go? I could have used your genius on how you ranked the MAC 2 through 11. ;)

I have a job, family and other responsibilities that keep me plenty busy.

I knew what they were losing starter-wise but I did make my pick based on their roster. They are bring in 180 guys the last few years. Of course, not all stay, but it adds depth. And as I said they are well-coached and have created a culture of winning.

COY has to go to the Misericordia guy.... Great year for them after years of struggle, don't care who they played.  :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2018, 11:33:35 AM
Coach Ross was named Coach of the Year and Brady Williams (his quarterback) was named Offensive MVP.

Michael Nobile took home the Rookie of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year award. I'm glad the coaches didn't get hung up on him being a freshman and try to split the vote (give him ROY and someone else DPOY). He was the best defensive player I saw this year, with his brother not too far behind.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2018, 08:02:19 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on November 14, 2018, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2018, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on November 11, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on August 16, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 13, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
I think Del Val is still very good this season and in it all the way to the Keystone Cup. Darden is a winner, a senior, and has the ability to put that team on his back. They do a great job recruiting there and I'm pretty sure the cupboard isn't bare.

To me, Widener must be better at the quarterback position. The guy(s) from last year have a long way to go.

Stevenson has a senior QB, like DVU, and a fertile area for recruiting. They will have players.

To me, Lyco has to get bigger, stronger and faster. Always well-coached.

Jason - There is a MASSIVE difference between guessing, from a distance, that the "cupboard isn't bare" and actually knowing what is in and what's not in the cupboard. It's sort of like being set up on a blind date, where you HOPE that she is as attractive as your friend says that she is vs. actually knowing exactly what she looks like before meeting her ;)

Widener and Stevenson should easily be able to take care of a young and rebuilding DelVal on their respective home fields. It's a mockery this year of that does NOT happen:

- 9 out of 11 defensive starters from last year's team gone, including All-Everything safety Miller, the other safety, both CB's, all 4 LB's and the stud nose tackle/heavyweight wrestler (Issak)

- 6 out of 11 offensive starters gone, including the MAC's best running back (Ellis) along with his two primary backup's.........and two All-MAC offensive linemen (Walsh and Sylvester)

- Team's best punt returner (multiple TD's last year) AND team's best kick returner (multiple TD's last year) gone. They are/were two separate players.

- Widener and Stevenson both on the road

- The only team in the MAC to not have perennial lightweight's FDU AND Misericordia NOT on their schedule in 2018 (and looks like 2019 as well)

If the coach at DelVal somehow wins the MAC given ALL of THAT........................not only should he win MAC Coach of the Year, but he should be the D-III Coach of the Year, Doug Pederson's (from the four time World Champion and Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles) heir apparent, a statue should be erected in Doylestown and he should be able to then make the blind see and heal the sick and eventually be cannonized (fellow Catholics will get that one) ;)

This would be the all-time great coaching job in the history of the MAC. They lost the motherlode from last season while several other teams bring back a ton of experienced talent. We'll see how it plays out. That's why they play the games. :)

Hmmmm.....
I believe i had this one 😀

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day ;) . After nailing (almost 90%) final standings and many scores (again, the missing bman and simba would attest) for the last several years, I did not see this coming out of Doylestown (nor did the majority on the board). I almost get the impression that your call about the Aggies wasn't based on some in depth knowledge after all of the losses from 2017, rather, a call about the Aggies................just because they are the Aggies. I know that a few teams (players and coaches) were not so privately licking their chops to play DelVal this year after the massive losses from the national quarterfinal team. They blew their shot! I wonder what they think about next season, especially with the Aggies returning 9 on defense alone.

I will stand by my comment that Coach Greco should get MAC Coach of the Year (Miser did not play DelVal nor Stevenson and would have finished 5-3 in the MAC if they did) and they should erect the statue in Doylestown for what he did after all they lost.

Jason, you kind of disappeared after your call about the Aggies, with just a post about Widener after their first two games and another congratulating Matt Levy. Where did you go? I could have used your genius on how you ranked the MAC 2 through 11. ;)

I have a job, family and other responsibilities that keep me plenty busy.

I knew what they were losing starter-wise but I did make my pick based on their roster. They are bring in 180 guys the last few years. Of course, not all stay, but it adds depth. And as I said they are well-coached and have created a culture of winning.

COY has to go to the Misericordia guy.... Great year for them after years of struggle, don't care who they played.  :)

180 guys? You're obviously not affiliated with the program nor speak to anybody who is. Numbers were down quite a bit this year and has never been close to 180 in the years before this one.

"Don't care who they (Misericordia) played? Nor do I. It was who they didn't play (DelVal and Stevenson), through zero fault of their own.

That matters. Mercy vote. Greco can't win it every year. They'd better do the MAC proud in the MAC vs. Centennial Bowl as the Aggies and Stevenson have done in the first two years.

Everybody has a few extra minutes a week...................with a job, family and other responsibilities.................to log on here and there. Again, your brilliance in not sharing teams #2-#11 cost me $$$$. ;)

I'll make your 2019 pick for you now......................to save you a valuable two minutes, that you don't have ;) , come August. The Aggies to win the MAC (or Misericordia, with the Coach of the Year, the returning offensive player of the year and not playing DelVal and Stevenson AGAIN next year, and we don't care who they do or don't play) ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2018, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 14, 2018, 11:33:35 AM
Coach Ross was named Coach of the Year and Brady Williams (his quarterback) was named Offensive MVP.

Michael Nobile took home the Rookie of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year award. I'm glad the coaches didn't get hung up on him being a freshman and try to split the vote (give him ROY and someone else DPOY). He was the best defensive player I saw this year, with his brother not too far behind.

I only saw one game in person this year, but Nobile was a beast. He caused that havoc at only 228 pounds. Wait until he and his brother put some of that good weight back on in the offseason program! Amazing! Next year's DelVal defense returns 9 starters..................all four LB's, the Nobile's on the DL, 3 of the 4 DB's, along with great depth in the front seven and a few returners who were not on the roster (various reasons) this year and a rumored transfer or two (the Brick Boys recruit almost as great as they play). It could be a special year in Doylestown next year if they get solid QB play, and I hear they love the in-house heir apparent. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 14, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Colby Football:
QuoteI had the Nobile brothers as 8th graders in an unlimited weight organization I ran. They were simply dominate kids, both physically and mentally tough. And they are two great kids. I expected them to be big impact players this year, but I didn't expect this much of an impact.

I had been meaning to bring back the quote that you posted in August when you said these guys would be good. Seemed like an unusual note from someone affiliated with Colby. When I was at Trinity, I had never heard of Delaware Valley College/University.

QuoteTwo players to watch on Del Val are the Nobile twins, Anthony and Michael. You are going to love what those two bring to the football field.

You get the award for best prediction of the year. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 16, 2018, 12:08:48 AM
Below are my week 12 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 12 Predictions

#11 Muhlenberg (-17.5) @ Del Val: Del Val wins by 3

Ursinus (-30.5) @ Misericordia: Ursinus wins by 10

Stevenson @ Susquehanna (-13.5): Stevenson wins by 7

Lycoming @ Franklin & Marshall (-26.5): Franklin & Marshall wins by 14

Week 12 Rankings
1. Del Val (9-1, 8-0)
2. Stevenson (8-2, 7-1)
3. Misericordia (8-2, 7-1)
4. Wilkes (5-5, 4-4)
5. Lycoming (5-5, 4-4)
6. FDU (6-4, 4-4)
7. Widener (4-6, 4-4)
8. King's (5-5, 4-4)
9. Leb Val (2-8, 2-6) 
10. Albright (0-10, 0-8)
11. Alvernia (1-9, 0-8)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 5-1 (.833)
Season: 48-16 (.750)
Career: 91-34 (.728)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: WRMUalum13 on November 16, 2018, 06:42:05 PM
Hello Mac Folks,

I was filling out my bracket challenge and noticed despite being ranked 10 spots higher in the top 25, the d3fb pundits unanimously picked Muhlenberg to win against the Aggies tomorrow. Did a key Del Valley player get hurt or something?

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 17, 2018, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: WRMUalum13 on November 16, 2018, 06:42:05 PM
Hello Mac Folks,

I was filling out my bracket challenge and noticed despite being ranked 10 spots higher in the top 25, the d3fb pundits unanimously picked Muhlenberg to win against the Aggies tomorrow. Did a key Del Valley player get hurt or something?

I would suggest the likely reason would be more so Muhlenburg's performance against better competition this season in the Centennial than anything else.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 17, 2018, 12:51:08 PM
Friday Fact of the Week

Fact:

Projected 2019 All-MAC Returners
- Del Val 10
- Albright 0
- Widener 6
- Stevenson 6
- Lycoming 2
- Leb Val 2
- Wilkes 2
- King's 3
- Misericordia 8
- FDU 0
- Alvernia 1

Reaction:

Del Val I'd expect to enter 2019 as the preseason favorite again with 10 returning All-MAC players, but Misericordia is a wildcard with a presumed easier conference schedule again. Stevenson I'd expect to be a dark horse between both teams with the talent to grab the championship. I think Wilkes could create serious noise after proving what they can do this season. The rest of the conference will be fun to monitor.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Graham8020 on November 17, 2018, 04:12:17 PM
Thanks for the conversations guys... my boy's squad gave up a good one today. This last one was bitter sweet for me because 16 years of football appears to have come to an end for this football dad.  Be on the lookout for a bigger and better  Aggies team next year.  Enjoy your Thanksgiving everyone!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 18, 2018, 09:10:04 AM
Couldn't agree more Graham 8020!   The Aggies gave us a reason to smile every Saturday in Sept., Oct. and those first two Saturdays of this month!   Congratulations TEAM & Coaches on a great season!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2018, 03:07:10 PM
Mr. Graham:

Glad your son could get one more touchdown and do it in the NCAA playoffs. Congrats to him and your family on his football career.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 18, 2018, 05:57:36 PM
Thanks for a great year of calls, Gordon!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 19, 2018, 11:20:02 AM
Thanks. My pleasure as always.

See you around James Work Memorial Gymnasium. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on March 05, 2019, 11:23:45 PM
Some interesting news in the MAC coaching world today, as former Wilkes HC Frank Sheptock is stepping down as athletic director and head football coach at Berwick High School to take a full-time assistant coaching position with...the King's College Monarchs. 

https://www.citizensvoice.com/sports/sheptock-steps-down-as-berwick-head-coach-1.2453254

As many of you may know, Coach Sheptock hired me just before I started classes at Wilkes as a freshman to a work-study job as the team's video specialist. It was one of the most positive and important developments in my life, as I had more fun and grew more as a person during the next four seasons that I could ever have imagined. Coach Shep was always firm and tough, but also empowered everyone in the program to reach his fullest potential. He has a place in my life as being one of the most influential people I know outside of my family; many of my subsequent successes in life can be traced to things I learned and developed working with the Colonels.

Congrats to Coach Shep on a new opportunity; the Monarchs are getting a first-class coach and leader, although it will be crazy to see him prowling the sidelines of the MAC clad in red and gold!


Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Oline89 on March 28, 2019, 02:57:30 PM
Stevenson OC, Ryan Larsen, hired as QB coach at Columbia yesterday
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on April 01, 2019, 07:33:32 PM
Quote from: Oline89 on March 28, 2019, 02:57:30 PM
Stevenson OC, Ryan Larsen, hired as QB coach at Columbia yesterday

I read this news last week and I'm not surprised as he was a rising coach destine for either a head coaching gig or a D1 job. I'm glad for him and expect him to continue his ascend! I'll be following closely to see who is selected to replace him.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 23, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
New look for the MAC:
https://gomacsports.com/news/2019/7/22/general-mac-launches-brand-campaign-with-new-visual-identity.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on August 12, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Does Misericordia have 10 games this year?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on August 12, 2019, 12:34:31 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on August 12, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Does Misericordia have 10 games this year?

Yes, Keystone isn't listed on the d3 team page for 9/14 but it is on their website.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on August 12, 2019, 01:56:27 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on August 12, 2019, 12:34:31 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on August 12, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Does Misericordia have 10 games this year?

Yes, Keystone isn't listed on the d3 team page for 9/14 but it is on their website.

Is this more of a scrimmage, I don't see anything on Keystone website, they are DIII, right?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 12, 2019, 02:17:44 PM
Keystone is new to D-III football, playing a varsity football schedule in 2020. Not sure what their status is for this year but they are on a couple of schools' schedule as regular season games and another as a scrimmage.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on August 12, 2019, 07:28:11 PM
Always good to have an appearance from @d3Jason.

Keystone is playing a limited varsity schedule this season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 12, 2019, 07:58:26 PM
If they don't meet the minimum number of contests against four-year, varsity programs, does the contest count on Miseri's W-L record?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on August 12, 2019, 08:43:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 12, 2019, 07:58:26 PM
If they don't meet the minimum number of contests against four-year, varsity programs, does the contest count on Miseri's W-L record?

Yes, as far as I know.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on August 13, 2019, 07:33:26 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on August 12, 2019, 07:28:11 PM
Always good to have an appearance from @d3Jason.

Keystone is playing a limited varsity schedule this season.

Thank you. I am ready for some football games!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on August 13, 2019, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: lefty2 on August 12, 2019, 08:43:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 12, 2019, 07:58:26 PM
If they don't meet the minimum number of contests against four-year, varsity programs, does the contest count on Miseri's W-L record?

Yes, as far as I know.

I was actually hoping Salisbury could get a game switched from the Central International College to Misericordia...Nevertheless, good for Keystone.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on August 13, 2019, 07:06:00 PM
How is Widener shaping up this year?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 13, 2019, 10:15:42 PM
Quote from: RowanPhan on August 13, 2019, 07:06:00 PM
How is Widener shaping up this year?

Widener was pretty young last year and brings back a lot. Should be a good year for the Pride.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on September 04, 2019, 04:46:55 PM
Greetings ....

Does PBR need to tell you all once again who will run away with thy MAC Title? Of course not, once again DVU beat all comers like a rented mule! Heed thy warning and rejoice in another DVU title. As the Aggies hoist another trophy with DVU in its rightful spot atop the MAC.

Peace Out.... PBR  8-)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 05, 2019, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: PBR... on September 04, 2019, 04:46:55 PM
Greetings ....

Does PBR need to tell you all once again who will run away with thy MAC Title? Of course not, once again DVU beat all comers like a rented mule! Heed thy warning and rejoice in another DVU title. As the Aggies hoist another trophy with DVU in its rightful spot atop the MAC.

Peace Out.... PBR  8-)

If the Aggies can overcome the loss of their four year starter at QB (Darden), their top three receivers (all at least 6'4".......Ellis, Graham and Stewart), three of their five offensive linemen and their all conference fullback/hback...........and win the MAC yet again...............their head coach should be put up for Sainthood!!I think they struggle mightily to move the ball in game #2 against a loaded Wesley defense. And when they do, DelVal also loses their four year punter, All-American Steven Adams (was in a NFL rookie camp, and got CFL looks) who was an amazing weapon at the D3 level. Wesley and other teams know first hand what it is like to be subpar at kicker and/or punter.

DelVal brings a lot back on defense and will probably have to win some low scoring games. Stevenson, Lycoming and Widener were solid last year and bring many more players back than the Aggies.

I guess that's why they play the games. I'm not saying they won't win it, but I don't see the cakewalk that you do. In fact, the trash talking (through social media) has already begun from the teams listed above.....................as well as from Wilkes of all teams. The clown head coach of Lycoming is also disparaging the Aggies, in some not-too-kind ways I might add (one of my best buddies has a son who is a junior at Lyco and is not a huge fan of the HC, but loves his teammates). Don't poke the bear.................or the Nobile's might break you in half ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 06, 2019, 05:30:43 PM
2019 MAC FOOTBALL SEASON PREDICTION

Tier I (Championship Contenders)
1. Del Val
2. Stevenson

Tier II (Dark Horse)
3. Widener
4. King's
5. Misericordia

Tier III (Early Season Contender)
6. Lycoming

Tier IV (Middle of the Pack)
7. Wilkes
8. FDU
9. Leb Val
10. Albright

Tier V (Bottom Feeder)
11. Alvernia

Welcome to the 2019 MAC football season! This season is shaping up to have several storylines worth following as the season unfolds. i believe the chase for the conference championship will be a two-team race between common contenders Del Val and Stevenson. Both teams have the talent and experience of contending for the title that will be crucial as the season enters the late October stretch. Misericordia was a surprise last season and I wouldn't be surprised to hear some noise from them again as well, but this season will be a test to see how they response to getting a taste of the title chase! I'm curious to see how Widener responses after last season as they usually are in the chase for the title with comparable talent to the top of the conference. The rest of the conference will be fun to watch as they jockey for positioning in the middle of the pack. I think Alvernia has the chance to continue to progress and potentially move out of the bottom feeder tier they sat in last season.

I'm hopeful for my Mustangs to win the championship this season, but Del Val looks really talented again this year and the game between them both is played at Del Val. If Stevenson can break in their transfer QB (Prev. Frostbrug St.) before the matchup against Del Val, they could have the inside track to winning the conference. The talent is there they just have to capitalize!

Go Mustangs!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 06, 2019, 06:09:35 PM
Below are my week 1 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 1 Predictions

Salisbury (-28.5) @ Albright: Salisbury wins by 27

Stevenson (-27.5) @ Curry: Stevenson wins by 27

Del Val (-24.5) @ Kean: Del Val wins by 24

Alvernia @ Gallaudet (-2.5): Alvernia wins by 3

FDU @ Merchant Marine (-10.5): Merchant Marine wins by 7

Misericordia @ McDaniel (-14.5): Misericordia wins by 3

Lycoming @ Susquehanna (-21.5): Susquehanna wins by 24

Franklin @ Marshall (-29.5) @ Leb Val: Franklin @ Marshall wins by 31

Wilkes (-5.5) @ Hartwick: Wilkes wins by 3

Moravian (-17.5) @ King's: Moravian wins by 7

Widener @ Rowan (-3.5): Rowan wins by 3

Week 1 Rankings
1. Del Val (0-0, 0-0)
2. Stevenson (0-0, 0-0)
3. Widener (0-0, 0-0)
4. King's (0-0, 0-0)
5. Misericordia (0-0, 0-0)
6. Lycoming (0-0, 0-0)
7. Wilkes (0-0, 0-0)
8. FDU (0-0, 0-0)
9. Leb Val (0-0, 0-0) 
10. Albright (0-0, 0-0)
11. Alvernia (0-0, 0-0)

Prediction Record
Last Season: 50-18 (.735)
Career: 93-36 (.721)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 06, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
Good game by Albright with keeping the fight. You guys have a tremendous receiver and a good 2nd receiver who made some good diving catches. Good luck the rest of the season. Definitely good enough to get some wins in the column this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 07, 2019, 09:38:05 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 05, 2019, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: PBR... on September 04, 2019, 04:46:55 PM
Greetings ....

Does PBR need to tell you all once again who will run away with thy MAC Title? Of course not, once again DVU beat all comers like a rented mule! Heed thy warning and rejoice in another DVU title. As the Aggies hoist another trophy with DVU in its rightful spot atop the MAC.

Peace Out.... PBR  8-)

If the Aggies can overcome the loss of their four year starter at QB (Darden), their top three receivers (all at least 6'4".......Ellis, Graham and Stewart), three of their five offensive linemen and their all conference fullback/hback...........and win the MAC yet again...............their head coach should be put up for Sainthood!!I think they struggle mightily to move the ball in game #2 against a loaded Wesley defense. And when they do, DelVal also loses their four year punter, All-American Steven Adams (was in a NFL rookie camp, and got CFL looks) who was an amazing weapon at the D3 level. Wesley and other teams know first hand what it is like to be subpar at kicker and/or punter.

DelVal brings a lot back on defense and will probably have to win some low scoring games. Stevenson, Lycoming and Widener were solid last year and bring many more players back than the Aggies.

I guess that's why they play the games. I'm not saying they won't win it, but I don't see the cakewalk that you do. In fact, the trash talking (through social media) has already begun from the teams listed above.....................as well as from Wilkes of all teams. The clown head coach of Lycoming is also disparaging the Aggies, in some not-too-kind ways I might add (one of my best buddies has a son who is a junior at Lyco and is not a huge fan of the HC, but loves his teammates). Don't poke the bear.................or the Nobile's might break you in half ;)

I think the trash talking you refer to has long been a staple of varsity athletics at every level; you just see it more intensely in the era of social media, texting, etc... When you are the top dog (as DVU has been for most of the last decade and a half) everyone wants to take their shots. Just part of being the front-runner...

I can't blame the Colonels for being confident; they took a strong step forward last season and will (hopefully) continue to progress this year. Reminds me of the first thing I was told by the players while working my first training camp with Wilkes in 2004: Every game in the MAC is a good one.

While work and personal commitments will prevent me from attending the first two games this season, I plan to catch the Colonels in action at Lycoming in week 3, and at most games thereafter. Enjoy the season everyone!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on September 10, 2019, 11:54:32 AM
Hey Albright Faithful, if your traveling out the Belton let us know, we'll give you the inside scoop. Have safe travels and I believe the guys will love the Cruthedral. It's gonna be packed, loud and a bit warm. Perhaps Mr. Norris will come by the game, he likes to come by for the HSU/ CRU game but who knows.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 13, 2019, 08:26:26 AM
This board has become a morgue since the departures of ColonelJohn, Lycosimba (when Lyco went down the tubes.........he disappeared) and even bman. I look at the other conference boards with a slightly jealous eye ;) Oh well, life goes on...........................

**********Below posted on June 12, 2019....................and my mind has not changed in the three months since:**********

DelVal will be in a massive rebuilding year this coming season so I don't see them as one of the better teams in the East.

The DelVal vs. Wesley game should be interesting. DelVal loses their four year starter at QB (Darden), their top three receivers (with all at least 6'4".......Ellis, Graham and Stewart), stud kick returner and punt returner Stewart (4 TD's last year), three of their five mulit-year starter offensive linemen and their all conference fullback/hback. I think they struggle mightily to move the ball against a loaded Wesley defense. And when they do, DelVal also loses their four year punter, All-American Steven Adams (currently in an NFL rookie camp, and getting CFL looks) who was an amazing weapon at the D3 level. Wesley knows first hand what it is like to be subpar at kicker and/or punter.

DelVal brings a lot back on defense, but Wesley does on offense, including a lightning quick back (Lee), big, fast WR's and a huge offensive line. After DelVal winning the first two and Wesley winning last year, I'll set the line at at Wesley -9.5. DelVal covers, but Wesley wins to tie the recent series (last four seasons) up at 2-2. No team, with the exception of Mount Union, Mary Hardin Baylor, Wisconsin Whitewater and maybe one or two I'm missing, beats Wesley 3 out of 4 games (this season's seniors were freshman during game one of the series).........certainly NOT DelVal.

I don't have a MAC prediction yet, but I don't see DelVal running the table, nor winning the MAC for a third straight year.

I think that Wesley, Salsbury and Rowan catch a huge break with the departure of Frostburg.

A little birdie also tells me that this season's game might be the end, for now, of the Wesley vs. DelVal series. I have no clue who Wesley replaces them with.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 13, 2019, 06:50:28 PM
Below are my week 2 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 2 Predictions

William Paterson @ FDU (-14.5): FDU wins by 13

Leb Val (-1.5) @ Wilkes: Wilkes wins by 7

Wesley (-0.5) @ Del Val: Del Val wins by 3

Widener @ Lycoming (-2.5): Widener wins by 3

UNE @ Alvernia (-0.5): Alvernia wins by 3

Albright @ #1 UMHB (-56.5): UMHB wins by 60

Bridgewater @ Stevenson (-1.5): Stevenson wins by 3

Week 2 Rankings
1. Del Val (1-0, 0-0)
2. Stevenson (1-0, 0-0)
3. Widener (1-0, 0-0)
4. King's (1-0, 0-0)
5. Misericordia (0-1, 0-0)
6. Lycoming (0-1, 0-0)
7. Wilkes (1-0, 0-0)
8. FDU (1-0, 0-0)
9. Leb Val (0-1, 0-0) 
10. Albright (0-1, 0-0)
11. Alvernia (1-0, 0-0)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 7-4 (.636)
Career: 100-40 (.714)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 13, 2019, 08:43:16 PM
I'm still lurking...but I have even less to offer than I used to!  ;D

I am really out of touch with FDU & the MAC now - I think over 60% of the department has turned over in the 4 years since I left.

I do have to comment though - FDU FAVORED by 13.5 points??? That hasn't happened very often - glad to see they are seeing some level of improvement.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 14, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 13, 2019, 08:26:26 AM
This board has become a morgue since the departures of ColonelJohn, Lycosimba (when Lyco went down the tubes.........he disappeared) and even bman. I look at the other conference boards with a slightly jealous eye ;) Oh well, life goes on...........................

**********Below posted on June 12, 2019....................and my mind has not changed in the three months since:**********

DelVal will be in a massive rebuilding year this coming season so I don't see them as one of the better teams in the East.

The DelVal vs. Wesley game should be interesting. DelVal loses their four year starter at QB (Darden), their top three receivers (with all at least 6'4".......Ellis, Graham and Stewart), stud kick returner and punt returner Stewart (4 TD's last year), three of their five mulit-year starter offensive linemen and their all conference fullback/hback. I think they struggle mightily to move the ball against a loaded Wesley defense. And when they do, DelVal also loses their four year punter, All-American Steven Adams (currently in an NFL rookie camp, and getting CFL looks) who was an amazing weapon at the D3 level. Wesley knows first hand what it is like to be subpar at kicker and/or punter.

DelVal brings a lot back on defense, but Wesley does on offense, including a lightning quick back (Lee), big, fast WR's and a huge offensive line. After DelVal winning the first two and Wesley winning last year, I'll set the line at at Wesley -9.5. DelVal covers, but Wesley wins to tie the recent series (last four seasons) up at 2-2. No team, with the exception of Mount Union, Mary Hardin Baylor, Wisconsin Whitewater and maybe one or two I'm missing, beats Wesley 3 out of 4 games (this season's seniors were freshman during game one of the series).........certainly NOT DelVal.

I don't have a MAC prediction yet, but I don't see DelVal running the table, nor winning the MAC for a third straight year.

I think that Wesley, Salsbury and Rowan catch a huge break with the departure of Frostburg.

A little birdie also tells me that this season's game might be the end, for now, of the Wesley vs. DelVal series. I have no clue who Wesley replaces them with.

I've never been one to pat myself on the back and I don't want to start now but damn, did I nail the Wesley vs. DelVal game down to a nanometer.

Wesley won. Check. DelVal covered. Check.

There are only 5 or 6 teams who beat Wesley 3 out of 4 years and DelVal is not of that ilk.

Neither of these teams has a prayer to be in the national conversation and would get monkey stomped by the likes of UMHB, Mount Union and Whitewater.

DelVal wins if their FG kicker hits his. Wesley wins of their FG kicker hits his.

They are two pretty evenly matched teams with brand new QB's. The difference was the sheer amount of newbies on DelVal's offense and it shows.

Wesley cakewalks through the Frostburgless NJAC.

The Aggies do NOT win the MAC.

Call we the swammy ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 15, 2019, 08:02:10 PM
I am still lurking too...just a lot going on right now...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 20, 2019, 11:39:46 PM
Below are my week 3 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 3 Predictions

FDU @ Widener (-4.5): Widener wins by 10

Stevenson @ Del Val (-6.5): Del Val wins by 7

Wilkes @ Lycoming (-6.5): Lycoming wins by 6

Alvernia @ Leb Val (-25.5): Leb Val wins by 14

King's (-19.5) @ Hartwick: King's wins by 17

Week 3 Rankings
1. Del Val (1-1, 0-0)
2. Stevenson (1-1, 0-0)
3. Widener (1-1, 0-0)
4. King's (1-0, 0-0)
5. Misericordia (0-1, 0-0)
6. Lycoming (1-1, 0-0)
7. Wilkes (2-0, 0-0)
8. FDU (1-1, 0-0)
9. Leb Val (0-2, 0-0) 
10. Albright (0-2, 0-0)
11. Alvernia (1-1, 0-0)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 2-5 (.286)
Season: 9-9 (.500)
Career: 102-45 (.694)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 20, 2019, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 14, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 13, 2019, 08:26:26 AM
This board has become a morgue since the departures of ColonelJohn, Lycosimba (when Lyco went down the tubes.........he disappeared) and even bman. I look at the other conference boards with a slightly jealous eye ;) Oh well, life goes on...........................

**********Below posted on June 12, 2019....................and my mind has not changed in the three months since:**********

DelVal will be in a massive rebuilding year this coming season so I don't see them as one of the better teams in the East.

The DelVal vs. Wesley game should be interesting. DelVal loses their four year starter at QB (Darden), their top three receivers (with all at least 6'4".......Ellis, Graham and Stewart), stud kick returner and punt returner Stewart (4 TD's last year), three of their five mulit-year starter offensive linemen and their all conference fullback/hback. I think they struggle mightily to move the ball against a loaded Wesley defense. And when they do, DelVal also loses their four year punter, All-American Steven Adams (currently in an NFL rookie camp, and getting CFL looks) who was an amazing weapon at the D3 level. Wesley knows first hand what it is like to be subpar at kicker and/or punter.

DelVal brings a lot back on defense, but Wesley does on offense, including a lightning quick back (Lee), big, fast WR's and a huge offensive line. After DelVal winning the first two and Wesley winning last year, I'll set the line at at Wesley -9.5. DelVal covers, but Wesley wins to tie the recent series (last four seasons) up at 2-2. No team, with the exception of Mount Union, Mary Hardin Baylor, Wisconsin Whitewater and maybe one or two I'm missing, beats Wesley 3 out of 4 games (this season's seniors were freshman during game one of the series).........certainly NOT DelVal.

I don't have a MAC prediction yet, but I don't see DelVal running the table, nor winning the MAC for a third straight year.

I think that Wesley, Salsbury and Rowan catch a huge break with the departure of Frostburg.

A little birdie also tells me that this season's game might be the end, for now, of the Wesley vs. DelVal series. I have no clue who Wesley replaces them with.

I've never been one to pat myself on the back and I don't want to start now but damn, did I nail the Wesley vs. DelVal game down to a nanometer.

Wesley won. Check. DelVal covered. Check.

There are only 5 or 6 teams who beat Wesley 3 out of 4 years and DelVal is not of that ilk.

Neither of these teams has a prayer to be in the national conversation and would get monkey stomped by the likes of UMHB, Mount Union and Whitewater.

DelVal wins if their FG kicker hits his. Wesley wins of their FG kicker hits his.

They are two pretty evenly matched teams with brand new QB's. The difference was the sheer amount of newbies on DelVal's offense and it shows.

Wesley cakewalks through the Frostburgless NJAC.

The Aggies do NOT win the MAC.

Call we the swammy ;)

Good call on your prediction for the game! I enjoy reading your insightful posts as I find them to usually be accurate reads on any program. I'm curious who your prediction will be to win the MAC this season as you have already stated that you don't believe Del Val wins it. I unfortunately disagree as I see my Mustangs being the only obstacle for Del Val and that game is at their stadium. I'm hopeful your correct as I would like my Mustangs to win it again as that 2016 season was a wonderful season to follow.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 21, 2019, 09:31:22 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 20, 2019, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 14, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 13, 2019, 08:26:26 AM
This board has become a morgue since the departures of ColonelJohn, Lycosimba (when Lyco went down the tubes.........he disappeared) and even bman. I look at the other conference boards with a slightly jealous eye ;) Oh well, life goes on...........................

**********Below posted on June 12, 2019....................and my mind has not changed in the three months since:**********

DelVal will be in a massive rebuilding year this coming season so I don't see them as one of the better teams in the East.

The DelVal vs. Wesley game should be interesting. DelVal loses their four year starter at QB (Darden), their top three receivers (with all at least 6'4".......Ellis, Graham and Stewart), stud kick returner and punt returner Stewart (4 TD's last year), three of their five mulit-year starter offensive linemen and their all conference fullback/hback. I think they struggle mightily to move the ball against a loaded Wesley defense. And when they do, DelVal also loses their four year punter, All-American Steven Adams (currently in an NFL rookie camp, and getting CFL looks) who was an amazing weapon at the D3 level. Wesley knows first hand what it is like to be subpar at kicker and/or punter.

DelVal brings a lot back on defense, but Wesley does on offense, including a lightning quick back (Lee), big, fast WR's and a huge offensive line. After DelVal winning the first two and Wesley winning last year, I'll set the line at at Wesley -9.5. DelVal covers, but Wesley wins to tie the recent series (last four seasons) up at 2-2. No team, with the exception of Mount Union, Mary Hardin Baylor, Wisconsin Whitewater and maybe one or two I'm missing, beats Wesley 3 out of 4 games (this season's seniors were freshman during game one of the series).........certainly NOT DelVal.

I don't have a MAC prediction yet, but I don't see DelVal running the table, nor winning the MAC for a third straight year.

I think that Wesley, Salsbury and Rowan catch a huge break with the departure of Frostburg.

A little birdie also tells me that this season's game might be the end, for now, of the Wesley vs. DelVal series. I have no clue who Wesley replaces them with.

I've never been one to pat myself on the back and I don't want to start now but damn, did I nail the Wesley vs. DelVal game down to a nanometer.

Wesley won. Check. DelVal covered. Check.

There are only 5 or 6 teams who beat Wesley 3 out of 4 years and DelVal is not of that ilk.

Neither of these teams has a prayer to be in the national conversation and would get monkey stomped by the likes of UMHB, Mount Union and Whitewater.

DelVal wins if their FG kicker hits his. Wesley wins of their FG kicker hits his.

They are two pretty evenly matched teams with brand new QB's. The difference was the sheer amount of newbies on DelVal's offense and it shows.

Wesley cakewalks through the Frostburgless NJAC.

The Aggies do NOT win the MAC.

Call we the swammy ;)

Good call on your prediction for the game! I enjoy reading your insightful posts as I find them to usually be accurate reads on any program. I'm curious who your prediction will be to win the MAC this season as you have already stated that you don't believe Del Val wins it. I unfortunately disagree as I see my Mustangs being the only obstacle for Del Val and that game is at their stadium. I'm hopeful your correct as I would like my Mustangs to win it again as that 2016 season was a wonderful season to follow.

Thank you my friend! This board used to be a lot more active but many have departed (while a couple still lurk). I do have Stevenson winning the MAC, although if the Aggies win this game, I think it's between them and Lycoming, with their game AT Lycoming (and maybe Simba comes out of hiding..................and tells us that he was "indisposed" for the last few years while his Lyco team struggled ;) )
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 22, 2019, 12:24:01 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 21, 2019, 09:31:22 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 20, 2019, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 14, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 13, 2019, 08:26:26 AM
This board has become a morgue since the departures of ColonelJohn, Lycosimba (when Lyco went down the tubes.........he disappeared) and even bman. I look at the other conference boards with a slightly jealous eye ;) Oh well, life goes on...........................

**********Below posted on June 12, 2019....................and my mind has not changed in the three months since:**********

DelVal will be in a massive rebuilding year this coming season so I don't see them as one of the better teams in the East.

The DelVal vs. Wesley game should be interesting. DelVal loses their four year starter at QB (Darden), their top three receivers (with all at least 6'4".......Ellis, Graham and Stewart), stud kick returner and punt returner Stewart (4 TD's last year), three of their five mulit-year starter offensive linemen and their all conference fullback/hback. I think they struggle mightily to move the ball against a loaded Wesley defense. And when they do, DelVal also loses their four year punter, All-American Steven Adams (currently in an NFL rookie camp, and getting CFL looks) who was an amazing weapon at the D3 level. Wesley knows first hand what it is like to be subpar at kicker and/or punter.

DelVal brings a lot back on defense, but Wesley does on offense, including a lightning quick back (Lee), big, fast WR's and a huge offensive line. After DelVal winning the first two and Wesley winning last year, I'll set the line at at Wesley -9.5. DelVal covers, but Wesley wins to tie the recent series (last four seasons) up at 2-2. No team, with the exception of Mount Union, Mary Hardin Baylor, Wisconsin Whitewater and maybe one or two I'm missing, beats Wesley 3 out of 4 games (this season's seniors were freshman during game one of the series).........certainly NOT DelVal.

I don't have a MAC prediction yet, but I don't see DelVal running the table, nor winning the MAC for a third straight year.

I think that Wesley, Salsbury and Rowan catch a huge break with the departure of Frostburg.

A little birdie also tells me that this season's game might be the end, for now, of the Wesley vs. DelVal series. I have no clue who Wesley replaces them with.

I've never been one to pat myself on the back and I don't want to start now but damn, did I nail the Wesley vs. DelVal game down to a nanometer.

Wesley won. Check. DelVal covered. Check.

There are only 5 or 6 teams who beat Wesley 3 out of 4 years and DelVal is not of that ilk.

Neither of these teams has a prayer to be in the national conversation and would get monkey stomped by the likes of UMHB, Mount Union and Whitewater.

DelVal wins if their FG kicker hits his. Wesley wins of their FG kicker hits his.

They are two pretty evenly matched teams with brand new QB's. The difference was the sheer amount of newbies on DelVal's offense and it shows.

Wesley cakewalks through the Frostburgless NJAC.

The Aggies do NOT win the MAC.

Call we the swammy ;)

Good call on your prediction for the game! I enjoy reading your insightful posts as I find them to usually be accurate reads on any program. I'm curious who your prediction will be to win the MAC this season as you have already stated that you don't believe Del Val wins it. I unfortunately disagree as I see my Mustangs being the only obstacle for Del Val and that game is at their stadium. I'm hopeful your correct as I would like my Mustangs to win it again as that 2016 season was a wonderful season to follow.

Thank you my friend! This board used to be a lot more active but many have departed (while a couple still lurk). I do have Stevenson winning the MAC, although if the Aggies win this game, I think it's between them and Lycoming, with their game AT Lycoming (and maybe Simba comes out of hiding..................and tells us that he was "indisposed" for the last few years while his Lyco team struggled ;) )

How do you feel after today's results in the MAC? After watching the Stevenson at Del Val game, I have a gut feeling that the conference champion was not determined yet. I don't want to take any respect away from Del Val as they fought hard for that win, but if this game was back at Mustang Stadium I bet it would have been a different result. I believe we could see either Wilkes, King's, Lycoming, or Widener knock off a win against Del Val, which would put the conference championship back in play. As long as my Mustangs fix the big mistakes from today, I feel they are still in the race as much as before today.

As for the lack of board posters I'm hopeful we see more participants going forward! Maybe some old faces return or maybe we can recruit some posters to join the discussion either from other boards or fresh faces. I've been able to post mostly on Fridays and Saturdays lately so I apologize for not being able to add as much content to this board compared to previous years.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 22, 2019, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 22, 2019, 12:24:01 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 21, 2019, 09:31:22 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 20, 2019, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 14, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 13, 2019, 08:26:26 AM
This board has become a morgue since the departures of ColonelJohn, Lycosimba (when Lyco went down the tubes.........he disappeared) and even bman. I look at the other conference boards with a slightly jealous eye ;) Oh well, life goes on...........................

**********Below posted on June 12, 2019....................and my mind has not changed in the three months since:**********

DelVal will be in a massive rebuilding year this coming season so I don't see them as one of the better teams in the East.

The DelVal vs. Wesley game should be interesting. DelVal loses their four year starter at QB (Darden), their top three receivers (with all at least 6'4".......Ellis, Graham and Stewart), stud kick returner and punt returner Stewart (4 TD's last year), three of their five mulit-year starter offensive linemen and their all conference fullback/hback. I think they struggle mightily to move the ball against a loaded Wesley defense. And when they do, DelVal also loses their four year punter, All-American Steven Adams (currently in an NFL rookie camp, and getting CFL looks) who was an amazing weapon at the D3 level. Wesley knows first hand what it is like to be subpar at kicker and/or punter.

DelVal brings a lot back on defense, but Wesley does on offense, including a lightning quick back (Lee), big, fast WR's and a huge offensive line. After DelVal winning the first two and Wesley winning last year, I'll set the line at at Wesley -9.5. DelVal covers, but Wesley wins to tie the recent series (last four seasons) up at 2-2. No team, with the exception of Mount Union, Mary Hardin Baylor, Wisconsin Whitewater and maybe one or two I'm missing, beats Wesley 3 out of 4 games (this season's seniors were freshman during game one of the series).........certainly NOT DelVal.

I don't have a MAC prediction yet, but I don't see DelVal running the table, nor winning the MAC for a third straight year.

I think that Wesley, Salsbury and Rowan catch a huge break with the departure of Frostburg.

A little birdie also tells me that this season's game might be the end, for now, of the Wesley vs. DelVal series. I have no clue who Wesley replaces them with.

I've never been one to pat myself on the back and I don't want to start now but damn, did I nail the Wesley vs. DelVal game down to a nanometer.

Wesley won. Check. DelVal covered. Check.

There are only 5 or 6 teams who beat Wesley 3 out of 4 years and DelVal is not of that ilk.

Neither of these teams has a prayer to be in the national conversation and would get monkey stomped by the likes of UMHB, Mount Union and Whitewater.

DelVal wins if their FG kicker hits his. Wesley wins of their FG kicker hits his.

They are two pretty evenly matched teams with brand new QB's. The difference was the sheer amount of newbies on DelVal's offense and it shows.

Wesley cakewalks through the Frostburgless NJAC.

The Aggies do NOT win the MAC.

Call we the swammy ;)

Good call on your prediction for the game! I enjoy reading your insightful posts as I find them to usually be accurate reads on any program. I'm curious who your prediction will be to win the MAC this season as you have already stated that you don't believe Del Val wins it. I unfortunately disagree as I see my Mustangs being the only obstacle for Del Val and that game is at their stadium. I'm hopeful your correct as I would like my Mustangs to win it again as that 2016 season was a wonderful season to follow.

Thank you my friend! This board used to be a lot more active but many have departed (while a couple still lurk). I do have Stevenson winning the MAC, although if the Aggies win this game, I think it's between them and Lycoming, with their game AT Lycoming (and maybe Simba comes out of hiding..................and tells us that he was "indisposed" for the last few years while his Lyco team struggled ;) )

How do you feel after today's results in the MAC? After watching the Stevenson at Del Val game, I have a gut feeling that the conference champion was not determined yet. I don't want to take any respect away from Del Val as they fought hard for that win, but if this game was back at Mustang Stadium I bet it would have been a different result. I believe we could see either Wilkes, King's, Lycoming, or Widener knock off a win against Del Val, which would put the conference championship back in play. As long as my Mustangs fix the big mistakes from today, I feel they are still in the race as much as before today.

As for the lack of board posters I'm hopeful we see more participants going forward! Maybe some old faces return or maybe we can recruit some posters to join the discussion either from other boards or fresh faces. I've been able to post mostly on Fridays and Saturdays lately so I apologize for not being able to add as much content to this board compared to previous years.

I'm really in a quandry regarding the MAC at this point and feel the same as you that the conference championship was not decided yesterday. I'm not sure about Stevenson winning at home though. DelVal was running the ball in for a 21-7 lead right before the half until the fumble. They got zero "home town calls" as the refs were brutal for both sides, especially for DelVal. The late hit out of bounds on the 3 and 33 was quite bogus. The personal foul on 20 was as the result of the Stevenson player not getting off of the top of him. DelVal also muffed a punt inside their own 20. Sedgewick was sacked 8 times (would have been 10 if not for 2 penalties) and they had a hard time running the ball (as did DelVal)..................even after the Aggies stud DE (the other Nobile left the game with a dislocated shoulder). I would say they are two evenly matched teams, but I believe that each has a MAC loss in them. If DelVal loses one and Stevenson loses a second, do any of the other MAC teams run the table or lose only 1? That is the big question and I have no idea at this point. DelVal has to get their running back healthy (Strothers) or the run game is in trouble.

I do hope that some more people join us here. We'll see as the season goes on. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 22, 2019, 11:07:21 AM
I also hope to contribute more as the season takes off, and as I plan to catch more games in person.

On that note, it was a great day for football in Williamsport yesterday, as the Colonels hung tough and kept focus to pull out a win in double overtime against Lycoming. A back-and-forth game between two well-matched teams, with big plays (as well as some miscues) on both sides. I think you see the ongoing evolution on the Wilkes side with the team hanging tough and continuing to go at it when things didn't break their way at several points; that attitude will keep them as a player in the conference race this season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 28, 2019, 12:32:53 AM
Below are my week 4 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 4 Predictions

Stevenson (-20.5) @ FDU: Stevenson wins by 28

Leb Val (-2.5) @ Misericordia: Misericordia wins by 3

Del Val (-27.5) @ Albright: Del Val wins by 24

Widener (-30.5) @ Alvernia: Widener wins by 35

Lycoming (-3.5) @ King's: King's wins by 7

Week 4 Rankings
1. Del Val (2-1, 1-0)
2. Stevenson (1-2, 0-1)
3. Widener (2-1, 1-0)
4. King's (2-0, 0-0)
5. Wilkes (3-0, 1-0)
6. Lycoming (1-2, 0-1)
7. Misericordia (0-1, 0-0)
8. Leb Val (1-2, 1-0)
9. FDU (1-2, 1-0) 
10. Albright (0-2, 0-0)
11. Alvernia (1-2, 0-1)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 13-10 (.565)
Career: 106-46 (.697)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on September 28, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
A big concern for my Mustangs has been the 20 sacks allowed through three games. I can pinpoint a portion of the issue to the new QB sometimes holding the ball too long, but I suspect as the season progresses and he settles into the offense that number will improve.

I see Del Val's biggest issue being their DBs struggling to hold their own against good passing teams. If they get knocked off, it will be due to struggles against a pass heavy team. As of today I only see them losing one game sometime during a tough October stretch or Widener in November.

Wilkes is a team I'm watching to make some noise in the MAC race heading into November. I look forward to following their progress as I'm impressed with the progression they've made since the start of last season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 30, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 28, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
A big concern for my Mustangs has been the 20 sacks allowed through three games. I can pinpoint a portion of the issue to the new QB sometimes holding the ball too long, but I suspect as the season progresses and he settles into the offense that number will improve.

I see Del Val's biggest issue being their DBs struggling to hold their own against good passing teams. If they get knocked off, it will be due to struggles against a pass heavy team. As of today I only see them losing one game sometime during a tough October stretch or Widener in November.

Wilkes is a team I'm watching to make some noise in the MAC race heading into November. I look forward to following their progress as I'm impressed with the progression they've made since the start of last season.

I had them on my ERFP ballot last week, but removed them as their win against Lycoming doesn't look all to great after Lycoming's loss to King's. Nevertheless, I can see them get to 5-0 with a big matchup mid October against Delaware Valley. Not sure how they will fair after that matchup as their schedule is back loaded.

I'm also looking into this Widener vs. Stevenson game as well. Widener loss to Lycoming looks like one of those  ??? type games and Stevenson's losses look better and better as both Delaware Valley and Bridgewater continue to win.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 30, 2019, 11:30:50 AM
Yep, big couple of weeks here. Del Val has to go to Lycoming which is always a tough trip.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 02, 2019, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on September 30, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 28, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
A big concern for my Mustangs has been the 20 sacks allowed through three games. I can pinpoint a portion of the issue to the new QB sometimes holding the ball too long, but I suspect as the season progresses and he settles into the offense that number will improve.

I see Del Val's biggest issue being their DBs struggling to hold their own against good passing teams. If they get knocked off, it will be due to struggles against a pass heavy team. As of today I only see them losing one game sometime during a tough October stretch or Widener in November.

Wilkes is a team I'm watching to make some noise in the MAC race heading into November. I look forward to following their progress as I'm impressed with the progression they've made since the start of last season.

I had them on my ERFP ballot last week, but removed them as their win against Lycoming doesn't look all to great after Lycoming's loss to King's. Nevertheless, I can see them get to 5-0 with a big matchup mid October against Delaware Valley. Not sure how they will fair after that matchup as their schedule is back loaded.

I'm also looking into this Widener vs. Stevenson game as well. Widener loss to Lycoming looks like one of those  ??? type games and Stevenson's losses look better and better as both Delaware Valley and Bridgewater continue to win.

Great to see the Colonels getting some good recognition for a strong start. I've only seen one game in person (at Lycoming), but I am planning to be at the homecoming game vs. Alvernia this weekend.

I think one of the keys to the team playing better this season is improved line play on both sides of the ball, particularly on offense with the running game. It adds a dimension of balance that has also helps fine-tune the passing game.

Still a long way to go, but the Colonels get both Del Val and Stevenson at home, and play one one more game (at Albright) outside of the Wyoming Valley for the rest of the regular season. The team has grown and improved; I am eager to see how they stack up against some of the traditional powers coming up.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 05, 2019, 03:42:07 AM
Below are my week 5 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 5 Predictions

Albright @ FDU (-0.5): Albright wins by 3

Del Val (-20.5) @ Lycoming: Del Val wins by 20

Alvernia @ Wilkes (-29.5): Wilkes wins by 27

King's (-7.5) @ Misericordia: King's wins by 10

Widener @ Stevenson (-7.5): Stevenson wins by 7

Week 5 Rankings
1. Del Val (3-1, 2-0)
2. Stevenson (2-2, 1-1)
3. Widener (3-1, 2-0)
4. King's (3-0, 1-0)
5. Wilkes (3-0, 1-0)
6. Lycoming (1-3, 0-2)
7. Misericordia (1-1, 1-0)
8. Leb Val (1-3, 1-1)
9. FDU (1-3, 0-2) 
10. Albright (0-3, 0-1)
11. Alvernia (1-3, 0-2)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 5-0 (1.000)
Season: 18-10 (.643)
Career: 111-46 (.707)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 05, 2019, 03:49:39 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on September 30, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 28, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
A big concern for my Mustangs has been the 20 sacks allowed through three games. I can pinpoint a portion of the issue to the new QB sometimes holding the ball too long, but I suspect as the season progresses and he settles into the offense that number will improve.

I see Del Val's biggest issue being their DBs struggling to hold their own against good passing teams. If they get knocked off, it will be due to struggles against a pass heavy team. As of today I only see them losing one game sometime during a tough October stretch or Widener in November.

Wilkes is a team I'm watching to make some noise in the MAC race heading into November. I look forward to following their progress as I'm impressed with the progression they've made since the start of last season.

I had them on my ERFP ballot last week, but removed them as their win against Lycoming doesn't look all to great after Lycoming's loss to King's. Nevertheless, I can see them get to 5-0 with a big matchup mid October against Delaware Valley. Not sure how they will fair after that matchup as their schedule is back loaded.

I'm also looking into this Widener vs. Stevenson game as well. Widener loss to Lycoming looks like one of those  ??? type games and Stevenson's losses look better and better as both Delaware Valley and Bridgewater continue to win.

I'm looking forward as well to the Widener vs. Stevenson game as it could be a good resume addition for my Mustangs if they get the win. So far their only wins have been against opponents with losing records. The two loses; however, have been against two quality top 40 opponents.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 05, 2019, 03:57:32 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 02, 2019, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on September 30, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 28, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
A big concern for my Mustangs has been the 20 sacks allowed through three games. I can pinpoint a portion of the issue to the new QB sometimes holding the ball too long, but I suspect as the season progresses and he settles into the offense that number will improve.

I see Del Val's biggest issue being their DBs struggling to hold their own against good passing teams. If they get knocked off, it will be due to struggles against a pass heavy team. As of today I only see them losing one game sometime during a tough October stretch or Widener in November.

Wilkes is a team I'm watching to make some noise in the MAC race heading into November. I look forward to following their progress as I'm impressed with the progression they've made since the start of last season.

I had them on my ERFP ballot last week, but removed them as their win against Lycoming doesn't look all to great after Lycoming's loss to King's. Nevertheless, I can see them get to 5-0 with a big matchup mid October against Delaware Valley. Not sure how they will fair after that matchup as their schedule is back loaded.

I'm also looking into this Widener vs. Stevenson game as well. Widener loss to Lycoming looks like one of those  ??? type games and Stevenson's losses look better and better as both Delaware Valley and Bridgewater continue to win.

Great to see the Colonels getting some good recognition for a strong start. I've only seen one game in person (at Lycoming), but I am planning to be at the homecoming game vs. Alvernia this weekend.

I think one of the keys to the team playing better this season is improved line play on both sides of the ball, particularly on offense with the running game. It adds a dimension of balance that has also helps fine-tune the passing game.

Still a long way to go, but the Colonels get both Del Val and Stevenson at home, and play one one more game (at Albright) outside of the Wyoming Valley for the rest of the regular season. The team has grown and improved; I am eager to see how they stack up against some of the traditional powers coming up.

Wilkes does have a challenging finish to the season, but I do believe they have found the right coach that has them on the right track. More teams in contention makes the race more entertaining to follow!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 12, 2019, 06:06:53 AM
Below are my week 6 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 6 Predictions

FDU @ Leb Val (-1.5): Leb Val wins by 3

Lycoming (-31.5) @ Alvernia: Lycoming wins by 21

Wilkes (-7.5) @ Albright: Wilkes wins by 14

King's @ Del Val (-23.5): Del Val wins by 21

Misericordia @ Widener (-6.5): Widener wins by 3

Week 6 Rankings
1. Del Val (4-1, 3-0)
2. Stevenson (3-2, 2-1)
3. Wilkes (4-0, 2-0)
4. Misericordia (2-1, 2-0)
5. King's (3-1, 1-1)
6. Widener (3-2, 2-1)
7. Lycoming (1-4, 0-3)
8. Leb Val (1-3, 1-1)
9. FDU (2-3, 1-2) 
10. Albright (0-4, 0-2)
11. Alvernia (1-4, 0-3)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 3-2 (.600)
Season: 21-12 (.636)
Career: 114-48 (.704)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 13, 2019, 05:58:21 PM
Seems strange that all three of the Centennial Schools in the top 25 had a bye this week, and yet Muhlenberg moves up one.   On the other hand Del Val, who maybe didn't have their best game against King's, but won, slipped three spots???    Go Aggies
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 13, 2019, 06:02:08 PM
Quote from: kate on October 13, 2019, 05:58:21 PM
Seems strange that all three of the Centennial Schools in the top 25 had a bye this week, and yet Muhlenberg moves up one.   On the other hand Del Val, who maybe didn't have their best game against King's, but won, slipped three spots???    Go Aggies

Other things also happened, though.

Bethel lost, and fell behind Muhlenberg.
Wesley lost, and fell a few spots. (Notable because Delaware Valley lost to Wesley.)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 15, 2019, 10:02:56 PM
Thank you Pat - also, while i'm on here, have to compliment Gordon Mann for his great call of the Aggie games!   Much appreciated!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 19, 2019, 10:07:25 AM
Below are my week 7 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 7 Predictions

Misericordia (-5.5) @ FDU: Misericordia wins by 7

Del Val (-23.5) @ Wilkes: Del Val wins by 13

Alvernia @ King's (-25.5): King's wins by 24

Leb Val @ Widener (-7.5): Widener wins by 10

Albright @ Stevenson (-26.5): Stevenson wins by 27

Week 7 Rankings
1. Del Val (5-1, 4-0)
2. Stevenson (3-2, 2-1)
3. Wilkes (5-0, 3-0)
4. Misericordia (3-1, 3-0)
5. King's (3-2, 1-2)
6. Widener (3-3, 2-2)
7. Lycoming (1-5, 0-4)
8. Leb Val (2-3, 2-1)
9. FDU (2-4, 1-3) 
10. Alvernia (2-4, 1-3)
11. Albright (0-5, 0-3)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 3-2 (.600)
Season: 24-14 (.667)
Career: 117-50 (.700)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2019, 05:51:16 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 02, 2019, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on September 30, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 28, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
A big concern for my Mustangs has been the 20 sacks allowed through three games. I can pinpoint a portion of the issue to the new QB sometimes holding the ball too long, but I suspect as the season progresses and he settles into the offense that number will improve.

I see Del Val's biggest issue being their DBs struggling to hold their own against good passing teams. If they get knocked off, it will be due to struggles against a pass heavy team. As of today I only see them losing one game sometime during a tough October stretch or Widener in November.

Wilkes is a team I'm watching to make some noise in the MAC race heading into November. I look forward to following their progress as I'm impressed with the progression they've made since the start of last season.

I had them on my ERFP ballot last week, but removed them as their win against Lycoming doesn't look all to great after Lycoming's loss to King's. Nevertheless, I can see them get to 5-0 with a big matchup mid October against Delaware Valley. Not sure how they will fair after that matchup as their schedule is back loaded.

I'm also looking into this Widener vs. Stevenson game as well. Widener loss to Lycoming looks like one of those  ??? type games and Stevenson's losses look better and better as both Delaware Valley and Bridgewater continue to win.

Great to see the Colonels getting some good recognition for a strong start. I've only seen one game in person (at Lycoming), but I am planning to be at the homecoming game vs. Alvernia this weekend.

I think one of the keys to the team playing better this season is improved line play on both sides of the ball, particularly on offense with the running game. It adds a dimension of balance that has also helps fine-tune the passing game.

Still a long way to go, but the Colonels get both Del Val and Stevenson at home, and play one one more game (at Albright) outside of the Wyoming Valley for the rest of the regular season. The team has grown and improved; I am eager to see how they stack up against some of the traditional powers coming up.

I did NOT expect THAT game from Wilkes, at home nonetheless. Four first downs for the entire game. Under 100 total yards of offense (when backing out the meaningless end of game yardage). If DelVal hadn't shot themselves in the foot on three or four possessions, they could have put up 70.

Drach is quite pissed as a few of the players provided DelVal with some prime bulletin board material leading up to this game. I'd say that the extra motivation wasn't necessary........but you could see it in some of the hits. Tabora played like an inexperienced freshman vs. a four year starter at QB. He was shockingly bad. Even the Wilkes fans around us had never seen him play this poorly. He looked tentative and was in self protection mode way too early in the game. They literally had no running game whatsoever.

G-ManWU, you've got to tell me what you hear from your inside sources as this had to be a stunner to anybody involved with the program.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 20, 2019, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2019, 05:51:16 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 02, 2019, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on September 30, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 28, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
A big concern for my Mustangs has been the 20 sacks allowed through three games. I can pinpoint a portion of the issue to the new QB sometimes holding the ball too long, but I suspect as the season progresses and he settles into the offense that number will improve.

I see Del Val's biggest issue being their DBs struggling to hold their own against good passing teams. If they get knocked off, it will be due to struggles against a pass heavy team. As of today I only see them losing one game sometime during a tough October stretch or Widener in November.

Wilkes is a team I'm watching to make some noise in the MAC race heading into November. I look forward to following their progress as I'm impressed with the progression they've made since the start of last season.

I had them on my ERFP ballot last week, but removed them as their win against Lycoming doesn't look all to great after Lycoming's loss to King's. Nevertheless, I can see them get to 5-0 with a big matchup mid October against Delaware Valley. Not sure how they will fair after that matchup as their schedule is back loaded.

I'm also looking into this Widener vs. Stevenson game as well. Widener loss to Lycoming looks like one of those  ??? type games and Stevenson's losses look better and better as both Delaware Valley and Bridgewater continue to win.

Great to see the Colonels getting some good recognition for a strong start. I've only seen one game in person (at Lycoming), but I am planning to be at the homecoming game vs. Alvernia this weekend.

I think one of the keys to the team playing better this season is improved line play on both sides of the ball, particularly on offense with the running game. It adds a dimension of balance that has also helps fine-tune the passing game.

Still a long way to go, but the Colonels get both Del Val and Stevenson at home, and play one one more game (at Albright) outside of the Wyoming Valley for the rest of the regular season. The team has grown and improved; I am eager to see how they stack up against some of the traditional powers coming up.

I did NOT expect THAT game from Wilkes, at home nonetheless. Four first downs for the entire game. Under 100 total yards of offense (when backing out the meaningless end of game yardage). If DelVal hadn't shot themselves in the foot on three or four possessions, they could have put up 70.

Drach is quite pissed as a few of the players provided DelVal with some prime bulletin board material leading up to this game. I'd say that the extra motivation wasn't necessary........but you could see it in some of the hits. Tabora played like an inexperienced freshman vs. a four year starter at QB. He was shockingly bad. Even the Wilkes fans around us had never seen him play this poorly. He looked tentative and was in self protection mode way too early in the game. They literally had no running game whatsoever.

G-ManWU, you've got to tell me what you hear from your inside sources as this had to be a stunner to anybody involved with the program.

I wish I knew you would be in the house jmcozenlaw; I would have looked for you!!! I was not hard to spot; you just needed to look for the guy sitting near the press box door rocking the 2005 Wilkes Football team pullover, with increasing amounts of gray showing in his hair  :-[

On the inside information, I have nothing to offer, as my time as an insider ended long ago. In terms of motivation, I would think the close call at home against King's would have served as much more of a factor for DVU than any trash talking done by players in the run up to the contest.

As for the game itself, I think pretty much every player on the Aggies roster was 2-3 times quicker than any player the Colonels have seen so far this season. They say speed kills; I think that was the biggest factor on both sides of the ball. The entire team was just...really fast.

Still lots for the Colonels to play for this season; to see the team secure a winning record and (hopefully) a postseason berth would be another great step forward. Not to mention the chance to go up against the two other local programs that have bedeviled Wilkes in recent years.

Last but not least, I admired the spirit of the DVU cheering section in the middle of the bleachers, but I would think that chanting "the best defense in the whole country" would get a bit tiring after four quarters. I admired the team spirit, but some of it was a bit...excessive, if I may say so  ::)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2019, 09:41:39 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 20, 2019, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2019, 05:51:16 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 02, 2019, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on September 30, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 28, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
A big concern for my Mustangs has been the 20 sacks allowed through three games. I can pinpoint a portion of the issue to the new QB sometimes holding the ball too long, but I suspect as the season progresses and he settles into the offense that number will improve.

I see Del Val's biggest issue being their DBs struggling to hold their own against good passing teams. If they get knocked off, it will be due to struggles against a pass heavy team. As of today I only see them losing one game sometime during a tough October stretch or Widener in November.

Wilkes is a team I'm watching to make some noise in the MAC race heading into November. I look forward to following their progress as I'm impressed with the progression they've made since the start of last season.

I had them on my ERFP ballot last week, but removed them as their win against Lycoming doesn't look all to great after Lycoming's loss to King's. Nevertheless, I can see them get to 5-0 with a big matchup mid October against Delaware Valley. Not sure how they will fair after that matchup as their schedule is back loaded.

I'm also looking into this Widener vs. Stevenson game as well. Widener loss to Lycoming looks like one of those  ??? type games and Stevenson's losses look better and better as both Delaware Valley and Bridgewater continue to win.

Great to see the Colonels getting some good recognition for a strong start. I've only seen one game in person (at Lycoming), but I am planning to be at the homecoming game vs. Alvernia this weekend.

I think one of the keys to the team playing better this season is improved line play on both sides of the ball, particularly on offense with the running game. It adds a dimension of balance that has also helps fine-tune the passing game.

Still a long way to go, but the Colonels get both Del Val and Stevenson at home, and play one one more game (at Albright) outside of the Wyoming Valley for the rest of the regular season. The team has grown and improved; I am eager to see how they stack up against some of the traditional powers coming up.

I did NOT expect THAT game from Wilkes, at home nonetheless. Four first downs for the entire game. Under 100 total yards of offense (when backing out the meaningless end of game yardage). If DelVal hadn't shot themselves in the foot on three or four possessions, they could have put up 70.

Drach is quite pissed as a few of the players provided DelVal with some prime bulletin board material leading up to this game. I'd say that the extra motivation wasn't necessary........but you could see it in some of the hits. Tabora played like an inexperienced freshman vs. a four year starter at QB. He was shockingly bad. Even the Wilkes fans around us had never seen him play this poorly. He looked tentative and was in self protection mode way too early in the game. They literally had no running game whatsoever.

G-ManWU, you've got to tell me what you hear from your inside sources as this had to be a stunner to anybody involved with the program.

I wish I knew you would be in the house jmcozenlaw; I would have looked for you!!! I was not hard to spot; you just needed to look for the guy sitting near the press box door rocking the 2005 Wilkes Football team pullover, with increasing amounts of gray showing in his hair  :-[

On the inside information, I have nothing to offer, as my time as an insider ended long ago. In terms of motivation, I would think the close call at home against King's would have served as much more of a factor for DVU than any trash talking done by players in the run up to the contest.

As for the game itself, I think pretty much every player on the Aggies roster was 2-3 times quicker than any player the Colonels have seen so far this season. They say speed kills; I think that was the biggest factor on both sides of the ball. The entire team was just...really fast.

Still lots for the Colonels to play for this season; to see the team secure a winning record and (hopefully) a postseason berth would be another great step forward. Not to mention the chance to go up against the two other local programs that have bedeviled Wilkes in recent years.

Last but not least, I admired the spirit of the DVU cheering section in the middle of the bleachers, but I would think that chanting "the best defense in the whole country" would get a bit tiring after four quarters. I admired the team spirit, but some of it was a bit...excessive, if I may say so  ::)

GMan - I wish that we could have met in person. My bad! The DelVal fans do travel nicely, I'd say better than any of the other MAC schools. I was leading our "Whose House? Our House" chant as we tend to do at opposing stadiums. I agree with the speed thing BUT I've seen Tabora tear apart better Aggies defenses (particularly the quarterfinal team from 2017)..................he honestly looked like a shell of his former self. The Wilkes folks told me that he was 100% healthy.

I want to see the Aggies defense when they are 100% healthy (missing three impact starters), including #7's twin brother, another terror at the defensive end position. They have missed him since he injured his shoulder early in the season.

Wilkes has much to be proud of given the record to date. I do think they are light years behind the Stevenson's and DelVal's of the MAC though. It is funny to see the look on the other teams faces in the postgame huddle. DelVal does 50 pushup's as a team after the game........the opponents look over as if to say, "Jesus, aren't they spent yet?".

I still don't think that DelVal does much in the playoffs as two key injuries on the offensive line and an average running game will sink them.

I am blown away that next Saturday, if they win, they will break the all time MAC winning streak, at 26 in a row. They lost 9 defensive starters and 7 offensive starters from the 2017 championship team............and somehow, miraculously, it didn't hurt them in 2018, nor so far in 2019. Those coaches squeeze everything possible out of those players. Not the biggest. Not the strongest. Not the fastest (Stevenson and Widener are). But they play as a team and for each other.

Good luck to Wilkes the rest of the season. I hear that they are expecting huge things from the Men's Hoops team this year as well. Should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Inkblot on October 21, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
Does anyone know the MAC tiebreaking rules? What happens if Delaware Valley and Misericordia both go 8-0?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Saxon73 on October 21, 2019, 07:28:49 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on October 21, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
Does anyone know the MAC tiebreaking rules? What happens if Delaware Valley and Misericordia both go 8-0?

Amazing conundrum seeing as Misericordia plays neither Del Valley or Stevenson.  Lovin' how this might work out.   :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2019, 11:45:37 AM
Quote from: Saxon73 on October 21, 2019, 07:28:49 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on October 21, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
Does anyone know the MAC tiebreaking rules? What happens if Delaware Valley and Misericordia both go 8-0?

Amazing conundrum seeing as Misericordia plays neither Del Valley or Stevenson.  Lovin' how this might work out.   :)

I'm not quite sure.......................but the genuises at the MAC should have never had any team not play both DelVal and Stevenson in the same two seasons. It would be like the Tampa Rays not having to play the Yankees or Red Sox. Last year, it sorted itself out when Misericordia spit the bit and lost it's last game of the season. This year, Misericordia has beaten any decent team (not named DelVal or Stevenson) in the MAC and only have the lesser lights remaining. I'm hoping that Gordon Mann sees this post and can help us out.....................as this board has become dead over the past season or two.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 22, 2019, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2019, 11:45:37 AM
Quote from: Saxon73 on October 21, 2019, 07:28:49 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on October 21, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
Does anyone know the MAC tiebreaking rules? What happens if Delaware Valley and Misericordia both go 8-0?

Amazing conundrum seeing as Misericordia plays neither Del Valley or Stevenson.  Lovin' how this might work out.   :)

I'm not quite sure.......................but the genuises at the MAC should have never had any team not play both DelVal and Stevenson in the same two seasons. It would be like the Tampa Rays not having to play the Yankees or Red Sox. Last year, it sorted itself out when Misericordia spit the bit and lost it's last game of the season. This year, Misericordia has beaten any decent team (not named DelVal or Stevenson) in the MAC and only have the lesser lights remaining. I'm hoping that Gordon Mann sees this post and can help us out.....................as this board has become dead over the past season or two.

This not only has MAC implications, but both East Regional and National Implications. If Misericordia wins the Pool A, thus throwing Del Val into Pool C, that would slot them behind Wesley and Ithaca/Union loser. Del Val could be left out if Union beats Ithaca, resulting in them being slotted behind both Ithaca and Wesley.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 22, 2019, 11:59:46 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on October 22, 2019, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2019, 11:45:37 AM
Quote from: Saxon73 on October 21, 2019, 07:28:49 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on October 21, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
Does anyone know the MAC tiebreaking rules? What happens if Delaware Valley and Misericordia both go 8-0?

Amazing conundrum seeing as Misericordia plays neither Del Valley or Stevenson.  Lovin' how this might work out.   :)

I'm not quite sure.......................but the genuises at the MAC should have never had any team not play both DelVal and Stevenson in the same two seasons. It would be like the Tampa Rays not having to play the Yankees or Red Sox. Last year, it sorted itself out when Misericordia spit the bit and lost it's last game of the season. This year, Misericordia has beaten any decent team (not named DelVal or Stevenson) in the MAC and only have the lesser lights remaining. I'm hoping that Gordon Mann sees this post and can help us out.....................as this board has become dead over the past season or two.

This not only has MAC implications, but both East Regional and National Implications. If Misericordia wins the Pool A, thus throwing Del Val into Pool C, that would slot them behind Wesley and Ithaca/Union loser. Del Val could be left out if Union beats Ithaca, resulting in them being slotted behind both Ithaca and Wesley.

Just check the fact book (Section III) https://gomacsports.com/sports/2008/8/19/Fact%20Book.aspx:

The conference champion is determined by the best record in the eight conference
games and is awarded the AQ. In case of a tie, the tied teams are co-champions and
the MAC tie-breaking criteria apply (Executive Regulations, Article V, Part D, page
6).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Inkblot on October 22, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on October 22, 2019, 11:59:46 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on October 22, 2019, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2019, 11:45:37 AM
Quote from: Saxon73 on October 21, 2019, 07:28:49 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on October 21, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
Does anyone know the MAC tiebreaking rules? What happens if Delaware Valley and Misericordia both go 8-0?

Amazing conundrum seeing as Misericordia plays neither Del Valley or Stevenson.  Lovin' how this might work out.   :)

I'm not quite sure.......................but the genuises at the MAC should have never had any team not play both DelVal and Stevenson in the same two seasons. It would be like the Tampa Rays not having to play the Yankees or Red Sox. Last year, it sorted itself out when Misericordia spit the bit and lost it's last game of the season. This year, Misericordia has beaten any decent team (not named DelVal or Stevenson) in the MAC and only have the lesser lights remaining. I'm hoping that Gordon Mann sees this post and can help us out.....................as this board has become dead over the past season or two.

This not only has MAC implications, but both East Regional and National Implications. If Misericordia wins the Pool A, thus throwing Del Val into Pool C, that would slot them behind Wesley and Ithaca/Union loser. Del Val could be left out if Union beats Ithaca, resulting in them being slotted behind both Ithaca and Wesley.

Just check the fact book (Section III) https://gomacsports.com/sports/2008/8/19/Fact%20Book.aspx:

The conference champion is determined by the best record in the eight conference
games and is awarded the AQ. In case of a tie, the tied teams are co-champions and
the MAC tie-breaking criteria apply (Executive Regulations, Article V, Part D, page
6).

Thanks for finding this. It looks like (per https://static.gomacsports.com/custompages/FactBooks/FB%20Tie-Breaking%20Procedure.pdf) Delaware Valley would have the tiebreaker based on Stevenson almost certainly having a better conference record than FDU Florham.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on October 23, 2019, 06:34:39 AM
Put another way, if StevensonFball wins once & @FDUDevils loses once, DelVal wins potential tie.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 23, 2019, 07:53:33 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on October 23, 2019, 06:34:39 AM
Put another way, if StevensonFball wins once & @FDUDevils loses once, DelVal wins potential tie.

.......................as it should be. Anybody who has seen the two teams (and the scores against common MAC opponents) on the field realizes that DelVal would beat them handily. A coach (not head coach) who has played both teams (and has ties to DelVal from his playing days.........enough of a hint) said that the Aggies would "blow their doors off". It will be nice next year when Miser has to play BOTH Stevenson and DelVal. These faux co-champions would not be in the position they were last year and are this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 24, 2019, 12:26:31 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2019, 09:41:39 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 20, 2019, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 19, 2019, 05:51:16 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 02, 2019, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on September 30, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: tweisman5 on September 28, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
A big concern for my Mustangs has been the 20 sacks allowed through three games. I can pinpoint a portion of the issue to the new QB sometimes holding the ball too long, but I suspect as the season progresses and he settles into the offense that number will improve.

I see Del Val's biggest issue being their DBs struggling to hold their own against good passing teams. If they get knocked off, it will be due to struggles against a pass heavy team. As of today I only see them losing one game sometime during a tough October stretch or Widener in November.

Wilkes is a team I'm watching to make some noise in the MAC race heading into November. I look forward to following their progress as I'm impressed with the progression they've made since the start of last season.

I had them on my ERFP ballot last week, but removed them as their win against Lycoming doesn't look all to great after Lycoming's loss to King's. Nevertheless, I can see them get to 5-0 with a big matchup mid October against Delaware Valley. Not sure how they will fair after that matchup as their schedule is back loaded.

I'm also looking into this Widener vs. Stevenson game as well. Widener loss to Lycoming looks like one of those  ??? type games and Stevenson's losses look better and better as both Delaware Valley and Bridgewater continue to win.

Great to see the Colonels getting some good recognition for a strong start. I've only seen one game in person (at Lycoming), but I am planning to be at the homecoming game vs. Alvernia this weekend.

I think one of the keys to the team playing better this season is improved line play on both sides of the ball, particularly on offense with the running game. It adds a dimension of balance that has also helps fine-tune the passing game.

Still a long way to go, but the Colonels get both Del Val and Stevenson at home, and play one one more game (at Albright) outside of the Wyoming Valley for the rest of the regular season. The team has grown and improved; I am eager to see how they stack up against some of the traditional powers coming up.

I did NOT expect THAT game from Wilkes, at home nonetheless. Four first downs for the entire game. Under 100 total yards of offense (when backing out the meaningless end of game yardage). If DelVal hadn't shot themselves in the foot on three or four possessions, they could have put up 70.

Drach is quite pissed as a few of the players provided DelVal with some prime bulletin board material leading up to this game. I'd say that the extra motivation wasn't necessary........but you could see it in some of the hits. Tabora played like an inexperienced freshman vs. a four year starter at QB. He was shockingly bad. Even the Wilkes fans around us had never seen him play this poorly. He looked tentative and was in self protection mode way too early in the game. They literally had no running game whatsoever.

G-ManWU, you've got to tell me what you hear from your inside sources as this had to be a stunner to anybody involved with the program.

I wish I knew you would be in the house jmcozenlaw; I would have looked for you!!! I was not hard to spot; you just needed to look for the guy sitting near the press box door rocking the 2005 Wilkes Football team pullover, with increasing amounts of gray showing in his hair  :-[

On the inside information, I have nothing to offer, as my time as an insider ended long ago. In terms of motivation, I would think the close call at home against King's would have served as much more of a factor for DVU than any trash talking done by players in the run up to the contest.

As for the game itself, I think pretty much every player on the Aggies roster was 2-3 times quicker than any player the Colonels have seen so far this season. They say speed kills; I think that was the biggest factor on both sides of the ball. The entire team was just...really fast.

Still lots for the Colonels to play for this season; to see the team secure a winning record and (hopefully) a postseason berth would be another great step forward. Not to mention the chance to go up against the two other local programs that have bedeviled Wilkes in recent years.

Last but not least, I admired the spirit of the DVU cheering section in the middle of the bleachers, but I would think that chanting "the best defense in the whole country" would get a bit tiring after four quarters. I admired the team spirit, but some of it was a bit...excessive, if I may say so  ::)

GMan - I wish that we could have met in person. My bad! The DelVal fans do travel nicely, I'd say better than any of the other MAC schools. I was leading our "Whose House? Our House" chant as we tend to do at opposing stadiums. I agree with the speed thing BUT I've seen Tabora tear apart better Aggies defenses (particularly the quarterfinal team from 2017)..................he honestly looked like a shell of his former self. The Wilkes folks told me that he was 100% healthy.

I want to see the Aggies defense when they are 100% healthy (missing three impact starters), including #7's twin brother, another terror at the defensive end position. They have missed him since he injured his shoulder early in the season.

Wilkes has much to be proud of given the record to date. I do think they are light years behind the Stevenson's and DelVal's of the MAC though. It is funny to see the look on the other teams faces in the postgame huddle. DelVal does 50 pushup's as a team after the game........the opponents look over as if to say, "Jesus, aren't they spent yet?".

I still don't think that DelVal does much in the playoffs as two key injuries on the offensive line and an average running game will sink them.

I am blown away that next Saturday, if they win, they will break the all time MAC winning streak, at 26 in a row. They lost 9 defensive starters and 7 offensive starters from the 2017 championship team............and somehow, miraculously, it didn't hurt them in 2018, nor so far in 2019. Those coaches squeeze everything possible out of those players. Not the biggest. Not the strongest. Not the fastest (Stevenson and Widener are). But they play as a team and for each other.

Good luck to Wilkes the rest of the season. I hear that they are expecting huge things from the Men's Hoops team this year as well. Should be fun to watch.

Thanks for the feedback; if you were the dude with the green sleeveless t-shirt, I absolutely noticed you leading the chant. As much as it was to my chagrin under the circumstances, it was the right chant to maximize on that day.

I still have no answers as to how the Colonels played the way they did; it was my first time seeing them play the Aggies since the win in 2015. I suppose the Del Val gameplan was just that effective, not unlike the King's game last year.

If Del Val breaks the conference win record, it will be well-deserved. Plenty of talent on that roster dude, event with the injuries and graduation. It's incredible that they have been consistently good since my freshman year in 2004.

I appreciate the heads-up on the basketball team; I also worked for that program in my student days, but have not attended as many games in recent years due to my work schedule. Hoping to make it to more this season.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on October 26, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

FDU @ Lycoming (-3.5): Lycoming wins by 7

Leb Val @ Del Val (-26.5): Del Val wins by 27

Widener (-9.5) @ Albright: Widener wins by 3

Wilkes @ Misericordia (-2.5): Misericordia wins by 3

King's @ Stevenson (-20.5): Stevenson wins by 24

Week 8 Rankings
1. Del Val (6-1, 5-0)
2. Stevenson (4-2, 3-1)
3. Misericordia (4-1, 4-0)
4. Wilkes (5-1, 3-1)
5. King's (4-2, 2-2)
6. Leb Val (3-3, 3-1) 
7. Widener (3-4, 2-3) 
8. Lycoming (1-5, 0-4)
9. FDU (2-5, 1-4) 
10. Alvernia (2-5, 1-4)
11. Albright (0-6, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 28-15 (.651)
Career: 121-51 (.703)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 27, 2019, 07:22:49 PM
Again, after annihilating their last two opponents, why did you drop Del Val down a notch?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 27, 2019, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 26, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

FDU @ Lycoming (-3.5): Lycoming wins by 7

Leb Val @ Del Val (-26.5): Del Val wins by 27

Widener (-9.5) @ Albright: Widener wins by 3

Wilkes @ Misericordia (-2.5): Misericordia wins by 3

King's @ Stevenson (-20.5): Stevenson wins by 24

Week 8 Rankings
1. Del Val (6-1, 5-0)
2. Stevenson (4-2, 3-1)
3. Misericordia (4-1, 4-0)
4. Wilkes (5-1, 3-1)
5. King's (4-2, 2-2)
6. Leb Val (3-3, 3-1) 
7. Widener (3-4, 2-3) 
8. Lycoming (1-5, 0-4)
9. FDU (2-5, 1-4) 
10. Alvernia (2-5, 1-4)
11. Albright (0-6, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 28-15 (.651)
Career: 121-51 (.703)

Althought Wilkes is won the head to head against Misericordia, you have them ranked higher. Sometimes the statistical formula does not always hold true. I think there should be some adjustment.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 27, 2019, 09:27:17 PM
Looks like the Colonels provided some clarity to the potential tiebreaker scenarios this weekend  ;)

Hats off to Wilkes for handing tough for four quarters plus, yet again this season! I was not in attendance for the game, but it was great to see a strong bounce back after such a bad loss last week. Saturday's win secures a winning record for the season, which is quite a step forward from an 0-10 season two years ago.

The rest of the schedule is demanding, but I am excited to see what this squad can do down the stretch, including the possibility of earning a postseason berth.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2019, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: kate on October 27, 2019, 07:22:49 PM
Again, after annihilating their last two opponents, why did you drop Del Val down a notch?

Hi there -- just like the last time you asked, I'm going to remind you to look at where Wesley is and perhaps investigate why Wesley might have moved down.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 28, 2019, 09:33:18 AM
Good morning Pat - yes, i see that Wesley just got by Montclair State.   I think i'm just a little t'd off cause Del Val gets no newspaper coverage in our area, except for a line score every week, and our local tv station, Channel 69, no longer covers Del Val unless they play Albright or Alvernia.    We're here in Easton and as far as i know, the only newspaper covering the Aggies is the Doylestown Intelligencer.   I just like to see them get credit, but your poll is fair.   Hope they can win out and get two or three games into the play-offs, but i do have to stop looking ahead here!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ice Bear on October 28, 2019, 12:18:21 PM
Quote from: kate on October 28, 2019, 09:33:18 AM
Good morning Pat - yes, i see that Wesley just got by Montclair State.   I think i'm just a little t'd off cause Del Val gets no newspaper coverage in our area, except for a line score every week, and our local tv station, Channel 69, no longer covers Del Val unless they play Albright or Alvernia.    We're here in Easton and as far as i know, the only newspaper covering the Aggies is the Doylestown Intelligencer.   I just like to see them get credit, but your poll is fair.   Hope they can win out and get two or three games into the play-offs, but i do have to stop looking ahead here!

IB says Del Val is certainly rolling and as always it's great to see. IIBHO the Aggies lost a lot from last year so Ice has been and still is not all that high on them in his ERFP.

Ice says aside from a week #1 hiccup against what is not turning out to be a traditional Wesley team the Aggies have done everything they have needed to. While the MAC strength compared to the three other top ER conferences (E8, LL, and NJAC) may be down, if the Aggies just keep going about there business kicking ass right into the playoffs they will certainly earn the respect they deserve in the poll (again, IIBHO).

Ice Bear believes Del Val is just a top notch program where even during a year they were/are thought to be suspect, aside from one small mistake, they are just rolling on all cylinders as usual. The Aggies are a very impressive program every year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Oline89 on October 28, 2019, 12:41:23 PM
Quote from: kate on October 28, 2019, 09:33:18 AM
Good morning Pat - yes, i see that Wesley just got by Montclair State.   I think i'm just a little t'd off cause Del Val gets no newspaper coverage in our area, except for a line score every week, and our local tv station, Channel 69, no longer covers Del Val unless they play Albright or Alvernia.    We're here in Easton and as far as i know, the only newspaper covering the Aggies is the Doylestown Intelligencer.   I just like to see them get credit, but your poll is fair.   Hope they can win out and get two or three games into the play-offs, but i do have to stop looking ahead here!

There was this article if you missed it

https://www.mcall.com/sports/college/mc-spt-del-val-football-record-20191017-ds7qtdbhsrhn3ah7j6vkymnmmi-story.html
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 28, 2019, 03:14:33 PM
Thanks Oline!   The Morning Call at one time covered Del Val very well, but as the years went by, less and less.   I called and they said they had lost their Quakertown office and they didn't have the finances at that time to keep it open.   Great that they covered this, and thank you again!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Oline89 on October 28, 2019, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: kate on October 28, 2019, 03:14:33 PM
Thanks Oline!   The Morning Call at one time covered Del Val very well, but as the years went by, less and less.   I called and they said they had lost their Quakertown office and they didn't have the finances at that time to keep it open.   Great that they covered this, and thank you again!

I saw that article a few weeks ago, I wish that the Morning Call followed the Lehigh Valley  D3 players better!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 02, 2019, 11:19:41 AM
Below are my week 9 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 9 Predictions

Del Val (-40.5) @ Alvernia: Del Val wins by 42

Misericordia (-3.5) @ Lycoming: Misericordia wins by 7

Albright @ King's (-8.5): King's wins by 10

FDU @ Wilkes (-9.5): Wilkes wins by 14

Stevenson (-24.5) @ Leb Val: Stevenson wins by 24

Week 9 Rankings
1. Del Val (7-1, 6-0)
2. Stevenson (5-2, 4-1)
3. Misericordia (4-2, 4-1)
4. Wilkes (6-1, 4-1)
5. King's (4-3, 2-3)
6. Leb Val (3-4, 3-2) 
7. Widener (4-4, 3-3) 
8. Lycoming (2-5, 1-4)
9. Alvernia (2-5, 1-4) 
10. FDU (2-6, 1-5)
11. Albright (0-7, 0-5)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 32-16 (.667)
Career: 125-52 (.706)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 02, 2019, 11:28:39 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on October 27, 2019, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 26, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

FDU @ Lycoming (-3.5): Lycoming wins by 7

Leb Val @ Del Val (-26.5): Del Val wins by 27

Widener (-9.5) @ Albright: Widener wins by 3

Wilkes @ Misericordia (-2.5): Misericordia wins by 3

King's @ Stevenson (-20.5): Stevenson wins by 24

Week 8 Rankings
1. Del Val (6-1, 5-0)
2. Stevenson (4-2, 3-1)
3. Misericordia (4-1, 4-0)
4. Wilkes (5-1, 3-1)
5. King's (4-2, 2-2)
6. Leb Val (3-3, 3-1) 
7. Widener (3-4, 2-3) 
8. Lycoming (1-5, 0-4)
9. FDU (2-5, 1-4) 
10. Alvernia (2-5, 1-4)
11. Albright (0-6, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 28-15 (.651)
Career: 121-51 (.703)

Althought Wilkes is won the head to head against Misericordia, you have them ranked higher. Sometimes the statistical formula does not always hold true. I think there should be some adjustment.

These rankings were posted before the Wilkes at Misericordia game. The win for Wilkes was good, but I'm not sure yet if it really answered who is the better team between the two. The game went into OT and if they played a series of 5 games, who knows what the results would be. I'm still holding weight to the past five weeks for both teams and I still give Misericordia the upper hand by the slightest of margins. This upcoming week should provide more clarity.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 03, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
Watched the Del Val/Alvernia game yesterday on the net.   Alvernia played an amazing first half, giving up just 7 DVU points.   The second half was all Aggies, but could someone who was there, or who knows what happened, tell me why there didn't appear to be the customary handshake/hug between teams at the end of the game?   If it didn't occur, i hope that was just a one in a million case - the MAC is a great League and i never want to see anything to disparage it.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 03, 2019, 12:19:50 PM
Quote from: kate on November 03, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
Watched the Del Val/Alvernia game yesterday on the net.   Alvernia played an amazing first half, giving up just 7 DVU points.   The second half was all Aggies, but could someone who was there, or who knows what happened, tell me why there didn't appear to be the customary handshake/hug between teams at the end of the game?   If it didn't occur, i hope that was just a one in a million case - the MAC is a great League and i never want to see anything to disparage it.

Thanks for the insights Kate. The Golden Wolves had some real talent when I saw them play Wilkes last year at FirstEnergy Stadium, and the same was true in this season's game. I think they will be a regular player in the conference if they keep building this way.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 03, 2019, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 02, 2019, 11:28:39 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on October 27, 2019, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 26, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

FDU @ Lycoming (-3.5): Lycoming wins by 7

Leb Val @ Del Val (-26.5): Del Val wins by 27

Widener (-9.5) @ Albright: Widener wins by 3

Wilkes @ Misericordia (-2.5): Misericordia wins by 3

King's @ Stevenson (-20.5): Stevenson wins by 24

Week 8 Rankings
1. Del Val (6-1, 5-0)
2. Stevenson (4-2, 3-1)
3. Misericordia (4-1, 4-0)
4. Wilkes (5-1, 3-1)
5. King's (4-2, 2-2)
6. Leb Val (3-3, 3-1) 
7. Widener (3-4, 2-3) 
8. Lycoming (1-5, 0-4)
9. FDU (2-5, 1-4) 
10. Alvernia (2-5, 1-4)
11. Albright (0-6, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 28-15 (.651)
Career: 121-51 (.703)

Althought Wilkes is won the head to head against Misericordia, you have them ranked higher. Sometimes the statistical formula does not always hold true. I think there should be some adjustment.

These rankings were posted before the Wilkes at Misericordia game. The win for Wilkes was good, but I'm not sure yet if it really answered who is the better team between the two. The game went into OT and if they played a series of 5 games, who knows what the results would be. I'm still holding weight to the past five weeks for both teams and I still give Misericordia the upper hand by the slightest of margins. This upcoming week should provide more clarity.

Well, I hope this week's results provided the clarity in the rankings  8-)

The Colonels fought through a back-and-forth game yesterday against FDU-Florham and turned it up in the second half for a quality win. The Devils have some quality players (WR #11 was particularly impressive) and they play hard as always. I can see how when they are on their game, the passing game can give teams fits.

I look forward to this week's matchup pitting Wilkes against Stevenson. While the thought of facing a team bigger and Stronger than Del Val (according to jmcozenlaw) is not pretty, I think the Colonels have grown and matured as a team in the last few weeks. It has the potential to be a great matchup.

For some added perspective on the OT win over Misericordia, please check out the excellent postgame report by my former Times Leader colleague, Dave Rosengrant. It details how Wilkes backup QB Doug Weist stepped in unexpectedly and led the team to victory, just hours after seeing his good friend and high school teammate, Jaden Lieby, seriously injured in an on-field injury during a game at his alma mater, North Schuylkill.

https://www.timesleader.com/sports/760116/backup-quarterback-weist-leads-wilkes-to-ot-win-against-misericordia

As a follow-up, both North Schuylkill graduates on the Wilkes roster this Saturday (Weist, along with senor DL Dane Tarantelli) wore #6 as their jersey number in support of Jaden. A very kind and supportive gesture.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on November 03, 2019, 04:54:45 PM
Congrats to Delaware Valley for clinching.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 04, 2019, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: kate on November 03, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
Watched the Del Val/Alvernia game yesterday on the net.   Alvernia played an amazing first half, giving up just 7 DVU points.   The second half was all Aggies, but could someone who was there, or who knows what happened, tell me why there didn't appear to be the customary handshake/hug between teams at the end of the game?   If it didn't occur, i hope that was just a one in a million case - the MAC is a great League and i never want to see anything to disparage it.

Kate, I was there and can tell you exactly what happened. Alvernia was upset that they were getting their you-know-what's handed to them and it reached a boiling point when one of their players, on the final punt of the game, reached behind an Aggie player, swiped his gloves off of #5, ran to the sideline and just chucked them. #5 went looking for them and was confronted by about 15 players. DelVal lined up expecting to do the typical postgame handshake and I was told after the game that their head coach gathered the team before the final kneel down series by DelVal and told them that they would not be shaking hands. I have a buddy who's kid plays for Alvernia and he said that the coach was pissed at the player who swiped the gloves. Several players wanted to shake hands (a lot of these kids knew each other from the area) but the coach said that there would be "hell to pay", for any player OR coach who shook the Aggies hands.

I've also heard that the head coach is doing a terrible job building a "culture" and that he is looking at this job solely as a springboard to the next, better job.

I heard that Coach Greko and the other Aggies coaches were livid at the Alvernia head coach and his postgame behavior.

He should have taken his azz kicking like a man!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 04, 2019, 08:53:00 AM
Thanks, jm!!!    Since this is indeed D3 football (and absolutely nothing negative about d3 sports!!!), i would hope this coach learns from this, and possibly publicly apologizes to the Aggie Team & Coaches.   My husband and i have followed the MAC for nearly 25 years now, and i'd hate to see this type of behavior continue, ESPECIALLY by a Coach!   Coaches on all levels of sports most definitely set the atmosphere for their teams.   Go Aggies and Go Golden Wolves - you're all above this type of ridiculous behavior!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2019, 12:29:56 PM
The regional rankings are here: https://d3football.com/playoffs/2019/first-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 09, 2019, 08:18:26 AM
Below are my week 10 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 10 Predictions

Alvernia @ FDU (-5.5): FDU wins by 3

Stevenson (-22.5) @ Wilkes: Stevenson wins by 21

Lycoming (-3.5) @ Leb Val: Lycoming wins by 7

Albright @ Misericordia (-10.5): Misericordia wins by 7

King's @ Widener (-3.5): Widener wins by 3

Week 10 Rankings
1. Del Val (8-1, 7-0)
2. Stevenson (6-2, 5-1)
3. Wilkes (7-1, 5-1)
4. Misericordia (4-3, 4-2)
5. King's (5-3, 3-3)
6. Leb Val (3-5, 3-3) 
7. Widener (4-4, 3-3) 
8. Lycoming (3-5, 2-4)
9. Alvernia (2-6, 1-5) 
10. FDU (2-7, 1-6)
11. Albright (0-8, 0-6)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 36-17 (.679)
Career: 129-53 (.709)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 09, 2019, 08:26:42 AM
Quote from: G-manWU on November 03, 2019, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on November 02, 2019, 11:28:39 AM
Quote from: MANDGSU on October 27, 2019, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: tweisman5 on October 26, 2019, 11:45:50 AM
Below are my week 8 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 8 Predictions

FDU @ Lycoming (-3.5): Lycoming wins by 7

Leb Val @ Del Val (-26.5): Del Val wins by 27

Widener (-9.5) @ Albright: Widener wins by 3

Wilkes @ Misericordia (-2.5): Misericordia wins by 3

King's @ Stevenson (-20.5): Stevenson wins by 24

Week 8 Rankings
1. Del Val (6-1, 5-0)
2. Stevenson (4-2, 3-1)
3. Misericordia (4-1, 4-0)
4. Wilkes (5-1, 3-1)
5. King's (4-2, 2-2)
6. Leb Val (3-3, 3-1) 
7. Widener (3-4, 2-3) 
8. Lycoming (1-5, 0-4)
9. FDU (2-5, 1-4) 
10. Alvernia (2-5, 1-4)
11. Albright (0-6, 0-4)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 28-15 (.651)
Career: 121-51 (.703)

Althought Wilkes is won the head to head against Misericordia, you have them ranked higher. Sometimes the statistical formula does not always hold true. I think there should be some adjustment.

These rankings were posted before the Wilkes at Misericordia game. The win for Wilkes was good, but I'm not sure yet if it really answered who is the better team between the two. The game went into OT and if they played a series of 5 games, who knows what the results would be. I'm still holding weight to the past five weeks for both teams and I still give Misericordia the upper hand by the slightest of margins. This upcoming week should provide more clarity.

Well, I hope this week's results provided the clarity in the rankings  8-)

The Colonels fought through a back-and-forth game yesterday against FDU-Florham and turned it up in the second half for a quality win. The Devils have some quality players (WR #11 was particularly impressive) and they play hard as always. I can see how when they are on their game, the passing game can give teams fits.

I look forward to this week's matchup pitting Wilkes against Stevenson. While the thought of facing a team bigger and Stronger than Del Val (according to jmcozenlaw) is not pretty, I think the Colonels have grown and matured as a team in the last few weeks. It has the potential to be a great matchup.

For some added perspective on the OT win over Misericordia, please check out the excellent postgame report by my former Times Leader colleague, Dave Rosengrant. It details how Wilkes backup QB Doug Weist stepped in unexpectedly and led the team to victory, just hours after seeing his good friend and high school teammate, Jaden Lieby, seriously injured in an on-field injury during a game at his alma mater, North Schuylkill.

https://www.timesleader.com/sports/760116/backup-quarterback-weist-leads-wilkes-to-ot-win-against-misericordia

As a follow-up, both North Schuylkill graduates on the Wilkes roster this Saturday (Weist, along with senor DL Dane Tarantelli) wore #6 as their jersey number in support of Jaden. A very kind and supportive gesture.

Last week's games provided the clarity needed to validate the OT matchup.

The story of Wilkes' backup QB is exactly why sports are such an amazing story to follow. The perseverance to overcome such unfortunate news hours before and go out and prevail in a tough game is truly remarkable for both the player and his teammates. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 09, 2019, 08:37:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2019, 12:29:56 PM
The regional rankings are here: https://d3football.com/playoffs/2019/first-regional-ranking

These initial rankings contained some surprises, especially with Wilkes being placed #10 in the East. I thought the initial rankings would have waited until after this week's Stevenson at Wilkes matchup before seeing a second MAC team regionally ranked. Regardless, the most newsworthy takeaway is just the solid foundation the Centennial Conference has built to become a two team bid NCAA playoff contender on an annual basis. I believe having the MAC vs. Centennial bowl series is a great opportunity for any MAC member to test their team against the strength of a deep Centennial group.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 09, 2019, 06:10:13 PM
would love to see a box score from the FDU/Alvernia game. Too early for d3 basketball scores.  :D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on November 09, 2019, 06:17:14 PM
https://fdudevils.com/sports/football/stats/2019/alvernia-university-senior-day-and-military-appreciation-day-/boxscore/4799
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 09, 2019, 06:33:20 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 09, 2019, 06:17:14 PM
https://fdudevils.com/sports/football/stats/2019/alvernia-university-senior-day-and-military-appreciation-day-/boxscore/4799

1258 yards of total offense  :o
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 16, 2019, 11:25:30 AM
Below are my week 11 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 11 Predictions

Wilkes @ King's (-0.5): King's wins by 3

Widener @ #22 Del Val (-23.5): Del Val wins by 24

Lycoming @ Stevenson (-23.5): Stevenson wins by 21

Misericordia (-15.5) @ Alvernia: Misericordia wins by 14

Leb Val (-2.5) @ Albright: Albright wins by 7

Week 11 Rankings
1. Del Val (8-1, 7-0)
2. Stevenson (7-2, 6-1)
3. Wilkes (7-2, 5-2)
4. Widener (5-4, 4-3)
5. King's (5-4, 3-4)
6. Lycoming (4-5, 3-4) 
7. Misericordia (4-4, 4-3)
8. Leb Val (3-6, 3-4)
9. FDU (3-7, 2-6) 
10. Alvernia (2-7, 1-6)
11. Albright (1-8, 1-6)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 40-18 (.690)
Career: 133-54 (.711)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 16, 2019, 08:34:40 PM
This board was dead this year. Simba, Bman, FDUJohn, etc., etc., etc. I wanted to see what happened when I backed away and other than twesiman, nadda. It might be time to bid adieu and head over to the hoops action. All the best my friends and God Bless.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 17, 2019, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 16, 2019, 08:34:40 PM
This board was dead this year. Simba, Bman, FDUJohn, etc., etc., etc. I wanted to see what happened when I backed away and other than twesiman, nadda. It might be time to bid adieu and head over to the hoops action. All the best my friends and God Bless.

I wish I could have contributed more, but I just changed jobs a few weeks ago. A good move, but it was stressful to say the least. I had hoped to make it to 7 or 8 games for the Colonels, but only wound up attending 5. Hoping to see more action on here next season!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 17, 2019, 07:18:30 PM
In the short (compared to other D3 rivalries) history of the Mayor's Cup, few endings were as thrilling as yesterday's 24-14 win by the Colonels over King's.

A bit cold, but it was a great day for football as both teams made their share of big plays. Tabora came through and led the team forward (his second TD, just before halftime, reminded me of Matt Pizzaro's clutch TD catch in the same spot back in 2006), sharking off the cobwebs from the Monarch's near-total domination in the 2018 matchup.

The INT return by Cole Jesmer was a clutch play for the ages, a great case of a player stepping up to be a leader with the game on the line. It's a fantastic feeling to see the Cup returning to Ralston Field for the first time since 2015.

All credit to the Monarchs as well; Jordan Downes played a fantastic game, and is one of the underrated players in the league. No doubt King's will be back again as a steady and potent force in the MAC.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 17, 2019, 07:21:01 PM
One last note: Matchups for the Centennial- MAC Bowl Series are now out.

http://www.centennial.org/sports/fball/2019-20/releases/cc_mac_bowl

I'm thrilled to see Wilkes making the trip to Susquehanna, my favorite road venue when the then-Crusaders were in the MAC. Gonna be a tough matchup, but I'm excited to see what the Colonels can do against a very good opponent.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 18, 2019, 08:58:05 AM
Best of Luck to ALL our MAC Teams playing on the 23rd, Wilkes, Stevenson and Misericordia!   Of course, Best of Luck too, to our Aggies playing down in Bridgewater, Virginia at Bridgewater College!   Kind of disappointed that it's not a home game, but hey, as a poster so rightly said, it's just the frosting on the cake - we did take the MAC!   Congratulations to all of the MAC's four great teams - play hard on Saturday - safe trips to ALL!   GO AGGIES!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 23, 2019, 03:37:10 AM
Below are my week 12 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 12 Predictions

#23 Del Val @ #10 Bridgewater (-13.5): Bridgewater wins by 7

Wilkes @ #11 Susquehanna (-30.5): Susquehanna wins by 35

Franklin & Marshall (-23.5) @ Misericordia: Franklin & Marshall wins by 24

#17 John Hopkins (-2.5) @ Stevenson: Stevenson wins by 3

Week 12 Rankings
1. Del Val (9-1, 8-0)
2. Stevenson (8-2, 7-1)
3. Wilkes (8-2, 6-2)
4. Widener (5-5, 4-4)
5. King's (5-5, 3-5)
6. Lycoming (4-6, 3-5)   
7. Misericordia (5-4, 5-3)
8. Leb Val (3-7, 3-5)
9. FDU (3-7, 2-6) 
10. Albright (2-8, 2-6)
11. Alvernia (2-8, 1-7)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 4-1 (.800)
Season: 44-19 (.698)
Career: 137-55 (.714)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 25, 2019, 11:39:33 PM
I still lurk here...

But have to mention I'm surprised FDU fired Surace as HC.  The program is definitely at another crossroads...No one has EVER been able to win consistently there. I blame much of this on the upper administration's indifference towards athletics (the old approach was - as long as the recruits keep coming, all is good). in the last 3 years, almost the ENTIRE athletic department has turned over. Now football... I wonder if the new coach will be given any breaks with admissions, more money to spend, etc...or does the current university president expect something different to happen just by inserting a new coach???

Best wishes to Brian going forward!!! I think he's going to land on his feet somewhere soon!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 26, 2019, 12:35:16 AM
Quote from: kate on November 18, 2019, 08:58:05 AM
Best of Luck to ALL our MAC Teams playing on the 23rd, Wilkes, Stevenson and Misericordia!   Of course, Best of Luck too, to our Aggies playing down in Bridgewater, Virginia at Bridgewater College!   Kind of disappointed that it's not a home game, but hey, as a poster so rightly said, it's just the frosting on the cake - we did take the MAC!   Congratulations to all of the MAC's four great teams - play hard on Saturday - safe trips to ALL!   GO AGGIES!!!

Thanks for the good wishes Kate, and congrats to the Aggies on a fantastic win. It gets harder every round, but no doubt they can continue to make noise in the tournament.

I made the drive to Selinsgrove on Saturday and while the score may not reflect it, the Colonels never quit when going up against a phenomenally-talented Susquehanna team. It's easy to see how the River Hawks posted a 9-1 record this season; I know there are only so many at-large berths, but that squad is tournament-caliber beyond a doubt in my book.

Even with a rough ending, and with two tough defeats against the top MAC finishers, I am immensely proud of the season put together by the Colonels this year. When you take a team that finished 0-10 two seasons ago and rack up eight wins, it marks a major turnaround. Still lots of room for improvement, but I am optimistic about the direction that Coach Drach and Co. are moving forward in.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 26, 2019, 12:40:37 AM
Quote from: bill on November 25, 2019, 11:39:33 PM
I still lurk here...

But have to mention I'm surprised FDU fired Surace as HC.  The program is definitely at another crossroads...No one has EVER been able to win consistently there. I blame much of this on the upper administration's indifference towards athletics (the old approach was - as long as the recruits keep coming, all is good). in the last 3 years, almost the ENTIRE athletic department has turned over. Now football... I wonder if the new coach will be given any breaks with admissions, more money to spend, etc...or does the current university president expect something different to happen just by inserting a new coach???

Best wishes to Brian going forward!!! I think he's going to land on his feet somewhere soon!

I was wondering what happened there, Bill. Thanks for providing some info. All the best to Coach Surace; he arrived after my seasons working with the Colonels, but I always heard he was a quality coach and a good person.

In my years at Wilkes and since then, the Devils have often seemed to be on the cusp of being a true contender. I'd like to see them break through consistently one of these seasons; hopefully whomever is running the show moving forward can further develop the program and we'll see FDU as another contender in an MAC that features a Centennial-style depth of competitiveness.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on November 30, 2019, 11:48:05 AM
Below are my week 13 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 13 Predictions

#14 Del Val (-6.5) @ Wesley: Del Val wins by 3

Week 13 Rankings
1. Del Val (10-1, 8-0)
2. Stevenson (8-3, 7-1)
3. Wilkes (8-3, 6-2)
4. Widener (5-5, 4-4)
5. King's (5-5, 3-5)
6. Lycoming (4-6, 3-5)   
7. Misericordia (5-5, 5-3)
8. Leb Val (3-7, 3-5)
9. FDU (3-7, 2-6) 
10. Albright (2-8, 2-6)
11. Alvernia (2-8, 1-7)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 2-2 (.500)
Season: 46-21 (.687)
Career: 139-57 (.709)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 30, 2019, 02:49:56 PM
Huge Congratulations to the Delaware Valley University Aggies beating Wesley, on the road in Dover, 45 to 10!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 30, 2019, 03:04:56 PM
The Aggies bludgeon Wesley......................45 - 10!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on November 30, 2019, 03:51:05 PM
Congrats to the Aggies...they left no doubt today. Good luck against upset statisfied North Central....... maybe a letdown after beating Mount Union??????
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Stagg Again!! on November 30, 2019, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 30, 2019, 03:51:05 PM
Congrats to the Aggies...they left no doubt today. Good luck against upset statisfied North Central....... maybe a letdown after beating Mount Union??????
Congratulations to Del Valley... looking forward to the first ever meeting between NCC and DV next weekend.  I see that DV has the #3 ranked defense in the country behind Wheaton and Mount Union.  Can't wait to see if NCC's offense can handle that test. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Teamski on November 30, 2019, 03:57:34 PM
Congrats to the Aggies for a really impressive performance out there on the field today.  You had Wesley by the short and curlies for just about the entire game.  Little opportunity for Fry to connect with the receivers and the offense was just too much for the Wolverine defence.  Good luck next week against Noth Central.

-Ski
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2019, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: Stagg or Bust on November 30, 2019, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 30, 2019, 03:51:05 PM
Congrats to the Aggies...they left no doubt today. Good luck against upset statisfied North Central....... maybe a letdown after beating Mount Union??????
Congratulations to Del Valley... looking forward to the first ever meeting between NCC and DV next weekend.  I see that DV has the #3 ranked defense in the country behind Wheaton and Mount Union.  Can't wait to see if NCC's offense can handle that test.

Well, since they just racked up 59 against the #2 defense today, I don't think the #3 defense will intimidate them!

And I seriously doubt they are satisfied with today's upset, magical as it is.  I suspect they are aiming now for a possible second shot at Wheaton (which would be in the Stagg Bowl if it happens). ;D
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kiko on November 30, 2019, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 30, 2019, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: Stagg or Bust on November 30, 2019, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: Bartman on November 30, 2019, 03:51:05 PM
Congrats to the Aggies...they left no doubt today. Good luck against upset statisfied North Central....... maybe a letdown after beating Mount Union??????
Congratulations to Del Valley... looking forward to the first ever meeting between NCC and DV next weekend.  I see that DV has the #3 ranked defense in the country behind Wheaton and Mount Union.  Can't wait to see if NCC's offense can handle that test.

Well, since they just racked up 59 against the #2 defense today, I don't think the #3 defense will intimidate them!

And I seriously doubt they are satisfied with today's upset, magical as it is.  I suspect they are aiming now for a possible second shot at Wheaton (which would be in the Stagg Bowl if it happens). ;D

For those who have not moseyed over to the CCIW board, I should point out that Mr. Ypsi is an Illinois Wesleyan guy, not a North Central guy.  Don't hold his irrational exuberance against us. :)

Any time you get this deep into the playoffs, you're gonna face a great team, and I'm sure Del Valley will be no exception.  Looking forward to the leadup and the game!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on November 30, 2019, 05:23:46 PM
Game should be at DelVal. Curious to see if the NCAA does the right thing. Based on criteria, the Aggies should be the hosts.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: New Tradition on November 30, 2019, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on November 30, 2019, 05:23:46 PM
Game should be at DelVal. Curious to see if the NCAA does the right thing. Based on criteria, the Aggies should be the hosts.

Curious what criteria that is?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on December 01, 2019, 10:37:59 AM
To start, DVU is a 3 seed and NCC is a 4 in their respective regions. DVU is also a Pool A and NCC is a C. While I'll be the first to admit that NCC is the higher rated / better team from a rankings perspective, based on just those two data points, the Aggies should be the hosts.

Wally W would know more than I do I'll defer to him.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on December 01, 2019, 11:29:55 AM
And of course, the lower seeded team gets to host.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: New Tradition on December 01, 2019, 11:50:38 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on December 01, 2019, 10:37:59 AM
To start, DVU is a 3 seed and NCC is a 4 in their respective regions. DVU is also a Pool A and NCC is a C. While I'll be the first to admit that NCC is the higher rated / better team from a rankings perspective, based on just those two data points, the Aggies should be the hosts.

Wally W would know more than I do I'll defer to him.

Interesting with Del Val being a 3 that they were on the road since round 1 but NCC hosted round 1. That would make it appear as though NCC was a 4 seed in this quadrant while Del Val was a 5/6. Just speculating but maybe it has to do with the losses? NCCs only loss was to Wheaton, who is holding down the 1 seed in their bracket, while Del Val got beat by the team they just got some vengeance on, but not a 1. I also wonder if, because there are no seeds announced officially, this is re-evaluated after each playoff game, in which case Saturday's results speak for themselves. Lastly, I'm not sure what Del Val's facilities are like, but NCCs are first class. I haven't seen many better. While it's moot now, I would be interested to hear the official take on it from Pat and/or Wally just to satisfy my own curiosity.  If you make the trip, Naperville is a wonderful place to visit; feel free to hit up the CCIW board for recommendations on food (there are a ton). And if not, enjoy our broadcast!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on December 01, 2019, 12:26:04 PM
We got updated info. Don't really agree but it is what it is. Will discuss next show.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on December 01, 2019, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: New Tradition on December 01, 2019, 11:50:38 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on December 01, 2019, 10:37:59 AM
To start, DVU is a 3 seed and NCC is a 4 in their respective regions. DVU is also a Pool A and NCC is a C. While I'll be the first to admit that NCC is the higher rated / better team from a rankings perspective, based on just those two data points, the Aggies should be the hosts.

Wally W would know more than I do I'll defer to him.

Interesting with Del Val being a 3 that they were on the road since round 1 but NCC hosted round 1. That would make it appear as though NCC was a 4 seed in this quadrant while Del Val was a 5/6. Just speculating but maybe it has to do with the losses? NCCs only loss was to Wheaton, who is holding down the 1 seed in their bracket, while Del Val got beat by the team they just got some vengeance on, but not a 1. I also wonder if, because there are no seeds announced officially, this is re-evaluated after each playoff game, in which case Saturday's results speak for themselves. Lastly, I'm not sure what Del Val's facilities are like, but NCCs are first class. I haven't seen many better. While it's moot now, I would be interested to hear the official take on it from Pat and/or Wally just to satisfy my own curiosity.  If you make the trip, Naperville is a wonderful place to visit; feel free to hit up the CCIW board for recommendations on food (there are a ton). And if not, enjoy our broadcast!

I think we can run around in circles trying to figure out with any certainty which team had which seed- this is part of why the NCAA doesn't slap those numbers on the brackets.  Geography blows those traditional assignments up, and certainly did so in this quadrant. 

Per the rankings, North Central was #4 in their region, Del Val was #3 in theirs.  However, they aren't in the same region, so those ordinals aren't directly related.  Certainly, if Chapman, ranked #1 in the West region, had won yesterday they would have traveled to Wheaton, ranked #2 in the North, this weekend.  So those regional rankings, when they come from different regions, while generally a good guide, aren't a concrete lock for figuring out which team should host. 

Based on the selection and seeding criteria, I think Del Val should be hosting this game as they have a stronger SOS and both teams have a similarly underwhelming RRO win (WashU, Stevenson).  But the difference isn't so huge that I'm surprised that North Central was selected. 

I also don't know if they add to their data sets as the tournament goes on.  I hope not.  I think a team's placement and hosting privileges for the tournament should be based entirely on criteria collected in the regular season.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on December 01, 2019, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: New Tradition on December 01, 2019, 11:50:38 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on December 01, 2019, 10:37:59 AM
To start, DVU is a 3 seed and NCC is a 4 in their respective regions. DVU is also a Pool A and NCC is a C. While I'll be the first to admit that NCC is the higher rated / better team from a rankings perspective, based on just those two data points, the Aggies should be the hosts.

Wally W would know more than I do I'll defer to him.

Interesting with Del Val being a 3 that they were on the road since round 1 but NCC hosted round 1. That would make it appear as though NCC was a 4 seed in this quadrant while Del Val was a 5/6. Just speculating but maybe it has to do with the losses? NCCs only loss was to Wheaton, who is holding down the 1 seed in their bracket, while Del Val got beat by the team they just got some vengeance on, but not a 1. I also wonder if, because there are no seeds announced officially, this is re-evaluated after each playoff game, in which case Saturday's results speak for themselves. Lastly, I'm not sure what Del Val's facilities are like, but NCCs are first class. I haven't seen many better. While it's moot now, I would be interested to hear the official take on it from Pat and/or Wally just to satisfy my own curiosity.  If you make the trip, Naperville is a wonderful place to visit; feel free to hit up the CCIW board for recommendations on food (there are a ton). And if not, enjoy our broadcast!

I think we can run around in circles trying to figure out with any certainty which team had which seed- this is part of why the NCAA doesn't slap those numbers on the brackets.  Geography blows those traditional assignments up, and certainly did so in this quadrant. 

Per the rankings, North Central was #4 in their region, Del Val was #3 in theirs.  However, they aren't in the same region, so those ordinals aren't directly related.  Certainly, if Chapman, ranked #1 in the West region, had won yesterday they would have traveled to Wheaton, ranked #2 in the North, this weekend.  So those regional rankings, when they come from different regions, while generally a good guide, aren't a concrete lock for figuring out which team should host. 

Based on the selection and seeding criteria, I think Del Val should be hosting this game as they have a stronger SOS and both teams have a similarly underwhelming RRO win (WashU, Stevenson).  But the difference isn't so huge that I'm surprised that North Central was selected. 

I also don't know if they add to their data sets as the tournament goes on.  I hope not.  I think a team's placement and hosting privileges for the tournament should be based entirely on criteria collected in the regular season.

This is just more evidence that the NCAA's half-*ss selection and seeding process is total gobbledygook.  Who hosts who should be clear as crystal.  This is not rocket science.  They should other go with bracket integrity and rank the seeds 1-32 and pair accordingly (though I think they'd have no real basis to do so, given the limited inter-regional play), or go with the top 8 in each region, seeded appropriately, and let the regional winners fight in the semis.  I know the NCAA is cheap as hell, and would like to get to claim they support D3 without actually having to support it financially, but where they've landed has zero intellectual integrity and zero practical coherence..
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2019, 02:13:55 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on December 01, 2019, 11:29:55 AM
And of course, the lower seeded team gets to host.

You're confusing regional ranking with seeding. They're not the same -- although they are drawn using the same info, once you take the eight teams and put them into a bracket, *then* they are seeded, and North Central was a higher seed than Del Val.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2019, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 01:54:14 PM
Who hosts who should be clear as crystal. 

If you want clear as crystal, here you go:
North Central had a first-round home game.
Delaware Valley had a first-round road game.
That should be plenty of indication right there.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2019, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 01:54:14 PM
Who hosts who should be clear as crystal. 

If you want clear as crystal, here you go:
North Central had a first-round home game.
Delaware Valley had a first-round road game.
That should be plenty of indication right there.

Which is total nonsense.  Why did the E3 go on the road and the E4 had a home game?  Why did the N4 get a home game and the E3 did not (notwithstanding same record, RROn record, and a lower SOS)?  If it's so clear why doesn't the NCAA just publish the seeds?  (Because they'd look dumb, I assume is the answer.)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
The seeds definitely look dumb when you have 6 playing 8 in the first round. You think we get lots of stupid questions on Twitter now, imagine what would happen then?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2019, 02:34:50 PM
The seeds definitely look dumb when you have 6 playing 8 in the first round. You think we get lots of stupid questions on Twitter now, imagine what would happen then?

Oy. Which game was that?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2019, 02:42:14 PM
Huntingdon at Berry.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on December 01, 2019, 02:52:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2019, 02:13:55 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on December 01, 2019, 11:29:55 AM
And of course, the lower seeded team gets to host.

You're confusing regional ranking with seeding. They're not the same -- although they are drawn using the same info, once you take the eight teams and put them into a bracket, *then* they are seeded, and North Central was a higher seed than Del Val.

I get the seeding process and what you wrote above doesn't vibe with what Jim told me earlier today.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on December 01, 2019, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 01:54:14 PM
This is just more evidence that the NCAA's half-*ss selection and seeding process is total gobbledygook.  Who hosts who should be clear as crystal.  This is not rocket science.  They should other go with bracket integrity and rank the seeds 1-32 and pair accordingly (though I think they'd have no real basis to do so, given the limited inter-regional play), or go with the top 8 in each region, seeded appropriately, and let the regional winners fight in the semis.  I know the NCAA is cheap as hell, and would like to get to claim they support D3 without actually having to support it financially, but where they've landed has zero intellectual integrity and zero practical coherence..

Pretty unfair assessment really.  I think there are legitimate questions to ask of the North and East RACs, but I think the national committee put together about the best bracket they could given the constraints that they have.  The idea that we can slot teams 1-32 and pair them off 1v32 2v31, etc is unrealistic and we would all probably be better off going forward just skipping that because it's a fantasyland solution.

Not supporting D3 financially?  This tournament only exists because the NCAA supports it financially.  No, they don't do it with a blank check, but we get a five round tournament which, for the most part, runs really well and is a great experience for the S-As.   

Delaware Valley has to travel to Chicago this week.  I'm sure the Rams can be disappointed in this decision for about 45 seconds, then realize that they are one of eight teams still playing, absolutely have a legit chance to play for a national championship and get right up and over that disappointment.  If you gave every player and coach at DelVal a ticket to Naperville for a national quarterfinal game prior to Week 1, they'd all take it, no questions asked.  Every single one.  This is hardly a gross injustice. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on December 01, 2019, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 01:54:14 PM
This is just more evidence that the NCAA's half-*ss selection and seeding process is total gobbledygook.  Who hosts who should be clear as crystal.  This is not rocket science.  They should other go with bracket integrity and rank the seeds 1-32 and pair accordingly (though I think they'd have no real basis to do so, given the limited inter-regional play), or go with the top 8 in each region, seeded appropriately, and let the regional winners fight in the semis.  I know the NCAA is cheap as hell, and would like to get to claim they support D3 without actually having to support it financially, but where they've landed has zero intellectual integrity and zero practical coherence..

Pretty unfair assessment really.  I think there are legitimate questions to ask of the North and East RACs, but I think the national committee put together about the best bracket they could given the constraints that they have.  The idea that we can slot teams 1-32 and pair them off 1v32 2v31, etc is unrealistic and we would all probably be better off going forward just skipping that because it's a fantasyland solution.

Not supporting D3 financially?  This tournament only exists because the NCAA supports it financially.  No, they don't do it with a blank check, but we get a five round tournament which, for the most part, runs really well and is a great experience for the S-As.   

Delaware Valley has to travel to Chicago this week.  I'm sure the Rams can be disappointed in this decision for about 45 seconds, then realize that they are one of eight teams still playing, absolutely have a legit chance to play for a national championship and get right up and over that disappointment.  If you gave every player and coach at DelVal a ticket to Naperville for a national quarterfinal game prior to Week 1, they'd all take it, no questions asked.  Every single one.  This is hardly a gross injustice.

Listen, if you want to go the "y'all should just be happy you D3 guys get anything at all," sure, no injustice at all.  But the NCAA takes in $1B off the backs of student athletes and redistributes a measly 3% back to all D3 athletics in the aggregate.  If they really believe in promoting amateurism, then yeah, I don't think it's too much to ask for slightly larger travel budget and real bracket integrity.  Because if D3 football fans aren't fighting for that, certainly no one else is. (And to be clear, I have zero gripes with a selection committee that is just looking to do the best it can with serious constraints.)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2019, 04:43:38 PM
This is, unfortunately, what we agreed to in the constitution back in the 1970s. I don't see changing it, considering that you'd be asking the D-I schools to give away money with no benefit to them.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on December 01, 2019, 05:04:24 PM
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
Listen, if you want to go the "y'all should just be happy you D3 guys get anything at all," sure, no injustice at all.  But the NCAA takes in $1B off the backs of student athletes and redistributes a measly 3% back to all D3 athletics in the aggregate.  If they really believe in promoting amateurism, then yeah, I don't think it's too much to ask for slightly larger travel budget and real bracket integrity.  Because if D3 football fans aren't fighting for that, certainly no one else is. (And to be clear, I have zero gripes with a selection committee that is just looking to do the best it can with serious constraints.)

Yesterday, an all-time classic game between the teams ranked #1 and #5 in the division could not sell even 3,500 $10 tickets in no small part because folks in that part of the country would rather stay home and watch a D1 FBS game on TV.  So yeah, I think it's ok to be thankful that the NCAA subsidizes this tournament even to the extent that they do. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on December 01, 2019, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2019, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 01:54:14 PM
Who hosts who should be clear as crystal. 

If you want clear as crystal, here you go:
North Central had a first-round home game.
Delaware Valley had a first-round road game.
That should be plenty of indication right there.
Seems pretty clear.....this is why Pat gets paid the big bucks.....although Aggies should have had a first round home game IMO, but then at least they are still playing and I am quite jealous of Aggie fans for their survival to this point. Good luck in the Land of Lincoln next saturday
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 02, 2019, 09:07:06 AM
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on December 01, 2019, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: New Tradition on December 01, 2019, 11:50:38 AM
Quote from: ITH radio on December 01, 2019, 10:37:59 AM
To start, DVU is a 3 seed and NCC is a 4 in their respective regions. DVU is also a Pool A and NCC is a C. While I'll be the first to admit that NCC is the higher rated / better team from a rankings perspective, based on just those two data points, the Aggies should be the hosts.

Wally W would know more than I do I'll defer to him.

Interesting with Del Val being a 3 that they were on the road since round 1 but NCC hosted round 1. That would make it appear as though NCC was a 4 seed in this quadrant while Del Val was a 5/6. Just speculating but maybe it has to do with the losses? NCCs only loss was to Wheaton, who is holding down the 1 seed in their bracket, while Del Val got beat by the team they just got some vengeance on, but not a 1. I also wonder if, because there are no seeds announced officially, this is re-evaluated after each playoff game, in which case Saturday's results speak for themselves. Lastly, I'm not sure what Del Val's facilities are like, but NCCs are first class. I haven't seen many better. While it's moot now, I would be interested to hear the official take on it from Pat and/or Wally just to satisfy my own curiosity.  If you make the trip, Naperville is a wonderful place to visit; feel free to hit up the CCIW board for recommendations on food (there are a ton). And if not, enjoy our broadcast!

I think we can run around in circles trying to figure out with any certainty which team had which seed- this is part of why the NCAA doesn't slap those numbers on the brackets.  Geography blows those traditional assignments up, and certainly did so in this quadrant. 

Per the rankings, North Central was #4 in their region, Del Val was #3 in theirs.  However, they aren't in the same region, so those ordinals aren't directly related.  Certainly, if Chapman, ranked #1 in the West region, had won yesterday they would have traveled to Wheaton, ranked #2 in the North, this weekend.  So those regional rankings, when they come from different regions, while generally a good guide, aren't a concrete lock for figuring out which team should host. 

Based on the selection and seeding criteria, I think Del Val should be hosting this game as they have a stronger SOS and both teams have a similarly underwhelming RRO win (WashU, Stevenson).  But the difference isn't so huge that I'm surprised that North Central was selected. 

I also don't know if they add to their data sets as the tournament goes on.  I hope not.  I think a team's placement and hosting privileges for the tournament should be based entirely on criteria collected in the regular season.

This is just more evidence that the NCAA's half-*ss selection and seeding process is total gobbledygook.  Who hosts who should be clear as crystal.  This is not rocket science.  They should other go with bracket integrity and rank the seeds 1-32 and pair accordingly (though I think they'd have no real basis to do so, given the limited inter-regional play), or go with the top 8 in each region, seeded appropriately, and let the regional winners fight in the semis.  I know the NCAA is cheap as hell, and would like to get to claim they support D3 without actually having to support it financially, but where they've landed has zero intellectual integrity and zero practical coherence..

This post is so spot on.....................that I will just let it speak for itself (with the exception of the comment about the NCAA being so freakin cheap........and I'll add that they could give a rats azz about D-III anything. Sad. Really sad!!).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 02, 2019, 09:13:35 AM
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on December 01, 2019, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 01:54:14 PM
This is just more evidence that the NCAA's half-*ss selection and seeding process is total gobbledygook.  Who hosts who should be clear as crystal.  This is not rocket science.  They should other go with bracket integrity and rank the seeds 1-32 and pair accordingly (though I think they'd have no real basis to do so, given the limited inter-regional play), or go with the top 8 in each region, seeded appropriately, and let the regional winners fight in the semis.  I know the NCAA is cheap as hell, and would like to get to claim they support D3 without actually having to support it financially, but where they've landed has zero intellectual integrity and zero practical coherence..

Pretty unfair assessment really.  I think there are legitimate questions to ask of the North and East RACs, but I think the national committee put together about the best bracket they could given the constraints that they have.  The idea that we can slot teams 1-32 and pair them off 1v32 2v31, etc is unrealistic and we would all probably be better off going forward just skipping that because it's a fantasyland solution.

Not supporting D3 financially?  This tournament only exists because the NCAA supports it financially.  No, they don't do it with a blank check, but we get a five round tournament which, for the most part, runs really well and is a great experience for the S-As.   

Delaware Valley has to travel to Chicago this week.  I'm sure the Rams can be disappointed in this decision for about 45 seconds, then realize that they are one of eight teams still playing, absolutely have a legit chance to play for a national championship and get right up and over that disappointment.  If you gave every player and coach at DelVal a ticket to Naperville for a national quarterfinal game prior to Week 1, they'd all take it, no questions asked.  Every single one.  This is hardly a gross injustice.

Listen, if you want to go the "y'all should just be happy you D3 guys get anything at all," sure, no injustice at all.  But the NCAA takes in $1B off the backs of student athletes and redistributes a measly 3% back to all D3 athletics in the aggregate.  If they really believe in promoting amateurism, then yeah, I don't think it's too much to ask for slightly larger travel budget and real bracket integrity.  Because if D3 football fans aren't fighting for that, certainly no one else is. (And to be clear, I have zero gripes with a selection committee that is just looking to do the best it can with serious constraints.)

THIS right here is "Post of the Year" material. We should be happy that we are even getting fed.......given the number of starving people in the world. Nah, it should be done the right way. We all know what the NCAA is and has been for decades. They just got their you know what's handed to them with the 'likeness' lawsuits. There will be many more to come. Think about what the budget might get cut down to when the professional classification (FBS) has players cashing in. The scraps might be taken away.................maybe even the cardboard boxes for shelter. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on December 02, 2019, 11:54:34 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2019, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: unionpalooza on December 01, 2019, 01:54:14 PM
Who hosts who should be clear as crystal. 

If you want clear as crystal, here you go:
North Central had a first-round home game.
Delaware Valley had a first-round road game.
That should be plenty of indication right there.

Agree with Pat here.  Once the bracket is out you can figure out the seedings within the bracket.  Mount is 1, Wesley 2 Bridgewater 3, NCC 4.  Del Val would be a 6 based on them being on the road in round 1.  I believe if Wesley would have beaten Del Val on Saturday, Wesley would have hosted this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2019, 12:04:59 PM
Think Del Val was the 5 because of geography, but either way.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on December 06, 2019, 10:18:51 AM
Good luck to Delaware Valley tomorrow , an upset of NCC would be huge for the Aggies and the East Region.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on December 06, 2019, 11:49:34 AM
Quote from: Bartman on December 06, 2019, 10:18:51 AM
Good luck to Delaware Valley tomorrow , an upset of NCC would be huge for the Aggies and the East Region.

Agree, hoping at least one of the East teams wins tomorrow.  2 would be great.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on December 06, 2019, 12:54:24 PM
For my Del Val faithful...an east team has done it before...https://d3football.com/seasons/2015/boxscores/20150926_tcpr.xml
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on December 06, 2019, 01:37:44 PM
The Aggies will need to continue to play great defense and continue run the ball creatively out of their multiple formations and personnel groupings BUT need to add some get some big plays out of the outside receivers other than Allen. You would think that NCC will be keyed in to take Allen away. They will need a huge day out of somebody like Aaron Nelson. Just my two cents..... Good luck!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 06, 2019, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on December 06, 2019, 12:54:24 PM
For my Del Val faithful...an east team has done it before...https://d3football.com/seasons/2015/boxscores/20150926_tcpr.xml

......................but not against a team that just beat the consensus #1 team in the country, on the road, putting up 59 points against them. I think the Aggies magical (replaced 8 out of 11 offensive starters from 2018) run ends here.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Bartman on December 06, 2019, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 06, 2019, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on December 06, 2019, 12:54:24 PM
For my Del Val faithful...an east team has done it before...https://d3football.com/seasons/2015/boxscores/20150926_tcpr.xml

......................but not against a team that just beat the consensus #1 team in the country, on the road, putting up 59 points against them. I think the Aggies magical (replaced 8 out of 11 offensive starters from 2018) run ends here.
I agree it looks pretty daunting, but Mt. Union does not always reveal who they are until they get to the playoffs. The OAC is highly ranked because of Mount Union and often John Carroll, after that Heidleberg can compete well, but the rest of the conference would probably be thrashed by Wilkes. If Mt. Union is having an "off" year for Mt. Union, you never know it until the playoffs. This could be that year of a UMU blip, and while the NCC offense looked pretty awesome, I think the Aggies should hang with them for much of the game. If they get down early, all bets are off, but I think, even with a young team, they will compete. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on December 06, 2019, 03:26:52 PM
Thanks guys for the Good wishes for Del Val!    Will be glued to the tablet tomorrow - that's for sure.   Go Aggies!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 06, 2019, 04:29:26 PM
ANY DELVAL FANS COMING TO NAPERVILLE.........

If you're flying into Midway on SW, directions will usually route you to I55, and I355 and tell you to exit 355 at Maple (later turns into Chicago Ave.) which mainly goes through a residential area with lots of stop lights and 4 way stops. Better to exit 2 exits south at 75th St which is 4 lane to Naperville. Take 75th west to Washington and turn right. Wash. will take you into downtown Naperville. Stay in the right lane. North on Wash to Chicago Ave (Rosebud on the SE corner, Barnes & Noble on the NE).
Turn right on Chicago. Parking in the area is poor, especially on a Sat morning, but 1/2 block after you turn onto Chicago, there is a city parking deck entrance on your left. This deck is the equivalent of 2 blocks almost directly north of the stadium. You will see the stadium between a dorm and the strip mall where Rosebud is. I would try there first.

From O'Hare—I294 South to I88 West. Exit at Naperville Rd. South on Naperville to Ogden (Rt. 34). Right on Ogden to Washington. Left on Washington to Chicago (middle of downtown Naperville). Then left on Chicago to the parking deck as above.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: New Tradition on December 06, 2019, 04:43:16 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on December 06, 2019, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: MANDGSU on December 06, 2019, 12:54:24 PM
For my Del Val faithful...an east team has done it before...https://d3football.com/seasons/2015/boxscores/20150926_tcpr.xml

......................but not against a team that just beat the consensus #1 team in the country, on the road, putting up 59 points against them. I think the Aggies magical (replaced 8 out of 11 offensive starters from 2018) run ends here.

That was the second game I ever called on TV.  NCC had Wesley dead to rights until Joe Callahan absolutely took that game over.  I've never seen anything quite like it.  Really impressive performance. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2019, 04:49:54 PM
Quick question for you Del Val fans (and please forgive my being uniformed about this):

I noticed the Del Val coaching staff has 18 members (including the head coach.)  As much as I can recall, this is the most I've seen.  Aside from the legendary Coach Manlove being a varsity assistant/consultant to HC Greko, the first 5 or so listed with email addresses are full time coaches (and some on staff at the school?), the rest I'm assuming are part time volunteer and JV coaches?   That is quite a large coaching staff.  Just curious.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 06, 2019, 07:38:16 PM
That's right. Mostly volunteers on that staff. Nowhere near 18 all time
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on December 06, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 06, 2019, 07:38:16 PM
That's right. Mostly volunteers on that staff. Nowhere near 18 all time

For sure, that is a lot.  Wow, the program is very fortunate to have that number on staff who are willing to give of their time.  A few schools scramble to have a handful and are not as fortunate.  Thanks for the follow-up info.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: tweisman5 on December 07, 2019, 11:50:56 AM
Below are my week 14 predictions and rankings. The spread (-#) is provided by Massey Ratings and the top 25 rankings are from the Hansen Ratings composite. Good luck to everyone this week!

Week 14 Predictions

#10 Del Val @ #3 North Central Illinois (-19.5): North Central Illinois wins by 14

Week 14 Rankings
1. Del Val (11-1, 8-0)
2. Stevenson (8-3, 7-1)
3. Wilkes (8-3, 6-2)
4. Widener (5-5, 4-4)
5. King's (5-5, 3-5)
6. Lycoming (4-6, 3-5)   
7. Misericordia (5-5, 5-3)
8. Leb Val (3-7, 3-5)
9. FDU (3-7, 2-6) 
10. Albright (2-8, 2-6)
11. Alvernia (2-8, 1-7)

Prediction Record
Last Week: 1-0 (1.000)
Season: 47-21 (.691)
Career: 140-57 (.711)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 07, 2019, 03:49:40 PM
Great effort by Del Val today. Hard to come back from down 17 in the first half on the road against that team, but they showed a lot of fight. Penalties were a killer with two personal fouls and two offsides penalties on fourth down to keep the drive alive. You can't survive that against great teams.

But overall it was a great run. Road playoff wins are really rare (though not so much today) so you savor those.

Fontana matured as a quarterback throughout the year, Dan Allen was a total stud and Simmons showed a spark that I look forward to seeing again next year. The defense was outstanding and should be very good again next year.

When Del Val lost to Mount Union years ago, it felt like the Aggies were far away from competing at that level. It doesn't anymore.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on December 07, 2019, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 07, 2019, 03:49:40 PM
Great effort by Del Val today. Hard to come back from down 17 in the first half on the road against that team, but they showed a lot of fight. Penalties were a killer with two personal fouls and two offsides penalties on fourth down to keep the drive alive. You can't survive that against great teams.

But overall it was a great run. Road playoff wins are really rare (though not so much today) so you savor those.

Fontana matured as a quarterback throughout the year, Dan Allen was a total stud and Simmons showed a spark that I look forward to seeing again next year. The defense was outstanding and should be very good again next year.

When Del Val lost to Mount Union years ago, it felt like the Aggies were far away from competing at that level. It doesn't anymore.
Coming up empty twice in the red zone twice in the fourth quarter twice too. Any thoughts on why they didn't kick on 4th-and-11? Wind a factor? Didn't trust the kicker?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2019, 04:01:23 PM
Let's see........................... (Wesleydad, you were right) :)

Oline89: NCC - 61        DelVal - 14 "DelVal gets Orangutan Mashed"

Johnny Utah: NCC - 56     DelVal - 14

Ice Bear: NCC - 52     DelVal - 10

Machiavelli: "DelVal gets absolutely destroyed". No score, but that comment puts a score in the Oline89 range of 61 - 10

Thank God we don't do predictions for a living!! :)

Total yardage: NCC - 365 (5.14 yards per play)     DelVal - 324 (5.40 yards per play)
QB Comparison: Gagliardi Finalist - 23/33, 263 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT / One Year Starter (and non-Gagliardi Finalist) - 21/36, 232 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT
Rushing Yardage: NCC - 38-102 (2.7 per carry & Greenfield held to 95 yards on 28 attempts)     DelVal - 23-92 (4.0 per carry)
**Both teams had two sacks

Statistically speaking, an incredibly close game. The huge difference was the Nigro fumble on the NCC 15 yard line. They score and it's a 24-21 game. From 17-0 at halftime to a fumble away from 24-21, to a team that went into Mount Union and put 59 points up on the road.

This DelVal defense was much better than anybody thought (see the NCC score predictions of 61, 56 and 52), especially for game #3 on the road. They gave up slightly less than half the yardage and half the points that NCC put up at Mount Union. I think the close score will shock many.......................and the game was much, much closer than the final score indicates.

DelVal has seven defensive starters back next year, starting with two more years from the Nobile brothers (DE's), their best LB and their entire secondary (3 sophs and 1 junior). This defense could be scary again next year as the LB depth in the program is very deep. Offensively, if the backup QB can hold down the fort next year, they have many returnees at RB, WR and on the OL.

With a better seeding and 2, maybe (unlikely though) 3 home games, they could return to the National Quarterfinals, maybe even the semi's if they catch a huge break here or there. All in all, a fantastic, and unexpected great season given the number of new offensive starters and youth across the board. If they have a good recruiting year, they might be right back in the National Quarters (third time in the last four years) next season!

Great job Aggies!!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 07, 2019, 04:02:43 PM
Yeah, they had 3 field goals all year. The kid with arguably the best range might not have been dressed because of roster limitations.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2019, 04:03:15 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 07, 2019, 03:49:40 PM
Great effort by Del Val today. Hard to come back from down 17 in the first half on the road against that team, but they showed a lot of fight. Penalties were a killer with two personal fouls and two offsides penalties on fourth down to keep the drive alive. You can't survive that against great teams.

But overall it was a great run. Road playoff wins are really rare (though not so much today) so you savor those.

Fontana matured as a quarterback throughout the year, Dan Allen was a total stud and Simmons showed a spark that I look forward to seeing again next year. The defense was outstanding and should be very good again next year.

When Del Val lost to Mount Union years ago, it felt like the Aggies were far away from competing at that level. It doesn't anymore.

If Nigro doesn't fumble that ball at NCC's 15, I would have love to seen what happens from 24-21. The defense could be sick next year, especially with another great recruiting year!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on December 07, 2019, 04:14:28 PM
Good season Aggies! Way to represent the east well.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ice Bear on December 07, 2019, 04:18:49 PM
Ice Bear was very impressed with the Aggies today. He certainly underestimated them today and possibly all year. What a great season from what continues to be an excellent winning program. Ice thinks next year may be even better for this young team depending on graduation. Well ****ing done!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 07, 2019, 06:34:31 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on December 07, 2019, 04:18:49 PM
Ice Bear was very impressed with the Aggies today. He certainly underestimated them today and possibly all year. What a great season from what continues to be an excellent winning program. Ice thinks next year may be even better for this young team depending on graduation. Well ****ing done!!!

Jay appreciates the kind comments from his Ice Man. Jay thinks Ice Man might be spot on about next year as well. Jay knows of a player or two who played at DelVal in 2018 and did not come back in 2019 (financial issues)..........who might be coming back in January. Two difference makers. Jay will see. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on December 08, 2019, 09:09:13 AM
Hey, all you Cardinal fans out there - two words 'Beat Muhlenberg' next Saturday!    We're from Easton, and actually, Easton, Bethlehem and Allentown are practically one sprawled out city (Lehigh Valley).   My family & i have been to Muhlenberg, in Allentown, more time than i could count.   That being said, the Team that beat our Aggies gets the nod from this died in the wool DVU fan.   Go all the way!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: New Tradition on December 09, 2019, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: kate on December 08, 2019, 09:09:13 AM
Hey, all you Cardinal fans out there - two words 'Beat Muhlenberg' next Saturday!    We're from Easton, and actually, Easton, Bethlehem and Allentown are practically one sprawled out city (Lehigh Valley).   My family & i have been to Muhlenberg, in Allentown, more time than i could count.   That being said, the Team that beat our Aggies gets the nod from this died in the wool DVU fan.   Go all the way!
Thanks, Kate!  Del Val was extremely impressive, and with what they have returning they're going to be a FORCE for a few years here.  Looking forward to following them in the coming years.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on December 09, 2019, 12:45:34 PM
Thank you so much New Tradition!   Go Cardinals!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 14, 2019, 12:40:21 PM
21 - 0 with 5 minutes left in the first quarter. I said it all week, had Nigro not fumbled at the 10 and made it a 24 - 21 game..................and had DelVal pulled off the miracle and beat North Central on the road, I would have LOVED their chances at Muhlenberg. Absolutely loved their chances!

I honestly do believe that DelVal had a better defense than Muhlenberg. They gave up 31 for the entire game (on the road) and Muhlenberg has already given up 21.

Ah, what could have been. Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. Horseshoes and hand grenades (for those enough to remember that reference) ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 14, 2019, 01:51:58 PM
Math is my game. Numbers are my life (manage risk capital for people with a lot of money..........and continue to short volatility thru leveraged ETP's and ETN's ).

Here are a few numbers:

Muhlenberg has given up 7 more points, AT HOME, at THE HALF than DelVal did to North Central, ON THE ROAD, FOR THE GAME.

Muhlenberg gave up 334 yards in the FIRST HALF. DelVal gave up, on the road, 365 yards, FOR THE GAME.

Greenfield has run for 132 yards in the FIRST HALF. DelVal held him to 95 on 28 carries, FOR THE GAME.

Kamienski has 11 catches for 132 yards AND 4 TD's in the FIRST HALF. DelVal gave him 7 catches for 82 yards and 1 TD, FOR THE GAME.

Math is beautiful. Math has irrefutable laws. Math is beautiful, she's sassy. I love you math. ;)

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on December 14, 2019, 02:35:26 PM
Makes sense to me
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on December 14, 2019, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on December 14, 2019, 02:35:26 PM
Makes sense to me

No doubt about it.

DelVal > Muhlenberg
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on December 22, 2019, 10:55:39 PM
Just read that Frank Sheptock was named HC at Bloomsburg...congrats Frank!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on May 03, 2020, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: bill on December 22, 2019, 10:55:39 PM
Just read that Frank Sheptock was named HC at Bloomsburg...congrats Frank!!!

Thanks for highlighting this, Bill. I was certainly surprised to hear the news last year, but it is certainly a great fit for Coach Shep. I wish him all the best; the PSAC is as competitive as ever, but if he still has at least some of his best mojo with him from the Wilkes days, I expect the Huskies to be more than competitive.

On another note, it looks like the Wilkes-FDU gridiron matchups will take a brief hiatus as the teams rotate off each other's schedules in the next few seasons. The Devils will be missed by the Colonels faithful; there have been some great games between the teams and in my day, many of the players knew each other from their high school days.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on May 03, 2020, 07:23:57 PM
Hi folks, I hope everyone is staying well during this challenging time.

A few links I had been meaning to share in recent weeks:

- First, a very nice interview by the Discover NEPA blog with Wilkes HC Jon Drach and his wife, Janelle. It's a good look at some of the reasons why I think D3 head coaches stick in their jobs longer than you see at bigger schools, with the Drachs sharing thoughts on the quality of life in our region:

https://www.discovernepa.com/articles-and-stories/jon-and-janelle-drach-why-nepa/

- Also, a look at how spring practice at the Wilkes-Barre MAC schools changed with the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, with coverage and quotes from both programs:

https://www.timesleader.com/sports/780900/kings-wilkes-football-teams-dealing-with-canceled-spring-practices

All the best to our crew on this board; I hope to see some of you in the grandstands this fall, or in the spring, or whenever we can resume games safely.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on May 04, 2020, 10:49:04 AM
My parents are Wilkes alums. Class of '71 I believe. Dad is super excited about Coach Drach. Hopefully he will get to follow some progress this fall.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on June 28, 2020, 02:03:21 PM
Some MAC news:

https://www.timesleader.com/sports/789495/questions-loom-for-local-college-football-players
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 28, 2020, 06:55:13 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on June 28, 2020, 02:03:21 PM
Some MAC news:

https://www.timesleader.com/sports/789495/questions-loom-for-local-college-football-players

Thanks ITH. This board has become a morgue, especially with DelVal dominating most years. I've been hanging out on the busier boards. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 10, 2020, 10:28:49 AM
Let's see if this post awakens any of the former active members on this board: ;)

https://athletics.delval.edu/news/2020/7/10/general-middle-atlantic-conference-announces-update-on-fall-2020-sports.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on July 10, 2020, 12:32:41 PM
Good news
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on July 10, 2020, 05:01:42 PM
I'm still awake ;D...but not much to say about all this. I heard about this one earlier, but it is the best they can do to preserve deposits. I think schools are trying to wait to the last possible moment because they don't want the athletes to bolt and sit out a year - or go elsewhere. Yes, it's a cynical approach, but after some of the other higher ed decisions I've seen in the past few months.....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 11, 2020, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: bill on July 10, 2020, 05:01:42 PM
I'm still awake ;D...but not much to say about all this. I heard about this one earlier, but it is the best they can do to preserve deposits. I think schools are trying to wait to the last possible moment because they don't want the athletes to bolt and sit out a year - or go elsewhere. Yes, it's a cynical approach, but after some of the other higher ed decisions I've seen in the past few months.....

Thanks bill................I knew that I could count on you!! :)

I'm, sending smoke signals out for kate, simba, bman and coloneljohn. This board used to be quite active. I think DelVal's recent domination has sent most into the "who cares" zone. I bet you though if Lycoming ever turns it around.........simba will reappear and say something about being out of the country without access to the internet for the last decade. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 16, 2020, 12:16:07 PM
The MAC and the PSAC have a ton of Pennsylvania, geographical crossover...............and the PSAC just pulled the plug on all Fall sports AND anything else prior to January 1 (there also goes 2 1/2 months of basketball practices and some (8-12) games, wrestling practices and matches, etc.).

Not that one has any impact, per se, on the other, but I wonder if the MAC does have an actual chance at playing a full 8 game conference schedule?

Also, the geniuses in the capital of the same state as 16 of the 17 PSAC schools have decided, at THIS point, to allow high school fall sports to move forward.

Can you say clusterfudge? :(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on July 16, 2020, 12:48:07 PM
FWIW the PIAA (the HS governing body) is planning on moving ahead with a fall season. Per OL89's comments on the LL board, this D2 school situation seems to have more with a teacher's union flex than a FB one.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 16, 2020, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on July 16, 2020, 12:48:07 PM
FWIW the PIAA (the HS governing body) is planning on moving ahead with a fall season. Per OL89's comments on the LL board, this D2 school situation seems to have more with a teacher's union flex than a FB one.

I know that filthy governing body quite well. A growing group of us is preparing a lawsuit aimed at forcing a change is the legislation to split the public and private schools apart like they do in many other states, including neighboring New Jersey. The recruiting private schools, with a 100% open enrollment policy, are like traveling All-Star/AAU teams and play against geography locked public schools in district, regional and state playoff competition. Some of the state championship final scores in small school basketball have been the 80's to 90's.........vs. the 20's and 30's. Disgraceful.......and they know the lawsuit is coming!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 24, 2020, 10:02:01 AM
.....................and there goes the MAC!!!!

Now I guess Simba stays in the Lycoming Witness Protection Program that much longer. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 24, 2020, 10:55:56 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 24, 2020, 10:02:01 AM
.....................and there goes the MAC!!!!

Now I guess Simba stays in the Lycoming Witness Protection Program that much longer. ;)

Yup....

https://gomacsports.com/news/2020/7/24/general-mac-suspends-ncaa-competition-for-fall-2020.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 01, 2020, 01:57:12 PM
The MAC is right, of course, but this whole mess is heartbreaking.   Weren't we all looking forward to in person games or next best hunching over the computer to watch those Saturday football games???   Del Val and the MAC will survive and come back next season better than ever!   Go Aggies!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on November 27, 2020, 11:07:36 AM
Hi folks, hope you are all in good health and doing well!

I was delighted to see this story running in both the Wilkes-Barre Citizens Voice and the Scranton Times-Tribune on Thanksgiving morning. It details how each of the four D3 football programs in NEPA (Wilkes, King's, Misericorida, and Keystone of the ECFC) have adapted to the unique recruiting environment brought on by the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://www.citizensvoice.com/sports/college/local-college-football-coaches-reinvent-recruiting-during-pandemic/article_54977168-9c16-5383-8694-d64693160aef.html
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 15, 2021, 10:46:07 AM
With most of my MAC buddies long gone from this board, I've been jumping around to much more robust conference boards. That said, it's mind boggling to me that a conference like the MAC, where each team is only looking to fill 2 OOC spots (vs. the NJAC with 5 OOC needs per team), has yet to post a full conference schedule (I miss Ken Andrews). In fact, about half of the MAC teams have filled one of their two OOC spots..........with other MAC teams!!

The camps open up in just 8 weeks or so...................let's see the schedules. Oy Vey!!!!! :(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on June 16, 2021, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on June 15, 2021, 10:46:07 AM
With most of my MAC buddies long gone from this board, I've been jumping around to much more robust conference boards. That said, it's mind boggling to me that a conference like the MAC, where each team is only looking to fill 2 OOC spots (vs. the NJAC with 5 OOC needs per team), has yet to post a full conference schedule (I miss Ken Andrews). In fact, about half of the MAC teams have filled one of their two OOC spots..........with other MAC teams!!

The camps open up in just 8 weeks or so...................let's see the schedules. Oy Vey!!!!! :(
I could be wrong but I assume the SIDs and departments are just busy especially any wrapping up spring sports... buy now with summer they might not get around to it until closer to the season. Who knows?

I was bugging Rowan a bit on twitter about when they would post their schedule :D  and luckily they always replied to me
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on June 17, 2021, 12:31:59 PM
MAC has the benefit of being such a big conf they probably can sit on schedule releases since they only need 1 OOC. The fact they are in Region 1 this fall could be an interesting advantage, seeding and otherwise, if/when the eventual 2021 MAC champ runs the table.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 17, 2021, 01:13:50 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on June 17, 2021, 12:31:59 PM
MAC has the benefit of being such a big conf they probably can sit on schedule releases since they only need 1 OOC. The fact they are in Region 1 this fall could be an interesting advantage, seeding and otherwise, if/when the eventual 2021 MAC champ runs the table.

ITH - They need 2 OOC's, not 1 as only 8 of the 10 games count as conference games. For example, Delval plays Kean and Montclair St. to start the season. I'm not sure that anybody runs the MAC this year given the motherlode that DelVal lost (if that's who you were thinking:) ........................unless Stevenson (who returns a ton) hit the transfer jackpot or a team like Widener did the same (with Wesley transfers).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on June 17, 2021, 01:39:43 PM
Yeah, it's likely the MAC champ won't be an undefeated team, still should have an advantage playoff ranking wise vs. the mostly NE confs is what I was implying.

Wilkes schedule is up btw:

https://gowilkesu.com/sports/football/schedule?path=football

Guessing their game vs. MIS won't count as a MAC one based on how it's gone in the past.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 17, 2021, 02:49:54 PM
Quote from: ITH radio on June 17, 2021, 01:39:43 PM
Yeah, it's likely the MAC champ won't be an undefeated team, still should have an advantage playoff ranking wise vs. the mostly NE confs is what I was implying.

Wilkes schedule is up btw:

https://gowilkesu.com/sports/football/schedule?path=football

Guessing their game vs. MIS won't count as a MAC one based on how it's gone in the past.

Gotcha!! Stevenson, King's and LebVal are also up and on the D3football website. I guess Wilkes will be here shortly as well (although not sure how that works exactly).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on June 21, 2021, 10:59:31 AM
So what did I miss? ;D

Hope everyone is back to "normal" come fall....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ITH radio on June 21, 2021, 11:54:39 AM
FDU's schedule was released earlier today. Love the opener on Friday night (9/3):

https://fdudevils.com/sports/football/schedule
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on June 21, 2021, 02:38:59 PM
Yes. We (they, I guess now) have loved playing Friday nights for years. Was a great social event/high student body turnout...many other team's (Lycoming, Johns Hopkins) AD's used to like it too - because it saved their departments an overnight trip.

Now it seems as if MAC teams rarely play night games, even though a bunch of teams have had lights since the early 2000's.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on June 24, 2021, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: bill on June 21, 2021, 02:38:59 PM
Yes. We (they, I guess now) have loved playing Friday nights for years. Was a great social event/high student body turnout...many other team's (Lycoming, Johns Hopkins) AD's used to like it too - because it saved their departments an overnight trip.

Now it seems as if MAC teams rarely play night games, even though a bunch of teams have had lights since the early 2000's.

Albright and Salisbury have interchangeably hosted night games against each other for the past 3 to 6 years.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 01, 2021, 01:03:07 PM
DVU 2021 Schedule is up ... As they work towards their goal of another MAC Title....

https://athletics.delval.edu/sports/football/schedule
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 07, 2021, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: PBR... on July 01, 2021, 01:03:07 PM
DVU 2021 Schedule is up ... As they work towards their goal of another MAC Title....

https://athletics.delval.edu/sports/football/schedule

They lost a motherlode though. I will be interested to see how successful the two year reloading project has been!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on July 09, 2021, 07:24:21 PM
Misericordia names new head coach.

https://athletics.misericordia.edu/news/2021/7/9/misericordia-names-john-davis-head-football-coach.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: The Mole on July 16, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
Just saw In the Huddle retweet this about former Lycoming coach (and Hall of Famer) Frank Girardi (it is his birthday). Top 10 in D3 history in wins with 257-97-5 record, a share of 13 MAC titles and 11 playoff appearances.
Very impressive. He and recruiter Rob Curry made a living out of the Philadelphia Catholic League. Since both of them have departed, the program has had a considerable drop.
What happened? They were a South Region power in mid to late eighties through the 90s.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 16, 2021, 02:05:31 PM
Quote from: The Mole on July 16, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
Just saw In the Huddle retweet this about former Lycoming coach (and Hall of Famer) Frank Girardi (it is his birthday). Top 10 in D3 history in wins with 257-97-5 record, a share of 13 MAC titles and 11 playoff appearances.
Very impressive. He and recruiter Rob Curry made a living out of the Philadelphia Catholic League. Since both of them have departed, the program has had a considerable drop.
What happened? They were a South Region power in mid to late eighties through the 90s.

The Philadelphia Catholic League that Lycoming sort of owned many moons ago has changed significantly with the sham of open enrollment and blatant recruiting efforts to grab kids many miles away from where they live (and from local, public schools as well). You should have seen the extent to which Wood went to try to get Josh Adams to transfer from C.B. South!!!. The other big joke is how the PIAA has allowed these schools to take part in state playoffs (but not for long though as a model similar to NJ is quietly being discussed in Harrisburg).

Take one look at the hometowns of the Archbishop Wood roster. Many of the football players get dropped off by a Septa bus at York & Street Roads...........after taking multiple buses to get there. Some of these kids pay zilch and those kids paying, wind up paying for them via higher tuition and fees.

St. Joe Prep is even a bigger joke. How these teams are still participating in the PIAA State Playoffs is a disgrace and it shows how spineless the PIAA truly is. They could give a rats azz about the kids and competitive balance.

It's all a changing though. Not a matter of 'if'..............just a matter of 'when'. The parents of non-athletes as well as alums and parents of players getting no time (and paying full freight) have had just about enough. I know first hand!!!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: The Mole on July 16, 2021, 03:12:54 PM
Don't get me started about the PIAA, jmc, they turn a blind eye. Devlin now the DC at Ursinus. Dozens of kids that he got to transfer from schools and leagues across SE PA. There was a specific donor that was providing much of the support, as well.

The Warriors have been lapped by DelVal. Albright and Widener were always good games too but does not seem to have the same juice. The Route 15 rivalry with Susquehanna was always a good one. They have lost the last 3 in a row and are 5-5 in last 10. Stevenson has been a great addition to the overall level of play.

Have not had a winning campaign since 2014. Why?

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 16, 2021, 02:05:31 PM
Quote from: The Mole on July 16, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
Just saw In the Huddle retweet this about former Lycoming coach (and Hall of Famer) Frank Girardi (it is his birthday). Top 10 in D3 history in wins with 257-97-5 record, a share of 13 MAC titles and 11 playoff appearances.
Very impressive. He and recruiter Rob Curry made a living out of the Philadelphia Catholic League. Since both of them have departed, the program has had a considerable drop.
What happened? They were a South Region power in mid to late eighties through the 90s.

The Philadelphia Catholic League that Lycoming sort of owned many moons ago has changed significantly with the sham of open enrollment and blatant recruiting efforts to grab kids many miles away from where they live (and from local, public schools as well). You should have seen the extent to which Wood went to try to get Josh Adams to transfer from C.B. South!!!. The other big joke is how the PIAA has allowed these schools to take part in state playoffs (but not for long though as a model similar to NJ is quietly being discussed in Harrisburg).

Take one look at the hometowns of the Archbishop Wood roster. Many of the football players get dropped off by a Septa bus at York & Street Roads...........after taking multiple buses to get there. Some of these kids pay zilch and those kids paying, wind up paying for them via higher tuition and fees.

St. Joe Prep is even a bigger joke. How these teams are still participating in the PIAA State Playoffs is a disgrace and it shows how spineless the PIAA truly is. They could give a rats azz about the kids and competitive balance.

It's all a changing though. Not a matter of 'if'..............just a matter of 'when'. The parents of non-athletes as well as alums and parents of players getting no time (and paying full freight) have had just about enough. I know first hand!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 17, 2021, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: The Mole on July 16, 2021, 03:12:54 PM
Don't get me started about the PIAA, jmc, they turn a blind eye. Devlin now the DC at Ursinus. Dozens of kids that he got to transfer from schools and leagues across SE PA. There was a specific donor that was providing much of the support, as well.

The Warriors have been lapped by DelVal. Albright and Widener were always good games too but does not seem to have the same juice. The Route 15 rivalry with Susquehanna was always a good one. They have lost the last 3 in a row and are 5-5 in last 10. Stevenson has been a great addition to the overall level of play.

Have not had a winning campaign since 2014. Why?

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 16, 2021, 02:05:31 PM
Quote from: The Mole on July 16, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
Just saw In the Huddle retweet this about former Lycoming coach (and Hall of Famer) Frank Girardi (it is his birthday). Top 10 in D3 history in wins with 257-97-5 record, a share of 13 MAC titles and 11 playoff appearances.
Very impressive. He and recruiter Rob Curry made a living out of the Philadelphia Catholic League. Since both of them have departed, the program has had a considerable drop.
What happened? They were a South Region power in mid to late eighties through the 90s.

The Philadelphia Catholic League that Lycoming sort of owned many moons ago has changed significantly with the sham of open enrollment and blatant recruiting efforts to grab kids many miles away from where they live (and from local, public schools as well). You should have seen the extent to which Wood went to try to get Josh Adams to transfer from C.B. South!!!. The other big joke is how the PIAA has allowed these schools to take part in state playoffs (but not for long though as a model similar to NJ is quietly being discussed in Harrisburg).

Take one look at the hometowns of the Archbishop Wood roster. Many of the football players get dropped off by a Septa bus at York & Street Roads...........after taking multiple buses to get there. Some of these kids pay zilch and those kids paying, wind up paying for them via higher tuition and fees.

St. Joe Prep is even a bigger joke. How these teams are still participating in the PIAA State Playoffs is a disgrace and it shows how spineless the PIAA truly is. They could give a rats azz about the kids and competitive balance.

It's all a changing though. Not a matter of 'if'..............just a matter of 'when'. The parents of non-athletes as well as alums and parents of players getting no time (and paying full freight) have had just about enough. I know first hand!!!

We might very well be speaking about a donor who is a VERY heavy hitter (senior executive) in the wealth management business (if so, I know him well)......................but that spigot has been turned off for many reasons. The lengths they went to get stud RB, Josh Adams, to try to leave C.B. South was disgusting. I brought this to the attention of the PIAA and they could give two ****s! The Catholic League has become The Scumbag League!!!!

Wood's current head coach (and NOT a scumbag like Devlin) played football at DelVal and the Aggies have done a good job grabbing lower level Wood kids.

The Lycoming situation is a bit puzzling, although I will say that the staff at DelVal has been around quite a while and are excellent recruiters. Lyco's HC on the other hand is a dirty recruiter and uses some filthy tactics when recruiting against the likes of DelVal, Widener and Stevenson (won't mention the "what" here, but based on roster composition, it's not rocket science). He also has been known to stand near midfield before games staring down opponents and talking some smack. That just motivates the types of kids playing at a DelVal or Stevenson. he is not the brightest bulb in the attic. There used to be a very regular poster here (simba, lycosimba........something like that) who "disappeared" from the board just as Lyco started to suck wind. How convenient!! If they ever turn it around, he'll claim that he was captive in some third world country, broke free and swam across some large ocean :) . Speaking of which, one of the very long time Widener posters has barely been around since their (relative) hey day.

I adopted DelVal when I moved to Doylestown (and since my undergrad alma mater, listened to the uber-libs, before that became fashionable, and dropped the sport)!! :(

I'm looking forward to that Stevenson at DelVal game on September 18 as it could go a long way towards determining the MAC Champion........although DelVal lost a ton from the 2019 squad.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on July 20, 2021, 01:16:30 PM
Updated Open Dates:
Anna Maria - 9/4 (Wk1), 10/9 (Wk 6)
Gallaudet - 9/4 (Wk1), 9/11 (Wk2), 10/30 (Wk 9)
SUNY-Maritime - 9/4 (Wk1), 10/23 (Wk 8)
Misericordia - 9/4 (Wk 1), 11/13 (Wk 11)
Curry - 9/25 (Wk 4), 10/23 (Wk 8)
UNE - 9/25 (Wk 4), 10/16 (Wk 7)
MIT - 9/18 (Wk 3), 10/9 (Wk 6)
Merchant Marine - 9/11 (Wk 2), 11/6 (Wk 10)
Salisbury - 9/18 (Wk 3), 10/9 (Wk 6)
Rowan - 9/18 (Wk 3), 10/9 (Wk 6)
TCNJ - 9/18 (Wk 3), 10/30 (Wk 9)
Kean - 9/18 (Wk 3), 11/6 (Wk 10)

Updated Playing Matchmaker - If Kean and Merchant Marine reschedule their matchup from 9/25 to 11/6. We can fill out the schedule as noted.

Merchant Marine v. Curry - 9/25
Kean v. UNE - 9/25
Salisbury v. MIT - 10/9
Gallaudet v. Misericordia - 9/4
Gallaudet v. TCNJ - 10/30
Anna Maria v. Rowan - 10/9
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on August 17, 2021, 07:14:17 PM
Any Widener fans have any thoughts or insights into how the team is shaping up this year?

I'm looking forward to the season kickoff in Glassboro against our cross river rivals.

I'll be posting a Rowan preview once the updated roster is published.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 18, 2021, 02:55:37 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 17, 2021, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: The Mole on July 16, 2021, 03:12:54 PM
Don't get me started about the PIAA, jmc, they turn a blind eye. Devlin now the DC at Ursinus. Dozens of kids that he got to transfer from schools and leagues across SE PA. There was a specific donor that was providing much of the support, as well.

The Warriors have been lapped by DelVal. Albright and Widener were always good games too but does not seem to have the same juice. The Route 15 rivalry with Susquehanna was always a good one. They have lost the last 3 in a row and are 5-5 in last 10. Stevenson has been a great addition to the overall level of play.

Have not had a winning campaign since 2014. Why?

Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 16, 2021, 02:05:31 PM
Quote from: The Mole on July 16, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
Just saw In the Huddle retweet this about former Lycoming coach (and Hall of Famer) Frank Girardi (it is his birthday). Top 10 in D3 history in wins with 257-97-5 record, a share of 13 MAC titles and 11 playoff appearances.
Very impressive. He and recruiter Rob Curry made a living out of the Philadelphia Catholic League. Since both of them have departed, the program has had a considerable drop.
What happened? They were a South Region power in mid to late eighties through the 90s.

The Philadelphia Catholic League that Lycoming sort of owned many moons ago has changed significantly with the sham of open enrollment and blatant recruiting efforts to grab kids many miles away from where they live (and from local, public schools as well). You should have seen the extent to which Wood went to try to get Josh Adams to transfer from C.B. South!!!. The other big joke is how the PIAA has allowed these schools to take part in state playoffs (but not for long though as a model similar to NJ is quietly being discussed in Harrisburg).

Take one look at the hometowns of the Archbishop Wood roster. Many of the football players get dropped off by a Septa bus at York & Street Roads...........after taking multiple buses to get there. Some of these kids pay zilch and those kids paying, wind up paying for them via higher tuition and fees.

St. Joe Prep is even a bigger joke. How these teams are still participating in the PIAA State Playoffs is a disgrace and it shows how spineless the PIAA truly is. They could give a rats azz about the kids and competitive balance.

It's all a changing though. Not a matter of 'if'..............just a matter of 'when'. The parents of non-athletes as well as alums and parents of players getting no time (and paying full freight) have had just about enough. I know first hand!!!

We might very well be speaking about a donor who is a VERY heavy hitter (senior executive) in the wealth management business (if so, I know him well)......................but that spigot has been turned off for many reasons. The lengths they went to get stud RB, Josh Adams, to try to leave C.B. South was disgusting. I brought this to the attention of the PIAA and they could give two ****s! The Catholic League has become The Scumbag League!!!!

Wood's current head coach (and NOT a scumbag like Devlin) played football at DelVal and the Aggies have done a good job grabbing lower level Wood kids.

The Lycoming situation is a bit puzzling, although I will say that the staff at DelVal has been around quite a while and are excellent recruiters. Lyco's HC on the other hand is a dirty recruiter and uses some filthy tactics when recruiting against the likes of DelVal, Widener and Stevenson (won't mention the "what" here, but based on roster composition, it's not rocket science). He also has been known to stand near midfield before games staring down opponents and talking some smack. That just motivates the types of kids playing at a DelVal or Stevenson. he is not the brightest bulb in the attic. There used to be a very regular poster here (simba, lycosimba........something like that) who "disappeared" from the board just as Lyco started to suck wind. How convenient!! If they ever turn it around, he'll claim that he was captive in some third world country, broke free and swam across some large ocean :) . Speaking of which, one of the very long time Widener posters has barely been around since their (relative) hey day.

I adopted DelVal when I moved to Doylestown (and since my undergrad alma mater, listened to the uber-libs, before that became fashionable, and dropped the sport)!! :(

I'm looking forward to that Stevenson at DelVal game on September 18 as it could go a long way towards determining the MAC Champion........although DelVal lost a ton from the 2019 squad.

I'm still here, although not really posting much...
I see that you are insinuating that I was only posting when Widener was good, which is not true...I have been a poster on this board in good times and bad since almost the beginning of this board...
Health issues, kids in HS/college ...sports and other life things..(working on rehabbing a shore property), have taken precedence, over non critical activities.
Also, I am further away from the program than I have ever been.  I know none of the coaching staff and have to rely on the word of others that do...so they can speak for themselves, which unfortunately most don't come on here anymore.
What I can tell you as part of the decline of the WU program seemingly lies greatly on the deemphasis of sports in general at WU by the president and other officials.  I have personal knowledge of recruits that went elsewhere due to financial packages that were horrifically non competitive.  Also, one was told that they would have to buy their practice uniforms, T shirts etc.... That was all comped at another MAC school where they chose to go.  I can tell you that the Widener football brotherhood (a group of football alum) does their best to make up for the gaps caused by the administration, but it falls short.
Until the administration changes, I expect Widener to be middle or bottom of the pack....we will see
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 19, 2021, 12:00:47 AM
No comment JCL?  Lol must be because you think Stevenson will win the MAC😆
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 19, 2021, 04:43:39 PM
Quote from: bman on August 19, 2021, 12:00:47 AM
No comment JCL?  Lol must be because you think Stevenson will win the MAC😆

I confused you with Simba (or Lycosimba), who went into the Witness Protection Program when Lycoming started their downfall (and it couldn't have more deservedly happened to a creep like their head coach............I could tell you some stories, but won't here).

As far as Stevenson is concerned, they bring back a ton, package incredibly well financially and have wonderful facilities. I think the MAC winner comes down to the first MAC game of the year, Stevenson at DelVal.

Not following it as closely (your words) as you used to, in DelVal's miraculous (all on the road) run to the Elite Eight in 2019....................it took a prayer of a TD pass on 3rd and long for DVU to beat Stevenson, 28-21, AT DelVal. The separation betweem the two teams was that tight, in THAT year.

As far as Widener is concerned, I've heard that financial packages are actually quite better than several of the MAC schools, including DelVal (Widener HC is a DelVal football playing grad and a current player had a brother at Widener just a couple of years ago).

Heck, even in the great 2019 year, Widener played DelVal very close........at DelVal. I expect big things from Widener and Lycoming this year (as do their coaches) given what they bring back and brought in.

As mentioned in my post in the NJAC thread, DelVal's defense (the line and DB's) should be great. The LB's are a weakness given all they lost. They will struggle offensively given all that they lost from the 2019 team.

I look forward to the season (as a Swarthmore grad, I'd just love to have a team again), hopefully, a few posts here and there from you as this board is close to bare...................and Simba coming back to tell us that he was on a 5 year mission trip, just as it looks like Lycoming is in the hunt late in the season. ;)

God Bless!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 19, 2021, 09:50:07 PM
Hi JCL
While I havent seen all MAC schools, (and As I mentioned) I saw (personally), 2 separate comparisons of packages offered to 2 student athletes.
One of the recruits had 3 other Mac schools along with WU.  The closest WU was to any of the others was 10k worse.
The other only had one other MAC school, and it was 22k worse...while I wont mention schools, I will say that none of them were Del Val.
Oddly enough, the one school overlapped between the 2 recruits....and the numbers were very different for those 2(the dads don't know each other)...
Admittedly I was/am a bit confused over that...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on August 20, 2021, 12:47:14 PM
Quote from: bman on August 19, 2021, 09:50:07 PM
Hi JCL
While I havent seen all MAC schools, (and As I mentioned) I saw (personally), 2 separate comparisons of packages offered to 2 student athletes.
One of the recruits had 3 other Mac schools along with WU.  The closest WU was to any of the others was 10k worse.
The other only had one other MAC school, and it was 22k worse...while I wont mention schools, I will say that none of them were Del Val.
Oddly enough, the one school overlapped between the 2 recruits....and the numbers were very different for those 2(the dads don't know each other)...
Admittedly I was/am a bit confused over that...

Albright packages just about at the top of the MAC for most freshmen they really want. For many, the packages get much less rewarding in year two and some transferring out occurs. Alvernia is also packaging well..............given that their neighbor, Albright, packages well.

Stevenson and Misericordia also package well, but only Stevenson sees those packages pay off with solid teams year in and year out.

Keep your eyes out for Widener and Lyco(simba:) this year. While a notch below DelVal/Stevenson, they could be in the hunt should the loser of that game be picked off by someone else.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on August 26, 2021, 03:20:33 PM
OK  Time for MAC predictions   top to bottom....

go....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on August 27, 2021, 11:19:07 AM
I think the coaches poll is about right going in at the top with Delaware Valley and Stevenson. It's so hard to tell after a year off for most.

Wilkes seems to be headed in the right direction the pass couple of years despite that drubbing in the MAC-CC Bowl.

I would think a traditional power like Widener or Lycoming is long overdue due to rise again. Albright bottomed out the past couple but have been a solid program historically. We will find out a lot in their openers against Rowan, Susquehanna and Salisbury respectively.

King's has been 5-5 for the past 4 years. Could they take a step up?

I think Misericordia, picked 9th, may have deserved a little more respect after going 12-4 in the MAC the last two years. They finally see Del Val and Stevenson on their schedule this year, which wasn't true the last two seasons.

Just my two cents, not really sure what to think about LVC, Alvernia and FDU.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on September 03, 2021, 09:57:06 AM
I was checking out the Widener roster and I was surprised to see James Gillespie still there. He torched Rowan in 2019. I assume he was granted an extra year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 05, 2021, 09:41:58 AM
Any insights on the Stevenson game?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 05, 2021, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: bman on September 05, 2021, 09:41:58 AM
Any insights on the Stevenson game?

Johns Hopkins controlled the game from start to finish for the clips I watched. I tuned out after the Johns Hopkins 3 qtr td. I think Stevenson can eliminate the TOs, they can get a good amount of points on the board. Defensively have to be better overall to get to the playoffs, but Johns Hopkins was a tough OOC opponent to start the season. The can compete to win the conference, but that most likely will depend on that early wk 3 matchup against Del Val. Nevertheless, I think they have to focus on RPI, who came back to beat Montclair State after Montclair State scored 3 defensive touchdowns, but couldn't do anything offensively against RPI.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: RowanPhan on September 08, 2021, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: RowanPhan on September 03, 2021, 09:57:06 AM
I was checking out the Widener roster and I was surprised to see James Gillespie still there. He torched Rowan in 2019. I assume he was granted an extra year.
Another close game in the annual Widener vs Rowan kickoff classic.

Widener's QB (Towson grad) is very talented, and ran the ball well. He made some really good reads and juked the Rowan DL on many plays.



Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 08, 2021, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: FANOFD3 on September 05, 2021, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: bman on September 05, 2021, 09:41:58 AM
Any insights on the Stevenson game?

Johns Hopkins controlled the game from start to finish for the clips I watched. I tuned out after the Johns Hopkins 3 qtr td. I think Stevenson can eliminate the TOs, they can get a good amount of points on the board. Defensively have to be better overall to get to the playoffs, but Johns Hopkins was a tough OOC opponent to start the season. The can compete to win the conference, but that most likely will depend on that early wk 3 matchup against Del Val. Nevertheless, I think they have to focus on RPI, who came back to beat Montclair State after Montclair State scored 3 defensive touchdowns, but couldn't do anything offensively against RPI.

Thanks!   Just very surprised at the lopsided score...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 08, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: RowanPhan on September 08, 2021, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: RowanPhan on September 03, 2021, 09:57:06 AM
I was checking out the Widener roster and I was surprised to see James Gillespie still there. He torched Rowan in 2019. I assume he was granted an extra year.
Another close game in the annual Widener vs Rowan kickoff classic.

Widener's QB (Towson grad) is very talented, and ran the ball well. He made some really good reads and juked the Rowan DL on many plays.

The QB in question is Triston Harris from Dover High (where I teach). Has a great head on his shoulders, intelligent and athletic. I believe he started a few games for Towson. He could propel the Widener back up the MAC standings as a clear number two behind Del Val.

As for Stevenson, I think we all expected a better showing. But I also think the Centennial might be the strongest conference in Region 2, headed by Hopkins, Muhlenberg and Susquehanna.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 12, 2021, 08:26:01 PM
Congrats to Coach R. at FDU on his first win!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 14, 2021, 10:29:04 PM
Hello,

I was just lurking on the site again... and see that the MAC is now in "Region 1 New England-ish"?  That is certainly a very interesting take on geography, considering the conference doesn't have a football playing school north of Dallas, PA.  Call it what you wish, but New England-ish is a REAL big stretch. ???
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2021, 12:56:47 PM
Quote from: bill on September 14, 2021, 10:29:04 PM
Hello,

I was just lurking on the site again... and see that the MAC is now in "Region 1 New England-ish"?  That is certainly a very interesting take on geography, considering the conference doesn't have a football playing school north of Dallas, PA.  Call it what you wish, but New England-ish is a REAL big stretch. ???

Bill,

Exactly why I put "-ish" in the title.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
Welcome to Division III football, Eatern!
https://d3football.com/notables/2021/09/eastern-adding-football

(Finally! We've been hearing about this for years.)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on September 15, 2021, 05:30:46 PM
in keeping with the recent nomenclature updates, they're gonna have to change their name to Region 1ern

MAC will have 12 teams, right? Divisions and a conference championship game like the dearly departed NEFC?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Inkblot on September 15, 2021, 06:38:39 PM
There'll be six football schools in each subconference, so that'd be a natural way to set up divisions. Albright, Alvernia, Eastern, Lebanon Valley, Stevenson, Widener in the Commonwealth; Delaware Valley, FDU Florham, King's, Lycoming, Misericordia, Wilkes in the Freedom.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on September 16, 2021, 10:04:27 AM
Can any MAC posters explain how the conference currently decides which two team a particular schools doesn't play in any given year.

The PAC will soon have 11 teams again, so I was curious if there is a formula based on team strength (which the NCAC used when it didn't have a complete round-robin) or does it just rotate? An schedule that isn't a full-round robin can have a problem when the top three or four teams don't all play each other.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 16, 2021, 11:43:01 AM
ADL70,

The MAC used to use a rotating schedule...but I haven't been involved in over six years now - so I don't know! Sorry...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2021, 11:44:29 AM
There is intent behind the schedule but I don't know what the details are.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 16, 2021, 08:21:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2021, 11:44:29 AM
There is intent behind the schedule but I don't know what the details are.
Well I hope there is intent Pat...otherwise, they will have to bring out their magic dart board again!😆
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on September 21, 2021, 06:36:19 PM
...and I got crap for not posting???😆😆😆😂
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 25, 2021, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: bman on September 21, 2021, 06:36:19 PM
...and I got crap for not posting???😆😆😆😂

An experiment bman. I was wondering who might come out of the shadows with JC (not THAT JC!! ;) ) on the lamb. No LycoSimba, the Wilkes guy (forget his name), the Stevenson kid (forget his name........and 0-3 ain't helping ;) who would make weekly and season predictions) Even Kate has disappeared!! I thought we'd get a few of the Wesley gang, including Wesleydad, but they have pretty much dried up.

I did tell you that expectations were high for both Widener and Lycoming this year, given the number of 5th (and 6th) year returning players and some transfers. It's looking like the insiders in both programs who told me so are spot on.

Time to hide again...................to see who might come out (my guess is on Simba if Lycoming keeps rolling ;) )
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 25, 2021, 03:01:57 PM
Lycoming will be a tough test for Del Val next week up in Williamsport.   Good Luck Aggies!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on September 26, 2021, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 25, 2021, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: bman on September 21, 2021, 06:36:19 PM
...and I got crap for not posting???😆😆😆😂

An experiment bman. I was wondering who might come out of the shadows with JC (not THAT JC!! ;) ) on the lamb. No LycoSimba, the Wilkes guy (forget his name), the Stevenson kid (forget his name........and 0-3 ain't helping ;) who would make weekly and season predictions) Even Kate has disappeared!! I thought we'd get a few of the Wesley gang, including Wesleydad, but they have pretty much dried up.

I did tell you that expectations were high for both Widener and Lycoming this year, given the number of 5th (and 6th) year returning players and some transfers. It's looking like the insiders in both programs who told me so are spot on.

Time to hide again...................to see who might come out (my guess is on Simba if Lycoming keeps rolling ;) )

You rang for the Wilkes guy, jmcozenlaw?  ;D

Good to see some familiar faces back for another season of MAC football!

I've been in attendance for the first two home games for Wilkes (a family commitment kept me from attending the Misericordia game). Planning to attend many of the remaining games, including some of the road trips.

So far, I've been impressed with the young talent that has stepped forward on both sides of the ball for the Colonels. Still lots of room to grow, and the schedule gets tougher as the season progresses, but I like the direction that Wilkes is headed in as we enter October.

I encourage the other MAC observers to not overlook the Colonels; as I've mentioned on here before, my mind always harkens back to what a veteran player told me during my first training camp with the team in 2004: Every game in the MAC is a good one.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 26, 2021, 11:29:11 AM
Lookie here, the experiment is working!!! Kate AND G-manWU!! Now, after Lycoming's win at Stevenson, does Simba come out of the Witness Protection Program..........or does he wait until after the DelVal game, depending on the outcome?? My guess.........a Lyco win and he reappears ;)

My "insiders" seem to be correct about the very high expectations this year up at Lycoming and down at Widener. Also, the coaches picked Wilkes right after DelVal and Stevenson, so I do expect a great season out of them and a very tough game up there for my adopted Aggies in the second to last week of the season. Tabora has been there forever and has given the Aggies fits. No excuses for Widener, at home, against DelVal this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 02, 2021, 06:11:55 PM
Wow...
Break up the Devils ::)

Raise your hand if you had FDU winning 3 games all year. Congrats to FDU!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on October 03, 2021, 06:08:53 PM
Quote from: bill on October 02, 2021, 06:11:55 PM
Wow...
Break up the Devils ::)

Raise your hand if you had FDU winning 3 games all year. Congrats to FDU!

I can't say, but they really took care of Widener.

However, came on the board to say how impress I was with Del Val defense. I watch the game from late 2nd qtr on and that Defense hit a switch similar to that UMHB switch they had last week and totally dominated. Had they put together a full game of that, it would have been really ugly. Kudos to Lycoming for playing great 1st half.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 09, 2021, 03:48:56 PM
Congrats again to the Devils....4-1...that is easily one of the best 3/4 starts in school history.

I have not watched a single snap live...but have to think next week against Del Val will be an even better benchmark to measure this team against....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 10, 2021, 09:56:44 AM
Quote from: bill on October 09, 2021, 03:48:56 PM
Congrats again to the Devils....4-1...that is easily one of the best 3/4 starts in school history.

I have not watched a single snap live...but have to think next week against Del Val will be an even better benchmark to measure this team against....

Hats off to the Devils Bill; looking forward to them continuing to build the program.

It looks to be another great season of MAC football; I'm thrilled to see the Colonels off to a strong start this year. While I was unable to make it to Albright this Saturday for the come-from-behind win, I was in the house for the homecoming win over Stevenson last week. A special shout-out to senior quarterback Jose Tabora for becoming the program's all-time leader in passing yards, as documented by this nice feature from WBERE/WYOU:

https://www.pahomepage.com/sports/tabora-sets-record-as-wilkes-starts-season-with-four-straight-wins/
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2021, 01:09:20 PM
King's had the brilliant idea of trash talking DelVal on social media.........and Wilkes has already started weeks before the game (and the DelVal staff and players are aware).

I don't think that FDU will go down that path. If FDU is ever going to beat DelVal, this is the year. They have a tremendous passing offensive, a good run offense, a solid defense (against a mediocre DelVal offense) and they are getting DelVal at home on a Saturday afternoon (vs. the Friday night games which have usually been over by the middle of the second quarter. It should be........AND needs to be a great game.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2021, 01:09:20 PM
King's had the brilliant idea of trash talking DelVal on social media.........and Wilkes has already started weeks before the game (and the DelVal staff and players are aware).

You have a link on that? All I've seen is the postgame results.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 11, 2021, 07:59:35 PM
I would seriously hope FDU doesn't go down that path! When your high water mark for wins in the past 20 years is 4 games, you really should continue to relish the underdog role...try to hide in the weeds, and pounce when they aren't paying too much attention :D

edit - I forgot about 2018, when they actually won 6 games ::)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 12, 2021, 09:58:03 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2021, 01:09:20 PM
King's had the brilliant idea of trash talking DelVal on social media.........and Wilkes has already started weeks before the game (and the DelVal staff and players are aware).

You have a link on that? All I've seen is the postgame results.

No link, but mentioned by several players (I've got too much grey in my hair to keep up with the newer social media apps). Apparently an ex-DVU player on the Wilkes staff has put out the fire...............as he probably realizes it is insane to poke the bear who is probably going to tear you apart anyway...........and that's without the trash talk ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 13, 2021, 10:06:12 AM
Noticing that the FDU/Del Val game is listed on the FDU site for 12 noon and all other sites have it listed at 1.   Well, regardless of time, this long standing Aggie fan is truly looking forward to that game.   I might add, too, congratulations to FDU on a hard-fought battle last Saturday with Leb Val!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 16, 2021, 08:14:09 PM
Well,

I can only see the final score...but it looks like FDU was not much of a test for Del Val today!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2021, 09:01:19 PM
Quote from: bill on October 16, 2021, 08:14:09 PM
Well,

I can only see the final score...but it looks like FDU was not much of a test for Del Val today!

Bill, I was not at the game (neither were many FDU fans) but watched on the computer and I have to say that the final result blew me away. This was set up for FDU to take a big step up.

The Aggies lost the D3 Defensive Player of the Year (Mike Nobile) in the first quarter to a likely season ending injury. The team was deflated at that point.

The Aggies took their foot off the gas and could have scored in the 80's if they wanted. FDU's much heralded offense looked brutal. I've seen much better FDU offenses over many years. Take away a bobbled punt returned by the punter (and backup QB) for 48 yards (counted as rushing yards) and a meaningless 58 yard TD pass against the Aggies 2nd/3rd team defense in garbage time.........and the Devils had 36 total yards ON 49 PLAYS!!!!

The new head coach also poked the bear when he spoke negatively about the Aggies on a podcast (Pat, will get you the info if still available). Rookie mistake I guess.

I didn't see this coming, especially after last week's Devils 27-3 pasting of Widener, on the road.

It was butt ugly for sure. The Devils players had zero idea what hit them and the QB was shellshocked.................and that was without Nobile.

You didn't miss much!!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 17, 2021, 06:55:08 PM
Pat, your "interest" in seeing how the "unstoppable force" (aka FDU offense) would do against the "immovable object" (aka DVU defense) was interesting..................until about slightly after the national anthem ended. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2021, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 17, 2021, 06:55:08 PM
Pat, your "interest" in seeing how the "unstoppable force" (aka FDU offense) would do against the "immovable object" (aka DVU defense) was interesting..................until about slightly after the national anthem ended. ;)

I'm reminded of the Charlie Brown comic where he talks about, for one brief moment, victory was within our grasp ... and then the game started.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 18, 2021, 10:13:27 AM
Let me catch up...

Bill
Congrats of the FDU Widener win.  I saw coach's press conference the week after.  He acknowledged that FDU punched WU in the mouth and then continued pummeling them from there...

too bad you couldn't continue the momentum... ;)

Unfortunately this is who WU has been for the last 10 years...Win one game you aren't supposed to win, and lose one you aren't supposed to lose...(The loss to Misericordia comes to mind).  The lack of consistency just continues.  Hopefully that goes away in the long run.

We will see who WU really is, since the next 3 weeks are Stevenson, Lyco and Del Val...

JC
Was it someone from the Kings program posting things on Social Media?  can you send a link to the posts?

I would think the coaches/administration would have a problem with that...  most are advised even to stay off these boards...



Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 26, 2021, 07:35:22 PM
I hope everyone has been enjoying the season to date; looks like another fun year of MAC football with lots of exciting contests (and some interesting surprises!) in the mix.

Great to see Wilkes bounce back from a loss at Widener with a win over an always-tough Lebanon Valley team. The result has helped the Colonels into the position of receiving votes in the latest D3Football.com poll. That may not seem like a big deal to fans of some teams, but it represents another great step forward for a program that went winless in 2017:

https://gowilkesu.com/news/2021/10/25/wilkes-football-receiving-votes-in-latest-d3football-com-top-25-poll.aspx

I was not in the house for the last Wilkes win (as I normally attend a game at West Point each year, I was at Michie Stadium for the shootout between Army and Wake Forest) but I am hoping to make each of the remaining three games in person. Three unique and incredibly challenging tests remain for the Colonels; each is a great chance to test how the team rises to the occasion.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 28, 2021, 03:02:31 PM
Del Val has three tough games coming up - this Saturday is Home Coming with Lebanon Valley and they play to win each and every week!   Then on Nov. 6 they have Wilkes up in Wilkes Barre and the Colonels are just plain GOOD!   And, last, we finish up with Widener who always comes out fighting hard.   Good Luck these next three weeks Aggies, and yes, i know, one game at a time!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 31, 2021, 11:24:44 AM
Just have to say that i love listening to Gordon Mann's call of the game.   Congrats to our Aggies for their Homecoming win yesterday, and Best of Luck in  Wilkes Barre next Saturday.   Those Colonels are tough!   Hope that you're all a little tougher!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2021, 12:28:57 PM
Thanks, Kate.

Glad you enjoyed the broadcast.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 04, 2021, 08:44:22 AM
In the Regional Rankings article, it would be wonderful if the proper spelling of DELAWARE VALLEY was posted!    Thanks to the powers that be who will be fixing this.    Best of luck to Del Val as they take on Wilkes this Saturday!    No matter the sport, the Colonels always play us hard.    Go Aggies!    Is CJ too busy these days to follow the Colonels?   He's missed!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2021, 05:48:01 PM
Before the season, I mentioned how Lycoming and Widener were veteran teams whose coaches were expecting a lot out of them. It's kind of played out that way with Lycoming and to a lesser extent, Widener.

We'll see if Widener's 1-AA transfer QB, throwing to a 6th or 7th year WR (Gillespie), along with experienced RB's and OLinemen, can move the ball on DelVal.

The weather might really impact this game and that bodes much better for Widener than it is does for DelVal.

Should be a very close rivalry game. I can't remember the last time that DelVal had the MAC wrapped up before this final game against Widener. Let's see if it takes some of the starch out of them.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 14, 2021, 11:52:45 AM
I think that DelVal's dominance has chased away most of the remaining MAC posters. I wasn't at the game yesterday but watched it online. It was 21-0 before the bad weather kicked in and could have been 35-0. I really thought that Widener would give them a better game. Many of the their biggest studs on defense are back next year and some of the freshmen who got quality time will benefit greatly with an offseason in the weight room and will be ready to fill in for those graduating.

The biggest shame is that I have no doubt that they would have had an undefeated 2020, thus, a fifth straight undefeated MAC Championship in 2021 and a 44 game (instead of the current 36) conference winning streak. Whenever it ends, I don't think the undefeated MAC Championship streak and the conference winning streak not only ever get beaten, I'm pretty sure it becomes a Cal Ripken type consecutive games played streak. Never to be beaten and never to be approached within light years away.

Great job DelVal. You are everybody's Super Bowl game, the hunted...........and the ship keeps on sailing, through injuries and graduation!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 16, 2021, 01:34:52 PM
Will Gordon be doing the play by play for the Aggie/Anna Maria game on Saturday?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 16, 2021, 09:17:40 PM
And who will be doing the eulogy?  ;)That will be a slaughter....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 17, 2021, 09:13:43 AM
Kinda funny, Bill, but let's not get them more riled up then i'm sure they already are!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 17, 2021, 07:21:14 PM
 ;D
And just to be clear - I believe Del Val will be the winner in this one.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 20, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
Can't claim I was surprised...congrats to Del Val. New England football - at both the D3 and HS levels - is NOT strong.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 22, 2021, 11:05:54 AM
Disclaimer: My comments about New England D3 football DO NOT include the NESCAC...which has very strong football, and I would love to see them compete for the title. They seem to win National Titles in every other sport...yet seem married to an even more bizarre closed football approach than the Ivies!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 22, 2021, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: bill on November 22, 2021, 11:05:54 AM
Disclaimer: My comments about New England D3 football DO NOT include the NESCAC...which has very strong football, and I would love to see them compete for the title. They seem to win National Titles in every other sport...yet seem married to an even more bizarre closed football approach than the Ivies!

When you have a national footprint for recruiting...................you'd better win some national titles in some sports! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 26, 2021, 05:59:32 PM
Since the board has dried up after yet another DelVal sweep through the conference, I'm checking out at this point as well.

Congrats to my adopted Aggies on another undefeated romp through the MAC.

Who knows when this historic winning streak finally ends? Whenever it does though, I don't see it ever getting threatened.

Go DelVal!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 27, 2021, 10:45:26 AM
Chilly and windy day for both Teams, but we sure hope that you prevail - GO DEL VAL - beat those Mules!!! >:(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on January 24, 2022, 10:21:02 PM
Alvernia hires Steve Azzanesi as Head Coach. Right guy in the right spot... Alvernia won a game today.

https://auwolves.com/news/2022/1/24/alvernia-names-steve-azzanesi-as-next-head-football-coach.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2022, 03:10:20 PM
Movement at FDU as well:
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/01/robertson-out-at-fdu
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on January 28, 2022, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: thewaterboy on January 24, 2022, 10:21:02 PM
Alvernia hires Steve Azzanesi as Head Coach. Right guy in the right spot... Alvernia won a game today.

https://auwolves.com/news/2022/1/24/alvernia-names-steve-azzanesi-as-next-head-football-coach.aspx

They must have been playing Albright or FDU in that case:)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 31, 2022, 11:20:01 AM
I couple of months ago I did a random search on Wikipedia.  The Middle Atlantic Conference came up.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 03, 2022, 06:54:26 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 31, 2022, 11:20:01 AM
I couple of months ago I did a random search on Wikipedia.  The Middle Atlantic Conference came up.

I did a random search of irrelevant NFL teams of the past quarter century. The Dallas Cowboys came up. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
This is coming -- schools leaving the MAC for football for the Landmark, which would have enough for an automatic bid.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jknezek on February 09, 2022, 04:47:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
This is coming -- schools leaving the MAC for football for the Landmark, which would have enough for an automatic bid.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

You would think Catholic would be licking their chops... I wonder if Wilkes will be willing to give up their traditional rivalries. My parents are Wilkes alums and Dad remembers games and wrestling matches against Del Val, Leb Val and Lycoming back in the early 70s. And that says nothing about Kings... which is literally steps away campus wise and a big rivalry.


Pulled this from the Centennial and moved it here where it actually makes sense....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on February 10, 2022, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
This is coming -- schools leaving the MAC for football for the Landmark, which would have enough for an automatic bid.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

What eventual impact will this have on the NJAC? Will Salisbury and possibly CNU move to a newly formed MAC Commonwealth Football Conference? Does the NJAC try to snag FDU to retain six members or try to get WEST CONN. How does Merchant Marine and Catholic affect the NEWMAC?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2022, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: FANOFD3 on February 10, 2022, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
This is coming -- schools leaving the MAC for football for the Landmark, which would have enough for an automatic bid.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

What eventual impact will this have on the NJAC? Will Salisbury and possibly CNU move to a newly formed MAC Commonwealth Football Conference? Does the NJAC try to snag FDU to retain six members or try to get WEST CONN. How does Merchant Marine and Catholic affect the NEWMAC?

Merchant Marine isn't leaving the NEWMAC. Merchant Marine isn't a Landmark member any longer. The NEWMAC would still have six -- SUNY-Maritime is coming in to replace Maine Maritime.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 10, 2022, 04:15:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2022, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: FANOFD3 on February 10, 2022, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
This is coming -- schools leaving the MAC for football for the Landmark, which would have enough for an automatic bid.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

What eventual impact will this have on the NJAC? Will Salisbury and possibly CNU move to a newly formed MAC Commonwealth Football Conference? Does the NJAC try to snag FDU to retain six members or try to get WEST CONN. How does Merchant Marine and Catholic affect the NEWMAC?

Merchant Marine isn't leaving the NEWMAC. Merchant Marine isn't a Landmark member any longer. The NEWMAC would still have six -- SUNY-Maritime is coming in to replace Maine Maritime.

Pat and especially Gordon Mann (given his MAC knowledge)............help me with this. Fast forward to the 2023 Football Season. The MAC is down Wilkes and Lycoming, but adds Eastern, so they are down 1 and will be sitting at 10 football playing schools.

Currently, each MAC team does NOT play two other MAC teams. If there is no other conference roulette in the near term, does it make more sense to (A) Play the other 9 MAC teams and have 1 OOC game or (B) Go hunting for 2 more teams (I can think of an NJAC or two who might jump quickly) and form two, 6 team divisions with a championship game or (C) Play 8 out of the 9 MAC teams and maintain the current 2 OOC games.

I'd imagine things need to move fairly quickly for all of the 2023 Fall sports, especially if the MAC is making outgoing calls (or more likely, taking incoming calls) as they need to decide what they'd like to do for scheduling at least for 2023..........my angle being oriented around football vs. soccer and field hockey.

Death, taxes, moronic politicians and conference roulette...............four of the certainties in our lives!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on February 12, 2022, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
This is coming -- schools leaving the MAC for football for the Landmark, which would have enough for an automatic bid.
https://d3football.com/notables/2022/02/landmark-to-add-two-take-football-automatic-bid

Wow...talk about a seismic shift for Wilkes athletics!!!

I was taken completely by surprise by this move, but overall I think it's a good one for the Colonels, especially in football.

I'm delighted to see Moravian, Juniata, and Susquehanna return to the schedule. All three are familiar opponents that have a history of highly competitive matchups with Wilkes, as well as great campus settings and local amenities...I'm looking forward to the road trips already! The Colonels hosted Catholic for a scrimmage last spring, apparently as a preview of things to come. It will be good to have a conference opponent in a different market, making an overnight trip a feature of the schedule for players and fans.

The biggest drawback (by far) is not having King's as a conference opponent anymore. The Mayor's Cup game serves not just as a highlight of the season for players, but as a rallying point and source of pride for program alumni. I've often thought it as a great display of sportsmanship, with both teams assembling at midfield after the game, the Mayor of Wilkes-Barre presenting the winning team with the trophy, and an MVP from both teams being named. I'd hope that it continues as a non-conference game, preferably as the last game of the regular season (I wonder what Moravian and Muhlenberg will do with their rivalry as well.) Hopefully some of the other MAC teams (I'd particularly like to see Misericordia and Lebanon Valley) find their way onto the Colonels schedule as well.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on February 14, 2022, 12:49:15 PM
Fanof D3

There's no way FDU wants to be in the NJAC. Expensive private school competing with state schools...FDU will get pummeled in that conference in multiple sports on both sides...not that they are tearing up the MAC.

When I was working at FDU, we would have to explain this all the time!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2022, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: bill on February 14, 2022, 12:49:15 PM
Fanof D3

There's no way FDU wants to be in the NJAC. Expensive private school competing with state schools...FDU will get pummeled in that conference in multiple sports on both sides...not that they are tearing up the MAC.

When I was working at FDU, we would have to explain this all the time!

NJAC would also have to vote to accept a private institution ... considering it is a state-only conference. It is likely they could vote that way, but it is a hurdle worth considering.

Per the comment earlier about CNU and Salisbury joining the MAC ... in a word: no.

I don't see a majority (or any) MAC schools wanting CNU and Salisbury in the conference. The size of the conference also doesn't necessitate it happening. Football only... MAYBE if they REALLY want to get to 12 and split into Commonwealth and Freedom, BUT it means putting two very good programs at the top and making it just as hard for those in the middle and below to try and succeed.

I just don't see the MAC having any interest.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 18, 2022, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2022, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: bill on February 14, 2022, 12:49:15 PM
Fanof D3

There's no way FDU wants to be in the NJAC. Expensive private school competing with state schools...FDU will get pummeled in that conference in multiple sports on both sides...not that they are tearing up the MAC.

When I was working at FDU, we would have to explain this all the time!

NJAC would also have to vote to accept a private institution ... considering it is a state-only conference. It is likely they could vote that way, but it is a hurdle worth considering.

Per the comment earlier about CNU and Salisbury joining the MAC ... in a word: no.

I don't see a majority (or any) MAC schools wanting CNU and Salisbury in the conference. The size of the conference also doesn't necessitate it happening. Football only... MAYBE if they REALLY want to get to 12 and split into Commonwealth and Freedom, BUT it means putting two very good programs at the top and making it just as hard for those in the middle and below to try and succeed.

I just don't see the MAC having any interest.

I agree about CNU and Salisbury. I will be interested to see with 10 MAC football playing schools in 2023 if they decide to do away with the "don't play 2 teams in the conference every year" and go to a play all 9 teams and 1 OOC game.

The not playing two conference teams can turn around and bite the conference in the keyster. Just a couple of years ago, Misericordia was "undefeated" (because DelVal and Stevenson were not on their schedule) going into their last game with Lycoming. Thankfully, Lycoming beat Misericordia (DelVal and Stevenson would have both pole axed them) and DelVal won the conference outright vs. a phony sharing of the MAC championship.

What is more important?............the integrity of a true conference champion (by playing all of the other 9 teams in the MAC) OR playing one less MAC team, than the 9, to keep 2 OOC's. I know how DelVal and Stevenson might think, but to keep that wacky Misericordia near accident from ever happening, I lean towards playing all 9 conference members and sacrificing 1 of the 2 OOC games.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on May 20, 2022, 03:01:53 PM
Good to see that Stevenson has posted their schedule to officially indicate that they will be playing Salisbury. This is a big game for the schools as both recruit the same H.S. players within the DMV. Not sure why it took so long for them to play each other, don't like it when regional schools go so long without playing each other.  Salisbury needs to post their schedule, we know the full slate and 3/4th of its OOC opponents have already posted on their website, with the exception of Albright, which DIII already has 80% of it's schedule...come on!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BullfrogAggie on June 11, 2022, 06:04:31 PM
Hello there! I didn't know there were message boards for D3 football! Nice to meet you all and I can't wait to talk D3 :) go Del Val!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 12, 2022, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: BullfrogAggie on June 11, 2022, 06:04:31 PM
Hello there! I didn't know there were message boards for D3 football! Nice to meet you all and I can't wait to talk D3 :) go Del Val!

Happy to have you on board!! I know that the Aggies lost a ton of starters and depth (I think that 39 seniors walked on Senior Day and used up all of their eligibility), including all of their starting linebackers and half of the secondary on defense.........as well as 3 or 4 starting offensive linemen, their top 2 QB's, top RB (Simmons), two of their top WR's (Davis and Nelson) and both TE's. It should be interesting to see how the Aggies reload. Is this the season that veteran teams like Stevenson, Widener and Lycoming take down a weakened Aggies team? We'll soon see!! I'm a Swarthmore guy who adopted the Aggies when we dropped football and when I also moved the family to Doylestown to practice law. Can't wait for the upcoming season!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BullfrogAggie on June 13, 2022, 12:21:32 AM
Yeah it should be interesting! I actually really like Stevenson this season. Lycoming and Widener I'm kind of pessimistic on but I'm biased so I guess that means nothing lol

Of course, I'm picking my Aggies to win the MAC. But, if I was forced to pick someone else, I think you got to like Stevenson's chances this season. But I just trust coach Greco's staff too much to be able to reload and be fine. Of course I'm not expecting to have just as good of a defense we had last season because that's incredibly unlikely, but I am hoping that it continues to be feared by other teams and has another great season :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on June 13, 2022, 09:27:16 AM
Quote from: BullfrogAggie on June 11, 2022, 06:04:31 PM
Hello there! I didn't know there were message boards for D3 football! Nice to meet you all and I can't wait to talk D3 :) go Del Val!

Welcome to the Boards. It's amazing that the board isn't pushed for Alumni by schools in general, especially considering the promotion the site does for all of DIII. I know coaches do not want players on the site, but still, I was fortunate to find the site myself. I've learned so much about many teams and players over the years. Again, welcome!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BullfrogAggie on June 13, 2022, 02:50:40 PM
Welcome to the Boards. It's amazing that the board isn't pushed for Alumni by schools in general, especially considering the promotion the site does for all of DIII. I know coaches do not want players on the site, but still, I was fortunate to find the site myself. I've learned so much about many teams and players over the years. Again, welcome!
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Thanks! And I didn't know coaches didn't want players on these message boards. Do you know their reasons on why the players can't look here?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on June 13, 2022, 04:18:27 PM
Quote from: BullfrogAggie on June 13, 2022, 02:50:40 PM
Welcome to the Boards. It's amazing that the board isn't pushed for Alumni by schools in general, especially considering the promotion the site does for all of DIII. I know coaches do not want players on the site, but still, I was fortunate to find the site myself. I've learned so much about many teams and players over the years. Again, welcome!

Thanks! And I didn't know coaches didn't want players on these message boards. Do you know their reasons on why the players can't look here?
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For years, on several different social media platforms (primarily Twitter), many MAC players have talked smack to the Aggies players, trying to get in their heads and cause the unsportsmanlike penalty flags to fly on Saturday's (which works from time to time by the way).

Ex-Aggie coaches who are at other MAC schools (King's, Wilkes and Widener in particular) tell their players to not get involved or else (yet, it still happens). The Aggies rarely start it as they do their talking on the field.

Leading up to last November's game in Doylestown, several Widener players went on an ill-conceived, social media tirade. Younger fans familiar with that platform (I am not one of them and had no clue) saw it, made posters with the offenders pictures and comments and rode the players all game. The defensive lineman who was the chief instigator got routinely pummeled one-on-one and by a couple of Aggies (zero low bridges though) play, after play, after play. He was so concerned with self preservation that his gap control became affected and the Aggies ran the ball right at him. They knew exactly what was said (as did the coaches), who said what and exacted due punishment between the lines. The player was pretty embarrassed after the game, so I was told, as Tarzan didn't live up to his bark. He looked the part and talked the part..........but played like Jane, not Tarzan!!

I'm not sure how many coaches peek in here from time to time..........but I know that they want their players nowhere near it, especially the mouthy types who could put their teammates in danger. Most times, it's not the starters who do the talking. Most of them know better from past beatings!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: BullfrogAggie on June 13, 2022, 06:08:32 PM
Wow I feel embarrassed to admit I've never heard of this story! Thank you so much for sharing. That's such a Del Val thing to let the talking happen on the field rather on social media. The opponents players deserved it, especially when they're a rival 8-)

So proud of my boys and this coaching staff. Hopefully those widener players learned a valuable lesson though LOL
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on July 05, 2022, 01:39:24 PM
FYI... DVC sched is out... Rolling for 5 straight... PBR out
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on July 07, 2022, 04:59:48 PM
Quote from: PBR... on July 05, 2022, 01:39:24 PM
FYI... DVC sched is out... Rolling for 5 straight... PBR out

If they can do that after seeing 39 seniors walk..........THAT would be remarkable. I think the Aggies current MAC winning streak and consecutive undefeated MAC Championships will never be eclipsed.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on August 28, 2022, 12:58:20 PM
An interesting development: Former Wesley RB EJ Lee is on the roster for Alvernia.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on August 29, 2022, 02:48:19 PM
Hi Pollster's, just wanted to extend an invitation to join the ERFP for this upcoming season. We will continue to do R1/R2. Feel free to DM or respond here if interested. I'll reach out to last year participants to gauge any interest as well.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 03, 2022, 03:02:42 PM
Congratulations Del Val on that first big win of the season - Del Val 22/Westminster 8!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on September 05, 2022, 12:17:11 PM
Not a terrible showing for Steve Azzanesi's Alvernia debut compared to the whomping the Golden Wolves took last year to Ursinus. Within 11 points at halftime, just didn't have the defense there to stop Ursinus' offense. This is just the beginning... big things are on the way for the Golden Wolves.

Solid day for former Wesley tailback EJ Lee. 1 touchdown on the ground. 64 receiving yards and 24 more on the ground.

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 05, 2022, 12:45:38 PM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 05, 2022, 12:17:11 PM
Not a terrible showing for Steve Azzanesi's Alvernia debut compared to the whomping the Golden Wolves took last year to Ursinus. Within 11 points at halftime, just didn't have the defense there to stop Ursinus' offense. This is just the beginning... big things are on the way for the Golden Wolves.

Solid day for former Wesley tailback EJ Lee. 1 touchdown on the ground. 64 receiving yards and 24 more on the ground.

I agree, Coach Azzanesi can have a tremendous effect on the trajectory of Alvernia. With Albright bringing in Issac Collins, who was responsible for bringing in a few talented Widener classes that led Widener's most recent successful seasons, the MAC can get back to being one of the top conferences within R1/R2. Also, if Coach Azzanesi with administrative support similar to the Mike Drass era Wesley program, the sky is the limit, Wesley was always able to take advantage of both DMV, PA, and NJ, somewhat to what Muhlenberg is doing now.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 05, 2022, 11:30:14 PM

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I agree, Coach Azzanesi can have a tremendous effect on the trajectory of Alvernia. With Albright bringing in Issac Collins, who was responsible for bringing in a few talented Widener classes that led Widener's most recent successful seasons, the MAC can get back to being one of the top conferences within R1/R2. Also, if Coach Azzanesi with administrative support similar to the Mike Drass era Wesley program, the sky is the limit, Wesley was always able to take advantage of both DMV, PA, and NJ, somewhat to what Muhlenberg is doing now.
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Wow! Excited to read that, and happy for Ike. I had the pleasure of coaching with him for a few years at Lehigh a while back...and he is a classy guy who certainly knows his defense. While I will always root for FDU, I always hope any team Ike coaches does well.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 09, 2022, 09:14:30 AM
Programming note for a few folks on here...

I'm not covering tomorrow's Del Val/Montclair State game because of facility limitations at Montclair. You can watch the game on Montclair's video feed. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwSTc1s0iwo) Words with pictures are usually more interesting anyway. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 09, 2022, 10:34:17 AM
Thanks Gordon - i'll miss your call of the game!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on September 10, 2022, 05:31:34 PM
Break up the Devils!

Congrats to the "new" staff and players...keep the bus moving forward.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 12, 2022, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: bill on September 10, 2022, 05:31:34 PM
Break up the Devils!

Congrats to the "new" staff and players...keep the bus moving forward.

Bill - This might be the year that FDU picks off the Aggies (with a new coach who won't say crazy stuff the week of their game to get the Aggies all riled up:)

We're seeing the effects of DelVal losing 37 seniors to graduation. On defense, all 3 starting LB's and both starting CB's........but especially on the offensive side of the ball with 4 new OL's, 2 new QB's, 2 new WR's, not having any TE's and losing their best RB (Simmons).

IF FDU, Stevenson, Widener and Lycoming don't smell blood.........they've lost their sense of smell. Should the Aggies win the MAC this year, it might be their biggest accomplishment in this insanely dominating run in the MAC.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 12, 2022, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 12, 2022, 09:04:13 AM
Quote from: bill on September 10, 2022, 05:31:34 PM
Break up the Devils!

Congrats to the "new" staff and players...keep the bus moving forward.

Bill - This might be the year that FDU picks off the Aggies (with a new coach who won't say crazy stuff the week of their game to get the Aggies all riled up:)

We're seeing the effects of DelVal losing 37 seniors to graduation. On defense, all 3 starting LB's and both starting CB's on defense.........but especially on the offensive side of the ball with 4 new OL's, 2 new QB's, 2 new WR's, not having any TE's and losing their best RB (Simmons).

IF FDU, Stevenson, Widener and Lycoming don't smell blood.........they've lost their sense of smell. Should the Aggies win the MAC this year, it might be their biggest accomplishment in this insanely dominating run in the MAC.

I share this same sentiment with Salisbury. Stevenson was able to take advantage of Salisbury youth on both sides of the ball. Salisbury only have 9 Seniors this year, with over 75% of the remaining players being Freshman and Sophmores. However, I expect programs (Salisbury and Del Val) with multiple and consecutive championships to be in reload mode and rebuild mode. Unfortunately in my Seagulls case, the youth showed with the multiple turnovers, blown coverage, and unnecessary penalties. Hopefully teams like Stevenson and others in the MAC can improve. It will only make the MAC conference better and hopefully raise the ceiling of the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on September 17, 2022, 02:39:58 PM
Nice little ball game unfolding at Stevenson. Stevenson 20, Alvernia 18 at the half...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2022, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 17, 2022, 02:39:58 PM
Nice little ball game unfolding at Stevenson. Stevenson 20, Alvernia 18 at the half...

Until the second half started and ended.........
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 17, 2022, 05:36:35 PM
It looks like Stevenson is going to be tough for everybody this season!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2022, 07:20:02 PM
Quote from: kate on September 17, 2022, 05:36:35 PM
It looks like Stevenson is going to be tough for everybody this season!

They brought the most back this year, including their 5th year QB. The Aggies have only 8 of 22 starters back from last year. Stevenson also has their toughest games at home. Advantage Mustangs.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on September 18, 2022, 06:41:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2022, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 17, 2022, 02:39:58 PM
Nice little ball game unfolding at Stevenson. Stevenson 20, Alvernia 18 at the half...

Until the second half started and ended.........
Yeah that result was kind of anticipated, but I think Alvernia is closer than expected to be in terms of being competitive in the MAC.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 20, 2022, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 18, 2022, 06:41:12 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 17, 2022, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 17, 2022, 02:39:58 PM
Nice little ball game unfolding at Stevenson. Stevenson 20, Alvernia 18 at the half...

Until the second half started and ended.........
Yeah that result was kind of anticipated, but I think Alvernia is closer than expected to be in terms of being competitive in the MAC.

I agree, although E.J. Lee has made a massive difference and he has just this year. I'm stunned that he is even still around quite frankly.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 23, 2022, 02:51:51 PM
"The Delaware Valley depth chart features just three starters on offense and four starters on defense from last year's championship team"

I saw this on the scouting report for this week's upcoming game. It speaks volumes. On their remaining schedule, every team brings back considerably more starters including Stevenson (16), Widener (15), Wilkes (13) and Lycoming (13).

This is the year for any of these teams to pick off the Aggies. Let's see who's up to the task!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 28, 2022, 09:42:17 AM
Big MAC game this Saturday between Del Val & Stevenson - any predictions?   Sure hope the hurricane doesn't hit at game time.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: MRMIKESMITH on September 28, 2022, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: kate on September 28, 2022, 09:42:17 AM
Big MAC game this Saturday between Del Val & Stevenson - any predictions?   Sure hope the hurricane doesn't hit at game time.

Took a quick look at the weather channel, I believe rain will be part of most games in the Mid-Atlantic. I know for sure it's going to play a part in Salisbury contest against Montclair State (fingers crossed).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 28, 2022, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: MRMIKESMITH on September 28, 2022, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: kate on September 28, 2022, 09:42:17 AM
Big MAC game this Saturday between Del Val & Stevenson - any predictions?   Sure hope the hurricane doesn't hit at game time.

Took a quick look at the weather channel, I believe rain will be part of most games in the Mid-Atlantic. I know for sure it's going to play a part in Salisbury contest against Montclair State (fingers crossed).

If you look at the number of returning starters for both teams, it heavily favors Stevenson. If you look at the experience of the starting QB's, again, heavy favorite to Stevenson. I'm not sure if a rainy, windy field helps anybody but the game is at Stevenson and they know the field and possible weather quirks better than the Aggies. Not picking Stevenson, but they do have all of the advantages, especially with a older QB that nobody (even Stevenson's coaches) thought was going to run it back yet again.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 01, 2022, 03:16:35 PM
First HUGE Congrats to the Del Val Aggies beating Stevenson this afternoon 26/7!!!   Next, dang it, even though the Stevenson announcers were very good, was on Facebook just now and saw that Gordon Mann's call of the game was on You Tube!   Sorry i missed that - i'm sure there were lots of happy, excited Del Val fans tuning in!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 01, 2022, 04:22:11 PM
This board has pretty much dried up with Simba, Colonel John, jknezek, bman, etc. seemingly moving on as the Aggies unprecedented run of conference dominance continues. PBR checks in once a season and Kate congratulates the Aggies. Where has everybody gone? Jknezek has already left the MAC board for the Landmark board even though Wilkes doesn't start playing there until next year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 01, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Even though i'm sure the students in the Landmark schools had very little to say back in 2005-06 about the new league's formation, i still hope that once they all come together for their football endeavor next season, that the MAC schools take em all out!!!   I will always miss Lycoming and Wilkes and to a lesser extent, Drew.   Scranton hasn't changed a bit, and the d3 sport's world still centers on them, :), but that's kind of cool.   Moravian, Elizabethtown, Susquehanna, just blend in my mind.   Don't know much about Catholic and Goucher, except i will always say that Goucher & Hood are very much alike!   I digress - this is a football site, and i'm darn proud of Del Val for their great effort this afternoon.   It was a tremendous defensive game!   Also very annoyed here tonight that our local channel 69 has completely stopped covering the Aggies.   A question of money i suppose and personnel.   Moravian and Muhlenberg are still prominently featured!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 01, 2022, 10:17:11 PM
Always seem to forget Juniata - sorry.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 04, 2022, 08:59:05 PM
Yes, board has dried up. I'm pretty sure I was one of the original users...or close to it.

Not much for me to do at this point other than lurk. I stopped working there in 2016, and no longer live in the area, so it's not easy to stay connected with what's going on there!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 09, 2022, 09:08:57 AM
O.K., so i AM Congratulating the Team and Coaches on 40 consecutive MAC wins!!!   During Gordon's call of the Game, our former S.I.D., Matt Levy, texted him to remind him that prior to 2003, the Aggies had been bottom dwellers in the MAC!   A win up in Williamsport that year started to reverse all that under G.A. Mangus.   Our current Coach, Duke Greco, has kept the ball rolling, so to speak, so YES, i do offer heart felt congrats to our Aggies!   Next weekend, a huge game for first place in the MAC with Lebanon Valley at Annville!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: G-manWU on October 10, 2022, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: kate on October 01, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Even though i'm sure the students in the Landmark schools had very little to say back in 2005-06 about the new league's formation, i still hope that once they all come together for their football endeavor next season, that the MAC schools take em all out!!!   I will always miss Lycoming and Wilkes and to a lesser extent, Drew.   Scranton hasn't changed a bit, and the d3 sport's world still centers on them, :), but that's kind of cool.   Moravian, Elizabethtown, Susquehanna, just blend in my mind.   Don't know much about Catholic and Goucher, except i will always say that Goucher & Hood are very much alike!   I digress - this is a football site, and i'm darn proud of Del Val for their great effort this afternoon.   It was a tremendous defensive game!   Also very annoyed here tonight that our local channel 69 has completely stopped covering the Aggies.   A question of money i suppose and personnel.   Moravian and Muhlenberg are still prominently featured!

Hi folks, just a check-in from one of your friendly Wilkes posters!

It's quite ironic to read Kate's quote about the students having a say about the start of the Landmark Conference way back when, as the very first story I wrote for the Wilkes Beacon student newspaper (as a junior studying communications) was about the end of the Wilkes-Scranton men's basketball rivalry as a conference contest!

As I've learned with nearly any major move in life, there are pluses and minuses to nearly every such situation. After nearly two decades around the Wilkes program, I have well-developed opinions on all of the programs that will remain in the MAC. Those thoughts are based on a variety of factors, including (but not limited to) campus environment and amenities for visiting fans, overall level of sportsmanship from players and coaches, and (especially) the behavior and conduct of fans in the stands. Of course no program (Wilkes included) is perfect, as you'll always have some eggheads in the bunch, but some programs are better than others at preventing, policing and rejecting such nonsense in their ranks.

With this in mind, there are some remaining MAC programs I'll miss greatly on the Wilkes schedule, matchups that I hope can continue in a non-conference format. Others will be missed far less...I'll leave it your good imaginations to guess what teams fit where in that mix  ;)

As for this season, I've made it to three games for the Colonels (Keystone, LVC, and Albright) and the team continues to improve and grow each week. I think the LVC game was a wakeup call for the team; it seems that the Colonels have fewer fourth and fifth-year players on their roster than other MAC teams, by my informal observations. That leads to not just less experience on the field, but less of that acquired sixth sense of other opponents around the league, tidbits like Arnold Field being a very tough place to play that the Flying Dutchmen defend with tenacity (It's my opinion from many years of Wilkes-LVC games that LVC is the toughest place in the MAC to earn a win on the road). I've been pleased to see the team move forward with the lessons from that loss to post two consecutive wins, with some very tough opponents ahead on the schedule. 

For the rest of the season, I hope to make it to the Mayor's Cup game, but the responsibilities of adulthood will probably prevent me from catching any more games this year. I'll say this to the other MAC fans - both for this season's remining games, and as long as he's playing in the league - Bohannon is a force to be reconned with. This is a big comparison, but I don't think I've seen a QB able to generate offense like that since Knoblauch's time with the Aggies.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 10, 2022, 02:58:06 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 10, 2022, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: kate on October 01, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Even though i'm sure the students in the Landmark schools had very little to say back in 2005-06 about the new league's formation, i still hope that once they all come together for their football endeavor next season, that the MAC schools take em all out!!!   I will always miss Lycoming and Wilkes and to a lesser extent, Drew.   Scranton hasn't changed a bit, and the d3 sport's world still centers on them, :), but that's kind of cool.   Moravian, Elizabethtown, Susquehanna, just blend in my mind.   Don't know much about Catholic and Goucher, except i will always say that Goucher & Hood are very much alike!   I digress - this is a football site, and i'm darn proud of Del Val for their great effort this afternoon.   It was a tremendous defensive game!   Also very annoyed here tonight that our local channel 69 has completely stopped covering the Aggies.   A question of money i suppose and personnel.   Moravian and Muhlenberg are still prominently featured!

Hi folks, just a check-in from one of your friendly Wilkes posters!

It's quite ironic to read Kate's quote about the students having a say about the start of the Landmark Conference way back when, as the very first story I wrote for the Wilkes Beacon student newspaper (as a junior studying communications) was about the end of the Wilkes-Scranton men's basketball rivalry as a conference contest!

As I've learned with nearly any major move in life, there are pluses and minuses to nearly every such situation. After nearly two decades around the Wilkes program, I have well-developed opinions on all of the programs that will remain in the MAC. Those thoughts are based on a variety of factors, including (but not limited to) campus environment and amenities for visiting fans, overall level of sportsmanship from players and coaches, and (especially) the behavior and conduct of fans in the stands. Of course no program (Wilkes included) is perfect, as you'll always have some eggheads in the bunch, but some programs are better than others at preventing, policing and rejecting such nonsense in their ranks.

With this in mind, there are some remaining MAC programs I'll miss greatly on the Wilkes schedule, matchups that I hope can continue in a non-conference format. Others will be missed far less...I'll leave it your good imaginations to guess what teams fit where in that mix  ;)

As for this season, I've made it to three games for the Colonels (Keystone, LVC, and Albright) and the team continues to improve and grow each week. I think the LVC game was a wakeup call for the team; it seems that the Colonels have fewer fourth and fifth-year players on their roster than other MAC teams, by my informal observations. That leads to not just less experience on the field, but less of that acquired sixth sense of other opponents around the league, tidbits like Arnold Field being a very tough place to play that the Flying Dutchmen defend with tenacity (It's my opinion from many years of Wilkes-LVC games that LVC is the toughest place in the MAC to earn a win on the road). I've been pleased to see the team move forward with the lessons from that loss to post two consecutive wins, with some very tough opponents on the schedule. 

For the rest of the season, I hope to make it to the Mayor's Cup game, but the responsibilities of adulthood will probably prevent me from catching any more games this year. I'll say this to the other MAC fans - both for this season's remining games, and as long as he's playing in the league - Bohannon is a force to be reconned with. This is a big comparison, but I don't think I've seen a QB able to generate offense like that since Knoblauch's time with the Aggies.

I think that you have become "the one" Wilkes poster (and a friendly one) vs. "one of your" Wilkes posters. I am a little surprised by a couple of things:

If you've been involved with Wilkes (and the MAC) for almost two decades, there is one program that has been at the top or near the top over most of that period of time..........and I think they are located in bucolic Doylestown, not in Annville ;)

Wilkes might have the least amount of 4th and 5th year players on the roster, but that didn't stop them from trouncing a far more experienced Widener team. If you are good and are better than the more experienced players, you'll see the field and that is what is happening at Wilkes. With the move to the Landmark, I expect them to battle for and win some football championships, with only Susquehanna in their way, if that program sustains what they've become.

DelVal has 7 returning starters from last year (albeit 5 are complete studs). They've worked in 15 new starters, many of whom will be back for a couple of more years. Their second teams are filled with freshmen and sophs. They are very young outside of those who took advantage of the Covid year and might still be a force come next season.

If I read you between the lines, Wilkes has a very good shot at DelVal in 2 weeks, given that size and athleticism has triumphed over experience in other games this year, as well as on the Wilkes roster. I expect a close game with and incredibly explosive Wilkes offense taking their best shot against a very good DelVal defense. It might come down to how good Wilkes defense is against a very inexperienced DelVal offense (8 new starters). Bring the kids down to Doylestown, it's a beautiful town, they'd love it!!

The other thing that has me nervous for this week's game is a combination of two things you stated: (1) LVC is the toughest place in the MAC to pick up a road win and (2) Not since Knoblauch have you seen a QB like Bohannon in terms of generating offense. Those 2 comments smell to me like an LVC victory over DelVal. Should be a great game, LVC has zero excuses, but I'll take the other side by a field goal.

I like Bohannon, but I also not only remember Knoblauch as a sophomore............I remember the offensive prowess of three other 4 year starters at DelVal: Isgro, Wilmer and Darden. If Bohannon turns out to significantly better than the three of them and nearly as good as Knoblauch, LVC has zero excuses not to win the MAC in either 2023 and/or 2024, especially without a Wilkes program on the come, moving to the Landmark and the Aggies losing their 4 defensive All-American's. They also "package" quite well and it is a very nice campus.

Nice to see you pop in. Should you see the other former MAC poster, jkeznek (or close to it).........tell him to join in here as he's kind of taken up residence on the Landmark board.........a full year before Wilkes even becomes a part of it.

Lastly, don't get offended by the folks on the Landmark hoops board who are very unhappy about Wilkes and Lycomng joining the Landmark (they fashion themselves as being NESCAC or UAA worthy). You should have seen their reaction when Keystone was brought into the conference. I thought ronk's head was going to explode. We joke with him that Lackawanna JC and Clarks Summit are next. ;)

Be good and we'll see how these next two weeks play out as DelVal goes to LVC/Bohannon and hosts that Wilkes offense the week after. Those two games will determine the MAC champion, in all likelihood.

I'm not predicting it, but I would not be surprised if DelVal gets an unprecedented 5th consecutive, undefeated MAC championship while stretching their conference winning streak to an absurd 44 games. Both streaks will end someday and I will go out on a limb and predict that neither record will ever come close to being threatened in our lifetime ;)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HSCTiger74 on October 11, 2022, 03:46:59 PM
    jmcozenlaw, you can always get a message to jknezek on the Region 3 Fan Poll board, but it's unlikely that he will show up in person at any Wilkes games as he lives in Birmingham.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2022, 05:33:49 PM
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on October 11, 2022, 03:46:59 PM
    jmcozenlaw, you can always get a message to jknezek on the Region 3 Fan Poll board, but it's unlikely that he will show up in person at any Wilkes games as he lives in Birmingham.

Not an in-person show up, a board show up as he has in past years, chatting up the Wilkes program.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HSCTiger74 on October 12, 2022, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2022, 05:33:49 PM
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on October 11, 2022, 03:46:59 PM
    jmcozenlaw, you can always get a message to jknezek on the Region 3 Fan Poll board, but it's unlikely that he will show up in person at any Wilkes games as he lives in Birmingham.

Not an in-person show up, a board show up as he has in past years, chatting up the Wilkes program.

  My mistake ... time to repeat Reading Comprehension 101. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 13, 2022, 09:21:41 AM
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on October 12, 2022, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 11, 2022, 05:33:49 PM
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on October 11, 2022, 03:46:59 PM
    jmcozenlaw, you can always get a message to jknezek on the Region 3 Fan Poll board, but it's unlikely that he will show up in person at any Wilkes games as he lives in Birmingham.

Not an in-person show up, a board show up as he has in past years, chatting up the Wilkes program.

  My mistake ... time to repeat Reading Comprehension 101.

No problemo my friend!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 16, 2022, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 10, 2022, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: kate on October 01, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Even though i'm sure the students in the Landmark schools had very little to say back in 2005-06 about the new league's formation, i still hope that once they all come together for their football endeavor next season, that the MAC schools take em all out!!!   I will always miss Lycoming and Wilkes and to a lesser extent, Drew.   Scranton hasn't changed a bit, and the d3 sport's world still centers on them, :), but that's kind of cool.   Moravian, Elizabethtown, Susquehanna, just blend in my mind.   Don't know much about Catholic and Goucher, except i will always say that Goucher & Hood are very much alike!   I digress - this is a football site, and i'm darn proud of Del Val for their great effort this afternoon.   It was a tremendous defensive game!   Also very annoyed here tonight that our local channel 69 has completely stopped covering the Aggies.   A question of money i suppose and personnel.   Moravian and Muhlenberg are still prominently featured!

Hi folks, just a check-in from one of your friendly Wilkes posters!

It's quite ironic to read Kate's quote about the students having a say about the start of the Landmark Conference way back when, as the very first story I wrote for the Wilkes Beacon student newspaper (as a junior studying communications) was about the end of the Wilkes-Scranton men's basketball rivalry as a conference contest!

As I've learned with nearly any major move in life, there are pluses and minuses to nearly every such situation. After nearly two decades around the Wilkes program, I have well-developed opinions on all of the programs that will remain in the MAC. Those thoughts are based on a variety of factors, including (but not limited to) campus environment and amenities for visiting fans, overall level of sportsmanship from players and coaches, and (especially) the behavior and conduct of fans in the stands. Of course no program (Wilkes included) is perfect, as you'll always have some eggheads in the bunch, but some programs are better than others at preventing, policing and rejecting such nonsense in their ranks.

With this in mind, there are some remaining MAC programs I'll miss greatly on the Wilkes schedule, matchups that I hope can continue in a non-conference format. Others will be missed far less...I'll leave it your good imaginations to guess what teams fit where in that mix  ;)

As for this season, I've made it to three games for the Colonels (Keystone, LVC, and Albright) and the team continues to improve and grow each week. I think the LVC game was a wakeup call for the team; it seems that the Colonels have fewer fourth and fifth-year players on their roster than other MAC teams, by my informal observations. That leads to not just less experience on the field, but less of that acquired sixth sense of other opponents around the league, tidbits like Arnold Field being a very tough place to play that the Flying Dutchmen defend with tenacity (It's my opinion from many years of Wilkes-LVC games that LVC is the toughest place in the MAC to earn a win on the road). I've been pleased to see the team move forward with the lessons from that loss to post two consecutive wins, with some very tough opponents ahead on the schedule. 

For the rest of the season, I hope to make it to the Mayor's Cup game, but the responsibilities of adulthood will probably prevent me from catching any more games this year. I'll say this to the other MAC fans - both for this season's remining games, and as long as he's playing in the league - Bohannon is a force to be reconned with. This is a big comparison, but I don't think I've seen a QB able to generate offense like that since Knoblauch's time with the Aggies.

Was not at the game yesterday, but watched DelVal stomp LebVal.........at the "toughest place to play in the MAC". Uhhhhhhhh, surely you jest. Nex t stop on this two game juggernaut is the irresistable force of the Wilkes offense vs. the immovable object of the DelVal defense (who played a bit bored yesterday). This is Wilkes best, and last shot, at slaying the Aggies.

I do like Bohannon. But to say that he might be the best QB in the MAC since DelVal's Knoblauch?!?!?! Insane!! As he finishes up his sophomore season, his passing stats are very pedestrian. I would not only take Knoblauch over him, I'd take Isgro, Wilmer and Darden. I'd also take at least one former Widener QB, the Wilkes QB who graduated last year, the current FDU QB and the current Lyco QB off of the top of my head.

He was no threat yesterday in the passing game and that's with DelVal getting zero sacks. In fact, they had a better looking passing game with #2 (Tanner) in at QB.

If Bohannon is what you say he is and will be, he must one at least one if not two MAC Championships in his final two years. Tall task. We'll see if he's up to it.

Now it's time for Wilkes. We'll see what they have in 6 days.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 23, 2022, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: G-manWU on October 10, 2022, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: kate on October 01, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Even though i'm sure the students in the Landmark schools had very little to say back in 2005-06 about the new league's formation, i still hope that once they all come together for their football endeavor next season, that the MAC schools take em all out!!!   I will always miss Lycoming and Wilkes and to a lesser extent, Drew.   Scranton hasn't changed a bit, and the d3 sport's world still centers on them, :), but that's kind of cool.   Moravian, Elizabethtown, Susquehanna, just blend in my mind.   Don't know much about Catholic and Goucher, except i will always say that Goucher & Hood are very much alike!   I digress - this is a football site, and i'm darn proud of Del Val for their great effort this afternoon.   It was a tremendous defensive game!   Also very annoyed here tonight that our local channel 69 has completely stopped covering the Aggies.   A question of money i suppose and personnel.   Moravian and Muhlenberg are still prominently featured!

Hi folks, just a check-in from one of your friendly Wilkes posters!

It's quite ironic to read Kate's quote about the students having a say about the start of the Landmark Conference way back when, as the very first story I wrote for the Wilkes Beacon student newspaper (as a junior studying communications) was about the end of the Wilkes-Scranton men's basketball rivalry as a conference contest!

As I've learned with nearly any major move in life, there are pluses and minuses to nearly every such situation. After nearly two decades around the Wilkes program, I have well-developed opinions on all of the programs that will remain in the MAC. Those thoughts are based on a variety of factors, including (but not limited to) campus environment and amenities for visiting fans, overall level of sportsmanship from players and coaches, and (especially) the behavior and conduct of fans in the stands. Of course no program (Wilkes included) is perfect, as you'll always have some eggheads in the bunch, but some programs are better than others at preventing, policing and rejecting such nonsense in their ranks.

With this in mind, there are some remaining MAC programs I'll miss greatly on the Wilkes schedule, matchups that I hope can continue in a non-conference format. Others will be missed far less...I'll leave it your good imaginations to guess what teams fit where in that mix  ;)

As for this season, I've made it to three games for the Colonels (Keystone, LVC, and Albright) and the team continues to improve and grow each week. I think the LVC game was a wakeup call for the team; it seems that the Colonels have fewer fourth and fifth-year players on their roster than other MAC teams, by my informal observations. That leads to not just less experience on the field, but less of that acquired sixth sense of other opponents around the league, tidbits like Arnold Field being a very tough place to play that the Flying Dutchmen defend with tenacity (It's my opinion from many years of Wilkes-LVC games that LVC is the toughest place in the MAC to earn a win on the road). I've been pleased to see the team move forward with the lessons from that loss to post two consecutive wins, with some very tough opponents ahead on the schedule. 

For the rest of the season, I hope to make it to the Mayor's Cup game, but the responsibilities of adulthood will probably prevent me from catching any more games this year. I'll say this to the other MAC fans - both for this season's remining games, and as long as he's playing in the league - Bohannon is a force to be reconned with. This is a big comparison, but I don't think I've seen a QB able to generate offense like that since Knoblauch's time with the Aggies.

Well, the Aggies, with 15 new starters this season, overcome the 2 game juggernaut of (1) Beating LebVal at G-manWU's most difficult stadium for an opposing team to win at and (2) Stopping the high powered Wilkes offense, with a QB they literally did not prepare for, who was a much better athlete, escaping the pocket and in the run game, then Rodriguez.

If they beat FDU at home in 2 weeks and then win at Widener (Widener's Super Bowl).......that would make an unprecedented 5 consecutive, undefeated MAC Championships and 45 straight MAC wins. I'm not sure either of those records ever gets close to being broken.

I wasn't at the game but have been told that the Wilkes head coach was quite the non-professional after the game. A few players on the Wilkes team confided (with a few Aggies players, buddies from high school) that while a good coach, their respect for him stops right there. A former coach under him, with DelVal ties and has since moved on (and up) doesn't speak about him glowingly. Coach Greco is way too classy to run up scores, as he could have easily scored from the 2 yard line with a minute left in yesterday's game.

This DelVal coaching staff has done a remarkable job, especially fitting in 15 new starters this year.

I do expect Wilkes to contend annually in a pretty poor Landmark (outside of Susquehanna of course) and I'd imagine that Coach Drach moves on as he has much bigger designs........and you have to get there by a certain age or the chances decrease rapidly.

Aggies roll on...................but what is new. The dominance has just about dried up this board. This Swarthmore alum wishes my adopted Aggies (long time resident of bucolic Doylestown) well in their final 2 games. The conference championship is what matters, as always. Anything else is gravy!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on October 29, 2022, 09:06:20 PM
Congrats to FDU today...but that must have been an UGLY game. Here's hoping they keep the game with Del Val respectable...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on October 31, 2022, 11:10:45 AM
To be fair JM, there is no super bowl game for Widener, and hasn't been for quite some time...:(
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 02, 2022, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: bman on October 31, 2022, 11:10:45 AM
To be fair JM, there is no super bowl game for Widener, and hasn't been for quite some time...:(

Not exactly how it's being sold though to the players by their head coach (ex-Aggies player and coach) per some Widener player parents who have been cluing me in, as a springboard to a much improved 2023. Widener (per the LebVal head coach) was doing a lot of finger wagging and talking to the LVC bench at the game last week. I can see a repeat when the Aggies come to town. I am expecting more Aggies fans than Widener fans though as DelVal goes for an unprecedented fifth consecutive, undefeated conference championship. I don't think that ever gets approached if they have a conference for another century.

I know one thing that Head Coach Mike B, will insist upon this year. Zero tolerance with the social media smack talk by about 8-10 Widener players who openly stated that they were going to destroy DelVal, in Doylestown, last year. Those players were reminded when they stepped off the busses, during the game, after the game and when the busses departed. You don't poke the lion. ;)

DL Nick Werkheiser was the leader of the pack............but balled up on the field as the Aggies offensive line steamrolled him man on man.........and when they hunted for him later on double teams. The film showed him going, "no mas", by the end of the half as he spent a good chunk of the half laying on the ground. A few teammates said he spoke like Tarzan.........but played like Jane.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 06, 2022, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: bill on October 29, 2022, 09:06:20 PM
Congrats to FDU today...but that must have been an UGLY game. Here's hoping they keep the game with Del Val respectable...

Game was not as close as the final score. I think DelVal could have hung 60+ on them but they started taking that air out of the ball (and subbing.......quite deep) in the middle of the 3rd quarter.

The QB is quick, but had little to no help. The defense had quite the press clippings coming in but had no answer for the Aggies deep passing game. Their strength, the defensive line, put very little pressure on the QB.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 07, 2022, 08:04:59 AM
Congratulations to Kings for a great season!   That game next Saturday with Wilkes should be quite the contest considering (very sadly) that that will be Wilkes last game in the MAC.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 08, 2022, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 06, 2022, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: bill on October 29, 2022, 09:06:20 PM
Congrats to FDU today...but that must have been an UGLY game. Here's hoping they keep the game with Del Val respectable...

Game was not as close as the final score. I think DelVal could have hung 60+ on them but they started taking that air out of the ball (and subbing.......quite deep) in the middle of the 3rd quarter.

The QB is quick, but had little to no help. The defense had quite the press clippings coming in but had no answer for the Aggies deep passing game. Their strength, the defensive line, put very little pressure on the QB.

Well, that's about as close I would have thought. To quote the great Keith Jackson "it's hard to win the race if you don't have the horses"  :)

Of course one could argue FDU hasn't had enough horses since the mid/late 90's, but that's another post!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 12, 2022, 07:22:19 PM
Congrats to DelVal on an unprecedented fifth consecutive, undefeated MAC Championship. Everything else is gravy from here. This run and the 45 game conference unbeaten streak (and counting) will never be broken, even if this conference (and sport) are here for another 100 years!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 13, 2022, 05:30:28 PM
Excuse me, D3 NCAA placement committee - Del Val's current record is 10 and 0 - not 9 and 1.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2022, 08:45:00 PM
I am convinced that DelVal's run of dominance has dried this collective board up more than the cumulative issues of death, sickness, divorce (she had a good lawyer and you lost permanent access to the internet as a result:),  bankruptcy (see divorce:), loss of sports appetite, incarceration, witness protection program and maturity (substituting crap like art museums and Shakespeare)!!

Go Aggies!! Next year.................the Aggies start filling up the other hand's fingers with consecutive MAC Championship rings!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 22, 2022, 08:36:04 AM
This Saturday, November 26th, Randolph-Macon comes to Doylestown and they'll be a tough opponent, NO DOUBT!   Best of Luck to our Del Val Aggies and we'll be watching on here and listening to Gordon Mann's call of the game!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 24, 2022, 08:59:03 AM
The Happiest of Thanksgivings to all on this site and as always, GO AGGIES and Best of Luck this Saturday!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 26, 2022, 03:11:46 PM
Both Teams played one HECK of a game, but the Aggies prevailed - Delaware Valley University 39 - Randolph Macon 32!   Amazing!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 27, 2022, 03:34:33 PM
Thrilled to read just now that the Mt. Union/Del Val football game will be played next Saturday in Doylestown, but does anyone know the NCAA's reasoning behind that decision?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on November 27, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: kate on November 27, 2022, 03:34:33 PM
Thrilled to read just now that the Mt. Union/Del Val football game will be played next Saturday in Doylestown, but does anyone know the NCAA's reasoning behind that decision?

DVU has better metrics: Del Val has a SOS of 16th, and Mount has a SOS in the 120s. Del Val is 3-0 vs. RROs, Mount is 2-0. I would assume that is the reasoning.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 27, 2022, 05:24:46 PM
Thanks so much for the quick response - i am thrilled that it's in Doylestown!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 28, 2022, 08:47:48 AM
This weekend DVU shakes up the college football world. You heard it here first from PBR....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Kira & Jaxon's Dad on November 28, 2022, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 28, 2022, 08:47:48 AM
This weekend DVU shakes up the college football world. You heard it here first from PBR....

Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 28, 2022, 10:42:34 AM
Just had to say a HUGE thank you to Pat Coleman, the NCAA Committee and our very own announcer, Gordon Mann - Pat, for the podcast that explained so very well why DVU is hosting, the Committee for being so precise with Strength of Schedule info and Gordon for that amazing call of the Randolph-Macon game.   I'm still not over that one!!!   I am sure that ALL Aggie fans are thrilled that the POWERHOUSE, Mount Union Purple Raiders are coming to Doylestown this weekend.  Hoping for Great Weather, a FANTASTIC, well-played game and few if any injuries.    To our amazing TEAM and COACHES - Top of  the line Thanks for a memorable season to date!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 30, 2022, 08:19:36 AM
Great story on the Del Val defense this morning Pat!   Thanks!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on December 03, 2022, 05:43:05 PM
Congrats to Mount Union winning on the road.   Congrats too, to our AGGIES, one of EIGHT Teams remaining as they started play today at noon!   With two hundred and forty colleges and universities fielding football Teams,  being one of the 8 left on December 3 is nothing to sneeze at!   Thanks to the Team, the Coaches and our fabulous announcer, Gordon Mann for an incredible season!   Please keep up the good work!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bman on March 15, 2023, 06:43:50 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 13, 2022, 08:45:00 PM
I am convinced that DelVal's run of dominance has dried this collective board up more than the cumulative issues of death, sickness, divorce (she had a good lawyer and you lost permanent access to the internet as a result:),  bankruptcy (see divorce:), loss of sports appetite, incarceration, witness protection program and maturity (substituting crap like art museums and Shakespeare)!!

Go Aggies!! Next year.................the Aggies start filling up the other hand's fingers with consecutive MAC Championship rings!!

Probably for some...for me it has been Work, Family (the kids are growing up (I have one at Juniata now)...boo!!!!and some health issues....
While DV's dominance galls me, I am glad they represent us so well in the playoffs (In all non conference games really).
Also, I have virtually no contact with the WU Pride football program now, so I don't have much to add to the discussions.  What the administration has done to the program is such a shame...:(
Anyway. Happy 2023 to the board and will be on and off throughout the year...
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on June 20, 2023, 03:48:34 PM
DVU 2023 Schedule is out and released... Doesn't seem quite right with so many away games but who knows maybe it is correct...


https://athletics.delval.edu/ (https://athletics.delval.edu/)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: The Third Division on June 20, 2023, 04:51:06 PM
Can we all agree it's the weirdest schedule out there? first 2 home games take place in the first 7 weeks?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on August 30, 2023, 11:31:09 AM
Playoff projections for the season using my model's preseason ratings:

(https://i.imgur.com/XG94pHe.png)

You can look at other conferences on my website: https://hansenratings.github.io/ (https://hansenratings.github.io/).
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on August 31, 2023, 05:17:21 PM
Good Luck  to our Delaware Valley University Aggies on Saturday at noon as they take on SUNY Cortland up there in Cortland!   Looks to be a beautiful day for football so GO AGGIES!!!   Safe trip up and back!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: The Third Division on September 06, 2023, 02:32:16 PM
Is Logan Hansen right in saying the #1 team in region 1 is Del Val?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 06, 2023, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: The Third Division on September 06, 2023, 02:32:16 PM
Is Logan Hansen right in saying the #1 team in region 1 is Del Val?

Definitely could be the case.  I presume that Del Val's cushion i the Region 1 rankings does not get erased entirely by one loss to a ranked opponent.  But the door is definitely open for Endicott/Springfield/Stevenson to catch up now. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mikefln on September 18, 2023, 10:04:06 AM
Big game this week.  Is this the year Kings beat Del Val?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 19, 2023, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: mikefln on September 18, 2023, 10:04:06 AM
Big game this week.  Is this the year Kings beat Del Val?

Given how veteran of a team that Kings is vs. a DelVal team that lost 4 All-Americans + 3 non-All-Americans on defense, a WR core that lost 5 of their top 6 from last year, as well as RB #2, HB #1, TE #1.........QB #3 (only 3 QB's in the entire program) is playing as TE #1 (meaning they have no TE), plus no punting or kicking game.................King's has zero excuses, literally zero.

This is the year for a few teams to knock off the Aggies given what they bring back next year, a few critical returnees ineligible this Fall and reloading with freshmen and transfers knowing what they need in 2024 and beyond.

Quite honestly, this is as ready for the taking that I've seen them in many years. Not only King's.............but Stevenson, Widener, FDU (at FDU), Leb Valley also have zero excuses not to knock off DelVal in what looks like an off year for the traditional MAC power.

The King's players are chirping already. Never a good thing, but this might just be their one, best shot!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mikefln on September 19, 2023, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 19, 2023, 12:46:09 PM


Quite honestly, this is as ready for the taking that I've seen them in many years. Not only King's.............but Stevenson, Widener, FDU (at FDU), Leb Valley also have zero excuses not to knock off DelVal in what looks like an off year for the traditional MAC power.



That is a good thing.  I respect DelVal, but when 1 team rules the roost for so long it is not good for anyone.  It is good that there is some competition this year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 20, 2023, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: mikefln on September 19, 2023, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 19, 2023, 12:46:09 PM


Quite honestly, this is as ready for the taking that I've seen them in many years. Not only King's.............but Stevenson, Widener, FDU (at FDU), Leb Valley also have zero excuses not to knock off DelVal in what looks like an off year for the traditional MAC power.



That is a good thing.  I respect DelVal, but when 1 team rules the roost for so long it is not good for anyone.  It is good that there is some competition this year.

I agree, although there had better be more than "some competition" this year. Two or three of those five teams mentioned above needs to beat DelVal in a very down year for them.........especially those who are loaded with seniors and 5th year Covid players. Again, no excuses for any of the five (King's, Stevenson, Widener, FDU and LebVal). None. Zip. Zilch.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 22, 2023, 05:48:51 PM
In that wind and rain for tomorrow's game - BEST of LUCK to our Delaware Valley University Aggies as they take on King's College for their home opener.   We'll be watching on here!   GO AGGIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on September 23, 2023, 06:55:51 PM
Another tough one for Alvernia... only seeing the final, but was really hoping they'd get it done today. 1-2 wins possible for them from here on out IMO.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2023, 07:51:35 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 23, 2023, 06:55:51 PM
Another tough one for Alvernia... only seeing the final, but was really hoping they'd get it done today. 1-2 wins possible for them from here on out IMO.

Now that he ran out of former Wesley players.........let's see his true recruiting chops in a conference that is not loaded with monster teams!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2023, 08:10:15 AM
Quote from: mikefln on September 19, 2023, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 19, 2023, 12:46:09 PM


Quite honestly, this is as ready for the taking that I've seen them in many years. Not only King's.............but Stevenson, Widener, FDU (at FDU), Leb Valley also have zero excuses not to knock off DelVal in what looks like an off year for the traditional MAC power.



That is a good thing.  I respect DelVal, but when 1 team rules the roost for so long it is not good for anyone.  It is good that there is some competition this year.

I will hand it to King's, they won the "mouthy, tough guys on social media the week leading up to the game" award.................the "strut around the field like a cocky team that has actually won something in pregame" award............the "mock an opposing player when he gets lit up and most of the starters don't get down on a knee" award..........and the "we are getting our azz kicked 28-0, but I'm still going to chirp at your sidelines with a minute left in the game" award.......

But as for the game itself.......every faux tough guy has a gameplan, that is, until he gets punched in the mouth!!!

DelVal has 8 seniors on the roster (and a few impact players sitting it out this year and will be back in 2024). They lost 4 All-American's and 4 other starters on defense. The offense lost 5 out of 6 WR's, including 2 gamebreakers, as well as RB #2, TE #1, FB/HB #1 and 3 OL. QB #3 is TE #1.

In a down year (for them), they demolished a King's team loaded with seniors and 5th year players. A KIng's team that many on the team (and outside of the team) guaranteed the "changing of the guard". Talking the talk is one thing. Walking the walk is another.

DelVal still has a shot in a down year, with a depleted roster lacking depth at most positions. Given all that is coming back next year and an offseason to reload with freshmen and transfers.......something tells me that the Aggies are not dead in the water. Getting to the top is tough. Staying there is tougher. You are everybody's biggest game.

They may not win the MAC this year, in fact, for many reasons, they probably shouldn't. King's learned a couple of lessons yesterday, one's that Leb Valley, Stevenson and Widener might have learned something from as they saw the score:

1. As depleted as DelVal is, don't play social media "tough guy" as it only fuels the fire. Even a dog on 3 legs can still bite hard
2. You'd better get the Aggies this year, while they are depleted, as they only have 8 seniors and a full offseason to reload

King's, no, Queen's............actually, you are Jokers!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on September 24, 2023, 10:20:21 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2023, 07:51:35 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 23, 2023, 06:55:51 PM
Another tough one for Alvernia... only seeing the final, but was really hoping they'd get it done today. 1-2 wins possible for them from here on out IMO.

Now that he ran out of former Wesley players.........let's see his true recruiting chops in a conference that is not loaded with monster teams!!
EJ Lee was really the only Wesley guy that was on Alvernia's roster last year. Darin Matthew's on the OL is the only Wesley guy this year... and he didn't even see much PT at Wesley.

Azz is one of the best recruiters in the game. He pulled Joe Callahan out of nowhere and we know how that turned out. If he gets time he'll be ok. I will say Azz is in a bit of a different situation than trying to recruit for Wesley. Alvernia has no track record.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2023, 12:05:54 PM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 24, 2023, 10:20:21 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2023, 07:51:35 AM
Quote from: thewaterboy on September 23, 2023, 06:55:51 PM
Another tough one for Alvernia... only seeing the final, but was really hoping they'd get it done today. 1-2 wins possible for them from here on out IMO.

Now that he ran out of former Wesley players.........let's see his true recruiting chops in a conference that is not loaded with monster teams!!
EJ Lee was really the only Wesley guy that was on Alvernia's roster last year. Darin Matthew's on the OL is the only Wesley guy this year... and he didn't even see much PT at Wesley.

Azz is one of the best recruiters in the game. He pulled Joe Callahan out of nowhere and we know how that turned out. If he gets time he'll be ok. I will say Azz is in a bit of a different situation than trying to recruit for Wesley. Alvernia has no track record.

I'd say without EJ Lee, that Alvernia team, last year is winless. He rushed for 651 net yards while the rest of the team combined rushed for 438 yards. He also tied for most receptions AND made a freshman QB look really good.............who looks brutal this year without EJ.

What blows my mind about Alvernia (and Albright) is the football talent right in their backyard. I'll give you that Azz needs more time but Alvernia as a program is now in it's 6th year and they dole out nice packages, some of the best in the MAC. Also, Eastern beat Alvernia this year in their second game (not year) in program history, recruiting against DelVal and Widener up and down the road.

Lastly, Stevenson never had a program and look at how quickly they became relevant. I'm not saying that Azz can't or won't do it..........but he/they had such a different deal down at Wesley. They had their pick of the crop given the lack of schools nearby. Alvernia is a different animal and if Albright ever gets good again, LebVal stays decent, DelVal bounces back from a down year for them, Widener gets back to where they were years ago....................and Lycoming and Wilkes recruit as Landmark Conference participants....................it will not be easy for Azz. The typical Wesley recruit is a different breed than the typical student  or student-athlete at Alvernia and the campus and campus life is much, much different. I do wish him luck though as it will be race between them and Albright to bring some type of prominence back to Reading area college football...........in the same way that King's has similarly done, by overtaking Wilkes and Misericordia (I don't count count Keystone) for Wilkes Barre/NEPA college football.

He's got the experience, connections with high school coaches and the ability to offer great packages. There are no excuses not to be at least 5-6 win team, 2-3 years out, especially with Eastern, Albright, Misericordia and FDU on the annual schedule. That should be 4 gimmies!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 25, 2023, 10:36:58 AM
Congratulations on the win Saturday, Aggies!   King's is a formidable opponent!   Hope you have productive bye week, cause the schedule really doesn't let up!   Very nice to hear Gordon Mann's call of the game after going three weeks without it!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: mikefln on September 28, 2023, 02:08:27 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2023, 08:10:15 AM


I will hand it to King's, they won the "mouthy, tough guys on social media the week leading up to the game" award.................the "strut around the field like a cocky team that has actually won something in pregame" award............the "mock an opposing player when he gets lit up and most of the starters don't get down on a knee" award..........and the "we are getting our azz kicked 28-0, but I'm still going to chirp at your sidelines with a minute left in the game" award.......

But as for the game itself.......every faux tough guy has a gameplan, that is, until he gets punched in the mouth!!!


King's, no, Queen's............actually, you are Jokers!!!

Kings certainly showed that they were pretenders. Some team other than DVC needs to step up for the conference's sake. 
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on September 28, 2023, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: mikefln on September 28, 2023, 02:08:27 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on September 24, 2023, 08:10:15 AM


I will hand it to King's, they won the "mouthy, tough guys on social media the week leading up to the game" award.................the "strut around the field like a cocky team that has actually won something in pregame" award............the "mock an opposing player when he gets lit up and most of the starters don't get down on a knee" award..........and the "we are getting our azz kicked 28-0, but I'm still going to chirp at your sidelines with a minute left in the game" award.......

But as for the game itself.......every faux tough guy has a gameplan, that is, until he gets punched in the mouth!!!


King's, no, Queen's............actually, you are Jokers!!!

Kings certainly showed that they were pretenders. Some team other than DVC needs to step up for the conference's sake.

Zero excuses for both Lebanon Valley and Stevenson not to take DVU down in a down year for them...........especially with their All-Region stud RB out for the year with a broken collarbone! Again, zero!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on September 30, 2023, 11:16:41 AM
This afternoon if i checked in on the Catholic/Susquehanna game would i have to pay?????    Del Val has their bye this week and my Phillies don't start until 4.    What's a fan to do????
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2023, 01:08:56 PM
Yes, the Landmark Conference is all pay-per-view now -- any athletic contest hosted by a Landmark school.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: thewaterboy on October 07, 2023, 02:01:28 PM
Eyebrow raising score thru 1 half of play. Del Val 7, Alvernia 0. We will see how well Alvernia's line holds up in the second half... but you can def see the experience of Alvernia's coaching staff against Duke Greco and crew is what is keeping it close.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 07, 2023, 07:34:27 PM
Quote from: thewaterboy on October 07, 2023, 02:01:28 PM
Eyebrow raising score thru 1 half of play. Del Val 7, Alvernia 0. We will see how well Alvernia's line holds up in the second half... but you can def see the experience of Alvernia's coaching staff against Duke Greco and crew is what is keeping it close.

The announcers (assuming they were students) drove me insane. They were calling the DelVal defensive line one of the best in the country (they were last year with the 3 All-Americans.........this year they are playing with 3 brand new players who have never started). They were calling DelVal the 24th best team in the country (being ranked 24th by D3football.com vs. being the 24th best team in the country are miles apart). They said that RB Jay White (90% of DelVal's offense) was out this game. The All-Region and potential All-American candidate, pre-injury, is out for the year with a broken collarbone.

This DelVal team is a shell of it's former self. Young, inexperienced, injured and eerily thin at many key positions. Azz did a good job with what he has (which talent wise is not much below what DelVal currently has) but the true test will be how he and they do from here, as playing like they did today, they should win 2 or 3 of their final 5 games.

DelVal losing stud RB Jay White was their death knell (kind of like Alvernia without an EJ Lee) in an already precarious season. They have a ton coming back next year, including a couple of difference makers (i.e. Barksdale) who are not playing this year and Greco and Brady know what they need on the recruiting trail, especially hunting some transfers.

If this current conference winning streak (48) ends at 49, 50  or 51 (my bet it is one of these).......it's a record that no other MAC school approaches for as long as there is a MAC.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 08, 2023, 02:21:21 PM
For Del Val the rest of the season does looks intimidating, but let's have a little faith in our coaching staff and our young players who are probably itching to make a name for themselves!   Meantime, heal fast and well Jay White!   You were missed on Saturday, but congrats on the win to the team and coaches.   Good luck with FDU on Saturday!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 18, 2023, 05:48:53 PM
Huge game for our Del Val Aggies this Saturday in the wind and rain!   They play the Homecoming game with Lebanon Valley College at 1 pm - just a huge game all the way around!   Go Green and Gold!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 18, 2023, 06:50:32 PM
No excuses for Leb Valley this year. They need to get Del Val in a down year (for them) and without their All-American candidate RB. We'll see if they are up to the task.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 21, 2023, 09:05:20 AM
I've said for a couple of years that DelVal's MAC dominance has rendered this board just about DOA. And this year, of all years, which is a "down" year for the Aggies, they still have a shot. LebVal, Stevenson and Widener have zero excuses not to pick off a new, young, lacking in depth and injured Aggies team........before the freshmen and transfer loading commences for the 2024 season and beyond.

First up is a seasoned LebVal team, with a dynamic QB and experience up and down the roster. We'll see................
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 21, 2023, 05:22:22 PM
Well, they (Leb Val) were up to the task until that last minute when Del Val scored to make it 21 to 17, and that is where it ended.   Good job, Aggies - next up Stevenson at Del Val with a noon starting time!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2023, 09:53:38 AM
Welcome to the JM & Kate Board:

For those talking smack about the "Aggies MAC run being over" during the spring/summer and early season given the results.........and losses to graduation, mounting key injuries, youth and lack of depth, so far, two of the four mouthiest have been silenced:

King's - Silenced
LebVal - Silenced
Stevenson - TBD (zero excuses for them next week)
Widener - TBD (next to King's......the mouthiest of them all......given their experience, zero excuses)

Misericordia knows better than to poke the bear, but they did give Stevenson, at Stevenson, a good game yesterday. I think they keep quiet leading up to their home game with the Aggies.

2 down........2 to go!!

The streak is now at 50 consecutive MAC wins. When it ends, it will never be approached again!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 25, 2023, 05:42:07 PM
Huge game for the Aggies this Saturday at noon when they take on MAC foe Stevenson!   Let's keep that ball rolling, Men!   Please silence any doubters and show em what ya got!   Go Del Val!!!   The game is at home in Doylestown!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on October 28, 2023, 03:21:20 PM
Huge Congratulations to the Del Val Team & Coaches knocking off super tough Stevenson this afternoon, 21 to 14.   What a game!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on October 28, 2023, 08:23:37 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2023, 09:53:38 AM
Welcome to the JM & Kate Board:

For those talking smack about the "Aggies MAC run being over" during the spring/summer and early season given the results.........and losses to graduation, mounting key injuries, youth and lack of depth, so far, two of the four mouthiest have been silenced:

King's - Silenced
LebVal - Silenced
Stevenson - TBD (zero excuses for them next week)
Widener - TBD (next to King's......the mouthiest of them all......given their experience, zero excuses)

Misericordia knows better than to poke the bear, but they did give Stevenson, at Stevenson, a good game yesterday. I think they keep quiet leading up to their home game with the Aggies.

2 down........2 to go!!

The streak is now at 50 consecutive MAC wins. When it ends, it will never be approached again!!

*****Updated after the DelVal vs. Stevenson game*****

Welcome to the JM & Kate Board:

Well, well, well...........................

For those talking smack about the "Aggies MAC run being over" during the spring/summer and early season given the results.........and losses to graduation, mounting key injuries, youth and lack of depth, so far, two three of the four mouthiest have been silenced:

King's - Silenced
LebVal - Silenced
Stevenson - TBD (zero excuses for them next week).......Silenced
Widener - TBD (next to King's......the mouthiest of them all......given their experience, zero excuses)

Misericordia knows better than to poke the bear, but they did give Stevenson, at Stevenson, a good game yesterday. I think they keep quiet leading up to their home game with the Aggies.

2 down........2 to go!! 3 down.....1 to go!!

The streak is now at 50  51 consecutive MAC wins. When it ends, it will never be approached again!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 05, 2023, 01:57:24 PM
Congratulations on your win up at Misericordia yesterday, Men!   Clinched the MAC!!!   One more tough league test next week in Widener - the Very Best of Luck & Go Aggies!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 05, 2023, 06:40:21 PM
*****Updated after the DelVal vs. Misericordia game*****

Welcome to the JM & Kate Board (Kate, the Aggies run of dominance has literally dried this board up.......it's just me and you :) )

Well, well, well...........................

For those talking smack about the "Aggies MAC run being over" during the spring/summer and early season given the results.........and losses to graduation, mounting key injuries, youth and lack of depth, so far, two three of the four mouthiest have been silenced:

King's - Silenced
LebVal - Silenced
Stevenson - TBD (zero excuses for them next week).......Silenced
Widener - TBD (next to King's......the mouthiest of them all......given their experience, zero excuses)

Misericordia knows better than to poke the bear, but they did give Stevenson, at Stevenson, a good game last week. I think they keep quiet leading up to their home game with the Aggies.

2 yakkers down........2 to go!! 3 yakkers down.....1 to go!!

The streak is now at 51 52 consecutive MAC wins AND 6 consecutive MAC Championships!. When it ends, it will never be approached again!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 06, 2023, 07:51:16 AM
Huge Aggie game this Saturday at noon at home in Doylestown!    Widener! - Go Del Val!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 06, 2023, 09:16:42 AM
Have admit this was the first year in many that PBR didn't swing by preseason and predict another DVU lockdown. PBR wasn't sure if DVU would pull off taking the crown again. Boy did these folks prove PBR wrong. The coaches and players removed all doubt and played a season full of pride, hard work and guts to win it again. Congrats to everyone! Time to take down Widener and pivot to the playoffs. Everyone deserves credit... Well Done!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 09, 2023, 08:42:11 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 06, 2023, 09:16:42 AM
Have admit this was the first year in many that PBR didn't swing by preseason and predict another DVU lockdown. PBR wasn't sure if DVU would pull off taking the crown again. Boy did these folks prove PBR wrong. The coaches and players removed all doubt and played a season full of pride, hard work and guts to win it again. Congrats to everyone! Time to take down Widener and pivot to the playoffs. Everyone deserves credit... Well Done!

PBR - Kind of remarkable given all that the Aggies were up against this year. Lost 7 out of 11 defensive starters (including 4 All-Americans and the DPOY). Lost 5 of their 6 top WR's, 3 on the OL, RB #2, FB/HB #1, TE #1, only 3 QB's in the entire program (need to address that big time as 2 of the 3 are seniors in 2024)..............and then during the season, lost All-Region RB, Jay White during Game 4, All-Conference LT, Justin Roman in Game 5 and a few other vital depth pieces........on a team lacking sorely in the depth area. They also have no kicking game, their backup QB was forced to become punter #1 and the lack of depth shows on not-so-special teams.

Despite all of this and the veteran rosters of King's, LebVal, Stevenson and Widener, the Aggies have it wrapped up before the last game of the season. Simply remarkable!!

The coaches did an amazing job patching this thing together with spit and glue and need a monster recruiting year (freshmen and impact transfers) for 2024 (not as much given what is coming back) and absolutely beyond as they lose a lot after the 2024 season.

The MAC streak will end someday and when it does, it will be amazing to look back and realize how tough it is to win 50+ straight conference games, especially how a football bounces and how key injuries can deplete an already depleted team.

This season was the best coaching job I've seen anywhere in a long time and Coach Greco should be the runaway winner for MAC Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 11, 2023, 03:08:29 PM
Nice win this afternoon, Aggies - Congratulations!!!!!!!    Can't wait to see who you'll play next Saturday!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: UfanBill on November 12, 2023, 09:34:02 PM
Hi Kate and JM and any other DelVal fans. I'm pleased to introduce you to your next opponent. The Union College Dutchmen or Garnet Chargers(we've had a recent controversial name change) from Schenectady, NY. We play in the very competitive Liberty League. The Garnet are tough, senior stacked and hard to score on. We run the ball mixing in a respectable passing game. The two programs have never met on the football field so this will be interesting. Expect a large, enthusiastic, vocal contingent of U fans to invade Doylestown Saturday. Union fans on these boards would enjoy exchanging with you.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2023, 07:55:33 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 12, 2023, 09:34:02 PM
Hi Kate and JM and any other DelVal fans. I'm pleased to introduce you to your next opponent. The Union College Dutchmen or Garnet Chargers(we've had a recent controversial name change) from Schenectady, NY. We play in the very competitive Liberty League. The Garnet are tough, senior stacked and hard to score on. We run the ball mixing in a respectable passing game. The two programs have never met on the football field so this will be interesting. Expect a large, enthusiastic, vocal contingent of U fans to invade Doylestown Saturday. Union fans on these boards would enjoy exchanging with you.

Welcome to Doylestown and DVU. This should be a good game. Not many expected DVU to be here in their normal spot this year but with grit and determination this team rose to the top. Enjoy your time in Doylestown if you get a chance, as its a quaint beautiful town with great restaurants, bars, and art galleries with much history.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 13, 2023, 07:56:38 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 09, 2023, 08:42:11 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 06, 2023, 09:16:42 AM
Have admit this was the first year in many that PBR didn't swing by preseason and predict another DVU lockdown. PBR wasn't sure if DVU would pull off taking the crown again. Boy did these folks prove PBR wrong. The coaches and players removed all doubt and played a season full of pride, hard work and guts to win it again. Congrats to everyone! Time to take down Widener and pivot to the playoffs. Everyone deserves credit... Well Done!

PBR - Kind of remarkable given all that the Aggies were up against this year. Lost 7 out of 11 defensive starters (including 4 All-Americans and the DPOY). Lost 5 of their 6 top WR's, 3 on the OL, RB #2, FB/HB #1, TE #1, only 3 QB's in the entire program (need to address that big time as 2 of the 3 are seniors in 2024)..............and then during the season, lost All-Region RB, Jay White during Game 4, All-Conference LT, Justin Roman in Game 5 and a few other vital depth pieces........on a team lacking sorely in the depth area. They also have no kicking game, their backup QB was forced to become punter #1 and the lack of depth shows on not-so-special teams.

Despite all of this and the veteran rosters of King's, LebVal, Stevenson and Widener, the Aggies have it wrapped up before the last game of the season. Simply remarkable!!

The coaches did an amazing job patching this thing together with spit and glue and need a monster recruiting year (freshmen and impact transfers) for 2024 (not as much given what is coming back) and absolutely beyond as they lose a lot after the 2024 season.

The MAC streak will end someday and when it does, it will be amazing to look back and realize how tough it is to win 50+ straight conference games, especially how a football bounces and how key injuries can deplete an already depleted team.

This season was the best coaching job I've seen anywhere in a long time and Coach Greco should be the runaway winner for MAC Coach of the Year.

JM this team never ceases to amaze me. With all the change this year and overcoming injuries they continue to roll on.... Good Luck DVU in the playoffs!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: unionpalooza on November 13, 2023, 08:50:18 AM
Union v. DVU!  Man, this is going to be a great matchup - two tremendous defenses squaring off for the first time in the playoffs.  I know DVU has powered through some real adversity this year and is a great program, and I'm really excited to see this game.

DVU folks:  Any recommendations for a bite in Doyleston before or after the game, or for visiting the stadium in general?

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 13, 2023, 10:50:20 AM
A big HELLO Unionpalooza and UfanBill!!!   It's been since 1997 that our Son graduated from Del Val, and since we're that much older now, we don't get down to Doylestown from Easton, PA nearly as much as we once did!   Since our Son had pretty much nothing to do with the Aggie Athletic Dept., i can tell you that the school has had a huge pull for my Hubby & me over the last 26 years!   Right now, i'm asking PBR and JM to acquaint you to some great places to stay and eat.   I hope you have a beautiful drive down and truly enjoy your stay in Doylestown!   Hubby & i will be watching on the net!   Have Fun!  PS: Also please explore the Delaware Valley University website for more info!   Again, hoping for a great game with no injuries, and a safe trip down and home to you all as well!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: UfanBill on November 13, 2023, 03:38:36 PM
I know little about DVU except that they've got an incredible 53 game winning streak in the MAC and that they've been in the tourney almost every year lately under HC Duke Greco. I also remember your epic battles with Wesley. Nobody in D3 misses those guys right? As I said earlier Union has never played DVU and as a matter of fact it appears that you have only one historical match-up with any member of the Liberty League... a 2005 tourney win over Hobart. In checking it looks like incredibly Union has only played one previous game against anyone from the MAC...Widener in the 2000 tournament. This is truly a rare pairing.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 14, 2023, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 13, 2023, 03:38:36 PM
I know little about DVU except that they've got an incredible 53 game winning streak in the MAC and that they've been in the tourney almost every year lately under HC Duke Greco. I also remember your epic battles with Wesley. Nobody in D3 misses those guys right? As I said earlier Union has never played DVU and as a matter of fact it appears that you have only one historical match-up with any member of the Liberty League... a 2005 tourney win over Hobart. In checking it looks like incredibly Union has only played one previous game against anyone from the MAC...Widener in the 2000 tournament. This is truly a rare pairing.

That Hobart vs DVU game was a crusher for Hobart with DVU (DVC scoring late in the 4th qtr). Adam Knoblauch was a great qb for DVU and all the scoring was in the 4th qtr of that game. Looking forward to this weekends match up. Fill us in a little more on Union this year. How is their offense good running game or passing? How many seniors are starting? Defense? Strong against the run or pass?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 14, 2023, 08:51:42 AM
Quote from: unionpalooza on November 13, 2023, 08:50:18 AM
Union v. DVU!  Man, this is going to be a great matchup - two tremendous defenses squaring off for the first time in the playoffs.  I know DVU has powered through some real adversity this year and is a great program, and I'm really excited to see this game.

DVU folks:  Any recommendations for a bite in Doyleston before or after the game, or for visiting the stadium in general?

Give you a couple of places to eat. When I have more time I will try and get you more.
1. Paganini's ... excellent Italian food.
2. 86 West .... Good mixed food menu.
3. Doylestown Inn... Historic and nice to sit in and relax at the bar if you want a nice drink.
4. Honey... Not sure of their hours so check if going here but excellent food.

* Note these are all right in the center of town. In this area of town, (State Street/Main Street there are many restaurants you can walk around and see what menu interests you)  You can walk around town and see the history and beautiful architecture of Doylestown. Home of James Michener (author), Henry Mercer (Mercer Tile Works), many more people as well.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2023, 10:01:13 AM
I hear there is a big HS football game in that area Friday night as well?  Central Bucks West vs. Central Bucks South in the playoffs?  Gotta send a Union coach there for a quick recruiting trip!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 14, 2023, 10:18:29 AM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2023, 10:01:13 AM
I hear there is a big HS football game in that area Friday night as well?  Central Bucks West vs. Central Bucks South in the playoffs?  Gotta send a Union coach there for a quick recruiting trip!

Utah!! Long time since we have talked. Hope you are well. The older crew from LL I still talk to off of here. Yes the game is at 7 pm at CB West. Very close to DVU campus probably about 1 mile apart.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: UfanBill on November 14, 2023, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 14, 2023, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 13, 2023, 03:38:36 PM
I know little about DVU except that they've got an incredible 53 game winning streak in the MAC and that they've been in the tourney almost every year lately under HC Duke Greco. I also remember your epic battles with Wesley. Nobody in D3 misses those guys right? As I said earlier Union has never played DVU and as a matter of fact it appears that you have only one historical match-up with any member of the Liberty League... a 2005 tourney win over Hobart. In checking it looks like incredibly Union has only played one previous game against anyone from the MAC...Widener in the 2000 tournament. This is truly a rare pairing.

That Hobart vs DVU game was a crusher for Hobart with DVU (DVC scoring late in the 4th qtr). Adam Knoblauch was a great qb for DVU and all the scoring was in the 4th qtr of that game. Looking forward to this weekends match up. Fill us in a little more on Union this year. How is their offense good running game or passing? How many seniors are starting? Defense? Strong against the run or pass?

This Union team, under first year coach Jon Poppe, is battle tested. Twelve Union 5th years played in the NCAA Tourney as freshmen in 2019(a 24-21 win over Case Western Reserve followed by a 62-41 loss to Salisbury). Unlike the MAC the Liberty League is well balanced with RPI, Hobart, Ithaca and Union all contending for the championship every year.

Under their new coach the Garnet have become a run first team. They have an excellent O-line and 2 interchangeable running backs. Michael Fiore has rushed for 1031 yards and 15 TDs. Equally effective Jonathan Anderson has 859 and 5 TDs. They don't have super break away speed but they're extremely hard to tackle. QB Donovan Pacatte also tucks it and runs, 276 yds/6 TDs. Pacatte throws the ball well 148/256 yds, 11 TDs. They use a lot of WRs. the best being Landers Green. Their tight ends are big and great blockers. More like O-linemen but can catch a pass when called upon. Speaking of the O-line. They are big, tough,deep and experienced as evidenced by their success running the ball. The place kicker is the solid Max Gluck. 38/43 on xpts and 13/18 on FGs with a long of 40. 

That's the offense. Now for the real strength, the defense. Union is nationally ranked in a number of defensive categories...2nd in First Downs allowed defense, 4th in 3rd down conversions allowed, 6th in rushing yards allowed and 3rd in scoring defense giving up just 8.3 points per game. They're really strong up front. They run a 3-4 and all seven starters are 5th years or seniors. They also have a 5th year starting at safety who leads a talented defensive backfield. The D is the key.     

*Edited to include the link to Union's Game Notes from it's most recent game against RPI  https://unionathletics.com/documents/2023/11/10/2023_FB_10_RPI.pdf
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 14, 2023, 11:44:56 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 14, 2023, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: PBR... on November 14, 2023, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on November 13, 2023, 03:38:36 PM
I know little about DVU except that they've got an incredible 53 game winning streak in the MAC and that they've been in the tourney almost every year lately under HC Duke Greco. I also remember your epic battles with Wesley. Nobody in D3 misses those guys right? As I said earlier Union has never played DVU and as a matter of fact it appears that you have only one historical match-up with any member of the Liberty League... a 2005 tourney win over Hobart. In checking it looks like incredibly Union has only played one previous game against anyone from the MAC...Widener in the 2000 tournament. This is truly a rare pairing.

That Hobart vs DVU game was a crusher for Hobart with DVU (DVC scoring late in the 4th qtr). Adam Knoblauch was a great qb for DVU and all the scoring was in the 4th qtr of that game. Looking forward to this weekends match up. Fill us in a little more on Union this year. How is their offense good running game or passing? How many seniors are starting? Defense? Strong against the run or pass?

This Union team, under first year coach Jon Poppe, is battle tested. Twelve Union 5th years played in the NCAA Tourney as freshmen in 2019(a 24-21 win over Case Western Reserve followed by a 62-41 loss to Salisbury). Unlike the MAC the Liberty League is well balanced with RPI, Hobart, Ithaca and Union all contending for the championship every year.

Under their new coach the Garnet have become a run first team. They have an excellent O-line and 2 interchangeable running backs. Michael Fiore has rushed for 1031 yards and 15 TDs. Equally effective Jonathan Anderson has 859 and 5 TDs. They don't have super break away speed but they're extremely hard to tackle. QB Donovan Pacatte also tucks it and runs, 276 yds/6 TDs. Pacatte throws the ball well 148/256 yds, 11 TDs. They use a lot of WRs. the best being Landers Green. Their tight ends are big and great blockers. More like O-linemen but can catch a pass when called upon. Speaking of the O-line. They are big, tough,deep and experienced as evidenced by their success running the ball. The place kicker is the solid Max Gluck. 38/43 on xpts and 13/18 on FGs with a long of 40. 

That's the offense. Now for the real strength, the defense. Union is nationally ranked in a number of defensive categories...2nd in First Downs allowed defense, 4th in 3rd down conversions allowed, 6th in rushing yards allowed and 3rd in scoring defense giving up just 8.3 points per game. They're really strong up front. They run a 3-4 and all seven starters are 5th years or seniors. They also have a 5th year starting at safety who leads a talented defensive backfield. The D is the key.     

*Edited to include the link to Union's Game Notes from it's most recent game against RPI  https://unionathletics.com/documents/2023/11/10/2023_FB_10_RPI.pdf

Good stuff. Union will be a very difficult opponent no doubt. Looking forward to the game. PBR has always wished DVU played the LL more. Good competition that is not too far away for a home and home series with Union/RPI/etc....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ice Bear on November 14, 2023, 02:47:37 PM
What's up PBR? I used to post on here for almost a decade under dlip. Then I had a major temper tantrum, got off the boards, and then got right back on as I couldn't help myself. It was a fine moment of infantile maturity. Great to see you on here as I always loved your posts and perspective. Hoping you and your loved ones are well.

I'm really looking forward to this matchup/game. I believe this is an excellent draw for both teams as I believe both teams can realistically win. I know this has been somewhat of a down year for Del Val, and I only mean that in the sense that I believe they lost a ton from last year and for the first time in sometime they were somewhat suspect in the MAC. Well all they did was continue their MAC winning streak, go undefeated in the league, and win the league crown yet again. That's pretty impressive to me for any team in any league who is supposedly "down."

Ufan did a great job hitting on all the important aspects of Union. I love our quarterback Donavon Pacatte. With that said, we tend to live and die, points wise, based upon his accuracy. We run the ball very very well, but when Donavon and his receivers are not on the same page, which has happened at times throughout the season, we struggle to score. Last weekend I believe (please anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) we failed to score on 4 trips to the redzone. We had every opportunity to put more points on the board and didn't. Obviously tons of credit goes to the tough RPI D. Yet our passing game was really off and while we ran the ball very well, we didn't score more than 13. I believe we are going to have to be a bit better on Saturday to have a chance to win.

How about the Aggies? What can you tells us?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 15, 2023, 09:57:48 AM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 14, 2023, 02:47:37 PM
What's up PBR? I used to post on here for almost a decade under dlip. Then I had a major temper tantrum, got off the boards, and then got right back on as I couldn't help myself. It was a fine moment of infantile maturity. Great to see you on here as I always loved your posts and perspective. Hoping you and your loved ones are well.

I'm really looking forward to this matchup/game. I believe this is an excellent draw for both teams as I believe both teams can realistically win. I know this has been somewhat of a down year for Del Val, and I only mean that in the sense that I believe they lost a ton from last year and for the first time in sometime they were somewhat suspect in the MAC. Well all they did was continue their MAC winning streak, go undefeated in the league, and win the league crown yet again. That's pretty impressive to me for any team in any league who is supposedly "down."

Ufan did a great job hitting on all the important aspects of Union. I love our quarterback Donavon Pacatte. With that said, we tend to live and die, points wise, based upon his accuracy. We run the ball very very well, but when Donavon and his receivers are not on the same page, which has happened at times throughout the season, we struggle to score. Last weekend I believe (please anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) we failed to score on 4 trips to the redzone. We had every opportunity to put more points on the board and didn't. Obviously tons of credit goes to the tough RPI D. Yet our passing game was really off and while we ran the ball very well, we didn't score more than 13. I believe we are going to have to be a bit better on Saturday to have a chance to win.

How about the Aggies? What can you tells us?

Dlip... been awhile. Hope you are well. I do miss the old days on LL .... I still hear from LewDogg/Reg/'Gro not obviously on these boards. I am living in Delray Beach, FL now. Was thinking about retiring after 25 years on Wall St. but my best friend somehow convinced PBR to go work for his company in medical device sales in the O.R. so PBR is now grinding away again but having fun in the O.R. most days.  Still have some family in Doylestown but many of my family and friends are migrating south into the Carolina's and Florida. JM can fill you in more on DVU than I can at this point. He gave a breakdown in an earlier post about the graduation/injury losses this year. Somehow this team pushes on and keeps winning. Says a lot about the coaching staff and players. You making it down to Dtown for the game? I will be back up there for Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2023, 02:35:26 PM
PBR did a great job with his recommendations in Doylestown. It has consistently ranked for many years as one publication or another's "top places to move", "top places to raise a family". It's also located in an amazingly convenient location to Philly, Jersey Shore, Poconos, NYC and Balt/D.C. If jaywalking is a crime, then it is a crime filled location. :)

There are actually over 30 places to eat and drink just in downtown Doylestown. It is laid out in a hub (county seat) and spoke setup, so park the car and walk everywhere. We did the Thanksgiving Eve booze fest for years, loooooooooong before Uber existed and you would pass out or die from alcohol poisoning before you could even have one drink at a third of Doylestown's spots. I went to school at Swarthmore, but have adopted Doylestown and DelVal after settling here over 30 years ago.

The C.B. West vs. C.B. South District Semifinal on Friday night will be a blast. Many years ago, C.B. West was a Top Ten program nationally, cranking out stud players, state championships and mythical national championships. The Godfather of the program was a coach named Mike Pettine. Coached their for decades. His son played there, then Virginia and moved his way up in the NFL. He was the head coach of the Browns (where most coaches have gone to die) and has been a defensive coordinator for years. He and Rex Ryan are best buddies.

The opening of a third high school (South) diluted the talent and then the nail in the coffin occurred when the Private Schools went to open enrollment and overt (free tuition if you can ball) recruiting. The stories are legendary regarding the lengths that the Private School coaches went to in recruiting great players. Josh Adams was a RB who went to South and then starred at Notre Dame. He banged around the NFL for a bit. His father has told stories about what would be in the mailbox (or the porch) on a weekly basis. The kid finally said enough and told the coaches to stop and that he was staying at South. The Private School sleaze did manage to get most of the D1 and NFL potential prospects to transfer to Archbishop Wood and St. Joe Prep (I could write a book about THAT program.........K.C. Keeler at Rowan back in the day was a choirboy comparatively speaking).

C.B. West and C.B. East used to play on Thanksgiving morning every year (until the greedy PIAA and their playoffs got in the way). 8,000 - 10,000 at each game. The kids all grew up together playing baseball, football, basketball and wrestling........and then junior high and high school split them up. The rivalry got diminished in 2004 when the third high school opened up and took half of the players from the other two. C.B. West used to have 120 players in the program. They went as low as the high 30's a few years ago.

West has had many D1 players BUT this season was going to be the first time that a QB would have been a 4 year starter. So what happens? He tears his ACL at the end of a preseason game (position taken over by a kid who never played QB). Their best RB? He was lost for the season to an injury. He is widely recognized as the best High School rugby player in the country. Their best overall athlete? One of the fastest kids in the country (track scholarships from everybody), incredible safety and WR. He tore his ACL 2 weeks ago. These are C.B. West's top 3 players and each was a stud on both sides of the line. Most of the players play both ways. How they are doing it is mind blowing!

So it's 2 of the 3 Central Bucks High Schools in one district playoff game and the 2 Downingtown High Schools in the other semifinal. Had C.B. West not lost the 3 players mentioned above, I would have liked their chances to win the district title. Now? If they can beat South, I don't see how they beat the Downingtown school that comes out of that game.

The winner of the district, where you must live within a defined geographical boundary to attend a specific high school will be matched against St. Joe Prep, a top 10 program in the country, with players from 4 states. Ex-NFL star players have sent their kids there (Jeremiah Trotter, from South Jersey, stud LB with the Eagles, sent two boys there........one is a LB at Clemson and a potential low first round pick and the other, even better than his older brother, is headed to West Virginia). The current QB at Ohio State is from the Prep. I could go on and on. A small school from Doylestown, where 99% of the kids live in little Doylestown and even littler Warrington could be forced to play a 4-state All Star team. New Jersey does it right. They have separate playoffs for Public and Private schools. That day is coming in PA and I am a big voice behind it. The PIAA in Harrisburg is spineless and gutless and their day is coming!!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2023, 03:03:54 PM
This is from a September post before the game with King's College:

Given how veteran of a team that Kings is vs. a DelVal team that lost 4 All-Americans + 3 non-All-Americans on defense, a WR core that lost 5 of their top 6 from last year, as well as RB #2, HB #1, TE #1.........QB #3 (only 3 QB's in the entire program) is playing as TE #1 (meaning they have no TE), plus no punting or kicking game.................King's has zero excuses, literally zero.

This is the year for a few teams to knock off the Aggies given what they bring back next year, a few critical returnees ineligible this Fall and reloading with freshmen and transfers knowing what they need in 2024 and beyond.

Quite honestly, this is as ready for the taking that I've seen them in many years. Not only King's.............but Stevenson, Widener, FDU (at FDU), Leb Valley also have zero excuses not to knock off DelVal in what looks like an off year for the traditional MAC power.

The King's players are chirping already. Never a good thing, but this might just be their one, best shot!

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After all of the losses from 2022 mentioned above, the Aggies lost who might have been an All-East Region RB (Jay White) in Game 4, their first team All-Conference LT (Justin Roman) in Game 6 in addition to some depth pieces, to an already young and very thin roster. There were very few seniors walking on Senior Day and half of those sound like they are coming back. 5 of them have 2 seasons of eligibility remaining.

When you mentioned that Union is very senior laden, that was the final straw for me as the Aggies are the polar opposite (except at LB). The Aggies have a poor pass game and the run game would have been insane had White not gotten hurt and he was part of a two headed monster with Jack Fallon (bench presses 485 and looks it........a short Mike Alstadt). You can put 8 in the box and blow that up. Also, you can throw against the Aggies all day long. It is the weakest secondary (Safeties and CB's) in their 20 year run.

This was the year for the senior laden MAC teams to end this run. The Aggies bring back the motherlode next year, including their top 2 WR's from 2021 & 2022, who sat it out this year. Jay White will be back at RB with Fallon. The OL graduates just 1 and the weight room coach is fanatical. The staff knows what they need in the offseason, for 2024 and beyond, and will get there with key freshmen and impact transfers.

I would be stunned if Union doesn't win this by 17-21 points. This was a bonus year for DelVal. They got the 6th consecutive undefeated MAC Championship and took the conference winning streak to 53. I can see them taking it to 62 at the end of next season if everybody is back healthy and coach fills in some holes from the inside and outside.

The success (conference) this year stunned many on the inside given the 4th and 5th year players at key positions at a few of the other MAC schools (and the Aggies barely survived against 2 of them) and at this point, there is a real "house money" feel to this season. A complete opposite from the 2022 season.

I was going to go Union 31-13 but since the Aggies have only 1 FG all season..........I'll go........wait a minute, the missed extra point still makes it 31-13.

The recruiting is in full force for 2024 and they'll have a ton of them at Saturday's game. A thrashing won't diminish anything as the coaches have been honest about this season with the recruits and the better one's see the opportunity to plug some holes and start for 3-4 years.

But let's be honest.................we're all waiting for the inevitable Mount Union vs. North Central (although they got the shaft) championship rematch anyway!! :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2023, 03:13:53 PM
PBR - You had me waxing nostalgic about board action from the past (and I do remember dlip). The Aggies conference dominance has chased everybody away from here. Simba was all over the board when Lycoming was decent. Bman was a Widener regular. Bill from FDU. A few of the Wilkes guys (Colonel John). Even a few Wesley guys (who lived in the PA suburbs) like Wesleydad were semi-regulars. They are all gone. It's pretty much down to me and kate........with a splash of PBR.

I can't do the NESCAC board. There is only so much "SAT score" and "my son is at Goldman Sachs" conversation that I can take..........on a football board. Besides, many of the top clients in my book of business slummed it at PA State Schools so that stuff has always rung a bit hollow to me. I love foxhole guys........not those who can figure out a way to avoid that at all costs. Collars NEVER were meant to be worn up and lobsters should never be on shorts worn by grown men!! :)

I miss the good old days. With what is going on in the world (and being a man of faith), I'm glad to be on the back nine. :)
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: Ice Bear on November 16, 2023, 09:07:20 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2023, 03:03:54 PM
This is from a September post before the game with King's College:

Given how veteran of a team that Kings is vs. a DelVal team that lost 4 All-Americans + 3 non-All-Americans on defense, a WR core that lost 5 of their top 6 from last year, as well as RB #2, HB #1, TE #1.........QB #3 (only 3 QB's in the entire program) is playing as TE #1 (meaning they have no TE), plus no punting or kicking game.................King's has zero excuses, literally zero.

This is the year for a few teams to knock off the Aggies given what they bring back next year, a few critical returnees ineligible this Fall and reloading with freshmen and transfers knowing what they need in 2024 and beyond.

Quite honestly, this is as ready for the taking that I've seen them in many years. Not only King's.............but Stevenson, Widener, FDU (at FDU), Leb Valley also have zero excuses not to knock off DelVal in what looks like an off year for the traditional MAC power.

The King's players are chirping already. Never a good thing, but this might just be their one, best shot!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

After all of the losses from 2022 mentioned above, the Aggies lost who might have been an All-East Region RB (Jay White) in Game 4, their first team All-Conference LT (Justin Roman) in Game 6 in addition to some depth pieces, to an already young and very thin roster. There were very few seniors walking on Senior Day and half of those sound like they are coming back. 5 of them have 2 seasons of eligibility remaining.

When you mentioned that Union is very senior laden, that was the final straw for me as the Aggies are the polar opposite (except at LB). The Aggies have a poor pass game and the run game would have been insane had White not gotten hurt and he was part of a two headed monster with Jack Fallon (bench presses 485 and looks it........a short Mike Alstadt). You can put 8 in the box and blow that up. Also, you can throw against the Aggies all day long. It is the weakest secondary (Safeties and CB's) in their 20 year run.

This was the year for the senior laden MAC teams to end this run. The Aggies bring back the motherlode next year, including their top 2 WR's from 2021 & 2022, who sat it out this year. Jay White will be back at RB with Fallon. The OL graduates just 1 and the weight room coach is fanatical. The staff knows what they need in the offseason, for 2024 and beyond, and will get there with key freshmen and impact transfers.

I would be stunned if Union doesn't win this by 17-21 points. This was a bonus year for DelVal. They got the 6th consecutive undefeated MAC Championship and took the conference winning streak to 53. I can see them taking it to 62 at the end of next season if everybody is back healthy and coach fills in some holes from the inside and outside.

The success (conference) this year stunned many on the inside given the 4th and 5th year players at key positions at a few of the other MAC schools (and the Aggies barely survived against 2 of them) and at this point, there is a real "house money" feel to this season. A complete opposite from the 2022 season.

I was going to go Union 31-13 but since the Aggies have only 1 FG all season..........I'll go........wait a minute, the missed extra point still makes it 31-13.

The recruiting is in full force for 2024 and they'll have a ton of them at Saturday's game. A thrashing won't diminish anything as the coaches have been honest about this season with the recruits and the better one's see the opportunity to plug some holes and start for 3-4 years.

But let's be honest.................we're all waiting for the inevitable Mount Union vs. North Central (although they got the shaft) championship rematch anyway!! :)

Thank you very much for this insight jm! I really do appreciate it. +k
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: PBR... on November 16, 2023, 07:34:15 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2023, 03:13:53 PM
PBR - You had me waxing nostalgic about board action from the past (and I do remember dlip). The Aggies conference dominance has chased everybody away from here. Simba was all over the board when Lycoming was decent. Bman was a Widener regular. Bill from FDU. A few of the Wilkes guys (Colonel John). Even a few Wesley guys (who lived in the PA suburbs) like Wesleydad were semi-regulars. They are all gone. It's pretty much down to me and kate........with a splash of PBR.

I can't do the NESCAC board. There is only so much "SAT score" and "my son is at Goldman Sachs" conversation that I can take..........on a football board. Besides, many of the top clients in my book of business slummed it at PA State Schools so that stuff has always rung a bit hollow to me. I love foxhole guys........not those who can figure out a way to avoid that at all costs. Collars NEVER were meant to be worn up and lobsters should never be on shorts worn by grown men!! :)

I miss the good old days. With what is going on in the world (and being a man of faith), I'm glad to be on the back nine. :)

Was fun times back in the day. All sorts of discussions. Lots of DVU/Rowan, DVU/Lyco, DVU/Widener add in LL peeps with RPI/Union for da shoes....
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 17, 2023, 02:57:47 PM
The Absolute Very Best of Luck tomorrow, Aggies in your game with Union - we'll be glued to the laptop!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 17, 2023, 03:06:22 PM
JM

Yep...I still lurk, but not much reason to post anymore. My dad retired as AD a few years back...and I have been in New England for 8 years now. I coach at the HS level up here, and do pay attention to the D3 ball up here - which is no where near as strong as the MAC/Centennial was.

Of course, I leave the NESCAC out of this claim...but since they only play each other, it's impossible to compare. I do know that if they WANTED to, a few NESCAC teams would be in the title hint every year...like they do in every other sport!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 17, 2023, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: bill on November 17, 2023, 03:06:22 PM
JM

Yep...I still lurk, but not much reason to post anymore. My dad retired as AD a few years back...and I have been in New England for 8 years now. I coach at the HS level up here, and do pay attention to the D3 ball up here - which is no where near as strong as the MAC/Centennial was.

Of course, I leave the NESCAC out of this claim...but since they only play each other, it's impossible to compare. I do know that if they WANTED to, a few NESCAC teams would be in the title hint every year...like they do in every other sport!

Hey Bill! Are you in MA by any chance? I just had a buddy who moved up to Southern New Hampshire. Do you really think this year's Trinity or Middlebury football team would beat Mount Union or North Central? That's a tall order but you might be right. If Johns Hopkins, CMU and a couple dozen other schools can get involved in the NCAA Playoffs, there is zero excuse for the NESCAC. Maybe it changes someday.

Tough to see what has happened to the FDU Women's Hoops program over the last few years. I saw that he is no longer the coach up at St. Peter's. I wonder where he is now?
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: bill on November 17, 2023, 07:16:46 PM
JM,
I'm in RI. I haven't seen any of the NESCAC teams this year...but what I meant to say was if they put their resources behind "wanting to win", they would be competitive. There is no excuse for the NESCAC, just like there is no excuse for the Ivy's.

The FDU program did go in the tank...I've heard rumblings about how tough the school made it on the athletic department since my father retired. Heck, you know your department is in trouble when you leave (as the last AD did) to take a job at a high school!!!

Coach Marc left St. Peters...there must be a story there because they were starting to turn things around. I have not talked to him, but he is at University of Indianapolis - a Division II school.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 18, 2023, 02:35:52 PM
Congratulations to Union!   A hard-fought game for Del Val!   We lost 24 to 16 and it was closer than many of the D3 guru's predicted.   Good luck to Union next Saturday as they take on Johns Hopkins!   All of us Aggie fans will eagerly anticipate a fantastic winning season in 2024!   Thanks to the Seniors for some incredible memories and Best of luck in your futures whether or not it involves football or sports in general!   AGGIES!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: kate on November 18, 2023, 02:57:54 PM
Sorry for the double post here, but a huge thank you to our Aggie announcer, Gordon Mann!   Another outstanding call of the game!

Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2023, 03:16:27 PM
I said it as the season started and I'll say it now that it's over...............losing 4 All-American's (one, the DPOY) plus 3 other defensive players from last year's national quarterfinal team, in addition to RB #2, HB #1, 5 out of their 6 top WR's, 3 out of 5 on the OL, TE #1 & #2 (QB #3 played TE #1 this year)........and then during the season losing RB #1 (possible All-Region, Jay White) and their best OL, All-Conference LT, Justin Roman, was way too much for an already thin roster.

There were a few very senior laden MAC teams that should have picked DelVal off and blew their chance. Next year will be more difficult to do so as DelVal returns 10 of 11 offensive starters, but more importantly, gets back RB #1A (Jay White) to form a two headed monster with RB #1B (Jack Fallon), All-Conference LT, Justin Roman and their top two WR's from 2022 and 2021, who sat out this season. The defense returns 7 starters, including the top 7 on the DL. Only 7 players in the program have exhausted all of their eligibility as of the end of this season.

The coaches know what they need in terms of the incoming freshmen and a few impact transfers. Depth is also decent in the program in the position or two that need it for 2024.

Thanks for a great season. I truly did not see it coming, especially with the reports coming out of camp and the key injuries at the halfway point. The conference is always the most important goal (there are only a small handful of teams who can truly win a natty each year........I'll take North Central and Mount Union.......anyone else can have the field) and you did it, wounded and not the typical DelVal team, for a 6th straight year.

Enjoy the turkey, come back for the 3 mornings per week workouts right after Thanksgiving, and work to grab that 7th straight undefeated conference championship and run the undefeated conference streak to 62.

Thanks for a great season..........now it's off to wrestling where Coach Taylor is well on his way to rebuilding the Aggies into the national power they were for almost 30 years before the train fell off the tracks for 5-6 years!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2023, 03:21:55 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 16, 2023, 09:07:20 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2023, 03:03:54 PM
This is from a September post before the game with King's College:

Given how veteran of a team that Kings is vs. a DelVal team that lost 4 All-Americans + 3 non-All-Americans on defense, a WR core that lost 5 of their top 6 from last year, as well as RB #2, HB #1, TE #1.........QB #3 (only 3 QB's in the entire program) is playing as TE #1 (meaning they have no TE), plus no punting or kicking game.................King's has zero excuses, literally zero.

This is the year for a few teams to knock off the Aggies given what they bring back next year, a few critical returnees ineligible this Fall and reloading with freshmen and transfers knowing what they need in 2024 and beyond.

Quite honestly, this is as ready for the taking that I've seen them in many years. Not only King's.............but Stevenson, Widener, FDU (at FDU), Leb Valley also have zero excuses not to knock off DelVal in what looks like an off year for the traditional MAC power.

The King's players are chirping already. Never a good thing, but this might just be their one, best shot!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

After all of the losses from 2022 mentioned above, the Aggies lost who might have been an All-East Region RB (Jay White) in Game 4, their first team All-Conference LT (Justin Roman) in Game 6 in addition to some depth pieces, to an already young and very thin roster. There were very few seniors walking on Senior Day and half of those sound like they are coming back. 5 of them have 2 seasons of eligibility remaining.

When you mentioned that Union is very senior laden, that was the final straw for me as the Aggies are the polar opposite (except at LB). The Aggies have a poor pass game and the run game would have been insane had White not gotten hurt and he was part of a two headed monster with Jack Fallon (bench presses 485 and looks it........a short Mike Alstadt). You can put 8 in the box and blow that up. Also, you can throw against the Aggies all day long. It is the weakest secondary (Safeties and CB's) in their 20 year run.

This was the year for the senior laden MAC teams to end this run. The Aggies bring back the motherlode next year, including their top 2 WR's from 2021 & 2022, who sat it out this year. Jay White will be back at RB with Fallon. The OL graduates just 1 and the weight room coach is fanatical. The staff knows what they need in the offseason, for 2024 and beyond, and will get there with key freshmen and impact transfers.

I would be stunned if Union doesn't win this by 17-21 points. This was a bonus year for DelVal. They got the 6th consecutive undefeated MAC Championship and took the conference winning streak to 53. I can see them taking it to 62 at the end of next season if everybody is back healthy and coach fills in some holes from the inside and outside.

The success (conference) this year stunned many on the inside given the 4th and 5th year players at key positions at a few of the other MAC schools (and the Aggies barely survived against 2 of them) and at this point, there is a real "house money" feel to this season. A complete opposite from the 2022 season.

I was going to go Union 31-13 but since the Aggies have only 1 FG all season..........I'll go........wait a minute, the missed extra point still makes it 31-13.

The recruiting is in full force for 2024 and they'll have a ton of them at Saturday's game. A thrashing won't diminish anything as the coaches have been honest about this season with the recruits and the better one's see the opportunity to plug some holes and start for 3-4 years.

But let's be honest.................we're all waiting for the inevitable Mount Union vs. North Central (although they got the shaft) championship rematch anyway!! :)

Thank you very much for this insight jm! I really do appreciate it. +k

No problem Ice!! In reading my comments a few times, I think I nailed it pretty decently (including the high school game analysis........and my beloved, quaint, Doylestown, which I hope some Union faithful got to/will get to enjoy). The Aggies were not only depleted from last year's national quarterfinal team but were both young and very flawed. Good luck against Hopkins. They are very beatable and like DelVal last year, not a super formidable #1 seed like a Mount Union or North Central.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: unionpalooza on November 18, 2023, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2023, 03:21:55 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 16, 2023, 09:07:20 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2023, 03:03:54 PM
This is from a September post before the game with King's College:

Given how veteran of a team that Kings is vs. a DelVal team that lost 4 All-Americans + 3 non-All-Americans on defense, a WR core that lost 5 of their top 6 from last year, as well as RB #2, HB #1, TE #1.........QB #3 (only 3 QB's in the entire program) is playing as TE #1 (meaning they have no TE), plus no punting or kicking game.................King's has zero excuses, literally zero.

This is the year for a few teams to knock off the Aggies given what they bring back next year, a few critical returnees ineligible this Fall and reloading with freshmen and transfers knowing what they need in 2024 and beyond.

Quite honestly, this is as ready for the taking that I've seen them in many years. Not only King's.............but Stevenson, Widener, FDU (at FDU), Leb Valley also have zero excuses not to knock off DelVal in what looks like an off year for the traditional MAC power.

The King's players are chirping already. Never a good thing, but this might just be their one, best shot!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

After all of the losses from 2022 mentioned above, the Aggies lost who might have been an All-East Region RB (Jay White) in Game 4, their first team All-Conference LT (Justin Roman) in Game 6 in addition to some depth pieces, to an already young and very thin roster. There were very few seniors walking on Senior Day and half of those sound like they are coming back. 5 of them have 2 seasons of eligibility remaining.

When you mentioned that Union is very senior laden, that was the final straw for me as the Aggies are the polar opposite (except at LB). The Aggies have a poor pass game and the run game would have been insane had White not gotten hurt and he was part of a two headed monster with Jack Fallon (bench presses 485 and looks it........a short Mike Alstadt). You can put 8 in the box and blow that up. Also, you can throw against the Aggies all day long. It is the weakest secondary (Safeties and CB's) in their 20 year run.

This was the year for the senior laden MAC teams to end this run. The Aggies bring back the motherlode next year, including their top 2 WR's from 2021 & 2022, who sat it out this year. Jay White will be back at RB with Fallon. The OL graduates just 1 and the weight room coach is fanatical. The staff knows what they need in the offseason, for 2024 and beyond, and will get there with key freshmen and impact transfers.

I would be stunned if Union doesn't win this by 17-21 points. This was a bonus year for DelVal. They got the 6th consecutive undefeated MAC Championship and took the conference winning streak to 53. I can see them taking it to 62 at the end of next season if everybody is back healthy and coach fills in some holes from the inside and outside.

The success (conference) this year stunned many on the inside given the 4th and 5th year players at key positions at a few of the other MAC schools (and the Aggies barely survived against 2 of them) and at this point, there is a real "house money" feel to this season. A complete opposite from the 2022 season.

I was going to go Union 31-13 but since the Aggies have only 1 FG all season..........I'll go........wait a minute, the missed extra point still makes it 31-13.

The recruiting is in full force for 2024 and they'll have a ton of them at Saturday's game. A thrashing won't diminish anything as the coaches have been honest about this season with the recruits and the better one's see the opportunity to plug some holes and start for 3-4 years.

But let's be honest.................we're all waiting for the inevitable Mount Union vs. North Central (although they got the shaft) championship rematch anyway!! :)

Thank you very much for this insight jm! I really do appreciate it. +k

No problem Ice!! In reading my comments a few times, I think I nailed it pretty decently (including the high school game analysis........and my beloved, quaint, Doylestown, which I hope some Union faithful got to/will get to enjoy). The Aggies were not only depleted from last year's national quarterfinal team but were both young and very flawed. Good luck against Hopkins. They are very beatable and like DelVal last year, not a super formidable #1 seed like a Mount Union or North Central.

jmcozen, many thanks for your DVU and Doylestown previews, and I think you've had a precise bead on your Aggies from the preseason; they looked just as you described.  I think they are going to be formidable in the next few years as they get experience and fill a few holes.  I loved the area and the campus - just a great, friendly place.

I was hoping my Dutchmen would have turned over the ball less often and scored a few more points to save my fourth quarter nerves.  They'll need to clean that up if they want to take down Hopkins next weekend.   
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2023, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: unionpalooza on November 18, 2023, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2023, 03:21:55 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 16, 2023, 09:07:20 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2023, 03:03:54 PM
This is from a September post before the game with King's College:

Given how veteran of a team that Kings is vs. a DelVal team that lost 4 All-Americans + 3 non-All-Americans on defense, a WR core that lost 5 of their top 6 from last year, as well as RB #2, HB #1, TE #1.........QB #3 (only 3 QB's in the entire program) is playing as TE #1 (meaning they have no TE), plus no punting or kicking game.................King's has zero excuses, literally zero.

This is the year for a few teams to knock off the Aggies given what they bring back next year, a few critical returnees ineligible this Fall and reloading with freshmen and transfers knowing what they need in 2024 and beyond.

Quite honestly, this is as ready for the taking that I've seen them in many years. Not only King's.............but Stevenson, Widener, FDU (at FDU), Leb Valley also have zero excuses not to knock off DelVal in what looks like an off year for the traditional MAC power.

The King's players are chirping already. Never a good thing, but this might just be their one, best shot!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

After all of the losses from 2022 mentioned above, the Aggies lost who might have been an All-East Region RB (Jay White) in Game 4, their first team All-Conference LT (Justin Roman) in Game 6 in addition to some depth pieces, to an already young and very thin roster. There were very few seniors walking on Senior Day and half of those sound like they are coming back. 5 of them have 2 seasons of eligibility remaining.

When you mentioned that Union is very senior laden, that was the final straw for me as the Aggies are the polar opposite (except at LB). The Aggies have a poor pass game and the run game would have been insane had White not gotten hurt and he was part of a two headed monster with Jack Fallon (bench presses 485 and looks it........a short Mike Alstadt). You can put 8 in the box and blow that up. Also, you can throw against the Aggies all day long. It is the weakest secondary (Safeties and CB's) in their 20 year run.

This was the year for the senior laden MAC teams to end this run. The Aggies bring back the motherlode next year, including their top 2 WR's from 2021 & 2022, who sat it out this year. Jay White will be back at RB with Fallon. The OL graduates just 1 and the weight room coach is fanatical. The staff knows what they need in the offseason, for 2024 and beyond, and will get there with key freshmen and impact transfers.

I would be stunned if Union doesn't win this by 17-21 points. This was a bonus year for DelVal. They got the 6th consecutive undefeated MAC Championship and took the conference winning streak to 53. I can see them taking it to 62 at the end of next season if everybody is back healthy and coach fills in some holes from the inside and outside.

The success (conference) this year stunned many on the inside given the 4th and 5th year players at key positions at a few of the other MAC schools (and the Aggies barely survived against 2 of them) and at this point, there is a real "house money" feel to this season. A complete opposite from the 2022 season.

I was going to go Union 31-13 but since the Aggies have only 1 FG all season..........I'll go........wait a minute, the missed extra point still makes it 31-13.

The recruiting is in full force for 2024 and they'll have a ton of them at Saturday's game. A thrashing won't diminish anything as the coaches have been honest about this season with the recruits and the better one's see the opportunity to plug some holes and start for 3-4 years.

But let's be honest.................we're all waiting for the inevitable Mount Union vs. North Central (although they got the shaft) championship rematch anyway!! :)

Thank you very much for this insight jm! I really do appreciate it. +k

No problem Ice!! In reading my comments a few times, I think I nailed it pretty decently (including the high school game analysis........and my beloved, quaint, Doylestown, which I hope some Union faithful got to/will get to enjoy). The Aggies were not only depleted from last year's national quarterfinal team but were both young and very flawed. Good luck against Hopkins. They are very beatable and like DelVal last year, not a super formidable #1 seed like a Mount Union or North Central.

jmcozen, many thanks for your DVU and Doylestown previews, and I think you've had a precise bead on your Aggies from the preseason; they looked just as you described.  I think they are going to be formidable in the next few years as they get experience and fill a few holes.  I loved the area and the campus - just a great, friendly place.

I was hoping my Dutchmen would have turned over the ball less often and scored a few more points to save my fourth quarter nerves.  They'll need to clean that up if they want to take down Hopkins next weekend.

You are quite welcome UP!! I'm glad you enjoyed the area. I'm actually a Swarthmore alum (undergrad) who adopted DelVal when I moved to and decided to settle in Doylestown (and when the uber libs screamed until Swarthmore dropped their football program........it still pains me).

Best of luck next week against Hopkins. If you can cut out the turnovers, I think that you will be in the game.

Quick question though for you. I was a bit surprised that DelVal had decent success in the running game with Union knowing the DelVal had no passing game. Were you at all surprised? I know that Union was big, veteran and tough to run against all year. Our little (height, not muscles) Mike Alstadt will be joined again by our RB #1 next season (goes about 215-220 and is very fast) to form a thunder and lightning pairing. Our QB is a heck or a runner as well........losing 5 of the 6 top WR's (2 of them were last minute decisions, money) hurt him as well as erratic play!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: unionpalooza on November 20, 2023, 09:10:57 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2023, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: unionpalooza on November 18, 2023, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 18, 2023, 03:21:55 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 16, 2023, 09:07:20 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on November 15, 2023, 03:03:54 PM
This is from a September post before the game with King's College:

Given how veteran of a team that Kings is vs. a DelVal team that lost 4 All-Americans + 3 non-All-Americans on defense, a WR core that lost 5 of their top 6 from last year, as well as RB #2, HB #1, TE #1.........QB #3 (only 3 QB's in the entire program) is playing as TE #1 (meaning they have no TE), plus no punting or kicking game.................King's has zero excuses, literally zero.

This is the year for a few teams to knock off the Aggies given what they bring back next year, a few critical returnees ineligible this Fall and reloading with freshmen and transfers knowing what they need in 2024 and beyond.

Quite honestly, this is as ready for the taking that I've seen them in many years. Not only King's.............but Stevenson, Widener, FDU (at FDU), Leb Valley also have zero excuses not to knock off DelVal in what looks like an off year for the traditional MAC power.

The King's players are chirping already. Never a good thing, but this might just be their one, best shot!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

After all of the losses from 2022 mentioned above, the Aggies lost who might have been an All-East Region RB (Jay White) in Game 4, their first team All-Conference LT (Justin Roman) in Game 6 in addition to some depth pieces, to an already young and very thin roster. There were very few seniors walking on Senior Day and half of those sound like they are coming back. 5 of them have 2 seasons of eligibility remaining.

When you mentioned that Union is very senior laden, that was the final straw for me as the Aggies are the polar opposite (except at LB). The Aggies have a poor pass game and the run game would have been insane had White not gotten hurt and he was part of a two headed monster with Jack Fallon (bench presses 485 and looks it........a short Mike Alstadt). You can put 8 in the box and blow that up. Also, you can throw against the Aggies all day long. It is the weakest secondary (Safeties and CB's) in their 20 year run.

This was the year for the senior laden MAC teams to end this run. The Aggies bring back the motherlode next year, including their top 2 WR's from 2021 & 2022, who sat it out this year. Jay White will be back at RB with Fallon. The OL graduates just 1 and the weight room coach is fanatical. The staff knows what they need in the offseason, for 2024 and beyond, and will get there with key freshmen and impact transfers.

I would be stunned if Union doesn't win this by 17-21 points. This was a bonus year for DelVal. They got the 6th consecutive undefeated MAC Championship and took the conference winning streak to 53. I can see them taking it to 62 at the end of next season if everybody is back healthy and coach fills in some holes from the inside and outside.

The success (conference) this year stunned many on the inside given the 4th and 5th year players at key positions at a few of the other MAC schools (and the Aggies barely survived against 2 of them) and at this point, there is a real "house money" feel to this season. A complete opposite from the 2022 season.

I was going to go Union 31-13 but since the Aggies have only 1 FG all season..........I'll go........wait a minute, the missed extra point still makes it 31-13.

The recruiting is in full force for 2024 and they'll have a ton of them at Saturday's game. A thrashing won't diminish anything as the coaches have been honest about this season with the recruits and the better one's see the opportunity to plug some holes and start for 3-4 years.

But let's be honest.................we're all waiting for the inevitable Mount Union vs. North Central (although they got the shaft) championship rematch anyway!! :)

Thank you very much for this insight jm! I really do appreciate it. +k

No problem Ice!! In reading my comments a few times, I think I nailed it pretty decently (including the high school game analysis........and my beloved, quaint, Doylestown, which I hope some Union faithful got to/will get to enjoy). The Aggies were not only depleted from last year's national quarterfinal team but were both young and very flawed. Good luck against Hopkins. They are very beatable and like DelVal last year, not a super formidable #1 seed like a Mount Union or North Central.

jmcozen, many thanks for your DVU and Doylestown previews, and I think you've had a precise bead on your Aggies from the preseason; they looked just as you described.  I think they are going to be formidable in the next few years as they get experience and fill a few holes.  I loved the area and the campus - just a great, friendly place.

I was hoping my Dutchmen would have turned over the ball less often and scored a few more points to save my fourth quarter nerves.  They'll need to clean that up if they want to take down Hopkins next weekend.

You are quite welcome UP!! I'm glad you enjoyed the area. I'm actually a Swarthmore alum (undergrad) who adopted DelVal when I moved to and decided to settle in Doylestown (and when the uber libs screamed until Swarthmore dropped their football program........it still pains me).

Best of luck next week against Hopkins. If you can cut out the turnovers, I think that you will be in the game.

Quick question though for you. I was a bit surprised that DelVal had decent success in the running game with Union knowing the DelVal had no passing game. Were you at all surprised? I know that Union was big, veteran and tough to run against all year. Our little (height, not muscles) Mike Alstadt will be joined again by our RB #1 next season (goes about 215-220 and is very fast) to form a thunder and lightning pairing. Our QB is a heck or a runner as well........losing 5 of the 6 top WR's (2 of them were last minute decisions, money) hurt him as well as erratic play!!

jmc, I wasn't too surprised.  Union plays a very bend by don't break style of defense, and often will put only six guys in the box, trusting their front four to keep things in front of them, and taking pressure off the secondary where they've been susceptible to getting beat over the top.  That's how they played Saturday, and my sense is that the game plan was to avoid giving up big plays and trust that over the course of a drive, they could make enough plays to get off the field.  (Which they mostly did.)

I think if DVU has stuck with the run more, they probably would have adapted and put another guy in the box. I was frankly perplexed that DVU went five wide so often, which played into out D's hands by allowing to get pressure with four and get the QB out of the pocket where he wasn't very accurate; I think they would have been better off just pounding the ball.  I thought Barrios looked pretty good - a nifty runner, and he threw some good balls, too.   WR seemed to me like the weakest link (two dropped TDS), but I'm sure they'll fill those holes quickly.

All in all, a very weird game.  If Union had scored rather than turned over a few of those balls in the red zone, it would have been a very lopsided score.  On the other hand, given the way things went, if DVU doesn't drop those passes in the end zone and mis-coach the end of the first half, they absolutely could have won.

Speaking of, can we talk about the fake kneel down at the end of the first half?  I'm of two minds.  I mean, it was certainly clever (although it ultimately blew up in their face and cost them the game).  But it's also kind of a garbage play; typically defenses honor that formation and don't blow up the line of scrimmage.  People start running that kind of trick play and kids are going to get hurt on meaningless plays at the end of games.  Can't quite decide if I love it or hate it.
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 20, 2024, 10:54:04 AM
John Davis is resigning as head football coach at Misericordia, effective March 4.


https://athletics.misericordia.edu/news/2024/2/17/john-davis-stepping-down-as-misericordia-football-coach.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: jmcozenlaw on February 22, 2024, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: lefty2 on February 20, 2024, 10:54:04 AMJohn Davis is resigning as head football coach at Misericordia, effective March 4.


https://athletics.misericordia.edu/news/2024/2/17/john-davis-stepping-down-as-misericordia-football-coach.aspx


Lefty, I'm not sure that I've ever seen you post on the football side of things.........welcome to the 800 pound gorilla in the sports world........pro, college and high school. Baseball might be America's pastime, but football is it's true passion!!
Title: Re: FB: Middle Atlantic Conference
Post by: lefty2 on February 28, 2024, 08:37:10 PM

Tyler Cottle named interim head coach at Misericordia.

https://athletics.misericordia.edu/news/2024/2/28/mu-names-tyler-cottle-interim-head-football-coach.aspx